[11:43] <demonis> hi
[11:43] <cfhowlett> greetings
[12:43] <trece8> hi all. Anyone has any clue as to how to avoid applications to autostart on session login? The 'save apps open on logout' made a lot of apps autostart, and even if I close them, they open up the next time
[17:05] <mikubuntu_> is lubuntu 12.04 based on xubuntu? should i use all the tweaks on this page on this low mem laptop? :: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-xubuntu#TOC-Decrease-the-swap-use-very-important-
[17:12] <mikubuntu_> decreasing the swappiness to 10 seemed to give me an extra 30 secs of youtube play before she hung up, the page recommends going even lower to 5 for lower mem systems -- my specific question is whether the pressure (50) should also be edited, or just change 10 to 5 ???
[17:18] <OvenWerks> mikubuntu_: Ubuntustudio uses swappiness of 10 by default, but I have seen values as low as 1.
[17:18] <OvenWerks> the stock 60 is great for servers, but not for desktops.
[17:18] <OvenWerks> I don't know what "pressure"is though
[17:19] <OvenWerks> mikubuntu: ^^
[17:19] <OvenWerks> Swappiness is a lazy swap BTW.
[17:21] <mikubuntu> OvenWerks: mentions pressure in the textedit on the page: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-xubuntu#TOC-Decrease-the-swap-use-very-important-
[17:22] <bbba> Hello everyone. Using my laptop how can I connect to another laptop to fix issues in in?
[17:22] <mikubuntu> OvenWerks: now i changed from 10 to 5, and it seems to be getting caught up badly again, doesn't even play one minute
[17:23] <mikubuntu> OvenWerks: can you refresh my memory of the command to determine the machine's memory?
[17:25] <OvenWerks> mikubuntu: how much memory do you have?
[17:26] <OvenWerks> Top shows this
[17:26] <mikubuntu> OvenWerks: i don't know and i forgot the command to query mem
[17:26] <OvenWerks> if you run top it will be near the top
[17:26] <OvenWerks> of the screen
[17:26] <mikubuntu> just type top in the term?
[17:27] <OvenWerks> yup
[17:27] <mikubuntu> ok
[17:27] <OvenWerks> then q to quit
[17:28] <OvenWerks> For audio work I have found that 1G is about minimum useful, but we recommend 2G +
[17:29] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I have to go, I am playing in an hour.
[17:30] <mikubuntu> OvenWerks: ty
[17:37] <mikubuntu> 2044872k tot memorym how much is that in mb's?
[18:34] <zequence> free -m (for showing available memory)
[18:35] <zequence> free -hm to see in human readable form
[19:40] <bbba> inc
[21:23] <beatbox> hi
[21:24] <beatbox> german audio expert here?
[21:26] <beatbox> non german expert here?? :)
[21:34] <holstein> beatbox: ask if you have a question
[23:38] <Anonymouse_> is there a 14.04 for studio?
[23:46] <Unit193> There will be, sure.
[23:49] <Anonymouse_> so should i install xubuntu for now?
[23:55] <Anonymouse_> yup. best solution. Go!
[23:56] <Anonymouse_> the link is 404  @_@
[23:58] <holstein> Anonymouse_: there will be both a xubuntu and ubuntustudio 14.04.. so, i dont know what its studio vs xubuntu for you right now
[23:59] <holstein> Anonymouse_: i suggest installing xubuntu, and add whatever you want/need from the studio packages, unless audio production is your main focus
[23:59] <Anonymouse_> yup thank you


[06:26] <Kilos> morning all
[09:24] <oupateddie> Good morning..... Anybody also struggling with the Thunderbord 24.2.0?
[09:24] <oupateddie> Thunderbird*
[09:24] <Kilos> hi oupateddie
[09:26] <Kilos> i dont like thunderbird at all so i use evolution
[09:26] <Kilos> with pop settings so i only get new mails as they arrive
[09:27] <oupateddie> I suddenly after an update on this machine yesterday find that TB is like unstable. It starts scrolling and doesn't stop. All f'ed up
[09:27] <Kilos> eish
[09:28] <oupateddie> BTW the laptop is running again. I reinstalled 13.04 and it is back onlinbe with Libre Office
[09:28] <Kilos> i also use 12.04. its very stable in unity and kde
[09:28] <Kilos> well done
[09:29] <oupateddie> I do have an Idea that I'll have to do a clean install on this machine. It is showing signs of "fatigue"
[09:29] <Kilos> there is a clean up tool
[09:29] <oupateddie> 12.04 I mean as it is quite stable
[09:29] <Kilos> yeah 12.04 is very stable now
[09:30] <oupateddie> my problem is the xorg server as it is deurmekaar on this machine
[09:30] <oupateddie> clean up tool?
[09:30] <Kilos> lappy?
[09:30] <Kilos> lemme think a bit
[09:30] <oupateddie> This is also my "test machine" and whatever I want to try is on this machine so it might get a bit deurmekaar at one stagr
[09:31] <oupateddie> no PC it is a HP with an intel processor and video card
[09:31] <Kilos> have you installed the right nvidia driver
[09:31] <oupateddie> I want to move my work to a work only machine as the testing encrouches on the work side
[09:31] <Kilos> open dash and type additional
[09:33] <oupateddie> Let me put itthis way, I installed the HDD in this machine from another one which got struck by a power spike. Then I struggeld with the video output till I installed the intel drivers. But I think somewhere the drivers and patches got mixed up.
[09:35] <oupateddie> yep I have the relevant drivers installed.
[09:35] <Kilos> have you installed aptitude
[09:35] <oupateddie> I have another drive in the machine which I clean installed 12.04 and it is working perfectly. It is time to reformat the work disk...
[09:36] <oupateddie> on this machine no but I can
[09:36] <Kilos> computer-janitor
[09:36] <Kilos> use aptitude ya
[09:36] <Kilos> it tells you where probs are
[09:36] <Kilos> and mostly sorts them for you
[09:37] <oupateddie> I know about cvomputer janitor, but have not played with it yet
[09:37] <oupateddie> aptitude ot janitor
[09:37] <Kilos> there is another one but i cant think of the name atm
[09:37] <oupateddie> or*
[09:37] <Kilos> aptitude in place of apt-get
[09:38] <Kilos> then you use sudo aptitude reinstall package
[09:38] <oupateddie> I see janitor is loaded
[09:38] <Kilos> it tells you what is not needed anymore etc
[09:38] <oupateddie> just run aptitude as is
[09:39] <Kilos> also running sudo touch /forcefsck does a filesystem check on booting
[09:39] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[09:39] <oupateddie> busy with that yes
[09:40] <oupateddie> the files are OK, it is just a case of checking the sanity of all the files and if they are still required.
[09:40] <Kilos> you have different hardware on this pc you brought the drive to so might need to find what else is needed
[09:41] <Kilos> ya aptitude will remove unnecesary files
[09:41] <oupateddie> taht's it. And I'm not sure how to chck that
[09:41] <oupateddie> let me run it
[09:41] <oupateddie> just sudo aptitude?
[09:41] <Kilos> look at additional drivers again
[09:41] <Kilos> so
[09:42] <Kilos> use aptitude in place of apt-get
[09:42] <Kilos> apt-get install --reinstall becomes aptitude reinstall
[09:43] <Kilos> think of some package to reinstall then use aptitude for it
[09:43] <oupateddie> yes  I have run it at tyhis stage as sudo aptitude and it is giving be an interesting summary
[09:43] <Kilos> yeah i love aptitude
[09:44] <oupateddie> no I have used aptitude instead of apt-get previously but never as I have now
[09:44] <Kilos> also aptitude upgrade does the kernel stuff as well where apt-get doesnt
[09:45] <oupateddie> It gives me obsolete packages (81) How do I get that sorted out?
[09:45] <Kilos> it should give you the option
[09:46] <Kilos> f for fix or yes or so
[09:47] <oupateddie> It gives a menu at the top with options... sorry I'm stupid but what must I specify.. something like sudo aptitude --resolver?
[09:47] <Kilos> oh maybe sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop will find what is needed in this pc that wasnt in the other one
[09:47] <Kilos> what options does it give
[09:47] <oupateddie> trying that now
[09:48] <Kilos> you not stupid you are learning
[09:48] <Kilos> stupid peeps dont use linux
[09:49] <oupateddie> did the reinstall but got this answer : ubuntu-desktop is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled.
[09:49] <Kilos> you on 12.04 unity hey?
[09:50] <oupateddie> yep and I found how aptitude is working, menu driven just select menu option at the top
[09:50] <Kilos> if so it must be installed
[09:51] <oupateddie> 12.04 2d unity
[09:51] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[09:52] <Kilos> can take a while
[09:54] <oupateddie> busy installing
[09:57] <oupateddie> Desktop installed
[09:58] <Kilos> hi smile
[09:58] <Kilos> did it install lots?
[09:58] <smile> hi Kilos  :)
[09:58] <Symmetria> ARGHHHH
[09:58] <oupateddie> no not a lot only three progs
[09:58] <Symmetria> I ran outta disk space again :(
[09:59] <Symmetria> and I can't add more :(
[09:59] <Kilos> eish Symmetria and they are so big
[09:59] <Symmetria> kilos, lol, 3 servers
[09:59] <Kilos> whew
[09:59] <Symmetria> internal drive bays were full (6 x 3TB each)
[09:59] <Kilos> get a bigger server
[09:59] <Symmetria> so then I attached 4 x 4TB USB 3 disks to each of them as well
[09:59] <Kilos> wow 6 of them
[09:59] <Symmetria> so 34 TB each, x 3
[10:00] <Symmetria> and they all full ;p
[10:00]  * Symmetria buys another server ;p
[10:00] <Kilos> wow with what
[10:00] <Kilos> oupateddie, do sudo apt-get update
[10:00] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude upgrade
[10:00] <oupateddie> let me guess... music
[10:01] <Symmetria> kilos lol, tv episodes music and movies ;p
[10:01] <Kilos> lol
[10:01] <Kilos> delete/delete
[10:01] <Kilos> or delete after watching
[10:01] <Kilos> 34 TB is tons of drive space
[10:03] <Symmetria> lol, 34 x 3 ;p
[10:03] <Symmetria> so 102 TB ;p
[10:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:04] <Kilos> no man you collecting lotsa stuff youll never watch
[10:04] <Symmetria> haha I collect for the hell of it
[10:04] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:04] <Kilos> send some of that band width here
[10:23] <oupateddie> Kilos - check this out http://pastebin.com/t7JqdCk8
[10:23] <Kilos> ok
[10:23] <oupateddie> How do I get these either fixed or removed
[10:23] <Kilos> Spam Detection For Pastebin ID: t7JqdCk8
[10:24] <Kilos> use http://slexy.org
[10:25] <oupateddie> try again
[10:25] <oupateddie> fixed it
[10:25] <Kilos> i battle with pastebin. it takes forever to open here
[10:25] <oupateddie> hang on
[10:25] <Kilos> are you using xchat to get here?
[10:26] <oupateddie> http://slexy.org/view/s214U8He45
[10:26] <Kilos> sec
[10:27] <oupateddie> no chatzilla
[10:27] <Kilos> how many workspaces do you use?
[10:28] <oupateddie> at the moment just one but sometimes two
[10:28] <Kilos> haha i use 10
[10:28] <Kilos> xchat has its own space
[10:29] <oupateddie> chatzille is also on a separate space
[10:29] <oupateddie> so in fact two spaces at this stage
[10:30] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/127326/how-to-fix-missing-gpg-keys
[10:31] <oupateddie> thanks will check
[10:31] <Kilos> yw
[10:32] <Kilos> those things are above my limited knowledge
[10:37] <Kilos> i dunno about the duplicate entry in /var/lib/apt/lists/ maybe you can delete the duplicate one
[10:37] <Kilos> theres lotsa stuff in there
[10:38] <Kilos> im just guessing now
[10:38] <Kilos> did you add another repo?
