[00:18] <OneM_Industries> Alright, I'm having a bit of an issue burning cds and was wondering if anyone would be willing to help.
[00:19] <OneM_Industries> Basically, I'm trying to burn some audio cds, and they are coming out completely corrupt.
[00:21] <OneM_Industries> It sounds like static, mixed with what happens when you get a massive scratch in a disk.
[00:22] <wr> OneM_Industries, what do you use to burn and what is filetype?
[00:22] <OneM_Industries> Brasero, and mp3.
[00:22] <wr> OneM_Industries, what hardware you have?
[00:22] <tatertotz> OneM_Industries has this computer EVER burned acceptable quality audio cd's in the past?
[00:23] <OneM_Industries> tatertotz: That's the irritating part, YES. Utterly randomly, it will produce a cd that sounds brilliant.
[00:23] <OneM_Industries> However, this is less than 10% of the time.
[00:24] <wr> OneM_Industries, on what system did you do a sucessfull burn?
[00:24] <xamithan> Burners are pretty cheap if it isn't blu-ray,  get a decent unit that works more than 10% of the time
[00:24] <tatertotz> OneM_Industries "intermittent" in nature then you would agree? yes/no
[00:24] <OneM_Industries> wr: It's a random samsung cd/dvd burner/player.
[00:24] <OneM_Industries> tatertotz: Yes.
[00:24] <xamithan> Sometimes a firmware update will fix issues though
[00:24] <wr> OneM_Industries, what type cd/dvd/ray you use and did you try burn multiple times?
[00:25] <OneM_Industries> wr: Yes, I did try burning multiple times. They are memorex 700mb 52x disks.
[00:25] <wr> OneM_Industries, does the samsung is properly installed? did it ever work in past?
[00:25] <OneM_Industries> Yes, it has.
[00:25] <OneM_Industries> Oooh, hang on a sec...
[00:26] <wr> OneM_Industries, the multiple try was on a different cd? or multiple on same? are they rewritable?
[00:26] <tatertotz> OneM_Industries have you tried burning at 1x  or a less than MAX speed?...i bet you've been trying to burn MAX speed all this time because that's the default
[00:26] <OneM_Industries> They are non rewriteable. Also, different cds.
[00:26] <wr> OneM_Industries, what type cd you have more, minus?
[00:26] <OneM_Industries> tatertotz: First thing I changed, speed makes no difference.
[00:26] <wr> OneM_Industries, is the samsung same type has cd's? format?
[00:27] <wr> OneM_Industries, record on a lower speed
[00:27] <OneM_Industries> They're just generic CD-Rs.
[00:27] <OneM_Industries> Yeah, I've been trying on 16x, the lowest that Brasero will go.
[00:27] <wr> OneM_Industries, is the samsung format same type that cd's?
[00:27] <OneM_Industries> I genuinely have no clue.
[00:28] <wr> thats your problem probably
[00:28] <wr> you may not have same type
[00:28] <wr> check it out
[00:28] <OneM_Industries> OK.
[00:28] <wr> dvd+r is dvd-r
[00:28] <wr> dvd+r is not dvd-r
[00:28] <xamithan> Aren't they all CD+R and CD-R nowadays
[00:29] <xamithan> Unless this burner is from like 15 years ago
[00:29] <wr> cd+r is different on cd-r what does samsung support?
[00:29] <OneM_Industries> Burner is less than 2 years old.
[00:29] <wr> OneM_Industries, try to check that
[00:29] <xamithan> Well I think it's a hardware issue.  I'd try to find some updated firmware for it
[00:30] <wr> OneM_Industries, what does it say on your cd?
[00:30] <OneM_Industries> "Memorex CD-R 52x 700MB 80min".
[00:31] <wr> OneM_Industries, i have like two records that if i put a cd+r or - they record on one and other not
[00:31] <wr> OneM_Industries, what does samsung support?
[00:32] <OneM_Industries> Trying to find out, hang on.
[00:32] <wr> sudo lshw -C disk
[00:33] <OneM_Industries> capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
[00:34] <OneM_Industries>   product: CDDVDW SH-224FB
[00:41] <wr> https://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntu-and-debian 404
[00:42] <dax> wr: where's that link from?
[00:42] <wr> ubuntu?
[00:43] <wr> OneM_Industries, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y
[00:43] <wr> OneM_Industries, sudo fwupdmgr update
[00:44] <plongshot> When I ssh into my server I notice the terminal window freezes after inactivity and / or visiting other applications. When I return the only option is to close that terminal window and connect again in a new window. This is happening frequently (causing a disturbance in the force) and I have no idea what may be causing it.
[00:44] <plongshot> Any ideas?
[00:44] <OneM_Industries> wr: So, it was brasero.
[00:45] <OneM_Industries> K3B works perfectly.
[00:45] <wr> OneM_Industries, sorry, before have to run sudo service fwupd start and sudo fwupdmgr refresh
[00:45] <plongshot> I love k3b
[00:45] <plongshot> used it for years
[00:45] <OneM_Industries> Well, it works, so it has my vote now. :)
[00:45] <wr> OneM_Industries, but they are different, maybe it's some option adjustment
[00:46] <plongshot> Is the terminal not updating the window or something?
[00:46] <wr> OneM_Industries, just because one works and other not doesn't mean a vote
[00:47] <wr> OneM_Industries, on linux everything is setup
[00:49] <wr> OneM_Industries, but this is a thing happens a lot on cd/dvd you may use one and it not detect something, and other works, i had same thing happen on reverse, k3b not working and brasero works, and vice versa, but if its solved its solved
[00:51] <tatertotz> lol
[00:52] <wr> OneM_Industries, if k3b works is because you have something on your setup that k3b checks, and brasero probably not, anyways...
[00:52] <plongshot> I just go tthe following output then the connections worked again. I never did closer or connect again. The frozen window output: "packet_write_wait: Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Broken pipe" and then worked like nothing happened.  what does this mean?
[00:54] <wr> OneM_Industries, by the way, how many times tried brasero record?
[00:54] <conjo> morning/greetings everyone-I really need some help finding a channel to get help with a gigabyte bios issue. Can anyone please suggest a channel...thank you =)
[00:56] <wr> OneM_Industries, i don't like almost any burning software on linux, just terminal
[00:58] <conjo> wr 'same' what are your burning
[00:58] <wr> nothing
[00:58] <JustAddCoffee> soz just got in room =)
[00:59] <JustAddCoffee> wr, apart from dd are there any other ways of burning from terminal
[00:59] <wr> JustAddCoffee, there are cdrecord
[01:01] <wr> JustAddCoffee, https://wiki.debian.org/BurnCd
[01:01] <JustAddCoffee> thanks bud was just reading the man
[01:03] <wr> OneM_Industries, JustAddCoffee by the way https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Category/Audio/cd-burning
[01:03] <JustAddCoffee> thanks man
[01:10] <oneeach> I have a question about Gnome Files app. How do I disable that visible bar that shows up when I scroll to the top or bottom?
[01:19] <JustAddCoffee> hi all i need some help please to not clogg the page i used pastebin
[01:19] <JustAddCoffee> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/B2PJcYF9ch/
[01:32] <OneM_Industries> wr: Sorry, was out playing the CD I just burnt. As for how many times I tried with brasero..well, it's a good thing I have a couple hundred cds, let's just leave it at that.
[01:33] <OneM_Industries> wr: And yeah, most likely something underlying is broken. Wouldn't surprise me.
[01:47] <texla> How to print startup apps
[02:16] <dex1337> hey
[02:40] <DalekSec> I figure https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973 should likely come up.
[02:47] <ryuo> DalekSec: ... so that's what it was. lmao.
[02:48] <DalekSec> I'm going with "yes" :)
[02:48] <ryuo> DalekSec: i ended up disabling addon signing for now.
[02:49] <DalekSec> ryuo: Yes, that's certainly one workaround.
[03:29] <oiyouyeahyou> Hi, I've updated from Cosmic to Disco and am having troubles with my internal WiFi. I'm using a Qualcom Ateros GCA9377 in a Dell Inspiron 5860 (0874). Previously everything was buttery smooth but now I get `ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available` and horrendous and variable ping times up to several seconds.
[03:38] <Nautilus> when using the find command, is there a way to suppress all the "permission denied" lines?
[03:42] <oiyouyeahyou> sudo?
[03:43] <Nautilus> oh, heh, get permission
[03:48] <Nautilus> oiyouyeahyou: thanks
[04:25] <evan> Im on a rasbarry pi right now
[04:50] <sappheiros> do you use linux on your cellphone?
[04:59] <Bashing-om> !touch | sappheiros
[05:00] <sappheiros> i thought plasma replaced touch
[05:03] <sappheiros> neat, thank you Bashing-om
[05:03] <Bashing-om> sappheiros: We do try and help :) And when we can not at least repoint.
[05:13] <sri-helikopter> APA
[05:17] <suciip> woy
[05:20] <cfhowlett> ubuntu 18.04 in virtualbox on a MacAir; the gnome keyboard shutcuts don't work, e.g. super + right arrow to set a window to 1/2 of the screen on the right.  Help?
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: correct
[05:21] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje/ eh?
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: i mean the super + right works here just tested
[05:22] <cfhowlett> where should I look.
[05:22] <cfhowlett> cuz it aint working for me.
[05:23] <cfhowlett> works fine on my Dell however.  I think it might be a setting issue, but I've no idea where to start
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: would vbox catch your keys or maybe its a case of no graphics card (virtual graphics)?
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: on the dell, vbox too or physical?
[05:24] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje/ works fine on my dell.  not working my my vbox.
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: how about the other key combos, like super + pgdown test?
[05:24] <cfhowlett> I guess it's possible the keypresses are being diverted to vbox but I'm on fullscreen.  let me install vbox extension and try again.
[05:25] <cfhowlett> super + pgdown = nothing
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> might be a vbos case perhaps
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> vbox
[05:28] <cfhowlett> i'll experiment.  thanks.
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: i also had great experiences with 18.04 physical on macs lately, just for the record
[05:31] <cfhowlett> :)
[05:35] <arussel> I found a way to center/scaled background image, and I found a way to have 2 different background image on my 2 screens. Is there an app that would allow to center/scale 2 images on 2 screen ?
[05:57] <tatertotz> 1
[06:01] <indistylo_> What is correct order? of this ? 1.route , 2.access point, 3.switches, 4.server(the laptop), 5.modem, Is 5 > 1>3 >2>4 correct order
[06:01] <indistylo_> What is correct order of network flow? of this ? 1.route , 2.access point, 3.switches, 4.server(the laptop), 5.modem, Is 5 > 1>3 >2>4 correct order
[06:06] <Ben64> indistylo_: what
[06:06] <tatertotz> and Ubuntu has what to do with your order?
[06:06] <tatertotz> or what does it have to do with ubuntu?
[06:07] <tatertotz> 1. put on pants 2. put on shoes
[06:07] <tatertotz> do NOT try to 1. put on shoes then 2. put on pants
[06:08] <gofio> could it be pants are wide enough
[06:23] <u0_a112> hi
[06:23] <u0_a112> malay?
[06:23] <cfhowlett> !malay  u0_a112
[06:24] <u0_a112> can i jin this  server
[06:24] <u0_a112> join
[06:24] <cfhowlett> you have already joined this channel
[06:29] <TRX> eng?
[06:33] <CyrusCode> how to install metasploit on termux?
[06:34] <CyrusCode> please answer
[06:35] <CyrusCode> 😄
[06:35] <cfhowlett> !patience | CyrusCode
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> CyrusCode: metasploit is not a supported package on ubuntu, contact the maintainer
[06:40] <dreamcat4> hello. concerned about this recent new firefox bug today, is it avoided by staying on 18.04 ?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | dreamcat4
[06:41] <cfhowlett> dreamcat4/ it's a ***firefox*** bug, i.e. all firefox's are suspect.
[06:41] <dreamcat4> huh
[06:41] <dreamcat4> all of them eh?
[06:41] <dreamcat4> i was just wondering why i have not been affected by it yet
[06:42] <dreamcat4> because opened firefox this morning (after the date now), and it seems to be looking ok
[06:42] <dreamcat4> it just made me wonder what the criteria is to trigger the bug
[06:43] <dreamcat4> sorry - i'll go ask on firefox channel
[07:00] <horribleapps> Hello, is there a way to read out the raw usb data coming out of my usb webcam?
[07:02] <horribleapps> I tried using usb-hid to but it says "No matching HID interfaces"
[07:02] <horribleapps> I can use my keyboard with usb-hid and it shows that data
[07:35] <Kali_Yuga> hello, on a different laptop after a kernel upgrade the wifi stopped working, or it can't find any networks. The only thing I could do is go into grub and choose the older kernel version. what should I do next? delete the new kernel?
