[17:35] <sdeziel> `grub-efi-amd64` is apparently getting a security fix but apt seems to be phasing its distribution as on some of my machines it is listed as being "kept back"
[17:35] <sdeziel> is this normal for security fixes to have "phasing" applied?
[17:36] <sdeziel> https://termbin.com/du4o => what I ran
[17:41] <sdeziel> hmm, `apt policy` (https://termbin.com/x2s3) doesn't even show this package as being available through http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[18:05] <ahasenack> yo #security, do you recall why in ubuntu we don't share [homes] by default in samba? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/FmkZXNVCqx/
[18:05] <ahasenack> maybe because home was 0755 until recently?
[18:05] <ahasenack> but still, over the network, you would only be able to see the contents of home through samba if you authenticated as the user
[18:06] <ahasenack> that commit was from 2013, for trusty
[18:07] <ahasenack> maybe to avoid clear-text traffic of things like ~/.gnupg, ~/.ssh and such?
[18:08] <ahasenack> back then it was clear text, I'm almost sure
[18:08] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: I can't remember exactly, but I still don't think it's a good idea to enable that by default...especially since it would allow access to home directories with simple passwords?
[18:08] <sdeziel> ahasenack: nowadays those files are denied access by smbd's Apparmor policy
[18:09]  * sdeziel wonders if smbd's AA policy defaults to enable
[18:09] <ahasenack> sdeziel: you mean the samba apaprmor? Sorry, not there by default
[18:09] <sdeziel> ah, sorry then
[18:09] <ahasenack> hint: I'll try to get it in good shape for lunar lobster
[18:10] <ahasenack> mdeslaur: first you would have to create the samba user matching your linux user (smbpasswd -a <user>)
[18:10] <ahasenack> and that password can be anything, yes
[18:10] <mdeslaur> hrm
[18:10] <mdeslaur> I thought we were using something that did that automatically
[18:10] <ahasenack> so uncommenting [homes] won't export it by default
[18:11] <mdeslaur> didn't we have pam integration or something?
[18:11] <ahasenack> I mean, it will be visible, but there will be no set of credentials to access it
[18:11] <ahasenack> there are pam account restrictions that samba should follow, yes
[18:12] <ahasenack> and "unix password sync", and some horrible expect-like "chat" setting, if you use the network RPC calls to change a user's password
[18:12] <ahasenack> but the tdb file with the samba user passwords is born empty
[18:13] <ahasenack> I can try some of those remotely, see if they do anything nowadays, with a default config
[18:13] <sdeziel> ahasenack: I was even more wrong, the smbd profile doesn't even include the `<abstractions/private-files>` I think it did :/
[18:13] <ahasenack> I'll take note of that
[18:13] <ahasenack> oh, there is a lot of stuff in there
[18:15] <mdeslaur> I'd have to trace back to when we did the change and try and find the uds discussion about it
[18:15] <ahasenack> the changelog has no bug number, too bad
[18:16] <ahasenack> it was done by zulcss
[18:16] <ahasenack> (Chuck SHort)
[18:16] <sdeziel> actually, you need the -strict version (`<abstractions/private-files-strict>`) to block `~/.ssh/` and `/.gnupg/`
[18:16] <ahasenack> in 2:4.0.10+dfsg-4ubuntu1
[18:17] <ahasenack> here: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/commit/?h=import/2%254.0.10%2bdfsg-4ubuntu1&id=16a3ec29185c83d7a4d9a5c59cd680f9a406bc8a
[18:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Commit 16a3ec2 in ubuntu/+source/samba "2:4.0.10+dfsg-4ubuntu1 (patches unapplied) import/2%4.0.10+dfsg-4ubuntu1"
[18:19] <mdeslaur> I have a feeling the change is older than that, he just dropped the history there
[18:19]  * mdeslaur looks
[18:21] <mdeslaur> samba (3.0.22-1ubuntu3) dapper; urgency=low
[18:21] <mdeslaur>   * Config file changes only in this upload; no destabilising code changes.
[18:21] <mdeslaur>   * Comment out the default [homes] shares and add more verbose comments to
[18:21] <mdeslaur>     explain what they do and how they work (closes: launchpad.net/27608)
[18:21] <mdeslaur> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/27608
[18:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 27608 in samba (Ubuntu) "Entire home dir is shared within another in samba!" [Medium, Fix Released]
[18:22] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: I think I remember now....gnome directory sharing used samba, so as soon as you right clicked on a directory and shared it, samba would share your home directory without you knowing
[18:23] <mdeslaur> yeah, that's why we disabled that
[18:27] <ahasenack> ah, good find about the older change
[18:27] <ahasenack> that gnome share thing still exists, but it requires you to run "sudo smbpasswd -a <yourname>" nowadays, or last I checked
[18:27] <ahasenack> I think back then in 3.0.x days, samba was using plain text passwords still perhaps?
[18:28] <ahasenack> remember one had to change a registry setting in windows to get it to use plain text passwords and then work with samba?
[18:28] <ahasenack> this would be one way to get it to work without the smbpasswd command, samba could then just check /etc/shadow as any other app (get the clear text password from the user, hash it, compare)
[18:31] <mdeslaur> hrm, I think it would ask you to set a password
[18:31] <mdeslaur> I'd have to try it
[18:31] <mdeslaur> one sec
[18:32] <mdeslaur> I do know upstream gnome switched to clear text webdav at some point, but we kept samba integration
[18:34] <ahasenack> ugh, no attachments to that bug, just links to external sites, links that are dead now of course
[18:35] <ahasenack> ah
[18:35] <ahasenack> the guy shared a directory within his home, and gave the *share* the name of his user
[18:35] <ahasenack> which of course triggers [homes]
[18:36] <mdeslaur> wouldn't sharing any other directory do the same thing, as soon as you set the password?
[18:36] <ahasenack> no, the username is special
[18:36] <ahasenack> if you access //server/<your-linux-user>, it will clone the [homes] share and create a share called [your-linux-user]
[18:37] <ahasenack> but he had a share [your-linux-user] already created, for another directory
[18:37] <ahasenack> via gnome
[18:37] <ahasenack> I don't know if this is undefined behavior (two shares with the same name pointing at different paths)
[18:37] <ahasenack> but it's something I can try
[18:37] <mdeslaur> well, if [homes] is configured, isn't your home directory shared as soon as you create a password?
[18:38] <ahasenack> about the cloning of [homes], I mean samba will create [your-linux-user] with a path of ~your-linux-user (i.e., your-linux-user's $HOME)
[18:41] <mdeslaur> how the heck is gnome creating the share...I can see it but I have no idea where it's telling samba to add it
[18:41] <ahasenack> if [homes] is configured, any access to //server/valid-linux-user will create [valid-linux-user] with the settings from [homes]. If [homes] requires a password, then you will need a password. The extra nice setting to have is "valid users = %S", so the only valid user for that share will be the actual home owner
[18:41] <ahasenack> gnome is using a dynamic share mechanism, just a sec, I even fixed a bug in that for jammy or kinetic
[18:42] <ahasenack> "usershare" is its name
[18:42] <ahasenack> there is a sambashare unix group
[18:43] <ahasenack> search for "USERSHARES" in man smb.conf
[18:46] <mdeslaur> ah, it's in /var/lib/samba/usershares huh
[18:51] <ahasenack_> it's nautilus-share: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-share/+bug/1967245
[18:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 1967245 in nautilus-share (Ubuntu) "'net usershare' returned error 255 on jammy-desktop-amd64" [High, Fix Released]
[18:51] <mdeslaur> ah yes, that's it
[18:57] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: perhaps we can talk about this next week at the sprint
[18:58] <ahasenack> I won't be there I'm afraid (phisically), but I'll attend remotely, time shifting
[18:58] <mdeslaur> ah, I see
[18:58] <ahasenack> I'm revisiting this because it's one delta we have with debian
[18:59] <mdeslaur> I'd like amurray to chime in on this...I still think it's odd to share everyone's directories by default, it's kind of unexpected
[19:00] <ahasenack> it's a valid point
[19:20] <ahasenack> well, the good news is that nautilus-share (well, the "net usershare" command from samba, which creates these shares) does not allow you to create a share that matches a local user
[19:20] <ahasenack> """'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare add: share name debian is already a valid system user name"""
[19:21] <ahasenack> I have a local debian user, and opted to share my ~/Videos directory, but gave the share the name "debian"
[19:21] <ahasenack> and I don't even have [homes] enabled
[19:21] <ahasenack> so maybe the concerns of that original bug are gone, but it's still a valid point of discussion, if we should share [homes] by default or not
[19:22] <ahasenack> for now, I'll keep it as is, of course (not sharing)
[19:22] <ahasenack> it's a small delta with debian anyway
[19:28] <ahasenack> this usershare thing is wonky


[01:25] <santa_> gpul's server is up again, doing test rebuilds
[01:25] <santa_> oops, wrong chan
[01:26] <tsimonq2> santa_: o/ :)
[01:44] <santa_> hi
[02:51] <tsimonq2> Could I get eyes on this please? https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-seeds/add-nm-to-lubuntu-next/+merge/325440
[02:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kmail-account-wizard [source] (artful-proposed) [4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[03:42] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Just out of curiosity, are you just reviewing the MP or do you plan on merging it? :)
[03:44] <cyphermox> mostly just reviewing, partly because it's a lubuntu thing someone from lubuntu should be able to merge, and partly because I'm trying to keep my time on the computer to a minimum since packing for a trip :)
[03:44] <slangasek> clivejo, valorie: korganizer also has a wrong override of permissions on /etc/xdg/autostart/org.kde.korgac.desktop
[03:44] <cyphermox> (I did tell someone I would review another patch)
[03:44] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: I don't have access to merge to the Lubuntu seed :P
[03:45] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: ok, I can merge it then
[03:45] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Ok, thanks
[03:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted korganizer [source] (artful-proposed) [4:16.12.3-0ubuntu1]
[03:47] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: otoh, there are other ways you could make things the image not take five minutes to boot, but nothing that really means you'd have some way to control it via UI
[03:48] <cyphermox> I suspect that 5 minutes timeout is not /just/ missing NM, even if installing NM fixes it.
