[04:13] <roasted_> Hey fellas. Is there a way to customize the login screen of Edubuntu clients?
[04:13] <roasted_> on LTSP
[05:21] <doctormo> roasted_: Sure, what would you like to do?
[12:37] <highvoltage> good morning
[12:42] <mhall119> good morning
[13:46] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[15:30] <Ahmuck-Sr> doctormo: wouldn't roasted just be able to subnet the dhcp3 server on the ltsp box and be golden?
[15:37] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://www.opennms.org/ - i'm curious, could this be used for thin/fat client monitoring?
[16:02] <doctormo> Ahmuck-Sr: Yes, but dhcp is a funny old thing.
[16:04]  * Ahmuck-Sr really should get his CIS degree
[17:09] <Roasted> whats up fellas
[17:40] <Ahmuck-Sr> hi roasted
[17:40] <mgariepy> Hello Roasted
[18:01] <Roasted> hey guys
[18:01] <Roasted> trying to do that dhcp swap now
[18:01] <highvoltage> so is anyone feeling like fixing some edubuntu bugs today?
[18:01]  * highvoltage got one patch for nanny so far at least
[18:02] <Roasted> so... little lost here.
[18:02] <Roasted> if I'm adding LTSP and using a Windows DHCP environment, do I need the MAC of EACH machine that will be using LTSP, or just the MAC of the LTSP server?
[18:03] <alkisg> Ah today is the bug day?
[18:03] <alkisg> highvoltage: any specific requests?
[18:03] <alkisg> Or we can just pick one we prefer?
[18:03] <alkisg> Roasted: do you mind if you send the boot filename to all of your clients, ltsp or not?
[18:03] <alkisg> If not, then you don't need any mac
[18:04] <Roasted> is this just to limit which systems can pxe boot to LTSP?
[18:04] <alkisg> Yup
[18:04] <Roasted> like if I DONT do this, and I PXE boot all 500 systems in the building then they'll all probe the LTSP box?
[18:04] <alkisg> So if you don't have a specific reason to limit them, just leave it for everyone
[18:04] <alkisg> Yup
[18:04] <Roasted> well, I don't want to limit it now, because if we set it up it may be nice to walk into any lab and fire one up for demonstration purposes to my boss.
[18:05] <highvoltage> alkisg: good question
[18:05] <alkisg> Right, so don't specify any macs now
[18:05] <Roasted> I was surprised. In my bench test yesterday I ran 10 systems off of my laptop.
[18:05] <Roasted> core 2 duo, 4gb ram
[18:05] <highvoltage> alkisg: best would be if you could scratch your own itches
[18:05] <Roasted> granted I maxed out my ram at nearly 3.8gb, but each system had gimp, open office, and firefox running with web browsing.
[18:05] <Roasted> the proc was relatively calm too, with only occasional spikes.
[18:05] <highvoltage> alkisg: otherwise you could browse our buglist and find something that looks interesting...
[18:06] <highvoltage> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[18:06] <alkisg> Ty, I'll have a look
[18:06] <Roasted> If I do this with the LTSP Box on the main network, we'll be on a 10.52 IP scheme instead of 192.168. As a result, I would need to change my static IP of the LTSP box. No problem, I can do that. My concern is I tried this yesterday and I wasn't able to PXE boot when I changed my static IP. Do I have to change a PXE entry anywhere to correspond with my new static IP?
[18:06] <highvoltage> cool :)
[18:07] <highvoltage> Roasted: you'll have to edit dhcpd.conf in /etc/ltsp (if you installed ltsp-server-standalone) or /etc/dhcp (if you didn't)
[18:07] <alkisg> Roasted: your dhcp configuration in your windows server
[18:08] <Roasted> highvoltage, I won't be runnign DHCP on the LTSP box, I'll be removing it here shortly. As a result, I would be editing /etc/dhcp, right?
[18:08] <alkisg> And probably restart the windows dhcp service
[18:08] <highvoltage> you might also have to edit a few other files based on your configuration (wherever you had IPs listed) and at least /etc/hosts
[18:08] <Roasted> highvoltage, what would I need to edit in hosts? just the IP?
[18:08] <highvoltage> Roasted: ah, then you don't need to be editing the dhcp file on the server
[18:08] <Roasted> what
[18:08] <Roasted> really
[18:08] <Roasted> this ubuntu doc says I need to
[18:08] <Roasted> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
[18:08] <Roasted> by adding those 3 entries to the DHCP service
[18:09] <highvoltage> that doc says to remove the dhcp server
[18:09] <Roasted> on LTSP
[18:09] <Roasted> then a few lines lower it says login to your windows server and load the DHCP config screen
[18:10] <Roasted> then add those 3 entries
[18:10] <highvoltage> yes, that's on the windows dhcp server
[18:10] <Roasted> right
[18:10] <Roasted> oh wait
[18:10] <Roasted> wait
[18:10] <Roasted> wait
 Roasted: ah, then you don't need to be editing the dhcp file on the server - you menat the LTSP server....
[18:10] <highvoltage> if you use a windows dhcp server then you don't have to configure the dhcp server on your ubuntu machine
[18:10] <Roasted> I thought you meant the windows server...
[18:10] <Roasted> my apologies
[18:10] <alkisg> Hmm that page isn't very good. Uninstalling dhcp3-server will make ltsp-server get uninstalled when apt-get --auto-remove is next used.
[18:11] <Roasted> someone here linked me to it yesterday
[18:11] <Roasted> *shrug*
[18:11] <alkisg> That was me
[18:11] <Roasted> :P
[18:11] <Roasted> I thought so
[18:11] <alkisg> But the page still isn't good :)
[18:11] <Roasted> lol
[18:11] <Roasted> that's reassuring
[18:11] <Roasted> shall I follow thorugh with it?
[18:11] <alkisg> See the other page I linked you to, with the proxy dhcp, and *only* follow the steps to uninstall dhcp from there
[18:12] <Roasted> that one looks like its more of a headache
[18:12] <alkisg> See the *only* part above
[18:12] <alkisg> It's just 3 lines
[18:12] <Roasted> the "only" part?
[18:13] <Roasted> install dnsmasq, config dnsmasq, create a dnsmasq config file, adjust pxelinux.cfg/default....
[18:13] <alkisg> *only* follow the steps to uninstall dhcp from there
[18:13] <Roasted> I think I like the other link more :P
[18:13] <Roasted> oh
[18:13] <alkisg> Not the dnsmasq, not pxelinux, not not not
[18:13] <Roasted> so I use both guides?
[18:13] <Roasted> just different parts of eahc?
[18:13] <alkisg> Erm ok
[18:13] <alkisg> I thought I'd save me some time
[18:13] <alkisg> This takes longer
[18:13] <alkisg> Here let me get you the 3 lines
[18:14] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install ltsp-server  # This may update ltsp-server instead
[18:14] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install ltsp-server  # So do it twice to be certain
[18:14] <alkisg> sudo apt-get --yes --auto-remove purge ltsp-server-standalone
[18:14] <alkisg> Those 3 lines remove the dhcp3-server part of the ltsp installation
[18:14] <Roasted> okay
[18:15] <Roasted> but I'd still be adding those 3 entries to the windows DHCP server, right
[18:15] <alkisg> Right
[18:15] <Roasted> gotcha
[18:16] <Roasted> so these 3 lines, the 3 entries to windows dhcp, and aside from changing my LTSP server IP to something within the proper scope, we're done then
[18:16] <alkisg> When you change your IP you also need to change your /etc/hosts, unless you change it from network manager
[18:16] <Roasted> naw I'm using interface file
[18:16] <Roasted> I didnt change it in /etc/hosts yesterday. I wonder if thats why I wasnt able to PXE boot.
[18:17] <alkisg> Hmm no scratch that
[18:17] <alkisg> The default installation doesn't contain the server IP in /etc/hosts
[18:17] <Roasted> yeah I just did nano on it and didnt see...
[18:17] <Roasted> wonder why I was failing to pxe boot then
[18:17] <alkisg> With which dhcp serveR?
[18:17] <alkisg> The ubuntu one?
[18:17] <Roasted> yes
[18:17] <Roasted> I changed my IP on it
[18:17] <Roasted> and I wasnt able to PXE boot from there
[18:17] <alkisg> You needed to change /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf then
[18:17] <Roasted> oh
[18:17] <alkisg> And restart dhcp
[18:18] <Roasted> what am I changing, just the subnet range?
[18:18] <Roasted> subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> {
[18:18] <Roasted>     range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>;
[18:19] <Roasted> I'd just change the range to <IP_ADDRESS> (start of windows dhcp scope) to <IP_ADDRESS> (end of windows dhcp scope) right?
[18:20] <alkisg> You won't be needing this, you'll be using the windows server
[18:20] <Roasted> I understand. I'm just trying to understand what I did wrong yesterday.
[18:20] <alkisg> Then yes, you would just change the subnet
[18:20] <Roasted> good deal
[18:21] <Roasted> I'm going to test it now :P
[18:21] <Roasted> just for sake of learning
[18:21] <alkisg> But, beware, your windows clients will get an IP from that
[18:21] <alkisg> So they won't have internet access etc etc
[18:21] <Roasted> oh no, I'm on a secluded LAN with this setup
[18:21] <alkisg> OK
[18:22] <Roasted> here we go...
[18:22] <Roasted> hahaha. bingo.
[18:22] <Roasted> you're the man alkisg
[18:22] <Roasted> if you ever come to PA, drinks are on me
[18:23] <Roasted> alright, time to get this windows thing rolling and see how we do
[18:24] <alkisg> Good luck :)
[18:24] <Roasted> dumb question tho. even if I have 64 bit edubuntu installed, Im booting 32b images right
[18:25] <alkisg> It depends on if you put `--arch i386` as a parameter to ltsp-build-client
[18:25] <Roasted> what's LTSP's default behavior?
