[00:09] <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: I'll try to get a hold of you later, It's not really important :-)
[01:20] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: pong
[15:56] <dantalizing> morning
[15:56] <mhall119> for now
[18:01] <itnet7> dantalizing: morning..
[18:01]  * itnet7 's too late
[18:05] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: lol
[18:32] <jck77> hello itnet7
[18:38] <itnet7> Hey there
[18:39] <itnet7> How've you been jck77
[18:39] <itnet7> What's happening RoAkSoAx !
[18:41] <jck77> itnet7: doing good
[18:41] <jck77> waiting on that hurricane!!!
[18:42] <itnet7> jck77: that's good to hear!
[18:42] <itnet7> Well the doing good part was
[18:42] <itnet7> Hopefully it won't be that bad
[18:43] <jck77> hope is what we have
[18:43] <jck77> however I still doing my preventio. thanks to the owner of the building we have a big generator
[18:44] <jck77> talking about the office building hehe
[18:48] <mhall119> jcastro: ready for your first hurricane?
[18:50] <jcastro> yeah!
[18:50] <jcastro> my mom sent me a mail and was like "I hope you are paying attention there is a hurricane."
[18:51] <jcastro> and I'm like "there's always a hurricane"
[18:51] <mhall119> lol
[18:52] <mhall119> it's funny to watch the meteorologists on TV, they try not to act like it's christmas in August for them, but you can tell they're thrilled by the whirling cyclone of destruction
[18:52] <itnet7> the news already over dramatizes it. My wife's family has already called us like 10 times, from watching their news channels...
[18:52] <maxolasersquad> Ugh, the TV people are the worst.
[18:53] <itnet7> mhall119: lol
[18:53] <jck77> TV Media sucks
[18:53] <jck77> thats the main reason the whole planet is screwed
[18:54] <jck77> lies and manipulation (brainwash)
[18:54] <jck77> hehe
[18:55] <mhall119> jck77: I know, I was just watching something on cable tv telling me that......wait a minute...
[19:40] <jck77> did anyone here worked with modmono on apache?
[19:41] <jck77> I believe I have to make it work on one of the mini webserver machines I have at work to run an old aspx web files
[19:58] <itnet7> jck77: not I
[19:59] <itnet7> Though there are up to date packages and some community docs out there... Did you see:
[19:59] <itnet7> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ModMono
[20:00] <itnet7> Should help as it also gives full config and some Troubleshooting tips
[20:02] <jck77> thank you
[20:03] <itnet7> Hope it helps!
[21:28] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping


[06:08] <sitter> debfx: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/220257023/pkg-kde-tools_0.15.18ubuntu2_0.15.19ubuntu1.diff.gz any chance of getting that to print the file it was failing on?
[06:08] <sitter> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/220364429/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A4.14.12-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[06:08] <sitter> present output is entirely useless :P
[06:36] <debfx> sitter: you are unable to use grep?
[06:37] <debfx> it might be possible but dpkg-gensymbols doesn't give you more information
[06:38] <sitter> grep won't help as there's 300 symbols files
[06:39] <sitter> DH_VERBOSE seems to help though
[06:39] <sitter> or not
[06:39]  * sitter shakes fist
[06:47] <debfx> these are the broken ones:
[06:47] <debfx> debian/libkio5.symbols: (optional)(arch=amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el)_ZN3KDE4statERK7QStringP4stat@Base 4:4.13.97
[06:47] <debfx> debian/libkio5.symbols: (optional)(arch=amd64 armhf powerpc ppc64el)_ZN3KDE6renameERK7QStringS2_@Base 4:4.14.10
[09:22] <sitter> Riddell: fwiw symbol annotations go into one parenthesis separated by a pipe http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kde4libs.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive&id=12ae9e6376e1f29a3e582441edc72790ed93d7a0
[09:27]  * sitter squints
[09:27] <sitter> you know you've done something right when half the CI turns red over night
[09:29] <sitter> or was that yesterday
[09:29] <Riddell> i think that would be me not pausing before making 5.15 :(
[09:29] <sitter> ...
[09:29] <sitter> Riddell: why don't you make the script do it?
[09:32] <sitter> ⏩⏩ mass retry ⏩⏩
[09:35] <bshah> on that, mobile CI is also red, when I woke up two jobs were waiting for each other
[09:43] <Riddell> um no idea how those symbols were formatted like that, I didn't edit them by hand
[09:57] <Riddell> hi clivejo, how did you get on with kdenetwork-fileshare?
[09:58] <clivejo> cant get it to build
[09:58] <sitter> jenkins openid leaves me underwhelmed -.-
[10:02] <Riddell> clivejo: what's up with it? can you pastebin the error?
[10:02] <sitter> Riddell, clivejo: kindly note that http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_unstable_qca-qt5/11/console
[10:02] <clivejo> I have no idea!
[10:02] <sitter> also patches should have a prefix kubuntu_ for our stuff and upstream_ for upstream stuff please
[10:04] <sitter> Riddell: has your student merged filesharing yet?
