[04:43] <James_M> hello
[04:44] <eric__> intelikey: So if I can input the correct partition I may just find the kernel and boot ubuntu...?
[04:44] <eric__> (I still need to do 2nd stage install)
[04:44] <nickrud> garryfre, as I understand it, there's only the text install. (pretty text, but text).
[04:44] <digikom> garryfre:  you have to download the alternate cd for text mode installs
[04:45] <nickrud> ah
[04:45] <nickrud> digikom, what are the others using then?
[04:45] <intelikey> eric__ yes if you can tell it where  'vmlinuz'  &  'initrd.img'  are  and what partition to mount as /   (assuming it's a partition)  then you can boot.
[04:45] <garryfre> Oh, I am told, I needed to use the alternate cd. Oh well, it still worked for me, I just switch the drives in bios for what I want to boot.
[04:45] <SD> can anyone help me with a dependency conflict please? i get this anytime i try to install anything from apt-get: firefox-gnome-support: Depends: firefox (= 1.0.8-0ubuntu5.10) but 1.0.7-0ubuntu20 is to be installed
[04:45] <James_M> okay, so how do I make  my Netgear WG111v2 work with Xubuntu on PPC (ndiswrapper-less)
[04:45] <nickrud> digikom, I ask because I don't have the bandwidth to test :)
[04:46] <digikom> nickrud:  with dapper the default is to use the new desktop cd
[04:46] <James_M> this is Xubuntu 6.06
[04:46] <garryfre> Thanks for the info Nick and Digi
[04:46] <James_M> ?
[04:46] <eric__> intelikey: If I show you my partition map, can you help me figure out what to type at the 'boot' prompt?
[04:47] <nickrud> digikom, hm. ok, then some overnight stuff, and a spare partition is about to be abused. Thanks for the pointer
[04:47] <intelikey> eric__ maybe.... but i'm not versed in apples...
[04:47] <eric__> My partitions are currently configured thus:
[04:47] <eric__> IDE1 master (hda) - 80.0GB ST380013A
[04:47] <eric__> #1 32.3 kb Apple
[04:47] <eric__> #2 1.0 MB boot Untitled
[04:47] <eric__> #3 79.7 GB ext3 Untitled /media/untitled
[04:47] <eric__> #4 282.3 MB swap swap swap
[04:47] <eric__> intelikey: I'm thinking it shouldn't matter.  Maybe I'm wrong.
[04:48] <eric__> The error I'm getting is: pci@800000000/mac-io@10/ide@200000/disk@0:3,/boot/vmlinux: Input/output error
[04:48] <eric__> Should I be pointing at partition 2?
[04:48] <James_M> can anyone help with getting a Wireless USB working with Xubuntu for PPC
[04:48] <intelikey> i'd guess the root to be the #3
[04:48] <James_M> or even regular Ubuntu
[04:48] <intelikey> eric__ #3 /
[04:49] <intelikey> eric__ #2 is too small    #1 is too small   #4 is swap  that kinda narrows the choices.
[04:50] <nickrud> James_M, try looking on wiki.ubuntu.com, there's correctable info there
[04:50] <jaqson> HI, people
[04:50] <lisa_> I just upgraded from Breezy to Dapper, yet, it still looks like breezy, and when I click on "about ubuntu", it says 5.10!!!
[04:50] <James_M> k, thx
[04:50] <eric__> intelikey: OK, because when I type 'help', I get "If you omit 'device"' and 'partno' yaboot will use the values of 'device=' and 'partition=' in yaboot.conf, right now those are set to: device=/pcj@00000000/mac-io@10/ide@200000/disk@0: partition=3'
[04:51] <jaqson> Does someone know how to disable some services on the system start up ?
[04:51] <nickrud> the canonical check is lsb_release -a in a terminal
[04:51] <nickrud> nathanael, ^^^
[04:52] <intelikey> yeah eric__  that makes sense.   now you have to load a kernel    kernel=vmlinuz      and   initrd=initrd.img      boot
[04:52] <eric__> intelikey: Are those things I have to add to yaboot.conf or is that a command I can enter someplace?
[04:53] <Janux> Hi everybody, I have a question.  In Xubuntu, I am not able to view Chinese in Nautilus, what should I do? any clue?  thanks.
[04:53] <bimberi> jaqson: you can use the update-rc.d command or install bum (boot up manager) for a gui
[04:53] <sir_spelunker> janux: learn to read english?
[04:53] <digikom> jaqson: system->administration->services deselect which ones you don't want
[04:53] <intelikey> eric__ i'm assuming "both"   but again it would help if i had at lease one time in my life seen and apple mac       8*{
[04:54] <Flannel> sir_spelunker: that's hardly a proper answer.
[04:54] <kholerabbi> Can I use the .deb packages for installing gaimbeta3 on breezy located at http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb/ (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompileGaim)???
[04:54] <eric__> intelikey: For the purposes of making me less ignorant, let's assume I'm using a PC for the moment.
[04:54] <sir_spelunker> seems reasonable to me
[04:54] <Janux> sir_spelunker: pretty funny but I just wanna let my mom use it, I am used to read English, so any clue?
[04:54] <Flannel> Janux: you using dapper?
[04:54] <Janux> Flannel: yes
[04:54] <eric__> intelikey: What must I do next?
[04:54] <nickrud> jaqson, install the package bum, and it'll be available under System->Admin
[04:54] <Xenophoebic> anybody install dapper on a Chaintech VNF4 Ultra? last ubuntu wouldnt work either... keyboard wouldnt work on lang select...
[04:54] <defunkt> !opera
[04:54] <ubotu> download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ (breezy) or http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-284/intel-linux/ (dapper) to install see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[04:55] <mooseman447> hey is there anybody still here?
[04:55] <Flannel> Janux: well, there's no bugs re: chinese and nautilus, so it should be possible.  I, however, don't know how.
[04:55] <intelikey> eric__ ok on a pc   you would type   root=/dev/hda3  [enter]   kernel=vmlinuz [enter]   initrd=initrd.img [enter]  boot [enter]
[04:55] <Madpilot> I've got a fun little hardware bug since upgrading to Dapper - when I shut down Ubuntu, my mouse doesn't get shut off - the red light stays on...
[04:55] <nickrud> hm, channel membership has dropped by about 120 since I got here
[04:55] <jkernsjr_> DUDES!!!!....Fantastic job..if any of you here actually worked on Dapper ;)
[04:56] <nathanael> lsb_release says 5.10
[04:56] <nathanael> how do I upgrade?
[04:56] <Flannel> nickrud: a lot was because of the two D-C things.
[04:56] <Janux> Flannel: yes, the thing is, if I install Ubuntu, it works automatically, I don't have to install anything extra and I can view chinese in Nautilus but not in Xubuntu
[04:56] <mooseman447> whoa ok does anybody know if updates need updates for dapper?
[04:56] <nickrud> nathanael, gksudo "update-manager -d"
[04:56] <nickrud> Flannel, ah.
[04:56] <mooseman447> know if apps*
[04:56] <intelikey> nathanael are you sure you want too ?
[04:57] <nickrud> lurkers got dropped
[04:57] <Flannel> Janux: you might try asking in the forums, since no one who's active here seems to know.
[04:57] <jkernsjr_> nathanael: update-manager rocks
[04:57] <Janux> Flannel: thanks
[04:57] <Mysta> hey guys, in Dapper what is the remote login via xdmcp allow me to do?
[04:57] <disinterested_pe> so will the packages in synaptic red hat ones allow me to install yahoo messenger.red hat?
[04:57] <jkernsjr_> intelikey: why nog?
[04:57] <Flannel> Janux: you might also try #xubuntu
[04:57] <intelikey> nog reason
[04:57] <nickrud> Janux, the xubuntu guys could use some help. manpower is the issue in a lot of things
[04:57] <nathanael> Excellent!!!!!!!!!!
[04:58] <Janux> Flannel: I asked there, nobody knows.
[04:58] <jkernsjr_> nog not..same thing
[04:58] <Flannel> Janux: heh, alright ;)
[04:58] <mooseman447> hmmm i have 2 systems that us ubuntu and i just upgraded both with the upgrade manager but one seems to look even newer like a new nautluis logo and stuff why dont you think this one looks like that too?
[04:58] <Sid> Hello?
[04:58] <Sid> Any Ubuntu Center users out there?
[04:58] <Flannel> Ubuntu Center?  is that the online help thing?
[04:59] <jkernsjr_> Sid: what is ubuntu center?
[04:59] <Sid> err sorta
[04:59] <eric__> intelikey: OK - the iMac doesn't freeze, but it doesn't respond helpfully.
[04:59] <T_D_H> would someone be able to help me get a breezy badger boot floppy image???
[04:59] <Sid> It's a PHP/MySQL/Apache conglomeration
[04:59] <eric__> intelikey: "No such file or directory"
[04:59] <jaqson> bimbery: I will try that. Thank you
[04:59] <Flannel> oh.  right, it's not the online help thing.  just some package something or other.
[04:59] <intelikey> eric__ at what point.   the  root=/dev/hda3  ?
[04:59] <nickrud> T_D_H, sure, send me some floppies, some money, & I'll build a cattable image :)
[04:59] <T_D_H> :o
[04:59] <eric__> intelikey: Right.
[04:59] <Sid> Ubuntu Control Center lets you stream music, access your files, and schedule torrent downloads from within a browser
[04:59] <T_D_H> isnt there somewere i can DL one???
[05:00] <intelikey> eric__ i suspect the addressing is quite different
[05:00] <Sid> among other things
[05:00] <jkernsjr_> how many people here using xgl/compiz?
[05:00] <nickrud> T_D_H, seriously, you need to install breezy without a cd?
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> ubotu: memprof
[05:00] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, bluefoxicy
[05:00] <distanceisdeath> how do i open python IDLE?
[05:00] <Tibby> which iso should i download if i want to install ubuntu 6.06 to my computer?
[05:00] <Random_Transit> hey, this might sound like a noob question, but is there any way to upgrade from breezy to Dapper without losing data?
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> the memory profiler seems broken.
[05:00] <Tibby> i'm amd64
[05:00] <T_D_H> no i have the CD but i cant boot from CD its an old ass computer
[05:00] <disinterested_pe> ok, i forgot how to get superuser privlidges?
[05:01] <Flannel> disinterested_pe: sudo
[05:01] <Sid> jkernsjr_: I would, but I haven't found reliable ATI instructions
[05:01] <madewokherd> distanceisdeath: IDLE is only on windows
[05:01] <bimberi> disinterested_pe: sudo
[05:01] <distanceisdeath> well, how do i get the >>> thing?
[05:01] <intelikey> eric__ maybe root=/pcj@00000000/mac-io@10/ide@200000/disk@0<3>   just guessing at the <3>   maybe tab completion ?
[05:01] <nickrud> T_D_H, ah. There might be some info that will help, a sec
[05:01] <jkernsjr_> Sid: do you have ati accelaration already working?
[05:01] <mooseman447> does anybody see me?
[05:01] <disinterested_pe> i did that and i got requires superuser privlidges
[05:01] <bimberi> madewokherd: pardon?
[05:01] <bimberi> !info idle
[05:01] <ubotu> idle: (An IDE for Python using Tkinter (default version)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 60 kB
[05:01] <Flannel> mooseman447: nope, you're invisible.
[05:01] <T_D_H> K thank you, i have tried SMB like the cd said but it doesnt help
[05:01] <intelikey> anyone know mac addressing ?
[05:02] <jkernsjr_> mooseman447: moose are stelthy arent they?
[05:02] <mooseman447> seriously? this is a different irc program so i may have messed up something
[05:02] <jaqson> digikon: I dont have that services menu. My Ubuntu version is Hoary.
[05:02] <Flannel> mooseman447: no no, it's fine ;)
[05:02] <intelikey> what is the partition struct ?
[05:02] <jkernsjr_> mooseman447: what program you using?
[05:02] <mooseman447> lol im waaay to guilble late at night
[05:02] <Flannel> mooseman447: how else would I know to tell you you're invisible?
[05:02] <eric__> intelikey: Tab completion doesn't do anything.  Keying in the device path doesn't give me any different result.
[05:02] <mooseman447> i dunno maybe your "special" and can see me
[05:03] <Sid> jkernsjr_: yeah, I'm using fglrx
[05:03] <eric__> Seems like the ubuntu installer should have configured the yaboot correctly.  Did I screw something up in the installation process?
[05:03] <jaqson> nickrud: How can I find the package bum ? Give the apt repositorie for this pack, please.
[05:03] <Tibby> if i'm doing a regular install
[05:03] <intelikey> eric__ i say if possable boot the live cd and fix the boot loader from there.
[05:03] <jkernsjr_> Sid: hang on and Ill get you the instructions I used
[05:03] <nickrud> T_D_H, does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto help?
[05:03] <Sid> jkernsjr_: Sweet deal... Thanks!
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> T_D_H:  Get easyubuntu :P
[05:03] <mooseman447> hmmm how do i take screenshots in dapper?
[05:03] <T_D_H> nickrud ive used that proggy
[05:04] <Flannel> Random_Transit: an upgrade wont lose your data (well, ideally), but it's not a reinstall
[05:04] <Tibby> ubuntu-6.06-desktop-amd64.iso or ubuntu-6.06-alternate-amd64.iso
[05:04] <Sid> hahaha
[05:04] <Sid> Yeah automatix is cool
[05:04] <Sid> But then you learn how to make your own scripts
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> ubotu automatix
[05:04] <bimberi> jaqson: it's in the universe repository ...
[05:04] <ubotu> it has been said that automatix is dangerous! DO NOT use it, it has wrecked many systems. If you really insist on a script to do the work for you, consider EasyUbuntu (!easyubuntu, #easyubuntu).
[05:04] <bimberi> ubout tell jaqson about universe
[05:04] <T_D_H> [ NetWork BandWidth: 0 kb/s, Download: 0 kb/s, Upload: 0 kb/s ]  Record: [ Download: 0 kb/s, Upload: 0 kb/s ]  -=KoG-Fu=-
[05:04] <intelikey> eric__ maybe nickrud or someone has a mac  that can help ya.
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> Sid:  dirty is more like it :P
[05:04] <Sid> Really? I thought it'd been fixed
[05:04] <_mason> Hello, Could i speak / get help from anyone who has successfully got Half Life 2 working correctly in cedega?
[05:04] <eric__> Can I email him?
[05:04] <DarkLegacy> Hey
[05:04] <nickrud> jaqson, it's in the universe repo, but if System->Administration->Services works for you, you won't need bum
[05:04] <Tibby> i used to use the -install-amd64.iso
[05:04] <Flannel> Tibby: Alternative CD is the old textmode installer, Desktop CD is a liveCD, and then you install via the liveCD.  The alternative has more options/flexibility.
[05:04] <Sid> _mason: I have.
[05:04] <intelikey> bimberi even
[05:04] <Tibby> but there isnt an option
[05:05] <mooseman447> hello?
[05:05] <T_D_H> so anywayz, no one can help me with a floppy boot then im taking it as???
[05:05] <DarkLegacy> Is there any way to install Kubuntu over network?
[05:05] <hyphenated> _mason: cedega/transgaming support cedega. get your money's worth from them ;-)
[05:05] <eric__> intelikey: do they mind being emailed?
[05:05] <Tibby> which would you reccomend Flannel ?
[05:05] <intelikey> hehhe idk.
[05:05] <nickrud> T_D_H, alternative install methods are not my forte. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies is the alternate method I've found
[05:05] <T_D_H> K ill check it out
[05:05] <Flannel> Tibby: well, since you've already installed with the textmode before, I'd continue with that.  liveCD is sometimes buggy, and gives you fewer install options
[05:06] <jkernsjr_> Sid: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=916
[05:06] <intelikey> nickrud you got mac ?
[05:06] <bimberi> eric__, intelikey: sorry no clues here either :/
[05:06] <jkernsjr_> what irc clients does everyone use?
[05:06] <nickrud> intelikey, no. Would like to have one though
[05:06] <intelikey> bimberi thanks same
[05:07] <intelikey> nickrud k
[05:07] <jaqson> nickrud: I could find services on that path
[05:07] <distanceisdeath> how do i isntall activepython?
[05:07] <Sid> jkernsjr_: Thanks man! With any luck, I'l have compiz running TONIGHT.
