[00:04] <mgdm> is Oneiric any good on netbooks?
[00:05] <mgdm> Fedora is driving me insane by being broken in weird ways (like half of network manager segfaulting when attempting to usse it, because of missing icons)
[00:05] <penguin42> Oneiric should work ok on a netbook
[00:06] <mgdm> Wonder what desktop environment to use
[00:06] <penguin42> mgdm: Unity works OK for a netbook
[00:07] <mgdm> Hmmm
[00:07] <mgdm> I'm sceptical, but I may try tomorrow
[00:07] <penguin42> mgdm: Although if you're going to drive a projector with it give it a go before you end up trying to give your presentation :-)
[00:07] <mgdm> That would be a major issue
[00:08] <mgdm> I'm well-versed in xrandr on the CLI, as I've never ever had the Display applet do anything except lock X up
[00:08] <mgdm> I might go and see if that bug got updated, actually
[00:08] <penguin42> oh the display applet generally plays ball with me; it's just I did have a bit of a fight when I was using it with a LibreOffice presentation a few weeks back on my netbook
[00:09] <mgdm> I suppose if I don't get on with it I'll just use LXDE like I do on Fedora
[00:09] <mgdm> gnome-shell munched the machine to the point it was too slow to be usable
[00:32] <jutnux> Internet is so fast at this time of night <3
[09:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:44] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[10:47] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[11:55] <dwatkins> hiya
[12:04] <mattt> morning
[12:04] <brobostigon> afternoonings mattt and dwatkins
[12:06] <mattt> derp, it's no longer morning is it :)
[12:06] <mattt> hey brobostigon
[12:06]  * MartijnVdS plays with the Selphy a bit more
[12:08] <dwatkins> it is in the Bristol timezone... ;) (I'm in Edinburgh, but I gather Bristol used to be 15 minutes behind London)
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "Netherlands Railway time was based on GMT until 1909 when the country adopted 'Amsterdam time' as the standard time for the country, which was 19 minutes ahead of GMT. This persisted until 1940, when the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands required a shift to German time, which has continued to be the standard."
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> So we're in the wrong time zone because of Ze Germans
[12:10] <dwatkins> You would have changed it eventually, being on the same piece of land as the rest of "continental Europe", I imagine, MartijnVdS ;) just look at Samoa...
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Bristol was behind 14 minutes, according to the same Wikipedia page, btw :)
[12:11] <mattt> 19 minutes of GMT?
[12:11] <dwatkins> thanks MartijnVdS :)
[12:11]  * mattt needs a coffee
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> mattt: This was between 1909 and 1940
[12:11]  * dwatkins makes a note
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_time
[12:12] <mattt> heh, i clearly don't know my history ... that's a pretty interesting link :)
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> mattt: time is an illusion ;)
[12:14] <dwatkins> ...lunchtime doubly so.
[12:14] <brobostigon> hhgttg :)
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> Speaking of lunchtime
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> ...
[12:15] <brobostigon> ford prefect*
[12:19] <RaycisCharles> I'm not sure if I want to move to CET or not.
[12:19] <RaycisCharles> On the one hand, it gives those of us in England a lot more daylight in the evenings whilst preserving light mornings.
[12:20] <RaycisCharles> On the other hand, it means Scotland will still be dark around 9am.
[12:20] <RaycisCharles> I can't see any negatives tbh.
[12:21] <dwatkins> It's pretty dark here a lot of the time anyway, RaycisCharles.
[12:22] <RaycisCharles> Exactly.
[12:23] <RaycisCharles> Plus most of you don't work anyway, so dark morning commutes aren't an issue.
[12:23] <dwatkins> How come there's so much traffic at 8am, then? ;)
[12:24] <RaycisCharles> I'd guess because pubs open at 8am.
[12:24] <dwatkins> :-p
[12:25] <RaycisCharles> It'll be interesting to see if Scotland goes indie.
[12:26] <dwatkins> There's no logical reason for it to do so that I can see.
[12:26] <RaycisCharles> Well, it's a sovereignty / pride issue
[12:26] <RaycisCharles> Same reason why Cornwall wants independence.
[12:27] <RaycisCharles> I kinda want to see it happen, just for the entertainment value of seeing Salmond's government fail spectacularly.
[12:30] <moreati> RaycisCharles: what would be the primary reason(s) their downfall?
[12:32] <RaycisCharles> Alex Salmond would eat all the food in Scotland.
[12:33] <RaycisCharles> Also, they say they'd want to continue to use the pound...which would be managed by the Bank of England, so you'd have a mini-Poundzone where London sets interest rates which affect Scotland.
[12:33] <mattt> RaycisCharles: lol
[12:33] <mattt> RaycisCharles: reading up at what you said
[12:34] <RaycisCharles> ...which would be somewhat problematic if Scotland needs to devalue, since they can't if they keep the pound.
[12:34] <RaycisCharles> Also, they wouldn't be members of the EU anymore. The London government would veto their membership lol. They'd have to reapply and commit to joining the Euro.
[12:34] <dwatkins> Do you live in Sealand, RaycisCharles?
[12:35] <mattt> RaycisCharles: i know little about politics, but now seems like the worst time in history to be having independence discussions
[12:35] <RaycisCharles> No, the green part of England just north of London. Couldn't you tell?
[12:35] <RaycisCharles> mattt, it certainly is, for Scotland at least.
[12:35] <RaycisCharles> The problem is that nobody's really thought it through.
[12:36] <dwatkins> indeed
[12:36] <RaycisCharles> Take the NHS for example. It's already devolved, but the Scottish NHS benefits from economies of scale thanks to the English NHS.
[12:36] <dwatkins> perhaps the people propoising it profit from it
[12:36] <RaycisCharles> If Scotland was independent, Scottish drugs would like double in price or something.
[12:36] <RaycisCharles> Since there'd be no collective NHS barter - only England, Wales and NI would get cheap drugs.
[12:36] <mattt> RaycisCharles: aren't they already in a better position than those in england when it comes to prescriptions, etc.?
[12:37] <RaycisCharles> Yes, but that's because they get a generous block grant from London which is more than their tax/economic contribution.
[12:37] <RaycisCharles> If they actually had to pay for defence, foreign policy etc. they wouldn't be able to afford free prescriptions.
[12:38] <RaycisCharles> Poor parts of the country are net receivers, and richer are net contributers - that's normal in any country. Eg.  :S
[12:39] <mattt> :)
[12:39] <dwatkins> the scottish? ;)
[12:39] <RaycisCharles> Obviously London generates most tourism money.
[12:40] <RaycisCharles> I'd prefer the Union stays but it'd have to be in its current form.
[12:40] <mattt> speaking of tourism, i'm off to london to eat me some dim sum
[12:41] <RaycisCharles> If a majority in Scotland want "devo max" i.e. control of tax and spend, that'd have to be put to a referendum in the rest of the UK.
[12:41] <mattt> again, i don't know much about what goes on out there, but i can't see in a million years scotland actually going through with this
[12:41] <RaycisCharles> No, it's entirely possible.
[12:41] <RaycisCharles> It's a referendum; all that matters is how you word the question, when you hold it, who you let vote.
[12:42] <mattt> so they continue using the pound, at which point they may as well be part of the union, they go to the euro, and like ... that in itself seems odd, or they get their own currency
[12:42] <RaycisCharles> And what you tell the voters. Do you think the SNP is going to be honest and say Scotland would have to join the Euro, pay more for drugs, lose the BBC etc.?
[12:42] <mattt> i read something that if they had their own currency, no one would have a clue what it'd be valued when it went 'live'
[12:42] <RaycisCharles> Yup.
[12:43] <Neoti> hi All...
[12:43]  * mattt is afk
[12:44] <RaycisCharles> I just want to see the back of that smarmy fat cunt Salmond.
[12:46] <moreati> RaycisCharles: thank you for an in depth rant^W answer :)
[13:16] <itscrapsofar> just installed 11.10 as a first time UBUNTU install, screen defaults to 640x480, cant see options, cant change resolution, nvidia config fails to save settings, google chrome fails to load - multiple problems..... help
[13:21] <itscrapsofar> anyone alive to help? or am I just banging my head on a wall
[13:22] <AlanBell> itscrapsofar: hello
[13:22] <itscrapsofar> hello
[13:22] <itscrapsofar> I'm not having a great time of a 1st time install
[13:23] <AlanBell> what are you installing it on?
[13:23] <itscrapsofar> x86 Acer box
[13:23] <AlanBell> with an nvidia card presumably
[13:23] <itscrapsofar> yup
[13:24] <AlanBell> and a monitor that reports it's resolutions correctly
[13:24] <itscrapsofar> yes, 2x eizo 21"'s
[13:25] <AlanBell> what is the output of lspci |grep VGA
[13:26]  * AlanBell wonders off to make lunch, back later
[13:26] <itscrapsofar> I managed once to get both screens up,  rebboted twice and was fine... next time, box with multiple entries saying it cant select mode.... now its stuck in 640 x 480 and cant select anything.... basically the install seems buggered
[13:29]  * itscrapsofar wanders off to re-format the drive..... I was warned Ubuntu was tetchy.... thanks for the support
[13:39] <AlanBell> well that was positive wasn't it
[13:41] <Neoti> AlanBell: i only just got back to computer and read the above .... would have helped.... lol
[13:41] <penguin42> AlanBell: I get you can't blame if it didn't work that bad
[13:41] <Neoti> needed more info
[13:41] <penguin42> 1st impressions influence people a lot
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: that sentence doesn't parse
[13:41] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Sorry, it's a bit early, it's not even 2pm
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> 14:41 < penguin42> MartijnVdS: Sorry, it's a bit early, it's not even 2pm
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> Is too!
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> (two?)
[13:42] <penguin42> (01:41:48 PM) MartijnVdS: Is too!
[13:42] <penguin42> Is not!
[13:43] <czajkowski> calls for a ubuntu/opensource talk at crawley on ubuntu UK mailing list
[13:43] <czajkowski> anyone going to volunteer
[13:44] <AlanBell> yeah, will get back to him on that
[13:44] <czajkowski> cool
[13:44] <czajkowski> I'm close just not sure I'm the right person
[13:44] <czajkowski> but could do it if someone gave me a hand on slides/presentation
[13:45] <penguin42> what sort of hand?
[13:45] <czajkowski> ideas on content on slides and topics to cover
[13:46] <penguin42> do you know the LUG and how technical they are?
[13:46] <czajkowski> am only about 30 mins away from there
[13:46] <czajkowski> penguin42: read the mail on the ml it doesnt go into too much detail
[13:46] <penguin42> hmm, not on that list
[13:47] <czajkowski> ubuntu uk mailing list
[13:48] <penguin42> ah right, see it
[13:48] <penguin42> czajkowski: LUGs seem to vary a lot in technical knowledge so it can be difficult to judge
[13:49] <AlanBell> it isn't a lug
[13:50] <AlanBell> it is the IET http://www.theiet.org/
[13:50] <penguin42> oh, it's an IET thing - hmm those are even more random....
[13:50] <AlanBell> I replied to him off list
[13:52] <penguin42> something on how packages get from original authors of the code into debian and then into ubuntu and how bugs work might be an interesting one for a talk
[13:52] <penguin42> it might work for people who aren't particularly Ubuntu/Linux people but who may know a bit and are general softies
[14:00] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I pinged Matt Barker with it too
[14:00] <czajkowski>  q qoki dokie
[15:47] <tsurc> hi :) anyone had any problems with 12.04 and Ipv6? Im not seeing any router advertisements from my router, yet both my galaxy nexus and this very laptop running centos see them fine.
[15:49] <swat_> anyone run an SSD on ubuntu?