[10:05] <Riddell> sitter: I've not heard anything from him, a shame
[10:05] <Riddell> he still had to add some ui feedback for when samba was being installed
[10:05] <sitter> that can happen in master
[10:05] <Riddell> right
[10:06] <bshah> perhaps SoC admins should poke that student.. ;)
[10:06] <Riddell> I was also wanting it to be merged into dolphin or dolphin-plugins, it's weird having it on its own like that
[10:30] <Riddell> my head is quite broken today, I'm going for a snooze
[11:51] <ahoneybun> clivejo: http://news.softpedia.com/news/cutegram-the-best-telegram-client-reaches-version-2-7-with-many-changes-493753.shtml
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:01] <alvin> I just filed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353601 but couldn't find the version. I think it should be added to the report. What's the current version of keditbookmarks in Kubuntu 15.10?
[13:17] <clivejo> ahoneybun: you going to package it for ubuntu?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> my desktop has basically disappeared, the panel is all I have
[14:02] <BluesKaj> the wallpaper appears to have dropped below the panel . I can see a part of the wallpaper at the edges of the panel
[18:00] <vip> after last update (staging) i've got 50% cpu eaten non-stop by:  2  2668 vip        20   0 3493M  202M 85952 S 40.3  2.6  4:02.50 /usr/bin/plasmashell --shut-up
[18:01] <vip> and it eates 1422.81 K/s from I/O
[18:07] <sgclark> which stqaging?
[18:10] <vip> i've got both plasma and frameworks added to sources
[18:10] <sgclark> vivid?
[18:10] <vip> wily
[18:11] <vip> sorry
[18:11] <sgclark> oh
[18:12] <sgclark> plasma has been released so that needs to be submitted as an upstream bug. I am unsure who is working on frameworks.
[18:13] <vip> i'm trying to search what file is it writing/reading to
[18:37] <vip> hmm
[18:38] <vip> it loops on:
[18:38] <vip> Reusing existing ksycoca
[18:38] <vip> Recreating ksycoca file ("/home/vip/.cache/ksycoca5_pl_aPGPvx2Cn6wkw_MB9siWWCLnQZU=", version 303)
[18:38] <vip> Still in the time dict (i.e. deleted files) ("apps")
[18:38] <vip> Saving
[18:38] <vip> Reusing existing ksycoca
[18:38] <vip> filename is still the same
[19:18] <BluesKaj> well,  my desktop is gone for good as is the login screen and enabling sddm doesn't help , tried all the recovery kernels etc...nothing , So I'm back on my old trusty 14.04 for now
[19:33] <clivejo> anyone doing Frameworks 5.15.0 or Plasma 5.4.2?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> clivejo, I was on plasma 5.4.2 til the login screen and the desktop stopped loading
[19:35] <BluesKaj> think I may need to reinstall a daily
[19:38] <sgclark> plasma 5.4.2 has been done for awhile. first report of that behavior.
[19:39] <sgclark> BluesKaj: can you please report this upstream? that sounds bad
[19:40] <sgclark> and is this wily?
[19:41] <clivejo> sorry, got my wires crossed
[19:41] <clivejo> I meant Frameworks 5.15
[19:42] <sgclark> clivejo: looks like Riddell is
[19:42] <clivejo> sgclark: how can you tell?
[19:43] <sgclark> vip I see failure in frameworks-staging which would explain your problems
[19:43] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.15.0_wily.html
[19:43] <sgclark> clivejo: his name is on the uploads in staging
[19:43] <clivejo> ah
[19:43] <clivejo> see it now
[19:43] <Riddell> clivejo: that kunitthing needs a fix
[19:43] <Riddell> the .symbols file is broken
[19:43] <Riddell> it needs remade from new I guess
[19:44] <clivejo> is it going into wily?
[19:45] <Riddell> dunno yet, probably
[19:46] <clivejo> so use the kubuntu_wily_archive branch?
[19:49] <Riddell> yeah
[19:53] <clivejo> so I rm the symbols file and rebuild on LP?
[19:54] <Riddell> clivejo: have you made a new .symbols file before?
[19:54] <Riddell> you build it locally then run the faffy commands
[19:54] <clivejo> nope
[19:55] <Riddell> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html Creating a symbols file
[19:55] <Riddell> mega faffy
[19:55] <clivejo> but that will be for amd64 as thats my system
[19:55] <Riddell> but it'll give you a .symbols file you can then check into git
[19:55] <Riddell> that's fine, if it ends up being arch specific we'll find out soon enough
[19:55] <Riddell> not all of them all
[19:55] <Riddell> not all of them are
[19:55] <clivejo> oh right
[19:56] <clivejo> so wait til the i386 fails and then patch the symbols file?
[19:56] <clivejo> using the LP buildlog?
