[13:18] <jrwren> speaking of halloween music... https://ovomusic.bandcamp.com/album/ignoto?from=fanpub_fb_pr
[13:44] <jrwren> ZOMG BEST GAME TRAILER EVER! https://store.steampowered.com/app/1733250/Turbo_Kid/


[00:23] <sergevn> are the read error raid values something to worry about?
[00:23] <sergevn> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/142410/
[00:23] <foo> Having some NFS problems. Any tips? I can't seem to mount the share. The services are running. How can I query the NFS server to make sure it's running?
[00:24] <Deeps> rpcinfo
[00:24] <Deeps> you may find your firewall is blocking, or your hosts.allow/hosts.deny files
[00:25] <foo> rpcinfo -p <IP_ADDRESS> is showing me something, but I'm not sure I'm using it properly. Any way to have rpcinfo spit out the shares?
[00:26] <Deeps> exportfs -v
[00:26] <foo> yeah, I see that on the server... any way to query the server from the client?
[00:26] <foo> I do see the shares on the server
[00:27] <foo> thanks Deeps
[00:28] <Deeps> rpcinfo from the client will let you know if you can reach the remote nfs server
[00:28] <Deeps> exporfs will show you what shares you have defined on the server, with what ip restrictions (if any)
[00:28] <Deeps> exportfs*
[00:29] <foo>  /public         <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,wdelay,insecure,root_squash,no_subtree_check,anonuid=1000,anongid=1001)
[00:29] <foo> I see that on the server
[00:29] <foo> I wonder if this is a version conclict or something
[00:29] <Deeps> dunno if there's anything you can run from the client to see what shares the server has
[00:29] <foo> rpcinfo -p theip returns     100003    3   tcp   2049  nfs
[00:30] <foo> with some other stuff...
[00:30] <foo> So I think it sees nfs
[00:30] <foo>  sudo mount public
[00:30] <foo> mount: special device <IP_ADDRESS>:/public does not exist
[00:30] <foo> but I mount and get that
[00:30] <Deeps> what's your line in your fstab?
[00:30] <foo> this has been working for years, can't think of anything that has changed other than maybe versions during an upgrade
[00:30] <foo> <IP_ADDRESS>:/public /home/matt/public auto defaults 0 0
[00:31] <Deeps> you've not defined a filesystem type
[00:31] <sbeattie> foo: showmount -e <server> will query the server from the client as to what's exported.
[00:31] <Deeps> that may be whats causing a problem
[00:31] <foo> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on <IP_ADDRESS>:/public, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[00:31] <foo> Deeps: nah, thought that was it
[00:31] <Deeps> try from cli, mount -t nfs -o soft <IP_ADDRESS>:/public /home/matt/public
[00:31] <sbeattie> anything in dmesg?
[00:33] <foo> errrrrrrr, I needed nfs-common installed. How the heck did that get uninstalled...
[00:33]  * foo mumbles under breath
[00:33] <foo> thanks
[02:01] <Doonz> interesting. when i copy files from a usb drive on my ubuntu server my network connection on it pretty much dies. this normal?
[02:02] <twb> Doonz: it is not.
[02:02] <Doonz> thats what i thought
[02:02] <twb> Doonz: I would guess (GUESS, mind you) that the USB bus and the NIC are on the same PCI interrupt, so they fight.
[02:02] <Doonz> oh
[02:02] <twb> I once had a similar problem where the NIC and sound card where on the same interrupt, so downloading stuff caused the audio to sputter.
[02:03] <Doonz> that would make sense since both these are on board
[02:03] <twb> You should also run dmesg and look for anything suspicious, particularly at the bottom of the output
[02:03] <Doonz> ill have to wait till the file copy is done cause i cant ssh into the box
[02:04] <twb> You can also use top and iostat (iowait?) to find out if you're simply "filling up" the machine's resources.
[02:04] <Doonz> i have htop
[02:04] <twb> Whatever.
[02:04] <Doonz> and its a 2x dual core xeons with 8gb ram and only one processor show any activity and its only 6% and ram is only 500mb of 8gb
[02:05] <twb> hand waving
[02:05]  * Doonz confused
[02:05] <twb> I've given you my initial analysis, you need to do further investigation to isolate the fault
[02:05] <Doonz> ok i like your response better then the last one
[02:05] <Doonz> thnx
[02:07] <Doonz> twb you know anything about software raid?
[02:08] <twb> Yes.
[02:10] <Doonz> say i build a raid 5 array with 4 disk's. Later i want to add a 5th to that array. is it hard to grow the array or even possible?
[02:11] <twb> I haven't done that myself.  I think it is easy.
[02:11] <Doonz> ok
[02:12] <twb> It would probably be slow to rebalance, though
[02:13] <Doonz> wich is fine
[02:13] <Doonz> this is just for pure storage (media server)
[02:27] <twb> If you have 5 disks, you might want to consider having two parity disks instead of one (sometimes misnamed "raid 6").
[03:18] <oh_noes> If I installed Ubuntu server in English, can I stil  create Filenaes in chinese (or anyu other .. ie internationalization)  format?
[03:19] <twb> oh_noes: yes.
[03:19] <twb> The filesystem should use UTF-8 by default
[03:20] <Iceman_B|SSH> YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT
[03:20] <oh_noes> including SSH/vt100?
