[00:03]  * slangasek scratches his head.  Why does Debian have a "new upstream release" of update-manager?
[02:01] <doko> Binary only movements to multiverse
[02:01] <doko>  -----------------------------------
[02:01] <doko>  o nvidia-current-updates                {nvidia-graphics-drivers-304-updates}
[02:01] <doko> [02:01] <doko>  Source only movements to multiverse
[02:01] <doko>  -----------------------------------
[02:01] <doko>  o nvidia-graphics-drivers
[02:01] <doko>  o nvidia-graphics-drivers-updates
[02:02] <doko> they are in restricted now ... is this correct?
[02:03] <SergioMeneses> doko, I think so
[02:03] <SergioMeneses> doko, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:54] <infinity> doko: They probably all want to be seeded, like the other nvidia-* junk is, so they can stay in restricted.
[02:55]  * infinity fixes.
[10:48] <cjwatson> ScottK: I'm attempting to fix up your plasma-mobile hint.  Looks like it managed to cause britney to crash.
[10:48] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1698252/
[10:49] <cjwatson> Trying binaries is definitely wrong so I've gone back to source packages, only this time spelled correctly (s/plamsa/plasma/).  If that doesn't work I'll try with an explicit version.
[10:55] <cjwatson> That didn't work.  Trying with a version
[10:57] <cjwatson> ScottK: That worked now.
[10:57] <cjwatson> ScottK: Hopefully by the time you see this it should have migrated and you can remove the hint.
[10:59] <cjwatson> At some point I should really put the logs on the web
[11:00] <cjwatson> ScottK: I assume you know it (apparently) breaks kubuntu-active, since that was the reason it didn't get auto-migrated ...
[11:01] <cjwatson> Though it looks OK to me in chdist
[11:01] <cjwatson> Maybe NBS
[11:02] <cjwatson> Ah, yes, kubuntu-active Depends: plasma-active-keyboardcontainer which is no longer built
[12:21] <doko> how do I have to understand https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131958853/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-armhf.binutils_<IP_ADDRESS>30221-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:21] <doko> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture armhf
[12:21] <doko> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: gettext:any
[12:21] <doko> dpkg-buildpackage: warning: build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting
[12:28] <cjwatson> doko: You shouldn't build-depend on gettext:any any more; I told you this for binutils a few weeks ago
[12:28] <cjwatson> Just use gettext instead
[12:29] <cjwatson> (It's M-A: foreign now rather than allowed)
[12:29] <doko> ahh, I see, trunk build ...
[12:29] <cjwatson> In fact back in November
[12:30] <cjwatson> Ah, yes, and you acknowledged it immediately, so obviously building some different tree :)
[12:57] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.  Sorry for the crashing.
[13:36] <xnox> Can I please have ubuntu & xubuntu, daily-live respun with new ubiquity.
[13:36] <xnox> ?
[13:36] <xnox> I want to test it, as I am away tomorrow.
[13:49] <cjwatson> xnox: on their way
[13:50] <xnox> thanks.
[15:12] <jdstrand> infinity: can you kill these: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ppa/+build/4317384 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ppa/+build/4317385
[15:26] <davmor2> cjwatson: is there an issue with 64bit?  https://pastebin.canonical.com/85263/
[15:27] <davmor2> meh sorry I though I hit paste.ubuntu :(
[15:36] <stgraber> davmor2: appears to be working here
[15:37] <stgraber> davmor2: maybe you were unlucky and tried while the image was half-mirrored?
[15:37] <davmor2> ah yeap working now thanks
[15:38] <davmor2> stgraber: wouldn't surprise me
[15:45] <pgraner> cjwatson, rickspencer3 is saying he's getting partial upgrades today with update manager do we have some broken pkgs?
[15:54] <cjwatson> slangasek noticed something yesterday with libreoffice-presenter-console
[15:54] <cjwatson> (which is supposed to be removed)
[15:54] <cjwatson> I haven't seen a debugging trace as yet)
[15:55] <cjwatson> unfortunately I upgraded my own system across that using apt-get and all was fine
[15:56] <pgraner> cjohnston, hmmm, strange he had issues yesterday with that package, I'm wondering if is residual from that?
[15:57] <slangasek> cjwatson: it removes fine under apt-get; u-m refuses to remove any packages in upgrade mode; there's a bug report from mvo that previously proposed the solution for this (bug #1038113)
[15:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1038113 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "support conflicts/provides/replaces and allow removal in this case" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1038113
[15:57] <cjwatson> OK, so for now the correct answer is to use apt-get as we're going to need an update to deliver an upgrade-manager fix anyway
[15:59] <cjwatson> I guess this needs to be fixed in UpdateManager.Core.MyCache.saveDistUpgrade ...