[19:58] <clivejo> hummm, where are the sources, uscan isnt picking up 5.15.0
[19:58] <vip> sgclark: it temporary stopped writing that file
[19:58] <vip> but started again :/
[20:02] <sgclark> frameworks is not ready to test at all, you will have to update when it is or revert those updates. It is not sagfe to keep those in your sources file at all
[20:03] <clivejo> sgclark: yeah I know, I trying to fix some of the FTBFS
[20:04] <sgclark> was more directed to vip that has staging updates problems
[20:07] <genii> There's a bug in juffed which has been fixed since Nov 4 2014, the current package for Vivid has it, but Trusty and Utopic still don't ... is there some standard timeline for it to go into trusty/utopic universe ( where it normally is) or backports or is that not bothered with normally? ( bug 874479 )
[20:09] <sgclark> genii: we pretty much only package kde, gonna have to go upstream ubuntu for that one
[20:09] <sgclark> utopic is EOl I thought
[20:09] <genii> sgclark: OK, thanks :)
[20:23] <soee> did i missed frameworks 5.15 release ? ;O
[20:23] <sgclark> nope, not done, clivejo I think is fixing stuff
[20:24] <soee> ufff ... :) i'm here for test when they are ready
[21:14] <vip> sgclark: hope it will be fixed soon, for now, I've chattred +i that file
[21:17] <sgclark> it is best not to update from those ppas unless a test call is made, they are quite often in a broken state
[21:31] <vip> sgclark: i've been always extreme tester
[21:31] <vip> thanks anyway, bye
[21:32] <sgclark> that is fine vip just saying
[21:52]  * valorie is a non-extreme tester
[21:53] <valorie> regular wily updates are working well
[21:53] <valorie> sgclark: still recovering /in the afterglow of Randa?
[21:53] <valorie> or just waiting to start your new job
[21:53] <sgclark> I do not have a new job
[21:54] <sgclark> still looking
[21:54] <valorie> ah
[21:54] <valorie> haven't noticed anything on the linuxchix jobslist but then I'm not looking
[21:55] <valorie> worth checking if you're not subbed though
[21:55] <valorie> kde should have a jobs list available to partners
[21:55]  * valorie writes an email suggesting that
[21:57] <sgclark> I hve been focusing on open source jobs, may have to give up and turn to the dark side heh
[21:59] <valorie> I hear you
[21:59] <valorie> but please sniff out something that will make you happy in more ways than just money
[21:59] <valorie> I get that money pays the bills
[22:00] <sgclark> I have been doing that for a few years now. It isn't about me, it is  from family that I must seek out money for the amount of work I do.


[12:39] <tomreyn> hi, i'm using padoka's (Paulo Dias / _groo_) (unstable) 'mesa' ppa https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa on xubuntu 16.04.
[12:39] <tomreyn> i see some dependency issues for some weeks now https://pastebin.com/raw/Uabweh19
[12:40] <tomreyn> maybe as long as he wasnt on irc :)
[12:41] <tomreyn> is it worth switching to oibafd's?
[12:48] <tjaalton> you're on your own with those
[12:54] <tomreyn> right. i'll just wait a bit more.
[12:54] <tomreyn> and eventually switch down to hwe-edge and his stable mesa repo
[12:56] <tomreyn> i still got daily lockups on ryzon with varying symptoms and need to start pinpointing it.


[07:58] <Russ> the xorg-edgers evdev module is built without utouch support
[07:58] <Russ> it wouldn't be a big deal, but the utouch library response to that is to hang
[07:59] <Russ> so eog and evince don't start when using the xorg edgers ppa (at least under precise)
[14:34] <Sarvatt> Russ: yeah, need to downgrade utouch-geis to 2.1.2-0ubuntu4 in precise
[16:23] <Sarvatt> Russ: looks like there was a netsplit earlier, downgrade libutouch-geis1 to 2.1.2-0ubuntu4
[16:40] <Russ> Sarvatt, thanks
[17:58] <Russ> where is the xserver-xorg-input-evdev for use with the precise xorg-edgers xserver-xorg-core (1:2.6.0+git20110912.070f30e0-0ubuntu0sarvatt)?
[21:38] <Russ> where is the xserver-xorg-input-evdev for use with the precise xorg-edgers xserver-xorg-core (2:<IP_ADDRESS>1+git20111128+server-1.11-branch.bed7d7f3-0ubuntu0sarvatt~precise)?
[21:40] <Sarvatt> in the ppa, what do you mean?
[21:41] <Sarvatt> oh its not there for precise
[21:41] <Sarvatt> Russ: thanks for the heads up
[21:43] <Russ> np
[21:48] <FernandoMiguel> guud evening
[23:36] <bryceh> jeez that's quite a version string
[23:36] <bryceh> Sarvatt, a SHA would be shorter ;-)
[23:37] <bryceh> RAOF, any updates on xserver 1.11 eta?


[02:20] <Unit193> Logan_: Yeah, I won't be able to get a pkg-multimedia dev by tomorrow (or, next few days even), so if you wanted to review+upload a git snapshot from https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/icecast2.git/, great, if not no problem as I already have the package locally.
[02:22] <Unit193> (As a plus, Ubuntu delta is now gone)
[04:44] <Logan_> Unit193: make it easy for me to review :P
[05:04] <Unit193> Logan_: Alright, something like https://sigma.unit193.net/source/icecast2_2.4.0-0ubuntu1.dsc perhaps?
[05:07] <Logan_> better.
[05:09] <Unit193> Debdiff?
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning


[05:48] <SilverCode> K_K_N: if you just unplug the modem and plug it back in does it work (ie. done reboot)
[05:48] <SilverCode> K_K_N: we've had problems of 3G data connections being lost even though they are "connected", and we had to power cycle the modem
[06:22] <magespawn> good morning
[06:55] <K_K_N> hi SilverCode, nope unplug and replug does not make a difference it says its connected shows me an ip address, etc but no internet, emails, irc, etc although skype seems to be connected cause its icon goes green
[07:03] <nsnzero> morning all
[07:23] <K_K_N> sorry power tripped there
[07:23] <K_K_N> so anybody has any ideas?
