[05:00] <tom`> Somehow X got fubared. I can't seem to find any useful error messages, but gdm never loads -- /etc/init.d/start gdm gets me a blank screen with the X cursor and an error message about X already running. Can anyone help?
[05:01] <topyli> Gwildor: canonical support is commercial. they don't want to bother with forums i guess
[05:01] <plasmo> mmm
[05:01] <Gwildor> tost, only my second distro, its great, been with linux for about 2 monnths
[05:01] <topyli> tost: ubuntu is dead easy
[05:01] <tost> ah ok, i use mdk, and i wanted to install ubuntu on another partition
[05:01] <Gwildor> tost, go for it
[05:02] <Phr0stByte> tost: I am a 4 year Mandrake user and am quite happy with Ubuntu
[05:02] <Gwildor> tost, must say though, im not leaving
[05:02] <tost> yeah yeah keep cool, i'll test it of course
[05:02] <plasmo> im pretty new to linux. about half a year now
[05:02] <plasmo> ubuntu seems good :)
[05:03] <ermo> plasmo, it not only *seems* good. It *is* good. (I'm on my ... oh dear ... 6th year?)
[05:03] <tost> Phr0stByte, i wanted to be a club-member, but i doesn't earn lots of money ;-)
[05:03] <Gwildor> ermo, getting up there?
[05:03] <tom`> plasmo: Yep, it took me over a week to fubar my ubuntu system, which is better than what I'd do with most :)
[05:03] <topyli> tost: i've used mandrake myself since about 7.0
[05:03] <Phr0stByte> tost: Heh
[05:03] <ermo> Gwildor, apparently...
[05:03] <plasmo> lol
[05:04] <plasmo> yeah i started out with some live cd distro. then with suse 9.1 . now into ubuntu
[05:04] <tost> what kernel and kde did it use ?
[05:04] <topyli> tost: then again, i've used debian for a long time too so i don't really know what a mandrake -> ubuntu transition feels like
[05:04] <ermo> guess that means I have a habit. And I once swore to me mum that I'd never get hooked.  Debian _is_ done right.
[05:05] <Gwildor> tost, i dont have kde installed so i cant say the version, and im on hoary, gnome is default
[05:05] <Hitch-Hiker> I thought Suse 9.1 was quite good for a newbie, just a bit of a Fisher Price feel though
[05:05] <tost>  warty-release-install-i386.iso            20-Oct-2004 01:35  523M             <--- this one ?
[05:06] <Gwildor> yup
[05:06] <Tomcat_> which means ubuntu basically feels to me like debian-done-right. <--- my words :)
[05:06] <nonajme> slackware -> gentoo -> debian -> gentoo -> ubuntu for me
[05:06] <topyli> Gwildor: i think he's asking about the kde in mandrake 7.0 :)
[05:06] <Phr0stByte> Hitch-Hiker: nice description!
[05:06] <Gwildor> hitch-hikerm thats why i can to ubuntu, i wanted something easy to learn on, but something that i could feel happy with forever
[05:07] <Hitch-Hiker> Thx :)
[05:07] <Gwildor> topyli, oh,.......sorry
[05:07] <Hitch-Hiker> Yep, same here
[05:07] <Hitch-Hiker> Really like ubuntu
[05:08] <Hitch-Hiker> I've ugraded my repsositories to hoary
[05:08] <tost> can i install the deb pakets from debian ?
[05:08] <Phr0stByte> tost: My job payed for it
[05:08] <Hitch-Hiker> and updated
[05:08] <Karnaugh> tost: yes of course..
[05:08] <topyli> u-BUN-tooo! we're quite a sweet bunch of fanboys aren't we :)
[05:08] <PotajiTo> wenas
[05:09] <Karnaugh> tost: ooh-boon-to actualy
[05:09] <m00se> Karnaugh, not 'of course', sometimes debian packages won't work
[05:09] <plasmo> oh i thought it was U BUN Toe
[05:09] <Karnaugh> m00se: why not?
[05:09] <tom`> I tried to update firefox because it was crashing a goodbit. I believe that's what fubared my X.  After all, I went from sid to ubuntu so I could have a semblance of stability.
[05:09] <onestep> hi... just installed to HD . Sound doesn't work, screen resolution doesn't give option of 1024x768, and my 'other' partition hde1 isn't displayed and won't mount. Any help would be appreciated!
[05:09] <Karnaugh> plasmo: nope
[05:09] <tom`> ~s/not/now/
[05:10] <m00se> because some libs can have different versions in ubuntu and in debian
[05:10] <Hitch-Hiker> onestep: son't panic, it's all fixable  . . .  .. just not by me :(
[05:10] <Karnaugh> m00se: dpkg should resolve that
[05:10] <tost> but i can't imagine that the .iso is just 500mb big
[05:11] <onestep> I'm a linux NOOB so it's all beyond me too!
[05:11] <m00se> Karnaugh, lets say you want package foo from debian which depends on libbar
[05:11] <usual> was the gnome screenshot app removed from hoary
[05:11] <usual> or is it a bug
[05:11] <onestep> It all worked soooooooooooo well on the Live disc
[05:11] <m00se> but debian has libbar 1.0 and ubuntu 0.9, chances are foo won't work
[05:11] <Hitch-Hiker> Hange around here and your problems will be answered . . . sometime
[05:11] <plasmo> its move in gnome util or something. itll be fixed soon i guess
[05:11] <usual> k
[05:12] <Karnaugh> m00se: err, so update libbar?
[05:12] <Hitch-Hiker> Onestep: have you installed Grub to HDA1?
[05:12] <onestep> Well I hope so, I really don't want to do another 2 hour install! ...lol
[05:12] <plasmo> lol
[05:12] <m00se> karakth, but then you'll need libbar from debian, and it may need some other libs from debian too
[05:12] <Karnaugh> m00se: are you telling me that Ubuntu has its own separate apt mirror?
[05:12] <flodin> where can I browse the packages available in ubuntu?
[05:12] <Gwildor> yup
[05:12] <onestep> grub installed on MBR
[05:12] <Karnaugh> m00se: with its own package maintainers and everything?
[05:12] <plasmo> well kinda
[05:13] <m00se> s/karakth/Karnaugh
[05:13] <topyli> tost: ubuntu is a compact system by default. hence, no cds 2-7
[05:13] <m00se> Karnaugh, yes
[05:13] <Karnaugh> m00se: why?
[05:13] <Hitch-Hiker> Ok, I'm assuming you have a dual partition with windows
[05:13] <m00se> hoary is more or less tracking debian versions
[05:13] <onestep> Yes I do
[05:13] <Hitch-Hiker> and your in ubuntu now
[05:13] <tost> topyli, yeah but 500mb is not so much
[05:13] <tom`> onestep: To see if ubuntu saw your harddrive, you might try dmesg | grep 'hd[a-z] ' and see what shows up.
[05:13] <m00se> Karnaugh, because Ubunto is not Debian :)
[05:13] <onestep> yes i'm in ubuntu
[05:13] <Karnaugh> m00se: its heavily based on it isnt it?
[05:14] <m00se> it is
[05:14] <m00se> but it's not identical
[05:14] <Hitch-Hiker> get a console up and type sudo fdisk -l
[05:14] <Karnaugh> so what exactly is different?
[05:14] <Karnaugh> that would effect a package
[05:14] <topyli> tost: hmm. base system, X, gnome, openoffice, firefox. no games. do the math :)
[05:14] <m00se> Karnaugh, depends on the package
[05:14] <Karnaugh> rather a waste to track the debian mirrors, why not just make it cross compatible
[05:14] <m00se> some ubuntu packages have ubuntu specific patches applied, others don't
[05:15] <tost> ubuntu use gnome ?
[05:15] <plasmo> toat: yes
[05:15] <m00se> Karnaugh, but then ubuntu would be debian so it would be pointless
[05:15] <Karnaugh> tost: no, its teh default, feel free to remove it and use what you like
[05:15] <Karnaugh> m00se: exactly
[05:15] <topyli> Karnaugh: it's what they support though
[05:15] <onestep> oh-k
[05:16] <m00se> Karnaugh, i had this problem with warty
[05:16] <tost> Karnaugh, ah ok .
[05:16] <m00se> i installed galeon form debian
[05:16] <topyli> m00se: why
[05:16] <topyli> ?
[05:16] <m00se> but then new version of galeon entered debian, but it was compiled against newer version of mozilla which wasn't avaialable in ubuntu
[05:17] <plasmo> sleep time ^^;'
[05:17] <Karnaugh> m00se: and what stoped you from updating mozilla from the debian packages?
[05:17] <flodin> what is the current version of gnome in ubuntu?
[05:18] <m00se> Karnaugh, i was iafraid it'll break something
[05:18] <topyli> 2.8.1
[05:18] <m00se> some other mozilla deps
[05:18] <flodin> goodie
[05:18] <onestep> I see hde1 listed, but not sure what to do with info
[05:18] <Hitch-Hiker> onestep: when you boot up, does grub give you an option to boot to windows?
[05:18] <onestep> yes i get option to boot into windows
[05:18] <m00se> brb
[05:18] <Hitch-Hiker> but it doesn't work?
[05:19] <aaroncuk> ok its jammed again!! not good
[05:19] <onestep> i can boot into windows. that not the problem. from ubuntu i can't access the windows partition
[05:19] <Hitch-Hiker> Ah!
[05:19] <Hitch-Hiker> thats not such a problem
[05:19] <tost> now i download the 500mb file with wget
[05:19] <onestep> hard tell'in, not know'in !
[05:19] <aaroncuk> does ubuntu totally format the drive on install.. could it be something from a previous install causing my system to just stop installing?
[05:20] <melanie> my synaptic icon disappeared. how can i get it back?
[05:20] <tom`> onestep: What format is your windows partition?
[05:21] <onestep> fat 32
[05:21] <Xamusk> hello there
[05:22] <Xamusk> do you know which one is the most updated right now: ubuntu live or gnoppix?
[05:22] <Hitch-Hiker> just need to edit the /etc/fstab file
[05:22] <onestep> with the live cd i was able to access the windows partition, but with hardrive install i can't
[05:23] <melanie> Xamusk: take a look at distrowatch.com
[05:23] <Hitch-Hiker> so your windows partition is hde1
[05:23] <tom`> onestep: Have you tried something like... sudo /mnt/fat32 followed by sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/hde1 /mnt/fat32 (where X is the partition number of your windows partition)
[05:23] <onestep> yes windows is hde1
[05:23] <topyli> Xamusk: what do you want to be up to date? gnome?
[05:24] <Hitch-Hiker> tom: would that add it to fstab too?
[05:24] <tom`> Hitch-Hiker: No -- that would let him know if it works. Then I'd add it to fstab :)
[05:24] <Hitch-Hiker> OKie dokie
[05:24] <onestep> tom: i tried mount /dev/ hde1 /mnt/hdei
[05:24] <tom`> onestep: What happened?
[05:24] <Hitch-Hiker> you need to create a directory first
[05:24] <eruin> cursed be my inet connection
[05:24] <Hitch-Hiker> to mount over
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> mkdir .mnt/hde1
[05:25] <Karnaugh> m00se: I see now, sorry.
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> oops
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> mkdir /mnt/hde1
[05:25] <onestep> hitch ihike: i'l;l try that
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> then mount it
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> as tom said
[05:26] <Xamusk> topyli: things in general... cause both are already using gnome 2.8... I'd like xorg too
[05:26] <Xamusk> it's a pity none have blender installed
[05:26] <tom`> Hitch-Hiker: So is ubuntu supposed to do all this automagically? I notice it can magically handle my memory sticks... but for my zip drive, I had to add an fstab entry. Perhaps the same goes for windows?
[05:27] <the_one> hi
[05:27] <tom`> ~s/windows/windows/partition/
[05:27] <topyli> Xamusk: dunno. ubuntu is probably the better desktop, with more packages available
[05:27] <the_one> I have a big problem with my desktop
[05:27] <Hitch-Hiker> different distos handle it differently ;)
[05:27] <tom`> the_one: explain...
[05:27] <eim> Anyone in here using Ubuntu GNU/Linux on server systems? I'm considering Warty as a replacement for Woody.
[05:27] <Xamusk> I'm using debian sid right now... I wanted a good live-cd to use in my vacation
[05:28] <the_one> when I login it says that it has detected a panel running, and it doesn't show the gnome panels anymore
[05:28] <the_one> luckilly I had some shorcuts to xchat on the desktop
[05:29] <Xamusk> what? ubuntu uses xorg?
[05:29] <the_one> I just changed some safe settings in gconf after installing some new themes..
[05:29] <the_one> how do I force the panels to appear
[05:29] <the_one> ?
[05:30] <the_one> anyone?
[05:30] <Xamusk> does ubuntu have k3b? it doesnt appear in distrowatch
[05:31] <Hitch-Hiker> The fix was to start a terminal (right click on desktop, "open terminal") and run the command "gnome-panel". They started up again fine ... I checked "Computer|Desktop Preferences|Sessions|Current Session" and scrolled down to confirm that "gnome-panel" has the Style "restart" ... so I stopped the command-line panels (by hitting ctrl-C in the terminal) and the panels vanished, and restarted happily.
[05:31] <the_one> xamusk: you can install it later, k3b is not installed by default
[05:31] <Hitch-Hiker> from the ubuntu website
[05:31] <Hitch-Hiker> on panels
[05:31] <Xamusk> the_one: and what is the default cd-burner?
[05:31] <the_one> nautilus-cd-burner
[05:32] <the_one> hitch-hiker: will try it your way..
[05:32] <Xamusk> humph
[05:32] <Hitch-Hiker> Not my way - the ubuntu way  ;o)
[05:32] <Hitch-Hiker> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-05.5471347004
[05:32] <the_one> it says: I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit
[05:32] <tom`> the_one: THat happens to me occasionally -- the panel thing. I just do a killall gnome-panel and then relogin :)
[05:33] <Hitch-Hiker> kill it
[05:33] <the_one> ok
[05:33] <the_one> where's my shotgun...
[05:33] <the_one> sudo killall
[05:33] <the_one> ?
[05:34] <Hitch-Hiker> killall gnome-panel
[05:34] <theine> What's the recommend way of installing real player on ubuntu?
[05:34] <Hitch-Hiker> with sudo probably
[05:34] <Xamusk> ok... I'm opting for ubuntu
[05:34] <the_one> ok
[05:34] <onestep> Tom / Hitch-Hiker: thanks for the mount help.. it worked! Now, how do I add this to gnomes "computer place" as an icon to mount / unmount ?
[05:34] <the_one> sudo killall gnome-panel
[05:34] <the_one> ok
[05:34] <Hitch-Hiker> you could mount it atomatically at boot
[05:34] <eim> mirak: And? unison works fine?
[05:34] <Xamusk> does ubuntu support pt_br, like debian?
[05:34] <Hitch-Hiker> just edit /etc/fstab
[05:34] <tom`> onestep: Add a line to fstab and it will automatically show up.
[05:35] <the_one> hey, it worked!
[05:35] <the_one> thanks
[05:35] <Hitch-Hiker> coolio
[05:35] <onestep> add hde1 to it?
[05:35] <Hitch-Hiker> yes
[05:35] <the_one> btw, can this happen frequently? any idea why?
[05:35] <Hitch-Hiker> see the format of the other lines in the file
[05:35] <tom`> onestep: The easiest way is just to copy one of the preexisting lines and paste. Then change it to hde1, the mount point you want, and change ext3 to fat32
[05:35] <onestep> oh-k i'm gonna try that... THANKS!
[05:36] <tom`> the_one: I've had it happen now and again. No idea why, but i believe it's usually been after I've done an update.
[05:36] <topyli> eim: i use unison every day, no problem
[05:36] <Xamusk> bye
[05:36] <Xamusk> gonna try it
[05:36] <eim> topyli: Yes, me too. mirak just asked for such a tool before. I use unison to sync my home between my iBook and my x86 workstation.
[05:36] <the_one> thank y'all
[05:37] <Hitch-Hiker> no probs
[05:37] <topyli> eim: ah. i use it to sync the desktops of my work and home boxen
[05:37] <the_one> what a nice thing can our community be :)
[05:37] <topyli> over ssh
[05:38] <tom`> Ah -- finally. I got X back! Word to the wise -- don't try to upgrade just a few pieces to hoary. It's not pretty :)
[05:38] <the_one> see you later
[05:38] <the_one> bye
[05:38] <Hitch-Hiker> bye
[05:38] <PotajiTo> i've only updated xorg from hoary and it works nice tom`
[05:38] <eim> topyli: I'm considering to use also rsync to sync my stuff but AFAIK rsync has no support for syncing 'both-ways'.
[05:39] <tom`> PotajiTo: Well - I'm glad it worked for you :)
[05:39] <PotajiTo> what was your problem?
[05:39] <PotajiTo> i updated to xorg and then installed the nvidia drivers
[05:39] <PotajiTo> via apt
[05:39] <Hitch-Hiker> are you suppossed to reinstall the ATI graphics drivers after updating to Xorg?
