[09:26] <rmg51> Morning
[09:34] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:33] <pvl1> morninh
[14:55] <ChinnoDog> morning


[02:01]  * bkerensa is so looking forward to being in California next Friday
[02:07] <seidos> hi everybody
[02:08] <bkerensa> hello
[02:08] <bkerensa> :D
[02:09] <seidos> how goes it bkerensa ?
[02:09] <bkerensa> good good :D
[02:10] <seidos> good :D
[19:13] <jtatum> mountain view UH tomorrow
[19:13] <akk> Thanks for the heads-up, jtatum
[19:13] <jtatum> sure thing akk :) will we see you and dave?
[19:14] <akk> Yes, almost certainly
[19:14] <jtatum> wonderful!
[19:52] <jyo> oh sweet, almost forgot it.
[19:52] <pleia2> SF one tonight, and Debian dinner
[21:21] <jtatum> great, hope to see you there jyo :)
[21:21] <jtatum> yeah! wish we could make it pleia2. actually i think we might be able to do the january one if it happens
[23:19] <pleia2> adding the ibm.com guy to moderation, this is the second out of office reply he's sent to the list :\
[23:23] <nhaines> pleia2: thank you for this notification.  I will be out of the channel on December 14th, from 2:30pm to 3:30pm.  If you have any questions, please contact Eureka in the meantime.  If your issue is urgent, you can reach me via Google+.  Happy holidays!
[23:23] <pleia2> you forgot to include lots of *other* people's contact info :)
[23:23] <nhaines> haha  :)
[23:24] <nhaines> I was hoping I'd trigger Eureka.
[23:24] <pleia2> @botsnack
[23:24] <pleia2> denied


[03:34] <jsgotangco> hello
[06:17] <mpt> jsgotangco: I think we've reached the "show us the code" point of the discussion :-)
[07:45] <jsgotangco> hah
[07:49] <jsgotangco> mpt, by chance, have you checked out the sytleguide in svn?
[07:50] <mpt> jsgotangco: no
[07:50] <jsgotangco> you want me to make an html for you and send it by email?
[07:50] <mpt> What format is it in currently?
[07:50] <jsgotangco> docbook
[07:50] <mpt> "svn up" updates me, right?
[07:51] <jsgotangco> right
[07:51] <jsgotangco> on the styleguide folder just execute the script
[07:51] <jsgotangco> "make html"
[07:52] <jsgotangco> it will make a styleguide.html in the folder
[07:52] <jsgotangco> venda, hi
[07:52] <venda> hi
[07:53] <venda> irclog is still stuck ;-(
[07:54] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:54] <venda> what we speaking about this morning
[07:54] <jsgotangco> it has been quiet
[07:55] <venda> Ah ok
[07:55] <jsgotangco> so far the natives have been peaceful
[07:55] <jsgotangco> (interesting exchange on the list though)
[07:56] <venda> Hmm, I know the problem
[07:57] <jsgotangco> you do?
[07:57] <venda> jsgotangco: I am looking for help on merging kudos into faqguide
[07:57] <venda> jsgotangco: sure, my mrs, calls me an addict
[07:57] <venda> says I should spend less time online
[07:58] <venda> So I spent most of the weekend reading Python Programming:-)
[07:59] <jsgotangco> i've been reading Ruby
[07:59] <venda>  he he
[08:00] <venda> jsgotangco: how's the kwickguide
[08:00] <jsgotangco> i have been busy but i did some small hacks
[08:01] <venda> OK did you get all the screenshots?
[08:02] <jsgotangco> not all yet
[08:02] <venda> it always amazes me how long taking screenshots takes :-)
[08:03] <jsgotangco> blame my existing contract
[08:03] <venda> no contracts are good
[08:03] <venda> screenshots take time
[08:04] <venda> dunno why, just the way it is
[08:04] <jsgotangco> my shots arent clean either
[08:04] <venda> Hmm why?
[08:04] <jsgotangco> maybe i should take them at a low resolution then clean them up after
[08:04] <jsgotangco> instead of taking them in a hig-rez
[08:06] <venda> do you use imagemagic like we described
[08:06] <jsgotangco> yep
[08:06] <venda> that will give you the right res
[08:07] <venda> looking at the screenshots I see you always have the Kubuntu desktop wall-paper in the background. Why?
[08:08] <venda> imagemagic should capture just the window
[08:08] <jsgotangco> venda, because the first shots werent made with imagemagic
[08:09] <venda> Ah ok
[08:09] <jsgotangco> the new hack should fix it
[08:09] <venda> OK
[08:10] <venda> jsgotangco: about messages on list. Is there anyting you want to say/ Do you agreee/disagree with the current strategy we are using?
[08:13] <venda> I am just interested to know whether or not those ppl committing are happy with the direction or not?
[08:14] <jsgotangco> venda, i like our current setup and would rather stick to yelp for now to deliver docs for breezy
[08:14] <jsgotangco> (sorry i think our current setup just needs housekeeping)
[08:15] <venda> that's fine
[08:15] <venda> so you prefer to dumb down the xml to support yelp
[08:16] <jsgotangco> like jdub said before, what we need to do docs for now are already in our system let's just improve on it
[08:16] <venda> what kind of housekeeping
[08:17] <venda> yes our focus is on writing the docs
[08:17] <jsgotangco> my gripe is with the current state of gnome docs which is catalogued by scrollkeeper
[08:17] <venda> but that is upstream work
[08:18] <jsgotangco> if we can fix that, we can contribute that to upstream then
[08:18] <venda> well then I would suggest that we all move to GNOME docs
[08:18] <venda> no point working at ubuntu on gnome docs
[08:18] <venda> much better to move upstream and work there
[08:19] <venda> but that would mean ubuntu docs suffer
[08:20] <jsgotangco> heh it doesnt have to be that way
[08:20] <jsgotangco> i mean what can we do with existing stuff
[08:20] <jsgotangco> unless ubuntu really goes by itself
[08:20] <venda> Hmm not sure I undersatnd
[08:21] <venda> GNOME has a Desktop Manual and app docs
[08:22] <jsgotangco> i still like the current setup probably because i am learning from it
[08:23] <venda> So you want yelp to view the xml or the HTML
[08:23] <jsgotangco> either whatever works
[08:23] <jsgotangco> (although some xml still isnt being recognized by yelp)?
[08:24] <venda> OK did you understand why I am saying to direct at HTML
[08:24] <jsgotangco> ummm..not entirely sure but i would guess when rendering it?
[08:25] <venda> I am not saying lose Yelp I am saying instead of using XML under yelp we will have yelp view HTML
[08:25] <venda> this obviates the need to dumb down the xml to support yelp
[08:25] <venda> enables more features
[08:25] <jsgotangco> will it make yelp faster?
[08:26] <venda> Yelp will still load in th etime it takes, but viewing individual pages in faster
[08:26] <venda> since it will not be transforming and then rendering
[08:26] <venda> it will just be rendering
[08:27] <venda> there is some confusion about the term "web-based" app
[08:27] <venda> the web-based app I speak of in really an HTML frameset, pages, CSS, jscript
[08:28] <venda> Yelp will not load the frameset
[08:28] <venda> and no jscript, unless the new release will support it
[08:28] <jsgotangco> will the packaging be the same?
[08:28] <venda> the packaging is the same, except we package HTML
[08:29] <venda> users can optionaly install the src package
[08:29] <venda> but the src will not always be supported by yelp
[08:29] <jsgotangco> will the html pages in yelp still show the pages catalogued by scrollkeeper?
[08:30] <venda> yelp toc does that
[08:30] <venda> or are you talking aboutthe main page
[08:30] <jsgotangco> main
[08:30] <venda> the main pag eof yelp is not touched by us
[08:31] <jsgotangco> yes i know that, i mean will it still be the same for now
[08:31] <venda> yes
[08:31] <jsgotangco> i wouldn't mind that, but we still have to write in docbook for obvious reasons and just transform it during packaging
[08:32] <venda> yes, instead of shipping xml that yelp wont support at present, we ship static HTML
[08:32] <jsgotangco> i like that
[08:33] <jsgotangco> (we can probably save some space on the disc as well)
[08:33] <venda> yes it does
[08:33] <jsgotangco> i think this is a more acceptable solution for now
[08:33] <venda> I would howver like the About Ubuntu link to open our HTML frameset
[08:34] <venda> that is what we are saying
[08:34] <venda> well me
[08:34] <venda> The About Ubuntu menu option currently opens FF
[08:35] <venda> in 5.10 instead of just showing About Ubuntu Doc there will be an HTML frameset with TOC access to all our docs
[08:35] <venda> release notes etc
[08:35] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:35] <jsgotangco> they don't want that?
[08:36] <venda> I think people do not understand or cannot see the vision
[08:36] <jsgotangco> i think that is so simple if you ask me
[08:36] <jsgotangco> it would render the same pages anyway
[08:36] <jsgotangco> right?
[08:37] <venda> yes. I need to build a demo
[08:37] <venda> but now I am sidetracked into merging kudos into faq guide
[08:38] <jsgotangco> venda, that frameset is just one html page it shouldn't be that much of an issue
[08:38] <venda> yes
[08:38] <venda> the toc is also html
[08:38] <venda> just styles with css and made interactive with jscript
[08:38] <jsgotangco> i dont see it even go beyond 5kb
[08:39] <jsgotangco> venda, i dont see any problem with this, it is very much doable and promotes reuse of existing packaged stuff
[08:39] <venda> yes, because it is a frameset, individual pages can be accessed one at a time
[08:40] <venda> so yelp will have access to individual pages
[08:41] <jsgotangco> hmmm what's the fuzz with the thread then
[08:41] <venda> I think ppl think that we are looking to replace yelp
[08:41] <venda> but that is not so
[08:42] <venda> yelp will just be viewing html from us and not transforming xml
[08:42] <jsgotangco> i say we go that path
[08:42] <jsgotangco> nobody needs the xml anyway
[08:42] <venda> but we will enable access to ubuntu doc collection under a html frameset
[08:43] <jsgotangco> venda, will the collection be in the cd or online?