[07:23] <K_K_N> or at least a work around to get my internet connected again without rebooting?
[07:26] <K_K_N> I have searched the net could not find anything that was specific to my device mostly wireless card issues and most for older versions of ubuntu
[07:28] <nsnzero> morning K_K_N
[07:28] <K_K_N> morning nsnzero
[07:28] <K_K_N> yep still having the issue
[07:28] <nsnzero> does it go off randomly or when the pc sleeps ?
[07:30] <K_K_N> seems randomly cause last night all the way to this morning I was actively using the machine and the internet and internet was lost but modem light is blue and constant as if still connected and connectivity status says connected
[07:31] <K_K_N> although the skype icon remained green as if it was connected although I cannot be 100% sure I have no contacts that would have been online at that time
[07:31] <K_K_N> but nothing else
[07:32] <K_K_N> had to reboot
[07:33] <nsnzero> i use cellc as well - sometimes i get no connectivity / traffic even though i am connected - then everything works normal except irc chats dont update
[07:34] <nsnzero> but if rebooting solves the problem i doubt its network related like mine
[07:34] <K_K_N> so you thinking problem with Ubuntu configuration?
[07:35] <nsnzero> what kernel version you using ? uname -r in terminal will tell you
[07:36] <K_K_N> 4.4.0-66-generic
[07:38] <K_K_N> but is it possible that everything else can loose connection and only skype have connectivity?
[07:38] <K_K_N> it seemed like that
[07:39] <andrewlsd> please post output of...
[07:40] <nsnzero> its the first time i heard this happen
[07:40] <andrewlsd> ip r
[07:40] <andrewlsd> when you are connected
[07:40] <nsnzero> hi andrewlsd
[07:40] <K_K_N> hi andrewlsd
[07:40] <andrewlsd> are you connected simultaneously to LAN or wifi perhaps?
[07:40] <K_K_N> at the moment all is working so will the results of ip r be helpful?
[07:41] <andrewlsd> probably
[07:41] <nsnzero> he is using a usb dongle
[07:41] <K_K_N> andrewlsd, yes just the USB dongle, no cable plugged in and Wireless is switched off
[07:42] <andrewlsd> k. the K_K_N
[07:43] <K_K_N> andrewlsd, I sent you a private message with the output
[07:43] <andrewlsd> I have seen in the past, that NetworkManager sometimes says my mobile device is connected once the PP link is "up" but before it receives an IP addres.
[07:43] <andrewlsd> resulting in zero traffic being sent.
[07:44] <andrewlsd> That seemed to happen when the USB dongle had picked up a network, but was hunting for "better" carrier options. eg. it had found Vodacom Edge, but was looking for HSPA and/or busy switching to HSPA when I clicked connect.
[07:45]  * andrewlsd is *still* fighting with storage + oVirt
[07:45]  * andrewlsd goes away
[07:45] <K_K_N> hmm... interesting, and how long did you wait before you had connectivity?
[07:46] <nsnzero> spent half the night customizing my zsh prompt with battery meter network address and wifi essid - and a real time clock
[07:48] <nsnzero> K_K_N: are you running the driver that come with the usb ?
[07:49] <K_K_N> nope I tried what was on the blog link you sent me and installed that software but I guess that software is not compatible with 16.04 it kept failing
[07:49] <K_K_N> so I undid everything
[07:50] <K_K_N> and now ubuntu is seeing it as it was before I changed anything and I am connecting using the mobile broadband connection ubuntu created
[07:50] <nsnzero> maybe updating the kernel will help - you can switch kernels if there is a problem
[07:51] <K_K_N> ok what is the latest kernal cause I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[07:51] <K_K_N> using that cause I also use this laptop for work related as well
[07:52] <nsnzero> i am on 16.04 using 4.8.0-41-generic
[07:53] <K_K_N> ok cool and we will still receive the regular updates that are released?
[07:53] <K_K_N> how do update only the kernal?
[07:55] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: using the "mobile broadband connection ubuntu created" is usually the best way.
[07:55] <andrewlsd> usually additional connectivity software is not required.
[07:56] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: to update kernel check your software updates, and select the available kernel updates.
[07:56] <K_K_N> ok so installing the software for the device you say will not make a difference
[07:56] <K_K_N> I thought mybe if I installed the software for the dongle that might resolve the issue
[07:57] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: usually the only thing that makes a difference is an edit to usb_modeswitch config file. Which if you look in some of the software packages that the provider gives  you, probably contains  some usb_modeswitch config
[07:57] <nsnzero> aa105
[07:57] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: on Linux you _rarely_ install drivers directly from vendor
[07:58] <nsnzero> K_K_N: you in good hands andrewlsd will help
[07:58] <andrewlsd> usually, you can watch what is happening to the device by looking at the system log whilst you plug in the device.
