[12:01] <zteam> Hi, is there any ETA for then this bug is expected to be fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1674838
[12:01] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1674838 in linux (Ubuntu Zesty) "kernel BUG at /build/linux-7LGLH_/linux-4.10.0/include/linux/swapops.h:129" [High,In progress]


[12:52] <jtv> mgz: hi — would you be a good person to ask about the Tag model code in MAAS?
[12:53] <mgz> yeah
[12:54] <jtv> Excellent.  I was wondering why TagManager.get_nodes essentially duplicates NodeManager.get_nodes.  Was there a performance problem with the ordering of SQL "WHERE" constraints or something?
[12:56] <mgz> not that I recall, probably just we weren't sure which would be more useful and ended up with both
[12:56] <jtv> I suppose there would have been a comment if there were some compelling nonobvious reason...  I think I'll just eliminate the redundancy then.  Thanks.
[12:57] <jtv> Could also be that it was written without a good "feel" for how filtering in this particular ORM works.
[12:58] <mgz> I'd certainly expect tag getting nodes and getting nodes filtered on tag to generate equivalently performing sql
[12:59] <jtv> Yes, ultimately the DB back-end ought to transform past any such ordering dependencies.


[14:19] <mrgoodcat> think a lot of people who are only wfh because of the order will likely stay wfh. also, it's likely that a lot of people have already contracted it and there are possibly higher levels of immunity (speculation, also we dont know for sure that recovered people are immune)
[14:20] <cmaloney> morning
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> reduced capacity better than nothing
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> masks much more widely available and being used at least around where i live
[14:20] <cmaloney> Still think it's a reckless move
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> to be clear "better than nothing" means better than full capacity. "nothing" meaning "closed" is the best
[14:21] <jrwren> it is wreckless if you are about not getting sick, spreading, and saving lives.
[14:22] <jrwren> but afaict, that isn't what they care about. they care about balancing having enough medical capacity to handle the sick with the economy
[14:22] <cmaloney> Precisely
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> who is "they" in this case?
[14:22] <mrgoodcat> government officials?
[14:22] <cmaloney> folks in power
[14:23] <jrwren> yes
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> so auto company CEOs
[14:23] <jrwren> yup
[14:23] <cmaloney> Merlin Mann on Twitter: "Power is the ability to make strangers live your "normal."" / Twitter
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> merlin is the best
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> he's such a goof
[14:23] <cmaloney> That's the best definition of power I've seen related to this
[14:24] <cmaloney> Yeah, I've enjoyed his work over the years.
[14:36] <rick_h> right, but the folks deciding can bunker themselves because they're priviledged enough to do so vs those that will have to go and risk themselves. Just more of the same. Saddens me
[14:36] <rick_h> what are they going to do when school starts
[14:37] <rick_h> "well since you could sit in a diner you should be able to sit in class" regardless on if you do actually visit diners because of the family you would be exposing
[14:37] <rick_h> they're already doing that with the Nov election "since you go to a grocery store you can go wait in lines and vote in person"
[14:37] <rick_h> opening just feeds more and more risk to those removing their ability to reduce it even voluntarily any more
[14:38]  * rick_h gets off soapbox
[14:38] <rick_h> guess who's driving home friday :)
[14:39] <greg-g> <3 <3 <3
[14:41] <cmaloney> rick_h: Good news
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> rick_h: pulled the trigger on a tallboy. tentative plan right now is to sell stache and buy another more traditional hardtail some time in the near future, and in the medium future get a mid-long travel bike for travelling places where burlier suspension is needed
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> for now, the tallboy will cover my needs for copper harbor
[14:43] <rick_h> mrgoodcat:  yea very nice
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> and likely all my local riding
[14:43] <mrgoodcat> want to sell the stache this year if possible. it is a 2018 so I think if i wait one more year the value is likely to go down substantially
[14:44] <rick_h> my dropper cable broke yesterday and had to take my cable out, then manually extend the post to climb up to the top
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> right now on PB the model I have seems to be sitting in the 1500-1700 range
[14:44] <jrwren> rick_h: I saw a thing on 11 oclock news last night hilighting how other nations are back to school. So yes, they are already programming hte people with propoganda to accept it.
[14:44] <rick_h> and then had to take my seat back out, activate the switch, press the seat down, and then ride down locked in lol
[14:44] <jrwren> oh man, you guys and your fancy bikes :)
[14:44] <rick_h> it'll be nice to get to work on it in the garage again
[14:45] <rick_h> jrwren:  :)
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: americans can't accept the fact that other countries handle things better than we do and get to reap the rewards. we want to skip straight to the reward part
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> rick_h: oh dear that sounds like a long ride
[14:45] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: that is a good way to say it.
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> the "america is the best" narrative can't be challenged by such silly concerns as not actually being particularly good at anything
[14:47] <mrgoodcat> if you simply define "best" as "whatever we do", then we are, by definition, the best
[14:47] <mrgoodcat> check mate nerds
[14:47] <jrwren> we are good at incarceration. the best actually. :)
[14:47] <mrgoodcat> yes because big number is always good
[14:49] <rick_h> Yea, because if you're not the best just ask a statitician to find a way to make the graph point up and to the right and go "we're the best"
[14:49] <rick_h> there was some graphic from a news program that showed "declining covid numbers" and when you look they moved the months around so the graph went down
[14:49] <rick_h> but then the months were no longer in order from left to right
[14:49] <rick_h> "picture says good!"
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> oh dear i did not see taht
[14:51] <mrgoodcat> there are twitter accounts dedicated to misleading graphs on news programs
[14:51] <jrwren> i remember


