[09:32] <zzyber> crimsun, 2.6.10-25.2
[09:32] <crimsun> zzyber: too old. Please update && dist-upgrade
[09:32] <zzyber> crimsun, okey......im on it
[09:32] <crimsun> zzyber: linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-30)  ...  * Fix ahc_dv_0 CPU usage: - Add patch aic7xx-sleep.dpatch. (Closes: #7592)
[09:33] <drbombay43> geneo91: is it a option during install?
[09:33] <zzyber> crimsun, and i have search that but not found it, are u some kind of wiki autoboot :-) Thx
[09:33] <LiberalTugboat> seems like most people are running hoary now
[09:33] <crimsun> zzyber: np
[09:34] <crimsun> LiberalTugboat: yes, since it releases in less than one week :)
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> everyone is impatiant
[09:34] <geneo91> oh install is diff then but you have to use lilo instead of grub then
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I have been running it for almost a month now
[09:34] <drbombay43> geneo91: I ask because I'm getting ready to reinstall
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> calc, what issue?
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> and did you report it to bugzilla?
[09:35] <calc> LiberalTugboat: atapi dma was disabled in the kernels
[09:35] <geneo91> crimsun:  why was i thrown back to xfree86 yesterday
[09:35] <calc> i reported it directly the kernel guys and aiui its already fixed (or will be rsn)
[09:35] <calc> well not really just disabled but made to where atapi could not be enabled
[09:36] <calc> er where dma could not be enabled for atapi mean
[09:36] <LiberalTugboat> hmm
[09:36] <crimsun> geneo91: I have no idea, I haven't touched XFree86 since I started running Hoary.  What happened?
[09:36] <LiberalTugboat> well it is crunch time for them, things will still slip through
[09:36] <calc> so for example you can not enable dma for a dvd writer
[09:37] <calc> yea
[09:37] <calc> afaik its been that way since nov
[09:37] <calc> i just don't use my optical drive often so i just now noticed it
[09:37] <geneo91> crimsun:  i dunno i was just updating as i do daily
[09:37] <LiberalTugboat> I bet the main release team gets less the 10 hours of sleep between now and wednesday
[09:37] <calc> there were a few bug reports about it, but it seems the people that dealt with them didn't realize what the reporter was saying
[09:38] <geneo91> calc:  my dma is enabled
[09:38] <calc> geneo91: platform?
[09:38] <calc> geneo91: and is that on atapi or a hd?
[09:38] <geneo91> at least it says it is
[09:39] <calc> 2.6.10?
[09:39] <geneo91> hoary
[09:39] <geneo91> hard to say i have many things here
[09:39] <LiberalTugboat> I have been able to enable DMA on my dvd/cdrw
[09:39] <Xeon3D> F*CK... that's why I couldn't burn at more than 2x...
[09:39] <calc> hmm interesting
[09:39] <lunitik> geneo91: platform = x86/amd64/ia64/mac
[09:39] <Xeon3D> :(
[09:40] <calc> it may be that you can still enable it on i386
[09:40] <geneo91> scsi ide mix writers for both
[09:40] <folta> hey all, does anyone know how to get mplayer to play nice with realaudio files? it recognizes the type but it can't seem to oad the codecs
[09:40] <Freezer|> Hi, I need image magick for Typo3 but the current php version (PHP Version 4.3.10-10ubuntu3) is not compiled with imagick . Do I have to compile my own PHP-Version?
[09:40] <LiberalTugboat> Im running i686 kernal
[09:40] <geneo91> x86 smp
[09:40] <calc> from what i have read on the bug report ppc can't and i have amd64 which can't
[09:41] <geneo91> calc:  686
[09:41] <calc> so maybe the i386 version of that is buggy or something
[09:41] <Bazzi> Freezer| I think theres php4-imagick apt-getable
[09:41] <calc> since the doc makes it sound like it should be disabled so that you can't turn it on
[09:41] <calc> and hdparm says operation not permitted (not failed)
[09:42] <LiberalTugboat> you trying with sudo? (stupid question)
[09:42] <calc> yes
[09:42] <geneo91> calc:  mine was done by defaults
[09:42] <calc> works fine on a knoppix i386 2.6.9 kernel
[09:42] <Xeon3D> maybe it depends on your chipset?
[09:42] <Freezer|> Bazzi, I know. I have installed it with apt-get and added the line extension=imagick.so to php.ini but Typo3 doesn't recognize imagick.
[09:42] <calc> its via
[09:42] <geneo91> via here
[09:43] <calc> but it would say operation failed if it wasn't working
[09:43] <calc> so its a kernel blocking thing
[09:43] <calc> as a user you would get this:
[09:43] <calc>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Permission denied
[09:43] <calc> kernel blocking (apparently):
[09:43] <calc>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:43] <Freezer|> I think the reason is that the PHP Version is not compiled with imagick
[09:43] <calc> when the drive doesn't support something:
[09:43] <calc>  HDIO_SET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument
[09:43] <geneo91> appollo 13pro
[09:44] <calc> geneo91: mine is vt8237
[09:44] <geneo91> 133
[09:44] <calc> seems to be an arch related issue
[09:44] <Bazzi> Freezer| weird. did you restart apache?
[09:44] <Freezer|> Yes
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> amanda@ubuntulaptop:~$ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> Password:
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> /dev/dvd:
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> works for me
[09:46] <Bazzi> Freezer| well, usually, apache crashes if you dont have the extension but enable it in php.ini. does phpinfo() say its loaded?
[09:47] <calc> LiberalTugboat: arch i386?
[09:47] <Freezer|> no
[09:47] <LiberalTugboat> yeah
[09:47] <LiberalTugboat> but I use 686 kernel
[09:47] <calc> LiberalTugboat: yea same thing
[09:47] <Freezer|> phpinfo says nothing about imagick
[09:48] <matthewrevell> Morning all
[09:48] <LiberalTugboat> calc, have you tried the i386 version
[09:48] <LiberalTugboat> like maybe the live cd
[09:48] <Freezer|> mysql , gd is supported
[09:48] <LiberalTugboat> see if that works
[09:48] <calc> LiberalTugboat: i have tried a knoppix disk that didn't have it enabled already
[09:49] <calc> i suppose i could download the live cd and try it with the ubuntu kernel
[09:49] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I would give it a shot
[09:49] <geneo91> calc:  cant be the case for either both let me enable dma
[09:49] <LiberalTugboat> I would try it on amd64, but I cant afford the parts (I could try it at work though)
[09:50] <calc>                          * MAJOR HACK BARF :-/
[09:50] <Freezer|> I am going to reinstall the package of php4-imagick
[09:53] <RexM> how's the install with ubuntu? easy like red hat? or hard like gentoo?
[09:54] <linuxboy> RexM: easy like debian
[09:54] <Bazzi> it does everything automagically
[09:54] <RexM> linuxboy: i've never installed debian, lol
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> RexM, easiest there is
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> well not easier then mepis
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> but close
[09:54] <RexM> ok, i wanted to make sure i didn't need to print out a manual or something before i went ahead with it
[09:54] <spear> hi !
[09:54] <crimsun> if you're staring at the installer more than once, there are serious problems...
[09:55] <super_dude2> i have a problem with soundcard drivers
[09:55] <RexM> ok, well i'll bbl, then.. hopefully on ubuntu.. lol
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> super_dude2, what problema?
[09:55] <crimsun> super_dude2: what sound card? lsmod, lspci (or lspnp), and dmesg output?
[09:56] <mebaran151> make uninstall?  do you need to type uninstall afterward
[09:56] <mebaran151> or does it sort of happen
[09:56] <super_dude2> it willnot detect my soundcard it is builtin and wht the heck is tht
[09:56] <LiberalTugboat> make uninstall
[09:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: type those commands in a terminal and paste the output to http://pastebin.com
[09:57] <super_dude2> ok
[09:57] <Xeon3D> lsmod lspci are commands that check out pci devices on your pc (your integrated one is one of those) and modules loaded
[09:57] <super_dude2> ok
[09:57] <super_dude2> ty
[09:58] <super_dude2> and i have another problem ill tel you later
[09:58] <spear> i didn't check yet, but, by default with ubuntu, in the kernel, most things are loadable as modules ?
[09:58] <spear> or is it a miniimum kernel ???
[10:00] <spear> no idea ?
[10:00] <LiberalTugboat> spear, seems to me that most things are loadable
[10:01] <super_dude2> sorry im taking so long slow computer
[10:01] <geneo91> spear:  its not striped by default
[10:01] <LiberalTugboat> but I could be wrong
[10:01] <spear> that's because i' m testing some Network cards, and was wondering if they had many chances to be detected, and mostly, loaded :)
[10:02] <spear> (these are not recent cards, so i increase my chances :p)
[10:02] <geneo91> spear:  depends
[10:03] <geneo91> most are supported
[10:03] <jeavis> hello
[10:03] <spear> i had an un successful try with an isa card ... i " modprobe ne irq=x io=y" , the module loaded, so ifconfig saw it and i was able to configure it, but never managed to ping anything else than the card itself
[10:03] <jeavis> I need help about samba
[10:04] <spear> hi jeavis
[10:04] <jeavis> hi spear
[10:04] <spear> did you check the unofficial guide ?
[10:04] <jeavis> spear; yes I did all
[10:04] <spear> so what's wrong ?
[10:04] <jeavis> spear; but now how I can access to my pc
[10:04] <super_dude2> ok iv pasted it
[10:04] <jeavis> spear; what do I need
[10:05] <spear> i don' t understand :) ... what do you want to do ?
[10:05] <aesiamun> he wants to samba
[10:05] <spear> you want to share files between your linux & windows machines
[10:06] <jeavis> spear; I want to access my pc from my laptop
[10:06] <calc> to share files get m$ services for unix, or just use samba (ugh)
[10:06] <super_dude2> soundcard problem u heard i posted it?
[10:06] <calc> services for unix being the preferred way
[10:06] <Xeon3D> are they free?
[10:06] <aesiamun> svc doesn't work on win98  do they?
[10:06] <calc> yea
[10:06] <aesiamun> sfu
[10:06] <aesiamun> i mean
[10:06] <calc> aesiamun: oh, probably not
[10:06] <jeavis> spear; I want to access my pc from my laptop
[10:07] <calc> you need w2k or better iirc
[10:07] <geneo91> paynme i'll tell ya
[10:07] <calc> 98 isn't even getting security fixes anymore though (iirc) so its not a good idea to run that at all
[10:07] <jeavis> Hello How I can access my pc from my laptop
[10:07] <aesiamun> calc, tell that to management who needs software to be tested on it.
[10:07] <geneo91> calc:  na win98 is ok
[10:07] <aesiamun> because honestly 50%+ windows users are using win98
[10:08] <super_dude2> jeavis: vnc i use that it works well
[10:08] <geneo91> jeavis:  webmin
[10:08] <calc> i would keep a 98 system physically isolated if it had to be used at all
[10:08] <jeavis> super_dude2; what is vnc
[10:08] <aesiamun> it's internal development and staging area.
[10:08] <aesiamun> it's not available on the internet
[10:08] <LiberalTugboat> (i would keep any windows system isolated)
[10:09] <aesiamun> the interweb is unavailable to it.
[10:09] <spear> did youi install samba ?
[10:09] <super_dude2> jeavis: goto www.realvnc.com it has the stuff there
[10:09] <jeavis> spear; yes
[10:09] <spear> smbfs ?
[10:09] <calc> aesiamun: ah ok
[10:09] <geneo91> calc:  i would keep xp from everything
[10:10] <LiberalTugboat> Windows (the easiest intrusion point in a house) hmm... an interesting choice of name
[10:10] <calc> geneo91: xp at least gets security fixes eventually
[10:10] <aesiamun> calc, unfortunately we develop software for windows users...
[10:10] <geneo91> keep it on cd if possible
[10:10] <calc> 98 hasn't gotten any updates in years (aiui)
[10:10] <geneo91> calc:  long time to late
[10:11] <geneo91> calc:  not so
[10:11] <spear> i was probably too slow
[10:11] <spear> :)
[10:11] <drbombay43> how does one go about setting up his machone with a reiserfs file system?
[10:11] <geneo91> 2004 sep was last iirc
[10:11] <drbombay43> machine
[10:12] <LiberalTugboat> drbombay43, when you install, format with reiser
[10:12] <spear> did you already install the os ?
[10:12] <drbombay43> getting ready to reinstall now
[10:12] <crimsun> super_dude2: looking now
[10:12] <super_dude2> ok ty
[10:13] <geneo91> drbombay43:  dont use it if you want compat with other systems
[10:13] <drbombay43> I dont understand
[10:14] <drbombay43> checking google can't find any info
[10:14] <geneo91> drbombay43:  if you want sharing and so on
[10:14] <drbombay43> no file sharing with ext3
[10:14] <calc> geneo91: ah 98 got its death sentence extended
[10:14] <spear> why would you choose reiserfs (even if it's noto the question)
[10:14] <crimsun> super_dude2: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 isapnp=0
[10:15] <calc> it was supposed to die jan 16 2004
[10:15] <drbombay43> just to check out the difference it makes
[10:15] <LiberalTugboat> calc, they are going to start letting companies pay to extend NT and 2000 support too
[10:16] <geneo91> reiserfs is for top of the line servers
[10:16] <spear> there' s a page that compares the different filesystems ... xfs, jfs, ext2/3, and so ...
[10:16] <spear> i can look for it if you' re interested
[10:16] <super_dude2> it didnt do anything
[10:16] <drbombay43> please
[10:16] <spear> ok, am checking
[10:16] <LiberalTugboat> running win 98 would today would be like running redhat 7
[10:16] <calc> LiberalTugboat: yea iirc they are extending it through sometime this year
[10:16] <drbombay43> thank you
[10:16] <geneo91> drbombay43:  your not going to see any diff on desktop ststem
[10:17] <calc> nt was supposed to die on dec 31, 2003 originally
[10:17] <calc> LiberalTugboat: redhat 4.2 was out when win98 came out
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> to many businesses still use nt thought
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> though
[10:17] <drbombay43> but how about for a web server?
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> yeah but redhat 4.2 was not nearly as advanced
[10:17] <drbombay43> running apache
[10:18] <fsapo> LiberalTugboat, here we still find windows 95 running clipper applications :)
[10:18] <geneo91> LiberalTugboat:  i would have win98se before even thinking of xp
[10:18] <calc> linux desktop arguably still isn't up to win98
[10:18] <drbombay43> doing virtual hosting
[10:18] <calc> its getting pretty close though
[10:18] <LiberalTugboat> linux is way past win98
[10:19] <calc> well kde may be
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> it can atleast use usb and wireless
[10:19] <super_dude2> crimsun; it did nothing
[10:19] <calc> gnome still doesn't make much use of bonobo
[10:19] <geneo91> calc:  its sure faster then xp though
[10:19] <calc> iow object embedding
[10:19] <difekta> what are some other gui file managers besides nautilus?
[10:19] <difekta> that would be on my system.
[10:19] <calc> even win95 did usb
[10:19] <calc> 95c
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> HA
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> that makes me laugh
[10:20] <geneo91> konqueror
[10:20] <difekta> lol.
[10:20] <difekta> konquerer sucks though.
[10:20] <difekta> lemme run it and see.
[10:20] <crimsun> super_dude2: good, now paste the output of amixer onto pastebin
[10:20] <spear> here they are ... in french :) .... but the bench results sare in english ! http://www.linux-france.org/article/sys/ext3fs/Benchmarks/
[10:20] <LiberalTugboat> 95 choked on anything and everything
[10:20] <geneo91> calc:  win95b
[10:20] <calc> difekta: konqueror is probably the best file manager that you will find under linux
[10:21] <calc> difekta: as far as features go
[10:21] <nessmuk> can anyone tell me what Hibernate is in the shutdown menu?
[10:21] <LiberalTugboat> and let me tell you, wireless on anything before xp service pack 2 sucks
[10:21] <calc> geneo91: 95b had usb but you had to install it separately from a file on the disk
[10:21] <difekta> kde apps are ugly.
[10:21] <calc> geneo91: 95c had it integrated (iirc)
[10:21] <calc> nessmuk: long term sleep mode
[10:22] <calc> nessmuk: writes memory to disk then powers off system
[10:22] <geneo91> yes many good feature with kde addons
[10:22] <nessmuk> calc....howz that different than sleep?
