[12:31] <elmo> jbailey: DUDE
[12:32] <doko> elmo: do you want to demote 3.3 from main to universe?
[12:36] <jbailey> elmo: eh?
[12:37] <elmo> jbailey: are you going to undo that CDBS brain damage where the build-depends get generated ont he fly?
[12:37] <elmo> doko: a bunch of stuff still uses it?
[12:38] <jbailey> elmo: What jrg and I talked about for cdbs2 (since it's too late to undo it for cdbs1) is that we'll still provide the facility, but that it will be wired such that if debian/control is out of date at build time, it'll just fail the build.
[12:38] <doko> well, yes. so we'll have 3 in main and the 4th in universe
[12:39] <jbailey> elmo: cdbs is in a good position to know information for calculating build-deps, but it needs to really not happen at buildd time.
[12:40] <elmo> jbailey: why's it too late? :P
[12:40] <jbailey> elmo: Things are using it.
[12:40] <elmo> SATAN WORSHIPPERS
[12:40] <jbailey> elmo: dh_make --cdbs for some reason uses it by default. =(
[12:40] <jbailey> Just insanity.
[12:40] <elmo> ARGH
[12:41] <elmo> those  people are THROWING BABY JESUS ONTO A PYRE AND LAUGHING ALL THE WHILE\
[12:41] <jbailey> Wow, elmo is channelling a mix of mjg59 and overfiend.
[12:42] <elmo> jbailey: why is it _ever_ adding build-essential tho?
[12:42] <elmo> ignoring for one moment the whole auto-update insanity
[12:44] <jbailey> nfi
[12:44] <jbailey> Wasn't my hack. =(  It went quite a bit further than I expected it would, even under Robert Millan's care.
[12:54] <lamont> jbailey: censors
[12:55] <lamont> sensoring is something much more touchy-feely
[04:18] <jbailey> lamont: Right.  I get that wrong because of a church conference I went to called 'unsensored' as a pun.
[04:20] <daniels> heh
[06:40] <fabbione> morning
[11:07] <elmo> infinity/lamont: d-i daily auto-builds are being flaky
[11:08] <elmo> as in, not turning up for a random 2/4 arches
[11:11] <fabbione> elmo: did you install the ppc64 kernel on any of the buildd??
[11:11] <elmo> fabbione: not yet - do you need me to?
[11:12] <fabbione> elmo: perfect. no don't :)
[11:12] <fabbione> i found a regression in building ppc kernels on ppc64 running machines
[11:12] <elmo> hehe
[11:12] <fabbione> elmo: somehow it breaks headers build
[11:13] <fabbione> and i didn't have the time to track it down yet
[11:13] <fabbione> it took a while to understand why davis was FTBFS while it was ok on the buildd :)
[11:14] <fabbione> elmo: if you have time i need a dist-upgrade on breezy/{concordia,davis,hally} and breezy-i386/concordia to get all the latest kernel-packages, gcc-3.4
[11:14] <elmo> btw has davis' stability continued?
[11:14] <fabbione> elmo: yup.. not a single problem other than that regression
[11:15] <elmo> woo
[11:15] <fabbione> elmo: i pushed it up to -j300 with no problems
[11:15] <fabbione> the ppc scheduler >> *
[11:15] <fabbione> and you know i am good at pushing machine.. given nagios waking you up everytime i upload :P
[11:23] <elmo> fabbione: done
[11:24] <fabbione> elmo: thanks
[12:44] <jbailey> fabbione: ping?
[12:45] <fabbione> jbailey: pong
[12:45] <jbailey> fabbione: Tell me good things about glibc on sparc? =)
[12:45] <fabbione> it's building :)
[12:45] <fabbione> it's half way trough
[12:46] <jbailey> Can you peek into the source directory?  It would be interesting to see if it's finished the first pass, and if so, was it succesful or did it error?
[12:46] <fabbione> jbailey: i am saving the entire buildlog
[12:46] <fabbione> so you can look at it when it's done
[12:47] <fabbione> actually.. you can check yourself too :)
[12:47] <fabbione> you can still ssh to the sparcbuildd :)
[12:47] <fabbione> it's building in chroots/manual/home/sparcbuildd/
[12:48] <jbailey> BAh.  Cat just threw up for the 6th or 7th time this morning. =(
[12:49] <fabbione> *sighs*
[12:51] <jbailey> fabbione: First pass looks good as sparcv9 minimum and nptl
[12:52] <fabbione> jbailey: cool
[12:52] <jbailey> It's way less than halfway done, though, I think.
[12:52] <fabbione> yeah it's around half way
[12:52] <fabbione> the previous log was 43MB
[12:52] <fabbione> this is around 20
[12:52] <fabbione> but if you disabled stuff around, i expect the log to be smaller
[12:52] <jbailey> Right, I disabled one full pass.
[12:53] <jbailey> I don't see any reason why the v9b build would fail from here.  sparc64 didn't change yet.
[12:54] <fabbione> so no NTPL?
[12:54] <jbailey> Not for sparc64, yes for the others.
[12:54] <fabbione> ok
[12:54] <jbailey> It needs binutils 2.16.1 and some extra patches.
[12:55] <fabbione> ah ok
[12:55] <jbailey> So early next week maybe...
[12:55] <fabbione> yeah no rush dude :)
[12:57] <jbailey> Yeah, but it would be nice to have kickass sparc support in a mainstream distro. =)
[01:01] <fabbione> than we should get more buildd's :)
[01:01] <fabbione> we are in catch 22 right now
[01:02] <fabbione> but i am getting a nice buildd from maswan
[01:03] <fabbione> i hope to get it up and running soon
[01:03] <jbailey> fabbione: I can probably fire up this u5 to help along, too, after I move.
[01:03] <fabbione> jbailey: with the u5 it would be better to test the installer and so on
[01:03] <fabbione> we really need somebody to test :)
[01:03] <fabbione> and i can do it when i am not building
[01:05] <jbailey> 'k =)
[01:05] <jbailey> I almost brought an E250 home with me from my last place of employment, but the thing is too loud, I never would've run it.
[01:05] <fabbione> when are you going to finish your relocation btw?
[01:05] <fabbione> yeah i know the e250 :)
[01:05] <fabbione> nice toy
[01:05] <jbailey> I do my actual move on July 4th.
[01:06] <jbailey> It's to a new city, so I'm not doing one of these 'spread out over 4 days' types of moves. =)
[01:06] <fabbione> lucky you
[01:06] <fabbione> it took me ages to change city
[01:06] <fabbione> moving stuff myself
[01:07] <chmj> <-- has to move also
[01:07] <jbailey> fabbione: We're loading everything into one big truck, driving for 7 hours, and unloading.
[01:08] <fabbione> jbailey: that's the best.. really
[01:08] <fabbione> one shot and that's it
[01:08] <jbailey> Yup.
[01:08] <jbailey> And we've hired people in the remote city to handle getting it from the truck into the appt.
[01:09] <jbailey> We'll be way too tired after all that to figure out how to get furniture up two tight flights of stairs.
[01:09] <fabbione> wise :)
[01:09] <jbailey> I've gained so many things over the years.  I can only hope that wisdom is one of them. ;)
[01:10] <jbailey> s/hope/pray... beg..../
[01:10] <fabbione> ehhehe
[01:38] <jbailey> fabbione: Neat, v9b compiled fine.
[01:43] <fabbione> jbailey: cool
[01:45] <jbailey> I wonder how much difference there really is between v9 and v9b
[01:46] <fabbione> no clue :)
[01:46] <fabbione> that's your playground :)
[01:46] <jbailey> Fabio, my friend...
[01:46] <jbailey> *you're* the sparc port guy. =)
[01:46] <fabbione> jbailey: you are the glibc guys :P
[01:47] <jbailey> I've asked someone.  I'm curious if just the hwcap was different, so v9b systems weren't picking up the v9 optimisations.
[01:47] <jbailey> It would be nice if we could drop that pass completely, too.
[01:48] <jbailey> And then my last big dream for sparc:  Kill the gcc wrapper. =)
[01:50] <fabbione> ahhaha
[02:23] <chmj> jbailey,
[03:57] <jbailey> chmj: Here
[04:12] <chmj> I forgot what I wanted to say
[04:14] <jbailey> I've started to give comments after the word ping now so that I stop forgetting. =)
[04:14] <chmj> good idea
[04:50] <jbailey> Bah, strip/tls fuckage.
[05:34] <jbailey> lamont / lamont__ / infinity: Is it possible to tell what versions of the base packages were in the buildd chroot at package build time?
[05:35] <jbailey> I'm looking for binutils in this case.
[05:35] <lamont__> build-essential Depends are in the log file
[05:36] <lamont__> Checking correctness of source dependencies...
[05:36] <lamont__> Toolchain package versions: libc6.1-dev_2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu11 linux-kernel-headers_2.5.999-test7-bk-17 gcc-3.3_1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2 g++-3.3_1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2 binutils_2.15-5ubuntu1 libstdc++5_1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2 libstdc++5-3.3-dev_1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2
[05:36] <lamont__> for example
[05:37] <jbailey> Poifect, thanks.
[05:37] <lamont__> (I _THINK_ it pulls the list of packages-to-dump-versions-for from build-essential....
[05:37] <lamont__> jbailey: and  you asking is pretty much the reason it's there.
[05:38] <lamont__> well, for correct values of 'you'...
[05:38] <jbailey> It may very well have been me at some point in the past. =)
[05:39] <jbailey> Hmm, no ia64 success or fail message for http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/glibc/2.3.5-1ubuntu6/\
[05:40] <lamont__> buildLogs/g/glibc/2.3.5-1ubuntu6/glibc_2.3.5-1ubuntu6_20050614-1141-ia64-successful.gz
[05:40] <lamont__> uh....
[05:41] <lamont__> _AMD_64, otoh...
[05:42] <jbailey> Umm.  Right.
[05:42] <lamont__> amd64 is only 29 hours into the build... do you suppose it hung?
[05:43] <lamont__> GCONV_PATH=/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/iconvdata LC_ALL=C   /build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/elf/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --library-path /build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/math:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/elf:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/dlfcn:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/nss:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3
[05:43] <lamont__> .5/build-tree/amd64-libc/nis:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/rt:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/resolv:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/crypt:/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/nptl /build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/inet/test-ifaddrs  > /build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/inet/test-ifaddrs.out
[05:43] <lamont__> OK... so can we just kill test-ifaddrs????
[05:43] <infinity> Bah, 29 hours is normal!
[05:43] <lamont__> infinity: it's not an m68k box
[05:43] <lamont__> glibc_2.3.5-1ubuntu6_20050614-1139       00:20:50 (12 entries, sigma 00:04:02)
[05:43] <infinity> (It's not normal on m68k, either... glibc isn't that big)
[05:43] <doko> infinity: you don't build for m68k ...
[05:44] <jbailey> lamont__: Right, or possibly just fix the kernel.
[05:44] <jbailey> lamont__: But yeah, I think I'll prune test-ifaddrs
[05:45] <infinity> (Also, sbuild doesn't pull the list from build-essential, since that wouldn't work at all)
[05:45] <infinity> You would just get the gcc/g++ metapackages, not the current gcc-X.X...