[15:51] <bluetiger9> hi
[15:57] <bluetiger9> I'm using the nVidia 313.30 driver in Ubuntu 13.04. My problem is that I'm getting high CPU usage when OpenGL is used by any application (glmark2, webgl in google-chrome). I graphics are rendered in the GPU but for some reason I'm getting high cpu. Any idea about what causing that?
[15:57] <bluetiger9> my gpu is nVidia GeForce 8600 GTS
[15:59] <bluetiger9> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8600 GTS/PCIe/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 313.30 OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler
[16:03] <bluetiger9> anybody here?


[11:59] <wagafo> If anybody can triage this easy bug it would be great: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1717398
[12:47] <vincenzoml> Hi, I need help in making this bug report more precise: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1717481
[12:48] <vincenzoml> may very well be a kernel bug but I'm unsure
[12:53] <enet> Hi all, I have unexpected behaviour of Alt keys in Ubuntu 17.10. I want to jump backwards/forwards the words, but actually there is no effect, when Alt+Arrow are pressed.
[12:54] <enet> Does anyone know how to fix it?
[14:12] <vincenzoml> Hi there, I still need help in triaging bug #1717481, repeating just in case someone entered later
[16:34] <bdmurray> vincenzoml: You might try #ubuntu-x
[21:39] <pia3399user> hi everyone, I cannot get Private Internet Access VPN client to work with the new Ubuntu 17.10 daily build.
[21:39] <pia3399user> You can install it fine, but then when you click it to open it, nothing happens.
[21:39] <pia3399user> I'm not an expert on how to report bugs, so I came here
[21:40] <pia3399user> I decided to just use the built in VPN, and that takes a little research to get working, but that is my work-around.  But the PIA VPN client should be compatible since its built for Debian distros
[21:41] <wxl> you're using the daily of a released version?
[21:41] <pia3399user> yes, 17.10 with daily updates
[21:42] <pia3399user> or updates when available i mean to say
[21:42] <wxl> ah yes artful sorry
[21:42] <wxl> i read 17.04
[21:42] <pia3399user> PIA works on 17.04 just fine
[21:42] <wxl> you should try at #ubuntu+1.
[21:42] <wxl> otherwise:
[21:42] <wxl> !bug
[21:42] <pia3399user> ok, thanks I will