[10:46] <Kilos> i go move sheep to another camp quick
[10:46] <Kilos> wbb
[11:09] <Kilos> back
[11:13] <Kilos> oupateddie, you winning?
[11:14] <oupateddie> slowly... just had something to snack but slowly winning
[11:14] <Kilos> cool
[11:14] <oupateddie> I think I must go and inspect the insides of my eyelids soon
[11:15] <Kilos> lol
[11:17] <oupateddie> seems that there are duplicates sitting in the sources.list.d directory
[11:17] <oupateddie> and it is moaning about them
[11:18] <oupateddie> slowly removing the dupl's
[11:18] <Kilos> ah
[11:18] <Kilos> i wonder what caused that
[11:18] <Kilos> saterdays are bad days all the clever peeps are shopping
[11:20] <oupateddie> excessive playing around
[11:23] <Kilos> Symmetria, whats happening with the fast server
[11:35] <oupateddie> Right Kilos, got all the dup's sorted
[11:35] <Kilos> well done
[11:35] <oupateddie> but that was not what I wanted to ask about this morning, it was all about the thunderbird problem
[11:36] <Kilos> lol
[11:36] <oupateddie> I got that fixed now, but tb is still playing up...
[11:36] <Kilos> tonight the clever peeps will be here , maybe one of them has an idea
[11:37] <oupateddie> I'll not be here.... I'm going to a dance here in town so I'll be shaking, rattling and rolling
[11:37] <Kilos> what was the prob again?
[11:37] <Kilos> lekker
[11:37] <Kilos> maybe google has an answer for us
[11:38] <Kilos> is ysterfontein actually a town?
[11:38] <oupateddie> When it opens and you move your mouse over the list of mails it starts displaying funnies..
[11:38] <Kilos> not just 2 shops and a garage
[11:38] <Kilos> explain funnies
[11:39] <oupateddie> Yzerfontein is a 1 horse town and that horse has died... but it is summer holidays and the town is cooking
[11:39] <Kilos> have you got thunderbird with a ppa as well
[11:39] <oupateddie> Today is the snoek derby's first leg to be followed tomorrow
[11:39] <Kilos> aw i love smoked snoek
[11:40] <oupateddie> no tb is in main repo
[11:40] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall thunderbird
[11:40] <oupateddie> I triewd to soke snoek but I could not light it and it is not good for the lungs....
[11:40] <Kilos> lol
[11:41] <oupateddie> there's probably over 100 boats out to sea and they all return now for weighing in time
[11:41] <Kilos> wow
[11:41] <Kilos> you right near the beach
[11:41] <Kilos> lekker
[11:42] <charl> good morning
[11:43] <Kilos> hi charl
[11:43] <charl> or good afternoon, i should say
[11:43] <charl> hi Kilos
[11:43] <charl> hi oupateddie
[11:43] <oupateddie> sitting behind my computer and looking out over the sea with Dassen Island to my left
[11:43] <oupateddie> hi charl
[11:43] <Kilos> help with thunderbird
[11:43] <Kilos> it shows funnies
[11:43] <Kilos> hehe
[11:44] <oupateddie> its like bad egss... no yokes...
[11:45] <Kilos> oupateddie, use evolution
[11:46] <Kilos> it can even make its own backups
[11:46] <oupateddie> eish all my emails are set up with tb and the add-ons etc...
[11:46] <oupateddie> this is just since the upgrade which was done yesterday
[11:47] <oupateddie> I suspect that an update will be forthcoming in a day or two for this new error
[11:47] <Kilos> ah maybe you can roll back to the older version
[11:47] <oupateddie> I hate older virgins.... lol
[11:47] <Kilos> charl, help man
[11:47] <oupateddie> it might however be a video driver that is playing up again
[11:48] <Kilos> try the additional drivers thing in the dash again lets see
[11:48] <oupateddie> something else which I had done yesterday was to swop monitors.. the other one was fading fast and I replaced it with this one. However it did not do this before the update
[11:50] <oupateddie> when I hover the mouse over an email and move the pointer to the next mail entry then it sort of copies the description to the lines following the emal... Nothing really happens but I cannot select an email.... a bit of a sh1t situation
[11:50] <charl> sorry just give me a few minutes
[11:50] <charl> just got up
[11:50] <oupateddie> wakey wakey
[11:50] <Kilos> hehe
[11:50] <Kilos> he is in europe
[11:51] <charl> not that it's an excuse, we are one hour behind you
[11:51] <charl> just making some coffee
[11:52] <Kilos> oupateddie, did you check additional drivers?
[11:53] <Kilos> lets make sure it aint nvidia
[11:53] <oupateddie> let me redo that quickly
[11:56] <charl> oupateddie: you hate older virgins?
[11:56] <charl> what's the problem though?
[11:57] <oupateddie> yep charl older virgins are bad for your health... lol
[11:57] <oupateddie> Kiols it is not nvidia..
[11:57] <oupateddie> Kilos
[11:57] <oupateddie> sorry I'm typing bad today
[11:57] <Kilos> lemme catch up quick
[11:58] <oupateddie> it is  a 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller   vendor: Intel Corporation
[11:58] <Kilos> did you reinstall thunderbird?
[11:58] <Kilos> ah
[11:58] <oupateddie> Yep and still doing the same
[11:58] <Kilos> does additional drivers show anything
[11:59] <oupateddie> nothing I say, nothing
[11:59] <Kilos> ai!
[11:59] <Kilos> is that onboard graphics
[11:59] <oupateddie> yep
[12:00] <oupateddie> if it is a video problem then the other apllications will also be affected and it is only TB
[12:01] <charl> that can't be a video driver problem
[12:01] <charl> something is wrong with your desktop manager
[12:01] <charl> what exactly is the problem? can you make a screenshot?
[12:03] <oupateddie> nope. What is happening is that when I open TB and I point the mouse at an email and then moved the mouse in any direction it is as if the "active" line is then pulled to all the lines across whicht emouse is moved. That is just what it looks like but nothing happens to the actual mail.
[12:04] <oupateddie> And this only started this morning after I had an upgrade last night
[12:06] <oupateddie> I am of the opinion that this is a graphics problem now. I shall have to update the xorg as this monitor seems to be the culprit..
[12:07] <oupateddie> just want to restart
[12:08] <charl> ah i se
[12:08] <charl> see
[12:08] <charl> interesting
[12:08] <charl> but if you have an intel on board chip then it shouldn't be an issue
[12:08] <charl> i use the same, it's very stable
[12:08] <charl> the open source drivers for intel i mean
[12:08] <charl> but you never know... i haven't run updates here for a week and i also don't use thunderbird
[12:16] <Kilos> oh my he crashed now
[12:17] <Kilos> or very slow reboot
[12:17] <Kilos> charl, he can use synaptic to reinstall everything to do with xorg and xserver methinks
[12:27] <charl> i guess you could try it
[12:27] <charl> but i don't know if that will fix the problem
[12:27] <charl> i have had some funny issues like that in the past myself
[12:27] <charl> but never with an intel graphics card
[12:27] <charl> always with some crappy nvidia or other setup
[12:31] <Kilos> who knows. we must just try everything till its fixed. he is quite new to buntu
[12:32] <Kilos> few months i think
[12:36] <charl> in worst case you can just reinstall
[12:37] <charl> but if you do an update again it will most likely go kaput yet again
[12:37] <charl> so there is no real point
[12:37] <charl> outside of simply not doing an update of certain packages
[12:37] <charl> perhaps keep back updates of the linux kernel
[12:37] <charl> not a good thing to do because then you also don't get security updates
[12:37] <charl> but if you have no other choice...
[12:37] <charl> otherwise consider moving to a different mail client but i also realise that it is not a very convenient option ...
[12:38] <charl> i am rather unhappy myself with the pushing of cutting edge kernels of ubuntu
[12:38] <charl> on the one side, you get the "latest and greatest" but kernals are tricky
[12:39] <charl> my mother has two computers who are using some old nvidia cards
[12:39] <charl> they both completely fail with the new ubuntu
[12:39] <charl> i got her to install arch and now she's up and running again without any problems
[12:39] <Symmetria> goddamn
[12:39] <charl> but arch is even more cutting edge than ubuntu
[12:40] <Symmetria> I just discovered that one of the guys I used to work with (who works for the csir/meraka/sanren), is a convicted murderer
[12:40] <charl> lol
[12:40] <charl> well you never know the circumstances
[12:40] <charl> so be careful to judge
[12:40] <Symmetria> how the hell he is even outta jail is a bit of a mystery since he was sentenced in 2003 for slitting his wife's throat
[12:40] <charl> brrrr ok
[12:40] <Symmetria> charl, he slit his wifes throat with a knife in the bathtub after he thought she was having an affair ;p
[12:41] <charl> phew !
[12:41] <charl> talking about jealousy
[12:41] <charl> some smart people are also insane
[12:41] <charl> take reiser for example
[12:41] <Symmetria> how the hell he is outta jail though I dont know
[12:41] <charl> brilliant guy that invented reiserfs and in the meantime he's an occultist
[12:41] <Symmetria> murderfs!
[12:42] <charl> nice bio
[12:42] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser
[12:42] <charl> "Hans Thomas Reiser (born December 19, 1963) is an American computer programmer, entrepreneur, and convicted murderer."
[12:43] <charl> sounds awesome except for the last part :)
[12:44] <charl> " In 2004, he founded Namesys, a corporation meant to coordinate the development of both file systems. In April 2008, Reiser was convicted of the first degree murder of his wife, Nina Reiser, who disappeared in September 2006."
[12:44] <charl> lesson, don't marry a person working in ict
[14:18] <Kilos> oh charl i had an idea, he took that drive from another pc where he installed ubuntu
[14:19] <Kilos> maybe it installed something there while checking hardware and now hardware not the same
[14:20] <Kilos> i will ask him tomorrow if he gets up after tonights dance/party
[14:20] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[14:25] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:43] <Kilos> boom boom coming closer. power can go anytime
[18:11] <kbmonkey> halllo o/
[18:12] <charl> hi kbmonkey
[18:13] <Kilos-> hi kbmonkey
[18:13] <charl> yet another end-to-end encrypted chat client https://threema.ch/en/
[18:13] <Kilos-> big boom booms here now
[18:13] <charl> and yet again, fully proprietary
[18:13] <charl> and not standards-basede
[18:13] <charl> *based
[18:14] <kbmonkey> I was trying out a free secure message system recently.. what was it called...
[18:14] <charl> if people just bothered working together we would have had an awesome, fully interoperable standard already
[18:14] <kbmonkey> yup
[18:14] <charl> let me know kbmonkey, i am working on one myself
[18:14] <charl> if you can find the name
[18:15] <Kilos-> charl dont worry about whats already existing, take the lead and make a good one
[18:16] <Kilos-> even open your own irc channel and go to other channels and ask those that are interested to join you
[18:17] <kbmonkey> it uses pgp, it was still in dev but worked pretty neat. Ill try find out.
[18:27] <kbmonkey> charl, hot sauces named mega byte and terra byte - http://imgur.com/64m6wDZ
[18:28] <charl> whahaha
[18:28] <charl> very good
[18:28] <charl> the one on the right looks like it might be herbanero sauce
[18:30] <charl> i am literally watching a nature program from the netherlands right now
[18:30] <charl> you would think it isn't possible but apparently it is
[18:30] <kbmonkey> no just garden chillies, old man made them
[18:30] <kbmonkey> streaming nature shows? nice!
[18:30] <charl> http://www.denieuwewildernis.nl/tv-serie/
[18:32] <charl> oh it's about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oostvaardersplassen
[18:32] <kbmonkey> charl, I found it. https://bitmessage.org
[18:32] <kbmonkey> it is in python and on github
[18:33] <kbmonkey> beta but working
[18:33] <kbmonkey> oh wow that looks like a good place to watch a show on!
