[00:02] <alex_portugal> What can i do now?
[00:02] <lcb> alex_portugal: better, thunderbird  - Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Certificates
[00:03] <alex_portugal> OK!
[00:03] <alex_portugal> Im There!
[00:03] <alex_portugal> and now?
[00:04] <lcb> alex_portugal: under View Certificates | Servers, delete the ones Thunder is using
[00:05] <lcb> TheBuntu: the model of the router you are using
[00:05] <lcb> brand/model
[00:09] <alex_portugal> The same....
[00:10] <TheBuntu> lcb: im just use one of those free website's for her.... that way my computer is safer
[00:11] <lcb> TheBuntu: in a general sense you need to open port 80.
[00:13] <lcb> TheBuntu: is she using the same router?
[00:14] <lcb> TheBuntu: because you might have that port blocked and on hers isn't...
[00:14] <TheBuntu> lcb: yes... but im just going to put her html file on one of the free websites.....    that way they are system is safer
[00:14] <lcb> TheBuntu: only one html?
[00:15] <TheBuntu> have not got everything done yet
[00:16] <alex_portugal> i must go.... tomorow i will continue searching!
[00:16] <alex_portugal> Thanks
[00:16] <alex_portugal> (:
[00:16] <lcb> alex_portugal: last resort... sudo dpkg reconfigure thunderbird
[00:16] <alex_portugal> thanks
[00:17] <lcb> alex_portugal: try #ubuntu-pt also
[00:17] <TheBuntu> lcb: here's the router   belkin F6D4230-4 v2
[00:17] <lcb> i'll go there if you want
[00:17] <lcb> TheBuntu: let me check
[00:17] <GISmonster> hey guys
[00:17] <alex_portugal> thanks
[00:17] <GISmonster> how is up?
[00:17] <lcb> alex_portugal: sorry / lamento :)
[00:17] <GISmonster> I am under GNOME is it a problem?
[00:18] <lcb> a huge one
[00:18] <GISmonster> come on, I have KDE installed too
[00:18] <lcb> because people here uses KDE
[00:18] <GISmonster> don't wanna switch
[00:18] <lcb> ahh ok :p
[00:19] <lcb> GISmonster: my experience tells me they do not cohabit very well, with some packages/functioning etc
[00:19] <TheBuntu> for gnome...   #ubuntu
[00:19] <GISmonster> :D i have no problems
[00:19] <GISmonster> thinking about adding Xfce too
[00:19] <lcb> ohh a happy customer!!!
[00:20] <GISmonster> sure... I mean under linux the is usually only one problem
[00:20] <lcb> GISmonster: well, when you have all graphical interfaces installed let us know how is terminal working
[00:20] <GISmonster> and it is connected to the neck of the costumer :P
[00:20] <GISmonster> :D ok
[00:20] <lcb> hehehe
[00:20] <GISmonster> sure i will...
[00:21] <lcb> ok, checking TheBuntu router
[00:21] <GISmonster> well, next step will be to write my own
[00:21] <GISmonster> There is only one golden rule: think twice before update :D
[00:28] <GISmonster> hey are there any russians here?
[00:30] <lcb> yes, undercovered tough
[00:32] <lcb> TheBuntu: on the left pane, under Firewall, Virtual Servers, then "Add" select Web Server
[00:33] <lcb> TheBuntu: in meanwhile, you should make use of another setting to update your dyndns account. let me know when you are done with that one
[00:45] <TheBuntu> lcb: works
[00:46] <lcb> TheBuntu: :) ok. let me see how to update your dyndns on your router
[00:47] <TheBuntu> lcb: ip adding works.... host name dont
[00:47] <lcb> ok, wait... TheBuntu
[00:47] <lcb> probably is a router matter too
[00:52] <lcb> TheBuntu: Firewall > DDNS Service; Enter your DynDNS.org user name in the “User Name” field  ; Enter your DynDNS.org password in the “Password” field ; Enter the DynDNS.org domain name you set up with DynDNS.org
[00:52] <lcb> in the “Domain Name” field; Enter the DynDNS.org domain name you set up with DynDNS.org in the “Domain Name” field
[00:53] <lcb> TheBuntu: Firewall > DDNS Service; Enter your DynDNS.org user name in the “User Name” field  ; Enter your DynDNS.org password in the “Password” field ; Enter the DynDNS.org domain name you set up with DynDNS.org; in the “Domain Name” field; Enter the DynDNS.org domain name you set up with DynDNS.org in the “Domain Name” field. Whenever your IP address assigned by your ISP changes, the Router will
[00:53] <lcb> automatically update DynDNS.org’s servers with your new IP address.
[00:53] <KimLaroux> Man... desktop activities are a pain, KDE creates tons of them for no reasons
[00:54] <TheBuntu> lcb: something going wrong on that...keeps saying login faild
[00:55] <TheBuntu> lcb: 	Registration Failed
[00:55] <lcb> TheBuntu: now while configuring your router dyndns?
[00:57] <lcb> KimLaroux: i used once last week and i decided to take a better look at it because it messed a bit my desk. virtual environment
[00:57] <TheBuntu> lcb: yes..... but where is says domainname.... theres 3 boxs.... do i put domainname in 1... then dyndns in the 2nd and org in the 3rd
[00:58] <TheBuntu> lcb:  ir box . box . box
[00:58] <lcb> TheBuntu: it might be correct that way. however i don't understand why they have 3 fields and not 2
[00:59] <lcb> TheBuntu: probably they have several domains and sub-domains, not only dyndns.org
[00:59] <lcb> probably because*
[01:00] <lcb> TheBuntu: your host on the 1st one; and then try dyndns.org on the 2nd, leaving 3rd empty
[01:02] <lcb> TheBuntu: *enagome* on the first one, by itself
[01:05] <lcb> TheBuntu:  you could try leaving those "domain Name" fields empty. Usually the login and password it's enough
[01:10] <lcb> TheBuntu: why are you disconnecting so often? you don't need to reboot the router for those changes.
[01:11] <TheBuntu> every time i try to apply changes on the router
[01:12] <lcb> hmmm, those don't need to reboot. maybe it does for every change. by the way, your page is not opening again - you did something ...
[01:15] <TheBuntu> lcb: there is 1 wired computer on this router and 2 wireless laptop.... so gota figure out what private ip is the wired computer.... the router ends in 1.....
[01:15] <lcb> TheBuntu: well, i need to go. i don't know if you saw my last message: "you could try leaving those "domain Name" fields empty. Usually the login and password it's enough". After the router matter done, install KompoZer. Open /var/www/index.html and play with it. every change you do on that page will be available trough the browser when saved. so you get the idea. more complex web pages and structures could be done after you understand those basic steps.
[01:16] <TheBuntu> ok
[01:16] <lcb> TheBuntu: wired pc.. win or linux?
[01:18] <lcb> TheBuntu:  to see the ips: on win, Start Menu | Run | cmd | ipconfig ; on linux, in terminal type ifconfig.
[01:22] <lcb> TheBuntu:  you could check that in the router: LAN > "DHCP Client list"
[01:23] <lcb> geez, yoyo
[01:24] <lcb> TheBuntu:  you could check that in the router: LAN > "DHCP Client list" too. and now.. time to sleep
[01:24] <lcb> bye
[02:04] <zMainframe> updating to kubuntu kde 4.6  I'll see if that works bettter.
[02:07] <KimLaroux> zMainframe, better than...?
[02:15] <zMainframe> OK, good news.
[02:15] <zMainframe> samba sharing via dollphin works in KDE 4.6.4
[02:15] <zMainframe> must be a bug in the kubuntu 11.04 release.
[02:16] <zMainframe> I updated from the kubuntu ppa and now all is well
[04:22] <sam_> anyone know why i wouldnt be able to delete a file in a shared folder?
[04:23] <sam_> i keep getting the message "access denied to trash"
[04:28] <frogonwheels> try deleting it rather than moving to trash?
[04:28] <sam_> i right click and the drop down gives me the option to delete, i select delete
[04:29] <frogonwheels> sam_: and presumably that's when you get the error?
[04:29] <sam_> before it was giving me an the error of "creating files is not supported by trash protocal"
[04:30] <sam_> but i worked in samba and now it just gives me this error
[04:30] <sam_> and yes it gives me that error when i right click and tell it to delete
[04:31] <frogonwheels> that's weird
[04:31] <sam_> very
[04:32] <sam_> i set up a headless server with kubuntu, so I'm doing everything over ssh
[04:43] <sam_> guess no one knows anything about it
[05:24] <Linkmaster> My netbook consistantly turns off the wireless every time I close my netbook lid. This is surprising to me, for once since the netbook isn't connected to either of the housing frames so I didn't even know it could, but I also disabled all power managment, so if I leave the lid up, it'll run until it dies. the moment I remove the support for it and allow it to drop however, it immediately kills wireless. any ideas?
[05:24] <ballo> hello. Has anyone here paired a bluetooth phone?
[05:25] <ballo> Tearing my hair out. hcitool cc never worked, hidd --connect worked ONCE then the phone asked for a passphrase which I never figued out, but now I don't even get that far
[05:25] <Linkmaster> ballo: pairing isn't that difficult, what system/KDE are you using?
[05:26] <ballo> well I have various VMs...right now I'm using bt5 which is kinda like kubuntu and I installed bluez-compat
[05:26] <ballo> hdiconfig shows the device and I can scan using hditool
[05:27] <Linkmaster> Hmm..turn both the machine and the phone to 'discovery mode= ON' that way they can find each other
[05:27] <ballo> hidd doesn't scan, however
[05:27] <ballo> but did attempt a connect ONCE (and never again)
[05:27] <ballo> yea, I know that whole process. I can pair with my mac just fine
[05:27] <ballo> and the windows7 VM
[05:28] <ballo> hditool scan shows the device when the discovery mode is on
[05:28] <ballo> sorry, hcitool
[05:28] <ballo> hcitool cc always gave an error and never worked.
[05:29] <ballo> Something got set and I can't un-set it or else I'm convinced hidd would work again... I tried deleting everything in /var/lib/bluetooth
[05:30] <ballo> yea, hidd --search never worked, either
[05:31] <ballo> What's really weird is it will give the error         No devices in range or visible if discovery is off, but if discovery is on it will exit with no error
[05:31] <ballo> So frustrating :)
[05:37] <S4L> so, if my cat jumping on my printer, which is sitting on top of my tower, manages to freeze up my box and cause it to not want to boot again (which has been a recurring problem)...... what should I check for?
[05:49] <Guest8262> Hello
[05:55] <dank> hello
[05:57] <dank> Hi I need help with kamoso instalation... thank
[05:59] <KevinJones> Don't think I can help much. what is the prob
[06:01] <dank> Hi KevinJones,  I install kamoso and do not see me...
[06:02] <dank> dont take picture
[06:02] <dank> Is all in black
[06:02] <KevinJones> does the cam work with other programs?
[06:02] <dank> yes
[06:02] <dank> with kopete
[06:03] <dank> and other chat programs
[06:03] <dank> is only kamoso
[06:03] <KevinJones> hmmm...
[06:03] <KevinJones> re-install the program?
