[00:44] <darkxst> stiv2k, Aus
[01:09] <stiv2k> darkxst: oh
[01:09] <stiv2k> darkxst: i am building gnome-control-center now'
[10:01] <hubx> darkxst, hubert here. concerning the test I would have imagined something like load all modules create a new GSDDevices instances see if IS_GSD_DEVICE return true for that instance.. I'm coming from OO-world so I you see why I like more abstract than comparing pointers ;)
[10:02] <hubx> working on gnome more sure! but atm I just want a working desktop env so next I would tackle some CPU intense plugins like pixel saver.
[10:08] <darkxst> hubx, but the bug wasnt in IS_GSD_DEVICE, and certainly not limited to that, if you really wanted to test for it, would need to be generic and therefore probably in glib
[10:10] <darkxst> and so far as I can tell, -Bsymbolic-functions is generally considered a bit dangerous, and no other distro's use it, so upstream may not even accept the tests
[10:11] <darkxst> hubx, why would pixel saver cause high GPU load? doesn't seem like the type of extension that would cause that
[10:11] <darkxst> s/GPU/CPU/
[10:11] <hubx> well I regard this as an integration test, not as a unit tests.. but maybe lets discuss this in more depth on a mailing list or whatever
[10:13] <hubx> pixel saver: https://github.com/deadalnix/pixel-saver/issues/25 with the mentioned fix instead of 100% CPU usage its down to spikes of ~15 .. which is not really acceptable for me
[10:14] <darkxst> I'm not convinced its worth the effort, while the GType system is used extensively across most of GNOME, the cases where you have plugins sharing objects is very limited.
[10:16] <hubx> in a testing framework like rspec this should be like 5 loc, but I never done a integration test in C, so effort might vary a lot
[10:19] <darkxst> hubx, that seems suss to me, if you want to detect when a window is added, then it should be using signals and not Mainloop.idle_add
[10:21] <darkxst> (not actually read the code though, apart from what is in the issue report
[10:24] <darkxst> hubx, effort as in I think there plenty more worthwhile things to work on, than some obscure linker problem
[10:26] <darkxst> C tests are generally pretty simple, but not like the higher level testing frameworks
[10:27] <darkxst> since you seem interested in testing, autopilot would like to (or I would like it to) grow support for a clutter backend, so we could use that with gnome-shell ;)
[10:27] <hubx> darkxst, okay name the 3 important things for me then?
[10:28] <darkxst> what 3 important things?
[10:29] <hubx> things that need work and are more worthwhile I mean
[10:29] <darkxst> I mentioned 1 just above
[10:30] <darkxst> in general hooking upstream testcases to autopkgtests, that run on jenkins (only about half those are done)
[10:32] <darkxst> but the #1 one thing we are completely misssing is an automated test to tell if gnome-shell even loads properly (since autopilot doesnt support it)
[10:32] <darkxst> fedora do that with screenshots though
[10:32] <darkxst> and thats just the testing side, there are a few largish patch reworks required for gnome-control-center
[10:36] <hubx> mhh sounds like a of work ;) I will look into autopilot and clutter if I want to procrastinate my thesis.. thanks for the talk :)
[10:38] <darkxst> thats barely scratching the surface
[10:38] <darkxst> what are you studying
[10:41] <darkxst> hubx, even just a screenshot based test would be an improvement, that can probably be done from autopkgtests
[10:42] <darkxst> and they are nice, since they get triggered anytime a reverse-depend gets a new build
[10:53] <darkxst> hubx, also some upstream projects are using dogtail, so that could also be an option
[11:05] <hubx> darkxst, its called IT-Systems-Engineering (http://hpi.de).. its a sort of applied computer science
[11:07] <darkxst> I'm doing a PhD in photonics
[11:12] <hubx> oh thats sounds interesting :)
[13:49] <LinDol> hi all
[17:50] <che68_> Hi :) ... since I installed on my Ubuntu-Gnome Cinnamon 15:04 I find the Drawer full of software (probably employed by Cinnamon), I can hide these packages ?? Thanks :)
[19:21] <darthanubis> ubuntu-gnome-cinnamon?
