[14:31] <jrib> I honestly think someone that speaks italian should try to ask one of these numerous italian !list people why they think it would work here
[14:32] <DJones> I thought it had been explained in the past as its part of the Italian mindset to download films etc via IRC rather than through torrents/websites
[14:35] <k1l> someone told me it was in a famous italian magazine or warez site that that is the way irc works
[16:09] <Pici> ooops, the floodbots banned them
[16:09] <Pici> oh well
[17:16] <Myrtti> I have to say, I lol'd
[19:15] <Pici> 1900 nicks?
[19:22] <Myrtti> so it is
[19:24] <k1l_> !notubuntu
[19:24] <k1l_> !noubuntu
[19:29] <IdleOne> !wedontneednoubuntu
[19:29] <IdleOne> nope :)
[20:07] <topyli> any staff? we have a problem at #ubuntu-offtopic. or a better op who might be able to keep them out :)
[20:07] <topyli> ban evading
[20:08] <Fuchs> topyli: sure this needs staff,
[20:08] <Fuchs> as the ban has just been updated,
[20:08] <Fuchs> and seems to be very local to that specific channel?
[20:09] <topyli> i don't really know, i'm trying to exit ubuntu stuff but i'm somehow still an op there
[20:09] <topyli> _)
[20:09] <topyli> :)
[20:10] <IdleOne> you leaving us?
[20:10] <IdleOne> :/
[20:13] <topyli> i've been moving back to debian for a good while now. i'm just doing the rest of my ubuntu work as promised
[20:13] <topyli> it's been great fun while it lasted!
[20:14] <IdleOne> I don't think the use of Ubuntu is a prerequisite to being an op in ubuntu channels.
[20:14] <topyli> it isn't, and i'm still an op at -ot like always
[20:15] <topyli> no need for me in the ircc next year however
[20:17] <Fuchs> topyli: usually local channel problems should be handled by local channel ops,
[20:18] <Fuchs> and in this specific case  1) the issue was already handled   2) we don't have the better tools than you have, there
[20:18] <Fuchs> if people abuse accounts or cloaks to evade bans, we might be interested in that, since this is not what they are intended for
[20:18] <Fuchs> so that might make us unhappy
[20:19] <Fuchs> but if people have entirely different hosts ... we can ban them the same way as you can. We obviously _could_ remove them from the network, but I do on one hand not see how that would help (given they have other hosts) and I don't think this is an appropriate response to them misbehaving in one channel
[20:21] <topyli> Fuchs: sorry. i was never elected for my irc skills in the first place :)
[20:21] <Fuchs> topyli: no problem at all, I just wasn't sure whether you are aware of that, hence me asking :)
[20:21] <Fuchs> it wasn't meant as an offense or something similar
[20:22] <topyli> oh no, i didn't mean it like that at all myself


[01:52] <lazyPower> Catalys: So, the agents report the ip address of the unit during its init phase. If the IP address changes, the unit should be reporting the new ip address if you cycle that unit/machine agent.
[02:06] <Catalys> @lazypower: Alright and by cycle you mean doing a simple reboot of that specific unit then?
[02:06] <lazyPower> Catalys: thats one way, but you should be able to just cycle the systemd unit. `systemctl restart jujud-unit-mysql-0` for example
[02:07] <lazyPower> that was from memory, pardon me if the systemd naming schema is a little off, like instead of unit, its 'agent'
[02:07] <Catalys> Thanks it was just some bothering me for a bit and not clearly described in the documentation, or I might be blind lol.
[02:08] <Catalys> At least the question has now been answered haha.
[02:09] <Catalys> lazypower: However to be clear, say I move to a new subnet then Juju will fully take care of itself and pick a new IP on it own though?
[02:10] <Catalys> Or do you still have to go into the SSH and edit the interfaces file there.
[02:12] <lazyPower> so long as that new subnet can reach the controller there shouldn't be any additional action on your part
[02:13] <lazyPower> there might be some holdover issues with certain charms that dont handle the ip update correctly
[02:13] <lazyPower> like if you move mysql to a new subnet and say keystone doesn't have any logic to handle the updated ip once the config is written, that may cause you some heartburn
[02:13] <lazyPower> but its reasonably safe to do so in most cases.
[17:29] <Budgie^Smore> o/ juju world are we having fun yet?


[00:35] <InHisName> I guess that's a better guess than a missing 'c' from coding ?
[01:45] <pleia2> InHisName: context is everything :)
[09:46] <rmg51> Morning
[11:47] <InHisName> morning Randy
[11:48] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:48] <InHisName> hard at work already, JonathanD?
[11:50] <JonathanD> Nope
[11:50] <JonathanD> I'm thinking about buying one of them there hybrid drives.
[11:55] <JonathanD> Crissi needs a laptop drive.
[11:59] <JonathanD> Ordered.
[12:00] <JonathanD> InHisName: whats new? :)
[14:25] <ChinnoDog> sup lamalex
[14:38] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: there is an algorithm course : http://bdfhjk.blog.pl/2012/04/03/first-ubuntu-algorithm-classes/
[14:38] <PennBot> Title: First Ubuntu Algorithm Classes | bdfhjk (at bdfhjk.blog.pl)
[14:38] <jedijf> and others ^^^^
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> thank you
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> wednesday there is a presentation about ARM processors at drexel
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> I don't know if it's only for students but it sounds interesting
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> ARM is presenting rather
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: right now that's what i am doing, speeding up processes
[14:41] <jedijf> i figured it may be of some use to you
[14:41] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[14:41] <MutantTurkey> this grad student wrote rather inefficent algorthms
[14:41] <jedijf> can never have enough information...now only if there were enough time for all the info
[14:41] <MutantTurkey> first of all he needed to extract a video to png, then crop all of the frames
[14:42] <MutantTurkey> so basically he used quicktime to do it, then used a single c++ application that crops using image magics library one at a time
[14:42] <MutantTurkey> yesterday i rewrote that application to use multiple processes
[14:42] <MutantTurkey> it now does over 30 per second on my lappy
[14:42] <MutantTurkey> now i am rewriting the extraction process, using mplayer
[14:42] <MutantTurkey> we might even be able to combine the steps using a video filter ( trying it now)
[14:43] <jedijf> nice
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> yep
[14:43] <jedijf> imagemagik is crazy if you know how to use it
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> those are first two steps
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> it is
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> there are 6
[14:43] <MutantTurkey> and basically it takes 15 hours and isn't automated...
