[12:01] <screamz> how can I remove the old firefox , because the newest is installed but only the old one shows in menu
[12:01] <nickrud> Cine, /usr/bin/gst-register0.8, it cleans up gstreamer
[12:01] <Cine> ah, thanks nick
[12:02] <Sionide> screamz do a search in synaptic for mozilla
[12:02] <stevenj> nickrud any idea on how to stream movies with totem-gstreamer?
[12:02] <screamz> old one is executed by firefox and the new one by mozilla-firefox
[12:02] <Cine> hmm... command not found
[12:02] <nickrud> stevenj, no, i use totem-xine right now
[12:02] <Sionide> they'll probably have 2 different entries in synaptic
[12:02] <Sionide> so you'll just have to "completely remove" the older one
[12:02] <screamz> I believe I custom build it a long time ago
[12:03] <Razor-X> where could I get a real small motherboard?
[12:03] <screamz> k, i ll search in synaptics
[12:03] <tahorg> Razor-X: pc-104 ?
[12:03] <vicks> hi everybody!
[12:03] <Razor-X> tahorg: lemme see
[12:03] <tahorg> http://www.pc104.org/
[12:04] <screamz> nope, I can only find the new firefox
[12:05] <screamz> I ll just replace the icons and keep it a little bit bloated :D
[12:06] <tahorg> Razor-X: http://www.diamondsystems.com/ for example
[12:06] <tahorg> Razor-X: really small
[12:06] <Razor-X> oooh, nice
[12:06] <nickrud> Cine, sorry a typo, it's gst-register-0.8
[12:07] <Cine> lol, thanks nick
[12:07] <vicks> one of my disks is running kubuntu. now i want to remove this and install ubuntu. the other (priamary) disk is running xp and grub. do need to reconfigure grub in any way, or does the ubuntu-installer take care of this?
[12:08] <Razor-X> that's _just_ what I need
[12:08] <Razor-X> a 1.7" x 1.7"
[12:08] <Cine> thanks nick, fixed it right up
[12:08] <lotusleaf> vicks, why not just download gnome from within kubuntu? I'm downloading kde from within ubuntu
[12:08] <nmorse> vicks: why do you want to uninstall kubuntu, only to replace it with Ubuntu?
[12:09] <vicks> lotusleaf: yeah i have done this, its choas on my desktop and i don't have the enrgy to fix it =)
[12:09] <lotusleaf> vicks, it's chaos?
[12:09] <tahorg> Razor-X: when you need smth, ask a professional
[12:09] <tahorg> :)
[12:09] <vicks> it's looks like like kde and gde wen't into the bedroom and produced a bastard of some kind
[12:10] <vicks> gnome dekstop, but kde icons, fonts etc etc
[12:10] <lotusleaf> vicks, shouldn't be any problem using one or the other if both installed
[12:10] <lotusleaf> vicks, those are configurable
[12:10] <sbcl3> how do i mount /dev/sda3 to my /home/sbcl3 without any damages? i put in 'mount /dev/sda3 /home/sbcl3' and everything went away, and i had to restart
[12:10] <sbcl3> is it possible?
[12:10] <Razor-X> back
[12:11] <cspan> hey, i just installed hoary ppc
 how do i mount /dev/sda3 to my /home/sbcl3 without any damages? i put in 'mount /dev/sda3 /home/sbcl3' and everything went away, and i had to restart
[12:12] <cspan> and when i try to launch the update manager
[12:12] <cspan> it doesn't work
[12:12] <vicks> lotusleaf: the thing is the disk on which kubuntu is installed is a linux-testing-are anyway, so it's not very much labor to reinstall it. So: will grub run inte problem if i do a fresh install?
[12:12] <cspan> it asks me for my password
[12:12] <cspan> and when i write it
[12:13] <cspan> it says the child process exited with status 1
[12:13] <lotusleaf> vicks, dunno I've never used kubuntu
[12:13] <screamz> hmz, sorry for the stupid questions, but I just removed all mozilla stuff with synaptic and apt-get mozilla-firefox asks for the cd
[12:13] <dataw0lf|w> cspan: you sure caps lock isn't on? you have the right password for your user ?
[12:13] <screamz> do I need to change something in my apt configuration?
[12:14] <cspan> dataw0lf, caps lock is not on (OTHERWISE I'D BE WRITING LIKE THIS hehehe)
[12:14] <we2by> any one has the movie on their pc allready?
[12:14] <cspan> and of course i've got the password, that's how i logged in
[12:15] <cspan> i tried with the root password too
[12:15] <cspan> but didn't work either
[12:15] <goldfish_> yo hybrid_goth
[12:16] <hybrid_goth> hey
[12:16] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: how is it goin
[12:16] <topyli> screamz: in /etc/apt/sources.list, remove the lines referring to the CD if you don't want to use it
[12:16] <topyli> screamz: if you think you'll want to use it in the future, comment them out with a #
[12:16] <screamz> topyli: there are no lines refering to the cd in my sources.list I just checked
[12:17] <topyli> hrm
[12:17] <goldfish> screamz: you sure? one of the first lines has it
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> topyli: i thot you were screaming b/c of the screamz
[12:17] <topyli> heh, i never scream :)
[12:17] <cspan> nobody has an idea about my non-working password?
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> topyli: you sound like my english teacher
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> cspan: was up?
[12:18] <topyli> hybrid_goth: he's a liar too? =)
[12:18] <screamz> goldfish: if access to my cd drive can be granted by http or ftp it s still in my sources.list
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> topyli: heh no she is a royal Bit- well you know
[12:19] <SymGeosis> It's annoying. I'd like to be able to download my extensions, dangit.
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> cspan: was up with your pass?
[12:19] <Sionide> screamz, do you not have a cd?
[12:19] <screamz> I do
[12:19] <screamz> but I refuse
[12:19] <screamz> I want fresh packages :)
[12:20] <cspan> when i try to open the update manager, or any other similar application that requires admin privileges, hybrid_goth, it asks for my password and when i write it says child process exited with status 1
[12:20] <screamz> I don t want the 0.9.bleh
[12:20] <topyli> screamz: i don't know. could it be synaptic has its own ideas... check the repositories in the synaptic settings
[12:20] <IFRFLYR> Anyone good with rsync?
[12:20] <screamz> I ll try to install with synaptics then
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> cspan: hmm
[12:21] <topyli> screamz: anyway, apt/synaptic should get the latest packages, be it on CD or the Net.
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> cspan: hoary?
[12:21] <cspan> also, sound works funny: it pops really loud when it starts playing and then is veeeery soft
[12:21] <cspan> yeah, hoary
[12:21] <nobile> I get the same problem as cspan when I am trying to update from my parents account
[12:21] <cspan> on ppc
[12:21] <George__> hi
[12:21] <George__> i needa some help
[12:21] <nobile> I just move to mine and it works =P
[12:21] <cspan> the sound issue could be platform-specific
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> cspan: heh on ppc to. on the sound try esd
[12:22] <screamz> topyli: I want it to work without apt naging about the cd :p
[12:22] <cspan> i'm using esd, hybrid_goth !
[12:22] <cspan> it comes by default
[12:22] <cspan> doesn't it?
[12:22] <nobile> george__ ask your question =)
[12:22] <topyli> screamz: i bet it's annoying. dunno what's wrong though :(
[12:22] <George__> i got cedega, and install cs source. I wanna know how to remove the black screens when i play and make it full screen, i also dont have any sound, i also can't read the font. Anyone got a solution?
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> cspan: not always
[12:23] <goldfish> George__: try #cedega or look at the transgaming forums
[12:23] <cspan> well, it is esd
[12:23] <cspan> and it's working funny
[12:23] <George__> i didn't buy :(
[12:23] <goldfish> George__: well look at the forums
[12:23] <goldfish> there is loads about cs and cs:source on them
[12:23] <George__> I cant ? or can i
[12:23] <goldfish> George__: also try ubuntu forums
[12:23] <goldfish> u can
[12:23] <George__> i am
[12:23] <goldfish> ok
[12:24] <cspan> anyway, my problem number one is the password issue
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> cspan: what are you playin it with
[12:24] <computerguy867> hello, everyone, can someone help me with a really odd totem error
[12:24] <slept> screamz, comment the line ins /etc/apt/sources.list if you don't want to use the cd, then do apt-get update
[12:24] <cspan> hybrid_goth, with the cd player
[12:24] <cspan> it's a cd
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> cspan: try compilin oh nvm
[12:24] <cspan> but the system sounds also sound with a loud pop and then silence
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> umm the pass
[12:25] <thingfish> computerguy867: the best thing to do is just state in detail what's happening, what error message you get, etc., and then if someone knows how to help they'll speak up.
[12:25] <cspan> compiling what?
[12:25] <cspan> hybrid_goth, compiling what?
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> cspan: i was going to say mplayer but you got to sudo make install
[12:25] <George__> how do i get to cedega forum
[12:25] <cspan> well
[12:25] <screamz> slept: can you paste the line in sources.list that involves checking cd as source?
[12:25] <screamz> it seems I can t find it
[12:25] <cspan> the thing is, hybrid_goth, i can su!!
[12:26] <computerguy867> well, I have been using totem for a while with no problem and out of nowhere it gives me an error with playing video files that it could always play.  It gives an error:Video codec 'XviD format' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[12:26] <hybrid_goth> cspan: well what programs could you not get to run?
[12:26] <cspan> oooook, hybrid_goth, i know what the problem is
[12:26] <computerguy867> or also: Video codec 'Windows Media Video 9' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[12:26] <cspan> my user is not in the sudoers file
[12:27] <cspan> where's that file?
[12:27] <hybrid_goth> cspan: yea that may effect it :P
[12:27] <hybrid_goth> locate sudoer
[12:27] <slept> screamz,  I don't have that line but you can figure it out easy - should be one of the first lines
[12:27] <computerguy867> the problem is that I have those codecs
[12:28] <computerguy867> it has always played those files
[12:28] <screamz> slept: I only have lines with http or ftp so that shouldn t prompt apt to look for the cd doesn t it?
[12:28] <TestDummy> How do I install Nvu? I don't see it in Synaptic and apt-get itself doesn't see anything, and the file on their site doesn't work, source won't compile right either
[12:28] <slept> cspan, visudo /etc/sudoers
[12:28] <screamz> After unpacking 27.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:28] <screamz> Media Change: Please insert the disc labelled
[12:28] <screamz>  'Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)'
[12:28] <screamz> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[12:28] <nobile> testdummy, google the dl
[12:29] <nobile> or, wait, I'll get you the link
[12:29] <TestDummy> =|
[12:29] <TestDummy> I know where to get it
[12:29] <TestDummy> But that doesn't work
[12:29] <slept> screamz, look for Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)'
[12:29] <TestDummy> Isn't it on apt?
[12:29] <computerguy867> darn, Im so stumped
[12:29] <nobile> no, it's a bit more complicated =P
[12:29] <cspan> ok
[12:29] <cspan> that's working!!
[12:29] <cspan> now the sound :(
[12:29] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:30] <thingfish> computerguy867: yeah, me too.  Are your plugins the latest versions?
[12:30] <hybrid_goth> cspan: i didnt have much multimedia untill i d/l the mplayer src and compiled
[12:30] <computerguy867> yea
[12:30] <topyli> screamz: here's a sources.list that used to work for me on warty: http://siltala.net/comp/warty-sources.list
[12:30] <cspan> do i need to compile it???
[12:30] <thingfish> real player 10 handles multimedia fine.
[12:30] <cspan> why cant i just apt-get it?
[12:30] <computerguy867> is there any way to refresh the player so it knows what plugins it has
[12:31] <cspan> btw, hybrid_goth, what kind of ppc are you on?
[12:31] <keffo> anyone knows if the gDesklets-icon in the "tray" is hideable?
[12:31] <screamz> topyli: got it, thnx
[12:31] <screamz> but, After unpacking 27.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:31] <screamz> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main mozilla-firefox 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 [9568kB]
[12:31] <screamz> it s installing a <1 version of firefox now?
[12:31] <topyli> screamz: that's what warty has
[12:31] <thingfish> computerguy867: has there been a recent round of updates you've maybe done?
[12:32] <hybrid_goth> cspan: ibook g3
[12:32] <computerguy867> not related to media
[12:32] <nobile> testdummy:   http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nvu/nvu_0.99+1.0pre-1_i386.deb
[12:32] <computerguy867> just bzip and a few others that i cant remember
[12:32] <thingfish> computerguy867: like what though.
[12:32] <TestDummy> I don't know how to use DEB's..
[12:32] <screamz> so I should update my sources list to hoary?
[12:32] <thingfish> oh, just the ones in the update manager
[12:32] <TestDummy> I remember using RPM's when I used Suse, that was pure hell..
[12:32] <nobile> hmm
[12:32] <TestDummy> How do I work with that?
[12:32] <thingfish> TestDummy: man dpkg
[12:32] <nobile> hehe
[12:33] <hybrid_goth> TestDummy: dpkg -i
[12:33] <Sionide> can anyone point me in the direction of how to set up a machine to dual-boot ?
[12:33] <paulproteus> Sionide: To dual boot Windows and Ubuntu?
[12:33] <TestDummy> dpkg -i then...
[12:33] <lotusleaf> TestDummy, check the debian documentation for some good info
[12:33] <topyli> screamz: you could upgrade the whole system
[12:33] <cspan> hybrid_goth, i'm guessing it is alsa and oss
[12:33] <Sionide> yeah, ubuntu being primary OS with a small (tiny!) windows 2k as well
[12:33] <screamz> topyli: seems like a good idea :)
[12:33] <hybrid_goth> cspan: i have alsa and esd idk about oss
[12:33] <Razor-X> -_-
[12:33] <topyli> screamz: if you got the bandwith :)
[12:33] <Razor-X> this is expensive.....
[12:33] <computerguy867> thingfish: It still doesnt work even after completely removing and reinstalling totem
[12:33] <egg|broken> _-
[12:34] <TestDummy> nobile: I guess I'll try that, can't right now though
[12:34] <TestDummy> Thanks.
[12:34] <paulproteus> Sionide: If you just install Ubuntu after you have already installed Windows, then Ubuntu will handle dual boot for you.
[12:34] <cspan> hybrid_goth, do you have the alsa-oss emulation whatever?
[12:34] <screamz> I can I do this by just replacing warty with hoary in my sources.list?
[12:34] <thingfish> computerguy867: did you try reinstalling the plugins?
[12:34] <nobile> no problem, I am glad I could help ^^
[12:34] <abood> guys, i have mounted 2 windows partions c: and d:, the only C; drive was mounted in ubuntu the NTFS one, the another didnt mounted, it was working but now it gives me this msg when i write mount -a
[12:34] <abood> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /media/D: busy
[12:34] <abood> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is mounted on /media/C:
[12:34] <Sionide> paulproteus, ok is it that easy? i'll give it a shot tomorrow, install the windows one first you say, then ubuntu...
[12:34] <topyli> screamz: hold on, i'll post another link :)
[12:34] <paulproteus> Sionide: Yes.
[12:34] <paulproteus> Sionide: Actually...
[12:35] <abood> any idea all :)
[12:35] <computerguy867> thingfish: I reinstalled win32codecs and libxvidcore4
[12:35] <Sionide> any links though?
[12:35] <paulproteus> Sionide: With partitions it can be a little confusing.
[12:35] <paulproteus> Sionide: Let me see, hold on a sec.
[12:35] <topyli> screamz: http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list
[12:35] <Sionide> thanks
[12:35] <screamz> topyli: thnx
[12:35] <thingfish> computerguy867: beats me...
[12:35] <hybrid_goth> cspan: no not unless it came with hoary/breezy
[12:36] <topyli> screamz: beware, not everything there is completely stable :)
[12:36] <screamz> I believe I ll have to do a distupgrade?
[12:36] <computerguy867> thingfish: ok, thanks though
[12:36] <computerguy867> :( I miss totem
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> cspan: i havent done much with the sound since i compiled mplayer and it worked since then i have been workin in the comman line interface
[12:36] <topyli> screamz: yeah, upgrade first, dist-upgrade then (maybe even twice if things get hairy)
[12:36] <paulproteus> Sionide: I don't seen anything on the wiki, so here is my advice.
[12:37] <screamz> k
[12:37] <screamz> thnx
[12:37] <paulproteus> Sionide: Is this a blank hard drive?
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> brb
[12:37] <Sionide> yep
[12:37] <Sionide> laptop is coming tomorrow, brand new, no OS pre-installed :)
[12:37] <Sionide> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo  <-- is a little confusing ... heh
[12:37] <thingfish> man, I gotta give it to ubuntu, it's not half bad.
[12:38] <Sionide> gah i gotta shoot
[12:38] <paulproteus> Sionide: That page is a total mess.
[12:38] <Sionide> i'll give it a go tomorrow
[12:38] <paulproteus> Sionide: Okay.  Just install Windows normally first, and then the Ubuntu Installer should help you shrink that partition as necessary to create room for Linux.
