[11:39] <bittin> https://9to5linux.com/linux-kernel-5-19-reached-end-of-life-users-urged-to-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-6-0
[12:24] <brkcore> hello, is there a command or a tool to check kernel releases and info?
[12:29] <Piraty> brkcore: `uname -a` ?
[12:30] <brkcore> Piraty, thats for the current installed
[12:31] <brkcore> I am asking for quick check in terminal on whats available, whats stable whats beta, any other info as well
[12:50] <Piraty> i usually do something like `apt search linux-image | grep '6\.0'`
[12:50] <Piraty> brkcore:
[12:51] <Piraty> i skimmed docs / wiki but couldn't find anything about what `linux-image-6.0.0-1002-oem` is supposed to mean
[12:52] <Piraty> and for $reasons , running mainline fails spectecularly for me
[12:56] <brkcore> sorry I was on the phone
[12:57] <brkcore> apt doesnt have a stable cli interface, use with caution in scripts
[12:58] <brkcore> Piraty, apt-search linux-image ... just do fine. I have to just use some options in the search. thats fine
[12:58] <brkcore> thanks
[13:00] <nibbon_> o/
[13:01] <nibbon_> I'm having an issue with 5.15.0-52-generic and a mellanox NIC
[13:02] <nibbon_> even if I pass net.ifnames=0 the interface gets renamed to a predictable scheme
[13:02] <Piraty> brkcore: you can grep on the repo index file , or use `apt-cache search linux-image` for that
[13:02] <nibbon_> does it ring any bells?
[13:02] <Piraty> nibbon_: that is usually part of some udev rule i think
[13:04] <Piraty> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/main/docs/PREDICTABLE_INTERFACE_NAMES.md , not really related to the kernel
[13:14] <brkcore> Piraty, thanks mate!
[13:19] <nibbon_> Piraty: hmm, I do not have any udev rules related to that
[13:19] <nibbon_> it's weird because the kernel spits this during boot:
[13:19] <Piraty> i didn't them either on this ubuntu machine
[13:19] <nibbon_>  mlx5_core 0000:5f:00.0 enp95s0f0np0: renamed from eth0
[13:20] <nibbon_> so, it seems net.ifnames=0 does it job but at some point either the driver or something else decided to rename the interface
[21:09] <Jeremy31> nibbon_: you may need another change since that appears to be a USB interface>  sudo ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link


[14:43] <yorwos> hi all , i am using a firewire sound card (firepro 610) and jack. in order to get jack working with firewire in settings instead of alsa i had to make a file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-no-jack.conf blacklisting firewire devices. now i'm trying to connect a firewire cam. when i jack freezes , if i unplug the cam jack wont start unless i reboot without the cam. im using a pci firewire card with 3 fw slots. any suggestions how to get both the
[14:43] <yorwos> cam and the sound working ?


[06:24] <RAOF> Is signond catastrophically broken for Google accounts on zenial at the moment? If I try to add a Google account I get a never ending stream of ‘Web authentication for Google’ popups, most of which go to wiki.ubuntu.com(?!?!), none of which work.
[06:25] <RAOF> Sometimes they've actually got the Google login page, and going through that process results in *Google* thinking that I've signed in, and then a redirect to wiki.ubuntu.com.
[07:55] <pitti> Good morning
[07:56] <seb128> hey pitti
[07:56] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:56] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:56] <seb128> how was basketball?
[07:56] <pitti> comment vas-tu ?
[07:56] <seb128> ça va bien !
[07:56] <seb128> et toi ?
[07:56] <pitti> seb128: bien, et long -- on a joué pendant 2h30 :)
[07:56] <pitti> I'm a bit groggy
[07:57] <seb128> quite some exercice!
[08:04] <Sweet5hark> bonjours a pitti, seb128, tous!
[08:05] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, how are you?
[08:06] <Sweet5hark> good, good: finally handing over the old appartment today. Once that is done, the only pressing issue left is getting th elandline switched over to the new appartment (they botched that).
[08:12] <desrt> good morning desktop people
[08:41] <pitti> heeeeello desrt!
[08:41] <desrt> morning pitti
[08:42] <desrt> happy start-of-secular-advent/celebrate-a-season-of-fasting-with-a-calendar-full-of-little-chocolates!
[08:42] <desrt> got your supply of stollen shipped in yet? :)
[08:43] <pitti> desrt: in November already, from my parents; it's traditionally cut on first Advent, and we surely did so last Sunday :) (with our neighbors)
[08:43] <pitti> desrt: and indeed! opened the first door on the calendar today!
[08:43]  * desrt refuses to recognise that 4-sundays-before business. advent is dec 1 :)
[08:44] <pitti> since when is the Advent time a time of fasting? that's like the worst possible time of year :)
[08:45] <desrt> mascha is away on a trip, but she left me some gifts to unwrap while she's gone.  day 1: nürnberger zimtsterne
[08:45] <pitti> chocolate calendars, Stollen, the "Weihnachtsmaerkte" with Gluehwein, big family feast on the 25th, etc.
[08:45] <pitti> yummy!
[08:45] <desrt> man... there are so many *winter*markts in köln that my head is spinning
[08:46] <desrt> (had a recent visit from a friend who refused to set foot in one unless we called it "winter market" instead... in the end, i think he ended up liking it quite a lot)
[08:47] <desrt> oh.  weird.  i had been to 7 so far, so i assumed that there were like 20.  turns out there are 7.
[08:47] <BigWhale> I come here after a long time and Ubuntu people are talking about chocolate calendars and mulled wine.  ... ... You people are still awesome!
[08:47] <BigWhale> :)
[08:48] <pitti> hello BigWhale! long time no see, how are you?
[08:48] <BigWhale> Overly busy, but quite ok. :)
[08:49] <pitti> well, this is #ubuntu-hedonism after all, is it not?
[08:49] <BigWhale> :D Someone please feed me grapes.
[08:49] <desrt> i prefer to acknowledge it for the paganism that is surely is
[09:02] <Laney> moins
[09:04] <Laney> RAOF: not seen that myself - best to ask mardy
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:04] <desrt> Laney, davmor2: good morning!
[09:05] <Laney> greetings desrt
[09:05] <davmor2> how do desrt
[09:07] <Laney> how's your deutsch these days?
[09:07] <desrt> not good
[09:07] <seb128> hey desrt BigWhale Laney
[09:07] <desrt> been too busy to practise very much :(
[09:50] <Laney> oh, forgot to reply to seb128, how rude
[10:10]  * Laney sulks
[10:11] <davmor2> Laney: man what did you do to seb128 he just isn't talking to you at all now ;)
[10:14] <Laney> hope he didn't fall in the canal again :(
[10:21] <seb128> lol
[10:22] <seb128> no, but I already said hello, need to wait tomorrow for the next chance!
