[09:25] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[09:51] <seb128> ricotz, hey, how are you doing?
[09:52] <seb128> ricotz, where is the libreoffice snap being built from nowadays? the store seems to have a newer revision than what is built on https://launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/libreoffice-snap
[09:53] <ricotz> seb128, hey, I am good :), how are you?
[09:53] <ricotz> seb128, the libreoffice snap is located at https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/df-libreoffice/+snap/libreoffice-fresh
[09:53] <seb128> I'm alright!
[09:54] <ricotz> the snapcraft bug is https://github.com/canonical/craft-cli/issues/221
[09:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 221 in canonical/craft-cli "Bad handling of non-utf8 text in _PipeReaderThread" [Open]
[09:55] <ricotz> the translation error in libreoffice which triggered the bug is hopefully gone with 24.2~rc2
[09:58] <seb128> ricotz, I will nag snapcraft people about bumping the priority there
[09:58] <seb128> ricotz, when did the snap vcs change?
[09:59] <seb128> it used to be https://github.com/ubuntu/libreoffice/tree/fresh no?
[09:59] <seb128> which https://launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/libreoffice-snap uses
[09:59] <ricotz> seb128, ah I am pushing those changes to github as well
[10:00] <seb128> and that snap build is still configured to autopublish to candidate
[10:00] <ricotz> yes, candidate is gine
[10:00] <ricotz> fine
[10:00] <seb128> ricotz, it's a bit confusing to have 2 Vcs-es
[10:00] <seb128> what you mean fine?.
[10:00] <ricotz> "autopublish to candidate" is fine
[10:01] <seb128> we have https://launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/libreoffice-snap and https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/df-libreoffice/+snap/libreoffice-fresh which are both configured to autopublish to candidate but building from different Vcs-es
[10:01] <seb128> that doesn't seem like a deterministic setup
[10:02] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/libreoffice-snap is disabled
[10:02] <seb128> oh, ok
[10:02] <seb128> I wonder if I should just delete this one to avoid confusion
[10:02] <ricotz> meaning it won't build without requesting it
[10:03] <ricotz> that sounds reasonable
[10:03] <seb128> ok
[10:03] <ricotz> thanks
[10:03] <seb128> so next question is https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/df-libreoffice/+snap/libreoffice-fresh
[10:04] <seb128> why is that building from https://code.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap and not https://code.launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/df-libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap ?
[10:04] <seb128> the later being a mirror of github
[10:07] <ricotz> seb128, the libreffice owned repo was there before, and doesn't require a force import to get the snap building
[10:08] <ricotz> and it feels less invasive to force push to the launchpad repo than the github one
[10:08] <seb128> why do we need to force push?
[10:08] <ricotz> I have no local setup to build a snap
[10:08] <seb128> sorry I'm just trying to remove the confusion
[10:09] <seb128> so it feels like we should standardize on one vcs and delete the other one
[10:09] <seb128> I'm just trying to figure out which one makes sense to use
[10:10] <ricotz> so I tend to correct previous commits to avoid a mess up repo "history"
[10:10] <seb128> I see
[10:10] <ricotz> I can see the github repo get more attention and possible patches, so having this seems helpful
[10:10] <seb128> I started by trying to check what was going on with https://github.com/ubuntu/libreoffice/issues/33 which Ken pinged me about
[10:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 33 in ubuntu/libreoffice "LO Snap in Snap Store doesn't actually use LZO compression" [Open]
[10:11] <seb128> and then we ended up noticing that the snap was not currently built from github
[10:11] <seb128> but https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap/tree/snapcraft.yaml also has 'compression: lzo'
[10:11] <ricotz> I see, and yes it is build on launchpad
[10:12] <seb128> I mean not built from the github vcs
[10:12] <ricotz> ah ok
[10:12] <seb128> we build all our desktop snaps on launchpad
[10:12] <ricotz> ok, I thought there is some github actions setup available as well
[10:13] <seb128> they are, but we standardize on the 'set up a git code import on launchpad and build from there'
[10:13] <seb128> at least for desktop snaps
[10:13] <seb128> it gives us build records/log and proper ubuntu team owning for those builds
[10:13] <ricotz> ok
[10:23] <ricotz> seb128, so regarding the compression issue, I guess the corresponding build log is not available anymore
[10:25] <ricotz> seb128, there are logs from 7.5.x build at https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+snap/libreoffice-still
[10:57] <seb128> ricotz, thanks, I'm asking to store people/on one of our channels, I'm not even sure how to check that lzo is enabled, but it seems a snapcraft or store issue to me
[11:07] <seb128> bbl
[11:46] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest 0bfd1be Jeremy Bícha debian/control * Don't recommend libnss-myhostname since we use systemd-resolved * https://deb.li/34BBM
[12:42] <lissyx> seb128, bandali, I'm not sure I will be able to attend today in fact, I've been up & down in the past days and I might be too exhausted
[12:43] <seb128> lissyx, ah, good that you mention it, it's also going to be difficult for me today, I wanted to warn you guys about that, let's postpone
[12:44] <seb128> lissyx, btw we have a desktop matrix channel now, https://matrix.to/#/#ubuntu-desktop-dev:matrix.org , you might want to try join, would make easier to have conversations since in practice people often are disconnected on IRC for $reasons
[12:44] <seb128> ricotz, ^ you might be also interested
[12:45] <lissyx> seb128, weird I dont see the channel
[12:46] <seb128> I don't understand matrix :/
[12:47] <seb128> lissyx, what about https://matrix.to/#/#ubuntu-desktop-dev:matrix.org ?
[12:48] <lissyx> I see some ubuntu channels when filtering on matrix.org
[12:48] <lissyx> including ubuntuunity and ubuntu-pt
[12:48] <lissyx> but not ubuntu-desktop-dev
[12:48] <seb128> that's another matrix instance
[12:48] <seb128> unsure how the federation is working between servers
[12:49] <lissyx> is the channel public?
[12:56] <ricotz> seb128, the link worked for me
[12:57] <ricotz> so the room is actually #desktop-dev:ubuntu.com
[12:59] <ricotz> https://matrix.to/#/#desktop:ubuntu.com
[13:03] <seb128> lissyx, ricotz, sorry, seems someone renamed the channel earlier this week and I didn't have my notes updated
[13:03] <seb128> https://matrix.to/#/#desktop-dev:ubuntu.com
[15:04] <seb128> ricotz, I got a confirmation that the snapcraft team has the parsing bug on their backlog for this Canonical-pulse so they are going to work on it soon enough (pulses are 2 weeks and that one started on Monday)
[15:05] <ricotz> seb128, great, thanks!
[15:06] <ricotz> such a "crash" in quite critical
[15:09] <seb128> indeed
[15:29] <fossfreedom_> hi desktopers. In your planning for GNOME 46 noble uplift, I'm aware that gnome-session v46 breaks our budgie-desktop.  The fix will be budgie-session that is currently in the Debian NEW queue.  I'm ever hopeful that it will be accepted and make its way to ubuntu before ubuntu's GNOME 46 transition & the freeze date.  If it gets held up in that queue, what's the best way to stop the v46 version of gnome-session
[15:29] <fossfreedom_> breaking budgie?  Re-patch in the bits that breaks budgie ("--builtin" removal)? Or get sponsorship here to upload budgie-session?
[15:30] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: could you be more specific about why you believe gnome-session 46 will break Budgie?
[15:31] <jbicha> For instance, Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS will continue to fully support the Ubuntu on Xorg session
[15:31] <fossfreedom_> v46 drops the support for "--builtin" in favour for a systemd only approach.  We depend on that flag to launch budgie-desktop
[15:32] <jbicha> ok, so https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/-/commit/76534bcc5e4e
[15:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 76534bc in GNOME/gnome-session "Drop consolekit backend and hard depend on systemd"
[15:32] <fossfreedom_> yep
[15:34] <bandali> nice one gnome
[15:35] <bandali> lissyx, seb128, ack re postponing today's
[15:36] <seb128> fossfreedom_, you can always upload budgie-session to the Ubuntu NEW queue if it's still stuck in Debian
[15:37] <fossfreedom_> ah - ok.  just need a friendly sponsor.