[08:43] <venda> well xml is not meant for presentation
[08:43] <venda> yelp tries to transform the xml to html on the fly
[08:43] <jsgotangco> yes i noticed that
[08:43] <venda> but it does not support all docbook
[08:43] <jsgotangco> (and not very good at it)
[08:44] <venda> it supports only what gnome docteam need
[08:44] <venda> the docs will be packaged as normal on the cd
[08:44] <venda> and will be available online at help.ubuntu.com
[08:45] <venda> well that is the idea
[08:45] <venda> need to hear back from Hendrik on this
[08:45] <jsgotangco> i think that is doable and acceptable to the brass
[08:45] <venda> for preview during devel we will hopefully have use of docteam.ubuntu.com
[08:45] <venda> well we will see
[08:46] <venda> what does this mean for kwick guide
[08:46] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:46] <venda> it means that you will be able to use interdoc references
[08:46] <jsgotangco> i dont see any problem considering kde does khtml
[08:46] <venda> yes, KHelpcenter uses HTML
[08:47] <venda> but in general in means that we will be able to link between our docs
[08:47] <venda> we will not be able to link to docs under yelp
[08:47] <venda> this is the weak link
[08:48] <venda> the tradeoff is a balance between greater functional support of docbook and support of yelp
[08:48] <venda> I think it is a worthwhile tradeoff
[08:48] <venda> if we can use links between our docs
[08:49] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:49] <venda> and freatures such as glossary and index can be used
[08:49] <jsgotangco> we can probably worry about that later if yelp really gets ugly for us
[08:49] <venda> well we hope that jdub and shaunm can improve on yelp
[08:51] <jsgotangco> maybe you can email this again and explain it further in detail
[08:51] <venda> jsgotangco: but staying true to docbook, I think that oneday, help will be able to support all docbook xml
[08:52] <venda> well I am mostly interested in ppl who are comtting
[08:52] <venda> at present that is you, mdke and I
[08:53] <jsgotangco> well you forgot jeffsh
[08:53] <venda> oops and jeffsh and jjesse
[08:53] <jsgotangco> (what can 4 people do at the moment)
[08:54] <jsgotangco> with 1M users
[08:54] <jsgotangco> (1M is conservative based on the no of warty cds shipped)
[08:54] <venda> allot if they focus on writing and do not get derailed by all these discussions
[08:54] <venda> look at yourself how well you have done with kwickguide
[08:55] <jsgotangco> heh its not much at the moment, but i agree it has come a long way
[08:56] <venda> What I have found is that we get more done if we focus on writing the docs and just use what docbook has given us instead of trying to figure out work arounds to helpviewer limitations and desktop incompatabilities
[08:56] <venda> but I want the commiters to understand the HTML strategy
[08:57] <venda> At present this is the only way I see of negating the problems
[08:58] <venda> I hope yelp will oneday support full docbook
[08:58] <venda> I know that Shaunm wants this, but without help from other developers he cannot do it all alone
[08:59] <venda> hopefully now that jdub is getting involved and there is some traction at freedesktop.org we will see greater support for docbook as a standard
[08:59] <jsgotangco> (shouldn't it be in the first place)
[09:00] <venda> in a perfect world
[09:00] <venda> well gotta go get dressed
[09:00] <jsgotangco> ok i gotta grab a sandwhich
[09:00] <venda> coffee finished day must start
[09:00] <venda> c ya
[11:36] <froud> life gets interesting when you get .Net on Linux http://www.codeproject.com/showcase/Mainsoft_grasshopper.asp
[11:42] <jsgotangco> java?
[11:42] <jsgotangco> blasphemy!
[11:43] <froud> I take an open approach to technologies, if it works I use it.
[11:44] <froud> free from religios questions I can do more
[11:45] <jsgotangco> i condemn thee to be hang, drawn, and quartered
[11:45] <froud> hold on I have not got my black leathers on
[11:46] <mdke> there is so much crap on the wiki
[11:46] <mdke> sometimes I'm tempted just to delete hundreds of pages
[11:46] <jsgotangco> ahhh my favorite barrister is now awake
[11:47] <mdke> morning m'lud
[11:47] <jsgotangco> (the only barrister i know of anyway)
[11:47] <mdke> hey
[11:47] <mdke> i preferred "my favorite"
[11:47] <jsgotangco> how long will you be one anyway
[11:47] <mdke> for ever!
[11:47] <jsgotangco> ackk
[11:48] <jsgotangco> is a barrister the same as a solicitor
[11:49] <mdke> not quite
[11:49] <mdke> a barrister speaks in court
[11:49] <mdke> a solicitor does the stuff behind the scenes, like taking the client out to dinner etc
[11:50] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:50] <jsgotangco> i like the solicitor then
[11:50] <mdke> ;)
[11:50] <jsgotangco> especially if the client is a young widow of an 90-year old oil baron
[11:51] <froud> mmmmmm
[11:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, i told you to stop going out to dinner with young ladies
[11:52] <mdke> have you guys seen the page http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EverydayUsage
[11:52] <mdke> it sucks SO bad
[11:52] <froud> mdke: watch what you say soon he will focus on little boys :-(
[11:53] <froud> but there are nice ideas there for User Guide
[11:54] <froud> like I never thought of having a section on compiling
[11:54] <mdke> nor did i
[11:54] <froud> I wonder if that is a good idea or not
[11:54] <mdke> why in gods name is he telling people to compile mplayer
[11:54] <froud> dunno
[11:54] <mdke> no not for beginners imo
[11:55] <froud> mplyer is in the repos
[11:55] <mdke> quite
[11:55] <froud> guess if you want specific codecs
[11:56] <mdke> still don't think that is necessary
[11:56] <mdke> also telling users to compile kde?
[11:56] <mdke> crazy shit
[11:57] <froud> sometimes I build kde from CVS
[11:57] <froud> but that is for development
[11:57] <froud> not averageuser
[11:57] <mdke> quite
[11:58] <jsgotangco> let's just nuke the wiki one time
[11:58] <froud> not before we have ported the stuff we need :-)
[11:58] <mdke> yes
[11:58] <mdke> that's why I have left that page
[11:58] <mdke> just in case it has something that would be useful
[11:59] <jsgotangco> i dont even use our wiki to search for something useful
[12:06] <mdke> Be RiGhT bAcK
[12:50] <froud> Interesting concept and perhaps a tool
[12:51] <froud> would be nice to see how this works.
[12:51] <froud> BTW. The LFS book is great
[12:51] <froud> Nice use of docbook 4.4
[12:52] <froud> nice use of xinclude and entities
[12:53] <froud> and very neat custom layers
[12:53] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:53] <froud> impressive
[12:53] <jsgotangco> ill check it out later
[12:53] <jsgotangco> i gotta go
[12:53] <froud> ok
[06:26] <Burgundavia> morning all
[06:27] <Burgundavia> I have had a busy weekend, and have not been at the computer much
[06:49] <jjesse> morning burgundavia
[06:52] <jjesse> or afternoon as it is here :)
[08:35] <venda> elo
[10:30] <Burgundavia> venda, here
[10:30] <venda> Burgundavia: in a minute
[10:35] <venda> Burgundavia: catch you in the morning
[10:37] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:33] <mdke> aha
[11:33] <mdke> bravo enrico


[03:12] <wzssyqa> pbuilder failed after I modified something in config, it seems that I need to bump abi
[03:12] <wzssyqa> how to bump abi?
[17:36] <Martiini> anyone care to help with compiling custom kernel for a netbook on Ubuntu ?


 where's that?
 Shake Shack?
 corner of lantana, ocean avenue and a1a
 ice cream & yoghurt club
 And why were we not invited?
 Somebody say food?
 I wish I weren't trying to lose weight
 Microsoft Excel will now let you snap a picture of a spreadsheet and import it - The Verge … https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/18246429/microsoft-excel-covert-photos-data-tables-editable-table-ai-feature
 it was just a last minute run it's like 5 minutes away but you are invited tomorrow if you come up!
 xD @AdamOutler I need to lose weight too
 Android ppie is working good for me, I like it.
 I think they made some good decesions when they tweaked the UI
 @EZRA1964, I have it on one phone, just got it on my primary phone
 @RazPi - did you still need to use a hard drive dock?
 @RazPi / @Ivoriesablaze - should I come up today so I won't need to wake up at 6 AM tomorrow. I was thinking about taking the tri-rail
 I'm writing a Java manager for Android Virtual Box machines to bring them up, monitor a process which monitors the machine and shut down the machine on inactivity.
 Anyone ever wrote a process manager with 2 separate components, and multiple branches?
 That is one of my favorite scenes from mcu
 This is how I feel.
 It's incredibly frustrating to deal with multiple processes which rely upon each other.  I need more objects.
 Then I need more monitoring for those objects.
 Oh, it takes 7.5 minutes to test any changes.
 @AdamOutler, Is that all... It takes me 30+ minutes before I can test changes in my side project
 Yeah, it's not a lot, but because it relies on timing because it's an Android VM, it makes it considerably more testing extensive.
 Sitting here like
 Then
 And repeat.
 @KMyers that's not a bad idea, i'll be in west palm later
 though i am going really early tomorrow
 but my mom might be going a littler later
 When will you be in West Palm Beach?
 around 2 to 4
 Ok. Let me get ready and touch base with you in a bit to make plans
 ok
 would you be able to help set up today at all?
 I would not mind
 cool
 No problems with me crashing over your place tonight?
 yep
 Cool.  I am not driving
 We can convene at my place as a first stop
 I was going to meet Joel at the park to help setup. I am running late so I am not sure if that is still needed.
 ok
 If you're can't, it's fine, I'll see you after
 How far along are you guys?
 TBH, we could probably use the help
 I will let you know when I arrive at the station. It is a short walk to the park if memory serves me right
 From the brightline station, yes, the tri rail station is further weat
 Weat
 West
 I can pick you up if needed
 I could use the walk. It is short
 Not as short as you think, but let me know if you change your mind
 @RazPi Tokyo Bay?
 @Ivoriesablaze, I am in, I have not eaten all day
 @Ivoriesablaze dammit I just sat down with a bowl of cheerios D:
 When are you thinking of going?
 7 ish
 oh sure yeah
 @RazPi, I know.  But to determine states I have to get into screenshot analysis in a whole new level.
 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKGZx0gWkAEgHgQ.jpg
 I've been looking for excuses to post that everywhere
 but yeah that's a hulk smash situation :/
 @RazPi we're starting to make our way over
 ok might run a little late, just have to run through the shower and head out
 I've been trying to organize my study schedule
 5 minutes or everything's on you
 I just paid health insurance, I'm broke 😂
 Stopping for gas on my way
 (Location, lon: -80.066234, lat: 26.573193)


[21:28] <nacc> evora_: can you pastebin `cat /proc/cmdline` ?
[21:29] <evora_> nacc k1l BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-25-generic root=UUID=0414933c-19b9-4877-bb0d-334507c0bc5d ro quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor vt.handoff=7
[21:30] <YokoBR> please, does anyone knows how do I set my dhcp server to provide ips from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:31] <freeone3000> YokoBR: option range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>; in your dhcpd.conf
[21:31] <cliffer> i just installed phamm and i get the error "PHP message: PHP Warning:  ldap_search(): Search: Invalid DN syntax in /usr/share/phamm/lib/ldap.php on line 157". slapd gives " do_search: invalid dn: "vd=,o=hosting,dc=cembot,dc=com"". is it correct that vd is empty? if not, where to change it?
[21:32] <YokoBR> freeone3000: it's just like that, but only provides ip's until <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:33] <nacc> freeone3000: taht will only work with a proper subnet declaration, fwiw
[21:33] <YokoBR> nacc: my subnet is <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:35] <darrius6969> hi
[21:35] <darrius6969> sup
[21:36] <darrius6969> duh duh duh duh bat mannnnn
[21:36] <evora_> nacc and k1l I am running out of time... i never imagine it would be such difficulty
[21:36] <darrius6969> Who nows what highschool dxd is
[21:37] <evora_> nacc and k1l afte working in such bright laptop for more than 2 hour, my eyes start to pain.... its far better to install window back..
[21:37] <evora_> nacc and k1l , thank you so much... for your time......
[21:38] <darrius6969> Who knows the Anime Highschool Dxd
[21:38] <evora_> nacc and k1l I will quite... you adivce me lots of things to do, but we three became unsuccessful
[21:38] <evora_> nacc and k1l thanks a lot
[21:41] <nacc> evora_: sorry we couldn't help more -- did you check any of the askubuntu links i posted?
[21:42] <evora_> nacc I did lot
[21:42] <et09> is there an upgrade path from 15.04 to 16.04?
[21:42] <nacc> et09: no, 15.04 is eol already
[21:42] <et09> is there a non-suicidal way to do it? ;)
[21:42] <k1l> et09: upgrade to 15.10 asap
[21:42] <nacc> !eol | et09
[21:43] <evora_> nacc did you see the link that i sent of pastebin http://pastebin.com/h5dahDeU  http://pastebin.com/ULrQgppa
[21:43] <et09> might as well
[21:43] <et09> *deep breath*
[21:44] <et09> wily coyote
[21:46] <et09> if i upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04, and 16..04 goes from beta to release in a week (which it is, right) then it's not a headache, correct?
