 That works.
[13:41] <ikonia> wow, he really is a known issue
[13:41] <Pici> Yes.
[13:41] <Pici> ikonia: Serial troll. Serial Ban evader. And even some dcc exploit stuff far back in my logs.
[13:42] <ikonia> I've seen him a few times, but only as a "troll"
[13:42] <Pici> ikonia: I just got back to my desk, else I would have backed you up before.
[13:42] <ikonia> ahh no big deal
[13:42] <Pici> I was hoping he would have left on his own.
[13:43] <Pici> Oh. I guess it was probably because of #freenode.
[13:43] <Pici> the k-line I mean.  /me lays off the enter key.
[13:43] <LjL> Pici: sagacious!
[13:43] <ikonia>  oh dear, slating lilo isn't cool
[13:44] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops zewb
[13:49] <ikonia> is mez's client borked ?
[13:50] <Mez> nah, am just playing with it.
[13:50] <ikonia> ahh you are there
[13:50] <Mez> getting my chanopping abilities easy to use ;)
[13:50] <Pici> What client?
[13:50] <Mez> irssi
[13:50] <ikonia> thought it was going on an automatic rampage
[13:50]  * Mez is setting up aliases etc etc
[13:51] <Mez> unless theres a chanserv.py equivalent for irssi?
[13:51] <ikonia> Mez auto_ble ?
[13:51] <Pici> Mez: Theres auto_bleh.pl, but I don't like it.
[13:51] <GazzaK> Mez: autobleh.pl
[13:51] <ikonia> auto_bleg
[13:51] <ikonia> ughh
[13:51] <GazzaK> lol
[13:51] <Mez> !auto_bleh
[13:51] <Pici> Mez: I prefer aliases: http://nullcortex.com/2008/06/23/irssi-aliases-scripts/
[13:52] <Pici> You even commented on that!
[13:52] <Mez> I commented on ?
[13:52] <ikonia> http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/auto_bleh.pl
[13:52] <Pici> nullcortex.com is mine.
[13:52] <Mez> haha, so I did
[13:52] <Mez> orly?
[13:53] <ikonia> Pici: I have some of yours linked in
[13:53] <ikonia> Pici: I quite like osme of your aliases
[13:54] <ikonia> anyone else getting "fignered" from sorf2993
[13:55] <LjL> no, give him the finger
[13:55] <Myrtti> Pici: you should update your aliases
[13:56] <ikonia> Mez: stop trolling me
[13:56] <Myrtti> the correct way is /alias alias /^msg chanserv
[13:56] <Pici> Myrtti: Like which?
[13:56] <Myrtti> that doesn't open up a new query window for handling chanserv
[13:56] <Myrtti> but puts it to status window
[13:56] <Pici> Myrtti: ooh. That would be nice.
[13:56]  * Pici fixes post haste
[13:57] <Myrtti> do you want my aliases again? ;-)
[13:57] <Myrtti> since that one is ripped off from me :-D
[13:57] <Myrtti> (and I ripped it off from ptree if I remember correctly)
[13:57] <Pici> As did I.
[13:58] <Mez> can you do that for autosendcmd too?
[13:58] <Myrtti> Mez: for identifying?
[13:58] <Myrtti> in freenode?
[13:58] <Mez> yeah
[13:58] <Mez> etcetc
[13:58] <Pici> Mez: I use the server password trick on freenode.
[13:59] <Myrtti> Mez: you *do* know that you can identify with using the ns password as the server password, right?
[13:59] <Myrtti> Pici+1
[13:59] <Mez> yes... I forget about that though.
[13:59]  * Mez shrugs
[13:59]  * Myrtti giggles
[13:59]  * Mez looks @ Myrtti's irssi config copy and notices
[13:59] <Mez>     autosendcmd = "/msg nickserv identify WITHHELD";
[13:59] <Myrtti> yes, that's the *old* one
[14:00] <Myrtti> remember?
[14:00]  * Mez doesnt know
[14:00] <Myrtti> I sent that to you like AAAAGGEES ago
[14:00] <Mez> August?
[14:01] <Mez> Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:04:28 +0300 (21:04 BST)
[14:01]  * Mez likes the way OFTC allows identifying :D (ssl certificate)
[14:01] <Myrtti> more that two months ago, and so many things have changed since
[14:01] <Myrtti> s/that/than/
[14:03] <Mez> 2 months isnt aces
[14:04] <Myrtti> well it's so long ago that I've rewrote my aliases
[14:04] <Myrtti> and changed that identifying to be done with the server password
[14:04] <Myrtti> removed half of the scripts loaded by default
[14:05] <Myrtti> etc.
[14:08] <Pici> Myrtti: Do you use something for capab identify on freenode?
[14:09] <GazzaK> it's format_identify
[14:09] <Mez> Pici: I do...
[14:09] <Pici> GazzaK: I know.
[14:09] <GazzaK> Pici: what I mean is, yes I do
[14:10] <Pici> It never works when I put /quote capab identify-msg in my autosendcmd, only if I manually do it sometime after connect.
[14:10] <Myrtti> I've got no idea what you're talking about
[14:11] <Mez> Myrtti: shows you at a glance (usually by a ~) whether a person is identified to Nickserv or not
[14:11] <GazzaK> I get their nicks in green if they are id'd and red if not
[14:12] <Mez> GazzaK: that screws up my highlighting
[14:12] <Myrtti> oh
[14:12] <Pici> I have it set to put a ? in front of nicks who aren't IDed
[14:12] <Myrtti> right
[14:12] <Pici> Well, I was wondering if any of you who use irssi have it and where do you have it set so it does it on connect.
[14:16] <ikonia> @bansearch bahadunn #ubuntu
[14:17] <Mez> Pici: should work if you set it up on autosendcmd
[14:17] <Mez> "/quote CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG
[14:18] <Pici> Mez: I'll try it again then.
[14:19] <Mez> though I don't actually see any way of sending the password for a server in irssi
[14:19] <Mez> Myrtti: feel free to send me a newer copy ;)
[14:20] <Pici> Mez: Just add a password = "yourpass" line to your freenode section of your config file.
[14:20] <Mez> that means I generally have to quit out...
[14:20] <Pici> Why?
