[00:02] <Amaranth> seb128: whoa, never knew about bzr bd-do, that's awesome
[00:08] <TheMuso> Me either, sounds very useful.
[00:30] <desrt> robert_ancell: i wonder if you know about this error i'm getting
[00:31] <desrt> disregard.  i'm dumb.
[00:31] <desrt> was entirely related to the bad wifi we had :)
[00:32] <robert_ancell> desrt, curious
[00:50] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, do I need anything in /usr/local ? i think it's causing program issues
[00:51] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, ?
[00:52] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, i've built from source, i had it install in /usr/local .. i see other things and don't remember if i need anything from there (or can i delete it)
[00:52] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, built what?
[00:53] <bcurtiswx> im keeping in general terms, i've built packages from source (telepathy-gabble for example)
[00:56] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, I just crashed before - did you send me something before "robert_ancell, do I need anything in /usr/local ? i think it's causing program issues"
[00:56] <bcurtiswx>  robert_ancell, i've built from source, i had it install in /usr/local .. i see other things and don't remember if i need anything from there (or can i delete it)
[00:57] <bcurtiswx> im keeping in general terms, i've built packages from source (telepathy-gabble for example)
[00:58] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, oh, do you mean, "If I delete /usr/local will that kill anything required by Ubuntu?"
[00:58] <bcurtiswx> correct
[00:59] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, correct
[00:59] <robert_ancell> You should be able to.  I notice I've got some directories in /usr/local, I'm guessing they've come from me manually building something
[01:02] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, thx :)
[01:07] <RAOF> Hm.  I wonder if it'd be possible to shorten the skew between packages on archive.ubuntu.com and their corresponding -dbgsym packages on ddebs.
[01:16] <RAOF> Oh, well.  At least the compiz crash is easily reproducible :/.  Local build, ho!
[01:31] <TheMuso> RAOF: You'd think they would be published at the same time as the other packages, or within an hour or so.
[01:31] <RAOF> You might think that, yes.
[01:32] <RAOF> That might be the case, but I apparently almost always want to install dbgsym packages within an hour of publication on a.u.c :)
[01:38] <TheMuso> heh
[01:49] <RAOF> Man, no-one's reported this bug yet?  Win!
[02:35] <TheMuso> RAOF: heh
[03:26] <aroman> Can anyone think of what might be creating a "Desktop" folder in the $HOME of a liveCD user of ubuntu? XDG's defaults are set to not create that folder, and nautilus's gconf is set to not use the desktop folder. And curiously, when running `adduser`, the folder is _NOT_ created. It is only on the liveCD desktop user. Any ideas? :/
[03:27] <IanLiu> I'm trying to fix bitesize bugs from unity, but I'm in doubt on how to replace the current unity with my compiled one. Any help?
[03:27] <broder> aroman: the Desktop folder has never been created by adduser. it's usually something that's part of the login process, but i can't remember what component
[03:28] <aroman> broder: Well, adduser runs skel,and iirc ubiquity has some custom adduser stuff going on
[03:28] <RAOF> IanLiu: You can either build a package with your patch applied, or install your patched unity locally.
[03:28] <aroman> I mentioned that adduser worked as expected to confirm that it was a livecd only thing
[03:29] <RAOF> IanLiu: I'd suggest doing the former; if you install it locally, it will override the system-wide one and so you won't get packaged updates.  I had that happen for a while, and was wondering where all the new features other people were talking about were :)
[03:30] <IanLiu> RAOF: so, say I install it on /usr/local, I can replace the running unity with "/usr/local/unity --replace" ?
[03:31] <RAOF> IanLiu: No; unity is a compiz plugin, so you need to put it somewhere compiz will look at.
[03:32] <RAOF> IanLiu: That's either /usr/lib/compiz/ or ~/.compiz-1/(plugins?).  The local-install target of unity's buildsystem will do the latter.
[03:32] <IanLiu> RAOF: I see. I will follow your hint and build the package ;-)
[03:34] <IanLiu> RAOF: so, after installing my patched package, will I need to restart X so my new unity is loaded?
[03:34] <RAOF> You could do that.  You could also just run “compiz --replace”, or “unity” (which essentially just runs compiz --replace for you)
[03:35] <IanLiu> RAOF: ahh, nice!
[03:36] <IanLiu> RAOF: last question for today ;-) How can I see my debugging messages? I'm writting some g_warning in unity source so I can understand what is happening, but I'm not sure how I will be able to read them
[03:36] <RAOF> If you run “compiz --replace” (again, or unity) in the terminal, that's where the output will go, too :)
[03:37] <IanLiu> RAOF: Perfect. Thanks for your help!
[07:25] <dpm> good morning all
[07:42] <pitti> Good morning
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:07] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:13] <pitti> I'm fine, thanks!
[08:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: got woken up early again?
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah ;)
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> i have a really sore neck this morning
[09:15] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:18] <bryceh> seb128, heya
[09:18] <seb128> hey bryceh, how are you?
[09:18] <pitti> hey seb128, bonjour
[09:18] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:19] <bryceh> seb128, doing good, you?
[09:20] <RAOF> Aloha pitti, bryceh, seb128!
[09:20] <bryceh> just finished reading latest dead horse flogging on planet
[09:20] <pitti> hey RAOF, good evening!
[09:20] <pitti> oh, new xorg fun landing
[09:21] <RAOF> You're well, I trust?
[09:21] <seb128> bryceh, I'm fine, playing with the new unity ;-)
[09:21] <seb128> hey RAOF
[09:21] <RAOF> Pay no mind to the new xorg stuff :)
[09:21] <seb128> I didn't notice much change, out of having recently used applications listed
[09:21] <RAOF> seb128: Does the dash work for you?
[09:21] <seb128> yes
[09:22] <seb128> well I didn't use it, but it displays it's icons
[09:22] <seb128> waouh, new alt-f2 rocks
[09:22] <RAOF> Hm.  Maybe it's a local problem then; for me it segfaults compiz reliably.
[09:22] <seb128> it displays only one line now!
[09:22] <seb128> not the dash screen
[09:22] <bryceh> the menu seems a lot more usable than last time I used it
[09:22] <seb128> then it get icons as you type, pretty nice
[09:22] <seb128> RAOF, do you have a stacktrace?
[09:23] <bryceh> still needs some polish
[09:23] <RAOF> Yeah.  It's on the unity bug I filed.
[09:23] <RAOF> Let me hunt that down...
[09:24] <RAOF> seb128: bug #737287
[09:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 737287 in unity "Compiz crashes with SIGSEGV in nux::GraphicsDisplay::GrabPointer when opening the Dash" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737287
[09:24] <seb128> njpatel, ^known issue?
[09:24] <RAOF> Doesn't seem to happen on my i386 install, though.
[09:25] <njpatel> seb128, nope :/
[09:25] <njpatel> Will get jason to look at it today
[09:25] <seb128> njpatel, thanks
[09:25] <seb128> we are out of retracers btw
[09:25] <RAOF> I wasn't aware they wore out :)
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, I did uncommit and revert the commit you pointed yesterday in the i386 retracer, no dime
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: :( it was a guess
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: good to have Alt menu keys back
[09:27] <pitti> not that they would actually _work_, but at least they are being displayed now when pressing alt :)
[09:27] <seb128> RAOF, they broke yesterday, they have an uncommon setup and didn't like the recent libstd changes in natty
[09:27] <bryceh> pitti, btw thanks for the apport dupe sig!  I haven't implemented it yet but plan to soon
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, oh, I didn't even notice, I never user menus
[09:27] <pitti> bryceh: :) I think I'll also blog about it
[09:27] <bryceh> good idea
[09:28] <seb128> is launchpad working for others?
[09:28] <seb128> it's still spinning on RAOF's bug there but not loading it
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: ah, it only doesn't work in terminals, but in other programs (except firefox)
[09:29] <pitti> but that nicely solves the focus-follows-mouse problem
[09:31] <pitti> and mumble is back in the panel \o/
[09:32] <seb128> bah
[09:32] <seb128> u1 didn't stop spamming though
[09:32] <seb128> that's annoying
[09:32] <pitti> how do you mean?
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, notify-osd bubbles telling that the connection to the server was dropped
[09:34] <seb128> then sometimes restored
[09:34] <seb128> but I get like a bubble every minute
[09:34] <seb128> it's from the sync service
[09:34] <dpm> yeah, I get that too
[09:35] <dpm> hi, could someone change bug 514401 back to Triaged? It was marked as Fix Released manually by mistake
[09:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 514401 in checkbox "Translations are not loaded for the test descriptions in Checkbox" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/514401
[09:36] <seb128> I can't, launchpad refuses to load any bug page for me
[09:37] <dpm> no worries, thanks seb128. Anyone else with permissions to change bug status on src packages?
[09:37] <vish> dpm: checkbox(ubuntu) right? done..
[09:38] <dpm> awesome, thanks vish
[09:38] <vish> np.. :)
[10:46] <seb128> pitti, do you work on the retracers issue or not? I can have a look if you don't, though I'm not sure what to do or check next
[10:47] <pitti> seb128: not right now, currently figuring out an input_id failure; I can look at it later on, though
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, ok, I will let it for you then
[10:48] <seb128> pitti, if you think you will not get to it let me know in the middle of the afternoon, I will give it a try
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: ok, thanks
[10:48] <seb128> thanks
[10:48] <pitti> ah, I also need to prepare release meeting
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: so if you want to try now..
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: I think it might be safer to copy the auth file into the chroot instead of symlinking it
[10:49] <seb128> pitti, do you have any suggestion on where to start?
