[00:00] <fgera> I feel this is it :) http://pastie.org/3522327.js
[00:00] <ActionParsnip> gary_inNYC: what is the output of:  sudo lshw -C display; lsb_release -a; uname -a    use http://paste.ubuntu.com to hold the text please
[00:00] <fgera> or this also http://paste.ubuntu.com/869134/
[00:00] <ghost13> anyone messing with 12.04? how do you like it?
[00:00] <CFHowlett> !precise|ghost13
[00:01] <rudy691> can anyone help a complete n00b with 'error file not found, grub rescue' thingy ? PLEASE.
[00:01] <tendouser> [18:58] <tendouser> ok I have wepcrack aircrack compat-wireless and aircrack patch ...but still have -1 channel error ...what's going on?
[00:01] <jack> ghost13: works fine so far
[00:01] <tendouser> [18:59] <tendouser> plus mdk3 and crunch error compiling both
[00:01] <ghost13> i know what it is..been using ubuntu sence 5.04
[00:01] <tendouser> [18:59] <tendouser> i have oneiric kernel 3.0.0-16
[00:01] <ghost13> cool
[00:01] <rudy691> can anyone help a complete n00b with 'error file not found, grub rescue' thingy ? PLEASE.
[00:02] <gary_inNYC> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/869137/
[00:02] <CFHowlett> !patience|rudy691
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> gary_inNYC: you have no driver loaded for your ati chip. You may need an xorg.conf file to specify the display. Have you tried Oneiric? The later drivers and kernel may work better
[00:03] <tendouser> plus mdk3 and crunch error compiling both
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> fgera: your paste will look something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/869137/
[00:04] <fgera> ActionParsnip: ok.
[00:05] <shade34321> hmm...computer seems to be hanging at checking battery state on start up
[00:05] <shade34321> ?
[00:05] <TBCR> I need help
[00:05] <TBCR> Wired and wireless connections are not working
[00:06] <_Marcus> TBCR: Do you have a network card?
[00:06] <TBCR> Ya
[00:06] <_Marcus> TBCR: What Ubuntu version are you running?
[00:06] <TBCR> 10.04
[00:06] <johnnycr> hey all, I new to linux and I just installed 10.04 on a secondary desktop and I'm having trouble getting my usb wireless adapter to connect to my network.  I could really use some help.
[00:06] <gary_inNYC> ActionParsnip: haven't tried Oneiric.  think i'll wait for precise to come out
[00:06] <CFHowlett> TBCR   WAS it working ir is this a new install.
[00:07] <TBCR> New install
[00:07] <jonpavelich> johnnycr: What kind of wireless network?
[00:07]  * CFHowlett bets john has  a broadcom card...
[00:07] <waxstone_> shade34321:any recent changes to your system?
[00:07] <_Marcus> TBCR: Did you download the drivers for your cards?
[00:07] <TBCR> I cant
[00:07] <tendouser> I have Oneiric 3.0.0-16 thinkpad t61 lenovo ...i have installed wepcrack, aircrack-ng+patch & compat-wireless ...I get error compiling crunch-worlist and mdk3 and still got -1 channel bug in aircrack ...can someone help me??
[00:07] <_Marcus> TBCR: Why not?
[00:07] <CFHowlett> tendouser   aircrack is not supported on this channel.
[00:08] <TBCR> Cant connect
[00:08] <_Marcus> tendouser: You should try aircrack's IRC channel
[00:08] <shade34321> waxstone_, new install that wasn't showing x at first or virutal terminals, then let me in virtual terminals, then updates...so a few:)
[00:08] <TBCR> Cant download on phone
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> gary_inNYC: its in beta1 right now, could try the liveCD
[00:08] <TBCR> File too big
[00:08] <_Marcus> TBCR: Oh.
[00:08] <shade34321> waxstone_, manually updating some packages now to see if it helps
[00:08] <johnnycr> jonpavelich, it's my home network
[00:08] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   in a terminal type the following then paste the output    lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> TBCR: what file system does the phone storage use?
[00:08] <Canadian1296> johnnycr: Listen to CFHowlett
[00:09] <_Marcus> TBCR: Does your phone have a tethering option? If so, you could temporarily hook it up to your computer for a connection, just to download the file.
[00:09] <waxstone_> shade34321: this happened to me today with a bad grub command
[00:09] <TBCR> Cost extra
[00:09] <TBCR> Plus, not in phone package
[00:09] <_Marcus> TBCR: Hm. You should answer ActionParsnip's question.
[00:09] <shade34321> waxstone_, well that is helpful...i was messing with grub earlier...i will take out what i put in and go from there
[00:10] <TBCR> Android, not sure what it is
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> TBCR: if you use FAT32, you will have a maximum file size of 4Gb
[00:10] <johnnycr> CFHowlett, I didn't get any output
[00:10] <waxstone_> shade34321: good luck
[00:10] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   NO output?  NOTHING?
[00:10] <johnnycr> nothing
[00:10] <Canadian1296> CFHowlett: Does it need sudo?
[00:11] <rudy691> can anyone help a complete n00b with 'error file not found, grub rescue' thingy ? PLEASE.
[00:11] <TBCR> What is the max for android phones
[00:11] <KM0201> if it's fdisk, yes it does... sudo fdisk -l
[00:11] <KM0201> fdisk returns no output w/o sudo
[00:11] <CFHowlett> johnnycr  shouldn't need to to do it this way but try this instead sudo lpsci -vvnn | grep 14e4
[00:11] <shade34321> waxstone_, and a no go...though I can still get into virtual terminals
[00:11] <KM0201> CFHowlett: that shouldn't need sudo
[00:12] <johnnycr> CFHowlett, I still get nothing
[00:12] <CFHowlett> KM0201   exactly but he got NO output so I'm just wondering
[00:12] <tendouser_> how do i get and invitation to aircrack channel?
[00:12] <KM0201> CFHowlett: he probably typed it wrong
[00:12] <CFHowlett> tendouser_   we don't know ...
[00:12] <johnnycr> there is a space before and after "|" correct?
[00:12] <zykotic10> !register | tendouser_
[00:13] <tomvolek> is there a command to see if i am using ststic ip or dhcp ?
[00:13] <_Marcus> TBCR: I don't know what your Android is using, but by default they use YAFFS. I don't know how much the max is for that either
[00:13] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   copy and paste the following to your terminal  lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4
[00:13] <KM0201> CFHowlett: which broadcom does he have that you guys are trying to get working?
[00:13] <waxstone_> shade34321: bah.. thats all I got sry.
[00:13] <CFHowlett> KM0201   still trying to identify the card - might not even be broadcom
[00:13] <KM0201> CFHowlett: lspci?  no need to make it more complicated than it needs to be
[00:13] <shade34321> waxstone_, it's cool...thanks though:)
[00:13] <johnnycr> CFHowlett, I'm on my windows machine so I can't copy paste to terminal from here
[00:14] <TBCR> =/
[00:14] <KM0201> johnnycr: just type lspci and hit enter... find your wireless device in the output
[00:14] <shade34321> I will keep working on it and finagling with it until i get pissed off enough to do another reinstall:)
[00:14] <zykotic10> tomvolek: not that i'm aware of... are you using network-manager?
[00:14] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   ok, type in anything after "Broadcom" if that term is present
[00:14] <KM0201> it should be fairly recognizable
[00:15] <philip__> Hello. I'm using devede 3.21 and i'm  getting the spumux bug when trying to create dvd from mkv container with subs in it. It won't let me attach external subs either. Any ideas?
[00:15] <CFHowlett> philip_ ask in #ubuntustudio and #ubuntustudio-devel as well
[00:15] <johnnycr> no broadcom, but I got "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)"
[00:16] <KM0201> johnnycr: that is your ethernet port
[00:16] <johnnycr> yea, so it looks like my usb adapter isn't even detected
[00:16] <KM0201> lol, you didn't say it was usb
[00:16] <KM0201> try lsusb
[00:16] <zykotic10> johnnycr: try "lsusb"
[00:16] <philip__> Ok i'll do that. Thanks CFHowlett.
[00:17] <FunkyBob> morning, all...
[00:17] <KM0201> if it's USB, i'm guessing it's probably a ralink
[00:17] <CFHowlett> philp_ also the ubuntustudio or ubuntu multimedia forums
[00:17] <CFHowlett> FunkyBob   greetings
[00:17] <KM0201> *realtek
[00:17] <FunkyBob> is there a reason /usr/lib/libz.so and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so are recursive symlinks to each other?
[00:17] <johnnycr> I got my mouse and one that says "ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp."
[00:17] <FunkyBob> instead of pointing to /lib/
[00:17]  * KM0201 wins a prize
[00:17] <KM0201> lol
[00:18] <KM0201> johnnycr: what version of ubuntu are you using?  Realtek usually "just works" in my experience?
[00:18] <johnnycr> I'm using 10.04
[00:18] <KM0201> well, that explains that
[00:18] <johnnycr> should I try 11.10 instead?
[00:18] <KM0201> why don't you try 11.10, see if that solves your problem
[00:19] <KM0201> but be prepared to battle unity... lol
[00:19] <johnnycr> I know... that's why I went with 10.04 first
[00:19] <FunkyBob> looking at apt sources, i appear t obe using oneiric
[00:19] <FunkyBob> and the zlib package is: Version: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-3ubuntu3
[00:19] <johnnycr> is unity not optional?
[00:19] <KM0201> johnnycr: well, there's other options than Ubuntu, you could try Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu...
[00:20] <johnnycr> those are just different GUIs correct?
[00:20]  * KM0201 loves Lubuntu
[00:20] <johnnycr> instead of GNOME or Unity?
[00:20] <KM0201> johnnycr: more or less, yes.
[00:20] <KM0201> Kubuntu=KDE, Xubuntu=XFCE, Lubuntu=LXDE
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> TBCR: the max depends on the format of the storage, not the OS
[00:20] <h4ckm3> Lubuntu ftw!
[00:20] <johnnycr> my machine is only 2.0ghz dual core with 2gb ram... are those going to run well?
[00:21] <h4ckm3> lubuntu is the lightest
[00:21] <ActionParsnip> johnnycr: thats more than anything I have, it'll run well
[00:21] <FunkyBob> guess I'll just report the bug through the web
[00:21] <KM0201> johnnycr: KDE will be the slowest, Lubuntu will freaking fly on that machine.
[00:21] <aaron_ed> hi, i just installed ubuntu 10.04 onto my new laptop and it isn't recognizing my network cards, wireless or ethernet (Atheros AR8152 and Realtek RTL8188CE).  does anyone know where to find the correct drivers?
[00:21] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   lubuntu and xubuntu are designed for older or lower spec machines like yours.
[00:21] <quantumlemur> hey, I'm on a thinkpad T420s with a displayport, and when I boot the computer with the cable already plugged in, it detects it as an audio output, and everything works.  But when I plug it in after I'm already logged in, it doesn't get detected.  Is there a way to force a rescan?
[00:21] <h4ckm3> very fast
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: could even just use openbox, even lighter :)
[00:22] <Xeneth_studying> Hello people.
[00:22] <AcidRain> i have a laptop dm4-3055dx that i installed ubuntu 10.4.4 on, no sound, no wireless. anyone know why?
[00:22] <shade34321> think I may use the terminal to much...I just tried to tab complete a google search:/
[00:22] <johnnycr> is lubuntu not officially ubuntu?
[00:22] <cowlicks> Why would the kubuntu alterate ISO not install kubuntu-desktop by default? -__-
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> johnnycr: lubuntu is now an official release
[00:22] <johnnycr> oh, okay
[00:22] <KM0201> johnnycr: yes, now it is
[00:22] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   it IS officially ubuntu just different flavort
[00:22] <CFHowlett> *flavor*
[00:23] <johnnycr> i'll look at lubuntu and xubuntu
[00:23] <CFHowlett> aaron_ed   see this http://www.chayx.net/2011/06/how-to-install-realtek-rtl8188ce-wifi-drivers-thinkpad-edge-13-on-ubuntu-natty-1104.html
[00:23] <AcidRain> why would linux not detect sound card or wireless card?
[00:23] <johnnycr> xubuntu looks similar to mac osx
[00:23] <KM0201> the newest version of xfce, was a huge disappointment
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> AcidRain: config
[00:24] <KM0201> johnnycr: lxde has a sexy simplicity, that you just have to use to appreciate... http://imagebin.org/202029
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> AcidRain: is the system a laptop?
[00:24] <Xeneth_studying> AcidRain, Guessing that the drivers are not built in.
[00:24] <nsadmin> I've been wanting to see this unity thing, and I was under the impression it does 3d stuff which I'm not sure my vid supports... can someone help me to explore whether and how it's supported?
[00:24] <AcidRain> ActionParsnip: yes its a laptop
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> AcidRain: grab a wired connection and get fully updated. Should help
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: johnnycr: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/Desktop.png
[00:25] <johnnycr> should i go for desktop lubuntu or alternate or minimal?
[00:25] <AcidRain> ActionParsnip: ok hang on. ill brb. disconnecting from here
[00:25] <fgera> http://pastie.org/3522447.js
[00:25] <KM0201> johnnycr: desktop (it's a live cd so you can try it from the cd/usb.. to test your wireless)
[00:26] <damianstudios> hola
[00:26] <fgera> http://paste.ubuntu.com/869177/
[00:26] <paku> This is for the decision makers at Ubuntu: I disliked Unity and planned to migrate to KDE, but playing with the 12beta, I have to say I'm starting to see the light. It's well designed.
[00:26] <johnnycr> also... I have an AMD 64 x2 processor, so should I download the x86 version or the 64-bit AMD64 version?
[00:26] <nsadmin> my video from lspci is: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] [1002:9712]
[00:27] <KM0201> johnnycr: either one, you only have 2gigs of ram though, so i'd just go w/ the 32bit
[00:27] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   desktop and alternate install the same thing.  alternate is a text based installer to bypass common display issues while installing.
[00:27] <damianstudios> alguien escribe español
[00:27] <nsadmin> !es
[00:27] <fgera> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/869177/ at last I've got it
[00:27] <waxstone_> nsadmin: try the livecd, I think you can sample unity with it
[00:27] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   64 if you have > 4gigs of fam
[00:27] <CFHowlett> *ram*
[00:28] <johnnycr> thanks, I guess I'll go with x86 then
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> fgera: ok, if you run:  sudo nvidia-xconfig     then reboot, is it better?If not you can drop to root recovery mode (if you get no desktop) and rename or delete the file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:28] <KM0201> johnnycr: yeah, really if you don't have over 4gigs of ram, you don't get a lot of benefit of 64bit, and lxde is so fast, you'll feel like you're using 64bit anyway..lol
[00:28] <nsadmin> hmm, can I make a disk partition to boot that? at the moment I have no cd write capability, but I do have a 2tb usb/sata hd that's connected with esata
[00:29] <johnnycr> Now I play the waiting game... I might be back in 45min or so if my wireless still won't work :)
[00:29] <KM0201> johnnycr: i'm betting its going to
[00:29] <nsadmin> hmm, and I also have a ubuntu I'm not running at the moment which I suppose I could upgrade
[00:29] <damianstudios> alguien escribe en español?
[00:29] <damianstudios> que lata
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> !es
[00:29] <CFHowlett> !es|damianstudios
[00:29] <KM0201> johnnycr: i have a very very very new Ralink in my laptop, and it doesn't work in 11.10, but i installed 12.04 (which is still beta) and it works flawlessly
[00:30] <damianstudios> soy nuevo en ubuntu y estoy mas perdido que eneno en procesion
[00:30] <johnnycr> KM0201, I guess I'll give 12.04 a shot if 11.10 doesn't work
[00:30] <damianstudios> gracias ubottu
[00:31] <fgera> ActionParsnip: I'll try and see what happen
[00:31] <fgera> thanks
[00:31] <johnnycr> Are there any websites that will help me to get introduced to using linux terminal and bash codes and such while I'm waiting?
[00:31] <KM0201> johnnycr: well, you might want to venture to 12.04 very carefully, it's still beta and if you're not experienced troubleshooting problems, you could have some problems you may not be able to overcome (although thus far, it has been flawless for me)
[00:31] <KM0201> !manual | johnnycr take a looksie, it's good newb information..