[05:07] <freakabcd> jkernsjr_, i use xchat. not that xchat-gnome crappy interface. ksirc sometimes
[05:07] <fairy> jkernsjr_, irssi or x-chat, depending on if I'm in console mode or not :P
[05:07] <nickrud> jaqson, check every response, some are more direct than others :)
[05:07] <Madpilot> mooseman447, to take screenshots, hit the PrntScrn key
[05:07] <Mysta> isnt the partitioning tool installed by default in DAPPER?
[05:07] <root_> i'm trying to get tri-monitors setup. 2 are running on nvidia and 1 is ati. They work fine in windows, but i dont even know if it it's possible in linux. any ideas?
[05:07] <Tibby> thanks Flannel
[05:07] <distanceisdeath> !activepython
[05:07] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, distanceisdeath
[05:08] <root_> whoops, that's a giveaway  ;)
[05:08] <distanceisdeath> man
[05:08] <TheUni> heh
[05:08] <eric__> intelikey: thanks for the guidance to this point.
[05:08] <freakabcd> TheUni, sure its possible. but you'll have to edit the conf file by hand.
[05:08] <fairy> In reference to an earlier question I had, I found out -what- is being output to TTY8,  It's the output of usplash, however, I can't figure out how to change where it outputs too :|
[05:08] <Madpilot> TheUni, still not a good idea to be root while you're on irc
[05:08] <freakabcd> i doubt theres a utility to generate the right setup for you
[05:09] <mooseman447> ..... wow im a idiot
[05:09] <fairy> Anyone know how to change where usplash prints it's messages?
[05:09] <TheUni> Madpilot: i never run root...
[05:09] <intelikey> eric__ In your patience possess ye your souls...  someone will come in with the answers you need.
[05:09] <James_M> Can anyone tell me what USB wifi dongles work without ndiswrapper?
[05:09] <TheUni> had to boot into failsave then run xserver as test. forgot i hadnt logged back off yet.
[05:09] <mooseman447> any ideas on why gnome looks different on this box then the one right next to it lol
[05:09] <freakabcd> James_M, depends on the vendor!
[05:09] <Flannel> mooseman447: they two different versions?
[05:10] <matti> http://nodus.estrefa.pl/~matti/tmp/wife-deb.jpg
[05:10] <freakabcd> mooseman447, rm -rf ~/.gnome* and some metacity stuff ,etc then you'
[05:10] <mooseman447> no everything is the same i update both within a day from the internet
[05:10] <TheUni> freakabcd: closest i've gotten is 2 screens stretched into 1, then 1 separate completely. any idea how to write the .conf ?
[05:10] <freakabcd> ll get the default setup
[05:10] <freakabcd> TheUni, woah. you want to _span_ 3 screens? go ask #xorg
[05:10] <James_M> freakabcd:  I just need something that will work with Ubuntu for PPC
[05:10] <nickrud> mooseman447, I second freakabcd I had that with different users on the same box
[05:10] <freakabcd> i don;t have experience with that. i don;t have 3 screens :(
[05:10] <TheUni> k
[05:11] <mooseman447> hang on ill get screenies
[05:11] <zach> can anyone help me get 2 screens going? ati 9500
[05:11] <intelikey> Madpilot you don't know mac/imac does you ?
[05:11] <Madpilot> intelikey, not at all
[05:11] <nickrud> intelikey, if you can pull nalioth back up, he knows a bit
[05:12] <intelikey> nickrud yeah.
[05:12] <nalioth> intelikey: join me in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[05:13] <freakabcd> James_M, ppc or non-ppc doesn;t matter much iirc cos the os api is the same (from the driver point of view)
[05:13] <James_M> freakabcd, I mean something I won't have to ndiswrap
[05:13] <freakabcd> James_M, check if theres an oss driver first. if not, try the ndiswrapper stuff. if it still doesn't work, i have no clue
[05:14] <James_M> oss driver?
[05:14] <freakabcd> James_M, you mean: you want to know which hardware to buy?
[05:14] <James_M> freakabcd, yes
[05:15] <Geoffrey2> well, I'll ask one more time, since I can't find an answer on ubuntuforums at present...I have a Dell Inspiron 6000 with a Broadcom 1470 wlan, I managed to get the thing set up today and logged onto the network...then I powered down the computer....tonight, I can't get wireless...
[05:15] <UzzaDead> anyone know if kubuntu/ubuntu will work on an oldworld G3/G4?
[05:15] <bimberi> !oldworld
[05:15] <ubotu> somebody said oldworld was to install on an old world powermac, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/OldWorldMacs
[05:15] <James_M> UzzaDead, it will work
[05:15] <James_M> UzzaDead, but only if it has a PowerPC chip
[05:15] <mooseman447> does this work<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:16] <UzzaDead> yeah im talking G3 and G4 chips
[05:16] <James_M> UzzaDead, then yeah, it'll work
[05:16] <Geoffrey2> Network Manager shows only a wired connection....Netorking under Administration shows the wireless device as being active, but when I disable and re-enable, it can't connect to the router
[05:16] <Flannel> mooseman447: if we had a password, looks likeit.
[05:16] <mooseman447> no password
[05:16] <Geoffrey2> iwconfig shows the wireless card, but says there's no signal
[05:16] <UzzaDead> thanks James_M
[05:17] <mooseman447> does it come up?
[05:17] <freakabcd> mooseman447, works
[05:17] <mooseman447> any ideas?
[05:17] <zach> how can i set gdesklet starterbar to always be on top ..and on auto hide...........
[05:17] <James_M> Geoffrey2, I have the same problem with my USB dongle.  Post the exact output of iwconfig, then try typing in:  iwlist scan
[05:17] <luishhc> !update
[05:17] <ubotu> luishhc: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:17] <luishhc> !updates
[05:18] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, luishhc
[05:18] <luishhc> !upgrade
[05:18] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[05:18] <Geoffrey2> where should I post it...not in channel, I suspect
[05:18] <freakabcd> ubotu, tell Geoffrey2 about paste
[05:18] <tortho> anyone tryed partition magic to resize / ? is it safe?
[05:18] <roler> I just loaded dapper, and it is not running my Core Duo in SMP mode... How can I load a SMP kernel?
[05:18] <bohdan> tortho: you shouldnt resize partitions as a rule
[05:18] <mooseman447> do you see the differences?
[05:18] <jaqson> nickrud: I have ever added all the lines of the universe repositories I have found. Can you copy the line containing the bum pack to me ?
[05:18] <adamant1988> Yay I got my graphics card enabled ^_^
[05:19] <dr_willis> !smp
[05:19] <ubotu> from memory, smp is Symmetric Multi Processing. The x86 architecture way of using multiple CPUs in one computer.
[05:19] <nickrud> jaqson, are you on 5.10 or 6.06 ?
[05:19] <MadMerC> hi guys i have just plugged a new monitor in and now my screen res is stuck at a really low one can anyone help please
[05:19] <tortho> bohdan: Ok, but i have too little space, and my cdrom drive is broken... so no way to reinstall i guess?
[05:19] <dr_willis> roler,  search in synaptic for the smp ebabled kernels and install one
[05:19] <freakabcd> mooseman447, are both dapper?
[05:19] <roler> dr_willis; will that load the appropriate modules too?
[05:19] <mooseman447> yea both updated with the upgrade manager
[05:19] <freakabcd> i think one of them is behind in terms of updates to the other
[05:20] <bohdan> tortho: i have used and do use part magic to resize
[05:20] <Flannel> mooseman447: using different themes? what is different between the two?
[05:20] <mooseman447> some have different packages installed but same os from i can tell
[05:20] <dr_willis> roler,  no clue.. i see no reason why it shouldent.. they are part of the kernel
[05:20] <freakabcd> did you logoff and login on both machines?
[05:20] <bohdan> tortho: but i have lost data in maybe 5-10% of cases
[05:20] <fairy> Is there a way to change the output of startup scripts from tty8?
[05:20] <m1ke_l> hi ya'll....what is that app that will build a new source.list for me?
[05:20] <bohdan> tortho: so be warned :P
[05:20] <nickrud> jaqson, because my advice will be different
[05:20] <freakabcd> mooseman447, cos the icons and stuff will be updated on next login iirc
[05:20] <hyphenated> ubotu: sourceomatic
[05:20] <ubotu> hyphenated: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:20] <roler> thanks :)
[05:20] <freakabcd> by updated i mean: updated on the display
[05:20] <nickrud> !source-o-matic
[05:20] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:20] <mooseman447> its the iirc its the way nautlius looks
[05:20] <kholerabbi> Whats the best p2p software for ubuntu?
[05:20] <m1ke_l> thanks
[05:21] <hyphenated> close enough :-)
[05:21] <kramer3> Anyone here been very successful with 6.06 and a macbook pr?
[05:21] <freakabcd> mooseman447, those are old icons (the non -orange ones)
[05:21] <bohdan> oops
[05:21] <tortho> bohdan: any good things to do first? Is it better to shrink my windows part, and then make and mount a new linux part, in stead of resize? My win part, is not critical..
[05:21] <mooseman447> whoa i think it was theme!
[05:21] <freakabcd> mooseman447, try logging off the box with the old icons and login again
[05:21] <mooseman447> good call
[05:21] <bohdan> kholerabbi: try mldoney
[05:21] <James_M> does anyone have a USB wifi dongle they didn't need ndiswrapper to install
[05:22] <npodges> how do you make it so window focus doesnt change when you move your mouse, that is... so that you can still type in the selected window when the mouse moves
[05:22] <bohdan> tortho: yes shrink windows first
[05:22] <mooseman447> even though i never touched it the old one was set to custom and the new one as human
[05:22] <freakabcd> mooseman447, its the right theme 'human' which you can see is the one selected on both boxes by running gnome-theme-manager
[05:22] <bohdan> tortho: u might want to defrag and chkdsk it first though
[05:22] <freakabcd> mooseman447, eh, ok. change it to human
[05:22] <bohdan> tortho: saves lots of time and errors
[05:22] <mooseman447> yea i found it and fixed it but i wonder why it changed......
[05:22] <ziz> are there any know issues with sharing files with smb, between ubuntu i386 & amd64 version
[05:22] <MadMerC> i've justr plugged in a new monitor and the screen res is now set very low and i cant change it can anyone help ??
[05:22] <tortho> bohdan: but what about resize / or make and mount a new?
[05:22] <mooseman447> yup they look mostly normal now but i bet i just need to reboot to finish
[05:22] <kholerabbi> thanks - is there a disk defrag tool?
[05:23] <Geoffrey2> ok, it's in pastebin, 15235, I believe
[05:23] <Xyc0> I have a rather specific question about VLC on ubuntu, should I ask about it here or in a VLC chat?
[05:23] <freakabcd> mooseman447, there was a time during the dapper devel period where the theme somehow became 'custom' even when you selected 'human'
[05:23] <kramer3> Macbook pro.. anyone had any luck with this laptop?
[05:23] <freakabcd> but it was fixed a while before dapper was released
[05:23] <mooseman447> really?
[05:23] <dr_willis> Xyc0,  heh -  it may be best to check the vlc homepage/docs/faq
[05:23] <bohdan> tortho: if it was me i would shrink my windows part and then reboot and then resize your nix part
[05:23] <mooseman447> maybe because the one that looker older got upgraded first
[05:24] <axisys> i get this message "Totem could not play fd://0' Videocodec MSS2 is not handled." in my firefox
[05:24] <tortho> bohdan: Thanks, I'll try that :-)
[05:24] <mooseman447> thanks guys i need to sleep now
[05:24] <axisys> while trying to run this .. http://blog.outer-court.com/files/google-spreadsheets/1.wmv
[05:24] <freakabcd> mooseman447, yes, i had the same thing. everytime i selected human, it would revert to custom on the next login
[05:24] <freakabcd> then a few updates (few days) later, it was ok
[05:24] <mooseman447> hmm i didnt reboot yet to test that but how did you get it to stay?
[05:24] <axisys> how do i play wmv within firefox using totem?
[05:25] <mooseman447> ok
[05:25] <fairy> axisys, I might be a little off, but I believe you'd need to install w32codecs
[05:25] <freakabcd> mooseman447, err.. i never said 'reboot'. i just said logout and login :)
[05:25] <carlo> Man, I couldn't get the Broadcom to work with Dapper. Just gave up and used ndiswrapper. :(
[05:25] <freakabcd> mooseman447, don;t worry. it _will_ stay
[05:25] <kramer3> macbook pro,.. I guess I'll just give it a try and see what works..
[05:25] <tortho> I read somwhere about synaptics / update "on a stick" (USB memory stick) anyone who knows where it can be found? I can't find it again...
[05:25] <neogreen> Is there a website I can go to, to find how install and configure an Ubuntu Server?
[05:25] <axisys> fairy: i thought new automatix took care of that
[05:25] <ahmeni> axisys: you should be able to play it with w32codecs installed
[05:25] <Xyc0> I am using VLC player on a dualview setup, anyone know how to get VLC to always play fullscreen on the secondary monitor?
[05:26] <intelikey> mooseman447 thinking he's still using M$ reboot os ?
[05:26] <Geoffrey2> James_M: I pasted the iwconfig result to pastebin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15235
[05:26] <Anonycat> How do I add a network interface on Ubuntu?  I have a wireless card inserted in a PC slot, but the only interface showing is ppp0 and I don't see an option to add another one such as wlan0
[05:26] <Mysta> neogreen: there is an #ubuntu-server channel, you may want to start there.
[05:26] <axisys> ahmeni: automatix latest had the w32codec option to install
[05:26] <intelikey> Anonycat ifconfig
[05:26] <axisys> ahmeni: and i did install with that
[05:26] <neogreen> okay thanks
[05:27] <fairy> axisys, I'm not really familiar with automatix at all :( sorry.
[05:27] <fairy> axisys, it might depend on the version of wmv too.
[05:27] <intelikey> !automatix
[05:27] <ubotu> hmm... automatix is dangerous! DO NOT use it, it has wrecked many systems. If you really insist on a script to do the work for you, consider EasyUbuntu (!easyubuntu, #easyubuntu).
[05:27] <fairy> I don't know if w32codecs handles wmv9 very well.
[05:27] <axisys> fairy: can u play this http://blog.outer-court.com/files/google-spreadsheets/1.wmv?
[05:28] <MadMerC> can anyone fix my resolution problem please
[05:28] <axisys> intelikey: i guess time to remove automatix then
[05:28] <Xyc0> Does LTS mean that the support cycle is extended?
[05:28] <fairy> axisys, afraid not.  I'm still in the config stage of setting up my system.  I'm also on dial-up (got about 30mb worth of downloads to go x.x;)
[05:28] <fairy> SO, it'll be a while before I get to enabling media-playing.
[05:28] <Whoops> lost my sound in totem-xine.....how to fix
[05:29] <intelikey> Xyc0 yup
[05:29] <tortho> Xyc0: Yes, 5 years i think
[05:29] <cyne> can i talk on skype with ekiga?
[05:29] <cyne> to skype users
[05:29] <Madpilot> MadMerC, have you seen http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto?
[05:29] <jmworx> Is it worth filing a bug report for problems that I can't reliably reproduce? e.g. desktop freezes and I have to kill the x server, but only happened once.
[05:29] <freakabcd> axisys, dunno about fairy, but i sure can play that file
[05:29] <intelikey> 3/5  desk/server
[05:29] <Anonycat> I don't see an option in ifconfig to create a new interface, only to bring up or down an existing one.  Is there some syntax that will create a wlan0 interface, and if so, what?
[05:29] <fairy> Whoops, double check what sound plugin totems trying to use.
[05:29] <jkernsjr_> ubotu: your really anti automatix arent you?
[05:29] <ubotu> jkernsjr_: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:29] <fairy> I've found when my sound disappears, it's usually because I lost the configuration to point it to esd or something stupid like that :P
[05:29] <Madpilot> jkernsjr_, ubotu is a bot :)
[05:29] <Flannel> cyne: yes. both use h323 clients
[05:29] <Xyc0> Is that supposed to comfort server admins?
[05:29] <freakabcd> jkernsjr_, ubotu us a bot!
[05:29] <Whoops> thanks fairy
[05:29] <jkernsjr_> haha
[05:29] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell jkernsjr_ about yourself
[05:29] <jkernsjr_> ok
[05:29] <cyne> Flannel.. very nice
[05:30] <jkernsjr_> a bot that doesnt like automatix?
