[03:11] <micahg> hrm, rejecting in the +queue UI doesn't allow one to give a reason?
[03:12] <infinity> micahg: Neither does the CLI.  There's nothing for it in the API or DB.
[03:13] <micahg> oh, hrm, how do people give reasons when rejecting then?
[03:13] <infinity> Email.
[03:13] <infinity> Or IRC.
[03:13] <micahg> doesn't matter in this case as I rejected my own upload
[03:13] <infinity> Or not at all. :P
[03:13] <micahg> infinity: what's the story with sagari?
[03:13] <infinity> micahg: The sagari that's been doing all the PPC builds for the last few hours?
[03:14] <micahg> yes
[03:14] <infinity> The story is it's there, it works, and I'm stress-testing it.
[03:14] <micahg> I'm wondering how it compares to the current builders and/or sulfur
[03:15] <infinity> And that it got to flip the bird to two x86 buildds when it finished gcc-4.8 before they did.
[03:15] <infinity> It doesn't compare at all.
[03:15] <infinity> Or, rather, they can't compare to it.
[03:15] <micahg> I think you just answer my question, that rocks :)
[03:15] <infinity> Think 13.5h for linux-ppc versus 1h or so.
[03:16] <infinity> Or a more fun number, 27m for firefox.
[03:16] <infinity> (This was test-building on a 3.8 kernel, it does seem a tiny bit slower on precise/3.2, but still plenty fast)
[03:16] <micahg> wow, vs 1.5 hrs, that really rocks
[03:16] <infinity> 1.5h?
[03:17] <micahg> hrm, raring 19 beta takes 2.5 hrs on i386
[03:17] <infinity> Yeah.
[03:17] <infinity> And, for some weird reason, 4h on amd64, but that may have just been a grumpy buildd.
[03:18] <micahg> quantal 18.01 was 4.5 hrs on amd64 and i386, I'm wondering why it got slow all of the sudden
[03:18] <micahg> which version built in 27m?
[03:18] <infinity> Current raring.
[03:18] <infinity> 19+whatever.
[03:18] <micahg> wow, so 5x over x86, I think I need to consider switching to PPC
[03:19] <infinity> IBM so needs to make another cheap desktop form-factor workstation when POWER8 comes out.
[03:21] <infinity> How to builds compare to x86 really depends on the upstream makefile.
[03:21] <infinity> On single-threaded or poorly-parallelised stuff, the machine is still a tiny bit faster than x86 (which is still shiny).
[03:21] <infinity> But the more you can jack up the concurrency, the more it shines.
[03:21] <infinity> Only 6 cores, but SMT4, so 24 concurrent threads.
[03:22] <micahg> wow, 3x more threads than I have :)
[03:22] <infinity> Yeah, it's not awful for IBM's bottom-of-the-line option.
[08:59] <tjaalton> I've uploaded sssd updates for precise and quantal some time ago (after the MRE got accepted), but they're still on the queue
[11:15] <ogra_> hmpf, still no arm livefs buildd in sight
[11:22] <Laney> ogra_: has anyone checked with IS?
[11:23] <ogra_> Laney, according to ChrisS (yesterday) it is likely in the process of being moved and he couldnt give any ETA
[11:23] <ogra_> though it is being mobved since 4 days now it seems
[15:56] <tseliot> are there any members of the SRU team around?
[15:57] <tseliot> I need some help getting the rest of the packages approved for this SRU: LP: #1080588
[15:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080588 in jockey (Ubuntu Precise) "jockey suggests not installable packages on renamed stack" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080588
[15:58] <tseliot> cjwatson: ^
[15:58] <cjwatson> Meeting
[18:50] <blitzkrieg3> SpamapS: hi, is there a chance we can get the packages in bug 1080588 uploaded to -proposed?
[18:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080588 in jockey (Ubuntu Precise) "jockey suggests not installable packages on renamed stack" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080588
[18:52] <infinity> blitzkrieg3: s/uploaded/accepted/ ?
[18:52] <infinity> blitzkrieg3: I was going to get to reviewing in a while.
[18:52] <blitzkrieg3> infinity: right,
[18:53] <blitzkrieg3> infinity: sorry, I'm a little unfamiliar with the inner workings
[18:54] <blitzkrieg3> cool, we're trying to get this in as soon as possible because this is going to cause major problems when we release 12.04.2
[19:01] <infinity> blitzkrieg3: I'm aware.
[19:18] <SpamapS> I'll do a little SRU run right now actually
[19:19] <SpamapS> need a mental break from other stuff
[19:25] <tjaalton> would be happy to see my sssd uploads get some attention, hint hint nudge nudge ;)
[21:05]  * infinity looks at account-plugin-fitbit in the queue and wonders if this is the first time he's ever seen a package with a version of simply "1".
[21:07] <infinity> kenvandine: ^-- Not that I have issues with it, but... Really? :)
[21:07] <stgraber> infinity: it's not alone, see "esteid" and "libsyntax-highlight-engine-simple-languages-perl" :)
[21:08] <infinity> stgraber: It makes it damned hard to click certain elements of the Soyuz web UI. :)
[21:08] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugin-fitbit <-- I dare you, click the package version!
[21:09] <stgraber> infinity: that's easy with a trackpoint, not sure how easy it'd be with a touchpad though
[21:10] <infinity> [1] citation needed
[21:10] <stgraber> infinity: you could just send a LP patch to: if len(source_version) == 1: source_version = "yeah-really-just-%s" % source_version
[21:10] <infinity> stgraber: Hah.
[21:21] <kenvandine> infinity, indeed... i told cwayne that i didn't really like the version... but he is upstream :)
[21:22] <kenvandine> not the first package i've seen like that
[21:22] <infinity> kenvandine: Oh well.  It won't be 1 forever. :P
[21:22] <kenvandine> right :)
[21:23] <kenvandine> i couldn't think of a good reason to make him change it
[21:23] <infinity> There is no good reason.  Just that knee-jerk developer "eww, really?"
[21:23] <kenvandine> right


[22:33] <mwhudson> xnox, paride: huh did my change to make this more like it used to be get merged?
[22:38] <mwhudson> vorlon, stgraber, Laney, etc: https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/debian-cd/document-xorriso-options/+merge/387015 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/debian-cd/half-the-grubs/+merge/387085 please?


[00:02] <Gallomimia> how can i re-activate my ssh server? seem to have mistakenly uninstalled it. i think i reinstalled it now
[00:09] <Ursinha> Gallomimia, if openssh-server is installed, so it should work normally (I guess service activation happens when the package is installed)
[00:09] <Ursinha> hehe
[00:17] <koolhead17> waoo awesome :P
[00:17] <brainysmurf> I see a {crypt}x value for the userPassword field in an ldif file for an ldap; what does that mean?
[00:40] <tdelam> hey guys, i have a web app where I am encoding a video and uploading to a fileshare, I want to mount the drive locally, i have been using smbmount but I am getting permission denied, i can't seem to set the permissions, am i doing something wrong in the mounting?
[00:58] <alazare619> tdelam:  is your user accoutn in the smbmount user group?
[00:59] <tdelam> hmm, no
[00:59] <tdelam> i don't believe so, let me check when it comes back from reboot.
[01:06] <tdelam> alazare619: how do i add my user to that group
[01:06] <jvargas> how do I restore locale to en_US by default?
[01:06] <jvargas> installation was performed using es_CR, and I need to change it for compatibility reasons.
[01:51] <qman__> tdelam, try mount -t cifs
[01:52] <tdelam> i think i finally have it
[01:52] <tdelam> this is pretty finicky
[01:52] <tdelam> I have kids so I can deal with picky but this is daft :)
[01:52] <tdelam> thanks though qman__
[02:02] <koolhead17> neoXsys,
[02:11]  * semiosis is back.
[02:11]  * semiosis is away.  please leave a /msg
[02:11]  * semiosis is away.  please leave a /msg
[02:11]  * semiosis is away.  please leave a /msg
[02:12] <semiosis> oops!  sorry
[02:14] <twb> Don't do it again.
[02:15] <semiosis> twb: ok :)
[02:15] <EvilResistance> semiosis:  yeah, away message broadcasts arent exactly liked on ubuntu irc channels
[02:16] <semiosis> i can't imagine they're liked anywhere
[02:16] <EvilResistance> indeed
[02:17] <semiosis> too tired to be messing with irc client options
[02:17] <semiosis> sorry again
[03:54] <stoned> Hi, I'm on Ubuntu Lucid and I need to install python 2.7.x but repositories only have 2.6.x. What should I do?
[03:55] <stoned> Are there any 2.7 backports? Or do I have to build python from source?
[04:01] <ScottK> There are PPAs that have it, but as with any PPA, check who's PPA it is and decide if you trust them.
[04:03] <stoned> I need to install python 2.7 on lucid. What's the best way to do this?
[04:05] <rbasak> stoned: <ScottK> There are PPAs that have it, but as with any PPA, check who's PPA it is and decide if you trust them.
[04:05] <twb> ScottK: is PPA upload access discretionary?
[04:05] <rbasak> twb: anyone can have their own PPA. You just need to sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, that's all.
[04:05] <twb> ScottK: i.e. if I "own" a PPA, can I delegate upload rights to additional people, who maybe you (a user of the PPA) don't trust?
[04:06] <ScottK> You can tell who had upload rights.
[04:06] <stoned> What's a PPA?
[04:08] <stoned> I have to also setup mod python for apache for 2.7
[04:08] <stoned> Should I build from source?
[04:09] <twb> stoned: why do you need python 2.7 on lucid?
[04:09] <stoned> The server we have where everythign is hosted is lucid
[04:09] <stoned> The client needs to host something that requires 2.7 apparently
[04:09] <stoned> 2.6 is what comes w/ lucid
[04:09] <twb> Say to them that this is non-trivial.
[04:09] <stoned> I can't. I have to get this done.
[04:09] <twb> Ask them if it is worth the investment, or if they'd prefer to fix/test their app to work with 2.6
[04:10] <twb> I have had this argument with customers before
[04:10] <twb> For something as deep in the core as python, it will be a headache to backport it to lucid.  Best is to fix their app, middle is to upgrade the VPS to 12.04; worst is to try to backport newer python to lucid
[04:11] <stoned> I could backup and restore the sites/db etc. on a new server install
[04:11] <twb> If it was an "edge" package, the order might be different.
[04:11] <stoned> however, our ip will change
[04:11] <stoned> And they use their own DNS to poitn to our server
[04:12] <stoned> And having them do that takes almost 4-6 weeks (it's a global corporation and paperwork etc.)
[04:12] <twb> Anyway, deciding on which path to choose is up to the customer; you just need to make them aware of the costs & risks of each choice
[04:13] <stoned> Ok. Thanks.
