[01:58] <desertc> Inkscape did not end up saving very well, I had to resort to GIMP
[10:24] <Clarke_> Hi there
[21:32] <desertc> I would like someone with artistic abilities to help me with my ubuntu promotional poster.
[21:34] <desertc> I have it pretty close to done, but it needs about an hour's work from someone who is good with drawing on the computer.


[00:22] <krj7709> Hello everybody!
[00:23] <krj7709> I need a little help with Ubuntu Server 17.04 setting Bind9 up to work with Apparmor if anyone can spare a few mins pls msg me
[00:24] <sarnold> are you getting any DENIED messages in your dmesg?
[00:25] <krj7709> well I want to setup bind9 to work with apparmor but I have no clue on how to tell bind which directories to use
[00:26] <sarnold> just configure bind however you normally would
[00:41] <nacc> cpaelzer: sigh, it took all day, but i think i finally got our snap to use pristine-tar and gbp (from upstream) only (not using the system one). I just pushed to master so it should build shortly. Meanwhile, i'm doing a virt-manager import from scratch on my VM at home now with basically nothing but git-ubuntu installed
[00:45] <nacc> rbasak: i'm starting to think, even though we're a classic snap, that our snap application wrapper scripts should not use any system paths at all (right now they prepend to the system paths, if set). Thoughts?
[00:45] <nacc> rbasak: our intention is we have all the deps in the snap, so that mostly allows workarounds.
[00:45] <nacc> rbasak: i'd test it in my vm first, as well, just to be sure we don't happen to need some system dependency that's not correctly expressed in the snap
[00:45] <nacc> rbasak: but right now, my VM doesn't even have git installed and it's working :)
[01:07] <nacc> rbasak: also, perhaps i should import your ssh key(s) to the bastion, so you have a snap-based place to import from?
[05:33] <cpaelzer> good morning
[05:34] <cpaelzer> nacc: sad to hear that it turned out so complex
[05:34] <nacc> cpaelzer: so virt-manager imported except patches-applied (in my vm)
[05:35] <nacc> cpaelzer: try it yourself, if you can, and you can use --skip-applied if need be
[05:35] <nacc> cpaelzer: i'll check in again tmrw
[05:40] <cpaelzer> nacc: you didn't push that right?
[05:40] <cpaelzer> nacc: a clone now did still point ubuntu-devel to 1.3.x
[05:40]  * cpaelzer importing locally
[05:45] <cpaelzer> nacc: with and without the --skip-applied I fail at the verify step with ambiguous argument
[05:46] <cpaelzer> let me ensure the snap is refreshed and/or run it in a VM/Container
[05:59] <cpaelzer> nacc: the latest snap in artful with and without --skip-applied is failing on the ambiguous error
[05:59] <cpaelzer> trying from git now
[06:10] <cpaelzer> nacc: still the same from git
[06:10] <cpaelzer> nacc: but please go to bed
[06:11] <cpaelzer> nacc: I can provide a valid upload tag commiting onto the last upload-tag and ignore importing "for now"
[06:11] <cpaelzer> nacc: I'll file a bug thou so we can keep track
[06:39] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:56] <Krj7709> Hello! Can someone take a couple minutes and help me troubleshoot samba. Ubuntu Server 17.04 (base system tools, Budgie desktop, Bind9)
[08:06] <lordievader> What is the problem?
[09:18] <imraan> Hi I need a help on the Libvirt Snapshot mangement
[09:20] <cpaelzer> imraan: any more details
[09:22] <imraan>      I am using the Command: virsh snapshot-create-as --domain MWIF_18 bkp2_2017-08-31_<IP_ADDRESS>6080 --disk-only --atomic --no-metadata to create the snapshot    To commit I am using the command:   virsh blockcommit MWIF_18 vda --active --pivot --shallow --verbose --timeout 120      But sometimes i am observing the error like below what is the reason how do i recover:   Error:   1. : block copy still active: disk 'vdb' alread
[09:22] <parlos> Good Morning, I've got a question wrt. Landscape (standalone) and MAAS. My aim is to use autopilot to deploy OpenStack. In my initial MAAS node commisoned nodes, i only had single nics. Landscape/Autopilot complained, so I hooked up one more network, recommissioned that node. However, Landscape/Autopilot did not detect the change. So I then removed the node, and started it from scratch, and commissioned it.. MAAS detected the new network automat
[09:23] <imraan> @cpaelzer I had posted my scenario
[09:23] <imraan> any help is greatly appreciated
[09:25] <imraan>   FOR WORKAROUND: 	Currently using below: 		virsh blockjob MWIF_18 /mnt/alcm/packages/MWIF_100018/MWIF_18/MWIF_100018.bkp2_2017-08-31_<IP_ADDRESS>6080  --abort 		virsh blockcommit MWIF_18 vda --active --pivot --shallow --verbose --timeout 120 		But this also dont work all the time
[09:26] <imraan> @cpaelzer: Got my question?
[09:26] <cpaelzer> yeah just a second
[09:26] <imraan> Okies..waiting
[09:29] <Odd_Bloke> parlos: Your message got cut off at "MAAS detected the new network automat".
[09:29] <cpaelzer> imraan: if you have long tests/log s to share use pastebinit
[09:29] <parlos> ... , but still L/A complains. It seems that L/A does not check/is not updated that the MAAS nodes have changed.. Any pointers?
[09:29] <cpaelzer> and report the link
[09:30] <cpaelzer> sry I meant parlos with the latter
[09:30] <imraan> okies
[09:31] <parlos> cpaelzer link to what?
[09:33] <cpaelzer> parlos: if you have a long log/text you can do like "cat log  | pastebinit" which gives you a link
[09:33] <parlos> Thnx
[09:33] <cpaelzer> parlos: then on caht you can "hey I have a maas question ...link"
[09:34] <cpaelzer> imraan: I assume that is on Xenial?
[09:35] <parlos> Hey, I've got a maas/landscape question: https://pastebin.com/kxvD67SJ
[09:35] <imraan> cpaelzer: I am using ubuntu release: 16.04 LTS
[09:35] <parlos> :)
[09:35] <cpaelzer> yeah ok
[09:35] <cpaelzer> imraan: once in the "bad" state does it resolve over time or is that job always considered active?
[09:36] <imraan> cpaelzer: it is always considered active.
[09:37] <cpaelzer> imraan: is that a production environment or better "how much debug can you do"?
[09:37] <cpaelzer> there were a few related simimlar issues
[09:37] <cpaelzer> but so far all ended non reproducible enough to finally solve them
[09:38] <imraan> cpaelzer: It is not resolved over time.... After applying workaround only i am able to recover...
[09:38] <cpaelzer> I have a few (now outdated but still testable) xenial libvirt builds, obviously testing on newer Ubuntu would be great - but that depends a lot on your case (how often it triggers and how mcuh you can do)
[09:38] <cpaelzer> that is why I ask "how much" you can debug that
[09:38] <imraan> cpaelzer: In my environment i have 2 servers in one server it is continously reproducible
[09:40] <imraan> cpaelzer: Can u give me direction how to debug further...I am just struck not able to know where to check further
[09:41] <imraan> cpaelzer: If u can give me guidance on which logs or some steps to execute i can try out and get u back the inputs needed
[09:41] <cpaelzer> imraan: let me collect a few things what you could do
[09:41] <imraan> okies
[09:45] <imraan> let me know what all things u need
[09:45] <cpaelzer> none yet, I try to repro the crap I want to recommend before leading to you bullsh§$%
[09:47] <imraan> cpaelzer: Okies
[09:53] <cpaelzer> imraan: lets start comparing what libvirt and qemu think on active block jobs
[09:53] <cpaelzer> I assume the issue is only on vdb as you reported, please go to others as well if needed
[09:53] <cpaelzer> the libvirt view would be
[09:53] <cpaelzer> virsh blockjob <guestname> vdb --info
[09:54] <cpaelzer> while we can "ask" qemu what it thinks with
[09:54] <cpaelzer> virsh qemu-monitor-command --pretty <guestname> '{ "execute": "query-block-jobs" }'
[09:54] <cpaelzer> imraan: ^^
[09:54] <imraan> cpaelzer: the issue is not only with vdb it is with many other volumes also..
[09:55] <imraan> i had just posted the sample
[09:55] <cpaelzer> imraan: I guess it is a race of some sort
[09:55] <cpaelzer> imraan: when you have the issue again, you can check with those commands
[09:55] <cpaelzer> imraan: and from there one can debug/think further
[09:56] <cpaelzer> imraan: if you have a test environment that you could use to recreate you could do so until you feel that you have a way to 100% recreate - once you did you could try https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2620 and https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2619
[09:56] <imraan> okies...u have any idea on which scenrio the blocking of jobs can happen....if some operations ongoing on the volume os that sort?
[09:56] <cpaelzer> those contain (now outdated) libirt builds around a similar issue
[09:56] <cpaelzer> so you'd need to downgrade
[09:57] <cpaelzer> but it makes no sense to try these if you are not convinced to have a way to "from fresh sys to 100% sure to repreoduce"
[09:58] <cpaelzer> imraan: it is just a thought/theory - but on the test builds it was about soe jobs not being considered jobs
[09:58] <cpaelzer> imraan: so they could race against each other
[09:59] <cpaelzer> imraan: but backporting the fix is very invasive, so without a way to reproduce/test that isn't going to SRU
[09:59] <cpaelzer> imraan: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_39a8dbb93caf4ec889f8a1b7f69885db/bileto-2619/2017-03-21_11:13:47/xenial_libvirt_content.diff
[10:01] <cpaelzer> imraan: and OTOH the fix is available in any later release (without the uncertainty to accidentially breaking a lot of people on upgrades=
[10:01] <cpaelzer> imraan: and many people use the Ubuntu Cloud Archive, so even on 16.04 they are on newer qemu/libvirt levels quite often
[10:01] <cpaelzer> imraan: anyway - sorry that this is no easy "do this and you are good" case
[10:02] <cpaelzer> imraan: I hope that will help to get better info next time
[10:02] <cpaelzer> imraan: in case my response latency is very high, I'm soon out for lunch
[10:05] <imraan> Thanks cpaelzer..
[10:05] <imraan> For ur inputs
[10:07] <imraan> I will further check on this have ur lunch... :)
[13:20] <TafThorne> Should the fsck option from the recovery menu be failing becasuse I have a Samba / cifs mount in my /etc/fstab file?  It seems that it tries to mount everything read-only, cannot do a DNS lookup on my cifs server, then fails.
[13:27] <lordievader> Is the entry marked to be checked?
[13:42] <frickler> openstack folk: what is the intended difference between xenial/pike and xenial-updates/pike in UCA? most deployers seem to use only the latter, but that is lagging behind currently. see e.g. https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/docker/base/sources.list.ubuntu#L13
[13:43] <frickler> the updates column here looks pretty red, too: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/pike_versions.html
[13:44] <frickler> jamespage: coreycb: ^^
[13:45] <jamespage> frickler: yes we've not release yet
[13:45] <jamespage> frickler: xenial-proposed/pike has latest atm
[13:45] <jamespage> frickler: cpaelzer and I are working on a libvirt hang that we really don't want to push to -updates :-)
[13:46] <TafThorne> lordievader: the recovery menu seems to claim it makrs everything to be checked.
[13:46] <frickler> jamespage: so with the release, xenial-updates would get synced and people installing only from there will be correct again?
[13:46] <jamespage> frickler: yes
[13:46] <frickler> jamespage: great, thanks for clarifying
[13:46] <lordievader> TafThorne: It shouldn't, I get the feeling every entry is simply marked to be checked.
[13:47] <lordievader> TafThorne: Did you read the documentation of fstab?
[13:50] <TafThorne> lordievader: when I added the cifs share 2 years ago I probably did. I iwll give it another look
[13:53] <TafThorne> lordievader: my sixth field is set to 0.  fsck should be leaving the network mount alone..
[13:54] <TafThorne> the / mount point is 1 so it should be getting checked first.  Maybe it only takes a couple of seconds and I am missin git?