[10:22] <super_dude2> crimsun; it has been pasted
[10:22] <LiberalTugboat> nessmuk, no instant on
[10:22] <geneo91> calc:  95b was doable
[10:22] <calc> nessmuk: sleep is usually acpi S3 which saves state to memory and goes into low power mode
[10:22] <LiberalTugboat> and it doesnt use power
[10:22] <calc> nessmuk: S3 lasts days, hibernate (S5) lasts forever
[10:22] <nessmuk> oh....so it restarts fast ....cool...so it's stable?
[10:23] <crimsun> super_dude2: great.  Now use alsamixer to unmute the Master and PCM sliders (press 'm'), and use the up arrow key to increase the volume.
[10:23] <calc> S3 requires good hardware support
[10:23] <calc> S5 pretty much always works
[10:23] <LiberalTugboat> no acpi is stable in linux yet
[10:23] <bob2`> ACPI works flawlessly on my linux laptop
[10:23] <calc> geneo91: yea, i used to work for a computer shop that built systems
[10:23] <geneo91> like ecc memory
[10:23] <LiberalTugboat> what laptop?
[10:24] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: IBM x40.
[10:24] <LiberalTugboat> hmm
[10:24] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: s3 works on a surprising number of laptops, thanks to mjg59
[10:24] <rikki> to get my wirless-g pci adaptor to get an address from the ap's dhcp server, I'm having to first ifup the device w/ 'wireless-essid any' in my interfaces file, and then change it back to my essid and it works...any reason for this? or suggestions for automating that proceedure?
[10:24] <super_dude2> ok
[10:24] <LiberalTugboat> s3 suck on my laptop
[10:24] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: please don't make broad and incorrect claims without looking into recent developments
[10:24] <calc> s3 won't work on mine :\
[10:24] <LiberalTugboat> wont turn the screen off
[10:24] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[10:25] <super_dude2> crimsun;iv done tha
[10:25] <calc> LiberalTugboat: acpi is stable, laptops in general are shit
[10:25] <geneo91> calc:  i built this one and several like it for others
[10:25] <crimsun> super_dude2: now play something
[10:25] <EvilIdler> When I do the first apt-get upgrade after a fresh install of Hoary, GLX stops working. Any ideas what breaks it?
[10:25] <LiberalTugboat> its not an incorrect claim, laptop support around the board in linux needs tons of work
[10:25] <calc> LiberalTugboat: so hacks have to be made to make each individual buggy pos laptop work under linux
[10:25] <bob2`> EvilIdler: did it upgrade your kernel?
[10:25] <super_dude2> crimsun: ty  ok ill try
[10:25] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: "no acpi is stable in linux yet" is provably false
[10:25] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Nope.    I'd try asking on the list.
[10:29] <EvilIdler> bob2`: It looks like my only option to get 3D working is to not upgrade Hoary :/
[10:29] <linuxboy> Im going to upgrade from Warty to Hoary soon. Anything i can prepare for? Any tips?? I have some Backports installed...
[10:29] <LiberalTugboat> bob2`, the words "highly experimentle" (taken from the link you posted) is not how I would describe "stable"
[10:30] <geneo91> calc:  power button
[10:30] <calc> and the acpi spec is less than 1000 pages you would think acpi coders could be bothered to actually read it
[10:31] <spear> thanks & bye !
[10:31] <super_dude2> crimsun: should it be able to play mp3s or wma files?
[10:31] <bob2`> EvilIdler: no, you ask on the list and report a bug
[10:31] <bob2`> linuxboy: get rid of all the backports
[10:31] <mebaran151> super_dude2, wma is for the weak
[10:31] <bob2`> linuxboy: and remember not to use them ever again
[10:31] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: blah blah
[10:31] <EvilIdler> bob2`: There's a bugzilla or something, right?
[10:31] <linuxboy> bob2`: really? will that break it?
[10:32] <LiberalTugboat> wow there is a very mature comment
[10:32] <super_dude2> what about mp3s
[10:32] <geneo91> calc:  you mean anyone reads anything before they do things today
[10:32] <LiberalTugboat> first you tear into me
[10:32] <bob2`> EvilIdler: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <LiberalTugboat> now you treat me like shit
[10:32] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: it works for many people
[10:32] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Cheers
[10:32] <linuxboy> bob2`: but how do i get the latest software without them ?
[10:32] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: which does not make it "no stable"
[10:32] <LiberalTugboat> it also does NOT work for many people
[10:32] <bob2`> linuxboy: you deal with not having software release five seconds ago, or you use the development version of ubuntu
[10:33] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: yes, it does
[10:33] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: it works for me.  it works for a dozen people I've personally met
[10:33] <linuxboy> bob2`: what ?
[10:33] <geneo91> well time for bed cyas l8r
[10:34] <bob2`> linuxboy: which bit was confusing?
[10:34] <linuxboy> bob2`: all of it
[10:34] <bob2`> 18:32:31       linuxboy |  bob2`: but how do i get the latest software without them ?
[10:34] <bob2`> 18:32:56          bob2` | linuxboy: you deal with not having software release five seconds ago, or you use the development version of ubuntu
[10:34] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Seems my bugs have already been reported multiple times. Time for some fun reading :)
[10:34] <linuxboy> bob2`: you deal with not having software release five seconds ago, ????
[10:34] <RexM> well, that was fairly easy
[10:34] <EMan> Everytime I play a game that fullscreens at a resolution that isn't the one Gnome is running at, my LCD monitor stops getting a signal. How do I fix this?
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> yeah and in my expirience, and by reading the forums (and Im not just talking about ubuntu) its a common problem
[10:35] <super_dude2> crimsun: it is playing a cd but no sound is comming out
[10:35] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: the forums are not representative of anything
[10:35] <mebaran151> super_dude2, check your mixer
[10:35] <bob2`> linuxboy: dude
[10:35] <bob2`> linuxboy: ubuntu comes out every six months
[10:35] <mebaran151> ah
[10:35] <bob2`> linuxboy: waiting a few months for newer stuff will not kill you
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> ok, so the only voice in the world is yours?
[10:35] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: no
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> then dont shoot down other peoples opinions
[10:36] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: I don't disagre with opinions, I'm disagreeing with your blanket statement that ACPI is not stable on linux
[10:36] <linuxboy> bob2`: what if there are features I want to use?
[10:36] <crimsun> super_dude2: you'd have to unmute and increase the volume for the CD slider
[10:36] <bob2`> linuxboy: then use the development version of ubuntu
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> its my opinion
[10:36] <crimsun> super_dude2: to play mp3s, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:37] <mebaran151> crimsun, could you help me diagnose a rather odd make install problem
[10:37] <mebaran151> gimp-print beta conintually tries to creat the directory /usr/share/man
[10:37] <mebaran151> and fails
[10:38] <super_dude2> im using the defult cd player and it is playing along i can see the second counter
[10:38] <crimsun> hack Makefile.in to use install, or append || true
[10:38] <rikki> is there a way to run a command from the cli for at most a certain length of time?
[10:38] <rikki> and then kill it if it's still running when that timer elapses?
[10:38] <linuxboy> bob2`: ill use backports thank you very much
[10:38] <DarthFrog> rikki:  Sure. Write a shell script. :-)
[10:38] <bob2`> linuxboy: even if they make it impossible to upgrade to the next version of ubuntu?
[10:38] <bob2`> you can do whatever you want, of course, but be aware that they're rather dodgy and will cause problems in the future for you
[10:39] <linuxboy> bob2`: nothing is impossible, apt can do magic... ill fix it myself
[10:40] <bob2`> of course it's not impossible
[10:40] <bob2`> I already told you how to fix it (ie purge them all and install the warty versions before you update)
[10:40] <bob2`> apt can't fix itself, exactly *because* the backports are badly designed
[10:40] <bob2`> if they had proper version numbers, there would be no problem
[10:41] <Anubis> They fixed Rhythmbox finally!!!!!!!
[10:41] <mebaran151> haha
[10:41] <linuxboy> bob2`: you didnt tell me how to fix it
[10:41] <bob2`> yes I did
[10:42] <bob2`> 18:31:29          bob2` | linuxboy: get rid of all the backports
[10:42] <super_dude2> crimson; i cant hear it and my volume control in the top left corner of the screen pulls its sef back down if i put it up
[10:42] <linuxboy> yeah, whatever
[10:43] <super_dude2> top right
[10:43] <crimsun> super_dude2: can you hear music files?
[10:43] <super_dude2> nope
[10:43] <super_dude2> i get no sound
[10:43] <bob2`> linuxboy: ?
[10:43] <bob2`> linuxboy: seriously, you have to remove them before you can upgrade
[10:44] <crimsun> super_dude2: paste the output of dmesg|tail onto pastebin
[10:44] <super_dude2> ok
[10:44] <super_dude2> www.pastebin.com
[10:44] <difekta> does anyone know a way to make gdm spawn a new xserver when it logs someone in, so that it stays "alive" on the same xserver and I can always go to it to log a new person into my machine?
[10:47] <super_dude2> crimsun: it has been pasted
[10:47] <crimsun> hmm, not particularly useful, unfortunately.
[10:48] <super_dude2> so whats the problem
[10:48] <crimsun> super_dude2: please paste onto pastebin the output of ls -R /proc/asound/
[10:49] <super_dude2> crimsun: it has been pasted
[10:49] <super_dude2> crimsun:its under the previus one
[10:50] <EvilIdler> Found out what the GLX problem was. It seems the xorg server stopped accepting compositing+GLX simultaneously in recent versions.
[10:50] <rikki> is Gmail going to 2GB+ news? it is to me!
[10:51] <bob2`> EvilIdler: that's an nvidia proprietary driver issue, aiui
[10:52] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Perhaps. At least I have 3D accelleration now, and can go back to coding
[10:53] <crimsun> super_dude2: please unmute and increase DSP in alsamixer
[10:53] <drbombay43> bob2; hello , can you tell where the iptables rules are?
[10:54] <super_dude2> howd u unmute it
[10:54] <bob2`> drbombay43: do you mean "where does Ubuntu store the default iptables rules?"?
[10:54] <johnnybezak> has hoary been frozen?
[10:54] <bob2`> lots of times
[10:55] <bob2`> (there are multiples freezes)
[10:55] <bob2`> but it's in very very deep freeze now
[10:55] <johnnybezak> ok
[10:55] <drbombay43> bob2; yes
[10:55] <super_dude2> crimsun how do u unmute and turn up
[10:55] <bob2`> drbombay43: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz
[10:56] <drbombay43> okay
[10:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: press 'm' to unmute
[10:56] <drbombay43> thanks
[10:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: use the up arrow to increase the volume
[10:56] <super_dude2> the up arrow does nothign
[10:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: that'd be for PCM and CD
[10:57] <crimsun> super_dude2: you only need to unmute DSP
[10:57] <super_dude2> ok
[10:57] <RexM> uum.. what's the default root password?
[10:57] <RexM> it never asked me to enter one..
[10:57] <andrek> anyone here had trouble with limewire not gaining access to folders in the home dir?
[10:57] <bob2`> RexM: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone have the game called "uplink : hacker elite" ??
[10:57] <bob2`> RexM: also in the FAQ
[10:57] <RexM> thank you
[10:57] <elyseum> no pass i guess, just do enter
[10:58] <bob2`> da_bon_bon: if you're asking for someone to send you proprietary software, that's off-topic
[10:58] <super_dude2> crimsun: i cant find cd
[10:58] <crimsun> super_dude2: using alsamixer?
[10:58] <da_bon_bon> bob2`: i had a problem getting it run on ubuntu.
[10:58] <JaZy84> how can i setup my sound
[10:58] <JaZy84> i think i got the righ tmodule loaded
[10:58] <bob2`> da_bon_bon: probably best to just ask your question then
[10:58] <JaZy84> how can i test it
[10:59] <crimsun> JaZy84: Warty or Hoary?
[10:59] <JaZy84> hoary
[10:59] <super_dude2> crimsun: yes there is no thing labled cd
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> bob2`: oh, i was thinking that if no one has that game, then pointless in asking, right
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> ?
[10:59] <crimsun> super_dude2: amixer sset PCM on; amixer sset CD on; amixer sset DSP on
[10:59] <crimsun> super_dude2: and amixer sset Master on
[11:00] <super_dude2> ok
[11:01] <super_dude2> crimsun: amixer: Unable to find simple control 'CD',0
[11:02] <crimsun> super_dude2: duh, too many things going on, sorry.  You don't have a CD control.
[11:02] <super_dude2> ok so what now?
[11:02] <buerste> hi i wanna install wine, used this howto: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb . i added the 2 lines to the /etc/apt/sources.list file, but if i want to apt-get install wine, it tells me that theres no install candidate for wine
[11:02] <RexM> bob2`, it's not allowing me to enable the root account..
[11:02] <crimsun> JaZy84: use the System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector to test the default audio output sink
[11:03] <crimsun> super_dude2: amixer output onto pastebin
[11:04] <super_dude2> crimsun: ok its on pastebin
[11:04] <bob2`> RexM: we can't help with that
[11:04] <bob2`> RexM: maybe if you tell us what you're running and how it isn't working, we could
[11:05] <RexM> bob2`, nevermind, i figured it out ;)
[11:07] <crimsun> super_dude2: mute the mic*
[11:07] <super_dude2> ok
[11:07] <RexM> stupid me.. i forgot to save my private key to ssh into my server...
[11:08] <JaZy84> which java do i want to apt-get
[11:08] <super_dude2> ok
[11:09] <JaZy84> well which one will work for java apps
[11:10] <xukun> how can I Uninstall all Ubuntu packages having to do with nVidia?
[11:11] <claint> i have a xp system that i cannot manage to boot with grub. i am proficient with grub setup and something like this never happened before. the system is in /dev/hdb1, but after i select it i get left with the grub> prompt. any ideas on what might have gone wrong?
[11:11] <andrek> anyone here had trouble with limewire not gaining access to folders in the home dir?
[11:11] <super_dude2> crimsun:i have muted it
[11:12] <shannah> any 1 can help me  how to install ubuntu in my pc?
[11:12] <deFrysk> JaZy84, this is wht I used  (correct javaversion to jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin) http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:14] <bob2`> shannah: www.ubuntulinux.org, download a cd image, put it in and follow the prompts
[11:14] <crimsun> super_dude2: aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav
[11:15] <xukun> after installing the nvidia drivers I get a darks screen and x will not start
[11:15] <forte> elow
[11:16] <super_dude2> yay
[11:16] <super_dude2> ty
[11:16] <super_dude2> it worke
[11:16] <super_dude2> :)
[11:16] <forte> any 1 can help me?
[11:16] <super_dude2> you were a good help
[11:16] <thoreauputic> forte: just ask :)
[11:16] <forte> how i install my ubuntu to my pc
[11:16] <forte> ?
[11:17] <bob2`> xukun: try disabling it then, which doesn't require uninstalling anything
[11:17] <forte> elow?
[11:17] <claint> forte : <bob2`> shannah: www.ubuntulinux.org, download a cd image, put it in and
[11:18] <claint>           follow the prompts
[11:18] <forte> i have a cd.
[11:18] <xukun> bob2`, the nv module works fine, but I would like to use the nvidia driver
[11:18] <bob2`> then just boot it and follow the instructions
[11:18] <bob2`> xukun: then you'll need to talk to nvidia about fixing it then
[11:19] <super_dude2> crimsun next problem my thing wont let me edit / add new folders or copy stuff to anwhere apart from home i have a game i play on the internet which cant save its files to my computer how do i let it
[11:19] <claint> xukun: what card is it?
[11:19] <xukun> bob2`, I did, but no luck
[11:19] <crimsun> super_dude2: would you rephrase that?  It's quite vague.
[11:19] <forte> it stuck when ubuntu copying in my hard drive
[11:19] <bob2`> xukun: 'tis a shame they won't let anyone help them fix it ;)
[11:20] <xukun> claint, NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]  (rev a3)
[11:20] <xukun> bob2`, this makes me so not happy!
[11:20] <thoreauputic> forte: that part can take a wgile - did you wait for it to complete, or was there an error message?
[11:20] <claint> xukun: check your xorg.conf and see if your monitor is defined in anyway.
[11:21] <forte> it hang up.
[11:21] <thoreauputic> s/wgile/ a while
[11:21] <bob2`> xukun: meh, nvidia won't Free it, no one but them can help fix it
[11:21] <buerste> i cant install wine...
[11:21] <xukun> bob2`, hmm
[11:21] <forte> it always hang up.