[06:04] <dank> is ok
[06:04] <KevinJones> try sudo apt-get remove kamoso.....then re-install
[06:05] <dank> Itried and nothing
[06:05] <dank> the same
[06:06] <dank> I read on google and saw the dependence that kamoso use and are all ok on my OS
[06:28] <angrodnenharma> hey need some help realtek RTL8111/8169B pci express wireless card is picking up the wireless signals but every time i put in the password it doesnt connect, just asks me for the pass again
[09:44] <swatty> join #kubuntu-dev
[11:53] <excognac> KDE is lovely
[11:54] <Peace-> excognac: xD
[13:24] <RedDemon1970> hello
[13:52] <RedDemon1970> can somebody please help me with connecting windows 7 and ubuntu true a network for sharing files over a network without any stuff like that i have to go to a crouded ubuntu irc where nobody can help me
[13:59] <Peace-> RedDemon1970: wtf samba
[13:59] <Peace-> RedDemon1970: right click on a folder share with samba
[13:59] <Peace-> !samba
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:27] <mfraz74> hi BluesKaj
[14:28] <BluesKaj> hi mfraz74
[14:29] <mfraz74> What is the proper way of upgrading to the latest version of Java?
[14:32] <rami> Hi
[14:32] <BluesKaj> do you wnat to use java dor developing or do you just need it for browsing , because java is already included in kubuntu-restricted-extras by default in
[14:33] <BluesKaj> mfraz74, ^
[14:34] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: I want it for browsing, but https://www.mozilla.com/en-GB/plugincheck/ tells me that the installed version is old. I am using the latest in the repos.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> mfraz74, what's wrong with the older version?
[14:35] <mfraz74> BluesKaj: Nothing, but if there are security problems with it, I'd like a newer version
[14:35] <hedbruno> bom dia
[14:36] <BluesKaj> well, is the newer version ore secure, mfraz74?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> more
[14:36] <mfraz74> well the security problems in the newer one haven't been found yet!
[14:39] <BluesKaj> I'm sure you can install the newer version from the java site...I think there's a java chat , maybe they can tell you what you need to know
[14:59] <hedbruno> bom dia, alguém sabe como integrar o dropbox com o dolphin ?
[15:05] <Peace-> !spanish | headnetq
[15:06] <Peace-> headnetq: anyway yes thre is service menu for dolphin
[15:06] <Peace-> headnetq: and kfiledrop ==>search google
[15:32] <fayaz> trying to configure jovie here...
[15:33] <fayaz> i'm unable to add talkers...
[15:34] <fayaz> the "OK" button of the Add Talker dialog appears to be disabled...
[16:08] <tobago> welche wlan karte ist für das aktuelle natty narwhal cool?
[16:09] <Linkmaster> !de
[16:09] <Linkmaster> tobago: ^
[16:10] <tobago> which pci wlan card is cool for current natty narwhal?
[16:12] <Linkmaster> tobago: most of them work just fine, I haven't noticed any major issues as of late; though I'm not positive
[16:35] <NiGhT_rIdEr> hii
[16:36] <NiGhT_rIdEr> hello  any one ??
[17:31] <alex_portugal> I need some information....
[17:31] <alex_portugal> I have kmail configured with kubuntu 32 bits and everything is ok when i trie to upload
[17:31] <alex_portugal> And i have kmail configured with kubuntu 64 bits and a cant upload files...??
[17:31] <alex_portugal> What can i do ?
[17:36] <foormea> hi
[17:36] <foormea> is ssh-agent supposed to be running by default with kde?
[17:37] <foormea> i have a laptop with 10.04 kubuntu, ssh-agent is running; a laptop with 11.04 with kubuntu, ssh-agent not running
[17:37] <foormea> i'm not sure what the proper way is to have ssh-agent running
[17:37] <foormea> and i find it pretty weird that it's not running on one of the two laptops
[17:43] <alex_portugal> Kubuntu IRC??
[17:43] <foormea> ?
[19:18] <Kasike> hi
[19:23] <S74rk7> Hey everyone!
[19:23] <SIR_Taco> hi S74rk7
[19:23] <Peace-> S74rk7: hi
[19:23] <S74rk7> Hows things? :)
[19:24] <SIR_Taco> excellent, you?
[19:24] <S74rk7> yeah good thanks... little question I'd like to ask all your guru's on here :)
[19:24] <S74rk7> Anyone know an alternative I could use to control volume other than KMix...
[19:25] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: out of curiousity... what's your issue with kmix?
[19:25] <S74rk7> Why I ask... I would like to be able to control and mute specific applications open from the like browsers etc
[19:26] <S74rk7> At the minute I cant seem to find it...but I'm not quite sure all the options are there...
[19:26] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: control each applications volume without opening Kmix you mean?
[19:27] <S74rk7> In ubuntu/gnome... I could see what applications were using the sound card and control the volume for each specific application... same as in Windows7...by going into the mixer...
[19:28] <S74rk7> I reckon I have an issue of some sort with KMix or I'm not getting it... I cant seem to see where I can change the audio output either... you know from Analogue-speakers and my HDMI port...
[19:29] <S74rk7> Is there some kind of reconfiguration I could make it run...
[19:30] <S74rk7> I know the system see my HDMI ports etc... when I'm using gnome/ubuntu desktop enviroment... I can change my output no problem...and lshw in konsole shows hdmi ports etc...
[19:30] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: if you open the Kmix "mixer" (left click on the volume icon in the bottom right) and click the "Playback Streams" tab, it should show each individual applications audio volumes
[19:32] <S74rk7> Yeah I have been in looking around all the settings and tabs in there...it only shows Internal Audio Anologue Stereo ...
[19:32] <S74rk7> :/
[19:32] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: Your HDMI doesn't show up under "Playback Devices"
[19:32] <S74rk7> no..  :(
[19:32] <S74rk7> does no problem when I just log off from KDE desktop enviroment and log into gnome...
[19:33] <SIR_Taco> if you click Settings from the menu bar, then "audio settings" does it show up in the "Audio output" devices?
[19:34] <S74rk7> the base install /  the system was initially Ubuntu 11.04 64bit install... then I install KDE + XFCE... but I remember I had this same issue when I install a fresh version of Kubuntu before also...thats actually why I install ubuntu as the base install...
[19:35] <S74rk7> nope checked in there too
[19:35] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: odd... what sound card do you have?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> S74rk7, system settimgs>multimedia>phonon
[19:36] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: that's where the "audio settings" menu takes you to
[19:37] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco, I don't have any "audio settings"
[19:38] <SIR_Taco> err... "Audio Setup" I meant... do you have that?
[19:38] <KeyboardCat> hi everyone :D
[19:38] <S74rk7> HDA Intel STAC92xx  -   sound about right... will I just run lshw in konsole see if I can b more procise?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco, not in the kmenu
[19:39] <SIR_Taco> BluesKaj: no... in Kmix, under settings
[19:39] <BluesKaj> I don't use kmix
[19:40] <BluesKaj> alsamixer in the terminal
[19:41] <SIR_Taco> S74rk7: have you tried seeing if your HDMI shows up in "System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon"? incase it was confusing before
[19:41] <SIR_Taco> thanks, BluesKaj :)
[19:41] <BluesKaj> but the phon listing should show his hdmi setup if it'smbeing recognized in the HW
[19:41] <SIR_Taco> and hi KeyboardCat
[19:41] <BluesKaj> phonon
[19:42] <S74rk7> SIR_Taco: it looks like the same settings... if I go to KMix and click settings and 'audio setup' ... its the same settings and going through...System settings --> Multimedia -->Phonon
[19:42] <BluesKaj> S74rk7, do you have pulseaudio installed?
[19:43] <SIR_Taco> ok, and there is no HDMI listed under Audio Output?
[19:44] <S74rk7> no... just "internal audio anologue stereo"
[19:44] <S74rk7> Pulse...thats whats used when I log into gnome??
[19:44] <S74rk7> it seems to work fine...
[19:44] <S74rk7> I can change the output device no problem in there...
[19:45] <BluesKaj> S74rk7, ok , you try installing pavucontrol
[19:45] <S74rk7> this problem only exsists in KDE... its like KMix never liked my sound card :(
[19:45] <S74rk7> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> !pavucontrol
[19:45] <BluesKaj> !info pavucontrol
[19:47] <BluesKaj> S74rk7, I'm not a pulseaudio fan , but sometimes installing the vol ctrl for it helps get it setup properly
[19:47] <S74rk7> thanks guys.... brb for a few mins though... phone call - sorry!
[19:48] <S74rk7> I like the look of the alsamixer in konsole... gonna have a play in there?
[19:48] <S74rk7> brb
[19:48] <BluesKaj> S74rk7, yes apt-get will install pavucontrol
[19:50] <KeyboardCat> BTW does someone have time to with my problem ;D
[19:51] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: maybe.... haha what's the problem?
[19:52] <KeyboardCat> some themes causes lag but Oxygen doesnt and the other default themes makes effects to lag but Oxygen is the only one which works without lag
[19:53] <KeyboardCat> is this normal or is it just my crappy graphics card HD 4250?
[19:54] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: that card should be plenty to deal with any effect or theme... my laptop has a 3200 in it and eveyrthing's fine. Do you know if you have the drivers from ATI installed?
[19:55] <KeyboardCat> I have installed drivers from Additional Drivers program
[19:55] <KeyboardCat> can that help if i remove them and download drivers from ATI site and install them?
[19:56] <SIR_Taco> no, if you select the "ATI/AMD proprietary drivers" in Jockey (the Aditional Drivers program), then you should have the currently supported ones
[19:57] <KeyboardCat> well they are installed so the drivers doesnt maybe are the problem?
[19:57] <KeyboardCat> and it isnt my video file as wallpaper because the problem comes with that disabled too
[19:58] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: is xorg-driver-fglrx installed? (sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx)
[19:59] <KeyboardCat> no should i install it now in Konsole?
[19:59] <SIR_Taco> yes, that would be good
[19:59] <KeyboardCat> okey i install it
[20:00] <KeyboardCat> E: Pakettia xorg-driver-fglx ei löydy
[20:00] <KeyboardCat> that what it says and that means it doesnt find that package
[20:00] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: do you have more than one option in "additional drivers"
[20:00] <KeyboardCat> no there is only my Broadcom and ATI
[20:00] <KeyboardCat> and both are installed
[20:00] <SIR_Taco> what does it say for the ATI?
[20:00] <KeyboardCat> it is activated and in useE: Pakettia xorg-driver-fglx ei löydy
[20:00] <KeyboardCat> oops
[20:00] <KeyboardCat> sorry because im hitting my laptop own mouse this sometimes pastes accidently text :S
[20:01] <SIR_Taco> no problem
[20:01] <SIR_Taco> what about the fglrx package? (sudo apt-get install fglrx)
[20:01] <BluesKaj> SIR_Taco, KeyboardCat.that shouled be done wth kdm service stopped. Installing in the tty is best with video drivers
[20:01] <KeyboardCat> fglrx is already the new version
[20:02] <KeyboardCat> fglrx on jo uusin versio. <-- and that means it is the newest version available
[20:02] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: ok, what do you get from the output of "lsmod | grep fglrx" in the terminal
[20:03] <KeyboardCat> fglrx                2739144  70
[20:03] <KeyboardCat> thats output of that command
[20:03] <Goliath> why cant i find enlightenment de in ubuntu?
[20:03] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: ok, so the driver is active and being used
[20:03] <BluesKaj> does ati still use the catalyst gui ?