[05:39] <tom`> PotajiTo: Not sure what went wrong here, but it was easier to revert than to sniff it out. X stopped starting. No useful error messages that I could find. I had just updated firefox and everything it pulled with it. Then I tried updating to Xorg to no avail.
[05:40] <Vince-0_Linux> how do I get more apps (like XMMS) into my new Ubuntu ?
[05:40] <Matt|> Hitch-Hiker, it depends
[05:40] <Vince-0_Linux> any1?
[05:40] <tom`> Vince-0_Linux: synaptic or aptitude.
[05:40] <PotajiTo> what is aptitude?
[05:40] <Hitch-Hiker> have you update your apt repositories Vince?
[05:40] <Vince-0_Linux> tom: its all foreign to me
[05:40] <Vince-0_Linux> Hitch-Hiker : how ?
[05:40] <Matt|> Vince-0, yeah you can use synaptic to add applications, and you need to add repositories using the "settings" menu
[05:41] <topyli> eim: i believe rsync will get confused if both ends have changes
[05:41] <eim> topyli: Yes.
[05:41] <alge> anyone using skype on ubuntu?
[05:41] <tom`> Vince-0_Linux: Synaptic Package Manager is a tool under the Computer menu that will make it all do-able through the preferences menus.
[05:41] <Vince-0_Linux> tom: I am in GNOME, i see no settings menu
[05:41] <alge> or for that matter is anyone using skype on any linux?
[05:42] <Matt|> alge, no but i've heard it works
[05:42] <PotajiTo> skype?
[05:42] <Matt|> Vince-0, do this. Go to "Computer" --> System Configuration --> Synaptic
[05:42] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt : shot son
[05:42] <alge> I guess I'm in need of help with ubuntu's sound system?
[05:42] <Matt|> Vince-0, then go to "Settings" --> Repositories and enable the universe repository.
[05:43] <Matt|> Vince-0, then click ok, and click "Reload" and then you can look for all the apps you like
[05:43] <eim> Is there a special Ubuntu PPC channel anywhere like #debian-ppc? Thanks.
[05:43] <theine> is it possible to tune helix player to play real audio and video?
[05:44] <Hitch-Hiker> Vince-0 : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[05:44] <Hitch-Hiker> Web forums are back up
[05:44] <Vince-0_Linux> shot alot doods
[05:44] <topyli> theine: you need real player
[05:47] <eim> How can I reinstall grub? grub-install /dev/hda?
[05:49] <Vince-0_Linux> So what is this synaptic reload thing downloading ?
[05:50] <topyli> Vince-0_Linux: it does 'apt-get update'. it updates the package info so that apt knows what is available
[05:50] <melanie> how do i have to install mod_mono?
[05:50] <Vince-0_Linux> sweet
[05:53] <topyli> eim: i'm not sure but grub has names like "hd(0,0)"
[05:53] <eim> topyli: There's a grub map file which maps this to /dev/hda or else.
[05:54] <topyli> eim: ah. well, so far i've never even tried to understand grub-fu
[05:54] <eim> topyli: grub-install /dev/hda should be the solution. I've just to test it.
[05:55] <mirak> eim: I realised that unisson must be installed on both side, unfortunely I don't own the root rights on the other side (and the admin is a loser)
[05:56] <eim> mirak: You cold eventually compile it from source and install in ~/bin
[05:56] <mirak> eim: I will try to do a user install
[05:56] <mirak> yes
[05:56] <mirak> +
[05:56] <eim> mirak: As far as you're in any case only syncing user-files and user-level running unison session should suffice.
[05:56] <topyli> mirak: yes, ./configure --prefix=$HOME/lib or something
[05:56] <eim> mirak: s/and/an/
[05:57] <alge> eim-grub has a command line interface
[05:57] <eim> alge: Yes, I know.
[05:57] <alge> U can use that to replace you MBR if something like Windows trashed it
[05:58] <alge> what do u mean by re-install
[05:58] <eim> alge: ok
[05:58] <alge> update a boot menu, or re-write the MBR
[06:00] <eim> alge: Update the boot menu.
[06:00] <alge> thats much easyier
[06:00] <baluba> unrar is there in restricted?
[06:00] <melanie> how can i find out which apache server version is running?
[06:00] <alge> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:00] <eim> alge: Fine. Thanks.
[06:00] <alge> read the comments
[06:01] <eim> melanie: dpkg -l |grep apache
[06:01] <alge> there is an auto config setcion, only edit above or below the markers
[06:01] <topyli> baluba: either that or multiverse. i think you want unrar-nonfree (better, and more evil)
[06:01] <alge> or it'll wipe out your changes if U update your kernel
[06:01] <baluba> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-e0e6dc9e5bd6728be5ddaf3c500b9271ccb9390a
[06:02] <baluba> topyli, i guess too
[06:02] <alge> keep in mind that u do-not have to rewright the MBR after you edit
[06:03] <alge> grub just reads the menu file on re-boot
[06:03] <alge> much better then LILO :-)
[06:03] <eim> alge: Fine. Thanks. What about software RAID support in GRUB? Can GRUB boot from /dev/md* devices?
[06:03] <melanie> eim: i have different versions. 1.3.33 and 2.0.52
[06:04] <alge> yes
[06:04] <melanie> eim: how can i get rid of the old one?
[06:04] <eim> melanie: This means you've installed booth 1.3.x and 2.0.x versions.
[06:04] <alge> grub doesnt make very many distintions for different device types, like linux
[06:04] <melanie> eim: looks like
[06:04] <AnonBlonde> hellooo everyone
[06:04] <eim> melanie: dpkg --purge apache-1.3.33 (Or similiar).
[06:05] <AnonBlonde> i want to know when where the x.org will be put for warthy-
[06:05] <mamo_> hello everybody
[06:05] <mamo_> one question:
[06:05] <alge> everything is eigther an (hd) or and (fd)
[06:05] <alge> as far as I know
[06:05] <mamo_> what are the differences between ubuntu and debian?
[06:05] <eim> AnonBlonde: AFAIK x.org is not yet available for Warty.
[06:05] <AnonBlonde> i've been updating apt-get everyday, just to see if they've replaced it
[06:05] <alge> mamo Ubuntu is a fork
[06:05] <AnonBlonde> eim: arent they replacing it
[06:06] <AnonBlonde> eim: so they can put it to repositories for the ones who want to try
[06:06] <Hitch-Hiker> AnonBlonde: it's in the new hoary release
[06:06] <AnonBlonde> or is there a way to try?
[06:06] <mamo_> do they use quite all the deb that are used in debian
[06:06] <mamo_> ?
[06:06] <gen_> yea anonblonde, if you want to "try" stuff, go hoary
[06:06] <topyli> mamo_: support, regular releases, gnome-love, randy artwork
[06:06] <alge> not bound to the same - they use there own repositories so the packeage you install can be different from the Debian one
[06:06] <mamo_> if I use ubuntu, can I use without problem all the deb package?
[06:07] <eim> AnonBlonde: Would be nice. But I think it's not yet available for Warty.
[06:07] <Hitch-Hiker> randy artwork ?  where?   :)
[06:07] <alge> they said the will releae bug - free every 6 months
[06:07] <unikum> how do i change from utf8 to iso-8859-1?
[06:07] <alge> not 2-3 years...maybee
[06:07] <topyli> mamo_: i wouldn't install glibc from debian. but some packages behave nicely. most of it is in ubuntu universe though
[06:07] <AnonBlonde> eim: actually xfree is the only thing that bugs me :) so i thought maybe, in a month or like, while they're updating packages they may also put the x.org binaries too
[06:08] <melanie> eim: i got rid of it. but it seems that apache 2.0 does not run right now. what do i have to do?
[06:08] <Hitch-Hiker> Don't think warty will get any new updates now except for security fixes
[06:08] <kristjan> anybody experienced in wireless access point configuration (WEP keys...)
[06:08] <eim> melanie: Try to remove and reinstall apache 2.0 -- This should add the init.d files correctly.
[06:08] <Hitch-Hiker> kristjan: I've experienced the pain  ;)
[06:08] <topyli> Hitch-Hiker: heh. ubuntu-calendar, ubuntu circle gdm theme etc. it doesn't qualify as wery randy here in europe though =)
[06:08] <kristjan> Hitch-Hiker: don't scare me ;)
[06:09] <eim> AnonBlonde: What bugs you about XFree 4.3.0?
[06:09] <Hitch-Hiker> :)
[06:09] <alge> shoot kristjan?
[06:09] <melanie> eim: do i have to restart my machine after that?
[06:09] <kristjan> just a sec
[06:09] <AnonBlonde> eim: the fonts! i put new fonts but they don't look like they do with x.org or xfree before 4.3 - they look very very ugly
[06:09] <Hitch-Hiker> don't remember seeing those themes
[06:09] <eim> melanie: No, don't think so.
[06:10] <eim> AnonBlonde: Which fonts?
[06:10] <AnonBlonde> eim: and i'm fed up with this Sans, it's the only one that looks OK. nothing else
[06:10] <AnonBlonde> eim: TTF
[06:10] <melanie> eim: and do you also know how to install mod-mono on this apache version?
[06:10] <kristjan> idirect q: if I set the 4 keys for wep, do i have to set all four the same in the client station?
[06:10] <eim> AnonBlonde: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:10] <topyli> Hitch-Hiker: you have to install them gdm-themes, ubuntu-calendar iirc
[06:10] <Hitch-Hiker> ok, ta.
[06:10] <Hitch-Hiker> thought I had
[06:10] <eim> melanie: No, idea sorry. Check mono on Debian's alioth (Search on Google about it).
[06:11] <Hitch-Hiker> but I'm not on my ubuntu box now so can't check
[06:11] <kristjan> Hitch-Hiker: alge: any suggestions?
[06:11] <eim> topyli: Is already drinking his daily beer.
[06:11] <alge> wel WEP only will use one of the four key formats, but they need to match across all devices
[06:11] <Hitch-Hiker> wep keys have to be the same on client and access point, I'm think
[06:11] <kristjan> the default key?
[06:11] <melanie> eim: ok, thanks. i searched about 3 hours now. but didn't got it to work
[06:12] <amathis> how do you install .deb's that are not in apt-get sources?
[06:12] <alge> what are you using ASCII, or HEX
[06:12] <kristjan> or all of them?
[06:12] <Juerd> amathis: dpkg -i file.deb
[06:12] <alge> pick One
[06:12] <eim> melanie: Try to write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- Maybe someone can help.
[06:12] <kristjan> i would probably use ascii since it's easier reentering....
[06:12] <Hitch-Hiker> if it connects wirelessly then it has to have the same wep key
[06:12] <eim> melanie: What are you going to do with mod_mono?
[06:12] <kristjan> anyhow, have both options.
[06:12] <alge> really it doesn't matter unless U have some wanky device that only supports x...
[06:13] <melanie> eim: i'm very new to ubuntu. how should the e-mail format looks like when i write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i try to get asp.net projects work on apache.
[06:13] <kristjan> so if i set the default key to x and others to z, i can have the client with key (only one shows in network settings) x and will connect?
[06:14] <AnonBlonde> any http iso mirror for hoary? by the way, eim, downloading fonts, but i think the problem is with the Xfree because i've manually added some of these to .fonts and the result is no better .. :)
[06:14] <kristjan> in order not to flood 2much if anybody could explain the WEP and wifi business, please private chat me.
[06:15] <alge> sure
[06:15] <eim> melanie: It's a mailing list so just try to be clean while describing your problems and asking for help.
[06:15] <pisuke> anyone knows about freenet packages for ubuntu?
[06:15] <eim> melanie: Any successes (On other distros) with Apache and asp.net projects?
[06:15] <melanie> eim: ok. do you know how to save this chat conversation to a file?
[06:16] <melanie> eim: no. i only tried it on ubuntu
[06:16] <eim> melanie: Depends on your IRC client.
[06:16] <melanie> eim: x-chat
[06:16] <eim> melanie: Do you need this kind of stuff for business?
[06:16] <eim> melanie: No idea with x-chat sorry. irssi over here.
[06:16] <SirG3> Anyone know how I'd put yaboot back my iMac? I was installing OS 9 to test Mac on Linux and it overwrote it ><
[06:16] <melanie> eim: no. just wondering if such projects work on linux
[06:16] <Juerd> Ubuntu installes a LOT of python stuff
[06:16] <Juerd> What is this used for?
[06:17] <eim> SirG3: Install to the MBR with ybin -v -v
[06:17] <Juerd> And could anything be done about the installation? The python packages together take as long as the non-python packages.
[06:17] <skar> hi, got to visit some site, which accepts only IE, how do i change firefox to say its IE?
[06:17] <eim> melanie: I understand.  That I wouldn't have guessed. I thought it aimed at end users.
[06:18] <Agrajag> skar: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/useragentswitcher
[06:18] <Juerd> Not developers
[06:18] <Agrajag> skar: out of curiosity, what site is it?
[06:18] <eim> baluba: Good to know. I'm aproaching to Python.  I've started a project on SF.net called pySend. Have to write to code for it anyway.
[06:19] <Agrajag> LEt them know that not everyone has/can use IE
[06:19] <melanie> m00se: oh it looks like there is no formatting in
[06:19] <skar> Agrajag: yup, your rite on target
[06:19] <baluba> Juerd, developers like to be treated as end-users wherever is possible :)
[06:19] <skar> Agrajag:they seem to think IE/Windoze are the only software combo
[06:19] <eruin> My bank tells users to get firefox
[06:19] <eruin> ;)
[06:20] <mikedo> hello, can someone help me to have sound when I use skype
[06:20] <m00se> melanie, yes, it's plain text only
[06:20] <skar> Agrajag:so much for stupidity
[06:20] <BKNEC\> hi all. Can someone help me with a question please?
[06:20] <eim> mikedo: What is skype? I can't find it on Warty.
[06:20] <eruin> skype.com
[06:20] <SirG3> eim: how would I go about that? I'm booted into Ubuntu (kinda?) through the CD because I can't boot into Linux because it boots into OS X because yaboot got overridden
[06:21] <eim> eruin: I have just the CLI here at the moment. No GUI browser, sorry.
[06:21] <mikedo> helps you to talk to people around
[06:21] <m00se> eim, skype is closed source VoIP app
[06:21] <mikedo> talk free through net
[06:21] <eim> m00se: Based upon SIP?
[06:21] <m00se> eim, dunno
[06:21] <eim> mikedo: Nice, I've used netmeeting or openh323 since now.
[06:22] <eruin> I wonder which kde theme they're using on their screenshot
[06:22] <eruin> I've never seen a kde window look nice before
[06:22] <eim> mikedo: They're based upon the H323 proto. Not SIP.
[06:22] <baluba> eim, i don't think skype is SIP, gaimphone is it
[06:22] <eim> baluba: You're right, yes.
[06:22] <mikedo> what is H323?
[06:22] <eim> baluba: I once installed gaimphone, seems really nice.
[06:23] <eim> baluba: Do you develop in Python?
[06:23] <mikedo> seems that I can here others but they cannot
[06:23] <baluba> phonegaim sorry
[06:23] <baluba> eim, no
[06:24] <pl0vs> mikedo,
[06:24] <mikedo> hy
[06:25] <eruin> eim, you could install links if you're gonna be all in that non-gui mood :P
[06:25] <mikedo> pl0vs, privet
[06:26] <eim> eruin: Here is also w3m for this.
[06:26] <eim> eruin: I prefere Mozilla-Browser.
[06:26] <eruin> seriously?
[06:27] <eruin> I think my system is asphyxiated whenever I fire up mozillabrowser :P
[06:27] <mikedo> does anybody know a programm to record sounds with microphone
[06:27] <eim> eruin: Works fine here (iBook and x86 workstation).
[06:27] <gen> ahh azureus is using 400mb of ram after being up a few days, nice memory leak
[06:28] <onestep> Hello again!... I created a folder /mnt/hde1 to allow me to mount my windows partition. How do I now add hde1 as an icon to the 'Computer Place' window so that I can right click it and select 'mount volume' ?
[06:28] <gen> eim, you dual booting with osx?
[06:28] <Agrajag> onestep: add it to /etc/fstab
[06:29] <onestep> i did, rebooted, but it doesn't show up in the "computer place"
[06:29] <dropster> someone here have experience with wireless on ubuntu ??
[06:29] <eim> gen: Yes.
[06:29] <gen> eim, which do you prefer ;)
[06:29] <Agrajag> onestep: what does running "sudo mount /mnt/hde1" tell you?
[06:29] <eruin> onestep: something like this in fstab: /dev/hda5       /media/win1     vfat    users,umask=000                 0        0
[06:29] <SirG3> eim: how would I go about that ((12:17:08) eim: SirG3: Install to the MBR with ybin -v -v)? I'm booted into a shell through the CD because I can't boot into Linux because it boots into OS X because yaboot got overridden :-(
[06:29] <gen> i must admit i like osx a lot
[06:30] <eruin> onestep, the users and umask stuff is what you need ;)
[06:30] <eim> gen: Auto-Answered question IMHO ;) Ubuntu (aka Debian) of course.