[15:51] <hamitron> tsurc, maybe worth asking in #ubuntu+1
[15:51] <tsurc> cheers hamitron ;) tried #ubuntu but didnt get very far at all :(
[15:52] <DJones> swat_: I think there's quite a few here that do, although its a bit quiet here at the minute, if you wait around for a while, hopefully somebody will be able to help
[15:52] <hamitron> DJones, you can type faster than me :)
[15:52] <DJones> :)
[15:53] <swat_> DJones: am a bit of a lurker anyway
[15:53] <hamitron> !ssd
[15:53] <hamitron> worth a try :D
[15:53]  * penguin42 really should buy himself an ssd
[15:54] <DJones> swat_: What was your query about SSD's anyway
[15:54] <hamitron> hdd seem to be always the thing I skimp back on
[15:54] <DJones> swat_: This may answer a question anyway http://askubuntu.com/questions/52258/is-ssd-really-supported-by-ubuntu
[15:57] <swat_> DJones: it was more, if anyone had used it and noticed a significant performance difference
[15:57] <jacobw> \o/
[15:57] <jacobw> new series of hustle
[15:58] <swat_> jacobw: :) it's good
[15:59] <jacobw> yeah, i've been a fan for some time
[16:00] <jacobw> i'd started to think it was over
[16:06] <OmNomDePlume> jacobw: does it still have that hot chick who was in Dexter?
[16:09] <jacobw> no
[16:09] <DJones> jacobw: New last ever series though ):
[16:15] <jacobw> :(
[16:15] <jacobw> it is about time though
[16:24] <AlanBell> ooh this looks good http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00n2bld
[16:25] <penguin42> bah, and I thought the swimming pool thing across the last series boundary was supposed to be that equivalent
[16:25] <penguin42> (although calling 3 episodes a series is stretching it)
[16:27] <Azelphur> Just to confirm I'm doing this right, if my provider charges me 6p/kwh, and I'm using 1.8kw, I do (1.8*0.06)*730 to get the monthly cost, excluding VAT?
[16:27] <Azelphur> 730 being the amount of numbers in a month
[16:27] <Azelphur> amount of hours* derp
[16:27] <penguin42> sounds about right
[16:27] <Azelphur> fun
[16:27] <OmNomDePlume> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TheLees-double-breasted-turtle-padding/dp/B005ZO7DI8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ap_3 lol this is a mens jacket?
[16:28] <Azelphur> OmNomDePlume: it is if you want to look like a douche :D
[16:29] <moreati> oh, I was just thinking it looked alright
[16:30] <AlanBell> if you are a criminal genius perhaps Dr moreati
[16:30] <AlanBell> professor, sorry
[16:31] <penguin42> I thnik you mean moriarty
[16:31] <penguin42> AlanBell: moreati is his evil GL uncle
[16:31] <Azelphur> wtf, the form on http://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/energy/our-tariffs.html overrides my keyboard layout
[16:31]  * Azelphur stabs british gas
[16:32] <penguin42> overrides keyboard layout?
[16:32] <Azelphur> yea
[16:32] <Azelphur> I use a colemak keyboard, but if I type in that postcode box my keyboard acts as if it was qwerty
[16:33]  * penguin42 doubts that's BG fault - I don't think you can flip something like that from js ?
[16:34] <Azelphur> *shrug* never seen anything like that happen on any other website ever
[16:34] <penguin42> would say browser bug, but it would be interesting to know how
[16:35] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:36] <OmNomDePlume> moreati, I think it looks fabulous, and gay.
[16:36] <OmNomDePlume> I fear I would made fun of if I wore that in red.
[16:36] <OmNomDePlume> That colour is really a girls' colour for jackets.
[16:37] <moreati> OmNomDePlume: I just looked at the unzipped picture, and I'm much less keen on it
[16:37] <jacobw> http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200506/06/images/0605_B10.jpg
[16:37] <jacobw> orly?
[16:38] <moreati> yeah but everything goes well with bearskin, cause who's gonna tak the mick of somewhere that can skin a bear
[16:38] <moreati> *someone
[16:47] <Azelphur> OmNomDePlume: my next jacket is undoubtably gonna be one of these http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/07/500x_scottevestcoat.jpg
[16:48] <Azelphur> or a similar scottevest anyway
[16:49] <Azelphur> they arn't kidding about how much stuff you can hide in there too, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH8uTdBXVmY
[16:50] <penguin42> That's nuts!
[16:50] <Azelphur> Indeed :D
[16:58] <penguin42> now, add a pair of good cargos to that....
[17:00] <jutnux> I don't think I've ever eaten so much food in my entire life.
[17:01] <jutnux> And evening all, how are you? :-)
[17:02]  * penguin42 has a cold :-(
[17:02] <penguin42> jutnux: Now, what food are we talking about here?
[17:03] <jutnux> penguin42: 20 chicken nuggets, 2 big tasties, 2 coffees (food?) and a large milkshake.
[17:03] <jutnux> I literally feel like I'm going to explode.
[17:03] <penguin42>  'tasties' ?
[17:04] <OmNomDePlume> Is that it?!?
[17:04] <OmNomDePlume> 20 chicken nuggets is a snack.
[17:04] <jutnux> penguin42: Massive burgers in McDonalds.
[17:05] <jutnux> OmNomDePlume: Not for me.
[17:05] <OmNomDePlume> You have a tiny hamster stomach.
[17:06] <jutnux> Perhaps ;-)
[17:06] <jacobw> crazy
[17:08] <jutnux> It was tasty though
[18:00] <jutnux> Sherlock on at 9, hell yeah.
[18:00] <moreati> jutnux: what did you think of last week's episode?
[18:01]  * popey wibbles
[18:01] <jutnux> moreati: Nice nick. It was amazing.
[18:01] <jutnux> popey: Any idea when trublr is going to be released? :-)
[18:01] <moreati> jutnux: thank you
[18:01] <popey> not yet
[18:02] <popey> been a bit busy
[18:02] <jutnux> I've got a feeling it's going to be extremely useful for the support channels.
[18:03] <popey> yeah, maybe
[18:03] <jutnux> How was the Opera yesterday?
[18:03] <popey> i liked the music ☺
[18:05] <jutnux> Where was it again? Austria? :P
[18:05] <popey> vienna
[18:05]  * popey heads to the bar
[18:05] <popey> ttfn
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:06] <jutnux> Adios.
[18:47] <zleap> hi is this a bug,   using 11.04 i have xchat open fully,  if i then open nautilus  it opens fine, but thenif I move the mouse up to focus on the xchat window I don't have a close button for xchat,  this comes back if I close the nauilus window
[18:48] <zleap> i can click on the xchat window to get the close button back, but why do the menus change but I have to click to get the close button back
[18:48] <gord> zleap, you mean the xchat window is maximised and the nautilus window isn't? not a bug, by design
[18:48] <zleap> ok
[18:48] <zleap> i guess i am using click to focus
[18:49] <zleap> but I would expect when i move over the xchat window which is behind the opened nautilus window I would get the whole menu bar bit back
[18:50] <ali1234> it's pretty bad design
[18:50] <ali1234> but there's nothing anyone can do about it
[18:50] <ali1234> actually there is one thing you can do. stop using ubuntu...
[18:50] <gord> zleap, happens to be an area of the design that is in flux when we do user testing, so maybe it'll change in the future :)
[18:50] <jutnux> I thought you used Ubuntu ali
[18:50] <zleap> pok
[18:50] <zleap> ok
[19:01] <zleap> well the issue is not a problem i was simply asking if it was a bug or not,
[19:17] <daubers> Evening
[19:26]  * jutnux pokes daubers
[19:26] <jutnux> hi
[19:37] <daubers> quiet this evening isn't it
[19:40] <Lorra> Hey everyone, I was looking for someone who could help me with this problem: every time I use the command info I get this error message info: Cannot find node `Top'. What can I do with that?
[19:40] <brobostigon> is the program top installed?
[19:41] <Lorra> yes, I have the program "top"
[19:41] <brobostigon> so if you run top in terminal, you get top?
[19:42] <Lorra> yeah I get it, why?
[19:42] <brobostigon> just checking.
[19:43] <Lorra> brobostigon: so would you know anything more?
[19:43] <brobostigon> Lorra: not of the top of my head. sorry/
[19:43] <Lorra> oh, OK, thanks anyway
[19:44] <ali1234> info is a hypertext documentation system used by the gnu project
[19:44] <ali1234> it was supposed to replace man, but nobody can understand how it works or how to use it
[19:47] <Lorra> ali1234: I think using it is pretty simple: you type info <nameOfCommand> and you get an help page
[19:47] <ali1234> yeah man works the same way
[19:47] <Lorra> and on that help page you may have hyperlinks to other help pages
[19:47] <ali1234> but is a lot easier to use
[19:47] <Lorra> man doesn't have hyperlinks
[19:47] <ali1234> and it doesn't spit out cryptic error messages
[19:47] <ali1234> on man everything is on one page. press / to search
[19:47] <Lorra> 'cause info is evil
[19:47] <ali1234> you don't need to know anything else
[19:58] <Lorra> found a solution, I had someone else to give his/her /usr/share/info/dir to me and I used it, now it works again ( :
[20:47] <gord> bah, 3.2 kernel doesn't have the awesome power saving stuff
[20:47] <gord> back to 3.0 so i get 8 hours
[20:47] <zleap> hmm,  why is that then
[20:55] <SuperEngineer> Sherlock -5 ...and counting  ;)
[20:55] <gordonjcp> is there a way to force Unity to show a separate icon in the Mac bar thing for several instances of the same program?
[20:56] <gordonjcp> ie. if I have four terminal windows open, have separate icons for each
[20:57] <jacobw> i don't think so
[20:57] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: nope, what I would like it to do is show all the window titles in the quicklist when you right click it
[20:58] <AlanBell> gord: would that be possible/easy to do?
[20:58] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: see, that is the biggest thing that slows me down with Unity
[20:58] <gord> nope, not really
[20:59] <AlanBell> yeah, click it and 20 tiny windows shoot off into the distance
[20:59] <AlanBell> on the plus side, if you have compiz enhanced zoom on you can zoom into them
[21:00] <AlanBell> so I click the icon, then super+mousewheel to zoom in and pan around to find the one I want
[21:00] <gordonjcp> I haven't got compiz
[21:00]  * AlanBell hugs compiz
[21:00] <gordonjcp> I haven't got 3d, because I use intel
[21:00] <gordonjcp> I barely even have graphics
[21:01]  * AlanBell hugs intel
[21:01] <jacobw> eyes → sherlock
[21:01] <AlanBell> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[21:01] <AlanBell> driving the laptop display plus an external 2048x1152 monitor
[21:01]  * AlanBell goes to watch sherlock
[21:05] <jutnux> Crap
[21:05] <jutnux> Woops
[21:05] <jutnux> forgot to turn it on
[21:05] <gord> gordonjcp, out of interest, what graphics chip do you have?
[21:06] <gord> unity 3d runs pretty low down the intel graphics stack
[21:06] <gordonjcp> 82945G
[21:06] <gordonjcp> if I enable unity I just get stripy garbage on the screen
[21:06] <gordonjcp> I *still* get stripy garbage without unity, just not as badly
[21:06] <gordonjcp> but, it's an Intel chipset, so it's pretty fundamentally not suitable for Linux
[21:06] <gord> ah okay, so its the driver that makes sense
[21:07] <gordonjcp> gord: the main problem is trying to get any of the xorg devs to believe that the problem exists...
[21:07] <gord> sandybridge driver does the same thing if you enable some power saving optimisations, happens in 3d and 2d applications. i just don't enable them
[21:08] <gord> i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 is the kernel parameter you enable to get the stripy corruption on the sandybridge chipset anyway
[21:08] <gordonjcp> interesting
[21:09] <gordonjcp> can you force it to be disabled?
[21:09] <gordonjcp> it's a P4 so it's not like it's particularly good on power *anyway*
[21:09] <gord> maybe =0 ? ;) i'd look up the kernel parameters for your chip set and see what makes sense
[21:11] <gordonjcp> it's particularly brutal in 12.04 on this machine since I only have 2G of RAM
[21:11] <gordonjcp> it *does* seem to be related to the memory getting full
[21:12] <gord> yeah i experienced a similar behaviour, friends with the same machine but 4/8gb of ram wouldn't get it, whereas I with 2GB would get it often
[21:12] <gord> that reminds me, should get more ram
[21:12] <jutnux> Moriati, what a genius.
[21:18] <gordonjcp> gord: I don't think this will even take 4G
[21:56] <gord> if you mouse over the "search all messages" box in thunderbird, the tooltip shows "search the web" ¬_¬
[22:29] <Laney> :O!