[07:35] <ducasse> horribleapps: ask in ##linux, see if they can help
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: wich chipset is that?
[08:28] <ScriptGeek> I just got a server running ubuntu and following instructions to set it up with LAMP, but I'm unable to determine if apache is configured correctly since I can't get to the default apache page
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> ScriptGeek: come join in #ubuntu-server please
[08:48] <kayzen> https://africageographic.com/blog/lion-mass-slaughter-house/
[08:49] <kayzen> sanction south africa
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> !ot | kayzen
[09:28] <tuxi> hi anyone else having problems with firefox vers. 66xxx with downloading updates?
[09:30] <tuxi> new update from 05-04-19 firefox 66.0.3
[09:34] <spippi> hi at all
[09:34] <spippi> i have download and installed last version of edubuntu, but ask me update at 18.08 LTS, i must do or not?
[09:35] <tuxi> hi anyone having problems with firefox 66.0.3 addons while automatically disabled?
[09:36] <gofio> you mean right now tuxi as we speak or lately?
[09:38] <cfhowlett> spippi, no longer in development ...
[09:39] <cfhowlett> tuxi, it 's a firefox issue.  they are working on it.
[09:40] <spippi> cfhowlett, but i must update? and edubuntu work after update
[09:41] <cfhowlett> spippi, no support,  no security upgrades, no development.  you don't have to upgrade but you might want to stay off the internet completely.
[09:41] <spippi> ok
[09:41] <spippi> another question
[09:42] <spippi> i installed sugar-emulator 0.98 but not start
[09:42] <cfhowlett> on edubuntu?
[09:44] <spippi> yes
[09:44] <cfhowlett> "no longer supported" includes this channel as well.  (you really should upgrade).
[09:44] <spippi> i close session and try to start with sugar, but return in login
[09:48] <qwebirc2826> i need help with a fanconrtol issue
[09:49] <guiverc2> spippi, Edubuntu skipped the 16.04 LTS upgrade path due to lack of contributors.  The Ubuntu 14.04 LTS component should upgrade to 16.04 LTS (the upgrade path for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS), but Edubuntu ceased at 14.04 LTS (as no-one stepped in to help) so I don't know what that would do to the edubuntu extra packages.
[09:50] <tuxi> cfhowlett ok thank you, because i found on reddit a fix - but this fix is only for linux mint
[09:51] <guiverc2> spippi, Possibly an option is a newer Ubuntu install, then adding the extra things you use (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/AppGuide provide a list of packages for different ages)
[09:51] <cfhowlett> tuxi, I'd say be patient and let ffox get their act together.
[09:52] <tuxi> cfhowlett, yes i understood thank you so far
[09:52] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[09:54] <guiverc2> spippi, https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=edubuntu-desktop  show the edubuntu desktop exists for xenial (16.04) & bionic (18.04)
[09:57] <cfhowlett> spippi, can comfirm.  this is my simulated output to apt install -s edubuntu-desktop
[09:57] <spippi> cfhowlett, i update then
[09:57] <spippi> ?
[09:57] <cfhowlett> it appears no new development is being done, but that upgraded versions of previous packaging are available
[09:58] <spippi> i accept update to 18.04 or not?
[09:58] <cfhowlett> spippi, sudo do-release-upgrade should get you there.  backup your data first
[09:58] <spippi> it's a fresh install
[09:58] <spippi> ok for sugar? have you advice?
[09:59] <cfhowlett> no idea, but I suspect it will fly in the upgraded OS
[10:11] <mia> Hey channel
[10:11] <mia> would it be a problem to reach to already installed programs on windows disk and run them through wine?
[10:11] <Spookan> Hello mia.
[10:12] <mia> or do I need new installations?
[10:12] <cfhowlett> mia, you'll need to install via wine
[10:12] <Spookan> mia: What Windows programs are you thinking about?
[10:13] <mia> adobe creative cloud
[10:13] <mia> illustrator
[10:13] <mia> photoshop
[10:13] <mia> etc.
[10:13] <mia> I already have them installed on my windows disk
[10:13] <cfhowlett> lastest versions will fail in wine, last I heard
[10:13] <mia> so I installed wine, hoping to run them through that disk
[10:14] <cfhowlett> https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-adobe-creative-cloud-linux/
[10:14] <mia> there is also some games
[10:14] <mia> I use blizzard launcher
[10:14] <mia> so overwatch and such
[10:14] <Spookan> mia: Ok, well thoose programs i bet would be best to install again with wine as cfhowlett said.
[10:16] <tomreyn> if your computer has the needed resources available, you may have a better user experience by running these applications in a VM
[10:16] <cfhowlett> or ***possibly*** virtualbox + windows
[10:16] <tomreyn> so, a VM ;)
[10:17] <mia> hm
[10:17] <mia> compared yo Wine, you mean?
[10:17] <tomreyn> yes, also to dual booting if you'd have to reboot a lot
[10:18] <cfhowlett> dual booting might be the sanest option
[10:18] <tomreyn> or combining the two, if windows allows for it.
[10:19] <mia> wine wins to install things to c:/Program Files (x86/etc
[10:19] <mia> but where is that folder really
[10:19] <mia> cfhowlett, I currently have dual boot setup but my ubuntu interface is so clean that I don2t want to go back to windows any more :(
[10:20] <mia> also I do development in here, windows is a nightmare for it, and sometimes I need to reacch adobe programs for asset creatino
[10:20] <mia> so turning off and on is not a very nice solution for me as it slows down the dev progress
[10:20] <cfhowlett> completely understand.  sadly, and with full knowledge and multiple requests, adobe refuses native linux support of creative cloud.
[10:20] <cfhowlett> might I suggest ubuntustudio?
[10:20] <tomreyn> you can boot a physical windows installation in virtualbox under ubuntu. this might trigger the windows omg-user-changed-hardware-must-be-license-abuse detection, though.
[10:20] <mia> OH the licensing!
[10:20] <mia> I completely forgot about that
[10:20] <mia> dang
[10:21] <cfhowlett> https://lifehacker.com/build-your-own-adobe-creative-suite-with-free-and-cheap-5976725
[10:21] <mia> Okay technical question: where is ProgramFiles(x86) under ubuntu wine installation
[10:21] <mia> that looks like all my stuff is being installed to there under wine
[10:21] <mia> but I don't know where that folder is
[10:21] <tomreyn> should be "~/.wine/C/Program Files (x86)" or something
[10:23] <tomreyn> it's possible this moved to ~/.config/wine or ~/.local/share/wine or ~/.local/lib/wine since though.
[10:24] <tomreyn> https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine_User%27s_Guide#WINEPREFIX suggests it's still ~/.wine
[10:25] <mia> CRASHED AAARRRGGGHH
[10:25] <mia> ok not installing wine.
[10:26] <mia> I'll go back to my daily routine now, thank you tomreyn cfhowlett Spookan
[10:26] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[10:26] <tomreyn> yw
[10:26] <gofio> May the 4th be with you
[10:27] <tatertotz> and with you
[10:31] <export> tatertotz: you the same one from spotchat>
[10:31] <export> ?*
[10:34] <AlexPortable> What would be 'safer', a snap with a wine application, or a wine application with limited rights to read/write into a folder?
[10:35] <export> AlexPortable: i've seen a lot of you...
[10:35] <AlexPortable> export: what do you mean by that?
[10:35] <export> alEXPORTable lol
[10:36] <AlexPortable> heh
[10:37] <leonardus> Is this bad? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pryoA5bD/image.png
[10:37] <export> when people reply i get hilighted usually, but to answer your opinionated question.  i don't like snaps so hah
[10:39] <export> leonardus: probably
[10:39] <export> idk
[10:40] <export> what are you referring to?
[11:11] <tatertotz> yep
[11:18] <export> tatertotz: pretty sure i got glined, but i'm not sure lol
[11:18] <export> i tried connecting via telnet and it banned me, not sure if it's a permanent ban, or if it's client side. but it's hard to pinpoint at this junction.
[11:20] <jemark> q
[11:28] <guiverc2> AlexPortable, I believe a confined snap (not classic snap) would be safer than a wine app on a system (with restricted r/w), but it's my opinion only
[11:28] <guiverc2> export, please stay on-topic
[11:33] <Catzz> tomreyn: You there
[11:34] <tomreyn> Catzz: i'm really just one of several people here who do frenetic volunteer support. this said, yes.
[11:37] <Catzz> brilliant, but you know the story so far tomreyn, nearing an end
[11:37] <Catzz> this isn't Ubuntu at all, so let's go private for a second
[11:44] <arussel> I found a way to center/scaled background image, and I found a way to have 2 different background image on my 2 screens. Is there an app that would allow to center/scale 2 images on 2 screen ?
[12:04] <ChunkzZ> how can I make a script that a command is run on startup? ubuntu 18 LTS...
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:07] <jeremy31> ChunkzZ: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50695843/how-to-automatically-execute-shell-script-at-startup-boot-on-systemd-ubuntu-18-0
[12:32] <ChunkzZ> every time I reboot, minidlna isn't showing my files until I type "systemctl restart minidlna" and then it shows them.. I reboot and have to enter that command again?!
[12:35] <jeremy31> ChunkzZ: is the minidlna been enabled by systemctl?
[12:35] <ChunkzZ> jeremy31, yeah
[12:35] <ChunkzZ> I can see it through my browser to at 192.168.x.x:8200
[12:36] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: is the service being started before the network is available?
[12:36] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, no.
[12:37] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: does the service actually start at boot-time, but fail?
[12:37] <ChunkzZ> no it starts fine.
[12:38] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: does "journalctl -u minidlan.service" give any clues?
[12:38] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: excluding my typos!
[12:38] <ChunkzZ> when I type "systemctl status minidlna" it says: "V,/mnt/3TB/tvshows" not accessible [No such file or directory]
[12:39] <ChunkzZ> but it exists?
[12:39] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: the path suggests it requires /the/mnt/3TB to be mounted, so presumably it isn't, so the DLNA service needs to depend on all mounts being finished, which I think would be local-filesystems
[12:40] <ChunkzZ> it's mounted though
[12:40] <ChunkzZ> sda            8:0    0   2.7T  0 disk /mnt/3TB
[12:40] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: sorry, it'd depend (be after) local-fs.target
[12:41] <ChunkzZ> so what do I change?
[12:41] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: assuming that file-system is set to auto-mount in /etc/fstab
[12:41] <ChunkzZ> it is...
[12:43] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: so if you do "systemd-analyze critical-chain" I'd guess it'll show that minidnla started before local-fs.target completed
[12:44] <ChunkzZ> no it doesn't TJ-
[12:44] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: this may help also, since you ought to see local-fs.target reached before minidlna.service runs  "systemd-analyze critical-chain minidlna.service"
[12:45] <ChunkzZ> yeah that doesn't help
[12:45] <ChunkzZ> network-online.target @3.773s
[12:45] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I'd guess your minidlna.service unit-file needs a "Wants=local-fs.taget" and "After=local-fs.target"
[12:46] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: typo again! Here:  "Wants=local-fs.target" and "After=local-fs.target"
[12:48] <ChunkzZ> sec it's rebooting
[12:48] <ChunkzZ> and it's the same TJ- "V,/mnt/3TB/movies" not accessible [No such file or directory]
[12:49] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: which suggests the mount job has an issue, or the way you've added to the unit file is incorrect.
[12:50] <ChunkzZ> how? this is in my fstab: UUID="cf42967c-96a9-4445-af89-9480f450a82f" /mnt/3TB/ ext4 defaults,nofail 0 0
[12:51] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: at boot a systemd generator script converts all fstab auto entries into service jobs, so 1st we need to find the job that handlers that mount. Try "systemctl list | grep 3TB" to find the job name
[12:51] <obiwahn> hi here in line 614: https://travis-ci.org/ObiWahn/libobi/jobs/528141911
[12:52] <obiwahn> what can i do to prevent the generation of all that locales
[12:52] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: once you have the unit name (something like mnt-3TB.mount I'd guess) you can check its status with "systemctl status mnt-3TB.mount"
[12:52] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, Unknown operation list.
[12:53] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: sorry! "systemctl list-units | grep 3TB"
[12:53] <ChunkzZ> tive mounted   /mnt/3TB  TJ-
[12:53] <obiwahn> I have tried this to prevent it: https://github.com/ObiWahn/libobi/blob/master/support/travis/install-amd64#L12-L13
[12:53] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: so the name is "mnt-3TB.mount" ?
