[22:34] <atoponce> some teams like delegating out positions and priorities. some it's one leader with nothing but members
[22:35] <atoponce> it would all depend, i guess, on what responsibilities needed to be filled and how thet team wolud want to be run internally
[22:35] <popey> < Wybiral> QUESTION: When burning CDs isn't a good option, what would you suggest is the best way to get involved?
[22:35] <atoponce> Wybiral: there are several ways. forums posts, wiki editing, blogging, just general help
[22:36] <atoponce> of course, getting out in your city/state/country, and vocal advocacy is also a big plus. even posters or buttons
[22:36] <atoponce> identify your talents, and magnify them in the community
[22:36] <popey> < desertc> QUESTION: What relationship do you see between LoCo teams and sub-LoCo-teams, such as US states or US cities?  How do you see these smaller teams working together and collaborating with the larger teams?
[22:37] <atoponce> desertc: very good question. if you don't mind, i'm going to defer it. i'll be covering that here in the next topic. :)
[22:37] <atoponce> i think i'm cought up on the question queue, so let's continue
[22:37] <atoponce> "running or participating in a LoCo team"
[22:38] <atoponce> this is the area that takes all the time as a member
[22:38] <atoponce> running a team effectively takes a great deal of work, and contributions for all team members, not just the team leader and a couple of the strong ones
[22:39] <atoponce> it consists of instal lfests, local community work, advocation, etc.
[22:39] <atoponce> it consists of rolling up the sleeves, and getting dirty, so to speak
[22:39] <atoponce> when running a team, however, the team might get fairly large, spread over a massive area
[22:40] <atoponce> that's ok. when a team gets to that size, it can split down into smaller teams, falling under the larger umbrella
[22:40] <atoponce> such as a city team that coexists under the state/country team
[22:41] <atoponce> this is perfectly ok, as long as the city team, and the state/country team can continue working getting the community involved
[22:41] <atoponce> for example
[22:41] <atoponce> we have a texas team, or starting at any event, here in the states
[22:41] <atoponce> there is also a houston team, which is a city in texas
[22:42] <atoponce> because of the size of texas, this is okay. making members drive from one end of the state to the other, just for a meeting is a bit much, so we split it out into smaller teams to distribute the membership, and create that community
[22:43] <atoponce> i should mention at this point that running a loco team should not require much in the way of financial funding
[22:43] <atoponce> if executed correctly, a team can split out the load amongst members costing only a few dollars / year / member
[22:43] <atoponce> this is reasonable
[22:43] <atoponce> cds can be burned. posters printed. t-shirts made
[22:43] <atoponce> all for cheap, if everyone chips in
[22:44] <atoponce> ok. question time
[22:44] <popey> < desertc> QUESTION: How would you address concerns from people who feel their LoCo does not represent their local community, as an extreme example there is only one LoCo for the China team and one for the Russian Team.
[22:45] <atoponce> desertc: well, it's important to sense where the most activity will be. in the case of large countries like china and russia, meeting in person is not optimal
[22:45] <atoponce> as such, online meetings, such as irc, can be great
[22:46] <atoponce> if membership count warrants it, they could split dividing the members geographically, to help facilitate local community work
[22:46] <atoponce> i hope that answers your quetion.
[22:46] <popey> < BonesolTeraDyne> QUESTION: What kind of contributions do you think someone could\should make if they don't have much free time, or can't really socialize with their group for some reason? For example, a busy college student who is constantly in class or doing homework
[22:47] <atoponce> BonesolTeraDyne: good question. i think it would be important for that person to analyze what time he/she does have available, what talents he/she can add to the group, and go from there
[22:47] <atoponce> in my case, it's blogging and attending the once-per-month meetings
[22:48] <atoponce> but i would say that they need to weigh their free time and see what they can do
[22:48] <popey> < sgtd> QUESTION: How have those in LoCo's found the reaction of local Linux User Groups (LUGs)
[22:49] <atoponce> sgtd: for the most part, very possitve. some LUGs have lost members, but others gained. all in all, i would say that the experience is positive, as long as the loco realizes that it's not to replace the LUG, but work along side it
[22:50] <atoponce> ok. i have about 10 min left, so i'm going to finish on approved /non-approved teams then conflicts, then i'll take any questions that remain. if we go a few minutes over, i'm sure that'll be okay, seeing as though this is the last session. :)
[22:50] <atoponce> i'm sure you've heard about approved teams. what's the point?
[22:51] <atoponce> well, having an approved team gives you a couple of incentives
[22:51] <atoponce> jono may want to help me out on this one, if he's paying attention. :)
[22:51] <atoponce> basically, you get more CDs from canonical than you can get through shipit
[22:52] <atoponce> also, you get booth material for setting up kiosks at fairs and events
[22:52] <atoponce> but, probably the greatest incentive is a piece of pride
[22:52] <atoponce> knowing that the Community Council has approved your team, means you have been recognized by Canonical in your team/community building success
[22:53] <atoponce> getting approved means having an active team, with a good userbase and active comminuty involvement
[22:53] <atoponce> it varies from team to team, but generally, a good rule of thumb is this:
[22:53] <atoponce> 2-3 large community events
[22:53] <atoponce> large membership list
[22:53] <atoponce> active mailing list
[22:53] <atoponce> and regularly scheduled meetings
[22:54] <atoponce> to get approved, create an application on your team wiki, outlining all these in great detail, and submit it to jono
[22:54] <atoponce> if he give you the go-ahead, then you go to the CC seeking approval, just as you would for regular membership
[22:54] <atoponce> finally, conflicts
[22:55] <atoponce> every team has them at one point or the other
[22:55] <atoponce> it's important to note that conflicts sholud be handled by the team, and not taken to the CC if at all possible
[22:55] <atoponce> the CC doesn't need to concern itself with every little problem
[22:55] <atoponce> also, if your team is having a conflict, chances are, it's arisen before
[22:56] <atoponce> so, if your team can't resolve the conflict, then it may be best to take it to some loco leaders that may have experienc or knowledge on how to handle it
[22:56] <atoponce> such as jono, nixternal, Zelut, elkbuntu, PriceChild myself and others
[22:56]  * popey pokes atoponce
[22:56] <PriceChild> atoponce, not me ;)
[22:57] <atoponce> just remember that 90% of the problems come from a lack of communication
[22:57] <atoponce> team members need to be united in purpose and vision and 100% open in communication to avoid these issues
[22:57] <atoponce> in conclusion, remember that we're about advocacy and strengthening ubuntu in the community
[22:58] <atoponce> it's what makes ubuntu great, and the reason a vast majority of us are using it
[22:58] <atoponce> so, i'll take the last remaning questions now
[22:58] <popey>  < popey> QUESTION: Do you think that LoCos should become incorporated (in some way) in order to handle money (paying for space at venues, CDs, leaflets etc), or they should seek sponsorship - others to handle the money?
[22:58] <popey> (was the first question, but got skipped)
[22:59] <atoponce> popey: that would depend on the team. if they feel that they cannot execute without it, then by all means, they should seek it.
[22:59] <atoponce> i wolud advise to be careful in this area though
[22:59] <H264> popey: I'd seek sponsership
[22:59] <atoponce> it's easy to get distracted and caught up in the details of things like this, losing the greater goal
[22:59] <H264> *sponsorship first
[23:00] <popey> that's all our questions
[23:00] <atoponce> well. thx for having me. it's been a pleasure
[23:00] <popey> thanks very much for taking the time atoponce, very useful session!
[23:00] <atoponce> just remember that ubuntu rocks! and the community rocks harder! :)
[23:00]  * popey applauds
[23:00] <gaurav_> thank you for taking the time ;)
[23:00] <Yasumoto> thanks atoponce! :)
[23:01] <popey> atoponce: one moment
[23:01] <atoponce> np :)
[23:01] <peppych> thank atoponce your connection made it finally ;)
[23:01] <atoponce> glad there wasn't any realy issues. :)
[23:01] <BonesolTeraDyne> thanks atoponce
[23:01] <isabel__> thank Aaron
[23:02] <isabel__> for you time
[23:02] <atoponce> np :)
[23:02]  * Heartsbane thanks Aaron.
[23:02] <popey> atoponce: there is one question i mssed if you have a moment
[23:02] <atoponce> sure
[23:02] <popey> < ttread> QUESTION: Do LoCos usually advocate mainly to desktop users, server admins, or both?  How about terminal server use in schools?
[23:03] <atoponce> ttread: good question. i would say generally, desktop users. but really, it depends on who your target audience is. if going after schools ,then edubuntu seems appropriate. if corporations, then ubuntu-server
[23:03] <atoponce> i would say generally though, desktop users
[23:04] <atoponce> any other questions?
[23:04] <popey> that's your lot
[23:04] <popey> thanks again
[23:04] <atoponce> np
[23:04] <popey> Come back tomorrow everyone!
[23:04] <thaddeusq> popey: what time?
[23:04] <peppych> thanks to all for organizing the open week, I cant wait tomorrow to join more sessions, see you
[23:04] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[23:06] <isabel__> bye ..see you tomorrow :D
[23:06] <popey> bye
[23:06] <BonesolTeraDyne> bye
[23:06] <pwnguin> aww crap, i forgot about open week.
