[00:00] <szymon_g> hi
[00:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Miia Ranta] Things I learnt about managing people while being a Wikipedia admin - http://myrtti.fi/blog/2011/08/26/things-i-learnt-about-managing-people-while-being-a-wikipedia-admin/
[00:27] <HazRPG> hmm, seriously... there's no shockwave support for linux?
[00:27] <HazRPG> but shockwave is the oldest one of the two (flash vs shockwave)
[00:27] <HazRPG> o.O
[00:32] <ali1234> shockwave is ancient
[00:32] <ali1234> do people still use it?
[00:33] <Myrtti> no not really :-P
[00:54] <ali1234> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?228185-Carbide-update-freezes-program
[00:54] <ali1234> nokiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
[00:54] <ali1234> y u no able to correctly roll out updates??
[03:30] <HazRPG> ali1234: one would assume people still use it, because adobe seem to still be making director
[03:31] <HazRPG> or at least still supporting it...
[03:32] <HazRPG> cost 11.5 was updated to 11.5.8 late last year
[03:32] <HazRPG> cos*
[03:32] <HazRPG> (also, we were using it at uni last year too)
[03:33] <HazRPG> (personally, I don't see why they have director and flash... when both are stupidly similar)
[03:34] <HazRPG> what's even more messed up is the fact that the mime types for both flash files and shockwave files are the wrong way round (due to legacy)
[03:37] <HazRPG> one would assume shockwave is still being used though, I mean check: http://www.isketch.net/isketch.shtml
[03:40] <samuel> I might go and see a GP today
[03:40] <HazRPG> samuel: what's up?
[03:41] <samuel> HazRPG: I think I might have hemmerages, anal fissure or colon cancer or something. :(
[03:41] <samuel> hemmeroids*
[03:41] <samuel> I keep putting it off, but after it got much worse 2 days ago
[03:42] <samuel> So I really need to see a GP now
[03:42] <samuel> Problem is, I'm usually asleep when GP surgeries are open lol
[03:43] <samuel> Damn my nocturnality
[03:43] <samuel> It will kill me some day
[03:51] <HazRPG> ah
[03:51] <HazRPG> not to sound rude, but how old are ya?
[03:52] <samuel> HazRPG: 19, so I'm unlikely to have cancer
[03:52] <samuel> I think
[03:52] <HazRPG> samuel: sit at a computer all day?
[03:52] <HazRPG> (or there abouts?)
[03:52] <samuel> HazRPG: yeah lol
[03:52] <HazRPG> prob just piles then ;)
[03:52] <HazRPG> wouldn't worry about it too much
[03:52] <samuel> HazRPG: probably, but I want to be sure
[03:53] <samuel> HazRPG: It's suddenly gotten a lot worse, despite me eating more fibre, so that is why I'm worried
[03:53] <HazRPG> I started getting them around 2-4 years ago (I forget), and I'm 24
[03:53] <samuel> HazRPG: Still got them?
[03:53] <HazRPG> it comes and goes lol
[03:54] <samuel> HazRPG: And did blood ever drip into the toilet, making the water all red?
[03:54] <samuel> HazRPG: How do I tell whether the blood is bright or dark red? I don't know the difference
[03:54] <HazRPG> not much you can really do, except keep buying cream/pills (but not the oral kind) to make them go away
[03:54] <samuel> Pills that aren't oral?
[03:55] <HazRPG> samuel: well I think the technical term is now "bullet" or something I think it says on the packaging
[03:55] <samuel> HazRPG: Can I get those things on prescription?
[03:55] <HazRPG> samuel: can buy over the counter stuff, and works pretty much the same... the prescription ones is much better however (shinks the piles faster)
[03:55] <HazRPG> shrinks*
[03:56] <samuel> HazRPG: I ask about prescription because I can get them for free
[03:56] <samuel> HazRPG: So prescriptions are better :)
[03:56] <samuel> I don't want to pay for my health lol
[03:56] <HazRPG> yeah, I had no blood, but that's because my mum (doctor) always told/taught me not to strain on the toilet
[03:57] <HazRPG> lol fair enough :P
[03:57] <Azelphur> damn did anyone just hear/feel that thunderclap?
[03:57] <Azelphur> we just had a like 45 second long huge thunderclap that felt more like a damned earthquake
[03:57] <samuel> Azelphur: Wouldn't that be local to you?
[03:58] <Azelphur> baring in mind it felt like an earthquake I assume it'll be felt a reasonable distance around me
[03:58] <HazRPG> samuel: Pro-tip, ask for the suppositories not the cream... although its really preference, but I found the cream more hassle then its worth
[03:58] <samuel> HazRPG: How do I get tough ones out without straining?
[03:58] <samuel> HazRPG: What are suppositories?
[03:59] <HazRPG> samuel: best thing is to try and edit your diet around so that its not tough in the first place ;)
[03:59] <HazRPG> samuel: suppositories are basic butt-piles lol
[03:59] <HazRPG> pills*
[03:59] <HazRPG> basically*
[03:59] <samuel> Azelphur: You're in the USA, asking people in a UK channel whether they felt your earthquake...
[03:59] <HazRPG> man I'm failing at typing today T_T
[03:59] <Azelphur> samuel: I'm in the USA?
[03:59] <HazRPG> samuel: Azelphur is from the UK ;)
[03:59] <Azelphur> that's news to me :o
[04:00] <HazRPG> or at least in the UK...
[04:00] <samuel> HazRPG: I had massive constipation, and then I increased my fibre intake and now do 3 times as many shits a week
[04:00] <samuel> Azelphur: Sorry, my IRC client lied to me.
[04:00] <HazRPG> samuel: heh, fibre will do that :P
[04:00] <Azelphur> samuel: haha, I'm connecting via a server in US :)
[04:00] <samuel> HazRPG: So I'm doing well?
[04:01] <Azelphur> geoip: not always accurate, especially when people obviously arn't on residential addresses :P
[04:01] <samuel> HazRPG: What else can I do?
[04:01] <HazRPG> samuel: drink lots of coffee ;)
[04:01] <samuel> HazRPG: WTF why?
[04:01] <samuel> HazRPG: I hate coffee
[04:01] <HazRPG> or tea...
[04:01] <samuel> HazRPG: Why coffee?
[04:01] <HazRPG> samuel: coffee/tea = laxative
[04:01] <samuel> HazRPG: What about milk?
[04:02] <HazRPG> doesn't matter, as long as there's tea/coffee in it :)
[04:02] <samuel> Tea is laxative? That's news to me
[04:02] <samuel> HazRPG: What else?
[04:03] <HazRPG> samuel: depends on the type of tea really, some are... should say on the box
[04:03] <samuel> HazRPG: I don't understand the "no straining" rule. If it's a tough one, how else will I get it out?
[04:03] <HazRPG> samuel: take a book, gameboy... something... and sit it out (quite literally)
[04:04] <samuel> HazRPG: Just sit there?
[04:04] <HazRPG> just don't strain, you'll only make matters worse
[04:04] <samuel> I thought reading on the toilet partially causes my piles?
[04:05] <samuel> HazRPG: But if it doesn't come on soon, it will only be harder later.
[04:05] <HazRPG> samuel: well I find deeper breathes, and leaning forward helps... but that's all I can suggest really
[04:05] <samuel> HazRPG: Sometimes it just feels stuck and unable to get past the point of no return. :(
[04:05] <HazRPG> samuel: it's a six and 2 three's scenario... sitting on the toilet too long will cause them, but straining on the toilet will do the same thing
[04:06] <samuel> HazRPG: A what scenario?
[04:06] <HazRPG> samuel: like I said, just try and get something in your diet that's a laxative to try and balance things out a bit so that you don't have to strain in the first place
[04:06] <samuel> HazRPG: Is fibre a laxative?
[04:07] <HazRPG> lol, six and 2 three's. 6 = 6, 3+3 = 6 ;)
[04:08] <samuel> HazRPG: Can I still drink alcohol?
[04:08] <HazRPG> samuel: erm... fibre technically works both ways
[04:08] <HazRPG> too much fibre will cause it to be hard though
[04:08] <samuel> HazRPG: WTF?
[04:09] <samuel> I thought too much fibre=diahrhera
[04:09] <HazRPG> too little fibre does that
[04:09] <HazRPG> but like I said, it can work both ways
[04:09] <HazRPG> it depends on how your body deals with it
[04:09] <samuel> HazRPG: And since I've increased my fibre intake with cereal and bananas, I've only found it easier to pass stools
[04:10] <samuel> But still bleeding
[04:10] <samuel> More than ever
[04:10] <samuel> It should be getting better, not worse FFS
[04:11] <HazRPG> samuel: no, it'll only get better if you start using either creams or suppositories to try and reduce the swelling
[04:11] <HazRPG> changing your diet is for the long-term, however for the problems your having now... you need to get rid of it first
[04:11] <samuel> HazRPG: How do you apply those?
[04:13] <HazRPG> cream: 2 ways, either put it on finger and *use imagination, I think you know where this is going*... or use the "applicator" it comes with... and likewise do the same thing (my GP recommended doing both, since using your finger you can help push them in, and the "applicator" helps spread it evenly)
[04:13] <HazRPG> suppositories: simple, just pop it in
[04:13] <samuel> lol disgusting
[04:13] <HazRPG> as to when you do this: each time you pass stools, and before you go to bed are recommended
[04:14] <HazRPG> samuel: true, but sadly it's the only way
[04:14] <samuel> HazRPG: Speaking of going to bed, I'm about to. Shall I report back to you after I see a GP?
[04:14] <HazRPG> samuel: its either that, or get them operated on to remove them (I know which I'd rather do!)
[04:14] <samuel> HazRPG: I'd rather avoid surgery
[04:14] <HazRPG> exactly ;)
[04:14] <samuel> If I can
[04:15] <HazRPG> my dad's had it operated on, and he said it wasn't pleasant... not in the slightest
[04:15] <HazRPG> his words were "I was walking like John Wayne for a week afterwards"
[04:15] <samuel> Hereditory?
[04:15] <samuel> Can they be?
[04:15] <HazRPG> yeah, it can be
[04:15] <HazRPG> sadly :(
[04:16] <samuel> Too embarassed to talk to my family about it lol
[04:16] <samuel> Shall I report back to you after I see a GP?
[04:16] <HazRPG> most likely, if your getting it at your age... its cos you've been passed it down (pardon the obvious pun)
[04:16] <HazRPG> samuel: yeah sure if you want
[04:16] <HazRPG> samuel: either give me a nudge on here, or PM
[04:16] <samuel> HazRPG: I think my constipation was probably a major cause.
[04:17] <samuel> HazRPG: Got email?
[04:17] <HazRPG> samuel<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:17] <samuel> HazRPG: Thanks for the advice, man.xx
[04:17] <HazRPG> (when I made it, I almost had it as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but I couldn't make my mind up as to which sounded weirder)
[04:18] <HazRPG> samuel: no worries, hope things improve for you
[04:18] <samuel> Night xxxx
[04:23] <HazRPG> I think I should have pointed out high-fibre diets, means you need to drink more fluids otherwise your just going to be back to square one...
[04:23] <HazRPG> oh well
[04:25] <HazRPG> Azelphur: where bouts you at anyways?
[04:25] <Azelphur> thanet
[04:25] <HazRPG> Azelphur: Cumbria here, didn't feel nothing
[04:26] <Azelphur> yea, very long way away from me
[04:26] <Azelphur> I reckon that was felt over most of kent at least
[04:26] <HazRPG> random, didn't think we had earthquakes on our tiny island
[04:27] <HazRPG> (or if we did, I thought it was just because of the ripple of an earthquake elsewhere)
[04:28] <HazRPG> brb going to the garage for some smokes
[04:35] <Azelphur> lol
[04:35] <Azelphur> it wasn't an earthquake, it was a lightening bolt
[04:36] <Azelphur> only it was so loud that it kinda caused an earthquake that lasted about 30 seconds
[04:38] <HazRPG> ahh
[04:38] <HazRPG> okay, that makes more sense
[04:41] <HazRPG> is it bad that I'm now starting to use the terminal to just open videos, instead of just opening the folder and double-clicking...
[04:42] <HazRPG> when does doctor who start back up?
[04:59] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: tomorrows
[05:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I do the same usually.. start  vlc from a directory :)
[05:14] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: didn't realise you could do that, aces :)
[05:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: vlc . :)
[05:44] <shauno> I actually recall there being an earthquake in cumbria, many moons ago
[05:44] <shauno> we do get 'em.  just very small & rare, because we're not sat on major faults
[05:45] <shauno> oh.  google's telling me last year.  the one I recall would have been late 80s / early 90s
[05:55]  * popey blinks
[05:56] <shauno> it's always odd to see you lot up at silly o'clock
[06:56] <MartijnVdS> silly o'clock?