[12:54] <ChunkzZ> yeah TJ- mnt-3TB.mount
[12:56] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: Now let's check it is set to mount before local-fs.target, try "systemctl show mnt-3TB.mount | sort | egrep '(Before|After)='
[12:57] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: do the same for your minidlna.service and pastebin the results of both commands for us
[12:57] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, After=dev-disk-by\x2duuid-cf42967c\x2d96a9\x2d4445\x2daf89\x2d9480f450a82f.device -.mount system.slice local-fs-pre.target systemd-journald.socket
[12:57] <ChunkzZ> and Before=umount.target
[13:00] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I think the issue is there, but not sure why your system has a different Before= to mine. On mine (18.04) an fstab auto-mount has "Before=local-fs.target umount.target"
[13:02] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: that is created by the systemd fstab generator so not clear why yours doesn't have local-fs.target  ... but as you set your mindlna.service to use After=local-fs.target, and mnt-3TB.mount isn't set to Before=local-fs.target, it explains why the mount is not present when minDNLA starts
[13:03] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: the obvious solution is to change your mindnla.service so instead of using "local-fs.target" it uses "mnt-3TB.mount" for Wants= and After=-
[13:03] <silv3r_m00n> anybody know gimp ? why am i seeing 2 toolboxes ? https://ibb.co/DbwWjNS  ??
[13:04] <cfhowlett> silv3r_m00n/ #gimp would know
[13:05] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, can I just not run a script to do "systemctl restart minidlna.service" ? it'll be much easier. this is doing my head in!
[13:06] <ChunkzZ> it seems the hdd is mounting too quickly.
[13:06] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: a script to run a script? :)
[13:06] <ChunkzZ> yes.
[13:06] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: the obvious thing is to fix the dependency order and thats done
[13:06] <ChunkzZ> or delay it starting up...
[13:06] <cfhowlett> scriptception!
[13:07] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: delaying start-up is what After= and Wants= achieve
[13:08] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: if you can pastebin the minidlna.service file there may be something in it that is wrong we can fix
[13:10] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJjgDdXbCX/
[13:11] <kadiro> many before
[13:13] <ChunkzZ> it won't let me edit it, after I edit it, it changes back after a reboot. wth
[13:14] <kadiro> ah
[13:14] <ChunkzZ> what?
[13:14] <kadiro> something wrong
[13:15] <ChunkzZ> obviously... lol
[13:15] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: well, that explains it, it's being *generated* itself to run a SysV init script from /etc/init.d/
[13:15] <kadiro> I guess it is something wrong in /etc/init.d/minidlna itself
[13:15] <kadiro> or in its config file
[13:16] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: in other words, it is not a native systemd unit file
[13:17] <ChunkzZ> so how do I stop it?
[13:18] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: there is a way to add additional options, via an /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf file
[13:19] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: try this: "sudo mkdir /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d" then ...
[13:20] <kadiro> you want to disable the service?
[13:20] <TJ-> ChunkzZ:  ... "echo -e 'After=mnt-3TB.mount\nWants=mnt-3TB.mount\n' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf "
[13:20] <ChunkzZ> then what TJ- ?
[13:20] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: what this *sohuld* do is add the additional options to the generated options without the generator replacing/over-writing/removing them
[13:21] <ChunkzZ> sec, rebooting.
[13:21] <ChunkzZ> nope, doesn't work.
[13:22] <ChunkzZ> it's not showing the files still.
[13:23] <ChunkzZ> sec, rebooting again
[13:23] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: check if what we added was seen by systemd: "systemctl show minidlna.service | egrep '(Wants|After)='  "
[13:23] <sharon> hi there! can anyone help me to make my touchpad work properly again. i can scroll with two fingers but before it was only with one. which i like. also i have to click now instand of tap. thanks very much
[13:23] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: if it was seen that command should show "mnt-3TB.mount" for Wants and After
[13:24] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, still not working...
[13:24] <TJ-> sharon: that sounds like an improvement in the driver matching to me, *before* it was just behaving like a mouse device, now it is doing full multitouch
[13:24] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, Media directory "V,/mnt/3TB/tvshows" not accessible [No such file or directory]
[13:24] <fleabeard> hello friends, not sure why or how,but I can no longer right-click with my laptops touchpad (hp stream laptop), anyway to troubleshoot what's going on here?
[13:25] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: show me "pastebinit <( systemctl show minidlna.service )"
[13:25] <TJ-> sharon: I experienced the same thing some time ago
[13:26] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Q9MpNRgHQZ/
[13:27] <sharon> TJ: for me that is not an improvement. it isn't that sensitive anymore
[13:27] <sharon> TJ: You know how to fix that problem?
[13:28] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: so that shows that the values we want were not added to Wants/After
[13:28] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, I added them though: echo -e 'After=mnt-3TB.mount\nWants=mnt-3TB.mount\n' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf
[13:29] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: can you show me "pastebinit <( ls -la /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service* ; cat /etc/systemd/system/minidlna.service.d/override.conf )"
[13:29] <ChunkzZ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/csp98qvNMW/
[13:30] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: I'm suspecting the generator files cannot use overrides but I'm going to chweck on that, give me a minute or so
[13:35] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: according to help in the channel #systemd this should work, why not /join #systemd and lets see if the experts can figure out if I've got this correct!
[13:35] <anden> is there a command that is being called when you press Ctrl+V to paste?
[13:35] <ChunkzZ> what?
[13:35] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: join the #systemd channel
[13:36] <anden> i would like to trigger a paste event from the command line
[13:36] <Chaekyung> I see no mention of  systemctl daemon-reload  after changing .service files, that must be done or changes do not take effect
[13:38] <anden> is it possible? i'd rather not script xte or xdotool to press ctrl+v for me
[13:41] <OerHeks> anden, but ctrl +v *is* cli..
[13:41] <anden> what do you mean?
[13:41] <OerHeks> 'trigger a paste event from comandline"...
[13:42] <OerHeks> your question makes no sense to me
[13:42] <anden> yes, as in run a command that will trigger the paste event just as if i'd pressed ctr+lv
[13:42] <anden> ctrl+v *
[13:43] <anden> i'll explain the context: i'm building a shell script where i can select some text in a graphical program, press a key combination which triggers my script, my script runs and processes the data from the clipboard (since it was copied by selecting) and then pastes back the result over the selection
[13:44] <bindi> xclip
[13:44] <anden> yeah i'm already using xclip to read what is in the clipboard, but can i invoke it to paste to a GUI program?
[13:45] <anden> searching the xclip manpage for "paste" gives me a few results but nothing that makes sense to me really
[13:47] <ayekat> anden: it's... the second option in the man page, no?
[13:47] <ayekat> like, there is -in, and then there is -out
[13:47] <anden> that prints to standard output, but not to a GUI program like ctrl+v would
[13:47] <ayekat> ah yes
[13:48] <anden> the most relevant info i can find in that manpage is that under "-loops", where it says "(pastes into X applications)" which is what i want, but i don't get what that has to do with loops
[13:49] <kadiro> anden, may be xdotool for that stuff is useful
[13:49] <ayekat> anden: given that xclip is for CLI usage, you'll probably need to combine it with a tool that can input stuff to a GUI program
[13:49] <ayekat> like yeah, xdotool
[13:50] <anden> yeah, i've already run that and xte, they can both simulate keyboard input, but for some reason they glitch out half of the time and print out the wrong text, so i thought pasting it would be more reliable
[13:50] <ayekat> anden: the -loops option is more related to how long (i.e. how many paste actions) xclip keeps ownership of the selection
[13:51] <TJ-> Chaekyung: the user was rebooting each time to test, since it relied on an fstab auto mount. We fixed it though, override.conf was missing the "[Unit]" header :s
[13:51] <ayekat> anden: what command do you use, then?
[13:52] <anden> that glitches out?
[13:52] <anden> i tried xdotool type "$data" and xte "str $data"
[13:54] <ayekat> looking at how passmenu does it, try something like xclip -out | xdotool type --clearmodifiers --file -
[13:54] <anden> oh, clearmodifiers, that looks useful
[13:54] <obiwahn> what must i do to disable the generation of locales?
[13:55] <ayekat> anden: yeah, but also piping the content into xdotool rather than passing it as argument might be relevant
[13:56] <ayekat> obiwahn: what's the problem?
[13:57] <obiwahn> when i install something a long list of locales is generated in travis
[13:57] <obiwahn> i just need us.en_UTF8
[13:57] <thomascm> Hey everyone, I am trying to sign the Canonical contributor agreement form but I need a Project Contact? can anyone help me out with this
[13:57] <obiwahn> en_US.UTF-8
[13:58] <obiwahn> now i can not reboot or do something fancy
[13:58] <obiwahn> i have tried locale-gen --purge
[13:58] <obiwahn> i have tried to modify /etc/default/locales
[13:58] <obiwahn> and /etc/locale.gen
[13:59] <obiwahn> but the locales are still generated
[14:00] <TJ-> obiwahn: is it all the en_* locales?
[14:01] <anden> ayekat: sorry, just tried that (piping the input in) but it didn't help :(
[14:02] <ayekat> anden: what's wrong, though?
[14:02] <obiwahn> TJ-: https://travis-ci.org/ObiWahn/libobi/jobs/528163130
[14:02] <obiwahn> line 617
[14:02] <anden> ayekat: i'm processing a URL, and even though i'm running the same command over and over, sometimes it's being typed back by xdotool (or xte) as https:// like it should, and sometimes it comes out as https>&&
[14:03] <obiwahn> https://github.com/ObiWahn/libobi/blob/master/support/travis/install-amd64
[14:03] <anden> i'm also pushing the same data to a log file before xdotool is run, to ensure that it's not a problem with the input data
[14:04] <ayekat> anden: this is totally random, but : becoming > and // becoming && sounds like the swiss keyboard layout being involved :-}
[14:05] <anden> swedish, in my case
[14:07] <kadiro> anden, you used xdotool too? try something like xdotool type "$(xclip -o)"
[14:08] <kadiro> or better xdotool type "$(xclip -o -selection clipboard)"
[14:08] <anden> i did use xdotool. i do not store the data in my clipboard before writing it back, but in a variable in my script
[14:08] <anden> so i actually tried the following:
[14:08] <anden> xdotool type --clearmodifiers "$result"
[14:08] <anden> echo "$result" | xdotool type --clearmodifiers --file -
[14:08] <kadiro> what happen after thoses commands
[14:09] <anden> more than half of the time, the data comes back as expected, but every now and then (even when run on the same input) colons are replaced by > and slashes replaced by &
[14:10] <anden> so right now, i'm just doing: xte "keydown Control_L" && xte "key V" && xte "keyup Control_L"
[14:10] <anden> which works every time
[14:11] <TJ-> obiwahn: the list of locales to be generated is kept in /etc/locale.gen, try "grep -v '^#' /etc/locale.gen" to see if that matches what Travis is showing. If so, you can edit locale.gen and reduce the set to just the ones you want
[14:12] <obiwahn> did not work
[14:12] <ayekat> anden: it appears there are multiple keyboard layouts for sweden, but... is / on shift-7 and : on shift-. on your layout?
[14:13] <obiwahn> TJ-: they are exactly the files that are listed there
[14:13] <ayekat> obiwahn: when/how do you modify /etc/locale.gen? it appears the environment is built up from scratch each time, so unless you have a rule/setting/whatever that "pre-feeds" a custom locale.gen, I assume it will simply take a default one, no?
[14:13] <anden> ayekat: correct
[14:13] <TJ-> obiwahn: so you should be able to comment out the locales you do not want to be generated (prefix line with a #)
[14:14] <ayekat> obiwahn: ah wait, I haven't seen the install-amd64 there - ignore me
[14:17] <ayekat> anden: because that looks as if someone typed https:// on a keyboard labeled as if it was swedish, but the active keyboard layout being US, it really just types https>&&
[14:18] <ayekat> anden: I think it's a bug, actually: https://code.google.com/archive/p/semicomplete/issues/13
[14:20] <ayekat> actually, keyboard layout being an issue appears to be quite an issue, looking at the open reports: https://github.com/jordansissel/xdotool/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+layout
[14:25] <obiwahn> it drives me mad
[14:25] <obiwahn> https://travis-ci.org/ObiWahn/libobi/jobs/528170671#L363
[14:25] <obiwahn> it looks godd
[14:25] <obiwahn> good
[14:25] <obiwahn> i even delete the file :P
[14:25] <obiwahn> but still
[14:29] <anden> ayekat: huh, yeah. and it's not isolated to xdotool but happens just as often in xte, so i'm assuming the bug is really in a library they share?