[15:37] <jbicha> yes, uploading to Ubuntu directly when Debian takes too long is what you did for magpie last cycle and it works well
[15:42] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center Sebastien Bacher 455931 * commented merge request !33 * https://deb.li/3Fksn
[15:43] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center Sebastien Bacher 455932 * commented merge request !34 * https://deb.li/ATzs
[15:47] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest 2ba5fae Jeremy Bícha debian/patches/ubuntu/info-overview-Show-updates-in-software-propeties-instead-.patch * Show Software Updates in the Software Updater app instead of the config app * https://deb.li/34dv0
[15:47] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center ubuntu/latest 2d90c50 Jeremy Bícha debian/patches/ubuntu/Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch * Update Ubuntu Desktop patch to use Home folder label instead of Personal folder * https://deb.li/ijTt2
[16:04] <KGB-X> gnome-control-center Marco Trevisan 455943 * commented merge request !35 * https://deb.li/wUOM
[16:14] <ricotz> seb128, the libreoffice snap already finished building, so there is new snap to investigate "the lzo issue"  - https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/df-libreoffice/+snap/libreoffice-fresh/+build/2358809
[17:09] <seb128> ricotz, after talking to Ken we believe that they just changed the default and such it's not reflecting in the info but it is using lzo
[17:10] <seb128> $ sudo file /var/lib/snapd/snaps/libreoffice_302.snap
[17:10] <seb128> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/libreoffice_302.snap: Squashfs filesystem, little endian, version 4.0, lzo compressed,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes, 31950 inodes, blocksize: 131072 bytes, created: Wed Nov 22 08:11:59 2023
[17:12] <ricotz> seb128, ack
[17:12] <ricotz> $ file libreoffice_<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.snap
[17:12] <ricotz> libreoffice_<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.snap: Squashfs filesystem, little endian, version 4.0, lzo compressed,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes, 31949 inodes, blocksize: 131072 bytes, created: Wed Jan 17 13:41:08 2024
[17:59] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup signed tags 5db697e Jeremy Bicha upstream/46_alpha * Upstream version 46~alpha * https://deb.li/3pk7
[17:59] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 89d033a Jeremy Bicha * pushed 29 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3OSqd
[17:59] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest e7e8472 Марко Костић po/sr.po * Update Serbian translation * https://deb.li/ztZF
[17:59] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest dcd515c Ngọc Quân Trần po/vi.po * Update Vietnamese translation * https://deb.li/3vYo1
[17:59] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 828e749 Bruce Cowan po/en_GB.po * Update British English translation * https://deb.li/heWh
[18:00] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 34aa4e2 Dylan McCall gnome-initial-setup/gis-driver.c * driver: Dismiss close-request for main window * https://deb.li/3Si8c
[18:00] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup upstream/latest 1db957a Will Thompson gnome-initial-setup/gis-driver.c * Merge branch 'dylanmccall/prevent-window-close' into 'master' * https://deb.li/osLC
[18:00] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup pristine-tar 910d39b Jeremy Bicha gnome-initial-setup_46~alpha.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-initial-setup_46~alpha.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-initial-setup_46~alpha.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/ig76G
[21:32] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/latest eb6f2c2 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 45 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/ik8nD
[21:32] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/latest 7383e1d Will Thompson .gitlab-ci.yml * ci: Work around nested podman permissions issue * https://deb.li/tZ10
[21:32] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/latest f1a918d Marge Bot (10 files in 4 dirs) * Merge branch 'mcatanzaro/optional-webkitgtk' into 'master' * https://deb.li/3rVO2
[21:32] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/latest 2343637 Will Thompson NEWS meson.build * Prepare 46.alpha release * https://deb.li/yJTi
[21:32] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/latest 89d033a Jeremy Bicha (32 files in 7 dirs) * New upstream version 46~alpha * https://deb.li/3MMPh
[21:32] <KGB-X> gnome-initial-setup ubuntu/latest 6cf74ca Jeremy Bicha (32 files in 7 dirs) * Update upstream source from tag 'upstream/46_alpha' * https://deb.li/IMVn


[00:49] <shadeslayer> wgrant: could you also enable arm for https://launchpad.net/~netrunner-arm/+archive/ubuntu/netrunner-odroid-c1-ci-patches and https://launchpad.net/~netrunner-arm/+archive/ubuntu/netrunner-odroid-c1-ci and https://launchpad.net/~netrunner-arm/+archive/ubuntu/netrunner-odroid-c1 please
[01:11] <wgrant> shadeslayer: The last was already done.
[01:12] <wgrant> The others are now too.
[01:12] <teward> wgrant: is there a suggested limit for ARM builds now?
[01:12] <teward> other than no more than 6 a week or w/e it is
[01:13] <teward> (I have 5 nginx packages to upload to the staging PPA that will build ARM)
[01:13] <wgrant> The suggested limit is that you be reasonable about things.
[01:13] <wgrant> How long does it take under qemu-user-static?
[01:13] <wgrant> Does it work?
[01:14] <wgrant> The limits (well, guidelines really) are in place mostly because qemu-user-static can be very slow.
[01:14] <teward> judging from prior it's about 45mins each for arm.
[01:14] <teward> give or take an hour system to system
[01:14] <teward> but not insane
[01:14] <wgrant> As long as they work, that sounds fine.
[01:14] <wgrant> (this'll all be much easier in a couple of months when we have actual ARM VMs)
[01:14] <teward> indeed
[01:15] <teward> ... i should probably not be on the computer, there's a really heavy evil storm outside... o.o
[01:15] <teward> wgrant: i bet there's people that upload things that take eons to build in arm, and that's why the limits exist?
[01:15] <teward> or people that would *want* to make those kinds of uploads
[01:16] <wgrant> Right.
[01:16] <wgrant> The rule is really "don't be stupid about it", but that's not very easy for people to objectively judge about themselves :)
[01:16] <teward> :P
[01:17] <wgrant> If something's valuable and not a hideous resource hog, ARM builds are probably fine.
[01:17] <teward> given that i've made stupid mistakes with the main repos on accident before, and then very quickly rectified, i'm used to judging something insane
[01:17] <wgrant> Heh
[01:17] <teward> i failed with an nginx security debdiff that was sponsored a while ago, that was definitely fun xD
[01:18] <teward> loooong while ago xD
[01:18] <teward> it caused SEGVs everywhere, and it was Debian's fault... xD
[01:18] <teward> anyways, thanks, wgrant, for answering :)
[01:21] <wgrant> np
[03:41] <sergio-br2> is it possible to ask arm64 build for PPA?
[03:43] <wgrant> sergio-br2: qemu-system-aarch64 doesn't work very reliably, so we don't recommend it at the moment.
[03:43] <wgrant> er
[03:43] <wgrant> qemu-user-aarch64, rather
[03:44] <sergio-br2> why canonical doesn't use real hardware for ARM ?
[03:44] <sergio-br2> isn't it easier?
[03:45] <Peng> like, a rack of cheap tablets? :P
[03:45] <sergio-br2> raspberry pi 2 cluster, heh
[03:45] <sergio-br2> dunno
[03:45] <wgrant> It's easier if you can get the hardware, sure.
[03:45] <wgrant> Server-class, virt-capable ARM hardware has been very difficult to come by until this year.
[03:45] <wgrant> We have some now, but it's not set up yet.
[03:46] <sergio-br2> hardkernel uses a cluster to compile the kernel
[03:46] <wgrant> Sure
[03:46] <sergio-br2> to odroid
[03:46] <wgrant> But they're not running code from random people as root.
[03:46] <wgrant> We have lots of ARM hardware for Ubuntu builds, but they can't run VMs efficiently.
[03:46] <wgrant> They're Cortex-A9s.
[03:47] <wgrant> hardkernel are probably using virt-capable ODROID-XUs, but they're not exactly server-class :)
[03:47] <sergio-br2> hum, VM for what? If it's already arm hardware?
[03:47] <wgrant> VMs for security.
[03:47] <sergio-br2> ah
[03:47] <wgrant> We don't *particularly* want to allow anyone with an email address to run code as root on bare metal...
[03:48] <sergio-br2> so i386 and amd64 uses VM for each build?
[03:48] <sergio-br2> dunno how these stuff works
[03:49] <wgrant> Yes.
[03:49] <wgrant> Every build runs in a VM, and that VM is destroyed afterwards.
[03:51] <sergio-br2> oh
[03:51] <sergio-br2> qemu too for them?
[03:52] <sergio-br2> canonical uses VM too to every build in the repo?
