[00:23] <erappleman> mlankhorst, re the hybrid spec. does airlie still plan to have power management ready for 3.8? i haven't seen him prep it for -next or anything that should've been done already
[00:26] <mlankhorst> seems to be delayed
[00:27] <mlankhorst> I'm reviving my synchronization work though
[00:29] <erappleman> your tree is very promising
[00:29] <mlankhorst> it's slow work though, I never touched radeon before, the i915 commits *might* work, but didn't test it much
[00:30] <erappleman> i could try rolling the kernel over the next few days
[00:31] <mlankhorst> it's not ready yet, the first half deals with getting ttm locking changed in a more useful way, after that some changes for debuggability
[00:34] <erappleman> thanks, i'll keep an eye on developments
[00:35] <mlankhorst> it would be useful if someone could review the mutex patch I posted though
[00:39] <mlankhorst> part of the changes were making ttm use an extended version of mutexes for implementing reservations, but without that patch in I can't get the rest upstreamed
[00:41] <erappleman> mutex: add support for reservation style locks?
[00:42] <erappleman> couldn't hurt to let dri-devel look at it
[00:42] <erappleman> or would that be an lkml thing
[00:44] <mlankhorst> suppose i could repost and cc dri-devel
[00:44] <mlankhorst> and now that I actually got the preliminary ttm patches in elaborate a bit more in the commit on how to use it


[22:39] <guiverc> I hope everyone is/was aware of this, but 20.04.2 release date is back to 4-Feb-2021  (week earlier than 11-Feb), a week less for testing purposes
 thx for the heads up
[23:22] <guiverc> :)


[05:04] <kbmonkey> moring!
[05:04] <kbmonkey> morning o/
[07:19] <nuvolari> moring kbmonkey
[07:19] <nuvolari> :P
[07:47] <queery> Maaz: announce See you guys at the JHB Ubuntu Hour  @ Rosebank http://bit.ly/JD0qCS
[07:47] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! See you guys at the JHB Ubuntu Hour  @ Rosebank http://bit.ly/JD0qCS
[07:48] <queery> who removed announce from Maaz??
[08:24] <nuvolari> queery: eh?
[08:25] <nuvolari>  Maaz | Hear ye, hear ye! See you guys at the JHB Ubuntu Hour  @ Rosebank http://bit.ly/JD0qCS
[08:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[08:25] <nuvolari> lol
[08:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: not talking to you, talking about you
[08:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[08:42]  * nuvolari hopefully did not start a war
[10:22] <inetpro> good mornings
[10:25] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: hiho
[10:25] <HawkiesZA> Evening
[10:25] <HawkiesZA> Trying to find people :-P
[10:27] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: are you queery?
[10:27] <HawkiesZA> Nope
[10:27] <inetpro> hmm...
[10:28] <HawkiesZA> Been HawkiesZA for a long time ;)
[10:28] <HawkiesZA> What does queery look like?
[10:28] <inetpro> am not sure but he asked me to change the topic
[10:28] <inetpro> above
[10:28] <HawkiesZA> ahhh
[10:28] <inetpro> Ubuntu Hour 2 June @ Rosebank http://bit.ly/JD0qCS
[10:29] <inetpro> are you at Roseank?
[10:29] <inetpro> Mugg & Bean, Rosebank
[10:29] <HawkiesZA> Yep. Sitting at M&B
[10:29] <inetpro> ahh, nice
[10:30] <inetpro> queery = djnoeth
[10:30] <HawkiesZA> I'm using the free WiFi at the moment, but they only give you 30mins
[10:30] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~djnoeth
[10:30] <inetpro> eish!
[10:30] <HawkiesZA> Nevermind!
[10:30] <HawkiesZA> Success!
[10:30] <inetpro> cool
[10:30] <HawkiesZA> They were late
[10:30] <inetpro> they?
[10:31] <Banlam> Hawkies, aka Hawk on local forums?
[10:32] <HawkiesZA> Not as far as I know
[10:32] <Banlam> right
[10:34] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: you have Ubuntu CD's and stuff?
[10:35]  * inetpro actually forgot about todays event during the week
[10:35] <inetpro> should have tweeted some more
[10:35] <HawkiesZA> Me? Nah. I did bring my flash disks though
[10:36] <inetpro> HawkiesZA: anyone else joined you yet?
