[05:56] <Squirm> it
[05:56] <Squirm> is
[05:56] <Squirm> cold
[06:14] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:14] <inetpro> hi Squirm
[06:14] <Squirm> hello inetpro
[06:25] <mazal> maaz , tell Kilos http://www.telkommobile.co.za/deals/ and click on " Check out our interactive brochure "
[06:25] <Maaz> mazal: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:27] <psyatw> good morning inetpro
[06:28] <psyatw> hi Squirm
[06:28] <psyatw> hi mazal
[06:28] <inetpro> hi psyatw
[06:30] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:43] <magespawn> good morning
[06:52] <mazal> Morning magespawn
[07:11] <magespawn> any luck with that scanner mazal ?
[07:12] <mazal> Nope magespawn , using it on win for now
[07:12] <mazal> I think it might get supported in later Ubuntu releases
[07:17] <magespawn> i have generally had good experiences with hp products, so they might release something
[07:17] <magespawn> maybe suggest it to them
[07:17] <magespawn> Maaz seen Kilos
[07:17] <Maaz> magespawn: Kilos was last seen 13 hours, 14 minutes and 12 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-07-31 11:03:17 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-07-31 11:03:26 PDT
[07:17] <magespawn> long time for the oom
[07:32] <magespawn> bbl rearragning the shop
[07:32] <magespawn> rearranging
[08:28] <mazal> I need advice from the smart guys
[08:28] <mazal> Scenario: two different pc's
[08:28] <mazal> One 13.04 64bit , the other 12.04 64bit
[08:28] <not_found> install windows
[08:28] <mazal> Both ubuntu
[08:29] <not_found> :p
[08:29] <mazal> I want to have the same /home on both
[08:29] <mazal> My idea: Use an external for /home
[08:29] <barrydk> Goeie more Almal
[08:29] <mazal> Both have same username and user is the first user
[08:30] <mazal> Edit fstab on both machines that /home points to external's uuid
[08:31] <mazal> In theory this should work , BUT , will the fact that one is 12.04 and other is 13.04 cause problems in my home's config files , especially unity and other related configs ?
[08:40] <zeref> Symmetria:
[08:40] <not_found> I would imagine there could be some conflicts... would all depend on the specific applications
[08:42] <mazal> hmm
[08:42] <mazal> What to do
[08:43] <mazal> The reason is I would like to have the same data at home and at work. Email , docs , etc. And this was the only way I could think of
[08:44] <mazal> The only other way would be to do a full install to external and run my whole system from that and boot from usb.
[11:57] <mazal> Sjoe , quiet in here without oom Kilos :(
[12:07] <Trixar_za> Yeah, you guys aren't a very talkative bunch
[12:23] <Kilos> hi superfly mazal inetpro and others
[12:24] <Kilos> i see mage is still gone
[12:24] <mazal> Hi oom Kilos
[12:24] <mazal> Nou net van jou geskinder
[12:24] <Kilos> haha wat het jy gese
[12:24] <mazal> Dis baie stil as oom nie hier is nie :(
[12:24] <Kilos> ek het nuwe 2+1
[12:24] <Kilos> yay
[12:25] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[12:27] <Kilos> sometimes theres an object in your path and sometimes theres lotsa space
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> ello :-)
[12:27] <Kilos> oh ya :-)
[12:28] <mazal> Kilos, bad news , k just bumped way back on the list again hehehe
[12:28] <Kilos> aw
[12:28] <mazal> Between yesterday and today 11 more movies came that needs cleaning. And it looks like I must re-install my current install also
[12:28] <Kilos> kde is all i had working this morningthis is a fresh install
[12:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:29] <Kilos> hi not_found nuvolari
[12:30] <Kilos> or nuvolari not_found
[12:30] <mazal> Every time I am almost up to date another bright idea hits me , and they usually entail lots of work :P
[12:30] <Trixar_za> I'm still on 800MB
[12:30] <Trixar_za> I've been using data less than I normally would and I've been downloading stuff too
[12:30] <Kilos> how did you manage that Trixar_za
[12:31] <Trixar_za> Mostly by not being on the internet for nearly a week :P
[12:31] <not_found> alo
[12:31] <Kilos> lol
[12:31] <Kilos> my net is flying
[12:31] <Kilos> got up to 643kB/s today
[12:32] <mazal> That's very good Kilos , well for SA anyway
[12:33] <not_found> nice :)
[12:34] <not_found> btw uncle Kilos , I can't remember who had issues scanning last time but I just wanted to scan... went to printers, found it and then I could scan
[12:35] <Kilos> it was mazal
[12:35] <inetpro> Kilos: good morning. Btw, you are late!
[12:35] <Kilos> didnt have data inetpro sorry
[12:36] <inetpro> ai!
[12:36] <space> Hello.
[12:42] <Trixar_za> Yeah, it's pretty nice on torrent sites, but I need to update my 3G modem - it's still only 3.6 MBits/s max while 8.ta/Telkom Mobile can handle up to 7.2Mbits/s
[12:47] <Kilos> how does one get into a 3g modems storage part to delete all the wmc stuff there
[12:48] <Kilos> vmc
[12:49] <Kilos> hmm... peer got him
[12:49] <Trixar_za> I've heard of programs that you can use to format it and allow you to install your own
[12:49] <Trixar_za> For ZTE modems anyway
[12:50] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[12:50] <mazal> Bye
[12:50] <Kilos> cheers mazal
[13:09] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:10] <magespawn> for squid does the server have to be physically between the internet and the network, or just set as the proxy in network settings?
[13:10] <magespawn> and the same question for a dhcp and dns server?'
[13:11] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[13:12] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[13:12] <magespawn> ty been busing rearranging the shop
[13:14] <magespawn> i am also looking to boot two laptops via network
[13:14] <magespawn> lots of questions today
[13:20] <magespawn> so with the network boot does the machine with image have to be the dhcp server or can it be another machine?
[13:38] <Kilos> whew they all ignoring you magespawn
[13:38] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, you know what to do hey?
[13:39] <Kilos> ^^
[13:40] <confluency> magespawn: what do you mean by "physically between the internet and the network"?
[13:41] <confluency> AFAIK, the squid server doesn't have to be physically anywhere. As long as the server can access the internet and whatever computer wants to use the squid proxy can access the squid server, it can be a squid server.
[13:42] <confluency> NFI about the network boot; sorry.
[13:52] <Kilos> hmm... he got busy again
[13:52] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[13:52] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[13:54] <magespawn> ty confluency i meant does the proxy server need two network cards one going to the internet and one to the rest of the network
[13:56] <confluency> Are you setting it up as some kind of gateway, so that the internal network can only access the internet through the proxy?
[13:56] <magespawn> i was thinking of that but i won't if it is not necessary
[13:57] <confluency> I'm pretty sure it's not necessary.
[13:57] <magespawn> i do a lot of windows updates for customers machine and was looking to make it faster by caching updates locally
[13:58] <confluency> You can even run a proxy on localhost.
[13:58] <magespawn> never thought of that
[13:59] <confluency> Everyone who has a Linux machine at UCT needs CNTLM to speak to the NTLM proxy, so it's pretty common here.
[14:03] <magespawn> thanks for the input
[14:04] <confluency> I don't actually know anything about networking. :D
[14:04] <confluency> Except some bits I accidentally know.
[14:11] <magespawn> ahh well sometimes it is just another voice that helps and accidentally still counts\
[14:12] <magespawn> i have never set up a squid or any other kind of proxy before
[14:20] <Kilos> magespawn, im trying to install the linux driver for the e220. if i disappear i killed something
[14:29] <magespawn> cool Kilos
[14:33] <magespawn> yay have the quassel back
[14:33] <Kilos> well done
[14:34] <magespawn> just looks like it was not booting properly
[14:38] <Kilos> ill try this again when someone has time i cant get that .tar.gz to convert to a .deb
[14:38] <Kilos> looks so easy when they do it
[14:38] <Kilos> sigh
[14:38] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/205233/how-to-convert-tar-gz-etc-to-deb-format-using-ubucompilator-checkinstall
[14:47] <superfly> you cannot "convert" a .tar.gz to .deb -- it just doesn't work like that
[14:47] <superfly> a .deb contains a whole bunch of information that a .tar.gz just doesn't have. and it  can't make that information up either.
[14:58] <Kilos> isnt the checkinstall a compiler thingie superfly
[14:59] <Kilos> or is that link wrong what they say
[14:59] <superfly> Kilos: yes, it will ask you for a whole bunch of information that you need to create a .deb file
[14:59] <superfly> Kilos: what are trying to break now?
[14:59] <superfly> you should not be trying to install software from a tarball
[14:59] <Kilos> the e220
[15:00] <Kilos> after night off pc dont see it in the morning
[15:00] <superfly> did you pull it out, restart the PC and then plug it back in?
[15:00] <Kilos> its the only linux driver we could find for the e220
[15:00] <superfly> installing extra software is not going to make your PC see the device again
[15:00] <Kilos> yip many times and tried different usb sockets
[15:01] <superfly> Kilos: most hardware does not need a driver, linux already has the driver.
[15:01] <Kilos> ive done a clean install this morning
[15:01] <superfly> Kilos: just because you couldn't see the modem again?