[19:21] <darthanubis> Is that a thing?
[20:57] <Noskcaj> darthanubis, no
[20:58] <Noskcaj> they where talking about ubuntu-gnome with cinnamon installed
[21:05] <darthanubis> sounds like a bad idea to me


[04:59] <cyberanger> Happy New Year!
[06:00] <cyberanger> Happy New Year!
[06:18] <Juzzy> ditto
[15:35] <wrst> morning chris4585
[15:46] <wrst> hello rcs
[15:47] <rcs> howdy!
[15:48] <rcs> first time in irc, and checking it out for the upcoming meeting; looks like it works and I'll try to see y'all then.
[15:48] <wrst> cool rcs how are you doing?
[15:49] <rcs> rockin the meerkat, and have been an ubuntu regular for some time; happy new year!  how are you doing?
[15:51] <rcs> freenode node selections are weird; clicking on wrst shows your server Newark, NJ and mine London, England but am in TN.
[15:52] <wrst> rcs: you might want an irc client on your desktop it makes things a lot easier
[15:53] <wrst> but i'm doing great i'm just avoiding the rain today!
[15:53] <rcs> any favorite clients wrst?
[15:54] <rcs> (I just went to http://webchat.freenode.net/ in chrome)
[15:54] <rcs> howdy chris4585
[15:55] <wrst> well if you use pidgin or empathy they have irc as part of them, they aren't the best in my book but aren't bad, xchat is good and quassel also is pretty good
[15:55] <wrst> rcs: did you just join the team?
[15:56] <rcs> joined some moons ago but never had a working IRC; saw the announcement in email and tried again, won
[15:56] <wrst> ha ha cool
[15:57] <wrst> but any of those clients are good and probably a little more reliable than the web chat
[15:57] <rcs> thx, I'll check those out!
[15:58] <wrst> in the repos so easy to get through software center
[15:59] <rcs> thx; installed things before but connection strings never made sense before somehow; pretty obvious when I came in this time; musta had a "vista moment" ;-)
[16:00] <wrst> ha ha :)
[16:01] <rcs> meeting announcement came through with link to add to calendar, which was helpful
[16:01] <wrst> that was cool, way to go cyberanger !
[16:02] <rcs> [I have never used Vista.  Personally Ubuntu has been primary computer since before 7.10, but EVERYTHING has worked well since then]
[16:03] <rcs> are you a chapter member, and if so, how long?
[16:03] <wrst> i think i have been around here for about 2 years or so rcs
[16:03] <rcs> active group wrst?
[16:04] <wrst> yes pretty active
[16:04] <wrst> what part of the state are you in rcs ?
[16:05] <rcs> cool!  disappointed linux fest not in ATL past year.  I'm in Knoxville.
[16:08] <wrst> ok cool we have a couple of guys in that are, cyberanger  for one and the most active of all of us
[16:08] <wrst> he is actually south of knoxville
[16:33] <rcs> thx wrst, good to meet you.  offline for now. bcnu.
[17:44] <chibihogoshino> morning
[18:18] <chibihogoshino> any ones resolution going to be to grow a freedom beard ?
[18:20] <wrst> what is that chibihogshino?
[18:20] <chibihogoshino> grew a beard for freedom
[18:20] <chibihogoshino> like the gnu people
[18:21] <chibihogoshino> ya know.. stallman
[20:35] <wrst> ha,ha I think I will pass
[23:20] <chibihogoshino> aww..
[23:20] <chibihogoshino> just think wrst, we could have a gathering of the beards


[07:20] <ovidiu-florin> hello friends
[07:20] <ovidiu-florin> good morning
[07:24] <soee> hiho
[07:26] <Tm_T> moin
[08:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:33] <clivejo> Riddell: when building in pbuilder, is the environment destroyed after?