[06:30] <Agrajag> except not, because it's ntfs, not vfat, and the mask should be 0222, not 000
[06:30] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: if you hold the option button during boot you get a boot menu
[06:30] <eruin> why 0222 ?
[06:30] <eim> SirG3: You need to use the Ubuntu PPC CD to rescue boot to your linux partition.
[06:30] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: you can choose for your linux partition there too
[06:30] <Agrajag> readonly
[06:30] <gen> eim, i heard of issues with airport extreme, did you get it working?
[06:30] <eruin> and why readonly?
[06:30] <Agrajag> not that it matters since you should be mounting it ro anyway
[06:30] <eruin> ntfs write support is mature enough
[06:30] <Agrajag> eruin: uh
[06:30] <Agrajag> no it's not
[06:31] <eim> SirG3: Once turned on your Mac hold 'C' for CD-ROM boot.
[06:31] <Agrajag> you can't create new files
[06:31] <Hitch-Hiker> onesteps windows partion is fat32 not ntfs
[06:31] <Agrajag> you can't delete files
[06:31] <eim> gen: I own an iBook G3 with a 'normal' airport card which works fine.
[06:31] <gen> eim, ahh k
[06:31] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: it's far easier to use the of boot menu to boot into linux
[06:31] <Agrajag> you can only edit files that already exist, and you cannot change their size?
[06:31] <Agrajag> You call that mature?
[06:31] <SirG3> eim: I am booted off of the Ubuntu CD...... and sjoerd: it doesn't show up :-/ just the button to boot off of OS X.......
[06:31] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) gen: normal airport works, airport extreme doesn't
[06:31] <eruin> Agrajag, um, I did that on my fedora box until I removed all win partitions
[06:31] <gen> i see
[06:32] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: you need to wait for some time.. at least i did last time that worked
[06:32] <onestep> i entered it as : /dev/hde1       /mtn/hde1       fat32   defaults        0       0
[06:32] <eruin> vfat, not fat32
[06:32] <Agrajag>  /mtn/?
[06:32] <Hitch-Hiker> fat32 should be vfat
[06:32] <gen> think ae will work in time?
[06:32] <SirG3> sjoerd: no wait cursor...... and I don't hear any HDD activity....... how long should I wait?
[06:32] <Agrajag> onestep: does it actually say /mtn/hde1?
[06:32] <Agrajag> fix that
[06:32] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: strange.. i guess you should go with eim's suggestion then
[06:32] <onestep> oh-k, i'll change fat32 to vfat
[06:32] <FartClone> funny that ubuntu doesn't configure GRUB to multiboot during install
[06:32] <Agrajag> and why does it say fat32?
[06:32] <Agrajag> onestep: no
[06:32] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: you get the harddisk icon wit an X next to it right
[06:33] <Agrajag> vfat is for FAT
[06:33] <Agrajag> you want ntfs
[06:33] <SirG3> sjoerd: yep
[06:33] <Hitch-Hiker> but its not ntfs
[06:33] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) gen: depends on broadcom, for now don't hold your breath :)
[06:33] <Agrajag> oh
[06:33] <RubenV> broadcom
[06:33] <Agrajag> I thought he said it was, my mistake
[06:33] <RubenV> *shivver*
[06:33] <Agrajag> yeah, vfat then
[06:33] <RubenV> i'm going to replace my broadcom by an IPW2200 i think
[06:33] <FartClone> and that after logging out and trying to log in the .ICEauthority file can't be read so you can't log in
[06:34] <mikedo> does anybody know a programm to record sounds with microphone?
[06:34] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: strange, maybe you need a newer of version for that to work... guess you should go for eim's solution then..
[06:34] <eruin> onestep, vfat instead of fat32, users,umask=000 instaed of default
[06:34] <onestep> my hde1 is windows using fat32... do i change this to vfat?
[06:34] <eim> sjoerd: What Mac do you have?
[06:34] <eruin> if you want the drive to be useful that is
[06:34] <Hitch-Hiker> yes
[06:34] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: albook
[06:34] <Agrajag> onestep: yes, vfat is the filesystem you want
[06:34] <onestep> thank you Agrajag
[06:34] <eim> sjoerd: You mean iBook?
[06:34] <Agrajag> mikedo: gnome-sound-recorder
[06:34] <Agrajag> mikedo: or Audacity for more features
[06:34] <gen> eim, albook is the new gen powerbook
[06:35] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: no albook.. aluminium powerbook
[06:35] <eim> gen: Nice. MHz?
[06:35] <gen> meaning aluminum casing
[06:35] <eim> sjoerd: Got it.
[06:35] <oyaji> hi everyone
[06:35] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: titanium powerbook, is the tibook (for completeness)
[06:35] <mikedo> Agrajag, ok I'll try
[06:35] <SirG3> eim: so what should I do? :-/
[06:35] <eim> sjoerd: Price?
[06:35] <gen> eim, store.apple.com
[06:35] <gen> :)
[06:35] <eim> SirG3: Rescue boot your linux system and reinstall yaboot (MBR) via ybin.
[06:36] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: see the apple store :) i've got the previous generation (1.25ghz 15")
[06:36] <eim> sjoerd: How much have `you` paid?
[06:36] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: about 2500 euros
[06:36] <eim> sjoerd: ok
[06:38] <SirG3> eim: erm, excuse my ignorance, rescue boot?
[06:39] <eim> SirG3: Use the Ubuntu PPC install CD as boot resource to rescue your previous Linux installation. chroot to / and execute ybin.
[06:39] <SirG3> eim: ok, how would I mount the Ubuntu partition? I tried mount /dev/hda11 /mnt/ubuntu (after creating /mnt and /mnt/ubuntu)?
[06:40] <KobrAs> try to specify the type with -t
[06:40] <KobrAs> ex. mount -t ext3 /dev/hda11 /mnt/ubuntu
[06:41] <SirG3> KobrAs: sorry, should have said the error :-P, mount: Mounting /dev/hda11 on /mount/ubuntu failed: no such file or directory
[06:41] <eim> SirG3: Should work if /dev/hda11 is your root partition.
[06:42] <tyrano> is there no ubuntu manual
[06:42] <SirG3> eim: it is, but  ls /dev/ doesn't show any hda.......
[06:42] <chris_> Hi, I updated  the latest updates in hoary and now xorg fails to load. Says it can't read the .ICEauthority file, yet it's in my home dir.
[06:43] <KobrAs> SirG3: fdisk -l what shows?
[06:43] <eim> SirG3: That's strange. try dmes |grep hd and check if you've the kernel supports your hdd.
[06:44] <chris_> gdm starts up and I can put in my password and such, but then I get the error message and it logs me out
[06:45] <topyli> billytwowilly: delete the file
[06:45] <SirG3> KobrAs: fdisk -l errors in: /bin/sh: fdisk: not found
[06:45] <billytwowilly> topyli: it says I also might be out of disk space. How do I check that from the command line?
[06:45] <topyli> billytwowilly: df -h
[06:45] <SirG3> eim | KobrAs: I booted off the CD, hit esc and got into a shell, that the proper way eh?
[06:46] <billytwowilly> topyli: lots of space. if I delete the file that won't mess up any configs or anything right?
[06:46] <mikedo> anybody knows how to work with audacity? I cannot record any sound, I get this message: PortAudio: read interrupted!
[06:46] <topyli> billytwowilly: no, it's just a lock file that's somehow left there and has wrong permissions
[06:47] <KobrAs> SirG3: well if you removed the cd in installing process or in booting process it is a common thing to put you into a shell
[06:47] <billytwowilly> mikedo: I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but esd (gnome sound system) is usually using the sound card. Maybe you have to tell audacity to use esd?
[06:47] <mikedo> I have PCI soundbalaster 16
[06:47] <SirG3> KobrAs: I didn't remove the cd :-/.,......
[06:47] <billytwowilly> topyli: hurray! it appears to have wored. Thank you
[06:47] <mikedo> billytwowilly, how do I tell that?
[06:48] <eim> SirG3: Yes.
[06:48] <billytwowilly> mikedo: I don't know. I don't even know if that is the problem. I just know I had a problem with mplayer and it was solved by telling it to use esd with the -vo esd switch.
[06:48] <topyli> billytwowilly: good. i don't know why it sometimes happens but if you just switched X servers i'm not surprised
[06:48] <billytwowilly> mikedo: err. -ao esd
[06:48] <kristjan> where does the network settings app (gnome/ubuntu) log messages about possible errors?
[06:49] <billytwowilly> topyli: I switched a long time ago. I updated last night though.. I dunno, I'm just happy it works now;)
[06:49] <mikedo> billytwowilly, thanks I ll try
[06:49] <billytwowilly> mikedo: I hope that helps you. Sorry for wasting your time if that isn't it;)
[06:49] <topyli> billytwowilly: it has happened to me even after X bugfix upgrades in warty (and debian)
[06:50] <Hikaru79> For many of the "books" offered in the Ubuntu Repository such as "Grokking the GIMP", once you install the package, where do you go actually FIND the file?
[06:50] <Hikaru79> I tried 'locate', 'whereis' and 'which' for 'grokking-the-gimp' and nothing was returned
[06:50] <billytwowilly> topyli, That could be it. I can't remember what I updated last night. Again, thanks so much for helping me out.
[06:50] <topyli> no problem at all
[06:52] <Vince-0_Linux> Can I get into my NTFS partition from Ubuntu ?
[06:52] <SirG3> eim: *sigh* I have no clue why I can't mount that partition!
[06:53] <Matt|> what was the way to check if dma is enabled or not again?
[06:53] <usual> hdparm -d
[06:53] <Vince-0_Linux> How do i get into my NTFS partition ?
[06:53] <usual> see wiki
[06:54] <Matt|> thanks usual
[06:54] <Vince-0_Linux> thnkz
[06:54] <Matt|> usual, how do I get it set up to always be enabled?
[06:55] <s0cks> EWWWW!!!
[06:56] <billytwowilly> anyone know what .rev files are?
[06:56] <tyrano> how do i install rpms or deb packages if rpm doesnt let me :|
[06:56] <zenwhen> :?
[06:56] <Matt|> tyrano, you can install deb packages with dpkg -i
[06:56] <tyrano> and rpms?
[06:56] <Matt|> tyrano, don't bother with rpms
[06:57] <tyrano> :|
[06:57] <tyrano> but latest version of nmap is rpm
[06:57] <tyrano> not deb
[06:57] <Matt|> tyrano, i'm sure you can find a deb
[06:57] <zenwhen> rpm's are poison
[06:57] <zenwhen> would you drink poison
[06:57] <Matt|> tyrano, or make it from source
[06:57] <mameluke> lol
[06:57] <gen> i'd drink poison
[06:57] <zenwhen> oh you
[06:57] <Matt|> how do I get DMA set up to always be enabled for my hdc drive?
[06:57] <zenwhen> stop bucking the system or you're in for a spanking
[06:57] <zenwhen> O:
[06:58] <gen> uh oh
[06:58] <tyrano> so is there a manual
[06:58] <tyrano> besides a friggin wiki :/
[06:58] <Vince-0_Linux> How do I get into my NTFS partition ?
[06:58] <Matt|> tyrano, what for?
[06:58] <Matt|> Vince-0, you have to mount it
[06:58] <tyrano> for ubuntu
[06:59] <Matt|> tyrano, what part of ubuntu?
[06:59] <tyrano> all of it
[06:59] <Matt|> tyrano, http://ubuntulinux.org
[06:59] <tyrano> or should i just look at the debian
[06:59] <Tomcat_> Anybody got experience with Intel Centrino power save stuff? Standby/Suspend? Seems not to work on my laptop...
[06:59] <tyrano> manual
[06:59] <zenwhen> Linux changes too quickly for there to be a "manual".
[06:59] <tyrano> gentoo has a manual
[06:59] <zenwhen> Forums and Wikis are the way to learn.
[06:59] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt : I tried
[07:00] <tyrano> thats the biggest load of bull ive ever heard :|
[07:00] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: wots the syntax ?
[07:00] <Matt|> Vince-0, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda# /mnt_point
[07:00] <Matt|> tyrano, you are a weirdo
[07:00] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: mount -t /dev/hda1 /mnt/stuff
[07:00] <Matt|> Vince-0, -t ntfs
[07:00] <zenwhen> Im trying to be nice
[07:00] <Vince-0_Linux> tried ntfs
[07:00] <tyrano> ;[
[07:00] <zenwhen> so Im just not going to respond to him anymore
[07:01] <zenwhen> :P
[07:01] <tyrano> im going back to gentoo
[07:01] <tyrano> good bye
[07:01] <Matt|> bye
[07:01] <zenwhen> GOOD
[07:01] <zenwhen> Thank god.
[07:01] <zenwhen> If he needs a manual, we dont need him.
[07:01] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: wrong file system type, .....
[07:01] <Tomcat_> I wonder what he does when the manual doesn't answer a question. :o
[07:01] <Matt|> Vince-0, how sure are you of the number of the partition?
[07:01] <zenwhen> Even Windows users can use Ubuntu without a manual.
[07:01] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: sure
[07:02] <zenwhen> I guess that shows you how smart the average gentoo user is.
[07:02] <zenwhen> :P
[07:02] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: lemme try another ...
[07:02] <Matt|> zenwhen, oy
[07:02] <Matt|> zenwhen, don't diss gentoo.
[07:02] <RubenV> zenwhen: keep up that attitude and leave yoursel
[07:02] <RubenV> f
[07:02] <Matt|> ubuntu has plenty of help available
[07:02] <zenwhen> Oh
[07:02] <zenwhen> I just get tired of the attitude from Gentoo users.
[07:03] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: Can I login as Root into GNOME ?
[07:03] <RubenV> if you're gonna be intolerant then do it face to face with someone
[07:03] <Matt|> Vince-0, no that would be like slicing off your own head
[07:03] <RubenV> but F/OSS is about free choice
[07:03] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: cos it wants permissions to view /mnt
[07:03] <Matt|> Vince-0, why do you ask?
[07:03] <zenwhen> Sure there are smart ones, but for the most part they are very annoying.  I apologized.
[07:03] <Matt|> Vince-0, if you want root permissions, type "sudo -s" in the terminal
[07:04] <Vince-0_Linux> yar - but thats still not login as root
[07:04] <Matt|> Vince-0, that is all you will ever need
[07:04] <Vince-0_Linux> k
[07:04] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt : so how do i use the file broweser as root ?
[07:05] <RubenV> Vince-0_Linux: login as root is highly discouraged
[07:05] <RubenV> Vince-0_Linux: don't
[07:05] <Matt|> Vince-0, you don't: that is also bad idea
[07:05] <Vince-0_Linux> kk
[07:05] <RubenV> you should minimize the tasks you do as root
[07:05] <Matt|> who knows how to set DMA for my cd drive?
[07:05] <Vince-0_Linux> well how do i get files in my mounted NTFS
[07:06] <Matt|> Vince-0, you don't do that either :p
[07:06] <RubenV> Matt|: basically it's just tweaking hdparm settings
[07:06] <gen> what is the best supported motherboard chipset for linux? i've heard of issues with nforce...getting a new motherboard soon and would like some input. current one is via and works very good, any ideas?
[07:06] <zenwhen> Matt| & RubenV, I once again apologize for "dissing gentoo".
[07:06] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: i am trying to get mp3z off my hda mount
[07:06] <Matt|> Vince-0, linux does not support ntfs fully
[07:06] <zenwhen> Didnt mean to come off as rude.
[07:06] <Matt|> Vince-0, you can copy FROM an ntfs drive, but not TO it
[07:06] <Matt|> zenwhen, np
[07:06] <Vince-0_Linux> kk
[07:06] <RubenV> zenwhen: already forgotten
[07:06] <Matt|> zenwhen, he was just a dick, nothing to do with what os he uses
[07:07] <RubenV> besides, i'm an ex-gentoo user, i turned out quite normal ;)
[07:07] <Matt|> well i wouldn't say that...
[07:07] <RubenV> :D
[07:07] <zenwhen> When Hoary comes out, will the disk be able to be used for a clean upgrade?
[07:07] <Matt|> zenwhen, yes
[07:08] <zenwhen> I mean the official releqase.
[07:08] <zenwhen> Good
[07:08] <Matt|> RubenV, hdparm, yes but how do I use it?
[07:08] <zenwhen> I am on dialup and doing a dist upgrade is not an option.
[07:08] <zenwhen> So Im looking forward to the official rlease.
[07:08] <zenwhen> Ive been using a debian package here and there to get by.
[07:09] <RubenV> Matt|: /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:09] <Matt|> RubenV, ah thanks
[07:09] <Matt|> RubenV, how about just to set it now
[07:09] <DimSum> lol @ dialup
[07:09] <RubenV> hdparm -d i think
[07:09] <RubenV> haven't tweaked those since i was on gentoo
[07:09] <auk> join #ipodlinux
[07:09] <RubenV> better check the man page
[07:09] <Matt|> *laughs*
[07:09] <Matt|> auk, don't advertise *sternlook*
[07:10] <Matt|> RubenV, yeah i got that far to, but dunno how to set it
[07:10] <RubenV> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[07:10] <RubenV> something like that
[07:10] <Matt|> ok
[07:10] <Matt|> yeah that's it
[07:10] <Matt|> cheers
[07:11] <ceu> I've recompiled the stock kernel. I've only added some features (nothing removed), but I receive this message:  hald.c:301: Your kernel does not support capabilities; Some features will not be available.