[14:20] <Myrtti> no
[14:21] <Pici> add. /reload
[14:21] <ikonia> nalioth: knows how to do that well, he's got it setup for floodbots quite clever
[14:21] <ikonia> maybe worth asking him
[14:21] <Pici> Got what setup?
[14:22] <LjL> ikonia: ... what?
[14:22] <ikonia> the irssi auto ident
[14:22] <ikonia> (sorry thought thats what you where asking about)
[14:22] <Pici> ikonia: The floodbots aren't on irrsi.
[14:23] <Mez> ikonia: floodbots != irssi
[14:23] <Mez> and also, er, to the network bit or the server bit?
[14:23] <Pici> floodbots = php ( and voodoo magic)
[14:23] <ikonia> Mez: no but he'd done it before with some irssi configs,
[14:23] <LjL> the floodbots authenticate both to the server and to nickserv, to be (stupidly) on the safe side. and still manage to authenticate too late at times
[14:23]  * Mez hugs LjL
[14:24] <Mez> LjL: are you actually using torpor for the floodbots anymore?
[14:24] <LjL> Mez, no, nalioth is running them
[14:24] <Mez> LjL: fair enough
[14:25] <Mez> I'll leave the account there for now though (seeing as you did send me the proper SSH key eventually!)
[14:25] <LjL> heh
[14:25] <LjL> the original plan was to have 4 floodbots
[14:25] <LjL> but seeing how people complain enough with 3 when they get noisy, i'm not so sure
[14:25] <Mez> (only after I threatened to remove your account though!)
[14:26] <LjL> Mez: doing things at the last minute is my specialty
[14:26]  * Myrtti rolls eyes, mutters "Italians..."
[14:26] <ikonia> Myrtti they are too busy looking good in leather and drinking fien wine to do work
[14:28] <Mez> hey, I look good in leather ;)
[14:28] <Pici> I dont!
[14:29] <ikonia> Mez: are you italian ?
[14:29] <Mez> ikonia: nope
[14:30] <ikonia> thats why you don'tlook good in leather
[14:30] <LjL> ...
[14:31] <Mez> @btsearch X3N800
[14:31] <Mez> @bansearch X3N800
[14:31] <LjL> Myrtti: yes, i admit my guilt - once upon a time, i thought i was different from the rest of the bunch, but it turns out i'm not, i'm tried to get used to the idea
[14:32] <Myrtti> LjL: to your credit, your not disturbingly Italian.
[14:32] <Myrtti> I hope people can say I'm not disturbingly Finnish.
[14:32] <Myrtti> I doubt they can
[14:32] <LjL> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CIAO A TUTTI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:32] <ikonia> I had no idea ljl was italian until he told me
[14:33] <ikonia> LjL: ahh thats italian
[14:33] <Myrtti> LjL: oh for gods sake
[14:33] <ikonia> belle bele beele
[14:33] <LjL> !list
[14:33] <Mez> /cs kb LjL
[14:33] <bazhang> haha
[14:33] <Myrtti> oh dear god
[14:33] <Pici> LjL: aaaahhh
[14:33] <Myrtti> /mode +c #ubuntu-ops
[14:33] <Myrtti> before he starts to use colours
[14:34] <LjL> Myrtti: u is girl? i want speak whit girl
[14:34] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[14:34] <ikonia> a/s/l
[14:34]  * Myrtti facepalms
[14:34] <Pici> Mez: +Q, why?
[14:34] <ikonia> LjL: your broken english is good
[14:34] <Mez> Pici: "Peace" mode
[14:34] <Myrtti> Peace mode?
[14:34]  * Myrtti looks it up
[14:34] <ikonia> I've never seen +Q
[14:35] <Pici> Mez: users cannot be forwarded to a +Q channel
[14:35] <Myrtti> Users will not be able to be forwarded (see +f above) to a channel with +Q.
[14:35] <Myrtti> that's just WRONG
[14:35] <Pici> Especially here.
[14:35] <Mez> ok, I'm thninking of a different IRCD
[14:36] <elkbuntu> riiiight. why do i have a rash over my whole legs below my knees?
[14:36] <elkbuntu> it itches like all heck
[14:37] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: you're allergic to Italians
[14:37] <Mez> elkbuntu: been walking round through the undergrowth in shorts?
[14:37] <ikonia> elkbuntu ljl's dirty italian has that effect on me too
[14:37] <LjL> to hit a man when he's smoking
[14:37] <elkbuntu> someone please send me some cortisone cream kthx
[14:38] <Myrtti> calamine lotion with added Italian repellant
[14:38] <Myrtti> now with Pink Sparkles
[14:38] <Myrtti> *bling bling*
[14:40] <elkbuntu> Mez, nope. i suspect i've walked past something that my skin doesnt like
[14:40] <elkbuntu> but it's going to make sleep a really interesting task
[14:40]  * Mez hugs elkbuntu
[14:40] <Mez> elkbuntu: calmomine lotion
[14:41] <elkbuntu> especially since there's no pharmacies open, and the closest thing to a lotion i have is aloe gel.
[14:41] <Mez> elkbuntu: dock leaves?
[14:41] <elkbuntu> dock?
[14:41] <LjL> elkbuntu: call my sister, she's always full of all sorts of creams
[14:41] <LjL> she's probably also sleeping though

[14:42] <ikonia> Mez doct leaves ?
[14:42] <elkbuntu> LjL, your sister would be an hour away. it's approaching 1am
[14:42] <LjL> elkbuntu, eh, i know what time it is
[14:43] <elkbuntu> LjL, i'd not do that to someone. i'm positive it's not anything dangerous, as dangerous rashes tend to not itch.
[14:43] <LjL> elkbuntu: without even considering the fact that i've got sydney time on the panel, i can make the sum mentally
[14:43] <Mez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumex
[14:43] <LjL> (which is NOT an easy feat for me! :P)
[14:43] <elkbuntu> hehe
[14:44] <Mez> elkbuntu: roll a glass tumbler over the rash to make sure that it fades when you do though
[14:44] <elkbuntu> i suspect i'll have to go a combination of the aloe and some pre-wax numbing spray that stinks of camphor
[14:44] <elkbuntu> and an antihistamine
[14:44] <elkbuntu> which will help the sleep bit too!