[23:21] <Virusurbano> HELLO
[23:44] <herbert> Hi from Peru!!
[23:48] <nxvl> hi
[23:49] <nxvl> i'm trying to do my first merge
[23:49] <nxvl> and i need some help
[23:53] <FrankQ> You can better go to #ubuntu, probably


[19:15] <micechal> hi
[19:16] <micechal> is is the right channel to ask about the irclogs.ubuntu.com site?
[19:16] <holstein> micechal: whats up?
[19:16] <micechal> holstein: I'd like to know how are you dealing with log updates
[19:16] <micechal> I realise plaintext updates are starightforward
[19:16] <micechal> but the generated htmls, how are they made?
[19:17] <micechal> I know the tool is irclog2html
[19:17] <micechal> though could you tell me how do you run it? as in how often is it run and such
[19:18] <holstein> i cant think of a better place to ask, but, im not certain about that. i assumed it was a bot that did it..
[19:18] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[19:20] <micechal> it would apparently be the "ubuntulog" bot
[19:21] <micechal> the contact column only contains an email address
[19:33] <DJones> I think generally, the logs are updated on the hour
[19:34] <DJones> I could be wrong with this, but I think the logs are generated from an irssi instance
[19:40] <micechal> on the hour so the script is a cron job?


[03:11] <JanC> it's just different userlands for their linux subsystem, I'm sure
[03:12] <JanC> which in Windows 10 is replacing their older UNIX/POSIX subsystem
[03:20] <Mr_0> mornin'
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:23] <Mr_0> mornin' lotuspsychje
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> hey Mr_0
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: what timezone are you in?
[04:26] <Mr_0> hmm...gmt +2? Norway anyways..same as Amsterdam
[04:26] <Mr_0> and you lotuspsychje ?
[04:26] <JanC> CEST
[04:27] <Mr_0> ah
[04:27] <JanC> (aka Central European Summer Time)
[04:27] <Mr_0> yep you got it
[04:27] <Mr_0> morning JanC :)
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: cool! im brussels timezone
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: ducasse is also from norway
[04:31] <Mr_0> ah hello fellow european :)
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> morning wafflejock and JanC
[04:31] <Mr_0> ah cool
[04:33]  * Mr_0 sips more coffey, waiting for kids to wake up
[04:34] <Mr_0> a bit to early here....should be coffee ;)
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> coffee & irc mmm perfect!
[04:35] <Mr_0> indeed :D
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: what do they kids think of dad on linux?
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> they think its cool?
[04:35] <Mr_0> also some pianosessions from Nils Fhram
[04:36] <Mr_0> heh...not my kids...tho I have one on the way. They are mesmerized by the scrolling text in irssi and my dual screens lotuspsychje ;)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> haha
[04:37] <Mr_0> :)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> congrats with the new kid Mr_0
[04:38] <Mr_0> thanks lotuspsychje :) we are pretty exited ;)
[04:38] <Mr_0> you got any kids lotuspsychje ?
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: no
[04:39] <Mr_0> I'm 37 so it was about time ;)
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> 40 here
[04:39] <Mr_0> ah oldie linux user?
[04:39] <Mr_0> hehe ;)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> yep
[04:41] <Mr_0> :)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> started with an old redhat something on gnome
[04:41] <Mr_0> i started with redhat around 2002
[04:41] <Mr_0> snap
[04:41] <Mr_0> :)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[04:41] <Mr_0> cool lotuspsychje
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> had to fight hours to get internet working at that time
[04:41] <Mr_0> yep
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> but the coolness of linux triggered me alot
[04:42] <Mr_0> yes same here, always liked it :)
[04:42] <Mr_0> tho it was a bigger struggle back then
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> it had something 'spacy'
[04:42] <Mr_0> ;)
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> like a cockpit of a spaceship lol
[04:43] <Mr_0> haha yes
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: these days i got ubuntu installed on all my machines, and started an ubuntu business
[04:44] <Mr_0> wow cool lotuspsychje  :)
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: what distro are you on?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> check your invite Mr_0
[04:45] <Mr_0> well...ubuntu really..but it is peppermint...just installed the pkg's so it works as ubuntu
[04:46] <wafflejock> hiya lotuspsychje
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> Mr_0: nice
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> 85mb update this morning guys
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox xenial
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> !info childsplay | Mr_0 for the kid(s)
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[06:24] <ducasse> morning, guys
[06:27] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, ducasse. How are you two?
[06:28] <ducasse> barely awake, overslept a bit today :) and you, lordievader?
[06:29] <lordievader> Bit tired, but nothing coffee cannot fix.
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:30] <lordievader> Though of trying out Matrix's home server.
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> rainy day here
[06:33] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: that looks interesting, just looked it up
[06:40] <ducasse> lordievader: ^^
[06:46] <lordievader> The talk at FOSDEM was quite interesting.
[06:50] <ducasse> i assume they hope this will be a major player in both text chat, video calls etc? any other interesting functions?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> breakfast bbl
[06:55] <ducasse> enjoy
[07:04] <lordievader> From what I've heared yesterday it is growing quite rapidly. The main matrix channel, when compared to IRC channels, is the third largest or so.
[07:04] <lordievader> The main thing is that it connects different protocols together.
[07:05] <lordievader> For the user the different protocols become transparent.
[07:09] <ducasse> i see, so a new protocol is just a plugin?
[07:27] <lordievader> Sort of, I don't know the full details, but that is how I understood it.
[07:27] <lordievader> You can try it out here: https://riot.im/app/
[07:29] <ducasse> i was looking at it now :) also checking out the homeserver, this is interesting stuff. they even have a weechat plugin! \o/
[07:38] <lordievader[m]> Hello
[07:38] <lordievader> \o/
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> oi
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> matrix shell
[07:38] <lordievader> Cool, that works :D
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome tarzeau
[07:39] <tarzeau> re
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome fr0tzed
[07:39] <fr0tzed> hi
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome scythefwd
[07:40] <scythefwd> hola
[07:40] <tarzeau> fr0tzed: is that my? desktop?
[07:41] <lordievader[m]> ducasse: the nice thing is that it gives you push notifications to your phone
[07:41] <fr0tzed> no the cannel
[07:41] <tarzeau> fr0tzed: nope, my desktops look like this: http://www.aiei.ch/gnustep/screenshots/ and http://www.aiei.ch/gnustep/www.levenez.com/
[07:41] <lordievader[m]> We were talking about that yesterday, that 'normal' irc bouncers don't do that.
[07:41] <tarzeau> no i don't have any channels
[07:41] <scythefwd> I keep trying to get lighter and lighter with my wdm.. right now I keep going back and forth between cinnimon and mate for my dm
[07:41] <fr0tzed> you always upload ss of your desktop
[07:42] <tarzeau> fr0tzed: the one with ubuntu/unity is the one for @work, for our users (~1200)
[07:42] <fr0tzed> ah ok
[07:42] <tarzeau> that's what they get when they get their account sheet, and login by default
[07:42] <scythefwd> so you're using it in an enterprise environment?
[07:43] <tarzeau> (meanwhile it's a single icon for system stuff (with right mouse button, context menu) and one for science)
[07:43] <fr0tzed> im not using ubuntu on this laptop :$
[07:43] <scythefwd> how are you maintaining sw baselines for patching?
[07:43] <tarzeau> scythefwd: yes
[07:43] <tarzeau> scythefwd: we run dphys-config and aptitude-robot for the configuration and security updates
[07:43] <tarzeau> and maintain a /opt with scientific software (mathematica, maple, matlab, nonfree stuff) and the rest gets packaged into debian, then moves to ubuntu
[07:44] <tarzeau> (largetifftools, gnudatalanguage, form, lie, just to name a few)
[07:44] <tarzeau> about 120 workstations
[07:44] <scythefwd> oh, thats not that bad then..
[07:44] <scythefwd> I wasnt the admin of it, but we used puppet.. and it looked like a lot more work than it should have been
[07:44] <tarzeau> no, especially we have some very powerful machines (one with 512 GB memory :)
[07:44] <scythefwd> thats not bad.. virtualization host?
[07:44] <fr0tzed> that is some fast shit right here
[07:44] <tarzeau> yeah we also looked at puppet, and it's not like unix, easy and simple
[07:45] <tarzeau> puppet is like samba configuration, and the real unix way would be nfs /etc/exports
[07:45] <scythefwd> we had it on a hadoop cluster with something like 120 nodes
[07:45] <tarzeau> dphys-config was done with the unix way in mind
[07:45] <lordievader[m]> Puppet is quite nice though, especially  when combined with Foreman.
[07:45] <tarzeau> one line, one thing. just works(tm)
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> !info puppet
[07:45] <tarzeau> !info dphys-config
[07:45] <fr0tzed> hey thats a nice bot
[07:45] <tarzeau> !info aptitude-robot
[07:46] <tarzeau> and we're monitoring actively services/hosts https://xymon.phys.ethz.ch/xymon/xymon.html
[07:46] <tarzeau> and the installation of a computer is fully automatic, from netboot with pxe, meanwhile ipxe, and preseeding and disk configuration, filesystems, os install...
