[12:35] <KurtKraut> I have Ubuntu running in a desktop CPU. I use this machine as personal webserver. Actually, I'm using Dapper's kernel for desktop. I would have a better performance with linux-image-server ?
[10:38] <blue-frog> I installed timeoutd on my breezy, there's a script in /etc/init.d . what command must I do for timeoutd to be run at boot time pls? (update-rc?)
[10:46] <lionelp__> blue-frog: yes, it is update-rc.d
[10:46] <blue-frog> ty
[10:46] <infinity> blue-frog: It's not already set up to do so?
[10:47] <blue-frog> apparently not, timeoutd shows up in /etc/init.d but it's not launched at boot time
[10:47] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ ls -l /etc/rc?.d/???timeoutd
[10:47] <infinity> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-05-19 18:47 /etc/rc0.d/K20timeoutd -> ../init.d/timeoutd
[10:47] <infinity> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-05-19 18:47 /etc/rc1.d/K20timeoutd -> ../init.d/timeoutd
[10:47] <infinity> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-05-19 18:47 /etc/rc2.d/S20timeoutd -> ../init.d/timeoutd
[10:47] <infinity> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-05-19 18:47 /etc/rc3.d/S20timeoutd -> ../init.d/timeoutd
[10:47] <infinity> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-05-19 18:47 /etc/rc4.d/S20timeoutd -> ../init.d/timeoutd
[10:48] <infinity> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-05-19 18:47 /etc/rc5.d/S20timeoutd -> ../init.d/timeoutd
[10:48] <infinity> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-05-19 18:47 /etc/rc6.d/K20timeoutd -> ../init.d/timeoutd
[10:48] <infinity> Well, it's configured to start.
[10:48] <infinity> update-rc.d won't help you here (since it was already run successfully to do exactly what you want)
[10:48] <blue-frog> it shows up in all rc* indeed but I still have to start it manually
[10:49] <lionelp__> infinity: blue-frod is on breezy
[10:49] <infinity> So, find out why it's not starting, then. :)
[10:49] <infinity> lionelp__: Makes no difference.  As he says, it has the links in the right place in breezy too.
[10:49] <lionelp__> oups, i missed it
[10:49] <infinity> blue-frog: Make the init script log its actions somehwere and see if there's some reason it's dying on boot.
[10:50] <lionelp__> blue-frog: yesterday you told that you were not sure of your configuration syntax
[10:50] <lionelp__> that maybe the reason
[10:50] <blue-frog> config syntax problem is to have timeoutd reading correctly /etc/timeouts
[10:51] <blue-frog> am not sure about my syntax in /etc/timeouts
[10:51] <blue-frog> which so far is
[10:52] <blue-frog> Al:*:joe:*:2:3:5:WARN
[10:52] <blue-frog> the figures are riciculously low for my tests...
[10:53] <infinity> blue-frog: Well, does it start correctly with "/etc/init.d/timeoutd start"?  If so, then config syntax won't change how it works at boot versus how it works later.
[10:53] <blue-frog> otherwise I just installed timeoutd using synaptic and didn't touch anything else
[10:53] <infinity> If it's failing to start ONLY at boot, then there's something special about the state of the machine at S20 that's making timeoutd not start.
[10:54] <blue-frog> yes starting manually causes no problem to the daemon
[10:54] <blue-frog> and I think of it I have a similar problem with ssh and samba as well now
[10:55] <blue-frog> not starting at boot but starting and working manually ok
[10:56] <blue-frog> ps ax gives me   8178 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/timeoutd
[10:57] <lionelp> why not :)
[10:58] <lionelp> did ps show you an init script that is still running ?
[10:58] <blue-frog> ps gives me bash and ps
[10:59] <lionelp> ps waux or similar i mean :)
[11:00] <blue-frog> not sure what am supposed to look for with px waux, gives me shitloads of lines
[11:01] <lionelp> ps waux | grep init.d
[11:01] <blue-frog> /bin/sh /etc/init.d/rc 2
[11:02] <lionelp> Ok
[11:02] <lionelp> You should not have anything
[11:03] <blue-frog> aha ah
[11:03] <lionelp> One of the starting script never ends
[11:03] <blue-frog> ok i know which
[11:03] <lionelp> it starts with a letter before "S" :)
[11:03] <blue-frog> hotkeysetup, i deleted it in /etc/ini.td but dind't take out the links
[11:04] <infinity> Uhm, if rc is still stuck between runlevels, that's generally considered bad, yes. :)
[11:05] <blue-frog> so is ther a command to update all rc* or do i have to rm manually the bad links?
[11:05] <lionelp> you have to do it manually
[11:06] <blue-frog> ok will do ty for this, now any idea why my /etc/timeouts seems not to be read correctly pls?
[11:06] <infinity> update-rc.d hotkeysetup remove
[11:06] <infinity> But why did you remove it in the first place? :)
[11:07] <blue-frog> was new to linux and kept having lines an d lines in the logs about key not assigned
[11:07] <infinity> Oh, it's hotkey-setup, not hotkeysetup, according to my system.
[11:07] <blue-frog> yes sry typo from my part
[11:07] <infinity> blue-frog: You could have just purges the hotkey-setup package. :)
[11:08] <blue-frog> that's what i would do now yes, but kind of forgot about waht i did ^ months ago :)
[11:09] <blue-frog> k links removed
[11:09] <blue-frog> infinity, are you familiar with time restriction and session timeout pls?
[11:10] <infinity> I don't use timeoutd, sorry.
[11:10] <infinity> Just installed it for 20 seconds up there to check on your init.d problem.
[11:11] <blue-frog> too bad for me, and about account required pam_time.so in /etc/pam.d/common-account?