[00:31] <symptom> I heard that kbuntu will no longer receive support from canonical.  Will Ubuntu still have the KDE desktop in their repos going forward? and the "support" means they wont have ubuntu specific art? right?
[00:31] <nsadmin> johnnycr, learning the bash shell is pretty involved... just give it time
[00:31] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   I wouldn't do 12.04 until it's released...
[00:32] <johnnycr> KM0201 thanks for the manual link. Downloading now
[00:32] <pylaurent> I installed ubuntu11.10, and I deleted win7's loader before I installed it, and when I boot my laptop, I get "operating system not found", any idea?
[00:32] <shade34321> Alright back to my ubuntu problem....any idea why it would hang on checking battery state on start up...or anything I can check that'd be a little more helpful
[00:32] <taylor> ActionParsnip: this is acidrain. i installed updates and everything. wireless is still gone, and no sound
[00:32] <nsadmin> right, if you don't know your shell and how to work it, you're presently unable to take care of a 12.x
[00:32] <KM0201> johnnycr: i think its based on 10.04, but you'll find 99.9999% of it, still applies to 11.10
[00:32] <CFHowlett> symptom   the next version 12.04 of kubuntu will receive support for 5 years as it's LTS.  after that , it'll be up to the community to maintain just like xubuntu, lubuntu
[00:33] <Guest29707> i have checked to be sure that sound was not muted or anything.
[00:33] <KM0201> i thougth kubuntu was community maintained anyway?
[00:33] <Guest29707> ActionParsnip: do you have any other ideas on what could be causi9ng this?
[00:33] <KM0201> Guest29707: do you have pulse audio installed?
[00:33] <CFHowlett> KM0201   there was also canonical developer involvement
[00:33] <symptom> CFHowlett, Yes, but after 12.04 will I have to compile KDE from source?  or will it still be in the repos, just without the kbuntu wrapper?
[00:33] <KM0201> ah, ok.
[00:34] <KM0201> symptom: as long as the community maintains it, you should be able to download Kubuntu just like you always have
[00:34] <MOP> what does windoy key + r
[00:34] <Guest29707> KM0201: how can i tell if i have pulse audio installed?
[00:34] <CFHowlett> symptom   as I understand it, KDE exists outside of ubuntu - that's just the DE
[00:34] <wilfish> Does anyone know why the command line unzip utility would fail to extract a CPIO-style zip archive created on OSX 10.7?
[00:34] <symptom> because kbuntu is just kde with ubuntu specific art work and certain kde programs.
[00:34] <KM0201> Guest29707: in a terminal  sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[00:34] <maum> I cannot hear sound when screensaver activated
[00:34] <pylaurent> I installed ubuntu11.10, and I deleted win7's loader before I installed it, and when I boot my laptop, I get "operating system not found", could you please help me?
[00:34] <KM0201> yikes
[00:35] <Guest29707> KM0201: yes, its installed
[00:35] <symptom> CFHowlett, yes, but other distros allow you to simply install the KDE desktop via the package manager, will this be the same for ubuntu?
[00:35] <KM0201> pylaurent: does Ubuntu load?
[00:35] <KM0201> Guest29707: sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[00:35] <Guest29707> KM0201: now what is this?
[00:35] <KM0201> symptom: probably
[00:35] <Guest29707> i installed it
[00:35] <CFHowlett> symptom   I'd guess it'll be the same situation as you suggest
[00:35] <KM0201> Guest29707: "pavucontrol" (Pulse Audio volume control)
[00:36] <Guest29707> its installed. still no sound
[00:36] <KM0201> Guest29707: ok, now, go to the dashboard, and search for pulse audio, and you should see it, open it up
[00:36] <KM0201> Guest29707: listen...
[00:36] <killown> does anyone know if there is a daily  updated PPA for chromium? the chromiun-daily  has no updates for a lot weeks
[00:37] <Guest29707> KM0201: i am on the output device tab. still no sound
[00:37] <itaylor57> KM0201, o/
[00:37] <xangua> (18:31:58) symptom: I heard that kbuntu will no longer receive support from canonical. - you need to read again
[00:37] <xangua> http://is.gd/XMqraR Canonical will, from Kubuntu 12.10 onwards, provide backing for the KDE flavour in the same way as it does Xubuntu, Edbuntu, and Lubuntu – with infrastructure and resources rather than money.
[00:37] <KM0201> itaylor57: hey man,.,, :) o/
[00:37] <KM0201> Guest29707: click on the configuration tab
[00:37] <symptom> thanks xangua
[00:37] <Guest29707> KM0201: ok. now what? i only got like 3 options
[00:38] <KM0201> whats it set to now?
[00:38] <Guest29707> ANALOG STEREO DUPLEX
[00:38] <Guest29707> sry for caps :(
[00:38] <KM0201> hmm
[00:38] <KM0201> whats your sound device again?
[00:38] <Guest29707> KM0201: how do i check that?
[00:39] <pylaurent> KM0201: no
[00:39] <KM0201> pylaurent: ?
[00:39] <Guest29707> KM0201: i believe that the wireless card and sound card not working are both from the same issue
[00:39] <Guest29707> KM0201: ive never had a computer that i installed ubuntu on, fresh, work this poorly
[00:39] <KM0201> Guest29707: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[00:39] <Guest29707> KM0201: 10.04.4
[00:39] <KM0201> lol
[00:40] <Guest29707> KM0201: what? :/
[00:40] <KM0201> new computer>>3yr old OS... I'm gonna go buy a new laptop, and install Win 98, and expect everything to work!
[00:40] <pylaurent> KM0201: when I turn my laptop on, I just got nothing but "operating system not found"
[00:40] <Guest94515> whats the best prog to burn dvds with?
[00:41] <Guest29707> KM0201: so are you suggesting that if i installed 11.10 that it WILL work
[00:41] <Guest29707> KM0201: i just dont want to be forced into unity. i like the classic gnome desktop
[00:41] <KM0201> no, what i'm suggesting, is you have very new hardware apparently, on a 3yr old OS... what did you think was gonna happen?
[00:41] <KM0201> Guest29707: well, you're gonna get forced into it eventually anyway, so embrace the horror
[00:42] <Guest29707> KM0201: pfft. i refuse.
[00:42] <Guest29707> KM0201: but you are saying that this is for sure the cause?
[00:42] <KM0201> Guest29707: or, learn one of the other UI's... KDE, Xfce, LXDE.. there are options you know
[00:42] <maum> I cannot hear sound when screensaver activated
[00:42] <riddlebox> Guest29707, there is always xfce
[00:42] <KM0201> Guest29707: no, i'm putting 2 and 2 together
[00:42] <Guest29707> KM0201: -.- i will try again. burning 11.10 as we speak
[00:42] <Guest29707> ok, im going back to my server box
[00:43]  * KM0201 <3's ubuntu server
[00:43] <jayar> can i use brasero to burn dvd movies?
[00:43] <KM0201> pylaurent: answer your PM, we'll trouble shoot this privately since you seem completely lost.. :)
[00:44] <KM0201> jayar: .. i don't think so (maybe)... handbrake should handle that for you though
[00:45] <KM0201> pylaurent: ?
[00:45] <skypce> hello
[00:45] <skypce> how can i change the color depth in ubuntu 11.10?
[00:46] <KM0201> !rootirc
[00:47] <xonix> ls
[00:48] <Xeneth_studying> Bye Peeps
[00:48] <KM0201> pylaurent: are you lost?
[00:48] <RoDiMuS-X> skypce: you can try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Yu6LVUbWE
[00:48] <skypce> very thank you RoDiMuS-X
[00:48]  * shrike-9 cumprimenta respeitosamente
[00:51] <pylaurent> KM0201: sorry
[00:51] <pylaurent> KM0201: I am back
[00:51] <KM0201> ok
[00:51] <KM0201> did you get my private message?
[00:53] <sergiu> this windows is so lame
[00:53] <praxedes> i did registered using irssi but still outputs need an invitation.
[00:54] <praxedes> #aircrack
[00:54] <nsadmin> is it possible to boot a live cd stored on an hd partition?
[00:55] <hellknight> I'm thinking of install Ubuntu 11.10 on my Dad's laptop. Dell Inspiron 14 R (Intel Core i3 2350m, 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3, 320 GB HDD, Dell Wireless 1702 802.11n)
[00:55] <savid> Hi, I'm trying to  create an extended partition in ubun
[00:55] <nsadmin> hellknight, your dad OK with that?
[00:55] <hellknight> Now, I've been using Ubuntu on my desktop computer since a long time. But I've heard that Ubuntu eats a lot of battery when compared to Windows.
[00:56] <savid> Hi, I'm trying to create an extended partition in gparted, but the option is greyed our.  Any ideas why?
[00:56] <nsadmin> that would mostly depend on the kernel... it could be
[00:56] <liemt> \nick Katherine
[00:56] <hellknight> nsadmin, yeah he is. He just checks email, listens songs, and some documents etc. He uses a lot of pendrives so he wants some security from viruses etc
[00:56] <nsadmin> does he want to have what's there wiped?
[00:56] <pythonsnake> hellknight: underclock cpu
[00:57] <gvo> hellknight there are tweaks to fix the battery problem.
[00:57] <hellknight> It'll be dual-boot.. In India we don't get Dell without Windows so Win 7 Home Basic will be there as I paid for it. Or is there anyway to remove it but re-install it later without those activation headaches
[00:57] <pythonsnake> like decreasing brightness
[00:58] <nsadmin> hellknight, dunno about that part
[00:58] <hellknight> Yeah.. I'll decrease the brightness. I'll tell him about that.
[00:58] <philipballew> If someone tells me to find my bridge ipaddress, where would I look for it?
[00:58] <pythonsnake> disable everything compiz
[00:58] <hellknight> Question, are the hardware buttons for decreasing brightness, increasing volume etc supported by Ubuntu? It works fine on my desktop keyboard (Logitech MK320). But I don't know about laptop
[00:59] <pythonsnake> dont even use gui, go tty
[00:59] <CFHowlett> hellknight   depends on the specific laptop.  Most name brands are supported
[00:59] <hellknight> pythonsnake, he's not techsavy. so I need GUI..
[01:00] <gvo> check out this site for info on battery life issues:  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_31_power_regress&num=1
[01:00] <pythonsnake> close daemons
[01:00] <hellknight> gvo, thanks for the link
[01:00] <gvo> There are some issues that can be corrected.
[01:01] <hellknight> CFHowlett, it is the latest Dell Inspiron 14 R. purchased it about 4-5 months ago..
[01:01] <gvo> I have a netbook that I got up to 6 hours life running Mint 12.
[01:01] <CFHowlett> hellknight   dell tends to be very well supported.  Tip: install the DELL recovery media creator
[01:02] <hellknight> CFHowlett, Already taken care of. Made recovery disks.. :)
[01:02] <CFHowlett> hellknight   niiiiice!
[01:02] <hellknight> Ok suppose I recompile a custom kernel, & get rid of unncessary modules. Will that help? And what adverse effect will it have on future updates
[01:03] <jack> hellknight: totally depends on how custom your kernel is
[01:04] <hellknight> jack, I don't need the NVIDIA & ATI modules as it has integrated Intel HD graphics..
[01:05] <hellknight> The upcoming Linux 3.1 kernel will draw more power, Phoronix says.. I already have 3.2 on Arch Linux.. But on desktop..
[01:05] <jack> hellknight: sure, that's np - leave them out
[01:06] <escott> hellknight, the audio control buttons are usually supported out of the box. the hardware brightness controls dont generate keycodes but actually trigger acpi events so they are acpi and hardware dependent
[01:06] <hellknight> One last question, I never connected Linux PC to an external HDMI based display. Will it work properly on Ubuntu?
[01:06] <escott> hellknight, works perfectly on my i3 system
[01:06] <hellknight> escott, I'll run & check it via Live CD this everning.
[01:07] <KI7MT> Get a bit hard to see frmo any distance, but 42" screen works fine here too.
[01:07] <hellknight> escott, no issues with sound? I mean the audio goes out properly to say a HDTV?
[01:07] <T_H_X> works fine here too
[01:08] <T_H_X> gt440 though
[01:08] <escott> hellknight, you may have to go into pulse audio controls and switch the output but its better than windows. once you switch the output device existing channels are moved to the TV whereas with win**ows you have to close and reopen the app
[01:08] <hellknight> Oh nice. Then I suppose his students will be suprised to see a new operating system besides Windows on their teacher's laptop.
[01:08] <independent> can someone skilled help me installing SSHater on lastest ubuntu
[01:09] <independent> SSHatter
[01:10] <quantumlemur> hey, I'm on a thinkpad T420s with a displayport, and when I boot the computer with the cable already plugged in, it detects it as an audio output, and everything works.  But when I plug it in after I'm already logged in, it doesn't get detected.  Is there a way to force a rescan?
[01:10] <KI7MT> Edubuntu is pretty nifty, check it out :-)
[01:10] <hellknight> I tried Edubuntu few years ago.. Good for kids. But he's a teacher :P
[01:10] <CFHowlett> hellknight   look again - it's improved
[01:10] <escott> quantumlemur, you dont have an alternate output selectable in the audio properties
[01:11] <KI7MT> He can load anything he wants too, our schools here are testing Ubuntu for all their Desktop needs.
[01:11] <quantumlemur> escott, there's only an alternate output if it boots with the cable already plugged in
[01:11] <hellknight> cfhowlett, it has Unity or GNOME 3?
[01:11] <CFHowlett> hellknight   gREAT question!  IDK tho ...
[01:11] <CFHowlett> wait 1
[01:11] <independent> noone can help me install SSHatter ?
[01:12] <hellknight> checking out the site
[01:12] <hellknight> independent, what is it?never heard the name
[01:12] <independent> its a ssh brute force tool
[01:12] <escott> quantumlemur, have you checked the output of lsmod? are the same set of modules loaded? if not then you probably just need to modprobe the audio driver. if both are loaded either way then it would qualify as a pulseaudio bug
[01:12] <ghost13> independent: you might do better to ask on the backtrack chan
[01:13] <escott> !backtrack | independent go there for illegal stuff
[01:13] <hellknight> independent, what problem are you facing?
[01:13] <ghost13> independent: and i find medusa better for that
[01:13] <gr33n7007h> [need help!] -- "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
[01:14] <quantumlemur> escott, I'll reboot and compare lsmod output.  how do I modprobe the driver, if needed?
[01:14] <escott> quantumlemur, sudo modprobe module_name
[01:15] <hellknight> The Ubuntu 10.04 has LTS kernel right? So it should've better power management features.. What do you guys think?
[01:15] <CFHowlett> hellknight   don't know if the KERNEL is LTS but 10.04 is ....
[01:16] <CFHowlett> hellknight   thank you for sparking my quick peek @ edubuntu.  I just discovered/installed ubuntu-wallpapers-extra  !
[01:16] <escott> hellknight, seems you missed the point of LTS. the kernel is older because its LTS doesn't necessarily mean its better. for a sandybridge you absolutely do NOT want 10.04
[01:16] <escott> hellknight, unless you don't want your intel graphics supported
[01:17] <gr33n7007h> [need help!] -- "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
[01:19] <Canadian1296> Apache2 isn't letting me access /usr/share on my server (getting forbidden)
[01:19] <hellknight1> OK i'll keep you guys updated. I'll rejoin the channel & will tell you about the installation. Thanks for the help..
[01:21] <Chipzzz> Canadian1296: how are you trying to access it?
[01:21] <gvo> Canadian1296: check permissions
[01:21] <quantumlemur> escott, I didn't find any difference in the lsmod output (except for the order), but curiously enough, the hdmi output now showed up, when I plugged it in after boot.  This is after many times trying it before without it working... and now it's magically fixed?
[01:21] <hopstafarian> hi all
[01:22] <Zaitzev> omg xbmc is such a piece of work, it completely hangs up and I can't exit it no matter what I do
[01:22] <gvo> quantumlemur: magic.
[01:22] <Zaitzev> I actually have to press the reset-button and reboot the machine to get out of it.