[16:00]  * cjwatson targets that bug so that it goes onto the foundations list
[16:22] <infinity> jdstrand: More openjdk builds?
[16:30] <infinity> jdstrand: Oh, did you copy to your PPA from doko's before the builds were all done, is that what this is about?
[17:04] <jdstrand> infinity: re copy> yes
[17:04] <infinity> jdstrand: Oops. :)
[17:05] <jdstrand> yeah, just 11.10. I thought it had a green check. I was wrong
[18:36] <phillw> cjwatson: can I also request lubuntu desktop
[18:36] <phillw> +be respun with new ubiquity.
[18:38] <cjwatson> phillw: It already has been.  20130221
[18:38] <cjwatson> i.e. the one from cron.
[18:44] <phillw> cjwatson: thanks, just zsyncing up now :)
[18:45] <phillw> I take it that xubuntu one got cron built before the new ubiquity landed? it shows as 20130221.1
[18:46] <cjwatson> Yes
[18:46] <cjwatson> 50 9 * * *      buildlive xubuntu daily-live && for-project xubuntu cron.daily-live
[18:46] <cjwatson> 35 1 * * *      buildlive lubuntu daily-preinstalled && for-project lubuntu cron.daily-preinstalled
[18:46] <cjwatson> Er ignore that second one
[18:47] <cjwatson> 29 16 * * *     for-project lubuntu cron.daily; buildlive lubuntu daily-live && for-project lubuntu cron.daily-live
[18:48] <phillw> again, thanks, I've been checking with xubuntu to ensure such a bug is purely lubuntu.
[19:40] <bdmurray> I'm looking at the SRU for bug 1060262 and thre is a reference to it being rejected previously due a non SRUable commit.
[19:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1060262 in unity-2d (Ubuntu Precise) "Unity-2D SRU-1 needs releasing" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060262
[19:40] <bdmurray> However, I've no idea what that was and want to make sure it still isn't in there...
[19:49] <bdmurray> Does anybody remember rejecting it before?
[20:14] <ScottK> Wasn't me.
[20:19] <infinity> bdmurray: Doesn't ring bells.
[22:42] <phillw> Has anyone got any thoughts regarding a new bug 1131427 that was supposed to have been solved via bug 1128597
[22:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1131427 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity fail" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1131427
[22:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1128597 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm crashed with TypeError in run(): Can't convert 'bool' object to str implicitly" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1128597
[23:33]  * xnox was able to reproduce 1128597 with images 20th or older. And it is fixed with 21.1 and newer.
[23:33]  * xnox cannot reproduce 1131427 with any


[02:18] <nixnoob> anyone running gusty on a Asus C90s?
[02:18] <nixnoob> I just wanted to know if its been tested and if it has any issues?
[04:55] <sn00zer> anyone here?
[05:01] <offby1> nobody here but us zombie processes.
[05:41]  * MenZa zombies on.
[08:24] <MenZa> Can anyone add test results on the LaptopTestingTeam wikipage?
[16:16] <Lure> MenZa: off course
[16:18] <MenZa> I shall do that then. :)
[17:31] <Carb0n> Hello?
[17:34] <offby1> halloo?
[17:34] <offby1> nobody here but us zombie processes.
[17:36] <Carb0n> hi, I'm interested in writing a review of Ubuntu on an Acer TM 2428
[17:36] <Carb0n> could you guide me on to the procedures
[17:38] <offby1> I don't know any such procedures
[17:40] <Carb0n> What do I do to get the laptop into the list?
[17:40] <offby1> no idea :-|
[17:41] <offby1> I know there's a web site with reviews; I assume it's a wiki.
[17:41] <Carb0n> Sorry if I sound n00bish -- what's this channel for then?
[17:41] <offby1> you probably have to make an account for yourself, and then you'll be able to create a new page.  That's just a guess.
[17:41] <offby1> I use this channel to whine about how ubuntu doesn't work on my Thinkpad :-)
[17:41] <offby1> (although to be fair recently it's been working well enough)
[17:42] <Carb0n> Can I whine about the sleep function misbehaving on my TM as well?
[17:42] <offby1> sure!
[17:42] <offby1> suspend and hibernate rarely work right, in my experience.
[17:42] <offby1> along with sound, video, and wireless cards :-|
[17:42] <offby1> whenever they do work, I feel like I've witnessed a small miracle
[17:43] <Carb0n> true, so does the screen lock function
[17:45] <Carb0n> What do I do to get the side buttons funcitoing?
[17:46] <Carb0n> I mean like the Wi-Fi switches and the Bluetooth switches?
[17:46] <offby1> no idea.
