[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:48] <Laney> ello
[08:49] <ajmitch> hi
[08:58] <iulian> Morning.
[17:25] <highvoltage> http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
[18:25] <jtaylor> where has maverick gone from the lp page?
[18:25] <jtaylor> support already ended?
[18:26] <astraljava> jtaylor: According to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-April/000158.html it has.
[18:27] <jtaylor> interesting wasn't aware there was a release so early in april, and why am I not subscribed to that list :O
[18:30] <jtaylor> oh yes that was the 10.10.2010 release ... ^^
[20:35] <ajmitch> morning


[02:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb0df5627d17b: Reorder accleration and sensitivity] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb0df5627d17b
[02:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbd648c40455d: Add Lock screen now option to screensaver] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbd648c40455d
 @HMollerCl [will 6.4 make it to 20.04?], I think it will
[06:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALfa628aaf8653: Reorder blank screen to the start] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALfa628aaf8653
[07:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa2a0dba0ca08: Use title in the menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa2a0dba0ca08
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker shortcut bug for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1861 …], I just read it. Noice bug! I will have to dig in more.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> same story even after manually installing everything from cont …], @teward001 wxl:
 anyone else?
 exit
 ouch! ignore ^
 Give me a diff and I can try to replicate
 sare. one sec.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P60
 Apply this to lxqt-config on phab
 and then try to debuild -S as said in packaging tutorial
 ^ wxl
 also, ignore whitespace errors while applying, i.e do a "`git apply changes.diff --ignore-whitespace`"
 side quest: how do I make pastes from arc paste public visible by default?
[16:19] <wxl> for the latter thing, policy issue. fixed
[16:19] <wxl> former: what error?
[16:20] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker ^
[16:22] <wxl> cuz i got a "debian/rules:23: *** missing separator.  Stop."
[16:22] <wxl> and when i look at debian/rules i see 23 and 26 both have spaces rather than tabs
[16:22] <wxl> fix those and all works fine
 @wxl [<wxl> and when i look at debian/rules i see 23 and 26 both have spaces rather th …], Shit. 🤦🏻♂
 @wxl [<wxl> fix those and all works fine], K.
[16:23] <wxl> i mean "missing separator" isn't the same as "your spaces should be tabs" but clearly it's a syntax error
[16:24] <wxl> also https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#targets
[16:24] <wxl> "A new rule begins with its target declaration in the first column. The following lines beginning with the TAB code (ASCII 9) specify the recipe for carrying out that target. "
[16:25] <wxl> the other reason i noticed this is because i went to line 23 of d/rules and compared it to other lines
[16:25] <wxl> furthermore in vim those lines were highlighted in red
[16:28] <wxl> since the shebang implies it's a makefile, it most likely follows makefile specifications which is why it works like that
[16:29] <wxl> indeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makefile#Rules
[16:29] <wxl> "Note the use of meaningful indentation in specifying commands; also note that the indentation must consist of a single <tab> character. "
[16:34] <wxl> hopefully that gives you some ideas of where to look to solve similar problems in the future
 Someone using nvida and dual monitors wit lubuntu lxqt? I'm having a hard time to configure it properly.
 wxl: I get this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s7s4hdVHf7/
 @wxl [<wxl> and when i look at debian/rules i see 23 and 26 both have spaces rather th …], I have tabs in here.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I have tabs in here.], Hello
 hola!
 @The_LoudSpeaker [hola!], Hajime Mashite
 I mean namaste!
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I mean namaste!], All good?
 yup! everything's fine.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [yup! everything's fine.], Ok
 GN
[19:03] <wxl> i really don't understand raman
 @wxl [<wxl> i really don't understand raman], what you don't understand?
 @wxl [<wxl> i really don't understand raman], Yeah this is slightly ot ish
[19:04] <wxl> why you're having so much problem with this when it works just fine for me
 idk.
 It builds for you?
[19:04] <wxl> yep
[19:05] <wxl> this is debuild -S?
 he was talking about the problem in my pastebin.
 @wxl [<wxl> this is debuild -S?], No. it is debuild -b
 i earlier mentioned debuild -S
 debuild -S runs fine for me too.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [he was talking about the problem in my pastebin.], @Rutvikm
 ## testbuild the package in https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packagingtutorial/ … wxl:
 @The_LoudSpeaker [i earlier mentioned debuild -S], this was my bad sorry.
 @wxl [<wxl> for the latter thing, policy issue. fixed], so now arc paste sends public visible pastes ?
[19:34] <wxl> yeah they're public now
[19:34] <wxl> ok i confirmed your problem
[19:34] <wxl> i wonder if these are new
[19:37] <wxl> they're not new
[19:41] <wxl> OH
[19:41] <wxl> i think they are new
[19:41] <wxl> for us
[19:41] <wxl> they came in dec 2018
[19:42] <wxl> suffice it to say you need to fix d/manpages
[20:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTLTENNPACKAGING3506c5b0b7d8: Update build depends] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTLTENNPACKAGING3506c5b0b7d8
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[  13rLXQTLTENNPACKAGING3506c5b0b7d8: Update build depends  3]   15Th …], ```Rejected: … The signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question.```
 what to do now?
 oh nvm. forgot to verify it from packageset page.
[21:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> !stand-up
[21:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> !standup
 \o
[21:03] <The_LoudSpeaker> o/
[21:03] <lynorian> o/
 but, is it now? or in 1 hour?
[21:04] <lynorian> now I think
[21:04] <kc2bez> o/
[21:05] <kc2bez> It should be now @HMollerCl
[21:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTNOTIFICATIONDPACKAGINGb0be4bdc095e: Merge from Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTNOTIFICATIONDPACKAGINGb0be4bdc095e
 wxl? @tsimonq2 ?
[21:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> oh snap! I forgot to update changelog on the last one.
[21:09] <kc2bez> HMollerCl would you like to get us started?
[21:10] <kc2bez> @HMollerCl ^
 ok
 so I did thsi revisions: … https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71
[21:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] added libreoffice-qt5 package: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
[21:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Add Lubuntu Round Openbox Theme and change background and hover color for in menu search: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D72
[21:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] Added SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 env var in session.conf so libreoffice use qt5 VCL: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D72
 for theming and libreoffice.
 the idea with libreoffice is to use vcl_plugin=qt5 (instead of gtk3) which gives a qt5 filepicker and print dialog look
 buuuuut, ther is a problem with saving as pdf with qt5 and there is no current solution
 so, we might have to revert them
[21:13] <lynorian> ok good theming updates when you think you are done please tell me so I can update the screenshots in the manual
 in the theming thing, it is for inserach menu colors and a new lubuntu openbox theme
[21:13] <lynorian> Ouch saving as pdf not working is pretty big bug
 and that's it.
 EOF
 @lynorian [<lynorian> ok good theming updates when you think you are done please tell me so …], for sure
[21:14] <kc2bez> They haven't been committed yet, they are only differentials in phab.
[21:14] <kc2bez> So noting to revert yet
[21:15] <kc2bez> *nothing
 this isn't commited?
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D72
[21:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] Added SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 env var in session.conf so libreoffice use qt5 VCL: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D72
[21:15] <kc2bez> It is accepted but not committed
 aaa, ok
[21:16] <kc2bez> One of the developers would have to `arc land`
 anyway, there should be 2 things to make vcl-plugin qt5 work. 1) the env var 2) the package
 if only 1 is present it wont wotk
[21:17] <kc2bez> If you don't think we should commit them you can abandon the differentials or add to them with another `arc diff`
[21:18] <kc2bez> Makes sense @HMollerCl thanks for your work.
[21:18] <kc2bez> @The_Loudspeaker it looks like you are next.
 one sec.
[21:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> merge lxqt-about https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTABOUTPACKAGING145d015a5b0251d1af070a8430278f9e716a60da
[21:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> merge lxqt-admin https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTADMINPACKAGING0228e0c017284885cab3ad20d9b6f49ffd27f7f3
[21:20] <lynorian> my turn?
[21:20] <kc2bez> almost
[21:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> commit for l10n https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTLTENNPACKAGING3506c5b0b7d862753d5ddc27361f981f479cdf21
[21:20] <kc2bez> after @The_Loudspeaker
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> how do I upload it?
[21:21] <kc2bez> `dput`
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, just freshly messed up a commit https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTNOTIFICATIONDPACKAGINGb0be4bdc095efbac65e0611f2aa68522c0a04e63
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> how do I revert?
[21:21] <kc2bez> just add another one if you haven't uploaded
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez, l10n isn't in lubuntu-packageset
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> ok. I will add another revision with changelog only
[21:22] <kc2bez> do we even need it? @tsimonq2 mentioned debian split it out and then added it back
[21:22] <kc2bez> Not sure what is up with that
[21:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay. It can wait. I will finish lxqt-config as per wxl's instructions
[21:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> done from my side.
[21:24] <kc2bez> Thanks for working through those.
[21:24] <kc2bez> @lynorian it is your turn now,
[21:24] <lynorian> Link cdimage
[21:24] <lynorian> Add process count for qps
[21:24] <lynorian> Add mouseover
[21:24] <lynorian> View details for qps
[21:24] <lynorian> Update qps version
[21:24] <lynorian> Add open file button and recent files button to just libreoffice
[21:24] <lynorian> More detail on loimpress printing
[21:24] <lynorian> Minor typo fixes
[21:24] <lynorian> Lock screen now and other stuff for
[21:25] <lynorian> a few typograic fixes
[21:27] <kc2bez> That is fantastic lyn! Anything else?
[21:27] <lynorian> nope
[21:27] <kc2bez> Thanks!
[21:28] <kc2bez> Short list from me.
[21:28] <kc2bez> Created
[21:28] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D75
[21:28] <kc2bez> Commented on
[21:28] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71
[21:28] <kc2bez> Commented on
[21:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Accepted] Add shellprocess for i386 multiarch: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D75
[21:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] added libreoffice-qt5 package: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71
[21:28] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D77
[21:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Merge from Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D77
[21:29] <kc2bez> That is all I have for this week.
[21:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLXQTNOTIFICATIONDPACKAGING2fbf2a930d26: Provide changelog to last change] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTNOTIFICATIONDPACKAGING2fbf2a930d26
[21:30] <kc2bez> Is there anyoone else or does anyone have anything else?
[21:31]  * lynorian does not
[21:31] <kc2bez> Sounds good.
[21:31]  * guiverc has nothing
[21:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez now check
[21:32] <kc2bez> Will do.
[21:32] <kc2bez> Thanks everyone!
[21:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> thanks to you too.
[21:34] <kc2bez> That looks good @The_Loudspeaker. You will just need to remember make sure you have all your changes before you upload. You can do that by git cloning into a new working directory and then building.
[21:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> k.
[21:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALacc84a7c0a1b: Add Group id field] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALacc84a7c0a1b
[21:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> I somehow missed it when I ran git status. won't happen again.
[21:36] <kc2bez> No worries, we got it in time,
[21:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> I actually didn't see your notif on time. I only realised it when I ran dput. I saw that the version number wasn't according to what I fixed in merge. immediately went to launchpad to verify that the upload was rejected due to wrong version number.
[21:47] <wxl> sorry i missed everything
[21:48] <wxl> you good @The_LoudSpeaker?
[21:49] <wxl> p.s. @kc2bez not sure you saw my note but i think we should push the shell process through
 @wxl [<wxl> you good @The_LoudSpeaker?], Yup!