[18:26] <alkisg> ls -l /opt/ltsp/images
[18:26] <alkisg> If you see i386, you got i386
[18:26] <alkisg> If you see amd64... you know
[18:26] <Roasted> gotcha. we're on 386. good deal.
[18:26] <alkisg> The default behavior is chroot arch == server arch
[18:26] <Roasted> hows that make sense...
[18:26] <Roasted> Im on 64 bit...
[18:26] <Roasted> on the server
[18:27] <alkisg> Are you sure?
[18:27] <Roasted> x86_64 is listed under uname -a
[18:27] <Roasted> is that 64?
[18:27] <alkisg> Yes
[18:27] <Roasted> I mean it addresses 3.9gb of ram
[18:27] <Roasted> so
[18:28] <Roasted> I wonder how I got 386 for the clients yet 64 on the server
[18:28] <alkisg> 32bit also addresses 4gb ram
[18:28] <alkisg> With -pae extensions, on by default
[18:28] <Roasted> oh
[18:28] <Roasted> but if uname -a says Im on 64 bit...
[18:28] <alkisg> So maybe you did put --arch i386 in your ltsp-build-client after all
[18:29] <Roasted> I didn't even know that existed until you told me just now.
[18:29] <Roasted> So I'm doubtful that I did.
[18:29] <alkisg> How did you install LTSP?
[18:29] <Roasted> I just wanted to make sure we were using 32b images since our hardware is older hardware.
[18:29] <Roasted> Edubuntu 10.10 64 bit DVD
[18:29] <Roasted> hit the checkbox for LTSP
[18:29] <Roasted> ran through the installer
[18:29] <Roasted> I have a 2nd box here with Edubuntu that I installed from the same DVD. I wonder what that says
[18:29] <alkisg> Hmm maybe it has a 32bit chroot, I haven't done that as we're using localized chroots here
[18:30] <alkisg> highvoltage would know :)
[18:30] <Roasted> to be honest it makes sense to me to use 64b server, 32b clients
[18:30] <Roasted> since people would be utilizing older hardware for thin clients in some cases
[18:30]  * highvoltage emerges
[18:31] <Roasted> he awakens!
[18:31] <alkisg> highvoltage: on edubuntu 64 bit, the chroot installed is 32 bit?
[18:32] <highvoltage> ah, yes. on edubuntu we always do 32bit ltsp chroots from the installer (64bit won't work on many thin clients, such as anything Atom based, and there's very rarely benefit with 64bit on clients)
[18:32] <highvoltage> Roasted: ^^^
[18:32] <Roasted> nice
[18:32] <Roasted> thanks :)
[18:33] <highvoltage> if you use ltsp-build-client after installation, then it will use your current architecture as default, but for the edubuntu installer it made sense to always go for 32bit
[18:33] <Roasted> off topic question
[18:33] <Roasted> is there a way to edit the login screen
[18:33] <highvoltage> yes
[18:33] <highvoltage> the LDM themes are in /usr/share/ldm/themes in the thin client chroot
[18:34] <highvoltage> you can add a new one there and specify it in lts.conf
[18:34] <Roasted> okay. I thought so. I replaced bg.png and put in a different image, also named bg.png, but it didnt take, so it confused me a little bit
[18:35] <alkisg> Did you run ltsp-update-image?
[18:35] <Roasted> probably not
[18:35] <Roasted> as root?
[18:36] <alkisg> With sudo, yes
[18:36] <Roasted> Error: chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 doesn't exist.
[18:36] <Roasted> hmm
[18:37] <highvoltage> Roasted: yeah, the way you did it will be a bit risky because your changes will be over-written again if you install updates
[18:37] <Roasted> well, I did it on my laptop, which is just a test-drive machine
[18:37] <Roasted> I got my other box fired up here for real testing
[18:37] <highvoltage> Roasted: you might want to add a "-a i386" to let it know that it should update the i386 chroto and not a 64bit one
[18:38] <alkisg> Roasted: since you have a different chroot arch than the server arch, you always need to add --arch i386
[18:38] <Roasted> I see
[18:38] <Roasted> looks like its owrking
[18:38] <Roasted> creating 4.0 file system
[18:41] <Roasted> highvoltage, is there an official guide somewhere to changing the theme properly?
[18:41] <highvoltage> Roasted: nope
[18:41] <highvoltage> Roasted: but I'll answer any questions about it if you write us one :)
[18:42] <Roasted> well if you tell me how to do it, I'll make a guide for it. :P
[18:43] <alkisg> Don't forget to put your findings to the windows dhcp page as well :P :D
[18:43] <highvoltage> Roasted: I just have to look into a few other things too now but we can go through it a bit later
[18:43] <Roasted> sounds good
[18:50] <Roasted> seems as if I have tanked something badly
[18:50] <Roasted> my login screen is all gray, no images whatsoever, and wont log any users in
[18:51] <Roasted> thankfully its my laptop install which... doenst matter
[18:51] <Roasted> still curious on what happened tho. it worked until I ran that command. lol...
[18:51] <highvoltage> that command builds the new squashfs image based on the changes you have made
[18:52] <Roasted> the only change I made was the background image
[18:52] <Roasted> maybe it doesnt like it
[18:52] <Roasted> but theres also a button here, all white with a red X in the center, as if that didnt fly either
[18:52] <Roasted> ah well, I wont be bothered by that for now.
[18:56] <Roasted> is there by chance a way to revert it back to normal without reinstalling edubuntu?
[18:57] <alkisg> Put the old background image?
[18:57] <alkisg> And re-run ltsp-update-image/
[19:04] <Roasted> didnt work
[19:05] <alkisg> Then you must have changed something else too
[19:05] <alkisg> If you don't remember what, you can rebuild the chroot
[19:05] <alkisg> I.e. sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp && sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
[19:05] <alkisg> (will take some time)
[19:12] <Roasted> is there a forum for LTSP so I can ask questions there instead of bugging you guys?
[19:13] <mgariepy> #ltsp
[19:13] <mgariepy> but most ppl here are in there too :)
[19:14] <Roasted> thanks :)
[20:01] <highvoltage> well, what would be faster is:
[20:01] <highvoltage> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get --reinstall install ldm-themes
[20:01] <highvoltage> and then ltsp-update-image
[20:02] <Roasted> already done :P
[20:02] <Roasted> Im working on another issue at the moment
[20:02] <Roasted> I just asked it in LTSP if you're curious at taking a gander. it has me stumped.
[20:04] <doctormo> highvoltage: Have you had any thoughts about draft4? If you have no more concerns, then we can announce and release?
[20:09] <highvoltage> doctormo: nothing that jumps out at me yet, it's already in today's daily build :)
[20:09] <doctormo> Fantastic, although I haven't produced all the sizes and aspects that might be required.
[20:39] <doctormo> highvoltage: I had to do some editing to get it to fit widescreen, please review
[20:42] <highvoltage> doctormo: except for some changes in the hills I couldn't see any other changes, but it looks good
[20:43] <doctormo> highvoltage: It's 1MB, just so a quick refresh
[20:43] <doctormo> You should see the version with the pink guides
[20:43] <doctormo> That show what each screen resolution would see
[20:43] <highvoltage> ok, I see the pink lines
[20:44] <highvoltage> I think it looks good
[20:46] <doctormo> highvoltage: How do you ship it? just ship the widescreen version and set it to crop?
[20:47] <Roasted> why would my users time out when trying to log in? all I did was add windows dhcp to the mix.
[20:48] <doctormo> Roasted: If the windows dhcp isn't giving correct info and the machines are not online... that would be an issue.
[20:48] <doctormo> I forget if ltsp does seconard network connections
[20:48] <Roasted> doctormo, I would *assume* that by them coming to the login screen that it would have the proper info.
[20:48] <Roasted> let me do a direct cat5 line from my server to a laptop and see if it does the same thing
[20:48] <Roasted> one second
[20:49] <Roasted> crap. I cant. I dont have dhcp on it.
[21:22] <highvoltage> doctormo: currently, it's just stretched over whatever screen you have
[21:22] <highvoltage> Roasted: heh, if you took a second to think about that you'd realise that before plugging it in. take it easy :)
[21:24] <highvoltage> Roasted: I haven't configured a windows DHCP server yet, but what is the information you put in there? (I thought it was in scrollback but I couldn't find it)
[21:29] <Roasted> highvoltage, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
[21:30] <Roasted> theres 3 lines of info that was put in
[21:30] <Roasted> I did not put it in, the network admin here did. He showed me how it works though, as we already have several other "rules" in place since we have VOIP here, and our VOIP phones require similar entries to be made.
[21:30] <Roasted> highvoltage, it took him a matter of 20 seconds to do it.
[21:38] <highvoltage> Roasted: what did he use for the IP address?
[21:38] <Roasted> of the LTSP box?
[21:38] <Roasted> highvoltage, ^
[21:39] <Roasted> highvoltage, I'm still doing small scale testing. I just grabbed a DHCP IP and had him use that for the entry.
[21:39] <highvoltage> Roasted: no, on the Windows DHCP server
[21:39] <Roasted> we're working now
[21:39] <highvoltage> ok
[21:39] <Roasted> so technically my LTSP box is on DHCP.
[21:40] <Roasted> but the box Im running it on isnt one Ill actually use in the classrooms.
[21:40] <Roasted> when I do Ill certainly static it
[21:40] <Roasted> highvoltage, my problem was when I changed the IP I had no idea I had to run the sshkeys command to update them or whatever.
[21:40] <Roasted> that fixed my login hanging problem though.
[21:40] <Roasted> highvoltage, aside from changing the IP and needing to run that command, is there any other instances where running the sshkeys command and image update command would be useful?