[14:31] <TJ-> obiwahn: It's obvious why. You're writing the file a long time before the 'locales' paxkage is configured. When 'dpkg' runs the configure it calls the script /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.postinst which symlinks /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED to /etc/locale.gen
[14:31] <ayekat> anden: perhaps... I haven't explicitly encountered that issue yet (I just remember passmenu occasionally failing randomly, but I never bothered to check), and now I've switched to US-intl anyway
[14:32] <obiwahn> can i prevent it?
[14:32] <anden> i see. well thanks for sharing that info with me. so anyway, unless there is a command that can trigger the X clipboard paste event the same way ctrl+v does, i'm just gonna go with my keydown ctrl, key v, keyup ctrl hack and call it a day..
[14:33] <TJ-> obiwahn: so I think you need to do a "dpkg-divert ..." beforehand for the /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED and in addition write your file to that location so the postinst script links to it
[14:35] <TJ-> obiwahn: e.g. "dpkg-divert --divert /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED.dpkg --rename /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED && echo 'en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8' > /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED" before 'locales' package is installed
[14:59] <obiwahn> TJ-: :( meow https://travis-ci.org/ObiWahn/libobi/jobs/528179639
[14:59] <obiwahn> i think i give up soon
[15:00] <obiwahn> https://github.com/ObiWahn/libobi/blob/master/support/travis/install-amd64
[15:04] <TJ-> obiwahn: I don't see any mention of locales being generated in the job log
[15:06] <ericP> i just booted ubuntu-19.04-desktop-amd64.iso on a lenovo yoga (touch screen ROCKS, btw) and want a shell
[15:07] <obiwahn> https://travis-ci.org/ObiWahn/libobi/jobs/528181283#L626
[15:07] <ericP> i tried ctrl shift F1 for a virtual console but that didn't work. when i got to F6, the display got hosed.
[15:08] <ericP> i'm an XFCE user so i don't know how to use the default window manager ("unity" maybe). how do i get an xtern or gnome-terminal or kde equiv?
[15:09] <cfhowlett> ericP/ heck NO it's not unity!
[15:10] <OerHeks> just ctrl alt T gives a terminal
[15:10] <cfhowlett> xfwm4 is default
[15:10] <ericP> rockin, tx!
[15:10]  * ericP apologizes for guessing exactly the wrong name for the WM
[15:11] <xamithan> You mean gnome,  it's a DE not a WM
[15:11] <cfhowlett> no worries.  unity is no longer default on any official ubuntu versions
[15:12] <mok0> ericP: Windows-key + t often will get you a terminal. Works on my keyboard, I am running XFCE
[15:13] <OerHeks> ubuntu-19.04-desktop-amd64.iso sounds like standard gnome
[15:13] <ericP> mok0, seems not on this beast, but ctrl alt t worked
[15:13] <ericP> broght up a gnome-terminal
[15:13] <mok0> ericP: congrats :-)
[15:14] <ericP> i'm working off the usb stick 'cause i haven't namaged to find the fixed disk. parted only shows the USB disk and a maybe 2M loopback device
[15:15] <OerHeks> ericP, is this an EUFI machine? boot in uefi mode
[15:15] <OerHeks> !uefi
[15:18] <ericP> OerHeks, yep, but i haven't managed to shut off uefi in the BIOS. also was tempted to try to dual-boot 'cause the screen has been flickering and i want to reproduce the prob in windows (once i find someone who knows the login)
[15:19] <Catzz> test
[15:19] <TJ-> ericP: I'd have thought the Yoga wouldn't have a disk-drive, but use something solid-state, possibly an eMMC device (/dev/mmcblk*)
[15:20] <skraito> hey anyone here interested in playing some mmorpg
[15:20] <skraito> ?
[15:21] <OerHeks> skraito, wrong channel, dude
[15:21] <skraito> oh yeah
[15:21] <OerHeks> try #ubuntu-offtopic?
[15:21] <skraito> sorry
[15:22] <OerHeks> np, have fun!
[15:23] <ericP> TJ-, that makes sense. `fdisk -l` gives only some loops and the booted USB stick partition (/dev/sda1)
[15:24] <TJ-> ericP: I'd check the kernel log for clues, it sounds like the storage controller hasn't started successfully
[15:24] <TJ-> ericP: the other possibility is nvme with a controller ID the driver doesn't recognise
[15:25] <neure> hi
[15:25] <neure> how do I see which version of freetype I have?
[15:25] <Whitor> hi
[15:26] <neure> I believe I am affected by http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?52613 and I am using 18.04.2 LTS
[15:26] <OerHeks> freetype-config --version
[15:27] <neure> 21.0.15
[15:27] <OerHeks> post from 2017, unlikely ubuntu gives that version , seems like it is patched https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/freetype2-demos
[15:27] <neure> I see similar issue though
[15:28] <OerHeks> err https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/bionic/freetype
[15:28] <OerHeks> you can check out the changelog http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/f/freetype/freetype_2.8.1-2ubuntu2/changelog
[15:29] <neure> 52613 is not mentioned there
[15:29] <horribleapps> does anyone know how to get the raw usb data from webcam? Usb-hid doesn't detect the usb camera as a valid hid device.
[15:31] <mike802> you want to literally log a webcam?
[15:31] <TJ-> horribleapps: *which* raw data ?
[15:31] <mike802> why not just stream directly to html somewhere in eastern eu
[15:32] <sappheiros> How do I password-protect a file (i.e. spreadsheet)?
[15:34] <horribleapps> TJ-: I want to change v4l2 settings such as autofcus and see what the raw usb communication looks like is and compare that with the output I am seeing from uvc.
[15:35] <horribleapps> mike802: I want to change the settings from v4l2 (such as autofocus) and see what data goes back and forth from the camera and camera over usb. It's for my learning purposes, I guess.
[15:35] <Menzador> sappheiros: You can either encrypt a file using its creator app's built-in encryption tools (e.g., LibreOffice allows this for any ODF document), or use can use GNU Privacy Guard over the terminal with [ gpg -c $FILENAME ]
[15:35] <horribleapps> *I meant camera and computer
[15:35] <TJ-> horribleapps: you'd have to snoop the USB packets, using wireshark for example
[15:36] <Menzador> *or you can use GNU Privacy Guard
[15:36] <horribleapps> TJ-: wireshark, ok let me read about it. Thanks!
[15:36] <mike802> horribleapps: are you familar with writing drivers in c?
[15:36] <sappheiros> Menzador: thank you. i didn't see libreoffice's option there; i'll look again
[15:36] <sappheiros> is ods an ODF document?
[15:36] <sappheiros> 'open doc file', 'open doc spreadsheet', are these the acronyms? >_>
[15:37] <horribleapps> mike802: Nope! not at all! I am just trying to slowly understand it to be able to write drivers.
[15:37] <sappheiros> file > save as > save with password apparently
[15:37] <sappheiros> thank you
[15:38] <sappheiros> ... not seeing the save with password option though ...
[15:38] <horribleapps> mike802: I am hoping by understanding how data is being passed around, I can build an understanding of how it works and then be able to manipulate things...does that sound like a bad idea?
[15:38] <sappheiros> OpenDocument Format, apparently
[15:38] <mike802> usb-hid is ONLY limited for webcam?
[15:39] <sappheiros> there is no checkbox to save with password. libreoffice help lies to me :(
[15:39] <OerHeks> human-interface-devices, no
[15:40] <mike802> what else are you doing with raw usb data?
[15:41] <TJ-> sappheiros: I was signing Libreoffice documents this week; there's an option on the File menu for "Digital Sign..."
[15:41] <Menzador> sappheiros: Yeah, .odt, .odp, and .ods are all OpenDocument format (ODF)
[15:42] <Menzador> But like I mentioned before, GPG also works if you're going to work from Linux
[15:42] <horribleapps> mike802: I don't know what usb-hid is only limited for. I have gotten into a function that passes around data for uvc_ctrl. I want to compare the output of the uvc_ctrl function with what is coming out of the raw usb data.
[15:43] <horribleapps> mike802: I just need it for comparison sake and thats it. I don't know what I will do from there.
[15:45] <sappheiros> thank you. i will "man gpg" to learn how to use it
[15:45] <sappheiros> TJ-: yes I see Digital Signatures... but I thought that was to certify who last edited it, not to hide the contents without a password
[15:46] <TJ-> sappheiros: Oh, sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. I recall there's something on the File > Properties tabs that does that
[15:47] <TJ-> sappheiros: File > Properties... > Security > Protect...
[15:48] <sappheiros> i just found that, but that did not require a password to open the document
[15:48] <sappheiros> that is only to track changes
[15:49] <TJ-> sappheiros: in which case presumably it needs to be in some container first
[15:49] <sappheiros> i don't understand you, but i should leave now ... it looks to me libreoffice cannot secure documents, that i must use GPG as Menzador recommends.
[15:49]  * sappheiros bows
[15:49] <sappheiros> ciao
[15:50] <ericP> TJ-, poked through dmesg; found "scsi host<n>: ahci" followed by "ata<n>: DUMMY" where i'd expect at least ata1 to have something disk-ish
[15:51] <TJ-> sappheiros: File > Save > "Save with Password" checkbox lower-left of dialog
[15:51] <TJ-> ericP: that suggests there is no SCSI host controller at all
[15:52] <TJ-> ericP: care to share via pastebin the dmesg log?
[15:52] <ericP> !pastebin
[15:54] <mike802> its like a fat water-bug crawling around
[15:54] <TJ-> ericP: you can do "dmesg | pastebinit" (or "pastebinit <( list; of; commands; to; paste; stdout; from )" :)
[15:54] <mike802> roaches the size of dogs
[15:55] <cfhowlett> mike802/ check your channel.  this is ubuntu linux support not whatever you are discussing
[15:58] <ericP> TJ-, i'm working off a ro stick so i don't have nicities like pastbinit; used copy paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GkhP6PhWtp/
[15:58] <ericP> around line 800
[15:58] <TJ-> ericP: if you're using "Try Ubuntu" you can install (because the rootfs is in RAM
[16:01] <TJ-> ericP: can you also paste "lspci -nnk"
[16:02] <TJ-> ericP: line 581 and after hint at a PCI address-mapping failure for some device
[16:03] <TJ-> ericP: ALSO, more importantly, line 798 " ahci 0000:00:17.0: AHCI 0001.0301 32 slots 16 ports 3 Gbps 0x0 impl RAID mode"
[16:04] <TJ-> ericP: oops, wrong line copied, it shows "ahci 0000:00:17.0: Switch your BIOS from RAID to AHCI mode to use them"
[16:04] <TJ-> ericP: preceeded by "ahci 0000:00:17.0: Found 1 remapped NVMe devices."
[16:05] <ericP> huh, got no install candidate for `sudo apt-get install aptitude`. tried to edit sources.list and was told it was ro
[16:05] <OerHeks> ericP, on a live iso, you must run update first; sudo apt update
[16:05] <ericP> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DhkM75nMWk/
[16:06] <ericP> yeah, update worked. i was only editing the source.list to comment out the cdrom line
[16:07] <OerHeks> that would disable your usb 'cdrom-iso'
[16:07] <TJ-> ericP: so 2 things: switch to AHCI mode in firmware setup and you many need to do something to allow te nvidia GPU to map its resources, but that is less urgent
[16:08] <TJ-> ericP: nvme device should appear once firmware SATA mode is AHCI, not RAID
[16:08] <ericP> AHCI switch is in BIOS?
[16:08] <OerHeks> ah, good find TJ-
[16:13] <ericP> TJ-, found it in the BIOS, gonna hold off for an hour to see if i can get ahold of the administraor password so i can do dualboot. many thanks!
[16:16] <ericP> TJ-, in the mean time, is there a grub-y way to work from the USB disk (mount it on / and apt install stuff on it)?
[16:17] <bazul> hmm, what's the easiest remote desktop software (i'm using ubuntu in a arm machine)
[16:17] <bazul> would connect from windows
[16:17] <bazul> usually use RealVNC with my raspberrys
[16:18] <Qwerty710> hi
[16:19] <OerHeks> :-)
[16:23] <xamithan> What about tigerVNC
[16:24] <OerHeks> "What about tigerVNC" ??
[16:24] <OerHeks> looks like a question, but makes no sense
[16:25] <xamithan> It was an answer
[16:26] <OerHeks> oh oke, use the name of the questioneer :-)
[16:26] <TJ-> ericP: if you're using the LiveISO in "Try Ubuntu" mode you can install packages (the rootfs is RAM) but it won't persist
[16:27] <TJ-> ericP: in terms of installing to the USB, if it is the ISO image it would be difficult since the hybrid partitioning of the ISO would need to be altered
[16:28] <Qwerty710> okay, i didn't get what's goin on
[16:28] <OerHeks> Qwerty710, time to read the topic?