[07:58] <nsnzero> chat later guys
[07:58] <andrewlsd> for example
[08:00]  * andrewlsd goes to find USB dongle
[08:00]  * andrewlsd finds it
[08:00] <K_K_N> ok thanks andrewlsd let me check that, where the system logs located maybe I might see something that can give me a clue of where to start
[08:01] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:01] <K_K_N> morning inetpro
[08:01] <andrewlsd> watches system log with `sudo journalctl -f`
[08:02] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: that produces output as shown here: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmg5rcn
[08:02] <inetpro> andrewlsd: what is wrong with tail?
[08:02] <andrewlsd> inetpro: nothing. `journalctl` is just standard with systemd stuff
[08:02] <andrewlsd> so `sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog` should produce the same output
[08:03] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: that output shows errors because I didn't have a SIM card in the dongle
[08:04] <inetpro> andrewlsd: sorry that was meant to be a rhetorical question
[08:04] <andrewlsd> if you see `usb_modeswitch` in the log, thats a good thing.
[08:04] <K_K_N> that looks like a good command, is it giving me real time logs here?
[08:04] <andrewlsd> :-) inetpro. I've not had enough sleep to be able to detect rhetorical :-(
[08:04]  * andrewlsd goes away again to check on oVirt
[08:05] <inetpro> andrewlsd: what version of oVirt are you running?
[08:05] <K_K_N> I think I will go get coffee and check if my connectivity is still active when I get back
[08:06] <K_K_N> brb
[08:10] <andrewlsd> inetpro: it's RHEV 3.6 actually
[08:10] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: yes, those are realtime logs
[08:10] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: thanks for the DM with the route output.
[08:11] <inetpro> andrewlsd: ah, old stable stuff
[08:11]  * andrewlsd has RHV4 stuff too.
[08:11] <andrewlsd> oVirt does not like having its storage suddenly disconnected.
[08:13] <inetpro> eish!
[08:13] <andrewlsd> (which is not surprising)
[08:13]  * inetpro can just imagine
[08:15] <inetpro> andrewlsd: you have any idea when RHEV will come with 4.x?
[08:15] <andrewlsd> it is already.
[08:15] <andrewlsd> and renamed as RHV
[08:15] <inetpro> oh that sounds interesting
[08:15] <andrewlsd> RHV 4.0.2 is current afaik. RHEV 3-series is EOL end September.
[08:16] <inetpro> cool
[08:36] <andrewlsd> RHV4 has some nice stuff.  oVirt too. especially SDN integration stuff and `glusterfs` for _hyperconverged_
[08:37] <andrewlsd> btw, RHV4 VMware to RHV migration tool works brilliantly.
[08:38] <andrewlsd> RHV4 hypervisor architecture changed quite a bit. Is not more "install" less "image" . Probably must be true for upstream oVirt too.
[08:53] <andrewlsd> Maaz: coffee please
[08:53] <Maaz> andrewlsd: There isn't a pot on
[08:53] <andrewlsd> Maaz: coffee on
[08:53]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:55] <magellanic> hey andrewlsd
[08:55] <andrewlsd> o/ magellanic
[08:56] <andrewlsd> True story: When things go pear-shaped, it's nice to have Red Hat support.  cc superfly
[08:57] <magellanic> hehe, seems you have been busy this morning
[08:57] <andrewlsd> Yeah, and all of last night.
[08:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for andrewlsd!
[08:58] <andrewlsd> Maaz: coffee please
[08:58] <Maaz> andrewlsd: There isn't a pot on
[08:58] <andrewlsd> Maaz: why can't have more coffee
[08:58] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Got it
[08:58] <magellanic> ah, a crisis?
[08:58] <andrewlsd> magellanic: definitely
[08:58] <magellanic> :(
[09:02] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[09:02]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:02] <inetpro> andrewlsd: want another cup?
[09:04] <inetpro> are you winning at least?
[09:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[09:06] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[09:06] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[09:06]  * inetpro wonders where is oom Kilos
[09:08] <andrewlsd> inetpro: definitely need more coffee.
[09:08] <andrewlsd> Maaz: seen Kilos
[09:08] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 12 hours, 56 minutes and 17 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-03-10 20:12:04 GMT], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-03-10 20:12:10 GMT
[09:09] <inetpro> andrewlsd: ai! good luck sir, I hope you get it sorted
[09:12] <andrewlsd> ty inetpro
[09:33] <K_K_N> hi Kilos
[09:33] <K_K_N> how are you doing oom?
[09:34] <inetpro> Kilos: welcome back
[09:34] <inetpro> what happened?
[09:40] <K_K_N> ok an update people, I had the issue again where I lost connectivity
[09:40] <K_K_N> while sudo journalctl -f was running
[09:40] <K_K_N> I disconnected and reconnected
[09:40] <K_K_N> but still no connectivity
[09:41] <K_K_N> I copied the logs that were generated before rebooting to regain connectivity
[09:41] <K_K_N> who will be able to read it and maybe have an idea of why I have no connection?
[09:41] <magellanic> pastebin it?
[09:42] <K_K_N> ok let me do that then you guys can advise
[09:51] <K_K_N> ok pastebin completed
[09:51] <K_K_N> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmjy8fc
[09:55] <K_K_N> anybody here that needs me to explain the issue again just in case you were offline while I chatted about it?