[14:44] <MutantTurkey> so i am going to try and rewrite it and automate it.
[14:44] <MutantTurkey> i am thinking >3 hours
[14:47] <MutantTurkey> and it worked...
[14:47] <MutantTurkey> nice.
[14:48] <jedijf> sweet
[14:53] <MutantTurkey> yes :-)
[14:53] <MutantTurkey> i feel like a boss
[14:53] <MutantTurkey> owning a PhD student
[14:56] <MutantTurkey> 10 minutes vs 2 hours
[14:59] <InHisName> MutantTurkey: if ARM is for 'public' what time does it start wed ?
[15:00] <InHisName> jedijf: that algorithm thing scheduled 19:00 +2   -->does that equal 5pm our time?
[15:03] <jedijf> Fri 1:00 PM
[15:03] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: ^^
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: i think 12PM
[15:05] <MutantTurkey> not sure
[15:09] <MutantTurkey> mplayer GROUP2_first\ 10.m4v  -vo png -vf crop=200:200:25:25 -ao nul -fps 30
[15:15] <MutantTurkey> i'maboss
[15:39] <MutantTurkey> make that 3 minutes on my i5 vs 2-3 hours
[15:58] <MutantTurkey> why does anyone use eclipse?
[15:58] <MutantTurkey> it's retard.
[15:59]  * passstab is on geany (as he's a n00b)
[15:59] <adom> i forget that command line file manager thats kind of like a gui
[15:59] <adom> commander?
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> mc
[16:00] <MutantTurkey> midnight commander
[16:00] <adom> ahhh there it is thanks
[16:00] <MutantTurkey> passstab: meh geany is not terrible
[16:00] <MutantTurkey> i use kate and vim
[16:00] <passstab> kate?
[16:01] <passstab> ahh kde ide
[16:08] <adom> so i have mint12/gnome3 running on my home desktop now.
[16:08] <adom> i....think....i like it
[16:10] <adom> i mean, i love the graphical interface, and the usage of the start button, but you cant hide the top and bottom taskbars
[16:10] <adom> and other little things that make me not like it
[16:10] <InHisName> the green?
[16:11] <adom> the green's ok
[16:12] <adom> im just saddened that all these new bells and whistles in linux WMs dont satisfy
[16:13] <adom> dont satisfy me
[16:13] <adom> i still prefer ubuntu 10.04 and gnome2 i think
[16:13] <adom> simple, lean, easily customizable
[16:35] <MutantTurkey> http://i.imgur.com/eHatL.jpg
[16:35] <MutantTurkey> nice
[16:49] <passstab> mint 12 sux
[16:50] <passstab> at least with the mate desktop
[16:50] <passstab> i admit i haven't given gnome 3 a far shake
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> http://i.imgur.com/eHatL.jpg
[16:56] <passstab> ?
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> panorama of philly
[16:59] <passstab> yes i see
[17:02] <MutantTurkey> it's nice
[17:02] <MutantTurkey> my building is there
[17:04] <adom> looks nice
[17:06] <InHisName> MutantTurkey owns one of those buildings ?
[17:07] <MutantTurkey> no
[17:07] <MutantTurkey> the one i work at
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> just started using a email client again
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> i like it
[19:10] <Sadin> lol
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> wat
[19:27] <ChinnoDog> gobble


[00:16] <menn0> perrito666: ping
[00:27] <redir> uh, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6938
[00:27] <redir> tough one there, I might self review
[00:29]  * anastasiamac_ looking
[00:29] <anastasiamac_> redir: LGTM \o/
[00:43] <redir> tx anastasiamac_
[01:21] <axw> wallyworld: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1662587, any thoughts on what we can do that doesn't involve going back to what we were doing?
[01:21] <mup> Bug #1662587: 2.1beta5 breaks lxd shared controller <juju:Triaged> <juju 2.1:Triaged by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662587>
[01:24] <wallyworld> axw: so the bug is saying that adding a user, and then having someone else register doesn't work? because that new person doesn't have the credentials cached?
[01:28] <seyeongkim> hello, what can i do if i want to merge 163a221,773fb90 to 2.0.x? lp said only 2.1 and 2.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1622024
[01:28] <mup> Bug #1622024: destroy-unit help text mentions nonexistent remove-services <sts> <usability> <juju:Fix Committed by wallyworld> <juju 2.1:Fix Committed by jameinel> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1622024>
[01:30] <wallyworld> seyeongkim: if you have 2.0.x checked out, you can cherry-pick the commit
[01:31] <seyeongkim> i see wallyworld , will try
[01:31] <wallyworld> seyeongkim: it's a rather cosmetic bug fix though. do you need the CLI help text changed urgently?
[01:31] <wallyworld> 2.1 will be out within a couple of weeks
[01:32] <seyeongkim> no urgent
[01:33] <seyeongkim> thanks wallyworld
[01:33] <wallyworld> sure, anytime
[01:35] <axw> wallyworld: basically yeah. it works if you're the same $USER, because it'll pull the certs out of your $HOME/.config/lxc dir. but in their case, it's an entirely different $USER
[01:35] <axw> wallyworld: I don't think we can support what they were doing without going backwards...
[01:36] <wallyworld> axw: should we consider a controller endpoint where cched creds in controller can be checked?
[01:36]  * wallyworld waves hands
[01:36] <axw> wallyworld: sorry, don't understand
[01:36] <axw> wallyworld: what creds, checked for what?
[01:36] <wallyworld> HO? may be easier to discuss
[01:37] <axw> wallyworld: ok, in 5-10 mins; just preparing lunch
[01:37] <wallyworld> sure no rush
[01:46]  * redir eods
[01:51] <axw> wallyworld: are you free now? 1:1?
[01:51] <wallyworld> yep
[02:06] <axw> wallyworld: it will work, but only if they're using the 2.1-beta5 client. I suspect they're not
[02:07] <wallyworld> axw: good pickup, sounds like it can be closed as "use the current client"
[02:07] <axw> wallyworld: it's not great that it will fail with the old client, but I think it's better than reverting?