[22:38] <doctormo> highvoltage: How much space do you have for the desktop wallpaper and is it packaged?
[22:39] <stgraber> doctormo: 1.8GB give or take
[22:40] <stgraber> that's how much we have left on the dvd
[22:40] <doctormo> I could make an entire gallery of moving desktop backgrounds with that ;-)
[22:42] <highvoltage> doctormo: I thought that your moving backgrounds are svg and take up very little space :)
[22:42] <highvoltage> doctormo: it's in the edubuntu-artwork package
[22:42] <doctormo> highvoltage: Ah those aren't moving, they're just evolving.
[22:43] <doctormo> So the image @ 2560x1600 is ~1MB, that takes care of the biggest resolutions.
[22:43] <doctormo> And it's at widescreen and I've checked that full screen should take.
[22:43] <doctormo> We'll need to set it to not stretch
[22:46] <doctormo> highvoltage: Testing says it should be set to "Zoom" in the xml configuration.
[23:25] <highvoltage> doctormo: ok, I'll update it


[19:02] <mxlal> hi all! i was wondering if someone could help me with an issue i'm having with snapd. i'm using a fresh install of ubuntu 21.04, and i've updated all apt and snap packages to their latest versions. i've also installed a couple extra packages: `rubymine` and `slack`. however now when i try to run `snap install` or `snap refresh`, i get the error
[19:02] <mxlal> message `error: unable to contact snap store`. does anyone know how to diagnose this?
[19:06] <mxlal> and `snap debug connectivity` shows `PASS`


[00:38] <robertparkerx> is 'ssh -p 8022 ip' correct ?
[00:38] <robertparkerx> for some reason it's not working in my case but just wonder
[00:39] <sarnold> what does "not working" mean?
[00:39] <robertparkerx> it's not connecting from my server manager server to another server like I thought it would normally
[00:40] <robertparkerx> I thought maybe it is because I had to use parathesis or something else
[00:40] <sarnold> what's a server manager server? what error message are you getting? are you sure the sshd on the remote server is listening on that port?
[00:40] <robertparkerx> no error it jjust sits
[00:41] <robertparkerx> yes I'm sure it is that port
[00:41] <robertparkerx> Well the server manager server is just a name for the server that allow access and manage all servers
[00:41] <sarnold> okay, that sounds a little bit like you've got a firewall that drops packets, rather than rejects packets
[00:42] <robertparkerx> Okay so it isn't my syntax or anytng like that
[00:42] <robertparkerx> anything*
[00:43] <sarnold> yeah, that should be fine
[00:43] <robertparkerx> Okay
[00:43] <robertparkerx> ty
[02:13] <ky> rporting intrusion and violation of interenet rights  EMERG*** LANCASTER CA USA LOC MESSAG SENT
[02:28] <yangnom> Hello, I just installed ubuntu on an old mac mini server with two hard drives.  Right now when the mini is booted, it goes to ubuntu first (which is great), but is there anyway to reboot from the ubuntu hard drive into the mac drive?
[03:28] <Elodin> Hi, i have an sshd service configured with pubkey authentication and pubkey is in home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys however when trying to ssh to it: Permission denied(pubkey)
[03:28] <Elodin> what am i missing?
[03:33] <shadow255> Elodin: you might try ssh -v on the remote computer to get more info about the connection negotiation
[03:54] <Elodin> shadow255: okay, should i paste its content here cuz i can't understand the error?
[03:57] <Bashing-om> !paste | Elodin
[05:42] <CarlFK1> <yangnom "Hello, I just installed ubuntu o"> maybe.  you can't really boot "from ubuntu" you have to reboot, and then hope the boot loader gives you choices.  which it sounds like it doesn't, but that can be fixed.
[07:09] <eoli3n_> Hi i followed nvidia procedure to add repo and install cuda, but i have a dependency problem
[07:10] <eoli3n_> https://x0.at/pyO.txt
[07:10] <eoli3n_> any idea ?
[07:14] <TheBigK> eoli3n_: which distro ur using?
[07:14] <eoli3n_> 20.04
[07:14] <eoli3n_> i followed this : https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads?target_os=Linux&target_arch=x86_64&=Ubuntu&target_version=20.04&target_type=deb_network
[07:15] <TheBigK> any cuda related stuff already on ur system?
[07:16] <TheBigK> eoli3n_: do u need the 11.3? or why ur not using the version that comes with ur distro?
[07:19] <eoli3n_> i do not know, i'm not the user, i'm the sysadmin. We bought some computer with RTX, i'm searching for the version
[07:19] <TheBigK> then u may wanna ask. but some package conflicts the install which is already installed. dpkg -l | grep cuda might help?
[07:20] <eoli3n_> nothing
[07:20] <eoli3n_> i mean no cuda already installed
[07:20] <TheBigK> aptitude install might help
[07:20] <TheBigK> if u wanna install aptitude
[07:21] <eoli3n_> why aptitude could help ?
[07:21] <TheBigK> that usually suggests solutions for ur conflict
[07:21] <eoli3n_> ah, didn't know
[07:21] <TheBigK> but be careful. dont accept everything it suggests ;D
[07:22] <TheBigK> eoli3n_: in my experience with cuda things... u dont want to run it in the ubuntu itself
[07:22] <eoli3n_> it conflicts nvidia official packages
[07:22] <TheBigK> the devs have usually weird dependencies related to that
[07:22] <eoli3n_> drivers one
[07:22] <TheBigK> we use the nvidia-docker for that matter
[07:22] <TheBigK> since then no issues anymore
[07:23] <TheBigK> the cuda docker images are shitty and huge... but its better than having to deal with different cuda versions needed
[07:23] <eoli3n_> i will suggest the package nvidia-cuda-toolkit to the user
[07:23] <eoli3n_> i can't install docker on those nodes
[07:23] <TheBigK> eoli3n_: why not?
[07:23] <eoli3n_> security issues
[07:24] <eoli3n_> pedagogic hosts
[07:24] <eoli3n_> users are not root
[07:25] <TheBigK> i understand... okay... good luck then... my hair is still gray with that cuda bullshit :D
[07:25] <TheBigK> how did Linus put it? F U nvidia :D
[07:26] <eoli3n_> yep
[07:26] <eoli3n_> thanks for motivation ahah
[07:37] <lnielsen> Hi all. Having some problems with my desktop and nvidia driver. Need to reinstall the latest driver, but browser isn't really available for obvious reasons. What was the procedure again? I download a shell script and run it?
[07:39] <furycd001> Could go to Setting >> Additional Drivers & then select nvidia driver from there :?
[07:39] <furycd001> I'm on xubuntu so not sure if it's different from ubuntu....
[07:44] <ducasse> morning folks
[08:01] <blackbird_0> Hi, I get this error when try to open phpmyadmin on browser: "The mysqli extension is missing. Please check your PHP configuration."
[08:02] <blackbird_0> php7.4-mysql is already the newest version (7.4.3-4ubuntu2.4).
[08:13] <polve> Hi. Could it be that this affects me 6 years after firt report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1521173
[08:14] <polve> I have a whole lot of these errors and then the computer freezes (I am unable to get a tty working as well): http://ix.io/3myF
[08:16] <DrManhattan> polve, did you try the solution in your own link?
[08:16] <polve> not yet, I am trying to dig a little bit more
[08:19] <DrManhattan> polve, do yourself a favor, try the fix and see if it works
[08:46] <Deknos> does anyone have an example how to get a certificate with sscep/certmonger-scep-submit/sthelse from an ADCS? from the commandline, at best automatable?
[09:30] <euler2718> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 20.04 with Gnome 3.36.8. Is there any way to add Gnote app to top bar?
[10:29] <metbsd> fcitx5 lacks fcitx5-configtool. ibus doesn't work in telegram-desktop
[10:29] <metbsd> there's no usable input method
[10:34] <metbsd> someone put fcitx5-config into 20.04 repository
[11:36] <swensson> What software can I use to create a Windows bootable usb from ubuntu?
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> swensson: winusb or woeusb
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:43] <oehman> Can someone help me with the submeny text? I'm usung mist theme and on 20.04 it's greyed out. On 21.04 it works perfectly
[12:53] <lnielsen> How to view a list of remote smb shares?
[13:01] <zamba> how much cpu should an sftp instance actually consume?
[13:02] <zamba> we're running an ubuntu instance in openstack cloud.. it has 32 vCPUs @ 2.4.. 115 GB RAM.. and when we have 6 concurrent uploads running, then we're seeing a load at 6-7.. and something happens with the overall throughput
[13:48] <metbsd> if i change release update file to normal, it will always get to latest?
[15:08] <thiras> hello. i have a weird problem with the sound. it started to mix input with output channel out of blue
[15:09] <thiras> so even when in the headset, if i play music music piped to input too
[15:09] <thiras> technically all pc sounds are sending as mic sound
[15:10] <thiras> any idea about the problem?
[15:25] <metbsd> what was the package name for latest kernel?
[15:25] <metbsd> linux-lts?
[15:30] <ogra> metbsd, linux-hwe
[15:30] <metbsd> what does hwe mean
[15:39] <Maik> metbsd: Hardware Enablement. Next time google it first?
[15:39] <metbsd> ok
[15:39] <Maik> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[15:39] <metbsd> sorry
[15:40] <Maik> np :)
[16:26] <Intelo>  I got port scan and ssh attach report from aws. I think my ec2 is compromized. What can I do to confirm?
