 ovenwerks yes to database
 no the buttons... while generally going up to down are not the same. some tablets have buttons for the ring keys it has in middle some new tablets doesn't come with buttons at all. with xwacom I had a script that threw out the alphabet in order for each button and I pressed each button once to figure out what was went where. there might
[00:28] <studiobot>  bw a database of this somewhere but I don't know. :(((
 and no probably for this reason button layouts should be tablet specific
[00:29] <OvenWerks> yummy :P
 so a series of layouts for each tablet yeah I know
 there is a reason why my attempts at this never went beyond that wiki document
[00:31] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: I think I will start with the assumption that the user has one tablet. That will cover a lot of people.
 but hey at least you can assume people have 1 wacom tablet plugged in at one time
 sorry to be the bearer of bad news
 errr
 the thing is the hard part isn't having multiple tablets
[00:33] <OvenWerks> Peop;e will need to have each tablet plugged in so they can set up that tablet anyway. then we will save that with the device id.
[00:33] <OvenWerks>  But I have to start somewhere
 oh I see
 well as long as it won't make it harder to add it later
 a lot of people might have 1 default layout
 then a couple of layouts for apps they use a lot
[00:35] <OvenWerks> Basically I will need to keep track of any tablet that has ever been attached. Then use that list for set up
[00:36] <OvenWerks> From what I can see of xsetwacom's output, there are only so many things one can do.
[00:36] <OvenWerks> There are up to 12 buttons
 you set them as they are plugged in I think
[00:36] <OvenWerks> there is a possition
[00:36] <OvenWerks> there is a pressure curve
 you cannot even use xsetwacom if yiur tablet is not plugged ib
 in
 sorry I am typing on phone this is not really helping at all
[00:37] <OvenWerks> that is true, but if I have a data base of devices I can save values to a config file of those.
 so when someone plugs in a wacom that's when you want to bring the default setup and possible overrides per application for that tablet
[00:38] <OvenWerks> The first thing I will put in I think, is size position
 size position?
[00:39] <OvenWerks> yeah, the position the tablet maps to on the screen
[00:39] <OvenWerks> This will default to monitor size
 oh yeah that's another fun thing
[00:39] <OvenWerks> (most of the time it does already so far as I can see)
[00:40] <OvenWerks> I have had people who have not had that happen.
 not always but at first phase you need only a few tjings
 things
 stretch to one screen
 stretch to a secondary screen
 stretch to all screens
[00:41] <OvenWerks> I will start with 4 numbers :)
 one option at least to either stretch to a  subsection of the screen that is proportional to the tablet size or use the a subsection of the tablet that is proprtionak to the screen
[00:42] <OvenWerks> Then I will add the 12 buttons, 1 to 3 and 8 to 16
 ok?
[00:43] <OvenWerks> These are what I have on the GUI so far
 honestly I think that is a good start
[00:43] <OvenWerks> Then I will add pressure and pressure curve
[00:44] <OvenWerks> There is one tab for the pad (include buttons) and one for the pen/sylus
[00:44] <OvenWerks> But it seems it may be easier to just use one screen.
[00:44] <OvenWerks> It was just that they show as two devices.
 Id start with 1 screen
 then split it off
 I want to say pen button shortcuts (including the single click double click and eraser click) should be with buttons
[00:46] <OvenWerks> what I would like to do is have a tablet tab that has device sub-tabs
 not on pen tab because these settings will vary based on application
[00:47] <OvenWerks> HID 256c:006e Pen stylus        	id: 11	type: STYLUS
[00:47] <OvenWerks> HID 256c:006e Pad pad           	id: 12	type: PAD
 pen pressure and tablet size proportion will probably be separate settings (especially since many drawing apps etc handle their own pressure sensitivity and even have a secondary layer of complexity of brush specific pressure maps)
[00:47] <OvenWerks> That is the device list for one tablet
 yeah pen and pad
[00:48] <OvenWerks> So I can use the bit in the middle as a common device decriptor
[00:49] <OvenWerks>  and assume pen and pad from that. The only time I need those to be in full form is when they actually get set
 the first part yed but why do you need to list the devices?
 oh.. to save settings yeah
[00:52] <OvenWerks> If I am going to have different settings for each device I need some key to refer to them all
 yep no that is good
 I cannot remember if that indicator is model or model plus device ID
 its 4am here and I need to be up in like 5 hours so I will be off to sleep now.
[00:54] <OvenWerks> So a default for all devices that would fill the values for new devices.
[00:54] <OvenWerks> g'nite
 I'll try to lookup matrix transformations this weekend for the screen resize (they are not needed for swapping between screens but it will be needed for anything else - which actually skip stretching between 2 screens for now because I just realized that is quite complicated. my script assumed both screens had the same size which rarely
[00:57] <studiobot>  happens)
 well not rarely but far from guaranteed
[00:57] <OvenWerks> xrabder give lots of info though
[00:58] <OvenWerks> *xrander
 its more that intelligently mapping to 2 screens... depends on screens positions and their relative proportions
 ok I am not talking about this anymore not until I have a chance to double check my old intuos script. and gnight. and I am still very excited you are doing this btw :))


[07:12] <pitti> hello all
[07:12] <pitti> any idea why systemd is blocked for promotion? I closed the block-proposed bug yesterday (bug 1346199) as it's now ready to land and past traincon-0
[07:13] <pitti> i. e. there's still a release team blocker for it
[07:13] <pitti> oh wait, that's just the general alpha-2 freeze I suppose
[08:42] <infinity> pitti: Self-diagnosing developers.  I like it.    I think it's the act of asking that kicks the brain into better diagnostic modes.
[08:48] <infinity> pitti: I'm almost positive cjwatson now has a habit if delaying any response to me by half an hour to make sure I actually want an answer, rather than just wanting someone to ask to trick myself into finding the answer. :P
[08:49] <infinity> pitti: For me, I think it's the split second when I hit <enter> on a question where I think "wait, is this going to make me look like an idiot?... IT SURE IS", and then the answer comes to me.
[08:51] <pitti> infinity: I'm glad I'm not the only one to embarass oneself :)
[08:57] <infinity> cjwatson: base-files and livecd-rootfs could use a quick once-over for precise.
[08:58] <infinity> stgraber: Or you, if you're around, since this is your point release.  Not sure what timezone you're in, or if you're around.
[08:58] <cjwatson> let me delay that for half an hour so you can decide whether you really need them
[08:58] <pitti> infinity: oh, and when would be a good time for my daily nag about postgresql SRUs?
[08:58] <infinity> cjwatson: Lollerfrigginskates.
[08:58] <infinity> pitti: Oh, perhaps nowish.  Which release(s)?
[08:59] <pitti> infinity: lucid, precise, trusty
[08:59] <pitti> IOW, "all"
[08:59] <infinity> *nod*
[08:59] <infinity> Looking.
[08:59] <pitti> quite nice to have a time with no supported non-LTS releases :)
[09:00] <infinity> pitti: Yeah.  Won't last.  But I guess it'll recur for the three month period after each LTS.
[09:00] <pitti> ROLLING RELE*cough* *cough*
[09:00] <infinity> pitti: Bad pitti.  No biscuit.
[09:01]  * pitti sobs
[09:02] <infinity> pitti: Hrm.  The 8.4/lucid warning probably belongs in NEWS, not changelog.  Also, it would be less sketchy if you suggested people upgrade to 12.04/14.04 before suggesting that, if they must run lucid, they upgrade to non-archive packages.
[09:03] <pitti> infinity: ah, I thought of apt-listchanges
[09:03] <pitti> infinity: but I can reupload with adding that to NEWS too
[09:03] <infinity> pitti: The default apt-listchanges config only shows NEWS.
[09:04] <infinity> pitti: People (like me, and probably you) have to actually reconfigure to show changelogs.
[09:04] <pitti> "Consider upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS or 14.04 LTS, or upgrading to PostgreSQL 9.x from http://apt.postgresql.org/"
[09:04] <pitti> better?
[09:05] <pitti> FWIW, that's really the place that we send all people to who need backports; these are officialy supported by upstream, and maintained by Christoph and me with a nice CI and QA
[09:05] <infinity> pitti: Yeah.  Or maybe even "Consider upgrading to PostgreSQL 9.x on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS or 14.04 LTS or, if you must stay on lucid, the PostgreSQL 9.x packages from http://apt.postgresql.org/"
[09:05] <infinity> pitti: Since precise has 8.4 as well...
[09:06] <infinity> pitti: I don't doubt that they're well-supported, but they still don't have our seal of approval, per se, plus any chance to get people off lucid is one worth taking. :P
[09:06] <pitti> infinity: yeah, as an upgrade shim; in trusty, the equivalent postgresql-9.1 only builds -plperl, but we didn't think of that yet in precise
[09:06] <pitti> heh, yes
[09:08] <infinity> pitti: Also, don't want to seem too sky-is-falling about it.  No more upstream support and point releases, but our security team will still patch psql 8.4 until lucid EOL.
[09:08] <infinity> pitti: Which is probably worth mentioning, so people don't panic.
[09:10] <pitti> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7903085/
[09:10] <pitti> proposed debian/postgresql-8.4.NEWS
[09:11] <infinity> pitti: That looks reasonable, but I'd move the last line above the paragraph instead of below.  Good(ish) news before bad.
[09:12] <infinity> pitti: I almost missed it, cause I wanted to stop reading halfway through the paragraph that implied I was no longer supported. ;)
[09:13]  * infinity runs to the store for a beverage while you reupload.
[09:14] <pitti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7903102/ ?
[09:14] <pitti> infinity: ^ better?
[09:19] <pitti> infinity: ^
[09:22] <infinity> pitti: Much better, thanks.
[09:22] <infinity> pitti: And precise doesn't need the same warning?  Is the psql 8.4 there neutered to only be useful for upgrading?
[09:23] <pitti> infinity: yes, when you upgrade to precise you get a big fat warning that 8.4 is unsupported and only for upgrades, and it's in universe
[09:23] <pitti> infinity: pretty much the only requirement there is that the version number must be bigger than lucid's
[09:23]  * infinity nods.
[09:23] <pitti> so that you don't lose plperl after upgrades (darn libperl5.x not being installable in parallel)
[09:24] <infinity> Eww, psql imports a copy of tzdata?
[09:24] <infinity> Tell me it doesn't use that on Debian/Ubuntu.
[09:25] <pitti> infinity: no, it doesn't
[09:25] <pitti> infinity: we've configured with --system-tzdata (or so) for the last 10 years (or more?)
[09:26] <infinity> Oh, good.  Cause gross.
[09:26] <pitti> infinity: well, not all target platforms of postgresql have that, so it's a configure option
[09:26] <pitti> (or provide updates to it regularly)
[09:26] <infinity> Keeping on top of tzdata updates is the bane of my existence, I can't imagine trying to track embedded copies.
[09:33] <infinity> pitti: In trusty, you drop 5 patches, but the changelog only explains 2 (or 3, I guess).
[09:34] <pitti> -60-pg_regress_socketdir.patch
[09:34] <pitti> -61-extra_regress_opts
[09:34] <pitti> -62-pg_upgrade-test-in-tmp
[09:34] <pitti> -63-pg_upgrade-test-bindir
[09:35] <pitti> those are the four patches which explicitly used /tmp/ for pg_regress, which is now solved in a better way upstream
[09:35] <pitti> the fifth is dropping 04-configure-tcl8.6 which has its own changelog entry
[09:35] <infinity> Ahh, kay.  Reading the fourth hinted at that.  The naming just didn't imply it related to the changelog entry.