[13:54] <lordievader> Hmm, indeed. That would suggest it does not get checked.
[13:55] <lordievader> Does it succeed if the entry is commented?
[14:21] <TafThorne> lordievader: I'll give that a check this evening.  Rebooting my main machine is rather disruptive in office time.
[14:40] <nacc> cpaelzer: sorry, i meant to say, also use --no-fetch
[14:41] <nacc> cpaelzer: i did get some failures from the cron job, i'm guessing related to what you see
[15:18] <cpaelzer> nacc: ok, thanks for the info
[16:12] <heistheDude> hello. i need some help installing python anaconda in my ubuntu x64
[16:20] <andol> heistheDude: https://docs.continuum.io/anaconda/install/linux.html looks fairly straightforward? What issues are you running into?
[16:26] <jamespage> cpaelzer: ok revised a little - but I think this works OK - http://paste.ubuntu.com/25439408/
[16:27] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I just revert back to always doing the deferred processing path
[16:35] <jamespage> coreycb: cpaelzer: https://launchpad.net/~james-page/+archive/ubuntu/libvirt-testing has the patched version for Xenial
[16:37] <heistheDude> andol, i did this exactly still i cannot see anaconda in the application list
[16:43] <coreycb> jamespage: that seems to do the trick! i made it through 20 hard reboots without a problem.
[16:44] <heistheDude> how can i run installed anaconda software in terminal?
[16:44] <jamespage> coreycb: basically I ripped out the in-context call that caused the problem and switched back to deferred calling which works OK
[16:44] <jamespage> I think
[16:45] <coreycb> jamespage: seems like a good work-around at least until upstream has something better
[16:45] <jamespage> coreycb: cpaelzer: patch attached to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1714254
[16:50] <jamespage> coreycb: i get a clean tempest smoke with that patched version installed
[16:50] <coreycb> jamespage: excellent
[17:03] <nacc> rbasak: figured out the issue, i think
[17:04] <nacc> or a issue, at least :)
[17:08] <nacc> rbasak: stupid typo on my part
[17:10] <rbasak> nacc: ah. The hardest type of bug to debug :)
[17:12] <andol> heistheDude: Well, that installation page mentions the command "conda list". Can you run that from the terminal?
[17:17] <heistheDude> no andol
[17:17] <heistheDude> says conda command not found
[17:19] <andol> heistheDude: What about step #9?
[17:20] <heistheDude> that workss fine.
[17:20] <heistheDude> source ~/.bashrc i mean
[17:21] <heistheDude> program is getting installed fine, but i cannot find it anywhere
[17:33] <nacc> heistheDude: you ran exactly those steps?
[17:43] <joeyjoerobinson> Will live kernel patches feature be in the community version of Ubuntu server?  Looks like its a Canonical service 'paid' https://www.ubuntu.com/server/livepatch
[17:46] <nacc> joeyjoerobinson: as mentioned on that page (perhaps in the video) you get 3 free machines
[17:46] <nacc> joeyjoerobinson: and it's already available, afaik
[17:47] <joeyjoerobinson> Yeah, I mean truly free. Not paid after 3
[17:47] <nacc> joeyjoerobinson: no
[17:47] <nacc> joeyjoerobinson: not afaik
[17:47] <nacc> joeyjoerobinson: also not entirely sure what you mean by 'community version'? there is only one ubuntu server. that there is a canonical supported stack above it doesn't change that (afaics)
[17:49] <joeyjoerobinson> nacc the Canonical supported version offers this as a PAID feature.  It should be obvious that I am looking to know if it will be a feature that is supported by the Ubuntu community without any requirement of payment
[17:50] <nacc> joeyjoerobinson: as i said, the community has 3 free
[17:53] <joeyjoerobinson> That sux and is antithetical to FOSS.
[19:01] <madLyfe> tried installing server on an old laptop and it couldn't find the CD ROM. in this case it has a CD ROM but then the rest of the install goes to shit.
[19:02] <madLyfe> why does it need a CD ROM? never had that issue on other server boards without a CD ROM.
[19:06] <tomreyn> it needs a cdrom if you're installing from a cdrom
[19:07] <Ussat> Yea....nothing should EVER cahrge for anything...it all should be free.......damm those developers who want to eat....
[19:08] <Ussat> what a moron
[19:08] <tomreyn> Ussat: ? looks like #ubuntu-offtopic to me
[19:08] <Ussat> Yea well...fair buff
[19:08] <Ussat> fair nuff
[19:10] <madLyfe> in installing from USB drive. and I'm not fully installing I'm just trying to see if the installer recognizes my new USB Ethernet adapter
[19:10] <genii> It can't boot to USB stick?
[19:10] <tomreyn> madLyfe: if you're seeking help with this issue, you should describe more closely how you installed, which version and variant you installed, which error messages you ran into in which context
[19:11] <madLyfe> don't 16.4.3? whatever the most recent version is and used the HWE option during install
[19:11] <tomreyn> the most recently released ubuntu version is 17.04
[19:12] <madLyfe> sorry most recent stable
[19:12] <tomreyn> that's the most recent stable release. releases are always stable.
[19:13] <tomreyn> (at least that's the goal)
[19:13] <madLyfe> most recent LTS. that should do it.
[19:14] <tomreyn> Ubuntu Server 16.04.3 LTS then
[19:16] <madLyfe> hmm changed USB ports and regular install(not HWE) and no issue this time
[19:16] <madLyfe> still not seeing my USB Ethernet adapter tough
[19:16] <madLyfe> we
[19:17] <madLyfe> wtf. it notices the laptops onboard LAN and wireless though. lol
[19:19] <madLyfe> guess it just didn't like USB Ethernet adapters
[19:22] <madLyfe> ya odd. the HWE install doesn't like not having a CD ROM
[19:22] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YSnCfbj2/irccloudcapture1753526775.jpg
[19:23] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RfWQO85y/irccloudcapture1408436233.jpg
[19:23] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bw5g39gW/irccloudcapture1261440775.jpg
[19:26] <madLyfe> also I wonder if I need to plug in an Ethernet cable into the USB Ethernet adapter for it to recognize
[19:26] <ikonia> shouldn't need to
[19:27] <ikonia> it should be the chipset it detects, not the link
[19:29] <madLyfe> thats crazy that server doesnt find two different usb ethernet chips but finds laptop wifi chip.
[19:29] <ikonia> why is that crazy
[19:29] <ikonia> are the chipsets supported by linux, if so, are the supported by the kernel you're using
[19:29] <madLyfe> USB and ethernet seem more along the lines of server than wireless
[19:29] <ikonia> does it see the device at all at a dumb level
[19:30] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[19:30] <ikonia> usb is supported, ethernet is supported
[19:30] <ikonia> usb ethernet is a niche thing with odd chipsets
[19:30] <ikonia> is the chipset supported under linux at all, is it supported with the kernel you're using, does it see the device but not know what it is
[19:33] <madLyfe> both of these adapters are recognized fine under the desktop live iso
[19:34] <ikonia> so what chipset are they and what kernel module is driving them under the desktop ?
[19:34] <ikonia> how do you know they are not detected under the server install
[19:34] <ikonia> (apologies if I've missed your background to this)
[19:35] <madLyfe> ya i can get them to run after install. i want them to be recognized and run during install. i dont want to manually setup them up after.
[19:36] <ikonia> how do you set them up ?
[19:36] <ikonia> (what are the steps you take)
[19:37] <madLyfe> just check lsusb to make sure its recognized then add it to network interfaces
[19:37] <ikonia> as in the network interface file
[19:38] <madLyfe> yes because it was not automatically put there.
[19:39] <ikonia> so if you look at the syslog when you boot the server install do you see it detect the usb devices ?
[19:40] <madLyfe> how do you do that?
[19:41] <ikonia> swap to the different virtual console and open the syslog in a text editor
[19:42] <madLyfe> why key to swap to a different virtual console?
[19:43] <ikonia> alt+F$something
[19:44] <squashua> Stokachu :( no conjure-up versions --stable or -edge work for me localhost. --edge http://paste.ubuntu.com/25440328/ And with --stable I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/25440328/
[19:45] <squashua> Would any of this be caused by me having manually created a controller and have a running machine attached?
[19:45] <stokachu> those are the same links
[19:45] <squashua> Sorry
[19:48] <squashua> --stable http://paste.ubuntu.com/25440433/ stokachu
[19:53] <stokachu> squashua: shouldn't
[19:53] <stokachu> squashua: can you `touch ~/.cache/conjure-up/test.db`
[19:55] <squashua> Stokachu it didn't give any output
[19:55] <stokachu> do you see it in `ls ~/.cache/conjure-up/`
[19:56] <squashua> Yes
[19:57] <stokachu> ok so must be something else
[20:02] <squashua> Well then
[20:05] <madLyfe> ikonia: alt-f brings up the installer menu for me
[20:05] <squashua> Stokachu I stay @ a dead end with this.. It's so frustrating.
[20:06] <stokachu> squashua: this is the first time you've come for help that i recall
[20:07] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KAerBpRP/irccloudcapture401038223.jpg
[20:08] <squashua> Stokachu sorry.. I can't keep my name cause I keep getting disconnected. This is Brazier. This is the same poweredge you have been on recently.
[20:08] <stokachu> squashua: i see, so what happened? it was working
[20:08] <squashua> & it's still open to you
[20:08] <stokachu> can you pm me the ip and username again
[20:11] <stokachu> squashua: ^
[20:14] <braziercustoms-m> Stokachu sorry again. Not really. I never was able to launch I stance or anything. It just successfully deployed. So I refreshed today and these are the problems I'm having.
[20:14] <braziercustoms-m> Instance*
[20:14] <stokachu> braziercustoms-m: can you p m me the ip and username
[20:14] <braziercustoms-m> Yeah
[20:15] <braziercustoms-m> Can you pm me first stokachu
[20:15] <braziercustoms-m> It's complicated on this phone lol
[20:30] <madLyfe> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KH9G61vP/irccloudcapture777044987.jpg
[20:42] <brazier> Stokachu thanks for showing me my ignorance again :D. on the database is locked, what if it checked for another instance and asked what you want to do with it?
[20:43] <brazier> That would have kept a dummy like me off here longer :D
[20:54] <brazier> Stokachu http://paste.ubuntu.com/25440789/
[20:55] <stokachu> looking
[20:58] <stokachu> brazier: it's going now, i need to look into this db lock stuff more
[20:59] <brazier> What happened?
[21:00] <stokachu> the database was locked again
[21:00] <stokachu> spells need to be udpated to make sure flush the db and close the connection
[21:03] <brazier> Hmm it didn't say db locked that time did it it Stokachu
[21:03] <stokachu> yep in the logs
[21:05] <brazier> It does further up the log I see now.. guess I been caught up in the last error it showed.
[21:07] <brazier> Stokachu can I intern with you for a while :D
[21:07] <stokachu> haha
[21:09] <brazier> Stokachu I thought the novalxd was the only one you could install on a single machine? That was the one I been trying to install
[21:10] <stokachu> brazier: nah they all work on a single machine
[21:10] <stokachu> i just forgot that was the one we were using before
[21:10] <brazier> I asked you before.. must have been a miscommunication..
[21:12] <brazier> Stokachu will the whole conjure up cloud run inside of an lxd machine?
[21:12] <stokachu> brazier: yea you gotta do some tweaks to the host container though
[21:12] <stokachu> brazier: https://stgraber.org/2017/01/13/kubernetes-inside-lxd/
[21:14] <brazier> Stokachu nice..  thanks.
[21:16] <brazier> Stokachu since you chose kubernets you think that would be  the better one to try to learn/understand?
[21:17] <stokachu> brazier: it is the new kid on the block
[21:17] <stokachu> if it were me i would be learning kubernetes
[21:18] <brazier> Stokachu sometimes I have a hard time figuring out where to begin.
[21:18] <stokachu> yea, it's a fast paced industry
[21:19] <brazier> Stokachu are any of the systems available capable of creating instances where the software can control specific hardware?