[16:33] <leftyfb> Intelo: wipe it and restore from backup
[16:33] <leftyfb> Intelo: forensics should only be done post-mortem
[16:34] <leftyfb> Intelo: and out of band (not running)
[16:48] <pinheadmz> i installed qbitorrent recently and now whenever i get a slack notificaiton and click on it, it switches to bittorrent (instead fo slack)
[16:48] <pinheadmz> how can i edit which applications open deeplinks ? really notifications
[16:48] <pinheadmz> slack sends the notification that i got a message but when i click it "opens" in bittorrent
[16:50] <leftyfb> pinheadmz: sounds like a bug with the 3rd party application you installed (qbitorrent)
[16:52] <pinheadmz> leftyfb: sure but is there no system setting i can change back?
[16:52] <pinheadmz> i know theers GUI settings for default browser and audio player, etc...
[16:53] <leftyfb> pinheadmz: I don't think this is a mimetype issue. I think it's a bug with the unsupported application
[16:54] <pinheadmz> how would app B affect what happens to notifications from app A ?
[16:54] <pinheadmz> in such a way that a system configuration cant fix ?
[17:21] <pinheadmz> leftyfb: oh hm i wonder if the issue is that slack and qbitorrent are both built with electron!
[17:24] <donofrio> if netstat -plant doesn't show a process id assigned to a port how else can I see what is running on port 25?
[17:24] <leftyfb> donofrio: sudo lsof -i :25
[17:25] <donofrio> nothing returned
[17:25] <leftyfb> donofrio: then nothing is listening on port 25
[17:26] <donofrio> but when I did a netstat -plant | grep LISTEN it shows up?
[17:26] <leftyfb> donofrio: do you have a mail client running trying to send?
[17:26] <leftyfb> donofrio: pastebin the output
[17:27] <donofrio> I can telnet to localhost 25 fwiw
[17:27] <donofrio> and do HELO type of talk
[17:27] <leftyfb> donofrio: that makes no sense. If lsof doesn't show it listening, then nothing is listening
[17:28] <donofrio> I agree hence why I'm asking here ;)
[17:28] <leftyfb> donofrio: sudo netstat -plant | grep LISTEN|grep :25
[17:29] <donofrio> two listed tcp and tcp6
[17:29] <leftyfb> donofrio: pastebin please
[18:38] <choco31415b> Hello. I have a simple question if that's okay. I'm looking for a Ubuntu program that automatically shuts off the computer at a specific time each day, aka a self managed service that doesn't require user input. Is rc.local the right way to go about this?
[18:38] <choco31415b> *Ignore the word program. My bad there.
[18:44] <sarnold> choco31415b: rc.local probably won't help you
[18:44] <rory> look into crontab choco31415b
[18:44] <rory> choco31415b, https://askubuntu.com/questions/567955/automatic-shutdown-at-specified-times
[18:45] <sarnold> choco31415b: you've got two choices (a) adding a cronjob entry to run shutdown (b) writing a systemd timer to start the shutdown
[18:47] <oehman> now my theme works switched from 20.04 whit problems to 21.04 and it works perfectly
[18:50] <Maik> oehman: well... maybe the theme isn't compatible with 20.04
[18:52] <oehman> old should better work whut that one to
[18:53] <oehman> have been incompatible in drop down menyes for ages but now works again :)
[18:56] <Maik> oehman: if it doesn't work on 20.04 it's probably because of an older GTK versioon and thus NOT compatible
[18:56] <choco31415b> I've done a bit of research. It appears crontab is less bloated then systemd. I'll take a look into it. Thank you rory c:
[18:56] <Maik> i though you've been going through this already yesterday
[18:56] <Aaron> Is there a bug report?
[18:56] <Aaron> To check it out?
[18:57] <rory> yes choco31415b, the syntax has a bit of a learning curve, but once you set it up it will just work forever
[18:57] <rory> there are websites that generate the line anyway
[19:08] <shibboleth> https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/commit/025bd93f36c9923127674ce127e22933592cba6c
[19:09] <shibboleth> uhm, cve2020-foo, was this ever patched in ub?
[19:09] <sarnold> shibboleth: not yet, no
[19:10] <shibboleth> have intel published new fw?
[19:10] <sarnold> shibboleth: sorry, I don't know that one
[19:13] <choco31415b> rory Crontab might have become my favorite Linux service x3
[19:13] <choco31415b> *cron
[19:14] <sarnold> haha
[19:15] <leftyfb> choco31415b: you should look into systemd services and timers though. It's sort of the new way of doing things and way more powerful
[19:20] <choco31415b> leftyfb: Might do. Thank you for the pointer c:
[20:53] <AlexPortable> Trying to add windows to grub, `error: can't find command 'ntldr'`. (in my grub file I have the ntldr /bootmgr)
[21:02] <V|A> AlexPortable i found a program GRUB customizer
[21:02] <V|A> that helped me remove some prokenb entries. it offers more options tho
[21:02] <V|A> i did a relocate but not sure if it worked 100% or just created some reference file
[21:04] <TJ-> AlexPortable: V|A: be aware grub-customiser has been well known to make changes that break things and makes it difficult to repair if things go wrong
[21:05] <AlexPortable> this seems a GUI to add entries myself, which is roughly the same as editing the config files
[21:06] <V|A> indeed
[21:06] <V|A> im a noob
[21:07] <V|A> but since it didnt really move the bootloader i dont trust it fully
[21:07] <V|A> i just wanted things fast as im testing hardware and dont have eternity to retun it
[21:35] <linuxxl> I did the thing
[21:41] <sorta_noob> So, I just installed 21.04. Fresh wiped drive. On first boot, upon logging in, it flashes screen a few times then returns to login screen. Confirmed that the account info is correct by changing to second console and logging in there successfully. Anyone have a suggestion for tracking down what's going wrong?
[21:45] <sarnold> sorta_noob: check the ~/.xsession-errors file, if it exists; check the system journal too with journalctl
[21:46] <AlexPortable> sorta_noob: try a different desktop environment (bottom right button)
[21:47] <sorta_noob> ~/xsession-errors does not exist. Trying change DE now.
[21:47] <sarnold> sorta_noob: did you forget the . when looking for the file?
[21:47] <sorta_noob> no, just in irc was it missed
[21:48] <sarnold> okay cool
[21:49] <sorta_noob> There is no bottom-right button on the login screen... Don't see anything else about switching DEs
[21:50] <TJ-> sorta_noob: in a console (e.g. tty2) log-in and then examine the user session logs with "journalctl --user -b" - it sometimes catches interesting clues
[21:50] <sorta_noob> Checking system journal now
[21:52] <MikeRL> Well, I converted my disk setup to RAID0 on my desktop. Too many drives after I added 2 NVMe SSDs. Problem is, the UUID is now incorrect and I get an error dropping me to a shell. I am trying to resolve the issue but the Ubuntu Live CD won't pick up the RAID array.
[21:52] <MikeRL> For some reason changing stuff to RAID0 didn't mess up Win10, but Ubuntu won't boot. I don't recall the exact error but I can check soon.
[21:53] <MikeRL> Said something along the lines of "missing modules cat /proc/modules ls /dev"
[21:54] <TJ-> MikeRL: with what tool did you "convert to RAID0" and what was the config previously?
[21:54] <MikeRL> Well I used the BIOS.
[21:54] <MikeRL> I think the live cd doesn't support raid but the alt cd does.
[21:55] <TJ-> MikeRL: so, Soft/Fake RAID then
[21:55] <sorta_noob> Errors begin with "Failed to start gnome-session" (ignored warnings about things that didn't seem critical). A bunch of errors about radeon (I don't think this laptop has an amd chip, but I may be wrong, think it's just intel graphics) Some Wayland crashes, some failed dbus writes (says connection closed).
[21:55] <MikeRL> I am guessing so yes.
[21:55] <MikeRL> Previously was SATA.
[21:56] <TJ-> MikeRL: in which case, depending on which FakeRAID it is, you may need to add something in the Live Environment to recognise those devices
[21:56] <MikeRL> TJ-, How do I figure out what to add?
[21:56] <TJ-> MikeRL: Are you using the LiveISO 'Try' option right now?
[21:56] <MikeRL> And how do I determine the type of FakeRAID?
[21:56] <MikeRL> Yes the try option right now.
[21:57] <MikeRL> If I gotta leave it I can do IRC on my Android phone.
[21:57] <TJ-> MikeRL: great! Open a terminal and check if "mdadm" runs or reports not found
[21:57] <MikeRL> Not the most efficient byt it works.
[21:57] <MikeRL> I actually installed that from a live session already after googling the error.
[21:57] <sarnold> MikeRL: this guide hasn't been updated in six years, and it even looks like it was probably old even then, but maybe it's helpful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[21:57] <TJ-> MikeRL: you're still in the same sessions?
[21:58] <MikeRL> Same session, yes.
[21:58] <MikeRL> Is there any way I can save my old install in the process of fixing said error?
[21:58] <MikeRL> I hope so as it took ages to setup/
[21:58] <TJ-> MikeRL: great. show us what's there right now so we can see how to proceed: " pastebinit <( lsblk ) "
[21:59] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cQ7bsGwHff/
[21:59] <sorta_noob> OK, I looked up the specs and this laptop does indeed have an AMD Fire Pro chip. I  feel I should to try to blacklist it and see if that helps. Doing my own looking up to remind myself how to blacklist a graphics chip.
[22:00] <MikeRL> I think SDA1 is a standard SSD.
[22:00] <MikeRL> That's what it shows as in gparted.
[22:00] <MikeRL> sdb is the live usb.
[22:03] <MikeRL> The BIOS did complain without RAID enabled. I think because of the third disk.
[22:04] <TJ-> MikeRL: it looks as if the other drives aren't being seen at all
[22:04] <MikeRL> Yeah same conclusion here.
[22:04] <TJ-> MikeRL: we need to look at the kernel log: " pastebinit <( journalctl -k ) "
[22:04] <MikeRL> I think I need the alternative install disk later.