[20:03] <KeyboardCat> BluesKaj yes because i have catalyst in menu
[20:04] <BluesKaj> Goliath, ask in #ubuntu
[20:04] <BluesKaj> then the catalyst should the driver configuration and version
[20:05] <BluesKaj> show
[20:05] <KeyboardCat> eh do you mean u want see my version or what
[20:06] <KeyboardCat> catalyst says driver version is 8.84.6
[20:06] <BluesKaj> KeyboardCat, not me , but what's the ati card ?
[20:07] <SIR_Taco> two things I can think of off the top of my head: 1) Under System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> Advanced, the Compositing type isn't set to OpenGL. 2)In your Catalyst settings, it's throttling the cards speed.
[20:07] <KeyboardCat> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series but my computer box says my graphics card is HD 4250
[20:07] <KeyboardCat> SIR_Taco the compositing type is OpenGL
[20:07] <BluesKaj> 4250 is part of the 4200 series
[20:08] <KeyboardCat> yea
[20:09] <KeyboardCat> but if i use Oxygen all works good so thats the weird thing
[20:10] <KeyboardCat> hey what the... i tested custom theme again and no lag
[20:10] <KeyboardCat> the problem disappeared
[20:10] <KeyboardCat> o_o
[20:11] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: very odd haha
[20:11] <KeyboardCat> effects doesnt lag now with downloaded themes
[20:11] <KeyboardCat> haha it just started to work
[20:11] <SIR_Taco> If it works, it works
[20:11] <KeyboardCat> :)
[20:12] <KeyboardCat> in day i had this problem but now i tested again and no lag
[20:12] <KeyboardCat> maybe the updates which i installed maybe 1 hour ago fixed it?
[20:12] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: you might see it lag a bit when using the laptop on battery power... if the battery starts getting low it will slow the CPU and video card down to try to conserve power
[20:12] <SIR_Taco> that's quite possible
[20:12] <BluesKaj> KeyboardCat, glxinfo | grep rendering
[20:13] <KeyboardCat> BluesKaj it says it is not installed and i can install it by making sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[20:13] <KeyboardCat> so i install it
[20:14] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:14] <KeyboardCat> glxinfo | grep rendering
[20:14] <KeyboardCat> oops
[20:14] <KeyboardCat> wrong text :d
[20:14] <KeyboardCat> direct rendering: Yes <-- thats what it said
[20:14] <KeyboardCat> so everything should be fine now because the lag problem doesnt appear for me anymore?
[20:14] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: you should be good to go
[20:15] <KeyboardCat> yea thats just funny because now it works good but before this it worked bad
[20:15] <BluesKaj> glxinfo | grep 3D
[20:15] <KeyboardCat> just wondering what caused it but anyway it is working
[20:16] <KeyboardCat> GL_EXT_subtexture, GL_EXT_texgen_reflection, GL_EXT_texture3D,  <-- thats output of that command so here u go BluesKaj
[20:16] <SIR_Taco> KeyboardCat: your system could have been under load... with mobile graphics cards, they share memory with your system, so if you
[20:16] <SIR_Taco> 're RAM starts filling up, you can get some latency
[20:17] <BluesKaj> KeyboardCat, ok you're good togo, just make sure you don't use those graphics effects too much with just the battery power ...it'll be drained in no time
[20:18] <SIR_Taco> You can always turn off the effects in your Power options, for powersave
[20:59] <linux-beginner-h> is there a kmail2 ppa package for kubuntu?
[21:03] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=202&t=91964
[21:04] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: THX
[21:04] <SIR_Taco> no problem
[21:05] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: ok... it's called experimental... :-)
[21:06] <SIR_Taco> ok, good to know
[21:07] <SIR_Taco> there'll be some rough edges... but it supposedly works. It's still fairly unstable, because of the work with in and the PIM
[21:08] <SIR_Taco> I shouldn't say it's unstable... but it's considered unstable
[21:09] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: my mails will be untouched so that I can downgrade (worst case)?
[21:10] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: do you use POP3 or IMAP?
[21:10] <linux-beginner-h> DIMAP
[21:11] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: then I don't think anyone could 100% say, at this point, than you wouldn't lose some/all/any
[21:12] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: ok thanks
[21:12] <SIR_Taco> linux-beginner-h: I'd be inclined to set it to POP3 if possible while testing...
[21:12] <linux-beginner-h> SIR_Taco: ok
[21:13] <SIR_Taco> at least that way, if some mail was deleted, it wouldn't be removed from the server
[21:44] <hurrdurrdsg> :(((
[21:45] <SIR_Taco> hurrdurrdsg: ? is that super sad... or have you had 2 extra lips installed?
[21:48] <hurrdurrdsg> SIR_Taco: It's super sad!
[21:53] <SIR_Taco> hurrdurrdsg: so.... babies are being beaten with cute puppies then?
[22:45] <Goliath> how do make kde panel transparent?
[22:47] <iconmefisto> network manager is giving me a new ip address. can I set up a static ip and still use network manager?
[22:48] <Scunizi> iconmefisto, you can set a static IP through network manager.. it might actually work now.. otherwise if you do it manually you'll get frustrated until you uninstall NM
[22:49] <iconmefisto> Scunizi: how do you set a static ip?
[22:50] <Goliath> how can i enable compositing?
[22:53] <Scunizi> iconmefisto, with network manager?
[22:53] <iconmefisto> Scunizi: yes
[22:55] <Scunizi> iconmefisto, there should be a network icon up by the clock.. left click it an "Edit Connections" option.. poke around there. you should be able to create a new connection that is static.
[22:55] <Scunizi> gotta run.  good luck.
[22:57] <Goliath> HOW TO ENABLE COMPOSITING?
[22:57] <Goliath> HOW TO ENABLE COMPOSITING?
[22:57] <FloodBotK2> Goliath: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:40] <GWild> 10.04 LTS - I just rebooted and my resolution is stuck at 640x480
[23:40] <GWild> higher resolutions are not options in the resolution dropdown
[23:40] <GWild> nvidia
[23:40] <GWild> any ideas as to how to fix this?
[23:59] <u19809> HI all I am unable to mount usbfs in natty ... it says it does not know the filesystemtype ... ????


[07:13] <alo21> hi
[07:14] <alo21> mvo: hi... can I ask you something else about Ubuntu Software Center?
[07:14] <mvo> alo21: sure
[07:14] <mvo> alo21: good morning
[07:16] <alo21> mvo: I found the describprion (called 'text'), but it is a string... I am looking for a widget such as Gtk.Label or something similat. Thanks
[07:16] <alo21> similar*
[07:18] <mvo> alo21: right, check the PangoLayout subclass there
[07:45] <alo21> mvo: I found just string type. I noticed that you used Pango to set text. I supposed this text is in widget; in which widget is it?
[07:45] <alo21> drawarea? label?
[10:35] <alo21> hi
[13:40] <brendand> as of today when i try to install a quantal server image, network autoconfiguration fails
[13:40] <brendand> tried with yesterdays image and it doesn't happen
[16:37] <intgr> Hey, there's a bug edit war going on at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1039998 ... bots?
[16:37] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1039998 in linux "perf top (linux-tools) cannot find debug info for some gstreamer plugins" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:38] <intgr> Brad Figg (brad-figg) ... affects: affects: linux-meta (Ubuntu) → linux (Ubuntu)
[16:38] <intgr> Joseph Salisbury (jsalisbury) ... affects: linux (Ubuntu) → linux-meta (Ubuntu)
[16:38] <intgr> Repeated a few times
[16:44] <jsalisbury> intgr, yeah.  I'm going to look into it.
[16:50] <ambidextrvs> Hi, how can I log the output of the boot process in order to debug a kernel panic?
[16:51] <intgr> ambidextrvs: netconsole is one way... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole  http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt
[16:54] <ambidextrvs> intgr: thanks, I'll look into it.
[18:02] <tvizzle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1039979 I think this goes to Wishlist
[18:02] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1039979 in update-manager "Avoid automatic apt-get update on mobile broadland" [Undecided,New]
[18:03] <penguin42> yeh
[18:05]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[18:06] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not certain that can be implemented
[18:06] <TheLordOfTime> here's my reasoning:
[18:06] <TheLordOfTime> How would the system interpret it to be mobile broadband?
[18:06] <TheLordOfTime> s/it/a network interface/
[18:06] <TheLordOfTime> for all intents and purposes, network traffic looks the same regardless of ethernet, wifi, or mobile broadband.
[18:06] <TheLordOfTime> tvizzle:  penguin42:  ^
[18:07] <TheLordOfTime> yes, it would be a wishlist, but i'm not certain that's even a valid "wishlist" item.
[18:08] <tvizzle> ya, i agree that the system wouldn't be able to interpret
[18:09] <TheLordOfTime> while I will set this as Wishlist and Triaged, I will add my comments accordingly.
[18:10] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: Network manager knows what it's connected to and the other apps can probably ask it
[18:11] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42:  see my additional comments on the bug
[18:11] <TheLordOfTime> i added that i'm not certain you can find out, unless networkmanager or wicd or others have system/api calls for that
[18:11] <penguin42> nod
[18:12] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not a network-manager or wicd or $given_network_management_software expert, but i do know that if such calls do not exist, then the system can't really interpret what is/isnt mobile broadband, wifi, ethernet, etc.
[18:13] <TheLordOfTime> i've marked it as wishlist/triaged.  i should *probably* see if there's an upstream project...
[18:13] <TheLordOfTime> update-manager... is that a GNOME upstream project...?
[18:13] <penguin42> TheLordOfTime: Even if there isn't already an API on network-manager for it, it doesn't seem an unreasonable thing to add
[18:14] <TheLordOfTime> indeed.
[18:14] <TheLordOfTime> that's why i didnt include the last line i had :P
[18:14] <TheLordOfTime> about it not being a valid item :P
[18:15]  * penguin42 was about to look in update-manager, but it's segging on my kubuntu install....


[04:35] <mel_> hey
[04:35] <mel_> i want to know few things..
[04:37] <mel_> anyone there???
[04:50] <alkisg> !ask
[04:50] <alkisg> mel_: ^
[11:04] <oli_57> hello guys
[15:30] <Jack_Sparrow__> !abd
[16:28] <vlt> Hello. How can I lock the screen when MATE (Ubuntu 16.04) is running inside a vnc session initiated by xrdp's session manager?
[16:37] <Akuli> try mate-screensaver-command --lock
[16:37] <Akuli> on a terminal
[16:37] <Akuli> or alt+f2 box
[16:44] <mcnealfam> qodhyuxizsq
[16:45] <Akuli> hi mcnealfam :)
[16:50] <alkisg> And qodhyuxizsq to you too
[16:56] <vlt> Akuli: Thank you, I’ll try that.
[16:59] <vlt> Akuli: The first time I run the command I get a black screen (as expected) but as soon as I move the mouse the desktop is visible again (w/o password prompt).
[16:59] <vlt> Akuli: The second time I run the command I get "** Message: Screensaver is not running!" on the command line.
[17:01] <Akuli> weird 0_o check your screensaver settings
[17:01] <Akuli> somewhere in the menu
[17:05] <alkisg> Maybe mate-screensaver crashed and you need to manually start it from the command line to see where it segfaults
[17:06] <alkisg> Possibly xrdp+vnc doesn't setup the session properly
[17:10] <vlt> alkisg: termbin.com/vhex
[17:11] <vlt> This happens when I run the --lock command in another shell.