[03:20] <Iceman_B|SSH> excuse my caps
[03:20] <Iceman_B|SSH> genii: giovani : I think I figured out what the problem was
[03:22] <Iceman_B|SSH> it turned out that my Wii was configured with the same IP address as my server
[03:22] <Iceman_B|SSH> >_<
[03:23] <Iceman_B|SSH> Wireshark pointed it out, I saw ARP packets with the MAC belonging to Nintendo. At first I didnt think much of it, but then decided to check my Wii settings
[03:23] <Iceman_B|SSH> and there it was. So the dropping connections -should- be over
[03:24] <twb> oh_noes: er, not, UTF-8 is still used everywhere by default
[03:24] <twb> oh_noes: you will probably just see ? or gibberish on your terminal if you use a vt100, though.
[03:24] <twb> s/not/no/
[03:25] <twb> Iceman_B|SSH: this is why I tend to configure the netire network with a top-down DHCP setup.
[03:25] <twb> *entire (sheesh)
[03:25] <twb> I just use /etc/ethers to ensure that servers get a fixed IP from the DHCP server.
[03:26] <twb> That way if I want to change settings, I only have to change the appropriate DHCP server, rather than both the router and the server's static IP configs.
[03:27] <oh_noes> twb: thanks, so all aspects except for terminal support UTF-8?
[03:27] <twb> oh_noes: most terminals should support some/all of Unicode, too.
[03:28] <twb> For example, xterm will display the ISO 8859 parts correctly but will struggle with CJK.
[03:28] <twb> urxvt and mrxvt respectively can do a good job of CJK and bidi.
[03:29] <leonel> scottK  python-clamav  is  done ??  I was going to start  to fix it for clamav 0.95
[03:29] <Iceman_B|SSH> twb: I know, and that's clever. Maybe I should put my Wii in DHCP mode as well. I started putting in Manual IP's for my own devices and tracking them in a textfile. Since I dont have THAT many devices.
[03:30] <twb> Iceman_B|SSH: /etc/ethers can be that text file, and still manage everything via DHCP
[03:30] <Iceman_B|SSH> The reason I use static IP's is that I want a fast p2p connection on my laptop(NAT) and a stable line when Im playing on my XBOX360
[03:31] <Iceman_B|SSH> ah, but I have a DD-wrt router that does the DHCP-ing
[03:31] <Iceman_B|SSH> hm, now that I think about it,I think I put in static leases
[03:31] <Iceman_B|SSH> which is probably what I should do instead of manually assigning an IP
[03:33] <twb> If dd-wrt uses dnsmasq for DHCP, then /etc/ethers will Just Work
[03:33] <twb> I do that on openwrt.
[03:33] <Iceman_B|SSH> it does. but I configure it using the webinterface
[03:33] <twb> Ah well, I wouldn't know about web UIs
[03:34] <Iceman_B|SSH> well, I imagine that they have the same effect in the end
[03:34] <twb> Except that drawing continuously updating usage graphs with ajax and svg is massively sexy.
[03:35] <Iceman_B|SSH> that sir, is correct
[03:38] <Iceman_B|SSH> I dont know where dd-wrt saves its network config, the dirlayout is all funky
[03:45] <twb> That's one reason to use openwrt instead ;-)
[04:32] <Iceman_B|SSH> when I look in Aptitude, I see 3 kernels: linux-image-2.6.27-11-generic, linux-image-2.6.27-11-server and linux-image-2.6.27-7-server.
[04:32] <Iceman_B|SSH> in currentl using generic, but I want to switch back to server
[04:32] <Iceman_B|SSH> what packages can I remove after a reboot and how do I do that?
[08:30] <kraut> moin
[08:43] <lukehasnoname> morning
[08:51] <mattt> evening
[09:34] <genii> Is there some limit on number of post-up directives allowed in /etc/network/interfaces ? I had quite a few in there to correct my routing but only the first few were being executed for some reason. Then I copy/pasted them out to a script and ran that from a post-up directive which worked. No order was changed, etc.
[10:45] <naymyo> hi
[10:45] <naymyo> why less users online?
[10:46] <naymyo> where to ask about ubuntu server administration and maintenace?
[10:50] <Jeeves_> Yes, here. :)
[10:51] <naymyo> ok i have questions about minimum hardware requirement for Ubuntu server
[10:53] <Jeeves_> PII, 128MB ram
[10:53] <Jeeves_> or so
[10:53] <Jeeves_> but what do you want to do?
[10:53] <rst-uanic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[10:55] <naymyo> bare minimum is so low , isn't it? ok for server?
[10:56] <rst-uanic> depending on what you want to do
[11:03] <naymyo> ok thanks brother
[11:03] <naymyo> the other thing is as i have no internet on my test lab server at home, i have to use APTonCD which i made at work
[11:05] <naymyo> so for all commands- apt-get install ******** from CD,  i have to put deb that cdrom in sources.lst , right? how to put that entry in detail?
[11:05] <naymyo> or .iso file i made
[11:15] <zox> naymyo: maybe apt-cdrom --cdrom /media/cdrom will help
[11:23] <serwou> hi
[11:24] <serwou> I've reported this NIS server bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nis/+bug/353698 Anyone already had the issue before? I would like to fix the problem asap :-/
[12:45] <mrwes> I know clamav does realtime monitoring of incoming email, but can it do realtime monitoring of folders too?
