[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:25] <zipper> What's the status of Wayland in Ubuntu 13.04? Will they at least try to make it System composer as it was planned for 12.10. As far as I heard it was not discussed on the UDS..
[14:34] <bazhang> !find wayland
[14:36] <zipper> bazhang: I know wayland is packaged for 13.04. I wonder if it will make it in the base system itself
[14:36] <bazhang> zipper, not sure there, let me check
[14:39] <bazhang> so far, seems no
[15:38] <matrizactiva> hi all, just downloaded the daily build, but the installer blocks on the second step, any hints?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> mat did you do a checksum , or md5 sum ?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> matrizactiva,^
[16:04] <nikolam> ayone knows if ubuntu 13.04 will come with
[16:04] <nikolam> 3.6 kernel (I ask for btrfs send)
[16:05] <nikolam> or may be it can be before April '13 ? :)
[17:04] <matrizactiva> BluesKaj: sorry, wasnt here. yep, i've checked. i downloaded onee yesterday and one today, same problem
[17:05] <yofel> nikolam: probably 3.7 or 3.8, right now it's at 3.7-rc5
[17:09] <matrizactiva> sounds like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1080701
[17:10] <matrizactiva> but i'm on 64 bits. where can i see the log from the installer?


[10:10] <CIA-28> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1616 ubuntu/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.2.0-12 kernels.
[10:14] <CIA-28> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1617 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu101
[17:19] <bluenemo> dd is (like cat and ls for example) part of available tools in the initramfs root right?
[17:19] <bluenemo> (using 10.04...)
[17:40] <cjwatson> bluenemo: yes


[00:49] <spiv> exalt: The problem is "Permission denied (publickey)"
[00:50] <spiv> exalt: /away
[00:50] <spiv> oops
[00:50] <exalt> spiv, yeah but bzr whoami returns my user
[00:50] <exalt> so i am logged in
[00:50] <spiv> exalt: try "ssh -l YOUR_LAUNCHPAD_USERNAME bazaar.launchpad.net"
[00:50] <spiv> And perhaps add -v for more debugging
[00:51] <spiv> I think you'll find that those commands also fail with that error
[00:54] <exalt> debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 279
[00:54] <exalt> Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.
[00:55] <exalt> spiv, ^
[00:57] <JackyAlcine> Hello, I'm having an issue with pushing code to a branch.
[00:58] <jelmer> hi JackyAlcine
[00:58] <JackyAlcine> Give me a moment to compile necessary info to a pastebin
[00:58] <JackyAlcine> http://pastebin.com/V7RJ74t1
[00:59] <JackyAlcine> That's my friend's bin.
[00:59] <JackyAlcine> And he can't pull code from branch lp:libopenmary-c++
[00:59] <exalt> JackyAlcine, hi :)
[01:00] <JackyAlcine> lol
[01:00] <JackyAlcine> jelmer: exalt's the person in need of assistance.
[01:02] <exalt> spiv, it seems the server accepts my key but then fails at it
[01:03] <exalt> jelmer, ^
[01:05] <jelmer> hi exalt
[01:05] <jelmer> sorry, was not watching IRC very closely
[01:06] <jelmer> exalt: it looks like you don't have the right SSH key up on launchpad
[01:06] <exalt> jelmer, ive searched for my error:
[01:07] <exalt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/201786https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/201786
[01:07] <exalt> seems like min
[01:07] <exalt> mine
[01:08] <spiv> exalt: try running "ssh-add"
[01:09] <spiv> exalt: and/or try the workarounds in the later comments.
[01:09] <exalt> spiv, got it working
[01:09] <exalt> thanx all
[09:51] <twb> ssh-copy-id bazaar.launchpad.net ==> Not allowed to execute 'umask 077; test -d .ssh || mkdir .ssh ; cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys'.
[09:51] <twb> Is there a way to upload additional keys WITHOUT using the web interface?
[09:52] <maxb> no, there isn't
[09:53] <twb> OK, I'll just use the git mirror for Emacs.  I just realized bzr clone gets OOM-killed anyway.
[10:26] <Miika--> Hello, does bazaar need to be installed on remote system to push / pull through ssh?
[10:27] <Peng> Miika--: bzr+ssh: Yes. That's what the "bzr+" means. sftp: No, but performance isn't as good as bzr+ssh.
[10:30] <Miika--> I mean, if I have bzr installed on my local, working computer, but I have only remote storage, with no bzr installed. Does push / pull work to that remote location?
[10:31] <Peng> Miika--: I know that's what you meant.
[10:34] <Miika--> Ok, thanks
[10:35] <Peng> Installing bzr on the remote server would be ideal since, as I said, sftp's performance is inferior.
[10:37] <Tak> besides - is a computer without bzr really a computer? :-P
[11:19] <catphish> are revision numbers in bzr always sequential?
[11:19] <catphish> by which i mean, if i find a revision called 100, are there definitely 99 ancestors?
[11:23] <Peng> There could be more ancestors, of course. The "100" refers only to mainline revisions.
[11:24] <catphish> what is a revision that's not mainline?
[11:25] <catphish> i was working on the (possibly incorrect) assumption that bzr branches were linear like svn
[11:27] <Peng> Bazaar's merging support isn't crap. Revisions can have more than one parent.
[11:28] <catphish> where are the parents located?
[11:28] <catphish> in another branch?
[11:28] <Peng> What do you mean?
[11:28] <catphish> i'm struggling to understand the structure
[11:29] <Peng> The docs should explain it well enough.
[11:29] <Miika--> Does bzr-git support git submodules?
[11:29] <catphish> you say a commit scan have more than one parent
[11:29] <catphish> *can
[11:29] <catphish> one parent i assume must be the previous tip? but where does the other one point?
[11:29] <Peng> catphish: Right. "bzr merge some_other branch; bzr commit". That revision's parents are the previous tip from this branch + the tip from the branch you merged in.
[11:29] <Peng> Err, "bzr merge some_other_branch" *
[11:30] <catphish> so a parent is either a revision number, or a url and a revision number?
[11:31] <Peng> No, revisions have GUIDs. Revision numbers are just a convenient per-branch representation.
[11:31] <catphish> ooo that's good
[11:32] <Peng> You know how git and hg use SHA-1 hashes? Bazaar does something similar, though the format is not restricted, and they're usually just randomly-generated.
[11:32] <Peng> catphish: You can pass --show-ids to "bzr log" and maybe some other commands, though it's not really very interesting.
[11:34] <catphish> so it's not possible to follow a parent and find the actual commit?
[11:34] <catphish> since it could be anywhere in a remote repo
[11:35] <catphish> or will those parent commits actually get pulled into the branch too?
[11:37] <Peng> "bzr merge" pulls the revisions into the local repo.
[11:37] <catphish> i ask because i'm making a log viewer
[11:38] <catphish> so i'm not totally sure what commits i can show, starting from a given revision
[11:38] <Peng> Obviously lightweight checkouts and stacked branches may not have all revisions locally, but they will be in the remote repo.
[11:39] <Peng> Unless they're ghosts, in which case the revision really isn't anywhere. But that's not a common situation.
[11:39] <catphish> the repo i'm testing with doesn't appear to have any revisions with multiple parents sadly
[11:39] <Peng> Nobody's merged? Ever? How boring.
[11:41] <catphish> ah found one :)
[11:43] <Peng> :D
[11:43] <catphish> the merged branches seem to be inside the commit message
[11:43] <catphish> *merged commits
[11:43] <catphish> in the log view
[11:45] <Miika--> How I can clone a project with submodules from github using bzr-git? It says about repository formats supporting nested trees
[11:45] <fax8> hi guys, I recall that there was a documentation page with suggestion on how to structure a bzr repository..
[11:46] <fax8> it seems that I'm not able to find it anymore.. can you guys point me to it?
[11:47] <catphish> fax8: structure one? do you mean using "bzr init-repo" to create a repo then create branches inside?
[11:47] <Miika--> Or, how I can change default repo format?
[11:48] <Peng> catphish: Yes, that's how "bzr log" displays it.
[11:48] <catphish> ok :)
[11:54] <fax8> catphish: how to structure it in a smart way.. I mean creating folder and subfolders using "trunk" or folders for various stable releases.. stuff like that
[12:15] <catphish> fax8: not sure, i'm a newbie here
[12:19] <fax8> catphish: thanks anyway
[12:19] <fax8> goodbye everybody!
[13:43] <janisozaur> hello. I have two separate branches (standalone trees, 2a) that share some code, but are not tied to each other via bzr. I've done some changes to branch A, that I'd like to introduce to branch B. how can I do that? preferably keeping commit logs, though it can be done manually, as there are not many revisions
[13:44] <LeoNerd> bzr replay   might be able to do it
[13:44] <LeoNerd> In fact I know it can because I've used that before in this very situation
[13:44] <janisozaur> LeoNerd, my bzr doesn't know such command
[13:44] <LeoNerd> Applying an identical bugfix to unrelated trees
[13:45] <LeoNerd> It's part of the rebase plugin
[13:46] <janisozaur> LeoNerd, thanks, will see to that.
[13:47] <janisozaur> also, I remember I've used 'bzr patch' once to merge in output of 'bzr diff', but I can no longer see the command. is it from a plugin or was it removed or just my memory doesn't serve me well?
[13:47] <LeoNerd> I expect that's what became  bzr replay
[13:47] <janisozaur> LeoNerd, ah, thanks a lot then
[13:47] <LeoNerd> replay  reapplies a given patch into the current branch
[13:48] <LeoNerd> bzr replay -r 123 /path/to/source/branch
[13:50] <fullermd> 'bzr patch' is part of bzrtools.  But it doesn't really do anything that regular patch(1) doesn't.
[14:18] <maxb> The rebase plugin is called the rewrite plugin these days
[15:55]  * catphish is sad because bzr diff returns non-zero exit codes on success :(
[15:56] <poolie> catphish, they have meanings
[15:56] <poolie> like 'there are uncommitted changes'
[15:56] <catphish> i know what they mean
[15:56] <spiv> james_w: do you have time to keep working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/653307 today?
[15:56] <catphish> it just happens to be a problem for me that it exits non-zero on success
[15:56] <james_w> spiv, should do yeah, but I have something urgent to do this morning
[15:57] <spiv> james_w: ok, give me a poke or come say hello later if you want
[15:57] <james_w> spiv, I can probably come up after lunch again
[15:57] <spiv> Sounds good
[15:57] <catphish> i will need to write a wrapper that exits zero unless the exit code is 3
[15:59] <poolie> catphish, in a unix shell?
[15:59] <poolie> a quick way to write it is
[15:59] <poolie> bzr diff ||:
[15:59] <poolie> maxb, awake, perchance?
[16:00] <maxb> hello
[16:01] <catphish> poolie: does that just always return 0?
[16:02] <poolie> yes, it means "if this fails run :" and ":" is a builtin that returns 0
[16:02] <poolie> maxb, i just spoke to pitti about SRUs
[16:02] <catphish> poolie: unfortunately that's no use to me since i won't actually know if the diff failed
[16:02] <poolie> ah ok
[16:02] <catphish> i need some shell knowledge that returns (code != 3)
[16:03] <catphish> since diff returns 3 on a failure
[16:03] <poolie> so i guess you need bzr diff; [ $? -lt 2 ] || print "something's wrong"
[16:03] <catphish> yes :)
[16:27] <lifeless> poolie: bug 702914
[16:28] <poolie> really, interesting
[16:30] <poolie> lifeless, to avoid roundtrips, feel free to triage/assign etc
[16:31] <lifeless> poolie: I'm guessing another thread safety issue, seems fairly low frequency atm
[16:31] <poolie> k
[16:31] <lifeless> may be loggerhead, may be bzr itself
[16:31] <lifeless> I'm not sure if I should open a loggerhead task or not
[18:47] <lifeless> jelmer: are you updating loom packages too?
[18:50] <jelmer> lifeless: in the past Andrew has done the loom packages (I try to avoid packaging software I don't use for various reasons)
[18:51] <jelmer> lifeless: being on the bzr team and with their importance for UDD I should probably start using them now though
[18:51] <jelmer> lifeless: I'll have a look at updating the packages.
[18:51] <jelmer> lifeless: thanks for the reminder
[18:54] <jelmer> lifeless: did you see my reply (4 lines) ?
[19:05] <jelmer> argh
[19:07] <lifeless> jelmer: no
[20:37] <agruman> how much size does bzr take for each file (unmodified)? (does it save a copy of the file in .bzr?)
[20:40] <Peng> That's a bit complicated. Bazaar compresses everything.
[20:41] <Peng> Repositories store every revision of every file, but they're compressed six ways to Sunday.