[11:11] <blue-frog> I have a weird thing going on with gksudo when I do it
[11:11] <lionelp> blue-frog: it works for me
[11:12] <lionelp> I do a simple test with timeoutd
[11:12] <lionelp> lionel@cigogne:~$
[11:12] <lionelp> You have exceeded your idle time limit.  Logging you off now.
[11:12] <lionelp> Connection to cigogne closed by remote host.
[11:12] <lionelp> Connection to cigogne closed.
[11:12] <blue-frog> what 's your syntax in /etc/timeouts pls lionel?
[11:12] <lionelp> Only one line:
[11:12] <lionelp> Al:*:lionel:*:2:0:0:0
[11:13] <blue-frog> hum same than me but now as all my daemon were not loaded i may have a problem from ther
[11:13] <blue-frog> going to load all of them and i'll be back
[11:13] <infinity> I don't use pam_time either, though it looks somewhat straightforward.
[11:14] <blue-frog> inifinity, yes it is straight forward
[11:14] <blue-frog> but as soon as I activate pam_time.so, my admin account is not able to use the graphical frontend for programs such as synaptic
[11:15] <infinity> Then I suspect you configured it wrong. :)
[11:15] <blue-frog> while sudo in console stilll works, going to load everything, might be coming from that unachieved boot...
[11:15] <blue-frog> configured what?
[11:15] <infinity> pam_time
[11:15] <lionelp> blue-frog: hunt only one problem at the same time :)
[11:16] <lionelp> timeoutd and pam_time are two different things
[11:16] <blue-frog> well as you said straight forward so i din't fiddled with much thing except pam.d/coomon-account...well yes c ya in a bit
[11:16] <blue-frog> right lionel
[11:31] <blue-frog> infinity, lionel ty for your help, found the script that was hanging up in rc2, was partimage server...removed it all works fine now, timeouts and so on...will double check in 10 minutes about this gksudo problem
[11:34] <lionelp> nice
[11:34] <blue-frog> this timeou thing is most helpful as otherwise someone connectiong 2 minutes vbefore the end of its authorized session can stay connected forever
[11:35] <blue-frog> still i have to make timeoutd check for time range but i'll get there eventually
[11:36] <blue-frog> is there a way to accelerate the sudo timeout pls?
[11:37] <blue-frog> I mean to force it
[11:38] <lionelp> blue-frog: sudo -K
[11:39] <blue-frog> ty
[11:39] <blue-frog> what about gksudo
[11:42] <blue-frog> don't see anything in man
[11:42] <blue-frog> and sry for sudo, man would have given me the answer
[11:43] <lionelp> that is more a desktop issue than a server issue btw
[11:43] <blue-frog> it is indeed but the problem with the other channels is that they are more into displaying nvidia and ati stuff than anything else unfortunately
[11:44] <blue-frog> or installing games... :(
[11:44] <lionelp> i know, i know
[11:45] <blue-frog> btw regarding timeoutd and pime_time, if I setup damba-ldap pam_time and timeoutd will still work the same correct?
[11:46] <blue-frog> sry for typos..
[11:46] <blue-frog> anyway will install it so iw ill see by myself, not thinking straight today..
[11:46] <lionelp> it is more or less the same
[11:47] <lionelp> I ma note sure (I do not remember, but samba guide should say) if time policy are realy used bu samba
[11:48] <blue-frog> it's ok made myself a script that installs/configure samba-ldap in 5 minutes so it's easy for me to check...
[11:48] <lionelp> blue-frog: does timeoutd covers your needs ? It will logout a user only if he is idleing, right ?
[11:48] <blue-frog> not only
[11:49] <blue-frog> you can specify idle, max time in session, max time per day
[11:49] <blue-frog> and normally it can check as well for time range
[11:49] <blue-frog> by adding it just after Al for exaple
[11:50] <blue-frog> testing it right nw, will tell you in a minute
[11:50] <lionelp> ah yes, okay
[11:51] <lionelp> I should tell my school to use it instead of rebooting 5 times the workstations until people definitely left the school :)
[11:51] <blue-frog> hum have to man a bit more to make timeoutd checks the time range
[11:51] <blue-frog> that's exactly why am looking at it... children :)
[11:52] <lionelp> :)
[11:52] <lionelp> you work for a university ?
[11:52] <blue-frog> but that can be applied to all companies anyway..
[11:52] <blue-frog> no looking for a job
[11:52] <lionelp> I am not at school anymore
[11:53] <lionelp> (so do not call me children anymore ;-))
[11:53] <blue-frog> and been trainig myself hard on linux, so I am missing a lot of command line, but i can find my way around and perpare a server wihtout problems
[11:53] <blue-frog> :)
[11:54] <blue-frog> am not anti windows but pro linux...
[11:54] <blue-frog> now
[02:28] <blue-frog> am at a loss to achieve the following. joe can only log in and use gdm from 3pm ot 5pm. if he logs in at 4.45pm he must be disconnected at 5pm. fiddled with pam_time and timeoutd but can't achieve what I want, hints/help most welocmed
[02:51] <airjump> hello
[02:52] <lionelp> hi airjump
[02:53] <airjump> hi lionelp
[04:24] <BlackHand> hi
[04:26] <lionelp> Hi BlackHand
[04:29] <BlackHand> for server what fs can be the recomended for ubuntu
[04:29] <BlackHand> ext3, reiserfs or xfs ?
[04:30] <BlackHand> rhel and derived (centos, tao) don't use other thing that ext3 (centos support xfs in unofficial way) in suse i see reiserfs, but some ppls recomends me to stay away from reiserfs in servers
[04:30] <BlackHand> in the ubuntu server inititative will be a recomended fs  ?