[11:21] <buerste> cant install wine with apt-get, added the repositories, but there is no installation candidate for wine
[11:22] <super_dude2> ok i play a game called runescape it tries to save files to my computer it cant so i haveto reload the game each time   i cant save files to any other folder aprt from home/lukes how can i make it let it save to a difrent directory
[11:22] <forte> it always stuck when ubuntu copying in my hard drive
[11:22] <thoreauputic> forte: you need to be more specific: hardware? what actually happens and when?
[11:22] <claint> super_dude2 : do you know where that runescape program is trying to save its files to?
[11:22] <polytan> hi
[11:23] <xukun> claint, what am I looking in xorg.conf? the monitor section?
[11:23] <polytan> there is an openmosix source kernel in the ubuntu tree ?
[11:23] <claint> xukun: yeah.
[11:23] <super_dude2> no but on my windows computer it saves it to c:\windows\
[11:24] <claint> anyone had problems with grub not loading their xp system? cause i need a fix, i know how grub works, but cannot tell what is wrong with it this time.
[11:24] <xukun> claint, Identifier "Generic Monitor"  Option "DPMS"  HorizSync 30-75  VertRefresh  50-85
[11:25] <claint> super_dude2 : i dont know anything about runescape, is it a linux program now or are you running over wine or something?
[11:25] <super_dude2> its a java game
[11:25] <claint> xukun: hmmm, looks good enough.
[11:30] <SuperLag> If you're getting an error about a shared object not existing, how can you find out what package it belongs to?
[11:30] <bob2`> you'd need to show us the error
[11:30] <bob2`> in #flood
[11:30] <SuperLag> it's 3 lines... still want it in #flood?
[11:30] <super_dude2> claint: its a java game
[11:30] <bob2`> meh
[11:30] <bob2`> buerste: that's kinda rude
[11:30] <bob2`> buerste: you'd need to paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and "apt-cache policy wine" output to #flood
[11:30] <SuperLag> /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:31] <SuperLag> and I have libgtk-2.0-0 and all of it's related packages installed already...
[11:31] <bob2`> seems like acrobat is just poorly built
[11:31] <buerste> paste in the channel?
[11:31] <mebaran151> SuperLag, you're not on 64 bit
[11:32] <bob2`> does 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/ acrobat' work any better?
[11:32] <bob2`> buerste: #flood, as I said
[11:32] <SuperLag> mebaran151: I am.
[11:32] <mebaran151> SuperLag, there you go
[11:32] <buerste> the whole file????
[11:32] <bob2`> buerste: er, of course
[11:32] <mebaran151> you dont have 64 bit gtk
[11:32] <buerste> kk
[11:32] <mebaran151> I man
[11:32] <mebaran151> I mean
[11:32] <mebaran151> acrobat needs 32 bit GTK
[11:33] <SuperLag> mebaran151: interesting... I can get it to work on Gentoo.
[11:33] <mebaran151> gentoo has emul libs
[11:33] <SuperLag> This was on a non-multilib install.    That's why I now have Ubuntu on this box.
[11:36] <mebaran151> SuperLag, so do you REALLY need acroread
[11:36] <SuperLag> mebaran151: though I'm still considering putting Gentoo back on here, and running it crippled, in pure 32-bit mode, as an Athlon-XP. :/
[11:37] <bassMonkey> how could i get rhythmbox to "organize" my music collection into directories as iTunes does in windows, as it is now it asked where to store the music library when i first ran it but it doesn't seem to copy anything there... wierd
[11:37] <mebaran151> better to just run the the 64 bit kernel
[11:37] <mebaran151> but in a 32 bit userland
[11:37] <Jishi> hello everyone
[11:37] <mebaran151> at least the kernel could use the extra power
[11:37] <mebaran151> but the with the emulation
[11:37] <SuperLag> mebaran151: No, but tell me... what other PDF reader do you know that renders PDFs as well as acroread? :)
[11:37] <Jishi> anyone insatalled  9700 mobility drivers I just need to enable 3d accel andone can help?
[11:38] <mebaran151> I never needed that accurate a pdf rendition
[11:38] <IH> hello peeps
[11:38] <mebaran151> I just used xpdf
[11:38] <Jishi> hey
[11:38] <mebaran151> works perfectly
[11:38] <mebaran151> everything reads
[11:38] <bob2`> Jishi: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:38] <IH> any1 has experience with upgrading to ubuntu from debian?
[11:38] <SuperLag> mebaran151: you run Ubuntu on AMD64?
[11:38] <bob2`> Jishi: (try checking the faq next time...)
[11:38] <mebaran151> SuperLag, yep
[11:39] <mebaran151> full 64 bit userland
[11:39] <mebaran151> such a !@#$%!!# in the !@#!@#!$%%$!
[11:39] <SuperLag> that's what a stock install is, right?
[11:39] <mebaran151> yeah
[11:39] <mebaran151> you could though
[11:39] <mebaran151> do a 32 bit install
[11:39] <mebaran151> off an x86 disk
[11:39] <mebaran151> and install the AMD64 kernel manually
[11:39] <Jishi> bob2 thank you....
[11:39] <mebaran151> it will boot and run everything
[11:40] <mebaran151> just a bit bigger
[11:40] <SuperLag> wouldn't things installed subsequent to the 64-bit kernel installation then compile against that 64-bit kernel??
[11:40] <Jishi> bob2 I have tried this before but not on a fresh install just made a freash install so I will check it out again.... any tips on backing up my system just incase anything goes wrong?
[11:41] <bob2`> SuperLag: nothing "compiles against the kernel"
[11:41] <tuppa> hrm
[11:41] <bob2`> SuperLag: if you install the i386 port on an amd64, you will have 32-bit applications, tho, if that's what you mean
[11:41] <tuppa> linux-image-2.6.10-5 is b0rk3n with nvidia stuff
[11:41] <tuppa> and there's no linux-restricted packages 2.6.11
[11:41] <tuppa> well, not for amd64 anyway
[11:42] <randabis> tuppa: there's none period
[11:44] <Jishi> bob2
[11:44] <Jishi> bob2' did till step 2 I will reboot now
[11:44] <bob2`> ok
[11:44] <Jishi> brb
[11:45] <SuperLag> mebaran151: So are you a bit disillusioned with AMD64, like me? :/
[11:45] <mebaran151> SuperLag, well I knew it would be this way
[11:45] <mebaran151> some guys have to break it in
[11:45] <mebaran151> and really
[11:45] <SuperLag> mebaran151: It was this, or a Mac, and I thought I could get a LOT more power going this route...
[11:45] <mebaran151> it compiles FAST
[11:45] <bob2`> SuperLag: bear in mind your problem is because acrobate is proprietary
[11:45] <mebaran151> do some source
[11:45] <mebaran151> and yeah
[11:45] <mebaran151> it will be fast
[11:45] <SuperLag> bob2`: agreed. But a LOT of stuff is broken, OSS and propietary
[11:46] <albert> Hey
[11:46] <bob2`> SuperLag: for example?
[11:46] <albert> On Warty with the default kernel my sound works
[11:46] <bob2`> aside from openoffice
[11:46] <albert> after a upgrade to hoary dont work anymore
[11:46] <SuperLag> bob2`: :)
[11:46] <albert> any idea how to fix my sound problem?
[11:46] <albert> or re-configure it
[11:46] <albert> ?
[11:47] <SuperLag> Mozilla Firefox, plugins like the JRE, Flash
[11:47] <bob2`> SuperLag: you're having problems with firefox?  have you filed a bug?
[11:47] <bob2`> SuperLag: JRE and flash are also proprietary
[11:47] <bob2`> I'd not be surprised at all if they suck
[11:47] <SuperLag> Again, agreed.
[11:47] <bob2`> Flash makes firefox unstable on i386, too
[11:48] <SuperLag> And bugs for Ubuntu, no.  Bugs for Gentoo, yes.
[11:49] <claint> this windows not booting is driving me mad.
[11:49] <mebaran151> Flash sucks
[11:49] <SuperLag> I agree.  But school makes it a necessary evil.
[11:49] <mebaran151> but there is a gnu flash palyer
[11:49] <mebaran151> that works ok
[11:49] <mebaran151> for a lot of stuff
[11:50] <SuperLag> that only works with ver <=4, iirc
[11:50] <Jishi> bob2' the instruction adviced me to change "ati" to "fglrx" I have to change it in the Device section? and then reboot after that? Just conferming
[11:50] <johnnybezak> i've got it
[11:50] <johnnybezak> the flash player
[11:50] <johnnybezak> just apt-get it
[11:50] <SuperLag> johnnybezak: doesn't work for AMD64
[11:50] <albert> =(
[11:50] <SuperLag> not the current version, anyway
[11:50] <bob2`> Jishi: change, don't htink you need to reboot
[11:50] <albert> Any idea of what can be my problem?
[11:51] <johnnybezak> SuperLag: ah that sucks
[11:51] <PePeLiNuX> hii
[11:51] <lolminator> bash: /dev/hda2: Permission denied <-- ?
[11:51] <bob2`> lolminator: yes, normal users an't break the disks
[11:51] <bob2`> lolminator: what are you trying to do?
[11:52] <lolminator> get to my partition
[11:52] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator ls -l /dev/hda2
[11:52] <SuperLag> mebaran151: I think until the platform gets more mature, I'm stuck with running 32-bit
[11:52] <bob2`> lolminator: "get to"?
[11:52] <mebaran151> nah
[11:52] <mebaran151> I run 64 bit
[11:52] <bob2`> lolminator: you mean "mount"?
[11:52] <albert> i have sound problems after upgrade my system to hoary
[11:52] <mebaran151> because I want to make it matrue
[11:52] <lolminator> bad in english sorry
[11:52] <bob2`> SuperLag: the platform is fine, you need to either kick the proprietary habit, or wait for your vendors to catch up
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator are you spanish?
[11:53] <lolminator> norwegian
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> ups
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> am
[11:53] <superted_> What is multiseat configuration? (translating the installer, this is apparently somehting which can be chosen during the installation)
[11:53] <gOrDOkAbRoN> hola
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator do you like backup of hda2?
[11:53] <gOrDOkAbRoN> hay alguien en casa
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> si
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> yo soy de casa xD
[11:53] <SuperLag> bob2`: I am college student.  My school uses a LOT of Flash material in their simulation software and things we have to access online.
[11:54] <lolminator> no
[11:54] <gOrDOkAbRoN> tengo pequeo  problema
[11:54] <PePeLiNuX> gordokabron por privado xfa
[11:54] <BockBilbo> jus si sta el malo de austin powers
[11:54] <BockBilbo> xD
[11:54] <bob2`> gOrDOkAbRoN: this is an english channel
[11:54] <BockBilbo> hey to everyone
[11:54] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator what like to do exactly?
[11:55] <lolminator> Just trying to get access to hda2
[11:55] <lerix> hi
[11:55] <SuperLag> gOrDOkAbRoN: que paso contigo?  Es mejor que hablas ingles aqui, porque la mayoria hablan ingles.
[11:55] <BockBilbo> gOrDOkAbRoN, ve a #ubuntu-es
[11:55] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator: mount /dev/hda2 /mnt
[11:55] <Jishi> bob2' how okay i have done the changes restared and same results in glxgears.... is this normal?
[11:55] <gOrDOkAbRoN> como se habre aki un privado
[11:55] <gOrDOkAbRoN> diosss
[11:55] <gOrDOkAbRoN> que lio
[11:56] <bob2`> Jishi: no idea
[11:56] <bob2`> gOrDOkAbRoN: please?
[11:56] <lerix> I'm trying to boot the ubuntu 4.10 install CD on a toshiba laptop, but it seems to freeze
[11:56] <bob2`> gOrDOkAbRoN: this obviously isn't a channel to speak spanish in
[11:56] <thoreauputic> gOrDOkAbRoN:  /join #ubuntu-es
[11:56] <Jishi> bob2' okay what can I do to check if the 3d accel is enabled?
[11:56] <difekta> Unpacking replacement libgimpprint1 ...
[11:56] <difekta> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgimpprint1_4.2.7-4ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:56] <Jishi> bob2' O mean the command
[11:56] <difekta> someone help me please.
[11:57] <mebaran151> Jishi, glxgears
[11:57] <difekta>  fork failed: Cannot allocate memory
[11:57] <mebaran151> run it and tell me what kind of fps you get
[11:57] <bob2`> difekta: close down some programs and try again
[11:57] <RexM> has anyone in here followed this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3450.html and can show me what their /etc/mozpluggerrc looks like?
[11:57] <PePeLiNuX> where are list of compatibility of devices for ubuntu?
[11:57] <mebaran151> my glxgears segfaulted
[11:57] <alexsmith> Got a laptop with (funnily enough) onboard sound. I can enable/disable it in the BIOS, and assign other options, but I can't see it in lspci, lshw, dmesg, or anything (once it's enabled). Any ideas what might be wrong?
[11:57] <mebaran151> hahahahahah
[11:57] <mebaran151> what the hell
[11:57] <Jishi> bob2' yeah I have done that always worked there is a command that i can;t rember which tells you 3d ac enabled or disabled
[11:57] <alexsmith> mebaran151: Heard quite a few people say that recently..
[11:57] <juliusk> the spanish guy was asking how to open a private conversation with Xchat I guess... the other day I was freaking out because double click didnt work for this (it does in konversation) :P
[11:57] <mebaran151> haha
[11:57] <mebaran151> I love that
[11:58] <mebaran151> we keep running these massive X updates
[11:58] <mebaran151> I think to try to solve that
[11:58] <lerix> any idea ?
[11:58] <bob2`> Jishi: xdpyinfo
[11:59] <lerix> I've tried with acpi=off and noapic
[11:59] <BockBilbo> I've talked to gOrDOkAbRoN , hes a bit confused lol, just installed ubuntu
[11:59] <difekta> that worked
[11:59] <difekta> sad.
[11:59] <lerix> the demo liveCD boots fine
[11:59] <difekta> poor usage of virtual memory apparenly.
[11:59] <trygvebw> lerix: tried noapic
[11:59] <trygvebw> ?
[11:59] <bob2`> difekta: no, you're just out of ram and swap
[12:00] <bob2`> difekta: paste the output of "free -m" to #flood
[12:00] <Daehlie> seriously, NOBODY needs linux help at 4am, just go to bed
[12:00] <Jishi> bob2' thank you for you help.. appreciate it
[12:00] <Daehlie> this is rediculous
[12:00] <crimsun> Daehlie: 4 AM whose time?
[12:00] <john023> how to set a adsl connectio?n
[12:00] <Daehlie> mountain standard time
[12:00] <bob2`> Daehlie: it's 2000 here
[12:00] <bob2`> Jishi: np
[12:00] <Daehlie> spring forward bitches
[12:00] <bob2`> john023: sudo pppoeconf
[12:00] <lerix> trygvebw, I tried a lot of boot parameters ... but that didn't work
[12:00] <trygvebw> :|
[12:00] <john023> how to set a adsl connection in ubuntu?
[12:01] <bob2`> Daehlie: please read the code of conduct
[12:01] <john023> anyone help me?
[12:01] <bob2`> john023: as above
[12:01] <trygvebw> john023, ppp-adsl or auto-connect-adsl?
[12:01] <Daehlie> bob2`: a link to the code of conduct please
[12:01] <huhe> Daehlie get some rest your tired.
[12:02] <trygvebw> do you dial up the ADSL connection or do you get connected automatically?
[12:02] <john023> ppp-adsl
[12:02] <trygvebw> :|
[12:02] <Danten> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[12:02] <trygvebw> crappy ppp-adsl
[12:02] <difekta> out of swap?!
[12:02] <Daehlie> i'm not tired, i'm drunk, but if you instruct me to read the code of conduct i require the code of cnduct to read
[12:02] <lerix> the last message I see is "Ready" after the kernel image loading
[12:02] <bob2`> difekta: who knows, paste the output of "free -m" to #flood so we can see
[12:03] <RexM> ubuntu uses a lot of memory i've noticed, it also has a lot of modules installed.. when i was running gentoo, i had 2 modules installed and it hardly ever touched the swap, and i'm only on 384mb ram
[12:03] <difekta> i just did.
[12:03] <trygvebw> http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html
[12:03] <trygvebw> john023, ^
[12:03] <huhe> Daehlie its printed on your beer bottle.
[12:03] <trygvebw> if you use a speedtouch
[12:03] <trygvebw> modem
[12:04] <bob2`> RexM: the modules do not use a significant amount of ram
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Daehlie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[12:04] <Daehlie> according to my beer bottle, I am right, hence I will go to sleep
[12:04] <bob2`> RexM: and use only very slightly more than the amount that would be used if they were built into the kernel
[12:04] <Daehlie> i have read he CoC
[12:04] <trygvebw> jaq: wasn't the third release supposed to be called Grumpy Groadhog?