[10:36] <inetpro> queery: wb
[10:36] <HawkiesZA> Just the three of us
[10:36] <inetpro> ahh, that's something at least
[10:37] <queery> hi
[10:37] <queery> im at the ubuntu hour in Rosbank
[10:37] <queery> with HawkiesZA
[10:39] <inetpro> queery: nice! Enjoy it and take some photos for maia
[10:43] <queery> haha will try
[11:12] <tumbleweed> oh, an ubuntu hour :)
[11:16] <queery> hehe hi tumbleweed
[11:28] <queery> Maaz: coffee on
[11:28]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[11:28] <queery> in m&B
[11:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[11:32] <queery> Maaz: ty
[11:32] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[11:39] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[11:39] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA you new here?
[11:39] <tumbleweed> queery: hi
[11:40] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed queery
[11:43] <queery> hi oom Kilos
[11:44] <Kilos> some peeps in the lists sound unhappy with new releases hey?
[11:45] <Kilos> luckily i dont use notes etc
[11:47] <tumbleweed> new releases are always going to be worse for some people ;/
[11:52] <Kilos> yeah well you cant please everyone all the time
[11:52] <Kilos> and they can still go back to windows if they are really pissed off
[11:55] <tumbleweed> can't please some people's hardware, either
[11:56] <Kilos> lol yeah i have that prob
[12:06] <nuvolari> oom Kilos!
[12:06] <nuvolari> hallo :)
[12:07] <Kilos> lo nuvolari hoe gaan dit daar?
[12:07] <nuvolari> goed dankie en daar by oom?
[12:07] <Kilos> ook goed dankie seun
[12:08] <nuvolari> but geez, I don't get why people blame the file manager for something like notes. I'm about certain that if something like konqueror or thunar was used on that same files, the info would not be available
[12:08] <nuvolari> Kilos: dis goed so oom!  Ek sal te opgewerk raak. Dis al genoeg dat hy kom status trek hier op my en 'n arme file manager blameer vir iets waaraan dit onskuldig is
[13:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[13:34] <Kilos> lol @ nuvolari
[13:45] <nuvolari> argh! forgot to keep the list in the loop...
[13:45] <nuvolari> would be interesting to see his response to my last one :P
[13:45] <Kilos> lol
[13:48] <nuvolari> anyhow, I rest my case
[13:48] <Kilos> shame nuvolari he is really frustrated but doesnt want to drop ubuntu. be nice to him
[13:48] <nuvolari> I believe he blames the entire Ubuntu for the wrong reasons
[13:49] <nuvolari> I was as nice as I could be oom Kilos
[13:49] <Kilos> ha ha
[13:49] <nuvolari> unfortunately this is how things turn out
[13:50] <nuvolari> and if he doesn't like my response, I have no bad conscience about it
[13:50] <Kilos> yes, when guys are frustrated one misses things and says other things that are taken up wrong
[13:51] <Kilos> you need diplomacy
[13:51] <Kilos> Maaz, diplomacy
[13:51] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[13:51] <Kilos> aw he forgot
[13:51] <Kilos> Maaz, diplomat
[13:51] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[13:51] <Kilos> oh i forgot
[13:55] <nuvolari> Kilos: who's the diplomat?
[13:55] <nuvolari> hopefully not me :P
[13:55] <Kilos> nuvolari, you must become one
[13:56] <Kilos> like the fly
[14:04] <Kilos> bbl
[17:46] <nuvolari> yo hamslaai! ltnc
[17:53] <Kilos> evening all
[17:54] <Kilos> yo not_found
[17:57] <superfly> sup Kilos
[17:58] <Kilos> been fighting wine superfly otherwise all well ty and there
[17:58] <Kilos> cold though
[17:58] <superfly> Kilos: were you struggling with the cork?
[17:58] <Kilos> lolol
[17:58] <Kilos> rofl
[17:58] <superfly> do I need to phone Ian to come and open the bottle for you?
[17:59] <Kilos> no man i dont drink anything but water tea coffee milk and beverages
[17:59] <Kilos> wine for AOE
[17:59] <Kilos> and it corrupts my top panel
[17:59] <Kilos> moves them things around
[18:00] <Kilos> trash can moves to another desktop position and nm
[18:01] <Kilos> and the game is so slow its not funny
[18:01] <Kilos> ohi hamsalad
[18:05] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa
[18:05] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me
[18:05] <Kilos> sigh
[18:06] <Kilos> crash kid must come home and fix the bot methinks
[18:06] <Kilos> inetpro, you just lurking?
[18:07] <inetpro> eh
[18:07] <Kilos> hehe
[18:07] <Kilos> skelm
[18:07] <Kilos> when i say evening all you are actually included in all you know
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: lurking?