[22:29] <jutnux> WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
[22:30] <jacobw> :)
[22:30] <jutnux> Good ole Molly.
[22:37]  * gord looks at 11:29 in his battery indicator
[22:37] <gord> i love precice -_-
[22:50] <mattt> 11:29!?
[22:59] <gord> yup
[22:59] <gord> it confused me, i thought it was 11:29 at night
[23:02] <AlanBell> so it is good with batteries then?
[23:02]  * AlanBell ponders a precise upgrade
[23:02] <AlanBell> or a dual boot
[23:06] <gord> its good with my hardware, that's all i can really say ;) if you have a sandybridge device i'd say you should have better battery life
[23:06] <gord> but not with the latest kernel, seems that lost the benefits, the 3.0 kernel is great, 3.2 not so much
[23:07] <AlanBell> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU
[23:07] <gord> i3 may or may not be sandybridge ;)
[23:08] <AlanBell> helpful
[23:08] <mattt> gord: what sort of laptop?
[23:09] <gord> x220
[23:09] <gord> thinkpad
[23:09] <mattt> ah, those are sweet
[23:09] <gord> they really are, lots of canonicalites with them too which helps. got mine, showed it off, suddenly everyone else got theirs ;)
[23:10] <AlanBell> heh, yeah, that helps. I have seen what happens to bugs reported on hardware silbs uses ;)
[23:11] <mattt> ha
[23:12] <gord> i *may* have waited for an X guy to get one before i did ;)
[23:13] <matti> ;]
[23:17] <mattt> i'd love to move away from my apple laptop, but every non-apple laptop just feels clunky and cumbersome to use :(
[23:18] <matti> Apple?
[23:18] <matti> :<
[23:18] <matti> #kittenjustdied
[23:18] <matti> mattt: ThinkPad W520 ;]
[23:18] <Azelphur> mattt: just do what I do with hardware "I don't care how big it is, I want a third hard drive."
[23:19] <AlanBell> I have grown to like my Samsung R530, I got it a couple of years ago and now the last bug (VGA port timing issue) has been fixed and I filled it up with 8GB ram
[23:19] <mattt> Azelphur: oh, i do care how big it is tho :)
[23:19] <Azelphur> mattt: I roll with a dell M1730, it's pretty much one of the largest in existence haha
[23:20] <mattt> Azelphur: if you need a laptop bag on wheels, you need to re-evaluate things :)
[23:20] <AlanBell> the screen resolution is lower than I had before, I had 1600x1200 then 1920x1080 then this one is just 1366x768
[23:20] <Azelphur> mattt: I use a backpack, works ok :D
[23:20] <mattt> AlanBell: what are you running?  not precise ?
[23:20] <AlanBell> but with a big external monitor I am actually fine with the fairly low laptop screen size
[23:20] <AlanBell> mattt: oneiric on this one, precise on a little atom powered desktop I have
[23:21] <mattt> i went to install precise on my msi wind uwhatever the other week, thing no longer boots
[23:21] <mattt> think the memory's faulty :/
[23:22] <directhex> oof.
[23:22] <mattt> which is great, since i've used it a whopping 6 times ... if that :)
[23:22] <directhex> pulled everything off the AV unit, and started attaching speakers to the wall. tired out.
[23:24] <mattt> on a sunday evening?  ambitious :)


[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Get a Different Name Day! :-D
[09:20] <Laney> mpt: by header, do you mean ListItem.Header?
[09:20] <Laney> because what I had there was the 'title' of the Dialog
[09:20] <Laney> and those /were/ ListItems - that's one of the reasons I was complaining about Dialogs not being so useful right now
[09:21] <Laney> I think I get to file some bugs and not do this work right now...
[09:50] <dpm> mzanetti, what do you think about https://code.launchpad.net/~bobo-324/reminders-app/fix-1273111/+merge/204404 ? I wasn't too sure about the hardcoded width
[09:51] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah... I don't really like it either
[09:51] <dpm> mzanetti, do you have any suggestion for him to try something else?
[09:51] <mzanetti> dpm: but I would need to experiment with it myself to figure something more suitable
[09:51] <dpm> ok
[09:55] <dpm> mardy, about this MP... https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/app-access/+merge/204191 - could you rebase it to trunk when you've got a minute? Also, does it still require to use a ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts branch that's not yet landed for testing?
[09:58] <mardy> dpm: it's not landed yet :-(
[09:59] <dpm> mardy, np, I'd suggest that we wait until it's landed to review the MP, is that ok for you? Or do you expect it to take quite a while for it to land?
[10:02] <dpm> WebbyIT, mzanetti, I'm going through the branches needing review and I've noticed this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/rtfmplaceholders/+merge/204393 - we decided to put RTF on hold for now as it will require quite a lot of work. Does this branch still needs to be reviewed as the first step to get RTF support, or shall we mark it as WIP?
[10:03] <Laney> zsombi: timp: Is the DatePicker supposed to implement <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDatePickers#Specification> ?
[10:03] <WebbyIT> dpm, you can mark it as WIP, I only added icons in toolbar...
[10:04] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah, please put it to WIP
[10:04] <Laney> That sounds more like an OSK mode than a UITK component to me, but I don't know ...
[10:04] <zsombi> Laney: yes, in parts. That wiki page is outdated, and noone had time to update it with the desired layouts.
[10:04] <dpm> done, thanks guys
[10:05] <zsombi> Laney: it cannot be an OSK layout as it can be invoked from other components than inputs.
[10:05] <Laney> zsombi: I mainly mean the bit where it's in the same place as the keyboard
[10:05] <zsombi> Laney: more, it should be shown as popover in form factors > phone
[10:05] <zsombi> Laney: that is achieved using PickerPanel
[10:06] <Laney> aha
[10:06] <zsombi> Laney: you should use PickerPanel to invoke the DatePickers, the other components were made public so it can be included in dialogs, panels, etc
[10:07] <Laney> can you maybe refer to that from the DatePicker documentation?
[10:08] <zsombi> Laney: yes, we could, pls file a bug against ubuntu-ui-toolkit so we can track it
[10:09] <Laney> done
[10:09] <zsombi> thx, bug number?
[10:09] <mardy> dpm: I agree, let's wait
[10:10] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1279729
[10:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279729 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Refer to PickerPanel from DatePicker's documentation" [Undecided,New]
[10:10] <Laney> now let me see if I can open one of these from a Dialog ...
[10:11] <dpm> ack, thanks mardy
[10:13] <mzanetti> zsombi: is the ExpandablesColumnt to be move to Ubuntu.Components too or should I keep it in ListItems?
[10:14] <zsombi> mazanetti that can stay there... have you checked my comments on the MR?
[10:18] <mzanetti> zsombi: yeah, on it
[10:18] <zsombi> mzanetti: sorry for asking you to split the MR, but it makes sense to have the changes in small separate ones so it can be tracked much easier
[10:19] <zsombi> especially the fixes on UbuntuTestCase
[10:19] <mzanetti> :/
[10:19] <mzanetti> ok
[10:28] <zsombi> mzanetti: you can have one MR for Expandable and ExpandablesColumn, but have a separate one for the UbuntuListView
[10:28] <mzanetti> zsombi: ack
[10:29] <mzanetti> gives more LP karma :D
[10:29] <mzanetti> always look at the bright side :D
[10:29] <zsombi> mzanetti ;)
[10:29] <dpm> mzanetti, I'm going through the work items for reminders as well, could you help me updating their status with the questions here? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6924809/
[10:30] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah, I can help a little with that. although I probably only do real work on reminders next week.
[10:31] <dpm> mzanetti, that's fine, for now I meant helping by answering the questions and finding out which ones are done and which ones need work :) ^^
[10:31] <mzanetti> dpm: ack... will walk through the BP items
[10:31] <mzanetti> there's probably more I've already done by now
[10:32] <dpm> given the fact that you were quicker implementing features before the work items were even written, I've got no doubt about that :)
[10:32] <mzanetti> :D
[10:34] <dpm> mzanetti, if I want to test reminder creation, do I still need to follow a set of steps before I add the reminder? I seem to remember that was the case when you first landed reminder support, but I've not yet had the chance to test them (will do now)
[10:34] <mzanetti> dpm: yes, the note still needs to be fully downloaded before you can edit the reminder time
[10:35] <mzanetti> dpm: however, if you already have the branch that downloads visible items, that should do it for you
[10:35] <dpm> mzanetti, I should have it, that should be in trunk and the 0.4 version that is in the store since yesterday should have included it
[10:36] <mzanetti> ah, nice
[10:36] <dpm> let me test that now
[10:39] <mzanetti> zsombi: first one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/children-to-data/+merge/206139
[10:39] <mzanetti> zsombi: though jenkins might still complain a bit about this one... I'll watch for its reports.
[10:45] <zsombi> mzanetti: ok... let's see what J will say about... it used to be unstable... again :/
[10:50] <dpm> mzanetti, in the reminders tab, what's the checkbox next to each reminder for?
[10:51] <mzanetti> dpm: I see you're not an evernote user :D
[10:51] <mzanetti> dpm: its for marking the reminder as done
[10:51] <dpm> actually I do use it every now and then, but I've never used reminders :)
[10:51] <dpm> ok, thanks
[10:52] <dpm> mzanetti, is the "Add reminder" button supposed to be working, or is it not yet implemented?
[10:52] <mzanetti> dpm: that's not working yet
[10:52] <dpm> ack, thanks
[10:52] <mzanetti> iirc. it's been a while
[10:53] <mzanetti> JamesTait: lol
[10:54]  * mzanetti just scrolled up to see what day it is
[10:54] <JamesTait> mzanetti, do you recognise the reference? ;)
[10:54] <mzanetti> no
[10:55] <mzanetti> still found if funny
[10:56] <JamesTait> mzanetti, http://youtu.be/BLTR8qYWJbQ
[10:57] <JamesTait> It still may not make much sense in such a short clip, but it adds some context.
[10:57] <mzanetti> is that rowan atkinson?
[10:57] <JamesTait> It is indeed. :)
[10:57] <mzanetti> lol
[11:01] <JamesTait> mzanetti, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0526716/?ref_=tt_ep_ep1 is the episode in question.
[11:01] <mzanetti> JamesTait: nice. Will watch it tonight.
[11:02] <mzanetti> maybe I should watch the whole series
[11:05] <JamesTait> I'd recommend it. :)
[11:07] <nik90> dpm: doesn't developer.ubuntu.com have cookies to store the user credentials? It seems I have to login everytime I open the page.
[11:10] <mzanetti> dpm: ok... updated the BP
[11:14] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, if I try to shoot a photo on PC with the app I have this error: CameraBin error: "Error while writing to file "/home/rpadovani/.cache/com.ubuntu.reminders/"."
[11:14] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, is it a know issue?
[11:14] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: hmm, no
[11:14] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: does the directory exist?
[11:14] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, yap
[11:15] <mzanetti> wait... why isn't there a filename?
[11:15] <mzanetti> it /should/ generate some filename like image_1002141215.jpg
[11:15] <mzanetti> anyways, no its not known... you'd need to debug it.
[11:16] <mzanetti> if you can't find the issue, let me know
[11:16] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, dunno, If I change  camera.imageCapture.captureToLocation(cameraHelper.importLocation); with only  camera.imageCapture.capture(); it works as expected
[11:16] <popey> nik90: ubuntu single sign on requires sign on daily i believe
[11:16] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: yeah, but then it tries to store it to /home/phablet/Pictures/ on the phone
[11:16] <mzanetti> which won't work
[11:27] <daker> nik90: developer.u.c is different from myapps.developer.u.c
[11:27] <dpm> thanks mzanetti
[11:28] <dpm> nik90, I'd have to check. The store is actually a separate process running django
[11:30] <Laney> Can I change the text colour of a ListItem.SingleValue?
[11:30] <Laney> They appear as black-on-grey when used inside Dialogs
[11:52] <WebbyIT> lol, mako compiles reminders-app faster than my secondary computer
[11:55] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, I have same error on mako, I tried also to give 777 permissions to the folder and to explicit the name of the file
[11:55] <WebbyIT> QCameraImageCapture error: "Could not save image to /home/phablet/.cache/com.ubuntu.reminders/"
[11:59] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: I think its not the write permissions, but the fact that it doesn't generate a filename
[11:59] <mzanetti> but that used to work... really strange it doesn't any more
[12:00] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, you're right: camera.imageCapture.captureToLocation(cameraHelper.importLocation + "111.png"); works
[12:01] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: actually it should generate a filename on its own if there isn't one given...
