[00:10] <jrwren> TIL: there is a brewery named brubuntu
[00:48] <cmaloney> jrwren: where is this. I think there's a field trip waiting for us
[03:30] <cmaloney> New Open Metalcast released.
[10:11] <rick_h> morning
[10:28] <cmaloney> morning
[13:06] <jrwren> cmaloney: I'm not sure. location wasn't listed on the untappd app...
[13:06] <jrwren> might be someones homebrew
[13:42] <gamerchick02> wahoo look who has a day off and is on irc!
[13:47] <gamerchick02> hrm, not enough coffee in the room yet, i see.
[13:51] <jjesse> morning
[13:52] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:53] <cmaloney> And yeah, we're here.
[13:53] <cmaloney> I'm just working on a report yippee shittie
[13:53] <jjesse> yay for reports
[14:00] <gamerchick02> get those TPS reports done yet?
[14:00] <gamerchick02> :-P
[14:00] <gamerchick02> but it's strange being here and hanging out with you guys. i'd love to have IRC access at work. no internet at work though
[14:01] <jjesse> cmaloney, would you rather create reports or a powerpoint presentation?  cause i might be willing to trade
[14:01] <waf> gamerchick02: nice, does work give you guys an extra day off, or are you taking this as a vacation day?
[14:02] <gamerchick02> haha. waf. no. i'm going to Canada tomorrow with  my mom and decided not to drive up to Saginaw yet again tonight after driving down to Auburn Hills yesterday.
[14:02] <cmaloney> jjesse: Depends on the presentation. :)
[14:02] <gamerchick02> also i wasn't in a state to drive back down to Auburn Hills. went to the Ren Fair. didn't drink too much but i wanted another cider. :-P
[14:03] <cmaloney> heh
[14:03] <cmaloney> So you called in "meh"
[14:04] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, i talked to my boss last week. :-P
[14:04] <gamerchick02> she knows i'm taking two days off.
[14:04] <cmaloney> So you pre-called in "meh". ;)
[14:05] <gamerchick02> i wish the Canada thing was today instead of tomorrow because i could take just today off and work tomorrow
[14:05] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, i asked for the days off. :-P
[14:05] <gamerchick02> i take one week for Supreme and… uh… maybe a couple others during the year?
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> I enjoy calling in "meh".
[14:06] <cmaloney> I'm just messing with you. :)
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> Hi gamerchick02.
[14:06] <gamerchick02> hi ColonelPanic001!! long time, no see.
[14:06] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: You haven't taken your turn for so long in govsgo that I forgot my password. :)
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> crap
[14:06] <cmaloney> and I'm not sure what it is because I didn't write it down. :)
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> I just went
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[14:07] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, that's ok. i just don't take a lot of time off, i guess.
[14:07] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, you write your passwords down? i am disappoint.
[14:07] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Thank you
[14:07] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: in encrypted files
[14:07] <gamerchick02> but you need the password to get to your… passwords… right?
[14:07] <gamerchick02> :-P
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> I use KeePassX
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> I don't even know my passwords for a lot of things, by memory.
[14:08] <gamerchick02> i should start using one of those.
[14:08] <cmaloney> Actually, I used openid.
[14:08] <cmaloney> Whew
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> gets me away from using the same 10ish char passwords for everything
[14:08] <cmaloney> OK, I'll take my turn later.
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> instead I just auto-generate 20 char characters each time so they're all different, etc.
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, no rush
[14:09] <cmaloney> obviously. ;)
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> gamerchick02: lastpass gets mentioned a lot, but I like KeePass. Maybe just give them both a try. I haven't tried any others, couldn't compare
[14:10] <gamerchick02> i don't even remember the one i tried… lastpass i think, but i was too lazy to set it up. :-P
[14:10] <gamerchick02> Ren fest was fun yesterday
[14:15] <rick_h> woot http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?docId=1001373341
[14:18] <gamerchick02> that's cool
[14:18] <gamerchick02> i've always wondered why you couldn't get the ebook version of a print book that you bought for free or reduced price
[14:19] <jcastro> man
[14:19] <jcastro> so due to a surge of inappropriate content at conferences, OLF wants speakers to turn in slides early
[14:19] <rick_h> jcastro: :/
[14:24] <jjesse> who deems what is inappropriate and what isn't?  that is can something be offensive to me and not the people who approve the slides?
[14:32] <brousch1> jjesse: Then you should've been on the approval board :P
[14:33] <jjesse> brousch1, haha
[14:34] <jjesse> no matter what is approved you will always offend someone, especially in larger settings like a conference
[14:34] <gamerchick02> that's a good point, but people can keep things kind of business appropriate, yes?
[14:35] <jjesse> absolutely but in my mind a conference like that would limit what people could say
[14:35] <brousch1> That would make for the worst Linux conference ever
[14:35] <gamerchick02> ah
[14:35] <jjesse> can i deem something inappropriate if i disagree w/ it?
[14:35] <gamerchick02> i've never been to one.
[14:35] <jcastro> I just think it's dumb because no one's every said anything stupid at OLF
[14:36] <jcastro> just because people in some other conference suck
[14:36] <gamerchick02> i was thinking pictures of naked ladies or something in a PP presentation
[14:36] <jjesse> i'm sorry i disagree w/ your presentation so as a member of the board i'm going to deem it inapproriate
[14:36] <cmaloney> I blame brousch1's horse droppings slide at PyOhio for starting this surge
[14:36] <brousch1> :P
[14:36] <gamerchick02> which is inappropriate.
[14:36] <gamerchick02> that is kind of gross. *le shrug*
[14:36] <cmaloney> jjesse: One would hope that folks would be more professional
[14:37] <jrwren> i feel like you all are almost talking about this: http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/58312315360/uncensored-and-post-ada-initiative-sex-drugs-for
[14:37] <jjesse> cmaloney, i agree
[14:37] <cmaloney> But yeah, one person's inappropriate is another person's hysterical is another person's silly is another person's snooze
[14:38] <jjesse> is this the response to the person who made a comment to a buddy at a conference and some lady overheard it and tweeted about until that person got fired or whatever shit storm that was
[14:38] <cmaloney> jjesse: I think it's something with a Ruby conference and someone putting a swimsuit picture up or something akin to that
[14:38] <gamerchick02> hrm. i didn't know that happens. but i do think Val has been a victim of assault before so that's a major trigger for her.
[14:39] <gamerchick02> sorry i've read her stuff on linuxchix
[14:39] <cmaloney> No need to apologize
[14:39] <jjesse> agree no need to apologize
[14:39] <gamerchick02> and yeah, i can see that being a major trigger.
[14:39] <jjesse> maybe i'm just extra cranky this morning
[14:39] <cmaloney> It's unfortunate that bad things happen to people
[14:40] <gamerchick02> BUT that said, i do think if that talk was to be allowed, then there should be a warning on it: "triggering to rape survivors" or something.
[14:40] <cmaloney> Unfortunately it also causes people to become oversensitive
[14:40] <cmaloney> ie: quitting smoking can cause people to become beligerent about smokers
[14:40] <gamerchick02> true
[14:40] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: You can't know what will cause someone to be triggered by something
[14:40] <gamerchick02> i realize that
[14:41] <cmaloney> You might have a slide of a clown in your slide deck, and not realize that I have a severe aversion to clowns
[14:41] <cmaloney> or nyan-cats
[14:41] <jjesse> that will cause you to shoot your guns randomly in a crowd
[14:41] <cmaloney> (not to make light of rape)
[14:42] <gamerchick02> again it comes down to human decency. "hello, it's val from Linuxchix and your talk you want to give is about rape and consent and that kind of triggers me. i would like this talk to go through at the event but i would like a trigger-warning on the signup for it."
[14:42] <cmaloney> I just hope we don't get to the point where folks won't present because they feel they might unintentionally offend someone
[14:42] <gamerchick02> i mean that would help a lot.
[14:43] <gamerchick02> i understand where you're coming from. rape and abuse is a huge trigger for many people and there probably should be a "warning" or something on the signup for the talk so people know what they're getting into
[14:43] <jjesse> gamerchick02, agree but why would you have a talk about rape and abuse at a linux conference?
[14:44] <cmaloney> I'm not familiar with the situation concerning Val
[14:44] <gamerchick02> that's a good point.
[14:45] <cmaloney> I wonder when we guaranteed that folks wouldn't be offended.
[14:46] <cmaloney> I understand minimizing childish behaviour (brousch) but guaranteeing that folks won't be offended is a new level.
[14:46] <gamerchick02> http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2012/10/29/the-linux-community-cant-remain-silent-while-leaders-make-anti-woman-comments/
[14:46] <cmaloney> Ah, the Linux debacle
[14:46] <cmaloney> Linus debacle
[14:47] <cmaloney> Whoops, wrong debacle
[14:48] <gamerchick02> hah
[14:48] <gamerchick02> there's many apparently
[14:49] <cmaloney> Not going to read the whole thing (at work)
[14:49] <cmaloney> I think that's the crossroads of logic vs. emotion, though
[14:49] <cmaloney> and you're never going to have a productive discussion when you mix the two
[14:49] <jrwren> jjesse: http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/58312315360/uncensored-and-post-ada-initiative-sex-drugs-for   READ
[14:50] <jrwren> its NOT about rape. its about sex and drugs related to hacker culture
[14:50] <cmaloney> jrwren: The one that gamerchick02 posted was
[14:51] <gamerchick02> jwren i read it
[14:51] <jrwren> that one is a reaction to a reaction.
[14:52] <gamerchick02> very interesting and possibly a good thing to have at a hacker event but there should be a trigger warning on it
[14:52] <jjesse> thanks jrwren
[14:52] <jrwren> gamerchick02: its a really good point. trigger sensitivity is one that I'd not thought of.
[14:53] <cmaloney> And this gets back to the pragmatic view: if folks have to worry who they might offend, they'll stop speaking
[14:53] <cmaloney> At least the ones that feel it will be a hassle.
[14:53] <jrwren> @violetblue should not have to deal with what sure sounds like a personal vendetta
[14:53] <jrwren> I'm for open discourse, not surpressed voices.
[14:54] <cmaloney> I'm sure jcastro had a moment of "sheehs, now I have to have my slide deck ready weeks before I'm presenting"
[14:54] <gamerchick02> that's true but if you put it out there that it might be offensive or triggering to certain people, then those people won't go to that particular talk. i'm sure there are a bunch of talks that people can go to instead of the sex and drugs and rape talk.
[14:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: Me too
[14:54] <cmaloney> Whatever my views on violetblue, she has the right to say them
[14:54] <jrwren> you mean the "sex +/- Drugs: Knwon Vulnerabilty Exploits" talk?
[14:54] <cmaloney> You can be a bigotted asshole with the vilest opinions. You have a right to those opinions.
[14:55] <cmaloney> and I have the right to pop you in the mouth to correct them. ;)
[14:55] <brousch1> You do not
[14:55] <jrwren> you don't have a right to a stage and podium at a conference.
[14:55] <jrwren> those have to be earned.
[14:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: Agreed
[14:55] <jrwren> once they are earned, i feel you have a right to know if someone is trying to take them from you.
[14:56] <greg-g> and..... moved
[14:56] <jrwren> and a right to defend your position.
[14:56] <jrwren> greg-g: you moved?!?!  congrats!!!  I only wish it was to Ann Arbor.
[14:56] <greg-g> I now live where they make Lagunitas, and TWiT. Win some lose some.
[14:56] <cmaloney> greg-g: Whereabouts?
[14:56] <cmaloney> Ah, near Petaluma?
[14:57] <gamerchick02> greg-g grats on the move.
[14:57] <cmaloney> What's wrongiw th TWiT?
[14:57] <greg-g> hah
[14:57] <greg-g> Yeah, Petaluma.
[14:57] <gamerchick02> Petaluma? what state?
[14:57] <greg-g> thanks all
[14:57] <greg-g> CA
[14:57] <gamerchick02> oh
[14:57] <cmaloney> From the Carpool episode Leo did with Robert Llewelyn, it looked like an idyllic neighborhood
[14:58] <greg-g> about an hour north of the city. Bus took 1:15 this morning. So, about like what I was doing SF -> Mountain View
[14:58] <greg-g> cmaloney: it totally is
[14:58] <cmaloney> greg-g: With 110% less douchebag
[14:58] <greg-g> but, bbiab, two back to back meetings here this morning.