[02:14] <wallyworld> axw: i think we can justify it (IMO). there's a work around we can document and it's not a super common use case i don't think
[02:16] <axw> wallyworld: actually I think what they're doing is running from within a container, or some other machine on the same network; not on the host itself
[02:17] <axw> wallyworld: so might need to just make "autoload-credentials" a bit easier
[02:34] <wallyworld> axw: yeah, autoload creds does need some polish in a few places
[02:35] <wallyworld> it was all rushed at last minute to get 2.0 out
[02:35] <wallyworld> axw: could you validate my choice of new skew value on this small PR? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6940
[02:38] <axw> wallyworld: seeing as this is only run on linux, can we just bite the bullet and use a monotonic clock?
[02:38] <wallyworld> axw: i didn't realise there was such a thing
[02:39] <axw> wallyworld: man clock_gettime
[02:39] <wallyworld> axw: so how would that work clustered?
[02:39] <wallyworld> all machines need the same idea of time
[02:39] <wallyworld> ntp achieves that
[02:40] <wallyworld> but it needs make -ve corrections potentially
[02:40] <axw> wallyworld: it's for measuring elapsed time
[02:40] <axw> wallyworld: which IIANM is what we're doing in that code
[02:40] <axw> elapsed time local only
[02:41] <wallyworld> ok, i'll take a look
[02:48] <axw> wallyworld: https://github.com/davecheney/junk/blob/master/clock/clock_linux.go -- just need to include the LICENSE if you use that
[02:49] <wallyworld> axw: MonotonicClock "but is affected by the incremental adjustments performed by adjtime(3) and NTP"
[02:50] <wallyworld> i guess it only goes foreard though
[02:52] <axw> wallyworld: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14270300/what-is-the-difference-between-clock-monotonic-clock-monotonic-raw
[02:52] <axw> explains it better than I could
[02:53] <wallyworld> axw: so it seems monotonic changes frequency to adjust for NTP and eventually syncs up
[02:53] <axw> wallyworld: yep, but it won't jump around
[02:54] <axw> it just adjusts rate of change
[03:10] <wallyworld> thumper: menn0: jam: tech board?
[03:11] <menn0> we are still dealing with the fallout from this prod issue
[03:12] <wallyworld> ok
[03:54] <blahdeblah> axw: That was a nice link
[03:55] <blahdeblah> FTR, I would be very nervous about juju attempting to go the CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW route, given some of the bad clocks I've seen around, esp. in Azure.
[03:56] <axw> blahdeblah: yeah, I don't think it's appropriate for our use case
[04:10] <mup> Bug #1662599 changed: Change maas api and password controller in model already created <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662599>
[04:13] <mup> Bug #1662599 opened: Change maas api and password controller in model already created <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662599>
[04:25] <mup> Bug #1662599 changed: Change maas api and password controller in model already created <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662599>
[06:04] <blahdeblah> Hi all, when logging into mongodb shell per https://github.com/juju/juju/wiki/Login-into-MongoDB, I get a number of recommendations: https://pastebin.canonical.com/178617/
[06:05] <blahdeblah> Is it worth creating a bug for that?
[06:05] <blahdeblah> I wonder some of those things mightn't be contributing causes for our mongodb syncing issues (bug 1647238)
[06:56] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: axw and wallyworld were talking about disabling huge pages yesterday... maybe they can help?
[07:00] <axw> anastasiamac: I believe wallyworld was talking about *hug* pages, and I was merely a an absent target ;p
[07:01] <anastasiamac> axw: :)
[07:16] <blahdeblah> axw: I can think of better things to hug, personally. :-)
[07:17] <blahdeblah> axw: (Than pages, I mean.  I'm sure you're a great huggee.)
[07:17] <axw> blahdeblah: :p
[08:19] <mup> Bug #1510787 changed: juju upgrade-charm errors when it shouldn't <canonical-is> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <postgresql (Juju Charms Collection):Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510787>
[08:45] <babbageclunk> axw: Could you take a look at my openstack provider changes, pretty please? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6943
[08:45] <axw> babbageclunk: sure
[08:45] <babbageclunk> axw: thanks!
[08:49] <mup> Bug #1632909 changed: ceilometer-api fails to start on xenial-newton (maas + lxd) <maas-provider> <uosci> <OpenStack AODH Charm:Triaged> <juju:Incomplete> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <ceilometer (Juju Charms Collection):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1632909>
[08:53] <axw> babbageclunk: don't worry about that VolumeSource thing too much. the API design is a bit broken, I will fix it at some point
[08:53] <axw> what you have is fine
[08:55] <babbageclunk> axw: great, thanks
[09:11] <wallyworld> axw: i've pushed up a juju/utils PR and also tweaked the juju PR for clock skew. got to fix a few tests and add deps change, but have to head out for a bit. i also need to live test etc but the basis should be there. the monotonic clock implementation doesn't return a true time.Time but it does work cross platform
[09:12] <wallyworld> axw: oh saw your comment - i just didn't want the hassle of 2 implementstions, or an implementation on linux and a no-op elsewhere
[09:13] <wallyworld> nanotine() is implemented cross platform in the run time isn't it?
[09:13] <axw> wallyworld: I think so. but there's more than one compiler, and more than one runtime...
[09:13] <wallyworld> seems to be a popular approach to the problem
[09:13] <wallyworld> ok, i do the linux only thing then
[09:14] <axw> wallyworld: never mind, it's probably academic
[09:15] <axw> wallyworld: just leave it and we'll change it if necessary
[09:16] <wallyworld> ok
[09:16] <axw> wallyworld: utils PR is approved
[09:16] <axw> looking at other one now
[09:17] <wallyworld> ty, am late bbiab, will fix test setc then
[10:31] <hoenir> Hi guys
[10:32] <hoenir> So for a day I'm trying to make the oracle provider add custom cloud definitions. In order to communicate with the oracle rest api the client needs to specify the Identity Domain name and I'm trying to make the add-cloud command add this yaml field.
[10:33] <hoenir> So I've tried to write the CloudSchema return the correct pointer to jsonsmecham.Smecha struct
[10:34] <hoenir> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23953504/
[10:34] <hoenir> What I'm I missing here?