[12:38] <paulproteus> Sionide: It should be that easy.
[12:38] <leitao> what is the name of the next ubuntu version?
[12:38] <thingfish> there shouldn't be a whole lot to dual booting, especially if windows is already installed.
[12:38] <count0nz> leitao, breezy
[12:39] <goldfish> yeah it pretty straightforward
[12:39] <leitao> count0nz ! thx
[12:39] <goldfish> i did it
[12:39] <screamz> topyli: do I have to comment the warty sources or are they needed for some old packages or whatsoever?
[12:39] <agent> evolution crashes with error: 'camel-WARNING **: Invalid root: <some path>/Sent.ibex.index' --- the famous ibex error... HELP!
[12:39] <count0nz> Breezy Ready to be distupgraded yet? right now it tends to brake X and X apps
[12:39] <hDy> hey guys, I'm try to install ubuntu 5.04 and it keeps freezing at 79% when installing the kernel.. any suggestions?
[12:39] <thingfish> so where do the ubuntu names come from?  I mean, in debian, they're all from Toy Story.
[12:40] <cspan> hybrid_goth, it works now, essentialy it was something about someone not behaving properly
[12:40] <thingfish> Some CGI cartoon I've missed, no doubt.
[12:40] <stevenj> If I use totem-xine + mozplugger, should keep all the gstreamer plugins installed?
[12:41] <cspan> i set gnome to talk directly with alsa and everything works
[12:41] <resiak> thingfish: They're animals. :p
[12:41] <danko123456> resiak: lol...
[12:41] <screamz> 217MB :')
[12:41] <danko123456> hdy, perhaps it got downlloaded or burned wrong.
[12:41] <thingfish> resiak: yes, but animals with cutesy names.  Teletubbies maybe?
[12:42] <topyli> screamz: nah, just lose the warty stuff
[12:42] <danko123456> for a windows dual boot, the installl cd wont help you shrink partitions, where did you ghet that dfrom?
[12:42] <egg|broken> ?
[12:42] <resiak> thingfish: *shrug* Hoary's allegedly an African word, so I doubt it. But I think that someone just has a sense of humour.
[12:42] <danko123456> like the south park anmimals:)
[12:42] <hybrid_goth> man the breezy upgrades are *fast*
[12:42] <lotusleaf> I like the naming scheme
[12:42] <thingfish> resiak: I was kind of thinking that.
[12:43] <egg|broken> stupid
[12:43] <hybrid_goth> lotusleaf: i like breezy badger thats awesome
[12:43] <thingfish> someone with a taste for alliteration.
[12:43] <danko123456> whats up, Egg?
[12:43] <stevenj> is anyone using totem-xine+mozplugger in here?
[12:44] <topyli> hybrid_goth: i liked installing woody in the olden times :)
[12:44] <hDy> I've burned it twice, is there a crc check or something I can do on it?
[12:44] <hybrid_goth> topyli: why?
[12:44] <andreas__> anybody whit wine here
[12:44] <danko123456> yes, check out something called md5 checksum, there is an entry about it in the http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:44] <hybrid_goth> topyli: this was just an apt -upgrade put it was faster then i have ever seen. guess noone is using breezy ppc repos
[12:45] <hybrid_goth> i mean the ppc side is small brezzy is smaller and both is smallest
[12:45] <danko123456> hDy: but, that shows how to check it in Ubuntu, so I am not sure what you can do in windows.
[12:45] <^^Superkidd2005^> hey guys...
[12:45] <andreas__>  hi i have som problem whit configuring wine for ubuntu 4.10
[12:45] <^^Superkidd2005^> how can i use the live cd of UBUNTU....
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> ^^Superkidd2005^: is your bios set to boot of cdrom
[12:46] <^^Superkidd2005^> yest it is..
[12:46] <lotusleaf> andreas__, #winehq
[12:46] <^^Superkidd2005^> it's already run...
[12:46] <^^Superkidd2005^> but when im clicking one of the icon in the desktop... nothing seems to be happen...
[12:46] <^^Superkidd2005^> is there wrong with the LIVE CD....
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> ^^Superkidd2005^: oh how can you. well dont install anything it may mess up the windows side
[12:47] <^^Superkidd2005^> yeah i know...
[12:47] <^^Superkidd2005^> but im clicking the icons... nothings happening...
[12:47] <^^Superkidd2005^> even the firefox browser...
[12:47] <danko123456> its supposed to work, superkid...
[12:48] <^^Superkidd2005^> i think theres a problem with the cd... is that right...
[12:48] <hybrid_goth> or your input
[12:48] <^^Superkidd2005^> what input...
[12:48] <danko123456> it does work, as far as I know...
[12:48] <hybrid_goth> mouse?
[12:48] <danko123456> nothing at all works?
[12:48] <^^Superkidd2005^> how about the keyboard....
[12:48] <count0nz> Tell me if your dist-upgrade works :) i wana upgrade to badger but reading on forum's that some of gnome is not working
[12:48] <^^Superkidd2005^> is there problem with that...
[12:48] <after-9-coronas> hello, i have a question about wireless internet
[12:49] <hybrid_goth> no your mouse may not be working or it could be the cd
[12:49] <^^Superkidd2005^> im using a WIRELESS MOUSE AND KEYBOARD....
[12:49] <danko123456> why would you upgrade, do you have a reason?
[12:49] <danko123456> superkid, yeah,. try a normal one..
[12:49] <danko123456> you can move the cursor about the screen?
[12:49] <^^Superkidd2005^> is there any problem using a wireless mouse and keyboard...
[12:49] <^^Superkidd2005^> yes i can move it...
[12:49] <hybrid_goth> not afaik
[12:50] <anto9us> ^^Superkidd2005^: try pairing them with the receiver again
[12:50] <^^Superkidd2005^> it's moving all around the desktop...
[12:50] <danko123456> #topic: Ubuntu Help | Have a question? Just ask!
[12:50] <^^Superkidd2005^> im trying to use the ENTER but nothing also seems to be happening....
[12:50] <after-9-coronas> okay, i have wireless internet, and im not sure how to install in on ubuntu, i have a CD with the drivers but its only for windows.....
[12:50] <danko123456> can you open a terminal?
[12:50] <danko123456> can you dfo anything at all?
[12:51] <danko123456> can you work in a terminal through alt+ctrl+f1...
[12:51] <^^Superkidd2005^> im using the UBUNTU 5.04
[12:51] <saber_> can anyone here access: http://adblock.mozdev.org/      ?
[12:51] <saber_> i'm getting an error
[12:51] <^^Superkidd2005^> is there any problem with that LIVE CD...
[12:51] <iDennis> oops
[12:51] <lotusleaf> saber_, why bother with adblock? just use the mvps hosts file
[12:51] <anto9us> after-9-coronas: some wifi cards will work on linux natively, some require a bit of magic called ndiswrapper which uses the windows driver
[12:51] <redtech> is spamassassin the best to use with Evolution ?
[12:52] <saber_> lotusleaf: i'm not sure what mvps is... let me go find out about it
[12:52] <grobis> nochange to get in http://adblock.mozdev.org/
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> redtech: get a gmail account they have nice spam controll
[12:52] <lotusleaf> saber_, google for it, or find it here: probably under security/misc: http://lotusleaf.nermal.net/linux.html
[12:53] <danko123456> after-9-coronas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards , then http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[12:53] <saber_> cool i'm looking
[12:53] <iDennis> i'm loving ubuntuguide.org
[12:53] <danko123456> after-9-coronas: whats the card?
[12:53] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:54] <danko123456> bah, go get a life?
[12:54] <turkeyonmyface> hi guys,i am new to this makarky.I have just installed ubuntu and selected the wrong x driver, the video driver thing in the base setup program
[12:54] <turkeyonmyface> how can i run this again and select a new one?
[12:54] <anoop> does anyone have any experience getting an external display working with a thinkpad?
[12:54] <danko123456> let me ask you this, how did you come up with that nick?
[12:54] <saber_> lotusleaf, you've got a good collection of links. i'm going go bookmark your site
[12:55] <lotusleaf> saber_, glad I could help, did you find the mvps hosts file?
[12:55] <turkeyonmyface> i like turkey
[12:55] <saber_> yeah
[12:55] <turkeyonmyface> any ideas on the old video driver thing?
[12:55] <lotusleaf> saber_, when you paste it into your /etc/hosts file be sure to remove the duplicate localhost entry
[12:56] <saber_> i'll be sure to do that, thanks
[12:56] <after-9-coronas> um
[12:56] <lotusleaf> saber_, yw, enjoy ad free surfing :)
[12:56] <after-9-coronas> well im on windows right now do you know anywhere i can check on here
[12:57] <danko123456> for what, after-9-coronas? tell me the brand and model of the card...
[12:57] <after-9-coronas> okay hold on
[12:57] <abood> guys, is there any idea why when i play an *.MPG movie with xine or totem there r no sound and when i play *.avi there is( i think its proplem from codecs or something but i have no experince with it) any help ?
[12:57] <after-9-coronas> Linksys Wireless-G model # WMP54G
[12:58] <count0nz> so you said your tired right ?
[12:58] <hybrid_goth> back
[12:58] <count0nz> argg
[12:58] <danko123456> screwed, after-9-coronas:-p
[12:58] <egg|broken> my xine is happy with mpg,avi...
[12:58] <anto9us> turkeyonmyface: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:58] <after-9-coronas> what
[12:58] <kro> Can you do fully automated debian installer installations with VMWare?
[12:58] <danko123456> abood: make sure you have this worked out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats .
[12:58] <danko123456> after-9-coronas: no support, if I remember right.
[12:59] <danko123456> just a sec.
[12:59] <turkeyonmyface> any one know what x viedo driver i should select when installing ubuntu, i have a geforce mx4000 ? ? ?
[12:59] <after-9-coronas> k
[12:59] <anto9us> turkeyonmyface: I'm not absolutely sure but I think it's nvidea
[01:00] <thingfish> turkeyonmyface: I think you want the nv driver.
[01:00] <egg|broken> mx4000 = crap
[01:00] <danko123456> after-9-coronas: read this page: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/53.html .
[01:00] <abood> danko123456, i will, i already downloaded the gstream
[01:00] <danko123456> abood, well, thats what you can do for now, later on ask crimsun_ if he can double check if your sound is setup correctly.
[01:01] <danko123456> I have a similar issue right now, but, I dont watch movies for sound;)
[01:01] <redtech> hybrid_g1th: thanks for your repsonse, but I run a business and would much rather use my own email accounts.
[01:01] <after-9-coronas> danko123456: so what do i do?, lol
[01:02] <abood> ok thx
[01:02] <danko123456> after-9-coronas: read this page: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/28.html .
[01:03] <after-9-coronas> im there
[01:03] <danko123456> read it, unless you seriously had 9 coronas, and if you did, then bookmark it and read tomorrow..
[01:04] <after-9-coronas> how do i know if my card is Atheros-based?
[01:04] <after-9-coronas> lol
[01:05] <after-9-coronas> <--newbie
[01:05] <karljp> isn't dpkg -P meant to get rid of all config as well?
[01:05] <danko123456> it talks about your exact model.
[01:05] <danko123456> karl, wouldnt man give you a more exact answer?
[01:05] <danko123456> how you doin', btw?
[01:05] <after-9-coronas> ohhhhhhh
[01:06] <after-9-coronas> i need to use the linuxant drivers
[01:06] <karljp> danko: it might.
[01:06] <danko123456> they are non-free.
[01:06] <turkeyonmyface> when setting up a dual boot between linux and xp which is best to install first?
[01:06] <after-9-coronas> their not free?
[01:06] <after-9-coronas> XP
[01:06] <danko123456> exactly.
[01:06] <karljp> more to the point, if I rm /etc/apache2, why doesn't reinstalling apache2 bring me the defaults again?
[01:06] <after-9-coronas> damnit i need a free driver
[01:06] <thingfish> turkeyonmyface: windows first, then linux.
[01:06] <andrew_> remove the ~/. folder
[01:06] <danko123456> sol...
[01:07] <danko123456> andrew_: for apache:)?
[01:07] <andrew_> you can't?
[01:07] <andrew_> they don't have a . folder for settings?
[01:07] <danko123456> is there a .apache in your ~?
[01:07] <andrew_> I don't run apache, so I'm not sure; I just assumed so
[01:07] <bluefoxicy> aoeui
[01:07] <danko123456> its a server...not rally.
[01:07] <nobile> aoeui
[01:08] <danko123456> yo, thr1ce
[01:08] <Marble2> How do I enable administration tasks in the cups web interface?
[01:08] <thr1ce> hehe :)
[01:08] <lotusleaf> turkeyonmyface, first install ubuntu, then see you don't need windows, then smile.
[01:08] <thr1ce> internet is acting up
[01:08] <thr1ce> hm
[01:08] <danko123456> karl, what do you need at defaults?
[01:08] <danko123456> the conf file?
[01:09] <turkeyonmyface> will do - if i can get it to work, i keep gettin 'unable to start' gui thing as soon as i go to log in
[01:09] <after-9-coronas> so theres not a free driver for ubuntu?
[01:09] <danko123456> turkey, windows, but, I cant get that right neiother for some reason.
[01:09] <thr1ce> after-9-coronas, for what?
[01:09] <danko123456> is your disk full?
[01:09] <after-9-coronas> my linksys wmp54g wireless card
[01:09] <danko123456> stuffedturkeyface: is your hard disk full?
[01:09] <danko123456> lol
[01:10] <turkeyonmyface> no
[01:10] <count0nz> ohhhh i cee
[01:10] <danko123456> lmao
[01:10] <danko123456> karl?
[01:10] <thr1ce> i'm don't know, google probably does
[01:10] <danko123456> you want apache to be at defaults?
[01:10] <turkeyonmyface> i have bags of space, i think i am selecting the wrong video driver. but i don't know which one to select
[01:10] <danko123456> there is only 1 file for apache config, I dont know about apache2...:/
[01:11] <thr1ce> how is breezy running these days?
[01:11] <after-9-coronas> maybe ill change back to fedora
[01:11] <danko123456> and it did , thr1ce
[01:11] <tjs> Is there any work being done on making ubuntu work as a zen guest OS ?
[01:11] <thr1ce> :)
[01:11] <PacoBCN> Wow, ages away from this channel
[01:11] <danko123456> I gave him a link, there is only a non free...which kinda defeats its purpose...
[01:11] <karljp> danko: apache2 went and split httpd.conf into about 20 files and symlinks
[01:11] <tjs> I really need zen support in the ubuntu kernel
[01:11] <karljp> either way, I'm not getting anything back when I reinstall apache2
[01:11] <thr1ce> because you're not resetting your settings
[01:12] <thr1ce> there is NO .apache or anything?  that's strange; sorry, i've never used it :(
[01:12] <danko123456> karl, like...what?
[01:12] <danko123456> karl, what? Split into 20 files the conf file? What is your objective? reset and start apache2 again?
[01:12] <karljp> yes
[01:12] <danko123456> wow...and an install dont do it?
[01:13] <karljp> what I would have expected dpkg -P apache2 ;; sudo apt-get install apache2 would have done
[01:13] <karljp> and no, it didn't
[01:13] <karljp> like I said the first time?
[01:13] <thr1ce> what's with the, PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[01:13] <danko123456> just erase it...
[01:13] <thr1ce> I thought they just put out the first dev CD
[01:13] <danko123456> or remove through synaptic, apt or whatever, not dpkg??
[01:13] <karljp> so basically you have no clue?
[01:14] <Jormundgand> I'm trying to install and use xfce but it doesn't appear under Sessions. What should I do?
[01:15] <thr1ce> nickrud, who added the don't use breezy to the topic?
[01:15] <danko123456> ? about what? I told you, remove it...
[01:15] <thr1ce> me?
[01:15] <danko123456> Hey, um...:)
[01:15] <nickrud> thr1ce, I don't know, but it's because of c++, i hear
[01:15] <thr1ce> i'm curious...is it that bad at the moment?
[01:15] <danko123456> karl, I didnt explain it good?
[01:16] <Jormundgand> I thought it was Qt.
[01:16] <thr1ce> nickrud, aah; just curious, as they just put out the first dev CD
[01:16] <nickrud> thr1ce, I've been through several
[01:16] <thr1ce> nickrud, several....?
[01:16] <nickrud> 'transistions', and it's best to wait
[01:16] <nickrud> debian
[01:16] <thr1ce> ooh, gotcha
[01:16] <thr1ce> nickrud, damn, I was thinking of putting it on this computer
[01:17] <danko123456> karl, did you try, for example, apt-get remove apache2?
[01:17] <nickrud> thr1ce, your timing sucks, but it's just for fun ...
[01:17] <danko123456> with sudo...
[01:17] <karljp> so let me see, your instructs for resetting apache2 config to the defaults were...."I've never used apache2" "wow, install didn't do it" "use synaptic, not dpkg"
[01:17] <karljp> so no, I don't think you explained anything very well.
[01:17] <thr1ce> nickrud, how long do you think til they sort it out ?