[22:04] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/msCNHmyQF9/
[22:07] <TJ-> MikeRL: hmm, so only ata1 is found (1.8TB) - ata2-ata4 are all showing link down. How many devices are connected and are they on SATA connections?
[22:08] <MikeRL> TJ-, 3 devices internally connected and one is a regular SSD. 2 are NVMe SSDs using RAID0. Reg SSD is using SATA I think.
[22:09] <TJ-> MikeRL: the NVMEs are in the M.2 sockets (looking at the mothernoard manual right now) ?
[22:09] <MikeRL> Yes the M2 sockets.
[22:10] <MikeRL> My theory is it's impossible to fix this from a live usb that's not an alt installer. But there has to be something that can be done to save that data. I made backups.
[22:11] <sorta_noob> I found instructions about blacklisting radeon by creating /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and adding the line "blacklist radeon", however after rebooting and trying to login it still fails the same way. The journal still shows all the radeon errors. I'm guessing that something's wrong with my blacklist?
[22:11] <MikeRL> Does anyone know why the regular Live install won't pick up RAID arrays at all? It seems weird.
[22:12] <TJ-> MikeRL: it's Intel RST. We have a wiki article about it. It's only an overview but gives some context. https://help.ubuntu.com/rst/index.html
[22:12] <TJ-> MikeRL: ANYthing is possible from the Live env
[22:12] <apb1963> TJ-, Peace, freedom & good will towards men? :D
[22:14] <sorta_noob> OK, it just got weirder. I went ahead and tried "startx" from console... and it started... looking at initial setup from first login.  But I can't start an xsession from the login screen....
[22:17] <AlexPortable> how do I expose different ports in audio to be used at the same time by applications? right now i can only select 'built-in analog stereo', but not which port (3.5mm or spdif)
[22:17] <MikeRL> Would just switching back to SATA make any difference? I planned on using the two NVMe SSDs for booting Ubuntu and 10. The other SSD was for media storage.
[22:17] <sarnold> AlexPortable: the pavucontrol application usually makes theses kinds of questions easy
[22:18] <sarnold> MikeRL: probably it'd be way easier, almost no one uses the motherboard-based 'fake raid things
[22:18] <TJ-> MikeRL: AHCI mode would be preferred. It does look like the Intel RST on that mobo isn't exposed to the kernel - I'm still digging though
[22:19] <TJ-> FakeRAID is only useful in dual-boot scenarios to share the storage easily
[22:19] <MikeRL> So not much of use.
[22:19] <MikeRL> Last time I listen to the BIOS warning.
[22:19] <MikeRL> Was about it being slower.
[22:20] <AlexPortable> sarnold: no, it's not being listed there, since it's a sink with multiple ports, and pavu only lists sinks
[22:22] <TJ-> MikeRL: I'm reading a recent arch-linux forum thread with a similar mobo, and the person there found that NVME Intel RST didn't show up to Linux, but via SATA did
[22:22] <MikeRL> TJ-, do you have a link?
[22:23] <sarnold> AlexPortable: ahhhhhhh
[22:23] <TJ-> MikeRL: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=248588
[22:23] <MikeRL> Good news is the backups I made were made before messing with this and made today.
[22:25] <TJ-> MikeRL: I've found alead, lets check some things. " pastebinit <( lsmod | grep rst; modinfo intel-rst ) "
[22:25] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hnTPz26bB2/
[22:26] <TJ-> MikeRL: so it wasn't loaded. Let's do that. "sudo modprobe intel-rst" then show me "pastebinit <( journalctl -k -n 50 ) "
[22:27] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vb93bpxgWG/
[22:28] <sorta_noob> After some research and playing around, here is my current state: Fresh wiped disk, install 21.04 from DVD, install goes fine, after install dvd removed and boots from hdd fine. From login screen, logging in just causes the screen to flash a few times then return to login screen. From console tty2, I can login. Found no .xsession-errors file. Found errors about radeon, weyland, and gnome-session. Tried to blacklist radeon. Didn'
[22:28] <sorta_noob> t help. However, startx from tty2 starts the xsession just fine. Suggestions for how to proceed?
[22:30] <TJ-> MikeRL: does this confirm the module is loaded? "lsmod | grep rst"
[22:30] <TJ-> MikeRL: there was nothing to show it loaded in the kernel log, but some modules are silent
[22:31] <MikeRL> it outputs "intel_rst              16384  0"
[22:31] <haijuno> cool
[22:31] <MikeRL> So it's loaded.
[22:32] <MikeRL> I think.
[22:32] <MikeRL> Unless the 0 means no.
[22:32] <TJ-> MikeRL: good! now lets try to poke around. " pastebinit <( sudo mdadm --detail-platform ) "
[22:33] <TJ-> MikeRL: '0' means zero handles/references taken (each user increments that count. Module can't be unloaded unless that is 0)
[22:34] <MikeRL> So then it's still not loaded.
[22:34] <MikeRL> Why?
[22:34] <TJ-> it is loaded, but nothing is currently using it
[22:34] <MikeRL> ok.
[22:35] <TJ-> did the mdadm command return anything?
[22:35] <MikeRL> Yeah what was in quotations "intel_rst 16384 0"
[22:35] <TJ-> MikeRL: no, the next one!
[22:35] <TJ-> MikeRL: good! now lets try to poke around. " pastebinit <( sudo mdadm --detail-platform ) "
[22:36] <MikeRL> Dang sorry didn't look. )-:
[22:36] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gyjKW6BZ99/
[22:37] <TJ-> MikeRL: hmmm, what are the sizes of each of the devices ?
[22:38] <MikeRL> Each SSD is 2TB in size.
[22:38] <MikeRL> Only one shows up now.
[22:38] <MikeRL> The one not using RAID ofc.
[22:38] <TJ-> MikeRL: also, please show me " pastebinit <( sudo lspci -vvvnnk ) "
[22:38] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wSmkxFf5hb/
[22:39] <TJ-> MikeRL: mdadm found only the SATA controller. I suspect it doesn't scan NVME controllers so the lspci report will help determine if the controllers are seen at least
[22:40] <TJ-> MikeRL: this is the one mdadm found "00:17.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:06d6]"
[22:41] <MikeRL> So what to do? Is this fixable? I don't wanna be rude but I gotta make dinner soon and get ready for work.
[22:41] <MikeRL> If the thing is too big of a headache, I can always go back to SATA.
[22:42] <MikeRL> I do thank you for the help regardless.
[22:43] <TJ-> MikeRL: no sign of NVME devices - they'd have class [0108] - I suspect they are behind one of the two PCI bridges 00:1c.0 or 00:1c.4 - most likely the first since its resources show as [disabled]
[22:44] <MikeRL> They shown up in GUI programs before the fake RAID switch.
[22:44] <TJ-> MikeRL: let's look at the tree of devices "pastebinit <( lspci -tvvnn ) "
[22:45] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3ZhCksfxCq/
[22:46] <sorta_noob> Thanks TJ- AlexPortable and sarnold for your responses. I'm not finding anything that's moving me towards making this run, so I'm gonna give Mint a go next. That really saddens me, I was looking forward to giving 21.04 a go. I guess I'll just have to update this desktop finally (from 19.04) to get that experience...
[22:46] <TJ-> MikeRL: I bet they're on that disabled bus [02] on the 1c.0 bridge
[22:47] <AlexPortable> sorta_noob: have you tried installing another desktop environment?
[22:47] <MikeRL> Why is the bus disabled?
[22:48] <MikeRL> Any way to enable?
[22:48] <TJ-> MikeRL: Now, there is a slight chance a kernel option may help. Linux uses what ACPI tells it about bridges, and it may be the BIOS change doesn't update what ACPI reports. There's an option you can add that tells Linux to ignore ACPI and probe hard. "PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use "pci=nocrs" and report a bug"
[22:48] <TJ-> MikeRL: are you familiar with manually adding a kernel command-line option at boot-time?
[22:49] <MikeRL> How do I do that? Hover over a grub entry and press e?
[22:49] <sorta_noob> AlexPortable no, I didn't. Got a suggestion in that regard? I've always just used the Ubuntu defaults (gnome or Unity, or whatever). I used xfce and a few others in other distros, but never tried changing Ubuntu's defaults.
[22:49] <AlexPortable> i'm not sure which is light enough to run, but you might be able to try xfce or lxde
[22:49] <TJ-> MikeRL: yes, then navigate down to the line starting "linux ..." and add " pci=nocrs " and then press Ctrl+X to boot with that change
[22:50] <AlexPortable> switch to ctrl+alt+f1 (i think), login into terminal and install the desired desktop environment
[22:50] <AlexPortable> then switch to it with the right bottom button when you login
[22:50] <TJ-> MikeRL: this is a long shot but it /may/ work (but Intel don't really want to support RST on Linux)
[22:51] <sorta_noob> AlexPortable It does load an xsession from tty2 (using "startx"), just not from login.
[22:52] <MikeRL> WIll try. Have to exit and reenter on phone.
[22:54] <sorta_noob> AlexPortable I'm installing xfce by installing the metapackage, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" any expected config I'm going to need to do after the install finishes?
[22:55] <AlexPortable> not sure
[22:55] <MikeRL> Sadly the command didn't work. I'll reformat as SATA.
[22:56] <TJ-> MikeRL: Good plan. Some good info on why, here https://community.intel.com/t5/Solid-State-Drives/Intel-Rapid-Storage-Tech-and-RAIDing-PCIe-NVMe-SSD-cards/td-p/344606
[23:00] <TJ-> MikeRL: another here that MAY make it work. It gives options to set in BIOS. My eyes are drawn to "M.2 Slot X RST PCIe Storage Remapping" https://community.intel.com/t5/Intel-NUCs/Why-can-t-Intel-RST-see-either-NVMe-drive-quot-No-disks/td-p/452314
[23:01] <sorta_noob> AlexPortable after installing xfce4, the DE switching button described earlier appears on the login screen. 2 choices, the already selected "ubuntu" and "ubuntu on xorg". Switched to "ubuntu on xorg" and tried logging in. Same result, a return to login screen. Possible issue was already running xsession on tty2, so I rebooted and am about to try again.