[12:01] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: well, you can just put one in there... e.g. cameraimport.jpg
[12:01] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: iirc the cameraHelper cleans it up after attaching to the note
[12:01] <mzanetti> so it shouldn't be an issue that the filename is always the same
[12:02] <mzanetti> but please try all possible scenarios...
[12:04] <WebbyIT> yes, I'll do some try
[12:49] <dpm> WebbyIT, once you're done with the camera, if you are interested in something else to look into, I've just filed bug 1279779 and bug 1279780
[12:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279779 in Ubuntu Reminders app "Reminders tab needs sorting by date and time" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279779
[12:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1279780 in Ubuntu Reminders app "Reminder creation views needed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279780
[13:19] <WebbyIT> dpm sure, thanks :-)
[13:19] <WebbyIT> I've also seen that you shared file on GDrive,
[13:20] <dpm> yeah, the tablet designs look nice :)
[13:21] <WebbyIT> Yap :)
[13:56] <mzanetti> dpm: WebbyIT: hey. creating a reminder is a bit of an issue
[13:56] <mzanetti> dpm: the thing is, reminders are normal notes
[13:57] <mzanetti> on the evernote website you can't create a reminder directly but you need to create a note and the set the reminder flag to it
[13:57] <mzanetti> according to the wireframes we're supposed to create only a reminder, which would probably result in an empty note. not sure that's really a good idea
[13:59] <dpm> mzanetti, oh, I see. We should sync up with Dani on that, thanks for the heads up
[14:08] <elopio> alex-abreu: ping? I would like to remind you about https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/webbrowser-app :D
[14:09] <alex-abreu> elopio, oh ... ok I ad it to my review list
[14:10] <elopio> thanks.
[14:24] <dpm> mardy, if we'd like to test contact/calendar syncing, I'm being told that there are some packages in a PPA that we could use. Could you help us with some advice?
[14:44] <mardy> dpm: yes, there's a SyncEvolution package in the phablet-team PPA which supports Online Accounts
[14:45] <dpm> mardy, cool, thanks. What will that package give me? What should I be looking for when testing?
[14:53] <jdstrand> kalikiana: hey, I'm using u1db as a storage and it works great. is there documentation on how I can hook it up to u1 for syncing across devices?
[14:54] <kalikiana> jdstrand: that isn't in trunk yet - I have nobody who wants to review it cause it's c++ :-]
[14:54] <jdstrand> heh, ok :)
[14:55] <kalikiana> unless you happen to have some time for that *wink, wink*
[14:55] <jdstrand> heh, not in the immediate future, but maybe at some point
[14:58] <kalikiana> in case anybody with c++ skills wants an easy road to fame https://code.launchpad.net/u1db-qt/+activereviews code is there, only review/ testing needed ;-)
[15:05] <dpm> kalikiana, is https://code.launchpad.net/~kalikiana/u1db-qt/syncWithU1/+merge/202508 the main one that needs to be reviewed to get u1 support?
[15:09] <kalikiana> dpm: yes
[15:10] <kalikiana> there's some potential follow-ups but that gets things essentially working
[15:11] <ybon> Bazaar workflow question: you guys track each branch of a project in a separate directory? I.e. no way to "git checkout" like?
[15:13] <dpm> ybon, bzr is a bit different, each branch is separate
[15:13] <ybon> ok
[15:13] <ybon> that's what I'm understanding
[15:16] <mardy> dpm: do you have access to this document? https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1awk0wL88oTt1jXpnv1FenFcF9Dy5CEBxVTjGWBtx5YU/edit#heading=h.8c5s45jwpl4f
[15:16] <mardy> dpm: but don't follow the instructions there, yet
[15:16] <dpm> mardy, ok, I can see it, but I'll wait on your instructions :)
[15:18] <mardy> dpm: get this, first: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/+junk/sync-server
[15:18] <ybon> popey: I'm afraid I'm starting by adding more issues :s
[15:18] <dpm> mardy, sure, what does it do?
[15:21] <mardy> dpm: it contains the .service and .application files that are needed to link SE to OA
[15:23] <mardy> dpm: try to build it (I'm not sure it builds, actually...)
[15:23] <dpm> mardy, gotcha. So it's a matter of building it, installing it and then following the instructions in the doc?
[15:26] <mardy> dpm: yes, make sure that the .service and the .application files get installed
[15:26] <mardy> dpm: then follow the document starting from point 3
[15:27] <dpm> mardy, ok, thanks
[15:27] <dpm> mardy, one last question: will this work both on desktop and on the phone?
[15:28] <mardy> dpm: yes
[15:28] <dpm> ok
[15:28] <mardy> dpm: or maybe it won't work in either :-p
[15:28] <mardy> ;-)
[15:28]  * dpm gets prepared to break things
[15:35] <ybon> pkunal-parmar: is that a typo: function gloablModel() ? :)
[15:35] <pkunal-parmar> yes :)
[15:35] <pkunal-parmar> I think I changes it in some MR,
[15:35] <ybon> ok :)
[15:35] <pkunal-parmar> which are current in review
[15:35] <ybon> ok
[15:36] <ybon> pkunal-parmar: when I delete an event, it doesn't get deleted from the UI, is it worth I try to debug this?
[15:36] <pkunal-parmar> no
[15:36] <dpm> I think this might be because of eds not being up to date in 13.10
[15:36] <ybon> ah
[15:36] <pkunal-parmar> I think, problem is your EDS version
[15:37] <ybon> but I've pulled the coreapps ppa
[15:37] <ybon> it isn't enough?
[15:37] <dpm> it still might be behind of the version where that bug was fixed
[15:37] <ybon> ppa:ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily this one
[15:37] <ybon> ok
[15:37] <dpm> that's what I meant earlier on when I mentioned that it might be a bit behind. I should have been more clear, sorry
[15:38] <ybon> no pb :)
[15:38] <ybon> so do you know how I get the good version of EDS?
[15:38] <pkunal-parmar> ybon, if you want to start contributing, then you can check how we can add support for setting date in NewEvent
[15:39] <ybon> I'm ok with that :)
[15:39] <pkunal-parmar> dpm, do you know when DatePicker is landing ?
[15:39] <ybon> but I think I should update my EDS before doing anything ;)
[15:39] <pkunal-parmar> right
[15:39] <dpm> ybon, the only way is to backport the trusty version to 13.10 in the PPA, but I'm not sure if anyone will have the time for that, as we're all focused on trusty and getting ready for the release
[15:40] <ybon> ahem
[15:40] <dpm> pkunal-parmar, I don't know the status of DatePicker, but I think zsombi might know more
[15:40] <ybon> are you guys on Trusty on your desktop?
[15:40] <dpm> I'm on trusty on my desktop and 13.10 on my laptop
[15:41] <dpm> trusty has been quite solid so far
[15:41] <ybon> is it stable enough for day to day work?
[15:41] <ybon> okay
[15:41] <dpm> also the upgrade
[15:41] <dpm> yeah, it is for me
[15:41] <ybon> ok, so maybe I should do that
[15:43] <zsombi> pkunar-parmar: DatePicker as well as PickerPanel had been released afaik
[15:44] <zsombi> pkunar-parmar: the docs at least show them http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Components.PickerPanel/
[15:44] <pkunal-parmar> I was able to use Picker panels, but datepicker was not available
[15:44] <pkunal-parmar> but I will check
[15:47] <pkunal-parmar> ybol, I will go to sleep now, you can mail me if you need any help
[15:47] <ybon> pkunal-parmar: I guess ybol is me? :)
[15:48] <pkunal-parmar> yes :), sorry for typo
[15:48] <ybon> ;)
[15:48] <ybon> where can I find you email, in case of need? :)
[16:01] <dpm> ybon, you can find the e-mail of the developers in the project in LP, let me give you the link
[16:01] <ybon> dpm: he has given me his email in pm :)
[16:01] <ybon> but thanks :)
[16:02]  * ybon off to the harbour master to get a better Internet to upgrade
[16:02] <dpm> ok, cool, in any case, if you're logged in to LP and their e-mail is not set to hidden, you can find them here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev
[16:02] <ybon> ok thanks :)
[16:15] <om26er> renato, ping
[16:21] <ybon> humm "Could not calculate the upgrade" aborting
[16:21] <ybon> is there a fancy thing to do to release-upgrade on an alpha?
[16:25] <ybon> humm, many many Broken package, not sure is doable for me at this stage :(
[16:54] <ybon> dpm: here is the list of broken packages when I try to upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6926413/ so I think I'm in 13.10 for now :/
[16:54] <ybon> plan B was to compile the Trusty version of EDS over Saucy, right?
[16:58] <ybon> is this the package we are talking about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server ?
[16:59] <balloons> ping nik90
[17:14] <dpm> ybon, the package is the Qt E-D-S plugin
[17:54] <ybon> dpm: aaah, thanks :)
[18:36] <ybon> -- Installing: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/organizer/libqtorganizer_eds.so
[18:36] <ybon> ^^ dpm :)
[18:36] <ahayzen> balloons, ping
[18:37] <balloons> ahayzen, pong
[18:37] <ahayzen> balloons, this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot-qt/+bug/1269578
[18:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1269578 in Autopilot Qt Support "Autopilot cannot access MediaPlayer component" [Critical,Confirmed]
[18:37] <ahayzen> balloons, regarding ur comment in the merge earlier
[18:38] <balloons> ahayzen, yes ty.. notice they backed out the "fix" it broke things
[18:38] <ahayzen> balloons, yeah lol
[18:38] <balloons> but it's still a critical bug
[19:30] <balloons> ahayzen, apparently it's on target to be fixed again next week :-)
[19:31] <balloons> it's a good bug that you found
[19:31] <ahayzen> balloons, cool :)
[19:32] <ahayzen> balloons, could i ask for ur opinion on another MP?
[19:32] <balloons> ahayzen, certainly
[19:32] <ahayzen> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/202171
[19:33] <ahayzen> balloons, read this comment https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/202171/comments/480172
[19:33] <ahayzen> balloons, basically there was an animation not occurring before, which i've now fixed ... but how do i go about creating a test which would fail before and work now (so basically detects the animation occurring?)
[20:25] <ybon> what's the best way to have a "nexus" host to be able to run calendar app tests (as in  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/testrun.sh ) ?
[20:27] <balloons> ahayzen, sorry, got distracted
[20:27] <ahayzen> balloons, np
[20:27] <balloons> ahayzen, Leo is asking for lower level tests.. that is something in the sdk isn't being well tested
[20:28] <ahayzen> balloons, so wht should i do?
[20:28] <balloons> you managed to find it because it broke something
[20:28] <balloons> Leo is just concerned that it could regress again
[20:29] <ahayzen> balloons, yeah it broke our move from our custom swipe delete => SDK
[20:29] <balloons> imho, if elopio is happy with the merge in the toolkit, file a bug to get the test added to the sdk
[20:29] <balloons> I realize that might just bury it, but they are two different things
[20:30] <balloons> I wouldn't hold your merge on the basis of the other.. but as he said, it needs a qml test for the sdk to test for this
[20:30] <ahayzen> balloons, ok, i'll probably try and talk to tim at some point as i need someone to approve it anyway
[20:34] <elopio> ahayzen, balloons, yes, just that. Please talk to somebody on the toolkit, and they will either help you writing that missing test, or tell you to file a bug and assign it to somebody.
[20:34] <elopio> ahayzen: thanks for working on it.
[20:34] <ahayzen> elopio, thanks for ur help
[21:32] <ybon> popey: around?
[22:01] <nik90> popey: hey, sry I missed the clock app meeting today
[22:16] <ybon> anyu idea why there is no .desktop file in the calendar-app?
[22:16] <ybon> -u
[22:18] <nik90> ybon: there is a desktop file for the calendar app.
[22:18] <nik90> ybon: bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/com.ubuntu.calendar_calendar.desktop.in
[22:18] <ybon> ah, desktop.in is valid too?