[14:44] <LjL> elkbuntu: besides, i really should try and get her to fix her wireless connection that never worked. but i wake up at her bedtime, and when she wakes up she goes to school or stuff at once
[14:44] <LjL> elkbuntu: sounds like a good plan for all-night rush
[14:45] <LjL> mix everything you have in the house and splash onto your skin
[14:45] <elkbuntu> hehe
[14:45] <Mez> elkbuntu: try rice pudding ;)
[14:45] <elkbuntu> heh
[14:45] <elkbuntu> oh that's interesting...
[14:46] <elkbuntu> http://www.medicinenet.com/diphenhydramine/article.htm
[14:46] <Mez> elkbuntu: though, seriously, glass tumbler for any rash that you dont know what it is
[14:48] <elkbuntu> hrm... it's not really fading much
[14:48] <elkbuntu> but, my skin is really quite hot
[14:48] <Mez> er, if it's not fading... go see a doctor IMMEDIATELY
[14:50] <elkbuntu> it is, but it's not fading much
[14:50] <Mez> elkbuntu: fever?
[14:50] <elkbuntu> not at all
[14:50] <elkbuntu> went for a walk along the harbour this evening, yes.
[14:51] <elkbuntu> springtime and every damned flower in sight is blooming. yes.
[14:51] <elkbuntu> known to get hives. yes.
[14:51]  * Mez hugs
[14:51] <Mez> well, if not fading when glass tumbler is pressed firmly against it, could be septicaemic
[14:53] <Myrtti> see, Italians.
[14:53] <Myrtti> "ciao a tutti"
[14:53]  * Myrtti facepalms
[14:53] <elkbuntu> Mez, it's not looking like septicaemia at all
[14:54] <elkbuntu> it's blotchy itchiness
[14:54] <elkbuntu> and i have had this before
[14:54] <Mez> elkbuntu: then go get some dock leaves ;)
[14:55] <LjL> [15:50:17] <PeterBye> why don't you leave him alone
[14:55] <LjL> [15:50:37] <LjL> excuse me?
[14:55] <LjL> i assume it could only refer to my !enter to idewhatever
[14:55] <Mez> http://linkpot.net/arousal/
[14:55] <Mez> ok, that turned out wrong
[14:56] <Myrtti> you can say that again
[14:56] <Myrtti> and I'd still agree
[14:56] <elkbuntu> i didnt visually catalog every piece of green i walked past
[14:56] <Mez> elkbuntu: no, those leaves are a VERY good remedy for what you have
[14:57] <Myrtti> plaintain leaves are what are used here... or cabbage
[14:57] <Mez> (generally used to treat nettle rashes etc etc)
[14:57] <elkbuntu> ah. well i doubt i'll find any here at the moment
[14:58] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumex
[14:58] <Mez> In Western Europe, dock leaves are a traditional remedy for the sting of nettles, and suitable larger docks (such as broad-leaved dock Rumex obtusifolius or curled dock Rumex crispus) often grow conveniently in similar habitats to common nettle (Urtica dioica)[8].
[14:58] <Mez> not just nettles though, they're great for other rashes etc etc
[14:58] <Myrtti> Mez: see the second paragraph in that page
[14:58] <Myrtti> "growing mainly in the northern hemisphere"
[14:59] <Mez> oops ;)
[14:59] <Myrtti> might be a bit difficult to find :-<
[14:59] <Mez> I didnt know that
[14:59] <elkbuntu> well, plaintain is an agracultural weed
[14:59] <LjL> [15:59:06] <w0ls0n> anyone that talks to PeterBye is just asking for trouble. He just pm'd me and told me to sudo rm -r /
[14:59] <LjL> @mark peterbye
[15:01] <Pici> elkbuntu: psst, you have your halo on in #u
[15:01] <elkbuntu> Pici, i generally dont mind others deoping me
[15:02] <elkbuntu> especially if i'm idle by nickserv standards
[15:02] <Pici> Done, twice it seems.
[15:03] <elkbuntu> i got in 2 secs before you
[15:03] <Mez> halo ?
[15:03] <Pici> Mez: @
[15:03] <elkbuntu> but it's fyi anyone. if i'm not active, deop me. i'll probably have forgotten i was opped, so probably wont even know you deoped
[15:03] <Mez> yeah, I dont see her being deopped anywhere?
[15:04] <elkbuntu> Mez, look harder.
[15:04] <Pici> elkbuntu: noted.
[15:05] <Mez> weird, it shows up in lastlog, bug I cant see it in my screen
[15:05] <Mez> though, amusingness
[15:05] <Mez> 14:07 -!- mode/#ubuntu [-o elkbuntu] by ChanServ, ChanServ
[15:06] <Pici> Probably because I issued the command around the same time as someone else did.
[15:12] <elkbuntu> Pici,  my client sees you deop 2 secs after i
[15:30] <Mez> :( who upset her?
[15:33] <Mez> I think someone needs to add "You got asked for a username and password when you installed" to !password
[16:46] <jdong> 11:44 -!- bluefoxicy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit ["* Bluefoxicy picks up  a book on amateur seduction and reads <Sephiroth> Bullshit Blue,  you've gotta be reading that outta bor]
[16:46] <jdong> someone wanna have a gentle word with him about that when he returns?
[17:09]  * gnomefreak too tired for gentle* today
[17:20] <Pici> @login
[17:53] <genii> "moin"
[17:53] <genii> @login
[18:05] <Pici> sshing to my computer is painful today.  My ISP capped my upload speed to 150kbits.  Download is still 15mbits though.
[18:05] <genii> Pici: Ouch
[18:13] <Pici> How can we help?
[18:13] <Pici> fyi, If I don't respond, my current connection is flaky.
[18:14] <peter771> when connecting from my university halls I get diverted to the ubuntu-proxy channel alerting me that I am using a proxy
[18:14] <Pici> Are you using mibbit?
[18:14] <peter771> the only different thing now is that I'm connecting from home
[18:14] <peter771> and no just x-chat
[18:15] <Pici> Tor?
[18:15] <peter771> nope
[18:16] <Pici> What university?
[18:18] <Pici> LjL: ping.
[18:18] <peter771> its from my private halls, I had no problem before until my friend with his infinite wisdom decided to troll the ubuntu channel
[18:18] <Pici> On your computer?