[07:46] <tarzeau> gbit internet connected, no firewall
[07:47] <fr0tzed> no firewall?
[07:47] <tarzeau> unfortunately we don't get 10gbit in the offices, only server rooms
[07:47] <tarzeau> yes, no firewall. we want to work :)
[07:47] <tarzeau> all with public ips
[07:47] <scythefwd> we had a few hosts that were running 32 procs with 256 gb of ram on em
[07:47] <fr0tzed> opsec opsec opsec
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-is-coming-to-windows-store
[07:48] <fr0tzed> ubuntu in windows wtf
[07:48] <scythefwd> yeah, is that like a vm or more of teh bash on windows .. haven tfound any more info on it
[07:49] <fr0tzed> ah ok, not using windows at all
[07:49] <scythefwd> I go back and forth.. I'm a windows sys admin for a living, and for some things I feel it has it right, other things.. not so much
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> i dont like that MS loves linux story at all
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> surely a comerical trick to gain popularity
[07:50] <tarzeau> i wonder when people start using swift on linux...
[07:50] <scythefwd> they've had a linux team for years..
[07:50] <fr0tzed> ms win10 is the shittiest of them all
[07:51] <scythefwd> like pre sco unix trying to rape ibm days
[07:51] <scythefwd> why do you say that fr0tzed?
[07:51] <fr0tzed> have you worked with it scythefwd ?
[07:51] <scythefwd> yeah, I have
[07:52] <fr0tzed> well than you knonw what im talking about
[07:52] <fr0tzed> first of all lets start with the privacy policies
[07:52] <scythefwd> both in a small environment of about 2k hosts.. and were looking at deploying to a 20k user environment
[07:52] <scythefwd> hehe.. we lock that down by policy.. drop it on the domain and the security software gets installed..
[07:52] <fr0tzed> may the lord be with u
[07:52] <scythefwd> lol
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[07:53] <fr0tzed> win7 is the best in my opinion
[07:53] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[07:53] <fr0tzed> no marketing bullshit
[07:53] <scythefwd> they were "smart" about it.. using port 80 for a lot of the comms
[07:53] <fr0tzed> really smart
[07:53] <scythefwd> you mean the ads?   I'm guessing your not running an android phone, done use google or bing or yahoo search and wont touch apple devices right?
[07:54] <fr0tzed> i am that guy yes hahaha
[07:55] <fr0tzed> well i have a iphone because its more secure than android phones :)
[07:55] <scythefwd> I'm the guy with a 32gb card in my phone.. have less than 10 aps on it lol
[07:55] <fr0tzed> haha
[07:56] <fr0tzed> Dont trust those companies
[07:56] <scythefwd> I'm using.. .. 10 gb storage lol
[07:56] <fr0tzed> 32 storage on my phone thats enough
[07:57] <scythefwd> ok..brain farting. human readable disk utilization in cli?
[07:57] <fr0tzed> Sinds i read the books of  glenn greenwald and others. getting a bit paranoide
[07:57] <fr0tzed> hehe
[07:57] <scythefwd> and how do I interrupt and kill a program in cli vs. just moving it to a background process?
[07:59] <fr0tzed> pkill pgrep
[07:59] <scythefwd> I know kill -9 pid..
[08:00] <scythefwd> thought there was a simpler way than doing a ps -e |grep  .. especially when I dont know the process name .. just what the gui says it is
[08:00] <fr0tzed> best way to kill ur process is rm -rf /
[08:00] <fr0tzed> :)
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> fr0tzed: dont paste such commands in here plz
[08:00] <scythefwd> got to do that once.. wasn't nearly as fun as I thought it was
[08:01] <fr0tzed> lotuspsychje, we all know that its a joke right
[08:01] <scythefwd> had to blow the box away anyways.. it didnt touch /boot or the kernel
[08:01] <fr0tzed> rip
[08:01] <fr0tzed> gotta go boys, back in 15 min
[08:01] <ducasse> fr0tzed: it's still not allowed, everyone might not know that
[08:04] <fr0tzed> Ah ok srry
[08:04] <scythefwd> the funny thing was.. we had a bunch of linux admins around me.. I was like guys... I always wanted to try this.. I'm gonna do the forbidden command.. and next thing i know.. 5 admins hovering.. they never saw it done either
[08:07] <scythefwd> so.. I've been test driving linux for a week this time.. only booting into windows to access sites that required my pki certs.. to dl the installer to get my linux using my pki (hows that for irony.. usually I boot into linux to get my windows running)
[08:08] <scythefwd> and I'm satisfied the gui is mostly sufficient for the grandma and grandpa type home user.. where do I go now to play with it cli only.. any suggetions? (yes, I know, yall are biased .. obvious answer is ubuntu server right?0
[08:17] <fr0tzed> yeah ubuntu server
[08:17] <fr0tzed> or boot desktop into cli
[08:24] <fr0tzed> get cheap vps and play with it
[08:29] <scythefwd> vps?
[08:33] <fr0tzed> virtual private server?
[08:34] <scythefwd> ah, a vm
[08:34] <fr0tzed> or get a raspberry pi
[08:34] <fr0tzed> i use raspberry pi alot for testing stuff and exploring new things
[08:34] <scythefwd> I'll spin up a vm on my desktop.. it should be sufficient to handle the load
[08:35] <fr0tzed> or a vm indeed
[08:37] <scythefwd> I think I can spare a core or two and 16gb of ram.. that will work for a core install right? O:-)
[08:37] <fr0tzed> how much ram you got jesus
[08:40] <scythefwd> 32 gb
[08:40] <scythefwd> specifically for doing vm's
[08:40] <fr0tzed> 4x8 nice
[08:41] <scythefwd> I'll drop down my running services to pretty much bare minimum, then fire up two or 3 vms to play with
[08:41] <fr0tzed> what are you running? windows right
[08:41] <scythefwd> the os claims I have 8 cpus.. really just 4 with HT
[08:41] <scythefwd> depends on my mood
[08:42] <fr0tzed> dual boot?
[08:42] <scythefwd> but I generally run windows on that box, linux or windows on the laptop
[08:42] <fr0tzed> ah ok
[08:42] <scythefwd> osx on another
[08:42] <scythefwd> I try to stay os agnostic for the most part
[08:43] <scythefwd> had a server for a while that was running ms hyperv server.. its like an esxi server.. but windows based lol
[08:43] <scythefwd> had an install size of a whopping 125mb? or was it 225?
[08:43] <fr0tzed> havent work with hyperv for a long time mostly use esxi
[08:43] <fr0tzed> https://gfycat.com/SecretSimilarDuckbillplatypus
[08:44] <scythefwd> has come a long way from version 2 to version 3.. massive improvement, still has some work to do
[08:44] <fr0tzed> switching like every week from os on my pc
[08:45] <scythefwd> lol.. wonder what interface he had on the backgroun lighting
[08:45] <fr0tzed> looks pretty cool
[08:46] <fr0tzed> but I wont use it
[08:46] <fr0tzed> seems anoying
[08:48] <scythefwd> yup.. the flashing would be annoying.. just wondering if hes using one of the smart led bulbs.. the ones that had the bash vulnerability in them
[08:52] <fr0tzed> maybe
[09:17] <immu> ducasse, EriC^^
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> hey brunch875
[09:27] <brunch875> good late morning!
[09:28] <brunch875> almost half may already, time surely flies
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah almost summertime
[09:30] <scythefwd> man.. I'm gonna be hurting today.. gotta be at work in 3.5 hours
[09:30]  * lordievader[m] has just updated his kernel to 4.11.0
[09:33] <scythefwd> peace folks.. gonna go try and sleep for a couple before I have to adult
[09:39] <brunch875> what's new in 4.11?
[09:39] <lordievader[m]> Haven't really looked. Hoped it would solve my random locking problems.
[09:40] <CoderEurope> lordievader[m], what locking problems ? What os / DE you usin' ?
[09:40] <CoderEurope> lordievader[m], hello ?
[09:41] <lordievader[m]> Gentoo/Plasma5, from one moment to the other, poof. frozen.
[09:41] <lordievader[m]> Must say I have not done any investigation ;)
[09:41] <CoderEurope> gentoo - is sabyon .
[09:41] <CoderEurope> plasma 5 is kde neon
[09:41] <lordievader[m]> I believe it is the other way around.
[09:42] <CoderEurope> how to kde neon plasma 5 ?
[09:42] <lordievader[m]> No, plasma 5 is the name of the DE. KDE Neon is an implementation.
[09:42] <CoderEurope> lordievader[m], your complicating things.
[09:43] <lordievader[m]> Erm, no?
[09:43] <CoderEurope> use sabyon - or ubuntu
[09:43] <lordievader[m]> No, have used Kubuntu in the past, switched for good reasons.
[09:44] <lordievader[m]> I'm satisfied with Gentoo.
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> welcome TomyWork
[09:44] <TomyWork> hi
[09:44] <brunch875> lordievader[m], is much knowledge required to use Gentoo?