[09:35] <infinity> Good enough for me.
[09:46] <pitti> infinity: cheers!
[09:46] <pitti> infinity: you're still looking at trusty/9.1, I suppose?
[10:40] <infinity> pitti: Oh, no, didn't notice there were two trusty versions.
[10:41] <infinity> pitti: Could be because you messed up the tasks on the bug. :P
[10:41] <pitti> infinity: oui, je suis désolé
[10:41] <pitti> infinity: we always need the previous major version as an upgrade shim for -plperl (see above)
[10:42] <pitti> so that you can use the pacakges from the old release for upgrading (but not install the old version any more)
[10:43] <infinity> pitti: Done.
[10:43] <pitti> cheers
[10:44] <infinity> wgrant: Does anyone know Malone well enough to fix that bug/misfeature where deleting a series task from a bug means you can never re-add it?
[10:47] <pitti> infinity: so for trusty the SRU verification is now a single "build" click in jenkins on the trusty-adt-postgresql-9.3 job; want this for older releases, too!
[10:47] <pitti> well, lucid will EOL in 7 months, one less problem
[10:48] <infinity> pitti: However you want to do your validation in a way that you feel would satisfy your MRE obligations and your users. :P
[10:48] <wgrant> infinity: Hm, are you sure that's not fixed/
[10:48] <pitti> infinity: well, running the postgresql-common test suite is what I do manually as well
[10:49] <infinity> wgrant: Positive.
[10:49] <pitti> infinity: there's nothing which requires particular brain powers about it
[10:49] <infinity> wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-9.1/+bug/1348176/+nominate
[10:49] <infinity> wgrant: Note the empty list.
[10:49] <infinity> wgrant: But some tasks don't have all three series'.  In fact, none of them do.
[10:50] <wgrant> infinity: So, I think there's a workaround, but it's slightly awful. Let me test on staging.
[10:50] <pitti> oh, would it perhaps help to delete the stable tasks for all others as well, would it then reappear in +nomiate?
[10:50] <infinity> pitti: No.
[10:50] <infinity> pitti: Pretty sure I've tried that in the past.
[10:50] <wgrant> It's a side effect of bug #110195.
[10:51]  * wgrant is trying the workaround.
[10:52] <infinity> wgrant: If the workaround is an API workaround, it's academically interesting, but mostly useless.
[10:52] <wgrant> infinity: It's not.
[10:52] <infinity> If you can coax the web ui into letting one re-add a deleted task, that would be interesting.
[10:52] <wgrant> Come on staging, you can do it...
[10:53] <pitti> an API workaround would work for fixing a particular bug, too
[10:53] <infinity> pitti: Sure, I just mean in general, it's not something most people will do.
[10:53] <pitti> *nod*
[10:53] <infinity> For all its warts and weird design decisions, this is probably the only bug in Malone that really annoys me on a regular basis.
[10:54] <infinity> The rest, I've just learned to live with, given an "at least it's not bugzilla" attitude.
[10:58] <wgrant> OK, so there *is* a way through the UI, but it's not pretty.
[10:59] <wgrant> The ability to renominate is restored if you delete a task for the target that you want to nominate.
[10:59] <wgrant> Due to #110195, the target is always a DistroSeries, not a SourcePackage.
[11:00] <wgrant> Since you have tasks for each relevant series on that bug, you could remove the package name from each task, delete its series task which is now on the DistroSeries rather than the SourcePackage, set the package name again, and then move onto the next package.
[11:00] <wgrant> Eventually you'll have deleted a task for each DistroSeries, and all will be open for nomination.
[11:06] <pitti> wgrant: happy to do that, if I don't end up with having no tasks at all
[11:07] <wgrant> Heh, if we get into that situation then I'll just hack the DB :)
[11:07]  * pitti takes a deep breath and tries
[11:07] <wgrant> Just make sure that any task you delete doesn't mention a source package.
[11:07] <pitti> ack
[11:09] <pitti> wgrant: so, step 1 on bug 1348176: I should now be able to delete teh ubuntu/precise task, and get back precise nomination?
[11:09] <wgrant> pitti: Yep.
[11:10] <pitti> wgrant: thanks muchly, that worked!
[11:13] <pitti> infinity: how does that look now? :-)
[11:16] <wgrant> Comment #9 makes good use of the inline status changes...
[11:59] <infinity> pitti: Much better!
[13:05] <stgraber> infinity: I'm back to my usual timezone (if you can call it that), so back to Montreal. I assume you got all the reviews you wanted by now?
[13:25] <infinity> stgraber: Yeahp.
[15:46] <infinity> bdmurray: I think we're ready to flip the precise->trusty upgrde toggle.
[15:55] <jibel> infinity, there is still bug 1348067
[15:55] <jibel> for desktop users
[15:57] <jibel> u-m crashes immediately when the user press 'upgrade'
[15:57] <infinity> slangasek: ^
[15:57] <infinity> bdmurray: Belay that...
[15:59] <slangasek> hmm
[15:59] <bdmurray> I just saw that on errors this morning
[15:59] <bdmurray> seems only to effect 12.04 fwiw
[16:00] <infinity> bdmurray: Any idea what's going on there?  mvo's abandoned us for a week. ;)
[16:00] <bdmurray> I'll have a look
[16:02] <bdmurray> infinity: there's an upload in the precise queue already for it
[16:03] <bdmurray> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/180904636/update-manager_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>_1%3A<IP_ADDRESS>.diff.gz
[16:03] <infinity> Oh, shiny.  The bug didn't imply there was.
[16:04] <bdmurray> infinity: really? 6. install update-manager from precise-proposed
[16:04] <infinity> jibel: If I review and accept that, how soon can you turn around a verification?
[16:04] <infinity> bdmurray: I assumed that was jibel being optimistic about a fix happening. :)
[16:04] <bdmurray> heh
[16:05] <bdmurray> I've put a link to the errors bucket in the bug too
[16:17] <jibel> I can do that later today
[16:17] <jibel> infinity, ^
[16:18] <infinity> jibel: Awesome.  If you could verify the other two bugs fixed in the upload in passing (they looks simpler than your bug), that would be helpful to expedite it.  If not, we'll hunt someone else down.
[16:19] <jibel> meh, I've a test VM ready with lts-trusty but not lts-saucy :(
[16:19] <jibel> infinity, I'll do the verification too
[16:20] <infinity> jibel: You're my hero.
[19:47] <jibel> infinity, I verified the 3 SRU of update-manager in Precise. It's successful, for bug 1349400 I verified that *-lts-trusty:i386 replaced *-lts-saucy:i386 and there is a display after upgrade and a reboot. Steps 4 and 7 "verify that it work/doesn't work" do not mean anything.
[20:21] <doko> mlankhorst, online?


[21:11] <neurochrome> Is there any way of setting up a folder so that when I drop a file in it, it moves the file to another folder within the original that corresponds to the first character of the file.  eg; if I drop the file "tree.jpg" it would move it to the folder called "t".
[21:11] <nibbler> zagabar: yep, the $ just shows that this is a variable
[21:11] <guntbert> youcef: no - but there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:11] <zagabar> nibbler: Kay, got it!
[21:11] <funkiwan> darolu: i'm trying to determine if a specific setting (Option RBCornerButton) is set for my touchpad
[21:11] <neurochrome> youcef, lol, not really, try the ubuntuforums site for that or reddit
[21:12] <youcef> whats this guntbert??
[21:12] <guntbert> youcef: I told you already
[21:12] <neurochrome> youcef, another chatroom for offtopic chat (non-support)
[21:12] <SPhcT> how do i recower data from hard disk?
[21:12] <queso> How can I rm all files of 0 size?  Or how can I select them using nautilus?
[21:12] <darolu> funkiwan: you my find what you need here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[21:13] <airtonix> neurochrome, you could make a script to do that, then make a desktop file pointing to that script
[21:13] <nibbler> SPhcT: start with dd_rescue and then with some software to recognize file formatas (photorec and others do that)
[21:13] <youcef> i want chat rooms for friends and girls lol
[21:13] <airtonix> !ot | youcef
[21:13] <funkiwan> darolu: thanks. reading it now.
[21:13] <SPhcT> nibbler but if it was opened before can i still recover data..?
[21:13] <nibbler> queso: you could sort by size and select the top/bottom ones. but normally this sounds like a job for the shell....
[21:14] <nibbler> SPhcT: the harddrive was opened? physically? then: 99.99% no
[21:14] <mcurran> anyone here use BeEF
[21:14] <neurochrome> airtonix, yeah I figure a script but I don't quite comprehend how to implement it.  I could set a cronjob to run on a fodler, but is there a way to make the script just run when I drop the files?
[21:14] <nibbler> mcurran: i had 250grams of finest beef for dinner tonight
[21:14] <darolu> youcef I heard the #hornykiddies channel has what you need
[21:14] <SPhcT> nibbler case was opened.. than files i cant back anything..?
[21:15] <airtonix> neurochrome, cronjob is a bit delayed... are you aware of saved search folders in nautilius ?
[21:15] <guntbert> darolu: please don't
[21:15] <neurochrome> youcef, you are in the worng place, stop spamming and go elsewhere. patience is wearing thin
[21:15] <neurochrome> airtonix, no, go on...
[21:15] <nibbler> SPhcT: nope, forget it.... any dust kills the disk immediately - and by any i mean really any. not like if you have a lot of dust or something, just any
[21:15] <kruvalig> I have Ubuntu installed and mobile phone Philips x500. I want to use gprs internet. How can i do it in fedora?
[21:15] <erUSUL> queso: « find directory/ -type f -empty -print » if you are ok with the output just do  « find directory/ -type f -empty -delete »
[21:16] <nibbler> SPhcT: but give it a try, plug it, see if dd_rescue scratches of some bits ;-)
[21:16] <SPhcT> nibbler if i take it to service can they get out data..?
[21:16] <nibbler> SPhcT: oh, if you want to spend a lot of money for that, there is companys who might be able to help you. but this will be $2000+ or something
[21:16] <queso> nibbler, erUSUL: thx
[21:16] <airtonix> neurochrome, if you open any folder, then press ctrl + f and do a search for something... wait for results.. then goto the file menu and select save search... it will create a special folder in your home folder that gives you a view to the results of that search which will update every time you view that 'saved search folder'
[21:17] <SPhcT> nibbler or for them after my work it also will be imposoble..? ye i now there is people who are ready to pay that..
[21:17] <erUSUL> neurochrome: man inotifywait
[21:17] <ivansmo> Help Please, I have XUBUNTU 8.04 and I notice slow internet speed. I look at connection information and there is 1Mb/s,  It is wireless connection wlan0
[21:17] <neurochrome> erUSUL, yes this could be of use...
[21:18] <nibbler> SPhcT: it wont get easier, but i dont really know
[21:18] <erUSUL> ivansmo: sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M
[21:18] <MegaHerz> DasEi: need to restart
[21:18] <neurochrome> airtonix, sounds interesting but still don't know if that is the best way to implement this, there are 101 ways I could go about this!
[21:18] <nibbler> ivansmo: sounds like you have bad signal, 1Mb/s is nothing...
[21:18] <SPhcT> nibbler do you now where i can ask..?