[10:35] <hoenir> When I launch the add-cloud command it's printing me to add the identity domain and after the commands finished writing the clouds.yaml it does not add this attribute.
[10:36] <hoenir> Also I found this https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/staging/cloud/clouds.go#L106
[10:37] <hoenir> Is there a way how to write in this attribute when the provider reads the clouds definition on bootstrap?
[10:38] <hoenir> Is there anyone that knows or can point me into the right direction?
[10:41] <hoenir> here is an example interacting with the add-cloud cmd
[10:41] <hoenir> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23953549/
[10:42] <hoenir> sorry for the spelling issues. As you can see these does not write the identity-domain provided in the cmd interaction.
[10:42] <hoenir> It is because the CloudSchema definition provided is somehow off?
[10:46] <hoenir> Or there is now wat to do this and I should add some custom interactive code into the FinalizeCredential?
[10:46] <hoenir> like in the azure provider?
[11:37] <mup> Bug #1662857 opened: cannot go get the source code  <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662857>
[11:55] <mup> Bug #1662857 changed: cannot go get the source code  <juju-core:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662857>
[11:58] <mup> Bug #1662857 opened: cannot go get the source code  <juju-core:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662857>
[12:28] <perrito666> morning
[12:38] <jam> morning perrito666
[13:19] <SimonKLB> is there a problem when a normal machine and the controller machine are on different addresses?
[13:19] <SimonKLB> im unable to ssh into a machine that is on a different ip-range using GCE as provider
[13:20] <SimonKLB> with `juju ssh` that is, ssh:ing into the machine normally works fine
[13:21] <SimonKLB> nvm, that wasnt the problem, now i cant ssh into a machine on the same range - really odd because other machines in the same model works fine
[13:23] <SimonKLB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23954247/
[13:23] <SimonKLB> any ideas?
[14:15] <deanman> SimonKLB, cloud provider?
[14:15] <SimonKLB> deanman: google
[14:18] <deanman> SimonKLB, can you access any app on that model ?
[14:19] <deanman> SimonKLB, i had almost a similar problem with openstack where additional units of the same app weren't assigned a public IP, which resulted only being able to ssh into only one at a time.
[14:20] <SimonKLB> deanman: that shouldnt be the problem, i can see the public ips fine
[14:20] <SimonKLB> deanman: not sure what you mean by accessing the app though?
[14:21] <deanman> SimonKLB, this was my issue, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1655383, seems though unrelated to yours
[14:21] <mup> Bug #1655383: When deploying multiple units of the same charm on top of openstack mitaka only one is assigned a floating IP <eda> <network> <juju:Triaged> <juju 2.1:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1655383>
[14:24] <SimonKLB> deanman: might be related, but in my case i all the machines get assigned a floating/external ip
[14:24] <SimonKLB> im also able to ssh to them via the GCE console without any issue
[14:24] <deanman> SimonKLB, next thing i could think is that somehow "security groups" are different for machine #3 and #4
[14:25] <deanman> could it be that #4 has different security groups and somehow the ssh port is blocked? Can you ssh from #3 to #4 ?
[14:27] <SimonKLB> deanman: i have no idea why, but now, an hour later they are all accessable
[14:27] <SimonKLB> havent changed a thing
[14:27] <SimonKLB> have even worked in a different provider since then
[14:27] <deanman> maybe infra glitch ;-)
[14:27] <SimonKLB> haha, let's hope so :)
[14:27] <SimonKLB> i'll re-run the tests
[14:39] <deanman> Got a question for the devs, I'm running juju agent inside corporate network and i have to go through proxy. I'm using nc for most of my ssh needs but don't know how to make it work with juju so i can access my aws models. Any hints?
[14:57] <hoenir> can anyone advice me, If I have a constrains let's say cpu-power and the provider does not support passing constraints like cpu how can I manage with the constraints.Validator methods this issue? I've already used the Unsupported methods but it seems this does not do anything to alert the client in someway if the constraint passed is valid or not for the provider
[14:57] <hoenir> constraint*
[14:57] <hoenir> can anyone provide some insight in this situation?
[14:58] <perrito666> hoenir: I believe we are currently silent if a constraint is ignored with a provider
[14:58] <perrito666> sinzui: you have tried all providers, what can you tell about this?
[14:59] <hoenir> So informing the user with warningf is bad technique?
[15:00] <sinzui> perrito666: your are correct, juju siltenly ignore constraints that are not relavant.
[15:00] <hoenir> so it's ok if I inform the user?
[15:00] <hoenir> of this?
[15:00] <hoenir> in the bootstrap process
[15:00] <hoenir> ?
[15:00] <hoenir> with warningf?
[15:01] <perrito666> hoenir: yes, absolutely
[15:01] <perrito666> but we wont stop juju for it
[15:01] <hoenir> yeah:)
[15:02] <perrito666> just warn or even info about
[15:02] <hoenir> thanks !
[15:02] <hoenir> I think warn is better suited for this situation
[15:02] <perrito666> hoenir: mm, I think you are correct, if the user is dealing with constraints its most likely watching warn
[15:03] <perrito666> sorry for the delay I was afk
[15:03] <hoenir> thanks !
[15:07] <hoenir> smt like this.
[15:07] <hoenir> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23954775/
[15:49] <jam> perrito666: if you get a chance, a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6944
[16:30] <perrito666> postponing the air conditioning in my office was the worse idea I had In my life
[16:35] <perrito666> jam: ship it
[16:36] <perrito666> jam: special kudos for the doc in NewLXDBroker
[16:39] <redir> morning juju-dev o/
[16:40] <perrito666> redir: morning
[16:44] <alexisb> morning redir
[16:45] <redir> \o
[17:48] <cory_fu> Does Juju (2.1-beta5) support running lxd on a port other than 8443?
[17:57] <cory_fu> Specifically, I'm trying to use the snap to run beta5 alongside stable (via apt), and am hitting a bind conflict: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23955676/
[19:31] <redir> cory_fu: sorry, I am unfamiliar with the lxd code.
[20:03] <babbageclunk> morning people!
