[00:00] <Cooltiger> well that didn't work
[00:00] <Cooltiger> I just tried to purge and install pidgin all over again any suggestions
[00:03] <ign0ramus> Cooltiger, maybe this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7480008&postcount=9
[00:06] <ign0ramus> Cooltiger, alternately, you can use the server: cs101.msg.mud.yahoo.com instead for now
[00:07] <davidjheinrich> can anyone help me with this issue?:
[00:07] <davidjheinrich> I have .ORF and .JPEG files, each with the same name before extension (i.e., _15355.ORF and _15355.JPEG). I've deleted .JPEG files I don't want, and want to make a script to get rid of the corresponding .ORF files. I.e., I want to make a script that will, within a folder, find all .ORF files that don't have a corresponding .JPEG file and delete them.
[00:08] <davidjheinrich> <actually, what about a script to move those files to a sub-folder>
[00:11] <Cooltiger> im not entirely familier with scripting however i am familier with programming so though I can not give the exact code try
[00:11] <Cooltiger> having it do a ls of that directory
[00:11] <Cooltiger> then pipe it to a check between the ORF and the JPG
[00:11] <Cooltiger> anything that fails gets transfered to a sub folder?
[00:12] <davidjheinrich> yea, that sounds like what I want to do
[00:13] <Cooltiger> and have it list only the *.ORF files
[00:13] <PSiL0> is it possible to compile qt 4.5.x in intrepid?
[00:13] <Cooltiger> I'll work on creating one and let you know what I come up with
[00:14] <davidjheinrich> thanks
[00:17] <ign0ramus> Cooltiger, you could probably use 'cut' to determine similar filenames
[00:18] <yao_ziyuan> suppose i want to create a new user account
[00:18] <gunslinger_> wew
[00:18] <yao_ziyuan> who can't see my existing user directory
[00:18] <yao_ziyuan> what groups should i give it?
[00:18] <yao_ziyuan> my current account is 'yaoziyuan', created during kubuntu installation.
[00:19] <yao_ziyuan> i want to create another account 'temp',
[00:19] <yao_ziyuan> who can't see my directory (/home/yaoziyuan).
[00:20] <Captain_Haddock> yao_ziyuan: you are using kubuntu's user manager?
[00:20] <yao_ziyuan> yes, kusers
[00:20] <Cooltiger> if it is another user they will be able to see the the folder yaoziyuan but they should not be able to go inside with out SU or SUDO privliges
[00:20] <Captain_Haddock> yao_ziyuan: that should, by default, work the way you want it to.
[00:21] <yao_ziyuan> but i assigned some groups to 'temp':
[00:21] <yao_ziyuan> adm,
[00:22] <yao_ziyuan> dialout, cdrom, plugindev,
[00:22] <yao_ziyuan> lpadmin, admin, sambashare, vboxusers
[00:22] <yao_ziyuan> i just give 'temp' all groups that 'yaoziyuan' has.
[00:22] <yao_ziyuan> except the group 'yaoziyuan'.
[00:22] <yao_ziyuan> but 'temp' has its own unique group, 'temp'.
[00:22] <gunslinger_> hi all
[00:23] <yao_ziyuan> then, this 'temp' user can access 'yaoziyuan's home directory.
[00:23] <yao_ziyuan> which groups should i detach from 'temp'?
[00:24] <liberfiasco>  Hi.. if I upgrade to 4.3 beta2 in backports, will my system be tracking backports indefinitely, up to 4.3 final and beyond or will ppa take over once final is there?
[00:24] <liberfiasco> I currently have ppa enabled
[00:25] <yao_ziyuan> i see, by default, i shouldn't give 'temp' these groups
[00:25] <Walzmyn> liberfiasco: i think that it'll use the highest version of a package, so if the one in the main repo gets moved up, the ppa will be ignored
[00:25] <Walzmyn> liberfiasco: but, the policy is to not impliment "new" things in a stable release, so the stuff in the ppa probably won't be in the main until 9.10
[00:26] <liberfiasco> ah
[00:26] <liberfiasco> but there is a difference, AFAIK, between "backports" and "ppa"?
[00:26] <Walzmyn> liberfiasco: that's all kinda putting things together, i've not seen an "official" policy on it
[00:26] <Walzmyn> liberfiasco: backports are things that are ready made for the next release that are being made available for the current release
[00:27] <liberfiasco> that is.. the repository currently holding 4.2.4 is "updates" and one with 4.3 is "backports"
[00:27] <Walzmyn> liberfiasco: so, the difference would just be symantics
[00:28]  * Walzmyn heads to the dinner table
[00:28] <liberfiasco> alright, thanks Walzmyn, gonna get 4.3 then :)
[00:29] <Captain_Haddock> yao_ziyuan: just give the same set of groups as yourself, minus the one with the same username as yourself. THis should be the default.
[00:30] <yao_ziyuan> Captain_Haddock: i did. but then the new user would be able to see my home directory
[00:32] <Captain_Haddock> yao_ziyuan: inside it? unless the directory belongs to a group that the new user belongs to, he shouldn't be able to.
[00:33] <yao_ziyuan> Captain_Haddock: these are the groups that 'yaoziyuan' belongs to: adm, dialout, cdrom, plugindev, lpadmin, admin, sambashare, vboxusers
[00:33] <yao_ziyuan> Captain_Haddock: if i let 'temp' join the same groups, it can see '/home/yaoziyuan's contents
[00:35] <liberfiasco> there's 28 blocked updates from backports..
[00:36] <liberfiasco> ah those seem to be 4.2.4 packages..
[00:37] <liberfiasco> in backports.. I guess they should be cleaned out then..
[00:37] <zer0o> hi guys how do i run compiz?
[00:37] <zer0o> its installed but i dunno how to run it, i want to customize it but dunno where it is
[00:41] <ign0ramus> !compiz | zer0o
[00:42] <zer0o> ive already read that
[00:42] <zer0o> but i cant really run it
[00:42] <zer0o> what do i need to do in order to run it
[00:42] <zer0o> its installed but i cant read it
[00:42] <zer0o> *run it
[00:47] <tomsdale> dragon player doesn't play .mp4 files - Is there a know workaround for 9.04? I'm on KDE 4.3 beta2
[00:55] <hrishi> hi
[00:56] <libervisco> Hi.. backports f****d up
[00:57] <libervisco> I can't log in to KDE.. kdm says no widget loaded, startx gets stuck at the world icon..
[00:58] <libervisco> hrmmmmm... wait a sec.. kpackagekit does apt-get upgrade by default, not dist-upgrade, which is why some of those packages are "blocked"...
[00:59]  * libervisco is running dist-upgrade and sees KDE related stuff coming down..
[01:05] <pxwebdev> hey everybody
[01:07] <Walzmyn> hi
[01:08]  * libervisco is regretting this :S
[01:08] <pxwebdev> anyone ever worked with mytv?
[01:08] <Walzmyn> libervisco: what are you regretting?
[01:08] <libervisco> upgrading to backports KDE 4.3..
[01:09] <libervisco> it wont log in..
[01:10] <Walzmyn> won't log into what?
[01:10] <libervisco> KDE4.3.. it gets stuck on the world icon, whatever that represents..
[01:11] <libervisco> networking I guess.. but not sure.. the third icon
[01:11] <Walzmyn> hmm, i assumn this is a different computer?
[01:11] <Walzmyn> libervisco: i don' t know that those icon actually mean anything. I think it's just a little video
[01:11] <libervisco> nope, I only have this one.. I've seen it said here 4.3 works well (better actually, no bugs I've been experiencing on 4.2) so I went for it
[01:12] <libervisco> I think they do.. probably some parts of the system, as they load so icons appear..
[01:12] <libervisco> if it gets stuck on one, not all icons appear
[01:13]  * libervisco is writing from irssi in console :S
[01:13] <Walzmyn> libervisco: sorry bud, it's working for me
[01:13] <Walzmyn> libervisco: i know you hate to hear that
[01:13] <libervisco> it's ok..
[01:14] <Walzmyn> libervisco: if you were to remove the ppa from sources.list and do an upgrade, would it roll stuff back to where it was before?
[01:14] <libervisco> I could try a reboot again.. looks like there were issues when I upgraded with kpackagekit and some blocked packages (probably cause it runs "upgrade" rather than dist-upgrade..
[01:14] <pxwebdev> You can try looking at the x server log and see what that says
[01:14] <libervisco> Walzmyn: that's what I'd like to know.. if all fails I could try that :)
[01:15] <pxwebdev> if its a error, then it would be logged
[01:15] <Walzmyn> libervisco: everybody's is seeing those blocked packages
[01:16] <JuJuBee> Anybody familiar with akonadi ?
[01:16] <libervisco> pxwebdev: nothing interesting there.. but X runs, it seems it's KDE that gets stuck..
[01:16] <JuJuBee> I am having trouble sync'ing with my palm.  I deleted a record from kaddressbook, but it still remains on palm.  How do I look at the akonadi db?
[01:18] <pxwebdev> libervisco: are you using server or desktop?
[01:19] <libervisco> desktop..
[01:22] <pxwebdev> how long have you waited for it to load?
[01:22] <libervisco> about a few minutes longest..
[01:23] <libervisco> switching back and forth between console and KDE login screen (ctrl-alt f keys) to see what's going on (but it says nothing useful)...
[01:23] <libervisco> and then the login screen just went black and shown only the X cursor
[01:24] <libervisco> oh and it displays some errors about power management and alsa not working
[01:24] <pxwebdev> well it seems like its loading, but there might be a issue with the video settings
[01:25] <pxwebdev> what you could try to do is remove it and install the other version
[01:25] <libervisco> yeah..
[01:26] <libervisco> I'll try rebooting and trying once again and then I'll try that..
[01:26] <pxwebdev> yeah sorry i couldnt help more
[01:26] <libervisco> no probs.. thanks
[01:26] <libervisco> brb
[01:33] <Serpardum> My son has kubuntu installed on a computer but he doesn't see the internet. He has a usb wireless card. What ist he command to look at network connections?
[01:36] <valgaav> Serpardum: probably lsusb in this case to see if kernel is seeing the usb device
[01:37] <valgaav> then I guess lsmod to check if the kernel has a module for it
[01:38] <valgaav> would be IMHO a lot easier to just google up "<name of the card> linux  " and check if the drivers are in kernel at all
[01:40] <Serpardum> I did valgaav, got too many responses about things not related
[01:41] <Serpardum> running commands that dont' exist in kubuntu but in ubuntu, etc.,.
[01:42] <libervisco> I removed all kde stuff (I think) and disabled ppa updates (with 4.2 in there) and some others and am trying 4.3 clean again.. maybe it works this time
[01:52] <Serpardum> Wehre is add network device in kubuntu?
[01:55] <Serpardum> Says supposed to use ndiswrapper, it's not installed, apt-get install ndiswrapper doesn't find anything.
[01:55] <Walzmyn> Serpardum: what are you trying to install?
[01:56] <Serpardum> Linksys usb wireless network card
[01:56] <Serpardum> the usb driver sees it
[01:56] <Serpardum> it's on my son's computer whom I have on the phone
[01:56] <Walzmyn> have you just tried using the networkmangaer plasmoid?
[01:57] <Walzmyn> ndiswrapper-common might be what your looking for there
[01:57] <Serpardum> he may have it connected
[01:58] <Walzmyn> if you've got all the required drivers it *should* just appear in the netowork manager
[01:58] <burn_> my trash can shows files in it, explore it, konsole it shows empty, on desktop shows full, when i click empty trash bin it says:The file or folder /home/burn/.local/share/Trash/files/ROMSetup-1c.bin does not exist.
[01:58] <Serpardum> okay, he found it in the network manager.  It's not connected yet :D
[01:59] <Walzmyn> Serpardum: there's also a ndisgtk package that is a gui frontend for ndiswrapper
[01:59] <Serpardum> I'm trying to talk him through it but I don't know what the wireless network connection looks like
[01:59] <Walzmyn> mine always pops up a dialog for the password that gets hidden behind all the other windows
[01:59] <Serpardum> he's eating
[01:59] <Walzmyn> Serpardum: make sure he looks for that
[01:59] <Serpardum> Well, turns out he has to first find the wireless to connect to
[02:00] <Serpardum> scan for routers, etc.. I guess
[02:00] <Serpardum> that's the way it is on windows anyway
[02:00]  * Walzmyn nods
[02:00] <burn_> anyone to help me with trash can? :D
[02:00] <Serpardum> clean it out now and then or it starts to stink burn_
[02:00] <Walzmyn> burn_: what version of kde?
[02:00] <burn_> wont clean, message gets anoyying
[02:01] <Serpardum> what message?
[02:01] <burn_> 4.2.3 or 4.2.4 let me check
[02:01] <Walzmyn> that's good
[02:01] <Walzmyn> i meang 3 vs 4
[02:01] <burn_> it is 4.2.2 on kubuntu jaunty 9.04
[02:01] <Walzmyn> what exactly is it doing?
[02:01] <Serpardum> I see, he said up there.
[02:01] <burn_> when i click empty trash bin it says: The file or folder /home/burn/.local/share/Trash/files/ROMSetup-1c.bin does not exist.
[02:02] <Walzmyn> hmm
[02:02] <Walzmyn> mine has got one file in it, and when i tell it to empty its not removing it either
[02:02] <Serpardum> maybe you have to run it as sudo
[02:02] <burn_> Walzmyn sudo console and rm it :d
[02:02]  * Serpardum shrugs
[02:03] <burn_> nothing in sudo shows empty
[02:03] <Walzmyn> burn_: yeah, i could
[02:03] <Walzmyn> burn but i'm wondering why neither of ours is acting as it should
[02:03] <burn_> not our folt we should beat the dev's :D
[02:04] <burn_> joking they are working so hard to give us this
[02:04] <Walzmyn> I was REAL skeptical about the convert over to kde4, but I gotta tell ya, i'm loving this thing
[02:06] <burn_> how it goes the rm -rf command fo all files in a dir?
[02:08] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, hey, remember how i could only load *some* flash videos?
[02:09] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus: emm, no.
[02:09] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, no? i thought it was you i was talking to yesterday.  my mistake
[02:09] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, but i'm sure you'll be glad to know i resolved the issue
[02:09] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus: we spoke yesterday, but i don't think it was about flash
[02:09] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus: YAY!