[21:49] <wxl> k cool
 @wxl [<wxl> p.s. @kc2bez not sure you saw my note but i think we should push the shell …], I saw that. I am good with that if you are.
[21:53] <wxl> @kc2bez: yeah i think just do it. i'd rather have something in place. if they add something to casper or the images, great. that just means we'll have two things doing the same thing. but if we don't have anything, that's bad
[21:55] <wxl> the position seems good, too
[21:56] <wxl> oh wow a wallpaper entry that actually looks solid
 Ok thanks. I tested it a couple of times and it seemed good.
[21:57] <wxl> well, wire-frame X''''''''D
 More testing would be excellent on that.
 Haven't looked at wallpapers today. Need to do that.
 Yeah, solid submission.
[22:02] <wxl> i really hope cala fixes that entire disk issue. that's a big one.
[22:02] <wxl> should probably file a bug for that
 Do you mean a launchpad bug? I think there already is a Calamares bug.
[22:10] <wxl> yeah that's what i meant


[23:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rQTLOCATIONPACKAGING5386d24494b0: Add missing files to qtpositioning5 and also introduce new package] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rQTLOCATIONPACKAGING5386d24494b0
[23:07] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rQTLOCATIONPACKAGINGbecb4b138d82: Fix package descriptions.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rQTLOCATIONPACKAGINGbecb4b138d82
[23:09] <tsimonq2> Seems like IRC notifications were getting stalled for some reason.
[23:10] <tsimonq2> Disabled the part which actually triggers the notifications while the queue flushes.
 fyi, https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1007765774856065025


[00:00] <skd5aner> I had a simple irexec event tied to a button on the remote that used to do "killall mythfrontend" with no issues, and in the last week or 2 I realized it no longer worked
[00:02] <superm1> the notify-send you were seeing isn't the same one we ship.  it gets replaced by notify-osd for us
[00:02] <superm1> which i'm unsure if it will work in your context
[00:53] <skd5aner> superm1: gotcha - no worries, if it worked, it worked... either way, this is way better because now mythtv comes back up in about 4 seconds, rather than ~20
[03:57] <superm1> skd5aner: cool.  you might consider documenting this somewhere on a wiki or something for people who are looking to do similar
[04:24] <superm1> skd5aner: what makes you think that backend not listening to the terminate signal is bonjour stuff?  have you looked into it any further yet?
[14:41] <skd5aner> yay, I just deleted everyting in /root
[14:41] <skd5aner> :P


[00:22] <DarkTrick> Why does ubuntu use ~/.config/autostart and systemd for starting up applications? specifically, tracker*
[02:51] <akem> Good morning.
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:12] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[07:12] <marcoagpinto> the demon is here!
[07:18] <Maik> and i am a demon hunter... start to run
[07:18] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[07:18] <Maik> :D
[07:18] <Maik> good morning marcoagpinto
[07:18] <marcoagpinto> I will run in two hours to buy more cola
[07:18] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:18] <marcoagpinto> only one glass left
[07:19] <marcoagpinto> morning
[07:20] <Maik> i think i switch over to water soon. Too much cola and energydrinks aren't healthy.
[07:21]  * mgedmin tries to sip his tea and discovers the cup is empty!
[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:28] <Maik> mgedmin: lol
[07:28] <Maik> lordievader: good morning
[07:39] <marcoagpinto> damn... I have run out of cola... now I am drinking tea :(
[07:58] <lordievader> heho, Maik , marcoagpinto
[07:59] <marcoagpinto> lordievader!
[07:59] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:26] <DarkTrick> My /etc/apparmor.d/sbin.dhclient script tries to run /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action which does not exist. Can I safely remove the entry for running /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action ?
[15:36] <Maik> DarkTrick: support is in #ubuntu


[07:03] <jfh> @fbader: hi & welcome
[07:05] <fbader> @jfh Thanks, just about to get some sleep since it's 3AM.
[07:06] <jfh> @fabder: yeah - I already wondered about your late mail ;-) - have a good remaining night
[11:59] <cpaelzer> ah you are already active - hi fbader
[12:01] <fbader> @cpaelzer Hello, yes I'm trying to learn about IRC.  Never used it before.
[12:03] <cpaelzer> fbader: it is not so much different to other messengers
[12:03] <cpaelzer> fbader: just less silly pictures and more content
[12:03] <cpaelzer> fbader: so the "employed messenger" among the kiddies :-P
[12:09] <fbader> Is there are documented process for adding DASD to a guest so that it is permanent after IPL?  Is adding new DASD to /udev/rules.d the recommended way?
[12:09] <cpaelzer> chzdev will take care of creating udev rules
[12:10] <cpaelzer> lszdev&chzdev are provided and supported by IBM
[12:10] <cpaelzer> part of s390-utils s390-tools or whatever it is called today
[12:10] <cpaelzer> take a look at their manpages that should cover most that you need
[12:11] <cpaelzer> including enqiry of devices, selecting active/inactive, ...
[12:11] <cpaelzer> fbader: ^^
[12:11] <fbader> I didn't see them in the doc on the Ubuntu site.   Is there a "Drivers & Commands" document for Ubunutu like there is for SLES & RHEL?
[12:11] <cpaelzer> fbader: AFAIK that doc is in progress under lead by Dorothea in BB
[12:12] <cpaelzer> fbader: but I didn't see a draft of it nor a final version yet
[12:12] <cpaelzer> but I must admit I haven't checked
[12:13] <cpaelzer> fbader: the cool thing is this
[12:13] <cpaelzer> fbader: since we picked up the new stuff from IBM by that it actually is documented
[12:13] <cpaelzer> fbader: just not in a ubunut specific manner
[12:13] <cpaelzer> fbader: but there is the generic "upstream" devcie drivers book
[12:13] <cpaelzer> fbader: http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/linux390/docu/l4n4dd29.pdf
[12:13] <cpaelzer> fbader: and there is a whole chapter about this new one-place-for-all thing
[12:13] <cpaelzer> fbader: page 602 ff
[12:14] <fbader> Thanks!  I'll check that out.
[12:15] <cpaelzer> fbader: page 701 and around hold all the ls* tools
[13:08] <xnox> $ man chzdev ? =)
[13:42] <jfh> @fbader: there is indeed a draft of the device drivers book for kernel 4.4 - you should contact Dorothea Matthaeus from the IBM ID team in BB
[13:42] <jfh> @cpaelzer: oh - didn't saw all your lines ... sorry
[13:43] <cpaelzer> jfh: I had maaany lines, how could you miss them :-P
[13:43] <jfh> :-D
[13:43] <cpaelzer> but that is a great example why Ubuntu is great for so many people
[13:44] <cpaelzer> not outdated old tools, not super-special-own-tools if not needed
[13:44] <cpaelzer> just most recent manaufacturer provided SW in most cases
[13:44] <cpaelzer> I like that
[13:44] <jfh> well, I'm using pidgin - and it you scroll up and forgot to scroll down to the end again - you may miss the latest lines ... (until you really scroll down again ...)
[13:45] <jfh> right ...
[13:51] <cpaelzer> xnox: is there now a nicer way to install from FTP with a setup like our forced VLAN config?
[13:52] <cpaelzer> xnox: I still use the old google keep I got from you, did that got better or is it considered a non supported setup with a working workaround?
[14:55] <xnox> cpaelzer, it should be perfect very soon.
[14:55] <xnox> cpaelzer, with http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/yakkety-proposed/main/installer-s390x/20101020ubuntu455/images/ it should be just netcfg/vlan_id=XYZ and magical.
[14:55] <xnox> i fixed the last bug, i think, and will retest now.
[14:55] <xnox> and then SRU fixups into xenial.
[14:57] <cpaelzer> xnox: great
[14:57] <cpaelzer> xnox: that means we will at some point have an updated installer for Xenial on laconia then
[14:57] <cpaelzer> nic
[14:58] <xnox> yeap


 I was up way early again but did an half an hour nap at 7am with improved things ;-)
[08:50] <seb128> lut jibel, oSoMoN, didrocks
[08:50] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[08:53] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:53] <seb128> how is everyone?
[08:54] <oSoMoN> short night here, but I'm feeling good
[08:54] <marcustomlinson> doing fiiiiiine
[08:56] <seb128> oSoMoN, I don't know how you are doing!
[08:57] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:57] <seb128> didrocks, salut, en forme ?
[08:57] <oSoMoN> well I'll probably feel tired after lunch and will envy your 7am nap :)
[08:59] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, et toi ? Tu te sens mieux ?
[09:01] <seb128> oSoMoN, :-)
[09:02] <seb128> didrocks, oui, je pense que j'arrive à éviter le rhume (en espérant que le manque de sommeil me le fasse pas revenir dans la tronche...)
[09:05] <Laney> \o
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney , how are you?
[09:08] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:08] <Laney> not too bad, but it is really grey today
[09:08] <Laney> need some vitamin D 😬
[09:08] <seb128> it was like that here yesterday but we got the sun visiting today, I hope it stays for a bit :)
[09:08] <Laney> how come you keep getting up early? kid?
[09:12] <seb128> yes, the little one wakes up around 6am :-/
[09:13] <seb128> a bit earlier for some days now
[09:13] <seb128> and in his 'I want to eat and to play mode' for at least an hour
[09:13] <seb128> and is in*
[09:13] <seb128> :-(
[09:15] <Laney> :(
[09:15] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:15] <seb128> I managed to go back to bed at 7am for half an hour until everyone was getting up, so it's alright ;-)
[09:15] <Laney> yo didrocks
[09:15] <Laney> how's it going there?
[09:16] <Laney> no 5:30 wake up for you?
[09:16] <didrocks> well, I did as everyday, tough interrupted nights for the past 6 months, but I will survive :)
[09:16] <oSoMoN> morning Laney
[09:29] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[10:02] <Laney> 'apt purge ~o'  # wow
[11:32] <Saviq> seb128, working through the backlog:
[11:32] <Saviq> - reconnecting wifi, no ;)
[11:32] <Saviq> - verbosity, it's a global flag, so it will affect some commands more than others (but yes, we've a lot more logging that we could do)
[11:32] <Saviq> - thanks for the bug reports!
[11:32] <Saviq> - and thanks, glad you like it ;)
[11:59] <Saviq> anyone using xfreerdp? I've been happily remote'ing into a machine of mine while on 18.04, but since updating to 20.04 it's getting interrupted quite often. There isn't anything obvious I can find in the journal (there's a lot of resource errors, but that seems a result of the X server going away, not the cause)
[12:14] <Laney> feel like that might be a duflu question
[12:33] <seb128> Saviq, hey, thanks for the replies :-) I was wondering if the -v was not command specific, I guess at least it makes more sense in that case that it's listed for transfer even if it does nothing
[12:34] <seb128> Saviq, xrdp, did you upgrade the client or the server machine? and not known afaik but we don't do a lot of xrdp around usually, that's a topic we plan to invest some debugging time on this cycle though
[12:44] <Saviq> server, client (remmina snap) was fine all along
[12:45] <Saviq> (upgraded server)
[12:47] <Saviq> I'll try and fish out any relevant info and file a bug…
[12:48] <seb128> Saviq, thanks
[13:24] <seb128> Saviq, when you said "xfreerdp', you don't use 'xrdp' as the sharing service on your server?