[09:58] <inetpro> K_K_N: been a long time since having those kind of issues, looks like NetworkManager interfering there
[09:58] <K_K_N> ok so where should I begin looking?
[09:59] <inetpro> long time ago the way to do it was to remove or disable NetworkManager
[10:00] <inetpro> but these days I'm not sure whether that is still necessary
[10:01] <inetpro> thing that works best for me is an independant router that is always on
[10:02] <magellanic> nothing in the logs stands out to me?
[10:02] <K_K_N> inetpro, well we might as well try something cause its becoming annoying to have to reboot and unfortunately all I have at the moment is this USB 3G modem
[10:03] <K_K_N> magellanic, maybe there are some other log files I can look at that might be more helpful?
[10:03] <magellanic> run some commands and get the outputs if it happens again, maybe: ip ro, ip addr, ping -c2 <IP_ADDRESS>, dig www.google.com, tracepath <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:05] <K_K_N> magellanic, ok cool thanks, so run them when the issue happens, I will do then will reboot and pastebin again for you
[10:05] <K_K_N> but let me run it now since all is working and maybe see what the difference is
[10:06] <magellanic> cool
[10:07] <inetpro> don't think you'll get much output from those when you got disconnected #justsaying
[10:07] <inetpro> what you may need is a continuous ping to keep the network up
[10:08] <magellanic> from the logs it looks like it successfully establishes another connection
[10:10] <K_K_N> yeah and also it seems like skype gets connected but nothing else does
[10:10] <K_K_N> ok ran the above commands now will wait for when the issue occurs and will run again
[10:10] <inetpro> question is, did it connect automagically or was it K_K_N triggering it manually again?
[10:11] <inetpro> maybe play with something like the following as well
[10:11] <inetpro> ping -s0 -i10 <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:11] <K_K_N> what happens is I just loose everything even if I am busy browsing the net
[10:11] <K_K_N> but the connection says its still connected
[10:12] <inetpro> that will ping every 10 seconds with a packetsize of 0
[10:12] <K_K_N> and the modem light is also blue and constant and also skype icon is green
[10:12] <K_K_N> I disconnect and reconnect to see if that helps
[10:12] <K_K_N> I even remove the USB device and reinsert it
[10:13] <K_K_N> still no difference have to reboot for it to work
[10:13] <inetpro> just play with the i value to see how long you need packets to flow
[10:14] <K_K_N> but even if that is the case the connection is timing out because of no packets sent why does disconnecting and reconnecting not help even though the connection status says connected and I have an IP address, DNS, etc. from the ISP?
[10:15] <K_K_N> only a reboot of the machine helps
[10:15] <inetpro> wow
[10:17] <K_K_N> yeah my reaction exactly
[10:17] <K_K_N> LOL
[10:18] <inetpro> ping -O -W1 -s0 -i5 <IP_ADDRESS> | perl -nle 'print scalar(localtime), " ", $_'
[10:18] <inetpro> that ^^ will run the ping every 5 seconds and display the date like a log entry
[10:19] <inetpro> nice for troubleshooting
[10:19] <K_K_N> ok I will let that run lets see if the issue occurs again
[10:20] <inetpro> with that you can compare with events in the logs
[10:20] <K_K_N> ok cool so let me monitor then I will give feedback
[10:21] <K_K_N> btw what address is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:23] <inetpro> google dns server
[10:23] <K_K_N> ah ok cool
[10:23] <inetpro> https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/
[10:25] <K_K_N> cool
[10:26] <K_K_N> wonder if google records the originating IP address and stores the info to send to whoever wants it...
[10:26] <K_K_N> hehe
[10:27] <inetpro> they know more about you than you may think
[10:27] <K_K_N> lol
[10:27] <K_K_N> you probably right been reading some info on the net about privacy tools etc
[10:28] <K_K_N> there is a lot I did not realize about what a site you visit can learn about you just with you only visiting their home page
[10:28] <K_K_N> not even clicking anything
[10:28] <inetpro> yep, modern browsers leak a huge amount of info by default
[10:30] <inetpro> all in the name of convenience and service delivery
[10:31] <K_K_N> I guess some are genuine in their reasoning but we cannot trust them all well after reading what I have been reading I do not trust any
[10:31] <K_K_N> lol
[10:32] <K_K_N> so been changing and tweaking settings on the browser according to the advice on the net
[10:43] <MaNI> the browers are less to blame than all the sites that happily embed th e various google tools
[10:44] <MaNI> google analytics etc.
[11:35] <inetpro> Maaz: that's true as well
[11:35] <Maaz> inetpro: Excuse me?
[11:36] <inetpro> oops... that was meant for MaNI
[12:23] <andrewlsd> K_K_N: [1489221639.8227] device (ttyACM0): Activation: successful, device activated.
[12:23] <andrewlsd> that line looks good
[12:26] <andrewlsd> K_K_N:  check if you have any `ppp` lines in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:26] <andrewlsd> you can do a bin.snyman.info of the output of cat /etc/network/interfaces
[12:27] <andrewlsd> I couldn't find the info higher up.. Which release of Ubuntu are you using K_K_N
[12:37]  * andrewlsd goes away again
[13:23] <inetpro> Kilos: are you ok?