[18:34] <charl> i'm looking at the site now, it looks interesting
[18:35] <charl> i'm particularly interested in the protocol
[18:35] <charl> it claims to be peer to peer, which always worries me
[18:35] <charl> peer to peer is hard, and after quickly scanning the protocol document it isn't clear to me how that's implemented yet
[18:36] <kbmonkey> it uses a similar approach to tor, using your generated key.
[18:36] <kbmonkey> what is interesting is that keys are disposable.
[18:36] <kbmonkey> just create a new one for each conversation, or keep one for longer.
[18:38] <charl> that's not that interesting, ssl/tls uses the same approach for each connection
[18:38] <charl> you do a connection handshake, and part of that handshake is negotiating a cipher and keys
[18:38] <charl> i'm looking at this post now: http://cryptojunky.com/blog/2013/03/09/setting-up-and-using-bitmessage-an-encrypted-communications-platform-based-on-bitcoin/
[18:39] <charl> "Each message requires a proof of work that is designed to take around four minutes."
[18:39] <charl> this makes it completely unsuitable for use as a replacement for instant messaging
[18:41] <kbmonkey> well let me know if you ever keen to try it out. I am always interested in encryption stuff :)
[18:41] <kbmonkey> keeping my eye on that project...
[18:41] <charl> thanks for the heads up, but it's not really what i'm looking for
[18:41] <kbmonkey> no problem
[18:41] <kbmonkey> off to make dinner now, a bit late but hey its weekend
[18:44] <superfly> kbmonkey: not Telegram?
[18:44] <superfly> oh, bitmessage
[18:44] <kbmonkey> yes, bitmessage was the one I tried
[18:45] <kbmonkey> have not looked at how many other ones are out there yet
[20:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[08:17] <hvn52> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 on my BeagleBoard and when trying to run update/upgrade it shows there are updates but after entering Yes, I get messages like "could not connect to ports.ubuntu.com:80 (IP: <IP_ADDRESS>) which I can connect to in a browser without a problem. Also ping works. Can someone explain this ?
[21:20] <mijk> hey
[21:20] <mijk> what kind of hardware are you guys running Ubuntu on?


[21:58] <julius> hi
[21:59] <julius> i would like to learn about how poulsbo/drm/kernel are related, where would you start?


[07:18] <tjbiddle> Hi all. What would be the best way to have a server continuously attempt to mount a NFS file system, until it’s available, but without holding up boot?
[07:19] <hateball> you could use autofs
[07:28] <tjbiddle> hateball: That looks like it may be perfect - thanks!
[07:55] <Village> Hello, maybe someone try run DC++ server on Ubuntu..?
[07:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:57] <Village> Good morning, lordievader
[07:57] <lordievader> Hey Village, how are you doing?
[07:58] <Village> Not bad, thanks, looking how to run dc++ hub server on ubuntu, you don't try it?
[07:59] <lordievader> Nope, never done anything with that.
[07:59] <Village> Maybe someone try, but looks like american peoples sleep now, and there are morest american peoples
[08:33] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: aodh and ceilometer are still foobar
[08:34] <jamespage> they both now listen on port 8000 rather than the configured port in /etc/<pkg>/<pkg>.conf
[08:40] <tjbiddle> hateball: Took some fiddling - but works beautifully, thank you!
[08:47] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: https://bugs.launchpad.net/aodh/+bug/1629796
[09:02] <gargsms> Using Apache2 on AWS on Ubuntu 14.04. I need to include an environment variable in my log file. I tried export VARIABLE="something" and then add %{VARIABLE}e to my log formats. The variable is empty in the logs, though
[10:01] <xnox> percona-galera 50%: Checks: 2, Failures: 0, Errors: 1
[10:01] <xnox> galera/tests/write_set_ng_check.cpp:246:E:WriteSet:ver3_basic:0: (after this point) Received signal 7 (Bus error)
[10:01] <xnox> on armhf =(
[10:48] <LostSoul> Hi
[10:49] <leangjia> hello.
[11:03] <LostSoul> I'm kinda noob if it comes to DNS
[11:04] <LostSoul> So my question is, if I have zone file, how to redirect it (cname this domain) to another domain?
[11:04] <LostSoul> When I'm trying to use cname, I'm getting: loading from master file XXX failed: CNAME and other data
[11:04] <maswan> you can only cname individual records, not the entire domain
[11:08] <LostSoul> Any idea how to do it?
[11:09] <LostSoul> In best possible way?
[11:09] <bekks> LostSoul: you cannot do that, you can only redirect individual records.
[11:13] <_ruben> cnames are probably the most misunderstood records within dns :)
[11:14] <LostSoul> bekks: So I have domain X and I want it to redirect to domain Y
[11:15] <_ruben> define "redirect"
[11:30] <LostSoul> Ok, so there is no easy way to give all domain in certain zone IP/redirect/cname of other adres?
[11:32] <rbasak> Not at the DNS protocol level. It may be possible to configure a nameserver to do it dynamically or something like that, but I don't know of a specific example.
[11:32] <_ruben> one example would be: https://doc.powerdns.com/md/authoritative/howtos/#using-alias-records
[11:50] <coreycb> jamespage, urgh, thanks. hopefully we're good now on aodh/ceilometer.
[11:51] <jamespage> coreycb, aodh tested OK - have a charm change up for that
[11:51] <jamespage> doing the same with ceilometer - package is OK now
[11:51] <jamespage> coreycb, next cycle we switch to apache2+mod_wsgi (<< EmilienM you'll probably be interested in that switch)
[11:52] <EmilienM> like you did for keystone?
[11:52] <EmilienM> creating default enabled vhosts, etc
[12:00] <jamespage> EmilienM, yup
[12:00] <jamespage> same model
[12:00] <EmilienM> ok
[12:40] <Village> Maybe someone try, but looks like american peoples sleep now, and there are morest american peoples
[12:40] <Village> maybe someone try run DC++ server on Ubuntu..?
[14:46] <coreycb> ddellav, I synced magnum, gnocchi, and sahara
[15:00] <ddellav> coreycb ack
[17:23] <rockstar> coreycb: nova-lxd rc1 is out. https://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=display&name=nova-lxd&version=<IP_ADDRESS>rc1
[17:43] <coreycb> rockstar, nova-lxd uploaded
[17:43] <ndboost> hey
[17:43] <rockstar> coreycb: ta
[17:43] <ndboost> im trying to setup an apt-mirror of ubuntu
[17:43] <ndboost> with the pxe stuff
[17:43] <ndboost> for 14.04 i used debian-installer
[17:43] <ndboost> what is it for 16.04?
[17:56] <gargsms> Trying to make different log file for status code 200 with Apache.2 Is it possible?
[21:30] <ThiagoCMC> Hey guys, where can I found the docs to setup OVS-2.6 with DPDK-16.07 from Newton Cloud Archive?
[21:31] <ThiagoCMC> I managed to make it work with plain Xenial (OVS-2.5 / DPDK 2.2) but, super unstable, trying it again this week...
[21:31] <sarnold> ThiagoCMC: hah, your name was the first thing that came to mind.. "sounds like something thiago would have done" :)
[21:32] <ThiagoCMC> LOL
[21:32] <nacc> heh
[21:37] <holocron> I'm fooling with juju lxd here, and following a reboot, none of my lxc containers will start properly. With no lxc processes running, I can run lxc list without issue, but "lxc start <container>" hangs. If I CTRL-C and check ps, there's something called "forkstart" still running, and two more processes of [lxc monitor] on the specific container..
[21:38] <holocron> Things were running okay before I rebooted, following a reboot I had to kill all my LXC processes before I could basic functionality back.
[21:50] <PCdude> hey all :)
[21:50] <PCdude> I have some questions about openstack, to prevent myself from spamming this IRC channel, I have put it in an askubuntu question
[21:51] <PCdude> http://askubuntu.com/questions/832736/openstack-with-autopilot-some-networking-clear-up
[21:51] <PCdude> I hope the questions make sense and imo this could very help other people too
[21:51] <PCdude> (some upvotes would help too ;) )
[21:53] <sarnold> PCdude: oy that's a huge series of questions :)
[21:55] <PCdude> sarnold: haha sorry, I even picked out the important ones, I could add more if u like? haha
[21:55] <sarnold> :)
[21:57] <PCdude> sarnold: I did some serious digging around, before posting those questions. Therefore maybe the answers could be added to the documentation for others
[22:05] <RoyK> PCdude: I beleive there's an #openstack channel - might be more appropriate
[22:06] <PCdude> RoyK: some questions are specific to ubuntu,therefore I went here
[22:08] <sarnold> PCdude: I can guess that the two nics are required for the maas layer vs the openstack layer
[22:08] <sarnold> PCdude: and I suspect the two hard drives is just to have raid on the things, but maybe one of them -is- devoted to the clients or something. seems strange.
[22:09] <PCdude> sarnold: yeah, I thought the same thing too about the RAID setup at first, but after installing it seems in MAAS that no RAID is applied.
[22:10] <sarnold> there's also a #maas, they may be able to answer the more ubuntu-specific portions of your questions
[22:10] <PCdude> It would be strange for the MAAS layer and the openstack layer to be seperated, why not all the machines? They all are controlled by MAAS
[22:11] <holocron> PCdude: the canonical team took some liberty with how openstack is installed and configured
[22:11] <holocron> PCdude: the 2nd disk is for a ceph cluster used by cinder
[22:11] <holocron> PCdude: the 2nd nic is for neutron to segregate data and mgmt traffic (I think)
[22:17] <PCdude> holocron: ah ok, the 2nd disk kind of makes sense, but what will happen if I add 15 disks will it only add the second disk? Can I add it manually?
[22:17] <bekks> Is there some issue known with the 14.04.5 server ISO, for not being able to autoconfigure (dhcp) a network interface?
[22:17] <bekks> This has been working for a lot of machine deployed with the 14.04 iso, and without any network change the .5 iso isnt able to detect a dhcp config.
[22:17] <bekks> Where can I get a stock 14.04 server iso?
[22:18] <PCdude> holocron: the 2nd NIC for data and mgmt seperation looks weird to me, simply coz there are more then 2 networks that are used by openstack, what about the others?
[22:18] <holocron> PCdude: sorry, I don't know.. out of the box it won't do anything I think
[22:18] <holocron> PCdude: you're going to have to ask someone else more knowledgeable.. i've only just started looking at this myself.
[22:20] <tarpman> bekks: releases.ubuntu.com seems to still host 14.04.4 images. for older that that, http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/trusty/
[22:20] <sarnold> I suspect "N computers with five NICs" would be a non-starter for most places even if it would make sense to have maas vs block layer vs openstack management vs application ...
[22:20] <bekks> tarpman: 14.04.4 has the same issues for me, I'll try an older release, thank you
[22:20] <tomreyn> bekks: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/
[22:21] <sarnold> tarpman: ah, crazy, I wondered where the 14.04 LTS releases were stored, funny that they're not on cdimages..
[22:21] <PCdude> holocron: will do
[22:21] <holocron> Most of the networks are segregated via VLAN, openvswitch, linux bridges, etc etc etc depending on what layer of the stack you're at
[22:22] <PCdude> sarnold: good point, of course. I think I would like some more freedom here and there, but the whole thing is pretty complicated to do it all urself
[22:22] <tomreyn> older point releases: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[22:22] <tomreyn> oh, i'm late
[22:22] <bekks> tomreyn: thx, downloading a 14.04 now.
[22:23] <holocron> PCdude: amen -- do you know if autopilot uses juju openstack-base charm? I have a suspicion that it does
[22:23] <holocron> openstack-base charm bundle*?