[01:22] <escott> quantumlemur, its because you are in the irc channel. it checks for that and makes sure to work properly when you are logged in
[01:22] <CFHowlett> hopstafarian   greetings
[01:23] <quantumlemur> gvo, escott, surely that's the reason.  Well, if it stops working, is there any useful debug information I can gather?
[01:23] <hopstafarian> CFHowlett, and to you...what's new and exciting?
[01:23] <Canadian1296> Chipzzz, gvo: I got it, thanks. I was missing a couple lines in the apache config file.
[01:23] <CFHowlett> hopstafarian   just doing my little bit to support ubuntu - you haz questions???
[01:24] <escott> quantumlemur, the first thing to check is the lsmod output. i would guess the module is not loading. basically udev should detect the hotplug and setup both the graphics and audio drivers and create the devices and pulse should take over from there. what is breaking in that chain is unclear
[01:24] <gvo> quantumlemur: +1
[01:27] <gr33n7007h> [need help!] -- "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
[01:27] <CharminTheMoose> I'm building an 11.04 based livecd, I'd like to have the option to be able to, in some way, remove all access to harddisks and/or usb externel media.
[01:27] <escott> gr33n7007h, anything prior to that? usually there is some indication why the remote closes the channel
[01:27] <Chipzzz> gr33n7007h: using ssh or a protocol dependent upon it?
[01:28] <escott> CharminTheMoose, remove the user from plugdev
[01:28] <gr33n7007h> ill give you guys output of ssh
[01:28] <escott> CharminTheMoose, but why? physical access is root access
[01:29] <jack> if not better
[01:29] <quantumlemur> escott, gvo, ok, I tried rebooting again, and this time it didn't pick up the hdmi sound output.  lsmod output is still the same in all cases, though
[01:29] <gr33n7007h> ssh output http://pastebin.com/Cn86yQ9u
[01:30] <jack> physical access beats root access, imo
[01:30] <CharminTheMoose> escott, I mean total underlying /dev access too. Basically so, I could trash the livecd system, dd-ing everywhere and still have no fear of actually hitting the harddisks.
[01:30] <ActionParsnip> gr33n7007h: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/cant-ssh-to-remote-machine-connection-closed-by-remote-host-267052/
[01:31] <CharminTheMoose> and why? Well why not? :D
[01:31] <gr33n7007h> ok i look now
[01:31] <escott> CharminTheMoose, and if they have physical access to be able to run a livecd they have physical access to be able to use a sledgehammer
[01:31] <KM0201> pylaurent: are you there?
[01:31] <ActionParsnip> gr33n7007h: http://blog.mypapit.net/2011/01/howto-solve-ssh_exchange_identification-connection-closed-error.html
[01:31] <escott> CharminTheMoose, long and short is this isnt a supported lockdown setting because its ineffective
[01:31] <hopstafarian> escott = troubleshooter after my own heart..
[01:32] <Canadian1296> How do I make ufw allow any port from <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:32] <AcidRain> KM0201: you were right about one thing
[01:32] <CharminTheMoose> Awww nuts then, cheers anyway, escott :)
[01:32] <Chipzzz> ActionParsnip: (*big thumbs-up*)
[01:32] <KM0201> AcidRain: prrobably more than 1 thing, but humor me.. :)
[01:32] <AcidRain> KM0201: 11.10 works, sound is good. and wireless is great
[01:33] <escott> quantumlemur, then look at the dmesg output. to be honest i dont know all the details of how udev/pulse are supposed to be handling this. i would imagine there were be a dbus message from udev to pulse
[01:33] <KM0201> AcidRain: so i was right about more than 1 thing..lol
[01:33] <AcidRain> lol
[01:33] <AcidRain> but... 10.04 was released in 2010. not that old. its supported till 2013.
[01:33] <AcidRain> :)
[01:34] <KM0201> AcidRain: it's supported, but that doesn't mean its going to work with all new hardware, etc. right out of the box.
[01:34] <AcidRain> KM0201: oh, and thankfully there is a gnome-shell that is in the repos. that has saved my life and kept me using linux
[01:34] <KM0201> AcidRain: well, 12.04.... bye bye gnome-shell
[01:34] <AcidRain> wtf. bah. u lie
[01:34] <matchbox> test
[01:34] <quantumlemur> escott, another clue, if this tells you anything:  I'm using f.lux, which changes the color temperature of your primary monitor.  The time that I plugged in the tv and the sound worked, f.lux switched to changing the color of that monitor, rather than my normal one (which it doesn't normally do)
[01:34] <KM0201> AcidRain: like i said, embrace the horror, learn to love unity, or embrace another desktop UI.. kde, xfce, lxde
[01:34] <KM0201> AcidRain: nope, not lying at all
[01:35] <AcidRain> gnome-shell just isnt quite as good as using it when its preinstalled. gnome-shell doesnt display the "System" tab
[01:35] <joebodo> troll
[01:35] <gr33n7007h> still nothing thanks anyway
[01:35] <AcidRain> KM0201: im going to do some research on kde interfaces and what not. which one do you use yourself?
[01:36] <Chipzzz> gr33n7007h: you rebooted the ssh server?
[01:37] <KM0201> AcidRain: lxde
[01:37] <escott> quantumlemur, im not sure what that would have to do with anything
[01:38] <AcidRain> KM0201: http://lxde.org/lxde_desktop so i heard you like windows a little ;p
[01:38] <fgera> hi again
[01:39] <ActionParsnip> AcidRain: its a fast DE, very lightweight
[01:39] <KM0201> AcidRain: it's nothing like windows... awesome
[01:40] <fgera> ActionParsnip: I've run sudo nvidia-xconfig but after reboot I lost the monitor signal
[01:40] <nrdb> hi... I am having troubles with samba ... again ... the command 'smbclient -L bigone' shows that there are a number of shares available... but they dont show up in 'Places->Network' ... what is wrong?
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> fgera: ok then boot to root recovery mode and run:  rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: what OS is the server?
[01:42] <demonspork> box
[01:42] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, Ubuntu Lucid .. Linux bigone 2.6.32-21-server #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 09:17:34 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:42] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: have you shared the home folder of a user?
[01:43] <fgera> ActionParsnip: will do that
[01:43] <fgera> ActionParsnip: thanks
[01:43] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, no, some others.
[01:43] <ActionParsnip> fgera: np ;)
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: are the systems in the same workgroup? If you didn't change the default, then they are
[01:44] <nrdb> the smbclient returns what is expected on both the server and client
[01:44] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, yes
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: what if you run:  nautilus \\bigone
[01:45] <sylasL> CFHowlett, thanks again for your help last night. guess what, i turned on my comp this am and wireless was working! :) thanks to your guys' help.
[01:46] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: or:  nautilus \\bigone\sharenamehere
[01:46] <CFHowlett> sylasL   wait wait
[01:46] <CFHowlett> sylasL   for you:   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7001421/Pictures/Success.jpg
[01:46] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, Could not find "/home/neil/\bigone".
[01:47] <fgera> ActionParsnip: please retype your last sentence as I lost it. thanks
[01:47] <sylasL> CFHowlett, heh. i wish i could bake you all some brownies or something!
[01:47] <ActionParsnip> (01:41:12) ActionParsnip: fgera: ok then boot to root recovery mode and run:  rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:48] <CFHowlett> sylasL   pay it forward ... (also you might want to make notes of what worked.   Just in case...)
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: there is a 'connect to server' under the file menu in nautilus, do that work
[01:48] <sgo11> in nautilus (ubuntu 11.10), how to disallow it to remember the VIEW setting. like icons, list view etc.. it always tries to remember the view setup for a particular directory. thanks.
[01:49] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, tried that a while back it says things like ftp etc. no option for samba or cifs
[01:49] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, opps missed the option.. will try.. hang on
[01:49] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: one option is Windows Share
[01:50] <sylasL> CFHowlett, will do.  you guys rock. gonna look into installing tor now, hope all goes smoothly!
[01:50] <CFHowlett> sylasL   have fun / be safe
[01:51] <sylasL> CFHowlett, thanks!
[01:52] <quantumlemur> escott, after searching online, one suggestion was to install pavucontrol, which gives the option of selecting hdmi configurations.  Doing that seems to make it re-recognize the hdmi, and then it works.  I'll just settle for that for now.  thanks for your help :)
[01:53] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, that works, but it still isn't showing up in the 'Places->Network->windows network  ... :-(
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: use that method, then when you have the share open,add it as a bookmark
[01:55] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, ok... I will.. but there is something not quite right with the "Places->Network" stuff.
[01:55] <nrdb> ActionParsnip, thanks
[01:55] <ActionParsnip> nrdb: could report a bug, not used it thatway myself
[01:58] <fgera> ActionParsnip: I forgot to mention that I've already fixed the monitor signal lost that I've mentioned before. reinstalled ubuntu. so should I run  rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf anyway?
[01:59] <ActionParsnip> fgera: you could rename it
[02:01] <splinter47> hello
[02:01] <CFHowlett> splinter47   greetings
[02:02] <splinter47> what's this chatroom all about?
[02:02] <CFHowlett> !ubuntu|splinter47
[02:02] <Mike9863> With GNOME shell, whenever I move a window near another one it sticks to the edge of the window. Is there a way to disable this?
[02:03] <escott> Mike9863, check extensions.gnome.org
[02:07] <alpin> hi
[02:07] <CFHowlett> alpin   greetings
[02:08] <mike_> hey
[02:08] <Guest23332> hey
[02:08] <anthony_s> hi, i'm trying to install build-essentials onto my new laptop (that has no internet connection).  i don't have the install CD so I'm trying to install build-essential from source.  i've downloaded build-essential_11.1.tar.gz but i've read that there are other dependencies i'll need also.
[02:09] <anthony_s> does anyone know where i can download a list of dependencies that i can also build from source?
[02:09] <CFHowlett> anthony_s   see this http://techspalace.blogspot.com/2009/04/offline-update-ubuntu.html
[02:10] <danielboston26> who for the first time ever the chat room is silent
[02:10] <danielboston26> wow*
[02:10] <anthony_s> CFHowlett: thanks!
[02:10] <CFHowlett> anthony_s   no problem
[02:10] <Guest23332> im having trouble conecting to a wifi network using comand line
[02:11] <danielboston26> guest23332 more info please
[02:11] <escott> Guest23332, if possible use the network manager gui and then use nmcli
[02:11] <Guest23332> im now conected using   a wifi manager
[02:11] <Guest23332> give me a second to explain whats hapwning
[02:12] <Guest23332> apening
[02:12] <vn> hi, im installing ubuntu server 10.04.4 LTS x64 atm and it's whining it doesn't detect any NIC in my computer but it has 2...how can I get it to detect them?
[02:14] <user__> n
[02:14] <escott> vn, nothing is listed in ifconfig other than the loopback interface lo
[02:15] <danielboston26> vn probably needs the drivers for his cards
[02:15] <vn> yah well I didn't install yet, I'm still in the install
[02:16] <danielboston26> hmmm
[02:19] <cclove> nothing is listed in ifconfig other than the loopback interface lo sometimes it may cause the network interface is not bring up....
[02:19] <icedtea> anyone know the best way to determine if upstart is installed?
[02:19] <CFHowlett> icedtea   apt-cache policy upstart
[02:21] <icedtea> thank you!
[02:21] <CFHowlett> icedtea   no problem
[02:22] <magpii> i upgraded to 11.10 but the desktop sux. is their a way to replace the 11.10 with the 10.04  desktop please?
[02:22] <Zugaasde> Quick, what´s the disk command line utility?
[02:22] <icedtea> cfdisk
[02:22] <Zugaasde> cuz i cannot use gparted cuz of some problems
[02:22] <dr_willis> magpii,  thers some fallback desktops that are similer to the gnome2 - but personally.. i suggest getting used to unity. Its MUCH improved in the next release
[02:22] <CFHowlett> magpii   keep 11.10 - try installing a different desktop environment: xubuntu lubuntu kubuntu
[02:22] <dr_willis> !classic
[02:23] <Zugaasde> icedtea: errr, i mean the command for disk actions bulit in the system, im using live cd
[02:23] <dr_willis> magpii,  if you want an oldskool type desktop thers lubuntu and xubuntu also.
[02:23] <escott> !nounity | magpii
[02:23] <nsadmin> Zugaasde, parted, fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk
[02:23] <Zugaasde> ummm, some command that starts with l?
[02:23] <escott> nsadmin, also gdisk for gpt partitions
[02:23] <Zugaasde> idk
[02:24] <magpii> ok thanks for the info
[02:24] <Guest23332> danielboston26,  after dhclient wlan0 i get this after a while  No DHCPOFFERS received
[02:24] <Zugaasde> im trying to resize my disk
[02:24] <nsadmin> read their man pages (DO NOT say you weren't warned) and consider backing up those partitions you already have, containing data valuable to you
[02:24] <Zugaasde> OK
[02:24] <danielboston26> guest23332 well something is broken
[02:24] <Zugaasde> Bye
[02:24] <danielboston26> lol
[02:25] <nsadmin> if he wants to resize his disk... only way I see is buy a larger drive)
[02:25] <escott> Guest23332, trying to connect throught wlan on cli is tough. you need to check with iwconfig that you have the correct essid, then you need to run wpa_supplicant if applicable, and then you can try dhclient
[02:25] <attio> Hello?
[02:26] <Canadian1296_> Postfix won't relay mail to external servers, just deliver to itself. How do I enable relaying?
[02:26] <CFHowlett> attio   greetings
[02:26] <Guest23332> send vendor-class-indentifier "MSFT 5.0"; someone refered this in dhcp.comp resolved
[02:26] <nsadmin> Canadian1296_, adjust the configuration
[02:26] <Guest23332> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1371247
[02:27] <Guest23332> what the hell is that?
[02:27] <nsadmin> wait, relaying? nono, please DON'T. open relays are spammer tools
[02:27] <dr_willis> nsadmin,  thats what i was thinking.
[02:27] <dimitrisk> Hi there
[02:27] <CFHowlett> dimitrisk   greetings
[02:27] <nsadmin> well maybe he doesn't want that exactly... a limited relay would be alright
[02:27] <attio> Good, I did it right. I'm having some trouble trying to partition the drive that Ubuntu is currently on, I want to partition it partially for Ubuntu, and another part NTFS. Although because I have Ubuntu already installed on the drive, it won't let me unmount it how I would normally to make a partition. Would it be possible to do this?
[02:28] <dimitrisk> Thanks, CFHowLett
[02:28] <escott> attio, you need a livecd
[02:28] <CFHowlett> dimitrisk   what's the problem
[02:28] <dr_willis> attio,  a gparted live cd, is how i normally do that task
[02:28] <Guest23332> escott, i have configured manualy like said in ubuntu manual with wep key
[02:28] <Canadian1296_> nsadmin: Yes, but which setting is it?
[02:28] <nsadmin> attio, yes, if you have unpartitioned space you can do this
[02:28] <dimitrisk> No issue, just tried to use irc. It's been long time.
[02:28] <nsadmin> Canadian1296_, way wayyy more than one possibility
[02:28] <CFHowlett> dimitrisk   understood
[02:29] <nsadmin> see what happens when you dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[02:29] <escott> Guest23332, if you know the subnet set a static ip and see if you can ping the router
[02:29] <okum> how to get menu on panel in 12.04?
[02:29] <attio> What's a live CD? :s
[02:29] <nsadmin> (not (that's NOT) available to help with details)
[02:29] <Guest23332> i have to disconect
[02:29] <escott> attio, the install cd has a livecd component
[02:30] <attio> I used a USB drive to install my Ubuntu version.