[10:22] <seb128> ;-)
[10:32] <hikiko> distcc works :)
[10:33] <pitti> hikiko: oh, congrats! so the savings actually overcompensate network latency?
[10:33] <pitti> but I suppose chromium is lots of C++ which is achingly slow, so it actually might
[10:33] <hikiko> pitti, when I build compiz it takes about half time (documentation says 3 times, but ok)
[10:33] <hikiko> I haven't tried on chromium yet
[11:01] <flexiondotorg> Belated good morning desktopers
[11:01] <flexiondotorg> I'm in that there London having office inductions and stuff.
[11:19] <Sweet5hark> yay, libreoffice 5.3 beta1 snap starts to build now!
[11:20] <Sweet5hark> noes, libreoffice 5.3 beta 1 snap fails to build because of some icu symbol madness!
[11:20] <Sweet5hark> hello SNAFU my old friend
[11:21] <hikiko> pitti, timing :D
[11:21] <hikiko> it was tricky on chromium
[11:22] <hikiko> I had to disable clang and change the default compiler because ninja can't find the gcc version that is used by distcc :p
[11:25] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, I am going to copy 5.2.4~rc1 to pre-releases ppa later
[11:34] <ricotz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1646025
[14:00]  * Laney cries
[14:00] <Laney> I'm ending up fixing half of proposed
[14:00]  * Laney goes for ragelunch
[14:01] <davmor2> Laney: you don't want to lunch on rage it's not very filling, try food instead, just sayin'
[14:05] <seb128> Laney, enjoy lunch, let me know if you need help with that transition I can look at some build issues or such
[14:06]  * Sweet5hark wonders if this is an opportunity and invitation to shadow-break the other half of proposed ...
[14:07] <Sweet5hark> "Your CI did not see me breaking anything that wasnt broken before, therefore I am an innocent professional."
[14:07]  * Sweet5hark nods.
[14:14] <kenvandine> attente, the gtest fix for content-hub landed yesterday
[14:14] <kenvandine> attente, can you merge trunk into your branch?
[14:14] <kenvandine> attente, it will conflict... i'm sure :/
[14:15] <attente> kenvandine: sure, thanks
[14:42] <seb128> Trevinho, attente, hey, I'm catching up with that CSD options discussions ... would the mir-preferred solution of a surface handled by the server allow custom widgets?
[14:48] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, yeah... Of course... You add whathever you want to the banner, but you've to reserve an area for the server-widgets (WM buttons)
[14:49] <seb128> Trevinho, then you loose the consistency argument ... what's the point then doing it server side?
[14:49] <Trevinho> seb128: did you see the doc? Baiscally being able to close the window when it hangs, or when there's a malicious client who hides these buttons.
[14:50] <seb128> seems like lot of work for little benefit
[14:50] <seb128> yes I read it
[14:50] <seb128> but I was unsure to understand why we think those are so much better still, even after reading
[14:51] <seb128> seems like the original argument was visual consistency
[14:51] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, well... also there are cases where we want to hide these. Or where we want to embed them to the panel
[14:51] <Trevinho> when maximized for example
[14:51] <seb128> then what do you do for apps with custom widgets in the decoration?
[14:51] <Trevinho> Also we'd like to embed the app widgets to the panel, not only the WM buttons (when in banner mode)
[14:53] <seb128> not convinced that would look right but alright
[14:53] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for replying :-)
[14:54] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, me neither... I whish you joined the discussions about this at the sprint, but me and attente were the only ones (and /me being a little critic about the fact we could achieve this, knowing the past)
[14:54] <attente> Trevinho: seb128: #gtk+
[14:55] <Trevinho> But... seb128/attente I agree that we could just contribute to gtk so that the widgets added to the headerbar would be moved to a different banner surface (if the backend supports it, otherwise falling back to default)...
[14:55] <Trevinho> attente: ok
[14:55] <xnox> is the world on fire in zesty?
[14:55] <attente> seb128: Trevinho: ok, so we can probably make some changes as long as they only affect mir basically
[14:56] <attente> seb128: Trevinho: we also make sure that it's only in gdk and not too much in gtk
[14:58] <Trevinho> attente: mh, well, not sure that is the best thing for us... But ok...
[14:59] <seb128> attente, yeah, I was reading #gtk+
[14:59] <seb128> xnox, it's zesty who knows
[15:00] <xnox> seb128, i'm getting segfaults from Xvfb...
[15:00] <xnox> i think
[15:00] <seb128> I don't know about that, maybe tjaalton does?
[15:01] <tjaalton> nope
[15:03] <tjaalton> I mean, it's something else most likely, xserver is the same version in xenial to zesty
[15:04] <xnox> right, i recall claims that glibc broke the world.
[15:04] <xnox> i'll try building ubiquity without zesty-proposed.
[15:04] <pitti> we've seen some segfaults in gtk too
[15:05] <pitti> please collect facts in bug 1646064
[15:05] <seb128> izgtkbog?
[15:05] <pitti> izg*bog
[15:15] <Laney> seb128: cheers
[15:25] <xnox> it builds fine in zesty without -proposed. i'll try to pull only glibc from proposed to see if that's the badger.
[15:26]  * Laney hears "that's the badger" in Q_'s voice
[15:26] <Laney> oh debconf
[15:28] <seb128> Trevinho, to be able to move the decorations and the eventual widgets from the titlebar in different position it means you wouldn't need the decoration to be 1 banner surface but different surfaces next to each others? or one surface but do trick to be able to pack things properly while letting the controls to be added later in some empty space?
[15:45] <attente> seb128: it's mostly going to be up to gtk to determine how the widgets are packed in the header bar
[15:46] <seb128> attente, right, but does that include the wm controls? or is that up to the client or backend to let space for those?
[15:46] <attente> i think the problem there is that the csd wm controls are decided by gtk and the app
[15:47] <attente> if u8 wants to draw its own, then the mir backend needs to know information like "should i show the csd wm controls?"
[15:53] <seb128> yeah, but from Trevinho said earlier it seems like the unity8 team doesn't want the application to be able to decide about those
[15:54] <attente> the api is already there
[15:55] <Trevinho> seb128: an app can say it can't be minimized or maximized, but not avoid to be closed... In theory.
[15:55] <Trevinho> seb128: actually we could instead allow it, and just use other elements (launcher/spread) to force close, in case it's needed
[15:56] <seb128> that's what we do in u7 today...
[15:58] <attente> anyways, gtk is pretty clear about this. the shell can specify the default decoration layout, but in the end it's always the application having the final say about what appears in the header bar
[15:59]  * Sweet5hark is currently in a LibreOffice online document with some editing call minutes with 20 people at the same time. It works.