[21:46] <nacc> !final | et09
[21:47] <et09> gotcha, thanks
[21:50] <ahoneybun> mm if I install 14.04 amd64+mac image will I be able to upgrade to 16.04? or do I need a new special image for 16.04?
[21:51] <ubuntu574> Hello, my DE is completely messed up and I need to boot without going into X (or at least get the lightdm login prompt so I can switch to a different DE).  I can't figure out how to get a terminal, and when my computer boots, it boots directly into the broken DE
[21:51] <ubuntu574> how can I boot directly into a terminal?
[21:51] <k1l> ahoneybun: upgrade should work. but the LTS upgrade is opened in july when 16.04.1 is released
[21:52] <ahoneybun> I don't see any +mac images for 15.04 -> 15.10
[21:52] <ahoneybun> I'm working with a Mac Mini 2,1 or 3,1 not sure
[21:53] <k1l> didnt they include that refind/efi stuff into the regular installer?
[21:53] <ahoneybun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mac_mini2-1/Trusty
[21:53] <ahoneybun> a normal 14.04 dvd did not boot right
[21:53] <ahoneybun> it left me at a menu to select cdrom type
[21:53] <nacc> ahoneybun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes
[21:53] <nacc> ahoneybun: "The amd64 (Intel x86 64bit) images specifically targeted at Apple hardware (amd64+mac) are no longer produced. "
[21:54] <ahoneybun> darn
[21:54] <ahoneybun> I just got 12 units to try out
[21:54] <ahoneybun> either to install kodi or android x86
[21:54] <nacc> ahoneybun: there are some bits there to try to do the update, that is the base image should
[21:54] <nacc> *should work
[21:54] <k1l> ahoneybun: Most Apple computers are now capable of booting the amd64 image directly using the EFI (not legacy) boot method so long as their firmware is up to date.
[21:54] <k1l> so: <k1l> didnt they include that refind/efi stuff into the regular installer?   yes they did
[21:55] <ahoneybun> newer ones k1l
[21:55] <ahoneybun> not 2,1
[21:55] <ahoneybun> it says I have to patch iso images
[21:55] <nacc> ahoneybun: it says Macbook 2,1 specfically?
[21:55] <nacc> oh that you need to patch it
[21:55] <ahoneybun>  (tested working on Macbook 2,1).
[21:56] <nacc> ahoneybun: pretty easy hack, but YMMV
[21:56] <ahoneybun> yea I want to try out MATE on it
[21:56] <ahoneybun> or some image with Kodi
[21:56] <ahoneybun> I'll try it on the next machine
[21:56] <ahoneybun> thanks na
[21:56] <ahoneybun> nacc,
[21:57] <nacc> ahoneybun: the 32-bit image might just work, not sure
[21:58] <nacc> ahoneybun: np, gl!
[22:03] <ahoneybun> nacc, let's see how this install goes lol
[22:04] <overkill_> hi evry one
[22:04] <Bellator> nickserv identify giantNebulaEyedTits13&17
[22:04] <k1l> Bellator: nice long password, but i would change that now.
[22:05] <anonmous> hi
[22:05] <drown> hello all
[22:05] <drown> Can anyone help me out with an ampache problem?
[22:06] <anonmous> hello
[22:06] <drown> I'm unable to create a catalogue from a second har drive
[22:09] <znr> ado about nothing... I want to share something I found... it might help someone
[22:09] <znr> https://imgur.com/gallery/xw8aH8g
[22:16] <stqism>
[22:21] <mekhami_> i have ubuntu 15.10 installed on my desktop. What's the simplest way to put dual boot windows?
[22:24] <ovrclockd> exit
[22:25] <stqism> dude, it's /exit or /quit
[22:25] <mekhami_> stqism: seeing as he's already gone, i think he probably knew that.
[22:25] <raj_> While dinking around with an OpenStack Liberty setup (one using qemu/kvm) I noticed that a instance running an 15.04 image didn't have the qemu process consuming CPU while the instance was idle.  In the same setup a 16.04 image did.  Several percentage points.  Time consumed by the "main" qemu thread from the looks of things.  I was wondering if anyone else has seen that and/or might know what would be different between the two in terms of b
[22:25] <raj_> ehaviour while idle.
[22:25] <stqism> mekhami_, I can't read apparently
[22:30] <applepie> sooo whats up?
[22:34] <Taxicletter> Not much, it seems :-)
[22:37] <applepie> well ubuntu used to be a great distro, then the tablets came and everything changed.. no seriously the UI and anything a causal user interfaced with
[22:38] <abracadabrababy> Hi. I have some sight, so it grinds my gears that Orca reads me the window title and hyperlinks. All I want is for Orca to read me documents (with structural navigation. And whatever I "Tab" to. Is it possible to configure Orca like that?
[22:38] <applepie> well it could be worse you could be using links
[22:39] <abracadabrababy> Links is nice :)
[22:39] <abracadabrababy> But I like w3m better
[22:40] <applepie> Ive been out of the game for a while XD what is w3m
[22:40] <abracadabrababy> But just so you know blind and vision impaired people can use firefox and chrome just fine
[22:41] <applepie> well I refuse to use firefox anymore
[22:41] <applepie> and chrome is nice and fast
[22:44] <thechanceg> never heard of links, but have used lynx... funny how those sound the same
[22:48] <mekhami_> in order to dual boot windows on a machine that already has ubuntu, i have to have a boot usb for ubuntu as well so i can reinstall grub?
[22:49] <applepie> there is only one way to fix your problem! http://www.dban.org/ install this to a flash drive and boot into it
[22:49] <stqism> ???
[22:52] <mekhami_> !op
[22:52] <mekhami_> well i didn't know it was emergencies only -.-
[22:53] <applepie> wow a joke constitutes a emergency?
[22:53] <DalekSec> applepie: Still, don't do that here please.
[22:53] <elky> applepie: not an appropriate joke for a support channel
[22:53] <elky> mekhami_: op calls are always for emergencies.
[22:53]  * genii MAKES MORE COFFEE
[22:54] <mekhami_> elky: i am cosnequently aware :P
[22:54] <mekhami_> i'm used to getting whispered the list of ops from the bot
[22:54] <mekhami_> seems more useful
[22:54] <mekhami_> elky: the real elky btw?
[22:54] <applepie> wow this room is edgy XD
[22:54] <mekhami_> or not
[22:54] <applepie> I like you folks XD
[22:54] <elky> mekhami_: i don't play poker no
[22:55] <mekhami_> well you could play brood war =P but i get your point.
[22:56] <Guest83233> Why is IRC chats so weird? Why is there no other desktop chat applications on linux? One reason i always loved Aol was because of the way the chatrooms worked.
[22:57] <dax> because you're not used to them. there are.
[22:57] <dax> !info pidgin
[22:57] <dax> good example ^
[22:57] <dax> does AOL IM just fine
[22:57] <nacc> Guest83233: IRC isn't about the client, it is the protocol used by various clients
[22:57] <Guest83233> Pidgin is for instant messaging... it's not chatrooms
[22:58] <dax> Pidgin does multi-user AIM chats just fine.
[22:58] <qinusty> Hey guy, I accidentally formatted my /boot partition instead of another parition (Tired, bad labels. Long story.) Is there any way to easily recover an EFI /boot partition?
[22:58] <applepie> Pidgin runs the irc great
[22:58] <terratoma> Guest83233: best irc client is irssi
[22:58] <Guest83233> I feel like half the people who use linux are smart enough to build something like the Aol Desktop but better and more like linux
[22:58] <Guest83233> But i know my opinion is unpopular
[22:58] <applepie> there was a Aol desktop lolwhat?
[22:59] <dax> Meanwhile, #ubuntu is an Ubuntu technical support channel. So stuff that is not actual technical support goes elsewhere.
[22:59] <Guest83233> oh yes the typical "lolwhat" when someone mentions aol... :/ everyone's always like "dude you trollin"
[23:00] <rob0> qinusty, probably not a disaster, just need to reinstall the kernel, I'd think.
[23:00] <applepie> no i just cannot imagine the people responsible for the endless summer to try to make their own os..
[23:00] <rob0> s/summer/September/
[23:01] <Guest83233> I sit here wanting a linux version of Aol Desktop and may other apps but my dumbass can't even code a website. :/
[23:01]  * znr is heading to bed
[23:02] <znr> gn chan
[23:02] <Guest83233> I know basic html and shit but thats about it
[23:02] <drown> aol desktop?
[23:02] <drown> you mean aim?
[23:02] <Guest83233> No I mean Aol Desktop... we used to call it Aol browser...
[23:02] <drown> oh yeah
[23:02] <drown> I remember lol
[23:02] <applepie> .... well
[23:02] <drown> it was their proprietary client
[23:03] <drown> Why do you want that exactly?
[23:03] <Guest83233> I loved the 8.0 version with the simple little profile and the chatrooms
[23:03] <drown> And you might try Mozilla Seamonkey
[23:03] <drown> migh be kinda what your looking for.
[23:03] <squinty> mekhami_,  join #freenode ->  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list     and that will give op's names
[23:03] <Guest83233> I cant find anymore applications today that has chats like that because everything all webapp based
[23:03] <Guest83233> everythings*
[23:04] <drown> well yes.
[23:04] <applepie> I was about to say if Aol is making a linux distro
[23:04] <Guest83233> I miss the old internet, not all of it just certain parts of it
[23:04] <nacc> Guest83233: #offtopic :)
[23:04] <applepie> it might be about time for me to step off the stomp.. and make sure its 12 knots
[23:04] <Guest83233> Aol isnt doing shit... they suck at life
[23:04] <Guest83233> :/
[23:05] <rob0> squinty, you don't have to be in #freenode to /msg chanserv
[23:05] <applepie> well im out guys
[23:05] <applepie> ill see you later
[23:05] <drown> they still provide dial up service
[23:05] <davido_> Please avoid profanity in this support channel, @Guest83233.
[23:05] <Guest83233> People use dial up?
[23:06] <drown> yes plenty of people still do
[23:06] <drown> I know a woman who works for AOL actually
[23:06] <nacc> ok ok, all of this is #offtopic now :)
[23:06] <squinty> rob0,  hmmmm...have tried that command in a couple of channels and the only one that actually displays the needed information is #freenode.  did you try that command here
[23:07] <Guest83233> How hard would it be to build a desktop application with those features anyway?
[23:07] <drown> its not building the application it's the necessary network and users needed to make it useful.
[23:07] <\9> squinty: /msg is user-to-user messaging. what channels you are in when you use it doesn't matter
[23:08] <mekhami_> i'm trying to format a usb disk with gparted but i'm not sure if it's showing up. what's the command to list hardware messages again?
[23:08] <drown> dmesg
[23:08] <mekhami_> i need to verify that /dev/sdb is actually this device
[23:08] <drown> mekhami
[23:08] <drown> or
[23:08] <drown> blkid
[23:08] <drown> to show partitions/storages
[23:08] <mekhami_> okay so it is /dev/sdb
[23:08] <mekhami_> when i open up gparted and select that
[23:08] <mekhami_> i don't seem to have the option to format it
[23:08] <rob0> squinty, in irssi you get the reply from chanserv in a separate window.
[23:08] <drown> is it mounted?