[22:26] <PCdude> holocron: yeah, I am 95% sure that it does. I am still in the learning process of JUJU, maybe I can tweak the standard openstack version in JUJU and edit it to how I like it
[22:27] <holocron> PCdude: that's what I was thinking. I know that the various charms that make up that bundle have lots of configuration options exposed, but you cannot edit the openstack config files directly as they will get changed back (ala chef)
[22:28] <sarnold> PCdude: if I've understood the autopilot thing correctly, you should be able to change some of the chargm settings from e.g. https://jujucharms.com/nova-compute/xenial/3 and be able to configure things more as you wish
[22:28] <sarnold> PCdude: but the autopilot tool itself may make some assumptions about configurations that are available in the charms
[22:33] <PCdude> holocron: sarnold good point about JUJU, maybe its even better keep it in JUJU and leave autopilot out of it
[22:49] <holocron> PCdude: I'm actually running juju with MAAS but all my MAAS machines are KVM VMs ^^ It's not super performant but I get to see how some of it's plumbed out
[22:49] <holocron> PCdude: i put that project on the back burner and just started messing around with the pure LXD openstack bundle
[22:50] <PCdude> holocron: I have it running in some VM's in ESXI right now, not very performing too. I really wanna put it on real hardware, but mostly the cost of it all holds me back
[22:52] <holocron> LXC on bare metal is <supposed to be> performant
[22:53] <holocron> PCDude: i had a 16G machine with it running, but it was swapping heavily.. i'm working on another install with 32G
[22:53] <Ussat> Honestly we avoid bare metal here as much as possible. Unless you need special hardware, VM is the way to go
[22:53] <RoyK> Ussat++
[22:54] <holocron> Ussat: >< I'm on s390x and will have more special hardware
[22:54] <Ussat> With VMware I get redundancy, backups, HA...
[22:54] <Ussat> everything I have is HA'd between two datacenters..................
[22:54] <holocron> congrats?
[22:55] <RoyK> holocron: that's nice - what are the specs of such a machine?
[22:55] <PCdude> holocron: I tried deploying on a machine with 8gb, did not work out very well haha
[22:55] <PCdude> I have now a machine with 24gb and it all works pretty ok-ish
[22:56] <PCdude> not good, but workable
[22:56] <RoyK> PCdude: monitor it with something useful, like munin or zabbix, to see where the bottleneck is
[22:56] <RoyK> PCdude: better monitor the hosts too
[22:56] <holocron> RoyK hmm, perhaps you've seen it..  http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/linuxone/enterprise-linux-systems/emperor-product-details.html
[22:56] <sarnold> what's the point of openstack overhead when you've got one machine though? wouldn't libvirt get you 60-70% of the way there and be less overhead?
[22:57] <RoyK> holocron: which model?
[22:57] <holocron> sarnold: libvirt gets me 100% of the way there, it's the interop that's missing
[22:57] <holocron> RoyK hmm, i'm not sure, we've got 3 on the floor and they get swapped often
[22:57] <PCdude> RoyK: well, I have a mid range CPU with 4 cores. That is seriously to little for this
[22:57] <RoyK> I like the thing about current POWER CPUs allow for sub-allocation of CPU cores
[22:58] <Ussat> nice systems holocron
[22:58] <PCdude> RoyK: I have done some monitoring, I was mainly focusing on getting openstack more in the way I want it. The tweaking part
[22:59] <Ussat> RoyK, we have about 20 LPARS of RHEL on P8 at the moment, about 100 other VM;s on VMware
[22:59] <Ussat> POWER riocks
[22:59] <Ussat> We are mostly AIX on POWER except for those RHEL systems
[23:01] <holocron> Ussat: thanks, yeah s390x is always a bit strange, but it's fun
[23:02] <holocron> Plus, i can be a middling linux admin and look like a hero because 90% of mainframers know diddly about linux ;)
[23:02] <sarnold> :)
[23:02] <RoyK> Ussat: ok, how much does that hardware cost?
[23:03] <RoyK> Ussat: and btw, what sort of storage?
[23:04] <Ussat> Well, I am not involved in that aspect, but we have 4 870's.  We are a hospital so....
[23:07] <RoyK> some of it is rather old (3+ years) and I guess a pricetag of around USD 300k for the lot (or a bit more)
[23:07] <RoyK> perhaps 400
[23:12] <RoyK> I guess that s390x costs a wee bit more :D
[23:12] <Ussat> heh
[23:15] <holocron> s390x is definitely only for certain use cases...
[23:15] <holocron> you know, Walmart-scale
[23:16] <holocron> just fyi though, if you wanted to play around on one, you can check out the linuxone community cloud
[23:31] <trippeh> had tons of POWER at $oldjob
[23:32] <trippeh> I was always underwhelmed, but it was very robust at least.
[23:33] <holocron> power + nvidia looks like a nifty solution... i always figured power was fit for scientific computing and couldn't really understand why anybody'd run business on it
[23:34] <trippeh> single thread perf and latency wasnt very good, but overall throughput was not too shabby.
[23:35] <trippeh> not great, but
[23:35] <holocron> now, i/o and single thread performance is where s390x beats all hands down
[23:35] <trippeh> this was a few gens ago anyhow.
[23:37] <trippeh> we had some s390(x?), but I never really touched it other than some light integration work.
[23:37] <trippeh> so no idea
[23:38] <sarnold> trippeh: how's it compare to your home rigs? :)
[23:39] <trippeh> POWER, s390x, Itaniums, SPARCs, MIPS (SGI), we had most things that could run "UNIX"
[23:39] <trippeh> ;)
[23:41] <trippeh> sarnold: spinning rust SAN sure didnt help
[23:41] <sarnold> trippeh: heh, not great for latency but depending upon how many of them you've got maybe good for throughput despite spinning... :)
[23:42] <trippeh> was always fighting with the san people for iops ;-)
[23:42] <sarnold> hah :)
[23:43] <trippeh> home rig totally crushes them, I'm sure, but age difference helps
[23:43] <sarnold> :)
[23:43] <trippeh> most of them got canned after the Big Merger(tm)
[23:43] <trippeh> non-windows systems that is ;)
[23:46] <trippeh> man, so much $$$ saved just not having to fight the SAN people for iops with modern SSD SANs ;)
[23:48] <sarnold> hah
[23:48] <sarnold> and here I'm slightly dissapointed that my pcie nvme card can only do ~4k iops for my use rather than the 400k iops that I was expecting
[23:49] <trippeh> hah, yeah, current nvme likes parallelism
[23:50] <sarnold> I thought that something like ag --workers 300 or something would be able to generate enough parallelism in the filesystem to actually -use- all those iops. no such luck :(
[23:50] <trippeh> fio had no problems for me :-)
[23:50] <sarnold> if your workload matches fio, well.. .:)
[23:51] <sarnold> but ag -is- the workload I wanted to scream, haha
[23:51] <trippeh> heheh
[23:51] <RoyK> sarnold: wha block sizes did you test it with?
[23:52] <RoyK> s/wha/what/
[23:52] <sarnold> RoyK: I'm using it as an l2arc for zfs; afaik there's no way to set an explicit block size for l2arc devices, only for vdevs
[23:53] <trippeh> so it is a caching drive?
[23:53] <RoyK> sarnold: guess it just uses the block size from the pool
[23:54] <sarnold> trippeh: yeah
[23:54] <RoyK> sarnold: did you do a zdb check on how large the records were?
[23:54] <sarnold> RoyK: I -assume- that the blocks are whatever sizes the data elements are when they're read..
[23:55] <RoyK> sarnold: possibly - I don't know the code


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[00:19] <holman> minimal: just saw this sorry
[00:19] <holman> Ill look at it tomorrow
[00:31] <minimal> thanks
[02:20] <holman> Welcome back meena o/
[02:20] <holman> deostroll: version, distro?
[16:55] <deostroll> i followed this approach for cloud-init -> https://superuser.com/questions/827977/use-cloud-init-with-virtualbox/853957#853957
[16:57] <deostroll> i don't get the significance of meta-data file. Hoping someone can explain 🙏
[17:00] <minimal> deostroll: "i don't get the significance of meta-data file" - the significance is it is required. cloud-init uses the instance-id to determine whether a particular boot is a "new" boot and so needs (re)configuration or a reboot of an existing VM
[17:04] <deostroll> So in my current vm instance I have attached a disk meant for cloud-init. So the meta-data file guarantees that cloud-init doesn't redo itself the next time I power up my vm instance. Is this the correct understanding?
[17:06] <minimal> yes
[17:14] <deostroll> Reg link shared above, I had to figure that we need special cloud distro images (vmdk). Is the setup experience different when start off with the distro's live-server iso files?
[17:16] <deostroll> So the above question rephrased is: can I perform a cloud-init part of an iso os install?
[17:39] <minimal> deostroll: cloud-init is designed to be used when an OS disk image is booted, not during an install. However, having said that, distro can decide to use cloud-init as a basis for an OS installer - specifically Ubuntu Server uses cloud-init via Subquity for installation
[17:40] <dbungert> https://canonical-subiquity.readthedocs-hosted.com/en/latest/ has more details on that last part


[02:18] <CimmerianX> hello all
[02:19] <CimmerianX> Can anyone tell me if the nexus 4 has any issues being detected on a phablet-flash -b ?
[02:20] <CimmerianX> mine shows as a 'unsupported device, autodetect dails device'
[02:21] <RobbyF> should work
[02:21] <RobbyF> I believe there is just the one model world wide
[02:22] <CimmerianX> yep - Model Nexus 4  Ver 4.2.2
[02:22] <CimmerianX> this one seems to be running  AOKP
[02:23] <RobbyF> shouldn't matter.
[02:23] <RobbyF> you can just flash via recovery
[02:24] <boydoy> hi! there i way i can change the OS of my android phone into Ubuntu Mobile?
[02:24] <CimmerianX> do you mean a manual install from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[02:25] <RobbyF> yup
[02:25] <RobbyF> just download, adb push to /sdcard/autodeploy.zip
[02:25] <RobbyF> I just did it as we speak :)
[02:25] <CimmerianX> ack.   it's being pushed to /sdcard/ now.
[02:25] <RobbyF> should work :)
[02:25] <RobbyF> boydoy, which android?
[02:26] <boydoy> im using o+ 8.52
[02:26] <boydoy> its that ok to change
[02:26] <RobbyF> no idea what that is, but check this ported list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[02:26] <boydoy> and ubuntu they have also like google play
[02:27] <boydoy> i can download a free games
[02:27] <RobbyF> boydoy, not yet, the os is still in developer preview mode
[02:27] <RobbyF> about half a year from regular user interaction.
[02:27] <boydoy> ahh ok.. but if ever i try they have a way i can back to original OS?
[02:28] <RobbyF> I don't see why not
[02:28] <RobbyF> :)
[02:35] <CimmerianX> wow - how large is the armhf?
[02:35] <CimmerianX> still pushing.
[02:37] <RobbyF> takes me like 3-4 minutes
[02:37] <RobbyF> I did raring which is 523M
[02:43] <CimmerianX> still pushing.
[03:18] <CimmerianX> Robby - still here?
[03:19] <CimmerianX> I did the armhf push to /sdcard/autodeploy.zip and did the reboot recovery....   as per the wiki.
[03:20] <CimmerianX> I'm in the recovery project menu.  If I reboot, I go back to the AOKP android OS.    Is there a step I'm missing?
[03:20] <CimmerianX> oh duh/....
[03:26] <CimmerianX> that did it - It's loaded.
[03:27] <CimmerianX> that;s a big flash...
[03:27] <CimmerianX> hmmm....   i have the wallpaper - but phone is unresponsive....
[03:28] <mhall119> CimmerianX: swipe from the left or right edge in to the center
[03:29] <CimmerianX> oic
[03:29] <CimmerianX> ALL the way to the center
[03:31] <mhall119> well, no, but "to the center" it easier that "a little way in from the left for the launcher, follow through for the Apps lens, swipe from the right a little to peak at the next window, follow through to switch to it"
[05:15] <DrCode> hi all
[05:15] <DrCode> dose ubuntu-tuch have support for samsung s3?