[03:52] <wgrant> All virtual PPA builds today run in a 64-bit x86 KVM OpenStack instance.
[03:52] <wgrant> armhf and arm64 run qemu-user-static on top of those VMs.
[03:53] <wgrant> Ubuntu's builds are currently on bare metal, but they'll be moved into VMs, just like PPAs, in the coming weeks.
[03:53] <sergio-br2> oh
[03:53] <sergio-br2> but just a few people has access, so what's the problem?
[03:53] <sergio-br2> does debian do it too?
[03:54] <wgrant> What's what problem?
[03:54] <sergio-br2> *about security?
[03:54] <wgrant> For official Ubuntu builds there are fewer security concerns. But there aren't none.
[03:54] <sergio-br2> hum
[03:54] <wgrant> And there are no obvious benefits to not using VMs for them, so we might as well use VMs for them.
[03:55] <wgrant> VMs have several benefits and minimal drawbacks.
[04:07] <sergio-br2> very interesting
[14:05] <leitao> is  launchpad down? I am not able to create a bug....
[14:05] <leitao> I got ' (Error ID: OOPS-fad1e185aee71ff2d33ce6044b50c7b7) ' when creating a bug.
[14:16] <dobey> no. at least, i can view merge proposals just fine
[16:34] <jafo> How do I decrypt the message PGP message Launchpad sends to confirm my key?  I am getting "gpg: CRC error".  Is launchpad sending invalid PGP data?  I saved off the message as text, and did "gpg -d 0.txt", also tried "gpg --armor -d 0.txt".
[16:35] <jafo> http://paste.debian.net/241524/
[16:39] <jafo> Aside: It sure would be nice if my PPA page said that I didn't have a key in my account and uploads would say they succeeded but would silently fail.  Or the PPA page would say "Hey, an upload was tried, but it failed."  Because searching I found something saying it could take hours to generate a PGP key for the PPA, so I waited all day yesterday for it to "catch up".
[16:44] <dobey> does your e-mail client not have pgp support?
[16:44] <jafo> Correct.
[16:45] <dobey> afaik, launchpad sends valid mime content in the e-mail
[16:49] <jafo> Oh, it is quoted printable.  I can convert it using Python.
[16:50] <jafo> It looks like it is just PGP data I can save and decrypt, but it isn't.
[16:50] <dobey> right
[16:52] <jafo> Yay, at least now I get an e-mail about why it failed!
[16:53] <dobey> yeah, lp can't really give you an e-mail if you don't sign the package with a key that's connected to your account. the uploads are anonymous ftp, and it has no way to connect the upload to a specific account in a reliable way
[16:54] <dobey> it might be good if it sent an e-mail to the owner of the ppa in such cases though
[16:57] <jafo> dobey: I'm telling dput that it is for "ppa:username/package".  It doesn't include that information in the FTP upload?
[16:58] <jafo> Yay, I have my package up there now!
[16:59] <dobey> jafo: it does, but you could be trying to upload to someone else's ppa, or a team-owned ppa.
[16:59] <jafo> Oh, it is building for precise.  How do I tell it to build for Precise *AND* trusty?
[16:59] <dobey> this is why i said it might be good to notify the owner of the ppa, rather than the uploader, in such question
[16:59] <jafo> dobey: Gotcha.
[16:59] <dobey> you have to upload a different source for each series
[16:59] <dobey> or copy to other series
[17:04] <jafo> dobey: How do you copy to another series.  I tried changing the changelog and uploading again, but it rejected that because of a file with an existing name but different contents.
[17:04] <dobey> you can't re-upload the orig.tar.gz with different contents
[17:04] <dobey> there's UI on the web page for the ppa to do a copy
[17:08] <jafo> I guess I just don't understand it.  I select "Copy packages" select the source, select a destination of "This PPA" and "Series: Trusty", and it fails: "Copied from libRETS. Target series: Trusty.  librets 1.6.1-1realgo in precise (same version already building in the destination archive for Precise)."
[17:11] <dobey> were you trying to copy the binaries, or did you select to rebuild?
[17:19] <jafo> dobey: I don't have binaries yet.
[17:20] <jafo> Yeah, I selected "rebuild the copied sources".
[17:22] <dobey> ok, i'm not sure
[17:23] <jafo> http://box.jafo.ca/launchpad.jpg
[17:23] <jafo> That's the page I submitted.
[17:25] <dobey> ok. i'm not sure what's wrong
[17:28] <jafo> I sure do miss having a good friend on the launchpad team...  :-/ :-)
[17:29] <jafo> Maybe it will work when the package builds...  I've also tried pushing up a "1" suffix package name with trusty specified, and that was accepted.  Not ideal, but workable.
[17:30] <dobey> is the code hosted in a bzr branch in launchpad? or mirrorable into a bzr branch on launchpad?
[17:32] <jafo> The code is not hosted in a bzr branch.  I guess it is possible to mirror it to launchpad, it is hosted on github.  I don't control the upstream, I'm just packaging it.
[17:36] <dobey> when i package things in PPAs, i've started just maintaining a branch which only contains the contents of the debian/ dir, and using source imports and source package recipes, so that it's mostly all automated
[17:37] <dobey> pretty nice, and makes having different builds for different series mostly trivial
[17:43] <jafo> I've got a github repo that has the debian dir.  Might submit it upstream once it stabilizes.
[17:44] <jafo> Sounds like what you are doing might be a good way to go for maintaining the PPA.
[17:44] <jafo> Is there something that documents making that happen?
[18:12] <dobey> there are docs on the launchpad help page for source package recipes, yeah


[05:35] <philipballew> pleia2, what day do you get to Portland?
[05:37] <pleia2> philipballew: friday night
[05:38] <philipballew> pleia2, oh cool. I will be at the cls as well.
[05:38] <pleia2> yeah, that's why I'm coming in early
[05:42] <philipballew> Enjoy your flight. I get in Saturday morning.


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[02:16] <steven0> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[02:16] <ubrl> steven0: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[02:16] <steven0> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[02:16] <ubrl> steven0: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[02:16] <steven0> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[02:47] <itrufeng> 发现最近都没人说话了
[03:15] <revi22> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[03:15] <ubrl> revi22: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[03:15] <revi22> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[03:15] <revi22> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[03:18] <nhandler22> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[03:18] <ubrl> nhandler22: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[03:18] <nhandler22> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[03:18] <ubrl> nhandler22: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[03:18] <nhandler22> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[03:18] <ubrl> nhandler22: ⇪ GirlLove Blog
[03:18] <ubrl> nhandler22: ⇪ 取标题超时 execution expired
[03:42] <Zimmedon11> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[03:42] <ubrl> Zimmedon11: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[03:43] <Zimmedon11> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[03:43] <Zimmedon11> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[03:43] <ubrl> Zimmedon11: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[03:43] <ubrl> Zimmedon11: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[05:43] <supercool18> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[05:43] <ubrl> supercool18: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[05:43] <supercool18> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[05:43] <supercool18> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[06:33] <rud0lf12> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[06:33] <ubrl> rud0lf12: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
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[06:49] <SWAT2> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[06:49] <ubrl> SWAT2: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
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[06:49] <SWAT2> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[07:02] <basic`29> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[07:02] <ubrl> basic`29: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[07:02] <basic`29> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[07:02] <ubrl> basic`29: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[07:02] <basic`29> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[07:25] <genera17> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[07:25] <genera17> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[07:48] <mt26> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[07:48] <ubrl> mt26: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[07:48] <mt26> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[07:48] <mt26> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[07:48] <ubrl> mt26: ⇪ GirlLove Blog
[08:47] <Humbedooh12> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[08:47] <Humbedooh12> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[08:47] <ubrl> Humbedooh12: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[08:47] <ubrl> Humbedooh12: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[08:47] <Humbedooh12> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[08:47] <ubrl> Humbedooh12: ⇪ GirlLove Blog
[08:47] <Yz_h_x4> ???