[23:04] <sorta_noob> Still fails, the de swap button not there. Found possible issue, need "xubuntu-desktop". Installing that now.
[23:06] <sorta_noob> xubuntu-desktop install made me choose between lightdm and gdm3. Chose to switch to lightdm in case it's about gdm3.
[23:13] <TJ-> MikeRL: Linux patch-set here to enable it, refused by maintainers, but some very good explanations as to what a mess Intel RST on NVMe is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:15] <sorta_noob> AlexPortable well, I wasn't planning on Xfce, but xfce just worked. I'm gonna give this a go for a while and see how I like it. Been a long time since I used xfce....
[23:16] <sorta_noob> I wonder why gnome/weyland/unity or whatever Ubuntu 21.04 is using by default is failing....
[23:19] <AlexPortable> no idea, but you can at least diagnose it a bit better now
[23:20] <sorta_noob> Yeah. Now I'm gonna work on the radeon stuff. Maybe try fglrx or that new amd driver.
[23:22] <AlexPortable> How do I expose different ports in audio to be used at the same time by applications? right now i can only select 'built-in analog stereo', but not which port (3.5mm or spdif)?
[23:23] <sarnold> AlexPortable: oh man still no luck? :( there's folks in #lau who may have ideas
[23:23] <sorta_noob> Well, ubuntu's proprietary graphics driver installer doesn't think I'm elligible for fglrx, I don't think I want to try and force it in manually.
[23:23] <AlexPortable> sarnold: will try there thanks
[23:27] <TJ-> AlexPortable: have you experimented with "pactl --set-sink-port ..." ?
[23:27] <AlexPortable> TJ-: yes, that sets it, but doesn't allow both ports to be seen by applications like skype
[23:28] <TJ-> AlexPortable: does the internal wiring allow multiple ports from one codec/sink ?
[23:28] <AlexPortable> on windows it does, so I think yes
[23:29] <TJ-> AlexPortable: I'd expect, if it is possible, you'd have to do some pretty low-level (hardware pin control, below ALSA) changes
[23:29] <AlexPortable> where would I change that?
[23:34] <TJ-> AlexPortable: it'd me a kernel thing. Possibly not the way, but generally that is how the internals of the devices is programmed
[23:35] <AlexPortable> I just tested, I can create two new sinks in the config file to split them up, but the audio quality is lower and very quiet
[23:39] <TJ-> Did you do something like this? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/401492/how-to-output-unique-audio-to-multiple-ports-profiles-of-a-pulseaudio-card
[23:47] <kevr> I've got this ~/.config/mimeapps.list, somehow generated by some applications: http://sprunge.us/DfwQAY
[23:47] <kevr> Even though it says pdf should be launched with firefox.desktop, it keeps using evince to do so.
[23:48] <kevr> i'm a bit confused.
[23:48] <kevr> ideas?
[23:49] <kevr> OK, well. I should have probably dabbled a bit more before asking. I noticed in that file it set it up as "Added Associations," I was thinking... if somewhere else a default was set, perhaps that is somehow overriding the added association
[23:50] <kevr> so i took the [Added Associations] and just dumped them into the [Default Applications] section instead.
[23:50] <kevr> Fixed it.
[23:50] <kevr> I wonder how this got broken in the first place, though. I did not change this file manually until now.
[23:51] <kevr> Seems after I installed evince, something happened which caused it to be used as default for pdfs


[00:10] <zamazan4ik> hello. When will kdevelop5 package will appear in Kubuntu?
 there's no ETA yet
 we want to get 16.10 out the doors first
 then we can work on getting KDevelop 5 into the backports
[00:26]  * ahoneybun blames tsimonq2
[00:38] <zamazan4ik> IrcsomeBot: ty for answer
[03:04] <ahoneybun> mm plasmashell just shut down
[03:04] <ahoneybun> and is not starting up
[03:34] <tsimonq2> Hello again ninjas. Don't mind me, I'm just rebuilding mgmt_merger.
[03:34] <ahoneybun> why is it so red?
[03:34] <tsimonq2> because I made it red :P
[03:34] <ahoneybun> mm
[03:39] <ahoneybun> wow
[03:40] <ahoneybun> yofel: can we lower the limit of jobs for the KCI?
[03:41] <ahoneybun> it's hitting almost 100% CPU on the server
[04:02] <ahoneybun> mm I wonder if this has to do with that okular removal
[05:18] <acheronuk> WTF?
[05:18] <ahoneybun> ?
[05:20] <ahoneybun> what?
[05:20] <acheronuk> all the broken merges
[05:20] <acheronuk> then fixes
[05:21] <ahoneybun> yea a ton of fixes
[08:56] <acheronuk> plasma-sdk is now FTBFS as it can't find kirigami or kdevplatform. if they can be added by someone to KCI at some point that would be great
[11:23] <acheronuk> that LP publisher maintenance on Sunday mornings is a PITA. all those failures that aren't really
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:31] <acheronuk> afternoon :)
[11:40]  * acheronuk switches to Grand Prix mode
[11:57] <BluesKaj> hi acheronuk
[12:55] <soee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SDDM-0.14-Released
[13:50] <ahoneybun> fun fact: don't update KDE Connect
[14:02] <soee> wat happend ?
 I can't connect to my phone
 I think the phone version is too new
 nvm
[14:44] <clivejo> ahoneybun: Ive packaged kdeconnect 1.0 for yakkety - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/kdeconnect-kde
[14:46] <clivejo> currently discussing going on regarding the need for Qt5.6 for it
[14:47] <ahoneybun> mm
[14:47] <ahoneybun> oh wow 14.04 too?
 Noo that was just a test
[20:54] <mitya57> tsimonq2, I tried to debug the qtquickcontrols / i386 failure and the news are quite bad
[20:54] <mitya57> First, for me it crashes not necessarily in test_windowHeight2(), but right after test_invisibleContentItemChildren()
[20:55] <mitya57> I.e. it should be test_minimumHeight(), but if I disable it, it crashes in the next test
[20:56] <mitya57> Then, the stack is damaged, so there is no useful stacktrace
[20:57] <mitya57> Finally, I spent some 30 minutes trying to debug stack corruption with memcheck and gdb, but got no luck
[20:58] <mitya57> So maybe the best way for you will be to not run the tests at all
[20:58] <mitya57> (note: I'm replying here because OFTC is not feeling good today)
[21:10] <tsimonq2> mitya57: hello :)
[21:10] <tsimonq2> mitya57: if you make the change upstream, I'll pull it in
[21:10] <tsimonq2> mitya57: (unless it doesn't affect Debian?)
[21:10] <tsimonq2> mitya57: (and by upstream I mean Debian)


[08:44] <Amoz> i dont seem to be able to link a branch to a bug report, but i dont know why. Maybe anyone here would know? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtorrent/+bug/2063110/ https://code.launchpad.net/~fougner/ubuntu/+source/rtorrent/+git/rtorrent/+merge/465325
[08:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 2063110 in rtorrent (Ubuntu) "rtorrent crashes on startup" [Undecided, Confirmed]


[17:23] <Fazer2> Riddell: hi, I followed your "guide" about creating a patched package from yesterday, but I got stuck on dput command
[17:24] <Fazer2> Riddell: when I wrote "dput ppa:piekarzarkadiusz/ppa .libqt5gui5_-5.3.0+dfsg-2ubuntu9ppa1_source.changes" I got "Can't open /home/fazer/dev/qtbase-opensource-src-5.3.0+dfsg/.libqt5gui5_-5.3.0+dfsg-2ubuntu9ppa1_source.changes"
[17:27] <Fazer2> Riddell: I also tried "dput ppa:name/ppa *changes" and got "Not a .changes file. Please select a .changes file to upload."
[17:32] <Fazer2> if anyone else knows the answer, I'll be glad to hear it :-)
[17:34] <Riddell> Fazer2: ".libqt5gui5" why the random dot?
[17:34] <Riddell> use the filename
[17:34] <Fazer2> Riddell: damn
[17:35] <Fazer2> Riddell: without the dot I get can't open file
[17:36] <Riddell> Fazer2: well does the file exist?
[17:36] <Fazer2> Riddell: I assume I should have a *.changes file generated by debuild -S, but it's not there
[17:36] <Riddell> what happens?
[17:37] <Fazer2> Riddell: debuild -S ended successfully with Successfully signed dsc and changes files
[17:38] <Fazer2> Riddell: strange, I also don't see *.dsc file
[17:38] <Riddell> Fazer2: cd ..
[17:38] <Fazer2> ooooooooh
[17:38] <Fazer2> I'm an idiot
[17:40] <Fazer2> Riddell: now it looks like I have to correct distribution from UNRELEASED to utopic
[17:44] <Riddell> Fazer2: that seems like a good idea
[17:45] <Fazer2> Riddell: it's building right now on Launchpad :-D
[17:45] <Fazer2> Riddell: thanks for help :-D
[17:46] <Riddell> awooga
[17:46] <Fazer2> XD
[17:46] <Riddell> Fazer2: lots more packaging to be done in kubuntu land, join #kubuntu-devel to become an elite kubuntu ninja :)
[17:46] <Fazer2> Riddell: I assume it will create a couple of binaries, including libqt5gui5
[17:47] <Fazer2> it's funny, I'm on Kubuntu now ;-)
[17:47] <Fazer2> I don't think I have so much time now, maybe after finishing degree
[17:49] <Riddell> Fazer2: you're welcome any time
[17:50] <Riddell> Fazer2: or.. make kubuntu your degree, lots of disseration projects to be had
[17:50] <Fazer2> haha
[17:50] <Fazer2> I already chose to make some simple game with AI
[17:50] <Riddell> put it in KDE :)
[17:53] <Fazer2> Riddell: ha, if I'm satisfied with it ;-)
[17:54] <Fazer2> Riddell: I can see launchpad builder shows only a few last lines of output and has to be refreshed manually, can it be changed?