[06:58] <DJones> Morning all
[07:13] <daubers> Morning
[07:18] <j0nr> popey: ping
[07:34] <kaushal> Hi
[07:35] <kaushal> is there a way to create my own PPA and are there documentation availabe for it ?
[07:36] <DJones> kaushal: I#ve never tried, but a quick search links to https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[07:37] <DJones> If its just a one off package you want to create for personal use so you can install via a deb file for easier removal, you could look at this as well
[07:37] <DJones> !checkinstall
[07:38] <AlanBell> !ppa
[07:38] <AlanBell> !addppa
[07:39] <ali1234> none of that information is at all helpful
[07:39] <AlanBell> meh, not that, but yeah kaushal, if you have signed the code of conduct you can have a PPA
[07:39] <ali1234> you can make your own repo without signing the CoC
[07:39] <ali1234> you just can't host it on launchpad
[07:40] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:44] <daubers> lp just makes things a bit easier
[07:47] <kaushal> AlanBell: Thanks
[07:47] <kaushal> DJones: Thanks
[08:02] <popey> j0nr: pong
[08:17] <j0nr> popey: :) http://pastebin.com/HQ8d0W5U
[08:18] <j0nr> popey: in the end, my provider finally provided me with crucial details, that in order to install a kernel (other than theirs) I have to go enable a function in their control panel. Once done, rebooted and its all working again :)
[08:18] <j0nr> don't know why they didn't tell me this in the first place...
[08:18] <j0nr> anyway, time is working, s3sync is working :)
[08:20] <oimon> achievement unlocked: get a story on slashdot front page :)
[08:27] <diplo-> Morning all
[08:30] <diplo> What limitations are there on partition sizes now adays ? Going to make a software raid1 for 2 x 2TB discs shortly, anything I need to know ?
[08:33] <gord> diplo, i made a software raid with 3 2TB disks last weekend, its all fine
[08:33] <gord> diplo, just don't use FAT32
[08:33] <diplo> heh cool thanks
[08:34] <diplo> Not sure whether to go with ext2 or 4
[08:34] <dogmatic69> hehe "I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu)"
[08:34] <diplo> Not sure I need journalling but is it worth the difference ?
[08:34] <dogmatic69> bit of an under statement there
[08:34] <diplo> :p
[08:36] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: there's a better one in an argument with Tanenbaum, about how optimisation doesn't matter, 'cause everyone'll be using Hurd soon anyway
[08:36] <BigRedS> from about 1997
[08:36] <dogmatic69> hehe
[08:37] <JamesTait> Hello, hello! Happy Friday!
[08:39] <oimon> diplo: so you care about your data enough to raid it, but not enough for journalling?
[08:39] <Twinkletoes|W> In 10.04 server, my kernel is '-generic-pae', and the installed linux image is 'linux-image-virtual'.  Which package for headers should I install?  'linux-headers-virtual' or 'linux-headers-generic-pae'?
[08:40] <gord> diplo, journals are a honking good idea :) you should only not use a journal if you need compatibility with ext2 or something crazy like that
[08:41] <gord> running ext4 on my raid, because its great with larger filesystems
[08:42] <diplo> not tha tfussed about the data so if there was a speed incrrease it wouldn't bother me
[08:42] <diplo> Cool, that's what I wanted to here
[08:42] <diplo> Thanks
[08:45] <oimon> is it me or is the dash looking even worse in oneiric?
[08:46] <BigRedS> which bit's the dash?
[08:46] <oimon> BigRedS: the thing that appears when you click on the BFB/ubuntu icon
[08:46] <BigRedS> ahh
[08:46] <BigRedS> yeah, that bit keeps changing
[08:46] <BigRedS> I think it was orange yesterday
[08:49] <bigcalm> My father is looking for a new laptop. After a lot of looking about, he's found this: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Lenovo_IdeaPad_Z570_1091048.html # any comments?
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> lenovo tends to be good
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> i5 is good
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> don't know why you'd need blu-ray
[08:57] <gord> i5 is going to have sandybridge though
[08:57] <gord> MartijnVdS, to watch blu-ray movies?
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> gord: nothing wrong with sandybridge
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> gord: not on Linux
[08:57] <gord> MartijnVdS, the drivers suck
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> gord: not as bad as nvidia
[08:57] <gord> in O they are okay, but anything less you will have to deal with huge graphics corruption
[08:57] <bigcalm> Oh, my dad will be sticking with the preinstalled windows :S
[08:57] <gord> MartijnVdS, no they are awful
[08:57] <gord> they don't work
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> gord: Neither do the nvidia ones
[08:58] <gord> bigcalm, ah in that case the sandybridge will be fine :)
[08:58] <bigcalm> Looking at this from a hardware point of view
[08:58] <gord> bigcalm, +1 lenovo are great
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> gord: (depending on the phase of the moon)
[08:58] <bigcalm> This is the other one he's looking at http://www.sony.co.uk/product/vn-e-series/vpcej1z1e
[08:58] <AlanBell> bigcalm: it is a lot of power, and not that much screen
[08:58] <bigcalm> 170 quid deerer
[08:59] <AlanBell> and more pixels, 1600x900 vs 1366x768
[08:59] <bigcalm> On a larger screen
[08:59] <gord> and faster gpu if he needs that
[09:00] <gord> as always, google <product> + broke - before buying ;)
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> but it's sony :)
[09:00] <bigcalm> He's into his archery in a big way, so recently got a highspeed camera. Will be doing a lot of video editing. I told him to look for laptops with dedicated graphics, no shared memory
[09:00] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: indeed, paying more for the name?
[09:01] <AlanBell> for video editing you want a big screen (possibly external monitor)
[09:01] <gord> video editing mostly needs as much hard-drive space as possible and more importantly as much ram as possible
[09:01] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I've told him that both have HDMI so he can hook it up to an external screen
[09:01] <bigcalm> He was doing this on a Advent netbook...
[09:01] <AlanBell> I would go for the little one then and spend the change on the screen
[09:02] <bigcalm> Good thinking
[09:03]  * bigcalm pastebins this and wonders how confused his father will be by irc
[09:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] It was 20 years ago today.... - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/it-was-20-years-ago-today.html
[09:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] cronlog - Debian Squeeze - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/cronlog-debian-squeeze.html
[09:12] <gord> let my router monitor how much traffic i am using this month... it has been enlightening.
[09:17] <popey> j0nr: awesome!
[09:18] <popey> MooDoo: yesterday :D
[09:20] <bigcalm> I'm now talking my dad into attaching a large tv to the dinning room wall for him to use as the 2nd monitor
[09:20] <DJones> Yum Bacon & Sausage barm cake
[09:20] <popey> :D
[09:20] <bigcalm> This is silly :)
[09:22] <AlanBell> hmm, seems my laptop won't quite drive three screens
[09:23] <AlanBell> it has the laptop screen, the VGA port and HDMI port, and will do any two of the three, and will see three monitors in the monitor preferences
[09:27] <seeker> Does it only have 2 clocks in the graphics
[09:27] <seeker> Card?
[09:28] <seeker> I know that the AMD desktop cards have 2xDVI and a HDMI, but you can only use two of the three at once as they all require a clock and the hardware only has 2
[09:29] <AlanBell> that would make sense
[09:29] <Hippychick> one step closer to getting an andypad \o/
[09:30] <AlanBell> I tried driving them all at 1024x768 and tried putting same image on all screens but it still wouldn't do it so not a graphics memory issue
[09:31] <oimon> andypad reminds me too much of andy pandy the childrens programme
[09:32] <seeker> Not sure if VGA requires clocking in the same way DVI does, but given how interchangeable they are it wouldn't surprise me
[09:32] <bigcalm> I had a muffin the mule
[09:36] <bigcalm> Or rather, my mother did and I got to play with it at her parents' house
[09:37] <Hippychick> oimon, i have no odea what andy pandy is, so i think im safe :)
[09:37] <oimon> it's a good thing
[09:40] <daubers> oimon: "Sawdust and hay for dinner today" was the thing mum always told us when we asked what was for dinner. That was from Andy Pandy I think
[09:41] <oimon> om nom nom
[09:41] <daubers> Ah no, it was the wooden tops on watch with mother :)
[09:45] <daubers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv_WJCv_Xyg :)
[09:46] <KrisDouglas> Morning guys, I have a little bugbear with ubuntu at the moment. I have a compositing window manager (the default one) and transparency enabled in my gnome-terminal. When I open it, the background is solid black until it has been forced to re-draw with text or dragging the mouse across it. Any ideas why?
[09:47] <DJones> daubers: Thats older than me
[09:47] <daubers> DJones: We had it on VHS when I was a nipper
[09:48] <DJones> I don't think I've ever watched it (that I can remember anyway)
[09:48] <daubers> "Sawdust and hay" is at 12:00 in :)
[09:48] <KrisDouglas> (Screenshot attached: http://imagebin.org/169719)
[09:49] <daubers> KrisDouglas: What graphics chipset are you running?
[09:49] <KrisDouglas> NVIDIA 9600GT, latest stable drivers (280?) x86
[09:51] <KrisDouglas> as a matter of fact, I just updated them from 270 and it was the same on 270.
[09:51] <daubers> KrisDouglas: I've got an 8800 and I don't get that issue on natty
[09:52] <KrisDouglas> Probably some software issue, very perculiar
[09:52] <daubers> KrisDouglas: However I do get something similar briefly on boot with the desktop :)
[09:52] <KrisDouglas> I used to get that, but it's sorted now
[09:55] <KrisDouglas> daubers, which driver version are you running on/
[09:55] <KrisDouglas> ?
[09:56] <daubers> "Version Current" (thanks jockey for that useful information!) Although I don't thinks its actually in use.... how can I find out what driver is actually in use?
[09:57] <daubers> alias:          char-major-195-*
[09:57] <daubers> So I assume 195
[09:57] <KrisDouglas> System>Preferences>NVIDIA X Server Settings
[09:58] <daubers> 270.41.06 :)
[09:58] <daubers> That was easier
[09:58] <KrisDouglas> Thats the version I just moved from
[09:58] <KrisDouglas> Weird
[10:06] <davmor2> happy friday all
[10:07] <davmor2> Mez: look like RMS was a big success congrats
[10:07] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[10:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: how are you buddy
[10:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: annoyed that I missed out on RMS but happy that I got the release out, other than that happy it's friday
[10:11] <MooDoo> cool
[10:11] <gord> davmor2, congrats on surviving beta freeze ;)
[10:12] <MooDoo> :)
[10:12] <davmor2> gord: no this is ISD releases nothing to do with beta freeze but you can't leave it untested
[10:14] <gord> ah, just assumed you had some client side stuff you needed released
[10:15] <oimon> i have an onboard nvidia ge 6150 card, and its really sluggish (even just using the desktop) on an otherwise good pc :( are the official nvidia drivers always the best way to go ? or can nouvaue driver ever be more suitable ?
[10:16] <gord> oimon, for something that old, try the open source drivers
[10:16] <gord> the 6150 isn't really even a 6000 series chip
[10:16] <oimon> it's better than the intel onboard i have on my work pc though, which works great
[10:17] <oimon> i'll try the nouveau - is it 3d supported at all?
[10:17] <gord> enabled by default in O, you have to manually enable it in previous releases iirc
[10:38] <BigRedS> brute-force configuration wins again :)
[11:32] <oimon> popey: regarding your tweet, can you ask the guy if he's heard of Jesus, or the Beatles too..just interested
[11:50] <popey> oimon: haha
[11:52] <popey> (he has)
[11:54] <davmor2> popey: I hope you take your educating role seriously as you educate him in the knowledge of doctor who
[11:55] <shauno> or atleast aim for a hilariously confusing conversation based around the ambiguity of the name
[12:13] <oimon> hey it's a bank holiday on monday in the uK :D wooo!
[12:14] <MooDoo> yipee my fisrt full bank hol weekend off in years :)
[12:17] <DJones> MooDoo: That'll give you time to finish teh decorating won't it?   Last one I had had a v6 in it
[12:25] <shauno> well, as long as he remembers not to set fire to it when he parks it, he should be good :)
[12:25] <freakyclown> indeed i doubt this little alfa will be faster than say my old skyline
[12:25] <Hippychick> or at least thats the case for all the ones ive driven...
[12:26] <Hippychick> daubers, im not allowed one that powerful, too young :(
[12:27] <daubers> Hippychick: Technically, neither was I, but they'd given away all the rubbish cars by the time I rocked up
[12:28] <Hippychick> haha, lucky you :)
[12:28] <oimon> powerful cars are pointless where i live since it's all speed humps, traffic lights and traffic jams at 5mph
[12:29]  * MooDoo pats his motorbike :)
[12:29] <daubers> oimon: Then you need a powerful bike
[12:29]  * oimon wonders how he can check the expiry date of his MOT
[12:29] <daubers> oimon: It'll be yesterday
[12:29] <oimon> :(
[12:29] <MooDoo> oimon: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_10020539
[12:29] <DJones> oimon: I think you can check on tyhe dvla website
[12:30] <oimon> it seems to want more info than i have with me :(
[12:30] <DJones> oimon: You can http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_10020539 I'ved used that in the past, I needed the info from the reg document though, I think that was the only way
[12:30] <oimon> it's probably easier to find my MOT cert lol
[12:31] <oimon> whenever i get home there's other stuff to do like putting the sprog to bed
[12:32] <daubers> My motorbike MOT runs out on saturday, can't afford to get it done until wednesday....