[15:01] <Kilos> im just bang tomorrow morning the e220 is missing again
[15:02] <Kilos> even sakis3g couldnt work with it
[15:02] <Kilos> after install its working again
[15:02] <Kilos> im sure the vodafone stuff in it is sick
[15:02] <superfly> ai oom, when are you going to learn that if a device is suddently "dead", it's probably the device, not your computer. and no amount of software is going to fix it.
[15:03] <Kilos> i took it to win 7 and it worked fine
[15:04] <Kilos> only here it wouldnt
[15:04] <Kilos> and its so lekker fast
[15:05] <Kilos> oh also if i boot into kubuntu its missing as well
[15:05] <Kilos> well not missing but wont connect
[15:06] <superfly> put the device in the freezer
[15:06] <Kilos> hehe and then?
[15:06] <superfly> let it cool off. then try again
[15:06] <superfly> sometimes it overheats
[15:06] <Kilos> its fine now
[15:06] <superfly> happened to mine
[15:07] <Kilos> didnt work first thing in the morning when i booted so no time to get hot
[15:09] <Kilos> oh and all the upgrades and stuff are for windows thats why i was trying to get linux stuff working here for it
[15:10] <Kilos> there is a good tool for fixing modems superfly  but its also a windows thing
[15:10] <Kilos> called mobile doctor
[15:11] <Kilos> does diagnostic stuff and repairs whats no good
[15:14] <magespawn> later all home time
[15:14] <Kilos> cool magespawn
[15:15] <Kilos> oh Trixar_za 8ta has a modem  for R69 a month on contract
[15:16] <Kilos> http://www.telkommobile.co.za/deals/
[15:17] <Kilos> i dunno if you get data with that
[15:18] <Kilos> straight modem buy is R399 at telkom stores
[15:20] <Trixar_za> I'd probably go for a straight buy
[15:20] <Trixar_za> I don't like contracts since you always end up paying more
[15:20] <Kilos> i cant go contracts either
[16:00] <Squirm> 'lo
[16:04] <Vince-0> surp
[16:33] <magespawn> evening
[16:47] <Kilos> hi Squirm Vince-0 magespawn
[16:47] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[16:48] <Vince-0> haai
[18:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:21] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[18:22] <Kilos> koud ne
[18:22] <inetpro> anyone here that can send me a fax?
[18:22] <inetpro> "If you do not use your number within the next thirty days, it will be taken away from you in accordance with ICASA Regulations."
[18:22] <Kilos> can one send one from ubuntu?
[18:23] <Kilos> if so ill help
[18:23] <inetpro> if I knew how I would do it myself
[18:23] <Kilos> haha
[18:24] <Kilos> isnt that option on new cell phones
[18:24] <inetpro> ahh but wait a minute
[18:25] <inetpro> maybe I should make a payment to myself and send a fax statement
[18:26] <Kilos> try that if not ask someone during the day
[18:31] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:31] <Kilos> efax
[18:31] <inetpro> done it now but the fax is not here yet
[18:32] <Kilos> efax is in the repos
[18:32] <inetpro> FAX2EMAIL via<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:32] <Kilos> maybe it dont accept you sending to yourself
[18:32] <inetpro> that is what I use
[18:33] <inetpro> it is free, but for email to fax you have to pay
[18:33] <Kilos> can you then send a fax without a fax machine?
[18:33] <inetpro> I can receive faxes without a machine
[18:34] <inetpro> s/a machine/a fax machine/
[18:34] <Kilos> i will look at efax and see if it can work from here
[18:35] <Kilos> aw it needs a fax modem i think
[18:35] <Kilos> grrr
[18:36] <inetpro> yep
[18:36] <Kilos> sigh sorry
[18:36] <inetpro> but your phone can act as the modem
[18:37]  * inetpro been there done that... many years ago
[18:37] <inetpro> those old nokias could do it
[18:37] <Kilos> with an old fone?
[18:37] <inetpro> fax tech is old
[18:38] <inetpro> long forgotten about all yje ins and outs of it
[18:38] <inetpro> the*
[18:38] <Kilos> can one make a virtual modem
[18:39] <Kilos> iaxmodem?
[18:39] <inetpro> what would you call a virtual modem?
[18:39] <Kilos> a software one
[18:39] <Kilos> not a box
[18:39] <inetpro> why?
[18:40] <Kilos> well duh
[18:40] <Kilos> to send receive faxes of course
[18:41] <inetpro> you need two devices for sending and receiving
[18:41] <Kilos> see iaxmodem in repos
[18:41] <Kilos> IAXmodem is a software modem written in C that uses an IAX channel (commonly
[18:41] <Kilos> provided by an Asterisk PBX system) instead of a traditional phone line and
[18:41] <Kilos> uses a DSP library instead of DSP hardware chipsets.
[18:42] <Kilos> oh you need a branch exchange
[18:43] <Kilos> funny they aint made it work from pcs without a fax machine
[18:44] <inetpro> fax machines should die
[18:44] <inetpro> just like ftp
[18:44] <inetpro> I never use my number, that is why it wants to expire
[18:45] <inetpro> but I need to just keep it alive for those rare moments
[18:46] <Kilos> there are still some places that want faxes as legal documents
[18:46] <inetpro> and I will send me self a fax from the office tomorrow if this one doesn't come through
[18:46] <Kilos> i think i had to go send a fax from cop shop for visa that time
[18:47] <Kilos> or fax to visa peeps or something
[18:47] <inetpro> yep, sad case realities
[18:48] <Kilos> didnt accept scanned documents
[18:48] <inetpro> they probably have not even heard of email
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> sleep tight inetpro and all other lurkers
[18:49] <inetpro> nag oom
[18:49] <Kilos> if im late the e220 got lost again
[22:23] <Squirm[M]> Hi
[22:29] <Trixar_za> Hi Squirm[M]
[22:29] <Trixar_za> erm
[22:29] <Trixar_za> We're dropping rock btw
[22:29] <Trixar_za> So we can replace it with a linode
[22:29] <Trixar_za> :P
[22:30] <Trixar_za> In Tokyo
[22:30] <Squirm[M]> Cool
[22:31] <Squirm[M]> I have to go. Chat in the morn
[22:31] <Trixar_za> K, I'll give you the new details later
[22:31] <Squirm[M]> Good  choice tho7gh


[21:28] <BobJonkman1> Hello! Please excuse my English. I do not speak Catalan
[21:29] <BobJonkman1> I just read about the Catalan Team re-verification meeting at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/05/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t19:41
[21:30] <BobJonkman1> I disagree with that ruling -- Canada also has a distinct society, les Quebecoise, which has its own culture, its own language, and its own Ubuntu Team #ubuntu-qc
[21:31] <BobJonkman1> In fact, we have a team Ubuntu-Vancouver which serves a single municipality (and not even the biggest municipality in Canada)
[21:34] <BobJonkman1> Ubuntu Quebec appears on the LoCo Teams page, although it seems Ubuntu Vancouver has been removed
[21:38] <BobJonkman1> Some of us in #ubuntu-ca were wondering if you need Ubuntu 14.04 DVDs.


 Give it more time, try again, or completely give up for today?
[00:30] <sarnold> I'm not on the launchpad team but it seems like unless it gave you an error message somewhere (check email?) it will probably try to complete the actions once unblocked; it'll take a while, it's been down for a bit
[00:30] <kisak> yeah, that's sensible and fair
[06:47] <RikMills> uploads to PPAs are still vanishing into a black hole, and the publisher is awol
[07:08] <ricotz> autopkgtests are basically on halt as well
[07:48] <RikMills> just as well Mark said at the summit they would be investing more on infra ;)
[09:38] <guruprasad> RikMills, this is a known issue and we are looking into it.
[10:08] <guruprasad> RikMills, it looks like the issue is fixed. Can you retry and let us know if it worked?
[10:10] <RikMills> guruprasad: well, I just got acceptance emails for 3 I uploaded many hrs ago :)
[10:10] <guruprasad> RikMills, \o/
[10:10] <guruprasad> Thanks for letting us know
[10:12] <RikMills> guruprasad: publisher working? I guess that will take time to clear the backlog if it is
[12:27] <RikMills> ppa publisher still seems missing in action
[12:28] <ahasenack> I just pinged someone about that
[12:28] <ahasenack> they said they are going through the systems looking for stuck cron jobs
[12:28] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/samba-22h2/+packages published 21h ago (source), no binaries published yet (but they are built at least)


[01:02] <Name141> is Lubuntu now "offical"
[01:04] <wxl> Name141: has been
[01:04] <stlsaint> Name141: yes it is
[01:04] <wxl> Name141: in fact, we now have beta 1 of precise/12.04 which should be officially released within the next 60 days or so
[01:05] <wxl> Name141: (which you can download direct from canonical if you like)
[01:05] <Name141> wxl: Alrighty.  I assume my 4670 will do just fine in Lubuntu? I haven't check to see if it has 3D support and all ?
[01:09] <wxl> Name141: here's feedback from a 4670 user http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11460635&postcount=19
[01:10] <wxl> Name141: 3d support means different things to different people but regardless of what it is, even if it's not out of the box, it's a canonical variant, so you can install anything from the repos, e.g. compiz
[01:11] <Name141> wxl: I just want to replace XP with something that sure the ..er.. sure aint Unity.