[13:46] <mat1211> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew how I could give a user who is not an admin permision to upload to a certain directory?
[13:51] <ivoks> acl
[13:51] <loginhelp> Good evening to all. I just installed an ltsp server and am having problems with a thin client. It boots from the nic, gets to the login screen then it waits and goes blank.
[13:51] <loginhelp> i dunno what i just did right now but i was able to go into the shell and login from there. It says the password is incorrect. Is the ltsp user list different from the one entered into the users manager in ubuntu?
[14:15] <orudie> is Simple Directory Listing any good ?
[14:21] <mat1211> Hi, I have a question about file permissions.  I have a dirrectory, called uploads.  Lets say that the usergroup is named uploaders, how would I give users in the uploaders group permission to write to the uploads dir?
[14:22] <jpds> mat1211: chmod 0770 /path/to/uploaders && chown user:uploaders /path/... ?
[14:24] <mat1211> Ah.  What do you mean path to uploaders? lol
[14:24] <jpds> No, uploads, sorry.
[14:27] <mat1211> and then for the chown command, its the username:groupname /path to dir I want to set write perms for?/
[14:27] <jpds> Yep.
[14:28] <mat1211> ah, thanks.
[14:32] <mat1211> When I do chown it says opperation not permitted.
[14:35] <mat1211> What can I do so it doesn't say that? lol
[14:36] <jpds> mat1211: Put 'sudo' in front of the command so root does it.
[14:36] <mat1211> I did.
[14:36] <jpds> And it still doesn't let you?
[14:36] <mat1211> said not permited, maybe because its /var/www?
[14:37] <mat1211> its really strange.
[14:37] <jpds> mat1211: Which command are you running exactly?
[14:38] <mat1211> The exact command is, with different username and dirs, "sudo chown user1:uploaders /var/www/uploads
[14:41] <mat1211> I think it should work but...
[14:41] <mat1211> Would it matter that the dir is on an external hd?
[14:42] <jpds> I don't think so, is it mounted over NFS or SSHFS or something?
[14:42] <mat1211> vfat
[14:42] <mat1211> only thing iv got :P
[14:44] <mat1211> Don't think that would make a difference though.
[14:58] <loginhelp> does anyone know why an ltsp client will not login to an edubuntu server?
[15:30] <ball> How much disk space does Ubuntu Server need?  I'm thinking of putting it on a flash stick
[15:34] <_coredump_> ~700mb iirc
[15:34] <serwou> ball: /dev/sda1             1.7G  459M  1.2G  28% /
[15:35] <ball> Okay, that could work
[15:35] <ball> I should probably tell it not to swap though
[15:36] <mib_e205oh19> hi i have a wifi problem can anyone help me please
[15:42] <CrummyGummy> Hiya, I installed Ubuntu server with a password protetcted LUKS LVM partition. Any ideas how I can make it boot without a prompt?
[15:46] <ball> un-password-protect it?
[15:49] <CrummyGummy> aaaah, the root of my question. I don't want to reinstall, just clear teh password.
[15:50] <CrummyGummy> so how do I do it?
[15:53]  * ball shrugs
[16:06] <quizme> For ubuntu, apache 2, where in the directory structure is the appropriate place to put an .conf file for a subset of websites hosted on that server?  I want to put all of my mod_rails configurations in one place.  in mods-available?
[16:08] <orudie> what is the syntax of a command of the 'find' utility to search for files owned by a particular user ?
[16:08] <yann2> man find ? :)
[16:09] <yann2>        -user uname
[16:09] <yann2>               File is owned by user uname (numeric user ID allowed).
[16:10] <orudie> please help me out
[16:10] <orudie> can i use it after the user had been removed along with his home directory
[16:11] <Deeps> yes, using the numeric user id
[16:12] <orudie> and how can i know what the user id is , i already removed this user
[16:12] <ball> orudie: can you look at one of the files that he or she created?
[16:13] <orudie> nope
[16:13] <giovani> orudie: yeah, if you find one file of the user's do ls -n filename
[16:13] <orudie> thats the thing
[16:13] <giovani> and it'll list the uid:gid for the file
[16:13] <Deeps> look in one of your backups, from before you deleted the user
[16:14] <orudie> sudo find -user 'theuseriremoved' - does not return any output, so that means no files are located on the system
[16:14] <giovani> orudie: incorrect
[16:14] <orudie> errr
[16:14] <giovani> it has to have an entry in /etc/passwd to equate the username to a UID ... since you've deleted the user, it's not there
[16:14] <Deeps> plus thats only searching within the current relative path, you need to find /
[16:15] <giovani> the filesystem doesn't know anything about usernames -- only UIDs ... so unless you can find the UID of the user, this won't help
[16:15] <Deeps> (unless you're sitting in / already)
[16:15] <giovani> orudie: I know this doesn't help now, but in the future "deluser --remove-all-files" will do what you want
[16:15] <giovani> while also deleting the user
[16:16] <orudie> so what if i recreate the user with the same user name and do deluser --remove-all-files
[16:16] <giovani> that will only work if it has the same UID
[16:16] <giovani> once again ... filesystems know nothing about usernames -- it's simply using the entry in /etc/passwd to map a name to a UID
[16:17] <giovani> so if the UID is different, that won't help you
[16:18] <orudie> so how can i find out his UID now, find user username from / returns one file in cron jobs, which is really bad :(
[16:18] <ball> How can I tell whether Ubuntu Server found any temperature sensors?
