[00:14] <Bashing-om> rebooting for 19.10 update - back in a bit.
[01:16] <Wild_Man> Looking
[01:16] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ^^
[01:16] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: :)
[01:24] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I made one more comment and I resolved one
[01:25] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Looking :)
[14:40] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Is Ubuntu NOT Dropping 32-bit App Support After All? @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=145284 (by Joey Sneddon)
[15:33] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Microsoft Makes It Easier for Folks to Try the Linux-Inspired Windows Terminal @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=145311 (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:26] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Would Steam Dropping Ubuntu Support Make You Switch Distro? [Poll] @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=145278 (by Joey Sneddon)
[19:44] <Bashing-om> UWN584 up for proofreading and acceptance.
[22:44] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Simos Xenitellis: I am running Steam/Wine on Ubuntu 19.10 (no 32-bit on the host) @ https://blog.simos.info/i-am-running-steam-wine-on-ubuntu-19-10-no-32-bit-on-the-host/


[08:52] <gotwig> can you help here?
[09:55] <dpm> wgrant, StevenK, around?
[11:34] <marvin24> czajkowski: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/226386 - need help
[13:16] <mgz> what controls what +download considers the latest release?
[13:17] <mgz> for juju, it says 0.6 is the newest download, even though the 0.7 milestone has been set to released and has a tarball
[13:18] <dobey> if you have any "releasese" uploaded on the series that is the development focus, it will show the last one there as the latest. if you only have releases on other series (like a stable-0-8 series or something), and no releases on the development focus, it will show the latest release as the latest i think.
[13:21] <mgz> ah, I see the issue. 0.6 was released from the "trunk" series
[13:21] <mgz> not the "0.6" series
[13:22] <mgz> and trunk is focus of development...
[13:22] <mgz> thanks dobey
[13:23] <mgz> I think the fix therefore is to move all milestones off trunk
[13:24] <dobey> that's what i've done for projects i manage
[13:32] <mgz> what I did: renamed trunk to "past", changed development focus to (unreleased) 0.8
[15:03] <ggherdov_> Hi all. Ubuntu 12.04 x86_64 down here. I am trying to add https://launchpad.net/~tortoisehg-ppa to my repo list, but the at apt-get update I get 404s. Here the output: http://pastebin.ca/2355857 . what happened? where did I get it wrong ?
[15:04] <dobey> pastebin.ca isn't loading for me
[15:05] <dobey> which PPA are you using? that's a team
[15:06] <ggherdov_> dobey: is this better ? http://ideone.com/1RYCAt
[15:07] <dobey> you tried to add a team as a repository; that is not a PPA. it's a team
[15:07] <ggherdov_> dobey: thanks for the hint ! GOT IT.
[15:07] <dobey> it has 3 PPAs available
[15:07] <ggherdov_> sorry caps lock
[15:07] <ggherdov_> I added https://launchpad.net/~tortoisehg-ppa/releases , just a wild guess
[15:08] <ggherdov_> dobey: ^^
[15:08]  * ggherdov_ err... to soon. no, it is not ../releases
[15:09] <ggherdov_> dobey: I am not familiar with launchpad. How do I list the options I have? how to see all PPAs ?
[15:09]  * ggherdov_ barely knows what a PPA is...
[15:11] <dobey> i don't know if there's a way to list all available PPAs. most of them are old/unmaintained or not something you'd want to add anyway.
[15:14] <ggherdov_> dobey: ok I see. I corrected (I think) the repo URL but still failing. Does this say anything to you? http://ideone.com/P1pLCH
[15:16] <ggherdov_> dobey: I was doing it all wrong. The right way to add a PPA is via the PPA URL, not the HTTPS one. like "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tortoisehg-ppa/releases"  -- thanks for your support !
[15:16] <dobey> yes
[16:30] <ggherdov_> is there anything like a list of "hottest launchpad projects" ?
[16:31] <ggherdov_> most active, most forked, most "liked"...
[16:33] <mgz> the main page sort of gives you that...
[16:33] <ggherdov_> ok
[16:34] <mgz> er... though it's manually manged it seems
[18:44] <pindonga> hi, so I have this issue: when querying LP to find out the openid for a given claimed_id I'm getting an incorrect value
[18:44] <pindonga> who's the right person to talk to to see why lp is providing the wrong openids for certain accounts?
[20:53] <robru> anybody here able to help me troubleshoot a failing launchpad import?
[21:06] <stokachu> has anyone come across this before: https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/+archive/primary
[21:08] <stokachu> could just be a browser thing
[21:08] <stokachu> calling it through curl works
[21:10] <dobey> i presume you're using firefox and you're talking about the xml parsing error?
[21:13] <robru> would love some help with https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/226513 if anybody has a spare minute
[21:14] <stokachu> dobey: yea
[21:15] <stokachu> didnt there use to be a bot that would let me look up oops message?
[21:16] <dobey> stokachu: i think if you post OOPS-foo strings it happens automatically
[21:16] <stokachu> ah
[21:17] <dobey> stokachu: yeah, that firefox behavior is normal for things it doesn't know how to style for display, and when there's nothing describe how things are to be unescaped
[21:17] <stokachu> ok no worries
[21:18] <stokachu> https://oops.canonical.com/?oopsid=OOPS-eb274a0d83794811c30daa719bd9f730
[21:19] <stokachu> not sure why it times out since it limits to 76
[21:22] <stokachu> OOPS-ee07c8341fb9f5746ae37a5db9e1b247
[21:29] <george_e> Not sure if I reported this in the right place, but it's pretty serious:
[21:29] <george_e> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-alldocs/+bug/1168158
[21:29] <mgz> george_e: I've filed an internal ticket about that
[21:29] <george_e> It's a known problem?