[05:30] <Flannel> cyne: you can get more details at http://www.gnomemeeting.org
[05:30] <freakabcd> jkernsjr_, thats because automatix _is_ not nice
[05:30] <intelikey> Xyc0 it's sucker bait
[05:30] <jkernsjr_> ubotu: hello
[05:30] <ubotu> what's up, jkernsjr_
[05:30] <fairy> Whoops, might not be the same in your case, but it's something to look at nonetheless :)
[05:30] <Madpilot> jkernsjr_, it's an intelligent bot :)
[05:30] <Whoops> ty..............bbl
[05:30] <freakabcd> jkernsjr_, you can talk to the bot by privmsg (/query)
[05:30] <Rukia|Linux> Ugh
[05:30] <jkernsjr_> ubotu: where do you live?
[05:30] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, jkernsjr_
[05:30] <freakabcd> so that bot spamming doesn;t happen in the channel. it will respond as usual though
[05:31] <intelikey> Xyc0 it's supposed to "sell" ubuntu    so to speak.
[05:31] <axisys> freakabcd: you can huh? using totem through firefox?
[05:31] <jkernsjr_> freakabcd: how do i turn off join/leave/timeout stuff in xchat?
[05:31] <freakabcd> axisys, nope. mplayer after wget
[05:31] <freakabcd> jkernsjr_, umm.. i dunno :( try asking in #xchat
[05:31] <Rukia|Linux> I'm new to linux and I would like some help on installing VLC please
[05:31] <Rukia|Linux> :S
[05:32] <axisys> freakabcd: i can too
[05:32] <axisys> freakabcd: but how about using totem through firefox
[05:32] <intelikey> Rukia|Linux sudo apt-get install vlc
[05:32] <freakabcd> so, its clearly established that its not w32codecs' fault
[05:32] <MTecknology> Rukia|Linux, do you know how to install software?
[05:32] <Rukia|Linux> Not really
[05:32] <freakabcd> axisys, why not install the mplayer-plugin ?
[05:32] <jkernsjr_> freakabcd: :) thanks
[05:32] <axisys> freakabcd: yeap
[05:32] <freakabcd> so firefox uses mplayer rather that that crap totem
[05:32] <MTecknology> Rukia|Linux, System>Administration>Synaptic
[05:32] <intelikey> !repos
[05:32] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[05:32] <Anonycat> intelikey: I don't see any option on ifconfig to actually add an interface.  Is there one, and if so what is it?
[05:32] <jkernsjr_> was readin wiki about ubotuusage
[05:32] <eigenlambda> is vlc in unicverse?
[05:32] <axisys> i did install mplayer plugin
[05:33] <eigenlambda> ya rukia
[05:33] <disinterested_pe> well everything works on my machine dont know why or how but my volume from keyboard doesnt
[05:33] <eigenlambda> use !easysource
[05:33] <eigenlambda> !easysource
[05:33] <freakabcd> axisys, then maybe you need to restart you're fiefox?
[05:33] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:33] <jaqson> nickrud: I am 5.04
[05:33] <axisys> but some media gets played by mplayer and some calls totem.. hmm
[05:33] <intelikey> Anonycat i'm network illiterate.  but  here's an example; ifconfig lo <IP_ADDRESS> up
[05:33] <tortho> Rukia|Linux: or in the commandline way, "sudo apt-get install vlc"
[05:33] <freakabcd> axisys, thats firefox config stuff
[05:33] <eigenlambda> Rukia|Linux: select main, restricted, universe, multiverse, and penguin libration front
[05:33] <fairy> here's maybe a dumb question... how can I update firefox past 1.0.8? :P
[05:33] <Anonycat> That only brings up or down an existing interface
[05:34] <freakabcd> the mime setup inside ff
[05:34] <Anonycat> The only interface that shows up for me is ppp0; I want to create a wlan0
[05:34] <eigenlambda> tortho: she doesn't have universe selected
[05:34] <fairy> apt-get install mozilla-firefox is a no go.
[05:34] <cge> fairy: Are you using dapper?
[05:34] <eigenlambda> Rukia|Linux: i bet u want win32codecs too...
[05:34] <freakabcd> cge, since when did dapper ever have 1.0.8 ?
[05:34] <eigenlambda> Rukia|Linux: are you looking to be able to watch bleach on linux?
[05:34] <Flannel> fairy: dapper has 1.5,if you want to stay on breezy, read the link ubotu will give you...
[05:34] <Flannel> !tell fairy about ff1.5
[05:34] <mnvl> !tell fairy about firefox1.5
[05:35] <tale_> I'm trying to compile eye of gnome from cvs, can somebody help me setup my environment?
[05:35] <freakabcd> thats right, the answer is never!
[05:35] <nickrud> jaqson, oh. Ok, that's the release from April (04) of 2005(5). You really should downoald the alternate cd for dapper, and install that. First though you need to make sure your home directory is backed up.
[05:35] <fairy> cge, nope.  Only breezy.
[05:35] <axisys> freakabcd: here is my firefox about:plugins look like http://pastebin.com/764390
[05:35] <intelikey> fairy apt-cache search mozilla-firefox      to check the package name and availabilty
[05:35] <tortho> eigenlamda, Ok, wasn't thinking that far :-) It's a little early, and my coffee isn't finnished yet :-)
[05:35] <cge> freakabcd: I was wondering whether it was a botched upgrade.
[05:35] <axisys> freakabcd: as u can see i do have mplayer plugin as well
[05:35] <fairy> thanks guys :)
[05:35] <eigenlambda> tortho: early?  are you like in the UK or like Nigeria or something?
[05:36] <humbolt> Is dapper a good choice for a server?
[05:36] <tortho> eigenlambda: Norway..
[05:36] <axisys> freakabcd: how do i modify the suffixes to play with media player instead of totem
[05:36] <kholerabbi> How do I open a .rar file?
[05:36] <Vaske_Car> How to restart server from SSH?
[05:36] <fairy> I'm waiting until my Dapper CDs arrive to upgrade, since the update-manager botched it last time :P
[05:36] <humbolt> I generally like dapper because of all the nice packages available, but what about stability?
[05:36] <eigenlambda> ;)
[05:36] <axisys> anyone know of a irc chnl for firefox?
[05:36] <freakabcd> axisys, ok. you've got the crappy totem plugin as well.
[05:36] <Flannel> Vaske_Car: 'server' being a program? or the whole computer?
[05:36] <axisys> freakabcd: hehe
[05:36] <eigenlambda> dapper is more stable than mac os x.4 neways...
[05:36] <Flannel> axisys: #firefox on irc.mozilla.org
[05:36] <Jeffrae> Hi
[05:37] <kbrosnan> irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox
[05:37] <Vaske_Car> Flannel, all computer
[05:37] <eigenlambda> ya totem sucks.  doesnt support nething.
[05:37] <axisys> thnx Flannel and kbrosnan
[05:37] <Flannel> Vaske_Car: sudo shutdown -r now (-r is for restart, -h is for halt)
[05:37] <eigenlambda> totem needs to support win32codecs
[05:37] <jason0_> Can anyone help me get grub configured to boot winxp on a secondary hdd?
[05:37] <eigenlambda> rite now totem is a joke
[05:37] <kholerabbi> freenode #firefox also
[05:37] <Jeffrae> Anyone know if Ubuntu PPC version has been run on an IBM pSeries or iSeries?
[05:37] <axisys> wonder with ubuntu defaults to totem.. may be license issue?
[05:37] <tortho> ubuntu update/package install through a memory stick, anyone seen anything about it? (it means downloading packages on another pc)
[05:37] <eigenlambda> i'm surprised ubuntu bundles totem by default instead of mplayer
[05:38] <freakabcd> eigenlambda, what are 'neways', 'nething' and 'rite' ?
[05:38] <kholerabbi> Aynow how to get archive manager to open rar archives?
[05:38] <Jeffrae> anyone know if there is a ubuntu ppc room?
[05:38] <freakabcd> i'm not criticizing, just mentioning that using the correct form is helpful to everyone :)
[05:38] <Madpilot> kholerabbi, install unrar or unrar-nonfree
[05:38] <eigenlambda> neways -> anyway; nething -> anything; rite -> right (sometimes)
[05:38] <eigenlambda> but u alrdy knew that
[05:38] <Vaske_Car> Flannel, what I need to set to be able to change attributes with FTP?
[05:38] <eigenlambda> i mean, how couldnt u have?
[05:39] <Madpilot> eigenlambda, please stick with English here, not AIMglish ;)
[05:39] <freakabcd> eigenlambda, yes, i must admit that i knew what they were meant to be
[05:39] <uNtouched> I gotta quick question for someone with a Dell laptop, I did it before but I can't remember how to get i8kutils to start working. Anyone know?
[05:39] <cge> Ok, with a clean dapper installation, I am having a bizarre issue with cpufreq. cpufreq_available_frequencies correctly shows all of the frequencies that my cpu can do. However, scaling_max_freq (not min) shows the LOWEST frequency, and I cannot set the frequency to anything other than the lowest. Has anyone else seen this problem?
[05:39] <crimsun> Jeffrae: there is no -ppc room afaik. Yes, it does run on iSeries.
[05:40] <FuSiOn> hello :)
[05:40] <tortho> uNtouched: what is i8kutils? I have a Dell Laptop..
[05:40] <uNtouched> tortho: it's to control the fans in Inspiron 8xxx and latitude laptops.
[05:41] <FuSiOn`> I got compiz and xgl running :O  its sexy.  Weird thing is though, I can't seem to stop it from doing some akward stuff.  Like for instance.  gaim.. if I minimize and then restore the bl it keeps moving off to the right and down a bit.  Like cascading sorta?
[05:41] <swim> hey folks, is there a mysql editor somewhere?
[05:41] <tortho> uNtouched: Oh... Only 8xxx, I have a 9300 wich i'm using now..
[05:41] <Vaske_Car> FuSiOn - LockOn ?
[05:41] <FuSiOn`> no idea
[05:41] <Vaske_Car> roger
[05:41] <Flannel> swim: what do you mean editor?
[05:41] <FuSiOn`> someone told me how to turn on window snapping
[05:41] <uNtouched> yeah it says something about comiling the kernel and I remember I did it with hoary, but can't remember how
[05:41] <swim> Flannel: umm I guess a sql text editor?
[05:42] <Vaske_Car> Why I can not change file attribues with FTP? Is it because of vsftpd.conf settings or because of system privileges?
[05:42] <Vaske_Car> attributes*
[05:42] <cge> swim: Like vim?
[05:43] <G8trBait> Anyone happen to know if there is a way to get the 'Help' in window programs running in WINE to work?
[05:43] <disinterested_pe> why is the dapper desktop cd larger mb's than the install cd?
[05:43] <swim> cge I guess, I'm just trying to make sure its not the editor im using that is causing a phpmyadmin import db problem
[05:43] <tortho> unNtouched: I'm installing it now..
[05:43] <cge> swim: Ah. I doubt it.
[05:43] <irieken> Sorry to bother you all, but I am having trouble getting my new 6.06 install to display properly at 800x480... It keeps going to 800x600, even though I specify 800x480 in the screen modes.
[05:43] <irieken> *in the xorg.conf file.
[05:44] <intelikey> G8trBait if there is.  you will need access the /windows/help/ dir  i guess.
[05:44] <cge> disinterested_pe: It has a complete unpacked installation, whereas the alternate install cd has compressed packages.
[05:44] <Madpilot> disinterested_pe, the desktop CD has the LiveCD stuff, and some Windows apps
[05:44] <tortho> uNtouched: require the kernel module i8k.o which can be compiled from the package sources or found in Linux kernel 2.4.14 and later versions.
[05:44] <cge> disinterested_pe: or actually I am not rational right now, please ignore that.
[05:44] <tortho> uNtouched: Guess I'm stuck there.... I'm not that advanced :-)
[05:44] <disinterested_pe> ok that explains it the install cd downloads all the stuff for the install
[05:45] <Flannel> disinterested_pe: because the desktop CD has a liveCD in it, the installCD only has textmode stuffs.
[05:45] <disinterested_pe> ok flannel
[05:45] <Madpilot> disinterested_pe, no, AFAIK both do the install totally off the CD
[05:46] <jkernsjr_> FuSiOn`: good stuff! I got mine working this morning
[05:46] <lasindi[lappy] > Hi all, I'm trying to get a SanDisk Sansa m230 MP3 player to work in Ubuntu. I've been reading that most MP3 players simply mount as USB storage devices, which it did. However, none of the MP3s are there, only the .wav files that contain the recordings from the microphone. How can I get to the actual music?
[05:46] <Flannel> Madpilot: correct.
[05:46] <intelikey> "<Madpilot> disinterested_pe, the desktop CD has the LiveCD stuff, and some Windows apps" <--- M$ software ???
[05:46] <humbolt> So when will dapper be stable? I am not asking for a release date here, I know it was already released!
[05:46] <Flannel> intelikey: yeah.  its got some OSS stuff, FF, etc.
[05:46] <Madpilot> intelikey, no, Windows versions of Firefox and such
[05:47] <freakabcd> intelikey, windows software as in firefox, abiword, etc for windows
[05:47] <neeto> Is there an easy way to get sources for apt? I am running into a lot of problems trying to get software that aren't hosted on the default apt sources.list
[05:47] <nekostar> ..................
[05:47] <nekostar> anyone try k3b with gnome in dapper?
[05:47] <cge> humbolt: I believe there is supposed to be a significant update in around two weeks.
[05:47] <Anonycat> I have a wireless PC card in a laptop, and ndiswrapper installed, but the only interface that shows up is ppp0.  How can I add a wlan0 interface to the list that appears in network-admin?
[05:47] <disinterested_pe> look i got us talking stuff about sizes lol
[05:47] <freakabcd> so that when they do the transition they already know which apps to use and how they look like
[05:47] <intelikey> when did gnome become windows ?
[05:47] <freakabcd> nekostar, whats the problem?
[05:47] <intelikey> X apps
[05:47] <nekostar> k3b being the ONLY application that does data verification after burn on a front end ~_~
[05:47] <Flannel> intelikey: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5#head-446eb822d35d6ee9251b357836e1c9c008f4566c
[05:47] <Madpilot> intelikey, it's a good way of making the LiveCD multipurpose
[05:47] <nekostar> freakabcd, b/c
[05:48] <intelikey> x-apps
[05:48] <nekostar> the last time i had dapper was a few months back and the permissions problems were abundunt
[05:48] <mrproper> How can I see how much memory is on my video card?
[05:48] <r0xoR> nekostar, not yet
[05:48] <nekostar> with cdrdao and cdrecord if i member rite
[05:48] <r0xoR> nekostar, i tried in breezy and it was broke
[05:48] <humbolt> cge: so ubuntu is not denying that dapper was not really ready for a release yet?!
[05:48] <intelikey> Windows is a registered trade mark.
[05:48] <nekostar> r0xoR, its fine in breezy
[05:48] <Flannel> Madpilot, disinterested_pe: I believe the installers WILL check for updated versions of software, and install those instead.  That's why it'll download stuff.
[05:48] <dr_willis> Only problem ive had with dapper is the silly cups printing system
[05:48] <barros_> i'm compiling a custom kernel but the rt2570 does not compile.. it is marked to be compiled as module...
[05:48] <nickrud> openoffice, say it again, openoffice.  If they keep up making this system better and better for the whole LTS periode, I would certainly welcome this strategy.
[05:49] <ubotu> nekostar: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:49] <barros_> anyone knows if rt2570 has any dependency other than NET AND NET_RADIO?
[05:49] <Madpilot> freakabcd, that's nickpicking ;)
[05:49] <nekostar> dr_willis, usually yes.
[05:49] <freakabcd> Madpilot, no it is not
[05:49] <nekostar> but when k3b is broken one must make do...
[05:49] <Flannel> humbolt: LTS means Long Term Support, as in, you'll recieve security updates for 3 years on the desktop, instead of 18 months.
[05:49] <r0xoR> freakabcd, no it's OpenOffice.org (capital both)
[05:50] <freakabcd> yes, i made a typo there
[05:50] <intelikey> freakabcd just pointing out the problem with calling x-apps  windows apps    windows apps are like explorer.exe  notepad.exe     not firefox and gedit
[05:50] <freakabcd> OOo
[05:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> hi
[05:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> can someone help
[05:50] <Flannel> intelikey: no, those are Windows apps, not windows apps
[05:50] <disinterested_pe> i cant get some things to install by the commands u get with the package but thats fine too
[05:50] <particleman> howdy everyone
[05:50] <cge> Flannel: I think humbolt was asking whether the updates would include bugfixes other than security issues.