[18:18] <peter771> his own
[18:19] <Pici> His name is Peter too?
[18:19] <peter771> no
[18:19] <Pici> Because I see here that its coming from the same host and ident that you normally use.
[18:20] <peter771> ?
[18:20] <Pici> Anyway. LjL is the one who set it to forward you to -proxy-users.  I'd like to wait for him to return to continue this.
[18:21] <peter771> ok
[18:32] <peter771> i've gtg
[18:41] <jussi01> hrm, ok, bots not forwarding stuff here, need to check it out...
[18:41] <jussi01> !test
[18:50] <LjL> jussi01: it doesn't if the factoid proposed is too long
[18:50] <LjL> old buggety
[18:51] <LjL> Pici: what was the matter with peter? i don't see him banned
[18:51] <Pici> LjL: See students.aspley.opal.ask4.co.uk
[18:51] <LjL> ah, that
[18:51] <LjL> Pici: yes, i've banned a couple of troublemakers from there
[18:51] <LjL> Pici: forwarded to -proxy-users given the hostname was obviously a NAT
[18:52] <Pici> LjL: I only saw joins from him and one other in my logs.
[18:52] <Pici> And the other had the same ident.
[18:54] <LjL> Pici: look at #kubuntu too, though. there was one or a couple giving dangerous commands
[18:54] <Pici> LjL: Ah, I didnt check there
[18:54] <LjL> (well not really dangerous, since they got the syntax of "dd" wrong, but clearly that was the intention)
[18:54] <LjL> pseudo-random nicknames
[18:55] <Pici> LjL: That was in #ubuntu I thought. as 'cewihfdlv'
[18:55] <LjL> qpftixcp cewihfdlv
[18:55] <LjL> one in #ubuntu one in #kubuntu, i guess
[18:56] <Pici> LjL: Both with the ident of peter?
[18:56] <LjL> Pici: with the nickname of peter, too
[18:56] <LjL> [00:16] ***<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[18:56] <LjL> [00:16] <peter_> HELLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo
[18:56] <LjL> [00:16] <peter_> yes
[18:56] <LjL> [00:16] <peter_> fire away
[18:56] <LjL> [00:16] *** peter_ is now known as cewihfdlv
[18:56] <LjL> [00:17] <cewihfdlv> see what u need to do is issue something along the lines of...
[18:56] <LjL> [00:17] <cewihfdlv> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/
[18:57] <Pici> Yes.
[18:57] <Pici> I saw.
[18:57] <LjL> Pici: i don't know about the ident of the other one, though, because for some reason his join wasn't logged on me
[18:58] <Pici> LjL: But I figured it was more than that because it was a forward to -proxy-users instead of just a ban.
[18:58] <LjL> Pici: no, that was simply because of what the hostname looked like
[18:58] <Pici> Okay then
[18:59] <LjL> @mark peter771
[19:06]  * Pici sighs
[20:04] <Flannel> jussi01: bots are also not forwarding ops calls from -monitor either
[20:27] <DaSkreech> Hi
[20:27] <Pici> !ubuntu
[20:28] <DaSkreech> Pici: People keep asking how to install it
[20:28] <DaSkreech> We probably should have instructions how to do so
[20:29] <DaSkreech> !kde
[20:29] <DaSkreech> Like that ^^^^
[20:29] <LjL> !gnome
[20:29] <LjL> !gnome-#kubuntu
[20:29] <Pici> !ubuntu-kubuntu
[20:29] <Flannel> !ubuntu-desktop
[20:29] <Pici> !ubuntu-#kubuntu
[20:29]  * Flannel likes fishing.
[20:29] <Pici> oops
[20:29] <Flannel> Ah!  there it is.
[20:29] <Pici> !ubuntu-#kubuntu =~ s/ubuntu is//
[20:30] <Pici> Much better.
[20:30] <LjL> !ubuntu-#kubuntu =~ s/Gnome/GNOME/
[20:31] <Pici> s/Linux/GNU\/Linux/ :P
[20:31] <LjL> !no | pici
[20:32] <LjL> gnvis gndu gnvill gndiskutere gnpå Gnorsk, gnvennligst gngå gntill #ubuntu-gnu. Gntakk!
[20:32]  * Flannel votes Pici off the island, and Paul Hummer off of planet.
[20:34] <Pici> I'm tired of the 8.10 people in #ubuntu who think their questions are on-topic because they had the same issue in < 8.04
[20:36] <Flannel> heh
[20:37] <Pici> <= rather
[20:39]  * LjL hands Pici a much of MODE +b *!*@*!#ubuntu+1s
[20:39] <LjL> BUNCH
[20:39] <Pici> I read it as bunch.
[20:39] <LjL> and sorry for shouting but i'm sick and tired of making a stupid typo every sentence
[20:40] <LjL> i hope it isn't early alzheimer
[20:40] <Flannel> nah, its early-onset i-know-what-you-mean
[20:41] <Pici> augh
[20:41] <Flannel> boooooo hisssssss
[20:42] <LjL> gah, hiccup
[20:43]  * Flannel multiplies Pici by 10^-12
[20:44] <Pici> I prefer nano
[20:45]  * DaSkreech writes a femto
[20:48] <Flannel> where are .desktop files? /usr/share/....?
[20:48] <Flannel> oh wait, menu editor
[20:48] <Pici> DaSkreech: Can we help you with anything else?
[20:48]  * Flannel ignores me.
[22:27] <peter771> hey Pici I've got a few mins if LjL is available!
[23:16] <genii> Apparently only a couple minutes
[23:16] <Pici> Not even.
[23:21] <Pici> ppc
[23:21] <Pici> !ppc
[23:22] <DaSkreech> Wonder if #ubuntu-ps3 can be mentioned or if the topic in #ubuntu-powerpc is enough
[23:23] <DaSkreech> Or should there just be a !ps3 ?
[23:23] <mneptok> i think CBE is different enough from PPC to warrant a separate factoid.
[23:24] <DaSkreech> so !cell
[23:24] <DaSkreech> ?
[23:25] <DaSkreech> Though .. I think the cell team is focusing only on PS3 last I checked
[23:25] <Pici> I don't see #ubuntu-ps3 on our wiki's IRC channel page.