[12:32] <popey> SORN!
[12:33] <gord> are we just yelling out random made up words now?
[12:33] <gord> PIGGLERUNT!
[12:33] <directhex> ikonia, 24 cans of rbc.
[12:33] <daubers> popey: Already got it booked into the garage so don't need a SORN (apparently)
[12:34] <daubers> popey: Also, I thought SORN's only applied to tax?
[12:34] <freakyclown> daubers: take the bike to the garage saturday and book it in for the wednesday ;)
[12:35] <freakyclown> problem solved
[12:35] <daubers> freakyclown: you can drive a vehicle to an MOT station with an expired MOT as long as it's taxed and insured
[12:35] <BigRedS> if you believe it will pass the MoT you're allowed to ride it to a booked MoT after its run out
[12:35] <daubers> (and the MOT is booked)
[12:36] <freakyclown> or just sell it and buy a car
[12:36] <daubers> since it was serviced last week, the MOT will be fine (or I'll harass the service place loudly)
[12:36] <daubers> freakyclown: Got one of those too
[12:36] <freakyclown> you keep dry and can go round corners faster :P
[12:36] <daubers> freakyclown: I can outpace a car around a corner on a bike.......
[12:37] <freakyclown> challenge accepted ;)
[12:37] <MooDoo> me want to play too
[12:37] <MooDoo> lol
[12:37] <daubers> freakyclown: Hmm.... for that challenge I might have to a) pass my bike test and b) get something faster than a 125 :p
[12:37] <freakyclown> rofl
[12:37] <popey> hehe
[12:37]  * MooDoo will play on his 600
[12:37] <MooDoo> :D
[12:37] <davmor2> It's the geekiest time of day 1337 oclock
[12:37] <Dave2> that it is
[12:37] <popey> stoppit! you'll set...
[12:38] <popey> there he is
[12:38] <freakyclown> i used to race bikes in the skyline and they used to get verrrrrry angry in the corners ;)
[12:38]  * daubers wants one of these http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2008/05/09/mtt-y2k-turbine-motorcycle-for-sale/
[12:38] <daubers> freakyclown: Just depends how brave you're feeling
[12:39]  * MooDoo wants one of these - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivPheV77JcU
[12:39] <freakyclown> daubers: what you want is one of thse http://motorbikenews.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/dodge-tomahawk.jpg
[12:39] <daubers> freakyclown: ewwwwwww
[12:40] <MooDoo> tron lightcycle road test :)
[12:40] <BigRedS> freakyclown: I really want to see one of those try to go round a corner...
[12:40] <daubers> freakyclown: This is better http://www.gizmag.com/ebay-tron-lightcycle/15590/
[12:42] <daubers> Seriously though, I'd be more than happy with one of these http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/tourers/#!/st1300/
[12:42] <daubers> (although I do not that it has a bigger engine in it than my first car)
[12:43] <freakyclown> my g/fs car is only a 1.2litre :)
[12:43] <MooDoo> my next one http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/ZX-10R
[12:45] <daubers> MooDoo: 's nice. Can't carry the missus+luggage though :(
[12:46] <freakyclown> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ratfuML9QA&feature=related
[12:46] <freakyclown> heh
[12:48] <daubers> freakyclown: That... thing.... just begs one quest.   It's nothing compared to mine!" his spittle flecking the table, according to the Boing Boing website." << sounds like a sociopatch CEO of a company i used to work with
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> heh, yeah
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> I know another CEO like that
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> Still glad I left that place
[12:53] <oimon> me too
[12:53] <oimon> my wife is even more glad
[12:54] <oimon> i was seriously underweight there
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> oimon: She gets the happy you now? :)
[12:54] <oimon> happy and healthy
[12:54] <oimon> and she sees more of me
[12:54] <oimon> i learned the hard way that some people continue to squeeze you when you're dry
[13:02] <Hippychick> i hate places like that, where i work at the moment is starrting to turn that way.  im looking for a new job before it gets too bad
[13:05] <MooDoo> Hippychick: any luck as i'm looking too
[13:08] <Hippychick> i had an interview this morning, but there are not alot of 'in the middle' jobs, most want new starters to learn or somone who is alot more qualified then i am
[13:09] <BigRedS> Hippychick: what do you do?
[13:09] <oimon> MooDoo: what you looking for?
[13:09] <Hippychick> it helpdesk support
[13:09] <BigRedS> We're after in the middle sysadmins
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKsxPW6i3pM
[13:10] <Hippychick> im very customer facing at the moment
[13:10] <penguin42> why would you want to do helpdesk support? Masochism?
[13:10] <oimon> BigRedS: link?
[13:10] <Hippychick> which is a shame since im so ugly :P
[13:11] <oimon> i see you have the sense of humour required for the role :)
[13:11] <BigRedS> oimon: ah, we're not proactively doing it enough to have ads
[13:11] <bigcalm> PCI gfx card has arrived! Time to get my 3rd screen back up and running :)
[13:11] <oimon> my company is suffering a brain drain due to terrible top level management atm. not sure whether to jump too or stay and fight
[13:11] <Hippychick> BigRedS, where are you based?
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> oimon: do we work for the same company?
[13:12] <oimon> MartijnVdS: in a way :D
[13:12] <penguin42> bigcalm: Which type?
[13:12] <BigRedS> Hippychick: Cambridgeshire, it's a bit middle-of-nowhere
[13:12] <bigcalm> Pendulum: PNY nVidia GeForce 8400 GS
[13:12] <bigcalm> Oops
[13:12] <Hippychick> oh dear, not cromwell are you?
[13:12] <bigcalm> penguin42: PNY nVidia GeForce 8400 GS
[13:12]  * penguin42 swings
[13:13] <bigcalm> Pendulum: sorry :)
[13:13] <penguin42> bigcalm: Oh didn't know there were PCI nvidias
[13:13] <bigcalm> penguin42: it took a lot of hunting to get a PCI card. Almost everything is PCI-E
[13:13] <Hippychick> one of our main competetors are in ely
[13:13] <oimon> if i stay and fight i will have job openings for good linux sysadmin
[13:13] <bigcalm> or PCIE or PCIe or PCI Extended, searching was a pig :)
[13:14] <Hippychick> i love it there but its abit far
[13:14] <BigRedS> Hippychick: mm, we're closer to peterborough
[13:14] <bigcalm> I'd love to live in Cornwall and be close to the coast
[13:14] <oimon> +1
[13:14] <oimon> or on portland island
[13:15] <bigcalm> penguin42: also has a big heatsync with no fan :D
[13:15] <Hippychick> portland \o/
[13:15] <bigcalm> Back soon (I hope)
[13:17] <oimon> doh, i made a best offer on ebay, and then another counter offer. that was declined so i lost the original offer too :(
[13:20] <penguin42> BigRedS: Everywhere in Cambridgeshire is the middle of nowhere!
[13:20] <penguin42> field-sheep-field-house-mass of tech companies-field
[13:21] <kovu> hi everyone
[13:21] <kovu> anyone here
[13:22] <drussell> no
[13:22] <kovu> oh ok then *falls asleep*
[13:22] <drussell> hehe hiya kovu
[13:22] <kovu> hi drussel
[13:23] <kovu> drussell oops i missed an l
[13:23] <drussell> kovu: ;o)
[13:23] <kovu> so what you been up to today then
[13:23] <kovu> hi bernard2
[13:24] <kovu> 0.5s lag w0000t
[13:24] <kovu> 0.1s lag w00tters even more
[13:27] <kovu> wow its so active in here today
[13:27] <kovu> *watches tumble weed roll by* OMG did you see that
[13:28] <penguin42> sssssh we're asleep
[13:29] <Laney> BigRedS: peterborough eh? /me grew up near there
[13:29] <Laney> alconbury
[13:30] <Hippychick> my uncle lives in oundel
[13:31] <Laney> boo, northamptonshire
[13:32] <popey> I once found myself lost in wales, looking for a B&B. I phoned the B&B and she said 'where are you?', 'dunno' I said. 'what can you see?' she asked. I looked around and said 'hills, sheep..'. "Ah, you're nearby then".
[13:32] <diplo> Hi peeps, just installed microserver with natty
[13:32] <diplo> alternate disc
[13:32] <popey> yay diplo
[13:33] <diplo> I thought it prompted me whether i wanted desktop ? Been a loooooong time since I've used one
[13:33] <diplo> Don't want any desktop, any one know current command to purge all desktop related ?
[13:33] <diplo> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop still work ?
[13:33] <Hippychick> Laney! dont boo northamptonshire! i was born there
[13:33] <diplo> Or quick to just reinstall ?
[13:33] <diplo> quicker*
[13:34] <Laney> Hippychick: ah, my commiserations. We can't all be born in Cambs I suppose ;-)
[13:34] <oimon> guys, you might be interested in the linux magazine archive DVD of all articles they ever published. absolute bargain: http://shop.linuxnewmedia.com/uk/magazines/linux-magazine-linux-pro-magazine/back-issues.html?p=2
[13:34] <popey> diplo: I'd reinstall
[13:35] <popey> diplo: there is an option to install minimal, not desktop
[13:35] <diplo> Hmm, I didn't see it :)
[13:35] <diplo> oops
[13:35] <AlanBell> why don't you want a desktop?
[13:35] <diplo> Never ever going to have screen on it, just another issue for security and wasted resources ?
[13:35] <diplo> Not worried about disc space..
[13:36] <diplo> If it's neglible I'm not that fussed
[13:36] <popey> i run ubuntu server on mine
[13:36] <popey> 10.04
[13:36] <popey> i think
[13:36] <AlanBell> leaving it at the GDM screen won't consume any resources of significance
[13:36] <oimon> use runlevel 3
[13:36] <diplo> I went with alternate to software raid, hadn't thought the server disc did it as well :P
[13:36] <gord> i use ubuntu server also, 11.04 for my raid
[13:36] <Laney> you might as well not have packages you aren't going to use installed
[13:36] <diplo> Hmm decisions decisions
[13:37]  * diplo reinstalls server, already have the disc
[13:37] <AlanBell> by all means reinstall, but it is a myth that a desktop installed is harmful to servers
[13:39] <popey> it uses more resources
[13:39] <gord> bigger updates
[13:39] <gord> main reason for me
[13:39] <BigRedS> surely if you do /etc/init.d/gdm stop  that resources usage disappears
[13:39] <popey> on a microserver which only has <1GB RAM thats a massive issue
[13:39] <AlanBell> bigger updates is a good reason not to do it
[13:39] <BigRedS> but, yeah, it'd make an apt-get upgrade take about six weeks
[13:39] <popey> BigRedS: yup
[13:39] <AlanBell> I measured GDM as using 60kb
[13:39] <popey> e.g. gnome-power-manager is using over 200MB on a machine here which is not logged in
[13:39] <dogmatic69> apt-get remove gdm
[13:39] <popey> you didnt measure everything then AlanBell :D
[13:40] <diplo> Burning ISO as we speak, popey you use 64bit or 32 iso ?
[13:40] <popey> diplo: i used 64-bit iirc
[13:40] <gord> gdm certainly uses more than 64kb ;)
[13:40] <gord> the wallpaper is at least 1mb
[13:40] <diplo> Cool, as that's the only iso i have here and my internet here sucks :(
[13:40] <popey> gnome screensaver is another 200MB
[13:40] <popey> pulseaudio is another 200
[13:40] <popey> all adds up
[13:41] <AlanBell> you have just added up 600MB, which wouldn't even fit on a 512MB machine
[13:41] <oimon> MB?
[13:41] <popey> this isnt a 512MB machine
[13:42] <popey> its a 3GB machine
[13:42] <popey> and I have swap
[13:42] <popey> also, killing gdm doesn't kill pulseaudio
[13:42] <AlanBell> Ubuntu desktop does run on a 512MB machine
[13:42] <oimon> gnome-power-manager takes 2mb on mine
[13:42] <popey> I never said it didnt
[13:42] <popey> I suspect memory leaks
[13:42] <popey> its been up a long time
[13:43] <oimon> thats pretty savage
[13:43] <popey> tempted to reboot :D
[13:43] <oimon> as a rule i don't let gdm/X run on a server
[13:43] <popey> that'll "fix" it :D
[13:43] <dogmatic69> gpm 3.4mb on mine
[13:43] <oimon> http://www.isthetouchpadinstock.com/ :P
[13:44] <AlanBell> so an interesting test would be to set up ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop, and ssh into each after booting them and look at the free memory
[13:44] <popey> boom, reboot
[13:45]  * bigcalm slaps the silly hardware
[13:51] <diplo> Reinstall underway
[13:51] <diplo> Sorry for the debate :D
[13:53]  * AlanBell installs 11.04 desktop on a server
[13:54] <diplo> heh
[13:54] <diplo> :D
[13:54]  * popey wonders if AlanBell is doing the comparison in two VMs
[13:55] <AlanBell> I need to put server on it, but I will do a run through of desktop first and check the free memory before logging in
[13:55] <AlanBell> popey: nope, on hardware
[13:58] <AlanBell> a slightly old proliant 1u server with 3GB ram I think
[13:58]  * directhex moos. moo!