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> some ops are active in here also TomyWork
[09:44] <brunch875> I might give it a go some day
[09:44] <CoderEurope> lordievader[m], https://youtu.be/37mWf_MAeJM?t=1m5s
[09:45] <lordievader[m]> brunch875: At first it might be a bit daunting, but you do learn a lot about how Linux works.
[09:45] <lordievader[m]> CoderEurope: ?
[09:45] <lordievader[m]> brunch875: The documentation is quite well written, so if you follow that you should be fine.
[09:45] <brunch875> lordievader[m], I'm fine as long as stuff doesn't break all the time and it doesn't need constant hackery
[09:46] <lordievader[m]> brunch875: It ain't arch :P
[09:46]  * brunch875 chuckles
[09:52] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: as a long-time bsd user, gentoo is nice :) i still prefer arch now, though.
[09:52] <lordievader[m]> ducasse: To each their own ;)
[09:59] <brunch875> I was wondering if I should do LFS first
[10:00] <lordievader[m]> Haven't done LFS myself, but I see the installation as the Gentoo install without the nice tools.
[10:05] <lordievader[m]> ducasse: if you do try it out, let me know of your experience
[11:26] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: try out what - lfs?
[11:27] <lordievader[m]> Yes, I'd like to know how difficult it is/how much you are left to yourself.
[11:28] <lordievader[m]> Hihihi: https://imgur.com/gallery/YPEpj
[11:29] <ducasse> hehe - nice :)
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:30] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: i tried lfs out years ago, you are really on your own. imo i wouldn't use it on anything i intend to use daily, but it's interesting for building a specialized system etc.
[11:31] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse
[11:32] <lordievader[m]> ducasse: I see
[11:32] <lordievader[m]> Hey BluesKaj
[11:32] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader[m] , ok here, and you?
[11:33] <lordievader[m]> Doing good here :)
[11:34] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: it's not really difficult as long as you either know what you're doing or are willing to read docs, but it can be a bit fiddly (if you understand what i mean).
[11:36] <lordievader[m]> Oh yeah.
[11:37] <ducasse> lots of little things you need to think about that would normally be invisible, more or less.
[11:37] <lordievader[m]> Little things like?
[11:39] <ducasse> lordievader[m]: take a look at the index here, it's a ton of things. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:40] <lordievader[m]> Uch, the menu alreadly looks like too much work.
[11:41] <ducasse> you normally don't think about what options to build ncurses with, for example
[11:42] <lordievader[m]> True, in Gentoo the default use flags are usually sufficient.
[11:43] <ducasse> right. this is what you do if you need to tune every little thing, and that's what i meant by 'fiddly'
[11:44] <lordievader[m]> Right, I get it now.
[11:45] <ducasse> it's not really well suited for a daily driver, imo. for that custom box in a closet that monitors whatever, sure.
[11:57] <ducasse> oerheks: how relevant do you think that bug report is now, will the desktop continue to be a first-class citizen at canonical? i'm not entirely convinced of that...
[11:59] <oerheks> me too, i asked SABDFL about adding android to that bugreport, it is declined
[12:02] <ducasse> lol
[12:11] <ducasse> oerheks: out of the areas they said are now the focus it seemed to be almost all server stuff, with iot as a footnote
[12:11] <CoderEurope> maybe i shouldn't ask toddy
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/the-hijacking-flaw-that-lurked-in-intel-chips-is-worse-than-anyone-thought/
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> the whole world is one big backdoor
[12:32] <fr0tzed> sup
[12:39] <EriC^^> j #ubuntu
[12:39] <lordievader[m]> Hey EriC^^
[12:39] <EriC^^> hey lordievader[m]
[12:39] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing?
[12:39] <EriC^^> good thanks, yourself?
[12:40] <lordievader[m]> Bit tired, other than that doing good :)
[12:40] <EriC^^> good :)
[15:25] <immu> ducasse,hi
[16:00] <CoderEurope> dell lappies are trending again on feebay [ 05Dell ] | https://www.ebay.co.uk/trending
[16:00] <CoderEurope> dunno if people shall wake up the dell PPA again thru this ?
[16:52] <immu> .
[17:34] <CoderEurope> Kubuntu testing day | 20:00 UTC today | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHZAH8SZD4E freenode #ubuntu-on-air
[17:36] <immu> .
[17:37] <EriC^^> hey immu
[17:37] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[18:47] <immu> hey eric
[18:47] <immu> i am cool
[18:47] <immu> watchig tv
[20:09] <immu> ducasse, hi
[20:33] <scythefwd> anyone use docky?
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> not me
[20:33] <Bashing-om> nor me ^
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> !info docky | scythefwd mean this right?
[20:34] <scythefwd> yes
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: what about it?
[20:35] <scythefwd> installed it, no docklets installed
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: okay?
[20:36] <scythefwd> trying to find out how to install them
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: for ubuntu questions you can join #ubuntu right
[20:37] <scythefwd> didnt think this was as much ubuntu related as its not part of the default distro install
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: well if docky hasnt a special channel or so, it still is an official ubuntu package, so its supported
[20:40] <scythefwd> gotcha
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> scythefwd: but maybe this can help? http://wiki.go-docky.com/index.php%3Ftitle%3DList_of_docklets
[20:44] <scythefwd> lists them, but doesnt show how to install them
[20:45] <lotuspsychje> its been a long time i played with it
[20:45] <ducasse> scythefwd: did you look in /usr/share/docs/docky, for instance? might be something there. or search for a homepage or archive of it. but lotus is right, this isn't a support channel.
[20:46] <scythefwd> thats what I'm doing now is pouring over the wiki
[20:48] <scythefwd> well, off to #ubuntu
[20:48] <lotuspsychje> evening xangua
[20:49] <xangua> Hey
[20:49] <xangua> No word on #yunit for days
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> xangua: #ubports pretty dead calm aswell...
[21:01] <lotuspsychje> hmmm alot of flickering issues these days in main
[21:15] <ducasse> seems to be with later intel systems, often
[21:16] <lotuspsychje_> we had an amd guy this morning also
[21:16] <lotuspsychje_> with an R9 card
[21:38] <lotuspsychje> nite


[07:05] <Kilos> morning africa
[18:05]  * QA going down for a kernel update.. wbb in a jiffy
[18:14] <Kilos> QA  wb
[18:14] <QA> Kilos: What?
[18:15] <Kilos> QA  wb
[18:15] <QA> Thank you so much Kilos my good friend


[00:51] <_hopex> jrib: are the updates necesary or recommended?
[00:51] <jrib> hi
[00:51] <jrib> depends on the update
[00:52] <jrib> it would be updates directly from innotek
[00:52] <jrib> basically, whenever they put a new .deb on their website, you don't have to go check for it and download it yourself
[00:54] <_hopex> and if I donwload the .deb file would it onstall another copy or update the existing one?
[00:54] <jrib> update
[00:55] <jrib> it would be like windows
[00:55] <_hopex> I'll try it by now... And check if it works usefully fast.
[00:55] <jrib> you check the website for a new version, download it and install it.   Instead of letting the package manager do all the work and then ask you if you want to update
[00:56] <_hopex> I need 10240 Mb is that 1Gb or 10Gb ?
[00:57] <jrib> closer to 10...
[00:57] <_hopex> oh...
[00:57] <_hopex> I'm running out of space...
[00:58] <_hopex> how can I check the available space in the system?
[00:58] <jrib> df -h
[00:58] <jrib> or applications -> accessories -> disk usage analyzer
[00:58] <_hopex> ok, but how can I know wich is the dev Im using?
[00:59] <jrib> you can check the output of 'mount'
[00:59] <_hopex> sorry, I seeI have 5,9 G free
[01:00] <_hopex> Would virtual box run with, let's say 2Gb or 3 max?
[01:01] <jrib> ram?
[01:01] <_hopex> I have 11 Gb free in a NTFS partition. Wich it isnt good for this purpose, is it usefull?
[01:01] <_hopex> I wish it was RAM :D
[01:01] <jrib> you can *probably* use the ntfs space
[01:02] <_hopex> what if it is not good? Would my data be broken? How can I make sure?
[01:03] <_hopex> or can I use the 3Gb ??
[01:06] <jrib> _hopex: if windows fits on 3gb, sure
[01:07] <_hopex> jrib: not sure what to do. Using the NTFS would be more suitable for my because i guess I'll need the space for linux. But if the data of that partition brakes, I have no backup? What would you choose?
[01:08] <jrib> _hopex:  I do not use ntfs and do would not write to it on linux without backups
[01:09] <jrib> darren: first we need a mount point for the drive, so: sudo mkdir /media/sdb1
[01:09] <jrib> darren: or name it whatever you want but be consistent
[01:10] <_hopex> I have backup for linux so, lets push new and use a couple of GB for windows. One question, does virtual box make a big file or a directory tree?
[01:10] <darren> jrib: ok
[01:10] <jrib> _hopex: one big file
[01:11] <_hopex> wait a second... I have another machine with 76Gb free! That's the one!
[01:11] <_hopex> I'll install virtual box in that one, older machine. So I can try before risking the laptop hd.