[21:29] <mgz> for now, http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/en/ should be fine for you
[21:30] <mgz> only from today
[21:31] <george_e> Okay, thanks.
[22:05] <wgrant> pindonga: LP is not providing the wrong OpenID identifiers.
[22:05] <wgrant> pindonga: They might be linked differently from what you expect, but it matches the data that LP Has.


[08:33] <sitter> Riddell: gmail still can't resolve jriddell.org
[08:35] <soee> good morning
[08:36] <valorie> FF can't find it either
[08:36] <valorie> :(
[08:38] <Mamarok> is there somebody running Trusty in a VM who could test something?
[08:39] <Mamarok> in particular this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343232
[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:31] <Riddell> sitter: my whole e-mail to that domain is broken :(
[09:31] <sitter> qq
[09:31] <Riddell> life is cruel
[09:31] <sitter> Riddell: are you doing 5.2 upload to staging?
[09:35] <sitter> Riddell: also, I uploaded qtbase with a second patch
[09:36] <Riddell> thanks sitter
[09:36] <Riddell> sitter: I think I'm mostly taking today off unless there's something urgent needed
[09:36] <Riddell> I have guests
[09:38] <sitter> Riddell: so no 5.2?
[09:39] <Riddell> not until tomorrow
[09:39] <sitter> pft
[09:41] <Riddell> hmm, we really need to give bukai some feedback on that website
[09:41] <sitter> haven't seen a mail
[09:42] <sitter> Riddell: what do I run for 5.2 uploading?
[09:43] <Riddell> kubuntu-automation kubuntu-initial-upload
[09:43] <sitter> Riddell: anything else?
[09:43] <Riddell> ./kubuntu-initial-upload -d vivid -v 5.2.0 -m "New upstream release" -y 15.04 -t ~/src/plasma -r plasma
[09:44] <Riddell> something like that
[09:45] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9879581/
[09:45] <sitter> :'<
[09:46] <Riddell> mkdir /home/apachelogger/src/plasma/ ?
[09:46] <sitter> plasmaPackagesWithoutEpoch = ["baloo-kf5", "kfilemetadata-kf5", "libkscreen", "libnm-qt", "libmm-qt", "kwayland"]
[09:46] <sitter> I just pissed my pants
[09:47]  * valorie gets out the adult diapers
[09:57] <sitter> rsync: link_stat "/home/ftpubuntu/stable/plasma/5.2.0/baloo-5.2.0.tar.xz" failed: No such file or directory (2)
[09:57] <sitter> must resists urge to rewrite script :@
[10:01] <sitter> Riddell: which script conducts the merge?
[10:11] <Riddell> sitter: as yet there is none
[10:24] <Riddell> sitter: new kwin tarball coming..
[10:25] <mgraesslin> Riddell: fyi emails to you are bouncing
[10:25] <Riddell> mgraesslin: I know :(  please use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for me this week, my dns provider has broken my domain
[10:26] <Riddell> mgraesslin: I got your request to reroll kwin somehow so I'll reroll that
[10:26] <mgraesslin> Riddell: thanks
[10:26] <mgraesslin> and sorry for your DNS mess
[10:26] <mgraesslin> happened to me once :-(
[10:38] <sitter> Riddell: bummer
[10:38]  * sitter looks for his stabilizer script
[11:13]  * jussi waves
[11:14] <sitter> jussi!
[11:14] <sitter> jussi: how are ya mate?
[11:14] <jussi> sitter: alive'
[11:14] <jussi> I think...'
[11:15] <jussi> :)
[11:15] <jussi> and you?
[11:15] <Tm_T> hola juissi
[11:19] <sitter> jussi: busy busy, what with 5.2 coming out tomorrow :)
[11:58] <Riddell> jussi: australia still working? not got fried with your finish hair and no ozone layer?
[12:01] <shadeslayer> didn't they have Australia day yesterday
[12:01] <shadeslayer> are you not hungover
[12:03] <Riddell> they did? on the same day as calcot day? did they eat lots of leek shaped onions?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> Australia Day is the official national day of Australia. Celebrated annually on 26 January, it marks the anniversary of the 1788 arrival of the First Fleet of British Ships at Port Jackson, New South Wales, and raising of the Flag of Great Britain at that site by Governor Arthur Phillip.
[12:04] <Riddell> oh it's today, but by today you mean yesterday for them, I see
[12:05] <Riddell> gosh that must be a really hard celebration for all the Aboriginals
[12:05] <sitter> or shadeslayer just doesn't know what day it is :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> well, it's 11 PM in Australia now, and by yesterday I meant today for us
[12:06] <shadeslayer> Australia is weird
[12:06] <shadeslayer> he's like the weirdo in the playground, with no sense of time
[12:06] <sitter> by yeseterday you meant today, I see :P
[12:07] <shadeslayer> in proper time, yes
[12:07] <sitter> subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['dch', '-v', '5.2.0-0ubuntu1', '-D', 'UNRELEASED', 'New upstream release']' returned non-zero exit status 25
[12:07] <sitter> :@
[12:07] <sitter> Riddell: is it intentional that apparently everything grew an epoch in plasma?
[12:10] <Riddell> sitter: no, although only baloo and kfilemetadata are likely to get into frameworks so they're the important ones
[12:11] <sitter> it's like in the 90's
[12:12] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9881151/
[12:19] <Riddell> sitter: how so?