[21:18] <ivansmo> signall strenght is 66%
[21:18] <airtonix> neurochrome, my reason for mentioning saved search folders is that i think its possible to setup other kinds of folders providing you create the 'handler'
[21:19] <nibbler> SPhcT: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE
[21:19] <nibbler> SPhcT: sorry, meant http://www.google.de/search?q=disk+recovery+service
[21:19] <zagabar> nibbler: http://pastebin.com/w3yfwazF I got this error.
[21:19] <ivansmo> erUSUL i tred what You say to me and after restart there is sam problem again
[21:19] <hannes815> hay, quick question. can someone help me with fahrenheit+wine=d3d error on start-up?
[21:20] <ivansmo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1307667   here is what I was tryed
[21:20] <nibbler> zagabar: put a space behind the !
[21:20] <neurochrome> erUSUL, does this work with folders, I know everything in linux is a file, so does this wait for the file*(folder) to be changed and then carry out a script
[21:20] <erUSUL> ivansmo: well that setting is not saved anywhere. you have to run the command everytime you boot the computer. you can put it in some of the init scripts. maybe in /etc/network/if-up.d/ ??
[21:20] <nvme> how do i make a binary 'sudo-able', i added it to my path but sudo keeps saying command not found
[21:20] <SPhcT> erUSUL can recowery service repire alredy opened disks..?
[21:21] <erUSUL> neurochrome: could be. just skimmed over the man page after doing « man -k inotify »
[21:21] <nibbler> nvme: that is because by executing sudo you run it in another enviroment. move it to /usr/sbin and should work
[21:21] <guntbert> nvme: you have to add its directory to your path (not the file)
[21:21] <erUSUL> SPhcT: really dunno sorry
[21:21] <neurochrome> airtonix, I do love the scope that linux offers... I just wish I could learn everything faster, it seems I've been using Linux for years and still know that _I_know_nothing_
[21:21] <nvme> guntbert, i did add the directory, it works fine until i sudo'
[21:21] <ubuntu_> I believe that the next version of ubuntu is a LTS version... will this include a 'xen' enabled kernel?
[21:21] <guntbert> nvme: what nibbler said  is correct - I spoke nonsense
[21:22] <guntbert> !lucid | ubuntu_
[21:22] <nvme> nibbler, will a symlink do ?
[21:22] <ivansmo> erUSUL I will try to find how to writte script file and how to make it run on the boot THX
[21:22] <erUSUL> ivansmo: quick and dirty add it to /etc/rc.local
[21:22] <nibbler> nvme: guess so
[21:23] <ivansmo> Just one more question, is it posible that my problem is because I have changed my wireless router it is linksys and yesterday it was d-link
[21:23] <ubuntu_> guntbert, there not answering, so I though I try here.
[21:23] <nibbler> ivansmo: d-link crap? that explains a lot :p
[21:23] <guntbert> ubuntu_: but here it is off topic
[21:23] <ivansmo> no, d-link is off now, from yesterday I use linksys
[21:23] <ivansmo> :)
[21:23] <Guest19751> hey I have Apache working locally all fine but could someone tell me why I cant access my server from outside my router?
[21:24] <Guest19751> I tried changing the port number to 5000 but no luck either
[21:24] <zagabar> nibbler: Now I got this: http://pastebin.com/n2Y6Tfru
[21:24] <neurochrome> Guest19751, because you haven't setup port forwarding on your router?
[21:24] <ubuntu_> Guest19751, you will need alter the config of you router.
[21:25] <bastidrazor> Guest19751: the ports apache is using need to be port forwarded.. also many ISP's block port 80  so one can not have  a server on the standard port
[21:25] <nibbler> zagabar: ok, but it tells you how to do it, move the ! in front of the dash
[21:25] <Guest19751> Ubuntu_ could you elaborate slightly, as in whatwill I need to alter
[21:25] <youcef>  i want install windows programes in my ubuntu  how i do that?
[21:25] <Guest19751> oh so I need to find port forwarding on my router for it to work
[21:25] <nibbler> zagabar: sorry, dont have all the syntax ready here - and am not 100% positive if it will fix your problem anyway ;-)
[21:25] <neurochrome> Guest19751, you need to tell incoming net traffic (port 80 by default) that it is to point to your machine on your home network (whatever IP that machine has)
[21:26] <ubuntu_> bastidrazor, Guest19751,  my ISP does block port 80 (http:) but not 403 (https:)
[21:26] <ScoobyDoo> Is it possible to build your Delphi project to .exe using lazarus?
[21:26] <Guest19751> hmm ill have a look but not sure my router is capable of this
[21:27] <nibbler> ubuntu_ https is 443
[21:27] <neurochrome> Guest19751, so you might want the router to point incoming port 80 traffic to the network machine <IP_ADDRESS> (if that is the static ip of the server on your home network)
[21:27] <bastidrazor> Guest19751: portfoward.com will aid you
[21:27] <ubuntu_> nibbler, oops! yes.
[21:28] <neurochrome> Guest10961, what ISP/router?  plus take note that testing this ON YOUR HOME NETWORK will most likely NOT work. you can only confirm this works outside of your home network
[21:28] <DasEi> megahertz ?
[21:28] <neurochrome> Guest10961, I hope you're getting all this, I've stated everything you need to do ;)
[21:28] <ScoobyDoo> Is it possible to build your Delphi project to .exe using lazarus?
[21:29] <bastidrazor> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/  neurochrome Guest19751 is a good site to also help for just such things
[21:29] <warriorforgod> youcef: You can try and use wine.
[21:30] <neurochrome> bastidrazor, I doubt that will be of much help
[21:30] <zagabar> nibbler: I got the command right, but it still doesn't work. :/ Any more ideas?
[21:30] <funkiwan> Touchpad problem sovled! Thanks darolu.
[21:30] <warriorforgod> Guest19751: What kind of router do you have?
[21:30] <bastidrazor> neurochrome: how will it not help?
[21:31] <nibbler> zagabar: ok, so you can access the server fine, but just issuing this one command breaks this?
[21:31] <neurochrome> bastidrazor, actually depends, but he could have remote router login enabled which wouldn't really help him ascertain if his server is functioning correctly
[21:31] <nibbler> zagabar: does it have multiple NICs?
[21:31] <Traveler1> sorry a min i got bumped is there a simple way to tunnel into a 9.10 server and see the folders with network neighbor hood
[21:31] <FloodBot4> !netsplit
[21:32] <bastidrazor> neurochrome: once the ports were correctly forwarded then yes, this site would check his server from outside his network doing exactly what you suggested
[21:32] <neurochrome> bastidrazor, yes indeed... but like I say even if his server wasn't working, if remote router login is enabled then the site will still say everything is ok
[21:33] <jgcampbell300> hello
[21:33] <mengu> hi. i have removed the menu from the top panel. i have added it again but it is not displayed as "applications places system" but theres a gnome icon and when i click on it the menu is opened. how can i make it like it was before?
[21:33] <bastidrazor> neurochrome: how is remote router login going to aid him in portforwarding from inside his network?
[21:33] <neurochrome> mengu, worng menu added (there are 2)
[21:33] <zagabar> nibbler: I can always access my server fine in many ways, like web, irc, ftp, ssh, etc, but when posting just that rule (-A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE), then I cannot log in with squirrelmali nor thunderbird. All other services still works. And then when I remove that rule, it works again. What is a NIC?
[21:34] <magn3ts> Where do I talk to someone about packaging problems in ubuntu?
[21:34] <mengu> which one should i add neurochrome
[21:34] <zagabar> nibbler: Oh, a network interface card. Yes, I have 3. eth0 (connectet outwards), eth1 and wlan0 (connected inwards)
[21:34] <nibbler> zagabar: nic is a network interface card. ok then i understood your problem wrong before. that is very strange indeed.
[21:34] <neurochrome> bastidrazor, you don't follow... I'm not saying that he should setup remote router login... what I'm saying is that site will not differentiate between a remote login or a server hosted page
[21:34] <magn3ts> !irc
[21:34] <mengu> hmm menubar
[21:34] <mengu> thanks neurochrome
[21:34] <neurochrome> mengu, the _other_ one ;)
[21:35] <neurochrome> mengu, no problem
[21:35] <jgcampbell300> I am trying to figure out what would be the most secure way to fix other peoples computers over the net with out useing a service like crossloop or something like that ... i was thinking of using my web space as a redirect for vnc and remote desktop secions ... does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
[21:35] <neurochrome> bastidrazor, catch my drift?
[21:35] <reactor16> hi all
[21:35] <zagabar> nibbler: I see. Yeah, it is really strange. :S I mean, why just the email service? And it has not to do with ports, since I can telnet to the server on the mail ports during this rule is active.
[21:35] <reactor16> is there command that monitor prossess and run it if is down ?
[21:35] <DasEi> jgcampbell300: ssh of course
[21:35] <neurochrome> jgcampbell300, ssh tunneling, openvpn, vnc
[21:35] <nibbler> zagabar: thats really very strange. can you use tcpdump to analyse the difference in the squierrelmail connection with/without this rule?
[21:36] <Traveler1> is there a guide for setting up a public ssh.d and forwarding ports to a xp system connection sees drives or folders
[21:36] <nibbler> Traveler1: maybe you want openvpn?
[21:36] <DasEi> !ssh | Traveler1
[21:36] <bastidrazor> neurochrome: no. that site looks at a webhost on port 80 .. not 8080 or whatever other port a remote router login would use.
[21:36] <zagabar> nibbler: How do I use tcpdump?
[21:37] <jgcampbell300> i have been useing freenx for linux connections but the problam i have been runing into is the people im helping are not that computer savy and usualy hang up on forwarding the ports on there routers
[21:37] <nibbler> zagabar: well, tcpdump -i $interface_you_use_to_come_in -n   - then connect, then put in rule and connect again, nopaste output
[21:38] <neurochrome> bastidrazor, touche... it pains me to say this but... you are right, I am wrong.
[21:38] <Traveler1> do i config ports for forword on the server side of the putty side will need to request them over the ssh
[21:38] <blakkheim> zagabar: man tcpdump
[21:38] <reactor16> is there command that monitor prossess and run it if is down ?
[21:39] <reactor16> or keep it running
[21:39] <BellinXFelon> hey i have an external hdd and after a certain period of time the contents of the drive become inaccessible, as if it unmounts itself, can anyone help?
[21:39] <neurochrome> reactor16, you could check that a process is running with a bash script and if it sin't launch it
[21:39] <tucemiux> i'm wondering how stable is NTFS support on partimage?  I want to back up my NTFS partition in case my hard drive hoses
[21:40] <reactor16> neurochrome where i can get such script ?
[21:40] <jonez> tucemiux, one thing you could do is try and find the 'bug tracker' for the package, and see how many bugs are open.
[21:40] <DasEi> BellinXFelon: check /var/log/syslog
[21:41] <neurochrome> reactor16, (cough) write one?... there may be one somewhere on the web though
[21:41] <bastidrazor> neurochrome: learning is the point here :)
[21:41] <BellinXFelon> DasEi : in terminal
[21:41] <neurochrome> bastidrazor, I completely overlooked that remote login is not port 80... doh!
[21:41] <DasEi> BellinXFelon: open terminal:  gedit /var/log/syslog
[21:42] <Defense|Twin> Hi, anyone can tell me how i can install a kernel 2.6.32 or 2.6.33 for ubuntu 9.10?