[21:20] <brazier> On the physical machine?
[21:20] <stokachu> not sure i follow what youre asking
[21:23] <brazier> Stokachu Could I say create an instance that could communicate with a usb device attached to the physical machine
[21:27] <brazier> Stokachu btw it deployed successful
[21:31] <nacc> rbasak: so we have a case of an  old/new mismatch causing an issue. ipsec-tools will fail to import for the time being, becuase the debian changelog object has no means to handle bad changelogs (it can either emit a warning and skip entries or make bad entries fatal). We are more lenient (in the shell parsing/dpkg-parsechangelog). Thoughts?
[21:31] <nacc> rbasak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25440934/
[21:33] <madLyfe> nacc: so is there a way to get the server installer to force the r8152 driver or whatever to recognize the chip?
[21:34] <nacc> madLyfe: we concluded the driver wasn't available on the iso, right?
[21:34] <nacc> cpaelzer: fyi, i am running the virt-manager import again now, to see if the same error is seen or not. Worst case, I'll do the reimport this afternoon
[21:35] <madLyfe> I'm not sure. I thought you guys said it was in that extra package
[21:35] <madLyfe> we got it working after the install but not during.
[21:35] <nacc> madLyfe: yeah, so the -extra package is probably not available/used during the install itself
[21:35] <nacc> i'm not 100%
[21:35] <nacc> madLyfe: the simplest ('simple') choice would be use a custom kernel and initrd
[21:36] <nacc> probably just an initrd, really
[21:36] <nacc> madLyfe: that does have the module in it
[21:36] <nacc> madLyfe: and then install the -extra package during install time
[21:36] <madLyfe> what does that mean. ELI5 please
[21:36] <nacc> madLyfe: you'll need a system that is working to work on
[21:37] <nacc> madLyfe: you'll uncompress the installer initrd there
[21:37] <nacc> madLyfe: then you'll add files to the installer initrd
[21:37] <nacc> madLyfe: recompress the initrd
[21:37] <nacc> madLyfe: and remaster the iso and burn to USB (normally you'd do this for a network install, but since you don't have one)
[21:44] <rbasak> nacc: if it's entirely historical, could it be an easy fix to keep a patch for it?
[21:44] <rbasak> nacc: if we ignore the issue, what would be the consequence in this case?
[22:05] <hehehe> https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=sarnold&e=com
[22:05] <hehehe> wtf
[22:05] <hehehe> sarnold: you are for sale :D
[22:05] <hehehe> 24 monthly payments of $134
[22:05] <hehehe> thats cheap :)
[22:06] <nacc> rbasak: not sure what you mean? in theory, any changelog that has those entries in it (the ones that appear to be being dropped) will fail to import without being patched
[22:07] <rbasak> nacc: HO if you're free?
[22:07] <nacc> rbasak: yep
[23:03] <nacc> cpaelzer: finally getting aroudn to implementing --reimport. I'm testing it now, I think it actaully will be pretty easy to do (presuming this passes)
[23:09] <nacc> rbasak: ok, so i'm still not 100% sure on what's going on, as running the importr by hand has gotten past that point. I'll debug that a bit (I do think it's the script calling to the cli, maybe). But in any case, I'm realizing anohter place we're not currently tracking (for eventual shell removal) is when we do fail to strictly parse a changelog -- there's no logging or any way to know we fellback to
[23:09] <nacc> shell parsing. HOw should we handle that?
[23:31] <nacc> cpaelzer: it would appear the reimport will succeed, but i'll let it finish first (it succesfully imported all of debian again). So I think the failure we're hitting now is the bug in the repository construction with the old vs. new pristine-tar. I'll make sure it integrates your two upload tags and then i'll update the snap (it's a hidden flag for now0
[23:40] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, so the by-hand import of ipsec-tools, from my bastion, succeeded


[09:53] <tjaalton> mjg59: reverting the patch you mentioned made my backlight work again, thanks
[10:03] <abogani> Please guys don't forget my request pull about -rt conf files (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-March/002204.html). Thanks a lot! :-)
[10:45] <AnAnt> I got an nVidia graphics card, and when I boot using kernel 2.6.24-12, the virtual console is blank (can only see the cursor), and Xorg doesn't work, nor does sound, I use nvidia-glx-new. So I have to use the 2.6.24-11 kernel & downgrade nvidia-glx-new in order to make my laptop work
[10:47] <tjaalton> AnAnt: install linux-generic
[10:49] <AnAnt> tjaalton: is that supposed to bring in another package ?
[10:49] <AnAnt> tjaalton: both linux-image-generic & linux-restricted-modules-generic are up to date
[10:49] <rzr> asac: I am the one who is quotted on this thread : http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.acpi.devel/27726
[10:51] <tjaalton> AnAnt: ok, so file a bug
[10:59] <AnAnt> ok
[11:03] <AnAnt> tjaalton: btw, there is a bug I filed a year ago, and it still didnt get fixed (bug #146151)
[11:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146151 in linux-source-2.6.24 "pcspkr module causes hangup on HP Pavilion dv6391 when system beeps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146151
[11:05] <asac> rzr: hi.
[11:05] <asac> thanks
[11:06] <asac> rzr: do you know about an ubnutu bug about this?
[11:07] <AnAnt> so, is there something I should do (subscribe someone or put some tag) to make developers look at it ?
[11:07] <asac> rzr: maybe include the link to that thread in your mail.
[11:07] <rzr> asac: this patch is included in kernel package i think
[11:07] <asac> ah ok.
[11:08] <rzr> mailed
[11:08] <asac> thx
[11:09] <rzr> but andrew morton help to get it upstream
[11:10] <rzr> btw, ubutunu violated debian policy when the accepted a patch upstream refused :)
[11:13] <rzr> asac:
[11:13] <rzr>   * acpi: DSDT from initramfs patch
[11:13] <rzr>     - GIT-SHA 7b650b00d82ec5c80452b2f99de1cfdbae2a465b
[11:14] <rzr> most /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.20-16-386/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:14] <rzr> that's this one
[11:15] <tjaalton> AnAnt: that bug is less than six months old
[11:15] <AnAnt> tjaalton: oh, yes I meant that I filed it in 2007, sorry
[11:25] <AnAnt> tjaalton: so, is there anyone looking at that bug or not ?
[11:30] <BenC> Good morning peeps
[11:30] <tjaalton> AnAnt: don't know, I'm not :)
[11:34] <cking> Morning BenC
[11:40] <amitk> BenC: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.acpi.devel/27726
[11:40] <zul> morning
[11:43] <BenC> amitk: that rocks!
[11:43] <BenC> yay for intrepid not needing us to carry that patch around any more
[11:45] <maks_> that patch is a bugger, see discussions with hch rzr
[11:45] <maks_> and seens when does ubuntu ever care about upstream quality of a patch rzr :P
[11:46] <BenC> Len's suggestions for fixes are a good idea too
[11:56] <AnAnt> BenC: regarding bug #146151 , I suspect that the problem is actually connected to apic
[11:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146151 in linux-source-2.6.24 "pcspkr module causes hangup on HP Pavilion dv6391 when system beeps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146151
[11:57]  * BenC wonders why things are assigned to linux-source-2.6.24
[11:57] <BenC> that src doesn't even exist
[11:57] <AnAnt> BenC: what should it be assigned to then ?
[11:57] <BenC> linux, like it already is
[11:58] <BenC> the linux-source-2.6.24 target is invalid
[11:58] <AnAnt> ok
[12:02] <BenC> AnAnt: hmm...pcspkr being loaded isn't terribly uncommon...what is uncommon is that the system beep uses pcspkr instead of your built-in audio
[12:03] <AnAnt> BenC: well, I don't mind that the system beep uses pcspkr, since my laptop seems to have a PC speaker somehow
[12:03] <BenC> AnAnt: It's not a matter of you minding, it's that it shouldn't by design :)
[12:04] <AnAnt> BenC: the problem is that if I boot without 'noapic' this pcspkr causes a freeze when used
[12:05] <BenC> AnAnt: Ok, that sounds like a completely different issue then...can you pastebin /proc/interrupts (when booted without noacpi)?
[12:05] <AnAnt> BenC: sure, I'll have to reboot though
[12:06] <AnAnt> BenC: anything else ?
[12:06] <tjaalton> BenC: I've got a new l-r-m ready with fglrx 8-3, should it need some FFE handling?
[12:07] <tjaalton> fixes at least two bugs from the list
[12:07] <BenC> tjaalton: No, go ahead and upload
[12:07] <tjaalton> BenC: thanks, will do
[12:07] <BenC> tjaalton: thanks
[12:07] <BenC> tjaalton: just make sure it is well tested because it will be in beta :)
[12:08] <AnAnt> BenC: rebooting...
[12:08] <tjaalton> BenC: people have tried it and confirmed that those bugs are fixed, but surely it'll have some issues still (as always) :)
[12:13] <AnAnt> BenC: I booted without noapic, here's /proc/interrupts: http://pastebin.com/m71747744
[12:15] <BenC> AnAnt: nothing jumps out...I'd suggest trying some of the acpi debug stuff that can be found on the wiki
[12:16] <AnAnt> BenC: what wiki ?
[12:17] <BenC> wiki.ubuntu.com of course :)
[12:17] <AnAnt> acpi debug or apic debug ?
[12:18] <AnAnt> BenC: acpi debug or apic debug ?
[12:19] <BenC> might as well check both
[12:20] <AnAnt> I can't find anything about apic debug
[12:23] <BenC> AnAnt: you could boot with apic=debug and pastebin that dmesg output
[12:23] <BenC> AnAnt: also (separately) you could try booting with nolapic and see if just that fixes the problem
[12:25] <AnAnt> ok
[12:34] <AnAnt> BenC: dmesg output when booting with apic=debug : http://pastebin.com/m75254cb
[12:34] <AnAnt> BenC: when I use nolapic, Xorg doesn't work (I use an nvidia-glx-new)
[12:39] <AnAnt_> BenC: sorry, laptop crashed
[12:39] <AnAnt_> BenC: I booted now with noapic to avoid that
[12:49] <AnAnt_> BenC: did I miss anything ?
[13:14] <NthDegree> does Ubuntu have any intention of using POSIX Filesystem Capbilities
[13:15] <NthDegree> since it's a now mainline feature and can reduce the amount of applications needing root durastically... it only seems logical to have it set up by default
[13:16] <NthDegree> yet:
[13:16] <NthDegree> mhare@inspire:~$ cat /boot/config-2.6.24-12-generic | grep FILE_CAPABILITIES
[13:16] <NthDegree> # CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES is not set
[13:28] <BenC> NthDegree: that's a better question for the security team
[13:28] <NthDegree> BenC: ah.. #ubuntu-security i'm guessing right?
[13:29] <BenC> yeah
[13:29] <NthDegree> btw if I managed to get it to compile as a module could I theoretically compile it from the Ubuntu source and load it into an Ubuntu-packaged kernel?
[13:29] <NthDegree> as in so that I can have the nice supported Ubuntu kernel but have the extra feature still
[13:29] <BenC> security caps can't be modules anymore, IIRC
[13:30] <NthDegree> oh yeah... that's why Dazuko is having problems
[13:30] <NthDegree> forgot about that :$
[13:31] <NthDegree> BenC: thanks =]
[13:31] <BenC> np
[14:28] <AnAnt> BenC: so what else should I do ?
[20:11] <aspushkin> hello, can anybody help me with the following: when i attach to process via  ptrace(PTRACE_SETOPTIONS,...) the process i attached to hangs up completely
[20:12] <aspushkin> i have following options set: int options = PTRACE_O_TRACEFORK | PTRACE_O_TRACEVFORK | PTRACE_O_TRACEEXEC | PTRACE_O_TRACECLONE | PTRACE_O_TRACEVFORKDONE ;
[20:12] <aspushkin> when i exit my tracer program, the process i attached to resumes normal operation....
[22:43] <geos> hello
[22:46] <geos> someone here?


