[07:08] <didrocks> good morning
[07:38] <amurray> seb128: hey thanks - yep updated gnome-shell and all is good font-wise now :)
[07:39] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:39] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[07:41] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, ça va?
[07:43] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ça va, et toi ?
[07:44] <mwhudson> oSoMoN: mostly done with rustc and cargo now
[07:44] <oSoMoN> bien
[07:47] <oSoMoN> mwhudson, excellent, thanks!
[08:26] <xnox> seb128:  well you managed without it https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/html/auto-gnome-desktop3.html
[08:26] <seb128> xnox, yes, we finished that transition yesterday, but thanks :)
[08:29] <xnox> it may have been there yesterday too, but not sure when
[08:40] <seb128> Laney, editing /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth and adding 'spinner' to currthemes should workaround your issue until it's properly resolved
[08:46] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[08:47] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[08:48] <didrocks> hey seb128, marcustomlinson
[08:51] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, didrocks, how are you today?
[08:51] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN didrocks seb128: doing alright thanks, you guys?
[08:52] <oSoMoN> yeah, doing good
[08:52] <didrocks> seb128: good, you?
[08:53] <seb128> marcustomlinson, we are doing mostly good, I think
[10:14] <ricotz> hello desktopers :)
[10:14] <ricotz> could someone re-try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/440.59-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>/+build/18788030
[10:16] <RikMills> done
[10:21] <ricotz> thx
[10:23] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[10:27] <seb128> oSoMoN, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/gnome/sources/tracker/2.3/tracker-2.3.2.tar.xz and http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/gnome/sources/tracker-miners/2.3/tracker-miners-2.3.2.tar.xz
[10:27] <seb128> oSoMoN, + https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker-miners/-/merge_requests/148.patch
[10:27] <seb128> oSoMoN, commited to https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker-miners/-/commits/tracker-miners-2.3 but not in the release
[10:31] <oSoMoN> ack
[10:31] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN, seb128
[10:35] <seb128> hey ricotz , how are you?
[10:39] <seb128> jibel, hey, could you test/promote the current daily iso to current?
[10:41] <jibel> seb128, sure
[10:41] <seb128> thx
[10:41] <seb128> jibel, the promotion is still blocked/failed due to utah/the python3 porting?
[10:49] <jibel> seb128, i'll have a look again
[10:49] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[10:50] <jibel> seb128, there is an error with bzr login now
[11:07] <tseliot> Laney, is there a wiki page or some kind of documentation I can read about that feature?
[11:11] <Laney> There are a couple of internal documents, I will share with you in PM
[12:50] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1865871 looks like one for you
[12:51] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: snapd-glib looks like it's a bit broken
[12:51] <kenvandine>  /usr/include/snapd-glib/snapd-glib/snapd-glib.h
[12:52] <kenvandine> and includedir is /usr/include
[12:52] <kenvandine> and cflags is ${includedir}/snapd-glib
[12:53] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, what version?
[12:53] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, that looks correct
[12:54] <kenvandine>  1.55-0ubuntu2
[12:54] <kenvandine> oh yeah
[12:54] <kenvandine> your right
[12:54] <kenvandine> my local build is failing to find the headers
[12:54] <robert_ancell> Include dir conventions are confusing :)
[12:55] <kenvandine> ../src/gs-snap-store-logout-dialog.c:16:10: fatal error: snapd-glib/snapd-glib.h: No such file or directory
[12:58] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, I'll have a look after the retrospective thing.
[13:05] <oSoMoN> seb128, https://launchpad.net/~osomon/+archive/ubuntu/nodejs-mozilla/+sourcepub/11037587/+listing-archive-extra
[14:03] <oSoMoN> jbicha, I'm updating gnome-menus in Ubuntu, and I'm trying to understand why debian/patches/70_ubuntu-directories.patch was dropped in https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/commit/?id=2639fa66bb7b75509b44270ba2fe5d4f1ce1578a , was it intentional? that patch is still mentioned in the latest ubuntu changelog entry
[14:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, the patch was renamed translate-Debian-directories.patch
[14:10] <oSoMoN> jbicha, nevermind, seb128 is right, I'll update the changelog entry
[14:10] <Laney> ♥
[14:45] <GunnarHj> Laney: The security team wonders about our glib2.0 SRUs, since an IBus security thing depends on them.
[14:45] <GunnarHj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1844853/comments/27
[14:45] <GunnarHj> Are you able to clarify the current status?
[14:51] <Laney> GunnarHj: I saw, and I retried the tests, but I was not expecting to have to own this tbh - I thought I was just helping you by sponsoring for you
[14:51] <Laney> except maybe eoan where there's a new upstream release too
[15:01] <GunnarHj> Laney: The problem is that I have neither the skill nor access to deal with those autopkgtest failures. As you know the changed packages build, which I confirmed via a PPA.
[15:09] <GunnarHj> Laney: I'll be happy to help resolve it, but in that case I need guidance about what to try.
[15:43] <oSoMoN> seb128, I figured out my problem with override_dh_auto_build-indep not being called
[15:44] <oSoMoN> I renamed override_dh_auto_build to override_dh_auto_build-arch, and that did the trick
[15:44] <oSoMoN> -indep is being ignored if there's a more general rule
[15:45] <oSoMoN> but of course it's being silently ignored, which makes it puzzling
[16:13] <ricotz> seb128, while you are at it ;P - any chance to get this into -proposed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/1863609
[16:14] <seb128> ricotz, I will have a look yes
[16:14] <ricotz> seb128, thx
[16:16] <ricotz> seb128, this failure might stand out, while it is an actual error in gnome-boxes -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/vala-sru-bionic/+sourcepub/11002802/+listing-archive-extra
[16:17] <seb128> ricotz, do you have a patch for it maybe? ;)
[16:17] <ricotz> it is upstream, but unlikely backported
[16:17] <seb128> k
[16:18] <ricotz> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/issues/431
[16:18] <gitbot> GNOME issue 431 in gnome-boxes "Fails to build with vala git" [Closed]
[16:27] <Trevinho> duflu: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cRXHr92Mfn/
[16:59] <Trevinho> duflu: 91eb84fa4eada6a51095db5c3ee3fee464ce4127


[17:25] <jasonlife> I'm testing Ubuntu 9.10 and it has upstart 0.6.3.    I'd like to disable jobs in /etc/init/, Is there any recommended way to do this?
[17:25] <jasonlife> Any doc or command?
[17:28] <mbiebl> jasonlife: there is currently no elegant, non-destructive way to do this
[17:28] <mbiebl> you can either remove the file
[17:29] <mbiebl> or comment out the "start on" lines
[17:29] <mbiebl> inside the jobs
[17:29] <Esmil> mv <job>.conf <job>.disabled works too
[17:29] <jasonlife> thanks guys..
[17:29] <mbiebl> or that
[17:32] <mbiebl> jasonlife: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/94065
[17:32] <mbiebl> fwiw
[17:34] <jasonlife> thanks
[18:39] <ion> Better comment out the start on line. If you delete it, it might reappear when upgrading.
[18:39] <ion> i think
[18:40] <mbiebl> ion: not with dpkg ;-)
[18:41] <ion> Ok, good to know.
[18:44] <mbiebl> ion: to reinstall missing conffiles you need dpkg's --force-confmiss option
[18:45] <ion> Alright


[09:18] <qswz> https://i.imgur.com/p8NR1WE.png apparently openbox wants to read my .bash_history with audacious music player
[09:18] <qswz> even when I do open with, select aother thing like leafpad and check 'set default', it stays like that
 Change the default "open with" settings
[11:36] <qswz> anyone any idea for my .bash_history?
[11:36] <qswz> did it think it's bach_piano_requiem_history?
[11:36] <qswz> uhh
[11:37] <qswz> how to clear file type app association


[12:20] <PaulW2U_> flocculant, bluesabre: re touchpad issue, adding 'Option "Tapping" "on"', logging out and back in again
[12:21] <PaulW2U_> enabled tap/double tap without installing -synaptics. Just need a way of enabling via GUI :)
[12:22] <PaulW2U_> oh, adding to libinput.conf of course.... :)
[12:24] <flocculant> PaulW2U_: thanks :)
[23:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: Got anything for src:xubuntu-artwork?
[23:17] <bluesabre> ?
[23:20] <Unit193> Oh hrm, was http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/zesty/revision/323 in zesty?  And I figured may as well do the first 17.10 upload to open things up, and make sure no 'This is artful but boot screen says 17.04', since uploads are free. :P
[23:23] <knome> :P
[23:25] <Unit193> I'd do the same for xubuntu-docs, but meh.
[23:26] <pleia2> knome: should we force ssl on the dev server, or just have it as an option?
[23:27] <knome> once it works, i don't see a reason why we wouldn't force it
[23:28] <pleia2> what value of "works"? ;) the certs will work, it's just a matter of whether they'll throw errors about insecure content on the page
[23:28] <knome> heh
[23:29] <knome> works as in no errors :P
[23:29] <pleia2> with letsencrypt it's crazy easy to install and force with one step, so I'm inclined to do that if we want to force
[23:29] <knome> sure, do that
[23:29] <pleia2> ok
[23:29] <knome> we'll just fix stuff as we go then
[23:29]  * pleia2 thumbs up
[23:34] <pleia2> done and hideous, oops
[23:36] <pleia2> docs and static are fine :D
[23:36] <pleia2> staging, idk, did it always have errors?
[23:36] <pleia2> dev is yucky
[23:36] <pleia2> wiki throws insecure errors we should fix
[23:37] <pleia2> contest same as wiki
[23:37] <pleia2> that's all of them
[23:37] <pleia2> aren't you glad I did this at 3AM knome time?
[23:38] <knome> very
[23:38] <Unit193> Yes! \o/
[23:42] <knome> staging is on WP_DEBUG, so maybe...
[23:43] <knome> dev should be fine now
[23:45] <pleia2> yay dev
[23:46] <knome> and wiki should be ok too
[23:47] <knome> ermm,
[23:47] <knome> i think i need to poke the wp databases
[23:47] <knome> le sigh
[23:52] <knome> ok, staging and contest should be fine
[23:53] <knome> pleia2, anything else you see breaking, poke
[23:54] <knome> off to hang around a bit before going to bed
[23:54] <knome> nighty!
[23:57] <pleia2> ty <3 good night


[16:33] <kisak> good day, I noticed there was a packages.ubuntu.com snafu over the weekend (all search results were empty). This is now fixed, but it looks like the artful packages were re-added which contradicts "2018-08-11 Remove artful." in the news section
[16:37] <kisak> might not actually be an issue, just figured it was worth mentioning the discrepancy.


[03:44] <tjaalton> bryceh: yeah, and I kinda wanted to have a separate bug like the one mdeslaur filed, just for that. but it got duped again :)
[03:44] <tjaalton> sna would be one thing to try, even though it has backlight issues atm
[03:48] <tjaalton> looks like sna fixed thumpers bug
[03:48] <tjaalton> +'
[04:06] <bjsnider> tjaalton, i've just gotten into the finnish symphonic metal/black metal scene. i'm sure it's commonplace in finland, but it came as a complete surprise to me
[04:06] <bjsnider> i'm convinced that the best and most interesting music in the world is coming out of finland
[04:10] <tjaalton> bjsnider: hehe
[04:11] <tjaalton> yeah quite a few groups on that genre
[04:22] <bjsnider> and they're genuises, all of them
[06:12] <tjaalton> czajkowski: ping me when you're around, got something you could try
[06:39] <mlankhorst> morning
[06:40] <tjaalton> yawn
[06:40] <mlankhorst> precisely
[06:41] <mlankhorst> too early for fencing :(
[06:41] <tjaalton> bryceh: btw, I find the release targeted buglists (linked from totals-foo-workqueue) hugely useful
[06:41] <tjaalton> otherwise the bugs would get lost in the noise
[06:45] <mlankhorst> yeah they are
[06:46] <tjaalton> especially now as it lists incomplete bugs too
[06:46] <tjaalton> i think before they were excluded
[07:02] <bryceh> tjaalton, oh good to hear, yeah I use them a lot too
[07:02] <bryceh> there's two kinds of incomplete bugs:  "With response" and "Without response".  The list excludes the latter only.