[14:00] <Azelphur> did anyone hear a ridiculously loud thunderbolt at about 5am last night? o.O
[14:00] <Azelphur> it was like scary loud / earthquake proportions
[14:01] <diplo> Nope, but I may have been asleep :)
[14:03] <oimon> i generally wake up if a spider farts downstairs
[14:04] <diplo> I do when I have the kids at home, but since they haven't been there I've been sleeping a lot heavier
[14:04] <diplo> Could be to do with me going to bed at 1-2am
[14:04] <diplo> :
[14:04] <diplo> :(
[14:07] <directhex> i always go to bed at 2am
[14:07] <directhex> that's normal for me
[14:09] <diplo> I used to, then had kids
[14:09] <oimon> only got around 8 1/2 - 9 hrs last night and i feel so tired today that i feel sick :(
[14:09] <diplo> And a good nights sleep was needed
[14:09] <diplo> lol 8+ hours!
[14:09] <diplo> 4-5 is good for me
[14:09] <oimon> i remeber those days
[14:09] <oimon> now i'm paying for it lol
[14:10] <diplo> heh I did to, amazing how many health issues arise from splitting up with your long term partner :/
[14:10] <diplo> Lack of sleep, wanting to go to sleep etc
[14:13] <diplo> rah, starting up a new install \o/
[14:13] <diplo> See if I got it right this time :D
[14:13] <Hippychick> sleep is awesome, i go for aroubd 12 hours sleep on a weekend
[14:14] <popey> we take turns to sleep in on the weekend
[14:14] <popey> I usually get saturday, wifey gets sunday
[14:14] <diplo> I have never ever slept for 12 hours, probably max I get is 8 hours at the best
[14:14] <Hippychick> popey, thats a good way of doing it
[14:14] <diplo> popey, we used to do that.. was nice.. stay in bed even though awake and read in peace
[14:15] <Hippychick> my parents never got away with that, i'd go in and tickle their feet until they either gave me money or got up
[14:15] <oimon> if i get up early on sat then when wifey is up i go back to bed at 10am for an hour
[14:15]  * penguin42 breaks out some stronger chocolate
[14:18] <popey> i tend to go to bed at 1am
[14:18] <popey> alarm goes off at 6am or 7am
[14:18] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:19] <Azelphur> popey: btw my headset hack is working using that tecknet thing you linked
[14:19] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/August%202011/IMG_20110824_003604.jpg \o/
[14:19] <popey> CYBORG!
[14:19] <Azelphur> haha indeed :D
[14:20] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675280/
[14:20] <Azelphur> I'm seeing ho wlong it goes on a single charge, I havn't charged it since yesterday morning
[14:20] <Azelphur> left it on overnight too
[14:20] <penguin42> anyone got hints on debugging python apps?  it's apparently hung but gdb shows all threads sitting in poll; is there a way to get a python back trace?
[14:20] <BigRedS> hah, is that just a big battery glued on the side?
[14:20] <Azelphur> BigRedS: nearly, velcro :D
[14:21] <BigRedS> aha, handy for quick changes when the battery runs out :)
[14:21] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:21] <Azelphur> I think the headset sends a signal to the PC when AC is plugged in actually
[14:22] <AlanBell> so the memory use of a not logged in desktop is 234MB or so, any other tests I should do before installing server?
[14:22] <Azelphur> so I might be able to make it ping me when the tecknet runs out, then I can just take the tecknet off and put it on charge for the next 8 hours while using the headsets internal battery \o/
[14:22] <penguin42> AlanBell: The memory use of a logged in desktop?
[14:22] <Azelphur> although even after 1.5 days the tecknet is still at 60+% and the headset is full lol
[14:22] <Azelphur> so it's probably got like 4 days of battery life at least \o/
[14:22] <AlanBell> penguin42: sure, can do
[14:23] <davmor2> popey: I think you meant CYBERMAN!
[14:23] <oimon> AlanBell: 238MB - 136 (cached)
[14:23] <oimon> - buffers
[14:23] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675283/
[14:24] <AlanBell> ok, about to nuke this and put ubuntu server on it then
[14:30] <bigcalm> 3 screens once more \o/
[14:30] <Azelphur> \o/
[14:31] <Azelphur> bigcalm: you use 3 monitors with Ubuntu?
[14:31] <Hippychick> i want 3 screens :( im stuck with 1 though becuase wine freeks out when trying play games
[14:31] <Azelphur> Hippychick: what :o, I use quad monitor + wine for games
[14:31] <Azelphur> just use a virtual desktop and it's all fine
[14:33] <Hippychick> i dont know whats going on with it as it works fine for oly
[14:33] <Hippychick> ive probably set it up wrong
[14:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:34] <Azelphur> if you just run winecfg and put stuff in a virtual desktop
[14:34] <Azelphur> it should be fine
[14:34] <Hippychick> anyway, break time \o/ back in 10 minutes
[14:34] <oly> it still freaks out for me,
[14:34] <oly> unity strugles with a few things in full screen mode
[14:34] <oly> got a friend here when they put chrome full screen all the button are of center :p
[14:35] <Azelphur> yea, I've noticed unity doesn't work with full screen apps :/
[14:35] <oly> ie you have to click just below them
[14:35] <oly> looks like it will be the same with oneric as well or at least it currently is :/
[14:35] <Azelphur> yea the unity bar at the top pushes stuff down, even full screen apps
[14:35] <oly> gnome-shell handles it better but still has issues
[14:36] <Azelphur> I ditched unity on my PC
[14:36] <Azelphur> I use it on my laptops, but I don't game much on my laptops
[14:39] <bigcalm> Azelphur: yes, I do
[14:39] <Azelphur> bigcalm: what setup do you have, separate X screens or no compiz? :P
[14:41] <oly> i tried a seperate x screen on my laptop, the game dropped from like 60 fps to 1 :p
[14:42] <oly> it was like opengl never got initalise on the second screen
[14:43] <Azelphur> lol
[14:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: claire barker was mellors is my sister :D
[14:47] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675298/
[14:48] <AlanBell> so Ubuntu desktop uses 238MB and server uses 219MB
[14:48] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I have no idea
[14:50] <Azelphur> lol
[14:50] <davmor2> MooDoo: figured as much just saw the claire and mellors at a quick glance
[14:53] <penguin42> AlanBell: How do you get 219 from that?
[14:53] <oimon> AlanBell: i'm sure you need to subtract the cached+buffered mem from the used amount.
[14:53] <AlanBell> penguin42: by doing free -m
[14:54] <penguin42> oimon: But I'm never sure which bit - there is the 2nd line in the used column, but those don't correspond to the right hand values on the Mem line
[14:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: you obviously missed my pm that explained it all in detail :P
[14:54] <penguin42> AlanBell: I agree with oimon, the 'used' field by itself is too misleading
[14:55] <penguin42> oimon: Oh I see
[14:55] <penguin42> AlanBell: I think the important number is the 'used' in the 2nd row - i.e. 86MB
[14:56] <oimon> correct
[14:56] <oimon> IMHO
[14:57] <oimon> http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2010/01/11/free-memory-on-linux-free-m-vs-proc-meminfo
[14:57] <oimon> This sort of cached data will be freed by the kernel when an application tries to allocate more than what is "free", which is why the "-/+ buffers/cache" line is really the important line to pay attention to when you're checking out the free memory on a system.
[14:58] <AlanBell> even less in it then
[14:58] <bigcalm> I do notice that scrolling some screens becomes slugish after a while. Looking at "Additional Drivers", it says that the nvidia driver is installed, but not in use.
[14:58] <AlanBell> server http://paste.ubuntu.com/675299/  vs desktop http://paste.ubuntu.com/675280/
[14:59] <AlanBell> bit odd that the total memory is different!
[14:59] <oimon> on a fresh boot
[14:59] <oimon> now wait 4 months
[15:00] <oimon> or 2 years in the case of my servers
[15:00] <ali1234> why is it odd?
[15:00] <AlanBell> ali1234: because it is the same hardware in both tests with the same total amount of memory
[15:00] <ali1234> oh wait, TOTAL memory
[15:00] <ali1234> yeah that is weird
[15:00] <ali1234> same kernel?
[15:00] <ali1234> i'm guessing not
[15:01] <AlanBell> not quite, server has a different kernel and clock tick or something
[15:01] <oimon> both 32 bit?
[15:01] <oimon> PAE?
[15:01] <ali1234> i bet there's different kernel tuning too
[15:01] <AlanBell> oimon: desktop was 32bit, I used the CDs
[15:01] <ali1234> network, process management etc
[15:02] <AlanBell> all good reasons to use the server build for servers
[15:03] <AlanBell> but the "OMG resources!!" one isn't
[15:04] <gord> http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6199/6080645789_612a6276a1_o.jpg - i like that you can tell who that is even through the blur ;)
[15:05]  * AlanBell slaps the applications lens with a wet kipper
[15:06] <AlanBell> who is it anyway?
[15:06] <gord> you can't tell?
[15:06] <oimon> stuart langridge?
[15:06] <AlanBell> looks like Aq in a supermarket
[15:07] <gord> now the real question is why does jono have a video of him in a super market...
[15:07] <popey> I know
[15:07] <AlanBell> oooh, that is the buying evil drinks thing
[15:07] <popey> they were buying stuff to put in a pot and make adam sweet drink it
[15:09] <Azelphur> does anyone know how to tell how much bandwith each person is currently using on a Linux router? (DD-WRT)
[15:11] <popey> can you use bandwidthd on dd-wrt?
[15:11] <popey> http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=226164&sid=4b2e51cd09b6f7932ce63662c7d810e7
[15:12] <Azelphur> interesting
[15:12] <Azelphur> can bandwithd do live?
[15:13] <Azelphur> most of my life problems are "Whos uploading at 100KB/sec making me have 1k latency while trying to play games"
[15:13] <popey> dunno
[15:13] <popey> i use openwrt, might do something like that
[15:13] <popey> apparently openwrt > dd-wrt
[15:14] <Azelphur> yea, openwrt doesn't work on my router :(
[15:14] <Azelphur> does openwrt do it, though?
[15:14] <popey> ah, bummer
[15:14] <popey> i saw references to bandwidthd and openwrt
[15:14] <Azelphur> ah
[15:14] <popey> might try it on mine
[15:14] <popey> gonna take my openwrt + 3g stick on holiday :D
[15:14] <Azelphur> I don't think bandwithd does live reports though, which is kinda what I need
[15:14] <popey> wifi enable the holiday house
[15:14] <Azelphur> nice :D
[15:14] <popey> you can use iftop
[15:14] <popey> for live stuff, sorry thought you wanted reports
[15:14] <popey> iftop is the puppy for live stuff
[15:15] <BigRedS> assuming it's one person per interface
[15:15] <diplo> I really like that idea popey as much that I'm seriously debating about buying the same router
[15:15] <diplo> Have a few of them on ebay on watch :)
[15:15] <popey> :D
[15:15] <popey> the wndr3700?
[15:15] <popey> it's a seriously nice router
[15:15] <diplo> yep
[15:15] <Azelphur> nice
[15:15] <Azelphur> now I just have to figure out why dd-wrt doesn't want me to ssh
[15:17]  * Azelphur attempts to install iftop
[15:17] <popey> which router do you have Azelphur ?
[15:17] <Azelphur> Linksys WRT610N v2
[15:17] <popey> diplo: the 3g dongle from 3 is awesome
[15:18] <popey> I'm in the middle of the building and still get rock solid 6Mb/s
[15:18] <Azelphur> according to the wiki, the v1 is work in progress, the v2 isn't mentioned
[15:18] <Azelphur> :(
[15:19] <popey> for openwrt?
[15:19] <Azelphur> yea
[15:19] <popey> get a new router :D
[15:19] <popey> then you can do backup internet with 3g dongle on it
[15:20] <popey> or Azelphur's own internet, not for anyone else
[15:20] <Azelphur> can do that on dd-wrt too
[15:20] <popey> with a usb dongle?
[15:20] <Azelphur> yea
[15:20] <daubers> popey: What was the router you bought?
[15:20] <popey> i had trouble with that
[15:20] <Azelphur> but no providers seem to have sane deals for backup internet
[15:20] <popey> daubers: wndr3700
[15:20] <popey> i have 3 of them :D
[15:21] <daubers> popey: Do you ever buy things in 1's?