[00:08] <FloridaGuy> is nvidia working yet in 11.04 ?
[00:09] <Daekdroom> FloridaGuy, nvidia-current is
[00:10] <FloridaGuy> Daekdroom: witch is 260.19 right
[00:10] <Daekdroom> !info nvidia-current
[00:10] <Daekdroom> 270.29
[00:11] <FloridaGuy> what was the comemand to upgrade
[00:11] <FloridaGuy> from 10.10
[00:12] <Daekdroom> sudo do-release-upgrade -d or gksu update-manager -d
[00:12] <Daekdroom> The later has a GUI
[00:12] <FloridaGuy> or is there a cd yet for 11.04
[00:12] <arand> Have they enabled those atm?
[00:12] <Daekdroom> !daily
[00:21] <FloridaGuy> now the 64 bit version of maverick ran good with a gig of ram...i just added another gig..so im at 2gig ram as of now...will the 64 run any better
[00:24] <FloridaGuy> alternate install CD is the same will do net install or CD install ?? or is it just cd install
[00:51] <charlie-tca> alternate install cd is a cd install using a text installer instead of a GUI
[00:51] <charlie-tca> desktop cd uses a GUI installer and works as a live cd
[00:51] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: you lost a memo
[00:51] <BUGabundo> we no longer call it "desktop"
[00:51] <charlie-tca> What is it now?
[00:52] <charlie-tca> mine are desktop
[00:52] <BUGabundo> _just_ Ubuntu
[00:52] <BUGabundo> and Ubuntu Server
[00:52] <Severian> FloridaGuy, Can you rephrase your second question?  It does not quite make sense.  In regards to the first question, with 2 gig of ram, I would say uou should stay with the 32 bit version.  64 bit is good when you have more than 3.5 gb of ram.
[00:52] <BUGabundo> Severian: its more complex then that
[00:52] <BUGabundo> that's the _simple_ case
[00:52] <BUGabundo> looking only at RAM amount
[00:52] <BUGabundo> you have to consider CPU support
[00:53] <BUGabundo> and what kind of operations will be performed
[00:53] <Severian> Sure, there are other factors.  But, my recommendation stands unless he says something about some 64 bit feature he needs.
[00:53] <charlie-tca> the name has not changed. I still have desktop images in current - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[00:53] <BUGabundo> 64bits archs do use more RAM due to bigger registares
[00:53] <BUGabundo> BUT it may also be faster for some operations
[00:53] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:53] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: should change soon, then
[00:53] <charlie-tca> apparently, the build team hasn't implemented the memo yet either
[00:54] <Severian> BUGabundo, the larger ram use is one reason I avoid the 64 bit version on low ram systems.
[00:54] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I bet the name doesn't change, as far as dailies are concerned
[00:54] <BUGabundo> who knows
[00:55] <Severian> The alternate installer is also more flexible in terms of filesystems available for the install.  It creates more secure systems, because you can encrypt your swap partition.
[00:55]  * charlie-tca will try to remember the desktop cd is now the cd, and the other one is the alternate cd
[00:57] <Severian> But, the alternate installer for alpha 1, 2, and 3 on Natty are all broken.  So, maybe beta1 will work.  I normally only use the alternate installer, and so I can't test very well this cycle, so far.
[00:57] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: LOOOOOOOL
[00:57] <charlie-tca> um, alternate installer worked for everybody testing the images
[00:58] <FloridaGuy> Severian: i was asking if the alternate cd is both net and cd install..or if it installs just from the cd....or is there a net install for 11.04
[00:59] <Severian> I am looking for some help in terminology in regards to Unity.  I have had the taskbar at the top and the Unity icon bar on the left disappear multiple times.  It renders the system pretty unusable, but I don't know the correct names so I can look for prior reported bugs.
[01:00] <charlie-tca> reported bugs are against either compiz or unity
[01:01] <Severian> The alternate CD installer has most things on the CD, but does seem to go to the network, if it is available.  The net installer needs the network.  There is a daily image of the net install, or there was one last week, anyway.
[01:02] <Severian> charlie-tca, There are lots of unity bugs.  I don't know what pieces some of them refer to.  I want to get the right one, but don't know the right terms.
[01:02] <charlie-tca> The thing on top is the panel
[01:03] <charlie-tca> the thing on the left used to be the "dock", but might be the bookmark or quick-launcher now
[01:03] <Severian> OK, thank you.
[01:03] <charlie-tca> good luck, the names do not seem very stable
[01:18] <hunterm> the link to the natty beta 1 is broken
[01:21] <BUGabundo> night guys
[01:38] <FloridaGuy> !netinstall
[02:04] <Daekdroom> I believe libdconf0 is preventing my X server from coming up.
[02:04] <Daekdroom> I removed it
[02:11] <Amaranth> Daekdroom: That won't end well
[02:11] <Daekdroom> Amaranth, yeah, I noticed my Unity settings were reset to default.
[02:12] <Daekdroom> So I rushed to reinstall it xD
[02:21] <charlie-tca> Is there a way to export bookmarks in Firefox 4.0 (Natty)?
[02:23] <Daekdroom> charlie-tca, to another FF install?
[02:24] <Daekdroom> There is a Firefox Sync extension I think
[02:24] <charlie-tca> no, to a different browser
[02:24] <charlie-tca> Used to be able to export as html. Seems like ff is now acting like IE, with no way to export bookmarks
[02:25] <yofel> charlie-tca: the bookmark manager has html export here
[02:25] <charlie-tca> How do I get to it?
[02:25] <psusi> who wants to help make booting faster? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1686699
[02:26] <yofel> bookmarks -> show all bookmarks
[02:26] <psusi> you know you want to!
[02:27] <charlie-tca> yofel: Thank you. I seem to have lost that.
[02:27] <yofel> charlie-tca: then entry is missing o.O?
[02:27] <charlie-tca> No, my brain lost it
[02:27] <yofel> ah, heh
[02:27] <charlie-tca> midori now has import html bookmarks
[02:28] <charlie-tca> I have to try it again
[03:27] <magn3ts> Anyone get Unity working in Ubuntu host VirtualBox with accel yet?
[04:32] <soreau> When starting natty, unity starts and makes all windows disappear
[04:34] <soreau> If I stop gdm and startx, I can get compiz working fine
[04:34] <soreau> but after starting unity, all windows are gone and there's nothing but a cursor and wallpaper
[04:40] <soreau> even trying to start any X app from tty works but does not appear in X
[05:14] <androidbruce> soreau, i'm in the process of installing alpha 3 in vmwareplayer
[05:14] <androidbruce> i'll let you know
[06:14] <r000t> Guys, the link for Beta 1 on the Wiki page is broken
[06:14] <r000t> for all versions
[06:15] <r000t> Also am I the only person to notice that it reverted to how it looked in 2008?
[06:16] <jbicha> what do you mean broken? Beta 1 hasn't been released yet
[06:17] <r000t> There are links to it on the wiki page
[06:17] <r000t> let me link the page
[06:17] <r000t> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[06:30] <jbicha> that wiki page is used as a staging area for what will become the release notes
[06:30] <jbicha> see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3 for instance
[06:31] <r000t> Also is there a reason it looks like 9.04?
[06:32] <jbicha> what do you mean looks like 9.04?
[06:33] <r000t> everything is grey
[06:33] <r000t> old icons
[06:33] <r000t> blocky
[06:33] <r000t> Like Windows 2k grey
[07:03] <arand> r000t: metcity theme engine isn't working as it should, as to why, I don't know.
[07:04] <arand> or gtk2-theme, or along that line
[07:19] <Fudge> what kernel is natty shipping with in beta2 plz
[07:24] <jbicha> 2.6.38
[07:27] <Fudge> wiked, from 37 speakup-source is included
[07:27] <Fudge> is it possible to install stuff such as speechd-up into the alternate cd to then use speakup to install
[07:28] <Fudge> or should i ask in #ubuntu, not here
[08:22] <larsemil> is unity geting any more stable?
[08:24] <nlsthzn> larsemil: seems so
[08:24] <nlsthzn> mine has been uber stable since yesterday morning
[08:25] <larsemil> 2d or 3d?
[08:27] <arand> larsemil: my 2d in kvm is still whacko (though it is not targeted for natty anyways).
[08:27] <larsemil> arand: okej. and 3d has support for other cards then intel now?
[08:50] <twager> !nvidia
[09:58] <badpenguin86> In unity, some of my windows are not getting "decorated", so they show up at the top leftmost place on the screen, under the statusbar
[10:06] <mungojerry>  software-center is crashing (core dump, won't start) in natty since about tuesday. is there anything i can remove/purge to clean it up ?
[10:16] <geser> mungojerry: the problem is known (bug 259219), workaround: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 software-center
[10:17] <mungojerry> geser: that fixed it, thanks...thought it was just me
[12:47] <FloridaGuy> 11.04   try opening dolphin....( Configuration file "/home/mike/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc" not writable.Please contact your system administrator.)
[12:49] <FloridaGuy> then sudo dolphin....  unnamed app(4196): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server:  "//bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed." unnamed app(4195): KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.
[12:58] <FloridaGuy> Fixed the 1st  problem but still trying to figure the 2nd
[13:04] <doodoo> i have a laptop eith ATI card. can i run natyy on it?thanks
[13:07] <FloridaGuy> doodoo: dont see why not
[13:08] <doodoo> ok i will try
[13:48] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:21] <Daekdroom> How do I reset the Unity launcher?
[14:45] <shaneo> can someone help me with the samba4 error
[14:46] <kim0> Hi everyone, everytime I apt-get upgrade my nm-applet dies. Is this a known bug
[14:49] <robin0800> kim0, try aptitude
[14:49] <mndo> hello
[14:49] <kim0> why
[14:49] <mndo> yesterday night i tested the lastest natty alpha and the oxygen theme for gtk don't work as good as the screenshots from kde.org
[14:49] <mndo> any ideas?
[14:49] <kim0> isn't that deprecated
[14:50] <robin0800> kim0, apt-get is older
[14:51] <kim0> well it still shouldn't be doing that. I expect most users to be using apt-get, so if that problem is real, it's a serious one
[14:52] <robin0800> kim0, both work here
[14:52] <kim0> It breaks at "Processing triggers for python-support ..."
[14:53] <robin0800> kim0, try changing server
[14:53] <kim0> can I know exactly what that step does
[14:54] <robin0800> kim0, whats the error message?
[14:55] <kim0> robin0800: no error .. nm-applet just disappears from the tray, disconnecting my network
[14:55] <kim0> I start it manually, it works
[14:55] <kim0> and breaks on the next apt-get upgrade
[14:55] <kim0> this is every single time
[14:56] <shaneo> my apt-get works fine except for the samba 4 bug
[14:57] <robin0800> kim0, something is clearly broken but what I don’t know and can not help any more
[14:57] <kim0> thanks
[15:05] <BluesKaj> strange that I can smb thru the workgroup to wife's W7 pc , but when I try to add a network folder using "windows network drive" , I get the "unable to connect to server" message . I was able to do so on maverick , but not on natty
[15:07]  * BluesKaj is not samba gui fan I prefer the smbclient (and don't tell me they are the same ..I prefer the network folder method to samba)
[15:08]  * patdk-wk is totally confused as to what you perfer
[15:08] <patdk-wk> smbclient is text based, not gui, and network folders is gui
[15:08] <patdk-wk> and samba is not gui on any level
[15:17] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, let's not get into defintions here , i just prefer using the network folder appraoch , due to the faster copying of files , if I could use scp/ssh I would , but it's not possible without using putty or some other clunky app.
[15:18] <patdk-wk> I didn't even talk about that
[15:18] <patdk-wk> I just dunno what your using at all, cause you described 3 different ways to use samba, dunno why you even bothered to mix up scp/ssh into it
[15:19] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, are you talking to me ? if so , then nevermind ..i'm not gonna waste my time with you
[15:23] <pasq> hi all
[15:24] <pasq> could someone tell me pls, if the 100.04 setup supports LVM?