[20:27] <thumper> o/
[20:30] <perrito666> morning thumper
[20:47] <alexisb> morning thumper
[20:55] <perrito666> thumper: btw, I addressed your comments in https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6763 and mentioned you to re check it, could you take a look when you are not working on urgent stuff?
[20:55]  * perrito666 knows he just wrote a blank check to thumper
[20:56] <thumper> perrito666: ok, will try to look shortly
[20:56]  * perrito666 is fighting to take his PR queue to 0
[22:31] <alexisb> perrito666, ping
[22:31] <perrito666> alexisb: pong
[22:32] <alexisb> release call
[22:32] <perrito666> ah sorry was concentrated on a critical I just introduced
[22:32] <perrito666> going
[22:49] <redir> anyone https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6947
[23:23] <cory_fu> Are old revisions of a resource cleaned up ever?  I'm revving on a charm with a fairly sizable resource and after a couple of times updating the resource, the controller seems to run out disk
[23:25] <menn0> perrito666: if you're not EOD after you finish your HO can you please ping me about this migration issue. I have some thoughts.
[23:28] <perrito666> menn0: certainly, I foresee that my EOD is far :)
[23:29] <perrito666> menn0: I might ask you to HO , I am a bit sick of writing :p[
[23:32] <menn0> perrito666: sure
[23:32] <menn0> perrito666: now
[23:32] <menn0> ?
[23:33] <perrito666> menn0: this is the cause https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/49316b2 I am running this test to try to understand how this change caused this
[23:33] <perrito666> menn0: no, still on a call
[23:33] <menn0> perrito666: let me know when you're off
[23:34] <perrito666> menn0: I will <cries in spanish>
[23:40] <perrito666> menn0: standup call?
[23:40] <menn0> perrito666: yep
[23:40] <wallyworld> cory_fu: there may have been an issue at one point.... what version of juju are you running? menn0 do you know if we fixed tht?
[23:42] <cory_fu> wallyworld: 2.0.2  I can re-test on 2.1-beta5 tomorrow if it's likely to have been fixed
[23:43] <wallyworld> cory_fu: I *think* so but will need confirmation as I didn't work on it myself
[23:43] <cory_fu> Ok.  Thanks
[23:43] <wallyworld> menn0 is on a call, he will respond soon
[23:45] <axw> wallyworld: reviewed your PR
[23:45] <wallyworld> ty
[23:46] <wallyworld> axw: end-beginning check should never fail now - i just thought defensively best to keep it?
[23:47] <wallyworld> axw: standup?
[23:47] <axw> wallyworld: oops, coming
[23:50] <axw> wallyworld: feel free to leave it, just my preference


[12:14] <hjd> Hi all
[12:14] <penguin42> hey
[12:16] <hjd> I'm sitting here looking at bug 1260484, bug 1357728 and bug 1432417. These three all seem to be similar/same, does it seem reasonable to mark two of them as duplicates of the first one?
[12:17] <penguin42> yes, looks like it to me
[12:21] <hjd> penguin42: Ok, thanks :)
[12:25] <penguin42> wrangling dupes is quite useful - you can often find lots at once
[12:31] <hjd> Indeed, I think a single bug report affecting 20 people says a lot more than 12 separate ones... :)
[12:31] <penguin42> yes
[12:43] <hjd> Another thing, I realize it's the middle of summer, but I remember it being more discussions in this channel.
[12:43] <hjd> Are people hanging out somewhere else, or  are they just quiet in the background? :)
[12:44] <penguin42> yes, most of the channels seem to be quieter these days :-(


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 @TheImpulson, Linux Mint doesn't even have OS version upgrades
 @Lorxu, who said that???? I did update from 18.1 to 18.2 recently.
 Wow did that FINALLY change?
 Every single time I checked that wasn't supported without reinstalling
 Last time you checked?
 Half a year ago or so
 Unless I was given bad info back then. Haven't checked myself in ages because I don't trust the Mint team
 @Mohannes, This is bot ?🙄
 I like the bot
 @UniversalSuperBox, .
 @neothethird, +1
 @bhushanshah, Why is it been removed?
 Idk
 The message was a bit long, I agree. But to remove such a friendly face.... harsh :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, I forgive you Dalton
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, agreed
 @vanyasem, So, let the people take care of the people ?
 Im looking to make some kind of starter package that newcomers can view and know the basics of the project. Any suggenstions, besides the so rudly killed welcome bot? #neverforget #wewillovercome #RIPbot
 @Mohannes, jep
 Is there a way to move contacts from the "Personal address book" to my gmail address book in UT? The contacts app defaults to saving contacts to "Personal" and once saved, there seem to be no way to edit this field.
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 I want to change mixer_paths.xml file in N5, seems that its located under /android/system and /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs. Can I mount it writable like "sudo mount -o remount,rw /android/system"
 @Mohannes, 'Equipped and comfortable' sounds rather peculiar in English 🤔
 @Stereofont, Haha, tell that to @wayneoutthere. He went over it with his Canadian Spelling wizardry. ;)
 I agree with you Lionel, Canadian are weird :P
 @Mohannes, A private message with information would be the best use of a bot but that could result in the bot being banned for spamming. Telegram rules ought to recognise the need though?
 Exactly my point. A personal and privat approach is the best thing to communicate and help newcomers. Unfortunately, we do not have time or  want to put in the effort to do this. Furhtermore, within a 1000 members strong group, newcomers often feel like anoutsider. I want to do something about it.
 @Mohannes, 'Feeling at home and have all the information you need' sounds less like a fetish party 😎
 Was thinking on making a pdf/webpage/leaflet/handout/link so that the newcomer knows the basics.
 @Stereofont, whats wrong with that? haha
 @Mohannes, An audiocast link?
 @Stereofont, Great idea! @wayneoutthere is it possible to make a newsdeks-like intro for newcomers?
[09:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Both ideas sound much better
[09:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> compared to the bot
 If a bot was set up as a user it could send that in pm? doesn't matter too much if it gets banned?
 Would that be possible?
 Would be awesome.
 Maybe @flohack contacts can advise how to do that within the rules?
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/next-steps-for-wayland-support/1122
[11:08] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> (Photo, 2560x325) https://irc.ubports.com/8br6SlLP/file_1517.jpg
 the first one (up) is better
[11:10] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> is Stefano Verzegnassi on this channel?