[05:50] <freakabcd> intelikey, ah i see. we are trying to make today the 'pedantic day'
[05:50] <humbolt> r0xoR: well ext3 seems to eat up my files if I am nearly full. And well, dapper does not crash, it is not like FC5 on Xeon, but there are many bugs.
[05:50] <freakabcd> grr.. even i jumped into it :(
[05:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> I installed Xubuntu onto my computer, and now can i get packages from the newest ubuntu live cd because i have it?
[05:50] <nickrud> Madpilot, not nitpicking, copyright. freakabcd is right in there :)
[05:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> I installed Xubuntu onto my computer, and now can i get packages from the newest ubuntu live cd because i have it?
[05:50] <Flannel> cge, humbolt, ah, yes.  Bugfixes are also always included with the security stuff.
[05:50] <intelikey> Flannel read the post i mentioned it about. ^
[05:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Flannel, hi
[05:50] <Madpilot> nickrud, bleh. Anyway, this chat belongs on -offtopic. :)
[05:51] <particleman> I've got an issue...I'm trying to install the newest server version of Ubuntu on a Dell 710m
[05:51] <Jeffrae> Ubuntu PPC  Any Takers?!?!
[05:51] <G8trBait> wget -c ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.4_i386.deb
[05:51] <G8trBait> sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.4_i386.deb
[05:51] <freakabcd> particleman, are you nuts?
[05:51] <particleman> ideally as a dual boot with the (default, already there) install of XP
[05:51] <G8trBait> woopsie :)
[05:51] <adamant1988> Ok, so the Ubuntu XGL room is dead
[05:51] <neeto> Is there an easy way to get sources for apt? I am running into a lot of problems trying to get software that aren't hosted on the default apt sources.list
[05:51] <Madpilot> Jeffrae, ask your questions, there are some PPC users around usually...
[05:51] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> flannel, will i be able to use a ubuntu live cd to get packages off of it on my xubuntu computer
[05:51] <freakabcd> i'm on the 710m as well. i wouldn't want to run this laptop as a server
[05:51] <particleman> install goes fine, but it won't let me resize any partions
[05:51] <adamant1988> is it a reasonable idea to run Ubuntu XGL or should I hold off on that
[05:51] <freakabcd> ofcourse i have all the server stuff installed :)
[05:51] <Flannel> [CC] Impsy|NH: as a repository, yes.
[05:51] <nekostar> i assume there is still nothing for drm medai?
[05:51] <nekostar> *media
[05:52] <particleman> freak-ok, I may have just been dumb then...I just wanted to get the direct install version
[05:52] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Flannel, how. i click ADD CD and it says checking index files but then unmounts the cd..
[05:52] <Jeffrae> Well I am wondering if anyone has used in on IBM
[05:52] <cge> neeto: You mean software that isn't it universe or multiverse, or just software that isn't in main?
[05:52] <humbolt> Flannel: Yes lots of bug fixes would be cool. An update/bugfix cycle even if there is no security issue.
[05:52] <Jeffrae> IBM's iSeries (AS400) or pSeries
[05:52] <particleman> since I figured I knew I was going to install it
[05:52] <Jeffrae> or i5
[05:52] <particleman> I didn't need the live cd capabilities
[05:52] <humbolt> Than dapper would again be worth it.
[05:52] <Flannel> [CC] Impsy`AO`OUT: I don't know what you mean.
[05:52] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Flannel, im using synaptic manager
[05:52] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> flannel, there is an Add a CD thing at the top.
[05:52] <Flannel> humbolt: right, bugfixes will happen throughout support
[05:53] <neeto> cge: I mean firefox 1.5 for instance
[05:53] <particleman> and yeah...freak-if you can offer me some insight, please do
[05:53] <humbolt> I think that is missing in Linux distros. They should freeze the underlaying technology some time and just concentrate on bug fixes for a few releases!
[05:53] <cge> neeto: Oh, you are running breezy?
[05:53] <nekostar> brb dapper here i come ~_~
[05:53] <dr_willis> humbolt,  that goes for all computers and programs in general.. but new features 'sell' new stuff.
[05:53] <Anonycat> I have a wireless PC card in a laptop, and ndiswrapper installed, but the only interface that shows up is ppp0.  How can I add a wlan0 interface to the list that appears in network-admin?
[05:54] <ic56> Jeffrae: I don't think Linux is available for AS400 -- I read a discussion a while back on why the system architecture made that next to impossible
[05:54] <stbrenner> anyone know why Juk won't play mp3s?
[05:54] <AaronMT> I'm looking for a super easy XGL install guide for Dapper (ATI) for a complete newbie
[05:54] <freakabcd> particleman, just do a regular install (if you've dont it already its ok), then just iknstall all the server software you need
[05:54] <neeto> cge: hoary
[05:54] <r0xoR> humbolt, maybe you need to make your own distro instead of complaining about the one you're using?
[05:54] <freakabcd> AaronMT, check ubuntuforums.org
[05:54] <dr_willis> AaronMT,  id  advice not worrying about it at this time
[05:54] <oxez> Hm, when I boot the i386 dapper install cd on my main computer (AMD XP 2600+, no weird hardware), it works..  How can I fix that?
[05:54] <freakabcd> AaronMT, theres a 'compiz: one thread to rule them all' thingy
[05:54] <jaqson> nickrud: Ok, I will do that in the future
[05:54] <cge> neeto: oh.
[05:54] <freakabcd> that links to all the relevant threads
[05:54] <intelikey> humbolt dr_willis yes.  it's sucker bait.... bells and whistles and flashing lights.....   sells gimics
[05:54] <jaqson> Bye.
[05:55] <Flannel> humbolt: ubuntu does that to a point.  Like, Dapper was the last of this 'cycle', and as such, the most polished.  Edgy will start another one, and be wild and crazy.
[05:55] <jaqson> I am exiting
[05:55] <AaronMT> freakabcd - Which subforum?
[05:55] <freakabcd> err.. let me find it for you!
[05:56] <cge> neeto: Well, you can upgrade to Dapper, or try /msg ubotu ff1.5 for information about getting firefox 1.5, though I am not sure those instructions work with hoary.
[05:56] <stbrenner> anyone know why kde players won't play mp3s?
[05:56] <AaronMT> I just installed dapper and reading these *possibly outdated* guides for XGL and seeing these hundreds of commands are confusing and overwhemling
[05:56] <freakabcd> AaronMT, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148351
[05:56] <AaronMT> Let me have a look
[05:56] <DarkMageZ> !tell stbrenner about restrictedformats
[05:56] <nickrud> stbrenner, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats hs the details on mp3's for kde
[05:56] <ic56> oxez: you might want to boot in memtest on that p3.  Maybe some of the RAM is bad.
[05:56] <Geoffrey2> well, I think I can rule out a complete switchover to Ubuntu for the time being...
[05:56] <neeto> cge: Is there an easy way to upgrade kernels from inside ubuntu?
[05:56] <cge> AaronMT: That is how XGL is right now - confusing and overwhelming.
[05:56] <intelikey> stbrenner http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:56] <Flannel> AaronMT: XGL guides aren't that crazy.  But, XGL is NOT SUPPORTED in dapper.
[05:56] <stbrenner> is it any diff from Gnome?
[05:57] <nickrud> stbrenner, yes
[05:57] <stbrenner> could i use a KDE player in GNOME?
[05:57] <Flannel> AaronMT: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=916 that one does a pretty good job of explaining and walking through.  and isn't really anything difficult, at that.
[05:57] <oxez> ic56: ok I'll try :o
[05:57] <oxez> thanks
[05:57] <nickrud> stbrenner, yes
[05:57] <stbrenner> w00t!
[05:57] <ic56> oxez: yw
[05:57] <cge> neeto: You mean upgrading the distribution, right? Try /msg ubotu upgrade for information about doing so.
[05:57] <intelikey> or a gnome player in kde for that matter
[05:57] <freakabcd> AaronMT, the links on the first post are updated and those other threads are updated quite regularly
[05:57] <neeto> cge: yeah, thanks
[05:58] <nickrud> as long as they point at a decent alsa config, anyway
[05:58] <freakabcd> Flannel, i would recommend the thread i just mentioned.
[05:58] <freakabcd> it is better iirc and more up to date
[05:58] <Flannel> neeto: remember you have to go hoary -> breezy -> dapper.  you can't go straight to dapper
[05:58] <pvangarde> hey! does anyone know a good PC-to-PC talking program (over the mic)
[05:58] <intelikey> nickrud when is the last time you saw one of those ?
[05:58] <dr_willis> pvangarde,  depends on how many ya want to chat to at the same time.
[05:59] <pvangarde> dr_willis 1
[05:59] <nickrud> intelikey, for the last 4 years. I buy supported cards, or intel :)
[05:59] <intelikey> :)
[05:59] <pvangarde> dr_willis: it needs to run on ubuntu and windows is the second requirement
[06:00] <alth> pvangarde: Skype?
[06:01] <pvangarde> alth: no, doesnt work well... too much lag
[06:01] <intelikey> pvangarde apt-cache search talk
[06:01] <alth> pvangarde: Then most things will probably lag.
[06:01] <us> Im getting an error starting X,.. "mkdtmp: private socketdir: Permission denied" every time, any ideas how to fix?
[06:01] <Anonycat> I have a wireless PC card in a laptop, and ndiswrapper installed, but the only interface that shows up is ppp0.  How can I add a wlan0 interface to the list that appears in network-admin?
[06:02] <nickrud> pvangarde, ekiga is the suggested app (in the menu anyway).
[06:02] <KuLover> Anyone here install firefox from source that might know what im talking about?
[06:02] <krazykit> KuLover: maybe
[06:02] <nickrud> KuLover, I did that once or twice. What are we talking about?
[06:02] <pvangarde> nickrud: ekiga doesnt work in windows
[06:02] <intelikey> us remove the existing one ?
[06:03] <pvangarde> alth: its about the encoding of the sound, not about the program itself, and skype isnt the best PC-to-PC app for that.
[06:03] <nickrud> pvangarde, well, the voice thing is pretty new from my perspective. I'm not suprised it's not working well
[06:03] <zach> does anyone know where AMSN installs to....i want to install differnt skisn
[06:03] <KuLover> nickrud and krazykit, when trying to open firefox in the terminal, it asks for libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.  :P
[06:04] <pvangarde> id install a windows program only if wine ever worked
[06:04] <zach> well i installed with apt get
[06:04] <dr_willis> zach,  thers no one defacto 'program directory'
[06:04] <intelikey> us socket or dir of file or what ever that is.... i don't read that language...
[06:05] <G8trBait> pvangarde: I use it for mIRC, love it :)
[06:05] <nickrud> KuLover, libgtk2.0-0 contains that file
[06:05] <dr_willis> zach,  it depends on the app.  - synaptic can tell you what files got installed where.
[06:05] <intelikey> us maybe sudo rm $HOME/.*auth*
[06:05] <KuLover> nickrud, I have that installed, might it be different for 64bit users? I thought it was that one to, it worksed on my 32bit setup.
[06:05] <valehru2> Hey guys
[06:06] <Surfnmate> bbl guys
[06:06] <Surfnmate> keep ubunting
[06:06] <Vaske_Car> I used sudo kill `cat /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid` but it say permission danied
[06:06] <nickrud> KuLover, but you probably need the dev file during compilation: libgtk2.0-dev
[06:06] <us> thanks, will give it a go
[06:06] <valehru2> Any volunters that could test my FTP server?
[06:06] <valehru2> just check to see if you can access it?
[06:06] <nickrud> KuLover, oh, 64bit.
[06:06] <valehru2> ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>:21
[06:07] <nickrud> KuLover, I haven't compiled anything in 64 bit
[06:07] <ic56> valehru2: sure
[06:07] <valehru2> ok..
[06:07] <valehru2> thanks
[06:07] <KuLover> nickrud, I think firefox is already compiled, it just needs the dev files to open.
[06:07] <nickrud> dev files to compile, lib files to run KuLover
[06:08] <jkernsjr> valehru: wanted password for anonymous?
[06:08] <valehru2> is anon login enabled?
[06:08] <ic56> valehru2: Your ftp server gave me a prompt.  It did not accept anonymous login.
[06:08] <valehru2> ok thats fine
[06:08] <jkernsjr> valehru2: that would be on your side
[06:08] <valehru2> didnt want anon connections
[06:09] <jkernsjr> valehru2: then you would have to provide username/passwords
[06:09] <gavagai> i just installed ubuntu, and my resolution is 800x600.  i went to the preferences, screen resolution menu, but it doesn't list any drop-down options to change the resolution
[06:09] <zach> ok how do i move folders around in bash? i need root to put folders wehre i need them....
[06:09] <dr_willis> !fixres
[06:09] <ubotu> Help to fix the display resolution is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:09] <gavagai> thanks
[06:09] <valehru2> yeah.....just checked to make sure that it wasnt enabled......thanks jkernsjr
[06:09] <Mysta> hello why would easyubuntu install another kernel?\
[06:10] <bigredradio> Anyone have a lead on a fast mirror. All the mirrirs I have tried are going to take 12 hours.
[06:10] <eigenlambda> zach: mv?
[06:10] <JunK-Y> zach: man mv
[06:10] <ic56> valehru2: also low timeout.  closed teh connection before I did.  Said the timeout was 120 seconds
[06:10] <valehru2> too low?
[06:10] <zach> ok so i need to move a folder into another folder
[06:10] <JunK-Y> or use cp.
[06:10] <zach> can you give me a example
[06:10] <Anonycat> I have a wireless PC card in a laptop, and ndiswrapper installed, but the only interface that shows up is ppp0.  How can I add a wlan0 interface to the list that appears in network-admin?
[06:11] <Crazy_Man> I updated my media server to dapper...it had a dual display (secondary monitor as tv)...it's not displaying anything on the TV now...any ideas?
[06:11] <valehru2> login timeout: 300 idle timeout: 120
[06:11] <intelikey> zach what part of   man mv   did you not understand ?
[06:11] <Crazy_Man> I'm running an nvidia card with the latest drivers
[06:11] <zach> i didnt understand it
[06:11] <ic56> valehru2: hey, it's your server.  Too low for my taste, but if you make it long, nasties could take advantage of you.
[06:11] <Crazy_Man> for some reason, it can't find the TV display...
[06:11] <valehru2> thats what I was thinking....
[06:11] <Crazy_Man> and I can't figure out why, since xorg.conf is exactly the same
[06:12] <disinterested_pe> the second one in usa downloads fast
[06:12] <zach> man mv what?  sudo man mv folder       um what?
[06:12] <intelikey> zach    mv [OPTION]  SOURCE DIRECTORY
[06:12] <valehru2> ic56, its only for my own use, pretty nifty off the shell
[06:12] <valehru2> tis fast enough for me
[06:12] <zach> but i dont under stand where to i set the source....i
[06:12] <ic56> valehru2: makes sense. ttyl!
[06:12] <intelikey> zach type   man mv     in the terminal
[06:12] <sn00p> Whats the flash plugin for ubuntu for dapper drake?
[06:13] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> does anyone know of a cd that has packages on it?
[06:13] <Ademan> what repository is libdvdcss in again?
[06:13] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> I need a cd that has packages for my computer with no internet
[06:13] <intelikey> zach "<zach> but i dont under stand where to i set the source....i"  <---  are you saying you want to move a folder but you don't know what folder ?
[06:13] <Geoffrey2> well, I need to use this computer wirelessly for a while, so I guess it's back to Windows......
[06:13] <bohdan> Hi, does anyone know of any extra repositiories i can add for dapper? i have all the multi and universe ones already
[06:14] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> anyone know where i can d/l a cd with new stuff
[06:14] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> for my computer with no net
[06:14] <sn00p> !info flash plugin
[06:14] <zach> no ok i have a folder on desktop that i want moved to /usr/share/amsn/skins
[06:14] <bohdan> Geoffreny2: no wireless in nix?
[06:14] <Ademan> [CC] Impsy`AO`OUT: isnt htere a dvd iso?
[06:14] <dr_willis> !easysource
[06:14] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:14] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Ademan: im looking
[06:14] <sn00p> !info mozilla-flashplugin
[06:14] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Ademan: cant find
[06:14] <ic56> intelikey: :-D
[06:15] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> hey
[06:15] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> i need it for xubuntu
[06:15] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> do i just pick on that list
[06:15] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> dapper/
[06:15] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> or somethign
[06:15] <Geoffrey2> it's on onboard wifi card...I managed to get it up and running ....but since I restarted I can't get wireless back
[06:15] <intelikey> zach so sudo mv Desktop/<blah> /usr/share/amsn/skins
[06:15] <hedrek> amarok/rhythmbox won't play my smbfs mounted mp3s, but xmms can just fine.. anyone else using smbfs to mount their mp3s and using amarok or rhythmbox?