[14:58] <greg-g> cmaloney: oh hellz yeah
[14:58] <jcastro> cmaloney: yeah I am used to doing them the day before
[14:58] <cmaloney> jcastro: We all are. :)
[14:59] <cmaloney> Keeps the material fresh
[14:59] <brousch1> I learn new things right up until the talk, might as well include those things
[14:59] <brousch1> Things move fast. A month old talk is out of date
[15:01] <gamerchick02> unfortunately.
[15:01] <gamerchick02> or fortunately, depending on how you look at it.
[15:01] <gamerchick02> 11 am. i should go to Past Queens today at 12:30 but i kinda want to get food with my brother.
[15:03] <brousch1> A Freddie Mercury memorial?
[15:03] <gamerchick02> lunch for the Past Queens from our Daughters of the Nile temple.
[15:05] <gamerchick02> but a Freddie Mercury memorial would be hella cool
[15:10] <gamerchick02> cmaloney: i hate football too.
[15:11] <jrwren> i especially hated football this weekend. it took away from ESPN coverage of US Open. I like Tennis
[15:11] <gamerchick02> i like tennis but i have mixed feelings about the whole thing.
[15:12] <jrwren> please share your feelings aobut tennis.
[15:12] <gamerchick02> i'm still hurting from breakup from boyfriend and tennis reminds me of him so yeah
[15:13] <jrwren> ah, i'm sorry to hear that.
[15:13] <gamerchick02> i'm doing a little better every day.
[15:13] <gamerchick02> in other news, i'll have more time to do bug triage now.
[15:15] <gamerchick02> but i do like tennis and i'll watch it more once i feel better about things.
[15:15] <jrwren> and more time to play tennis!
[15:15] <gamerchick02> i'm… not any good at it, i'm afraid.
[15:16] <gamerchick02> and yes, i've tried. it was a miserable experience for all involved.
[15:17] <jrwren> like any sport it takes practice.
[15:17] <gamerchick02> enough ex-boyfriend woes. here's a cat booping a dog's nose: http://cheezburger.com/7765920512
[15:17] <gamerchick02> (i'm a poet and don't even know-it)
[15:29] <gamerchick02> http://www.bugmartini.com/comic/a-technophobe-in-need/ anyone else feel like this sometimes?
[16:10] <cmaloney> I hate watching Tennis
[16:18] <cmaloney> Just had a PR person try to butter me up to "promote my music"
[16:19] <jrwren> hahahah
[16:19] <cmaloney> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/6SRSPJIj6kuLQZ4iOSFx/
[16:22] <gamerchick02> oh lol i love your response
[16:22] <gamerchick02> went and got lunch
[16:29] <gamerchick02> question for the gurus in this room: will banshee ever work with my 7th gen Nano?
[16:30] <gamerchick02> (which i'm thinking of replacing with an ipod touch 5th gen because the nano is inscribed on the back with a nice love note from my mow-ex.)
[16:30] <gamerchick02> *now-ex not mow-ex though i'd like to mow him sometimes.
[16:36] <cmaloney> I doubt it
[16:37] <cmaloney> Apple products actively make it difficult to use with non-Apple software
[16:38] <jrwren> any cloud-init peeps?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6059452/plain/
[16:39] <jrwren> apt-update-upgrade is failing. I think it might be because apt_mirror is mine with own keys and it doesn't have keys, but this trace is tough to tell
[16:39] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, that makes me sad because apple makes some damn good stuff
[16:40] <gamerchick02> jwren, is it not finding the files?
[16:41] <jrwren> what files?
[16:41] <gamerchick02> to update...
[16:41] <gamerchick02> unless i'm mistaken in what you're trying to do.
[16:41] <jrwren> its not trying an update.
[16:41] <gamerchick02> oh. then ignore me
[16:41] <jrwren> err, yes its trying an update.
[16:41] <jrwren> its not trying an upgrade.
[16:41] <jrwren> update works manulaly
[16:41] <gamerchick02> ok
[16:42] <jrwren> it fails on installing packages.
[16:42] <jrwren> could me failing to find packages, I guess.
[16:42] <gamerchick02> ah.
[16:42] <gamerchick02> rant: holy cow radio station fix your crap. sounds like a CD issue. bleh
[16:43] <gamerchick02> that might be the problem. makes sense to me i think
[16:44] <gamerchick02> says "list found" but i dunno. hrm
[16:44] <gamerchick02> i'm not sure if i'm helping
[16:44] <gamerchick02> sorry
[16:44] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Some stations don't check their music after they rip it. WRCJ has had problems with that.
[16:44] <gamerchick02> i'm listening to 90.1 out of Saginaw/Bay City. i think they still do CD
[16:45] <gamerchick02> it's the jazz hour right now
[16:45] <gamerchick02> now this song seems fine.
[16:52] <cmaloney> Most stations don't use physical media for over-the-air
[16:52] <cmaloney> They'll use some automated "jukebox"
[16:53] <gamerchick02> this is my NPR station and i *think* this show is live
[16:53] <gamerchick02> a lot of the time they put together the show and just add breaks when needed. hrm. i can't tell anymore
[16:54] <jrwren> looks to be auth
[16:56] <cmaloney> http://www.stationplaylist.com/
[16:56] <cmaloney> I'm not sure they use that in particular, but they likely use something similar
[16:57] <gamerchick02> i was at the station for a pledge drive for once and they *were* live for that
[16:58] <cmaloney> Yeah, that you have to be
[16:58] <cmaloney> but generally speaking most of that stuff is canned
[16:58] <cmaloney> especially on weekends
[16:58] <gamerchick02> oh i know
[16:58] <gamerchick02> they feed from WCMU in the afternoons on sunday
[16:59] <gamerchick02> but they're usually straight up NPR feed most weekday mornings and stuff
[16:59] <gamerchick02> some Michigan Radio stuff
[16:59] <gamerchick02> there is someone there monitoring
[16:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, the news shows are a little different
[17:00] <cmaloney> But the likelihood of someone warming the chair during a music show is pretty low
[17:00] <gamerchick02> personally? i love this radio station and i wish they had a stream, especially on Monday and Friday afternoons (the Eclectic Chair by Trish Lewis on Monday 1-3 and Cookin' With the Oldies 1-3 on Friday)
[17:01] <cmaloney> I'm surprised they don't.
[17:01] <gamerchick02> OR they both did podcasts.
[17:01] <cmaloney> Seems like an untapped market
[17:01] <gamerchick02> they don't. makes me sad
[17:01] <gamerchick02> ALSO Rod Bieber's shows on Wednesday afternoons
[17:01] <gamerchick02> i LOVE those.
[17:01] <cmaloney> podcasts I can understand why they might not have one. Licensing music can get tricky.
[17:04] <gamerchick02> understood
[17:04] <gamerchick02> i want to share things that are on the radio here and I can't
[17:05] <gamerchick02> ok, strangeness on the mac keyboard, sometimes i type and get no characters, but this time i got a bunch of spaces. sheesh.
[17:19] <gamerchick02> ah, TWO hours of jazz today. The Session, then Silk Soul and Blue after. plus a syndicated jazz show at 2. i like this.
[17:19] <gamerchick02> or should i say "local jazz shows"
[17:20] <gamerchick02> AND they brought back Women in Music. it's on at noon on monday. man i wish i was living here again. :(
[17:21] <gamerchick02> and the oldies show guy quit. ok. i liked his humor.
[17:21] <gamerchick02> http://www3.delta.edu/broadcasting/q901/schedule.html that's the weekly schedule i'm blathering on about
[17:45] <jrwren> hrm... cloud-init apt_sources key inline is unfortunately useless. because my key is so huge it uses up all my userdata space ;(
[17:45] <gamerchick02> :(
[17:46] <gamerchick02> time to petrol ye olde automobile for adventure and fun. bbiab
[19:20] <jrwren> today's fail brought to you by zlib is not gzip.
[19:23] <cmaloney> That's not even an acronym
[19:55] <gamerchick02> grr i lost connection. sorry
[20:24] <cmaloney> no worries
[20:48] <rick_h> jrwren: :/ how so? We're looking at zlib'ing some stuff in our charm to shrink space used
[20:52] <jrwren> GAH!?!?!?!   not just missing key but multiarch enabled by default and disable was happening AFTER apt-get update, which makes apt-get update fail, becuase we don't multiarch
[20:52] <jrwren> sorry... rant.
[20:53] <jrwren> rick_h: zlib.compress(data) is different than gzip.GzipFile(None, 'wb',9, somestringio).write(data);somestringio.getvalue()
[20:56] <greg-g> do you say Raring like winrar or like rare steak?
[20:56] <greg-g> the ubuntu release, obvs
[20:57] <rick_h> like the rare steak imo
[20:57] <greg-g> hmm, I've been saying it differently then
[20:57] <greg-g> just heard an ops coworker say it that way too, I do like win rar
[20:58] <rick_h> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+raring&oq=define+raring&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.1861j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 click the button
[20:58] <greg-g> whoa
[20:59] <greg-g> google books data, man
[20:59] <greg-g> The University of Michigan says "You're welcome"
[20:59] <rick_h> yea, that's cool stuff


[05:52] <RAOF> While I'm in the neighbourhood, is there any reason we would not want the new xkb-data from experimental?
[06:25] <tjaalton> RAOF: probably none
[06:47] <RAOF> I'll finish off this merge, then.
[17:07] <dantti> hi, I'm running natty and since the upgrade my X + nvidia is really unstable, I tought it was a hardware problem (since the screen got corrupted), but now I have a way to make X uses 100% of my CPU, is there a way to upgrade my X to see if it fixes or downgrade it?
[17:08] <bryce> 100% cpu bugs are usually client issues
[17:08] <dantti> I installed openSuse with the same nvidia driver version, and the bug does not occur
[17:08] <dantti> I've found out that every time I maximize Konsole the screen stops responding
[17:09] <dantti> on my both laptops GF8400 and GF230
[17:09] <bryce> sounds like you found your faulty client
[17:09] <dantti> bryce: don't you think if it was Konsole in openSuse I should have the same problem?
[17:10] <bryce> not necessarily
[17:11] <dantti> bryce: what do you suggest so that I can fix this issue?
[17:13] <dantti> my X also freezes when I put nv-setting to use my vga -> TV works the first time, but when I disable X goes 100%... (which also does not happen in opensuse)
[17:13] <dantti> tought it might have a different X and it does have a different kernel version...
[17:13] <bryce> if it's konsole, talk to kubuntu/kde/etc. folks.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HighCPU
[17:15] <bryce> dantti, or switch to gnome ;-)
[17:18] <dantti> bryce: :P that's unlikely to happen as I develop K stuff :P
[17:20] <dantti> bryce: btw I killed kwin, konsole and X still 100%, seems more a nv driver issue with the current X + kernel setup (I think) since the other distro doesn't show the issue :/
[17:30] <ricotz> bjsnider, hey, is 275.09 available in a ppa for brave testers? ;)
[18:03] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hey
[18:05] <Sarvatt> ricotz: heyo! whats up?
[18:05] <ricotz> Sarvatt, how are you? :)
[18:05] <ricotz> by any chance, did you upload 275.09 somewhere?
[18:06] <Sarvatt> ricotz: eh, just eating some lunch while a system reinstalls. no I didn't, haven't worked out what to do with modaliases yet because nvidia_supported doesn't work
[18:07] <Sarvatt> tseliot did a change to just use the list in the README.txt but thats missing about 240 id's :(
[18:07] <ricotz> hehe, alright, i just felt brave enough to make my system more cracky than it is already :P
[18:07] <Sarvatt> there was talk of making jockey pull blob updates from x-updates automatically at UDS and figured it'd be better to go stable in there for now too :)
[18:08] <Sarvatt> ricotz: i'll get it packaged up today and let ya know
[18:08] <ricotz> i see, but edgers could include it then ;)
[18:08] <Sarvatt> yepyep
[18:08] <ricotz> great, thanks!
[18:08] <tseliot> Sarvatt: Nvidia don't guarantee that what we extract from the blob is supported. The README is their list of officially supported cards
[18:09] <tseliot> (i.e. some cards extracted from the blob may be only partially supported)
[18:12] <tseliot> Sarvatt: BTW mine is only a fallback. If the blob contains something useful, we use that
[18:14] <tseliot> Sarvatt: at least this is what I remember coding ;)
[18:15] <bjsnider> i don't understand how nvidia can justify not officially supporting a card
[18:16] <bjsnider> ricotz, i can't install the gnome-icon-theme-extras package because of a screwy dependency
[18:17] <bjsnider> the way the dependency is written would make it impossible for anyone to install
[18:19] <ricotz> bjsnider, let me look, i dont have it installed
[18:19] <bjsnider> it depends on two mutually exclusive versions of gnome-icon-theme
[18:19] <ricotz> bjsnider, this looks wrong
[18:20] <bjsnider> i thought you were going to say you did that on purpose because -extras has a file that would overwrite a file in another package
[18:21] <ricotz> bjsnider, this is a sync from debian
[18:22] <bjsnider> the control file is screwed up in debian too?