[10:49] <seb128> I will try to manually log in an do a retrace by hand
[10:49] <pitti> that should be a relatively easy patch in apport-chroot
[10:49] <seb128> just to say
[10:49] <seb128> see
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: the place you reverted yesterday -- i. e. where it currently calls os.symlink on the auth file, you could try a shutil.copy()
[10:50] <seb128> pitti, let me try by hand in the chroot with a symlink and with a file copy
[10:50] <seb128> just to see how that goes
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: calling apport-chroot --auth to log in worked for me yesterday
[10:50] <seb128> it did?
[10:50] <seb128> hum
[10:50] <pitti> yes
[10:50] <seb128> how is the retracing job different?
[10:50] <pitti> just not with the crash-digger
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: I don't know really :/
[10:50] <seb128> oh
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: the symlinking is actually a bit of a hack, as it points "out of" the fakechroot
[10:51] <pitti> I'm not actually sure why I did that in the first place
[10:52] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks, I've enough pointers to have a look I think, I will let you know how it goes
[10:52]  * pitti hugs seb128, good luck!
[10:53] <pitti> seb128: btw, the debugging code is still in chroots/natty (for amd64)
[10:53] <pitti> apport-retrace will print the path and contents of its --auth argument
[10:53]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[10:53] <seb128> pitti, ok
[11:19] <seb128> is launchpad slow slow slow for others as well today?
[11:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, seems a bt slower for me, yes
[11:20] <soren> No, just slow slow.
[11:20] <pitti> seb128: seems fairly normal to me
[11:20] <seb128> ok
[11:20] <seb128> it takes me like 3 tries and 15 seconds of waiting to load a bug
[11:20] <seb128> where usually it's a few seconds
[11:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: ping
[11:30] <pitti> hello Sweetshark
[12:16] <kamstrup> dpm: the giraffe bug has been fixed :-D
[12:17] <dpm> kamstrup, \o/ thanks a lot!
[12:18] <kamstrup> dpm: and i may have nice surprise for you in an hour or so... maybe... i hope so at least...
[12:18]  * dpm likes surprises
[12:19] <dpm> excellent
[12:36] <kamstrup> dpm: sorry, have to let you down :-/ I thought I had figured out how to make nice gtk-doc from Vala, but, well, it "works" but it's definitely *not* a pretty sight :-)
[12:36] <kamstrup> dpm: so still giraffe it is
[12:38] <dpm> kamstrup, no worries, you're still on my hero of the day list, nevertheless :)
[13:19] <mterry> aha!  take that, eclipse menus!
[13:21] <seb128> mterry, oh, you got those to work?
[13:21] <seb128> mterry, hey btw ;-)
[13:21] <mterry> seb128, I got them to mostly work.  Which is 80% of the battle
[13:22] <seb128> mterry, is that application side or indicator side?
[13:22] <seb128> (just curious)
[13:23] <mterry> seb128, indicator side.  We have this trick we do where we fake an activation on toplevel menu items because some apps lazily calculate menus based on activation signals.  But eclipse was actually lazily calculating menus on *show* signals.  So faking a show gets the menus to appear
[13:24] <mterry> But now it seems there are other issues with toplevel entries coming and going
[13:24] <seb128> oh ok
[13:24] <seb128> seems you got the bottom of it and are back to  "standard" menu updates issues ;-)
[13:24] <mterry> :)
[13:25]  * mterry never wants to have to figure out eclipse code again.  It's so big and fragmented
[13:42]  * bcurtiswx_ waves to room and takes more aspirin for this migraine :(
[13:51] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, are the current patches for empathy in natty GTK3 compatible ?
[13:52] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_, not sure
[13:52] <kenvandine> i hope so :)
[13:53] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, im building <IP_ADDRESS> for GNOME3 PPA but it's just from source.  I plan on bringing over the patches from current natty and trying to get them to push OK and hope empathy doesn't complain about GTK3 and GTK2 being in the same codebase
[13:55] <bcurtiswx_> wow, i haven't tried building on natty yet until now.  holy cow thats much faster
[13:58] <bcurtiswx_> i've always built natty packages with pbuilder on a maverick machine
[14:03] <pitti> dbarth__, seb128: just showed unity to my wife; she really liked it! I need to install natty on her laptop now :)
[14:06] <seb128_> pitti, great
[14:06] <seb128_> ok, so so launchpad issues was on my side, restarting the modem solved it
[14:09] <seb128> pitti, is the rt meeting one hour early or is my calendar off?
[14:10] <pitti> seb128: it's early, as the US is already on DST
[14:10] <seb128> ok
[14:10] <seb128> so it's not sitcked on an UTC time
[14:11] <seb128> sticked
[14:12] <seb128> pitti, so doing a shutils.copy doesn't solve the retracer issue
[14:12] <seb128> pitti, do you know why you debug modif don't show in a bzr diff btw?
[14:12] <pitti> seb128: it's not in a bzr branch, I only made it in the installed files in the fakechroot tarball
[14:12] <seb128> oh ok
[14:13] <seb128> stil doing the no such file or directory
[14:13] <pitti> crap
[14:13] <seb128> I don't get why the auth file is working in a manual logging though
[14:13] <pitti> seb128: does the debug info show "/tmp/auth" now instead of /tmp/tmpdir/tmp/auth? and still no file contents?
[14:13] <seb128> or what is different between those
[14:13] <seb128> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/tmpBET1Mu/tmp/auth'
[14:14] <seb128> pitti, no
[14:14] <pitti> ah, so perhaps it's not the link itself, but the --auth argument is passed wrongly
[14:14] <pitti> while we had the link, cat'ing it in the shell worked fine
[14:15] <pitti> seb128: hang on
[14:16] <pitti> seb128: the symlinking is done in two paces, in command_retrace() and command_login(); I think back then I only patched command_login()
[14:16] <pitti> _that_ would explain the difference!
[14:16] <seb128> pitti, let me try that
[14:16] <pitti> seb128: I bet if command_retrace will also use the abspath() thing, it'll work
[14:16] <pitti> bah, silly me
[14:17] <pitti> hm, no didrocks today?
[14:18] <pitti> mterry: should we postpone the quickly bits to o? seems this is still blocked on LP?
[14:18] <seb128> pitti, he's having a day off today
[14:18] <pitti> (well deserved)
[14:19] <mterry> pitti, oh yeah, it's unlikely they'll add the bits to LP in time for me to react to it
[14:19] <mterry> i'll postpone
[14:19] <pitti> mterry: ok, thanks; so at the start of oneiric we should the re-target the entire spec
[14:19] <pitti> and change the POSTPONED into TODO again
[14:21] <seb128> pitti, the command_retrace() thing, should that be patched in the checkout or in the tar.gz?
[14:21] <pitti> seb128: in the checkout
[14:21] <seb128> pitti, ok, so doesn't work
[14:22] <pitti> seb128: apport-chroot is run "outside" and is the thing that unpacks the chroot tarball and runs stuff in int
[14:22] <pitti> 'it'
[14:22] <dbarth__> pitti: :) sweet
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: hm, looking at your diff now, looks correct
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: does that one work with copy?
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: conversely, does the copy one work for login?
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: ah
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: ignore me
[14:24] <pitti> seb128: try replacing
[14:24] <pitti> apport_retrace_argv += ['--auth', chroot_auth]
[14:24] <pitti> with
[14:24] <seb128> pitti, trying with shutils.copy
[14:24] <pitti> apport_retrace_argv += ['--auth', '/tmp/auth']
[14:24] <pitti> chroot_auth is the full "outside" path
[14:24] <pitti> (the abspath change is still correct, though)
[14:25] <pitti> I guess it was a mere coincidence that this worked under lucid
[14:26] <seb128> pitti, it's weird that those behaviour changed with the distro version
[14:27] <pitti> seb128: I guess it was fixed in fakechroot
[14:27] <pitti> a path like /tmp/tmp2304823432/tmp/auth isn't actually supposed to be valid within the fakechroot
[14:28] <pitti> it's just /tmp/auth there
[14:30] <pitti> rodrigo_: note that you seem to have forgotten the patch attachment in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644560
[14:31] <ubot2> Gnome bug 644560 in Gal "Can't set an account password" [Normal,Needinfo]
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[14:31] <seb128> ---- apport-retrace auth file:  /tmp/auth
[14:31] <seb128> it's retracing!
[14:31] <pitti> yippie
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, can you commit to trunk?
[14:31] <seb128> so I just have to bzr pull
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: that's in the Ubuntu branch only; will do, thanks for testing!
[14:31] <seb128> yw
[14:31] <seb128> hum, it crashed
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: does it also work with symlink?
[14:32] <pitti> (it ought to)
[14:32] <seb128>     self.duplicate_db = dbapi2.connect(path, timeout=7200)
[14:32] <seb128> sqlite3.OperationalError: unable to open database file
[14:32] <seb128> pitti, I guess you need the same fix for             apport_retrace_argv += ['--duplicate-db', chroot_dupdb]
[14:33] <pitti> seb128: yep, committing
[14:34] <pitti> seb128: give me a sec to commit, push, pull, and clean up
[14:36] <pitti> seb128: ok, pulled into both apport-retracer-*/apport branches
[14:36] <pitti> seb128: mind to restart and check?
[14:36] <rodrigo_> pitti, no, just that I discussed it with upstream and the fix was a bit more complicated, so working on it
[14:36] <seb128> pitti, trying
[14:37] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, ok; the comment said "Attaching a fix.."