[17:11] <vlt> The screensaver is set to blank screen.
[17:13] <alkisg> Right, so that's the error you want to report
[17:15] <Akuli> vlt, run LANG=C mate-screensaver-command --lock to get the message in english
[17:15] <Akuli> more people will understand it if you report it somewhere
[17:17] <alkisg> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en mate-screensaver on one window, and the lock command on the other window
[17:18] <Akuli> oh the message isn't from the lock command ok
[17:20] <alkisg> Also LANG=C sometimes causes non-ascii errors, C.UTF-8 is better, or en_US.UTF-8...
[17:21] <Akuli> yeah usually i'm lazy and i just use C
[18:17] <mate|86950> installed mate
[18:20] <vlt> alkisg, Akuli: http://termbin.com/oi30
[18:27] <dialed> hello
[18:29] <dialed> noob question: How long should I wait for reboot after pulling install media during installation? As I press "enter" the cursor registers by going to the next line over the mate logo screen and the 5 dots continue to loop but nothing seems to happen
[18:53] <dialed> apparently a very long time.... Awesome, it just rebooted!!!
[18:57] <Akuli> usually i just hold down the power button if something gets stuck at that point
[19:11] <Jack_Sparrow__> !patience
[20:47] <Kenzo> hello room
[20:50] <Kenzo> i'm looking to do a full install of ubuntu-mate to replace windows. i formatted my disk to have / as primary, /home as primary and then a logical partition as swap area. i got an error about needing a partition for bootloader code??? 'efi boot partition' can this be a logical partition?
[20:53] <Kenzo> i have trawled forums. i'm resigning to just make all my partitions logical, i've read so much on it i don't even know why primary options exist
[20:56] <KTrad> logical partitions are what you put inside an extended partition. It allows for more than 4 partitions on a disk
[20:57] <KTrad> As you are limited to 4 primary partitions per disk
[20:59] <Kenzo> oh hey. i knew i couldn't have more than four. i've not created an extended partition. not sure i'd know how to. i simply wanted my /home on a separate partition then it got all complicated.
[20:59] <KTrad> How many partitions? Just swap, root, and home?
[21:01] <Kenzo> yes that's what i intended but when i tried to install it said i needed an EFI system partition
[21:02] <KTrad> sorry about that idk if you responded
[21:02] <KTrad> old computer acting up
[21:02] <Kenzo> no worries. yeah i wanted 3 partitions
[21:03] <Kenzo> but when i tried to install it said i needed efi system partition?
[21:03] <KTrad> oh so your computer uses UEFI then?
[21:04] <KTrad> You have 2 options there really
[21:04] <Kenzo> yeah
[21:04] <Kenzo> oh i have options?
[21:04] <KTrad> enable legacy booting in BIOS/UEFI and boot the install media in MBR/Legacy mode
[21:05] <Kenzo> i've enabled legacy mode though i'm unsure how to boot into it to install the media.
[21:06] <KTrad> or keep EFI booting as default and create an EFI partition. Should be an option in the drop down for formatting
[21:06] <KTrad> between 100-200mb should be plenty in my experience
[21:07] <Kenzo> yes i noticed that option. i've heard anywhere up to 1gb. i have a 1tb hdd so happy to choose top bracket. does need to be a primary partition?
[21:09] <KTrad> well it doesn't need to be but what I would do is put in the case of your hdd, 500mb EFI primary, 4 - 8GB swap as primary, then extended for the rest and fill that with 100gb for / and the rest for /home
[21:09] <KTrad> 100gb is overkill for / but can't hurt to have the space
[21:10] <KTrad> the / and /home being logical
[21:11] <Kenzo> i think i may make EFI primary and the rest logical. but i might not need to do that if i've enabled legacy by the sounds of it?
[21:11] <Kenzo> thanks, you're way more helpful than the forums i've been trawling!!
[21:12] <KTrad> oh
[21:12] <KTrad> well
[21:12] <KTrad> if you want to boot legacy then no need for EFI partition just make sure you boot the install media in legacy mode
[21:12] <KTrad> should be an option before boot to press F12 or Del (something like that) for boot menu
[21:12] <KTrad> select USB/CD legacy instead of UEFI/EFI
[21:13] <KTrad> though make sure you repartition the disk in MBR not GPT
[21:13] <KTrad> and a /boot partition of about 500mb - 1024mb
[21:14] <Kenzo> wahh. i think i'll just boot with uefi and make the efi partition the rest sounds way complicated!
[21:14] <KTrad> lol
[21:15] <KTrad> it can be a bit much that's for sure
[21:15] <KTrad> especially if you are unfamiliar with it
[21:16] <Kenzo> yeah i am quite, i've only dual booted so far. i think i'll take the plunge. thanks for your help!
[21:17] <KTrad> anytime
[22:06] <Jack_Sparrow__> !virtualbox
[22:07] <KTrad> thank god I have a thinkpad. set the bag on the ground forgot about it and stepped on it. Computer is unharmed :D
[22:24] <nadrimajstor> `sudo apt install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04` will offer to REMOVE ubuntu-mate-core and ubuntu-mate-desktop packages. Looking from the user's perspective it doesn't seem right. :?
[23:08] <mate|34013> installed mate on a dual core 2.6ghz pentium d all good
[23:08] <mate|34013> tirol austria
[23:12] <dialed> shortcut key to hide app in mate?
[23:12] <dialed> sorry noob...


[10:35] <marcoceppi> hey guys
[10:35] <marcoceppi> quickstart, no --upload-tools flag?
[10:45] <frankban> marcoceppi: no, we don't have that option
[10:45] <marcoceppi> frankban: could you add it?
[10:46] <marcoceppi> frankban: quickstart doesn't work on maas because maas needs --upload-tools
[10:46] <frankban> marcoceppi: you can just run "juju bootstrap --upload-tools" and then quickstart will reuse the environment already bootstrapped.
[10:46] <marcoceppi> frankban: well, we were doing quickstart -i :)
[10:46] <marcoceppi> which is so sexy
[10:47] <frankban> marcoceppi: FWIW quickstart -i can be used to run an existing environment. anyway, is this a maas bug?
[10:47] <marcoceppi> frankban: it's a juju-core/streams bug
[10:48] <marcoceppi> frankban: well, we run juju init, then quickstart -i to edit the default maas stuff
[10:48] <marcoceppi> makes the demo more impressive
[10:48] <frankban> marcoceppi: understood, could you please file a bug on quickstart, describing this use case?
[10:55] <marcoceppi> frankban: will do
[10:55] <frankban> marcoceppi: thanks
[11:49] <frankban> hazmat: morning, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/juju-deployer/improve-guiserver-feedback/+merge/203915 ?
[12:37] <BradCrittenden> morning frankban.  i landed my quickstart branch yesterday even though i was getting intermittent errors on charm deploy like https://pastebin.canonical.com/103823/ even with juju 1.17.1.  the admin-secret was correctly being used to authenticate so i assumed it was unrelated to my branch.  just a heads up in case i assumed wrong.
[12:43] <ahasenack> hi guys, is the juju-gui charm branch really this big?
[12:43] <ahasenack> 135336kB   221kB/s - Fetching revisions:Inserting stream:Estimate 3772/3247
[12:43] <ahasenack> bzr branch is still going
[12:44] <ahasenack> it finally finished, short of 152Mb
[12:45] <bac> ahasenack: development on juju-gui is now happening on github at https://github.com/juju/juju-gui
[12:46] <bac> ahasenack: the Launchpad page for the project needs to be updated to reflect that.
[12:46] <ahasenack> bac: what does that mean? lp:charms/precise/juju-gui is invalid?
[12:46] <bac> ahasenack: my apologies.  no the *charm* is still on launchpad.  the code for the app is on github.
[12:47] <bac> so lp:charms/precise/juju-gui is still correct
[12:47] <ahasenack> and huge
[12:47] <ahasenack> if I do juju deploy juju-gui it will fetch 150Mb?
[12:48] <ahasenack> that's the amount "bzr branch lp:charms/precise/juju-gui" said it downloaded
[12:48] <bac> ahasenack: the charm is big due to bundled dependencies but i'm surprised it is that big.
[12:48] <ahasenack> bac: can you try, on a fresh directory outside any bzr local repo?
[12:49] <bac> ahasenack: if you use juju-quickstart to deploy the charm will not be downloaded to your local machine before deploying (unless you're using a local environment).
[12:49] <ahasenack> I'm not using juju quickstart
[12:49] <ahasenack> after branch,
[12:49] <ahasenack> $ du -hs juju-gui/
[12:49] <ahasenack> 78M	juju-gui/
[12:50] <frankban> ahasenack: that's the size of the branch, not the size of the single checkout. I believe most of space is for /bzr
[12:50] <bac> juju downloads the charm before pushing it to your provider.  if you were to use juju-quickstart the charm is deployed directy to your provider.
[12:50] <frankban> .bzr even
[12:50] <bac> s/directy/directly/
[12:50] <ahasenack> frankban: the du size is about half of what bzr said it downloaded, fwiw
[12:51] <ahasenack> if you use juju-deployer, it will branch the charm branch first, and then deploy locally. I don't know if there is a "light" branch that can be used
[12:52] <frankban> ahasenack: the charm includes the current juju-gui release, it is now ~4.6MB but used to be ~40MB. That's why over time the branch size increased a lot
[12:52] <rick_h_> ahasenack: because we package up releases of the gui into the charm along with deps so that it's offline installable it gets big
[12:52] <ahasenack> it got big because of the revisions
[12:52] <rick_h_> ahasenack: rgr
[12:52] <ahasenack> if you once had a 100Mb tarball in it, then remove it and add a 5Mb instead, the branch will still at least be 100Mb big
[12:52] <rick_h_> ahasenack: a shallow checkout shouldn't be that big
[12:52] <bac> juju-gui: juju-deployer should be doing a lightweight checkout not a branch
[12:53] <rick_h_> exactly
[12:53] <rick_h_> it's what we do with the gui itself when you specify a branch to use as the gui source. No need for revision history to deploy
[12:54] <ahasenack> bzr co --lightweight lp:charms/precise/juju-gui <-- this downloaded roughly 5Mb
[12:54] <rick_h_> ahasenack: that's the plan
[12:54] <ahasenack> maybe it should use bzr export
[12:54] <bac> bac@trusty64:/tmp$ bzr checkout --lightweight lp:charms/precise/juju-gui
[12:54] <bac> bac@trusty64:/tmp$ du -sh juju-gui
[12:54] <bac> 5.7M	juju-gui
[12:55] <bac> oops, didn't see you'd done the same
[12:56] <ahasenack> co --lightweight is still a bound branch
[12:57] <rick_h_> ahasenack: yea, just minus the history so it should be just fine for juju-deployer needs.
[12:57] <ahasenack> rick_h_: ok, I'll ask hazmat
[12:57] <ahasenack> wither co --l or export even
[12:57] <ahasenack> either
[12:57] <frankban> bac: re: the error: never encountered, it does not seems related to your branch or to quickstart in general
[12:58] <frankban> bac: relatedly, could you please take a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/58680043 ? (quick branch)
[12:58] <rick_h_> ahasenack: I'll file it as a bug on the deployer
[13:00] <ahasenack> deployer has the --update option, so I think co --l is better than export
[13:00] <rick_h_> ahasenack: add notes/tweak https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-deployer/+bug/1274494 please
[13:00] <_mup_> Bug #1274494: deployer does not do lightweight checkouts of charms <juju-deployer:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274494>
[13:01] <ahasenack> thanks
[13:01] <rick_h_> but yea, we've tried to optimize the gui charm a bit but it's got a big history as we weren't always so light weight.