[18:24] <ricotz> bjsnider, yes
[18:28] <ricotz> bjsnider, i hope you can live without them for now ;)
[18:30] <bjsnider> i get constant x crashes without that package
[18:31] <bjsnider> i can only keep x going for 3 minutes and 12 seconds
[18:33] <ricotz> bjsnider, huh? seriously, these are icon themes...
[18:33] <bjsnider> i'm just kidding you
[18:33] <ricotz> :P
[19:12] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, did you see this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_snbsds_compare&num=1
[20:37] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: Intel's OpenGL stack on windows sucks? color me shocked :)
[20:38] <bjsnider> he should be testing against direct3d performance
[20:39] <Sarvatt> got me curious to see current sandybridge vs fglrx HD 5470m since those gpus are pretty much equal on the directx side in windows
[20:42] <Sarvatt> ugh this E6420 can not handle a i7-2820QM, Core 0:      +63.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)  idle


[00:00] <ali1234> uh... like demon you mean?
[00:00] <hamitron> ali1234: hehe
[00:00] <hamitron> they have a paki support line
[00:00] <ali1234> helpdesk is useless but email seems to work
[00:00] <hamitron> ;/
[00:00] <HazRPG> ^^, not quite
[00:00] <hamitron> according to the webby, business users have UK telephone support
[00:00] <HazRPG> we get internet speeds years after everyone else has been updated, and some places of cumbria are still on dial-up to this date T_T
[00:01] <ali1234> there are technical reasons for that
[00:01]  * hamitron can vouch for that
[00:01] <HazRPG> yeah I agree, but its mainly the companies just don't want to invest in it
[00:01] <ali1234> rural telephone exchanges use digital multiplexing which is not compatible with DSL
[00:02] <hamitron> annoys me when people moan about 3mbit speeds
[00:02] <hamitron> grrrrrrr
[00:02] <ali1234> a village with 10 hourses might only have 3 physical phone lines
[00:02] <ali1234> *houses
[00:02] <ali1234> not horses
[00:03] <hamitron> omfg
[00:03] <ali1234> so when 1 person gets broadband they have to lay a whole new cable over like 10 miles which costs loads
[00:03] <HazRPG> Egypt has finally upgrade their infrastructure to get at least 256Kbps to people... why can't we? (a first-world country)
[00:03] <hamitron> I got 3mbit!
[00:03]  * hamitron does a back flip
[00:03] <ali1234> HazRPG: cairo maybe, not "the middle of nowhere"
[00:04] <hamitron> rest have mud huts and get shot if they complain
[00:04] <hamitron> ;)
[00:04] <ali1234> i bet the situation there is no different, really
[00:04] <hamitron> and they are the lucky ones
[00:04] <ali1234> i doubt it's quite that bad
[00:04] <HazRPG> my granddad's (RIP) farm just got it recently
[00:05] <hamitron> the US has 56k users...
[00:05] <HazRPG> and that's MILES away from any city
[00:05] <HazRPG> hamitron: yeah but in all fairness they have more ground to cover though :P
[00:05] <ali1234> distance doesn't matter if there is no multiplexing
[00:05] <ali1234> it's about the number of cables in the ground
[00:06] <HazRPG> heh yeah I know
[00:06] <ali1234> they could give 1/4 of rural users fast DSL if they cut off the other 3/4...
[00:06] <hamitron> 3dB SNR is not good I assume? ;/
[00:06] <ali1234> because the digital multiplexer puts three phonelines on 1 cable
[00:07] <ali1234> what they actually do is shuffle the lines around when someone cancels
[00:07] <ali1234> *4 on 1, not 3
[00:08] <hamitron> 3 in 4?
[00:08] <hamitron> reckon cutting all the facebook users off would work then
[00:08] <ali1234> 4 in 1
[00:08] <hamitron> cut 3 in 4 off I mean
[00:08] <hamitron> ;)
[00:08] <ali1234> the mux unit works the same way as a DSL modem
[00:09] <hamitron> oh ali
[00:09] <HazRPG> I think I've started something here...
[00:09] <hamitron> btw, did you sort that image processing out?
[00:09] <ali1234> well i figured out it isn't linear
[00:10] <ali1234> i never figured out if it has a name
[00:10] <hamitron> did you code it?
[00:10] <ali1234> um. yes?
[00:10] <HazRPG> anyways, point was... I want reliable signal at home and places I visit, and going with a contract is just daft because circumstances change (for anyone) and they get stuck into a contract they hate.
[00:10] <ali1234> i coded it before i even asked
[00:10] <hamitron> what was the result like?
[00:10] <ali1234> dunno, i'm not actually using it on "images"
[00:11] <hamitron> k :)
[00:11] <hamitron> HazRPG: didn't you get a cheap phone?
[00:11] <hamitron> a friend of mine has 6 contracts, just for the gifts he can't afford :/
[00:11] <HazRPG> hamitron: it was a Nokia 6220 Classic
[00:12] <HazRPG> hamitron: so yeah
[00:12] <HazRPG> I now have a Google (HTC) Nexus One
[00:12] <HazRPG> but I bought that out-right
[00:12] <hamitron> :)
[00:12] <hamitron> I wonder how hard it is to build a phone
[00:13] <HazRPG> that was the first contract phone I've ever gotten... and will be my last... not use to having locked phones :/
[00:13] <HazRPG> hamitron: don't think its that hard, there are open-sourced PCB's with schematics n stuff that you can follow to make one
[00:13] <ali1234> pretty hard to build a good one
[00:13] <ali1234> even harder to get the software to work right
[00:14] <HazRPG> there are open-sourced ones that work
[00:14] <ali1234> yeah but assuming you want a phone that *doesn't* look like a ball of wires
[00:14] <hamitron> I don't mind how it looks
[00:14] <hamitron> :)
[00:14] <hamitron> if it looks like an amature bomb, all the better
[00:14] <HazRPG> haha
[00:15] <ali1234> http://www.todayandtomorrow.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/googlephone.jpg
[00:15] <HazRPG> I can't seem to find the ones I looked at anymore :/
[00:15] <HazRPG> typing in open-source phone/mobile seems to pop up with android stuff :/
[00:15] <hamitron> I want the first portable phone with a breadboard included
[00:15] <HazRPG> hamitron: haha
[00:16] <hamitron> that would be so geeky, it is cool
[00:16] <hamitron> "short pins 4 and 5 for silent mode"
[00:16] <HazRPG> http://www.opencircuits.com/Open_Mobile_Gadgets
[00:17] <HazRPG> that might help get you started dude
[00:17] <hamitron> oh ffs
[00:17] <hamitron> don't encourage me
[00:17] <hamitron> :/
[00:17] <hamitron> I don't want to be single forever
[00:17] <hamitron> ;)
[00:17] <HazRPG> I use to go on there to build stupid stuff with parts I have lying around ^^
[00:17] <HazRPG> hamitron: haha oops
[00:18] <ali1234> all these "open" phones use off the shelf gsm modules
[00:18] <HazRPG> heh, I've given up on relationships for the time being :/ too much hassle sometimes
[00:18] <hamitron> tbh, my idea was to use such parts ali1234
[00:18] <hamitron> :)
[00:18] <hamitron> not intending to work everything out
[00:19] <HazRPG> ali1234: well you'd have to... how else you going to talk with the mobile-masts ?
[00:19] <ali1234> gnuradio and custom gsm firmware, duh
[00:19] <ali1234> http://gnuradio.org/redmine/wiki/gnuradio
[00:19] <ali1234> good luck making a portable one though
[00:20] <ali1234> http://gnuradio.org/redmine/wiki/1/OpenBTS - make your own base station
[00:21] <hamitron> ali goes all the way
[00:21] <hamitron> :)
[00:21] <HazRPG> haha
[00:21] <hamitron> not happy to talk with others, he talks to himself...
[00:22] <hamitron> ;)
[00:22] <HazRPG> ;p
[00:22] <directhex> himself and RMS
[00:22] <ali1234> note that it can use asterisk to forward your calls
[00:22] <directhex> i'd probably jump off a cliff at that point
[00:23] <HazRPG> why do I keep thinking RMS stands for Royal Mail Ship :/
[00:23] <ali1234> it stands for root mean squared...
[00:24] <HazRPG> haha
[00:25] <hamitron> I don't get how RMS relates :/
[00:25] <HazRPG> hamitron: this is what you want: http://www.opencellphone.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
[00:34] <hamitron> awww guys
[00:35] <hamitron> I dunno if I can buy another phone
[00:35] <hamitron> :/
[00:35] <hamitron> who needs to waste £400 on a PSP phone
[00:35] <hamitron> \o/
[00:44] <HazRPG> lol
[01:10] <edwardteach> tuxxy, how do you get a shellium account ?
[01:13] <edwardteach> marvellous
[01:14] <hamitron> can't you just sign up?
[01:17] <edwardteach> no well last time i looked you have to do something silly like post yourself on youtube  dancing
[01:18] <hamitron> :)
[01:18] <hamitron> did you?
[01:18] <hamitron> ;/
[01:18] <HazRPG> why not ask #shellium on freenode ?
[01:18] <edwardteach> no i dont do dancing
[01:19] <HazRPG> I'm guessing you mean shellium.org right?
[01:20] <HazRPG> straight out the FAQ:
[01:20] <HazRPG> Why can't I login to the shell?
[01:20] <HazRPG> Becasue you haven't come into the #shellium on freenode to get your shell account activated. Registering gets you access to the site and shell but we like to speak with your shortly before we give you full access to our shell.
[01:25] <HazRPG> edwardteach: I just made an account on shellium with no problems
[01:25] <HazRPG> just make one on the site
[01:25] <edwardteach> yeah it was a while ago ..    was a whim   when i first used telnet etc ..
[01:26] <HazRPG> and talk to the people @ #shellium
[01:26] <HazRPG> ah lol
[01:26] <hamitron> don't you get an email first?
[06:50] <HazRPG> who's channel flooding?
[08:02] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:03] <HazRPG> howdy
[08:13] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:14] <HazRPG> evening ^^
[08:14] <screen-x> oh dear, not been to sleep yet HazRPG?
[08:15] <HazRPG> nopes
[08:15] <HazRPG> I'm currently doing the night-shift (sorta) heh
[08:15] <HazRPG> love working from home xD
[08:15] <screen-x> have you seen the oatmeal on working from home?
[08:24] <AlanBell> yay, openERP 6 just got released
[08:34] <HazRPG> screen-x: nope...
[08:35] <daubers> Morning
[08:35] <dutchie> HazRPG: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/working_home
[08:35] <dutchie> hi daubers
[08:36] <daubers> Anyone know a good hitman?
[08:39] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:43] <DJones> Morning folks
[08:43] <daubers> o/
[08:44] <danfish> morning
[08:44] <danfish> daubers: that sounds ominous
[08:44] <DJones> daubers: The only hitman I can think of is Brett "The Hitman" Hart, he was a decent hitman in a wrestling entertainment sort of way
[08:46] <daubers> danfish: Smug distributor I really want to give a good kicking because he expects me to fix bugs in blasted Windows
[08:48] <danfish> fully understandable then. Send him a stale cake as a warning?
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all.
[08:51] <HazRPG> evening
[09:13] <screen-x> daubers: I did have a good hitman, but he's retired now.
[09:16] <bigcalm> Hi peeps
[09:23]  * DJones wonders what the definition of a "good hitman" is, is one that carries out the hit successfully, one that refuses to do the hit because its morally wrong, or one that goes to confession afterwards
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> DJones: ah, the old "quality vs quantity" debate :)
[09:28] <freckle> DaveMorris: the second option is not a hitman at all
[09:29] <freckle> Anyway I prefer Micheala Strachan to The Hitman
[09:29] <DaveMorris> freckle: that seemed kinda weird poping up on my screen
[09:30] <DJones> Heh
[09:31] <HazRPG> dutchie: argh! Now I've started doing exactly like what those pictures show xD
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> freckle: you want The Professional :)
[09:32] <freckle> :)
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> don't forget to buy him some milk
[09:34] <ZMo> morning
[09:35] <DJones> Hi ZMo
[09:44] <gord> morning all
[09:52] <diplo> morning all
[10:01] <screen-x> according to NUT my UPS input voltage is 229, and the output voltage is 30940, that's quite some transforming its doing..