[03:48] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Well this is the simplest solution, given that we need a network manager anyways.
[03:48] <cyphermox> yes, that I agree.
[03:48] <infinity> Is https://cgit.kde.org/networkmanager-qt.git/ really not packaged?
[03:48] <tsimonq2> Well, it's just waiting for networking. What other deps could it needs besides a... well... network manager?
[03:48] <tsimonq2> infinity: That's just a library afaict.
[03:48] <infinity> Oh, quite likely.
[03:49] <infinity> But does nothing use it, then? :P
[03:49] <infinity> libkf5networkmanagerqt6 exists, that's comforting.
[03:49] <tsimonq2> infinity: We have one project that has very experimental usage of it, but the Debian guy wants to wait until it actually serves a purpose before packaging it. :P
[03:49] <infinity> plasma-nm
[03:50] <tsimonq2> Sure, but that pulls in a lot of Plasma, afaicr.
[03:50] <infinity> tsimonq2: Just curious if, say, plasma-nm would bring in fewer scary deps for you than network-manager-gnome, but maybe it's just a tradeoff of one mess for another.
[03:50] <tsimonq2> Either way, this is the easiest solution until I do a cleanout of the GTK libraries.
[03:50] <infinity> (I would assume the goal of a Qt-based lubuntu is to not pull in GTK)
[03:51] <tsimonq2> I need to reorganize lubuntu-default-settings because right now, the Qt-based Lubuntu pulls in all of LXDE with it...
[03:51] <infinity> Heh.
[03:51] <tsimonq2> I'm not joking.
[03:51] <tsimonq2> :P
[03:51] <cyphermox> infinity: oh, that said, there was some indicator that might work that interfaces with NM but isn't GTK
[03:51] <infinity> Didn't think you were.
[03:51] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: indicator-network might work, but YMMV
[03:52] <infinity> If they have an indicator renderer, yes.
[03:52] <cyphermox> yes
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Well this is just the easiest solution at the moment, and I'll do a bit more careful evaluation in the future when we're deciding on final applications.
[03:52] <infinity> THough isn't that the one that kinda sucks on non-touch devices, because it was designed by people who never tried it with a mouse? :P
[03:52] <cyphermox> it's a more or less "standardized" protocol though
[03:52] <cyphermox> no, it was meant to also work with a mouse
[03:52] <tsimonq2> And this is just a "well, we're pulling in all of GTK right now, soooo"
[03:53] <infinity> cyphermox: Yeah, meant to, but if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's kinda desktop-unfriendly, despite the attempt.
[03:53] <cyphermox> (but maybe it got rewritten enough times that this is no longer true)
[03:53]  * infinity shrugs.
[03:53] <cyphermox> *shrugs*
[03:53]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[03:53]  * infinity shimmies to the left.
[03:53]  * tsimonq2 shimmies to the right.
[03:54] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:54] <tsimonq2> Anyways... I'd like to get this merged and at least do a smoke test tonight ;)
[03:54] <cyphermox> yep, merging right now
[03:55] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: gracias
[03:55] <tsimonq2> My next task will be making the "Qt" slideshow less hardcoded.
[03:55] <tsimonq2> Because it's hardcoded *everywhere* with Kubuntu logos and Breeze themes, etc. etc.
[03:56] <tsimonq2> It's actually a little bit humorous to install the Lubuntu Next image right now because of the mismatch :P
[03:58] <cyphermox> you mean ubiquity
[03:59] <tsimonq2> Ah yes.
[03:59] <tsimonq2> Yeah, that. :)
[04:19] <cyphermox> ddstreet: isc-dhcp reviewed; I think you should instead try to relax that link-local address check.
[04:19] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: I suppose you need to have lubuntu-meta updated too.
[04:21] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Please :)
[04:21] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Although it shouldn't need it for the ISO as one of the steps runs germinate, right?
[04:28] <cyphermox> it does end up on the livefs.
[04:31] <cyphermox> but indeed, only the task is critical to getting the livefs to include n-m and n-m-gnome.
[04:31] <tsimonq2> ic :)
[04:32]  * tsimonq2 will probably apply for MOTU once Stretch is released...
[04:43] <cyphermox> there, lubuntu-meta is uploaded too
[04:45] <tsimonq2> \o/
[04:45] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Thanks :)
[05:58] <ginggs> anyone around to update 'force-badtest r-bioc-annotationhub/2.8.1-1' please? older versions are in adconrad hints
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (zesty-backports/universe) [141-2~ubuntu17.04.1 => 142-1~ubuntu17.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (yakkety-backports/universe) [141-2~ubuntu16.10.1 => 142-1~ubuntu16.10.1] (no packageset)
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (zesty-backports) [142-1~ubuntu17.04.1]
[11:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (yakkety-backports) [142-1~ubuntu16.10.1]
[11:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cockpit (xenial-backports/universe) [141-2~ubuntu16.04.1 => 142-1~ubuntu16.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cockpit [source] (xenial-backports) [142-1~ubuntu16.04.1]
 clivejo, valorie: korganizer also has a wrong override of permissions on /etc/xdg/autostart/org.kde.korgac.desktop
[11:47] <clivejo> Fair enough, but we don't have a MOTU on our team to do an upload and with it stuck in the NEW queue we can get it added to our package set to upload it ourselves
[11:47] <clivejo> how do we move forward?
[11:49] <clivejo> all the time we are wasting valuable time that could be used for our users to test these packages and find bugs
[11:53] <clivejo> I now fear the hardest contributor on our team is getting burnt out from constantly having to nag here to get things done, it is soul destroying :(
[12:07]  * clivejo bites tongue and leaves before says something he regrets
[20:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: skiboot (yakkety-proposed/universe) [5.3.3-1 => 5.3.3-1ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)


[07:38] <zeta> Does ubuntu server need as much swap as there are ram ? (it is the default!) Thinking of resizing the swap from 32 GB  (on a 40 GB SSD) because I'm running out of disk space on root
[07:39] <sarnold> zeta: 1 or 2 gigs would be best
[07:40] <sarnold> if you need more swap than that then there's something wrong with the amount of hardware you're using for the job :)
[07:43] <JanC> or just use swap files instead
[07:44] <sarnold> also fine choice
[07:44] <sarnold> the defaults are terrible though, no two ways around that
[07:45] <JanC> the defaults are so that you can suspend, I guess, but that's probably less useful for most servers...
[07:47] <zeta> wanted to double check because of the default
[07:48] <zeta> there might be use cases for hibernation, but I'm not using it
[09:57] <skylite> if I do file -i mytextfile I get charset=iso-8859-1 but inside the file the characters are UTF-8 encoded. How is that possible?
[10:15] <nea1> hi, I have a Cloud Image based server, where I configured a bridge (br-mgmt) and after rebooting I haven't found a single error in the logs, but br-mgmt is down - `systemctl restart networking` solves the Problem, anyone with an idea what could be wrong?
[11:07] <frickler> coreycb: jamespage: could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/murano/+bug/1659270 please? zigo has fixed it upstream, should only need a sync
[11:44] <xnox> cpaelzer, whoop whoop =) new qemu
[11:56] <cpaelzer> yep xnox
[11:56] <cpaelzer> it was actually good for 2 weeks, but one of the dependent dep8 failed due to OOM
[11:56] <cpaelzer> thanks to apw this got a test on a bigger machine and migrated now
[11:57] <cpaelzer> apw: btw - is there any flag that coreycb / zul could add to d/t/* mark this test to need more ressources ?
[11:58] <apw> cpaelzer, nope, this is a per package hint server side
[12:00] <cpaelzer> apw: is the hint you added persistent now ?
[12:04] <apw> cpaelzer, yes
[12:06] <zul> frickler:its been fixed in zesty
[12:26] <frickler> zul: looks like it at least would need another sync into ocata UCA, then. getting a fix for Newton, which we are currently deploying, would be even better
[12:27] <zul> frickler: yeah i might add it to the next SRU cycle thats probably going to happen this week
[12:45] <coreycb> cpaelzer, apw: thanks for the hint update
[13:22] <BlackDex> hello, i'm trying to fix my own ipv6 router/tunnel/gateway
[13:23] <BlackDex> i have a server which has an ipv6 subnet
[13:24] <BlackDex> on that server i created a inet tunnel mode sit
[13:24] <BlackDex> i created a v4tunnel on the client side
[13:24] <BlackDex> that all seems to go well
[13:24] <BlackDex> i can connect
[13:25] <BlackDex> i can even ping a local ipv6 on the server and get response
[13:25] <BlackDex> but if i want to ping to google on ipv6 for instance it stops
[13:25] <BlackDex> i allowed forwarding in the v6 iptables, if i add logging i see the request is getting there
[13:26] <BlackDex> also tcpdump shows this
[13:26] <BlackDex> but it is not passing the request, like it is not routering it or something
[13:26] <BlackDex> i also have enabled the net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding
[13:26] <BlackDex> so what am i missing?