[15:36] <patdk-wk> probably won't
[15:36] <patdk-wk> but 10.04 does
[15:37] <patdk-wk> but this is the 11.04 channel
[15:39] <pasq> yes i know, i solved the problem, thnx patdk-wk
[16:21] <r000t> How do I force it to use unity?
[16:22] <Daekdroom> r000t, it should use unity by default.
[16:22] <Daekdroom> If it's not, your graphic drivers don't allow it.
[16:22] <r000t> Is there any circumstance in which it would want to use GNOME panel?
[16:22] <r000t> And does running it in a VM change that at all?
[16:23] <Daekdroom> Yes. Usually while running a VM, you don't have enough 2D/3D acceleration capabilities.
[16:24] <r000t> So how are people testing Unity without... blowing up a perfectly good Ubuntu install?
[16:27] <Daekdroom> r000t, they install it in a different partition.
[16:28] <Daekdroom> Or blow up a perfectly good Ubuntu install, like I did
[16:28] <r000t> You sir, have balls of steel
[16:28] <Daekdroom> I'm used to not having X starting every once in awhile.
[16:32] <donri> will I be able to move the unity "dock" in natty?
[16:32] <donri> e.g. to the bottom
[16:32] <Daekdroom> donri, still not possible
[16:32] <Daekdroom> and I haven't read about any plans of doing that
[16:34] <r000t> Yeah I noticed the menu change too.... There's gotta be a way to change that back to normal, Linux is all about customization, and I think some people will hate the fact that their OS is trying to be MacOSX
[16:35] <donri> menu change?
[16:35] <r000t> The File Edit Window etc
[16:36] <r000t> is now on the gnome panel
[16:36] <donri> i like gnome's lack of excessive customization points, but unity as it stands is looking a bit rigid even by gnome standards
[16:36] <r000t> not on the window
[16:38] <Daekdroom> It's not gnome panel anymore ;)
[16:38] <Daekdroom> and yes, Unity is very rigid
[16:38] <Daekdroom> Currently, it doesn't accept any kind of themeing except for the panel.
[16:39] <Daekdroom> but there are bug reports already and they're planing it.
[16:39] <donri> i get the 'its new tech' thing but seems rigidness is a philosophy, not simply a lack of code
[16:39] <r000t> And there's two programs I stay far away from: X and GRUB. I leave them be. GRUB especially is very very very fragile in my experience and if one little thing goes wrong during any sort of upgrade BOOM unbootable.
[16:39] <Daekdroom> donri, unfortunately I have to agree. The Launcher and the Dash are all done on images.
[16:39] <Daekdroom> Images!
[16:40] <donri> o_O
[16:40] <r000t> So they aren't drawn?
[16:41] <Daekdroom> r000t, precisely. Try using fullscreen Dash and you'll notice it's slooow
[16:41] <r000t> I can't, but why would it be slow? Resize?
[16:42] <Daekdroom> No idea.
[16:42] <Daekdroom> But if it's worked on, it's possible to give it customizability. (altho I believe writing a GTK+ theme is easier than creating all images)
[16:42] <r000t> And I think FeatureFreeze is when them adding moving functionality stopped being allowed for this release
[16:42] <Daekdroom> Nope. They're still adding features to Unity.
[16:43] <Daekdroom> UserInterfaceFreeze is the one that is going to stop it all
[16:43] <r000t> When's that?
[16:43] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[16:43] <r000t> k
[16:43] <Daekdroom> March 24th
[16:43] <donri> something that scares me about both unity and gnome shell is neither seem to really be gtk
[16:44] <donri> throwing out all kinds of accessibility and desktop integration
[16:44] <Daekdroom> Gnome shell is GTK3.
[16:44] <penguin42> yeh, the scroll bar iin unity is shockingly bad
[16:44] <donri> is it really though? isn't a lot of it html/css?
[16:44] <Daekdroom> There are 2 or 3 themes for it, despite themeing not being officially supported.
[16:44] <Daekdroom> It's CSS + images
[16:44] <Daekdroom> But all GTK3 themeing can be done o CSS too
[16:44] <Daekdroom> *on
[16:44] <donri> is it really using gtk for widgets?
[16:45] <Daekdroom> I believe it is
[16:45] <danyR> gnome-shell is using heavy javascript :)
[16:45] <danyR> penguin42: scrollbar in the dash will still use some love before UI freeze
[16:46] <Daekdroom> Fortunately the Dash scrollbar is now controllable through mouse scrollwheel
[16:48] <penguin42> ah good, that was missing last week
[16:50] <donri> that's an example of what i mean with "not gtk"
[16:50] <donri> if you have to specifically implement scroll, something is wrong :P
[16:50] <Daekdroom> We're talking about Unity, tho.
[16:50] <Daekdroom> Which is barely GTK, indeed.
[16:52] <danyR> Unity is mostly Nux :)
[16:53] <danyR> http://askubuntu.com/questions/18413/what-is-nux-and-whats-it-used-for
[16:54] <penguin42> sigh, yet another toolkit
[16:54] <Daekdroom> I feel I'm eventually moving to gnome shell.
[17:19] <coz_> hey all
[17:24] <penguin42> hey
[17:43] <badpenguin86> In Unity, my windows are not getting "decorated", and they show up in the top leftmost corner of the screen. How do I fix it?
[17:45] <Daekdroom> badpenguin86, you mean they show up on the panel?
[17:50] <badpenguin86> Daekdroom, here is a pic http://ubuntuone.com/p/hFZ/
[17:51] <Daekdroom> badpenguin86, compiz crashed
[17:51] <badpenguin86> Daekdroom, How do I restart it?
[17:51] <Daekdroom> badpenguin86, use that nautilus to go to /usr/bin and run compiz
[17:56] <badpenguin86> Daekdroom, That didn't work
[17:57] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[17:57] <Daekdroom> Is it like that all the time?
[17:57] <robin0800> badpenguin86, compiz --replace
[17:59] <badpenguin86> just started being like this
[17:59] <badpenguin86> using open source nvidia drivers
[17:59] <badpenguin86> i use compiz --replace and it crashes immediately
[18:00] <penguin42> badpenguin86: Fallback to metacity - metacity --replace &
[18:01] <Daekdroom> penguin42, I thought metacity didn't work with unity..
[18:01] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Probably true - but if compiz is crashing you don't have much choice
[18:03] <badpenguin86> well, that sorta did something, but I gotta reboot, it's kinda crazy lol
[18:06] <robin0800> penguin42, with no compiz the choices are classic desktop or install unity 2d
[18:06] <badpenguin86_> Everything is working except the decorations.. Maybe I messed something up in CCSM
[18:06] <Daekdroom> open source nvidia drivers aren't exactly ready for unity.
[18:06] <Daekdroom> I believe you need to have libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental installed
[18:07] <Daekdroom> and even with that package I've seen people that couldn't run unity
[18:07] <robin0800> Daekdroom, neither is gallium in my opinion
[18:07] <badpenguin86_> Daekdroom, K, will try that
[18:07] <Daekdroom> robin0800, without gallium, he can't run unity at all.
[18:07] <Daekdroom> It's worth a shot atleast, no matter how.. not prepared it is
[18:08] <vivid> what gpu is it?
[18:08] <badpenguin86_> what is gallium?
[18:08] <badpenguin86_> nvm, is ATI card. My bad
[18:08] <Daekdroom> then that package isn't going to make any difference.
[18:08] <robin0800> badpenguin86_, the new ati driver
[18:09] <badpenguin86_> ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
[18:10] <penguin42> Radeon drivers also seem to be very touchy
[18:10] <badpenguin86_> Restricted drivers don't show anything to enable, although it used to
[18:11] <Daekdroom> the radeon binary driver is not working with 11.04 for now
[18:11] <badpenguin86_> Daekdroom, Hmm, so what should I do? It was working with alpha 3, then I updated it, and that's what broke it
[18:12] <vivid> try reinstalling the driver
[18:12] <Daekdroom> I meant the binary driver. The one that you get through restricted drivers.
[18:12] <vivid> ati isnt very good for driver support
[18:12] <Daekdroom> The opensource one you're probably using should be alright
[18:12] <penguin42> badpenguin86_: You could try one or more of 1) The drm-next kernel daily packages , or xorg-edgers ppa with blleding edge X
[18:13] <badpenguin86_> vivid, do I dpkg --reconfigure
[18:13] <vivid> dpkg-reconfigure <package> iirc
[18:13] <r000t> What is Ubuntu 10.04.02?
[18:13] <vivid> lucid lynx lts
[18:14] <Daekdroom> r000t, it's 10.04 with all updates until the date in which 10.04.2 was released.
[18:15] <badpenguin86_> vivid, I tried that and will reboot
[18:16] <twager> !nvidia
[18:16] <Daekdroom> The nvidia 270.19 is.
[18:16] <Daekdroom> (installable)
[18:17] <vivid> i think 270.30 is now fully compatible with xorg 1.10
[18:17] <vivid> and maybe the 260.19.44 non-beta
[18:18] <Daekdroom> !info nvidia-current
[18:19] <vivid> that version still requires ignore abi iirc
[18:19] <badpenguin86> Reconfiguring the drivers didn't work
[18:22] <vivid> badpenguin86, the solution for ati cards and bleeding systems is buying an nvidia card o.O
[18:22] <twager> I just installed restricted driver for nvidia and all is well.
[18:22] <badpenguin86> vivid, Lol. Hard to do with a laptop. :) Switching back to classic desktop
[18:24] <badpenguin86> At least classic desktop works.
[18:24] <vivid> more research on the laptop you buy.....get one with an MXM slot
[18:25] <vivid> next time, anyway
[18:25] <robin0800> badpenguin86, install unity 2d
[18:26] <badpenguin86> robin0800, Eh, I will just use classic until ATI gets off there butts lol
[18:27] <robin0800> badpenguin86, I think its great you should at least give it a try
[18:27] <yofel> vivid: we don't have xserver 1.10 final yet, and 270.29 works fine with our rc2
[18:27] <vivid> badpenguin86, this is a classic ati problem, your best bet is to use the open source ati driver
[18:27] <vivid> yofel, right, with ignore abi
[18:27] <yofel> vivid: without
[18:28] <yofel> 29 is incompatible with final though, same as 30 is incompatible with rc2
[18:28] <vivid> what about the new stable release? 260.19.44
[18:28] <yofel> no idea, I just use what we have in natty
[18:28] <yofel> but I'm pretty certain they won't downgrade the driver
[18:29] <vivid> 270 should be official soon enough anyway
[18:29] <yofel> indeed
[18:30] <badpenguin86_> robin0800, Downloading it now
[18:33] <vivid> !info unity-2d
[18:34] <badpenguin86> robin0800, It is ok. Not quite the same though
[20:16] <tzaeru> hi. tried to update to 11.4, and when updating xorg, ran into this: http://tinypaste.com/90106 basically it's a bunch of dependency problems in style of E: xserver-xorg-video-geode: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[20:17] <magn3ts> Anyone got Natty running in a VirtualBox VM yet?
[20:18] <yofel> tzaeru: something went wrong when configuring keyboard-configuration, can you open a terminal and run sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[20:18] <tzaeru> dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process
[20:18] <tzaeru> ooooh.
[20:19] <tzaeru> well. apparently.. closing firefox fixed it
[20:19] <tzaeru> not the upgrade, but the locking :P
[20:22] <penguin42> odd
[20:22] <tzaeru> http://pastebin.com/XRYzsd2E
[20:22] <tzaeru> a lot of not-configured all I can see.
[20:23] <penguin42> tzaeru: OK, the important error is the 1st one
[20:24] <Omega> On my login screen I see a user named 'proxy,' I don't know how it got there, I don't know the password and it does not show up in Users and Groups.
[20:24] <penguin42> tzaeru: Do you have the console-setup package and /bin/setupcon ?
[20:24] <penguin42> Omega: Do you have squid installed?