[09:33] <Riddell> clivejo: yes
[09:33] <Riddell> it's why I only use pbuilder for a final check
[09:33] <Riddell> and normally build either on my local system if I think it's close enough to where I want to put the package or in a manual chroot
[09:34] <clivejo> there was a few missing files in the pbuild I run last night
[09:34] <clivejo> took a few hours :/
[09:35] <clivejo> so quilt is used more for host OS changes to CMAKE files
[09:36] <clivejo> ie for debian
[09:38] <Riddell> any patch we want to apply, maybe we want to put unicorns in the default kword template
[09:38] <Riddell> but in kubuntu at least we have a policy against unicorns (sorry sitter) because they should be applied upstream in KDE
[09:38] <sitter> :O
[09:38] <Riddell> otherwise it becomes impossible to maintain and the quality drops, as you discovered by just trying to update a few patches here
[09:39] <Riddell> so patches are only added when something is really needed in kubuntu and not needed upstream in KDE which is rare, or maybe a fix from upstream KDE we take that isn't in the released tar
[09:39] <Riddell> debian have their own rules of course, and we take from debian so lots of our patches (managed by quilt) are from them
[09:39] <clivejo> can you give an example of a Kubuntu patch applied by us?
[09:40] <Riddell> debian/patches/kubuntu_qtquick-plugin-directory.diff for example
[09:40] <Riddell> in calligra
[09:40] <Riddell> which we need because we use funky multiarch paths to allow i386 and amd64 stuff to be co-installable
[09:41] <sitter> judging from the name it is a patch that shouldn't be there :P
[09:41] <Riddell> so ${CMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR} isn't what upstream expects it to be
[09:41] <sitter> description confirms
[09:41] <Riddell> so we change it
[09:41] <Riddell> but as sitter says, maybe there's a better way I didn't think of at the time where it could be fixed upstream for everyone
[09:41] <Riddell> to be fair I did ask boud from calligra when I wrote that and he said it was the right thing to do
[09:42] <sitter> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=phonon.git&a=blob&h=3ec9d2f5b5e8768ea160fb33d7128e863b8edfff&hb=f9a268d386f0dcaece6232bf5c9e4b87ebc37cef&f=CMakeLists.txt#l127
[09:44] <sitter> Riddell: patch becomes obsolete with kf5 port since ECM implements what phonon had 5 years ago in a more generic manner :P
[09:44] <Riddell> :)
[10:09] <clivejo> why is there a policy against unicorns?
[10:18] <Riddell> clivejo: unicorns are fine if upstream adds them, but unicorns added only in kubuntu could become unsustainable, we don't have the stables or vet skills needed
[10:19] <Riddell> and where would we supply all the fairy dust needed from?
[10:19] <Riddell> and if they died because we didn't have enough fairy dust think of the bad publicity
[10:20] <clivejo> discrimation!
[10:21] <clivejo> discrimination :P
[10:21] <sitter> well, we don't accept ponies either
[10:22] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm moving about the qa.kubuntu build status pages, which one are you using?
[10:23] <clivejo>  thei debuild is so long!!
[10:23] <clivejo> really is a winter activity
[10:25] <sitter> search for ccache and icecream/icecc and eatmydata and check debuild's -nc option
[10:25] <sitter> also
[10:25] <sitter> Riddell: didn't I have a hook for pbuilder to drop to terminal?
[10:25] <sitter> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Using_the_Kubuntu_pbuilder_hooks look, I am famous
[10:25] <sitter> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks/view/head:/C10shell
[10:26] <sitter> there, most useful hook ever
[10:26] <sitter> someone really needs to rewrite pbuilder on top of lxc
[10:26] <Riddell> lxc? isn't it all docker these days?