[01:12] <Name141> everything but mIRC is native to linux I use anyway.
[01:20] <wxl> Name141: well yeah anything will work :D
[01:21] <valdur55> http://youtu.be/VC7wXPcqjhM funny bug :)
[01:21] <Name141> was VLC updated to 2.0 yet? I wonder ?
[01:21] <wxl> Name141: the nice thing about lubuntu is minimal resource usage. admittedly it can be a bit spartan for some folks. but i think if you want to do something like 3d e.g. (i do a lot of audio) then it keeps the os/gui from hogging all your resources
[01:22] <wxl> Name141: i'd say grab a live cd and have at it
[01:22] <valdur55> damn xubuntu :(
[01:23] <Name141> yeah, I might as well install it.
[01:23] <wxl> sure, you can try it first tho
[01:24] <wxl> oh man i just found out l2ork uses ubuntu. i'm going to coerce them to use lubuntu http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56
[01:25] <wxl> all this darn compiling. someone needs to teach them how to make a ppa ;)
[01:25] <wxl> sorry, off-topic but interesting
[01:29] <wxl> off to home. holler at us if you need help Name141
[02:45] <kanliot> someone messed with the default terminal colors in precise.  is this a bug?
[03:18] <deitarion> Does anyone know which icon the update manager wants to use for "some repos couldn't be updated from" which is missing from the default Lubuntu icon theme?
[03:22] <deitarion> (The repo which provides my preferred Timidity patch set is unreliable and I'm not overly fond of having an eye-grabbing red "no" sign in my otherwise monochrome tray)
[03:54] <Name141> wxl: I can't download large files till 1 AM anyway lol, so no need to holler about nothing till atleast like.. 3 AM lol
[04:02] <Name141> anyway, I'm assuming it'll probably run fine with a E2160 + 4670 ?
[04:02] <Name141> and 2GB RAM (DDR2.. forgot what speed)
[04:27] <wxl> Name141: yeah you should be more than fine
[05:27] <Name141> wxl: I just wish I could find something else than hughesnet out in the country ;p
[05:51] <wxl> Name141: sattelite ;)
[06:17] <Name141> wxl: that's what it is
[07:11]  * wxl yawns
[07:14] <mysteriousdarren> Wild Blue?
[10:29] <James_KL> hello , installing lubuntu , gives that error x86_64 : http://bitsy.me/img4dy - WTF?
[10:52] <Xethron> What is lubuntu's minimum system requirements?
[11:02] <UnknownArtists> hi am using a fresh installation of lubuntu on my external hdd on my notebook
[11:03] <UnknownArtists> now i plugged in a second (external) monitor
[11:03] <UnknownArtists> but all the setup-tools for my monitors doesn't mention the monitor
[11:03] <UnknownArtists> except of the nvidia tool it shows the monitor but only under the GPU0-settings
[11:04] <UnknownArtists> the Xserver disply configuration only sais: unabble to load x display configuration page. failed to query noscanout for screen 0
[11:05] <UnknownArtists> what can i do to activate my external monitor
[11:05] <UnknownArtists> ?
[11:14] <phillw> Xethron: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements
[11:25] <UnknownArtists> ok found it out by myself
[11:25] <UnknownArtists> had to use another nvidia driver
[11:58] <phillw> UnknownArtists: thnks for checking back :)
[12:00] <Xethron_> phillw, thanks :)
[12:01] <Xethron> phillw, how smooth would lubuntu run on a 700 MHz PIII IBM Laptop with 128MB of RAM?
[12:03] <phillw> Xethron: it will not be the fastest system in the world, but a PIII should be faster than a PII which is as about as low as we go.
[12:04] <phillw> I'd suggest 512MB of Swap on a 128MB system. Also, you will have to use the alternate CD as you do not have enough RAM to use the Desktop install.
[12:05] <Xethron> I currently have a CLI of Arch Linux installed, using vim and gcc for programming. I have developed the need to view PDF's, however FrameBuffer is too slow, and takes me forever to find the right page in a 800 page document...
[12:05] <Xethron> So I am looking to install something with a x for the sole reason to view PDF's and maybe video's
[12:06] <phillw> Xethron: if you have the hard disk space, you can dual boot to fully test.
[12:06] <Xethron> I have downloaded the minimul install...
[12:07] <Xethron> But ill try the duel boot thing perhaps
[12:07] <phillw> hmm, okay - you could have used the Alternate 11.10, but mini install will be okay.
[12:08] <Xethron> ah :/
[12:08] <Xethron> Whats the difference?
[12:08] <phillw> if you do go for manual partitioning, you tell lubuntu to use your existing /swap partition to save disk space.
[12:09] <Xethron> I will
[12:09] <Xethron> I set it up to 512mb...
[12:09] <Xethron> So it should be perfect :)
[12:09] <phillw> Alternate has the system on the CD and is a text based version of the Desktop system. mini-iso contains just the very basic ubuntu kernel stuff and reqiures to be connected by ethernet to get the lubuntu system.
[12:10] <phillw> It does have the advantage in your case, of being able to install lubuntu-core which is the slimmest lubuntu we do!
[12:11] <Xethron> How big is the install roughly? Just curious as I have a set internet
[12:11] <phillw> about same as a CD for desktop, it will be less for -core. (so about 500-600 MB)
[12:12] <Hetman> hello i have little problem ;) when i clicking right mouse on my desktop i have openbox, how can i switch bax to that lxde thing ?
[12:12] <Xethron> thanks phillw, you have been a great help :)
[12:13] <phillw> Hetman: I thought right click was supposed to open open-box? Let me go check :)
[12:13] <Hetman> phillw: i turn it on, but before that i have that menu from lxde - where i can change wallpaper add folder to the desktop create activator
[12:14] <phillw> Hetman: I've had to ask, as I don't have access to a lubuntu system at the moment & my memory isn't good enough!
[12:16] <Hetman> no problem ;) no i look for command to get that desktop setting i want to change my wallpaper ;p in obconf there is no option for that
[12:16] <phillw> Hetman: is this the issue? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper
[12:16] <Hetman> yeah
[12:16] <Hetman> thanks
[12:17] <phillw> you're welcome :)
[12:36] <Xethron_> phillw, I cant seem to format unpartitioned space...
[12:37] <Xethron_> nvm
[12:37] <Xethron_> wait, no, that didn't work ether
[12:39] <Xethron_> it says its unusable...
[12:39] <phillw> Xethron_: make sure the hard drive is not mounted
[12:39] <Xethron_> I have shrinked one partition (7.9GB to 6GB)
[12:40] <Xethron_> Now I have 1.9GB of unusable space
[12:40] <Xethron_> How do I format it to ext2?
[12:41] <phillw> Xethron_: the format you want is ext4, but have you comitted the change of shrinking the partition to the hard disk yet?
[12:43] <Xethron_> no, it keeps saying I haven't selected a root filesystem yet
[12:43] <Xethron_> haha
[12:44] <Xethron_> wait, I believe it has been written to disk
[12:46] <phillw> he he. allocate / to the unallocated area - choose ext4 and put an X in the box to format it, then select your /swap partition and mark it is to be used as swap. When you commit, it should do both options at the same time.
[12:48] <Xethron_> Ok, when I select the "unusable" space, and press enter, it says: "How to use this free space: [Show Cylinder/head/sector information]"
[12:49] <Xethron_> When I select that, it says "The free space starts from (808,116,57) and ends at 1035,254,63)
[12:49] <Xethron_> When I select continue, im back at the partitioner
[12:51] <phillw> Xethron_: exit the partitioner and re-boot. Then go back into manually partition and try again is all I can think of off the top of my head. It was a long time ago I wrote up the instructions for mini-iso and I don't have a mini-iso with me (I'm away from home).
[12:55] <Xethron_> haha. np :)
[15:10] <leszek> hi
[15:10] <phillw> leszek: hi :)
[15:20] <phillw> Xethron: how's it going?
[18:25] <Xethron> phillw, I gave up due to Internet. I did find out however that my University has Kubuntu 11.10 DVD images on their server which I can download for free. Is it possible to install Lubuntu through the Kubuntu DVD in order to save downloads?
[18:26] <Xethron> Because, im just gessing here, but the main difference is kde vs lxde...
[18:27] <Xethron> And I don't want any of the added apps besides a PDF viewer, and maybe a video/music player. And maybe a gui text editor. Other than that, all the other apps I use are CLI based, like vim and gcc and so forth.
[18:27] <KM0201> Xethron: you should be able to..  lxde is in the repos, but you'll have all that KDE bloat
[18:27] <Xethron> :/
[18:28] <Sentynel> Xethron: you can install lubuntu-desktop and remove the kde packages, sure, but you will need to download the lxde components when you do that
[18:28] <Xethron> Ok, yea, that I don't want
[18:28] <Xethron> My PC will crash under that
[18:28] <Name141> I'm having to go in to tty1 (ctrl + Alt + F1 ) to trigger my KVM switch's hotlink keys (scroll lock + scroll lock) and then when I switch back to the lubuntu machine, ctrl + alt + F7 to return to the GUI.  Anyway to just be able to use scroll lock + scroll lock in the way that windows OS' do to trigger the KVM switch ?