[07:11] <Matt|> ceu, you recompiled a clean kernel or patched one?
[07:12] <onestep> Back again... I now have access to my windows partion hde1 by adding it to etc/fstab BUT while i can now access hde1 I can't open any of it's folders of files. I tried to change ownership of /mnt/hde1 with chown but i get: chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/hde1/': Operation not permitted
[07:12] <ceu> Matt|: kernel source <IP_ADDRESS> provided by ubuntu package
[07:12] <Matt|> onestep, ok this is seriously dangerous stuff you are doing
[07:12] <ceu> Matt|: without any change
[07:13] <Matt|> onestep, linux does not fully support ntfs partitions, and changing them might totally fk it up
[07:13] <Matt|> ceu, no idea then sorry :(
[07:13] <Matt|> ceu, what wasn't working in the old kernel btw?
[07:13] <onestep> alll i want is access to my windows partition in my hardrive install of ubuntu. it worked fine on the live cd
[07:13] <Matt|> onestep, ok but don't change ownership of the files or delete em or move em
[07:13] <Matt|> onestep, gimme the line in your fstab
[07:14] <onestep> my windows files are fat32
[07:14] <Matt|> oh right
[07:14] <Matt|> jolly good
[07:14] <onestep> o.k. Matt... one second i'm a slow noooooob
[07:14] <Matt|> np
[07:15] <RubenV> hacking along upstream
[07:15] <RubenV> or helping with the packaging
[07:15] <ceu> Matt|: I've selected PII as processor, and compiled NTFS write support. (I know, is dangerous, but I'm low in space. I will create a loopback file in the NTFS partitions, writing to a file without changing its size is ok AFAIK)
[07:15] <Matt|> upstream
[07:15] <onestep> here it is;    /dev/hde1       /mnt/hde1       vfat   defaults        0       0
[07:15] <Matt|> ceu, erm ok bizarre
[07:15] <Matt|> onestep, ok:
[07:16] <Matt|> onestep, i'm not 100% about the exact wording of this, but instead of "defaults" you need at least "user"
[07:16] <ceu> Matt|: I've also added CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y that isn't compiled in stock kernel
[07:16] <Matt|> onestep, or alternatively just use root when playing with it
[07:16] <Hitch-Hiker> I think defaults includes user
[07:16] <RubenV> Matt|: ok, I'll start looking around for some upstream work :)
[07:16] <Hitch-Hiker> whats missing is umask=000
[07:17] <onestep> Hitch-Hiker... was that ment for me?
[07:17] <RubenV> Hitch-Hiker: nope, not really
[07:17] <Hitch-Hiker> yep
[07:17] <RubenV> user is not in defaults afaik
[07:17] <onestep> i'll try 000  thanks
[07:17] <RubenV> Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec,  auto,  nouser,
[07:17] <RubenV>                      and async.
[07:17] <RubenV> it's the opposite :)
[07:17] <Hitch-Hiker> Rubenv: okie dokie
[07:17] <Hitch-Hiker> thought it was
[07:18] <Hitch-Hiker> ah nouser
[07:18] <Hitch-Hiker> knew it was one of them - lol
[07:18] <RubenV> :D
[07:18] <RubenV> and after that, on to university
[07:20] <onestep> looking at my fstab I dont see where "umask=000" should be
[07:20] <Hitch-Hiker> defaults,umask=000  0 0
[07:21] <yann_> hi
[07:21] <Hitch-Hiker> i think you shouldn't use default as well
[07:21] <onestep> change 'defaults' to "unmask=000" ?
[07:21] <Hitch-Hiker> no
[07:21] <Hitch-Hiker> but you might as well change defaults to user
[07:22] <yann_> got a problem with my liteon combo, i can not read any cdrom... while mounting the cdrom, i got this message: mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy
[07:22] <yann_> but the cdrom does not appear as mounted :/
[07:22] <onestep> here is the line from fstab:  /dev/hde1       /mnt/hde1       vfat   defaults        0       0    what should be changed to what ?... lol
[07:22] <Hitch-Hiker> ok
[07:24] <yann_> root@yannpc:/media # mount /dev/hdc
[07:24] <yann_> mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy
[07:24] <yann_> root@yannpc:/media # umount /dev/hdc
[07:24] <yann_> umount: /dev/hdc: not mounted
[07:24] <yann_> :/
[07:25] <yann_> well, if anyone has an idea... :)
[07:25] <Hitch-Hiker> Ok, why isn't my message appearing
[07:25] <Hitch-Hiker> Ok, why isn't my message appearing
[07:26] <Hitch-Hiker>  - /dev/hde1   /mnt/hde1   vfat   users,umask=000   0  0
[07:26] <Hitch-Hiker> thats better
[07:27] <onestep> change "defaults" to "users,umask=000" ?
[07:27] <Hitch-Hiker> yes
[07:27] <onestep> is it umask ?
[07:27] <yann_> onestep > what's your problem?
[07:27] <Hitch-Hiker> yes
[07:27] <onestep> i'll try it
[07:28] <onestep> i'm trying to access folders and files on my windows partition
[07:28] <yann_> in fat?
[07:28] <onestep> yes
[07:28] <yann_> /dev/hdc6       /mnt/rack       vfat    umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850 0 0
[07:28] <yann_> here is my windows partition in my fstab
[07:29] <yann_> try it :)
[07:29] <Hitch-Hiker> onestep: you probably won't need the codepage or iocharset stuff
[07:30] <yann_> Hitch-Hiker > it didn't work without them for me.. :)
[07:30] <onestep> i'll just try umask=000
[07:30] <Hitch-Hiker> every box is different :)
[07:30] <yann_> ;)
[07:30] <hjkl> umask=022 worked for me with fat
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> can't remember what I've used now
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> not on my ubuntu box
[07:31] <onestep> o.k., i made the change. now to reboot and see what happens. thanks again
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> no
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> just umount it
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> then mount it again
[07:32] <onestep> oh-k, i'll try that
[07:32] <Hitch-Hiker> should work fine
[07:32] <Hitch-Hiker> your drive should pop up on your desktop as an icon
[07:33] <Hitch-Hiker> okay . . .
[07:34] <auk> if you unmount something, and it tells you the device is busy, what do you do?
[07:34] <Hitch-Hiker> cry
[07:34] <Pluk> possibly fam has kicked in
[07:34] <Hitch-Hiker> think you can force it
[07:34] <Pluk> file alteration monitor, it happens to me often
[07:35] <Pluk> sudo /etc/init.d/fam restart might help
[07:35] <Hitch-Hiker> there's an option in the umount command
[07:35] <auk> whats the syntax for killing a module?
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> kill -9 <PID>
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> or kill <PID>
[07:36] <auk> so....      kill -9 sbp2
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> no
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> PID = process id number
[07:36] <gen> you can get the pid, from typing "top"
[07:36] <pinkee> dont start with kill -9
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> ps -ef|grep sbp2
[07:36] <yann_> what's the difference between kill & pkill?
[07:37] <Hitch-Hiker> then kill number
[07:38] <micsch> how can i stop services?
[07:38] <Pluk> sudo /etc/init.d/service stop
[07:39] <micsch> Pluk, but the serice will start at next boot
[07:39] <Pluk> ah ok you want to remove th startup
[07:39] <Pluk> update-rc.d -f service remove
[07:39] <micsch> yes
[07:39] <micsch> thx
[07:40] <Pluk> np
[07:42] <eruin> ubuntu needs a gui for services/runlevels
[07:43] <malte`> 1
[07:43] <auk> well, i cant find it what would it be labeled as?
[07:44] <Keybuk> eruin: I tend to agree we need some kind of UI to select running software
[07:44] <eruin> Keybuk, could take a look at fedoras approach
[07:45] <Keybuk> but that needs to be totally abstract, the same UI should let you start and stop things like esd and the GNOME typing monitor, personal web server, etc. than system-level "services"
[07:45] <oyaji> has anyone config'd ubuntu on a laptop with a docking station?
[07:45] <Keybuk> certainly we don't need to expose runlevels anywhere near the user
[07:45] <oyaji> I am having some issues
[07:45] <oyaji> :(
[07:45] <Keybuk> eruin: screenshot?
[07:45] <eruin> hm, I could reboot and take one
[07:45] <Keybuk> eruin: what's the app called?  I'll Google for it
[07:46] <TenPlus1> hi folks
[07:46] <JDahl> eruin, I am probably wrong, but dosnt Gnome have an app like that?
[07:46] <farruinn> Does anyone know if the flashplayer from macromedia's website is platform independent?
[07:46] <Keybuk> http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/config-tools/images/redhat-config-services.png
[07:46] <Keybuk> ^ that?
[07:46] <onestep> You guys are great, I now have a "hde1" icon on my desktop allowing full access to my windows partition!!
[07:46] <Keybuk> that's way over-the-top
[07:47] <Pluk> congrats!
[07:47] <eruin> Keybuk, yes, doesn't look exactly like that anymore but yeah tahts the one
[07:47] <eruin> it's more cluttered now ;)
[07:47] <Keybuk> seriously, there's no need for that in a UI
[07:47] <Keybuk> if you know enough to use that dialog, you know enough to change the symlinks on the filesystem
[07:47] <ogra> hi all
[07:47] <TenPlus1> http /
[07:47] <TenPlus1> hi ogra
[07:47] <ogra> :)
[07:48] <fga> hi
[07:48] <eruin> Keybuk, no, in ubuntus spirit it should be more userfriendly ofcourse, and since we're focusing in rl5 in ubuntu, lots is not needed
[07:48] (magnon/#ubuntu) yum, I'll be on hoary in a little while now
[07:48] <Keybuk> I'd probably integrate it with a security dialog actually as well
[07:48] <Keybuk> so you'd get a pretty list of running software, and could specify whether it should run or not and customise access control to it (through tcpwrapper/iptables)
[07:48] <TenPlus1> Is their any spyware or virus tools available that work on Ubuntu ??
[07:49] <ogra> TenPlus1: nope
[07:49] <Keybuk> link it to the "Add and Remove Programs" dialog too
[07:49] <eruin> Keybuk, yeah, that sounds nice ;)
[07:49] <TenPlus1> shame...
[07:49] (magnon/#ubuntu) TenPlus1: I doubt that there's any software specifically packaged for Ubuntu, but any debian or really generic linux programs should work
[07:49] <Keybuk> eruin: I have a vague idea anyway, I'll mock up a UI in Mataro for it
[07:49] <TenPlus1> kewl, so that means Yahoo Messenger (debian) should work fine :)
[07:49] (magnon/#ubuntu) Yahoo MessengeR?
[07:50] (magnon/#ubuntu) why don't you use gaim?
[07:50] <eruin> Keybuk, will you let me have a look once you've got something? ;)
[07:50] <TenPlus1> cause I don't like AOL...
[07:50] <ogra> TenPlus1: if you have no ability ti run viruses or spyware there is no need for such tools :)
[07:50] <gaetano__> hello, how to restore the directory /etc/acpi ? i've tried to reinstall acpi-support but nothing, it does not reinstall the old configuration files
[07:50] <Keybuk> eruin: sure.
[07:50] <gen> tenplus1, what are you talking about haha
[07:50] <oyaji> i just installed ubuntu on a dell c610....it went well and works fine when the laptop is undocked
[07:50] (magnon/#ubuntu) gaim has yahoo support, TenPlus1
[07:50] <eruin> TenPlus1, why not just use gaim?
[07:50] <gen> gaim has nothing to do with aol
[07:50] (magnon/#ubuntu) it it has nothing to do with aol
[07:50] <oyaji> when it is docked I can't start x
[07:50] (magnon/#ubuntu) er, right :P
[07:50] <TenPlus1> it doess ? didnt know
[07:50] <TenPlus1> oh... thought gaim = gnu aol instant messenger.... doh!!!
[07:50] <gen> gaim supports aim/icq/msn/yahoo etc
[07:51] <Pluk> TenPlus1, http://www.f-prot.com/products/corporate_users/unix/
[07:51] (magnon/#ubuntu) TenPlus1: That is right, but it's not an AOL program nor does it only support AIM
[07:51] <oyaji> I don't know how to config it to change the x settings if the laptop is docked vs undocked
[07:51] <gaetano__> there is a simple way to restore the configuration of acpi without reinstall all the system ? :)
[07:51] <TenPlus1> I wanna try and get Ubuntu up and running with all the progs I had in Windows...
[07:51] <ogra> TenPlus1: you could srepad viruses to windows machines though
[07:51] <atariboy> that is the problem with 'specific' names :/
[07:51] <TenPlus1> but I'll use gaim instead of yahoo, sounds good
[07:51] (magnon/#ubuntu) and if you look at the tooltip at the launcher, it says "Multi-protocol Messaging Client"
[07:51] <ogra> spread
[07:51] <Pluk> but i doubt if you would really need a virusscanner
[07:51] <oyaji> can someone help me?
[07:51] <oyaji> please.
[07:51] (magnon/#ubuntu) TenPlus1: why use a lowly port instead of using a replacement?
[07:52] <TenPlus1> ogra: that's what I was htinking... better to be safe than all your windows buddy's being mad at you
[07:52] <ogra> Pluk: its nice behaviour
[07:52] <TenPlus1> all I gotta find now is a DVD Burning proggy...
[07:52] <ogra> TenPlus1: but you wold have to forward them actively :)
[07:52] (magnon/#ubuntu) cdrecord
[07:52] <Pluk> what you mean ogra ?
[07:52] <gen> did you just say proggy
[07:52] (magnon/#ubuntu) I don't know if the dvd patch is in ubuntu
[07:52] <amathis> samba gets its config from /etc/samba/smb.conf right?
[07:53] <TenPlus1> how about DVD Authoring ?
[07:53] <ogra> Pluk: its nice bahaviour to have a virus scanner...to not spread windows viruses :)
[07:53] <amathis> because I eddited the workgroup in that file, and restarted samba.. and it didn't change
[07:53] <ogra> behavior
[07:53] (magnon/#ubuntu) I don't have a DVD writer, so I wouldn't know
[07:53] <Pluk> ah :)
[07:53] (magnon/#ubuntu) but I know that there are tools out there
[07:53] <TenPlus1> unless I can use Wine / WineX to run Ulead MovieFactory 2
[07:54] <eruin> I'm too slow with screenshots
[07:54] <gen> eruin, what do you mean
[07:54] <ogra> eruin: you are not google though :)
[07:55] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/gaim.png - TenPlus1 - that's what gaim'd look like..
[07:56] <gen> gaim can look however you want, really.
[07:56] (magnon/#ubuntu) eruin: there are perfectly fine screenshots at the gaim site :p
[07:56] <eruin> curses
[07:56] <eruin> let's call it redundancy
[07:56] <eruin> ;P
[07:56] <TenPlus1> looks good... so it does chat rooms / cams / voice / file transfers too ?
[07:56] <oyaji> hi everyone
[07:56] (magnon/#ubuntu) TenPlus1: at least it does chat rooms and file transfers
[07:56] <TenPlus1> that'll do me fine :D thanks magnon
[07:56] <oyaji> I think I need some help configuring X on my laptop
[07:56] (magnon/#ubuntu) I'm not sure about cams, but GnomeMeeting might help you with that
[07:57] <oyaji> How do I config X for a laptop so it has a docked and an undocked profile?
[07:57] <TenPlus1> will have to install my 2nd HD so I can install Ubuntu tomorrow... can't wait to give it a go...
[07:57] <TenPlus1> hpoe it auto-detects my .net connection ok
[07:58] <ogra> topyli: nethack ?
[07:58] <topyli> yeah. didn't get far. again
[07:58] <Pluk> oyaji, maybe some usefull stuff from this page?http://www.mastincrosbie.com/mark/linux-ob6k/dock.html
[07:58] (magnon/#ubuntu) eruin: Det kan godt hende at jeg vet hvem denne Julian som skal ha konsert med NUK er ;)
[07:58] <oyaji> Pluk: Thanks.  I'll check it out.  :)
[07:59] <eruin> magnon, hah, as in lesund?
[07:59] <Pluk> good luck!
[07:59] <gen> english only
[07:59] (magnon/#ubuntu) eruin: as in I thought I might know of some Julian in NUK
[07:59] (magnon/#ubuntu) nothing more
[07:59] (magnon/#ubuntu) as in, heard the name
[08:00] <eruin> magnon, ah ;)
[08:00] <xenonite> look at this: http://zattevrienden.realroot.be/depanneren.htm
[08:02] <gen> haha thats nicr xenonite
[08:02] <gen> nice*
[08:02] <xenonite> ;)
[08:03] <xenonite> and then coming `big brother` helping...