[14:36] <seb128> if anyone understands gnome/python bindings issue and was wanting to help with the current libunity build failure that would be welcome
[14:37] <seb128> tests are failing, a bunch of errors like that one
[14:37] <seb128> > gi.repository.GLib.Error: g-invoke-error-quark: Could not locate unity_extras_preview_player_new: 'unity_extras_preview_player_new': /usr/bin/python3: undefined symbol: unity_extras_preview_player_new (1)
[14:40] <seb128>
[14:40] <seb128> didrocks, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QCV9NZ92gD/ ... got a build to success, thanks!
[14:41] <seb128> now to test if the iso is working, but at least it gives a grub menu and plymouth disk check listing the differents images
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: excellent!
[14:52] <Laney> woot
[14:53] <Saviq> seb128: I have no idea, probably so ;)
[14:54] <Saviq> probably conflated xrdp with freerdp
[14:54] <seb128> Saviq, thx
[15:41] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:41] <luna_> oSoMoN: are you packing the new Thunderbird?
[15:41] <luna_> hello hellsworth
[15:41] <hellsworth> hi there luna_
[15:43] <hellsworth> marcustomlinson: did you get a chance to upload 7.0.3 for groovy?
[15:43] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: I've requested a package copy yes
[15:43] <hellsworth> ok great thanks so so much!!
[15:43] <hellsworth> you're the best :)
[15:44] <marcustomlinson> haha
[15:44] <marcustomlinson> np
[15:48] <luna_> had to reconnect to irc my VPS provider changed from OpenVZ to Openstack now :)
[15:53] <marcustomlinson> ha nice
[16:02] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[16:02] <hellsworth> hey there oSoMoN
[16:03] <oSoMoN> luna_, which version? 78.4.3 is already in hirsute, if that's the version you're referring to
[16:11] <seb128> oSoMoN, https://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/78.5.0/ ? ;)
[16:12] <seb128> https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.5.0/releasenotes/ is from yesterday but the mainpage doesn't reflect that yet
[16:17] <oSoMoN> ah, that'll teach me to trust the contents of https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/ are up-to-date
[16:55] <Laney> MIR ack for pipewire!
[16:56] <luna_> oSoMoN: as seb128 said
[16:57] <oSoMoN> luna_, yeah, thanks! I'm preparing the update now
[17:08] <luna_> nice
[17:11] <marcustomlinson> Laney: noice


[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm looking for documentation on Ktorrent. iirc, it was written for and sent upstream
[01:16] <nixternal> we don't do that kind of documentation, but yes it is upstream somewhere, it is up to the KTorrent guys to build it and get it into KDE
[01:16] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i know but i think you said someone wrote it
[01:17] <Admiral_Chicago> need help with documentation?
[01:17] <nixternal> we always need help with documentation
[01:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i figured as much. i noticed "switching from windows to linux" is WIP, it seems interesting could I help with that
[01:18] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, did you get my PM?
[01:19] <nixternal> what do you think?
[01:19] <nixternal> ;p
[01:19] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: don't look at those old pages, but we have planned a Switching to Kubuntu one that hasn't even started, there is one already for Ubuntu, which I am sure could probably use some editing maybe. i haven't looked at it much
[01:20] <nixternal> one guy pretty much wrote it
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> well nixternal feel free to email me with documentation stuff if you get overloaded with it
[01:20] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm Kubuntu sounds interesting, KDE is the best
[01:20] <nixternal> shhh
[01:20] <nixternal> no DE wars needed
[01:20] <nixternal> ya, since there are only 3 of us in here
[01:20] <nixternal> 4
[01:21] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i figured out why my bug was happening
[03:52] <jjesse> evening
[04:08] <nixternal> evening
[04:36] <jjesse> hello
[09:01] <mdke> good morning
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> dang
[09:03] <Madpilot> mdke, morning
[09:04] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, when the Europeans are saying 'Good morning', you're up way too late!
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I know.
[09:04] <Mithrandir> morning, mdke
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> The sad part is I'm nowhere near going to bed - I don't think I will until tomorrow night.
[09:15] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:42] <Madpilot> Um... someone just translated the first couple paragraphs of UserDocumentation into Polish...
[10:42] <Madpilot> at least I think it's Polish...
[03:13] <mihakriket> I am new to helping with the wiki documents. I have finished editing the 'commandline howto' document. I was wondering if anybody to take a look at the document for me a provided me some feedback. Again this is my first wiki I have updated. TIA
[03:16] <crimsun> reading.
[03:18] <crimsun> nice work!
[03:19] <crimsun> I'll touch up some minor grammatical corrections as I go through.
[03:35] <mihakriket> crimsun: thank you for the feedback. I was thinking on editing the advanced commandline document as it also appears in the CategoryCleanup
[03:35] <crimsun> feel free
[03:35] <crimsun> It'll take me about 25 more minutes to run through this one.
[03:36] <dgold> is lilo used as the defaul boot-manager in any version of ubuntu anymore? The install guide refers solely to it, and only mentions grub as an afterthought
[03:38] <mihakriket> crimsun: I will wait until you are completed, so I can see what mistakes I made and avoid making the same ones again.
[03:49] <crimsun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandlineHowto is completed.
[03:49] <crimsun> dgold: for certain configurations, lilo is required.
[03:50] <crimsun> dgold: off the top of my head, installations that use LVM require lilo.
[03:55] <glatzor> mdke: when do you plan to release new translated documentation for edgy?
[04:11] <mihakriket> crimsun: thank you for your help. I will look over the document.
[04:11] <crimsun> thank you!
[04:31] <dgold> crimsun: but it isn't the defauly mode for all alternate-installs, therefore the documentation should specify same.
[04:32] <crimsun> dgold: please correct as appropriate
[04:32] <dgold> wilko
[05:54] <dgold> is the installation guide in svn repo - unable to locate it...
[06:11] <dgold> wiki describe installguide as being under ubuntu-doc/generic , but it aitn't there
[06:39] <LaserJock> mdke: around?
[06:56] <nixternal> hola
[07:33] <LaserJock> hi nixternal, how's it going?
[08:05] <nixternal> just got a new puppy
[08:07] <LaserJock> sweet, what kind?
[08:17] <mdke> LaserJock: yes
[08:18] <mdke> dgold: no, it is maintained by the installer developer in the "installation-guide" package
[08:18] <mdke> glatzor: no plans at the moment
[08:18] <LaserJock> mdke: just wanted to say that the Open Week session seemed to go OK
[08:18] <LaserJock> I just used your stuff from the wiki and nixternal and I answered questions
[08:18] <mdke> great, nice work and thanks for doing that
[08:18] <mdke> any interest?
[08:19] <LaserJock> moderately
[08:19] <LaserJock> we had a few people that seemed like they were interested
[08:19] <LaserJock> wiki work, etc.
[08:20] <mdke> that would be good
[08:20] <LaserJock> I think there was one person interested in the forums->wiki stuff
[08:25] <mdke> nice
[08:30] <glatzor> mdke: the desktop-guide is now completely translated in German
[08:41] <nixternal> LaserJock: i have no clue what kind of dog it is. some kind of terrorist..i mean terrier
[08:42] <LaserJock> haha
[08:44] <fumbalah> Hiya
[08:58] <mdke> glatzor: cool.
[09:12] <mdke> swish
[09:13] <mdke> swish
[09:15] <mdke> Mithrandir: dangerous
[09:17] <Mithrandir> oyh, I did comment on the mailing list.  I've even gone so far as to have subscribed now. :-P
[09:19] <Burgwork> my job is killing me today
[09:19] <Mithrandir> I'm not sure what you're soliciting comments for, but I've commented on the "Developer review of docs" thread.
[09:19] <Mithrandir> Burgwork: shoot back
[09:19] <Burgwork> no, I just did
[09:20] <Burgwork> just waiting for the company president to phone me, asking me what I was saying in my email
[09:26] <mdke> Mithrandir: yeah, I saw that, that's great. I was after comments from docpeople in the topic based help and articleinfo threads. No need for you to comment on those :)
[09:29] <LaserJock> mdke: do you think we can do it in a way that still shows who maintains what?
[09:29] <LaserJock> wrt, articleinfo
[09:30] <mdke> LaserJock: yes, we can include lists of maintainers in contribute.xml
[09:30] <mdke> but if we switch, I don't think we can maintain a list of who has contributed to what (as opposed to who maintains what)
[09:30] <LaserJock> would it be possible to put that info somewhere else?
[09:31] <LaserJock> it would be nice to acknowledge contributions
[09:31] <LaserJock> or will be just have a list of contributors?
[09:31] <mdke> they would be acknowledged as contributors to "the documentation" but not linked to a particular document
[09:31] <mdke> I tend to think that's ok, but if others disagree, I don't have a problem
[09:32] <LaserJock> I think that would be ok
[09:32] <LaserJock> people often contribute to more then one doc
[09:32] <LaserJock> and I tend to see them as contibutors to the doc team
[09:33] <mdke> i think actually it has a kind of advantage
[09:33] <mdke> people are seen as part of the team
[09:33] <LaserJock> yes, I agree
[09:34] <LaserJock> it also should help with consistency
[09:37] <mdke> LaserJock: agreed. Have a play around with branches/tbh/common/C/contributors.xml and see what you think
[09:41] <mdke> I guess something like:
[09:42] <mdke> Ubuntu Documentation Team members:
[09:42] <mdke>  * Matthew East (Ubuntu documentation)
[09:42] <mdke>  * Jordan Mantha (Packaging guide)
[09:42] <mdke> Other contributors:
[09:42] <mdke>  * Joe Blogs
[09:42] <mdke> etc
[09:43] <mdke> that way we can add all the K/Ed/X guys too
[09:44] <mdke> btw, LaserJock, have you met the Edubuntu docs guy?
[09:45] <mdke> it's great that someone is on board for that
[10:15] <LaserJock> mdke: which guy?