[12:20] <sitter> setting epoch to 4: for khotkeys
[12:20] <sitter> ['/home/apachelogger/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-bump-versions', '--dist', 'vivid', '--version', '5.2.0', '--plasma']
[12:20] <sitter> [12:21] <sitter> Riddell:
[12:21] <sitter> grep -r releaseType kubuntu-initial-upload |wc -l
[12:21] <sitter> 19
[12:22] <sitter> if one has to query that often one has missed a great opportunity for factory pattern
[12:23] <sitter> uff
[12:25] <sitter> grep -r "plasmaPackagesWithoutEpoch =" .
[12:25] <sitter> ./kubuntu-bump-versions:plasmaPackagesWithoutEpoch = ["baloo5-dev", "kfilemetadata5-dev", "libkscreen2-dev", "libkf5modemmanagerqt-dev", "libkf5networkmanagerqt-dev"]
[12:25] <sitter> ./kubuntu-initial-upload:plasmaPackagesWithoutEpoch = ["baloo-kf5", "kfilemetadata-kf5", "libmm-qt"]
[12:33] <sitter> oxygen-qt4: git/bzr unclean or out of sync
[12:34] <sitter> me@smith:~/src/git/d/plasma/oxygen-qt4$ diff -urNad debian oxygen-qt4-5.1.95/debian
[12:34] <sitter> me@smith:~/src/git/d/plasma/oxygen-qt4$
[12:34] <sitter> you cannot even imagine just how angry this script makes me
[12:35] <sitter> Riddell: what happend to user-manager tar?
[12:35] <Riddell> sitter: it didn't get a .0 release
[12:35] <sitter> spooky
[12:36] <Riddell> cos vishesh said it overlapped with Accounts Manager so it can't get a stable release
[12:36] <sitter> breeze-qt4: git/bzr unclean or out of sync
[12:36] <sitter> Riddell: accounts manager?
[12:36] <Riddell> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342631
[12:36] <Riddell> kcm that takes in your username and e-mail
[12:36] <Riddell> needs the class KEmailSettings rewritten internally
[12:36]  * sitter scratches head
[12:38] <Riddell> however I think it's better than not having a way to set up user accounts so it's in the kubuntu seeds
[12:38] <sitter> it all be giving me headaches
[12:39] <sitter> the different versions on baloo and kfilemetadata also make the script cry
[12:51] <sitter> the script totally doesn't handle breeze-qt4 correctly
[13:07] <sitter> dch warning: new version (5.2.0~ubuntu15.04~ppa1) is less than
[13:07] <sitter> the current version number (4:5.2.0-0ubuntu1).
[13:08] <sitter> needs testing
[13:08] <sitter> all of this needs lots and lots of testing
[13:08] <soee> :-)
[13:14] <sitter> Riddell: so how do we get user-manager? roll our own tar?
[13:16] <sitter> and what do I do with all the stuff in staging?
[13:17] <sitter> sigh
[13:17] <sitter> wgrant: can we please get a bump to 6gb on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/utopic-qt54
[13:18] <Riddell> sitter: just use the beta version
[13:18] <Riddell> sitter: same goes for touchpad kcm
[13:18] <Riddell> sitter: actually touchpad kcm had its release blocker fixed so maybe we want to grab git and remove ktouchpadenabler
[13:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi hi
[13:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: ksyslog is still broken when called through krunner
[13:20] <sitter> Riddell: so what's with applications in staging?
[13:22] <sitter> and what's with the frameworks in staging
[13:22] <sitter> weajiothawlgh;agho[gh[h'[io'[
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:27] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[13:27] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[13:27] <soee> BluesKaj: do you have some exeriance with fan control?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> no soee , i hire  security to take care of situations when I have too many my unruly fans following me :)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> otherwise no for the laptop, no problems so far
[13:31] <soee> BluesKaj: @ #kubutnu: [14:16] <dewar> ok, hi can anyone help, i have just intalled lm sensor and run through the checks. i can now seen in psensor that the temp on 1 is 45degs with the other temps 234 at -128deg. the fan is constantly running. core0 temsp 26 core 1 28
[13:32] <BluesKaj> soee, how about thinkfan in the repos
[13:32] <soee> BluesKaj: i ' m completely unfamiliar with it
[13:32] <BluesKaj> depends on the HW I imagine
[13:33] <soee> BluesKaj: if you have any suggestions write to him on #kubuntu
[13:35] <BluesKaj> soee, http://privatepaste.com/c497bdfc35
[13:45] <sitter> right then
[13:45] <sitter> #yolo is the name of the game
[13:50] <sitter> Riddell: next-staging (aka stage0) will soon contain plasma, next-stage1 now contains kf5.6, next-stage2 will contain applications 14.12 soonishy, utopic-qt54 contains qt, stage0 and stage1 depend on next and qt54, stage 2 only depends on next as I suppose there is no qt supposed to be in that picture
[13:55] <sitter> ah yeah, stage0 also depends on stage1
[13:55] <Riddell> wibble, sounds complex
[13:58] <sitter> Riddell: happens when one wants to stage 300 things at the same time even though they have marginally nothing todo with one another
[14:06] <Riddell> sitter: so I've got a backport of konsole4 for utopic, where do I put it?
[14:13]  * Riddell tries ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-staging2
[14:13] <Riddell> sitter: I was hoping to just tidy up next-staging and move it all to next-backports
[14:14] <soee> Riddell: when do you plan to put 5.4 into vivid archive ?