[13:02] <rick_h_> gary_poster: brought it up and brought down the size only recently
[13:02] <rick_h_> jujugui cool article on helpful ec2 tips/tricks. I like the billing monitoring bits https://launchbylunch.com/posts/2014/Jan/29/aws-tips/
[13:06] <bac> frankban: will do
[13:09] <bac> frankban: done
[13:10] <bac> rick_h_: any reason we didn't keep juju-gui on launchpad and do an import from github?
[13:13] <frankban> bac: thank you
[13:15] <rick_h_> bac: because I didn't think/now we could change it like that and what came up in discussion was noting a MOVE
[13:20] <bac> rick_h_: it may be, too, that vcs-imports from git are not reliable.  can't recall.
[13:20] <bac> rick_h_: but if someone unwittingly checks out from lp, they get 40MB for one file.  :)
[13:21] <rick_h_> bac: heh, tis true
[13:37] <benji> rick_h_: I need to pair with someone.  Let me know when you have time.
[13:38] <rick_h_> benji: rgr, on call atm but will ping when off
[13:39] <benji> rick_h_: thanks
[13:43] <bac> frankban: lightweight bzr checkouts directly from launchpad become unusable with your _vcs_branch prompt!
[13:44] <frankban> bac: uhm, I'll try it, maybe we have to revert to using bzr info
[13:45] <bac> frankban: in that scenario, i think using bzr anything will be a huge hit.
[13:46] <frankban> bac: ah! because it fetches info from lp
[13:46] <bac> yeah.  so just 'cd download-cache' causes the world to stop
[13:50]  * benji considers becoming an electrician
[14:00] <hatch> frankban do u have juju 1.17.1 installed? can you try and bootstrap local without sudo? It's throwing an error here
[14:02] <hatch> frankban thanks for the review btw
[14:02] <frankban> hatch: I'll try ASAP
[14:04] <hatch> thanks
[14:04] <hatch> bac https://twitter.com/imlxgr/status/427916382748291073 lol
[14:05] <bac> ha.  but that's not me.  i'm carpel tunnel free (atm)
[14:05] <bac> well i have them, they aren't messed up
[14:05] <bac> atm
[14:05] <hatch> haha
[14:08] <rick_h_> benji: off the call
[14:09] <benji> rick_h_: I'm on one now. :)
[14:10] <rick_h_> benji: see you later :)
[14:10] <benji> k
[14:10] <hazmat> frankban, gui branch merged and deployer 0.3.1 released to pypi
[14:11] <frankban> hazmat: great thanks!
[14:30] <frankban> hatch: what error?
[14:36] <hatch> frankban that sudo is required
[14:36] <hatch> and then any attempts after wards fail with some odd error about connecting to a local ip
[14:36] <hatch> I have to go and manually delete the folders to fix it
[14:39] <frankban> hatch: even if you changed the path to include $GOPATH/bin, quickstart invokes juju with its full path (i.e. /usr/bin/juju) so you are actually using 1.16. To test your branch I'd suggest to temporary change the cmd to just "juju". Now you must detsroy the environment using 1.16. Moreover (and I forgot to mention it in the review), I'd keep the 'sudo privileges required to bootstrap the environment' message also w
[14:39] <frankban> hen using 1.17, since sudo is still required, and the only difference is that it is invoked by core and not by quickstart
[14:40] <hatch> frankban I mean I was just using core, not quickstart
[14:41] <hatch> v 1.17.1 of core seems to require sudo for local environments
[14:41] <frankban> hatch: revno?
[14:42] <hatch> frankban no revno, installed from the repo
[14:42] <hatch> er
[14:42] <hatch> ppa
[14:43] <hatch> 1.17.1-precise-amd64
[14:43] <hatch>  /usr/bin/juju
[14:43] <frankban> hatch: I don't see it here: https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/stable
[14:44] <frankban> hatch: are you using trusty? are you sure juju is installed from the PPA and not from universe?
[14:44] <hatch> I'm on precise....
[14:44] <frankban> hatch:  apt-cache madison juju-core
[14:45] <hatch> https://gist.github.com/hatched/f10981633e833e0b3073
[14:48] <hatch> you're not seeing the same?
[14:52] <frankban> hatch: no... I think it's worth asking core devs about this. it seems 1.17 is no longer published in the stable ppa. in trunk I have 1.17.2 and it does not require sudo.
[14:53] <hatch> ok so then I need to update quickstart then to test for the 'patch'
[14:53] <hatch> because 1.17.1 definitely asks for sudo
[14:57] <frankban> hatch: I'd ask core devs if the release you have is reliable. If they consider 1.17 a development release we could in theory directly check for 1.18
[14:59] <bac> gary_poster: call in 2 minutes?
[15:00] <frankban> bac: I guess call in 30
[15:05] <bac> frankban: i meant our 1:1
[15:05] <bac> sorry for not being clear
[15:06] <frankban> bac: oh ok
[15:06] <gary_poster> bac replied on pm, but https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Z2FyeS5wb3N0ZXJAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.b6tepoq090fnj4qfdg23a3okhg
[15:10] <hatch> frankban ok 1.17.2 is the first version to not require sudo
[15:10] <benji> out of context programmer quote of the day: "Sometimes a ball of mud is better than a tree." -- gary_poster
[15:10] <gary_poster> lol :-)
[15:10] <benji> rick_h_: ping me when you have a few minutes
[15:10] <rick_h_> benji: ping
[15:11] <benji> rick_h_: I'll make a hangout
[15:11] <frankban> hatch: is 1.17 a development version? will it be released to the stable ppa?
[15:13] <hatch> frankban odd releases are not considered stable
[15:13] <benji> rick_h_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpi97gmmj5u8id27kf6un30g?hl=en
[15:14] <frankban> hatch: so, as a consequence, I assume they are not published in the stable PPA. If so, I'd say, from our perspective, no sudo if version >= 1.18
[15:17] <hatch> I suppose that's reasonable, is there any negative side effects you can think of if someone uses sudo on 1.17.2+ ?
[15:17] <hatch> I can't think of any
[15:20] <frankban> hatch: not sure, however, quickstart always install juju-core from the PPA (or from the base repos, assuming a newer version is present). So, if we can ensure development versions never land on the PPA or on production, we are ok with 1.18 check
[15:23] <Makyo> jujugui call in 7ish.
[15:24] <hatch> ok sounds good
[15:27] <frankban> guihelp: I need one QA (there is not so much to review) for https://codereview.appspot.com/55230044 (charm). Anyone available?
[15:30] <Makyo> jujugui call now ish
[15:30] <gary_poster> oh thanks Makyo
[15:37] <bac> jujugui: roger now says the mongo error from juju is a different known problem
[16:26] <hatch> I think that a pure functional js application would be a pretty cool system
[16:27] <hatch> but...but....events
[16:31] <rick_h_> events are a means to an end that's all
[16:31] <rick_h_> we have them, but their use can be a disaster so it has to be guided
[16:32] <rick_h_> thanks gary_poster interesting points for me to think on now. /me wants to demo some inverse system of my current system
[16:32] <gary_poster> rick_h_: :-) cool.  thanks for pushing the layer idea.  I agree it needs to be addressed, and needs a champion
[16:36] <Makyo> FYI James is home sick, so will be taking care of food/walking dogs/etc.
[16:37] <hatch> I downloaded and started playing EVE lastnight
[16:37] <hatch> we'll see if I enjoy it after the 14 day trial
[16:43] <rick_h_> Makyo: review done will qa. Let me know if you disagree with my notes or are confused by them
[16:44] <hatch> Makyo starting review
[16:44]  * hatch still thinks it looks like fish on a pole
[16:45]  * hatch is still thinking about a purely functional js app
[17:00] <dimitern> hatch, gary_poster, I'm proposing a fix for bug 1273464 at the moment
[17:00] <_mup_> Bug #1273464: putcharm api fails for compressed charm contents wrapped in a folder <api> <charms> <juju-core:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273464>
[17:01] <hatch> dimitern thanks :)
[17:01] <gary_poster> fantastic thanks dimitern
[17:01] <hatch> it's kind of an odd duck but it solves a lot of issues cross platform :)
[17:01] <dimitern> it even works with arbitrary nested dirs, as long as all the metadata, config and revision files are in the same dir
[17:02] <hatch> awesome!
[17:02] <dimitern> https://codereview.appspot.com/54680045 there it is, if you want to take a look
[17:03] <hatch> dimitern FYI I'm to report back to the GUI team the status on the new api work so can you please include me in the discussions as they come up
[17:03] <dimitern> hatch, sure, I'll remember - we don't have immediate talks scheduled though
[17:03] <hatch> even better :P
[17:06] <hatch> Makyo does Object.create() do a deep clone of the prototype you pass into it? I can't remember
[17:13] <hatch> Makyo ok I thought I was right but I just wanted to be sure http://jsbin.com/efeSAxUq/1/
[17:16] <Makyo> hatch, that's existing style  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:21] <hatch> Makyo ok review complete - mind checking the comments over and letting me know if you want to chat about anything
[17:28] <Makyo> hatch, we had a lot of talk this morning about consistency; I hope my responses are in line with that.  In short, I don't want to maintain two things that act in exactly the same way for different models in totally different ways; nor do I want scope-creep for this task.
[17:28] <hatch> :+1:
[17:28] <Makyo> ty
[17:28] <hatch> (that doesn't quite have the same effect without the emoticon) :)
[17:29] <Makyo> Will create a slack card for investigating factories, though. Kind of an abuse of constructors for no real benefit, seems like.
[17:29] <hatch> yeah, it may have been left over from a refactor or something
[17:30] <Makyo> Exactly. BoundingBox works the same way, but there's been work on it since it was created.
[17:48] <hatch> rick_h_ lol this._cleanups.pop()(); go javascript
[17:48] <rick_h_> hatch: no sense taking up memory creating a var we don't need :)
[17:49] <hatch> haha
[17:49] <rick_h_> especially in hidden back end util code
[17:53] <hatch> rick_h_ is there a deepEquals in python's assert? I can't seem to find the docs on the assert stuff
[17:53] <hatch> I'm probably looking in the wrong places
[17:53] <rick_h_> hatch: what are the two bits of data?
[17:53] <hatch> here is what the util method is returning return int(major), int(minor), patch
[17:54] <rick_h_> ok, so you're returning a tuple. You should be able to just assertEqual that
[17:55] <hatch> self.assertEqual('foo', 'bar', 'baz', return_value)
[17:55] <hatch> like so?
[17:55] <rick_h_> no, self.assertEqual((foo, bar, baz), return_value)
[17:55] <rick_h_> with quotes
[17:55] <hatch> ok cool
[17:55] <hatch> where are those docs anyways?