[08:03] <gen> yeah that 2nd truck was huge, pulling them both out
[08:05] <topyli> xenonite: your car? :)
[08:05] <ogra> weird.....M$ patented the "is not, != " operator......
[08:05] <topyli> that's an expensive gig i bet
[08:05] <gen> gig?
[08:05] <topyli> uhh, job
[08:06] <xenonite> no ;) stupid
[08:06] <xenonite> but nice to look at ;)
[08:06] <topyli> some days just are a bit worse than others :)
[08:08] <xenonite> *g*
[08:09] <xenonite> ...collateral damage ;)
[08:12] <topyli> atanks (the Atomic Tanks game) is cool. reminds me of good old Worms.
[08:12] <TenPlus1> cya peepe
[08:13] <xenonite> how can i install new fonts? when i click on "fonts folder" i can't drag'n'drop a ttf file in
[08:17] <onestep> Well so far, so good. First day with Ubuntu HD install and with your help I can now access my windows partition & my USB stick!!
[08:18] <onestep> Now, how can I get my screen size to 1024x768? This size is not listed in the Screen Resolution window
[08:18] <topyli> xenonite: what is the "fonts folder"? $HOME/.fonts?
[08:19] <Matt|> onestep, if it is not listed, then that means that it is not supported by your xserver
[08:19] <FTTP> who here told me about groklaw?
[08:19] <onestep> Matt: it worked while using the Live CD
[08:20] <FTTP> turns out as i thought, the person who created groklaw was a blatent opensourcer
[08:20] <FTTP> i knew it :)
[08:20] <xenonite> topyli: whow thanks, the font installed there!
[08:20] <Matt|> onestep, you keep saying that ;p
[08:20] <FTTP> and they resigned
[08:20] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:20] <Matt|> groklaw rocks
[08:20] <xenonite> topyli: and works
[08:20] <onestep> lol
[08:20] <FTTP> matt:  We got her to resign
[08:20] <FTTP> i knew it was propaganda
[08:20] <FTTP> i spoke to boies
[08:20] <FTTP> :P
[08:20] <FTTP> connections
[08:21] <FTTP> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19794
[08:21] <topyli> xenonite: I wonder where the "fonts" directive got you at first...
[08:21] <FTTP> im not against opensource
[08:21] <FTTP> and it wasnt me
[08:21] <FTTP> but
[08:21] <onestep> If we can figure out screen resolution, I promise I won't ask for Sound help (not today at least!)
[08:21] <Matt|> onestep, why on earth does nothing work?
[08:21] <FTTP> its ironic that someone kept telling me groklaw, then the next day the person is found to be a blatent opensource supporteR :)
[08:21] <onestep> Because I'm a NOOB ?
[08:21] <FTTP> nice going
[08:21] <xenonite> topyli: to fonts:///
[08:22] <Matt|> onestep, an unlucky one
[08:22] <Matt|> onestep, my laptop was working fine straight away for the most part
[08:22] (mjr/#ubuntu) FTTP, next day? That's been rather obvious from the beginning. What are you, a troll?
[08:22] <xenonite> topyli: somewhere into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/
[08:22] <onestep> I wish i was so lucky
[08:23] <FTTP> mjr:  What is obvious?
[08:23] <topyli> xenonite: hmm. that's not good. if it takes you to /usr, it should use sudo
[08:23] <FTTP> mjr:  That groklaw was biased?
[08:23] <topyli> xenonite: i'd say you must file a bug
[08:23] <FTTP> mjr:  now it is
[08:23] <aaroncuk> hi, can some one help.. i have just installed ubuntu and its downloading hte updates, but its just stopped, dont think the system has frozen as the cursor is still blinking
[08:23] <xenonite> topyli: ok i look for it
[08:23] <aaroncuk> its stuck at 30%
[08:23] <onestep> I was using Feather, the mini live cd, installed to HD and "everything" worked straight out of the box
[08:24] <FTTP> mjr:  Im not in favor of commercial either dont get me wrong
[08:24] <FTTP> mjr:  its an interesting case tho
[08:25] <FTTP> mjr:  ITs a battle vs open source and proprietary
[08:25] (mjr/#ubuntu) FTTP, PJ may have her own opinions on things, but this does not a bias automatically make. Groklaw's greatest asset is that it reports the truth as is written in the court filings and PR games.
[08:25] <FTTP> mjr:  "THE TRUTH"  the truth is what you want it to be
[08:25] <FTTP> mjr:  Everyone is naturally biased
[08:25] <Matt|> offtopic guys
[08:25] <onestep> oh well, i'm gonna go install wine and see what happens... sound & scren resolution can wait!
[08:25] <FTTP> towards their own viewpoints
[08:26] <FTTP> matT:  I was gonna say #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:26] <gen> are there any front ends to lftp
[08:26] <FTTP> you beat me to it
[08:26] <FTTP> #ubuntu-offtopic to continue
[08:26] (mjr/#ubuntu) ah well, yes, let's stop
[08:26] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:26] <ogra> :)
[08:26] (mjr/#ubuntu) nah, can't be bothered to feed a troll anymore now
[08:26] <hitchhiker> I've upgraded to hoary, the only update left is "x-window-system-core" - is this the XF86 to X.org update?
[08:26] <Matt|> ogra!
[08:26] <Matt|> Hikaru79, yup
[08:26] <ogra> Matt|: hey Matt|
[08:26] <Matt|> hitchhiker, yup
[08:27] <hitchhiker> is that gonna be ok with my ati gfx card?
[08:27] <Matt|> hitchhiker, yup
[08:27] <hitchhiker> all is fine with 3d at the moment
[08:27] <Matt|> (hopefully)
[08:27] <eruin> ati+xorg=a mess
[08:27] <eruin> aren't they supposed to release new drivers?
[08:27] <hitchhiker> hmmm
[08:28] <ogra> gen: already tried gftp ? not a lftp frontend though
[08:28] <gen> ogra, have not tried, will now
[08:28] <farruinn> Anyone on a powerpc been able to build flashplayer-mozilla?
[08:29] <hitchhiker> ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.14.6 is the latest
[08:29] <aaroncuk> anyone got any ideas.. getting desperate here!!
[08:30] <gen> ogra, this will work, very nice. thanks.
[08:30] <ogra> :)
[08:30] <farruinn> aaroncuk, you can kill the process - apt is nice because it will pick up where it left off downloading
[08:31] <farruinn> oh, are you using synaptic?
[08:31] <farruinn> of course, make sure that it's actually hanging.... no sense killing it if it's not
[08:32] <Thewrdnr1> Hey, I'm thinking of switching my Debian testing/unstable desktop over to Ubuntu. Really needing gnome 2.8 and friends. I've seen conversion notes, but does anyone have first-hand experience with that?
[08:32] <aaroncuk> how do i kill it?
[08:32] <aigarius> farruinn: only thing that I have heard about powerpc and flashplayer is that it doesn't work, sorry. propably some library is not at the place the binary file expects it to be.
[08:32] <aigarius> Thewrdnr1: the gnome 2.8 is entering the unstable now - first packages are in as of 18.nov
[08:32] <topyli> aaroncuk: try ctrl-c at first. if it doesn't work, switch to another console
[08:32] <hitchhiker> has anyone else got X.org to work with ATI gfx cards with 3d support?
[08:33] <farruinn> aigarius, ok, I'm not getting any helpful output here either just two questionable lines: "strip: Warning: Output file cannot represent architecture UNKNOWN!" and "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `debian/flashplayer-mozilla/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so' gave error exit status 1"
[08:34] <Thewrdnr1> aigarius: Ah, nice.
[08:34] <aaroncuk> control c doesnt work
[08:34] <farruinn> aaroncuk, ever used top?
[08:34] <aaroncuk> and ssh aint installed yet
[08:34] <aaroncuk> top?
[08:35] <aigarius> farruinn: you can try commenting out strip and dpkg-shlibdeps invocation in debian/rules also ensure that strip has not messed up the binary file
[08:36] <topyli> aaroncuk: do ctrl-alt-f2 and killall apt there
[08:36] <hitchhiker> I've just installed ubuntu-calander through synaptic, how do I run it?
[08:36] <topyli> hitchhiker: it's just another wallpaper
[08:37] <farruinn> hitchhiker, dpkg -L package will always tell you what was installed from a package
[08:37] <farruinn> and dpkg -L pakcage | grep bin is helpful for finding commands installed by package
[08:37] <hitchhiker> Ok, thx
[08:38] <mass> are there gotchas to building a kernel from kernel.org source?
[08:39] <mass> I need 2.6.9 for an added driver
[08:39] <farruinn> aigarius, ah, here's the real answer as to why it won't work:
[08:39] <farruinn> dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture powerpc does not appear in package's list (i386)
[08:40] <aigarius> :)
[08:40] <farruinn> oh well, I can at least use mol as long as I get networking working there.
[08:41] <mass> is there a recommended .config file for ubuntu? Are there patches applied to ubuntu-shipped kernels?
[08:46] <hitchhiker> has anyone else got X.org to work with ATI gfx cards with 3d support?
[08:46] <Pluk> nobody afaik
[08:46] <Pluk> except with dri
[08:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, 9250 with the free DRI drivers, but that's probably not what you're asking
[08:46] <Pluk> but that only possible with radeon9200 and lower, if im notmistaken
[08:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) Pluk, correct
[08:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, except +50 :)
[08:47] <Pluk> :D
[08:47] <Pluk> darn it
[08:47] <Pluk> so close
[08:47] <Pluk> ati "promised" there next release will support X.org 6.8.0
[08:48] <mass> does anyone know if the 9250 can support a 1920x1200 LCD over DVI? :)
[08:49] <fang_> so I wiped out my MBR with Fedora on accident, and they use different labels for the drives.  I am now running off a live MEPIS cd and I am in my Ubuntu's /boot/grub directory.  HOw can I run grub-install properly?  I can't seem to chroot there for some reason.
[08:49] <Pluk> nice lcd you got there :)
[08:49] <mass> Pluk: yes, but being >1600x1200 makes it hard to find video cards and KVMs which support it, unfortunately
[08:49] <Pluk> true
[08:50] <mass> the only kvm I've found that supports it is $419 online
[08:50] <Pluk> autsj
[08:50] <Pluk> fang_,  only way i know is through rescue disc, chroot or reinstall
[08:51] <Pluk> in which chroot always worked best
[08:52] <fang_> should i chroot to /mnt/drive or to /mnt/drive/root/ or where??
[08:52] <ogra> fang_: assuming ubuntu is mounted in /mnt and you want to install to hda: grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/boot/grub /dev/hda
[08:54] <fang_> ogra, I can do that without chrooting?
[08:54] <ogra> if there is a grub-install on your rescue cd
[08:54] <ogra> you dont need to chroot...
[08:55] <fang_> ogra, there is a grub install in the /boot/grub directory of my ubuntu install, and I am booted off of a live (rescue I guess) mepis cd
[08:55] <ogra> you also can run it with /mnt/sbin/ prefix
[08:55] <mass> where is the configuration taken to autogenerate the debian section of the grub menu.lst file?
[09:00] <hitchhiker> There's a new version of synaptic on hoary, anyone installed it yet?
[09:00] <fang_> whoa...bad interpreter- permission denied.  must be because it's ubuntu64 and this is a 32bit rescue cd
[09:00] <the_one> hi
[09:01] <ogra> mass: man update-grub
[09:01] <the_one> anyone here has experience with bittornado in ubuntu?
[09:01] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the_one: I use it
[09:01] <hitchhiker> lol @ ogra
[09:02] <ogra> :)
[09:02] <hitchhiker> sorry, missread what you said :(
[09:02] <the_one> kneelbeforexorg: I installed it and it doesn't show in the menus, how do I start it? what's the command?
[09:02] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the_one: it uses the same commands as bittorrent proper: btdownloadcurses, btdownloadgui, btlaunchmany... etc
[09:02] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) it doesn't show in the menu, but you can make it a handler manually
[09:03] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) like, handle .torrent files by running btdownloadgui on it
[09:04] <the_one> kneelbeforexorg: but what's the command to start it exactly, I never really used the original bittorent so I'm not so familiar with the commands. I have installed also bittornado-gui
[09:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) right
[09:04] <Vince-0> It sux not bein root, I cant view my /mnt, which means I gotta run apps as other usr
[09:04] <Vince-0> is there a way around this ?
[09:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) btdownloadgui starts one download in gui mode
[09:04] <s0cks> /dev/linux/
[09:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) that's almost certainly what you want
[09:06] <the_one> well...I have some torrents on my vfat partition (i use azureus in windows, but azureus in linux somehow doesn't like files over 2gb in a vfat partition), so I want to download over the same files in the shared partition
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) um
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) once again: btdownloadgui
[09:07] <the_one> ok
[09:07] <the_one> will try
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) yeah
[09:07] <the_one> thanks
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) sure thing
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) you will want to make it a handler for .torrent files, too
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) so that you can just double-click on the torrent to start downloading
[09:07] <the_one> in "Preffered Applications"?
[09:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) yeah
[09:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) I think so
[09:08] <the_one> you're right
[09:08] <the_one> thanks again
[09:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) cool
[09:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) best of luck
[09:08] <the_one> :)
[09:08] <xukun> I need to show a screenshop to same peaple which I put it on one of my machines running apache, now I need I think some kind of port forwarding(I,m using a router) so peaple can see this screenshot which is in a local machine, how do I do that?
[09:09] <will> xukun: check your spelling :)
[09:10] <xukun> will: dont u get the point?
[09:10] <will> xukun: yeah sorry, are you running in a GUI?
[09:10] <Pluk> xukun, portforwarding should be adressed in the manual of your router
[09:11] <hitchhiker> Well, that was a mistake
[09:11] <hitchhiker> upgraded synaptic
[09:11] <hitchhiker> now its dissappered from my Computer menu
[09:11] <will> anyone here run apache2?
[09:12] <mass> will: somewhat, whats up?
[09:12] <xukun> Pluk: portforwarding is not the problem, I know how to do that, but which port shall  I be forwarding?
[09:12] <Pluk> port 80
[09:12] <xukun> will: I do
[09:12] <Pluk> tcp
[09:12] <Pluk> thatll do for apache
[09:12] <ogra> xukun: and run a webserver
[09:12] <will> didnt realise Ubuntu supports its so well
[09:13] <xukun> ogra: I,m running apache
[09:13] <ogra> xukun: fine :)
[09:13] <the_one> KneelBeforeXorg: do you know if there's some other torrent app similar (as advanced options) to azureus on linux?
[09:13] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the_one: well, bittornado has some good advanced options.  WHat is it you need?
[09:14] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) I mean, if you get javur going you could just use azreus, right?
[09:14] <will> the_one: not yet, but you can use WINE et
[09:14] <will> cc
[09:14] <will> etc
[09:14] <Pluk> :)
[09:15] <will> KneelBeforeXorg: i use Azureus
[09:15] <the_one> java is installed and azureus works, but it hangs all the time and I have to disconnect my external drive (vfat) and reconnect it, which mounts it as sdb1 (normally is sda1)
[09:15] <the_one> it just freezes
[09:15] <the_one> and the hard red led stays on like it's writing
[09:15] <the_one> even after I cloze azureus
[09:15] <will> the_one: have you tried removing all of azureus and all the settings and re-installing?
[09:15] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) is it a USB drive?
[09:16] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) you may be using USB1.1
[09:16] <timte> I rm'd a 2G large file in /var, but df says it still uses 100%. du -sh * in /var doesnt show anything of bigger size.
[09:16] <the_one> no, 2,5 drive
[09:16] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and it's just slow
[09:16] <will> the_one: i had a problem like that
[09:16] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and you're waiting for data to flush
[09:16] <the_one> will: I deleted twice .azureus and set it up again,same ol' problem
[09:17] <the_one> I read somewhere in a forum that people who download files over 2gb have this problem with azureus and vfat target partitions
[09:17] <clavin17> hi - i just tried to install ubuntu on an laptop  - so far it works - but the x-display is not useable  - how can i use ubuntu with the framebuffer?
[09:17] <will> for speed-----under linux....BITTORNADO
[09:18] <eim> Is there any way to turn off IPv6 support on Warty (I really don't need it).
[09:18] <the_one> well...bittornado lacks azureus' features, but at least it looks like it's working so far
[09:18] <the_one> better than nothing
[09:19] <the_one> :)
[09:19] <will> the_one:thats true...if you shut it down.....you cant jsut start it up again unless u manually open the torrent again
[09:19] <will> i seem to go between the two all the time
[09:20] <the_one> I liked the send to tray thing in azureus
[09:20] <will> my favorite client is TORRENTstorm :)
[09:20] <Seq> does anybody think they could help me tackle why speed scaling isn't working on my pentium-m?
[09:20] <the_one> anyways, anyone here using ubuntu on a centrino laptop with intel extreme graphics?
[09:20] <the_one> seq: should work just fine
[09:21] <Seq> the_one: and it was, im not sure why its not now
[09:21] <the_one> anyine with the above mentioned vga in ubuntu?
[09:21] <Seq> the_one: are you getting the 4m memory problem?