[02:09] <ign0ramus> :)
[02:10]  * Walzmyn thinks flash is an evil construct of devious demons
[02:10] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, if you ever have an issue where some flash sites load and some don't, check permissions on ~/.macromedia of all things
[02:10]  * ign0ramus is certain it is
[02:10] <burn_> yeeeeeeeeeeey fixer trash bin issue :d
[02:10] <Walzmyn> i do notice that some sites don't load in
[02:11] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, gotta run... was just checking in before i left the house and saw you here
[02:11] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus: what am i checking the permissions on?
[02:12] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, the directory ~/.macromedia
[02:12] <Walzmyn> the /,macromedia directory itself?
[02:12] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus: what should it be set to?
[02:12] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, mine was not writable, and some flash videos wouldn't load (but youtube and others did) :/
[02:12] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, i have mine at 775
[02:12] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, gotta run dude
[02:43] <maicuong> ,l
[03:02] <h3nchm3n81> I have a Gateway M675 running kubuntu 9.04 and i cannot seem to turn on my wireless.  Any suggestions?
[03:04] <h3nchm3n81> exit
[03:06] <luis_> hola alguien sabe que programa puedo usar para imprimir fotos en ubuntu pero que imprima la fecha y la hora tambien
[03:07] <Ursinha> luis_, !es
[03:07] <Ursinha> errr
[03:07] <Ursinha> !es | luis_
[03:07] <Ursinha> :)
[03:07] <Ursinha> sorry
[03:07] <FloodBotK1> Ursinha: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:07] <Ursinha> lol
[03:08] <luis_> en el canal es no me ayudan
[03:08] <luis_> hola alguien sabe que programa puedo usar para imprimir fotos en ubuntu pero que imprima la fecha y la hora tambien
[03:08] <Ursinha> luis_, but this channel is english only, sorry :( - and I don't speak Spanish
[03:09] <luis_> ok
[03:45] <KDesk> hi
[03:45] <Elone> something wrong with the linux kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.15?it is show blocked in my update
[03:45] <fireball> hey all, my user permissions are "wrong", please advise. . . upon start up i receive a message about my .dmrc file being ignored, need 644 permissions and users $home folder not writable by others. . .
[03:45] <gunslinger_> wew
[03:45] <fireball> i think this upsetting my kde updater too
[03:45] <KDesk> do you know where could I get firefox 3.5 for 64 bit? in a deb if possible.
[03:46] <Dragnslcr> Elone- for some reason, KPackageKit is showing it as blocked because of dependencies. You can install the updates by running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:49] <Elone> oh
[03:54] <dksoba88> any recommendations for a good torrent client?
[03:54] <Elone> ktorrent is good XD
[03:54] <Elone> or utorrent  with wine
[03:55] <dksoba88> ic
[03:55] <dksoba88> thanks
[04:23] <wolexzo> apart form kde, any difference btw ubuntu and kubuntu?
[04:37] <Zorael> bundled packages, basically (which includes KDE/GNOME). Ubuntu uses PulseAudio, Kubuntu doesn't. Ubuntu comes with Firefox, Kubuntu doesn't. etc
[04:37] <dksoba88> I'm trying to get Amarok to work right but I can't seem to get my mp3's to play on there
[04:37] <dksoba88> it just skips through the whole playlist but no error messages
[04:38] <dksoba88> I think I have the right mp3 codecs installed and whatnot though
[04:39] <Serpardum> How do I stop ktorrent from starting when kubuntu starts?
[04:40] <Zorael> Serpardum: check Session Manager in System Settings, see if it's loading a previously saved session
[04:41] <Zorael> just set it to start with an empty one
[04:42] <Serpardum> I do not see a "Session Manger"
[04:42] <Serpardum> under Configure KTorrent
[04:43] <Serpardum> Hmm.. I stopped the download I had, maybe that will work
[04:46] <Zorael> Serpardum: No, KDE's system settings, then Session Manager
[04:46] <gunslinger_> halohalokaka
[04:46] <Zorael> Serpardum: Advanced tab
[05:25] <Serpardum> what was that command to see how much disk space is left?  I thought it was fs.. maybe sf?
[05:25] <Serpardum> bah, can't remember it
[05:25] <jedix> df
[05:26] <Serpardum> thanks
[05:31] <galvao> Greetings. Using Kubuntu 9.04 here. I'm wondering why I can't apply the new kernel updates? KDE Control Module shows these 4 updates as "Blocked"
[05:50] <peabody> yo
[06:04] <phma> yoyo
[06:32] <estres> hi there
[06:32] <estres> I have this problem:
[06:32] <estres> I can not connect my computer from KDE to internet
[06:32] <estres> I am doing it from GNOME
[06:32] <estres> any ideas on how to solve this one?
[06:33] <bazhang> estres, open a konsole and type ifconfig
[06:34] <estres> bazhang: wait a minute
[06:35] <netdaemon> if it's a hidden network i find a sudo iwlist wlan0 scan essid yourEssid works
[06:35] <estres> ok I have done it
[06:35] <netdaemon> may have to do that a few times
[06:35] <bazhang> estres, you see eth0 wlan0 and the like?
[06:35] <estres> I see eth0 eth1 lo
[06:36] <bazhang> estres, you trying to connect via ethernet or wireless
[06:36] <estres>  ethernet
[06:36] <estres> I am conected right now by ethernet
[06:36] <estres> but gnome
[06:36] <bazhang> sudo dhclient eth0  estres
[06:37] <bazhang> in KDE via Konsole
[06:37] <estres> I do not know why is not working in KDE
[06:37] <estres> same computer but in KDE no conection
[06:37] <bazhang> it will work in KDE if it works in GNOME via cmd line
[06:37] <estres> I think I did wrong button in kwallet
[06:38] <bazhang> could be
[06:38] <estres> how can I initialize this one or disble kwallet
[06:38] <estres> because I do not think is a configuration proble
[06:38] <estres> m
[06:38] <estres> ??
[06:40] <estres> bazhang: do you think if I delete .kde may be it can solve my problem?
[06:41] <bazhang> estres, no
[06:41] <estres> bazhang: ok
[06:41] <estres> bazhang: please give some ideas to try
[06:42] <bazhang> estres, first see if the command works under KDE, worry about kwallet in a bit
[06:43] <estres> ok I come back from KDE in a few minuts
[06:47] <bazhang> estres, success? now in KDE?
[06:47] <estres> bazhang: yeah...
[06:47] <estres> ;)
[06:47] <estres> thank you
[06:47] <bazhang> nice :)
[06:47] <estres> is working fine now
[06:47] <estres> I will try wireless now
[06:48] <bazhang> let me get you a guide for cli (wireless) for future reference :)
[06:48] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 estres
[06:48] <bazhang> whoops
[06:49] <netdaemon> i have a question about the repos, why are the kde bugfix releases (kde 4.2.x) not in the main repos?
[06:49] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 estres
[06:49] <estres> bazhang: wireless is working good
[06:49] <estres> bazhang: ok thank you
[06:49] <netdaemon> i can understand not wanting 4.3 hitting the main repos in the middle of jaunty's run, but a bugfix release :S
[06:57] <TheJBird> \
[07:27] <coz_> guys where is the menu editor in kde4 ?
[07:28] <coz_> sorry about that
[07:40] <coz_> hey guys how to get svg files to preview? in dolphin
[08:36] <Freewolf> hey all
[08:36] <Freewolf> is there anybody willing to help with kmyfirewall configuration?
[08:47] <ct529> I am using top on a server, and it returns the memory nearly all used .... but it is not, no process is actually using it ....
[08:47] <coz_> is there a way to make dolphin preview svg images?
[08:51] <hitman> как открыть порт на kubunte?
[09:26] <ultralaser> how do i remove kde 4 and get 3 back
[09:27] <ultralaser> can anyone tell me how to get kde3 back and drop kde4
[09:29] <ultralaser> BTW the answer was, Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
[09:29] <ultralaser> your welcome, stockholm
[09:34] <TMKCodes> Hey where i can download kubuntu 8.10
[09:34] <TMKCodes> ?
[09:35] <TMKCodes> i found :)
[09:46] <Mamarok> TMKCodes: it is Alpha 2, so be careful...
[09:46] <TMKCodes> :P
[09:47] <TMKCodes> TMKCodes: Damn that i had to try fedora 11 and broke my ubuntu8.10/KDE4.2 system :(
[10:18] <ahmad> hi
[10:19] <ahmad> do u herme
[10:50] <Matisse> hi
[10:50] <Matisse> how do I find out, if my new sata hd is recognized?
[10:50] <Matisse> it has no filesystem on it
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Matisse: lsscsi
[10:52] <shadeslayer> !info lsscsi | Matisse
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Matisse: you need to install it via apt-get first :)
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Matisse: or theres another method...remove the drive and plug it back in and type dmesg | tail in a terminal and see if its recognised there
[10:55] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: not needed
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hmm ?
[10:56] <Tm_T> and you NEVER hotswap drives unless you know what you're doing
[10:56] <Matisse> shadeslayer, dmesg also showed something without replugging
[10:56] <Matisse> and lsscsi also worked, thx
[10:56] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: no point replugging anyway, you can grep the information from dmesg
[10:57] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ok,ill remember that
[11:14] <Matisse> the update tool always shows "Changes:The list of changes is not available". Same problem for gnome, but there a update / reinstall solved the prob. How do I solve it in kde?
[11:20] <shadeslayer> Matisse: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:22] <Matisse> shadeslayer, thought I was already on the newest version...
[11:22] <Matisse> Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu4
[11:22] <shadeslayer> 4.3 ??
[11:24] <shadeslayer> Matisse: its usually used for kernel upgrade (via backports) or for KDE upgrades from 4.2 to 4.2.4 and similar
[11:24] <bug2783> hi all
[11:25] <shadeslayer> !hi | bug2783
[11:25] <bug2783> i have a problem with cpu temperature that with kde is more high that with gnome
[11:25] <bug2783> about 15 degrees up
[11:26] <giovanni> c'è qualche italiano???
[11:26] <shadeslayer> !it giovanni
[11:26] <shadeslayer> !it| giovanni
[11:27] <Zensursula> Hi, just a question: what is the "state of the art" WebDev Package for Kubuntu?
[11:27] <shadeslayer> bug2783: thats alot...did you try changing the power management to power save?
[11:27] <Zensursula> when I try to install Quanta, it comes with old stuff???
[11:28] <shadeslayer> bug2783: or tinker with the power settings and see if it works
[11:28] <phma> shadeslayer: what happens if someone comes in here talking Hindi?
[11:28] <shadeslayer> !in | phma
[11:28] <shadeslayer> phma: im a india
[11:28] <shadeslayer> *india
[11:28] <shadeslayer> *indian
[11:29] <bug2783> shadeslayer: i tried to change from performance to powersave
[11:29] <bug2783> but nothing change in the temperature
[11:29] <phma> ah! I thought they were named by languages
[11:30] <Jimi_Neutral> hi all, i just attatched a hdd as a salve cause i need to get something off it, this i the first time i have used the kde desktop can anyone tell me how i can see this drive graphically
[11:31] <Matisse> shadeslayer, isn't dist-upgrade for upgrading kubuntu (and not just only kde)
[11:31] <shadeslayer> Jimi_Neutral: open dolphin
[11:31] <shadeslayer> Matisse: that too apart from other things
[11:32] <Matisse> I thought it's only used if a new version of (k)ubuntu is released...
[11:32] <Jimi_Neutral> shadeslayer, doplphin open
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Jimi_Neutral: it should be on the left hand side
[11:32] <Jimi_Neutral> shadeslayer, i got home, netowrk, root, trash
[11:33] <Jimi_Neutral> shadeslayer, sorry im telling a lie, its not a slave, its on itw own bus
[11:33] <Jimi_Neutral> thats how i was told to set it up cause it has a problem
[11:34] <bug2783> anyone use cpufreqd instead power manager?
[11:34] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, start a shell,  then lsscsi
[11:34] <shadeslayer> Jimi_Neutral: i think if you attach any removable storage media it should show up on dophin or atleast the devices plugged in plasmoid
[11:34] <Matisse> shadeslayer, doesnt sound like a removable media...
[11:35] <Jimi_Neutral> its not, its an ide hdd
[11:35] <shadeslayer> Jimi_Neutral: no idea then....
[11:35] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, start a shell,  then lsscsi
[11:35] <Matisse> then maybe the given command for installing
[11:35] <Jimi_Neutral> ok installing lsscsi now
[11:36] <Matisse> lsscsi for finding out the /dev/...
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Matisse: that can be found by sudo fdisk -l
[11:36] <bug2783> damn
[11:36] <Jimi_Neutral> you are talking to a linux newb by the way, sorry
[11:37] <shadeslayer> Jimi_Neutral: install lsscsi and then sudo fdisk -l
[11:38] <Jimi_Neutral> hmm no its now showing it
[11:38] <Jimi_Neutral> not
[11:38] <Jimi_Neutral> wth is going on
[11:38] <Jimi_Neutral> you think it is cause it is on its own bus rather than being set up as a slave on the same ribbon?
[11:39] <Matisse> wont work if not mounted
[11:39] <Jimi_Neutral> ?
[11:39] <Matisse> lsscsi
[11:40] <Matisse> the fdisk command wont work if not mounted so use lsscsi
[11:40] <Jimi_Neutral> and what exactly do i do with lsscsi
[11:40] <Matisse> showing all plugged devices like hd and so
[11:40] <Matisse> every ide / ata stuff
[11:41] <sugalo> hi; how can i use gwenview's previous and next buttons with my keyboard arrows ?
[11:41] <Jimi_Neutral> aye, an i said, its showing the ATA disk the cdrom and for some reason its showing dvdram whatever that means
[11:41] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, not both disks?
[11:41] <sugalo> hm there is configure shortcuts button it's helpful
[11:42] <Jimi_Neutral> the disk with th stuff i need to get off is plugged into the cdrom ide slot and the cdrom is on as a slave cause thats how this guy tol me to set it up
[11:42] <Matisse> thats not important
[11:42] <Jimi_Neutral> well its not showing the other disk anyway
[11:42] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, are there 2 harddisk?
[11:42] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, yes
[11:42] <Matisse> thats bad
[11:43] <Jimi_Neutral> it showed up fine when i plugged it in as an external into a windows machine
[11:43] <Jimi_Neutral> thru usb
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Jimi_Neutral: then do the same for kubuntu
[11:43] <Jimi_Neutral> but as i say when i tryied to copy i got an I/O error, thats why this guy told me to do it on a linux box and take a snapshot, then take the file off the good hdd
[11:43] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, I mean does lsscsi  show 2 disks?
[11:44] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, no it doesnt
[11:44] <Matisse> well, then I got no idea. Ask the guy again, how a snapshot is done :) maybe you dont need to mount it or something...