[21:42] <bastidrazor> Traveler1: the remote server would need to have ssh listening on another port and also putty would need to be directed at that port.
[21:42] <BellinXFelon> DasEi: ok gedit is open
[21:43] <bastidrazor> neurochrome: port 80 can be used for a remote login but is not set as the standard port by default in routers. normally 8080 is or 1080.
[21:43] <DasEi> BellinXFelon: look at the timestamps and check when this occured, any messages ? besides can also look in /var/log/messages (just also open in gedit to view)
[21:44] <hapik> hi, I'm newbie as to networking. I'm pinging windows machine via wifi ad-hoc connection - it's ok. Now, trying sftp user@ip gives me nothing. Should I start a ftp server on windows to be able to send a file?
[21:44] <erUSUL> Defense|Twin: any reason you need a newer kernel ? (btw 33 is not out yet)
[21:44] <Defense|Twin> erUSUL: its some kind of long story:
[21:44] <erUSUL> hapik: no you need a ssh server for windows
[21:44] <nibbler> ubuntu upgrade just warned me about: http://www.debian.org/security/pam-auth  - which ubuntu versions were affected by this bug?
[21:45] <BellinXFelon> DasEi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/382552/
[21:45] <erUSUL> Defense|Twin: there are some ppa that will offer a newer kernel.
[21:45] <neurochrome> bastidrazor, yeah I'm with sky and it took me months to realise that my server _was_ working just not when I tested it at home... it took pointing my 3g phone at the ip to realise (after countless calls to sky customer service who are about as useful as a chocolate teapot)
[21:45] <DasEi> hapik: for just a file use ssh, yes got to setup a win server (ssh)or the other way round (ssh-server ubunut, putty on win)
[21:46] <Defense|Twin> erUSUL: This weekend i updated the firmware of my Super Tlent SSD. since that Kubuntu allways comes up with some IO-errors after a few seconds/minutes ... the funny thing is that i can use the SSD with Gentoo and Fedora without any problem.. also with older kernel versions...
[21:47] <kantor> hi
[21:47] <Defense|Twin> erUSUL: now i only want to test if it is maybe only a 2.6.31 Kernel problem in Kubuntu
[21:47] <kantor> why is that in newer gnome versions like 2.29 (included in ubuntu 10.04 alpha) I can not disable the touchpad ?? there is no such option
[21:48] <FloodBot2> !netsplit
[21:48] <DasEi> BellinXFelon: is this the whole syslog ? no hd-related stuff in there, try (trml) :
[21:48] <kantor> why is that in newer gnome versions like 2.29 (included in ubuntu 10.04 alpha) I can not disable the touchpad ?? there is no such option
[21:48] <hapik> arUSUL: please, confirm or correct my way of thinking. I will download FileZilla Server for Windows, install it and start on Win. Then from Linux machine using sftp I should be able to connect to win. Right?
[21:48] <derp> !netsplit
[21:48] <DasEi> BellinXFelon: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:49] <erUSUL> hapik: if filezilla ftp server supports sftp yes
[21:49] <kaz00> need help with fdisk of sd card
[21:49] <DasEi> BellinXFelon: dmesg | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:49] <kaz00> i think
[21:49] <erUSUL> Defense|Twin: as i said you probably can find a ppa (the x edgers for example) with newer kernels)
[21:49] <erUSUL> !ppa | Defense|Twin
[21:50] <Ricoshady> is there a drupal api function to stream a file?
[21:50] <erUSUL> Ricoshady: #drupal
[21:50] <kantor> why is that in newer gnome versions like 2.29 (included in ubuntu 10.04 alpha) I can not disable the touchpad ?? there is no such option
[21:50] <kaz00> the symptom i am observing: when i untar an archive that has symlinks in it, the links are broken when the archive is untarred onto my sd card
[21:50] <DasEi> kaz00: want to format it ? use gparted
[21:50] <meowagi> how can i resume a x11 remote session with ssh?
[21:51] <kaz00> DasEi:i have used parted. i have tried fdisk. this has lead to questions
[21:51] <ivansmo> erUSUL , I have wrote that command in rc.local and when I boot it always ask me to type WPA2 but it cant recognized the key and just ask me again and again.
[21:51] <kaz00> i have tried toi make the card a linux partition
[21:51] <DasEi> kaz00: use rsync, see manpage on howto savee symlinks
[21:51] <kaz00> then makefs.ext2
[21:51] <chlumsko> drupal: file_create_url	includes/file.inc	Creates a web-accessible URL for a stream to an external or local file. from http://api.drupal.org/api/group/file/7
[21:51] <kaz00> ok
[21:51] <kaz00> man rsync?
[21:51] <DasEi> y
[21:51] <kaz00> ty!
[21:51] <blakkheim> meowagi: you can't
[21:52] <meowagi> i logged in in my box with ssh -Y myuser@2001:2eab:2aea:31b6:12af:2
[21:52] <meowagi> blackkheim why not?
[21:52] <erUSUL> ivansmo: if you remove the command from rc.local it stops asking for a password ? i do not think the command has anything to do with that command
[21:52] <DasEi> BellinXFelon: url from last command ?
[21:52] <ivansmo> I think it does, because if I type that now in terminal I get same problem
[21:52] <blakkheim> meowagi: you can run X applications through ssh but you can't "reattach" to them as if they were cli apps in screen. you need like a vnc client for that
[21:53] <meowagi> i start programs like that xchat & adn xchat appears here
[21:53] <ivansmo> and problem disapear when I reboot
[21:53] <poseidon> For my high school physics class I'm allowed to have one sheet which contains formulas on it.  What would be the best way for me to create a page of physics formulas I can print out?  I want to be able to have subscripts, exponents, bar notation, fractions, greek letters, etc.
[21:53] <ivansmo> or when I remove command from rc.local :(
[21:53] <meowagi> blakkheim, can emulate a screen?
[21:53] <meowagi> mirroring x11 to the screen and to x11 maybe?
[21:54] <meowagi> vnc sucks for some reasons
[21:54] <meowagi> due a bug on the nvidia drivers or ubuntu it doesnt refresh the screen
[21:55] <meowagi> x11vnc is much faster but it crashes
[21:55] <chlumsko> poseidon: the quasi standart for this use is latex, but hard to learn, try lyx
[21:55] <meowagi> i think three is a issue with framebuf
[21:56] <m_fulder> I've resently installed samba and it works fine to share folders windows->ubuntu and vice versa  through the internal HDD on my ubuntu computer, though when I try to share an external HDD (USB connected) it doens't work (in windows I get the error that the path can not be found) why?
[21:56] <ivansmo> erUSUL can there be a problem with WPA2???
[21:56] <meowagi> m_fulder because the samba stuff on nautilus is buggy
[21:56] <sixofour> so, firefox, latest buntu with kde4, youtube, i can't stop or start youtube videos, i can't press any of the bottons on the video at all... :/
[21:57] <m_fulder> :( is there a way to fix this meowagi
[21:57] <meowagi> edit the /etc/samba/smb.conf
[21:57] <meowagi> just add a line [external]
[21:57] <kaz00> DasEi: when i untar the archive onto my local drive i get the same issue: symlinks are broken. i use '$ tar xvf ball.tar' and everythin is unpacked but important symlinks are broken... ???
[21:57] <erUSUL> ivansmo: do not think so; but can not be sure ... i only use wpa here
[21:57] <m_fulder> meowagi,  what should I change there
[21:57] <meowagi> and copy the stuff from the above line [printers]
[21:57] <kaz00> so prblem seems to not be remote only
[21:57] <mondragon> is there any way to get gcc-3.4.6 on 9.10 via apt?
[21:58] <meowagi> or start nautilus with sudo
[21:58] <meowagi> sudo nautilus, and try to add the shares
[21:58] <meowagi> nautilus is very buggy in this case
[21:58] <Switch10> meowagi: gksudo for GUI
[21:58] <m_fulder> meowagi,  where do I add [external] exaclty?
[21:58] <Slydon> What is the name of the OSX type shortcut bar for ubuntu? like AWS or something?
[21:59] <meowagi> in the smb.conf
[21:59] <m_fulder> under [global] ?
[21:59] <meowagi> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[21:59] <Switch10> Slydon: awn
[21:59] <meowagi> no at the end
[21:59] <m_fulder> oki
[21:59] <meowagi> share=/path/to/externalhd
[21:59] <meowagi> or something
[21:59] <Slydon> Switch: thank you!
[22:00] <mod> Is there a way to drag windows between Workspace Switcher panels in 9.10?  I could do this in 9.04 (and 8)
[22:00] <meowagi> path = /sharepath/
[22:00] <hapik> how to start a sftp server?
[22:00] <mod> seems like a step backwards O.o
[22:01] <Switch10> mod: it should let you by default. Just like 9.04
[22:01] <mod> hapik, you probably have to install on
[22:01] <DasEi> kaz00: that's another thing now, I've no firm experiences with tar's behavement on symlinks, see : http://tinyurl.com/yzzcq9y
[22:01] <mod> Switch10, i've installed two 9.10 systems now, same diff...
[22:01] <mod> i pull it, does nothing
[22:01] <Switch10> mod: hmm. It works for me
[22:01] <mod> is there more config for Workspac Switcher than the tiny control panel for it?
[22:01] <mod> weird
[22:01] <kaz00> DasEi: ty will take-a-peek
[22:02] <m_fulder> meowagi, so like this:   [external]	path = /media/PACKARDBELL
[22:02] <kaz00> lol. i read that already. :(
[22:02] <mod> Sitch10, I left click on the tiny window inside the panel, and then drag it to another panel... nuthin, grrr
[22:02] <bastidrazor> Slydon: also try cairo-dock .. has a bit more features than AWN
[22:02] <kaz00> so maybe the links arent made when tar ball is made? so links arent there to begin with perhaps. bummer.
[22:02] <seanbrystone> packardbell? *shudders*
[22:02] <meowagi> nah
[22:02] <mod> er sorry, Switch10
[22:03] <warriorforgod> m_fulder: Do you really have a packard bell pc sitting on your network?
[22:03] <meowagi> [external] -> new line
[22:03] <meowagi> path = /path/
[22:03] <mod> Switch10, you are using Workspace Switcher 2.28.0?
[22:03] <m_fulder> yeah new line and then path
[22:03] <meowagi> ok
[22:03] <meowagi> then reload the smb server
[22:03] <m_fulder> warriorforgod,  no I have not, but the externar HDD is a packardbell HDD
[22:04] <m_fulder> external *
[22:04] <arleslie> I'm trying to install Grub to my Flash card using Ubuntu 9.10 but I can't find the Stage1 folder
[22:04] <meowagi> external is the share appears
[22:04] <meowagi> the sharename in the brackets
[22:04] <Slydon> bastidrazor: i read about that one as well, I'll check it out.
[22:04] <Switch10> mod: I'm not sure. I just checked if it would work on my buddys computer. It works fine. Maybe now you need compiz or something
[22:05] <ubuntu___> do i have grub or grub 2?
[22:06] <ubuntu___> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[22:06] <ubuntu___> Error 15: File not found
[22:06] <Switch10> ubuntu___: are you using ubuntu 9.10?
[22:06] <ubuntu___> ya
[22:06] <Switch10> ubuntu___: you have grub 2
[22:07] <m_fulder> meowagi,  I now see a new folder in the Network->MYUBUNTUCOMP dir. .. there is the "external" folder..but while trying to access it requires acc/pass why?