[13:44] <cpaelzer> rbasak: can your permissions clean the non Ubuntu AppArmor, libvirt, and systemd tasks from bug 1594902 ?
[13:47] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I can set the upstream AppArmor task to Invalid. But I can't do anything with the other two.
[13:47] <rbasak> cpaelzer: a workaround might be to change the project for those tasks to Ubuntu. Then you might be able to delete them :-)
[13:49] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that was evil but it worked
[13:50] <cpaelzer> the log on this bug looks messy now
[13:52] <cpaelzer> it all quickly was qemus fault, but then not :-)
[14:50] <BrianBlaze420> good morning
[14:50] <BrianBlaze420> I am curious if there is a "fully updated" iso of older versions of ubuntu server
[14:50] <BrianBlaze420> I am looking for ubuntu 8 LTS updated as much as it could be and am curious if such things exist?
[14:55] <BrianBlaze420> upon further looking up it seems that Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS is the final version :)
[14:58] <Pici> BrianBlaze420: it is, also 8.04 went fully EOL in 2013.
[14:59] <BrianBlaze420> yeah I am aware just trying to update a server it 8 LTS so I need to make sure I can test :)
[14:59] <BrianBlaze420> it is 8 LTS*
[15:00] <jamespage> coreycb, where are we with ocata b3/rc's?  I'd like to flush things through before we to much closer to release daty
[15:02] <Ussat> I would not update from something that old
[15:02] <Ussat> I would clean install
[15:02] <cpaelzer> coreycb: FYI for bug 1641532 the Xenial and Yakkety fixes are now in the unapproved queue for SRU
[15:02] <cpaelzer> coreycb: just FYI so you can coordinate UCA release of the change
[15:03] <coreycb> jamespage, they're not completely tested, but i agree
[15:03] <OerHeks> BrianBlaze420, there is no fully updated server iso, you * could *  do the old-releases trick, just for testing
[15:04] <jamespage> coreycb, I'm sure mwhahaha would rather have visibility sooner than later
[15:04] <coreycb> jamespage, let me put some focus on that and come back to the charm stuff
[15:04] <OerHeks> BrianBlaze420,  see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades .. but i guess you waste your time
[15:04]  * jamespage looks at the reports
[15:04] <BrianBlaze420> yeah I know what I said didn't make sense but I could only find the original iso and not the later realeaes of it
[15:05] <BrianBlaze420> I found the last release and will work with that :)
[15:05] <BrianBlaze420> the idea is to update to the latest LTS :)
[15:05] <jamespage> coreycb, lest at least push to -proposed
[15:06] <OerHeks> BrianBlaze420, 8.04 > 10.04 > 12.04 > 14.04 > 16.04 ...
[15:06] <drab> BrianBlaze420: I've tried things like that before and only had trouble, like a lot of it, to the point that I don't do it anymore, I just look for ways to reinstall, swap something in or whatnot
[15:07] <BrianBlaze420> I am stubborn and so will try myself and see where it leads me. I appreciate the input :)
[15:07] <drab> sure thing, np
[15:07] <OerHeks> BrianBlaze420, have fun :-D
[15:12] <coreycb> cpaelzer, ok sounds good. mind pinging me when they're in proposed and then i'll get the patch into liberty-proposed?
[15:13] <cpaelzer> coreycb: you should be subscribed to the bug, but I'm fine pinging
[15:13] <cpaelzer> coreycb: I'll run my full test matrix anyway then
[15:13] <coreycb> cpaelzer, yeah i think i am
[15:13] <cpaelzer> hope for good SRU review on that - it is complex enough to drive anybody mad
[15:28] <zul> coreycb: so manila barfs with sqlite because its trying to rename a colum, fyi
[15:29] <coreycb> zul, is that an upstream bug?
[15:29] <zul> coreycb: yeah
[15:29] <coreycb> zul, ok got a bug #?
[15:29] <zul> coreycb: i switched the dep8 test  to use mysql
[15:29] <zul> coreycb:not yet
[15:30] <coreycb> zul, ok
[15:31] <zul> coreycb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1664279
[16:05] <drab> another problem I'm getting with preseeding is if I'm trying to reinstall a box that had disks with raid on it
[16:05] <drab> it seems like mdadm will detect the raid and set the device up, at which point the installation fails because "resource is busy"
[16:06] <drab> I have to get onto another console, dd the MBR/kill the raid, and then reboot/re pxe and it works
[16:07] <drab> googling around it seems people have had a similar problem and are basically doing the same with a d-i early command, but that seems kinda nasty...
[16:07] <drab> does anybody know fo a better solution?
[16:08] <drab> this is basically a similar problem to the one I was asking the other day with the installer failing because there was no "root" partition defined, which is just a symtpom of not wiping the disk and repartition but trying to reuse what's there
[16:09] <patdk-wk> you can reuse what is there
[16:09] <patdk-wk> but you still have to label to the installer what partition is should be installed with what
[16:10] <patdk-wk> assign root, boot, swap, maybe home, var, usr, ...
[16:15] <drab> patdk-wk: that's the thing, I don't want, these disks were from another system. And in pretty much all the cases I have I don't care about reusing
[16:15] <drab> quite the opposite, I wish there was just a "nuke" option
[16:15] <drab> that stopped asking so many questions and just simply wiped and reinstalled everything completely disregarding what's there
[16:15] <patdk-wk> there is
[16:15] <drab> I knwo what you're talking about, doesn't work for me it seems, maybe I'm doing something wrong
[16:16] <drab> I think I know*
[16:17] <drab> d-i partman/confirm , partman/confirm_nooverwrite
[16:17] <drab> is that what you had in mind?
[16:19] <drab> also to make matters worse with preseeding it seems the ubiquity installer doesn't honor a whole bunch :(, but I guess that's not a ubuntu-server problem
[16:37] <zul> rbasak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aodh/+bug/1645772
[17:44] <zul> coreycb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1664306
[18:39] <teward> powersj: ohai
[18:39] <powersj> teward: hi
[18:40] <teward> powersj: thanks again for your triage work on NGINX bugs, but when the error is 'nginx.conf missing' it's able to be considered Invalid, because that's not a package issue, usually a system-specific issue but not a bug and easy to work around
[18:41] <powersj> teward: ah that makes sense. Sorry I have a habit of moving to incomplete to let the user try to fix that and get back to us.
[18:41] <teward> powersj: no problem :)
[18:41] <powersj> Did you already fix that up?
[18:42] <teward> powersj: there's also a few other cases as well to point out
[18:42] <teward> "address in use" as "cannot bind to :80" is also an Invalid
[18:42] <teward> and I think a few others that *should* already be caught by the apport hooks I wrote
[18:42] <teward> probably gonna have to update them after the merge
[18:42] <teward> powersj: and yep I did
[18:42] <teward> and provided the workaround
[18:42] <powersj> ok, thanks for that list I'll add those to my notes
[18:43] <teward> powersj: no problem, hope you don't mind me poking
[18:43] <teward> :)
[18:43] <powersj> teward: please do :) appreciate it
[18:43] <teward> I should probably document NGINX-specific bug triage things on the wiki
[18:43] <teward> 'cause there's a few cases that are known to show up occasionally but aren't package issues
[18:43] <teward> (and especially show up on VPSes built from a premade KVM or OVZ image)
[18:44] <teward> powersj: far be it for me to tell the Canonical Server Team what to do, but... :P
[18:44] <powersj> haha
[18:44] <teward> i do appreciate the triage work though, it helps me quickly weed out the evil ones
[18:44] <teward> and then focus on actual bugs
[18:44] <teward> current focus: nginx merge from Debian
[18:45] <teward> now that the several hours of evil PIE-failure debugging is fixed heh
[18:45] <teward> but first, my midterm studying needs done.
[18:45] <powersj> :) good luck
[18:46] <teward> meh not really that hard
[18:46] <teward> just have to 'start over' like we did for 14.04 and build the delta from scratch again
[18:46] <teward> given the radical changes to the packaging it's easier to rebuild than merge
[18:46] <teward> the core issue was the fPIE/fPIC compile evils, but now that that's been fixed in Debian, yay less delta for me :P
[18:47] <teward> (but never an issue except for the merge heh)
[18:47] <teward> as for the midterm, blah
[18:47] <teward> it's art history, as long as I get a B I will be happy
[18:49] <sarnold> ruebens liked fat people, bosch was insane. lapis lazuli. and, uh, caravaggio
[18:49] <sarnold> how'd I do?
[18:49] <teward> *throws an Ubuntu 17.04 USB stick at sarnold*
[18:50] <teward> sarnold: of relevance, pending SRU, because HTTP/2 stuff/fixes, just so you're aware. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1663937
[18:53] <sarnold> teward: nice
[19:06] <teward> and i'm still working on the merge.
[19:06] <teward> after my midterm :p
[19:29] <nacc> jgrimm: i think my blueprint stuff is all in -proposed or -release now, fyi -- just working on getting it into -release as appropriate
[19:30] <jgrimm> nacc, nice! indeed the bp is quite green for the most part excepting for testcase failures (that are not related to the specific upload)
[19:31] <nacc> jgrimm: yep
[19:57] <coreycb> jamespage, ocata-staging is ready to promote
[19:57] <coreycb> jamespage, one more charm update needed for cinder
[20:37] <teward> server team members: is there anywhere specific I can drop a Wiki page with certain special-cases for nginx triage that diverge from standard triage procedures?
[20:37] <teward> nginx bug triage*
[20:37] <teward> I know i told powersj here direct those two special cases, but...