[09:33] <Stummi3> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[09:33] <ubrl> Stummi3: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[09:33] <Stummi3> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[09:33] <Stummi3> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[09:33] <ubrl> Stummi3: ⇪ GirlLove Blog
[09:43] <tktech8> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[09:43] <ubrl> tktech8: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[09:43] <tktech8> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[09:43] <ubrl> tktech8: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[09:43] <tktech8> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[09:43] <ubrl> tktech8: ⇪ GirlLove Blog
[09:47] <LambdaComplex24> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[09:47] <LambdaComplex24> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[09:47] <ubrl> LambdaComplex24: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[09:47] <LambdaComplex24> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[09:47] <ubrl> LambdaComplex24: ⇪ GirlLove Blog
[09:47] <keithn12> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[09:47] <ubrl> keithn12: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[09:47] <keithn12> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[09:47] <ubrl> keithn12: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[09:47] <keithn12> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[09:47] <ubrl> keithn12: ⇪ GirlLove Blog
[10:40] <Milos3> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[10:40] <ubrl> Milos3: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[10:40] <Milos3> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[10:40] <ubrl> Milos3: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[10:40] <Milos3> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[10:40] <ubrl> Milos3: ⇪ GirlLove Blog
[10:55] <SKYWARN> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[10:55] <ubrl> SKYWARN: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[10:55] <SKYWARN> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[10:55] <ubrl> SKYWARN: ⇪ Freenodegate - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[10:55] <SKYWARN> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[11:05] <pointfree9> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[11:05] <ubrl> pointfree9: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[11:05] <pointfree9> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[11:05] <pointfree9> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[11:06] <CyrusYzGTt> freeflying§ 管理员
[11:17] <Nick`> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[11:17] <Nick`> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[11:17] <ubrl> Nick`: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
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[11:27] <ZexaronS> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[11:27] <ubrl> ZexaronS: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[11:27] <ZexaronS> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[11:27] <ZexaronS> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[11:33] <irv20> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[11:33] <ubrl> irv20: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
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[11:33] <irv20> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[11:33] <ubrl> irv20: ⇪ 取标题超时 execution expired
[11:39] <pierte> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[11:39] <pierte> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[11:49] <Syncopix8> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[11:49] <ubrl> Syncopix8: ⇪ 取标题超时 execution expired
[12:03] <nhandler14> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[12:03] <nhandler14> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[13:01] <Hobbyboy4> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
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[13:01] <ubrl> Hobbyboy4: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
[13:01] <Hobbyboy4> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[13:01] <Hobbyboy4> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[14:05] <ovrstorm> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[14:09] <Ryuzaki> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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[14:09] <Ryuzaki> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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[16:21] <ubrl> Nick`: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
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[16:49] <ubrl> yoink8: ⇪ Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) - Freenode head of infrastructure, Senior IT Infrastructure Specialist at Nordea
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[15:31] <Arrow88> is Lubuntu a full os like Ubuntu?
[15:31] <Arrow88> I am installing on a macbook pro, and wonder what to choose
[15:32] <Arrow88> new ssd drive, older machine, i7 or i5 cpu
[15:32] <Arrow88> I think I will find all I need in lubuntu
[15:32] <Arrow88> there are no restrictions on packages available?
[15:33] <Arrow88> how to sort out the bootup?
[15:35] <Arrow88> does in have a universally working player for web tv channels ?
[15:35] <Arrow88> I went for lubuntu
[15:35] <Arrow88> I think the machine will run well with basic Ubuntu or Debian too
[15:36] <Arrow88> I went for 19.04
[15:36] <Arrow88> I love talking to my self
[15:39] <dsc_> you will have the same packages available via `apt install` just as ubuntu
[15:40] <dsc_> you can try `sudo apt install -y vlc` for a videoplayer
[15:42] <Arrow88> I'm trying to burn iso on a mac
[15:52] <wxl[m]> Lubuntu is Ubuntu
[15:52] <wxl[m]> Both are a collection of packages in the Ubuntu archive
[15:53] <wxl[m]> AFAIK Intel Macs don't need any special treatment
[15:54] <wxl[m]> I've never used such a thing but you can search the archives
[15:54] <wxl[m]> 19.04 is EoL
[15:54] <wxl[m]> Not sure where you downloaded that or even got the idea to use it
[15:56] <wxl[m]> You will find few if any Mac users/owners here
[15:56] <wxl[m]> But again DO NOT USE 19.04
[16:00] <wxl[m]> Arrow88: If you insist on using it, you will get no updates or support. That includes security updates
[16:02] <dsc_> sudo will work .... for everyone!
[16:06] <Maik> Arrow88: which means you'll have a unsupported and vulnerable system if you install and keep using 19.04. Go with a LTS release like 20.04 if you are a newcomer.
[16:10] <wxl[m]> It won't work to get you updates on an old release as the sources aren't there to pull from
[16:14] <wxl[m]> <Arrow88 "I love talking to my self"> This
[16:14] <dsc_> haha
[16:15] <dsc_> btw wxl, Re: my networking issue ... I installed `linux-oem-20.04-edge` instead and now I'm on 5.10 and everything works
[16:25] <wxl[m]> I suspect it's the OEM aspect that makes it stable
[17:14] <Arrow88> lost connection
[17:14] <Arrow88> can not identify network, "probably not DHCP protocol"?
[17:14] <Arrow88> how I know what I have
[17:16] <kc2bez[m]> Arrow88: where did you download from, you mentioned 19.04 earlier.
[17:16] <Arrow88> from the offical lubuntu site
[17:17] <Arrow88> 18. behaves the same though
[17:17] <kc2bez[m]> we don't have a link to 19.04
[17:17] <kc2bez[m]> lubuntu.me/downloads
[17:18] <Arrow88> well, direct dowload from that site
[17:18] <Arrow88> https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[17:19] <kc2bez[m]> that is not our site ^
[17:19] <kc2bez[m]> lubuntu.me is the official site
[17:20] <kc2bez[m]> It is even in the channel topic
[17:20] <Arrow88> well, I downloaded from the lubuntu.net
[17:21] <kc2bez[m]> that won't work and is not supported. 19.04 is EOL a while ago
[17:21] <Arrow88> so, groovy gorilla?
[17:21] <kc2bez[m]> or focal fossa
[17:21] <Arrow88> so groovy gorilla?
[17:22] <Arrow88> hmm
[17:22] <kc2bez[m]> 20.04 or 20.10 are both supported
[17:23] <dsc_> whats the story behind lubuntu.me vs lubuntu.net
[17:23] <dsc_> looks like some ancient wordpress install
[17:23] <dsc_> making people download old stuff ;p
[17:24] <kc2bez[m]> It is sort of a long one and a bit off topic for the channel but it is not official and not up to date.
[17:24] <kc2bez[m]> The internet is hard to erase.
[17:25] <Arrow88> sorry about the messup
[17:25] <Arrow88> eol means not supported anymore?
[17:26] <kc2bez[m]> it is confusing, it isn't your fault.
[17:26] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, EOL means end of life product.
[17:26] <Arrow88> back in a bit, need to burn the iso
[17:27] <wxl[m]> It's also not under the control of the Lubuntu Team, Ubuntu project and/or Canonical
[17:28] <wxl[m]> For all practical purposes, it's entirely unrelated to Lubuntu
[17:29] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, that is a better summary, thanks wxl.
[17:46] <Arrow88> booting 20.
[17:46] <Arrow88> efi boot
[17:51] <Arrow88> can you get stuck in the live bootup?
[17:51] <apt-ghetto> Yes, that is possible
[17:54] <Arrow88> in 20. the md5 sum in checked on default
[17:54] <Arrow88> the burn was checked though
[17:56] <Arrow88> how old is 19.04?
[17:56] <apt-ghetto> 19.04 is too old
[17:57] <Arrow88> I redid it and went for Gorilla
[18:13] <Arrow88> anyone remember how keyboard settings works in Gorilla 20
[18:14] <Arrow88> where is country selecton for keyboard?
[18:14] <Arrow88> It was in the prestage of 19.04
[18:15] <Arrow88> in 20.10 it just booted up
[18:15] <Arrow88> went right for md5 check
[18:15] <Arrow88> and into live
[18:15] <Arrow88> any clever lubuntu guys around?
[18:15] <Arrow88> am I still here?
[18:17] <Arrow88> should I try debian or work with the situation?
[18:17] <kc2bez[m]> From the menu Preferences -> LXQt Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Keyboard Layout
[18:17] <kc2bez[m]> You can also select it in the installer.
[18:19] <Arrow88> Thans
[18:19] <Arrow88> sorry, I was a bit slow there
[18:55] <Arrow88> hi
[20:21] <arrow888> is bootup the same on ubuntu or lubuntu=
[20:21] <arrow888> I am in live running lubuntu now
[20:22] <arrow888> this is after an attempt to install, but boot up goes into a folder with a question mark
[20:23] <arrow888> is there something I can do from the live session, or do I need to run a second install and delete harddrive?