[22:07] <ubuntu___> ok. Switch10 how to restore it.
[22:07] <Erwyn> hello
[22:07] <ubuntu___> ok. Switch10 how to restore it after i installed windows
[22:07] <ubuntu_> Switch10, no
[22:08] <Switch10> There is a whole wiki page on grub2. Search for it. You should have installed windows first
[22:08] <mod> Switch10, I think you're right abotu needing compwiz config... bleh... more junk ;)
[22:08] <erUSUL> !grub2
[22:09] <Switch10> erUSUL: that's it. Thanks
[22:09] <Switch10> mod: yeah that's a pain.
[22:09] <seanbrystone> is it possible to pause a running gzip process?
[22:09] <erUSUL> seanbrystone: crtl + z ?
[22:10] <seanbrystone> ctrl + z?
[22:10] <erUSUL> seanbrystone: that stops the current running program
[22:10] <seanbrystone> erUSUL, will it resume later?
[22:11] <seanbrystone> ctrl z not working
[22:11] <seanbrystone> how do i pause gzip?
[22:12] <psychicist> hi, is there a (rational) solution to sound not working with ich6 on 9.10? should I upgrade alsa drivers and libs?
[22:12] <Guest48079> can i attach the control panel to the video screen for mplayer?
[22:12] <erUSUL> !intelhda
[22:12] <psychicist> thanks, I'll have a look at that
[22:12] <sweetandy> Guest48079: mplayer does not come with a GUI, try smplayer
[22:13] <Guest48079> smplayer was wierd
[22:13] <Guest48079> it kept stopping
[22:13] <Switch10> Guest48079: what about vlc
[22:13] <Guest48079> and i have to go back int he track bar to make it play again
[22:13] <Guest48079> ok ill try that :)
[22:14] <tonettothebest> ciao belli
[22:15] <zagabar> nibbler: Sorry for the delay, but here it is: http://pastebin.com/NQETKfk6
[22:22] <nibbler> zagabar: this looks good. at least there is also bidirectional traffic, but how the hell can squirrelmail be affected then. do other webpages work?
[22:23] <tonettothebest> raga qlkn può aiutarmi
[22:23] <tonettothebest> plsssssssss
[22:23] <mod> switch10, turned off compwiz completely.... all's well :D
[22:23] <zagabar> nibbler: Yes, all other standard html sites works, as well as my ampache server. Also, squirrelmail works partly, since I am prompted to log in. The problem is that I get a "incorrect user" error from it.  When I installed ubuntu again I cant get to ntfs partiotion not from win or ubuntu. Gparted says that it is unallocated. Is there a way to get data back?
[22:27] <gz0> Im trying to install a list of packages using apt-get but ignore missing packages? ive tried -m -f and --ignore-missing? thanks
[22:28] <zagabar> nibbler: I just installed it from the repositorys and basically used standard settings. Also standard settings at the general mailserver stuff. How would a database fail just because of the iptable rule? :S
[22:28] <nibbler> zagabar: hmmmmmmmmm
[22:29] <nibbler> zagabar: paste your /etc/hosts pls
[22:30] <malikkite> hello, anyone helping me for a wifi usb?
[22:30] <m_fulder> I've now added this to my smb.conf..still while trying to access the "external" folder in windows I get permission denied error .. why?  http://pastebin.com/DNaU4CYZ
[22:30] <zagabar> nibbler: http://pastebin.com/dCkL2MYe
[22:31] <mod> In 9.10 can I turn my second monitor into a completely new desktop?
[22:31] <nibbler> zagabar: remove <IP_ADDRESS>       Pallkars
[22:31] <mod> i was able to do this in an older gnome under centos
[22:32] <zagabar> nibbler: Can this damage some?
[22:33] <nibbler> zagabar: comment it out, prepend a # if you are scared :)
[22:33] <ubuntu_> iam tring to restore grub of kubuntu 9.10 after installing windows. but getting error 15. what can i do?
[22:33] <kazoo> how do i see what people do when they ssh to me?
[22:33] <nibbler> zagabar: this is a very strange setting that fks up a lot of networking in my experience. its new in 9.10 iirc
[22:34] <bastidrazor> kazoo: you could look at their .bash_history that is loacated in their home directory
[22:34] <malikkite> ubuntu 8.04 i got a wifi usb dongle, working in ubuntu 9.04, but not in 8.04... lsusb recognize the right hardware, lsmod charges the right driver, ifconfig and iwconfig cannot find out.... anyone may help me pls?
[22:34] <nibbler> kazoo: you could give them screen as a shell and attach to their screen session
[22:36] <zagabar> nibbler: I see, I will try it then. Do I have to restart some networking or so?
[22:36] <_Kalce_> salve a tutti, io ho reinstallato ubuntu 9.04. Ovviamente mi manca il plug in flash per firefox. Ricordo che qui in chat qualcuno mi aveva detto come fare per installarlo col terminale.......
[22:36] <bastidrazor> !it | _Kalce_
[22:37] <malikkite> ubuntu 8.04 i got a wifi usb dongle, working in ubuntu 9.04, but not in 8.04... lsusb recognize the right hardware, lsmod charges the right driver, ifconfig and iwconfig cannot find out.... anyone may help me pls?
[22:37] <nibbler> zagabar: normally not, maybe restart apache, but even this should not be necessary
[22:38] <kgs> Ugh..
[22:38] <ubuntu_> iam tring to restore grub of kubuntu 9.10 after installing windows. but getting error 15. what can i do?
[22:38] <comutamike> Hey guys - I know this probably the wrong place to ask, but I'm looking to package some gnome themes - like launchpad.net/airlines.  Any ideas how I can do this?
[22:38] <major_redhat> question: does kdenlive run better in ubuntu with GDM or in Kubuntu with KDE?
[22:39] <jrib> !packaging > comutamike
[22:39] <zagabar> nibbler: I restarted apache2 and got the error: "sudo: unable to resolve host Pallkars"
[22:39] <jrib> comutamike: use existing packages as templates, ask #ubuntu-motu for good examples
[22:39] <malikkite> ubuntu 8.04 i got a wifi usb dongle, working in ubuntu 9.04, but not in 8.04... lsusb recognize the right hardware, lsmod charges the right driver, ifconfig and iwconfig cannot find out.... anyone may help me pls?
[22:40] <zagabar> nibbler:  I could also not use squirrelmail
[22:40] <nibbler> zagabar: hehe thats good. then define pallkars with its *real* ip in /etc/hosts - like the line you took out, just with the real IP
[22:40] <ticko> i have a problem when  trying to share a folder it returns this info and reds out the share name box: " 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare add: cannot convert name "Everyone" to a SID. Memory allocation error. "
[22:41] <comutamike> jrib: Cool - I'll try that
[22:41] <ubuntu_> iam tring to restore grub of kubuntu 9.10 after installing windows. but getting error 15. what can i do?
[22:41] <bob1> hi guys
[22:42] <bob1> i have a problem with linux
[22:42] <lex> Hey guys. FOSS question: anyone knows of a good system for me to clasify and make searchable the metadata of my personal book library? Ive a lot of dead tree informational devices and I want to clasify them.
[22:42] <zagabar> nibbler: Okay.^^ I changed it, restarted without error, but still getting the same login error at squirrelmail.
[22:42] <bob1> it makes the speakers on my laptop pop every once in a while. anyone know how to fix it?
[22:43] <nibbler> zagabar: check apache logs for hints
[22:43] <comutamike> lex: there's a collection utility in the software centre
[22:43] <kazoo> root@Vortex:~# mysql
[22:43] <kazoo> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[22:43] <kazoo> root@Vortex:~#
[22:43] <kazoo> any idea's?
[22:44] <ticko> i have a problem when  trying to share a folder it returns this info and reds out the share name box: " 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare add: cannot convert name "Everyone" to a SID. Memory allocation error. "
[22:44] <comutamike> lex: GCStar
[22:45] <lex> comutamike, hey cool, thats a nice start
[22:45] <comutamike> lex:  It has links to like collection providers... I don't know if there is like  a library provider... So you can use the collection and just type in the like ISBN number and it will look it up from the provider.
[22:46] <comutamike> lex: I was planning on using it to create like the ultimate collection of all the Dr Who memorabelia...
[22:46] <comutamike> lex: It may not actually be on the Repository.
[22:46] <bob1> anyone know why my speakers keep making a pop sound?
[22:47] <portablejim> I have a problem that seems to be caused by dvb_core (log @ http://paste2.org/p/685550 ) that stops my usb from working. How to I get rid of the problem (aside from rebooting)?
[22:47] <major_redhat> bob1: bad speakers? too much power? maybe you have bad plugins/drivers or something
[22:47] <comutamike> lex: GCStar.org
[22:50] <zagabar> nibbler: I don't really know what log to check. I checked the error log, but it doesn't tell me anything new.
[22:50] <axos88> hello! I would like my mysql server to authenticate users based on /etc/passwd. Eg. Every user that is in the mysql group should get access to the db server. I would like to do this so that I don't have to change 100 places when adding or deleting a user (mysql is one of that 100)
[22:51] <rabar> Hi I installed nginx via apt-get install. I delete the /etc/init.d/nginx file, but now I would like to restore it. I tried an apt-get reinstall but the file didnt come back. what can I do?
[22:52] <coldpizza72i> does ubuntu come with a program to burn iso's
[22:52] <kazoo> help, root@Vortex:~# mysql -u root
[22:52] <kazoo> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[22:52] <kazoo> root@Vortex:~#
[22:52] <kazoo> any idea's?
[22:52] <FloodBot4> kazoo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:52] <axos88> coldpizza72i, brasero
[22:52] <kazoo> oop sorry
[22:52] <kazoo> forgot.
[22:53] <zagabar> nibbler: Wait, I do get one error when trying to log in: [Tue Feb 23 23:51:16 2010] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico
[22:53] <nibbler> zagabar: thats no real error :|
[22:53] <zagabar> nibbler: That one four times in a row.
[22:53] <zagabar> Oh. :/
[22:54] <kazoo> Dose anyone know why MySQL won't go?
[22:54] <arleslie> trying to install grub2 on USB, grub-install keeps giving: "Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1"
[22:54] <luigi_> ho un problema con xnee:"Error number: 35 Error:      Record memory failure"
[22:54] <nibbler> zagabar: squirrelmail accesses local mail files on this server, right?
[22:54] <arleslie> !es | luigi_
[22:55] <luigi_> i'm sorry; i was thinking i ware in the italian channel
[22:55] <luigi_> i've got a problem with xnee: "Error number: 35 Error:      Record memory failure"
[22:56] <arleslie> Anyone know why grub-install keeps reporting: "Cannot find a GRUB drive"
[22:57] <DasEi> arleslie: grub1 on a fstabab with uuid ?
[22:57] <zagabar> nibbler: Yes, local mail files. Btw, I found this in an accesslog in the apache log folder: http://pastebin.com/DqDBeyyL
[22:57] <hkphooey> kazoo, mysql server isn't running. try 'sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld restart' or something like that.
[22:57] <ncrfgs> hi, is threre an ubuntu irc server as well? I'm looking for #ubuntu-mozillateam
[22:57] <kazoo> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) any idea's on why mysql won't connect?
[22:57] <DasEi> ncrfgs: irc.ubuntu.com
[22:57] <arleslie> DasEi, I'm trying to install Grub2 onto a USB device.