[17:54] <Riddell> Fazer2: no I think you just need to be patient, you can download the whole build log at the end
[17:55] <Fazer2> Riddell: yeah, but it's not the same, Jenkins has an advantage here


[07:33] <thedoctar> Hi
[07:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Hello!
[07:33] <thedoctar> I'm having trouble installing Lubuntu 22.04
[07:33] <thedoctar> At first the bootloader step of calamares failed
[07:34] <thedoctar> I fixed this by adding the option --no-nvram in the bootloader/main.py calamares module
[07:34] <arraybolt3[m]> What system are you installing it on?
[07:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Dell Inspiron 7000 or something like that is the info I'm looking for.
[07:34] <thedoctar> But then later a step failed when it tried to install grub-efi-amd64-signed
[07:34] <thedoctar> Acer Aspire 4750
[07:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, OK, are you trying to install it alongside an existing OS?
[07:35] <thedoctar> I previously was dual-booting Windows 7 and Lubuntu 16.04
[07:35] <thedoctar> I was trying to upgrade Lubuntu
[07:35] <thedoctar> I thought it would be simple but it seems the bootloader doesn't work out of the box :(
[07:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, do you know if your system boots in EFI or BIOS mode?
[07:36] <thedoctar> I'm not really sure to be honest. The first two partition are Windows related, and one of them has an EFI folder, so I assumed EFI
[07:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, if you could pop open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T, then run "cat ~/.cache/calamares/session.log | nc termbin.com 9999", then send the link, that may be helpful (this will give me your installation log).
[07:37] <thedoctar> But in the BIOS there are literally no options regarding legacy/EFI mode for booting
[07:37] <thedoctar> https://termbin.com/45tx
[07:37] <arraybolt3[m]> To me it sounds like some sort of conflict is happening between already existing bootloader stuff, I'm not quite sure yet.
[07:38] <thedoctar> It used to load with GRUB on Lubuntu 16.04
[07:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy, I think I found it.
[07:38] <thedoctar> Oh, so quick?
[07:38] <arraybolt3[m]> grub-install: error: failed to register the EFI boot entry: Operation not permitted.
[07:38] <thedoctar> Yes that is the error
[07:38] <thedoctar> And below it says something about the terminal
[07:39] <thedoctar> But I don't know how to fix it
[07:39] <arraybolt3[m]> So I think what's happened is that your laptop has too many boot entries in the firmware. This can happen sometimes, and the solution is to delete some of the older entries.
[07:39] <thedoctar> How do I do that?
[07:39] <thedoctar> That makes sense
[07:39] <thedoctar> Because on the boot loader when I press F12, I get repeated ubuntu options
[07:39] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm looking it up right now.
[07:39] <thedoctar> And then a HDD option
[07:40] <thedoctar> You're good!
[07:40] <thedoctar> But my bios is really basic
[07:40] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: Can you run "sudo efibootmgr" and tell me if you see anything when you do that? (Please don't paste the output into IRC, I just want to know if efibootmgr is installed or not.)
[07:40] <thedoctar> no. I can install it if it helps
[07:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, just "sudo apt install efibootmgr".
[07:41] <arraybolt3[m]> That will allow us to see the boot entries, determine the obsolete ones, and delete them.
[07:41] <thedoctar> I have 12 boot options
[07:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Yikes.
[07:42] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, so, in order to let me see them, can you do "sudo efibootmgr | nc termbin.com 9999" and send that link too?
[07:42] <thedoctar> I sent you a personal message via   “start query”
[07:44] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, it's not come through yet, one moment...
[07:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Argh, Matrix isn't letting it through, one moment while I join via IRC...
[07:44] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, you should see a user called "arraybolt3" (without the [m] part) that you can query and I'll get it.
[07:45] <arraybolt3> That's me!
[07:45] <thedoctar> Got it?
[07:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Yep, got it.
[07:45] <thedoctar> Yay!
[07:46] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I'd delete both 000B and 000C from there, which you can do with "sudo efibootmgr -b 000B -B && sudo efibootmgr -b 000C -B".
[07:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Then the bootloader can make a new one for "ubuntu" during the installation procedure.
[07:47] <thedoctar> HDD0 was the original bootloader, should I delete that too?
[07:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Nah, I'd leave it.
[07:47] <thedoctar> Okay
[07:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Anything we can leave safely, I'd leave. You can mess stuff up if you delete too much.
[07:47] <thedoctar> Ok great, I will try again
[07:48] <thedoctar> Also, do you know why I need to --no-nvram option, and should I report this as a bug?
[07:48] <thedoctar> Because once the installer fails, you can't restart from the previous position
[07:48] <arraybolt3[m]> I do not know, but I suspect it's related to the UEFI problem, and I'd remove it now that we've done this trick.
[07:48] <thedoctar> Also a really annoying anti-feature
[07:48] <thedoctar> Hm okay
[07:56] <thedoctar> I still get the same error
[07:56] <thedoctar> grub-install: error: failed to register the EFI boot entry: Operation not permitted.
[07:56] <thedoctar> Unknown terminal: qterminal
[07:56] <thedoctar> Check the TERM environment variable.
[07:56] <thedoctar> Also make sure that the terminal is defined in the terminfo database.
[07:56] <thedoctar> Alternatively, set the TERMCAP environment variable to the desired
[07:57] <arraybolt3> thedoctar: Oy. There's a bot in here that will automute you if you paste a bunch of stuff into IRC, so you probably won't be able to send anything for another 60 seconds, sorry about that.
[07:57] <arraybolt3> thedoctar: You can use Pastebin.com to send large amounts of data without that happening.
[07:58] <arraybolt3> thedoctar: Can you run "sudo efibootmgr" again and see if the old entries that we deleted actually got deleted or not?
[07:58] <arraybolt3> (Also the bot just unmuted you \o/)
[07:58] <thedoctar> Yay!
[07:58] <thedoctar> What does the unknown terminal error mean?
[07:59] <arraybolt3> I don't know, sadly. But the error with grub-install eems to be the root of our problems.
[07:59] <arraybolt3> *seems
[08:00] <arraybolt3> I'm gonna search that error and see what known solutions there are.
[08:00] <thedoctar> Okay thanks
[08:01] <arraybolt3> thedoctar: Can you poke around inside your BIOS settings for anything called "Fast Boot"? I see reports that it might be causing trouble.
[08:01] <arraybolt3> If you see it and it's enabled, turn it off and try again.
[08:05] <thedoctar> brtb
[08:05] <thedoctar> brb*
[08:10] <thedoctar> I don't have a fastboot option
[08:10] <thedoctar> I don't have any boot options actually
[08:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Blah.
[08:10] <thedoctar> Maybe my BIOS is just shit.
[08:10] <thedoctar> It's from 2011
[08:11] <arraybolt3[m]> And you're sure the old boot entries are gone? The two we deleted?
[08:11] <thedoctar> Yeah. One is back because I did the install again
[08:11] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: OK that is really odd. How did the install fail this time then?
[08:11] <thedoctar> It was the Unknown Terminal error
[08:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Did it give a specific error message on screen?
[08:12] <arraybolt3[m]> And if so, it was that Unknown Terminal thing?
[08:12] <thedoctar> The installer tries to upgrade/install the package grub-efi-amd64 on the target system, and then the configuration script fails.
[08:13] <thedoctar> I copy pasted it but maybe I was blocked before it reached here. I will run it again. But basically itw as saying qterminal was unknown and I should modify the variables TERM or TERMCAPS
[08:13] <arraybolt3[m]> That's just so weird. Did you check your ISO to make sure it wasn't corrupted during the download?
[08:13] <thedoctar> I've already used it twice, but maybe it got corrupted in between?
[08:14] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: And those two times it worked?
[08:14] <thedoctar> Yeah
[08:14] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess maybe it got corrupted in between. I just can't imagine how on earth qterminal would have anything to do with installing EFI variables.
[08:15] <thedoctar> Hmm okay I will try rewrite the startup disc
[08:18] <thedoctar> @arraybolt3, when I tried to run qterminal on the target system after it gave the “Unknown Terminal” error message, qterminal failed to run, saying it couldn't find the display or something.
[08:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Very interesting. That sounds like a corrupted installer to me.
[08:19] <arraybolt3[m]> qterminal is just the terminal app that you run commands in with Lubuntu.
[08:19] <arraybolt3[m]> But... we were able to run commands a bit ago, so...?
[08:24] <thedoctar> @arraybolt3[m] I meant in the target system. So this is after I run chroot /tmp/calamares-root-ID
[08:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. If you did a chroot, that explains it. Graphical apps like QTerminal have a hard time dealing with chroots.
[08:46] <thedoctar> I rewrote the USB startup disc, but I get the same unknown terminal error. The thing is, is calamares is chroot'ing into the /tmp/calamares-root folder, and then trying to upgrade grub-efi-amd64. The configure script for this calls the terminal program, which is set to qterminal, which fails to run.
[08:47] <thedoctar> @arraybolt3[m] Any ideas?
[08:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Sorry, I'm really not sure. I'd suspect a firmware bug.
[08:53] <arraybolt3[m]> When you boot the ISO, what mode are you booting it in?
[08:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (I just had an idea, LOL)
[08:55] <thedoctar> You mean EFI vs BIOS?