[02:30] <Canadian1296_> nsadmin: an example then
[02:30] <Guest23332> escott, check this it  identical to my problem
[02:30] <Guest23332> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1371247
[02:30] <aibo_U> hi
[02:30] <Jeremy3D> i have ATI Catalyst Controller and AMD Catalyst Controller.  My card is a ATI Radeon HD 5550.  How do I remove the AMD Catalyst Controller only?>
[02:30] <CFHowlett> aibo_U   greetings
[02:31] <escott> Guest23332, you are assuming you successfully negotiated the supplicant
[02:31] <Guest23332> escott,  what the hell is  this send vendor-class-indentifier "MSFT 5.0"
[02:31] <aibo_U> lil prob: i wanted to try out the gnome 3 desktop so i just installed the gnome-shell... i don't know why, but it starts the fallback-version when i choose it at the login :(
[02:31] <escott> Guest23332, a workaround for broken routers that can only talk to windows machines
[02:32] <Guest23332> ohh
[02:32] <aibo_U> ah btw. ubuntu 11.10 and unity just worked fine so i don't see any reasons why i shouldn't work with gnome3 in general
[02:32] <escott> aibo_U, you dont have the glx drivers installed properly then
[02:32] <Jeremy3D> anyone know?
[02:33] <Guest23332> escott,  ok   im testing
[02:33] <Guest23332>  i have to disconect
[02:33] <aibo_U> escott: i installed the drivers ubuntu offerd me... should i look up some special drivers?
[02:33] <escott> aibo_U, what does glxinfo say
[02:34] <aibo_U> one sec please
[02:34] <iToast> hey
[02:34] <iToast> Im curious about somthing...
[02:34] <aibo_U> escott: missing, missing, missing...
[02:34] <iToast> Would it be possible to make your OWN isp?
[02:34] <iToast> ;p
[02:34] <makoy> :D
[02:34] <escott> aibo_U, well the drivers arent working. what kind of graphics card do you have
[02:34] <iToast> Were able to setup our own PPoE servers and DNS servers so those problems are out of the way
[02:35] <iToast> We Have the software, but the curiousity is, would it be possible?
[02:35] <aibo_U> escott: it'sa nvidia gt550m
[02:35] <CFHowlett> !ot|iToast
[02:35] <escott> aibo_U, and you have the nvidia drivers installed from jockey-gtk
[02:35] <iToast> CFHowlett, This is about ubuntu, I wan't to do it all on ubuntu
[02:35] <iToast> :P
[02:35] <iToast> Would it be possible to make a home ISP powered BY ubuntu
[02:35] <Jeremy3D> can someone gimme a hand with some graphic card questions?
[02:36] <iToast> So use ubuntu to run DNS and other servers required
[02:36] <escott> iToast, its not clear what you are asking to do
[02:36] <aibo_U> escott: i'm pretty new to ubuntu... i just installed what ubuntu offerd me at the system settings extended drivers menu... thank you, i'll just look everything up!
[02:36] <escott> iToast, you just want to run DNS on ubuntu? easy install DNS and configure your clients to use it
[02:36] <iToast> escott, if i were to have a home connection thats powerful eneugh, could i run a home isp
[02:36] <iToast> Say sell off extra bandwith to others and controll it through a ubuntu box
[02:37] <escott> aibo_U, im not too familiar with nvidia, but until glxinfo lists the nvidia drivers it is not working
[02:37] <iToast> Alot of people were i live just steal others internet :P
[02:37] <escott> !ics | iToast
[02:37] <iToast> escott, I also wan't to controll who can access it.
[02:37] <CFHowlett> iToast   aside from violating the terms of your current ISP, it's technically doable.
[02:37] <aibo_U> escott: okay, nice to know :D just wondering because everything seemed to work pretty fine out of the box :)
[02:37] <alphasynaptic> Is there a command that I can use to determine where the MBR resides? GParted shows sda1 as the windows part i created which is fine. But then sda2 is expandable into sda5 and sda6 with sda5's mount point being /. So my question is, is the MBR located in sda, sda2, or sda4 in my case?
[02:38] <iToast> CFHowlett, Bell Canada doesnt care. I run a home server already powered by ubuntu, now im after guides to put my ubuntu box to more use, also is there a simple quick web admin panel OTHER then webmin...
[02:38] <escott> alphasynaptic, mbr is the beginning of the disk. always
[02:38] <alphasynaptic> so sda?
[02:38] <escott> alphasynaptic, yes
[02:38] <alphasynaptic> thank you sir
[02:39] <fgera> hhi again
[02:39] <attio> So, is there no way to reformat my ext4 file system which currently has Ubuntu installed to partition itself to become one with a NTFS file system?
[02:39] <fgera> been trying to solve my nvidia grafic card issue
[02:39] <Jeremy3D> i need help solving an ati issue
[02:39] <almoxarife> iToast: forget ubuntu for offering up your router (wifi) connections, a avg router will offer up a service where you can control access via mac id, too easy
[02:39] <escott> attio, you cannot run ubuntu on an ntfs, and you cannot (except for certain exceptions) change a partition type
[02:39] <iToast> almoxarife, the problem is, i need somthing with a brain.
[02:40] <attio> Okay, thanks.
[02:40] <iToast> A ubuntu machine can monitor everything and log everything in real time without slowing down, a router can't do that. thats why im going for ubuntu, its quick to setup and easy to maintain
[02:40] <fgera> no luck removing or renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf even in recovery mode
[02:40] <escott> iToast, just look at the ics information
[02:41] <almoxarife> iToast: brains? like who gets to use the router? when? to where? the router would still be faster and less error proof
[02:41] <iToast> escott, ok. one more question. if i setup a VPN server, can i set it up to automaticly kill the connection and reject it once a user hits their account's limit? i know alot of people who would LOVE a vpn for privacy
[02:42] <escott> iToast, probably
[02:42] <iToast> almoxarife, the main interface fails. the router dosent know to fall over to a different wan, a ubuntu machine does.
[02:43] <sun_devil> Any idea what a public FTP directory is ?
[02:43] <iToast> almoxarife, a linux powered machine is superior for this task. A router is just missing all the features i wan't, like a x86 cpu :P I dont wan't to be stuck with 4 scripts running, i wan't up to 4k+! So ima look at the ICS guide
[02:44] <escott> sun_devil, its a public ftp directory? what is the context for this question
[02:45] <fgera> any idea to solve nvidia issue rather than remove or rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[02:45] <sun_devil> I have a file in my pub directory and just wanted to test it
[02:45] <zabomber> iToast: have you googled PPTPD +ubuntu . it has all the info you need to accomplish what you asking
[02:45] <iToast> zabomber, no, thats why im here :P
[02:46] <zabomber> iToast: didn't find it? what exactly do you want to do?
[02:46] <makoy> test
[02:46] <iToast> zabomber, Right now i wan't to do somthing diff that i've yet to find any good documention until today on, run my own local dns server.. :P
[02:46] <matju> how do I run an ALSA app in Ubuntu 11.10 ? I get « device or resource busy » even with pasuspender or LD_PRELOAD tricks
[02:47] <zabomber> iToast: sudo apt-get install bind9 . ill get the doco shorlty
[02:47] <zabomber> !bind
[02:47] <iToast> Im after a simple dns server that keeps everything cached so instead of going to <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> it goes to my local dns server
[02:47] <iToast> zabomber, already got the documentation
[02:48] <zabomber> than whats the problem? i have a DNS server setup at home that does what you ask for? i followed the doco too ;)
[02:48] <Guest49516> hey guys
[02:48] <iToast> zabomber, Im confused now, for the caching server its a forwarder thing in the documents
[02:48] <Guest49516> is this the right chan for soem small help with updating?
[02:49] <magicJ> iToast: just set <IP_ADDRESS> as your primary, those as the next two and install bind9
[02:49] <CFHowlett> Guest49516   yes.
[02:49] <iToast> zabomber, The forwarder works on asking a external dns server for the info the first time but every other time it pulls from local records
[02:49] <Guest49516> thanks cfhowlett
[02:49] <CFHowlett> Guest49516   ask away
[02:49] <zabomber> iToast: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch6/#caching
[02:49] <Guest49516> should i just pastebin n the problem
[02:49] <CFHowlett> Guest49516   yes
[02:49] <aibo_U> mhm, jockey-gtx drivers are installed and i followed the instructions over here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1771806 but glxinfo still says missing missng... and i find myself on the fallbackversion of gnome :(
[02:50] <iToast> zabomber, so install bind9 setup cacheing restart the dameon, change my dns to that servers IP and it will just work...?
[02:50] <Guest49516> http://pastebin.com/14h0ALwX\
[02:50] <Guest49516> http://pastebin.com/14h0ALwX
[02:51] <iToast> Guest32249, both links work..
[02:51] <Guest49516> i used to know how to fix theese things but i spent too many years away from ubuntu
[02:51] <sun_devil> I heard you can use ftp and send a file in your public dir.  My vsftpd is on.  Have been researching how to use ftp
[02:51] <escott> Guest49516, before upgrading you are supposed to remove any ppa's
[02:52] <escott> !ppa-purge | Guest49516
[02:52] <iToast> sun_devil, are you running a ssh server?
[02:52] <Guest49516> i was doing sudo apt get update though
[02:52] <sun_devil> no
[02:52] <sun_devil> iToast, no
[02:52] <iToast> sun_devil, i would have said just sFTP into it if you were :|
[02:52] <escott> Guest49516, you have ppa's listed in your apt sources that don't exist and so you get warnings. if you want to remove the warnings remove the ppas
[02:53] <Guest49516> CFHowlett do yhou agree with escott ?
[02:53] <iToast> sun_devil, does the ftp acc have access to your website document directory
[02:53] <CFHowlett> Guest49516   I do.
[02:53] <Guest49516> ok
[02:53] <Guest49516> i likey
[02:53] <iToast> sun_devil, and does it have RWX rights to it?
[02:53] <Gaming4JC> Hey all, I'm using the free messa drivers for graphic acceleration and compiz works fine, but when I try wine I'm getting "err:wgl:has_opengl Failed to load libGL: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory "
[02:53] <Gaming4JC> any idea if I need a dependency or something for libgl?
[02:53] <Guest49516> so i can just remove the ppas that are popping up with warnigns, and leave the other ones
[02:53] <Guest49516> ?
[02:53] <sun_devil> not a website, i set the permissions to chomod 777
[02:54] <iToast> sun_devil, best way is to try it and see if it throws a error.
[02:54] <Guest49516> thanks a lot escott and CFHowlett
[02:54] <sun_devil> iToast, have you ever used it?
[02:54] <CFHowlett> Guest49516   have fun / be safe
[02:55] <matju> how do I run an ALSA app in Ubuntu 11.10 ? I get « device or resource busy » even with pasuspender or LD_PRELOAD tricks
[02:55] <Guest49516> indeed, always
[02:55] <xangua> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity-team/hud/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found - looks like either, there are no packages in that ppa for the ubuntu release you use or if it had it, the packages Or the ppa was deleted Guest49516
[02:55] <Guest49516> one more quick question
[02:55] <iToast> sun_devil, the dameon, no. i perfer to use sFTP even though its inside a locked up network >:3
[02:55] <Guest49516> when the new LTS comes out, should I upgrade to that?
[02:55] <iToast> Guest32249, if you would like
[02:55] <CFHowlett> Guest49516   I'd recommend you stick with LTS releases ...
[02:55] <iToast> Its not manditory, it will use kernel 3.*.*.
[02:55] <Guest49516> ty xangua
[02:56] <xangua> Guest49516: pangoline 11.04 ; year, month
[02:56] <Guest49516> ok, im on the newest release right now
[02:56] <iToast> Guest32249, what are you running now?
[02:56] <iToast> Ah
[02:56] <Guest49516> but i like the new LTS coming out in April I hink it is
[02:56] <aibo_U> maybe i should've said it's a hybrid graphicscard system... :(
[02:56] <xangua> i mean pangolin 12.04 :P Guest49516
[02:56] <iToast> Guest32249, I would be too, but my video card dosent work with it O.o
[02:56] <Guest49516> lol xangua
[02:56] <hybrid> aibo_U, called me ;p
[02:56] <sun_devil> iToast, I know you set it to work in /var/vsftpd.conf.  I have a file in /var/ftp/pub
[02:56] <Guest49516> now i know what the release numbers mean, dates lol
[02:56] <aibo_U> haha sorry :D
[02:57] <escott> aibo_U, the best supported method is to disable one card in the bios. see also bumblebee or vgaswitcheroo
[02:57] <iToast> sun_devil, test it, it should work.
[02:57] <johnnycr> Hey all, I've got Lubuntu 11.10 installed now and still having trouble connecting to the internet with my wireless usb adapter
[02:57] <Troller> how tough its gonna be for a total linux begginer to set up ubuntu and install nvidia drivers, to test for a faulty gpu??
[02:57] <iToast> sun_devil, Im not good with vsftp as i just login as root over SFTP :p
[02:57] <Guest49516> installing purge-ppa as we speak, thanks a lot everyone i love you
[02:57] <iToast> sun_devil, I'm more of a ssh person.. mabey someone else can provide better help
[02:57] <sun_devil> iToast, Iam just trying to figure out how to fire it up in the command line
[02:58] <sun_devil> iToast, thanks
[02:58] <iToast> sun_devil, no problem :P
[02:59] <athit> Hi
[02:59] <athit> ,
[02:59] <fusiform___gyrus> hey people i have instaled radio tray and alarm clock from ubuntu software center
[02:59] <fusiform___gyrus> :)
[02:59] <fusiform___gyrus> hi
[02:59] <fusiform___gyrus> :)
[02:59] <FloodBot1> fusiform___gyrus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:59] <fusiform___gyrus> and when i start it
[02:59] <iToast> fusiform___gyrus, don't spam.
[03:00] <johnnycr> can anyone help me get this wireless adapter to work?
[03:00] <fusiform___gyrus> it doesent do anything
[03:00] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   NEW one?  or the same one...
[03:00] <fusiform___gyrus> how to put it on tray list  ? :) tnx
[03:00] <johnnycr> same one, different OS now
[03:00] <johnnycr> I'm running Lubuntu 11.10
[03:01] <johnnycr> The icon keeps spinning and it says "requesting wireless connection" but then it pops up and says disconnected and keeps spinning
[03:01] <aibo_U> troller: not that easy :(
[03:01] <sparkybluefox> Good night everybody..... I must retire.
[03:02] <athit> have office 2010 for ubuntu .?
[03:02] <CFHowlett> johnnycr   could the connection require a password wep/wap protected?
[03:02] <Troller> aibo_U haha yeah i suspected
[03:02] <CFHowlett> athit   libreoffice
[03:02] <fusiform___gyrus> i have instaled radio tray and alarm clock from ubuntu software center and when i start it it doesent do anything, alarm show's up, but not on the tray, radio tray doesent show up on tray, but it's active in proceses... again :) how to put aps on tray bar :) ty
[03:02] <athit> thank
[03:02] <fusiform___gyrus> 11.04
[03:02] <johnnycr> CFHowlett, I have the WPA2 password and SSID entered correctly
[03:02] <johnnycr> I'm connected to the network successfully on all my other computers and devices
[03:02] <aibo_U> Troller: but seems to be a common problem ... a few people with the same setup also struggeling...
[03:03] <johnnycr> It's possible the usb adapter is bad
[03:03] <johnnycr> but it's brand new so that seems unlikely
[03:03] <vn> um I'm installing Ubuntu and I mistepped in setting up LVM basics..now it cannot go backwards because it says it is in use, how can I destroy the LVm setup?
[03:03] <johnnycr> I'll try it on another computer
[03:03] <vn> my RAID is hardware so I don't need LVM'ed disks
[03:03] <CFHowlett> johnnycr  easier test; same usb, different wifi point
[03:04] <fusiform___gyrus> iToast can U help me ?
[03:06] <shade34321> Where should I look to find clues as to why my system is hanging up on start up, doesn't boot past a certain point
[03:06] <Troller> aibo_U ah ic
[03:06] <Troller> brb gotta reboot
[03:07] <escott> shade34321, first step is to press the up arrow and see what the last thing it does it
[03:08] <johnnycr__> CFHowler, I was able to use the usb adapter to connect to the network on my windows PC, so the adapter is good
[03:08] <escott> shade34321, second try to ctrl-alt-f1 and see if you can login to a terminal
[03:08] <CWChou> Can someone help me with a question on whether I should live boot ubuntu or knoppix?