[11:10] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> i felt the top arrow is much sharper
 because the seccond one (bottom) makes the text harder to read IMHO
 not enouch space between the text
[11:11] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> the one on the bottom is more smoother
 but i kinda like better teh less sharper arrows in the second one (buttom)
 @popescu_sorin, +1
[11:15] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> (Photo, 2560x500) https://irc.ubports.com/U7Bn20q2/file_1519.jpg
[11:15] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> Now
[11:15] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> the last one has more space but thinner arrows
[11:17] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> actually i didn't change the space in the second one. i made the arrows thinner thats all
 now it's better. the last one IMHO
 1 or 3 are both ok
[11:17] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> just felt that thinner arrows was closer to the rest of Ubuntu Touch inerface
[11:18] <tgBot> <Nithin Padavu> interface*
 ok so.. 3 is teh best for me
 @Nithin Padavu, What with the 1 but less side padding?
 the problem with the first one is that any breadcrumb cell eats to much into the next
 That's why i suggest a mockup try with a little but less padding (but without much hope)
 :D
 @popescu_sorin, I like your new avatar ^^
 hehe it's from Rick and Morty
 pickle rick!!
 :))
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/3XQRMbPX/file_1520.mp4
 yep :))
 @Nithin Padavu, Yes, I'm here :)
 Thanks for the discussion, the third proposal is much better
 (Photo, 845x410) https://irc.ubports.com/NHSTO5YG/file_1522.jpg Here's the test w/ real File Manager. … 1) arrow width: 2gu (current) … 2) arrow width: 1.5gu … 3) arrow width: 1gu
 @sverzegnassi, Ah, the in-situ mockup make the choice more clever 👍👌
 @sverzegnassi, Option 2.
 @samitormanen, I now think of the new option 3
 I think angle should match with other system and apps shape
 3. option isnt bad either. First is too sharp..
 @samitormanen, True
 @sverzegnassi, For accessibility, 2 is better than 3. I speak as someone older …
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/10JLg9OR/file_1524.jpg
 @Stereofont, Yes, that's the point. We can't reduce too much the width of those elements, as we need to support touch inputs as well
 I meant vision but that too
 I might try to mix 2 and 3, reducing the width of the arrow, but keeping the overall width of the elements untouched
 Shallow angle gets interpreted as a straight line
 @sverzegnassi, +1
 btw.. where is the actual hitbox?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HXChyHK5/file_1526.jpg
 (Photo, 720x105) https://irc.ubports.com/0yMZJo9l/file_1528.jpg
 😆
 right, that's my main trouble with sharp arrows, it confuses the brain where the actual hitbox is
 I was re-checking too, cause I wasn't sure 😂
 :))
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0Pkq2yEJ/file_1530.jpg Anyway, these are my last three proposals. Can't tweak the size of the arrow any further, let me know :)
 2 or 3 are both fine IMHO, maybe 3 more :P
 1 maybe it's a bit hard to touch
 I'm for the third too, it's the one I would like to ship in the next development build
 Huh, btw, @popescu_sorin do you have any spare Meizu Pro 5 w/ Ubuntu?
 nope
 only mx4
 @popescu_sorin, I would i've think that the right side of arrow would be part of hiybox of the left element, since the leftest item would be arrow less and the rightest item would have a parent less arrow
 Huh, ok. I hoped to find someone who could test me the fingerprint support in File Manager before releasing the testing build ^^
 @arudy, Do i make sens?
 @arudy, mine is not the correnct one
 @sverzegnassi, @arudy this is the right one
 @popescu_sorin, Oh true. I didnt even zoomed the image's telegram thumbnail, didnt see the hitbox. Makes sens to me :)
 @sverzegnassi, I can
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 @Nithin Padavu, 2nd one is better
 @Mohannes, people don't do that....
 It is less sharp and takes less space
 Also we can see complete location of file from that
 @Mohannes, equipped with links. … comfortable with the group. … Feeling free to speak and equipped with tools. … Help me understand how to say that better and we will happily insert ;)
 @sverzegnassi, 1gu
 @Stereofont, What if you are in deep folder , and you can't see complete location
 @sverzegnassi, 3 good
 Second one for me
 3 is for me
 3 for me :)
[13:30] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, They were just kidding, but what do You think Wayne about the welcome audiocast link?
 @Milan Korecky, already thinking and talking about it in marketing group...  something interesting for sure.
 we believe there should be a welcome bot, for now, but the text should be *extremely reduced*.  Working on this now.
[13:31] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Nevertheless it will promote to listen your all audiocast
 Would anyone be interested in joining a 'wecoming team'?  This is my idea... have a team of about 50 people who's only job is to simply welcome new people...
 My idea is basically a 'copy/paste' of the bot stuff but sent personally
 Ok, I think we have a clear winner. I'd say we can stop with the poll, so we don't spam this channel any further … Option 3 will be tested it in the next dev release, so we can see if it really works for everyone. Thank you all! :)
[13:34] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> And did you saw the link Popescu sent with the two windows in one screen?: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/next-steps-for-wayland-support/1122
[13:35] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, It would have to be organized, timing, who when responsible
 not really.  i'll explain in detail my idea once it's pieced togerther
[13:37] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> OK
 Does anyone has a clue why OMGUBUNTU! does not post a thing about UBports? Is he hurt, in some way, with UBports? 😐
 @Gabigol, I don't know. But Joey seems interested in desktop. Likely UBports is mostly off his radar. Why not offer a guest post?
[13:47] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> It could be, and in the past I thought he was engaged
 Ubuntu touch could one of the best smartphone OS in near future 😊
 Fixing this before android could be a good point IMO https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/303
 @garrogarri, Yup
 Hello guys! I left Nexus 5 in standby with Ubuntu at 3% battery. After half an hour I find it at 11% ... Explanations? (without charging)
 magic✨
 @GiovanniStaiano, New Ut feature 😊
 lol, maybe bug
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/lKGSYE1J/file_1531
 Now 12%
 ugh
 @sk8higher, Maybe battery is degrading
 @GiovanniStaiano, Ubuntu power XD😂
 (Sticker, 512x92) https://irc.ubports.com/FnY10hVf/file_1532
 There were battery bugs in past but got fixed I u think. Maybe it's the children of the father bug
 Lol
 If you can maybe report it
 If other people find that problem too it will be looked at
 How can I report it?