[04:13] <stoned> I let my CEO know. He will talk to them himself.
[04:14] <stoned> Worst case scenario, we built a new vps for them on new ubuntu
[04:14] <stoned> they should just let us handle the domain but blah
[04:14] <twb> You might point out that 10.04's already two years into its five-year EOL
[04:15] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-point_estimation
[04:17] <twb> If you use that technique, you give a biiiiig number for the worst case to demonstrate how iffy the backporting can be
[04:18] <twb> Like ½/2/14 days
[04:18] <stoned> I always do that
[04:19] <stoned> I learned from my mentor that if it takes 10 hours to do something, tell them 60 best case scenario.
[04:19] <stoned> I mean I get you.
[04:19] <twb> Haha, that's just inflation
[04:19] <stoned> Heh.
[04:19] <stoned> Well I don't do any billing so I dunno
[04:19] <stoned> I just job it
[04:20] <twb> I give three-point estimates to my management, who will either make the decisions or bundle it with other estimates and pass the decision up to the customer
[04:20] <stoned> I am reading it
[04:20] <stoned> intersting article
[04:20] <stoned> thanks
[04:20] <twb> It's really no harder than single-point estimates, and it gives management a lot better understanding on your confidence level for a given task
[04:22] <twb> Of course its important to understand that "worst case" is also ONLY an estimate.  It only covers the "known unknowns" as Cheney put it
[04:22] <stoned> how come your nickname is twb
[04:22] <twb> It's just an MIT-style username.
[04:23] <stoned> Initials?
[04:23] <twb> Xavier Yusuf Zbiegniew ==> xyz
[04:23] <stoned> That's a wicked name if it were a real one
[04:23] <twb> It's historical; hispanic orthography now uses "javier"
[04:24] <stoned> sounds like heavier
[04:25] <stoned> I find Spanish to be a rather funny sounding language, no disrespect intended
[08:39] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:06] <linocisco> anybody tried ubuntu mail server on virtualbox? INternet will be through Host XP
[09:18] <RoyK> linocisco: it should be like running on iron
[09:19] <linocisco> RoyK, umm. it is to test. what do you mean running on IRon?
[09:19] <RoyK> hardware
[09:46] <Tzunamii> bare-metal is the correct phrase :)
[10:18] <ARTSIOM> can someone please explaine me how "su - user" command works. IN documantation is said that "-" option will "Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly.". But this is not the case for me on 12.04. When I am loging in directly with the user I have a different $PATH when I am login in with "su - user"
[10:21] <ikonia> ARTSIOM:  the - assume the new users enviornment
[10:22] <ikonia> ARTSIOM: eg: su artsiom just switches user to artsiom, but keeps the current users environment, su - artsiom changes to the user as if you had logged in as that user
[10:23] <ARTSIOM> ikonia: but this is exactly what is not working for me. When I am loging in with artsiom directly I have a $PATH variable, which differs from the one I get when I login as "su - artsiom"
[10:24] <ikonia> what is the path variable for both
[10:26] <ARTSIOM> when I am login in directly I get $PATH which is defined in /etc/environment, when I am login in with su I get - "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games"
[10:27] <ikonia> where is /usr/local/games etc set, in your .bash_profile (for example)
[10:27] <ikonia> sounds like it's not running a login shell
[10:29] <ARTSIOM>  /usr/local/games etc, is not set in users's  .bashrc and .profile files
[10:30] <ikonia> where is that set then ?
[10:31] <ARTSIOM> it is defined in /etc/login.defs, but I have no idea why it is loaded when using "su - user"
[10:33] <ARTSIOM> I am not even sure that it is really loaded from /etc/login.defs and not from somewhere elese
[10:35] <ikonia> quite surprised by that
[11:19] <RoyK> hm... with encrypted home, google tells me there's an --encrypted-home flag to useradd, but that doesn't seem to be the case for precise
[11:22] <ikonia> RoyK: doesn't core utils have to be built linked against a certain set of libs for that
[11:23] <RoyK> no idea - I just want to create a set of users on this new precise install, and I want their homes to be encrypted, so I'm looking for an easy way
[11:26] <anoman> I have problem with installing ubuntu 12.04 server using usb keyboard
[11:27] <RoyK> anoman: hm... has worked for me a few times... perhaps BIOS is set to USB legacy?
[11:28] <RoyK> not that that should matter
[11:28] <RoyK> just guessing
[11:29] <anoman> I have try but not working
[11:30] <RoyK> please check if usb legacy is set in BIOS - it might help to change that setting's status
[11:33] <anoman> when entering the BIOS settings to run normally, but when it entered the keyboard is not detected in ubuntu
[11:33] <RoyK> but did you check that setting?
[11:33] <anoman> yes
[11:34] <RoyK> and what was it set to? and did you try to change it?
[11:34] <anoman> I do many time for sure
[11:34] <RoyK> ok
[11:34] <RoyK> dunno, then
[11:34] <anoman> USB key board detected
[11:37] <zul> hallyn: i have libvirt 0.9.12 working i just need to clean things up
[11:42] <anoman> some one
[13:16] <hallyn> zul: cool, so do you have that based on upstream, not the debian 0.9.12-rc2 right?
[13:16] <zul> hallyn: upstream
[13:23] <hallyn> i've gotta start by ...  figuring out where to start.  would like to start the whole qemu re-do (as early as possible) but don't think i can do that yet
[13:23] <zul> basically i took whats in the archive right now and a big hammer
[13:25] <hallyn> what could go wrong?
[13:29] <zul> hallyn: not a big enough hammer
[13:49] <mboeru> hello huys
[13:49] <RoyK> http://imgur.com/vWIul
[13:50] <mboeru> has anyone succesfully managed to setup raid using kickstart/kickseed/preseed when deploying any ubuntu sever version?
[13:51] <mboeru> sooo I'm guessing no one
[13:52] <RoyK> !patience
[13:53] <mboeru> oh i am patient :) also searched
[13:53] <mboeru> thanks
[13:57] <ARTSIOM> can someone please explaine me how "su - user" command works. In documantation it is said that "-" option will "Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly.". But this is not the case for me on 12.04. When I am loging in directly with the user I have a $PATH, which differs from the one I get when login in with "su - user"
[14:01] <xnox> ARTSIOM: ...hence _similar_ =)
[14:02] <xnox> try `sudo -i -u user'
[14:50] <frankban> hi hallyn, yesterday I attached a patch to bug 994752: it contains lxc-ip and an updated version of lxc-start-ephemeral.
[14:51] <hallyn> frankban: yup, i saw it, haven't opened it yet (was out yesterday)  thanks for that
[14:52] <frankban> hallyn: thank you for taking a look at that
[15:17] <randomDude> I'm trying to pxe boot install _alot_ of workstations, i have pxe working... but preseed REFUSES to work! pxe boot config : http://pastebin.com/0Qu84GiP, preseed : http://pastebin.com/VNZBmXSb
[15:19] <roaksoax> randomDude: you might wanna look at http://bit.ly/uinstall
[15:19] <roaksoax> and compare your preseed
[15:20] <randomDude> i'm looking at that
[15:20] <roaksoax> randomDude: and we cannot help if we don't know what the error is if you don't show us an error
[15:20] <randomDude> well i can't _ show _ the error
[15:21] <randomDude> it keeps saying i don't have a cd inserted
[15:22] <randomDude> i think i've lost 5 hours of my life trying to make this work
[15:22] <roaksoax> randomDude: why don't you just use MAAS?
[15:23] <roaksoax> randomDude: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS
[15:25] <randomDude> because i want desktops?
[15:25] <randomDude> not servers?
[15:25] <roaksoax> randomDude: then you just add the ubuntu-desktop metapackage in /var/lib/cobbler/snippets/maas_client_packages and that's it?
[15:26] <roaksoax> randomDude: http://askubuntu.com/questions/127313/how-do-i-add-different-packages-to-maas-clients-on-installation
[15:26] <randomDude> and learning how to use maas represents a much larger investment of time where as to get this preseed to work *should* be as *simple* as one variable...
[15:26] <randomDude> yeah no, i don't have the time to learn how to use cobbler, orchestra and puppet etc etc
[15:27] <roaksoax> randomDude: have you compared your preseed with the one I linked you?
[15:27] <randomDude> not to mention all the _undocumented_ bugs that go with them
[15:27] <randomDude> roaksoax: that preseed you linked is for 7.04
[15:27] <randomDude> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[15:28] <roaksoax> randomDude: no it is not
[15:28] <roaksoax> randomDude: try this: d-icdrom-detect/ejectboolean true
[15:28] <roaksoax> randomDude: try this: d-i cdrom-detect/ejectboolean true
[15:29] <roaksoax> randomDude: i'm guessing you configured BIOS to boot for PXE first instead from cdrom right?
[15:29] <randomDude> obviously
[15:29] <roaksoax> randomDude: try this: d-i cdrom-detect/eject boolean true
[15:30] <roaksoax> randomDude: even with a minimal preseed file the installer will continue asking questions
[15:30] <roaksoax> randomDude: I recommend you look at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2012/01/ubuntu-quick-installation-preseed-link.html
[15:31] <mdeslaur> hallyn: how is bug 999681 a virt-manager bug, if virsh doesn't show them either?
[15:31] <roaksoax> randomDude: go to the line: d-ipkgsel/include string byobu vim openssh-server and add "d-ipkgsel/include string byobu vim openssh-server ubuntu-desktop" and if you follow what's specified there in the blogpost, you should have an installation with no questions asks at all
[15:31] <hallyn> mdeslaur: bc virt-manager isn't actually creating them?  i'm going to mark it as also affecting libvirt, was just in the middle of replying
[15:31] <roaksoax> randomDude: *and* this is *NOT* for a 7.04 as you mentioned above
[15:32] <randomDude> still thinks there is a cdrom to use
[15:32] <hallyn> i like to do things in as many steps as possible
[15:32] <mdeslaur> hallyn: well, he does say the xml files are in the directory...but I'll follow the bug too, thanks
[15:32] <hallyn> oh i missed that bit
[15:33] <randomDude> roaksoax: what am i supposed to do with this blog post you sent me to that just links me to the first url you sent me to ?