[03:08] <johnnycr__> It's got to be a problem with the OS not recognizing it or something
[03:08] <Fyodorovna> !ask | CWChou
[03:08] <escott> vn, raid and LVM are orthogonal features to each other
[03:08] <shade34321> escott, I've done both, it hangs on checking battery state(it's a desktop and actually hangs right after but nothing is displayed after it) and I can access virtual terminals
[03:09] <CWChou> sorry new at this don't know how to work the irc.
[03:09] <CFHowlett> johnnycr_ good to know.  Realtek is out of my area of experience, so I'm just gonna watch.  Ask in the main channel again.  Have patience - looks like you're close!
[03:09] <escott> shade34321, can you service lightdm start?
[03:09] <dlentz> shade34321, that means X isn't starting, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:09] <CFHowlett> CWChou   ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu/kubuntu are good choices...
[03:09] <johnnycr__> Can anyone help me out with getting a wireless USB adapter working on Lubuntu 11.10?
[03:10] <Fyodorovna> johnnycr_, maybe name the usb device to begin with.
[03:10] <shade34321> escott, it does not seem like I can start it
[03:10] <shade34321> dlentz, I will look into it
[03:11] <escott> shade34321, then check the Xorg.0.log to see why
[03:11] <octagon> anyone here use touchnooter to root a nook simple touch
[03:11] <CWChou> I'm trying to get >4gb files off my mac. I was thinking of using ubuntu 11.10 as a live boot without installing. I remembered I used to do this with knoppix and it worked.  I want to write to NTFS drives from the Linux Live OS.  Is ubuntu going to have full capability?
[03:11] <vn> escott: what do you mean?  if I enable hardware RAID, I have no choice to use LVM?
[03:11] <escott> CWChou, yes
[03:11] <dlentz> johnnycr__, what is the adapter (or more importantly, what chipset does it use)?
[03:11] <log> CWChou: Yes.
[03:11] <St2al> #vhost
[03:11] <johnnycr__> its a Rosewill RNX-N150UBE but Ubuntu recognizes it as a Realtek RTL8188SU
[03:12] <Fyodorovna> CWChou, knoppix would be better it is running in root.
[03:12] <escott> vn, orthogonal means that the features provided by one are complementary to those provided by the other but neither requires the other
[03:12] <St2al>  !vhost<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:12] <shade34321> escott, I have a few errors it seems but I don't really understand them...I'll try and pastebin them for you
[03:12] <johnnycr__> when I put lsusb in the terminal it registers as RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[03:12] <escott> vn, so to say you don't need it is correct, but you might want it
[03:13] <vn> escott: ok, hence why I don't want LVM, but now it doesn't allow me to destroy the LVM partition, how can I do that?
[03:13] <vn> escott: yes I know, for flexible disks and such
[03:13] <escott> vn, you would have to boot a livecd and create a new partition table without the lvm
[03:13] <CWChou> Alright, Thanks everyone. I'll look into knoppix then.
[03:13] <mrFrog> I'm on 10.04, and even though i did "apt-get install db4.8-util", when i try to run "db_load…" it says command not found. what package am i supposed to install?...
[03:13] <reesk92> im having a prlblem with flash whenever it asks me if i want to alow the app to use my webcam it freezes and wont let me operate anything in that window
[03:14] <vn> um I'm in the install right now, new partition table is that when you select the disk?
[03:14] <escott> vn, you would tell it to destroy the existing data on the disks and reinstall
[03:14] <johnnycr> Fyodorovna, dlentz, any ideas?
[03:15] <athit> Hi,
[03:15] <vn> escott: I have no data, its a fresh system
[03:15] <CFHowlett> athit   greetings
[03:15] <escott> vn, also it is doubtful you have real hardware raid. you probably have bios raid AKA fake raid which is discouraged. a better solution is mdadm
[03:15] <Fyodorovna> johnnycr, my advice would be to get a out of the box working usb they arfe cheap.
[03:15] <Fyodorovna> are*
[03:15] <sun_devil> how do you open a .zip file in downloads by command line
[03:15] <escott> sun_devil, unzip
[03:15] <zonyl> CFHowlett: (In regards to FreeNX->) Well settled on the non-free NX client.   Unfortunately doesnt like Unity 3D at all.  Oh well.. time to switch to 2D for now.
[03:15] <vn> escott: um yes, BIOS RAID probably because its embedded to the motherboard
[03:16] <Roasted> Question - why does system-config-samba crash on my HTPC? I'm running 11.10 there along with my two laptops and desktop, yet all systems work fine. Syslog shows nothing whatsoever...
[03:16] <sun_devil> escott, unzip filename?
[03:16] <CFHowlett> zonyl   long as it works.
[03:16] <escott> sun_devil, yes it will create filename/ with the contents of the zip
[03:16] <zonyl> CFHowlett: zactly.  Thanks again for the reference
[03:16] <CFHowlett> zonyl   have fun / be safe
[03:16] <johnnycr> Fyodorovna, well I'd like to get this one working if possible.  It's supposed to be linux compatible
[03:17] <escott> vn, among the issues with bios raid are: (a) poor support (b) higher cpu usage (c) slower (d) non-portable (e) less configurable (f) no added failure resistance
[03:17] <vn> escott: are you saying fake RAID = soft raid?
[03:17] <Roasted> Cancel that - I have a feeling this may be it : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1494497
[03:18] <sun_devil> ok thanks, it unzipped
[03:18] <escott> vn, bios raid is called fake raid because there is not a coprocessor doing the raid related stuff. there is no *real* raid controller. soft raid usually refers to mdadm which is the kernel provided raid
[03:18] <sun_devil> So many commands for everything, I have to google almost everything
[03:18] <Jordan_U> vn: Yes. With FakeRAID all RAID calculations are done using the CPU and main memory.
[03:18] <mcurran> Would it be safe for me to remove all the broken symlinks on my system?  Including the entries for udev n' stuff...
[03:19] <Fyodorovna> johnnycr, number of threads on the ubuntu forums here is one. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705004&highlight=RTL8188su
[03:19] <escott> vn, in other words the "rankings" from best to worst are real raid with an external battery supplied raid controller, then pure software raid (mdadm) and the worst is generally considered to be bios raid
[03:19] <sun_devil> Do they have a channel for linux admins ?
[03:19] <ArizonaBay> how can i play minecraft ^
[03:20] <johnnycr> Fyodorovna, thanks I was just looking at that myself when you sent it. I hadn't thought to search by chipset, I was only searching by mnfr model # before
[03:20] <Fyodorovna> johnnycr, I started with the realtk info not sure of a fix myself really.
[03:20] <shade34321> escott, here it is
[03:20] <shade34321> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/869301/
[03:21] <ArizonaBay> Can someone help me play minecraft on ubunu 11.10
[03:21] <Fyodorovna> johnnycr, All I can do is point and say hey it's elvis and then run. :)
[03:21] <shade34321> it's on the bottom, put the entire log just in case i missed something...I don't understand the part about finding the screens but none of a usuable configuration
[03:21] <sun_devil> Can I open a zip and then read it in the vi editor?
[03:22] <escott> shade34321, its like it never saw the monitor
[03:22] <sun_devil> escott, Can I open a zip and then read it in the vi editor?
[03:22] <aibo_U_> haha, just wanted to say: bumblebee worked! thank you escott!
[03:22] <johnnycr> Fyodorovna, well that's a good lead I'm giving it a shot right now
[03:22] <shade34321> escott, right but it's displaying on something, I do have a KVM switch do you think that may be messing with it?
[03:23] <escott> aibo_U_, there may be a replacement package for bumblebee one of the two recently switched names don't know if it was bb or vgaswitcheroo
[03:23] <escott> shade34321, absolutely
[03:23] <escott> shade34321, with a KVM you probably want to hardcode your modelines
[03:23] <aibo_U_> escott: I'm just very happy it finaly works :D
[03:24] <shade34321> escott, what do you mean? I did have it working with no setup using fedora and opensuse, just prefer ubuntu over those two so reinstalling
[03:24] <nsadmin> ok, I booted into my 11.something
[03:24] <nsadmin> .10
[03:25] <escott> shade34321, modesetting is changing a lot in recent versions of ubuntu. so having something like a kvm (which is probably a vga kvm) means your edid information is all kinds of exciting
[03:25] <nsadmin> how can I try unity? shouild I make sure my video is supported first (firmware? correct driver?)
[03:25] <CFHowlett> ArizonaBay   https://debianhelp.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/how-to-install-minecraft-in-ubuntu/
[03:25] <StevenX> et.net
[03:26] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, do you see a panel on the left of the screen?
[03:26] <mcurran> I have a cheapass little kvm cable connector by iogear I tried to use, but it won't let my wiress mouse use a USB to PS/2 adapter...
[03:26] <vn> escott: thanks for the precision, now looking for a tutorial on how to setup a madm
[03:26] <escott> sun_devil, sure unzip and then open the file in vi?
[03:26] <nsadmin> no, panels are top and bottom
[03:26] <johnnycr> Fyodorovna, I DL'd the firmware from the forum link to USB but when I plug the USB into my linux system the file doesn't show up.  What's that about?
[03:26] <shade34321> escott, lol. I was having problems earlier and their suggestion was nomodeset in /etc/default/grub should I use that again or should I do something different?
[03:26] <nsadmin> gimme abt 5 mins... dryer is calling...
[03:26] <Fyodorovna> johnnycr, NOt sure to be honest I have no experience in this area really.
[03:27] <escott> !raid | vn
[03:27] <mcurran> Do you think if you enable your onboard video within BIOS, and use PCIE GPU as main video adapter, you could define the second one within xorg and retain functionality of both (like say with CUDA, and if their both nvidia, for ex.)
[03:27] <johnnycr> anyone know why I can't see a .gz file on my usb drive?
[03:27] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, this a install or a live cd?
[03:27] <Jordan_U> johnnycr: How are you trying to "see" it?
[03:27] <nsadmin> it's an install onto my 2 tb esata enclosure/drive
[03:28] <mcurran> this is the behavior for windows, but i can't seem to have my onboard detected while using PCIE card
[03:28] <escott> shade34321, nomodeset means that you dont want the kernel to do modesetting, and just dump out the dumb modeless vga terminal (hence the low resolution console text). X11 still needs to find a modeline
[03:28] <johnnycr> Jordan_U, not in the terminal, just the GUI file browser
[03:28] <nsadmin> my internal has win7 and debian 6.04
[03:28] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, how about a screenshot of the desktop in imagebin.
[03:28] <escott> shade34321, and X11 can't see your monitor behind the kvm so it cant find a modeline and doesn't start
[03:28] <nsadmin> (and the grub that boots em all)
[03:29] <Jordan_U> johnnycr: Where is this .gz file? Can you see other files in the same directory? How do you know that the file is actually there?
[03:29] <shade34321> escott, ok
[03:29] <mcurran> johnncr, is the .gz file on the usb, or are you referring to a file that's on a live environment usb, where the live env. is mounting itself elsewhere (other folder or partition) on the usb...
[03:29] <nsadmin> wait, this isn't 11.10, it's telling me I can upgrade to that
[03:30] <nsadmin> sec, dryer still calling
[03:30] <johnnycr> I know it's there because I put it in there on my windows PC, and I do see other files in there
[03:30] <mcurran> did you try "ls -a"?
[03:30] <johnnycr> I can see the file in terminal
[03:31] <Jordan_U> johnnycr: What is the filename?
[03:31] <ab2tractly> control + h?
[03:31] <sun_devil> escott, what command would you use,  I tried upzip it gave a paragraph about central filename version?
[03:31] <johnnycr> rtl8192sfw.bin.gz
[03:31] <johnnycr> I would like to move it to the desktop, how can I do that from the terminal?
[03:31] <escott> sun_devil, i just do unzip filename.zip
[03:31] <ab2tractly> johnnycr is it hidden
[03:31] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, sounds like 11.04 that has the fallback desktop installed. Run a update and upgrade then look in additional drivers for any driveers. You can choose unity from the login and see if it works after all that.
[03:31] <johnnycr> I have the file browser selected to show hidden files, so I don't think it is
[03:31] <mcurran> cp <filename> <destination>
[03:31] <johnnycr> mcurran, thanks
[03:32] <mcurran> so your usb is probably in /media/
[03:32] <mcurran> cp /media/USBvolume/file.gz /home/<username>/Desktop/
[03:32] <Jordan_U> johnnycr: Can you pastebin terminal output of "ls /path/to/dir/containing/file/" and a screenshot of the file browser showing the same dir?
[03:33] <johnnycr> Jordan_U, let me try a few things first
[03:33] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, make sure you exactly identify the actual version installed, 10.04 I think has a update to 11.04 as well since 11.04 was the first unity desktop release.
[03:34] <shade34321> escott, I've connected it directly to a monitor and it booted to the login screen. Now it's hangin after I type in my password
[03:35] <escott> shade34321, probably an issue with the graphics driver. you could try logging into unity-2d
[03:35] <tomnewmann> Hey, can anyone share a good basic security tutorial for Ubuntu server 10.04 LTS?
[03:36] <escott> shade34321, the fact that you got to login means that X is now seeing the necessary edid information (ie your kvm was not passing it through). so you could either buy a different kvm or just hardcode the modeline in an xorg.conf file
[03:36] <Fyodorovna> tomnewmann, there is a security thread at the ubuntu forums that is a good start
[03:37] <shade34321> escott, where can I find a tutorial on how to hardcode this...and logging in with 2d worked
[03:37] <sun_devil> escott,itgives me a warning of file.zip used backslashes as path separaters.  replace file with filestuff.....yes,no,all, none ?
[03:37] <Deihmos> is a simple switchable graphics possible in ubuntu?
[03:38] <escott> Deihmos, bumblebee and vgaswitcheroo are the main projects (although one has a new name, dont recall which)
[03:38] <johnnycr> alright, I tried the directions posted here and still not getting any internet connection http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705004
[03:38] <Deihmos> i saw that but just too many steps
[03:38] <escott> sun_devil, sounds like it is asking if you want to replace a file in that folder with the one in the zip
[03:39] <escott> Deihmos, its not well supported, its all very experimental. if it works great if it doesnt that not surprising
[03:40] <nsadmin> ok, back. looks like I was confused... it says "welcome to 11.10, would you like to upgrade"
[03:40] <Deihmos> if i could figure out how to disable the discrete graphics card and use intel that would be good. Cannot find anything
[03:40] <escott> shade34321, xorg has a configuration tool (xorg -configure) which will generate the base xorg.conf file and there are modeline generators that you can find online
[03:40] <escott> Deihmos, it would be in the bios if its possible on your hardware
[03:41] <Deihmos> bios has no option. this is a laptop
[03:43] <Troller> So guys I wanna make a live USB stick ubuntu bootable
[03:43] <Troller> I have a CD here
[03:43] <Troller> just copy the stuff from the cd to the usb stick?
[03:43] <CFHowlett> Troller   startup disk creator
[03:44] <alien2050> Troller: unetbootin is your friend
[03:44] <nsadmin> Troller, don't you have a cd drive?
[03:44] <Troller> nsadmin yes
[03:45] <Troller> but ive been said that I need to use a usb stick cuz i wanna install some nvidia drivers on it
[03:45] <Troller> to test my gpu
[03:45] <nsadmin> why not boot the cd from the drive :)
[03:45] <Troller> im downloading a linux live usb creator
[03:45] <nsadmin> why not install ubuntu, then deal with the drivers?
[03:45] <nsadmin> might be easier... I dunno that for sure tho
[03:45] <Troller> yeah me too
[03:46] <Troller> im totally begginer
[03:46] <johnnycr> I just ran into a problem in the terminal... I tried the bash command "make" and it says "the program 'make' is currently not installed"
[03:46] <johnnycr> how can I fix that?
[03:46] <omegalimit> hello, I seem to be unable to install anything from ubuntu software center or elsewhere on my Ubuntu rigs; I keep getting a "Failed to download package files. Check your internet connection" error. Anyone know how I can fix this?
[03:46] <mcurran> you need to install configure-debian
[03:46] <Jordan_U> johnnycr: What are you actually trying to install?
[03:46] <nsadmin> are you ircing from the machine you will install onto?