[20:46] <agruman> Peng, ok, but if i have a single revision will it only take 1x the file size? (im not used to dvcs, been using clearcase and there the files are 1x and read only until checked out and modified)
[20:47] <lifeless> if you have a single revision the overhead will be <= gzip(file content)
[20:48] <lifeless> two revisions it will be gzip(file content + binary delta to second revision)
[20:50] <agruman> lifeless, ok, but the file would be present in its uncompressed form as well? resulting in 'file + gzip(file)'?
[20:51] <spiv> agruman: no
[20:52] <spiv> agruman: we don't store uncompressed file contents in the repository
[20:53] <Peng> Obviously the working copy is uncompressed, of course.
[20:53] <agruman> spiv, ok, then im not sure i understand. How would i read the file, would i need to decompress it?
[20:53] <agruman> Peng, k
[20:53] <lifeless> but the working copy isn't overheaad ;)
[20:54] <agruman> perhaps, depends on how you see it
[20:54] <agruman> i myself find it overhead
[20:55] <agruman> i would have wanted the size to be "repo + checked out files"
[20:57] <agruman> or is the working copy "optional"? i suppose not, but as i said this is new to me
[20:59] <lifeless> agruman: thats right
[20:59] <lifeless> its optional
[20:59] <Peng> agruman: Yes, you can remove the working copy.
[20:59] <lifeless> on a server you want just repo
[20:59] <Peng> Or not create one in the first place.
[20:59] <lifeless> on a laptop you want repo + working copy so that you can work offline, edit files, do log etc
[20:59] <Peng> agruman: The size is "repo + checked out files". You were asking about the specifics of "repo". And "checked out files" can be zero.
[21:00] <agruman> thanks alot for the explanation :)
[21:01] <agruman> would it be possible to only have a working copy and not the repo on a laptop (for file that dont change ex binary)
[21:02] <spiv> It is, "bzr checkout --lightweight".  There's a pretty large performance hit if the repo for that is on a network.
[21:04] <agruman> spiv, ok, thanks alot for the info
[21:15] <poolie> maxb, still here?
[21:15] <poolie> i spoke to pitti about our SRUs and MRE
[21:15] <poolie> he said we should just upload for -proposed, or ask for sponsorship into that
[22:26] <jml> jelmer: <exarkun> spiv: Can we be sure that those rev props don't get onto trunk?
[22:40] <jelmer> jml: I think I miss context.
[22:41] <spiv> jelmer: short version: svn users are allergic to revprops
[22:42] <spiv> jelmer: because they fear breakage in commit hooks, commit mail scripts, trac, etc
[22:42] <jml> and I never use bzr-svn to do Twisted stuff
[22:42] <jml> because I'm afraid of exarkun getting angry at me
[22:42] <jelmer> are you sure you mean revprpos, not file properties?
[22:42] <spiv> Anything that looks weird and unusual, basically :/
[22:43] <spiv> In this case there's a degree of discomfort about having props of any flavour in a branch
[22:43] <jelmer> Can you give a bit more context in that case - be sure that those revprops don't get onto trunk when doing what?
[22:43] <spiv> And deep fear about having them reach official branches like trunk
[22:44] <spiv> In this case landing my bugfix branch on trunk
[22:45] <jelmer> mwhudson: ooh, shiny linaro hostmask!
[22:45] <jelmer> spiv: so, "svn merge" will ignore revision properties
[22:45] <jelmer> spiv: is that what you're asking?
[22:46] <spiv> jelmer: I'm not asking anything, really (although thanks for confirming that for me)
[22:47] <spiv> jelmer: I think jml was just sharing some pain
[22:47] <jelmer> ah
[22:47] <spiv> jelmer: "svn merge" was my plan for landing this change
[22:47] <spiv> jelmer: as soon as I figure out the right invocation, because it doesn't just DTRT :)
[22:47] <jelmer> so I can feel the pain when it comes to file properties (and will require user confirmation before bzr-svn sets them in newer versions)
[22:49] <jelmer> revision properties shouldn't break anything other than bzr-svn if they're incorrect,
[22:49] <jelmer> and are only visible in a limited number of situations
[22:57] <mgedmin> so, I look in my process list and I see that bzr-notify has 7 zombie children (all ssh processes)
[22:57] <mgedmin> any clues?
[22:59] <jam> vila!
[22:59] <jam> vila!
[23:00] <jelmer> mgedmin: wow, that's interesting. As far as I know bzr-notify should never do remote access..
[23:04]  * awilkins would just turn off or filter revprop reporting on Trac or whatever
[23:04] <awilkins> I agree that it looks a mess from the POV of a "pretty" changeset browser
[23:06] <spiv> jelmer: AIUI the issue isn't that they break SVN, but that random tools people build on their SVN repo are fragile
[23:06] <spiv> jelmer: because they have never been tested with rev props
[23:07] <spiv> jelmer: in other news
[23:07] <spiv> jelmer: "the right invocation" turned out to be "bzr merge URL" in my SVN checkout, because apparently I've forgotten too much svn to know how to make it be sensible
[23:08] <awilkins> I could never get SVN to be sensible about merges
[23:09] <awilkins> I had a crack recently because I had to give training on SVN to my peers and was able to break it's merging ability with the first test I did (although it is *slightly* less rubbish than I remember it)
[23:10] <awilkins> 'tis a shame that CollabNet are so stuck on SVN having sunk so much into it ; 'tis still the only VCS they offer on their hosting services AFAIK (and guess which hosting service we signed up for ....)
[23:11] <awilkins> Happily I have a shell account and root on some of the build machines so I used it to make a Bazaar mirror of the sources and I don't have to use SVN anymore except on special occasions. Hooray.


[00:28] <yetoo> I have 20.04 and I'm trying to change soruces to https. How come I get The repository 'https://la.mirrors.clouvider.net/ubuntu main Release' does not have a Release file. When https://la.mirrors.clouvider.net/ubuntu/dists/focal/ and updates variant does have a Release file
[01:40] <NickH> yetoo: what exactly is the line in the sources.list?
[01:41] <yetoo> I added (I think I'm not sure) deb https://lug.mines.edu/mirrors/ubuntu/ focal main to the end and this doesn't happen
[01:41] <yetoo> anymore
[01:43] <IceNine> Hey folks, what's the most accepted way for troubleshooting a (very rare) mce? It seems that all the info on the interwebs state you should use 'mcelog', but then no repos have it.... others say that this is now in the realm of 'rasdemon', but it doesn't seem to know the mce's even happened.... so what should people be using now to view mce's
[01:43] <IceNine> besides the sparse info located in the journal?
[02:33] <wontfix[m]> So uhhh, I could be totally wrong here. Probably am. /usr/share/locale/ files are generally stripped, correct? Translations are handled on their own.
[03:38] <ryan_> hi
[03:38] <samy1028> hello
[03:39] <samy1028> oh well, they left right as I said hello.
[03:39] <spaks> Hi chat people
[03:44] <samy1028> hello spaks
[03:46] <spaks> Yeah I'm new here... just figured out how to register here and I just downloaded Ubuntu so I'm on my journey
[03:48] <samy1028> welcome!
[03:48] <spaks> Much thanks 🙏
[03:54] <guiverc> samy1028, just FYI, this is a support room (ie. if you have problems you can seek help here) rather than a chat room (use #ubuntu-offtopic for chat)
[04:02] <leibniz> yooooo
[04:03] <leibniz> i turned logged off without turning off protonvpn again and now my internet doesn’t work again
[04:03] <leibniz> i’m using budgie
[04:04] <leibniz> i. was using protonvpn and my cursor disappeared so i logged off and logged back in and it came back but my internet won’t work anymore
[04:04] <wontfix[m]> Right so you need to turn off any kind of blocking or shield that company uses
[04:04] <leibniz> how exactly?
[04:04] <wontfix[m]> logout as if you're a new user if it is an app they have
[04:05] <leibniz> i closed the program
[04:05] <wontfix[m]> If it is an app, do they have a menu button?
[04:05] <wontfix[m]> Ok, restart the program
[04:05] <leibniz> i did that earlier and it said “error”
[04:05] <leibniz> man i messed it up
[04:05] <wontfix[m]> Great. If it errors, can you logout
[04:07] <leibniz> ok i’m turning it back on rn hold up
[04:08] <wontfix[m]> Why is Kinetic the only series that has no locale files included for gnome-bluetooth-3-common and gnome-bluetooth-common ?
[04:08] <wontfix[m]> Every other series has one or the other included.
[04:10] <leibniz> doesn’t work
[04:10] <wontfix[m]> Great. So are you logged out with the login screen there
[04:10] <leibniz> https://i.imgur.com/1H6KQ3w.jpg
[04:11] <leibniz> https://i.imgur.com/k5xMAfD.jpg
[04:12] <leibniz> i had protonvpn running and i logged off and logged back in and now my internet isn’t working
[04:12] <wontfix[m]> Ok so it isn't even allowing your wifi to connect properly
[04:13] <wontfix[m]> Right so they have some kind of network catching or blocking going on one moment
[04:13] <leibniz> yea
[04:14] <leibniz> i’ve tried researching this on stackexchange because it happened before but i just reinstalled budgie
[04:14] <wontfix[m]> Do you have the latest version?
[04:14] <leibniz> i just installed it
[04:14] <wontfix[m]> So according to google images there should be a little icon next to the logo on login
[04:14] <wontfix[m]> But i'm not sure if budgie is fully GTK compatible in that way
[04:15] <samy1028> I'm having issues with and Ubuntu 18.04 server on ESXi.  I used vCenter converter to clone it from ESXi 6.0 to our new ESXi 7.0 cluster.  Hardware on the new machine is identical (same physical CPU's, same NIC (e1000)).  On the new clone it is stuck during boot at "btrfs loaded crc32c=crc32c-intel"
[04:15] <samy1028> I've booted from a live ISO so I have access to the filesystem for now.  Any ideas on what to look for or how to get past this?
[04:15] <leibniz> no you seen the image there is not icon next to the login button
[04:15] <wontfix[m]> https://github.com/ProtonVPN/linux-app/issues/20#issuecomment-890363441
[04:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 20 in ProtonVPN/linux-app "Internet kill switch seems to be implicitly enabled [Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora]" [Closed]
[04:16] <wontfix[m]> Right i'm saying there should be according to these images.
[04:16] <wontfix[m]> Also https://askubuntu.com/questions/1319033/internet-stops-working-after-installing-protonvpn
[04:17] <wontfix[m]> Apparently you need to be more careful with the permanent "kill switch" feature
[04:19] <leibniz> ok hold up
[04:19] <leibniz> i think i may have fixed it
[04:19] <leibniz> protonvpn just sucks
[04:19] <leibniz> i’m restarting now
[04:19] <leibniz> can you recommend a better vpn?
[04:20] <wontfix[m]> Outside of the scope of the chat i'm afraid!
[04:20] <leibniz> hmm
[04:20] <wontfix[m]> But you should Mull it over
[04:20] <leibniz> i guess you wouldn’t be allowed to recommend any software
[04:21] <leibniz> ok that worked
[04:21] <leibniz> back on my pc
[04:22] <leibniz> thanks g
[04:22] <wontfix[m]> np
[04:22] <leibniz> i probably would have figured that out
[04:22] <leibniz> so what do you think happened?
[04:22] <leibniz> the software sucks ?
[04:23] <wontfix[m]> IDK I only use VPNs for work and they are point to point
[07:45] <jelly> hi, using Remmina snap on focal, how do I allow it to talk to ssh agent and also connect to existing ssh multiplex sessions via sockets in ~/.ssh/sockets/?
[08:44] <ravage> jelly: "snap connections remmina" then check the ones you may need. like "sudo snap connect remmina:ssh-keys" or "sudo snap connect remmina:password-manager-service"
[08:44] <ravage> the snap website should really mention that
[10:53] <Guest62> Hi guys, Im trying to set my power button to instantly shut off my Ubuntu 22.04 LTS OS
[10:53] <Guest62> Currently, when I press the power button, it brings up a secondary prompt asking me to confirm if I want to shut down
[10:53] <Guest62> I want it to instantly power off, force quit apps and shut down, when I press the power button
[10:53] <Guest62> Anybody have advice how to acheive this?
[10:53] <Guest62> ty
[10:54] <tarzeau> Guest62: use terminal and poweroff?
[10:54] <tarzeau> or pull the cable
[10:54] <Guest62> Yes but how do I link that behaivor to the power button
[10:55] <Guest62> I want to click power button > laptop shuts down (and force quits running apps)
[10:55] <tarzeau> make the power button run poweroff
[10:55] <Guest62> so it doesnt hang up, saying "are you sure you want to force-quit notepad"
[10:55] <Guest62> How?