[18:07] <inetpro> what's that?
[18:08] <Kilos> reading what others are saying and just sitting giggling at them
[18:09] <Kilos> or do you have your fingers tucked under your arms for warmth
[18:10] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:10]  * inetpro was busy doing other stuffs... email, etc
[18:10] <Kilos> ah
[18:10] <Kilos> i believe you. millions wouldnt
[18:11] <inetpro> ja ja
[18:11] <Kilos> hehe
[18:31] <smile4linux> bye! :)
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight smile
[18:32] <Kilos> whew
[18:44] <Kilos> eish wine aoe killed my evolution inbox too
[18:58] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[03:15] <cccfire> hihi!!!
[03:15] <elky> fun
[08:54] <Pricey> Unit193: Howdy? :-/
 hi. Where does exactly the version of vim for Ubuntu come from?
[10:03] <bazhang> from debain?
[10:04] <Unit193> Pricey: Heh, play off of "we're all friends, lets talk"
[10:04] <bazhang> apart from unity, what isnt
[10:05] <Unit193> Kernel, firefox, etc.
[10:05] <bazhang> iceweasel is it?
[10:05] <Unit193> Yeah, doesn't sync, nor does chromium.
[10:06] <bazhang> and thunderbird is icemonkey?
[10:06] <Unit193> Icedove.
[10:06] <bazhang> thanks!
[10:07] <Unit193> Sure.
[12:57] <knome> peyam doing some acting up in #xubuntu, have him on PM now
[13:31] <knome> @mark #xubuntu peyam acting up on #xubuntu againg: arguing and insisting developers to do changes that please him; talked with him in PM, explained why his attitude is faulty. he promised to consider his attitude in the future.
[13:48] <AlanBell>  /last ops
[13:48] <AlanBell> fail
[13:48] <knome> last ops fail? yeah, i guess that'll happen.
[13:51] <AlanBell> !no ops-#ubuntu-ops is <reply> Thanks for letting us know you are here, someone will be along presently
[13:51] <AlanBell> !ops
[13:51] <AlanBell> problem fixed?
[13:51] <Pici> sounds good to me
[13:51] <Pici> I highlight on the call itself.
[13:51] <AlanBell> staff as well?
[13:52] <AlanBell> I mean, should I do that to the !staff call?
[13:52] <Pici> Personally, I think we should forget ¡staff
[13:53]  * Pricey is easy
[13:53] <AlanBell> I think I agree, I am more than happy to find people, mention staff and wait or use /stats p to find people
[13:54] <AlanBell> I don't see why users should have an easy way to bother freenode staffers
[13:54] <Pici> They're probably all ignoring any hilights from Ubuntu channels because of this anyway ;)
[13:54] <AlanBell> I haven't seen it being used constructively
[13:54] <Pici> I don't think it has had a use for a few years.
[13:54] <AlanBell> ok, I forgot how to forget things
[13:54] <Pici> ubottu: forget staff
[14:04] <Pricey> There're a few puns in there.
[18:46] <Pici> phunyguy: amireldor has been pm'ing me over the past few days and not saying anything meaningful, all after I kicked him from #ubuntu for some sort of annoying behavior (I don't even remember what it was) so good luck
[18:48] <phunyguy> yeah I have muted him before
[18:48] <phunyguy> Pici: ^
[18:48] <Pici> Yesterday he asked me if I was around, when I replied yes he said 'hold on' an then never said anything else.
[18:48] <phunyguy> weird.
[18:49] <Pici> indeed.
 bekks: #ubuntu-offtopic are just making fun at me :q
[18:49] <bazhang> from #u
[18:52] <phunyguy> yeah that's not true at all.
[18:53] <Pici> just as true as that traitor bazhang ever says :P
[18:53] <bazhang> heh

[19:52] <Flannel> I don't know who owns Gilles.
[20:06] <AlanBell> oh, a bot, don't recognise the name
[20:10] <Flannel> I didn't find anyone with lastlog and the IP/host/whatever
[23:54] <knome> hey,
[23:54] <knome> we need #ubuntu-newdocs clean, and forwarded to #ubuntu-doc
[23:54] <knome> currently, the channel has ubot5 and ubuntulog2
[23:59] <Unit193> knome: Alrighty, AlanBell should be able to do it, so I just poked him (was around.)
[23:59] <Unit193> I would think you'd contact rt about the log bot though.


[04:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: ty for -synaptics :)
[09:17] <akxwi-dave> here's a weird one guys..  spot the problem... https://imgur.com/a/dDswX
[09:22] <Unit193> Hmm.. Desktop icons too large.