[20:24] <GaryD> If I install nouveau-firmware on natty will it fix the issue of nouveau drivers not displaying all colors. My screen looks "grayed" out and most things are unidentifiable. If not, how can I use xserver-xorg-video-nv instead of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau?
[20:25] <tzaeru> penguin42, no, installing
[20:26] <Omega> penguin42: No, but I do have polipo installed, might it be the one causing this?
[20:26] <penguin42> tzaeru: OK, can you file a bug against keyboard-configuration ? Include that dpkg error log - the problem sounds like it's missing the dependency on console-setup
[20:26] <penguin42> Omega: Yeh I bet it adds a user for it
[20:27] <Omega> penguin42: Thanks. :)
[20:28] <tzaeru> penguin42, ooh! my first bug report.
[20:28] <tzaeru> aside of some wine reports. neat. yeah, sure.
[20:31] <lcb> Omega, i'm curious. what is the kb config issue? i'm asking because i had one yesterday and i managed in solving it, with the help of yofel
[20:32] <Omega> lcb: kb config issue?
[20:33] <lcb> omega, sorry. looks like it is from tzaeru
[20:33] <Omega> Ah, no problem.
[20:34] <GaryD> Has anyone found a way to make proprietary nvidia drivers work?
[20:34] <bjsnider> they do work
[20:36] <GaryD> bjsnider: not 173. There is a missing dependency. xserver-video-abi-8.0
[20:36] <nlsthzn> any ideas why firefox seems to push my CPU to run at almost 100% load the whole time? :/
[20:36] <lcb> nlsthzn, too many extras (or one that takes a lot of load)?
[20:36] <GaryD> bjsnider: ...and I can't figure out how to use the nv driver instead of nouveau.
[20:37] <nlsthzn> lcb: I do have a lot of pages open sure... but I have not enabled any add-ons (so I can understand all the memory it uses, but not the CPU load)
[20:38] <nlsthzn> ... then again, maybe it is something else... CPU just went balistic again (and system monitor, top and htop doesn't show the culprit) QQ
[20:39] <tzaeru> and I promptly forgot to in any way indicate in the summary or tags that it was for natty
[20:39] <tzaeru> well. guess that doesn't.. matter that much now.
[20:41] <bjsnider> GaryD, the 173 could be rebuilt against the new x-server, and it would load but it doesn't work. it will not work until nvidia releases an update, probably at the end of the natty development cycle in april. you will need to abandon the effort and use another driver, like vesa or nouveau
[20:42] <tzaeru> all fingers grossed, here goes reboot. :)
[20:45] <GaryD> bjsnider: i'm using nouveau, but my screen is "grayed" out, like it has a film on it.the xserver-xorg-video-nv driver has always worked for my graphics card. i will do with that until nvidia updates, but I can't figure out how to use the driver after I install it. nouveau always loads instead.
[20:46] <bjsnider> you can create a xorg.conf and put "driver" "nv" in it i suppose
[20:46] <bjsnider> but that is obfuscated by nvidia. it hasn't been touched in a long time
[20:49] <GaryD> OK, but how can I make the xorg.conf? killing X and running Xorg -configure gave me errors.
[20:50] <lcb> nlsthzn, a lot of tabs open helps increasing the load of it of course. there are a lot of tweaks on the net to improve  firefox performance, if you google it. try to do on advanced search and check latest 'posts' on it. there are a couple addons for the same effect. iḿ running chromium after years of firefox and to be honest, without any conflict of interests, i'm liking chromium...
[20:50] <lcb> oops.. that was a testament... sorry guys.
[20:51] <nlsthzn> lcb: closed all tabs now... same load (even got it to go up without FF so might not be FF but something else)... thx any how :)
[20:51] <lcb> nlsthzn, hmm, i'm using it now with alpha updated/graded and looks fine/normal.
[20:52] <lcb> with natty, i mean
[20:52] <nlsthzn> I am a few hours worth of updates behind...
[20:52] <nlsthzn> oh well... thx... let me update and stuff again :D
[20:53] <lcb> :)
[20:53] <magn3ts> God Natty is looking sweet.
[20:53] <magn3ts> new Network manager in 11.10
[20:53] <magn3ts> Gonna be sweeeeeet.
[20:55] <GaryD> thanks all. I have something to try. section 2.6 of the lubuntu faq.
[20:59] <magn3ts> control center is back too?
[20:59] <magn3ts> wwooooow
[21:00] <tzaeru> well. didn't reboot..
[21:01] <tzaeru> first off it says 'fb hw usage conflict radeondrmfb vs. VEGA VGA' and then afterwards it gives an error /usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs: file not found.
[21:01] <tzaeru> after that it doesn't continue to terminal
[21:01] <tzaeru> just stops there
[21:02] <tzaeru> doesn't hang tho.
[21:11] <guntbert> any reports about install problems with the current daily? Several packages "in a broken state"
[21:16] <GaryD> No good. Still a gray screen, and no xorg.conf file in root or /etc/X11/.
[21:19] <tzaeru> oh, it does boot to terminal. just need to alt+f away
[21:20] <tzaeru> um. gdm is what gnome is ought to use, right?
[21:20] <tzaeru> or what usually packs with ubuntu that is
[21:42] <GaryD> right
[21:43] <GaryD> I am actually on Lubuntu. However I have seen a lot of the same problem.
[21:44] <GaryD> However, There were 2 devices and 2 cards in my /root/xorg.conf.new. I have removed the extra stuff and copied it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Hope it works.
[21:49] <tzaeru> interesting - ati drivers weren't installed. well. this works now. for now, that is.. :>
[21:49] <tzaeru> suicidal time and ppa for the drivers so I can get WebGL properly work
[21:49] <tzaeru> or shaders actually, but only webgl apps seem to throw that particular problem
[23:46] <yfk> how can I use Update to OpenOffice on Natty with the use of apt?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> yfk: we now use libreoffice
[23:47] <penguin42> yfk: Natty has LibreOffice now, if you install natty and keep it up to date you'll have the latest version on Natty
[23:48] <yfk> penguin42, you mean libre
[23:48] <penguin42> yfk: Yes
[23:48] <yfk> I don't want libre
[23:49] <yfk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
[23:49] <penguin42> yfk: Why not?
[23:49] <yfk> it doesn't show .doc files as good
[23:50] <penguin42> interesting - file that as a bug, preferably with an example .doc file - it should!
[23:50] <yfk> it displays them.. only not as good
[23:50] <yfk> OO is not perfect at this neither
[23:50] <penguin42> still a bug
[23:51] <yfk> one of OO's main problems it imperfect support of MSFT office formats
[23:51] <penguin42> it's a really difficult problem
[23:51] <yfk> their claim is that the formats are rombunctious to begin with, perhaps intentionally
[23:52] <yfk> anyways. OO is probably the best software that can run natively on linux. you should add the option
[23:52] <yfk> not as default but to the repositories
[23:54] <penguin42> yfk: My feeling is that lo will get fixed quicker
[23:55] <penguin42> yfk: If you have a .doc that you can share with them and show bad rendering then I think it would be good
[23:58] <yfk> the one that I've noticed this from was from a friend of mine so I can't give that away. I'm pretty sure a test on some .doc files (like is probably done) yields better results with oo. BTW, It's development is govermentaly supported here (Israel) as an alternative to MSFT. Choosing not to use OO due to the SUN ownership thing is probably a bad idea as a whole
[23:59] <yfk> by not to use I mean restricting to Libre


[04:18] <pitti> Good morning
[04:18] <pitti> RAOF: thanks for the psql reviews!
[04:19] <RAOF> pitti: No problem!
[04:19] <pitti> RAOF: could you review the lucid one, too?
[04:19] <RAOF> Hm, did I not do that one too?
[04:20] <pitti> it's still in the queue, and I didn't get a message for it
[04:24] <RAOF> Ah. That's because sru-review barfed on it last time. Done!
[04:30] <pitti> RAOF: cheers! barfed how?
[04:31] <RAOF> pitti: I think it was a timeout. My internet is being a bit wonky.
[04:31] <pitti> I'll run the test suites with the proposed .debs today
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:23] <xnox> pitti: can I quickly poke you about libudev? i'm looking to add nomatch filters to the  udev_monitor. Similar to how filter_subsystem_list and filter_tag_list, expect that i need to add exclude / nomatch (similar to how nomatch works with enumerate functions).
[08:24] <xnox> this is for bug #1234743
[08:24] <pitti> xnox: you can poke me, but as I said last week I never did anything with netlink filters, so I'm afraid I have zero experience there :/
[08:25] <pitti> xnox: besides, libudev is the wrong place for that
[08:25] <pitti> xnox: what we want is to apply that filter in udev daemon, on the "kernel" side
[08:25] <pitti> they shouldn't even appear on the "udev" netlink side
[08:25] <pitti> (IMHO)
[08:25] <xnox> pitti: the way I see it, is that udevd will add a filter, but it's using libudev api throughout. So libudev needs "nofilter" functions that one can set excludes, which are applied to the requested monitor.
[08:26] <xnox> and udev netlink side is generated by udevd listening to kernel events?
[08:26] <pitti> xnox: yes, it has a private libudev API for that
[08:26]  * xnox thought that if I filter kernel netlink in udevd, nothing will appear on the udev netlink.
[08:26] <xnox> or is that not correct?
[08:26] <pitti> xnox: yes; udevd listens to the "kernel" originated uevents, applies its rules etc., adds the extra properties, tags, etc from them, and re-sends them as "udev" uevent source
[08:27] <pitti> and usually clients only listen to the "udev" source
[08:27] <xnox> i was hoping to record and replay the stream of udev events, with/without my filter to make sure that my filter is correct.
[08:27] <pitti> that's the difference between udevadm monitor --udev and --kernel
[08:27] <xnox> ok. so i understood that correct.
[08:27] <pitti> xnox: so it seems easiest to filter out that one event in udevd
[08:27] <pitti> without making any public API changes
[08:27] <pitti> (OMG, please let's not change any API/ABI for such a hilarious hack)
[08:27] <xnox> =)
[08:27] <xnox> ok.
[08:28] <xnox> it's just i don't want udev to wake up at all for those, hence the netlink filter.
[08:28] <pitti> xnox: exactly
[08:28] <pitti> xnox: hence applying that filter in udevd on the kernel side
[08:28] <pitti> instead of on the udev side, where udevd would wake up all the time
[08:28] <xnox> pitti: ack.
[08:29] <xnox> pitti: looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1234743/comments/7  i think that's variables as exported by upstart bridge.
[08:30] <xnox> pitti: but in uevent/udev terms are those properties?
[08:30] <pitti> xnox: yes, they are
[08:30] <pitti> xnox: attributes are in sysfs, like in /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/<fileX>
[08:30] <xnox> i think I just want to ignore any VSYNC.
[08:30] <xnox> change events.
[08:31] <pitti> xnox: properties are stuff that udev rules can add, and some come from the kernel or udevd itself (DRIVER, ACTION, USEC_INITALIZED, and so on)
[08:34] <pitti> xnox: hm, I guess you need to add an accessor to udev_monitor->sock to src/libudev/libudev-private.h
[08:35] <pitti> xnox: perhaps it's easiest indeed to add the hack to src/libudev/libudev-monitor.c indeed, to udev_monitor_new_from_netlink_fd() if name == "kernel"
[08:35] <xnox> well there is udev_monitor_filter_update() which applies the filters already
[08:35] <pitti> xnox: there you have the sock and can can attach the extra filter
[08:35] <xnox> (filter by subsystem or tag)
[08:36] <xnox> if i access and modify filter directely any calls to filter_update() will wipe mine. (i think, unless i'm careful to use a different magic #)
[08:36] <pitti> xnox: ah yes, that's fine; udev_monitor_enable_receiving() calls that, and is called by udevd at the beginning
[08:36] <xnox> so i was thinking, if I am to add api-less hack that would be there.
[08:36] <pitti> xnox: agreed
[08:36] <xnox> ack.
[08:37] <xnox> pitti: can udevmock reply kernel src uevents?