[20:37] <nacc> teward: probably worth doing somewhere under the ServerTeam pages, but don't konw specifically where
[20:37] <nacc> jgrimm: powersj: --^
[20:38] <dgarstang> I'm booting an Ubuntu AMI with 2 x 2Tb disks. Looks like cloud-init only formats them to 1Tb???
[20:38] <powersj> hm so I do have a page that I keep for my use of responses and tips
[20:39] <powersj> teward: I added your notes to it, but gotta remember to look at it :P https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingServer
[20:39] <powersj> ideally we update the apport stuff to auto invalidate those
[20:42] <jgrimm> nacc, powersj, teward: additionally feel free to add a nginx as a "Project of Interest" with its own page if you feel that's useful too.
[20:43] <nacc> jgrimm: good point!
[20:43] <jgrimm> its pretty free form as long as we don't go crazy with clutter / desire to keep updated & relevant
[20:49] <teward> jgrimm: where would i put that?  just under the Server Team?  Until we get a buttload of NGINX issues that deserve a whole page, I think shoving it into DebuggingServer will work.  So I'll go poke there.  Probably deserves its own page somewhere in the triage guide, or a link to that page heh
[20:50] <jgrimm> teward, off the main Ubuntu Server page there is a section for "Packages of Interest" to link their own pages.  Just offering that up if there's enough useful info to put in its own page.
[20:50] <jgrimm> I'm fine with DebuggingServer
[20:51] <nacc> teward: and you can do a link with ancchro on the triage page, myabe?
[20:51] <dgarstang> I'm booting an Ubuntu AMI with 2 x 2Tb disks. Looks like cloud-init only formats them to 1Tb???
[20:54] <powersj> fwiw I like the separate page idea as well + a link
[20:56] <teward> jgrimm: I will probably write a page, at some point.
[20:56] <teward> nacc: I'm not awake, ancchro?
[20:56] <jgrimm> teward, sounds good
[20:56] <teward> s/awake/fully awake/
[20:56] <teward> powersj: i tweaked said page a little, added log excerpts as examples of such cases.
[20:57] <powersj> teward: ok thx
[20:57] <teward> There's another case I know that is also Invalid, but I forget what it is at the moment
[20:57] <teward> I think it's "Please add foobarbaz to nginx" where foobarbaz is any given third party module
[20:57] <nacc> teward: typos! anchors :)
[20:59] <teward> yay wiki lag >.<
[21:08] <teward> powersj: even better, now, canned comments to use for those two cases.  :p
[21:08] <powersj> teward: oh see now you are marking me really happy :)
[21:08] <teward> at some point this is going to become infinitely long, so I'll have to move it to its own 'Package of Interest' page heh
[21:08] <powersj> keeping that my cut-and-paste page :)
[21:09] <teward> powersj: i give two separate canned comments, depending on which case we see, feel free to adjust as you wish (same for all other Server Team people).
[21:09] <teward> but it will at least indicate of course the status to set, why we set it, and how someone should respond if they still think it's a bug.
[21:09] <teward> And since i'm subbed to ***every*** nginx bug for all notices, even if the bugs are closed as INvalid or such, I'll see the alerts xD
[21:09] <teward> even if the rest of the Server Team doesn't :)
[21:10] <teward> ooo I see LXC is on the POI page...
[21:11] <teward> I got tired of having to manually adjust all my LXC containers, I wrote a fairly in depth Python script that can create a container *and* modify the container, sort of 'bootstrapping the container to specified needs' at the time of creation.
[21:11] <teward> it's on github now xD
[21:11] <teward> in case, you know, anyone is interested :P
[21:11] <teward> (it's not LXD, but that's because dnsmasq wouldn't behave with LXD on my system oh well)
[21:42] <jamespage> coreycb, ok promoting to -proposed now
[21:43] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks
[21:59] <dgarstang> I'm booting an Ubuntu EC2 instance with 2x2TB disks attached. They are mounted as 1Tb disks instead. I think cloud-init is doing this. Is this a known bug in cloud-init?
[21:59] <powersj> dgarstang: you could ask in #cloud-init, but I don't think so. They probably will want to see your cloud-config if you are doing any customizing
[22:00] <dgarstang> powersj: Zero customization
[22:01] <dgarstang> I don't think it's a filesystem issue. Fdisk reports the disks as 2Tb each
[22:11] <dgarstang> I have an instance with 2 x 2Tb disks. When I run "mount -t ext4 /dev/xvdj" I get a 1Tb volume. Why?
[22:19] <nacc> dgarstang: look at how they are partitioned? what format, etc.
[22:59] <teward> jgrimm: what should go in the "Packages of Interest" page, if I decide to make one?
[23:00] <jgrimm> teward, its really free form, if you feel important items to know about nginx in ubuntu
[23:02] <teward> cool.  It will contain a brief blurb about what it is, maintaining it, what to not ask about, and a small guide to the versions in the Repositories.  Since they're all different right now :P
[23:06] <jgrimm> teward, sounds good. thank you!
[23:08] <teward> jgrimm: I made a note on the whiteboard for the server work blueprint
[23:08] <teward> namely about http/2 readiness/stability in Apache, because IIRC the Security team NACK'd it
[23:08] <teward> not sure if that's changed
[23:08] <mwhahaha> jamespage, coreycb: did you guys propose m3 or rc1?  there's a bunch of stuff that got broken/fixed for nova between m3 and rc1
[23:09] <teward> (it's why NGINX has HTTP/2 but not Apache currently)
[23:09] <jgrimm> teward, I saw that (and yes I was aware), nacc just wanted a reminder to look at it again in the future
[23:09] <teward> OK
[23:09] <teward> still leaving my comment if there's no objection :)
[23:09] <jgrimm> no objection at all! :)
[23:09] <teward> cool.  :)
[23:11] <coreycb> mwhahaha, rc1 was promoted to -proposed a few hours agao so may still be in progress
[23:11] <mwhahaha> coreycb: http://logs.openstack.org/66/433266/1/check/gate-puppet-openstack-integration-4-scenario002-tempest-ubuntu-xenial/e043e14/console.html#_2017-02-13_21_16_13_600854 so you're missing the create_cell command
[23:12] <mwhahaha> which i thought was in rc1
[23:12] <mwhahaha> maybe we don't have it yet in that test run
[23:12] <mwhahaha> ah nm still b2, 2:15.0.0~b2-0ubuntu4~cloud0. i'll check on it tomorrow
[23:13] <coreycb> mwhahaha, ok cool, create_cell will be in rc1.  i've been using it the past week while testing staging.


[01:30] <jono> kenvandine, around?
[01:46] <kenvandine> hey jono
[01:57] <jono> kenvandine, hey, I don't suppose you could get those gwibber bullet points to me?
[01:58] <kenvandine> yeah... i can do the bullets... i got consumed with fixing GIR generation and doc generation...
[01:58] <kenvandine> jono, i'll do it tonight
[01:58] <kenvandine> sorry about that
[01:59] <jono> thanks kenvandine!
[01:59] <jono> I am trying to get everyone wrapped up this week
[02:07] <kenvandine> jono, i also got access to gwibber.com to post the gwibber api docs and all
[02:07] <kenvandine> plus i added an awesome gwibber user-guide written by the vancouver loco
[02:07] <kenvandine> they are amazing!
[02:08] <jono> kenvandine, sweet!
[02:09] <jono> kenvandine, if you could mail me the bullet points that would be cool, or just add them to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/702393
[02:09] <jono> ok, I am grabbing good
[02:09] <jono> back later
[02:10] <kenvandine> have food good :-D
[08:06] <MacSlow> greetings folks
[08:37] <kamstrup> Kaleo: I added a check in libunity for gobject-introspection
[09:58] <nnnaji> hello Ayatana..
[09:59] <nnnaji> trying to build indicator-me
[09:59] <nnnaji> i'm facing ftbfs over and over again
[09:59] <nnnaji> natty, maverick
[09:59] <nnnaji> sudo apt-get build-dep indicator-me            didn't help me
[09:59] <nnnaji> does anybody know how to get a poor guy like me started?
[10:00] <nnnaji> i would like to build this on maverick
[10:00] <nnnaji> i keep getting
[10:00] <nnnaji> No package 'dbusmenu-glib-0.4' found
[10:00] <nnnaji> No package 'dbusmenu-gtk-0.4' found
[10:01] <nnnaji> what am i missing?
[10:02] <nnnaji> any help on how to get over these two would be greatly appreciated!
[10:04] <nnnaji> kenvandine .. *ping* :S
[10:07] <nnnaji> kenvandine .. could this be related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindicate/+bug/684949 ?
[11:03] <ion> I guess it’s known that unity-2d-launcher’s buttons don’t respond to clicks in the left-hand side corner of the screen?
[11:04] <ion> (Do unity-2d and unity-3d really share that little code?)
[12:39] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: had time to have a look at that branch yet ?
[12:40] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: nope, just got up
[12:40] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: working a bit on something else
[12:40] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: ok, no worries
[12:41] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: keep forgetting about the time zones
[13:42] <didrocks> Kaleo: FYI, new places pushed in natty
[13:43] <Kaleo> didrocks: AWESOME
[13:49] <didrocks> Kaleo: why did you add unity2d to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/704231 ?