[15:34] <mdeslaur> hallyn: sorry, I'm not trying to play the bug bounce game, I was just curious if I had missed something :)
[15:34] <hallyn> no, i'm just doing things in silly orders while catching up on email
[15:35] <roaksoax> randomDude: this is how my pxe file looks like: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/989101/
[15:36] <roaksoax> randomDude: using a netboot image on a tftp server rather than nfsroot as you are trying to
[15:36] <randomDude> roaksoax: remember i want to install desktops not servers
[15:36] <roaksoax> randomDude: which I suggest you use (a netboot image)
[15:37] <roaksoax> randomDude: installing the desktop is simply adding 1 package to the package list (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:37] <roaksoax> randomDude: and you tell what packages to install in the preseed file
[15:39] <roaksoax> randomDude: i have never pxe booted from a live image so I can't help you with that. I, however, would suggest you use the netboot image, grab the preseed as linked above, add ubuntu-desktop to the package list and that'd be it
[15:39] <hallyn> stgraber: is bug 999187 related to the sources.list but you mentioned before wrt amd64?
[15:39] <stoned> hi
[15:40] <randomDude> roaksoax: i am using the alertnate iso
[15:40] <randomDude> roaksoax: also alot of the settings in that preseed are unsuitable for desktop
[15:40] <stoned> I need to setup mod_wsgi w/ python 2.7 on lucid. I came in here last night and I was told that backporting it to lucid would be a very difficult task. I could try to build python 2.7 from source or install a PPA. How would I then configure mod_wsgi to use the 2.7 python instead? please advise
[15:41] <stgraber> hallyn: yes, that's exactly what I fixed in quantal
[15:41] <randomDude> roaksoax: so i used your preseed, and it still freaks out that it can't mount a cd rom
[15:42] <randomDude> roaksoax: should i press the left key and select <yes> try looking for the cdrom again? or should i press the right key and select <no>
[15:42] <randomDude> roaksoax: does this explain the error enough for you yet?
[15:42] <hallyn> stgraber: was there an open bug for the q one?
[15:43] <stgraber> hallyn: I don't think so, I just saw it when doing something else in the template and fixed it immediately
[15:44] <stgraber> hallyn: btw, for some reason -ubuntu55 was removed from -proposed. I poked cjwatson to have it published again :)
[15:44] <roaksoax> randomDude: again, I have not tested this on an alternate cd. I have tested this on a netboot image
[15:44] <Daviey> zul: you are chairig the meeting?
[15:44] <zul> am i?
[15:44] <hallyn> stgraber: ok thanks, guess we'll add that one to the list to sru in 56 :)
[15:44] <Daviey> zul: rota seems to suggest that?
[15:45] <stgraber> hallyn: well, actually, I think you could just re-upload -ubuntu55 with that extra change as according to LP our current -ubuntu55 was "removed from disk" :)
[15:45] <randomDude> roaksoax: i thought alternate iso was meant to be used with preseed
[15:45] <zul> Daviey: who was the last one?
[15:45] <hallyn> feh.  not sure i have access to my copy of 55 right now
[15:45] <stoned> I need to setup mod_wsgi w/ python 2.7 on lucid. I came in here last night and I was told that backporting it to lucid would be a very difficult task. I could try to build python 2.7 from source or install a PPA. How would I then configure mod_wsgi to use the 2.7 python instead? please advise
[15:46] <stgraber> hallyn: wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/lxc/0.7.5-3ubuntu55/+files/lxc_0.7.5-3ubuntu55.dsc https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/lxc/0.7.5-3ubuntu55/+files/lxc_0.7.5-3ubuntu55.debian.tar.gz https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/lxc/0.7.5-3ubuntu55/+files/lxc_0.7.5.orig.tar.gz
[15:46] <stoned> If I build python 2.7 from source, and then build mod_wsgi from source and link against 2.7 python, do you think that would work?
[15:46] <Daviey> zul: i have NFI, i just know that your name is now there.. is that wrong?
[15:46] <zul> Daviey: i have no idea
[15:46] <Daviey> zul: i think it was utlemming
[15:46] <hallyn> i see i thought i'td gotten deleted :)  ok thanks
[15:46] <zul> Daviey: ill chair the meeting though
[15:47] <stgraber> hallyn: the binaries have, apparently the source is still around :)
[15:47] <Daviey> zul: super.. we'll i'm not going to be able to be entirely there..  Can you ensure that "Quantal Development".. has a strong focus on blueprint writing.. Would be good to be in a position to be able to review them next meeting.  Ta!
[15:48] <roaksoax> randomDude: yes, but in your particular case, cdrom question being asked sounds to me like something is missing in the preseed, or maybe is due to a kernel argument, or its because you are booting from nfsroot
[15:48] <zul> Daviey: ack
[15:48] <stgraber> hallyn: actually, let me do it quickly, I'll stack an -ubuntu56 entry on top of our -ubuntu55 and use -v to include both entries in the changelog
[15:48] <stgraber> will be cleaner and may avoid some LP weirdness caused by the removal
[15:48] <hallyn> stgraber: ok.  thanks.  (i assume 0081-fix-multiarch-install was the actual fix - but will let you :)
[15:51] <Bilge> So I just upgraded from 10 to 12 LTS
[15:51] <Bilge> There's a few mysterious packages appeared in aptitude that think they have been selected for installation
[15:51] <stoned> What if I install a latest ubuntu chroot inside lucid
[15:51] <stoned> install 2.7 python and apache there
[15:51] <Bilge> Like mbr and g++-4.4
[15:51] <Bilge> Should I install these or is it fine to just deselect the,?
[15:51] <Bilge> them*
[15:51] <stoned> and serve apache out of there and point the traffic there
[15:52] <stoned> Either no one knows, or no one cares to tell me.
[15:52] <stoned> :(
[15:57] <rbasak> Any comment on how to SRU bug 988819 please? I've written up the options I can think of in #6, but I don't like any of them. Is there anything else we can do?
[15:58] <EvilResistance> rbasak:  if you have a patch to solve this then it could be more capable of SRUing
[15:58] <EvilResistance> SRUs usually arent version upgrades, so if you proposed that, well...
[15:58] <EvilResistance> ah
[15:58] <rbasak> EvilResistance: the question is how to write the patch. I've detailed options in the bug.
[15:59] <EvilResistance> rbasak:  was this fixed in Quantal?
[15:59] <EvilResistance> or rather, is this fixed in QUantal
[15:59] <rbasak> EvilResistance: it will be when packages are synced from Debian, yes
[16:00] <EvilResistance> is it fixed in this?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modsecurity-apache/2.6.5-2
[16:00] <EvilResistance> sincie that was synced from Sid recently
[16:01] <rbasak> The fix will need an apache2 merge, too.
[16:01] <rbasak> I should do that.
[16:01] <EvilResistance> should probably fix it in Quantal before you start looking at SRUing to Precise
[16:02] <EvilResistance> the last SRU-ish-related thing i dealt with for Precise (I'm on BugSquad so i see these sometimes), the fix had to exist in Quantal, so...
[16:02] <hallyn> stgraber: say, i forgot to add 'generalize apparmor patch to enable selinux' to the lxc blueprint.  do you object to my adding it to the action list (for myself)?
[16:02] <rbasak> Yes, it's a requirement to have it fixed in Quantal before upload. Doesn't mean that I can't work on both at once :)
[16:02] <EvilResistance> :P
[16:03] <rbasak> Here, the fix for Q is trivial as it's in Debian. The SRU is more involved.
[16:03] <EvilResistance> mh,
[16:03] <EvilResistance> mhm*
[16:06] <stgraber> hallyn: I certainly don't have a problem with you adding more work to your own todo list ;)
[16:07] <hallyn> kthx
[16:08] <EvilResistance> and, there it goes :P
[16:09] <blkperl> can someone set the importance of bug 932064
[16:09] <EvilResistance> blkperl:  to?
[16:09] <EvilResistance> actually lemme see
[16:09]  * EvilResistance is on BUgSquad and can get it triaged if needed
[16:09] <blkperl> EvilResistance: i would say high, it prevents amanda from working on precise
[16:10] <blkperl> works on oneiric and quantal :S
[16:10] <EvilResistance> blkperl:  refer to this first
[16:10] <EvilResistance> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modsecurity-apache/2.6.5-2
[16:10] <EvilResistance> erm
[16:10] <EvilResistance> wait
[16:10] <EvilResistance> sorry
[16:10] <EvilResistance> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[16:10] <EvilResistance> mispaste
[16:10] <stoned> If I build python 2.7 from source, and then build mod_wsgi from source and link against 2.7 python, do you think that would work?
[16:10] <EvilResistance> refer to that page first, then confirm you recommend high
[16:10] <stoned> I need to setup mod_wsgi w/ python 2.7 on lucid. I came in here last night and I was told that backporting it to lucid would be a very difficult task. I could try to build python 2.7 from source or install a PPA. How would I then configure mod_wsgi to use the 2.7 python instead? please advise
[16:11] <blkperl> EvilResistance: ok then yes, it has a severe impact on a small portion of ubuntu server users
[16:11] <blkperl> so importance High please
[16:12] <EvilResistance> blkperl:  does it also prevent the application (and/or dependencies) from working?
[16:12] <EvilResistance> nevermind
[16:12]  * EvilResistance answered his own question
[16:14] <autif> I installed matchbox window manager (on 12.04) - however, after reboot - matchbox did not come up - what else do I need to wire matchbox, so that it starts on reboot?
[16:17] <EvilResistance> blkperl:  refresh the bug, it should be high now
[16:18] <EvilResistance> s/high/Importance: High/
[16:19] <blkperl> EvilResistance: thanks, appreciate the assistance
[16:28] <stgraber> hallyn: ubuntu56 is now in proposed
[16:30] <hallyn> stgraber: cool, thanks
[16:31] <smb> zul, smoser So just to repeat, there likely will still be a linux-virtual and linux-image-virtual meta-package. As there is still those for linux-server and linux-image-server. Just pointing to generic binary packages
[16:31] <smoser> right.
[16:31] <smoser> i know.
[16:32] <smoser> but its still a change. if nothing else, there will no longer be /boot/vmlinux-*-virtual anymore
[16:33] <smb> Yes, true. Just mention it as the discussion about detecting a server install went slightly confusing (at least for me)
[16:33] <pdtpatrick> So here's an interesting question - if ubuntu by default sets up the first user with sudo access rather than create a root account (disabled by default), how can u boot into recovery mode and drop to a root shell if the root account has no password/disabled ?
[16:44] <claude2_> anyone here know how to lock down rpcbind and all the NFS stuff to a specific interface?
[16:47] <pdtpatrick> claude2_: check /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server
[16:47] <claude2_> this is for the client side
[16:47] <claude2_> do i even need rpcbind on the client side?
[16:48] <pdtpatrick>  then /etc/default/nfs-common ?