[06:15] <zach> thanks lol
[06:16] <intelikey> there is nothing hard about that.    mv source destination
[06:16] <intelikey> there is nothing hard about that.    cp source destination
[06:16] <bohdan> Geoffrey2: wat model
[06:16] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> i need to get this stuff on a cd..
[06:16] <zach> i didnt relize it was just a space between source and dest.
[06:16] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> where can i get a cd full of stuff.
[06:16] <Geoffrey2> Broadcom 1470
[06:17] <Mysta> i have a core duo processor and nvidia drivers, and tried to have easyubuntu install the nvidia drivers, and it installed the K7 smp package. now if i try and uninstall K7 SMP, it'll uninstall nvidia-glx
[06:17] <Mysta> any ideas why?
[06:17] <chris_-> does DBO come in here these days?
[06:17] <bohdan> Geoffrey2: u usin ubuntu right?
[06:17] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> where can i get a cd full of stuff.
[06:17] <ic56> zach: it's the same way on the Windows command line.
[06:17] <krazykit> Mysta: no, but you shouldn't use that kernel.
[06:17] <zach> ive only been using linux for about 3 days..... :)..... i never used windows command line
[06:17] <Geoffrey2> bohdan: Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake
[06:17] <pvd> Is 64bit ubuntu pretty stable now, besides the flash and java problem, and will you notice any speed increase overall?
[06:17] <intelikey> zach yeah those .... in the manual are odd to say the least
[06:17] <chris_-> DBO ....???
[06:17] <CrashProne> Ridiculously newbie question.  I accidentally wiped my system tray off the bar in GNOME, and can't seem to find what applet it is to put it back. ^^;; what is it/how do I put it back?
[06:18] <krazykit> notification area, CrashProne
[06:18] <bohdan> Geoffrey2: you usin any encryption on ur access point?
[06:18] <nickrud> Mysta, I'd say let it and reinstall, but krazykit is getting a bit more detailed
[06:18] <CrashProne> Notification area then, righto
[06:18] <Geoffrey2> yes, WEP
[06:18] <chris_-> is dapper drake stable now?
[06:18] <nickrud> chris_, it's released, yes
[06:18] <bohdan> Geoffrey2: ok, so wat does it do? or not do lol when you try to connected to the accesspoint?
[06:19] <Mysta> nickrud: let what reinstall?
[06:19] <krazykit> Mysta: well, yes, make sure to use a 386 or 686 kernel, preferably with SMP.  then just follow the nvidia guide on the wiki.  that would be most correct.
[06:19] <chris_-> nickrud , i dont want to upgrade becausa of my settings ? :/
[06:19] <ic56> chris_-: you could try leaving a message for DBO.  /msg memoserv send DBO <blab>
[06:19] <nickrud> Mysta, see krazykit above
[06:19] <krazykit> chris_-: you can upgrade without losing your settings
[06:19] <nickrud> chris_, ?
[06:19] <chris_-> can you clone your hard drive in ubuntu?
[06:19] <us> intelikey - just to let you know how I fixed my socket problem, turns out all users needed write access to the tmp dir
[06:20] <nickrud> chris_, sure. There's some details to take care of, but yes.
[06:20] <intelikey> us yes they do.   /tmp needs 777
[06:21] <krazykit> intelikey: err, i don't think /tmp needs execute perms...
[06:21] <chris_->  /msg memoserv send DBO How are you doing its Chris tha apache guy you helped with :P  and smaba!! umm just saying hi and pass you a cup of coffee!!
[06:21] <intelikey> krazykit hehhe all dirs need exec
[06:21] <chris_-> lol did i send it?
[06:21] <Disorder> Nice...
[06:21] <nickrud> chris_, no, leave out the space at the start ...
[06:21] <Disorder> Really...
[06:21] <ic56> us: make sure you chmod 1777 /tmp  The leading 1 is important for security reasons.
[06:21] <Rukia|Linux> /nick /nick Rukia
[06:21] <chris_-> ha :X
[06:22] <chris_-> not registered
[06:22] <Rukia> bah
[06:22] <chris_-> ok well thanks for the help guys
[06:22] <Rukia> REgistered
[06:22] <chris_-> :)
[06:22] <Disorder> What would you guys said if im using windows right now =P ;)
[06:22] <Geoffrey2> before I shut down the computer, I was fully connected to the router...since I restarted the Network Manager icon only shows a Wired Network...going into Networking and disabling/re-enabling the wlan causes the connecting window to pop and and stay up for an extended period of time before the message displays that the interface is active...meaning it didnt connect to anything
[06:22] <chris_-> i ran mac os x on my dell laptop :P
[06:22] <Rukia> Wow
[06:22] <Rukia> Cool
[06:22] <chris_-> osx86 ;)
[06:22] <Rukia> gfy
[06:23] <chris_-> i met the pirate at the bay
[06:23] <intelikey> krazykit did ya check it out ?
[06:23] <Rukia> Eww Gaim
[06:23] <Disorder> Thats pretty weird Chris.
[06:23] <ic56> chris_-: you can find out when he last logged in with /msg nickserv info DBO
[06:23] <krazykit> intelikey: huh?  check what out
[06:23] <krazykit> chris_-: we don't condone piracy here
[06:23] <cyne> hello! i have my laptop running from the mains... but when my battery gets charged fully like now... the screen starts to flash in ubuntu and the whole system slows down as a result
[06:23] <intelikey> krazykit mkdir blah ;chmod 644 blah ;cd blah
[06:24] <Geoffrey2> iwconfig and, iflist I believe, both show the card as being present
[06:24] <MTecknology> cyne, my battery lasts about 20 minutes if I'm not doing anything on it :)
[06:24] <krazykit> intelikey: what are you on about?  i don't know what you're talking about.
 intelikey: err, i don't think /tmp needs execute perms... <---<intelikey> krazykit hehhe all dirs need exec <<--- that
[06:25] <cyne> is there a way to stop the flashing screen???
[06:25] <ESPOiG> im getting no reply from #fedora, so does anyone know how to copy the folder /usr/share/icons/ from FC5 cuz even with root access it keeps erroring :@
[06:25] <ESPOiG> :S
[06:25] <krazykit> intelikey: no, all dirs don't need exec.  lots of them don't.  /etc,/var,/dev,/proc
[06:25] <Disorder> Damn, This is insane.
[06:26] <maddy> apps are crashin  :(  u get this ?
[06:26] <adrigen> hello...
[06:26] <nickrud> cyne, the laptop people probably want to know about that. Hardware types, that kind of thing
[06:26] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> so does anyone know of a cd that is loaded with software
[06:26] <adrigen> i have a question which I think should be simpl
[06:26] <Disorder> What kind?
[06:26] <adrigen> e but im stuck...
[06:26] <cyne> nickrud: how do i tell them?
[06:26] <intelikey> krazykit if you think so just chmod them and take away the exec from them ....  hehhe
[06:26] <cdubya> could someone running xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop possibly give me a copy of your menu.xml file for the applications menu.....somehow, when I tried to edit it, it decided to delete all the entries and I can't seem to get it to save anything when I do an edit.
[06:26] <adrigen> how do I install a "binary"?
[06:26] <Disorder> Impsy, What kind?
[06:26] <jkernsjr> ESPOiG: what ikd of error?
[06:26] <krazykit> intelikey: i'd rather not.
[06:27] <jkernsjr> ESPOiG: kind
[06:27] <intelikey> :)
[06:27] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Disorder, what do you mean?
[06:27] <ic56> krazykit: you are wrong.  Without the execute bit, you cannot descend into a directory.  You only need read permission to see the contents but you need execute perm to *access* a directory's contents.  Try it.
[06:27] <nickrud> cyne, start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting
[06:27] <cyne> nickrud.. i believe the flashing has a purpose... it informs me that the battery is fully charged and i'm running from aus] xillary power
[06:27] <JerKB> adrigen: if it's a deb, use dpkg -i <filename>
[06:27] <Disorder> Impsy, What type of programs? Like for what purpose?
[06:27] <blaze> can somebody tell me how to install drivers for my video card: Integrated in VIA VN800 with UniChrome Pro 3D/2D up to 64 MB;
[06:28] <krazykit> huh, how 'bout that.
[06:28] <nickrud> cyne, I don't use a laptop, but I probably will. If you get that sorted, I won't have to think about it :)
[06:28] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Disorder, just programs like video and music playback software, and alot of games.
[06:28] <adrigen> JerKB: so i dont uncompress it first?
[06:28] <Disorder> Ah, recreation progs.
[06:28] <JerKB> adrigen: nope, dpkg takes care of that.
[06:29] <Disorder> Sorry, Dont really have any.
[06:29] <ic56> krazykit: on directories, the X bit was reused as the "search bit".  Think of it as operator overloading.
[06:29] <kpdawg> join #sane
[06:29] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Disorder, but i would like to load up with anything.
[06:29] <kpdawg> #sane
[06:29] <Disorder> I have mostly Wireless progs.
[06:29] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> well disorder is there a cd around.
[06:29] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> im looking for an already made iso cd
[06:29] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> that has software on it
[06:29] <krazykit> ic56: huh.  that's an interesting way of doing it.
[06:29] <Disorder> I dont think, I kind of put some of my progs on it.
[06:30] <Disorder> Like the ones I use commonly.
[06:30] <toshi> Problem with nvidia installation. gl.h is NOT in /usr/include/GL or /usr/X11/include/GL where it should be. It is only in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx-dev/include/GL/gl.h
[06:30] <Flannel> [CC] Impsy|NH: get a DVD : http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/dvd/
[06:30] <toshi> This is on Dapper
[06:30] <intelikey> if you can't exec a dir you can't access anything in them.  you can ls them if you can read them  but no access.
[06:30] <maddy> i get pps crashing on dapper like hell
[06:30] <maddy> apps
[06:31] <maddy> and the whole x hoses
[06:31] <maddy> sometimes
[06:31] <toshi> is there a clean way to solve this gl.h problem? like reinstalling the nvidia modules?
[06:31] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> whats on the dvd flannel
[06:31] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> and how big would it be, i Have A CD
[06:31] <adrigen> JerKB: "dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[06:31] <adrigen> "??
[06:31] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> not a dvd :p
[06:31] <Flannel> [CC] Impsy|NH: more programs.  If you only have a CD, you can't use a DVD.
[06:31] <Disorder> Linux isnt really my main OS, I use Linux solely for wardriving.
[06:31] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> omg damn
[06:31] <intelikey> adrigen sudo
[06:31] <Hivemind> Hey everyone!
[06:31] <JerKB> adrigen: oops, put sudo in front of it.  sudo dpkg -i <filename>
[06:32] <Geoffrey2> well, I'm throwing in the towel for now....I'll post a message on ubuntuforums and see if anyone has an answer on how to get my wireless back...it's kind of pointless to have a portable computer which can't network unless it's hard wired :)
[06:32] <intelikey> !root
[06:32] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:32] <ic56> intelikey, krazykit: note that "ls -l" entails accessing the file's inode to lookup the file's perms, datestamps, etc.  Thus, "ls -l" on a directory that lacks search bit gives you the list of files and incongruously complains that teh files don't exist :-)
[06:32] <thomasM> hey guys, just wondering if that problem with HAL ubuntu had with NJB mp3 players got fixed for dapper. Anybody know?
[06:32] <Hivemind> I need a little bit of help. I just downloaded the .iso for Dapper, burned it to a CD and booted. Did I download a Live CD?!
[06:32] <intelikey> ic56 si
[06:32] <Anonycat> I have a wireless PC card in a laptop, and ndiswrapper installed, but the only interface that shows up is ppp0.  How can I add a wlan0 interface to the list that appears in network-admin?
[06:32] <Hivemind> I was expected something else when I clicked "Start or Install Ubuntu"...
[06:33] <JerKB> Hivemind: it's a live and install cd, both.
[06:33] <intelikey> ?--------- ? ? ? ?            ? blah/bob
[06:33] <krazykit> ic56: that makes sense, then.  i'd expect it to have to hit the inode for that stuff.
[06:33] <Flannel> Hivemind: which iso did you download?
[06:33] <Hivemind> JerKB: Ah!
[06:33] <ic56> krazykit: exactly.
[06:34] <Hivemind> Flannel: An x86 one that was not marked with "Alternate"
[06:34] <Flannel> Hivemind: right, the LiveCD (desktop) is an installer.
[06:34] <ic56> krazykit: correction.  The error message is: ls: <filename>: Permission denied
[06:34] <pvd> ati cards work fine if you just use the generic open source driver right
[06:34] <intelikey> one can chmod 001 /*bin     and exec all commands in it  but tab-completion of the command name is hosed
[06:34] <krazykit> pvd: they work ok.
[06:35] <pvd> what do you mean?
[06:35] <pvd> we dont need 3d accelerated graphics
[06:35] <krazykit> pvd: on newer cards you won't have 3d
[06:35] <intelikey> ic56 ^
[06:35] <Hivemind> Flannel: Oh! Well then. It's a little inconvenient because my resolution is stuck at 640x800...
[06:35] <thomasM> anybody here use an Creative/Dell music player?
[06:35] <krazykit> pvd: oh, then you should be fine
[06:35] <pvd> yeah, dont need 3d acceleration
[06:35] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> OMG how can i get Banshee on my internetless computeR!
[06:35] <pvd> cool
[06:35] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> why dont they have a downloads section!
[06:35] <Hivemind> I'll go poke around and figure out what I'm supposed to be doing. Thanks a lot for clearing that up.
[06:35] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> why cant i just download and install! bah this is making me go crazy
[06:35] <Flannel> !tell Hivemind about resolution
[06:35] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: because then you'd be running windows
[06:36] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: you need the dependencies.  that's how it is
[06:36] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> wow
[06:36] <pvangarde> somehow my hibernate now works fine with nvidia drivers on version 6.06
[06:36] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> isnt there a way to d/l banshee
[06:36] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> and install it manually
[06:36] <Disorder> And thats what Linux lacks(coughsuckscough) at.
[06:36] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: yes, but you have to track down all the depencies, too
[06:36] <ic56> intelikey: right.  with search perm but no read perm on a directory, you can access the contents but you can't see it.  You can use to create rudimentary password protection: create a directory w/ 644, containing another directory whose name acts as the password. Put all the files under that.
[06:36] <intelikey> ic56 i have one box with almost all dirs set to 001  interesting to use btw.
[06:36] <JerKB> Impsy, go to the repository and download the .debs but you'll need to get all the dependant pkgs too.
[06:37] <cdubya> anyone running xfce that wouldn't mind helping me figure out how to get the xfce menu back......?
[06:37] <chris_> what is this dbo stuff about?
[06:37] <thomasM> nobody has any clue about HAL not setting correct permissions for NJB mp3 players or whether or not it has been fixed?
[06:37] <krazykit> Disorder: the benefits outweight the drawbacks, in this regard.
[06:37] <JerKB> cdubya: did you try running update-menus  from a terminal?
[06:38] <JerKB> it's not quite the default menu but it should put all your apps in there.
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> intelikey: Sometimes I think you just set up weird configurations to be different and see if they're possible.
[06:38] <ic56> chris: dbo stuff?  You the guy who goes by the nickname DBO?
[06:38] <thomasM> !tell thomasM about njb
[06:38] <Anonycat> I have a wireless PC card in a laptop, and ndiswrapper installed, but the only interface that shows up is ppp0.  How can I add a wlan0 interface to the list that appears in network-admin?
[06:38] <pvangarde> does gnome group tasks into single bars by default?
[06:38] <AngryElf> so -- everytime I've installed mythTV I've had to re-link the freetype6 libraries up because they're not linked correctly within themselves ( has nothing to do with myth ).....would this be considered a bug?
[06:38] <ic56> chris: dbo stuff?  You (mean) the guy who goes by the nickname DBO?
[06:39] <intelikey> tonyyarusso some times you are smarter than the avarage bear
[06:39] <intelikey> :)
[06:39] <krazykit> AngryElf: certainly would, yes
[06:39] <Cornellius> Can I add a Debian repository ? I mean, will debs. made for Debian will work on Ubuntu ? Some of the ?