[15:59] <Sweet5hark> s/some editing/heavy concurrent editing/
[16:53] <seb128> Trevinho, did you see the comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1635577/comments/19 which describe a leak in ups?
[17:16] <attente> seb128: do you think it would be possible to backport bubblewrap to xenial?
[17:17] <attente> i guess that's a better question for -devel...
[17:20] <seb128> attente, I don't know
[17:21] <seb128> I've no idea what it requires from the system to work
[17:23] <seb128> it doesn't seem to need a lot so would probably be possible, it would probably be useful to have there ... do you need it for something? is that for the jhbuild snap thing?
[17:43] <attente> seb128: yeah, it's needed as a dependency there
[18:11] <willcooke> night all
[18:14] <attente> kenvandine: hey, sorry it took so long. i merged trunk: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/content-hub/content-hub-glib-2/+merge/311621
[18:15] <kenvandine> attente, thx
[18:18] <attente> kenvandine: actually i saw something nitpicky i might fix quickly
[18:18] <kenvandine> ok
[18:19] <attente> kenvandine: ok, pushed
[18:19] <kenvandine> cool, thx
[19:07] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks, I did got the email, and it was in the top of my stack, but didn't read it yet
[19:49] <seb128> Trevinho, yw!
[19:49] <seb128> have a good evening desktopers
[19:49] <seb128> see you tomorrow


[09:21] <bill35> hello
[09:21] <bill35> please can i ask you aquestion ?
[09:22] <bill35> i would like to pass interactively the password
[09:23] <bill35> of encrpted disk in ubuntu installation
[09:23] <bill35> i can not find any yaml file fo rthe storage in ubuntu....
[13:42] <manuvakery1> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qBljot0H/
[13:42] <manuvakery1> cloud-init  failed at stage init-local
[13:43] <manuvakery1> this is happening on fedora32 , what could be the reason?
[13:54] <holmanb> manuvakery1: do you know if this occurs on a Fedora release that is still maintained (i.e. F33 or F34)
[13:56] <manuvakery1> holmanb: I need to test it
[14:30] <manuvakery1> its happening with fedora33 as well.. I feel like something to  do with the hostmachine network
[14:30] <manuvakery1> iam deploying an openstack  baremetal instance
[15:58] <holmanb> manuvakery1: does that system have a nic with the corresponding mac address? (b4:92:91:c5:76:23) What is the output of `ip l`?
[16:00] <manuvakery1> holmanb: yeah its there, also  ips are assigned properly
[16:00] <manuvakery1> If i deploy ubuntu/centos on the same host its works fine
[16:02] <holmanb> @manuvakery1 which centos did you try on?
[16:03] <manuvakery1> centos7
[16:08] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I'm rebasing your branch with paride's CI fix now.
[16:10] <paride> also rebased https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1050
[16:10] <blackboxsw> falcojr: it's all approved and re-running CI. once we succeed there we can cut the impish release branch
[16:12] <blackboxsw> @paride can you also passthrough GCP_* ?https://cloud.google.com/functions/docs/configuring/env-var#runtime_environment_variables_set_automatically
[16:17] <paride> blackboxsw, done
[16:27] <blackboxsw> falcojr: merged https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1048
[16:28] <blackboxsw> falcojr: do you want to generate the ubuntu/devel release branch please? then I can sponsor
[17:29] <holmanb> manuvakery1: Did you use the same version of openstack with {Ubuntu,centos-7,fedora}?
[21:16] <blackboxsw> woo hoo. cloud-init release accepted for impish with GCP fixes. I've queued uploads for B F and H Ubuntu series. Thanks James.
[22:21] <akutz> falcojr: Hey, I can confirm it's *not* two datasources loaded simultaneously causing the network bug - https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/image-builder/issues/712#issuecomment-938195915
[22:22] <akutz> I don't know what it is yet, but likely some issue I introduced with the updated datasource. I'm not sure what as nothing really changed here. My next step is to use the old datasource with CI v21.3 to see if it fails the same way. I wonder if it's v21.3 and not the DS. Rather, I wonder if it's both DSs being incompatible with CI v21.3 :(
[22:25] <akutz> I have a theory...
[22:26] <akutz> And it was right. Crap.
[22:26] <akutz> falcojr: It's the "set-name" directive. When that's removed, everything works as expected.
[22:26] <akutz> Something in v21.3 is breaking due to set-name.
[22:31] <akutz> falcojr: See https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/image-builder/issues/712#issuecomment-938200573 for more info


[00:18] <KB1JWQ> Pici: I can't rightly fathom that kind of lunacy.
[00:21] <Pici> KB1JWQ: I can barely... but I don't know why he expected us to know how to fix it.
[00:22] <KB1JWQ> Pici: He was hoping we had an automated "boot from this CD, run the 'fix my stupid crap' utility, that'll go through dpkg and verify the entire install.
[00:22] <KB1JWQ> Technically couldn't he figure out what .deb provides it and force a reinstall of that package though?  Good luck getting the system to a state where that's doable though.
[04:42] <genii> Bah. Is there some !medibuntuisoffline  yet? ;)
[04:43] <Flannel> medibuntu is offline?
[04:44] <IdleOne> Flannel: that is the word
[04:45] <Flannel> permanently?
[04:45] <IdleOne> I am pretty sure that autoremove doesn't mess up a system but just to be sure, did I just have that person uninstall over 50+ packages?
[04:45] <IdleOne> Flannel: I doubt it
[04:48] <h00k> Flannel: everyone is all zomg medibuntu is down! I haven't heard anything as to why or how long it's down for
[04:48] <IdleOne> "over 50+" redundancy for redundancies
[05:30] <h00k> You know, #ubuntu can be stressful
[05:30] <h00k> I'm just throwin' that out there
[05:33] <Myrtti> no kiddin'
[05:39] <genii> Hm perhaps !medibuntu should temporarily point to https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/565810 where there are some alternate mirrors listed
[05:47] <jussi> ok... this doesnt read right to me... [07:46:48] <#ubuntu:tripelb> sudden urge for Chocolate mneptok
[05:48] <bazhang> eww
[05:48] <jussi> :P
[05:48] <persia> jussi: You've never had an urge to dip mneptok in a vat of boiling oily liquid full of poisonous chemicals?
[05:48] <jussi> persia: lolo
[05:49] <mneptok> i'll withhold the Ron White chocolate reference.
[05:51] <persia> It's a good day :)
[05:54] <elky> h00k, you're only just noticing this now?
[06:35] <elky> ikonia, aetr is our friend from yesterday, yeah?