[13:50] <didrocks> Kaleo: it's a compiz bug, weird that you are affected with metacity
[13:50] <Kaleo> didrocks: because we have the same bug in our code
[13:50] <Kaleo> didrocks: :)
[13:50] <didrocks> Kaleo: "fun" :-)
[13:51] <didrocks> Kaleo: stop trying to make unity2d *too* similar to unity3d :)
[13:51] <Kaleo> didrocks: ;)
[13:53] <ion> Might i humbly ask why unity-2d and unity-3d aren’t the same thing with a layer of abstraction for the respective rendering methods? :-)
[13:55] <ogra> sure, nobody will stop you from asking :)
[13:55] <kklimonda> most likely it would take more time to do that the right way (I remember people talking about making compiz do that, but it wasn't ready). This way they can make it ready for tests for 11.04, and what really counts is the result, not the code.
[13:55] <Kaleo> ion: Compiz has a 2D backend in the works that only rely on XRender
[13:56] <Kaleo> ion: but it's not ready yet
[13:56] <Kaleo> ion: that would solve the window management aspect of things
[13:56] <ion> ogra: :-)
[13:56] <Kaleo> relies*
[13:56] <ogra> XRender wont help on xfbdev based sessions btw
[13:57] <ion> I wouldn’t mind getting to try the 3D version as well, as soon as nux doesn’t crash on fglrx. :-)
[13:57] <ogra> i.e. all arm devices that dont have the proprieatry drivers installed
[14:00] <Kaleo> didrocks: the place packages kept the same names as before?
[14:02] <didrocks> Kaleo: yes, it's just built, not yet published
[14:02] <didrocks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-place-files/0.5.34-0ubuntu1
[14:02] <didrocks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-place-applications/0.2.28-0ubuntu1
[14:02] <Kaleo> didrocks: ah, right :)
[14:11] <ogra> Kaleo, i'm wondering about the autostart dir (and the file in it) in unity-2d-default-settings, i thought we dont even install that applet anymore
[14:11] <ogra> do we really need that file to hide it ?
[14:11] <ion> Are application menus simply not yet implemented in unity-2d, or am i encountering a bug?
[14:12] <ion> kaleo: Btw, i take it it has been noticed that the launcher buttons don’t respond to clicks in the far left corner of the screen?
[14:16] <ogra> didrocks, ^^^ i see NoDisplay=true and OnlyShowIn=XFCE; in /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-volume-control-applet.desktop, i suppose we dont specifically need an additional .desktop file to hide it in natty, right ?
[14:17] <ogra> (unity-2d-default-settings ships a .desktop file containing Hidden=true)
[14:17] <Kaleo> ogra: I suppose not
[14:18] <ogra> great, thats the only subdir in that package :)
[14:18] <Kaleo> ion: "launcher buttons don’t respond to clicks in the far left corner of the screen" no, what do you mean?
[14:18] <Kaleo> ion: application menus?
[14:19] <didrocks> ogra: no, you don't
[14:19] <ogra> perfect
[14:19] <ion> The colorful square icons in the vertical bar can’t be clicked by moving the mouse to the left hand side of the screen. You have to move the mouse a few pixels to the right first.
[14:20] <smspillaz> njpatel: didrocks: the issue I have is that there isn't a way to differentiate between "I pressed super because I wanted the launcher" and "I pressed super because I wanted to do some other combo-keybinding and I just happened to press super first, wtf are you doing"
[14:21] <smspillaz> njpatel: the only way I can really think of avoiding this case is to disable the passive grab when the launcher is actually visible, but then you'll lose the ability to quick hide the launcher again by pressing super in rapid succession
[14:21] <njpatel> smspillaz, tbh, I really don't care for natty :)
[14:21] <smspillaz> njpatel: yeah, I know there are more important things
[14:22] <smspillaz> njpatel: but I still think that it should be flagged that grabbing up an entire modifier tree is in gross violation of Ice Cubed :)
[14:22] <njpatel> smspillaz, heh, file a bug but, yeah, we'll see that for natty +1
[14:22] <smspillaz> njpatel: ok
[14:25] <smspillaz> njpatel: just an FYI then, see http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/sec-6.html#s-6.5, basically it's a case of X faffing about and not setting the standard that the super key *is* actually reserved for window management functions, so it says that we have to provide some way to allow buggy clients to recieve those events *sigh*
[14:26] <njpatel> he
[14:26] <njpatel> heh*
[14:26] <njpatel> figures
[14:26] <Kaleo> ion: it's not reported yet, please report it :)
[14:26] <ion> Alright, will do.
[14:26] <Kaleo> ion: and what did you mean by application menus?
[14:26] <Kaleo> ion: thanks
[14:27] <ion> The $UBUNTU_MENUPROXY thing. Gtk windows don’t seem to have menus at all. Hovering over the top bar doesn’t seem to reveal them.
[14:28] <Kaleo> ion: that's a bug, it's implemented and working here
[14:28] <ion> Ok
[14:29] <smspillaz> njpatel: hencing proving that once again that the ICCCM is still of use to absolutely nobody
[14:29] <Kaleo> too many Cs
[14:29] <njpatel> smspillaz, we'll axe it when we have some spare cycles ;)
[14:30] <smspillaz> njpatel: :p
[14:31] <smspillaz> Kaleo: ICCCM is actually just a set of rules designed to be broken. it's ridiculous :/
[14:31] <ogra> didrocks, so i renamed unity-2d.session to ubuntu-2d.session now, but i cant really rename the .desktop file for /usr/share/xsessions (since gnome-2d.desktop already exists) ... do you think just renaming .session is enough ?
[14:32] <didrocks> ogra: no, it should be 2d-ubuntu.session to match upstream (GNOME-way) naming of session file
[14:32] <ogra> oh, ok
[14:32] <didrocks> ogra: no need to rename in /usr/share/xsessions/, just ensure you match the .session file name :)
[14:33] <ogra> didrocks, what about other files, anything else that needs renaming ?
[14:33] <ogra> ah, k
[14:33] <didrocks> no, just make the change and ensure the desktop file can be translated
[14:33] <didrocks> (not a big bugger for now)
[14:34] <ogra> k
[14:35] <Kaleo> ogra: so, in the end what's the bzr branch for unity-2d-default-settings in natty?
[14:36] <ogra> hmm, i suppose X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gnome-session-2.0 should rather be X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=unity-2d
[14:37] <ogra> Kaleo, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/unity-2d/unity-2d-default-settings-natty-release
[14:37] <Kaleo> ogra: I see, any reason for the -release?
[14:38] <ogra> Kaleo, but i'll merge the files into the unity-2d-natty-release branch ... and to not conflict with trunl i think i'll put them into the debian dir if you dont object
[14:38] <ogra> Kaleo, consistency with NCommanders other branches
[14:38] <Kaleo> ogra: oh, great
[14:38] <Kaleo> ogra: but wait
[14:38] <Kaleo> what is unity-2d-natty-release
[14:38] <ogra> thats the package branch, NCommander will merge that with trunk regualry
[14:39] <Kaleo> ogra: so we have a package branch now
[14:39] <ogra> (talk to him about all the natty-release branches)
[14:39] <Kaleo> ogra: what's the point of having them if we have debian/ in trunk?
[14:39] <Kaleo> ogra: or what's the point of having debian/ in trunk if we have them?
[14:39] <ogra> ask NCommander :P
[14:39] <ogra> feel free to drop debian from trunk
[14:56] <dbarth_> API: ping? hey alejandro; did the at-spi2 vs 1 thing land on time for the release this week?
[14:56] <dbarth_> API: just curious if some of the issues i was having will also be fixed with the current build
[14:56] <API> dbarth_, hi,
[14:56] <API> don't know
[14:56] <API> I have just applied the patch on upstream
[14:56] <API> and notified the people on the list
[14:57] <API> as I said, I'm not used to the internal packaging machineries
[14:57] <API> I think that TheMuso was working on that
[14:57] <dbarth_> hmm, so probalby not, since it has another part in an upstream; but i guess it will soon be integrated into ubuntu
[14:57] <dbarth_> ok, cool
[14:57] <dbarth_> anyway, the main bridge loader issue is fixed irregardless, so that's fine
[14:57] <API> anyway, if the change is not applied
[14:57] <API> and you are usint at-spi
[14:57] <dbarth_> (the hangs i was getting earlier at the beginning of january)
[14:57] <API> unity will just avoid to load the bridge
[14:58] <API> and just printing some warnings
[14:58] <dbarth_> ah, so nothing will show up on accerciser
[14:58] <API> "no bridge loaded" and so on
[14:58] <API> yes
[14:58] <API> but at least
[14:58] <API> we will avoid a wrong bridge-loading
[14:58] <API> due gtk_init
[15:05] <Amaranth> wow, that's quite a memory leak from the dash :/
[15:21] <kamstrup> seb128: when do we stop pulling new package version in?
[15:21] <seb128> kamstrup, new version of what for what serie?
[15:21]  * kamstrup asking because he needs https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638929 in gobject-introspection
[15:22] <seb128> kamstrup, oh, GNOME, several weeks don't worry
[15:22] <seb128> it's likely that pitti will land all the work from the hacking done this week in natty next week or so
[15:22] <kamstrup> seb128: kewl,
[15:22] <kamstrup> wicked
[15:23] <seb128> or get kenvandine to backport things, he will probably want that if that unblock his gee hacking
[15:23] <seb128> dee
[15:23] <kenvandine> :)
[15:24] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i'll look at it
[15:25] <kenvandine> i am hacking on gobject-introspection right now actually :)
[15:27] <kamstrup> kenvandine: i am this close >< to having dee fully working with GI, now I just have problems because signals are marshalled with the old pygobject codepath and everything else is using GI
[15:27] <kamstrup> this causes some type hickups
[15:27] <kenvandine> :)
[15:27] <kamstrup> other than that adding and modifying rows works like a charm
[15:27] <kenvandine> kamstrup, weird... this patch has a bunch of references to TpAccount
[15:27] <kenvandine> must be some copy and paste from tomeo
[15:27] <kamstrup> kenvandine: it's just testing code
[15:28] <kenvandine> yeah, all in tests
[15:28] <kamstrup> kenvandine: but in case you didn't see yet, the patch is already in git master
[15:28] <kenvandine> yeah, i did
[15:28] <kenvandine> trying to get it in the package... but bzr seems to be down again or something
[15:28] <kamstrup> kenvandine: do you know if dbusmenu works well with pygi?