[22:18] <ybon> but so why the manifest.json doesn't point this one?
[22:19] <nik90> ybon: all core apps have transitioned to cmake. As a result the source could indicate .desktop.in while after building the click package it is converted to .desktop
[22:20] <nik90> I do not know how exactly it works since the commit was not done by me
[22:20] <ybon> ah
[22:20] <ybon> interesting
[22:20] <ybon> but then when I do "Ctrl-F12" to run the app on the device, it fails
[22:20] <ybon> looking for the .desktop that does not exist
[22:20] <nik90> what really?
[22:21] <ybon> I sware :)
[22:21] <nik90> I will just the clock app since it just made the transition recently...give me a minute
[22:21] <ybon> I give you this minute with pleasure :)
[22:24] <nik90> ybon: shit you are right!
[22:24] <nik90> balloons: ping
[22:25] <ybon> also, while you are here nik90: any idea how I set up the "nexus" hostname for running the unittests?
[22:25] <ybon> I don't think I can add a port in /etc/hosts
[22:26] <nik90> ybon: sry not sure about running unittests on devices
[22:26] <ybon> I just see a "testrun.sh" that want to do that
[22:26] <ybon> how do you run test usually?
[22:26] <ybon> I mean autopilot
[22:26]  * ybon noob
[22:27] <nik90> ybon: I run autopilot tests on the device using a script given by popey
[22:27] <nik90> You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6721815/
[22:27] <ybon> wow :)
[22:28] <nik90> yup popey is a magic bot :)
[22:28] <ybon> I was expecting some "make autopilot" wizardrie ;)
[22:49] <ybon> is there a commit comment convention on bazaar/launchpad? Like in git, only 70 chars for first line, then jump a line, then others lines


[03:23] <aaron_rackspace> hey all, i'm looking for anyone who would be interested in a c++11 project that I'm looking to package with an ubuntu distro. would require an understanding of BGP, syslog, and TCP sockets. project is currently alpha.
[05:06] <Fieldy> I installed phpmyadmin however there's nothing that I can find related to it anywhere in /var/www. it didn't say I needed to do anything else, did I miss something?
[05:27] <sarnold> Fieldy: when I'm stuck with a "what next?" sort of feeling, I look in the /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ directory, and if that isn't as useful as it could be, I run dpkg -L <packagename> to see what files were installed
[06:24] <LargePrime> hey, assuming a Ubuntu server with server ips bound to to it, how do i open a port on one of the ip's?
[06:26] <sarnold> LargePrime: there's no default firewall; just have your server program bind() a socket, listen() to a port at startup, then accept connections in the main loop
[06:27] <LargePrime> The software is supposed to have opend a port.  but it seems not.  i scanned with nmap and it is closed
[06:27] <sarnold> LargePrime: check with sudo netstat -nlp | grep :portnumber
[06:27] <sarnold> (-n to avoid dns, -l to show listening, -p to show program names and pids)
[06:28] <LargePrime> sarnold: how do i specify the ip?
[06:29] <sarnold> LargePrime: most programs have a directive for that; <IP_ADDRESS> or * for "any", or a specific IP if you want it bound on only one address
[06:29] <LargePrime> ok i see it with the netstat command
[06:31] <LargePrime> sarnold:  I see thie correct ip and the port with the netstart, but nmap is not showing it as open when scanned
[06:33] <sarnold> LargePrime: okay, that's a start, though it does complicate things a bit :) it's bed time for me, so I'm afraid I'll just hahve to throw you some pointers and hope one of them gets it..
[06:33] <LargePrime> and now everything is working
[06:33] <sarnold> LargePrime: first, make sure ...
[06:33] <sarnold> haha
[06:33] <LargePrime> ok did i do that?
[06:33] <sarnold> try to show the problem to someone else, and it goes away. every time. :D
[06:33] <LargePrime> ok it not just me
[06:34] <sarnold> LargePrime: I wish I had a good explanation. :/ the netstat command won't change anything..
[06:38] <LargePrime> sarnold:  thanks
[09:49] <capellou> bonjour
[09:52] <capellou> je voudrais savoir comment je dois faire pour redémarrer comme si c'etait pour la premiere fois mon ordinateur je suis sous Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ?
[14:26] <angs> I am installing ubuntu-server 12.04.2 from a pendrive (by using unetbootin), it outputs error for the ubuntu archive mirror, I selected tens of countries from the list, but it always output "bad archive mirror". one of  the mirrors that I am using is se.archive.ubuntu.com. how can I overcome this step?
[14:27] <holstein> angs: i would try and install without adding packages at installation
[14:35] <angs> it asks that step by default when I select "install ubuntu server" option on unetboot.
[14:36] <BenyG> angs: have you checked networking is ok?
[14:36] <angs> sorry select "install" option.
[14:36] <angs> I selected to install it without having connection option
[14:37] <angs> if I select "install ubuntu server" on the unetboot, at a point it asks me to insert the installation CD where I am using pendrive. there is no option to select another storage.
[14:38] <angs> I will try to use usb-creator to prepare the usb stick then try it
[14:38] <angs> *try to install it
[14:41] <joshu> hi anyone familiar with using procmail for forwarding outgoing emails?
[17:30] <sliddjur> What is xinetd and why would I need it?
[17:30] <sliddjur> im setting up nagios3 server and a nrpe host on another network. some guides suggests me to use xinetd
[17:35] <RoyK> sliddjur: xinetd (or inetd) is a helper to make processes not having a tcp (or udp) listener built in work over those protocols. nrpe should be able to listen to tcp without (x)inetd
[17:43] <sliddjur> RoyK: hmm ok.
[17:44] <sliddjur> my teacher also suggested me to use two hosts on the same network
[17:44] <sliddjur> he never told me why
[20:29] <Fieldy> any suggestions for an imap server other than courier? i've spent two hours mucking with it and it just won't start. and i'm not new at courier, i have many years of experience, and even I can't figure it out. time to move on.
[20:30] <genii-around> Fieldy: Dovecot
[20:30] <Fieldy> thanks
[20:32] <maxb> Either dovecot or cyrus
[20:32] <guntbert> Fieldy: the !serverguide contains a good part about mail services
[20:32] <maxb> dovecot's probably easier to get going with
[20:33] <guntbert> !serverguide | Fieldy
[20:33] <maxb> cyrus is possibly better some more advanced use cases
[20:33] <Fieldy> thanks for the info
[20:33] <Fieldy> yeah my needs are simple
[20:33] <Fieldy> just tired of fighting courier's goofy config
[20:33] <Fieldy> so i'll play with dovecot
[20:41] <Seveas> Fieldy: cyrus is good too
[22:12] <dandkburt> can some one tell me why I am getting this "Connection closed by foreign host." and why I cannot get my smtp up and running
[22:13] <holstein> dandkburt: what are you trying to do?
[22:13] <dandkburt> install Postfix and get it running on my server
[22:13] <holstein> you are trying to ssh into it?
[22:13] <dandkburt> yes
[22:14] <holstein> dandkburt: thats when you get that error? trying to ssh into it?
[22:14] <dandkburt> I have ssh connected
[22:14] <dandkburt> that is when I use Telnet
[22:14] <dandkburt> through ssh
[22:15] <dandkburt> to test it
[22:15] <dandkburt> Holstein will you pm me
[22:17] <holstein> dandkburt: nah.. you should wait for a more qualified volunteer.. try #ubuntu as well
[22:18] <dandkburt> ty Holstein
[22:27] <dandkburt>  all I am looking for is help configuring Postfix if anyone could take a minut to help me
[22:33] <dandkburt> wow
[22:33] <dandkburt> I am getting blown off everywhere
[22:42] <genii-around> dandkburt: Probably just no one around right now, it is a holiday weekend after all
[23:29] <dandkburt>  looking for assistance on postfix


[18:53] <mhall119> cjohnston: why do the burndown charts for ubuntu-s start in March 2013?
[18:58] <cjohnston> because we started tracking in march


[14:22] <genii> Does anyone knoww offhand when Yakkety Yak Release will be added to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ ?
[14:26] <genii> It's only about a month away
[14:35] <elacheche> cc @LC tsimonq2
[14:41] <pleia2> when the loco-council gets around to it, usually people remind them :)
[14:57] <genii> I had to ping someone last time about it, but forgot who now
[14:58] <svij> I've noted that down on my todo list, so I wont forget it
[14:58] <pleia2> thanks svij
[16:02] <genii> svij: Thanks!
[17:50] <tsimonq2> elacheche: you pinged? what's up?


[01:43] <phaseNi> Hello, is it possible to have a package built for multiple releases with one dput?
[02:13] <wgrant> phaseNi: No. You must either upload a different version to each series, or copy the source+binaries between series once they've built (but you'd need to verify that your particular packages work without being rebuilt).
[02:16] <phaseNi> ok, thanks


[06:12] <sagaci> jaddi27, are you going to do kfontinst or ksysguard?
[06:13] <jaddi27> I was just about to do kfontinst
[06:13] <jaddi27> But if you want to do them, I am happy to let you do it
[06:14] <sagaci> righteo, i'll do guard, just thought so we weren't going to cross wires
[06:14] <jaddi27> Ok. I will get started


  I'll take it.
[08:21] <gmb> Yay, test isolation issues!
[08:21] <gmb> My favourite thing in all the world!!!1!
[08:23] <bigjools> jtv: grassy ass
[12:58] <mfa298> I've been asked to spec some Dell hardware for Maas + Juju + openstack and I was wondering if anyone had experience of what level of IPMI/iDrac is required for Maas - Is the basic IPMI service enough or does it need one of the iDRAC options (Express / Enterprise)
[12:59] <magicrobotmonkey> I use it fine with basic ipmi
[12:59] <magicrobotmonkey> all it needs is the power commands, i think
[13:01] <mfa298> that's good to know. Ive only used Dells in the past with the iDRAC Enterprise but that get's pricey.
[13:02] <mfa298> I was thinking the basic IPMI would work but not something I've ever used on Dells.
[13:35] <jtv> blake_r: I wrote some review notes for your certificate-generating branch.  I wonder if a future version of the script shouldn't just submit the key to maas for you.
[13:36] <blake_r> jtv: yeah that would be good, that was written by cloudbase, but we could add that
[13:36] <blake_r> jtv: mayge with a flag
[13:36] <jtv> Yeah... you'd need credentials of course, so maybe optional... later.  :)
[13:38] <jtv> ว้าาา a single test that's more than a page long...  ☹
[13:40] <blake_r> Haha...
[14:35] <blake_r> jtv: thanks for the review
[14:35] <blake_r> jtv: lucky for me I get to fix there code! so happy!
[15:17] <jtv> blake_r: I've been there and trust me, it gives me no pleasure.  :)
[15:17] <jtv> (Well unless I can do it to somebody _else_ of course.  Or is that what you meant?)
[15:18] <blake_r> jtv: you got it correct the first time!
[18:15] <l1l> what is the best way to get nodes setup with vlans?
[18:52] <l1l> if a node is declared, then attaching a network to it.. do the vlans get pushed into the preseed?


[03:17] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:04] <jsgotangco> hi Burgundavia
[05:05] <Burgundavia> salut
[05:35] <jsgotangco> brb /reboot to test kubuntu
[05:57] <jsgotangco> im sorry i am now a Konvert
[05:58] <Burgundavia> bah
[05:58] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:50] <froud> African Greetings
[07:53] <Burgundavia> salut
[07:58] <Burgundavia> froud, what is the longterm plan for the svn repo in terms of branches and trunk?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> I  am little confused
[07:58] <froud> what's the problem
[07:58] <Burgundavia> nothing, just looking for info
[07:58] <froud> When I am finished in branch I will merge to trunk
[07:58] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:58] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:59] <Burgundavia> that is what I thought
[07:59] <froud> in the interim people can continue working on trunk
[07:59] <Burgundavia> for new stuff, should I check into the branches?