[14:37] <pitti> seb128: (sorry, need to finish the release team prep; spent too much time on fixing input_id :/)
[14:37] <seb128> pitti, nothing to be sorry about, thanks for spending time on that
[14:37] <seb128> ---- apport-retrace auth file:  /tmp/auth
[14:37] <seb128> pitti, so it's starting retracing
[14:38] <seb128> let's see if the db thing is fixed as well
[14:38] <seb128> Duplicate check negative
[14:38] <seb128> New attachments uploaded to crash database #737294
[14:38] <seb128> \o/
[14:38] <seb128> pitti, thanks a lot
[14:38] <pitti> yippie
[14:38] <seb128> let me update the other one and remove the locks
[14:39] <pitti> seb128: I already updated bzr; you migh tneed to dist-upgrade the fakechroot
[14:39] <pitti> (althuogh that should happen automatically)
[14:39] <seb128> pitti, right that should happen
[14:39] <seb128> I will just be lazy, remove the lock and wait the next run
[14:39] <seb128> I will watch the log and debug if needed
[15:12] <bcurtiswx_> why don't we package telepathy-qt4? j/w
[15:13] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, you are welcome to work on that
[15:13] <seb128> pitti, retracer is retracing happily \o/
[15:13] <pitti> seb128: cool!
[15:14] <bcurtiswx_> since we don't package it, and it's just as easily sync'd, what needs to be done? just a sync request?
[15:16] <bcurtiswx_> i see it's in debian, but not since 0.3.8
[15:16] <bcurtiswx_> its 0.5.13 now
[15:17] <geser> bcurtiswx_: yes, a sync request should be enough but you need to check if you might also need a FFe (and that it builds in Ubuntu)
[15:18] <bcurtiswx_> geser, OK thx
[15:18] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, there is no new version in debian
[15:19] <seb128> http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/telepathy-qt4.html
[15:19] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, yes i saw that.  It's far behind the current version and it even says in there it sees a newer version
[15:20] <bcurtiswx_> but the newest isn't in debian
[15:20] <seb128> well ask on #telepathy I guess
[15:20] <seb128> is telepathy-qt used anywhere?
[15:20] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, lol i was already typing my message..
[15:24] <Riddell> bcurtiswx_: ?  we do package telepathy-qt4
[15:25] <bcurtiswx_> Riddell, not at the moment.  I'm on the telepathy mailing list and I get all their package updates.  Wondering really what telepathy-qt4 is and if it is worth even packaging.  My first assumption would be that since we don't package it now, it probably doesn't make a huge difference not having it
[15:30] <bcurtiswx_> is we don't need qt support for telepathy, then we don't need tp-qt4
[15:30] <bcurtiswx_> s/is/if
[15:32] <bcurtiswx_> oh gosh, nvm
[15:32] <bcurtiswx_> im gonna go hide in a corner for a little while
[15:46] <bcurtiswx_> for future reference, don't go trying to figure things out mentally when you have a migraine
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, something has changed in natty which breaks firefox builds
[15:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: multiarch?
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - micahg suggested that, but it doesn't look like a multiarch problem
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> i guess it could be though
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> i'm just looking at what packages to downgrade
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> but the build system looks totally screwed
[15:58] <rodrigo_> where are the daily isos for natty?
[15:59] <rodrigo_> ah, found it in firefox hstory!
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> ok, tested the actual rc2 build, and that fails too
[16:16] <chrisccoulson> :(
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> pitti / micahg - oh, it is multiarch related. downgrading eglibc fixes the firefox build
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> now to figure out why
[16:54] <Riddell> bcurtiswx: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-qt4 says we do package it
[16:54] <Riddell> bcurtiswx: we need it for the forthcoming telepathy-kde bits.   it could do with being updated to the latest version
[16:54] <Riddell> unfortunately there's no easy way to subscribe to new version notifications, it's just announced on their mailing lsit
[16:54] <Riddell> list
[17:29] <seb128> mterry, bug #735635 could be a bug in your ntp backport, well rather in the error handling code from it
[17:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735635 in gnome-settings-daemon "gsd-datetime-mechanism assert failure: *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-datetime-mechanism: double free or corruption (out): 0x00404c70 ***" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735635
[17:30] <seb128> the crash is in gsd_datetime_mechanism_set_using_ntp()  g_set_error()
[17:35] <mterry> seb128, looking
[17:38] <pitti> Sweetshark: I updated the oo.o -> libo stuff in language-selector now, FYI
[17:42] <Sweetshark> pitti: ah, cool
[17:42]  * Sweetshark currently merges 3.3.2-1 from debian
[17:42] <Sweetshark> ... and adds lpi integration again.
[17:43] <mterry> seb128, solved, thanks for letting me know.  stupid error on my part
[17:44] <Sweetshark> (basically completely rewritten that is)
[17:44] <seb128> mterry, thanks, I figured it was probably an easy one that's why I pinged ;-)
[17:53] <seb128> hum
[17:53] <seb128> bug #737651
[17:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 737651 in gdm "gdm fails to load /usr/bin/X after update to Xorg 1.10.0-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737651
[17:53] <seb128> bryceh, ^ it might be worth watching, not sure if that could be a breakage of today's update
[18:10] <pitti> good bye everyone, have a nice weekend!
[18:11] <seb128> pitti, thanks, you as well!
[19:02] <bryceh> seb128, thanks; seems to be an isolated report so far (and I haven't reproduced it myself), but will keep an eye out for dupes
[19:04] <bryceh> pitti, is there a way to do something like the dupe signature for bugs like 737453 and 737636?  Or else some way to get jockey/apt/apport to let the user know fglrx/nvidia isn't available if they upgrade while it's ABI broken?
[19:04] <bryceh> pitti, we get ~1-2 bugs a day like these, so it'd cut down on a goodly bit of bug noise
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, the firefox build failure is a make bug!
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> (because of multiarch)
[20:56] <bryceh> pitti, ok DuplicateSignature implemented in -intel gpu lockup apport hook... now to watch if it works :-)
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe how long it takes natty to boot on my laptop atm


[01:07] <haavaros> How do I make a shortcut in a folder in Xubuntu? I've tried adding a shortcut via context menu, this doesn't work
[01:16] <arthurjohnson> I've always opened terminal and made the link manually
[01:18] <haavaros> arthurjohnson: I found out that thunar is the window manager, so I added a shortcut with the command 'thunar /path/to/folder', that worked. How do you do it in terminal?
[02:11] <dankus> yoooo son
[02:11] <haavaros> why does update manager suggest gnome-relevant updates, and how do I disable it?
[03:46] <haavaros> Why does update manager suggest updates relevant to Gnome?
[03:54] <theillestphewl> isnt it either gnome or kde
[04:28] <icewolfca> Xubuntu is pretty nice
[04:29] <icewolfca> it runs relatively well on this athlon 1800
[05:41] <intok> I need an intel graphics Obiwan Kenobi / Jason Nesmith for help with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9227361#post9227361
[05:45] <hexdump_> hey all, does anyone remember how to get to trash from the command line?  I deleted a file by mistake and it's not showing up in the gui when I click on the trash bin.
[05:46] <hexdump_> nm I think someone helped me.
[07:06] <skarri> hello
[07:07] <skarri> I was wondering anyone here knew how to turn off tap to click?  I cannot find an option under mouse settings.
[07:07] <skarri> my xorg.conf is pretty much empty
[07:08] <skarri> I have an hp pavillion tx2500
[07:12] <skarri> any ideas folks?
[07:33] <homebrewcider> anybody else having problems with thunar since upgrading to 10.04?
[07:35] <skarri> nope
[07:35] <skarri> having trouble with my touchpad though
[07:35] <skarri> what kind of problems are you having?
[07:39] <homebrewcider> can't select file to open it
[07:58] <bkm_> Does somebody knows how to change the menu
[07:59] <bkm_> i am new in xubuntu
[08:02] <TheSheep> how would you like to change it?
[08:03] <bkm_> sometimes when i install a program there is no icon in the menu
[08:03] <bkm_> how can i change that?
[08:04] <bkm_> programs in the terminal have no icon i know
[08:05] <TheSheep> to appear in the menu, the programs should provide a <programname>.desktop file that goes either to /usr/share/applications/ (global) or ~/.local/share/applications (local)
[08:06] <TheSheep> the file tells what program to run, what is the name and the icon etc.
[08:06] <bkm_> ok i will figure this out
[08:06] <TheSheep> look at the existing .desktop files
[08:06] <TheSheep> best put your own files in the local directory
[08:07] <bkm_> i am also new in linux but i will learn it i hope
[08:07] <bkm_> i have an old laptop with xubuntu install know
[08:08] <bkm_> i know already how to change file rights
[08:08] <bkm_> and change owner
[08:18] <bkm_> thanks TheSheep i wil try to gather more info when i figured this out
[08:50] <x0083144> Morning anyone around?
[08:52] <x0083144> I just did a remote upgrade and now I got nothing
[08:52] <x0083144> looking for any input
[08:53] <x0083144> it's a dedicated server with OVH
[12:42] <Zac123> whats the difference with the new 10.04 xubuntu?:D
[12:43] <moetunes> boots quicker for one thing
[12:44] <Zac123> awesome
[12:44] <Zac123> !
[13:38] <choi> quit
[13:48] <choi> does anyone know how i can change the system-wide proxy?
[14:17] <choi> hi does anyone know how i can change system-wide proxy?
[14:40] <choi> quit
[14:51] <PrebenR> please, how can I add xsession to gdm? I want to be able to login using my .xsession, but there is not choice in the menu for this in Xubuntu 10.04
[14:52] <PrebenR> I get KDE, Xubutnu session ?, Xfce session and xterm. Why not xsession? My biggest problem is finding where you can set this up in etc
[15:24] <intok> Can anyone help me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9227361#post9227361
[15:26] <xubuntu269> hey if i create an user during install will it overwrite an existing home folder with this name??
[15:28] <charlie-tca> No guarantees, but it should not overwrite. I think it may overwrite the hidden user files, however, such as .bashrc, .profile, etc.