[23:09] <\9> mekhami_: you format partitions, not devices
[23:09] <squinty> \9 well obviously it does in this hexchat version (current and up to date) here otherwise I would not have stated what I did
[23:09] <drown> usually needs to be unmounted first
[23:09] <\9> and yeah you'll need to unmount it first
[23:09] <\9> squinty: that is very untrue
[23:10] <mekhami_> drown:
[23:10] <mekhami_> \9 it says it's not mounted as it is
[23:10] <squinty> rob0, \9  ok have it your way.  here that is definitely NOT the case   end of discussion please
[23:10] <drown> okay
[23:10] <drown> so in gparted
[23:11] <drown> you have a drop down menu correct?
[23:11] <mekhami_> yes
[23:11] <\9> mekhami_: well as I said, /dev/sdb is a device and you format partitions of devices
[23:11] <\9> generally e.g. /dev/sdb1
[23:11] <mekhami_> \9 right
[23:11] <drown> what do you see available?
[23:11] <drown> is there unused space?
[23:11] <mekhami_> in gparted, there are two, /dev/sda (obviously) and /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb shows all unallocated
[23:12] <drown> okay
[23:12] <drown> you need a partition table
[23:12] <\9> then you don't have any partitions at all on it
[23:12] <drown> I believe.
[23:12] <\9> so you'll need to make one
[23:12] <drown> go to device
[23:12] <mekhami_> okay i see
[23:12] <\9> you're trying to format a partition but you don't have any to begin with
[23:12] <drown> and try create partition table.
[23:12] <drown> there's no data on this stick right?
[23:12] <mekhami_> right
[23:13] <drown> okay
[23:13] <mekhami_> so now it shows there's one ntfs partition 30gb
[23:13] <mekhami_> (i'd be really surprised if this was actually 30gb
[23:13] <drown> why?
[23:13] <mekhami_> idk its a dinky little usb stick i had lying around, those are almost always 4gb for me =P
[23:13] <mekhami_> if i stumbled upon a 30gb, lucky me
[23:13] <drown> it should say on the device
[23:13] <drown> what it contains
[23:14] <mekhami_> okay so
[23:14] <mekhami_> now i have an ntfs partition
[23:14] <drown> right
[23:14] <drown> is it labeled?
[23:14] <mekhami_> how exactly do i create a windows usb bootable
[23:14] <drown> wel
[23:14] <drown> hold on
[23:14] <drown> what exactly are you trying to make here?
[23:14] <mekhami_> windows boot loader
[23:14] <mekhami_> tryign to dual boot
[23:14] <drown> well
[23:15] <mekhami_> already have ubuntu, need windows on a smallish partition of the main hd
[23:15] <drown> okay
[23:15] <drown> the main hdd
[23:15] <drown> is dev/sda
[23:15] <mekhami_> right
[23:15] <drown> not dev/sdb
[23:15] <mekhami_> correct
[23:15] <mekhami_> should i create a  partition for the windows part now
[23:15] <mekhami_> no i can't do that
[23:16] <mekhami_> can't unmount it
[23:16] <mekhami_> duh.
[23:16] <mekhami_> anyways.
[23:16] <drown> Well
[23:16] <mekhami_> i just need to put windows on this usb now
[23:16] <drown> that's usually what a live usb is good for
[23:16] <mekhami_> yeah i'm doing this in reverse
[23:16] <mekhami_> i already have ubuntu
[23:16] <drown> you run your OS with gparted on the usb
[23:16] <drown> then work on the main hdd
[23:16] <drown> I'm assuming you have a Windows install disk?
[23:16] <Guest4438> hi guys this is my first time in the IRC
[23:17] <mekhami_> i have the ISO file
[23:17] <drown> and you have a Windows key that is currently NOT ACTIVATED?
[23:17] <mekhami_> probably.
[23:17] <drown> lol.
[23:18] <drown> I've honestly never done this the other way around.
[23:18] <mekhami_> am i gonna be screwed if i don't? i'm not sure if they ever used this.
[23:18] <mekhami_> this is frustrating
[23:18] <mekhami_> i just want to dual boot windows and it feels like a nightmare
[23:18] <drown> I've never installed Windows 2nd.
[23:18] <drown> I'm pretty sure
[23:18] <drown> you need to have unallocated space on the main HDD
[23:18] <drown> then boot from the Windows USB
[23:19] <drown> and set it up on the main drive
[23:19] <drown> I myself have never created a Windows USB Installer
[23:19] <drown> But I'm quite sure this process is detailed online.
[23:23] <mekhami_> apparently you can't even buy a new copy of windows 7 anywhere
[23:23] <mekhami_> digitally anyway.
[23:23] <drown> no I dont think so
[23:23] <drown> only oem's have it
[23:24] <drown> Sometimes you can find old laptops or desktops with it still installed in stores with old inventory
[23:24] <mekhami_> maybe i should just buy windows 10 anyway
[23:24] <drown> but even that could be a longshot
[23:24] <drown> I'm not allowing any of my Windows devices to update to 10
[23:24] <mekhami_> what are you running
[23:24] <mekhami_> vista?
[23:24] <squinty> !topic
[23:24] <drown> I have a 7 install and 2 8 installs
[23:25] <mekhami_> if it weren't for gaming microsoft would be dead.
[23:25] <drown> I wish that were true,but most businesses rely on Microsoft
[23:26] <drown> Word/ActiveExchange are pretty standard in the business world.
[23:26] <mekhami_> yeah. i really have to figure this out.
[23:26] <drown> You wanna game on this I'm assuming?
[23:28] <drown> mekhami_: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/9585/how-to-setup-a-usb-flash-drive-to-install-windows-7/
[23:28] <drown> I think you may need a windows computer to accomplish this.
[23:28] <mekhami_> yeah
[23:28] <mekhami_> actually i may have one...
[23:29] <drown> The other thing is
[23:29] <drown> on newer computers they use UEFI bootloaders
[23:29] <drown> and that's tricky too and beyond my field of knowledge
[23:29] <mekhami_> this isn't newer thankfully
[23:29] <drown> well then that's a good thing.
[23:30] <_28_ria> I have "initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused", when I run initctl list or "status/start/stop some-service-name". Ubuntu 15.10
[23:34] <dax> _28_ria: sounds like you're looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers#Commands
[23:34] <dax> _28_ria: since Ubuntu 15.10 uses systemd, not upstart, so e.g. initctl won't work
[23:35] <squinty> fwiw, that command still works (initctl list) on 16.04 here
[23:38] <jiffe> so I installed the nvidia digits package for ubuntu 14.04 from their repo, it added a /etc/init/nvidia-digits-server.conf file but when I run service nvidia-digits-server start it says unknown job
[23:40] <captainbreak> how do I make grub not timeout?
[23:40] <captainbreak> GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1
[23:47] <jiffe> or is there a way I can issue service start and get better output as to what the actual problem is?
[23:49] <txspud> jiffe, did you check to see if it's in systemd by chance, i.e. systemctl -a |grep nvidia
[23:50] <jiffe> systemctl: Command not found.
[23:51] <txspud> jiffe, are you on 14.04 or 16.04?
[23:51] <jiffe> 14.04
[23:52] <txspud> jiffe, so the conf file and a service will be different. There's nothing in /etc/init.d for the nvidia package?
[23:52]  * bracketslash hello everyone
[23:52] <jiffe> nothing in /etc/init.d just /etc/init
[23:53] <txspud> jiffe, does dpkg -L tell you anything about binaries or scripts available?
[23:55] <jiffe> a bunch of stuff under /usr/share/digits, /etc/digits.cfg, /etc/nginx and two files under /etc/init
[23:56] <txspud> jiffe what's the other file under /etc/init other than the conf file?
[23:57] <jiffe> another conf file, digits-jobs-dir which has a start on starting nvidia-digits-server line
[23:57] <jiffe> all it looks to do is mkdir and chown some directories
[23:57] <txspud> jiffe and is there an nvidia-digits-server binary on the system?
[23:58] <jiffe> txspud: negative
[23:58] <jiffe> exec stdbuf -oL -eL gunicorn --config gunicorn_config.py digits.webapp:app >>/var/log/digits/digits.log 2>&1
[23:58] <jiffe> that's the exec line in the nvidia-digits-server.conf file


[04:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> 94mb bionic updates
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> !info libreoffice bionic
[04:30] <ubot5`> libreoffice (source: libreoffice): office productivity suite (metapackage). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:6.0.1-0ubuntu3 (bionic), package size 11 kB, installed size 100 kB
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> troll night?
[07:17] <ducasse> good morning, all
[08:00] <EriC^^> morning all
[08:02] <ducasse> morning EriC^^ - all well today?
[08:02] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[08:02] <EriC^^> yes thanks, yourself?
[08:02] <ducasse> all good here, just freezing cold
[08:04] <jink> It is!
[08:04] <jink> :/
[08:05] <jink> For my dutch pals: belastingaangifte!
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> bbl work guys
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <jink> Hi BluesKaj.  How've you been?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi jink coping as well I can, doing ok ...how are you?
[12:18] <jink> Fine, mostly.  Close to another depression, I think.  Things feel wrongish.  That mostly means it's about to hit me within 2 months.  But it's been like that all my life, so I'm not really complaining (although that might sound weird to some).
[12:18] <jink> BluesKaj: How are the kids?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> they're doing ok too
[12:19] <jink> Oh, lunch break in 10 minutes, btw, so if I'm gone all of a sudden, that'll be why.
[12:20]  * BluesKaj nods
[12:20] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - wb :)
[12:21] <jink> It's weird, though.  I remember my dad dying (15 years ago) and my brother and I are "ok", I guess.  My mom's been alone ever since, which is fine, but weird after having spent most of your lives together.
[12:21] <BluesKaj>  hey ducasse, thanks , how's things ?
[12:21] <jink> (For reference, I'm 40.)
[12:22] <ducasse> good here, but cold
[12:23] <BluesKaj> mild here for the last 10 days or so, snow is melting away
[12:25] <ducasse> hope that will happen here soon, but it's been cold lately
[12:25] <BluesKaj> looks like an early spring atm, but march can be snowy and coid here
[13:22] <jink> Re.
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:25] <ducasse> evening, lotuspsychje
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse how was your day :p
[18:27] <ducasse> good, just had a friend over, watched a movie. now got to start late dinner
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> nordic movie?
[18:34] <ducasse> yep, the original recording of the movie i saw in cinema recently
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> cool
[18:40] <OerHeks> is that movie on a hot, sunny nordic beach?
[18:41] <OerHeks> i like SF
[18:41]  * OerHeks bongs the anbox
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> its snowing in norway OerHeks :p
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> dont think it would be smart to lay on the beach
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> !info brightnessctl
[18:45] <ubot5`> Package brightnessctl does not exist in artful
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> !info brightnessctl bionic
[18:45] <ubot5`> brightnessctl (source: brightnessctl): Control backlight brightness. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-1 (bionic), package size 10 kB, installed size 34 kB
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> available:Ubuntu - starting with 18.04 (and derivatives)
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> https://github.com/Hummer12007/brightnessctl
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> Device 'radeon_bl0' of class 'backlight':
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> 	Current brightness: 255 (100%)
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> 	Max brightness: 255
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> cool stuff
[18:51] <OerHeks> :-)
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> hey Carll  welcome
[18:52] <Carll> Thanks for the invite lotuspsychje
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> here's is our lil discuss nest
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> for a better support experience
[18:53] <Carll> :)
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> Carll: wich distro are you on mate?
[18:54] <Carll> lotuspsychje: windows 10.
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> okay
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> and supporting ubuntu?
[18:55] <Carll> for the moment at least, I operate Ubuntu servers. :)
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> nice, you do this as daytime job?
[18:56] <Carll> Nope, looking to get invovled in tech as a career though.