[18:29] <Xethron> Fine, ill just ask a friend to download for me
[18:30] <Sentynel> Xethron: the lubuntu packages are probably a lot smaller than the whole iso, and if you don't want any of the apps you could just install lubuntu-core, which'll be even smaller
[18:33] <sovtware> or LXDE is similar to KDE when it comes to the menu?
[18:34] <KM0201> sovtware: other than it doesn't suck
[18:34] <KM0201> Xethron: where do you live if you don't mind me asking? (US?)
[18:37] <sovtware> KM0201 I mean with KDE and stuck to me I like but I can not have it I have now XFCE menu but I do not like me too much in terms of speed and stability can download and view the faster will it be?
[18:37] <Xethron> South Africa :)
[18:38] <KM0201> Xethron: ah ok.. well, i've mailed CD's to folks in the US on a few occasions, usually only cost a buck...
[18:38] <KM0201> if you were in the US, i was gonna mail you one
[18:39] <Xethron> wait wait wait... :D
[18:39] <Xethron> My university has lubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 :D
[18:39] <Xethron> man, they are up to date
[18:39] <KM0201> well hey, there you go. (i'm running 12.04 at the moment)
[18:39] <Xethron> Ill go download it for free this Monday
[18:40] <Xethron> 12.04 is still in dev right?
[18:40] <KM0201> free is good
[18:40] <Xethron> Yea, we can download stuff from the UP server for free if we use one of their PC's
[18:41] <sovtware> I install and see podobo is lighter than the other thing I do not like gnome
[18:46] <sovtware> I walk around the plate appears later
[18:47] <ubi_> hi
[18:47] <KM0201> o/
[18:47] <ubi_> guys, what version of lubuntu should i install, there are many of them and that confuses me
[18:48] <Name141> 11.10 probably.
[18:48] <KM0201> ubi_: 11.10 is the current stable version, i'd go w/ that
[18:49] <ubi_> 11.10 will be supported until April 2013 says, what that means
[18:49]  * KM0201 is running 12.04
[18:49] <Name141> You'll have to update then.
[18:49] <KM0201> ubi_: exactly what it means, it will be supported (with security updates, etc..) until april '13
[18:49] <KM0201> !lts
[18:49] <ubi_> so is it safe to install it now
[18:49] <KM0201> ubi_: yes, it is the current stable release
[18:50] <ubi_> i am getting that :)
[18:50] <KM0201> is lubuntu 12.04, gonna be LTS?
[18:50] <KM0201> ubi_: no, lubuntu 12.04 is still beta 1, very buggy, you're new, don't do that
[18:50] <Name141> Yes.
[18:50] <ubi_> im gonna get 11.10
[18:50] <KM0201> thats what you want to do.
[18:50] <ubi_> ty
[18:51] <KM0201> lubuntu 12.04, will be out in april, then you can upgrade to 12.04, then your desktop will be supported for 5yrs
[18:51] <KM0201> lol, well, guess he didn't care abou tthat
[19:09] <ed3678654> greetings, I am new to linux, installed lubuntu everything was ok, then changed something in desktop settings and now on the main screen when clicked right mouse button, the options like create new folder dissapeared instead I have  new options like emulate terminal obcong, reconfigure restart, etc. My question is how do I change it back the way it was?
[19:10] <smile4ever> ed3678654: you tried logging out and logging in back again? :)
[19:10] <tr33m4n> ed3678654, think you may of accidentally changed a setting to do with showing the openbox menu instead of LXDE
[19:11] <tr33m4n> the menu you are now seeing is the openbox menu (the window manager)
[19:11] <ed3678654> yes I have tried that, still its the same, I changed something in desktop settings (ticked one of the boxes) and now this happens
[19:12] <smile4ever> hmm :s
[19:12] <tr33m4n> surely you can go back into the settings from the menu and change the setting back?
[19:13] <tr33m4n> I remember there being a setting to show the openbox menu or not, however currently I am on Ubu not Lubu
[19:13] <ed3678654> how can I go into settings when that menu was accesible by clicking the right mouse button
[19:13] <ed3678654> ?
[19:13] <smile4ever> ed3678654: i'll look for you :)
[19:14] <tr33m4n> ed3678654, sorry I'm not familiar with your configuration... do you not have a menu button in the task bar on the bottom left?
[19:15] <tr33m4n> or try running obconf from the command line if you can get a prompt up
[19:15] <ed3678654> I have weird looking X button
[19:15] <ed3678654> I think thats menu
[19:15] <tr33m4n> try it and see
[19:16] <smile4ever> ed3678654: Actually, I was able to fix it.  It seems that "openbox-lxde" was the standard startup in /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/config.  I changed it to "openbox" and that seems to work.  I rather liked the LXDE mouse menu, as it had a few other features with it.  But the inability to change the menu was ultimately a problem.
[19:16] <smile4ever> you need to change it in the other way :)
[19:16] <smile4ever> so not openbox but openbox-lxde :)
[19:17] <smile4ever> try running from terminal: sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/config
[19:17] <smile4ever> and change the setting from openbox to openbox-lxde
[19:17] <smile4ever> and than save :)
[19:18] <ed3678654> (config) opedned but the file is empty
[19:18] <smile4ever> hmm.. wont work :|
[19:18] <smile4ever> Lubuntu has special folders: )
[19:18] <smile4ever> wait a moment :) i will look into it even more
[19:18] <smile4ever> :p
[19:19] <smile4ever> sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[19:19] <smile4ever> and change the window-manager line to "window_manager=openbox-lubuntu"
[19:19] <smile4ever> without those double quotes :)
[19:19] <smile4ever> save it and log out :)
[19:20] <tr33m4n> think he just changed it in lxde login screen
[19:20] <ed3678654> but its already like that
[19:20] <ed3678654> "window_manager=openbox-lubuntu"
[19:20] <smile4ever> ed3678654: :|
[19:20] <smile4ever> crazy :|
[19:21] <tr33m4n> i think essentially it had defaulted somehow on the lxde login screen, but all is right now ed3678654 ?
[19:22] <ed3678654> no, when I click right button I still get obcong reconfigurte restart etc
[19:23] <ed3678654> ok i will try logging out
[19:24] <wxl> shoot this is in the faq
[19:24] <smile4ever> wxl: you mean add it? :p
[19:25] <wxl> no the solution is there
[19:25] <smile4ever> wxl: really :p
[19:25] <tr33m4n> wxl let me guess, obconf, change a tick box :p
[19:29] <ed3456765> ok so I still get that open box thng/dialog..
[19:29] <wxl> tr33m4n: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper
[19:29] <wxl> ^^^ ed3456765
[19:29] <smile4ever> ed3456765: happy Lubuntu'ing :D
[19:30] <phillw> Xethron: yes it is, and you can also then switch to pure lubuntu from any of the *buntu family. We are a family and do encourage people to try and decide which is best suited for thier needs.
[19:30] <tr33m4n> I knew it was something like that :) not running Lubu at the mo, couldn't provide exact support
[19:31] <smile4ever> tr33m4n: i'm lubuntu but i didn't knew how to get it back after you disabled it :p
[19:31] <smile4ever> i was looking for the window but you can't find it if you disable the option :p
[19:31] <ed3456765> Yessssss that fixed it, thanks alot guys
[19:31] <wxl> tr33m4n: you need a vm
[19:31] <wxl> np ed3456765
[19:32] <phillw> Xethron: the pure lxde is at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde but on the left hand side he says how to remove any previous flavour you have tried once you have decided and remove all the apps from the other system.
[19:32] <tr33m4n> wxl running test arch tomcat vm atm on an underpowered laptop, think 2 would kill it :p
[19:33] <phillw> Xethron: those instructions do NOT remove data. If you then wish to re-install a program, all your stuff (profiles etc.) will still be there.
[19:34] <phillw> You can trust psychocats, he is a main suppport forum staffer & is a guy I both know & thank for taking the time to write up a correct version of instructions.
[19:38] <sovtware> LXDE downloading it may just be me good to walk :)
[19:42] <sovtware> I have XFCE Unity Gnome I do not like Gnome ... KDE and I stuck to the windows do not come back! I have one good walk a graphical desktop
[19:46] <phillw> sovtware: see the link I posted for Xethron to get the list of everything to remove. I'm due in a meeting in 15 mins, but I'm sure one the guys will talk you taking everything else out & leave you with lubuntu
[19:46] <phillw> If not, Ping and I'll let you know when meeting is finished
[19:47] <Xethron> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[19:53] <phillw> sorry Xethron I meant to ping sovtware
[19:54] <Xethron> I just forwarded him the link :)
[19:54] <sovtware> :-)
[20:02] <sovtware> 3 GB RAM Graphics giforce AMD 8500 Duo and KDE 2.6 I stuck with Unity I prefer not to write :-) XFCE is great only because it is so Gnome;/ I still see Lubuntu
[20:02] <sovtware> I use goggles translator: P so do not laugh in case of errors
[20:03] <sovtware> messed something xD
[21:06] <CTtechguy> what is the default network manger?
[21:09] <nothingspecial> CTtechguy, network-manager
[21:19] <CTtechguy> nothingspecial: thank you
[21:19] <nothingspecial> np
[21:54] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[21:54] <mattwj2002> could I get some help with audio routing?