[04:32] <maswan> My personal recommendation is ext3 or xfs depending if you value stability or performance highest.
[04:34] <lionelp> BlackHand: there was a rescent article on debian-administration about that
[04:34] <lionelp> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
[04:34] <lionelp> it will give you more arguments than I can
[04:34] <BlackHand> gud
[04:35] <lionelp> The conclusion is that XFS is the best compromise (for those who are too lazy too read :-))
[04:36] <lionelp> I personnaly use XFS
[04:36] <BlackHand> yes i see
[04:37] <maswan> if you break your storage only slightly, xfs_repair is fairly good at finding your data. I don't have the same confidence in reiser tools.
[04:37] <BlackHand> and the point about xfs and 4k stacks ?
[04:38] <maswan> dunno, what was that point?
[04:41] <BlackHand> for example xfs + lvm or xfs + soft raid or worse xfs + lvm + soft raid, stack exhausting and core dump
[04:41] <maswan> ok, never seen that happen.
[04:41] <BlackHand> xfs alone (no other layer for device/filesystem) no probs
[04:42] <BlackHand> the ubuntu kernel have 4k stacks active ?
[04:42] <maswan> we run breezy with lvm+xfs and md+xfs and no issues.
[04:43] <maswan> not sure on lvm+md+xfs in produciton use right now
[04:44] <lionelp> I have no lvm+md+xfs here
[04:44] <lionelp> but I have md+xfs on breezy and dapper without probelm
[04:50] <BlackHand> uhm
[04:50] <BlackHand> ubuntu dont use 4K stacks i see now
[04:50] <BlackHand> no risk to reduced stack size for many layers in device/filesystem
[04:50] <BlackHand> ok
[04:51] <BlackHand> ^_^
[11:08] <CarlFK> lionelp: todays server install still failing on installing kernel https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/45248
[11:09] <CarlFK> hmm, that may still have been yesterdays .iso
[11:10] <CarlFK> yep.  let me try again today using today's image ;)


 Bluetooth speakers and keyboard
[11:31] <MrChrisDruif> Creative D100 speakers and Targus Bluetooth Keyboard
[11:34] <BluesKaj> MrChrisDruif, wife has apr of creative T40's ...great sound , a sub helps , but not much
[11:36] <MrChrisDruif> I'm gonna use it for when I hang out with some friends and/or family. Those speakers will certainly be an upgrade from my phone ones ;-)
[11:37] <BluesKaj> yeah , look like decent speakers for the money
[11:38] <BluesKaj> the t40s are made by cambridge audio ..quite well known in the audio world
[11:42] <MrChrisDruif> The D100 is getting good reviews allround
[11:42] <MrChrisDruif> Especially for it's price
[11:43] <MrChrisDruif> Added bonus, it uses 4 * AA batteries
[12:02] <elfy> with today's daily 64bit - has anyone happened across a firefox bug where it starts with what appears to be a turkish ubuntu start page ...
[12:08] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, and I just ordered the Toshiba AT300!
[15:50] <IdleOne> Why do I have lightdm installed if I am using Kubuntu?
[15:51] <IdleOne> hmm, maybe I installed something else that depends on Lightdm?
[15:51] <IdleOne> but I can't imagine what that may have been
[15:54] <astraljava> rdepends FTW!
[15:56] <IdleOne> hmm apparently there is a lightdm-kde-greeter but I still don't understand why I need lightdm when I use kdm
[16:30] <penguin42> IdleOne: And I didn't think KDE liked lightdm
[16:31] <penguin42> what's the state of QQ install images at the moment - I'm about to do a fresh install onto my funky new SSD - are the dailies working at the moment?
[16:37] <IdleOne> I install 64bit Desktop last night with testdrive, no issues
[16:37] <IdleOne> installed*
[16:37] <penguin42> IdleOne: Using the daily image or the alpha?
[16:37] <IdleOne> hmm, good question. I think testdrive pulls the daily
[16:38] <IdleOne> it uses rsync to get updates, so yeah.
[16:38] <penguin42> ok, suppose I should do the mechanics of fitting the drive and back some important stuff up first :-)
[16:39] <IdleOne> probably a good idea
[16:42] <penguin42> IdleOne: Was that the kubuntu desktop image ?
[16:42] <IdleOne> penguin42: no, Kubuntu is a real install. I decided to test Ubuntu in VM
[16:43] <IdleOne> haven't played much with it in a few months and wanted to see what was new, if anything, with Unity.
[16:43] <penguin42> nod
[22:30] <penguin42> IdleOne: The QQ Kubuntu daily worked nicely for me
[22:30] <penguin42> ssd - zoom zoom!
[23:56] <peterrus> are there any issues know with the intel HD4000 + DRM?
[23:56] <peterrus> for some reason DRM loads (as seen in dmesg) but my /sys/class/drm folder does not get populated
[23:57] <peterrus> I am trying to find out what causes this, as this did work a few days ago
[23:57] <peterrus> not sure if it has to do with updates though


[05:33] <nixternal> Kubuntu has been rather quiet around here lately, as it seems all the Kubuntu bugs this week were my fault ;)
[05:46] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee and Hobbsee_!!
[05:47] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[05:59] <Jucato> hm... looks like a lot of people have been looking for kuickshow lately...
[06:00] <Hobbsee> what, the one that got removed?
[06:00] <Jucato> yes
[06:01] <Hobbsee> that's a first
[06:01] <Jucato> and some guys, in the bug report and in #kde, claim that the older imlib doesn't cause any incompatibility
[06:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I've counted at least 2 persons in Dapper from the forums, and I some people in the IRC looking for it
[06:01] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[06:04] <Jucato> probably a review of bug 42081 ?