[15:21] <popey> see my latest tweet
[15:21] <popey> no
[15:22] <diplo> yeah that was the one I was looking at popey, they do some fairly decent deals
[15:25] <popey> hmm, 7GB to use in 7 days
[15:26] <directhex> moo
[15:26] <Azelphur> the only thing that stops me doing usb redundancy is the lack of sensible deals from the mobile providers :(
[15:26] <directhex> omo
[15:26] <directhex> oom
[15:26] <Azelphur> I don't want to go on contract or pay for an entire days internet when my net goes down for 15 minutes
[15:26] <Azelphur> directhex: baa aba aab
[15:27] <BigRedS> How do I ask apt to replace all the config files of a package? I'd rather not do a purge and a reinstall 'cause there's several dependencies I'd rather not disrupt
[15:27] <BigRedS> --reinstall and dpkg-reconfigure each left the config be
[15:30] <BigRedS> alternatively, has anyone got a vanilla /etc/dovecot for 1:1.2.15ish that they fancy tarring and sticking somewhere I can download it?
[15:32] <diplo> We got any good people with Irssi in here that will be about later tonight ?
[15:32] <diplo> Going to set up on my home box later
[15:35] <MooDoo> diplo: don't you use irssi?
[15:40] <diplo> Nope
[15:40] <diplo> Xchat mainly
[15:40] <diplo> And want a central place that I reconnect to
[15:40] <directhex> bip!
[15:40] <directhex> bip.bip.bip.bip.bip
[15:40] <BigRedS> I'm a good person who uses irssi, but I'm not very good with irssi
[15:40] <diplo> So just bought my microserver and setting it up tonight/over the weekend
[15:41] <diplo> So any configs that can be shared/set up tips would be great tonight when I get in
[15:41] <diplo> Just set up my dyndns account
[15:41] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/ss3eD1i3
[15:41] <Azelphur> wat :(
[15:41] <oimon> is htc sensation any good?
[15:42] <directhex> oimon: it's htc#s second highest end phone, currently
[15:42] <Azelphur> shoulda pasted one more line, the ls returns nothing,
[15:42] <directhex> oimon: so if you like large-screen android phones, and HTC Sense, then yes
[15:42] <oimon> cool :)
[15:42] <directhex> on paper the samsung galaxy s 2 is better, but samsung's touchwiz is horrible compared to sense, IMHO
[15:42] <oimon> too much to keep up with
[15:42] <oimon> directhex: how u enjoyig ur new toy?
[15:42] <directhex> the htc evo 3d is a slightly higher end version of the sensation, with 3d gubbins
[15:43] <directhex> oimon: the phone is suitably phone-shaped. haven't had a proper play with the tablet yet
[15:43] <oimon> directhex: enjoying the TP but with a few app related exceptions
[15:43] <directhex> the experience running pre apps on touchpad is disappointing
[15:44] <directhex> and i miss the gesture area
[15:50] <oimon> i noticed that adobe reader doesn't have search, no edit facility in quickoffice (yet), no kindle app, lack of good free VLC app, and dedicated gmail app
[15:50] <oimon> stuff that was expecting. however the actual UI is nice to navigate and use
[15:50] <oimon> battery life is :)
[16:21] <Azelphur> popey: any ideas on http://pastebin.com/YKZaTqyF ?
[16:21] <Azelphur> sort of openwrt related :P
[16:22] <Azelphur> no matter what I do, it always says it's missing the dependencies, even though it's already installed the dependencies.
[16:25] <bigcalm> I now appear to have a 4 monitor set up, whoops
[16:27] <diplo> popey, you still here ?
[16:27] <MooDoo> diplo: you using irssi now ?
[16:28] <diplo> Nope, just this second started lappy up at home
[16:28] <MooDoo> ah
[16:28] <diplo> Going to start on it once I have got tea started
[16:28] <MooDoo> :)
[16:28] <diplo> just wanted to start copying files from my external device to new server
[16:28] <diplo> So no time wasted whilst cooking
[16:28] <diplo> :D
[16:28] <diplo> Geek with a new toy has priorities!
[16:29] <popey> diplo: ya
[16:29] <popey> diplo: leaving soon
[16:29] <popey> Azelphur: tried to install those packages?
[16:29] <diplo> Was your esata port enabled on your box?
[16:29] <popey> yes
[16:30] <popey> diplo: what you plugging into it?
[16:30] <Azelphur> popey: yea it just says the same, ipkg is grabbing the dependencies and "installing" them when I try to install iftop
[16:30] <diplo> External icybox esata hdd caddy
[16:30] <Azelphur> but then it says they arn't installed
[16:30] <diplo> Works  on my revo
[16:30] <popey> Azelphur: tried manually?
[16:30] <diplo> 1TB drive in it
[16:30] <popey> diplo: odd, checked bios?
[16:30] <Azelphur> popey: yea
[16:30] <popey> Azelphur: disk space?
[16:30] <Azelphur> plenty
[16:30] <diplo> Next check I think
[16:30] <diplo> cheers
[16:31] <popey> Azelphur: which one fails?
[16:31] <popey> Azelphur: if you install individually
[16:32] <Azelphur> none
[16:32] <Azelphur> if I install them individually it says exactly the same thing as if I install iftop
[16:32] <popey> eh
[16:32] <popey> so you can ipkg install libpcap
[16:33] <Azelphur> popey: yea
[16:34] <Azelphur> and when I do it it just says exactly the same, downloading, done, unpacking, configuring, done
[16:34] <Azelphur> and then go to install iftop and it tries to install it again, and then says it's not there :D
[16:34] <Azelphur> basically it looks like installing packages isn't working
[16:34] <diplo> Well there is 100+GB of files moving, now to feed myself
[16:34] <diplo> :D
[16:35] <popey> Azelphur: looks like read only filesystem to me
[16:35] <popey> :D
[16:35] <popey> nice one diplo
[16:35] <Azelphur> except ipkg update worked
[16:35] <Azelphur> and it saved the package list, and utilized it
[16:36] <popey> reboot, do it again?
[16:36] <Azelphur> could do
[16:36] <Azelphur> I've been recruited for dinner cooking, So I'll try that when I get back :)
[16:36] <diplo> Debating whether to reinstall the revo tonight as well, clean start for all systems
[16:36] <diplo> Still running lucid/mav on yours popey  ?
[16:36] <popey> lucid
[16:37] <popey> oh, revo
[16:37] <popey> uhm, 11.04
[16:37] <diplo> Work ok I am guessing
[16:37] <popey> well, i dont use it as a desktop atm
[16:37] <popey> it's under my desk switched off
[16:37] <popey> it was the server for oggcamp talk management
[16:37] <diplo> Mine dual boots atm, thinking of hosing and full natty install for my xbmc
[16:37] <diplo> ah
[16:37] <diplo> :D
[16:37] <matti> ;]
[16:38] <matti> Folks. Are ORLY books available on Kindle as well?
[16:39] <popey> matti: search on amazon ☺
[16:39]  * matti didn't had to change to Google yet.
[16:39] <popey> doesnt look like it
[16:40] <matti> ;/
[16:40] <popey> i tried a few and got the "tell the publisher you want this on kindle" thing
[16:47] <diplo> Any thoughts people ?
[16:47] <diplo> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdd1/ /media/usb1
[16:47] <diplo> NTFS signature is missing.
[16:47] <diplo> Failed to mount '/dev/sdd1': Invalid argument
[16:48] <diplo> Plug into this laptop and it mounts auto magically
[16:48] <diplo> With no errors :/
[16:48] <bigcalm> diplo: once you've plugged it into the laptop, what fs type has it used when you issue: mount
[16:48] <bigcalm> ?
[16:49] <diplo> NTFS
[16:49] <diplo> fdisk -l shows as ntfs as well
[16:49]  * bigcalm shrugs
[16:49] <diplo> heh I am at that point as well
[16:49] <diplo> :D
[16:49] <diplo> Tea! come back clean ideas
[16:50] <bigcalm> Coffee!
[17:00] <diplo> Hmm dropped the 1 off the end and it tried to work
[17:03] <diplo> hmm dropped off -t part and it has worked
[17:03] <diplo> :D
[17:03] <bigcalm> :)
[17:08] <bigcalm> https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/dzvQPhA1vXi
[17:11] <diplo> bigcalm, can you see if you can see this in a sec http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9091
[17:11] <diplo> Is that you ?
[17:12] <bigcalm> diplo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675382/
[17:12] <diplo> I like the tilted  screen
[17:12] <bigcalm> diplo: the g+ link is me, yes
[17:12] <diplo> yay thanks bigcalm, wat i wanted to see!
[17:13] <bigcalm> Oh, cool, you're welcome
[17:13] <diplo> Just need to get dyndns working with ddclient next
[17:13] <diplo> Looks exactly like my work desktop
[17:13] <diplo> nice littlejquery book you have there
[17:13] <diplo> Want one of those myself
[17:14] <bigcalm> Picked up the pocket reference at oggcamp
[17:14] <diplo> Really wished I had gone, had my kids that weekend though :(
[17:15] <bigcalm> Yay for having your kids :)
[17:15] <bigcalm> There'll be next year man
[17:16] <diplo> Yep, will book parents for next year if it falls on my weekend
[17:16] <diplo> Or bring them along :D
[17:18] <bigcalm> Indeed! Saw a few families there
[17:24] <diplo> One more favour and I am done bigcalm ?
[17:24] <diplo> http://alkesh.dyndns.org
[17:25] <bigcalm> iain@snafu:~$ host alkesh.dyndns.org
[17:25] <bigcalm> alkesh.dyndns.org has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:25] <bigcalm> But the URL times out
[17:25] <diplo> cool ta, ah yes might help if i open the port
[17:25] <diplo> :D
[17:25] <diplo> 2 secs
[17:25] <bigcalm> Have you set up port forwarding?
[17:26] <diplo> Done now :)
[17:27] <diplo> had the page open, hadn't applied :/
[17:27] <bigcalm> Still not going anywhere
[17:28] <diplo> kk, thats odd how about http://<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[17:28] <bigcalm> It works!
[17:29] <diplo> So dns not resolved properly yet some how maybe
[17:29] <diplo> thanks
[17:29] <bigcalm> As does the dyndns url
[17:29] <diplo> So Irssi next task i guess
[17:30] <diplo> ah you mean it works on url as well now ?
[17:30] <bigcalm> Yes
[17:30] <diplo> Thanks alot matey
[17:31] <diplo> Appreciate that, hard doing stuff easily like this from same ip.
[17:31] <diplo> Could vpn into work but that's effort :P
[17:33] <bigcalm> Or ssh to another machine and use w3m back to yourself
[17:37] <diplo> that's an idea
[17:46] <diplo> Oooh err irssi aswell, now I Just need to understand how to use it/configure it
[18:00] <bigcalm> diplo:
[18:00] <bigcalm> http://themusicninja.net/newsongs/Crush%20On%20You%20%28Knife%20Party%20Remix%29.mp3
[18:00] <bigcalm> Oops
[18:00] <bigcalm> cat iain@revo:~$ cat freenode.sh
[18:00] <bigcalm> irssi -c irc.freenode.org -p 6667 -n bigcalm[home] -h <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:00] <bigcalm> So it's nice and easy to ./free<tab>
[18:07] <diplo> Cool thanks, looking at adding it to start up as well
[18:07] <diplo> So if server reboots for any reason it auto reconnects
[18:08] <diplo> Do you not run it in screen ?
[18:12] <diplo> bbiab, got to pop and see parents.. thanks again for you help bigcalm
[18:16] <bigcalm> You're welcome
[18:16] <bigcalm> I don't use irssi unless I have to. Tend to use xchat
[18:25] <funkyHat> diplo: I have this line in my user's crontab: @reboot screen -dmUS irssi irssi
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> \o/ got the "We want permission to put fibre in your home" form today
[18:25] <funkyHat> diplo: I guess you don't need the screen stuff if you're just using it as a proxy though?
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> 500/500mbit here I come
[18:30] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: !!!! !
[18:30] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Heck how do you get that?
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://www.eindelijkglasvezel.nl/
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: most of the Netherlands will get it by 2015
[18:31] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Do you think you could annex Manchester ?
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Start learning Dutch
[18:32] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I will, but there is only so much I can larn off Droste Pastille packets
[18:32] <penguin42> learn
[19:09] <Azelphur> popey: think I found my issue, I have a 4GB USB drive plugged in and mounted on /jffs/ so it says, but apparently I only have 800KB /jffs/ \o/
[19:10] <Azelphur> nice, even though it was set to mount usb to /jffs/ it was mounting some block device.
[19:30] <diplo> And back
[19:30] <diplo> how are we all doing?