[18:56] <Carll> involved*
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> Carll: good idea, check canonical vacancies?
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> they got a big list
[18:57] <Carll> lotuspsychje: thanks for the heads up
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> np
[18:58] <Carll> lotuspsychje: did you fix the issue you were having last night?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> i had an issue?
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> last night didnt came to irc i think
[18:59] <Carll> lotuspsychje: you're correct, different person.
[19:00] <Carll> one of those days, my apologies.
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> Carll: your servers are xenial?
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[19:01] <Carll> correct!
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> Carll: what purpose they serve?
[19:02] <Carll> irc, dns, sql, web, vpn, storage etc
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> cool
[19:04] <Carll> lotuspsychje: are you in full-time tech?
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> Carll: well, welcome to the crew and enjoy your stay
[19:05] <Carll> cheers
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> Carll: no im part time kitchen part time ubuntu shop/upgrades
[19:05] <Carll> that's pretty cool.
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> my goal is upgrading more existing machines to ubuntu LTS
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> with samsung 850 pro ssd's
[19:06] <Carll> I work in construction full time, as a carpenter, destroys the body eventually :(
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> Carll: yeah had the same problem, so i wanted out
[19:06] <Carll> lotuspsychje: yeah, linux has many advantages compared to other distros!
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> Carll: life is too short, to not find our dreams
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> Carll: hope you find yourself a neat tech job
[19:08] <OerHeks> !find dreams
[19:08] <ubot5`> Found: pipenightdreams, pipenightdreams-data, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W: (and 274 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=dreams&searchon=names&suite=artful&section=all
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:08] <Carll> you speak the truth, many thanks for the invite and warm welcoming :)
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> np mate
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks is a starting synth career :p
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> and he likes roomsoesjes
[19:18] <ducasse> OerHeks plays chihuahua rock ;)
[19:18] <OerHeks> vicious love ..
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:24] <OerHeks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/odbzjcjqritl0t3/2015DrabberSStoer.JPG?dl=0
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> cool
[19:28] <ducasse> d'aawwww :)
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[19:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :) .. Fancy you still here :) - What have I missed in my snooze time ?
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: slowly in main
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> and trolls this morning
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> and we have found a new volunteer to join us Carll
[19:31] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well I guess I take your direction, and " wake them up " :P
[19:31] <OerHeks> lonely people
[19:32] <Bashing-om> hey Carll // Welome to support .. We can use all the help we can get :)
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> 1556 users, and 2000 to come on bionic release
[19:34] <Carll> Bashing-om: thank you :)
[19:36] <Bashing-om> Carll: .... so what brought you to ubuntu ? How long now have you been a user ?
[19:46] <Carll> I used to experiment with ubuntu on a live cd, slowly progressed to servers.
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[19:46] <Carll> lotuspsychje: night!
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> add to favs Carll and ttyl
[19:46] <Carll> spending a good 4-5 hours to download the .iso because internet wasnt the best.
[19:48] <Bashing-om> Carll: I came into ubuntu from server ( slackware ), and gradually graduated to using any GUI, Still not real comfortable with a GUI .. but willing to learn better :)
[19:54] <ducasse> hiya Bashing-om - long time no see :) still not smoking? ;)
[19:56] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Well,. Better said .. controlled withdrawal .. still not quit quitting .. BUT not getting easy either .
[19:57] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I relapsed yesterday .. and today I pay the price :P
[19:58] <ducasse> Bashing-om: well, you have my sympathy... got to quit myself soon, not looking forward to it
[20:00] <Bashing-om> ducasse: The things we do to ourselves ... I just do not 'know' that the trade off of not smoking is worth the pain .
[20:01] <ducasse> Bashing-om: maybe not, but i'm not entirely convinced that smoking is worth the immense cost anymore
[20:03] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I tell ya like I feel .. No ! smoking is not worth the cost in so many ways . Smoking is a pacifier ... just how much of a baby am I ?
[20:07] <ducasse> Bashing-om: well, i say that, but still roll another one after dinner :)
[20:16] <Bashing-om> ducasse: After eating is my tough time too .. Just have to push through it .. one way or another .
[20:22] <ducasse> Bashing-om: you stopped doing a couple of hits every few hours?
[20:25] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yeah, still working on increasing the time span :) Presently stuck on the 2 hours + a few minutes .


[00:30] <Space-Duck> So I installed LAMP via tasksel and I'm trying to make a link between /var/www and my home dir, but I'm not sure of the best way to do it. Any help?
[00:30] <Space-Duck> I'm looking at "Solutions 2" on this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/46331/how-to-avoid-using-sudo-when-working-in-var-www
[00:31] <Space-Duck> Is that a good way to go about it?
[02:43] <JackyAlcine> How do you change the user agent in Firefox in 11.10 (Ubuntu)?
[02:43]  * JackyAlcine feels a bit embarrassed for asking. >_<
[05:36] <deper29> hey guys, I'm trying to follow this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules but am running into troubles when I have to install the linux-alsa-driver-modules package
[05:37] <deper29> what I get is this: deper29@Fermat:~$ sudo apt-get install linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:37] <deper29> Reading package lists... Done
[05:37] <deper29> Building dependency tree
[05:37] <deper29> Reading state information... Done
[05:37] <deper29> E: Couldn't find package linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-35-generic
[05:37] <ashickur-noor> deper29:  which sound card do you use?
[05:38] <deper29> I'm trying to run this through the HDMI on my graphics card
[05:38] <ashickur-noor> give the output of lspci
[05:39] <ashickur-noor> run this  uname -r
[05:39] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/733895/
[05:39] <deper29> 2.6.32-35-generic
[05:40] <ashickur-noor> ok
[05:41] <ashickur-noor> search it on synaptic package manager
[05:41] <ashickur-noor> by ''linux-alsa-driver-modules''
[05:41] <deper29> search the linux-alsa-driver-modules?
[05:41] <deper29> kk
[05:41] <ashickur-noor> then see what happen
[05:42] <ashickur-noor> goto synaptic package manager
[05:42] <ashickur-noor> search by this name ''linux-alsa-driver-modules''
[05:42] <deper29> all of hte stuff in there is for 2.6.32
[05:42] <deper29> it looks like
[05:43] <ashickur-noor> there must be 2.6.32-35
[05:45] <deper29> http://imagebin.org/183434
[05:45] <deper29> just that
[05:45] <deper29> :(
[05:45] <deper29> goes up to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:45] <deper29> *-34
[05:47] <ashickur-noor> then install the *.34
[05:47] <ashickur-noor> I think it should work
[05:47] <ashickur-noor> *.35 is not released yet
[05:48] <deper29> k, I will do that
[05:48] <deper29> I can do it through synaptic right? I don't need to use terminal?
[05:49] <ashickur-noor> synaptic is best
[05:49] <deper29> kk
[05:49] <deper29> just going ot reboot
[05:49] <ashickur-noor> ok
[05:49] <deper29> back in a bit! thanks :)
[05:51] <ashickur-noor> can any body give me a screensot of 10.10 startup screen
[05:51] <deper29> back
[05:52] <ashickur-noor> deper29:  is it works?
[05:52] <ashickur-noor> IAmNotThatGuy:  hi
[05:52] <deper29> still going through the rest :P
[05:52] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hello ashickur-noor
[05:52] <ashickur-noor> deper29:  let us know what is going on
[05:53] <ashickur-noor> IAmNotThatGuy:  which version u r using now?
[05:53] <IAmNotThatGuy> ashickur-noor: Currently, I am not at my machine. I use Lucid and  2 Oneiric =]
[05:54] <ashickur-noor> hum
[05:54] <ashickur-noor> I need some pic of 10.10, so I asked
[05:54] <deper29> kk, almost finished here
[05:55] <deper29> no dice :(
[05:55] <deper29> essentially, this is what I'm trying to do
[05:55] <deper29> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1668737
[05:56] <IAmNotThatGuy> ashickur-noor: PM
[05:56] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/733903/
[05:58] <ashickur-noor> deper29: then I can not help you
[05:59] <ashickur-noor> I don't have any experience of HDMI
[05:59] <deper29> okay
[05:59] <deper29> thanks for your help so far :)
[05:59] <ashickur-noor> deper29: 1 thing
[05:59] <deper29> yeah?
[05:59] <ashickur-noor> use backdated kernel version of *.34
[05:59] <deper29> like, when I boot?
[05:59] <ashickur-noor> u r using *.35
[06:00] <deper29> how do I do that?
[06:00] <ashickur-noor> ya, if it is install
[06:00] <ashickur-noor> don't you have old kernel in ur OS?
[06:00] <deper29> I have the option upon boot to go *.34
[06:00] <deper29> yeah
[06:01] <ashickur-noor> then use that
[06:01] <deper29> and see if it works?
[06:01] <deper29> I will give it a shot I guess :P
[06:01] <deper29> thanks again :)
[06:01] <ashickur-noor> try
[06:03] <ashickur-noor> any one can you tell me about Ubuntu logo trademark?
[06:04] <ashickur-noor> Can I edit the logo to print on some meterial?
[06:05] <ashickur-noor> ??
[06:10] <deper29> I hit a small hiccup
[06:10] <deper29> deper29@Fermat:~$ grep eld_valid /proc/asound/NVidia/eld*
[06:10] <deper29> /proc/asound/NVidia/eld#0.0:eld_valid		1
[06:10] <deper29> /proc/asound/NVidia/eld#1.0:eld_valid		1
[06:10] <deper29> /proc/asound/NVidia/eld#2.0:eld_valid		0
[06:10] <deper29> /proc/asound/NVidia/eld#3.0:eld_valid		0
[06:10] <deper29> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1668737
[06:10] <deper29> according to that thread, I should only have one line that returns 1
[06:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> May I know the actual issue?
[06:14] <ashickur-noor> IAmNotThatGuy:  to whome?
[06:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> deper
[06:16] <deper29> I'm trying to get HDMI sound from my graphics card to my TV
[06:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> ashickur-noor: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[06:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> deper29: tried killing pulseaudio and restarting?
[06:17] <ashickur-noor> IAmNotThatGuy:  thnx
[06:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> ashickur-noor: you might also need https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[06:19] <deper29> how do I do that?
[06:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> killall pulseaudio in terminal?
[06:22] <bioterror> pulseaudio -k
[06:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> even 'pulseaudio -k' in terminal will be enough I believe
[06:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror: :P
[06:22] <deper29> okay
[06:22] <deper29> did it
[06:22] <bioterror> do you always repeat what I say? :D
[06:22] <deper29> lol
[06:22] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror: Sometimes :P
[06:23] <IAmNotThatGuy> deper29: check whether you can play sound. If not, try pulseaudio --check
[06:23] <bioterror> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NXfYc7QPkKU/TRwcyQpSg9I/AAAAAAAAAnU/6pB2K8KnJz8/s1600/Screenshot-Ubuntu-Sound-Preferences.png what does that hardware tab say?
[06:23] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror: you should reduce the speed that you respond so that we can post in same time :P
[06:24] <bioterror> do you have that HDMI device activated?
[06:24] <deper29> I have it connected
[06:24] <deper29> what do you mean activated?
[06:24] <IAmNotThatGuy> Are the drivers set and are active?
[06:24] <deper29> yes
[06:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> goto sound preferenced and you will get a screen as mentioned by bioterror
[06:25] <IAmNotThatGuy> s/preferenced/preferences
[06:27] <deper29> hardware tab says HDA NVidia
[06:27] <deper29> Profile: Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output
[06:33] <deper29> ??