[06:39] <nickrud> pvangarde, not to start with, but if the same task has a lot of instances, it will start to group them
[06:39] <Hexidigital_> Anonycat:: what type of wireless chipset?
[06:39] <schwal> i had to install via oem mode, now i cant figureout how to restart out of it
[06:39] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> so i can build banshee from its source?
[06:39] <krazykit> Cornellius: i don't think we're binary compatible anymore
[06:39] <Hexidigital_> Cornellius:: yes, (most) of them will work
[06:39] <nickrud> Cornellius, not reliably
[06:39] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> because i dont see any .deb files or anything
[06:40] <dyclops> er irc.nullus.net
[06:40] <Cornellius> errr
[06:40] <Anonycat> it's a Linksys WPC54G, driver lsbcmnds.sys
[06:40] <Hexidigital_> krazykit:: i havent' had many problems
[06:40] <Cornellius> 3 different answers !
[06:40] <adrigen> JerKB: I get "sudo dpkg -i Home/downloaded/ConsultComm-3.1.1.zip
[06:40] <adrigen> dpkg: error processing Home/downloaded/ConsultComm-3.1.1.zip (--install):
[06:40] <adrigen>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[06:40] <adrigen> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:40] <adrigen>  Home/downloaded/ConsultComm-3.1.1.zip
[06:40] <adrigen> "
[06:40] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> so i can build banshee from its source?
[06:40] <krazykit> Hexidigital_: but many others have
[06:40] <nickrud> Cornellius, no, just ways of saying the same thing. not got
[06:40] <Hexidigital_> Anonycat:: sorry... if it was a broadcom, i might be able to help
[06:40] <thomasM> [CC] Impsy`AO`OUT: if you have all of the prerequesites
[06:40] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: if you get all the build dependencies
[06:40] <Hexidigital_> krazykit:: ah, wasn't aware of that
[06:40] <JerKB> adrigen:  err... ok if it's a .zip you'll have to extract that, yes.  Then look for a file possibly with a .bin extention.
[06:40] <Hexidigital_> Cornellius:: i retract my statement
[06:40] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> well it shows me the list of dependencies, all i have to do is get them as well?
[06:40] <freakabcd> adrigen, err.. you don't install zip files using dpkg!
[06:41] <krazykit> Hexidigital_: it's a problem especially if you start installing libs.  apps will often work, for now
[06:41] <schwal> anyone know how to exit oem mode?
[06:41] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: yes, and the -dev headers.
[06:41] <Cornellius> Why is Opera classed in non-free ?
[06:41] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> hmm lol
[06:41] <Cornellius> Isn't Opera free now ?
[06:41] <JerKB> adrigen: if nothing else there's usually a README file
[06:41] <krazykit> Cornellius: because it's not open source
[06:41] <schwal> not open source
[06:41] <pvd> whats a good filing system to use. My friend wants to experiment with speed, Ive heard ReiserFs and XFS were the fastest, but are they stable?
[06:41] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> i could try lol
[06:41] <intelikey> schwal oem mode ?
[06:41] <Cornellius> Ah, ok
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> Cornellius: Some times they work.  That said, it is most definitely not recommended.  Always make sure there isn't an Ubuntu package first.  If not, you can either build from source, or cross your fingers and try the Debian ones.
[06:41] <schwal> oem install via alt. cd
[06:41] <freakabcd> Cornellius, its free as in beer, not free as in speech
[06:41] <Cornellius> Ok
[06:41] <krazykit> pvd: reiserfs is pretty stable, it's mainline.  reiser4 is considered unstable, and i dunno about xfs
[06:42] <Ar2No> how to upgrade from ubuntu 5.10 to 6.06 ?
[06:42] <pvd> krazykit, so will you notice any difference in speed ?
[06:42] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> so the basic dependencies for banshee.
[06:42] <thomasM> k so nobody has any clue about njb okay.
[06:42] <krazykit> pvd: only if you work with small files a lot
[06:42] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> do i also need to get the dependencies for the dependencies
[06:42] <JerKB> !upgrade
[06:42] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development verison: (eft when its open)
[06:42] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: yes
[06:42] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> do i also need to get the dependencies for the dependencies
[06:42] <pvangarde> i have a question: do software packages for debian work fine in ubuntu? say skype is offered for debian (in a deb) file. will that work if i run it on ubuntu
[06:42] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> OmG
[06:42] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Doesnt the list just never end?
[06:42] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: nope.
[06:42] <schmity> I <3 _______\
[06:43] <Cornellius> I don't remember on which repository Frostwire was
[06:43] <freakabcd> ubotu, tell pvangarde about skype
[06:43] <deleted> oh, yeah, dapper upgrade is in progress
[06:43] <Cornellius> Nice Limewire alternative by the way.
[06:43] <Flannel> pvangarde: no, they're not binary compatible.
[06:43] <schwal> pvangarde: skype has a ubuntu build
[06:43] <intelikey> pvangarde some will, some wont, some will break things.
[06:43] <meatpuppet> Hello folks
[06:43] <Flannel> !tell pvangarde about skype
[06:43] <krazykit> Cornellius: it's not in a repo.  you can download it from their site.
[06:43] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> lol doesnt matter right now anyways
[06:43] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> my sound isnt working
[06:43] <Hexidigital_> krazykit:: not to go back to the debian/ubuntu thing, but are you aware of any debian users backported into ubuntu repos having problems?
[06:43] <nickrud> [CC] Impsy`AO`OUT, yes it does. But if you just apt-get it from the repos, you don't need to know the dependencies
[06:43] <DaveyJ> damn
[06:43] <DaveyJ> the omen sucked
[06:44] <Hexidigital_> DaveyJ:: that is off topic
[06:44] <Cornellius> As I read, Backdoor = Not fully tested ?
[06:44] <Hexidigital_> DaveyJ:: #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:44] <DaveyJ> sorry
[06:44] <Cornellius> DaveyJ: Nowdays horror movies sucks
[06:44] <schwal> anyone have any idea how to exit the oem mode after install?
[06:44] <deleted> is it bad to be running other stuff while apt-get dist-upgrade is running?
[06:44] <freakabcd> who is the guy who said '...can't get out of oem mode' a while back?
[06:44] <Hexidigital_> Cornellius:: backports are not supported
[06:44] <RancidLM> hey all .. sorta off topic.. im interested in setting up a vpn but can any one point me in the right location for tools i should use? im looking for a easy to use gnome gui for the vpn client
[06:44] <freakabcd> oh he..
[06:44] <Cornellius> Poltergeist, Shinning anyone ?
[06:44] <schwal> freakabcd: me
[06:44] <freakabcd> schwal, what the heck do you mean by oem mode?
[06:44] <deleted> like, i dunno, x-chat, gaim and firefox?
[06:44] <paul_> In everyone opinion which is the better player? rhythmbox or banshee?
[06:44] <krazykit> Hexidigital_: you mean debian -> ubuntu?  i've heard of people doing it and going from ubuntu to debian, but they have to do some seriously nasty hacking.  i think there was a supported upgrade path from sarge to the first release of ubuntu though.
[06:44] <intelikey> pvangarde if you like the exitement of not knowing if the system is going to work ok or crash and take everything on your hd with it... use them.  and make a list of what will work...
[06:44] <DaveyJ> now... to get multiple monitors working with xgl :)
[06:44] <AngryElf> "An error has occured" -- well if i can't report a bug, and don't know why not that's a big :(
[06:45] <ic56> !vpn
[06:45] <ubotu> vpn is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[06:45] <ESPOiG> jkernsjr: the error was ..... Internal Error
[06:45] <JerKB> deleted: you should be fine.  might slow it down a bit but that's all.
[06:45] <meatpuppet> I've hit a bit of a problem.  I can install all of Ubuntu 6.06 but when I try to boot it I get GRUB error 17.  I have a 40mb /boot (ext2), a 4 GB swap and a 100gb / (ext3) partition.
[06:45] <schwal> i did an oem install, and you have to do a command line reboot to exit to normal setup
[06:45] <JerKB> I had all kinds of stuff running when I upgraded.
[06:45] <Flannel> freakabcd: oem mode is on the alternate install, for people installing OEM.
[06:45] <deleted> JefkB: cool.  thanks
[06:45] <Hexidigital_> krazykit:: no, one user was in here earlier last week who was running debian with backports to ubuntu repos... he was considering switching to ubuntu
[06:45] <schwal> but i forgot the parameters
[06:45] <DaveyJ> i dont even know if its possible lol
[06:45] <meatpuppet> I tried ReiserFS and the same error occured.  I am using SATA hard drives
[06:45] <paul_> Also another opinion needed. Which is the best all around programmers editor out there?
[06:45] <freakabcd> schwal, parameters for what?
[06:45] <intelikey> schwal command line reboot    init 6
[06:45] <meatpuppet> Has anyone got any suggestions?
[06:45] <jkernsjr> ESPOiG: ask me the question again..been so long i forgot
[06:45] <Ar2No> can somebody help me... I just installed dapper drake into my pc and I cannot access internet.. but I can access network resources. that is weird.. can you help me?
[06:45] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> lol i ask for a cd with software on it on the forums and i get posts on how i can get internet.. lol
[06:46] <Hexidigital_> krazykit:: oh, sorry.. replied before i fully read the last part about sarge
[06:46] <JerKB> Ar2No: System>Administration>Networking
[06:46] <schwal> parameters for the reboot that exits oem mode
[06:46] <Cornellius> Well, I have Ubuntu for whatever and PCBSD for work and firewall.
[06:46] <RancidLM> thnx ic56
[06:46] <Ar2No> JerKB, yes I done that already
[06:46] <nickrud> schwal, I think you need the command oem-config ?
[06:46] <ic56> RancidLM: yw -- hope it's helpful.
[06:46] <freakabcd> schwal, i have no experience with this 'oem mode'
[06:46] <cdubya> JerKB, thanks, that was it.....
[06:46] <JerKB> cdubya: welcome
[06:46] <chris_> krazykit: piracy? huh?
[06:47] <krazykit> Hexidigital_: see, the problem is compilers.  gcc sometimes is not compatible with other versions of itself.  as such, you run into troubles with stuff compiled with different versions.  also, stuff is compiled against different library versions, also causing breakage or unknown crappiness
[06:47] <ESPOiG> jkernsjr: soz... the q was : i tried to copy the folder /usr/share/icons/ on fc5 but i got that error it started copying even wen runnin as root... i also tried command line copy and resetin permissions but it still wont let me copy them?
[06:47] <krazykit> chris_: it was long ago.  forget it
[06:47] <intelikey> schwal also useful as command line reboot      shutdown -t1 -a -r now          or even     halt
[06:47] <Hexidigital_> krazykit:: i see... thanks for explaining :)
[06:47] <krazykit> Hexidigital_: yep :-D
[06:47] <schwal> nickrud: not it
[06:47] <chris_> krazykit: I'm just coming back to irc from playing settlers for 4 hours... some dude was messaging me about dbo somebody. trying to figure it out.
[06:47] <krazykit> Hexidigital_: so in short, using debian repositories/debs is a crapshoot.
[06:47] <schwal> it's not just a reboot, theres more to it
[06:48] <JerKB> Ar2No: what kind of internet service do you have?
[06:48] <Sewage> I already asked in #Kubuntu, no answer. so I want to see if anyone here knows how to :  Configure individual folders in Konqueror,  since Kubuntu apparently removed some features from the normal Konqueror
[06:48] <nickrud> schwal, well, it worked once on an oem install, had to try
[06:48] <jkernsjr> ESPOiG: your trying to copy the whole directory? and to where?
[06:48] <freakabcd> Sewage, why not ask #kde ?
[06:48] <Sewage> I did
[06:48] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+del
[06:48] <freakabcd> Sewage, and what did they say?
[06:48] <morphex> which package should i install to have the service command available?
[06:49] <Sewage> that Kubuntu KDE is modified
[06:49] <Ar2No> internet service ??
[06:49] <Sewage> and Im missing features that they have
[06:49] <ESPOiG> jkernsjr: wereever.. it doesnt matter where i try to copy it it fails everytime
[06:49] <Ar2No> JerKB,  internet service ??
[06:49] <JerKB> Ar2No: dialup?  cable?  DSL?
[06:49] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> yo can anyone give me that link to the ATI help stuff.
[06:49] <freakabcd> Sewage, and what did #kubuntu say regarding the matter?
[06:49] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> !ati
[06:49] <ubotu> ati is, like, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html#installatidriver or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ... the radeon 9200 and below are supported by the open-source drivers
[06:49] <Kwong> hi there, i dont know why apt-cache just shows all info about kernel 2.4
[06:49] <ESPOiG> jkernsjr: and i have tried to copy individiual folder inside it as wel
[06:49] <pvd> is creative xfi supported by dapper by default
[06:49] <Sewage> freakabcd, nothing,   I asked twice, no answer yet
[06:49] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> help.
[06:49] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> i did this command : glxinfo | grep rendering
[06:49] <intelikey> Kwong cause it's not kernel  it's  linux
[06:49] <Sewage> freakabcd,  I figured people in here might install KDE as well
[06:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> and it came upw ith.
[06:50] <ic56> chris_: I think DBO's real name is Chris.  Maybe someone mistook you for him.
[06:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> i did this command : glxinfo | grep rendering
[06:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> and it came upw ith.
[06:50] <schwal> just use easy ubuntu for grafics installs
[06:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> direct rendering: Yes
[06:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> is this good?
[06:50] <freakabcd> Sewage, then maybe you have to wait a while longer? or maybe ask the kde folk what you have to do for the config thing. and check if it is really missing in your kde
[06:50] <krazykit> pvd: is that the really expensive sound card?  i don't think it's supported yet.
[06:50] <rixth> !file liblame.so
[06:50] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> is it good if it says Direct Rendering: Yes
[06:50] <chris_> ic56: oh. hehe. some guy messaged me asking me not to register my nick.
[06:50] <Ar2No> JerKB, ADSL
[06:50] <Sewage> freakabcd,  Im asking in here also, thx.  and yes , it IS missing something.  I showed them screenshots
[06:50] <pvd> so it wont work in ubuntu your saying?
[06:50] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: yeah, that's good.
[06:50] <IcemanV9> i installed ubuntu(-desktop). now, i wonder if kubuntu(-desktop) & xubuntu(-desktop) were installed, will i expect any problem?
[06:50] <jkernsjr> ESPOiG: if you become root..unless it is sticky bit set http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/hpux-faq/section-70.html
[06:51] <DaveyJ> how do i go about enabling xinerama
[06:51] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> krazykit: do ineed to install any drivers or anything?
[06:51] <chris_> ic56: which is hilarious because this isn't my nick. it's just my backup when i timeout and rejoin automagically.
[06:51] <Flannel> Sewage: you might try posting in the forums, you wont have to deal with dead periods were they're all asleep.
[06:51] <DaveyJ> or panaramix or whatever its called
[06:51] <krazykit> IcemanV9: no, not really
[06:51] <KuLover> Quick question, Im running the 64bit distro.. A lot of software I like is hard to get for 64bit arcatecture. I was thinking about installing 32bit dapper.. Would I experiance much performance loss?
[06:51] <Sewage> Flannel, lol
[06:51] <intelikey> Kwong if you want 2.4  apt-cache search kernel   if you want 2.6   apt-cache search linux
[06:51] <krazykit> [CC] Impsy|NH: if you're trying to get 3d accel going, it sounds like it's already there
[06:51] <Kwong> intelikey, i got it
[06:51] <Sewage> Flannel,  I wasnt impatient.  Just figured I'd ask here while waiting
[06:51] <intelikey> k
[06:51] <JerKB> Ar2No: Sorry, I've not used DSL before, not sure of specifics for ubuntu.  perhaps someone else here might know though.
[06:51] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> ahh asweet.
[06:51] <freakabcd> Sewage, if they say the features are missing, then maybe file a bug report or post to the dev list, etc.
[06:51] <freakabcd> i don't think theres anything else you can do
[06:51] <thomasM> KuLover definitely not, especially on a preconfigured distro like ubuntu.
[06:51] <Sewage> freakabcd, ok ty
[06:51] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> krazykit: thought i would have problems, i have ATI
[06:51] <Kwong> intelikey, thank you
[06:51] <intelikey> np
[06:52] <blaze> how can i get my kernel source in /usr/src/linux-2.6...
[06:52] <KuLover> Thanks so much thomasM! 32bit it is then.