[15:50] <arthurjohnson> xubuntu269: You will have permissions probs most likely, but it won't overwrite your home dir
[15:58] <jfsdjjksdf> my newly installed system hangs on login screen and keyboard and mouse do not work. what te hell
[16:27] <jfsdjjksdf> how to fin d a file in xubuntu&
[16:29] <charlie-tca> jfsdjjksdf: find a file in xubuntu the same way as in Ubuntu, use 'find' in terminal
[16:30] <jfsdjjksdf> i don't want to use find in 2010, thanks
[16:30] <charlie-tca> use catfish, then, in Applications -> Accessories
[16:34] <jfsdjjksdf> what the heck catfish has to do with search?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> First, a little politeness goes a lot further than demands
[16:35] <charlie-tca> second, read 'man catfish' and find out
[16:37] <subspider> hi charlie-tca can you help me fixing my web cam??
[16:37] <charlie-tca> subspider: I can't even make my own web cam work
[16:37] <charlie-tca> !webcam
[16:38] <charlie-tca> oooo
[16:38] <charlie-tca> does it help?
[16:38] <subspider> maybe for me not
[16:38] <subspider> i just want to flip the image
[16:38]  * charlie-tca has not read it, didn't even know it was there
[16:38] <subspider> hahahahah
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Turn the monitor upside down, then
[16:39] <subspider> charlie-tca, take look then it have nice info
[16:39] <charlie-tca> I don't even have an image
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Thanks, I will look at it
[16:40] <jfsdjjksdf> first, catfish has no man page; second i still fail to see how one can guess what 'catfish' has to with file search
[16:41] <jfsdjjksdf> what image is used on menu button by default?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> strange. Catfish has a manpage here
[16:42] <charlie-tca> icons depend on the icon specified in the .desktop file
[16:42] <jfsdjjksdf> it is a stub for man page, because its hasn't required sections
[16:43] <jfsdjjksdf> no, a menu button on the panel use a certain pixmap which is defined by applet settings. which is it by default?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> It does tell you exactly what catfish is, read it
[16:43] <charlie-tca> so, are you just here to argue today?
[16:45] <jfsdjjksdf> i asked which image is used for application menu applet, and you instead just open it properties and say, telling me unrelated stuff about .desktop files
[16:46] <jfsdjjksdf> 'Xfce Menu' applet to be precise
 what image is used on menu button by default?
[16:46] <jfsdjjksdf> yes!
[16:46] <charlie-tca> Where does that say menu applet?
[16:46] <charlie-tca> the menu buttons use an icon as specified in the .desktop files.
[16:47] <subspider> charlie-tca, what is your camera model ??
[16:48] <charlie-tca> subspider: I don't know, something by logitech. I suppose I just haven't bothered with it much
[16:48] <subspider> but you have
[16:48] <subspider> charlie-tca, for logitech is diferent
[16:49] <charlie-tca> I plugged it in one day, and played a little bit, but I haven't really put any effort into making it work.
[16:49] <subspider> charlie-tca, http://www.quickcamteam.net/devices
[16:50] <charlie-tca> Thank you, subspider. I will check it out in a little bit. Following sabdfl in openweek right now.
[16:51] <subspider> what is that
[16:51] <subspider> ??
[16:51] <jfsdjjksdf> anyone in that channel can tell me which icon is used by 'xfce menu' applet by default in Xubuntu?
[16:51] <charlie-tca> subspider: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:05] <ochosi> for some reason nm-applet deactivates my network connection upon reboot, does anyone else have that problem?
[17:08] <ochosi> (xubuntu lucid)
[17:15] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I don't even have an nm-applet anymore
[17:15] <ochosi> hm
[17:15] <charlie-tca> It disappeared. I think it is because I use static ip's
[17:15] <ochosi> strange strange
[17:16] <ochosi> well, actually this bug just started to appear recently
[17:16] <ochosi> i don't really know what it could be connected to
[17:16] <ochosi> funny thing is it doesn't deactivate wireless, only general networking
[17:16] <charlie-tca> laptop? which card?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> huh?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> could it be avahi doing it?
[17:17] <ochosi> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG
[17:17] <ochosi> laptop
[17:17] <ochosi> possibly, never changed anything about avahi
[17:17] <ochosi> frankly i'm not using it
[17:17] <charlie-tca> It is default in lucid
[17:18] <ochosi> yeah, i guess it even was default in karmic and jaunty, no?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> no, it changed in 9.10 - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Avahi%20will%20always%20start%20even%20if%20a%20.local%20domain%20is%20present
[17:19] <charlie-tca> It is possible that is causing the issue
[17:21] <charlie-tca> I normally have to remove it just so I can connect. It steals my interfaces
[17:22] <ochosi> hm
[17:22] <ochosi> could be
[18:51] <lilleman> alrighty
[18:51] <lilleman> now my network is down again
[18:52] <lilleman> I have the line "auto eth0" in my /etc/network/interfaces
[18:52] <lilleman> when I run /etc/init.d/networking restart it says
[18:52] <lilleman> "Ignoring unkown interface eth0=eth0"
[18:54] <lilleman> and when I add the "iface inet et0 dhcp bla bla", then it works :)
[18:54] <lilleman> ideas? Yes? :)
[20:10] <DSLbug> hello
[20:11] <Arpad2> my browser cant connect to the net
[20:12] <Arpad2> although i typed sudo ppoeconf
[20:13] <moetunes> !pppoe
[20:13] <Arpad2> thx i did it
[20:13] <Arpad2> but its not enough
[20:13] <moetunes> k
[20:13] <Arpad2> in terminal i triggered the connection
[20:14] <Arpad2> and as a result it shows that really i have an ip address
[20:14] <Arpad2> the problem is nor opera neither firefox see it:(
[20:15] <Misio> I'm experiencing a very strange problem with thunar. When the detailed list view is enabled, it is possible to explore the first directory level only, the second one opens but it is unusable.
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Misio: yes, it is a bug that has been reported
[20:15] <Misio> oh
[20:16] <Arpad2> Misio: I have it too
[20:16] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/520118
[20:16] <Misio> When it has been introduced? Maybe into lucid?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> yes, lucid
[20:16] <Arpad2> i replaced thunar with other program
[20:17] <Misio> thank you charlie-tca
[20:17] <charlie-tca> I just use compact view now, and use ctrl+2 to switch to detail view when I really need it. Ctrl+3 switches back to compact view
[20:17] <Misio> I will use the compat list
[20:18] <Misio> hmmm I was entusiaxt about ubuntu but in lucid there are many things that doesn't work well
[20:23] <Misio> Seems to be a Gnome bug
[20:26] <Misio> Something related to gtk+2... funny... I'm fighting to reintroduce gtk+extra on universe :)
[20:28] <Misio> charlie-tca: thank you very much... see you next time :)
[20:45] <craigbass1976> Did I see a blurb somewhere about Thunar borking in Lucid?
[20:47] <Sysi> there have been problems after upgrading
[20:47] <Sysi> i think problems with usb drives can be fixed by installing hal
[20:50] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/520118
[20:53] <craigbass1976> Sysi, nope, just browsing my local hard drive; actually right in /home/me/
[20:55] <craigbass1976> Ahhh.  Just get out of detailed view and I'm in.  Close enough for government work.  Could be worse, right?  Could be Windows 7...
[20:56] <xubuntu719> q
[20:56] <xubuntu719> quit
[21:55] <bardo> hi
[21:56] <bardo> i am having some problems installing xubuntu 10.04 is the the place to get help? :) tnks
[21:57] <charlie-tca> It would depend on what the issue is. Please ask your question, all on one line, and if anyone here has an answer, they will give it.
[22:02] <GintasDX> Hey,does usr/bin default permissions is 755?
[22:05] <bardo> i am using xubuntu 9.04, and now i would like to install 10.04. When i start installing it apears the first menu where i can slect the language and the select to install, boot from hard drive, etc. i select install but then it apears the xubuntu logo with bad colors and after that the computer hangs. my laptop is a hp dv1000 with a intel graphic card and a ide hard disk
[22:06] <charlie-tca> GintasDX: yes
[22:06] <charlie-tca> !nomodeset
[22:06] <GintasDX> Thank you.
[22:08] <charlie-tca> bardo: what number/model is the graphics card?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> bardo: does the desktop cd go to the desktop for you?
[22:10] <GintasDX> The new Intel drivers seems to be slower than on 9.10.
[22:12] <bardo> in this particular moment i am usin the laptop with the 9.04 installed and works fine, i cant't boot in any option(inclusive the try xubuntu without install) with 10.04
[22:41] <intok> Anyone know P4 era intel graphics? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9227361#post9227361
[23:01] <bardo> hi again, i am having problemas installing xubuntu with the Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02). does anyone knows a solution.
[23:34] <mnemoc> hi, i have a weird problem.... my mistake I put tightvnc's vncviewer in full screen, and as the menu didn't come i switched to tty1 and killed it. but now back in tty7 the background image is shown, and also the context menus.... but not the apps!
[23:36] <Aquina> is the top and bottom panel visible?
[23:36] <mnemoc> nope
[23:36] <mnemoc> only the bg
[23:36] <mnemoc> and context menus
[23:36] <Aquina> then open a terminal
[23:36] <Aquina> and enter "xfce4-panel &"
[23:36] <Aquina> (without the "")
[23:38] <Aquina> Did it work for you?
[23:38] <mnemoc> started a terminal at DISPLAY=:0.0 from vt1, it's running, but not shown
[23:38] <mnemoc> panel _is_ running
[23:39] <mnemoc> but hidden somewhere :(
[23:39] <Aquina> verify running panels with "sudo ps aux | grep xfce4-panel"
[23:40] <mnemoc> confirmed, panel and plugins are there
[23:40] <Aquina> then memorize the PID and kill it if not responding with "kill -9 PID"
[23:40] <Aquina> huh?