[12:05] <claint> yey. i have solved the grub not booting xp problem.
[12:05] <john023> how to set adsl connection in ubuntu?
[12:05] <trygvebw> john023, look at the link i gave you!
[12:06] <bob2`> john023: 3 people have told you how
[12:06] <bob2`> john023: ignoring all 3 seemsa little counter-productive
[12:06] <claint> pointer for people who got xp on hdb or other drives. ubuntu's grub config doesn't put the map commands into the menu.lst so you might have to put it by hand.
[12:06] <claint> just something to keep in mind.
[12:07] <claint> it is funny when you fix someone else's bootloader from ssh. but hell, now got it working at least.
[12:07] <john023> but when i go there nothing there
[12:07] <trygvebw> oh?
[12:07] <trygvebw> hm
[12:07] <john023> i don't know choose what?
[12:08] <john023> i want its manual
[12:08] <john023> how to get it
[12:09] <trygvebw> john: run pppoeconf and follow the instructions
[12:09] <juliusk> is there any text-editor with ftp capabilities like ultraedit?
[12:09] <trygvebw> and then pppoe-discovery from the terminal
[12:09] <trygvebw> juliusk, bluefish i *think*
[12:09] <john023> how to run it
[12:09] <juliusk> trygvebw, gonna check, thx ;)
[12:10] <trygvebw> john023, open a run box and run it ...
[12:10] <trygvebw> juliusk, np
[12:10] <john023> ok
[12:10] <xukun> this is what my screen look like after I install the nvidia driver: http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~ahassan/photo/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=0&pos=-14
[12:11] <xukun> if you have any idea please let me now
[12:11] <john023> where is runbox?
[12:11] <juliusk> trygvebw, "Support for remote files using gnome-vfs (depending on your gnome-vfs setup, you'll have FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, WebDAV, Samba and more)" Thanks :D :D :D
[12:11] <trygvebw> john023, ...
[12:11] <john023> i am new user
[12:11] <john023> of ubuntu
[12:11] <trygvebw> john023, it is Applications -> Run Application
[12:12] <trygvebw> juliusk: bluefish IS great :)
[12:12] <juliusk> trygvebw, it's in the repositories, already installed it :D
[12:12] <claint> xukun
[12:12] <trygvebw> nice :)
[12:12] <juliusk> xukun: I had no problems with the latest nvidia drivers
[12:12] <trygvebw> xukun: are you sure your aren't root?
[12:13] <claint> xukun : can you do any point and clicking? if yes, can you change your resolution?
[12:13] <xukun> I,m using the latest nvidia drivers
[12:13] <rvirani> which is better to run a server off of, Hoary or Debian?
[12:14] <trygvebw> pastyhermit, i would've used Hoary, but if you are going to use it on a really important server i think debian is more stable
[12:14] <claint> pastyhermit : depends on what you wanna do, but for server stability, debian
[12:14] <xukun> trygvebw, I,m not root
[12:14] <xukun> claint, sec
[12:14] <pastyhermit> debian eh
[12:14] <pastyhermit> sarge?
[12:14] <pastyhermit> or the really old old useless version of debian?
[12:14] <bob2`> pastyhermit: please read the troll howto
[12:15] <thoreauputic> pastyhermit: woody is old, but far from useless :)
[12:15] <pastyhermit> would you recommend sarge or woody
[12:15] <claint> xukun: also what are the resolutions you got in xorg.conf?
[12:15] <pastyhermit> cuase in three years they ought to have found some security problems...
[12:15] <bob2`> pastyhermit: please go away
[12:16] <bob2`> pastyhermit: or adjust your attitude
[12:16] <john023> i type it but nothing happen
[12:16] <xukun> claint, yes I can schange the resolution but I,m missing the 1600x1200
[12:16] <Sav> juliusk, im havig problem with bluefish, it cannot save files longer then 380 rows. if the file is bigger it will be fucked up when i save. Any ideas?
[12:16] <pastyhermit> bob2`: its a valid question, I will lose the attitude if it gets me farther :D
[12:16] <pastyhermit> Im putting hoary on my new workstation
[12:16] <claint> xukun : is it fixed when you change the res?
[12:16] <pastyhermit> P4 3.0 Ghz, 1GB Ram, 160 GB HDD etc...
[12:16] <bob2`> pastyhermit: no, it's a stupid question based on you not doing any research
[12:16] <pastyhermit> hopefully when I get my Nvidia quadro prolly do dual LCD
[12:16] <bob2`> pastyhermit: woody gets security updates very quickly, and as far as i know has no outstanding serious security issues
[12:17] <xukun> claint, no
[12:17] <xukun> claint, the same problem
[12:17] <claint> still those silly lines at the side eh?
[12:17] <pastyhermit> bob2`: ahh ok, cause thats contrary to what I was reading, I read a review that said it hadnt been updated since 2002
[12:17] <claint> xukun : what resolution you got in xorg.conf?
[12:17] <pastyhermit> I will download woody theyn
[12:17] <pastyhermit> thanx
[12:17] <xukun> claint, sec
[12:17] <bob2`> pastyhermit: ? woody was released in 2002, and thus has only been updated for security issues since then.
[12:17] <pastyhermit> the workstation will stay on hoary
[12:18] <john023> i run it
[12:18] <john023> but
[12:19] <john023> it say please become root before continue
[12:19] <john023> how to do next
[12:19] <trygvebw> john: type your user password
[12:21] <john023> but it say please become root before continue
[12:21] <john023> i can't continue
[12:21] <thoreauputic> john023: try gksudo pppoeconf
[12:22] <thoreauputic> then type your user pass
[12:23] <pastyhermit> woody is comming :D
[12:23] <pastyhermit> thanx for the help
[12:24] <john023> then
[12:25] <thoreauputic> john023: did that work OK ? You should see the first questions in a new dialogue
[12:28] <john023> yes
[12:29] <john023> then how to connect it?
[12:29] <xukun> claint, in xorg.conf I only got 1600x1200 which my max screen resolution
[12:29] <john023> connect to internet
[12:30] <xukun> bb in sec
[12:30] <claint> xukun: make a copy of your xorg.conf, and edit it, try it to a lower resolution, like 800x600 or something, restart x and see if it fixes it. you sure your monitor can handle 1600x1200 right?
[12:31] <xukun> claint, ok and yes it can
[12:31] <john023> how to reset ip and gateway?
[12:32] <claint> what do you mean by that reset ip?
[12:33] <john023> re-set ip address
[12:34] <claint> john023: as in get a new ip address over dhcp? there is a system->networking tool. but if you are doing it on the command line....
[12:35] <buerste> hi, is it possible that my problems with wine are caused by my arch (amd64) ?
[12:35] <claint> john023 : ifconfig eth0 down
[12:35] <EvilIdler> buerste: Definitely.
[12:35] <claint> john023 : dhclient eth0
[12:35] <bob2`> buerste: er, yeah
[12:35] <claint> john023 : add sudo to the front of those commands.
[12:35] <bob2`> all wine does is emulate the win32 api
[12:35] <jc-denton> hi all
[12:36] <jc-denton> how stable is the ubuntu 5.04 release candidate?
[12:36] <buerste> t.t
[12:36] <thoreauputic> claint: he's using the run box, not the cli
[12:36] <buerste> so is it impossible to run wine on a 64bit ubunbtu?
[12:36] <buerste> ubuntu*
[12:36] <mjr> buerste, well, strictly, no. Look into making a 32-bit chroot
[12:36] <claint> jc-denton : release candidate is out a week before release (usually) so pretty stable. and once you got the updates it is the same as stable.
[12:37] <jc-denton> i can update it then to the stable
[12:37] <buerste> ..... i hate this
[12:37] <EvilIdler> buerste: But then you're emulating the emulator ;)
[12:37] <mjr> buerste, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[12:37] <claint> jc-denton : yeah.
[12:37] <jc-denton> so next weekend 5.04 will be released?
[12:37] <claint> i thought it was april 6 but i am not sure.
[12:37] <mjr> EvilIdler, well, jokes aside, neither is really emulating ;)
[12:37] <EvilIdler> mjr: Hush! It sounded better!
[12:38] <claint> jc-denton : so probably within a week's time.
[12:38] <claint> unless it was another april fool's joke... the rc that is
[12:39] <EvilIdler> claint: I think they've already used their quota of jokes :)
[12:39] <claint> EvilIdler : yeah, i think so too.
[12:39] <jc-denton> wow thats cool
[12:39] <jc-denton> another question..
[12:39] <buerste> well, what does chrooting to a 32bit surface cause?
[12:39] <jc-denton> can i use fedoras blue curve theme with gnome 2.10
[12:40] <buerste> do i have any disadvantages doing it?
[12:40] <christian> salu anne
[12:41] <EvilIdler> buerste: Unless you count having to set up the chroot, not really. Works fine for the few games I've tried.
[12:41] <christian> salu ciseau
[12:41] <njs12345> jc-denton: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2696&highlight=bluecurve
[12:41] <ubuntu> hello
[12:41] <claint> jc-denton : if it is downloadable from somewhere, and compatible with 2.10, you should be able to  install it as a theme.
[12:41] <ubuntu> i'm new and bald
[12:42] <christian> salu b
[12:42] <christian> salu jonathan
[12:42] <johnnybezak> bald?
[12:42] <buerste> well what does it change? do i have just a 32bit environment, or is it both, or do i have to do anything special to run 32bit things, or will the 64bit stuff be deleted?
[12:42] <christian> c christian ta kel age
[12:42] <ubuntu> yep shiny and shaved
[12:42] <EvilIdler> We don't treat the hairless differently
[12:42] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, I'm old and hairy - pleased to meet you :)
[12:42] <christian> t bete
[12:42] <johnnybezak> oh k
[12:43] <christian> salu johnny sa va moi oui
[12:43] <christian> rep
[12:44] <Unipal> f
[12:47] <andrek> anyone here had trouble with limewire not gaining access to folders in the home dir?
[12:47] <Freezer|> What do I need to install to handle the streams's mime type audio/mpeg in rythmbox?
[12:47] <uri> oooo
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Freezer|:  gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:49] <imran> I'm installing ubuntu and it's suggesting I create a swap partition of 468mb which seems a bit small to me, is that an ok size (for 512mb real mem) ?
[12:50] <Freezer|> thoreauputic, thanks
[12:50] <thoreauputic> imran: should be fine unless you do intensive stuff that needs extra swap ( audio with audacity or similar)
[12:51] <EvilIdler> imran: You can set it to the same size as your memory if you want to be safe, although I rarely see much swap being used
[12:51] <EvilIdler> Audio/video editing would eat memory like Pacman eats pills, yeah
[12:52] <imran> thoreauputic: does that include if I want to do lots of heavy compiling ?
[12:52] <mjr> imran, I'd put a gig
[12:52] <thoreauputic> imran: compiling seems to work fine here with that much swap
[12:52] <EvilIdler> imran: Compiling seems more disk-space limited. Most of the time spent compiling is harddrive activity
[12:53] <mjr> imran, could also be useful if you eg. want to software suspend that thing on a high load ;)
[12:53] <tobias_> Is it a knows problem, that hoary atm doesn't work with the nvidia drivers
[12:53] <tobias_> ?
[12:53] <imran> ok thanks all
[12:53] <EvilIdler> tobias_: I've had problems for five days, but sorted mine. What are you having trouble with?
[12:55] <airox> Hi, how would I restart the ESD deamon ?
[12:55] <tobias_> If I use "Driver "nvidia"" X will not starte ("Driver "nv"" works)
[12:55] <tobias_> so I don't have 3D :(
[12:56] <airox> tobias_: Installed the drivers ?
[12:56] <EvilIdler> tobias_: nvidia-glx package installed?
[12:56] <solidape> gdesklets keeps complaining about sensors, do i have to add them separetly and how?
[12:57] <xukun> EvilIdler, lo luck
[12:57] <xukun> no luck
[12:57] <tobias_> airox: Yes, and tt worked until an update yesterday
[12:57] <airox> tobias_: You did a kernel update perhaps ?
[12:57] <EvilIdler> tobias_: Using composite?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> solidape: sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[12:57] <edulix> hi !
[12:58] <njs12345> hmm
[12:58] <edulix> I'm installing Beagle in Ubuntu
[12:58] <EvilIdler> xukun: What does your X config look like?
[12:58] <airox> What could I do about the solution to the problem that Enemy Territory needs access to /dev/dsp but esd is already using it ?
[12:58] <njs12345> for some reason, I have no /dev/audio device
[12:58] <tobias_> EfaistOs: no airox: no, just X
[12:58] <airox> Ok.
[12:58] <njs12345> anybody know how I could fix that?
[12:59] <solidape> thoreauputic: thanx for quick reply
[12:59] <andrek> anyone here know how to compile lirc-modules-sources ? a guide or something?
[12:59] <EvilIdler> xukun: I fixed my problem by adding the "AllowGLXWithComposite" option. It fixed many different problems for others.
[12:59] <thoreauputic> solidape: no worries - configuring sensors is a whole other thing, however...
[12:59] <edulix> in ubuntu's wiki there's an *extremly* complicated, large and discouraging howto (well there are two: one for warty and other for Hoary). why not just link or copy  the howto from beagle's wiki ?http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[01:00] <xukun> EvilIdler, where in xorg.conf can I add the option?
[01:01] <Sung> whut is the command to delete a dir ?
[01:01] <EvilIdler> xukun: It only applies if you've got an "Extensions" section with "Composite" enabled. If so, try the allow-option under "Device"
[01:01] <Sung> under the gnome shell.
[01:01] <Sung> any idea ?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> edulix: maybe you could add the link in the wiki? That's what wikis are for, no?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> Sung: rmdir for an empty directory, rm -r to delete recursively
[01:02] <xukun> EvilIdler, this my xorg.conf file: http://sh.nu/p/205
[01:02] <thoreauputic> add -f to force
[01:03] <Sung> thoreauputic: thanks
[01:04] <thoreauputic> Sung: that's not specific to gnome - it's a standard bash command
[01:04] <EvilIdler> xukun: I've seen a recommendation to change the keyboard driver from "keyboard" to "kbd". At least that works for me.
[01:04] <twentyone> is there a way to install kernel 2.6.8 intead of the current 2.6.10 (hoary), when apparently kernel 2.6.8 is no more in the reposotory ?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> or rather, a standard command that runs on bash
[01:05] <twentyone> (I ask that, because my firewire ipod is no more recognized with kernel 2.6.10)
[01:05] <EvilIdler> xukun: Also, delete the line under "Module" that says Load "dri" - then delete the last DRI section
[01:05] <xukun> EvilIdler, I already did
[01:05] <xukun> EvilIdler, no dri
[01:05] <EvilIdler> xukun: The one you pasted has it, though
[01:06] <edulix> thoreauputic: I was thinking more in replacing it with the other wiki contents, and I said that here because it's a big thing to do
[01:06] <xukun> EvilIdler, I know its old one from 35m ago
[01:07] <EvilIdler> xukun: Could you paste the current xorg.conf?
[01:07] <xukun> EvilIdler, sure
[01:08] <thoreauputic> edulix: yeah, maybe add it with a comment that you found it useful and/or easier etc
[01:08] <xukun> EvilIdler, http://sh.nu/p/208
[01:08] <edulix> thoreauputic: oks then ;)
[01:09] <bzzzbip> hello!
[01:09] <bzzzbip> I need some help
[01:10] <EvilIdler> xukun: I can't see anything different from the recommended config, except for that keyboard driver
[01:10] <xukun> EvilIdler, I can try that
[01:10] <universal> can someone help me with my gdesklets installation?
[01:10] <EvilIdler> xukun: Doubt it'll make much difference, but X *is* strange sometimes
[01:11] <xukun> EvilIdler, thanks anywayt
[01:11] <xukun> EvilIdler, thanks anyway
[01:11] <bzzzbip> I have a total newbie problem
[01:11] <universal> can someone help me with my gdesklets installation?