[16:49] <claude2_> yeah i checked there, but didnt see anything in there. I guess it might not be possible
[16:49] <claude2_>  i can't find anything on google either
[16:49] <pdtpatrick> check the meta package and see what it installed
[16:53] <pdtpatrick> if on the server u only installed nfs-kernel-server then see whether that pulled in anything else
[16:53] <pdtpatrick> apt-rdepends <packagename>
[16:53] <pdtpatrick> or u can search for rpc  .. dpkg -l *rpc*
[17:28] <nijaba> zul: hello.  Are we tracking bug #920197 ?
[17:29] <zul> nijaba: now we are
[17:30] <nijaba> zul: thanks :)
[17:34] <pdtpatrick> hmmm MaaS's python script will hang if u've already have an OS installed rather than starting anew. For some reason it tries to use "maas" user to configure postgres but it never prompted to set that up or grant it privileges nor does it state what credentials it is trying to use so you end up with a Traceback and it does not exit. Not cool
[17:34] <pdtpatrick> will have to run it with strace
[17:35] <RoyK> evening
[17:36] <RoyK> anyone that knows how I can have ubuntu /etc/skel include a symlink, public_html -> /var/www/$username ? or should I script that somehow?
[17:38] <nathwill> RoyK, i think that's easier done with apache directive: UserDir public_html ?
[17:38] <RoyK> nathwill: doesn't work too well with homedir encryption ;)
[17:39] <ikonia> should do
[17:39] <ikonia> as the user will decrypt it
[17:39] <RoyK> while logged in, obviously, but not after logging out
[17:39] <RoyK> since that will umount the user's filesystem
[17:39] <RoyK> for obvious reasons
[17:39]  * RoyK just checked
[17:39] <ikonia> ah, I see what you mean
[17:40] <nathwill> hrm
[17:41] <RoyK> nathwill: less point of having homedir encryption if it's mounted all the time
[17:41] <nathwill> yeah, agreed
[17:42] <nathwill> i'm wondering if you can get /etc/default/useradd to run scripts...
[17:42] <nathwill> looking now...
[17:42] <nathwill> because putting this in /etc/skel i don't think is going to work since the target is different per user
[17:42] <RoyK> yeah, agreed
[17:44] <nathwill> so... i'm seeing discussion of some concept of dynamic symlinks that will create the target if it does not exist...
[17:44] <nathwill> may be worth investigating
[17:46] <nathwill> only other thing i can think of is a cronjob... :(
[17:49] <RoyK> nathwill: or a wrapper script
[17:49] <nathwill> royk, yeah...
[17:49] <RoyK> damn - should have been a trigger for a custom script in useradd
[17:52] <hallyn> zul: would you mind looking at and considering sponsoring http://people.canonical.com/~serge/dialog.debdiff ?
[17:52] <zul> hallyn: sure
[17:57] <Daviey> hallyn: make sure you submittodebian :)
[17:57] <hallyn> Daviey: did
[17:58] <Daviey> \o/
[18:42] <Ryan_Lane> on all of my precise virtual machines, I'm getting soft lockups like this: http://pastebin.com/m7ZfhQJB
[18:42] <Ryan_Lane> not just for nscd, though. for random processes
[18:43] <Ryan_Lane> hm. ignore me. I seem to be getting them for lucid too
[18:57] <resno> i am getting "temporary failure resolving '*.ubuntu.com'". i am unsure how to correc this. 12.04
[18:58] <zul> smoser: ping
[18:59] <zul> Ryan_Lane: can you trigger it reliably?
[18:59] <Ryan_Lane> well, I think it's due to filesystem operations timing out under very high load
[18:59] <Ryan_Lane> we're using glusterfs underneath the instances, and it is performing terribly
[19:00] <zul> Ryan_Lane: ext4?
[19:00] <zul> Ryan_Lane: er...what fs?
[19:00] <Ryan_Lane> ext4 on the instance, then qcow, then glusterfs, then ext3
[19:01] <zul> Ryan_Lane: can you open up a bug in launchpad please than we can get the kernel team to look at it, or even on #ubuntu-kernel
[19:01] <Ryan_Lane> well, I have a feeling it isn't actually a kernel bug
[19:02] <zul> smoser: ^^^
[19:02] <zul> or utlemming: ^^^
[19:02] <Ryan_Lane> and there's so many levels of indirection that I doubt a report is going to be terribly useful
[19:02] <Ryan_Lane> when we switch off gluster I'll report an issue if we're still having it
[19:02] <zul> k
[19:02] <Ryan_Lane> I have a really good feeling gluster is my issue
[19:11] <veebull> hello, having some trouble getting squid3 set up... client machines are supposed to be set to use a proxy for their updates, but I'm still getting a ton of 403 errors whenever they try to use the squid proxy
[19:23] <RoyK> veebull: does manually setting the proxy work? if so, are the clients listed under the squid ACL in its config?
[19:23] <smoser> zul, whats up?
[19:24] <zul> smoser:  you mentioned last week at uds that you wanted to see the openstack-ci do some benchmarking on the images, what do you mean by that
[19:25] <smoser> veebull, your squid3 ocnfig is probably just not allowing proxying for those hosts (per its config).
[19:25] <zul> hallyn: i should have libvirt up tomorrow so you can review and play with it
[19:25] <veebull> RoyK, So far I just have the default setup - I think I need to define an acl for the local lan
[19:25] <smoser> veebull, you can just install squid-deb-proxy, which is taylored to that, or, you could just look at the config that it uses.
[19:25] <veebull> here is the (stripped) version of my acl:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/989497/
[19:25] <hallyn> zul: cool, thanks.
[19:26] <veebull> smoser, already have squid-deb-proxy running for the ubuntu-based vms... trying to set up 'regular' squid to work with the RH-based distros
[19:26] <smoser> zul, i meant that if we're running some instances in a per-every-something (commit, day....) then we might as well be running some thing inside those instances, and timing how long that something takes.
[19:27] <zul> smoser: ah ok
[19:27] <smoser> which would potentially give us insight into a kvm performance enhancement, regression, change...
[19:27] <smoser> (but it will unfortunately be hard to isolate the numbers as we have no way that i know of to get a consistent host environment ... ie, one day 2 guests may go to 1 host, the next to a different one)
[19:28] <smoser> veebull, ah... i suggest just removing the RH-based distros.
[19:28] <smoser> thats the easiest thing to do :)
[19:29] <veebull> smoser, true... but probably not going to happen ;)
[19:30] <RoyK> veebull: vi /etc/squid/squid.conf, look for acl
[19:30] <veebull> I've edited their /etc/yum.conf files to point to a proxy @ 'http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3128', which is the ubuntu server address on the lan
[19:30] <RoyK> veebull: default config is to only allow access from localhost
[19:31] <veebull> RoyK, ah.  un commented the line to allow squid to use a disk cache, now I need to set up a lan acl, yes?
[19:31] <RoyK> yep
[19:31] <RoyK> create an acl for lan
[19:32] <RoyK> and set allow on that named acl later
[19:32] <veebull> cool, I'll give it a go.
[19:32] <RoyK> veebull: the config file is rather self-explainatory if you try to read it ;)
[19:34] <veebull> yeah... I hate it when people say 'TLDR'... but this may be one of those times.
[19:34] <veebull> more a case of the colors used on the terminal screen I'm on make reading comments very difficult
[19:34] <veebull> on the eyes.
[19:35] <Destreyf> I was wondering if anyone had any idea's on how to handle nodes that do not appear in the dashboard.  I used the enlist feature on Ubuntu ISO, the environment looked like it provisioned, but it hasn't shown up in the MAAS node panel yet.
[19:38] <claude2_> is it a risk to have portmap exposed to the internet?
[19:38] <claude2_> err rpcbind i guess
[19:38] <claude2_> like can it leak anything important?
[19:39] <RoyK> veebull: with vim, :set background=dark
[19:39] <RoyK> claude2_: historically, portmap has been rather bad, but I don't think much bad has happened the last five years, at last
[19:41] <claude2_> RoyK: we've got internal and external interfaces on our NFS clients. I've been searching all day for a way to make it only listen to the internal interface
[19:43] <RoyK> claude2_: ufw/iptables is quite easy to use in that respect
[19:44] <claude2_> yeah I'm trying to do it without iptables first for political reasons
[19:44] <RoyK> I think it uses tcpwrappers as well
[19:44] <RoyK> might be more politically correct ;)
[19:45] <claude2_> haha yeah. I saw that somewhere, but haven't been able to make it work yet. I'll keep fiddling
[19:45] <claude2_> thanks
[19:45] <RoyK> edit /etc/hosts.deny
[19:48] <veebull> RoyK, adding that acl did the trick, thanks!
[19:49] <Gojko> anyone here that can help about installing ubuntu server installation on old HP proliant server
[19:49] <RoyK> !ask
[19:49] <Gojko> !patience
[19:51] <Gojko> !ask
[19:51] <stoned> hey guys
[19:51] <stoned> http://pastie.org/3916869 here is my problem in pastebin. Could anyone kindly take a look and please advise?
[19:52] <stoned> I require a solution to this problem
[19:52] <qman__> stoned, if it's chrooted and running on a different port, you just point to the different port
[19:53] <qman__> in that configuration the ports define which to ask
[19:53] <RoyK> stoned: I don't think "requiring" a solution will work too well in here ;)
[19:53] <stoned> Would you kindly help me find a resouce online that sheds more liehg on this
[19:54] <qman__> building a chroot is complicated and difficult, though
[19:54] <stoned> everywhere it's about mod chroot for apache
[19:54] <Gojko> well,i guess i havent said what is problem,apparently it seems i need drivers for a scsi controler,i have tried with installing CentOS 6.2 but it did not recognise any disks in system,and since i am very uninformed with this , if there is any1 that can point me out any kind of info i can use to solve this,atm i am downloading nev ubuntu server,with hope it will recognise my controller,or
[19:54] <Gojko> if there are any additional drivers needed,anyone could point me out to any info
[19:55] <stoned> not quite that difficult I just need a refresher
[19:55] <stoned> debootstrap latest ubuntu, mount binds the device tree and other things
[19:55] <qman__> you have to build a base environment in a directory
[19:55] <stoned> I can't remember all the things
[19:56] <RoyK> Gojko: those hp servers may come with a raid controller, which should be supported, but will need to be configured to export the drives either individually (JBOD) or as a RAID
[19:56] <RoyK> Gojko: you can usually configure that with the "smart start" CD
[19:56] <qman__> Gojko, depends on how new/old it is and which raid controller
[19:58] <RoyK> qman__: for an "old" HP server, I think those should be supported. My guess is that the hardware RAID isn't configured
[19:59] <qman__> probably, but I've also seen some cases where old SCSI drivers aren't loaded by default because they conflict with other things
[19:59] <claude2_> RoyK: does the nfs client really need portmap/rpcbind anyway?