[01:18] <dabaSlon_smks> karl, yea, just sudo apt-get remove apache2 , sorry, Im high, I thought it was clear....
[01:18] <karljp> right.
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> alright.
[01:18] <karljp> but that doesn't get rid of the config files
[01:19] <karljp> and if you remove them yourself, and install again, it doesn't create them either
[01:19] <dabaSlon_smks> So, your Apache does what wrong when you install it back?
[01:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, I just got back, but last night someone mentioned a couple of days.
[01:19] <karljp> if you're bent, go watch the carpet, don't try and give advice
[01:19] <Jet2k5> guys is there a way to help ubunut out?  Like besdies giving them donations
[01:19] <abood> guys how can i restart esd ?
[01:20] <Jet2k5> is there anything else that I can do to get involved?
[01:20] <thr1ce> killall esd
[01:20] <dabaSlon_smks> k, karl, go that...
[01:20] <neighborlee> where do I get kernel source ?..uname shows 2.6.10-5-386 yet closest match in synatpic is 2.6.10-34 ...????
[01:20] <thr1ce> it'll restart itself when it needs to :)
[01:20] <karljp> given that #apache and #svn can't work out what's wrong with my apache, I find it extremely unlikely that you, bent, and never having used apache2 would be able to help me with the actual apache problems.
[01:20] <thr1ce> search for "linux", you should be able to find it easily
[01:20] <thr1ce> nickrud, eeeeer...I GUESS :)
[01:20] <karljp> I just want to know how to reinstall apache2 with the defaults from scratch
[01:20] <abood> thr1ce, thx
[01:21] <abood> thr1ce, r u sure that it will restart it self ?
[01:21] <slept> karljp, dpkg -P  and install agian
[01:21] <karljp> yes, I did that
[01:22] <karljp> that's what I said at the very beginning
[01:22] <karljp> it kept the original config
[01:22] <karljp> and after rm'ing the apache2 directory (which contains nothing but config) it's not recreated on an install
[01:23] <slept> karljp, dpkg --get-selections |grep apache , dpkg -P these then you shouldn't have configs left
[01:24] <thr1ce> abood, yeah, when you go to start an app that needs it, it'll start
[01:24] <gusto5> hello everyone :)
[01:25] <karljp> slept: ok, so right now, I went over dpkg's head, and rm'd the configs,
[01:25] <thingfish> I like ubuntu too, but as soon as I can order me a set of sarge cds, that's what I'm going to run.
[01:25] <karljp> and I want to know why installing it won't give me a default config again
[01:25] <nickrud> karljp, are you using install --reinstall ?
[01:26] <lotusleaf> thingfish, different strokes for different folks ;)
[01:26] <thingfish> lotusleaf: amen to that.
[01:26] <slept> karljp, install again then purge
[01:26] <thr1ce> i don't understand debian at all
[01:26] <thr1ce> what is the latest (stable/unstable) ?
[01:27] <lotusleaf> thingfish, that is, until trusted(borg)computing locks down the hardware :)
[01:27] <japanlover> what is the lib so that i can play MP3s???
[01:27] <thr1ce> gstreamer
[01:27] <thr1ce> sad
[01:27] <thingfish> thr1ce: unstable is the latest, then testing, then stable.
[01:27] <karljp> apt-get install --reinstall apache2 still doesn't create an /etc/apache2
[01:27] <japanlover> gstreamer?
[01:27] <thr1ce> thingfish, sarge unstable, sid ?
[01:28] <thr1ce> I don't know what the latest is :(
[01:28] <thr1ce> lol
[01:28] <thingfish> thr1ce: woody=stable, sarge=testing, sid=unstable.
[01:28] <karljp> sarge is frozen and due to become a new stable "real soon now"
[01:28] <thr1ce> thingfish, and they are on sid right now?
[01:28] <thingfish> I know!
[01:29] <thr1ce> ooh, it is in sarge right now?
[01:29] <japanlover> what is the lib so that i can play MP3s???
[01:29] <thr1ce> how many CD's is it again?
[01:29] <thingfish> thr1ce: they are on all 3.
[01:29] <thr1ce> japanlover, as I said, gstreamer-sad
[01:29] <thingfish> thr1ce: I don't know.
[01:29] <japanlover> thr1ce: kk -sad gotcha thanks
[01:29] <thingfish> japanlover: gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:29] <thr1ce> thingfish, I thought I read like 10 somewhere
[01:29] <thingfish> it's a lot of them.
[01:29] <japanlover> thingfish thanks
[01:30] <thr1ce> that's rediculous
[01:30] <slept> karljp, removing and --reinstall keeeps config , you can see with dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall for what you have left a config
[01:30] <thingfish> np, japanlover.
[01:30] <turkeyonmyface> hi nice people who like helping other folk - I have just installed ubuntu and i have the same error again, unable to start graphic interface, problem with x server.     I have  tried 3 times so far with glide, vga, and lastly nv. I have a g-force mx 4000 made by nvidia. HELP
[01:30] <turkeyonmyface> what do i want as my x server
[01:30] <thingfish> japanlover: you'll have to enable universe in your sources.list.
[01:30] <turkeyonmyface> ?
[01:31] <japanlover> thingfish: yea i did that
[01:31] <karljp> slept, no by remove, I mean remove.  dpkg -P apache2, see that the config is still there, then rm -rf /etc/apache2
[01:31] <thingfish> turkeyonmyface: a geforce4 mx400 uses nv.
[01:31] <japanlover> thingfish, thanks again =)
[01:31] <thr1ce> updatedb, then locate apache
[01:31] <thr1ce> get rid of it all
[01:31] <turkeyonmyface> thingfish, how come it fails to start the graphic interface?
[01:31] <tarvid> trolling for vhcs support
[01:31] <slept> karljp, strange
[01:32] <thingfish> turkeyonmyface: it could be your monitor.
[01:32] <tarvid> any one have success?
[01:32] <nalioth> tonights the night, boys!
[01:32] <thr1ce> nalioth, for?
[01:32] <thingfish> turkeyonmyface: ubuntu could be not finding your monitor correctly.
[01:32] <turkeyonmyface> o ok
[01:33] <wobbler> mine either
[01:33] <nalioth> thr1ce: what for?
[01:33] <turkeyonmyface> i will try another monitor
[01:33] <thr1ce> nalioth, do tell!
[01:33] <nalioth> thr1ce: Revenge Of The Sith
[01:33] <thr1ce> nalioth, I watched it last night
[01:33] <slept> karljp, did you make sure you purged all apache things
[01:33] <thr1ce> :)
[01:33] <turkeyonmyface> i am tryin
[01:33] <nalioth> thr1ce: that's nice, i woulda watched it last week, but they didnt have any charity screenings near me
[01:33] <karljp> slept: yeah
[01:33] <thr1ce> nalioth, I work at a movie theater, so...
[01:33] <turkeyonmyface> how much space does ubuntu need to run smoothly?
[01:34] <karljp> nothing in dpkg --get-selections | grep dein for apache
[01:34] <nalioth> thr1ce: ah, the other loophole
[01:34] <thr1ce> nalioth, yup
[01:34] <thr1ce> nalioth, you'll love it
[01:34] <thingfish> turkeyonmyface: I'd say an average install is around 1.6G.
[01:34] <slept> karljp, dpkg --get-selections | grep   apache ?
[01:34] <nalioth> im so amped up about it
[01:34] <thr1ce> nalioth, I think it was my favorite, actually; it's very dark, and connects the stories perfectly
[01:34] <karljp> yeah, removing apache2-common now
[01:35] <karljp> this looks like it might do something a bit more useful
[01:35] <turkeyonmyface> thingfish: Thanks
[01:35] <thingfish> np turkeyonmyface.
[01:35] <nalioth> thr1ce: yes thank you. no more now, cuz we don't want to spoil the unspoiled ones
[01:35] <thingfish> turkeyonmyface: that's not allowing for swap.
[01:35] <thr1ce> nalioth, of course not (although you know everything that's going to happen anyways)
[01:36] <turkeyonmyface> 1 more thing - anyone know how to change the x server without reinstalling ubuntu from scratch?
[01:36] <nalioth> thr1ce: yes "I" know, cuz i chose to be 'spoiled'
[01:36] <thr1ce> nalioth, well, if you have watched 2 and 4, you should knwo too
[01:36] <thr1ce> know*
[01:36] <nalioth> thr1ce: but knowing and seein in person are two very different things
[01:36] <thr1ce> defintely
[01:36] <japanlover> what lib do i need to play WMVs?
[01:37] <slept> turkeyonmyface, xorg --> xfree ? why ?
[01:37] <thr1ce> japanlover, search google, please...you can easily find all of these answers
[01:37] <nalioth> japanlover: win32 codecs
[01:37] <nalioth> japanlover: and some wmvs won't play, even then
[01:37] <japanlover> nalioth, thanks
[01:37] <nalioth> japanlover: say thank ya to uncle bill
[01:37] <japanlover> nalioth, umm sure
[01:37] <japanlover> thank ya to uncle bill
[01:38] <thr1ce> nalioth, any idea if breezy's fixed yet?
[01:38] <rj`> anyway to burn svcd movies in ubuntu?
[01:38] <turkeyonmyface> slept: how do i run 'xorg'?
[01:38] <thr1ce> same way you ran xfree, with new names
[01:38] <thr1ce> and better performance, imo
[01:39] <thingfish> turkeyonmyface: if you have a gui, you're running xorg.
[01:39] <turkeyonmyface> the gui won't start
[01:39] <a_monkey> does "apt-get -b source [package] " install the package after building it?
[01:39] <turkeyonmyface> it fails
[01:39] <slept> turkeyonmyface, do you use hoary ?
[01:39] <thr1ce> are .deb's easy to build from source?
[01:39] <turkeyonmyface> whats hoary?
[01:39] <turkeyonmyface> so i am thinking that i don't
[01:39] <thingfish> thr1ce: with alien they are.
[01:40] <nalioth> breezy will be usable (imho) when the ending of its version ends in "Release candidate 1"
[01:40] <nalioth> thr1ce: yes they are
[01:40] <thr1ce> nalioth, bah, you're no fun
[01:40] <slept> turkeyonmyface, what version of ubuntu are you running
[01:40] <nalioth> thr1ce: you don't need alien
[01:40] <turkeyonmyface> waer
[01:40] <stuNNed> nalioth: that sounds like a plan...when rc1 is out..
[01:40] <turkeyonmyface> warty warthog
[01:40] <count0nz> nalioth, lol i think he means have the G++ 4 uploading finished :)
[01:40] <thr1ce> nalioth, never tried...I've ran slack for years, never tried to make a .deb
[01:41] <nalioth> thr1ce: "apt-get source -b <pkgname>" will build you a nice deb
[01:41] <egg|broken> haha
[01:41] <thr1ce> nalioth, are you serious?  that's so easy
[01:41] <nalioth> thr1ce: yes it is
[01:41] <thr1ce> nalioth, with slack, it was compile, destdir, strip libs, chown execs, gzip man pages, makepkg
[01:41] <SQL_Sam> hey are there any picture ripper apps for linux?
[01:42] <thr1ce> so...apt-get gaim-1.3.0.tar.bz2 -b gaim-1.3.0.deb ?
[01:42] <nalioth> thr1ce: so you'll have more time for pR0n, with apt-get
[01:42] <hybrid_goth> SQL_Sam: picture rippers?
[01:42] <thr1ce> nalioth, was that correct ?
[01:42] <SQL_Sam> for web sites
[01:42] <turkeyonmyface> ok, i can run the live version of ubuntu but when i install i get x server errors, whats this and why?
[01:42] <turkeyonmyface> ok, i can run the live version of ubuntu but when i install i get x server errors, whats this and why?
[01:42] <anto9us> SQL_Sam: Have you tried the Print Scrn button?
[01:43] <SQL_Sam> lol
[01:43] <hybrid_goth> SQL_Sam: wget
[01:43] <nalioth> thr1ce: was what correct?
[01:43] <thr1ce> apt-get gaim-1.3.0.tar.bz2 -b gaim-1.3.0.deb
[01:43] <thr1ce> for example
[01:43] <SQL_Sam> yes - i've seen them for windows was wondering if there was anything for linux?
[01:43] <flex_> turkeyonmyface, try  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:43] <goldfish> with sudo
[01:43] <nalioth> thr1ce: "sudo apt-get source -b gaim"
[01:43] <hybrid_goth> SQL_Sam: look in the src then use wget
[01:43] <slept> turkeyonmyface, so you have xfree - you have nvidia did you install linux-restricted-modules an nvidia-glx
[01:43] <slept> turkeyonmyface, what are your errors
[01:43] <thr1ce> nalioth, that's assuming, that I have the gaim source in the pwd ?
[01:44] <nalioth> thr1ce: pwd?
[01:44] <thr1ce> nalioth, man pwd :)
[01:44] <thr1ce> present working directory!
[01:44] <nalioth> thr1ce: if you have your repositorys like they came with ubuntu, apt will d/l the source for whatever
[01:44] <thr1ce>  / print working dir
[01:44] <dabaSlon_smks> SQL_Sam: likely if it is a useful thing
[01:45] <turkeyonmyface> unable to start the graphic enviroment, because my x server is not set up correctly
[01:45] <thr1ce> nalioth, well, I was thinking if I want a pack that isn't in repositories, but only available in source
[01:45] <Anubis> no gaim updates for ubuntu?
[01:45] <dabaSlon> SQL_Sam: what does it do exactly?
[01:45] <nalioth> thr1ce: if you compile yourself, use "checkinstall" instead of "make install", it will make you a nice deb
[01:45] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:46] <gusto5> hello
[01:46] <dabaSlon> yo
[01:46] <hybrid_goth> hi
[01:46] <thr1ce> man, I thought there would be another way; checkinstall is sorta shifty
[01:46] <gusto5> can i ask how to run a tar.bz installer?
[01:46] <egg|broken> hola
[01:46] <hybrid_goth> gusto5: un tar it
[01:46] <dabaSlon> it is a zip.
[01:46] <thr1ce> not a zip
[01:46] <thr1ce> it's an archive
[01:46] <dabaSlon> bah
[01:46] <dabaSlon> ok, an "archive"
[01:46] <gusto5> got it :)
[01:46] <gusto5> thanks
[01:46] <nalioth> thr1ce: i've been scanning this channel for a while, seeking how to get apt or dpkg to take up the building from outside source thing
[01:46] <dabaSlon> welcome
[01:47] <dabaSlon> youll have more questions:)
[01:47] <thr1ce> try to "unzip" a bz2 file
[01:47] <dabaSlon> bzip
[01:47] <nalioth> thr1ce: and i havent seen anything besides the 2 methods mentioned
[01:47] <dabaSlon> gzip
[01:47] <dabaSlon> I cant type much
[01:47] <nalioth> thr1ce: "bunzip2 <filenname.bz2>"
[01:47] <slept> unp can handle them all
[01:47] <abood> does any one tried redwall firewall ??
[01:47] <Anubis> oh well I hope the autopackage does not bork anything?
[01:47] <thr1ce> nalioth, yes; or tar jxvf filename.tar.bz2
[01:48] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: yea bunzip? heh
[01:48] <dabaSlon> abood: its not in synaptic, is it?
[01:48] <pj> hey hey
[01:48] <pj> what up
[01:48] <Anubis> The following package was successfully installed:
[01:48] <Anubis> * Gaim Internet Messenger
[01:48] <dabaSlon> yo
[01:49] <pj> sup
[01:49] <pj> where da ladies at??
[01:49] <anto9us> my house
[01:49] <nalioth> pj far from here
[01:49] <pj> really now
[01:49] <stuNNed> lol nalioth
[01:49] <dabaSlon> hah, hotmail wants me to accept some certificate from microsoft lately, anyone else noticed that?
[01:50] <dabaSlon> I am never!!! gonna accept it...
[01:50] <_simple> how easy is it to install kde and have a choice at startup between gnome and kde?
[01:50] <pj> that fucking sucks
[01:50] <dabaSlon> Just in linux, too:)
[01:50] <pj> is that all u guys talk about
[01:50] <pj> computers
[01:50] <abood> dabaSlon, nops
[01:50] <dabaSlon> hey, pj, whacha wanna talk bout?
[01:50] <nalioth> _simple: its simple
[01:50] <_simple> easy as an apt-get install command?
[01:50] <pj> not comps tell you that much
[01:50] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:50] <turkeyonmyface> sorry people Windows being installed linux install posponed
[01:50] <nalioth> _simple: couldnt resist...install "kubuntu-desktop"
[01:51] <pj> later guys
[01:51] <dabaSlon> pj, so, what then?
[01:51] <_simple> alright
[01:51] <eruin> pj: then try a non-os-related channel on a non-computer-relaated-in-general network ;-)
[01:51] <dabaSlon> wanna talk bout how computers suck?