[16:18] <orudie> thats the user that had been hacked
[16:18] <orudie> lol
[16:19] <ball> That's "cracked" btw orudie
[16:19] <ball> hello mathiaz
[16:19] <giovani> heh
[16:19] <giovani> no need for silly semantics
[16:19] <orudie> so which one of you did it !? lol
[16:20] <giovani> orudie: if you found a file owned by the user, then do ls -n filename
[16:20] <giovani> and then it'll list the UID of the file
[16:24] <orudie> giovani, can i pm you ?
[16:25] <giovani> orudie: I don't see the need
[16:25] <orudie> heh ok
[16:25] <giovani> if you have an ubuntu support question, ask here
[16:25] <orudie> ok so the output of ls -n /file/path is -rw------- 1 1004 108 228 Mar 25 20:31
[16:26] <giovani> ok
[16:26] <orudie> which is the UID ?
[16:26] <giovani> so the UID of the user who owns that file is 1004
[16:28] <orudie> ok
[16:28] <orudie> so how can i remove all the files associated with this UID ?
[16:28] <giovani> well, find them first
[16:29] <giovani> sudo find / -uid 1004
[16:30] <orudie> yup, still shows only that 1 file
[16:30] <orudie> in cron
[16:30] <giovani> ok
[16:30] <giovani> well, that's it
[16:30] <orudie> so just remove that file ?
[16:30] <orudie> or i have to look at cron configs as well
[16:34] <ball> Oh well, I'm off out to buy some lightbulbs and listen to the Ubuntu UK podcast
[16:36] <orudie> ball, sounds exciting
[16:38]  * ball grins
[16:38] <ball> I'll have to take a tape measure because I can't think in inches
[16:52] <orudie> can i disable ssh client connections for some of my users and if yes will they still be able to use the email accounts ?
[17:00] <orudie> how can i disable ssh clieng logins for some of my users ?
[17:01] <jpds> orudie: DenyUsers user1 user2 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[17:01] <jpds> orudie: See: man sshd_config
[17:02] <orudie> it all be in one line
[17:02] <orudie> separated by spaces ?
[17:02] <jpds> Yes, separated by spaces as the manpage says.
[17:02] <orudie> :)
[17:03] <orudie> is it wise to deny root ?
[17:03] <orudie> if one of my users is in the sudoers file
[17:03] <jpds> That would be: "PermitRootLogin"
[17:04] <orudie> PermitRootLogin yes , what if i change that to no ?
[17:04] <jpds> You won't be able to login as root.
[17:04] <orudie> ok
[17:04] <jpds> However, Ubuntu doesn't have root enabled by default so, they can't unless you've enabled root.
[17:04] <orudie> yeah root is now enabled
[17:06] <jpds> If you want to deny root logins use PermitRootLogin
[17:30] <cemc> can i use /dev/shm to store temp files, or should I create another ramdisk ?
[18:20] <Doonz> Hey guys i have a headless 8.10 server. WHat im trying to do is install a desktop on it so i can vnc from my xp box to that boxes desktop. can anyone point me to a guide that i can follow
[18:20] <leonel> a desktop on a server ????
[18:21] <olcafo> I use Putty to ssh into my headless ubuntu servers.
[18:21] <olcafo> from windows
[18:21] <Doonz> yes
[18:21] <cemc> Doonz: just install vncserver
[18:21] <Doonz> sudo apt-get install vncserver
[18:22] <cemc> I have vnc4server
[18:23] <cemc> and run the server with -localhost, then connect through putty/ssh with port forward, then vncviewer localhost:2 ;)
[18:23] <Doonz> this server is in a dc
[18:23] <Doonz> so nothing will be local
[18:23] <Doonz> trying to set it up for a new ubuntu user
[18:24] <Doonz> trying to make it like it was with his window both a
[18:24] <cemc> ummm... don't think it's the best idea :)
[18:24] <Doonz> box*
[18:24] <cemc> vnc is slow :0
[18:24] <Doonz> 100mbit both links
[18:24] <Doonz> not worried about speed
[18:24] <cemc> will be still slow trust me :)
[18:24] <cemc> that's not a good ubuntu experience for a new user, through vnc ;)
[18:24] <cemc> IMHO
[18:25] <Doonz> and the terminal is much better
[18:30]  * jmedina recomends FreeNX, it is much faster than VNC and it uses SSH for secure connections :D
[18:31] <jmedina> the only problem I see is that it open new X sesion, AFAIK it can't attach to DISPLAY 0
[18:39] <orudie> jmedina, hi
[18:39] <jmedina> orudie: hi
[18:43] <sendric> hello
[18:43] <sendric> somebody can help me ?
[18:44] <pmatulis> sendric: what do you desire?