[03:46] <mcurran> or build-essential
[03:47] <johnnycr> I'm trying this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1636939&page=2
[03:47] <mcurran> omegalimit, check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:47] <nsadmin> troller, are you ircing from the machine you will install onto?
[03:47] <Troller> yes
[03:48] <Troller> apparently ubuntu isnt compatible with the linux live stick
[03:48] <Troller> -_-
[03:48] <nsadmin> hmm. do you have another machine you can irc from while you install?
[03:48] <omegalimit> mcurran: What am I looking for?
[03:48] <Troller> nsadmin yeah actually
[03:48] <Troller> but i wanna try this usb trick first
[03:48] <Troller> cuz all i want really its just to test my gpu
[03:48] <nsadmin> if you were to come here and then do your install, you can get play-by-play help
[03:49] <Troller> nice
[03:49] <Troller> well im gonna see if this works
[03:49] <mcurran> I would try to ping the entries, but only if you've added some other than default.  Did you try "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get install -f"?
[03:49] <maum> I cannot hear sound when screensaver activated
[03:49] <Troller> if it not im gonna install it
[03:49] <Jordan_U> johnnycr: Are you prepared to re-install Ubuntu if while trying to compile drivers from source you break something beyond your knowlage to fix?
[03:49] <nsadmin> instead of "Here is how to to it" (you see 453 pages worth of stuff) AAARRERGGGH!
[03:49] <CFHowlett> Troller   you gotta be joking.  We usually boot the usb live.
[03:49] <CFHowlett> Troller   never mind.  response to old message
[03:50] <johnnycr> yea, I haven't done anything so I have no files to lose
[03:50] <mcurran> I have my sound get messed up, when I have audio playing online, and then the system calls on audio, for an alert or anything.  So either pulse or alsa is messing up, when dealing with both...  Anyone know how to fix that?
[03:50] <johnnycr> this is already a fresh install with no data on the HD
[03:50] <nsadmin> how can I tell what I currently have installed? like, which ubuntu
[03:50] <CFHowlett> nsadmin   lsb_release -a
[03:50] <mcurran> cat /etc/lsb-release
[03:51] <omegalimit> mcurran: tried those, still not working :(
[03:51] <mcurran> or uname -a
[03:51] <nsadmin> thanks
[03:51] <sgithens> rk
[03:51] <ChrisGagnon> I am using an ubuntu live usb key, but there is no tty on tty2-6 does anyone know what file I modify to start a terminal session there? so I can ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a terminal?
[03:51] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, run cat /etc/apt sources.list in the terminal and look at the list
[03:51] <Jordan_U> johnnycr: Then "sudo apt-get install build-essential" might help.
[03:52] <Troller> CFHowlett im getting usb universal installer
[03:52] <dr_willis> ChrisGagnon:  check /etc/init/tty#.conf  files
[03:52] <Troller> cuz the linux live usb creator doesnt support ubuntu apparently
[03:52] <CFHowlett> Troller   unetbootin
[03:52] <johnnycr> I got "package is not available, but is referred to by another package.  This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[03:52] <nsadmin> thanks; I seem to be running 11.04
[03:52] <ChrisGagnon> dr_willis: thanks I'll take a look there :)
[03:53] <dr_willis> ChrisGagnon:  theres some command you can run to start one up. that conf file would show it
[03:53]  * nsadmin pounces on sudo... go AWAY!
[03:54] <ChrisGagnon> dr_willis: that's exactly what I am looking for :) thanks!
[03:55] <nsadmin> so it looks like "aptitude install unity" is installing lotsa stuff
[03:56] <nsadmin> and so, I need the x server to have DRM enabled, yes?
[03:56] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, if you hadthe ubuntu-desktop installed you had unity
[03:56] <nsadmin> probabbly didn't had that then :)
[03:57] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, was this a netinstall?
[03:57] <nsadmin> I may have installed and then removed it
[03:57] <Fyodorovna> ah
[03:57] <nsadmin> the install was months ago :) I don't remember :)
[03:57] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, hard to remove fully withoutbthe full package list though
[03:57] <nsadmin> but I remember my user and root passwords :)
[03:58] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, root password?
[03:58] <nsadmin> yep.
[03:58] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, you set a root password?
[03:58] <Troller> nsadmin its downloading the virtual box now
[03:58] <Troller> 10%
[03:58] <dr_willis> oh the humanity! ;)
[03:58] <Fyodorovna> dr_willis, lol
[03:59] <nsadmin> I won't get into that unless you ask (ok, you asked, yes. I've been running root logins since like the beginning of time :)
[03:59] <Troller> :)
[03:59] <Fyodorovna> nsadmin, you just lost a your creds here. :)
[04:00] <fgera> hey
[04:00] <nsadmin> not something I recommend for everyone... but if you are an expert at the shell and you are always careful, it's not bad... for example, I ran my first linuxes as root for two years straight
[04:01] <fgera> is nvidia useless with ubuntu?
[04:01] <dr_willis> bad habbits are hard to break
[04:01] <dr_willis> fgera:  my nvidia works great
[04:01] <nsadmin> but good hobbits can be named Bilbo@
[04:01] <fgera> bee working on it for some hours
[04:01] <fgera> couldn't solve the issue
[04:02] <fgera> been*
[04:02] <Troller> dr_willis can i test some games with it?
[04:02] <nsadmin> anyway, don't worry about me on that point, I'm good :)
[04:02] <dr_willis> Troller:  huh?
[04:02] <fgera> dr_willis, what drivers are u using?
[04:02] <Troller> dr_willis ubuntu with nvidia
[04:02] <dr_willis> fgera:  the ones from the repos
[04:02] <nsadmin> but now, I've installed unity... to see it, should I just restart my session?
[04:02] <Troller> try to run some games with it
[04:02] <Troller> cuz i wanna test if my gpu is fucked or not...
[04:03] <dr_willis> Troller:  all sorts of games for ubuntu
[04:03] <marcuspbaird> hey guys installed ubuntu beta 1 12.04 but not running wel lso just install gnome shell
[04:03] <fgera> dr_willis, what's your grafic card?
[04:03] <marcuspbaird> how can we tell if ati cards are installed
[04:04] <dr_willis> fgera:  got 3 different nvidia machines. from a 6600 to an 8800gtsxxx and a newer one i forget what it has
[04:04] <dr_willis> marcuspbaird:  check lspci  output
[04:04] <nsadmin> dr_willis, you're right, it's not for the faint of heart or especially shell beginners
[04:05] <fgera> dr_willis, I've a fx 5600 but ubuntu don't like it, so he won't recognize it
[04:05] <marcuspbaird> check over my head insput   ?
[04:05] <deadmund> insput
[04:06] <Antoniete> hi, how to make install ubuntu firewall?
[04:06] <dr_willis> Antoniete:  ones allready included
[04:07] <dr_willis> !firewall
[04:07] <nsadmin> here's my xorg log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/869345/
[04:07] <Antoniete> tks dr_willis
[04:08] <Antoniete> algum brasileiro aqui?
[04:08] <fgera> portugues, mas principiante
[04:08] <Blue1> !portugese | fgera
[04:08] <Antoniete> fgera principiante?
[04:08] <chillpill_>  Translation (pt|en): | Fgera
[04:09] <Antoniete> LOL
[04:09] <Blue1> !pu
[04:09] <Blue1> ahh what is the country code?
[04:09] <sappoancms> how are you today
[04:09] <Antoniete> uehauheahuaeuheauhe
[04:10] <nsadmin> pt or br
[04:10] <fgera> http://translate.google.com.br/#pt|en|principiante%0A
[04:11] <nsadmin> pt for pure portugese, or br for brasilian portugese
[04:11] <sappoancms> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[04:11] <Antoniete> Does Vpn of this of me possess, django to install of the pitão and of twirling of nginx of the necessary, did this of make of already of somebody?
[04:11] <Blue1> !pt
[04:12] <Blue1> bingo!
[04:12] <Antoniete> django + python + nginx
[04:12] <fgera> there's a #ubuntu-pt also
[04:13] <Blue1> sometimes I can tell korean from chinese --
[04:13] <dr_willis> sometimes i cant understand english... ;)
[04:13] <nsadmin> Antoniete, I'm sorry, and at first glance the grammar of your post is a little hard to understand... maybe it was made by a translate service?
[04:13]  * Blue1 stands in line behind dr_willis
[04:14] <Antoniete> yeap
[04:15] <maum> I cannot hear sound when screensaver activated
[04:15] <maum> does anyone know this issue?
[04:15] <Blue1> maum: i think that's perfectly normal.  ru running reg. screensaver or x-screensaver
[04:15] <nsadmin> lots of times, when I looked it my X log it would say "Direct Rendering enabled"... I don't see that with x.org, what would it say for fglrx to state it's working?
[04:16] <nsadmin> no lines with the word direct (but several with directory)
[04:16] <maum> Blue1: ? if the screen is locked, the sound player doesn't work
[04:16] <Blue1> maum: sound like it might be a power management issue.
[04:17] <dr_willis> or a security feature
[04:17] <Blue1> maum: what sound player ru referring to, btw?
[04:17] <maum> Blue1: sorry, the sound player is still running and I cannot hear the sound.
[04:17] <ponrajuganesh> Greetings!!!
[04:17] <ponrajuganesh> how to uninstall tcl in my system with the terminal
[04:17] <maum> Blue1: audacious
[04:17] <dr_willis> ponrajuganesh:  why do you need to?
[04:18] <ssshvb> Hello my child window  always above the parent. i mean  if i activate parent window  i can see the child window   i wanna  change it   to way   when i activate the parent window  the child going to under the perent
[04:18] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get remove packagenames
[04:18] <ponrajuganesh> because I need to install expect which is only for tcl8.3 -- but what I have got is tcl8.5
[04:18] <dr_willis> 8.3 is in the repos?
[04:19] <celthunder> ssshvb: what app/ui
[04:19] <ssshvb>  gnome
[04:19] <ssshvb> gnome classic 2d
[04:19] <dr_willis> !info expect
[04:21] <ponrajuganesh> dr_willis when I do a remove it says so
[04:21] <ponrajuganesh> http://pastebin.com/88QZcfQU
[04:21] <ponrajuganesh> what could be the fault
[04:22] <ponrajuganesh> got it dr_willis
[04:22] <ponrajuganesh> :) thanks
[04:23] <maum> I cannot hear sound when screen is locked. I use audacious sound player and it was still running though the screen is locked. I want to hear the sound although the screen is locked. how can I do?
[04:24] <Ronin_> hello everyone
[04:25] <Fyodorovna> Guest91704, hello use a nic that is easy to complete.
[04:25] <Blue1> thanks cox
[04:26] <KushTime> Hey guys, I have Ubuntu 11.10 x64 on two machines. First machine I installed PacketTracer 5.3.3. i386 no problem. Second machine it will not run the program but installed PacketTracer fine, I can not seem to uninstall it, and when I run the program it just does not run
[04:26] <Fyodorovna> !pm | Guest91704
[04:27] <Troller> man is ubuntu the best linux for me to use
[04:27] <Troller> to test my gpu?
[04:27] <Troller> i just tried to use a live usb stick
[04:27] <Troller> but it openeed mem test instead
[04:27] <Troller> so im gonna dl another iso
[04:27] <KushTime> Troller, probably not, but it doesn't work so hot with ati cards, just nvidia
[04:27] <maum> I cannot hear sound when screen is locked. I use audacious sound player and it was still running though the screen is locked. I want to hear the sound although the screen is locked. how can I do?
[04:27] <Troller> KushTime what should i get instead?
[04:28] <KushTime> to benchmark your gpu?
[04:28] <nsadmin> hmm, thats exactly what I have too... well, I'll try anyway
[04:28] <Troller> KushTime i wanna see if the drivers work
[04:28] <Troller> cuz the drivers are fucking the windows 7 boot
[04:28] <KushTime> Troller, oh, yeah then ubuntu is the best bet, but it works better with nvidia cards
[04:28] <Troller> so i wanna see if any problem happen
[04:28] <Troller> KushTime yeah it is nvidia
[04:28] <pangolin> Troller: Please mind your language
[04:28] <Fyodorovna> !language >  Troller
[04:28] <Troller> k
[04:29] <Troller> sorry
[04:29] <Ronin10101> ok sorry bout the pm was trying to figure out how to change my nick...
[04:29] <Ronin10101> can someone point me in the right direction for installing ubuntu on my computer
[04:29] <Ronin10101> i just bricked it by trying to update it
[04:30] <Ronin10101> i dont have access to cds or a flash drive so im using an ipod in disc mode
[04:30] <Fyodorovna> Ronin10101, do you have any other OS on it now and if so name them and the release name
[04:30] <Ronin10101> uh
[04:30] <Ronin10101> well its difficult because i have at least 2 ubuntu systems on it
[04:30] <Fyodorovna> such as XP, vista, W7...etc
[04:30] <Ronin10101> both are broken
[04:31] <Ronin10101> i have ubuntu 11.04 and kubuntu 10.04\
[04:31] <Troller> KushTime should i get 64 bit or 32 bit?
[04:31] <Ronin10101> but kubuntu is 64bit
[04:31] <Ronin10101> and thats not my architecture
[04:31] <Troller> my computer is not old btw
[04:31] <KushTime> Troller, that depends on your architecture support and ram you want to utilize
[04:31] <Troller> im using win 7 64 bit
[04:31] <Troller> gtx 570
[04:31] <KushTime> then get 64 bit
[04:31] <Troller> new hardware..
[04:31] <Troller> kk thanks
[04:31] <Ronin10101> for some reason my 64but os was only one to work before i bricked it
[04:32] <Ronin10101> because i broke my 32 bit install first
[04:32] <Troller> well this will take half an hour
[04:32] <Troller> >_<
[04:32] <Ronin10101> i have like 10 partitions at least...
[04:32] <Ronin10101> so installing in a fresh one will be no problem
[04:32] <Ronin10101> just need to figure out how to load disk image from my ipod in bios
[04:32] <Ronin10101> i installed using unetbootin
[04:33] <fgera> hey
[04:33] <fgera> im trying to install nvidia drivers directly from nvidia site
[04:33] <fgera> but I can't open the downloaded driver
[04:33] <fgera> any idea?
[04:33] <Fyodorovna> fgera, did you try the ubuntu install first, the sites will not follow you well.
[04:33] <celthunder> fgera: chmod x
[04:34] <Ronin10101> the reason my current install is bricked is because x cannot find the right protocol
[04:34] <fgera> Fyodorovna, I did. I've been working on this for some hours now
[04:34] <Fyodorovna> fgera, ah.
[04:34] <celthunder> fgera: what happens when you try to run it
[04:35] <fgera> celthunder, I can't run it
[04:35] <athit> Hi,
[04:35] <celthunder> Ronin10101: x not working isnt a brick a brick is when you wreck to an unfixable point
[04:35] <fgera> if I double clikc on the download transfer item it dosen't run also
[04:35] <ab2tractly> fgera you cant run software center?
[04:36] <Ronin10101> celthunder theres a lot more wrong than that i believe
[04:36] <celthunder> fgera: chmod +x file then run it
[04:36] <Ronin10101> the entire system is wrong architecture
[04:36] <Ronin10101> i think it only worked because of some lucky errors
[04:36] <celthunder> Ronin10101: then how did you install it
[04:36] <Ronin10101> i have no idea
[04:36] <celthunder> wrong arch wont even boot
[04:36] <Ronin10101> shoulkdt boot
[04:36] <celthunder> itd fail loading the kernel
[04:36] <Ronin10101> celthunder shouldnt boot
[04:36] <Ronin10101> but it did
[04:37] <Ronin10101> its a moot point
[04:37] <Ronin10101> its a failure
[04:37] <Ronin10101> i have a 32 bit system that i used for the longest
[04:37] <fgera> hmm
[04:37] <Ronin10101> heresa the question im in initramfs how can i load the unetbootin entry off of my ipod
[04:38] <celthunder> fgera: whats the error when you run the installer it doesnt run doesnt help much
[04:38] <Ronin10101> initramfs commands really stump me
[04:38] <Ronin10101> thats why i am stuck
[04:39] <celthunder> Ronin10101: is your ipod fs available even from that point
[04:39] <fgera> it says the file does not exist
[04:39] <Ronin10101> i booted to my ipod in bios
[04:39] <Ronin10101> but then it loaded grub
[04:39] <kylesum> is there a seperate channel for test release discussion i.e. 12.04?