[10:55] <Guest62> I've never done that before
[10:55] <EriC^^> Guest62: you could maybe set it up in the keyboard shortcuts
[10:56] <Guest62> Ok perfect =)
[10:56] <Guest62> WHat is the CLI command to shutdown
[10:57] <EriC^^> you'd have to use another combination though, seems power button doesnt pick up
[10:57] <Guest62> Forced shutdown, so it wont ask for confirmation if apps are running, but without corrupting anything
[10:57] <Guest62> I'm making a custom keyboard shortcut
[10:57] <EriC^^> ctrl+shift+p for instance
[10:57] <Guest62> I just need to know the CLI
[10:57] <Guest62> again, making sure it force-shuts down if apps are running
[10:58] <EriC^^> do you use sudo without a password by any chance?
[10:59] <Guest62> no
[10:59] <Guest62> I have a passphrase
[10:59] <Guest62> so would it just be "shutdown"
[11:00] <EriC^^> no
[11:00] <Guest62> or can shutdown only be ran as root etc? And does shutdown force quit apps or wait for programs to close?
[11:00] <Guest62> About the CLI command, what would it be?
[11:00] <Guest62> "shutdown" ? or :P
[11:00] <EriC^^> it would be "sudo poweroff"
[11:01] <Guest62> will that then ask for my password though?
[11:01] <EriC^^> but that would require a password, so i'm not sure but "systemctl poweroff" might work without a password, give that a shot
[11:01] <Guest62> ok ty
[11:01] <EriC^^> if not, you could add to sudoers your user to use /sbin/poweroff without asking for a password
[11:01] <Guest62> hmmm would that compromise privacy
[11:01] <Guest62> or security
[11:02] <Guest62> to have a sudoer be a user account
[11:02] <EriC^^> your user is already a sudoer by default
[11:02] <Guest62> ok dang
[11:02] <Guest62> pressing power button did nothing
[11:02] <EriC^^> try in a terminal "systemctl poweroff" to see if it works without sudo, but know it might poweroff obviously
[11:03] <Guest62> hmmmm
[11:04] <CheesePotatos1> Alright, the systemctl shutdown/poweroff worked
[11:04] <CheesePotatos1> in terminal
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> but not as a custom keyboard shortcut
[11:05] <EriC^^> ok
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> and that was a non-sudo terminal
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> just opened terminal, command, powered off
[11:05] <EriC^^> try adding some shortcut other than the poweroff button
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> I didnt sudo su before testing it
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> I really want it to be the poweroff button tho
[11:05] <CheesePotatos1> I can easily find that one quickly
[11:07] <EriC^^> 1sec
[11:07] <CheesePotatos1> shutdown -h now
[11:07] <CheesePotatos1>  in the keyboard shortcuts menu also didnt work
[11:07] <weedmic> CheesePotatos1: are you also Guest62?
[11:08] <CheesePotatos1> poweroff -f also did nothing
[11:08] <CheesePotatos1> man this should be working
[11:09] <weedmic> Anyway, one can put awidget on the task bar and configure it to be only shutdown.  I have the same widget twice on every computer.  poweroff on one and lock on the other.  if I need to do something else, I use the application launcher
[11:09] <CheesePotatos1> I want to poweroff using a 1 button press, the power button
[11:09] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: try "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power power-button-action nothing"
[11:10] <CheesePotatos1> ooooooyie vey
[11:10] <CheesePotatos1> Where in terminal or in the shortcut
[11:10] <EriC^^> it's set as 'interactive' by default, maybe nothing will do it
[11:10] <EriC^^> terminal
[11:10] <CheesePotatos1> it already does nothing
[11:10] <CheesePotatos1> anyway, pasted the command, no errors
[11:11] <CheesePotatos1> Alright, setting a different key other than power button, also didnt work
[11:11] <CheesePotatos1> thats really weird
[11:11] <CheesePotatos1> it should be running the command when the button is pushed
[11:13] <weedmic> system settings>energy savings>pick appropirate tab like AC>check button events handling - set when power button pressed "shut down"
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> I tried that first
[11:13] <weedmic> you can also select prompt or not
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> It brings up a promp
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> no option for prompt
[11:13] <weedmic> uncheck the prompt dialog
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> There isnt one
[11:13] <weedmic> oic, mine has
[11:13] <CheesePotatos1> yeah im using a different WM
[11:14] <weedmic> what version is your DE?
[11:14] <CheesePotatos1> Im on PopOS, runs Ubuntu 22.04 with a different DE/WM
[11:14] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: would suspend or hibernate work or you need shutdown?
[11:14] <CheesePotatos1> only shutdown
[11:14] <weedmic> u can upgrade to kde ;) - or find where that part of the script is and change it, but that is beyond me.
[11:14] <CheesePotatos1> with 1 button
[11:15] <CheesePotatos1> Yeah Im using PopOS because it comes with nvidia gpu driver
[11:15] <CheesePotatos1> and i borked my other OSs trying to install the nvidia driver
[11:15] <CheesePotatos1> so Im using Pop because it works out of the box
[11:15] <EriC^^> the gsettings one has 'suspend' and 'hibernate' as options fwiw
[11:16] <CheesePotatos1> yeah
[11:16] <CheesePotatos1> I just want a poweroff -f basically
[11:17] <EriC^^> this seems like it should work, you basically need to capture the poweroff button being pressed and disable what it does with the 'nothing' option, https://askubuntu.com/questions/580902/how-to-change-mapping-for-the-poweroff-key-on-keyboard
[11:18] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: if you type 'xev' in a terminal and press the button does it mention any keycode?
[11:18] <CheesePotatos1> Really old though
[11:18] <CheesePotatos1> commands may be different now
[11:19] <CheesePotatos1> it changes everytime
[11:19] <CheesePotatos1> theres no consistant keybode
[11:19] <CheesePotatos1> that I can see
[11:22] <CheesePotatos1> shutdown -P now , why doesnt this work?
[11:22] <CheesePotatos1> its a valid command
[11:22] <CheesePotatos1> everything looks correct, it should work
[11:25] <weedmic> for about a year, nvidia has been offering "Open-Source GPU Kernel Modules" - perhaps things have changed.  I know the last 2 versions of opensuse went without a hitch.  although the last few years ubuntu has been without a hitch too, but i had to change some things for nvidia.
[11:26] <tarzeau> weedmic: yeah now the firmware module is not open source, but a 50 mb blob
[11:27] <weedmic> sounds believable
[11:27] <CheesePotatos1> wow it was open source?
[11:27] <CheesePotatos1> The nvidia driver?
[11:27] <CheesePotatos1> WoW
[11:28] <EriC^^> i got it to work CheesePotatos1
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> Anyone have any ideas?
[11:28] <tarzeau> https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> :D :)
[11:28] <weedmic> share the technique pls CheesePotatos1
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> ???
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> What technique
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> for what
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> EriC, you got what to work?
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> The power button or the gpu driver
[11:28] <weedmic> on how you got the button to work
[11:28] <EriC^^> the power button thing
[11:28] <CheesePotatos1> Oh I havent yet
[11:29] <weedmic> :D
[11:29] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: first type "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power power-button-action nothing"
[11:29] <CheesePotatos1> EriC seems to have the tome of wisdome to enlighten us
[11:29] <CheesePotatos1> We praise the holy Unix
[11:29] <CheesePotatos1> Imagine making Linux fetishish a religion
[11:29] <CheesePotatos1> Ok done
[11:30] <EriC^^> CheesePotatos1: ok type "sudo nano /etc/acpi/poweroff.sh"
[11:31] <CheesePotatos1> ok
[11:31] <EriC^^> add the following lines
[11:31] <EriC^^> event=button/power
[11:31] <EriC^^> action=/etc/acpi/poweroff.sh
[11:31] <EriC^^> it's literally from that page i posted earlier btw
[11:32] <EriC^^> actually 1 sec, my bad
[11:32] <CheesePotatos1> yes, well Im glad it works, I was just worried the old post would be outdated commands
[11:32] <EriC^^> nevermind the event=... stuff, put "/usr/bin/systemctl poweroff"
[11:32] <CheesePotatos1> wait so
[11:33] <CheesePotatos1> delete all of that
[11:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:33] <CheesePotatos1> Do I paste '/usr/bin/systemctl poweroff' into the poweroff.sh text editor area
[11:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:33] <CheesePotatos1> should I add the flag -f to force shutdown
[11:34] <CheesePotatos1> -f may be for 'shutdown'
[11:34] <EriC^^> not sure it takes -f, so no
[11:34] <CheesePotatos1> ok
[11:34] <CheesePotatos1> ok now how do we link this to the power button
[11:34] <EriC^^> this isnt the poweroff command, some systemd thing so you dont need to use sudo
[11:34] <EriC^^> ok, type 'sudo chmod +x /etc/acpi/poweroff.sh"
[11:35] <EriC^^> then type "sudo nano /etc/acpi/events/power"
[11:35] <EriC^^> there paste the event=.. action=...poweroff.sh so you link the power button to the script
[11:36] <CheesePotatos1> wait wut
[11:36] <CheesePotatos1> these action=/etc/acpi/poweroff.sh
[11:37] <CheesePotatos1> ?
[11:37] <CheesePotatos1> two lines rite
[11:37] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:37] <CheesePotatos1> ok done
[11:37] <EriC^^> ok give it a shot
[11:38] <CheesePotatos1> pressed power button, nothing
[11:38] <CheesePotatos1> do i need to restart for those commands to take effect
[11:38] <EriC^^> ah right
[11:38] <CheesePotatos1> ?
[11:38] <EriC^^> type sudo acpid restart
[11:39] <CheesePotatos1> ty
[11:42] <CheeseFries2> it works great, two questions, how "safe" is this shutdown option, will it potentially corrupt files/OS? and can this shutdown be cancled mid-way, such as if somebody hits Esc ors imilar
[11:42] <CheeseFries2> or similar
[11:43] <EriC^^> should be safe, it's a typical poweroff command for systemd, i dont think it could be canceled midway
[11:43] <CheeseFries2> perfection
[11:43] <CheeseFries2> thank you very much EriC
[11:43] <CheeseFries2> ^_^
[11:43] <EriC^^> no problem CheeseFries2
[12:48] <kemik> how can i install 32 bit apps to my 64bit ubuntu machine ? does it possible ?
[12:48] <kemik> i got so manny errors abt it while "make" command
[12:48] <kemik> thx for yr kindly helps
[12:48] <tarzeau> kemik: which apps exactly?
[12:49] <kemik> ircservices-5.0.64
[12:50] <kemik> or another ircservices version is ok for me 5.1.24 but i got the errors
[12:50] <tarzeau> kemik: does it have a homepage with sources?
[12:50] <kemik> yes 1 sec
[12:50] <kemik> http://achurch.org/services/
[12:51] <willcl-ark> anyone know how to install libglib2.0-dev on 22.10? It says the package has been moved out of incoming, but not sure how to continue past that?
[12:51] <tarzeau> then just build it on amd64 for amd64?
[12:51] <kemik> configure no problem but making "make" commands
[12:51] <kemik> i got errors
[12:51] <tarzeau> kemik: which problem? which errors?
[12:52] <kemik> i will pastebin for you
[12:52] <tarzeau> willcl-ark: but it's there? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0
[12:52] <kemik> https://pastebin.pl/view/b38a85f7
[12:53] <kemik> before 32 bit machine there were no errors as far as i know abt it
[12:56] <tarzeau> kemik: well yes you'll have to fix that :)
[12:58] <willcl-ark> tarzeau: thanks. That prompted me to realise I somehow didn't have updates as a source
[12:59] <leftyfb> willcl-ark: 22.04 is EOL
[13:00] <leftyfb> oh sorry, next month
[13:01] <ogra> leftyfb, 22.04 ?!?!
[13:01] <willcl-ark> I have a while on 22.10 I hope
[13:01] <leftyfb> bah, 22.10
[13:01] <ogra> you mean .10 😉
[13:01] <leftyfb> not a morning person :)
[13:01] <leftyfb> also, I type 22.04 a LOT
[13:02] <ogra> willcl-ark, nope, lefty is correct ... 22.10 goes EOL soon ...
[13:02] <willcl-ark> oh crap, July
[13:02] <ogra> 9 months after release for non-LTS ...
 kemik: well yes you'll have to fix that :)
[13:03] <kemik> can i start any 32 bit app at 64 bit machine ?
[13:03] <ogra> sure ...
[13:03] <kemik> or do i need to download some libs first ?
[13:03] <ogra> the kernels supports 32bit by default and IIRC we also ship the 32bit libc by default ...
[13:03] <ogra> for all dependencies you have to care yourself though ....
[13:04] <kemik> but before it was working at 32 bit machine
[13:04] <ogra> (only a very small set of libs is still in he archive (i.e. everything to run wine ... and some for some old printer drivers)
[13:04] <ogra> )
[13:04] <kemik> damn i feel bad really.
[13:05] <ogra> you could just fix the compile errors ...
[13:05] <ogra> or ask upstream to do it
[13:05] <kemik> yeah ok thx for yr kindly helps
[13:05] <ogra> it isnt like there are still many 32bit based distos left
[13:05] <ogra> most bigger ones have dropped it
[13:07] <kemik> true.