[20:29] <guiverc> what release of Lubuntu?   (boot up varies on release too, but yes the bulk of the boot up is identical in Ubuntu & all flavors such as Lubuntu)
[20:29] <guiverc> arrow888, ^
[20:30] <arrow888> 20.10
[20:31] <arrow888> I am searching for info on what might be the issue, macbook issue
[20:32] <guiverc> boot up is identica for 20.10 for all boxes (older boxes used to boot differently from same ISO if booting on BIOS or uEFI mode... 20.10 is identical for lubuntu/ubuntu on all boxes)
[20:33] <arrow888> is there a way to check the ssd detection ?
[20:35] <arrow888> so, not an easy problem to handle
[20:35] <guiverc> sorry arrow888 I don't know, you've already asked on #ubuntu... be patient is all I can suggest
[20:36] <arrow888> ubuntu support forum has a separate section for apple hardware, and I though it wasnt that much of a difference thesed days¨
[20:36] <arrow888> true
[20:38] <guiverc> arrow888, many apple devices have various unique things (security chips that vary on model for example); normal pc users won't know about such things
[20:40] <arrow888> UEFI
[20:42] <arrow888> I find some apple support, but not linux directed issues
[20:47] <Maik> arrow888: stop cross posting, keep it in one channel. Either here or in #ubuntu, not both.
[20:48] <arrow888> ok
[20:51] <arrow888> what is UEFI option on macs, would they overrule a lubuntu install?
[21:20] <wxl> speaking of apple differences, i read correlium's blog post about getting ubuntu running on the m1 mac mini and it sounds like the entire architecture of their SoC is completely unlike anything else. remember their motto: think different
[21:21] <wxl> apple doesn't really want their users changing the things that fundamentally make an apple an apple and that includes the OS
[21:21] <arrow88> true, yet it runs on many of them
[21:21] <wxl> so there are occassionally little tricks you have to hunt and hunt and hunt for
[21:21] <wxl> you have to get really good at reading between the lines and figuring things out on your own
[21:22] <wxl> keeping an old mac running was what originally brought me to lubuntu but it was a total pain
[21:22] <wxl> i rejoiced when we stopped having images specific to macs
[21:22] <arrow88> I was hoping to find a mac user partial to linux
[21:23] <arrow88> replacing the boot ware on macs,
[21:23] <wxl> they are few and far between
[21:23] <wxl> it's really a lot of hassle
 there are a billion problems with booting Linux on Macs
 there's a TON of 'workarounds' you have to do
 there's a lot of 'nuances' and 'tweaks' and other things you have to do
 it's NOT TRIVIAL to get *nix onto a Mac
[21:24] <wxl> you might hear that from a lot of people, but i'm telling you as someone who has done it
 unless you're talking about virtualization
[21:24] <wxl> you might want to try ##linux even
[21:25] <wxl> i wasn't using an intel mac so can't help you there but i do know that there was some key i had to hold to get to the boot selection screen
[21:26] <wxl> i think it was option
[21:26] <arrow88> I once had lubuntu on an old ibook G5
[21:26] <arrow88> years ago
[21:26] <arrow88> it ran find, and booted fine
[21:26] <wxl> mine was a powerbook g4
[21:27] <arrow88> some issues with media player, streamed youtube, but not everything
[21:27] <wxl> it had a broadcom wifi chip so that was always a problem
[21:27] <arrow88> I had one of those late white ibooks
[21:28] <wxl> i also know you will get to that whole question mark screen if the image isn't valid
[21:28] <arrow88> this is yet an old mac, i5 or i7 cpu, and I was told there were no longer any issues with linux on the, nor windows
[21:28] <arrow88> md5 check came out fine
[21:29] <wxl> so you must (i mean you need to do this anyways, but) make sure that the ISO is valid and you must make sure the installation media is equally valid after you've copied it over
[21:29] <wxl> ^ note that means checking the md5 of the iso is NOT enough
[21:29] <wxl> if you don't, you get the old question mark
[21:29] <wxl> the biggest problem with macs in the past was the fact that they used ppc chips, which was super strange
[21:30] <wxl> there was also a wee era of the intel macs where they had some bizarre efi implementation that required its own image
[21:31] <arrow88> there is reFind to redo the mac UEFI
[21:31] <arrow88> I think ppc is only for servers today, and very powerfull stuff
[21:32] <arrow88> something to do with longterm data storage and safety
[21:32] <arrow88> I don't really know how it works
[21:35] <arrow88> ooohhhh, it is booting
[21:39] <arrow88> and updating
[21:58] <Dragon2> what irc client is good in lubuntu?
[21:58] <wxl> quassel comes with it assuming you're in 20.04 or greater
[21:59] <wxl> (technically 18.10 or greater but if you're on anything between 18.04 and 20.04 it's EoL so you shouldn't be ont hat)
[21:59] <Dragon2> I`m in 20.10
[22:00] <Dragon2> didn`t lubuntu used to have a package manager?
[22:00] <Dragon2> maybe that was another distro
[22:00] <wxl> uhhhh
[22:00] <wxl> EVERY verion of ubuntu has a package manager
[22:00] <Dragon2> software downloads
[22:00] <Dragon2> lol
[22:00] <wxl> that's what package managers do
[22:00] <Dragon2> sorry, it`s been so long since
[22:02] <Dragon2> in linux there was seamonkey, seagull, chromium, vivaldi, ...
[22:02] <Dragon2> this time it was firefox
[22:02] <wxl> well lubuntu is linux so that's all still relevant
[22:03] <Dragon2> addblockers in firefox, is in package manger or direct in browser
[22:07] <Dragon2> that is me in quassle
[22:07] <dragon2_> hi
[22:07] <kc2bez[m]> browser extensions are installed through the browser.
[22:09] <wxl> um, you install browser extensions in the browser
[22:09] <wxl> they are NOT packaged
[22:12] <dragon2_> thanks
[22:15] <dragon2_> how do you check hardware and specks?
[22:15] <wxl> `lshw` works nicely
[22:16]  * dragon2_ looks for lshw
[22:16] <wxl> open terminal
[22:16] <wxl> `sudo lshw`
[22:19] <dragon2_> a long list
[22:20] <wxl> well it's a long list of all your hardware, yes
[22:24] <wxl> you could so `sudo lshw -html > ~/foo.html` and then go to location `file:///home/YOURUSERNAMEHERE/foo.html` in your browser
[22:29] <dragon2_> nice


[18:30]  * genii-around sips
[18:44] <dscassel> Morning, genii-around
[18:44] <dscassel> Er, afternoon, I suppose.
[18:44] <genii-around> Heh, yes :)
[18:44] <dscassel> Monday, at any rate.
[18:44] <dscassel> :P
[18:45] <dscassel> If anyone's interested, it's App Development Week in #ubuntu-classroom.
[18:45] <genii-around> I've been tinkering with the surveillance cams all morning, getting a bunch of crosstalk someplace :( Monday, Monday
[18:45] <dscassel> They're talking about GObjects or something at the moment.
[18:46] <dscassel> Are they wired or wireless?
[18:47] <genii-around> dscassel: Wired. But i converted them all from co-ax to be powered and send their signal over network cable instead. Probably the runs I have are too long or so
[18:50] <bregma> so you guys missed my most excellent talk on utouch?
[19:01]  * genii-around hands bregma an apology-coffee
[19:13] <dscassel> I caught bits of the uTouch talk, but I'm supposed to be working...


[22:39] <crashsystems> maxolasersquad: just replied to your email
[22:40] <crashsystems> mhall119: do you think it would be possible to make a custom live usb image of ubuntu that didn't use a compressed squashfs image?
[23:40] <mhall119> crashsystems: possible? sure
[23:40] <mhall119> but what you'd use as an alternative, I don't know
[23:40] <crashsystems> hmm, ok
[23:41] <crashsystems> It seems to me that if you have the space for it, it makes more sense to have an uncompressed image


[06:46] <giganand> hi, not entirely sure this is the right place, but i'm finding that unity2d doesn't respect my choice of primary monitor (11.04, current daily ppa)
[06:47] <giganand> and i'm trying to use it with xinerama
[06:58] <oSoMoN> good morning
[09:35] <njpatel> Trevinho, I think I was experiencing this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/869196
[09:35] <njpatel> I'm going to have a look at it, but if you have time, that would be appreciated
[09:39] <Trevinho> njpatel: I think that is related to the fact that actually that the dbus apis of the panel service
[09:40] <Trevinho> doesn't consider the fact that there are more than one panel running...