[23:26] <DaSkreech> It's there though
[23:26] <DaSkreech> Dunno if they have to bring it to note or something
[23:26] <DaSkreech> I know they changed the name of the chan for it to fit in with the rest of the ubuntu IRC chans
[23:29] <DaSkreech> incoming
[23:29] <Pici> Mac_Taylor: How can we help you?
[23:29] <Mac_Taylor> no i am seeing one thing
[23:29] <Pici> Mac_Taylor: See the /topic then.
[23:30] <Mac_Taylor> oh yeah
[23:30] <Mac_Taylor> Should i stay out of a room that i got banned a couple weeks ago
[23:30] <Pici> Mac_Taylor: Is this regarding an #*buntu* channel?
[23:30] <DaSkreech> No First you should learn your lesson :)
[23:31] <Mac_Taylor> yeah
[23:31] <Pici> Mac_Taylor: Which?
[23:31] <Mac_Taylor> I dont remember
[23:31] <Mac_Taylor> But i am still banned from it
[23:31] <Mac_Taylor> but i am suddenly able to access it
[23:31] <Mac_Taylor> wow nevermind ubuntu was the channel
[23:31] <Pici> Mac_Taylor: What nick were you using?
[23:31] <DaSkreech> Well read the CoC and that should prevent that in future
[23:32] <Mac_Taylor> that i dont remember
[23:32] <Pici> DaSkreech: Do you mind keeping the comments to yourself?
[23:33]  * DaSkreech sits over there --->
[23:33] <nalioth> Mac_Taylor: not only are you evading a kline, but bans, too.
[23:33] <Mac_Taylor> ok
[23:33] <Mac_Taylor> but am i still klined from freenode
[23:35] <Mac_Taylor> and how did you know i am evading bans
[23:35] <Mac_Taylor> accedently
[23:36] <Mac_Taylor> I thought i was unbanned
[23:39] <Mac_Taylor> ?
[23:39] <nalioth> Mac_Taylor: i don't see the point of this conversation. please leave the network.
[23:39] <Mac_Taylor> Ok
[23:39] <Mac_Taylor> How would i know if my old ip got unbanned
[23:43] <Mac_Taylor> WILL EMail that email know?
[23:52] <Mac_Taylor> am i banned from #ubuntu?


[03:42] <c_smith> never was very active, this channel.
[04:36] <blkperl> thats because we have a recruiting problem
[04:40] <c_smith> dang.


[07:58] <mhr3> tsdgeos, where can i find you guys?
[08:17] <tsdgeos> mhr3: we are in
[08:17] <tsdgeos> somewhere
[08:18] <tsdgeos> mhr3: Studio 2 B
[08:18] <tsdgeos> mhr3: at least me, Saviq's laptop is here but he isn't
[08:21] <mhr3> tsdgeos, i'll need to pick your brainz later
[08:21] <tsdgeos> mhr3: sure, drop by whenever you want
[09:17] <Saviq> paulliu, I can test the logout branch for real on desktop
[09:17] <Saviq> paulliu, but also, if unity8 desktop session doesn't work for you, you should try and solve that this week (with Mir folks and/or bregma)
[09:17] <paulliu> Saviq, ok
[09:24] <Saviq> mterry, fixed the i-network build issue
[09:24] <Saviq> mterry, build is running now
[09:31] <mterry> Saviq, thanks
[10:14] <tsdgeos> mhr3: have a sec?
[10:17] <mhr3> tsdgeos, sure
[10:17] <mhr3> 2A
[12:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you have a quick look at bug #1323241 and bug #1323273 if they look like dupes of the one you have a fix for?
[12:36] <mzanetti> Saviq: ack
[12:51] <Saviq> whoa we're getting inline comments in LP!
[12:54] <Saviq> bug #609297 !
[13:12] <Cimi> Saviq, should be better now
[13:12] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/infographics-new-lightdm/+merge/220662
[13:12] <Cimi> who can review?
[13:15] <Cimi> mterry_, what did we need to do with the wizard to get it working with split greeter?
[13:15] <mterry_> Cimi, mostly just some upstart changes.  I have a branch, let me see
[13:16] <mterry_> Cimi, lp:~mterry/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard.wifi.split (has the very simple upstart change plus a bunch of cleanup)
[13:17] <Cimi> mterry_, does it work?
[13:17] <Cimi> mterry_, Saviq told me the wizard.wifi wasn't after latest mir changes
[13:17] <mterry_> Cimi, I'll have to retest, but it was working.  Though now that there isn't a boot animation on the device, there is a "black gap" between closing the wizard and the greeter showing
[13:18] <mterry_> Cimi, it also needs some work because it sets the "has run" file in the greeter's home directory
[13:18] <mterry_> Cimi, but that is not persistent across boots (we can make it so, but we just have to do that)
[13:19] <Cimi> mterry_, let's ask to put everything in a silo
[13:19] <Cimi> then we test
[13:19] <mterry_> Cimi, well the persistence setting is in the lxc-config package, which I don't think is silo'd up
[13:20] <mterry_> Cimi, but making that folder persistent may have some knock-on-effects -- we probably want to make sure that logrotate is being run for the greeter
[13:21] <mterry_> Cimi, but sure, we should get a testing silo anyway
[13:21] <Cimi> mterry_, I usually put a rm /home/phablet/.config/ubuntu.../wizard-has-run in rc.local
[13:21] <Cimi> to help testing
[13:22] <mterry_> Cimi, right.  But I'm saying that the $HOME for the greeter is tossed every boot, so unless we fix that, users will see the wizard every boot
[13:22] <Cimi> ah I see
[13:23] <mterry_> Cimi, but fixing that means we should make sure that logrotate is being used etc
[13:23] <Cimi> mterry_, first thing first though, make sure the wizard runs fine with mir etc
[13:25] <Cimi> mterry_, maybe just a system side setting instead a file
[13:25] <mterry_> Cimi, side setting?
[13:25] <Cimi> since we set the wifi and other settings
[13:25] <Cimi> let's set as well the flag wizard has run
[13:25] <mterry_> Cimi, you mean in AccountsService?