[19:59] <RoyK> claude2_: iirc yes
[19:59] <qman__> yes
[20:07] <Gojko> huh,alot info at start,RoyK i bought this server as "used" so i dont have any CD or documentation that should or should not have came with it
[20:08] <Gojko> @:qman__ i can check what controler is in,but my best guess so far is googling compatibility and trying different versions of distros
[20:08] <qman__> Gojko, have you configured the raid? it prompts you to press a key combo during boot to do so
[20:09] <Gojko> it prompts me to press <ctrl-S> if that is what you mean,ill check it and be back in few sec
[20:09] <qman__> I have a compaq proliant DL380 which more or less works out of the box
[20:10] <qman__> pentium 3 era, only things missing are fan control
[20:10] <claude2_> yeah most likely it will work fine
[20:10] <qman__> not important in a data center or server room
[20:10] <RoyK> Gojko: you can find that smartstart cd with a quick google
[20:10] <qman__> hugely important when you're sitting in front of it
[20:16] <Gojko> well i have checked a bit,server is arround 10 years old so... ill try to find that startsmart CD
[20:17] <claude2_> i think you can just download the newest one?
[20:17] <claude2_> like its not model-specific i dont think
[20:19] <Gojko> well as i said,i am very uninformed about linux,but,since this is for my gamehouse i am holding i want to make it to work as dedicated counterstrike server for my clients.
[20:19] <Gojko> i found this startsmart CD and downloading it
[20:20] <RoyK> try that first :)
[20:20] <Gojko> link is a bit long,if anyone wants to check am i on the right path
[20:20] <Gojko> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=316537&swItem=MTX-597d7cb6b45d493285e27c1412&prodNameId=3279705&swEnvOID=181&swLang=8&taskId=135&mode=4&idx=1
[20:20] <RoyK> I'd say try it
[20:20] <RoyK> it's quite possible that none of us has your hardware
[20:22] <qman__> that should do
[20:22] <Gojko> well, i cannot afford some fancy expencive server so this one will be more than good to do it,and i dont want to put windows on it,i wand best for my customers ;)
[20:22] <qman__> though I have to ask, counter strike 1.6? otherwise it may not be fast enough
[20:22] <qman__> game servers are a heavy CPU load
[20:23] <Gojko> yes 1.6
[20:23] <qman__> ok
[20:23] <Gojko> WELL
[20:23] <Gojko> ON INTEL G620
[20:23] <Gojko> soz caps
[20:23] <RoyK> !caps
[20:23] <RoyK> :)
[20:24] <Gojko> 2 servers+cafe software+AVP+ deepfreeze console and i have servers on 1000 FPS so i think i can hold 4 servers here if on linux
[20:24] <Gojko> any1 can give opinion
[20:25] <RoyK> what sort of server is this?
[20:27] <Gojko> dedicated CS server
[20:27] <Gojko> only thing it will serve for
[20:28] <RoyK> just wondering about cpu+memory+ec
[20:28] <RoyK> just wondering about cpu+memory+etc
[20:28] <Gojko> in your opinion,can it hold 4 srv on 1000 FPS,since i will not use it for anything else
[20:29] <RoyK> you still haven't said what sort of cpu it has or how much memory it's got...
[20:31] <Gojko> 1 Gb RAM,xeon 2.8
[20:31] <Gojko> it is ml350 g3
[20:32] <RoyK> not a whole lot, but then, I don't know much about gaming servers
[20:32] <qman__> single or dual xeon, how many cores
[20:32] <qman__> may not be enough RAM for four, not sure
[20:33]  * RoyK somewhat doubts those CPUs are multicore
[20:34] <Gojko> i think single,i can get another 1 Gb
[20:34] <qman__> one single core may not be enough either, but it'll be close
[20:34] <RoyK> - Up to 1 GB of 2-way interleaving capable PC2100 DDR SDRAM, with Advanced ECC capabilities (Expandable to 8GB)
[20:34] <Gojko> it is delivered with 1 gb,supports up to 8
[20:35] <qman__> best to just try it and find out, since you already have the server
[20:35] <RoyK> most cheap laptops may beat that :)
[20:35] <qman__> monitor resources and load up the servers
[20:36] <RoyK> qman__++
[20:36] <qman__> true, but most cheap laptops don't have raid, remote management cards, or cost $20 like my P3 did
[20:37] <RoyK> indeed, but then, if you don't need hw raid or remote management, a cheap mobo, cpu and memory will go a long way
[20:38] <qman__> yep
[20:38] <RoyK> sw raid may be just as good as hw raid in most cases
[20:38] <Gojko> well as qman__ said, it was BANG for a BUCK ;)
[20:39] <qman__> I'm running a minecraft server on just such a setup, a sempron "single core" am3
[20:39] <qman__> which is actually dual core, and running at ~3.5GHz instead of the default 2.7
[20:46] <Gojko> well i guess i gotta try to get it up and running first,it is easiest for me to put load on it,so ill first download all of these isos and after that i will try to get it working
[21:31] <blendedbychris> if i am getting mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported what should i be looking for
[21:31] <blendedbychris> mount -o proto=tcp,nfsvers=3 -t nfs sld-web-4:/srv /srv.gluster
[21:39] <pdtpatrick> blendedbychris: maybe it wants to use version 4 instead of 3 ?
[22:02] <blendedbychris> pdtpatrick: no?
[22:04] <pdtpatrick> what version of NFS do u have installed?
[22:04] <blendedbychris> pdtpatrick: it's just nfs-common on precise so i pressume its v3 and v4
[22:04] <blendedbychris> from man
[22:05] <rockets> How is this information generated on login? Is there a way I can edit what shows up? http://pastie.org/3917485
[22:06] <pdtpatrick> rockets: look in /etc/update-motd.d
[22:07] <rockets> pdtpatrick, thanks!
[22:25] <rockets> pdtpatrick, actually it appears to be non-trivial to edit. hmm
[22:25] <blendedbychris> pdtpatrick: is it true that nfs-common should support either version?
[22:25] <pdtpatrick> right but why are you trying to use version 3 ? does it work with version 4 ?
[22:26] <blendedbychris> gluster doesn't support v4
[22:26] <blendedbychris> http://download.gluster.com/pub/gluster/glusterfs/3.2/Documentation/AG/html/sect-Administration_Guide-GlusterFS_Client-NFS.html#id1720347
[22:27] <pdtpatrick> worked fine on my glusterfs setup. Instead of using nfs
[22:27] <pdtpatrick> i used mount.glusterfs server1:/test-volume /mnt/glusterfs
[22:27] <blendedbychris> what?
[22:28] <blendedbychris> i am trying to specifically use nfs
[22:29] <pdtpatrick> r u on solaris ?
[22:29] <blendedbychris> no
[22:29] <blendedbychris> trying to use nfs because it can help io issues
[22:29] <blendedbychris> instead of mounting using the gluster client
[22:29] <pdtpatrick> I'm only seeing vers=3 mentioned under solaris
[22:30] <pdtpatrick> does this not work for u ? mount -t nfs server1:/test-volume /mnt/glusterfs
[22:30] <blendedbychris> no that times out presumably because it's trying to use udp
[22:31] <blendedbychris> these guys were saying i had to use portmapper
[22:31] <blendedbychris> i wonder if the nfs port is wrong
[22:31] <blendedbychris> tried  :38467 no luck
[22:31] <pdtpatrick> do u get this message ?
[22:31] <pdtpatrick> requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported.
[22:31] <blendedbychris> yes'
[22:32] <blendedbychris> OR if i don't specify the protocol it just times out
[22:32] <blendedbychris> mountproto to be specific
[22:33] <pdtpatrick> mount -o tcp -t nfs server1:/test-volume /mnt/glusterfs
[22:33] <pdtpatrick> btw -- what happens when u run "showmount -e <ipaddr>"
[22:33] <pdtpatrick> do u see any exports ?
[22:33] <blendedbychris> ^^ that's not a valid option
[22:34] <blendedbychris> clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered
[22:34] <blendedbychris> presumably i can use a hostname in that command/
[22:35] <blendedbychris> either way same issue
[22:35] <pdtpatrick> if show mount returns nothing - then there's probably nothing being exported?
[22:35] <blendedbychris> what do you mean by that?
[22:35] <pdtpatrick> on the server ur trying to connect to  -- what does /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server say ?
[22:36] <pdtpatrick> it would tell u the ports and such
[22:36] <pdtpatrick> then in there -- do u have anything in /etc/exports ?
[22:36] <blendedbychris> pdtpatrick: gluster runs the nfs server
[22:36] <blendedbychris> it's a nfs server on it's own
[22:36] <pdtpatrick> thanks for that clarification
[22:40] <pdtpatrick> well I'm out of ideas then.  maybe ask in #gluster  and share your fix when found please
[22:40] <pdtpatrick> also thought current versions of NFS used tcp by default
[22:40] <pdtpatrick> TCP is the default transport protocol used for all modern NFS implementations.   It  performs
[22:40] <pdtpatrick>        well  in  almost  every  conceivable  network  environment  and provides excellent guarantees
[22:40] <pdtpatrick>        against data corruption caused by network unreliability.  TCP  is  often  a  requirement  for
[22:40] <pdtpatrick>        mounting a server through a network firewall.
[22:41] <pdtpatrick> sorry for spam .. was supposed to be paste bin
[22:41] <blendedbychris>  yea i was bugging those guys and it seemed like they were hinting towards "not our problem, it's your lack of nfs knowledge"
[22:41] <blendedbychris> heh
[22:51] <blendedbychris> pdtpatrick:
[22:51] <blendedbychris> doh
[22:51] <blendedbychris> http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Gluster_3.2:_Using_NFS_with_Gluster
[22:53] <pdtpatrick> lol what ?
[22:53] <pdtpatrick> u hadn't brought the volume set up ?
[22:53] <pdtpatrick> :(
[22:53] <blendedbychris> missed the option
[22:53] <blendedbychris> no
[22:53] <blendedbychris> nfs is disabled by default apparently
[22:53] <pdtpatrick> well that's interesting
[22:53] <pdtpatrick> so what makes u think u get better io ?
[22:54] <blendedbychris> Using a platform's native NFS client will result in best performance when reading many small files (web serving). However, no automatic fail-over will happen in case of brick failure.
[22:54] <blendedbychris> docs say so? heh
[22:54] <pdtpatrick> on small files yes
[22:54] <pdtpatrick> because gluster using xattr
[22:54] <blendedbychris> well that's my usecase
[22:54] <pdtpatrick> i c
[22:54] <pdtpatrick> well looks like ur all set :)
[22:54] <blendedbychris> indeed
[22:54] <blendedbychris> thanks for your persistence :)
[22:55] <pdtpatrick> np, glad to have "tried" to help
[23:07] <sako> hey guys, i rolled my own repo with reprepro, what's the easiest way to pin it so apt prefers any package in my custom repo over all others?