[10:16] <LaserJock> sorry, wasn't paying attention
[10:26] <nixternal> willdvl or whatever his name is
[10:26] <nixternal> him and i have been chatting
[10:26] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[10:27] <LaserJock> I'd really like to see Edubuntu docs really rock in Feisty
[10:27] <LaserJock> even little ones
[10:27] <LaserJock> I think the Handbook was a rather large undertaking and people choked
[10:28] <LaserJock> hi jono
[10:28] <jono> hey
[10:28] <nixternal> hiya jono
[10:28] <jono> hey
[10:29] <nixternal> dude, this dog is satan
[10:29] <LaserJock> heh
[10:30] <nixternal> ya the handbook has been a tough one
[10:30] <nixternal> i know sbalenev or however you spell his name put a lot of work in on the LTSP stuff
[10:33] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:33] <LaserJock> and that's pretty cool considering he does a large part of the actual LTSP development
[10:33] <nixternal> i have been beat lately...im trying to contrib a little more here and there
[10:36] <LaserJock> yeah, we don't want you pulling a Jorge on us
[10:36] <nixternal> never
[10:36] <nixternal> if i go back to windows, permission granted on ordering my assasination
[10:36] <nixternal> if only i was so worthy ;)
[10:37] <nixternal> yay
[10:37] <LaserJock> haha
[10:37] <LaserJock> I tell you though, there's been a number of times where I've though "I don't need this crap, I'm outta here"
[10:37] <LaserJock> but I hang in there
[10:37] <nixternal> hehe
[10:38] <LaserJock> I gotta tone it down though
[10:38] <nixternal> see, with Kubuntu stuff, I never get the feeling, but it is some of the politics and at times a feeling of elite'ism (im not even going to act like I know how to spell that one) that gets me at times
[10:39] <nixternal> but i enjoy hanging out, learning new stuff, and having mdke yell at me for committing to the edgy branch, even within a week of being told the first time ;)
[10:39] <LaserJock> shesh, these kids will never learn, right mdke? ;-)
[10:40] <nixternal> hehe
[10:40] <nixternal> i think i have you all on the age side of the kid'dom
[10:40] <nixternal> not by much though
[10:40] <nixternal> so im like the older kid
[10:40] <LaserJock> yeah, that mental age thing keeps getting you :p
[10:40] <nixternal> lol
[10:40] <nixternal> 32 on the outside, 12 on the inside
[10:41] <mdke> 32? that's way old
[10:41] <nixternal> but if i remember correctly, mdke and myself have some killer HAIRdo's
[10:41] <nixternal> LaserJock: you have a hairdon't
[10:41] <nixternal> ;)
[10:42] <LaserJock> bah
[10:42] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:42] <mdke> that's libel, my hair is impeccable
[10:42] <nixternal> lol
[10:42] <nixternal> mdke brings the lawyer out in himself to save face on the hair
[10:42] <LaserJock> nixternal: I have hair ... sorta
[10:43] <nixternal> hehe


[01:31] <Suggley> Hi - have MythTV up and running and recording well etc. was wondering if any1 had to good tutorials as to how to have a recording transcoded to x264 or xvid after recording has been completed
[02:21] <therethinker> *waits for ubuntu*
[02:21] <therethinker> !gutsy
[02:21] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[03:03] <MythbuntuGuest77> hello
[03:05] <MythbuntuGuest77> Can i add espn360 to mythstream?
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest77> I want to add espn360 to my mythstrem.. is that posible.
[03:13] <MythbuntuGuest77> ?
[03:24] <DiggThis> superm1: are u in?
[03:26] <foxbuntu> DiggThis, I don't think he is
[03:26] <DiggThis> thx foxbuntu prob busy for the launch.
[03:27] <foxbuntu> DiggThis, indeed
[03:27] <DiggThis> ill give him some time and try later then thx mate
[03:41] <MythbuntuGuest77> fox can you help me? I want to add espn360 to mythtvsteam. it downloads a plug in is that ok?
[03:45] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest77, I don't know anything about that
[03:45] <foxbuntu> sorry
[03:58] <MythbuntuGuest77> that is ok
[04:15] <gib> I discovered that Nvidia drivers have their own xvmc driver called rather than the standard xxmc.  That's why it wouldn't work.  After I set xine to use xxmc, my cpu usage for playing DVD's dropped in half!    From peaking at aroud 70% with Xv to 35% with xxmc.
[04:16] <gib> called xxmc rather than the standard xvmc for non-nvidia cards, I mean.
[04:16] <MitoTranin> wow... can you document that somewhere, or file a bug report for it?
[04:16] <MitoTranin> !bugs
[04:16] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:16] <MitoTranin> hmm, not there
[04:17] <MitoTranin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[04:17] <MitoTranin> there
[04:17] <gib> OK, it's not really a bug, just something you need to know about nvidia using a custom driver for xvmc.
[04:18] <MitoTranin> right... which is a bug for mythbuntu, because it should handle that for you
[04:18] <MitoTranin> I agree that it's not technically a bug, but it is something that should be taken care of and fixed...
[04:18] <gib> Although, it might be considered a bug that myth internal trys to use xvmc for nvidia and I don't think there is a place to change that.
[04:19] <gib> tries
[04:19] <MitoTranin> thus why when you tell the MCC to use the restricted nvidia drivers, it would be a good thing for the mcc to change things like that
[04:20] <gib> Yes, that would be good.  :)
[04:22] <gib> So I should enter it as a blueprint rather than a bug?
[04:22] <MitoTranin> I was debating between the two actually
[04:22] <MitoTranin> technically it's not a bug
[04:23] <MitoTranin> but it does cause problems that lead to "bugs"
[04:23] <gib> Well, it's not really a bug, because xine defaults to auto, which doesn't use xvmc either.
[04:23] <MitoTranin> go for the blueprint
[04:24] <gib> It doesn't use the wrong one, just not the ideal one.
[04:24] <MitoTranin> well...
[04:24] <MitoTranin> yeah
[04:24] <gib> k
[04:24] <MitoTranin> it could be considered a bug, because mythbuntu does detect if you have nvidia or ati so that it knows which restricted driver to install
[04:25] <gib> I was surprised at the dramatic result--it dumped half the load to the gpu.
[04:25] <MitoTranin> so technically since it's doing that detection, and making changes based on the result of that detection, it's a bug because it doesn't make all the necessary changes due to the detection...
[04:25] <MitoTranin> but yeah... blueprint wins by a slight margin I think...
[04:25] <MitoTranin> yeah
[04:26] <MitoTranin> (and I'm interested since I have an nvidia geforce 4 mx as my onboard card :0
[04:26] <gib> More than that if you consider xv  is supposed already dumping part of the load to the gpu and the 50% difference is between xv and xxmc
[04:43] <gib> How's that?  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/nvivia-xxmc-driver-for-xine
[04:52] <MitoTranin> works :)
[05:00] <gib> Do you happen to know of any good color calibration photos.  In KDE there are three boxes that blend in to mostly gray when gamma is adjusted properly, otherwise they stand out to various degrees.  Is there a photo someplace I can use to adjust my monitor that would do something similar?
[05:00] <gib> Adjust my TV, I should say.
[05:01] <gib> Which is a lot harder because the res is so much worse than a monitor.
[05:01] <MitoTranin> google gives: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6463_7-5085739-4.html
[05:01] <gib> Even at 640x480 nvidia-settings doesn't fit on the screen, and the apply changes buttons are off the bottom of hte screen.
[05:02] <MitoTranin> yeah, but you don't have to run it at that res
[05:02] <MitoTranin> you can still run anything that's 4x3 and it will resize properly
[05:04] <gib> Yes, but anything higher is totally unreadable.
[05:04] <gib> fuzzzzzzzzzy
[05:04] <gib> I literally can't read text.
[05:05] <gib> I can on mythTV because of the way it adjusts it.
[05:05] <gib> But not outside on the xfce desktop running nvidia-settings and other utils
[05:06] <MitoTranin> it depends on how well it converts it...
[05:07] <gib> My TV's grid mask is really course.  It can do higher res, but it's can physically resolve them.
[05:07] <gib> can't
[05:07] <gib> coarse
[05:09] <gib> It's a lot easier to make all my changes via ssh or nx, but color adjustment is one thing that actually needs to be done at the monitor itself.
[05:10] <gib> But all programs seem to assume a 1024x768 screen or larger now.
[05:11] <MitoTranin> so change to that resolution and vnc in so you can read it.
[05:11] <MitoTranin> fix the color, and then change it back
[05:11] <MitoTranin> or, just leave it at the 1024x768 since myth works fine in it, and vnc in when you need to do anything outside of myth :)
[05:23] <tazgodx> hmmmm, i keep getting an error when trying to upgrade my kubuntu. says it can't resolve one of the repos.....been trying for 3 days now
[05:26] <MitoTranin> has anyone seen it where you delete a recording via mythweb, it goes away from the screen, but when you leave that page and go back, it's still there again?
[05:27] <MitoTranin> tazgodx: disable that repo?
[05:28] <tgm4883_laptop> MitoTranin, no, have you seen where you try to delete a show from the recordings screen and it instead plays it?
[05:29] <MitoTranin> no, never seen that one either
[05:30] <tazgodx> MitoTranin: i actually don't know which one it is...i don't see it listed in my sources.list
[05:32] <tazgodx> nm, found it :)
[05:35] <MitoTranin> weird... I just deleted the same recordings from my MythTV player on my windows box
[05:35] <MitoTranin> and they showed right back up
[05:37] <MitoTranin> I figured it out!?!?!
[05:37] <MitoTranin> my nfslockfile problem too I bet
[05:37] <MitoTranin> or so I think I did
[05:37] <MitoTranin> ugh, doesn't make sense though
[05:38] <MitoTranin> ok, tgm4883_laptop, you still around?
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[05:38] <MitoTranin> do you remember my nfslockfile problem?
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[05:38] <MitoTranin> ok... well the basis is that it can't, or doesn't, delete the lockfile after it creates it
[05:39] <MitoTranin> well, with these recordings not deleting, I looked in the mythbackend log to see what was going on...
[05:39] <MitoTranin> it is filled with this stuff:
[05:39] <MitoTranin> 2007-10-17 21:52:21.909 Expiring Ninja Warrior "Sasuke 7: Part 2" from Wed Oct 17 00:00:00 2007, 10 MBytes, forced expire (LiveTV rec$
[05:39] <MitoTranin> 2007-10-17 21:52:24.975 Error deleting '/data/mythtv/recordings/1003_20071017001453.nuv' could not open
[05:39] <MitoTranin>                         eno: Permission denied (13)
[05:39] <tgm4883> ah
[05:39] <MitoTranin> and I mean absolutely filled with trying to expire livetv recordings
[05:40] <MitoTranin> so my guess is that it's getting the same problem when trying to delete the lockfile
[05:40] <MitoTranin> but the question then is why?
[05:40] <MitoTranin> the only thing I can think of is because the root account is what's doing the deleting, right?
[05:40] <tgm4883> yea because if it makes it, then it should be able to delete it
[05:40] <tgm4883> cifs right
[05:40] <MitoTranin> well, the password is different between this machine and my nas
[05:40] <MitoTranin> yes, cifs
[05:41] <MitoTranin> but that's the thing
[05:41] <MitoTranin> it should always use the credentials in the fstab file
[05:41] <MitoTranin> so the root account and password being different shouldn't matter
[05:41] <tgm4883> maybe the mount is wrong ?
[05:42] <MitoTranin> I don't see anything wrong with it:  //<IP_ADDRESS>/risk /data/nas-mounts/risk cifs username=tvmyth,password=mythtv 0 0
[05:45] <MitoTranin> hmmm
[05:45] <MitoTranin> maybe because the mythtv could be issuing the delete command, and the /data dir is owned by root?
[05:46] <MitoTranin> drwxr-xr-x   5 root root  4096 2007-10-14 03:01 data
[05:47] <tgm4883> isn't there an edit/change permission for cifs?
[05:52] <MitoTranin> hmmm... the default file permissions were set to 775
[05:53] <tgm4883> it's not doing this is it http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux-cifs-client/2006-December/001637.html
[05:54] <MitoTranin> no
[05:54] <tgm4883> also look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-318943.html
[05:54] <MitoTranin> but I just checked the permissions of the recording files etc
[05:54] <MitoTranin> -rwxrw-r-- 1 1003 nogroup<PHONE_NUMBER> 2007-10-17 21:00 1029_20071017200000.nuv
[05:56] <MitoTranin> odd
[05:56] <MitoTranin> I just chmod'd to 777
[05:56] <MitoTranin> and it only changed it to 776
[05:56] <MitoTranin> -rwxrwxr-x 1 1003 nogroup<PHONE_NUMBER> 2007-10-17 21:00 1029_20071017200000.nuv
[05:58] <tgm4883> delete readonly = yes ?