[09:23] <akxwi-dave> 😃 morning Unit193
[09:23] <Unit193> Howdy.
[09:32] <akxwi-dave> hmm.. installed version..  https://imgur.com/a/qqPHO
[09:33] <akxwi-dave> try to try to recreate and record bug if happens again
[09:36] <akxwi-dave> yup and it does
[10:49] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: look pretty much size I always see till I set them to something sensible
[10:54] <akxwi-dave> Hi Kev...
[10:55] <akxwi-dave> Its the lack of categories and recent releases on the live session....
[11:03] <flocculant> oh in gnome software?
[11:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+bug/1688056/comments/27 also failing to search in artful bug 1718182
[11:24] <bluesabre> flocculant: that's actually an xfce issue... I believe
[11:24] <bluesabre> (See #xfce-dev)
[11:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok doke - and yes read that now
[11:43] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: i can confirm 1718182
[22:31] <Unit193> Looks like we depend on libreoffice-gtk, which is a transitional package.


[00:31] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 4.18.7 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:05] <Unit193> Should we nab https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/-/merge_requests/111 for ... uh..mantic?
[01:05] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Merge 111 in xfce/xfce4-settings "appearance: sync gtk4 dark themes using -Dark (fixes #495)" [Opened]
[01:05] <Unit193> I'm just goona call the dev release Dave.
[01:05] <Unit193> "Can we grab this commit for Dave?" "Is thunar 4.18.7 too late for Dave?" :D
[05:55]  * guiverc hears a voice saying "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
[05:58] <Unit193> :D
[08:17] <bluesabre> Unit193: I was thinking the same. Dave deserves to have good dark theme support.
[08:18] <bluesabre> And other things
[10:06] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Include libspa-0.2-bluetooth twice to try fixing recommends (see wireplumber for previous example) @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=1fb07079be16077f1b9dc558be4148a4d8fb2630 (by Sean Davis)
[10:07] <bluesabre> Darn, that didn't work.
[10:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: Want to do some germinate debugging? I noticed that libspa-0.2-bluetooth isn't making its way to the desktop metapackage.
[10:09] <Unit193> Might be able to look into it tomorrow, can't Sun.
[10:09] <bluesabre> Awesome, thanks!
[11:13] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: Bump actions/setup-python from 4.6.1 to 4.7.0 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/commit/68d79b535177b2ae90bf5f9175ed5dcdfb73bec9 (by dependabot)
[11:13] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: Merge pull request #39 from Xubuntu/dependabot/github_actions/actions… @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/commit/8c4d205b432991a4e59bf1d089ae3aacd717421e (by bluesabre)
[11:14] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Bump actions/setup-python from 4.6.1 to 4.7.0 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-artwork/commit/2647ef39c2d884fa3ed514b97f0660789e1e0dbd (by dependabot)
[11:14] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: Merge pull request #18 from Xubuntu/dependabot/github_actions/actions… @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-artwork/commit/5bf4a4f34a296e225e6f76dfc7fb5d2511b9ea2d (by bluesabre)
[11:16] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: build(deps): bump actions/setup-python from 4.6.1 to 4.7.0 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/0caf7f2e9ab5c3aee163c7d44e77372b4e9543cf (by dependabot)
[11:19] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: Bump JamesIves/github-pages-deploy-action from 4.4.2 to 4.4.3 @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/commit/ea8842e9666174d74094047bc671ccfc16896dd8 (by dependabot)
[11:19] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: Merge pull request #38 from Xubuntu/dependabot/github_actions/JamesIv… @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/commit/300c1a785bae68bd720ac6348ea828ea6be7fde7 (by bluesabre)
[11:24] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: Bump actions/setup-python from 4.5.0 to 4.7.0 (#62) @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=7431e290c997c467f83cc3fe82c4a9cbe1314fbc (by Sean Davis)
[12:03] <bluesabre> Is this something we can set... or will it require a patch to xfsettingsd? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/2025332
[12:03] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2025332 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Wrong gtk-4 print preview setting" [Undecided, New]
[21:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Wouldn't that just be something like https://paste.opendev.org/show/bcmteMTKKnu0PoACzzyu/?
[21:54] <Unit193> bluesabre: I hate germinate so very much right now.    But I got it to work.
[22:29] <Unit193> Weird, OK.  I downgraded germinate to 2.28 and still no joy...
[22:29] <Unit193> I also reformatted our file, no joy.