[23:09] <qman__> sako, make your version numbers higher than those in the public repos
[23:09] <sako> HUH
[23:09] <sako> oops sorry for caps
[23:10] <sako> isn't there a way to pin all packages from a repo with 999 or whatever the highest # is so that apt will always install it over other repos?
[23:14] <qman__> sako, not that I'm aware of, you set that per-package when you create them
[23:14] <sako> hmm i don't think so.. i found the man file
[23:14] <sako> man apt_preferences
[23:15] <sako> thanks
[23:18] <nathwill> sako: crunchbanglinux.org/forums has some pretty detailed apt-pinning guides for debian
[23:19] <nathwill> i imagine a lot of that would apply
[23:35] <three18ti> In a local network, how can I configure DNS so I can address each host by host name instead of by IP?  Initially, I had thought if running a dedicated DNS server, but this will require configuring the DNS for each new guest, and I'd like something more automatic.  I would prefer not to use DHCP for addressing my hosts.
[23:39] <ikonia> you need a name service such as dns / ldap and you either need to use dhcp to update, or your need to manually manipulate the name service record for each new host
[23:45] <postpac1> i'm running 12.04 desktop but having some raid/mdadm issues and #ubuntu suggested someone here might have more experience in that area.  basically my raid 5 was working perfectly, i upgraded to 12.04 from 11.10, and as soon as i rebooted everything went to hell.  mdadm is saying all 3 disks have wrong raid level and can't assemble mbr metadata
[23:58] <three18ti> ikonia, ok, thanks.  That's kinda what I was thinking, but was hoping someone had some magic.


[00:16] <jonrafkind> I just got a rejection mesage from launchpad: Not permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a series in the 'SUPPORTED' state.
[00:16] <jonrafkind> I have uploaded packages before to this ppa, why do I now get this error?
[00:16] <wgrant> jonrafkind: You tried to upload to the Ubuntu primary archive, not your PPA.
[00:16] <lifeless> are you sure you uploaded to a PPA ?
[00:16] <jonrafkind> oh.. do'h
[03:09] <share> hi
[03:27] <share> your website doesn't work wells with images enabled in firefox 9.0.1
[03:27] <share> LMAO.
[03:27] <share> I thought it was a javascript issue
[03:28] <share> solution: block images for bugs.launchpad.net
[03:30] <lifeless> uhm, you might like to file a bug on firefox, if its not the existing sprite one
[03:31] <share> funny because at #firefox they told me to file a bug for launchpad in launchpad
[03:31] <lifeless> bug 744808
[03:32] <share> lifeless: :)
[03:32] <wgrant> That's a video driver bug.
[03:32] <lifeless> which matches the symptoms share is describing
[03:32] <wgrant> Has affected the proprietary nvidia and ati drivers, AIUI.
[03:32] <share> lifeless: yep, images
[03:33] <wgrant> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629234
[03:33] <lifeless> wgrant: some of yes - for instance, I don't see it on my non-intel machines around here
[03:33] <wgrant> lifeless: It used to hit fglrx, but hasn't for a couple of years.
[03:33] <wgrant> And I don't have any nvidia machines around to test.
[03:34] <share> ubuntu 10.10 32bit firefox 9.0.1 nvidia 260.19 intel cpu
[03:34] <wgrant> Right, nvidia :)
[03:34] <wgrant> See the Firefox bug I linked.
[03:34] <share> :(
[03:34] <share> :)
[03:34] <wgrant> Firefox + nvidia proprietary driver + large images == slow
[03:44] <micahg> I don't seem to have the issue
[03:45] <micahg> ah, I better try before I say that :)
[03:45] <micahg> ooh, timeout :)
[03:46] <micahg> launchpad also shows as having a high JS memory count in Firefox, but I think that's a firefox bug
[03:50] <rick_h__> yea, there's some known issues with large image sprites. I've not looked at how large the ones on LP are
[03:50] <rick_h__> funny that it hits driver issues ugh
[03:51] <micahg> want an OOPS, I see 2 other bugs for the same page type
[03:51] <wgrant> What's the OOPS ID?
[03:51] <micahg> OOPS-952dd9f2043534d60ef757892b905c6c
[03:51] <micahg> the bug listed there is a lie
[03:52] <wgrant> It usually is :(
[03:52] <wgrant> Non-sql time: 6729 ms
[03:52] <wgrant> ouch
[03:52] <wgrant> Oh
[03:52] <wgrant> It's that bug.
[03:53] <wgrant> With heaps of attachments and comments, and many dupes.
[03:53] <lifeless> micahg: JS memory is an LP bug
[03:54] <lifeless> micahg: we don't do things very efficiently
[03:55] <rick_h__> I need to find a partner for removing mochikit next week. lifeless who else besides me/deryck are JS fans?
[03:55] <lifeless> wgrant sinzui gary benji
[03:55] <rick_h__> ty much
[03:55] <lifeless> are the first four names to come to mind
[03:55] <lifeless> abentley
[03:55] <lifeless> I'm going to stop now, before I list the whole team
[03:55] <StevenK> sinzui has been wanting to kill mochi for years
[03:55] <wgrant> rick_h__: An excellent plan.
[03:56] <wgrant> rick_h__: Even better if we can kill YUI2 as well (we only use it for its calendar widget)
[03:56] <rick_h__> I've got deryck reviewing my removing the old inlinehelp stuff
[03:57] <wgrant> YUI3ifying it?
[03:57] <rick_h__> wgrant: cool, interesting in pariing up for it
[03:57] <rick_h__> wgrant: yea
[03:57] <rick_h__> wgrant: new yui3 module in lp/app/js
[03:57] <wgrant> Great.
[03:57] <rick_h__> https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/port_inlinehelp_907443/+merge/87384
[03:58]  * StevenK points rick_h__ at -dev
[03:58] <rick_h__> right, sorry StevenK, running with the convo
[04:11] <micahg> wgrant: sorry, was disconnected, Bug #726370 or Bug #724025 seem to be more likely
[04:12] <micahg> lifeless: should I file a bug fo rthe JS stuff?
[04:13] <lifeless> micahg: I think there is one, but if you can't find it, by all means
[04:31] <kokoye2007> Who is can help. PPA upload for
[04:34] <EvilResistance> are you asking for help with a PPA upload?
[04:36] <kokoye2007> EvilResistance: Yes Sir
[04:37] <kokoye2007> i can upload and Success at Terminal. but no email and no change on My PPA
[04:38] <EvilResistance> kokoye2007:  did you wait at least 5 minutes?
[04:38] <EvilResistance> kokoye2007:  it takes at least 5 minutes for the upload checkers to detect the upload
[04:39] <kokoye2007> EvilResistance:  Okie
[04:40] <EvilResistance> micahg:  is signing the Ubuntu CoC required for using PPAs?
[04:41] <micahg> idr
[04:41] <StevenK> It is, yes.
[04:42] <kokoye2007> EvilResistance: Yes My sign CoC
[04:42] <kokoye2007>  7D42A81A is my key
[04:43]  * EvilResistance was just checking :P
[04:50] <EvilResistance> kokoye2007:  if you didnt get the email by now something must be up with the package
[04:50] <kokoye2007> EvilResistance:  how to check ?
[04:51] <kokoye2007> recheck to package ?
[04:52] <kokoye2007> thz EvilResistance
[04:52] <kokoye2007> :D
[04:52] <EvilResistance> i'm not sure how you created the package, or what methods you entailed, nor do I know what could have explodified in the package
[04:52] <EvilResistance> or it could be tons of lag today
[04:52] <EvilResistance> (doubts it, he just uploaded 3 package updates)
[04:53] <kokoye2007> :S Thz EvilResistance
[04:53] <kokoye2007> see ya again thz for your kind
[04:54] <EvilResistance> kokoye2007:  did it work?  *assumes it did&
[13:55] <rick_h__> sorry adeuring missed the topic change over
[13:55] <adeuring> rick_h__: no problem :)
[14:05] <mgz> if I visit <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-explorer/+bugs?field.tag=filewatcher> with javascript enabled, the new dynamic bug listings helpfully changes the url to <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-explorer/null>
[14:05] <mgz> is there already a bug open for this?
[14:10] <rick_h__> mgz: checking
[14:12] <rick_h__> mgz: I'm not seeing anything. Can you submit a bug and let me know the number and I'll make sure it gets looked at?
[14:45] <abentley> rick_h__, mgz: could this be https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/897277 ?
[14:48] <mgz> abentley: yup, looks like that
[14:53] <rick_h__> mgz: can you verify your opera version? I'll try to poke at it later and want to make sure I can duplicate it.
[15:01] <mgz> 10.60 but the last comment in the bug abentley says he got it failing with 10.52 too
[15:02] <abentley> mgz, rick_h__: Right, I forgot that I managed to reproduce it later.
[15:07] <abentley> rick_h__: I have a hunch that Opera is using the HistoryHash implementation of History, rather than the HistoryHTML5 version.  If so, fixing it might fix other HistoryHash browsers.
[15:54] <mgz> is there a reason tags used are written into the page with javascript rather than appearing in the html?
[15:54] <mgz> that and the broken hiding css are the only reasons I've ever wanted to enable scripting on launchpad.
[15:55] <mgz> ...in the bugs page that is
[15:57] <deryck> mgz, what do you mean written into page with js?  the type ahead search when adding tags?
[15:58] <mgz> sorry, worded that particularly badly
[15:59] <mgz> if I want the list of bug tags used by a project, the easiest way I've found is to enable js and go to bugs.launchpad.net/project
[15:59] <mgz> then I can click on one to get the all the bugs with that tag
[16:01] <deryck> ah right
[16:01] <mgz> but the tags panel in the right bar is only populated with the tags used via js, unlike the bug status breakdown panel above it
[16:02] <mgz> it's just got the 'Edit official tags' link in the markup
[16:04] <deryck> yeah, and we're only heading more and more into the js-enabled direction.  not the other way.
[16:04] <deryck> but I did think the counts above it were loaded via ajax too
[16:06] <dobey> you can just hit the API?
[16:11] <mgz> launchpad can't break the navigation if I don't let it run js :)
[16:12] <mgz> it's also way faster.
[16:12] <deryck> mgz, how does lp break navigation with js enabled?  the url bug you mention above?
[16:13] <mgz> right, I'd have been happily ignorant of it's existence if I didn't need to find a tag
[16:14] <deryck> ok, gotcha.