[04:39] <Ronin10101> and it wasnt listed
[04:39] <ab2tractly> fgera try  "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[04:39] <nsadmin> #ubuntu-next?
[04:39] <mobile> sup!
[04:39] <kylesum> thanks i'll have a look.
[04:39] <celthunder> fgera: go to terminal type sh fileyouwanttorun or ./file
[04:39] <nsadmin> soup!
[04:40] <celthunder> ab2tractly: i think he wanted to install from nvidia site for whatever reason
[04:40] <Ronin10101> celthunder, my ipod was listed in the bios, it is functioning as an external hard drive, how can i find its init file location
[04:41] <nsadmin> hm. I'll play with this thing later... driving to marin to play some music!
[04:41] <celthunder> Ronin10101: i suck once in initramfs id boot to it from grub and fix the install in a chroot
[04:42] <Ronin10101> cekthunder: ok ive got to grub2 entry but i dont know how to add a new entry correctly
[04:42] <Ronin10101> *cell
[04:42] <roasted_> Is there some sort of text editor in Ubuntu that will look at two documents and highlight the areas that are different? I'm trying to compare config files I think are corrupt and having this functionality would be very useful.
[04:43] <fgera> ab2tractly, I've done most of what is told in this thread
[04:43] <celthunder> Ronin10101: just edit the current one putting your ipods kernel and rootfs in place of the one defaulted
[04:43] <Ronin10101> ok
[04:43] <Ronin10101> how do i find the kernel and rootfs
[04:43] <fgera> celthunder, I've downloaded it but I can't open it, with sh, chmod + or /file
[04:43] <Ronin10101> some sort of ls command?
[04:43] <fgera> ab2tractly, I've done most of what is told in this thread http://askubuntu.com/questions/68220/system-wont-boot-with-nvidia-driver-enabled
[04:44] <kylesum> roasted_: must it be an editor or have you tried the 'diff' command?
[04:44] <celthunder> fgera: .... right arch?
[04:44] <ab2tractly> fgera oh it wont boot
[04:44] <celthunder> Ronin10101: hd(drive. partition)
[04:44] <Ronin10101> thanks
[04:45] <fgera> ab2tractly, celthunder, if I double clikc on it I get a blank window and nothing happens
[04:46] <celthunder> fgera: first off WHY are you trying to install it with x running
[04:46] <celthunder> thats asking for a crash
[04:46] <roasted_> kylesum, what will diff do?
[04:47] <escott> roasted_, meld is a popular visual diff but gvimdiff also works well
[04:47] <fgera> celthunder, I've been trying everything before. I've trying all the ubuntu drivers and removed xorg.conf
[04:47] <roasted_> escott, I just found an app called diffuse - ever hear o fit?
[04:48] <escott> roasted_, no
[04:48] <roasted_> escott, have you by chance used system-config-samba?
[04:48] <escott> roasted_, no
[04:48] <fgera> celthunder, I've done this http://paste.ubuntu.com/869373/
[04:49] <fgera> celthunder, the better I got was 1024x768 resolution
[04:50] <fgera> celthunder, but still could not get my grafic card regonized by ubuntu
[04:50] <celthunder> fgera: ok.  so all you get is file not found the installer is the right arch it shows up in ls and you made sure x wasnt running when you tried to install it
[04:50] <celthunder> fgera: what card do you have
[04:50] <celthunder> hi escott
[04:51] <fgera> celthunder, an old one: asus v9560 geforce fx5600
[04:52] <celthunder> are the old fx even covered in the newor proprietary modules
[04:52] <celthunder> anyway are all the above statements true?
[04:52] <roasted_> Anybody know why system-config-samba would be crashing on startup? It crashes every time without error...
[04:53] <celthunder> roasted_: anything in the logs
[04:53] <roasted_> celthunder, nothing.
[04:53] <roasted_> celthunder, syslog populates nothing at all when the issue occurs
[04:53] <celthunder> does it crash or give an error if you start it manually
[04:54] <roasted_> celthunder, no crash, no error. just asks for password. I put password in, it disappears, and nothing else happens.
[04:54] <celthunder> also is there a debug mode or something to set the log level higher i dont use samba but im assuming there is
[04:54] <roasted_> no idea :/
[04:57] <ab2tractly> roasted_ you know there are logs specifically for samba right?
[04:59] <Ronin10101> celthunder: Should I install grub to my ipod to make this easier? my brain hurts
[04:59] <roasted_> ab2tractly, would logs from system-config-samba be applied to samba logs, though?
[04:59] <escott> Ronin10101, i'm not sure that grub can boot a usb device. i dont think the bios makes it availabe
[04:59] <Ronin10101> damn
[04:59] <escott> Ronin10101, im pretty sure you need to put the bootloader on the usb device
[04:59] <Ronin10101> can i install it directly on my ipod and use it like a live cd?
[05:00] <Ronin10101> ok
[05:00] <Ronin10101> should i use grub2
[05:00] <escott> Ronin10101, that may not be a normal boot though it might need to be a cd style boot
[05:00] <Ronin10101> ok thanks i have a few more things to try now then
[05:00] <dr_willis> im not sure you can boot from an ipod
[05:01] <escott> Ronin10101, so try putting the bootloader on the usb device if that doesn't work look at unetbootin
[05:01] <Ronin10101> im using unetbootin atm
[05:01] <Ronin10101> i just cant figure out how to make an entry
[05:01] <Ronin10101> in my computers grub
[05:02] <escott> Ronin10101, there shouldnt be an entry. the bios should directly boot the unetbootin device
[05:02] <Ronin10101> yeah
[05:02] <escott> Ronin10101, not all bioses support usb devices
[05:02] <Ronin10101> then i dont think ipods load correctly
[05:02] <dr_willis> grub2 can boot an iso file
[05:02] <Ronin10101> my bios recognized it when in disk mode
[05:02] <escott> Ronin10101, but its not a usb-mass-storage unless you have changed the firmware on the ipod (AFAIK)
[05:03] <Ronin10101> i formatted it and blanked it out right before this.  Id use a flash drive but i dont have one and i found a 150 gb classic ipod.,..,
[05:03] <escott> dr_willis, can grub crossload something on the usb bus. i thought the bios needed to enumerate those devices
[05:03] <savid> Has anyone here successfully installed windows 7 after installing Ubuntu?   Windows seems to  it be able to install on my extra partition.  It gives the error:  "windows cannot be installed to this hard disk space. The selected disk has the maximum number of partitions of this type"
[05:03] <Ronin10101> im going to try to install grub2 and the ubuntu .iso to the ipod
[05:04] <savid> ..which doesn't make sense b/c it's a gpt  drive.
[05:04] <Ronin10101> i love ubuntu i just wish commands were a little more intuitive..
[05:05] <dr_willis> how vague  ;)
[05:05] <escott> savid, does the windows installer know its working with gpt? you could setup a hybrid mbr/gpt and then install as mbr for windows. see rodsbooks.com
[05:06] <thilina> xubuntu
[05:06] <escott> savid, if you have enough space at the front of the disk and the partitions are correctly positioned that might be the easiest setup
[05:06] <savid> Escort, I really have no clue.   I only just learned what gpt meant :-P
[05:07] <savid> escott  *
[05:07] <escott> savid, can you tell me what the partition layout is and where the first partition begins?
[05:08] <Ronin10101> is grub 1.98 regular grub or is it count as grub 2
[05:08] <escott> Ronin10101, grub2 i though ubuntu was up to 1.99 these days
[05:08] <Ronin10101> im sure it is
[05:08] <Ronin10101> =P
[05:09] <savid> escott, Well, that's the weird part.  In Linux I have my gpt partition, swap, root, and unallocated.   But windows installer sees an extra 0byte partition at the beginning.
[05:09] <escott> savid, is this an efi system? i notice you dont have a grub_bios partition
[05:10] <escott> savid, and what type is the 0byte partition
[05:10] <Ronin10101> how would i find my ipod(external hard drive) uuid
[05:11] <escott> Ronin10101, sudo blkid
[05:11] <Ronin10101> thanks
[05:11] <Ronin10101> grub doesnt recognize sudo or blkid is there a command i can use from grub
[05:11] <fgera> escott, I've rebooted but still can't open the file
[05:11] <newer> how to install fvwm
[05:11] <newer> ?
[05:12] <escott> fgera, what file? sorry dont remember this conversation
[05:12] <savid> escott,  well, that's another thing I'm not sure of.   I had Ubuntu installed normally (bios),  but had an empty fat partition in front in case i needed it later.  I then installed windows,  but in order to recover grub, I learned I had to set up that first partition as bios_grub
[05:12] <fgera> escott, nvidia driver
[05:12] <fgera> escott, NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.31-pkg1.run
[05:13] <savid> escott, but now windows partition won't show up again so I'm trying to install it again
[05:13] <escott> fgera, im not sure i was talking to you earlier. i think it was someone else. generally i would not recommend installing through anything but jockey
[05:13] <savid> (Sorry, typing is slow on a tablet)
[05:13] <roasted_> Anybody out there using system-config-samba to manage Samba shares? It seems to be crashing on me on my 11.10 install. No error at all, it just flat out doesn't come up, even with a re-install...
[05:14] <escott> savid, ok. so you have a bios system. you dont have a efi partition instead you have a bios_grub
[05:14] <savid> escott, yes it appears so.
[05:15] <makoy-08> ghost makoy hanku16
[05:15] <Ronin10101> what command lists all partitions in grub2
[05:15] <Ronin10101> i cant find it in documentation
[05:16] <escott> savid, here is how i would recommend setting things up: efi partition beginning at 1mb (yes you aren't efi but this may avoid some issues) 100mb, windows partition (you pick the size), bios_grub, ubuntu
[05:16] <escott> savid, sorry efi should be 100mb (per spec IIRC)
[05:16] <savid> escott, so...  I have to reinstall ubuntu?
[05:16] <escott> savid, actually holdon let me reread the relevant section of the docs
[05:17] <savid> OK, thx
[05:17] <berevgia> i have ubuntu 10.04, my wireless only works if i previously execute: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart, if not i get wrong password error. I use wicd. Any idea on how to fix that? i found out about installing an old version of wicd 1.6.
[05:18] <Troller> at the Set a persistent file size to store changes
[05:18] <Troller> Can I put as much as I want?
[05:18] <Troller> i have 3.137gb
[05:18] <athit> Hi,
[05:18] <Troller> universal usb installer btw..
[05:18] <Troller> trying to boot ubuntu from the usb
[05:19] <fgera> escott, sorry then. I'm trying to get the nvidia driver working. 1- I've tried all the ubuntu drivers. 2- removed all nvidia drivers. 3- removed, reinstalled and re-configured xorg.conf. 4- tried again the "additional drivers" from ubuntu. 5- also run sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic-pae. 6- could not open the nvidia driver file directly downloaded from nvidia site
[05:19] <escott> savid, Overall, hybrid MBRs should be avoided. I've included support for them in GPT fdisk only because certain popular OSes (read: Microsoft Windows, at least through Windows 7) can't boot from GPT disks on BIOS-based computers.
[05:19] <roasted_> Anybody out there using system-config-samba to manage Samba shares? It seems to be crashing on me on my 11.10 install. No error at all, it just flat out doesn't come up, even with a re-install...
[05:20] <celthunder> Ronin10101: why would that make it easier
[05:20] <escott> savid, thats why the windows installer is all confused. it wants to install an efi bootloader, but it cant because you have no efi partition
[05:21] <savid> escott, here's what windows installer currently shows: http://imgur.com/COFvn
[05:21] <savid> escort, can I trick it into thinking that my first partition is efi?
[05:22] <savid> escott *
[05:22] <mcurran> I have both these processors and I was wondering if I should swap out the x2 220 for the older phenom 9150e, anyone have a suggestion?  http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Compare/Products?SearchFacets=&SearchTerms=x2+250&LowestPrice=&HighestPrice=&SortBy=&id=ADX220OCK22GM&id=HD9150ODJ4BGH
[05:22] <zhjawe_> hello,my mldonkey disconnected and display "Stopping MLDonkey: mlnetNo process in pidfile '/var/run/mldonkey/mlnet.pid' found running; none killed." when I want to restart server.  when i want to stop mldonkey server
[05:22] <savid> (Stupid autocorrect)
[05:22] <escott> savid, its no good you have to go hybrid is my understanding
[05:22] <ab2tractly> roasted_ the reviews under ubuntu software center suggest installing python-glade2
[05:22] <savid> escott, what do you mean by hybrid?
[05:23] <zhjawe_> what reason about the error?
[05:23] <escott> savid, this means you will have an mbr partition and a gpt partition table. the mbr will look somewhat like the gpt, and windows will boot thinking it is mbr, but ubuntu will see the gpt and do things correctly
[05:23] <escott> savid, windows will not be able to access anything beyond the 2TB mbr limit
[05:23] <Analana> Hi boys!
[05:23] <stercor> I can't start apache.  Something else is listening on port 80.  How do I find out what it is?  #httpd sent me here.
[05:23] <tazjin> Can I configure a VPN so that it only routes the traffic of certain applications?
[05:24] <Flannel> stercor: It's probably apache.
[05:24] <ab2tractly> stercor sudo netstat -tulp
[05:24] <Analana> Can I install Ubuntu on my mobile phone?
[05:24] <savid> escott, don't I already have an mbr partition?
[05:24] <Flannel> stercor: When you install apache with the package manager, it starts automatically.
[05:24] <stercor> Flannel: ps ax | grep httpd reveals nothing.
[05:24] <escott> savid, the mbr partition table will look like: 0xEE (gpt partition beginning in sector 2 to protect the gpt structures and the gpt partition) and running up to the beginning of the windows partition. then the windows partition, and then if there is anything after the windows but less than 2TiB that needs another protective partition (or it shows as unallocated)
[05:25] <Flannel> stercor: you can check with ... try grep apache
[05:25] <escott> savid, http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/hybrid.html
[05:25] <Analana> Ubuntu have it edition? For phones?
[05:25] <aeon-ltd> Analana: android? there may be hope
[05:25] <zhjawe_> hello,my mldonkey disconnected and display "Stopping MLDonkey: mlnetNo process in pidfile '/var/run/mldonkey/mlnet.pid' found running; none killed." when I want to restart server.
[05:25] <Analana> no just Nokia
[05:25] <thetrav> I have ssh access to a desktop which is running a gui, but I don't have keyboard & monitor attached.  How do I set up desktop sharing for that gui session via the console?
[05:25] <escott> savid, you may have some kind of mbr but its out of sync with the proper gpt partition table
[05:25] <savid> escott, not sure where I would see "0xEE"...
[05:25] <aeon-ltd> Analana: probably not without huge amounts of hacking, unless this is a tablet type phone
[05:26] <stercor> Flannel: That's what it is... Thankd@
[05:26] <escott> savid, you would see it in gdisk
[05:26] <Flannel> stercor: check with "service status apache"
[05:26] <stercor> /d@/s!/
[05:26] <savid> ugh.  when did partitioning get so complicated.  it used to be so simple.
[05:26] <Flannel> stercor: er, I guess it's probably apache2.
[05:26] <savid> escott, not sure what gdisk is.  i generally use gparted.
[05:26] <escott> savid, welcome to the hell that is the mbr/gpt and bios/efi transition
[05:26] <savid> escott, it is a fresh hell.
[05:27] <Analana> Ubuntu have phone edition now?
[05:27] <aeon-ltd> Analana: why anyway? you would need something close 1ghz to get even a remotely tolerable experience, unless you want linux in general
[05:27] <escott> savid, so lets just lay out how we want to do it, and then i can leave you with some instructions to implement
[05:27] <escott> savid, i need to know how big the disk is and how much space you want to allocate to windows/ubuntu
[05:27] <savid> escott, ok.  it's a 750GB disk.  I want roughly equal space for ubuntu/windows.