[10:27] <sitter> same tech, different frontends
[10:28] <sitter> OTOH docker has a proper ruby api gem, so there's that xD
[11:05]  * seaLne pokes people coming to akademy to register https://akademy.kde.org/2015/register
[11:45] <sebas> seaLne: is BoF registration already open?
[11:49] <seaLne> it will be the same as previous years, not sure if anyone has created the wiki pages yet. biab
[12:23] <sgclark> Riddell: I am not using any status pages yet. No where close to that point yet.
[12:24] <Riddell> :(
[12:24] <sgclark> makes me really come to appreciate our scripts haha
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:51] <soee> oh shutdown fixed in Plasma 5.3.2 :D
[13:51]  * soee happy
[14:55] <clivejo> Riddell: still getting this error - dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library liblibglobal.so.14 needed by debian/krita/usr/lib/kde4/kritalutdocker.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[14:56] <Riddell> clivejo: ignore that one, it's installed specially in debian/rules
[14:56] <Riddell> because it doesn't exist in arm
[14:59] <Riddell> ah, can't ignore it, it's an shlibs error
[15:00] <Riddell> pastebin  debian/krita/usr/lib/kde4/kritalutdocker.so ?
[15:05] <Riddell> clivejo: looks like libglobal is indeed a new library, just add it to krita.install
[15:05] <Riddell> it's probably in debian/tmp/usr/lib/liblibglobal.so.1234
[15:08] <clivejo> there are 3
[15:08] <clivejo> ./usr/lib/liblibglobal.so.14.0.0, liblibglobal.so, liblibglobal.so.14
[15:09] <clivejo> so just use the so.14 one?
[15:14] <clivejo> I added it to krita.install, but stil getting the error - dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library liblibglobal.so.14 needed by debian/krita/usr/lib/kde4/kritatooltransform.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[15:14] <clivejo> this is where I got stuck last time
[15:16] <clivejo> ah
[15:17] <clivejo> not-installed must override *.install
[15:22] <clivejo> still complaining about it!
[15:28] <clivejo> Riddell: any ideas?
[15:36] <clivejo> maybe Im putting them in wrong package, should I try calligra-libs instead of krita?
[15:40] <clivejo> the readme me doesnt mention anything about liblibglobal :/
[16:13] <seaLne> sebas: we will be announcing the BoFs shortly
[16:57] <ahoneybun> please please get 5.3.2 out fast as it has a fix for shutting down!
[17:23] <ahoneybun> oohhhh: http://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=kde-vdg-design&image=kde_vdg_muon_lrg
[18:17] <lordievader> That looks quite slick, actually :)
[18:50] <Lumby_> Is it normal for kscreen to not be included in kde-plasma-desktop?
[19:20] <mhall119> ahoneybun: the Ubuntu phone Telegram client uses libqtelegram (https://launchpad.net/libqtelegram) which as far as I know isn't a Telepathy plugin
[19:20] <ahoneybun> there was/is work from a GSOC
[19:20] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ^
[19:21] <ahoneybun> https://akulichalexandr.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/telegram-connection-manager-gsoc-2014-task-overview/
[19:22] <ahoneybun> https://akulichalexandr.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/telegram-connection-manager-the-first-release-is-going-on/
[19:22] <mhall119> thanks ahoneybun, I'll pass that on to the ubuntu client devs, I think they wanted to make it use Telepathy eventually
[19:23] <ahoneybun> cool
[19:29] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you can join #ubuntu-telegram too if you're interested in that client
[19:32] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I've been using Cutegram as it is Qt based and nice
[19:48] <clivejo> does anyone know where the file liblibglobal.so.14 shoud go in calligra?
[19:49] <clivejo> I cant get past this error - dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library liblibglobal.so.14 needed by debian/krita/usr/lib/kde4/kritatooltransform.so (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[19:50] <clivejo> Ive tried putting it in krita and calligra-libs
[19:51] <Mamarok> clivejo: at some point, they used to have good build isntructions in the wiki, did you check there?