[08:17] <the^user> goeden morgen
[08:18] <the^user> dit is dus voor de beginnende ubuntu gebruikers
[08:19] <nlsthzn> !gb
[08:19] <ubot2> Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[08:19] <nlsthzn> doh :p
[08:19] <nlsthzn> the^user: hi... english please :)
[08:19] <the^user> zou iemanmd mij kunnen helpen met het instellen van mijn gmail account in evolution, ik heb de website met de stap voor stap instructie voor mij liggen, maar ik kan nergens een wachtwoord invullen.
[08:20] <the^user> english
[08:20] <the^user> oeps
[08:20] <the^user> is there a channel voore beginners dutch
[08:20] <Unit193> !nl
[08:20] <ubot2> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[08:21] <the^user> uboth thnx
[08:21] <nlsthzn> Unit193: ah thanks...
[08:24] <the^user> i try it in english
[08:25] <nlsthzn> the^user: check the -nl channel I am trying to assist ;)
[08:25] <the^user> i cant configurate evolution for my e mail account i have the website that i need i follow these staps but it dont work, als my button to get my e mail in evolution dopnt work.
[08:26] <nlsthzn> but not in dutch :p
[08:26] <nlsthzn> guys, in Evolution to save your password... when do you fill it in as there is no option when setting up the account?
[08:27] <the^user> yes
[08:28] <the^user> thsats my problem also
[08:28] <nlsthzn> the^user: I know, that is why I am asking ;)
[08:28] <the^user> hahaha oke :)
[08:29] <the^user> i,m not blond but sometimes iḿ not working propperly
[08:29] <the^user> i think braindamage
[12:05] <ashickur-noor> need some regarding pgp key
[12:12] <ashickur-noor> How to sign a document using my openpgp key? Any one can tell me?
[12:14] <ashickur-noor> IAmNotThatGuy:
[12:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hi
[12:18] <IAmNotThatGuy> ashickur-noor: You should see http://www.wikihow.com/Sign-the-Ubuntu-Code-of-Conduct
[12:18] <ashickur-noor> IAmNotThatGuy:  I have already sign it
[12:18] <ashickur-noor> the method is CLI
[12:18] <ashickur-noor> I need some GUI
[12:19] <IAmNotThatGuy> Nope. In that they have said about how to get the digital signature
[12:19] <IAmNotThatGuy> I am already held up with works dude. Sorry. I ll get you once my work is done.
[12:20] <ashickur-noor> IAmNotThatGuy:  OK
[12:24] <ashickur-noor> How can I work cannon ip1980 On Ubuntu 10.04?
[12:26] <ashickur-noor> head_victim:
[12:32] <IAmNotThatGuy> ashickur-noor: It will be better to not to ping each person as they might not be available. Kindly watch out regarding this
[12:32] <ashickur-noor> Ok
[12:37] <ashickur-noor> Is anybody here?
[12:41] <Snicksie> yeah, im here :)
[12:41] <ashickur-noor> How can I work cannon ip1980 On Ubuntu 10.04?
[12:41] <Snicksie> i'll have a look for you ashickur-noor, but there's always a possibility it doesnt work yet in ubuntu ;)
[12:42] <ashickur-noor> Snicksie: then what can I use?
[12:42] <Snicksie> patience please, im taking a look. as soon as i've found something i'll let you know ;)
[12:43] <Snicksie> http://www.jdam.us/2010/07/07/canon-ip1980-printer-via-linux-ubuntu-10-04/ : have you tried this yet, ashickur-noor ?
[12:43] <ashickur-noor> let me check
[12:45] <ashickur-noor> I will confirm you latter
[13:40] <ashickur-noor> Which type of file I can sign by using OpenPGP key
[13:47] <ashickur-noor> Need some help to digitally sign a pdf file
[13:47] <ashickur-noor> have anybody test it?
[13:50] <ashickur-noor> Can anybody help me?
[13:51]  * nlsthzn has only had to difitally sign one document, and there was a how-to :)
[14:27] <E3D3> How can I get the full location from a file in nautilus ? Properties show it partly.
[14:37] <Hardtack> I'm attempting to put Ubuntu 11.10 on a 32G Sandisk pen drive.  I reformatted the drive Fat 32 and gave it a 4G persistence file.  When I reboot my HP dv9820 laptop, I receive an error message, "Could not find kernel image: /casper/vmlinuz"  Would someone please help me?
[14:38] <nlsthzn> Hardtack: which method did you use to create the USB?
[14:41] <Hardtack> nlsthan: I'm having Brainlock - give me a minute please
[14:41] <E3D3> Hardtack: I like MultiSystem (http://liveusb.info/dotclear/)
[14:45] <Hardtack> nlsthan: my method was Universal-USB-installer-<IP_ADDRESS>.exe
[14:47] <nlsthzn> Hardtack: hmmm... that is the "official" method as described on the ubuntu site... so it is strange that it didn't work...
[14:48]  * nlsthzn is on his way home from work now... so hopefully one of the guru's will step up and fix you in two seconds flat...
[14:49] <geirha> Some hardware has problems booting when the usb is persistent. I'm not sure why, or if that is still the case.
[14:53] <Hardtack> geirha: On a previous attempt, I used Universal-USB-installer-<IP_ADDRESS>.exe and set the installation for NO persistent file.  On that occasion I received an error message, "vesamenu.c32: not a COM32R image".  I gave up on that, and reformatted the stick WITH a persistent file, resulting in this chat.
[14:56] <holstein> Hardtack: i typically just install to the USB stick, and put grub on there
[14:58] <Hardtack> holstein: I don't understand "grub", other than something I eat!
[14:58] <holstein> grub is the boot loader that ubuntu uses by default
[14:59] <holstein> !info grub2
[14:59] <holstein> !grub
[14:59] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[14:59] <holstein> *if* you were to actually install ubuntu, that sould replace the bootloader you are using (by default)
[15:00] <holstein> if you had windows on there, it would repace the windows bootloader (which will only boot windows) and install grub which will install both
[15:00] <holstein> well, not install, it will allow both linux and windows to boot
[15:00] <holstein> but, thats not what you want
[15:01] <holstein> you want a persistent USB... and i see no advantage to that being live... i get a USB stick, and the alternate ISO's still allow for customizing where grub goes
[15:01] <Hardtack> ubot2: There's no Windows section on this stick.  Does the subject "Lost GRUB after installing Windows?" apply to me?
[15:01] <ubot2> Hardtack: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:02] <holstein> Hardtack: that is an error that can result
[15:02] <Hardtack> My error - sorry.
[15:02] <holstein> no worries...
[15:06] <Hardtack> holstein: I'm chatting on a Windows machine.  Please tell me how to "!info grub2" without Linux.
[15:07] <holstein> Hardtack: you dont have grub on that windows machine
[15:07] <holstein> what im suggesting is an alternative to the persisent live scenario
[15:08] <holstein> where, you would actually install ubuntu, using the USB stick as the destination, then installing grub (for the bootloader) to that same USB stick
[15:08] <holstein> this is again the method i prefer, since i end up with a traditional normal system, just one that is on a USB stick
[15:09] <holstein> Hardtack: what are you using to create the stick that you are trying to make?
[15:09] <Hardtack> holstein: Oops, we didn't/_I_ didn't communicate well.  Yes, I know that I don't have grub on a Windows machine.  How to I use my Windows machine to !linfo for the grub that may not be in exist on my stick?
[15:10] <holstein> Hardtack: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent ??
[15:10] <Hardtack> holstein: above I replied to nlsthan: my method was Universal-USB-installer-<IP_ADDRESS>.exe
[15:10] <holstein> i personally use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[15:11] <holstein> but again, i dont do persistence that way ^^
[15:13] <Hardtack> holstein: To your question, "did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent ??", I looked at it some three hours ago, but my first impression is that it doesn't have anything to do with my problem.
[15:15] <holstein> Hardtack: what would you lie for me to help you with?
[15:16] <holstein> i feel like the error you are encountering could be anything from the stick being bad, to a bad downloaded image, to something with the usb creator you are using
[15:16] <holstein> i personally tried the usb creator a few years ago, and it didnt work well for me, so i went back with unetbootin
[15:20] <Hardtack> holstein: If I knew, I wouldn't be asking for help.  Just tell me "load /casper/vmlinuz from the website www.universalfixes.net and install it in your root directory using the executable file 'smashed_grub.bin'." or some such.
[15:20] <holstein> Hardtack: unfortunately theres not an easy answer... a 'click this and all is well' answer
[15:21] <holstein> i would suggest using unetbooting with that usb stick and that downloaded image ot make just a normal bootable live stick
[15:21] <holstein> that will tell you the image is good, and the stick is good, and give you a result that is positive
[15:21] <Hardtack> holstein: Thank you for your assistance.  I think I'll wait and see if another expert can help.
[15:22] <holstein> then, you can go from there, changing the stick out, or trying a different downloaded image
[15:22] <holstein> Hardtack: sure... good luck :)
[15:24] <holstein> Hardtack: you might find some assistance with your ubuntu loco team http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[15:24] <holstein> but i assure you , to diagnose whats going on, you will need to be cooperative with *some* form of troubleshooting at some point
[15:24] <Hardtack> holstein: I'll give http://locoubuntu.com/ a try.  Thanks!
[15:27] <Hardtack> holstein: Firefox rerouted http://locoubuntu.com to www.locoubuntu.com and reports it can't find the server.
[15:28] <holstein> you can just click here >> http://loco.ubuntu.com/ or type it in as-is
[15:28] <holstein> you need a *.* after the loco
[15:28] <Hardtack> holstein: I clicked and told you what Firefox reported.
[15:28] <holstein> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[15:30] <Hardtack> holstein: Ah!  It appears that you left out an important <dot> in the original address.  Thanks.
[15:30] <holstein> Hardtack: typically, the channels are laid out like this... i am in north carolina, US, so my loco is
[15:30] <holstein>  #ubuntu-us-nc
[15:31] <holstein> you can likely just guess the channel you want to try... /join #ubuntu-us-tx or however the particular chat client you use connects
[15:38] <holstein> also, just to clarify, and you can check the scroll back.. the dot is missing in the response you typed, and thats likely the link you clicked on, resutling in the error Hardtack
[15:39] <Hardtack> holstein: I agree.  My error, not yours.  Thanks.
[16:50] <truepurple>  This site https://launchpad.net/~handbrake-ubuntu/+archive/ppa, says "You'll see that the text-box directly below reads something like this ...Copy those lines." copy, as in input them into terminal too?
[16:52] <hobgoblin> truepurple: if you have a newish version the easiest thing to do is sudo add-apt-repository ppa:handbrake-ubuntu/ppa
[16:53] <truepurple> I did that, and I did the update thing
[16:53] <truepurple> but hobgoblin that was not enough for the program to appear it seems
[16:53] <hobgoblin> you need to install it as well - that just adds the repo and when you updated made the package available for install
[16:54] <truepurple> how do I install it?
[16:54] <hobgoblin> sudo apt-get install handbrake   if that's the name of the package
[16:54] <hobgoblin> or you could use software centre
[16:55] <truepurple> It isnt listed there
[16:55] <truepurple> hobgoblin, know of another way to fix videos without indexes for rewinding and fastforwarding?
[16:55] <hobgoblin> nope - sorry
[16:56] <truepurple> that line didnt work
[16:56] <truepurple> "E: Unable to locate package handbrake"
[16:56] <hobgoblin> apt-cache search handbrake
[16:56] <truepurple> no good
[16:57] <truepurple> I did the line, it went to prompt again, did previous line, it didnt install
[16:57] <hobgoblin> oh hang on - there is only a version for natty - not oneiric
[16:57] <truepurple> what is the name of 11.04?