[06:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42081 in kdebase "Cannot execute kuickshow" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42081
[06:04] <Jucato> althought the bug is titled incorrectly :P
[06:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:05] <Hobbsee> youd have to get Riddell's input on that.  and cd space is a problem, as always
[06:06] <Jucato> well not in the CD :)
[06:06] <Jucato> Riddel commented on that. but his reply was a bit...umm... sparse? :)
[06:06] <Hobbsee> what do you expect?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> but ask him again about it for feisty
[06:06] <Jucato> um.. nothing at all hehehe
[06:07] <Jucato> I will :)
[06:07] <Jucato> 4:07pm over there?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:09] <Jucato> ah ok. just double checking if the clock applet got DST right
[06:09] <Jucato> wb abattoir! (if you're even there)
[06:10] <Jucato> O_O
[06:10] <Jucato> hhehe... on my kustom install, Krita adds 3: 2 under Graphics, and 1 under Office :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ouch
[06:11] <Hobbsee> but if you've done that customly, then i dont care :P
[06:11] <Hobbsee> as it's not a bug :P
[06:11] <Jucato> hehe that's what I get for kustomized installs :)
[06:11] <Jucato> well, I've installed Kubuntu from server/minimal install. but I installed KOffice (krita included) from the repos.
[06:11] <Jucato> :P
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:13] <Jucato> hm.. looks like I have to talk to el again... :(
[06:13] <Jucato> (system settings again)
[06:13] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:14] <Jucato> kde 3.5.5 has a funny feature if you set your K Menu to display "Name (Description)" :D
[06:34] <Jucato> ah at last! a possible way to download packages and put them on a CD to be used as a repository...
[06:34] <Jucato> wonder how stable this is
[12:25] <Riddell> Huahua: do you know the cause of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/scim-qtimm/+bug/37711 ?
[12:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37711 in scim-qtimm "Qt/SCIM broken (Cannot enter numbers in to spinbox widget)" [High,Confirmed]
[12:39] <Riddell> mhb: KubuntuGrubconfig looks good, I've proposed it for uds-mountainview so that the usability spod can look at it
[12:41] <Riddell> imbrandon: how's the koffice compiles?
[12:43] <Riddell> imbrandon, Hobbsee: any idea if anyone was packaging amarok 1.4.4?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: imbrandon has.  works nicely (i386)
[12:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any idea where?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure, on his harddrive.  did you want the debs or the source?
[12:45] <Riddell> sebas: do we want to port guidance-power-manager to pyqt4 in feisty?
[12:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: mostly I want everything compiled in triplicate so I can put it on kubuntu.org :)
[12:46] <sebas> Riddell: No, we want to use KDE stuff in it.
[12:46] <Riddell> sebas: specificly?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmmmm...i'm not sure i could do that.  i dont have access to imbrandon's ppc.
[12:46] <sebas> KConfig, for example
[12:46] <Hobbsee> nor his amd64, but i could build that on stevenk's machine, if you wanted
[12:46] <Hobbsee> then again, it's slightly mean to yoink things off his hard drive without telling him :P
[12:47] <sebas> What would be the added benefit of Qt4 above Qt3 + KDE?
[12:47] <Riddell> sebas: ok (I'm just mindful that for feisty+1 we probably will have lots of porting to qt/kde 4 so am looking for candidates to start early)
[12:47] <sebas> Ah, rather not powermanager, it also uses kdialog
[12:47] <sebas> And KUniqueApplication
[12:48] <Riddell> yep
[12:52] <Riddell> sebas: wibble, have you poked the travel agent about tickets?
[12:53] <sebas> I will do now, good idea
[12:53] <Riddell> sebas: bearing in mind that you don't generally get actal tickets any more, just a booking number
[12:56] <sebas> I've sent an email to the travel agency
[12:56] <Riddell> sebas: this canonical's agency?
[12:57] <sebas> It's called Eyas
[12:57] <Riddell> yes
[12:57] <Riddell> they're usually pretty prompt in replying
[12:57] <sebas> Yeah, re-reading the email says "I'll confirm later today", that was 18-10
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hum, i'm jealous.  all this talk of flying :P
[12:59] <Riddell> yeah, it's so much fun being squished into a tidy chair for 10 hours at a time :)
[12:59] <Riddell> s/tidy/tiny/
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:59] <abattoir> Riddell: is Ubiquity going to be ported into Qt4 for feisty?
[01:00] <abattoir> *ported to
[01:00] <Riddell> abattoir: yes, that's my plan
[01:01] <Huahua> hi, Riddell . I can't  reproduce this in edgy.  zh_CN.UTF-8, skim.
[01:01] <Huahua> Riddell: #37711
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you do at least live on the right side of the world for travel
[01:01] <Riddell> Huahua: so that bug can be closed according to you?
[01:01] <Huahua> Riddell: yes
[01:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: west US is just as far for me as it is for you no?
[01:02] <abattoir> Riddell: because i wanted to switch to qt4 for oem-config, to make it look more like my mockups for SoC, but i heard that it might be merged into Ubiquity, so i'll wait till UDS gets over then... thanks
[01:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm not sure.  my geography is very poor.
[01:02] <Riddell> abattoir: mmm, good idea
[01:03] <abattoir> :P
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hah.  wow
[01:04] <Riddell> I wonder what to do about beryl-by-default in kubuntu
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i dont seriously think that it will be included by default.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: but presumably we'll run beryl by default here too, if that happens?  or vote on whether to include it, ro what?