[13:26] <Cimi> mterry_, gsettings or so
[13:26] <mterry_> Cimi, gsettings is stored in $HOME too
[13:26] <mterry_> Cimi, AccountsSettings isn't, but such settings aren't really what it was designed for (not that we couldn't abuse it, but it would be an abuse  :))
[13:26] <Cimi> ok
[13:50] <mterry_> Saviq, all branches in silo 002 are approved, I believe
[13:50] <mterry_> Saviq, only missing piece is the lxc update that will unblock the cgmanager crash fix
[13:50] <mterry_> Saviq, we *could* land without blocking on that.  But about 1 in 40 boots will not work (and about 1 in 20 boots will report a cgmanager crash file)
[13:51] <mterry_> The lack of booting I imagine would screw up all our QA labs
[13:51] <mterry_> As well as be annoying  :)
[14:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1323318
[14:28] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it only happens on phone, right?
[14:28] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: can't get the recent apps category to show up at all with the fake stuff
[14:28] <tsdgeos> no?
[14:28] <mzanetti> nope...
[14:29] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I think that's a bug in the MockApplicationManager tho
[14:29] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:37] <Saviq> rsalveti, would unity8 taking *ages* to start (or at all) in x86 emulator be related to the CPU speed detection?
[14:37] <Saviq> Mirv, hey, you'll be landing the Qt silo soonish will you? should we wait with anything unity8?
[14:38] <rsalveti> Saviq: that's one issue that delays the startup for every app that uses libpgm
[14:38] <rsalveti> because of the benchmark it uses to calculate the cpu mhz
[14:39] <rsalveti> when testing it locally it's quite faster when the cpu mhz are correct
[14:39] <rsalveti> or when the env var is available
[14:39] <Saviq> rsalveti, I wonder then if we should do that even earlier than in unity8 job?
[14:41] <rsalveti> Saviq: I thought about adding it as a generic system env var, which could be part of touch session, but as the unity8 is the first client using that code, that was already enough
[14:41] <rsalveti> I can give it a try and move it to the ubuntu touch session scrip
[14:41] <rsalveti> script
[14:42] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah, so you tell me, I will accept it, but just have a think whether it makes sense to have it earlier?
[14:44] <rsalveti> yup, will give it a try, I thought about this some weeks ago and I had some reason for it to be in unity8, but can't remember right now
[15:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1319907 https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1323318


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[17:00] <dholbach> #startmeeting Community Council meeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 20 17:00:10 2012 UTC.  The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <dholbach> Welcome everyone to the last CC meeting in 2012.
[17:00] <czajkowski> Aloha
[17:00] <Gwaihir> o/
[17:00] <cprofitt> hello
[17:00] <dholbach> Today we are going to catch up with the Forums Council and the Translations team. Do we have somebody from either of the two teams here?
[17:02] <dholbach> I got a reminder email from somebody in the translations team today, so they should be aware. I'll go and see who I can round up. Can somebody reach out to some FC folks?
[17:03] <cprofitt> pinged the forums irc channel
[17:03] <dholbach> thanks cprofitt
[17:03] <czajkowski> cool I was about to try and find folks via https://launchpad.net/~forum-council/+members#active
[17:04]  * dholbach lights the bat^WCC signal
[17:04] <cprofitt> looking at who is on in their irc channel I do not see anyone from the FC
[17:06] <dholbach> hey kelemengabor :)
[17:06] <dholbach> I'd say we start with the Translations team then. :-)
[17:06] <kelemengabor> hi dholbach, all
[17:06] <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Translations team
[17:06] <dholbach> kelemengabor, how are you doing?
[17:07] <dholbach> thanks a lot for making a bit of time
[17:07] <czajkowski> kelemengabor: ello
[17:07] <cprofitt> hello kelemengabor
[17:07] <kelemengabor> well, not much ubuntu-wise, sadly. I was busy with other tasks :(
[17:08] <kelemengabor> btw, isn't dpm the translations team lead? :)
[17:08] <dholbach> We've been doing these catch-ups with various teams in the Ubuntu community for 2 cycles now and at UDS the suggestion to talk with the translations community as well was brought up and I mailed the team after UDS, it seems like this has fallen through the cracks, probably holiday-related, which is understandable
[17:09] <dholbach> kelemengabor, I pinged him, but he might be in a call just now
[17:09] <dholbach> kelemengabor, what was your gut feeling of the last release and how the translations community dealt with it?
[17:10]  * trijntje is on his way home and will read back
[17:11] <kelemengabor> last release... it was a little buggy to my taste (compared to Precise), also we are quite lacking dpm's leadership. without someone pushing things forward, things tend to not move forward...
[17:12] <czajkowski> nods
[17:12] <dholbach> kelemengabor, how do things generally work in the translations team? are there milestones? do teams get notified about missing translations?
[17:13] <dholbach> I must admit that I never dived too deep into translations work, but was always impressed that so many strings get translated every cycle and people sometimes just spontaneously pick things up
[17:13] <Gwaihir> kelemengabor, might be a good opportunity to open up a little bit the ubuntu-translation-coordinators team too, am also part of it, but have less less time lately, new people might help out
[17:14]  * cprofitt nods to Gwaihir
[17:14] <czajkowski> Gwaihir: ah yes I'd like to see that happening also
[17:14] <teolemon> there's been a recent focus on tacking the Software Centre Descriptions
[17:15] <teolemon> aka the DDTP
[17:15] <kelemengabor> no, we don't have milestones. there are things that need to be done at certain times in the release cycle (opening up translations, setting up langpack export&build, cleaning the import queue) but these are not formalized
[17:15] <teolemon> tackling
[17:15] <dholbach> hello teolemon
[17:15] <teolemon> hello dholbach
[17:16] <Gwaihir> teolemon, on that front, is there also coordination with upstream/Debian? they have their own set-up to handle that...
[17:16] <kelemengabor> Gwaihir: sure. but without organization and mentoring, they'd be doomed :)
[17:16] <dholbach> I'm not quite sure I understand it yet, but is the problem you're seeing that these notifications (with specific related tasks) are missing?
[17:17] <teolemon> DDTP on Debian side was down for a couple of months
[17:17] <kelemengabor> dholbach: what do you mean by notifications?