[16:59] <hobgoblin> natty
[17:00] <hobgoblin> truepurple: do you have 11.04?
[17:00] <hobgoblin> hi haqking
[17:00] <truepurple> yes
[17:00] <haqking> hi piskie
[17:01] <truepurple> hobgoblin, what is its name, is it natty or oneiric?
[17:08] <hobgoblin> truepurple: 11.04 is natty
[17:10] <hobgoblin> truepurple: do you know how to use pastebins? open a terminal run command that follows and copy it to the pastebin - enter and give me the link - please do not paste it all in here
[17:10] <hobgoblin> truepurple: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:10] <hobgoblin> that is a lower case L not an I or a 1
[17:11] <hobgoblin> oh lol - nvm I lied - it only goes to lucid
[17:11] <hobgoblin> hang on - I did find a link
[17:11] <hobgoblin> try this  one - possibly it has a natty version - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11430209&postcount=2
[17:14] <truepurple> hobgoblin, it says 11.10, that means it will work for 11.04 too?
[17:15] <truepurple> I guess so
[17:16] <hobgoblin> no idea - it might - I'm sort of in the middle of some r/l stuff and haven;t had time to backtrack to find the ppa page
[17:17] <hobgoblin> truepurple: yes it does
[17:18] <truepurple> hobgoblin, E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:18] <truepurple> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[17:18] <truepurple> What do I need to shut down?
[17:22] <hobgoblin> software centre perhaps
[17:22] <hobgoblin> anything that is accessing the dpkg lock - so anything that's installing anything
[17:25] <dangertux> alternatively you could do sudo killall -9 apt (this will stop anything using apt and probably make it crash just a fair warning) then retry to use apt to do the update/install/whatever
[17:28] <truepurple> gah, weird things are suddenly happening with my system
[17:29] <truepurple> I can't get into nautilus, windows of nautilus that were already up first hanged with the cursor, and then went blank, and small up ups keep on coming up, that are blank white
[17:31] <truepurple> hobgoblin, dangertux
[17:31] <dangertux> yes?
[17:32] <hobgoblin> I'm not going to be much help with ubuntu - I use something else
[17:32] <dangertux> truepurple - I would try rebooting it and see if it's still doing it
[17:32] <hobgoblin> truepurple: if you've got a terminal open you could try running top to see what's at the top
[17:33] <truepurple> "running top"? what does that mean hobgoblin?
[17:34] <hobgoblin> it's a program in terminal, tells you what things are running and cpu usage and the like
[17:34] <truepurple> how do I start it hobgoblin?
[17:35] <hobgoblin> type top in a terminal
[17:37] <truepurple> hmm, well it seems to have resolved itself now
[17:39] <hobgoblin> might be worth keeping an eye on that - if it happens again - remember top in terminal :)
[17:39] <truepurple> you dont know anything about handbreak?
[17:42] <hobgoblin> nope - sorry - no idea even as to what it is :)
[17:48] <truepurple> hobgoblin, know anything about methods to fix indexing on videos?
[17:48] <hobgoblin> sorry
[17:50] <hobgoblin> if there's no-one in here jumps in to say I do either hang about or maybe have a look on the forum - perhaps use googlbuntu to search it
[17:52] <truepurple> not had much success with forum, even with easier questions
[17:53] <hobgoblin> well I have had no problem using it personally.
[17:53] <truepurple> using the forum? The problem is that people rarely respond and help from my exp
[17:54] <zkriesse> truepurple: Eh depends upon how you ask
[17:55] <zkriesse> Most people just browse it to find answers for their own questions...They rarely help I agree but it's because half the time they aren't there to help
[17:55] <zkriesse> Its the rock-solid contributors from the deep, dark, mysterious past like hobgoblin who help :P
[17:57] <hobgoblin> truepurple: if you've had problems getting help from the forum - have a look at one of the stickies in the ABT forum - might help
[17:58] <truepurple> link to this abt forum please
[17:58] <zkriesse> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?s=1f80d5fb4461f4515d5e6818fe71b0ad&f=326
[17:59] <zkriesse> It's the "Absolute Beginners Talk" section
[17:59] <zkriesse> Lot of those questions get answered and talked about
[17:59] <truepurple> btw, it seems it is thia handbreak thing that is causing trouble with my system
[17:59] <truepurple> that is where I have gone before
[18:01] <hobgoblin> truepurple: this post - read it - might help might not http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8920811&postcount=1
[18:01] <hobgoblin> anyway I'm off for a while now
[18:02] <truepurple> hobgoblin, something in that handbreak program is causing major problems with naut, how can I shut it down?
[18:02] <zkriesse> You could just kill it from terminal
[18:02] <zkriesse> p aux grep it
[18:03] <truepurple> how? I mean I already closed the program itself, but its side effects continue
[18:03] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: this is the beginners help channel - might help to explain that lol
[18:03] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: Yeah I'm working on it :P
[18:03] <hobgoblin> anyway - as I said - I'm off now
[18:04] <zkriesse> truepurple: Even when you "close" a program there might on occasion still be a background process or processes from said program running
[18:04] <zkriesse> Naturally because they're in the background you can't just click "Close"
[18:04] <truepurple> I would try to kill something in system monitor, but I dont see anything obvious to kill
[18:04] <zkriesse> Yeah see that's the first tatic you can take
[18:04] <zkriesse> But like you say, nothing obvious
[18:05] <zkriesse> Now, you can do a grep search from terminal and then kill it and that should be the end of it...if that fails (I.E. it comes up with nothing related to said program) then we'd have to try and figure something out
[18:05] <truepurple> nautilus is runninh and using 96% of my cpu?!
[18:05] <zkriesse> Lemme grab my cheat sheet for aux grep etc...moment plz
[18:05] <zkriesse> Nautilus is a bugger
[18:06] <truepurple> should I force close it?
[18:06] <zkriesse> You can try, or you could do a system shut down and then reboot to see if that helps first...
[18:06] <zkriesse> I'd recommend that first before you start killing processes off like bad guys in a saloon
[18:07] <truepurple> another is npviewer at 52%, hey that is more then 100%, how is that possible
[18:07] <hobgoblin> try killall nautilus - it'd restart automatically
[18:07] <hobgoblin> now I'm really off lol
[18:07] <truepurple> what is wrong with killing processes? That is what shut down does anyway
[18:09] <zkriesse> Well there's nothing wrong perce, just in my opinion I recommend a shutdown first because that way they get shut down in an orderly fashion, instead of random with the possibility of crashing other system resources etc
[18:10] <truepurple> crashinh other system resources could cause damage zkriesse ?
[18:10] <zkriesse> Not saying it wil but i've had weirder things happen :P
[18:10] <zkriesse> Sorry if I get you confused, i'm coming off a cold here so my brain is still a bit wacked
[18:11] <truepurple> but how can I directly shutdown the after effects of this handbreak program zkriesse
[18:13] <zkriesse> lemme research a sec
[18:18] <zkriesse> Ok so you're using that video transcoder thingy?
[18:18] <truepurple> i used it
[18:19] <truepurple> trying to fix the index on a program
[18:19] <zkriesse> Ok
[18:19] <zkriesse> And now your system is doing what exactly
[18:19] <truepurple> zkriesse, But I shut it down some time ago
[18:19] <truepurple> nautilus is all locked up
[18:20] <zkriesse> ah ok
[18:20] <zkriesse> You could try just killing nautilus then like hobgoblin suggested
[18:20] <truepurple> its using a crazy amount of cpu usage ( how can one program use 96% cpu, and another 52%?)
[18:21] <truepurple> how can there be 148% cpu usage?
[18:21] <zkriesse> ouch
[18:21] <zkriesse> yeah, kill it
[18:21] <truepurple> that was a actual question
[18:21] <zkriesse> Something is totally off...that shouldn't be happening
[18:21] <zkriesse> I have no idea to be honest
[18:21] <truepurple> there was also strange blank popups
[18:22] <zkriesse> ?
[18:24] <truepurple> That question is too vague to answer
[18:25] <zkriesse> I meant surprise man
[18:25] <zkriesse> That is just really odd
[18:27] <truepurple> well this handbreak program seems too buggy
[18:27] <truepurple> you don't know of a better way to fix video indexing?
[18:28] <zkriesse> Nope sorry :(
[18:28] <sluckxz> avidemux works pretty slick not sure about indexing and doesnt work great with x264.  awesome for muxing.
[18:29] <truepurple> what is x264, and what is muxing sluckxz
[18:29] <truepurple> and what is avidemux for?
[18:33] <sluckxz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avidemux
[18:33] <sluckxz> video editing.
[18:35] <truepurple> sluckxz, sorry, I don't understand most of that, please put it in simpler language what all that is
[18:35] <sluckxz> what language do you prefer?
[18:35] <truepurple> what is x264, and what is muxing
[18:36] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC
[18:38] <deper29> hey guys, wondering if you could help me a bit here. I am having a hard time getting sound from HDMI set up in 10.04. I have an Nvidia GTX 550 Ti card
[18:39] <deper29> I found this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1668737 but it isn't working for me :/
[18:40] <truepurple> what is x264, and what is muxing sluckxz
[18:42] <sluckxz> truepurple: you will have to read that on your own or find someone else to read it to you i am not willing to do that for you. bioterror gave a link to 264 info and here is one on multiplexing. http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/term.cfm/multiplexing
[18:44] <truepurple> Well this does not seem to have alot of bearing on fixing those video indexings
[18:45] <sluckxz> deper29: did aplay -l show an hdmi device?
[18:46] <deper29> no, just a usb sound device and my sound card
[18:47] <deper29> i don't want to go through sound card at this instant in time, just because i haven't set up house properly yet, and am running through tv speakers
[18:48] <sluckxz> you have to have the nvidia proprietary drivers installed to get hdmi audio.
[18:48] <sluckxz> System -> Administration -> Additional Drivers  did you do that?
[18:49] <deper29> says it's activated
[18:49] <sluckxz> whats your cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version output?\
[18:52] <sluckxz> this guy got the correct driver working in 10.10 http://bpowers.org/?p=10  with a little work around to get more current
[18:53] <deper29> NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  285.05.09  Fri Sep 23 17:31:57 PDT 2011
[18:53] <deper29> GCC version:  gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5)
[18:55] <deper29> so you think I should add that repository then?
[18:56] <deper29> because my version seems newer than that guy's
[18:58] <sluckxz> hope you can get dmesg | grep -i hdmi or aplay -l to list some hdmi audio devices.  seems like a driver / hardware issue to me.  so no i wouldnt try to find anything older but i might try anything newer.
[19:00] <sluckxz> If you do not see a nvidia sound device you need to upgrade to a properly patched alsa 1.0.23 or 2.6.35+ kernel
[19:00] <sluckxz> very end of step one. in that article.
[19:01] <deper29> my kernel is 2.6.32-35-generic
[19:01] <sluckxz> if it seems you have the correct driver and you do and you do not see hdmi audio hardware listed patch alsa and kernel.  lol  sorry man.
[19:02] <deper29> that's okay
[19:02] <deper29> thanks for trying :)
[19:02] <sluckxz> go for it!  patch it and compile a kernel!
[19:02] <sluckxz> or just upgrade i suppose.  bummer thats a bit of a tough one.
[19:03] <sluckxz> im running 11.10 and hdmi audio works slick out of the box.
[19:04] <sluckxz> it looks to me you only have to do one or the other.