[01:11] <EvilIdler> xukun: Are all the HorizSync/VertRefresh settings the correct ones for your monitor? Both the lower and higher numbers need to be exact
[01:12] <kent> bzzzbip, the normal procedure is to ask, not to ask to ask. :)
[01:12] <bzzzbip> sorry :-)
[01:12] <bzzzbip> Ive just installed ubuntu on an ibook, i have macosx on a partition
[01:12] <kent> bzzzbip, its ok. I had to mention it, since you wont get any help if you dont ask,  so.. go ahead and ask (people will help if they have the time over.. and know to help)
[01:13] <bzzzbip> now i have to boot ubuntu and i dont know how to do it
[01:13] <bzzzbip> the terminal says boot, and Ive written "help"
[01:13] <bzzzbip> but i dont understand anything
[01:13] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: it goes in two stages - you type l (ell) for linux
[01:13] <thoreauputic> x for osx
[01:13] <tobias_> I just fixed my problem. I had selected the wrong kernel on startup ;)
[01:13] <xukun> EvilIdler, what do you mean?
[01:14] <bzzzbip> yes ive done it but it says no such file or directory
[01:14] <EvilIdler> xukun: Section "Monitor"
[01:14] <EvilIdler> xukun: The refresh rates - are they correct for your monitor?
[01:14] <xukun> EvilIdler, I think so but how can I be very sure?
[01:15] <EvilIdler> xukun: If you have the monitor manual, it should say, if not, Google to the rescue :)
[01:15] <jhaig> Can anyone help?  I'm trying to use gthumb but it keeps dying unexpectedly.  If I run it from the command line I get just a single line saying "Killed".
[01:15] <xukun> EvilIdler, then its the good one
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: did you make partitions with the mac partition tool, then reinstall OS-X before Linux and choose the free space for linux
[01:16] <bzzzbip> yes i did
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: that
[01:16] <EvilIdler> xukun: Then I can't think of anything else :/
[01:16] <xukun> bbl
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: will it boot OS- X ?
[01:17] <bzzzbip> when i started the computer after installing ubuntu
[01:17] <bzzzbip> i got a boot menu it said l for linux x for mac etc
[01:17] <bzzzbip> but i decided instead of typing l or x to type help to get some more information
[01:18] <bzzzbip> since i dont know what im doing
[01:18] <bzzzbip> and now i cant boot anything
[01:18] <bzzzbip> its because im on some kind of help menu i have to get out of it?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: just use x for os-x and l for linux and one or the other should boot
[01:18] <jhaig> I've just run 'gthumb -v' and I get the following error several times before it crashes: "(gthumb:7303): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -17 and height 17"  Anyone any ideas?
[01:19] <bzzzbip> im going to try it again, thank you, if it doesnt work, ill be back
[01:19] <EvilIdler> jhaig: Delete any config files for gthumb in your home directory
[01:19] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: oh I see - well you can just turn it off and start again since nothing has booted yet
[01:19] <bzzzbip> but thanks so much
[01:19] <njs12345> hehe
[01:19] <njs12345> looks like I'm not the only Ubuntu user/developer that's a fan of The Killers
[01:19] <bzzzbip> the thing is, i cannot turn down the computer, i hold down the key and nothing happens
[01:20] <njs12345> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=13
[01:20] <kent> bzzzbip, take out the powercable? :)
[01:20] <sqrt17> bzzbip: you have to hold it for about 3 seconds. a little longer.
[01:20] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip:  try cmd-alt- power button :)
[01:20] <bzzzbip> laptop, i have batteries, and i don
[01:20] <Sung> what is the command to move a file in shell ?
[01:20] <kent> Sung, mv
[01:21] <bzzzbip> ill be back in a minute!
[01:21] <Sung> kent, thanks
[01:21] <thoreauputic> Sung: you need to read  tuxfiles.org :)
[01:21] <corza> hey guys just wondering how i would make a bootsplash
[01:21] <kenl> will my nforce4 be ok with the ubuntu installation?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Sung:  http://tuxfiles.org/      << good intro to commands
[01:23] <bzzzbip> i,ve started the computer again and the same
[01:23] <bzzzbip> it says welcome to yaboot, choose l, x or c
[01:24] <jhaig> Evilldler: Now it still crashes, but without the error messages.
[01:24] <bzzzbip> i've tried both, and the only thing i get is no such file or directory
[01:24] <bzzzbip> maybe i have to install everything again
[01:24] <EvilIdler> jhaig: strace/ltrace it?
[01:25] <c0nqvistad0r> how do i install java?
[01:25] <bzzzbip> if i start the computer and the yaboot menu appears, it looks as if everything was well installed right?
[01:26] <jc-denton> why is the 5.04 install cd 611 mb?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: looks like the bootloader can't find the kernel
[01:26] <jc-denton> is gnome and stuff on it?
[01:26] <jhaig> I'll try that - I didn't know about strace and ltrace.
[01:26] <sqrt17> Has anyone else seen the image yellow or blue when GwenView (the KDE image viewer) zooms an image (I have (k)Ubuntu 5.04 on a ppc)?
[01:26] <bzzzbip> :(, yes it says "loading kernel" and then nothing
[01:27] <EvilIdler> jhaig: TRy this order of commands:
[01:27] <EvilIdler> jhaig: script, ltrace gthumb, strace gthumb, exit, then paste the contents of the file "typescript" from your current directory
[01:28] <bzzzbip> do you think i have to install everything all over again?
[01:28] <bob2`> jc-denton: of course...just the same was warty did
[01:28] <albert> i have my warty upgraded to HOARY
[01:28] <jc-denton> i dont really know warty?
[01:28] <albert> Aster the upgrade my sound stop of work
[01:28] <imran> is ubuntu secure out of the box or do I need to configure anything ?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: did you follow a howto ? Or just try it without help?
[01:29] <albert> with warty works OK
[01:29] <albert> cany have idea?
[01:29] <albert> im a little newbye with this
[01:29] <bzzzbip> yes, i followed a how to
[01:29] <bob2`> imran: "secure"?  it doesn't have any external services running, if that's what you mean
[01:29] <albert> im triying to install ubuntu on my school
[01:29] <bob2`> albert: you have permission, right?
[01:29] <jhaig> Evilldler: I'm doing that now.  I assume you don't want the entire contents of typescript pasted here.  Is there an irc channel for posting large amounts of stuff?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: which one?
[01:29] <albert> bob2`, yes
[01:29] <bzzzbip> two in fact: how to install debian on an ibook, and then the how to on the ubuntu webpage
[01:29] <albert> bob2`, im using a normal account and have the root account too
[01:29] <albert> i make a dist-upgrade
[01:30] <albert> with a new kernel too
[01:30] <bzzzbip> I partitioned the disk
[01:30] <albert> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Apr 1 16:41:33 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:30] <imran> bob2`: yep, I mean can I connect it to the internet without having to configure firewall, etc
[01:30] <EvilIdler> jhaig: sh.nu
[01:30] <bzzzbip> the first partition was "free space" the other mac osx
[01:30] <bzzzbip> i installed the macosx on the second one
[01:30] <bob2`> imran: sure, there's nothing for a wirewall to do
[01:30] <bzzzbip> then i installed ubuntu on the free space,
[01:31] <EvilIdler> jhaig: http://sh.nu/p
[01:31] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: sounds OK so far
[01:31] <bzzzbip> i was going to start the second stage of installation but, i cannot boot
[01:31] <albert> bob2`, where are located my sound config?
[01:32] <bob2`> albert: that's not the problem
[01:33] <albert> bob2`, what do you think
[01:33] <albert> ?
[01:33] <albert> i will execute my sound program
[01:33] <albert> with root
[01:33] <albert> to test
[01:33] <albert> 1 sec
[01:33] <bob2`> I doubt that's the problem
[01:33] <albert> bob2`, no idea?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: I can't really help you - I've only installed ppc Ubuntu once, and it worked fine for me
[01:34] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: with dual-boot etc
[01:34] <bzzzbip> thank you, ill erase everything and try again
[01:35] <bzzzbip> maybe there is some step im missing....
[01:35] <bzzzbip> i dont know
[01:35] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: I seem vaguely to recall needing to mark the relevant partitions bootable in the install ??
[01:35] <bzzzbip> thoreauputic: how did you do it to install? can you explain it to me?
[01:35] <Kamakazie> I go te ask for Linux/PSP help, and this is what I get
[01:36] <Kamakazie> Agntneo I'm gonna have pubic hair on my nose
[01:36] <Kamakazie> Agntneo and have 3 cocks
[01:36] <albert> any never be have a problem upgrading from warty to hoary and your sound stop?
[01:36] <albert> i can't play my cds =/
[01:36] <njs12345> albert: yes.
[01:36] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: i did pretty much what you describe, except linux was after os-x, which isn't the approved place, but seems to work fine
[01:36] <libben> I have some problems getting to connect with internet since i updated yesterday. anyone else has this problem? I have dhcp on a usb cable modem... worked fine yesterday and now its fucked.... ive activated it, restarted the cable modem... nothing works...
[01:36] <njs12345> you need to install alsa-driver from source, or at least, that's what I had to do
[01:37] <bzzzbip> maybe i should try that to put linux in the last place...
[01:37] <Kamakazie> the updates keep breaking my gnome
[01:37] <c0nqvistad0r> someone, how do i install java?
[01:37] <bzzzbip> did you make the linux partitions automatically or manually?
[01:38] <Kamakazie> c0nqvistad0r, use the Ubuntuguide
[01:38] <Kamakazie> ubuntuguide.org
[01:38] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: I just let the installer do it
[01:38] <albert> njs12345, and but from source?
[01:38] <corza> how do i work bootsplash?
[01:38] <Kamakazie> has step by step instructions
[01:38] <bzzzbip> i did the same
[01:38] <albert> njs12345, how i reinstall alsa driver from source?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> c0nqvistad0r: look at ubuntuguide.org
[01:38] <thoreauputic> c0nqvistad0r: full java instructions there
[01:39] <jhaig> Evilldler: I think it is affected by Murphy's Law - it is not crashing now that I am running it with ltrace.  ;-)
[01:39] <andrek> anyone here know how to compile lirc-modules-sources ? a guide or something?
[01:40] <EvilIdler> jhaig: That's what we call a Heisenbug - you can't actually observe it in a debugger :)
[01:40] <Kamakazie> How would someone go about writting drivers for new unidentified hardware?
[01:40] <Kamakazie> Whats the first step
[01:41] <njs12345> Kamakazie: read some books on Linux device drivers
[01:41] <albert> njs12345, how i reinstall alsa driver from source?
[01:41] <crimsun> the first thing you should do is ask whether it's really and truly unidentified.  If so, get the spec sheets from the manufacturer, pick up a copy of Linux Device Drivers, and go at it.
[01:41] <njs12345> and learn C if you dont' know it already
[01:41] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: First step is to look for specs, then to beg the hardware manufacturer for some minimal info, then a fit of depression, followed by late nights with a disassembler and whiskey
[01:42] <Kamakazie> I wanna write some modules for my PSP harware so I can get it running Lin
[01:42] <Kamakazie> EvilIdler, Wanna help me write some modules for the Sony PSP hardware?
[01:42] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: Wish I had one first :/
[01:42] <crimsun> albert: what sound chipset?  I also need lsmod, lspci(or lspnp) -v, and dmesg output.
[01:42] <Kamakazie> Sony won't give me any Info.
[01:43] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: Last I heard, they're going to be very delayed around here
[01:43] <albert> via82cxxx
[01:43] <Kamakazie> EvilIdler, Yea, the Official PSP Linux project is still finding developers to even dtart the hardware modules
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> huh. Rythmbox isn't affected by my general volume...
[01:43] <albert> but alsa detect a "CMI
[01:43] <albert> other card too
[01:43] <albert> its a little crazy no?
[01:44] <albert> like a conflict
[01:44] <crimsun> albert: that's because your dsp is a via82xx but the ac97 mixer is made by cmi.  That makes plenty of sense.
[01:44] <albert> aaa
[01:44] <Kamakazie> How did they build the modules for the hardware in the IPod
[01:44] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: I've got too many projects going already :)
[01:44] <Kamakazie> they didnt have help from apple
[01:45] <albert> crimsun, weird :S
[01:45] <albert> after the dist-upgrade all working
[01:45] <Kamakazie> Yea, so do I, I am working on Gaim, SeQ and a new Distro.
[01:45] <crimsun> albert: heh
[01:45] <albert> now my sound no :P
[01:45] <bzzzbip> thoerapuptic: a very strange thing has happened
[01:45] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: SeQ?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: try tab-complete on nicks ;) What happened?
[01:46] <bzzzbip> i've inserted the macosx install disk to do everything again, and ubuntu has started
[01:46] <bzzzbip> without saying anything
[01:46] <Kamakazie> It's just a Database immigration for handheld's me and my buddy are try to write.
[01:47] <bzzzbip> now is actualizing libraries or something
[01:47] <albert> via82cxxx
[01:47] <Kamakazie> Lots of native posix stuff, it sucks
[01:47] <albert> ERROR: Module via82cxxx is in use
[01:47] <albert> what is using this driver?
[01:47] <Kamakazie> Building the Libs for Ipod Linux musta taken forever
[01:47] <bzzzbip> it feels like a total X-file
[01:47] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: Any Palm DB support?
[01:47] <albert> crimsun, 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[01:47] <albert> is fine
[01:47] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: OK - next step if Ubuntu is running fine is to reboot and see if OS-X is there too ')
[01:47] <albert> =S
[01:47] <Jimbob> Kamakazie: Naw, you should be able to cross-compile.
[01:47] <bzzzbip> ok, ill do that :-)
[01:48] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: yeah, cue spooky music ;-)
[01:48] <Kamakazie> EvilIdler, I don't even know how to even hood up any of this hardware to even begin testing it
[01:49] <kent> Do some one know when next version of rhythmbox is due? I've heard it will ship with id3-tags support. Thats the only thing keeping me from using it, since right now I cant edit the tags and a lot of my musics has wrong tags, so the music wont get sorted :(
[01:49] <Kamakazie> But, someone has to get these modules and libs out, cause if not there will never be a PSP Linux OS
[01:49] <njs12345> kent: you can try using Easytag to tag your files :)
[01:49] <njs12345> also, I don't think rhythmbox is on a regular release schedule
[01:49] <Kamakazie> I need to find a way to probe the hardware live, like some kinda USB signal
[01:50] <kent> njs12345, I did try that program some time ago but I found the interface very bad :(
[01:50] <crimsun> albert: that's the IDE chipset driver.  You don't want to remove that.
[01:50] <njs12345> kent: it's true
[01:50] <thoreauputic> kent: I agree - try Audio tag Tool
[01:50] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: There's a Linux USB site that will point you towards USB debuggers/snooping tools
[01:51] <thoreauputic> kent: sudo apt-get install tagtool  :)
[01:51] <s_ander> kent: I'm using Audio Tag Tool, and it does an amazing good job!
[01:51] <Kamakazie> EvilIdler, I dunno if the OS can even recieve on its mini USB port, if its even listening
[01:51] <albert> crimsun, so, can u "help me"
[01:51] <corza> can someone help me with BOOTSPLASH?
[01:51] <albert> or giveme a document to read
[01:51] <albert> i need SOUND =p
[01:51] <albert> i have my birds
[01:51] <crimsun> albert: you haven't given all the information I requested.
[01:51] <albert> ok
[01:51] <albert> what u need brother
[01:51] <albert> :D
[01:52] <crimsun> albert: use http://pastebin.com for pastes.  Scroll up.
[01:52] <albert>  I also need lsmod, lspci(or lspnp) -v, and dmesg output.
[01:53] <albert> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/266453
[01:53] <kzm> Happy Sunday, everybody.
[01:53] <albert> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/266454
[01:54] <kzm> I'm looking for games suitable for children 4-6 years -- any ideas?
[01:54] <kent> thoreauputic, tagtool -  is that audio tag tool you mentioned? I've looked at their homepage, it seems nice.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> kent: yes - it is nice
[01:54] <albert> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/266455 ( lspci -v )
[01:54] <EvilIdler> kzm: Linux for Kids? A whole distro of fun
[01:54] <kent> thoreauputic, installing it now. :) Thanks
[01:55] <kzm> evilidler - well, I was thinking of continuing to use Ubuntu.
[01:55] <kzm> :-)
[01:55] <libben> is there anyway to give names to the nics? cause after all the updating yesterday the nics got switched with the eth0 to eth01 and so on... is there anyway that i can give em info... like eth0 (wlan) and so on?
[01:56] <EvilIdler> kzm: Their site would be a start for knowing the names, though. You could also check the game section on libsdl.org
[01:56] <albert> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/266456 the dmesg
[01:56] <kzm> Right - I'll see what I can find.
[01:56] <thoreauputic> kent: actually I just realised I must have made my own deb, but I think it's in the repos anyway
[01:57] <albert> crimsun, need more information?