[14:14] <soee> *5.2
[14:14] <Riddell> soee: plasma 5.2 ? sitter is looking at that today
[14:14] <soee> Riddell: oh i though hest doing the stuff for utopic not vivid
[14:15] <Riddell> maybe, but if so that seems the wrong way around
[14:47] <sitter> oh 5.2 should have gone into staging
[14:48] <soee> :o
[14:49] <soee> sitter: why next-staging and not staging ?
[14:50] <sitter> *shrug*
[14:50] <sitter> because I had to cleanup next-staging for the backport anyway
[14:50] <soee> :)
[14:50] <sitter> Riddell: debconf and qapt still not in archive
[14:54] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/view/utopic%20FIX/job/utopic_unstable_kfilemetadata/ wow
[14:56] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:56] <shadeslayer> fun
[14:57] <shadeslayer> javah
[14:57] <sitter> Conflicts: libkf5filemetadata5
[14:57] <sitter> Replaces: libkf5filemetadata5
[14:57] <sitter> I am going to throw up
[14:59] <shadeslayer> sitter: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/01/%23ubuntu-kernel.html
[14:59] <shadeslayer> sitter: same issue I'm facing
[14:59] <shadeslayer> hurray
[15:06] <sitter> hm
[15:06] <sitter> nice
[15:06] <sitter> Riddell: look at oxygen http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.2.0_vivid.html
[15:06] <sitter> the documentation stuff is disabled but translations are being installed
[15:08] <sitter> interestingly I don't even have an opinion on how one would not have that happen
[15:09] <sitter> probably delete the source as a whole instead of commenting out stuff in cmake
[15:09] <sitter> well that or deleting the Messages.sh (or the entries pertaining to the pot file for a disabled product)
[15:10] <sitter> deleting the Messages.sh will surely be forgotten  and then there's no upstream translations
[15:10] <sitter> so, I think source deletion in git really is the only sure fire way to have this not happen
[15:43] <shadeslayer> I just used a flip phone
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Why were flip phones removed
[15:44] <shadeslayer> they're so cool
[15:58] <BluesKaj> I still have one, motorola Kzr.. we just use it occasionally ...a  whole 15 bucks/mos :)
[16:24] <sitter> shadeslayer: try flipping a 6inch display
[16:25] <sitter> Riddell: what's the plan for bludevil in vivid?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> sitter: it wouldn't be a 6 inch display
[16:25] <shadeslayer> it'd be a 3 inch display
[16:25] <shadeslayer> cuz you know
[16:25] <shadeslayer> foldable and stuff
[16:26] <shadeslayer> and 3 inch flipperoo is doable
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Infact this samsung flip phone is as big as my OPO
[16:26] <shadeslayer> when I flip it open
[16:27] <sitter> on 3 inch you can't do touching properly
[16:27] <sitter> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5filemetadata3_5.6.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[16:27] <sitter>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/kfilemetadata.mo', which is also in package libkf5filemetadata2:i386 5.5.95-0ubuntu1
[16:28] <sitter> a pft
[16:28] <sitter> yofel: have we actually discussed this conflict scenario when we discussed data in lib packages?
[16:28] <sitter> I have an uneasy feeling that we didn't
[16:28] <sitter> I also have a feeling that debian is going to go splitz on this anyway xD
[16:29] <yofel> we didn't
[16:29] <yofel> I'm pretty sure we didn't
[16:29] <sitter> jolly unfortunate
[16:29] <yofel> ack
[16:29] <sitter> yofel: I take it you find it as awful as I do? ^^
[16:29] <shadeslayer> does anyone know if you can pass arguments to patch via the series file?
[16:29] <yofel> my, how did you guess that :P
[16:29] <sitter> otoh data package just for translations is also meh
[16:30] <sitter> shadeslayer: you can
[16:30] <shadeslayer> sitter: how?
[16:30] <sitter> well, perhaps it's quilt arguments
[16:30] <sitter> but I am pretty sure if you suffix with -p1 you can influence the level for example
[16:30] <shadeslayer> sitter: I want the args to be passed for a specific patch
[16:30] <sitter> so if it is quilt specific dpkg-source probably doesn't give a flying fuck about it
[16:30] <sitter> shadeslayer: yeah, you'd put that after the patch in the series
[16:30] <shadeslayer> right so : patchname -d whatever
[16:30] <shadeslayer> would work
[16:31] <sitter> well, assuming those are freeform arguments :P
[16:31] <sitter> if it is quilt being awesome you're probably of luck
[16:31] <shadeslayer> except it doesn't
[16:31] <sitter> why would you need to -d anyway?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> sitter: patch tries to patch a/foo/bar, but the file is in a/baz/foo/bar
[16:32] <shadeslayer> it's all funky
[16:32] <shadeslayer> trying to figure out a way to automate this shit, but I keep hitting stupid things
[16:35] <sitter> just adjust the paths in the patch perhaps?
[16:35] <sitter> yofel: so, after musing on this I think data packages are back on the table!