[11:45] <Jimi_Neutral> i been trying to get hold of him
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Jimi_Neutral: have a look at dmesg and see if its properly detected there
[11:45] <Jimi_Neutral> ut hes not answering..i dont blame him
[11:45] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, type: dmesg | grep sd
[11:46] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, how do i do that line
[11:51] <Matisse> in a shell
[11:52] <Matisse> like before
[11:52] <Jimi_Neutral> no the vertical line
[11:52] <Jimi_Neutral> between dmesg and grep
[11:53] <kasmas> sallam
[11:53] <kasmas> any urdu speaker here
[11:53] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral,  i do it with "Alt Gr" + "<"
[11:53] <kasmas> jimi
[11:53] <Jimi_Neutral> yes
[11:53] <kasmas> can u help out
[11:53] <Jimi_Neutral> im nt a mind reader so i dont know
[11:53] <kasmas> my browsing is not working
[11:54] <kasmas> bcaz i m using cable net with beyond isa server
[11:54] <phma> on my keyboard it's shift backslash | what's your layout
[11:54] <kasmas> i don't where to download isa client for kubuntu
[11:54] <Jimi_Neutral> comman not found
[11:54] <Jimi_Neutral> i found it, but the command doesnt work
[11:54] <kasmas> qwerty is my keyboard layout
[11:55] <Jimi_Neutral> i dont know kasmas, sorry i cant help u there
[11:56] <phma> What happens? I get lines like "[   36.700000] sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda"
[11:56] <kasmas> ok
[11:56] <kasmas> is ur web browsing working on kubuntu ?
[11:57] <Jimi_Neutral> yes
[11:57] <kasmas> so how it work ?
[11:58] <kasmas> here i have isa client but it works only on windows
[11:59] <kasmas> hello
[12:00] <shadeslayer> kasmas: isa client??
[12:00] <shadeslayer> kasmas: something like that 24 hour client thing?
[12:00] <kasmas> yes plz
[12:01] <kasmas> i m beyond isa client
[12:01] <kasmas> here on kubuntu i don't know how to run isa
[12:01] <shadeslayer> kasmas: well as i remember 1)there is no such client for kubuntu and 2) you can open konqueror and open any site and you will be directed to the login page which acts as a isa client
[12:02] <kasmas> yes you r  right
[12:03] <shadeslayer> kasmas: see...problem solved...have fun :)
[12:03] <shadeslayer> bye all...
[12:04] <kasmas> but here is giving error that u do not have isa connected
[12:06] <kasmas> can any help how to connect browsing on kubuntu
[12:06] <kasmas> i m totally new in this OS
[12:08] <Mamarok> kasmas: sorry, I don't even know what isa is
[12:08] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, just mark the    |  with your mouse and middle-mouse click into the shell
[12:09] <Mamarok> kasmas: is this some sort of firewall or similar?
[12:09] <kasmas> yes
[12:10] <mni> HI all
[12:10] <kasmas> here is a internet provider he has isa server .through he manage ..and provide us net
[12:10] <Mamarok> kasmas: well, Linux uses it's own firewall application
[12:10] <mni> how can i connect kubuntu with internet
[12:11] <mni> how can i connect kubuntu with internet?
[12:11] <Mamarok> kasmas: so you actually want to connect to their network, hence you have a network question, right?
[12:11] <kasmas> mni here is also problem with me same
[12:11] <Mamarok> mni: you need to setup your internet connection first I think
[12:12] <kasmas> look i am talking to u offcource it is on internet ..but browsing is not working
[12:12] <Mamarok> kasmas: what broser are you using?
[12:12] <kasmas> konqueror
[12:12] <mni> yes of course likewise me
[12:12] <mni> me too konquree
[12:13] <kasmas> here is giving some problem with proxies script or any thing related with proxy setting
[12:13] <mni> yes same as me
[12:13] <Mamarok> kasmas: well, the proxy settings are doen in systemsettings -> Network
[12:13] <Mamarok> not in the browser
[12:13] <Mamarok> done*
[12:13] <kasmas> can u tell me how to set from there
[12:14] <Mamarok> kasmas: open that tool, you will see by yourself, I don't have your proxy settings, you need to enter those there yourself
[12:14] <kasmas> i know my server proxy
[12:14] <mni> kasmas: pls help me with e.g of proxy settings
[12:14] <kasmas> it is web:8080
[12:14] <kasmas> mni wait i m trying to solve
[12:15] <mni> ok
[12:15] <Mamarok> mni, kasmas both, just read what is written in the Network Settings, it's self explaining
[12:15] <mni> am waching:)
[12:15] <kasmas> there some option that say
[12:15] <kasmas> direct connect to internet
[12:15] <kasmas> use manually proxies
[12:15] <Mamarok> well, obviously that's not the one...
[12:16] <kasmas> and other url proxy
[12:16] <Mamarok> kasmas: how did you setup your proxy in WIndows then? It's the same way here
[12:16] <kasmas> yes offcourse here i am did same was there ..but it is not working
[12:16] <Mamarok> you need to either ask it to detect your proxy settings automatically, or enter the proxy details
[12:17] <kasmas> automatically is not working ..and manually i m filling but nothing is happining
[12:17] <Mamarok> doesn't your ISP provide a proxy setting URL?
[12:17] <Mamarok> kasmas: you need to reconnect your lan after the settings are done
[12:17] <kasmas> The page cannot be displayed
[12:17] <kasmas>   Explanation: There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed.
[12:18] <kasmas>
[12:18] <kasmas> Try the following:
[12:18] <kasmas> Refresh page: Search for the page again by clicking the Refresh button. The timeout may have occurred due to Internet congestion.
[12:18] <kasmas> Check spelling: Check that you typed the Web page address correctly. The address may have been mistyped.
[12:18] <kasmas> Access from a link: If there is a link to the page you are looking for, try accessing the page from that link.
[12:18] <kasmas> Technical Information (for support personnel)
[12:18] <FloodBotK1> kasmas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:18] <Mamarok> kasmas: please, use the pastebin for more than 3 lines!
[12:18] <Mamarok> !paste | kasmas
[12:19] <kasmas> i think no one can help on kubuntu
[12:19] <kasmas> i change my OS
[12:20] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, im on a diff pc but i did the line anyway and the command dint work
[12:20] <Mamarok> kasmas: come on, you loose patience very fast :)
[12:20] <Mamarok> kasmas: see with #ubuntu, there are more eyes there, and don't forget we are all volunteeres here
[12:21] <kasmas> dear i already searched lot of about this
[12:21] <kasmas> but net is beyond on isa server
[12:21] <Mamarok> kasmas: well, you are here since not more than 15 minutes...
[12:21] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, what did it say?
[12:21] <sugalo> kasmas: you are connected on internet and you can talk on irc but you can't browse ?
[12:22] <kasmas> yes but after some days i cut out my this harddisk which has kubuntu installed  bcaz of browsing is not working
[12:22] <kasmas> yes
[12:22] <Mamarok> kasmas: you need to be patient or get payed support then :/
[12:22] <kasmas> sugalo u r8
[12:22] <sugalo> kasmas: hm .. who is your ISP ?
[12:22] <sugalo> what* (?)
[12:22] <bazhang> sounds like dns not isa-relate
[12:23] <kasmas> <IP_ADDRESS> here is my server ip
[12:23] <sugalo> kasmas: no i'm asking the name of your provider
[12:23] <sugalo> (i had a similar problem once i
[12:23] <kasmas> PTCL
[12:23] <sugalo> it was becoming from my ISP)
[12:23] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, bash:   sd: command not found
[12:23] <kasmas> im  4rm pakistan
[12:24] <sugalo> hm ok
[12:24] <sugalo> kasmas: and can you 'ping' ?
[12:24] <sugalo> kasmas: for instance 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>'
[12:25] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, you have to put that in one line
[12:25] <DasDee> Hi guys. new to kubuntu & having probs wit internet conn
[12:25] <Matisse> dmesg | grep sd
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> DasDee: ask and the room will reply if it can
[12:26] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, i did
[12:26] <DasDee> i can't connect to both the LAN & internet using both the Ethernet & wireless
[12:26] <DasDee> pls i ll b nidin a step by step demo if possible
[12:27] <bazhang> DasDee, open a konsole
[12:27] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, but then that error message wouldnt come. "sd" is a input for grep and not a command
[12:27] <DasDee> sugalo, i dont even know to do d pingin. i am a newbie
[12:28] <sugalo> DasDee: so you are kasmas ?
[12:28] <kasmas> yes
[12:28] <sugalo> DasDee: open Konsole and type 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' and give us the output
[12:28] <kasmas> that ip is not pinging
[12:29] <kasmas> ok can any 1 send me software for playing audio and video files
[12:29] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, still the error message?
[12:30] <bazhang> kubuntu-restricted-extras kasmas
[12:30] <kasmas> ok
[12:30] <kasmas> but i don;t have any software which can play audio or video file
[12:30] <bazhang> kasmas, sure you do
[12:31] <bazhang> kasmas, this is Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[12:31] <kasmas> kubuntu
[12:31] <kasmas> and my browsing is not working
[12:31] <sugalo> you can't ping google that's weird
[12:31] <bazhang> kasmas, open a konsole and type sudo apt-get update  <--what does that return
[12:32] <kasmas> yes it is pinging
[12:33] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, i am putting in dmesg grep | sd and it is saying bash: sd: command not found
[12:33] <sugalo> kasmas: ok; what about 'ping www.google.com' ?
[12:33] <bazhang> kasmas, run the command above
[12:33] <kasmas> i think this Os is much harder then xp
[12:33] <sugalo> Jimi_Neutral: put the pipe ( '|' ) at the right place :)
[12:33] <kasmas> all things r corrent but i don;t know i to set proxy for browsing
[12:34] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, the | is at the wrong position
[12:34] <bazhang> kasmas, thought you wanted to play video and audio?
[12:34] <kasmas> yes
[12:34] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, so I have to do a reboot now...
[12:34] <bazhang> then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras (from the konsole)
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: whats the difference between ubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:36] <digdeep> kasmas: System -> System Settings -> Proxy
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> and for than matter xubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:36] <bazhang> kasmas, did you run the command or not?
[12:36] <kasmas> yes
[12:36] <kasmas> here is saying
[12:36] <bazhang> ActionParsnip, gstreamer vs libxine I would imagine for starter
[12:36] <kasmas> coud not find package
[12:37] <Jimi_Neutral> matisse: ok done that, sorry, doing too many things at once
[12:37] <DasDee> sori guys, i am starting the other sys wit kubuntu
[12:37] <bazhang> kasmas, is this a livecd, or have you installed kubuntu
[12:37] <kasmas> i installed
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: cool, thought it was jut a comfortable name etc
[12:37] <kasmas> burned a cd
[12:37] <bazhang> DasDee, = kasmas ??
[12:38] <bazhang> kasmas, paste.ubuntu.com with your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:38] <bazhang> kasmas, do NOT paste here.
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> !paste
[12:40] <kasmas> can i update kubuntu 8.04 to 9.04 ?
[12:41] <bazhang> kasmas, you are not following through on what you are asking
[12:41] <bazhang> kasmas, please finish the first steps (installing audio and video codecs)
[12:42] <kasmas> yes bazhang
[12:42] <kasmas> where to download codec ?
[12:43] <bazhang> kasmas, I told you
[12:43] <kasmas> it say could't find packages
[12:43] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras <<<---- kasmas
[12:44] <bazhang> kasmas, in that case paste.ubuntu.com /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:44] <kasmas> where to put this command     paste.ubuntu.com /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:45] <bazhang> kasmas, open a konsole
[12:45] <kasmas> yes
[12:45] <kasmas> then
[12:45] <kasmas> than
[12:46] <kasmas> hi ahmad
[12:46] <kasmas> do u speak urdu ?
[12:46] <bazhang> in konsole type: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:47] <kasmas> yes
[12:48] <bazhang> then paste.ubuntu.com (in a browser) and paste that there <<<-- give us the resulting link kasmas
[12:49] <kasmas> but my browsing is opening any site
[12:49] <bazhang> kasmas, okay, then in a console type ifconfig
[12:50] <bazhang> kasmas, and do you see eth0 wlan0 lo etc ?
[12:50] <kasmas> yes
[12:50] <DasDee> error msg after pinging "could not open loc file.permission denied"
[12:52] <kasmas> bazhang can i invite u in my pc ?
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: why not use pastebinit
[12:53] <DasDee> bazhang i too see the messages now
[12:53] <DasDee> wat next pls ?
[12:54] <DasDee> bazhang, but no error msgs
[12:54] <bazhang> kasmas, ping www.google.com
[12:55] <kasmas> yes it is pingin
[12:55] <bazhang> kasmas, now ctrl c
[12:55] <kasmas> yes than
[12:56] <DasDee> bazhang: after pingin google.com, error msg command not found
[12:56] <bazhang> sudo apt-get update kasmas
[12:56] <kasmas> in konsole ?
[12:56] <bazhang> Yes
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> ore systems if they are available
[12:57] <kasmas> The update command takes no arguments     this is giving
[12:57] <kasmas> bazhang do u use windows?
[12:57] <bazhang> kasmas, are you running these commands on a windows machine?
[12:57] <kasmas> no dear
[12:58] <kasmas> i m running these commands on kubuntu konsole
[12:58] <kasmas> i was just asking do u use windows xp or vista ?
[12:58] <kasmas> r u newbie in kubuntu  ?
[12:58] <bazhang> kasmas, sudo apt-get update   <--- just like that
[12:59] <kasmas> i think this command is working
[13:00] <kasmas> but the ISA SERVER is denied
[13:00] <kasmas> The ISA Server denied the specified Uniform Resource Locator (URL)
[13:01] <bazhang> kasmas, you are accessing the internet from home, school office or where
[13:01] <kasmas> home
[13:01] <bazhang> what is ISA server?
[13:01] <cortex_sk> :D i hope "isa server" is not this http://www.microsoft.com/forefront/edgesecurity/isaserver/en/us/default.aspx
[13:02] <kasmas> like there r network servers
[13:03] <kasmas> and individual windows server
[13:03] <bazhang> no idea about windows servers, isa server etc
[13:03] <kasmas> ok thank u very much bazhang
[13:03] <kasmas> u tried lot of help
[13:04] <kasmas> have u not ever use windows  ???????????????
[13:04] <bazhang> perhaps they can help with ISA server issues in ##windows
[13:04] <bazhang> never touched it myself, except to fix broken ones
[13:05] <kasmas> ok
[13:05] <kasmas> can u not send me here some software packages ?