[18:44] <sendric> i would like to install and configure postfix to my laptop with ubuntu 8.10 at home, to be able to send email via php
[18:44] <sendric> i have a dynamic ip address
[18:45] <lamont> postfix does not send mail via php. it sends it via smtp.  (just sayin'....)
[18:45] <sendric> ouuu
[18:45] <sendric> :d
[18:45] <sendric> i'm new in linux
[18:45] <sendric> you can understand :p
[18:45] <sendric> but still i need to configure my laptop to be able to send email via php
[18:46] <lamont> I understand that there is a steep learning curve around mailers, yes.  what exactly do you mean when you say "send email via php"?  - where does php come into the equation, since it's totally separate from anything email
[18:46] <olcafo> php has a sendmail plugin.
[18:46] <sendric> i mean if i use this code:
[18:46] <sendric> <?php
[18:46] <sendric> $to =<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:46] <sendric> $subject = "Test mail";
[18:46] <lamont> so I rather expect that you want to have php send email, which would put it out of my knowledge base and into the php-guys
[18:46] <sendric> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
[18:46] <sendric> $from =<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:46] <sendric> $headers = "From: $from";
[18:46] <sendric> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
[18:46] <sendric> ?>
[18:47] <lamont> other than the experience of blocked dialup addresses, and your ISP blocking the port, the default install of postfix, as an internet site or internet site with relay should just work.
[18:49] <sendric> hmm
[18:50]  * jmedina recomends using php-pear Mail function, it supoprts SMTP-AUTH
[18:50] <pmatulis> sendric: yes, first get to send email from the command line and move on after that to the other stuff
[19:15] <tinjaw> syslog question
[19:16] <tinjaw> I have bandwidth messages showing up in two places: /var/log/syslog and /var/log/bandwidth
[19:16] <tinjaw> I'm looking at syslog.conf
[19:16] <tinjaw> I see kern.=debug   -/var/log/bandwidth
[19:17] <andol> mathiaz: Really getting serious on the mysql bug triage? :)
[19:17] <tinjaw> and, earlier, I see  *.*;auth.authpriv.none   -/var/log/syslog
[19:18] <mathiaz> andol: me ? no... - my bot ? yes :)
[19:18] <tinjaw> so, they are going to /var/log/syslog because of *.*     correct?
[19:18] <mathiaz> andol: just kidding - It was time for some spring cleaning activities there
[19:18] <tinjaw> they are going to /var/log/bandwidth because of kern.=debug    correct?
[19:18] <andol> mathiaz: Well, kind of impressive anyhow :)
[19:18] <tinjaw> so how do I exclude them from /var/log/syslog ??
[19:19] <mathiaz> andol: now the next step is to get all my recurring questions turned into apport scripts
[19:19] <mathiaz> andol: so that next time bug description will be even more accurate
[19:19] <andol> mathiaz: make sense
[19:20] <mathiaz> andol: most of the bugs are related to mysql failing to start/stop
[19:20]  * andol makes a mental note to look into apport capabities in that regard
[19:20] <mathiaz> andol: so this is the first target for apport integration and improvement
[19:20] <andol> mathiaz: Talking about aport magic...
[19:22] <andol> mathiaz: Lots of time you see automated responses in say France, or some even more obscure language :) How possible would it be to have apport or launchpad to some magical translation?
[19:22] <andol> s/France/French/
[19:22] <beawesomeinstead> does postfix in dovecot-postfix/jaunty allow sending emails through it to other servers without authentication?
[19:23] <beawesomeinstead> *default configuration
[19:27] <giovani> heh
[19:41] <tinjaw> syslog-ng is what is installed by default on 8.10 server. correct?
[20:41] <bittin`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090402
[21:05] <centHOGGr> hi, anybody here use webmin to view syslogs?
[21:06] <JordiGH> I've got a server running F.
[21:07] <JordiGH> No way a dist-upgrade to latest I-I willw work, right?
[21:07] <JordiGH> Uhm, can I say "fucked" here?
[21:07] <centHOGGr> ha
[21:07] <centHOGGr> yeah if it's about server
[21:07] <centHOGGr> if you do a dist-upgrade now what happens
[21:08] <centHOGGr> any upgrade?
[21:08] <JordiGH> Well...
[21:08] <ewook> running F ? centHOGGr yes and no
[21:08] <JordiGH> I haven't tried yet.
[21:08] <JordiGH> FF, whatever it's called.
[21:08] <centHOGGr> <jaunty alpha
[21:08] <JordiGH> Fabulous Fox or whatever.
[21:08] <ScottK> Beta is out now
[21:09] <centHOGGr> yeah waiting till the full comes out
[21:09] <centHOGGr> hi, anybody here use webmin to view syslogs?
[21:09] <JordiGH> Ubuntu 7.04
[21:09] <JordiGH> Wanna bring it to 9.04
[21:09] <JordiGH> Or whatever seems reasonable.
[21:09] <ScottK> JordiGH: You have to upgrade to Gutsy first.
[21:10] <mattt> centHOGGr: no, why?
[21:10] <centHOGGr> what is the uname -a
[21:10] <JordiGH> So... FF -> GG -> II?
[21:10] <JordiGH> Er, missed HH in there.
[21:10] <centHOGGr> mattt: hi, i just want to look at the logs and I use webmin
[21:10] <JordiGH> Do I have to do four dist-upgrades? :-(
[21:11] <ScottK> JordiGH: Yes.