[16:15] <jonesy> I need to make friends w/ launchpad in kind of a hurry. :(  What's an authoritative tutorial for someone who uses dvcs but doesn't know launchpad?
[16:15]  * jonesy hates being in a hurry.
[16:16] <dobey> mgz: the URL doesn't change for me when i load that page. it only breaks inside the DOM or something?
[16:24] <deryck> jonesy, have you seen the help wiki?  https://help.launchpad.net/
[16:24] <deryck> dobey, he's using Opera.
[16:24] <jonesy> I think this looks like it should do me well http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/tutorials/using_bazaar_with_launchpad.html
[16:24] <jonesy> thanks deryck
[16:24] <deryck> np!
[16:25] <dobey> oh
[16:26] <mgz> ^when I'm not using lynx :)
[16:48] <mcclurmc> is there a way to have a single PPA contain debs for multiple distro series? if I push the same source package to the same PPA, the second time with a different distro series in the changelog, the second package gets rejected because there is already a debian.tar.gz of the same name.
[16:48] <bigjools> you need to copy it including binaries, or upload a different source version
[16:50] <EvilResistance> ^ that
[16:51] <EvilResistance> mcclurmc:  take a look at my ZNC fork PPA: https://launchpad.net/~trekweb/+archive/znc-fork
[16:52] <EvilResistance> those were each versioned separately (see the version numbering) so the source is included in each upload
[16:52] <EvilResistance> it built for each version
[16:52] <EvilResistance> (failed on Lucid, but i know why)
[16:57] <Resistance> is it possible to set up an auto-import to a branch from another branch hosted on lp?
[17:21] <deryck> Resistance, I don't think so.  abentley, is there?
[17:21] <Resistance> is there a way to manually do it?
[17:21] <abentley> Resistance: I don't know if we forbade that or not.
[17:22] <Resistance> i see
[17:22] <abentley> Resistance: Manually would be "bzr pull".
[17:22] <Resistance> the main reason i ask is because i'm trying to not use the trunk branch for a project to do that project's packaging... granted i'm on their dev team / driver team
[17:23] <abentley> Resistance: This is a branch you want to commit to?
[17:24] <Resistance> abentley:  yes, because i have to add some executables to it that end up in the binaries folders of the system so the program can be executed.
[17:25] <Resistance> and they dont want me committing to the project's trunk
[17:25] <abentley> Resistance: You cannot commit to auto-imported branches.
[17:25] <Resistance> i see...
[17:25] <Resistance> so technically
[17:25] <Resistance> i'd have to get the code as is, and then commit to a branch myself?
[17:26] <abentley> Resistance: Yes.  You could also create a packaging-only branch.
[17:26] <Resistance> that'd work...
[17:27] <abentley> Resistance: See bzr-builder or https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds
[17:29] <abentley> Resistance: The "nest" instruction allows you to insert a packaging-only branch.
[17:31] <dobey> Resistance: they are just scripts that go in the debian/ dir which you install by hand from there, no?
[17:31] <Resistance> that'd actually work even better...
[17:31] <Resistance> @dobey
[17:34] <dobey> in which case you can maintain a branch that is just the debian/ contents, or you can maintain a source package branch that has all the contents, and you only modify stuff under debian/
[17:34] <dobey> though it's odd that upstream wouldn't want useful fixes integrated into upstream :)
[17:41] <mcclurmc> thanks, Resistance
[17:44] <kenvandine> anyone around that can help me figure out why i can't push a bzr branch?
[17:44] <kenvandine> bzr push lp:~ken-vandine/opensesame-signon-ui/packaging
[17:44] <kenvandine>  bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~ken-vandine/opensesame-signon-ui/packaging/": : You cannot create branches in "~ken-vandine/opensesame-signon-ui"
[17:45] <kenvandine> public project and public branch... can't figure out what is up with it
[17:47] <dobey> kenvandine: weird
[17:50] <kenvandine> dobey, indeed
[17:50] <deryck> kenvandine, has anything changed with your ssh keys?
[17:50]  * deryck is guess a bit here
[17:50] <kenvandine> deryck, no... and i can push other branches for other projects
[17:50] <kenvandine> i've pushed at least a dozen today
[17:51] <deryck> hmmmm
[17:56] <deryck> kenvandine, I get the same error, both locally and through the UI.  Has to be something with how opensesame-signon-ui is configured….
[17:56] <deryck> kenvandine, but I don't see anything odd, just looking at it.
[17:57] <deryck> kenvandine, ah, I see "Inherited branch visibility for all projects in Open Sesame Project is Forbidden." at the project group level.
[17:57] <deryck> kenvandine, so perhaps you're in a group for the other sub projects that is not being used for this one project?
[17:57] <kenvandine> weird, the other branches i've been pushing are sub projects of the same project
[17:59] <deryck> kenvandine, what is a sub-project that worked?  Just for me to compare.
[18:00] <kenvandine> opensesame-sigond
[18:00] <kenvandine> opensesame-signond
[18:02] <kenvandine> deryck, although that was pushing to a branch that already existed
[18:03] <kenvandine> perhaps this is a permission that changed since i created that branch?
[18:04] <deryck> I wouldn't think so.
[18:04] <deryck> abentley, sorry to bother again, but can you help kenvandine?  He can't push a branch to one sub project of a project group, but can to others.
[18:04] <deryck> abentley, and I can't figure out how the two are different.
[18:05] <kenvandine> the opensesame-signon-ui code page says branches created will be public, etc
[18:06] <dobey> kenvandine: that assumes you can create them, though ;)
[18:37] <abentley> kenvandine: Was lunching.  Let me look.
[18:37] <abentley> kenvandine: what branch are you trying to push to?
[18:38] <kenvandine> abentley, lp:~ken-vandine/opensesame-signon-ui
[19:07] <Resistance> what web software base does launchpad use?  (i.e. language its written in)
[19:08] <rick_h__> Resistance: Python
[19:09] <Resistance> rick_h__:  and what does it use for PGP key verification (such as for verifying you own a key when you add it to launchpad)?  still python?
[19:10] <rick_h__> Resistance: looks that way. I've not touched that bit of code, but see it in here
[19:10] <Resistance> i'll dig around it then
[19:14] <dobey> i suspect something runs gpg --verify or something
[19:26] <deryck> abentley, over to you, sir.
[19:26] <abentley> deryck: ack
[19:45] <Quintasan> abentley: ping
[19:46] <abentley> Quintasan: pong
[19:46] <Quintasan> abentley: Can you edit git urls in import branches?
[19:46] <Quintasan> It seems most of them was moved successfully but some of them weren't and I would like to have them moved
[19:46] <abentley> Quintasan: I don't think I can.
[19:47] <Quintasan> Hmm
[19:47] <abentley> Quintasan: what's the branch?
[19:47] <Quintasan> lp:~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde-contact-applet
[19:47] <Quintasan> should import from 	git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-extras/telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde-contact-applet.git
[19:49] <abentley> Quintasan: One sec.
[19:50] <abentley> Quintasan: Okay, I've updated it and scheduled an import.
[19:50] <Quintasan> I have two more but let's see if that one works
[19:51] <Quintasan> \o/
[19:51] <Quintasan> Works!
[19:52] <Quintasan> Could you also please change lp:~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde-filetransfer-handler   to use   git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-extras/telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde-filetransfer-handler.git?
[19:52] <Quintasan> no question mark at the end :P
[19:52] <Quintasan> and lp:~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde-integration-module to use git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-extras/telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde-integration-module.git
[19:57] <Quintasan> abentley: ^ Thanks in advance
[20:01] <abentley> Quintasan: both updated
[20:01] <Quintasan> abentley: Thanks, turns out I have MORE of them so I will file a question
[20:01] <Quintasan> I was hoping to start working on dailies but they moved code yet again
[20:01] <abentley> Quintasan: it appears all these branches have leading spaces in the URL.
[20:02] <Quintasan> abentley: Yup, works now. Thanks!
[20:03] <abentley> Quintasan: Cool.  Yeah, it sounds like a Question is the way to go.
[20:34] <hornerj> any updates to the email issues. I'm trying to resurrect my account to update my ppa
[20:52] <hornerj> anyone having trouble changing their password?
[21:42] <hornerj> Hi abentley, are you around?
[21:42] <abentley> hornerj: Hi.
[21:43] <hornerj> the topic states that there's issue with email? Is this still the case?
[21:43] <abentley> hornerj: let me check.
[21:47] <abentley> hornerj: Apparently the issue is fixed: https://twitter.com/#!/launchpadstatus
[21:50] <hornerj> Huh, I wonder why I'm not getting email instructions on how to change my password, then.
[21:52] <abentley> hornerj: The login service is managed by a different department.  If you're having trouble, I recommend the form at https://forms.canonical.com/lp-login-support/
[21:59] <hornerj> thanks!
[22:48] <phillw> Hi, how do you convert a 'bug' into a question / feature request for launchpad?


[00:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Looks great! Thanks for the awesome write-up!
[00:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> BTW, I dropped your name with Rick Timmis of Kubuntu, he's very likely to copy some of your tutorials for the Kubuntu In Focus magazine, giving you full credit.
[00:36] <MauroGaspari[m]> [Eickmeyer](https://matrix.to/#/@eickmeyer:matrix.org) thank you, i appreciate it. I uses ubuntu budgie in all my tutorials because well, it is an awesome distro for new users in my opinion better than gnome. And I needed a base to run both pulse and jack. Plus wanted to demonstrate everyone they can use their flavor of ubuntu and apply the ubuntu studio installer on top.
[00:38] <MauroGaspari[m]> Having said that, with groovy gorilla, I want to write a dedicated tutorial using ubuntu studio 20.10
[00:38] <MauroGaspari[m]> Would you like me to write it for ubuntu studio directly, or publish it on front page linux? I am good with anything as long as it helps
[00:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nah, go ahead with FPL. I can link to it from the US blog.
[00:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> FPL has more readership.
[01:25] <MauroGaspari[m]> [Eickmeyer](https://matrix.to/#/@eickmeyer:matrix.org)  Michael from DLN said the best time to publish ubuntu studio article is when it releases. Is it a week from now?
[03:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Just like every Ubuntu release, it's scheduled for the 22nd.
[03:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Michael is a personal friend of mine, btw.
[04:23] <MauroGaspari[m]> [Eickmeyer](https://matrix.to/#/@eickmeyer:matrix.org) thanks, just a few days left. I better get to the tutorial right away then. 😅
[04:24] <MauroGaspari[m]> Michael is g great guy
[07:04] <OvenWerks> jackd .16 is for arch who were using .15+commit and commit is of course no consecutive
[07:40] <MauroGaspari[m]> [OvenWerks](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_OvenWerks:matrix.org) i started my ubuntu studio groovy gorilla article, should be done by the end of the day. I have 2 questions for you.