[01:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's a gtk app, but I seem to remember being told it's light on gnome dependencies otherwise
[01:05] <Hobbsee> true
[01:06] <Hobbsee> i didnt notice much difference between it on gnome and kde
[01:06] <Hobbsee> mind you, i couldnt use a lot of the effects anyway
[01:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: any idea if it includes any KDE style window borders?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> (where usually the "gnome apps on kde" or vice versa is far more common)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> uh....i believe there's some form of crystal one
[01:07] <Hobbsee> i'd have to reboot to double check though - i'm not on that partition
[01:08] <Hobbsee> s/common/pronounced/
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i didnt see anything particularly kde like.  and any changes that you make in gnome beryl automatically transfer over to the kde beryl
[01:44] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping, i have 1.4.4 compiled for all 3 arches for edgy and koffice done for ppc ( amd64 still compiling )
[01:44] <imbrandon> uploading them for ya now
[01:45] <Riddell> imbrandon: can I rsync them from somewhere?
[01:45] <imbrandon> hrm not sure if i have an rsync server setup on the webserver
[01:46] <Riddell> imbrandon: just needs rsync installed and me with ssh access
[01:46] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[01:46] <imbrandon> then yea, let me setup an account then
[02:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, heh , you probably will only get ~30 to ~40KiB/s
[02:14] <imbrandon> from that host ( as its at my house )
[02:15] <imbrandon> Riddell, why is amarok got so tight cdbs deps?
[02:15] <imbrandon> can we drop those for a backport ?
[02:15] <Jucato> moin imbrandon, Riddell! :)
[02:15] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[02:15] <Riddell> imbrandon: probably, check the changelog and see if there's a reason there, else test and see
[02:15] <imbrandon> kk
[02:27] <Jucato> Riddell: thanks for clarifying the issue with Kuickshow :)
[02:27] <Riddell> Jucato: it wouldn't be hard for someone to package it, just needs doing (and someone we can rely on to keep it up to date)
[02:28] <Jucato> Riddell: someone came in here the other day asking about how to compile kuickshow on Edgy (or was it Dapper?). I'll just direct him to that bug report.
[02:36] <GNUro> good morning!
[02:44] <imbrandon> moins GNUro
[02:46] <GNUro> imbrandon: :)
[03:14] <Tm_T> Aah, Jon Hall makes sense. <3
[03:15] <Riddell> saying anything interesting?
[03:15] <Tm_T> Yes, talking a lot about nature of 15 years old etc.
[03:16] <Tm_T> http://video.helsinki.fi/Arkisto/tallenne.php?ID=19415
[03:16] <Tm_T> http://video.helsinki.fi/Arkisto/tallenne.php?l=en&ID=19415 rather
[03:16] <Riddell> kubuntu-feisty-ubiquity, kubuntu-update-manager, kubuntu-gdebi, kubuntu-feisty-adept-changes, kubuntu-hwdb-usability, kubuntu-feisty-kde4-plan, kubuntu-feisty-language-selector, kubuntu-feisty-oem-installer, kubuntu-driver-device-manager, kubuntu-feisty-system-settings, kubuntu-feisty-hal-device-manager, kubuntu-grubconfig, kubuntu-onboard
[03:16] <Riddell> should be easy to do those in 6 months :)
[03:16] <Tm_T> :)
[03:21] <Jucato> O_O
[03:25] <GNUro> i think that kubuntu need a simple firewall's gui like windows.. :P
[03:25] <Jucato> guarddog
[03:25] <Riddell> GNUro: why?
[03:25] <GNUro> why kubuntu will be oriented to Desktop.. and i think that guardog, kmyfirewall ecc. is not very simple
[03:26] <Riddell> GNUro: but why would a user need a firewall?
[03:26] <imbrandon> with no open ports be default a single system doesnt need one on kubuntu , and if you have a router with multi systems your behind its firewall/nat
[03:26] <imbrandon> imho
[03:27] <GNUro> Riddell:  why not?
[03:27] <imbrandon> its not like windows where there are 50 open ports OOTB
[03:27] <Riddell> as imbrandon says
[03:27] <Riddell> GNUro: we need usecases
[03:29] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, how far are you on that frostwire deb?
[03:29] <gnomefreak> i havent started on it yet
[03:30] <imbrandon> did you email upstream for their packaging dir? i'm thinking we could probably just modify that for our needs as they generate debs anyhow
[03:30] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling its gonna be a bit harder than just fixing teh installer file
[03:30] <imbrandon> and then posibly send them pacthes back
[03:30] <imbrandon> well with the deb you shouldent need the installer
[03:30] <imbrandon> it should skip over that
[03:31] <gnomefreak> i emailed frostwire at a contact email and havent heard back
[03:31] <imbrandon> rockin, ok lemme pop into the shower and we'll chat a bit more, i have another idea too
[03:31] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: the deb wont install on edgy due to #!/bin/sh
[03:31] <imbrandon> okies ?
[03:31] <gnomefreak> that would be the installer running that afaik
[03:31] <Jucato> dash bash :)
[03:31] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, i know, well it installs, just dont run
[03:31] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: yep thats fine
[03:31] <GNUro> sorry, but i think that a good and complete os, need a firewall.. (Eg. Drop incoming icmp packets)
[03:31] <imbrandon> ok back in ~20 minutes
[03:31] <gnomefreak> k
[03:32] <GNUro> however i love kubuntu! :)
[03:32] <imbrandon> GNUro, you've been used to windows too long :) heh
[03:32] <imbrandon> anyhow brb
[03:33] <GNUro> imbrandon: i don't use windows since 2000 :)
[03:33] <Riddell> GNUro: what do you need it for then?