 @UniversalSuperBox ^^
 github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/ has everything you'll need!
 Ah, good thing that redirects.
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 hello Victor
 Victor  welcome to ubports :)
 Hi victor and welcome to the UBports Supergroup. I am reaching-out to you so you are able to get set-up rather quickly. … - If you have any questions please ask them directly in this group :). … - Most of your basic answers can be found at www.ubports.com. … - For FAQ please visit https://ubports.com/page/frequently-asked-questions. … - Looking for a way to participate or contribute within development/marketing or in any way? Contact @mohann
[15:27] <tgBot> for a press package of spokesperson? Contact @mohannes … - For any other question, remark or just a basic cosy conversation, @mohannes is your guy :) … Hopefully you will have a great time in this UBports Supergroup, a huge and still growing group of Ubuntu Touch fans, participants and developers all together. … Have a nice day!
 Poor @Mohannes 😅
 Lol I copied from above😂
 @Pawangond, The reason to delete the bot was to not get this huge message. 😝
 OK, so here is what we are working on to help with this situation.  We are planning on launching a First Responders team whose mission it is to PM new members with greetings and salutations.
 Okay I will send daily once in the morning
 @Crash_Burn, 🤣🤣
 This will solve a couple issues.  Keep chatter off the main group while maintaing a consistant experience with new users.
 Instead of $name it will be Hello Newbies
 We will be launching shortly and will be looking for anyone that would like to be a First Responder to help with this.
 @Pawangond, That can be done by a bot 😁
 Not quite as human or friendly, though/
 The ultimate goal is to show people that we're here to help and welcome them in, in the hopes that they will want to work with us at some point in return.
 Once a new user joins, it will be the job of a First Responder to start up a conversation with new user and provide any help/guidance they might need.
 @Crash_Burn, Nice idea btw
 We would like to create some common themes and a unified message to maintain brand image and success for UBports.
 @Crash_Burn, I can help.
 Our community is incredible and super helpful.  So proud of all you guys.
 PM me with comments and interest.
 Fix my tree for me and show your help. 😂
 @UniversalSuperBox, We might need to create a super ai whose goal is to help ubports and then the ai grows intelligent enough to make his human body and transform from only ai to a human being . And his sole purpose of existance is to greet people in the group and help newbies. 😁
 @TheImpulson, Have you tried a chainsaw?
 And if anyone needs suggestions or anything , can pm me , I have super good choice😊
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/xuZW9Rxm/file_1533.mp4
 Z00L still gives me bootloops
 😶
 It's good it is giving you something and not taking away🙄
 @Pawangond, I liked the joke. but in seriousness It is taking away the time. 😁
 Would it be prudent to make some sort of 'Sudoku task force' for solving problems with making 16.04 running on 7.1? @vanyasem @TheImpulson?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Define Sudoku again as you did earlier but to me.
 er...
 Ubports runs on donation or there are sponsors or anything else
 You said you were getting boot loops?
 Yes. So?
 On what?
 Z00L
 @Pawangond, https://ubports.com/page/sponsors shows how we're funded. :)
 @TheImpulson, But what are you trying to run on it?
 Halium
 Oh, just the reference rootfs? In that case, @halium is the place to be.
 I am there and I am told how to fix it too. I am just lazy to do a build and make it work. 🤐
 oh.
 I love Android more so I build ROM more.
 Z00L aka Asus Zenfone 2 Laser ?
 Yes.
 cool
 oh it's intel?
 [ROM][7.1.2_r29][OFFICIAL][Z00T]  AospExtended ROM V4.6 [OMS/DUI] … https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-2-laser/development/rom-aospextended-rom-v4-5-t3659324
 No Qcom
 @TheImpulson, This is one of my XDA thread.
 oh
 :D
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/gTuL5eDk/file_1534.mp4
 Hi all :)
 I have some trouble installing ubport on my fairphone 2.
 I am using the ubport installer appimage on fedora. Most of the processus goes well, but when i put my phone into recovery mode, my laptop can't find it anymore
 Does it boot to "ubports recovery"?
 "Adb device" prints nothing.
 Yes, it does
 Alright
 Can you run `dmesg -w` and then plug in the device?
 And let's see what prints out at the end
[16:08] <ioioio> Hi, does Touch work nowadays with LTE in the US?
 On a device that supports US LTE bands, sure
[16:10] <ioioio> So, there shouldn't be issues with my provider in the US?
 If the device supports the bands for the network, yes
 It's hardware support, not software
[16:10] <ioioio> So, as long as I have a supported smartphone then it should work...I see. Thanks. Lots has changed
 Right. The Nexus 5 is a generally good option if you need CDMA... at least I think the Nexus 5 has a CDMA radio
 I actually don't have one to test
[16:12] <ioioio> K, thanks <3
 Did you get that running at all, Victor ?
 Yeah, sorry, got distracted in the worst possible moment
 I'm reinstalling right now
 @Victor, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 Yup, dmesg says the fairphone connects
 Hmm. Just one thing I'd want to try. One moment
 `echo "0x2ae5" >> ~/.android/adb_usb.ini`
 In a terminal
 Then do `adb kill-server` and `adb devices` again
 "no such file or directory"
 Oh. `mkdir ~/.android` first.
 yep, it worked
 Thank you :)
 Oh, and now you're able to install too?
 It's installing. We'll see if it finishes
 I have crumy internet, it might take a while
 @Crash_Burn, According to the rules an unauthorised pm = spam. Sending a pm to ask if it us okay to send a pm = spam 😂
 sudo export send-pm_if_user_allows := true
 Okay, the installation worked. I now have a ubuntu devcie and it gorgeous :)
 Thank you
 Yay! files bug
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/e8GJ2uuh/file_1535.mp4
 Is the openStore supposed to be the place I get apps ?
 I get pure white. Nothing in the store :(
 Victor you need an active internet connection
 for the store to work
 Well, I'm connected to wifi
 check in the browser if it actually works :D
 yes, i can browse the internet
 @Victor, restart open store or better restart the phone after first boot.