[09:22] <the_one> seq: nope...well, not sure, what do you mean?
[09:22] <Seq> the_one: there was a problem with the bios only reporting 4M of video memory on certain centrino notebooks with intel graphics and shared memory
[09:23] <Seq> if i remember, dells stood out, though probably due to popularity
[09:23] <the_one> I was trying to get wolfenstein ET working in ubuntu, but it's sluggish compared to the one in my windows (can you believe I'm able to play this game on Intel Extreme:)
[09:23] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 is sleeping
[09:23] <Seq> the_one: nevermind, different issue. does it support dri?
[09:23] <the_one> seq, the video memory should increase automatically
[09:24] <the_one> when more memory is needed
[09:24] <will> do you get screen corruption?
[09:24] <the_one> anyone know how I can determine if 3d is enabled in my ubuntu for my graphics adapter?
[09:25] <will> i have an intel 810 with intergrated gfx and shared memory....
[09:25] <Seq> glxinfo | grep direct
[09:25] <will> the_one: run glxgears and if u get over 400 fps its enabled
[09:25] <will> the_one: also glxinfo tells you a lot
[09:25] <Pluk> the_one, run glxinfo id it says direct rendering: yes .. you got 3d support
[09:26] <will> glxinfo | grep #direct rendering#
[09:26] <Pluk> indeed :)
[09:27] <will> sorry should be: "direct rendering"
[09:27] <the_one> I got like 614fps
[09:27] <will> the_one: try exactly this:glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[09:28] <Seq> if it means anything to you, dri drivers in my experience don't seem to hold up well to commercial games
[09:28] <will> does anyone know if you can just swap a gfx card around in ubuntu and it will boot w/out any config?
[09:29] <Pluk> it will boot but prolly wont load X
[09:29] <Seq> at least the radeon 7500 in my notebook, and the 9200 in my desktop both ran nwn horribly
[09:29] <socomm> will: xserver won't, you'll need ton configure your new card.
[09:29] <the_one> it's ON
[09:29] <will> socomm: whats the command simply to configure the card, not the mouse etc etc
[09:29] <the_one> but still, can't figure why games won't run in ubuntu as smooth as in windows
[09:29] <socomm> will: unless you're using the vesa driver which works with just about any video adapter.
[09:30] <will> i remember the days of VESA and hercules :)
[09:30] <the_one> I got the linux native version, it's not like I'm using cedega or something
[09:30] <iz> 20836 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4167.200 FPS
[09:30] <ogra> will: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:30] <Seq> the_one: drivers, mostly. which is why nvidia has inroads in linux gaming
[09:30] <will> ogra: im xorg
[09:30] <iz> thats nice for gaming
[09:30] <will> i cant game on a 500mhz celeron :(
[09:30] <Pluk> couldnt get my laptop with a nvidia card :(
[09:30] <socomm> will: `xf86cfg -textmode' just switch the video driver, you don't have to fiddle around with the other options.
[09:31] <Seq> Pluk: me either
[09:31] <the_one> seq: do you have any idea how good is the intel extreme driver for linux supposed to be?
[09:31] <ogra> will: hmmm..... probbly with the xorg package name then
[09:31] <joha> Hi all
[09:31] <Pluk> but i still have good hopes ati will come with improved drivers... i know im an idiot
[09:31] <Pluk> :P
[09:31] <Seq> the_one: since it's not made by intel, and (assumingly, im not looking this up) there is no hardware docs available, not as good as windows
[09:32] <socomm> will: it's the `configure card' option configure your new card and write your configuration file, and run `/etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[09:32] <the_one> pluk: remember the good ol' days in black & white PCs?
[09:32] <Pluk> :D
[09:32] <the_one> there were no such problems back then...
[09:33] <the_one> everybody was happy
[09:33] <socomm> the_one: you mean monochrome displays?
[09:33] <Pluk> Commodore 64 times :P
[09:33] <the_one> socomm: couldn't find the right term, yeah
[09:33] <the_one> PACMAN RULES, DUDE!
[09:33] <the_one> :)
[09:33] <Pluk> hehe
[09:34] <joha> What packages does XINE need so it can play DVDs?
[09:34] <will> brb ppl
[09:34] <the_one> joha: libdvdcss
[09:34] <ogra> joha: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:34] <socomm> libdvdcss == illegal
[09:34] <the_one> you can get also w32codecs while you're at it
[09:35] <the_one> if you know how to find them
[09:35] <the_one> it's ILLEGAL
[09:35] <ogra> the_one: wrong.....
[09:35] <the_one> depends what country you're in
[09:35] <socomm> Unless you live outside of the U.S.
[09:35] <ogra> the_one: youre just not allowed to distribute them :)
[09:35] <the_one> socomm: I was about to say it
[09:35] <Pluk> libdvdcss2 prolly
[09:35] <joha> Thanks the_one, ogra
[09:35] <joha> socomm: ?? why that?
[09:35] <xenonite> i want to submit a bug but i don't know the package where the fonts:/// folder is in.
[09:36] <xenonite> how can i find out?
[09:36] <ogra> xenonite: its nautilus or gnome-vfs
[09:36] <joha> the_one: No I have video stuff working here, but I'm setting up a computer that'll be in a shops window so it only needs to be able to play DVDs, no encoded video files.
[09:36] <socomm> joha: ummm ... regioning reasons.
[09:36] <ogra> xenonite: rather gnome-vfs
[09:36] <xenonite> thx
[09:37] <joha> socomm: Wierd shit. People shouldn't be so crazy after money.
[09:37] <xenonite> ogra, gnome-vfs2?
[09:37] <bratsche> Has anyone had problems starting up and finding panel applets unable to load?
[09:37] <ogra> xenonite: yup
[09:37] <bratsche> This just started right now for me.
[09:37] <bratsche> "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet".
[09:37] <socomm> joha: yeah, movie studios want you to buy different region dvd's if you live in different countries.
[09:38] <ogra> joha: for different prices indeed
[09:38] <ogra> joha: from where ?
[09:38] <xenonite> alright, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3983 submitted
[09:39] <bratsche> This is happening also for "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet"
[09:39] <the_one> guys..how do I actually make bottornado the default app for torents? my brain seems like it's not gonna help right now, maybe yours hasn't throttled yet to 100MHz..
[09:39] <the_one> ;)
[09:39] <socomm> joha: english is a germanic language.
[09:39] <ogra> socomm: lol
[09:40] <Pluk> hahahha lol
[09:40] <eim> I'm experiencing many network collission on eth0, all configs seem to be ok. Any ideas on how to debug this? Thanks.
[09:40] <Pluk> my parents bought kill bill
[09:41] <Pluk> and then realized it wasnt really their genre
[09:41] <Pluk> hehe free kill bill for me :)
[09:42] <PenguinBoy> afternoon guys!
[09:42] <Pluk> hiya PenguinBoy
[09:42] <socomm> Hmmm ... a sed error when trying to upgrade, anyone know anything about this?
[09:42] <the_one> penguinboy: good evening
[09:42] <the_one> :)
[09:42] <PenguinBoy> 8=D
[09:43] <ogra> socomm: refresh your soureces list :)
[09:43] <ogra> sources
[09:43] <ogra> socomm: youre on hoary, right ?
[09:43] <Pluk> i thought the sed error was fixed already?
[09:44] <Pluk> ah indeed maybe old sources
[09:44] <xukun> ubuntu does not work with freenx
[09:44] <ogra> Pluk: if your package list isnt up to date ....
[09:44] <socomm> ogra: Yes.
[09:44] <ogra> xukun: its planned for hoary
[09:45] <xukun> ogra: I,m using hoary
[09:45] <ogra> xukun: no primary goal though
[09:45] <socomm> ogra: `apt-get update' should do it, right?
[09:45] <PenguinBoy> anyone have any trouble installign straw???
[09:45] <ogra> xukun: if hoary comes out....you are using the dev branch :)..... hoary is april......
[09:45] <ogra> socomm: yep
[09:46] <Nefarous> Can't set DVD-RW dma mode using hdparm "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" any known workaround?
[09:46] <socomm> ogra: Thanks.
[09:46] <xukun> ogra: take a look of this if dont mind: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:49021/remote_nxserver_screenshot.png
[09:46] <socomm> Nefarous: you probably need to enable it into your kernel. Dunno if it's enabled in ubuntus stock kernel.
[09:47] <Nefarous> socomm: any chance there is a option I can pass during the module load?
[09:47] <the_one> question for people in the know: is there something similar to dvdshrink in linux, or some port of it in the future?
[09:48] <socomm> Nefarous: there may be, but I haven't used the ubuntu kernel so you're pretty much on your own.
[09:48] <Amaranth> whats the default root password for mysql-server?
[09:48] <socomm> the_one: what is dvdshrink.
[09:49] <Nefarous> socomm: sorry, I thought I was on the *ubuntu* channel <smirk>
[09:49] <Pluk> :P
[09:49] <ogra> Nefarous: its a bug in the order the ide drivers are loaded.....
[09:49] <socomm> Nefarous: hang around there maybe someone who can help you. I'm using a custom kernel that's all.
[09:49] <ogra> Nefarous: make sure your chipset driver is loaded before any ide- drivers
[09:50] <ogra> i.e. ide-disk ide-cd
[09:50] <Amaranth> nevermind
[09:50] <xukun> ogra: what do you think of that,  when I make a nx connection to hoary system, from other os non than ubuntu it self that is how far it goes
[09:50] <the_one> socomm: it's a program which let's you "shrink" a dvd9 to fit on a dvd5 (regular dvd-r), of course, I'm talking about unencrypted dvds
[09:51] <ogra> xukun: are you sure aou are on ubuntu....? i see kde ;)
[09:51] <ogra> xukun: i have no idea, sorry....never used nx
[09:52] <xukun> ogra: the system I,m using now is not hoary, and is what I,m talking about
[09:52] <xukun> or ubuntu
[09:52] <ogra> xukun: i know....just kidding :)
[09:52] <socomm> the_one: not that I know of.
[09:53] <Nefarous> orga: will go try that, many thanks ...
[09:53] <ogra> xukun: i know it is planned for inclusion (gnome client i guess) and if its possible in time, then in hoary.....
[09:53] <xukun> who is using mac os and connecting to my system? :)
[09:54] <the_one> guys, gotta go
[09:54] <the_one> see you around
[09:54] <the_one> bye
[09:54] <Pluk> cya the_one
[09:54] <mroth> about to do a fresh install of hoary.  are there any ISOs for a checkmark yet or should I just do a warty cd install and then upgrade from that?
[09:56] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 is awesome
[09:57] <pepsi_> bob3!
[09:57] <socomm> bob?
[09:57] <socks> Changing my setup around
[09:57] <socks> sorry for the join/quit spam
[09:59] <the_one> i'm back
[09:59] <Pluk> so soon? :)
[10:00] <the_one> couldn't live without being here!
[10:00] <Pluk> good :)
[10:01] <sleon> hi
[10:01] <sleon> is there no mplayer package for ubuntu?
[10:01] <Pluk> hi sleon
[10:01] <the_one> guys, in bittornado the light is always yellow, what's wrong?  Sorry if I am mad, this is nonstop work.
[10:06] <ramzez> hi everyone
[10:06] <sleon> is there a way to view the virtual packages section from synaptics?
[10:07] <ramzez> i am new in linux, hope you can help me sometimes :-)
[10:07] <sleon> ramzez, sure
[10:08] <ramzez> always wanted to install it and finally did
[10:08] <mass> the_one: probably your firewall is preventing  you from exposing a port to the world
[10:09] <mass> the_one: that limits the possible ways to connect to peers from 3 to 1
[10:10] <ramzez> how is "speedstep" works under linux, it looks to me that acpi is recognised currectly, i even have a battery icon, is there a way to check what is current cpu speed?
[10:11] <pisuke> ramzez, add the cpufreq applet to the panel
[10:12] <ramzez> pisuke, how?
[10:12] <one_2_one> any ppc user here ?
[10:12] (bob2/#ubuntu) right click -> add to panel -> cpu freq
[10:13] <RuffianSoldier> Who here uses Ubuntu as a server?
[10:13] <pisuke> bob2, thx
[10:13] <pisuke> less typing
[10:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: lots of people
[10:13] <pisuke> :)
[10:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) it's best to just ask your question instead of meta-asking
[10:14] <sleon> ramzez, have you solved it?
[10:14] <sleon> ramzez, right click on the panel
[10:14] <sleon> ramzez, choose add. then choose cpu scaling monitor
[10:14] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, ?? meta-asking?
[10:15] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: ask to ask
[10:15] <pisuke> bbye
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> ogra, what is ask to ask?  I just wanted to know who uses Ubuntu on there server
[10:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: lots of people do, do you want all hundred of them to say so?
[10:16] <bash> some one install medal of honor in ubuntu ?
[10:16] <sleon> can i ask it again? is there a virtual packages section in synaptics?
[10:16] <xenonite> try it with cedega/winex
[10:16] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, yes
[10:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: well, that is very silly
[10:17] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, im very silly
[10:17] <gen> obviously
[10:17] <ogra> sleon: not at the current state....but mvo (the developer) is always open to good suggestions
[10:17] <davide> hello, i am new to linux. i have a laptop hp zv5000 . i installed ubuntu but the audio doesn't work, can anybody help me?
[10:17] <xenonite> russiansoldier: do you use ubuntu?
[10:17] <JStrike> I dont think wine (and therefor cedaga) works that well under Ubuntu
[10:17] <RubenV> JStrike: why wouldn't it?
[10:17] <lonewolff> evening all, how can i write to a cd in ubuntu? (not a scsi drive)
[10:17] <RubenV> it's just not supported
[10:18] <RubenV> ubuntu is just debian after all
[10:18] <gen> not supported doesnt mean doesnt work
[10:18] (bob2/#ubuntu) lonewolff: data cd?
[10:18] <JStrike> RubenV : Apps that are known to work in Wine without any modification, dont work under Ubuntu with Wine
[10:18] <sleon> ogra, nice, second question: i added two repositores from restricted format page, updated package lists in synpatics after that, now i can install mozilla, but can not see mozilla-mplayer, why?
[10:18] <sleon> ogra, it is listed on the page
[10:18] <RubenV> JStrike: that's rather a matter of the version of wine packaged
[10:18] <JStrike> RubenV : I assume Ubuntu modifies the wine packages
[10:19] <RubenV> ubuntu doesn't ship wine afaik
[10:19] <lonewolff> bob2: yes, i want to write an iso to cd
[10:19] <JStrike> Nope. But the wine package in Multiverse doesn't work
[10:19] <lonewolff> but cdrecord wont write it
[10:19] <RubenV> that's not ubunu's fault
[10:19] (bob2/#ubuntu) lonewolff: right click on it in nautilus
[10:19] <RubenV> multiverse is totally unsupported
[10:19] <ogra> sleon: i see it..... did you add marillat ?
[10:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) lonewolff: you're using cdrecord wrong: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[10:20] <sleon> ogra, yes...
[10:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) or whatever ide device your burner is
[10:20] <ogra> sleon: testing ?
[10:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) wine is not in multiberse
[10:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) it's unambiguously Free
[10:20] <davide> hello, i am new to linux. i have a laptop hp zv5000 . i installed ubuntu but the audio doesn't work, can anybody help me? the audio card is an ati soundmax i believe.
[10:20] <sleon> ogra, no main, on the page is told to add main
[10:20] <spacey`ki> that nx stuff looks cool
[10:20] <sleon> ogra, a yes
[10:20] <sleon> ogra, Distibution Testing section main
[10:21] <JStrike> RubenV : I am aware of that. I wasn't looking for cannonical support
[10:21] <sleon> yes i added it that way
[10:21] <ogra> sleon: eith a small t ?
[10:21] <ogra> with
[10:21] <RubenV> those are debian packages
[10:21] <sleon> ogra, yes
[10:21] <sleon> ogra, cut and paste from page
[10:21] <ogra> hmm, should be there then
[10:21] <JStrike> I was just informing whoever was talking about Cedega
[10:21] <sleon> ogra, could it be removed?
[10:21] <RubenV> cedega is a patched wine
[10:21] <sleon> ogra, when did you updated it last time?
[10:21] <RubenV> could as well work
[10:22] <sleon> ogra, and also why is there no firefox 1.0 in the repositories?
[10:22] <spacey`ki> someone tested this nx?
[10:22] <ogra> sleon: i updated yesterday....but dont use mplayer....
[10:22] <RubenV> sleon: there is in hoary
[10:22] <sleon> ogra, i see mplayerplug-in but no mozilla-mplayer
[10:22] <sleon> RubenV, hoary??
[10:22] <mass> with the new md raid package, I have a /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file - but the /dev/* entries are not there when the raid is being set up :(
[10:23] <RubenV> sleon: the development branch
[10:23] <JStrike> bob2 : Shouldn't Wine fall unde exactly the same boat as Mono?
[10:23] <RubenV> warty is stable
[10:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) JStrike: huh? both are Free software.
[10:23] <sleon> RubenV, should i use it or not?