[16:35] <shadeslayer> sitter: yeah, how do you propose I do that
[16:35] <shadeslayer> one would need to write a patch parser
[16:38]  * shadeslayer looks for gems
[16:39] <yofel> hehehehe
[16:42] <shadeslayer> ah, if you ever want to lose your mind, you only need to look at packaging for mozilla products
[16:42] <shadeslayer> monkey-patch-upstream-files::
[16:42] <shadeslayer> an actual target in the make file
[16:44] <shadeslayer> I'm really looking forward to the alcohol tonight
[16:45] <yofel> sounds like fun, lets add a monkey-add-epoch-version function to our scripts
[16:45] <shadeslayer> only if I get a lifelong supply of Whiskey first
[16:46] <shadeslayer> and I'm not talking about Jack Daniels
[16:46]  * sitter cracks open a bottle of 酒
[16:47] <shadeslayer> sitter: since you're into japanese : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sZ_vwqwcE
[16:47]  * BluesKaj stays away from whiskey ...liver killer
[16:50] <sitter> ur taste in music
[16:50] <sitter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g
[16:51] <shadeslayer> autotune
[16:51] <shadeslayer> so much autotune
[16:52]  * BluesKaj keeps the audio system muted for the that very reason...distasteful sounds
[16:53] <sitter> pft
[16:53] <sitter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2meWkWqc-I
[17:05] <sitter> http://24.media.tumblr.com/83d6ac029e59535ed2dfbebea4a29991/tumblr_n3rxa1s4Wk1ttay5mo2_400.gif this me hitting retry on lp
[17:11] <sitter> launchpad is lying to me about the publishedness of things
[17:11] <sitter> oh it isn't
[17:11] <Sick_Rimmit> sitter: Don't push the RED Button...  I'm running the alpha-2 on my box and it's been working ok. Is there anything that needs to be done?
[18:40] <soee> and kept back: baloo-kf5 libkf5baloo1 libkf5filemetadata-bin
[18:40] <yofel> shadeslayer: next-staging for vivid o.O?
[18:40] <manchicken> I can look at the QApt i18n stuff that Harald put on the Trello, or I can test some stuff... or I can do something completely different.
[18:40] <shadeslayer> soee: are you on vivid?
[18:41] <soee> shadeslayer: yes latest
[18:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's what sitter said
[18:41] <yofel> k
[18:41] <manchicken> I'll be doing it around 8PM US-Eastern time, so most of you guys will be asleep when I start, so I wanted to get a to-do list now.
[18:41] <soee> yofel: he said he wanted to clean it up anyway so he put it there
[18:41] <yofel> ah
[18:42] <soee> shadeslayer: should i care about this packages that are kept back ?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> soee: how are you upgrading
[18:43] <shadeslayer> manchicken: unfortunately Harald just went offline, Riddell isn't in, and I'm a bit out of the Kubuntu loop these days
[18:43] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[18:43] <soee> shadeslayer: apt full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade results with the same problem
[18:44] <shadeslayer> soee: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true
[18:44] <shadeslayer> and pastebin the output
[18:46] <soee> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9885728/
[18:47] <shadeslayer> kfilemetadata migration issues
[18:47] <soee> my fault ? :)
[18:47] <shadeslayer> nah
[18:48] <shadeslayer> soee: try : sudo apt install libkf5filemetadata3
[18:48] <shadeslayer> and see if that works
[18:49] <soee> shadeslayer: safe http://paste.ubuntu.com/9885790/ ?
[18:49] <shadeslayer> yeah go for it
[18:50] <shadeslayer> soee: then try upgrading
[18:50] <soee> yup
[18:58] <soee> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9885905/
[18:59] <shadeslayer> yeah I have that too
[18:59] <shadeslayer> plz be reporting on kubuntu-devel
[18:59] <soee> can i use force-overwrite ?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> mine https://paste.kde.org/p7ffibmt2
[18:59] <shadeslayer> sure
[18:59] <shadeslayer> I did
[19:00] <shadeslayer> but then if things break on my machine I can fix them myself usually
[19:00] <soee> :)
[19:00] <shadeslayer> I'm curious why libkwinxrenderutils5  wasn't removed before unpackging libkwinxrenderutils6
[19:02] <soee> uhm i can install them one by one isong fore-overwrite
[19:03] <soee> ok kombo worked
[19:03] <soee> sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" -f install
[19:03] <soee> :-)
[19:03] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:03] <soee> ok reboot, hope i came back
[19:06] <soee> back
[19:06] <soee> seems ok
[19:07] <soee> ok brb in 20 min, shower
[19:11] <ovidiu-florin> jose: ping
[19:12] <jose> ovidiu-florin: pong, it's being worked on
[19:12] <jose> at least it's on the queue
[19:12] <ovidiu-florin> the cms2cms gal keeps asking me when
[19:53] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Ping r u about ?
[20:07] <soee> shadeslayer: will you report the problems with 5.2 to someone ?
[21:11] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: hi
[21:11] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi
[21:11] <Sick_Rimmit> I have got some bad news today
[21:12] <Sick_Rimmit> My wifes grandfather passed away this morning, the funeral is at the weekend
[21:12] <Sick_Rimmit> :-(
[21:13] <Sick_Rimmit> I've emailed the Dev list, and am looking to make arrangements to ship Posters, Name Badges etc.. to Brussels
[21:13] <Sick_Rimmit> as I am not going to be able to be there
[21:14] <Sick_Rimmit> I was hoping that If I parcel all the stuff up, and ship it FAO your attention to your accomodation
[21:14] <Sick_Rimmit> that would solve that problem
[21:15] <Sick_Rimmit> I even got gifted round the neck name badge holders with 4Gb USB Keys today as well
[21:23] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: What do you think ? can I ship this stuff to you ?
[21:30] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: ug, terribly sorry to hear that
[21:30] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: ship it to the hotel in brussels?
[21:30] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes it's bad news and bad timing
[21:31] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes, shipping to your hotel, was my first idea
[21:31] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm just finishing packing it up, so I think it should get there in time ( i.e Friday )
[21:31] <Sick_Rimmit> fingers crossed
[21:32] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: I guess for that you'd need to check with the hotel first
[21:32] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: the other idea would be the guy in germany who's got the leaflets
[21:33] <Riddell> Andreas Cord-Landwehr
[21:34] <Riddell> "we will leave at Friday noon from Paderborn"
[21:34] <Riddell> so get it to him before then
[21:34] <Riddell> do you have his address?