[05:48] <dijzon> hi ppl
[05:48] <dijzon> i have a droid razer m ,and i been working on getting full ubuntu installed on it but i need some help
[05:50] <DrCode> dose ubuntu touch support in samsung s3?
[05:50] <dijzon> so is there anyone that can help
[05:50] <dijzon> yes it dose
[05:50] <dijzon> just need to get the driver stacks for ur hardware
[05:50] <dijzon> stacks cdma gsm wifi cpu gpu and etc
[05:53] <dijzon> drcode what arm do u have
[05:53] <dijzon> v6-v7?
[05:59] <dijzon> so the droid razer m running ubuntu ,but i wanna get the full ubuntu on my test phone
[06:17] <Mirv> lool: hate to ask, but I don't find a trace of the new ubuntu-ui-toolkit upload, in queues or elsewhere in LP
[06:30] <didrocks> Mirv: it's in the unapproved queue
[06:30] <didrocks> Mirv: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[06:31] <didrocks> Mirv: you probably need to talk on #ubuntu-release to get it in
[06:31] <Mirv> didrocks: oh, funny, I thought I checked that but apparently I was in a different section
[06:32] <didrocks> Mirv: maybe you check NEW?
[06:32] <Mirv> probably..
[06:38] <Mirv> didrocks: that getting raring is btw the only remaining part I know of required to have the different aspects of the documentation being wrong fixed
[06:38] <Mirv> in both web and archives
[06:38] <didrocks> Mirv: oh, even the tutorial? excellent!
[06:39] <Mirv> didrocks: I'm not sure if dpm has updated everything yet, but at least from my point of view the package/trunk is fixed and the other things are on the move by michael and david
[06:39] <didrocks> ok
[06:39] <didrocks> great ;)
[06:40] <dpm> didrocks, Mirv, on it, sorry for the delay. The documentation is up to date, the tutorial I'm working on
[06:41] <Mirv> dpm: great! the important thing IMHO was identifying what things needed to be fixed and where.
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <mpt> mhall119, lol
[08:15] <nik90> fginther: is there a way to know if the jenkins autolanding system is back online?
[08:20] <sil2100> didrocks: so, a follow-up to the topic of integration tests for qtubuntu-camera, as I had a quick chat with gusch
[08:21] <sil2100> didrocks: right now there are no real plans for introducing explicit integration tests for that package, but what we could theoretically do is to install and execute camera-app integration tests for qtubuntu-camera
[08:21] <sil2100> As those are practically doing the integration testing
[08:21] <didrocks> sil2100: so similar to what we've done for indicators up to now?
[08:23] <didrocks> sil2100: they are both on the same stack already, so integration tests will be run and everything will be in or rejected :)
[08:25] <didrocks> sil2100: gallery-app FTBFS in the daily-build-next ppa, so not integration tests will be run, mind having a look?
[08:36] <sil2100> ACK
[08:39] <oSoMoN> tmoenicke: hey Thomas, would you mind reviewing/testing https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/addressbar-behind-osk/+merge/159382 ?
[08:40] <tmoenicke> oSoMoN: checking
[08:40] <oSoMoN> thx
[08:42] <tmoenicke> oSoMoN: great thx
[08:42] <tmoenicke> oSoMoN: is it invisible?
[08:43] <oSoMoN> tmoenicke: I was hoping you could test on your device(s), but yes, in theory the address bar is not visible below the osk anymore
[08:43] <tmoenicke> oSoMoN: i will test it
[08:44] <tmoenicke> thx
[08:48] <sil2100> didrocks: hm, it seems that python -c "from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print get_python_lib()" returns none in the PPA during the gallery-app build?
[08:49] <sil2100> didrocks: python should be already on the chroot, right?
[08:49] <sil2100> Maybe we need a dep
[08:50] <didrocks> sil2100: no, it's not part of the chroot
[08:50] <didrocks> contrarly to CI that adds some deps for nothing unfortunately :/
[08:51] <sil2100> So ok, I think the dep needs to be added ;p
[08:51] <didrocks> sil2100: yep, nice catch! :)
[08:51] <didrocks> sil2100: btw, how did you spot it from the logs? /me curious
[08:52] <sil2100> didrocks: I checked that it said no DESTINATION is given, while the DESTINATION is ${PYTHON_PACKAGE_DIR} in this case, which is fetch through execute_process and the python command in the CMakeLists.txt file
[08:53] <didrocks> sil2100: interesting, nice work :)
[08:55] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/gallery-app/build_dep_on_python/+merge/159570
[08:55] <sil2100> brb in a moment
[09:52] <didrocks> sil2100: I'm rerunning gallery-app and the app stack build
[10:10] <DrCode> hi all
[10:10] <DrCode> any support for samsung galaxy s3 or only nexus?
[10:11] <nik90> !devices | DrCide
[10:11] <nik90> DrCode: check the link to see if your device is supported
[10:11] <DrCode> I realylike to test ubuntu-tuch
[10:12] <DrCode> dose ubuntu0tuch come with all pkgs in ubuntu
[10:12] <nik90> DrCode: The S3 international is not supported...but there are version for verizon I think
[10:12] <DrCode> like aircrack-ng?
[10:12] <DrCode> I see
[10:12] <nik90> DrCode: not sure.
[10:12] <DrCode> what I love in s3 is that I can use microsd
[10:12] <DrCode> didn't found it in nexus
[10:13] <nik90> DrCode: I have a S3 international as well, but not supported yet :(
[10:13] <DrCode> when a stable release will be of ubuntu-tauch?
[10:13] <DrCode> I see
[10:13] <DrCode> I realy love this mobile
[10:13] <nik90> DrCode: the beta should be available this october hopefully...
[10:14] <DrCode> wow, nice
[10:14] <nik90> DrCode: I think they are targetting first quarter of 2014 for final release
[10:14] <DrCode> it will be very intersting
[10:14] <nik90> DrCode: You can already try out some core apps like calendar, clock, calculator, facebook etc on your computer
[10:14] <DrCode> dose thay plan to support most devices?
[10:15] <DrCode> or only spcifics?
[10:15] <nik90> Officially canonical are supporting the nexus devices, but the community or any one can port to any device you want.
[10:15] <DrCode> ok
[10:16] <popey> mardy: you about?
[10:16] <Neo> excuse
[10:17] <Guest13130> does ubuntu touch support restoring your old android ?
[10:17] <Guest13130> on HTC Desire hd or htc one x
[10:17] <Guest13130> ?
[10:30] <sil2100> didrocks: hmmm, my branch with the explicit list of packages was merged, right? Since I see that the hud stack generic job failed because of extra packages wanting to be installed
[10:31] <sil2100> Was all correctly deployed?
[10:32] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, it's in and deployed
[10:32] <didrocks> sil2100: the stacks are running with those now
[11:11] <sil2100> didrocks: in what moment is the packages list used? You once said it's being used as a comparison table - that if an extra package is installed and not in the packages list, the warning gets emitted, right?
[11:12] <didrocks> sil2100: indeed, it's when we install the machine which will run autopilot
[11:12] <sil2100> didrocks: is there an easy way to check what 'packages' were in the config during a generic build that has been fired?
[11:13] <sil2100> In the packages parameter?
[11:13] <sil2100> Since it looks as if it was ignoring all the packages we put there recently :
[11:13] <sil2100> :|
[11:13] <didrocks> sil2100: what are you looking at exactly?
[11:15] <sil2100> didrocks: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/98/label=autopilot-ati/console
[11:16] <didrocks> sil2100: yeah, I told you to discare those and looking at what we are going to run :)
[11:16] <didrocks> sil2100: so run 102 for instance
[11:16] <didrocks> I redeployed this morning
[11:16] <sil2100> Ah, so there's no up-to-date results right now ;p?
[11:17] <sil2100> I think I misunderstood and thought that since you re-deployed in the morning, those should he the 'latest'
[11:17] <sil2100> Ok, so I go back to my HUD-hunting then
[11:21] <didrocks> sil2100: not yet :)
[11:21] <didrocks> sil2100: yep ;)
[11:25] <sil2100> hmm
[11:25]  * sil2100 wonders how we got that test passing for armhf in HUD in the past
[11:29] <didrocks> sil2100: was it passing when we were building with the platform api?
[11:34] <sil2100> didrocks: not sure now, maybe you're right and it never did - need to poke the platform-api people, since I think I know what's wrong but need to check with them on if I'm right
[11:34] <didrocks> ok :)
[12:00] <sil2100> ricmm: ping
[12:16] <ogra_> rsalveti, i managed to drop another 700M (unpacked) from the tarball
[12:29] <Taiten987> trying to build /ubuntu in another AOSP here, but keep receiving failure
[12:29] <Taiten987> checked files under /build but I can't really find what did I missed
[12:31] <Taiten987> here is the log http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5718645/, please advice if you have any idea :(
[12:35] <ogra_> janimo, lol ... see above ... i removed most of the superfluous toolchains  in my testing
[12:35] <ogra_> funny that we always sectretly look at the same stuff without the other knowing
[12:40] <pmcgowan> hey Taiten987 how are you
[12:40] <Taiten987> pmcgowan, working on the patches :)
[12:40] <Taiten987> pmcgowan, a bit stuck here
[12:41] <pmcgowan> if rsalveti is around he may be able to help
[12:41] <Taiten987> pmcgowan, I just figured out it was surfaceflinger API changes
[12:41] <Taiten987> pmcgowan, yes, I had pinged him
[12:41] <Taiten987> pmcgowan, hopefully he can see it
[12:41] <pmcgowan> Taiten987: can you use the same version of AOSP? did you see my email?
[12:42] <Taiten987> pmcgowan, yes I do
[12:46] <janimo> ogra_, heh :)
[12:47] <ogra_> i just answered your mail
[12:47] <janimo> not usre where' above to look, will check the email
[12:47] <ogra_> we want to actually start building the android stuff on the package builders
[12:48] <ogra_> to do that the source tree needs quite some cleanup though ... so you dont have to upload a 1.4G tarball for every change
[12:48] <janimo> ogra_, the problem with removing some of all prebuilts is that some  kernels only build with a specific one
[12:48] <ogra_> http://phablet.ubuntu.com/export/
[12:48] <janimo> so mako kernel did not build for me with raring gcc a while ago
[12:48] <janimo> ogra_, also I tried building for a huawei device and that to only built with an inlcuded 4.6
[12:48] <ogra_> well, rsalveti added a patch to actually use the packaged binary instaed
[12:48] <ogra_> so you dont need to build the kernel at all
[12:49] <janimo> if we expect people to contribute ubuntu touch ports they may have an additional hurdle if they need to find a toolchain
[12:49] <ogra_> for porters we will have to keep the full tree around
[12:49] <janimo> although not sure how we could move stuff to cdimage and support many crazy toolchains
[12:49] <ogra_> but for building for something supported we want a cut down set
[12:49] <janimo> so I hope we can make all work with stock gcc
[12:49] <pmcgowan> janimo: thats a valid concner
[12:49] <pmcgowan> concern
[12:50] <ogra_> well, you need to shuffle a lot ... gcc, and gcc-cross need to work
[12:50] <janimo> ogra_, well we only have packaged kernels  for nexus 7
[12:50] <ogra_> but since yesterdays desaster with image builds we decided we want a very small tree and use the package builders for rolling images
[12:50] <janimo> a lot of the rest of devices are either 3rd patry hacked up OEM kernels or too new SoCs we do not package yet
[12:50] <janimo> hopefully multiARM kernels will come to the rescue soooooon
[12:51] <sil2100> didrocks: the phone-app with the changes made works like a charm on my desktop
[12:51]  * ogra_ tried to implement image building on the livefs builder ... that resulted in the machine to die for a full day
[12:51] <sil2100> didrocks: there's one merge that needs to go in though
[12:51] <didrocks> sil2100: \o/ excellent news ;)
[12:51] <didrocks> sil2100: ah?