[13:05] <kasmas> i m 21 years old ..and u ? bazhang
[13:05] <Tm_T> !ot | kasmas
[13:05] <kasmas> this is really nice to talk with u
[13:07] <kasmas> there is no 1 replaying
[13:08] <bazhang> kasmas, this channel is for support ONLY ; chat in #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:09] <kasmas> ok
[13:09] <kasmas> bazhang ur asl ?
[13:10] <bazhang> kasmas, not here, and not on freenode really, you can also chat in #defocus
[13:11] <ziroday> kasmas: could you stop PM'ing me please
[13:12] <kasmas> ok
[13:12] <bazhang> kasmas, /join #defocus
[13:14] <kasmas> i think no buddy have good information w
[13:15] <kasmas> i thought Kubuntu will be very nice ..but when user don;t know any thing about it so how can i solve this
[13:17] <kasmas> s
[13:17] <kasmas> ds
[13:17] <kasmas> fs
[13:17] <kasmas> df
[13:17] <kasmas> ds
[13:17] <FloodBotK1> kasmas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:17] <kasmas> fdsf
[13:17] <bazhang> kasmas, stop that
[13:21] <Leo24Mu> Good afternoon :D
[13:23] <Leo24Mu> i know ill look so noob, but... how can i install flash player on kubuntu 9.04?
[13:23] <Leo24Mu> Im totally lost :S
[13:23] <bazhang> !flash | Leo24Mu
[13:24] <kasmas> gh'g
[13:24] <kasmas> h'
[13:24] <Leo24Mu> thanks ubottu
[13:24] <Leo24Mu> ill try now
[13:24] <bazhang> kasmas, this is abdullah ?
[13:24] <kasmas> g'h
[13:24] <kasmas> g'h
[13:24] <kasmas> g'h
[13:24] <FloodBotK1> kasmas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:24] <Leo24Mu> its my first time on linux :p
[13:25] <kasmas> g'h
[13:25] <kasmas> gh'
[13:25] <kasmas> gh'g
[13:25] <bazhang> kasmas, stop
[13:25] <kasmas> h'
[13:25] <FloodBotK1> kasmas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:25] <kasmas> gh'
[13:25] <kasmas> g'h
[13:25] <kasmas> gh'
[13:25] <kasmas> gh'g
[13:25] <FloodBotK1> kasmas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:25] <kasmas> 'h
[13:25] <kasmas> gh'
[13:25] <bazhang> !ops | kasmas
[13:26] <Leo24Mu> ubottu:
[13:26] <Leo24Mu> another question for u plz
[13:26] <kasmas> h'
[13:26] <Pici> Leo24Mu: ubottu is a bot, it cannot respond.
[13:26] <bazhang> Leo24Mu, did you check the link ?
[13:26] <Leo24Mu> jajaja
[13:26] <Leo24Mu> Yes, i checked the link
[13:27] <Leo24Mu> But i have a problem, im using firefox, so apt command is not associated
[13:27] <Leo24Mu> :S
[13:28] <Leo24Mu> How can i associate it to an app? :S
[13:29] <johnflux> Hey all
[13:29] <johnflux> how do I install ati drivers?
[13:29] <claydoh> !fglrx
[13:30] <johnflux> hmm, is this out of date now:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI/  ?
[13:30] <claydoh> johnflux: but first make sure your card is supported by the binary driver
[13:30] <Leo24Mu> claydoh: can you help me, please?
[13:31] <grandi> how do I kill the system sounds in kubuntu 09.04
[13:31] <johnflux> claydoh, I can't find the restricted manager in 9.04
[13:31] <johnflux> claydoh, the instructions on that page are a year out of date
[13:31] <claydoh> john but still valid
[13:32] <johnflux> claydoh,  it says:
[13:32] <johnflux> Enable accelerated the accelerated ATI graphics driver in the restricted-manager, then do:
[13:32] <johnflux> claydoh, how do I do that?
[13:33] <claydoh> try under system - hardware drivers from the k-menu
[13:34] <claydoh> if that is not working, then install package xorg-driver-fglrx
[13:34] <johnflux> ah, hardware drivers
[13:34] <johnflux> I'll update that wiki page
[13:34] <claydoh> johnflux: what video card? many are not suppordted bt the latest driver
[13:35] <claydoh> Leo24Mu: what's up?
[13:35] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, back
[13:36] <Leo24Mu> claydoh:  im talking to a spanish guy on another kubuntu channel ^^ thanks anyway
[13:40] <johnflux> claydoh, 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[13:40] <johnflux> claydoh, the hardware installer thing doesn't mention any option about installing a driver for this
[13:40] <johnflux> claydoh, so maybe it isn't supported
[13:41] <claydoh> it may not be supported by the new driver
[13:41]  * claydoh checks
[13:43] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, sorry work called
[13:45] <Matisse> Jimi_Neutral, do you want to try further?
[13:46] <johnflux> claydoh, "I have radeon xpress x1250 in a laptop which is 1200 series chipset; I read in the fourums that this chipset has been "blacklisted" due to a bug that causes Ubuntu to crash if enhanced graphics are enabled"
[13:46] <johnflux> claydoh, from ubuntuforums
[13:47] <claydoh> prob true, i waswading through a seasrch and finding that out
[13:47] <Jimi_Neutral> Matisse, i wil have to leave it for a minute, got loads going on with sorting out new smart phones for our reps but ty, i might come back to you laters
[13:48] <Matisse> Dont know how long I'm going to stay here
[13:48] <Matisse> just ask, if you have time
[13:49] <claydoh> johnflux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[13:50] <claydoh> has some tweaks you can try to xorg, and some of the links at the bottom have some as well
[13:50] <Jimi_Neutral> ok ty matisse
[13:50] <claydoh> johnflux: but these are more advanced things
[13:55] <ahox> Hi, is there something like kprof (gui for gprof) for kde4?
[13:56] <bazhang> what is gprof
[13:56] <ahox> a profiler
[13:56] <bazhang> !info gprof
[13:57] <ahox> !info kprof
[13:59] <bazhang> ahox, seems that you have to use that with kde4
[13:59] <ahox> kprof crashes, and I haven't figured out yet, why
[13:59] <bazhang> ahox, not everything got the kde4-ization
[14:06] <libervisco> well KDE 4.3 still has display issues (plasma leaving trails, not as well performing as I expected)
[14:07] <libervisco> and I still don't get why does it take a second for quassel to send a message when it takes a milisecond in xchat.. sluggishness is the sole reason I prefer xchat to quassel
[14:32] <omeoww> Hi there.
[14:32] <omeoww> I can't seem to connect to a wireless network that has a WEP key.
[14:32] <omeoww> If I reboot to Windows, I am able to connect just fine.
[14:33] <omeoww> Does anyone know a fix to the problem? I googled a bit, but I'm not sure what to do.
[14:33] <Guest66237> привет пиплы!
[14:34] <omeoww> Connecting to a router that uses a WPA key seems to work fine on Linux. I know WPA's better, but the company I work for refuses to change it. (And really, it should just work. =P)
[14:37] <nikitis> I need help.  I'm trying to tell ventrilo to use my capture card, but instead it only sees playback for capture.  how can i remap
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[14:44] <cw5411> is there anyway to add a protected nfs share to fstab ?
[14:50] <nikitis> Anyone?
[14:53] <cw5411> does anyone come here to talk?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> cw5411, yes, to help you fix a problem, if we know the answer, when you ask a question :)
[14:56] <claydoh> cw5411: this is a support channel, general chat can be found in #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:57] <cw5411> I asked a question
[14:57] <BluesKaj> nikitis, you running a wine app , maybe the folks at #wine can help
[14:58] <nikitis> BlueKaj well it's wine yes, but it's my sound card configuration that is causing it
[14:58] <BluesKaj> cw5411, yes, if we know the answer
[14:58] <cw5411> I asked about mounting a protected nfs share in fstab. Then I noticed that I got no reply, and that nobody was talking at all
[14:58] <BluesKaj> nikitis,which soundcard ?
[14:58] <nikitis> The original Audigy
[14:59] <nikitis> I think the problem is, for playback and capture cards, it's listed as the same thing
[14:59] <nikitis> Audigy 1 [SB0090] (rev.3, serial:0x511102) (ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback)
[15:00] <nikitis> and it shows that for capture and playback cards
[15:00] <claydoh> cw5411: probably just because no one watching knows the answer right off
[15:00] <BluesKaj> nikitis, I see some patches for audigy in adept , check it out
[15:00] <nikitis> where is that?
[15:00] <nikitis> I'm new to kde
[15:01] <BlakHat_> hi guys, i just installed kubuntu 9.04 inside my windows 7 c:\ drive. does anyone know how i can start it?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> the adept package manager, or synaptic
[15:01] <nikitis> what's the package name?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> BlakHat_, you should have a grub menu at boot
[15:02] <BluesKaj> BlakHat_, did you use wubi ?
[15:03] <cw5411> claydoh: I have no problem with that. Wasn't trying to be smart.
[15:03] <cw5411> claydoh: just thought it odd that no one at the time was saying anything/
[15:03] <claydoh> cw5411: didn't think  you were :)
[15:03] <BlakHat_> BluesKaj, i dont for some reason
[15:03] <claydoh> cw5411: sometimes it just gets quiet :)
[15:04] <BlakHat_> yes
[15:04] <BluesKaj> nikitis, sudo apt get install adept
[15:04] <BluesKaj> errsudo apt-get install adept
[15:04] <cw5411> I guess so, I am knew to kubuntu and this channel I am from gentoo, and they talk talk talk :-D
[15:05] <BluesKaj> we talk when we're helping , otherwise just for chatting we use #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:05] <BlakHat_> i also went to right click my computer, properties, advanced settings, startup settings, and it only shows windows 7 as the only operating system installed
[15:05] <BlakHat_> for some reason i didnt get a grub menu and it didnt install into the boot manager...
[15:05] <BlakHat_> is that normal?
[15:05] <claydoh> cw5411: well it is usually busy enough in here
[15:07] <claydoh> BlakHat_: did you use Wubi to install it inside windows?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> BlakHat_, reboot, there should be a choice , it'll look like the windows boot menu manager , kubuntu should be listed
[15:07] <claydoh> BlakHat_: I don't think wubi would install grub, but somehow add an entry to the windows bootloader
[15:08] <BluesKaj> yes , I was mistaken about grub ...it just adds kubuntu to the boot manager list
[15:09] <BlakHat_> hmmm, actually none of those options are the case here
[15:09] <BlakHat_> BluesKaj claydoh when i restart my pc, it goes straight to windows
[15:09] <BluesKaj> I should know that..got juanty installed by wubi on our laptop
[15:10] <BlakHat_> oh i made a mistake
[15:10] <claydoh> BlakHat_: never used it  myself no windows here
[15:11] <BlakHat_> i am installing kubuntu 8.04 not 9.04
[15:11] <claydoh> the wubi may not support windows 7 maybe?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> wubi on W7 ? maybe wubi won't work on it
[15:11] <BlakHat_> i think that should b the case
[15:12] <BlakHat_> i was hoping there is a manual way to install it?
[15:12] <BlakHat_> install grub i mean
[15:12] <BluesKaj> BlakHat_, no matter what kubuntu version , don't think wubi has been written for W7 yet
[15:13] <BlakHat_> BluesKaj i guess so. anyway just wanted to know if this is normal, i guess not
[15:13] <BluesKaj> BlakHat_, I have W7 on one partion and Kubuntu on the other, dual boot is the best way to go
[15:14] <BluesKaj> err partition
[15:14] <BlakHat_> BluesKaj ya, i have 4 linuxes, quadruple booting :P but i was trying to install for a frend
[15:14] <BlakHat_> ok i will see you latter
[15:14] <BluesKaj> even for your friend
[15:15] <claydoh> BlakHat_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1021576
[15:15] <BlakHat_> he is new, jus wwants to mess around, doesnt want to commit
[15:15] <BluesKaj> you can always fix grub later , BlakHat_
[15:15] <BlakHat_> dont want to have to partition and shit
[15:15] <BlakHat_> claydoh THANKX
[15:16] <BluesKaj> sounds like your friend is serious bleeding edge by running W7
[15:16] <Pici> BlakHat_: Please mind your language in this channel.
[15:17] <BlakHat_> this is exactly it
[15:17] <KubuntuStudioLiv> I may be loged in using someone elses name?
[15:17] <BlakHat_> Pici, sori
[15:17] <BlakHat_> claydoh i am trying that solution now...
[15:20] <BluesKaj> claydoh, that's installing grub :)
[15:20] <claydoh> BluesKaj: hopefully it still works for BlakHat_ :)
[15:21] <claydoh> but entry #23 shows  to edit widows' boot menu
[15:21] <BluesKaj> claydoh, yeah hopefully  for sure :)
[15:22]  * claydoh has a complete lack of windows hacking skills anymore
[15:22] <BluesKaj> it's sort of a given , when installing windows after linux
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, i just keep windows around to help friends and family who fail to understand (or won't ) the benefits of Linux :)
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Wicd  found several more local wifi networks than the default network management ... I was able to piggy back on an unsecured network to get advice here on how configure the encryption on mine :)
[15:32] <ejm> ok, has anyone had problems with wesnoth lately? I'm using ubuntu 9.04 with ext4 32-bit
[15:33] <ejm> My problems are the sound/music just stopping, and also when I try to quit in fullscreen mode, it freezes up X.org
[15:36] <noaXess> hey folks
[15:37] <noaXess> sometimes i get no update information, so i need to manually run sudo apt-get update... the settings are to automaticaly check for updates each day..
[15:39] <noaXess> is there another settings i need to set, that updates are checked each day?
[15:40] <zer0o> hi guys how do u format a pen drive?
[15:41] <ziroday> zer0o: you can use qtparted
[15:41] <zer0o> gparted does not do the same?
[15:41] <zer0o> cuz it doesnt see it
[15:41] <zer0o> isnt there a command from the terminal?
[15:44] <ejm> apt-get update
[16:02] <libervisco> KDE 4.3 beta 2 causes more plasma artifacts than 4.2 :S
[16:05] <paolo_> que tal a todos los lunixeros....
[16:05] <paolo_> essto es lo mejor.......
[16:07] <paolo_> quien me dice un canal en espanol....
[16:07] <libervisco> #kubuntu-es
[16:07] <Dragnslcr> !es | paolo_
[16:08] <paolo_> gracias....
[16:09] <paolo_> el ingles no lo domino bien...
[16:13] <DaskreeCH> Does the restricted Manager work in Jackalope?
[16:17] <Zensursula> Hi, just a question: what is the "state of the art" WebDev Package for Kubuntu?