[08:55] <thedoctar> It's EFI
[08:56] <thedoctar> BTW, the terminal stuff I think is because when I tried doing the commands by hand, the apt command prints out a text-based window thing, maybe that's why that error is there
[08:56] <thedoctar> But I still get the “can't add this to EFI boot menu” problem
[08:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Yes. I know the firmware is EFI, but are you booting the ISO from a boot menu, and if so, are you selecting the EFI entry?
[08:58] <thedoctar> Yes there is a boot menu. There's no option regarding EFI or otherwise. But the installer says EFI in the upper left-hand corner on the partition page
[08:58] <thedoctar> I can complete the grub-install command with the --no-nvram option after the package installation though. Coudl it be something to do with that?
[08:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm... yeah I think that's the problem. The thing is the --no-nvram option basically tells GRUB to not mess with the firmware, which isn't really how it's supposed to work.
[09:00] <arraybolt3[m]> And even if you could force it to work somehow this way, the package itself appears to run the command normally, so you'd need to hack the packaging every single time GRUB updated, which could be an ordeal.
[09:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh hey wait! If you open up KDE Partition Manager, can you tell me what partition table your disk is using? MBR or GPT?
[09:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Actually, it may not tell you, but I can probably find a tool that will...)
[09:02] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: Can you run "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link?
[09:11] <thedoctar> It's MBR
[09:11] <thedoctar> But I managed to get it working, but manually running grub-install --no-nvram and update-grub. But I never completed the installation process.
[09:11] <thedoctar> Probably my firmware is broken, right?
[09:11] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: MBR is your problem.
[09:12] <arraybolt3[m]> EFI isn't designed to work with MBR at all.
[09:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Do you need to keep the Windows install you currently have on this system?
[09:12] <thedoctar> Preferably
[09:12] <arraybolt3[m]> And also, can you set your laptop into Legacy mode or BIOS mode?
[09:12]  * arraybolt3[m] looks up BIOS options
[09:12] <thedoctar> No, the BIOS has no problems
[09:12] <thedoctar> options*
[09:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. I'm guessing Windows is probably booting in BIOS mode, but the firmware supports EFI.
[09:15] <thedoctar> Can I get the Windows version into the GRUB menu for booting with the current setup?
[09:15] <thedoctar> How do I get the BIOS version of Lubuntu 22.04?
[09:15] <arraybolt3[m]> The problem is that you'll run into future errors down the road when updating, and it will probably break your package setup.
[09:16] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: One moment, I have an idea for that...
[09:18] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: OK, so try turning the laptop all the way off, then insert the USB drive with the Lubuntu installer and turn it back on. Immediately after you hit the power button, start pressing F12 over and over until the boot menu shows up. If it gives you an option to boot the USB stick in Legacy mode or something like that, use that option.
[09:22] <thedoctar> Nah, that's how I normally boot the USB
[09:22] <thedoctar> I'll try update the BIOS
[09:22] <thedoctar> Maybe then I get more options
[09:22] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: Crummy. By "no options" do you mean that you're not finding the options, or that there's a password set?
[09:22] <thedoctar> I can't find the options
[09:23] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: A photo would be nice, since everything I see says there's plenty of options.
[09:23] <thedoctar> I got to go for now, thanks for the help. I'll keep you updated if I make more progress later
[09:23] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: Can you try using the right arrow key when you first boot into the BIOS? The BIOS setup on the Acer looks like it's one of those where you change menus with the left and right arrow keys and then enter the options in the menus with the up and down keys.
[09:23] <arraybolt3[m]> thedoctar: OK, see you later! Hope we can get this sorted out.


[18:17] <jrwren> man... i hate yaml.
[19:44] <llua> yaml is web scale tho
[19:56] <cmaloney> I'm actually writing an interactive storyworld using YAML as the configuration and encounter files.
[20:38] <jrwren> I'm so sorry.
[20:38] <jrwren> I spent hours earlier today trying to get yaml correct. I fall in to the 'never yaml' camp.
[20:51] <Mooncairn> Running into problems install Ubuntu 22.10. Started install process on a LVM LV, installer barfed as it tried to install Grub on LV. Given options to change boot device, manually install Grub, or cancel install. None of the three options worked. Had to power off computer.
[20:52] <Mooncairn> Boot into Debian and update-grub. Ubuntu is added to boot menu (yay!). Boot into Ubuntu. It's really slow (on a SSD). Wind up at an empty screen, but can switch to other VTs. No Wayland or X11.
[22:12] <Mooncairn> Any advice on how I can do a full Ubuntu install w/o taking the express option to nuke an entire drive's partition table? Doing otherwise currently appears to be a no-go.
[22:46] <cmaloney> I'd probably start with the Ubuntu Server stuff and then install ubuntu-desktop on top of it
[22:46] <cmaloney> that's how I usually install
[23:42] <Mooncairn> Dual-booting Debian and Ubuntu, even temporarily, looks like it may be a slightly painful.
[23:43] <Mooncairn> Debian's update-grub adds Ubuntu via os-prober, so kernel flags needed by Ubuntu don't get added.
[23:44] <Mooncairn> (As an aside, this was also responsible for the slow Ubuntu boot, due to all the console boot output since "quiet" wasn't passed to the kernel.)
[23:45] <Mooncairn> Generating a Grub config from Ubuntu gets what I'm assuming is a useful menu entry for Ubuntu, but again os-prober is called to find Debian. At least in this case the Debian menu entries look close to if not the same as what is generated from Debian.
[23:46] <Mooncairn> The really weird thing is that Ubuntu's update-grub *also* generates a whole host of Ubuntu 22.10 menu entries via os-prober. You'd end up with a bunch of redundant Ubuntu entries.
[23:48] <Mooncairn> So, yeah, Ubuntu Server install is up next, probably tomorrow.


[23:07] <Orfeous> pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: error byte-compiling files (398)
[23:07] <Orfeous> pycentral pkginstall: error byte-compiling files (398)
[23:07] <Erickj92> what is going on?
[23:10] <Erickj92> my KDE4 packages are borken.
[23:11] <motya> so woweegonnadu?
[23:11] <Erickj92> why are the KDE4 packages broken?
[23:11] <motya> dunno
[23:12] <Erickj92> please someone?
[23:15] <BluesKaj> Erickj92, KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:15] <Jucato> Erickj92: please try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:25] <ahmos> hi, can any body tell me why after installing some programmes i don't find an icon for it in the k menu and every time i must run it from terminal,and when i close trminal the programme is closed too?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:27] <Daisuke_Ido> first thing, one exclamation point is more than enough
[23:28] <ahmos> :D
[23:28] <Daisuke_Ido> second, what programs, and are you installing them through adept?
[23:29] <ahmos> alot,but for example xpenguins
[23:33] <ahmos> Daisuke_Ido: where r u?
[23:33] <Daisuke_Ido> you haven't answered the question -_-
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> are you installing from the repos?
[23:34] <ahmos> i have (alot,but for example xpenguins)
[23:34] <ahmos> yes
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> well, is there an "other" or "lost and found" in your kmenu?
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> i ask because i've given up on kde until 4 stops being horrible :)
[23:35] <ahmos> no
[23:36] <Jucato> ahmos: press Alt+F2, and run "kbuildsycoca" then check the menu if some of those were added to the menu
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> hey, nice :)
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> i actually didn't know about that
[23:36] <Jucato> 1. Some programs do not really get added to the menu (like command line stuff, maybe some games).
[23:37] <Jucato> 2. You might be able to find some apps that can be added to the menu by running "kappfinder" and checking those that you want to add automatically
[23:37] <Jucato> 3. Worst case scenario, you can add a menu entry for the app yourself, although if it's a command line app, that will be a bit useless
[23:38] <ahmos> aha.but kbuildsycoca didn't work
[23:39] <ahmos> i can't find kmail to in my k menu
[23:39] <ahmos> i must start it with terminal
[23:39] <Jucato> aah Kubuntu removed that because you can find KMail in Kontact
[23:40] <Jucato> you don't need to start it from the terminal. you can run it from Kontact, or press Alt+F2 and run it from there
[23:40] <ahmos> ah u r right :)
[23:41] <maroo> hello, is there a way to browse the itunes store (for podcasts/free non drm music etc) and/or access those phobos urls?
[23:42] <Netusurfer> Hello to everybody. Has anyone of you gotten to work the TV features of an ATI ALL IN WONDER 9600 card under ubuntu 7.10?
[23:43] <ahmos> ok thank's alot you all..for your time
[23:43] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: just wondering, why not stick to KDE 3.5.x until that day you're waiting for KDE 4?
[23:45] <root> can someone help. I can't install konqueror. It's becomes broken all the time.  the error is kio-wrapper something
[23:48] <root> what room is kde4
[23:48] <Dragnslcr> !kde4
[23:48] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:48] <root> thx
[23:48] <carlzenox> ddoes kubuntu play .mp3's ?
[23:48] <posingaspopular> yes
[23:48] <posingaspopular> yes carlzenox i should say
[23:48] <carlzenox> it wont
[23:48] <carlzenox> tho
[23:48] <motya> linux play everything
[23:49] <motya> *plays
[23:49] <Jucato> carlzenox: install libxine1-ffmpeg (MP3 and AVI codec)
[23:49] <carlzenox> it just goes through all the songs each song like 2 seconds with no output
[23:49] <posingaspopular> carlzenox: do you have the proper codecs installs
[23:49] <carlzenox> E: Couldn't find package libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:50] <motya> not bad
[23:50] <Jucato> then you don't have the codecs. can you try installing "kubuntu-restricted-extras"?
[23:51] <carlzenox> type "kubuntu-restricted-extras" in terminal?
[23:51] <Jucato> no, that's the name of the package