[05:46] <infinity> And no binutils.
[05:46] <infinity> On the flipside, you'd get dpkg-dev, which I've been considering adding to the list to log ever since keybuk started seriously screwing with us. :/
[05:46] <lamont__>                 foreach $name (@main::toolchain_pkgs) {
[05:46] <jbailey> Bah, busybox-cvs fails because of old binutils.  (Me cries at the thought of wondering why it worked before....)
[05:46] <jbailey> infinity: *please*
[05:47] <lamont__> @toolchain_regex = ( 'binutils$', 'gcc-[\d.] +$', 'g\+\+-[\d.] +$', 'libstdc\+\+', 'libc[\d.] +-dev$', 'linux-kernel-headers$' );
[05:47] <infinity> Yeahp.  That's the one.
[05:48] <lamont__> I'll add dpkg-dev now
[05:48] <lamont__> then pester elmo about breezy-test, and push a config this week sometime
[05:48] <infinity> Thanks.  I need to branch your arch repo and start merging in meuro's changes.
[05:48] <lamont__> yes.
[05:48] <infinity> neuro, too.
[05:48] <lamont__> upstream neuro is there, so it's really a 3-way merge
[05:49] <lamont__> jbailey: want any more packages while I'm there?
[05:50] <jbailey> I don't think so, nothing else has been getting churn that usually sits in the chroots that I can think of.
[05:50] <lamont__> note that we do a dist-upgrade of all the chroots starting shortly(heh) after 0215 DCT
[05:52] <lamont__> and that's still pending on yellow, because of glibc.
[05:53] <lamont__> glibc_2.3.5-1ubuntu6_20050614-1139       02:33:52 (13 entries, sigma 07:59:40)
[05:53] <lamont__> GO test-ifaddrs
[05:53] <jbailey> Joy
[05:53] <lamont__> infinity: pushing a mirror to chinstrap now
[05:54] <jbailey> Yeah, I'll prune it next time around.
[05:54] <jbailey> I'll also bump the build-dep to 2.16 to avoid the strip error.
[05:54] <lamont__> and fix hppa's missing directory. :-)
[05:56] <lamont__> mirror fresh
[05:56] <infinity> lamont__ : Huzzah.
[05:57] <lamont__> hppa finally passed sparc for %installed
[05:57] <lamont__> which reminds me...
[05:58] <jbailey> lamont__: Wow.
[05:59] <lamont__> jbailey: actually, I've been watching #installed the last couple of days...
[06:00] <lamont__> hppa:Total 3342 Installed.
[06:00] <lamont__> hppa:Total 2842 Needs-Build.
[06:00] <lamont__> hppa:Total 6184
[06:00] <lamont__> sparc:Total 3312 Installed.
[06:00] <lamont__> sparc:Total 2905 Needs-Build.
[06:00] <lamont__> sparc:Total 6217
[06:00] <jbailey> Nice!
[06:00] <jbailey> Are thos eboth on track for breezy then?
[06:00] <lamont__> that is, it's a relative-suckage thing
[06:01] <lamont__> I really need to make some time to see about arts (and 4? others) ICE.
[06:01] <lamont__> which kinda blocks a large chunk of main
[06:01] <jbailey> Bah, just not-for-us them...
[06:01] <jbailey> ;)
[06:09] <jbailey> You have to admit...
[06:09] <jbailey> A Christmas tree is probably really cheap right now.
[06:10] <infinity> Much more unexpected when you chop down the one in the neighbour's front yard in July...
[06:10] <infinity> Erm..   I'll poke that in the next upload.
[07:37] <fabbione> jbailey: it builds, but it doesn't create the .debs
[07:37] <fabbione> jbailey: so it's FTBFS
[07:38] <fabbione> the overall is still exactly where i did show you
[07:38] <fabbione> lamont__: eh.. hopefully numerbs will change soon.. i am getting another buildd :)
[07:39] <lamont__> fabbione: ditto. :-)
[07:39] <lamont__> although I may have to wait for monday before I can scrounge good hardware
[07:39] <fabbione> i will get it sometime during this week
[07:39] <fabbione> so i can finally dedicate one machine to main and one to universe :)
[07:45] <jbailey> fabbione: Is that the usual split?
[07:45] <fabbione> jbailey: ?
[07:46] <fabbione> jbailey: you mean for building?
[07:46] <jbailey> Yes, sorry. =)
[07:47] <fabbione> jbailey: yeah
[07:48] <jbailey> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp-libc/usr/lib/librpcsvc.a': No such file or directory
[07:48] <jbailey> wha?
[07:49] <fabbione> jbailey: funny eh?
[07:49] <jbailey> Oh!
[07:49] <jbailey> That'll be fixed in the next build too. =)
[07:49] <jbailey> It doesn't build any of the sunrpc stuff when cross compiling.
[07:50] <fabbione> uh ? cross compiling?
[07:50] <fabbione> i don't want to know
[07:50] <jbailey> I set the libc_configure_target=sparcv9-linux
[07:51] <jbailey> _build was still set to sparc-linux
[07:51] <jbailey> different processors == cross compiling.
[07:51] <jbailey> Even if its on the same glibc.
[07:51] <jbailey> err gcc.
[07:51] <fabbione> TRALLLAAAAAAAAAAAAA LAAAAA
[07:51] <fabbione> TRALLLAAAAAAAAAAAAA LAAAAA'
[07:51] <fabbione> TRALLLAAAAAAAAAAAAA LAAAAA'
[07:51] <fabbione> eheh ok
[07:51] <fabbione> stick the source somewhere
[07:51] <fabbione> so i can do a test build
[07:52] <jbailey> It'll be pulsed out at :33 (Unliekly to make :03), mind just fetching it then?
[07:52] <fabbione> jbailey: oh you already upload?
[07:52] <fabbione> than it's ok
[07:52] <fabbione> i understood you wanted me to test before
[07:52] <jbailey> No, I'm still running a test.
[07:53] <jbailey> I'd just like you to start it before you go to sleep.
[07:53] <fabbione> ok
[07:53] <jbailey> That way when I get up in the morning, I'll have testsuite results.
[07:55] <fabbione> hm ok
[07:55] <fabbione> i guess i will have to come later to start it
[07:55] <jbailey> Okay, lemme send you the source then.
[07:55] <jbailey> Sheesh
[07:55] <jbailey> ;)
[07:55] <fabbione> jbailey: that's fine.. i can wait
[07:56] <jbailey> I don't want your wife to hurt me for making you come back.
[07:56] <fabbione> it's just the mirror round-robin adds at least one hour
[07:56] <jbailey> Can I safely drop the .diff.gz and .dsc in ~ on the sparc buildd?
[07:56] <fabbione> yup
[07:57] <jbailey> YAR BLOODY STUPID KERNEL BUG
[07:57] <jbailey> lamont__: Well, it doesn't seem to be test-ifaddrs that's the problem.
[07:57] <jbailey> lamont__: Removing it, I happened to get the failure on the test immediately after it.
[07:57] <jbailey> And lucky me on ppc64, it seems to prevent me from running sudo
[07:58] <jbailey> fabbione: Is there any way to catch state information at this point, or should I just hit the power button like I usually do?
[07:58] <lamont__> jbailey: so nuke the test _before_ test-ifaddrs :-)
[07:58] <jbailey> lamont__: Ayup =)
[07:59] <fabbione> jbailey: ctrl+sysrq+s ?
[07:59] <jbailey> That might explain why noone's been able to hunt this down, though.
[07:59] <fabbione> bah i can't never remember the sequences
[07:59] <jbailey> Which one is sysrq on a mac keyboard?
[07:59] <fabbione> MEHHH
[07:59] <fabbione> no idea
[07:59] <fabbione> i think it's the same where it says: "HIT HERE TO POWER OFF THE MACHINE"
[08:00] <fabbione> i never had a ppc
[08:00] <fabbione> so i dunno
[08:00] <fabbione> but i will be glad to host a few here at home :)
[08:01] <jbailey> fabbione: So, yeah, best to come back.  This package isn't baked yet.
[08:01] <jbailey> How long until you go to bed?
[08:01] <fabbione> 2/3 hours
[08:01] <fabbione> but i can still build it if you put the sources on vultus5
[08:01] <jbailey> Okay good, so I have time for another full run with the testsuite to make sure there isn't some place after this that I need to remove the test too.
[08:02] <fabbione> ok
[08:02] <jbailey> Yeah, I'll do that.  The .diff and .dsc safe to drop in ~ ?
[08:02] <fabbione> yup
[08:12] <jbailey> fabbione: I've uploaded it.
[08:13] <jbailey> fabbione: err, scp'd it rather.
[08:13] <fabbione> jbailey: rocking
[08:13] <fabbione> yeah
[08:13] <jbailey> fabbione: With any luck this will be what I upload, even. =)
[08:13] <jbailey> It's off of a 'debuild', not debuild -S
[08:14] <fabbione> i will build it.. if you add or change i will just rebuild
[08:14] <fabbione> otherwise we can test/upload that set of packages
[08:14] <jbailey> Thanks.
[08:14] <jbailey> Yup
[08:14] <fabbione> i have no issues building glibc..
[08:15] <fabbione> it's relatively fast :)
[08:15] <jbailey> What's the usual time that it takes?
[08:16] <fabbione> 7 hours more or less
[08:16] <fabbione> but it might take longer
[08:16] <jbailey> Nice, so it might be finished before I go to bed.
[08:17] <fabbione> i doubt.. it takes 7 hours when it builds alone
[08:17] <fabbione> it's running in parallel now
[08:17] <fabbione> but it has been ccached with the previous run
[08:17] <fabbione> so it's a tricky build :)
[08:17] <fabbione> anyway it's already building
[08:20] <jbailey> Cool
[08:20] <jbailey> I'm off to get food, back in a bit.
[08:20] <fabbione> sure later
[08:32] <jbailey> *Sigh*
[08:32] <jbailey> Killing the previous test doesn't do it either.
[08:32] <jbailey> Then test-ifaddrs kills it.
[08:32] <jbailey> I've never hit this bug so many times in a row
[08:35] <fabbione> i am off :)


[00:00] <h00k> ah, SIGBART in raise()
[00:00]  * h00k reports bug.
[00:07] <scarrs> is there a way to save in other formats in GIMP 2.8?
[00:08] <trism> scarrs: yeah but you have to export
[00:27] <h00k> so, it's good right now on gnome-shell, I may just use this until the blinky nautilus dealio is fixed.
[00:30] <h00k> nautilus still draws the desktop, yes? Or is that a unity thing?
[00:30] <h00k> I knew once, but forgot.
[00:30] <histo> h00k: I believe nautilus handles folders on the desktop in addition to file manager
[00:32] <h00k> histo: okay. It's the...whatever is drawing the wallpaper that I'm having issues with.
[00:32] <h00k> and handles tooltips and things. Probably compiz/unity.
[00:35] <histo> h00k: yeah nautilus does not draw the wallpaper
[00:43] <h00k> yeah, whatever is drawing the desktop keeps flickering with a few seconds inbetween each crash/restart. I'm not sure what it is.