[07:02] <tjaalton> ahh
[07:03] <bryceh> that way if you ask a question and someone answers it, it'll pop back up on your list
[07:03] <bryceh> but be aware if like I ask a Q and set to Incomplete, then you follow up with another question and leave it Incomplete, your comment will result in it turning into "With response"
[07:04] <bryceh> so, when adding questions to an incomplete bug, just set it to New, then ask your Q and set back to incomplete, and that'll keep it off this list.
[07:04] <tjaalton> heh, well that doesn't matter much, not much noise there anyway
[07:04] <tjaalton> yet
[07:05] <bryceh> tjaalton, did you see someone went through and tested a bunch of obscure video drivers and gave us bugs on each?
[07:05] <bryceh> well, 3-4 bugs.  still, cute.
[07:05] <tjaalton> bryceh: on quantal?
[07:05] <bryceh> yeah
[07:06] <tjaalton> oh, didn't notice it was the same guy
[07:08] <tjaalton> ../../src/trident_dga.c:40:13: warning: 'TRIDENT_Sync' used but never defined [enabled by default]
[07:36] <ricotz> bryceh, hi :)
[07:37] <bryceh> heya ricotz
[07:37] <ricotz> bryceh, i wondering if there is some policy to join the ubuntu-x-swat group?
[07:37] <ricotz> i am *
[07:37] <bryceh> ricotz, there's definitely a policy I enforce
[07:37] <bryceh> ricotz, but you definitely qualify.  :-)
[07:38] <ricotz> bryceh, i thought about to join, but wasnt sure if i qualify ;)
[07:38] <tjaalton> ha, ok both trident and mga failures are due to sloppy xaa removal work :)
[07:38] <ricotz> bryceh, but while i saw the latest joins i got confused a bit
[07:38] <bryceh> ricotz, you do, go ahead and apply and I'll approve you.  Thanks for asking first though, I appreciate it!
[07:38] <bryceh> tjaalton, heh
[07:39] <tjaalton> time to send patches then
[07:40] <ricotz> bryceh, done
[07:40] <bryceh> ricotz, yeah I admit the last couple approved members I felt marginal about their qualifications but they seemed interested.  I suspect they'll expire out.
[07:41] <ricotz> bryceh, i see, dont worry then
[07:43] <bryceh> I usually tell people what membership in ubuntu-x-swat implies (i.e. packaging work), and ask what they plan to use it for.  That seems sufficient to ward off most people who are just collecting badges or whatever.  The last couple people expressed interest in doing bug triage work.  We definitely need more triagers so I gave them the benefit of the doubt, and hope they do get involved.
[07:44] <ricotz> bryceh, that is perfectly fine
[07:46] <bryceh> ricotz, welcome to swat :-)
[07:46] <ricotz> bryceh, thanks, yeah a new badge ;P
[07:46] <tjaalton> now filter your email :)
[07:47] <ricotz> tjaalton, i am already spammed with all kind of things ;)
[08:23] <tjaalton> oh heh, we've uploaded -mga 1.6.1 as 1.6.0
[08:23] <tjaalton> by we I mean me
[08:23] <mlankhorst> the royal we
[08:23]  * mlankhorst testing vblank on patch
[08:36] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: hey, you were able to hang compiz like everyone else?
[08:36] <tjaalton> on suspend/screensaver
[08:37] <chrisccoulson> tjaalton, yeah, although i've set "Turn screen off when inactive" to "Never" in the control centre now, to avoid it :)
[08:38] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: understood :) was just wondering if you could try the newer acceleration method to verify it doesn't happen there
[08:38] <tjaalton> though it has issues of it's own, but not this severe
[08:38] <tjaalton> at least here
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> tjaalton, yeah, can do. although it'll need to wait a few minutes for some other stuff to finish first
[08:39] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: sure thing, you can check out the typo'ed xorg.conf from bug 1043562
[08:39] <mlankhorst> seems that my vblank patch works, even though that card has no output :x
[08:40] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: so comments #4 & 5
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> tjaalton, yeah, will do
[08:41] <tjaalton> it'll hit bug 1055987, but a simple vt change will remedy that
[08:49] <tjaalton> hmm, wonder if we should provide a build of -intel with --enable-debug
[08:50] <RAOF> Sounds like a job for xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg!
[08:51] <tjaalton> oh you mean build two versions and ship the other one with -dbg?
[08:51] <tjaalton> --enable-debug adds debugging output to the logfile
[08:53] <tjaalton> I was thinking more like putting the other one in a ppa :)
[10:01] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: had time to test yet? you can speed it up by changing the screen off timer to one minute, and then go through a couple of cycles
[10:02] <tjaalton> enough to make sure it would've hung before
[10:02] <tjaalton> and vt changes in between to wake the backlight :)
[10:04] <RAOF> tjaalton: I mean build two versions and ship the other one with -dbg, yes.
[10:07] <RAOF> You know what they say - built twice, ship once.
[10:10] <tjaalton> yeah, why not
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> tjaalton, i've got a job running over SSH at the moment. i need to wait for that to finish before i risk anything that might result in me needing to reboot :)
[10:44] <mlankhorst> guess I'll see if I can fix the quantal stack
[10:47] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: ok gotcha :)
[10:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, tjaalton: is that the blank screen after dpms issue?
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah
[10:47] <seb128> where is the fix to try?
[10:49] <tjaalton> seb128: trying if 'Option "Accelmethod" "sna"' works around it
[10:50] <tjaalton> it would at least narrow it down to the uxa code in the -intel driver..
[10:50] <tjaalton> heard positive results from it so far
[10:50] <seb128> tjaalton, you don't have a full xorg.conf I could copy by any chance?
[10:51] <tjaalton> seb128: hang on
[10:51] <tjaalton> seb128: can you reproduce it at will?
[10:51] <seb128> I tried to not run often into it, but I got it the only time I let my screen go to idle the other day
[10:51] <seb128> and I got it today when I undocked my laptop
[10:52] <tjaalton> ok, "good"
[10:52] <seb128> (though the undock could be another issue)
[10:53] <tjaalton> http://pastebin.com/nb6zhmcE
[10:58] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: can you upload xxv-nouveau to quantal-proposed? (I guess archive is still frozen)
[11:00] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: -proposed is reserved for transitions, we can upload to quantal and it'll reopen after the beta
[11:01] <mlankhorst> hm ok
[11:09] <mlankhorst> Yeah seems the dpkg-control script creates slightly broken packages
[11:10] <tjaalton> example?
[11:11] <mlankhorst> every line with Replaces/Breaks/Provides/Conflicts that has a package name on the same line ends up with those packages being eaten entirely
[11:12] <tjaalton> oh that
[11:14] <mlankhorst> now confirmed it with random packages, but need to have this solved :-)
[11:21]  * mlankhorst tries horrible hack
[11:51] <tjaalton> seb128: did you get the pastebin link?
[11:55] <seb128> tjaalton, yes, thanks, did restart yet though, I will try that in a bit
[11:55] <tjaalton> seb128: ok, good
[12:02] <tjaalton> ha, reproduced the hang on one of my machines
[12:02] <tjaalton> finally
[12:02] <tjaalton> but it took several cycles
[12:22] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson, seb128: I'll take it back, testing sna isn't worth it. I'll build a test kernel with the crack-of-the-day..
[12:22] <seb128> tjaalton, ok
[12:26]  * mlankhorst gives up on gpg key for now, creates new one
[12:38] <tjaalton> ok, building a drm-dkms package for quantal..
[13:07] <mlankhorst> uploading ppa5 with the packages fixed :)
[13:55] <mlankhorst> hopefully the issues I came across with the packages being borked day before the demo are gone now
[13:56] <tjaalton> cool
[13:56] <tjaalton> building ubuntu-r git + drm-intel-next-queued..
[13:56] <tjaalton> hoping to retain overlayfs so sbuild works
[13:57] <mlankhorst> Hah, you're building on dinq, I'm working on the code that eventually ends up there. :P
[13:58] <tjaalton> we'll see if it builds
[13:58] <mlankhorst> With intel qa, that's probably the only thing that works for sure
[13:58] <tjaalton> heh
[14:00] <tjaalton> gave up on the drm-dkms idea, not going to work
[14:00] <tjaalton> crazy changes
[14:00] <mlankhorst> hard to keep track of all, even..
[14:06] <tjaalton> yeah, and irreversible changes ouside of drm
[14:06] <tjaalton> well, not worth the effort anyway
[14:20] <mlankhorst> wow, new nouveau kernel source.. I just don't get it..
[14:23] <tjaalton> kernel buil
[14:23] <tjaalton> t
[14:24] <tjaalton> let's see if it works at all
[14:25] <tjaalton> nope :P
[14:26] <mlankhorst> so many spinlocks just called 'lock' with no clue what it protects
[14:26] <mlankhorst> which is fun if foo->lock exists and you also have a foo->base.lock
[14:52] <tjaalton> recorded the kernel oops with my phone, need to slow it down so I can see where it started :)
[14:54] <tjaalton> need more hurts
[14:54] <tjaalton> the machine is too fast
[14:58] <tjaalton> moo, why doesn't shift-pgup work
[15:04] <mlankhorst> no wonder things were failing, I made it act like work was still being done after it was already completed
[15:17] <mlankhorst> yay, working now \o/
[17:05] <om26er> hi, latest nvidia driver breaks autohide in unity we are getting reports
[17:05] <om26er> 304.51
[17:06] <om26er> bug 1057000
[18:21] <bjsnider> does the .51 driver still support the 7300gt?
[18:24] <bjsnider> i'd like to know if it happens on present-day hardware
[20:38] <mlankhorst> probably should
[20:39] <mlankhorst> hm it's a nv46
[20:39] <mlankhorst> not going to be supported in the next one at least
[20:51] <bryceh> RAOF, hey, for the nvidia experimental packages in NEW right now, since you're an archive admin are you empowered to wave them through?  Or can you handle only the SRU approval bit?
[20:53] <bryceh> I'd like to get the 304 packages all the way to the end of the process prior to a "real" beta driver appearing so we know all the t's are crossed and i's dotted.  But in general I wonder if we need to streamline some of the review policies...
[23:04] <RAOF> bryceh: I'm not a real archive admin ☹.
[23:07] <bryceh> RAOF, I've gotten infinity on -devel who is taking care of it.
[23:15] <bjsnider> RAOF is pretending to be an archive admin. actually he's a british spy under cover, and now he's admitted it
[23:52] <bryceh> RAOF, the experimental drivers are now in precise-proposed.  Quick question for you with your SRU approver hat on: Since we are expediting this package as per TB, how long will the drivers need to sit in -proposed?
[23:55] <RAOF> bryceh: I'm hunting the actual TB mail, but generally the answer would be ‘until it's been tested to work’ - we don't necessarily have to have the 7-day cooling off period.