[21:11] <centHOGGr> JordiGH: unless you are dealing with older hw
[21:11] <centHOGGr> but I'm using alpha with a 500mhz super 7
[21:12] <centHOGGr> pretty well
[21:13] <JordiGH> Server has one gig of RAM...  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU           @ 2.40GHz
[21:13] <JordiGH> Doesn't seem too old, right?
[21:13] <centHOGGr> nah your fine :)
[21:14] <centHOGGr> JordiGH: what is the uname -a on your server... maybe you can install the latest kernel
[21:15] <JordiGH> 2.6.20-17-generic
[21:15] <JordiGH> Why would I want the latest kernel?
[21:15] <centHOGGr> i thought that was an upgrade
[21:16] <centHOGGr> <2.6.28-11-generic
[21:16] <JordiGH> The only reason I want to upgrade is so that I can install mercurial on the server.
[21:16] <JordiGH> FF's repos are gone.
[21:16] <centHOGGr> oh yeah
[21:16] <JordiGH> Oh, are they releasing JJ soon?
[21:17] <centHOGGr> this month
[21:17] <centHOGGr> every 4th month and 10th month
[21:17] <JordiGH> What if it isn't ready?
[21:17] <mattt> centHOGGr: i'm pretty sure it's possible, but it's been a while since i've touched webmin and i always try to avoid it if possible.  :)
[21:18] <centHOGGr> mattt: ok, how can you look at logs thru SSH? with nano or something better?
[21:18] <jmedina> centHOGGr: tail+grep
[21:18] <centHOGGr> ok
[21:19] <jmedina> I like multitail for colorized logs
[21:19] <jmedina> I prefer syslog-ng + php interface
[21:19] <centHOGGr> so 'log' tail+grep
[21:19] <centHOGGr> syslog-ng
[21:20] <mattt> centHOGGr: i like less, if the file's not too large ... or tail is good to look at a file as it's being written to
[22:18] <chrisadams> hi guys, what's the keystroke to organise in order of memory being used again?
[22:18] <chrisadams> when you're in top?
[22:19] <mfoster> just press h and it will tell you
[22:23] <Iceman_B^Ltop> how do I scroll within top ?
[23:27] <Baversjo> hi
[23:28] <Baversjo> In my iptables configuration i have allowed connections to source port 22, is there any way i can access my server? I was supposed to allow connections on destination port 22 but got it wrong. Please help :)
[23:30] <Baversjo> Anyone? I'm completely locked out of my server as i confused myself with source and destination port. Can I connect to my server with the "source" port 22?
[23:32] <Alblasco1702> is that server at home?
[23:32] <Baversjo> No :*(
[23:32] <Baversjo> In france
[23:33] <Baversjo> Am I f**ked? :(
[23:33] <olcafo> I think you might be.
[23:33] <olcafo> I make a point of not messing with IP tables if I only have SSH access to a server.
[23:34] <Baversjo> okey :P
[23:34] <Alblasco1702> it is to late for that point now
[23:34] <Baversjo> YEE :(
[23:34] <Baversjo> Damn, I had a server with 100 mbit/s dedicated internet..
[23:34] <olcafo> Alblasco1702: yeah, I suppose so.
[23:34] <Baversjo> for like 10 minutes
[23:35] <Baversjo> But what is source port?  But I could be wrong.
[23:38] <olcafo> Not really my area of expertise.
[23:38] <Alblasco1702> do you have something running on destination port?
[23:39] <Baversjo> Yes, I have a SSH server listening on port 22 at that server. The problem is that I'm allowing SOURCE port of 22 to the server, while it instead should be destination port.
[23:40] <Alblasco1702> olcafo ftp = port 21
[23:40] <Baversjo> When I applied the changes I was like nooooo and I still had a ssh connection up with the server so I searched google for a way to reset IPTABLES but after 2 minutes the connection was aborted and now I'm locked out forever :(
[23:41] <olcafo> Alblasco1702: yes, but does SSH assign a random port for connections like FTP.
[23:42] <olcafo> Alblasco1702: that's all I meant. Like I said above though, I'm not expert in this area.
[23:42] <Baversjo> So I can try to connect 60000 times and if I'm lucky it will choose port 22 and I will be able to connect? :P
[23:43] <Alblasco1702> you mean secure ftp?
[23:43] <Baversjo> SSH
[23:43] <Baversjo> SSH
[23:44] <olcafo> sftp is SSH. I just talking about regular old ftp... I'm not the one with the problem though, so it's not really important.
[23:46] <Baversjo> sftp is not SSH. Sftp is FTP over SSH :)
[23:47] <olcafo> :P
[23:48] <Iceman_B^Ltop> isnt sftp an alltogether different protocol than FTP ?
[23:58] <Alblasco1702> Baversjo i think that you have to contact the administrator on the collocation and ask of they have something as a remote insight.


[01:01] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, is there a karma graph for launchpad?
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14702   ok its an idea, not implemented
[15:53] <mpt> Does anyone know why "it has not been assigned to anyone" is in the list of requirements for an Incomplete bug to expire?
[15:54] <mpt> There are a couple of bugs that are assigned to me because I would design a solution for them if they were completely described, but they aren't, so they're Incomplete...