[07:17] <solarbaby> Ahhh a good days sleep makes me feel great
[07:18] <solarbaby> superm1: soon I will be coming out with my MythTV and Xbox Frontend(s) Howto
[07:18] <solarbaby> superm1: unless there are already some good ones, I need to check
[07:19] <superm1> solarbaby, xbox frontend as in mythbuntu on xbox?
[07:19] <superm1> or as in xbmc?
[07:22] <tazgodx> what are teh bare minimum specs for a mythtv frontend?
[07:23] <superm1> $specs
[07:23] <mythbot> Looking for recommended hardware specs?  Look no further than here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570204
[07:23] <tazgodx> ty
[07:25] <tazgodx> hmm, i wouldn't be able to use like a 700Mhz for a frontend? doesn't the frontend just stream from the backend?
[07:26] <superm1> you can try
[07:26] <superm1> it wont hurt to try at least
[07:27] <Wy|laptop> You should.
[07:27] <tazgodx> hmmm, ill have to give it a try. i think i have a 700 downstairs
[07:27] <Wy|laptop> depending on what you're trying to playback
[07:27] <Wy|laptop> EPIAs are very common frontend machines
[07:30] <tazgodx> i would almost think that you could get really slow CPUs on a frontend, considering its all streamed from a backend. there is no encoding or anything on it. specially for SD signal
[07:31] <Wy|laptop> decodeing, especially for HD.
[07:32] <Wy|laptop> but for SD, pretty much any machine will do
[07:33] <Wy|laptop> The EPIA boards (800mhz VIA C3s) are very common for a frontend. And ifyou boot myth off a flash CF disk... it's a completely silent system
[07:33] <tazgodx> hmmm
[07:34] <tazgodx> ill have to look at prices on those. still looking for a frontend machine or 2
[07:35] <Wy|laptop> http://www.mini-box.com/site/index.html
[07:36] <Wy|laptop> hell, there's even stuff like http://www.mini-box.com/iMediaMythTV
[07:39] <tazgodx> haha
[07:47] <solarbaby> superm1: I use a python script that can be found at sourceforge.net its called xbmcmyth.py
[07:47] <solarbaby> superm1: it is able to schedule TV shows, and watch live tv
[07:48] <solarbaby> superm1: this frontend loads up in a few seconds, so its nice and fast alternatively there is a linux frontend as well which I haven't messed with but Im just about too.. I have a feeling that one will be a very nice graphical interface much like the current mythcd frontend..  we'll see
[07:49] <superm1> yeah i've heard of people doing that.
[07:49] <solarbaby> superm1: well the howtos were very bad.. none of them described the database issue which I have a solution
[07:49] <solarbaby> its a 1 command line solution too
[07:50] <solarbaby> it just changes the mysql password to the old style password so that mysql 4.0 is now compatable with mysql 5.0 and Viola!
[07:50] <superm1> yeah pdragon posted something about that.
[07:50] <superm1> ideally actually
[07:50] <superm1> if that can be scripted
[07:50] <superm1> to read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[07:50] <superm1> and then issue via a python mysql handler
[07:50] <solarbaby> that'd be very cool
[07:50] <superm1> so if you want a script to play with making, there you go :)
[07:51] <superm1> i'm sure lots of people would appreciate that
[07:51] <solarbaby> superm1: not ready to take on a whole lot just yet..  Im still kinda pooped out from the inital 2 weeks of playing with mythtv for the first time in my life
[07:51] <superm1> ah the first time.... i wish i could remember my first time
[07:51] <superm1> :)
[07:51] <solarbaby> superm1: thats right im just a newbie
[07:52] <solarbaby> superm1: I used to depend on GBPVR being the ultimate PVR experience, until I just felt trapped and wanted something more
[07:52] <solarbaby> superm1: its funny everyone on their forum say I tried MythtV but got rid of it for GBPVR, and I did the opposite
[07:54] <solarbaby> superm1: truthfully one of the reasons I started playing with it is the anticipation of XBMC switching to Linux
[07:54] <solarbaby> superm1: I just wanted a head start
[07:54] <superm1> i see.
[07:54] <solarbaby> superm1: I feel lucky as hell to have found you guys
[07:55] <superm1> well i'm hoping that lots more people see the light now
[07:55] <superm1> we're on quite an upward spin i feel
[07:55] <solarbaby> superm1: I find this project incredible..  it wasn't hard to install mythbuntu and if I would have had the information for my specific issues handed to me I could have set everything up in a couple hours
[07:56] <superm1> well the goal is < 30 min....
[07:56] <superm1> but
[07:56] <superm1> that's if you know what you're doing
[07:56] <solarbaby> superm1: newbies look around and make mistakes
[07:56] <superm1> once this install manual is done, that probably should help though
[07:57] <solarbaby> superm1: I need to play with resolution settings next..  I see some scan lines on my recording when theres lots of movement
[07:57] <solarbaby> superm1: maybe its just my onboard video card but I have a feeling its the recording too
[07:59] <superm1> solarbaby, here is a little more updated of a pdf than what DaveMorris pointed you at.  I've added a little to it if you were going t olook before he came back to
[07:59] <superm1> http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/complete-manual.pdf
[07:59] <solarbaby> superm1: Thanks.. I never read the one he sent me I was just too tired..  Now im refreshed
[08:00] <superm1> what pdf reader do you use normally?
[08:00] <superm1> i've been noticing acrobat 8 is getting really washed out images
[08:00] <superm1> but evince shows them fine
[08:00] <solarbaby> superm1: im just about to find out if i even have one.. i'd assume its adobe
[08:00] <solarbaby> superm1: was just booting up my windows computer
[08:01] <solarbaby> superm1: I downloaded but never installed MythDora..  I read something nice about it like they have a utility that makes it super simple to save your database, can we include something like that?
[08:02] <superm1> solarbaby, yeah i think there is a spec for it
[08:02] <superm1> but the database is automatically backed up
[08:02] <superm1> regularly
[08:02] <superm1> there is just no "manual" mechanism right now
[08:03] <solarbaby> superm1: I tried every howto I found on deleting and rebuilding your database and each time I failed
[08:03] <superm1> why were you trying to in the first place?
[08:03] <solarbaby> superm1: I started to write my own howto..  but every attempt failed miserably and involved a reinstall of mythbuntu
[08:03] <solarbaby> superm1: in my first attempts to make my xbox work with myth
[08:04] <superm1> o
[08:04] <solarbaby> superm1: nothing came easy to me my friend
[08:04] <solarbaby> superm1: only the general install of myth was easy
[08:04] <superm1> well for future reference there are two easy ways to do it.
[08:04] <superm1> apt-get remove --purge mythtv-database mysql-server-5.0 && apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop
[08:04] <superm1> apt-get remove --purge mythtv-database mysql-server-5.0 && apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop mythtv-backend-master
[08:04] <superm1> better yet
[08:05] <superm1> or connect to mysql as your root user
[08:05] <superm1> and "DROP mythconverg;"
[08:05] <solarbaby> I did that one
[08:06] <solarbaby> i backed up the database first..  and reinstalling the database never panned out
[08:08] <superm1> that's unfortunate.
[08:08] <solarbaby> Im gunna try the Sumatra PDF reader for windows.. looks interesting
[08:12] <solarbaby> superm1: this complete-manual.pdf is godly
[08:19] <superm1> mind you its mostly DaveMorris' doing
[08:19] <superm1> i've just done the MCC section a bit and the lirc section a bit
[08:19] <solarbaby> superm1: right on..  He's done well..  its a mighty big task
[08:20] <solarbaby> superm1: I will submit to him all my relevent xbox information
[08:20] <superm1> well get it on the forums first, and then it will go to the wiki and then eventually to this
[08:20] <solarbaby> perfect
[08:20] <superm1> i'd like to make sure the information is available to people searching the forums as a top priority
[08:20] <superm1> of things
[08:21] <solarbaby> I'll be a regular here
[08:21] <solarbaby> so not a problem
[08:21] <solarbaby> everytime I posted on the GBPVR which was like 5 times..  I never got any of my problems resolved
[08:22] <superm1> well i'm hoping that everyone in here will be able to keep up with the crowd
[08:22] <superm1> i'm sure it will get pretty busy
[08:22] <solarbaby> superm1: nod
[08:22] <solarbaby> superm1: i'll start helping.. im still a newbie so I try not to mess anyone up just yet
[08:22] <superm1> haha
[08:22] <superm1> well it takes a long time to learn it all :)
[08:23] <solarbaby> superm1: im thinking about buying a AppleTV or something simular to put myth onto..  something that takes far less space and is less noisy then even my Small Form Factor Compaq's and HP's
[08:23] <superm1> i've thought about that too, but eh
[08:23] <solarbaby> superm1: I dunno of MythBuntu will ever be in that chategory but it'd be cool
[08:23] <superm1> i dont spend a lot of time watching it to justify it
[08:23] <superm1> as odd as that is
[08:24] <Wy|laptop> solarbaby: EPIA
[08:24] <Wy|laptop> w/ a CF flash card boot
[08:24] <solarbaby> superm1: heh..  well I'd like to be able to build something like this for friends and family and only spend a day on it if I can help it
[08:24] <solarbaby> superm1: if things go wrong..  ssh right in and update something
[08:25] <gib> Hey, what's the deal with that dagmar guy in mythtv-users?  It's so friendly in here, and that guy just verbally assulted me over an over.  I've never felt so unwelcome in a chatroom.
[08:25] <solarbaby> I've never even seen a user kicked off this channel before
[08:25] <Wy|laptop> okay, bedtime. 'night folks.
[08:26] <solarbaby> Night
[08:26] <superm1> night Wy|laptop
[08:26] <superm1> what happened gib ?
[08:27] <gib> I wish I knew.  :(
[08:27] <gib> I guess he's just a very disagreeable guy.
[08:27] <superm1> well did you say something that offended him?
[08:27] <gib> No.
[08:29] <solarbaby> I wonder if I should use my Plextor ConvertX PVR with my Nslu2 and put a mythbackend together with that
[08:30] <solarbaby> its only got a 233 mhz processer though and 16 megs of ram..  But there is a Howto for installing Myth Backend onto it, and the Plextor capture hardware encloded mpeg-4 so the host cpu requirements are low
[08:31] <gib> He went off because I called xxmc a "driver" because you choose it from the "select video driver" box in xine, etc.   It was the most bizzare thing I've ever seen.
[08:31] <solarbaby> perhaps he couldn't poop all day
[08:31] <gib> Everything I said he pounded on me for not using semantics to his liking.
[08:32] <gib> I felt like I was walking through a mine field.
[08:33] <gib> Is he always like that?  If so, I wouldn't recommend anyone hang out in that room.
[08:40] <gib> Your trying to use a 233 mhz 16mb system for a backend?  Would that break some kind of low-end record?  :)
[08:41] <gib> I've got a couple of 166 mhz notebooks with broken screens.  Maybe I could nudge you out if I plugged in a usb MPEG2 device. :)
[08:41] <superm1> i doubt it.
[08:42] <gib> Otherwise they work pretty well and door stops.
[08:42] <superm1> you'd need usb2
[08:42] <gib> Could put in a pcmica usb2 card.
[08:42] <superm1> good luck finding a 16 bit usb2 pcmcia card
[08:42] <superm1> most of them are cardbus
[08:43] <gib> Doesn't it use relatively low bandwith since with a hardware MPEG2 card the data is send AFTER it's already been encoded?
[08:44] <gib> So USB 1.1 might work?