[13:07] <kemik> i had edited this services to use for myself 8 yrs ago
[13:07] <kemik> so i wanted to use that one again
[13:07]  * alkisg1 just tested debian bookworm / kde, it ran fine on 32bit
[13:08] <kemik> also non-edited versions has got some errors
[13:08] <kemik> so i thought that it is abt 64 bit
[13:44] <isene> Here's a tricky one is you're up for a challenge. rsh (https://github.com/isene/rsh) is almost ready for being a valid login shell. It will do most of what I want - and it does handle my full LS_COLOR setup (https://github.com/isene/LS_COLORS) and works nicely with rtfm (https://github.com/isene/RTFM) when run from a terminal - but NOT as a login shell. As a login shell it does show colors
[13:44] <isene> correctly with ls, but not when I launch rtfm. There must be some environment variable that is not set or some such. Any pointers?
[13:44] <isene> It gets weirder; I use rsh as a login shell and launch rtfm - colors are gone. I quit rtfm, launch zsh and then rtfm - colors are perfect. I quit rtfm and zsh and I'm back in rsh. Then I launch bash and then rtfm - colors are half-gone. Both zsh and bash have $TERM = "rxvt-unicode-256color", so that's not the issue. What is?
[14:12] <mort> what do I do about the fact that Ubuntu's clang++ package provides a clang++ which is apparently not configured to look for headers in the location Ubuntu's libstdc++ package puts the libstdc++ headers
[14:32] <irwiss> on kubuntu 2304 sometimes (looks to be after sleep) kde system settings app stops opening, with the only indicator i found is "qt.qpa.xcb: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow)" in journal, other apps seem to work fine, can i somehow reset the badwindow without restarting the session?
[14:40] <al1r4d> ogra: there are still available, like debian, void, and the others
[14:40] <ogra> sure ... there are still a few
[14:41] <ogra> i only said "most bigger ones" ... meaning fedora, ubuntu, SuSE etc (not sure about arch and its derivatives, but i tink they dropped it too)
[14:43] <ogra> thoug the build issues are not related to 32/64bit at all ... just t the fact that the code is dead and unmaintained since 2009 and simply does not meet current C standards ... i did a little play-around during lunch break out of interest and quickly made a snap package out of the dead code: https://github.com/ogra1/ircservices-snap
[14:43] <ogra> 😉
[14:43] <ogra> (see the patch.txt file for needed fixes)
[17:03] <vershan> Hi, running ubuntu 22.04. bluetooth auto enables and starts on which I dont want /etc/bluetooth/main.conf is 'autoenable set to false'. what options are there
[17:04] <leftyfb> vershan: sudo systemctl disable bluetooth
[17:04] <vershan> @leftyfb, is this done on the fly, and must i revert the changes that I made to main.conf?
[17:05] <leftyfb> I'm not sure what you mean by "is this done on the fly" but regarding your changes, they won't affect this
[17:06] <vershan> @leftyfb, thank you, ill do this and restart to see what happens. will feedback in a jippy
[17:12] <vershan> @leftyfb, seems to have done the trick thanks, Ubuntu forums suggest that I edit /etc/buetooth/main.conf and change 'autoenable' to false. But that failed to have worked. The command you provided seemed to have done the trick. Many thanks for your assistance
[18:34] <Vercas1> How can I make initramfs-tools put a custom firmware file in the initramfs?
[18:37] <leftyfb> Vercas: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/*
[18:38] <leftyfb> you might want to use "copy_exec" in one of those files or one of your own
[18:38] <Vercas> Hmmm doesn't copy_exec mean copy and make executable? 🤔
[18:39] <sarnold> Vercas: check the initramfs-tools(7) manpage, there's a bit in there on firmware that might be useful
[18:39] <Vercas> sarnold, the only bit about firmware is "Including a system firmware preimage"
[18:40] <Vercas> So it just prepends another initramfs to the one it generates?
[18:40] <Vercas> If I am understanding this correctly, it's not what I am looking for.
[18:40] <leftyfb> Vercas: why does it matter if it's executable? It's for your ephemeral initrd
[18:40] <Vercas> When I said custom firmware file, I mean from /lib/firmware, to be used by a driver.
[18:40] <Vercas> leftyfb, a'ight, just asking. :(
[18:42] <Vercas> Ah, there's an `add_firmware` helped function as well.
[18:46] <Guest66> I am somewhat confused about apparmor and ufw? Are they interfaces for the same thing? Do I use one of them or both? Both services seems to be installed and running.
[18:47] <Guest66> I am running on ubuntu server 22.04 without a GUI
[18:49] <Guest66> from what i can gather ufw is an interface to iptables which is supposed to be deprecated, but apparmor is an "application firewall".
[18:49] <leftyfb> Guest66: ufw is to manage netwok firewall rules (iptables). apparmor is a security tool to manage file and process permissions. The latter you generally do not need to mess with unless you know you do.
[18:52] <Guest66> leftyfb that seems to be what I understood, just wasn't sure I got it right. So since ubuntu is still bundling ufw, I guess I was mis-informed that iptables is deprecated? I know tcpwrapper is, but that's another thing altogether.
[18:52] <leftyfb> Guest66: I think ufw manages nftables now. Not sure, haven't really messed with it yet
[18:54] <Guest66> from what I read, apparmor filters network ports as well as limits applications to directories. It also sandboxes applications although I am not sure how yet. However, igf I understood you, UFW does the network ports and services bit?
[18:54] <leftyfb> UFW manages network firewall rules
[18:55] <leftyfb> apparmor manages file and service permissions. This includes access to network ports and such since in linux, everything is a file
[18:55] <leftyfb> kinda oversimplifying it here though
[18:57] <sarnold> Guest66: ufw is a front end to iptables (old ubuntu) or nftables (new ubuntu)
[18:58] <sarnold> Guest66: apparmor is a mandatory access control that confines processes and limits what confined processes can do; some day it will grow to fine-grained network access controls but for now it's just allowing/denying tcp vs udp vs sctp vs raw etc
[18:58] <Guest66> That is helpful. If network firewall rules are something like 'allow <IP_ADDRESS> tcp/25', then is apparmor's rule more like  'allow application x access to port tcp/80', allow application x access to /tmp etc?
[18:59] <sarnold> the ipc controls and file controls and capabilities controls in apparmor are all significantly better developed
[18:59] <sarnold> apparmor is more like "network tcp,"
[19:02] <Guest66> sarnoid that partly the source of my confusion. Does apparmor replace ufw or is ufw a dependency of apparmor?. Do I still need both? Or can I removwed ufw and just use apparmor?
[19:06] <Guest66> i.e. if apparmor is a "better" more advanced ufw, do I still need ufw?
[19:07] <leftyfb> apparmor is not the proper tool to manage firewall rules
[19:10] <Guest66> leftyfb ok, so that is where ufw comes in?
[19:10] <leftyfb> yes
[19:10] <Guest66> thanks. I can deal with firewall rules.
[19:12] <Guest66> I gather applications managed by aparmor require profiles and there an standard ones that can be downloaded as a package. Presumbly if you are running an application that there is no profile for, then you have to create you own?
[19:14] <leftyfb> Guest66: I've been running Ubuntu on thousands of servers and hundreds of workstations since about 2007. I've never once even had to look into how to manage profiles, let alone an application that required it.
[19:19] <Guest66> leftyfb that is very interesting indeed to note.
[19:24] <Guest66> thnx btw.
[19:48] <tobe> o
[19:48] <tobe> hello
[19:48] <tobe> new to this but im looking for some support
[19:48] <tobe> on linux rdp system (guacamole)
[21:05] <SuperLag> Is there a particular *benefit* to installing via snap vs apt?
[21:06] <tarzeau> SuperLag: i'm not aware of any. maybe a software that is only available as snap, but i wouldn't call that benefit of snap
[21:08] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Snaps usually include all of the dependencies, so the versions (usually) all match the requirements, rather than depending on system libraries, which can get out-of-sync with some apps.
[21:08] <tarzeau> could be useful for software developers in distributing their software
[21:09] <jhutchins> SuperLag: I think one of the benefits is supposed to be that it's easier to create a single package that works with multiple distros.
[21:09] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Snaps can also include versions of dependencies that would break things on the target system.
[21:09] <tarzeau> is gradle in its latest upstream version available as snap?
[21:11] <jhutchins> ,v gradle
[21:11] <jhutchins> Bah.
[21:11] <jhutchins> !info gradle
[21:12] <tarzeau> it's like make, but for java
[21:12] <tarzeau> maybe as gradlew ?
[21:13] <tarzeau> jhutchins: would need to be 6.x to be useful
[22:04] <bray90820> Is there a ppa to ether upgrade or downgrade nautilus to a version other than ubutu provides because I am experencing a few issues right now
[22:18] <Bashing-om> bray90820: focal repo has 3 versions of naitilus.
[22:18] <bray90820> I forget what version number is Focal
[22:20] <Bashing-om> bray90820: Sorry - I am currently booting jammy 22.04 // it is jammy that I am looking at that has the 3 versions available.
[22:20] <bray90820> Alright
[22:20] <bray90820> Thanks
[23:32] <spaks> Hi
[23:38] <sarnold> hi spaks
[23:57] <Macwinner> if you update the /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml file, and then reboot the server (without running netplan apply), would you expect the network configuration to be updated on reboot?  or does "netplan apply" do something under the hood to update other configuration files?
[23:58] <sarnold> iirc netplan apply runs netplan generate before restarting systemd-network or networkmanager


[05:44] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:56] <scotty^> Hello everyone.  Is there any chance of getting cryptsetup 1.6.4 into Utopic, so as to fix bug 1292940
[09:01] <lordievader> scotty^: File a wishlist bug referencing that bug.
[09:12] <scotty^> lordievader - Thanks.  I've filed bug 1354346 - can you set it to Wishlist for me?
[09:16] <scotty^> Or anybody else?
[09:18] <lordievader> Not sure if I'm able to, but let me take a look.
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:40] <meecoder> hi there
[10:42] <BluesKaj> hi
[15:11] <scotty^> Does anyone have access to set bug 1354346 to Wishlist for me?
[15:46] <paulo_gomes> hi all, cant connect with google with empathy. any tips?
[15:46] <paulo_gomes> facebook and irc works fine


[00:34] <ryan22> hey
[00:34] <ryan22> i was just wondering how many developers ubuntu has who specialize in accessibility
[06:58] <neil_d> hi, I am installing ltsp on ubuntu 10.4 but the dnsmasq isn't running (according to netstat) :(  how do I get it to start?
[07:13] <alkisg> neil_d: sudo invoke-rc.d dnsmasq start
[07:14] <alkisg> Do you also have dhcp3-server installed?
[07:16] <neil_d> alkisg: dhcp3-server is installed.
[07:17] <alkisg> neil_d: you can't have 2 dhcp servers on the same machine. Which one do you want to use?
[07:18] <alkisg> Are you following some guide? Why do you want dnsmasq?
[07:18] <neil_d> alkisg: 'invoke-rc.d dnsmasq start' = '... /etc/init.d/dnsmasq not found'
[07:19] <alkisg> Then you don't have dnsmasq installed
[07:19] <alkisg> The default installation doesn't use dnsmasq. Are you sure you need to use it?
[07:19] <neil_d> alkisg: I installed 'ltsp-server-standalone' I didn't manually install ether dnsmasq or dhcp3
[07:20] <alkisg> OK, so, should we forget about dnsmasq and focus on dhcp3-server, which is the default dhcp server?
[07:20] <neil_d> alkisg: ok...
[07:20] <alkisg> OK let's start over. Is dhcp3-server running?
[07:21] <alkisg> sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
[07:22] <neil_d> I got "Status of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is not running"  and "invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "status" failed"
[07:22] <alkisg> OK, try to start it: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server start
[07:22] <alkisg> and see the logs for any error messages
[07:22] <alkisg> (system > settings > logs)
[07:23] <alkisg> E.g. dhcp3-server assumes that the server ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:23] <alkisg> If you changed the ip, you need to modify /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf...
[07:23] <neil_d> I get "Not configured to listen on any interfaces!"
[07:24] <alkisg> How many nics do you have?
[07:24] <alkisg> 1 or 2?
[07:24] <neil_d> see dhcpd.conf at http://paste.ubuntu.com/432068/
[07:25] <neil_d> alkisg: I have two.
[07:25] <alkisg> Is the one facing the internet, and the other one facing a private network with the ltsp clients?
[07:26] <neil_d> eth1 is for the ltsp clients and static configured at <IP_ADDRESS>... I think I need to re-edit the .conf file.
[07:26] <alkisg> Yes, 192.168.5 vs 192.168.3...
[07:34] <neil_d> ok that problem is solved.. thanks... but now when the client starts up and asks for a name and password.. it says 'verify password' waits for about 10 seconds the says 'No response from server, Restarting'
[07:40] <neil_d> an 'ltsp-update-image' didn't resolve anything.