[15:54] <mpt> At least, a couple I came across just today
[15:56] <tsimpson> I think the concept of assigning a bug to someone implies it's being worked on by someone, so it's not marked for expiration
[16:19] <jonrafkind> my ppa recently ran out of space, im not sure whats taking up the majority of the space. maybe old packages?
[19:35] <blueyed> I am getting a timeout when trying to access my profile: OOPS-2d7bfeb3dfbc3eb26f15009efa2ba14f
[19:35] <blueyed> very reproducible:  OOPS-3451fadc22d258e5beb3ed996fb55706
[20:23] <lifeless> blueyed: file a bug please
[20:24] <blueyed> well, I do not have more information than this.
[20:24] <lifeless> thats fine
[20:24] <lifeless> file a bug
[20:24] <lifeless> include the oops.
[20:24] <lifeless> done.
[21:36] <apw> blueyed, lifeless, it is _all_ profiles as far as i can see
[21:38] <apw> blueyed, did you file one ?
[22:23] <lifeless> apw: I just tried two and they worked
[22:23] <lifeless> apw: a team one and a personal one
[22:24] <lifeless> apw: mine was fine too
[23:02] <apw> lifeless, yep and since that time the issue seems resolved, it has been like that about 24 hours, but ... hey ... thanks
[23:07] <lifeless> apw: blueeyed reported it 3 hours ago
[23:07] <lifeless> apw: so, not that long :)
[23:15] <apw> lifeless, heh no i noticed it yesterday about 4pm UTC, and sampling various times in between confirmed it was still there, testing now shows it is back, so i suspect it is time sensitive: (Error ID: OOPS-f5ad7b44a94f54a37489992c46165ff7)
[23:16] <apw> lifeless, and its done it 3x in a row, so i am guessing that page is marginal
[23:20] <apw> lifeless, looks to be timing out on UDS blueprints... perhaps that is not so supprising
[23:27] <blueyed> lifeless, apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1074518
[23:28] <blueyed> Might get merged into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1074239


[13:03] <Thomas_Z> hello! my name is thomas and i'm new to this channel. i try to make my own linker script but i have some difficulties. may someone can help me?
[13:04] <cjwatson> Thomas_Z: It sounds like that might be more appropriate in #ubuntu-packaging or somewhere like that; Launchpad is a hosting site, we can't necessarily help you with all the kinds of software you might possibly want to build on it
[13:07] <Thomas_Z> oh, i see.... it realy sounds like im wrong in this channel. perhaps, do you know if there's a channel for gcc-arm-embedded project?
[13:11] <cjwatson> Thomas_Z: I'm afraid I don't know about that specifically
[13:13] <Thomas_Z> ok, thx anyway


[07:57] <linux_unix-10> Hi
[08:02] <linux_unix-10> I'm trying to dirty reinstall Ubuntu GNOME after a packaging mishap, but it stays at the "Removing conflicting perating system files..." stage. It's just outputting systemd network refreshes.
[08:03] <mgedmin> how long have you waited?
[08:04] <linux_unix-10> mgedmin: About an hour
[08:05] <mgedmin> seems like long enough :/
[08:05] <mgedmin> I don't know how to debug this -- can you get a shell?
[08:05] <linux_unix-10> mgedmin: I had the first 30 minutes since power on for figuring out why Ubiquity closes right after entering user details.
[08:06] <linux_unix-10> mgedmin: The trick was to use "sudo ubiquity"
[08:06] <mgedmin> uhh interesting
[08:06] <mgedmin> did you launch it from a terminal instead of from a launcher?
[08:06] <linux_unix-10> mgedmin: Shell? For SSHing?
[08:06] <mgedmin> in a livecd session?
[08:06] <mgedmin> shell as in a terminal where you could run pstreee and see what processes are runnin
[08:07] <linux_unix-10> LiveUSB
[08:07] <linux_unix-10> Oh I see...
[08:07] <mgedmin> or dstat to see if any cpu/disk/network i/o is happening
[08:07] <mgedmin> or, dunno, strace to see what the installer is waiting for
[08:08] <mgedmin> unfortunately I'm completely unfamiliar with the installer so I don't think I can help interpret whatever you're seeing
[08:10] <linux_unix-10> I'm restarting Ubiquity and going through the steps again. I'll reply with an strace output when it happens again.
[08:13] <linux_unix-10> mgedmin: Well, it didn't go through the residual OS file removal stage anymore. Weird.
[08:14] <linux_unix-10> mgedmin: But so far so good. So far.
[08:17] <jbicha> ubiquity crashes some times :(
[08:18] <jbicha> rebooting seems to help
[08:18] <linux_unix-10> Or just running "sudo ubiquity" like I did. :)
[08:19] <jbicha> that shouldn't make a difference?
[08:28] <linux_unix-10> Really? Then how come the installer actually got past the user info screen?
[08:29] <linux_unix-10> Honestly, I'm not sure anyone knows why it works. I think it's one of those things that shouldn't work but did and we have no idea why.
[08:32] <linux_unix-10> OK, the install actually finished! Finally!
[09:04] <darkxst> jbicha, ping
[09:05] <jbicha> darkxst: hi
[09:05] <darkxst> how are things going for yakkety?