[03:36] <GNUro> Riddell: more linux user often install more services... and often this is dangerous... and more linux user is a newbie!
[03:37] <GNUro> in a LAn (eg my university) the network administrators don't want any server
[03:38] <Riddell> so don't install any servers :)
[03:38] <GNUro> Riddell: many user than don't install linux.. don't install you mysql test server.. don't use your test apache... don't use nothing! :)
[03:40] <GNUro> however i hope that in the next 6 months i can develop a REALLY simple firewall for kde... :) (i hope)
[03:40] <GNUro> Simple...
[03:41] <GNUro> however kubuntu is geat! :) and i love it!
[03:41] <GNUro> great
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya
[03:55] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:58] <gnomefreak> good morning bddebian
[03:58] <Jucato> gnomefreak's back. possibly full :)
[03:58] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:59] <gnomefreak> ok lets take a look at this before he gets back
[04:05] <bddebian> Heya gnomefreak
[04:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:18] <Riddell> GNUro: if you want to do it that's great, I'd advise you write a spec so we can review the ideas
[04:40] <mez> wtf?
[04:40] <mez> for some reason - FF isnt working, and I'm getting a result of "<IP_ADDRESS>" when looking up archive.ubuntu.com
[04:48] <gsuveg> re
[04:57] <oslo> where are my udev rules ?
[05:03] <mez> god it feels good to be using my pc
[05:09] <nixternal> sorry for missing the other keyboards there Mez ;)
[05:10] <Mez> nixternal: no problem - I was just being awkward
[05:10] <nixternal> hehe
[05:10] <Mez> nixternal: are you the one who has the spam thing that has the maths ?
[05:10] <nixternal> i forgot im dealing with an international crowd
[05:10] <nixternal> ya
[05:10] <nixternal> i need to remove it
[05:11] <Mez> I was just wondering - you had something like 7+8x10 ...
[05:11] <nixternal> lol
[05:11] <Mez> does it accept both 87 and 150 ?>
[05:11] <nixternal> i have no idea
[05:12] <Mez> because there are 2 answers, dependant on if you do it in a correct mathematical way, or just LTR
[05:13] <nixternal> hehe
[05:14] <Mez> It's such a shame I can only get 512k here
[05:14] <nixternal> i have 8mb down, so i can't complain..now my upload is capped at 384k i believe, and that sucks
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Soooo
[05:43] <GNUro> Hi
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Hello
[05:44] <DaSkreech> Hi Mez
[05:56] <Mez> I know I'm meant to love KDE and all that, but I want my xchat/gaim/thunderbird
[05:56] <Tm_T> So who's stopping you?
[05:57] <Mez> the speed of my internet connection ;)
[05:57] <Mez> (I'm updating from the beta to edgy releasE)
[05:57] <Tm_T> Mez: Maybe my offer to pango-tcp will help you.
[05:57] <Mez> Tm_T: ??
[05:58] <Tm_T> s/pango/bongo/
[05:58] <Tm_T> http://eagle.auc.ca/~dreid/
[05:59] <Tm_T> Mez: Interested? ;)
[06:00] <Tm_T> That'll solve your speed problems, it's all up to your handspeed then.
[06:09] <MEZ> hmmm
[06:10] <MEZ> why is konsole now not letting me select to copy / right click to paste
[06:10] <MEZ> and how do i get it back to normal
[06:17] <DaSkreech> eh?
[06:17] <Mez|ARGH> konsole, I used to be able to select somehting,  and it'd copy it to clipboard
[06:17] <Mez|ARGH> or right click something and it'd paste it into konsols
[06:17] <Mez|ARGH> now it doesnt
[06:19] <gsuveg> anyone can help em within guidance debug ?
[06:24] <fdoving> Mez: right click? you mean both-buttons or the 3rd?
[06:25] <Mez> fdoving: right click in konsole used to paste
[06:25] <fdoving> oh.
[06:25] <imbrandon> middle click in konsole pastes, right click dident ( not by default )
[06:25] <imbrandon> It also seems that several of the dapper to edgy upgrade problems are caused by the use of Automatix; a tool to perform common customisations to Ubuntu, such as replace the pre-installed software with alternatives and install packages that Ubuntu is unable to pre-install due to patent or other legal issues.
[06:25] <fdoving> never used that feature.
[06:25] <imbrandon> Henrink has a few good points about this, however I feel that its also important to remember that the Ubuntu community does not only consist of the core developers.
[06:25] <imbrandon> Automatix, and its like, are by their very definition, tools to reduce the amount of your system that the core developers will support. The default set of installed packages is not arbitrary, and one may be selected over your preferred solution simply because we do not have the expertise in the team to deal with the other, or even because the other is not supported upstream!
[06:25] <imbrandon> crap , like that
[06:26] <imbrandon> sorry
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Needs to Poke kwii with a large stick
[06:31] <Tonio__> hi
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Hello
[07:04] <imbrandon> Riddell, amarok officialy released if you wanna put it on kubuntu.org
[07:04] <imbrandon> ( the news post )
[07:12] <nixternal> damn, i just got owned on the planet
[07:27] <mhb> fdoving: was it you who wanted to make Firefox fully compatible with Kubuntu apps etc?
[07:49] <gnomefreak> mhb: he was part of the convo but i thought it was someone else. i know i would like to se eit as would a few others
[07:49] <gnomefreak> a bug spured that topic
[07:50] <mhb> gnomefreak: I'd most probably like to help with that a bit during Feisty, so I wanted to know
[07:51] <gnomefreak> im not sure whos gonna be trying that one out. if anyone yet
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Hooray!