[01:35] <scarrs> sound just broke, help?
[03:16] <cc11rocks> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2OTk : "...Canonical wants to drop the number of ISOs they produce and ship -- in order to reduce their support/QA burden and also for lightening up the mirror/FTP servers...Features like cryptsetup and LVM (Logical Volume Manager) support are being integrated into the graphical Ubiquity installer for Ubuntu 12.10, but it's not yet at a 100% parity to what's offered by the alternate
[03:16] <cc11rocks>  CD with the Debian Installer. " Does anyone know of any updates about LVM support in the Ubiquity installer?
[03:19] <trism> cc11rocks: it is supposed to be in by beta 1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-ubiquity-lvm-luks (but I don't know the current status, besides what is listed)
[03:19] <cc11rocks> Yay! Thank you trism
[03:36] <LarsN> anyone running VMWare Workstation or Parallels 6 have links to the magic they used to get the software to install properly?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> ok i really like when you launchand decide something from the launcher and the app folds (twist)
[04:38] <gnomefreak> it pnly works when you bring an app into focus (min)but the app has to be running
[04:41] <gnomefreak> damn indicater* apps whants to be removed
[04:41] <gnomefreak> due to upgrade indicator-messages
[05:31] <gnomefreak> anyone one have a clue as to add the indicater-weather app on the upper bar
[10:55] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[10:58] <smartboyhw> Howdy
[12:42] <scarrs> anybody else lose sound recently?
[12:42] <scarrs> help?
[13:19] <vega-> does the nvidia prop driver work with the display settings preferences in 12.10 ?
[13:20] <vega-> so one does not have to play around with nvidia-settings anymore?
[13:21] <vega-> a sentence in the release notes ("The proprietary -nvidia driver now supports the RANDR standard for monitor configuration.") might indicate something like this?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> vega-,the nvidia-current driver is now working , 304.43 .. no need to DL the proprietary , just instll the current driver in the terminal and reboot
[14:04] <user82> !info kdewallpapers
[14:04] <user82> does this work?=
[15:52] <wilee-nilee> test
[18:30] <crf> hi, gnome-panel is leaking memory. I'd like to try to make a bug report. Can someone help me with getting a memory profile of the application
[18:30] <crf> like it says here https://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction/Tools/GetValgrindInToughPlaces
[18:34] <trism> crf: unfortunately you can't just deselect gnome-panel from the options with recent gnome-session-properties, however if you open a terminal and: killall gnome-panel; several times in a row the fail whale will get it and it won't restart, then you can run it in valgrind
[18:35] <crf> ah ... ok
[18:35] <crf> that's handy to know, thanks
[20:04] <edgy> Hi, I choose a screensaver and locked the screen and the screensaver disappear quickly and I got the kde background, confirm?
[20:56] <hash> I have Ubuntu 12.10 alpha 2 installed on my laptop that requires an Efi boot. It has grubx64.efi installed. Is there a difference in alpha 3?
[22:08] <ironhalik> If I uderstand it correctly, messaging menu has been reworked in 12.10?
[22:08] <ironhalik> at least the back-end?


[02:03] <awmcclain> Is there a reason why bzr for os x doesn't give any feedback during a branch operation?
[02:25] <spiv> PyCon registration is open: http://us.pycon.org/2008/registration/
[02:25] <spiv> awmcclain: no good reason, it's a bug
[02:26] <spiv> awmcclain: (a bug that happens on all platforms)
[02:26] <awmcclain> spiv: When I branched on linux, i got a status bar. At least when branching from svn...
[02:27] <spiv> awmcclain: hmm, I don't think there should be any difference between mac and linux for status bars.
[02:27] <awmcclain> spiv: I'll look into it.
[02:43] <poolie> hello kiko
[02:52] <kiko> hey poolie
[02:52] <poolie> hi, are you home now?
[04:16] <guillaumebokiau> trying to install with macports, but installing macports itself doesn't seem to work. (port: command not found)
[04:16] <guillaumebokiau> any advice?
[04:19] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, i think you need to install the macports dmg
[04:19] <guillaumebokiau> which i did  :|
[04:19] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, http://www.macports.org/install.php -- then you'll have a port command
[04:19] <poolie> hm
[04:19] <poolie> is it on your $PATH?
[04:19] <poolie> you might need to start a new terminal window?
[04:20] <guillaumebokiau> i even rebooted
[04:20] <guillaumebokiau> what is $path ?
[04:20] <guillaumebokiau> sorry, not very good at those things :/
[04:21] <poolie> please type 'echo $PATH'
[04:21] <poolie> into your terminal
[04:22] <poolie> also, 'echo $0'
[04:22] <poolie> (and press enter)
[04:22] <guillaumebokiau> \Library\Frameworks\Python.framework\Versions\Current\bin:\bin:\sbin:\usr\bin:\usr\sbin
[04:22] <poolie> see, http://guide.macports.org/#installing.shell
[04:23] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, ok, that's probably your problem
[04:23] <poolie> try the instructions there
[04:23] <guillaumebokiau> ok, thx
[04:30] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, did that work?
[04:30] <guillaumebokiau> trying to figure this out :)
[04:31] <poolie> guillaumebokiau, just for curiousity, why are you using macports rather than a dmg?
[04:31] <poolie> did we not have one that would suit?
[04:31] <guillaumebokiau> isn't the dmg for ppc ?
[04:31] <guillaumebokiau> i'm on intel
[04:31] <guillaumebokiau> 10,4
[04:32] <poolie> ok
[04:32] <poolie> yes, that's it
[04:32] <igc> the dmg should be universal I think
[04:32] <poolie> i mean, i wondered if that was the problem
[04:32] <poolie> we need someone with a intel 10.4 mac to rebuild it
[04:33] <guillaumebokiau> i tried with the ppc dmg anyway, but it didn't work
[04:36] <igc> guillaumebokiau: yes, checking again, the 10.4 installer is only ppc only right now sorry
[04:37] <guillaumebokiau> there's no other way to install it?
[04:37] <guillaumebokiau> than with macports?
[04:37] <igc> guillaumebokiau: running straight from source is really easy actually
[04:38] <igc> simply untar and put the directory on your path
[04:38] <igc> you'll need to install Python 2.4 or 2.5 separately
[04:38] <guillaumebokiau> installed that
[04:38] <igc> in not already installed
[04:38] <igc> s/in/if/
[04:38] <guillaumebokiau> er, what's my 'path' ?
[04:39] <guillaumebokiau> (i'm really new to all this)
[04:39] <igc> it's where your terminal looks for commands you type
[04:39] <guillaumebokiau> that : \Library\Frameworks\Python.framework\Versions\Current\bin:\bin:\sbin:\usr\bin:\usr\sbin ?
[04:39] <igc> you can create a file in your home directory to set it each time you start a terminal session
[04:40] <bob2> guillaumebokiau: when you type "bzr", your shell looks in each of the directorys in the PATH variable (:-seperated) for that command
[04:40] <igc> without setting a path just yet, let's test it works
[04:41] <igc> unpack the tar.gz
[04:41] <igc> change to the created directory and ..
[04:41] <igc> type "./bzr version"
[04:42] <guillaumebokiau> have a hard time following. where do I unpack?
[04:42] <igc> anywhere you like ...
[04:42] <igc> If you double-click ...
[04:42] <guillaumebokiau> ok, it's on my desktop :)
[04:43] <igc> cool
[04:43] <igc> in a terminal, change into that directory
[04:43] <igc> try "./bzr version"
[04:45] <igc> guillaumebokiau: did that work?
[04:46] <guillaumebokiau> hang on :)
[04:46] <igc> the directory to change into is something like "Desktop/bzr-1.1"
[04:47] <guillaumebokiau> ok, i'm there
[04:47] <guillaumebokiau> ~/Desktop/bzr-1.1
[04:48] <igc> great
[04:48] <igc> does "./bzr" work?
[04:48] <guillaumebokiau> yes!
[04:48] <igc> sweet
[04:48] <guillaumebokiau> cool
[04:48] <igc> now let's put it on your path
[04:48] <igc> type this:
[04:48] <guillaumebokiau> yeah
[04:49] <igc> PATH=~/Desktop/bzr-1.1:$PATH
[04:49] <igc> then change to another directory and try "bzr"
[04:49] <guillaumebokiau> it"s on the path when i echo it
[04:50] <guillaumebokiau> working
[04:50] <guillaumebokiau> great
[04:50] <igc> ok, let's make it permanent
[04:50] <igc> type "cd" to return to your home directory
[04:50] <guillaumebokiau> done
[04:50] <guillaumebokiau> should i copy the folder there?
[04:51] <igc> with your text editor, create a file called ".prfile" if it doesn't already exist
[04:51] <igc> oops ...
[04:51] <igc> make that .profile
[04:51] <igc> inside it put this text ...
[04:52] <igc> PATH=~/Desktop/bzr-1.1:$PATH
[04:52] <igc> export PATH
[04:52] <igc> (that's it)
[04:52] <igc> to test ...
[04:52] <igc> start another Terminal, in a tab or new Window
[04:52] <igc> type "bzr"
[04:52] <igc> sound ok?
[04:53] <guillaumebokiau> bzr command not found :(
[04:54] <igc> ok ...
[04:54] <igc> type "echo $PATH"
[04:54] <guillaumebokiau> it's not in it
[04:54] <bob2> maybe ~/.bashrc would be better, .profile is only sourced on "login"
[04:54] <igc> good point
[04:55] <bob2> depending on what os x considers login to be
[04:55] <guillaumebokiau> i hav a .bash_profile file
[04:56] <igc> guillaumebokiau: try putting those 2 lines in there then
[04:56] <guillaumebokiau> k
[04:57] <guillaumebokiau> ok, i got it working
[04:57] <guillaumebokiau> pfew
[04:57] <igc> good
[04:57] <guillaumebokiau> i think the correct line was PATH="~/.bzr-1.1:${PATH}"
[04:58] <guillaumebokiau> anyway, i thanks a lot
[04:58] <igc> that ok
[04:58] <igc> either syntax should work
[04:58] <guillaumebokiau> you saved me :)
[04:58] <igc> let us know if you need any more help
[04:58] <igc> no problem
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #184733 in bzr "Internal error running bzr selftest for bzr 1.1 on MacOS X 10.5.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184733
[05:24] <guillaumebokiau> where does bazaar save local copies ?
[05:24] <poolie> into .bzr in the top of the branch
[05:25] <guillaumebokiau> not sure you understood the question :) if I run bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~manfre/xpattern/xpattern-1.0 where does it land ?
[05:26] <guillaumebokiau> ah, found
[05:26] <guillaumebokiau> ok, sorry, i'm officially stupid
[05:27] <poolie> right, into your working directory
[05:27] <poolie> no problem, questions are welcome
[05:52] <eean> how come it says Unable to load plugin 'bzr_svn_0_4_6' from '/home/ian/.bazaar/plugins' ?