[23:57] <bryceh> ok


[00:28] <ScottL> !packaging
[00:33] <ScottL> persia: a couple of points about celtx - the version in REVU apparently has appreciable changes to the source code that aren't documented in the change file
[00:33] <ScottL> i'd already started talking to the original packager about getting it into ubuntu but his hard drive had broken and wasn't available to help at that time
[00:34] <ScottL> the version in REVU is 2.0 and 2.7 is out (9 months old) but I realize that it's important to just get it accepted and then we can update it
[00:34] <persia> Um, no.
[00:35] <persia> Better to update it and then get it accepted.
[00:35] <persia> No new upstream versions after feature freeze.
[00:35] <persia> If we miss feature freeze, it would be good to work with Debian Multimedia to get it into Debian, and we'd sync next time.
[00:36] <ScottL> speaking of Debian Multimedia, that reminds me to send an email about Hydrogen 0.9.4
[00:39] <persia> :)
[00:42] <ScottL_> persia: i see that JACK in the main bug is "triaged"...what exactly does that mean?  someone has loooked at it?
[00:43] <persia> That person was me, but that wasn't the MIR bug.
[00:43] <persia> That's just an extra bug about jack-in-main.  We undrestand the issue very well, hence "triaged".
[00:46] <ScottL_> gotcha
[00:47] <ScottL_> if the proper course is to get the new version of celtx into ubuntu then I really doubt it will happen before the FF
[00:48] <ScottL_> unless someone really experienced looks at it...it's build on mozilla build
[00:49] <ScottL_> but as you suggested I can try talking to debian multimedia about it also
[00:50] <persia> That's probably the best path.  You might also look for help from the folks in #ubuntu-mozillateam, but they tend to be fairly busy.
[01:01] <persia> ScottL_: s/Ubuntu Developers/Ubuntu Studio Developers/ for next time :)
[01:06] <ScottL_> doh, yeah sorry, trying to get things done with kids interrupting me
[01:09] <persia> Heh.  Understood.  I just don't like to say "Ubuntu Developers want to do X" because it's rarely true that there is sufficient consensus for that to be the case :)
[01:09] <persia> OK.  All JACK bugs triaged except the crashes, and I don't feel like digging through those right now.  Maybe later in the cycle.
[01:10] <persia> With luck, having everything triaged will help demonstrate support for the MIR>
[01:10] <ScottL> wife is an RN and doesn't leave work until at least 7:30pm so I'm keeping up with kids, cooking dinner, helping with homework...keeps me moving around for several hours ;P
[01:10]  * persia has already poked one MIR person, and may poke another soon
[01:10] <persia> Exercise is good :)
[01:11] <ScottL> re; ubuntu developer, should I send another email to clarify or think most people won't even notice?
[01:11] <persia> I'd not send clarification unless someone asks.
[01:12] <ScottL> after my wife gets home tonight (if she doesn't do it too late) i'm going to spend an hour working on the copyright for zynjacku
[01:12] <persia> Cool.
[01:13] <ScottL> so working on bugs = fixing the problem, creating debdiff and then submitting patch to bug ?
[01:13] <persia> Sometimes.
[01:13] <persia> Sometimes it's just triage.
[01:13] <persia> Sometimes it's sending patches upstream.
[01:14] <persia> Depends on the nature of the issue, etc.
[01:18] <ScottL> after lucid is released I might try to do some bug work
[01:19] <ScottL> i figured to be successful (or actually helpful) took experience that I didn't have and decided that packaging was like working in a void (a good one) because noone was "depending" on me
[01:19] <persia> heh, and now you7re being depended upon for packaging :)
[01:20] <persia> But after Feature Freeze, most of the development work is bugwork, so I hope you'll help get the software in shape for release.
[01:20] <ScottL> well, yeah, but my own initiative did that ;P    i could have quitely worked on packages without committing
[01:20] <persia> Lots of bugs are already fixed, or have fixes submitted by the bug submitters.
[01:20] <persia> Or fixes available upstream.
[01:21] <persia> so it's sometimes just a matter of reading the bug, finding the patch, testing the patch, preparing a package including the patch, and getting it uploaded.
[01:21] <persia> actually writing patches happens sometimes, but don't let concern over writing patches block you from looking at bugs.
[01:24] <ScottL_> hydrogen:  not only did I email but I'm in #debian-multimedia (OFTC) channel also, if no response in a few days I'll try to contact Free or someone directly
[01:25] <persia> Makes sense.
[01:25] <persia> free used to hang out in this channel, but I suspect the lack of time got to him.
[01:27] <ScottL> it would be considerably awesome to establish a substantial and sustainable working relationship with them :)
[01:28] <ScottL> maybe even dividing up work if we get more or more able packagers
[01:29] <persia> No reason to do that.
[01:29] <persia> Instead of thinking of "group working with group", consider "people working as part of groups".
[01:29] <persia> So one person can be active in both areas.
[01:30] <persia> Except for the special packages needed for branding, etc., nearly all packaging should be done in Debian Multimedia.
[01:30] <persia> Well, there's some patches we need to carry because some bits are a little different, but those are really very minor.
[01:31] <persia> So, if you're interested in packaging and package maintenance, and interested in helping Studio, working in Debian Multimedia is a good way to do that.
[01:32] <ScottL_> i've considered also joining Debian Multimedia but thought I should gain more experience and knowledge first
[01:32] <persia> Sure.  No reason not to do that.
[01:33] <persia> I'm just saying that the model of having individuals working as members of multiple (often cooperative) teams tends to be easier than the model of individuals working exclusively within teams and building relationships between teams.
[01:33] <persia> Avoids most of the potential "us vs. them" distinctions.
[01:34] <ScottL_> well that certainly makes sense
[02:08] <persia> ScottL_: I'm having browser issues: neither of the browsers I typically use seems to be able to get a good patch from http://trac.jackaudio.org/changeset/3848 ; do you think you could extract one?
[02:08] <persia> If not, I'll go find someone else.
[02:10] <ScottL_> sure, i'll try
[02:11] <ScottL_> i see a changelog and a jackalsadriver.cpp file, which do you want? or both?
[02:13] <ScottL_> persia: i can also download the unified diff or a zip file
[02:14] <persia> unified diff please :)
[02:15] <ScottL_> can I use pastebin to get it to you? or how else?
[02:17] <persia> If you could attach it to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack-audio-connection-kit/+bug/494223 , it would be best.
[02:17] <persia> (that's the bug it fixes)
[02:18] <TheMuso> what patch are we trying to fetch?
[02:18] <persia> http://trac.jackaudio.org/changeset/3848
[02:18] <ScottL_> I wasn't able to download an actual file, but rather text (i fear this was the problem you were having)
[02:19] <ScottL_> well, text in the browser
[02:19] <persia> I want to read it.  It's *supposed* to handle resampling inside jack somehow.
[02:19] <persia> But I haven't read it yet, because I can7t load that page in my browsers.
[02:19] <TheMuso> oh
[02:20] <persia> ScottL_: If you got a bunch of text that claimed to be a unified diff, that's precisely what I'd prefer.
[02:20] <ScottL_> i have the text, how do you want it?
[02:22] <persia> attach it to the bug :)
[02:22] <persia> Or stick it in a pastebin, and I'll do that.
[02:23] <ScottL_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/374377/
[02:23] <persia> Thank you :)
[02:23] <ScottL_> sorry i wasn't quicker, two year old is being needy
[02:24] <persia> No worries.  You've made possible what was previously difficult.
[02:24] <ScottL_> i'll see how you attached it to the bug later as i'm guessing you are going to save the file as a patch and attach it but I don't know how you would name it
[02:25] <TheMuso> persia: If its not useful, I have an svn checkout of jack2 here and I can pull the diff right from it if thats easier/better/cleaner.
[02:25] <ScottL_> away for a bit with son
[02:25] <persia> TheMuso: The pastebin is very readable for me: I'm just trying to understand it.
[02:26] <persia> TheMuso: If you understand the code, it's the only bug against jack that has a potential solution indicated in LP that isn't fixed.
[02:26]  * persia was trying to trim the bug list to look nice for the MIR.
[02:27] <persia> TheMuso: I don't expect you'd have a lot of time for it for the next 4-5 hours at least, but let me know if you think it would be easy to review (as I've never before looked at the JACK code)
[02:28] <TheMuso> persia: I have never looked at jack code either, and no I'm busy for the next few hours.
[02:30] <TheMuso> Speaking of jack2, I was talking to Conor at the sprint about how we need to sort out package names with Debian. If I was to kick that discussion off, would people here be interested in participating?
[02:30] <persia> TheMuso: Ah, I thought you might have because of the checkout :)  No worries, I'll leave you to work, and see if I can use the patch to cause a noticeable behaviour change that makes things better.
[02:31] <TheMuso> persia: No I had it lying around for another reason, probably packaging related from some time back.
[02:31]  * persia doesn't really have enough background
[02:31] <persia> Were I trying to push jack2, I'd probably start by asking for free's opinion/
[02:32] <TheMuso> Agreed.
[02:32] <persia> pity we didn't catch him at UDS :(
[02:33] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[02:42] <persia> hansfbaier: Hey.
[02:42] <hansfbaier> persia: Yes?
[02:43] <persia> hansfbaier: Just hadn't seen your nick recently, but had been trying to get someone to review libprolooks1
[02:43] <hansfbaier> Ah, thanks.
[02:43] <hansfbaier> persia: ^
[02:44] <hansfbaier> persia: It probably would need a performance fix for the buttons, but I am pretty short of time ATM
[02:45] <persia> hansfbaier: No worries.  My hope is to just get it *in* Ubuntu for now.
[02:45] <persia> Once it's in, we can get more testers, and some bugs, and look at how to make it better.
[02:45] <persia> (and maybe then you'll have time again)
[02:45] <hansfbaier> persia: I hope I corrected all major packaging errors.... Yes, I know, the READMEs are a bit sparse....
[02:46] <hansfbaier> persia: My next big thing for libprolooks will be a patcher widget.
[02:46] <hansfbaier> persia: To make jackpanel be able to do patching also.
[02:47] <persia> something like patchage, but from the panel?
[02:47] <hansfbaier> persia: Yes, but it will be visually more like a real studio patchbay.
[02:47] <hansfbaier> With jacks and cables
[02:48] <hansfbaier> persia: Well like wiring real equipment together.
[02:48] <persia> Right.  I'll be curious to see it, although I'll admit to liking a sparse interface for lots of things :)
[02:49] <hansfbaier> persia: I hope I can make it simple and very usable though....
[02:50] <hansfbaier> persia: patchage looks nice, but isn't as useable as I'd like to have.
[02:50] <hansfbaier> persia: One of the main features is that it will group multiple channel connections from one device to another together and thus making
[02:51] <hansfbaier> persia: it visually much more tidy and informative
[02:51] <hansfbaier> persia: that would appear like a multicore cable
[02:51] <persia> tidiness sounds excellent.
[02:52] <persia> I worried that the graphics for the draped cables might obscure the jacks, but it sounds like you have a plan for that already.
[02:53] <hansfbaier> persia: both qjackctl and patchage look a bit messy with a lot of channels and connections.
[02:56] <persia> I can't use the qjackctl patchbay at all.  It gets too messy too quickly.
[02:57] <persia> With patchage, I can usually come up with a sane map, but it requires it's own virtual desktop.
[02:57] <persia> Something in the panel that appears and disappears is very appealing.