[01:51] <stuNNed> _simple: pretty easy, better yet  you can have gnome on tty7 and kde on tty8 and switch between the two with ctrl+alt+f7,ctrl+alt+f8 justs start a new kde session with gdm once logged into gnome
[01:51] <_simple> i think i did like kde3 last time
[01:51] <thingfish> hehe eruin
[01:51] <_simple> and was saying over and over "can't connect to network kpersonalizer"
[01:51] <dabaSlon> stuNNed: nice...
[01:51] <nalioth> stuNNed: howz that tty8 thang work?
[01:51] <dabaSlon> :)
[01:51] <dabaSlon> just new login...
[01:52] <dabaSlon> Aps>System
[01:52] <stuNNed> nalioth: not tty is it?
[01:52] <_simple> what do you guys run gnome or kde?
[01:52] <_simple> what do you like better :D
[01:52] <dabaSlon> I run gnome, it is default.
[01:52] <eruin> one word: gnome
[01:52] <_simple> yeah
[01:52] <anto9us> gnome
[01:52] <dabaSlon> And, I like it more^_^
[01:52] <_simple> i was using kde for awhile
[01:52] <_simple> and like..
[01:52] <stuNNed> gnome here, keep it simple st*pid
[01:52] <nalioth> stuNNed: ya lost me, i'm just a user
[01:52] <eruin> gnome will have osX users feel more at home and kde will have windows users feel more at home
[01:52] <dabaSlon> _simple: there is a #kubuntu, ask there...
[01:52] <_simple> the past few hours i'm taking a liking to gnome
[01:53] <robertj> simple: don't end sentences in like
[01:53] <_simple> i'm not on kubuntu
[01:53] <dabaSlon> stuNNed: its the apps...
[01:53] <robertj> eruin: i'm a Mac user and that's not really true
[01:53] <_simple> it was a transtion
[01:53] <nalioth> eruin: i don't agree with gnome and osx similaritys
[01:53] <_simple> tansition*
[01:53] <_simple> well
[01:53] <_simple> add the two together
[01:53] <dabaSlon> eruin: yeah, a lot a ppl disagree, I agree, though,
[01:53] <robertj> just because Gnome has a menu on the top doesn't make it like mac
[01:54] <stuNNed> gnome is nothing like osx imho
[01:54] <dabaSlon> _simple: add:)
[01:54] <goldfish> how do i find out what chipset my wireless card is?
[01:54] <dabaSlon> a lot of ppl say that, I find the same as eruin, though.
[01:54] <anto9us> I like the filesize view of konqueror, would be nice if nautilus had that
[01:54] <dabaSlon> goldfish: google works.
[01:54] <stuNNed> anto9us: nice
[01:54] <goldfish> :)
[01:55] <dabaSlon> stuffedturkeyface left the building...
[01:55] <slept> goldfish, lspci
[01:55] <stuNNed> dabaSlon: lol
[01:56] <drb> why exactly should we not use breezy?
[01:56] <slept> unstable
[01:56] <dabaSlon> I was totally lmao when I first said it, like, stuffedturkeyface: something...
[01:56] <nalioth> drb, cuz it may work today, but definitely won't work when you need it to
[01:56] <nalioth> drb: its still quite disjointed
[01:56] <stuNNed> drb: because it is very early in development and undergoing significant changes atm that will hose your system?
[01:56] <PacoBCN> Question, guys. Any of you succeded trying to connect to a Yahoo with Gaim?
[01:56] <nalioth> PacoBCN: i connect all the time to yahoo
[01:56] <gusto5> question again. where is firefox initially installed?
[01:57] <dabaSlon> drb: cause why would you want to?
[01:57] <dabaSlon> does your comp work for everything?
[01:57] <PacoBCN> nalioth, mine doesn't allow me at all :(
[01:57] <drb> heh.  well, I run debian unstable now.  would that be comperable?
[01:57] <dabaSlon> PacoBCN: yeah...
[01:57] <thingfish> gusto5: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[01:57] <PacoBCN> now it just crashed :(
[01:57] <drb> for example, I want to use inkscape 0.41, which is only in breezy, and not in backports
[01:57] <dabaSlon> PacoBCN: you sure everything is correct?
[01:57] <nalioth> PacoBCN: huh...
[01:57] <gusto5> thanks, thingfish :)
[01:58] <thingfish> np gusto5
[01:58] <nalioth> drb, nope
[01:58] <dabaSlon> drb: just install that program...
[01:58] <dabaSlon> update, install, revert, update.
[01:58] <PacoBCN> there is an error message saying: The Authentification method failed.
[01:58] <nickrud> drb, if you were around for the c102 transition, you'll wait :)
[01:58] <drb> nalioth: okidoky.  :)  Can't I set up preferences for hoary, but include the breezy repo?
[01:58] <karljp> daba: for anything built against libc, that will fail MISERABLY
[01:59] <nalioth> drb, that will get you breezy
[01:59] <drb> heh.  okay, I'll be patient, I guess.  :)
[01:59] <screamz> updated to hoary, finaly
[01:59] <dabaSlon> drb: change sources to breezy, update, install program, revert sources, update...
[02:00] <_simple> what gnome themes are we all using these days
[02:00] <gusto5> thingfish. you know how i can install 1.04 firefox to replace 1.02
[02:00] <nalioth> drb: what dabaSlon sez will work, but watch out for breakage
[02:00] <dabaSlon> of what, if he just installs, but, maybe, Im a newbie
[02:00] <drb> Okay.  I thought there was a way to get around it.  I used to pull experimental packages while staying with unstable on Debian
[02:01] <nalioth> dabaSlon: i don't know whats involved with what he wants, what if some system-critial lib is upgraded and the hoary doesnt like it?
[02:01] <dabaSlon> well, I told you...Oh, right, dependencies.
[02:01] <dabaSlon> kk
[02:01] <drb> nalioth: yeah, I'd watch for deps
[02:01] <dabaSlon> kkk, in fact:O
[02:02] <thingfish> gusto5: well, of course one can always download it from mozilla.org and do it manually, but that's not what you want.
[02:02] <dabaSlon> try to just apt-get install -d and see what is involved.
[02:02] <dabaSlon> -d download
[02:02] <drb> yup
[02:02] <anto9us> drb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto may help
[02:02] <drb> anto9us: cool, thanks
[02:02] <nalioth> drb, its your baby
[02:02] <drb> nalioth: heh.  :)
[02:03] <dabaSlon> anto9us: nice
[02:04] <dabaSlon> hah, gusto left, I knew his answer,
[02:04] <Xira> Wow
[02:04] <dabaSlon> its on forums, someone said...
[02:04] <dabaSlon> the
[02:04] <Xira> I just got a package that has 15 Copies of Ubuntu CDS
[02:04] <Xira> I didn't know they were free.
[02:04] <Xira> I thought I had to pay shipping
[02:04] <dabaSlon> :)
[02:04] <Xira> O_O
[02:05] <dabaSlon> unlike Comcast...
[02:05] <dabaSlon> :)
[02:05] <wayne54026> :)
[02:05] <dabaSlon> im out.
[02:06] <tjs> is there any info/howto type docs about creating custom ubuntu based distros?
[02:07] <nalioth> microsoft honeymonkeys
[02:07] <nalioth> what will they come up with next?
[02:08] <tjs> I want to create a very cut-down ubuntu-based distro with an installer that skips the package selection stage and just installs a pre-defined set of packages
[02:08] <PacoBCN> Ok, guys, huge favor. Any of you know any free dns server I could use. The ones given by my isp suck!
[02:08] <goldfish> #ubuntu-dev maybe a better place to ask ? tjs
[02:09] <EtherNet> hello guys
[02:09] <tjs> cheers
[02:09] <gusto5> hello
[02:09] <anto9us> goldfish: I was just about to suggest the same thing :)
[02:09] <EtherNet> is there a way to switch from a base debian installed.... to ubuntu through apt for e.g. ?
[02:09] <goldfish> :)
[02:09] <EtherNet> by changing apt sources to ubuntu's ... and doing an apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:09] <EtherNet> by changing apt sources to ubuntu's ... and doing an apt-get dist-upgrade would work ?
[02:10] <goldfish> hmmm...
[02:10] <goldfish> I think someone did it from plain debian
[02:10] <gusto5> can i ask another qusetion?
[02:10] <goldfish> asj as many as you like
[02:10] <anto9us> gusto5: you just did, but don't worry, you've not used them up ;)
[02:10] <goldfish> it's what the channel is for
[02:10] <gusto5> ok. i just installed firefox 1.04
[02:11] <gusto5> lol anto9us
[02:11] <gusto5> how do i run it?
[02:11] <gusto5> installed to /var/lib/mozilla-firefox
[02:11] <thr1ce> if they could keep a semi-stable pre-release, I would run ubuntu
[02:11] <_simple> man..how do i edit the menu bar?
[02:12] <_simple> add or remove stuff in it, and change the icons in it :/
[02:12] <gusto5> anyone still here? Lol :P
[02:12] <Xira> Hey guys
[02:12] <Xira> look
[02:12] <Xira> http://synchronizedesigns.us/ubuntu/
[02:12] <Xira> I didn't know they paid for shipping too
[02:12] <Xira> so nice of em..
[02:12] <anto9us> gusto5: doesn't it run from your menu?
[02:12] <_simple> when i downloaded firefox 1.0.4 it didn't work
[02:12] <_simple> yeah Xiraq
[02:13] <_simple> Xira: i ordered like 5 cds yesterday ^^
[02:13] <gusto5> anto9us, it only runs 1.0.2
[02:13] <gusto5> the one that comes with 5.04
[02:13] <gusto5> ubuntu
[02:13] <_simple> with some hot chicks on the cover and all
[02:14] <Xira> I ordered these awhile ago
[02:14] <_simple> how long ago would you say?
[02:14] <Xira> completely forgot about them actually
[02:14] <Xira> thought shipping wasnt free
[02:14] <_simple> lol
[02:14] <_simple> yeah i read it was
[02:14] <anto9us> well, I think, there's a simlink in your bin directory, you need to replace it but it's not an exercise I've carried out
[02:14] <_simple> everything completely free
[02:14] <gusto5> a what?
[02:14] <_simple> i was expecting a few cd-rs...
[02:14] <_simple> but those are looking pretty n ice
[02:14] <anto9us> gusto5: a shortcut
[02:14] <_simple> case and all
[02:15] <Xira> the cds have shiny labels on them too
[02:15] <Xira> Really nice
[02:15] <anto9us> gusto5: although, it may run from a script, I'm not sure, there may be further help in the release notes, have you read them?
[02:15] <_simple> professional stuff
[02:15] <gusto5> anto9us, they confuse me. thats why im here :)
[02:16] <extreme> hi
[02:16] <anto9us> gusto5: well, if I'd done it I may be able help but I've not bothered upgrading it yet
[02:17] <_simple> but yeah, i had trouble with that gusto5  so i was recommended in using apt-get
[02:17] <_simple> which the only thing there is 1.0.3 not updated yet
[02:17] <Xira> Hey guys, check it out, added 2 more pics of the actual cds: http://synchronizedesigns.us/ubuntu/
[02:17] <_simple> so i'm waiting for it to add getting it from there
[02:18] <_simple> badass
[02:18] <nalioth> _simple: as linux users we are less subseptible to the exploits that plague our windoze (l)using brethren
[02:18] <nalioth> _simple: when the devs get it in the security updates, it will come
[02:18] <gusto5> _simple, do i run apt-get from terminal, or somewhere else?
[02:18] <goldfish> guys
[02:18] <_simple> yeah i know
[02:18] <_simple> so i'm waiting...?
[02:19] <nalioth> _simple: until then, use "useragentswitcher" for your mozdev d/l goodness
[02:19] <goldfish> once u dont run windows those firefox exploits cant really harm you
[02:19] <thr1ce> i wish ubuntu would just upgrade software, and not just patch; ie- add firefox-1.0.4, instead of firefox-1.0.2
[02:20] <computerguy867> what could be a reason that totem knows it has plugins while running under all other users and root except one user
[02:20] <thr1ce> will new firefox allow you to enter mozilla extensions/themes?  it'll only let one if they run 1.0.4; does it detect it on ubuntu?
[02:20] <moman> How come ubuntu doesn't recognize my DVD ROM?  HL-DT-ST GDR8082N DVD ROM
[02:21] <nalioth> thr1ce: use "useragentswitcher" or text edit your version #
[02:21] <_simple> oh so that's what useragentswitcher does?
[02:21] <_simple> fake the latest version?
[02:21] <thr1ce> nalioth, why doesn't ubuntu just add 1.0.4?!  and gaim 1.3.0 should be updated, but wasn't, if I recall
[02:21] <thr1ce> as they had a security flaw
[02:22] <nalioth> thr1ce: i'm not a dev, and have no clue
[02:22] <resiak> thr1ce: The security fixes will be backported.
[02:22] <_simple> been out for a few weeks atleast though right?
[02:22] <computerguy867> under one user it gives an error saying that the plugin is not installed(for all plugins)
[02:22] <thr1ce> i wish they would update the software, and not just patch the security holes
[02:23] <resiak> thr1ce: Then run the unstable branch (currently Breezy). The whole _point_ of having a stable version is that what you dislike happens.
[02:23] <_simple> does mozilla have a repository to add to install from?
[02:23] <PacoBCN> no ones feels like sharing his dns server with me?
[02:23] <thr1ce> resiak, breezy seems so unstable though...i'm used to a really stable pre-release
[02:23] <resiak> thr1ce: Well then go run Debian Testing :)
[02:24] <nalioth> thr1ce: breezy is not yet to "pre-release" stage
[02:24] <BrettMeister> Hi, folks.
[02:24] <thr1ce> resiak, i wish they would stablalize ubuntu pre-releases, as opposed to just tearing them apart
[02:24] <nalioth> thr1ce: breezy is there for peeps with 2 machines to work with
[02:24] <thr1ce> will breezy run non-final software?  such as...gnome 2.11 ?
[02:24] <BrettMeister> Will someone tell me how to install a .deb package from this cd that I have?
[02:24] <resiak> thr1ce: Then go run Debian Testing.
[02:24] <nalioth> thr1ce: one for stable OS and t'other for testing breezy
[02:24] <resiak> BrettMeister: dpkg -i ?
[02:24] <bpuccio> BrettMeister: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[02:25] <kiwnix> nalioth, not necessary, if you know a bit of package management (pining packages and so on)
[02:25] <BrettMeister> bpuccio: Thanks.  Where you have "file" actually put the file name there?
[02:25] <thr1ce> BrettMeister, of course
[02:25] <BrettMeister> thr1ce: Thanks.
[02:26] <drb> if I'm on hoary, and I add the backports apt repo, after apt-get update, shouldn't I see firefox 1.04 listed in a apt-get install?
[02:26] <drb> I must have done something wrong...
[02:27] <Madcat_> Are there any known/open issues regarding massive memory leakage in gnome ?
[02:27] <Madcat_> For several times already, memory usage seems to be eating into swap heavily ...
[02:28] <JairunCaloth> I have an app that needs the path to firefox, but i can't friken find firefox
[02:28] <gusto5> ok back again with more question
[02:28] <thr1ce> whereis firefox
[02:28] <Madcat_> after 5 days uptime, I was at 500mb swap usage (1gb physical ram) ... now after 2 days uptime, I'm again at ~300mb swap usage :o
[02:28] <thr1ce> whereis mozilla-firefox
[02:28] <JairunCaloth> ahh thanks
[02:28] <Cine> I assume I don't want to install the firefox update to my /home directory, right?
[02:29] <Madcat_> firefox using 167mb res / 312mb virt memory ... doesn't sound normal ...
[02:29] <toresbe> thr1ce: uhm, let me just tell you - breezy is completely completely unstable.
[02:29] <Madcat_> xorg using 127mb res / 225mb virt :o
[02:29] <toresbe> resiak! :)
[02:29] <resiak> toresbe!
[02:29] <thr1ce> toresbe, that bad?
[02:29] <toresbe> you're here too :)
[02:29] <resiak> toresbe: You've not seen me in here before?
[02:29] <toresbe> thr1ce: No, that's good, very good.
[02:29] <toresbe> resiak: oddly, no
[02:29] <anto9us> Madcat_: My guess would be that it's not cleared the swap because it hasn't needed to
[02:29] <resiak> toresbe: Oh.
[02:29] <thr1ce> toresbe, no, it's tha tbad?
[02:30] <toresbe> thr1ce: it's a good thing because it's not supposed to be stable
[02:30] <resiak> toresbe: I've seen you.
[02:30] <toresbe> that's why it's called unstable
[02:30] <toresbe> resiak: I'm touched
[02:30] <Madcat_> anto9us: strange ... I never noticed such things back when I was using gentoo/kde ...
[02:30] <toresbe> thr1ce: not for another few months!
[02:30] <gusto5> does anyone know why when i run firefox 1.0.4 install, i get errors with some .xpi files?
[02:30] <SantaOne> hi
[02:30] <toresbe> thr1ce: "PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY" -the topic
[02:30] <Madcat_> anto9us: I often had up to 30-day uptimes, w/o eating that heavily into swap ...