[10:06] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> 30kV.. nice :)
[10:33] <DJones> AlanBell: TheOpenSourcerer Any interest to you? http://www.kable.co.uk/local-government-minimising-spending-good-enough-socitm-21jan11
[10:48] <gord> i really shouldn't of enabled this talking alarm clock thing on my phone, it just puts me in a bad mood when i wake up to it telling me its gonna be -3 in the uk all day :(
[10:48] <kaushal> is there a way like notifier in ubuntu 10.10 for gmail wherein i get notified about the answer for the email sent by me ?
[10:48] <kaushal> since my gmail account is bombarded with 1000 emails
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> Living without an alarm clock++
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: filter away the messages into folders (tags..) in gmail.. have your inbox be empty except for useful mail :)
[10:50] <HazRPG> heh, I do that
[10:51] <HazRPG> I even made a special spam filter of my own for stuff I might read when bored
[10:51] <HazRPG> usually offers from sites I frequent, and like to glance over
[10:51] <HazRPG> and if I see nothing, rm all from box xD
[10:51] <HazRPG> (or label/tag)
[10:52] <HazRPG> why google didn't just call them folders is beyond me :/
[10:52] <HazRPG> since most people don't realise that folders are in fact just special files xD
[11:04] <davmor2> morning all
[11:04] <popey> lo
[11:06] <davmor2> popey: don't you mean "E lo"
[11:07] <popey> haha
[11:08] <DJones> davmor2: Thanks for that, I've now got the "Mr Blue Sky" tune rattling round my head
[11:08] <brobostigon> morning all.
[11:09] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[11:10] <AlanBell> hi Myrtti, feeling better?
[11:10] <brobostigon> morning Myrtti
[11:10] <davmor2> DJones: could be worse you could have greyson chances version of paparazzi in you head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDlC7YV5is
[11:10] <Myrtti> AlanBell: neck feels better, however due to family issues messing up my head I'm on sickleave
[11:11] <Myrtti> so: ho-hum
[11:11] <davmor2> Myrtti: :(
[11:11] <Myrtti> in other news: http://www.urbanears.com/category/plattan
[11:11] <Myrtti> no pink ones in stock :-<
[11:11]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski to see if she managed to find her missing lung
[11:12]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 oi no prodding
[11:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: :P how you doing
[11:13] <czajkowski> good bit better thanks
[11:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: find your lung in the end?
[11:14] <czajkowski> yeah once I woke at 5
[11:57] <screen-x> \o/ replacement rack rails arrived
[11:57] <screen-x>  /o\ they are exactly the same as the originals and still don't fit
[12:43] <danfish> screen-x: definitely Hammer Time ;)
[12:44] <bigcalm> Stop?
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> HALT
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: Hammer Time
[13:27] <bigcalm> Humm
[13:27] <bigcalm> Does Seesaw not work in Chrome on Ubuntu?
[13:27] <bigcalm> Just says "missing plugin" but doesn't say which one
[13:30] <bigcalm> popey: mind if I mess about on your server for a while?
[13:30] <directhex> bigcalm, works here
[13:30] <popey> feel free
[13:30] <bigcalm> Yay
[13:30] <popey> want me to reset the map and op you?
[13:30]  * bigcalm burns everything
[13:31] <bigcalm> I have no idea what being an op would do for me
[13:31] <popey> you can give yourself any item
[13:31] <popey> to play with
[13:31] <popey> e.g. TNT
[13:31] <bigcalm> And isn't the point of a server to jointly build stuff?
[13:31] <bigcalm> Ah, that's cheating :)
[13:31] <popey> or dick about :)
[13:31] <popey> it's not a map I am emotionally attached to
[13:31] <popey> others already blew up the spawn point last night
[13:32] <popey> so when you spawn you fall :)
[13:32] <bigcalm> I wondered why I spawned under water
[13:32] <popey> shall I restart it with a new clean map?
[13:32] <popey> uncheated upon?
[13:32] <bigcalm> Go on then
[13:32] <popey> ok, logout
[13:32] <bigcalm> Done
[13:33] <bigcalm> directhex: works now, how odd
[13:35] <popey> done
[13:39] <popey> bigcalm: server is up, no cheating :)
[13:39] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[13:49] <popey> bigcalm: just gave you a saddle :)
[13:49] <popey> you can ride pigs with it
[13:49] <exobuzz> what game are you playing ?
[13:50] <popey> minecraft
[13:51] <exobuzz> oh. dont know it
[13:51] <Myrtti> I just showed minecraft to dsample yesterday and he was all like "huh, and this is supposed to be fun?"
[13:52] <bigcalm> popey: I wondered why I just had a saddle. Ta :)
[13:53] <bigcalm> Myrtti: Looks aren't everything are they?  :)
[14:00] <andylockran> hey guys! afternoon.
[14:01] <andylockran> Need to write a script to trigger phone calls if email receieved to a certain address..  got asterisk setup to do the call handling.  Just wondering if anyone could give me a push in the right direction regarding 'best practise' for these kind of things?
[14:04] <popey> Myrtti: it's a question of taste :)
[14:06] <seeker> Mmm...taste
[14:07] <bigcalm> Mud house built close to spawn point. Will do for now
[14:07] <popey> Mmm...seeker
[14:07]  * DJones tastes a fruit pastille
[14:07] <popey> \o/ mud
[14:07] <seeker> Hai Popey
[14:07] <bigcalm> Though no lights yet. I'm afraid of the dark!
[14:08] <gord> i managed to log into minecraft last night, i found *white* tree's
[14:08] <gord> it blew my mind
[14:08] <bigcalm> Silver birch by the looks of it
[14:09] <popey> yeah
[14:09] <popey> and black sheep
[14:09] <bigcalm> The logs can't be stacked with original logs, but they yeld the same wood
[14:09] <popey> and octopi
[14:10] <popey> and fish!
[14:10] <popey> and dye!
[14:10] <popey> lots of new stuff
[14:10] <popey> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/3/32/Template1.png
[14:10] <gord> can't find any squid, its annoying, they seem to only spawn in newly generated areas
[14:11] <popey> yeah
[14:11] <popey> you have to go for a wander to generate a new map
[14:13] <gord> thinking about just throwing all my iron/diamond/tools into lava, walking forward till i find somewhere interesting and starting again some time
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> gord: rm -rf! rm -rf!
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> gord: save yourself!
[14:13] <gord> you have confused me
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> gord: Minecrack addiction intervention team, standing by :)
[14:14] <popey> i just removed the map
[14:14] <popey> and it created a nice new one
[14:14] <popey> also http://popeydc.dyndns.org/ <- automagically generating maps :)
[14:14] <gord> i play on a server with other people, don't think they would like that
[14:14] <popey> heh
[14:14] <gord> http://gordallott.com/img/minecraft.png <- automagically generating map with day/night transition ;)
[14:15] <popey> what do you use for that?
[14:15] <gord> err i'm not sure, mc something
[14:15] <gord> lemme check
[14:16] <gord> mcmap :) has a git repo so you can build from there and just use a script + cron to generate and change to night
[14:17]  * popey fiddles with the one he uses
[14:19] <gord> there was another utility i used with it as well, it was awesome. it got the terrain biome colours into mcmap - very pretty, but it screwed up the saves :(
[14:19] <gord> http://gordallott.com/img/history/history-1295553601.png looks like that during the day
[14:21]  * popey tries mcmap
[14:22] <popey> dutchie would like mcmap
[14:22] <popey> g++ -O3 -c -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -pedantic -DWITHPNG -I/usr/local/include main.cpp -o main.default.o
[14:22] <czajkowski> ▞▀▖▌  ▞▀▖▌ ▌▞▀▖
[14:22] <czajkowski> ▙▄▌▌  ▌ ▌▙▄▌▙▄▌
[14:22] <czajkowski> ▌ ▌▌  ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌
[14:22] <czajkowski> ▘ ▘▀▀▘▝▀ ▘ ▘▘ ▘
[14:22] <popey>  -pedantic
[14:22]  * popey jumps
[14:22] <gord> i heard that eventually portals will link servers, we can link up then :)
[14:22] <bigcalm> Yikes!
[14:22] <czajkowski> amazing what rest will do for you
[14:22]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski to judge how well she really is
[14:23]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[14:23] <davmor2> everyone down down south call the paramedics now there's something really wrong with czajkowski
[14:25] <andylockran> definitely..
[14:27] <davmor2> czajkowski: I take it you're feeling something near human again then :)
[14:27] <czajkowski> yeah
[14:27] <popey> gord: seems no way to tell mcmap where to save the output file?
[14:27] <popey> it just dumps output.png in the current dir?
[14:28] <gord> popey, seems so, i just move the files in my script
[14:28] <popey> ok
[14:28] <popey> will do that
[14:28] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: did you manage to get everything transferred in the end I forgot to ask you yesterday?
[14:28] <gord> there are other map software's that do a cool google maps zooming in/out thingy, but i never figured them out
[14:29] <gord> my world isn't big enough anyway
[14:31] <popey> http://popeydc.dyndns.org/
[14:31] <popey> yay
[14:31] <popey> thanks gord
[14:31] <gord> :) you got some weird chunks there
[14:31] <popey> yeah
[14:31] <popey> i blame bigcalm
[14:31]  * bigcalm looks up
[14:33]  * bigcalm ponders a mote of water or lava
[14:33] <exobuzz> erm. so this game. you build a world. and then what ?
[14:33] <exobuzz> the website has very little info
[14:33] <bigcalm> exobuzz: have a look on youtube for some videos
[14:34] <bigcalm> There are lots
[14:34] <ali1234> you punch trees
[14:34] <gord> exobuzz, lego.
[14:34] <gord> its lego
[14:35] <gord> its not a game, its lego in a dynamic changing world
[14:35] <exobuzz> ok.
[14:35] <popey> with zombies
[14:35] <popey> it's under development so stuff changes
[14:35] <gord> and skeletons that sometimes ride giant spiders
[14:35] <popey> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecraft_Wiki is worth a look
[14:35] <gord> only saw that once... live in fear now that spiders climb walls
[14:36] <exobuzz> it sounds like the sort of game i should avoid, in case i like it. i mean i dont have time to fix my leanto, let alone build some virtual world out of blocks]
[14:36] <exobuzz> :)
[14:37] <DJones> STOP THE PRESSES... Aliens discovered in downing street, Unicorn found in field in Wales, Duke Nukem Forever given release date.  Which of those three is the most likely
[14:37] <gord> exobuzz, no, you don't have time to do real world things because you are so busy in minecraft, not other way around
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Next time, lock your TARDIS
[14:37] <exobuzz> gord, that was my point, hence i should avoid it :)
[14:37] <seeker> DJones: The 2nd one
[14:38] <popey> exobuzz: its fun!
[14:38] <DJones> Heh
[14:38] <seeker> 3rd may btw :P
[14:38] <popey> my kids _love_ it
[14:38] <exobuzz> ive not even played the humble indie bundle 1 yet.
[14:38] <exobuzz> heh
[14:38] <gord> i'v seen people with families hosting tiny private servers and they all play together, its adorable
[14:38] <exobuzz> it looks like a nice idea though for sure
[14:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: Yes, thankyou. I ended up using lftp but it works.
[14:42] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: that's all that matters :)
[14:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's still a bit cludgy... There's no way I could find to get it to do a "silent" mkdir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556533/
[15:01]  * hamitron has his giffgaff
[15:01] <popey> :)
[15:01] <hamitron> ty pops
[15:01] <hamitron> :)
[15:01] <popey> no, ty
[15:01] <hamitron> so now I can spend ages considering if I should transfer my number
[15:01] <hamitron> :/
[15:02] <hamitron> tempted to not, then use this as a testing sim
[15:02] <popey> thats what I did
[15:02] <popey> i received a call on my giffgaff phone yesterday
[15:03] <popey> nobody knows the number
[15:03] <popey> probably automated spam
[15:03] <hamitron> :(
[15:03] <kazade> I've just totally reinstalled Ubuntu, installed all my apps, restored my Evolution backup, connected to U1 and back ready to work in just over 30 minutes... that's crazy
[15:03] <seeker> Giffgaff?