[03:18] <hansfbaier> persia: Yes, that's what I had i mind.
[07:07] <abogani> I'm on the outside, I'm looking in, I can see through you, See your true colors, Cause inside you're ugly, You're Ugly like me, I can see through you, See to the real you (Staind - Outside)
[10:48] <abogani> stochastic: Are you around?
[10:48] <stochastic> only for a few minutes
[10:49] <abogani> Ok so next time :-)
[10:51] <stochastic> why? complex issue?
[10:52] <abogani> stochastic: No issue at all
[10:52] <abogani> stochastic: I just discovered by chance that you are a processing user.
[10:52] <abogani> Processing
[10:52] <stochastic> sort of.
[10:53] <stochastic> I've done very little with the language, but have read up on it
[10:53] <abogani> Ah Ok. I supposed that you are interested on it.
[10:53] <abogani> more
[10:54] <stochastic> yeah, interactive art programming is kinda where I love to geek out the most
[10:55] <stochastic> ChucK is my favorite language right now.
[10:56] <abogani> Just curious (only because I'm an Arduino user).... ChucK's URL?
[10:56] <stochastic> http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu
[10:56]  * stochastic has yet to dive into Arduino...
[10:57] <stochastic> Anyways, I should probably be off to bed now. Big day tomorrow.
[10:57] <abogani> Ok! Ciao
[10:57] <abogani> Good night!
[10:58] <stochastic> night.
[17:03] <abogani> TheMuso: Are you around?
[17:04]  * abogani is stupid never remember the Luke's TZ! :-(
[17:05] <persia> 4:00 there
[17:06] <abogani> indeed
[17:19] <abogani> ScottL ScottL_ ScottL__: Please don't forget the email
[17:22] <abogani> No way Tim Gardner don't want release a i386 preempt kernel...
[17:28] <ScottL__> abogani: i am taking lunch from work in thirty minutes and was planning on replying to the email during that time :)
[17:30] <abogani> ScottL__: Ok sorry to bother you.
[17:34] <ScottL__> abogani:  it's okay, you're not bothering me :)
[17:37] <ScottL__> abogani:  and sorry that you had to use three of my names!  LOL
[18:25] <ScottL__> hmmm, was going to tell abogani that the email was sent, but it appears that he isn't here (which explains why auto-complete tab didn't work now or earlier)


[00:01] <DoctorTruth> the book I bought on Ubuntu has also been helpful as a reference tool
[00:01] <holstein> i bet
[00:01] <DoctorTruth> and of course helpful people in the community are good too.
[00:04] <DoctorTruth> hey I am looking at the link for scribus - which is the better - 32 or 64 bit?
[00:05] <DoctorTruth> it looks like a decent program
[00:05] <holstein> DoctorTruth: i think you can debate which is better all day
[00:05] <holstein> you need the one for your machine
[00:05] <holstein> i think its in the repos
[00:06] <DoctorTruth> alright - synaptics you mean
[00:08] <holstein> DoctorTruth: however you feel comfortable accessing the repositories
[00:08] <holstein> synaptic
[00:08] <holstein> software center
[00:08] <holstein> sudo apt-cache search scribus
[00:09] <DoctorTruth> ok - getting it to try out
[00:09] <holstein> it literally cant hurt ;)
[00:09] <holstein> i tried it for something
[00:09] <holstein> in windows
[00:09] <holstein> and it did the job
[00:10] <holstein> this was years ago
[00:10] <holstein> now-a-days, i would probably just do a blog
[00:10] <holstein> in the cloud or whatever
[00:10] <holstein> no backup necessary
[00:10] <holstein> easy to share/print
[00:10] <holstein> whatever
[00:11] <DoctorTruth> thanks for your time - oh now that I have you here. Do you know if I would be able to run a printer through wine. I was unable to find the drivers for it when I got ububntu a few months ago
[00:11] <DoctorTruth> its a cannon mp190
[00:12] <DoctorTruth> clor printer/scanner all in one
[00:12] <DoctorTruth> oops color
[00:12] <holstein> i would say no
[00:12] <holstein> we used to have ndiswrapper
[00:12] <holstein> for wifi drivers
[00:13] <holstein> not sure how much of that carried over to other devices
[00:13] <DoctorTruth> I ended up having to by a new printer - a brother
[00:13] <holstein> probably better off
[00:13] <DoctorTruth> but its not color and does not have a scanner
[00:13] <DoctorTruth> : (
[00:13] <holstein> new printers are usually about as cheap as replacing the ink cartridges now
[00:13] <DoctorTruth> its better for documents though which I like
[00:14] <DoctorTruth> yeah i agree
[00:14] <holstein> DoctorTruth: plug it in
[00:14] <holstein> the printer/scanner
[00:14] <holstein> and go to...
[00:14] <DoctorTruth> maybe it will just magically work now?
[00:14] <holstein> graphics-simplescan
[00:14] <holstein> it will search for a scanner it can use
[00:15] <holstein> as far as the printer... let me look
[00:16] <DoctorTruth> I could always buy a new one I suppose but i don't print to many photos anyway
[00:16] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1090566
[00:16] <holstein> i have a laser printer
[00:16] <holstein> old brother
[00:16] <holstein> black and white
[00:16] <holstein> i cant tolerate dealing with ink jet ink anymore
[00:16] <holstein> i just go to the kinkos if i need that
[00:18] <DoctorTruth> yeah thats what I should do too ink is expensive and not worth it in the long run anyhow
[00:18] <holstein> i have some fancy cannon
[00:18] <holstein> *epson
[00:19] <holstein> with no ink anymore
[00:19] <holstein> thats the scanner i use
[00:19] <DoctorTruth> I just wanted my scanner running again
[00:19] <holstein> its recognized with linux though
[00:19] <holstein> plug and play
[00:19] <DoctorTruth> cool
[00:19] <holstein> DoctorTruth: sometimes you can find them at the charity shops
[00:20] <holstein> scanners
[00:20] <DoctorTruth> scanners u mean
[00:20] <DoctorTruth> ahh
[00:20] <DoctorTruth> thanks
[00:20] <DoctorTruth> old drivers though
[00:20] <holstein> i see printer/scanners all the time for a couple bucks
[00:20] <holstein> DoctorTruth: doesnt matter how old
[00:20] <DoctorTruth> harder to find?
[00:20] <DoctorTruth> really
[00:20] <holstein> as long as its in the kernel
[00:20] <DoctorTruth> ok
[00:20] <holstein> or availalbe in the repos
[00:21] <DoctorTruth> got ya
[00:21] <holstein> DoctorTruth: i take my netbook with me for stuff like that
[00:21] <DoctorTruth> thanks
[00:21] <holstein> BUT, if its a charity shop
[00:21] <holstein> they sometimes have a 7 day return on electronics
[00:21] <DoctorTruth> I don't have a laptop. ... yet : )
[00:21] <DoctorTruth> going to get one
[00:21] <holstein> and worst case scnerario, you get a 5 dollar scanner that doesnt work
[00:21] <DoctorTruth> lol
[00:21] <holstein> and you donated 5 bucks to whatever cause
[00:21] <DoctorTruth> yeah
[00:22] <DoctorTruth> just chuck it
[00:22] <DoctorTruth> : )
[00:22] <DoctorTruth> ur very helpful
[00:22] <DoctorTruth> thank you
[00:22] <holstein> DoctorTruth: anytime
[00:23] <DoctorTruth> ok talk to ya again sometime
[00:23] <DoctorTruth> gotta run
[00:23] <holstein> laterx
[09:37] <chepaz> Hello everybody. Can someone tell me what the theme is called that is shown on the scrots on the ubuntu-studio-homepage?
[15:14] <holstein> chepaz: hey
[15:14] <holstein> are you running ubuntustudio?
[15:15] <holstein> there are quite a few ubuntustudio metapackages
[15:15] <holstein> you can search in whatever package-manager ubuntustudio
[15:15] <holstein> and read about them
[15:16] <chepaz> Hello holstein. No, not yet. Primary i'm running Archlinux, just want to know the name of the theme.
[15:16] <holstein> i think you'll want ubuntustudio-lool
[15:16] <holstein> ubuntustudio-themem
[15:16] <holstein> ubuntustudio-theme **
[15:16] <holstein> ubuntustudio-desktop
[15:17] <holstein> ^^ -desktop might pull all of it in
[15:17] <holstein> chepaz: if you wanted it in arch
[15:17] <holstein> i bet gnomelook has it
[15:18] <holstein> w0w
[15:18] <holstein> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Studio+7.04+-Original-?content=70621
[15:18] <holstein> the original ;)
[15:26] <chepaz> Hey, nice. All that i need :)


[06:50] <Adri2000> ScottK: I've juste committed the fixes for the two DaD bugs you reported :) you'll see the changes after the next update of the universe page which is at 18UTC
[06:51] <ScottK> Adri2000: Cool.  Thanks.  I'll have a look.  That's in ~70 minutes, right?
[06:51] <Adri2000> yep
[06:51] <ScottK> OK
[06:51] <leonel> no errors after pbuilder
[06:53] <ScottK> Excellent.  Does it install?
[06:55] <leonel> ScottK:  installed
[06:55] <leonel> but the  debdiff  is from yesterday
[06:56] <ScottK> Ummm you made a new one, right?
[06:56] <ScottK> leonel?
[06:56] <leonel> wait
[06:57] <leonel> how I make  the debdiff ?
[06:58] <leonel> can't find  how I made it yesterday
[06:58] <ScottK> debdiff packagname-version.dsc packagname-versionubuntu0.1.dsc > filename.debdff
[06:59] <leonel> sorry
[07:00] <ScottK> No problem.
[07:00] <ScottK> debdiff packagname-version.dsc packagname-versionubuntu0.1.dsc > filename.debdff
[07:00] <leonel> thanks
[07:02] <leonel> now uploading debdiff to launchpad
[07:02] <ScottK> OK
[07:04] <tsmithe> hmm i've added the required parts to tk8.4 to add xft support, but, well, i can't remember what amsn looked like before to see if it's made a difference and thus fixed bug 91095. is it worth me uploading a debdiff anyway?
[07:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91095 in tk8.4 "tk missing antialiasing support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91095
[07:06] <leonel> ScottK:  Done !
[07:12] <ScottK> leonel: Looks good to me.  I think it's ready for keescook to upload.
[07:12] <leonel> ScottK: Great !
[07:12] <leonel> ScottK: Thank You very much !
[07:13] <ScottK> leonel: Now you do Edgy and Dapper...
[07:14] <leonel> ScottK: now  I'll work with  dapper
[07:14] <ScottK> OK
[07:14] <leonel> even  it installed on dapper
[07:14] <leonel> also
[07:14] <leonel> to update the dapper's version
[07:14] <leonel> I need to see all the pending patches in case there are any
[07:14] <ScottK> Great.
[07:14] <ScottK> leonel: Just don't add anything that's not a security fix and document everything you do.
[07:14] <leonel> and do the same
[07:15] <leonel> ScottK: OK
[07:15] <leonel> only security
[07:15] <leonel> there are other packages I'd like to  do  too ...
[07:16] <geser> could someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5093 for me?
[07:16] <leonel> ScottK:  I'll eat  a big pizza for you !  thank you
[07:16] <ScottK> No, thank you for your contribution.
[07:34] <leonel> ScottK: squirrelmail in dapper  depends on  php4   means that  the security for php4 has to be checked too ...
[07:35] <leonel> ScottK: or can It be changed to depend on  php5 ?