[17:55] <hatch> the assert ones
[17:55] <rick_h_> http://docs.python.org/2/library/unittest.html
[17:55] <rick_h_> see
[17:55] <rick_h_> http://docs.python.org/2/library/unittest.html#assert-methods
[17:55] <rick_h_> in  particular
[17:56] <hatch> ok yep I was looking in the wrong place :)
[17:56] <hatch> thanks
[17:56]  * rick_h_ is so glad he got the 32gb N10
[17:56] <rick_h_> remind me I need to get the 64 if they ever update it
[17:56] <rick_h_> offline movies on planes ftw
[17:57] <hatch> yeah 16H on the same plane will suuuuuck
[17:57] <hatch> haha
[17:57] <hatch> were you able to get business class?
[17:57] <rick_h_> no :/
[17:58] <hatch> boo urns
[17:58] <hatch> probably serious $ for the upgrade
[18:02]  * gary_poster been on calls straight since five hours ago :-)
[18:02] <gary_poster> Time for lunch
[18:02] <rick_h_> gary_poster: :/ lunch + motrin!
[18:02] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:23] <bac> hi hatch -- the work you're doing with quickstart and sudo, can you explain it briefly?
[18:24] <bac> is using sudo no longer required for bootstrapping a local env?
[18:25] <hatch> bac sort of
[18:25] <hatch> :) ...
[18:25] <hatch> so
[18:25] <hatch> in versions 1.17.1 and lower you will still require sudo for local deployments
[18:25] <bac> hatch: and in higher it disallows it?
[18:25] <hatch> anything higher, the not quite yet released 1.17.2,  and higher it is not required
[18:26] <bac> hatch: it seems juju-core trunk not only doesn't requires it but errors if you try to use sudo
[18:26] <hatch> so since 1.17 is a dev release I'm setting quickstart to not use it in 1.18 and higher
[18:26] <hatch> oh?
[18:26] <hatch> hmm that's unfortunate
[18:26] <hatch> what's the error?
[18:26] <bac> yeah
[18:26] <hatch> ok then I'll have to fix quickstart to target 1.17.1 and lower for sudo and not for anything else
[18:27] <bac> so i'm trying to do interop testing with quickstart and juju-core trunk and there is no way to launch locally with the current combo
[18:27] <hatch> man this is confusing hah
[18:27] <hatch> yeah sorry, once I finish this quickstart branch then it will work
[18:28] <hatch> I just have to finish the tests now, so once I finish my lunch I'll finish those up and you can test with this branch
[18:28] <bac> ok
[18:30] <bac> hatch: can't i just comment out the 'cmd.insert('sudo')' line?
[18:30] <hatch> I suppose you could
[18:30] <hatch> :)
[18:30] <bac> seems to workish
[18:31] <hatch> ish?
[18:31] <hatch> what does that break?
[18:31] <bac> well, it got past that point and is chewing along.  so far so good.
[18:32] <bac> workish means it is in the process of working.
[18:32] <hatch> gotcha :) ok running back to lunch, ping if you need
[19:01] <hatch> rick_h_ need review on your pr?
[19:02] <rick_h_> hatch: no, just self-reviewd it. Small and I waited to amke sure CI passed so should be good
[19:02] <hatch> you don't destroy the container :(
[19:02] <Makyo> Someone have 30sec free?
[19:02] <hatch> yup
[19:02] <rick_h_> hatch: that's the point, you can't the way the code works now
[19:02] <Makyo> hatch,  comment LGTM QA okay on https://codereview.appspot.com/55230044
[19:03] <Makyo> Still can't get rv to let me log in.
[19:03] <rick_h_> hatch: I gave it a special class and will update the bug that it needs some love
[19:03] <hatch> Makyo done
[19:03] <Makyo> hatch, thanks!
[19:04] <hatch> rick_h_ ohh the notifiers are left in the dom after each test
[19:04] <hatch> I see
[19:04] <rick_h_> hatch: because the notifier has Anim code that comes in after a set timeout and expects to do things
[19:05] <hatch> yeah....we should fix that
[19:05] <rick_h_> hatch: if you pull the container the Anim dies an ugly death
[19:05] <hatch> :)
[19:05] <rick_h_> hatch: thus the bug :)
[19:05] <hatch> haha
[19:29] <hatch> rick_h_ what would cause  ```major, minor, patch = version_string.split('.', 2)``` to fail, in frankban's review he gave an example where it was involved in a try/except but I can't seem to get it to downright fail in the command line
[19:30] <hatch> the docs don't give any indication either
[19:30] <rick_h_> hatch: link to the review? The only thing I could see is if the version string wasn't 3 parts but two
[19:30] <rick_h_> or not a string, maybe None
[19:31] <hatch> well if it wasn't a string then ok
[19:31] <rick_h_> or didn't container a .?
[19:31] <hatch> but can a shell-out return non string values?
[19:31] <hatch> https://gist.github.com/hatched/8716939
[19:31] <hatch> rick_h_ there is the method with his suggested changes
[19:32] <rick_h_> hatch: so I'd make sure to note the format expected. "1.17.0-trusty-amd64" and then the only thing I'd watch out for is assuming three parts
[19:32] <rick_h_> will 2.0 be reported as 2.0.0
[19:32] <rick_h_> or 2.0?
[19:33] <rick_h_> or that you got no output, so if output was None
[19:33] <hatch> that would have failed on the split though
[19:33] <rick_h_> hatch: not sure tbh.
[19:33] <rick_h_> hatch: right
[19:34] <hatch> ok so maybe he just suggested incorrectly
[19:34] <hatch> I'll put the try around the split instead
[19:34] <hatch> the first one that is
[19:34] <rick_h_> hatch: link to his note? maybe if I read what he said I can be more helpful?
[19:35] <hatch> https://code.launchpad.net/~hatch/juju-quickstart/no-more-sudo/+merge/203846/comments/476131 almost at the bottom
[19:36] <rick_h_> hatch: ok, so yea. It's fine the way it is. The try/except is good in case you get back something unexpected.
[19:36] <rick_h_> hatch: so what was the original questoin? what could cause you to hit the exception?
[19:37] <hatch> https://gist.github.com/hatched/8716939 see the new.py is what I just changed it to
[19:37] <hatch> yeah I was trying to hit the exception for testing but coudln't without it failing before there
[19:37] <rick_h_> oh crap my pebble shipped...Tues :(
[19:37] <hatch> I think my new version is what he intended
[19:38] <rick_h_> hatch: what happens if the version string is 2.0
[19:38] <rick_h_> ?
[19:38] <hatch> then you get ['2', '0']
[19:38] <hatch> splits never return errors that I could find (or read on the docs)
[19:39] <rick_h_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6845543/
[19:39] <rick_h_> hatch: ^
[19:39] <hatch> ohh unpacking is the issue
[19:39] <rick_h_> type python on the terminal and give it a try :)
[19:39] <hatch> yeah I have been, I didn't think the unpacking would be an issue
[19:39] <hatch> ok so...
[19:40] <hatch> https://gist.github.com/hatched/8716939
[19:40] <hatch> newnew.py
[19:40] <rick_h_> the first one is pretty safe
[19:40] <rick_h_> sure, works I think
[19:40] <hatch> because output could never be anything but a string?
[19:42] <rick_h_> I don't think so. but the call could fail
[19:43] <rick_h_> if you don't have juju installed or something
[19:43] <rick_h_> but I think that's promised at this point?
[19:43] <hatch> right and that's already caught earlier in the app
[19:43] <hatch> yeah
[19:43] <rick_h_> k
[19:43] <hatch> ok reverting to what he had
[19:43] <rick_h_> cool
[20:18] <hatch> the python test runner is irritating me
[20:18] <hatch> it's like sometimes it bails without throwing an error if another test fails sometimes
[20:20] <hatch> rick_h_ is there a .only equivalent in the python test suite?
[20:24] <hatch> bah figured it out
[20:33] <benji> I'm down to three test failures.
[20:37] <hatch> yay
[20:51] <bac> hey hatch, i was thinking the version of juju-core i hand-built called itself 1.17.2 ... but i wonder if it'll get bumped to 1.18 when released.  will impact the cut-off for your sudo work.  may want to touch bases with roger about it.
[20:51] <hatch> bac 1.17.2 will be released in the dev side of things
[20:51] <hatch> but the public releases will be 1.18.x
[20:51] <bac> for anyone following along, the mongo-on-fire error occurs with the 1.17.2 patch
[20:51] <hatch> the sudo stuff I have checks for below 1.17.2
[20:52] <bac> yeah, that'll work
[20:52] <hatch> https://code.launchpad.net/~hatch/juju-quickstart/no-more-sudo
[20:52] <hatch> here is the branch if you want to see my changes
[20:54] <bac> hatch: you've got conflicts...
[20:54] <benji> oh man, those three tests only fail on a second run (reload of the test page)
[20:55] <hatch> bac BLARG *grumble grumble grumble*
[21:00] <rick_h_> benji: check the url hash
[21:00] <rick_h_> benji: that's the card/issue Makyo brought up yesterday
[21:00] <rick_h_> and I'll hopefully take a peek at tomorow/during flight
[21:01] <rick_h_> benji: the test run has to start with a clean url (no hash) or it'll fail
[21:02] <benji> rick_h_: yep, I realized that was the problem.  Given that you know too, I assume it is a pre-existing condition.
[21:02] <rick_h_> benji: yep, card in the slack task lane to look into it
[21:03] <benji> ok
[21:03] <benji> (I suggest that since it has cost me at least an hour of work it should be urgentified.)
[21:03] <rick_h_> benji: as I said, hoping to work on it in travel tomorrow
[21:04] <benji> cool
[21:06] <bac> hatch: i think your local_bootstrap_requires_sudo is broken for some values, e.g.  1.18.1 and 2.17.2
[21:14] <hatch> 2.17.2 works
[21:14] <hatch> 1.18.1 doesnt
[21:15] <hatch> I switched the wrong > :/
[21:15] <hatch> thanks for the catch bac
[21:16] <bac> ah, right, 2.17.1 didn't...
[22:02] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:11] <gary_poster> hey huwshimi.  talk to you soon
[22:12] <huwshimi> Sure!
[22:17] <mhall119> rick_h_: just wanted to say thanks for your juju help the other day, it seems the root cause of my problems was that staging wasn't using postgresql:db-admin when it should have
[22:39] <huwshimi> rick_h_, hatch: Do either of you happen to know if you can resize the Phontom viewport in a single test?
[22:40] <hatch> huwshimi I dont' know, I would also be pretty confident saying not the way our test structures are currently done
[22:40] <hatch> but you can fire a fake resize event, no?
[22:41] <hatch> if you like, you can push the code up and I can take a look
[22:41] <huwshimi> hatch: I need to test two things... when the viewport starts at 1024px and another when it gets resized below that.
[22:41] <huwshimi> hatch: I'll push it up
[22:43] <rick_h_> mhall119: coolio glad you got it working
[22:45] <rick_h_> huwshimi: I'd think it should be a selenium test to do that
[22:45] <rick_h_> huwshimi: hatch http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16664433/how-to-resize-current-browser-window-in-selenium-webdriver-with-java
[22:45] <rick_h_> huwshimi: /me isn't sure what you're working
[22:45] <hatch> rick_h_ can selenium resize the window?