[12:51] <ogra_> luvefs builders arent designed for cross compiling :P
[12:51] <ogra_> *livefs
[12:52] <ogra_> janimo, we also plan to package the android bionic toolchain for cross building
[12:52] <ogra_> thats a long term plan though
[12:52] <ogra_> in the short term using the packaged toolchains (or packaging linaros android cross chain) is the plan
[12:53] <sil2100> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/phone-app/hud1/+merge/158201 <- waiting for CI to finish the re-build
[12:55] <didrocks> sil2100: mediumtests failed
[12:55] <Oranger> mhall119: Hey ! My branch seam to be clean now. I want to work on the package but can't do it still your branch "package-fixes" isn't merged
[12:55] <Oranger> *seem
[12:57] <sil2100> eeek, all of them!
[12:57] <sil2100> hmmm
[12:57] <sil2100> Strange, since HUD 1.0 is in the daily PPA already
[12:58] <ogra_> use the large tests then, not the mediumtests :P
[12:58] <sil2100> didrocks: what PPA is CI using when running the autopilot tests, do you know by any chance?
[12:59] <didrocks> sil2100: I think they start using your daily-build-next ppa, but better to check with fghinter
[12:59] <didrocks> ogra_: tsss :p
[13:00] <Guest87519> I would like to know if it is possible to contribute as a tester, I mean not only for bugs but also to describe things that can be improve (for example, I suggest to blcok the switch between apps from the top and the bottom corner of the right part of the screen)
[13:16] <sil2100> ;)
[13:22] <fginther> nik90, the best way to know if jenkins is back online is to check the url: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/
[13:23] <fginther> nik90, The server is online at the moment (Hooray!) but it's a little more work to setup the jobs for each project.
[13:30] <sil2100> \o/
[13:39] <awe_> lool, I don't see anyone from the indicator/settings team?
[13:41] <mzanetti> cyphermox: ping
[13:43] <Oranger> mhall119: ping
[13:45] <cyphermox> mzanetti: pong
[13:45] <mzanetti> cyphermox: hi
[13:45] <mzanetti> cyphermox: regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/autopilot-qt/add-tests/+merge/153695
[13:45] <mzanetti> cyphermox: I guess its now or never
[13:46] <cyphermox> rock on!
[13:46] <mhall119> Oranger: pong
[13:47] <mzanetti> cyphermox: its still on Needs Fixing from you
[13:47] <Oranger> mhall119: 1 point
[13:47] <mzanetti> you mind approving?
[13:47] <Oranger> mhall119: Hum sorry ^^
[13:47] <Oranger> mhall119: Hum so I did what you ask me yesterday, the directory is clean
[13:47] <mhall119> Oranger: checking it out now, thanks
[13:47] <Oranger> mhall119: And I want to finish the package but actually I can't until your branch isn't marge
[13:47] <Oranger> *merge
[13:48] <cyphermox> mzanetti: done.
[13:48] <mzanetti> cyphermox: thanks a bunch
[13:49] <cyphermox> note that this won't land in raring as-is; you'd need to file it against lp:autopilot-qt/0.8
[13:49] <cyphermox> that said, does it need to be in raring?
[13:49] <cyphermox> actually, ignore me
[13:49] <mzanetti> cyphermox: no... just need to get it merged because other work that requires adding more tests is pending
[13:49] <cyphermox> you got the FFE ack anyway, so might as well if we have the chance
[13:50] <cyphermox> once that gets merged I'll re-run the qa stack
[13:50] <cyphermox> could you file it against the 0.8 branch too?
[13:51] <mhall119> Oranger: can you review my package-fixes branch?
[13:51] <Oranger> mhall119: Yes I do it now
[13:51] <mhall119> thanks
[13:54] <mzanetti> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/autopilot-qt/add-tests/+merge/159636
[13:55] <mhall119> Oranger: your branch is approved
[13:55] <Oranger> mhall119: Thanks
[13:55] <mhall119> fginther: so is jenkins back on the job, or still recovering?
[13:58] <fginther> mhall119, It looks to be alive. I'm checking to make sure the build tools are in place before I deploy the jobs
[13:59] <mhall119> thanks fginther
[14:00] <rsalveti> sergiusens: you noticed already but I pushed your stuff yesterday
[14:01] <rsalveti> and sent the kernel one after doing the 4 builds and also producing a test grouper one based on the ubuntu package as well
[14:01] <Oranger> mhall119: I approved
[14:03] <mhall119> thanks Oranger
[14:08] <fginther> mhall119, I've pinged martin about the jenkins server. There is still a little more work to do that I can't complete.
[14:08] <dpm> fginther, thanks for bringing Jenkins back to life. While you're at it, and if there isn't one already, would it be possible to add a job to run the autopilot tests in the core apps branches?
[14:10] <fginther> dpm, the test infrastructure is currently insufficient to do this, but I'll discuss this with my team to see if we can get it on the roadmap
[14:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yes, I am reviewing now... and I did check as I mentioned it in the gcc email thread :-)
[14:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I can only test build the mako and grouper, those are the two devices I don't have ;-)
[14:10]  * sergiusens just noticed he was marked away
[14:11] <rsalveti> sergiusens: that's fine, we can request someone else to test mako if needed
[14:11] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I will review, I trust you did the testing I will review
[14:11] <sergiusens> rsalveti: who has a mako? I can build and send
[14:11] <sergiusens> oh plars  :-)
[14:12]  * sergiusens thinks he might be abusing plars' devices
[14:12] <plars> yesss? :)
[14:12] <dpm> thanks a lot fginther. Just asking to have some more context: why is the test infrastructure currently insufficient?  Is e.g. the number of jobs that the jenkins instance limited and we've reached the limit? Or is it related to autopilot not playing well with jenkins... ?
[14:13] <dpm> sorry, I meant "that the jenkins instance can run"
[14:14] <sergiusens> plars: give me a couple and I'll create a mako image... still reviewing the code ;-)
[14:14] <plars> sergiusens: sounds good
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: FYI, sil2100 did some progress on touch today, and we are almost being able to build and test everything. Do you mind checking with him if you have time for finishing up the autopilot things?
[14:16] <mterry> sil2100, talk to me!  :)
[14:16] <fginther> dpm, the main reason is that autopilot tests can't run inside a pbuilder, they need a real desktop environment. The likely solution is to do this in a dedicated VM, which isn't too difficult, but there may be some resource constraints that I'm not aware of.
[14:17] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I take that in 2 weeks time that raring in the BoardConfig will change to slug?
[14:17] <sil2100> !
[14:18] <benkaiser> anyone got an ETA for GSM in Ubuntu Touch (e.g. data)
[14:18] <sil2100> mterry, didrocks: so... I had a talk with fginther, and soon we should be able to get both the phone-app HUD version bump and qtvideo-node arches merges in, those are required for us to carry on
[14:18] <dpm> thanks fginther, understood
[14:18] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah
[14:18] <sil2100> I'm trying to figure out now with the help of rsalveti on how to deal with the armhf test failure on HUD, as it's a problem with android-specific bits
[14:20] <mterry> sil2100, yay
[14:20] <benkaiser> anyone? gsm ETA?
[14:43] <ogra_> sergiusens, so i looked into removing the oggs and mp4's, seems there are a bunch of changes needed for the build system to get rid of them (and i'm also not sure if we use something like i.e. the camera sound from teh android side when taking pics)
[14:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: that's already done
[14:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: update and see
[14:43] <ogra_> oh
[14:43] <ogra_> well, i'm playing with the tarball here :)
[14:44] <ogra_> but havent pulled todays yet
[14:44] <sergiusens> ogra_: or just look at http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_base.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/phablet-10.1
[14:44]  * ogra_ hugs sergiusens
[14:44] <sergiusens> ogra_: also made the changes to the makefiles as necessary in vendor/cm
[14:44] <ogra_> yay
[14:45] <ogra_> so now the toolchains and kernels and we should have a sweet 500M tarball :)
[14:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: after getting this kernel review in, I'll be looking into making it smaller
[14:45] <ogra_> or even less
[14:45] <sergiusens> yes
[14:45] <ogra_> yeah, sadly the gcc-cross one doesnt work
[14:45] <ogra_> not sure if slangasek got it solved
[14:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: this would of been done sooner if we ever had this git repo in place for more than 2 months :-)
[14:46] <ogra_> no hurry
[14:46] <MalMen> anyone can tellme if that tablet support touch http://www.efox.com.pt/envios-da-europa-vido-n101-ii-android-4-1-rk3066-dual-core-10-1-1280-x-800-ips-32gb-3g-wifimara-dupla-tablet-pc-p-300356 ?
[14:46] <MalMen> thank you
[14:46] <ogra_> after all i'm happy  that i can skip raring :)
[14:46] <ogra_> and concentrate fully on S
[14:46] <ogra_> (for the image builds)
[14:47] <wilee-nilee> MalMen, your link has a bad wot popup
[14:47] <WebVisitor-3> Hello! Sorry  for the interruption. I bought a Vaio T13 touchscreen ultrabook hoping that Windows 8 is a usable os. This isn't so, I found Windows 8 very user unfriendly and slow OS. So I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on my ultrabook. The problem is that the multitouch is not supported. I mean I cant click, drag with the touchscreen. I read that I need to install some kind of touchscreen driver. Could you please explain where do
[14:48] <MalMen> wilee-nilee what specs i can give you to know if is compatible ?
[14:48] <wilee-nilee> MalMen, none I'm just on the channel.
[14:51] <rsalveti> ogra_: the reduced toolchain and pre-built set should happen later today as well
[14:52] <rsalveti> ogra_: today's tarball is also xz
[14:52] <rsalveti> with -6e
[14:52] <ogra_> rsalveti, yup seen :)
[14:52] <rsalveti> takes quite a while to generate it hehe :-)
[14:52] <ogra_> only 1.4G
[14:52] <rsalveti> yeah, step by step
[14:52] <ogra_> yeah
[14:52] <ogra_> 500M or so in the end would be good
[14:54] <ogra_> rsalveti, did you talk to slangasek ? i didnt see him comment anything after the linker error
[14:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: nop, and as I said, I'm not convinced we should remove all pre-built toolchains at this point yet
[14:54] <rsalveti> so I'll just remove the stuff we're not using at least
[14:55] <ogra_> rsalveti, if we can se should ... from the tarball ... i would say lets keep the git tree completely untouched
[14:55] <ogra_> s/se/we/
[14:55] <sergiusens> rsalveti: any reason why cm.dependencies for mako still lists the kernel?
[14:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: the kernel source is needed still for the headers
[14:56] <ogra_> the tarball will be used for autobuilds and we only need the bits for building the supported sets ...
[14:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: it's used by some hardware/qcom components
[14:56] <ogra_> the git tree should have as much as possible for porters
[14:56] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, we can create a separated tarball with the toolchain once we get a working toolchain from the archive
[14:56] <sergiusens> rsalveti: let's keep it for now and figure out how to get just the headers in
[14:56] <ogra_> rsalveti, thats what i mean ;)
[14:57] <sergiusens> iirc aosp doesn't install the kernel headers by default
[14:57] <rsalveti> sergiusens: hm, iirc this qcom component is the same from aosp
[14:57] <rsalveti> might be something cm specific though
[14:57] <ogra_> we have a headers package as well :)
[14:57] <rsalveti> but yeah, to be investigated
[14:57] <rsalveti> sure
[14:57] <sergiusens> rsalveti: and we do have external/kernel_headers as well
[14:57] <rsalveti> but I believe these headers are mako specific
[14:58] <rsalveti> we might try to reuse the headers available from the kernel package as well
[14:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti: typo in the previous comment, aosp doesn't install kernel sources by default
[14:58] <rsalveti> will see if I can get something to work based on that later today
[14:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I won't block the patch in any case, just wondering what the result was of the conversation from yesterday :-)
[14:59] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, yeah, this will follow, just wanted to get something that works first
[15:00] <rsalveti> ogra_: problem is that if it's indeed mako specific, it might not be available at the headers package
[15:00] <rsalveti> had similar issues with panda in the past
[15:00] <rsalveti> that's why I decided to investigate this later :-)
[15:00] <ogra_> ah
[15:00] <ogra_> well, no hurry :)
[15:01] <ogra_> (you two seem to do everything *right now* .... we're not on a race :)
[15:20] <crix> hello?