[15:29] <kenvandine> don't know
[15:29] <kenvandine> i suspect not :)
[15:29] <kenvandine> we are going to have a lot of work todo making sure everything works with pygi :/
[15:29] <kamstrup> kenvandine: ok, it's because I am working towards are future where we can bind libunity, dee, and dbusmenu. That would give super-powers to script the unity shell
[15:29] <kenvandine> although maybe lots of what you have fixed will end up helping :)
[15:29]  * kenvandine likes super powers
[15:30] <kamstrup> kenvandine: the deal breaker right now is whether we'll have the signal marshalling ported to pygi as well
[15:30] <kenvandine> that seems like a must... how could that ever work without it?
[15:30] <kamstrup> kenvandine: I might have a look at that, tomeu thinks it can work similarly to how they do properties right now, so might not be that hard in fact
[15:31] <kenvandine> cool
[15:31] <kamstrup> kenvandine: i ownder that too :-)
[15:31] <kamstrup> wonder
[15:32] <kenvandine> kamstrup, just FYI, but i found out that valac can produce the GIR at compile time
[15:32] <kenvandine> so you don't need g-ir-scanner for vala libraries :)
[15:36] <kamstrup> kenvandine: yeah, i'm using that for libunity. it's awesome - but you still need to compile the typelib
[15:36] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:36] <kenvandine> wish i knew!
[15:36] <kenvandine> it was killing me... :)
[15:36] <kenvandine> but now of course there is no useful way to generate docs
[15:37] <kenvandine> hopefully this gobject-introspection girdoc branch i am playing with really works
[16:22] <nmarques> guys anyone has clue what can be triggering this behavior on clutk reported on lp: #695823 ?
[16:28] <didrocks> tedg: hey, any idea why if I export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 ; killall nautilus && nautilus (and see that the nautilus currently running is the one from the command line, not one spawn by the session), I get no menu (sub) for a nautilus window, but still the full menus for the desktop?
[16:29] <tedg> didrocks, Uhm, probably because my nautilus patch doesn't check for the env. variable? :)
[16:29] <tedg> didrocks, I'm surprised it works though, I guess the .so still gets loaded?
[16:30] <didrocks> tedg: you mean debian/patches/16_desktop_menu_export.patch, right? I even tried commenting it and build && install and I still get the menu there (but only for the desktop), can it be cached somewhere?
[16:31] <tedg> didrocks, Well, it gets cached -- oh, perhaps it's not getting cleared.... do the menus work?
[16:32] <didrocks> tedg: no they don't :)
[16:33] <didrocks> so make sense :) how to delete the cache?
[16:34] <tedg> didrocks, killall unity-panel-service
[16:36] <didrocks> tedg: ah, way better, thanks :)
[16:36] <didrocks> tedg: you were about getting me crazy :)
[16:55] <kenvandine> kamstrup, btw i did upload the gobject-introspection with that patch
[17:08] <mterry> With latest unity, I'm getting an odd bug where parts of the upper left of my screen are not clickable until I open and dismiss the dash.  Is this a reported bug?
[17:10] <aruiz> kamstrup, ping
[17:13] <tareth> mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/705672
[17:14] <mterry> tareth, thanks.  Wasn't sure how to search for it.  :)
[17:14] <tareth> I just happened to have that one open
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, did you have any luck getting natty set up yet?
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> (i also hang out in #ubuntu-mozillateam btw, which is quite low traffic)
[17:19] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey!  No luck yesterday, trying again today.  Will let you know how it goes.  :)
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i'll try it now, just to see if i hit the same sorts of issues
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> i haven't done a new install in a long time ;)
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> it's probably about time i did one!
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> my machine just gets more and more broken over time ;)
[17:22] <m_conley> chrisccoulson:  I guess it's hard to work on a car you're driving in.  :)
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> heh, yeah, that's true :)
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> oh, virtualbox feels weird with the menubar in it's own window ;)
[17:28] <m_conley> argh
[17:28] <m_conley> :p
[17:36] <dbarth> kenvandine: wow, the one for the docs?
[17:36] <didrocks> tedg: ok, I'm completely puzzled with the desktop menu, even removing your patch still makes the desktop nautilus menu to be exported…
[17:36] <tedg> didrocks, No, that's impossible.    Is there an issue?
[17:38] <didrocks> tedg: a bug report your team was subscribed: bug #692194 :)
[17:39] <didrocks> tedg: I wanted to give it a try to help you seeing the other patch and thinking it was just a question of hiding the right menuitems
[17:41] <didrocks> I'm sure there is a cache somewhere, in addition to unity-panel-service making me crazy
[17:43] <tedg> No, I'm pretty sure that's the only cache.
[17:45] <didrocks> let's try logout/login
[17:49] <didrocks> hum, still there…
[17:52] <didrocks> tedg: hum, I still I'll let this as it is for now. Even removing your patch still exports the desktop menu after logout/login…
[17:52] <didrocks> so maybe appmenu-gtk is doing it now
[17:53] <didrocks> and hiding items aren't reflected anyway
[17:53] <tedg> My patch is more powerful than your simple efforts to remove it.
[17:53] <didrocks> seems so :)
[18:04] <lamalex> tedg, what projects have you worked on triaging?
[18:09] <lamalex> :) it stoppped snowing
[18:14] <kenvandine> lamalex, snowing... it is looking like spring here, gorgeous
[18:15] <lamalex> Yeah.. it looks like Maine here :P
[18:24] <didrocks> tedg: so, I removed you patch for exporting the desktop nautilus menu, add some debugging in the same function (it's actually called), logout and login in the ubuntu-classic session… and the desktop menu is exported
[18:24] <didrocks> tedg: so, either the patch is not needed anymore and the menu is exported by another mean by appmenu-gtk and not by the direct call or the patch, or there is a ghost in my laptop
[18:24] <tedg> lamalex, I did indicator-applicaiton, I was thinking of doing dbusmenu next.
[18:24] <didrocks> tedg: I checked for the ghost, no sign of it :)
[18:25] <tedg> didrocks, I'm voting ghost :)  The window doesn't get created the same way, so I'd be surprised that appmenu-gtk would pick it up.
[18:25] <tedg> didrocks, If it does, that's great, but it seems odd.
[18:25] <didrocks> tedg: I can built the version in a ppa if you want to ensure yourself :) (well, you can as well comment the patch in debian/patches/series)
[18:25] <tedg> didrocks, The menus are never really created.
[18:26] <didrocks> tedg: what do you mean?
[18:26] <tedg> didrocks, They're never attached to the desktop window -- which is what appmenu-gtk looks for.
[18:27] <didrocks> tedg: hum, but a nautilus desktop window is a nautilus window first, isn't it? (that's what I see in the code) and so, it should be attached the same way?
[18:27] <didrocks> tedg: like if I uncomment the gtk_widget_hide(NAUTILUS_WINDOW(window)->details->menubar), I can see them (and hidden automatically if appmenugtk is loaded)
[18:28] <lamalex> tedg, im doing dbusmenu now
[18:28] <lamalex> it has very few bugs :P
[18:29] <tedg> lamalex, Damn it, I'll find something else then :)
[18:30] <tedg> didrocks, Ah, hmm, cool.  That'd be cool if they weren't needed.... I swear it didn't work before I wrote the patch :)
[18:30] <didrocks> tedg: maybe nautilus changed a little bit. Now I need to figure out why hiding /MenuBar/File get me a gtk_widget, but this one doesn't want to hide
[18:31] <didrocks> tedg: I guess you are respecting the hidden value in appmenu, isn't it? (IIRC, that's how I did in gtkrecordmydesktop)
[18:32] <tedg> didrocks, yeah, we should be.
[18:35] <didrocks> tedg: ok, I'll give it another try next week and see what can be done. Otherwise, I'll surely ask you for help :)
[18:41] <lamalex> tedg, want to review these patches? https://bugs.launchpad.net/dbusmenu/+bug/690668
[18:41] <lamalex> the libindicate one appears to be fixed already
[18:41] <lamalex> but indicator-messages looks worth looking at
[18:42] <lamalex> and looking at dbus menu now
[19:05] <kenvandine> tedg, have you had a change to look at the dupe items in the messaging menu yet?
[19:42] <lamalex> DBO, jason any news on that nux bug for multimonitor?
[19:44] <jcastro> top panel is still not multimonitor aware. :(
[19:47] <lamalex> nor is launcher
[19:47] <lamalex> the launcher is the one that kills me
[19:47] <lamalex> the panel is annoying, the launcher is some level of unusable
[19:50] <jcastro> my launcher shows up on the proper screen
[19:50] <lamalex> jcastro, it's not that
[19:51] <lamalex> if you have two monitors of different sizes, and the launcher is on the smaller on, it doesn't fold based on the height of the smaller, it uses the larger so that some icons are unreahable
[19:52] <jcastro> oh, that one
[19:52]  * jcastro nods
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> nice, unity in virtualbox :)
[20:08] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i got the latest daily to work ok here
[20:08] <m_conley> chrisccoulson:  hey - nice!  Actually, so it turns out it might be a problem with the host machine over here
[20:08] <m_conley> the SSD in it just died
[20:09]  * m_conley sighs
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, just as i tried to reply to you there, Xorg died ;)
[20:11] <m_conley> we're having all the OS luck today
[20:11] <m_conley> :p
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[20:24] <nmarques> anyone I can have a small talk regarding LP685682 ?