[22:45] <rick_h_> hatch: see the linky
[22:45] <hatch> oh cool
[22:46] <hatch> sorry my internet today has been bonkers
[22:46] <hatch> so much lag
[22:46] <rick_h_> hatch: it's using the java driver but should be available in all drivers
[22:46] <hatch> I'm probably being DOSd
[22:46] <rick_h_> I told you not to disagree with me. Too easy to take down those canadian interwebs :P
[22:46] <hatch> lol, I need the internet we have at the head office
[22:46] <hatch> 1GB/min lol
[22:48] <hatch> rick_h_ when I had that issue about string vs int you mentioned that it was something to do with ascii to unicode conversion....is there docs about this issue?
[22:50] <rick_h_> hatch: don't recall the issue but yea tons of unicode docs but it's a bit of a black pit. Block out some time.
[22:50] <rick_h_> http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2013/7/2/the-updated-guide-to-unicode/ maybe
[22:50] <rick_h_> http://kunststube.net/encoding/ for generic unicode info
[22:50] <hatch> oh haha, the issue was "17" >= 17 == False but "1" >= 1 == True
[22:51] <rick_h_> oh, that's not unicode based stuff
[22:51] <hatch> yeah I know about unicode, I was more interested in the technical issues with this
[22:51] <rick_h_> that's just  http://www.asciitable.com/
[22:52] <hatch> I'm not pickin up what you're puttin down
[22:52] <huwshimi> rick_h_, hatch: I've mocked out the tests for what I'm trying to achieve: https://github.com/huwshimi/juju-gui/commit/2225754cb0d26e50ffb6faae8f40b9bd98dbd2b8
[22:52] <rick_h_> so python objects have __eq__ methods (see http://www.rafekettler.com/magicmethods.html) and when you do str == int it uses those methods to compare the values
[22:53] <hatch> huwshimi yeah setting the size does not fire a resize event
[22:53] <hatch> huwshimi you may be able to do Y.one(Y.config.win).fire('windowresize')
[22:53] <hatch> or whichever resize event you're using
[22:54] <hatch> Y.one(Y.config.win).simulate('resize') might be the proper syntax
[22:54]  * hatch opens up the code
[22:55] <hatch> huwshimi look at test_d3_components.js:150
[22:55] <hatch> rick_h_ ahhh ok, see these are the things the language tutorials just seem to miss hah.
[22:56] <rick_h_> hatch: for int, __eq__ just checks they're the same integer value. however, you had a string. When you == a string and in it, it compares the int value of that string. Which is the character code for it. So you were getting "character code for "7" which is 55
[22:56] <hatch> gotcha, yeah that makes perfect sense once you know how it's working
[22:57] <rick_h_> hatch: rgr, so yea. Look at the acsii table and you'll see that 55 is the code for a 7 character
[22:57] <rick_h_> http://www.asciitable.com/
[22:57] <hatch> yeah
[22:57] <hatch> makes perfect sense
[22:57] <hatch> cool that you can define your own magic methods
[22:57] <huwshimi> hatch: If I use that can you set it to a particular size?
[22:58] <rick_h_> yea, so let's say you create a class "boats" and want to be able to say if boat1 > boat2, you can flesh out hte magic methods that describe how to compare boats (say by a tonnage attribute)
[22:58] <rick_h_> and make that actually work out just fine
[22:58] <hatch> huwshimi the second parameter to simulate is a custom options object. I've never used it but it reads like it 'should' work to supply a custom 'what happened' object
[22:58] <huwshimi> hatch: Additionally, I'm not sure if that helps me to set the initial size of the page without firing a resize
[22:59] <hatch> http://yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/api/classes/Node.html#method_simulate
[22:59] <hatch> rick_h_ yeah that's super cool
[22:59] <hatch> might get confusing if you lose context as to what a boat is
[22:59] <hatch> being loosely typed and all
[23:31] <rick_h_> huwshimi: gary_poster is the AU going down tonight?
[23:31] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Should be any minute now
[23:32] <rick_h_> huwshimi: k, joined but no one around so was curious
[23:32] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Oh, is there a regular url again?
[23:33] <rick_h_> huwshimi: there was a url on the calendar event so used that
[23:33] <huwshimi> I usually just get an invite
[23:33] <huwshimi> Ah right
[23:33] <rick_h_> oh, well let me know where to be when it's time
[23:36] <gary_poster> me here


[13:11] <mchelen> any reason why ubuntustudio.org doesn't default to HTTPS?
[14:56] <OvenWerks> mchelen: no idea.
[16:15] <mchelen> OvenWerks: it's not great security practice, given that there are links to .iso downloads (which are also HTTP)
[16:50] <OvenWerks> mchelen: that may be true, however, web page setup is not my thing. I am not sure who is doing web stuff right now.
[16:59] <mchelen> OvenWerks: ok, yeah I wasn't sure where to create an issue or anything
[16:59] <OvenWerks> mchelen: do you know if xubuntu's site is any different? I think the same person worked on both
[17:01] <mchelen> OvenWerks: visiting http://xubuntu.org correctly redirects to https
[17:04] <OvenWerks> mchelen: I will drop this coversation on the dev mailing list and see what comes from it.
[17:36] <mchelen> OvenWerks: ok thanks! hopefully its just a matter of creating a redirect


[08:14] <alienresidents> hello, anyone available to help with a base-installer via netboot issue?
[08:16] <alienresidents> anyway, I am having an issue where when installing via kickstart (preseed, and/or ks) on a not-routed subnet (ie: same subnet), everything works as expected.
[08:17] <alienresidents> The problem is when I am installing on a routed subnet (ie: via a router).  During the install process, it seems to be going fine, download the installer components and right up until the base-installer kicks in (debconf_debug=5), and then suddenly it's unable to download packages with a "Connection failed" message.
[08:20] <alienresidents> :(
[08:20] <alienresidents> well, hopefully someone will come alive at some point :)
[08:20] <alienresidents> I've got plenty more information when required...
[08:48] <alienresidents> OK, well for anyone that is concerned after they wake up... we have a context/protocol aware firewall that was allowing the first part of the install process to get to the base-installer stage, and then the protocol was being seen as apt-get (rightly so), and the firewall peoples hadn't allowed apt-get (go figure).
[13:56] <lassizci> is there any way to determine the size of a disk in kickseed's %pre? It looks like it's executed quite early, so it doesn't know about disks yet
[13:59] <lassizci> partitioning is done based on disk size so I try to determine the disk size in %pre and generate the partitioning schema there
[14:00] <lassizci> using preseed partman/early_command in the kickstart just makes the partman questions pop out and it seems to ignore kickstart defined partitioning, when used
[15:45] <nuclearbob> I could use some help with an expert partman recipe for lvm if somebody's got a minute
[17:04] <xnox> nuclearbob: those are tricky. What are you after?
[17:05] <nuclearbob> xnox: I want to create a volume group that fills the whole disk and a logical volume that only takes up part of the volume group so we can use snapshotting
[17:06] <xnox> nuclearbob: you can use automatic preseeding and set an option to only fill the lvs upto such %.
[17:06] <xnox> one sec.
[17:06] <nuclearbob> xnox: thanks.  If it's easier for me to pop over to whatever room you're in, I can do that as well
[17:08] <xnox> nuclearbob: partman-auto-lvm/guided_size
[17:08] <xnox> preseed that to some sensible value like 50%
[17:09] <xnox> and you should be able to use just the bog-standard lvm preseed we have in the desktop/server utah ubuntu testcases.
[17:09] <nuclearbob> xnox: awesome, thanks
[17:09] <xnox> nuclearbob: you can read the template help info about that option in the partman-auto-lvm package
[17:09] <nuclearbob> rad


 free vpn in ubuntu?
 how to run ms dos in linux?
[09:57] <Tm_T> bazhang: dosbox
[09:57] <Tm_T> a valid answer to valid question
[11:29] <LjL> meh
 Install Mono 2.8 or greater for Windows to run .NET 4.0 applications.
[17:09] <bazhang> .NET on ubuntu?
[17:10] <Pici> sure


[01:38] <skryking> any x2go users in here?
[01:45]  * ianorlin personally does not but ask your question
[02:07] <procyon_ember> I want to move /tmp to a ramdisk on an existing installation of 15.10. Any advice?
[07:52] <Guest_____> Is it any way to restet the panle and the items ? i have mess it up.
[08:09] <guest4> My Shutdown button missing from panel. how can i get it back ?
[08:31] <Guest4> 14.04.3:  shutdown is missing from aplication launch bar settings. can i get it back ?
[15:07] <Langley> Is there no search function in the file manager?
[15:08] <Langley> Oh it's ctrl+shift+f
[15:09] <skryking> Guest4 it is an item under the application launch bar...so right click on panel, select add remove panel items... select application launch bar and then properties.  You should be able to handle it from there
[20:57] <guest01> 14.04.3 Shutdown is missing on aplication launch bar settings. I removed it by a misstake. Is it something i can do to get it back ?
[20:58] <redwolf> yes
[20:58] <redwolf> guest01, you have to add an Application Launcher and look for "lubuntu-logout"
[20:59] <redwolf> other solution to fix it is creating your own shutdown launcher: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2218080
[21:00] <guest01> how can i add a an application launcher ? i can only see them. nothing happens when i click on add or remove.
[21:00] <redwolf> right click on the panel, and settings
[21:00] <redwolf> then you can add it from the "panel applets" tab
[21:01] <redwolf> in that tab press the button "+Add"
[21:03] <guest01> I dont find shutown in the list.
[21:03] <redwolf> then try that ubuntuforum solution, unless you want a more radical one :)
[21:04] <redwolf> you remove your panel settings with two commands in the Terminal
[21:04] <redwolf> rm -r ~/.config/lxpanel
[21:04] <redwolf> lxpanelctl restart
[21:06] <redwolf> but you will lose all your custom applets, your configuration, orientation, etc. and it will appear factory-default
[21:06] <guest01> why is not shutown in my aplication launch bar list so i cud do it in the menu ?
[21:07] <redwolf> because it's a special launcher, not a normal app
[21:07] <redwolf> actually it's a bunch of scripts
[21:07] <redwolf> removing the config is not so radical, don't worry
[21:08] <guest01> so with these commands it will be like in a new instatallation ?
[21:09] <redwolf> yup
[21:10] <redwolf> but it will affect only the panel. not the desktop or other LX things
[21:11] <guest01> it works now..
[21:11] <guest01> thank you.
[21:11] <redwolf> grat!
[21:11] <redwolf> *great!
[21:11] <redwolf> you're welcome
[21:11] <guest01> usally i dont like to mess in the terminal.. i am not an expert.
[21:12] <redwolf> it's very powerful once you start digging
[21:12] <redwolf> there's a nice web: http://linuxcommand.org/
[21:13] <redwolf> and of course we have a guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[21:13] <guest01> is the terminal commands the same in all linux xubuntu lubuntu and ubuntu ?
[21:14] <redwolf> yes, on all Linux systems
[21:15] <redwolf> from one distro to another only changes where we store some files or apps, but the structure is the same for all
[21:21] <Langley> Where is the logs located, that I should look after restoring from a system freeze
[21:22] <redwolf> there're plenty log files, Langley
[21:22] <Unit193> /var/log/
[21:22] <redwolf> use this to show them all: ls --ignore=*.gz /var/log
[21:24] <Langley> Okay... too bad I don't understand any of it... oh well..
[21:24] <redwolf> :D
[21:25] <guest01> My system freeze once when i open many windows in firefox and restartet the computer by it self. Is all ok then after this ?
[21:26] <redwolf> yes, nothing is damaged doing that. how many windows / tabs?