[02:30] <Xira> I donated 200$ to Ubuntu
[02:30] <Xira> :D
[02:30] <thr1ce> toresbe, yes, I know...I expected it to be usable though
[02:31] <toresbe> thr1ce: don't :)
[02:31] <thr1ce> i'm giving up on ubuntu
[02:31] <toresbe> thr1ce: this isn't Debian - things move *quickly* here :)
[02:31] <resiak> thr1ce: Use Debian!
[02:31] <toresbe> thr1ce: The stable release of Ubuntu has software that is more up-to-date than Debian Unstable.
[02:31] <toresbe> that says much about both Ubuntu and Debian.
[02:32] <Madcat_> I'd imagine this memory issue might be because gnome/gtk are using C, and C apps tend to use some really wierd memory management techniques ... while KDE/QT being C++, with (nearly) automatic memory management.
[02:32] <Xira> http://synchronizedesigns.us/ubuntu/
[02:32] <Xira> purdyyyyy
[02:32] <Xira> :o
[02:32] <Cine> need a little help installing the firefox update...  where do I need to install it?  it defaults to the location of the installer itself, but thats my desktop and seems like a bad idea...
[02:32] <nalioth> kiwnix: most folks don't have a clue about pinning
[02:33] <gusto5> 621=An Installer module %s (.xpi) failed to install
[02:33] <gusto5> how come i get that, anyone?
[02:33] <thr1ce> hm...can I take bits and pieces from breezy safely?
[02:33] <thr1ce> like...gaim, firefox, etc. ?
[02:33] <thingfish> Cine: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox is where the "old" one is installed.
[02:33] <SantaOne> Sorry for the offtopic-question:  Is there anyone from the USA ?  I am going to fly to the USA in the next time,  and the cheapest destination is Orlando.  So I try to find a VERY cheap way to travel from Orlando to Los Angeles (maybe by Bus or train?)  what is the cheapest way?
[02:34] <thr1ce> i mean, if I want to run the latest gaim all the time, what's the best way ?
[02:34] <nalioth> SantaOne: the bus would be the cheapest
[02:34] <nalioth> SantaOne: if you can make advanced arrangements, you might get a flight cheaper, but that takes some planning
[02:35] <thingfish> SantaOne: I bet you can almost get an airplane ticket for what train would cost.
[02:35] <Cine> ah, thanks thingfish... is that where I need to put the new one?
[02:35] <thingfish> Cine: sorry, can't advise you on that, it would involve overwriting existing files and I don't want to advise that.
[02:36] <thingfish> bus would be cheapest, if you can stand the discomfort.
[02:36] <karljp> and factor in the costs of a 3 day bus ride in food from orlando to la
[02:36] <hayden> how can i change the computer name
[02:36] <Cine> hm... maybe uninstall the old firefox package first?
[02:36] <karljp> if they even get there in 3 days
[02:36] <foxiness> Xira, awesome :)
[02:37] <foxiness> hayden, i think if u install gtweak or something like that
[02:37] <hayden> foxiness, im only running xfce
[02:38] <hans_> how do i install games with cedega? i installed the prog but cant install games...any help?
[02:38] <foxiness> hayden, say that on your q :) than
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> hans_: #cedega, http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php
[02:38] <thingfish> hans_: maybe the people in #cedega can be of more help.
[02:39] <hans_> thx
[02:39] <gusto5> great :D
[02:39] <gusto5> i lost my firefox too :S
[02:39] <foxiness> Xira, is all of this for u q:
[02:40] <SantaOne> thingfish: where can I get such a cheao ticket?   I love it.
[02:47] <foxiness> http://www.wildgardenseed.com/Taj/autopackage/ , did any one try to install last firefox from here "autopackage"
[02:47] <garnertr> Question, if I have a Pentium 4 laptop and install (just for giggles) i386 distro version, can that cause "issues" hardware? software?
[02:47] <deuce868> 27 :-)
[02:47] <garnertr> old enough to remember when MTV first came out
[02:47] <gusto5> yea! foxiness you rock :)
[02:47] <usynic> garnertr: nope.
[02:47] <rapha> usynic: Hmm I tried that ... still no sound in Quake 3
[02:48] <Jormundgand> But when I try to run Synaptic I get the box saying "insert password to use synaptic" and instead of letters typing anything gives boxes with hex in.
[02:48] <garnertr> nuts
[02:48] <tizzz> Hey guys, I can't seem to get X to start... And when I apt-get dist-upgrade it tells me x-window-system-core has been kept back... I think that might be my problem... I just updated a ton of packages and now can't get it to get that to work. Anyone able to help me?
[02:48] <kaniLiveCD> hybrid_goth,  old enough to believe I am sexy :o
[02:48] <usynic> rapha: I'd kill esd and use dmix.  esd is the devil.
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i tell which version of gcc i have?
[02:48] <foxiness> gusto5, is this true ;q
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> kaniLiveCD: heh thats old :P
[02:48] <kaniLiveCD> :P
[02:48] <tizzz> BROKEN_LADDER: gcc -v in a terminal
[02:48] <gusto5> i got 1.0.2 back
[02:48] <rapha> usynic: What synaptic package is that in?
[02:48] <gusto5> through synaptic
[02:48] <foxiness> gusto5, great to hear that :)
[02:48] <garnertr> I also remember when there was no such thing as cable tv and cell phones
[02:49] <gusto5> now to figure out how to get 1.0.4
[02:49] <usynic> rapha: it's not in any package... it's just a configuration option for alsa
[02:49] <gusto5> which everyone seems to not get :S
[02:49] <tizzz> BROKEN_LADDER: if you have hoary, you should have 4.0
[02:49] <rapha> usynic: So I have to recompile ALSA?
[02:49] <tizzz> uh
[02:49] <tizzz> sorry
[02:49] <BrettMeister> How do I get my cd to eject?  Eject with the drop down menu just gives me an error message.
[02:49] <tizzz> i have breezy
[02:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> it says gcc not found.
[02:49] <tizzz> i don't know
[02:49] <deuce868> garnertr: how did we live without cell phones? I can't seem to remember...and the net...what's a phone book?
[02:49] <tizzz> BROKEN_LADDER then you don't have it installed.
[02:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh jesus
[02:49] <thr1ce> tizzz, how is breezy working?
[02:49] <foxiness> gusto5, if u want to try something "maybe with trublesome" and easy way try this http://www.wildgardenseed.com/Taj/autopackage/
[02:49] <garnertr> Internet?  hell everything was Bulletin Board... remember Ascii Express?
[02:50] <usynic> rapha: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly <-- the asound.conf part is dmix
[02:50] <tizzz> thr1ce: well... good except i can't get into X right now... It was awesome till right now. lol
[02:50] <rapha> usynic: thx
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> after installing a different linux kernel, will i have to reconfigure grub?
[02:50] <deuce868> tizzz: saw some stuff about font paths messed up in breezy upgrade
[02:50] <thr1ce> tizzz, why would X have been updated... ?
[02:50] <deuce868> tizzz: in the forums
[02:50] <foxiness> gusto5, but u must before that uninstall firefox first that try this package
[02:51] <tizzz> deuce868: ahhh... Since I'm in console, I can't get google to work as well as usual. thanks
[02:51] <thr1ce> lynx!
[02:51] <goldfish> lol
[02:51] <foxiness> that - than
[02:51] <deuce868> tizzz: letme see if I can get a link for you
[02:51] <tizzz> i'm using it
[02:51] <tizzz> lynx
[02:51] <hybrid_goth> BROKEN_LADDER: i am listenin to gene for suicide now :D
[02:51] <tizzz> but its not the best way to google something correctly
[02:51] <tizzz> thanks deuce868
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> cool.  i saw that you signed up.
[02:51] <thr1ce> bbiab
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm about to go play an open mic.
[02:51] <foxiness> tizzz, ping www.google.com
[02:51] <deuce868> tizzz: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35143
[02:52] <tizzz> foxiness why?
[02:52] <foxiness> tizzz, for fun :)
[02:52] <tizzz> ok.. 44ms
[02:52] <hybrid_goth> BROKEN_LADDER: yea i havent got around to postin but ill get there :D where are you playin?
[02:52] <tizzz> deuce868 thanks
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> a place called Canvas Cafe near golden gate park.
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> BROKEN_LADDER: well good luck
[02:53] <garnertr> that blows, still can't get this distro to recognize my dvdrom drive... sigh... :)
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> BROKEN_LADDER: now fingerprint
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone tell me what i have to do after changing my kernel?
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> fingerpaint
[02:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's way old.
[02:54] <hybrid_goth> yea paint:D
[02:54] <rapha> usynic: Still no sound. It always says something about not being able to open /dev/dsp. All other apps have sound.
[02:54] <usynic> rapha: did you killall esd ?
[02:54] <rapha> Sure
[02:54] <xMaximex> Does anyone know a opensource alternative to microsoft visio ?
[02:55] <deuce868> xMaximex: dia
[02:55] <usynic> rapha: lsof /dev/dsp
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> xMaximex: whats visio?
[02:55] <rapha> usynic: empty prompt returned
[02:55] <deuce868> xMaximex: not as nice, but works out ok for most things
[02:55] <foxiness> hybrid_goth, the same q :)
[02:55] <xMaximex> deuce868: okay
[02:55] <usynic> rapha: you have the oss emulation modules loaded?
[02:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> i once changed a settings file so that grub would boot up at a higher resolution.  anyone know what that file is called?
[02:55] <kaniLiveCD> I have a question... whats kubuntu? :o
[02:55] <tizzz> deuce868 Very helpful, thanks.. I will be online from x soon i hope
[02:55] <Jormundgand> But when I try to run Synaptic I get the box saying "insert password to use synaptic" and instead of letters typing anything gives boxes with hex in. What do I need? What am I missing?
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> kaniLiveCD: ubuntu with kde
[02:56] <foxiness> kaniLiveCD, kubuntu
[02:56] <rapha> usynic: snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss are loaded
[02:56] <jesse_> How do I upgrade my current horray release to the development version?
[02:56] <foxiness> kaniLiveCD, #kubuntu
[02:56] <rapha> usynic: running QIII as root doesn't help either
[02:56] <limer> hmmm, w32codecs removed?
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> kaniLiveCD: and we are tryin to start UbuntuX ubuntu with xfce
[02:56] <kaniLiveCD> but is it another distribution or is the same ubuntu?
[02:56] <usynic> rapha: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> kaniLiveCD: another distro but still from conical
[02:56] <kvidell> that's not nice :-P
[02:56] <usynic> rapha: do you get static?
[02:57] <foxiness> kaniLiveCD, did u like kde or gnome if u like gnome way no diff else yes
[02:57] <BrettMeister> A cd that is in my cdrom will not eject.  Still mounted somehow?
[02:57] <rapha> usynic: Although now I get a little more verbose output: "Could not mmap dma buffer PROT_WRITE|PROT_READ" then "/dev/dsp: Input/output error" then "Could not mmap /dev/dsp"
[02:57] <rapha> usynic: Yes, hearing static
[02:57] <usynic> rapha: hrmm.
[02:58] <deuce868> anyone know a good visual svn tool?
[02:58] <jesse_> How do I upgrade to the development release,  what exactly do i add/change in the /etc/apt/sources.list ??
[02:58] <Jormundgand> When I try to run Synaptic I get the box saying "insert password to use synaptic" but instead of letters typing anything gives boxes with hex in. What do I need? What am I missing?
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> jesse_: if you dont know how to you dont need to
[02:58] <rapha> usynic: Hey, got it! I just started esd as myself and used esddsp --map then to prefix quake3 and now it works!
[02:58] <rapha> Thanks man!
[02:59] <usynic> np
[02:59] <jesse_> hybrid_goth, I just don't know what the servers are to change it to.
[02:59] <jesse_> hybrid_goth, I am very familar with debian you'd just change the stable to unstable and update apt.
[02:59] <rapha> usynic: Just so slow now that it is unplayable :-/
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> jesse_: it is the same just change hoary to breezy but not sugested
[02:59] <jesse_> hybrid_goth, So before you go and tell me what I am not able to do,  perhaps you just answer me quesiton.    And if you continue to feel the need to talk people down,  perhaps you should go to a channel that's not meant to support people.
[02:59] <hybrid_goth> jesse_: but do as you plz
[02:59] <jesse_> hybrid_goth, Thank you.
[02:59] <count0nz> jesse_, just change horey to breezy
[02:59] <xMaximex> deuce868: dia seems good, but can't create house plan
[03:00] <crimsun_> rapha: you'd be better off killing esd prior to playing quake3
[03:00] <rapha> crimsun_: Then I get no sound at all
[03:00] <deuce868> XMaximex: There is some type of KDE program you might try. Think it's kivio or something...never tried it
[03:00] <crimsun_> rapha: cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> jesse_: well if you cant look at an easy ubuntuguide page maybe you need to shut up and use your out dated dabian
[03:00] <xMaximex> okay
[03:00] <rapha> crimsun_:
[03:00] <rapha> 0 snd_via82xx
[03:00] <rapha> 1 snd_bt87x
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> jesse_: your welcome
[03:00] <jesse_> hybrid_goth, I just speant the last 15 minutes reading the Ubuntu site and didn't see anything obvious.
[03:01] <garnertr> get em... :) har hra
[03:01] <crimsun_> hybrid_goth: / jesse_: chill, please
[03:01] <jesse_> hybrid_goth, Does it make you feel big and powerful to talk people down?
[03:01] <crimsun_> no need to be hostile
[03:01] <hybrid_goth> jesse_: hmm and you came from debian?
[03:01] <jesse_> crimsun_, He started the hostility.
[03:01] <garnertr> ok, wish kanl was here, he was helping me w/ my dvd issue fr last night... sigh... stinking Centrinio...
[03:01] <crimsun_> jesse_: then don't "stoop"
[03:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> kaniLiveCD kubuntu is like ubuntu only sucky
[03:01] <rapha> jeronim: C'mon is this 1st grade kindergarden school... "he started no he"?
[03:01] <count0nz> :)
[03:01] <hybrid_goth> jesse_: does it make you feel smooth to try it be the "good" guy
[03:02] <count0nz> i love you
[03:02] <deuce868> garnertr: centrino here with no probs...what's not working?
[03:02] <jesse_> hybrid_goth, No.  But if someone says something about what I can and cannot do I am apt to correct them.
[03:02] <garnertr> hmm; my internel dvd/cdr drive, this current rendition is not 'seeing' the drive
[03:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wish there was a way to add padding to a panel, so that launchers wouldn't stretch to the edge of it.
[03:02] <crimsun_> rapha: have you tweaked the module parameters for snd-pcm-oss?
[03:02] <garnertr> It's in my bios SM-MATSHITA DVD-RAM UJ-811
[03:02] <rapha> crimsun_: no. To what should I tweak them to, and where?
[03:02] <deuce868> garnertr: I'm guess it installed fine from this drive?
[03:02] <crimsun_> rapha: modinfo snd-pcm-oss
[03:03] <rapha> crimsun_: Lotsa stuff returned
[03:03] <garnertr> well actually no it didn't, it got to the point where it was detecting cd-rom and it died, wouldn't get past that point, so I used my super multi rw dvd by LG and installed (USB External)
[03:03] <hybrid_goth> jesse_: now look does this make sense. someone comes in asking how to upgrade to something unstable by ubuntu means not debian that is meant for developers and such not ppl that cant even upgrade
[03:03] <crimsun_> rapha: look at the nonblock_open and dsp_map options
[03:04] <garnertr> dsmeg:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/HbXQ0s70.html
[03:04] <deuce868> garnertr: only thing I can say is that I had a similiar prob on a desktop, would detect in bios but not boot to it. I had a bad IDE cable in it
[03:04] <rapha> parm:           nonblock_open:Don't block opening busy PCM devices.
[03:04] <hybrid_goth> rapha: lol its not first grade
[03:04] <crimsun_> hybrid_goth: he left, so please let it rest
[03:04] <garnertr> ls /dev:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/h2DxXz86.html
[03:04] <rapha> parm:           dsp_map:PCM device number assigned to 1st OSS device.
[03:04] <hybrid_goth> crimsun_: w/e
[03:05] <rapha> crimsun_: I see them, what do I set them to?
[03:05] <Marble2> where are the files for the gnome-panel stored?
[03:05] <Marble2> like .desktop files
[03:05] <garnertr> HMMMMMMM now that is interesting, but then why only multiple distros not see it?  RH Fedora sees it w/ no problem, and Windows (2k, xp) no problem, could it be that simple though?
[03:05] <crimsun_> rapha: 1 and 0, respectively
[03:05] <rapha> crimsun_: Okay, "sudo modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss; sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss nonblock_open=1 dsp_map=0", right?
[03:05] <crimsun_> rapha: correct
[03:06] <deuce868> garnertr: sorry, not a ton of help...if other distros see it then I would guess prolly not your prob
[03:06] <rapha> crimsun_: Okay, tried that, still nothing
[03:06] <hybrid_goth> garnertr: prolly a driver issue
[03:06] <crimsun_> rapha: did you echo the correct values into /proc for q3.x86?