[16:29] <Qwerty710> yup
[16:36] <bazul> xamithan i will check tightvnc :O
[16:40] <horribleapps> I keep getting permission errors when trying to use wireshark. My user is in the wireshark group...I followed the instructions but I still keep getting permission errors
[16:40] <horribleapps> I am trying to sniff the usb via wireshark
[16:40] <TJ-> horribleapps: did the user logout/login again to make the group membership set
[16:41] <horribleapps> TJ-:yup I rebooted
[16:41] <horribleapps> TJ-:I type in groups in terminal and wireshark shows up as one of my groups
[16:41] <TJ-> horribleapps: is this a generic wireshark issue, or only crops up when trying to snoop USB?
[16:43] <horribleapps> TJ-:when I double click enp1s0(I am guessing is ethernet), it works fine. When I click on usbmon1 I get permissions error
[16:45] <horribleapps> TJ-:not able to even open the wireshark permissions file...
[16:45] <pavlos> horribleapps: modprobe usbmon (is this module loaded?)
[16:46] <horribleapps> TJ-: sorry I meant wireshark preferences file. I will try modproble usbmon
[16:47] <alexa> Guys, why can't I use keyboard shortcut (on gnome) to run programs?
[16:47] <pavlos> horribleapps: give regular user Read privs to all usbmon devices ... sudo setfacl -m u:$USER:r /dev/usbmon*
[16:48] <horribleapps> pavlos: I can't modprobe usbmon, I get an error: sudo: unable to send audit message: Operation not permitted                                           │
[16:48] <horribleapps> sudo: pam_open_session: System error                                                                  │
[16:48] <horribleapps> sudo: policy plugin failed session initialization
[16:48] <horribleapps> pavlos: sorry my copy paste got screwed up
[16:50] <pavlos> horribleapps: to monitor USB traffic you need the usbmon kernel module
[16:51] <pavlos> horribleapps: read this ... https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/USB
[16:53] <horribleapps> pavlos: ok let me read it, thanks for the link
[16:53] <pavlos> horribleapps: np
[16:57] <horribleapps> pavlos: gahhh!! stupid tmux was messing with my ability to do usbmon -_-
[16:57] <horribleapps> pavlos: I mean modprobe
[17:00] <TJ-> horribleapps: really? how was that?
[17:05] <horribleapps> TJ-: I kept getting unable to send audit message. I wouldn't tmux to act like that, but when I opened a new terminal window it worked
[17:06] <wondows> What determines where a new window should appear? When I run this program it always appears in the same location, which is undesirable. I have all my focus on one monitor and when I run this app it pops up in the second monitor.
[17:09] <TJ-> horribleapps: hmmm, from the messages you accidentally pasted, it looks like something is misconfigured for the user session via PAM
[17:09] <OerHeks> wondows, drag it to the disired monitor, close, and open again?
[17:10] <wondows> OerHeks: no, it continues to open in the same location. It's blender .279 btw
[17:10] <wondows> *2.79
[17:10] <OerHeks> else there is a gnome extention https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/16/auto-move-windows/
[17:10] <ChunkzZ> how do I install ubuntu's 19 server? I try and it says it has installed but it just boots me into bios?
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> ChunkzZ: come join in #ubuntu-server please
[17:11] <horribleapps> TJ-: I don't understand how an issue with PAM would only impact tmux
[17:12] <TJ-> horribleapps: it's sudo reporting the issue, so if executed from tmux could be an environment issue
[17:12] <ChunkzZ> lotuspsychje, no one's in there. lol
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> ChunkzZ: there is, just patient a bit ok
[17:14] <horribleapps> TJ-: you are worried about the sudo environment not configured properly?
[17:15] <TJ-> horribleapps: not worried, just trying to think how that error could happen
[17:16] <horribleapps> TJ-: there must be a way to check PAM configuration
[17:17] <u0_a77> hai
[17:18] <u0_a77> h
[17:18] <u0_a77> tes
[17:18] <isomari> from the cli, how can I configure utils like vim, less, man, etc to leave their screen visible after I exit? Meaning not to return to the cli with the view before calling the util. Hope I'm making sense.
[17:19] <horribleapps> TJ-: how do i paste the configuration of pam.d/sudo in this chat? It is made up of multiple lines
[17:19] <TJ-> !paste | horribleapps
[17:19] <horribleapps> ubottu: thanks!
[17:19] <TJ-> horribleapps: you can use the "pastebinit" command line tool
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> isomari: you open a manpage, and you exit, you want the terminal to exit too, is that what you need?
[17:20] <TJ-> horribleapps: e.g. "pastebinit /etc/pam.d/sudo" - but unless you've altered it I doubt that'll help. The clues will be in a system log, possibly /var/log/auth.log
[17:21] <isomari> lotuspsychje: no, I want to still see the man page when I exit.
[17:21] <horribleapps> TJ-: yea the /etc/pam.d/sudo doesn't really have anything that I find out of the ordinary
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> isomari: not sure i fully understand what you want yet then
[17:22] <TJ-> lotuspsychje:  isomari I think the intention is to not have the 'less' pager clear the terminal
[17:23] <isomari> if I open a man page and exit, I see the prompt with no trace of the man page that was just on screen. On my laptop, if I exit a man page, the prompt returns but the man page is not erased.
[17:23] <isomari> also the same for less, vim and most.
[17:25] <horribleapps> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vchgzcZdBR/ here is the link of the auth.log file but I don't think it is very helpful. You probably want to go to the very bottom to see the errors
[17:26] <isomari> TJ-: correct
[17:28] <TJ-> isomari: I think you need to set man's MANPAGER env-var to call "less -X" (less --no-init) - see "man less" and "--no-init" option
[17:28] <isomari> ok, update. The behavior I want only happens when my I'm workin on my laptop over mosh. If I'm on the laptop directly, it behaves the same as my desktop. So what's different about the mosh shell?
[17:28] <isomari> TJ-: it's not just man.
[17:29] <TJ-> isomari: this works for man at least:  MANPAGER="less -X" man man
[17:29] <TJ-> isomari: what you want is to prevent terminal init/deinit control codes being sent
[17:29] <TJ-> isomari: OK, so a mosh option then
[17:30] <isomari> TJ-: no. mosh is fine. It's when I'm directly on the system thats the problem.
[17:31] <isomari> I want the mosh behavoir on the stanadlone system
[17:31] <ducasse> isomari: check what TERM is set to
[17:31] <isomari> ducasse: ok
[17:31] <TJ-> isomari: are the OSes/releases/terminas the same on both?
[17:32] <isomari> no. laptop is disco, desktop is cosmic
[17:37] <isomari> I've seen the option in mosh if I wanted the reverse situation. THe default is mosh is working fine. I just need to find a way to configure the mcup initialization string and rmcup deinitialization string
[17:37] <TJ-> horribleapps: I think the problem is you used "usermod -a -G" - read "man usermod" for "-G" carefully - groups not on the list you pass are REMOVED! you should have used "sudo adduser horribleapps wireshark" to keep the existing supplementary groups
[17:38] <TJ-> horribleapps: actually, ignore that, "-a" changes that to append!
[17:41] <TJ-> horribleapps: it looks like the CAP_AUDIT_WRITE capability had been dropped
[17:41] <horribleapps> TJ-: let me see where that is
[17:41] <horribleapps> TJ-: where did you see that?
[17:42] <TJ-> horribleapps: I'm digging internally in the kernel capabilities
[17:42] <TJ-> horribleapps: it's the reason for the message "PAM audit_log_acct_message() failed: Operation not permitted"
[17:43] <horribleapps> TJ-: do you have a link I can see?
[17:43] <horribleapps> TJ-: or are you straight up reading kernel code?
[17:44] <TJ-> horribleapps: the latter
[17:44] <horribleapps> TJ-: oh, ok then I will believe you
[17:45] <TJ-> horribleapps: it may have been a transient issue; hopefully you cannot reproduce it :)
[17:46] <horribleapps> TJ-: i hope so too, lol
[17:48] <Kali_Yuga> hello since the last kernel upgrade my wifi doesn#t work anymore. what should I do. delete the newest kernel? the only thing that works is going into grub and selecting the previous kernel? can i delete the new kernel over synaptic or what should I do?
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: ubuntu version, kernel version? wifi chipset?
[17:50] <Kali_Yuga> it's ubuntu 18.04 with kernel <IP_ADDRESS> (the wifi is broken) and 4.15.47 (wifi works)
[17:51] <gebbione> hi, i guess not an ubuntu specific but i am trying to connect to a samba share and despite using the right credentials i am still getting NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[17:51] <gebbione> it used to work in the past with no fuss
[17:51] <Kali_Yuga> the chipset is Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[17:52] <Kali_Yuga> lotuspsychje: Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: realtek is pretty picky on kernel versions
[17:53] <Kali_Yuga> lotuspsychje: so what should I do next? delete the non working kernel?
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: i would file a bug against, see if there are duplicates first
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: after that you could test the realtek driver git as a test
[17:54] <Kali_Yuga> lotuspsychje: I have to use grub each time I boot and have to choose the previous kernel
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: can you use a cable on -48 to report the bug?
[17:56] <Kali_Yuga> lotuspsychje I don't know realtek driver. usually I don't mess with that stuff
[17:56] <wondows> I had got a new PCIe wifi card and to get it to work I had to sudo apt-get install broadcom-sta-dkms
[17:57] <gebbione> do you know once you select a previous kernel on grub does it stick to it or will it always try to use the latest on a new restart?
[17:57] <wondows> Kali_Yuga: mine is a TP-Link card. not sure that applies to you
[17:57] <Kali_Yuga> gebbione: No It always wants to use the latest version which doesn't work
[18:00] <Kali_Yuga> can this apply to me? https://askubuntu.com/questions/635625/how-do-i-get-a-realtek-rtl8723be-wireless-card-to-work
[18:00] <Kali_Yuga> does..
[18:02] <OerHeks> Kali_Yuga, i think you need a DKMS module to build the wifi driver after each kernel update
[18:02] <wondows> Kali_Yuga: have you tried sudo apt-get install broadcom-sta-dkms?
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> wondows: thats for broadcom cards
[18:03] <OerHeks> that ppa:hanipouspilot/rtlwifi is useless
[18:03] <Kali_Yuga> OerHeks: Okay
[18:05] <Kali_Yuga> OerHeks: I don't want to do that every time. especially because the previous kernel works ?
[18:06] <Scary_Hutman> hey, how can I isolate parts of my system? Like Jails on FreeBSD. I want to run some server applications and put them in a secure env.
[18:06] <Scary_Hutman> virtualization seems a bit overkill
[18:07] <jcotton> containers maybe?
[18:07] <GoDiegoGo> Hello! I can't post to UbuntuForums. I think it's because my email is not activated or something, but I don't have the activation email.
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: for testing purposes, booting a previous kernel is good, but not reccomended to keep running for security issues
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> Kali_Yuga: so i would go for reporting the bug to -48 kernel
[18:08] <Scary_Hutman> jcotton: u mean docker?
[18:09] <jcotton> that's a way
[18:09] <Scary_Hutman> hmm
[18:18] <gebbione> so annoying that smb doesnt work on ubuntu but afp does
[18:19] <xamithan> smb works fine on ubuntu
[18:19] <raver> Yep
[18:19] <xamithan> Sometimes there is version mismatches where you need to configure the options correctly,  but it works
[18:20] <gebbione> same credentials connect to share from samba returns NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE , AFP no problems ... maybe a kernel thing too as it used to work last time i used it maybe a couple of weeks ago
[18:20] <raver> By the way what's the difference between smbfs and cifs? And what should i prefer to choose
[18:20] <jcotton> cifs does not exist anymore
[18:20] <SwedeMike> raver: https://www.varonis.com/blog/cifs-vs-smb/
[18:20] <raver> Thx
[18:20] <xamithan> Did you check your security and workgroup settings and add the domain to your login ?