[17:17] <teolemon> and we were told there was some sync with Debian
[17:17] <teolemon> could never check if it was true
[17:17] <Gwaihir> kelemengabor, true, the wiki also needs to be cleaned up a little bit... :-/
[17:17] <kelemengabor> probably we should have a blueprint to keep these in order, but we don't
[17:18] <kelemengabor> have any
[17:18] <dholbach> kelemengabor, the way I imagined things, I thought that all the individual translations teams would need a heads-up about what needs to be translated at which time, etc
[17:18] <teolemon> but we've started using a semi-automated approach using Google Translator Kit and crowdsourcing to tackle the sheer amount of work
[17:18] <kelemengabor> Gwaihir: yes, the wiki needs a lot of love
[17:19] <kelemengabor> dholbach: I see. no, these are team-internal tasks, that need to be done once for all the languages.
[17:19] <kelemengabor> as per notifying teams, we have some announcements, but only a few
[17:20] <kelemengabor> usually, they keep an eye on the statistics page
[17:20] <kelemengabor> that tells everything
[17:20] <kelemengabor> (or should :))
[17:20] <dholbach> ok, that sounds like a good start already :)
[17:20] <teolemon> same here
[17:20] <teolemon> the statistics page was a way to motivate everybody
[17:20] <teolemon> even if it listed upstream packages
[17:21] <dholbach> is there some team internal discussions and exchange between the teams about what works well for them?
[17:21] <teolemon> which led to beginners retranslating upstream
[17:21] <kelemengabor> dholbach: there were, in the precise cycle, bi-weekly calls
[17:21] <teolemon> we're starting to do so, as we discover issues
[17:21] <teolemon> for instance
[17:21] <kelemengabor> not anymore, though
[17:22] <teolemon> we share the same hatred for the infamous launchpad timeout bug :-)
[17:22] <dholbach> would irc meetings maybe work better?
[17:22] <kelemengabor> and those worked well, so it would be good to resurrect those
[17:22] <czajkowski> teolemon: many of those timeout bugs are being fixed
[17:22] <kelemengabor> dholbach: it's not about the medium
[17:22] <teolemon> yes
[17:22] <dholbach> but somebody setting them up?
[17:23] <kelemengabor> exactly. that was dpm.
[17:23] <kelemengabor> also these were UTC meetings, so not open for everyone
[17:23] <dholbach> that's an obvious speciality of the translations world
[17:24] <dholbach> maybe it'd make sense to have rotating times
[17:24] <dholbach> and there I think (especially if you have many people), IRC might work better
[17:24] <kelemengabor> we talked about setting up stuff, making translators life easier...
[17:24] <kelemengabor> https://trello.com/board/translations-team/4f621c87861db54230b9ca39
[17:24] <kelemengabor> like this
[17:25] <teolemon> also, if those meetings could include some person related to Launchpad Translations
[17:25] <dholbach> maybe it'd be worth bringing up the idea of regular meetings on the team mailing list again
[17:25] <teolemon> i think it would help to integrate translations closer into software
[17:26] <dholbach> yes, and invite external people who should be able to help
[17:26] <kelemengabor> teolemon: maybe, but I heard that there is no dedicated LP Translations dev team anymore.
[17:26] <czajkowski> kelemengabor: that is true there isn't
[17:26] <teolemon> :-/
[17:26] <czajkowski> LP doesn't have dedicated teams, it has squads that work on different projects
[17:26] <dholbach> still it should be possible to get a representative every now and then, I guess :)
[17:27] <dholbach> like if there's something pressing
[17:27] <czajkowski> and there is a maintenance squad currently working on critical bugs
[17:28] <Gwaihir> dholbach, possible, but the only people I know that were really working on LP Translations, and are still somewhat around are Danilo and Jeroen
[17:28] <teolemon> I guess translation isn't something that fails in a spectacular way
[17:29] <kelemengabor> dholbach: on the regular meetings: we had some open meetings on IRC a few years ago, like Lucid-time... those were okay too
[17:29] <czajkowski> perhaps like dholbach suggests having regular meetings again may help bring the team together and get more interest in
[17:30] <kelemengabor> teolemon: not yet. but have you heard about the langpack update for Quantal?
[17:30] <kelemengabor> me neither. and this is a problem.
[17:30] <dholbach> well that certainly was insightful to me so far, but maybe we should have another meeting where we discuss things and find out together what we can do, but yes, I agree an internal team meeting to collect some ideas might be a good start
[17:30] <teolemon> nope
[17:31] <kelemengabor> that may escalate quickly... :(
[17:31] <cprofitt> is there a regular blog post from the translations team to planet?
[17:31] <teolemon> i don't know if the point was raised already
[17:31] <czajkowski> can you elaborate on "langpack update for Quantal?
[17:31] <teolemon> but the fact that david was shifted to applications is also scaring me a little bit
[17:32] <kelemengabor> cprofitt: dpm does posts about translations to the planet, but rarely
[17:32] <dholbach> czajkowski, feed updated translations into the stable quantal release
[17:32] <czajkowski> ah thanks dholbach
[17:32] <teolemon> we had some import issues before the release of quantal
[17:33] <cprofitt> kelemengabor: it sounds like the internal meeting is important to identify areas of need... and that a little exposure (planet) could help attract some new folks...
[17:33] <teolemon> and loads of tiny issues that need really good attention and knowledge of the merge process and all that stuff
[17:33] <kelemengabor> czajkowski: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/OneiricOcelot/ReleaseSchedule - we had this for Oneiric, but not for Precise or Quantal
[17:34] <kelemengabor> cprofitt: absolutely
[17:34] <teolemon> indeed
[17:35] <dholbach> to me it looks, like we should have another catch-up with the translations team, maybe after some internal discussion - what do you think? :)
[17:35] <kelemengabor> and we have this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA/LanguagePackUpdateScheduleTemplate
[17:35] <teolemon> listing all the bugs and pain points
[17:35] <kelemengabor> this is a well designed machinery, but it would need an operator
[17:35] <cprofitt> +1 dholbach
[17:35] <czajkowski> ah
[17:35] <teolemon> and ranking them by time lost
[17:35] <dholbach> kelemengabor, or a team of operators :)
[17:36] <czajkowski> so I do know for Precise there was some issues opening up Precise for translations which may have had an affect to the schedule
[17:36] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/211651  this is now waiting for be ack'd as far as I can see for raring
[17:36] <kelemengabor> dholbach: sure. preferably of the kind that does not graduate or marry in a year :)
[17:37] <dholbach> there's always this thing called life around all the Ubuntu stuff :)
[17:37] <czajkowski> heh indeed
[17:38] <dholbach> I'll take an action to mail the translations team again about a new date in 2013
[17:38] <dholbach> we have no word back from the Forums Council, so we might have to reschedule them as well
[17:38] <cprofitt> yes, we should reschedule with them
[17:38] <kelemengabor> czajkowski: yep, that's it. assigned to dpm, but seems he does not have time...