[06:36] <elky> rocket16 must be csaba or whoever it was playing the "you're offtopic" game
[06:36] <bazhang> going to remove him
[06:42] <rocket16> Hello respected friends,
[06:42] <rocket16> We're having a serious issue of #ubuntu channel,
[06:43] <rocket16> Two people, namely bazhang and billy2007, were discussing Offtopic things like "Bazhang how are you?" and "Billy2007 I am fine, how are you?", and when I requested them to stop, Bazhang (who is somehow a Operator) banned me,
[06:43] <rocket16> I request the attention of the Operators on this matter.
[06:44] <rocket16> Respected Operators, please consider the matter,
[06:45] <genii> rocket16: An exchange of greetings is not offtopic. In fact the bot has even a greeting.
[06:46] <rocket16> genii: Thanks, but continueing the greeting might be offtopic. And billy2007 was using words like "idiot" there, which might be a little disconcerting on such a nice official channel.
[06:51] <genii> rocket16: Users who carry on extended conversations unrelated to the topic of the channel, etc would be considered offtopic. Their exchange had to do with a previous conversation regarding support of a webcam issue, and not offtopic.  Much worse is heard during an episode of The Simpsons for
[06:51] <genii>  example which is considered a family show.
[06:51] <mneptok> not to mention that bazhang warned billy2007 about such language, and billy2007 apologized.
[06:52] <mneptok> and that user's behavior is not the issue here. yours is.
[06:53] <mneptok> @login
[06:53] <rocket16> Respected Operators, I respect your decision, but the things like calling others as "idiots", and misusing someones Operator powers, are all these welcome in a support channel?
[06:54] <mneptok> other users' behavior and the bhavior of operators is not the issue here. yours is.
[06:55]  * mneptok really, really doesn't like repeating himself
[06:56] <rocket16> But, did I do anything wrong? When one does wrong with other, the other has a right of self-defence, as stated in Law. Sorry mneptok if I disappointed you,
[06:57] <mneptok> IRC networks are not courts of law.
[06:58] <rocket16> Also, my behaviour wasn't anything, for which I was to be banned, :( Was it?
[06:59] <mneptok> you warned other people repeatedly about being off-topic. US law (where many Freenode servers are hosted) has stringent protections for free speech. you seem to have no problem understanding speech is limited in #ubuntu. attacking other users and ops is no different. it's not "self-defense." it's "being needlessly hostile."
[06:59] <rocket16> To the other Operators: Respected Friends, this is a serious issue. If people like bazhang go on banning people, the Ubuntu IRC will be a frightening experience to most people. Please consider my request,
[07:00] <mneptok> we'll consider it.
[07:00] <mneptok> will there be anything else? if not, we do not allow idling in this channel.
[07:00] <rocket16> mneptok: Really, thanks for your help.
[07:01] <rocket16> Ok, if you direct me to leave, I suppose I must. But please consider your decision, and whatever you say, I'll accept. But a request, that is being voiced by me, is for a common cause.
[07:01] <rocket16> Thanks mneptok and genii, and others, for their attention and time.
[07:02] <bazhang> mneptok, thanks for discussing with him
[07:02] <mneptok> np np
[07:03] <elky> Right, because it's not already frightening to have people willing to harass the ops. I know I'm frightened when people are willing to harass the police, you know, the people who can put them in jail.
[07:03] <bazhang> this is the same fellow who claimed conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic was pollution, and tried to silence users there as well
[07:03] <elky> He seems to be missing a sizable portion of logic.
[07:04] <mneptok> RP64 needs a new drug dealer.
[07:04] <genii> Heh
[07:04] <genii> mneptok: What, no sprechen si deutsche?
[07:05] <mneptok> "sie" :P
[07:05] <genii> Damn, got me
[07:05] <mneptok> und, ja, iche spreche. aber ...
[07:08] <bazhang> http://pastebin.com/kXNabNi6 tried to PM him before removing, he just responded now
[07:09] <elky> for the lulz no doubt.
[07:09] <genii> Weird.
[07:09] <bazhang> bot-sentry prevented him from responding I guess
[07:10] <elky> bazhang, which is clearly why he eventually did reply, right?
[07:11] <bazhang> elky, the response was after parting this channel
[07:11] <elky> bazhang, that he PM'd you at all indicates he at least knew you PM'd him.
[07:12] <bazhang> elky, ah right, I missed that sorry
[07:12] <elky> Also, the lack of bot sentry the second time ;)
[07:12] <bazhang> true :)
[07:16] <jussi> Just had  a quick PM with theadmin about recomending linux mint.
[07:21] <jussi> ok, my knowledge is really lacking. I hope this isnt a forkbomb...
[07:21] <jussi> [09:20:39] <theadmin> frankie_: Just don't be afraid when you see something like id |sed "s/^[^(]*(\([^)]*\)).*/\1/"
[07:22] <tsimpson> it's not, it's regex :)
[07:22] <jussi> right :)
[07:22]  * jussi slinks off somewhere else...
[07:22] <tsimpson> matches something inside of parentheses
[08:00] <genii> 3am, good night
[08:02] <jussi> nini genii
[08:24] <dholbach> good morning
[08:36] <rocket16> Hello, as a regular user of Ubuntu IRC, I request the attention of Operators to ban Bazhang, from #ubuntu channel. Please consider the plea, and take measures.
[08:42] <rocket16> Please consider the matter, for it is serious. As an impartial viewer, you'll probably see that what he's been doing, is no less than misusing #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu channels. So, if you don't ban him immediately, a steady fall of Ubuntu users using the IRC is inevitable. For sake of this marvellous OS, (I am not requesting anyone, for people here aren't that great to be requested, what is evident from their previous activities) do something, pl
[08:44] <rocket16> mneptok: Also, as for your kind information, in reply to "IRC is not Court-room", on rule of IRC, is the fact that one can't misuse it. People like bazhang and billy2007 get to the top, because of blind supporters, like many of the Operators, who even did not take a look at anything going on the main channel. And I am sorry to say, please stop favouring those ill people, for helping and supporting bad makes one bad as well.
[08:44] <rocket16> Thanks and Bye.
[08:46] <jpds> ....
[08:50] <tsimpson> rocket16 is currently ban evading
[08:50] <tsimpson> a ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was set
[08:51] <tsimpson> I guess I just volunteered to speak to him
[08:56] <tsimpson> hello rocket16
[08:56] <rocket16> Hello tsimpson,
[08:56] <tsimpson> let me just get a log for the original ban
[08:57] <rocket16> Sure,
[08:58] <tsimpson> rocket16: ok, do you know why you were banned in the first place?
[08:58] <tsimpson> bazhang: ping btw
[08:59] <Flannel> rocket16: I removed you from #ubuntu because you were ban evading.  Having a conversation here doesn't affect your status there.
[08:59] <rocket16> Yes, I know, I asked bazhang and billy2007 not to discuss offtopic, and also, billy2007 called me "idiot", for which I requested him not to use such language.