[23:40] <Aquina> then reload it with "xfce4-panel &". In case that won't help tell me...
[23:41] <mnemoc> I have a console shown in two 24" lcd monitor... no need to memorize pids :)
[23:41] <mnemoc> ok, 1m
[23:42] <mnemoc> didn't work...
[23:43] <mnemoc> but when I went back to vt7 the screen saver was running... after it left I got the "empty" desktop again
[23:43] <Aquina> In case all that doesn't help try: sudo ps -aux | grep 'xfce4-' Then verify if the listed procs are zombies and also verify the basic ones (xfce4-session, xfce4-panel) are running at all.
[23:43] <mnemoc> they are all running fine
[23:43] <mnemoc> their visualization is hidden somewhere
[23:44] <Aquina> Thats crazy. So you killed the xfce4-terminal and started it again. So the problem is something else. already checked /var/log/messages?
[23:44] <mnemoc> i can move the mouse to where the panel is supposed to be and open a context menu, which i can see
[23:46] <Aquina> /var/log/daemon.log also sometimes helps with gdm issues. I think however the xfce4-panel is the problem. Did you receive an error mesage when the problem occoured first?
[23:46] <mnemoc> does "AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switching" means anything?
[23:46] <mnemoc> it's in var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:46] <Aquina> no
[23:46] <Aquina> I recommend you to file a bug report against the package xfce4-meta (best bet) on Launchpad and describe the problem briefly.
[23:47] <mnemoc> is there a tool to file a bug report collecting data but NOT relying in confirming using a browser or clicking on anything i can't see?
[23:47] <Aquina> "Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switching" which timestamp does it have? some hours ago?
[23:48] <mnemoc> i think it's recent... but it comes after lot of randing about my bluetooth mouse probably related to inactivity periods during the day
[23:49] <Aquina> mnemoc I saw such a tool in a different disro but never saw it in Xubuntu. I was always forwarded to Launchpad.
[23:50] <Aquina> I think so. at least the AIGLX suspension is not critical and has nothing to do with your current problem.
[23:50] <mnemoc> i doubt filing a bug without attaching the whole world would help
[23:50] <mnemoc> ok
[23:51] <mnemoc> does the X have something like a Z-index I could change for the background?
[23:51] <mnemoc> moving it back to.... the background? :)
[23:52] <mnemoc> or... can I kill it?
[23:53] <Aquina> kill what X?
[23:53] <mnemoc> that's what I wanted to avoid
[23:53] <Aquina> Do you need to save something?
[23:53] <mnemoc> I thought the background image could belong to an xfce app
[23:54] <mnemoc> yes, like 4h of work :(
[23:54] <Aquina> No, it's xfce4-sesion IMHO.
[23:54] <Aquina> OMG. Let me think.
[23:55] <mnemoc> it's so... weird to see irssi in full screen mirrored on two 24" displays
[23:56] <Aquina> I would not want to kill the xfce4-session, gdm or X.
[23:57] <mnemoc> this damn vncviewer should have done something in the X internals when going full-screen... and (obvisuly) didn't restore when I killed it
[23:58] <Aquina> Simple because there are dependancies.
[23:58] <Aquina> It could also be xfwm4 that causes trouble. But there are deps for e.g. wehn firefox is open...
[23:59] <mnemoc> can i safely shoot xfwm4 and restart it?
[23:59] <Aquina> Ok I'm out of ideas. No, xfwm is not an option but chek youself: a hint...


[21:52] <gus>  hi there
[21:52] <gus> I wanto to change every 5 minute the wallpaper and I have wrote a script in csh; Unfortunately  nohup and crontab dosen't work
 someone can sugest me how to set PATH
 gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename


 I'll see if we can dig it up.
[17:59] <bashfulrobot> alexsson you can try this.
[17:59] <bashfulrobot> Remove the corrupted one
[17:59] <bashfulrobot> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:59] <bashfulrobot> Open software-properties-gtk
[17:59] <bashfulrobot> sudo -i software-properties-gtk
[17:59] <bashfulrobot> oops.... meant to send you the link:
[17:59] <bashfulrobot> https://askubuntu.com/questions/124017/how-do-i-restore-the-default-repositories


[01:22] <guillaume_> hi
[05:30] <jimtendo-X540S> Hi guys, my laptops been running a bit slow and I'm trying to debug why that might be. In Kinfocenter, I've noticed that under the power-consumption menu, the application that seems to be consuming the most power (significantly) is "irq/190-ELAN100". I'm pretty sure this is for my touchpad. Should it be consuming this much power or is this indicative of a driver problem probably?
[05:34] <sintre> i'm hardwared on this notebook
[05:34] <sintre> wired
[05:34] <sintre> older alppy but that power managerment issue changes  almost every second
[05:34] <sintre> so wouldn't look at it as a absolute
[05:34] <sintre> as for slow ness have you updated yet
[05:35] <sintre> olso what is your hardware
[05:35] <sintre> sorry for bad spelling
[05:35] <sintre> i promise i'm not 5
[05:35] <sintre> :)
[05:36] <sintre> haalso what version of kubuntu are you using atm
[05:37] <jimtendo-X540S> I'm currently running Kubuntu 16.04, everything has been updated and I'm running a 4.8.0-32 Kernel (had some problems with the 4.4 ones - intermittent crashes).
[05:38] <sintre> updated thru back ports or just normal updates system amanger alerts you to?
[05:38] <jimtendo-X540S> The Laptop itself is an Asus X540S (Quad-Core Pentium N3700's) with Intel Graphics (using i915 driver).
[05:38] <jimtendo-X540S> Normal updates - except for the Kernel... I originally was downloading these from Ubuntu's Mainline page.
[05:38] <sintre> ok good idea to install some back ports
[05:39] <sintre> new kde landed last night
[05:39] <jimtendo-X540S> haha, one minute... I'll go look up what they are ;)
[05:39] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[05:40] <sintre> then type sudo apt update afterwards
[05:40] <sintre> then after that sudo apt full upgrade
[05:40] <sintre> i mean sudo apt full-upgrade
[05:41] <sintre> after your fully updated then we can troubleshoot a bit more
[05:42] <jimtendo-X540S> Wow... been using Kubuntu for probably almost three years and never new about backports!
[05:42] <sintre> lol
[05:42] <jimtendo-X540S> Thanks will give it a go now and be back in a few
[05:42] <sintre> btw go get a beer once you install
[05:42] <sintre> it might take awhile if you haven;;'t upgraded ibn awhile
[05:44] <jimtendo-X540S> haha, already on it ;) Let you know how it goes
[05:44] <sintre> :)
[05:45] <sintre> if on notebook i would plug in ac if possible onless on full charge , just incase
[05:47] <sintre> as for ower management and estimation , all systems window or any distro is so over the place its not even worth the time to figure out imo
[05:47] <sintre> log windows ten say is have 5 hours , then open a youtube video then its 4 hours
[05:47] <sintre> so on same with any power usage breakdown
[05:47] <sintre> i don't think a touch pad is draining your battery
[05:48] <sintre> only for like a decade accurate useage aand timer is a stop watch and use it as you want to
[05:48] <sintre> no matter what ditro
[05:48] <sintre> or os
[06:22] <valorie> !eol
[06:23] <sintre> testing bot?
[06:37] <valorie> sintre: just needed those links
[06:37] <valorie> I probably should have messaged the bot, but this time of day the chan is usually quiet
[06:38] <sintre> well had a guy in ealier , thought he'd come back but guess not
[06:38] <valorie> I miss the excellent bot while trying to hand out info in non-*buntu chans
[06:38] <sintre> he never upgraded thru backports and complained about slowness
[06:38] <sintre> so after 3 years of using lts
[06:38] <sintre> gave him the idea
[06:38] <valorie> yes, I read up
[06:38] <valorie> good help to him
[06:39] <sintre> like alot of people it good sign they go away as they don't need anymore help :)
[06:39] <valorie> true
[06:39] <sintre> ohh yea fixed my mouse, user error of sorts
[06:39] <valorie> I don't think they consider the people answering the questions as actual people
[06:39] <sintre> well not when you respond to them as servants
[06:39] <sintre> lol
[06:40] <sintre> but it is a pain like that guy who had a 2almost 24 hour trouble shooting session , would of been nice to know is ram set up
[06:40] <valorie> it took me years of using linux before I had time to think about pitching in
[06:40] <sintre> as to why all installers kept crashing for future reference
[06:41] <sintre> i'm geting better at asking questions that you wouldn't think to ask
[06:41] <sintre> before after troubleshooting myself
[06:41] <valorie> I find IRC help awesome
[06:42] <valorie> people here have helped me a lot
[06:42] <valorie> and I try to pay it forward when I can
[06:42] <sintre> i try to , go dthing is alot of other people will jump in that know way more than me
[06:42] <sintre> darrin taught me alot
[06:43] <valorie> he knows his stuff, yeah
[06:43] <sintre> although how to ge thru to kde people , to fix tthe silly unify problem , now that no console command can do :)
[06:44] <sintre> though the resort to useless screen bug seems to be fixed in last update
[06:44] <valorie> useless screen bug?
[06:45] <sintre> ohh , well duel minotrs have to modes primary  , which is wierd because thats the display open windows go to
[06:45] <sintre> and secondary
[06:45] <sintre> oddly the secondary screen desktop is where you actualy have task bar icon ect
[06:45] <valorie> ah
[06:45] <sintre> when in duel mode
[06:45] <valorie> I use only laptops, and don't have any secondary screens
[06:46] <valorie> although a few years ago, kscreen thought I did!