[17:38] <teolemon> there's no intend to replace David's full time as translation coordinator/developper, right ?
[17:38] <czajkowski> kelemengabor: we/me can reassign it to another person to open up the raring translations
[17:39] <czajkowski> but we've not been asked to do so
[17:39] <trijntje> hi, just dropping in, I'd have to agree that we are a bit at a loss without dpm ;)
[17:39] <dholbach> I feel there's always going to be times like this, where you have a transition and you need to figure out what can be done to keep the train rolling.
[17:39] <czajkowski> nods
[17:39] <cprofitt> +1 dholbach
[17:40] <czajkowski> well was it explained what was happening so that a transition could be put in place?
[17:40] <dholbach> but a few of the things which were mentioned earlier could be done by a team of translators as well - like posting on planet for example
[17:40] <czajkowski> nods
[17:40] <dholbach> in fact it'd make things a bit more lively if there's posts from multiple people and teams rather than just one guy
[17:40] <czajkowski> dholbach: +1
[17:41] <dholbach> or organising a meeting
[17:41] <cprofitt> yes, it is good to see multiple people from teams...
[17:41] <dholbach> but I appreciate that losing a dedicated full-time person can be a shock
[17:41] <kelemengabor> czajkowski: can you reassign to the ubuntu-translations-coordinators team?
[17:41] <teolemon> especially on the technical side
[17:42] <teolemon> i'm not a developper
[17:42] <cprofitt> posting on the planet. I think it helps give people perspective and allows people to identify the effort as a true team effort... gives them more people to contact if they are interested too
[17:43] <dholbach> Do you feel that there's anything the CC could do to help? Apart from cloning David? :-)
[17:43] <teolemon> and implementing fuzzy in lp, fixing the timeout, opening raring early, making sure the upstream translations are imported quickly to avoid duplication and stuff like that requires technical mojo
[17:43] <dholbach> it's great we're having this discussion right now as I haven't heard much about the translations community in the last time and feel like I learned a lot
[17:44] <kelemengabor> teolemon: I think Santa is not here right now... :P
[17:44] <teolemon> lol
[17:44] <teolemon> :-)
[17:44] <czajkowski> kelemengabor: I can if that is what is the best thing to do
[17:44] <dholbach> haha
[17:45] <kelemengabor> dholbach: good question. I can't think of anything right now, maybe later. until then, please clone David :).
[17:45]  * cprofitt looks for cloning instructions
[17:45] <czajkowski> teolemon: we;ve down to 170 critical bugs so hopefully they will be done soon in the new year
[17:45] <dholbach> haha, I'll make sure to get into the lab later on
[17:45] <teolemon> also wanted to point this out
[17:45] <teolemon> http://lite.framapad.org/p/ddtpUbuntu
[17:45] <teolemon> we've been starting this
[17:46] <teolemon> because we noticed people value translated descriptions better
[17:46] <dholbach> cool
[17:46] <teolemon> translations add a polished look
[17:47] <teolemon> and increase the perceived value of ubuntu
[17:47] <teolemon> both on the app side
[17:47] <teolemon> as well as on the doc side
[17:47] <teolemon> where normalized doc
[17:47] <teolemon> when translated
[17:47] <trijntje> also on the ddtp front: soon all packages will be sorted based on popcon, so translators can work on the descriptions of the most popular packages first without external tools
[17:47] <teolemon> saves a lot of time and ressources
[17:48] <czajkowski> I've changed the asignee of https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/211651  to ~ubuntu-translations-coordinators
[17:48] <dholbach> Would it be OK for you to maybe have a think as a team and we get back together in the new year to spend some time brainstorming about what can be done and where the priorities should lie? That's at least something the CC could offer in terms of help.
[17:49] <trijntje> that would be nice
[17:49] <dholbach> all right, I'll take an action to mail the translations team and the forums council about a new date
[17:50] <teolemon> kelemengabor, trijntje: http://lite.framapad.org/p/ubuntutranslationscoordination
[17:50] <kelemengabor> dholbach: sure, we can have an IRC meeting to discuss what should/can be done and who is interested
[17:50] <teolemon> let's start right now ;-)
[17:50] <dholbach> kelemengabor, cool - I think that'd help lots - also to get a feel for priorities
[17:50] <dholbach> cprofitt, czajkowski, any more questions from you?
[17:51] <czajkowski> no I think it'll be good to hear from the team post xmas and maybe once thye've had a chance to think about things and how we can help
[17:51] <czajkowski> thanks for coming
[17:51] <dholbach> trijntje, teolemon, kelemengabor: thanks a lot for joining us here
[17:52] <dholbach> #topic Any other business?
[17:52] <trijntje> dholbach: sure, thanks for your time, happy holidays
[17:52] <dholbach> and the same to you :)
[17:52] <cprofitt> thanks to all for coming.
[17:52] <trijntje> (barring the end of the world ofc)
[17:52] <teolemon> thanks a lot
[17:53] <dholbach> I don't have any other business - our Trello looks in shape and there's nothing on the agenda page
[17:53] <dholbach> anyone else?
[17:53] <czajkowski> narp
[17:54] <czajkowski> Have a lovely Christmas folks :)
[17:54] <dholbach> all right, that's it then :)
[17:54] <dholbach> enjoy the holidays, have a great start into 2013
[17:54] <dholbach> and thanks for all the great work you all put into Ubuntu!
[17:54] <dholbach> big hugs!
[17:54] <dholbach> thanks everyone
[17:54] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[17:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 20 17:54:44 2012 UTC.
[17:54] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-20-17.00.moin.txt
[17:54] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-12-20-17.00.html