[10:23] <gen> if you like fixing stuff over time, sure
[10:23] <JStrike> bob2 : I am aware. But isn't Mono in multiverse?
[10:24] <sleon> also can i ask what  are deb-src repositories for?
[10:24] <sleon> gen, a ok
[10:24] <ogra> sleon: hmm, you are right, its not in the archive anymore....
[10:24] <sleon> ogra, a ok
[10:24] (bob2/#ubuntu) JStrike: don't think so
[10:24] <mass> sleon: for the source code to the packages, apt-get source and the like
[10:24] <sleon> mass, will it then automaticcly build packages from it?
[10:25] <sleon> a la bsd
[10:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) sleon: source packages
[10:25] <mass> sleon: you have to initiate it I believe
[10:25] <sleon> a ok
[10:25] <mass> cd <package dir> && dpkg-buildpackage
[10:25] <sleon> but source packages can not be build automatically?
[10:25] <sleon> then apt get downloads and auto builds then then installs
[10:26] <RubenV> mass: you rather need something like dpkg-buildpkg -rfakeroot
[10:26] <ogra> sleon: they can with apt.....
[10:26] <RubenV> :)
[10:26] <mass> RubenV: aww, I do everything as real root
[10:26] <sleon> ogra, and how? :)
[10:26] <gen> mass, you don't like security do you
[10:26] <ogra> sleon: sudo apt-get source -b <packagename>
[10:27] <sleon> ogra, interesting, will it also build all dependences?
[10:27] <MaFioZoX> hey ya tu quelqun qui a dja installer un serveur counter strike???
[10:28] <ogra> sleon: sudo apt-get build-dep <packagename> pulls in all needed dev packages....but doesnt compile them .... its not gentoo ;)
[10:28] <gen> english mafizox
[10:28] <MaFioZoX> ok
[10:28] <sleon> ogra, hehhee... i switched from gentoo recently you know?
[10:28] <MaFioZoX> who now how to install a counter strike server on linux?
[10:28] <ogra> sleon: you sounded like ;)
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> who now how to install a counter strike server on linux?
[10:29] <sleon> MaFioZoX, do you speak german?
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> no french...
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> and a bit ienglish<
[10:29] <sleon> MaFioZoX, i have german instructions here
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> ok...
[10:29] <sleon> MaFioZoX, but i translate them with bubblefish
[10:29] <gen> sleon, obviously that wont help
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> ok
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> give me
[10:29] <billytwowilly> MaFioZoX, how did you get a videotron.ca hostname? I thought shaw bought them
[10:29] <sleon> gen, really?
[10:29] <gen> this is before you said the translation part
[10:30] <gen> :)
[10:30] <sleon> :)
[10:30] <MaFioZoX> bb its my internet
[10:31] <ogra> mass: what do you need it for ?
[10:31] <MaFioZoX> what is it?
[10:31] <mass> initrd.img?
[10:32] <mass> just a small, barely interesting file needed for my kernel to boot :P
[10:32] <ogra> mass: yeah....there are enough precompiled ones.....
[10:32] <madsen> Hmm, is there supposed to be a bootsplash in the std installation of Ubuntu?
[10:32] <ogra> mass: you build your own kernel  ?
[10:32] <mass> ogra: had to
[10:32] <ogra> madsen: nope....
[10:33] <ogra> mass: why that :/
[10:33] <madsen> mass: Then why didn't you build an initrd with it, if you selected an initrd enabled kernel?
[10:33] <mass> ogra: one of the device drivers I needed is only in 2.6.9
[10:33] <Tomcat_> Famous last words...
[10:33] <mass> madsen: because I'm goofy? its just a different make-kpkg target right?
[10:33] <Tomcat_> "Ubuntu is the best distro I've seen so far" - Me
[10:33] <Tomcat_> :o
[10:33] <mass> I like ubuntu so far :)
[10:34] <mass> even though the md stuff was a little torturous
[10:34] <Tomcat_> I installed it on my brand new laptop on Friday...
[10:34] <Tomcat_> Everything just works...
[10:34] <ogra> sudo make-kpkg --revision your.rev --append_to_version -3-yourprocessor --initrd binary
[10:34] <Tomcat_> SpeedStepping, Laptop-mode...
[10:34] <HWolf> Tomcat_ It'd be interesting if the laptop where smoking now...
[10:34] <madsen> ogra: Hmm, ok, 'cause the 'splash' option to the kernel in grub kinda indicated it and I couldn't see why it didn't work.
[10:34] <billytwowilly> Tomcat_, I noticed that too. I used to be a suse user.
[10:34] <ogra> mass: builds a initrd in the package
[10:35] <ogra> madsen: that would be only a splash for the grub menu.....bootsplash is a bit more....
[10:35] <madsen> mass: I can't remember, I never used it. I just build my kernel without initrd.
[10:35] <Tomcat_> I'm still wondering if I really want to trade battery life and duration for hd life, but I guess I'll do it (laptop-mode)
[10:35] <mass> ogra,madsen: do I also need to install this cramfs patch that it is warning me about?
[10:35] <madsen> ogra: No, the grub-splash is not a kernel option...
[10:35] <ogra> madsen: whats what i said, yes ;)
[10:36] <MaFioZoX> re
[10:36] <ogra> thats
[10:36] <socomm> ogra: boot-splash?
[10:36] <Tomcat_> Well, cye.
[10:36] <MaFioZoX> who know counter strike?
[10:36] <ogra> socomm, madsen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[10:37] <socomm> ogra: I see.
[10:37] <madsen> ogra: The "kernel" line from my grub reads: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-3-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash" and _that's_ what I'm talking about...
[10:37] <skeff> What's decent IMAP mailbox notifier to put on the Gnome panel?
[10:37] <madsen> MaFioZoX: I played a couple of years ago..
[10:37] <sleon> MaFioZoX, http://server.counter-strike.net/server.php?cmd=howto&show=linux this site is the main counter strike server info site, for all plattforms
[10:38] <ogra> madsen: yep...you can add a splashscreen to the grub menu....
[10:38] <sleon> http://server.counter-strike.net/server.php?cmd=howto&show=linux
[10:38] <madsen> ogra: But that's not in the menu.lst as a option to the kernel!
[10:38] <Juerd> Is it possible to switch keymaps using a key combination?
[10:38] <MaFioZoX> thank
[10:38] <Juerd> If this is the "changes group" thing, then it is broken.
[10:38] <mass> hmm
[10:39] <ogra> madsen: no, you would have to add an option.....
[10:39] <sleon> MaFioZoX, http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_fr&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fserver.counter-strike.net%2fserver.php%3fcmd%3dhowto%26show%3dlinux
[10:39] <sleon> MaFioZoX, here in french
[10:39] <madsen> ogra: Precisely, so here's my question: Why the "splash" option to the kernel? (Since it has _nothing_ to do with a grub-splash.)
[10:40] <HWolf> @find Rebel Angel
[10:40] <HWolf> Whoops.
[10:40] <HWolf> Damn.
[10:40] <MaFioZoX> ok tank
[10:40] <HWolf> Sorry guys.
[10:40] <ogra> madsen: baecause you only have to add the picture and it wil get used probably....
[10:40] <mass> ok, I'm going to just assume this patch make-kpkg is complaining about is for the 2.4 series
[10:41] <madsen> ogra: No, as I just told you, that's a completely different thing!
[10:41] <ogra> madsen: we are talking about a grub background to the grub menu, arent we ?
[10:41] <madsen> ogra: The "splash" in the "kernel" line of menu.lst has nothing - I repeat - _nothing_ to do with grub-splash.
[10:42] <madsen> ogra: No, I'm talking about a bootsplash... A splash-screen that is shown while the kernel is booting... It has nothing to do with grub.
[10:42] <madsen> ogra: ... other than grub can boot it.
[10:42] <ogra> madsen: there simply is no kind of splash in ubuntu now, i have no clue why someone decided this option shoudl be in ther ok ?
[10:44] <madsen> ogra: Ok, I'm glad you finally understood my question. :) I'm sorry I got a bit harsh there... I just got frustrated that we kept talking about different things.
[10:44] <ogra> madsen: k :)
[10:44] <xenonite> skeff: sylpheed might be interesting for IMAP
[10:45] <Juerd> How to switching keymaps; anyone?
[10:45] <Juerd> s/ing//
[10:45] <Juerd> (Without visiting the Keyboard dialog, that is)
[10:45] <madsen> Juerd: I think you can do a 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data', but I'm not sure... Or are you talking about non-console keymaps?
[10:45] <madsen> Juerd: Oh, in X?
[10:46] <Juerd> X, yes.
[10:46] <madsen> Juerd: You can do it in XF86Config iirc.
[10:46] <madsen> Juerd: let me check, hang on a sec
[10:46] <Juerd> I know that, but I wish to do it on the fly
[10:47] <Juerd> That is: a keyboard combination or panel applet that calls setxkbmap and alternates between two (or more) layouts
[10:47] <madsen> Juerd: Oh, hmm... Then I'm not really sure...
[10:47] <ogra> Juerd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will ask you .....
[10:47] <Juerd> Windows has it, KDE has it, but I can't find something similar in Ubuntu
[10:47] <aigarius> Juerd: add a Keyboard switcher applet to panel
[10:47] <Juerd> The Keyboard dialog lets one configure multiple maps, but only the first one is used.
[10:47] <ogra> Juerd: it is prefiled with the current defaults, so just hit enter till the keymap dialog
[10:47] <Juerd> aigarius: Eh. I haven't found that, even though I was looking for it.
[10:48] <aigarius> Juerd: right click on the free space on the panel -> Add -> ...
[10:48] <mass> can I enter japanese text or support a japanese locale on ubuntu?
[10:48] <madsen> Juerd: "Keyboard Indicator" in "Add to panel..."
[10:48] <Juerd> ogra: It's much easier to type "setxkbmap dvorak" than to type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" :)
[10:48] <ogra> Juerd: sure, but is this permanent ?
[10:48] <Juerd> aigarius, madsen: Thanks. I don't know why I didn't see it the last 4 times I looked there.
[10:49] <Matt|> hi ladies. Who knows how hotplug works? I want to remove some things
[10:49] <Juerd> ogra: No, I was looking for non-permanent changes.
[10:49] <ogra> Juerd: ah, ok :)
[10:49] <madsen> Juerd: np, the new layout of "Add to panel..." is a bit confusing imo... I liked the old menu-style thingy.
[10:49] <Juerd> I'm a vim fanatic. I've edited XF86Config-4 long before I've reconfigured any package ;)
[10:49] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, add modules that you don't want loaded to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:49] <aigarius> Juerd: be aware this switcher has a lot of strange limitations - like no more than 4 languages
[10:49] <Matt|> mjr, magic thanks
[10:50] <aigarius> madsen: me too - it was more reasonable
[10:50] <Juerd> aigarius: That's okay. As long as it can alternate between US QWERTY and US Dvorak, that's fine with me
[10:50] <Matt|> mjr, where is the list of things which is DOES load do you know?
[10:50] <Juerd> (Which are called "U.S. English" and "Dvorak", which is strange)
[10:50] <ogra> Matt|: below /etc/hotplug ?
[10:50] <Juerd> It has nothing to do with "English"
[10:50] <Juerd> It's the US layout
[10:50] <Matt|> ok
[10:50] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, haven't had to check, since it pretty much loads everything I might want ;)
[10:50] <aigarius> Juerd: I am having a major discussion with the autor of that thing to fix the limitations which were not there in gnome 2.4
[10:51] <Matt|> there is also a hotplug.d
[10:51] <Juerd> Countries, not languages, make keyboard layouts!!
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: for scripts on events i guess
[10:51] <Juerd> Anyway, thanks. afk
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, thanks
[10:51] <madsen> Juerd: Hmm, sorry, misunderstood you... Hmm... Good question.
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, i'm pretty sure i don't need hotplug, except that my sound doesn't work without it :(
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, so i was thinking maybe just load the sound modules
[10:52] <ogra> Matt|: i woudnt drop hotplug.....
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, that's what they all say
[10:52] <Matt|> ;p
[10:52] <ogra> Matt|: cares for a lot more than your sound..... look in /etc/hotplug.....
[10:52] <Felix_> hello
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, will do
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, but i haven't run it on the last boot and everything else with working
[10:53] <Felix_> hi
[10:53] <fissy> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[10:53] <fissy> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[10:53] <fissy> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[10:53] <fissy> configure: error: *** GTK+ >= 2.4.0 not installed - please install first ***
[10:53] <Matt|> on other distros i've run they've always had a script which activated my sound without the hotplug script
[10:53] <fissy> what do i need to install?
[10:54] <fissy> obviously i have gtk+ installed
[10:54] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) fissy: you need gtk+ development
[10:54] <fissy> ahh k, ta
[10:54] <MaFioZoX> hey it dont wrk (for counter strike server)
[10:54] <ogra> Matt|: its your system ;) if you are fine without it.....but dont blame anybody about misfunction..... :)
[10:54] <Matt|> ogra, i never blame people
[10:54] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) fissy: libgtk2.0-dev probably
[10:54] <ogra> Matt|: true :)
[10:55] <ogra> fissy: what do you compile ?
[10:55] <Matt|> ogra, does hotplug run all the time, or just when it is called?
[10:56] <fissy> sjoerd, yep getting
[10:56] <fissy> ogra, 'itouch' uses your 'internet keyboard' buttons in beep
[10:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) hotplug is invoked only when it has something to do
[10:57] <fissy> ogra, did you have any thoughts on my sftp problem, if you remember me asking
[10:57] <socomm> All right how do I enable CPU_FREQ?
[10:57] (bob2/#ubuntu) socomm: it's already enabled in ubuntu kernels
[10:57] <Matt|> mjr, so it controls plug and play usb?
[10:57] <ogra> fissy: nautius.... ?
[10:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, yes
[10:57] <ogra> +l
[10:57] <socomm> bob2: I'm rolling my own, would you happen to where it's located?
[10:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) when an usb device is plugged in or removed, hotplug is called to handle it
[10:58] <MaFioZoX> ogra, hey you website dont work(for my cs linux server)
[10:58] <fissy> ogra, yep in nautilus, connections time out because the sftp server doesn't respond with a password prompt in time
[10:58] <ogra> MaFioZoX: my website ?
[10:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) socomm: why?
[10:58] <xenonite> MaFioZoX: look in google for the cs-intallation on linux
[10:58] <socomm> bob2: because I'd like to use that particular option ...
[10:58] <MaFioZoX> ogra, the web site you give me...
[10:59] <MaFioZoX> xenonite, ok i will try...
[10:59] <ogra> fissy: no, lbut there is gftp , its able to do sftp.....probably a workaround
[10:59] <Matt|> mjr, ok i will keep running it then ;)
[10:59] <socomm> bob2: nix that I found the option.
[10:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) socomm: I mean, why are you building your own kernel to begin with?
[10:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) if ubuntu is missing something, please file a bug
[10:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, well you'd better :)
[10:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, it also does most pci card drivers
[11:00] <Matt|> only usb and sound isn't working without it
[11:00] <ogra> MaFioZoX: this was sleon......not me :)
[11:00] <socomm> bob2: I just like to add funky stuff to my kernel, it's nothing against ubuntus kernel.
[11:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) socomm: what sort of stuff?
[11:01] <ogra> socomm: what could be funky and missing in the ubuntu stok kernel ?
[11:01] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:01] <ogra> +c
[11:01] <socomm> boot-splash, ummm ....
[11:01] <ogra> socomm: better help with usplash.....
[11:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) haha
[11:02] <ogra> socomm: to get this forward :)
[11:02] <socomm> ogra: I'm not into that.
[11:02] <Matt|> on my computer building a clean kernel has helped to let me see how much battery time i have left
[11:02] <ogra> Matt|: hmm, on my laptops this worked by default.....
[11:03] <Matt|> ogra, not here :(
[11:03] <ogra> Matt|: and this sony here has a very weird bios from 1999
[11:03] <Matt|> loads of people come in here with HP and compaq lappys and have acpi problems
[11:04] <ogra> Matt|: thats true.... dell is still more worse......
[11:04] <Matt|> really?
[11:04] <Pluk> thk god mine is ibm
[11:04] <Pluk> :)
[11:04] <Matt|> i thought ubuntu was good with laptops
[11:04] <Matt|> someone told me that
[11:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) I will never understand ACPI
[11:05] <ogra> Matt|: but if the manufactuer sels a bad bios.....
[11:05] <ogra> +l
[11:05] <Matt|> ogra, *laughs*
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) every time I wrestle with APM, someone says "Use ACPI instead!"
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) so I try it
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and then I ask "uh, so how the hell do I suspend?"
[11:05] <Matt|> ogra, it's not the manufacturer
[11:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you want good laptop support, buy a properly supported laptop, like an x40
[11:05] <Matt|> ogra, its the ubuntu unfortunately
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and the answer is usually "OMFG u n00b that's not what it's for!!!!"
 Is framebuffer compiled into the kernel?
[11:06] <fissy> lftp?