[07:35] <ScottK> leonel: No
[07:35] <ScottK> I'd just focus on squirellmail and not worry the php.
[07:36] <leonel> ok
[07:37] <leonel> but  php4 the las update was on Apr 6 2006  http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/p/php4/php4_4.4.2-1build1/changelog
[07:37] <leonel> first things  first
[07:37] <leonel> go with squirrelmail
[07:48] <sharms> Ok I got a new, less offensive dig at redhat now :) http://www.sharms.org/blog/?p=102
[08:08] <leonel> ScottK: squirrelmail in dapper  works with php5 which is in main  ..  you where right  don't worry for php
[08:26] <bddebian> Gah, so much crap on REVU :-(
[08:28] <cbx33> hey guys
[08:29] <cbx33> i used to build packages with debuild -S -sa -kblahblah
[08:29] <cbx33> and i used to get a .tar.gz chucked out
[08:29] <cbx33> but i don't get that not
[08:29] <cbx33> y?
[08:29] <cbx33> i put a .orig.tar.gz
[08:29] <cbx33> and i get the dsc and everything else
[08:29] <cbx33> but i don't get the .tzr.gz
[08:29] <cbx33> why?
[08:30] <highvoltage> hey cbx33, we missed you
[08:31] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[08:31] <cbx33> sorry
[08:31] <cbx33> heheh
[08:31] <geser> bddebian: could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5093 for me?
[08:31] <cbx33> howz UDS?
[08:32] <bddebian> geser: Sure, give me a minute
[08:36] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:37] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:37] <cbx33> the debuild says it's doing a source include
[08:37] <cbx33> but pbuilder doesn't?
[08:37] <cbx33> hmm
[08:37] <cbx33> oh
[08:37] <cbx33> maybe I didn't tell it to build a source package....oh I'm confused
[08:38] <cbx33> been a while since i made a package
[08:38] <geser> so you have an orig.tar.gz, diff.gz and dsc for your package?
[08:38] <cbx33> yes
[08:38] <cbx33> is that all that's needed?
[08:38] <geser> yes
[08:39] <ASCIIGirl> hello all! about repositories ubuntu main + universe == debian main?
[08:39] <cbx33> geser, ok
[08:39] <cbx33> how did I get just .tar.gz files beforehand?
[08:39] <bddebian> ASCIIGirl: For the most part, yes
[08:39] <ASCIIGirl> thx bddebian :)
[08:39] <geser> cbx33: if you have no orig.tar.gz you get a tar.gz (source + changed/new files)
[08:40] <cbx33> ahhhhhh
[08:40] <cbx33> thanky geser
[08:40] <cbx33> i remember now
[08:40] <geser> that one with a orig.tar.gz is a non-native package and the other a native one
[08:46] <gnomefreak> is this as normal as i think it is?
[08:49] <ScottK> Yes
[08:49] <bddebian> No
[08:49] <ScottK> No?
[08:49] <bddebian> Yes
[08:49] <persia> Maybe!
[08:49] <ScottK> Maybe then.
[08:49] <bddebian> hehe
[08:49] <bddebian> Sorry
[08:49] <ScottK> It's normal that lintian on REVU whines about the distribution name.
[08:50] <geser> thanks bddebian
[08:50] <bddebian> NP
[08:52] <gnomefreak> whos up for a review? here is the link http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5092   ignore the linda warning too ;) thats not ubuntus issue
[08:53] <\sh> ScottK, if tiber is dapper, sure it whines about gutsy ,)
[08:53] <bddebian> gnomefreak: Didn't a bunch of people give you feedback on IRC a few days ago?
[08:54] <gnomefreak> bddebian: about the error i told you above and the bzr stuff is all fixed
[08:54] <gnomefreak> its all fixed now.
[08:54] <bddebian> Oh, you did a new upload, OK
[08:56] <Daviey> How can i get an upload nuked?
[08:57] <gnomefreak> Daviey: if in revu ask a reviewer to drop it
[08:57] <Daviey> gnomefreak, are you a revu reviewer?
[08:57] <gnomefreak> Daviey: nope
[08:57] <Daviey> :(
[08:58] <ScottK> Daviey: Why do you want it nuked?
[08:58] <Daviey> it's been superseeded by another upload
[08:58] <ScottK> Then don't worry about it.  It will just be the most recent that gets reviewed.
[08:59] <Daviey> ScottK, it's got a diff package name
[08:59] <ScottK> Oh.  That's different then.
[09:00] <Daviey> A reviewer did recently added a comment; and i don't want to waste their time
[09:00] <ScottK> Daviey: Then I'd log into REVU and leave a comment that says something like "This package superceded by X package.  REVU admins please remove."
[09:00] <Daviey> I've added a comment to that effect - without the REVU admins bit tho
[09:00] <ScottK> Right.  WIth the comment they'd know until an admin got around to nuking it.
[09:00] <Daviey> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4566
[09:00] <ScottK> OK
[09:00] <Daviey> ScottK, thanks
[09:03] <ScottK> Adri2000: Thanks for the quit upgrades for DaD.
[09:03] <ScottK> Looks good
[09:06] <bddebian> Daviey: I archived it
[09:06] <ScottK> eolo999: Hello.
[09:06] <Daviey> bddebian, thanks
[09:07] <eolo999> hi ScottK
[09:07] <ScottK> Can you reproduce it yet?
[09:07] <eolo999> i cannot reproduce it!
[09:07] <ScottK> OK.  Then if you can't make it happen on your machine, then I think it's unlikely you will be able to fix it.
[09:07] <eolo999> i tried stopping my powermanager on kde and launch from command line: no import errors!
[09:07] <ScottK> It's a very odd bug.
[09:08] <ScottK> This is the problem is that it hasn't happened yet to someone with a chance of fixing it.
[09:08] <ScottK> I'd say move on to another then.
[09:09] <ScottK> eolo999: You're synch of pythoncad in Gutsy got uploaded while you were offline.  I marked it fix released after it built.
[09:09] <eolo999> great ScottK
[09:10] <eolo999> I'll continue trying with kde-guidance, but it needs a lot of time to investigate what could be the reason, in the meanwhile i can work on some other thing
[09:11] <ScottK> Hmmm
[09:11] <ScottK> Heh
[09:13] <eolo999> ScottK, have you talked to doko?
[09:13] <ScottK> Not yet
[09:13] <ScottK> He's still at UDS
[09:14] <ScottK> eolo999: Want to have a look at Bug #113803
[09:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113803
[09:16] <eolo999> Seems to be a gentle bug....apt sourcing...
[09:24] <eolo999> package can have aliases?!??!
[09:25] <eolo999> why apt-get source python-netcdf actually get python-scientific?
[09:25] <ScottK> eolo999: Source package name and binary package name are not always the same
[09:26] <ScottK> Some source packages produce more than one binary
[09:27] <eolo999> ok, thx ScottK
[09:28] <ScottK> Good afternoon stratus.
[09:28] <stratus> ScottK: hey
[09:29] <stratus> ScottK: afternoon, howdy?
[09:32] <bddebian> persia: ?
[09:33] <persia> bddebian: It's when *foo = (unsigned) bar => *foo = (unsigned long) bar isn't enough to fix it :(
[09:34] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[09:35] <eolo999> ScottK, replicated Bug #113803
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113803
[09:36] <eolo999> should I tag it confirmed
[09:36] <eolo999> ?
[09:36] <ScottK> Yes
[09:36] <bddebian> Yep
[09:36] <ScottK> Then go fix it....
[09:36] <bddebian> heh
[09:36] <eolo999> I promise
[09:37] <ScottK> eolo999: Also assign it to yourself so no one else duplicates your work.
[09:37] <ScottK> bddebian: He will fix it.
[09:38] <eolo999> bddebian, I'll try and in case ask for your help...
[09:38] <ScottK> eolo999: Don't ask for his help, bddebian will just whine about how he doesn't know anything while he cranks through new package reviews at a rate exceeding 30 packages per hour.
[09:39] <eolo999> heh
[09:39] <bddebian> ScottK: Thanks buddy :-)
[09:40] <persia> ScottK: You've ruined the mystique that generated the most famous wiki page :)
[09:41] <ScottK> persia: If you are interested at all in getting involved in Python stuff in Debian, stratus, who just joined, is a founder of the Debian Python Modules Team.
[09:41] <ScottK> eolo999: It's easy to do.
[09:41] <bddebian> I'm so bad with Names/Nicks.  Someone remind me who William Grant is please?
[09:42] <ScottK> Fujitsu I believe
[09:42] <bddebian> Yep, thanks
[09:42] <ScottK> Once you get old your memory goes ;-)
[09:42] <persia> ScottK: I really don't know python.  Give me C, C++, Java, perl, shell scripting, really anything but python.  gaphor is an extreme exception, and only because I've been subscribed to the bug where people complain it doesn't work for the past couple years.
[09:42] <eolo999> http://www.python.org/doc/2.5/whatsnew/whatsnew25.html
[09:42] <eolo999> ... aa starting point...
[09:44] <stratus> persia: You don't need to be a python coder to package python module in most cases. You need to have deb packaging skills though.
[09:45] <stratus> persia: Good knowledge about Python is just a plus, you need to make sure that the package works (most of them include built-in unit tests or examples, so, not a problem here), and that it can be installed, upgraded, removed and is following the packaging policy.
[09:45] <persia> stratus: I don't like to work on packages where I can't fix the bugs.  I prefer to try to improve the software we have, rather than install new software.  Of the roughly 70,000 open bugs, only about 100 are requests for new software :)
[09:46] <stratus> persia: np, work on to fix current bugs and not introduce new ones is also great indeed.
[09:46] <geser> is here someone familiar with packaging python modules, distutils and namespace packages?
[09:47] <stratus> err hides
[09:47] <geser> stratus: loo late :)
[09:48] <stratus> geser: heh, tell me. which module? new or old stuff? what's the problem/doubt ?
[09:48] <eolo999> !pastebin
[09:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:48] <geser> stratus: DecoratorTools (see http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5093 for my current package)
[09:49] <geser> DecoratorTools specifies peak and peak.util as namespace packages
[09:49] <geser> and I don't know how I get python to find the installed module
[09:49] <pochu> stratus: nice to meet you :) I'm packaging a python app, do you suggest me pycentral or pysupport? :)
[09:49] <fredix> does someone using ruby-gtk ?
[09:50] <geser> stratus: it works if I comment out the namespace line in setup.py
[09:50] <stratus> pochu: pysupport ;)
[09:50] <pochu> stratus: cool, ty! :)
[09:51] <stratus> pochu: just my preference, pycentral is also good enough
[09:51] <stratus> geser: d'getting the source package, hold on please
[09:51] <persia> pochu: Unless it interfaces with zope - then use pycentral (that caught me for feisty).
[09:51] <vil> hi, all
[09:52] <vil> I am currious, if anyone here experiences strange font rendering in gutsy?
[09:52] <vil> especially in firefox
[09:52] <pochu> persia: why, if I can know :)
[09:52] <ScottK> vil: I don't think people are actually running Gutsy right now to know.
[09:53] <pochu> ScottK: I'm running it! :)
[09:53] <persia> pochu: My experience was that pysupport didn't support as much granularity of control of which packages were compiled, and which not (zope requires uncompiled packages for includes for some reason, or it spews errors).  Then again, I don't really know python.
[09:54] <pochu> vil: but rendering is just fine
[09:54] <vil> pochu, so did you already switch to gutsy?