[19:32] <zleap> good
[19:45] <diplo> 400GB transferred, this is going to take all night :(
[19:48] <Azelphur> yay got iptraf working :D
[19:48] <Azelphur> iftop*
[19:49] <hamitron> diplo: how much in total to transfer?
[19:50] <diplo> Another terabyte at least
[19:50] <diplo> maybe more
[19:50] <diplo> Across about 4-5 drives
[19:51] <diplo> Just bought a microserver and 4tb of discs to consolidate it all down
[19:51] <hamitron> :)
[19:52] <diplo> Right onto irssi now i guess
[19:57] <diplo> freakyclown, sorry only recently got back. Noticed you mentioning about a proxy with irssi, what do you mean by that ?
[19:58] <freakyclown> huh?
[19:59] <Azelphur> anyone know how to get iftop to display a more useful view for monitoring who's hogging bandwith?
[19:59] <Azelphur> it seems to just show per connection by default, which is very difficult to read
[20:00]  * diplo finds what you wrote
 diplo: I have this line in my user's crontab: @reboot screen -dmUS irssi irssi
 \o/ got the "We want permission to put fibre in your home" form today
 diplo: I guess you don't need the screen stuff if you're just using it as a proxy though?
[20:01]  * freakyclown points at name
[20:01] <funkyHat> ⢁)
[20:01] <diplo> aha, lol
[20:01] <diplo> Ooopsy
[20:01] <diplo> Sorry!
[20:01] <diplo> < is tired :(
[20:02] <funkyHat> diplo: how are you using irssi? Connecting via ssh and using irssi directly, or using it as a proxy for another IRC client?
[20:02] <diplo> Not sure, never used it.. thought about just using directly via ssh
[20:02] <funkyHat> Cool
[20:02] <diplo> Want it running at home always connected is the main thing for me
[20:03] <diplo> So any tips that anyone has I'll play
[20:03] <funkyHat> Yeah, I wouldn't advise using it as a proxy, when you do that (same as with any IRC proxy) there are a few rough edges
[20:03] <diplo> Just found a few good links on the web that I was going to try
[20:03] <diplo> That's what I like to here :)
[20:03] <funkyHat> diplo: if you want it to run persistently you'll need to use screen or something equivalent. I use screen because it's what I know and it comes installed on Ubuntu
[20:04] <freakyclown> fwiw i had a box in a datacenter i ssh into - on that box is irssi running in a screen session
[20:04] <diplo> yeah, going to use byobu, just open a screen to try now
[20:04] <freakyclown> so i just ssh to the box screen -r and im in irssi :)
[20:04] <diplo> opened*
[20:04] <funkyHat> ah, byobu is a wrapper around screen
[20:04] <funkyHat> So if you like byobu use that
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> it is
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> quite a fancy wrapper
[20:05] <diplo> yeah, when i typed screen it actually tells you to use byobu
[20:05] <diplo> instead
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> I just use screen anyway
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> don't need the fancy
[20:05] <funkyHat> diplo: also you don't need to specify options for the server etc. on the command line, you can save servers and channels you want to automatically connect to in irssi's config file
[20:06]  * funkyHat has been using screen since before byobu existed, and already had quite a nice screenrc set up, so he hasn't really got much use for byobu
[20:06] <diplo> Yeah just read that, /save auto saves to a config file ?
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> diplo: in irssi?
[20:06] <funkyHat> Yep
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> diplo: it saves some of the config bits to a config file, yes
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> diplo: /save -> edit .irssi/config -> /reload if you don't want to look up the commands :)
[20:07] <funkyHat> You can do /network add freenode ; /server add -auto irc.freenode.net freenode
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> diplo: also /layout save can be nice sometimes
[20:07] <funkyHat> /help server and /help network tell you all of the other options you might want to use
[20:08] <diplo> Cool great thanks guys
[20:08] <diplo> Will see me joi n shortly
[20:08] <diplo> After i get my burnt dinner... oops maybe should have finished that first :D
[20:08] <funkyHat> The way I actually have irssi set up is with its own user account, and I've added a bit to the bottom of that user's .bashrc that automatically loads the irssi screen session
[20:09] <funkyHat> And on my computers that I actually sit at I've done alias irc='ssh irssi@servername' . So I just type irc and it appears :D
[20:10] <funkyHat> (actually I use autossh, so I don't even have to bother reconnecting if there's a dropout or I switch wireless networks)
[20:10] <diplo> lol nice
[20:10] <diplo> Will start small i guess
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> funkyHat: http://blogs.perl.org/users/smylers/2011/08/ssh-productivity-tips.html
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> diplo: &
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> diplo: ^^
[20:11] <funkyHat> This is the amount of thought I put into stuff just to save myself a few keystrokes. It's a problem I have
[20:12] <diplo> heh i do that with work, like to learn things properly at home and then take shortcuts i guess
[20:12] <diplo> Cheers MartijnVdS
[20:14] <funkyHat> That article says to put ForwardAgent yes in .ssh/config ... I think it's safer only to do that for hosts you trust
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> funkyHat: it says "Put it in if you trust the host you're sshing to. And its admin(S)"
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> "Note you should only use agent forwarding if you trust the sys-admins of the intermediate server."
[20:15] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: yes it does say only do it if you trust the host, but it doesn't explain how to configure it like that
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> funkyHat: What do you mean?
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> you either trust a host, or you don't
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> yo uconfigure it using the "Host somehost" sections in your ~/.ssh/config
[20:16] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: putting ForwardAgent yes in .ssh/config without putting it in a specific section will make it work for every server you connect to, not just those you trust
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> that's not smart
[20:16] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: exactly ⢁)
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> unless you're gullible and trust everyone :P
[20:17] <funkyHat> You'd be amazed how many people do trust by default
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> funkyHat: Tell me about it.. :(
[20:25] <daubers> Evening
[20:25] <zleap> hi
[20:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:29] <AlanBell> hi
[20:30] <czajkowski> hows you ?
[20:30] <AlanBell> I have beer
[20:30] <barrydrake> hi ... OK thanks
[20:30] <AlanBell> beer and unity hacking
[20:31] <czajkowski> back home for 1 night
[20:31] <czajkowski> back to castleconnell tomrrow
[20:31] <czajkowski> then back up again for dinner up here
[20:32] <czajkowski> sunday more visiting
[20:34] <barrydrake> Listened to Richard Stallman last Wednesday.  I think he's doing more harm that good for the general cause - (Gnu/Linux)
[20:34] <daubers> \o/
[20:34] <barrydrake> He's a triful extreme
[20:34]  * daubers has finished Halo ODST
[20:35] <daubers> barrydrake: Linux isn't RMS's focus. He's more of an exteme FOSS type
[20:35] <daubers> barrydrake: (Not that I don't agree with you..... )
[20:36] <barrydrake> I gathered that!  I just feel he's doing harm to everything Linux
[20:37] <barrydrake> I love his philosophy - I just feel that his approach is causing negative waves
[20:37] <AlanBell> linux is not his cause
[20:37] <barrydrake> tsunamis, even
[20:37] <czajkowski> he's a rude old fashioned man who should not be the face of the fsf if they want to get more people involved
[20:37] <barrydrake> Alan, I know
[20:38] <AlanBell> I am not sure that the FSF do want to get more people involved
[20:38] <daubers> barrydrake: While I disagree with much of how he thinks, I think someone like him kind of needs to exist. As a warning if nothing else
[20:39] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not sure the fsf does anything postive tbh
[20:39] <barrydrake> czajkowski: rude - certainly.   :P
[20:41] <czajkowski> meh i never want to hear rms speak again
[20:41] <barrydrake> my left wing friend considers RMS to be a super-fascist
[20:41] <czajkowski> i;d rather pull my nails out
[20:41] <barrydrake> quite
[20:42] <czajkowski> AlanBell: http://twitpic.com/6b3xqp view last night :D
[20:42] <funkyHat> I'm pretty sure that the church of vi thing is *supposed* to be just bizarre
[20:43] <funkyHat> (and I will use emacs just as soon as vimpulse makes it feel just like using vim)
[20:43] <AlanBell> czajkowski: odd, your recent photos are not loading for me
[20:43] <czajkowski> AlanBell: http://twitpic.com/photos/czajkowski
[20:44] <AlanBell> yeah, first one I see is great talk from @andypiper #
[20:44] <shauno> my only real problem with rms, is I really don't see any alternative 'figureheads'. and boy do we need 'em
[20:45] <AlanBell> and Jon eating rather too much burger
[20:45] <AlanBell> not that I wouldn't attempt it
[20:45] <barrydrake> there was this guy called Shuttleworth .....
[20:46] <AlanBell> there was a young lady from limerick
[20:46] <AlanBell> who installed Ubuntu Oneirec
[20:46] <AlanBell> she found it quite crashy
[20:46] <AlanBell> with looks rather too macy
[20:47] <AlanBell> and the app lens just esoteric
[20:47] <daubers> barrydrake: Goes with the personality type of F/OSS people really
[20:47] <barrydrake> shame!
[20:47] <czajkowski> AlanBell: eh who
[20:48] <mgdm> AlanBell: \o/
[20:48] <AlanBell> just making you feel at home L)
[20:48] <barrydrake> Zealots are necessary - but I'd hate them to rule the world
[20:48] <daubers> barrydrake: Also the way that the FOSS ecosystem work kind of precludes any one person becoming _the_ figure head
[20:48]  * daubers likes the work zealot
[20:49] <daubers> for some reason it tends to make me crave yoghurts
[20:49] <barrydrake> well, that can't be all bad
[20:49] <daubers> When the nuclear armeggedon comes, all that will be left are cockroaches and f/oss advocates
[20:50] <barrydrake> hmm!
[20:50] <daubers> who will lecture the cockroaches on their software being evil and proprietary
[20:50] <barrydrake> no rats
[20:50] <hamitron> was going to say I wanted to be a cockroache
[20:50] <AlanBell> and shout if you say "open source" rather than "Free Software"
[20:50] <hamitron> then you said about them been lectured
[20:50] <hamitron> :/
[20:50] <daubers> AlanBell: Or linux rather than GNU/Linux?
[20:50] <barrydrake> Y'all know the script
[20:51] <daubers> I'm just going to put this paper/glue/book on the hammer/screwdriver/saw/shelf over here
[20:52] <shauno> I actually cancelled my fsf membership very recently, because they just don't seem to do anything useful with it anymore
[20:52]  * AlanBell gets back to hacking the app lens
[20:53] <daubers> AlanBell: Heh :) I'm trying to mend the Samba docs :(
[20:53]  * czajkowski goes back to her cider
[20:53] <czajkowski> nn
[20:54] <barrydrake> I've had a frustrating time today testing oneiric ....
[20:54] <diplo> daubers, still not fixed your samba issue ?
[20:54] <daubers> diplo: I figured out which was write (i.e. the code or the docs) making the docs match now
[20:55] <daubers> diplo: Hopefully it'll stop someone else going on a maniacal killing spree if I mend it
[20:55] <directhex> so... BT infinity. yay or nay?
[20:55] <daubers> directhex: If I can't have, you shouldn't either, so nay (until I get it)
[20:56] <AlanBell> directhex: yay, but wall mount the huawei modem and check it is a "2B" revision
[20:56] <directhex> daubers: they turned it on over a month early here, compared to the last estimate
[20:56] <directhex> AlanBell: wall mount it?
[20:56] <AlanBell> directhex: and consider buying through plus.net
[20:56] <diplo> going for it at work shortly directhex just waiting a date
[20:56] <daubers> directhex: It's been on in my area for 2 months... but not intending to hang around long enough to make the contract worth while
[20:57] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, they overheat, must be vertically mounted for airflow
[20:57] <directhex> AlanBell: only buying direct from BT means no bandwidth cap
[20:58]  * AlanBell has 120GB per month
[20:58] <daubers> directhex: You don't get capped during the night (on plus net)
[20:59] <daubers> or your nightly usage doesn't count towards the cap
[20:59] <funkyHat> Well the fsf does free code hosting, but so do 100s of other places
[20:59] <AlanBell> £16.49 for 40GB per month or £21.49 per month for 120GB and a fixed IP address
[20:59] <funkyHat> Oh, scrollback. Silly me
[21:00] <AlanBell> directhex: personally I don't want a home hub
[21:00]  * daubers potters off to the land of nod
[21:01] <diplo> gn
[21:02] <directhex> plenty of VDSL routers on themarket!
[21:02] <AlanBell> really?
[21:03] <AlanBell> once you have the huawei device you just need something that will do PPPoE
[21:04] <directhex> as long as it's high end enough not to go ARGH DATA and die, yeah
[21:11] <popey> evening all!
[21:11] <diplo> evening
[21:29] <barrydrake> hey guys, time to go.  CU soon.
[21:41] <popey> Quiet night tonight.
[21:41] <mgdm> Indeed
[21:44] <diplo> popey, you will be glad for G+ api to be released ? Save you multiple posting :)
[21:45] <popey> haha
[21:45] <popey> Yeah, I could use gwibber then
[21:45] <popey> (not)
[21:46] <diplo> :P
[21:46] <diplo> Tried new one yet ?