[07:42] <alkisg> neil_d: also do an ltsp-update-sshkeys before running ltsp-update-image
[07:42] <neil_d> alkisg: I did.
[07:42] <alkisg> neil_d: hmmm weird then. Is that a valid user on the server?
[07:43] <neil_d> yep
[07:43] <alkisg> Try this: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[07:43] <alkisg> and put the following contents:
[07:43] <alkisg> [Default]
[07:43] <alkisg> SCREEN_02=shell
[07:43] <alkisg> SCREEN_07=ldm
[07:43] <alkisg> Then, reboot your client and switch to vt2 by pressing alt+ctrl+f2
[07:44] <alkisg> At that console, try: ssh <user>@server
[07:44] <alkisg> change <user> with an existing user, but leave "server" unchanged
[07:44] <alkisg> Notice any warnings or error messages, and see if you're able to login from there.
[07:45] <neil_d> I don't have a lts.conf there.. should I create one?
[07:45] <alkisg> Yes
[07:45] <alkisg> (it's i386, right? not amd64...)
[07:48] <bencrisford> highvoltage: its the edubuntu community session today right?  if you talk discuss the teams blueprint at all, there is a wiki page that might be useful :) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/Launchpad/Groups/Consolidate
[07:52] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I won't be around for that session :(, but i'll be around tonight
[07:52] <bencrisford> later ;)
[07:52] <neil_d> it said 'permission denied (publickey)'  the reason is that I when installed I want to be able to login remotely (to the server), and I configured ssh to only accept preshared keys.
[07:53] <alkisg> Change you sshd_config so that it accepts keys remotely, but passwords for the local net?
[07:54] <alkisg> You can't use preshared keys on ltsp clients (without scripting it yourself)
[07:54] <neil_d> alkisg: ok... I think I know how to do that
[07:54] <alkisg> (group them with the Host directive...)
[08:00] <neil_d> alkisg: how do I use the 'Host' directive.. got a link?
[08:00] <alkisg> Nah, I use `man sshd_config` for that
[08:01] <alkisg> Out of my head, I think it goes like this:
[08:01] <alkisg> Host 192.168.5.*
[08:01] <alkisg>   directive XXX
[08:01] <alkisg> Host *
[08:01] <alkisg>   rest directives...
[08:01] <neil_d> alkisg: ok
[08:07] <neil_d> alkisg: found it.. its the 'Match' directive in the sshd_config file.
[08:18] <neil_d> alkisg:  I put "Match Address=<IP_ADDRESS>/24" and "PasswordAuthentication yes" at the end of the sshd_config file....   The client is now working find... :)  thanks for the help.
[08:19] <alkisg> You're welcome
[14:45] <jbicha> mhall119: are you here?
[14:48] <mhall119> I am now
[15:22] <highvoltage> mhall119: hey
[15:22] <mhall119> hi
[15:23] <mhall119> sorry I missed the last sesssion, I just got into work
[15:23] <highvoltage> mhall119: no problem
[15:23] <highvoltage> mhall119: the notes on the white board pretty much sums it up
[15:23] <mhall119> cool, I'll check it out later, in the Fridge session atm
[15:24] <highvoltage> mhall119: I noted that you're doing a Qimo gnome session for 10.10 so I just wanted to confirm with you whether you're still up for it :)
[15:24] <mhall119> yes, I'd still like to do that
[15:24] <highvoltage> great
[15:24] <mhall119> I'll probably do an LXDE one too, there's been some requests for that
[15:25] <highvoltage> mhall119: I was wondering what you thought about Unity
[15:25] <highvoltage> I'd push to make it default in Edubuntu if it wasn't so relient on 3d graphics
[15:25] <mhall119> highvoltage: I didn't see the whole presentation, only the screenshots
[15:25] <mhall119> Unity isn't using Enlightenment?
[15:25] <highvoltage> nope
[15:25] <mhall119> I thought that was where they were going with UNE
[15:26] <highvoltage> oh there's a whole other Enlightenment based distribution called Unity, but that's unrelated
[15:26] <mhall119> yeah, reliance on 3d is not good
[15:26] <mhall119> ok
[15:27] <highvoltage> I think as old non-accellerated cards die off, unity would be able to replace things like lxde and xfce
[15:27] <jbicha> I heard Unity didn't work too well for people but i haven't tried the ppa for myself yet
[15:27] <highvoltage> jbicha: ah! there you are
[15:27] <highvoltage> jbicha: about bahrain... maybe I'll go again next year for F1 :)
[15:27] <jbicha> I'm leaving Bahrain for good in 1 month but the rest of the lug would like to see you
[15:28] <highvoltage> cool, if I do go I'll certainly make contact
[15:28] <jbicha> you're legendary as we've never had a Ubuntu member visit the group
[15:28] <jbicha> it's pretty funny actually
[15:28] <highvoltage> heh, nothing special about me
[15:28] <highvoltage> but I did almost attend a meeting last time I was there!
[15:28] <jbicha> yeah but you have a fan club
[15:29] <highvoltage> they should get some people active there and get them to apply for membership!
[15:29] <highvoltage> our community session is next...
[15:30] <highvoltage> I was thinking that we should discuss the advocacy group, since we have quite a bit oppertunity with some school districts wanting to get involved
[15:30] <highvoltage> what else should we cover in a community session?
[15:30] <highvoltage> I'm a bit dry on ideas on things that we can do community-wise during this release cycle
[15:58] <AndyGraybeal_> what do people think about netbooks vs actual thinclients?
[16:03] <highvoltage> netbooks are cool
[16:03] <mhall119> they serve different purposes, IMO
[16:03] <AndyGraybeal_> what makes it any different from a thinclient?
[16:03] <highvoltage> they don't work in some places where they may be stolen or vandalised
[16:04] <mhall119> AndyGraybeal_: netbooks are mobile devices that do their own processing
[16:04] <AndyGraybeal_> highvoltage: baring that, i wonder what makes them different.
[16:04] <highvoltage> thin clients are better imho where the machines are static and always at the same place
[16:04] <highvoltage> netbooks are nice if every one can have their own computer
[16:04] <AndyGraybeal_> what thinclients do you folks recommend purchasing.
[16:05] <highvoltage> you get different clients depending where you are... personally I like atom based thin clients and I try hard to avoid anything with a via display card (such as the Wyse thin clients in particular)
[16:06] <highvoltage> stgraber has used many different thin clients, if you hang around he'd be able to give you some great pointers on what to avoid
[16:07] <AndyGraybeal_> i've purchased the thinclient that usurper sells.  i can't help but wonder about that compared to a netbook.
[16:07] <AndyGraybeal_> my users are asking for more workstation, and some are asking for mobile machines.. i don't feel comfortable recommending netbooks, but if they can kill 2 birds with one stone...
[16:10] <alkisg> What about screen size? Is 10" acceptable as a thin client?
[16:11] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: well i would be hooking it up to an external monitor for the 'thin client' and then they can unhook it and go 'mobile'
[16:11] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: but good question because i haven't thoguht out all the details eyt.
[16:11] <AndyGraybeal_> yet
[16:12] <AndyGraybeal_> i keep wanting to steer them towards thinclients and not mobile ;(  maybe i'm a bad person
[16:12] <stgraber> #uds-jatoba for these following uds remotely
[16:12] <alkisg> For trusted environments, I'd go with netbooks too ;)
[16:13] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: we are all co-owners of the business.
[16:13] <AndyGraybeal_> so i trust everyone
[16:13] <alkisg> You can even work them as fat clients if needed
[16:13] <AndyGraybeal_> yea, i like the idea of both being able to NX and pxe boot
[16:14] <AndyGraybeal_> i have one asus eee pc with eeebuntu loaded
[16:14] <AndyGraybeal_> my user nx's with it fine.
[16:16] <alkisg> In greece 12 y.o. kids were given netbooks.  Fat clients is all local, nothing runs on the server, just authentication + home is on the server
[16:17] <alkisg> No no those kids see fine in 10" :D
[16:17] <AndyGraybeal_> ah interesting.  I guess I don't totally understand everything yet.
[16:18] <alkisg> It's us grownups that have the problems...
[16:18] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg:  :)  ah okay, tiny fingers too.
[16:18] <AndyGraybeal_> i can't stand typing on eee pc.
[16:18] <alkisg> Yeah me too.. fat fingers :(
[16:18] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg:  thank you for your thoughts.  so many things to consider.
[16:19] <alkisg> When I was playing guitar I had to buy a 12 string and convert it to 6 string to fit my fingers on it :D
[16:19] <AndyGraybeal_> i'm still steering towards thinclients from disklessworkstations.com
[16:19] <alkisg> Np
[16:19] <AndyGraybeal_> omg buy a 12 string.. expensive!
[16:19] <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: the girls must love you ;)
[16:19] <alkisg> Nah that was 15-20 years ago :D
[16:20] <AndyGraybeal_> :)
[16:20] <alkisg> ok, back to work...
[16:20] <AndyGraybeal_> thanks again
[18:04] <bencrisford> Are we having a meeting tonight?
[18:04] <bencrisford> or is it cancelled this week because of UDS
[18:05] <alkisg> bencrisford: cancelled - see your mails
[18:18] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yep, we missed you at the session this afternoon!
[18:18] <dbclinton> I've been having loads of fun with this 10.04 install and I'm afraid I still need help. The first two clean installs left my server randomly crashing three or four times a day. This time I used a different HD and so far (twelve hours in) it hasn't gone down.
[18:18] <dbclinton> All three times, however, the thin client environment hasn't installed (there's nothing there below /opt). I assume it's because the install couldn't authenticate through my proxy server. Why doesn't the install module allow authentication information? The time I installed via the live disk session, I made sure to update authentication in "System/Preferences/Network Proxy" but it didn't seem to pass that information along.
[18:18] <dbclinton> Either way, I manually installed via ltsp-build-client, but there were errors like the following:
[18:18] <dbclinton> Setting up sshfs (2.2-1build1) ...
[18:18] <highvoltage> (yep, as in, cancelled)
[18:18] <dbclinton> Setting up rdesktop (1.6.0-2ubuntu3) ...
[18:18] <dbclinton> Setting up update-inetd (4.35) ...
[18:18] <dbclinton> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Passthrough
[18:18] <dbclinton> debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 24) line 3)
[18:18] <dbclinton> debconf: falling back to frontend: Noninteractive
[18:18] <dbclinton> pretty much the same thing happened for:
[18:18] <dbclinton> sane-utils (1.0.20-13ubuntu2)
[18:18] <dbclinton> cups-bsd (1.4.3-1)
[18:18] <dbclinton> and
[18:18] <dbclinton> ltsp-client-core (5.2.1-0ubuntu9) - except this last one was followed by:
[18:18] <dbclinton> update-rc.d: warning: ltsp-client-core start runlevel arguments (2) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5)
[18:18] <dbclinton> Any ideas?
[18:19] <highvoltage> dbclinton: thosepass-through messages are ok
[18:19] <dbclinton> highvoltage: I guess that's a relief.
[18:19] <highvoltage> dbclinton: not sure about those runlevel warnings though
[18:20] <highvoltage> dbclinton: also the live session installer should use the proxy settings that you set in the gui, so it's very weird that that didn't work
[18:20] <bencrisford> highvoltage: Normally id be home by that time on a wednesday, but not this week im afraid.  Reading the "Notes Dump" now :).
[18:20] <highvoltage> bencrisford: ok
[18:21] <dbclinton> highvoltage:Any idea how I can get my clients booting (I had to manually setup up /etc/network/interfaces)
[18:22] <dbclinton> highvoltage: there is absolutely no sign of the clients in syslog etc. - no dhcp offers of any sort
[18:30] <highvoltage> dbclinton: is the dhcp3 server installed and running?
[18:31] <dbclinton> highvoltage: Not sure. How should I test it?
[18:32] <highvoltage> dbclinton: try runnint: ps aux
[18:32] <highvoltage> oops, pressed enter too fast
[18:32] <highvoltage> dbclinton: try running: ps aux | grep dhcp
[18:34] <dbclinton> highvoltage: I got this: root     25925  0.0  0.0   2228   844 ?        S    01:21   0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient-20094a31-d470-403a-b84b-53bd82cf4da2-eth0.lease -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf eth0
[18:34] <dbclinton> 1000     28356  0.0  0.0   3320   792 pts/0    S+   13:34   0:00 grep --color=auto dhcp
[18:34] <highvoltage> there should be some output that contains something like 'dhcp3-server'
[18:34] <highvoltage> yes that's not running
[18:34] <dbclinton> highvoltage: my client-side NIC, by the way, is eth1
[18:35] <highvoltage> do a: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[18:35] <highvoltage> dbclinton: what is its IP Address?
[18:35] <dbclinton> highvoltage: eth1 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:36] <dbclinton> highvoltage: ifconfig recognizes that
[18:37] <highvoltage> dbclinton: how did you install ltsp? did you install the ltsp-server package or the ltsp-server-standalone package?