[15:03] <hamitron> be silly to phone me, I never answer
[15:03] <hamitron> ;)
[15:03] <popey> seeker: http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/popey
[15:03] <popey> :)
[15:05] <hamitron> tempted :/ http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9533
[15:08] <DJones> popey: Could have been a reused number, I've had that in the past
[15:09] <hamitron> phone the caller yourself and demand they stop in an abusive manner
[15:10] <hamitron> that normally stops it
[15:11] <hamitron> but popey is maybe too nice ;)
[15:13] <popey> :)
[15:16] <gord> popey, unlimited data for 15 a month? really unlimited?
[15:17] <diplo> heh my exact question to..! tempted as it runs on o2 network which i like
[15:18] <diplo> Is unlimited really unlimited?
[15:18] <diplo> The answer is yes, we are unlimited for personal mobile use - but not for commercial and automated use. Mobile Internet allowances exclude PC use and tethering.
[15:18] <gord> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jumpordie/5375065392/ <-- made in inkscape, not a photo
[15:19] <popey> gord: apparently
[15:19] <hamitron> how can they know you are not using it for "pc use"?
[15:19] <gord> interesting, might make for a good sim for my netbook
[15:21] <diplo> gord, thats bloody amazing really
[15:22] <hamitron> "I took my sim out of my phone, popped it into this, and after I loaded up hyperterm it said "RING RING RING" and I missed a call from my girlfriend :( This thing is pretty cool though." hehe
[15:23] <hamitron> I reckon I may not transfer my number thinking about it
[15:23] <hamitron> ideal for just playing with
[15:27] <Myrtti> that does look good, I wonder if it would be a better deal than the 3 prepaid that I occasionally use in UK
[15:28] <popey> gord: not allowed
[15:29] <popey> gord: explicitly not allowed to use it in a pc / dongle or for tethering
[15:30] <gord> i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be able to tell the difference ;) hell my netbook runs android! but i don't want to be an arse about it, i'm sure they have realistic (too much data usage) reasons for it
[15:31] <hamitron> what about using this? http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9342
[15:31] <hamitron> technically attached to a pc, but I wouldn't be using it for data
[15:42]  * bigcalm takes a break from the addition
[15:42] <bigcalm> addiction
[15:55] <eax> Hi there - How can I change the login-screen of Ubuntu 10.10? There is no way to change it through the Login-screen from System->Administration->Login Screen
[15:57] <Azelphur> eax: it uses a gnome theme and a wallpaper
[15:57] <Azelphur> fail
[15:57] <Azelphur> eax: it uses a gnome theme and a wallpaper
[15:57] <eax> Okay, so how can I change it?
[15:58] <Azelphur> some funky command, I'll try and ifnd it
[15:58] <Azelphur> eax: gksu -u gdm dbus-launch gnome-appearance-properties
[15:59] <eax> Okay thanks :)
[15:59] <eax> Hmm, nothing happens when I run it :S
[16:00] <eax> It askses for a password and then immediatly shuts down
[16:01] <Azelphur> :S
[16:01] <eax> Yeah :/
[16:01]  * Azelphur looks some more
[16:02] <andylockran> argh, this is fun
[16:02] <eax> Thanks :)
[16:03] <andylockran> writing an asterisk function that upon receipt of an email calls all the people required for the conference.
[16:04] <ali1234> how are you going to prevent it from getting massively spammed?
[16:05] <Azelphur> eax: http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9748001&postcount=2
[16:05] <andylockran> ali1234: the email must contain a secret :p
[16:05] <eax> Thanks!
[16:08] <seeker> Like "andylockran wears womens underwear"
[16:18] <andylockran> brilliant.. now my conference calls are going off left, right and centre
[16:19] <andylockran> shorten 'to take advantage of' to one word.. exploit
[16:26] <Azelphur> giffgaff activated :D
[16:28] <hamitron> I shall take my time to do that, just like I do with everything else ;)
[16:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:29] <hamitron> annoyingly, I am 1 sata cable short :/
[16:29] <Azelphur> speedtest.net results are good :D
[16:29] <Azelphur> 4.3mbps down, 1.6mbps up
[16:30] <hamitron> 3G?
[16:30] <Azelphur> hsdpa
[16:30] <hamitron> what speed is 2G?
[16:30] <hamitron> ;/
[16:30] <diplo> heh better than my internet connection here at work
[16:30] <diplo> :D
[16:30] <Azelphur> not sure
[16:30] <hamitron> just wondered a typical speed
[16:31] <hamitron> my phone only has 3.6Mb memory... but still good to know
[16:31] <hamitron> ;)
[16:33] <Azelphur> hamitron: 16GB Class 6 MicroSD, 1.5GB Built in :P
[16:33] <hamitron> :)
[16:33] <hamitron> I maybe have 1Gb MMC somewhere...
[16:33] <hamitron> will look
[16:33] <hamitron> not now though
[16:36] <Azelphur> hamitron: owait, 512MB RAM, 1.5GB Storage, 16GB Class 6 MicroSD :P
[16:37] <hamitron> are you lacking something in your pants? bragging about a phone ffs ;)
[16:37] <Azelphur> :D
[16:37] <hamitron> but yeh, it is nice
[16:37] <hamitron> :/
[16:37] <Azelphur> I can play playstation games on it too
[16:38] <hamitron> that is nice
[16:39] <Azelphur> hamitron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_Nur_3JJw&feature=feedu
[16:39] <Azelphur> music on the video is aptly named, "Android Porn" :P
[16:42] <hamitron> Azelphur: I am not 128k internet atm ;/
[16:42] <hamitron> on*
[16:42] <hamitron> struggling to load pictures, nvm vids
[16:42] <Azelphur> :(
[16:43] <Azelphur> ah, not having VOIP blocked on my phone is awesome
[16:43] <hamitron> it isn't on giffgaff?
[16:45] <Azelphur> indeed
[16:45] <hamitron> nice
[16:45] <hamitron> I am tempted with this kit: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/479
[16:46] <hamitron> then maybe an arduino
[16:47] <hamitron> starting to cost as much as a phone though
[16:47] <seeker> Can Azelphur run an arduino without blowing it up yet?
[16:47] <hamitron> haha
[16:47] <Azelphur> nope
[16:47] <Azelphur> :(
[16:47] <hamitron> oh yeh, I better not encourage him
[16:47] <hamitron> ;)
[16:47] <seeker> Fail :P
[16:48] <hamitron> tbh, I never used one ;/
[16:48] <hamitron> I've used some PIC devices
[16:49] <hamitron> but nothing with a USB interface
[16:49] <hamitron> so i may do the same :))
[16:52] <HazRPG> question, can you get pidgin 2.7.9 for ubuntu 9.10 at all?
[16:53] <HazRPG> cos someone can't physically update to 10.10 or 10.04 due to driver support for his video card being dropped
[16:55] <hamitron> if it isn't that newer version, have you looked on launchpad, or pidgin.im?
[16:56] <HazRPG> the newest on pidgin.im 2.7.9, but only works on 10.04/10
[16:56] <andylockran> anyone got tips on how to use wolframalpha?
[16:57] <X3N> andylockran: with low expectations?
[16:57] <HazRPG> as far as I can see 2.6.6 is the last version for 9.10
[16:58] <HazRPG> but I was just wondering if there was a way to get it to work on 9.10
[17:01] <HazRPG> think there's a way of getting a "matrox p750" graphics card to work on ubuntu 10.10
[17:06] <hamitron> HazRPG: 32 bit?
[17:09] <HazRPG> I think so yeah
[17:09] <hamitron> the advice I've been given is to buy another graphics card
[17:09] <hamitron> ;)
[17:10] <HazRPG> heh, yeah that's what I said ^^,
[17:10] <hamitron> shame on you
[17:10] <hamitron> I've never give out that advice
[17:10] <hamitron> ;/
[17:11] <hamitron> I'd*
[17:11] <hamitron> my English sucks today
[17:11] <HazRPG> considering that support has been quit for that card years ago...
[17:11] <hamitron> so?
[17:12] <hamitron> if linux left support in for older hardware, it would grab more users ;)
[17:12] <HazRPG> ah, see that's were the problem lies
[17:12] <HazRPG> the drivers for that card are binary drivers
[17:12] <HazRPG> and are proprietary
[17:13] <HazRPG> so unless someone codes for it, its not gonna exist any longer
[17:13] <hamitron> guess it depends why the drivers won't work then
[17:13] <hamitron> nvidia 71 drivers don't work with newer versions of X.org, because of changes to how things are done
[17:14] <HazRPG> support was taken out from the latest (10.04/10) xorg apparently
[17:14] <HazRPG> shocker ;p
[17:14] <hamitron> support for most of mine stopped in 8.04
[17:14] <hamitron> :/
[17:14] <hamitron> well, 8.10
[17:15] <hamitron> I can use 8.04
[17:15] <hamitron> :)
[17:15] <HazRPG> if you think about it, such hardware support has stopped for windows too though... so you can't really blame linux
[17:15] <HazRPG> or its coders
[17:15] <hamitron> I blame the throw away culture
[17:16] <HazRPG> if a company no longer want to make drivers for it - or doesn't want to update, then its not going to happen unless many people want it back
[17:16] <HazRPG> hamitron: agreed :/
[17:16] <hamitron> I don't hold anyone responsible
[17:16] <hamitron> :)
[17:17] <hamitron> although, nvidia could make life easier, by providing tech docs for they unsupported cards
[17:17] <HazRPG> agreed!
[17:17] <hamitron> to be fair to them, they still patch the old drivers to work with newer kernels
[17:17] <HazRPG> if all companies did that... we'd be laughing!
[17:18] <hamitron> but ofc, they can't re-write huge parts of an old driver, just because X.org changed how it does things
[17:18] <hamitron> well, they can, but can't be expected to :)
[17:25] <HazRPG> ofc
[17:33] <hamitron> !gcc
[17:33] <hamitron> !version
[17:35] <hamitron> HazRPG:
[17:35] <hamitron> if you could use an older kernel, it may work
[17:35] <hamitron> ftp://ftp.matrox.com/pub/mga/archive/linux/2009/1.4.7/readme.txt see section 2
[18:17]  * MartijnVdS needs to stop buying bad 80s records
[18:19]  * hamitron smacks MartijnVdS over the head with the Adam Ant record that was just delivered
[18:20] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: Agadoo?
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: Wham :(
[18:22] <mgdm> /o\
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: something to fill up the 1-for-€1-3-for-€2,50 set of 3
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> I saw 3 12" singles of "Never gonna give you up" as well
[18:23] <mgdm> :|
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> I'm considering buying one to troll people
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> they were near-mint
[18:24] <hamitron> bbl, grub time \o/
[18:26] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: You missed out on a treat you could rickroll people via jpeg
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I prefer the "birthday present" route
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: I got Joshua Tree to compensate
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> and Equinoxe
[18:27] <mgdm> I don't know Equinoxe
[18:27] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Yeah but then there is the opportunity to get rickrolled back by on your birthday
[18:27] <mgdm> Rickroll ping pong?
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: what if it's a guilty pleasure? :)
[18:29] <popey> MartijnVdS: JMJ?
[18:29] <daubers> Evening
[18:30] <popey> Equinoxe Pt 5
[18:30] <popey> love it
[18:30]  * popey adds it to spotify
[18:30] <X3N> have a good w/e all
[18:30] <popey> o/
[18:33] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: then you need to get a life for a start ;)  Nothing wrong with the ging of soul
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> popey: Jarre, yes :)
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: 8-)
[18:35] <davmor2> popey: you see the china tour iirc
[18:36] <popey> hmm?
[18:37] <popey> I saw JMJ at London Docklands - Revolution
[18:37] <popey> in ~1989 ish
[18:37] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_(Jean_Michel_Jarre_album)
[18:37] <popey> close
[18:37] <popey> 1988
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> cool
[18:42] <popey> more "wet" than "cool" :)
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> I love the art on Equinoxe and Oxygene
[18:43] <popey> yeah
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> still looking for Rendez-Vous.. that one wasn't released in the Netherlands it seems :/
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> discogs marketplace to the rescue ;)
[18:44] <popey> uhoh uh oh...
[18:44] <popey> you got me thinking of Zoolook
[18:44] <popey> which had music in an Amiga game...
[18:44] <popey> the name escapes me
[18:44] <popey> captain blood!