[19:04] <sluckxz> upgraded kernel or.. patch alsa
[19:05] <sluckxz> i patched alsa once before in slackware i think and it wasnt that horrible.  i found a great tutorial on patching alsa
[19:05] <deper29> I don't know how to patch that stuff lol
[19:05] <deper29> time for some more googling and reading I guess
[19:06] <deper29> might as well learn :P
[19:06] <sluckxz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules  looks pretty doable not to tough.
[19:07] <sluckxz> looks pre compiled in that link.  just bleeding edge apparently.
[19:08] <sluckxz> great attitude deper29
[19:09] <deper29> E: Couldn't find package linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-35-generic
[19:09] <truepurple> Can anyone please help me fix indexing for mkv files?
[19:09] <deper29> that isn't sarcasm is it?
[19:09] <sluckxz> no way.
[19:09] <deper29> lol, cool :P
[19:10] <deper29> thanks
[19:10] <sluckxz> thats how i learn.  i either keep trying or give up.
[19:10] <deper29> lol
[19:10] <deper29> it's the best way
[19:10] <sluckxz> its awesome to 'grok' things.
[19:10] <deper29> I don't like giving up though
[19:13] <sluckxz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[19:14] <deper29> ooooh :D
[19:14] <deper29> you're a wonderful human being
[19:14] <sluckxz> brad figg compiled drivers and uploaded 2011-10-6 2.6.32-34.201110061437
[19:14] <deper29> wait
[19:14] <deper29> I see the 35 in there
[19:14] <sluckxz> .35-30
[19:15] <sluckxz> or 32.34
[19:15] <deper29> oh, i see
[19:16] <sluckxz> looks like you got some choices to make regarding the kernel or compiling yourself.
[19:16] <deper29> yes :/
[19:16] <deper29> hold on, I am going to boot into a 32-34 kernel
[19:17] <sluckxz> truepurple: whats the problem with your mkv?
[19:20] <truepurple> sluckxz, the indexing on many a video file I have is broken so I can not fast-forward or rewind them
[19:24] <sluckxz> deper29: there are ppas for .37 and .38 kernels!
[19:24] <truepurple> sluckxz, so can you help
[19:24] <sluckxz> not sure truepurple what video player do you use?
[19:25] <sluckxz> im encoding an mkv right now.  i dont have any issues ff rw using xbmc with my mkv's
[19:26] <truepurple> Totem and vlc, but it doesnt matter, the ones with the bad index have trouble fastforwarding and rewinding, and the ones that have fine indexs, don't have trouble
[19:26] <truepurple> what is xbmc, a player?
[19:27] <sluckxz> yes.  media center.
[19:27] <sluckxz> http://meteorite.sourceforge.net/download.php
[19:31] <deper29> sluckxz: I am in 34, no dice
[19:31] <deper29> doesn't list my stuff for some reason
[19:32] <sluckxz> and you upgraded alsa?
[19:32] <sluckxz> you might need to reinstall the driver as well becuase of the kernel change
[19:32] <deper29> I did
[19:32] <truepurple> sluckxz, I am told that the meteor program is not that good, is there a better way?
[19:32] <deper29> how do I do that?
[19:34] <sluckxz> deper29: there are ppa repos for .37 and .38 kernels as well.  apparently there is more support in newer kernels without needing to patch alsa.
[19:34] <deper29> how do i update my kernel? or do I have to download source and compile?
[19:35] <sluckxz> http://ubuntuguide.net/install-latest-kernel-2-6-37-2-6-38-in-ubuntu-10-04-from-ppa
[19:36] <deper29> i'll give 38 a shot
[19:36] <deper29> thanks :)
[19:36] <Fanshawe> Hey all. In Open Office calc, how to I sum an entire column?
[19:36] <Fanshawe> =sum(column:column) gives a #NAME? error
[19:36] <deper29> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.38-1-generi
[19:37] <deper29> *E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.38-1-generic
[19:38] <deper29> went with 37 :P
[19:44] <deper29> sluckxz: I booted with the 38
[19:44] <deper29> now what am I to do?
[19:44] <sluckxz> http://ubuntuguide.net/install-latest-kernel-2-6-37-2-6-38-in-ubuntu-10-04-from-ppa
[19:44] <sluckxz> #7
[19:46] <sluckxz> then hopefully you will get hdmi devices in aplay -l
[19:46] <deper29> yay!
[19:46] <deper29> I did
[19:46] <sluckxz> YAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!
[19:47] <sluckxz> thats bloody awesome.  good job.
[19:47] <deper29> thanks for the help on that :)
[19:47] <sluckxz> cheers
[19:47] <deper29> so now do I just follow the rest of that guide then?
[19:48] <sluckxz> i would.
[19:48] <sluckxz> you might just try it now anyway.  at least your hardware is loaded properly.
[19:49] <deper29> when I do grep eld_valid /proc/asound/NVidia/eld* I get
[19:49] <deper29> /proc/asound/NVidia/eld#0.0:eld_valid		1
[19:49] <deper29> /proc/asound/NVidia/eld#1.0:eld_valid		1
[19:49] <deper29> /proc/asound/NVidia/eld#2.0:eld_valid		0
[19:49] <deper29> /proc/asound/NVidia/eld#3.0:eld_valid		0
[19:49] <deper29> it says I should only have one with the 1
[19:49] <deper29> I tried, no audio yet
[19:50] <truepurple> sluckxz, can you help? Also I followed this http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Installing_XBMC_for_Linux, but it isnt working
[19:52] <deper29> gah,I have to take off unfortunately. I will finish later. thanks again, sluckxz :)
[19:52] <deper29> away /lunch
[19:53] <deper29> fail
[19:53] <sluckxz> deper29: i wouldnt worry to much about the 1's id just pick one and keep going lso it appears aplay has some nice options for probing.
[19:53] <sluckxz> cheers!
[19:53] <sluckxz> truepurple: what version of linux are you running?
[19:55] <truepurple> 11.04
[19:55] <sluckxz> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_on_Ubuntu
[19:58] <sluckxz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1766855 XBMC on UBUNTU 11.04 May 24th, 2011
[19:58] <sluckxz> you may have to use unstable apparently.
[20:06] <truepurple> I messed up synaptic somehow, it says "E: Malformed line 63 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)
[20:06] <truepurple> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[20:06] <truepurple> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[20:06] <truepurple> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[20:06] <truepurple> But how am I suppose to fix this issue, if I can't get into synaptic in the first place?
[20:08] <truepurple> sluckxz,
[20:08] <sluckxz> fix the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:09] <sluckxz> look around line 63
[20:09] <sluckxz> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/configuration.html
[20:14] <sluckxz> http://forum.serviio.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3267
[20:14] <sluckxz> that thread suggested that using mkvtoolnix 3.4 or greater repaired some mks ff capability simply by opening and resaving the mkv.  didnt work for everyone.
[20:16] <sskalnik> How might I discover which package installed a given file?
[20:20] <truepurple> sluckxz, so if I used the first install instructions, it will give me 3.4 or better?
[20:21] <sluckxz> sskalnik: dpkg -S filename maybe?
[20:21] <sluckxz> what instructions truepurple
[20:22] <truepurple>  http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_on_Ubuntu
[20:22] <sluckxz> im not so sure a new video player will help with ff or rewind if vlc cant do it.
[20:24] <truepurple> sluckxz, so how can I fix this index thing?
[20:25] <sluckxz> well recoding is probly the surest way unfortunately.
[20:26] <sluckxz> again some people had some luck with mkvtoolnix.
[20:26] <sskalnik> Er, I mean for a file that isn't on the system.
[20:26] <sskalnik> dpkg -S only finds stuff I already have installed.
[20:27] <sskalnik> It may help if I elaborate; perhaps there is a better approach to my issue that I have not thought of as yet
[20:30] <sskalnik> I'm trying to perform an unattended install using a preseed file. I need a software RAID 1 between two drives, split into five partitions for /, /usr, /home, etc. Everything goes smoothly until partway into the partitioning. When I drop to the second terminal, I get this all throughout the syslog:
[20:30] <sskalnik> "can't open /var/lib/partman/outfifo: no such file"
[20:39] <truepurple> sluckxz, also it seems my previous attempts at installing xbmc have left some garbage files that dont work in my repository, could there be other such residue files too? if so, how do I clear em out?
[20:47] <sluckxz> there should be info in dpkg.log truepurple.  i have never been satisifed with my knowledge of removing and purging files with apt based distros.
[20:48] <sluckxz> sorry sskalnik i have no idea.  see lots of bugs googling partman/outfifo even recent bugs in debian and ubuntu
[21:01] <sskalnik> sluckxz, thanks though
[21:05] <sluckxz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-base/+bug/569900/comments/2
[21:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 569900 in partman-base "partman sometimes creates partitions such that there is ambiguity between whether the superblock is on the disk device or the partition device" [High,Fix released]
[21:17] <sskalnik> hrm
[21:38] <truepurple> sluckxz, so any more thoughts on how to get around this broken index video issue?
[21:57] <sluckxz> i cant think of any easy/fast fixes for messed up mkv's.  i would try out mkvtoolnix as a second to last resort before recoding entirely.
[23:13] <bobweaver> Hi there I have a question that is geared around making a .deb
[23:13] <bobweaver> I guess the real question is can I have the script call to the .fw to mv them to /lib/firmware/ well the .deb is still there. kinda confusing sorry. I will sart over again 1) build script that installed b43 ect 2) add script to build folder with icon and .desktop and test.txt 3) make tar 4) put tar in folder 5) run db_make 6 ) get rid of old tar and go into new debian folder and work on config and what not rules beeing the most
[23:13] <bobweaver> important. this is the part that I am confused about. if the firmare is in the package can I tell it under rulles to put in /lib/firmware/ or do I make so it makes new folder that then script (.desktop) then calles to that folder and then mvs all the stuff. I guess I have never had a .deb package that works that way or that I have seen. so I guess the real question is how to get the firmware files to the /lib/firmware/ for the end user.
[23:13] <bobweaver>  thanks so much for your time and reading this :>)
[23:14] <bobweaver> ops that is question 2 not one here is the start
[23:14] <bobweaver> Hi there I am makeing a .deb file for the b43 and b43 legacy drivers and firmware. this is the 1st time that I have made a .deb package. I want to store the firmware in the packge but how to call for the firmware to be moved to /lib/firmware in the script if the .fw files are in the .deb package ?
[23:28] <sluckxz> http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-11.04/ubuntu-multiverse-i386/prism2-usb-firmware-installer_0.2.9+dfsg-4_i386.deb.html#files
[23:28] <sluckxz> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/firmware-bnx2/download
[23:29] <sluckxz> both seem to have the firmware in the lib/firmware already.
[23:35] <bobweaver> The point is is that I want to become a deveolper. and yes they might have some firmware for lenny and i386  but I am taking this time to learn how to make .deb and how to help out more areound the block so to say
[23:36] <bobweaver> so I guess that it is not really about the package but more about the knowledge
[23:36] <sluckxz> my point is apparently it is common to have the firmware in the path.
[23:36] <sluckxz> there is an ubuntu beginner dev channel somewhere.  last i was there they were helpful and friendly.
[23:36] <bobweaver> ah cool
[23:37] <bobweaver> cool
[23:37] <bobweaver> will look for it thanks sluckxz you are aawesome ! :>)
[23:37] <sluckxz> cheers
[23:37]  * bobweaver high 5s sluckxz
[23:37] <sluckxz> fist bump
[23:38] <bobweaver> *0*


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[06:48] <cypherdelic> what about a trytool that sets "nvclock -S 0-100" thats the only way to switch saturation for my sony vaio fe31z (7600go)
[06:48] <cypherdelic> traytool
[07:09] <cypherdelic> Kids dont do Gates!