[01:57] <crimsun> I'll look through those in a sec.
[01:57] <twentyone> any boy know where I can sleect the MicBoost in any ubuntu sound panel ? or elsewhere
[01:58] <az[a] zel> hmm I can see why people don't like gimps interface now... the focus is all broken when you use separate windows for the toolbox/image, etc
[01:59] <kent> thoreauputic, yes, at least its in the Hoary repos.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> kent: cool
[01:59] <thoreauputic> kent: I'm on warty and I compiled it and used checkinstall to make a deb
[01:59] <HiddenWolf> Anyone here able to help me figure out what's wrong with esound?
[02:00] <crimsun> twentyone: use alsamixer from the terminal (or a terminal emulator).  Failing that, use amixer.
[02:00] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: need a few minutes, I'm diagnosing albert's issue.
[02:01] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: cool
[02:01] <kent> HiddenWolf, dont you get sound from esound? I dont either. Im using Hoary. Dont know why realy. :(
[02:02] <HiddenWolf> kent: it seems some update messed up my mixer settings. apps like xine listen to the mixer now, but rythmbox et all don't
[02:02] <albert> crimsun, i go to reboot, i will test a "post" on a forum
[02:03] <albert> crimsun, look this, looks like a general problem
[02:03] <albert> crimsun, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1994.html
[02:04] <kent> HiddenWolf, I dont know what causes my problem. I can listen to music if i set gstreamer-properties to use alsa. But if i set it to esd, and try to play the audio-test, I cant hear something. It seems esd wont play sound :(
[02:04] <HiddenWolf> my problem is that alsa won't work. :S
[02:05] <crimsun> kent: have you ensured that esd is actually running before trying to play a sound?  System>Preferences>Sound>Enable sound server startup
[02:05] <crimsun> kent: then in a terminal, pgrep esd
[02:05] <kent> crimsun, yes. Its running,
[02:06] <Evildoer> crimsun, gxine does not appear on the menu after install either
[02:06] <kent> crimsun, and if i play a file with esdplay, then I get no sound :(
[02:06] <crimsun> kent: what error does gst give you when you attempt to test via System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default audio sink>ESD>Test
[02:06] <twentyone> crimsun: ok, I tried alsamixer.... but doesn't exist ;) it has been renamed under ubuntu to : aumix :)
[02:06] <twentyone> crimsun: thanks :)
[02:06] <crimsun> twentyone: no, alsamixer is in the 'alsa-utils' package.
[02:07] <kent> crimsun, I dont have that application in there. (Im using Hoary, daily updated). Its gstreamer-properties you are talking about right? I get no errors when i try the test, I just dont get any sound. which I get if I choose alsa :(
[02:08] <HawoK> hi there, someone can help me with the "new" conexant accessrunner's driver? (xdslusb / speedtouch-based)
[02:08] <crimsun> kent: so the progress bar moves during the test, but you can't hear anything?
[02:08] <kent> crimsun, yes.
[02:09] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: seems some update removed multimedia systems selector from the menu
[02:09] <crimsun> Evildoer: pkill gnome-panel
[02:10] <Evildoer> crimsun, it does not appear even after reboot
[02:11] <crimsun> Evildoer: simple enough solution: its .desktop file needs to be reworked
[02:12] <kent> Evildoer, checked if it got a .desktop-file?  either look in synaptic, or run dpkg -L gxine
[02:12] <jc-denton> can it be that the current ubuntu install cd 5.04 does not support wep for wlan?
[02:12] <Evildoer> crimsun, its Anubis, I told you about another program that did that too...just thought I'd tellyou about this one too;)
[02:12] <crimsun> kent: it does, but I venture its .desktop file uses an incorrect path.  http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gxine&version=hoary&arch=i386
[02:12] <jc-denton> at least not with ipw 2100
[02:13] <Evildoer> kent, the .desktop file is seperate from the package?
[02:13] <Evildoer> nm
[02:13] <albert> crimsun, still with no sound sfter my test :S
[02:13] <kent> crimsun, could there perhaps be some problem in my /etc/esound/esd.config that causes my problem with esd? Is there some default-file I can check against?
[02:13] <crimsun> Evildoer: we're aware of a bunch of such programs.  Make sure they're listed on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile with an appropriate note (since that one does have a .desktop file, just needs to be double-checked)
[02:14] <Evildoer> k
[02:14] <Evildoer> crimsun, rhythmbox now works!
[02:15] <crimsun> albert: which dxs_support value are you using?
[02:15] <rofflewaffle> Hi, I was wondering how much Ubuntu costs?
[02:15] <crimsun> rofflewaffle: it's free to obtain, of course.
[02:15] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=1
[02:15] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=2 - froze xmms
[02:15] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=3 - poor GStreamer and system sounds
[02:15] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=4 - worked great as well.
[02:15] <Anubis> rofflewaffle, LOL?
[02:15] <albert> the 4
[02:15] <crimsun> rofflewaffle: if you are unable to download it, fill out your postal address for ship it, and the number of cds you request will be mailed to you.
[02:15] <albert> or only need 1 ?
[02:16] <Anubis> rofflewaffle, time?
[02:16] <gss0079> rofl's, I eat rofl's for breakfast
[02:16] <bob2`> (rofflewaffle is a crapflooder/troll)
[02:16] <Anubis> ohhhh
[02:16] <crimsun> gah, thanks bob2`
[02:16] <albert> crimsun, i need only 1 line no?
[02:16] <gss0079> Why doesn't Ubuntu come with gcc and the like?
[02:16] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=4 its the correct ?
[02:16] <crimsun> albert: so you executed: modprobe snd-via82xx dxs_support=4 ?
[02:17] <crimsun> gss0079: it does.  apt-get install build-essential
[02:17] <gss0079> lol
[02:17] <albert> crimsun,
[02:17] <albert> root@ubuntu:/home/albert # modprobe -a snd-via82xx dxs_support=4
[02:17] <albert> WARNING: Module dxs_support=4 not found.
[02:17] <albert> root@ubuntu:/home/albert #
[02:17] <albert> :S
[02:17] <thoreauputic> gss0079: it's on the disc if I remember correctly
[02:17] <crimsun> gss0079: please remember that as a desktop-oriented distribution, development tools generally aren't installed by default.
[02:18] <crimsun> albert: why -a ?
[02:18] <albert> crimsun, sorry
[02:18] <gss0079> Does Ubuntu support winmodems fairly well?
[02:18] <bob2`> gss0079: as well as any other distribution
[02:18] <gss0079> =P
[02:18] <albert> without -a accept the command
[02:18] <LadyRoot> same as any other linux
[02:18] <gss0079> gah
[02:18] <albert> but no give sound working
[02:18] <albert> crimsun, i need a reboot?
[02:18] <bob2`> gss0079: there's not much anyone can do, the drivers are usually non-free and often require money
[02:18] <crimsun> albert: ok, did you remember to readjust the volumes after you loaded, unmuting as necessary?
[02:19] <gss0079> Yeah
[02:19] <albert> crimsun, yes
[02:19] <gss0079> POS windmodems
[02:19] <bob2`> tho apparently my laptop modem works with snd_i8x0m or something
[02:19] <crimsun> albert: so 4 doesn't work?  Have you tried 1?
[02:20] <claint> how come i have sound on the desktop, but none of my programs are giving out any sound?
[02:21] <albert> crimsun, nope
[02:21] <claint> bah, clicked on the wrong spot by the way
[02:21] <crimsun> claint: please describe more fully.
[02:21] <albert> crimsun, not work with 1 , 2 , 3 , 4
[02:21] <crimsun> albert: and what about the default (without any dxs_support parameters)?
[02:22] <roo_> hi all
[02:22] <roo_> :)
[02:22] <claint> crimsun: the sound card works for sound events like logon, clicks on windows, the ubuntu drums and what not. but for programs like bzflag, or java programs, i have no sound.
[02:22] <kent> crimsun, hmm. I solved it. If I opened up alsamixer and raised all of the millions of millions settings, then I now get sound from esd. Strange though, I never thought about that since i actually got sound from other applications like totem-xine etc. I didn't think there could make any difference for esd if i raised one settings in the mixer, :(
[02:22] <CaPS_> Hi
[02:22] <albert> i will go to gnome crimsun
[02:22] <albert> 1 sec
[02:23] <crimsun> claint: using ,,gstreamer-properties'', ensure your default audio sink it set to ESD, and click Test
[02:23] <crimsun> is set, rather
[02:23] <crimsun> kent: are you using the ALSA that's distributed with the Ubuntu kernel, or are you using the version from 'alsa-source' (universe)?
[02:24] <claint> crimsun : test works.
[02:24] <claint> crimsun : still no sound in java
[02:24] <crimsun> claint: make sure your audio applications are set to use esd.  For instance, if you use beep-media-player or xmms, set the output plugin to esound.
[02:25] <crimsun> claint: pkill esd, then try your java app
[02:25] <kent> crimsun, alsa from the kernel. (I think.) I have not tuched it, so it should be the default.
[02:25] <crimsun> kent: cat /proc/asound/version
[02:26] <albert> crimsun, still not working, with the all 4 options :S
[02:26] <claint> crimsun: after killing esd, i got sound in java.
[02:26] <kent> crimsun, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6 (Sun Aug 15 07:17:53 2004 UTC)
[02:28] <thoreauputic> kent: usually it says the kernel versio nit was compiled for - is that there too?
[02:28] <crimsun> claint: problem resolved.
[02:28] <crimsun> kent: yes, that's the kernel's included ALSA version.
[02:28] <kent> thoreauputic, yes. Wait a sec,.
[02:28] <kent> Compiled on Apr  1 2005 for kernel 2.6.10-5-k7
[02:28] <johnnybezak> do canonical pay any ubuntu dev's ?>
[02:28] <claint> crimsun: but i had to kill esd
[02:28] <claint> crimsun
[02:28] <claint> crimsun : not exactly a solution
[02:29] <crimsun> claint: that's why polypaudio was strongly considered
[02:29] <Hayden> is it possible to convert mpg to mov?
[02:29] <crimsun> in the end, however, polypaudio was not reasonable for Hoary.
[02:29] <claint> crimsun : cant i just choose plain alsa from gstreamer-properties?
[02:30] <crimsun> claint: sure, it's your system.  Just remember to change all your sound apps to use ALSA directly.
[02:30] <crimsun> claint: and make sure esd isn't started automatically.
[02:30] <claint> crimsun: is there a debian/ubuntu command to get it out of init execution?
[02:31] <HawoK> claint: you should give dmix a try
[02:31] <HawoK> (for that sound problem)
[02:31] <Akrame> how can i have a graphical grub on my hoary ?
[02:31] <crimsun> claint: just uncheck the "sound server startup" option
[02:31] <claint> crimsun : what's dmix?
[02:31] <HawoK> claint: sort of digital mixing
[02:31] <crimsun> claint: dmix is alsa-lib's multiplexing
[02:31] <thoreauputic> claint:  update-rc.d to change your start up scripts
[02:32] <Akrame> how can i have a graphical grub on my hoary ?
[02:32] <crimsun> Akrame: what do you mean by "graphical"?
[02:32] <crimsun> albert: did you try using 'alsa-source' from universe?
[02:33] <claint> allright, thanks everyone
[02:33] <albert> crimsun, how i try "alsa-source" ?
[02:33] <HawoK> Akrame: IIRC there is a parameter in menu.lst that allows you to put a xpm in the background
[02:33] <claint> gotta jet
[02:33] <albert> alsa-source - ALSA driver sources
[02:33] <albert> ?
[02:33] <crimsun> albert: enable the universe repository, then apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[02:33] <maddler> hmmm... anyone using openoffice? cannot understand where am I supposed to configure the printer...
[02:33] <Akrame> Hawok , ii think i have an old version of GRUB
[02:34] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: since I plugged in a headset, rythmbox uses the headset. Other programs still use the soundcard/speakers
[02:34] <albert> crimsun, installing
[02:34] <jc-denton> hrmm
[02:34] <kain> I've installed ubuntu hoary current right now, I cannot find under system -> preferences -> multimedia system selector, any ideas?
[02:34] <jc-denton> i was not asked for a root passwd during the installation
[02:34] <jc-denton> how can i set it now?
[02:34] <HiddenWolf> kain, open a terminal, try gstreamer-properties
[02:34] <crimsun> kain: it was removed, apparently.  Use ,,gstreamer-properties''
[02:34] <clowni> neither was i
[02:34] <HawoK> jc-denton: sudo passwd root
[02:34] <kain> HiddenWolf, thanks
[02:34] <[Spooky] > hey, i need some help in mounting a ntfs partion... anyone have any any idea or a howto ??
[02:35] <clowni> also i cant install nmap on it
[02:35] <HawoK> jc-denton: BUT you shouldn't use that (unless you want, which is the case =)
[02:35] <kain> HiddenWolf, wondering why it not show up in menu
[02:35] <HiddenWolf> kain: someone removed it
[02:35] <clowni> rpm is missing dependencies
[02:35] <kain> acc
[02:35] <kain> right, thanks
[02:35] <jc-denton> HawoK: ?
[02:35] <clowni> sory not rpm /distro
[02:35] <clowni> lol
[02:36] <jc-denton> isn't sudo passwd a little bit dangerous?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> clowni: enable the universe repository in package manager ( synaptic) and reload
[02:36] <clowni> ok
[02:36] <clowni> thanks
[02:36] <HawoK> jc-denton: well you may use also "sudo -i"
[02:36] <HawoK> it will open a root shell
[02:37] <bob2`> clowni: nmap installs on ubuntu just fine
[02:37] <bob2`> [Spooky] : edit /etc/fstab, add a line like this: /dev/whatever /mnt/ ntfs umask=002 0 0
[02:37] <thoreauputic> clowni: and use your user password for sudo, there's no root password by default
[02:37] <HawoK> then you can use passwd =)
[02:38] <clowni> ok
[02:38] <HiddenWolf> crimsun; how do I force rythmbox not to use my usb headset to output?
[02:38] <clowni> im used to freebsd
[02:38] <clowni> lol
[02:38] <thoreauputic> clowni: actually nmap is in main
[02:38] <clowni> ok
[02:38] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: is rb the only app that does?
[02:38] <clowni> ill look
[02:38] <thoreauputic> clowni: so universe isn't really needed for that
[02:39] <[Spooky] > bob2`: ok and how do i find out the hd? ?
[02:39] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: yup, perhaps gaim/system sounds aswell, but gxine and tvtime / other things I listen to go to my soundcard still
[02:39] <bob2`> [Spooky] : you don't know which disk it is?
[02:40] <AstralJava> Hey Dan, all.
[02:40] <[Spooky] > bob2`: yes hdb according to dmesg
[02:40] <bob2`> [Spooky] : cool.  only partition on that disk?
[02:40] <bob2`> [Spooky] : also, are you sure? afaik, windows won't boot off hdb.
[02:41] <[Spooky] > bob2`: my windows boot from another hd
[02:41] <bob2`> ah
[02:41] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: what's your device order according to /proc/asound/cards ?
[02:41] <etzerd> Hello room
[02:41] <bob2`> [Spooky] : then /dev/whatever will be /dev/hdb1
[02:41] <etzerd> guys I need some help
[02:42] <bob2`> etzerd: best to just ask your question
[02:42] <thoreauputic> etzerd: just ask
[02:42] <etzerd> this is the first time I'm using ubuntu
[02:42] <etzerd> how can I install KDE with ubuntu
[02:42] <etzerd> it seems to me it come only with gnome
[02:42] <albert> crimsun, ready, i install the alsa-source
[02:42] <albert> now what more
[02:42] <albert> ?
[02:42] <bob2`> etzerd: install kubuntu-desktop, in hoary
[02:43] <Riddell> etzerd: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[02:43] <[Spooky] > bob2`: cool it works, thanks for the help man :)
[02:43] <crimsun> albert: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source; say no to PnP, yes to debug, "via82xx"
[02:43] <clowni> thor>i typed in synaptic search"nmap" no results,typed nmap in root terminal command could not be displayed
[02:43] <clowni> just wondering where im going wrong
[02:43] <bob2`> [Spooky] : you're welcome
[02:44] <thoreauputic> clowni: have you reloaded/ or done apt-get update?
[02:44] <clowni> ok ill reload
[02:44] <clowni> brb
[02:44] <albert> crimsun, ready
[02:46] <crimsun> albert: cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver
[02:46] <crimsun> albert: err
[02:46] <crimsun> albert: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver
[02:46] <albert> crimsun, done
[02:47] <albert> make ?