[09:40] <Trevinho> I told to you something few weeks ago...
[09:40] <Trevinho> Basically, when we sync the geometries
[09:40] <Trevinho> we just sync them for one screen...
[09:41] <njpatel> Trevinho, but that shouldn't close the menu
[09:41] <Trevinho> while each screen should have its geometries and its own related indicators
[09:41] <njpatel> at least, it didn't clsoe the menu
[09:42] <Trevinho> Eh, it didn't since it used another way to mange when closing the menus
[09:42] <Trevinho> and that was causing some other bugs
[09:42] <Trevinho> So I used the synced geometries to chck when closing a menu...
[09:43] <Trevinho> i see if I can find a better workaround to manage this issue, also if a re-design of that interface should be done
[09:46] <Trevinho> however njpatel I guess that that bug is happening when the two scrreens have different geometries, isn't it?
[09:47] <njpatel> Trevinho, yes, most likely, let me check
[09:48] <njpatel> Trevinho, yes
[09:48] <Trevinho> So, I thought about this possible issue when writing the code, but since I wasn't able to test, I just wait...
[09:48] <njpatel> Trevinho, I think the check should just into account the y from the top of the monitor
[09:48] <njpatel> monitor(s)
[09:48] <Trevinho> Mh, that could lead to other issues...
[09:49] <Trevinho> but... If I make the panel sync the geometries per-screen, then I guess we can handle this issue well
[09:49] <Trevinho> I think there's no api change to do
[09:49] <Trevinho> for now
[09:49] <Trevinho> I'll try
[09:50] <njpatel> Trevinho, hmm, okay, I'll at least look at some workarounds for now, as we need something for 11.10
[09:50] <njpatel> SRU-able
[09:50] <Trevinho> I know njpatel
[09:54] <njpatel> Trevinho, :)
[11:11] <Andy80> it's just me or notification under Oneiric are completly broken? I used to get a small blue triangle in the top left corner... now there is not anymore...... is it a bug?
[11:36] <njpatel> Andy80, no, it was removed as it was deemed confusing as clicking on it would open the dash and not take you to the app(s) that needed attention
[11:36] <njpatel> Andy80, unfortunately there has been no design for a better solution as yet
[11:36] <Andy80> :(
[11:37] <Andy80> it think it's worse now.... I'm away for more then 5 seconds and I can miss a notification for many hours...
[11:40] <njpatel> yeah, it's not great. I'll remind the design team that that is something that needs to be fixed for p
[11:55] <Andy80> njpatel: I hope there will be a dedicated session at UDS to talk about these things :) there are also other things that made me feel disoriented switching from Natty to Oneiric, probably end users will have the same problems... nothing too difficoult to fix anyway
[11:56] <njpatel> Andy80, I'm pretty sure there is a general design one, but I can make sure
[11:58] <Andy80> it would be nice anyway.... I think we don't need a dedicated slot for each problem... a couple of sessions should be enough to discuss about everything. I'll take note in the mean time
[12:00] <njpatel> thanks
[12:45] <Trevinho> njpatel: this needs to be tuned, but please test if this works to you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/705374/
[12:46] <Trevinho> Actually we should tune panelview to make it sync also when changing screeen geometries or in other few cases
[12:46] <Trevinho> but once your panel-service is synced now it should work correctly
[12:47] <Trevinho> (WIth the current panelview just focus and -unfocus the nautilus desktop to make sure your panel service is synced)
[12:47] <Trevinho> njpatel: ^ ;)
[12:48] <njpatel> Trevinho, nice, will take a look in a bit, need to get through some reviews :)
[13:00] <Trevinho> Ok, np... njpatel if it's fine, then I'll finish it...
[13:01] <njpatel> Trevinho, give me ~20mins
[13:01] <Trevinho> Also to get the same in unity2d it only needs to change its name per-monitor
[13:01] <Trevinho> ok, just the time to watch a new episode of HIMYM..,. :)
[13:02] <njpatel> but it won't break 2d as it is, right?
[13:06] <Trevinho> njpatel: no breakage
[13:06] <Trevinho> unity 2d just needs optimizations
[13:06] <Trevinho> the api was already there... I used what we already had
[13:08] <njpatel> shweet
[13:28] <njpatel> Trevinho, can you push a branch or use another pastebin? I can't download the patch
[13:29] <Trevinho> njpatel: here you are: http://pastebin.com/A8MEMX1n
[13:30] <njpatel> Trevinho, sweet, testing
[13:34] <njpatel> Trevinho, works!
[13:35] <njpatel> Trevinho, dude, I am getting the first-click-doesn't-always-keep-menu-open issue (like I was a few weeks ago), though, but that's separate I guess
[13:36] <njpatel> Trevinho, I think I got a test-case
[13:36] <njpatel> Trevinho, click to open a menu, press Esc to close it, and then click to open another menu, it'll close automatically
[13:39] <Saviq> greyback: you're not on mumble, are you, without Kaleo being around?
[13:40] <greyback> Saviq, no I'm not, sorry
[13:40] <Saviq> greyback: no worries
[13:53] <Trevinho> njpatel: ok, good testcase.. I'll fix that as well I hope...
[13:53] <Trevinho> about the primary bug
[13:54] <Trevinho> I.e. the multi-monitor issue
[13:54] <Trevinho> Is the sync working well there?
[13:54] <Trevinho> I mean, the geometry sync...
[13:56] <njpatel> Trevinho, seems to be
[13:56] <njpatel> I've tested a few times, but will keep at it
[13:57] <Trevinho> I've to check if the sync is happening on start and after enabling / disabling a screen
[13:57] <Trevinho> Maybe we should make to resync also on ~PanelMenuView...
[13:57] <Trevinho> sorry, on ~PanelView
[15:54] <njpatel> Trevinho, any luck with the patch?
[15:54] <Trevinho>  njpatel I had no time ti finish it yet...
[15:54] <Trevinho> I hope I can work on it tonight
[15:55] <Trevinho> however, if that is working correclty to you I only have to handle better few cases
[15:56] <njpatel> Trevinho, okay, no worries, going to do a release tomorrow  afternoon anyway, so no rush
[15:56] <njpatel> Trevinho, thanks for taking a look dude
[15:57] <Trevinho> no problem... It has been "my" area so far :FD
[16:38] <nmarques> in #opensuse-gnome


[00:03] <cjwatson> ddebs> Ah, now that I catch up on one of the sysadmin channels I see it was handled there.
[00:52] <slangasek> stgraber: you have bug #1181789 assigned to yourself for raring; do you still mean to follow through on it
[00:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1181789 in upstart (Ubuntu Raring) "second call of 'initctl start' leads to fork instead of exec ('mount: / is busy' during shutdown)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1181789
[00:52] <slangasek> ?
[02:14] <infinity> cjwatson: Agreed on carobness.  However I go about that.
[02:41] <stgraber> slangasek: ah yeah, I suppose I should SRU that.
[02:41] <stgraber> slangasek: it's one of those tasks I opened because the bug is bad and really should be SRUed, but AFAIK nobody other than me reported it on raring so it's not very pressing.
[06:07] <slangasek> stgraber: no, there were lots of other reports of this issue in raring (see the now-duped bug); if you're not going to SRU it, please tell me and I'll take care of it.
[08:15] <xnox> slangasek: stgraber: we should push out raring sru with all the fixes that needed to go in. as far as I remember raring sru never validated.
[09:09] <cjwatson> infinity: According to RT#53566 you should actually have carob access already ...
[09:10] <cjwatson> infinity: As in, it's supposed to be based on ubuntu_archive group membership, which you have
[10:28] <xnox> Which kylin seeds are authoritative? lp:~ubuntukylin-members/ubuntukylin/ubuntukylin-meta or lp:~ubuntukylin-members/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntukylin.saucy ?
[10:28] <smartboyhw> xnox, I heard that seeds will be used at 14.04 LTS
[10:28] <smartboyhw> So, probably the first link
[10:29] <smartboyhw> (For Kylin)
[10:29] <cjwatson> I sincerely hope it's the second
[10:29] <cjwatson> Maintaining metapackages by hand in bzr is daft
[10:29] <smartboyhw> I actually questioned them before
[10:29] <xnox> cjwatson: both have recentish commits =/
[10:29] <cjwatson> Send them to me, I can supply clue on these matters :)
[10:30] <xnox> cjwatson: i guess they do maintain something for their precise spins.