[03:06] <stevegula> hey guys, pretend i modified my sources.list file and didn't back it up.. what package can I dig it out of?
[03:06] <crimsun_> rapha: those values can be found on alsa.opensrc.org
[03:06] <rapha> crimsun_: I heard this could halt your machine
[03:06] <garnertr> No, good effort Deuce, I've been banging my head against my desk on this one, but I believe its my own laptop problem; I don't want to run windoze, but its fun trying to get this Alienware, system work... :)
[03:07] <garnertr> driver issue eh?
[03:07] <deuce868> stevegula: get a new sources file from someone running the same stuff
[03:07] <crimsun_> rapha: what, those /proc values? That'd be a fairly critical bug in the kernel.
[03:07] <stevegula> hm. anyone here running hoary A64?
[03:07] <rapha> crimsun_: Okay, so you mean the "echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss" and "echo "quake3.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss" stuff?
[03:08] <crimsun_> rapha: yep.
[03:08] <rapha> Okay, I'll give it a shot.
[03:09] <garnertr> shucky-darn... wish it would work, I'd hate to have to go back to the MAN to get my dvd to work... but then for giggles, I'll change that drive cable, maybe it is random luck that it worked when I thought it worked.. but it can't hurt
[03:09] <hybrid_goth> brb
[03:10] <garnertr> since this is a laptop, Alienware, could my drive be scsi?  Or would it more likely be ide (hdd primary and dvd/cdrom secondary?)??
[03:10] <deuce868> garnertr: your bios should tell you what it's on.. IDE primary, slave and such
[03:11] <g14> garnertr: Alienware doesn't put scsi drives in laptops
[03:11] <Marble2> Why does this .desktop file not work placed in /usr/share/applications http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=40249 I refreshed the gnome-panel...
[03:12] <garnertr> thanks
[03:12] <garnertr> yeah...thanks, that makes sense...banging head, its tired...
[03:12] <rapha> crimsun_: Okay, it works in the menu, but as soon as you try to get into a game it very reliable locks the machine cold.
[03:13] <crimsun_> rapha: update to the version in alsa-source, then
[03:13] <rapha> crimsun_: I don't quite understand?
[03:13] <hybrid_goth> back
[03:14] <crimsun_> rapha: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential alsa-source
[03:14] <crimsun_> (you need universe)
[03:14] <rapha> Okay
[03:14] <garnertr> ahhhhhh
[03:14] <limer> trying to run glxgears:  Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:14] <limer> xorg.conf shows loading dri and glx
[03:15] <garnertr> very tired today, not thinking clearly, been late working... :)  I'm hoping that maybe I had a possible bad burn from the iso, so I'm re-downloading the ISO right now...re-burn it @ a slower rate, maybe that will work
[03:15] <crimsun_> limer: what video card?
[03:15] <Anubis> can dri and glx be used at the same time?
[03:15] <limer> crimsun_, I think I see my prob
[03:15] <limer> brb
[03:16] <crimsun_> Anubis: on certain drivers, yes
[03:16] <crimsun_> Nvidia's one of the exceptions
[03:16] <Anubis> I wondered about that
[03:16] <limer> crimsun_, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:16] <Anubis> does dri provide faster FPS?
[03:16] <crimsun_> limer: you did that?
[03:17] <limer> crimsun_, just now :P
[03:17] <crimsun_> limer: good
[03:17] <limer> crimsun_, Q though
[03:17] <limer> how do I restart x without the machine?
[03:17] <limer> ctl+alt+backspace?
[03:17] <deuce868> limer: control alt backspace
[03:17] <limer> woot
[03:17] <crimsun_> limer: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[03:17] <limer> I'm hot tonight :P
[03:17] <hybrid_goth> limer: he
[03:18] <crimsun_> ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't shut it down cleanly
[03:18] <limer> I see
[03:18] <crimsun_> it's preferable only as a last resort
[03:18] <Mahl> Whats the command into making a bunch of files into an ISO file?
[03:18] <crimsun_> Mahl: man mkisofs
[03:18] <kestas> mkisofs
[03:18] <limer> crimsun_, I will issue your suggested command
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> i always use that 3 button salute :P
[03:18] <benplaut> president of ATI
[03:18] <Mahl> I know its mkisofs...but theres thousands of options
[03:18] <hybrid_goth> ah
[03:18] <Mahl> I just want to make a SIMPLE iso :P
[03:18] <hybrid_goth> benplaut: what card do you have
[03:18] <kestas> Mahl: try gnome-baker
[03:19] <kestas> Mahl: or read the manual
[03:19] <kestas> does anyone know how to make the java sdk into a .deb package?
[03:19] <benplaut> hybrid_goth: mobile radeon 7500
[03:19] <kestas> Seveas told me the other day, but I didnt get it down
[03:19] <deuce868> kestas: I think libranet has an .deb for it if you can get it
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> benplaut: ah i have the default card for the ibook g3 and it works
[03:19] <kestas> okay thanks Ill take a look
[03:20] <rapha> Oh, does somebody have that problem that always when you try to print from a GNOME application that application then crashes?
[03:20] <crimsun_> Mahl: presuming you have a subdir foo/ containing the files, % mkisofs -o foo.iso -R -J foo/
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> rapha: you got cups workin?
[03:20] <F0CUS> hey, can someone help me please
[03:21] <crimsun_> Mahl: be careful with -R and -J (rock ridge and joliet)
[03:21] <F0CUS> my sound is messed up, everything sounds really crappy....
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> F0CUS: / topic Just ask
[03:21] <rapha> hybrid_goth: Printing from OpenOffice works flawlessly, as does the CUPS test page
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> rapha: hmm but only gnome progs crash
[03:22] <rapha> hybrid_goth: yes... gedit, abiword, gnumeric...
[03:22] <rapha> tomboy..
[03:22] <hybrid_goth> rapha: ok is cups set up to interact with gnome?
[03:22] <hybrid_goth> can you play bzflag if you are in text mode
[03:23] <chrissturm> now that the cxx transition is done, any more reasons not to use breezy?
[03:23] <rapha> hybrid_goth: I got no idea. This is a fresh Ubuntu install in regards to printing. Except that I added my printer through System > Administration > Printing of course
[03:23] <crimsun_> chrissturm: who said it was done?
[03:24] <hybrid_goth> rapha: it seems like cups is not talkin to gnome or vis versa other then that i cant help you sorry
[03:24] <chrissturm> crismun: on my other s(test) ystem i run breezy and a i have a lot of *c2 packages. and it runs fine.
[03:24] <garnertr> yawn
[03:24] <rapha> hybrid_goth: nm :)
[03:24] <F0CUS> Playing MP3's sounds really crappy, does anyone know what it may be? I have tried various programs XMMS and Music player... It's only when I play Music, I have tried a movie and it's fine
[03:24] <garnertr> how is breezy?
[03:25] <crimsun_> chrissturm: it's far from complete
[03:25] <chrissturm> ok
[03:25] <garnertr> anything earth-shattering in it?
[03:25] <rapha> chrissturm: I did as you told me. What now?
[03:25] <hybrid_goth> rapha: nm?
[03:25] <deuce868> garnertr: more worried about system shattering :-)
[03:25] <rapha> hybrid_goth: short for nevermind
[03:25] <chrissturm> rapha: what did i tell you?
[03:25] <hybrid_goth> ah i get you
[03:25] <rapha> chrissturm: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential alsa-source
[03:25] <Mahl> Thanks crimsun_ !
[03:26] <hybrid_goth> brb
[03:26] <F0CUS> can someone please help me: Playing MP3's sounds really crappy, does anyone know what it may be? I have tried various programs XMMS and Music player and it's not the MP3's cause they are fine in wondows... It's only when I play Music, I have tried a movie and it's fine
[03:26] <chrissturm> rapha: must have been someone else :)
[03:26] <rapha> Oh
[03:26] <deuce868> FOCUS: is it only mp3? have you tried .wav or .ogg?
[03:26] <rapha> chrissturm: Oh sorry... crimsun_ just went away
[03:26] <^thehatsrule^> F0CUS, maybe its your mp3 codec?
[03:27] <limer> yep, I can tell the diff already :D
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> back
[03:27] <rapha> Erm
[03:27] <rapha> Maybe he didn't
[03:27] <rapha> crimsun_: I did as you told me, what now?
[03:27] <crimsun_> rapha: I'm only half-here, since I'm still finishing some things at work
[03:27] <rapha> crimsun_: Sure no prob... you told me to  sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential alsa-source
[03:27] <F0CUS> hmm... I dont thI have changed the codec since before but i will try updating...  1 sec
[03:27] <limer> crimsun_, when you have a moment.  could you send me that alt. to CTRL+ALT+Backspace again
[03:28] <Orunitia> right, when I install ubuntu, gdm goes to start up and then my system just freezes, any ideas what's going wrong?
[03:28] <foxiness> welcome back hybrid_goth
[03:28] <hybrid_goth> can you play bzflag if you are in text mode
[03:28] <crimsun_> limer: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[03:28] <hybrid_goth> foxiness: ty
[03:28] <limer> thx, accidental window close last time :D
[03:28] <foxiness> hybrid_goth, ty?
[03:28] <hybrid_goth> foxiness: thank you
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> for welcoming me :D
[03:29] <foxiness> hybrid_goth, you welcome :)
[03:29] <crimsun_> rapha: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[03:29] <crimsun_> rapha: choose "no" to PnP, "yes" to debug, and the via82xx driver
[03:29] <rapha> Okay
[03:29] <foxiness> hybrid_goth, next time it will be wy than dont ask me what is it ;q
[03:29] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[03:29] <crimsun_> rapha: then, sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:30] <garnertr> deuce, well I'm waiting for it, maybe it will fix my dvd issue! :) har har har... I do like ubuntu, would like to make it my distro for use... :)
[03:30] <Razor-X> what form of Linux would run on a EBGA processor?
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> foxiness: heh
[03:30] <chrissturm> i entered a wrong password in thunderbird. now i get login failed, but it doesnt ask me again for a password...
[03:30] <limer> anyone know a good site with a tutorial for ubuntu and mythtv?
[03:30] <garnertr> but then again, if it doesn't there are so many to choose from! :)
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: what is it
[03:30] <foxiness> hybrid_goth, did you knwo what is this "/exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1" "dont try it please"
[03:30] <linuxn00b> hey guys, I got a prob with my DVD transcode says there is no /dev/dvd but my other CD-rom is read just fine as /dev/cdrom what can I do to get my dvd to be seen?
[03:31] <deuce868> garnertr: plenty to choose from, just as long as they are debian based :-)
[03:31] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: it's an included proc for a mini-ATX board that's 17 cm x 17 cm
[03:31] <garnertr> ahhhh I see a slight tug towards debian eh? :)
[03:31] <garnertr> ;)
[03:31] <Orunitia> right, when I install ubuntu, gdm goes to start up and then my system just freezes, any ideas what's going wrong?
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: lfs would for sure and maybe uClinux
[03:31] <Razor-X> and so, i'ld like to work a really mini form of Linux on this
[03:31] <deuce868> garnertr: tried SuSE 9.3 for a weekend and came running back
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> foxiness: ni idea
[03:31] <Razor-X> I was thinking uClinux
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> me too
[03:31] <count0nz> myth for ubuntu stuff [03:32] <hybrid_goth> foxiness: **no
[03:32] <garnertr> really?  I played w/ the live cd and it seemed pretty k-rad k-kewl.  What didn't you like? (if its a ton, just the basic stuff...)
[03:32] <egg|broken> $_$
[03:32] <Razor-X> uClinux is compiled on install, right?
[03:32] <egg|broken> value $0
[03:32] <foxiness> hybrid_goth, thanks
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> np
[03:32] <Razor-X> or do I have to compile it for the proc manually?
[03:32] <rapha> crimsun_: It finished
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: depends
[03:32] <deuce868> garnertr: took me four hours to get wireless settings to stay put, I had to install off the dvd each time and then run an update
[03:32] <crimsun_> rapha: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: dslinux you had to compile it
[03:32] <rapha> crimsun_: Should I dpkg -i the resulting .deb now?
[03:32] <rapha> Okay
[03:32] <garnertr> yikes
[03:33] <limer> count0nz, danke
[03:33] <tizen> deuce868: got it working, but had to come up with my own solution... So I think for some reason my system is unique
[03:33] <deuce868> garnertr: felt it was very sluggish and just a pain to get a working web dev for me
[03:33] <deuce868> tizen: congrats, what did you have to do?
[03:33] <garnertr> I haven't eventouched my wireless yet, I figure if I can get the bloody dvd to work, THEN I'll work on that wireless issue... :)
[03:33] <rapha> crimsun_: My volume control applet just had to be reloaded ... I recon that's good? :)
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: if some has it compiled for the proc you can use that but other ways i believe you got to compile but idk for sure not much uCLinux work
[03:33] <deuce868> garnertr: ha, forget dvd I NEED my wireless...nothing like dev work from the couch :-)
[03:33] <tizen> for some reason the correct font files for me are in /usr/share/X11 and not /usr/X11R6/lib/X11
[03:33] <tizen> i dunno, i'm gonna keep trying to figure it out
[03:34] <Razor-X> this box will be 533 mhz with 32 MB of RAM
[03:34] <crimsun_> rapha: yeah, if it didn't spit out any errors
[03:34] <deuce868> tizen: there were some more font related threads in the forums you might look at, that one was just the longest one
[03:34] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: gentoo? linuxfromscratch?
[03:34] <rapha> crimsun_: Damn, I think I should have enabled my TV cards audio driver
[03:34] <deuce868> tizen: had hoped it had your info for you
[03:34] <tizen> yeah, it was close
[03:34] <Razor-X> not Gentoo, too bloated
[03:34] <tizen> I'm gonna have to look this up
[03:34] <drcode> hi all
[03:34] <Razor-X> I need a simple kernel and bootup
[03:34] <garnertr> interesting, the livecd I played w/ (9.3 I think) worked nice, for my laptop, some distros crawl some fly like the wind... fortunately Ubuntu is a flyer! :)  ahhh wireless fr the couch what a drveam
[03:34] <tizen> now that i have a gui
[03:34] <tizen> lol
[03:34] <garnertr> dream
[03:34] <Razor-X> which has to be lightning fast
[03:34] <garnertr> har har
[03:34] <Razor-X> to run only one program
[03:35] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: lfs if you got the time other then that uCLinux maybe a cli only distro
[03:35] <Razor-X> and that's it
[03:35] <drcode> I move to linux and I mast say that ms is primitve vs linux
[03:35] <deuce868> garnertr: then again, I'm just not easy to please...even ubuntu and debian distros frustrate me at times
[03:35] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: no multitaskin?
[03:35] <garnertr> Deuce, since you stated debian based, any others that you fancy?
[03:35] <crimsun_> rapha: sure. You can always clean /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver, then dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, and redo the compilation
[03:35] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: nope
[03:35] <hybrid_goth> drcode: i second that
[03:35] <F0CUS> Playing MP3's sounds really crappy, does anyone know what it may be? I have tried various programs XMMS and Music player... It's only when I play Music, I have tried a movie and it's fine
[03:35] <jerome__> hi is there any way to change the font of the clock applet ??
[03:35] <deuce868> garnertr: I'm using libranet on a laptop now, Ubuntu on a desktop and I used to have mepis on my laptop
[03:35] <Razor-X> it'll be one application i'll run with, preferably, BASH
[03:36] <deuce868> garnertr: and the servers are required to stay plain headless debian
[03:36] <garnertr> how do you like libranet?
[03:36] <Razor-X> i'm hoping I can fit all this on say... an 8 MB flash card
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: well lfs would be good b/c you can make it to do exactly that program if it is to be embedded
[03:36] <Razor-X> ahhhh, I see
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: so it is not embedded?
[03:36] <Razor-X> well, it will be embedded
[03:36] <deuce868> garnertr: it's nice, adminmenu is nice, but it's not as clean as ubuntu...EVERYTHING gets installed to get it all working
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: then lfs would make it simple and easy
[03:36] <Razor-X> cool ;)
[03:37] <deuce868> garnertr: a bit more behind as it follows debian a bit closer than ubuntu as well
[03:37] <Razor-X> how  much space you think I can fit it in?
[03:37] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: kinda drawn out but it will be *perfect* for _you_
[03:37] <garnertr> I see, thanks for the info... always nice to chat w/ other distro's... :)
[03:37] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: depends on drivers and such daemons
[03:37] <Razor-X> no daemons, remember?
[03:38] <Razor-X> no video drivers
[03:38] <jerome__> is there any way to change the font used for the CLOCK applet in gnome, or is there a better clock applet somewhere ??