[01:12] <jrib> _hopex: good idea
[01:12] <jrib> darren: done with that?
[01:12] <darren> jrib: yup
[01:12] <jrib> darren: pastebin output of 'mount' for me real quick
[01:13] <darren> jrib: http://pastebin.com/d36ba3cb0
[01:13] <_hopex> i cannot copy to the shared folder, ho w do I do that from a console?
[01:14] <jrib> _hopex: what shared folder?
[01:14] <jrib> darren: k, now edit your fstab: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:15] <_hopex> i wanted to copy the deb file to the samba shared dir in the old machine, but not working
[01:15] <jrib> darren: add the line: UUID=6CEC2EDEEC2EA276 /media/sdb1 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[01:15] <_hopex> anyway, I will add the repository and install by apt-get
[01:15] <jrib> _hopex: oh, I know nothing about samba, maybe ask #ubuntu again
[01:16] <darren> jrib: so if I called the drive windows my line would read? UUID=6CEC2EDEEC2EA276 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[01:17] <_hopex> anyway wich is the repositiry file /etc/apt??
[01:17] <jrib> _hopex: /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:17] <jrib> darren: exactly
[01:17] <_hopex> thanx
[01:18] <darren> jrib: ok done
[01:19] <jrib> darren: now 'sudo mount -a'
[01:19] <jrib> oh, we forgot one thing
[01:19] <jrib> to give you permission...
[01:19] <jrib> darren: how do you want the permissions setup?
[01:21] <darren> jrib: I don't know what my options are.. I guess I want my user to have full access, I don't want to have to be fooling around with root stuff on that drive at all
[01:22] <jrib> darren: k, you don't have other users on the computer so no reason to setup a group with access?
[01:22] <darren> jrib: nope, just myself.
[01:23] <jrib> k, what is the output of 'id'?
[01:23] <darren> uid=1000(darren) gid=1000(darren) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(scanner),108(lpadmin),110(admin),115(netdev),117(powerdev),1000(darren)
[01:24] <jrib> ok, so to the options column for this ntfs drive, add "uid=1000,gid=1000".  Paste the line here afterwards
[01:26] <darren> jrib: so my line would look like UUID=6CEC2EDEEC2EA276 /media/Windows ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0
[01:26] <_hopex> jrib: i have added the repository and the key. Also updated apt. How do I install virtual box now?
[01:27] <jrib> darren: yes, but make sure you capitalized the 'W' when you used mkdir too as linux is case-sensitive
[01:27] <_hopex> jrib: is the package name vbox?
[01:27] <darren> jrib: yes, made sure of that.
[01:27] <jrib> _hopex: sudo aptitude install virtualbox, or add/remove or synaptic for a gui.  But, since you already installed the deb it probably will not do anything
[01:28] <jrib> _hopex: virtualbox
[01:28] <jrib> darren: did you run 'sudo umount -a' last time?
[01:28] <darren> jrib: yes
[01:28] <darren> jrib: err no I didn't unmount sorry
[01:29] <jrib> darren: k, good, run in now then
[01:29] <jrib> s/in/it
[01:29] <_hopex> jrib: I am installing in the old machine, running ubuntu too
[01:29] <_hopex> It`s donwloading... 10%
[01:29] <darren> jrib: I saw you say earlier its unreliable to write to an NTFS drive in linux without a backup... is that right?
[01:30] <_hopex> btw, what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get?
[01:30] <jrib> darren: that's my personal belief but many people have been doing so for a while.  I do know that MS has not released any specs for ntfs so even though the people behind it have done a great job, they still have to fight with MS
[01:32] <jrib> _hopex: not much now, but aptitude remembers dependencies installed.  So if you install A and it pulls in B, then if you remove A, it will remove B if nothing else needs it.  apt-get does this with auto-remove now
[01:32] <darren> jrib: what a surprise... ms not co-operating.   Ok, thank you very much for your help and patience with a VERY newbie :)
[01:35] <_hopex> jrib: it's good to know the difference
[01:41] <_hopex> jrib: Creating group vboxusers. Users of vbox must be member of that group in order to have write permission to /dev&vboxdrv. Otherwise starting VMs not be possible. How do I add actual user to that group? addgrp username groupname??
[01:43] <jrib> adduser or addgroup
[01:43] <_hopex> Im in the user and groups windows inside System Preferences. I choose the my no.root user and then? Or is it better to use the console?
[01:44] <jrib> "better" is subjective but I usually prefer it and it is easier to communicate on irc using console commands
[01:44] <_hopex> I added my.user to the vboxdrv group, with the window
[01:44] <jrib> you mean vboxusers?
[01:45] <_hopex> thats it. sorry,
[01:45] <jrib> you'll need to log out and back in for that to take effect I believe
[01:46] <_hopex> the VirtualBox Icon is missing, there was a menu icon when I installed the .deb package
[01:46] <jrib> not in system tools at all?
[01:46] <_hopex> nop
[01:46] <jrib> run 'killall gnome-panel'
[01:47] <_hopex> now it is. cool
[01:47] <_hopex> login logout?
[01:47] <jrib> yep
[01:49] <_hopex> done
[01:51] <_hopex> base memory 192Mb, is that allright?
[01:51] <jrib> yep
[01:51] <_hopex> new..
[01:52] <_hopex> dynamic...
[01:52] <_hopex> 10 Gb...
[01:53] <_hopex> Finish. is that allright?
[01:58] <jrib> yep
[01:59] <_hopex> done
[01:59] <_hopex> now i have to installl
[02:06] <_hopex> it's working... cool :)
[02:07] <_hopex> NTFS or FAT?
[02:10] <_hopex> jrib: NTS (fast) or just NTFS? Will it affect the performance?
[02:11] <jrib> _hopex: I don't know what NTS (fast) is
[02:13] <_hopex> jrib, Windows installation asks for formatting options, and it asks FAT or NTFS and if you want Fast formatting or normal. As It`s a clear "partition" I have selected fast format. Now it is copying 27%
[02:16] <_hopex> jrib: I see the Video Memory for the XP virtual box is just 8Mb, wont this limit the screen view? Can I change that?
[02:17] <_hopex> jrib: I want to use some graphical tools, that aren't still for linux, that`s why I'm installing the vbox and asking this question.
[02:20] <_hopex> jrib: it's really cool to see this win install in a small windows :D xD XD
[02:23] <_hopex> the innotek team has done a great job
[02:25] <_hopex> jrib: do I need to install the drivers and stuff after install, or they won't work or something?
[02:32] <jrib> _hopex: you should install guest additions
[02:32] <jrib> then you can use fullscreen etc
[02:35] <_hopex> WinXP is starting now...
[02:36] <_hopex> all is black.... Wellcome
[02:38] <_hopex> there it is the Messenger... oh my god!
[02:39] <_hopex> ok it is working, more or less. So if I install GPU drivers will there by any video issue?
[02:41] <_hopex> jrib: I will try
[02:43] <_hopex> jrib does the WinXP allways appear in all desktops at the same time?
[02:51] <_hopex> jrib: One important question. How can I copy stuff from "c:" or to "c:" ?
[03:11] <_hopex> jrib: vbox got a really goof help file.
[03:12] <_hopex> see you


[00:18] <killown> there is a logical explanation of why OSS emulation was removed from ubuntu?
[07:21] <micahg> slangasek: libtool can't seem to find .la files in the multiarch paths, I don't see a bug filed yet, is it on your radar or should I file a bug?
[07:21] <slangasek> micahg: that's probably a bug in a build-dependency of whatever you're building, for having a non-empty dependency_libs referencing another .la file by absolute path
[07:22] <slangasek> micahg: can you point me at a specific failure?
[07:22] <micahg> slangasek: I was building the new gnome-chemistry-utils, I could pastebin the failure if you want
[07:23] <slangasek> yes please
[07:24] <slangasek> the thing is, even if libtool can't find .la files, it doesn't *need* them when building packages; so the bug is in whichever build-dependency carries the hard-coded path pointing at something which has moved
[07:24] <micahg> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/582804/
[07:27] <slangasek> micahg: the buggy reference is in libgtkglext1-dev, which should be fixed to clean out dependency_libs at build time; can you file a bug against this package?
[07:28] <micahg> slangasek: yes
[07:28] <slangasek> micahg: you can assign it to me if you like; the change required is simple, examples can be found in gnome-pkg-tools' clean-la.mk
[07:29] <micahg> slangasek: I can give it a shot I guess
[07:29] <micahg> slangasek: BTW, how were you able to tell which file was the issue?
[07:30] <slangasek> micahg: apt-get build-dep $pkg; grep dependency_libs.*atk /usr/lib/*.la
[07:30] <micahg> ah, ok
[07:32] <nigelb> someone ask sabdfl to fix his connection :)
[07:35] <micahg> slangasek: can I just include that file in debian/rules and add a build-dep on gnome-pkg-tools?