[18:37] <dbclinton> highvoltage: Well here's a problem: bash: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server: No such file or directory
[18:37] <highvoltage> if it was ltsp-server it wouldn't have installed dhcp3-server
[18:38] <dbclinton> highvoltage: I did install ltsp-server. What should I add?
[18:38] <dbclinton> highvoltage:The standalone?
[18:39] <dbclinton> highvoltage: Will installing standalone now break anything?
[18:39] <highvoltage> dbclinton: nope
[18:39] <dbclinton> highvoltage: Then that's what I'll do! Thanks so  much!
[18:39] <highvoltage> you could install it and it will bring in the dhcp server without breaking anything existing
[18:40] <highvoltage> pleasure! (I'll be right back)
[18:46] <dbclinton> update: it took 90 seconds or so to install ltsp-server-standalone and all my worries are over (besides this month's MasterCard bill, of course)! Thanks!
[19:16] <bencrisford> highvoltage: so todays community session was productive? :)
[19:16] <bencrisford> (looks like it from the notes ;))
[19:23] <bencrisford> I wish I hadn't missed it :(
[20:01] <mhall119> we wish you hadn't too
[20:01] <mhall119> I think highvoltage is planning on re-capping today's sessions in tonight's meeting
[20:01] <bencrisford> mhall119: cancelled :(
[20:02] <mhall119> aw
[20:02] <bencrisford> yeah
[20:02] <mhall119> guess you'll have to wait to hear from him then, I missed the first session
[20:02] <mhall119> and was working while listening in on the second
[20:03] <bencrisford> mhall119: notes are on the mailing list :)
[20:03] <bencrisford> looks like a lot got done
[21:03] <mhall119> hmm, looks like I need to change the address I used for the mailinglist, which one was it sent to?
[21:04] <bencrisford> mhall119: edubuntu-devel
[21:05] <bencrisford> edubuntu-devel @ lists.ubuntu.com
[21:14] <mhall119> thanks, re-subscribed
[21:50] <bencrisford> Hmm, we have app bundles for primary, secondary education etc.  but have we looked at maybe having an app bundle of useful software for teachers and school management stuff?
[21:53] <bencrisford> Because software such as the fet timetable generator would be useful for school administrators, but not for alot of other users
[21:54] <bencrisford> so if there was a school management bundle it could not be included by default, but be available in the repos
[22:06] <bencrisford> anyway, g'night all
[22:07] <bencrisford> highvoltage: stgraber: enjoy day 4 tomorrow :)
[23:11] <maden> what are the minimal requirements to use edubuntu?


[00:27] <[Ubik]> ah
[00:27] <[Ubik]> nope, they still have the DECT system, not sure how much they use it vs desk phones if they have a choice
[05:25] <Omnifrog> the list is getting smaller


[01:31] <geeksquad> how do you change the email your nickname is registered to?
[01:34] <nalioth> geeksquad: /msg nickserv help set email
[01:34] <geeksquad> thank you very much
[01:36] <geeksquad> it says you have to verify your original identity
[01:37] <geeksquad> how do i do that nalioth
[02:09]  * genii puts on more coffee
[02:12] <genii> I'm getting that weird feeling like the calm before the storm thng
[03:17] <Pici> Hello from the Computer History Museum
[03:26] <nickrud> @btlogin
[03:27] <nickrud> is the bantracker down? @btlogin is giving me nothing
[03:28] <genii> nickrud: Try login first
[03:28] <nickrud> genii, did both
[03:29] <nickrud> no response, even a message about not authorized
[03:29] <genii> nickrud: Weird.
[03:30] <nickrud> ljl'll see that eventually and check it out I guess
[03:30] <genii> nickrud: Working for me. Did you identify to freenode?
[03:30] <nickrud> yeah, I've got my cloak on
[03:31] <nickrud> which is another issue, I need that modified. professional is inflated ;)
[03:33] <mneptok> @login
[03:33] <mneptok> nickrud: WFM
[03:33] <nickrud> @login
[03:34] <nickrud> hm, didn't work in an ubottu pm. Might be the issue
[03:34] <nickrud> @btlogin
[03:34]  * genii sips and examines the bot with interest
[03:41] <genii> False alarm
[03:57] <Flannel> jason_: Hi jason_, How can we help you?
[04:17] <genii> Flannel: Apparently not
[04:17] <Flannel> genii: Indeed
[04:19] <DBO> Flannel, well you know... I could use a back rub...
[04:20] <nickrud> hm, a set of waldos at each workstation could be interesting
[04:21] <Jack_Sparrow> @bansearch jason_
[04:22] <Flannel> !pony-#ubuntu-offtopic | DBO
[04:22]  * DBO looks funny at Jack_Sparrow
[04:23] <DBO> bansearching me?
[04:23] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[04:23] <DBO> am I that suspicious with my +v and longing standing relationship with the ubuntu community?
[04:23] <Jack_Sparrow> We had a jason issue earlier today
[04:23] <DBO> ah
[04:23] <DBO> fair enough
[04:24] <Flannel> DBO: you're more suspicious with the +v, sheesh
[04:24] <DBO> tis true
[04:24] <nalioth> wow, DBO is here  :)
[04:25]  * mneptok farts primly in DBO's direction
[04:25] <DBO> hey all =)
[04:25] <DBO> yeah I was even watching over people with the stink eye in #ubuntu-offtopic yesterday... really quite a turn of events
[04:28] <nickrud> nalioth, can you alter cloaks?
[04:30] <tritium> Good evening.
[04:30] <mneptok> tritium: heya
[04:30] <mneptok> tritium: how's the wife and the bun in her oven?
[04:30] <tritium> Hi mneptok :)
[04:31] <tritium> Doing well, thanks.  How are you two doing?
[04:31] <mneptok> we're not fully frozen yet!
[04:31] <mneptok> had a nice ice storm last night
[04:31]  * mneptok should snap a photo or 2 on the way home
[04:31] <tritium> I'd be interested to see that.
[04:33] <mneptok> i'm out in 30m. give me an additional 30 and you'll have your photo. :)
[04:33] <tritium> The ice storms in Indiana always used to fascinate me -- each little blade of grass, or twig surrounded by a perfect 1/4" or so of crystal-clear ice.
[04:33] <tritium> Right on.
[04:41]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee for the channel then goes /away
[05:55] <mneptok> tritium: http://birdhouse.org/~mnep/icestorm/
[05:57] <mneptok> pardon the crap quality. poor lighting + shaking cold hands = trash
[08:59] <Myrtti> hello
[08:59]  * Myrtti pokes elkbuntu gently
[08:59]  * Myrtti prods LjL as well
[09:13] <Myrtti> I was just wondering if snuxoll sent an email to the council as I told him to do
[09:13] <Myrtti> apparently ASUS-tek is really stalking him
[09:14] <PriceChild> Myrtti: no
[09:14] <Myrtti> PriceChild: ohai
[09:14] <PriceChild> nothing in ubuntu-irc either
[09:15] <PriceChild> and pfft, didn't think i would be out of bed thie early?
[09:34] <Myrtti> anyway
[09:34] <Myrtti> I'll poke snuxoll to send that email
[09:35] <Myrtti> I'm not going to touch the issues of -offtopic/ASUS-tek with a ten foot pole for a while
[09:45] <Myrtti> take care kids.
[12:24] <phix> hi
[12:25] <ikonia> hello
[12:26] <ikonia> phix: how can we help
[12:26] <phix> wake up LjL and demand he unbans me :)
[12:27] <ikonia> no
[12:27] <phix> worth a try
[12:27] <ikonia> you where told 12 hours ago by ljl to come back in a few days
[12:27] <phix> ikonia: more than 12 hrs ago
[12:27] <phix> ikonia: try 24
[12:27] <ikonia> ok, then 24 hours
[12:27] <ikonia> thats a day
[12:27] <phix> at least
[12:27] <phix> perhaps a few hrs more
[12:28] <phix> same time tomorrow then?
[12:28] <ikonia> I suggest you come back in at least another 24 hours to talk to ljl as constantly asking seems to suggest your not getting the point
[12:28] <phix> yes I got the point, now I want in
[12:29] <ikonia> phix what is the point then ?
[12:29] <phix> keep lines below 3
[12:29] <ikonia> no
[12:29] <phix> or 4, one of those figures
[12:29] <ikonia> no
[12:29] <phix> 9?
[12:29] <ikonia> it was your intentsaying hi 9 times added no value to the channel
[12:29] <phix> either way, don't flood, I get it
[12:29] <ikonia> and served as a disruption to the channel
[12:30] <phix> yeah that was a typo
[12:30] <ikonia> you also tried to lie and say you only did it a few times and "stopped" when in truth you did it 9 times and WHERE stopped
[12:30] <ikonia> 9 times is not a typo
[12:30] <phix> I didnt lie, I seriously thought I only did it 5, I couldn't refer back to the channel since the window closes when I get banned
[12:30] <phix> it was a good estimate though
[12:30] <phix> and yes I did stop
[12:31] <phix> then I was kicked and banned
[12:31] <ikonia> phix: you didn't stop
[12:31] <ikonia> you where muted and sent a futher 4 message while muted
[12:31] <phix> if the bots didn't intervene you would have seen that I did
[12:31] <phix> wtf
[12:31] <ikonia> it still logs what you say when the bots step in
[12:32] <ikonia> that language (wtf) is not appropriate for ubuntu channels, nor is it needed
[12:32] <phix> :\
[12:32] <phix> I may as well go now before that ban is increased
[12:32] <phix> cya later
[12:32] <ikonia> I personally don't believe you intent, and don't actually trust your attitude, so I won't be removing the ban while ljl is not here, I suggest you come back in 24 hours to speak to ljl
[12:32] <ikonia> "your intent" sorry
[12:32] <phix> ok
[12:32] <phix> done
[12:33] <ikonia> thanks
[12:34] <ikonia> if there is nothing else I'd request you leave the channel until your next ready to talk to ljl
[12:34] <phix> ok
[12:34] <phix> cya
[12:34] <ikonia> thanks
[12:35] <Nafallo> haha! and the guy's ident is "threat". convincing... ;-)
[12:35] <ikonia> exactly
[13:31] <sken> why am i forwarded to this channel!
[13:31] <sken> how can i uninstall google earth
[13:32] <sken> can anybody me unlock my ban?
[13:33] <ikonia> you are forwarded to this channel because of your persistant behaviour
[13:33] <ikonia> you have been banned / kicked over 5 times in the last 30 days
[13:33] <sken> lol why?
[13:33] <ikonia> and you started swearing and finding it funny in #ubuntu
[13:34] <ikonia> you know why
[13:34] <sken> i dunno it's not my fault
[13:34] <bazhang> sken you had an exchange with Panarchy today, did you not?
[13:34] <sken> my bro is searing
[13:34] <sken> swearing
[13:34] <ikonia> not interested in your brotehr
[13:34] <ikonia> you are reasonable for your own account
[13:34] <sken> yeah bazhang
[13:35] <bazhang> !coc > sken
[13:35] <bazhang> !guidelines > sken
[13:35] <sken> on behalf of my bro i tell you sorry
[13:35] <bazhang> !guidelines | sken
[13:35] <bazhang> sken read those.
[13:35] <bazhang> sken, no.
[13:35] <bazhang> sken, nothing to do with your brother.
[13:35] <ikonia> sken: lets be real - it's not your borther
[13:36] <ikonia> sken: it was you who said "fuck" in ubuntu a few minutes ago
[13:36] <sken> no dude
[13:36] <ikonia> sken: you did the same "lol" after you said it as you just did in here
[13:36] <sken> can you unlock me please?
[13:36] <ikonia> no
[13:36] <bazhang> sken no.
[13:36] <sken> why?
[13:37] <ikonia> I've just told you
[13:37] <ikonia> your behaviour
[13:37] <bazhang> sken, if you need to ask that, then you are not ready to join the channel
[13:37] <sken> come on dude sorrrry i have read the guidelines
[13:37] <ikonia> nope
[13:37] <ikonia> you've not read the guidelines
[13:37] <ikonia> now your saying it was you
[13:37] <bazhang> sken reading the guidelines is only one step.
[13:38] <ikonia> bazhang: he's not read 3 pages in 30 seconds
[13:38] <ikonia> not itnerested in lies
[13:38] <ikonia> interested
[13:38] <bazhang> ikonia, indeed not.
[13:38] <sken> come on guys i really need help!
[13:38] <ikonia> sken: not going to happen
[13:38] <ikonia> sken: you should consider that next time you consider being a pain / rude / offensive
[13:38] <bazhang> sken you are not helping your case by arguing this
[13:38] <sken> come on dude
[13:38] <ikonia> sken: no
[13:38] <bazhang> sken your ban will only get longer
[13:39] <ikonia> sken: it's not going to change at this moment in time
[13:39] <sken> how longer?