[16:17] <Zensursula> i try to use the KDEWebDev but there is no GUI to it in Jackalope.
[16:18] <Zensursula> Installing Quanta means uninstalling KDEWebDEV?
[16:18] <Zensursula> Any ideas?
[16:29] <jared555> any ideas why I can't ping server.local (local is my internal DNS setup) but I can ping server? they both work on the router, dns, and server machines
[16:30] <jared555> just not on this kubuntu machine
[16:30] <julian__> hallo
[16:30] <declan> Hello lovely kubuntuites!!
[16:30] <julian__> hi
[16:30] <julian__> what's up
[16:31] <declan> Having a problem with sound in flash/firefox. Seems common but i've tried some of the fixes i've seen from a google search and no luck.
[16:31] <noaXess> !raid
[16:31] <declan> most seem gnomecentric (based on pulse)
[16:31] <declan> if anyone can help, that'd be great
[16:33] <firecrotch> jared555:  DNS is probably not working right for your Kubuntu machine... "server" is working because its the netBIOS name of the machine
[16:35] <jared555> firecrotch: resolv.conf is identical on all the machines
[16:35] <jared555> the only issue I can see is the AUTHORITY section being returned is listing the root name servers, not the local one
[16:36] <noaXess> !dmraid
[16:36] <jared555> http://pastebin.com/d6c64da3
[16:36] <noaXess> !search dmraid
[16:37] <declan> Is anyone anygood with flash issues? Or sound issues I suppose? thanks
[16:37] <kazi> hi
[16:37] <DaskreeCH> declan: you have pulse installed?
[16:37] <jared555> note: router.local and server.local are separate machines, dns.local is a virtual machine on server.local
[16:37] <kazi> does  anybody knows how to create xmlsitemap for OsCommerce website?
[16:38] <declan> I do, yeah. Its default install. Is that good/bad?
[16:38] <declan> oh and thanks
[16:38] <firecrotch> jared555: Able to ping dns.local from the kubuntu machine?
[16:38] <jared555> nope
[16:39] <jared555> http://pastebin.com/d6c64da3 <<< that is what dig returns also
[16:39] <jared555> http://pastebin.com/d7c08e123 <<< that is the router's bind configuration
[16:39] <firecrotch> jared555:  What about by using the ip address of dns.local?
[16:40] <jared555> it doesn't actually return a response but I can connect to the machine
[16:40] <jared555> when I ping dns.local from the router it resolves the hostname and that is it
[16:40] <jared555> (which is how it is supposed to be)
[16:41] <declan> Damn. Sorry everyone. I feel really embarrassed. PCM was down low. turned it up and flash sound. For some reason everything else uses master except flash! Sorry !
[16:41] <jared555> the only machine that isn't *ubuntu* is the router
[16:41] <firecrotch> jared555: whats the router running on?
[16:41] <jared555> centos
[16:42] <jared555> it is still bind
[16:42] <jared555> firecrotch: , you happen to check out the pastebin links?
[16:43] <firecrotch> yes
[16:43] <jared555> notice anything there by any chance?
[16:44] <firecrotch> nope
[16:44] <jared555> http://pastebin.com/d630e2075 <<< one of the zone files
[16:57] <DarkSmoke> hey guyzz
[16:58] <DarkSmoke> im having a problem on kubuntu, its crashing sometimes
[16:58] <DarkSmoke> when i rm -rf something or compile :S
[16:58] <DarkSmoke> the screen just freezes
[17:00] <dendraya> exit
[17:01] <DarkSmoke> exit what
[17:02] <BluesKaj> DarkSmoke, that's an old irc cmnd for leaving a chat
[17:02] <DarkSmoke> ah ok
[17:07] <BluesKaj> DarkSmoke, no need to rm -rf  apps that have been instaaled with package mangers or apt ..only stubborn compiled apps that won't go away should be rm-rf'd
[17:08] <DarkSmoke> i know
[17:08] <DarkSmoke> i meant rm -rf something
[17:08] <DarkSmoke> like a folder or anything
[17:10] <BluesKaj> DarkSmoke, have you updated/upgraded lately ?
[17:11] <DarkSmoke> yes my system is always up to date
[17:22] <eheheh> any hits how to solve my printer problem? http://forums.linux-foundation.org/read.php?25,9640
[17:23] <eheheh> *hints
[17:31] <tumundoinfo1> alguien habla español aquí ?
[17:32] <Zokudu> whys it so quiet in here
[17:33] <tumundoinfo1> reflauta... alguien conteste
[17:33] <Tsangetsu> no se..
[17:33] <p_quarles> !es
[17:33] <tumundoinfo1> gracias
[17:33] <Tsangetsu> creo que son elaces para otros foros...
[17:34] <Tsangetsu> registrate en español..
[17:35] <amik> how can I uninstall sendmail? I've apt-get remove/purged it, apt-get says it's not installed, but it's still up and running...
[17:40] <BluesKaj> amik , how did you install it ?
[17:41] <amik> BluesKaj: 'apt-get install sendmail'
[17:43] <amik> I meant to install the sendmail utility used for sending out mail (because backuppc needs it), but found that it installed a whole smtp server thing. So I want to undo the installtion, but it doesn't seem to want to...
[17:43] <BluesKaj> amik, maybe it runs as  daemon and has to be stopped first in order to remove it
[17:44] <amik> I tried that too (even though I'd expect the uninstall script to do it anyway)
[17:45] <BluesKaj> well you could copy the paths and the rm-rf them
[17:46] <Dragnslcr> What happens when you try to remove the package?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> then rm -rf
[17:46] <amik> is there any way to see if the files somehow belong to a different package as well?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> locate
[17:46] <amik> Dragnslcr: apt-get behaves as if it removed them, as normal. except, everything's still up and running.
[17:47] <amik> BluesKaj: I meant is there a way to see for a given file which package installed it? I'm thinking maybe the same files for some reason are part of another package too and so are left behind (does that even make sense?)
[17:47] <BluesKaj> maybe a reboot is in order , amik
[17:47] <Dragnslcr> Are you just doing apt-get remove sendmail?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> yeah, kmail maybe ?
[17:48] <amik> I thought reboots after install/uninstall is something I left behind with Windows ;-)
[17:49] <amik> Dragnslcr: yep, and tried it with purge as well
[17:49] <Dragnslcr> My guess is that "sendmail" is just a metapackage
[17:50] <BluesKaj> amik do you have adept or synaptic installed, preferably synaptic it will take it down / purge it as well as anything if apt was used to install it
[17:51] <amik> Dragnslcr: how do I check that?
[17:52] <Dragnslcr> "apt-cache show sendmail" will show you all the other packages that it depends on
[17:52] <amik> BluesKaj: I have adept, but afaik it's just a front end to apt-get
[17:53] <BluesKaj> yes , but synaptic is better at removing dependencies and warning about conflicts when removing packages
[17:54] <Dragnslcr> You could also try "apt-get autoremove sendmail" to uninstall the dependency packages
[17:55] <Zokudu> Ok I'm new to Linux in general. If I install Kubuntu on its own partition will it be able to load any music or text files etc I had saved in wondows?
[17:55] <Zokudu> windows*
[17:56] <BluesKaj> Zokudu, yes
[17:56] <amik> Zokudu: I'm also a convert, and I access my media files from the old NTFS (windows) drive/partition, so - yes :-)
[17:56] <Dragnslcr> Zokudu- most likely, yeah
[17:58] <Zokudu> Thats cool so if I'm nervous about doing a large partition scheme Just tossing Kubuntu onto a 20 GB partition and put an 8GB SWAP in is all I need?
[17:59] <w-heat> hi, is there any way I can disable a specific USB device from automounting?
[18:02] <Dragnslcr> Zokudu- that would work for a test drive, yeah
[18:06] <amik> well I've found a few more packages which were installed with sendmail - sendmail-base sendmail-bin sendmail-cf and removed them, so I'll try a restart now - thanks for the help guys :-)
[18:06] <tmkcodes> How do i disable kubuntu 8.10 from upgrading?
[18:07] <kaddi> w-heat what do you mean by automounting? As far as I know external drives aren't automatically mounted when they are inserted.
[18:07] <Dragnslcr> amik- in theory, "apt-get autoremove sendmail" would uninstall those packages for you
[18:08] <amik> Dragnslcr: in theory :-)
[18:08] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[18:08] <grim_> salut out le monde
[18:08] <Dragnslcr> Did you try it?
[18:08] <grim_> quelqun parle francais ?
[18:08] <w-heat> kaddi: I presumed that the device notifier's option to browse the filesystem meant that it had mounted it. Anyway, think I've got it: add an elective mountpoint in fstab
[18:08] <Dragnslcr> !fr | grim_
[18:08] <DaskreeCH> amik: A uninstall doesn't have to stop the server in fact you can uninstall a server and install a brand new upgraded one with a new config file without disturbing the service
[18:09] <amik> DaskreeCH: there's never a 'file in use' problem (as there always is in windows)? everything is loaded once in memory?
[18:09] <DaskreeCH> amik: no the process is divorced from the file unless it's database or streaming in data from the HDD
[18:10] <DaskreeCH> Or for some reason it wants to lock it
[18:10]  * DaskreeCH stares hard at OO.o
[18:10] <kaddi> w-heat: in the default config the drive will only be mounted when you choose to broswe the filesystem. If you only insert the stick it is simply recognized, but not mounted. (at least on my pc. :) ) Glad to hear you found what you were looking for, because I couldn't have told you about the elective mountpoints ;)
[18:10] <DaskreeCH> amik: you could in theory wipe out the entire hard drive from under Linux running and replace it
[18:11] <w-heat> kaddi: I see - perhaps there's no need for an elective mountpoint then! Thanks for the response :)
[18:11] <developer> I need some help installing  QT Creator
[18:11] <DaskreeCH> TMKCodes: It shouldn't upgrade unless you tell it to so a better question is why is it automatically upgrading
[18:11] <amik> DaskreeCH: good to know! (in the 'very interesting' sense, not the 'I should try that sometime' sense :-) )
[18:11] <developer> and all staf for it
[18:12] <developer> can anyone help me with this
[18:12] <developer> ?
[18:12] <DaskreeCH> amik: I did try it Libc6 will screw up but the system will still be running
[18:12] <DaskreeCH> granted with a lot less icons :) and anything that wasn't hashed of course can't be run again
[18:13] <DaskreeCH> developer: #qt can probably help :)
[18:14] <amik> well I think I'll have to reboot anyway, coz I can't find a way to stop the sendmail daemon
[18:14] <DaskreeCH> what did you try?
[18:14] <amik>  /etc/init.d/senmail is still there, but seems to do nothing
[18:15] <amik> wouldn't it be removed by the uninstall? it's still there on-disk...
[18:15] <DaskreeCH> amik: you did sudo /etc/init.d/sendmail stop ?
[18:15] <DaskreeCH> amik: not if you didn't do a purge I think
[18:17] <amik> DaskreeCH: yes, I did a stop. and I did a purge too - that was my original question here - I'm trying to remove/purge/destroy sendmail, but it won't budge
[18:20] <Zokudu> lol destroy
[18:20] <DaskreeCH> I'm guessing that sendmail is really a collection of stuff
[18:20] <DaskreeCH> most people use postfix (like the person who wrote sendmail) It's actaully a really bad bit of software
[18:26] <phma> I have /boot 69% full, with 8 kernels and 12 initrds. What's the proper way to delete the old ones?
[18:26] <DaskreeCH> apt-get remove
[18:28] <phma> how do I remove just the old versions?
[18:37] <fabrizio_> Hi
[18:39] <Cictani> phma: use sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.xx-xx etc (exactly the version as in /boot)
[18:41] <BluesKaj> phma, use Synaptic Package Manager or Adept and search for linux-image, choose the older versions and remove them
[18:51] <commander_> kopete is not working for me . can i try pidgin?
[18:51] <tmkcodes> Soo, how do i disable kubuntu 8.10 from suggesting upgrade?
[18:52] <Dragnslcr> commander_- you can if you want, or you can try asking for help with Kopete
[18:53] <commander_> yeah for some reason Yahoo i'm not getting when i load it up
[18:54] <Dragnslcr> Pidgin has the same problem. It's on Yahoo's end
[18:54] <Dragnslcr> !yahoo
[18:54] <susafder> hello
[18:54] <amik> hi
[18:56] <susafder> the beta has expoded my desktop can i switch to gnome ?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> amik , did you get rid of sendmail ?
[18:56] <amik> which beta?
[18:57] <susafder> 4.2 kde
[18:57] <susafder> sorry 4.3 i still have a shell
[18:57] <amik> BluesKaj: I rebooted, uninstalled the dependent packages (which weren't automatically installed), and now it's not running, although it left garbage behind (e.g. /etc/init.d/sendmail)
[18:58] <amik> susafder: u can install the gnome desktop, but u can probably also reinstall kde 4.2.4 ... what exactly happened?
[19:00] <susafder> i ran an update after adding the backport depot then kde would not give me the login screen and now it doesn't show me anything i can read
[19:01] <susafder> but i can still boot in recovery mode
[19:02] <amik> can u uninstall what u installed?
[19:03] <susafder> well i was thinking removing all kde and going for a stable kde if possible
[19:03] <susafder> but at this point i don't even know the state of X
[19:04] <susafder> how do i reconfigure the X server knowing that i have an nvidia card
[19:06] <amik> hmmm... I think dpkg-reconfigure can do something of the sort, but iirc it ends up not being identical to the auto-configuration of a fresh install (never did figure out how to redo that)
[19:06] <amik> but maybe it'll work
[19:07] <amik> btw, there might be a backup xorg.conf in /etc/X11...
[19:08] <amik> btw I'm far from a pro with linux - sorry... if anyone here knows better, please do speak up :-)
[19:08] <commander_> does anyone have digikam 0.10.0?
[19:10] <dmitry_> привет всем!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:10] <amik> susafder: also, if it helps, the package names for the desktops are ubuntu-desktop (gnome), kubuntu-desktop (kde), xubuntu-desktop (xfce), etc.
[19:10] <BluesKaj> !ru | dmitry_
[19:11] <susafder> ok i found some backups in /etc/x11
[19:12] <amik> suafder: so u can copy them over xorg.conf (u can back that one up too, in case it's not what's broken) and restart X
[19:12] <commander_> hello!
[19:12] <amik> commander_: hi
[19:12] <houdini> hello
[19:13] <BluesKaj> amik, alt+f2 kdesudo konqueror  /etc/init.d    find the find the guilty party, right click and delete :)
[19:13] <houdini> could i get some possible help with sound card activation?