[09:00] <tsimpson> rocket16: I'm looking at the log, I don't see where they were offtopic
[09:00] <rocket16> tsimpson: They were simply using things like "Hello, how are you", and what I did, was just a formal offtopic alert,
[09:01] <tsimpson> 2010-04-21T05:20:36 <billy2007> bazhang, you here?
[09:01] <tsimpson> 2010-04-21T05:20:52 <bazhang> billy2007, hi
[09:01] <tsimpson> 2010-04-21T05:21:15 <billy2007> bazhang, i was speaking to you the other day about my webcam i dont know if you remember
[09:01] <tsimpson> I don't see that
[09:01] <rocket16> Flannel: Sorry, I tried to close #ubuntu in my IRC, but it crashed.
[09:01] <Flannel> rocket16: No worries, figured I'd just give you some assistance
[09:01] <tsimpson> the next relevant message is from you: 2010-04-21T05:21:54 <rocket161> billy2007: bazhang: This is the Support Channel. Please don't make offtopic discussions here.
[09:02] <rocket16> tsimpson: But I did nothing wrong, and the other day, I was warned when I just said "hello" to a person.
[09:02] <rocket16> tsimpson: Yes, but wasn't that offtopic? Like saying "hi" and "hello" etc?
[09:02] <tsimpson> but that is clearly a continuation of support afaiks
[09:02] <rocket16> Flannel: Thanks
[09:02] <jpds> ping / pong ... support.
[09:03] <tsimpson> billy2007 was also wrong in somewhat provoking you, but that's a separate issue
[09:03] <rocket16> tsimpson: Right,
[09:03] <tsimpson> then, however, you became off-topic yourself
[09:03] <rocket16> tsimpson: I agree, Billy2007 started the issue again,
[09:03] <rocket16> tsimpson: But languages like "idiot", are they welcome in #ubuntu?
[09:04] <tsimpson> no, but as I said, it's another issue we'll deal with
[09:04] <rocket16> tsimpson: Oh, sorry for not getting it, I understood
[09:04] <tsimpson> carrying on a conversation about how you think someone is off-topic is, itself, off-topic
[09:05] <tsimpson> and you were asked to stop before being removed the first time
[09:05] <tsimpson> you then rejoined and continued again
[09:05] <tsimpson> and also threatened someone
[09:05] <tsimpson> which is also not appropriate for #ubuntu
[09:05] <rocket16> tsimpson: Yes, but however, I did nothing wrong, really. I just asked ubutto to send then an alert, and they simply removed.
[09:05] <tsimpson> 2010-04-21T05:36:31 <rocket16> bazhang: Continue misusing your Operator status, and you'll get the result,
[09:06] <rocket16> tsimpson: But why should he always kick people? That is not right, he did that multiple times, in a previous issue
[09:06] <tsimpson> you were removed because you were asked to stop the discussion about who was/was not off-topic
[09:06] <rocket16> tsimpson: The ubuntu offtopic channel, is made unfit because of people like bazhang there, who kick new users from there (after they protest against slangs used by AtomikSpark)
[09:06] <tsimpson> which is an off-topic conversation
[09:07] <tsimpson> let's deal with _this_ issue first
[09:07] <rocket16> tsimpson: Oh, very sorry, an urgent issue here. Please excuse me for five minutes, :(
[09:08] <rocket16> I am rejoining soon after
[09:08] <tsimpson> you were asked to stop the discussion, and were removed for continuing. when you re-joined you still continued and said something which could be persevered as a threat
[09:08] <tsimpson> after that, you were then banned
[09:09] <persia> perceived
[09:09] <tsimpson> 9am, still waiting for the caffeine to kick in :)
[09:18] <rocket16> Hello
[09:19] <rocket16> tsimpson: But in return, please consider what Blly2007 said, "idiot" and so,
[09:19] <rocket16> tsimpson: If the rules are so strict, why shan't he be banned?
[09:19] <tsimpson> rocket16: Billy2007 was warned while you wern't there
[09:19] <rocket16> tsimpson: Also, you yourself said that the issues are not related
[09:20] <rocket16> tsimpson: I see, my apologies,
[09:20] <rocket16> tsimpson: I did not see that warning, but such a word is heinous here
[09:21] <rocket16> tsimpson: Also, people like bazhang should not misuse their powers. Why did he kick me? Because Billy2007 asked him, isn't it?
[09:21] <tsimpson> no, because you were off-topic
[09:21] <rocket16> tsimpson: Such a person is unfit to be an Operator of such important a channel.
[09:21] <rocket16> tsimpson: I did not continue the discussion, and just asked ubutto once. But Billy2007 started it again,
[09:22] <tsimpson> after being removed, you di...
[09:22] <rocket16> Sorry, I got disconnected.
[09:22] <tsimpson> rocket16: after being removed, you did continue
[09:23] <tsimpson> a remove is the 2nd form of warning you ignored
[09:23] <tsimpson> you were asked to stop, you were removed, and finally banned after continueing
[09:23] <rocket16> tsimpson: But why should any person have the right to kick any person without any reason? Also, please pay attention to what Billy2007 said, that is no less than a quarrel "Now say, how was I offtipoc"
[09:24] <tsimpson> as I said, he was told to stop
[09:24] <rocket16> I said nothing, when they were discussing about a topic-related issue. But Billy2007 started the offtopic discussion again
[09:25] <rocket16> But he did not, he continued, to offend me with "idiot", and he was not kicked, but I was,
[09:25] <tsimpson> you re-joined and continued, then posted a threat-like message
[09:25] <rocket16> That is not a threat, for information. That was a simple thing, which meant "Stop misusing your powers, or the results won't be fine."
[09:25] <tsimpson> no, I'm looking at the log now. you were removed, the first thing you did after re-joining was 2010-04-21T05:36:10 <rocket16> billy2007: Hey, last warning to you, watch your language.
[09:26] <tsimpson> there was no message to you after you re-joined
[09:26] <rocket16> Sure, I did, as a reply to "idiot"
[09:26] <rocket16> But before it was, I could not get the chance of answering to "idiot"
[09:26] <tsimpson> you shouldn't have responded to it at all
[09:26] <rocket16> Might be, sorry
[09:27] <rocket16> But that really offends anyone,
[09:27] <tsimpson> which is why he was told to stop
[09:27] <rocket16> So, that was a saying, asking him to stop, which he ignored, and continued to plead bazhang to ban me,
[09:27] <tsimpson> I can assure you, you were not banned because someone ask for you to be
[09:27] <rocket16> But did he stop? No, he kept on saying ill things to bazhang, which bazhang did.