[07:40] <MauroGaspari[m]> 1. I linked the beta release notes. Do you guys have a webpage up wirh final release notes i can link?
[07:40] <MauroGaspari[m]> 2. Is any major topic or improvement regarding jack audio stack or yools you want me to mention?
[16:27]  * Eickmeyer[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xrBApjVerZwwIGsWoGqCevuc/message.txt >
[16:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> If you want the announcement, it's currently in draft mode on the website.
[20:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: fyi controls is about to move on to new features
[20:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Sounds good. We'll be good to update it in Ubuntu when HH opens, and we'll be good to update in Fedora (really no matter what).
[20:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: no tags yet just commits
[20:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Cool


[07:43] <alourie> good morning
[08:10] <alourie> ara: good morning
[08:10] <ara> morning alourie
[08:10] <alourie> ara: I have a question if you don't mind
[08:11] <ara> alourie, go ahead
[08:12] <alourie> ara: I've been thinking about the new website, and beyond the bug I already opened on the landing page, I think it needs a bit of reorganizing. How can it be done? I mean, how do I tell the ideas I have?
[08:13] <alourie> opening a bunch of bugs doesn't seem to fit here
[08:13] <ara> alourie, have you seen that I fixed the landing page to show a motto?
[08:13] <alourie> oh?
[08:13] <ara> I fixed that yesterday
[08:14] <alourie> wow, I haven't even noticed :-)
[08:14] <alourie> hold on, I'll refresh the page
[08:17] <ara> alourie, and about the changes, what I am thinking of doing, is to put the content of the wp site as a LP branch, and you can do your changes and propose merges
[08:17] <ara> the wp-theme is already there as a branch, so if you want to make changes to the wp-theme you can branch that and propose your changes
[08:18] <ara> suggestions are great, but it is better if you actually implement them
[08:18] <alourie> ara: if you put it as a branch, I will work on it :-)
[08:19] <ara> alourie, the wp-theme is already as branch
[08:19] <ara> alourie, and the content, I will try to put it today
[08:19] <alourie> ara: that would be great. Btw, will it include the layout as well?
[08:20] <ara> alourie, the layout is the theme, and that's already in LP
[08:20] <ara> lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/wp-theme
[08:22] <alourie> ara: ah, that's great
[08:27] <ara> good morning jibel
[08:27] <jibel> Good morning ara!
[08:33] <alourie> ara: I'd have to install wordpress to test changes, right?
[08:33] <ara> alourie, indeed
[08:34] <alourie> ara: cool, thanks
[08:41] <ara> jibel, can you check my comment at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/651250/comments/2
[08:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 651250 in ubuntu-qa-website "qa.u.c home page is missing title, description and favicon (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress]
[08:41] <ara> please
[08:48] <sulumar> Good morning
[08:48] <ara> morning sulumar
[08:48] <jibel> ara, I agree with the keyword meta tag, it's pretty useless for google.
[08:48] <jibel> Hi sulumar
[08:48] <jibel> but the description is used by the search result snippets
[08:49] <ara> jibel, OK, I will add the description, then
[08:50] <jibel> ara, great! many thanks.
[08:50] <ara> jibel, now I have changed the landing page a bit and placed a "fixed post" stating what Ubuntu QA is
[08:52] <jibel> that's better. it makes the site look less like a planet.
[08:53] <jibel> you dropped the menu on the right panel ?
[08:53] <ara> jibel, yes I did, I felt it was a bit redundant
[08:53] <ara> we have the menu on the top, anyway
[08:53] <ara> jibel, do you want it back?
[08:54]  * jibel is navigating to see if it makes sense to add it back
[08:59] <jibel> what's annoying is that it never changes while it should change with the context.
[08:59] <ara> jibel, what do you mean?
[09:01] <jibel> the sub-menu always displays the archive of the posts. When I'm on another section than the home page it's a bit confusing.
[09:01] <jibel> but I agree that the previous menu was redundant with the main navigation.
[09:02] <ara> jibel, what would you like to see? a submenu like the one we have at uds.ubuntu.com?
[09:02] <ara> I agree that would be nice to have
[09:02] <ara> wanna implement it?  ;-)
[09:04] <jibel> I don't see any submenu at all on uds.u.c, is it my lack of coffee this morning ? :-)
[09:05] <ara> jibel, it is my lack of coffee! I have seen it somewhere, maybe it wasn't uds.u.c :)
[09:05] <jibel> maybe, the right menu should be displayed only on the home page, and use the whole page for the content in other sections.
[09:05] <ara> wow, the colour at uds.u.c. is way too orange
[09:05] <jibel> yeah, not enough aubergine, indeed
[09:08] <ara> jibel, the page with the submenu is www.ubuntu.com
[09:13] <jibel> ara, that's it. But there's a lot of content on www.u.c, so it makes sense use a submenu. I don't think you can apply the same to qa.u.c because the site map is flat. There is only 1 level.
[09:13] <jibel> ara, my feeling is that we don't need that sub navigation excepted on the aggregation page.
[09:14] <jibel> and you could use the full width for the content like on other *.u.c web sites.
[09:14] <jibel> excepted on the home page of course.
[09:15] <ara> yes, that makes sense
[09:18] <alourie> jibel, ara: I think that the current sidebar should appear only with planet
[09:19] <alourie> and
[09:20] <alourie> ara: should I open bug to remove comments form from the pages?
[09:21] <ara> alourie, you can open a bug, but that's also changeable in the theme, so you can implement the changes
[09:21] <alourie> ara: ah, great
[09:23] <sulumar> jibel, could you give me the links to start SRU pls
[09:24] <sulumar> trashed a vm by accident and lost the history
[09:24] <jibel> sulumar, here it is : http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[09:24] <jibel> sulumar, don't hesitate to ask if you need help.
[09:25] <sulumar> thx
[09:25] <jibel> sulumar, there is one in lucid that I'm failing to reproduce - bug 533369
[09:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 533369 in debootstrap (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 2 other projects) "Fails to debootstrap squeeze chroot due to missing apt-get (affects: 1) (heat: 34)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/533369
[09:26] <jibel> maybe you'll be luckier than me
[09:27] <ara> alourie, you can open a bug and link the branch your working on with it, then request a merge
[09:29] <sulumar> ill try
[09:29] <jibel> sulumar, the 2 kde bug 656195 and bug 656196 are easy target too.
[09:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 656196 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "add new Indian Rupee Unicode symbol (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656196
[09:30] <jibel> The second is trivial while the first needs to recompile kdevelop.
[09:33] <sulumar> ill try to understand and reproduce debootstrap on 10.10 and 10.04 if needed
[09:33] <alourie> ara: can you give me the lp link again for the theme branch?
[09:33] <alourie> I reconnected and lost history
[09:36] <ara>  lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/wp-theme
[09:36] <jibel> sulumar, the problem with deboostrap only exists in lucid when you try to create a debian squeeze chroot with a buildd variant. If you don't know debootstrap too much, you can start with easier tests.
[09:39] <sulumar> in fact i dont know debootsrtap at all but that allows me to learn it
[09:49] <alourie> ara: thansk
[09:49] <jibel> sulumar, you'll find documentation about debootstrap here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot and here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[09:50] <sulumar> thx
[10:15] <sulumar> ok ill try something else to start
[10:16] <sulumar> bootstrap is a bit too complicated to learn in paralel with windows
[10:21] <sulumar> think im not good enough to do sru AND a course
[10:33] <jibel> :-)
[10:35] <jibel> sulumar, I proposed bug 657865
[10:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657865 in josm-plugins (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "josm-plugins cannot be installed with maverick version (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657865
[10:36] <jibel> sulumar, the current version in maverick is not installable because of conflicting files between josm and josm-plugins
[10:36] <jibel> sulumar, the version in -proposed fixes that by removing the conflicting files from josm-plugins.
[10:37] <sulumar> ill check that
[10:37] <jibel> sulumar, so with -proposed enabled josm-plugins and josm should be installable together.
[10:44] <sulumar> Josm even pulls josm-plugins
[10:47] <sulumar> with -proposed enable it is fixed$
[10:48] <jibel> that's because josm-plugins is a recommend of josm and recommends are installed by default
[10:49] <sulumar> so with the bug in launchpad i do what now ??
[10:51] <jibel> sulumar, add a comment with the result of the test and set change the tag verification-needed to verification-done
[10:51] <jibel> sulumar, the bug number on the pending sru list will become green when the page is refreshed (every hour)
[10:52] <jibel> sulumar, then the sru manager will publish this version to maverick-updates and every user of maverick will benefit of that fix \o/
[10:53] <jibel> sulumar, I've verified it too, that was not a conflicting file but a version bump in the conflict rule.
[10:54] <sulumar> as long as its fixed
[10:55] <jibel> sulumar, do you have an ipod ?
[10:55] <sulumar> Tagchanged, VM Trashed
[10:55] <sulumar> nope
[10:56] <sulumar> sorry for the ipod, im not that apple
[10:56] <jibel> no problem. There is a bug that requires an ipod.
[10:58]  * jibel picking another report.
[11:03] <jibel> sulumar, do you use empathy ?
[11:04] <sulumar> i do
[11:07] <jibel> there is bug 654981 then. You just need to use it as you usually do and ensure that is still work as expected.
[11:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 654981 in empathy (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "SRU empathy to <IP_ADDRESS> in maverick (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/654981
[11:07] <jibel> bug 615045 in lucid is well documented, and is a good candidate.
[11:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 615045 in man-db (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Running catman makes man display junk data (affects: 1) (heat: 64)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615045
[11:36] <sulumar> using the proposed empathy
[11:36] <sulumar> seems to work
[11:39] <jibel> sulumar, you need to use it for some time. Do you see the same behavior than Martin in comment 2 ?
[11:42] <sulumar> not at all
[11:43] <sulumar> the window is the same as before
[11:43] <sulumar> can move and resize it any way i want
[11:52] <sulumar> and i tested empathy with an ALICE bot to force conversation
[11:52] <sulumar> it seems to work
[13:11] <jibel> sulumar, great! thanks you for confirming. We'll wait a few more days to gather more feedback from other users.
[13:24] <alourie> wow, I have wp with new ubuntu-qa theme! yea!
[15:02] <cr3> bladernr: learn to use the mouse :)
[15:21] <bladernr> cr3:  it's not so much the mouse as it is the MT team's touch driver for the mouse ;-)
[19:55] <ara> QA meeting in 5 minutes at #ubuntu-quality
[19:55] <kamusin> :)
[21:45] <lourie> I think that the topic needs to be updated
[21:45] <lourie> *channel topic