[20:43] <kenvandine> yah... gi fixes make dee sort of work from python now!
[20:43] <kenvandine> just can't require a signal for anything :)


[02:12] <diddledan> this was posted in another room, but https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xap1/v/t42.1790-2/11097880_809151599172890_356111680_n.mp4?oh=ac38253012576f02eef814bfea47586a&oe=552B41B0
[02:33] <ali1234> warburtons bread is the most horrible bread ever
[02:33] <ali1234> and that advert makes them look like neo-nazis
[03:07] <mapps> hi all
[03:12] <diddledan> allo mapps
[03:12] <mapps> oFF TO PRAHA on sunday;D
[03:12] <diddledan> ali1234: aye the bread from warburtons is of the type that I refer to as "blotting paper"
[03:13] <mapps> 19th-26th april:)
[04:23] <MartijnVdS> morningsa
[04:24] <mapps> morning MartijnVdS
[06:51] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:52] <knightwise> just installing the new stable version of Freya and giving it a go
[06:54] <knightwise> looks pretty good at first sight
[06:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:56] <knightwise> yo MooDoo
[06:56] <knightwise> how are you doing :)
[06:57] <MooDoo> hello knightwise yeah i'm ok thanks.
[07:01] <knightwise> installing Freya for the moment . looks very good
[07:01] <knightwise> very mature distro
[07:46] <MooDoo> knightwise: elemental?
[07:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:52] <zmoylan-pi> good $time_description *
[07:54] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[07:55] <zmoylan-pi> monday the 13th... should be worse than a friday the 13th which kinda cancel each other out? :-P
[07:55] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:16] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 how are you on this fine day?
[08:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: awake
[08:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: you?
[08:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i'm ok thanks :)
[08:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Scrabble Day! :-D
[08:22]  * zmoylan-pi boggles...
[08:22] <MooDoo> howdy JamesTait Oxyphenbutazone that's 1778 points to you
[08:22] <JamesTait> Well played. ;)
[08:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's not a word there is an o missing :P
[08:24] <davmor2> Oxypheno, surely
[08:24] <MooDoo> ah shush you
[08:24] <MooDoo> ooo books arriving today forgot about that - sorry totally irrelevant change of subject
[08:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: you're just trying to get away from the fact that the dyslexic knew you spelt a word wrong :P  admit it :D
[08:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: cough cough
[08:28] <MooDoo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyphenbutazone - nope
[08:28]  * zmoylan-pi hands MooDoo a throat lozenge
[08:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: highest score ever was BENZOXYCAMPHORS 1830
[08:29] <MooDoo> damn you google
[08:29] <MooDoo> I will beat you one day morley
[08:29] <MooDoo> :D
[08:30]  * zmoylan-pi wonders what the profession of the person who scored that was...
[08:30] <MooDoo> footballer ;)
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> ah it seems to be the theroretical maximum and didn't happen in a competition...
[09:05] <Myrtti_> time of day
[09:06] <Myrtti> https://youtu.be/r0IZ_TEzg7M I wonder if it'll be available on Linux
[09:07] <MooDoo> looks fun
[09:08] <Myrtti> I can't decide if his accent is intentional or is it like that for real
[09:11] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: professional scrabble players
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> so a video game version of skanger me banger? :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RlXJCwSjwg
[09:14] <popey> Myrtti: well, it's unity5.. so should be able to
[09:18] <popey> Myrtti: that guy is hilarious
[09:18] <Myrtti> popey: apparently the car is modeled to ridiculous reality
[09:19] <popey> yeah, it looks like it
[09:19] <Myrtti> I don't understand anything of cars but apparently the engine starts to knock if the vents have been assembled wrongly
[09:19] <Myrtti> etc
[09:19] <Myrtti> vents, valves, whathaveyou
[09:19] <Myrtti> needs all the fluids refilled etc
[09:20] <popey> yeah valves.
[09:21] <Myrtti> summer car is a Finnish institution of buying a banger in the spring (preferably with recently renewed car insurance (in Finland it's attached to the car, not the driver) and recent MOT, drive it around and then get it baled once winter is turning in and you'd have to change into winter tyres you don't have and don't want to buy
[09:21]  * davmor2 so wants it to be vents now :D
[09:22] <Myrtti> http://www.johannesrojola.com/msc/
[09:24] <davmor2> JamesTait, MooDoo: I wonder if you could cram in floccinaucinihilipilification or pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis :D
[09:24] <willcooke> czajkowski, ping?
[09:24] <JamesTait> davmor2, bless you.
[09:25] <davmor2> I don't think the board is wide enough for either but they are such nice words
[09:29] <popey> Myrtti: he is quite funny
[09:31] <knightwise> boom :)
[09:31] <knightwise> ubuntu phone just arrived
[09:31] <popey> \o/
[09:31] <Myrtti> I think I might have cracked my Nexus 5 screen on the London trip :-|
[09:32] <davmor2> Knightmare: don't install machine vs machine you will lose hours of your life
[09:32] <Myrtti> shoved it too hard into my full handbag
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> ouch, priced a replacement screen?
[09:33] <Myrtti> 75 to 99 with installation
[09:33] <directhex_> that's not so bad, honestly
[09:34] <directhex_> it's a high res screen, and hard to replace
[09:34] <Myrtti> almost went to a place to have it changed while we were in London but someone said that I shouldn't rush into things. Well, that means that I'm now very much not rushing because this certainly is not London where I could have gotten it fixed the same day
[09:35] <directhex_> /o\
[09:35] <directhex_> lots of cobblers do screen repair too
[09:36] <directhex_> it's a transferrable skill! replacing touchscreens is almost exactly the same as nailing heels to shoes
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> my father a trained cobbler _was_ a dab hand with electrics and electronics in his day...
[09:38] <popey> cobblers
[09:38] <popey> awls
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> i did have a cobbler in train station alter a bag back in 90s to make a compartment for psion 5 to slide into that saved it a few dents and bangs
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> kinda of a holster within the bag
[09:41] <popey> pew pew pew!
[09:49] <MooDoo> why can i picture popey behind a sofa playing cowboys and indians with his kids when he says pew pew pew!
[09:49] <popey> I bought a load of caps for Sams guns
[09:49] <MooDoo> ahem i mean playing starwars lol
[09:50] <MooDoo> popey: the ones in a strip or little red ones?
[09:50] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004RI7ZNQ a thousand shots for 5.50
[09:50] <MooDoo> yup i remember them :D
[09:51] <MooDoo> i remember the brown ones that came in a long strip, you used to rub a stone down a load of them lol
[09:51] <popey> no, the plastic ringsyeah
[09:52] <MooDoo> ah the memories
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> ah the plastic rings that you cut off the actual caps and put them in guns that fitted onto keyrings.  very loud
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> i still occasionly see the plastic rings caps in discount stores, haven't seen the paper roll caps since early 80s
[09:53] <davmor2> MooDoo: I picture popey playing lazer tag with his kids and his wife walking in and ruining all the fun ala Castle :)
[09:54] <popey> yesterday all the kids in the street were out playing
[09:54] <popey> easter break is cool when it's sunny
[09:54] <popey> there's about 15 kids in our road, and they're all similar ages, and all get on well
[09:54]  * davmor2 pictures popey out with them starting the water fight cause that's the way he rolls
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> when i play ad&d at one group we all use nerf to settle arguments, works well :-)
[09:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: next time there will be a nerf gun outside with a message "Hi, I also have a nurf gun and am hidden in the house, looser cooks tea" ;)
[09:57] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahahaha
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> i think i saw that on reddit :-)
[10:09] <czajkowski> willcooke: pong
[10:11] <MooDoo> zmoylan-pi: yeah probably where i got it from, just seemed appropriate.
[10:17] <willcooke> czajkowski, Do you happen to remember the name of that lad who installed Ubuntu on his mates computers at school?  I can't find the article anywhere.
[10:31] <diplo>  /j #telegram
[10:31] <diplo> Oops :)
[10:40] <czajkowski> willcooke: pm ?
[10:41] <willcooke> czajkowski, thx
[10:46] <czajkowski> popey: willcooke FYI https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ie/2013-December/001366.html
[13:19] <popey> Myrtti: saw this and thought of you https://twitter.com/kartsa82/status/587605750253486080
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a moomin dvd on sale yesterday and thought of posting a pic here...
[13:25] <MooDoo> love the moomins
[13:28] <DJones> A friend of mine from Finland is mad on Moomins, her partner must send her at least one picture a day on moomin art/decor/themed cups/knitting patterns etc
[13:33] <brobostigon> any ideas on something like pushbullet/pushover that can push irssi highlights to ubuntu touch?
[14:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: next you'll be saying you like noggin the nog and ivor the engine too ;)
[14:04] <zmoylan-pi> clangers and bagpuss too
[14:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: and others :) fireball xl5, joe 90, terrahawks etc etc
[14:33] <foobarry> i watched bertha the other day
[14:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: battle of the planets, starfleet, thunderbirds, captain scarlet, dungeons and dragons, teenage mutant ninja turtles, transforms, thundercats, he-man, THE MUPPETS and fraggle rock
[14:36] <mapps> is betfair working?