[22:58] <xangua> ncrfgs: /join #nameofthechannel
[22:58] <ncrfgs> xangua: thanks
[22:58] <xangua> ...
[22:58] <ncrfgs> see you
[22:58] <Myszka> hi
[22:58] <Drawn> hi
[22:59] <luigi_> ho un problema con xnee:"Error number: 35 Error:      Record memory failure"
[22:59] <rapcore> re
[22:59] <rapcore> re
[22:59] <rapcore> r
[22:59] <FloodBot4> rapcore: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:59] <rapcore> ere
[22:59] <arleslie> !it | luigi_
[22:59] <ticko> i have a problem when  trying to share a folder it returns this info and reds out the share name box: " 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare add: cannot convert name "Everyone" to a SID. Memory allocation error. "
[22:59] <militant> hello.  i'm about to put ubuntu on the housekeeper's laptop.  she has a dualcore athlon64.  is there a reason to use the amd64 specific versions?  and what's the diff between alternate and desktop?
[22:59] <luigi_> i've got a problem with xnee: "Error number: 35 Error:      Record memory failure"
[23:00] <sickly> i am having a problem getting compiz to work, ubuntu 8.10, here is the output of "glxinfo" http://paste.ubuntu.com/382587/thanks
[23:00] <sickly> http://paste.ubuntu.com/382587/
[23:00] <foul_owl> how can install a package that existed in jaunty, but doesn't exist in karmic? also, is it considered "safe" to do so? is it possible it will mess up apt?
[23:00] <band_of_koala> Can anyone help me fix my ssh, just got a new router
[23:00] <ticko> militant: you should always use the distro in accordance to your processor for efficiency and ultimate performance...as to alternate vs. desktop the alternate version is more a experienced user version
[23:01] <militant> ticko: ahhh ok.  answers both questions.  thank you
[23:01] <jrib> band_of_koala: was ssh working with the old router?
[23:01] <zagabar> band_of_koala: open port 21?
[23:01] <band_of_koala> jrib: yes
[23:01] <band_of_koala> well without a router
[23:01] <jrib> band_of_koala: then just forward port 22 to your machine
[23:01] <CrocoJet> hi for all ! ext4 problems are solved ? "Delayed allocation and potential data loss"
[23:01] <band_of_koala> jrib:I tried
[23:01] <band_of_koala> jrib: it didn't fix it
[23:02] <jrib> band_of_koala: that's all there is to do.  It's a router issue
[23:02] <band_of_koala> jrib: okay
[23:02] <jrib> band_of_koala: how are you testing?
[23:02] <coldpizza72i> axos88, any idea why a brand new dvd i put in is telling me theres only 1.4gb left
[23:03] <malikkite> ubuntu 8.04 i got a wifi usb dongle, working in ubuntu 9.04, but not in 8.04... lsusb recognize the right hardware, lsmod charges the right driver, ifconfig and iwconfig cannot find out.... anyone may help me pls?
[23:03] <band_of_koala> jrib: trying to ssh into it from my dyndns\
[23:03] <axos88> coldpizza72i, not really
[23:03] <band_of_koala> jrib: i changed the IP on it so it should be right
[23:03] <jrib> band_of_koala: just use the router's ip
[23:04] <arleslie> Anyone know why grub-install keeps reporting: "Cannot find a GRUB drive"
[23:05] <band_of_koala> didnt help
[23:05] <nibbler> zagabar: i am out of ideas, i'm sorry
[23:05] <MattMesa> Is there any easy way to see how fast your net connection is running at and what is eating up bandwidth?
[23:05] <luigi_> i've got a problem with xnee: "Error number: 35 Error:      Record memory failure"
[23:05] <zagabar> nibbler: And those outputs are no bad things?
[23:05] <band_of_koala> jrib: didn't help
[23:05] <jrib> band_of_koala: that confirms the issue is that you are not properly forwarding port 22 to your machine
[23:05] <nibbler> zagabar: try accessing squirrelmail from the host itself, usig a text browser or someting
[23:05] <band_of_koala> jrib: okay I'll try again
[23:05] <nibbler> zagabar: the ones you nopasted? thats the accesslog, that just tells you what pages have been visited
[23:06] <nibbler> zagabar: and they all have returncode 200, which means OK
[23:07] <zagabar> nibbler: I see. When trying to log in from the server itself using lynx, I get the same error.
[23:07] <Schmidt> I have a dual core system, and the CPU scaler seems to only scale down one of the cores, how do I solve that?
[23:07] <kaz00> anyone: am having difficulties with untarred archives.  when i untar them (locally or remotely) i am getting broken symlinks. invoke with 'target_dir$ tar xvf ball.tar'... ???
[23:08] <^sn00per^> ahh much better had to increase my font size  its pretty small on a 8 in screen
[23:09] <major_redhat> ^sn00per^: netbook?
[23:10] <NfuidS> let's say I have "/usr/local/bin/searchd" and I want it to start on server startup, how do I do that?
[23:10] <NfuidS> I know it's with init.d
[23:10] <Younder> Is there a command line utillity (for use in scripts) to send SMS as QuickPage does for pagers?
[23:10] <NfuidS> but I don't know how
[23:11] <jrib> !boot | NfuidS
[23:11] <erUSUL> NfuidS: make a init script for the service ( look at /etc/init.d/skeleton ) then add it to init
[23:11] <zagabar> nibbler: Okay, but thanks for the help anyway. ^^ Do you have suggestions on where to take this problem further?
[23:12] <band_of_koala> jrib: Global Port(s): 22 Local Port(s): 22
[23:12] <band_of_koala> jrib: protocol: both
[23:12] <torasuku> Is there a way I can turn off the opacity fading of window titlebars without disabling Compiz entirely?
[23:12] <arleslie> Can someone help me with Grub-install
[23:12] <nibbler> zagabar: if i just had...
[23:12] <jrib> band_of_koala: so do you believe it's a server issue?
[23:12] <nibbler> zagabar: what is the exact error again?
[23:12] <nibbler> zagabar: screenshot or something :)
[23:12] <band_of_koala> jrib: i have no clue it was working fine yesterday
[23:13] <jrib> band_of_koala: go to your server and « ssh localhost ».  Then check for failed ssh logins in the logs.
[23:13] <jolaren> why is some progrmas green in the terminal?
[23:13] <kazoo> how do i unzip
[23:14] <jrib> jolaren: executable
[23:14] <jrib> kazoo: double click
[23:14] <kazoo> how do i unzip a .bz2 file?
[23:14] <Typos_King> kazoo:    unzip FILE
[23:14] <kazoo> Um it's a shell...
[23:14] <blakkheim> kazoo: man tar
[23:14] <erUSUL> kazoo: bunzip file.bz2
[23:14] <jrib> kazoo: you don't.  Use bunzip2 if that's what you really meant
[23:14] <mac|gyve1> kazoo: file.tar.bz2 or file.bz2?
[23:14] <Younder> Never mind found one: gnokii (www.gnokii.org)
[23:14] <kazoo> tar.bz3
[23:14] <kazoo> tar.bz2 *
[23:14] <Typos_King> ?
[23:15] <mac|gyve1> kazoo: tar -xjf file.tar.bz2
[23:15] <jrib> kazoo: why do you need this?
[23:15] <arleslie> I'm trying to make a startup disk but I keep getting, "Cannot install bootloader"
[23:15] <kazoo> it's for someone else
[23:15] <jrib> kazoo: well you don't usually need tar.bz2 in ubuntu
[23:15] <NfuidS> erUSUL: ok, I created a script from the skeleton, where should I put it ?
[23:15] <mac|gyve1> kazoo: add -v if you want progress
[23:15] <blakkheim> jrib: tarballs are used very often in linux, what do you mean?
[23:15] <conb123> Does a custom login screen have to contain a gtk-2.0 folder with a gtkrc file? Because I have a custom gdm login screen and it contains a full metacity-1 folder but it will not work do I need the gtk-2.0 folder?
[23:16] <jrib> blakkheim: are you from the 90s?
[23:16] <mac|gyve1> jrib: they're *still* used a lot?
[23:16] <band_of_koala> jrib: I can ssh localhost
[23:16] <coldpizza72i> axos88, can i format a dvd r disc
[23:16] <MATb> howdy
[23:16] <zagabar> nibbler: The error is this: http://pallkars.net/~uploader/uploads/shot.PNG And I get it when adding the table rule "iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE". This don't mess up ampache, websites, ftp, ssh nor any other service that I have noticed except squirrelmail and thunderbird. I can still access the mail with mutt via ssh though.
[23:16] <kareeser> conb123: custom login screens no longer work in karmic
[23:16] <band_of_koala> jrib: and the log changes. But if I do it from my dyndns or ip it doesnt work
[23:17] <jrib> mac|gyve1: no they're not.  You can get by without ever touching a tarball yourself on modern-day linux systems
[23:17] <coldpizza72i> axos88, im stupid ...nevermind.....its 1.4gb after it will burn it lol
[23:17] <conb123> kareeser: But I'm pretty sure they work to an extent, I'm using this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gdm2-setup-a-login-interface-management-utility-for-the-new-gdm.html#more-4036
[23:17] <jrib> band_of_koala: it's a router issue.
[23:17] <mac|gyve1> jrib: it depends a *lot* on what you're doing though
[23:17] <band_of_koala> jrib:ok thanks
[23:17] <jrib> mac|gyve1: we're talking about typical usage here
[23:17] <blakkheim> jrib: i use tarballs every day
[23:17] <MATb> hmmmmmmmmmm...
[23:17] <blakkheim> jrib: mainly for source code
[23:17] <nibbler> zagabar: hmmm, maybe its connected to pam, anything in /var/log/auth.log ?
[23:17] <MATb> tar balls is good
[23:17] <jrib> blakkheim: exactly
[23:18] <kareeser> conb123: ah, never used this - so I wouldn't know
[23:18] <kaz00> kazoo: nice nick :o)
[23:19] <kazoo> ..
[23:19] <kareeser> lol
[23:19] <kaz00> solve your unzip problem?
[23:19] <mac|gyve1> this is getting confusing ;)
[23:19] <kazoo> Yeah
[23:19] <mod> Is there a way to get my dual head setup to display a different desktop for each monitor instead of one, wide destkop?
[23:19] <MATb> q for ya: how do i know/find out what desktop manager I'm using?
[23:19] <MATb> just installed 10.1
[23:19] <kazoo> why is MySQL not starting..
[23:19] <blakkheim> MATb: there is no 10.1 and there is no such thing as a desktop manager
[23:19] <zagabar> nibbler: Nope, no entries are created in that log if I try to log in. Not if I do it correctly, nor incorrectly.
[23:19] <jrib> blakkheim: most people who ask how to extract a tarball are usually trying to compile something that's in the repositories anyway (and if that's the case, you usually don't want the tarball), that's my only point
[23:20] <blakkheim> MATb: there is a desktop environment and a window manager, i think you're a bit confused
[23:20] <kaz00> kazoo: how did you install it? from tarball source or via aptitude?
[23:20] <blakkheim> jrib: ok, fair enough. i guess i'm not a "typical" user then :/
[23:20] <conb123> Anyone, is there a way to auto generate a gtkrc file for the purpose of a custom gdm login screen?
[23:20] <MATb> blahblak: I am - sowwy
[23:20] <kazoo> i used sudp apt-get
[23:20] <kazoo> sudo apt-get
[23:20] <kazoo> as the ubuntu page calls for..