[09:54] <pochu> yep :)
[09:54] <pochu> but I have a feisty partition just in case something fails ;)
[09:55] <persia> pochu: like Liferea?
[09:55] <pochu> persia: heh, no it works fine ;)
[09:55] <pochu> pretty fine I would say :)
[09:56] <geser> pochu: flip a coin :)
[09:56] <pochu> why are there two options? if there were one, I shouldn't have to chose :)
[09:56] <ScottK> pochu: Dedicated Python people argue about it a lot.
[09:56] <persia> pochu: pysupport is easier.  pycentral is more flexible.
[09:56] <pochu> That's what I don't like from FLOSS, that there are a lot of options!
[09:56] <ScottK> pochu: Vi or Emacs?
[09:57] <pochu> (just kidding ;)
[09:57] <pochu> ScottK: nano :p
[09:57] <persia> ScottK: ed!
[09:57] <pochu> geser: that's a good option :)
[09:57] <vil> pochu, after some upgrade a week or so ago, something went wrong and fonts in firefox and window title changed
[09:57] <vil> any idea how to troubleshoot that?
[09:58] <pochu> ScottK: sorry, argue about what?
[09:58] <ScottK> pochu: pycentral or pysupport.
[09:58] <pochu> oh, yes :)
[09:58] <stratus> geser: did you mean namespace_packages line?
[09:58] <geser> yes
[09:59] <geser> that way the deb contains the __init__.py files and it works
[10:00] <pochu> persia: then I think I'll go with the easier one! :)
[10:01] <stratus> geser: could you try with pycentral instead, please? leave the namespace_packages as is
[10:02] <ScottK> tsmithe: Bug #113892 ...
[10:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113892 in Ubuntu "Terratec EWX 24/96 soundcard not working after installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113892
[10:02] <stratus> geser: If you can do it now, better, I'll be waiting here, I've no feisty or gutsy chroot in place to do a test build.
[10:02] <geser> stratus: changing debian/rules now
[10:03] <stratus> geser: good, remember debian/control build-depends also
[10:04] <eolo999> bye ScottK I have to go (hard day today). collected a lot of info for the bugs...
[10:04] <ScottK> eolo999: Good bye.  Thanks for helping out.
[10:05] <ScottK> eolo999: Have a good evening.
[10:05] <eolo999> i'm trying
[10:05] <ScottK> err night
[10:05] <eolo999> just a bed.
[10:06] <eolo999> what's a nap?
[10:09] <nixternal> can someone (crimsun since you packaged it before) take a look at plucker in MoM and tell me which way is best to go about doing it? Merge/Sync?
[10:09] <nixternal> http://merges.ubuntu.com/p/plucker/REPORT
[10:09] <nixternal> I just test built the debian 1.8.21.dsc package and it built fine in gutsy pbuilder
[10:09] <nixternal> but in the Debian changelog they talk about dropping the plucker-desktop since it can't be built anymore
[10:10] <persia> nixternal: Please consider coordinating with the Debian maintainer to migrate to 1.9.0.  There's a patch available for wx2.6 for 1.9.0.
[10:10] <nixternal> persia: you rock!
[10:10] <nixternal> I just was catching wind of it :)
[10:10] <persia> nixternal: Thank you :)
[10:10] <nixternal> haha
[10:11] <nixternal> so you were looking at it as well
[10:12] <persia> nixternal: Only the wx2.6 part - I hadn't gotten to the merge yet.
[10:12] <persia> nixternal: http://bugs.plkr.org/1784
[10:14] <geser> stratus: it works with pycentral
[10:14] <pochu> so do I use pycentral too? :-)
[10:14] <gnomefreak> exit
[10:15] <ScottK> pochu: It depends on your package
[10:15] <ScottK> AFAICT, geser was trying to solve a very specific problem.
[10:15] <geser> pochu: does your package has a namespace_packages line in setup.py?
[10:15] <pochu> persia: looking at http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ap-packaging_tools.html, I won't say python-support is easier :)
[10:16] <pochu> geser: it doesn't have a setup.py!
[10:16] <persia> pochu: Most things are similar.  pysupport autocompiles everything.  pycentral let's you control that in the postinst.  There are other little differences.
[10:17] <pochu> Is that a big issue? I've already packaged it, and it works fine, but I want it to enter into debian
[10:18] <ScottK> pochu: Is it a python application or module?
[10:18] <pochu> ScottK: an app (text editor)
[10:18] <stratus> geser: oh, keep pycentral then. I'll need to track down the problem into pysupport.
[10:18] <geser> thanks for the help
[10:18] <stratus> geser: np, you're welcome.
[10:19] <ScottK> pochu: The Debian Python Modules Team wouldn't do that directly, but their IRC is a good place to find people to help or possibly sponsor your upload into Debian.
[10:20] <ScottK> pochu: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian/PythonModulesTeam
[10:20] <pochu> ScottK: thanks!
[10:21] <stratus> ScottK: did you read the last updates at wiki.debian.org/Utnubu? Bart did some interesting work there.
[10:21] <ScottK> stratus: No. I did not.
[10:24] <ScottK> stratus: Yes.  Interesting.  For Feisty I did one major update to a Python module, one new Python module, and a new Python application.  They are all now in Debian and synced from Debian for Gutsy, so the process definitely works.
[10:26] <gpocentek> bddebian: stop spamming my mailbox! :p
[10:28] <mr_pouit> ^^
[10:30] <ScottK> stratus: I have been looking at python-dns in Debian and it looks to me like the maintainer has lost interest.  I've got a number of fixes I've gotten into Ubuntu that I'd like to get into Debian.  Any suggestions on how best to proceed?
[10:32] <orion2012> I seem to be having trouble with REVU. I've uploaded, yet when I decrypt my key it results in "None" and the package isn't listed on the web page. I also never received an e-mail. Can anyone help?
[10:34] <bddebian> gpocentek: I'm spamming your mailbox?
[10:34] <stratus> ScottK: hold on, I'm checking the maintainer status on NMU lowthreshold
[10:35] <ScottK> Thanks
[10:35] <gpocentek> bddebian: yes, but honnestly, I'm glad to see all the REVU mails ;)
[10:37] <stratus> ScottK: have you mailed Joerg directly ? His last upload was in 03, the last package upload was made by buxy due to the new python policy.
[10:37] <ScottK> stratus: I did not yet.
[10:37] <stratus> ScottK: I suggest you mailing Joerg asking permission to move the package to python-modules
[10:37] <bddebian> gpocentek: Oh, those :-)
[10:38] <ScottK> stratus: I will do that.
[10:38] <gpocentek> bddebian: yep :)
[10:38] <stratus> ScottK: let me know in some days if he replied to you or not.
[10:38] <ScottK> stratus: Will do.
[10:39] <stratus> ScottK: thanks
[10:44] <ScottK> stratus: Sent.  I'll let you know if I hear back.
[10:44] <stratus> ScottK: ping me back even if you don't in the next week, please.
[10:44] <ScottK> stratus: Will do.
[10:46] <ScottK> I see I've managed to move the pysupport/pycentral arguement to #debian-python (on OFTC).
[10:49] <sacater> Hey, I will be contributing again tommorow, SATS ARE OVER!!!!
[10:51] <highvoltage> yay!
[10:53] <bddebian> bug yello thing?
[10:53] <persia> bddebian: big
[10:54] <bddebian> OK,still, what big yellow thing? :)
[10:54] <persia> You've got a planet in the way: easier to hide :)
[10:55] <bddebian> Oooohh :-)
[10:56] <brentc4m> is there always need for more coders for ubuntu? i'd like to get involved and i've been reading around, but I can't tell if there's a genuine need or not
[10:56] <ScottK> brentc4m: What do you code in?
[10:57] <brentc4m> ScottK, c/c++ at the moment, but it looks like python is the language of choice around here. it wouldn't be difficult for me to pick up other languages
[10:58] <ScottK> Do you use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[10:58] <brentc4m> I don't have a ton of experience, but I can definitely get what I want done with enough time
[10:58] <brentc4m> ubuntu
[10:58] <ScottK> Python is the language of choice for Ubuntu specific tools, but we have bug fixing to be done in any number of languages.
[10:59] <dothebart> re.
[11:00] <brentc4m> ah, alright. I'll take a look around. thanks :)
[11:07] <ptitdav69> hello bddebian ! thanks for reviewing my packages volleyball (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5096) ! you said that it should have a manpage but there is one in the volleyball-data (provided like this by the upstream author)
[11:07] <ptitdav69> sorsis, is it good like this ?
[11:08] <bddebian> ptitdav69: Hrm, no, that makes sense
[11:08] <ptitdav69> s/sorsis/so :-S
[11:08] <ScottK> ptitdav69: Does your package install the man page?
[11:08] <ptitdav69> yes ScottK
[11:08] <bddebian> I suppose really the man page should be with the binary package though.  I'm not sure
[11:09] <bddebian> ScottK: It complains on the binary package but the data package contains the man page
[11:09] <ScottK> Ah.
[11:09] <ScottK> That would make sense.  Data package doesn't need a man page, the binary package does...
[11:11] <ptitdav69> so I need to extract the .6 from the source package off volleyball-data and include it on the binary package ?
[11:16] <bddebian> ptitdav69: Yes.  In fact can they not be in the same source package and just build two different binaries?
[11:18] <bddebian> OK, except for iceape and alsa-tools, everything should have at least 1 review.. Sheesh..
[11:18] <ScottK> bddebian: So, what you are saying is that you are someone who quits before the job is done ;-)
[11:18] <bddebian> Well it's time to head home
[11:19] <ScottK> Have a good evening.  You got a lot done this afternoon.
[11:19] <ScottK> No more whining about never doing anything.
[11:20] <ptitdav69> bddebian, the upstream author made one package for the binary and one other for the data... but I can ask him to merge them... and after, I will create 2 binary package... am I right ?
[11:21] <bddebian> ScottK: Whining is what I do best :)
[11:21] <bddebian> ptitdav69: If upstream is that way, it's OK, but really it could probably be 1 source package.  Unless they are maintained seperately.  But the man page should be in the binary package, not the data package.
[11:23] <ptitdav69> ok bddebian, thanks a lot ! :)
[11:23] <bddebian> No, THANK YOU! :-)
[11:24] <ptitdav69> ^^
[11:41] <DarkSun88> Good Night
[11:45] <bddebian> Gah time to head home.  Later folks
[11:46] <xxxxx1> bye bddebian
[11:52] <Ursinha> folks
[11:52] <Ursinha> is there a gstreamer0.10-mms on the way?
[11:54] <xxxxx1> Ursinha: only for 0.8
[11:55] <Ursinha> i mean, there is a 0.8 now, are there plans for creating a 0.10 version?
[11:56] <Ursinha> i need it to reproduce mms streams in feisty, but i can't get it to work with 0.8
[11:57] <xxxxx1> Ursinha: try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:58] <Ursinha> the version exists, i just want to know if it will be packed for ubuntu :)
[12:00] <Ursinha> in gstreamer's page it seems that it's incorporated at 0.10-plugins-bad, but looking at 0.10-plugins-bad in ubuntu libmms doesn't shows as dependency
[12:03] <Ursinha> well, seems that i read wrong, actually libmms0 is there... but still doesn't work
[12:04] <Ursinha> ok.. i'm going, thanks xxxxx1
[12:04] <Ursinha> bye all


[00:30] <xubuntu045> umm my panel dissapeared
[00:31] <xubuntu045> and im getting an error "Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.  "
[00:31] <xubuntu045> and Window manager warning: Region to merge was empty! Either you have a some pathological STRUT list or there's a bug somewhere!