[21:55] <mattwj2002> how do you disable one sound card and route all the sound to a bluetooth headset like you can easily do in windows
[21:55] <mattwj2002> bluetooth is enable and all setup
[21:55] <mattwj2002> with blueman
[21:58] <wxl> mattwj2002: alt-f2, type `alsamixer`, hit enter
[21:59] <mattwj2002> is ssh okay?
[21:59] <mattwj2002> I am right next to it
[21:59] <wxl> sure
[21:59] <mattwj2002> okay I am there
[21:59] <wxl> that's the lubuntu system audio controls
[21:59] <wxl> pretty basic but it does the trick
[22:00] <wxl> and it's kind of self explanitory-- tells you what to do
[22:00] <wxl> what i'm not sure of, not using bluetooth, is if the bluetooth device comes across as an audio device to the system
[22:00] <mattwj2002> I don't see my bluetooth there though
[22:00] <wxl> can't imagine it wouldn't but i'm not sure
[22:02] <wxl> mattwj2002: looks like you may have to do this by hand http://blueman-project.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=318
[22:05] <wxl> yeah here's better instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothHeadset
[22:05] <wxl> just ignore the pulseaudio stuff
[22:08] <mattwj2002> okay
[22:08] <mattwj2002> hmm
[22:08] <wxl> there is package bluez-alsa too
[22:09] <mattwj2002> what is that?
[22:09] <wxl> Bluetooth ALSA support
[22:09] <wxl> ;)
[22:10] <wxl> i'd try the instructions above-- moding the asoundrc is pretty easy
[22:11] <wxl> to be frank i'm not sure of the right answer and i don't have a device to test it with
[22:11] <wxl> hopefully that gives you enough of a start tho to figure it out
[22:14] <mattwj2002> thanks
[22:19] <sovtware> goodnight all
[22:20] <tr33m4n> night


 I wonder why they would chase rick_h_ out of their IRC channel with an attitude like that? :-p
[13:12] <wolfger> I mean, it's kinda like going into #gnome to post pro-Unity comments... ;-)
[13:12] <rick_h_> naw, it's a long story
[13:12] <rick_h_> but this was a while ago
[13:13] <rick_h_> snap-l remembers it I'm sure
[13:14] <wolfger> PS: I tried Xmonad last night, for a little bit. I like it for the most part....
[13:14] <rick_h_> <3
[13:14] <wolfger> only thing I don't like is, the nm-applet has no place to live
[13:14] <wolfger> so when I'm having wifi issues, I'm kinda lost
[13:14] <rick_h_> ah, in Awsome I have a tray still
[13:15] <rick_h_> so I run the nm-applet and my dropbox icon gets a home
[13:15] <wolfger> is that default behavior on Awesome, or did you set it up to be that way?
[13:16] <rick_h_> default
[13:16] <rick_h_> yea, I think in xmonad you can run a tray app
[13:17] <rick_h_> yea, with traey
[13:17] <rick_h_> trayer
[13:17] <rick_h_> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Config_archive/John_Goerzen's_Configuration
[13:18] <wolfger> Good stuff. Thanks!
[13:18] <_stink_> does something like pypanel work in xmonad?
[13:18] <_stink_> at least that's what i used a couple of years ago in stumpwm.
[13:18] <_stink_> and it'll host gnome applets just fine.
[13:21] <wolfger> I'll probably give Awesome, Stumpwm, and Ion all a try (based on a random web endorsement of Ion, and a curiosity about something I've never even heard of before)
[13:27] <_stink_> wolfger: when you get around to stumpwm, let me know.  also, the version in the repo is waay out of date, so grab it from git.
[13:31] <wolfger> Heh. Somebody should file a bug to update stumpwm, then.
[13:31] <wolfger> And then package it for Ubuntu.
[13:31] <wolfger> :-)
[13:31]  * wolfger looks at _stink_
[13:34] <_stink_> o.o
[13:34] <_stink_> i've thought about it...
[13:48] <snap-l> Yeah, I remember when rick_h_ was chased from Django
[13:48] <snap-l> because he asked about using nose for testing, iirc.
[13:49] <snap-l> http://ac31004.blogspot.com/2011/03/so-you-think-you-own-your-twitter-name.html
[13:50] <rick_h_> snap-l: it was funny because the django fan at dinner was like "we use a django-nose package for that"
[13:50] <rick_h_> and I was like "I KNOW! that came out as a great feature 6mo after I was asking for help with it"
[13:50] <rick_h_> but when I wanted to do it I was a moron, don't do it
[13:50] <rick_h_> 6mo later it's a great django feature
[13:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, NIH in action
[14:02] <shortcircuit> wolfger: There's something you said yesterday that I agreed with, but I don't remember exactly what it was.
[14:02] <shortcircuit> Something about mice and keyboard.
[14:13] <wolfger> shortcircuit: Wow, somebody agreed with something I said?
[14:14] <wolfger> I roughly said, the mouse is garbage for productivity use, but essential for leisure use
[14:15] <wolfger> If I'm working on something on my computer, I shouldn't ever have to touch the mouse, but when I'm just chillin'/surfing/being social, I should be able to do everything with one hand.
[14:16] <wolfger> ...and I want a WM that suits both those needs. There doesn't seem to be one. They all go to one extreme or the other.
[14:16] <jjesse> i use an external mouse the same way on my laptop, 90% of the time i use the laptop's mouse but when i need to get somethng done i use the external mouse, hate lifting my hand from the keyboard
[14:16] <brousch> shortcircuit is a friend of mine from over here on the west side. he runs the weekly grlug social meetings and is one of you oddball window manager guys
[14:18] <shortcircuit> wolfger: the 'awesome' wm seems to work reasonably well for me.
[14:19] <shortcircuit> If I hold the Windows key down, I can drag windows around to the tiles I want them in. Otherwise, I use keyboard shortcuts.
[14:19] <greg-g> shortcircuit: welcome to the channel
[14:19] <shortcircuit> Well, actually, I only just discovered the drag-to-tiles a minute ago. I didn't realize it worked in the tiling modes.
[14:20] <shortcircuit> Disclaimer: I'm not a real fan of Ubuntu; I tend to be among the edge case users whose apps and preferences don't work well.
[14:20] <wolfger> Hey, since greg-g started logging this room, we could find exactly what I said. :-)
[14:20] <wolfger> I'm pretty sure I said it better yesterday. Today I'm kinda busy at work :-p
[14:21] <shortcircuit> (Which is the primary reason I'm interested in helping the testing on the east side of the state)
[14:21] <shortcircuit> I'm in here because brousch told me there were some folks in here who like tiling window managers. :)
[14:21] <jjesse> we are not all ubuntu talk all the time
[14:23] <brousch> shortcircuit: if you wander back to about 8:14 this morning you can see the tiling talk
[15:00] <binbrain> quiet here this morning, everybody but me must be at pycon
[15:02] <brousch> it was noisy until 9:25
[15:02] <jjesse> we come and go
[15:02] <jjesse> based on werk
[15:11] <snap-l> or shoveling.
[15:19] <snap-l> http://img.znsinsite.com/screenshots/tech-supp-03-2011.png
[15:21] <greg-g> snap-l: http://www.ntchosting.com/apache-server-linux.html
[15:21] <greg-g> they say they use debian
[15:22] <snap-l> Yeah, but scripts? Never.
[15:22] <greg-g> yeah, they say things like "popular PHP scripts available" when talking about mediawiki/wordpress/etc
[15:22] <greg-g> it is a common word to use for "apps" in some other parts of the world
[15:23] <snap-l> Well, PHP is just a script on steroids
[15:23] <snap-l> ;)
[15:23] <greg-g> very true
[15:23] <greg-g> btw, why did I feel the need to research that?
[15:23] <greg-g> anyways... goes to a meeting
[15:24] <brousch> bad steroids, tainted with gonorrhea
[15:40] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/hEG/
[15:40] <snap-l> Read the bottom of this
[15:53] <jrwren> php is a script on steroids???
[15:53] <jrwren> perl is a sript.
[15:53] <jrwren> python is a script.
[15:53] <jrwren> java is a script on steroids.
[15:54] <jrwren> C# and all .net languages is a script on steroids.
[15:54] <snap-l> Java is not a script, nor is C#
[15:54] <jrwren> how so?
[15:54] <snap-l> It just has a target machine that is not physical
[15:54] <jrwren> my C# is.
[15:54] <snap-l> Isn't C# compiled?
[15:54] <jrwren> so does PHP and Python
[15:54] <snap-l> Ah, I see what you're thinking. :)
[15:55] <jrwren> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=python+bytecode    ;)
[15:55] <snap-l> Yeah, scripts are a poorly-used term
[15:56] <snap-l> I've defined them as something that doesn't require a separate compile step prior to running (me personally, not the computer)
[15:56] <jrwren> poor definition.
[15:56] <wolfger> jrwren: perl is sed/awk on steroids (or so I've been told)
[15:56] <jrwren> i like hte dictionary best.
[15:57] <jrwren> wolfger: you don't know sed/awk?
[15:57] <jrwren> sed+awk=<3
[15:57] <jrwren> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3Ascript  :0
[15:57] <snap-l> jrwren: Generally speaking, if I need sed / awk, I run to perl
[15:57] <snap-l> there's a few simple one-liners where I prefer sed / awk
[15:57] <jrwren> i used too, but I don't anymore.