[15:24] <sergiusens> gusch: saw your updates to the bug... I recall the issue and a workaround jhodapp made to get it going (I'm pretty sure it was him). But yeah, the crash has been there for some time.... :-/
[15:25] <sergiusens> rsalveti: code looks good, building now (had to wait for meeting to end)
[15:25] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sure
[15:26] <gusch> sergiusens: the crash is there since the beginning, but the side effect of the flipped preview occured somewhen after the MWC demo image
[15:27] <sergiusens> gusch: yup, which brings up the question if we should focus on the crash instead
[15:29] <gusch> sergiusens: that's what I do now ;)
[15:29] <slangasek> ogra_: I got past the linker error (just needed to add -fuse-ld=gold in the right place), then ran into problems because of libgcc references - which is kind of what I was expecting to find.  We need to build an -> armel cross-compiler to target android specifically
[15:29] <slangasek> ogra_, rsalveti
[15:29] <ogra_> yeah
[15:29] <slangasek> ogra_, rsalveti: and at least for upload to the archive, we would need to solve the use of prebuilt compilers... as distributing those without source is a GPL violation
[15:30] <rsalveti> right
[15:30] <ogra_> i doubt we need to build it ... since linaro has one :)
[15:30] <slangasek> yes we do.
[15:30] <ogra_> ah, we cant use the linaro one ?
[15:30] <rsalveti> we can probably use if we grab the sources used to built it
[15:30] <rsalveti> *build
[15:30] <ogra_> right
[15:31] <rsalveti> but yeah, at the archive it'd be better to use our own toolchain
[15:42] <slangasek> rsalveti: given that we are already building cross-toolchains in the archive for other targets, and we track the Linaro patches for the arm builds, we should build the android toolchain the same way rather than introducing a parallel toolchain source
[15:43] <jhodapp> sergiusens: yeah, I was helping gusch figure out how to use gdb on the android side
[15:43] <rsalveti> slangasek: sure, no question about that
[15:43] <rsalveti> just saying that it's doable to use the prebuilt one if really needed
[15:43] <rsalveti> just need to find the sources
[15:44] <rsalveti> slangasek: who can be allocated to do that work?
[15:44] <slangasek> well, if we're putting it in the archive we also need to *build* the toolchain, not use the prebuilt
[15:44] <slangasek> anyway
[15:45] <rsalveti> sure, it'll just force ogra_ to wait until the toolchain is in place
[15:45] <ogra_> as i said, i'm not in a hurry
[15:45] <ogra_> lets discuss it at the sprint and do proper planning
[15:46] <rsalveti> sure, we'd need to get someone to work on this
[15:46] <ogra_> we wont start raring builds based on that right now ... so it is S material
[15:46] <rsalveti> yup
[15:46] <rsalveti> but it's a high prio to be able to spin builds based o S, right?
[15:46] <ogra_> i personally would prefer if doko could do it, everyone else will need double the time
[15:46] <rsalveti> at least via cdimage
[15:46] <ogra_> but i dont know how heavily booked he is
[15:47] <ogra_> rsalveti, right, but even in S we can live with the jenkins builds in the beginning
[15:47] <ogra_> i expect the S builds to be bumpy in the beginning anyway
[15:47] <Oranger> mhall119: You don't do something in particular for core apps to merge branches than "merge + commit + push" ?
[15:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, that's why I said if we want to build them at cdimage
[15:47] <ogra_> doesnt make them less bumpy :)
[15:48] <ogra_> we'll have to keep raring building for a while in parallel if we want usable images ... important is that by S release we will not have two parallel builds anymore but can smoothly transition to T this time
[15:49] <ogra_> thats my major target ...
[15:50] <ogra_> while i want S builds as early as possible they dont need to be in place on day one imho
[15:50] <ogra_> (would be a nice to have ... but i have no illusions here)
[15:51] <sergiusens> plars: http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/cm-10.1-20130418-UNOFFICIAL-mako.zip
[15:52] <slangasek> rsalveti: I need to talk to doko yet about the cross-toolchain requirements and when we can have this done; if you have anyone on your team who can help doko identify the necessary configure arguments for gcc, that will probably let us get it done faster
[15:52] <rsalveti> plars: got a mako as well?
[15:52] <rsalveti> plars: just to know in case I need someone else to help me validating stuff
[15:53] <plars> rsalveti: I do... I just realized something on it though, it's dead again
[15:53] <rsalveti> plars: :-(
[15:53] <rsalveti> plars: does it require you to remove the battery as well?
[15:53] <plars> rsalveti: Its odd, I can leave my galaxy nexus sitting without it being plugged in for a long time and nothing happens, but it seems like the mako dies quicker
[15:53] <plars> rsalveti: not so far
[15:53] <rsalveti> slangasek: right, that's fine, linaro produces a build script which is public
[15:54] <plars> rsalveti: need to take a look at that, could be that I had wifi enabled on one and not the other
[15:54] <rsalveti> might need a android specific sysroot, need to check that
[15:54] <plars> rsalveti, sergiusens: let me charge it for 10-15 min then I'll pull down that build and try it
[15:54] <rsalveti> plars: cool, thanks
[15:55] <plars> sergiusens: just use that one with today's rootfs?
[15:55] <plars> sergiusens: what was included in this? what was it intended to fix?
[15:56] <sergiusens> plars: oh, left a sentence incomplete
[15:56] <sergiusens> plars: it's using a packaged kernel instead of the one from the android tree for mako
[15:57] <sergiusens> plars: packaged by the kernel team
[15:57] <rsalveti> aka ubuntu kernel
[15:57] <slangasek> rsalveti: can you point me to that build script? :)
[15:57] <plars> sergiusens: ah, cool
[15:57] <ogra_> slangasek, the other issue seems to be that the CM kernels seem to not get along with gcc > 4.6 ... we will need the 4.6 in the tree still for porters
[15:57] <rsalveti> slangasek: yup, looking into it
[15:57] <rsalveti> ogra_: that's fine, we can produce different tarballs
[15:57] <ogra_> (not for what we upload to the archive eventually indeed)
[15:57] <slangasek> ogra_: the kernel team is already building the kernels; we should not be building them as part of the "android" source package, porters should be getting that elsewhere
[15:58] <ogra_> slangasek, but porters do
[15:58] <ogra_> so we need that for the community in the git tree still
[15:58] <slangasek> ogra_: completely irrelevant to the source package question
[15:58] <ogra_> not in the exported tarballs
[15:58] <ogra_> just a note :)
[15:59] <sergiusens> plars: I leave wifi and 2g network on all the time on the maguro and it lasts at least 2 days (less with screen on)
[16:00] <rsalveti> slangasek: http://android.git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=toolchain/build.git;a=tree
[16:00] <sergiusens> ogra_: they can add it to their cm.dependencies and we could remove it with no issues
[16:00] <sergiusens> talking about gcc
[16:00] <ogra_> sergiusens, ohhh ... good idea !
[16:01]  * ogra_ didnt think about that
[16:01] <rsalveti> slangasek: seems everything is there
[16:01] <mhall119> Oranger: usually Jenkins will automatically merge approved merge proposals into the project's trunk branch for the Core Apps
[16:01] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah, the toolchain will still be available at phablet
[16:02] <rsalveti> and we can spin a separated tarball with them like ogra_ said
[16:02] <rsalveti> then we're all good
[16:02] <ogra_> yeah
[16:02] <Oranger> mhall119: Oh ok, Jenkins is very usefull... when he is alive :p
[16:02] <mhall119> yeah, he's been under the weather recently :)
[16:03] <Oranger> mhall119: Do you know when he will come back ?
[16:03] <rsalveti> http://android.git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=toolchain/build.git;a=blob;f=README; is also quite informative
[16:03] <mhall119> Oranger: fginther might now, he may be back now and just churning through his backlog
[16:04] <Oranger> mhall119: ok, thanks :)
[16:05] <fginther> Oranger, sorry. the server is back up and running, but there is some additional setup that needs to be done. I've pinged someone to help me. Sorry for the inconvenience.
[16:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I'm +1 regarding the latest patch from janimo
[16:07] <Oranger> fginther: No it's good ! Thanks you for working hard on it ! ;) Take all the time you need !
[16:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: let me know if you want me to apply it
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: hahaha, if I try to boot android with a custom kernel with VT and FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE support, it bootloops
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ogra_: ^^
[16:17] <shadeslayer> so fbcon is just plain broken
[16:19] <rsalveti> yeah, seems a common issue with android based kernels
[16:19]  * rsalveti bbl
[16:20] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:21] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: interesting.  I have it now where it boots then keeps rebooting
[16:21] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: same as you
[16:22] <shadeslayer> yeah it's a bit weird
[16:23] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: but you can control the brightness via the initrd right
[16:27] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: yes
[16:28] <shadeslayer> well
[16:28] <shadeslayer> I'm kind of out of ideas since fbcon doesn't even work with android
[16:28] <shadeslayer> clearly enabling fbcon here is an issue
[16:29] <ogra_> well, you will need a working framebuffer for your Xorg ...  the console is just for getting there
[16:30] <shadeslayer> true
[16:30] <ogra_> i still dont get why g_serial doesnt work for you though ... fbcon is often differing by device ... gadget support shouldnt
[16:30] <shadeslayer> hmm, I'll try with android
[16:30] <shadeslayer> if g_serial works
[16:31] <ogra_> note that it kills adb ...
[16:31] <shadeslayer> yeah that's fine
[16:31] <ogra_> since that uses the gadget driver too
[16:31] <shadeslayer> I know :)
[16:31] <ogra_> if g_serial doesnt work you can also try g_composite as alternative ... i have found devices wheer that one works better
[16:31] <ogra_> (has additional USB net support)
[16:32] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:32] <shadeslayer> hmm, will try
[16:38] <shadeslayer> ogra_: booted android after enabling g_serial, nothing
[16:39] <ogra_> with proper console= args on the kernel cmdline ?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> trying composite
[16:40] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:40] <shadeslayer> I just booted it without any arguments
[16:40] <shadeslayer> trying with console=ttyGS0 now
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ooooh
[16:40] <ogra_> yeah, thats needed
[16:41] <shadeslayer> hmm .. maybe that was just fastboot
[16:41]  * shadeslayer tries flashing again
[16:42] <shadeslayer> nope, nothing with console=ttyGS0
[16:43] <ogra_> nothing in dmesg on the host ?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nothing
[16:43] <shadeslayer> last message is when I was in fastboot
[16:44] <ogra_> hmm
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ogra_: CONFIG_USB_CDC_COMPOSITE > is that the composite gadget you're talking about?
[16:48] <ogra_> yep
[16:48] <shadeslayer> there's also a CONFIG_USB_G_MULTI
[16:48] <shadeslayer> which is a "Multifunction Composite Gadget"
[16:48] <ogra_> never tried that
[16:48] <ogra_> that likely works only as module and needs options passed
[16:48] <ogra_> to flick the switches on and off
[16:50] <shadeslayer> hmm okay
[16:50]  * shadeslayer tries with CONFIG_USB_CDC_COMPOSITE
[17:02] <shadeslayer> hah
[17:02] <shadeslayer> ogra_: compiling with the composite driver is not possible
[17:02] <moocow_> So, remember that Ubuntu build I got to compile for encore? It flashes alright, but it powers off about 5 seconds later. So, this must be the debug part I heard so much about...