[17:47] <offby1> next question :-)
[17:48] <Carb0n> lol, nice try.
[17:55] <Carb0n> offby1: what's your thinkpad model?
[17:55] <offby1> T60
[17:55] <offby1> I rather love it, by the way
[17:55] <offby1> even though I've already worn the decals off many of the keys
[17:58] <Carb0n> I regret not buying a TP
[18:01] <offby1> i bet used ones are reasonably priced
[18:06] <Carb0n> I couldn't even get a "used" one, no stock.
[18:06] <Carb0n> My Acer TM is getting flimsy and fragile
[18:08] <offby1> Thinkpads are nice, but wouldn't ya know it, their price reflects that.
[18:09] <offby1> I got ubuntu working reasonably well on a Dell Latitude C640, which will probably set you back about two cents these days;  I only got rid of it because it was physically falling apart (because it had been dropped a few times too many)
[18:09] <Carb0n> so which ones do you recommend?
[18:10] <offby1> which of what?
[18:10] <Carb0n> that "best" runs Linux (too broad a word)
[18:13] <offby1> couldn't tell ya.
[18:13] <offby1> All I know is the two I've mentioned work reasonably well.
[18:13] <Carb0n> :)
[18:13] <offby1> there used to be a company that specialised in selling laptops with linux pre-installed.  I think they're out of business now.
[18:13] <Carb0n> So how do I add my lap to the list?
[18:13] <Carb0n> too bad
[18:13] <offby1> like I said earlier: I assume you need to create an account on that wiki.
[18:14] <Carb0n> ok, can try.
[18:14] <Carb0n> Is there a guideline I can follow
[18:14] <offby1> copy an existing page, obviously.
[18:14] <Carb0n> I searched launchpad, but couldn't find any
[18:14] <offby1> the web site I'm thinking of is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/, by the way
[18:14] <Carb0n> ok, thanks
[18:15] <Carb0n> same one
[18:15] <Carb0n> yes
[18:15] <offby1> another option is http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
[18:15] <Carb0n> but I don't use /own a TP :(
[18:21] <offby1> oh yeah
[18:21] <offby1> oops
[18:21] <offby1> I was just pasting a bunch of my bookmarks without really thinking.
[18:21] <offby1> "thinking", get it; haw haw.
[18:22] <Carb0n> lol
[22:42] <nixnoob> anyone running gutsy on a Asus C90s?  just wanted to kno if there are any issues?
[22:53] <offby1> I would expect wireless, video, sound, suspend, and hibernation to all fail.
[22:53] <offby1> Other than that I expect it'll be fine :-|
[22:53] <offby1> Note that I've never even _seen_ an Asus computer; I'm just a pessimist
[22:55] <nixnoob> offby1, thats odd the ubuntu wiki says my wireless and video are supported
[22:58] <nixnoob> You're just a grinch.
[22:59] <offby1> yup
[23:00] <offby1> like I said: pessimist
[23:00] <nixnoob> Yea, I've been looking on google and the only thing I could find regarding Gusty and this notebook is a problem with one of the FN keys...  A problem which I really don't care about.
[23:02] <nixnoob> ï'm §ðð ßð®êÐ.


[00:07] <Unit193> ochosi: Also, are window buttons scaling well for you? A user reports issues: https://www.dropbox.com/s/unk3luoyet9b7m7/panel.png?dl=0
[07:55] <stevehope> hi
[08:01] <stevehope> hi, was just reading the new xubuntu news regarding Q/A  info, it would be handy to have social media buttons on the news pages for ease of use to post to facebook, twitter etc
[08:59] <knome> pleia2, do we want that ^
[10:33] <knome> slickymaster, the meeting
[11:01] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi et al - Ubuntu using GDM - "We will support LightDM for use in the other flavours, though this is likely to be limited to bug fixes from the Ubuntu desktop team." https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-June/004969.html
[11:20] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: tumbler 0.1.32 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-tumbler-0-1-32-released-tp49362.html (by Ali Abdallah-4)
[11:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: interesting... no we will probably want to make sure gdm works fine for us just in case
[13:36] <pleia2> knome: if we can find one that's not awful (take forever to load...), maybe, I do use them myself sometimes
[15:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: didn't by default last time we had lightdm/lock issues - I checked gdm and a couple of others
[16:50] <Unit193> Oh just great... GDM is more tied to GNOME than it was last time too.  "Others are still welcome to contribute to LightDM" well then remove the CLA?
[18:23] <flocculant> certainly wants to install the world seemingly
[19:42] <knome> pleia2, we could probably bake our own... i don't think the code required is too complex to write ourself
[21:55] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'm presuming no tumbler SRU.