[19:13] <amik> commander_: sorry, I know nothing of digikam
[19:13] <susafder> YES  it looks back on thanks that was the X conf that had broke
[19:13] <commander_> i have 2 problems 1.i can't get kopete to work so i want to install Pidgin. 2. does anyone on here have digikam 0.10.0?
[19:14] <amik> BluesKaj: yes, rm can work too... but god knows how much other junk is left elsewhere :-/
[19:14] <BluesKaj> oops repeating myself again
[19:14] <houdini> has anyone had problems with sound? If so how did they fix this? (the absence of sound during OS operation)?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> amik , do a locate sendmail
[19:15] <DaskreeCH> TMKCodes: It shouldn't upgrade unless you tell it to so a better question is why is it automatically upgrading?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> amik but I also have the libs and pythons by default even tho I don't have sendmail actually installed
[19:16] <DaskreeCH> susafder: run sudo apt-get -f install
[19:16] <amik> BluesKaj: there are tens of files, and yes, I remember seeing some from before installation (when I was wondering if it's already installed by default or something) - so I'm reluctant to touch it
[19:16] <amik> I guess as long as it's not running, I can live with it until the next fresh install...
[19:17] <BluesKaj> yeah amik , just leave it alone , as long as sendmail itself is no longer a problem
[19:17] <amik> commander_: I use pidgin. it does a good job.
[19:18] <commander_> amik then that's who i want as a IM Clent on here.Kopete sucks and it n's not working .how can i get pidgin on here?
[19:18] <DaskreeCH> commander_: apt-get install pidgin
[19:19] <amik> susafder: so is everything ok now?
[19:20] <amik> houdini: no idea about sound cards... mine just always worked
[19:20] <Dragnslcr> commander_- if your problem with Kopete is that it can't connect Yahoo, Pidgin won't work any better
[19:20] <compilerwriter> Is anyone else have trouble with kpackagekit and Xwin in Jaunty?
[19:21] <commander_> I BELEIVE IT GOT SOMETHing to do w/Yahoo protocol
[19:21] <houdini> amik: thanks ill try some of the tips online. Its pretty annoying with no sound..Make it harder to do work
[19:21] <Dragnslcr> commander_- yes, it does, and it affects both Kopete and Pidgin
[19:22] <Dragnslcr> !yahoo | commander_
[19:22] <susafder> kde is working but i lost sound and the icon for restart is missing
[19:23] <DaskreeCH> commander_: If you just want to connect to yahoo then change your server in kopete
[19:23] <houdini> susafder: Sound is gone for me too. I have had no luck getting it back
[19:23] <BluesKaj> houdini, in the terminal aplay -l
[19:24] <houdini> BluesKaj, what does that command do??/
[19:24] <BluesKaj> tells us what soundcard
[19:24] <houdini> oo kk
[19:25] <commander_> d i want to connect to Yahoo MySpace and i think there's a 3rd app you can connect to Facebook
[19:25] <houdini> Blueskaj, Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: AD198x Digital [AD198x Digital]
[19:25] <DaskreeCH> Yahoo's Myspace?
[19:25] <DaskreeCH> oh Yahoo, Myspace
[19:26] <Dragnslcr> Yahoo works fine for me on Kopete. No idea about MySpace (don't much care, either). The Facebook plugin is almost done (there's a package in the 9.10 repository for KDE 4.3)
[19:26] <houdini> im having startup, and shutdown sounds. I believe that analog is working only. Have seen problems online consisting of this before but none of them helped.
[19:26] <BluesKaj> !Intelhda | houdini
[19:27] <amik> BluesKaj: man, u know all them bot shortcuts darn well!
[19:28] <amik> say, what goes into /var/log/messages? all system stuff? bootup messages too?
[19:29] <houdini> BluesKaj,ubottu thanks very much for the advice, ill begin to work.
[19:29] <susafder> anyways i got my video back thanks a lot guys
[19:29] <susafder> bye
[19:29] <tmkcodes> Hey i got an problem. Dolphin copy pasting does not work :/
[19:31] <BluesKaj> amik, well it just happens that our laptop has kubuntu installed on it and that page helped me restore the sound afteran update :)
[19:32] <DaskreeCH> tmkcodes:  It shouldn't upgrade unless you tell it to so a better question is why is it automatically upgrading? (repost)
[19:32] <DaskreeCH> amik: pretty much
[19:33] <tmkcodes> DaskreeCH: it's not updating, but the notify is annoying and dolphin does not copy paste my files :/
[19:33] <compilerwriter> Blueskaj do you think I will be able to go directly from Ibex to Koala?  Jaunty is not working out for me at all.
[19:33] <DaskreeCH> tmkcodes: From where to where?
[19:33] <DaskreeCH> compilerwriter: no
[19:34] <tmkcodes> DaskreeCH: it does not copypaste anything :P
[19:34] <amik> DaskreeCH: say I have a daemon that's supposed to run on boot (there's an rc script, init.d script which works manually, etc.), yet it doesn't start - where else can I find some mention of what happened, why it didn't start or if it tried to at all?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, no, if you have broken apps it will just complicate the upgrade
[19:35] <snarkster> would of you know what to add to the command line to automatically turn off composting for a wine program icon?
[19:36] <snarkster> is there a command to turn off composting?
[19:36] <DaskreeCH> alt+shift+f12
[19:37] <DaskreeCH> tmkcodes: how are youcopy pasting?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> amik , you may needd to make system links to rc*d  runlevels for the init.d script to run
[19:38] <JuJuBee> Something is up with my system.  When I log in, the desktop is gray and white checkerboard.  I cannot right click on the desktop and get a context menu anymore either to set background etc...(Appearance Settings)  My Panel is also messed up,  I cannot move things on the panel.
[19:38] <DaskreeCH> snarkster: http://identi.ca/notice/5056497
[19:38] <tmkcodes> DaskreeCH: mouse 2 click -> copy -> move to another folder -> mouse 2 click -> paste and i cant click the paste
[19:38] <amik> BluesKaj: there already are rc scripts in place
[19:39] <snarkster> DaskreeCH: Right I know alt-shift-f12, wouldnt be nice to leave it on but turn it off for certain programs?
[19:39] <DaskreeCH> JuJuBee: reset your config?
[19:39] <JuJuBee> How?
[19:39] <DaskreeCH> JuJuBee: do you have a cashew in the cupper right?
[19:39] <DaskreeCH> upper
[19:39] <snarkster> that is awesome, now for a nuub like me how do i incorporate that?
[19:40] <JuJuBee> I moved the .kde folder to kde_BAK and logged back in to similar problem.  No cashew in upper right. or on end of panel either.
[19:40] <DaskreeCH> tmkcodes: hmm ok can you make a new folder in the second folder?
[19:40] <tmkcodes> DaskreeCH: i can create folders
[19:40] <snarkster> did you unlock?
[19:41] <DaskreeCH> JuJuBee: can you right click the panel and unlock it?
[19:41] <DaskreeCH> tmkcodes: Try using the copy to submenu
[19:41] <amik> is there a quick way to prefix a message with a username for irc hilite without having to type in the full name each time? (Konversation)
[19:42] <JuJuBee> DaskreeCH: Not locked...
[19:42] <tmkcodes> DaskreeCH: Copy to submenu?
[19:42] <DaskreeCH> !tab | amik
[19:42] <DaskreeCH> JuJuBee: When did this start
[19:42] <JuJuBee> This morning.
[19:43] <JuJuBee> The last thing I installed was kdepim-dev
[19:43] <DaskreeCH> tmkcodes: Settings -> configure dolphin -> general -> Context Menu -> show moveto/copy to
[19:43] <libervisco> Hi.. KDE4 compositing settings are a little sparse compared to compiz.. but anyway, is there a way to show the size of the window when resizing?
[19:44] <libervisco> (I use that to test scalability of my design in web browser.. to lower resolutions)
[19:44] <DaskreeCH> libervisco: That has nothing to do with compositing :)
[19:44] <tmkcodes> DaskreeCH: that works.
[19:44] <DaskreeCH> libervisco: Ah as in actual size?
[19:44] <libervisco> DaskreeCH, oh.. I just remember it being a feature that turns on when compiz is on in GNOME..
[19:44] <DaskreeCH> Yes but it has nothing to do with compositing :)
[19:45] <libervisco> alright :)
[19:45] <libervisco> then.. window management? :P
[19:45] <DaskreeCH> alt+F3 -> configure window -> moving -> show window geometery
[19:45] <DaskreeCH> tmkcodes: Great
[19:45] <JuJuBee> DaskreeCH: sorry, I had to open my irc client via cli and I closed the terminal
[19:46] <libervisco> DaskreeCH, awesome, thanks :)
[19:46] <DaskreeCH> JuJuBee: fine. Can you logout then rename your ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* files ?
[19:46] <JuJuBee> I will try.  brb
[19:46] <DaskreeCH> Linux is great :)
[19:46] <JuJuBee> wait.  But I moved the  entire .kde folder so it had to create a new one...
[19:47] <JuJuBee> So I should have fresh copies...
[19:48] <DaskreeCH> JuJuBee: Did you do it while logged into KDE ?
[19:48] <JuJuBee> no at the login screen ctrl+alt+f1
[19:48] <DaskreeCH> then loggedin ?
[19:48] <JuJuBee> Yes
[19:48] <DaskreeCH> Hrrm that's funky
[19:48] <JuJuBee> I agree
[19:49] <JuJuBee> I will try it again I guess...
[19:49] <JuJuBee> brb
[19:49] <DaskreeCH> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[19:49] <DaskreeCH> see if something needs updating?
[19:49] <JuJuBee> Nope.
[19:49] <JuJuBee> Although 12 packages have been kept back...
[19:50] <JuJuBee>   kde-printer-applet kdebase-plasma kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdegraphics-strigi-plugins kdeplasma-addons konqueror kopete linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[19:54] <commander_> ok i got digikam i'm good on that
[19:54] <commander_> also does anyone have cairo docks or kool docks?
[19:55] <amik> commander_: what's that?
[19:56] <commander_> OSX DOCKS LIKE ON MAC u kNow AWN
[19:56] <amik> commander_: sorry I don't
[19:57] <amik> but I'm learning a lot on the channel today :-)
[19:57] <compilerwriter> I gave up on Jaunty and went back to Ibex.  I should be able to install KDE 4.2.4 though should I not?
[20:02] <Dragnslcr> !info kdebase intrepid
[20:04] <JuJuBee> DaskreeCH: I recently upgraded to lates amarok which I think upgraded kde to 4.3?  I had to install kdebase-worspace and things are working fine now.
[20:04] <Dragnslcr> compilerwriter- there are KDE 4.2.2 packages for 8.10 in the PPA, but I'm not sure about 4.2.4
[20:05] <commander_> ubottu it worked !
[20:06] <amik> hehe - commander_, ubottu is a bot, not a human. it shows info when someone asks it to, like Dragnslcr did right before that answer...
[20:22] <lena> Hi, I might be in need of some help. When trying to install gimp using kpackage my screen turns black and does not respond to ctrl+alt+backspace nor powerbutton. Anyone heard of such a bug or know where I can find the logs that might tell me what has happen?
[20:27] <BluesKaj> lena, try insalling gimp with apt
[20:28] <lena> BluesKaj, Yeah, I'm just looking for a more solid/permanent solution or if I should file a bugreport about this.
[20:28] <BluesKaj> lena , the linux 3 finger salute works for some and not others
[20:29] <lena> not in this case...
[20:29] <BluesKaj> doesn't work for me either , even with dontzap
[20:30] <BluesKaj> !dontzap
[20:31] <lena> k, thnx.
[20:36] <julian__> muy buenas tardes alguien habla español
[20:36] <Dragnslcr> !es | julian__
[20:36] <julian__> bien muchas gracias
[20:37] <amik> where does the output of echo commands in an init.d script go to (when run at boot time)
[20:40] <commander_> my facebook plugin is not working in pidgin
[20:48] <DaskreeCH> amik: messages
[20:49] <DaskreeCH> commander_: ask in #ubuntu
[20:49] <amik> 10x again
[20:50] <DaskreeCH> amik: hmm?
[20:51] <amik> DaskreeCH:  you (and the other guys) have been very helpful... I've learned a lot today :-)
[20:53] <TMKCodes> hmm.. any c++/SFML programmers here?
[20:53] <DaskreeCH> amik: Just hang out here you pick up so much every day that pretty soon you start wondering at why people think you are so skilled :)
[20:53] <DaskreeCH> likely but if you want specific help #cplusplus is a good chan
[20:54] <amik> true... I actually helped out a couple of ppl here solve their problems, and I'm a noob myself :-)
[20:56] <w-heat> hi, is ext4 considered stable in light of the data loss issues recently?
[20:58] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: what data loss?
[20:59] <amik> w-heat: I don't have experience with it, but from what I've read, it's not stability per-se, but trouble that happens when u pull the plug on the pc, etc.
[20:59] <w-heat> DaskreeCH: http://www.h-online.com/open/Ext4-data-loss-explanations-and-workarounds--/news/112892 for example
[20:59] <amik> so if u have a ups, I don't think there's a problem (but again, it's just stuff I've read)
[21:00] <w-heat> in fact: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781
[21:00] <amik> on the other hand, when asking myself the ext3/ext4 question a couple months ago, I couldn't think of any reason for my usage pattern to care one way or the other, so I stuch with the battle worn ext3
[21:00] <w-heat> yeah, reckon I will also go that way
[21:01] <w-heat> the reason I ask is that I've currently got an NTFS partition mounted from my old windows install; would there be a noticeable performance increase in switching to ext3?
[21:02] <amik> is there supposed to be any significant performance difference of ext4 over ext3? or some other advantage?
[21:02] <amik> again, I'm not too experienced, but regarding NTFS I think there will be a difference.
[21:02] <amik> from my personal experience, NTFS drivers are comewhat cpu intensive and somewhat slow
[21:02] <w-heat> amik: I thought there would be from NTFS -> ext3 and I assume that there is little point in ext4's existence unless there is some speed increase
[21:04] <amik> there might be differences other than speed - features which, as filesystems go, the majority of ppl won't really care about or notice...