[17:02] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://paste.kde.org/727622/
[17:03] <ogra_> woah
[17:03] <ogra_> bitter
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:11] <Chandrakant_B> hello all
[17:12] <Chandrakant_B> Anyone has tried touch on Pantech Burst or anyone developing it????
[17:14] <moocow_> Chandrakant_B, if there is a cyanogenmod for it, you could try and build it yourself.
[17:30] <Chandrakant_B> or just idle
[17:30] <Chandrakant_B> Does anyone chat here?
[17:31] <ogra_> only if we have something to say :)
[17:32] <shadeslayer> ogra_: so what I'm trying now is : copy adbd binary to initramfs and just run the thing after sysfs/proc stuff is mounted
[17:32] <shadeslayer> maybe, just maybe, it'll work
[17:46] <shadeslayer> nope, doesn't work
[17:52] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:55] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: ogra_ I'm still quite confused as to what s3cfb.bootloaderfb is exactly
[17:56] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: what device are you on
[17:56] <shadeslayer> Nexus 10
[17:57] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: are you trying to get X running
[17:57] <shadeslayer> uh, at the end of the day, yes
[17:57] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: if so, I doubt there is a good enough fb driver
[17:57] <ChickenCutlass> that X needs
[17:58] <shadeslayer> oh? Isn't there the xf86 arm soc driver?
[17:58] <ogra_> armsoc should work
[17:58] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: you need one for that specific chip
[17:58] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: it might
[17:58] <ogra_> you will need the mali GLES libs
[17:58] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, its the same board as in the chromebook
[17:58] <shadeslayer> right ^ and we can get that from the android sources?
[17:59] <ogra_> i'm using armsoc here
[17:59] <ogra_> yep
[17:59] <ChickenCutlass> ok good
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ogra_: oh ... if the rootfs is armhf, won't that cause issues? ( or is the mali gles built against armhf? or can armel libs run on armhf? )
[18:00] <ogra_> you can use the armhf chromebook libs ...
[18:00] <shadeslayer> oooh awesome
[18:01] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[18:01] <shadeslayer> android not booting anymore :P
[18:08] <shadeslayer> eh wait
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ogra_: can't I just use your kernel + initrd
[18:08] <shadeslayer> since it's the same board
[18:09] <ogra_> i use the preinstalled kernel on my chromebook
[18:09] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:09] <ogra_> havent updated ever
[18:10] <shadeslayer> wait, you used the one that came with your chromebook?
[18:10] <ogra_> but hrw has a kernel iirc, talk to him in #ubuntu-arm
[18:10] <shadeslayer> ack
[18:10] <ogra_> yes, still using it
[18:10] <ogra_> i even used the chrubuntu script to switch from chromeos to ubuntu ...
[18:11] <ogra_> (then i mostly re-did the userspace as raring though)
[18:11] <rumba> hi
[18:11] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:12] <shadeslayer> I feel this is going to be one of those long nights
[18:37] <Oranger> mhall119: I'm sorry i'll can't be at the meeting at 19:30 UTC
[18:43] <mhall119> Oranger: that's okay, I'll see if anybody else shows up and is interested in helping
[18:43] <mhall119> otherwise you and I can just keep chatting anytime in here
[18:44] <Oranger> mhall119: Ok :) I hope that someone will be there
[18:45] <mhall119> me too, we can use more devs
[18:45] <Oranger> bye
[18:54] <hashLAB> Everywhere it says wifi is possible. How to configure wifi?
[18:55] <awe_> hashLAB, you can use the network indicator to select an access point to connnect to
[18:55] <awe_> if secure, you can enter a password
[18:56] <hashLAB> No, there it says Empty!
[18:56] <awe_> there's not much else implemented for wifi control at this point
[18:56] <mhall119> kenvandine: is qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin
[18:56] <awe_> your're other option is to use phablet-deploy-networking
[18:56] <mhall119> not built for quantal armhf?
[18:56] <awe_> which will copy a NM profile from your laptop to the device
[18:56] <hashLAB> Is wifi only working with quantal?
[18:57] <awe_> it should work on both our quantal & raring images
[18:57] <hashLAB> okay thanks
[18:57] <awe_> np
[19:22] <kenvandine> mhall119, it is somewhere...
[19:23] <kenvandine> mhall119, in  ppa:super-friends/ppa
[19:23] <mhall119> thanks kenvandine
[19:24] <kenvandine> mhall119, np
[19:24] <perat> hi all
[19:25] <perat> could somebody help me to manage problem with android restoring?
[19:25] <mhall119> kenvandine: did you see my video of the facebook app?
[19:25] <perat> first, a run adb reboot-bootloader
[19:26] <perat> and in bootloader mode device is not found
[19:26] <perat> lsusb:
[19:26] <perat> Bus 002 Device 008: ID 04e8:685d Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd
[19:26] <perat> sudo adb devices gives me nothing
[19:27] <perat> I use Ubuntu 13.04
[19:27] <ogra_> there is no adb in bootloader mode
[19:27] <perat> my device Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (GT-N8000)
[19:27] <mhall119> kenvandine: any ETA on getting a UOA front-end on the phablet so I can give it my Facebook account?
[19:28] <perat> when I run takju-jdq39$ ./flash-all.sh I'm getting only < waiting for device >
[19:29] <perat> what can I do to bring it up?
[19:30] <ogra_> what do you actually try to install there ? does samsugn actually offer original images for self install ?
[19:33] <kscloud> Anyone help me with an SDK issue?
[19:35] <perat> sorry, I triyed to run firmware for my phone))
[19:35] <perat> instead of tablet image
[19:35] <kscloud> I was looking at mhall119's app development thing and noticed his first step was to select an ubuntu app or something to that effect, but my install of the sdk doesn't have this option. Nor does it have Qt Quick 2.
[19:35] <kenvandine> mhall119, not really, designs were just ready last week
[19:35] <kenvandine> and work has started on read/write qml bindings
[19:36] <kenvandine> mhall119, want to test my script?
[19:37] <kenvandine> mhall119, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719686/
[19:37] <kscloud> It's 13.04 btw
[19:37] <kenvandine> mhall119, save that as something like uoa-create
[19:37] <kenvandine> then
[19:37] <kenvandine> ./uoa-create SERVICE USERNAME
[19:37] <kenvandine> like
[19:37] <kenvandine> ./uoa-create twitter kenvandine
[19:38] <kenvandine> mhall119, it only handles facebook and twitter for now
[19:40] <kscloud> Would reinstalling fix the issue?
[19:53] <mhall119> kenvandine: thanks, I'll give it a try later
[19:53] <kenvandine> mhall119, cool, let me know how it goes
[19:53] <mhall119> will do
[19:53] <kenvandine> i'm going to blog soon with details on how to do it
[19:53] <WarlorZ> hi folks, can someone please tell me what code name package i need to get for the ubuntu i would like to try out too : Samsung I9250 ( south africa)
[19:53] <kenvandine> after i get it in the daily image
[19:54] <mhall119> kscloud: did you follow the instructions on developer.ubuntu.com to get the SDK packages?
[19:54] <mhall119> kscloud: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[19:54] <mhall119> you'll need to add some PPA's and install Qt packages + Ubuntu plugins
[19:54] <kscloud> Some time ago, when it first came out (this was a 12.10 install)
[19:55] <mhall119> kscloud: oh, then you'll need to remove and purge those old packages
[19:55] <mhall119> otherwise they'll conflict with the new ones
[19:55] <kscloud> Ah, didn't think of that. Is ppa-purge default or just in the repos?
[19:56] <mhall119> kscloud: don't know, probably in the repos though
[19:56] <kscloud> Thanks mhall119
[19:58] <The_Matrix_> Am I alowed to ask a question regarding ubuntu touch app development? I am playing with the sdk and I don't know how to accomplish something. If no, can someone lead me to the right channel.
[19:59] <pmcgowan> The_Matrix_: you can ask here
[19:59] <pmcgowan> although most sdk guys done for the day
[20:01] <The_Matrix_> I just want to accomplish something. I want to retrive text from one file and display it on the main program. How do I do this?
[20:01] <WarlorZ> hi folks, can someone please tell me what code name package i need to get for the ubuntu i would like to try out too : Samsung I9250 ( south africa) ?
[20:02] <The_Matrix_> Can I adapt this the code from blackberry to use in this case: http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/Cascades-Development/Calling-an-element-id-from-one-QML-file-to-another/td-p/1969775
[20:03] <kenvandine> WarlorZ, i don't see that on the list of ports
[20:03] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:09] <mhall119> ogra_: rsalveti: how would I tell the phablet to open text documents using a specific app?
[20:10] <rsalveti> mhall119: not sure, kaleo might know better
[20:10] <mhall119> kaleo: ^^ ?
[20:10] <mhall119> the ubuntu-docviewer-app can accept a filepath as it's first argument now, and will display it's contents
[20:11] <mhall119> and I believe the file manager can request that a filepath be opened by an external app
[20:11] <mhall119> I just need to connect the dots
[20:15] <pmcgowan> mhall119: the basic model in is the other way around which is why we do not plan to use a filebrowser afaik
[20:16] <pmcgowan> mhall119: I dont  think we have file type associations yet, part of overall content management
[20:17] <mhall119> pmcgowan: well filebrowser is just one example, we'll need to do the same with the browser when downloading a PDF for example
[20:18] <pmcgowan> mhall119: right, then we will have associations so the content goes to the app that can deal with it
[20:20] <sergiusens> mhall119: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/04/testing-ubunutu-touch-images-now-with.html
[20:20] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: rsalveti ^^
[20:20] <mhall119> sergiusens: just saw it on G+
[20:21] <rsalveti> sergiusens: cool
[20:31] <user82> hello all. is the problem still existing that a lg nexus 4 can only be completely turned off via adb?
[20:42] <fginther> mhall119, Oranger, popey, nik90, the jenkins server is back online and has completed processing the merges that were pending. Please let me know if you find anything amiss.
[20:43] <popey> thanks fginther !
[20:50] <mhall119> fginther: I noticed, thanks a bunch for getting him back online
[20:50] <fginther> mhall119, np
[21:12] <mhall119> popey: is the weather team blocked on anything atm?
[21:14] <popey> mhall119: i think they feel blocked on design, but I expect a conversation with design on the hangout to alleviate that worry
[21:15] <mhall119> ok
[21:15] <mhall119> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Blockers
[21:15] <mhall119> can you look over that and let me know if I'm missing anything?
[21:21] <popey> oh nicely done, will look over in the morning, sleep is calling
[21:25] <mhall119> g'night popey
[21:27] <nik90> fginther: thanks a lot..I noticed the automatic merges by jenkins.
[21:38] <rsalveti> plars: mind giving http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/cm-10.1-20130418-UNOFFICIAL-mako.zip a try?
[21:39] <moocow1452> Brunch for the Nook Color compiles, but crashes upon flashing and needs to be manually restored. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5719982/ Any ideas?
[21:42] <rsalveti> plars: this one is with the ubuntu kernel
[21:42] <rsalveti> basically similar to what sergiusens created earlier today
[21:42] <rsalveti> but this is with latest everything, and works just fine (clean build as well)
[22:08] <kdub> yay, raring images
[22:08]  * kdub updates mir
[22:09] <moocow1452> Anyone want to help with my Nook Build?
[22:30] <plars> rsalveti: does this look right?
[    0.000000] Linux version 3.4.0-0-nexus4 (buildd@sigbin) (gcc version 4.7.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-23ubuntu2) ) #1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Fri Apr 12 17:11:47 UTC 2013
[22:37] <plars> rsalveti: boots, spot checking a few things I don't see anything better or worse than the stuff I tested in the same image earlier
[22:37] <plars> rsalveti: just looking at functionality (wifi, camera, etc)
[22:45] <rsalveti> plars: right, yeah
[22:45] <rsalveti> it should behave exactly the same :-)
[23:08] <mhall119> balloons: still around?