[03:38] <Razor-X> a sound driver
[03:38] <deuce868> garnertr: every year I get closer to happy...got rid of my last windows box this month so getting close
[03:38] <Razor-X> no USB drivers
[03:38] <Razor-X> and no PS/2 drivers
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: the custom kernel is almost very small
[03:38] <Razor-X> all i'll need are sound drivers
[03:38] <deuce868> jerome__: you might see if gdesklets work for you ok if you have the extra cpu/ram
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> i would say compiled prolly < 7 mb
[03:38] <Razor-X> nice ;)
[03:38] <Razor-X> how fast you think it can bootup in?
[03:39] <deuce868> jerome__: the font should be defined in your settings though I would think
[03:39] <garnertr> yeah, I'D like to do that myself, I bet in 5-years Linux will be a real looker, I know some ppl find the gui stuff and the movement away fr command-line some kind of evil sin, but if you want to beat msft, you have to.. but still keep if for the techies...
[03:39] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: way way faster then ubuntu
[03:39] <Razor-X> hehe, I know
[03:39] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: think of the lil it has to load
[03:39] <jerome__> deuce: right but i want it to be different than the system's
[03:39] <Razor-X> but, the closer to instantaneous bootup, the better
[03:39] <rapha> crimsun_: Okay, now I got no volume control anymore on the panel. alsamixer doesn't show "Master" and "PCM" anymore
[03:39] <Razor-X> I'm hoping it can do it in < 1 sec
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: lfs depends on you. if you dont have much it will load fast
[03:40] <deuce868> garnertr: yea, but I think "beating MS" is the wrong goal. I like Linux because of the command line (prolly #1 reason I hate sitting behind a MS machine any more)
[03:40] <Razor-X> that's cool
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: jw what will this emmbeded system do
[03:40] <Razor-X> a music box
[03:40] <Razor-X> for all intents and purposes, on the outside, it will be a music box
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: so like mplayer all the time
[03:40] <Razor-X> with one MP3 (because I don't want to burden anything with MIDI libraries, and such)
[03:40] <deuce868> garnertr: just making stuff work is the way to go and let people determine the product based on requested needs...it'll get there
[03:41] <Razor-X> I hear there's a Linux MP3 plyr that takes 1 MB of RAM + the amount for the MP3
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: so like start up mplayer *
[03:41] <Razor-X> *player
[03:41] <beyond> Hi all, I installed ubuntu hoary here in my computer and I'm having a weird problem. my X is working properly but mouse pointer is moving slow, very slow. It seems that my xorg.conf settings is ok because I'm using the same settings I used before in ubuntu version 4. Any help ?
[03:41] <Razor-X> that's pretty much it, really
[03:41] <velo|gfx> ello
[03:41] <Razor-X> that's why, I just need kernel + sound drivers
[03:41] <Razor-X> and absolutely nothing else
[03:41] <garnertr> well I feel ya, I'm slowly finding it hard/harder to use a msft box, my fav is arguing w/ my it ppl stating thta I need a virus proggy on my laptop in oder to use it in the work space, but I keep telling them to name me actual viruses that affect my platform and they name only msft viruses.. :)
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: well it will be small and if it is playin one song over and over it will be fast
[03:41] <Razor-X> yeahp, that's what it'll do
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: linuxfromscratch.org
[03:42] <Razor-X> ok
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: good luck and have fun
[03:42] <deuce868> garnertr: even when I had MS on I didn't use AV, caused more probs than they solved...smart & up2date users could keep safe
[03:42] <mpt> Newbie question: Is it usual on Linux/Unix for /etc/passwd to be world-readable like it is in Ubuntu? (I know the file doesn't contain passwords, but it contains other users' phone numbers, etc)
[03:42] <Laforge> is there where i can get help on an IRC for Ubuntu?
[03:42] <Razor-X> power will be managed by a depressable switch, if the lid closes, the box will get it's power cut, if the box opens, the power flows
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: should be quite easy concludin no drivers no internet
[03:42] <Razor-X> that's why I need an almost instantaneous bootup
[03:42] <deuce868> garnertr: of course most users aren't that way so my servers run AV all over the place lol
[03:42] <drb> hehe. this is fun.  deb unstable -> hoary+backports
[03:42] <Razor-X> yeah, no internet, of course
[03:42] <garnertr> hehehehhee, yeah, its always fun to argue.. :)
[03:43] <Laforge> ok well i will just ask
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: yea it should be fast
[03:43] <Laforge> has anyone gotten the X Server error?
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> lightweight
[03:43] <crimsun_> Laforge: this is the sanctioned channel, yes.
[03:43] <Laforge> after an install
[03:43] <garnertr> yup, sometimes you have too, got to cover your butt... ppl are lazy anyway, if they know thta someone else will do the job, they'll expect to be done by someone else
[03:44] <deuce868> Laforge: and the error is??
[03:44] <garnertr> laforge, I can honestly say that my issues have never centered around x
[03:44] <Laforge> one sec
[03:44] <garnertr> but you might want to provide more detailed information for some of the smarter ppl here to answer ya
[03:44] <Razor-X> hmmm, what's the CUPS password in Ubuntu?
[03:44] <Laforge> lol yea i need to get to it
[03:44] <Fitzsimmons> hi all.  What usually sets the enviornment variable LC_ALL?
[03:45] <Fitzsimmons> because it is setting it incorrectly
[03:45] <Razor-X> errr, nevermind
[03:45] <benplaut> what the? i just got 13 updates?!?
[03:45] <deuce868> hybrid_goth: come on...how else to run tuxracer :-)
[03:45] <^thehatsrule^> fun!
[03:45] <Laforge> Ok here is my error
[03:45] <Tron|Borg> hello :D
[03:46] <garnertr> tron borg? funny
[03:46] <Tron|Borg> lol
[03:46] <Tron|Borg> you like it?
[03:46] <deuce868> Tron|Borg: interesting 70s/90s combo
[03:46] <Laforge> I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface).  It is likely that it is not set up correctly.  Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?
[03:46] <hybrid_goth> deuce868: heh i juss wanna play bzflag thats all i need a gui for
[03:46] <Tron|Borg> it is? I didnt know that myself
[03:46] <garnertr> tb, yes I do like it
[03:46] <deuce868> laforge: say yes :-) need the output
[03:46] <Tron|Borg> thanks deuce
[03:46] <Laforge> Ok here we go
[03:46] <Tron|Borg> guess what, I have good news
[03:46] <garnertr> love the light cycle...vrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm
[03:46] <deuce868> hybrid_goth: never heard of bzflag
[03:47] <chrissturm> anyone know how i can clear the password in thunderbird?
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> deuce868: nice tank game you can play over the internet
[03:47] <Tron|Borg> two of my hard drives have failed....
[03:47] <garnertr> ok, do tell what is the good news
[03:47] <garnertr> did you save money on your car insurance?
[03:47] <Tron|Borg> lol
[03:47] <Laforge> X window System Version 6.8.2 (Ubuntu 6.8.2-10<PHONE_NUMBER>4308<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:47] <Tron|Borg> thankfully i dont have a car
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> chrissturm: should be in account options passwd or sumthing similair
[03:47] <deuce868> Tron|Borg always get diff drives in diff batches
[03:47] <Laforge> Release Date: 9 Feburar 2005
[03:48] <Tron|Borg> really?
[03:48] <Tron|Borg> crap
[03:48] <Tron|Borg> *sob*
[03:48] <Laforge> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
[03:48] <`helix> how to upgrade to Breezy Badger
[03:48] <deuce868> Tron|Borg: yea, sys admin stuff I read says if you're getting two drives from same batch very likely they die same time
[03:48] <Tron|Borg> I'm not sure what has happened, I could be wrong but....
[03:48] <`helix> under sources.list
[03:48] <crimsun_> Laforge: please use #flood or http://pastebin.com
[03:48] <crimsun_> `helix: please see the topic, thanks
[03:48] <hybrid_goth> bodhi: dont know what name to use?
[03:48] <Tron|Borg> i'm glad you know your stuff
[03:48] <Fitzsimmons> anyone?  what sets the locale environment variables?
[03:49] <deuce868> Tron|Borg: so you're not sure they're dead? or you know they are dead?
[03:49] <BrettMeister> Does anyone know why my dvd would not auto-unmount a while ago?  Really irritating.  It auto-mounted.
[03:49] <crimsun_> BrettMeister: it was a hotplug issue that has since been corrected
[03:49] <Tron|Borg> I installed ubuntu but in the startup
[03:49] <hybrid_goth> whats coldplug
[03:49] <hybrid_goth> ?
[03:49] <Tron|Borg> it gave me the error:
[03:50] <Tron|Borg> Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 1
[03:50] <Tron|Borg> then logical block 2, and so on
[03:50] <Tron|Borg> also dm-3
[03:50] <BrettMeister> crimsun_: Thanks for the info.  This happened just a while ago tonight.  You mean it just now got fixed?
[03:50] <crimsun_> BrettMeister: no, sorry, I'm referring to a different problem.
[03:50] <crimsun_> BrettMeister: usb mass storage (scsi)
[03:51] <Adyeths> why would fontforge cause my computer to lock up?
[03:51] <BrettMeister> crimsun_: Thanks.
[03:52] <_simple> i'm installing kubuntu-desktop, will i be prompted which desktop i can choose from between gnome and kde?
[03:52] <Tron|Borg> kubuntu is just KDE
[03:52] <Tron|Borg> yay I helped
[03:52] <hybrid_goth> lol
[03:52] <deuce868> _simple: once you get one running you can install the other
[03:52] <_simple> say what?
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> _simple, it comes with Gnome
[03:53] <_simple> yes
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> you have to download kde
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> _simple: kubuntu has kde but when you install you can apt gnome
[03:53] <_simple> ubuntu comes with gnome
[03:53] <_simple> i am doing that now
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> nomasteryoda: hey whats happening
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> the choice is at bottom
[03:53] <_simple> what i mean is after install when i reboot
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> of screen
[03:53] <_simple> will i be able to pick from gnome or kde?
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> hey hybrid_goth
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:53] <deuce868> _simple: once you get jubuntu installed look for documents to help install gnome
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> _simple, yes
[03:53] <deuce868> _simple: errr...kubuntu
[03:53] <_simple> or will it boot to a command prompt and i pick like startx or startkde
[03:53] <_simple> no i have ubuntu installed
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> deuce868: jubuntu? wow what de is that
[03:53] <hybrid_goth> :p
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> _simple, it will be graphical
[03:53] <_simple> alright thanks (:
[03:54] <Tron|Borg> any idea what the average life span of a hard drive?
[03:54] <Tron|Borg> is
[03:54] <_simple> just curious before finding out for myself :D
[03:54] <deuce868> hybrid_goth: if you take Sun's JDS and mix it with Ubuntu :-)
[03:54] <Tron|Borg> maxtor have let me down :'(
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> deuce868: oh i thot it was jde jacka- well nvm
[03:54] <hybrid_goth> (:
[03:55] <deuce868> Tron|Borg: go by the warranty, go at least 3 years...after that no promises
[03:55] <garnertr> I've got hd's that are years old and still working great
[03:55] <Tron|Borg> i suppose i just got a bad batch
[03:55] <garnertr> but I've got good backups too.. :)
[03:55] <Tron|Borg> i dont keep any lol
[03:55] <deuce868> Tron|Borg always the hardest lesson, do you have another machine?
[03:55] <garnertr> well mine are just avi's from the net, not great loss if they are gone...
[03:55] <scorpix> how can i view images in the terminal without installing xserver?
[03:56] <Tron|Borg> no, but i do have another drive
[03:56] <hybrid_goth> fbi
[03:56] <Tron|Borg> lol
[03:56] <hybrid_goth> xv
[03:56] <hybrid_goth> scorpix: ^
[03:56] <galactic2> cab someone help me with an ubuntu install issue?
[03:56] <Tron|Borg> luckily my important data is on my newer hard drive
[03:56] <deuce868> hybrid_goth: what is fbi xv?
[03:56] <Tron|Borg> slightly prepared
[03:56] <deuce868> Tron|Borg, external firewire drive is my best friend
[03:56] <hybrid_goth> deuce868: fbi lets you veiw jpg in cli and xv is another img veiwer
[03:56] <Tron|Borg> yea?
[03:57] <Tron|Borg> i've got 2 firewire ports
[03:57] <Tron|Borg> sounds like fun.
[03:57] <deuce868> hybrid_goth: ah, learn something new every day
[03:57] <scorpix> hybrid_goth: ?
[03:57] <hybrid_goth> scorpix: use fbi or xv
[03:57] <deuce868> Tron|Borg: yea, keep a copy on it and use Unison to sync the copies...auto backup
[03:57] <Tron|Borg> firewire is faster than USB2 no?
[03:57] <hybrid_goth> deuce868: i have learned alot in cli
[03:57] <hybrid_goth> yes
[03:58] <deuce868> Tron|Borg: and then the external firewire makes for quick transfers to other machines when needed
[03:58] <Tron|Borg> unison, is that a linux app?
[03:58] <Tron|Borg> great
[03:58] <deuce868> Tron|Borg: it works in many environments
[03:58] <Tron|Borg> thanks for the tip
[03:58] <hybrid_goth> Tron|Borg: it is like an oversized thumbdrive for firewire
[03:58] <hybrid_goth> :P
[03:59] <Tron|Borg> hehe
[03:59] <F0CUS> HEY! I need help, All my MP3's sounds really crappy! I have tried .WAV files and OGG and they are fine, it is just MP3's
[03:59] <deuce868> hybrid_goth: know of any good sites for picking up vi tips then?
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> deuce868: vi-improved.org/tutorial.html
[03:59] <Tron|Borg> FOCUS: are they very low bitrate?
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> maybe .com
[04:00] <hybrid_goth> F0CUS: convert to ogg it is OSS anyway
[04:00] <Laforge> http://pastebin.com/286376 that is where the error file is
[04:00] <limer> F0CUS: is this in xmms?
[04:00] <deuce868> hybrid_goth: changed to tutorial.php :-)
[04:00] <Laforge> for duce868
[04:00] <hybrid_goth> deuce868: i thot
[04:00] <hybrid_goth> wasnt for sure
[04:00] <hybrid_goth> q:
[04:01] <F0CUS> limer: all apps
[04:01] <Tron|Borg> i'm going to jump on these hard drives
[04:01] <deuce868> laforge: do you have a screens section in your xorg.conf? and Is there a default screen set?
[04:01] <meuserj> I have problem compiling a kernal on an amd64 machine using make-kpkg
[04:01] <kev2123> hey folks, does anyone know how i can read of the temoperature of my CPU in ubuntu?
[04:01] <Tron|Borg> actually, i'll play with the insides first
[04:01] <F0CUS> Tron|Borg: no, they sounded fine in windows, they are >190Kps
[04:01] <Laforge> what do you mean?
[04:02] <meuserj> it keeps giving me "dpkg-architecture: warning: Unknown gcc system type amd64-linux, falling back to default (native compilation)"
[04:02] <Tron|Borg> oh
[04:02] <elfog> e ai biscataiada
[04:02] <meuserj> and then says that it doesn't think it's in the top of a kernel source tree.. which it is of course.
[04:02] <F0CUS> hybrid_goth: I dont want to convert all my mp3 to ogg....
[04:02] <Tron|Borg> FOCUS: ok, I dont know enough about linux to suggest anything useful :) sorry
[04:02] <meuserj> this is 2.6.11.. using breezy
[04:02] <F0CUS> lol
[04:03] <meuserj> anyone have any clues?
[04:03] <hybrid_goth> meuserj: why the new kernel?
[04:03] <ReD> anyone wanna help me out? i need to install video drivers...
[04:03] <benplaut> ReD: what video card do you have?
[04:04] <ReD> i'm using onboard
[04:04] <hybrid_goth> ReD: be more specific plz
[04:04] <Tron|Borg> cant wait for fedora 4 :D
[04:04] <Tron|Borg> whos with me
[04:04] <benplaut> Intel onboard?
[04:04] <F0CUS> HEY! I need help, All my MP3's sounds really crappy! I have tried .WAV files and OGG and they are fine, it is just MP3's. I have tried XMMS, Music Player
[04:04] <ReD> ( hybrid_goth ) i can only select one resolution
[04:04] <Amaranth> Tron|Borg: Not me. :)
[04:04] <hybrid_goth> q:
[04:04] <Tron|Borg> lol
[04:04] <ReD> ( benplaut ) yep
[04:04] <elkid> hello, can somebody tell wich is the package for the famd daemon plz?
[04:05] <meuserj> hybrid_goth: because I have a DVD burner that only will burn regular CD's with that kernel.
[04:05] <hybrid_goth> meuserj: ah
[04:05] <qko> hello
[04:05] <ReD> Intel 82845G/82865G
[04:05] <hybrid_goth> hi
[04:05] <nickrud> elkid, fam
[04:05] <qko> i have a question
[04:05] <deuce868> meuserj: you have the dvd utils package installed?
[04:05] <Tron|Borg> hi qko
[04:06] <qko> hi
[04:06] <hybrid_goth> heh
[04:06] <limer> what does xmms use to decode mp3s?  mad
[04:06] <qko> sorry for my poor english
[04:06] <Tron|Borg> its good english so far !