[08:44] <solarbaby> have you ever seen the NSLU2?  google it
[08:44] <solarbaby> Its $80 or less and it runs linux after you flash the firmware
[08:44] <superm1> i need to get myself a new wrt54g v1-4 or 5L
[08:45] <solarbaby> matter o fact im running my IRSSI Irc program on it.. 24/7
[08:45] <superm1> my old wrt54g v1 broke a few weeks ago
[08:45] <gib> Oh, I have a couple of linux routers 200, and 266 mhz boxes that run great and use less than five watts.
[08:45] <solarbaby> Nslu2 is 10 watts
[08:45] <solarbaby> I really like it.. I should pick up another one
[08:46] <gib> Yeah, I have a wrt54gl and the one that's a step up from that flashed with Xwrt.
[08:46] <solarbaby> If I can make Myth run on it decently I will.. I understand it can't do any heavy processes but if it can timeshift and make a decent recording that'd be nice
[08:46] <gib> That's a thought.  Those little boxes are way cool. :)
[08:47] <gib> What were you running on your wrt54g, superm1?
[08:47] <superm1> openwrt
[08:47] <superm1> one of the older white russian releases
[08:47] <solarbaby> read this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_On_NSLU2
[08:47] <superm1> never upgraded to current since x-wrt didn't work with it
[08:48] <gib> x-wrt is really excellent?  Why wouldn't it work?
[08:48] <superm1> according to the site it didn't work on any of the kamikaze releases
[08:48] <superm1> so i didn't want to push my luck
[08:49] <solarbaby> It pisses me off they dont give their opinion on how well it works
[08:49] <gib> Oh, I'm using it with white russian.  The final kam version will be out soon.
[08:50] <gib> In fact they make all there changes on the kam version and then backport to their stable wr version.
[08:50] <superm1> o didn't realize that
[08:50] <superm1> well i've also got a wr850g that i'm running white russian on
[08:50] <superm1> but its really tight for flash
[08:50] <superm1> so i try to not change it very often
[08:50] <superm1> i've filled that flash one too many times
[08:51] <gib> One of mine is the wrl version, I think with a usb port to plug in a flash card.
[08:51] <DiggThis> superm1: please help, the symbolic links in myth for dvd is screwed up how do i fix?
[08:51] <superm1> how is it screwed up?
[08:51] <superm1> that is populated at boot
[08:52] <gib> Check out the x-wrt room.  The devs are really nice.
[08:53] <DiggThis> superm1: unusually outside of myth the associations are fine but in myth i need to reverse the associations to use the required dvd drive?
[08:53] <DiggThis> weird?
[08:53] <gib> I'd better get to bed.  Goodnight all.
[08:53] <solarbaby> G'night gib
[08:54] <superm1> DiggThis, huh?
[08:54] <superm1> outside they are fine
[08:54] <superm1> but they need to be reversed inside?
[08:54] <superm1> for what app?
[08:54] <DiggThis> superm1: i just noticed it when i tried to use diff dvd drives for diff plugins in myth
[08:55] <DiggThis> so for example scd0 is my first drive but the link /dev/dvd points to scd1
[08:55] <DiggThis> and in mythdvd i have to change so it says /dev/dvd1??
[08:55] <DiggThis> its weird?
[08:55] <superm1> what does the other one point to?
[08:56] <superm1> i'd guess /dev/dvdrw?
[08:57] <DiggThis> first is /dev/dvd1 and points to scd0
[08:57] <DiggThis> second is /dev/dvd and points to scd1
[08:57] <DiggThis> reversed ?
[08:57] <superm1> okay well in myth if you want you can just refer to paths at /dev/disk/by-path/blah
[08:57] <superm1> instead
[08:57] <superm1> so that you explicitly refer to the drive you are wanting to
[08:58] <DiggThis> so u think leave it? and just change myth settings?
[08:58] <superm1> yeah why not?
[08:58] <DiggThis> Have you come across this before could it be a glitch in myth?
[08:58] <superm1> i doubt its a glitch in myth
[08:58] <superm1> the symlinks are made outside myth
[08:59] <DiggThis> Have you heard of this happening before with 2 drives?
[09:00] <DiggThis> Only reason why is cause i have to go through all the associations in mythtv and change them to the required drive.
[09:00] <superm1> can't say i've ran into it before on 2 drives
[09:01] <superm1> but i also haven't setup two drive systems in a while
[09:01] <DiggThis> ok. Could be mythtv itself. I must be one of the only people using a 2 drive config.
[09:02] <DiggThis> ok on another topic can i at all have access to the volume controls outside of mythtv ie on the desktop like ubuntu?
[09:02] <superm1> like i said the symlinks are made outside myth though
[09:02] <superm1> yeah right click your panel
[09:02] <superm1> and hit add to panel
[09:02] <superm1> and there is an audio mixer
[09:03] <DiggThis> thankyou now i have used alsamixer to change sound settings is there an easier way?
[09:04] <superm1> yeah
[09:04] <superm1> that sound mixer in the panel
[09:04] <superm1> opens up a graphical mixer
[09:04] <DiggThis> fo i use default device or other?
[09:04] <DiggThis> do
[09:05] <superm1> that's up to you
[09:05] <DiggThis> what does use startup noti. mean?
[09:06] <superm1> i'm not sure.
[09:06] <DiggThis> k is this apart of gutsy and not mythbuntu?
[09:06] <superm1> a lot of the xfce stuff that we have setup i'm not used to myself
[09:07] <DiggThis> k
[09:07] <superm1> as we just switched over to it and this is my first experiences with gutsy
[09:07] <DiggThis> k
[09:07] <DiggThis> i noticed you added option to defrag xfs file system in control centre. why only this fs?
[09:08] <superm1> i didn't add that, laga did.
[09:08] <DiggThis> k
[09:08] <solarbaby> Ok I dont think Mythtv on the Nslu2 would do anything more then be useful for waking up MythTV Backends so that they can record a show
[09:08] <solarbaby> well they would make good web-schedulers too for Myth
[09:09] <DiggThis> superm1: any possibility of laga adding other fs support u think?
[09:09] <superm1> DiggThis, the archives are frozen.
[09:09] <superm1> nothing else is getting in for gutsy
[09:09] <superm1> i'm just generating the final ISO images tonight.
[09:10] <superm1> DiggThis, but if you would like to see support in hardy, file a spec
[09:10] <DiggThis> k. awesome. How do run a daily defrag myself?
[09:10] <superm1> google it.  i dont know.
[09:10] <superm1> i dont defrag my boxes
[09:10] <DiggThis> fair enough. good answer. lol
[09:11] <DiggThis> good luck with the launch? tomorrow right? Should i see huge differences or just bug fixes tomorrow?
[09:13] <superm1> the launch won't be until early next week.
[09:13] <superm1> need to do last testing on this image
[09:13] <superm1> and make sure nothing was overlooked
[09:13] <superm1> and the docs need to be prepared
[09:13] <superm1> the only differences are the new theme for mythtv, and bug fixes though
[09:14] <solarbaby> superm1: Oh oh ok..  I was hoping you got paid too, cause you spend so much time working on it
[09:14] <DiggThis> awesome. thx for your help in the beta and rc version.
[09:14] <solarbaby> superm1: err
[09:14] <frink_> hey!
[09:14] <frink_> superm1: !
[09:14] <superm1> frink_, hi
[09:15] <solarbaby> superm1: so people get paid to develope Ubuntu.. I didn't realise that..  I thought Fedora were there only linux distro who did stuff like that
[09:15] <frink_> superm1: How are ya?
[09:15] <superm1> solarbaby, canonical does have paid developers
[09:15] <superm1> but not a lot
[09:16] <superm1> frink_, i'm exhausted actually
[09:16] <solarbaby> superm1: nod
[09:16] <superm1> i should actually get to bed
[09:16] <superm1> its getting late.
[09:16] <frink_> superm1: :-( Yeah, I know how ya feel!
[09:16] <superm1> well scratch that.  it got late a few hours ago, it's getting early now
[09:16] <superm1> :)
[09:16] <solarbaby> hahaha
[09:16] <superm1> in which case nn all~
[09:17] <solarbaby> G'night
[09:17] <DiggThis> good luck with the launch again superm1.
[09:17] <solarbaby> Ditto on that
[09:17] <frink_> :)
[09:17] <frink_> me too
[09:22] <solarbaby> So I think its funny the first thing I ever recorded with MythTV was accidently The News broadcasting Chester The Child MOlester was Arrested
[09:23] <solarbaby> I live in the Town that he kidnapped that little girl
[09:27] <frink_> lovely
[09:27] <solarbaby> It was brand new news to me too.. so it was super cool on 2 counts
[09:27] <frink_> where do you live?
[09:28] <solarbaby> Pahrump Nevada
[09:39] <frink_> Pahrump ?
[09:39] <frink_> heh
[09:39] <solarbaby> Yeah its right next to Las Vegas Nevada
[09:39] <solarbaby> its just a shithole of a little town though..
[09:40] <frink_> yeah
[09:40] <frink_> well i wasnt going to say anything but it does sound like a fart
[09:40] <frink_> do you ever have to apologise when you say "paahhrruumpp" ?
[09:41] <solarbaby> Hahahah not yet.. usually they say sorry first
[09:41] <frink_> :)
[09:41] <frink_> So you are using the mythtv ?
[09:43] <solarbaby> Yeah Myth rocks.. im a newbie
[09:43] <solarbaby> I almost gave up the other day.. but then I kept on pushing it until I finally got it working with my hardware
[09:47] <frink_> Yeah sometimes it can be an.. issue. Mine worked fine, but then, I have a way with making things work fine.
[09:47] <frink_> I also have a way with making Windows crash..
[09:48] <solarbaby> hehehe
[09:49] <solarbaby> my USB-Uirt was the hardest trick..  It wanted to work with anybut but Dish Network.. I later found out that Lirc wasn't coded very well to handle the Uirt and so I stopped trying to make the Uirt learn high frequency codes and started my quest to find the right codes elsewhere
[09:49] <frink_> sounds horrid
[09:49] <solarbaby> I also didn't realise that Myth wouldn't record anything unless it thinks it has control of your Satalite or Cable Box
[09:49] <solarbaby> it was a bad time, but I finally got through it
[09:49] <frink_> :)
[09:49] <frink_> all good things come to those who wait
[09:50] <solarbaby> waiting might have been easier
[09:50] <solarbaby> heeh
[09:51] <frink_> but not as much fun!
[09:51] <solarbaby> you have a point.. the satisfaction at the end aint half bad
[09:52] <solarbaby> Oh I remembered where I've heard the name Frink before.. It was a Movie called Merlin
[09:52] <solarbaby> wacky movie I really enjoyed it
[09:52] <frink_> oh really!
[09:52] <frink_> My 'frink' is from a usenet group called alt.fan.lemurs
[09:52] <solarbaby> probably came out like 6 years ago
[09:53] <frink_> i'll look out for Merlin though.
[09:53]  * frink_ googles for a torrent
[09:53] <solarbaby> Frink was a really cool character
[09:53] <frink_> .me torrents merlin
[11:24] <reclusivemonke1> does anyone have any tips on what flags to use in xorg.conf to get a good picture on a TV?