[14:24] <magespawn> chat later all
[14:57] <inetpro> wb zaki
[14:57] <inetpro> oh and hi poppingtonic
[16:28] <K_K_N> magellanic, here are the results while everything was working and then when nothing was working except skype
[16:28] <K_K_N> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmczvnd
[16:32] <magellanic> okay, so your dns is breaking
[16:36] <magellanic> I'd try and restart dnsmasq after you reconnect, not sure if network manager is starting dnsmasq, or if it is started generally as a system service
[16:37] <K_K_N> also I can confirm that skype does get reconnected but nothing else
[16:37] <magellanic> next time it does that, try a: service network-manager restart, it works for me when I need to get dnsmasq restarted
[16:38] <K_K_N> ok cool I will try that
[16:38] <magellanic> also, what version of ubuntu is it
[16:38] <K_K_N> 16.04
[16:38] <magellanic> okay
[16:39] <K_K_N> thanks for the help
[16:39] <K_K_N> when it happens again lets see if that is the issue
[16:39] <magellanic> sure
[17:03] <K_K_N> magellanic, I think we got a bit closer now cause now I did not have to reboot the machine
[17:03] <K_K_N> although I had to remove and reinsert the USB modem
[17:04] <magellanic> probably due to the network manager restart yeah
[17:05] <K_K_N> so is the issue what you suspected?
[17:05] <magellanic> what was the link to the logs you pasted earlier
[17:06] <K_K_N> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmczvnd
[17:07] <magellanic> sorry not that link, the one with the syslogs
[17:07] <magellanic> I can't seem to see it
[17:07] <magellanic> ah, found it
[17:08] <K_K_N> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmjy8fc
[17:08] <magellanic> an easy option will be to config your connection to not get dns dynamically from the isp, hard code it to <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:09] <K_K_N> ok and the not so easy option?
[17:09] <magellanic> figure out why dns breaks after a reconnect
[17:10] <K_K_N> ok so DNS is where I should look for a resolution?
[17:11] <magellanic> yep
[17:13] <K_K_N> ok thanks I will try and have a look at those logs and my settings, etc and see what I can figure out a solutions (with the help of internet off course... ;) hehe)
[17:13] <magellanic> from the logs, it does look like nm puts dns settings in, and dnsmasq seems to say it acknowledges it
[17:22] <magellanic> have a look at dnsmasq.conf for entry "log-queries", enable it, then watch what dnsmasq does on reconnect for new queries
[17:29] <K_K_N> ok cool, where do I find dnsmasq.conf
[17:30] <magellanic>  /etc/dnsmasq.conf I think
[17:34] <magellanic> or /etc/dnsmasq.d/network-manager it seems
[17:38] <K_K_N> ok not finding dnsmasq.conf anywhere on the machine and the above file network-manager has like 3 lines begining with # and one line that states bind-interfaces
[17:40] <K_K_N> ok I will look at this again in a bit
[17:40] <K_K_N> will be back
[17:42] <magellanic> you can put it in that file, note: it will make logs noisy
[17:53] <nsnzero> evening all
[18:12] <inetpro> hi nsnzero
[18:13] <nsnzero> hi inetpro
[18:18] <Kilos> ohi everyone
[18:19] <inetpro> ah, eventualy he found his way here again?
[18:19] <Kilos> sorry guys
[18:19] <nsnzero> hi Kilos
[18:20] <nsnzero> Kilos: you got lost ?
[18:20] <Kilos> i slept all avy nsnzero
[18:21] <nsnzero> wish i could do that Kilos
[18:21] <Kilos> when you living on meds these things happen
[18:21] <inetpro> looks like superfly also sleeping late today
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <Kilos> nsnzero you welcome to the meds
[18:22] <Kilos> make you feel yucky
[18:24] <nsnzero> 1 medicine i take Kilos  -> brandy
[18:25] <inetpro> andrewlsd: slack broke my quasselclient today
[18:26] <inetpro> found my client core dumping since this afternoon
[18:27]  * nsnzero googles what slack is
[18:27] <inetpro> core dumping every time I go to the slack channels on quassel
[18:28] <inetpro> nsnzero: see http://zatech.co.za
[18:29] <inetpro> many old irc hands can be found there on the ZA Tech team on slack... plus others who have probably never been on IRC
[18:29] <inetpro> quite sad really
[18:30] <nsnzero> its a chat protocol
[18:31] <inetpro> slack is yet another closed-source, proprietary, walled-garden where you hand over all of your private communications to a private third-party in another country
[18:32] <inetpro> but it works and has quite a few nice functionalities
[18:33] <nsnzero> irc protocol needs an update - especially the message sent / received part
[18:35] <inetpro> chesedo-: I created a ubuntu-za channel there at ZATech today just to point back here, hopefully some will find us from there
[18:42] <nsnzero> now how do i set it up in weechat ?
[18:44] <inetpro> nsnzero: see my PM on slack
[18:46] <nsnzero> good evening Langjan
[18:46] <Langjan> hi nsnzero
[18:46] <Langjan> keeping well?