[07:36] <micahg> oh, nm, that's a bad idea
[07:36] <slangasek> micahg: I wouldn't because the package is not otherwise using cdbs or the gnome packaging style
[07:37]  * cdbs is not being used
[07:37] <slangasek> better to simply copy the command into gtkglext's install: target
[07:38] <micahg> slangasek: ok
[07:39] <cdbs> Looks like sabdfl is on an unstable connection. /ignore joins
[07:39] <nigelb> someone k-line him :P
[07:39] <cdbs> nigelb: well, the operator-way to that is to banforward to ##fix_your_connection, but he's an exception :)
[07:40] <nigelb> cdbs: I know that
[07:47] <micahg> slangasek: hmm, that just seemed to generate new hard coded paths
[07:47] <slangasek> micahg: shouldn't, if you're running it after calling the upstream install rule
[07:59] <micahg> slangasek: I added lines 9-16 here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/582808/
[08:01] <slangasek> micahg: ah, the .la files aren't under debian/libgtkglext1-dev at this point, they'll be in debian/tmp instead
[08:01] <micahg> slangasek: I was using debian/*/usr before and it didn't work either
[08:02] <slangasek> (more exactly, they'll be in $(DTMPDIR))
[08:02] <slangasek> hmm, really?  let me see
[08:12] <sabdfl> weird
[08:12] <slangasek> micahg: the use of $(wildcard) is wrong here; that causes the * to be evaluated when the install: rule is run, when what we actually want is for the shell to expand it when called.  i.e.: http://paste.ubuntu.com/582811/
[08:13]  * slangasek waves to sabdfl
[08:13] <sabdfl> hey slangasek
[08:13] <sabdfl> multi-arch greasing into the home base, I see!
[08:13] <slangasek> yep :)
[08:13] <sabdfl> well done
[08:13] <slangasek> thanks!
[08:14] <micahg> slangasek: do I need to worry about the second multiarch part?
[08:14] <slangasek> micahg: I wouldn't worry about it, that's really something that whoever converts gtkglext for multiarch should take care of
[08:14] <micahg> slangasek: got it, thanks, can I upload if it works?
[08:15] <slangasek> micahg: certainly
[11:05] <AnAnt> Hello, are gtk2 & gtk3 API compatible ?
[11:08] <cdbs> AnAnt: not completely
[11:08] <cdbs> AnAnt: There are migration guides on gtk.org
[11:09] <cdbs> AnAnt: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk3/3.0/migrating.html
[11:09] <AnAnt> thanks
[11:13] <AnAnt> btw, which libs are installed by default in Natty ? Gtk2 or 3 ?
[11:27] <debfx> ScottK: could you please ack bug #738647
[13:12] <ScottK> debfx: Done.  Once it's backported it'll hit New, so feel free to ping me to review it there when it lands.
[13:25] <ari-tczew> java on natty again is broken :/
[14:49] <cyberix_> Is there a live system on the web that could be used to check ssl keys against the openssl-blacklist?
[15:03] <debfx> ScottK: thanks, will do
[16:09] <ManateeLazyCat> Hey, guys, i'm writing package manager, how to get all mirror list at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors ? I know i can click to get mirror address, but i wonder have a way get *all* mirror address directly?
[16:09] <ManateeLazyCat> Thanks! :)
[16:19] <Daviey> bdrung, Merge updated for ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:34] <geser> any TB member available by chance to moderate my mail to the TB mailing list?
[17:23] <cjwatson> geser: done
[18:20] <bdrung> Daviey: someday i will extent sponsor-patch to work on syncs too
[18:20] <Daviey> bdrung, yeah, i've never used sponsor-patch - but i did take a quick sniff at it..  I think i need to try it in anger before i can look to extend it. :)
[18:22] <Daviey> bdrung,  it does look cleaner, my patch for ack-sync was really to get it working for a specific bug i was encountering.. and seemed a good idea to push it.
[18:22] <bdrung> Daviey: half of ack-sync should be rewritten.
[18:23] <bdrung> Daviey: sponsor-patch does the correct thing in many places. it ask when there are multiple tasks / patches. it ask to upload it and gives you links to lintian / build log
[18:23] <Daviey> yeah.. i can see that.. It looks like some of the crap i'm currently working on...  Good proof of concept, but trash - rewrite and use it as a reference. :)
[18:24] <bdrung> instead of rewrite, just extend sponsor-patch
[18:24] <bdrung> ;)
[18:26] <Daviey> bdrung, Well yes, that is what i meant :)...
[20:01] <Eren> I've installed binary ATI drivers, 11.2. However, all the files are gone into /usr/lib/fglrx (including libraries, x modules, etc.)
[20:01] <Eren> I've set module path to /usr/lib/fglrx on X, however, these modules in fglrx directory searches for libraries in /usr/lib/fglrx/
[20:02] <Eren> unfortunately, setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH before "service gdm start" does not work
[20:02] <Eren> there are similar problems on the net with workarounds, but these workarounds do not work as well, any ideas?
[20:03] <Chipzz> Eren: try #ubuntu-x
[20:03] <Chipzz> also, keep in mind that it's weekend
[20:04] <Eren> Chipzz: thanks
[20:04] <Eren> Chipzz: oh, yes :) I know it's more like a power-user question but wiki is old-dated imho
[20:04] <Chipzz> Eren: and keep in mind that only packages are supported
[20:04] <Chipzz> if you manually install drivers from ATI's site, you're on your own I think
[20:04] <Eren> Chipzz: yep
[20:05] <Eren> but X does not take "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" into account, this is the problem right now
[20:05] <Eren> does that count?
[20:05] <Chipzz> no
[20:05] <Chipzz> because I doubt that LD_LIBRARY_PATH does what you think it does
[20:06] <Eren> Chipzz: I see from Xorg.0.log that "dlopen: libatiuki.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[20:06] <Eren> whereas, this file is present in /usr/lib/fglrx directory
[20:07] <Chipzz> yes, but if X dlopen's the driver with an absolute path, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not taken into account
[20:07] <Chipzz> like I said, you may *think* LD_LIBRARY_PATH does sth it very likely does NOT
[20:08] <Chipzz> anyway I'm not an expert on X
[20:08] <Chipzz> so better ask on #ubuntu-x
[20:10] <Eren> Chipzz: thank you
[20:24] <slangasek> apw: has lool coordinated with you around the next gcc-4.5 upload?  we need at least one more upload before beta
[20:40] <apw> slangasek, actually leann is in charge for the next few weeks, i am on vacation
[20:40] <slangasek> apw: ah, ok
[20:40] <slangasek> ogasawara: ping
[21:45] <ogasawara> slangasek: hi, what's up
[21:46] <ogasawara> slangasek: so when do you anticipate the gcc upload prior to beta?  just so I have an idea of when I'll need to re upload the kernel.
[21:52] <slangasek> ogasawara: well, I had the impression from apw that he wanted a break from the gcc reuploads... I can probably get it uploaded today/tomorrow if that's ok
[21:55] <mr_pouit> slangasek: hi, I've a strange ftbfs on amd64 with xfce4-settings (when preparing a new upload) because of dbus: "
[21:55] <mr_pouit> oups
[21:55] <mr_pouit> "/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h:29:33: fatal error: dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h: No such file or directory"
[21:56] <mr_pouit> it seems that the cflags don't include the correct -I
[21:56] <mr_pouit> (probably related to multiarch)
[21:57] <slangasek> mr_pouit: sorry about that - looking at it now
[22:02] <mr_pouit> thanks! :) (I found in the .pc "-I${prefix}/lib/dbus-1.0/include" which should probably be "-I${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include", but I'm not sure if my chroot is in good shape or not)
[22:03] <slangasek> you're right, it's exactly that; I should have noticed the sed was wrong
[22:05] <slangasek> heh, in fact the sed seems to be completely wrong now; it should just not change anything
[22:05] <slangasek> ogasawara: (hi again :) well, I had the impression from apw that he wanted a break from the gcc reuploads... I can probably get it uploaded today/tomorrow if that's ok
[22:13] <ogasawara> slangasek: ideally we didn't want to have to do any more uploads before beta freeze, but there's always exceptions.  if you can get it uploaded today or early tomorrow that'd be good.  Then I'll get a no-change upload of the kernel ready.
[22:13] <slangasek> ogasawara: ack
[22:21] <slangasek> mr_pouit: new dbus uploaded
[22:28] <mr_pouit> slangasek: Nice, thanks for the fast response.
[22:30] <slangasek> mr_pouit: n/p - please shout if you run into any other regressions


[01:30] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3742 /trunk/ (10 files in 9 dirs): changing the address that documents are installed in
[01:30] <mdke> man you're fast CIA-4
[01:33] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3743 debian/changelog: meh
[02:39] <poningru> bwhahahaha
[12:21] <AJIJOELA> nadie sabe donde puedo conseguir info del bind9
[12:21] <AJIJOELA> o alguien que me pueda apoyar
[06:21] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3744 /trunk/Makefile:
[06:21] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Removed the PDF from the website: section for building.
[06:21] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: This fixes the building which seems to have stopped
[06:21] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: January 27, 2007. Tested and works, just note to add PDF
[06:21] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: at a later date if needed.