[18:44] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Blood_(video_game)
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: you were one of those people running around "I have an Amiga", not knowing what "Amiga" means in Spanish? :P
[18:46] <popey> I never had an Amiga
[18:46] <popey> we were too poor
[18:46]  * MartijnVdS was too young.. and my dad worked in IT, so we got a PC-XT-clone
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> in the mid-80s
[18:46] <popey> Infogrames were awesome
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> No sound for u!
[18:46] <popey> they made some real special games
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> I've played some Infogrames games.. they are/were a French company
[18:47] <popey> Sapiens was a bit special
[18:47] <popey> oh no that was Loriciels
[18:47] <popey> also french
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> the original Alone in the Dark series
[18:48] <popey> yeah!
[18:48] <popey> they were great
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> Loriciel had weird games
[18:48] <popey> i used to watch the titles over and over
[18:48] <popey> there was one with a particle acclerator accident or something?
[18:48] <popey> that transported him away to a pool on a remote planet
[18:48] <ali1234> another world
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> I never understood the story behind AitD.. just that it was HARD
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> one wrong move - dead
[18:49] <ali1234> another world is probably the hardest game ever
[18:49] <popey> thats it!
[18:49] <ali1234> flashback is a better game and slightly less punishing
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I prefer the Half Life series for my particle accelerator accidents :P
[18:50] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA2Gb3nnjYY
[18:50] <ali1234> even today i cannot get past the first 3 screen of another world, even with a walkthrough and videos showing exactly what to do
[18:50] <popey> heh
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> I played Little Big Planet (another French product :)) a lot
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> no wait
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Adventure :)
[18:51] <directhex> flashback is evil
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Planet is the PS3 game :)
[18:51] <directhex> MartijnVdS, my cousin made that
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Big_Adventure
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> directhex: all of it?
[18:51] <directhex> MartijnVdS, well, his company made it
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Adeline / Delphine
[18:52] <directhex> directhex, adeline
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> That logo.. in high-res 640x480x8bit
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> memories! :)
[18:52] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9rick_Raynal
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> so it runs in the family then? :)
[18:58] <directhex> well, family by marriage. but still!
[19:13] <andylockran> gah, I forget the words sometimes.
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: "expelliarmus"
[19:14] <Azelphur> popey: rofl
[19:14] <Azelphur> how much ram and what type did you order?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> "a lot" apparently
[19:19] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:19] <Azelphur> I see 8 packs of 2 chips
[19:19] <Azelphur> each pack is 2x2, so 32GB total
[19:19] <Azelphur> wonder what type
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> I guess he wnated 8x1
[19:20] <Azelphur> o.O
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> 8x1 chip instead of 8x2
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> easy mistake to make :)
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> I've ordered SO-DIMM instead of "regular" DIMM once :\
[19:22] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: not that useful when you're building a new PC :)
[19:24] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:24] <Azelphur> 229MB/sec average read on my SSD with disk utility :)
[19:24] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: there are RAM manufacturers which will tell you what you need to get based on the motherboard type.
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what kind of ssd?
[19:24] <Azelphur> corsair F40GB2
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I knew what kind I needed.. some sort of DDR3 of some speed
[19:25] <dwatkins> ah ok, MartijnVdS
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: but there's this price comparision site in .nl.. and you can select all kinds of details
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: but I overlooked the "dimm/so-dimm" toggle  :)
[19:25] <dwatkins> interesting, MartijnVdS - I'd like to know more
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: tweakers.net/pricewatch
[19:25] <dwatkins> thanks
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> Lots of online computer (parts) stores register their prices with that site
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> and there are store reviews, part reviews etc.
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> price history graphs
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> It's more specialized than the "ciao"s of this world :)
[19:29] <gord> fyi, i loved little big planet 2 as a kid too :)
[19:29] <gord> 34
[19:29] <gord> er
[19:29] <gord> adventure
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> gord: *adventure
[19:29] <gord> geeeeeez
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> gord: if you liked lbp2 as a kid, you'd still be a kid :P
[19:30] <gord> MartijnVdS, some might argue that is the case
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> oh and coolness:
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/3868787056/in/set-72157619633943669/
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> ^ she's releasing a new EP on Monday.. music downloadable here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jan/20/mummers-mink-hollow-road :)
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> I love it when artists I've photographed release new music :)
[19:42] <ali1234> i wish it wasn't so easy to accidentally forkbomb yourself on ubuntu
[19:42] <ali1234> it only seems to take about 500 forks to completely cripple this machine
[19:43] <Azelphur> lol
[19:44] <ali1234> is that american keyboard layout bug from the other day fixed yet?
[19:45] <ali1234> might as well install updates and reboot before i open all my windows again
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> I think the bug is still there-ish
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> I got asked a question about it twice today
[19:57] <MartijnVdS>  /q issyl0
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> doh
[20:06] <jonsaint> hi all
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:08] <andylockran> howdy all
[20:08] <andylockran> what a day
[20:08] <jonsaint> can someone help plz with regards to cd/dvd copying
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: what's the problem you're having?
[20:10] <jonsaint> i had ubuntu before but for the life of me i cant remember how to do this... what im trying to do is this: ive got a film off the net and i want to put it on to dvd but i cant remember what software i used to convert it and burn it.
[20:12] <jonsaint> anyone???
[20:14] <jonsaint> anyone help plz?
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: try the standard "CD/DVD burning" app from the Applications menu?
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: it has a DVD Video option
[20:15] <jonsaint> i dont think its that. i cant remember what i used, the actual name of te software i used to convert it and burn it lol
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> devede? dvdauthor?
[20:18] <DJones> jonsaint: gnomebaker/k3b?
[20:19] <jonsaint> no dont think its that
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> tovid?
[20:19] <jonsaint> k3b!!!! cheers djones! thats the one!
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> so.. two weeks until FOSDEM, who's going? :)
[20:49]  * MartijnVdS might go either Sat or Sun
[20:53] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:53]  * AlanBell is on a boat
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> hi alanbell
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU
[20:53] <AlanBell> internet@sea hotspot
[20:54] <AlanBell> youtube is blocked
[20:54] <AlanBell> bit laggy satellite connection
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_on_a_Boat
[20:54] <AlanBell> ah, the song
[20:54] <AlanBell> thought it might be
[20:54] <jonsaint> hi all (again) im trying to put a film onto dvd but if i remember correctly, i had to convert it forst then copy it to dvd but i dont know what software it was in the software centre i used! i remember something about k3b but i dont think it was just that to convert and burn. anyone got ideas??
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: doesn't k3b convert to mpeg2 by itself?
[20:55] <jonsaint> i dont know. its been a while since i used it. i dont even remember what folder the film goes into lol
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: you could try.. it should warn if you're doing something impossible (i.e. burning mpeg-4 to a DVD-Video)
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> I know that brasero converts automatically
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> (that's the default DVD/CD burning tool)
[20:56] <DJones> jonsaint: Was the converter called "devede" to convert a video file to an iso which you can burn to dvd with k3b?
[20:57] <jonsaint> thats the one! yet again djones you thought of the one i was after lol
[20:57]  * MartijnVdS gives up :P
[20:58] <jonsaint> i dunno what i would do without you folks here!
[20:58]  * DJones has hooks in jonsaint's brain feeding me information, although MartijnVdS did mention that 20 minutes ago
[20:58] <jonsaint> martijnvds i also want to thank you for looking also. :-)
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[21:00] <jonsaint> give me credit guys, i am new to ubuntu. ive come to the dark side because im really sick of all that microsoft bull **it all the time. at least ubuntu is more easier to use.......ITS FREE!!....and theres always good people in here willing to help. no one could ask for more than that!
[21:01] <AlanBell> wow, this is this ferry's first day of service
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: nice knowing you ;)
[21:02] <AlanBell> biggest and most powerfulferry in the channel apparently
[21:02] <jonsaint> hey alan, you on that new p&o cross channel ferry??
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> apparently 8-)
[21:02] <AlanBell> jonsaint: yes, the Spirit of Britain
[21:03] <jonsaint> whats she like?? from what i heard she can carry over 2,000 people
[21:03] <AlanBell> yeah, but not that many in cluc class :)
[21:03] <AlanBell> club
[21:03] <AlanBell> cluck class would be for the chickens
[21:03] <jonsaint> still, a very nice looking vessel.
[21:04] <AlanBell> very clean and shiny, smells of new carpets
[21:04] <jonsaint> give it 6 months and it will smell and run like the rest of the fleet lol
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> aka "of sea sick"
[21:05] <AlanBell> well I hope not to make a personal contribution to that
[21:06] <jonsaint> the sea should be fairly calm tonight
[21:07] <sprite> a belated xmas gift for the crew (nsfw) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6479260/PlayboyCal2011.pdf
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> !family
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> !ohmy
[21:08] <ali1234> looks like copyright infringement too, you got a twofer
[21:09] <jonsaint> im outta here folks. hope you all have a great evening......and alan, i hope the sailing goes well for you.
[21:09] <AlanBell> just leaving the dock now
[21:09] <sprite> not copyright. copyright only extends to 2010 ;P
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> copyrights tend to be valid for long times
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> like 70-90 years after the author dies or something
[21:16] <dogmatic69> anyone seen a red triangle with a ! in the top bar?
[21:17] <dogmatic69> hover says 'update info is old, bad connection blaa blaa
[21:27] <daubers> sigh, still some unresolved packages
[22:29]  * popey plays minecraft
[22:30]  * AlanBell arrives in the UK
[22:30] <popey> ola
[22:34] <directhex> looks like there are six of my own blu-ray discs that i can't rip to watch in linux, unless i buy commercial windows tools
[22:34] <Darael> directhex: Ow.
[22:39] <terran> directhex: what do you mean? Can't you just watch them? Why do you have to rip them?
[22:40] <directhex> terran, same difference, ultimately. ripping tools and the rather early-days libaacs rely on the same method
[22:41] <terran> So there's no blu-ray support in Ubuntu, even?
[22:55] <directhex> terran, technically there's as much support as for dvd, i.e. "it's fine if the disc is not copy-protected. good luck with that"
[22:56]  * czajkowski does the going to Canada dance
[22:56] <czajkowski> :D
[22:57] <terran> jeez
[22:57] <terran> is there anywhere you don't go
[22:59] <czajkowski> um....
[22:59] <czajkowski> places that are cold
[22:59] <czajkowski> :)
[23:00] <czajkowski> terran: 2 weeks to fosdem :D
[23:00] <terran> yup yup yup!
[23:00] <terran> gonna be fun
[23:00] <terran> this time I ain't a poor student living in my overdraft :D
[23:00] <jpds> czajkowski: Where in Canada?
[23:01] <czajkowski> jpds: Guelp heading over to meet 2 mates
[23:02] <jpds> Groovy.
[23:03] <czajkowski> yup
[23:03] <czajkowski> so much fun
[23:03] <czajkowski> went over there over a year ago for my 30th
[23:03] <czajkowski> 2 weeks of fun
[23:04] <directhex> train tix and accommodation for fosdem are booked on the company credit card ^_^
[23:04] <terran> old czajkowski is old :p
[23:04] <czajkowski> yup
[23:04] <czajkowski> :D
[23:04] <czajkowski> terran: sod off you little git I am not that old!
[23:05] <terran> I know babe I know
[23:25]  * hamitron sighs
[23:45] <directhex> er... the largest blu-ray in my collection afaik, at 40GB of data, is a movie from 1978 with mono sound...
[23:48] <popey> Rollercoaster?
[23:48] <Azelphur> what's the deal with oovoo?
[23:49] <Azelphur> I hear it uses XMPP and some form of openness for the protocol level
[23:49] <Azelphur> but is the client open?
[23:49] <popey> http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/current.png :)
[23:50] <Azelphur> :D
[23:50] <dwatkins> Have you been playing minecraft, popey? ;)
[23:50] <Azelphur> popey: btw did you get 500 points on giffgaff
[23:50] <Azelphur> I signed up so you should get some stuff
[23:50] <czajkowski> popey: http://twitpic.com/3s3ww5 :D
[23:50] <popey> dunno
[23:51] <popey> haha
[23:51] <popey> breakfast?
[23:51] <Azelphur> popey: also what memory is it you have in surplas? :P
[23:51] <czajkowski> popey: oh it will be tomorrow :D
[23:51] <popey> one mo, I will get the link
[23:51] <czajkowski> cannot wait
[23:52] <popey> Azelphur: i have 4 off packs of 2x2GB, so in total 16GB
[23:53] <Azelphur> speed/type?
[23:53] <dwatkins> popey: I'm curious, what was the landscape picture from?