[08:13] <DaSkreech> We closed more bugs than opened last week
[08:14] <gsuveg> DaSkreech: can i open you more one ;)
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Bring it on!!!
[08:15] <gsuveg> guidance related
[08:15] <gsuveg> but i need a some eat, and later back
[08:16] <DaSkreech> gsuveg: Have you asked in #kubuntu?
[08:16] <gsuveg> DaSkreech: i showed it to Raphael in Budapest
[08:16] <gsuveg> yepp
[08:16] <gsuveg> no answer ;)
[08:16] <DaSkreech> #ubuntu+1 :-)
[08:16] <gsuveg> brr
[09:15] <fdoving> mhb: i was part of the conversation about making kmail the default mailclient and other small fixes. I think doing it would be very very simple.
[09:17] <DaSkreech> What's default now?
[09:18] <mhb> fdoving: what about other apps? gwenview for images, oo.org for documents,etc. ... is it possible as well? How to distinguish Ubuntu/Kubuntu default applications in Firefox?
[09:22] <fdoving> haven't tought about that yet.
[09:22] <fdoving> mail is the most important, don't you think?
[09:23] <fdoving> images open directly in firefox, oo.org documents are opened in oo.org in ubuntu aswell.
[09:23] <mhb> fdoving: mail could be the most important, but sometimes I need others too
[09:24] <fdoving> sure.
[09:25] <fdoving> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/66990
[09:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66990 in kubuntu-meta "kubuntu/firefox should per default open mailto: with kmail" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[09:25] <mhb> fdoving: thanks
[09:33] <mhb> fdoving: any specification/mtv discussion about it?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> can you recode the power button to not be off?
[09:36] <Mez> any reccomendations for a good mail client (with decent filterS)
[09:36] <fdoving> mhb: there is https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-kde-support in my history, i haven't touched it yet.
[09:36] <DaSkreech> as in you press the power button and it doesn't initiate shutdown now?
[09:37] <mhb> fdoving: I see, declined
[09:42] <fdoving> I can understand that, as firefox is not installed by default, and we have konqueror.
[09:43] <Riddell> imbrandon: amarok announced
[09:44] <imbrandon> Riddell, rockin ( i'm seeing about how long till we can upload to -backports too but i have a feeling we have to wait for feisty to open up )
[09:45] <Riddell> at the least I'd have thought
[09:45] <imbrandon> i guess i'm a single man again too ( not by my choice though ) divorce papers came today registered mail :(
[09:46] <imbrandon> well in paris there was talk aobut opening -backports when RC freeze took , but i dont know
[09:46] <imbrandon> if its gonna actualy happen
[09:46] <imbrandon> either way its not a long wait, should be this week
[09:46] <imbrandon> sometime
[09:48] <Riddell> imbrandon: are your koffice packages available?
[09:48] <imbrandon> oh snaz i forgot to copy them, lemme do that now
[09:49] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you do keximdb?
[09:50] <imbrandon> i just apt-get source koffice from your repo and then pbuilt the dsc
[09:50] <imbrandon> what ever it built
[09:50] <Riddell> yep
[09:50] <mez_> Riddell, still no disks
[09:50] <mez_> Riddell, however, internet at home now ;)
[09:51] <Riddell> Mez: one step at a time
[09:51] <imbrandon> Mez, cool
[09:51] <Mez> Riddell, ... ?
[09:58] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Sorry :(
[10:00] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, everything happens for a reason, it will all work out somehow
[10:00] <imbrandon> :)
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah doesn't mean that it doesn't suck right now :)
[10:10] <Riddell> imbrandon: is it there?
[10:15] <imbrandon> almost
[10:16] <fdoving> Riddell: has mornfall given up the adept development?
[10:16] <Riddell> fdoving: for the moment yes
[10:17] <Riddell> volunteers welcome :0
[10:18] <imbrandon> is whats in kubuntu current source ?
[10:18] <fdoving> yeah, i tried to understand some of the code a few days back. But no luck. :]
[10:19] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[10:19] <DaSkreech> Unity is done?
[10:19] <imbrandon> ok Riddell should be copied
[10:19] <imbrandon> pool/edgy/koffice
[10:19] <mhb> Riddell: I'll try to fix the localisation error in it, for starters (but I don't want to maintain it)
[10:20] <DaSkreech> how come Unity is kompleted?
[10:24] <gsuveg> Riddell: have you a min?
[10:25] <Riddell> gsuveg: a quick one
[10:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: I see no .debs in there
[10:25] <gsuveg> Riddell: raphael give your name for me in budapest
[10:25] <Riddell> mhb: which error?
[10:25] <imbrandon> Riddell, hrm lemme look again
[10:25] <gsuveg> me dont works the guidance power manager in edgy
[10:26] <Riddell> riddell@enterprise:~/web/pool/edgy/koffice$ ls
[10:26] <Riddell> koffice_1.6.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.build  koffice_1.6.0-0ubuntu1.diff.gz  koffice_1.6.0-0ubuntu1.dsc  koffice_1.6.0.orig.tar.gz
[10:26] <imbrandon> crap ok one more sec
[10:26] <mhb> Riddell: adept refused to load libept.mo localisation, IIRC ... maybe it's fixed now
[10:26] <gsuveg> Riddell: dont detect the battery state, etc. acpi -t show correct it
[10:26] <mhb> I haven't used it for quite some time
[10:27] <Riddell> gsuveg: does gnome-power-manager work?  that would let us know where the problem is
[10:27] <Riddell> mhb: oh yes
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey :)
[10:27] <gsuveg> Riddell: i dont have gnome ;)
[10:28] <gsuveg> Riddell: dapper worked before
[10:29] <gsuveg> Riddell: you whant to install ubuntu-desktop?