 Done multple times already :(
 I have the same issue. Sometimes I have to restart the apps to get them running
 Especially internet related apps.
 I had that too, it got the tip to
 Doesn't work for me.  I'm going to try using  VPN. Maybe I'm in the wrong country
 Ok, the problem was hat the phone though it was january 1970
 classic
 It is. Ubuntu Store will be dismissed by the end of the year
 Victor , which version of UT did you install? 16.04?
 OpenStore uses HTTPS, does not work with wrong date in system
 Yes. I am getting the blue screen bug with the other versions
 Yes, It's working now :)
 Hmm. Just tried to reproduce your error, Victor, but couldn't
 By that I mean, I stood up a fresh install of Fedora and tried to use the AppImage to install UBports on my FP2. Worked flawlessly. :(
 Ok weird. Anything I can do to help ?
 Which version of Fedora are you using?
 26
 up to date and everything
 Did you have adb installed prior to trying it out?
 Can't remember. I tried installing 1 or 2 months ago and got the blue screen bug
 I might have messed up my adb now that you mention it
 Maybe that's what happened. I'll keep it in mind for next time.
 Well... now I have an install of Fedora.
 Hehe, sorry :P
 Not a problem! I needed to get the ol' convertible going anyway
 (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/7s06DZ4n/file_1536.webp
 @Stereofont, we need to chill out here.  Picture this, you're at a cocktail party and you don't know *anyone*.  There are 900 people in the room.  Will you be angry if the nice person walks up and says 'May I show you where the buffet table is?" Or, 'May I take you to the group of people who like weather and sports?"  No, you will be very happy and feel good.  So this is not spam.   New rule book.
[18:56] <tgBot> <Marty McFly> I can install java normally?
[18:56] <tgBot> <Marty McFly> I want to use i2p router anybody tried?
[18:57] <xorpad> on ubuntu touch?
[18:57] <xorpad> you'd need to get openjdk-8 running
 Marty you're better off trying to get i2pd running
 it's less mature than the java implementation but it's better suited for a mobile device
 i2pd is a c++ implementation made by mostly psi
[19:05] <xorpad> psi says i2pd depends on libssl and boost... so that should be an easy port
[19:18] <tgBot> <Marty McFly> So how is the way to install? I dont understand. If i try to add the i2pr repository, i get a command not foud message xD
 you would have to compile the dependencies and i2pd and then staticly link them launch the it via the terminal
 it's not ready to go, you'd be building it from sources
 @Marty McFly, With Libertine probably
 keep in mind the i2p java router eats a lot of cpu and ram
 it will be even more power hungry when it has to fall back to java after realizing it can't use it's x86 assembly optimizations
[19:59] <tgBot> <Marty McFly> Ye okay so i would like to try the c++ version. I dont know exactly how compiling is done do you have tutorials for this? I can compile on my tower system and then upload or i need to work on phone? Thanks
 @wayneoutthere, I don't disagree at all. Telegram seems to have some odd ideas though
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[02:40] <Memorex636> whats the current status of the nvidia graphics drivers with Mythbuntu 12.04.. i know normal ubuntu was having issues...
[02:41] <tgm4883> uh, working?
[02:42] <tgm4883> I didn't know normal ubuntu was having issues
[02:42] <tgm4883> it works fine on my Ubuntu desktop
[02:42] <Memorex636> yea there was alot of talk about using the older drivers vs the current
[02:43] <Memorex636> might have been a unity issue too
[02:43] <Memorex636> it was causing me headaches
[02:43] <tgm4883> I'm using the current-updates driver in jockey
[02:43] <tgm4883> and I have unity
[02:43] <Memorex636> but my card is really old
[02:44] <tgm4883> what card?
[02:44] <Memorex636> 8800gtx
[02:44] <tgm4883> so what is the problem?
[02:45] <Memorex636> it would  cause ubuntu to freeze up
[02:45] <tgm4883> using the older drivers?
[02:45] <Memorex636> untill you could log out and in to 2d
[02:46] <Memorex636> I was having issues with the resolution
[02:46] <Memorex636> after i loaded the old drivers
[02:46] <Memorex636> and the new ones would freeze.... I havent had that issue with mythbuntu tho
[02:47] <tgm4883> well that sounds like a unity issue completely
[02:47] <tgm4883> since it's fine in unity 2d
[02:47] <tgm4883> mythbuntu doesn't use unity
[02:47] <Memorex636> yea
[02:47] <Memorex636> another reason why i reinstalled for it
[02:48] <Memorex636> its been a learning experince
[03:08] <Memorex636> does bluray work?
[03:53] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: i used the username i log into that runs mythfrontend
[03:54] <Shadow__X> that was in reference to trying to install jwflash in mythbackend:6544
[03:54] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, thats the wrong username I think
[03:54] <tgm4883> IIRC, you want mythtv:<password from mysql.txt>
[03:54] <Shadow__X> ok what username should i use then? mythtv?
[03:54] <tgm4883> probably
[03:55] <Shadow__X> yeah i tried mythtv as user and password from that file
[03:55] <Shadow__X> i even tried logging in from termimnal with those credentials and it didnt work
[05:03] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: its a special username for that I think
[05:03] <rhpot1991> lets see if I can remember it
[05:04] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: admin:mythtv
[05:05] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: HLS is currently broken too
[05:05] <rhpot1991> I believe a fix was committed last night, so whenever we build again
[05:09] <Shadow__X> ok i pulled in 7/12 build and its still broken so i am thinking by next week the commit will be in the mythbuntu builds right?
[05:12] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: 7/12 is close, might be in there
[05:12] <rhpot1991> unfortunately I don't know the commit for the fix
[05:12] <rhpot1991> try it an dsee
[05:13] <Shadow__X> MythTV Version : v0.25.1-62-ge330593 i am running that build and am still having the problem but if there was a commit i will test again in a few days and see how things are
[05:27] <Shadow__X> rhpot1991: i am on 7/12 and still no fix so i will just wait a couple more days. Thanks for the help
[05:34] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: I'll let you know if I see the fix come through
[05:34] <rhpot1991> and no problem
[14:35] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: I hear that HLS is fixed now if you update