[18:21] <gebbione> xamithan, i just get the error now ... not sure how i need to configure the smb.conf. Everything looks fine
[18:21] <jcotton> https://blog.fosketts.net/2012/02/16/cifs-smb/
[18:21] <gebbione> there is no domain in my server setting
[18:21] <OerHeks> nfs if you can
[18:21] <xamithan> What backend are you using for authentication then
[18:21] <gebbione> i just smbclient -L nas-bizmate.local -U admin -W VOLUME
[18:22] <gebbione> xamithan, i think it uses the users on the remote server for the credentials, it is a ReadyNAS
[18:22] <xamithan> Sounds like a readyNAS issue to me
[18:23] <gebbione> possible, smb doesnt work from mac anymore
[18:23] <xamithan> You probably need to check the smb.conf config on that box and figure out how it auth's to troubleshoot anything
[18:25] <ioria> gebbione, or you can mount manually with   sudo mount -t cifs //readynas/share  /share   -o guest,uid=1000,nounix
[18:27] <GoDiegoGo__>  Hello! I can't post to UbuntuForums. I think it's because my email is not activated or something, but I don't have the activation email.
[18:28] <xamithan> We don't deal with forum issues here GoDiegoGo__
[18:28] <raver> ioria: that's what I'm doing
[18:28] <raver> Should I change to smb?
[18:29] <woenx> Hey. I am trying to install Ubuntu using a usb drive, in a new computer with a ryzen 3 processor and a nvidia 1050ti graphics card. When I select "try Ubuntu without installing", I see a series of messages on the screen, and the desktop is never visible (i see some garbled purple colors)
[18:29] <woenx> the first message is: AMD-vi: unable to write to IOMMU perf counter.
[18:30] <xamithan> !nomodeset | woenx
[18:30] <woenx> MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list
[18:30] <woenx> oh, nice, thanks
[18:30] <xamithan> Pretty common issue until you get the right drivers installed
[18:31] <woenx> ok
[18:31] <woenx> it happens since I update my bios version
[18:32] <Nomad_> Anyone have Flash (pepperlash even) in 19.10 ?
[18:32] <dracnoc> Is anyone still using flash these days?
[18:33] <pavlos> 19.10 ??
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> Nomad_: 19.10 support in #ubuntu+1 please
[18:33] <woenx> great, it worked :)
[18:35] <Nomad_> lotuspsychje: ack, thanks
[18:37] <bazul> meh failed to install retropie :P
[18:42] <marc_> is there a Pop!-OS anyone knows about, IGoogle but can p nill?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> !derivative | marc_
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> !derivatives
[18:43] <marc_> I understand that, its an inquirey, thats it
[18:43] <marc_> Thanks a load
[18:45] <tacomaster> I am just looking for the smoothest experiance becasues I am not wanting to constantly tweak things. Is it best to go with nvidia-driver-390 or 418?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> tacomaster: ubuntu version? graphics card chipset?
[18:46] <tacomaster> I have ubuntu 19.04, and a asus gtx 1070
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> tacomaster: gtx cards we reccomend the ubuntu graphics ppa
[18:46] <OerHeks> use ubuntu-driver autoinstall, i think it takes the 390?
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | tacomaster here
[18:46] <tacomaster> lotuspsychje: Normally the ppa drivers are not as tested? is that true in this case?
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> tacomaster: false
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> tacomaster: the ubuntu graphics ppa has good maintainers, and their ppa doesnt conflict into dependency nightmares
[19:05] <wuno> hi
[19:07] <OerHeks> :-)
[20:05] <caldarella> Hi guys, I have write this code but it is wrong: sed -i "155s/.*/        value: \"$SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1\"/g" stubby.yml
[20:06] <caldarella> why? return me: sed: espressione -e #1, carattere 65: opzione di `s' sconosciuta
[20:12] <kadiro> caldarella, you sure about the 155 before the s/ ?
[20:13] <RoBz> hey guys ive tried to update my laptop from 18.10 to 19.04 and now when i boot up, i just see my cursor on the purple background, can move the cursor but literally nothing else... any ideas what to try here?
[20:14] <marchal_> h
[20:15] <caldarella> @kadiro yes I have to replace the whole line 155 with the string "value: $SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1"
[20:15] <kadiro> caldarella, try to change the delimiter
[20:16] <caldarella> @kadiro and then what this the code
[20:16] <kadiro> something like sed -i "155s|.*|        value: \"$SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1\"|g" stubby.yml
[20:19] <kadiro> brb
[20:20] <Bashing-om> RoBz: What do you get when attempting to activate a console interface ( at the login screen key combo ctl+alt+F2 ) ? Can you log into the system here ?
[20:21] <adiaholic> anyone getting memory issues in ubuntu 18.04 with java taking almost all the ram available ?
[20:21] <caldarella> kadiro ?
[20:22] <RoBz> Bashing-om: doesnt seem to be doing anything unfortunately
[20:22] <jcotton> that's going to depend on the app being run no?
[20:23] <jcotton> adiaholic:
[20:23] <RoBz> it lets me enter my hard drive decryption password, then after that gets stuck at the purple screen, mouse is moving around fine
[20:26] <RoBz> might be worth mentioning this is on an old macbook pro, but it did work great out of the box on 18.10
[20:28] <tomreyn> RoBz: does pressing escape on the purple screen do anything? have you tried switching to other ttys?
[20:30] <RoBz> oooh actually my bad, ctl+alt+F2 has actually given me access to the terminal
[20:31] <RoBz> seems to have thrown two nouveau erros, PAGE_NOT_PRESENT
[20:33] <RoBz> ill see if i can boot with nomodeset
[20:35] <Bashing-om> RoBz: nomodeset is a good thought :)
[20:35] <sappheiros> is gpg the easiest way to password-protect or encrypt a LibreOffice file?
[20:35] <sappheiros> the man page is confusing and apparently incorrect
[20:37] <roothorick> How do I tell gdm3 to pass additional commandline arguments to the X server?
[20:39] <bprompt> sappheiros:   doesn't Libreoffice already have a protection feature for its docs?  not necessarily gpg-based though
[20:39] <kadiro> caldarella, yes
[20:40] <sappheiros> bprompt: haven't found it. the help docs indicate a 'save with password' checkbox that does not exist in actuality
[20:40] <sappheiros> properties > security > protect merely tracks changes
[20:41] <bprompt> sappheiros:    is it a .docx/xlsx/odf?   anyhow, check in File > Properties > Security > [protect]
[20:41] <sappheiros> yes, odf. bprompt, as i just said that merely tracks changes.
[20:42] <bprompt> sappheiros:    hmmm then yes, encrypt it with gpg or some other encrypting method, pgp or else
[20:44] <caldarella> kadiro i have try this but the variable it is write as not interpreted
[20:44] <caldarella> kadirosed -i -e '155s/.*/        value: \$\{SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1\}/g' stubby.yml
[20:45] <kadiro> caldarella, what is the generalet line looks like?
[20:45] <kadiro> generated*
[20:46] <caldarella> kadiro         value: ${SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1}
[20:46] <kadiro> thats good}
[20:46] <kadiro> or you want its value?
[20:46] <caldarella> kadiro is thus written in the file
[20:46] <caldarella> kadiro I want the value
[20:47] <caldarella> SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1=`echo | openssl s_client -connect '<IP_ADDRESS>:853' 2>/dev/null | openssl x509 -pubkey -noout | openssl pkey -pubin -outform der | openssl  dgst -sha256 -binary | openssl enc -base64`
[20:47] <kadiro> ok so remove the \ before the "
[20:48] <caldarella> @kadiro there aren't double quotes " ?
[20:49] <kadiro> sed -i '155s|.*|        value: '"$SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1"'|g' stubby.yml
[20:50] <kadiro> the |g i thing is useless in this case as you specified the line number
[20:52] <RoBz> thanks Bashing-om and tomreyn, nomodeset has solved it :D
[20:55] <Bashing-om> RoBz: Nomodeset is a stopgap measure .. not a final solution as it also defeats Kernel Mode Setting. Might at this point see what is going on with the installed graphic's driver.
[20:56] <RoBz> thanks man yeah good shout
[20:56] <caldarella> @kadiro works :D  but the 's' before 155 and 'g' at the end what does it mean?
[20:57] <kadiro> caldarella, 155 before s mean the line number 155 and the /g mean all ( continuously )
[20:58] <caldarella> @kadiro I did not understand why you said before that the 'g' is not needed
[20:59] <kadiro> caldarella, when you specify the line number the /g is useless as it is used to continue when on many lines that much something
[21:00] <caldarella> @kadiro so what do I leave or take it off?
[21:00] <kadiro> also never used -i if you are not sure, make a copy or use -i.bak
[21:01] <kadiro> caldarella, remove the g after /
[21:02] <caldarella> kadiro so?: 	sed -i '155s|.*|        value: '"$SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1"' stubby.yml
[21:02] <kadiro> sed -i '155s|.*|        value: '"$SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1"'/' stubby.yml
[21:03] <kadiro> oops sed -i '155s|.*|        value: '"$SPKI_DNS_SERVER_1"'|' stubby.yml
[21:03] <kadiro> i forget that we changed the delimiter
[21:05] <kadiro> caldarella, to understand better as i'm not good to explain try joining #bash or ##sed channels
[21:08] <selly> hello, i went through this tutorial to set up Google Authenticator 2FA for SSH on my server. https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/configure-ssh-2fa#1    now i'm sshing to the server, i get the MOTD, and then "connection closed". How can I diagnose?
[21:10] <leftyfb> selly: look in your logs
[21:22] <selly> leftyfb: i dont know what i'm looking for. i think i can post the -vvvv?
[21:23] <leftyfb> selly: if you don't know how to find or read logs, why are you trying to setup 2fa with google? Why not just use ssh keys?
[21:24] <selly> leftyfb: i was led to believe that 2fa was a good idea and it was easy to set up. now i'm locked out of my server.
[21:25] <leftyfb> selly: login on the console and undo the changes you made and just use ssh keys. Disable password authentication in ssh
[21:25] <selly> leftyfb: are you just referring to the ssh client -vvvv output, or is there some other log?
[21:25] <selly> leftyfb: i don't have another way in until monday :\
[21:25] <selly> (bad planning i know)
[21:26] <leftyfb> selly: then you'll have to wait till Monday. There's nothing else you can do with it now if you cannot get into it.
[21:26] <selly> leftyfb: i'm hoping that someone can help me understand and debug from client side. i'm sorta optimistic since i am getting the MOTD, that i seem to be authenticated
[21:27] <leftyfb> selly: there's nothing you can do from the client side.
[21:27] <selly> leftyfb: does my reasoning make sense, that i must be authenticated if i'm getting motd?
[21:27] <leftyfb> selly: we have no idea until you look at logs on the server
[21:28] <selly> debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey).
[21:31] <selly> everybody agree there's no way to make progress on this without server logs?
[21:32] <leftyfb> selly: correct
[21:32] <selly> i'm asking for a second opinion :)
[21:34] <tomreyn> selly: here's the second opinion: won't work.
[21:34] <selly> ok. thank you both
[21:36] <muzammil> hello
[21:36] <tomreyn> selly: what you could, since you initally get a login, is to try to sftp in, but i don't think that's going to work either.
[21:36] <tomreyn> *try
[21:36] <tomreyn> hi muzammil
[21:37] <muzammil> i'm newbie here
[21:38] <OerHeks> odd, this tutorial gave other commands too. https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/ssh-two-factor-authentication-ubuntu-16-04-google-authenticator
[21:38] <OerHeks> UsePAM yes
[21:38] <leftyfb> tomreyn: clever
[21:39] <Bashing-om> muzammil: You have found the ubuntu operating system support channel :D
[21:39] <muzammil> i just installed linux mint
[21:39] <leftyfb> !mint | muzammil
[21:39] <OerHeks> muzammil, hurray \0/  but we do not support mint here
[21:40] <OerHeks> they have their own issues
[21:40] <jeremy31> muzammil: you might be able to get support at an unofficial channel ##linuxmint
[21:40] <selly> tomreyn: `scp -vvv afile host:` hangs at "Connecting to ...`
[21:40] <tomreyn> muzammil: but be sure to revisit us if you choose to install ubuntu instead.
[21:41] <muzammil> ok thanks for guidanc
[21:41] <tomreyn> selly: i did not mention "scp"
[21:41] <muzammil> is it ubuntu better than linux mint?
[21:41] <jeremy31> muzammil: not much difference
[21:41] <OerHeks> muzammil, there only one way to find out
[21:42] <selly> tomreyn: oops
[21:42] <TheAmorphous> Hey guys, bit of an emergency here and I'm freaking out.  Are there any mdadm experts here that could take a moment to 1 on 1 about a missing array?
[21:42] <muzammil> ok thanks
[21:43] <selly> tomreyn: `sftp host` -> `Received message too long<PHONE_NUMBER>`
[21:43] <selly> btw i have a ProxyJump in my ssh config for this destination
[21:43] <tomreyn> selly: it's monday then
[21:44] <selly> tomreyn: ok
[21:45] <selly> what are the lessons? 1) don't change ssh config on the weekend ...