[06:46] <sintre> problem was when you stoped duel mode either you normal screen was primary or secondary
[06:46] <sintre> it turned into the display screen
[06:46] <valorie> and sometimes everything opened on that "other" screen
[06:46] <valorie> that was not good
[06:46] <sintre> only wora around i found was to rehook up monitor
[06:46] <sintre> then disable it while in duel mode
[06:47] <sintre> so no i can shut down pc and it returns toa useable screen
[06:47] <sintre> for now fingers crossed
[06:47] <sintre> yes , sound seems to run without manual config for now
[06:48] <sintre> i think for now is my best bet , as sometimes one thing can get fixed and break another
[06:48] <sintre> so two bugs down i'm happy
[06:48] <valorie> for sure
[07:59] <jimtendo-X540S> sintre: Thank you for your help... after using the backports repo and doing a full upgrade, things feel a lot more "responsive" (for lack of a better term). It also seems to have fixed the flickering issues I was encountering using the Brave Browser and Chromium (thinking something to do with rendering must've been updated?)
[08:00] <jimtendo-X540S> Are the packages from Backports the same as Kubuntu 16.10?
[08:13] <valorie> jimtendo-X540S: the same packages, updated -- except in a few cases (possibly) if there are updated dependencies which are new
[08:17] <sintre> well seems i missed  some thing with my shower beforre bed , did jim get thru thr upgrade?
[08:18] <valorie> "ter using the backports repo and doing a full upgrade, things feel a lot more "responsive" (for lack of a better term). It also seems to have fixed the flickering issues I was encountering using the Brave Browser and Chromium (thinking something to do with rendering must've been updated?)"
[08:18] <valorie> so yes
[08:18] <valorie> err, first word should have been after
[08:19] <sintre> glad to hear
[08:19] <sintre> at time he came in didn't mention any flickering issues
[08:20] <sintre> :)
[10:46] <renn0xtk9> kubuntu 14.04 plasma crashes (see the libreoffice apps but no desktop anymore). I reboot and can't log into the session anymore: after entering the password I see a blackscreen for one two seconds and it throws me back to the password screen
[10:46] <renn0xtk9> any help welcome
[10:53] <renn0xtk9> got it!! turns out it was the .Xautority stuff....
[11:51] <danijel> Hi
[11:53] <danijel> anybody know how print cd with canon ip4600 at last kubuntu OS
[11:53] <danijel> ?
[11:54] <danijel> 16.10 x64
[12:09] <mozammel> LINUX users: DO NOT BUY CANON PRODUCT they are purely sucked for linux support.
[12:09] <koffeinfriedhof> thank you for sharing your detailed knowledge.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:12] <arunce> hi, is this normal? can't update: E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu yakkety Release' does not have a Release file.
[17:25] <BluesKaj> arunce, that ppa may have been removed
[17:30] <BluesKaj> arunce, you can remove it from /etc/apt sources.list.d  using, kdesudo dolphin /etc/apt sources.list.d , in krunner/run command
[17:30] <BluesKaj> arunce, correction  /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[17:48] <arunce> yes
[17:49] <arunce> BluesKaj: but it's the ppa you get from http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-8-5-bugfix-release-in-xenial-and-yakkety-backports-now/
[17:52] <arunce> BluesKaj: on a second look, that's it. I was adding just ppa:kubuntu-ppa instead of ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[17:55] <arunce> BluesKaj: thank you
[17:55] <BluesKaj> arunce, I used the staging-plasma and frameworks ppas, but the backports ppa didn't fix my bugs, they look like they were just moved up to the backports from staging
[17:56] <arunce> ohh.. too late
[17:56] <BluesKaj> and thee were no packages to upgrade
[17:57] <arunce> just upgrade to 5.8.5
[17:57] <BluesKaj> yes, but with bugs
[17:57] <arunce> reboot, brb
[17:57] <BluesKaj> i'm getting Kwin crashes
[17:58] <arunce> do you use nvidia?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:58] <arunce> let me see
[17:58] <arunce> brb
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:04] <arunce> back
[18:07] <arunce> just crashed
[18:07] <arunce> it was quick
[18:12] <arunce> BluesKaj: and system tray icons have a fixed size now, the date's font of the digital clock is huge.
[18:17] <BluesKaj> arunce, check your system settngs>app style>widget style and icons
[18:20] <arunce> BluesKaj: nothing new.. or did I miss something? (didn't crash)
[18:25] <BluesKaj> arunce, i meant try to change those settings temporarily to see if they will fix themselves when you go back to your preferred
[18:29] <arunce> BluesKaj: the icons size was dynamic at the system tray
[19:34] <efloid> anyone know why camera transfer is really, really slow?
[20:45] <psychoholic> hello does kubuntu work just like ubuntu as far as install go. I see CL install instructions for ubuntu every where can i use them for kubuntu also
[21:04] <valorie> psychoholic: yes, Kubuntu is Ubuntu
[21:05] <valorie> we use different DE and applications, and underneath, different libraries
[21:29] <psychoholic> so most of the time you add a source then install from source your saying i would have to make sure i use right source for kubuntu?
[21:30] <psychoholic> ill figure it out i guess lol time to install!!! been a little while since i used kubuntu
[21:57] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yo, you're not near the Ft. Lauderdale airport are you?
[22:10] <efloid> ok how to disable the alt-left click window move feature?
[22:11] <efloid> it interferes with applications!
[22:11] <efloid> oh i found it
[22:12] <efloid> Window Behavior -> Window Actions  change from Alt to Meta
[22:13] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I'm not
[22:14] <mhall119> ahoneybun: :)
[22:14] <ahoneybun> thanks mhall119
[22:15] <mhall119> this is the downside of being in a global community, whenever something bad happens anywhere in the world, you probably know somebody near it
[22:15] <ahoneybun> agreed
[22:16] <ahoneybun> I'm down in Hollywood so I'm safe
[22:22] <ahoneybun> mhall119: did popey say anything about our Sprint idea?
[22:23]  * ahoneybun moves over to -devel


[01:41] <bkerensa> Anyone looking for a Community Management Job working with Open Source? Job is in NYC so re-location is required!
[19:37] <blkperl> anyone else noticing slow speeds to ppa.launchpad.net?
[20:03] <bkerensa> blkperl: not particularly but there could be some slowness it is pretty close to release so I imagine traffic right now is at peak
[20:07] <tgm4883> blkperl, someone was reporting some issues in #launchpad earlier
[20:07] <blkperl> I got an answer in #ubuntu-server as well, launchpad is working on the problem
[20:32] <MaskilPDX> Hya all
[20:33] <MaskilPDX> Would you recommend an upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, or a new install?
[20:35] <tgm4883> MaskilPDX, I usually do a new install, but that's just because it's generally faster for me to do so
[20:35] <bkerensa> I do new installs to but a upgrade should go smooth
[20:35] <bkerensa> I know someone who did a 8.04 to 12.10 upgrade recently
[20:35] <bkerensa> :)
[20:35] <bkerensa> without a hiccup
[20:36] <bkerensa> Upgrades do seem to take longer than a fresh install though :)
[20:36] <MaskilPDX> Yea, I have my Ubuntu install down to a science.
[20:36] <MaskilPDX> New install it is
[20:37] <bkerensa> tgm4883: will we see you saturday? :D
[20:37] <MaskilPDX> Fam is out of town this weekend, so I will have time
[20:37] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea I'm 90% sure I'll be there
[20:38] <MaskilPDX> bkerensa, Did you ever hear back from launchpad about the party regestration?
[20:38] <bkerensa> tgm4883: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1964/detail/ can u tick maybe for the sake of LC Council
[20:38] <bkerensa> ;)
[20:38] <bkerensa> MaskilPDX: Its actually not LP its LTP team but no nothing yet
[20:38] <bkerensa> I will re-ping
[20:39] <MaskilPDX> It's just me, so if it doesn't get done, or no response, +1
[21:12] <bkerensa> MaskilPDX: can you retry now and let me know if you get any errors
[21:14] <MaskilPDX> sure
[21:17] <MaskilPDX> bkerensa, same error
[21:17] <bkerensa> MaskilPDX: whats your launchpad id?
[21:19] <MaskilPDX> ub71a5bwcb7ku-6kf70n-b69y0hv8hgzde
[21:20] <MaskilPDX> also seeing a page does not exist error
[21:21] <bkerensa> MaskilPDX: so it appears your using openid
[21:21] <bkerensa> openid creates a autogenerated hash username
[21:21] <bkerensa> and Loco Portal cant support those hashes
[21:21] <bkerensa> because they are longer than the django username field limits
[21:21] <bkerensa> so if you create a real bonafide Launchpad account
[21:21] <bkerensa> you should be good to go
[21:22] <bkerensa> MaskilPDX: https://launchpad.net/~/+edit
[21:22] <bkerensa> :)
[21:23] <MaskilPDX> Ahhhh
[21:25] <MaskilPDX> perfect!  I was going to change that at one time, but the error deterred me.
[21:25] <MaskilPDX> I am now regestered
[21:30] <bkerensa> MaskilPDX: cool :D


[07:06] <Kalidarn> hah i was wondering where raring-desktop-amd64.iso was, then i refreshed my browser :D
[07:07] <Kalidarn> must have just been uploaded.
[08:46] <smartboyhw> Hello:P
[10:58] <Kalidarn> ooh, i should try out secure boot, in Kubuntu 13.04
[10:59] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, thank you!
[10:59] <Kalidarn> is there a guide for setting up the key stuff?