[11:07] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: but asking "how do I suspend" means you're probably screwed already
[11:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) bob2: I was using the dorkspeak to point out what a ridiculous response it is.  They don't actually type like that.
[11:07] <Matt|> Chibi, yeah guess so
[11:07] <aigarius> well I have a HP nx9005 and ACPI is working just fine here as soon as Local APIC is turned off (it hand on boot if that is on)
[11:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) bob2: but the general consensus is that ACPI doesn't *do* that sort of thing
[11:07] <fissy> i can cope with command line btw, but i'm really trying to get this setup for a friend who can't
[11:07] <Matt|> aigarius, you had to turn it off by hand tho huh?
[11:07] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: of course it does
[11:07] <gen> what are your problems with gftp fissy
[11:07] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: just not on broken laptops
[11:07] <Matt|> aigarius, doesn't fix my prob sadly :(
[11:07] <aigarius> Matt|: no
[11:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) bob2: and "broken" seems to mean a vast majority
[11:08] <Matt|> aigarius, really?
[11:08] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: yes, it does
[11:08] <ogra> KneelBeforeXorg: its a metter of ignoring standards
[11:08] <ogra> +a
[11:08] (bob2/#ubuntu) vast vast majority
[11:08] <Chibi> Debian kernel compiles are a bitch. :P
[11:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) all this is well and good
[11:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) but why the hell do distros jump toward it when it doesn't *work*?
[11:08] <aigarius> Matt|: this laptop has no APM only ACPI and if ACPI is compiled into kernel it all just works
[11:08] <baluba> gen, it's really, really handy, just a handfull of command to do everything. beside that gftp always gave me little problems
[11:08] (bob2/#ubuntu) "jump toward it"?
[11:09] (bob2/#ubuntu) most machines only support one or the other
[11:09] <Matt|> aigarius, well here too, but i was simply saying that it doesn't on ubuntu
[11:09] <gen> baluba, yeah i know. i love lftp, i want a ui front end for it though.
[11:09] <aigarius> Matt|: ubuntu propably has APM in kernel and that can interfere
[11:09] <Matt|> aigarius, i think it is a patch tbh
[11:09] (bob2/#ubuntu) no, it doesn't
[11:10] (bob2/#ubuntu) both apm and acpi are modules
[11:10] <fissy> gen: <ogra> baluba: gnome frontend ?
 gftp hates me independent of what i've installed it on
 KneelBeforeXorg: yes
 Hrmm...  I'm trying to play Quake2 using the supplied packages in synaptic, but when I try to start it, I get an error that LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory and that Error: Couldn't fall back to software refresh!...  Can anyone point me in the right direction?  Google is not much help on this one
[11:10] <oktech> switched
[11:10] <baluba> oktech, welcome
[11:10] <fissy> gen: 3: Protocol Initialization
[11:10] <fissy> There was an error initializing a SSH connection with the remote server. The error message from the remote server follows:
[11:10] <fissy> bash: line 1: sftp-server: command not found
[11:11] <oktech> now, the first logical question for me is this
[11:11] <oktech>  how do I install a programm on linux???
[11:11] <Chibi> mike998- Install SDL
[11:11] <Matt|> oktech, welcome
[11:11] <mike998> Chibi: I will try it
[11:11] <Matt|> oktech, you use the Synaptic package manger, in the Computer -> System menu
[11:11] (bob2/#ubuntu) oktech: you mean on ubuntu? wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:12] <oktech> ok, thanks i will have a look there!
[11:12] <ogra> bob2: this wiki is terrible broken
[11:12] <will> does linux in general support USB keyboards on boot ?
[11:13] <mike998> Chibi: silly question - you mean libsdl-sound1.2 - right?
[11:13] <Chibi> No.
[11:13] <Chibi> I mean ALL of sdl. the graphic parts included.
[11:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) ogra: and people keep doing stupid things like changing the frontpage
[11:13] <Matt|> OMG!
[11:13] <Matt|> it is so hard to keep track of where the wiki is these days
[11:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) the wiki location has changed once
[11:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) ever
[11:14] <ogra> bob2: who has access there, thought it would be closed for the public
[11:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) will: that's a bios question
[11:14] <Matt|> well it is still wrong on ubuntu-arkwork
[11:14] <Matt|> art
[11:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) ogra: anyone can.  someone went and made it like 5 pages long
[11:14] <Chibi> It's a wiki. Anyone can change it o_O
[11:14] <Chibi> I've done a bit to it myself :D
[11:15] <ogra> bob2: ;)  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3951
[11:15] <Matt|> bob2, also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewFrontPage is out of date isn't it?
[11:15] <will> bob2: oh yeah....doh!
[11:15] <Chibi> Still need to write a wine section.
[11:15] (bob2/#ubuntu) Matt|: anything on wiki.u.c is probably out of date
[11:16] <Matt|> bob2, quite
[11:16] <JStrike> Chibi : Would be great to find out how to get wine working
[11:16] <Lyresto> hello
[11:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) you need to do more than just install wine?
[11:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) then wine in Debian needs some bugs filed
[11:17] <Chibi> bob2- Wine generally needs tweaking to do certain things.
[11:17] <JStrike> Well, clearly so
[11:17] <Chibi> Some people don't know that.
[11:17] (bob2/#ubuntu) why doesn't it do it automatically?
[11:17] (bob2/#ubuntu) do the wine people know this?
[11:17] <Chibi> ....
[11:17] <Matt|> it is ubuntu-artwork which supplies the homepage still right?
[11:17] <mroth> hmm.. i have a brand new warty install that is freezing on boot.  gets to "Ok, booting the kernel" and then nothing
[11:18] <Chibi> Yes. It's an ALPHA peice of software, and still highly expirimental.
[11:18] (bob2/#ubuntu) Matt|: it won't be changed in warty, I'd think
[11:18] <Matt|> bob2, hoary?
[11:18] (bob2/#ubuntu) Chibi: yes, but can you give me an example of when/why it needs tweaking?
[11:18] <JStrike> Wine (From WineHQ) is supposed to work out the box with an app I am trying to get running. So clearly the Ubuntu packagers are changing something in the config
[11:18] (bob2/#ubuntu) Matt|: I thought it'd been done already
[11:18] <Matt|> the address is /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html, so i guess it's still that package
[11:18] <Chibi> When the program you're trying to run DOESN'T run. :P
[11:19] <mirak> why can't we do hardlinks on folders ?
[11:19] (bob2/#ubuntu) JStrike: so when you bulid it from upstream's source, it works fine?
[11:20] <Chibi> JStrike- Nothing runs out of the box with a pre-compile wine, because you haven't set it up yet.
[11:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) mirak: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/sf/linux/2004-q2/0018.html
[11:20] <Lyresto> why does the same DNS server lasts at least 30 seconds to resolve a name with ubuntu/firefox and less than a second with w98/firefox?
[11:21] <Chibi> Lyresto- Windows keeps a large archive of names for you per session.
[11:21] <Lyresto> Chibi, thanks
[11:21] <Chibi> Also the reason you have to reboot when someone changes an IP or nameserver.
[11:21] <Chibi> On windows.
[11:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) Chibi: so does firefox
[11:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) Lyresto: does disabling ipv6 help?
[11:22] <Lyresto> i'll try
[11:22] (bob2/#ubuntu) Lyresto: do you know how?
[11:22] <Lyresto> yes
[11:22] <Matt|> Lyresto, there is a nice guide on ubuntuforums
[11:22] <mirak> bob2: I have read that it was to prevent circularities, but kernel handles sym links circularities already
[11:22] <Lyresto> Matt|, thanks
[11:22] <mirak> bob2: however I don't understand this "prevent your directory tree from becoming an arbitrary mishmash."
[11:23] <Lyresto> Chibi, are you spanish?
[11:23] (mjr/#ubuntu) mirak, well, there's the matter of where the ".." points and loops and such
[11:23] <Chibi> Nope.
[11:23] <topyli> does ide-scsi still help when cd burning makes you cry?
[11:23] <ogra> topyli: nope
[11:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) topyli: no
[11:23] (mjr/#ubuntu) ide-scsi adds pepper spray to the mix
[11:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) topyli: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc
[11:23] <ogra> topyli: dev=/dev/hdX
[11:24] <mirak> mjr: I was thinking that ln could check if you are trying to create a circularity, but it would consume a lot of resource probably
[11:24] <topyli> bob2: yes, that works for xcdroast too. nautilus-cd-burner can't be told anything though, it seems
[11:24] (bob2/#ubuntu) topyli: it just Works for me
[11:24] <topyli> bob2: congratulations :)
[11:25] <Lyresto> thanks everybody for the help. :-)
[11:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) mirak: doesn't that require keeping the whole filesystem metadata in memory?
[11:25] <Lyresto> bye
[11:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) topyli: ie you've found a bug
[11:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) Lyresto: it helped?
[11:25] (mjr/#ubuntu) yah, if nautilus-cd-burner doesn't find the drive, report it
[11:25] <topyli> bob2: ok, let's file it
[11:25] <mirak> bob2: well the file system is just a tree
[11:26] <topyli> let me reverse the ide-scsi stuff first so i don't forget before i reboot someday :)
[11:26] <mirak> bob2: it would push to do a tree run in width
[11:26] <mirak> I don't how to call this
[11:28] <ddepiano> Is it possible with the Ubuntu installer to install over my Mandrake distro and preserve my /home on a second hard drive?
[11:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: depends on how you have it setup
[11:29] <ogra> ddepiano: if you know the deviace name.....
[11:29] <ogra> -a
[11:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) if /home was already on a device which you know the name of, then yes
[11:29] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: I have two hard drives.  /home is on its own hard drive.  Everything else is on another
[11:29] <Chibi> ddepiano- Simply delete everything except the files you want to keep, and install ubuntu without formatting your disk.
[11:30] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: well then, it'll be easy
[11:30] <ogra> ddepiano: you can select it and tell it not to touch the data in the partitioning tool
[11:31] <ddepiano> Awesome, and I assume I should add those user names that correspond to the /home user space post install correct?
[11:32] <ogra> ddepiano: you wil only be asked to add one user.....if mandrake uses the same uid (1000) it will work flawless....
[11:32] <ddepiano> I think the id from mandrake is 500
[11:33] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, you can do chown -R user.group /home/user
[11:33] (mjr/#ubuntu) no biggie
[11:33] <ogra> hmm, then you should do a chown $USER /home/$USER in the console before you first login
[11:33] <ddepiano> mjr: thanks, that should solve my problem.
[11:33] <ogra> oh, mjr is right -R
[11:33] <ddepiano> Thanks guys, I'm very impressed with this distro.
[11:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) so are we :)
[11:34] <ogra> hehe
[11:34] <ddepiano> apt-get is great :-)
[11:35] <ogra> synaptic too :)
[11:35] <mass> aptitude :)
[11:35] <JStrike> Dunno. Doesn't seem all that different to apt4rpm, rcd or  yum. Except synaptic is worse than Red-Carpet
[11:36] <JStrike> Hey mass
[11:36] <mass> heya!
[11:36] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) JStrike: I've used apt with rpms extensively and I can assure you it's not all it's cracked up to be :)
[11:38] <JStrike> I never has any problems, but that is not to say there aren't there
[11:38] <JStrike> :-)
[11:38] <ddepiano> Mandrake's urpmi isn't bad, but some of the dependencies just seem crazy
[11:39] <mass> :O
[11:39] <mass> >:(
[11:39] <JStrike> And once Red Carpet is ported, there will finally be a nice interface for Ubuntu package management
[11:39] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) part of the problem is inherent to rpm
[11:39] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) the fact that you can depend on files
[11:39] <JStrike> Although, even that doesn't come close to Click 'n Run
[11:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it means that it has to maintain and load a database of EVERY file installed in the system
[11:40] <mroth> anyone know how I should go about checking this machine that warty absolutely refuses to boot on a fresh install?
[11:40] <mass> oh, I have a request :)
[11:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mroth: what is the error
[11:40] <mroth> HrdwrBoB: it doesnt give one.  it just freezes when loading the kernel
[11:40] <mass> I had a great deal of trouble fixing mdadm/mdrun without a text editor :)
[11:41] <ramzez> hmm, what is hotplug used for?
[11:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mroth: have you tried without acpi
[11:41] <mass> ramzez: warming plugs in colder months
[11:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) at what stage does it freeze
[11:41] <JStrike> mass : Ouch
[11:41] <ramzez> :-)
[11:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ramzez: loading drivers for devices
[11:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) when you plug in a USB key - hotplug does the work
[11:42] <ramzez> just it fails loading module pcehp.ko and shpchp.ko
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) some devices are also detected by hotplug every boot
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ramzez: that's standard
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you can either ignore it
[11:42] <mroth> HrdwrBoB: I will now, but this machine was running with debian sarge fine with ACPI, so i dunno what changed
[11:42] <ogra> ramzez:  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) or put those in /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mroth: what kernel though?
[11:42] <mroth> 2.6.5
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yeah
[11:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) might be changed from then to now
[11:43] <mroth> major acpi changes since then? hrm
[11:43] <ramzez> oh i c, can i bother you with some more stupid questions?
[11:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) try it without acpi anyway
[11:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) there are no stupid questions ;)
[11:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) go ahead though
[11:44] <mroth> just adding acpi=off to kernel argument in grub shoudl be sufficient i imagine?
[11:44] <ramzez> what are this pciehp and shpchp are, cause i wonder if i need them at all for my old hp omnibook laptop
[11:44] <ogra> ramzez:  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors
[11:44] <ogra> ramzez:  read this url :)
[11:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ramzez: they are fot stuff that you don't have
[11:45] <ramzez> ok
[11:45] <mroth> intersting.. it seems to be booting with ACPI disabled, but it gave some nasty PNPBIOS error about it
[11:45] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mroth: working with nasty errors > not working with no errors :)
[11:46] <ogra> hehe
[11:46] <ramzez> the other problem i have is when i mount ntfs volume i can't read it, it says no permission, i tried to add disk group for my username but no success
[11:46] <aigarius> ramzez: try adding 'nolapic' option to the kernel - that might help AND leave you with working ACPI
[11:46] <ogra> ramzez: addet it to fastab ?
[11:46] <ogra> fstab
[11:46] <ramzez> not yet, was doint it prefixing sudo
[11:47] <ogra> ramzez: mount it with -o rw,umask=000
[11:47] <aigarius> ramzez: you can specify mount options to NTFS so that when it is mounted all files would apear as owned by some user uid=myusername
[11:47] <ogra> ohm rw wont help
[11:47] <mass> yay, 2.6.10-rc2 :)
[11:48] <mass> and now my main drive works
[11:48] <ramzez> cheers
[11:49] <ramzez> currently i am trying to install wireless driver for my card, and i was reading step by step guide, is it correct that i need to build kernel before i can compile drivers?
[11:49] <s0cks> The ubuntu site needs 'updating'
[11:49] <ogra> s0cks: ??
[11:49] <ogra> ramzez: compile ???
[11:49] <ramzez> install i mean
[11:49] <ogra> ramzez: normally there is no need to compile anything in ubuntu
[11:50] <s0cks> ogra : Still says join us at the convention
[11:50] <s0cks> It ended 3 days ago.
[11:50] <ogra> ramzez: what kind of card
[11:50] <mass> s0cks: maybe next year?
[11:50] <ramzez> wpc54g
[11:50] <ramzez> linksys
[11:50] <ogra> s0cks: wrong, it starts on 05,12
[11:50] <s0cks> mass : naw?
[11:50] <ramzez> i was reading this page http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[11:50] <s0cks> ogra : I am so confused
[11:51] <ogra> ramzez: do you know the driver you need ?
[11:51] <ramzez> and this one http://tiefighter.et.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/
[11:51] <ramzez> yep, it looks it was done before, but i never used linux before so i know only teoretical approach
[11:51] <mroth> well, i'll have to mess with the ACPI stuff more later, going to let it download stuff first
[11:51] <s0cks> ogra : Are you goin?
[11:52] <ogra> ramzez: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[11:52] <ogra> s0cks:  sure
[11:52] <ogra> s0cks: i want to meet my heros !!
[11:52] <s0cks> ogra : prove it :)
[11:53] <ogra> s0cks: look at the conferenceatendees site :)
[11:54] <s0cks> It doesn't say ogra
[11:54] <s0cks> And they converted it to text format since I last looked.
[11:54] <ramzez> orga: oh that's like 123, damn and i am builing the kernel for 4 hours now
[11:55] <ogra> s0cks: O liver GRA wert
[11:55] <ramzez> should have been put search not on wpc54g in forums but for ndiswrapper
[11:55] <ramzez> but i guess it always hard first time
[11:56] <s0cks> ogra : SWEET! If I didn't live in the US and it didn't cost serveral grand and I didn't have to miss school, I would probably go, even though I am new
[11:56] <s0cks> It might help me learn.
[11:56] <s0cks> Also, my laptop is flat out a Powerbook 150
[11:56] <ogra> ramzez: also ignore what the site says about the kernel... its from a prerelease.....the kernel now is up to date
[11:56] <s0cks> With not enough HD space to run Ubuntu