[06:22] <nixternal> interesting, sorry about that spam


[08:48] <dminca> Hello everyone
[08:48] <dminca> has anyone manage to make a PPA out of personal ?dotfiles
[08:49] <dminca> I would like to see some sample projects on personal dotfiles, just so I would get the gist of packaging them
[10:34] <melodie> hello
[10:34] <melodie> I meet with an issue with geany in Xenial. Since a few days when I launch it it does not show, and it starts a process that eats almost all the RAM. I'd like to do a strace before reporting it : how do I end the command line to make it write the output to a file?
[10:38] <dminca> melodie: command > output_file_name
[10:42] <melodie> hi dminca : no need of something looking like "2 >&" or "2& >" or the kind?
[10:42] <melodie> strace can be tricky
[10:42] <dminca> nah
[10:43] <jtaylor> just use the -o file option of strace
[10:43] <dminca> > is to overwrite
[10:43] <dminca> >> is to append
[10:43] <dminca> ...yeah, or that.
[11:04] <melodie> ok, I reported a bug against Geany
[16:10] <dminca> what's the difference between httpd and apache ?
[16:16] <maswan> apache is a free software project/foundation. apache httpd is their most famous software. also, httpd can be a non-apache http daemon too.
[16:20] <dminca> httpd can also be a proxy ?
[16:44] <infinity> dminca: Some httpd servers can only proxy, some httpd servers can only server local content, and some (like apache httpd) can do both.
[16:44] <infinity> s/only server/only serve/
[16:45] <infinity> dminca: These aren't really appropriate questions for a development channel, FWIW.
[16:56] <dminca> ok, thanks infinity
[18:00] <JanC> there are even httpd servers who can do neither
[22:25] <mwhudson> @pilot out
[22:25] <mwhudson> (only about a week late)


[21:57] <Unit193> Well, xfce4-doclike-plugin has more commits than I thought, this is a bit cumbersome.
[22:40] <Unit193> Would anyone mind if I dropped Bionic from https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras ?


[04:45] <bduk> Morning peeps
[05:13] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: "sudo apt-get purge minetest*" That won't try and expand in the shell?
[06:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> theblazehen: actually no, and interestingly enough i've never even realised before that its weird
[06:06] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy and others
[06:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> although if you happen to have any files in your current dir that match the glob,but the files don't match any package names, then you get an error
[06:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/view/s2j99f5O8D <-- like that
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> of course, the correct answer is to always quote arguments where you don't want bash globbing them
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo apt-get purge 'minetest*'
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> so Kilos have you decorated your whole house with paintings and installed a bunch of appliances already? :-)
[06:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> and built a mesecons door that opens when you walk near it
[06:14] <Kilos> haha no man i have to find flowers or something to mmake coloured stuff
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[06:15] <Kilos> there is just too much to work through
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've been stocking up on flowers for ages
[06:15] <Kilos> ah
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'll see i have a bunch around my house
[06:15] <Kilos> yeah
[06:15] <Kilos> i only planted a few
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> every now and then i pick all but 1 of each colour then after a while they spread again
[06:16] <Kilos> oh they spread automatically?
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[06:16] <Kilos> cool
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.minetest.net/Flower
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.minetest.net/Group:flora
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> so basically plant them on grass, make sure there's enough space around them and they will spread slowly
[06:18] <Kilos> didnt worry much about flowers because i dont plant much that doesnt bear fruit
[06:18] <Kilos> in real life that is
[06:18] <Kilos> apart from herbs of course
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> i still want to try placing a lot of dirt in an underground cavern and then have a lot of super glow glass above it, i'm pretty sure it'll grow grass
[06:18] <Kilos> oh you havent seen
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> seen what?
[06:19] <Kilos> bart got tired of the long trip up for wood so he complained and i had to go make him an area with his own wood down there
[06:19] <Kilos> lemme find screenshot
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> haha
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> wood is easy though it grows in the dark
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> grass and flowers need light
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> you must make a chest at your house with a teleporting tube and another down the mineshaft, then you can teleport stuff down there
[06:22] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/screenshot_284335666-v81hc0qG.png
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol nice
[06:22] <Kilos> i put lotsa lights but thats also where all that mese was
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> trees don't need light, just so you know for future
[06:23] <Kilos> 3 more piles apart from that last shot of the blocks and mese
[06:23] <Kilos> ty
[06:23] <Kilos> without light ill keep walking into them hehe
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, something else i noticed from the changelog
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> - Punch bones to pickup items, drop them if no space for bones
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> so it seems you can just click your bones to pick up all the items contained in them
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i haven't tested though
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> easier than transferring one stack at a time
[06:25] <Kilos> yeah that was big work
[06:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> they also added desert cobblestone but i think that only affects newly-generated worlds
[06:26] <Kilos> i just get a blue screen with clouds
[06:27] <Kilos> need to restrt it i think
[06:29] <Kilos> it keeps telling me i should upgrade my client
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> no it doesn't, read it properly
[06:31] <Kilos> please note that the server has been updated, you should probably update your client too
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, ok maybe i should add "if you have not already done so", happy? :-p
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> i thought i was being helpful
[06:33] <Kilos> hahaha oh that was you
[06:48] <Kilos> spinza, ping
[06:49] <Kilos> wow had a fat upgrade on 14.04 kde last night, 550m
[06:50] <Kilos> oh ThatGraemeGuy i gave you the wrong link for that mirror
[06:50] <Kilos> sorry
[06:50] <Kilos> http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za
[06:50] <Kilos> i think i said neurology
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> np, i'm using the mirror:// scheme now
[06:51] <Kilos> oh and our mirror is fixed again
[06:51] <Kilos> might have been upgrading
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:34] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[07:34] <Kilos> yo jabberwockya19_
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Gremble dont grumble
[07:36] <Gremble> hey Kilos
[07:36] <Vince-0> o/
[08:02] <Kilos> hi bushtech brrrr ne
[08:02] <charl> so des ne
[08:03] <Kilos> whats that mean charl
[08:03] <charl> hi Kilos, Gremble, ThatGraemeGuy
[08:03] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:03] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:03] <charl> Kilos: japanese "so, that's how it is, ne"
[08:03] <charl> actually it means "so, yes that is how it is, ne"
[08:03] <Kilos> ah
[08:04] <Kilos> koko ni hon ga arimasu ka
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[08:04] <charl> is there a book here ?
[08:05] <Kilos> 2where is the book if i remember right from over 40 years ago
[08:05] <Kilos> hehe
[08:05] <Kilos> hi Rynomster
[08:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:07] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:07] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[08:07] <charl> vi Vince-0, Rynomster
[08:07] <charl> ls
[08:07] <charl> sorry, wrong window
[08:08] <charl> and *hi
[08:20] <Vince-0> what's uup
[08:57] <Kilos> definitely not the temperature
[08:58] <Kilos> Maaz, sing mtn
[08:58] <Maaz> Come on summer, Come on
[09:10] <Vince-0> ha
[09:10] <Vince-0> they got that stupid meerkat again
[09:15] <charl> advertisement ?
[09:17] <charl> i love my byobu setup right now http://i.imgur.com/7ZStCUq.png
[09:17] <charl> i name each tab according to the irc network it's running in
[09:58] <Symmetria> can someone do me a favour and ftp to ubuntu-releases.mirror.liquidtelecom.com
[09:59] <Symmetria> and attempt to pull one of the ISO's
[09:59] <Symmetria> and just let me know if its working properly
[10:01] <charl> Symmetria: on it
[10:02] <charl> Symmetria: working fine it's just *really* slow
[10:02] <charl> Symmetria: i'm getting less than 1MBps
[10:03] <charl> ah now it's slowly starting to climb, hitting 1,5MBps now
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> getting in the region of 3MB/sec
[10:05] <charl> hmm lemme do a mtr
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> around 6-7MB/sec now
[10:05] <Kilos> wow thats fast ThatGraemeGuy
[10:05] <charl> only about 8 hops, shouldn't be that bad, latency around 170ms
[10:06] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: you are talking about megaByte right, not megabit?
[10:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[10:06] <charl> yeah that's more than fair
[10:06] <Symmetria> thats nifty, on what link are you on and where are you based
[10:06] <Symmetria> I did a test to UFS in bloemfontein and was getting 40MBytes/second as well
[10:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> I work at Hetzner :)
[10:07] <Symmetria> can you do a tracroute and paste it to me?
[10:07] <Symmetria> Im just verifying everything
[10:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2014-07-10 12:08:02 (4,26 MB/s) - ‘ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso’ saved [1010827264]
[10:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> md5sum checks out
[10:08] <Symmetria> thats decent
[10:08] <Symmetria> can you gimme a trace to the server?
[10:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/raw/s2WXY9qqYE
[10:09] <Symmetria> charl, heh, I can give you some settings to apply to your box to re-test if you want that shold make it a shitload faster :P
[10:10] <charl> Symmetria: yes please
[10:10] <Symmetria> how much ram is in your box?