[13:39] <ikonia> sken: unknown at this time, come back in a few days
[13:39] <bazhang> sken please part now.
[13:39] <sken> what the f..... i have problem with my pc
[13:39] <sken> help me
[13:39] <ikonia> sken: again - language
[13:39] <ikonia> sken: no - you have cuased this your self now accept responsability and leave
[13:40] <bazhang> sken come back next week, four days from now.
[13:40] <sken> my hard disk is destryed
[13:40] <ikonia> sken: ban is now a week
[13:40] <bazhang> sken care to make it two?
[13:40] <sken> come onnnnn
[13:40] <ikonia> sken: now 2 weeks
[13:40] <sken> come on guyssssssss
[13:40] <ikonia> sken: 3 weeks
[13:40] <sken> plz help
[13:40] <ikonia> 4 weeks
[13:40] <sken> come onnnnnnn
[13:40] <ikonia> ok - 3 months, bye
[13:41] <ikonia> sken: please leave the channel and come back in 3 months
[13:41] <sken> fuck youuuuuu
[13:41] <ikonia> thoguth so
[13:41] <sken> son of a bitch
[13:42] <sken> you fucking gay bastard
[13:42] <ikonia> LjL: elkbuntu one of you two awake please
[13:42] <ikonia> sken: thanks for proving my point
[13:42] <bazhang> mneptok, hi
[13:42] <sken> fuck off
[13:43] <ikonia> sken: is your brother at your keyboard again
[13:43] <sken> yeah
[13:43] <bazhang> panarchy was acting up earlier as well
[13:44] <sken> can anybody unlock me
[13:44] <bazhang> jussi01, hi
[13:44] <sken> my pc is destroyed
[13:45] <sken> come  on guyssss
[13:45] <ikonia> @mark sken
[13:45] <bazhang> ikonia, not sure if you saw the exchange earlier or not
[13:45] <ikonia> bazhang: I didn't but I've seen enough
[13:45] <ikonia> sken: sorry your "fuck you" atttiude has now lost you any discussion
[13:46] <bazhang> ie not with present company
[13:46] <ikonia> sken: this disscussion is over
[13:46] <sken> come on my bro wason pc
[13:46] <ikonia> bazhang: nudge me a pm
[13:46] <sken> he is very spoiled
[13:46] <ikonia> sken: don't lie, it's tedious
[13:46] <sken> i''m not lying
[13:46] <sken> now iam the real sken
[13:47] <ikonia> I'm sure, lets not waste anymore time
[13:47] <ikonia> sken: please leave
[13:47] <sken> come on help me
[13:47] <sken> my pc is destroyed
[13:47] <sken> plx
[13:47] <sken> plz
[13:47] <ikonia> sken: it's not going to happe
[13:47] <ikonia> happen
[13:47] <ikonia> this is the consiquences of your action
[13:47] <sken> come on dude
[13:47] <sken> help me
[13:47] <ikonia> what part of "no" is not clear
[13:47] <sken> i really need help
[13:48] <bazhang> sken, you should join a general linux channel
[13:48] <sken> what dou you mean
[13:48] <bazhang> sken you will NOT be allowed in #ubuntu any time soon.
[13:48] <sken> you are not going to unlock me
[13:48] <bazhang> sken, there is also a #ubuntu-gr
[13:48] <sken> come on until tomorrow
[13:48] <ikonia> LjL: nalioth PriceChild elkbuntu Pici available please
[13:49] <ikonia> sken: just leave, it's not going to happen
[13:49] <sken> plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[13:49] <sken> sken>	come on help me 	<sken>	my pc is destroyed 	<sken>	plx 	<sken>	plz 	<ikonia>	sken: it's not going to happe 	<ikonia>	happen 	<sken>	come on dude 	<ikonia>	this is the consiquences of your action 	<sken>	help me 	<sken>	i really need help 	<ikonia>	what part of "no" is not clear 	<bazhang>	sken, you should join a general linux channel 	<sken>	what dou you mean 	<bazhang>	sken you will...
[13:49] <sken> ...NOT be allowed in #ubuntu any time soon. 	<sken>	you are not going to unlock me 	<bazhang>	sken, there is also a #ubuntu-gr 	<sken>	come on until tomorrow 	<ikonia>	LjL: nalioth PriceChild elkbuntu Pici available please 	<ikonia>	sken: just leave, it's not going to happen 	<sken>	plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[13:49] <sken> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzpllkdeojdeoidkjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjoeedjo
[13:50] <ikonia> sken: is this your brother again
[13:50] <sken> [INFO]	Channel view for “#ubuntu-ops” opened. 	-->|	YOU (sken) have joined #ubuntu-ops 	=-=	Topic for #ubuntu-ops is “Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam | This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | LoCo channel discussion etc. to #ubuntu-irc | We reserve the right to...
[13:50] <sken> ...remove idlers from the channel | Channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Be good!” 	=-=	Topic for #ubuntu-ops was set by LjL on Sun 23 Nov 2008 04:14:02 PM EET 	*ChanServ*	[#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to #ubuntu-ops - Home of the operators for official K/X/Ed/Ubuntu channels. Questions, requests and complaints about Ubuntu related channels and their people can be filed here"...
[13:50] <sken> ...	[INFO]	This cha
[13:50] <ikonia> !ops
[13:50] <sken> nnel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services (e.g. NickServ). Please see the documentation of this network's nickname registration services that should be found in the MOTD (/motd to display it). 	<sken>	can anybody unlock me 	<bazhang>	jussi01, hi 	<sken>	my pc is destroyed 	<sken>	come on guyssss 	<ikonia>	@mark sken...
[13:50] <sken> ...	<ubottu>	The operation succeeded. 	<bazhang>	ikonia, not sure if you saw the exchange earlier or not 	<ikonia>	bazhang: I didn't but I've seen enough 	<ikonia>	sken: sorry your "fuck you" atttiude has now lost you any discussion 	<bazhang>	ie not with present company 	<ikonia>	sken: this disscussion is over 	<sken>	come on my bro wason pc 	<ikonia>	bazhang: nudge me a pm 	<sken>	he is...
[13:50] <ikonia> !staff
[13:50] <sken> ...very spoiled 	<ikonia>	sken: don't lie, it's tedious 	<sken>	i”m not lying 	<sken>	now iam the real sken 	<ikonia>	I'm sure, lets not waste anymore time 	<ikonia>	sken: please leave 	<sken>	come on help me 	<sken>	my pc is destroyed 	<sken>	plx 	<sken>	plz 	<ikonia>	sken: it's not going to happe 	<ikonia>	happen 	<sken>	come on dude 	<ikonia>	this is the consiquences of your action...
[13:51] <ikonia> !staff | assistance with sken please
[13:51] <sken> ?
[13:53] <bazhang> sken your actions are not warranted on #ubuntu channels, nor freenode
[13:53] <sken> what do you mean
[13:53] <sken> was my f....... bro
[13:53] <bazhang> sken if you continue, you wont like the results.
[13:54] <ikonia> @mark sken again
[13:54] <sken> @mark what's that?
[13:54] <sken> help me
[13:55] <sken> plzz
[13:55] <sken> iam a good guy
[13:55] <bazhang> sken you would be well advised to leave right NOW.
[13:55] <Gary> sken: trolling support channels is not wanted on freenode
[13:55] <sken> why?
[13:55] <ikonia> Gary: thank you
[13:55] <bazhang> sken if you or your brother or your cat are doing this, it is ultimately your responsibility
[13:56] <sken> come on it's not going to happen again
[13:56] <bazhang> no its not.
[13:56] <Gary> didn't you say that already?
[13:56] <sken> when can i enter again?
[13:56] <ikonia> sken: leave this channel now please. This discussion ended a long time ago
[13:56] <bazhang> February 2009
[13:58] <ikonia> sken: Please leave this channel now.
[13:58] <sken> ow man make it at least 2 weeks
[13:59] <bazhang> !idle | sken
[13:59] <ikonia> sken: this disucssion ended a long time ago, please leave now
[13:59] <sken> no i'm not leaving
[13:59] <ikonia> sken: I assure you, you will be
[14:00] <sken> nooooooooooooooooooooo
[14:00] <sken> i'm not
[14:00] <bazhang> bye sken
[14:00] <sken> lol
[14:00] <sken> when can i enter
[14:00] <bazhang> February 2009 sken
[14:00] <bazhang> if you leave right now.
[14:01] <sken> come on make it 2 days at least
[14:01] <sken> or 3
[14:01] <sken> or 1
[14:02] <bazhang> sken as was explained earlier, there are other linux support channels; you would be well advised to seek those out now.
[14:02] <sken> which one
[14:02] <bazhang> !irc | sken read the last link
[14:03] <bazhang> heh
[14:03]  * Gary really hates timesinks
[14:04] <bazhang> hi Gary
[14:04] <bazhang> :)
[14:04] <Gary> hey bazhang
[14:04] <Gary> oh btw, zloy is on probation
[14:04] <bazhang> !timesink
[14:04] <bazhang> thanks Gary
[14:05] <bazhang> zloykaba was in #ubuntu-ru earlier wonder if that was him
[14:05] <Gary> probably
[14:06] <Gary> sken: did you not get my last pm?
[14:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey guys.. this part msg looked questionable.. can someone translate?    I banned a mibbit user the other day and it seemed to take out two IP's
[15:22] <jdong> it's not before long people will realize the only reason nvidia makes linux drives is because Pixar's Quadro FX'es use the same chipset.....
[15:22] <LjL> bazhang, this: [06:53] *** bazhang sets mode -b *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users
[15:22] <jdong> as soon as the commercial Linux nvidia gig is over, I bet nvidia will provide to be one of the MOST hostile to FOSS vendors.
[15:23] <LjL> jdong: aren't they hostile enough already, given they're basically the only one not having announced opening specs?
[15:23] <jdong> LjL: I vaguely recall at the start of libata in 2.6.11, nvidia sued Jeff Garzik for trying to reverse engineer NCQ for sata_nvidia.ko
[15:23] <jdong> that's FOSS friendly.
[15:24] <jdong> don't help, then take legal action against people doing it for themselves
[15:24] <bazhang> LjL, that must have occurred when I unmuted a user earlier; not intentional I assure you
[15:24] <LjL> jdong: are people still suing for reverse engineering? didn't they get that it's legal yet?
[15:24] <bazhang> err unbanned
[15:24] <LjL> bazhang: ok then reinstating
[15:24] <bazhang> LjL, my apologies
[15:24] <LjL> bazhang: np
[15:24] <jdong> LjL: oh without a doubt it's legal, but that won't stop legal harassment as a way for a multibillion dollar company to bully a RedHat employee
[15:24] <bazhang> I blame it on metabot.
[15:25]  * LjL legally harasses jdong
[15:25] <bazhang> haha
[15:25] <jdong> :)
[15:30] <jussi01> lol
[15:45] <LjL> wasn't "malv" a very old troll?
[15:45] <ikonia> I don't know his age
[15:45] <ikonia> <dum dum, tish>
[15:46] <LjL> ikonia: *sigh* was waiting for that
[15:46] <ikonia> glad I didn't dissapoint
[16:24]  * genii sips
[16:26]  * jussi01 brews a large kubuntu pot of coffee for genii
[16:26] <genii> jussi01: Yay!!
[16:27]  * genii does a happy little caffeine jig
[16:37] <Gary> I needs coffees
[16:38]  * jussi01 hands Gary a nice large kubuntu mug of coffee
[16:38] <Gary> ewww kubuntu :p
[16:39] <jdong> does that mean the mug has this cashew that tries to expand in my face then crash each time I take a sip?
[16:40]  * jussi01 slaps jdong
[16:40] <jdong> it's rethinking the coffee mug paradigm!
[16:40] <jdong> *ducks*
[16:41] <jpds> Morning.
[16:41] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[16:42] <Pici> Yes, yes good morning.  jpds and I are waiting for the Community Roundtable to start
[16:45] <jussi01> Pici: have you seen dhobch anywhere?
[16:46] <genii> Pici: I never did find out what the hell you've been eating there
[16:46] <Pici> jussi01: Right now, no. Yesterday, yes.
[16:47] <Pici> genii: Google Burritos
[16:47] <jussi01> Pici: if you see him today, please give him a in-person ping from Me re: IRCC :D
[16:47] <jpds> jussi01: He's everywhere.
[16:47] <jussi01> LOL
[16:47] <genii> Pici: Interesting. I was imagining ravioli and lime jello, or possibly employee cafeteria fare
[16:48] <Pici> genii: This is their employee cafeteria
[16:48] <Pici> genii: Its all free, all the time
[16:48] <genii> Damn. Now I want to work at Google
[16:48] <jpds> (And the same stuff all the time)
[17:12] <jussi01> ubottu: join #launchpad-releases
[17:14] <jpds> Fail.