[12:59] <infinity> cjwatson: Ahh, well, then maybe I just need to figure out what that means and use it. :P
[12:59] <infinity> cjwatson: I do indeed have access to the machine.
[13:00] <cjwatson> infinity: Logs are in /srv/launchpad.net-logs/production/<blah>
[13:00] <cjwatson> infinity: You may want to lift ~cjwatson/bin/rtail (which I cargo-culted from wgrant, in turn)
[13:01] <cjwatson> infinity: Stuff in /home/archvsync/scripts/ shows where the logs are rsynced from, in cases where you can't wait for the regular rsyncs
[13:01] <infinity> cjwatson: Shiny.  This should prove handy.
[13:02] <cjwatson> The copy logs from yesterday were in production/ackee/launchpad/celeryd-production_launchpad_job.log*
[13:02] <cjwatson> And of course you'll probably like production/alphecca/buildd-manager.log*
[13:03] <infinity> Very tempted to symlink alpaca to alphecca.
[13:05] <cjwatson> It's owned by archvsync, you can't :P
[13:05] <cjwatson> Though I guess you have a homedir
[13:18] <tumbleweed> what needs to be kicked to get ncbi-tools6 to migrate? It's complaining about libvibrant6 being out of date, but I don't see that in Packages
[13:21] <cjwatson> Oh, I think last time I looked at that it was proposed-internal NBS
[13:21] <cjwatson> Let me have a poke
[13:22] <tumbleweed> I'd understand libvibrant6a being NBS, but libvibrant6 is long gone
[13:22]  * tumbleweed has no idea what proposed-internal NBS means :P
[13:22] <cjwatson> So
[13:22] <cjwatson> We track not-built-from-source (NBS) binaries in saucy
[13:22] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[13:22] <tumbleweed> yes
[13:23] <cjwatson> And if a binary is in saucy but not in saucy-proposed, proposed-migration assumes that the NBS binaries are removed when deciding whether the source can be migrated
[13:23] <tumbleweed> right
[13:23] <cjwatson> But, there is a corner case here
[13:24] <cjwatson> Let's say we have version 1 in saucy, version 2 in saucy-proposed which never migrated, and now version 3 in saucy-proposed which is trying to migrate
[13:24] <cjwatson> If version 2 built a binary not in version 3, we don't track that
[13:24] <cjwatson> So the binary needs to be checked by hand and removed from saucy-proposed
[13:24] <tumbleweed> ah, that's possibly the case here
[13:25] <cjwatson> It's basically an awkward side-effect of -proposed being a partial suite
[13:25] <cjwatson> It's exactly the case here
[13:25] <cjwatson> ncbi-tools6 | 6.1.20120620-2 | saucy/universe | source
[13:25] <cjwatson> ncbi-tools6 | 6.1.20120620-5 | saucy-proposed/universe | source
[13:25] <cjwatson> libvibrant6 | 6.1.20120620-3 | saucy-proposed/universe | amd64, armhf, i386, powerpc
[13:25] <cjwatson> libvibrant6-dbg | 6.1.20120620-3 | saucy-proposed/universe | amd64, armhf, i386, powerpc
[13:25] <tumbleweed> aah, libvibrant6 was never removed from -proposed
[13:25] <tumbleweed> that makes sense
[13:25] <cjwatson> Exactly
[13:25] <cjwatson> Just checking for rdepends now
[13:31] <cjwatson> tumbleweed: removed, thanks
[13:33] <tumbleweed> cjwatson: thank you
[13:37] <stgraber> slangasek,xnox: oh, apparently I'm not subscribed to bugs for the upstart package in Ubuntu, that'd explain why I didn't see any bug trafic.
[13:44] <stgraber> slangasek: I believe at the time we had an SRU in proposed so that's why I didn't upload it directly, though I see that's no longer the case, so I'll at least push the cherry-pick to the branch and update the bug with a testcase (not sure if it has the SRU headers already)
[13:46] <xnox> right. and we might be missing a few other bug-fixes on the SRU that should go in.
[14:59] <cjwatson> stgraber: ^-
[14:59] <stgraber> looking
[15:01] <stgraber> cjwatson: there you go ^
[15:01] <infinity> cjwatson: Want to add any-ppc64el to debian/control upstream so we don't forget later?
[15:01] <infinity> cjwatson: Hrm, and any-x32 ... How did no one complain about that yet?
[15:02] <infinity> I suppose I have commit, don't I.  Maybe I'll do that.
[15:02] <infinity> Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-grub/branches/2.00/"
[15:02] <cjwatson> Uh, are you sure upstream configure would handle that?
[15:02] <infinity> grump.
[15:03] <cjwatson> bzr+ssh://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-grub/trunk/grub/
[15:03] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, fair point on the ppc64el thing, might need to check.  (Though, it should work with a sufficiently new config.{sub,guess})
[15:03] <infinity> cjwatson: But I'm confused that no one's complained about the missing x32...
[15:03] <cjwatson> Anyway it needs a bit more than a control tweak - there'll be stuff in rules and files in debian/ too.
[15:04] <infinity> Yeah, so I'm seeing upon a grep.
[15:04] <infinity> I'll poke it $later, it's certainly not urgent.
[15:04] <cjwatson> I can do it nowish.
[15:06] <infinity> For 14.04, I need to make some time to see if I can switch to grub2 on all yaboot subarches.
[15:06] <infinity> I certainly don't want to bring up any new PPC ports with yaboot.
[15:09] <cjwatson> What's x32 in config.{guess,sub} speak?
[15:09] <infinity> x86_64-linux-gnux32
[15:09] <infinity> I believe.
[15:10] <cjwatson> infinity: Actually, I've uncommitted my ppc64el change.  This needs actual build-testing first, because configure.ac does need to be updated.
[15:10] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, hence my "$later" thing.
[15:11] <cjwatson> Ditto I'd really rather be able to see whether x32 works first.
[15:11] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, don't worry about it.  It was an observation in passing when I saw the arches in .dsc
[15:11] <infinity> cjwatson: x32 doesn't matter deeply to me, but I can test it in Debian sometime.  And ppc64el, I'll argue with it when we have a port.
[15:12] <infinity> (The latter will definitely happen due to my previously-mentioned not wanting to have another yaboot port)
[15:12] <cjwatson> It's probably just a matter of powerpc64-* -> powerpc64-*|powerpc64le-* and similar in configure
[15:12] <infinity> Probably.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Oh, heck, it might be more than that, maybe the ELF relocator needs porting
[15:13] <infinity> And x32 might be a zero issue thing, since it's x86_64, and the ILP32 part doesn't factor in for the bootloader bit, just for the userspace tools.
[15:13] <cjwatson> Yeah, just install it via multiarch
[15:13] <cjwatson> Might be nice to build it though
[15:13]  * infinity nods.
[15:14] <cjwatson> Wouldn't be too surprising to find a wrong type size somewhere though
[15:23] <slangasek> stgraber: yes, 1.8-0ubuntu1.2 had a regression, bug #1199778; so we should get a re-SRU... :)
[15:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1199778 in upstart (Ubuntu Raring) "upstart crashes if re-exec'ed with active chroot sessions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199778
[15:28] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, if I push the bugfix for the restart bug to the branch and update the bug report with the SRU paperwork, can you or xnox take it from there?
[15:28] <xnox> ok, by me.
[15:32] <slangasek> stgraber: yes
[15:35] <slangasek> stgraber, cjwatson: so I'm happy to see that bug #1187233 is indeed resolved in saucy with the new shim-signed, which means it's time for me to start worrying about SRUs.  I'm considering that the best option might be: 1) pull back the gnu-efi source; 2) verify that all revdeps (including shim) build in precise with the updated gnu-efi; 3) pull back sbsigntool; 4) binary copy shim from saucy (so we don't have to submit a new binary to
[15:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1187233 in OEM Priority Project "Grub2 fails on ASUS X201E with secure boot is enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187233
[15:35] <slangasek> ... reupload shim-signed, with the build-deps adjusted for sbsigntool
[15:35] <slangasek> does that sound reasonable / possible?