[00:33] <xubuntu045> pls helperini
[11:05] <akis> hi all. any idea why gnome player crashes under 64 bit version although run under 32 bit (in other machine)?
[11:10] <Luyin> akis: have you try running gnomeplayer in a terminal to look at the errors and warnings there?
[11:12] <akis> Luyin: it starts normally but it crashes when trying to play. i got messages from crash report messages.
[11:13] <Luyin> akis: you haven't really answered my question :P
[11:14] <akis> Luyin: the report says: gnome-media-player crashed with SIGSEGV in libvlc_media_player_new()
[11:16] <ObrienDave> try a different player. vlc comes to mind
[13:28] <ndurrani> Hi. Thunderbird doesn't work for me - it can send email, but it can't receive it. It works in OS X (in fact I eventually copied the thunderbird profile from os x and it still doesn't work)
[13:29] <ndurrani> and telnet outlook.office365.com 993 fails
[13:29] <ndurrani> any ideas?
[13:29] <ndurrani> (I'm using xubuntu LTS on a macbook air)
[13:30] <VelhoP4> ndurrani, you want to sync the osx thunderbird with the linux one?
[13:30] <GridCube> are you sure the outlook service is working?
[13:30] <ndurrani> I am sure (unless it's biased against linux for some reason)
[13:31] <ndurrani> velhoP4: I don't want to sync the two. I just want to get thunderbird working in linux
[13:32] <ndurrani> I think it's some kind of port forwarding/NAT issue since telnet fails (if you google "testing imap" the telnet command I wrote earlier comes up)
[13:33] <ndurrani> I've tried installing evolve from gnome, and that fails as well. I can't get gmail working either
[13:33] <ndurrani> on either thunderbird or evolve
[13:33] <ndurrani> ugh--- i mean evolution
[14:41] <cegueira> I'm having some trouble with wpa_supplicant hogging the cpu and slowing everything down
[14:47] <brainwash> cegueira: does it generate any error messages in /var/log/syslog ?
[14:47] <cegueira> will have a look
[14:50] <cegueira> syslog is currently 290MB and growing quite rapidly!
[14:50] <cegueira> #
[14:50] <cegueira> it may crash whatever I use to open it
[14:52] <brainwash> wow, something is spamming your log
[14:53] <cegueira> should I reboot and have a look straight after
[14:55] <brainwash> open a terminal window and run "tail -20 /var/log/syslog"
[14:55] <brainwash> this command will print the last 20 lines
[14:56] <brainwash> also, which xubuntu version did you install? is it a fresh installation?
[14:57] <cegueira> everything has just frozen, I will reboot, brb
[15:09] <cegueira> Hi brainwash, after a reboot (i performed multiple reboots earlier) the problem is no longer there
[15:10] <cegueira> If it happens again I will come back, thanks for your help.
[16:41] <Knight80> Hello everyone
[16:41] <Knight80> Good afternoon
[16:46] <GridCube> !hi | Knight80
[17:52] <genii> rosaecaeruleae: If your wifi adapter is a Broadcom, you probably want the !broadcom factoid
[17:52] <genii> !broadcom
[17:53] <rosaecaeruleae> no, is a SiS
[17:53] <holstein> also, i'll just simply try booting my last kernel that worked, if i feel an update broke something.. you should also entertain that the device could have broken, rosaecaeruleae
[17:53] <genii> Ah, OK.
[17:54] <rosaecaeruleae> holstein, the device is independent of sound control?
[17:54] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: correct
[17:54] <rosaecaeruleae> mmmm...
[17:54] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: the networking hardware *is* independent of "audio"
[17:54] <rosaecaeruleae> so Ill have to open the laptop
[17:55] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: i didnt say that...
[17:55] <rosaecaeruleae> holstein, how do I know if the hardware is broken?
[17:55] <genii> rosaecaeruleae: What is the vendor:device code for it that sudo lspci -nn    reports?
[17:55] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: personally, what i would do is, try a live CD that i *know* worked with the hardware.. then, i'll even try an operating system that i was promise support for
[17:55] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: i mean, opening it up and staring at the part doesnt say its functional,or not
[17:55] <genii> ( it looks like 8086:9A0F    or so )
[17:57] <rosaecaeruleae> genii, https://etherpad.mozilla.org/hzC8QFhbB4
[17:57] <rosaecaeruleae> o, and the battery controled doesnt work either, it says "remaining time: 00:00, its been so for the last 5 minutes
[17:58] <holstein> i dont even see the device listed there.. so, it could be, you disabled it in the bios, or hit a key combination..
[17:58] <genii> Yes, no wifi adapter there.
[17:58] <genii> Might be usb bridge type
[17:59] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: you can see battery levels misreported, since, you are not promised that the device has linux support from the creators.. is this something that used to work?
[17:59] <genii> rosaecaeruleae: What says result of:  lsusb
[17:59] <rosaecaeruleae> genii, i dont need to insert a usb device to get wireless access
[18:00] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: please run the command, regardless.. lsusb, and paste the same, please.. thanks
[18:00] <rosaecaeruleae> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/hzC8QFhbB4
[18:00] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: if you dont see the wifi device in lspci, nor lsusb, then, you will *not* get wifi
[18:00] <genii> rosaecaeruleae: You misunderstand. Many laptops have an onboard USB bridge to which their netowrk adapter is connected
[18:00] <rosaecaeruleae> o, yes I misunderstood
[18:01] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: your chip is not showing up, so, its either broken, or disabled, or removed.. or something is *very* broken
[18:01] <rosaecaeruleae> how do I disable it?
[18:01] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: i would try the live iso that i know worked.. the one i installed the operating system with.. i would run the same commands looking for the wifi hardware
[18:02] <rosaecaeruleae> holstein, the last live iso I used was for 11.10 I believe
[18:02] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: im not saying you should disable it.. im saying you might have accidentally disabled it.. *all* machines are unique
[18:02] <rosaecaeruleae> o, sorry
[18:02] <rosaecaeruleae> i dont brain much today
[18:02] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: what operating system are you using?
[18:02] <rosaecaeruleae> how do I enable it? :D
[18:02] <rosaecaeruleae> xubuntu 14.10 64 bits
[18:03] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: i would first just look and see if it is disabled.. as i said, in the bios, and with keyboard shortcuts are the common places
[18:03] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: you installed 14.10 from the live iso?
[18:03] <rosaecaeruleae> no, upgrade
[18:03] <rosaecaeruleae> where do I get a list of all shortcuts I enabled?
[18:03] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: what i would do is simply download the 14.04 live iso, and boot that on my hardware.. i would then look in the bios, and try the key combinations
[18:04] <rosaecaeruleae> ok, more work :D
[18:04] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: did you enable "shortcuts"?
[18:04] <rosaecaeruleae> holstein, I have no idea
[18:04] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: sure.. troubleshooting broken hardware *is* work
[18:04] <rosaecaeruleae> will I find shortcut options under settings?
[18:04] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: no
[18:05] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: these are *function* keys.. "baked" into the actual machine
[18:05] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: independent of the operating system you are running
[18:05] <holstein> you can hit them by accident, and disable the wifi, or a switch on the side..
[18:06] <rosaecaeruleae> holstein, ok, so the shortcuts are standard
[18:06] <rosaecaeruleae> the same for all laptops
[18:06] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: ok, friend.. its *not* the same
[18:06] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: i am *not* talking about the keyboard shortcuts in xubuntu, or xfce
[18:06] <rosaecaeruleae> au
[18:06] <holstein> rosaecaeruleae: i am talking about the function keys of the machine..
[18:07] <rosaecaeruleae> a i see
[18:21] <xubuntu77w> hello
[19:05] <xubuntu95w> hi
[20:39] <bensen123> hi guys
[20:54] <Tondinahk> aye
[21:42] <Cykik> Locked myself out of root; any tips? Also need a pen test any takers?
[21:42] <knome> as i said in the other channel, you shouldn't have a root account
[21:42] <knome> is that what you are asking about?
[21:45] <Cykik> The root account is locked; I need it unlocked.
[21:45] <Cykik> Something is not right with the kernel
[21:45] <knome> no, you don't need the root account
[21:45] <knome> !rootsudo | Cykik
[21:47] <Cykik> I am just wanting to secure this system. I'm looking for help, from Good people. :)
[21:48] <genii> Giving root account a password is the opposite of that.
[21:50] <drc> Cykik: They are correct, you shouldn't nned root, but if you had bothered to look at the link knome gave you you would have found "Special notes on sudo and shells" which should allow you to so what you want.
[22:13] <infamy> http://pastebin.com/pkrVUL2F
[22:13] <infamy> what installer am i missing?
[22:15] <brainwash> infamy: run "sudo apt-get build-dep znc"
[22:15] <infamy> ty
[22:20] <CajunTechie> Hey everyone! Another quick question (hopefully). When I try to boot my machine (which dual boots Win7 for the wife and Xubuntu 14.04 for me) I am dropped to the grub rescue prompt, being told "filesystem not found". I then go on to type the whole prefix=blah blah blah then manually load the modules, finishing by typing 'normal' and the system boots properly. I have to do this every single time. How can I SAVE this config so I don't have t
[22:21] <pleia2> CajunTechie: you want to edit /etc/default/grub with the appropriate info
[22:21] <pleia2> then run "sudo update-grub"
[22:21] <CajunTechie> Cool. Thank you!
[22:27] <CajunTechie> Sorry, one more question (I've never edited my grub config): do I just put the prefix=blah, blah, and all the insmod lines directly in the /etc/default/grub file?
[22:29] <Unit193> CajunTechie: Did you ever have a different Linux OS installed?
[22:32] <CajunTechie> Unit193: No.  But since I can just type those five or six lines at the grub rescue prompt, isn't there another way than reinstalling grub completely? I'm not trying to be lazy but I'm worried I might screw it up and make things unusable completely.


[00:53] <earthling_> anyone know of a way to make a snap-to feature like they have in XP?
[00:53] <earthling_> where the mouse cursor goes to the dialogue button automatically
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> Snap to?
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> You mean like dragging a window to the right and it resizes to the the right half
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> earthling_:
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> ^^^^
[01:06] <earthling_> the cursor goes on top of a button
[01:08] <earthling_> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/accessibility/snapto.mspx
[01:14] <DarkwingDuck> Not that I know of
[01:24] <earthling_> ok
[01:24] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry mate
[01:24] <DarkwingDuck> You can dig google for it.
[01:25] <DarkwingDuck> someone might have figured out how.
[01:25] <earthling_> no prob
[01:25] <earthling_> I put in an idea in the brainstorm forum
[01:25] <earthling_> didn't find any
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> Lots of stuff on google that isn't there.
[01:26] <earthling_> yep
[01:26] <earthling_> I checked google too
[01:27] <earthling_> I'm always looking for ways to speed things up
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:31] <earthling_> :)
[05:17] <yax51> anyone know where I can find linux drivers for asus g50vt x-5? they don't have any on the asus page and I need my webcam drivers...
[05:21] <bioterror> indout which chipset it uses
[05:21] <bioterror> find
[05:22] <bioterror> would help more finding the drivers
[05:25] <yax51> Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd 1.3 MPixel UVC Webcam
[05:26] <yax51> I find it in lsusb, but nothing works with it
[05:27] <yax51> cheese says its there, but I get no picture
[05:28] <yax51> skype also
[05:30] <bioterror> then you have drivers
[05:30] <bioterror> you need to file a bug raport
[05:33] <yax51> I had it working at one point just fine, maybe I turned it off somehow with out realizing it....