[15:57] <snap-l> but once it grows beyond that, Perl is my poison
[15:58] <jrwren> definitely love perl.
[15:58] <wolfger> jrwren: I know them. We're not BFF's or next door neighbors, though.
[15:58] <wolfger> wolfger+perl4eva
[15:58] <jrwren> thinking about awk and bash in debian/ubuntu just makes me angry.
[15:59] <jrwren> /dev/tcp in one and not the other is stupid.
[15:59] <jrwren> proof that debianistas are stupid
[15:59] <snap-l> OK, how about General Purpose Dynamic Languages. ;)
[16:00] <jrwren> like C#?
[16:00] <snap-l> and PHP... ;)
[16:00] <jrwren> :)
[16:00]  * snap-l needs to play more with C#
[16:01] <snap-l> not that I really think it's the bee's knees, but it looks like where Java could have gone had they not thrown everything on top of it.
[16:01] <snap-l> and then sat on it, wondering why it wasn't going anywhere.
[16:01] <jrwren> "they" is hte problem with java.
[16:01] <jrwren> if brian had just kept it, it might have lived.
[16:02] <snap-l> Well, had it not become the silver bullet dujour
[16:02] <jrwren> err James rather.
[16:03] <jrwren> but maybe James could have given it to brian :)
[16:04] <jrwren> i wonder if perl would move somewhere if larry gave it away
[16:04] <snap-l> Well, if Brian was in marketing, they shouldn't have given it to him
[16:04] <jrwren> Brian Goetz?
[16:04] <snap-l> No, I mean Brian in Marketing
[16:05] <snap-l> (small attempt at humor)
[16:05] <wolfger> It's not a question of whether or not Brian has it, it's a question of whether the followers of Brian's gourd or the followers of Brian's shoe are correct. That's a nasty battle you don't want any part of.
[16:06] <jrwren> no, I think I do.
[16:06] <jrwren> its a battle that has been a non issue for Linus, Larry and Guido
[16:07] <jrwren> but in Java the players said "this could be a battle" and threw down their weapons and went home and hugged and said, "lets drink together and not be productive at all."
[16:07] <wolfger> and snap-l: wtf with that tech support snapshot?
[16:08] <snap-l> Java is what happens when you have a company try very hard to not let anyone else have fun with it's toys.
[16:08] <snap-l> wolfger: nfc. That was on reddit.
[16:08] <snap-l> But it's a really stupid answer, regardless.
[16:08] <jrwren> yeah.
[16:08] <jrwren> toys!
[16:10] <wolfger> ...and Perl is what happens when you don't lay down any hard rules about how people can play with the toys.
[16:10] <wolfger> and it's great fun.
[16:10] <wolfger> :-)
[16:10] <wolfger> just a little messy
[16:10] <jrwren> i don't think so.
[16:11] <jrwren> perl is what happens when you go home.
[16:11] <jrwren> perl hasn't changed significantly in 10 yrs.
[16:11] <jrwren> I was alluding to language changes.
[16:11] <wolfger> does it need to change?
[16:11] <jrwren> no
[16:11] <jrwren> nothing NEEDS to change :)
[16:12] <jrwren> but it should would be nice to be more efficient
[16:12] <jrwren> to get more done with less
[16:12] <wolfger> depends on your definitions of more and less
[16:12] <wolfger> I'd say Perl already lets us do more with less
[16:12] <wolfger> compared to any other language I've experienced
[16:13] <wolfger> there's other languages that do more
[16:13] <jrwren> hahaha.
[16:13] <wolfger> but certainly not with less
[16:13] <jrwren> I can't agree with that.
[16:14] <wolfger> I think the essential ingredients are missing from your statement. More *of what* with less *of what*
[16:15] <wolfger> More manipulation of text files with less lines of code? Be hard to improve over Perl 5.
[16:16] <wolfger> More maintenance of old code with less headaches? OK, Perl's majorly hurting on that one... :-p
[16:20] <greg-g> wow, my old boss is getting into the retweeting of info about the gnome/canonical craziness, retweeting this link: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/03/collaborations-demise.html?showComment=1299807005600#c2417381301530751354
[16:20] <greg-g> I just find it interesting that he (@rejon) is doing that, he normally doesn't too much
[16:21] <greg-g> though, that is a pretty damning comment
[16:23] <wolfger> German word of the day: schwanger
[16:24] <wolfger> means "pregnant"
[16:25] <wolfger> and somehow I knew a word like schwanger had do have something to do with sex...
[16:26] <_stink_> "Es tut mir leid, aber ich habe deinen Schwester schwanger."
[16:35] <jrwren> more of everything with less lines of code.
[16:42] <snap-l> rick_h_: How much was the printed version of the Pyramid guide?
[17:33] <snap-l> Somehow I have a feeling that Segphault is going to get his wish for a commercial company to spearhead the Linux Desktop
[17:33] <snap-l> after seeing the rift between GNOME and Ubuntu, I can see a fork coming in the near future.
[17:33] <snap-l> s/Ubuntu/Canonical/
[17:34] <wolfger> and soon we'll have Gbuntu....
[17:46] <wolfger> sounds like what you say to somebody who sneezed.... *achoo*; "Gbuntu".
[18:33] <rick_h_> snap-l: $70 :/
[18:33] <snap-l> Holy shit, that's expensive.
[18:34] <brousch> geez, is it printed by Steve Jobs himself?
[18:35] <snap-l> God, my VPN is running sllllllloooooooowwwwwwwwww
[18:36] <brousch> hey, He has a lot of things to worry about right now. your VPN is low on His list
[18:37] <snap-l> god is not an iphone. I think he can multitask. ;)
[18:38] <snap-l> > Any idea of how much it will be?
[18:38] <snap-l> Not entirely sure, but somewhere between $40-$50 likely (up to the
[18:38] <snap-l> bookseller himself).
[18:38] <snap-l> That's a little much for a book, I'm afraid
[18:38] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea
[18:38] <rick_h_> well there's a bookstore here selling them
[18:39] <rick_h_> so I think that bookstore cranked it
[18:39] <snap-l> That's what I mean
[18:39] <rick_h_> I think you can order them from the self-publish site probably for less
[18:39] <rick_h_> I really shouldn't have bought it
[18:39] <snap-l> > Any idea of how much it will be?
[18:39] <snap-l> Not entirely sure, but somewhere between $40-$50 likely (up to the
[18:39] <snap-l> bookseller himself).
[18:39] <rick_h_> the weight of this giant volume will set me over the backage weight limit
[18:39] <snap-l> Bah, sorry about that
[18:39] <snap-l> http://gobretail.com/pod.php
[18:40] <brousch> rick_h_: mail it to yourself mediamail
[18:40] <brousch> cost like $3
[18:40] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[18:41] <snap-l> or even a oriority mail medium flat rate
[18:41] <snap-l> shouldn't be more than $6.
[18:50] <wolfger> what book are we talking about?
[18:51] <brousch> wow, some of these photos are unbelievable http://news.nationalpost.com/photo_gallery/photos-massive-quake-unleashes-tsunami-on-japan/
[18:51] <wolfger> aren't they?
[18:51] <wolfger> entire buildings, on fire, floating out to sea
[18:52] <wolfger> a massive whirlpool
[18:52] <wolfger> a massive column of fire
[18:53] <brousch> don't piss off poseidon
[18:59] <brousch> ouch, a smackdown frm miguel de icaza: "notes that proprietary systems have advantages — such as video and audio systems that rarely break. 'I spent so many years battling with Linux and something new is broken every time,' he says. 'We as an open source community, we don't seem to get our act together when it comes to understanding the needs of end users on the desktop.'"
[19:01] <wolfger> Miguel++
[19:02] <wolfger> We're a bunch of itch-scratchers
[19:02] <wolfger> if a bug doesn't affect a dev directly, good luck convincing him to work on it.
[19:03] <jjesse> didn't rick_h_ say something like that earlier this week?
[19:03] <wolfger> especially when it comes to hardware driver issues... volunteer coders aren't going to go buy your laptop just to duplicate your problem and fix it.
[19:04] <wolfger> on the flip side, considering what a ragtag bunch we really are, it's damned impressive that Linux works as well as it does.
[19:05] <wolfger> Now how much of that is due to the contributions of companies like Canonical, Google, IBM, etc who have paid devs to work on things? No clue.
[19:05] <snap-l> There's definitely a lot of direction-making in those companies
[19:05] <snap-l> for good or ill
[19:08] <Milyardo> I wouldn't call any direction in a project ill, just sub-optimal
[19:08] <Milyardo> as no direction is always worst than a sub-optimal one
[19:09] <snap-l> I'd argue that bad directions are worse than no directions
[19:09] <snap-l> at least you can pull out of a non-direction.
[19:10] <snap-l> but that said, not everyone would agree on the right direction
[19:12] <wolfger> Hey, that channel-logging is good stuff. Time to fire up the Perl and do evil. }:-)
[19:16] <snap-l> Anyone have a need for any Nokia chargers?