[11:34] <therethinker> Hey
[11:34] <therethinker> nevermind :P
[11:46] <solarbaby> shame..  Mythbuntu doesn't want to load onto my laptop
[11:47] <solarbaby> oh wait.. just need to let it sleep for a while.. now its happy
[11:48] <solarbaby> Im waving goodbye to Windows XP
[12:38] <MythbuntuGuest47>  /nick stevetv
[12:39] <stevetv> even
[12:39] <stevetv> :) ... hello?
[12:59] <Shukuyen> hi all
[14:06] <samson--> yay gusty release
[15:51] <reclusivemonke1> I don't suppose anyone here has a Soungraph iMon remote do they?
[15:54] <reclusivemonke1> I put my Soundgraph VFD in my desktop with Feisty installed and it all worked beautifully on the mythfrontend. Installed it all on the main backend/frontend in Gutsy and nothing! =[
[16:00] <rhpot1991> reclusivemonke1 can't say that I do
[16:00] <rhpot1991> reclusivemonke1 do you still need help with xorg tv out?
[16:07] <reclusivemonke1> rhpot1991: thanks, no I got it working. Although I can't get as nice an output as I used to with edgy :-S
[16:08] <rhpot1991> what kind of card?
[16:09] <reclusivemonke1>  nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]
[16:10] <reclusivemonke1> The fonts used to be really sharp with the OpenGL stuff on. Now they are really edgy. I used to be able to use 720x576 but now it only wants to use 800x600. Well at leasts it working =]
[16:10] <rhpot1991> what are you running now, feisty/gutsy?
[16:10] <reclusivemonke1> gutsy
[16:11] <reclusivemonke1> The xorg.conf I used in Edgy flat out wouldn't work in Gutsy so I had to roll a new one. Neither the nvidia settings or the new gtsy screen would give me a working xorg.conf for TV-Out
[16:13] <rhpot1991> give me a minute
[16:13] <reclusivemonke1> k
[16:15] <rhpot1991> run this: xdpyinfo | grep dots
[16:16] <reclusivemonke1> sorry dude the kids are watching TV right now I will have to do it later =] I will make a note of that though
[16:16] <rhpot1991> should say 100x100
[16:16] <rhpot1991> if not then do this:
[16:16] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifying_DPI_for_NVIDIA_Cards
[16:17] <rhpot1991> here is my xorg.conf if you need to compare anything: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40911/
[16:17] <reclusivemonke1> ah that's excellent, thanks I will give that a go
[16:19] <rhpot1991> sure no problem
[16:21] <reclusivemonke1> I forgot all about the mythtv resources! I should check there for my imon problem. So frustrating it all just worked "out of the tin" in feisty
[16:21] <rhpot1991> it took me a while with reading the nvidia docs and stuff to get my xorg working well
[16:22] <reclusivemonke1> it makes your
[16:22] <rhpot1991> never really came across any this is how you do it documentation, just messed with options till it looks good
[16:22] <reclusivemonke1> xorg fu strong though eh?
[16:22] <reclusivemonke1> BRB
[16:25] <reclusivemonke1> oddly enough the actual TV/recordings look better its just the font readability
[16:25] <rhpot1991> might be the dpi
[16:26] <reclusivemonke1> yeah I think you are onto something there
[16:26] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions#All_my_fonts_look_like_they_are_the_wrong_sizes.2C_how_can_I_correct_this.3F
[16:26] <reclusivemonke1> I'll have a quick try while the kids are eating tea ;-)
[16:31] <reclusivemonke1> that's certainly improved things but its still not as sharp as it used to be :-S
[16:32] <rhpot1991> might be your resolution?
[16:32] <rhpot1991> since its different than it was
[16:32] <rhpot1991> you know when you make changes to xorg, you can hit ctrl+alt+bckspc to reboot x right?
[16:33] <reclusivemonke1> well I used to use 720x576 but this won't work now. All I can get it 800x600. Yep I have been doing a lot of that over the past few days!
[16:34] <rhpot1991> 720x576 is a strange resolution, is it PAL?
[16:34] <reclusivemonke1> yeah. Its a widescreen TV, but it doesn't seem to like widescreen resolutions
[16:35] <rhpot1991> you found the widescreen checkbox in mythtv right?
[16:36] <reclusivemonke1> its for xinerama isn't it?
[16:37] <reclusivemonke1> I did try it anyway it didn't make any difference
[16:37] <rhpot1991> I thought there was some checkbox in mythtv to say that you are running widescreen
[16:37] <rhpot1991> I'm not positive though, as I don't have a widescreen tv
[16:39] <rhpot1991> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.19/README/chapter-16.html
[16:39] <rhpot1991> might be of some use to you
[16:40] <rhpot1991> also, if you look at my xorg, go down to the part where I have these lines: Modes      "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[16:40] <rhpot1991> add the "720x576" into there and reboot x and it should let you use that resolution
[16:41] <reclusivemonke1> I read the link you gave; its where I got most of my info from. I did add 720x576, and xorg reports it as a usable resolution; however when X starts, the TV is just black
[16:42] <rhpot1991> did you check your xorg logs to see if there are any other errors?
[16:43] <MythbuntuGuest06> anyone have tips or tricks to get an ATI Remote Wonder II working?
[16:46] <rhpot1991> I might be making up that widescreen checkbox, I can't seem to find it
[16:46] <rhpot1991> are your fonts blurry gnome or just mythtv?
[16:46] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest06 sorry I don't, not many people here right now either
[16:47] <reclusivemonke1> gnome
[16:47] <reclusivemonke1> too
[16:48] <MythbuntuGuest06> yeah, I see that
[16:48] <MythbuntuGuest06> I think I found a good tutorial though
[16:48] <MythbuntuGuest06> gonna try it out
[16:48] <MythbuntuGuest06> *crosses fingers*
[16:48] <rhpot1991> has to be your resolution then
[16:48] <reclusivemonke1> you know I have a funny feeling it's the nvidia driver
[16:49] <reclusivemonke1> I seem to recall back in Edgy I tried a later nvidia version and got a poorer screen than I had
[16:50] <rhpot1991> thats an older card
[16:50] <rhpot1991> might be why
[16:50] <reclusivemonke1> yeah. I am wondering if I might try an older nvidia driver and see if that works
[16:51] <rhpot1991> I thought I remembered seeing them have a legacy driver
[16:51] <rhpot1991> for older cards
[16:51] <rhpot1991> nvidia-glx-legacy
[16:52] <rhpot1991> also appears to be an nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new driver in apt
[16:52] <rhpot1991> might want to post on the forums asking which you should use for your card
[16:52] <pdragon> i think legacy is for ones older than like a GF2
[16:52] <reclusivemonke1> its currently using nvidia-glx
[16:52] <pdragon> legacy is like really old cards
[16:52] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[16:53] <reclusivemonke1> I was thinking of one of the archive drivers from the nvidia site; they have them all
[16:53] <pdragon> i could be wrong tho. double-check :)
[16:53] <rhpot1991> ya, double check in the forums and mention your widescreen resolution problem
[16:53] <rhpot1991> maybe someone who deals with that stuff will know what to do
[16:53] <reclusivemonke1> the mythtv forums?
[16:54] <rhpot1991> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[16:54] <rhpot1991> I would try
[16:55] <reclusivemonke1> ah right. I will see. I've notched up over 1k answers there so I am due an answer myself ;-)
[16:55] <rhpot1991> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=578696&highlight=gutsy+widescreen
[16:55] <rhpot1991> might help
[16:57] <reclusivemonke1> pdragon: do you have any experience with lirc?
[16:57] <rhpot1991> basically I am seeing people say modify your xorg.conf or run nvidia-settings and change it in there
[16:58] <pdragon> unfortunately no
[16:58] <reclusivemonke1> lol I would touch nvidia-settings with a ten foot pool. I royally screwed with my xorg.conf
[16:58] <reclusivemonke1> wouldn't*
[16:58] <pdragon> solarbaby has been doing a lot of fiddling with it lately tho
[16:58] <rhpot1991> I have done hauppauge cards with lirc, thats about it
[16:59] <reclusivemonke1> I'll keep an eye on solarbaby then ;-). I had it all working beautifully on my desktop which was a feisty frontend only
[17:00] <reclusivemonke1> I can't seem to get mythlcdserver working either, but I am not sure whether I want to use that really, I think I can more useful stuff displayed on the LCD with lcdproc
[17:00] <rhpot1991> reclusivemonke1 have you install ubuntu-control-centre?
[17:02] <reclusivemonke1> um, not sure; is that part of the normal gutsy install?
[17:02] <rhpot1991> not sure
[17:03] <rhpot1991> it has an lirc generator though, might help out
[17:03] <reclusivemonke1> you mean mythbuntu-control-centre?
[17:03] <rhpot1991> I haven't used it though, so I can't help much with it...
[17:03] <rhpot1991> ya
[17:04] <reclusivemonke1> yeah I have that. Its not a problem with the lirc.conf though; I just can't get anything to get a signal from the remote; mode2 and irw just don't see anything
[17:04] <rhpot1991> what remote?
[17:04] <reclusivemonke1> its an imon PAD remote
[17:05] <pdragon> bleh... my usual ubuntu download mirror is gettin slammed today. can't do torrents where i am now either
[17:05] <reclusivemonke1> http://www.soundgraph.com/Eng_/Products/imon21.aspx?topMenu=2&subMenu=1&leftMenu=21
[17:05] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Imon
[17:06] <rhpot1991> do a sudo modprobe lirc_dev and sudo modprobe imon_pad
[17:07] <rhpot1991> then sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[17:07] <rhpot1991> then try irw again
[17:07] <reclusivemonke1> they are both loaded
[17:08] <rhpot1991> hmmmm
[17:08] <reclusivemonke1> oo, no, sorry imon_pad isn't...
[17:08] <rhpot1991> ah there
[17:09] <reclusivemonke1> AH! I don't have the imon_pad module...
[17:09] <rhpot1991> you can add them to /etc/modules to get them to load at boot
[17:09] <reclusivemonke1> now I am onto something! thanks for that tip off!
[17:09] <rhpot1991> sure
[17:10] <rhpot1991> lirc-modules-source might help out
[17:10] <rhpot1991> I'm off to lunch, good luck
[17:11] <reclusivemonke1> have a nice lunch dude many thanks for your help =]
[17:14] <frink_> wow I got like 30Mb/s on a bit torrent download of the new ubuntu
[17:38] <superm1> reclusivemonke1, rhpot1991  no lirc modules need to be (or can be) compiled for gutsy
[17:38] <superm1> they are all shipped with the kernel image
[17:38] <superm1> in linux-ubuntu-modules
[17:39] <superm1> the module that you are looking for is called lirc_imon
[17:40] <superm1> that is entirely a typo on that page
[17:40] <reclusivemonke1> dam superm1. I wonder why my imon completely refuses to work then?
[17:41] <superm1> reclusivemonke1, are you using the lirc_imon module then?
[17:41] <reclusivemonke1> yeah. That's why I was sure I had seen it
[17:41] <frink_> hey superm1
[17:41] <superm1> mornin
[17:42] <frink_> heh
[17:43] <reclusivemonke1> do you have any suggestions then superm1?
[17:44] <reclusivemonke1> short of recompiling lirc from source I don't know what else I can try
[17:44] <superm1> lirc 0.8.2 is included in gutsy
[17:45] <superm1> those patches are just for mouse support
[17:45] <superm1> from lirc
[17:45] <reclusivemonke1> yeah but my imon remote is completely refusing to work. I don't get any errors that I can see, imon is listed in lsusb but even mode2 and irw don't show anything when I try the remote
[17:46] <superm1> when you installed lirc, you chose the imon device?