[05:33] <yax51> is there a way to access the setting of my webcam?
[05:35] <duanedesign> yax51: can you try the  command:   lsmod | grep video
[05:36] <duanedesign> I think the driver is called uvcvideo
[05:37] <yax51> http://paste.ubuntu.com/580008/
[05:39] <duanedesign> yep, as bioterror already noted itis not because of lack of driver...
[05:39] <duanedesign> hmm
[05:39] <yax51> yeah, but I was going to reinstall them and see if that did anything
[05:45] <duanedesign> yax51: does this command return something:   ls /dev/video*
[05:48] <duanedesign> yax51: if you have ffmpeg installed you can test the camera with:   ffmpeg -f oss -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -i /dev/video0 out.mpg
[05:48] <yax51> /dev/video0
[05:49] <duanedesign> also some troubleshooting steps here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam/Troubleshooting
[05:49] <yax51> sweet!
[05:50] <yax51> the funny thing is that it was working fine like 3 days ago
[05:50] <duanedesign> yax51: coould be a brightness issue
[05:51] <duanedesign> yax51: see the picture is dark section on that wiki page
[05:52] <duanedesign> yax51: one more link :) this is specific to the driver you are using. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UVC
[05:52] <duanedesign> best of luck I gotta get a few hours sleep. Let us know hoe it goes
[05:53] <yax51> Thanks!!
[06:18] <yax51> ok that was dumb
[06:19] <yax51> it was my NVidia graphics driver, switched to the current one, and Bingo everything works
[06:20] <bioterror> good
[09:32] <mR0> I need help with my canon "CanoScan Lide 100". It detected when check it via terminal. But when I open it from Applications >>> Graphics >>> Simple Scan, it tells me that no scanners detected.
[09:32] <mR0> I need help with my canon "CanoScan Lide 100". It detected when check it via terminal. But when I open it from Applications >>> Graphics >>> Simple Scan, it tells me that no scanners detected.
[09:33] <mR0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/580050/
[10:13] <ikt> mR0, what version of ubuntu are you using?
[10:17] <mR0> ikt Im using 10.10 (maverick)
[10:27] <ikt> mR0, I don't think it is compatible
[10:27] <ikt> actually
[10:27] <ikt> looks like there is a hack
[10:29] <ikt> have you seen this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1033181
[10:29] <mR0> How to... ikt?
[10:29] <mR0> I'll try & report back later
[10:31] <ikt> gl :)
[10:31] <ikt> It's unfortunate that canon don't offer better support :/
[10:33] <mR0> btw, do I need to configure "git", ikt?
[10:34] <ikt> hrmm
[10:34] <ikt> one sec
[10:38] <duanedesign> morning all
[10:39] <mR0> gud afternoon duanedesign :P
[10:46] <ikt> mR0, sorry I can't see where git is mentioned
[10:48] <mR0> ikt, it doesn't mentioned on ur suggested URL... But another one in Indonesian lang...
[10:50] <ikt> ah ok
[10:50] <ikt> git is used for storing code
[10:56] <mR0> wht about this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1033181&page=2 ikt?
[10:58] <ikt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9462309&postcount=14
[11:01] <mR0> oke ikt, thanks for ur helps.... I'll try it later, I've company come to my desk. See u later...
[11:37] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:37] <duanedesign> hello hello s-fox
[17:10] <KinkyPinkie> how much space would you reccomend me giving a partition for 64bit 10.10?
[17:11] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: i think 8 to 10 should be minimal
[17:11] <holstein> GB's
[17:11] <KinkyPinkie> ok, thanks :)
[17:11] <holstein> you can probably fit on 6 alright
[18:01] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:57] <kristian-aalborg> hi
[18:58] <kristian-aalborg> I was thinking of something... can I have a menu for different sessions when I boot up
[18:59] <kristian-aalborg> for instance: 1) run gnome session --- 2) run cli session with program A --- 3) run cli session with program B ?
[19:18]  * kristian-aalborg thinks aloud... this could be done in bash + dialog, hurm...?
[19:42] <hggdh> kristian-aalborg, you already have something like that on GDM -- you can select to run Gnome, or an X term, etc
[19:46] <kristian-aalborg> hggdh: gdm is too heavy
[19:47] <hggdh> kristian-aalborg, there is XFCE, for example (Xubuntu), and other WMs as options
[19:47] <kristian-aalborg> I was thinking something as light as possible
[19:48] <kristian-aalborg> there's a thing called quingy, I think... that might fit the job
[19:48] <kristian-aalborg> ah - SLIM will be fine, I think
[19:48] <kristian-aalborg> also that one is rather easy to work with
[20:50] <KinkyPinkie> anyone know a good tool to defragment and partition an external drive?
[20:51] <head_victim> KinkyPinkie: use a livecd with gparted on it for partitioning and fsck is a good file system checking tool.
[20:51] <KinkyPinkie> gparted doesn't seem to recognise my drive
[20:52] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: maybe its dead?
[20:52] <KinkyPinkie> nono
[20:52] <holstein> in a terminal
[20:52] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l
[20:52] <holstein> KinkyPinkie: have you used gparted before?
[20:52] <holstein> theres a drop down in the upper right
[20:52] <KinkyPinkie> yes
[20:52] <holstein> where you choose the drive*
[20:53] <KinkyPinkie> i'll just try some more googling. thanks anyway :)
[20:53] <holstein> well, i would think google will say gparted
[20:54] <holstein> what do you get when you run sudo fdisk -l?
[20:54] <holstein> do you see the drive?
[21:04] <hggdh> well, one must specify the disk on fdisk: 'fdisk /dev/sda'
[21:05] <holstein> i was going for more of a list of what is mountable
[21:06] <hggdh> even on -l; also you will need root
[21:07] <holstein> sudo fdisk -l ??
[21:07] <holstein> for me that just lists what the computer can see
[21:07] <holstein> what would be mountable if its not mounted
[21:07] <KinkyPinkie> yea well i'm giving up on the defrag thing anyway, don't want to risc it with some home-made tool :P better boot to w7 (shoot me)
[21:08] <holstein> i dont know why gparted is not doing that though..
[21:08] <KinkyPinkie> and maybe things will work out after the restart
[21:08] <holstein> lol
[21:08] <holstein> home-made tool ;)
[21:08] <KinkyPinkie> :P
[21:08] <holstein> do what makes you feel safe :)
[21:47] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[21:47] <kristian-aalborg> would anybody have a .nanorc file that's good for prose?
[22:37] <head_victim> Anyone know how I can track down the cause input hanging (both keyboard and mouse lag badly) that occurs locally on the machine and even when SSH'd into the machine
[22:37] <LukasB> Hi all, I am trying to install Ubuntu 10.10 with vmplayer on windows xp. In the end of the installation it tells it installs vm tools and I have to wait until the graphical environment appears... Insteat I get a comand line screen to login... I tried to enter my username and password. Username works but the password line doesnt show any response... Can anyone please help me?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> password will appear to be blanks or not working, just type it in correctly and hit enter
[22:53] <charlie-tca> It will let you log in
[22:55] <LukasB> Thank you charlie, that didnt work but I changed some settings and it goes straight to the ubuntu environment now :-)
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Glad I couldn't help, then ;-)


[10:53] <elacheche> 3arfi nizarus Happy 3id :D
[10:53] <elacheche> Happy 3id Bader davlefou pavlushka theShirbiny :) :)
[10:54] <pavlushka> Eid Mubarak elacheche :)
[10:54] <pavlushka> and Everyone, Eid Mubarak
[10:54] <elacheche> Thx pavlushka :)
[10:55] <pavlushka> you too :)
[10:58] <nizarus> hello @ all
[10:58] <nizarus> et 3idkom mabrouk
[10:58] <pavlushka> elacheche: How can I setup a public ftp site using vsftpd? Sorry If it is very workoholic of me or if it made you a bit workoholic :p
[10:58] <pavlushka> Eid Mubarak nizarus :)
[11:00] <elacheche> pavlushka: by "site" you mean a website?
[11:01] <davlefou> Bonjour les gars!!!
[11:01] <theShirbiny> Happy eid elacheche  :)
[11:01] <elacheche> Happy happy theShirbiny :D
[11:01] <pavlushka> elacheche: does that make the site http+ftp then if I say yes?
[11:01] <elacheche> Bonjour davlefou!
[11:02] <elacheche> pavlushka: nop :p
[11:02] <elacheche> ftp is just to transfert files to a remote machine..
[11:02] <pavlushka> elacheche: ok then, yes :)
[11:02] <davlefou> vsftpd est permet de faire un server ftp efficace selon mes souvenirs!
[11:02] <elacheche> yes davlefou you'"re right
[11:02] <davlefou> même pour des branc de developpeur sous mac!
[11:03] <pavlushka> Eid Mubarak davlefou theShirbiny :)
[11:03] <elacheche> pavlushka: To host a website you need to setup a webserver (apache OR nginx) and to put some files under it, for this task you can use ftp, rsync or sftp.. it depends on what you want..
[11:03] <elacheche> pavlushka: So, what is your goal..
[11:04] <davlefou> ou ssh, voir sshfs, c'est mieux!
[11:04] <theShirbiny> Happy Eid pavlushka :D
[11:04] <davlefou> Bonne Aid a tous.
[11:04] <pavlushka> elacheche: for instance ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/, I want to make a site like this, my local ISP asked for this fi it's possible for me
[11:04] <theShirbiny> pavlushka: static or dynamic?
[11:04] <elacheche> davlefou: non, sshfs pas bon, sftp sera mieux.. ;)
[11:05] <elacheche> Oh! Youwant to host a public FTP server
[11:07] <pavlushka> theShirbiny: is ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/ static, I am not sure
[11:07] <theShirbiny> yes, that's static
[11:07] <pavlushka> elacheche: yes
[11:07] <pavlushka> theShirbiny: then static
[11:08] <theShirbiny> does it have to be ftp? or https is fine?
[11:09] <pavlushka> elacheche: I am doing it on a RPI, and I want to make only a specific directory accessible
[11:10] <theShirbiny> Oh, just locally xD
[11:10] <theShirbiny> I was going to suggest S3
[11:10] <pavlushka> theShirbiny: is it feasible to host media and other downloadable contents on http?
[11:11] <pavlushka> theShirbiny: no, I will make it accessible to a WAN(for a district)  network, later
[11:12] <pavlushka> I am just testing it on my home network
[11:13] <pavlushka> so far I am able to use vsftpd with username and password and the whole root directory is accessible, for me its ok but not for everyone :)
[11:13] <pavlushka> on RPI
[11:13]  * elacheche is sroory, Internet is not stable :/ can't read in real time :/
[11:14] <pavlushka> elacheche: np, check logs later :)
[11:14] <elacheche> pavlushka: there is an anonymous access option in the vsftpd cfg file under /etc, try to enable it then restart it then try
[11:23] <elacheche> pavlushka: https://askubuntu.com/questions/555660/create-a-vsftpd-server-with-anonymous-access
[11:24] <u-la-la> [ 14.04 - Create a VSFTPD server with anonymous access - Ask Ubuntu ] - https://askubuntu.com
[11:32] <theShirbiny> or man vsftpd.conf :p
[11:33] <pavlushka> ok, I dont want to pose serious work threat today for me or anyone, So, some other day may be :D
[11:33] <pavlushka> thanks theShirbiny and elacheche :)