[05:52] <eean> when trying to do a bzr svn clone
[05:52] <eean> I do have the plugin there
[05:53] <spiv> eean: look in ~/.bzr.log
[05:54] <spiv> eean: it should have a more detailed error
[05:54] <eean> ImportError: The Subversion plugin must be installed as bzrlib.plugins.svn not bzrlib.plugins.bzr_svn_0_4_6
[05:54] <eean> so I'll rename the directory I guess
[05:54] <spiv> Right.
[05:55] <eean> there it goes
[05:55] <eean> I hear it doesn't have a memory leak anymore
[05:55] <eean> appears so, so far
[05:56] <eean> hmm
[05:56] <eean> it is increasing in memory steadily :/
[05:57] <spiv> eean: it depends on how new your subversion bindings for python are
[05:57] <eean> aaaah
[05:58] <eean> spiv: do you happen to know how new they have to be?
[05:58] <eean> it is not using crazy amounts of memory like it used to, but its certainly still leaking.
[05:59] <spiv> eean: SVN version of the as of about or week or so ago, IIRC
[05:59] <eean> that would make sense that the subversion bindings would be to blame, I didn't understand how a python script could leak. so its probably something in the c bindings
[05:59] <eean> haha crap
[05:59] <spiv> eean: I think the bzr-svn README links to the relevant bug
[05:59] <eean> riddell blogged before then that it had been fixed in bzr-svn
[05:59] <spiv> eean: I think newer bzr-svn tries to workaround the worst of it, but obviously it can only do so much...
[06:00] <eean> I see
[06:00] <spiv> eean: yeah, see the first part of the FAQ in the bzr-svn source :)
[06:00] <spiv> "bzr-svn can use a lot of memory cloning big branches when older
[06:00] <spiv> versions of the python-subversion bindings are used. This memory leak
[06:00] <spiv> has been fixed in the trunk of Subversion (r28544) and has been
[06:00] <spiv> proposed for inclusion in Subversion 1.4.7.
[06:00] <spiv> "
[06:01] <eean> oh wow, its subversion itself to blame?
[06:01] <spiv> eean: it's possible this fix has already been included hardy, I haven't checked...
[06:01] <eean> well I use gutsy
[06:01] <spiv> eean: right, the python bindings are made by the subversion guys.
[06:01] <eean> ah ok
[06:02] <eean> I can probably make due if I quit and redo every 100000 commits
[06:02] <spiv> Yeah :)
[06:03] <eean> before it would eat all my memory at about 1000
[06:03] <eean> git svn is giving me shit, so this is a good time to switch ;)
[06:04] <spiv> :)
[06:05] <eean> I guess this bug has probably made bzr svn clone pretty robust at restarting
[06:05] <eean> git svn couldn't deal with the svn server timing out, after about 30 minutes of cloning :/
[06:07] <eean> pfft, or not. "bzr: ERROR: sqlite3.OperationalError: SQL logic error or missing database"
[06:08] <spiv> eean: ooh, I haven't seen that one before.
[06:08] <eean> http://pastie.caboo.se/141399
[06:08] <eean> on resuming
[06:08] <spiv> eean: could you file a bug report?  I expect jelmer would like to see that.
[06:08] <eean>  /dev/sda8              44G   42G  1.7M 100% /home
[06:08] <eean> might explain it :)
[06:08] <spiv> eean: ah :)
[06:24] <eean> will I be able to share this checkout with other devs?
[06:24] <eean> I'm kind of worried that it appears to be downloading into ~/.bazaar
[06:25] <spiv> eean: yes
[06:25] <spiv> eean: the stuff in .bazaar is just a cache of the mapping between data the SVN repo and the data converted to bzr
[06:26] <spiv> eean: if the cache is missing or incomplete, bzr-svn will just regenerate it as needed.
[06:30] <eeanm> bah my laptop power cord got loose
[06:30] <eeanm> spiv: did you say anything after 'yes'?
[06:30] <spiv> eeanm: I did, I'll paste:
[06:30] <spiv> 17:25 < spiv> eean: the stuff in .bazaar is just a cache of the mapping between data the SVN repo and the data converted to bzr
[06:30] <spiv> 17:26 < spiv> eean: if the cache is missing or incomplete, bzr-svn will just regenerate it as needed.
[06:31] <eeanm> um that mapping the hard part
[06:31] <eeanm> um *isn't that mapping the hard part
[06:35] <eeanm> at least when you're cloning a 2.5k LOC, 200 commit module from a SVN with >700000 commits
[06:35] <bob2> yes, but people branching from your bzr repository won't need it, all they need is in the bzr repository
[06:35] <eeanm> the mapping is a big chunk :|
[06:36] <spiv> eeanm: people only need the mapping if they want to use the SVN repo
[06:36] <eeanm> well yea
[06:37] <spiv> eeanm: I can e.g. take your bzr branch, and make a branch off that, make some commits, and send those back to you, all without touching the upstream SVN repo.
[06:37] <eeanm> suppose I could do it that way, but it'd be nice if folks could push to svn themselves
[06:37] <spiv> They'll need the mapping then.
[06:38] <eeanm> won't be such a big deal once this memory leak fix is availabe
[06:38] <spiv> You can probably share the cache from your .bazaar directory.
[06:39] <eeanm> sounds like bzr has their act more together then git, we try publishing a git svn repo, someone commited something that they didn't end up pushing to SVN, it totally screwed it up
[06:39] <eeanm> would be nice to have feature branching in bzr that could be easily synced with svn
[06:41] <eeanm> (that's what we were trying to do with git)
[06:42] <poolie> eeanm, well, that should work through bzr-svn
[06:57] <eeanm> dang the cache is up to 771 megabytes
[06:58] <poolie> how big is the svn repo?
[06:59] <eeanm> >700000 commits
[06:59] <eeanm> 764k
[06:59] <eeanm> I'm up to 421k
[07:07] <eeanm> sqlite> select count( * ) from changed_path;
[07:07] <eeanm> 3578513
[07:08] <eeanm> probably has something to do with it :)
[07:25] <eean> 529215/764151 woot
[07:54]  * igc dinner
[08:33] <eean> the svn clone is soo near completion, and now its just hanging apparently :)
[08:33] <eean> erm
[08:33] <eean> :(
[08:38] <AfC> eean: Is the Subversion repository in question public? If it is, I'm sure people will be willing to attempt to replicate the problem.
[08:39] <eean> yea, its KDE
[08:39] <eean> ah ok cool
[08:39] <eean> nevermind
[08:39] <eean> now its "analyzing layout"
[08:40] <eean> about 4 minutes there when it didn't respond, I was  worried :)
[08:40] <eean> heh analyzing layout is going to take an hour or so it looks like. at least it doesn't leak memory.
[08:41] <eean> ah no, that's not true, more like 15 minutes I bet, its already 1/7 done
[08:49] <lifeless> hi
[08:55] <lifeless> jelmer: sorry, missed that in backlog, only saw your ^^, what was it ?
[08:56] <AfC> eean: You might want to reply to poolie's RFC about finer grained progress reporting on the mailing list today and note your experience of long waits without feedback
[09:30] <asabil> hi all
[09:32] <lifeless> hi
[10:43] <lifeless> abentley: hi
[10:43] <lifeless> abentley: how is sydney :)
[10:43] <abentley> Quite nice.
[10:43] <abentley> Weather's definitely superior to Toronto's.
[10:44] <abentley> Although pretty similar to Toronto in summertime.
[10:44] <thumper> lifeless: it is hot and muggy
[10:44] <thumper> too hot and too muggy
[10:44] <thumper> but that's from my Dunedin point of view
[10:44] <abentley> This is the first sprint I've ever done without you, though, which is a bit wierd.
[10:45] <abentley> thumper: Toronto in the summertime can be quite muggy, too.  We're on the edge of Lake Ontario, one of the Great Lakes.
[10:45] <lifeless> thumper: unedin is easily as humid; its the heat that does it
[10:49] <muffinresearch> Greetings chaps.
[10:51] <muffinresearch> Are the London sprint dates set in stone? Just it clashes with SXSWi in part.
[10:51] <muffinresearch> Though in any case I would try a pop along on the Monday if I can
[10:52] <thumper> muffinresearch: what is SXSWi?
[10:52] <muffinresearch> south by south west
[10:52] <muffinresearch> http://sxsw.com
[10:56] <muffinresearch> Is coming to the sprint, a good idea for people who want to start getting more involved?
[10:58] <asabil> http://ifaedi.insa-lyon.fr/~asabil/bzr-viz-tags.png
[11:00] <muffinresearch> Or is it more of a closed event for current core developers?
[13:44] <eean> does bzr svn not follow svn moves?
[13:44]  * eean looks at the website again
[13:45] <jrydberg_> svn does not have move
[13:46] <eean> um, yes it does
[13:46] <jrydberg_> it has copy, iirc.
[13:46] <eean> and move
[13:46] <eean> but anyways
[13:46] <eean> its possible either way
[13:46] <Akheron> it has sime kind of add with history?
[13:46] <eean> does bzr not follow them?
[13:46] <eean> Akheron: yes
[13:47] <jelmer> eean: svn only has copy+delete
[13:47] <eean> that sounds awfully like moving to me
[13:47] <eean> and there is a svn move command
[13:47] <jelmer> eean: in order to be able to convert a copy+delete to a rename you have to prove there is only one copy of a file and that the original was removed
[13:47] <eean> I don't care if its seen as a rename or not
[13:48] <jelmer> "svn move" is an alias for "svn copy"+"svn delete"
[13:48] <eean> but it thinks this 8 month old project is only a day old
[13:48] <eean> since it was copied+deleted yesterday
[13:48] <jelmer> it should follow copies of branches
[13:49] <jelmer> (if you copy /trunk to /tags/2.0 it should recognize that)
[13:49] <eean> ah ok, well it didn't. I'll double check the svn log
[13:50] <jelmer> is this a public repository?
[13:50] <eean> yes
[13:50] <eean> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia/dragonplayer
[13:51] <eean> well svn log tracks its history through all the reneames
[13:51] <jelmer> ah, the KDE repository
[13:52] <eean> this project is entirely post-CVS if that's what you're thinking :)
[13:52] <eean> I heard that conversion messed some things up
[13:52] <jelmer> At the moment the copy tracking only works for the current "branching scheme"
[13:52] <eean> ah
[13:52] <jelmer> by default that's the standard /trunk ; branches/* ; tags/* structure
[13:53] <asabil> jelmer: is that what you wanted : http://ifaedi.insa-lyon.fr/~asabil/bzr-viz-tags.png ?
[13:53] <eean> jelmer: can you add this as a known problem?
[13:53] <jelmer> eean: We're trying to make that deal with other situations as well, but that won't happen until 0.5.0
[13:53] <eean> cause I just wasted 3 hours last night, restarting bzr svn constantly :|
[13:53] <jelmer> eean: There's already a bug for it
[13:54] <asabil> (iirc I had a discussion yesterday with you and Schierbeck)
[13:54] <eean> I mean, on the website
[13:54] <jelmer> asabil: Ah, that looks quite nice
[13:54] <jelmer> eean: will do, thanks
[13:55] <asabil> jelmer: want a branch to give it a try?