[15:37] <cjwatson> Yeah, unless you think you can figure out a gnu-efi backport
[15:39] <infinity> Does your sbsigntool alignment fix also apply to kernel signing?  Should we make sure the new version is on ftpmaster?
[15:40] <infinity> We've had this discussion, I think.  Was the concensus just "meh, wait until ftpmaster is upgraded to precise"?
[15:40] <cjwatson> Not sure what the timescale on that's going to be.  Might be better to push to lucid-cat.
[15:46] <slangasek> infinity: we don't care about the sbsigntool alignment except in the case where we're trying to reproduce the MS-signed output
[15:47] <slangasek> the current sbsigntool already produces perfectly valid signed objects that work fine
[15:47] <slangasek> so yes, I don't care about pushing this back to lucid-cat
[15:50] <infinity> Mmkay, so it's not producing buggy output, per se, just slightly weird output?
[15:51] <slangasek> not even weird, just not identical to MS
[15:51]  * infinity nods.
[15:51] <infinity> Though, "identical to MS" seems like what you want for SB stuff.
[15:52] <slangasek> cjwatson: "does anyone feel desperately that we have to keep this or shall I just go ahead and drop it" - surely those are not mutually exclusive!
[15:53] <cjwatson> maybe not well-phrased :)
[16:01] <stgraber> xnox: is lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/raring/upstart/raring the right branch to use for the upstart raring SRU?
[16:03] <xnox> stgraber: yes, it is.
[16:09] <stgraber> cjwatson: did you upload grub2-signed? I can't remember seeing it on saucy-changes
[16:10] <cjwatson> Oh, no, I'll go and do that now
[16:10] <tjaalton> could someone have a look at glamor-egl in NEW, phoronix is making fun of us still not supporting 3d on newest radeons..
[16:11] <tjaalton> it was uploaded before FF
[16:11] <tjaalton> (barely=
[16:11] <tjaalton> )
[16:15] <cjwatson> stgraber: done
[17:50] <barry> hi folks.  i have one package that entered new before ff (nose2) and two packages i submitted ffe's on (pip and virtualenv).  i don't mean to be a noodge (and will happily wait patiently) but i just want to make sure they aren't waiting on something from me.
[20:03] <rsalveti> in case someone has the time to review another FFe :-), bug 1224665
[20:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1224665 in gst-plugins-bad1.0 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Android media support over hybris for gst-plugins-bad1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224665
[20:03] <rsalveti> needed for touch to have hardware decode & rendering support in gstreamer, using the android video hal (over libgstagefright)
[20:06] <Laney> rsalveti: what is [i386 armhf] about?
[20:07] <rsalveti> Laney: it uses hybris (android), so it can only be tested in i386 and armhf because we only have android devices for those archs
[20:07] <rsalveti> that's why I didn't enable it for all archs
[20:12] <Laney> sorry, got to leave - no time to review
[20:12] <Laney> but what would the harm be in building it everywhere it can? (seems that means !ppc)
[20:12]  * Laney leaves it for others
[20:13] <rsalveti> Laney: wouldn't cause any harm I guess, but I know it could only work i386 and armhf as of now
[20:15] <infinity> I'm fine with the arch restriction for now.


[01:01] <nothingman_> anyone here have experience with using an airport-attached USB disk for the /home partition?
[01:50] <LaserJock> ogra: I just closed 8 moodle bugs ;-)
[01:50] <ogra> wohoo
[01:51] <LaserJock> thanks to moquist and the Debian moodle maintainers
[01:51] <LaserJock> that makes 24 CVEs fixed, 20 Debian bugs, and 8 Ubuntu bugs in one upload
[01:52] <LaserJock> *and* I made my milestone
[01:53] <ogra> yay
[16:03] <LaserJock> morning all
[16:05] <vorian> morning LaserJock
[16:53] <highvoltage> morning LaserJock
[16:54] <LaserJock> hi vorian and highvoltage
[16:54] <LaserJock> I just tested the Alpha 5 .iso
[16:55] <LaserJock> vorian: I don't suppose you have a spare Jaunty install somewhere you could test with?
[16:55] <vorian> LaserJock: install alpha 5?
[16:55] <vorian> sure
[16:56] <LaserJock> vorian: I'd like a test of edubuntu-desktop-kde on alpha5
[16:56] <vorian> ok
[16:56] <vorian> I can to that
[16:56] <LaserJock> I don't have a kubuntu VM up so if you've already got one I'd appreciate it
[16:57] <vorian> LaserJock: i'll do it after the MC meeting
[16:58] <LaserJock> vorian: awesome, thanks
[18:52] <LaserJock> sweet, mvo made the Add/Remove changes for the app bundle spec
[20:48] <vorian> LaserJock: edubuntu-desktop-kde4 is HUGE!
[20:48] <vorian> i've been downloading/installing for about 35 minutes now
[20:49] <LaserJock> vorian: you didn't use the CD?
[20:50] <LaserJock> vorian: also, are you 32 or 64bit?
[20:50] <vorian> i'm on 32 for my virtual machine
[20:50] <LaserJock> k
[20:51] <vorian> LaserJock: no, i used ..install edubuntu-desktop-kde
[20:51] <vorian> i didn't see an iso
[20:51] <LaserJock> vorian: oh, well, I guess that'll work to
[20:51]  * vorian looks again
[20:52] <LaserJock> vorian: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/
[20:52] <vorian> ahh, i went to qa.ubuntu.com
[20:52] <LaserJock> ah, well you can do that too
[20:52] <LaserJock> but you gotta go to Edubuntu
[21:24] <LaserJock> vorian: get it installed?
[21:25] <vorian> yes, just playing around with it now
[21:25] <vorian> everything looks good
[21:25] <vorian> no obvious bugs so far
[21:25] <LaserJock> awesome
[21:25] <LaserJock> I supposed it brought in quite a bit of Gnome stuff?
[21:26] <vorian> yep


[01:42] <Viper550> Anyone here?
[04:04] <effraie> troy_s: ping
[04:05] <effraie> i've updated the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EffraiePanel whit other panel colors
[07:53] <troy_s> msikma
[07:53] <troy_s> you in my brother?
[08:16] <klepas> hey troy_s
[08:17] <troy_s> hey pas
[08:18] <troy_s> how are you klepas ?
[08:45] <klepas> doing good
[08:46] <klepas> yourself?
[06:55] <ppd> troy_s: hi. perhaps you remember me. I am that guy who asked you for your wallpapers from the edgy proposal page. at that time you told me to wait until the edgy release. now we are close to the release and as far as I know a final wallpaper was chosen for edgy. now my question: would it be possible to get your wallpapers right now?
[06:55] <ppd> :)
[06:55] <troy_s> i am very busy right now ppd
[06:56] <troy_s> but i believe they are somewhere on that wiki
[06:56] <ppd> but only the thumbnails
[06:56] <troy_s> hrm... i will look
[06:56] <ppd> that would be great. thanks
[06:56] <troy_s> email me again and i will see if i can get one back to you.
[06:57] <ppd> I will. thank you very very much
[06:57] <effraie> troy_s & famous mercury blobs : D
[06:57] <troy_s> ugh
[06:57] <troy_s> well... trying to get _something_ that sab can approve in the next _very_ brief moment.
[06:57] <troy_s> which is damn tough
[06:57] <effraie> oups, i made a mistake.. mercury_blobs are from who..
[06:57] <troy_s> yep
[06:58] <troy_s> those are whosies...
[06:58] <troy_s> nightmarish designing for a moving target.
[06:58] <troy_s> but such is our fate.
[06:58] <effraie> something strange with the list:
[06:58] <troy_s> what?
[06:58] <effraie> i send 2 emails in the morning, and never recived them
[06:59] <troy_s> the list by default prevents you from getting your own posts i think
[06:59] <troy_s> somewhere in your config.
[06:59] <troy_s> but let me see if i got them... what were the subject lines?
[06:59] <effraie> i still configured it to received my own mails
[06:59] <troy_s> hrm... panel backgrounds?
[07:00] <troy_s> i have two from you regarding panel backgrounds on the list
[07:00] <effraie> today?
[07:01] <effraie> one biginning with "
[07:01] <effraie> Hello all
[07:01] <effraie>  i've update the page with other panel colors, but it's quite shure the
[07:01] <effraie> white is the best."

[07:02] <effraie> i'm far to be a specialist of gtk artwork."