[19:16] <snap-l> I have the one that fits the N700, and two cellphone chargers (slow)
[19:16] <snap-l> one is an in-car charger
[19:17] <snap-l> I'll pay shipping to the lower 48
[19:17] <snap-l> Just want them out of the house. ;)
[19:26] <jrwren> the flip side to that is often our itches do align with regular people and not with corporate interests.  cameras working OOTB on ubuntu but needing drivers to work on windows comes to mind.
[19:27] <jrwren> not to mention the sea of hardware that still works with linux but can't work with Windows7 because they were XP devices and vendors never made newer drivers.
[19:27] <jrwren> or the other way around where people still run XP but can't find drivers.
[19:27] <jrwren> so there is good and bad.
[19:33] <snap-l> Yeah, that's very true
[20:05] <rick_h_> ugh, of course work crap breaks while I'm afk at a conference
[20:05] <rick_h_> wheeee
[20:07] <snap-l> rick_h_: Never fails
[20:07]  * snap-l is ownloading .net microframework to check something for a customer.
[20:07] <rick_h_> so sitting in my room fixing crap
[20:07] <rick_h_> wooo! you win!
[20:10] <snap-l> yeah, especially since it needs VS to run
[20:11] <brousch> good luck with that monstrous download and install
[20:11] <snap-l> Installing the C# portion just for grins
[20:11] <snap-l> We'll see how far it goes
[20:12] <snap-l> Apparently my bitching karma is coming around to slap me. :)
[20:12] <snap-l> bitching karma: bitch about something long enough, and it becomes part of my job. :)
[20:12] <Blazeix> heh, fwiw, I like VS2010 better than eclipse.
[20:12] <snap-l> ie: bitch about java, and eventually I'll be installing Netbeans
[20:12] <Blazeix> As long as you stay away from the whole "integrated everything" stack and just code.
[20:13] <snap-l> I'm just looking to consume a wsdl to see what the error someone is getting
[20:13] <snap-l> and see if they're doing something wonky.
[20:13] <snap-l> no  development for me
[20:14] <Blazeix> uhoh, consuming wsdl is the start of the integrated everything route
[20:14] <snap-l> yeah, figures. :)
[20:14]  * snap-l wishes he had a VM for Windows
[20:15] <Blazeix> you were complaining a while back about VB, right? Be careful.
[20:15] <snap-l> I will quit
[20:15] <snap-l> also, thank you for reminding karma of that
[20:15] <Blazeix> heh.
[20:15] <snap-l> I hope you have a couch that I can sleep on
[20:16] <snap-l> and of course, I'm over at my parents while JoDee does laundry, using up their 1.5Mbps DSL
[20:27] <Milyardo> I think its time I upgraded from my Dream soon, but I'm not sure what I should get
[20:27] <Milyardo> I was thinking maybe the Nexus S?
[20:28] <Milyardo> Not sure whats the best Android phone on the market at the moment
[20:29] <Blazeix> when I was browsing android phones I liked phandroid.com
[20:29] <Milyardo> Or even the better custom ROMs either, Dream development has really slowed down
[20:34] <Blazeix> I've been running the cyanogenmod 7 nightlies for a while.
[21:09] <greg-g> silently ignore
[21:09] <snap-l> that's what the block button is for
[21:09] <snap-l> keeps the fucknuts at bay.
[21:10] <greg-g> hah
[21:10] <brousch> but i can follow you and greg-g on twitter. all the rest are fucknuts, so who needs identica?
[21:13] <greg-g> there are a few people on identi.ca who aren't on twitter that I wish to follow, friends and other foss geeks that aren't fucknuts
[21:15] <snap-l> yeah, same here
[21:15] <snap-l> and I care about openness on the platform
[21:16] <snap-l> http://scripting.com/stories/2011/03/11/twittersNewDeveloperRoadma.html
[21:16] <snap-l> 1. If you make a Twitter client, you have a bit of time to get out of that business.  I can't get a copy of Visual Studio 2008 Express.
[21:30] <snap-l> It's only 2010, and the micro framework SDK that I downloaded only works with 2008-2010, or 2008 express.
[21:34] <greg-g> http://evan.status.net/conversation/717972  "I bet if we cut this goose open we can get all the gold out without having to wait for each egg!"
[21:35] <greg-g> btw, THAT LINK is why I love statusnet and will stay with it. Do you see what is happening there? StatusNet is forcing twitter to have conversation view. Ingenious. Pretty. Needed.
[21:35] <greg-g> now, we'll see if it can still do this in 6 months, but for now it is the best thing since sliced bread
[21:43] <snap-l> greg-g: Yep, that's a lifesaver, especially when someone you respect says something like "@person: Yep, I couldn't agree more!"
[21:43] <snap-l> Couldn't agree more on what?
[21:44] <snap-l> global warming? OSS use in education? Sarah Palin is an escaped insane asulum patient?
[21:45] <greg-g> :)
[21:45] <snap-l> timmy fell down a well?
[21:45] <snap-l> what, boy, speak!
[21:46] <rick_h_> snap-l: getting our podcast some love
[21:46] <snap-l> rick_h_: Awesome. What do I have to edit? :)
[21:46] <rick_h_> Amber is down here, chat with her for a bit and she got us another interview person
[21:46] <snap-l> Awesomesauce.
[21:46] <rick_h_> nothing yet, will see about my nightly tonight, but looks like joint recording stuff will be sunday
[21:46] <rick_h_> with the FPIP guys
[21:46] <greg-g> rock!
[21:46] <rick_h_> and then after that will be sprint stuff
[21:47] <snap-l> Awesome... Ididn't know that the First phillipine industrial park was using python
[21:47] <rick_h_> we also chat about getting some linkage on some of the stuff she's working on
[21:47] <snap-l> (and no, I didn't know what you meant until about the 4th link)
[21:51] <brousch> hootsuite gives twitter conversation view ;)
[22:08] <rick_h_> greg-g: ping
[22:08] <rick_h_> who was the openstack community guy you were checking the newsletter for?
[22:09] <greg-g> rick_h_: well, I was doing it out of my own interest, but the guy who mans @openstack_com_manger or some such crappy twitter name
[22:09] <rick_h_> ok, I think I'm sitting with him at an openspace bof for openstack
[22:09] <rick_h_> you ever send that feedback in? Or I'll just not bring it up
[22:10] <greg-g> Stephen Spector
[22:10] <greg-g> I didn't bring it up with him
[22:10] <rick_h_> k, just checking
[22:10] <greg-g> but feel free to (but mention my name, please, I'm trying to get some connections there)
[22:11] <rick_h_> k
[22:11] <greg-g> @opnstk_com_mgr
[22:14]  * greg-g goes home
[23:13] <rick_h_> greg-g: ping
[23:59] <rick_h_> Tiling BoF at 8pm woo!


[09:30] <Rinchen> Fridge changes due in about an hour if all goes well
[11:13] <Rinchen> W00t!
[11:13] <Rinchen> ok newz2000, bring it :-)
[11:14] <newz2000> actually, just found another little glitch... let me do one more walk through. :-D
[11:14] <Rinchen> you ok with me sending that email ... now  ?
[11:15] <newz2000> yeah, the upgrade is not going to be instantaneous, so I'll take the fridge offline
[11:15] <newz2000> that way I can do a backup, put the new code in, etc
[11:15] <newz2000> Allow 1 hour or so
[11:16] <newz2000> and I'll plan to start that in the next 15 min
[11:16] <newz2000> or so
[11:18] <Rinchen> ok, just wanted to let the editors now it was going down
[11:34] <newz2000> ok, going offline
[11:40] <Rinchen> cheer when the update is successful :-)
[11:40] <newz2000> just backed up the db and site, getting ready to upgrade now
[11:40] <Rinchen> and beuno you did say you were buying right?
[11:41] <beuno> I'd rather cheer now and pretend I'm not here if something goes horribly wrong
[11:41] <beuno> Rinchen, sure, put it on my tab
[11:42] <beuno> it's under "Martin...something", just mumble it
[11:42] <newz2000> wait a min, what server is the fridge on?
[11:42] <newz2000> :-D just kidding
[11:44] <beuno> hahaah
[11:44] <Rinchen> marais marias gosh I always forget that one :-)
[11:45] <newz2000> it doesn't help that I've got three servers that begin with ma...
[11:45] <beuno> "chmod 777 / -R" is always fun to fix
[11:45] <newz2000> on redhat, do rpm -qa | xargs | rpm -e
[11:45] <newz2000> be patient, it takes a while
[11:46] <newz2000> (in case you're wondering, -qa lists all rpm files, -e removes an rpm)
[11:46] <newz2000> I did that once while trying to clean up an old server
[11:46] <newz2000> its clean now. :-D
[11:47] <beuno> hahaha, I can imagine, no "extra" stuff laying around
[11:47] <newz2000> wow, the upgrade went without any errors
[11:47] <Rinchen> lol
[11:48] <beuno> no errors?  that usually means general failure  :p
[11:48] <newz2000> hm. Except the site logged me off, and now I don't know how to log back in while its offline
[11:51] <Rinchen> after upgrade.php...odd
[11:51] <Rinchen> newz2000, http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/Main/DrupalUpgradeAccessProblemSolved
[11:52] <newz2000> hmm. that was the first thing I tried, but let me try again, it may be caused by an errant module
[11:52] <newz2000> ah, that did it
[11:53] <newz2000> thanks for the hint
[11:57] <newz2000> ok, something odd has happened to my css. :-/
[11:58] <newz2000> I'm going to go online, its livable
[11:58] <newz2000> oh, wait, first I have to enable the modules... sorry, 5 min
[11:58] <beuno> wow, looks very nice!