[21:46] <diplo> This data moving is taking too long :(
[21:47] <diplo> Glad I used byobu now
[21:48]  * funkyHat moved ~650GB of data yesterday
[21:50] <diplo> Just shy of that now, seems to be going kinda slow
[21:51] <diplo> Another terabyte left yet :/
[21:51] <funkyHat> cor
[21:51] <diplo> Want these to finish before I start anymore off though
[21:54] <popey> diplo: copying from what to what?
[21:54] <diplo> 3 usb drives to HP Server
[21:55] <diplo> Wish I had stopped and got esata port working
[21:55] <diplo> :P
[21:55] <funkyHat> A microserver? Or some other HP server?
[21:56] <diplo> Micro
[21:56] <funkyHat> ⢁) I got one of those
[21:56] <diplo> heh, its all popey fault!!
[21:56] <funkyHat> Actually it is
[21:56] <popey> hah
[21:56] <diplo> He bought a revo and did a good right up on it so i bought one a few months later
[21:56] <popey> sorry about that
[21:57] <diplo> I debated about a micro server and guess what he bough one and wrote up about it
[21:57] <diplo> And...
[21:57] <diplo> I just bought one
[21:57] <diplo> :D
[21:57] <funkyHat> I'm pretty please with it, though I haven't really started using it yet
[21:57] <diplo> I have these things on my mind but just don't have the ooomph to do it
[21:57] <popey> well, thats very nice that you trust what I write
[21:57] <funkyHat> I'm moving out and going to uni and it's going to be my gateway+storage+mpd+whatever box
[21:57] <diplo> It's part that and part that I'm glad someone else took the hjump before me
[21:57] <popey> :D
[21:58] <diplo> Mines mainly for my media
[21:58] <popey> my microserver is mostly for backups
[21:58] <diplo> Backed up a lot of my dvds and my kids dvds
[21:58] <popey> it's got 4x2TB drives in it
[21:58] <popey> backs up lug.org.uk, ubuntu-uk.org and a bunch of other stuff
[21:58] <funkyHat> popey: md-raid?
[21:58] <popey> yes
[21:58] <popey> md0 : active raid10 sdc1[1] sdb1[2] sde1[0] sdd1[3]<PHONE_NUMBER> blocks 64K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] [UUUU]
[21:59] <diplo> I'd like to have had more discs, money though :(
[21:59] <diplo> Few months maybe
[21:59] <funkyHat> I'm running FreeBSD on mine actually, currently still on the original 250GB HDD, but I've just put a 2TB drive in it and I'm going to set up ZFS
[21:59] <diplo> How bloody big are the backups popey ?
[21:59] <popey> 2.9T  2.2T  632G  78% /srv
[21:59] <popey> getting full!
[22:00] <popey> its also my get_iplayer machine :D
[22:00] <funkyHat> hehe
[22:00] <diplo> lug people using up a fair bit then
[22:00] <mgdm> I ought to get one of those one day
[22:00] <diplo> Your ISP are happy with you on initial backup then
[22:00] <diplo> :D
[22:00] <funkyHat> Well they keep extending the "just this month" £100 cashback offer
[22:00] <diplo> heh yeah same.. 31st sept now
[22:00] <mgdm> ooo
[22:00] <diplo> was my final decision
[22:01] <diplo> Got myself a 0% for 15months Credit card and set up a standing order to pay it off over 15 months
[22:02] <funkyHat> My £100 cheque is sitting right here actually
[22:02] <diplo> Just filled mine out today
[22:03] <funkyHat> It will take a good month to arriv
[22:03] <funkyHat> e
[22:03] <diplo> yeah it does warn that.. it's fine. with the credit card i'm quite happy tbh
[22:03] <diplo> Saves me spending too much in one month, leaves me spare cash if car breaks down as well
[22:04] <popey> diplo: yeah, not too bad, I'm on virgin, 30MB down, 3Mb up, so I just let it backup 4 times a day
[22:04] <funkyHat> I don't have a job at the moment so I can't sign up for any more credit cards, so no 0% offers for me
[22:04] <diplo> I'm seriously debating going back to Virgin.. do miss the high speeds
[22:05] <diplo> heh, just paid one off, credit from my Electric company for £500 \o/
[22:05] <diplo> I hate credit cards, but they do have uses
[22:05] <popey> yeah, i haven't had much problem with virgin
[22:05] <diplo> Last one was my ex wifes who left me lots :(
[22:06] <diplo> I was with them 12 years or so.
[22:06] <popey> erk
[22:06] <popey> how long have you been split up?
[22:06] <popey> (if you dont mind me asking)
[22:06] <funkyHat> I like credit cards, but then I'm quite good with managing money
[22:06] <diplo> Only reason I left was a Friends and family deal with sky uber cheap
[22:06] <popey> yeah, I'm on a "mates rates" deal with virgin
[22:06] <diplo> We were married 11 years, together nigh on 17, left me in november moved out end jan
[22:07] <popey> oh, quite recently.
[22:07] <diplo> yep, hit me like a ton of bricks :/
[22:07] <popey> sorry to hear that
[22:07] <diplo> Been a wreck for a few months
[22:07] <popey> i can only imagine
[22:07] <diplo> But on the up slowly, 2 boys as well which has been the hardest
[22:08] <popey> see them regularly?
[22:08] <mgdm> diplo: sorry to hear that :/
[22:08] <popey> my brother in law recently split, 3 kids, so yeah, horrid for everyone
[22:08] <diplo> This server etc is a treat to myself to give me more you know happiness i guess, geeks toys
[22:08] <popey> :D
[22:08] <popey> yeah, I do that now and then
[22:08] <diplo> yeah I have them every week for 3-4 days a week
[22:08] <popey> wow, thats better than most!
[22:09] <diplo> She couldn't handle them full time
[22:09] <popey> yeah, boys can be a handful :D
[22:09] <diplo> Defo daddys boys
[22:09] <diplo> I kept the house as well
[22:09] <popey> that must make it easier if the kids get to come to the family home regularly?
[22:10] <diplo> We could barely afford it some months with 2 of us, now I run the place on my own and get by ok.. bloody odd!
[22:10] <diplo> Oh defo.. if i didn't see them I honestly think 2-3 months ago I may not have been here.. was *that* bad
[22:11] <diplo> Never understood how people could feel / do stuff like that, but now i totally see it
[22:11] <popey> yeah, you never know till it hits
[22:11] <popey> at least the server was a relatively cheap treat :D
[22:11] <freakyclown> wow cheery channel tonight ;)
[22:11] <diplo> It's the first thing I've bought myself in 3 years :P
[22:12] <popey> hehe,
[22:12] <diplo> Also lost 6 stone!
[22:12]  * popey runs up and cuddles freakyclown
[22:12]  * funkyHat ♡s backuppc
[22:12] <diplo> Back to my slim jim days
[22:12] <popey> blimey, I could do with losing 6 stone
[22:12] <diplo> heh freakyclown
[22:12]  * popey runs off to kick the wife out
[22:12] <mgdm> How much do the microservers go for?
[22:12] <diplo> So did I!!
[22:12] <funkyHat> mgdm: £235 ish, so £135 after cashback
[22:12] <diplo> About £136 with cash back
[22:12] <mgdm> nice
[22:12] <diplo> :D
[22:13] <diplo> Get 1gb ram and 250gb hdd for that as well
[22:13] <funkyHat> Which is less than the mini-itx motherboard (on its own!) I was looking at before I saw popey's post on the mailing list about the microserver
[22:13] <popey> oh they've upped the disk
[22:13] <popey> mine has 160GB
[22:13] <popey> not that it matters much
[22:13] <diplo> yeah it was when i first looked
[22:13] <mgdm> where's a good place to get them?
[22:13] <diplo> nope, won't use mine at all I doubr
[22:14] <diplo> ebuyer
[22:14] <popey> ebuyer
[22:14] <diplo> Ordered at 4pm, delivered 10am next day \o/
[22:14] <popey> blimey
[22:14] <diplo> Free
[22:14] <funkyHat> mgdm: I got mine from kikatek, it was a couple of £ cheaper than ebuyer iirc
[22:14] <mgdm> nice
[22:14] <mgdm> I shall check it out
[22:14] <popey> i got mine from it247
[22:14] <popey> 8 months back :D
[22:14] <mgdm> thanks guys, appreciate the advice :)
[22:14] <diplo> http://www.quidco.com/ebuyer/
[22:14] <diplo> 3% off
[22:14] <diplo> :)
[22:14] <popey> heh
[22:15] <popey> i always forget quidco
[22:15] <diplo> So did I, submit'd and went f***
[22:15] <funkyHat> Ohh I missed that (or it's more recent)
[22:16] <funkyHat> Oh, it says 1.5% for computing sales. Still worth doing
[22:17] <diplo> ah didn't look at it much as i had already hit submit :(
[22:17] <diplo> just saw 3% after
[22:17] <diplo> Was annoyed with myself again :P
[22:18] <diplo> I reckon I could be close to £400 in quidco if i actually used it everytime
[22:18] <diplo> Instead i have £2.50
[22:18] <diplo> :D
[22:18] <diplo> Old work colleague has saved/claimed back £1180 in last 18 months
[22:19] <mgdm> My brother uses it a it
[22:19] <mgdm> s/it/bit/
[22:19] <Azelphur> does anyone know how to identify which IP is using lots of bandwith using iftop?
[22:19] <Azelphur> iftop seems to show a lot of fields, all of them unmarked. Very unhelpful :(
[22:19] <diplo> Not used iftop :(
[22:19] <diplo> iptraf not work on it ?
[22:20] <Azelphur> iptraf looks nice :)
[22:21] <Azelphur> and it has a package :D
[22:21] <Azelphur> but when I run it it just says "Aborted" :(
[22:22] <diplo> this from your router ?
[22:23] <Azelphur> yea
[22:23] <Azelphur> diplo: oh hey, does iptraf not need to be ran on the router?
[22:24] <diplo> sure it does, got snmp on your router ?
[22:24] <diplo> Use nagios or something to monitor it with snmp
[22:24] <Azelphur> dunno, it's a DD-WRT :)
[22:25] <diplo> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/SNMP
[22:25] <diplo> Yup
[22:25] <diplo> So could have nagios or something similar monitor it
[22:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:25] <diplo> Cacti to sort out graphs
[22:26] <Azelphur> diplo: all I'm trying to do atm is monitor the baddies
[22:26] <Azelphur> more like a "Who's making my game lag" problem
[22:27] <diplo> ah.
[22:27] <diplo> Don't you live at home with your family ?
[22:27] <diplo> With lots of lines ?
[22:28] <Azelphur> diplo: living at home with my family is all well and good, but short of commandeering their computers to see if they are doing it, there's no way of telling
[22:28] <diplo> lol this me being active on IRC is doing good for me giving up smoking again
[22:28] <diplo> totally forgot to have one last 3 hours
[22:28] <diplo> :D
[22:28] <diplo> Set a quota, break it and it cuts off there connection
[22:28] <diplo> :P
[22:29] <diplo> Not sure how advanced dd-wrt is mind
[22:29] <Azelphur> :D
[22:30] <Azelphur> diplo: I don't mind people downloading too much
[22:30] <Azelphur> it's when they frag the crap outta the upload making me have 2000ms ping that winds me up
[22:30] <diplo> lol, QOS then ?
[22:31] <Azelphur> QoS only really works if you have a stable connection that has a stable bitrate
[22:31] <Azelphur> ADSL doesn't fit that bill :(
[22:31] <diplo> Made a difference at our work place
[22:31] <diplo> On business dsl lines
[22:31] <Azelphur> that's because you have a stable connection that has a stable bitrate :D
[22:32] <diplo> Or... proxy ? limit upload speeds
[22:32] <diplo> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Squid_Transparent_Proxy
[22:32] <Azelphur> I don't really wanna limit upload speeds unless I have to
[22:32] <diplo> All got fixed ip's or in a certain range
[22:33] <Azelphur> I just want to find out where the problem is
[22:33] <Azelphur> all fixed IPs
[22:33] <diplo> lol, so basically get iptraf working or your screwed
[22:33] <Azelphur> so a by IP view would be great
[22:33] <Azelphur> haha :D
[22:33] <diplo> vnstat ?
[22:33] <diplo> http://humdi.net/vnstat/
[22:33] <Azelphur> vnstat gives live output?
[22:33] <diplo> http://www.sqweek.com/sqweek/index.php?p=1
[22:34] <diplo> Funnily enough just installed it, and yet it still didn;t click ref you
[22:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:34] <diplo> hourly :/
[22:34] <Azelphur> :)
[22:35] <diplo> Type vnstat on cmd line i think you can get output there and then
[22:35] <diplo> but with daemon it updates hourly.