[07:59] <froud> you can work in either branch or trunk
[07:59] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:59] <froud> it's up to you
[08:00] <froud> I did it in branches so as not to disrupt the trunk
[08:00] <froud> it gets confusing when your document keeps moving around
[08:04] <Burgundavia> oh crap
[08:04] <Burgundavia> I think I just made a huge huge error
[08:05] <froud> what error
[08:05] <Burgundavia> my gpg key
[08:05] <froud> what about it
[08:14] <froud> hmmm, no just your public key
[08:37] <jsgotangco> hail froud
[08:38] <jsgotangco> i have been konquered
[08:49] <Burgundavia> bah
[08:50] <froud> jsgotangco: welcome
[08:51] <froud> jsgotangco: isn't kde just a pleasure to work with after working with an arcain desktop like gnome?
[08:58] <jsgotangco> aye my desktop is much snappier now i noticed and the fonts are good
[08:58] <jsgotangco> but where oh where is my esvn shortcut?
[08:59] <froud> under development?
[08:59] <jsgotangco> i only have bluefish
[08:59] <jsgotangco> hrrmm
[08:59] <jsgotangco> ill just add a manual link
[08:59] <froud> can do
[08:59] <froud> I normally add eSvn to th ekicker
[09:00] <jsgotangco> jeezz kde 3.4 is just miles ahead
[09:00] <froud> I know
[09:00] <jsgotangco> riddell just did something that surpassed ubuntu gnome imo
[09:01] <froud> btw did you know that in konqueror you can just do media://
[09:01] <froud> yeah Riddle is good, been with KDE for long
[09:02] <froud> The HAL Layer integration is really cool
[09:02] <jsgotangco> ill most likely keep this and help out with kubuntu
[09:03] <jsgotangco> but the kicker says 5.4
[09:03] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:03] <jsgotangco> not 5.04
[09:03] <froud> Brilliant, I need doc members for kde docs
[09:03] <froud> yeah seems we weren't the only ones who got it wrong :-)
[09:03] <froud> but we fixed it
[09:12] <jsgotangco> froud: when do we get action into branch when breezy opens i guess?
[09:13] <froud> we dont action in branch
[09:13] <jsgotangco> we still do trunk?
[09:13] <froud> we are just making changes to our structure there
[09:13] <froud> I will merge back into trunk
[09:13] <froud> and then we work in trunk
[09:14] <jsgotangco> hmmm so i guess theres no use in keeping my wc of branch here
[09:14] <froud> well if you want to work on the branch you must keep it
[09:14] <froud> if not then rm
[09:15] <froud> if you did a checkout from repos/ then the restructure branch will disappear when I merge to trunk
[09:16] <jsgotangco> i did make a checkout
[09:17] <froud> form where, the branches/ or the repos/
[09:17] <froud> when you do checkout from repos/ you get the tags/ branches/ trunk/ vendor/ directories
[09:18] <jsgotangco> repos/branches/restructure
[09:18] <jsgotangco> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/restructure
[09:18] <froud> OK so that means if you are not going to work on branch that you will not need it
[09:19] <jsgotangco> what work is there to do in branch anyway?
[09:19] <froud> just the restructure stuff
[09:19] <jsgotangco> ok ill just remove this then
[09:19] <froud> sure
[09:41] <jsgotangco> you forgot your keys?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> no, even stupider
[09:43] <Burgundavia> I reinstalled, that is all you should need to know
[09:49] <jsgotangco> arrgghhh
[09:51] <Burgundavia> luckily, I have a revoking cert, and nobody has signed it yet
[10:40] <Kinnison> Morning all
[10:40] <froud> morn
[10:40] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: silly moo
[10:48] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison
[10:48] <Burgundavia> better to learn now then later
[10:49] <Kinnison> Or rather, $60 so that you have one which won't die
[10:52] <jsgotangco> HI
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i use the Buffalo brand made in japan
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i once left it in the dash of my car on midday and i thought it was fried
[10:53] <jsgotangco> but it still works
[10:55] <Burgundavia> a had one that survived the washing machine long enough for me to raw dump the data off of it
[10:57] <jsgotangco> jeezz im beginning to love KDE more
[10:57] <jsgotangco> somebody slap me before i become one of them
[10:57] <Burgundavia> resist the dark side my son
[10:58] <froud> leave him alone before I set Kongi on you
[10:58] <Burgundavia> 3 feet tall and all fight. My gnomes will take your dragon any day
[10:58] <froud> breath of fire
[10:59] <Burgundavia> evasion
[10:59] <froud> dynamite comes in small packages
[11:01] <jsgotangco> why oh why Konqueror is more superior on browsing samba shares than nautilus
[11:01] <Burgundavia> Nautilus is semi-crap
[11:01] <jsgotangco> -1
[11:55] <jsgotangco> hello
[11:55] <mdke> hi all
[11:55] <jsgotangco> hi mdke
[11:55] <jsgotangco> i got Konquered
[11:55] <froud> mdke: hello
[11:55] <mdke> hi froud, jsgotangco
[11:56] <froud> hope you are well after yesterdays teasing :-)
[11:56] <mdke> good thanks :)
[11:56] <jsgotangco> nyahaha
[11:56] <mdke> you?
[11:56] <froud> good
[11:56] <jsgotangco> i should have saved the logs
[11:56] <mdke> jsgotangco, i have em
[11:56] <jsgotangco> woohooo proof of treason eh?
[11:56] <mdke> i always log ;)
[11:57] <mdke> plus boglot has em too
[11:57] <jsgotangco> ooohhh
[11:57] <jsgotangco> i didnt know that
[11:57] <mdke> heh
[11:57] <mdke> he does lots of channels
[11:58] <mdke> its a cool service
[11:58] <jsgotangco> hmmm launchpad is borked?
[11:58] <mdke> yes
[11:58] <mdke> they are updating
[11:58] <mdke> yay!
[11:59] <jsgotangco> 502 Bad Gateway
[12:02] <mdke> yeap
[12:08] <jsgotangco> mdke i cant see you in the map did you add yourself?
[12:08] <mdke> heh
[12:08] <mdke> difficult to find us europeans on the map
[12:09] <jsgotangco> yah
[12:09] <mdke> you should be able to find me on the list tho
[12:09] <jsgotangco> i have my dot for myself
[12:09] <mdke> i reckon i've got to be the closest to 0 longtitude
[03:22] <jjesse> wow lots of updates over the weekend it seems
[04:34] <jjesse> exit
[07:13] <carlos> hi
[07:17] <Flonne> Hi.
[07:24] <jjesse> hello
[07:26] <mdke> hi carlos Flonne jjesse daven
[07:30] <mdke> hi sdoyle
[07:31] <sdoyle> hey
[07:35] <daven> hiya
[08:26] <mdke> hi Cturtle claude :)
[08:30] <carlos> mdke: I will need some help with the FAQ format. I'm not too used to wiki (at least Ubuntu's wiki does not work as the one I usually work with)
[08:30] <mdke> carlos, i'd be really happy to help finally
[08:30] <carlos> mdke: how could I get some love from ubuntu-doc?
[08:31] <carlos> mdke: thank you
[08:31] <mdke> carlos, just dump it in plain text and i'll clear it up
[08:31] <mdke> carlos, or if you prefer, just ask questions :)
[08:31] <carlos> feel free to improve the English text also :-)
[08:31] <mdke> mate your english is great
[08:32] <carlos> mdke: I don't have time to fight with it now, if you can add some formatting to the current faq, I will learn from it
[08:32] <mdke> carlos, be happy to
[08:32] <carlos> mdke: thank you
[08:34] <mdke> carlos, is it done already?
[08:34] <carlos> yes
[08:34] <carlos> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaFAQs
[08:34] <mdke> ok
[08:35] <claude> Rosetta FAQ ? great :)
[08:37] <carlos> claude: I'm tired to answer always the same questions at rosetta-users :-)
[08:37] <mdke> yeah its a good idea
[08:37] <claude> +1
[08:37] <mdke> heh
[08:38] <carlos> feel free to add anything there, if you don't know the answer, add the question and point me to it so I will try to answer it, ok?
[08:38] <claude> carlos: what about the languages variations (French, French(France), ...) ?
[08:38] <carlos> claude: yeah, I need to add it also there
[08:38] <mdke> i'll add a link to RosettaWishList
[08:38] <carlos> until we implement a way to restrict it in Rosetta
[08:39] <carlos> mdke: perfect, thanks
[08:47] <mdke> carlos, ok i've done a bit, its not exactly beautiful but hopefully it'll do
[08:48] <daven> wow - the formatting makes quite a difference! :)
[08:49] <carlos> mdke: it looks better than mine :-). Thank you!
[08:49] <daven> if only i knew what rosetta was i'd understand what a good FAQ it was :)
[08:49] <daven> i think i need to read a different faq to find out what rosetta is ;-)
[08:50] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta?
[08:50] <carlos> daven: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/+about
[08:50] <daven> gah! very good :) i really do just need to sit down and read!
[08:51] <daven> carlos, did you write your faq from scratch?
[08:52] <carlos> daven: from an email I sent to rosetta-users about two hours ago, why?
[08:53] <daven> carlos, i was just thinking that your english is good for a non-native
[08:53] <carlos> daven: thanks
[08:53] <mdke> :)
[08:58] <carlos> mdke: is there any way to add a list of all questions on the top with links to the answers under that list?
[08:58] <mdke> fraid not
[08:58] <carlos> ok
[08:58] <mdke> carlos, there is no anchoring in our wiki yet for Moin
[08:58] <mdke> :/
[09:02] <carlos> don't worry, I suppose we should split the faq into different pages when they grow too much.
[09:11] <carlos> mdke: any way to remove the "subtopics" links at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rosetta ?
[09:11] <carlos> those links are already integrated into that page
[09:12] <mdke> no fraid not
[09:12] <mdke> its just the parenting system
[09:12] <carlos> ok
[09:12] <carlos> and last question for today :-)
[09:12] <mdke> shoot
[09:12] <carlos> RosettaFAQs or RosettaFAQ? what's better ?
[09:13] <mdke> heh
[09:13] <mdke> good question
[09:13] <mdke> my opinion is FAQ, but that is only my personal opinion
[09:13] <mdke> i don't think it matters much tbh :)
[09:14] <carlos> Then, if people complains will change it  :-)
[09:14] <mdke> ok
[10:04] <sm> hey mdke, all
[10:06] <mdke> hey stranger :)
[10:06] <mdke> nice to see ya
[10:07] <mdke> sm, get my email about those icons?
[10:10] <sm> I did.. I'll do that now
[10:10] <mdke> yay
[10:14] <sm> iirc I just rename these to UserConfigPic.png, UserConfigPic2.png ?
[10:14] <sm> done
[10:14] <mdke> sm, thanks
[10:14] <mdke> sm, how you been?
[10:15] <sm> very good thanks.. and yourself ?
[10:15] <mdke> fine ty
[10:15] <sm> have been away from ubuntu site for a bit
[10:15] <sm> it's looking better now :)
[10:16] <mdke> yeah its pretty
[10:16] <mdke> still b0rked tho
[10:16] <sm> in what ways
[10:16] <mdke> well that redirect thing, and the cache stuff
[10:16] <sm> yeah.. :/
[10:16] <sm> I have a lot of list traffic to catch up on.. do you happen to know the status of FrontPage ?
[10:17] <sm> was the right one ever recovered ?
[10:17] <mdke> yes
[10:17] <mdke> it was rewritten
[10:17] <mdke> by that nice lady at canonical
[10:17] <mdke> i guess its not recoverable from recycle_bin because there is already an older one there?
[10:18] <sm> it looks good
[10:18] <sm> when a page is deleted more than once, multiple copies pile up in the recycle_bin.. FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage, copy_of_FrontPage_2...
[10:18] <mdke> hmm
[10:19] <sm> I'm guessing all versions are in there
[10:19] <mdke> does the lady at canonical know that?
[10:19] <sm> I do not know
[10:19] <sm> the current looks about the best I've seen it, organization wise
[10:20] <mdke> still need to sort UserDocumentation
[10:20] <mdke> but I didn't have any feedback on the reorganisation thread so I may try and bump it again
[10:21] <sm> think I'll remove rename/reparent permission from FrontPage as well as delete
[10:21] <mdke> oh cool good idea
[10:21] <sm> sooner or later someone would rename, more time wasted
[10:22] <mdke> whenever pages are lost its normally because they get renamed
[10:22] <mdke> and turned into a userpage ;)
[10:24] <sm> 3000 edits in the last two weeks
[10:24] <mdke> yeah i had some trouble downloading too
[10:25] <mdke> gmail pop access was aching and groaning
[10:26] <mdke> i don't know much about email
[10:26] <mdke> i need to investigate further
[10:26] <sm> you must be a moin markup expert by now, eh
[10:27] <sm> did you know it when you started ?