[10:30] <oslo> why a vid so crappy with: " xvidcap --fps 23.5 --continue yes --time 30 --source x11 --gui --file test.mpeg " ----->  http://www.cannacola.free.fr/test.mpeg   ???
[10:32] <gsuveg> Riddell: gimme me 20 min ;)
[10:37] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ baby
[10:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: lol
[10:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: you have a spec kubuntu-default-settings-review, is that for edgy or feisty?
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't write that spec, but it probably got assigned to me...
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to check
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about default settings, I'm just trying to share datas between 2 machines using smb, but all graphically (no command lines)
[10:38] <Tonio_> it is a mes....
[10:38] <Tonio_> +s
[10:38] <Riddell> https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-default-settings-review
[10:39] <Riddell> yes, our smb tools are broken
[10:39] <Tonio_> I can't wait that we discuss this at mtv
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I found one settings combinaison that works......; but it took me 40 minutes :)
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: checking
[10:40] <fdoving> i'm glad fish:// exists.
[10:40] <Tonio_> fdoving: fish:/ is very slow
[10:40] <Tonio_> fdoving: I mean the ioslave
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: checking
[10:40] <fdoving> slow and very seamless.
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: just looked at the spec but I don't understand your question in fact
[10:43] <mhb> um...were there some intentions of making wine configuration possible through systemsettings or am I only badly informed?
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: edgy/feisty ? that spec is available for any kubuntu version I assume no ?
[10:44] <fdoving> doesn't it say 'what should we change in kubuntu-default-settings for edgy?' ?
[10:45] <Sime> mhb: yuriy developed a config tool for this during the summer, but it was a bit late to get it polished enough and into edgy.
[10:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: yes but that should be changed globaly as the subject is available for any kubuntu release
[10:50] <fdoving> ah.. ok. i'm not into specs etc.
[10:59] <mhb> Sime: do you have a link maybe?
[10:59] <yuriy> Sime: speaking of which...
[11:00] <mhb> yuriy: or you could .o)
[11:00] <yuriy> Sime: i've been meaning to send an email to you guys about that
[11:00] <fdoving> mailody looks promising :)
[11:01] <yuriy> Sime, Riddell: really sorry i didn't get it done for edgy. been really busy since school started.
[11:02] <yuriy> Sime: I got feedback from alexandre on the patch i was working on for wine at the end of september, but haven't touched it since...
[11:03] <yuriy> mhb: it's currently in KDE svn, in guidance, which is in playground. you can try it out, only thing that doesnt work is the browser setting
[11:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: that spec is accepted for mountainview sprint
[11:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you find out where koffice .debs got ?
[11:07] <yuriy> Tonio_: heh never noticed fish:/ is slow..
[11:07] <mhb> yuriy: thanks, I'll test it
[11:07] <imbrandon> no its really puzzling, i have a `find" running now on the amd64 box , and i started the bombed compile again on the ppc
[11:15] <gsuveg> Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running.
[11:16] <gsuveg> Riddell: funny..
[11:16] <Riddell> gsuveg: so same problem in gnome?
[11:16] <gsuveg> yes :(
[11:16] <gsuveg> but in gnome i have warning
[11:17] <fdoving> toma: do you have subscription to imap folders on your todo for mailody? that and multiple identities is what's keeping me from changing to it. Nice job :)
[11:17] <Riddell> gsuveg: file a bug on acpi-support
[11:17] <gsuveg>  * Starting ACPI services...                                                    acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy
[11:17] <gsuveg> ok
[11:18] <toma> fdoving: mulptiple identities: yes; subscription I wonder about
[11:18] <gsuveg> gsuveg@highway:~$ acpi -t
[11:18] <gsuveg>      Thermal 1: active[3] , 43.0 degrees C
[11:18] <toma> fdoving: i wonder how many people use it
[11:18] <fdoving> toma: i've always used it. don't know about others.
[11:28] <jjesse> hello :)
[11:31] <_superstoned> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Krita_1_6_State_of_the_art
[11:32] <fdoving> toma: i like how snappy mailody is. however it locks up when i select some of my (huge 10k+) imap folders.
[11:33] <toma> fdoving: give it some time to fetch them all
[11:33] <toma> fdoving: after that it should work fine again
[11:34] <fdoving> toma: ok, it's normal to use ~90% cpu for that?
[11:34] <toma> fdoving: damn, i dont use 10% of your processor?
[11:34] <fdoving> the 'do you want to kill melody' window appears..
[11:35] <fdoving> 30396 frode     25   0 72284  27m  18m R 97.6  3.7   2:18.37 mailody
[11:35] <fdoving>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[11:35] <toma> fdoving: beta1 tarball?
[11:36] <fdoving> the package
[11:36] <fdoving> sourced it and build it on powerpc.
[11:36] <toma> fdoving: cool ;-)
[11:37] <fdoving> beta1, yes. Mailody: 0.2.0-beta1
[11:37] <toma> fdoving: i've rewritten the socket level, I hope it is is slightly more responsive now
[11:37] <fdoving> so a svn checkout is advisable?
[11:37] <toma> fdoving: but for the final release, I will spend some more time on it
[11:38] <fdoving> nice, looking forward to it :)
[11:38] <toma> fdoving: thanks!
[11:46] <toma> Tonio_: have you seen that showfoto/digikam problem?
[11:53] <Tonio___> re
[11:53] <Tonio___> toma: sorry my internet connection sucks  toonight
[11:53] <Tonio___> toma: what is the digikam issue ?
[11:54] <toma> Tonio_: one sec