[18:46] <inetpro> nsnzero: see https://zatech.slack.com/account/gateways, you basically end up connecting to yet another IRC network
[18:46] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[18:47] <inetpro> good evening Langjan
[18:47] <nsnzero> yes i am Langjan thanks for asking - hope you are well too
[18:47] <Langjan> Hello inetpro
[18:48] <Langjan> I'm just checking in to show a young lady our great chat room
[18:48] <inetpro> hmm... why not invite her in here oom Langjan?
[18:48] <Langjan> In Pietermaritzburg
[18:48] <nsnzero> awesome stuff Langjan
[18:49] <inetpro> new users are always welcome
[18:49] <Langjan> shes not on linux
[18:50] <inetpro> she will learn it quickly
[18:50]  * nsnzero goes to look for a terminal jabber client
[18:51] <Langjan> depends, she uses Jaws and Zoomtext
[18:51] <Langjan> on win 7
[18:53] <Langjan> Hi Maaz
[18:54] <Langjan> Maaz, coffee
[18:54] <Maaz> Langjan: coffee is liquid code
[18:54] <inetpro> Langjan: interesting
[18:54] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:54]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:54] <Langjan> thks
[18:55] <inetpro> now say "Maaz: coffee please" without the quotes
[18:55] <Langjan> Maaz,: coffee please
[18:55] <Maaz> Langjan: Righto
[18:56] <Langjan> inetpro, you obviously twigged Im showing her around chat room in my inept way
[18:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Langjan!
[18:58] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:58] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:59] <inetpro> Maaz: what can you do?
[18:59] <Maaz> inetpro: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[18:59] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[18:59] <Kilos> naand oom Langjan
[18:59] <Kilos> skuus man ek eet ook jy weet
[19:00]  * nsnzero is not surprised that emacs has a jabber plugin
[19:00] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[19:00] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[19:00] <Langjan> hi Kilos
[19:00] <Kilos> ai!
[19:00] <Kilos> you ok Langjan ?
[19:00] <Langjan> Fine thks in Pmburg
[19:00] <Langjan> long road today
[19:01] <Langjan> and you?
[19:01] <nsnzero> anyone tried out profanity barnowl or finch ?
[19:01] <Kilos> im ok as well ty. i was in pmb for years
[19:01] <Langjan> inetpro, thanks for the info
[19:02] <Langjan> yes so you said, were in Pelham Kilos
[19:02] <Kilos> wave to pmb for me
[19:02] <Langjan> will do
[19:02] <Kilos> and convert some win peeps
[19:03] <Langjan> trying, she uses some stuff on win, will hav to google around to see if linux has equivalents
[19:08] <inetpro> Langjan: with decent modern hardware KDE is actually quite usable for visually impaired users these days
[19:08] <Langjan> Ok guys thks for the chat, will love and leave you for now
[19:08] <inetpro> am not so sure about normal Ubuntu
[19:09] <nsnzero> take care Langjan and friend
[19:09] <Kilos> be good oom
[19:09] <Langjan> thks inetpro will have a look
[19:09] <inetpro> just need to look at the Accessibility Options
[19:10] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[19:10] <inetpro> oh and Desktop effects
[19:10] <Langjan> thks Kilos and inetpro
[19:10] <Kilos> you will skrik him away mentioning kde
[19:10] <inetpro> haha, it's his hardware man
[19:10] <Langjan> no man
[19:10] <Kilos> it doesnt break often enough for him
[19:11] <Langjan> its not that bad, just tease you
[19:11] <Langjan> lmga
[19:11] <Kilos> hee hee
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: what's the score?
[19:17] <Kilos> i have no tv or radio inetpro
[19:19] <inetpro> ai!
[19:19] <inetpro> you have the interwebs oom Kilos
[19:19] <Kilos> lol ya feels strange to have no idea what is happening in the sports world
[19:20] <Kilos> inetrwebs on edge
[19:20] <inetpro> sjoe, now that is bad
[19:20] <Kilos> havent got cellc and vodacom moving yet
[19:20] <inetpro> no wonder you are so quiet
[19:20] <Kilos> yip
[19:21] <Kilos> often drops compleately as well
[19:21] <Kilos> and we have 2 pcs running from one router so edge takes its toll on patience
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm... not good
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> its ok when you sleeping
[19:37] <nsnzero> slack seem good but i cant find a good client for it
[19:40] <nsnzero> good night all
[19:43] <paddatrapper> Maaz: tell nsnzero weechat has a python slack plugin - wee-slack
[19:43] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Got it, I'll tell nsnzero on freenode
[19:54] <inetpro> paddatrapper: sounds interesting, how does it work?
[19:55] <paddatrapper> inetpro: its a python script that runs in weechat. They act like normal channel buffers
[19:56] <paddatrapper> inetpro: https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack
[19:58] <inetpro> looks like fun
[19:58]  * inetpro should actually try weechat again at some point
[20:15] <pavlushka> Night ZA people :)
[20:28] <superfly> inetpro: had to go out shopping
[20:29] <inetpro> superfly: you are forgiven
[20:29] <Kilos> lol
[20:29] <Kilos> hi fly
[20:29]  * Kilos goes to bed now
[20:29] <superfly> good night Kilos
[20:29] <Kilos> night everyone. sleep tight
[20:29] <paddatrapper> night Kilos
[20:29] <Kilos> ty
[20:30] <inetpro> good night k...
[20:34] <inetpro> goeie nagrus almal