[08:38] <pitti> xnox: it doesn't actually make that distinction between kernel/udev
[08:38] <pitti> xnox: but I doubt that you currently can run udevd itself against umockdev, as all of its netlink filter operations just won't work on our fake unix socket
[08:40] <xnox> i see.
[08:40] <pitti> xnox: for testing, I propose you take any existing driver on your system, where you can trigger a kernel-level uevent by writing into /sys/.../udevent
[08:41] <pitti> xnox: and write your code with some other device name/property
[08:41] <pitti> xnox: s/udevent/uevent, of course
[08:41] <pitti> xnox: then, if filtering that out works, it should be a mere string replacement in your hack, and just one verification on maguro (or wherever that happens)
[08:43] <pitti> xnox: e. g.
[08:43] <pitti> $ echo change | sudo tee /sys/class/misc/uinput/uevent
[08:43] <pitti> $ udevadm monitor -e --kernel
[08:43] <pitti> [...]
[08:43] <pitti> KERNEL[16115.645262] change   /devices/virtual/misc/uinput (misc)
[08:43] <pitti> ACTION=change
[08:43] <pitti> [...]
[08:43] <pitti> (you need to start the monitor before, of course)
[08:48] <xnox> pitti: right, can i add attributes to it? or shall i write something in c then to emit proper uevent?
[08:49] <pitti> xnox: no, you can't change the set of attributes of a kobject, that's defined by the driver (only)
[08:49] <xnox> ah.
[08:50] <pitti> xnox: the /uevent attribute shows the kernel-defined properties
[08:50] <pitti> xnox: but I don't know whether you can "inject" them with that method
[08:51] <pitti> the naive approach with "echo -e 'change\nFOO=bar'" doesn't work
[08:51] <pitti> xnox: so perhaps test with MINOR= or something
[09:10] <mpt> mvo! Could you please review <https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/software-properties/update-apt-on-exit/+merge/190498>? It's a grand total of two lines change.
[09:19] <xnox> pitti: is systemd-udev statically linked againt libudev? cause i don't think i want to change the behaviour of libudev1 et.al.
[09:20] <pitti> xnox: yes, it is; it builds a libudev-private.la durig package build and links udevd, udevadm etc. against that
[09:20] <pitti> so that the private symbols don't appear in the public lib
[09:20] <pitti> xnox: actually I think with above approach you will
[09:21] <pitti> xnox: but that's ok; any other program which uses libudev to listen for kernel events will then also have these filtered out
[09:27] <xnox> pitti: i'm now thinking to cheat.
[09:28] <pitti> xnox: you are considering making the change in udevd.c only? then you'll need an accessor for "int sock" in libudev-private.h
[09:29] <xnox> pitti: i'd like to invert the meaning of lilter tag - from include only this tag, to drop anything tagged. Then add udev rule to tag omapfb device with tag "ignoreme" and then add udevd filter tag "ignoreme"
[09:29] <xnox> overall that should be quite small and obvious, yet horribly breaking all existing conventions.
[09:30] <xnox> unless that would break udevadm monitor =/
[09:30] <xnox> hmm... or I shall copy & paste.
[09:33] <tvoss> jodh, ping
[09:34] <jodh> tvoss: hi
[09:42] <pitti> xnox: re (sorry, was OTP)
[09:42] <pitti> xnox: "invert meaning of filter tag" sounds quite intrusive?
[09:42] <xnox> pitti: well, i think i came up with something even better now.
[09:42] <xnox> pitti: let me hack a bit, and I'll ping you for code review.
[09:43] <pitti> ack
[09:54] <tvoss> doko, mind pinging me the link to your fix for the pretty printer python scripts again?
[12:22] <kubuntu83> Greetings, everyone. Am I understanding correctly that, in Saucy, the appmenu-gtk* packages were superseded by packages which no longer work outside of Unity (particularly KDE)?
[12:23] <xnox> kubuntu83: define "no longer work" they do work with gtk2 and gtk3 panels (applets), indeed so far there is no appmenu-ng port to qt4/plasma. It does work in qt5/declarative for example.
[12:24] <xnox> no port to qt5/framework5 yet either, I think.
[12:28] <kubuntu83> xnox: Gtk2/3 apps are no longer exporting their menus under KDE -- not to KRunner, KWin, or Plasma (all of which are picking up Qt menus just fine).
[12:31] <xnox> kubuntu83: correct.
[12:32]  * xnox ponders if we should disable menuproxy for gtk under kde then.
[12:43] <kubuntu83> xnox: Any idea which packages I would need to downgrade/pin to get the old functionality back, or if that's even possible?
[12:46] <xnox> kubuntu83: i don't think it will be possible, as it's abi transition, you'd have to downgrade all the gtk apps to get them linked against older indicators, which in turn will bring a large can of worms and you end up running quantal.
[12:47] <cjwatson> barry: Er, WTF - running the system-image autopkgtests, they chmodded my /tmp to 2700
[12:47] <xnox> kubuntu83: i think it should be possible to export a varible / change gsettings such that the menubar is back within the app and clickable, but it will not export the menus anywhere either.
[12:49] <cjwatson> barry: I uploaded http://paste.ubuntu.com/6240379/ to make the autopkgtests pass again; Vcs-Bzr points to lp:~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/client, but that doesn't contain the packaging, so I didn't know if there was anywhere I could commit this
[12:51] <kubuntu83> xnox: It's already showing up within the app, so I guess it could be worse.
[12:56] <xnox> kubuntu83: oh, that's ok then.
[12:56] <xnox> kubuntu83: i don't think you can get better than that.
[12:56] <xnox> (i guess it checks and finds out there is no dbus service listening to receive the -ng menus, and gives up)
[12:56] <kubuntu83> :'(
[12:57] <kubuntu83> Sorry to bitch and moan. I just spent the weekend porting packages to Saucy, only to run into an issue that will probably keep me from using it.
[12:59] <barry> cjwatson: yikes, that's not good.  yeah, i'll fix that
[13:02] <kubuntu83> xnox: Sorry to keep bugging you, but do you have any idea who I should be petitioning to get a Qt4/Plasma port of appmenu-ng?
[13:03] <xnox> kubuntu83: can you write code? if not find a volunteer who wants to write it. it should be fairly straight forward from gtk port.
[13:04] <xnox> kubuntu83: it simply needs to find somebody with time to volunteer and contribute the qt4 port. no petitioning is required.
[13:04] <kubuntu83> xnox: Right, I was using "petitioning" figuratively. ;)
[13:05] <doko> mvo, apt ping
[13:06] <xnox> kubuntu83: ok =) i see.
[13:06] <kubuntu83> xnox: By the way, you said I'd end up running Quantal if I tried downgrading the relevant packages, but... Everything (appmenu-wise) was working fine in Raring. Not sure if that's relevant. I assumed appmenu-ng is new to Saucy, right?
[13:07] <xnox> kubuntu83: oh was it. can't remember if it was quantal or raring where the -ng appmenu was introduced, i might be wrong.
[13:07] <mvo> doko: apt pong (but in a meeting, so expect some delay in asnwering)
[13:11] <kubuntu83> xnox: Alright, well... Thanks for filling me in. Peace.
[13:40] <knocte> how can I know who is in charge of some ubuntu package?
[13:42] <mdeslaur> knocte: Ubuntu doesn't have maintainers like Debian does. Looking at the changelog may give you an indication of who usually updates it though.
[13:42] <xnox> pitti: here is my work in progress (sorry for so late, been pinged to do other stuff) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6240591/
[13:42] <mdeslaur> knocte: any package in particular?
[13:42] <knocte> mdeslaur: libgstreamer packages
[13:43] <xnox> pitti: completely untested at the moment, so the idea is that netlink filter will drop packets from devices tagged "ignore". Reusing existing netfilter logic used to _match only_ tag.
[13:43] <pitti> xnox: heh, fun; ages ago, udev actually had something like that already, but it was removed because nobody used it and it was considered a bad workaround for a kernel bug :)
[13:43] <pitti> xnox: right
[13:44] <mdeslaur> knocte: doesn't look like anyone in particular takes care of them. Best bet is to file a bug if you have an issue, or want to submit a debdiff to fix something.
[13:45] <knocte> I'll file a bug, thanks
[13:45] <pitti> xnox: so, I don't understand the logic in the first block (how does adding to udev_monitor->filter_tag_list suddenly make it a "no match" tag?)
[13:45] <xnox> pitti: well it still does have "nomatch" type of filters in the enumerate, just not in the monitors.
[13:45] <pitti> xnox: ah, filter_tag_list is actually that "filter out these tags" already?
[13:46] <xnox> pitti: so the difference is for all tags, compare lower/upper part of tags and if matched.....
[13:46] <xnox> ... previously jump after drop packet
[13:46] <xnox> now branch: for "match-only tagged" (old / normal) jump after drop packet; for "nomatch" jump _to_ drop packet;
[13:46] <pitti> (no idea how that code/bpf is working)
[13:48] <xnox> pitti: BPF_JMP -> jump instructions, BPF_JEQ if equal to BPF_K constant value. If true instruction location, false instruction location.
[13:48] <pitti> xnox: so, if that works, it looks fine to me; unintrusive (API-wise) and shoudl avoid all wakeups
[13:48] <xnox> pitti: depending on the value of the tag, i jump one instruction less or not.
[13:48] <xnox> (or jump past the drop or not)
[13:49] <pitti> xnox: what does the "nomatch" string value do?
[13:49] <xnox> i think it will drop everything if no tags matched at the moment. let me think about it.
[13:49] <pitti> list_entry in the top corresponds to udev_monitor->filter_tag_list?
[13:49] <xnox> pitti: at the moment it can be any. _add_match_filter results in value NULL, and at the moment i simply use ! NULL to consider that it's nomatch branch.
[13:49] <pitti> otherwise it would break the default behaviour
[13:50] <xnox> pitti: so "nomatch" can be any string.
[13:50] <pitti> ah, ok
[13:50] <xnox> pitti: i guess instead of if (udev_list_entry_get_value(list_entry) == NULL)  I could do explicit string comparison.
[13:50] <pitti> the code uses filter_tag_list for positive matches, though
[13:51] <pitti> so if you change that list to mean "filter out" tags, how does that not break current behaviour?
[13:51] <xnox> pitti: i'm trying to conditionalise it.
[13:51] <xnox> pitti: by adjusting the actions when tags are matched. I guess i'm wrong now.
[13:51] <pitti> xnox: ah, that's just a check if it works at all, not yet meant to be fully working
[13:52] <xnox> pitti: since untagged by default would be now dropped, if there is only one nomatch tag.........
[13:52]  * xnox needs to think about it.
[13:53] <xnox> maybe i need a global flag / option then (not on per tag level) if the filter_tags are to include-only or exclude-only
[14:01] <pitti> xnox: hm, that sounds a bit dangerous as well
[14:02] <xnox> pitti: well, the api is private and not public, and we only expose / use it in one place in udevd, such that if behaviour for udevd is correct and the libudev behaviour is un-changed we should be ok.
[14:06] <barry> jdstrand: ping
[14:21] <jdstrand> barry: hi!
[14:22] <barry> jdstrand: hi!  could you sanity check: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image/+bug/1235975/comments/5
[14:27] <jdstrand> barry: I think that is all reasonable, but might mention this-- now that /var/log/system-image and /var/lib/system-image will be created with the correct permissions, why not move the 'correct bad permissions' code into postinst conditional on an upgrade to the release (or past) the one that fixes the issue?
[14:28] <jdstrand> barry: furthermore, shouldn't the debian packaging be creating those directories in the first place? that way they can be cleaned up on uninstall
[14:29] <jdstrand> (perhaps the debian packaging is already doing that-- it wasn't clear from the comment)
[14:30] <barry> jdstrand: it's not, but i do think it makes sense to have the packaging change any existing directories, and leave the s-i code to *create* files and directories correctly.  that would leave just the logfile itself and the random temp subdir.