[09:28] <tsimpson> that's not how it works
[09:28] <tsimpson> that you were banned and that someone asked for it are coincidental
[09:28] <rocket16> My question is, will I ever be allowed to rejoin #ubuntu? Or else, I'll feel sorry, but no problem, I'll leave #ubuntu for ever.
[09:29] <tsimpson> if you can agree to follow the rules, an keep in mind that discussing someone being off-topic is also being off-topic
[09:29] <tsimpson> !guideliens
[09:29] <tsimpson> !guidelines
[09:29] <tsimpson> for reference ^
[09:30] <rocket16> A misunderstanding between an user and operator, will always give the operator the greater hand, and so did get bazhang.
[09:30] <rocket16> I see.
[09:30] <tsimpson> that's why this channel exists, so we can discuss and come to a solution
[09:30] <tsimpson> if you agree to the rules, and learn from this experience, you can certainly re-join #ubuntu
[09:31] <rocket16> I see. I definitely agree to the terms,
[09:32] <tsimpson> rocket16: ok, you are free to participate in #ubuntu and part this channel. thanks for coming here to discuss it
[09:33] <rocket16> And I did too, but after what I saw, and how people like bazhang and billy2007 behave, (Especially bazhang, so he misuses his Operator powers, for which he is required to be removed from Operator, it is a responsibility, as said in the guidelines. But however, all of you people, do your tasks nicely, leaving bazhang, who keeps on using his privileges in a wrong way.
[09:34] <rocket16> So, it is better for me to quit #ubuntu, but as an advice, please don't allow people like bazhang as Operators, for this will have a negative impact on the entire community.
[09:34] <tsimpson> we'll keep your concerns in mind and deal with operators internally
[09:34] <rocket16> So, I guess it is the time to leave #ubuntu, and permanently.
[09:34] <tsimpson> that is up to you
[09:35] <tsimpson> rocket16: if there is nothing else, please part this channel
[09:35] <rocket16> I have decided to take away my name from #ubuntu, and so shall I. But as an admirer of this fabulous OS, please remember this occasion. Thank you tsimpson, for your help. I would have liked to stay in #ubuntu much longer, but because of bazhang, I am leaving. Bye, and thanks again.
[09:36] <tsimpson> ok, thanks
[09:36] <rocket16> tsimpson: Thank you,Iam doing this already. No need to ask em again and again.
[09:36] <tsimpson> @mark rocket16 -ops conversation in reference to the ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:31] <bazhang> whoa sorry to be away.
[10:31] <bazhang> tsimpson, my apologies
[10:34] <tsimpson> bazhang: don't worry about it, I think I got the message across
[11:21] <jussi> !-mc44
[11:21] <jussi> !-mc44-#ubuntu-offtopic
[11:21] <jussi> !forget mc44-#ubuntu-offtopic
[11:21] <jussi> I thought it was agreed that there were to be no vanity factoids.
[11:24] <bazhang> there are still a few more around as well
[11:24] <bazhang> !-lies-#ubuntu-offtopic
[11:25] <jussi> lies!
[11:25] <jussi> :D
[11:25] <jussi> !lies
[11:25] <jussi> yeah, that one is different
[11:25] <bazhang> also !pony
[11:25] <jussi> pony is fine
[11:26] <jussi> but ones that are !$name
[11:26] <bazhang> okay
[11:29] <Seeker`> hmmwut?
[11:30] <Seeker`> so "mc44 is..." is wrong but "...and mc44" is fine?
[11:30] <jussi> Seeker`: factoid that are there for the sole purpose of an individual, ie !mc44 are not correct.
[11:31] <Seeker`> well, that !lies one seems fairly personalised
[11:31] <bazhang> !seeker
[11:34] <Seeker`> I just don't see what the objection to !mc44 is if you can have "personalised" ones, as long as they aren't !<name>
[11:36] <Seeker`> jussi: ??
[11:41] <tsimpson> anyway !lies should be !lies-#ubuntu-offtopic, same for !maybe
[11:47] <jussi> !maybe
[11:47] <jussi> heh
[11:47] <jussi> elky: when you wake up/look in take a peak at: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-Compaq-AirLife-100-on-US-website/
[12:01] <Seeker`> jussi: ?
[12:01] <jussi> hrm?
[12:02] <Seeker`> would something like "!superop is Oh no! A Super Op is about! watch out, it might be bazhang" be acceptable?
[12:08] <Seeker`> jussi: ^
[12:08] <bazhang> anyone see poutine in -ot?
[12:09] <Seeker`> bazhang: spoken to him?
[12:09] <bazhang> Seeker`, he was told before about 040
[12:09] <bazhang> err o4o
[12:10] <Seeker`> ah, you aren't an -offtopic op?
[12:11] <bazhang> nope
[12:11] <gord> i has an eye out now
[12:11] <Seeker`> ditto
[12:22] <elky> jussi, niiice, an absurd mouse pad though, but veeery nice
[12:23] <jussi> Seeker`: not really. lemme think about it some
[12:24] <elky> with android as the default OS? very interesting
[12:29] <Seeker`> jussi: or to put it another way, would "!mc44 is <reply> Mostly just statistics and mc44, but yeah" be acceptable?
[12:33] <elky> IMHO no.
[12:34] <elky> i'd s/mc44/caek/ for !lies to be honest.
[12:34] <elky> much funnier
[13:02] <h00k> Pici: I don't know...what is going on
[14:16] <txwikinger> morning
[14:31] <jussi> morning txwikinger
[14:31] <txwikinger> hi jussi
[14:41] <funkyHat> I think mc44 is definitely funnier than caek
[14:43] <jussi> s/mc44/politicians/ ?
[14:48] <Pici> hrm.
[14:50] <h00k> heh
[15:02] <popey> @login
[15:02] <popey> @btlogin
[15:22]  * genii scrapes the crud out of his eyes, makes some coffee, and tries to stay focused
[15:22] <h00k> way to be.
[15:23] <Pici> ikonia: I don't think you saw this yesterday, but I thought you'd get a kick out of it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/419524/
[15:24] <ikonia> lets see
[15:25] <ikonia> ha ha, where did that come from ?
[15:25] <Pici> Someone in #ubuntu who wanted help fixing his system.
[15:28] <ikonia> I'm secretly glad I did miss that
[15:29]  * elky snorts ginger beer all over the place.
[15:29] <elky> "Hi, I changed everything. Why doesn't my system work anymore?"
[15:30] <Pici> Er, folks it may be best to bring Nece228 in here or talk to him in pm. -offtopic is getting a bit well.. offtopic.
[15:31] <Pici> Plus we don't need every op thats around to pounce at once :)
[15:31] <ikonia> I'm not watching so go for it
[15:32] <genii> I'm still trying to wake up
[15:33] <jussi> so, can someone explain to me why when you send an email to people and theywrite back using the spelling "Jussy" even though its correctly spelled right there in front of them?