[23:20] <cemc> how can I stop X from listening on 6000 in Karmic ?
[23:20] <kaz00> so dependencies should have also been installed.
[23:20] <jrib> blakkheim: I have some programs whose source I like to modify but I never use tar to do it ;)
[23:21] <kaz00> kazoo: what was error again?
[23:21] <MATb> blak: ok - how do i know what desktop environment and window manager I'm runnig?
[23:21] <blakkheim> MATb: did you install x/k/ubuntu?
[23:21] <adambuntu> hey guys, is there any reason why sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-jaunty wont work from ubuntu 9.10 x64?
[23:21] <MATb> ubuntu
[23:21] <kazoo> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[23:21] <blakkheim> MATb: then you are using gnome
[23:21] <nibbler> zagabar: ah ok.... i see, squirrelmail does not use the mail files directly, but connects to your imap server as an client?
[23:21] <MATb> Gnome-Do
[23:22] <MATb> ooops
[23:22] <MATb> gnome, ok - how do i find out?
[23:22] <MATb> any cli?
[23:22] <kaz00> kazoo: so are you sure that mysqld is *not* running and that the error is *not* with the client?
[23:22] <nibbler> kazoo: does the sockfile exist, is a mysql process running etc?
[23:22] <jrib> adambuntu: because that package is for 9.04, not 9.10
[23:22] <zagabar> nibbler: I think so. That is what I remember at least from installing it. Can it be something with the connection when squirrelmail tries to access the IMAP?
[23:23] <kazoo> there is no mysqld.sock
[23:23] <kazoo> should i make it?
[23:23] <MATb> blak: anyway to find out what window manager I am using?
[23:23] <kaz00> kazoo: have you checked whether mysqld is running
[23:23] <MATb> sorry for asking n00b qs
[23:23] <kazoo> It's not running.
[23:24] <Typos_King> MATb:     if you right-click on the desktop, it'd give you some options to show what WM is running
[23:24] <kaz00> this is the place for noob qs mat :D
[23:24] <nibbler> zagabar: i'm pretty sure its actually the authentication mechanim of your imap server that breaks. explains why thunderbird gets the same
[23:24] <sam555> hello all!
[23:24] <Typos_King> allo
[23:24] <nibbler> zagabar: what imap server are you using?
[23:24] <zagabar> nibbler: Okay. Is there a log for the imap somewhere that could verify it?
[23:24] <sam555> anyone know how to install thunderbird on ubuntu?
[23:24] <kaz00> kazoo: but how do you know mysqld is not running? top? ps?
[23:24] <MATb> Typos: nothing happens.......
[23:25] <MATb> hmmmmmmmmmm...
[23:25] <MATb> right mouse click?
[23:25] <kazoo> pidof mysql
[23:25] <zagabar> nibbler: The default one that comes with ubuntu 9.10
[23:25] <MATb> hmmmmmmmmmm...
[23:25] <Typos_King> sam555:   sudo apt-get thunderbird :|
[23:25] <jrib> sam555: thunderbird should be in the repositories
[23:25] <B3rz3rk3r> sam555, apt=get install thunderbird
[23:25] <Typos_King> erk
[23:25] <Typos_King> sam555:   sudo apt-get install thunderbird :|
[23:25] <sam555> thanks folks!
[23:25] <jon5001> I am using evolution, synced with my gmail contacts.  Problem, Gmail automatically adds everyone to whom I send email to my address book.  Result is a ballooning number of contacts that get synced down to evolution.  there is no way to turn this feature off, but there is a sub group within gmail contacts called "my contacts" which does not include all tis garbage.  is there a way to sync evolution to the "my contacts" sub group
[23:25] <jon5001> as opposed to the "all contacts"?
[23:25] <kazoo> hey hey hey
[23:25] <adambuntu> jrib, ok, i need the older wireless drivers for my atheros wireless card. how do i get those if i cant follow the old rules, do i just sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-karmic?
[23:25] <kazoo> i normally use ps x
[23:26] <kazoo> ;)
[23:26] <moredip> @coldpizza yep, Brasero
[23:26] <kaz00> kazoo: just for *its and giggles, what happens when you type 'prompt$ ps -u mysql'?
[23:26] <jrib> adambuntu: you can try.  Check the package descriptions to see what you really need
[23:26] <adambuntu> jrib, how do i do that?
[23:26] <jrib> adambuntu: click on the package in synaptic, it will show the descripting
[23:26] <jrib> tion
[23:26] <kazoo>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
[23:27] <kaz00> lol
[23:27] <raj> helloz
[23:27] <raj> System:    Host raj-desktop Kernel 2.6.31-14-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - Main Edition
[23:27] <adambuntu> jrib, thanks
[23:27] <kazoo> That's all i get..
[23:27] <kareeser> ooooh aaaaah
[23:27]  * kareeser thinks gnome-shell is fancy schmancy
[23:27]  * kareeser thinks the fonts are too big, though
[23:28]  * kareeser also hates how it shows his porn collection in the "recent documents"
[23:28] <kaz00> kazoo: what happens if you enter 'prompt$ my<tab>' does it auto fill for any commands?
[23:28] <kareeser> :(
[23:28] <raj> so did any1 figure out stupid magicjack on ubuntu/mint? they said linux drivers are comming begining of 2010 ... damn i hate promises that are not delivered :S
[23:28] <^vivitar> kareeser: lmao
[23:28] <arleslie> Can someone help me with "grub-install"?
[23:28] <kazoo> wtf is my<tab>?
[23:28] <kareeser> raj: I heard magickjack works in windows in virtualbox...
[23:28] <zagabar> nibbler: I don't seem to have courier at least.
[23:28] <kaz00> enter 'my" at the prompt then hit tab button
[23:29] <raj> I i already have virtual box ... but it sucks .. its laggy and the sound quality is horrible ..  :(
[23:29] <nibbler> zagabar: well, i need to sleep now, i wish you good luck debugging, and i'm sure its the imap server, which also points to the imap-server support channels..... good night
[23:29] <nibbler> night guys
[23:29] <adambuntu> jrib, really no description in there, so i just installed linux-backports-wireless-generic
[23:29] <^vivitar> raj: YOu sure thats not just the magicjack? LoL
[23:29] <adambuntu> jrib, for karmic
[23:29] <luigi_> i've got a problem with xnee: "Error number: 35 Error:      Record memory failure"
[23:30] <root> هاي
[23:30] <adambuntu> jrib, hopefully the package had the atheros 9285 driver in it
[23:30] <octo_> is there something I can add to xorg file to make opengl work better witht the intel 4500M graphics ?
[23:30] <octo_>  i see composite is on, is there anything else i should put in there, i have quite a few games that dont work correctly
[23:30] <raj> vivtar it works perfect under my winblows partition .. thats the ONLY reason i still have WINBLOWs and i have magicjack for that .. theyy have mac support why not linux ?
[23:30] <kaz00> kazooooOOooOOOOoo... what did you get?
[23:31]  * MATb is away - Feeding elephants. - messages will be saved.
[23:31] <zagabar> How can I tell what IMAP-server I am using?
[23:31] <jrib> !away > MATb
[23:31] <adambuntu> jrib, thanks bud
[23:31] <Fraxtil> 'sup incluye? :D
[23:31] <jrib> adambuntu: if it works, you could help others by making a note on the wiki
[23:32] <raj> octo_ yes if you go through the forums i believe there is a post on that.. i cant really remember what i googled for to find it
[23:32] <incluye> j0
[23:33] <Xcell> check
[23:33] <adambuntu> jrib, i will, others have, but i have absolutely no problem doing so
[23:33] <Donfuy> I got a problem with UNR :/
[23:33] <Fraxtil> 'sup Donfuy
[23:33] <Donfuy> Same problem of this guy, apparently.
[23:33] <Donfuy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1406894&highlight=gnome+power+configuration+fail
[23:34] <Donfuy> Hey Fraxtil.
[23:34] <octo_> raj: it seems hard to find good info on intell graphics, i usually had nvidia. Just search for intel in the ubuntu forums you supppose?
[23:34] <Sukuoru> Yup, intel and the model num.
[23:34] <helpme> how much download is a youtube that is in standard quality that goes for a few minutes?
[23:34] <Sukuoru> I always had problems with dells built in intel video
[23:35] <arleslie> Thank you ubuntu for whipping my thumbdrive with out telling me...
[23:35] <Guest99320> What's the linux equivalent of Foobar2k? I would rather not run it in Wine all the time.
[23:36] <MATb> so.......... how do i know what window manager I'm using?
[23:36] <duallez> hai lez girls
[23:36] <adambuntu> arleslie, not to disappoint, ubuntu didnt do it. you did it. ubuntu asked you if you wanted to do it lol
[23:38] <Typos_King> Guest99320:   http://techcityinc.com/2009/04/14/10-best-audio-editors-for-linux/    pick the one you wish
[23:38] <arleslie> adambuntu, I was installing grub using the grub-install, which I've asked multiple times for help and now I finally get it to work by just telling it to install on /dev/sdb and now my filetype is RAW, so no it did not tell me that it was going to render it usless.
[23:38] <sam555> how does one install skype for ubuntu 9.04, I tried sudo apt get
[23:38] <ardchoille> !skype
[23:38] <Nitsuga> arleslie, what?
[23:38] <Typos_King> ... crap
[23:39] <sam555> thanks!
[23:39] <Typos_King> Guest99320:   ... those are editors.... you want a player.... there are quite a few really
[23:39] <adambuntu> arleslie, in grub, your disks should have been laid out in a format that was readable by size. you didnt view what you were writing to prior to doing so?
[23:39] <arleslie> Nitsuga, I was using the grub-install command to install grub on my thumbdrive, and now my filetype is RAW, which has rendered it useless.
[23:39] <Typos_King> Guest99320:     one close to that app will be amarok
[23:39] <Guest99320> I'm trying out Decibel right now. But for now Rhythmbox is fine
[23:39] <DIaVoLuS> Hi
[23:39] <Guest99320> Let me try Amarok brb
[23:40] <arleslie> adambuntu, I have, but grub wouldn't install onto it, so I figured that I might as well try sdb and well it worked, and rendered it useless
[23:40] <jsoft> How do I get rid of the network connections icon bottom right?
[23:40] <jsoft> I set networking up manually...
[23:41] <adambuntu> arleslie, im really sorry that it rendered it useless. ive done a similar thing before, but realized it, and fixed it. i hope it didnt kill any data on it that was of real importance like family pics and stuff
[23:41] <Typos_King> Guest99320:     http://www.smashingdownloads.com/2008/10/19/15-linux-music-players-download-your-favorite/
[23:41] <Nitsuga> arleslie, renered the pendrive useless?
[23:41] <DasEi> jsoft : uninstall network-manager
[23:41] <Nitsuga> you can format it again, but grub-install don't do such a thing
[23:42] <arleslie> Nitsuga, grub-install don't do such a thing, would you like me to show you that it does?
[23:42] <Guest99320> Songbird looks nice
[23:42] <Nitsuga> arleslie, it is supposed to write in the first few blocks of the disk
[23:42] <jsoft> DasEi: hmm.
[23:42] <arleslie> adambuntu, well it killed my report, but luckly EASEUS recovers the entire partition, but do you think you can help me once I fix my pendrive?