[13:55] <eean> cool thank you
[13:55] <jelmer> asabil: any chance you can send an email to the bzr-gtk list?
[13:55] <asabil> jelmer: I am not subscribed :/
[13:55] <jelmer> asabil: Should be easy to do :-) Otherwise I can manually approve your email
[13:56] <asabil> jelmer: I was subscribed a while ago
[13:56] <asabil> but the list is very high traffic for me
[13:56] <jelmer> asabil: it's a lot quieter these days :-/
[13:56] <eean> jelmer: do you plan on optimizing how you use the sqlite database? I suppose personally I don't optimize until after I'm finished, so I can't blame you for not. :)
[13:57] <eean> cause for KDE its 1.9gigs
[13:57] <jelmer> eean: the focus so far has mostly been on correctness
[13:57] <jelmer> eean: hopefully we can cache less in the near future
[13:58] <rjek> corrections is paramount: performance is a bonus.  Especially in this sort of product.
[13:58] <eean> right
[13:58] <rjek> s/corrections/correctness/
[14:04] <asabil> jelmer: https://code.launchpad.net/~asabil/bzr-gtk/viz-tags-fancy
[14:04] <asabil> jelmer: please feel free to mail the list about it, if you want
[14:04] <asabil> I am busy with other things right now sorry
[14:05] <asabil> I edited the branch summary to point to the screenshot
[14:32] <schierbeck> asabil: hello!
[14:33] <asabil> hey schierbeck
[14:33] <asabil> schierbeck: https://code.launchpad.net/~asabil/bzr-gtk/viz-tags-fancy
[14:33] <schierbeck> i've just seen it, great job!
[14:33] <schierbeck> are you on the mailing list?
[14:35] <asabil> nop schierbeck
[14:35] <asabil> please feel free to mail the list about it if you want
[14:35] <asabil> and thanks :)
[14:36] <schierbeck> i'm currently looking into some small changes, like decreasing the font size, having the tags stack horizontally so they're all visible, and using a single color for all tags
[14:37] <asabil> decreasing the font size is as simple as
[14:38] <asabil> tag_layout.set_markup("<small>" + tag + "</small>")
[14:38] <asabil> instead of tag_layout.set_text(...)
[14:38] <asabil> (but am not sure if you want to use tags)
[14:39] <asabil> making the tags stack horizontally is a matter of changing x0 and leaving y0 fixed
[15:05] <schierbeck> asabil: ok, i've made a few changes, they should be at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/viz-tags
[15:10] <asabil> schierbeck: did you try the code with many tags ?
[15:10] <asabil> there is too much space between the tags I think
[15:10] <schierbeck> asabil: only with two -- i'll check it out now
[15:11] <asabil> but it looks nicer indeed
[15:11] <asabil> there is just one issue
[15:11] <asabil> I am not sure about using markups
[15:11] <schierbeck> yeah, it screws up
[15:11] <asabil> as it might blow up if ^evil^ developers decide to use pango markup in their tags :D
[15:12] <schierbeck> asabil: we'll just escape the tag text
[15:12] <schierbeck> we do that with the summary already
[15:12] <asabil> if it is just about making the text smaller
[15:12] <schierbeck> no, it's also about tooltips and such
[15:12] <asabil> you can set the font directly
[15:12] <asabil> oh ok
[15:13] <cr3> how can I apply a bzr diff between releases 239 and 240 for example?
[15:13] <luks> "apply"?
[15:14] <cr3> bzr revert -r239..240?
[15:14] <dato> cr3: bzr merge -r 239..240
[15:14] <dato> or -r 240..239, depending on what you want
[15:15] <cr3> dato: cheers, exactly what I was looking for
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183821 in bzr-svn "bzr branch fails with AssertionError in parse_revid_property" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183821
[15:17] <schierbeck> asabil: try pulling again
[15:18] <schierbeck> it seems to be working now
[15:18] <asabil> imho it looks better
[15:19] <asabil> :)
[15:19] <schierbeck> asabil: would you be able to make the label have a single, common color?
[15:19] <schierbeck> like a yellow, post-it-ish one?
[15:19] <asabil> I am not sure if it is good idea
[15:20] <schierbeck> i think it would be more aesthetically pleasing
[15:20] <asabil> so we need to decide on a color then
[15:20] <schierbeck> yup
[15:20] <asabil> a hardcode color :p
[15:20] <schierbeck> :D
[15:21] <fullermd> You could make it a red/blue offset, and sell 30-cent cardboard/gel glasses, so people can see them in 3-D!
[15:21] <schierbeck> :x
[15:22] <schierbeck> there may lie a few usability issues right there... :)
[15:22] <schierbeck> although it would be kick-ass!
[15:23] <fullermd> I can just see the reviews, though...   "I liked bzr overall, but it felt like the tags were attacking me."
[15:23] <schierbeck> fuck, i always seem to get excited about these projects when i'm studying... my exam is on wednesday!
[15:24] <fullermd> Heck, that's _days_ away...  plenty of time   ;>
[15:24] <schierbeck> fullermd: we'd still be less scary than git...
[15:24] <fullermd> Yeah.  git would be 3-d, but would sneak up from behind you.
[15:26] <schierbeck> yup, and it would hold you down until you iterated all available git commands
[15:26] <jelmer> schierbeck: That sounds familiar...
[15:27] <fullermd> "Say 'git-fmt-merge-msg'!  *SLAP*  SAY 'git-fmt-merge-msg'!!!"
[15:27] <jelmer> for some reason the time I'm most productive is the days before I have a deadline or an exam or something
[15:27] <schierbeck> jelmer: me too, it's just that i'm not studying
[15:27] <schierbeck> everything else seems so damn interesting in comparison!
[15:28] <fullermd> Well, I've got this project you could do some work on...  would cure that little problem RIGHT up   :p
[15:28] <schierbeck> zzzzzZZZzzz
[15:28] <schierbeck> huh.. what?
[15:29] <schierbeck> :)
[15:30] <jelmer> :-)
[15:30] <schierbeck> jelmer: have you checked out my additions to asabil's whoop-cake awesome work?
[15:30] <schierbeck> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/viz-tags
[15:30] <jelmer> not yet
[15:31] <schierbeck> it's on the team repo, so you guys can write to it
[15:31] <jelmer> thanks, will have a look
[15:31] <schierbeck> :)
[15:34] <asabil> schierbeck: you can pull from my branch
[15:34] <asabil> the colour is yellow now
[15:36] <schierbeck> cool!
[15:38] <schierbeck> asabil: that looks great! i've merged it into the ~bzr-gtk branch
[15:38] <schierbeck> you should be able to pull
[15:38] <jelmer> schierbeck: ? Your branch you mean?
[15:39] <schierbeck> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-gtk/bzr-gtk/viz-tags
[15:48] <Bwoaas> Hi all. I have a question regarding 'commit --local' in 0.90.0. When I use it, I keep getting conflicts, and now I am wondering if I am using it in the correct way.
[15:48] <Bwoaas> Currently I do:
[15:48] <Bwoaas> bzr co sftp://[snip]
[15:48] <Bwoaas> bzr ci --local
[15:48] <Bwoaas> bzr ci
[15:48] <Bwoaas> and this is where I get conflicts
[15:48] <asabil> schierbeck: can you pull again please ?
[15:49] <schierbeck> asabil: sure
[15:49] <asabil> not very sure if it looks better
[15:49] <asabil> fell free to test it
[15:49] <asabil> also maybe you want to delete the tag that I added and forgot to remove :
[15:49] <asabil> :D
[15:49] <asabil> the Woot tag
[15:50] <schierbeck> cool!
[15:50] <schierbeck> the holes could be a bit bigger, though
[15:50] <schierbeck> jelmer: new patch sent to the ml, it's pretty trivial
[15:50] <asabil> schierbeck: they don't look nice when bigger
[15:51] <asabil> maybe you can try
[15:51] <schierbeck> ok
[15:57] <schierbeck> asabil: okay, i've made them a bit larger
[15:57] <schierbeck> pull them in
[15:57] <asabil> yep that's better :D
[15:58] <schierbeck> do you think we can adjust the position of the hole?
[15:58] <schierbeck> it's just a tad too high
[15:58] <asabil> I think it looks perfect to me
[15:58] <asabil> it is right in the middle
[15:58] <schierbeck> yeah, could be i'm wrong -- such things depend on the screen and whatnot
[15:58] <asabil> oO how can it be high ?
[15:59] <schierbeck> asabil: many such things are psychological -- sometimes you need to bend things to make them look even
[15:59] <asabil> :/
[15:59] <schierbeck> :)
[16:00] <asabil> oh and btw, I am not sure you needed a bzr merge
[16:00] <asabil> you could have used bzr pull
[16:00] <schierbeck> nah, you forgot to pull my merger
[16:00] <schierbeck> i tried
[16:00] <asabil> because there was no divergence
[16:01] <schierbeck> look at the graph -- i had already merged with your branch once, hence there was a revision in my branch that wasn't in yours
[16:02] <asabil> oh ok sorry
[16:02] <asabil> didn't notice
[16:27] <schierbeck> np :)
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #178108 in bzr-svn "Implement SvnRepository.find_branches()" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178108
[16:59] <schierbeck> asabil: do you think the branch is ready to be merged into trunk?
[16:59] <asabil> schierbeck: yep, I don't see any big issue
[16:59] <schierbeck> then i'll make a merge request
[17:00] <asabil> cool :)
[17:00] <asabil> next time I might make the tags corner rounded :D
[17:00]  * asabil is a bling addict
[17:04] <schierbeck> asabil: i thought about it, too -- it would be cool
[17:04] <schierbeck> btw, sign up for the mailing list
[17:05] <fullermd> And it should be a cube!  That you can spin!
[17:05] <asabil> schierbeck: the ML is too high traffic for me
[17:05] <asabil> schierbeck: I was subscribed
[17:06] <asabil> fullermd: lol
[17:06] <schierbeck> it's not that high traffic atm...
[17:06] <asabil> ok ok I will subscribe again
[17:06] <jelmer> it's about 40 messages per month these days
[17:06] <lifeless> jelmer: hi, sorry I haven't gotten you on pqm yet
[17:07] <jelmer> 'morning lifeless
[17:07] <jelmer> lifeless: no hurry; would be nice to be able to use pqm at some point though
[17:07] <lifeless> jelmer: I'm in London this week; so we can chat in the same timezone (FSVO same)
[17:08] <jelmer> ah, ok
[17:09] <asabil> schierbeck: I am subscribed
[17:09] <asabil> to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:10] <schierbeck> nah, it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:12] <asabil> ah oki
[17:14] <asabil> done
[17:28] <welterde> is there a command to view the gpg-signature of a commit?
[17:30] <jelmer> welterde: not yet afaik
[17:32] <welterde> jelmer: hmm... how strong is the authentication of the commits? eg. do they depend on a hash of the commit-data, on the previous commits?
[17:32] <welterde> (like git for example)
[17:34] <jelmer> welterde: afaik both
[17:35] <welterde> hmm.. so manipulating a older revision would be detected?