[19:55] <Mamarok> but such a library should be in /usr/lib/, noramlly, since it is a global one
[19:55] <Mamarok> normally*
[19:56] <clivejo> there are 3 with simular names tmp/usr/lib/liblibglobal.so.14.0.0, liblibglobal.so, liblibglobal.so.14
[19:57] <Mamarok> why tmp/usr/lib/?
[19:57] <clivejo> but the error message seems to suggesst it needs the liblibglobal.so.14 file, so I added it to the krita.install
[19:58] <clivejo> thats where the build puts them?
[19:58] <clivejo> debian/tmp?
[19:58] <Mamarok> I would assume those all belong to /usr/lib/, and isn't that all the same file?
[19:58] <clivejo> no, there are 3 separate files
[19:58] <Mamarok> weird
[19:59] <Mamarok> how about asking in #calligra?
[19:59] <clivejo> I have just done that
[20:00] <clivejo> how do I verify that the file is actually being installed into krita.deb?
[20:00] <clivejo> is adding it to krita.install enough, or is there somewhere else?
[20:02] <clivejo> in rpm pacakges it seems to be installed into calligra-krita-libs-2.9.5-1.fc23
[20:02] <clivejo> but debian dont seem to have that package
[20:04] <clivejo> also that file doesnt seem to be mentioned in the README.PACKAGER file either :/
[20:30] <clivejo> Mamarok: if I change a *.install file to include a new file in the package, do I have to do a clean debuild?
[20:31] <Riddell> clivejo: no run Dh_install
[20:31] <clivejo> does debuild -nc not do that?
[20:34] <ahoneybun> damn ovidiu-florin
[20:35] <clivejo> regarding the User map, could I suggest you use OSM?
[20:37] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: if someone will do it, they are free to do so
[20:37] <ovidiu-florin> currently it's abandoned
[20:40] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: seems we can edit files on github
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: yes we can
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> but please don't
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> let's just edit on the test site
[20:40] <ovidiu-florin> so we can confirm our edits
[20:41] <ahoneybun> d.k.org?
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> what?
[20:41] <ahoneybun> docs.kubuntu.org
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> I wasn't talking about that
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> so, here it goes:
[20:41] <ahoneybun> k
[20:42] <ovidiu-florin> Current site: http://www.kubuntu.org/ Test site  (only for development of the site): http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/ New site (ready to go in production?):  https://www-new.kubuntu.org/
[20:45] <ahoneybun> once we/you get a theme up for the d.k.org domain, I'll move over everything there
[20:46] <ovidiu-florin> let's launch the site first, and then work on that. ahoneybun do you agree?
[20:46] <ahoneybun> of course
[20:46] <ahoneybun> let's get your baby out the door first
[20:50] <clivejo> ok liblibglobal.so.14 is a sym link to liblibglobal.so.14.0.0
[20:50] <clivejo> what on earth is that in aid of?
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> good night
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> I would very much like to be part of the Team, if that would be possible
[20:57] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: nite nite see you tomorrow
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: the website team?
[20:59] <sick_rimmit> No, sorry I saw your emails on that, thank you
[20:59] <sick_rimmit> No I meant on the Kubuntu Team page
[20:59] <ovidiu-florin> aaaa, I have nothing against it
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> HUMANS: you on board with this ^
[21:00]  * ovidiu-florin ZZZZZzzzz.....
[21:01]  * clivejo nods
[21:03]  * clivejo needs a cold shower
[21:54] <valorie> everybody who helps out here should be on the team page
[23:16] <clivejo> has Nxt Stage 2 been disabled?
[23:18] <clivejo> humm seems so
[23:30] <sgclark> valorie: It is not suppose to be this HOT up here!!!
[23:30] <valorie> indeed
[23:30] <valorie> although I was able to work outside for 15-20 mins
[23:30] <valorie> but sheesh
[23:31] <valorie> and it is predicted to go on......