[10:28] <mdke> no but its quite simple right?
[10:28] <sm> I guess so
[10:28] <sm> what's your opinion of it now ?
[10:28] <mdke> actually i don't do anything complicated
[10:28] <sm> I've never really learned it
[10:28] <mdke> its fine, pretty simple
[10:29] <mdke> have there been any zwiki upgrades in our wiki?
[10:32] <sm> I got one done a couple of weeks ago
[10:32] <sm> http://zwiki.org/FrontPage/zwiki_version
[10:32] <mdke> moin macros aren't supported are they?
[10:32] <sm> no
[10:33] <sm> http://zwiki.org/ReleaseNotes
[10:33] <mdke> is that because you don't support it upstream or it just isn't activated?
[10:33] <sm> I think we were running 0.34
[10:33] <mdke> *cliks*
[10:33] <sm> it isn't supported in the code
[10:33] <sm> ie work needed
[10:33] <mdke> ok
[10:33] <mdke> 0.39 here
[10:33] <mdke> have you seen the UbuntuDownUnder breakaway wiki?
[10:34] <sm> not yet
[10:34] <mdke> i'm not entirely sure what the reason behind trying a new one out is, or what the intention is for the future
[10:37] <sm> is anyone ever.. :)
[10:37] <claude> maybe zwiki too sluggish
[10:38] <sm> is the new plone skin any better speedwise  ?
[10:39] <mdke> i thought it was the same
[10:39] <mdke> oh the new skin
[10:39] <mdke> a bit better
[10:40] <mdke> but its not that slow, and the effort involved in migrating might not justify it
[10:40] <mdke> i think the site is just quite slow in general
[10:40] <claude> zope based :(
[10:41] <claude> good app server when apache in front
[10:41] <claude> but slow when many edits
[10:42] <sm> claude, have you tried alt = ?
[10:43] <claude> alt = ?? do you mean other app servers ?
[10:43] <mdke> try pressing alt and =
[10:43] <sm> it's a faster skin
[10:44] <claude> oh...
[10:44] <sm> to change back, you'll need to use http://www.ubuntulinux.org/personalize_form
[10:45] <claude> k
[10:45] <sm> and you'll need to reload pages if you don't see it, etc.. described at WikiTips
[10:45] <mdke> sm, the other day I was having issues with zopeedit, same as before
[10:45] <mdke> seems like its not with all pages tho
[10:45] <sm> I'd like to see it
[10:46] <mdke> i'll install it on this box and give it a try, see if I can find some pages that don't work
[10:49] <mdke> actually no i'll brb on my lappy
[10:51] <sm> the site does seem very sluggish right now
[10:52] <sm> well.. intermittently
[10:53] <mdke> yeah i think its a hangover from the ISP issues they've had after release
[10:53] <sm> seems ok now
[10:53] <sm> after a zope restart, things are slow until you visit a few pages and warm up the cache
[10:56] <mdke> still slow here
[10:58] <mdke> sm, ok getting that error with zopeedit now
[10:58] <mdke> currently editing http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocaleConf
[11:00] <sm> let me know when to try.. it's locked right now
[11:00] <mdke> i'll exit
[11:01] <sm> also see if you edit again, do you still get it
[11:02] <mdke> yes
[11:02] <mdke> just tried now
[11:02] <sm> what's the error.. popup when you try to save ?
[11:03] <mdke> http://mdke.mine.nu/images/zopeedit.png
[11:03] <mdke> yeah
[11:10] <sm> site is sloow
[11:10] <sm> my edit worked fine
[11:10] <sm> can you try another
[11:10] <mdke> same page?
[11:10] <sm> yup
[11:10] <sm> I added test at the bottom.. try removing that
[11:12] <mdke> still fails
[11:12] <mdke> lemme reload the page and try
[11:14] <mdke> sm, now when I open it, i don't see your "test" in gedit, even though i see it on the page
[11:14] <sm> bah, caching trouble
[11:14] <sm> what if you shift reload in your browser.. then ext edit again ?
[11:14] <mdke> yeah that's what I did
[11:14] <mdke> fine on the page, not on the editor
[11:15] <sm> what if you remove the temporary extedit file(s) in /tm
[11:15] <sm>  /tmp
[11:15] <mdke> matt@kallisto:~$ rm /tmp/tmp
[11:15] <mdke> tmp0cEyPx-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html
[11:15] <mdke> tmp_aq0_i-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~
[11:15] <mdke> tmpjsDfMS-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~
[11:15] <mdke> tmpsQJSiR-www.ubuntulinux.org,wiki,LocaleConf.html~
[11:15] <mdke> deleting and trying again
[11:16] <mdke> lol still don't see your "test" at the bottom
[11:18] <sm> I don't know why your external edit script doesn't see the latest and mine does
[11:18] <sm> any stray ext edit processes running ?
[11:19] <sm> quit & restart browser ?
[11:22] <mdke> that's done it
[11:22] <sm> firefox not downloading a fresh copy for extedit ?
[11:22] <mdke> weird
[11:22] <mdke> do you use firefox?
[11:22] <sm> I've seen that in other circumstances, rarely
[11:22] <sm> yes
[11:23] <mdke> removing the edit has worked
[11:23] <mdke> is it possible that taking a certain amount of time might cause it not to work, or maybe making a certain amount of changes?
[11:23] <sm> I don't think so
[11:23] <mdke> lemme try again
[11:23] <sm> I think we must chalk that up to the caching setup
[11:24] <mdke> i just changed it to moin and it worked
[11:24] <mdke> i reckon its the time taken
[11:25] <sm> I think you just got a stale copy from one of the alternate ubuntu zeo clients, squid hosts or whatever it is
[11:25] <sm> and firefox lost track of which was latest
[11:25] <mdke> but that's the first time I tried to edit that page
[11:26] <sm> doesn't matter
[11:26] <mdke> ok now it seems like all the edits are working
[11:26] <sm> you can visit a page for the first time and get a slightly stale copy
[11:26] <sm> it's just the way they have things set up there
[11:26] <mdke> can we do anything about it?
[11:26] <mdke> is it worth filing a bug?
[11:26] <sm> I think it's in bugzilla
[11:27] <sm> getting anything done about it in the near future seems unlikely
[11:27] <mdke> i have to say I'm not impressed at all with the speed of dealing with website bugs in bugzilla
[11:27] <sm> I would try to get the single-consistent-url issue resolved first
[11:27] <mdke> the bugs don't get assigned and no one responds
[11:27] <sm> yup
[11:28] <sm> I think there's noone assigned to such work
[11:28] <sm> and they're hard
[11:28] <mdke> hmm
[11:28] <mdke> shame
[11:28] <mdke> because now our website looks good, it is a shame that it is unprofessional
[11:29] <sm> also the people with access and the people with know-how are different
[11:29] <sm> yes, it is a shame
[11:29] <mdke> meh
[11:30] <mdke> is the technical board a reasonable place to raise such an issue do you think?
[11:30] <sm> I think as long as there's doubt about the continued use of plone, noone's going to spend further time on that particular issue
[11:30] <sm> I can imagine some would rather dump plone than spend further time on it :)
[11:33] <mdke> meh
[11:34] <mdke> ever thought about applying for a fulltime job with canonical?
[11:35] <sm> it crossed my mind
[11:36] <sm> not sure I'd be much help with that caching issue though
[11:36] <sm> I think if they do less caching, the site will not scale so well
[11:37] <mdke> i bet they need good webmasters tho
[11:37] <sm> afaik canonical has good plone/zope/squid people.. one anyway.. but they're being used for other things
[11:37] <mdke> oh right
[11:37] <mdke> so its just a question of manpower
[11:37] <sm> priorites, I guess
[11:38] <sm> I imagine it's hard to take people off hoary to optimise the website
[11:38] <mdke> well surely they keep OS developers and webmasters separate?
[11:38] <mdke> they are working a lot on launchpad right now i think
[11:42] <sm> what's launchpad ?
[11:43] <mdke> http://launchpad.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <mdke> it has a new bug reporting interface, and "Rosetta", a translating interface, and some other stuff
[11:46] <mdke> i wonder where to parent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/QuantumLogicCorporation
[11:46] <sm> I see
[11:47] <claude> cya
[11:47] <sm> see you
[11:48] <sm> mdke: doesn't seem ubuntu-specific.. probably would fit under a consultants/support page
[11:48] <mdke> its not ubuntu specific but its being built by ubuntu peeps i believe
[11:48] <sm> only an hour old though
[11:49] <mdke> oh sorry i thought you were talking about launchpad


[03:03] <duflu> racarr: Still around?
[03:17] <racarr> duflu: Si
[03:17] <racarr> whats up?
[03:17] <duflu> racarr: Heh, you shouldn't be still around :) ... I'm about to revert r2505 to fix tests crashing unless you can fix it directly?...
[03:18] <racarr> duflu: Go for it...I am playing Go -.-
[03:18] <duflu> racarr: Kay
[03:18] <racarr> Sorry :(
[03:19] <duflu> racarr: It's OK. You should be offline by now :)
[12:39] <sgx1> it seems that the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec is outdated. what are the current gaps for mir? any roadmap?
[13:06] <tvoss> sgx1, good point, taking an action to update it
[13:07] <tvoss> sgx1, in the meantime, what are you specifically interested in?
[13:11] <sgx1> window management, input method, security stuff and the current status of  toolkit(qt, gtk, etc) support.
[19:34] <gQuigs> trying to parse this bug (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694570) ,  current suggestion would be to add a dependency to libsm/libice,  is there a better way to do this going forward?
[19:34] <gQuigs> or is desktop environment specific dbus sessions the answer?


[05:05] <andrewlsd> Mornings
[05:23] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[06:30] <Kilos> wake up sleepy heads
[06:31] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[06:32] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos :)
[06:32] <pavlushka> Kilos: you are where?
[06:33] <Kilos> just had a shower, leave in 1 hour 30 mins for airport
[06:50] <Kilos> keep well everyone
[06:50] <Kilos> see you from za in 30 to 40 hours time
[09:51] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:58] <superfly> good evening inetpro
[10:07] <inetpro> hoe gaan dit superfly?
[10:37] <superfly> inetpro: kan nie klaar nie
[10:46] <inetpro> superfly: I guess you meant, "kan nie kla nie"? = can not complain
[10:47] <superfly> yeah, that one
[10:47] <inetpro> vs "kan nie klaar nie" = "can not finish"
[10:51] <superfly> indeed
[12:27] <theblazehen> Hi all
[12:53] <Xethron> Morning all
[13:07] <Xethron> If anyone is interested, I created a post on using unique database fields with soft deletes. Would love to hear your thoughts :) https://goo.gl/g6K0nK
[13:27] <theblazehen> Hi Xethron. Interesting.
[13:30] <Xethron> Thanks :)
[17:12] <kulelu88> hey superfly you around?
[17:55] <nsnzero> good evening all
[18:39] <pavlushka> good evening nsnzero
[18:41] <nsnzero> hi there pavlushka
[18:45] <pavlushka> nsnzero: how is it going for you ?
[18:56] <nsnzero> well still learning python - not satisfied with my progress
[19:10] <smile> see you later :)
[21:20] <superfly> kulelu88: I am now
[21:21] <kulelu88> aah okay, I got some answers already in the twisted channel superfly
[21:21] <superfly> kulelu88: they can probably answer you better anyways
[21:21] <kulelu88> superfly: trying to get async up and running is giving me grief


[00:47] <Meths> Hi, if I use bzr revert in a tree to test a previous revision how do I undo that revert to carry on from the latest revision?
[00:54] <jam> Meths: 'bzr revert'
[00:54] <jam> no args
[00:54] <jam> or 'bzr revert -r -1'
[00:56] <Meths> Ah, thanks.