[11:00] <Kalidarn> or do you do that post install with secureboot off
[11:00] <Kalidarn> because I noticed with the latest bios update for the E6530 dell i have here that it added a heap of secure boot stuff
[11:01] <Kalidarn> afaik the system would only have a master key for windows
[11:04] <Kalidarn> smartboyhw: yeah that documentation could do with a bit more verbosity https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#SecureBoot
[11:05] <Kalidarn> and probably an update
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, maybe you can help?
[11:05]  * smartboyhw doesn't have UEFI here phew
[11:06] <Kalidarn> smartboyhw: ill give it a look at it.
[11:06] <Kalidarn> although bug 1087501 sounds pretty serious
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, eee no good
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Any python experts here?
[11:07] <Kalidarn> smartboyhw: maybe ask in #python
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, they said I should try to find the problem myself:O
[11:07] <smartboyhw> ....\
[11:08] <smartboyhw> If I can find the problem myself I wouldn't have asked
[11:08] <Kalidarn> :(
[11:08] <Kalidarn> maybe try a python users mailing list
[11:50] <Kalidarn> uhh oh, noticed one problem
[11:50] <Kalidarn> grub-install dummy failed "This is a Fatal error"
[11:56] <Kalidarn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724219/ hmm
[11:56] <Kalidarn> the line in particular seems to be:
[11:56] <Kalidarn> Apr 20 11:49:58 kubuntu kernel: [  274.164004] efivars: set_variable() failed: status=8000000000000009
[11:57] <yofel> smartboyhw: not an expert, but what's the problem?
[11:59] <Kalidarn> :) uhh oh :D
[11:59] <Kalidarn> i think i just ran into bug 1167622
[12:05] <Kalidarn> SteveRiley: any ideas how i might bypass this? (while still installing with EFI)
[12:05] <Kalidarn> at this point im prepared to roll my own media with the patch
[12:08] <Kalidarn> actualy if it's a regression beta2 is probably alright
[12:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: looking
[12:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: might be a bug in our qt (version)
[12:12] <apachelogger> will have to debug the qt codez, which could take a while seeing as I am not home right now
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:30] <soee> ho can i exclude some folder from beeing indexed
[12:30] <soee> for example in my home direcotry i have several subfolders thath should not be indexed
[12:33] <soee> ok i think i got this - Cutom folders
[12:34] <Kalidarn> soee: sounds more like a question for #kubuntu
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hey again
[13:33] <Kalidarn> hmm kubuntu beta 2 seems to finish the installer and tell me to reboot before it is actually finished
[13:34] <Kalidarn> i don't think it installed a bootloader either.
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, eh?
[13:34] <smartboyhw> How come?
[13:34] <Kalidarn> i decided to use beta 2 because it has kernel 3.8.0 instead of 3.8.3 (the one with the EFI regression)
[13:35] <Kalidarn> the progress bar was going along them bam it smacked a dialog in my face saying it was finished :S seemed abrupt
[13:35] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, em 3.8.0 isn't exactly 3.8.0
[13:35] <smartboyhw> It's 3.8.4 (or 3.8.5, I forgotten)
[13:35] <Kalidarn> and wasn't able to boot off the interhal hd
[13:35] <Kalidarn> oh.
[13:35] <Kalidarn> i didn't get the grub error :P
[13:45] <Kalidarn> success :D
[13:46] <Kalidarn> silly dell bios didn't automatically add a EFI option
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, :D
[13:50] <Kalidarn> had to go into the BIOS and point it to grubx64.efi then it would boot properly.
[14:50] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:24] <Kalidarn> :S im positive a update has broken my network driver
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Kalidarn, uh oh
[15:25] <Kalidarn> so get this right my e1000e was working just fine in the livecd, both the daily for the 20th and beta 2
[15:26] <Kalidarn> and it was working post install, anyway i did a dist-upgrade
[15:26] <Kalidarn> and now it's "unplugged" tried two different cables, tried to manually bring it up and down and run dhclient on it
[15:27] <Kalidarn> no errors in syslog or dmesg, but it seems to think it's unplugged, and also i tried removing the e1000e module and replacing it, no errors.
[15:27] <Kalidarn> but it sure as hell doesn't work anymore :P
[15:27] <Kalidarn> im kind of out of ideas
[15:27] <Kalidarn> i know its not a hardware issue, cos i rebooted into the live daily for today and it worked in that.
[15:29] <Kalidarn> and im 99.9% confident it isn't a user error
[15:34] <Kalidarn> .com
[15:36] <shadeslayer> pastebin apt logs
[15:36] <shadeslayer> maybe something was removed
[15:36] <Kalidarn> that's possible
[15:36] <Kalidarn> was actually going through them now :)
[15:37] <shadeslayer> my computer needs linux-firmware-nonfree to get the wifi to work :P
[15:37] <shadeslayer> so possibly you also need that?
[15:38] <Kalidarn> nah the wifi works, its the ethernet that doesn't
[15:38] <Kalidarn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5724772/ apt-history
[15:38] <Kalidarn> now im sure
[15:38] <Kalidarn> ah its cut it
[15:38] <shadeslayer> huh?
[15:39] <Kalidarn> the history file was too long i think pastebin didn't put it all up there
[15:39] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:39] <shadeslayer> !pastebinit
[15:39] <Kalidarn> ill stick it up on my own server
[15:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[15:47] <Kalidarn> so yeah shadeslayer http://david.corra.com.au/history.log and http://david.corra.com.au/term.log
[15:47] <Kalidarn> anyway it was working right until the last dist-upgrade
[15:47] <Kalidarn> in which it installed a new kernel
[15:48] <Kalidarn> that would have been Start-Date: 2013-04-20  23:26:46
[15:48] <shadeslayer> I see a new kernel
[15:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:48] <shadeslayer> try booting with the old kernel?
[15:48] <Kalidarn> i will try specifically on that
[15:48] <shadeslayer> and if it works in that, that's a pretty huge regression
[15:48] <Kalidarn> but yeah the daily 2013/04/20 works
[15:48] <shadeslayer> check what kernel that one has?
[15:48] <Kalidarn> and it worked just before it was updated :D
[15:49] <Kalidarn> ill defintely do all that :D
[15:49] <Kalidarn> cos it's got me worried now :)
[15:49] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:50] <Kalidarn> i think ethernet breaking is one of the most annoying things too :P
[15:52] <Kalidarn> and yes the other one it upgraded from was 3.8.0-16 to 3.8.0-19
[15:52] <Kalidarn> and yes shadeslayer booting the old kernel fixes it!
[15:52] <shadeslayer> great
[15:53] <shadeslayer> so regression
[15:53] <shadeslayer> please report in #ubuntu-release
[16:26] <Kalidarn> shadeslayer: i thought that it was frozen only documentation changes?
[16:26] <shadeslayer> nah
[16:26] <shadeslayer> kernel bump was planned
[16:27] <shadeslayer> Kalidarn: I'd recommend reporting a bug using ubuntu-bug
[16:27] <shadeslayer> so that it can be put in the release notes
[16:56] <nonickname2> could someone with casper or plymouth knowledge maybe look at bug #1170421? might also be something for the release notes imho
[16:58] <smartboyhw> nonickname2: Hmmm.......
[16:59] <smartboyhw> I think this bug will be quite critical.
[16:59] <nonickname2> someone else confirmed it in the meantime
[17:03] <smartboyhw> nonickname2: Ask in #ubuntu-devel will be better I think.
[19:59]  * yofel ponders bug 1170609
[20:00] <yofel> for some reason, comparing the upstream choqok-1.3.tar.bz2, and the choqok_1.3.orig.tar.bz2 from debian looks like this:
[20:00] <yofel> $ diff -ruN c/choqok-1.3/ cc/choqok-1.3/ | wc -l
[20:00] <yofel> 129903
[20:15] <yofel> ScottK: could I squeeze a 1.3a upload into raring still? Or would it be less of a change to simply patch all po files into the package?
[20:15] <yofel> I'll ask the debian maintainer later how this happened.
[21:35] <ScottK> yofel: Can still get it in.
[22:04] <xnox> yofel: diffstat is a more useful presentation of changes.


[05:12] <thumper> mwhudson: a trivial review? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/move-branch-errors/+merge/31602
[05:21] <mwhudson> thumper: done
[05:25] <thumper> mwhudson: ta
[12:34] <mrevell> Anyone care to review a very small change? it's the removal of text from the LP footer. https://code.launchpad.net/~matthew.revell/launchpad/remove-survey-summer-2010/+merge/31628
[12:40] <jelmer> mrevell-lunch: I'll take it.
[12:57] <mrevell> thanks jelmer
[14:45] <mars> jelmer, ping, any movement on your buildd-trivial branch?  It looks like you asked Lamont to review it?
[14:45] <jelmer> mars: Hi
[14:45] <jelmer> mars: Yep, I've asked for review from him but he's on holidays at the moment. There's no urgency though, just some drive-by cleanups.
[14:46] <mars> ok, any chance someone else could review it to get the work out of the queue?
[14:47] <mars> I looked at it, but it is over my head
[14:48] <jelmer> mars: I'd rather wait for lamont, perhaps I can make it not show up in the general queue somehow though.
[14:48] <mars> only by switching it to "Work in Progress", which would be a hack
[14:48] <mars> jelmer, ok, don't worry about it
[14:49] <jelmer> I've just voted "Abstain" on it, it's no longer waiting for review from launchpad-reviewers now.
[14:49] <mars> oh, neat idea
[14:49] <mars> thanks
[14:57] <adeuring> mars: could you please review this mp: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-612779/+merge/31637 ?
[14:58] <mars> adeuring, sure, you're next
[14:58] <adeuring> mars: thanks!
[15:07] <mars> adeuring, ping
[15:07] <adeuring> mars: yes?