[15:34] <knome> jussi, because of Daviey, Pricey and elky
[15:34] <knome> (and Popey)
[15:34] <topyli> it's one of the perks of having a finnish name. the variations can be endless!
[15:34] <elky> Whatever you say, knomey.
[15:34] <knome> elky, ;]
[15:34] <popey> pffft, some people still call me popeye
[15:34] <Pici> hmph
[15:35] <knome> popey, lol
[15:35] <elky> ...the sailor man.
[15:35] <jussi> hehe
[15:35] <h00k> toot toot
[15:35] <popey> I puke on boats.
[15:35] <popey> not a good popeye
[15:35] <knome> TMI
[15:35] <jussi> This time it was Marianna from canonical, but it seems to happen quite often...
[15:36] <knome> is puking on boats some kind of new hippie/anarchist trend?
[15:36] <elky> knome, yes, his stomach is revolting against his act of being on a boat.
[15:37]  * knome was imagining popey on a pier and puking all over the luxury boats
[15:38]  * knome takes a quick nap
[15:39] <elky> Yeah, it's terribly rude of him. How would he like it if those boats puked on him.
[15:40] <popey> one did once. :(
[15:40] <popey> diesel, all over me :(
[15:40] <elky> :(
[16:20] <gnomefreak> dont we have an op or 2 that maintains ubuntuforums
[16:21] <Pici> gnomefreak: the channel or the forums themselves?
[16:21] <gnomefreak> forums them selves
[16:21] <Pici> Price-y, mac-o
[16:22]  * txwikinger sends popey(e) some spinach
[16:22] <gnomefreak> there are alot of forums channels so i figured i would start here
[16:24] <gnomefreak> Pici: ah nevermind i found what i was looking for
[16:24] <Pici> Okay!
[19:56] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: are you one of ubottu maintainers?
[20:04] <jpds> gnomefreak: Yes.
[20:04] <gnomefreak> jpds: you too?
[20:05] <jpds> Me, not so much.
[20:05] <gnomefreak> !info galeon lucid
[20:05] <gnomefreak> ^^^ outdated
[20:05] <gnomefreak> we no longer have it
[20:09] <persia> Just needs a cache update: this is likely a cronjob somewhere.
[20:11] <jpds> Seriously Launchpad, make it easy to find why a package was deleted by default.
[20:11] <jpds> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galeon - no info
[20:11] <persia> But it's secret :)
[20:12] <jpds> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/galeon - no info.
[20:12] <persia> Dormant upstream, effort to maintain due to xulrunner (LP: #553049)
[20:12] <persia> (from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galeon/+publishinghistory )
[20:12] <jpds> Aha, le +publishinghistory.
[20:17] <gnomefreak> upstream no longer maintaining it AFIK
[20:21] <gord> oh wow. galeon still existed?
[20:24] <Pici> aww.. dillo isn't published anymore either
[20:24] <persia> lucid: now with fewer browsers :)
[20:28] <gnomefreak> oh and kazehakase was also removed some time ago
[21:06] <AcePreshaw> helo
[21:06] <Pici> AcePreshaw: Hi, how can we help you today?
[21:07] <AcePreshaw> can i be a op im ubnutu?
[21:08] <AcePreshaw> or here
[21:09] <ikonia> lets have a look at your history
[21:10] <AcePreshaw> in
[21:10] <Pici> AcePreshaw: We actually just finished our recruiting drive for new operators.  So, we probably will not be looking for any for a bit.  If we do, will will make an announcement on our mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-irc
[21:10] <AcePreshaw> im not in it
[21:10] <Pici> You can sign up, its open to anyone.
[21:11] <AcePreshaw> can i be a op
[21:11] <ikonia> you're not a good listener
[21:11] <Pici> AcePreshaw: We are not currently looking for new operators.
[21:11] <AcePreshaw> :(
[21:11] <AcePreshaw> im too
[21:12] <ikonia> why did you do that
[21:13] <AcePreshaw> i want do look
[21:13] <AcePreshaw> a
[21:13] <ikonia> what ?
[21:14] <ikonia> AcePreshaw: is there anything else you need for the operator team at this time ?
[21:14] <AcePreshaw> im soz
[21:15] <AcePreshaw> no soz
[21:15] <ikonia> AcePreshaw: ok, well if you don't need anything more, could you please leave the channel as this channel has a no idle policy so that users with a problem can be helped
[21:16] <AcePreshaw> ok bye
[21:16] <ikonia> bye
[21:17] <Mamarok> what does soz mean?
[21:17] <Pici> 'sorry'
[21:17] <Pici> I think...
[21:17] <Mamarok> ah
[21:17] <h00k> it's so clear now!
[21:18] <knome> like what
[21:18] <knome> is
[21:20] <Pici> okay, now I'm really going afk
[21:21] <knome> have fun


[01:01] <Sven_vB> Hi! known bug? HTTP 500 + "Unexpected error in translatePath." https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/
[01:01] <Sven_vB> I wish I'd have kept yesterday's clone…
[01:02] <Sven_vB> cool, seems to work again. thanks!
[01:20] <smoser> $ git clone -v ssh://git.launchpad.net/usd-importer xxusd
[01:20] <smoser> Cloning into 'xxusd'...
[01:20] <smoser> remote: Counting objects: 141
[01:20] <smoser> ...
[01:20] <smoser> *really* slow. i thought it had hung several times
[01:22] <hloeung> there's some ongoing rebalancing work, I think it's related
[01:23] <smoser> ok. more just a report. not a big problem for me
[01:23] <smoser> thanks


[02:03] <jtholmes> can anyone tell me how i can download the partman files that are part of the ubiquity installer
[08:25] <mvo> hm, I got a timed login screen with the live-cd from today. that waits 10s before logging in ubuntu - is that known/expected
[08:55] <davmor2> Morning Everybody
[09:22] <davmor2> Anybody got a hardy server with a samba share on it?
[09:56] <davmor2> schwuk: just the man
[09:57] <schwuk> davmor2: I never touched it! It was like that when I got there!
[09:59] <davmor2> schwuk: do you happen to have a hardy server at home with a samba share on it?
[10:00] <schwuk> davmor2: no, but I can have in a ridiculously short amount of time.
[10:02] <davmor2> schwuk: can you see if you can get jaunty to connect to it using the "network" part of places.  It's failing for me here.  But is working on intrepid, xp and vista
[10:03] <schwuk> davmor2: straight through, although - TBF - I was already connected to that server.
[10:04] <schwuk> davmor2: but browsing worked
[10:06] <davmor2> Mine lists Windows Network, then WORKGROUP, and then fails with failed to retrieve share list from server
[10:08] <davmor2> it's not picking up my server name like it used too
[10:23] <davmor2> so schwuk when you click on Network do you the name of your server?