[21:35] <Sick_Rimmit> I don't have his address
[21:35] <Sick_Rimmit> could you email it to me ?
[21:36] <Sick_Rimmit> I will get this shipped out tomorrow
[21:37] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: sent to your gmail address
[21:37] <Riddell> (second e-mail with phone number forwarded)
[21:38] <Sick_Rimmit> Thanks
[22:38] <soee> who should be pinged to add ported kdetelepathy to vivid ?
[22:38] <soee> mck182 said that there are widgets ported etc.


[00:06] <mwhudson> BasicOSX: that looks fairly embarrassing
[00:07] <BasicOSX> ?
[00:07] <BasicOSX> The error or my reporting of it?
[00:07] <mwhudson> BasicOSX: the error
[00:07] <mwhudson> i don't know if any bugs people are around now though
[00:07] <BasicOSX> when I click on it, wants me to auth, so I don't know what the error code says :-)
[00:07] <mwhudson> BasicOSX: i'd recommend filing a bug on malone
[00:07] <mwhudson> BasicOSX: right
[00:08] <matsubara> mwhudson: BasicOSX filed already. I'm triaging it and will ask one of the Bugs guys to take a look tomorrwo
[00:08] <mwhudson> matsubara: oh ok
[00:08] <BasicOSX> I filed bug report for it in LP itself.
[00:09] <kiko> BasicOSX, I'm looking
[00:09] <BasicOSX> bug 370117
[00:09] <kiko> BasicOSX, oh, very interesting
[00:09] <kiko> BasicOSX, what's the product you're using?
[00:10] <kiko> it is assuming that the remote product is set to use sourceforge and has an ampersand in it
[00:10] <kiko> but the data seems wrong
[00:10] <BasicOSX> http://sourceforge.net/projects/netrek/ is the product? Never heard or seen the word product
[00:11] <kiko> BasicOSX, so it's launchpad.net/netrek?
[00:11] <BasicOSX> lp/mactrek
[00:12] <kiko> BasicOSX, is it meant to use SF or launchpad?
[00:12] <kiko> for bug filing I mean.
[00:12] <BasicOSX> Attempting to do MultiProjectBugs
[00:13] <kiko> BasicOSX, you can't do that for a single upstream
[00:13] <BasicOSX> mactrek is branch of SF project
[00:13] <BasicOSX> bug in mactrek may or may not be in SF project code base
[00:13] <kiko> BasicOSX, but do you want bugs on it to be reported there?
[00:14] <kiko> basically I think you want to do something we don't support today
[00:14] <kiko> I think you want to have one bug with a task against netrek in sourceforge and another against mactrek
[00:14] <BasicOSX> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/MultiProjectBugs I wanna do that
[00:14] <kiko> BasicOSX, show me the bug you filed?
[00:15] <BasicOSX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mactrek/+bug/370106
[00:16] <BasicOSX> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2139750&group_id=165507&atid=835696
[00:16] <kiko> BasicOSX, okay, and you want to link that to the bug in sourceforge?
[00:16] <BasicOSX> I would like to link 370106 to SF 2139750
[00:17] <kiko> you can't do that.
[00:17] <kiko> I realize why you want to do it
[00:17] <kiko> but you can't
[00:17] <kiko> BasicOSX, either a project uses sourceforge or it uses launchpad
[00:17] <kiko> it can't use both at once
[00:17] <kiko> multiproject bugs is for different projects
[00:17] <kiko> i.e.
[00:17] <BasicOSX> hmm, how is that any different then https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/MultiProjectBugs and the "Bugs in external trackers" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/24220
[00:17] <kiko> a bug which affects mactrek and, say, the compiler at the same time
[00:18] <kiko> BasicOSX, it has to be multiple projects. it can't be the same upstream twice
[00:18] <kiko> you can ask me why and I could explain but basically it is a limitation of the system
[00:18] <kiko> which I now think we should fix!
[00:19] <BasicOSX> Mozilla Thunderbird is different project then mozilla-thunderbird (Debian) ?
[00:19] <kiko> yes.
[00:19] <kiko> Mozilla Thunderbird is the upstream mozilla.org project
[00:19] <BasicOSX> I have mactrek (Display name OSXTreak) as 1 project and sourceforge-mactrek as another project, how is that different? :-)
[00:19] <kiko> mozilla-thunderbird (Debian) is the Debian package of it.
[00:20] <kiko> you have a sourceforge-mactrek?!
[00:20] <BasicOSX> yes
[00:20] <kiko> I see
[00:20] <kiko> okay I am not going to interfere :)
[00:20] <BasicOSX> sourceforge-mactrek's bug tracker is linked SF bug tracker
[00:20] <kiko> let me just fix the data up
[00:20] <kiko> yeah
[00:20] <kiko> I realize
[00:21] <BasicOSX> reading the MultiProjectBugs stuff I got that regardless of where the bug tracker lives, the project must be reg'd with launchpad
[00:22] <kiko> yeah, it's right
[00:22] <kiko> okay
[00:22] <kiko> so can you try doing the same thing you did before?
[00:22] <kiko> I think I fixed the data
[00:22] <BasicOSX> taking clue from mozilla project, I did sourceforge-mactrek, linked to SF bug tracker, maybe I misunderstand, like I previously stated, the multi-project/cross-project bug info is not very easy to understand and there is not documentation on how to set it up.