[01:11] <eydaimon> I merged from branch1, committed. Made some checkins. Reverted back to a prior checkin before the merge form branch1 (deploy failed and committed the revert. Made changes in branch1 to fix issues, and now I need to merge branch1 again. However, only one file is actually merging over vs the intial 20+ files. What's happening ?
[01:11] <eydaimon> If it's clear what I want form that description (otherwise ask me to expand) how can I get it to do "what I want" ?
[01:23] <fullermd> Revert doesn't undo the commit [merge].  So you only have one more change (that one file) to merge, so that's all merge does.
[01:26] <eydaimon> so how can I do what I want?
[01:27] <fullermd> Well, you have to manually redo all the changes.
[01:27] <fullermd> FSVO 'manually', which includes automated manualiness like 'revert'.
[01:27] <eydaimon> bzr uncommit perhaps
[01:27] <eydaimon> ?
[01:28] <eydaimon> I can do bzr uncommit on the main branch
[01:28] <fullermd> Well, that would work too, backing up to before you did the revert, if you can throw away all those later revs.
[01:28] <eydaimon> yeah, that's fine to do
[01:28] <eydaimon> in this case
[01:28] <eydaimon> but what if that wasn't the case. I'd have to do it all manually?
[01:29] <fullermd> Depends on how much things have changed.  If not at all (in context), you could bzr diff | patch -R to undo the revert and restore all the changes.  You can use 'merge' against yourself to do the same sorta thing a bit smarter-like.
[01:31] <eydaimon> ok, I'm on revno 1198. I wish to go back to 1193
[01:31] <eydaimon> and then remerge with the branch
[01:31] <fullermd> And throw away 1194..1198?
[01:31] <eydaimon> 1194 was the merge with the branch
[01:31] <fullermd> Probably simplest to just use pull; somethine like `bzr pull --overwrite -r1193 .`
[01:31] <eydaimon> so I could go back there, check that in, and then merge the new changes to the branch
[01:31] <eydaimon> that may actually be the best
[01:33] <eydaimon> so if I issue the pull command, will I be able to remerge with the branch again?
[01:35] <fullermd> Yeah, since at that point you'd never meged that branch.
[01:35] <eydaimon> yeah, that worked well, thanks
[01:36] <eydaimon> in this case it was ok to throw away the changes after, but what if it wasn't ok? What if I needed 1998 ?
[01:36] <eydaimon> I appriciate your help btw :)
[01:36] <fullermd> Fiddling with merge against yourself or diff | patch to redo the changes.
[01:37] <eydaimon> so fairly painful, in other words
[01:37] <fullermd> Depending on how things got arranged, there are other possibilities involving really disgusting merge tricks.
[01:38] <eydaimon> i was hoping it would be fairly easy to roll back a change that failed badly in production
[01:38] <fullermd> Well, yes, with uncommit or pull to pop stuff off the top.
[01:38] <fullermd> But revert just makes WT changes, it doesn't "undo" anything.
[01:38] <eydaimon> yeah
[01:38] <eydaimon> so maybe I should uncommit even this time?
[01:39] <eydaimon> what's the cleanest, since uncommit is available?
[01:39] <fullermd> You did the same thing with pull.
[01:40] <eydaimon> ok, so it accomplished exactly the same thing, except made several "uncommits" easier
[01:40] <fullermd> The difference is in what happens with the WT.
[01:40] <eydaimon> the WT?
[01:40] <fullermd> With uncommit, the WT and state is left untouched.  So after you 'uncommit', you're exactly where you were before you ran 'commit'.  Pending file changes, add's, mv's, etc.
[01:41] <fullermd> If you used pull instead to back up to that previous rev, you'd be at the "clean" state for that rev.
[01:41] <fullermd> (well, not exactly, since pull would try and merge any uncommitted changes you had sitting around, but for simplicity...)
[01:41] <EdWyse_Office> I'm guessing WT=working tree?
[01:41] <fullermd> Da
[01:42] <eydaimon> so if I had no pending commits, doing the pull and several uncommits would result in the same state?
[01:44] <fullermd> A pull to the previous rev is roughly equivalent to "pull ; revert".
[01:45] <eydaimon> What would you do in my place?
[01:46] <eydaimon> bear in mind, there are several checkouts of trunk too
[01:46] <fullermd> I'm always in favor of running naked, screaming, and covered in blood through the streets.  It's cathartic.
[01:46] <eydaimon> not sure how I'm to deal with the checkouts yet
[01:46] <eydaimon> lol
[01:46] <eydaimon> i may try that before i'm through with this
[01:46] <eydaimon> good excuse to get rid of the cat anyway
[01:47] <fullermd> They'll probably require some work to back the checkouts up.
[01:51] <EdWyse_Office> What about doing a diff of your changes against the starting revision, then patching those diffs against trunk?
[01:52] <eydaimon> I'v ebeen screwing around with it
[01:52] <eydaimon> and I think I've got a solution
[01:53] <eydaimon> ok. yeah, looks good
[01:54] <eydaimon> I just did
[01:54] <eydaimon> bzr pull --overwrite -r 1193 .
[01:54] <eydaimon> and in the checkouts: bzr up && bzr revert
[01:56] <eydaimon> hm, maybe not so easy
[03:45] <parthm> the NEWS on trunk doesn't seem to have a date for 2.2b4. also there is no tag for 2.2b4 on trunk. is it branched?
[03:46] <parthm> oh. ok. my bad. 2.2 is in its own branch.
[06:22] <brylie> I am getting an error when I try to push to Launchpad: different rich-root support
[06:23] <brylie> I have searched for a solution to this problem and have tried 'bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack' to no avail.
[06:26] <brylie> What can I do to make the two repositories compatible? Is there a method I can use to make all subsequent local bzr repositories compatible with Launchpad by default?
[10:42] <jobu1342> http://webchat.freenode.net/
[17:06] <mathrick> hi
[17:07] <mathrick> is there a command to import all revs / heads from a shared repo?
[22:10] <jobu1342> has anyone successfully installed bzr on a bluehost server?
[22:13] <jobu1342> I'm interested in writing up an install guide, but I might need some help with the install


[08:35] <Fudge> is anyone running the accessibility team anymore since Luke's departure?
[09:06] <mwhudson> tsimonq2: looks like an upstream backport so seems like a good idea to get in i gues
[09:06] <mwhudson> s
[09:06] <mwhudson> ideally via debian but i guess that's harder rn


[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 are  there any negatives to including virtualbox guest additions by default in Kubuntu ISO? … The reason I ask is if they are included in the ISO then the LiveISO boot of Kubuntu would have Auto Display Resize built in by default which I think would add an improvement testing first impressions.
 Unfortunately yes. It's all about license stuff
 oh dang :(
 note, somehow Neon seems to have them. not sure how that matters
[15:32] <mparillo> Is it correct that the virtual box guest additions are not on the Live ISO, but somehow are on the installed VM? I do not recall installing them.
 on Neon, I just tested it in a VM that I have not installed, this is just running of LiveISO and it has "auto-resize guest display" enabled by default without the user doing anything. The only way to do this that I know of is to include the guest addition packages by default on the ISO. I know a few others do this as well.
 @MichaelTunnell, This already works by default, as the vbox guest additions kernel module had been included for quite a while now
 @RikMills, just tested today in Vbox 6.1 = does not work
 @MichaelTunnell, That is a bug in vbox, not kubuntu
 ahh gotcha
 well, not just vbox https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407058
 visualisers blame KDE. KDE blames visualisers = bug not fixed
 :(
 :( dang
 this is one reason I still use vbox 5.x git/svn snapshot
 ahh
 6.x had too many bugs for me from the start, and the extra features were not worth the hassle while 5.x is still supported with fixes
 good to know
 sadly most people will not 'know' :(
 as the bug (I think says) you can make 6.x work by switching the graphics backend emulation to one of the options not meant for linux, but vbox seem to not want to acknowledge that officially as it is not what they say should be supported.
 oh that is certainly unfortunate.
 honestly I do not understand the technical side of that enough to genuinely assign blame, but it is still the fact that users get the sh***y end of it
 indeed. and now that I understand the issue I dont have an issue with it not working in regards to Kubuntu but am aware that it will be problematic for a while for many.
 nothing can be done and thats unfortunate.
 I am making a modification to a suggestion for Kubuntu that I made a year ago related to changes in Plasma defaults. I came up with a new approach to why and how to do it. … so FYI I'm helpful again :D
 update complete = https://phabricator.kde.org/T10567
 oh wow, Neon doesnt even work in Vbox 6.1 at all just a empty black screen after initial plymouth
 @RikMills was my suggestion for Desktop Effect layout mode change to Automatic applied as a default in Kubuntu? … I dont remember if I changed it or not in this build.
 @MichaelTunnell, https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-settings/commit/?h=kubuntu_focal_archive&id=829327a314977f4b88b454fe49d608753fd323d6
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/FIHMKKeA/file_35915.mp4
 https://phabricator.kde.org/T13582 I made something :D … if KDE refuses to do this which of course I expect to happen, I'd also like to formally suggest Kubuntu do this


[04:10] <Redcowl> hello?
[06:26] <rostam> HI All, I am trying to port a proprietary kernel module which we have developed in house on an embedded systtem running an embedded linux. I would like to be able compile/install this driver and ubuntu package? I was told on one of the channel I need to use dkms, Could anyone provide me with any url or hint how to do this? thanks
[07:29] <geirha> rostam: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DKMS
[12:43] <ms42145245> Hello, I need help with my audio.
[12:43] <ms42145245> I upgraded to 13.04, and It won't recognize the headphone jack on my monitor.
[16:24] <rostam> geriha: so dkms is the only way to compile kernel modules? thx
[16:51] <geirha> rostam: it's the sane way. It ensures that when a new kernel is installed, the module is automatically built for the new kernel.
[16:52] <geirha> So if you want it to be user friendly, you'll want that.
[16:54] <rostam> geirha: TO study how dkms works,I download couple of the dkms kernel module packages, e.g. broadcom-sta-dkms and backfire-dkrms.  I compiled those packages with the following command:  sudo debuild -uc -us   I did not find a .ko file to be produced. Am I missing something? thx
[16:54] <geirha> you shouldn't run debuild as root
[16:55] <geirha> The bi-product of debuild is a deb-package.
[16:55] <geirha> dpkg --contents ../the-package.deb
[17:02] <rostam> geirha:  Here are the content of the two deb files created still I do not see the .ko file: http://pastebin.com/ZqCqfi67
[17:04] <geirha> Hm. Possibly it gets built during package installation, then
[17:08] <rostam> As I am reading on dkrms, it seems it expect the source code to be installed on specific path:/usr...   I am developing build system for  a few developers which should be able to develop kernel modules in their own workspace on the same machine. I was wondering is dkrms configurable? thanks
[17:10] <geirha> Why not built it manually, and once it builds and works fine manually, add the dkms bit
[17:12] <rostam> geirha: Oh okay, that make sense to me, then I need to package them, this is the part dkms come to the picture?
[17:54] <geirha> Yes, at least that's how I understand the process
[18:19] <rostam> geirha: thanks for your information
[18:20] <rostam> To compile my private kernel module I need to download the kernel source .
[18:20] <rostam> Where could I download the precise (12.04 update 2) kernel source tree? thx
[18:21] <rostam> where/how ??
[18:34] <geirha> the headers should be sufficient
[18:35] <geirha> sudo apt-get install "linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
[18:35] <geirha> dpkg -L "linux-headers-$(uname -r)"  # to see where it installed the files
[18:40] <geirha> If you want the actual sources, there's always apt-get source linux-image-"$(uname -r)", but the headers package is meant to be used for building kernel modules
[18:40] <geirha> rostam: ^
[18:43] <rostam> geirha: thanks again, I downloaded the linux-headers-xxx and linux-image-xxx the both look like the same....
[18:44] <geirha> with apt-get source? yes, they both have the same source package...
[18:45] <geirha> you do not need the kernel sources to build a kernel module. You only need the headers
[18:46] <rostam> geirha: comming from embedded world, we always point the Makefile to the kernel source tree,  are there any url that you could point me please? thx
[18:52] <geirha> I don't know of any. Maybe google knows some, but I'd grab some sources of other packages and see how their makefiles does it
[18:58] <Unit193> !info virtualbox-dkms