[23:31] <sgclark> yeah been out in it, yucky :(
[23:31] <valorie> poor people, poor plants, poor forests!
[23:31] <sgclark> yeah, no relief in sight is the weather report, ugh
[23:31] <sgclark> I know, my poor flowers are crying
[23:31] <valorie> I get to go up to the cabin this weekend where it's nice and cool
[23:31] <valorie> at least in the cabin
[23:32] <sgclark> oh nice!
[23:32] <clivejo> how do I make a comment on Trello?
[23:32] <valorie> yes, watering the flowers and other plants that need it take like an hour
[23:32] <valorie> clivejo: do you have an account?
[23:32] <clivejo> just signed up
[23:32] <valorie> ok
[23:33] <sgclark> clivejo: Riddell will have to invite you to board
[23:33] <clivejo> Im interested in this card - https://trello.com/c/1KfVhhjf/2-kubuntu-users-map
[23:33] <kubotu> [Kubuntu Promotion :: Ideas :: Kubuntu Users Map ++ SI]
[23:33] <valorie> I might have admin powerz, checking
[23:33] <clivejo> and to use OpenStreetMap instead of GoogleMaps
[23:34] <valorie> clivejo: did you join the kubuntu group?
[23:34] <valorie> I don't see you on the list of members
[23:35] <valorie> sgclark: do you have good a/c in your place?
[23:35] <valorie> mine is a life-saver
[23:35] <valorie> my next-door neighbor opted not to get a heat pump, and they are so regretting it this summer
[23:36] <clivejo> silly question, but how do a join a board!?!
[23:36] <valorie> oh, it's called subscribe
[23:36] <valorie> there is a menu button up on the right top
[23:38] <clivejo> I must be blind
[23:38] <clivejo> cant see subscribe or join board anywhere
[23:38] <clivejo> Ive starred the board
[23:39] <valorie> can you give me a screenie of what you are seeing?
[23:40] <sgclark> valorie: yes, funny enough we decided to get a full A/C unit this year, best decision we ever made lol
[23:41] <valorie> sure, but that just puts it in your most view stuff, clivejo
[23:41] <valorie> sgclark: oh, good
[23:41] <clivejo> http://s8.postimg.org/91bmj0qph/trello.jpg
[23:41] <valorie> not as good as cooler weather, but at least you live though a heat wave
[23:42] <valorie> clivejo: see the menu button on the top-right?
[23:42] <valorie> click that and a menu will come down
[23:42] <clivejo> yup
[23:42] <clivejo> but no subscribe in there
[23:42] <valorie> :(
[23:42] <valorie> no join or ?
[23:44] <clivejo> Profile, Cards, Settings, Help, Apps, Shortcuts, Share Trello, Getting started guide,trello blog, change language, log out
[23:44] <valorie> pfff
[23:44] <valorie> well, perhaps Riddell has to invite you
[23:44] <valorie> I don't see a way to do that
[23:44] <valorie> as sgclark says
[23:46] <clivejo> must have to be added
[23:48] <valorie> oh gosh, already time to make dinner
[23:48] <clivejo> valorie: are you on wily?
[23:48] <valorie> not yet
[23:49] <valorie> I'm thinking about trying to upgrade the other laptop, but since networking is dead on it, sort of hard to do that
[23:49] <valorie> for now I'm stuck on this old slow one
[23:49] <clivejo> how did it die?
[23:50] <valorie> seems like the card itself flickered for awhile like a guttering candle
[23:50] <valorie> then died altogether
[23:50] <valorie> I tried a USB wireless thing but nothing
[23:50] <clivejo> is the card being recognised?
[23:54] <clivejo> BluesKaj: will you be around in a free hours?
[23:54] <clivejo> few
[23:57] <ahoneybun> clivejo: do you have a trello account?
[23:58] <clivejo> ahoneybun: yes, just created one