[00:23] <kiko> yeah, it's complicated and bad
[00:24] <kiko> but can you retry your operation?
[00:24] <BasicOSX> we are attempting to migrate to LP, but many think data and knowledge will be lost on a migration, so I'm attempting to pacify them
[00:24] <kiko> BasicOSX, understood
[00:25] <kiko> we can actually import bugs from SF
[00:25] <BasicOSX> mactrek is silly, think only 1 bug left open :-(
[00:25] <kiko> gotcha
[00:25] <kiko> okay then
[00:27] <BasicOSX> kiko:  did I set something up wrong that you had to "fix the data"?
[00:27] <kiko> yeah, the remote project data
[00:27] <kiko> but it is just completely crazy to expect you to know how to fill that out for sourceforge
[00:28] <BasicOSX> ahh the Remote project
[00:28] <BasicOSX> It's not just the ID it's the whole url?
[00:28] <kiko> I have no actual idea
[00:28] <kiko> the person who wrote that code is in trouble
[00:29] <BasicOSX> ok, looking at my sourceforge-mactrek, only thing I see changed is the "Remote Project"
[00:29] <BasicOSX> Anyways thank you and the netrek community thanks you
[00:30] <kiko> BasicOSX, you guys rock, I am so happy to have you with us
[00:33] <cody-somerville> I love netrek!
[01:01] <kirkland> does anyone know if this is per year?
[01:01] <kirkland> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=230
[01:05] <mwhudson> kirkland: yes
[01:05] <mwhudson> at least i think so
[01:05] <kirkland> mwhudson: it's ambiguous :-)
[01:05] <mwhudson> kirkland: can you pester someone to get that clarified?
[01:05] <mwhudson> :)
[01:05] <kirkland> mwhudson: heh
[01:05] <kirkland> okay
[01:06] <spm> kirkland: mwhudson: yes. :-) https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208 - or. if not, it's wrong in multiple places :-D
[01:08] <rowinggolfer> I'm livid.
[01:08] <rowinggolfer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/370134
[01:09] <rowinggolfer> good night
[01:41] <wgrant> spm: A and a few others have been getting 502s from edge this morning.
[01:41] <wgrant> Occasionally.
[01:41] <spm> wgrant: oopsid?
[01:41] <wgrant> spm: Actually, not just edge it seems.
[01:41] <wgrant> spm: 502s don't OOPS.
[01:42] <spm> oh proxy error. right.
[01:43] <wgrant> Are all of the appservers happy?
[01:59] <spm> wgrant: yes and were. I have my firming suspicions...
[01:59] <wgrant> spm: What's it look like?
[02:09]  * BUGabundo reads topic
[02:09] <BUGabundo> nothing there
[02:09] <BUGabundo> LP down?
[02:10] <BUGabundo> "Please try again                    Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.         "
[02:10] <lifeless> spm: ^
[02:11] <BUGabundo> I talked to wgrant a bit ago
[02:11] <BUGabundo> because hggdh reported some OOPs on Production server/version
[02:22] <BUGabundo> so known bug?
[02:25] <spiv> BUGabundo: without more details it's impossible to sy
[02:25] <spiv> "say", rather
[02:26] <BUGabundo> ok
[02:26] <BUGabundo> I'll try to get a few oops
[02:28] <spiv> BUGabundo: even saying what page / what you were doing would be a start :)
[02:28] <spiv> Launchpad is a large app with many parts.
[02:28] <BUGabundo> sure
[02:28] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/366678
[02:28] <BUGabundo> failed to redirect me to edge, and showed me that error
[02:29] <spiv> BUGabundo: FWIW, it redirected me, and I don't get an error.
[02:30] <BUGabundo> spiv: now it does for me too
[02:31] <Ursinha> works for me as well
[02:31] <BUGabundo> but I never got anything like that before
[02:34] <BUGabundo> hi hggdh
[02:34] <BUGabundo> can you describe what happened to you ?
[02:36] <hggdh> many times these last days I try to open a LP page and get a "sorry there was a problem with LP (etc) please wait a few minutes and try again (etc)". Last one was while I was trying to apport a kernel oops
[02:36] <mwhudson> hggdh: the OSAs are looking at this issue now
[02:39] <spm> *** Question for those having observed these issues: is it ONLY on edge? or originally on edge? I'm guessing no.. but. ???
[02:39] <BUGabundo> spm: hggdh doesn't use edge
[02:39] <georgethebandit> it wont work
[02:39] <hggdh> spm, I *do* not use edge
[02:39] <hggdh> sigh. I do *not*
[02:39] <BUGabundo> and for me it happened just before I got redirect to edje
[02:40] <spm> cool. that does help. ta.
[02:40] <Ursinha> edje is an enlightenment lib :P
[02:40] <BUGabundo> is what Ursinha?
[02:40] <hggdh> edje (as opposed to edge)
[02:40] <Ursinha> BUGabundo, what hggdh said
[02:41] <georgethebandit> i second that
[02:41]  * BUGabundo is lost
 and for me it happened just before I got redirect to ***edje***
[02:41] <hggdh> :-)
[02:43]  * BUGabundo is even loster now
[02:43] <Ursinha> thanks hggdh :)
[02:43] <Ursinha> omg
[02:43] <Ursinha> what's wrong with you man
[02:43] <Ursinha> :)
[02:43] <BUGabundo> sleep deprived?