[17:46] <superm1> or what'd you choose?
[17:46] <reclusivemonke1> Yes, I chose the imon VFD/PAD I believe it was. The lirc.conf looks right as it has all the buttons
[17:47] <reclusivemonke1> It all worked out of the box in feisty when I tried it on my desktop
[17:48] <superm1> well have you tried doing a diff on the lircd.conf on this site and /etc/lirc/lircd.conf installed
[17:48] <superm1> to make sure that they are indeed the same?
[17:48] <reclusivemonke1> nope, but I thought mode2 didn't even look at the lirc.conf?
[17:49] <superm1> there is no file called lirc.conf
[17:49] <superm1> its /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[17:50] <superm1> i've never had to use mode2
[17:50] <superm1> so consequently, i don't know much about it
[17:50] <reclusivemonke1> mode2 simply looks at what is coming from the remote. Its the quickest and easiest way to see if a remote is working
[17:51] <superm1> well you've made sure the module is loading?
[17:51] <superm1> checked dmesg
[17:51] <superm1> and the like
[17:52] <reclusivemonke1> yep done all that. I can't find any errors
[17:52] <reclusivemonke1> all the modules are loaded
[17:52] <reclusivemonke1> imon shows up in lsusb
[17:53] <superm1> well i'm really not sure then.
[17:53] <reclusivemonke1> this is why the only thing I could think to do was to try compiling lirc from source
[17:55] <superm1> well i'll warn you that if you compile from source without placing it in a proper debian package, you will run into some other oddities in terms of where things are placed on the filesystem
[17:55] <superm1> mcc probably won't work correctly anymore.
[17:55] <reclusivemonke1> tbh if it works I don't care. what is mcc?
[17:55] <superm1> $mcc
[17:56] <superm1> therethinker, where is your freaking bot?
[17:56] <reclusivemonke1> mythbuntu control centre?
[17:56] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/image/tid/4
[17:56] <superm1> yeah
[17:57] <superm1> so if you're going to go building from source, i'd recommend apt-get source lirc
[17:57] <reclusivemonke1> no offence, but its not really offered me anything helpful. Its taken me longer to install and get mythtv working than last time I did it all by hand. That's not to detract from mcc, it's a great project but there are so many tweaks I have to do to get mythtv working I am better off dealing with the individual components myself
[17:57] <superm1> and applying your patches as necessary
[17:57] <superm1> and then using debuild
[17:58] <reclusivemonke1> meh I tried to build debian packages before and it fried my brain :-S
[17:59] <therethinker> hey
[17:59] <superm1> reclusivemonke1, what's taken longer to get up and running?  It's all preinstalled from the iso?
[18:01] <reclusivemonke1> Well firstly the ISO wouldn't even boot for me. All I know is last time I installed on Edgy I did it in a couple of hours. I took me much longer than that this time. Granted, I have some tweaks which no one in mythbuntu can do anything about such as mythtv not being able to unmute my TV card
[18:01] <superm1> reclusivemonke1, did you sort out why the iso wouldn't boot?
[18:02] <reclusivemonke1> superm1: no. I reported it in Launchpad. I burned three disks and that was all I was prepared to do. I have two kids who need the "TV" working so I'm afraid I can't spend too long bug testing =]
[18:03] <superm1> oh were you the one with the MBR 999999999 error?
[18:03] <reclusivemonke1> yeah but that was a red herring. the l 99 99 was an error from the wrong hd trying to boot after the cd-rom failed
[18:04] <superm1> ah i see.
[18:04] <superm1> that's still very odd.
[18:04] <superm1> well should you have been able to get things to boot and install, its a very painless process from that disk
[18:04] <reclusivemonke1> yeah; I burned a Gutsy CD right after and it booted fine. I also tried an Xbuntu which worked no problems
[18:05] <superm1> i'd be curious if the final iso acted the same way
[18:06] <reclusivemonke1> superm1: yeah but I still have to fix my tv card issues. I still have to install XMLTV and pick out my poorly lonely four terrestrial channels. I still have to manually set up alsa to record from the line in. I still have to roll xorg.conf by hand to get my TV-Out working
[18:06] <reclusivemonke1> superm1: I will certainly try the final ISO to see if it boots when I get chance
[18:07] <reclusivemonke1> BTW, I tried reporting my TVCard issue to the mythTV people. I got flamed to hell.
[18:07] <superm1> ah i see what you mean by the manual tweaks though with that stuff you listed
[18:07] <superm1> why'd you get flamed?
[18:08] <reclusivemonke1> Because I dared to suggest that mythtv couldn't unmute my TV card. TVTime does it fine, so I use v4lctl to unmute it at boot
[18:09] <superm1> that's odd..
[18:09] <reclusivemonke1> lol not really, not from my experience of the internet. I wasn't going to bother as I could of predicted the reaction, but justy recommend I do and he is a pretty prominent member on the mythtv forums or was then
[18:11] <reclusivemonke1> Its an analogue card; the impression they gave was that it wasn't worth bothering with and/or had to be my fault. I though Linux was all about getting more life out of old hardware. I even have a digital TV pci card but where I live won't get a digital TV singal until 2011!
[19:21] <reclusivemonke1> I can only presume this means iMON is loading ok? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1014/
[19:38] <superm1> looks right
[19:39] <reclusivemonke1> at least I'm not missing anything obvious then :-S
[19:40] <reclusivemonke1> I checked the config as well, that looks right too. I still get nothing from irw though.
[19:40] <reclusivemonke1> I might just install Feisty tomorrow. I know it all works in there at least.
[20:45] <reclusivemonke1> well I've made a post on the Ubuntu forums; maybe someone can shed some light on the imon issue
[21:56] <therethinker> $mythbot
[21:56] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[21:57] <reclusivemonke1> $
[21:57] <mythbot> IndexError: list index out of range (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/help.py", line 26, in f_chelp)
[21:57] <reclusivemonke1> $lirc
[21:57] <mythbot> LIRC is a program that allows you to use remote controls and IR blasters
[21:57] <reclusivemonke1> $imon
[21:57] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "imon", sorry.
[21:57] <reclusivemonke1> tell me something I don't know...
[21:58] <Dawson64> lol
[22:39]  * tgm4883 kicks therethinker
[22:39] <tgm4883> wake up, your mythbot is dead again
[22:39] <therethinker> itsIts there
[22:39] <therethinker> See?
[22:39] <therethinker> $mythbot
[22:39] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[22:39]  * tgm4883 recalls that mythbot dies daily and wonders if it is running windows
[22:40] <therethinker> Hmm... I should investigate...
[22:40] <therethinker> nope, its ubuntu fiesty
[22:40] <therethinker> server edition
[22:41] <tgm4883> $die
[22:41] <mythbot> I die frequently.  It's my prerogative.
[22:41] <therethinker> XD
[22:41] <tgm4883> yep sounds about right
[22:42] <therethinker> $tgm4883
[22:42] <mythbot> tgm4883 is a Mythbuntu developer
[22:42] <therethinker> $tgm4883 something
[22:42] <mythbot> I'll make sure tgm4883 knows he needs to something
[22:42] <therethinker> $tgm4883 do something
[22:42] <mythbot> I'll make sure tgm4883 knows he needs to do something
[22:42] <therethinker> I think it dies 'cuz you poke it too much :P
[22:42] <tgm4883> $die
[22:42] <mythbot> I die frequently.  It's my prerogative.  Watch out though, one of these day's i'm taking ubotu with me.
[22:42] <therethinker> Hmm...
[22:42] <therethinker> $jasd
[22:42] <therethinker> $sfa
[22:42] <therethinker> $asdf
[22:43] <therethinker> $asdfa
[22:43] <tgm4883> that sounds like a threat
[22:43] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "Jásd is a village in Veszprém county, Hungary." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasd
[22:43] <therethinker> :P
[22:43] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "sfa", sorry.
[22:43] <mythbot> Sorry, I neither I or ubotu knew, but Wikipedia says: "'Home row' is a term that refers to certain keys of the center row of alphabetical letters on a typewriter or computer keyboard." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asdf
[22:43] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "asdfa", sorry.
[22:43] <tgm4883> uh ok
[22:43] <therethinker> Very... interesting...
[22:43] <therethinker> I was trying to take ubotu down with it :P
[22:43] <tgm4883> yay for ubuntu
[22:43] <therethinker> :D
[22:44] <tgm4883> repos are kinda slow
[22:44] <therethinker> Yeah
[22:44] <therethinker> You need to scan them -- find the best one
[22:44] <tgm4883> yea probably
[22:44] <therethinker> I had to switch to this canadian one
[22:44] <tgm4883> canadian a?
[22:44] <therethinker> It wasn't working at all for me
[22:45] <therethinker> ubuntu.mirror.rafal.ca
[22:45] <Daviey> *cough* http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/
[22:45] <tgm4883> eh, thats UK, noone wants to go there
[22:45] <therethinker> I know
[22:45] <therethinker> $uk
[22:46] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[22:46] <therethinker> $uk
[22:47] <mythbot> The UK? Why would anyone ever want to go there?
[22:47]  * tgm4883 moves into the -dev channel
[22:48] <therethinker> Good plan..
[23:04] <MythbuntuGuest69> hello, i dont know if it is you i shall tell it to, i think mythbuntu is a great project, i have used mythtv for long time. yesterday i broke some depencies, then i tried your project, and it is really easy to install. but i fount two things ordinary users might be missing. lcdproc autoconfiguration. and configuration if two lirc devices are present, for excample in antec fusion, where the volume knob is an lirc devic
[23:05] <williammanda> Hey guys
[23:06] <williammanda> how is everything?
[23:07] <williammanda> can i upgrade to 7.10 through admin and mythtv be ok?
[23:07] <tgm4883> what are you using right now?
[23:07] <williammanda> 7.04 ubuntu and the latest mythtv
[23:08] <MythbuntuGuest69> hello, i dont know if it is you i shall tell it to, i think mythbuntu is a great project, i have used mythtv for long time. yesterday i broke some depencies, then i tried your project, and it is really easy to install. but i fount two things ordinary users might be missing. lcdproc autoconfiguration. and configuration if two lirc devices are present, for excample in antec fusion, where the volume knob is an lirc devic
[23:10] <tgm4883> williammanda, i believe you'll be fine
[23:10] <tgm4883> stand alone system?
[23:11] <williammanda> i have 4 computers using mythtv
[23:11] <tgm4883> ah
[23:12]  * tgm4883 smacks therethinker
[23:13] <therethinker> $slap tgm4883
[23:13] <mythbot> /me slaps tgm4883
[23:14] <williammanda> are you still thinking about it or is the upgrade going to be ok for the 4 computers?
[23:16] <tgm4883> it should be fine, although if they are stand alone systems i'm not sure I would upgrade just to upgrade
[23:17] <tgm4883> i've always been a fan of backup and reinstall anyway.  But maybe i'm just set in my ways :)
[23:17] <williammanda> all 4 are on the same mythtv network
[23:18] <williammanda> i don't want to lose the recorded shows and the database
[23:23] <williammanda> mythbuntu 7.10 is the same mythtv version correct? Just setup for 7.10 installation?
[23:23] <tgm4883> yes
[23:25] <williammanda> ok...upgrading one of them now....
[23:49] <DaveMorris> solarbaby: hows that xboxfrontend howto coming along?