[21:46] <tomreyn> selly: while remote and without an alternative control channel, you don't touch configurations which can affect your ability to connect or authentication or authorization to the service you are trying to manage.
[21:47] <OerHeks> selly, maybe the ubuntu doc missed a crucial step https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/ssh-two-factor-authentication-ubuntu-16-04-google-authenticator
[21:48] <tomreyn> selly: consider using a serial console switch (or just serial connection to anoither computer you could still ssh into) or IP KVM if that's an option / worth it.
[21:49] <tomreyn> selly: and if you really think you want to shoot yourself in the foot on a temrinal, be sure to at least have and keep another terminal open where you are already logged in to the server
[21:50] <tomreyn> s/temrinal/ssh connection/
[21:50] <tomreyn> you could also consider starting a secondary ssh server listening on a different port, with a different configuration, as a fallback.
[21:53] <selly> tomreyn: what would be the role of the serial console switch here?
[21:53] <TheAmorphous> Any mdadm experts here?  I have a failed array I'm trying to fix.
[21:53] <selly> TheAmorphous: people don't usually volunteer as experts, but someone might be able to help if they hear your question
[21:53] <tomreyn> TheAmorphous: just post details on paste.ubuntu.com and the url here
[21:54] <TheAmorphous> RAID5 array that's been working for years, installed some Docker containers that pointed to it.  Now when I boot there's nothing where it used to be mounted except a folder created by a Docker container.
[21:54] <tomreyn> selly: a serial console is an alternative 'channel' to manage a server, which does not depend on the target to have a working network or ssh configuration
[21:55] <TheAmorphous> mount md0 says md0 does not exist.  fdisk-l says Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary.
[21:55] <tomreyn> selly: a (networked) serial console switch allows you to ssh into the switch, and to initiate a serial connection to the target from there
[21:57] <tomreyn> TheAmorphous: just "mount md0" or "sudo mount /dev/md0 /mnt/mypreviouslycreatedmointpoint"?
[21:57] <TheAmorphous> mdadm --detail shows active, degraded, not started
[21:58] <tomreyn> TheAmorphous: post all those command's outputs. you can use !pastebinit or    echo 'hello world' | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:58] <tomreyn> indicate which exact commands created those outputs when you post their urls
[21:59] <TheAmorphous> !pastebinit
[22:01] <selly> tomreyn: thanks
[22:03] <mra90> why assigning a string to a variable inside fot loop *casts* it to numerical value
[22:03] <tomreyn> selly: you're welcome. if you have more questions about these hardware driven options, this is actually much more of a topic for ##hardware (to a degree, #ubuntu-server also matches IMO).
[22:04] <mra90> In command line I do " for ((i=0, var="lol";i<10000;i++)) do echo $var; sleep 0.5s; done" and it prints 0
[22:04] <tomreyn> mra90: ask in the channel of the programming or scripting language you are using
[22:04] <mra90> why is that?
[22:04] <mra90> tomreyn: this is bash
[22:04] <tomreyn> so?
[22:04] <selly> mra90: #bash
[22:05] <mra90> selly: tomreyn ok thanks
[22:15] <TheAmorphous> Okay guys, I've managed to get this RAID5 array mounted and get some data off (most was backed up), but now mdadm --detail is still showing one of the five drives as "removed."  The drive is healthy, how can I add it back to the array?
[22:17] <tomreyn> we're still waiting for command output
[22:18] <TheAmorphous> Sorry, was getting the array mounted.  https://pastebin.com/pCkzXSpE
[22:18] <TheAmorphous> Can I run mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdf1 and then mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdf1 to fix?
[22:19] <Spookan> I'm trying to run a game, and it says i need "libstdc++.so.6", but i cant install it with apt-get, should i just search the web for it then?
[22:21] <jeremy31> Spookan: Yes, search for it as it is likely part of a package
[22:26] <tomreyn> TheAmorphous: before re-adding a failed device to an array, would it not make sense to determine why it failed?
[22:27] <exell> I'm unsure if its the right place to ask, I installed a program using pip3 from github repository, however, its meant to run from terminal (ubuntu 18.04) but it says command not found but there were no errors on install. The program is twint
[22:29] <horribleapps> does anyone know how to see the "Leftover Capture data" in wireshark?
[22:30] <tomreyn> TheAmorphous: also, in case you're not aware that RAID-5/-6 should no longer be used nowadays, read https://www.baarf.dk/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt (or the html version of it at https://www.askdbmgt.com/why-raid5-should-be-avoided-at-all-costs.html )
[22:30] <TheAmorphous> I'll check it out, thanks
[22:35] <tomreyn> exell: immportant parts of ubuntu depend on python, so when using python on ubuntu, you must make sure you do not break core functionality by affecting the system wide python installation. you can use "virtualenv" and "pip3 install --user <package>" to do so.
[22:36] <tomreyn> exell: don't use pip(3) with sudo, use the python command which matches the python version you want to run ("python" / "pip" usually runs pythoin 2.x, "python3" / "pip3" usually runs python 3.x)
[22:37] <tomreyn> exell: to be able to run the "twint" python code you downloaded using pip3, you may need to add its installation directory to your users' PATH
[22:43] <vlt> exell: Yes, never sudo pip!
[23:37] <pavlushka> I am trying to find a pdf among many in a folder which has a specific string, how can I achieve it?
[23:38] <OerHeks> !info pdfgrep
[23:40] <kazdax> i dont seem to see a python3.7 instal on my machine
[23:40] <kazdax> i looked up gnome software manager and i dosnt have it
[23:41] <kazdax> it*
[23:41] <OerHeks> !info python3.7
[23:42] <pavlushka> OerHeks: like "less prefix* | grep -l 13a" but no result and "less prefix* | grep 13a" gives a match and now looking into pdfgrep now
[23:42] <OerHeks> enable universe perhaps?
[23:42] <OerHeks> pavlushka, is the string just in the name of the pdf?
[23:43] <pavlushka> OerHeks: no, It's in the context
[23:43] <streamline> any of you use pythonanywhere?
[23:43] <OerHeks> oke, then pdfgrep is what you want, i guess
[23:43] <OerHeks> or an impressive oneliner
[23:45] <pavlushka> OerHeks: yes, it is, ty
[23:54] <guzzlefry> What are the odds of a dist-upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 going smoothly?
[23:55] <OerHeks> start with a fresh iso on usb just in case, and have fun upgrading
[23:55] <OerHeks> see the releasenotes
[23:57] <guzzlefry> I read that as "low" :P
[23:58] <OerHeks> :-)


[09:13] <alan_g[m]> Saviq, RAOF (he/they) this is the video I was thinking of yesterday: https://youtu.be/Xur5QT3FN00 (older than I thought)
[10:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** graysonguarino opened [pull request #2726](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2726): IdleInhibit cleanup
[10:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[10:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > I just stumbled across this by accident. Wondering how I snuck this in there 🤔
[12:09] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2726](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2726): IdleInhibit cleanup
[12:56] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** graysonguarino opened [issue #107](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/issues/107): Frame does not check if diagnostic file is text... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2629c174aac74d8ea7f5a888c9ac561c8c51628d>)
[12:56] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** graysonguarino edited [issue #107](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/issues/107): Frame does not check if diagnostic file is text


[09:55] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: Storing a database becomes problematic if there is more than one source of Python modules, surely?
[09:56] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: Consider the case where I activate a --system-site-packages virtualenv for the first time in six months after a bunch of changes to the system Python packages.
[09:56] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: Or the case where I have a Python library in my local directory.
[09:56] <Odd_Bloke> Or really any case where I modify PYTHONPATH. :p
[16:10] <rharper> smoser: on my trusty image, the procps service applies the cloud-init ipv6 priv extensions after network config (as designed); and clears existing ipv6 ips.   During boot we apply an ipv6 address to an interface (via udev event, call ifup on bond0.108 which sets ipv6 ip), the sysctl from procps service runs once the network is up; we switch from default mode of tmpaddr=2 to tempaddr=0 which ends up wiping the ipv6 addre
[16:10] <rharper> ss that was previously set;  note the recent comment on the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/1068756 for why this doesn't break in xenial
[16:11] <smoser> that is a pretty dense one line irc statement
[16:11] <rharper> yeah
[16:13] <smoser> that seems busted.
[16:13] <smoser> to apply the change (and wipe ip addresses) after they've been configured
[16:13] <smoser> doenst it ?
[16:13] <rharper> read the comments on the bug; there's some trusty kernel patch that triggers the wipe
[16:14] <rharper> yeah
[16:14] <rharper> so, from utopic on, we dropped it
[16:14] <rharper> but good ol trusty keeps on keeping on
[16:15] <rharper> and here I was cursing at ifupdown when it wasn't its fault
[16:19] <smoser> i have found this bug before
[16:20] <smoser> pretty certain once when one of the maas team was doing ipv6 stuff i found it.
[16:21] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/1352255
[16:21] <smoser> rharper, there, comment 5 would have saved you a couple days
[16:21] <smoser> :-(
[16:22] <smoser> i'm really sorry, rharper
[16:22] <rharper> heh
[16:22] <rharper> well, the comment in the sysctl file
[16:22] <rharper> helped
[16:23] <smoser> yeah, rharper so its even awesomeer than you thought
[16:23] <rharper> smoser: in #lxd, stgraber says that it's a mistake that it was dropped
[16:23] <smoser> because if you switch the order of the stanzas, it can work i think.
[16:26] <rharper> right, for some reason if I bring up bond0.208 (only v4) and then the 108 with v4+v6; that worked (without disabling the v6 change in tempname)
[16:27] <rharper> but that's racy; possible if we can get the procps sysctl to re-trigger networking; I don't know...
[16:27] <rharper> or if we could set the v6 tempname to 0 earlier (rather than procps service)
[16:52] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/1379427 is mentioned from the other bug.
[16:53] <smoser> key statement there:
[16:53] <smoser> "The result is that things that were waiting on 'static-network-up', expecting that would provide them with expected networking are not actually guaranteed anything other than the first stanza for each interface."
[16:53] <smoser> ugh...
[17:53] <harlowja> Odd_Bloke surely said things are solveable :-P
[17:53] <harlowja> and scanning all the things isn't exactly a good solution :-P
[17:53] <harlowja> least python could do is cache some stuff
[17:53] <harlowja> hash(sys.pythonpath) ---> make a file of entrypoints per hash?
[17:54] <harlowja> and use that hash if possible going forward, blah blah
[17:54] <rharper> sorta like ld.so.cache
[17:58] <harlowja> ya, some crap like that
[18:19] <smoser> well, but where would it put that ?
[18:20] <smoser> it does seem to sanely cache , but the first pass per python interpretor fills that cache.
[18:20] <smoser>  /sbin/ldconfig  is wrought with failure paths too
[18:21] <rharper> but it mostly just works
[18:22] <rharper> we're not in new territory; so it's best to dig at previous proposals in this space
[18:22] <rharper> google has shown me plenty of folks with the idea; not many actual attempts or details;
[18:41] <cn28h> can anybody tell me what the "Ssh Authkey Fingerprints" plugin does? is that responsible for installing the public ssh keys for cloud-user (or whatever user you've chosen)?
[18:41] <cn28h> asking because we saw it fail unexpectedly
[18:41] <cn28h> (we're not injecting any ssh keys)
[18:42] <cn28h> I don't think it's a big deal, but want to understand.. and if one plugin fails, will cloud-init continue processing the rest?
[18:51] <cn28h> hm.. reading the code it looks rather like it's actually displaying the keys that were injected in pretty tables
[18:51] <cn28h> not actually injecting keys
[20:54] <smoser> cn28h, i have seen a race condition on it i think.  but often times you see that failures as a result of something else failing.