[02:47] <albert> or need be reconfigured?
[02:47] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: 0: headset - 1: audigy - 2: bt878 (tvtuner) - System sounds and gaim notices go to headset, tvtime and xine go to audigy
[02:48] <crimsun> albert: sec
[02:48] <albert> crimsun, ok
[02:48] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: are you using an ~/.asoundrc || /etc/asound.conf
[02:48] <jc-denton> fuck autocomplete on ubuntu sucks :P
[02:49] <jc-denton> i need a space after pressing tab
[02:49] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: neither
[02:50] <lok> jc-denton, you have a space only if no other commands exists but if you have the command foo and foobar pressing tab after foo don't make a space
[02:50] <lok> it's the same on for all distribution
[02:50] <lok> -on
[02:51] <PecK> hey all
[02:52] <clowni> hey peck
[02:52] <jc-denton> lok: ah sry
[02:52] <jc-denton> i saw
[02:52] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: odd, I don't know off the top of my head why that's the case.  Try with a new user (make sure $USER is in the appropriate groups).
[02:52] <jc-denton> there is dhclient and dhclient3
[02:52] <jc-denton> i never saw dhclient3 before
[02:53] <PecK> what application would you recommend for developping websites. i'll be using xml, css, php and html mainly
[02:53] <crimsun> albert: sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[02:53] <lok> jc-denton, try ls -l on dhclient I'm pretty sure that it links to dhclient3 ;)
[02:53] <clowni> whats the uptime in here on some machines running ubuntu
[02:54] <kain> PecK, try bluefish
[02:54] <clowni> i seen a debian machine other night 346 days up
[02:54] <jc-denton> lok: yes it is
[02:54] <jc-denton> if i mount a volume via ssh on gnome
[02:54] <jc-denton> how can i access it then via terminal?
[02:54] <PecK> kain, downloading, will try, thx :)
[02:54] <Gandalfar> how can I disable apt authentication features?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> clowni: umm...ubuntu has only existed since Otober 2004 :)
[02:55] <clowni> ok dude
[02:55] <crimsun> Gandalfar: not sure why you'd want to do such...
[02:55] <lok> jc-denton, sorry I don't know much about ssh
[02:55] <jc-denton> its more about gnome
[02:55] <Gandalfar> crimsun: because I want to add repository that doesn't have signed files
[02:55] <jc-denton> i used the before but with fuse
[02:55] <lok> but cd /mount/point seems to will works
[02:55] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: how about switching the device order so the headset comes after the soundcard?
[02:55] <albert> crimsun, /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/../alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:55] <albert> crimsun, i need to install that .deb generated?
[02:55] <crimsun> Gandalfar: it will work, too, but you'll have to answer "yes" to the question regarding wanting to install unauthenticated packages
[02:56] <crimsun> albert: yes
[02:56] <thoreauputic> clowni:  1    25 days, 05:16:54 | Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386      Tue Mar  1 07:05:04 2005  ( several kernel updates here)
[02:56] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: sure.  Is the headset using snd-usb-audio?
[02:56] <thoreauputic> that's the highest so far
[02:56] <clowni> nice@that thor
[02:56] <libben> If i send my specs to ubuntu db, where can I find this db and read other entries?
[02:56] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: it should be
[02:56] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[02:57] <kain> I've removed (purged) every -it (my language) packages, done dpkg-reconfigure to generate an en_US locale, but gnome is still my language, what's wrong? top menu is english now, but entries are italian
[02:57] <HiddenWolf> options snd-usb-audio index=-2
[02:57] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: takes effect next time you load snd-usb-audio.ko
[02:57] <kain> dpkg-reconfigure locales*
[02:57] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: probably easiest to reboot
[02:57] <Gandalfar> crimsun: not really, gpgv fails .. complaining that repository is not in bzip2 format?
[02:57] <kain> it is a home-related stuff?
[02:58] <crimsun> Gandalfar: apt understands both gzipped and bzip2ed {Packages,Release,Sources}
[02:58] <spiral> hi
[02:58] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, on my way
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, still not working
[02:59] <Gandalfar> crimsun: please tell me why following line:  deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./
[02:59] <Gandalfar>      fails on ubuntu, yet works on debian sarge
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, need a reboot?
[02:59] <crimsun> Gandalfar: I don't know, I've never used that repo.
[02:59] <crimsun> albert: probably easiest, yes.
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, brb
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, a, thanx
[02:59] <Gandalfar> crimsun: how can I fix it?
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, u need be gold helper ;)
[03:00] <albert> not silver :p
[03:00] <pippo> ho quasi finito di avere la mia bella ubunto pronta. Mancano gli ultimi rotocchi: le icone che si vedono sullo sfondo sono troppo grandi....da dove posso modificare questa impostazione?
[03:00] <crimsun> albert: that's for the FN network ;)
[03:01] <libben> im reading the output that i get from hdparm... now. my dvd stutters in totem... and i checked hdparm -d /dev/hdc and it said it was of. how do i set it to on? cause -d just get status from it
[03:01] <crimsun> libben: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:01] <libben> l
[03:01] <bzzzbip> thoreapuptic: It looks as if ubuntu is already installed on my ibook!
[03:01] <libben> aah,... a small L =)
[03:02] <bzzzbip> but: how do I start a graphical desktop?
[03:02] <clowni>  startx
[03:02] <bzzzbip> now ive logged in in the shell
[03:02] <HiddenWolf> clowni: rather: gdm
[03:02] <libben> crimsun, i cant find the l part in the output screen from just typing hdparm..
[03:02] <clowni> srry
[03:02] <bzzzbip> startx? ok
[03:03] <clowni> gdm
[03:03] <clowni> type
[03:03] <bzzzbip> Im a totally newbie to linux
[03:03] <bzzzbip> so startx or gdm?
[03:03] <clowni> gdm
[03:03] <bzzzbip> thanks
[03:03] <crimsun> libben: that's the numeral one (1)
[03:03] <crimsun> libben: not a lowercase "el"
[03:04] <adam_> hey guys
[03:04] <libben> 1 l
[03:04] <libben> looked the same =) damn font =)
[03:04] <crimsun> libben: yeah, I have that problem at times ;)
[03:05] <Liz> can anyone help me restore my usb modules?..they're all disappeared
[03:05] <bzzzbip> it says: "command not found" wether i type startx or gdm
[03:05] <libben> crimsun, well cant find the 1 value anywere
[03:05] <libben> how should i get to know what 1 does... except u telling me =)
[03:05] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: I don't think the install is complete
[03:06] <crimsun> libben: man 8 hdparm
[03:06] <albert> crimsun, i see the error my friend
[03:06] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: try typing   sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <crimsun> libben: :)
[03:06] <adam_> guys, im running 64 bit, updated and all, and it sees my 9800 pro video card, but wont let me change my resolution to anything above 1024x768 can someone help?
[03:06] <albert> crimsun, its a NEW option on ALSA for Via Audio drivers
[03:06] <albert> crimsun, called EIC958 Monitor
[03:07] <albert> crimsun, on "Switches" all options need to be disable
[03:07] <albert> only enable PCM and Master
[03:07] <libben> dident looked in the -d section text... only scrolled to find the -1 part =)
[03:07] <libben> hmm...
[03:08] <Dreamer3> ok, my hoary system has been up 2 days, and i'm totally out of memory (512mb)... it just gradually disappeared
[03:08] <TheBoneSilver> Giorno a tutti
[03:08] <albert> TheBoneSilver, buen dia :)
[03:08] <HiddenWolf> Will the nvidia nforce drivers allow me to set DMA to my drives?
[03:08] <TheBoneSilver> Hello albert :D
[03:08] <Dreamer3> this hapepned on warty as well, but much closed, maybe 30-40 days...
[03:09] <xxenon> where does xine look for win32 codecs ? (.dll)
[03:09] <Dreamer3> never before ubuntu have i seen this... can anyone help me?
[03:09] <roo_> Dreamer3, looks like u have a memory leak in one of ur apps :/
[03:09] <albert> how i set my Gnome to use the "Browse mode" and not the "My computer" look ?
[03:09] <albert> TheBoneSilver, sup :)
[03:09] <crimsun> Dreamer3: make sure you're running the latest Hoary kernel
[03:09] <libben> what do i type to see my specs for my hds and partitions... mount wasnt satisfying enough for me
[03:09] <roo_> crimsun, Dreamer3, i doubt its a kernel issue..
[03:09] <PecK> hey again, still can't get firefox to quit... how can I kill it?
[03:09] <bet0x> crimsun, you are documenting all problems solved here
[03:10] <roo_> PecK, in terminal "sudo killall firefox-bin"
[03:10] <bet0x> crimsun, like a "FAQ"
[03:10] <PecK> roo_, thx ;)
[03:10] <Dreamer3> crimsun: were there known problems with one a few days ago?
[03:10] <bet0x> PecK, or "sudo pkill firefox"
[03:10] <thoreauputic> xxenon: /usr/lib/  I think
[03:11] <crimsun> Dreamer3: if one is very, very savvy with kernel exploits, possibly
[03:11] <crimsun> Dreamer3: in most situations, however, it's a userspace application that's not freeing/deleting dynamically allocated memory properly
[03:11] <thoreauputic> xxenon: /usr/lib/win32
[03:11] <Bruno> hello
[03:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah... i will reboot here in a sec (i noticed the kernel upgrade a day or two ago)...
[03:11] <PecK> bet0x, roo_ , didn't work. still tells me default profile is in use, can't use it, so won't start
[03:12] <roo_> crimsun, agreed. i'd say its a memory leak. Dreamer3 which apps have u had running for those 3 days?
[03:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i didn't know apps could do that... there isn't OS cleanup or something?
[03:12] <roo_> PecK, in term "ps -A | grep firefox"  -- what does that give u?
[03:12] <Bruno> I just re-intalled ubuntu and I think I'm missing stuff on my repository,
[03:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3: if only, heh.
[03:12] <PecK> and roo_ when I tried the command you gave the console told me that no Firefox is in use
[03:12] <Bruno> can anybody tell me what else should I have in there besides default?
[03:13] <bet0x> PecK, on a terminal put "ps ax | grep firefox"
[03:13] <PecK> roo_, nothing
[03:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, how would one go about tracking which program it is?
[03:13] <Waffer> my sound quality in ubuntu is bad, but its ok in windows, what could be wrong?
[03:13] <bet0x> PecK, its running ?
[03:13] <roo_> Dreamer3, are you using any custom/strange/non-standard applets or anything? gdesklets? superkaramba?
[03:13] <PecK> bet0x, yes
[03:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: there are a number of C library options; on a per-application basis, try running with valgrind
[03:13] <PecK> bet0x, roo_ ,  7954 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep firefox
[03:13] <bet0x> PecK, kill the PID, "kill -9 PID"
[03:13] <Dreamer3> roo_: no... i have the moon thingy :)
[03:13] <bet0x> PecK, is not runing
[03:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: that quickly moves into development territory
[03:14] <PecK> bet0x, lool
[03:14] <bet0x> hum
[03:14] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah, i see
[03:14] <roo_> Dreamer3, difficult to track/trace.
[03:14] <crimsun> Waffer: what sound chipset?
[03:14] <Dreamer3> roo_: bummer
[03:14] <roo_> Dreamer3, when you say ur mem is "full".. how do u know?
[03:14] <Dreamer3> roo_: because rebooting every 2 days isn't gonna work :)
[03:14] <Tomasitas> hallo
[03:14] <thoreauputic> PecK: could be the GUI without the program - try xkill , then zap it with the  mouse
[03:14] <roo_> Dreamer3, does your system grind to a halt?
[03:14] <PecK> bet0x, any ideas?
[03:14] <Waffer> crimsum: I think its realtek alc655
[03:14] <bet0x> PecK, thinking..
[03:14] <Dreamer3> roo_: 512mb in use, and my swap keeps growing and things get very slow... yet i could close and restart X and go to console and all my memory would still be in use...
[03:15] <libben> what do i type to see my specs for my hds and partitions... mount wasnt satisfying enough for me
[03:15] <crimsun> Waffer: so you're using the snd-intel8x0 driver?
[03:15] <PecK> thoreauputic, there's no GUI window running in fact
[03:15] <PecK> bet0x, thx
[03:15] <thoreauputic> PecK: OK
[03:15] <Dreamer3> roo_: i imagine it would grind to a halt if it kept going :) but i have 512mb swap
[03:15] <Bruno> Does anybody here work on a 3d desktop?
[03:15] <crimsun> Waffer: make sure your mixer sliders aren't set to too high a level
[03:15] <woodywart1> Has Ubuntu 5.04 been released yet
[03:15] <roo_> Dreamer3, hmm, very odd. Running hoary you say?
[03:15] <Tomasitas> who can help me with cinfiguring grub?
[03:15] <Dreamer3> roo_: yes
[03:16] <bet0x> PecK, cd ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[03:16] <Dreamer3> roo_: fetching today's updates now, then i will reboot
[03:16] <Waffer> crimsun: how can I check what driver im using?
[03:16] <roo_> Dreamer3, ok, we can try valgrind i suppose to try and find the leak.. :/
[03:16] <roo_> Dreamer3, try update first tho.
[03:16] <bet0x> PecK, and remove the XXXXXXX.default directory
[03:16] <Dreamer3> roo_: does valgrind just run and watch things or you ahve to "profile" apps one at a time?
[03:16] <linuxboy> I got a 5 button mouse, can u ise the extra 2 buttons in ubuntu ?
[03:17] <roo_> Dreamer3, it can give you the mem allocation of single apps, amongst other things.
[03:17] <bet0x> PecK, u can edit the profiles.ini on the same direcroty
[03:17] <PecK> bet0x, won't that delete my default profile? That's what I was trying to avoid, so I won't lose everything I configured
[03:17] <bet0x> PecK, and set the correct profile for you
[03:18] <Tomasitas> pleezzzzz. help me :( how to configure grub? i can't load windows :(
[03:18] <bet0x> PecK, what u have on the profiles.ini ?
[03:18] <Waffer> crimsun: thx, I lowered the pcm level, and now its fine :)
[03:19] <bet0x> PecK, put the StartWithLastProfile=1 in StartWithLastProfile=0
[03:19] <PecK> bet0x,
[03:19] <PecK> bet0x, firefox still tells me default's in use
[03:20] <bet0x> PecK, what works for me
[03:20] <PecK> don't get it
[03:21] <thoreauputic> PecK: do you have something else that uses moz/firefox running ? nvu or moz composer?
[03:22] <freewoody> My firefox crashes at least once a day. What could be the problem?
[03:22] <crimsun> Waffer: great.
[03:22] <tck> freewoody, what version.
[03:23] <Skid> hi folks, i really need some help getting my wifi card working.. it's an adaptec ultra wifi pcmcia card... running 2.6.10-32 um and have tried using wlan-ng, but i get fromt he syslog, fatal unable to load prsim2_cs module
[03:23] <bet0x> other happy user PecK =p
[03:23] <Skid> i've tried everything.. before i had unsupported card in socket1
[03:23] <PecK> thoreauputic, nothing I can *see*, and nothing in theory
[03:24] <freewoody> I am using 1.02
[03:24] <PecK> bet0x, u bet :) i've been dual-booting with win and mandrake/red hat/knoppix... since i've ran into ubuntu, I just forgot about the dual boot
[03:24] <thoreauputic> PecK: I'd back up my .mozilla directory, restart and put things back bit by bit afterwards to find the culprit...
[03:26] <PecK> thoreauputic, bet0x advised me something similar. I ended up creating a new profile and now will copy files and definitions from the XXXX.default to the new XXX.PecK folder
[03:26] <jc-denton> how do i configure the mta installed by ubuntu
[03:26] <thoreauputic> PecK: yes, at least you'll know what the problem was if you restore in stages
[03:27] <PecK> thoreauputic, :) hopefully
[03:27] <thoreauputic> jc-denton:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix  ?
[03:28] <jc-denton> can i also install something like nullmailer on debian?
[03:29] <jc-denton> i dont want port 25 open
[03:29] <Dreamer3> ok, from the console before i rebooted 400mb was in use (that's after forgetting about cache, buffers, etc)... after reboot it was 48mb with all services reloaded...
[03:29] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: $ apt-cache search nullmailer
[03:29] <thoreauputic> nullmailer - simple relay-only mail transport agent
[03:29] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: so , yes you can
[03:29] <jc-denton> thoreauputic: i know
[03:29] <jc-denton> but will it break something
[03:29] <jc-denton> ?
[03:30] <thoreauputic> why would it?