[17:35] <jelmer> yes
[17:35] <jelmer> at the moment, there isn't any functionality to check signatures though
[17:37] <welterde> but gpg-signatures are checked afair, or not?
[17:37] <jelmer> I don't think they are either
[17:38] <welterde> ah.. is an extra plugin
[17:50] <lifeless> welterde: commit signatures do not transitively verify older history
[17:50] <lifeless> welterde: this is deliberate
[17:51] <lifeless> welterde: as it allows partial history environments to be verified
[17:53] <yacc> Just wondering, is it possible to store the whoami value on a per project basis?
[17:56] <lifeless> sure; you can probably set it in branch.conf; or url based in locations.conf
[17:58] <welterde> lifeless: so no protection against a manipulated bzr branch?
[17:58] <lifeless> welterde: uh, sure there is protection; just sign the commits for the history as well
[17:59] <welterde> hmm... yeah... but besides that there is none?
[18:00] <lifeless> I'm not sure what you're getting at
[18:01] <welterde> if someones stops by and manipulates the unsigned history, that wouldnt be detected, right?
[18:02] <welterde> (manipulates in a way the checkout changes)
[18:14] <welterde> does bzr leak ip-addresses on any operation?
[18:19] <lifeless> welterde: 'leak'?
[18:19] <welterde> lifeless: like, being noted somewhere
[18:19] <welterde> inside of commits or something like that
[18:20] <lifeless> it may record them in your !/.bzr.log; and the commiter name is derived from your username and hostname by default
[18:20] <welterde> which can be changed with bzr whoami
[18:22] <lifeless> right
[18:23] <welterde> lifeless: but signing one commit doesnt automaticly "sign" all of the commits before :/
[18:23] <lifeless> right
[18:23] <lifeless> you can bzr sign-my-commits though if you haven't been signing them
[18:24] <welterde> and when the person, of whom the commits are, is not reachable?
[18:24] <welterde> thus cant sign his commits?
[18:27] <welterde> lifeless: and can i sign commits which just have a name?
[18:27] <welterde> eg. from a cvs-import
[18:28] <lifeless> sure; I'm off to dinner now, have fun
[18:31] <Peng> welterde: You might also want to change your bazaar.conf/locations.conf/branch.conf to require signatures. See the docs.
[18:32] <welterde> Peng: yeah... know that
[18:52] <Enquest> is there a way to get some stats out of bazaar... Like how many lines of code has been changed the last day or period?
[18:54] <james_w> Enquest: apart from 'bzr info' there is nothing that I know of.
[18:54] <Enquest> maybe that would be a cool thing to get into it.
[18:55] <james_w> However the example you mention could be approximated by piping something like 'bzr diff -rdate:yesterday' to diffstat
[18:56] <james_w> I agree it would be interesting. It would work very nicely as a plugin I expect.
[18:56] <beuno> Enquest, and there is a stats plugins which shows mostly per-user stuff:  http://bzr.arbash-meinel.com/plugins/stats
[19:31] <elmo> Copying repository content as tarball...
[19:31] <elmo> bzr: ERROR: Tags not supported by BzrBranch5('file:///home/james/scratch/trunk/'); you may be able to use bzr upgrade --dirstate-tags.
[19:31] <elmo> why does bzr hate me?
[19:32] <fullermd> It's your shoes.
[19:42] <elmo> wtf
[19:42] <elmo> if I rsync the entire dir, and bzr branch locally it works
[19:42] <elmo> bzr makes me CRY
[19:43] <Peng> elmo: Bzr version? Smart server? Shared repo?
[19:43] <fullermd> Smart server, I suspect.
[19:44] <elmo> bzr 1.0, bzr+ssh (so I guess smart?), and yes, shared repo I think
[19:44] <fullermd> An incarnation of bug 173002.
[19:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173002 in bzr "Branching from hpss doesn't preserve non-repository formats" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173002
[19:44] <Peng> Ah.
[19:44] <Peng> Does that affect bzr+http too?
[19:45] <fullermd> I presume it affects bzr+anything.
[19:45] <elmo> shall I followup to the bug?
[19:45] <fullermd> I dunno why your bzr 1.0 would try to make a branch5 branch, though.
[19:46] <fullermd> It should go with the default, which is branch6.
[19:46] <fullermd> Please.
[19:48] <Peng> You may have been the person who said "no" last time I asked, but is there an easy way to "upgrade" from branc6 to branch5?
[19:48] <Peng> branch6*
[19:48] <elmo> I didn't create the repo on the other end
[19:48] <fullermd> You can pull.  It may even not bother giving you an error if there are no tags.
[19:51] <dysinger> Heh! morning.
[19:52] <dysinger> Anyone in here on OS X Leopard? (I presume most of you are on Ubuntu/Debian.)
[19:53] <dysinger> Jelmer I updated the wiki page several times last week.  I never did get it 100% right.  Hopefully I can keep bugging people on Leopard to try it out....
[19:53] <dysinger> (it being bzr-svn)
[19:53] <elmo> bah.  sorry, I somehow ended up on gutsy bzr instead of 1.0
[19:53] <elmo> 1.0 works
[19:53] <fullermd> Well, 1.0 works by coincidence.
[19:54] <fullermd> It happens to use branch6 in its default format, so you don't hit the same problem.
[19:54] <Peng> God, Canonical owns our souls. Bazaar, Ubuntu, Launchpad...
[19:54] <fullermd> It's till a bug that it doesn't preserve the remote format.
[19:54] <elmo> fullermd: ah, ok - so still follow up?
[19:54] <dato> Peng: and that is ontopic how?
[19:54] <Peng> dato: It's not. :)
[19:54] <fullermd> He's fishing for bribes to keep quiet about it.
[19:55] <fullermd> Maybe the common criticism is wrong; bzr needs MORE format changes, to keep those sort of bugs in the forefront and high on the priority stack   ;)
[20:15] <schierbeck> jelmer: ping
[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #184898 in bzr "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'abort'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184898
[21:19] <welterde> are gpg-signatures pushed yet?
[21:21] <welterde> *over existing non-signed commits
[22:24] <BasicOSX> Is there a way to test bzr's email plugin? I think my upstream smtp server is rejecting relaying, but I want to confirm. Some sort of debug output from the plugin?
[22:30] <james_w> BasicOSX: you could look in ~/.bzr.log
[22:50] <igc> morning
[23:00] <luislavena> hello everybody.
[23:00] <luislavena> is there a way (simpler) to change the commit messages? (4 or 5 revisions)
[23:01] <aklaver> I asked yesterday about the location of the latest debs. Set my repositories to PPA. The problem is there does not seem to be a *.deb for Dapper.
[23:03] <jelmer> dysinger: thanks for the wiki updates
[23:03] <dysinger> jelmer np - I just wish it worked perfectly -
[23:04] <jelmer> dysinger: what's not working?
[23:04] <dysinger> for some reason ssl svn access through bzr dosen't work
[23:04] <dysinger> neon installs, svn 1.5 installs, svn 1.5 + ssl works
[23:04] <dysinger> but not bzr-svn ssl
[23:04] <jelmer> even using the svn+https:// prefix?
[23:04] <dysinger> n
[23:05] <dysinger> I am just hoping for more people trying it soon.
[23:05] <dysinger> It dumps out of python.
[23:05] <jelmer> oh, what error?
[23:06] <dysinger> some stack trace - I didn't study it closely.  I can go back to it soon and give specifics - it's nothing that was real clear to me what the problem was.
[23:07] <dysinger> You can see from the wiki, I am using bzr-svn "stable" repo - is this ok?
[23:07] <jelmer> dysinger: yeah, "stable" is just a symlink to the 0.4 branch
[23:07] <jelmer> dysinger: seeing the backtrace may help debug this problem
[23:14] <dysinger> ok hold on 2 minutes jelmer, i'll get it.
[23:21] <jelmer> ok
[23:25] <dysinger> I am installing again fresh
[23:25] <dysinger> I spent time reading through the svn/neon INSTALL docs
[23:25] <dysinger> so I think I have that part right
[23:26] <dysinger> I think this is some sort of problem with Apple's python or something.
[23:26] <jelmer> if it'
[23:26] <jelmer> s giving you a python backtrace, chances are it may be a bzr-svn bug
[23:26] <dysinger> ah ok
[23:38] <dysinger> OK I have svn 1.5 + neon installed with openssl support - all check-swig-py tests pass.  svn --version reveals 1.5 with https support.  I can checkout https://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk with svn 1.5 no problem.  No for the stack dump on bzr-svn
[23:46] <dysinger> So just like it says in the wiki bzr checkout --lightweight http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk test works
[23:46] <dysinger> jelmer notice no ssl
[23:46] <dysinger> one sec and running ssl
[23:50] <dysinger> jelmer I get
[23:50] <dysinger> bzr checkout --lightweight \
[23:50] <dysinger> >   https://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk test
[23:50] <dysinger> Assertion failed: (g->gc.gc_refs != _PyGC_REFS_UNTRACKED), function instancemethod_dealloc, file Objects/classobject.c, line 2285.
[23:50] <dysinger> Abort trap
[23:52] <dysinger> The apple core dump pop up gives me this
[23:52] <dysinger> http://pastie.caboo.se/141720
[23:57] <dysinger> that's all - I don't know what to do know.
[23:57] <dysinger> now
[23:57] <dysinger> s/know/now/g
[23:57] <dysinger> lolz


[01:32] <ali1234> does anyone know if the xorg developer conference has a live stream?
[02:52] <OERIAS> Tea Time
[06:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:51] <Myrtti> moin brobostigon
[06:51] <brobostigon> guten morgen Myrtti
[08:23] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:24] <davmor2> Todays tune is a mix of I got the power, park life and bitter sweet symphony
[08:24] <foobarry> hmm
[08:25] <foobarry> i got the park life, thats life
[08:30] <awilkins> Where does Evolution keep it's config?
[08:30] <foobarry> .local/share/evolution?
[08:32] <awilkins> Hummph
[08:32] <awilkins> Can't seem to delete it
[08:32] <awilkins> I guess it pulls accounts from the accounts things
[08:33] <foobarry> kill the evolution data server?
[08:33] <foobarry> lsof ?
[08:33] <awilkins> Ah
[08:34] <awilkins> Ok, that's annoying, added a new account and it doesn't show up until you kill the evolution processes
[08:34] <foobarry> i don't think evolution has evolved in about 10yrs
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> ironic really :-)
[08:35] <awilkins> It won't log in anyway
[08:36]  * awilkins logs in with Outlook to check if he's locked his account out with Basic when he should have used NTLM
[08:36] <awilkins> Not locked out
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Octopus Day! :-D
[08:39] <zmoylan-pi> donate a squid today to help
[08:39] <Myrtti> there is some files in .config
[08:39] <diddledan_> I had sick squid once
[08:39] <diddledan_> I spent it on sweets
[08:48] <awilkins> Well, the EWS plugin for Evolution doesn't work for me, and I'm leaving this Exchange-based job in 3 weeks anyway
[08:49] <awilkins> Thus ends my most recent flirtation with Evolution as a mail client
[08:49] <davmor2> JamesTait: does that mean we all have an excuse to see roger moore fly a plane from a horse butt again?