[21:06] <amik> copying many GBs off NTFS on my system was much slower than the actual disk speed should have been... I'd switch if I didn't need compatibility
[21:10] <w-heat> amik: well, thanks for the advice
[21:10] <w-heat> going to copy my 400gb onto external drives and reformat as ext3 as i've succesfully used kubuntu for 6 months now without a single dual boot
[21:10] <amgarchIn9> amik: NTFS is a hack in user space, use it only when interoperability matters
[21:10] <BluesKaj> I tried ext4 on jaunty ,, was vaery unstable , lots of freezups
[21:11] <w-heat> ext3 it is then :P
[21:11] <BluesKaj> or lemme rephrase that...jaunty on ext4 is unstable in my experience
[21:13] <amik> amgarchIn9: NTFS is very stable (r/w) and works great for day to day use - the only drawback I've found is when copying many GBs which is somewhat slower than it should be. I do keep it for interoperability, but all in all they did a very good job with it
[21:17] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: It is significantly faster for some use cases and the same for the others It also does full fscks in seconds for multi terrabyte drives which is very useful for server/databse machines
[21:18] <DaskreeCH> BluesKaj: You lost data?
[21:18] <BluesKaj> dolphin comes with a default link to NTFS volumes , no need to install any other apps to access NTFS
[21:18] <w-heat> the problem with ext4's delayed commit is pretty well explained in the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 ; basically you get datat loss instead of the old file contents in the case of power loss before fsync
[21:19] <BluesKaj> DaskreeCH, no had it on another partition just in case and i copied it back after reformatting to ext3
[21:19] <BluesKaj> the data
[21:21] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: That's not a problem with ext4
[21:21] <DaskreeCH> BluesKaj: Right :) but did you lose any data when it was on the ext4 partition?
[21:22] <w-heat> DaskreeCH: it's not a bug, it's a feature? Basically it doesn't behave in the way that most users would want which is to either preserve the old file, or the new file in case of powerloss. In ext4, if there is power loss before fsync the file is obliterated
[21:23] <BluesKaj> DaskreeCH, i never stopped to check , after the 4th or so freezup, i gave up on ext4 and just reformatted and reinstalled jaunty
[21:25] <amik> any thoughts on how to debug a daemon that isn't starting on boot? it's in the rc.d's, init.d, runs manually ok, but on boot shows no sign of life - daemon process doesn't exist, and no mention in /var/log/messages. How do I figure what's going on?
[21:25] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: Right which is really how most file systems should work. Programmers just don't call fsync based on assumptions. What needs patching is the Linux Kernel to make fsync less expensive as per something like the BSd kernel
[21:26] <DaskreeCH> amik: How do you have it set to startup? Also
[21:26] <DaskreeCH> !upstart | amik
[21:26] <BluesKaj> DaskreeCH, most of my data is media files etc
[21:26] <DaskreeCH> Yeah Ext4 is pretty good with chunky data like that
[21:28] <amik> DaskreeCH: I followed some tutorial, basically prepared the script /etc/init.d/james (which starts manually ok when I just run it), and then 'update-rc.d james start 21 2 3 4 5 . stop 19 0 1 6 .' (it's the Apache James mail server, and it depends on mysql, hence 19/21 levels)
[21:29] <DaskreeCH> 21 ?
[21:30] <amik> mysql starts/stops on level 20 (is it called level? is there a word for it?), so james starts on 21 (after) and stops before (19) it
[21:30] <w-heat> DaskreeCH: I'm afraid I'm not really competent to discuss the relative merits of BSD vs. Linux fsync performance and the philosophy of FS delayed-writes; all I know is that, as a user, if I suffered a power loss I'd be far happier with the old version of a file than a zero byter
[21:30] <amik> from the little I know, it looks like the rc.d scripts are all in place
[21:32] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: Agreed and Gnome and KDE are trying to work on that. The main back and forth fight is that the kernel FS devs are saying that ~/.kde and whatever Gnome uses should be a minidatabase type file instead of hundreds of small flat files which both DEs and myself personally disagree with. Something will be worked out by this time next year easily that will be good for all parties
[21:32] <amik> if, say, it did try loading on boot but failed for some reason, how would it show in messages log? I can't find any mention...
[21:33] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: Having said that ext4 is probably not a good choice for /home at this time. / is much more likely a good candidate And from the advances made ext4 really feels like a good fit for Server environments
[21:33] <DaskreeCH> plus nothing stops you from using ext3 for like ... forever
[21:34] <DaskreeCH> amik: if you are talking about boot up then Sysv only effectively has 6 levels
[21:34] <DaskreeCH> 9 if you want to push it. where ae you getting 21 and 19 from?
[21:35] <BluesKaj> amik, I beleive that the S20/21/etc designates what order the script starts
[21:35] <amik> DaskreeCH: I'm getting the terminology mixed up - I'm not talking about the runlevels, just the order in which scripts are run (0-99) - what's the name for those?
[21:36] <amik> boot order number? well anyway - I hope u know what I'm talking about :-)
[21:36] <DaskreeCH> amik: Right ok umm order?
[21:36] <DaskreeCH> Don't know actually :)
[21:37] <DaskreeCH> amik: in any case in short Ubuntu is no longer a SysV linux. Look at the docs there for upstart. It may give you a more Ubuntu way of doing thigns
[21:38] <amik> ok, I shall. though being a beginner, I like to learn also the linux conventions not only ubuntu-specific.
[21:38] <amik> in any case, it should be working, no?
[21:39] <DaskreeCH> amik: Should. do you have the right pointers created in the /etc/rc.x directory?
[21:40] <amik> yes, they all seem in the right place
[21:41] <BluesKaj> amik, what does the script actaually do ? I have a scipt that wouldn't run no matter what I did until a friendly pyTivo expert helped me with a small cmnd fix in the text
[21:42] <amik> hmmm strange - it looks like all rc scripts (not just james) are rwxrwxrwx, isn't that bad?
[21:42] <BluesKaj> it was due to a " HW anomoly " whatever that was supposed to mean :)
[21:42] <amik> BluesKaj: the rc's are all links to /etc/init.d/james, which, when run manually from the console with sudo, starts the daemon and works perfectly
[21:43] <DaskreeCH> BluesKaj: Well he says that it works manually (assuming amik is a he)
[21:43] <amik> I am!
[21:43] <DaskreeCH> \o/
[21:43] <BluesKaj> as did mine , yes , im familair with the situation
[21:44] <amik> the strangest thing is that in hebrew, the pronounciation 'he', as a hebrew word, actually means 'she'! :-p
[21:44] <BluesKaj> amik , this was the cmnd i used : /etc/init.d/pyTivo-autorun.sh start
[21:45] <Dragnslcr> amik- yeah, but that chain of words was great for us kids
[21:45] <amik> now one hint I got a few days back was the when run as root, as opposed to from the console, some environment variables don't exist (JAVA_HOME for instance), as well as path etc. but I already fixed that, and it worked iirc - it specifies all env variables it needs in the script itself
[21:46] <w-heat> DaskreeCH: all sounds good; I don't entirely understand the position of kernel devs for minidatabase, I mean what happens when that gets borked to a 0 byte file - the entire settings db is gone
[21:46] <amik> and finally - even if it fails, for whatever script/permissions/bad mood reasons, I'd expect it to have a mention somewhere, in some log - but I can't find it!
[21:47] <amik> man, this is driving me crazy...
[21:48] <BluesKaj> amik I had to add nohup (whatever that means) to the line that calls the script to look for python and the application path
[21:48] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: It wouldn't get borked it only happens for files small enough foe the kernel to essentially eternally cache it without it being told to write them
[21:48] <DaskreeCH> for
[21:48] <DaskreeCH> BluesKaj: nohup means that if the calling process dies then this process will continue to live and be promoted to it's grandparent (normally init)
[21:49] <BluesKaj> aha ...thanks for that DaskreeCH
[21:49] <DaskreeCH> It stands for nohangup
[21:49] <w-heat> DaskreeCH: oh, I see, so larger files would be immune because they would be written immediately. It seems a poor workaround to suggest that the problem would be fixed if your files were larger.
[21:49] <Dragnslcr> Well that's better than what I was going to guess (tells the process to ignore sighup)
[21:49] <amik> are boot scripts run by the init process? by the root user?
[21:50] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, they're run by root
[21:50] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: no that's not fully what they were saying they were saying the whole system would work better if that was done but wasn't the actual only solution they proposed. Naturally if it provides good benefits it should be discussed which is what is going on now
[21:51] <DaskreeCH> Dragnslcr: Same thing :)
[21:51] <Dragnslcr> Heh, but you actually knew what you were saying
[21:52] <w-heat> DaskreeCH: well, as I said, I'm no expert, but thank you for the synopsis. Will be interesting to see which way it goes :)
[21:52] <DaskreeCH> Yeah I could give you more history but basically it means when you stop caring as longas there is a root user it will keep running that process
[21:52] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: Forward ;-)
[21:53] <w-heat> DaskreeCH: oh you positivist you! ;P
[21:53] <BluesKaj> bbl
[21:53] <DaskreeCH> w-heat: one of the fun things with FOSS is that the code normally wins over politics if it gets too much of a back and forthsomeone who just wants the system to work will do it that way and everyone else will folow
[21:54] <DaskreeCH> unless it's not worth it no one is held at ransom
[21:54] <w-heat> DaskreeCH: well, it can only be a good thing - anyway, night night, I'm off now :)
[21:55] <DaskreeCH> good night
[21:55] <DaskreeCH> see MS implementation of ODF for a held at ransom attempt
[21:58] <amik> so any regular echo message in an init script goes to messages? everyone sure about that?
[21:59] <ceo> alguien que hable español
[22:00] <DaskreeCH> !es | ceo
[22:00] <ceo> ok gracias
[22:00] <amik> de nada
[22:00] <DaskreeCH> amik: write it into your own personal log if you like
[22:01] <amik> echo "something" > mylog.txt   ?
[22:02] <DaskreeCH> needs a path :) it has no clue where mylog.txt is supposed to be
[22:02] <amik> right :-)
[22:02] <amik> ok, I'll try.
[22:03] <amik> man, I've rebooted more times today than I've rebooted windows in the past half a year
[22:03] <DaskreeCH> amik: Why?
[22:04] <amik> well, in the morning I was compiling and setting up nvidia drivers which required some reboots (didn't go smooth, but eventually I got it working and now have desktop effects working after 3 months without them)
[22:04] <amik> and now I'm trying to figure out this init-boot thing, for which I need to boot in order to test
[22:04] <DaskreeCH> \o/ I should probably try and fix mine
[22:04] <DaskreeCH>  I miss present windows
[22:05] <DaskreeCH> amik: you can just do level jumps
[22:05] <amik> what does that entail?
[22:05] <DaskreeCH> sudo init 1 && sudo init 2 is roughly the same as a reboot and like waaaaay faster
[22:05] <amik> you've taught me much today, wise one
[22:06] <amik> that's the fun part of being a noob - so much learning going on...
[22:06] <DaskreeCH> it drops just about everything but the kernel (which you needed for the driver thing (well no not really but I won't confuse you )) and then starts all the services back up
[22:07] <DaskreeCH> amik: it will kill your network and gui and everything so you may want to jump to a VT
[22:07] <amik> my goal is to put my old windows pc to sleep - the new/linux and old/windows machines are running side by side for months now, migrating piece by piece and learning along the way...
[22:07] <amik> u mean first logout and then do it from tty?
[22:08] <DaskreeCH> yeah
[22:08] <DaskreeCH> Linux rocks ;)
[22:09] <DaskreeCH> basically once you have a network and a non paniced kernel (and some shell) you can do nigh anything
[22:12] <amik> ok, c u on the other side
[22:12] <DaskreeCH> everyone hide!
[22:12] <DaskreeCH> oh wait he's still here
[22:12] <amik> hey I heard that
[22:13] <amik> hello?
[22:13] <amik> anyone?
[22:13] <kaddi> nobody is here :D
[22:14]  * DaskreeCH gives the universal Sshhhhhh sign
[22:14]  * amik scratches his head
[22:16]  * amik goes to eat some icecream and chocolate all alone
[22:27] <amik> guys?
[22:27] <amik> hey guys?
[22:28]  * kaddi goes to look after the chocolate amik must have left alone when he came back
[22:28] <DaskreeCH> :-)
[22:28] <DaskreeCH> Hi amik
[22:28]  * amik doesn't take prisoners
[22:29] <DaskreeCH> too lazy to build a jail?
[22:29] <ign0ramus> hi kaddi
[22:29] <kaddi> heya ign0ramus :)
[22:29] <ign0ramus> kaddi, i finally figured out why some flash was not working for me!
[22:29] <amik> chocolate won't make it in jail. it'll melt of fear.
[22:29] <kaddi> really? :D Tell me! :)
[22:30] <ign0ramus> kaddi, when i first installed Jaunty, i found that ~/.macromedia was keeping a log of all flash sites visited, so i changed permissions on it
[22:30] <ign0ramus> kaddi, i completely forgot about that, because most flash video was still working
[22:30]  * kaddi is going to check on .macromedia
[22:31] <kaddi> :D
[22:31] <kaddi> so macromedia won't work if it can't spy on you? :D
[22:31] <ign0ramus> kaddi, apparently, it needs to be writable for some videos, but not others...
[22:31] <kaddi> ok
[22:32] <ign0ramus> kaddi, youtube and other sites always worked fine, but if you remember, some sites, like the Onion and wimp.com wouldn't work
[22:32] <amik> btw that init 1 && init 2 thing didn't quite do the magic
[22:32] <ign0ramus> kaddi, now, everything's back to normal, but Flash is still logging all Flash in ~/.macromedia   :/
[22:32] <kaddi> anybode else has this bug in the sound when all of a sudden sound plays twice as quick before crashing the entire application?
[22:33] <DaskreeCH> amik: did it do a card trick at least?
[22:33] <DaskreeCH> ign0ramus: wipe it when you logout
[22:33] <ign0ramus> kaddi, can't say that i have
[22:33] <ign0ramus> DaskreeCH, make a logout script?
[22:33] <amik> it worked once, but after returning, all ttys were dead and when trying 'login to console' from the X menu, the gui screen died too. which left me with nothing but a hard reset.
[22:34] <DaskreeCH> amik: sounds like deeper issues
[22:34] <ign0ramus> DaskreeCH, or even better (as i don't logout all that often)... how about a cron job that runs once every 12 hours or something?
[22:34] <DaskreeCH> Though I blame upstart
[22:34] <DaskreeCH> ign0ramus: Bingo
[22:34] <ign0ramus> DaskreeCH, thats thinking with portals :)
[22:34] <kaddi> ign0ramus that reminds me, Flash has something like cookies called SharedObjects, you can't configure this in the player itself, but you can on the adobe-website (allegedly) maybe this is what you were seeing?