[03:30] <jc-denton> i just wonder why ubuntu is shipped with postfix
[03:30] <jc-denton> the following packages will be removed:
[03:30] <jc-denton> ubuntu-base
[03:30] <thoreauputic> apt will tell you if installing it will be a problem
[03:30] <jc-denton> lol
[03:30] <thoreauputic> ah
[03:30] <roo_> Dreamer3, but u say that'll keep rising with time, right?
[03:30] <rizla> hi
[03:30] <thoreauputic> that could be an issue ... ;)
[03:31] <rizla> does anybody use mldonkey-gui?
[03:31] <jc-denton> but ubuntu base just contains documentation
[03:31] <roo_> Dreamer3, can you paste output of:      /bin/ps -A -o user,pid,pcpu,pmem,vsz,rss,tty,s,stime,time,args
[03:31] <roo_> Dreamer3, into pastebin.com
[03:31] <libben> anyone, what do i type to see my specs for my hds and partitions... mount wasnt satisfying enough for me
[03:31] <roo_> Dreamer3, repeat, into pastebin.com :)
[03:32] <roo_> libben, sudo fdisk /dev/hd{a,b.. whatever}
[03:32] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: ah, it's just a meta-package
[03:32] <Kikyo1> Hey hey.
[03:32] <bet0x> hey, how i can remove the KDE apps from my Gnome Menu?
[03:32] <roo_> libben, then "p" at the fdisk prompt will give u a partition table.
[03:32] <Kikyo1> Could anyone give em a quicky helpey? :)
[03:32] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: depends on a bunch of things is all
[03:32] <garrut> libben: fdisk -l
[03:32] <jc-denton> and what is strange too is that debconf does use dialog (hey ur on a gnome desktop)
[03:32] <Kikyo1> I'm wondering how I mount an ISO file from the console to like /media/cdrom2/
[03:33] <roo_> Kikyo1, mount -o loop file.iso /media/cdrom2/
[03:33] <Kikyo1> Thanks! :)
[03:34] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: removing ubuntu-base shouldn't break anything, as it's a metapackage
[03:34] <libben> fdisk -l dident help much garrut...  displayed nothing
[03:34] <roo_> Kikyo1, np :)
[03:34] <roo_> libben, sudo fdisk -l
[03:34] <Kikyo1> :)
[03:36] <jc-denton> and how can i customize the applications menu?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: are you on hoary?
[03:36] <libben> roo_, thxs... why dident it whine and moan about sudo? just typing fdisk -l dident say anything... as it usually does when sudo is requiered
[03:37] <jc-denton> yes
[03:37] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: if so, you need a menu editor (left out in gnome 2.10 ;/  )
[03:37] <Dreamer3> did every ubuntu system get this april fools joke thing?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: Amaranth has written one...
[03:37] <roo_> libben, no idea. mine moans :)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: I don't have the link handy...
[03:37] <garrut> Dreamer3: i did (hoary), that was fucking scary
[03:37] <garrut> :)
[03:37] <roo_> libben, rule of thumb; any program that can damage/impair your system if not used properly will be protected by sudo.
[03:38] <roo_> garrut, Dreamer3 what april fools joke? :/
[03:38] <Xappe> hmm, are there updates in progress? I get gpg errors from hoary-security
[03:38] <jc-denton> thoreauputic: how do i find it?
[03:38] <Dreamer3> garrut: does anyone think that things that lat could hurt ubuntu's viability as a corp desktop?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: it's on the forums... I'm looking now
[03:39] <jc-denton> ah thx
[03:39] <garrut> Dreamer3: why, it's not like anything was changed
[03:39] <roo_> haha, ive just seen it. its awesome, i love some of the humour in F/OSS
[03:39] <roo_> :)
[03:40] <Dreamer3> garrut: i think it set a bad precedent for paranoid system admins...
[03:40] <Dreamer3> garrut: what will they push to all my PCs next, and haloween backdrop?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390&highlight=menu+editor+hoary
[03:41] <garrut> Dreamer3: i thought it was funny, and it only happened if you used the default, if you were using a custom one it stayed the same
[03:41] <swschulz_> What was it?
[03:41] <jc-denton> if i undersand it right
[03:42] <jc-denton> i cannot make changes to the menu without using an unoffical package?
[03:42] <TheBoneSilver> Sorry , do you use aMule ?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: I think you can trust Amaranth :)
[03:42] <Dreamer3> garrut: garrut i assume is hoary had been realeased it would not have happened
[03:43] <Zepticon> hi... Is there any way to get Opera to work on my AMD 64 system?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: he's in and out here and in the dev channel all the time :)
[03:43] <Dreamer3> garrut: pushing such an update from a security only mirror i would view as ever more shady
[03:43] <sexytiger> hey, I had an Nvidia Geforce 4 MX440 but yesterday I changed it for an ATI radeon 9200 pro, and now the X server won't start, how do I install ATI drivers?
[03:43] <HighlanderMcLoud> hi guys/girls
[03:43] <jc-denton> well thats not the point
[03:43] <crimsun> sexytiger: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:43] <jc-denton> there MUST BE ONE
[03:43] <jc-denton> i think
[03:44] <roo_> heh, jc-denton, nope :)
[03:44] <sexytiger> thanks
[03:44] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: complain to the gnome people ;)
[03:44] <jc-denton> hehe
[03:44] <HighlanderMcLoud> April 6th is confirmed as release date for new ubuntu?
[03:44] <andrek> is there a way i change between LCD and TV without restarting X?
[03:44] <roo_> jc-denton, thank Gnome, Destroyer of Menu Editors.
[03:45] <wezzer-> what?
[03:45] <garrut> Dreamer3: i think it's ok, it's just a different picture, but i see what you mean and you're probably right about it not happening in the official release, there are probably some people here on warty who can confirm that
[03:45] <wezzer-> April 6th?
[03:45] <crimsun> HighlanderMcLoud: 8 April, 2005
[03:46] <Dreamer3> garrut: i mean i'm not up in arms over it or anything, just saying :)
[03:46] <jc-denton> i was already bitching at #gnome cos u cannot access gnome-vfs via shell
[03:46] <Dreamer3> garrut: not something i'd expect on my RHEL box...
[03:47] <cyborg> hi
[03:47] <HighlanderMcLoud> crimsun: thanks
[03:47] <crimsun> HighlanderMcLoud: np
[03:47] <HighlanderMcLoud> someone perhaps knows how to get free hosting at dotgeeks.org?
[03:48] <HighlanderMcLoud> or some other free php5/mysql hosting service?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3  I'm on Warty and the *picture* was not part of the updates ;-)
[03:49] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: yeah :)
[03:49] <jc-denton> is there an easy way to install fuse on ubuntu?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, the people using hoary are not corporate types :)
[03:50] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: says who? :)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: apt-cache search fuse >>fuse-source - Filesystem in USErspace (source for kernel module)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> fuse-utils - Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, heh, well I guess some are :)
[03:51] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: thoguht i agree anyone actively deploying is a little ahead of the game...
[03:54] <Dreamer3> wow, got quiet, did everyone go to church/
[03:55] <Merovingian> In what country did Ubuntu originate?
[03:56] <roo_> Merovingian, how do you mean? You mean the Ubuntu project, or the name?
[03:56] <Merovingian> Aah, sponsored by Canonical Ltd
[03:56] <jc-denton> thoreauputic: they will work with the standard kernel?
[03:57] <Dreamer3> what's the best way to have a script that is supposed to run all the time btu STAY up?
[04:01] <ubuntoid> Dreamer3:  stay up?
[04:03] <looksaus> anyone knows a secure web statistics package?
[04:03] <looksaus> preferably not written in perl like awstats or webalize
[04:03] <looksaus> r
[04:04] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: yes, i don't want it to die...
[04:04] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: i was running getmail from cron every 5 minutes... but lately i've been getting messages 5-10 times so i think the downloads are taking too long and it's running multiple getmails simultaneously (that's my best guess), but i need to fix this, very annoying
[04:05] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: it needs to run as my user, so i'm not really sure about putting it in init.d as a daemon
[04:06] <ubuntoid> Oh, typically one could use nohup, but that wouldn't work in this instance.
[04:06] <ubuntoid> Almost need to create some code to check for a pid and not run if another instance is already running
[04:06] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: a bash script to run it every 5 minutes is trivial, i just don't know where to launch that script from
[04:06] <neofeed> doth anyone know how to remove sticker (those you iron onto objects) from a cap(headgear)
[04:06] <neofeed> ?
[04:06] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: so you think ishould write a wrapped, and keep using it from cron?
[04:07] <ubuntoid> That's probably what I would do
[04:08] <thoreauputic> neofeed: that's amazingly off-topic ! *grin*
[04:08] <andreaussi> qlcn puo aiutarmi?
[04:08] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: hmmm... it's a python program... so pidof getmail doesn't work
[04:08] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: he's wanting to put a ubuntu sticker in it's place...
[04:08] <neofeed> thoreauputic, nah it's not... I have a cap with a weird sticker I want to remove to place an ubuntu sticker onto it
[04:08] <thoreauputic> neofeed: my apologies ;-)
[04:09] <neofeed> thoreauputic, see everything is related :P
[04:09] <Dalkus> neofeed, looked at google...?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> neofeed: yes, my eyes have been opened ;-)
[04:09] <neofeed> Dalkus, yep. But I guess due to my inability to find the right phrases I can't find a suitable howto...
[04:10] <neofeed> I suspect it should work with boiling water... -- maybe? or Do I have to sharp it off? --
[04:10] <Dalkus> try *shrugs*
[04:11] <neofeed> tuxmobil.org/howto_remove_microsoft_label.html  -- hmmm... no
[04:11] <thoreauputic> neofeed: try the point of the iron to heat it, and see if you can prise it off with a knife slipped under the corner?
[04:11] <andreaussi> qlcn parla italiano?
[04:12] <neofeed> thoreauputic, you mean the tool to iron clowth?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> neofeed: yes
[04:12] <thoreauputic> andreaussi:  /join #ubuntu-it
[04:12] <andreaussi> thanks
[04:13] <buerste> hey
[04:13] <intero> hi
[04:13] <neofeed> TheMuso, will try.
[04:13] <neofeed> thoreauputic, that was for you anyway ;)
[04:13] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: ok, bash script it is, now where to launch it...
[04:13] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: i could just start it with my x session, no?
[04:14] <buerste> i used this howto: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Install_chroot to do a 32bit chroot, but if i want to sudo dpkg -i cedega_4.1-1_i386.deb, this error occures: sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[04:14] <buerste> Password:postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[04:14] <andreaussi> ubuntu-it doesen't exist
[04:14] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: yes it does
[04:15] <thoreauputic> #ubuntu-it
[04:15] <Dreamer3> why will killall getmail work, but not pidof?
[04:15] <buerste> already solved my problem
[04:15] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: probably you forgot the #
[04:15] <crimsun> Dreamer3: how are you using pidof?
[04:15] <Dreamer3> crimsun: pidof name
[04:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: that returns pids
[04:16] <andreaussi> i've type /join #ubuntu-it but  That chanel doesen't exist
[04:16] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: currently 16 in that channel including me ( temporarily)
[04:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: except in this case it doesn't return anything, which is my problem
[04:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: use pgrep instead
[04:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i would blame it on the fact that it's a bash script, but killall seems to know what to do with it
[04:16] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: *sigh* I'm in it *right now*
[04:17] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: and so are you now, but don't bother apologising....
[04:17] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks!
[04:17] <crimsun> Dreamer3: np
[04:17] <mdke> is there a tool which will help me rename a lot of image files according to their date?
[04:18] <intero> can i say warty is the stable version while hoary is less stable (as sarge and sid)? i am trying to figure out the difference
[04:18] <mdke> intero, yes
[04:18] <ohgood> mdke: krename is .o.k., if you can stand k-stuffs
[04:18] <intero> mdke: thanks
[04:18] <sal002> Morning
[04:18] <mdke> ohgood, not really, i don't have any k-stuff libs, command line would be fine?
[04:18] <ohgood> mdke: or you can write you own ;)
[04:18] <intero> mdke: and do names change from time to time?
[04:18] <mdke> intero, 6 months
[04:19] <mdke> inetd, hoary is out on april 8
[04:19] <sal002> Is apt-get upgrade on woary failing in unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.10-5-386?  It seems to be hanging
[04:19] <intero> mdke: they both change, or just one?
[04:19] <mdke> intero, hoary will become the latest stable version, and the new testing version will begin shortly after that
[04:19] <crimsun> sal002: it may take a long time on a slow machine with very little free memory
[04:20] <sal002> 2.2 Ghz Sempron with 512 Megs memory?
[04:20] <mdke> sal002, if you're using synaptic try opening the terminal tab
[04:20] <jc-denton> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769&highlight=xorg+Extensions
[04:20] <intero> mdke: fine, thanks a lot
[04:20] <mdke> sal002, it may be asking you a question
[04:20] <andrek> is there a way i change between LCD and TV without restarting X?
[04:20] <sal002> Don't see anything
[04:20] <jc-denton> i always get Parse error on line 1 of section (null)
[04:20] <jc-denton> but i did as described in the howto
[04:20] <sal002> Just says "Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[04:20] <jc-denton> do i have to install something aditionally to xcompmgr?
[04:21] <Dreamer3> ok... i don't know how the script can check for a previously running instance, because it keeps seeing itself and dying...
[04:21] <sal002> I'll reboot and try again...
[04:21] <crimsun> Dreamer3: use a pid file or a stamp file in a secure fashion.
[04:21] <mwh_> is there an irc channel for motu?
[04:22] <crimsun> mwh_: we're in ubuntu-motu
[04:22] <mwh_> ahh
[04:22] <thoreauputic> mwh_: #ubuntu-motu
[04:22] <mwh_> thanks
[04:22] <jc-denton> i googled quite a while for that error and couldn't find anything
[04:23] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah, just compairing against $$ works
[04:23] <jc-denton> woops
[04:23] <jc-denton> sry
[04:23] <jc-denton> i had a typo in that file
[04:24] <Dreamer3> ok, what file do i put EDITOR= in so crontab will know to use vi? i can never remember, .profile, .bashrc, etc?
[04:25] <sobanet> can anyone here point me to a good newsreader that doesnt want to blow out the ubuntu desktop?
[04:25] <Dreamer3> sobanet: huh?
[04:25] <mdke> sobanet, i use pan
[04:25] <sobanet> Dreamer3: a usenet reader
[04:26] <Dreamer3> ?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> sobanet: pan
[04:26] <sobanet> ah
[04:26] <sgtshatta> question?? how does one add a window manager to the gdm startup??
[04:26] <sobanet> thanks muchly
[04:26] <Dreamer3> *.bashrc?
[04:26] <lok> .xinitrc ?
[04:27] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, or just specify it in the script
[04:27] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: ?
[04:27] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i'm wanting to change the default editor that crontab uses to edit files
[04:27] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, I see - I thought you just wanted it for a script
[04:28] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: ok, added it to .bashrc
[04:28] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, what about update-alternatives
[04:28] <Dreamer3> i do'nt think i should switch distros anymore, too much work
[04:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: nah, that changes it for everyone :)
[04:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: but thanks, i didn't know that worked also :)
[04:29] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, yes that's a global setting
[04:30] <Dreamer3> ok, let see if my new getmail script works :)
[04:31] <Dreamer3> what a lazy day
[04:31] <Kamakazie> Hey, anyone know howto boot into dos, with no floppy disk?
[04:31] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: yeah, install DOS
[04:31] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, update-alternatives shows  "editor" pointing to vim anyway :/
[04:32] <Kamakazie> No, I just need it to start a non bootable windows disc
[04:32] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: oh, well, that's not it then
[04:32] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: huh?
[04:32] <buerste> hi still got a little problem with chrooting
[04:32] <Kamakazie> i am trying to dual boot win corporate with ubuntu
[04:32] <Dreamer3> does evms talk lvm2 YET?
[04:33] <buerste> cant access my cdrom in chroot
[04:33] <buerste> this is the fstab file: /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:33] <buerste> ./media/cdrom    /var/chroot/media/cdrom none    bind            0       0
[04:33] <buerste> (without the dot)
[04:34] <Dreamer3> darn it
[04:34] <Myrtti> buerste: hint: / /media/cdrom
[04:34] <Dreamer3> how do oyu change screen in evmsn
[04:34] <Myrtti> /media/cdrom
[04:34] <buerste> ?
[04:34] <Dreamer3> YES!
[04:35] <Dreamer3> about time!