[11:05] <schwuk> davmor2: Yes
[11:05] <davmor2> schwuk: that's what mine isn't doing
[11:06] <davmor2> so I wonder why that is
[11:39] <davmor2> schwuk: Yay I can connect via connect to server
[12:58] <fader_> davmor2: Good afternoon :)
[12:59] <davmor2> fader_: morning
[12:59] <davmor2> fader_: I've killed my usb pen drive I think :(
[12:59] <fader_> davmor2: My advice would be not to do that.
[13:00] <fader_> Too much plugging and unplugging?
[13:00] <davmor2> fader_: Fortunately I have another so I got unr back on my AAO
[13:00] <davmor2> fader_: Too much overwritting
[13:01] <fader_> davmor2: Hah, I thought that after spending a week upgrading Linpus on it you'd want to keep it that way ;)
[13:01] <davmor2> fader_: Cough * SUCKS!!!!! *Cough
[13:01] <fader_> :)
[13:04] <davmor2> fader_: To be fair for the average web user moving over from windows it's probably great.  However for any other user it's so limited
[13:04] <fader_> davmor2: To be honest, I know absolutely nothing about it. :/  Maybe I should dig through Wikipedia a bit. :)
[13:05] <davmor2> fader_: I can create an iso of the cd for you if you want :)
[13:06] <fader_> davmor2: I think I'll probably pass on that, thanks :)
[13:06] <davmor2> fader_: Coward
[13:06] <fader_> :P
[13:07] <fader_> Their website doesn't inspire confidence, especially when clicking on screenshots gets me 404s
[13:14] <davmor2> :D
[13:19] <davmor2> fader_: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/08/15/aspire_one_10.png
[13:20] <fader_> That doesn't look too bad, but it's tough to know how well it works from the screenshot
[13:20] <fader_> The icons are nice, in that late-90s sort of way
[13:20] <davmor2> fader_: Again I'll happily create an iso of the cd for you :)
[13:21] <fader_> Hehe
[13:22] <davmor2> fader_: there is only one true way to try it you know that don't you ;)
[13:22] <fader_> davmor2: I'd love to but, uh, I have to attend the opening of my garage door.
[13:22] <davmor2> lmao
[14:29] <jtholmes> cjwatson, if you have time pls chk the last entry on #354515  i was able to bypass the portman 141 error
[14:29] <jtholmes> portman=partman
[14:30] <jtholmes> jtholmes  bbl
[14:35] <cjwatson> jtholmes: ah, it's a simple typo. I'll fix it now, thanks
[14:35] <cjwatson> I'd written . instead of _
[14:55] <jtholmes> cjwatson, mind telling me in what file the typo existed
[14:58] <cjwatson> jtholmes: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/3191, if you can manage to get that to load. It's in ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py
[14:59] <jtholmes> cjwatson, thanks will try
[15:11] <eeejay> yo yo
[15:11] <eeejay> where is ara? holiday?
[15:20] <jtholmes> cjwatson, made change from  .  to _  in my installer.  reran installer works fine, btw the 'weak password' string change looks good also
[15:23] <cjwatson> good stuff, thanks for retesting
[15:27] <jtholmes> cjwatson, i will also test tomorrows daily to be sure and add my results to the bug comments thanks
[17:17] <davmor2> anyone else having issues filing bugs
[17:19] <davmor2> charlie-tca: hello
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Hello, davmor2
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Like the page won't come up?
[17:21] <charlie-tca> I can read launchpad pages, but get a Timeout error on the main bugs page
[17:21] <davmor2> like it timesout after I add the title for the bug
[17:21] <charlie-tca> You got further than me, then
[17:22] <davmor2> charlie-tca: not good then
[17:22] <charlie-tca> I just asked in #launchpad
[17:23] <davmor2> mine is about 4 above yours
[17:23] <charlie-tca> It is being worked
[17:59] <jtholmes> I just added a comment to a bug but have not opened a new one today
[18:35] <jtholmes> can anyone tell me what virtual machine the developers (and others) use for testing releases of ubuntu
[18:38] <davmor2> jtholmes: pick one.  you can chroot, kvm, virtualbox is about the easiest, xen etc etc etc
[18:38] <davmor2> jtholmes: they all work in a pretty similar manner
[18:40] <charlie-tca> I use VirtualBox to test all flavors, then do a hardware test if it fails anything
[19:20] <jtholmes> charlie-tca, what do you mean do a hardware test, load on a real machine?
[19:20] <charlie-tca> yes, I have extra systems here I use for testing
[19:21] <jtholmes> me too, just wanted clarification there as I plan to start using vb to test
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I test in virtualbox daily, pre-release in VB and hardware, and anything that fails in VB gets tested on hardware
[19:22] <jtholmes> guess so
[19:22] <jtholmes> the one question i have is how to you load the iso in the vb is there a wiki page?
[19:23] <jtholmes> i dont want to burn cd's
[19:23] <charlie-tca> I go through over 100 a month
[19:23] <jtholmes> yikes
[19:24] <jtholmes> i wanted to load it from a hard disk like i do now
[19:24] <charlie-tca> It is just like painkillers for me
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Yeah, the advantage to VB is you can do that. It seems to be mostly reliable, but sometimes the VB fails are not repeatable on hardware.
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Also, sometimes I get hardware fails that are not reproducable in any vm
[19:25] <jtholmes> thats interesting
[19:26] <jtholmes> well thanks for the info
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Have fun with testing.
[19:26] <jtholmes> sure
[20:35] <sbeattie> charlie-tca: have you given any more thought to bug 355370?
[20:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 355370 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver does not respect screensaver selection" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355370
[20:36] <charlie-tca> yes, let's do it. I'll ask to have the other Screensavers thing removed.
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Sorry. cody-somerville assigned to to xubuntu-desktop-team
[22:55] <nagappan> cr3, one of test engineer trying to mount a floppy on Ubuntu 8.10, but could not see any device in /dev, any clues how we can mount and test it ?
[22:58] <dtchen> which kernel is used?
[22:58] <dtchen> see also bug 255651
[22:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 255651 in linux "floppy disk drive not detected (module not loaded) in Intrepid and Jaunty" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255651
[23:01] <cr3> nagappan: never heard of this "floppy" you speak of :)
[23:02] <nagappan> dtchen, let me check it
[23:02] <nagappan> cr3, thanks
[23:02] <cr3> nagappan: seriously though, dtchen probably gave an excellent lead... as usual
[23:03] <nagappan> cr3, :)
[23:04] <nagappan> dtchen, looks some what similar, let us verify here and get back to you shortly :)
[23:04] <nagappan> dtchen, thanks