[14:36] <mapps> can someone check
[14:36] <mapps> www.betfair.com
[14:36] <mapps> just timing out for me;/
[14:37] <ali1234> terrahawks was great. you don;t see stuff like this in kids shows any more: https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/71/200493485_3768ae3e23.jpg
[14:37] <foobarry> bruce forsyth?
[14:38] <moreati1> mapps: it's down http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.betfair.com
[14:38] <ali1234> http://s.sidereel.com/episodes/159751/featured/28464.jpg
[14:38] <popey> Yeah, I loved Terrahawks
[14:38] <popey> especially the cubes vs balls thing
[14:38] <popey> with Windsor Davies as the voice
[14:39] <ali1234> i had a terrahawks colouring book
[14:39] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZC9B0YJ8W8 nostalgia!
[14:39] <mapps> thanks
[14:40] <Myrtti> Cities:Skylines players might benefit from watching Twitch's best traffic mangler, CleaveTV on http://twitch.tv/cleavetv
[14:40] <mapps> so it isnt my end - last month couldnt get on for a week yet worked for everyone else
[14:40] <Myrtti> I still suck in the game tho
[14:41] <davmor2> popey: MooDoo: you're both of the right age, do you remember Black Hole?
[14:41] <ali1234> you mean disney's the black hole?
[14:42] <davmor2> ali1234: yeap the one with maximillion and old ben
[14:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes loved it
[14:42] <MooDoo> vincent
[14:42] <davmor2> popey: the balls in terrahawks video reminded me of it :)
[14:43] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pOiyD4h6E and old ben was the beat up one :)
[14:47] <MooDoo> davmor2: http://www.bugeyedmonster.com/toys/blackhole/blackhole/blowup/334inchall.jpg
[14:47] <MooDoo> davmor2: it was old bob
[14:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: I new it was old and began with b I was close :D
[14:48] <davmor2> Old bobs the name and shootings the game :D
[14:49] <MooDoo> :d
[14:49] <MooDoo> did you look at the photo?
[14:52] <ali1234> does anyone remember a live action show that was like king arthur vs aliens?
[14:54] <bigcalm> o.O
[14:54] <bigcalm> Dungeon Quest?
[14:56] <ali1234> the aliens all wore black leather and had storm troopers with laser guns
[14:56] <ali1234> and king arthur had magic
[14:56] <foobarry> sounds like some pervy geeks dream
[14:57] <ali1234> i think the aliens might have been time travellers
[14:57] <ali1234> would have been on tv around 1984
[14:57] <bigcalm> 70s 80s or 90s?
[14:57] <bigcalm> Okay
[14:57] <ali1234> and it was a british show
[14:58] <bigcalm> http://www.imdb.com/list/ls002724091/
[14:58] <ali1234> it wasn't a kids show
[14:59] <bigcalm> That changes matters a lot
[14:59] <ali1234> well, i mean it wasn't on kids TV
[14:59] <ali1234> it was like doctor who
[14:59] <ali1234> or merlin/atlantis that they show now
[15:00] <foobarry> ah
[15:03] <foobarry> knights of god?
[15:04] <ali1234> yes that could very well be it
[15:05] <foobarry> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_God
[15:05] <ali1234> yes that is definitely it
[15:05] <ali1234> there's a helicopter in the intro
[15:05] <ali1234> i was gonna say i thought there was a helicopter
[15:06] <ali1234> oh look there's the laser gun storm troopers
[15:06] <ali1234> and more black helicopters
[15:07] <foobarry> i never saw it
[15:07] <ali1234> apparently it was only ever shown once
[15:07] <foobarry> i have a lifelong habit of not really watching ITV
[15:07] <foobarry> it was canned due to lameness apparently
[15:07] <mapps> lol
[15:08] <awilkins> Really it was canned because Arthur beats the fascists!
[15:08] <mapps> betfair's down due to a DDOS attack
[15:08] <awilkins> We can't have the proles thinking they can win!
[15:08] <mapps> been down 4 hours!
[15:08] <mapps> paying their 'engineers' and other people fortunes and cant deal with a DDOS attack
[15:08] <mapps> pathetic
[15:09] <foobarry> :-|
[15:09] <foobarry> its very hard to deal with DDOS
[15:09] <mapps> well
[15:09] <mapps> I'm sure the likes of Google/twitter/facebook get targeted..no?
[15:09] <foobarry> because its very similar actually supplying a web service
[15:10] <mapps> not sure what that means
[15:11] <awilkins> Beating DDOS is really only possible if you have a large distributed infrastructure
[15:11] <foobarry> if you have a web service that is popular
[15:12] <foobarry> then it supplies web pages to lots of different people
[15:12] <foobarry> a DDOS is very similar to that
[15:12] <foobarry> the first D in DDOS suggests that there are various/many sources
[15:13] <mapps> ya
[15:21] <mapps> you mean because theyd have multiple servers multiple locations
[15:21] <mapps> i assumed betfair would too
[15:21] <foobarry> yeah sure,
[15:21] <foobarry> but DDOS will eat them all
[15:21] <foobarry> given sufficient capacity
[15:22] <mapps> yea
[15:23] <mapps> theyre trying to claim it's a competitor on twitter
[15:23] <mapps> ;]
[15:26] <foobarry> i have no love for betting companies
[15:26] <mapps> they pay me very well so im happy enough
[15:26] <mapps> only reason i moved ;]
[15:27] <ali1234> is there some large gambling event currently?
[15:27] <ali1234> if i was a betfair competitor i would have ddos'ed them on saturday
[15:27] <mapps> nah
[15:27] <mapps> yea saturdays are our busy day
[15:27] <mapps> like 150 events in play
[15:28] <ali1234> especially when it's the boat race and the grand national
[15:28] <mapps> sometimes on CL days our site goes down due to demand
[15:28] <mapps> the money that comes in every minute is quite shocking
[15:28] <mapps> people refer to work as 'the big green machine' just prints money O_o
[15:32] <diddledan> mapps: can they print some money for me? (without requiring me to gamble) :-p
[15:33] <mapps> ;]
[15:33] <mapps> bit tired today hm
[15:56] <ChunkzZ> what channels are you guys on, on freenode? I'm on 24.
[15:56] <daftykins> some ubuntu, some Kodi... some chat
[15:57] <popey> only 49 now. trimmed down a bit
[15:58] <ChunkzZ> what one's popey ?
[15:58] <popey> wat?
[15:58] <popey> oh, which channels
[15:58] <popey> lots :)
[15:58] <ChunkzZ> pic ?
[15:58] <popey> nah.  Outlook.com is being annoying by refusing to accept mails from my personal domain. Feel I may have spoiled something by defining SPF records.
[16:15] <awilkins> Even when relayed through my DNS provider it's not working
[16:15] <daftykins> outlook.com eh - novel choice 0o
[16:15] <awilkins> It's our work email provider
[16:16] <awilkins> Trying to get my Redmine server to mail things to it
[16:16] <awilkins> I have postfix / dovecot all nicely running on the server
[16:16] <awilkins> It mails things to GMail just fine
[16:16] <awilkins> Even though GMail was initially canning it as spam (switched to my DNS mail relay and it's in my inbox)
[16:17] <diddledan> awilkins: afaicr outlook andpreviously hotmail require that you submit your spf details via a webform because microsoft don't trust standards
[16:17] <daftykins> lol
[16:18] <awilkins> *donk*
[16:19] <awilkins> My home IP (where my server is at) is on some evil blocklist they have
[16:19] <awilkins> Got a "sod off" message from their server
[16:20] <bashrc_> I have the same issue
[16:20] <bashrc_> some domains won't accept email from me because of a spurious IP based blocklist
[16:21] <awilkins> Aha, now they are at least going to my junkbpox
[16:23] <awilkins> A quick mark of them as not-junk and it's going to my inbox
[16:23] <awilkins> HUzzah
[16:24] <awilkins> I don't sync my junkbox to Thunderbird
[16:42] <popey> golly https://twitter.com/unity3d/status/587492191829958656
[16:42] <popey> is the 3ds powerful enough to run unity3d games?
[18:40] <foobarry> does vlc on ubuntu stream to chromecast?
[18:42] <foobarry> maybe ill just plugin hdmi
[18:46] <popey> dont see how it can
[18:47] <davmor2> popey: it does say the new nitendo 3ds
[18:47] <popey> yeah
[18:47] <davmor2> popey: I don't know if that means there is going to be a new one released
[18:48] <popey> a new one was recently announced
[18:49] <davmor2> popey: indeed just looking at it now
[18:49] <ali1234> presumably you still have to jump through all the nintendo licensing hoops though?
[18:49] <popey> I guess
[18:49] <popey> no real "official" indie game scene on nintendo is there?
[18:49] <ali1234> no, only homebrew linux stuff
[18:49] <ali1234> afaik
[18:52] <davmor2> popey: so looking at the spec the new 3ds sounds like a tablet with 2 small screens instead of one large one
[18:53] <ali1234> the old one was too
[18:53] <ali1234> nintendo have been using ARM since the gameboy advance
[19:35] <directhex_> davmor2: your comment on spec is more true than you realise
[19:35] <directhex_> davmor2: the "2ds" cut-price 2d-only 3ds variant is literally a larger lcd with a bunch of it hidden behind plastic, as it's cheaper than 2 separate smaller screens
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> and when it breaks, it's all broken at once!

[21:11] <mapps> phew
[21:11] <mapps> thought id lost my sim
[21:11] <mapps> got a dual sim phone but both are nano phone takes micro..couldnt even order the adapter to gib;/
[21:11] <mapps> waiting for it to arrive in spain#