[08:50] <foobarry> as an adult i realised that roger moore is the most wooden actor ever
[08:50] <foobarry> as a child i thought he was cool
[08:51] <JamesTait> davmor2, what you do in your spare time is your business. ;)
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> last time i was condemned to use outlook i just made it forward all email to gmail and got gmail to spoof outgoing email as from the outlook domain.  cut down on the driving me bonkers
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> i used to quite like outlook express as it didn't get in the way
[08:56] <foobarry> lots of jobs going. who wants one?
[08:56] <foobarry> windows, linux, storage, vmware, hpc,
[09:03] <foobarry> https://www.hpc.qmul.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/HPC/VacantPosts
[09:08] <Laney> who manages freenode cloaks? #freenode?
[09:08] <Laney> I noticed that I'm pdpc.active still ...
[09:10] <jussi> Laney: I think so
[09:10] <dutchie> Laney: yeah
[09:10] <Laney> oh hey jussi, congrats ;-)
[09:10] <jussi> hi Laney! thanks!
[09:10] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:11] <dutchie> strange coincidence, i just ditched my pdpc supporter cloak
[09:11] <jussi> tired, but good :)
[09:12] <Myrtti> last time I was condemned to use Exchange and had to use Evolution, when I was finally released from the pain, I fell on my knees of gratitude and got palm sized bruises on them
[09:18] <popey> mmmm palm
[09:20] <jussi> Laney: hows things over there?
[09:20] <Laney> tickin' over
[09:21] <Laney> been trying to buy a house for ages
[09:21] <Laney> beer festival on friday \o/
[09:22] <Laney> http://www.beerfestival.nottinghamcamra.org/Assets_pdf/BF2014_Beer_Prog_Notes.pdf
[09:23] <jussi> Laney: yay! beer!
[09:24] <Laney> actually it starts today, tempted to have a preview ...
[09:24] <jussi> Laney: :D
[09:24] <jussi> hullo popey :)
[09:28] <popey> yo
[09:49] <directhex> wife has ordered her new tablet. total cost: £1.75
[09:49] <directhex> tesco hudl's economics make no sense
[09:51] <zmoylan-pi> you spend a lot in tescos then
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> so they already made their money and it was rsting in their accounts, unless the tax man came looking of course :-)
[09:54] <popey> directhex: is that the new x86 one?
[09:54] <directhex> yes
[09:54] <popey> iiiinteresting
[09:54] <NET||abuse> hmm, having trouble compiling gource, fairly standard setup, just keep getting configure: error: Could not link against -lGLU !
[09:55] <popey> be interested to try and get ubuntu on one of them
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> what's the battery life like?
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> you just hear x86 and you can imagine the battery gauge dropping as you look at it
[10:00] <popey> directhex: is that with lots of tesco points or something
[10:00] <directhex> popey: yes
[10:00] <popey> heh
[10:00] <popey> do you know who makes them for tesco?
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> and now they can monitor your browsing habits and target you better :-)
[10:01] <directhex> popey: there's a 2:1 gearing on clubcard vouchers when buying hudl or accessories, so £129 cash or £64.50 clubcard vouchers
[10:01] <directhex> popey: i believe it's top secret.
[10:01] <directhex> (archos)
[10:01] <directhex> well, archos made hudl 1 anyway, afaik
[10:01] <directhex> ( http://www.archos.com/corporate/press/press_releases/archos_OEM_STRATEGY_en.pdf )
[10:04] <NET||abuse> what's the best tablet going right now? If I weren't to get a nexus 7, what would I get, or is it just stick with the nexus 7?
[10:04] <NET||abuse> not too fussed about size, 7,8 or 10" is all fine
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> i'm quite happy with asus 7" i got from argos cheap
[10:05] <NET||abuse> I had the old nexus7 model, but it got crushed in my hand luggage on a flight :(
[10:05] <directhex> NET||abuse: best full stop, or best on a given budget, or best for a given use case?
[10:05] <NET||abuse> directhex, yeh, i had a feeling that would be the reality of it:(  what's the best full sstop?
[10:06] <NET||abuse> then i'll think about budget :)
[10:06] <NET||abuse> sticking with android too
[10:06] <directhex> everyone still loves ipads, right?
[10:06] <directhex> rumour is there's a new htc-made nexus tablet coming soon
[10:06] <NET||abuse> haha, burn the mac's!
[10:06] <Myrtti> I certainly hope it's coming soon
[10:07] <Myrtti> I've already told my niece to hold on to her money and instead of getting a non-Retina iPad Mini wait until that Nexus Tablet is out
[10:07] <directhex> i can't argue with hudl economics, even if it sucks
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> my only must haves for a tablet are memory card slot, a case to put it in, 7+ hour battery life, gps
[10:25] <NET||abuse> hard to decide on what to do.
[10:25] <NET||abuse> the rumours say new nexus THIS month!
[10:25] <NET||abuse> nice
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> Can the hudl be rooted/hacked?
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> NET||abuse: But it's HTC...yuck.
[10:25] <NET||abuse> TwistedLucidity, the first htc desires were some of my favourite phones.. will have to wait and se
[10:26] <NET||abuse> the htc one didn't quite hit the spec points but ultimately people seemed possitive on it's build quality
[10:26] <TwistedLucidity> I have an HTC Desire X. Piece of garbage. Various broken account/DAV implementations and no updates. It's so bad, I will try to avoud any NTC products in the future.
[10:27] <NET||abuse> TwistedLucidity, well, hopefully the software side is purely driven by google.
[10:29] <awilkins> Indeed ; HTC hardware isn't bad
[10:29] <awilkins> The ex-wife has a Desire Z
[10:29] <awilkins> It's lasted her years
[10:30] <awilkins> Daughter has a Hudl 1
[10:36] <popey> haha, hudle works out at £39 for me
[10:37] <foobarry> in vouchers?
[10:37] <foobarry> hmm. was gonna spend my vouchers on rac recovery
[10:37] <popey> yeah, 129 -> 39
[10:38] <foobarry> hmm
[10:38] <foobarry> hudl 2?
[10:38] <popey> yes
[10:38] <awilkins> I'm happy with my 2012 N7
[10:39] <awilkins> I'd really only consider a Hudl if it was Cyanogen-able
[10:39] <foobarry> i will get a hudl when my hp touchpad dies
[10:39] <popey> ditto ubuntu-able
[10:39] <awilkins> And my N7 was broken or the battery life was so degraded that it made me want to cry
[10:39] <foobarry> my wifes samsung galaxy 10.1 is so slow
[10:39] <Myrtti> I should CM my 2012
[10:40] <Myrtti> although I suspect most of the problem is due to 2.4GHz wifi
[10:40] <foobarry> i wish it was easier to decrapify android
[10:40] <awilkins> If they don't release official Android L for my N4 and N7 I probably will CM them
[10:40] <Myrtti> awilkins: they won't
[10:40] <foobarry> android is nearer windows than linux
[10:40] <Myrtti> the cycle has been two years
[10:40] <awilkins> Myrtti, Yeah, I hate that... especially since I hear they are testing it on N4s inside Mountain View.
[10:41] <awilkins> Myrtti, But marketroids will be marketroids
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> well you add java to anything and performace is going to drop :-)
[10:41] <awilkins> There's no technical reason not to - L is supposed to improve performance a lot, and they already have all the kernel drivers
[10:42] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, The new execution environment is supposed to take care of that by doing AOT compiles instead of JIT
[10:42] <Myrtti> I wish the application developers would give ART some love too
[10:56] <foobarry> daughter took her first steps \o/
[10:57] <christel> \o/
[10:57] <christel> hooray
[10:57] <foobarry> about time
[10:57] <foobarry> she's 19 months
[10:57] <foobarry> suddenly she stood up and took 2 steps towards me. "WIFEY I THINK ITS TIME!"
[10:57] <christel> :)
[10:57] <foobarry> then she did a performance for the phone
[11:00]  * christel claps
[11:00] <christel> clever girl!
[11:05] <Seeker`> Does anyone have any recommendations for a colo service near oxford?
[12:44] <foobarry> got a building question
[12:44] <foobarry> does anyone know about submitting to building control?
[12:45] <foobarry> talks about full plans and building notice. nor sure which one i am supposed to do
[12:46] <brobostigon> any ideas, i am getitng a "500 ssl read timeout" in irssi, ?
[13:08]  * popey wonders if directhex is watching https://evolve.xamarin.com/live
[13:09]  * brobostigon is watching nick clegg talking.
[13:09] <popey> pfft
[13:09] <directhex> popey: i am now
[13:09] <popey> he has nothing remotely interesting to say
[13:10] <brobostigon> i said exactly that, about cameron last week.
[13:21] <Seeker`> you could say that about all politicians
[13:22] <brobostigon> varies, some do, some dont.
[13:23] <Seeker`> Boris is ok
[13:23] <Seeker`> on HIGNFY
[13:23]  * awilkins also listening to Clegg
[13:23] <awilkins> Boris is an evil sod that plays the amiable buffoon well
[13:24] <brobostigon> i saw a good nickname in private eye for my local mp, a few weeks ago, sir tony baldrick.
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> isn't baldrick enough of a curse?
[13:39] <brobostigon> i can think of better. :)
[13:41] <brobostigon> remeber when baldrick stood as an mp, in a rotten borough? it was clearly inspired by that.
[13:42] <Seeker`> baldrick was PM
[13:42] <brobostigon> the current PM ?
[13:42] <Seeker`> didn't you see Blackadder Back and Forth?
[13:43] <brobostigon> yes, i did. i was pulling a joke.
[13:43] <brobostigon> comparingour current PM to baldrick.
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> and baldrick as mp was black adder iii
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> pfft, philistines :-)
[13:46] <brobostigon> :)
[13:47] <brobostigon> stood against william pitt.
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> and still not as funny as yes minister for understanding politics :-D
[13:48] <brobostigon> :)
[13:48] <brobostigon> agreed.
[13:48] <brobostigon> and its sequal.
[14:02] <Seeker`> The Thick of It was better :P
[14:31] <awilkins> Does this work on Chromium or is it missing some vital evil DRM thing? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/netflix-linux-html5-support-plugins
[14:31] <davmor2> Seeker`: wibble
[14:32] <davmor2> Seeker`: Yes minister was funnier though
[14:38] <dutchie> awilkins: it is missing some vital evil drm thing
[14:38] <awilkins> dutchie, Yeah, that was the conclusion I came to
[14:38] <awilkins> No "WidevineCDM"
[14:38] <dutchie> real chrome works fine
[14:38] <awilkins> Installing the standard vessel of evil that is Chrome
[14:39] <awilkins> Might have to tickle libnss
[14:39] <dutchie> shouldn't have to
[14:39] <dutchie> it works fine for me with the UA tweak
[14:40] <awilkins> Yeah, I heard the update was getting put into trusty-updates
[14:42] <awilkins> And holy cow it worked
[14:59] <popey> directhex: that was super interesting stuff
[15:00] <popey> directhex: lusting after some of that stuff on ubuntu now ㋛
[15:00] <directhex> popey: for app dev, yeah. i can't see some of those deep analytics things being popular in FOSS, but for the end user, "i know exactly where & why your app crashed, i just uploaded a fix" without user intervention is super nice
[15:05] <popey> yeah, for enterprise apps, very much so
[15:08] <directhex> not sure how much other in-the-oven newness is being announced at Evolve, given the keynote's over
[17:32] <DJones> Myrtti: Do you remember a conversation a month or so back about google streetview cameras being used in museums etc? How this...Google Camelview...http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29540190 Must be interesting seeing miles & miles of sand dunes
[17:33] <Myrtti> cool
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> must be interesting image stabilisation?