[14:30] <barry> jdstrand: of course, if someone changes the config file to point to different locations, their on their own
[14:31] <barry> *they're
[14:31] <jdstrand> barry: yes. I think that is reasonable in this case
[14:32] <barry> jdstrand: i think i will open a new bug for this and try to squeeze in a 1.9.1.  if you want to review the branches (yes, two of them) let me know
[14:32] <jdstrand> ok
[14:37] <cjwatson> barry: could you look at the current system-image autopkgtest failures?  Linked from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#system-image (the public link probably isn't up to date yet; the private link requires batuan VPN access)
[14:38] <barry> cjwatson: lool is pinging me on #ubuntu-touch, probably about the same thing ;)
[14:38] <cjwatson> yep
[14:53] <barry> jdstrand: LP: #1240105
[15:42] <jdstrand> barry: ack
[15:42] <infinity> sarnold: *pokity poke*
[16:07] <jtaylor> stgraber: re bug 1236957, python3-pyparsing is provided by pyparsing, a different source package
[16:11] <stgraber> jtaylor: oh, indeed, so source only removal then, good
[16:11] <stgraber> well, no, source and one binary
[16:12] <stgraber> jtaylor: done
[16:13] <jtaylor> thx
[16:56] <PeterCassetta> Is this the right place to ask about getting certain universe packages updated?
[17:05] <sarnold> infinity: sorry, I've not yet started 1220434 for curtin, but if it's any consolation I took my dog for a good long walk in the wonderful weather on yesterday's day off :)
[17:06] <xnox> PeterCassetta: usually, just ask whatever you want to ask =)))) then people can respond and/or redirect.
[17:06] <infinity> sarnold: We're cutting it pretty dangerously close to release.
[17:06] <xnox> PeterCassetta: nobody asks to ask a question on irc ;-)
[17:07] <PeterCassetta> xnox, okay, cool.
[17:13] <sarnold> infinity: indeed :(
[17:14] <PeterCassetta> There's a few applications I use fairly often which are pretty out of date.
[17:15] <PeterCassetta> OpenTTD in the software center is 1.2.3, but the latest stable version is 1.3.2.
[17:16] <PeterCassetta> Blender is also two versions behind (soon to be three), at 2.66a.
[17:16] <PeterCassetta> The latest official stable version is 2.68a.
[17:17] <cjwatson> Realistically, the best way to get that kind of thing updated is to get the Debian maintainer to update their packages, and then we'll sync/merge them into whatever the current Ubuntu development release is at the time
[17:17] <cjwatson> And maybe then backport to stable releases
[17:17] <cjwatson> In saucy, openttd is 1.3.1, blender is still 2.66a
[17:17] <cjwatson> But we don't update stable releases with new upstream versions, generally - that's what the various -backports repositories are for
[17:18] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[17:18] <cjwatson> blender is 2.68a in saucy-proposed, but unfortunately it fails to build everywhere
[17:18] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blender/2.68a-3
[17:19] <cjwatson> So that needs to be fixed
[17:19] <cjwatson> Looks like it may perhaps be blocked on the libav 9 transition, which will be happening early in the next release cycle
[17:19] <cjwatson> Might need extra work to be backportable then, though
[17:20] <PeterCassetta> cjwatson, are universe packages generally not updated after an Ubuntu release comes out?
[17:20] <cjwatson> No
[17:20] <cjwatson> Except sometimes in -backports
[17:24] <PeterCassetta> cjwatson, just to be clear: If, say, OpenTTD is backported from saucy, would I then be able to install it on ringtail?
[17:25] <cjwatson> PeterCassetta: I don't recall how it shows up in software-center, but worst case it would be installable on raring with "apt-get -t raring-backports install ..."
[17:28] <PeterCassetta> cjwatson, okay, one last question: When asking for a backport from, say, saucy, would I report it in the project "saucy-backports"?
[17:29] <cjwatson> No, report it on the target (e.g. raring-backports)
[17:29] <PeterCassetta> cjwatson: Okay, cool, thanks for the help. :)
[17:29] <rbasak> PeterCassetta: full explanation here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports#Requesting_a_Backport
[17:29] <cjwatson> np
[17:58] <Bluefoxicy> bah.  I can't figure out how to get dpkg to stop deleting everything and failing.
[17:58] <Bluefoxicy> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file tests/test_gridfs.py
[18:02] <Bluefoxicy> clint byrum... that's who I need to find.
[19:35] <alkisg> Hi, this recent bug fix causes a regression, i.e. it no longer respects the default Xorg resolution but gnome-settings-daemon now forces the highest one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1065979
[19:36] <alkisg> Should I file the regression as a separate bug report, or just comment in the same one?
[19:39] <Laney> alkisg: bah
[19:40] <Laney> alkisg: There's already bug #1236752
[19:41] <Laney> We should probably revert it and then Ritesh can try again if he wants to
[19:41] <alkisg> Thank you Laney, yeah, please do so :)
[19:41] <alkisg> I just commented on the first bug report a minute ago
[19:41] <Laney> FourDollars: ^ you verified this
[19:43] <mercury00> hello all. I've built a .deb package with a postinst script that edits a grub config (enables console). However, rather than call update-grub in the postinst, I'd like to 'trigger' grub to update once all packages are updated (the correct way). I believe there's a way to do this but simply cannot find it. any ideas?
[19:44] <mercury00> for instance my package might get installed when someone also installs a new kernel. rather than update grub twice, I;m sure there's a built-in way to make grub update after all packages are installed, and I'm sure the kernel packages use it but don't know how they do so. Thanks for any help.
[19:53] <Laney> alkisg: Uploaded
[19:53] <alkisg> Thank you, I'll give feedback as soon as it builds
[19:56] <Laney> bdmurray: ScottK: (picking on two of you at random) could you look at accepting gnome-settings-daemon/precise-proposed? It's a regression-update revert.
[19:58] <smoser> bdmurray, ping
[19:58] <smoser> do you have a thought on bug 1239893
[20:00] <mercury00> also, I assume this is the correct channel to ask such questions? Just want to make sure I'm not spamming the wrong place
[20:05] <bdmurray> smoser: I'm looking at your changes now.  Could you elaborate on your question though?
[20:06] <infinity> mercury00: That would require update-grub supporting triggers, which I don't believe it currently does.
[20:07] <mercury00> ah, ok - what's the general way to trigger update-menus and such though?
[20:09] <infinity> mercury00: Generally, packages handle this by triggering in their own update scripts so you don't have to think terribly hard about it.
[20:09] <mercury00> I know that when I run updates on several packages, I only see the update menus and all that at the very end of the process, but I don't know how to to that
[20:09] <infinity> mercury00: For instance, calling update-initramfs or ldconfig from a postinst will make them trigger, rather than run immediately.
[20:10] <mercury00> infinity: ah, ok so it's captured by dpkg or something then, if I call update-initramfs in postinst it triggers it instead?
[20:11] <infinity> mercury00: dpkg exports some magic variables when executing a postinst, and then if the called binary understand what that means, it can defer to a trigger instead.
[20:11] <mercury00> infinity: good to know: is there a list anywhere of what programs are /triggered/ rather than executed in postinst? I'm mostly only curious at this point, but still couldn't find any documentation on that
[20:11] <infinity> mercury00: /sbin/ldconfig is likely the simplest example of that on your system.
[20:12] <smoser> bdmurray, just wanted to know if you had a clear idea on what had regressed. i didn't understand how this path would hav regressed.
[20:12] <infinity> mercury00: There's no definitive list, as this is up to the packages themselves, not up to the distribution as a whole.
[20:12] <mercury00> infinity: aha, that makes sense
[20:13] <infinity> mercury00: The idea is that, as the caller, this should all be transparent to you.  You call what you should intruitively call (directly, or via debhepler-inserted things), and if the package does fancy things behind your back, that's its business.
[20:14] <alkisg> mercury00: $ cat debian/ltsp-client-core.triggers
[20:14] <alkisg> activate update-initramfs
[20:14] <bdmurray> smoser: did software-properties used to accept ppa: style lines?
[20:14] <smoser> yeah.
[20:15] <alkisg> mercury00: With a .triggers file you specify what trigger you want to activate
[20:15] <alkisg> You don't call update-initramfs
[20:15] <smoser> bdmurray, i just tested. and this bug existed in 0.92.26
[20:15] <mercury00> alksig: I saw some documentation on that, but couldn't find any list of what the triggers actually were,
[20:15] <alkisg> mercury00: https://wiki.debian.org/DpkgTriggers
[20:15] <mercury00> alksig: just how to call them
[20:15] <mercury00> alksig: ah, thanks,
[20:16] <alkisg> mercury00: there's a list there. also, tab in irc autocompletes the name so that you get it right :)
[20:17] <mercury00> alksig: aha, that's the one I was looking for, I was sure that ubuntu had patched grub to accept the trigger for multiple kernel updates
[20:17] <sarnold> (more like, it changes how you get it wrong :)
[20:17] <mercury00> or multiple whatever updates
[20:17] <mercury00> thanks, didn't know about autocomplete in irc
[20:19] <arges> Hi. bug 1065979 seems to be a regression for some users. How can I properly tag it so that patch gets reverted?
[20:20] <Laney> arges: I uploaded it and pinged bdmurray but he chose not to reply ;-)
[20:23] <arges> Laney: should it be tagged 'regression' or something so it gets on somebody's radar? or bdmurray can handle it since you already pinged him
[20:25] <Laney> arges: I think I did the right thing in the bug referenced from the changelog
[20:25] <Laney> anyway, off now
[20:25] <arges> Laney: ok thanks
[20:25] <mercury00> alkisg: one last question then: my package source builds several packages, so i have package1.postinst and package2.postinst --- does this mean I also want package1.triggers?
[20:26] <bdmurray> Laney, arges: I'll look at it before my EOD
[20:29] <arges> ok
[20:31] <smoser> bdmurray, i take my above comment back . i've never used that before.
[20:40] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: can I attack an apport file to an existing bug?
[20:40] <mdeslaur> s/attack/attach/
[20:40]  * mdeslaur searches for appropriate magic incantation
[20:41] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: what do you mean my apport file? a .crash file or something else?
[20:41] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: I ran ubuntu-bug on a machine without a browser, and I selected the "save for later" option. It generated an .apport file
[20:42] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: just ubuntu-bug .apport file will work
[20:42] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: but that wants to open a new bug, instead of attaching to the bug I already have...
[20:42] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs says I should be able to use -u, but it doesn't work
[20:42] <alkisg> mercury00: not all packagesXX will need to trigger the trigger. For example, ltsp-client-core does need to trigger update-initramfs, but ltsp-client doesn't. So there's no ltsp-client.triggers file.
[20:44] <bdmurray> mdeslaur: ah so no there isn't a way to do that
[20:44] <mdeslaur> bdmurray: ok, thanks!
[20:49] <mdeslaur> xnox: I've attached requested info to the ubiquity timezone failure bug
[21:09] <mercury00> alkisg: right, only one of my packages will need to trigger something, so I'd put the instructions in my package1.triggers file then it seems?
[21:10] <alkisg> yup
[21:32] <cappyt> Hi everyone, i have a problem doing a live/installable iso based on my current system. I run 13.04 and i tried using remastersys, but it seems not working anymore... anyone has suggestions?
[21:35] <mercury00> cappyt: do you have any info about what's not working in particular? error messages? (I have no idea myself, but you'll probably get better help if you have some idea what's wrong)
[21:35] <cappyt> i can provide a log, if you want
[21:41] <bdmurray> smoser: I think you need to use strip() as DialogAdd adds a '\n'
[21:59] <cappyt> This is my remastersys.log https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1x0krrddxExV0RJbEh1VEpDLXc/edit?usp=drive_web
[21:59] <cappyt> i can't figure out why is not creating the ISO.
[23:30] <sarnold> infinity: security team ACK on including curtin in main, details to follow in bug report "soon"
[23:45] <stgraber> sarnold: yay!
[23:46] <stgraber> infinity: was about to promote but just noticed that we only have a security team ack and not an ack from a MIR team member so I'll let you deal with that (since you've got all the hats necessary to deal with it)