[23:43] <Nitsuga> where threr only can be bootloaders
[23:43] <adambuntu> yes, however, i am going to tell you to backup the info onto another drive to be sure it doesnt happen again
[23:43] <arleslie> Nitsuga, which over write the beginning of the filesystem on the pendrive, causing it to render it useless until I reformat it.
[23:44] <Nitsuga> arleslie, ohh i dind't think wat could happen if you don't have a mbr..
[23:44] <MenZa> Is it possible to choose what users should be displayed on the GDM login? I'm installing Ubuntu for a friend, and I'm trying to make a maintenance user in case I ever need to troubleshoot it over ssh or by other means.
[23:44] <Nitsuga> *what
[23:45] <arleslie> adambuntu, will you be on in about 30 minutes, I have to recover the partition
[23:45] <Nitsuga> ohh I hope that it wasn't holding any important stuff...
[23:45] <meganerd> MenZa: this was possible on 9.04
[23:45] <Losha> arleslie: sdb?
[23:45] <MenZa> meganerd: Aye, this is on Karmic
[23:45] <Nitsuga> MenZa, you can add a user with UUID >1000
[23:45] <meganerd> MenZa: just like hiding the userlist was point and click on 9.04, but not 9.10
[23:45] <j_ack> Guest99320: the best equivalent for foobar is on gnome  «gmusicbrowser»
[23:45] <Nitsuga> and it will not show in GDM
[23:45] <MenZa> Nitsuga: excellent, cheers
[23:46] <DasEi> jsoft : hmm ? sudo apt-get remove network-manager-gnome
[23:46] <meganerd> Nitsuga: you mean < 1000
[23:46] <Donfuy> My computer doesn't boot up after one time I suspended. Goes all the way to the login screen and then when I try to log in, computer or goes black with cursor (Failsafe GNOME, terminal available), or loads for some seconds and goes back to the login screen. a -- oh my god what magic is this. I mess around with the terminal and next time it boots up perfectly. Amazing.
[23:46] <adambuntu> arleslie, i may. there are alot more intelligent people on here than me tho when it comes to that im sure. but, i will help if i see you
[23:46] <MenZa> Nitsuga: The UID is 1001 atm, still showing up
[23:46] <Nitsuga> meganerd, yeah, I always confuse it
[23:47] <Nitsuga> MenZa, it is < 1000 :$
[23:47] <MenZa> Nitsuga: Ohh, gotcha.
[23:47] <Nitsuga> meganerd, btw, nice nickname :P
[23:47] <Typos_King> Donfuy:     was there a question?
[23:47] <Donfuy> Yes, there was, Typos_King.
[23:47] <adambuntu> arleslie, what exactly are you doing so i understand it
[23:48] <MenZa> Nitsuga: Got it. Cheers mate :)
[23:48] <Typos_King> hehe, I must have missed it :
[23:48] <arleslie> adambuntu, well I've asked multiple times but no one has offered to help
[23:48] <jolaren> when I add a device in the USB slots I get a list of errors like "usb_kill_urb+0x85/0xc0" and "? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x40"
[23:48] <MenZa> !helpersnack | Nitsuga
[23:48] <Donfuy> My netbook was non-functioning for 2 weeks or something, Typos_King.
[23:48] <jolaren> I really dont know whats wrong
[23:48] <Donfuy> Had the same problem as this guy <Donfuy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1406894&highlight=gnome+power+configuration+fail.
[23:48] <Typos_King> Donfuy:    but now is working, right?  sooooo
[23:48] <Nitsuga> MenZa, thank you! Now I can store information on my web browser :D
[23:48] <MenZa> Nitsuga: Huzzah!
[23:49] <arleslie> adambuntu, I'm trying to install Grub2 onto my pendrive, using grub-install, but I keep getting: "Cannot find a GRUB device for /dev/sdb1"
[23:49] <adambuntu> arleslie, i understand that, but for what? are you trying to install a portable linux distro?
[23:49] <arleslie> adambuntu, I'm going to use it to run multiple livecds
[23:50] <adambuntu> arleslie, ah. so you are going to be able to boot several versions of linux/windows on a portable... i get it
[23:51] <arleslie> adambuntu, yes
[23:53] <adambuntu> arleslie, did u see this? smb://santa-maria/music/Music/Beach%20Boys
[23:53] <adambuntu> smb://santa-maria/music/Music/Beastie%20Boys
[23:53] <adambuntu> smb://santa-maria/music/Music/Beatles
[23:53] <adambuntu> smb://santa-maria/music/Music/Beck
[23:53] <adambuntu> smb://santa-maria/music/Music/Bee%20Gees
[23:53] <FloodBot4> adambuntu: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:53] <adambuntu> smb://santa-maria/music/Music/Black%20Crowes
[23:53] <Losha> arleslie: there appears to be a trick to grub2 on usb e.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7742439
[23:54] <Drakeson> is Evolution able to run in the background?
[23:55] <arleslie> Losha: I've already seen that and thats what gave me, "Cannot find a GRUB device for /dev/sdb1"
[23:56] <adambuntu> arleslie, private?
[23:56] <conn> is there any way to add page numbers in ubuntus document viewer?
[23:56] <conn> for printing PDFs
[23:56] <coiax> Is it possible to implement at the OS level a key replacement, so typing alph would be replaced with alphabet, and cx is replaced with ĉ.
[23:57] <Chewbie> Hello.  Ubuntu 9.10 newbie here!  Just installed 9.10 on my PB G4, just setted defaultos=macosx in yaboot.  My mac's fan is running non stop, not sure what is going on.  What's going on?
[23:58] <adambuntu> Chewbie, probably power management
[23:58] <Primer> Hi,  have a newly installed, fully updated 9.10 system that's issuing so many DHCP requests that the network counters have already rolled over twice since booting not long ago. I had to disabled ipv6 to get rid of these errors: "eth0: IPv6 duplicate address detected!" which was flooding the logs. Thoughts?
[23:59] <Chewbie> thanks adam, i'll check it out!
[23:59] <Primer> nm shows "Auto eth0", which presumably accounts for the DHCP traffic


[05:03] <tsimonq2> doko: Mind if I steal your anthy merge?
[17:17] <andreas> let's say I have an ubuntu native package in the archive: package-2.0
[17:17] <andreas> it has a bug I want to fix, but I can't commit to its upstream
[17:18] <andreas> I'm looking at the version table at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation
[17:18] <andreas> looks like my case is:
[17:18] <andreas> 2.0                           2.0ubuntu0.1
[17:19] <andreas> so it remains a native package in the update? How is the fix applied? I just re-tarball it after applying the fix manually? No patch file in d/patche?
[17:22] <jbicha> andreas: it's helpful if you tell us what package you are wanting to update
[17:23] <andreas> jbicha: ubuntu-advantage-tools
[17:23] <andreas> I need to update it to version 10, and backport some fixes from version 13
[17:23] <andreas> v13 is in bionic-proposed for a couple of days, looks like some big migration is going on and blocking everything
[17:24] <andreas> it being a native package is messing with my head
[17:26] <jbicha> well y'all should use a more sane versioning system, snapd's versioning is very non-standard but it manages to work
[17:27] <andreas> hm?
[17:28] <jbicha> are you going to be sruing to artful at the same time?
[17:29] <andreas> jbicha: yes: t, x, z and aa. As soon as b has v13
[17:30] <jbicha> I suggest version numbers like: <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, etc.
[17:31] <jbicha> or 10+17.10.1 if you don't like that many ...'s
[17:31] <jbicha> the trailing .1 allows someone to easily do a bugfix .2 release
[17:31] <andreas> so it remains a native package?
[17:32] <jbicha> yes, the native package is fine in this case
[17:32] <andreas> how do I apply the fix I want? Essentially making a new tarball, as if there had been a new upstream release?
[17:32] <andreas> I can't just use a new version number, there is no corresponding upstream release with that version
[17:33] <jbicha> I think 'debuild -S' should make the tarball for you?
[17:33] <andreas> it asks when it can't find an orig one
[17:33] <andreas> but I have to apply my fixes directly, not via d/patches right
[17:33] <jbicha> there's so many different possible packaging workflows it's hard for me to give you specific advice
[17:33] <jbicha> yes, you won't use debian/patches/ if it's native
[17:34] <andreas> ok
[17:34] <jbicha> doesn't this work?
[17:34] <jbicha> apt source ubuntu-advantage-tools; cd ubuntu-advantage-tools;
[17:35] <jbicha> (make your changes and update debian/changelog)
[17:35] <jbicha> debuild -S
[17:35] <andreas> it's like I'm creating a new upstream version with my fixes, that's what is confusing me
[17:35] <jbicha> that's how native packaging works
[17:35] <andreas> 2.0                           2.0ubuntu0.1 <-- like this example
[17:35] <andreas> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation
[17:36] <andreas> except I would use the release number in the suffix, because I'll do it for several releases
[17:36] <andreas> so I would have a tarball with version "2.0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>" in the example above
[17:36] <jbicha> the "ubuntu" in the version number is not necessary
[17:37] <jbicha> please don't number the package as "2" if it is really "10"
[17:37] <andreas> I won't, I was just continuing with the example
[17:39] <jbicha> why don't you want to use 13 as your base instead of 10?
[17:39] <andreas> it has other changes and the sru would have to start from scratch
[17:39] <andreas> 10 as is was rejected and particular fixes from 13 were requested, then 10+fixes would be approved
[17:40] <andreas> in particular, v13 runs tests at package build time. That's what was requested for the sru
[17:40] <jbicha> sru already is starting from scratch isn't it?
[17:40] <andreas> no, the sru reviewer said all that was required now was to bring those tests in to v10
[17:40] <andreas> if we bring v13 instead, then there is another change in there that he has to review, that wasn't there before
[17:41] <jbicha> are you sure y'all don't want the 'ua' symlink too?
[17:41] <andreas> we do, and another sru will do that, but right now the pressing feature is fips support
[17:42] <andreas> I also suggested we start over with v13, but it took so long to get an sru team member to look at it that it was feared it would take weeks again
[17:42] <jbicha> but each SRU takes what ~2 weeks? I don't understand why you don't just do both issues at once
[17:42] <jbicha> but I think all these decisions are above my paygrade ;)
[17:43] <andreas> we now have the attention of an sru team member, and he is just waiting for these tests-at-build-time. That was his review point
[17:43] <andreas> but this native package business is ugly
[17:44] <jbicha> the native part itself is fine (with me), the tricky part is that you always need a newer version in newer supported releases
[17:45] <jbicha> so maybe even a 10~17.10.1, 10~17.04.1, etc. would work
[17:46] <jbicha> when sorting Debian version numbers: 10~17.10 < 10 < 10+17.10
[17:46] <andreas> that was my first attempt, when artful/bionic had 10, but now that 13 is in proposed I thought I could stick with 10ubuntu
[17:46] <andreas> I thought I had to signal somehow that it had ubuntu changes
[17:46] <andreas> hence the "ubuntu" word in it
[17:46] <andreas> again, following the security team wiki page
[17:46] <jbicha> that's how the snapd version manages to work although it's odd to have xenial as the focus instead of the dev branch of Ubuntu
[17:47] <jbicha> you don't need to signal that, it's an Ubuntu native package that didn't come from Debian


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[21:39] <JanC> what is the current state of security support on arm64 servers?
[23:53] <amurray> JanC: can you be more specific? all architectures are supported equally in general, so arm64 has just as much security support as amd64