[05:28] <ab2tractly> they are coming out with a ubuntu/android phone
[05:28] <Analana> Ubuntu have low edition. Who will fast work on phones?
[05:28] <escott> savid, in that case why are you using gpt?
[05:28] <savid> escott, I thought I had no choice :-P
[05:28] <escott> savid, its less than 2TiB you can and should use mbr
[05:28] <savid> escott,  so how do I *not* use GPT
[05:29] <savid> escott, when I originally partitioned the drive I just used gparted.
[05:29] <jnockels> Hi, is this the right channel to be in to ask for help with ubuntu? I have done something stupid and cant fix it
[05:29] <chromaticwt> is there a command to report bugs?
[05:29] <escott> savid, boot the livecd, install gdisk, then use gdisk to create a hybrid and tell it you want to save all partitions except the grub_bios partition. then delete the gpt partition that will switch you to pure mbr. at that point you can do a grub-install
[05:29] <chromaticwt> I'm testing 12.04
[05:29] <TuneChi> If i try installing ubuntu from pc and not from a disc will it work?
[05:30] <escott> savid, which will put grub in the mbr instead of in the grub_bios and you shouldn't lose any data
[05:30] <Analana> Hi all! My name is Ana and i like ...
[05:30] <escott> !precise | chromaticwt
[05:31] <fgera> escott, I've rebooted. not sure if you answred me last time. could you retype it if you did?
[05:31] <savid> escott, and "use gdisk to create a hybrid" is straight-forward?  not sure exactly what that entails, unless you're talking about just selecting an option called "hybrid" somewhere...
[05:31] <Analana> Hi all! My name is Ana and i like ...
[05:31] <escott> savid, this is assuming you have a bios system (so make sure thats correct)
[05:31] <escott> fgera, im sorry but im not the person who was/is helping you with nvidia
[05:31] <Analana> escott,?
[05:31] <fgera> escott, your great anyway. :) thanks
[05:31] <savid> escott, it's a macbook pro, if that tells you anything   :-P
[05:32] <Analana> np
[05:32] <escott> savid, ohhh then it is efi
[05:32] <savid> escott,  yeah but I don't think I installed ubuntu in EFI mode
[05:32] <escott> savid, are you using bootcamp? or did you remove osx
[05:32] <Analana> escott, you is nerd?
[05:32] <savid> escott, removed OSX.  it broke after I installed ubuntu but I didn't need it.
[05:33] <Analana> escott, Do you have a girlfriend?
[05:33] <savid> escott, I eventually wiped the whole drive and started fresh
[05:33] <TuneChi> Ubuntu does not want to install on my pc it says connot locate disc image files. Why?
[05:33] <roasted_> yay. fixed samba gui http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1869247&highlight=samba+gui
[05:33] <Analana> escott, or she have you?
[05:33] <bazhang> !ot | Analana
[05:33] <escott> savid, i would imagine you are better off using OSX and bootcamp
[05:34] <chiques_> anyone have an idea why when I install Compiz Fusion my desktop goes to crap? I loose my 11.10 menu and all I see is my wall paper and some standard window menu
[05:34] <Analana> oh ok
[05:34] <Analana> i have question
[05:34] <Analana> Hi all! My name is Ana and i like ...
[05:34] <Analana> oops
[05:34] <escott> savid, while people (like you) have successfully gotten ubuntu to boot on efi macs, im not sure if thats true of windows
[05:34] <savid> escott, I'm just using the mac bootloader.  it's been working well enough for now
[05:34] <bazhang> Analana, this is NOT the chat channel
[05:34] <Analana> HEEEEELP!!!????
[05:34] <Analana> how no?
[05:34] <Analana> we all chatting here...
[05:35] <bazhang> Analana, #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat. this channel is ubuntu support only
just a guess but i oesn't have write permission just del the .dot files and relogin
[05:35] <TuneChi> What should i do?
[05:35] <escott> savid, I would think the best thing to do is go ahead and use a small amount of space 10gb or so to install OSX and then setup bootcamp to boot everything else
[05:35] <Analana> bazhang, We can go private ...
[05:35] <chiques_> insmod, Where are the .dot files? In my home folder?
[05:35] <prajosh> I have some wifi related questions
[05:36] <bazhang> Analana, ---->  /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:36] <savid> escott, unfortunately my macbook didn't come with physical install media.  I think I have to go buy it now.
[05:36] <escott> savid, that way you will have OSX to rescue the system/update firmware/etc with whatever support apple provides
[05:36] <Analana> But i have question here
[05:36] <prajosh> my wifi card doesnot connect to hidden network
[05:36] <Analana> About Ubuntu
[05:36] <escott> savid, borrow it from somebody. you already paid for it when you bought the system
that means hidden files use midnight commante or slocate etc
[05:36] <szal> Analana: then ask & stick to the topic
[05:37] <savid> yeah, I guess I'd have had to do that eventually.   this thing has been a pain in my rear, wishing I'd stuck w/ a pc.  I just liked that sexy macbook hardware ;-)
[05:37] <chiques_> insmod, I know how to show hidden files but I don't see anything labeled ".dot" in my /home folder
[05:37] <savid> I just wish I could make it simple like back in the old days :-P
[05:38] <escott> savid, its just a big can of worms because osx while being efi is not fully compliant with the efi spec (see mathew garretts blog)
[05:38] <Analana> Can i install Ubuntu on my mobile vibrator?
[05:38] <mosno> what's with the deja dup notification on gnome shell? it's unreadable
[05:38] <escott> savid, and then windows support for efi is very limited and new. you can ask around/check online, maybe you can get windows to boot efi directly
 i ment dot as in hidden look in .gconf .Gnome2 etc ell just get rid of them all then login
[05:38] <icedtea> lol
[05:39] <icedtea> another troll bites the dust
[05:41] <escott> savid, i did find one blog saying they were able to get windows 7 to boot directly on apple efi, so it might be possible, but it sounds like you have some weird setup going on where maybe you tried to use bootcamp to install ubuntu (ie why do you have a grub_bios partition)
[05:42] <savid> escott,  I don't think I ever used bootcamp for anything
[05:42] <escott> savid, so what grub did you end up installing? because if you had a true efi boot you would have had to have installed grub-efi. and you would not have a grub_bios partition
[05:44] <savid> escott,  I just used the ubuntu installer to repartition the drive.   I don't think I ever was able to do a true EFI boot.   At one point someone told me to make a fat32 partition for EFI, and that ubuntu would automatically use that for EFI boot, but it never did.  so I ended up with that partition just being empty up front.
[05:44] <savid> escott, when I installed windows,  I had to recover grub,  and grub wouldn't let me install unless I had a grub_boot partition.
[05:44] <escott> savid, so thats the efi partition which is required as part of the efi spec, but osx doesn't use it the way the spec says its supposed to use it
[05:44] <savid> so that's what I used my empty fat32 partition for.
[05:45] <savid> escott, but I don't even use OSX any more, so it shouldn't matter, right?
[05:46] <escott> savid, and you would have to install the efi version of grub which would put all its files in that fat partition. you have something else going on (i dont know what exactly) my guess is that you have a bios grub installed somewhere?? and the osx efi implementation is noticing that and doing the bootcamp bios emulation for you to chainload grub
[05:46] <Jordan_U> escott: savid: With intel macs it's recommended that you *not* boot via EFI.
[05:47] <Troller> can anyone help me? I wanna install nvidia drivers on ubuntu 11.10 64 bit
[05:47] <axisys> i am faling to login to my desktop . after I put my password it returns me back to login.. using ubuntu 11.10 64bit with default unity
[05:47] <Troller> but im totally linux begginer
[05:47] <escott> savid, so my guess is that you are using bootcamp without knowing it, but i dont know for sure. long and short if you just install osx, and use bootcamp you can boot both windows and ubuntu without much difficulty
[05:47] <savid> escott, but again, I don't have osx nor have I used bootcamp
[05:47] <axisys> any suggestion how to reset ?
[05:47] <Troller> can someone point me in the right direction?
[05:47] <savid> escott, unless I'm misunderstanding what bootcamp is
[05:48] <escott> savid, bootcamp is just a bios emulation layer implemented in efi together with a nice gui in the osx system
[05:48] <szal> !nvidia | Troller
[05:48] <Fyodorovna> axisys, this a fresh install and or  is the password not working
[05:48] <Troller> ubottu:  thanks
[05:48] <escott> savid, so it makes your efi system look like a nice normal mbr pc_bios system which can boot windows easily
[05:48] <axisys> Fyodorovna: password works on F1 window.. this is not fresh install
[05:49] <savid> escott, if it's worth anything, this is how parted sees my partition scheme:   http://dpaste.com/711745/
[05:49] <axisys> Fyodorovna: in other ttys that is..e.g Alt+Ctl+F1
[05:49] <escott> savid, and my guess is that the gui in osx is just a luxury and that somehow you got the bootcamp drivers to automatically detect the mbr stuff and boot that way
[05:49] <axisys> i think i need to reset the unity ?
[05:49] <axisys> Fyodorovna: ^
[05:50] <Jordan_U> savid: What problem are you having exactly?
[05:50] <Fyodorovna> axisys, you can't boot to the desktop from the tty or a recovery kernel?
[05:50] <savid> escott, I'm just not sure how I would have used bootcamp for anything when I completely nuked OSX
[05:50] <axisys> Fyodorovna: i can login fine from non gui terminals
[05:50] <Fyodorovna> !fsck
[05:51] <savid> Jordan_U,  I'm trying to get windows installed on here after having installed ubuntu.   It's a long story,  I'll try and rehash it for you if you're willing to help :)
[05:51] <escott> savid, thats assuming that bootcamp needs the osx stuff to work. if i were implementing bootcamp i would just have an efi driver that scans the partition table and enables bios emulation for anything that is not OSX
[05:51] <axisys> Fyodorovna: that was for me?
[05:51] <escott> savid, and if thats how apple implemented it then you are using bootcamp, you just dont know it
[05:52] <savid> escott, so is the thing that pops up when I hold down the option key during boot what you're referring to as bootcamp?  I thought that was something different...   There is also the BIOS implementation which is separate. I don't know what's officially considered "Boot Camp" by Apple, but those are two very different things.
[05:52] <Fyodorovna> axisys, this is not a real strong area for me, you might give some background on what has led you to this for the channels helpers.
[05:52] <Troller> szal:  so easy man
[05:52] <Troller> thanks a lot
[05:53] <savid> I'm SO confused.
[05:53] <Troller> its downloading the stuff
[05:53] <Troller> :)
[05:53] <escott> savid, in any case you will not be able to boot windows with the current layout, because you dont have an efi partition. you could shrink the bios_grub (it can be as small as 1mb) and make the newely freed space into efi partition and maybe that would make windows happy
[05:53] <Meikat> I'm having a bit of an issue with sound on my HP mini 1010nr.  I've been using Ubuntu on it for nearly a year.  This install of 10.10 is probably 5 months old and has worked flawlessly until last night.  The headphone jack (it's a single 3.5 jack that handles line in and line out) is no longer working for output, only input.  However, when I plug something in (mouse, headphones, or headset) the speakers disable, so I can't hear anythi
[05:53] <Meikat> *mouse = mic
[05:54] <savid> escott, how do I make windows "think" that the new partition is an EFI partition?  Is there a special flag for EFI?
[05:54] <axisys> my laptop went down since there was no power. when power came back, I can login fine to non gui ttys.. but not unity/gnome.. the default desktop environment.. which is tty7 for me
[05:54] <escott> Jordan_U, ok so it does use a hybrid. fun. im just thinking in terms of the bootloader and the bios emulation. i think savid is using that without knowing it
[05:54] <Jordan_U> escott: That is incorrect. An EFI System Partition will not help savid boot Windows in any way. Windows doesn't support Apple's EFI.
[05:54] <axisys> how do I reset the unity.. should I remove the .gnome2 ?
[05:54] <savid> hah, yeah, I'm doing a lot of stuff without knowing what I'm doing.   I
[05:55] <axisys> and .gconf ?
[05:55] <escott> Jordan_U, I saw some bloggers saying they had done it. i've been recommending that savid reinstall osx and use bootcamp directly
[05:55] <Jordan_U> escott: Savid is definitely using Apple's BIOS impletementation to boot Ubuntu. And that's the best way to go.
[05:55] <iriwbo> How can I check which package is being used for playing flash content in web browsers?
[05:55] <savid> Jordan_U,  is there a way I could install windows and then use GRUB to boot windows?
[05:55] <axisys> in the past there used to be a gnome-cleanup like tool to fix this
[05:55] <escott> savid, the problem you have is that your disk is gpt and must be gpt because you system is efi
[05:56] <escott> savid, but you want to do a bios boot for windows, and windows does not support bios/gpt boots
[05:56] <Jordan_U> escott: No, savid's disk does not need to use GPT.
[05:56] <savid> escott,  so EFI is a hardware thing?
[05:56] <escott> Jordan_U, if he doesnt want OSX he can dump the gpt entirely?
[05:57] <Jordan_U> escott: Correct. That is what I was going to recommend for Windows compatability.
[05:57] <savid> ...which probably means I'd have to reinstall ubuntu.
[05:57] <escott> Jordan_U, ok wouldn't have thought that was safe. but ill leave him to you then. crazy hardware
[05:57] <Troller> so with ubuntu i cant access my windows 7 folder?
[05:57] <Troller> because its ntfs?
[05:57] <escott> Troller, you should be able to. make sure ntfs-3g is installed
[05:57] <Troller> also what game could i install to test out my gpu?
[05:58] <Troller> that is a rather recent game
[05:58] <savid> Jordan_U,  is it possible to do what you're saying without having to start from scratch?
[05:58] <Troller> with cool graphics and physics...
[05:58] <Troller> escott:  thanks
[05:58] <Jordan_U> savid: Do you have all important data backed up? There is a low risk of data loss when converting GPT to msdos, but you should have important files backed up anyway :)
[05:58] <Troller> now i gotta figure out how to navigate in explorer here
[05:58] <Troller> haha
[05:58] <Jordan_U> savid: Yes.
[05:58] <savid> Jordan_U, this is my current layout: http://dpaste.com/711745/
[05:58] <savid> Jordan_U, yes, I have important stuff backed up.
[05:59] <funky_c> Hey everyone - just loaded up the latest ubuntu for a server and noticed accounts-daemon was taking up ~100 Mb of memory. Anyone know what that is / if I need it? Not finding useful info on the net.
[06:00] <Troller> anyone recommend me some games??
[06:00] <Troller> i wanna test my gpu
[06:00] <Troller> with nvidia drive
[06:00] <Jordan_U> savid: Then I would recommend that you boot from an Ubuntu LiveCD/USB, delete the BIOS Boot Partition (labeled bios_grub), convert to an msdos parititon table, re-install grub to test that Ubuntu still boots, resize your Ubuntu partition to make room for Windows, install Windows, then re-install grub again (as the Windows install will have clobbered it).
[06:01] <savid> Jordan_U, ok, how do I convert to an msdos partition table?  does gparted have an option for that?
[06:01] <Jordan_U> savid: GParted does not, but gdisk (GPT Fdisk) does.
[06:01] <savid> Ah, ok.
[06:02] <annath> Is there any way in Ubuntu (11.10 with nvidia graphics and drivers installed) to make multiple monitors work more smoothly? At present if I connect to a second monitor I have to manually go to the nvidia settings and set it to twinview, and I have to remember to disable when done(if I just unplug it, Ubuntu doesn't seem to know it's gone and allows me to lose stuff by placing it on the second screen)? If I try to use the Dis
[06:02] <annath> plays settings dialog it doesn't even detect that I have a second monitor plugged in.
[06:02] <savid> Jordan_U, Ok, thanks.  I'll try that tomorrow I guess.  getting to late to dive into it more tonight.
[06:02] <savid> escott, Jordan_U,  thanks a bunch for the help.  much appreciated.
[06:02] <funky_c> Anyone know if i can get rid of accounts-daemon on my web server box (Oneric)?
[06:03] <Jordan_U> savid: OK. The important documentation is http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/mbr2gpt.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#ChRoot