[22:35] <ign0ramus> kaddi, i thought so maybe too, but i disabled all storage locally from the adobe website, and sites still appear logged in ~/.macromedia
[22:35] <DaskreeCH> ign0ramus: Cake \o/
[22:36] <ign0ramus> DaskreeCH, it's a lie! :D
[22:36] <DaskreeCH> Noooooooo
[22:36]  * DaskreeCH hugs his kompanion kube for komfort
[22:36] <ign0ramus> DaskreeCH, lol
[22:37] <kaddi> l
[22:37] <ign0ramus> kaddi, do you have listings in ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/#SharedObjects/  ?
[22:37] <kaddi> yes, there are a lot of sites listed
[22:37] <ign0ramus> kaddi, yeah, that was the issue, and turning storage to 0kB doesn't seem to work :/
[22:38] <kaddi> but most of them are also listed in macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys
[22:38] <ign0ramus> kaddi, i didn't even check there :P
[22:38] <kaddi> ign0ramus: I haven't turned shared objects off. I just read about them recently
[22:38] <amik> DaskreeCH: however, the added log message from the init script did get written! so the script is indeed being run - just without any trace in the logs, and without a live process.
[22:38] <ign0ramus> kaddi, if you know a way to do it, let me know
[22:39] <kaddi> ign0ramus: I'll look into it :)
[22:39] <ign0ramus> kaddi, thanks :)
[22:40] <DaskreeCH> amik: write the process number in the log :)
[22:44] <amik> DaskreeCH: how?
[22:45] <DaskreeCH> echo $$
[22:45] <amik> is the pid of the script the same as the process it starts?
[22:46] <amik> what can I do with the pid?
[22:47] <DaskreeCH> Dont know haven't thought that far :)
[22:48] <amik> lol
[22:48] <DarkSmoke> hey guys
[22:48] <shadeslayer> DarkSmoke: hi
[22:48] <DarkSmoke> what the hell is with this network manager in kde4  ?
[22:48] <DarkSmoke> i added my own ip address
[22:48] <DarkSmoke> i logged out and logged in
[22:48] <DarkSmoke> and its still using DHCP
[22:48] <DaskreeCH> Static ip addresses might be an issue
[22:49] <DarkSmoke> i press the disconnect button and it doesnt work neither O_o
[22:49] <shadeslayer> actually they are :P
[22:49] <amik> what I can do is now add lots of debug messages in the script... now I actually have some work to do!
[22:49] <DarkSmoke> and why /etc/init.d/networking doesn't work anymore?
[22:49] <DarkSmoke> :O
[22:49] <DarkSmoke> as in , i used to disconnect internet and reconnect with sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[22:50] <DarkSmoke> ok
[22:50] <DarkSmoke> what am i gonna do to get static up address?
[22:50] <shadeslayer> DarkSmoke: sudo ifconfig eth0 XXX.YYY.ZZZ.120 netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:51] <DarkSmoke> can you easily switch to Wicd client in kubuntu ?
[22:51] <DarkSmoke> <IP_ADDRESS> actually
[22:51] <DarkSmoke> ;p
[22:51] <shadeslayer> DarkSmoke: try that for static address
[22:51] <DarkSmoke> ok
[22:51] <DarkSmoke> can you switch to Wicd easily on kubuntu?
[22:51] <shadeslayer> DarkSmoke: http://forum.kde.org/network-management-and-static-ip-adress-t-60038.html
[22:51] <kaddi> ign0ramus: I followed the settings on this site: http://libre-et-ouvert.blogspot.com/2009/03/facheux-flash.html (it's in french, but there are screenshots further down) and now I've visited theonien, youtube and wimp without them appearing in sharedobjects
[22:51] <shadeslayer> DarkSmoke: also : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/%2Bsource/plasma-widget-network-manager/%2Bbug/356287
[22:52] <ign0ramus> kaddi, excellent! plus, i could brush up on my french in the meantime :D
[22:52] <kaddi> ign0ramus: that site also told about the sites being mirrored in the security-folder and possibly in .adobe/Flash_Player/assetache
[22:53] <kaddi> (but I checked that folder only after making the new settings which means, it was empty :p )
[22:53] <ign0ramus> kaddi, that's pretty lame.
[22:53] <DarkSmoke> hello
[22:53] <DarkSmoke> can you switch to wicd easily on kubuntu?
[22:53] <ign0ramus> kaddi, cool!  i saw there is a Fx add-on that is supposed to wipe Shared Objects, but it doesn't work that well
[22:53] <shadeslayer> !wicd
[22:53] <ign0ramus> DarkSmoke, yes
[22:53] <DarkSmoke> how ign0ramus
[22:54] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: yeah..just remove the default network manager and install wicd
[22:54] <ign0ramus> DarkSmoke, it will necessarily remove network manager and the widget, but it is great
[22:54] <ign0ramus> DarkSmoke, 'sudo apt-get install wicd'
[22:54] <kaddi> ign0ramus: yeah, I've heard of it.. betterprivacy I believe. Haven't tried it out so far.
[22:54] <DarkSmoke> yes thats what i did on sabayon i installed wicd because its way better
[22:54] <DarkSmoke> how do i remove network manager
[22:54] <DarkSmoke> ?
[22:54] <ign0ramus> kaddi, i've never liked NM, and wicd connects no problems, and has a better connection
[22:54] <kaddi> DarkSmoke For your information: sudo apt-get install wicd will remove networkmanager.
[22:55] <DarkSmoke> ok
[22:55] <DarkSmoke> thanks dude
[22:55] <DarkSmoke> xD
[22:55] <ign0ramus> ^ what kaddi said :)
[22:55] <ign0ramus> DarkSmoke, kaddi is a very attractive 'dude'
[22:55] <DarkSmoke> lol
[22:55] <DarkSmoke> good
[22:56] <ign0ramus> DarkSmoke, i thought the same... not too many females around these parts :)
[22:56] <kaddi> ign0ramus: I recall installing wicd because NM wouldn't work on a regular basis... I kind of panicked when it uninstalled NM because I had no clue if wicd would work. ;D But it did :)
[22:56] <ign0ramus> kaddi, does it ever :)
[22:56] <DarkSmoke> hm
[22:56] <DarkSmoke> does it add the wicd client automatic at kde startup , or i add it myself?
[22:58] <ign0ramus> DarkSmoke, it installs a daemon that runs at startup - you don't have to do anything
[22:58] <ign0ramus> DarkSmoke, unless of course you choose to NOT make it load at startup
[22:58] <shadeslayer> hurrah for daemons :P
[23:00] <libervisco> Hi guys and gals..
[23:00] <cmreigrut> What's the difference between wicd and networkmanager?
[23:00] <shadeslayer> libervisco: hey
[23:00] <shadeslayer> !info wicd | cmreigrut
[23:00] <libervisco> I have accidentally discovered a second bug while trying to compile evidence of the first..
[23:00] <libervisco> http://memenode.com/misc/KDE4.3-artifacts/
[23:00] <DaskreeCH> ign0ramus: I'm an attractive dude too :(
[23:00] <libervisco> the first bug is those distortions on screen
[23:00] <shadeslayer> libervisco: haha
[23:00] <libervisco> which the screenshots are off
[23:01] <libervisco> the second bug is those file names.. wtf? I didn't name them like that before uploading.. all KDE4.3 :D
[23:01] <cmreigrut> Yes, I get that they're both network managers.  I asked what the difference was...i.e. why I'd choose wicd over networkmanager (or vice versa)
[23:01] <ign0ramus> DaskreeCH, kaddi's a different kind of dude, although i'm sure you're an adonis as well :)
[23:01] <shadeslayer> cmreigrut: some hardware is supported by wicd but not by nm and some by nm but not wicd
[23:02] <ign0ramus> cmreigrut, also, i have hardware tha NM does 'work' on, but not consistently (drops connection)... i have no problems with wicd.
[23:02] <DaskreeCH> ign0ramus: Yeah it's just nice to hear once in a while :)
[23:02] <ign0ramus> cmreigrut, if NM is working flawlessly for you, really no need to switcch
[23:02] <cmreigrut> Hmmm, might have to try wicd then.  I've been tearing my hair out over an issue for the past several hours where networkmanager believes that the switch for my internal wireless is off...and no amount of convincing will change its mind
[23:02] <ign0ramus> DaskreeCH, i'll make a note of it :P
[23:03] <shadeslayer> libervisco: ps : svn and nightly builds are not supported here ;)
[23:03] <cmreigrut> Does wicd use rfkill?
[23:04] <libervisco> shadeslayer, this is beta2 :)
[23:04] <shadeslayer> cmreigrut: i have an idea before that
[23:04] <ign0ramus> cmreigrut, not yet
[23:04] <libervisco> from backports
[23:04] <shadeslayer> libervisco: still not supported :)
[23:04] <libervisco> hehe
[23:04] <shadeslayer> cmreigrut: you can use sudo ifconfig wlan0 up to bring the interface up
[23:04] <ign0ramus> cmreigrut, current stable wicd is 1.6.0 (last i checked maybe a week ago) and rfkill is not supporte
[23:04] <libervisco> well.. at least.. did anyone experience those?
[23:05] <shadeslayer> libervisco: im on nightly and no i dont have those issues..
[23:05] <libervisco> hmm
[23:06] <shadeslayer> libervisco: 4.2.92 (KDE 4.2.92 (KDE 4.3 >= 20090617))
[23:06] <burn_> wich program on linux is for 3D modeling?
[23:06] <libervisco> shadeslayer, where do you get that info?
[23:07] <DaskreeCH> !blender
[23:07] <shadeslayer> libervisco: hehe... help > about KDE in any app
[23:07] <libervisco> oh
[23:07] <burn_> blender is only one free? what about maya?
[23:07] <Shura> !women
[23:07] <libervisco> Version 4.2.90 (KDE 4.2.90 (KDE 4.3 Beta2))
[23:07] <Shura> :/
[23:07] <DaskreeCH> burn_: That's "free"
[23:07] <libervisco> ok so there's hope it'll be fixed by final then, if it's ok there :)
[23:08] <libervisco> shadeslayer, you're using nvidia?
[23:08] <shadeslayer> burn_: maya is proprietary :)
[23:08] <DaskreeCH> Shura: looking for something?
[23:08] <shadeslayer> libervisco: yep
[23:08] <libervisco> cool, same here
[23:08] <Shura> (No, just kiddin')
[23:08] <burn_> so blender is good choice?
[23:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[23:09] <ign0ramus> burn_, why not try it out for yourself?  you can always uninstall if you want.  i've never used it, but people say it's pretty awesome
[23:10] <burn_> yea bleders is awesome
[23:10] <burn_> i am actualy asking for info, my friend will use somenthing for 3D :D
[23:10] <shadeslayer> i really wish they would get gfxboot-grub back in the repo :(
[23:11] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, as i'm sure you know, you can do all that stuff by hand
[23:11] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, qgrubeditor does some basic stuff like colors ...
[23:12] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: thats only for low resolutions and i have a 1440X900 rez.....
[23:12] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, O_o
[23:12] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: well thats wht ive read
[23:12] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, don't know (1024 x 800 here)
[23:13] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: and you must have installed splash images right??
[23:13] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, i meant 1280 x 800.  (had to check xrandr)
[23:13] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, i have them installed but disabled.
[23:14] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, they do work fine, though
[23:14] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: hehe...
[23:14] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: one sec
[23:14] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: nothing like this : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE+4+gfxboot+theme?content=75443
[23:14] <IvoryZion> I'm running Kubuntu 9.0.4 and would like to upgrade KDE.  This link ( http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.4) tells me to "do a full upgrade".  Does this mean a full distribution upgrade?  I added the source to /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:15] <IvoryZion> apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[23:15] <kaddi> hmm...that looks as if it might be almost useful for a bugreport :D E: core-util.c: Assertion 'pa_close(fds[0]) == 0' failed at pulsecore/core-util.c:2109, function pa_close_pipe(). Aborting.
[23:15] <shadeslayer> IvoryZion: no,just add the line and do dist-upgrade
[23:15] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, that's pretty epic
[23:16] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: for someone who loves KDE so much ;)
[23:16] <IvoryZion> shadeslayer: is apt-get dist-upgrade the correct command?
[23:16] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, kde 4 has really started to grow on me
[23:16] <shadeslayer> IvoryZion: yes,sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:16] <ign0ramus> IvoryZion, see here for info about dist-upgrade: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
[23:16] <IvoryZion> great... thank you
[23:17] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: i went from KDE 4.2 to gnome and then to KDE 4.2.4 + KDE nightly :)
[23:17] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, i've never liked gnome, but i was really not thrilled with kde 4.0 - 4.1.x
[23:17] <shadeslayer> now i have no gnome libs apart from a very few required by FF
[23:17] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: me neither
[23:18] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, sweet.  me too. and pidgin :P
[23:18] <shadeslayer> kopete for me :)...maybe empathy if i require it later on
[23:18] <DaskreeCH> burn_: check blender3d.org
[23:19] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, never heard of empathy... worth checking out.  kde 4 kopete is still crash-y for me :(
[23:19] <DaskreeCH> ign0ramus: KDE 4.4 :-D
[23:19] <ign0ramus> DaskreeCH, is it usable?
[23:19] <shadeslayer> DaskreeCH: 4.4 ??
[23:19] <shadeslayer> DaskreeCH: svn build?
[23:19] <ign0ramus> does it even exist yet?
[23:20] <shadeslayer> haha...
[23:20] <DaskreeCH> No but the projects from GSoC will turn up there and they have some fantastic projects
[23:20] <shadeslayer> 4.5 will rock the world...
[23:20] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, i hope so.  i honestly think qt is the future of DE's
[23:20] <shadeslayer> 5.0 will be out of this world :P
[23:21] <ikonia> maybe take this to offtopic as it's pure speculation
[23:21] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: ubuntu-offtopic?
[23:22] <ign0ramus> shadeslayer, actually about to eat dinner (tacos!)
[23:22] <shadeslayer> ign0ramus: ah..ok then :)
[23:45] <yoga> I am installing Kubuntu the latest CD, and need some hand holding from you guys/girls. What format of the file system to choose, there are ext2,ext3,reiserFS, etc. so many.
[23:46] <HaRDi437> ext3
[23:47] <HaRDi437> best choice for home user :)
[23:47] <yoga> HaRDi437: ok, I'll take it. Aman.
[23:52] <Guest81750> hi to all
[23:54] <cmreigrut> thanks for the earlier advice--I managed to get Dan Williams on the #nm channel, and we managed to get it configured (granted, by removing the rfkill config, but still)
[23:54] <cmreigrut> So networkmanager is once again working for me
[23:54] <cmreigrut> Thanks again!
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