[23:53] <popey> DDR3 1333MHz
[23:53] <popey> dwatkins: minecraft
[23:53] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:53] <dwatkins> oh right, I didn't know it did that, popey :)
[23:53] <Azelphur> little too slow for me, I'm on 1600
[23:53] <popey> its for a server
[23:53] <popey> which doesnt need to be fast
[23:53] <Azelphur> :)
[23:54] <popey> dwatkins: its a program called mcmap which generates those maps based on the game world
[23:54] <ali1234> Azelphur: you have a fast graphics card right?
[23:54] <dwatkins> neat, popey - I'm almost tempted to give it a try ... not sure I can spare my weekend, though
[23:55] <Azelphur> ali1234: gtx 570
[23:55] <popey> dwatkins: http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/ I have it run every 10 mins to take a snapshot
[23:55] <ali1234> is that fast?
[23:55] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'd say so, I believe it's the second fastest graphics card you can get
[23:55] <ali1234> can you try running something and tell me how long it takes?
[23:56] <czajkowski> http://www.odfplugfest.co.uk/  <---- one of the projects I'm organisng at  shall mail Ubuntu uk about it
[23:56] <ali1234> you will need to install pyopencl
[23:56] <popey> Azelphur: today
[23:56] <Azelphur> ali1234: sure
[23:56] <Azelphur> popey: huh?
[23:56] <popey> 23:55:37 < Azelphur> ali1234: I'd say so, I believe it's the second fastest graphics card you can get
[23:56] <Azelphur> oh yea, today
[23:56] <Azelphur> :)
[23:57] <ali1234> on my computer it takes about 1 minute and is not much faster than the CPU
[23:57] <Azelphur> I know I'll be violated by it later.
[23:57] <ali1234> i'm just wondering if it's bad coding or just cos my card sucks
[23:57] <ali1234> anyway here it is: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/cltest.tar
[23:58] <ali1234> wait
[23:58] <ali1234> that's wrong one :(
[23:59] <ali1234> fixed
[23:59] <Azelphur> :P


[13:39] <smoser> this is pretty awesome.
[13:39] <smoser> import base64
[13:39] <smoser> base64.encodestring("FOO")
[13:39] <smoser> TypeError: expected bytes-like object, not str
[13:40] <smoser> so... encodestring takes bytes and not a string. that makes sense.
[14:23] <rharper> smoser: I guess why I thought the timestamp in the log file was a syslog issue , is on xenial and yakkety, even the entries in syslog itself are missing resolution (journctrl --unit cloud-config)   but maybe that's how we configure the logger ?
[14:25] <rharper> it appears that when we don't use syslog, we include a timestamp field in the log format;
[14:25] <smoser> rharper, so... recap
[14:26] <rharper> that implies to me that cloud-init using log_syslog relies on syslog to insert a timestamp (it does)
[14:26] <smoser> when cloud-init "comes up", it sets up python logging per 05_logging.cfg
[14:26] <rharper> but the resolution doesn't have subsecond in xenial and newer
[14:26] <smoser> i suspect that in xenial+ we're always going through rsyslog
[14:26] <rharper> I agree
[14:26] <smoser> and yes, when you log to syslog, its kind of pointless to add a timestamp
[14:26] <rharper> which is why I think rsyslog must have changed how it records timestamps
[14:26] <smoser> it would just be duplicate
[14:26] <rharper> right
[14:27] <smoser> (outside of the time delta between posting the message and rsyslog getting it)
[14:27] <rharper> right
[14:27] <rharper> but the resolution isn't sub-second; that seems wrong (sub optimal)
[14:27] <smoser> so it is possible that the default rsyslog configuration changed in xenial
[14:27] <smoser> and no longer logs subsecond when it used to
[14:27] <rharper> I can change rsyslog conf (there's a comment for high res )
[14:27] <rharper> in /etc/rsyslog.conf
[14:27] <rharper> right, I'm hunting for that sort of change
[14:28] <rharper> I've not found it yet
[14:28] <smoser> can you verify that it was set the other way in previous releases ?
[14:28] <rharper> but I think I understand why we see the change, as you say, in trusty, rsyslog wasn't up yet and cloud-init uses the "Write to file" formatter with the timestamp
[14:28] <rharper> there's no "setting"
[14:28] <rharper> it's just the default
[14:29] <rharper> the rsyslog.conf is not different from trusty, xenial or yakkety (just versions of rsyslog)
[14:29] <smoser> but in trusty we almost certainly should have used syslog for later messages
[14:29] <smoser> (only cloud-init init should have gone "direct")
[14:29] <rharper> lemme look
[14:29] <rharper> yeah
[14:29] <rharper> I see it
[14:29] <rharper> it transistions to syslog
[14:29] <rharper> and drops the subsecond output =(
[14:30] <rharper> 2016-09-12 14:08:38,438 - util.py[DEBUG]: cloud-init mode 'init' took 0.209 seconds (0.00)
[14:30] <rharper> Sep 12 14:08:38 t1 [CLOUDINIT] util.py[DEBUG]: Cloud-init v. 0.7.5 running 'modules:config' at Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:08:38 +0000. Up 3.0 seconds.
[14:31] <smoser> so...
[14:31] <smoser> i'm really leaning towards harlow's suggestion
[14:31] <smoser> of dropping rsyslog unless configured.
[14:32] <rharper> "unless configured" meaning cloud-config specifically enabling it ?
[14:32] <rharper> our images clearly have a syslog configured
[20:59] <rharper> smoser: nice!
[21:00] <rharper> now you need new $topic
[21:03] <jgrimm> \o/
[21:38] <roaksoax> jgrimm: re: EA, would cloud-init w/ ntp support work on CentOS 6 (python2?)
[21:42] <jgrimm> roaksoax, not tested for sure, but as far as python version i think should be ok (or fixable).  rharper would talk more definitively to impl or other challenges ^^
[21:43] <rharper> we need 2.7+
[21:43] <rharper> this was capture in the NRE doc
[21:43] <rharper> w.r.t cloud-init requirements
[21:43] <rharper> centos has 2.6
[21:43] <rharper> 2.6 *barely* works IIUC
[21:43] <jgrimm> rharper, +1
[21:44] <jgrimm> that's a statement about general, not the ntp specifically i'm assuming
[21:44] <rharper> oh
[21:44] <rharper> sorry
[21:45] <rharper> right;  there's not much to the ntp config module
[21:45] <rharper> I'd like smoser to speak up; but I really want to avoid having to support 2.6 in centos
[21:45] <jgrimm> yep, though your answer may be ultimately the right answer to the question. :)
[21:46] <rharper> yeah


[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <MooDoo> morning
[08:10]  * dholbach relocates to the office, bbiab
[08:34] <popey> morning
[08:55] <popey> dholbach: shall you and I do the Q&A today?
[09:03] <czajkowski> how is everyone ?
[09:07] <popey> great, but cold
[09:15] <dholbach> hey popey - sure why not?
[09:16] <popey> I can think of no good reason!
[09:23] <dholbach> :)
[09:31] <popey> dholbach: okay, created the event and updated the site
[09:31] <dholbach> <3
[09:31] <popey> we're mega-early prepared for once  😃
[09:52] <popey> \o/ RPI2 just arrived for snappy playing
[10:20] <_Sponge> It may be a good idea to tweet earlier about the ~hangout, just saying.
[10:22] <popey> eh?
[10:22] <popey> oh, yeah, we will
[10:22] <popey> people have short memories though :)
[10:47] <_Sponge> For I see you are winning :-)
[14:19] <mhall119> popey: dholbach: I'm past due for being on the hangout, I'd be happy to swap with one of you if you'd like
[14:20] <dholbach> sure, that wfm too
[15:03] <dpm> mhall119, balloons, team call?
[15:07] <_Sponge> 50 minutes to-go :)
[15:45] <popey> mhall119: dholbach I'll start the hangout, just moving to my desk
[15:45] <mhall119> dholbach: popey: is there a guest lined up for today?
[15:45] <dholbach> I'm taking a quick break, see you in a bit
[15:45] <dholbach> mhall119, the 3 of us - that's unusual enough :-P
[15:46] <balloons> ping jose
[16:36] <jose> balloons: pong
[17:22] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow :-)
[17:45] <pleia2> jcastro: re: discourse, so as far as I can tell, you have a couple options for "notifications"
[17:45] <pleia2> jcastro: first is you can "subscribe" in the web UI, so when you go to a category, you will see a visual indication that there are new threads (not useful for me, I don't use the web UI)
[17:46] <pleia2> jcastro: or you can go into your global preferences and "Send me an email for every new post (unless I mute the topic or category)" which sends you EVERYTHING, subscribed or not, unless, as it says, you specifically mute the topic
[17:46] <knome> unless the ubuntu wiki gets any faster, i will tell all teams to move away from it :|
[17:46] <knome> sigh
[17:47] <pleia2> if there's a way to just subscribe to a single category by email, it makes discourse a bit meh for me
[17:47] <wxl> i have yet to hear anyone say they love our wiki
[17:47] <knome> well i love our wiki
[17:47] <knome> that is, the xubuntu wiki...
[17:47] <popey> dpm: maybe a GSoC project to move our wiki to something better? :)
[17:47] <popey> ^
[17:47] <wxl> YES popey dpm PLEASE
[17:47] <pleia2> knome: we could float the idea of a migration to mediawiki again, the migration wouldn't be pretty, but it scales better
[17:48] <pleia2> might help all the brains
[17:48] <popey> would love that
[17:48]  * dpm hears popey and wxl volunteering....
[17:48] <popey> Sure.
[17:48] <wxl> absolutely!
[17:48] <knome> i'm afraid of the level of cooperation the IS is giving
[17:48] <pleia2> knome: canonical folks can escalate internally ;)
[17:48] <wxl> i bet we could easily get a TEAM of people to handle that GSoC idea
[17:48] <popey> yeah, totally
[17:48] <popey> I know jcastro would be up for that
[17:48] <popey> I recon we could get a crack team on it
[17:48] <pleia2> it's currently a nightmare for community, and help.ubuntu.com/community is STILL locked down, going on 2 months now
[17:48] <popey> GSoC or not
[17:49] <knome> pleia2, i have heard that before, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :)
[17:49] <wxl> indeed
[17:49] <pleia2> so both wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community would likely want this treatment
[17:49] <popey> +1
[17:49] <jcastro> I don't have time to fix the wiki
[17:49] <jcastro> I just don't use it
[17:49] <knome> pleia2, except that several people in the docs team think that the community wiki would just die
[17:50] <knome> jcastro, neither do many people in the community - because it's so slow
[17:50] <pleia2> knome: the docs people who hang around IRC, not the ones who are active contributors for it
[17:50] <knome> pleia2, yeah, true
[17:50] <jcastro> knome: I agree
[17:50] <pleia2> knome: they are very distinct groups, and we're not serving the editors right now
[17:50] <knome> totally
[17:50] <wxl> besides, that's just speculation
[17:50] <knome> i don't think the community wiki should die, but it should definitely get some love
[17:51] <pleia2> anyway, if we propose it as a GSoC project, we would have to confirm buy-in from Canonical IS first
[17:51] <pleia2> I think we all know how frustrating it is to write a change and see it sit for 2 years
[17:51] <wxl> that's true
[17:51] <wxl> i think we're more likely to get it done with GSoC tho
[17:51] <knome> it would probably need an ack from the design team too, because i'd imagine they would want it to have some kind of official looks for it
[17:52] <pleia2> knome: yeah, good point
[17:52] <wxl> popey: as a member of the team behind our google thingys, could you check with canonical on the feasibility of implementing such a project?
[17:52] <knome> unless they are willing to let the GSoC students handle the visual side too
[17:53] <popey> wxl: i can certainly ask the right people
[17:53] <popey> can't guarantee the answers we'll get
[17:54] <popey> knome: i think the design should just follow our existing sites for consistency
[17:54] <popey> <- not a designer
[17:55] <popey> it's not like design have been knocking down our doors to redesign wiki.ubuntu.com for the last 5 years
[17:56] <knome> popey, the thing is, a mediawiki theme is something completely different than a moinmoin theme, or any of the other themes
[17:56] <popey> sure.
[17:56] <popey> It's basically $work that someone needs to do
[17:56] <knome> popey, sure, many people can imitate the looks, but i'm pretty sure the design team has some say to this
[17:56] <popey> someone versed in theming mediawiki sites
[17:56] <knome> of course
[17:57] <popey> yeah, it's one of the many things to consider on a project this size ㋛
[17:57] <knome> well, not necessarily, but if the design team wants their framework to be used, the one that implements the mediawiki theme has to be able to work with that
[17:57] <knome> i'm saying all this because i know it's not a small task.