[21:26] <redwolf> there're ways to save memory when browsing. there're nice extensions.
[21:27] <guest01> not many.. maybe 3 or 4.. havys sites or flashplayer. i dont remember.. sometimes firefox can hang some sec before it respond.
[21:27] <redwolf> it depends on the pages, maybe
[21:28] <redwolf> is your computer old?
[21:28] <guest01> or my computer.. it is a singecore netbook.. but 1GB ram.
[21:28] <guest01> singelcore
[21:28] <guest01> I am not sure about the age.
[21:28] <redwolf> yes, opening some webs could consume that
[21:33] <Langley> That wouldn't be my problem... I have no idea what it can be, perhaps other than old hard drives
[21:35] <redwolf> sure, my old computer was dying because of its hard drive. it's amazing how it can slow the entire system (affecting the rest of components)
[21:36] <redwolf> it was broken. I realised it did a short-circuit in the motherboard. I only noticed slowness.
[21:36] <Langley> That sounds weird too
[21:36] <redwolf> yup
[21:36] <redwolf> but it died! :D
[21:37] <Langley> I don't think anythings dying here... Anyways, what can I look for in the log files
[21:37] <redwolf> okies
[21:38] <redwolf> and consider using some Firefox extensions to save memory
[21:46] <Langley> I think you're confusing me with that guest guy
[21:51] <redwolf> O.O
[21:51] <redwolf> that was for him, sorry :D
[21:52] <redwolf> I should name my messages, Langley :)
[23:06] <platzhirsch> Any idea how I can get the workspace switcher in-screen get turned off?
[23:06] <platzhirsch> It always appears in the middle
[23:10] <Gnjurac> does lubuntu come with ftp client preistalled


[01:28] <ArMo3> I installed Xubuntu via WUBI . When I reboot into Xubuntu, it first says "Press ESC to add advanced boot options" and after some time (that is after the loading is complete) "Out of Sync / 67.5 kHz" .
[01:44] <Kangarooo> ArMo3: after installing wubi is in windows making size and all files auto copies. then restarting should give option to log in xubuntu
[01:56] <skyhawk> Hello?
[02:40] <mrthelimeguy> Hey all, I was wondering, is Xubuntu a good platform for minor programming languages, eg, Python, Perl, and Ruby?
[04:32] <strgllh> How can I set xubuntu to automatically hibernate at a certain power level?
[04:43] <strgllh> Really liking xubuntu, just installed it today. Seems to have less of the Canonical junk. Is that on purpose?
[08:05] <galanakis> hi, I can't choose the resolution i need. How can I do this?
[08:09] <TheSheep> settings -> settings manager -> display
[08:11] <galanakis> the option isn't avalible
[08:11] <galanakis> I have a 1366x768 screen and can only choose a nother screen resolution
[09:03] <galanakis> how do you change the resolution, when the resolution you want isn't an option..
[09:18] <Sysi> arandr or xorg.conf
[09:31] <galanakis> there is no xorg.conf in /X11/ :(
[09:31] <Sysi> not anymore by default
[09:32] <galanakis> and I'm not sure what i must do with arandr
[09:32] <Sysi> GUI should not be too hard
[09:32] <galanakis> oh okay, so i must just make one? what must i type in it for a 1366x768 resolution?
[09:33] <galanakis> It doesn't have my resolution listed in the GUI
[10:40] <galanakis> sysi, i've downloaded arandr, but it only has the wrong resolution avaliable.
[10:40] <galanakis> sysi, i've also tried making a xorg.conf, but it messed up the display when i rebooted, and i had to delete it.
[12:36] <galanakis> I need to shut down the GUI, so it's just the terminal running, how do I do this?
[12:37] <TheSheep> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:37] <galanakis> TheSheep: Thanks!
[13:22] <NativeAngels> hello
[14:27] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[16:19] <Jeff_>  i have a question if anyone can help. im installing xubuntu on a partitioned hard drive.  one half windows xp  other half all for linux.  the computer is a dell insperon 2650.  i installed xubuntu from the windows os bc for some reson no versions of linux acculy boot on this computer. idk why. but the issue is that the touch pad and keybord will not work in linux. this is a laptop btw   so right now i have a usb keyboed and mouse pl
[16:21] <charlie-tca> Jeff_: got cut off at " so right now i have a usb keyboed and mouse p"
[16:48] <xubuntu702> kann ich hier auch auf deutsch chatten ? habe die regel noch nicht gelesen.
[16:49] <charlie-tca> !de
[16:49] <xubuntu702> ok,danke
[16:49] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:03] <Zaibach333> hello
[18:04] <Zaibach333> I just installed xubuntu on a different computer than what I'm using and its reaaallly slow, plus I had to update packages in terminal cause the gui one wont work.
[18:04] <Zaibach333> that and I cant use the install additional drivers to finish my installation of hardware
[18:04] <Zaibach333> is there a way to do that in terminal?
[18:07] <charlie-tca> yes, use jockey-gtk. If it is real slow, how much memory/ram does it have/
[18:07] <charlie-tca> ?
[18:07] <Zaibach333> a gig
[18:08] <Zaibach333> it was an early windows vista laptop... idk I just assume the hardware is good enough since I've tried installing xubuntu on lesser computers
[18:09] <charlie-tca> no reason for it to be slow with 1GB ram, might want to run memcheck on it from the grub menu
[18:10] <Zaibach333> is the grub menu the menu from an install disk?
[18:10] <charlie-tca> no, it is the menu you get when you hold right shift after the bios check
[18:11] <Zaibach333> oh nice, does that work on most linux distributions?
[18:13] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I think it should work on the ones using grub2
[18:14] <Zaibach333> I thought it was done with apt=get upgrade but its still going, is there some arguments needed after jockey-gtk once I get there?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> !jockey-gtk
[18:15] <Zaibach333> !jockey-gtk ? what do you mean
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Usually jockey-gtk DRIVER
[18:16] <Zaibach333> oh, I dont know exactly what driver though...
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Then you probably should use the Applications -> System -> Hardware drivers
[18:16] <charlie-tca> or Additional Drivers, depending on the release you have
[18:16] <Zaibach333> that's what isnt working atm
[18:17] <charlie-tca> but you have to wait for updates to finish, then restart the computer
[18:17] <Zaibach333> I suppose that could fix that
[18:17] <charlie-tca> You can not do both at the same time.
[18:18] <Zaibach333> well as soon as the OS was installed I tried oppening that and it didnt work, and the package manager wouldnt either so I found the command for apt-get update and upgrade hoping an upgrade would fix the program additional drivers
[18:20] <Zaibach333> so jockey-gtk doesnt have an auto thing with prompts or something similar to additional drivers?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> You did a new installation from cd?
[18:20] <Zaibach333> yes
[18:20] <charlie-tca> no, it doesn't prompt
[18:20] <Zaibach333> multiple tries on this computer, multiple successful tries on other computers
[18:23] <Zaibach333_> got disconnected there
[18:24] <Zaibach333_> I find it a bit odd that I have to update after install cause the install said it would update while it installed idk, guess its okay.
[19:51] <strgllh> Anyone know when xubuntu is moving to xfce4.8? We're currently on 4.6, right?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> When Natty Narwhal is released
[19:53] <strgllh> charlie-tca, thanks!
[22:14] <khaki54> hola
[22:14] <khaki54> I've been trying to sift through the forums
[22:14] <khaki54> does xubuntu 10.10 still support original xbox?
[22:15] <khaki54> and do you think I can use it to build a router?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> I don't think xubuntu had an Xbox release
[22:29] <pleia2> charlie-tca: http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/XUbuntu
[22:29] <pleia2> err, khaki54
[22:29] <pleia2> different XUbuntu
[22:29] <khaki54> haha really?
[22:29] <pleia2> as far as I know that project is no longer maintained
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks, pleia2
[22:29] <khaki54> I mean it's liked directly
[22:29] <pleia2> "XUbuntu is also the name of the official lightweight version of Ubuntu. The project can be found on http://xubuntu.org/"
[22:30] <charlie-tca> So, that was using Ubuntu 5.10, Xubuntu started with 6.06
[22:31] <khaki54> hmmm
[22:31] <khaki54> so it's poorly worded on their site
[22:31] <pleia2> yeah, it confuses a lot of people
[22:32] <khaki54> you win
[22:32] <khaki54> There is no relationship between "xUbuntu" linux and "Xubuntu" or "XUbuntu" linux system
[22:33] <khaki54> I was trying to come up with a quick fix since I bricked my linksys wrt54g
[22:34] <khaki54> stuck using the fios router which blows
[22:34] <khaki54> ok
[22:34] <khaki54> well thanks for straightening me out
[22:34] <khaki54> probably saved me several hours of pain
[22:35] <khaki54> though I could just grab the breezy 5.10 xUbuntu release and upgrade the distro
[22:36] <bazhang> doubtful
[22:37] <khaki54> you think it would remove my drivers due to lack of compat?
[22:37] <charlie-tca> If they have it. We don't archive the end of life releases here
[22:37] <bazhang> it would be completely unsupported, with zero updates available
[22:38] <khaki54> yeah that's a good point also, the repos would be dead
[22:38] <khaki54> maybe strip the drivers out of the old distro and add them to a newer one?
[22:38] <khaki54> then install it that way?
[22:39] <khaki54> I'm biding my time until www.netgear.com/home/products/wirelessrouters/high-performance/WNDR4000.aspx comes out
[22:46] <josh1> If I close my lid of my laptop before I log in, I get a weird white login screen, my passwords do not work with this screen, anybody have an idea of what this is?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> josh1: sounds like you are suspending it during the bootup
[22:49] <josh1> charlie-tca: any idea why my password doesn't work? or how to disable this?
[22:50] <charlie-tca> login, then close the lid?
[22:50] <josh1> yeah, I had never done it before, just noticed it now, thought it was weird. Just didn't get why my password didn't work, I am the only account and I did the install myself
[22:53] <charlie-tca> It doesn't know how to recover before you login, apparently
[22:59] <josh1> oh ok


[20:09] <hateball> Hello, is there anywhere I can find out if a newer version of mesa will make it into 23.04 ? Right now I am using mesa from oibaf ppa (plus mainline kernel) or my radeon 7900 xtx won't work. But I'd prefer not relying on ppa's etc :)
[20:27] <Bashing-om> hateball: One can check the current install version: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libgl1-mesa&searchon=names&suite=lunar&section=all .
[20:28] <hateball> Bashing-om: yeah I know, I was using it before the ppa version. I was just wondering if the final release of Lunar would have a newer version than 22.2  :)
[20:29] <hateball> I am not sure when 23.1 which I am using now will be released as stable in itself tho


[10:11] <JK45> hi,
[10:12] <JK45> does someone know if the functionnality "start on event1 AND event2" is availiable, i am not able to use it
[10:25] <mbiebl> JK45: no, it's not implemented yet.
[10:25] <JK45> erf, ok thanks
[10:26] <JK45> any idea of the priority of this feature ?
[11:57] <mbiebl> JK45: please ask Keybuk


[19:52] <aisrael> I'd like to request ubuntu/member cloaking. https://launchpad.net/~aisrael
[20:11] <Fuchs> aisrael: hi, please wait for IRCC to see your request
[21:02] <aisrael> Fuchs: No problem, thanks!