[17:38]  * zmoylan-pi awaits the day some person who wants to be very rich releases a tiny cheap gps/wifi ssid location that'll hang on a cats collar and charge upload images wirelessly :-)
[17:42] <ali1234> alreday been done
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen cameras but not low intervention (wireless charging and uploading) so it requires depending on the cat some effort to put on and take off
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> i still have scars from changing one cats flea collars from 30 years ago :-)
[17:48] <daftykins> hmm, the game 'Dragon Age - Origins' is free on EA's nasty 'Origin' game client right now
[17:49] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n2nuxf4uw8sk8nz/originsfromorigin.png?dl=0
[17:49] <daftykins> a platform that claims my 40Mb tubes can pull down at this speed 0o
[20:20] <popey> which SSD do we generally recommend these days?
[20:20] <popey> Still Intel?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: Samsung are good too. And Crucial's M500 range (though that might be old, check for their newest)
[20:31] <davmor2> popey: Samsung
[20:32] <directhex> M550 is current
[20:32] <directhex> i'm looking at a Sandisk in my next machine. wife has sandisk currently
[20:32] <directhex> there are not many 1T black-and-red SSDs.
[20:45] <popey> dangerously close to buying this telly http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00HZAVAC0
[20:48] <davmor2> popey: this is obviously what you want http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-UE40HU6900-inch-Smart-Built/dp/B00JWTVSQU ;)
[20:48] <popey> lolz
[20:50] <davmor2> popey: is that a no?  just image the gfx improvement you would see on minecraft ;)  /me waits for the long string of lolz :D
[20:50] <popey> heh
[20:51] <foobarry> arrrgh
[20:51] <foobarry> getting an extension is stressful
[20:52] <popey> why do all TV's have only 2 HDMI
[20:52] <foobarry> so much technical stuff i don't understand
[20:53] <Azelphur> Thanks EA https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=91dcb0ad261c2801ce58e33974e57a4a
[20:53] <Myrtti> coz you're supposed to have a AVR that you plug your things into and you plug that into the tv
[20:54] <popey> our local cinema is being made out of minecraft blocks https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10710895_10202697903113777_7732062336306266502_n.jpg?oh=42bf4b4ce0cf32671eb4c3f5967471d3&oe=54B394FE
[21:16] <davmor2> popey: nice
[21:52] <popey> decided to hold back for a bit
[21:54] <diddledan> kill all the usb: http://blog.lumension.com/9442/unpatchable-badusb-malware-code-is-now-publicly-available
[21:58] <ali1234> remember to also kill any PS/2 keyboard port as well, since they have exactly the same vulnerability
[21:58] <ali1234> namely, that you can plug a keyboard in to them


[00:00] <robho-neo> hey guys
[00:01] <robho-neo> anyone on that typically attends the Akron Ubuntu Hour? Have a co-worker that is interested in coming, but wants to make sure his drive is worth it
[00:01] <Cheri703> I go to the mansfield one :)
[00:02] <robho-neo> we're just trying to get a feel for what goes on at the meeting
[00:03] <robho-neo> We're discussing going to the one next week, we're both going to the NEOISF meeting in Independence tomorrow night
[00:03] <robho-neo> brb
[00:18] <robho-neo> back for a few
[00:19] <robho-neo> Cheri, what do you folks do at the Mansfield Hour?
[00:24] <Cheri703> we just hang out and chat, various stuff, sometimes ubuntu, sometimes computers in general, if someone has a question or issue we'll help out. we're a SMALL group right now
[00:54] <TheErk> Greetings programs!
[00:57] <Unit193> Hey TheErk!
[01:03] <TheErk> Hello Unit193 .  How are you functioning?
[01:03] <Cheri703> TheErk: how's things?
[01:04] <Unit193> TheErk: Not bad, playing a game...
[01:07] <robho-neo> hey TheErk Unit193 Cheri703
[01:07] <robho-neo> I did some digging on the ubuntu forums about the issue we were chatting about last night
[01:08] <Cheri703> yeah?
[01:08] <robho-neo> two common fixes I've seen have been to use Ionice and WICD
[01:09] <robho-neo> thoughts?
[01:10] <Cheri703> no clue
[01:10] <robho-neo> I was going to give it a go tonight when I get home from work, but have no idea what either of those do exactly (haven't had time to research it deeply)
[01:14] <Unit193> How did the LiveCD go?
[01:17] <robho-neo> Haven't had a chance to do that either
[01:17] <robho-neo> crummy work schedule is crummy
[01:17] <robho-neo> going to give that a go tonight as a matter of fact
[01:18] <robho-neo> something else I remembered after I logged off last night was: When performing a large file operation (like copying say, 10GB of data from an external HDD) the entire system slows to a crawl, is that normal?
[01:18] <robho-neo> that has happened on numerous fresh installs since 9.04
[01:29] <robho-neo> I'll touch base with you folks in an hour or so, leaving work now.
[01:46] <Cheri703> I'm going to be messing with partitions on my computer tonight...should be interesting...
[01:46] <TheErk> remove them
[01:46] <TheErk> you don't need em
[01:46] <TheErk> rm -vf *
[01:46] <TheErk> Fixes any issue
[01:47] <Cheri703> ha, no
[01:48] <Cheri703> going to dual boot with 10.10
[01:49] <TheErk> 10.10 and what?
[01:51] <Cheri703> 10.04
[01:52] <Cheri703> I use 10.04 generally, but need to familiarize myself with 10.10, as I'm going to be training some people, want to dual-boot because previously, when using 10.10, I had issues, so am being cautious
[01:53] <Unit193> Dang finch!
[03:01] <dmcglone> Hello
[03:04] <Cheri703> ah, 10.10
[03:07]  * canthus13 just got a 500GB hd for his lappy today... may install 10.10 to see how badly it breaks...
[03:09] <Cheri703> yeah, I made a separate partition for it, so we'll see how it goes
[03:14] <dmcglone> I'm trying to reserve the library room and it will not let me because I'm using firefox.. Dang it!!!
[03:17] <BiosElement> Fail
[03:17] <BiosElement> Reminds me, T-Mobile's site doesn't support "Safari"...it's chrome, not safari. :P
[03:17] <BiosElement> Yay for lame devs
[03:18] <canthus13> Doesn't support webkit.
[03:18] <canthus13> silly.
[03:19] <BiosElement> Yes, very.
[03:20] <BiosElement> I fired up konqueror, disabled the browserid and it worked fine :P
[03:20] <dmcglone> Well not only is the site giving me fits, I also forgot my library pin #
[03:21] <dmcglone> BiosElement: it all works until you go to register the room, then it fails
[03:21] <BiosElement> Fun fun
[03:22] <canthus13> Hmm.. mebbe I'll install Debian with my new drive instead...
[03:22] <dmcglone> have fun with that
[03:22] <canthus13> dmcglone: From what I've been reading, 10.04 and up have issues with the broadcom STA drivers.  I really don't want to deal with that.
[03:23] <dmcglone> I don't blame you
[03:44] <dmcglone> Ok I'm out. Catch you all tomorrow hopefully
[19:16] <robho-neo> afternoon folks
[19:17] <robho-neo> anyone have a sec to field a question?
[19:18] <BiosElement> Just ask it, it'll be quicker. ^_^
[19:18] <robho-neo> lol right on
[19:18] <robho-neo> picked up a Linksys E3000 router (my netgear bit it last night after I got home)
[19:18] <robho-neo> and here's my question: My board k9n2gm-fd supports Gig ethernet, the e3000 supports gig ethernet, but I can't figure out how to enable it in Ubuntu 10.10
[19:20] <BiosElement> I'm clueless however, did find this. Not sure how helpful it is. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143982
[19:20] <robho-neo> my google-fu has been iffy today, lol
[19:22] <robho-neo> so it appears that all that is really needed is to change the MTU for the NIC to accept "jumbo frames"
[19:23] <BiosElement> Seems so. Again I claim ignorence heh
[19:23] <robho-neo> me too, that's why I came here to ask
[19:23] <robho-neo> perhaps I should hop into the Ubuntu support IRC to be safe, lol
[19:24] <BiosElement> They might be more helpful
[19:25] <BiosElement> Most of the intelligent folks around here are off at work :P
[19:25] <robho-neo> yeah, I have the day off, lol
[19:25] <robho-neo> aight, well, thanks Bios
[19:25] <robho-neo> wanna get this stuff up and running real soon so I can play some WoW before I head off to the NEOISF meeting
[19:25] <robho-neo> thanks for the hel
[19:25] <robho-neo> help*
[19:26] <BiosElement> Yep. ^_^
[21:49] <thafreak> Finally! I installed the block domains extension in chrome...now I can prevent experts-exchange from showing up in search results!
[21:51] <Cheri703> heh
[21:54] <BiosElement> LOL thafreak
[21:54] <BiosElement> That's the FIRST site I added
[21:55] <BiosElement> Next was scribd
[22:02] <thafreak> seriously, why bother showing it to me in results if I can only see the info if I pay $
[22:02] <thafreak> mega dumb
[22:02] <BiosElement> Because some people will pay
[22:02] <thafreak> canthus13: hey, I got my pogoplug...I think I know why it hasn't been reported to have heat issues...
[22:03] <thafreak> it's relatively large
[22:03] <thafreak> but, the built in software/service is actually pretty neat...
[22:07] <Unit193> You don't *have* to pay for experts-exchange... just set your UA to google bot and go to the end of the page...
[22:09] <canthus13> thafreak: Nice. :)
[22:09] <canthus13> Anyone know how to get wicd to show up in the notification area?
[22:16] <canthus13> bah. I got it up for the moment... dunno if it'll keep working after a reboot, though.
[22:22] <canthus13> Not liking the crap speeds I get from this new wireless card. :(
[22:27] <Cheri703> hooray for GIANT shipping boxes for just a keyboard!
[22:29] <canthus13> Heh.
[22:36] <Cheri703> seriously, like 2'x3'x1', a bunch of brown paper, and A KEYBOARD in a retail box...not even a keyboard/mouse combo -_-
[22:59] <Cheri703> Trying to decide between using the HP recovery partition (that puts a TON of crap/bloatware/whatever on) or just doing a clean generic install of xp home for a client's computer...
[23:50] <Unit193> I take it you can't use Pro? (use the CD)
[23:51] <Cheri703> well...could...I'm contemplating that as well...
[23:53] <Unit193> I guess if it has a home sticker...
[23:55] <Cheri703> eh, we'll see