[20:55] <smoser> if you saw it and can reproduce, i'd love to see a /var/log/cloud-init.log
[20:55]  * smoser out


[03:38] <Kilos> Fetched 150 MB in 2min 44s (916 kB/s)
[03:39] <Kilos> morning all
[03:39] <Kilos> later
[04:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[04:02] <Kilos> updated/upgraded 3 drives and everyone still sleeping
[04:02] <Kilos> enjoy, its cold out here
[06:12] <MaNI> heh
[06:12] <Kilos> hi
[06:14] <MaNI> hi
[06:17] <MaNI> http://www.freedomwon.co.za/freedomcorprice.html < curious it's like a local powerwall except with terrible branding
[06:18] <Kilos> i see mercedes is also bringing them to za
[06:21] <MaNI> too bad there don't seem to be local LiFePo4 manufacturers, looking at overseas prices those seem to be the currently best option
[06:43] <Kilos> sigh they all expensive
[07:13] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[07:13] <Tonberry> hi
[07:37] <MaNI> yeah
[07:37] <MaNI> batteries ruin everything :p
[08:35] <MaNI> sheesh when its not eskom its telkom
[08:41] <Kilos> what now
[08:44] <MaNI> no idea - adsl is dead, I've switched to my backup internet
[08:44] <Kilos> my net is getting faster
[08:44] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4429468074
[08:44] <MaNI> it makes me sad that I actually have a backup internet, seems I need backup everything
[08:44] <Kilos> whats your backupr interne
[08:44] <Kilos> t
[08:45] <MaNI> I have a link to a local wifi provider that I use as backup
[08:45] <MaNI> it's pay per gig so I have to behave while I'm on it
[08:48] <Kilos> oh my, but good to have the option at least
[08:49] <MaNI> yeah
[09:39] <Kilos> oh my, kde even has a bazaar explorer
[16:58] <inetpro> wb barrydk
[17:02] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:46] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[17:46] <inetpro> what's wrong?
[17:47] <Kilos> ty inetpro  nothing, i was expecting load shedding and it didnt happen
[17:50] <inetpro> Kilos: follow @Eskom_SA on twitter
[17:50] <Kilos> hi monkeyjoe
[17:50] <Kilos> oh Squish102
[17:51] <inetpro> there was no loadshedding today
[17:51] <Kilos> ty inetpro   will ask you to remind me tomorrow again
[17:51] <inetpro> Kilos: do it now
[17:51] <Kilos> i got no browser open
[17:51] <inetpro> ai!
[17:51] <Kilos> sigh
[17:52] <inetpro> open it
[17:52] <Kilos> ok ok
[17:52] <inetpro> unless you don't want to
[17:52] <inetpro> I mean, it's kinda useless to follow them if you don't use your browser
[17:53] <Kilos> just today man , i have 20 sites open everytime
[17:53] <Kilos> but ill use epiphany
[17:56] <inetpro> if only twitter allowed us to read tweets with rss feeds we could get Maaz to poll and keep us up to date right here
[17:57] <barrydk> hi kilos, inetpro
[17:57] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[17:57] <inetpro> barrydk: nice to see you here for a change
[17:57] <Kilos> ya that could hlp inetpro
[17:58] <monkeyjoe> hmm need to change nick on freenode
[17:58] <barrydk> playing a bit of minetest
[17:59] <squish102> barrydk: how does that compare to minecraft?
[18:00] <Kilos> i been reading lots of stuff about google and the nsa and all that stuff, now i trying duckduckgo as a search engine
[18:00] <inetpro> join #minetest-za to chat with other za players
[18:02] <barrydk> Dont know minecraft, look around for Mazal he got both, all i know is if you start it it's hard to stop
[18:02] <squish102> Kilos: i've tried a few search engines... most are disappointing
[18:02] <Kilos> yes goodle is the most sophysticated and efficient
[18:03] <squish102> other than the big ones and they all selling your information in some way
[18:04] <Kilos> i like opera browser but 20 tabs open then i start reading one and forget why i actually opened the browser
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[18:07] <Kilos> what
[18:07] <inetpro> still haven't learned to use Trello?
[18:07] <Kilos> ai!
[18:07] <Kilos> its open every day man
[18:08] <Kilos> nothing new happened there for weeks
[18:08] <inetpro> you want to research something, create a card and add relevant links to the card, then close relevant tabs on teh browser and move on to the next
[18:09] <Kilos> nono man peeps will think im nuts
[18:09] <inetpro> and then you can revisit a topic at any time
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: you do not have to share it with us
[18:09] <inetpro> create your own board
[18:09] <inetpro> or create a family board even
[18:09] <Kilos> i dont mind sharing
[18:09] <Kilos> but theres too much evil out there
[18:10] <inetpro> Kilos: you can even do like superfly and create your own public board
[18:10] <Kilos> lol
[18:10] <Kilos> yaya
[18:11] <inetpro> or make it private and share only with those you trust around you
[18:12] <inetpro> it's not rocket science
[18:12] <Kilos> yes it is man
[18:12] <Kilos> i dont mind sharing , but even here peeps will thing im coocoo
[18:13] <Kilos> lol i even read about the lizard peeps
[18:14] <Kilos> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_internetgoogle.htm#Additional_Information
[18:15] <Kilos> and i saw a ubuntu netbook or something with only a 10 inch screen thats supposed to be available here
[18:15] <Kilos> R1499
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe we just need to find a new twitter bot
[18:39] <inetpro> one that only reads tweets
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> then you dont see some home made butternut soup and Futurama on Netflix.
[18:40] <inetpro> ibid needs some updaring
[18:40] <inetpro> ipdating as well
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <Kilos> updating
[18:41] <inetpro> ai!
[18:41] <inetpro> I see there are ways to make rss feeds from twitter
[18:41] <inetpro> eg: https://twitrss.me/twitter_user_to_rss/?user=Eskom_SA
[18:41] <inetpro> but ibid fails to read that
[18:42] <Kilos> well thats a job for someone that can read the code
[18:42] <Kilos> and edit it i suppose
[18:45] <Kilos> grab grumbles
[18:45] <Kilos> he hates coding but he is good at it
[18:45] <smile> bye :)
[18:45] <Kilos> toods smile
[18:45] <Kilos> sleep tight lad
[18:46] <smile> don't forget to check out my cool new addon! :D
[18:46] <smile> https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/translate-now/
[18:46] <Kilos> sorry i didnt even see you here
[18:46] <smile> I was working on that stuff :D
[18:46] <Kilos> nono i dont use fox
[18:46] <smile> Kilos: just send it to people who use Fox :D
[18:47] <Kilos> they will see it here
[18:47] <smile> not sure :D
[18:47] <smile> good night
[18:47] <Kilos> night lad
[18:55] <inetpro> ooh! nice addon
[18:55]  * inetpro likes it
[18:55] <Kilos> he is clever that lad
[18:59] <Kilos> inetpro  i forgot the command thing to follow on tweet place is it /follow Eskom_sa
[18:59] <inetpro> what command thing?
[18:59] <Kilos> to follow from text mode man
[19:00] <inetpro> you mean on pidgin?
[19:00] <Kilos> i remember follow and unfollow
[19:00] <Kilos> no twitter
[19:00] <Kilos> via browser
[19:00] <inetpro> you have twitter on cli?
[19:00] <inetpro> ai!
[19:00] <Kilos> nope to cli
[19:01]  * inetpro is lost
[19:01] <inetpro> on the browser you just click follow
[19:01] <Kilos> when i first started using it i typed in follow and unfollow but forget how
[19:02] <Kilos> i dont see them so where do i tick follow
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: can you give me a screenshot please
[19:04] <inetpro> when you started with twitter it was still very open and accessible from many applications
[19:04] <inetpro> and it was also open for abuse
[19:04] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co/1ckNwED2.png
[19:05] <inetpro> ai!
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: go to https://twitter.com/Eskom_SA
[19:05] <Kilos> ok
[19:05] <Kilos> ty
[19:06] <Kilos> yay ty i found follow button
[19:07] <inetpro> no commands really, just click
[19:08] <Kilos> i remember typing in follow and unfollow but have no idea how i opened it back then
[19:08] <Kilos> not serious
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: what happened to your friend 009?
[19:10] <Kilos> zero?
[19:10] <Kilos> he ran out of data again looks like
[19:10] <Kilos> shame
[19:10] <inetpro> ai!
[19:21] <Kilos> ai! inetpro  useless following eskom man
[19:22] <Kilos> tswane does their own thing
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:24] <Kilos> ?
[19:25] <inetpro> it all starts and ends with eskom
[19:25] <Kilos> yes man but the tswane peeps decide which areas around here go off when
[19:26] <inetpro> yes but if there's enough power then tshwane don't do the shedding
[19:26] <Kilos> eskom just tells them save so mauch at such a time
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: I never said you can see with this when they cut oom Kilos' farm from the grid
[19:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:27] <Kilos> well thats what is important to me
[19:28] <Kilos> even this buurt wag dont understand tswane schedule
[19:28] <Kilos> noyhing fits in with what they publish
[19:28] <Kilos> nothing
[19:28]  * inetpro disagrees
[19:28] <Kilos> sigh
[19:30] <Kilos> wb Cryterion`hiding
[19:31] <Kilos> i go make a hot water bottle and go to bed
[19:31] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:33] <magespawn> good evening
[19:35] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[19:36] <Cryterion> hmm, that's looks better
[19:36] <inetpro> wb Cryterion
[19:36] <Cryterion> tks Kilos
[19:37] <Cryterion> and inetpro
[19:37] <inetpro> Cryterion: he's gone
[19:37] <Cryterion> xchat fighting me
[19:37] <Cryterion> hmm, hadn't read further
[19:39] <inetpro> Cryterion: fight back and win
[19:40] <magespawn> Cryterion: xchat? on windows?
[19:41] <magespawn> is kilos on load shedding?
[19:41] <inetpro> magespawn: no
[19:42] <magespawn> ahh well thats good, probably just tired and cold then
[19:42] <inetpro> yep, looks like it
[19:43] <inetpro> oh and it looks like he's disappointed that he didn't get loadshedded this afternoon
[19:45] <magespawn> disappointed? that does not make sense really
[19:45] <magespawn> i thought most people would be happy
[19:47] <inetpro> exactly... but seems to me the city of Tshwane change in schedules has a very long tail
[19:48] <inetpro> many people still don't get it that things have changed
[19:48] <magespawn> the uncertainty can be more of a problem for some
[19:49] <inetpro> and just when they think they figured it out there's no loadshedding at all to start with
[19:51] <magespawn> you can't refer straight to the eskom website?
[19:54] <inetpro> magespawn: the best starting place is probably http://loadshedding.eskom.co.za/
[19:55] <inetpro> but I find following @Eskom_SA quite useful
[19:55] <inetpro> have it set to notify me on my mobile whenever there's a tweet
[19:59] <magespawn> apparently there is a load sheeding app that is quite good
[19:59] <magespawn> shedding too
[19:59] <MaNI> I've heard people say that the gridwatch ap is decent, and others that 'eskom se push' is great
[20:00] <magespawn> i think gridwatch is the one i was told about
[20:16] <georgelappies> hi all
[20:17] <smile> Hi :)
[20:21] <magespawn> hi smile georgelappies
[20:21]  * inetpro installed gridwatch
[20:21] <inetpro> thanks magespawn
[20:21] <smile> Hi georgelappies
[20:23] <smile> I count on you for spreading the word about Translate Now: http://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/translate-now
[20:23] <smile> :-D
[20:24] <smile> My first ever restartless addon :)
[20:28] <inetpro> smile: nice one, thanks
[20:28] <inetpro> could be very useful
[20:29] <inetpro> simple and easy to use
[20:30] <smile> It is. Its based on the concept of an earlier addon but that one doesnt really work well. You cant configure the languages over there
[20:30] <smile> Made in one day! :)
[20:31] <smile> Please spread the word
[20:37] <magespawn> nice smile
[20:39] <magespawn> what is the difference between an app that needs to be restarted and one that doesn't? besides the obvious
[20:40] <smile> A restartless one can be sandboxed, one with restart is easier to make and can be well integrated.
[20:41] <smile> Restartless extensions are cool but face a lot of security restrictions
[20:41] <magespawn> i see, so the restartless one is better for the user
[20:43] <smile> In theory. If they miss handy features because of security restrictions I begin to doubt that though ;-)
[20:44] <smile> Also, restartless extensions have a better testing framework
[20:44] <magespawn> cool thanks
[20:45] <smile> It would be nice if you could have the benefits of both methods.
[20:47] <smile> Restartless extensions are the best option for new development of course if you do not need hard stuff like shortcut keys
[20:48] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:50] <smile> Night! :)
[20:53] <magespawn> thanks for the link smile
[20:54] <smile> Yw
[20:54] <magespawn> i am off to bed too, good night all
[21:48] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[21:49] <Cryterion> night


[02:44] <ad1> hello, is this the place to learn about linux and ubuntu
[02:46] <nalioth> ad1: when there are classes scheduled, possibly
[02:46] <nalioth> your best bet is #ubuntu
[02:46] <nalioth> or ##linux
[02:49] <ad1> when r the classes
[02:50] <IdleOne> ad1: see the topic for related links
[02:53] <ad1> thanks
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