[15:07] <mars> adeuring, uhm, that class name, StreamOrRedirectLibraryFileAliasView, is very suspicious
[15:08] <adeuring> mars: perhaps... What do you mean by "suspicious"?
[15:08] <mars> if you have AorBorCView, then I would say "use polymorphism and create AView, BView, and CView implementations coming from a factory"
[15:09] <mars> StreamOrRedirectLibraryFileAliasView and SafeStreamOrRedirectLibraryFileAliasView sounds like an object design problem
[15:09] <mars> or a poorly named class
[15:10] <adeuring> mars: sounds reasionable. But lifeless is anyway going to reorganize the whole implementation of acces to restricted LFAs, so I think we can leave this somewhat confusion stuiff as it is for now
[15:10] <mars> adeuring, perhaps you could shed some light on this: is StreamOrRedirectLibraryFileAliasView two classes, or is it once class and the class name is telling you what the implementation does? (Stream, and it might redirect the stream)
[15:11] <adeuring> mars: well, I think it is intended to mean "either stream some content or redirect to another URL"
[15:12] <mars> ok, so an object design problem then
[15:12] <adeuring> probably
[15:12] <mars> if it was just a bad class name, that would be easy to fix
[15:12] <mars> oh well
[15:13] <mars> adeuring, ok, thanks for the explanation.  I'll make a note about it in my review for when lifeless reads it
[15:13] <adeuring> ok
[15:15] <adeuring> mars: this class has other issues as well: It first downloads all data from the Librarian, and once that is done, it begins to deliver the data to the client. Not very cleer for large files...
[15:15] <mars> eeww, yuck
[15:15] <mars> hope the librarian isn't slow that day
[15:16] <mars> oh well
[15:16] <adeuring> mars: but again, lifeless idea is to serve restricted data directly from the Librarian (secured by some token), so that won't be an issue soon
[15:17] <mars> I wouldn't know how to fix it myself anyway.  I don't know if the app servers can flush data in their response buffer or not - you would need that if you were to fix it
[15:17] <mars> interesting.  ok.
[15:19] <adeuring> mars: right
[16:01] <bigjools> mars: hi, are you reviewing?
[16:04] <mars> bigjools, yep!
[16:04] <mars> bigjools, feel free to jump in line
[16:04] <bigjools> mars: excellent, I've got a small branch
[16:04] <bigjools> thanks
[17:11] <mars> bigjools, done
[17:18] <bigjools> mars: thank you
[17:20] <bigjools> mars: so, no, the doctest is absolutely not the right place for that test but I don't have the time to convert that all to unit tests and I am loathe to write a new unit test and not include the existing ones.
[17:20] <bigjools> but honestly, that's quite a nice doctest file by soyuz standards :)
[17:31] <mars> bigjools, I would really prefer if you added just this one test.  For me, finding a home for new tests is a barrier to entry - if you blaze that trail, then everyone can point others in that direction later
[17:32] <bigjools> mars: I really, really hate splitting tests up between files, it's extremely confusing
[17:32] <mars> bigjools, what would be split, exactly?
[17:32] <bigjools> the unit tests
[17:33] <bigjools> it's the crappy situation that we've been trying to eradicate in Soyuz tests for the last three years
[17:33] <mars> they would be split from the doctests, and that's bad?  Or they would be split across N unit test files, and that would be bad?
[17:33] <bigjools> it's so much harder to develop when you start making changes and think you've fixed all the tests only to get a bunch more fail in a file you didn't remember
[17:33] <bigjools> so some would be in the doctests and some in the new unit test we're proposing
[17:33] <bigjools> I would rather move them all at once
[17:34] <mars> bigjools, and when will you or your team have a single block of time to spend rewriting the entire doctest file into a proper doctest/unit test pairing?
[17:35] <bigjools> does it matter?
[17:35] <mars> well, if the answer is "never"... :)
[17:35] <bigjools> we have worse problems to fix
[17:35] <bigjools> but tests split all over the place has pissed me off so much in the past
[17:36] <bigjools> consider me jaded
[17:36] <bigjools> this was supposed to be a quick fix!
[17:37] <mars> I understad, but it is quick at the expense of increasing the team's work a few years down the line, and at the expense of our documentation.
[17:40] <bigjools> I simply don't have the time for this right now, I'm sorry.  I budgeted some time to make this essential fix and now I have 6 other things that all need doing yesterday.
[17:40] <bigjools> I'll pass it on to someone else if you insist on the change.
[17:41] <mars> I do insist.  Land what you have, but please have someone refactor it in a follow-up branch, or build on this one.
[17:42] <mars> bigjools, I'll mark the proposal accordingly so you can land it.
[17:42] <mars> before your EOD
[17:44] <bigjools> mars: thanks
[21:56] <rockstar> mars, can I get a quick review from you? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/person-recipe-listings/+merge/31688
[21:57] <mars> rockstar, yep
[21:58] <mars> rockstar, "earma" ?
[21:58] <rockstar> mars, no idea what that's about.  Reverting.
[21:58] <mars> do you use Vim or something?
[21:58] <mars> :)
[21:59] <mars> rockstar, looks good, r=mars.  I am surprised no portlet view tests died on this change.
[21:59] <rockstar> mars, yes, but I also using some fun painkillers, so I might as well be using emacs...
[22:00] <mars> hehe
[22:01] <mars> rockstar, approved


[18:52] <blammo_> hola
[18:52] <blammo_> q tal
[19:00] <blammo_> alguien probo instalarlo en algun nokia?
[19:01] <Martyn> meep
[20:28] <rubenset> hi
[20:31] <rubenset> ubuntu army!
[20:31] <rubenset> xD
[20:38] <Martyn> army?
[20:38] <Martyn> *raises eyebrow*
[20:40] <pwnguin> who leaked my secret project?!
[20:40] <pwnguin> world domination, foiled again!
[20:52] <Martyn> Okay, I found the best quote /ever/ on XKCD ... "I licked your daughter's nipples."


[01:57] <callmepk> good morning
[02:54] <duflu> Hi callmepk
[02:54] <callmepk> hi duflu
[03:39] <luna> morning
[05:08] <duflu> Morning luna
[05:14] <callmepk> morning luna
[05:48] <didrocks> good morning
[05:50] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:50] <duflu> Hi didrocks and oSoMoN
[05:50] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[05:51] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[05:51] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, duflu
[05:57] <seb128> hey didrocks oSoMoN duflu, how are you?
[06:01] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, I'm more tired than a regular Thursday, but feeling good otherwise, and looking forward to a last productive day before my holidays
[06:02] <seb128> right, last day before the holidays, just need to power through right?
[06:02] <oSoMoN> yeah
[06:06] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, et toi ?
[06:07] <didrocks> too many small TODOs to do for a couple of days before jibel returns, but let’s see how much I can do :)
[06:25] <bittin> morning LAS day today
[06:25] <bittin> o/
[06:30] <oSoMoN> good morning bittin
[06:31] <didrocks> hey bittin
[06:47] <seb128> didrocks, ça va!
[06:47] <bittin> https://linuxappsummit.org/
[06:56] <duflu> Morning seb128. Doing OK
[06:57] <duflu> Ah that makes more sense.  Still not travel and seeing the awesome people we are working with though which is sad :-(
[11:46] <seb128> next year probably, that feels an eternity
[11:47] <duflu> Hi Wimpress
[11:47] <duflu> seb128, Australia won't have vaccinations or open borders or flights till next year :(
[11:48] <duflu> And it's getting late so bye...
[11:48] <seb128> :-(
[11:50] <seb128> bah, that new google behaviour of showing the privacy details every time you start a non logged in browser is so annoying
[11:51] <seb128> I use private instances most of the time to check options before buying to lower the 'do you want to buy whatever you just purchased' annoyance
[11:52] <seb128> but now it's every time 'scroll down the page, click the button, then be able to type thing' :-(((
[11:56] <didrocks999> seb128: exactly same issue due to the same strategy
[11:58] <seb128> :-(
[11:59] <seb128> I'm pondering changing my default search engine at this point, at least for private sessions
[12:00] <didrocks999> could be a good idea, I wonder how you can set it for private sessions only though?
[12:07] <Wimpress> Yeah, things are improving in the UK seb128
[12:08] <Wimpress> We've actually been able to see most of our family over the last few weekend. Some for the first time since Xmas 2019!
[12:14] <marcustomlinson> hey Wimpress
[12:14] <marcustomlinson> things are improving in the UK for now...
[12:14] <marcustomlinson> vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate
[12:15] <Wimpress> Hey marcustomlinson o/
[12:15] <Wimpress> Yep, I get my 2nd in a week.
[12:15] <marcustomlinson> noice, I should get my second appointment soon
[12:16] <didrocks999> lucky you, don’t even know when there is a free spot for us once we are entitled (15 June) to request one…
[12:16] <marcustomlinson> it's because we're fatties didrocks999 ;P
[12:17] <didrocks999> general population isn’t vaccinated at all yet in the UK?
[12:18] <marcustomlinson> above 50s are
[12:18] <marcustomlinson> I think above 40s started recently
[12:19] <Laney> it's at 38 now
[12:19]  * Laney refreshes the page daily
[12:20] <ItzSwirlz> v a c c i n a t e
[12:20] <ItzSwirlz> Thanks to the recent approvals in the U.S. I will get my first dose Saturday 👍
[13:29] <bittin> Igor will talk Ubuntu and Canonical on Linux App Summit now in 1 minute
[13:30] <bittin> and hellsworth
[13:35] <bittin> came up with a question
[16:07] <seb128> k, that dl-ubuntu-iso fix was enough to make CI green, we have daily amd64 impish images as current now \o/
[16:40] <Laney> \o\