[17:15] <jussi01> jpds: no, she didnt fail, just likes to confuse people :P
[17:48] <tritium> mneptok: good pictures of the ice storm.  Thanks!
[17:49] <PriceChild> freezing rain is cool
[17:49] <PriceChild> get it?
[17:49] <bazhang> oof
[17:53] <jussi01> PriceChild: that was a dad joke... you a dad yet?
[17:53] <Ursinha> lol
[17:59] <PriceChild> jussi01: nope :(
[17:59] <PriceChild> jussi01: but it is... did lots of it in job
[17:59] <PriceChild> jussi01: well, not making freezing rain, but things about it
[17:59] <Pici> o.O
[17:59] <jussi01> heh
[17:59] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[18:00] <jussi01> ikonia: you have pm ;)
[21:16] <ikonia> @bansearch ChotaZ
[21:19] <LjL> ikonia: no worries, he banned himself.
[21:19] <tritium> heh
[21:20] <ikonia> saved me the bother
[21:20] <ikonia> floodboy kicks now ?
[21:20] <LjL> ikonia: mibbit users, yes it does
[21:20] <LjL> ikonia: did for quite a while
[21:20] <ikonia> ahh
[21:20] <ikonia> never noticed
[21:21] <LjL> ikonia: it has to remove the +e for any +b or +q to work anyway, so no point in leaving them in the channel
[21:21] <ikonia> ahhh so it's cause and effect
[21:22] <LjL> ikonia: it *could* probably avoid banning on flood, with some tweaking
[21:22] <LjL> ikonia: but i really can't be bothered, they're already being granted a privilege by being let join from mibbit, if they flood, meh too bad for them
[21:23]  * tritium googles mibbit
[21:23] <ikonia> LjL: I agree
[21:23] <LjL> tritium: www.mibbit.com, it's the most widely used web irc client currently
[21:24] <tritium> Thanks.  I had never heard of it before now.
[21:27] <ikonia> what's juanez on about saying you have to edit hal configs to get xorg working ?
[21:27] <LjL> ikonia: eh, there might be some truth in that with intrepid...
[21:27] <ikonia> am I missing something ???
[21:31] <LjL> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/84102/
[21:32] <ikonia> reading.....
[21:32] <ikonia> input devices only
[21:32] <ikonia> that makes sense
[21:33] <LjL> it all doesn't make very much sense to me
[21:33] <LjL> i just avoid answering any questions that involve X...
[21:34] <LjL> and meanwhile, i hold tight to my Hardy xorg.conf
[21:34] <ikonia> nah it's fine, I'm reading now
[21:34] <ikonia> looks like it's common sense stuff, physical devices like input devices suggested in your paste are managed by hal from what I'm reading
[21:35] <ikonia> but the actual config of the Xserver is still managed in xorg
[21:35] <ikonia> as I read it
[21:36] <LjL> what does this OOo 3 have so cool that everyone wants to install it?
[21:36] <LjL> i mean, it's a boring office suite, no 3d cubes
[21:36] <Nafallo> LjL: "3"
[21:36] <LjL> Nafallo: you think they misread that as "3D"?
[21:36] <ikonia> LjL: much slicker than 2
[21:36] <ikonia> much more what a office suite should be
[21:37] <ikonia> still not mega though
[21:37] <LjL> ikonia: you mean it doesn't take a coffee and some biscuits' time to start up?
[21:37] <Nafallo> LjL: no. just that 3 are higher than 2.
[21:37] <ikonia> LjL: still not great
[21:37] <Nafallo> LjL: doesn't take a lot to get users of :-P
[21:37] <ikonia> most people who want it want if for the reasons Nafallo say
[21:38] <LjL> i see
[21:38] <ikonia> (from what I've read in #ubuntu)
[21:41] <ikonia> @bansearch enigma
[21:41] <ikonia> @btlogin
[22:46] <LjL> hmm i might have banned frankS2 a tad too hastily
[22:46] <LjL> he's in a few channel and had posted the same OT question in #gentoo too, so i assumed he had posted it in the others too...
[22:46] <LjL> but it seems he's only done it in #g and #u
[23:20] <Thehelpfulone> why do you +e users o.o
[23:20] <LjL> Thehelpfulone: try joining from mibbit and you'll find out easily enoug
[23:21] <LjL> Thehelpfulone: or for that matter, if you check #ubuntu's banlist you'll see that any web gateway (mibbit included) is banned, so a +e is really the only way to let any mibbit user in
[23:21] <Thehelpfulone> ah
[23:21]  * Thehelpfulone opened ban list and got a nice flood ;)
[23:58] <LjL> Pici: it was dbo.
[23:59] <DBO> twas
[23:59] <DBO> I did it
[23:59] <DBO> also, about WWII, my bad
[23:59] <LjL> i knew.


[19:05] <austen> Hey
[22:03] <Pendulum> paul_h1: you're the person who just posted asking about Unity and Orca, right?
[22:03] <Pendulum> bah
[22:03] <Pendulum> nevermind
[22:03] <Pendulum> I was crap at reading names ;-)
[22:04] <Pendulum> TheMuso: are you aware if any testing was done of running Orca on Unity?
[22:22] <paul_h1> Pendulum: sorry, did you ask me something? (wasn't paying much attention to computer...)
[22:25] <Pendulum> paul_h1: I did, but then realised the answer to my question was no :)
[22:29] <paul_h1> Pendulum: oh okay :) hows it going anyway?
[22:29] <Pendulum> okay. how're you?
[22:33] <paul_h1> Pendulum: okay :) job hunting at the mo. how's the ubuntu a11y effort going? I did a successful upgrade to Maverick with Orca the other day :)
[22:33] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Yes, it doesn't work.
[22:34] <TheMuso> not completely anyway. GNOME pieces, like network manager/the indicator menus/nautilus work, but the main unity shell doesn't at all.
[22:35] <paul_h1> is this the netbook UI?
[22:35] <TheMuso> yes
[22:37] <Pendulum> TheMuso: ah, okay. Someone asked about it on the list so I figured I'd ask around
[22:37] <Pendulum> paul_h1: well, we're gearing up to figure out what we want to talk about at UDS and what we want to do this cycle
[22:37] <TheMuso> I'll reply as well
[22:38] <Pendulum> I'm starting to think QA is more and more important between the whole Orca & Unity thing and a problem that came up on the list a couple weeks ago with the accessible installer
[22:38] <Pendulum> or, rather, that it's a role we should do more of
[22:39] <TheMuso> Agreed. Pitty under normal circumstances, I can't give enough time to that.
[22:39] <Pendulum> yeah
[22:40] <Pendulum> I wish I had a better ability to test things like Orca because I think they're where we have more issues (opposed to the software I use which has less integration issues and more issues directly with the software, although I've heard it's fixed in Maverick, anyway)
[22:41] <Pendulum> and breaking things is fun ;-)
[22:41] <paul_h1> I don't think that maverick can be installed with orca can it? I hit a wall once the webkit bit kicked in
[22:41] <Pendulum> paul_h1: I think that's right
[22:42] <paul_h1> that's why I tried a distro upgrade which luckily went well
[22:42] <Pendulum> yeah
[22:43] <Pendulum> I haven't upgraded my main machine, just my netbook (which has regular ubuntu)
[22:43] <TheMuso> The problem with the live installer for me, is that it doesn't yet support LVM, and I tend to always install to LVM setups on any of my machines.
[22:48] <paul_h1> my main work laptop is running maverick quite nicely. I'm hoping to install server edition on a machine soon
[22:57] <JanC> TheMuso: it might be possible to install on LVM volumes with the live CD installer if you create them first?  or does it really ignore existing LVM volumes??
[22:58] <TheMuso> JanC: The live installer doesn't have the patchwork at the backend to use LVM.
[22:58] <TheMuso> Its on the list of requested features, but not there yet.,
[23:53] <paul_h1> TheMuso: wondering how the process of migrating vinux to use the same build process as ubuntu discs is going?
[23:54] <TheMuso> paul_h1: Slowly, other interests outside of work/life have kept me away from it somewhat.
[23:57] <paul_h1> fair enough. is this a project of yours alone? last time I looked at the ninux website I saw no indication that this was an intention of vinux for the future. are the other vinux guys part of these plans?
[23:58] <TheMuso> paul_h1: They know about them, but are not involved yet. Its something I am doing on my own, due to the difficulty of the process and the systems involved. Once done, I hope to completely document it, so others can learn/maintain it.
[23:58] <TheMuso> I decided to take this route after seeing the horrible hacky way in which vinux CDs have been produced in the past.


[11:35] <albech> is the only way for a directory to inherit parent privileges (both user, group and other) by using ACLs? Can't this be achieved with setgid and setuid?


[19:40] <petersaints> Hi guys. You are responsible for the "Official PPA for Firefox Beta", am I right? Could you please update the available packages. Firefox 37 is currently on Beta 6 but the available packages are still on Beta 3.
[19:41] <petersaints> Couldn't you automatically build new packages everytime a new Beta version is released?


[20:42] <Daviey> Hi, is the /current karmic netboot installer working?
[20:42] <Daviey> vmlinuz-2.6.31-100-imx51
[20:46] <Martyn-> netboot?  No
[20:46] <Martyn-> not on arm anyway
[20:47] <Daviey> Martyn-: hmm.. there isn't an arm netboot since jaunty then?
[20:47] <Martyn-> I wasn't aware that even jaunty had a working net-install
[20:47] <Martyn-> netboot, yes
[20:47] <Martyn-> net install?  no.
[20:48] <Daviey> my bad, i mean't netboot
[20:49] <Daviey> I can't get the karmic vmlinuz-2.6.31-203-dove or vmlinuz-2.6.31-100-imx51 working..
[20:49] <Daviey> What should the -M be?
[20:49] <Daviey> for qemu :)
[20:51] <Martyn-> dunno
[20:51] <Martyn-> I have real hardware :)
[20:51] <Martyn-> for even Cortex-A9 :)
[20:51] <Daviey> lucky :)
[20:54] <Daviey> Martyn-: would you be really kind, and give me the output of dpkg-architecture on an armel box?
[20:54] <Daviey> (or anyone else for that matter)
[21:00] <Martyn-> can't at the moment .. I'm at home, not at work :)
[21:00] <Martyn-> sigh
[21:00] <Martyn-> wait, I might be able to VPN in if you're patient
[21:01] <Daviey> Martyn-: nah, don't worry. but thanks anyway.
[21:02] <Daviey> not that i'm being impatient, i just don't want you to go to extra effort :)
[21:13] <ali1234> i did a net install on armel... it didn't work, but i  think only cos the box didn't have enough ram
[21:13] <ali1234> it got quite far before it crashed
[21:15] <ali1234> Daviey: there is a rootfs building script for armel which uses qemu heavily, perhaps it will provide some hints for you? link is in topic
[21:19] <Daviey> ali1234: i'll check it out, but it seems the kernel for karmic isn't working for some reason.. There isn't a versatile one, only dove and imx51, and neither of these seems to work with qemu :(
[21:19] <ali1234> build your own then :)
[21:20] <ali1234> i've only tested with jaunty anyway, and i think that's what the rootfs script uses also
[21:20] <ali1234> but it doesn't seem too picky about kernel. i used a random 2.6.25 and it mostly worked
[21:21] <Daviey> hmm.. ok thanks ali1234


[16:15] <theunixgeek> I accidentally deleted my Wine menu (Ubuntu) and I'm trying to get it back with wine /usr/lib/wine/winemenubuilder.exe.so but nothing's happening.
[17:32] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, Can someone tell me which command to use to generate xorg.conf file automatically?
[17:42] <jbrefort> X -configure ?
[17:44] <Muhammad_Saad> let me check.
[17:46] <Muhammad_Saad> command not found.
[17:47] <Muhammad_Saad> I have found the command dexconf with the help of apropos but I am not sure about it.
[17:47] <jbrefort> /usr/bin/X
[17:49] <Muhammad_Saad> I guess /usr/bin/X will just start the X server.
[17:49] <jbrefort> with the -configure option,it generates a xorg.conf.new
[17:54] <Muhammad_Saad> Some people at #ubuntu recommended that I use dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure Xorg.
[17:55] <Muhammad_Saad> instead of other commands.
[17:58] <Muhammad_Saad> I have noted all the commands so that I can use them in future.
[17:58] <Muhammad_Saad> Thanks for all the help.
[21:32] <pem725> anyone familiar with setting up a dual head with edubuntu?  I need some help with the lst.conf.
[21:33] <johnny_> i've never heard of anybody setting up a dual head client.. you're prolly gonna have to come back tomorrow for many of the ltsp folks to be here
[21:33] <pem725> ok, thanks for the quick reply.  I will come back tomorrow.  Cheers...
[21:34] <johnny_> i'll try it myself sometime
[21:34] <johnny_> just not tonight :(