[11:59] <newz2000> you see it?
[11:59] <beuno> yeap
[11:59] <beuno> control + f5
[11:59] <newz2000> well, the top nav is goofy, I don't know what happened to that
[11:59] <beuno> caching isn't always very nice
[11:59] <newz2000> good call
[11:59] <Rinchen> aww still offline here
[12:00] <beuno> Rinchen, here too
[12:00] <beuno> I just logged in  ;)
[12:00] <beuno> newz2000, the top nav doesn't seem to have the drop down options
[12:00] <newz2000> no, I have them turned off for the time being
[12:00] <newz2000> but the arrows seem far from the names
[12:00] <Rinchen> oh sweet fridge
[12:00] <newz2000> I think the font might be too small
[12:01] <newz2000> yeah, that's what it is, fonts too small in all the nav
[12:01] <newz2000> you like my fridge?
[12:01] <Rinchen> I LOVE the fridge
[12:01] <Rinchen> what I love more is it's all BLUE and not REALLY REALLY RED
[12:02] <newz2000> yeah, its *cool* because fridges are for keeping things *cool*
[12:02] <beuno> it's going to be a very impressive change
[12:02] <newz2000> I wonder where the rss icon went
[12:02] <newz2000> hm. And the shaded background
[12:02] <Rinchen> I see the rrs icons
[12:02] <beuno> newz2000, I see it at the bottom of the page
[12:03] <newz2000> how about on the left side for rss or atom
[12:03] <newz2000> oh, and I did this whole site in inkscape, so 100% svg
[12:03] <newz2000> (svg converted to png I mean)
[12:04] <beuno> newz2000, nope, just the text, the icon seems to be pushed to the bottom right side of the page
[12:04] <Rinchen> I see several rss feed icons
[12:06] <Rinchen> newz2000, I've updated the slogan config to match the new one
[12:06] <newz2000> ok
[12:06] <newz2000> I'm not sure if the theme uses that
[12:06] <newz2000> but it can't hurt to have them in sync
[12:07] <Rinchen> yeah I don't think it does
[12:07] <Rinchen> what I really want to change is the text above the left nav bar...but I can't find the option
[12:07] <newz2000> "admin"?
[12:07] <Rinchen> I'll look
[12:08] <newz2000> You do that in the block configuration... it's the second field, the one that's not required
[12:09] <Rinchen> got it
[12:09] <Rinchen> bueno ... I'd like something better than "The latest tasty treats from The Fridge -- home delivered."
[12:09] <Rinchen> ideas?
[12:10] <Rinchen> we can't use the slogan again, that would be silly
[12:11] <Rinchen> I could use the channel header here on IRC :-)
[12:11] <Rinchen> or simply delete it
[12:12] <Rinchen> newz2000, I think I'm going to go with deleting that text
[12:12] <Rinchen> it'll make your handy work better
[12:12] <newz2000> ok
[12:12] <newz2000> it might make more sense to move that block down then
[12:12] <newz2000> since it'll just have the rss/atom link
[12:12] <Rinchen> so, I removed it. I like it
[12:12] <Rinchen> but the rss images just disappeared
[12:13] <newz2000> oh, I'll bet the block id is different, that's probably what's going on
[12:13] <Rinchen> k, I'm out of edit mode
[12:14] <newz2000> ok, no more changes while I make the final tweaks
[12:14] <newz2000> oh, look, events showed up, did you do that?
[12:14] <newz2000> I guess that's it then, I can put the site back online and then make my css changes
[12:15] <newz2000> ok, its back
[12:16] <newz2000> ugh, the events are gone again
[12:17] <Rinchen> rss icons are missing
[12:17] <newz2000> yeah, that should be a css thing
[12:17] <Rinchen> in the subscribe block only
[12:17] <Rinchen> ooh the ical image is back
[12:18] <newz2000> ok, some missing icons, all nav fonts are too small, and funny indenting in the nav... these are my known probs
[12:18] <newz2000> If I'm missing something, let me know


[06:32] <tjaalton> argh, soft-freeze.. must get packages in today
[06:37] <tjaalton> btw, no tfp in swrastg_dri even in 7.11, which seems weird
[06:38] <RAOF> Yeah, I noticed that when something was broken in intel.
[06:39] <tjaalton> uploading libdrm
[08:02] <tjaalton> meh, synaptics merge.. halfway done
[08:03] <tjaalton> noticed that a couple of revisions from early natty are not in
[08:03] <tjaalton> fully anyway
[08:03] <tjaalton> will fix in a bit
[12:28] <tjaalton> RAOF: still around? I'd like to push the xserver for alpha2..
[12:28] <tjaalton> just bugfixes anyway, and running fine here since last week
[13:56] <tjaalton> synaptics and xserver uploaded
[14:02] <tjaalton> bryceh: are you planning on upstreaming the patch from bug 327428?
[14:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 327428 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "mouse pointer no longer has 1 pixel precision (affects: 5) (heat: 24)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327428
[14:35] <hyperair> is there a workaround for a quivering synaptics touchpad? =\
[14:36] <hyperair> when my finger touches the touchpad, the cursor quivers
[14:36] <hyperair> like it keeps moving a few pixels around the same spot
[18:37] <apw> is there a simple way to configure a specific monitor to be configured non-standard ... i have a kvm which is saying a very low resolution compared to the actual monitor
[18:50] <bryceh> apw, right, that's where if we could have a loadable EDID, that'd be the best way to fix it
[18:50] <bryceh> apw, for now you can provide custom modelines via xrandr.
[22:59] <RAOF> Woah.  Does mesa not have an apport hook?
[23:03] <bryceh> RAOF, yes, although not for every binary package
[23:03] <bryceh> why?
[23:04] <RAOF> bug #804655 looks like it's been reported with apport, but doesn't contain useful information.
[23:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 804655 in mesa (Ubuntu) "r300 loading instead of r300g (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804655
[23:05] <bryceh> hmm, 'ubuntu-bug mesa' gives me a 'Package mesa does not exist' error
[23:06] <bryceh> ubuntu-bug libgl1-mesa-dri worked
[23:08] <RAOF> Hm.  That's odd.  ubuntu-bug libgl1-mesa-dri looks like it should attach a I wnt, but thta bug doesn't have it.
[23:10] <bryceh> nothing illustrative from the activity history
[23:10] <bryceh> I've seen bugs filed against unity and reassigned to mesa that lack anything of use, but that doesn't seem to be the case here
[23:11] <bryceh> hmm, usually if it files bugs like this with no info except dependencies, it means the apport hook is busted
[23:11] <RAOF> Right.  It looks like the user ran ‘ubuntu-bug libgl1-mesa-dri’ and got a useless report.
[23:12] <Sarvatt> r300g isnt working because KMS is disabled by default on powerpc
[23:12] <RAOF> Sarvatt: But that bug has Architecture: i386
[23:13] <Sarvatt> oh weird saw someone mention the same bug on powerpc earlier in IRC
[23:13] <Sarvatt> sorry


[05:18] <dal2> In 22.10 and even earlier versions of Lubuntu, I would live-boot and use the PCManFM-Qt file manager to decrypt a luks-encrypted HDD.
[05:18] <dal2> That decryption would give me permission to access, read, write, etc the entire HDD just fine.
[05:19] <dal2> Now, in 23.04, I can use PCManFM-Qt file manager to decrypt successfully, and it shows me the HDD's name, but it does NOT give me permission anymore to access, read, etc the root dir or subdirectories of the decrypted HDD
[05:20] <dal2> I get a "Permission denied" error whether I use the forget instantly or remember for this session
[05:21] <dal2> I need to see what happens if I try decrypting with the remember forever/always option
[05:21] <dal2> I will go to sleep and test remember forever in the morning and file a bug if necessary but curious if anyone else is seeing this
[05:21] <dal2> It's a lot easier to use the file manager than it is to go to the CLI and use cryptsetup so I hope there's a fix or workaround :)
[05:32] <dal2> I wonder if sudo/root was used for these operations in 22.10 and earlier, and not anymore, which would explain it probably
 Website is down. It is not just me: https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/telegram.lubuntu.me?proto=https : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/dfbfd381/file_9578.jpg
 i believe thats been down a while where did you get a link to telegram.lubuntu.me @Halis
 It is in the description of the official announcement channel:

 https://t.me/LubuntuOfficial
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/62714d30/file_9579.jpg
 ah that requires revision heh.
 the main site was already fixed hence my inquiry.  I'll add that to the list of things to update
[20:23] <tekisui_> hello
[23:08] <dal2> Still experiencing the same bug. If I use PacManFM-Qt to decrypt a LUKS HDD with "Forget password" or "Remember password for this session" or "Remember forever" I get error messages saying "an operation is already pending" or that I don't have permission to navigate around the decrypted drive. This is a problem in 23.04, whereas in all previous
[23:08] <dal2> Lubuntu versions I've used, decrypting lets me access/navigate the full HDD
[23:58] <tomreyn> !bug | dal2