[09:05]  * darkxst grabbing an ISO while I have internet
[09:06] <jbicha> I think things are going well
[09:06] <jbicha> I am fixing an ancient bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gnome-wallpapers/16.10.2
[09:07] <darkxst> right, no one ever noticed those!
[09:08] <jbicha> I was wondering why my trusty vm had a solid blue background…
[09:08] <jbicha> but that might be because of something else
[09:09] <jbicha> our .iso didn't actually build yesterday because of a minor transition (the new wallpapers package took several hours to be accepted)
[09:10] <darkxst> ive seen some issues with backgrounds in vmware but they work after pressing <Super>
[09:11] <darkxst> not sure one day matters, I havent been able to get an ISO since June ;(
[09:13] <jbicha> Debian testing (!) is already on GNOME 3.22 https://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.22-status.html
[09:13] <darkxst> great!
[09:14] <darkxst> how is gtk 3.22? things settled down following css nodes in 3.20?
[09:14] <jbicha> well the MATE maintainer is upset https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/45
[09:15] <darkxst> so apprently not so well
[09:15] <darkxst> ?
[09:15] <jbicha> except for mate, I think 3.22 has been relatively calm and quiet
[09:16] <darkxst> but wasnt mate gtk 2 until recently?
[09:16] <jbicha> yes, so the Debian GNOME team wasn't aware that there could be a problem because there never was before
[09:21] <jbicha> darkxst: can you set up the yakkety322.html tracker? (it should be ready in git)
[09:27] <darkxst> jbicha, didnt I do that? or did I not update the cron job
[09:28] <jbicha> well the other pages are working, but that's a new page so maybe that's why it didn't work?
[09:28] <darkxst> meh no ssh keys on this laptop
[09:28] <darkxst> hold on
[09:37] <darkxst> jbicha, right I didnt update cron job
[09:38] <darkxst> will run on the hour
[09:38] <darkxst> now
[10:04]  * darkxst still downloading iso :(
[10:08] <jbicha> I'm heading out now
[10:09] <darkxst> k, I should have internet for the rest of weekend, then back to staff lodge


[14:52] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:53] <thafreak> Anyone ever play with the tahoe grid filesystem?
[17:29] <canthus13> Never even heard of it.
[17:35] <thafreak> http://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs
[17:35] <thafreak> the security is pretty well thought out
[17:36] <thafreak> so you can actually store stuff on the public grid, and no one will be able to access it but your gatway node
[17:36] <thafreak> I'm thinking about setting up storage nodes at any possible location I can...just don't know if I have enough to make it redundant
[19:06]  * BiosElement sighs
[19:06] <BiosElement> Planet Ubuntu/KDE really need to start removing some people >.<
[19:07] <Unit193> What's going on there?
[19:08] <BiosElement> Eh, idiotic political posts that have null to do with ubuntu, kde, programming, computers or anything of the sort even remotely related.
[19:10] <BiosElement> Webkit will take over the world.
[19:10] <Unit193> Firefox doesn't use it ;)
[19:11] <BiosElement> Sucks to be Mozilla then
[19:11] <BiosElement> They're being totally out-developed at the moment
[19:14] <Unit193> FF4 is looking good (but *very* late...)
[19:16] <BiosElement> Late and not terribly innovative really.
[19:20] <djoe> fsm help us from 'innovation'
[19:22] <BiosElement> Or not.
[19:30] <djoe> because, you know, I think that's what is really missing in the world right now--enough browser innovation.
[19:31] <djoe> I suppose it keeps the kids off the streets and out of gangs, though.
[19:31] <djoe> and it presents less threat to life and limb than being an NFL player.
[19:42] <BiosElement> You seem to underestimate how big a difference technology can make >.<
[19:49] <djoe> well, I realize more and more the older I get just how limited I am.
[19:50] <djoe> But I think I have a decent grasp of the differences technology can make.
[19:50] <djoe> but perhaps even more than you, what a pittance the 'technology' you're talking about constitutes in the broader scheme of technology.
[19:53] <BiosElement> For a tool that's only been mainstream for barely 15-20 years, it's done some amazing things I don't think anyone can deny. Even taking into account that computers in-general are really still quite young, they've managed to change the world and I think most would say for the better.  Stungun applied directly to the stereo works.
[23:24] <Cheri703> true, but I'd have to go over there and they'd know it was me. There's a big church a few doors down from my house, I'm thinking a small directional emp mounted up near the roof, able to be aimed from my house...heaven!
[23:25] <canthus13> :D
[23:25] <canthus13> Of course, if you're wielding a stun gun, they're not likely to retaliate.
[23:26] <Cheri703> depends how long it takes to cycle after a discharge
[23:26] <canthus13> Most people don't realize stun guns need to cycle.
[23:27] <Cheri703> tru
[23:27] <Cheri703> e
[23:28] <canthus13> A molotov cocktail would be effective, too. :)
[23:28] <Cheri703> true
[23:28]  * Unit193 is working on a friends laptop and named it Aegir (Capt. of Valhalla, Asgard mothership)
[23:54]  * Cheri703 is working on this: http://samurai-sudoku.com/
[23:54] <Cheri703> difficulty: fiendish