[06:52] <blaze> oh.. i have it already.. sry
[06:52] <danfg> in xkb, where are dead keys defined?
[06:53] <danfg> i mean, the behavior of dead keys
[06:53] <krazykit> danfg: dead how?  like media keys?
[06:53] <eigenlambda> dead like compose key?
[06:53] <intelikey> danfg if you find an input expert i want the next question.....  :)
[06:54] <JerKB> deadkeys like accent marks?
[06:54] <adrigen> JerKB: sorry I missed your response if you gave one, but do you know what Im doing wrong by getting this:sudo dpkg -i Home/downloaded/ConsultComm-3.1.1.zip
[06:54] <adrigen> dpkg: error processing Home/downloaded/ConsultComm-3.1.1.zip (--install):
[06:54] <adrigen>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[06:54] <adrigen> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:54] <adrigen>  Home/downloaded/ConsultComm-3.1.1.zip
[06:54] <danfg> eigenlambda: yeah, compose keys
[06:54] <mnrdknn> my sound card isnt working.. what should I do}
[06:54] <JerKB> adrigen: a zip file isn't installed with dpkg, only .debs
[06:54] <freakabcd> adrigen, i told you earlier: you _cannot_ install .zip files using dpkg!
[06:55] <JerKB> adrigen: unzip the file and look for a README or INSTALL that will probably tell you what you need to do.
[06:55] <adrigen> oh... sorry i missed it.
[06:55] <danfg> eigenlambda: i'm assuming things like dead_cedilla and dead_acute are defined somewhere
[06:55] <freakabcd> adrigen, no problem. JerKB just gave you good advice about how to proceed
[06:55] <intelikey> hmmm x starts.  then x exits...  must not be any default wm defined
[06:56] <asdx> will we have new wifi stack, initng, xorg with aiglx for the next version of ubuntu?
[06:56] <JerKB> adrigen:  or check with the program's website to see if there are any installations instructions.
[06:56] <freakabcd> asdx, wait for #ubuntu+1 to open and ask then :)
[06:56] <danfg> JerKB: yeah, keys for accentuation
[06:56] <Xyc0> What are the system reqs for the newest ubuntu distro?
[06:56] <asdx> heh
[06:57] <asdx> Xyc0: I hope 3d windowing system with a kickass eyecandy for gnome, kde 4 in kubuntu, initng, and a new wifi stack
[06:57] <mnrdknn> how can i install my sound card?
[06:57] <adrigen> JerKB: frustratingly the readme/faq doesnt have installation instructions nor does the website
[06:57] <freakabcd> asdx, wifi stack: no clue, initng: i have no idea why its not here in dapper!!, xorg/aiglx/compiz: its already here
[06:57] <intelikey> Xyc0 80486 or higher 32m ram 400m hdd    :)
[06:57] <ic56> does anyone have filesystems other than cdrom and floppy mounted under /media ? can you look something up for me?
[06:57] <nickrud> Xyc0, 800mhz & 512 memor, I can't go any lower
[06:57] <Xyc0> intelikey: where can I look that up in the future?
[06:57] <h4v0k> hello all
[06:58] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> lol i could run it on my 350mhz
[06:58] <asdx> aiglx should replace xgl
[06:58] <krazykit> asdx: wifi stack?  maybe. initng?  doubt it.  aiglx?  probably not.  xgl/compiz by default?  unlikely.  kde4?  dpends on when it releases.
[06:58] <intelikey> right here.
[06:58] <h4v0k> total newb here
[06:58] <asdx> krazykit: why aiglx probably not?
[06:58] <JerKB> adrigen: /msg me a link to the website where you got the program and I'll take a look
[06:58] <ic56> intelikey: you talkin to me?
[06:58] <asdx> krazykit: is what everyone will be using
[06:58] <h4v0k> but finally got my ubuntu workin  \:D/
[06:58] <freakabcd> krazykit, aiglx+compiz+xorg is _working_ already on dapper
[06:58] <intelikey> Xyc0 the 32m ram the installer wont load in that.  it takes 64m
[06:59] <ic56> !justask
[06:59] <ubotu> - Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[06:59] <krazykit> asdx: as far as i know neither ati nor nvidia have released aiglx compatible drivers, unless i'm thinking of egl or something
[06:59] <freakabcd> krazykit, and why the hell not initng?
[06:59] <ElBrujo> hello
[06:59] <intelikey> ic56 no sorry.   i don't even have /media
[06:59] <krazykit> freakabcd: working, but not anywhere near stable.
[06:59] <freakabcd> cos the debian folk are not doing it?
[06:59] <freakabcd> thats not reason!
[06:59] <asdx> krazykit: nvidia will release their next driver with aiglx support
[06:59] <nickrud> Hey, ElBrujo
[06:59] <pvangarde> skype worked fine, why did i have to change the sound file? does anyone know?
[06:59] <intelikey> ic56 what are you interested in anyway ?
[06:59] <asdx> krazykit: and aiglx is on xorg already
[06:59] <asdx> krazykit: merged or something
[06:59] <Flannel> freakabcd: working, not supported.  And, because it came out too late in the development cycle to be added to dapper.
[06:59] <ElBrujo> somebody  know about xgl and compiz?
[06:59] <freakabcd> krazykit, what do you define as stable? aiglx+compiz+xorg that runs on an i810 for weeks without problems?
[07:00] <intelikey> ic56 i might be able to mount something
[07:00] <Flannel> freakabcd: it might be stable, it's not SUPPORTED
[07:00] <ElBrujo> i can't do compiz work
[07:00] <ic56> intelikey: what does file browser display under "Computer"?    Won't take long.
[07:01] <krazykit> freakabcd: i've not been following development all that closely, but has it hit beta yet?  i only recall it being pre-alpha last i checked
[07:01] <Xyc0> How much hard drive space should I give ubuntu?  I know I need atleast 1024mb for SWAP
[07:01] <asdx> and slow
[07:01] <Cornellius> Do we need an anti-virus on Linux ?
[07:01] <Flannel> Xyc0: you don't /need/ a gig for swap.
[07:02] <krazykit> Cornellius: not really
[07:02] <Xyc0> Flannel: really?
[07:02] <Anonycat> I have a wireless PC card in a laptop, and ndiswrapper installed, but the only interface that shows up is ppp0.  How can I add a wlan0 interface to the list that appears in network-admin?
[07:02] <nickrud> Xyc0, 3gb at least for comfort
[07:02] <Flannel> nickrud: what the hell?
[07:02] <intelikey> Xyc0 about 4g should be enough    but why do you need 1g of swap ?
[07:02] <JerKB> adrigen: I'm looking at the website now.  You can try the .rpm but you'll have to use alien to convert it to a .deb
[07:02] <nickrud> erm, I meant for the install, not swap
[07:02] <Flannel> nickrud: oh, HD, not swap.  heh. hahaha.
[07:02] <[CC] Impsy`AO`OUT> Xyc0, how much room do you have?
[07:02] <Xyc0> I don't know, don't you put a minimum total system ram
[07:03] <Flannel> Xyc0: right.  swap is a good thing to have, but not required.  Recommended is 2xRAM, if you can spare it.  but, over 1GB isn't necessary for most people
[07:03] <Xyc0> I have a lot of space, but I have all my media on its own parition
[07:03] <ElBrujo> somebody whit compiz?
[07:03] <ThePub> how would I get X to pass through sound from a line-in port?  I have my VCR hooked up there and want to just 'listen'
[07:03] <intelikey> Xyc0 i have ran a box with 64m ram and no swap with ubuntu hoary for a year now.
[07:03] <ic56> intelikey: aha.  The answer is yes.  Places> Computer.  This is why they like mount windows partitions under /media -- the newbies look for it there.
[07:03] <adrigen> JerKB: is this pretty standard operation for installing stuff on linux?
[07:03] <Xyc0> I just want to do a full install with what ever extra programs I want to play with to get to work
[07:04] <asdx> I think GNOME should have it's own composite manager for 2.16 and ubuntu should have that and Xorg/AIGLX enabled, for play and catch up Vista
[07:04] <intelikey> ic56 yes.   ubuntu uses /media for /mnt  by default
[07:04] <DaveyJ> if i have one graphics board with two heads (GeForce FX 5500) .. how do i differenciate between the two? is it 1:0:1 or what?
[07:04] <asdx> (also initng, and a new wifi stack for the drivers that dosn't work(
[07:04] <krazykit> asdx: i think gnome should dump metacity.
[07:04] <JerKB> adrigen: no, just some programs that aren't widely used aren't packaged in distros.
[07:04] <asdx> ubuntu now looks depressed
[07:05] <nickrud> krazykit, for what? I'm open.
[07:05] <Flannel> Xyc0: how muh ram do you have?
[07:05] <asdx> err, gnome
[07:05] <Xyc0> Flannel:  1024 MB
[07:05] <schwal> so does anyone know about exiting the oem mode after an oem install?
[07:05] <freakabcd> nickrud, whatever happened to the good 'ol sawmill->sawfish?
[07:05] <Flannel> Xyc0: you'll be fine with another gig of swap then, no reason to go two.
[07:05] <freakabcd> nickrud, metacity still doesn;t have proper window snapping
[07:05] <krazykit> nickrud: IMO, metacity is clunky, and doesn't have some of the features i'd expect in a good WM.  i'd say enlightenment again.
[07:05] <intelikey> Xyc0 4-6 gig and if you make a seperate /home partition of sufficient size for all your other files....  music vidios and so on  then you should be fine.
[07:05] <nickrud> freakabcd, it got to hard to use, so I quit. I haven't tried lately
[07:06] <ic56> intelikey: careful -- /mnt is intended for mounting a single filesystem.  /media is meant to contain multiple mountpoints.  Not the same thing.  However, I understood /media to be intended for removable media.  I would normally recommend /local for mountpoints of fixed disks on the localhost
[07:06] <freakabcd> which is there on almost _all_ window managers
[07:06] <Flannel> Guys, not to kill this conversation, it's healthy, but, it belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic.  Please move there ;)
[07:06] <adrigen> can anyone recommend a project management program???
[07:06] <Xyc0> Ok, thanks gang, Ill try 5 gig to be safe, and use whatever swap ubuntu uses automaticaly
[07:06] <freakabcd> except the crappy (experimental) ones written to test one particular feature, etc.
[07:06] <ThePub> metacity is just supposed to get out of the way and let the environment do the work :)
[07:06] <asdx> I think that will be nice if Gaim supports audio and video conference too
[07:07] <freakabcd> seriously, gnome has changed too many things too many times
[07:07] <jorgp_laptop> is there an edgy repos yet?
[07:07] <asdx> and everything out of the box
[07:07] <krazykit> jorgp_laptop: no
[07:07] <Flannel> jorgp_laptop: not yet.
[07:07] <zer0> Hi all
[07:07] <freakabcd> jorgp_laptop, do you see #ubuntu+1 open?
[07:07] <intelikey> ic56 in distros im more accustom to /mnt is where all the mount points normally are but ubuntu uses /media in the same way.
[07:07] <ThePub> afterall, you start adding more 'capabilities' into an X server and you'll wind right back into TWM days :p
[07:07] <krazykit> asdx: give microsoft a ring and tell them to "open up" ;-)
[07:07] <zer0> does anyone know anything about gnome-failsafe mode on ubuntu (dapper)?
[07:07] <ic56> intelikey: I see.
[07:07] <RootsLINUX> Is anyone else having problems upgrading from breezy to dapper? I run update-manager and it shows that dapper is available so I click upgrade, it downloads two files, and then update-manager seg faults! :(
[07:07] <jorgp_laptop> thanks
[07:07] <icky> anyone know how to change the resolution of the beginning welcoming screen? it is too high
[07:07] <asdx> krazykit: lol
[07:08] <RootsLINUX> I haven't found anyone else having this problem via google/ubuntu site
[07:08] <intelikey> ic56 i use /disks/*  for mount points.  but it's a matter of preferance.
[07:08] <Flannel> zer0: need to get into it? or what?
[07:08] <asdx> nah, ubuntu 6 it's nice, it's great indeed
[07:08] <ic56> intelikey: what do you use for remote filesystems, like NFS?
[07:08] <disinterested_pe> so are there any advantages/ disadvantages to useing alien?
[07:09] <Shaezsche> so for ubuntu is the ONLY linux distro that has recognized my volume knob
[07:09] <Hobbsee> freakabcd: actually, i think it's opening pretty soon...
[07:09] <zer0> after I login with gdm, it fails, yet when I log in with gnome-failsafe mode it works fine, after picking the brains of the guys over in #gnome for a while, I found out gnome - failsafe mode is distro specific thing that ubuntu put in there as a backup in case the main config files got corrupt
[07:09] <Flannel> disinterested_pe: advantages: you technically can use rpm, disadvantages: well, it's akin to installing from source.  you lose benefits of apt.
[07:09] <JerKB> disinterested_pe: alien doesn't calculate dependancies, i think.
[07:09] <schwal> who do i ask about the freaking oem mode?
[07:09] <icky> how would i reinstall gnome
[07:09] <icky> from scratch?
[07:09] <icky> i am using xfc and my gnome is messed up
[07:09] <intelikey> ic56 only dialup here friend...
[07:09] <zer0> so basically I wanted to know how I can either restore the config files or find out what failsafe mode does differently
[07:09] <Flannel> schwal: try asking at the forums, someone there might be able to answer you
[07:09] <schwal> k
[07:10] <Flannel> zer0: failsafe mode doesn't load any user config stuff/startup things or anything like that.
[07:10] <zer0> hey icky, welcome to my nightmare
[07:10] <disinterested_pe> i see it removed 120 files
[07:10] <zer0> Flannel, what isn't it loading specifically
[07:10] <ic56> intelikey: and only one computer, apparently :-)
[07:10] <intelikey> ic56 i'm what might be called network illiterate.
[07:10] <zer0> my gnome works PERFECT in failsafe mode, all my customizations, programs I set to run at startup, etc
[07:10] <Flannel> zer0: startup files, user config, anything in your home.
[07:11] <adrigen> nope no project managment solutions for linux??
[07:11] <intelikey> ic56 no i have 5 or 6 of them.
[07:11] <JerKB> zer0: I had a problem getting gnome to work too, I had old files in my home directory and had to go in and delete them.
[07:11] <whitynz> hmm so by mistake I formatted a Ext3 partition to Fat32.. stupid yes, and I've spent all day trying to recover the data off it but haven't been able to. Can anyone suggest how I would do this?
[07:11] <ic56> intelikey: it's peaceful existence :-)
[07:11] <Flannel> zer0: more specifically than that, I have no idea ;)
[07:11] <icky> anyone know how to change the resolution of the beginning welcoming screen
[07:11] <zer0> heres the thing, I created a new user, test, and test has the same exact problem
[07:11] <Flannel> whitynz: you can't really.
[07:11] <icky> its set too high
[07:11] <RootsLINUX> okay so update-manager is downloading the update helper tool for moving to dapper from breezy, and after it downloads it the box for the update tool pops up briefly and then disappears with a seg fault. wtf
[07:11] <Flannel> icky: it's GDM.  You're talking about the login screen, right?
[07:11] <freakabcd> whitynz, try taking it to some recovery service guy
[07:11] <whitynz> Flannel: no possible way at all =/?
[07:11] <freakabcd> other than that, not much you can do
[07:12] <icky> Flannel, yeah
[07:12] <Flannel> whitynz: not as far as I know.
[07:12] <whitynz> freakabcd: I live in a small town =/
[07:12] <whitynz> bugger
[07:12] <icky> Flannel, the login screen has the resolution too high
[07:12] <Flannel> icky: GDM, at least you can be specific in asking about it from now on.
[07:12] <Cornellius> Yay for gEDA and Eagle.
[07:12] <krazykit> whitynz: it also costs a ton of money.
[07:12] <RootsLINUX> The freaking update tool seg faults, why is this only happening to me?
[07:12] <eigenlambda> you never want to touch swap anyway
[07:12] <icky> oh :)
[07:12] <icky> thanks
[07:12] <eigenlambda> and with a full gig of ram, you'd have to use kde apps to even come close
[07:12] <freakabcd> whitynz, not sure. whereabouts are you?
[07:12] <eigenlambda> hehe
[07:12] <Cornellius> I'm studying in Electronics so EDAs are important :)
[07:12] <whitynz> krazykit: alright then, looks like I'm starting my assignment again
[07:13] <whitynz> freakabcd: Timaru, NZ
[07:13] <whitynz> Thanks anyhow
[07:13] <freakabcd> ah timaru, ok.