[22:35] <Azelphur> yea, but not live bitrates
[22:35] <diplo> Been a while
[22:35] <Azelphur> I use vnstat never seen that feature
[22:35] <diplo> iptraf or iftop
[22:35] <diplo> popey, again :D
[22:35] <Azelphur> I got iftop but it's confusing D:
[22:35] <diplo> Get most of my ideas from in here :D
[22:35] <Azelphur> and it's on the router working
[22:36] <diplo> never played with it, htop and iotop but iftop
[22:36] <diplo> iftop -i ?
[22:36] <diplo> specify a interface
[22:37] <Azelphur> yea, I did
[22:37] <Azelphur> it shows all the destination addresses and the computer connected to it
[22:37] <diplo> What part you confused with ?
[22:37] <diplo> yeah just installed and running it now
[22:37] <Azelphur> which is useless to me
[22:37] <diplo> quite nice
[22:38] <Azelphur> yea it does look cool
[22:38] <Azelphur> but the 3 fields on the right arn't labeled as to what they are at all
[22:38] <Azelphur> and I don't really care about per-connection, I care about per IP/computer
[22:40] <mgdm>
[22:40] <popey> bed
[22:40] <popey> nn all!
[22:40] <diplo> nn
[22:40] <mgdm> Oops
[22:42] <diplo> looked at the help whilst it's running Azelphur
[22:42] <diplo> with h ?
[22:42] <Azelphur> a little
[22:42] <diplo> lot's of options to toggle on and off displays
[22:42] <diplo> brb getting a beer and have a ciggie now ive talked about it
[22:42] <diplo> :)
[22:42] <Azelphur> yea, I didn't see anything that looked like it'd do what I want
[22:43] <Earthling> Hello :-) anyone in glasgow ?
[22:44] <mgdm> Earthling: hi
[22:44] <Earthling> Ello
[22:44] <freakyclown> did...did you just say 'ello?
[22:45] <Earthling> Course I did. Elloo the noo also :-)
[22:47] <Earthling> Ha fresh prince of belair is on nick. My wee sister has never seen it. I feel old.
[22:48] <freakyclown> Earthling: it was a movie quote ;)
[22:48] <diplo> heh Fresh prince was great
[22:48] <diplo> Azelphur, not sure tbh, only way I've really done it is with snmp etc using things like nagios
[22:48] <diplo> :/
[22:49] <Azelphur> \o/
[22:49] <Azelphur> tempted to just play with libpcap in python
[22:49] <Earthling> Aye still makes me laugh too. But for it to be on nickelodeon makes me wonder what kids think of the stuff on it. Some humour is adult
[22:49] <diplo> heh well share if you get it working, would be interested to see what you come up with
[22:50] <Earthling> Freakyclown excuse my slowness ha
[22:50] <Earthling> Using irc on my sony elm is hard on my thumb
[22:51] <Earthling> Cellardoor could you query of for a minute please
[22:51] <Earthling> Me
[22:51] <cellardoor> Earthling,
[22:52] <Earthling> Private query that is
[22:52] <cellardoor> Why? :S
[22:52] <Earthling> Just a few moments :-)
[22:52] <cellardoor> but what for :S
[22:53] <freakyclown> grooming--
[22:53] <cellardoor> Precisely what I fear!
[22:53] <Earthling> Once upon a time people would query simply. I just wanted to ask you something of interest
[22:53] <cellardoor> ask it here then :)
[22:54] <Earthling> Grooming is for undernet lol
[22:54] <mgdm> steady on
[22:54] <cellardoor> Precisely - If you want to ask a question to a stranger just ask it here ^^
[22:55] <Earthling> Your nick cellardoor, reminds me of something
[22:55] <cellardoor> Donnie Darko
[22:55] <freakyclown> Trap Door ;)
[22:55] <cellardoor> "The most beautiful combination of words in the English language, is Cellar Door"
[22:55] <cellardoor> and that too ;D
[22:55] <Earthling> Beautiful words or something?
[22:55] <Earthling> Yes
[22:56] <Earthling> A line from donnie darko? Also
[22:56] <cellardoor> I am not even that big of a Donnie Darko fan, just thought it was nice at the time.
[22:57] <Earthling> It is nice. There is a movie company of that name also
[22:57] <Earthling> The sound mout lots pounds french or something
[22:57] <cellardoor> I just never understood the damned plotline of the film.. I mean I 'get it'. But I don't fully understand all the connections - if that makes sense?
[22:57] <Earthling> Out loud sounds
[22:57] <cellardoor> Oh - best Ubuntu Twitter-related client?
[22:57] <Earthling> Yes makes sense.
[23:12] <Earthling> Lol never do a channel list on a candybar phone  on freenode
[23:12] <penguin42> ouch
[23:13] <Earthling> Mmhmm it was just taking too long
[23:13] <Earthling> Now bear grylls is on
[23:14] <Earthling> That man has plenty guts
[23:29] <Earthling> Anyone remember the name of that social ubuntu channel?
[23:30] <hamitron> !social
[23:31] <hamitron> worth a try ;)
[23:31] <hamitron> !offtopic
[23:31] <Earthling> Could be that
[23:31] <hamitron> tbh, we are kinda casual in here
[23:31] <hamitron> :)
[23:32] <Earthling> Apart from query users ;-) lol
[23:33] <Earthling> Just bored. And only online via phone at the moment.
[23:34] <diplo> Oooh class old tune!
[23:34] <diplo> Vixen :D
[23:34] <Earthling> Turn it up :-)
[23:35] <diplo> Already worrying about neighbours :D
[23:35] <diplo> Not listend to these girls in years
[23:35] <diplo> Can remember buying the album in 1988 :(
[23:35] <Earthling> They are quite hot
[23:36] <diplo> Not so sure now :p
[23:36] <Earthling> ;-)
[23:36] <diplo> Been a night of reminiscing tonight, playing lots of 'Hair metal' bands i saw in 80's and 90's
[23:37] <diplo> Really must replace some of my LP's with digital copies
[23:55] <penguin42> anyone know if there is an equivalent of bash -x for python - i.e. show you every line it's executing ?


[12:04] <Alessio> ?
[12:14] <squinn> Alessio, #ubunto-it
[12:14] <squinn> i think that's what you're looking for
[12:14] <squinn> #ubuntu-it rather
[12:14] <squinn> thats where meeting it
[12:14] <squinn> is
[12:14] <Alessio> yes ;D
[12:15] <Alessio> thanks
[12:15] <squinn> no problem
[01:43] <solar> Is there a Martin Pitt in here by chance?
[01:45] <solar> guess not I'll mail him. thanks.
[11:41] <dholbach> hi
[11:42] <Nafallo> hi dholbach
[11:43] <dholbach> hi Nafallo :)
[11:43] <ajmitch> hi
[11:44] <dholbach> ajmitch: andrew! long time no see! :)
[11:44] <ajmitch> sorry, it's been awhile :)
[11:45] <ivoks> hi all
[11:45] <ajmitch> hi
[11:45] <siretart> huhu *
[11:45] <dholbach> ajmitch: don't worry, same for me
[11:45] <ivoks> long time no see :)
[11:45] <ivoks> doh... dholbach said that allready :)
[11:45] <dholbach> siretart: excellent work on the review thingie
[11:46] <ajmitch> dholbach: well, I just finished at university yesterday
[11:46] <dholbach> WOW!
[11:46] <dholbach> how do you feel today?
[11:46] <siretart> dholbach: thank you, but it's just a very rough sketch. do you happen to have a name for it?
[11:47] <ajmitch> same as last week
[11:47] <ajmitch> I'm back at work at the moment
[11:47] <dholbach> siretart: i'll think about it
[11:47] <ajmitch> siretart: yeah, it looks great :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> plans for autobuilder & all
[11:48] <ajmitch> we should probably wait the remaining 15min for everyone to turn up
[11:50] <dholbach> siretart: is it on the agenda?
[11:50] <siretart> dholbach: well, no. Stefan and I started it today afternoon ;)
[11:50] <squinn> Oh. MOTU meeting, right?
[11:50] <dholbach> squinn: yeah
[11:50] <dholbach> in 10 minutes
[11:51] <dholbach> siretart, \sh: you rock!
[11:51] <\sh> I don't think he means /me
[11:51] <\sh> this afternoon I was playing with nagra and not with ubuntu ;)
[11:51] <dholbach> siretart: which stefan?
[11:51] <siretart> sorry, I will need \sh with the autobuilding feature, but with stefan I mean stefan potyra, a friend from university
[11:52] <dholbach> ah cool
[11:52] <\sh> but I'm on for those adventures :)
[11:52] <dholbach> well, we have 8 minutes for everybody to add something to MOTUMeeting
[11:53] <ivoks> heh
[11:54] <ajmitch> siretart: I think that the autobuilding should be 'easy enough' :)
[11:54] <siretart> \sh: I'd suggest that I'll try to get something workable done on my vserver (tauware.de), and then we could work together on the next version with autobulding support. what do you think?
[11:54] <\sh> ajmitch, the easiest way is pbuilder
[11:54] <Nafallo> haha. this meeting seems to be \sh :-)
[11:54] <\sh> everything is blinking red here
[11:54] <siretart> ajmitch: yes, but I cannot on my vserver, because I cannot mount anything, no real chroot, no bindmount of /proc, no autobuilding
[11:55] <siretart> its a linux vserver project, if you are familar with that
[11:55] <\sh> siretart, this is possible on my server...
[11:56] <siretart> \sh: great! :)
[11:56] <\sh> siretart, we can do this like mithradie and maswan on ravel
[11:57] <siretart> err, mithradie? maswan? ravel?
[11:57] <ivoks> :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> mithrandir
[11:57] <ivoks> ravel is amd64 machine
[11:57] <ivoks> with lots of chroots
[11:57] <Nafallo> in Ume, Sweden :-)
[11:57] <siretart> aaah!
[11:58] <siretart> that'll be great!
[11:58] <ajmitch> \sh: I would offer as well, but my bandwidth is a little less ;)
[11:58] <ivoks> great place to test building of packages
[11:58] <ivoks> Mithrandir: god bless you :)
[11:58] <\sh> ajmitch, when this project will rock, we need some hardware sponsorship (harddrive space, ram etc.)
[11:58] <ajmitch> \sh: perhaps from canonical
[11:58] <dholbach> LeslieViljoen in here?
[11:58] <Nafallo> Day changed to 21 Jun 2005
[11:59] <ivoks> not yet :)
[11:59] <\sh> ajmitch, well, not actually...we should make it community thingie
[11:59] <Nafallo> aha, the damn clock is off on this server again :-P
[11:59] <\sh> but if ubuntu core sees a good thing to help motu, i don't mind ;)
[11:59] <ivoks> ok 00:00
[12:00] <ogra> \sh, ajmitch there are vserver possibilitys... i think we can get something...
[12:00] <ajmitch> ogra: great
[12:00] <\sh> ogra, vservers for chroots?
[12:00] <siretart> why not?
[12:00] <ogra> \sh, no, but for such tools...
[12:00] <\sh> hmm.pbuilder doesn't need something like a chroot ;)
[12:01] <ogra> \sh, i'm not sure how much or if anything is free currently, but i know the doc team gets something like a vserver
[12:01] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael
[12:01] <tritium> hey Daniel :)
[12:01] <dholbach> tritium: how are you?
[12:01] <ogra> so it should be possible for us too
[12:01] <\sh> ogra, right now, we're fine...


[03:24] <ryanp> HI! cant seem to get wifi adapter working since i updated to ubuntu 20.04.2 any ideas???
[21:49] <xu-help94w> Hi everyone, I need some help. I'm new to the Linux world and I've been using Xubuntu for three weeks now. I've just noticed that "Software" disappeared from my menu. I usually install everything using apt in the terminal but I'd like to understand why Software it's not there anymore. Thank you!
[21:50] <gnrp> xu-help94w: I suppose you are referring to the "gnome-software" package
[21:50] <gnrp> maybe it was removed? Check `dpkg -l | grep gnome-software`
[21:51] <xu-help94w> Yes, exactly, I didn't remember the correct name, sorry about that
[21:52] <xu-help94w> I just checked and it appears in the list
[21:53] <xu-help94w> Should I try to reinstall it even if it appears?
[21:56] <gnrp> xu-help94w: It will likely appear in the list. It depends on what the first two letters in the list say
[21:56] <gnrp> but yeah, try to reinstall it. If it is already installed, apt will just do nothing at all
[21:57] <xu-help94w> I'll try to reinstall it then. I don't think I'm gonna use it, but I like to know that it's here, if that makes sense
[21:58] <xu-help94w> Thanks a lot for the help!
 Okay, now it's back again, I really don't now why it disappeared in the first place
[22:00] <xu-help94w> Thanks again!
[22:36] <metbsd> i'm not able to make mailspring as my default mail client in xubuntu
[22:36] <metbsd> xfce
[22:36] <metbsd> it's not shown in default