[04:06] <elkid> nickrud,  r u sure, because it shows me like 30 packages to install and i allready have gnome-panel etc..
[04:06] <hybrid_goth> qko: np
[04:06] <qko> jeje
[04:06] <deuce868> meuserj: dvd+rw-tools
[04:06] <F0CUS> PLEASE HELP! All my MP3's sounds really crappy! I have tried .WAV files and OGG and they are fine, it is just MP3's. I have tried XMMS, Music Player
[04:06] <qko> im from spain
[04:06] <hybrid_goth> qko: if we can make it out we will help q:
[04:06] <qko> Asturias
[04:07] <hybrid_goth> qko: i belive there is a spanish channel #ubuntu-es
[04:07] <F0CUS> I have already reinstalled libmp3hip0 in synaptic
[04:07] <ReD> http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/Filter_Results.aspx?strOSs=39&strTypes=DRV,ARC&ProductID=865&OSFullName=Linux* i've tried both with no joy
[04:07] <Laforge> deuce868: What is xorg.conf?
[04:07] <nickrud> elkid, gamin is what ubuntu-desktop pulls in, fam is the old monitor. On my system, it wants to uninstall a whole lot
[04:07] <meuserj> deuce868: it has nothing to do with dvd burning... dvd's burn just fine.. but there is a problem burning cd's... I researched it, and for regular cd support, I need kernel 11
[04:07] <limer> F0CUS: have you tried running something like mpg321 at the cli?
[04:07] <xenoxaos> does anyone know of any ncurses binaries for warty?
[04:07] <deuce868> meuserj: ah, thought it was the other way around
[04:08] <qko> In Synaptic it says me that i have 13 paks broken
[04:08] <qko> but I cant install it
[04:08] <F0CUS> limer: what is mpg321?
[04:08] <elkid> nickrud,  and whats the init.d file for it? i have installed it but ...
[04:08] <meuserj> so.. does anyone have experiece with the above error?
[04:08] <limer> F0CUS: sudo apt-get install mpg321
[04:09] <nickrud> elkid, just what are you after, you don't really need fam anymore
[04:09] <F0CUS> ah, its the cli command
[04:09] <F0CUS> I got that
[04:09] <limer> F0CUS: command line mp3 player
[04:09] <F0CUS> let me try
[04:09] <galactic2> cab someone help me with an ubuntu install issue?
[04:09] <meuserj> "dpkg-architecture: warning: Unknown gcc system type amd64-linux, falling back to default (native compilation)" when compiling a kernel on amd64 with make-kpkg?
[04:09] <F0CUS> Ihave it, 1 sec
[04:09] <galactic2> im trying to dual boot
[04:09] <limer> this may do nothing, but I'm curious as xmms seems to use the "other" mpg123
[04:09] <Tron|Borg> galactic2: whats up
[04:09] <aj_> Does anyone know where the equivilant of the .bashrc file is in slackware?
[04:09] <JairunCaloth> r
[04:09] <hybrid_goth> ~/.bashrc
[04:10] <galactic2> im running xp on an NVRAID array using my motherboard, and im trying to put linux on a seperate third SATA hdd
[04:10] <aj_> Not there.
[04:10] <hybrid_goth> o_0
[04:10] <galactic2> i got through the first install routine
[04:10] <aj_> I already checked.
[04:10] <hybrid_goth> welll do you mean in ubuntu or slack?
[04:10] <aj_> I mean in slack.
[04:10] <galactic2> it said to wait till linux boots, and of course linux didnt boot but windows did instead (it booted from the RAID array)
[04:10] <hybrid_goth> well ask #slackware maybe?
[04:10] <limer> aj_: updatedb && locate bashrc
[04:10] <galactic2> i forced the bios to boot from the linux hdd and it says inset system disk
[04:10] <hayden> is there a way to change the default xfce login screen without installing gnome or kde
[04:10] <deuce868> does slack use bash?
[04:10] <limer> aj_: sudo first, sry :P
[04:11] <thr1ce> yes, slack uses bashj
[04:11] <thr1ce> bash
[04:11] <elkid> nickrud, ok, but how do i make to it runs and update my nautilus like famd used to?
[04:11] <Tron|Borg> galactic2: where did you install grub
[04:11] <aj_> Ok. thanks.
[04:11] <aj_> join #slack
[04:11] <galactic2> i dont know it never asked anything for some reason
[04:11] <galactic2> no questions on where the bootloader should go
[04:12] <Tron|Borg> galactic2: try booting from your first hdd/array.
[04:12] <Tron|Borg> it could have installed to the MBR
[04:12] <computerguy867> does anyone know anything about setting up your own http file server?
[04:12] <galactic2> yeah i can boot from the first array, it goes to windows
[04:12] <galactic2> without a hitch
[04:12] <galactic2> but no linux
[04:12] <Tron|Borg> oh right
[04:12] <computerguy867> on your desktop
[04:12] <elkid> ok, how do i make nautilus update like it used to do with famd?
[04:12] <deuce868> computerguy867: with webdav or with scp or ftp or what?
[04:12] <Tron|Borg> or apache :D
[04:12] <computerguy867> i said http
[04:13] <nickrud> elkid, if ps -A | grep gam-server
[04:13] <galactic2> any suggestions?
[04:13] <Tron|Borg> *says apache lots*
[04:13] <nickrud> elkid, exists, you will get updates in nautilus
[04:13] <limer> anything I should know before screwing myself with 'nvtv' guys?
[04:13] <Tron|Borg> sorry galactic2, i cant say i know
[04:13] <deuce868> computerguy867: so I repeat...how are you getting files up there and they get them down? webdav, scp, ftp etc
[04:13] <ReD> anyone gonna help me? lol
[04:13] <galactic2> should there be a question is setup regarding where to put grub or lilo?
[04:14] <galactic2> it seems like it didnt even put the bootloader on
[04:14] <computerguy867> hmmm, Im not really sure what Im doing but I want to be able to securely access any files i want from my desktop using any browser
[04:14] <Tron|Borg> X-Chat is making noises lol
[04:14] <elkid> nickrud,  isnt running
[04:14] <computerguy867> (web browser)
[04:14] <nickrud> elkid, when that happens, I killall nautilus, and it comes back, as a rule
[04:15] <drcode> HI all
[04:15] <deuce868> computerguy867: and how do the files get onto the server? All you need to download it apache running with ssl with htacess for that
[04:15] <drcode> is there cms soft for linux that is better then Microsft CMS?
[04:15] <computerguy867> deuce866: Ok cool thanks
[04:16] <computerguy867> deuce866: So thats secure?
[04:16] <deuce868> computerguy867: if it's over https it will be
[04:16] <drcode> at work we use MS CMS , the linux have also somthing like that?
[04:16] <computerguy867> deuce866: Whats https?
[04:16] <deuce868> drcode: customer or content management system?
[04:16] <deuce868> computerguy867: apache with ssl
[04:16] <drcode> content MAnagment system
[04:16] <hayden> is there a way to change the default xfce login screen without installing gnome or kde
[04:16] <computerguy867> deuce866: Ok
[04:17] <deuce868> drcode: I really like mamboserver.com, can also try xoops
[04:17] <drcode> thanx
[04:17] <deuce868> drcode: there are a bunch of CMS sites that review various web based packages
[04:17] <drcode> I Will check it out
[04:17] <computerguy867> deuce866: And I could just configure any folders I want to be served on my computer?
[04:17] <F0CUS> how do I stop the mp3 in mpg321
[04:17] <computerguy867> deuce866: How does that work
[04:17] <drcode> btw: U know the LIve COmmnucation server of ms
[04:17] <drcode> or IBM sametime server
[04:18] <drcode> is there somthing in linux ?
[04:18] <F0CUS> limer: how do I stop the mp3 in mpg321
[04:18] <computerguy867> deuce866: Would I see my entire file structure in the browser?
[04:19] <nickrud> F0CUS, control-c in the terminal
[04:19] <elkid> nautilus still without updating itselft :(
[04:19] <nickrud> elkid, still no gam_server?
[04:19] <elkid> nickrud,  /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server but doesnt work
[04:19] <Laforge> deuce868 : http://pastebin.com/286377 that is the error i get for X server
[04:20] <deuce868> computerguy867: it's a bit complicated, you'd have to read up on https and such
[04:20] <computerguy867> deuce866: Ok, will do
[04:20] <tekinlache> hi
[04:20] <hayden> how do i install java 2 sdk ?
[04:20] <deuce868> laforge: can you open the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for the word screen?
[04:21] <computerguy867> deuce866: I have one more question, do you know of any particular sites or howto's(besides just doing a google search) that have info
[04:21] <subroot> hi hi, current gentoo user here interested in ubuntu
[04:21] <deuce868> computerguy867: I would either visit borders with and grab an orielly apache book or google my heart out
[04:21] <subroot> anyone know how it is compared to gentoo?
[04:21] <rapha> crimsun_: Hey, the recompilation didn't help with sound in Quake3 either
[04:21] <nickrud> elkid, did you restart nautilus?
[04:21] <Laforge> deuce868 : would i do like a open command
[04:21] <subroot> like.. how they differ/are similar?
[04:22] <Laforge> deuce868 right now all i have is command line
[04:22] <elkid> nickrud, no
[04:22] <elkid> nickrud,  what for
[04:22] <deuce868> laforge: try this pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:22] <computerguy867> deuce866: Ok, Thanks Alot!
[04:22] <beyond> Hi all, I installed ubuntu hoary here in my computer and I'm having a weird problem. my X is working properly but mouse pointer is moving slow, very slow. It seems that my xorg.conf settings is ok because I'm using the same settings I used before in ubuntu version 4. xset m is not working here. Any help ?
[04:22] <nickrud> elkid, try that, nautilus wants gam_server running, so when it restarts, it will restart the gam_server
[04:22] <Laforge> deuce868 ok what am i looking for?
[04:22] <deuce868> laforge: the word screen
[04:22] <computerguy867> deuce866: I like that the ubuntu channel is frame free
[04:23] <computerguy867> deuce866: *flame
[04:23] <elkid> nickrud, ok do i log out and get in again and done?
[04:23] <deuce868> laforge: your error says no screens found so it looks like you might be missing a screen section of your conf
[04:23] <Laforge> ok
[04:23] <deuce868> subroot: I hear emerge and apt are similiar
[04:23] <nickrud> elkid, in a terminal, killall nautilus.  gnome-session will restart nautilus, and nautilus gam_server
[04:23] <deuce868> subroot: I think ubuntu is a different phil. for you. You install and start working right off the bat
[04:23] <Laforge> deuce868 there is at the bottom things like ^W Where is, how do i access that
[04:24] <deuce868> laforge: those are control commands...so search is control->w
[04:24] <thr1ce> ok...the best way to trick firefox into thinking it's 1.0.4?
[04:24] <Laforge> deuce868 ok i found section "screen"
[04:24] <elkid> nickrud,  i did and still doesnt update the files :(
[04:25] <Laforge> deuce868 i have a default screen
[04:25] <hayden> how can i install java 2 sdk 1.4.2_0x ?
[04:25] <deuce868> laforge: in your section called ServerLayout is there a screen setting?
[04:25] <elkid> what was wrong with famd? it used to work fine why did they change it?
[04:26] <Laforge> deuce868 there is a screen but no screen setting
[04:26] <beyond> my mouse is actually working fine too. I tested in another computer
[04:26] <elkid> to the gam server
[04:26] <nickrud> elkid, /usr/share/doc/gamin/README
[04:26] <xenoxaos> How do i get the naked people background that is no longer on the cds?
[04:26] <_simple> gdm = gnome?
[04:26] <deuce868> laforge: ok try this...in that Server section add something like this
[04:26] <benplaut> xenoxaos: you can probably just google "ubuntu calender"
[04:27] <limer> _simple: man gdm
[04:27] <deuce868> laforge: Screen 0 "something" where something is the "Identifier" from the screen section
[04:27] <_simple> eh?
[04:27] <limer> I just did tonight :P
[04:27] <limer> good ol' crimsun_ teachin me
[04:27] <Tron|Borg> xenoxaos: hahaha which naked people
[04:27] <Laforge> deuce868 ok so now do i restart?
[04:28] <limer> _simple: gnome display manager
[04:28] <benplaut> Tron|Borg: in warty, the ubuntu calender backgrounds were ...artistic...
[04:28] <deuce868> laforge: once that is set just try the command startx and you should either get X or an error
[04:28] <xenoxaos> i remember there was some controversy over the backgrounds
[04:28] <wesw> how do you make the blonde naked?
[04:28] <wesw> j/k
[04:28] <deuce868> yea April 1st was "interesting" to say the least when I did my updates
[04:28] <benplaut> :rolleays:
[04:28] <Laforge> deuce868 Ok i try to exit but i wont let me save
[04:29] <Laforge> permission denied
[04:29] <benplaut> deuce868: i remember that one... hehehe...
[04:29] <limer> wesw: alcohol?
[04:29] <thr1ce> noone knows how to change firefox to think it's 1.0.4 to get themes/extensions ?
[04:29] <Tron|Borg> zZzZz, goodnight all !!
[04:29] <_simple> alright sweet
[04:29] <deuce868> laforge: shoot, forgot you prolly weren't root
[04:29] <wesw> perhaps a diamond?
[04:29] <_simple> i think gdm will be the default sure
[04:29] <benplaut> thr1ce: just a sec... i'll find it
[04:29] <deuce868> laforge: you're going to have to exit and then run the command again with su so su pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:29] <deuce868> laforge: and make the change again
[04:29] <Laforge> ok
[04:30] <deuce868> brb
[04:30] <limer> wesw: no a diamond is when you can't get rid of her ;)
[04:30] <elkid> nickrud, ok but is it like famd or how do ppl make it run like a daemon every time pc restart?
[04:30] <Laforge> deuce868 do you mean sudo?
[04:30] <deuce868> laforge: yep, sorry
[04:30] <benplaut> thr1ce:go to about:config
[04:30] <benplaut> search for general.useragent.vendorSub
[04:30] <benplaut> change it from 1.0 to 1.0.4
[04:30] <benplaut> and it should work
[04:30] <RedNeck_> hello
[04:30] <benplaut> hello
[04:30] <wesw> hi
[04:31] <nickrud> elkid, it's always started for me, and when it failed, killing nautilus has brought it back. I've never needed to investigate any deeper ;(
[04:31] <RedNeck_> Does anyone know if there is a guide to build RPMs for Ubuntu?
[04:32] <wesw> why RPM for Ubuntu?  you don't like apt better?
[04:32] <benplaut> RedNeck_: ubuntu is debian based, so it doesn't use RPM... it uses DEB
[04:32] <hybrid_goth> alien
[04:32] <nickrud> RedNeck_, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[04:32] <RedNeck_> well I wuold like to configure some of the packages
[04:32] <thr1ce> benplaut, sweet, thanks man
[04:33] <Laforge> deuce868 uh oh when i do sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf it loads a new file
[04:33] <Zer0G> exit
[04:33] <deuce868> laforge: you sure we typed it correct? just the same as the last time
[04:34] <RedNeck_> is it posible to install silent applications in Ubuntu?
[04:34] <Laforge> deuce868 haha woops typed it wrong like 5 times
[04:34] <deuce868> laforge: phew, don't scare me into thinking I helped you clear that file lol
[04:34] <wesw> redneck, u mean defeat the security?
[04:34] <Laforge> deuce868 lol sorry
[04:34] <Laforge> deuce868 ok saved it
[04:35] <Laforge> deuce868 now run startx?
[04:35] <deuce868> laforge: yea, let 'er rip
[04:35] <judson> how owuld I go about upgrading firefox if there is no apt-get update yet?
[04:35] <RedNeck_> wesw no I mean by using swintches or modifing the installer
[04:35] <Laforge> deuce868 uh ok still fatal error no screens found
[04:36] <benplaut> judson: there is one in backports
[04:36] <deuce868> laforge: can you do that paste thing with your xorg.conf file so I can see it better?
[04:36] <judson> thats an alternate repository?
[04:36] <benplaut> yes
[04:36] <Laforge> deuce868 ok i will
[04:36] <benplaut> go to ubuntuforums.org , and click on 3rd party projects
[04:37] <wesw> redneck, depends on what binary package u install.
[04:37] <judson> awsome.
[04:37] <RedNeck_> wesw do you know if there is aguide or something?
[04:37] <thr1ce> PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[04:38] <calc> thr1ce: if its not still bleeding its too old :)
[04:38] <thr1ce> calc, well, I heard people's systems quit working
[04:38] <wesw> redneck, not off the top of my head...google for it or find someone here smarter than I..  :)
[04:38] <jsgotangco> heh just dont use it yet its bound to break especially with gcc4 looming
[04:38] <calc> thr1ce: yea the xorg stuff was a bit hosed wrt font locations
[04:38] <RedNeck_> I wuold like to create my own cd with my own programs and appl just like a windows xp unattended cd..
[04:38] <calc> i haven't restarted x in 13 days so i am safe i think ;)