[07:13] <intelikey> ic56 if you had dialup  would you go to the effort of networking boxes like   p100mmx 64m ram 610m hdd    and others like that ?
[07:13] <freakabcd> Cornellius, whats eagle?
[07:13] <zer0> whaley, you have literally overwritten the 1's and 0's at the start of the disk with a new filesystem, the spot that tell the fs where the files are, you need an electron microscope, expensive proprietary hardware and software, a sharp eye and an even sharper wit to recover from that afaik
[07:13] <varsendaggr> hey anyone know about cars please join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:13] <zer0> *whitynz
[07:13] <nekostar> !nvidia
[07:13] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1083433&postcount=3
[07:13] <Cornellius> freakabcd: App for creating Electronic Schematics and PCBs
[07:14] <freakabcd> Cornellius, err.. does it generate netlists ready for simulation?
[07:14] <zer0> so no one can think of anything that failsafe mode does differently from normal startup that wouldn't be specific to my home directory?
[07:14] <ic56> intelikey: I'm IRCing you from p200mmx 64M RAM.
[07:14] <freakabcd> or just crappy drawing tool like dia?
[07:14] <Utopiate> what's a good terminal editor?
[07:14] <zer0> vi?
[07:14] <intelikey> eigenlambda i use kde on a box with 64m ram and no swap   what you mean "<eigenlambda> and with a full gig of ram, you'd have to use kde apps to even come close" ???
[07:15] <Flannel> Utopiate: vim, nano, emacs
[07:15] <ic56> intelikey: though that box doesn't run Ubuntu :-)
[07:15] <freakabcd> Utopiate, vim, emacs, nano, pico, etc.
[07:15] <Cornellius> freakabcd: That I dunno. I haven't explored it enough.
[07:15] <Utopiate> wow!
[07:15] <Hexidigital_> Utopiate:: i like nano
[07:15] <Utopiate> never gotten this kinda response in any other room!
[07:15] <freakabcd> zer0, i hate vi, thats why i use vim
[07:15] <ic56> Utopiate: define "good" editor.  Each is good -- but for a different thing.
[07:15] <zer0> it has been there for a 100 years, will be there for a 100 more, and it's on any unix I can imagine running
[07:15] <Flannel> nano is the most newperson friendly.  no need to learn key commands, they're all listed.  It's a plain editor though, nothing fancy
[07:15] <krazykit> Utopiate: nano is easy, and emacs vs vi is an ongoing battle
[07:16] <eigenlambda> intelikey: no you don't.  ubuntu detected that you were trying to run kde without enough memory and transparently gave you xfce with a kde theme instead
[07:16] <icky> anyone know how i could reinstall gnome?
[07:16] <icky> my gnome is messed up
[07:16] <zer0> vi, vim same thing really, if you can manage your way around one you can manage your way around the other
[07:16] <eigenlambda> ;)
[07:16] <freakabcd> zer0, not if you _use_ some features that vim has
[07:16] <krazykit> icky: i doubt it's something reinstalling can take care of.  you're better off removing the directories in your home folder that have to do with gnome
[07:16] <freakabcd> and you have taken them for granted
[07:16] <ic56> zer0: vi is less than 30 years old.  Heck, electronic computers have only existed for 60 years.
[07:16] <intelikey> eigenlambda hehhe yeah rightr.
[07:16] <freakabcd> and realise that vi is the dinosaur!
[07:16] <zer0> ic56, thanx for clearing that up
[07:16] <Utopiate> weird...
[07:17] <ic56> zer0: my pleasure! ;-)
[07:17] <Utopiate> for some reason when I switch to the nvidia-glx driver in xorg.conf it breaks X
[07:17] <icky> i keep getting this permissions problem in .dmrc and it says that it needs 644
[07:17] <zer0> so anyways, I am considering doing a `apt-get -y remove gnome && apt-get -y install gnome`, anyone wanna tell me why this is probably a really stupid idea (or not) I have only been using a debian based distro for about a week now
[07:18] <krazykit> zer0: it's a bad idea.  why would you do that?
[07:18] <czer323> Utopiate> when i installed nvidia, i had to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to match teh new driver... dunno if tat's the same issue you're having.
[07:18] <Flannel> zer0: you want a --purge in there too.
[07:18] <Flannel> zer0: to remove configuration files.
[07:18] <Eleaf> rm -rf /elk/
[07:18] <zer0> freakabcd, btw, my point was, if you know how to use vim on current linux, and someone asked you to sit down on a circa 89 at&t sysV system and edit a file you can do it
[07:18] <Utopiate> czer323: When I alter that file from "nv" to "nvidia" it breaks X
[07:18] <Flannel> zer0: as for the intelligence of the command... well, that's debatable.
[07:18] <nickrud> zer0, mainly because gnome is a meta-package, and not the right meta-package for ubuntu
[07:18] <Eleaf> Because I don't know if that should be there.
[07:18] <intelikey> icky ls -l .dmrc
[07:18] <freakabcd> zer0, that was not my point
[07:19] <czer323> Utopiate> Did you install teh nvidia drivers then?  I used easyubuntu to take care of that part for me.
[07:19] <zer0> Flannel, so what should I do then to get gnome fixed?
[07:19] <zer0> just add --purge to my install command line?
[07:19] <Utopiate> yeah... I "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[07:19] <james_xxx>  i have an old laptop with a non-functioning CD-ROM drive.... would anyone know how i might install k/x/ubuntu without the CD-ROM drive?
[07:19] <Flannel> zer0: to the uninstall, but pay attention to what nickrud said
[07:20] <intelikey> icky ?
[07:20] <krazykit> james_xxx: boot from a floppy disk and use debootstrap, i should think
[07:20] <czer323> Utopiate> Sorry then. ;)  That's the extent of my experience.  I'm still a bit of a newb.
[07:20] <zer0> ok, nickrud I don't know exactly what that means
[07:20] <Utopiate> heh
[07:20] <krazykit> james_xxx: though depending on the age, do you really want ubuntu?
[07:20] <Utopiate> it's all good
[07:20] <icky> oops
[07:20] <zer0> @ not the right meta-package
[07:20] <james_xxx> Krhow would i do that?
[07:20] <Utopiate> thanks czer323
[07:20] <intelikey> icky what did it say ?
[07:20] <czer323> utopiate> If you can at least get a log file and pastebin it, I know it'll help the other guys.
[07:20] <icky> intelikey, sorry.. so i didi that and it says rw--r--r
[07:20] <icky> -rw-r--r--
[07:21] <intelikey> that is 644
[07:21] <icky> yeah
[07:21] <icky> its wierd huh?
[07:21] <nickrud> zer0, the gnome package you see is a holdover from debian; ubuntu uses ubuntu-desktop to install the equivalent system
[07:21] <james_xxx> krazykit: well, it has a P$ chip and runs at 2.2 Ghz
[07:21] <intelikey> yes one of those misleading errors
[07:21] <james_xxx> P4*
[07:21] <intelikey> icky mind pastebin'ing your .dmrc ?
[07:21] <icky> k
[07:21] <krazykit> james_xxx: oh, i don't know the specifics :-P.  it'd involve booting from the floppy and i don't know from there.  or you could netboot.  or find a usb/pcmcia cd drive, or swap out the hard drive, install, swap back in
[07:21] <czer323> james_xxx> P money! processor ;)
[07:21] <zer0> gnome is fubar across the sys affecting mutiple user account do to what I believe is some config issue, someone please gimme the command I wanna run, at least something to try to start with to scrap and start over with gnome and it's config files
[07:21] <intelikey> !paste
[07:21] <Hexidigital_> Utopiate:: dont leave... i'm looking around to fix your problem
[07:21] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[07:22] <d00by> hey i am on ubuntu 5.04 and i want to upgrade to dapper. TELL ME HOW ;)
[07:22] <icky> what if i deleted it? intelikey
[07:22] <zer0> like I said, this is week 1 for me with debian, at least since I was in collage
[07:22] <intelikey> try it icky
[07:22] <intelikey> gdm should make another one.
[07:22] <Utopiate> thanks Hexdigital_.  "links" only views so much on webpages...
[07:23] <sn00p>  what is the flash plugin for mozilla in dapper drake?
[07:23] <nickrud> zer0, if you do do apt-cache depends gnome (list what packages are installed by the gnome meta-package) and compare that to apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop, you'll see two ways of using debian package management
[07:23] <d00by> hey, I need to update to dapper from 5.04 without cd, any help?
[07:23] <Flannel> !tell d00by about upgrade
[07:24] <james_xxx> krazykit: i have an external USB hard drive...... but i dunno if i could get it to boot from that
[07:24] <icky> i upgraded from warty to dapper
[07:24] <icky> is there anything better then dapper
[07:24] <Flannel> icky: don't do that.
[07:24] <d00by> flannel, i feel like such a noob when the bot knows my answers :(
[07:24] <icky> not straight
[07:24] <d00by> thanks
[07:24] <bruenig> for flash in mozilla do sudo flashplugin-nonfree and then sudo update-flashplugin
[07:24] <Flannel> d00by: heh, no reason to ;)
[07:24] <Hexidigital_> Utopiate:: in terminal, type -  lspci | grep nVidia
[07:24] <Flannel> icky: ah, ok.  and no, nothing more new than dapper.  dapper is only five days old
[07:24] <zer0> ok, I see it, but I am still not sure what I should do nickrud
[07:25] <Utopiate> lspci | grep nVidia
[07:25] <Utopiate> ok
[07:25] <nickrud> zer0, depends on what you're trying to fix, and I couldn't look up that far
[07:25] <Hexidigital_> Utopiate:: let me know if that produces output of some sort
[07:25] <d00by> flannel, ok i did the update-manager -d, but it brought me to the same update manager screen I was at before, with no upgrade to dapper button like 5.10 had
[07:25] <Anonycat> I have a wireless PC card in a laptop, and ndiswrapper installed, but the only interface that shows up is ppp0.  How can I add a wlan0 interface to the list that appears in network-admin?
[07:26] <krazykit> james_xxx: hm.  well, if you were to install to that external hard drive, copy all the files to the new one, and write grub or lilo to the mbr, you'd be set
[07:26] <sn00p> bruenig its not in there
[07:26] <bruenig> snoop, have you enabled the extra repositories?
[07:26] <Utopiate> Hexdigital_: nVidia Corp. NV11 (GeForce MX / MX 2
[07:26] <StarScream> hey guys, just installed one of those dapper lamp systems and its working pretty well but i'd quite like to set up a few vhosts with ftp access to them and I was wondering what permissions i should use on the dir
[07:26] <Flannel> d00by: you can't go from 5.04 to 6.06, you have to upgrade to 5.10 first.
[07:26] <sn00p> bruenig yes
[07:26] <ic56> What's the proper name to use for the GUI panel that contains "applications places system" etc?
[07:26] <Flannel> d00by: there's a link at the top of the wiki page, about how to upgrade to Breezy
[07:27] <Hexidigital_> Utopiate:: ok... type this..   sudo nvidia-xconfig
[07:27] <czer323> D00by> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  I think this is what you want.
[07:27] <StarScream> i want apache to read and  possibly write, and i want ftp accounts to read and write also
[07:27] <Matthewv> ic56, the whole panel or just the menu part?
[07:27] <Utopiate> command not found
[07:27] <Utopiate> Hexdigital_command not found
[07:27] <krazykit> Hexidigital_: then fix it
[07:27] <ic56> Matthewv: not sure which one I should use in my docs.  Tell me both.
[07:27] <Hexidigital_> krazykit:: trying to find the updated info
[07:27] <Hexidigital_> Utopiate:: ^^
[07:27] <zer0> nickrud, so what your saying is i could use apt get to remove and re-install either gnome or ubuntu-desktop, which are both going to affect different config files and binaries ? I think>
[07:28] <bruenig> snoop, have you tried automatix?
[07:28] <zer0> *think?
[07:28] <Madpilot> Hexidigital_, the Ubuntu wiki's Nvidia page?
[07:28] <d00by> flannel, czer323, oh ok thanks, will do
[07:28] <Hexidigital_> Madpilot:: yes
[07:28] <Madpilot> bruenig, please don't recommend that here
[07:28] <bruenig> ok
[07:28] <nickrud> zer0, you ever use aptitude?
[07:28] <zer0> no
[07:28] <czer323> !automatix
[07:28] <ubotu> it has been said that automatix is dangerous! DO NOT use it, it has wrecked many systems. If you really insist on a script to do the work for you, consider EasyUbuntu (!easyubuntu, #easyubuntu).
[07:28] <czer323> !Easyubuntu
[07:28] <ubotu> I heard easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. Site:  http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/.  Channel: #easyubuntu
[07:28] <Hexidigital_> Madpilot:: it is missing the sudo nvidia-config-enable command (or whatever the command is) trying to find the page now
[07:29] <sn00p> bruenig,  I have nonfree
[07:29] <Madpilot> Hexidigital_, please update it, or join #ubuntu-doc and mention it there
[07:29] <Hexidigital_> Madpilot:: will do
[07:29] <Matthewv> ic56, i believe the whole panel is just a gnome panel... same for the bottom panel, or any other panel you add.. the panel contains other items, such as the notification area, desktop switcher, and of course, the part you wanted to know about, the menu bar
[07:29] <Mempf> why is automatix so "dangerous"?
[07:30] <czer323> Can anyone suggest a good IRC client with a graphical interface, but more flexible?  xchat just isn't cutting it for me.
[07:30] <bruenig> snoop, if you have installed the flashplugin-nonfree package, then just do sudo update-flashplugin
[07:30] <ic56> Matthewv: how do I distinguish between the two panels?  is "gnome" vs "bottom" panel sufficient, given that you can easily move them around?
[07:30] <nickrud> zer0, no. The only way I know of to completely remove gnome (and then reinstall it) is to use debfoster.
[07:30] <Matthewv> ic56, they are both identical panels, just containing different sets of items...
[07:30] <bruenig> snoop, when you do that, there will be no output, but the plugin will be installed
[07:31] <Utopiate> Hrmm... switching back to the "NV" driver
[07:31] <nickrud> zer0, but personally I'd reinstall rather than use debfoster
[07:31] <Matthewv> ic56, so for all practical purposes, on a default install they are just the top and bottom panels :)
[07:31] <MTecknology> !shockwave
[07:31] <ubotu> Unfortunately there is no shockwave available for Linux (unless you use wine).  Please lobby Macromedia!
[07:31] <MTecknology> :'(
[07:31] <sn00p> bruenig, sudo flashplugin-nonfree
[07:31] <ic56> Matthewv: aaah. I see. BTW, "notification area"? where? what shows up in it?
[07:31] <zer0> dammit, I will bbian
[07:31] <zer0> *bbiab
[07:32] <michener> this may be the wrong place to ask, but who can I talk to about a custom large shipment of ubuntu CDs?
[07:32] <sn00p> bruenig,  it says it cant find the packagee
[07:32] <ic56> Matthewv: the top panel is the one containing the menubar by default right?  I've moved things around and don't remember.
[07:32] <Flannel> ic56: right. top right.
[07:32] <bruenig> do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:32] <sn00p> ok,
[07:32] <Matthewv> ic56, in default install the top one contains menu yes... the notification area is the part of the panel that, on a defaul install, has the colume control
[07:33] <Matthewv> ic56, and may contain notification things like a gaim icon if your running gaim, or update notification etc.
[07:33] <sn00p>     bruenig  then what
[07:34] <Hexidigital_> have a good night everybody
[07:34] <vinboy> hi everybuddy
[07:34] <bruenig> any line that is not text and comments but looks like this (deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted), delete the # from in front of it, not just that source i used as an example but anything similar to that
[07:34] <bruenig> then save it and try those other commands again
[07:34] <ic56> Cool!  Ok, so would "top panel> Places> Computer" be a reasonably universally inteligible description?
[07:35] <czer323> !shipit
[07:35] <ubotu> For free ubuntu CDs visit https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ . For kubuntu CDs visit http://shipit.kubuntu.org . For edubuntu CDs - http://shipit.edubuntu.org
[07:36] <cdubya> !DMA
[07:36] <kakalto> how can I edit my boot-up stuff from the console?
[07:36] <michener> yes, i visited that, and the FAQ said that "custom shipments" have yet to be added to the request form
[07:36] <bruenig> kakalto, what do you mean by boot up stuff
[07:36] <michener> who can i contact about such a thing in the meantime?