[17:58] <popey> sure.
[18:04] <popey> While we're on the subject of shutting things down.
[18:04] <popey> Any objection to mothballing the ubuntu-classroom lists?
[18:05] <popey> they haven't had any traffic for ages.
[18:05] <pleia2> I think ubuntu-classroom is done
[18:07] <pleia2> if we could keep archives, that would be great
[18:08] <popey> "done" as in already shutdown?
[18:09] <popey> or "done" as in "not needed / expired"?
[18:10] <pleia2> not needed anymore
[18:11] <popey> ok
[18:11] <popey> had to remove 150 odd spam mails from it this week
[18:11] <pleia2> and that was less than a month's worth of spam, I last cleared it out around the end of january
[18:12] <pleia2> anyway, I just went ahead and added a banner to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom menu saying the project is retired
[18:12] <pleia2> sad day
[18:12] <jose> :(
[18:13] <jose> I'm happy it did serve its purpose during a good while, though.
[18:13]  * pleia2 nods
[18:13] <pleia2> it had a good run :)
[18:13] <jose> hehe, I remember running to a starbucks to give a session because my home internet was down :D
[18:16] <popey> :)
[18:16] <popey> I remember staring at the screen as I pasted line after line thinking "too quick?" "too slow? "Do you think they can read this?"
[18:16] <popey> being really very deliberate about what I copy/paste
[18:19] <jose> hehehe
[18:19] <jose> it was my second project ever in the community, after launchpad answers
[18:38] <jcastro> pleia2: popey: do we know if importing from moin to mediawiki requires access to the moin server?
[18:39] <jcastro> or is it like "point to these two urls, slurp from one, push to the other."
[18:40] <pleia2> it probably requires a dump of the back end content, which I imagine is stored in a database or series of files or something
[18:40] <jcastro> it's not
[18:40] <jcastro> moin is all files
[18:40] <pleia2> nice
[18:40] <jcastro> no database
[18:40] <jcastro> that's why it's so slow
[18:41] <pleia2> so access to those files then
[18:41] <jcastro> we could
[18:41] <pleia2> there's no way slurping would work
[18:41] <jcastro> I was thinking from an ease-of-process perspective
[18:41] <pleia2> we can barely load one page these days ;)
[18:41] <jcastro> basically, if you don't need IS to get you access to gigs of files and do an import it could save a ton of time
[18:42] <pleia2> there's no other way to have access to all the files, their caching protections prevent bots, and I fear we'd simply lose too much
[18:42] <pleia2> lots of timeouts, etc
[18:42] <jcastro> ah, right
[18:42] <jcastro> well, I have a call with elmo next thursday, if there's an RT I can bring it up
[18:42] <jcastro> iirc last time it was just a matter of resourcing
[18:43] <jcastro> it's not like anyone love the current wiki and wants to keep it around
[18:44] <pleia2> it still has lots of great content and people *want* to use it, but the slowness, timeouts and other issues make that difficult
[18:44] <pleia2> the xubuntu team just stood up its own wiki
[18:44] <jcastro> right, I don't think anyone is complaining about the content itself
[18:44] <pleia2> I don't think there's an existing RT ticket saying "migrate to something else"
[18:45] <jcastro> popey and I have talked about just getting into trouble and firing up an unofficial one and then seeing what happens
[18:45] <jose> if there's general approval, I'd be happy to open a ticket to move it to mediawiki
[18:45] <jose> even better, mediawiki is already charmed, which makes it easier to get it deployed on is servers
[18:45] <pleia2> but yeah, definitely a resources things, but my hope is that after this switch much of the pain is reduced in maintenance, plus the community is happy \o/
[18:46] <jcastro> it would literally take us like 10 minutes to fire one up on a public cloud
[18:46] <jose> should I send an email to ubuntu-community-team?
[18:46] <jose> yep, yep
[18:46] <jcastro> I'd just file the RT
[18:46] <jose> well, I'd like to hear what others say, though I expect a lot of 'yes please'
[18:46] <jcastro> "all in favor of keeping shitty software that makes people quit the project, say aye!"
[18:47] <jose> I'll send an email and open an RT later
[18:47] <jose> jcastro, mind if I send you the RT# later?
[18:47] <jcastro> actually, the hard part would be SSO and stuff
[18:47] <jose> right
[18:47] <jcastro> I don't care when you file it, I've waited like 12 years, what's a few more hours ...
[18:47] <jose> lol
[18:49] <pleia2> jose: we'll need to tell the ubuntu-doc team too
[18:50] <jose> pleia2<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:50] <jose> ?
[18:50] <popey> I know when I spoke to dpm at SCaLE about this he was keen not to just jump to MediaWiki, but to evaluate the options
[18:50] <popey> Just saying that before someone does stuff and he gets cross
[18:50] <pleia2> jose: yeah, just make sure you're subscribed so it doesn't get stuck in the queue
[18:50] <popey> Not that i've ever seen dpm cross :)
[18:50] <jose> pleia2: yup yup
[18:50] <jose> popey: I'm writing an email to ask first :)
[18:50] <popey> wise  😃
[18:50] <jcastro> all I want to do is watch the rm -fR
[18:50] <jose> lol
[18:51]  * popey wonders if this would be "solved" by "just" keeping all of the wiki (attachments aside) in RAM :)
[18:51] <popey> as it's all "just" files
[18:52] <popey> I mean, surely nobody has actually just looked at what the performance bottleneck is?
[18:52] <pleia2> and timing won't be a surprise, I just sent this email yesterday ;) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2016-February/019713.html
[18:52] <jcastro> it's the filesystem
[18:52] <jcastro> I remember when this happened
[18:52] <jcastro> we hit an ext4 limit
[18:52] <popey> I imagine the wiki is basically these guys http://i.imgur.com/UG8wcJo.gifv
[18:52] <jcastro> it's one text file per page
[18:53] <jcastro> or sorry it was ext2 at the time:
[18:53] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moin/+bug/217191
[18:54] <popey> hehe, i remember that, that was fun
[18:54] <pleia2> jcastro: btw, SSO shouldn't be a problem, the openstack wiki already uses mediawiki+launchpad/ubuntu SSO
[18:55] <jcastro> oh rock and roll, that's awesome
[18:57] <jose> ok, email sent
[18:58] <jcastro> I wish mediawiki did native markdown
[18:58] <jcastro> that would be so epic
[18:59] <wxl> jcastro: i haven't touched it yet but it seems like the plugins i've seen for markdown look like they'd work pretty well
[19:03] <jcastro> pleia2: it's my understanding you can subscribe to a label and just get emails for that label
[19:05] <pleia2> jcastro: is a label different than a category? x_x
[19:06] <jcastro> sorry, I meant category
[19:07] <pleia2> so I'm subscribed to "Cloud and Server" as "Watching" but it doesn't send me emails
[19:07] <jcastro> I am not sure if we're set up for mails
[19:07] <pleia2> it just gives me a visual indicator in the interface when I go to that category
[19:07] <jcastro> I don't get any mails from the ubuntu one, I do get them from other discourse instances
[19:07] <pleia2> the global setting for "Send me an email for every new post (unless I mute the topic or category)" works, but that's too many emails
[19:07] <jcastro> apparently the mozillians have it set up so a user can do mail only if they want
[19:08] <pleia2> well, today it's not too many emails, since the site isn't active, but I don't want to have to manually unsubscribe from categories
[19:08] <pleia2> I've gotten 3 notifications in a couple days with that setting on
[19:08] <jcastro> that's not how it works
[19:08] <jcastro> I think you sub to each category like you would sign up for a mailing list.
[19:09] <pleia2> is our site kept updated? I can't figure out how to do that
[19:11] <jcastro> "Tracking" is what I use
[19:11] <jcastro> that's like, topic mails instead of every single mail
[19:11] <pleia2> ok, I'll try that
[19:11] <jcastro> so click on a category
[19:12] <jcastro> then it's the orange dropdown on the right, top of the page but not the header
[19:12] <pleia2> yeah, that's where I set "Watching" before
[19:12] <pleia2> so to get emails, it's "Tracking"?
[19:12] <knome> jcastro, sounds easy...
[19:13] <jcastro> pleia2: there's also mail settings on your settings page
[19:13] <pleia2> ok, I turned off my global "get all the alerts" setting, we'll see if this works
[19:13] <jcastro> knome: it's still much easier than say ... mailman
[19:14] <pleia2> jcastro: yep, that's where the "Send me an email for every new post (unless I mute the topic or category)" setting lives
[19:15] <knome> jcastro, i disagree; once you have registered, you will have mails for that list, period :)
[19:17] <jcastro> well, you guys are the ones using emails
[19:17] <jcastro> of course the experience is going to suck. :)
[19:17]  * popey covers mailman's ears so it doesn't hear the words from the bad man!
[19:18] <knome> and just to show something, it's possible to make the mailman front page look easier to comprehend, a la https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
[19:21] <jcastro> jose: lol +2 already to keep moinmoin
[19:31] <svij> every time I touch wiki.ubuntu.com, I'm all like: https://i.imgflip.com/zb213.jpg
[19:32] <popey> :)
[19:34] <svij> stupic IRC, can't even embed memes!
[19:34]  * svij goes over to mattermost/slack/… ;)
[19:37] <pleia2> IRC saves us from the memes once again <3
[19:37] <svij> hehe
[19:37] <knome> hooray for no-nonsense!
[19:38] <svij> pleia2: btw, do you edit the UWN completely in the wiki?
[19:40] <svij> I'm one of the "lucky" guys who do the german version of the UWN and we use etherpad mostly, so more people can contribute (and chat) on the same time.
[19:40] <pleia2> svij: no, we start out in a google doc for most of the week, final copy sunday night and any small additional edits are done in the wiki
[19:40] <svij> ah okay
[19:40] <pleia2> we couldn't find an etherpad that was reliable enough for international collaboration
[19:41] <pleia2> google docs, sadly, just works better for us
[19:41] <svij> we use http://publishwith.me/ that seems to work on mondays.
[19:41] <svij> but yes, we didn't have luck with other etherpad hostings
[19:43] <svij> but we have one thing in common (sadly): not that many people contribute … (2 or 3 mostly)
[19:44] <popey> We (podcast) have recently switched back to... (shock) Gobby!
[19:44] <popey> It's much better than it was previously.
[19:45] <svij> oh gobby
[19:45] <popey> We even have it setup to export out all the gobby docs every 90s to a webserver, with some styling. Works a treat.
[19:45] <svij> the good old days with gobby… :D
[19:46] <pleia2> for UWN we needed a non-client solution, need to make it as easy as possible for people to write summaries (even then, it's a struggle)
[19:46] <pleia2> "point web browser here, write, thx"
[19:46] <svij> that's why we moved away from gobby
[19:46] <knome> pleia2, you should write an irc bot that accepts submissions
[19:46]  * knome hides
[19:47] <pleia2> knome: just what we need, yet another submission tool that no one uses
[19:47] <knome> pleia2, nooo, everybody would use it [:
[19:47] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/ddWU6 check that out!
[19:47] <popey> It's like a wiki!
[19:47] <svij> gobby is a web-thing now?
[19:47] <popey> edit in gobby, nice and fast, get web pages out automagically, markdown -> html
[19:47] <popey> no
[19:47] <svij> ah
[19:48] <pleia2> it needs to be real time
[19:48] <popey> true, we have it spit out 90s, but it can be faster :)
[19:48] <pleia2> anyway, google docs works fine for us, nothing to solve here
[19:48] <popey> sure :)
[19:48] <pleia2> the pain just comes when I have to copy things over to the wiki at the end of our cycle
[19:48] <svij> the only bad thing about etherpad is, that it doesn't have any code-syntax-highlighting (+ it's our own special syntax)
[19:49] <pleia2> sunday night, aaaarrggh
[19:49] <knome> wut?
[19:50] <knome> (btw, HOORAY TEAM REPORTS!)
[19:50] <knome> (since we are making everybody feel sad already..)
[19:51] <popey> haha
[19:51] <svij> team reports? Did I miss something here?
[19:52] <knome> the xubuntu team did those conscientiosly for a long time (thanks pleia2!) but because nobody else did them....
[19:52] <knome> besides, we have our own work item tracker now which creates a timeline of completed work items automatically