[10:10] <charl> Symmetria: 4 GB
[10:11] <Symmetria> ok, gonna give you some settings, I would suggest you revert back to the old settings after the test though
[10:11] <Symmetria> cause you don't have the ram to run these settings long term
[10:11] <Symmetria> net.core.rmem_max = 67108864
[10:11] <Symmetria> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096        131072   33554432
[10:11] <Symmetria> net.core.wmem_max = 67108864
[10:11] <Symmetria> net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096        131072   33554432
[10:11] <Symmetria> set that and then try the download again
[10:11] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:11] <charl> hmmm ok
[10:11] <Symmetria> sysctl -a |grep on those and save the old values
[10:11] <Symmetria> so you can revert back afterwards
[10:11] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:16] <Symmetria> let me know what those settings do to the transfer speed
[10:22] <charl> interesting, right at the start it shot up to about 7MBps and then dropped down to what it was (1,5MBps)
[10:24] <charl> restarted the wget, a couple of times, now it stays slow - irratically moves between 1,5MBps and 700KBps
[10:25] <charl> ok deleted the file and am starting over, so that i can get a good average speed indication
[10:38] <charl> 2014-07-10 12:36:05 (1,46 MB/s) - ‘ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso’ saved [1010827264]
[10:39] <charl> that was the result of: wget -c ftp://ubuntu-releases.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:40] <charl> just to double check:
[10:40] <charl> charl@charl-laptop:~$ sudo sysctl -a|grep -E "(rmem_max|tcp_rmem|wmem_max|tcp_wmem)"
[10:40] <charl> net.core.rmem_max = 67108864
[10:40] <charl> net.core.wmem_max = 67108864
[10:40] <charl> net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096	131072	33554432
[10:40] <charl> net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096	131072	33554432
[10:42] <charl> if i download ubuntu from a local mirror using the same settings:
[10:42] <charl> 2014-07-10 12:42:13 (30,5 MB/s) - ‘ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso’ saved [1010827264]
[10:48] <charl> retrying now under my old settings
[10:49] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:49] <Symmetria> charm you didnt adjust the net.core.rmem_max
[10:49] <Symmetria> thats still 6.7 meg
[10:49] <Symmetria> or if you did,, its missing a didgi
[10:49] <Symmetria> in which case I screwed up
[10:49] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:50] <Symmetria> oh no, thats right
[10:50] <Symmetria> charl, very strange
[10:50] <Symmetria> you should get better performance than that
[10:50] <Symmetria> way better
[10:50] <Symmetria> what kernel version
[10:50] <Symmetria> and is that 14.04?
[10:50] <charl> charl@charl-laptop:~$ uname -a
[10:50] <charl> Linux charl-laptop 3.13.0-30-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 4 21:40:53 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:50] <charl> yes ubuntu 14.04
[10:50] <Symmetria> very odd
[10:51] <Symmetria> cause I tested to manchester and was getting 40MBytes/second with those settings
[10:51] <Symmetria> tested to Brussels and same thing
[10:51] <charl> maybe it's the route it's taking
[10:51] <charl> i'll paste you a mtr in PM
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> charl: lsb_release -a
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> ;-)
[10:57] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: i just cat /etc/issue ;)
[10:58] <Symmetria> heh wheee
[10:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> meow
[10:59] <Symmetria> I managed to do 400mbit/seond from that server to tenet machines
[11:24] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: you work at hetzner? this vps i'm irc'ing from is also hosted at hetzner
[11:24] <charl> good hosting company
[11:24] <charl> and cheap :)
[11:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> heztner germany
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> hetzner even
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> we don't do virtual stuff in SA
[11:26] <charl> yes of course, i live next to germany :)
[11:26] <charl> you don't do virtualisation? you would be one of the very few companies that have not gotten into that
[11:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[14:23] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[14:24] <Cantide> hello~
[14:36] <Cantide> good night! lol
[14:36] <Kilos> haha
[14:36] <Kilos> sleep tight
[14:36] <Kilos> ai!
[16:11] <theblazehen> Cryptography is hard :(
[16:33] <Kilos> the morte you do it the easier it will get
[17:14] <charl> hi psychicist
[17:14] <charl> theblazehen: what you doing?
[17:21] <theblazehen> charl: own mesh network thing
[17:21] <theblazehen> Trying to encrypt multiple kilobytes with public key crypto
[17:23] <theblazehen> I probably shouldn't be implementing crypto...
[18:06] <charl> theblazehen: don't you just use an existing crypto library ?
[18:06] <charl> i've done it lots of times it's really simple
[18:06] <charl> do all your rsa/dsa, aes etc, blowfish whatever you want
[18:17] <theblazehen> charl: I'm using pycrypto
[18:17] <theblazehen> But need to encrypt largish amount of data with public key crypto
[18:18] <theblazehen> So I'm now splitting it in 128 byte chunks, encrypting them and joining them
[18:27] <theblazehen> night all
[18:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo peeps
[18:31] <theblazehen> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[18:36] <gmb> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BetterBugSubscriptionsAndNotifications
[18:36] <gmb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs?field.tag=story-better-bug-notification
[18:54] <pcjc2> wrong forum, I know.. but why does the Ubuntu One not yet use the new Ubuntu branding and font?
[20:10] <lifeless> pcjc2: no idea sorry :)
[20:10] <lifeless> #ubuntuone might be better
[20:14] <lifeless> http://sqlformat.appspot.com/
[20:14] <lifeless> stub: ^
[20:18] <gmb> allenap`: Around?
[20:26] <thumper> leonardr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bugs?field.tag=recipe
[20:26] <timrc> is it possible to contact a launchpad team (the functionality +contactuser provides) via e-mail?
[20:29] <wgrant> timrc: Yes -- but only if you are in the team, and the team does not have a contact address set.
[20:39] <timrc> wgrant: cool.. so it would just be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:48] <gmb> gary_poster, danilos, bac, benji: lp:~gmb/+junk/subscription-widget-mockups/
[20:51] <lifeless> thumper: now if you're interested
[20:54] <wgrant> timrc: Ah, I misunderstood you. You can't use an email client to do it; you have to do it from within Launchpad itself.
[20:54] <timrc> wgrant: ah darn
[20:55] <thumper> lifeless: nah
[20:55] <thumper> lifeless: I'll abstain
[21:01] <jtv> allenap`: http://pqxx.org/development/libpqxx/wiki/AllSoftwareIsBroken
[21:34] <lifeless> danilos: hey, do you know the bug # about the lp ui not being translated?
[21:44] <james_w`> lifeless, bug 3896
[21:44] <_mup_> Bug #3896: Launchpad itself is not translatable in Launchpad <infrastructure> <lp-foundations> <Launchpad itself:Won't Fix> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/3896 >
[21:44] <lifeless> thanks!
[21:48] <StevenK> Has anyone seen mars?
[21:51] <elmo> StevenK: he's with dragnob
[21:51] <StevenK> elmo: Thanks!
[22:03] <deryck> james_w`, bug 12345 has all the statuses grayed out for me.  So that fix is released.
[22:03] <_mup_> Bug #12345: isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?) <isdnutils (Ubuntu):Fix Released by doko> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345 >
[22:03]  * deryck is looking for bug number
[22:04] <james_w`> deryck, excellent
[22:04] <james_w`> deryck, do you want to email marjo?
[22:04] <deryck> james_w`, yeah, I'll email him.  Thanks for letting me know he was wondering about that.
[22:05] <thumper> leonardr: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004003 (NS_ERROR_INVALID_POINTER) [nsIDOMHTMLElement.appendChild]" nsresult: "0x80004003 (NS_ERROR_INVALID_POINTER)" location: "JS frame :: https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/+icing/rev10138/build/launchpad.js :: anonymous :: line 3607" data: no]
[22:09] <bac> huwshimi: available for some UI guidance?
[22:09] <huwshimi> Sure are
[22:09] <huwshimi> bac: shall I come find you?
[22:10] <bac> huwshimi: i'll meet you at the snack cart
[22:10] <huwshimi> bac: deal
[22:22] <lifeless> thumper: btw; reminder: https://devpad.canonical.com/~lpqateam/qa_reports/deployment-stable.html
[22:30] <lifeless> jelmer: btw there is a bug for lp://qastaging
[22:40] <allenap> thumper: Yo, you've got three bugs in the stable deployment report that are blocking roll-out. I had a look at them, but I don't know how to check them. Could you? Pretty please, I have a few branches right after yours that I want to deploy :)
[22:50] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/Foundations/ComponentHelp
[22:50] <gary_poster> danilos: ^^^
[22:51] <jelmer> lifeless: I didn't know - thanks
[22:56] <thumper> allenap: ok... RSN
[23:55] <lifeless> jtv: hi
[23:55] <lifeless> jtv: can you qa your long running xact patch please?
[23:55] <jtv> hi lifeless
[23:55] <jtv> when do you want it done?
[23:57] <lifeless> jtv: as soon as possible, we've  abacklog
[23:57] <jtv> ah so
[23:57] <jtv> I'll need a losa


[09:08] <thorwil> 8bit for screenshots?
[09:09] <thorwil> is that supposed to mean interlaced?
[09:24] <thorwil> arg, indexed, of course
[20:49] <thorwil> i'd like to have another way of saying "professional", where it's all about the attitude
[20:49] <thorwil> not about being payed