[02:43] <Ursinha> edJe != edGe
[02:43] <BUGabundo> 3am here
[02:43] <BUGabundo> Ursinha: is was a clear typo
[02:44] <Ursinha> sure, and that was a clear joke
[02:44] <georgethebandit> i was lost
[02:44] <Ursinha> hggdh just followed me :)
[02:44] <Ursinha> georgethebandit, are you okay now? :)
[02:45] <georgethebandit> yes
[02:45] <georgethebandit> i think i get it
[02:45] <Ursinha> :)
[02:45] <BUGabundo> I almost never get sarcasm or some jokes....
[02:45] <hggdh> all hail pinot noir!
[02:45] <BUGabundo> and I'm even worse trying to do sarcams
[02:45] <hggdh> sorry BUGabundo
[02:45] <BUGabundo> so I just avoid it
[02:46] <Ursinha> BUGabundo, I made a note to add a </joke> tag when talking to you this late :P
[02:46] <BUGabundo> eheehh
[02:46] <BUGabundo> okay. that will help
[02:46]  * BUGabundo blond, sleepy guy smiles
[03:13] <zu22> hi can somneone help me with LP?
[03:13] <zu22> i want to join this project but i see no button or link for doing so: https://launchpad.net/mactrek
[03:14] <zu22> i am already logged in with LP account
[03:14] <lifeless> there may be a /team/ you can join
[03:14] <zu22> oh
[03:14] <zu22> how do i join that?
[03:14] <lifeless> well, if there is one, then on the team's home page there is a 'join this team' link
[03:14] <lifeless> that said, you don't need to be in a team to contribute to a project
[03:14] <lifeless> what is it you want to do with mactrek ?
[03:14] <zu22> i want to find bugs
[03:15] <zu22> and report them
[03:15] <lifeless> so, download the code, and report bugs  :)
[03:15] <zu22> ok :)
[03:15] <zu22> i never used objective C before so this may be weird
[03:15] <zu22> i am used to regular ANSI C :)
[03:15] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/mactrek and https://bugs.launchpad.net/mactrek
[03:15] <zu22> lifeless: thanks
[03:15] <zu22> i need learn svn syntax
[03:16] <zu22> so i can get code with svn
[03:16] <zu22> i normally use darcs
[03:16] <lifeless> the code is in bzr
[03:17] <lifeless> not svn ;)
[03:17] <lifeless> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~tanner/mactrek/trunk
[03:17] <hggdh> just got the error message again "Please try again"
[03:29] <poolie> thumper/jml: interesting question in http://blog.launchpad.net/general/new-privacy-features-for-commercial-subscribers
[03:29]  * thumper looks
[03:30] <thumper> hmm
[03:31] <mwhudson> i think the answer should be "yes, but carefully"
[03:31] <jml> right.
[03:32] <jml> tbh, I don't understand the linked bug
[03:32] <mwhudson> i think it's basically a soyuz bug
[03:33] <mwhudson> but yeah, "embargoed" is pretty ambiguous
[03:34] <poolie> i posted to that effect
[03:34] <poolie> it's awaiting modification
[03:34] <poolie> iirc you can ask for the feature to be enabled and then it'll be turned on?
[03:35] <thumper> not necessarily
[03:38] <jml> poolie: what do you think is particularly interesting about the question?
[03:39] <poolie> it's not _super_ interesting, but 1- it went unanswered for a while; 2- he is (or was) a bit of a fudster but it's possible to give a reasonable answer; 3- it's something mark talked about last week
[03:41] <poolie> oh woo!
[03:41] <poolie> i love the new +filebug form with options to set state
[03:41] <poolie> anyhow i filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/370170 as a handle
[04:37] <wgrant> That bug looks to me like it's just requesting a normal Zope security policy...
[05:44] <tansell> how big can your ppa achieve be?
[05:49] <spm> tansell: within reason. :-) We'll increase as needs be, if you ask for more via Answers.
[05:50] <tansell> spm, is there a default limit? I seem to remeber seeing something about 1g but can't find it now
[05:50] <spm> yes 1Gb is the default
[05:50]  * tansell goes to request more
[05:51] <spm> heh
[05:51] <spm> tansell: give me the answer link in < 5 mins and I'll increase here'n'now :-)
[05:52] <tansell> which project should the question be under? Launchpad or ubuntu?
[05:52] <spm> launchpad
[05:53] <spm> turutosiya: please don't do that
[05:53] <turutosiya> sorry
[05:53] <turutosiya> misoperated
[05:56] <tansell> spm, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/69460
[05:57] <spm> tansell: have increased to 2. see how you go with that; we can always increase more.
[05:59] <tansell> spm, okay - but I have yet to get to building python-ogre itself :(
[07:54] <anyr> Please, hel me. I just install jaunty and can't change screen resolution from 720x350 to any other (video radeon x600).
[07:59] <al-maisan> anyr: I am afraid you are in the wrong room here, try #ubuntu
[07:59] <anyr> sorry
[07:59] <al-maisan> no problem :)
[10:01] <SiDi> Hello people
[10:01] <muteW> Hi, just a quick question.
[10:02] <SiDi> When there's a LP question talking about something illegal (ie in this case "hi i downloaded program X and i wanna run it"), should we only reject the question or should it be completely deleted ?
[10:02] <muteW> I am running Ubuntu 9.04 on an old Acer laptop and have been having these frequent lockups where the entire system freezes.
[10:02] <muteW> The only way out is to either reboot or use the Magic SysRq key to do a clean reboot..
[10:02] <bigkevmcd> muteW: try #ubuntu
[10:03] <Spads> muteW: apropos of this channel, run ubuntu-bug from a terminal
[10:03] <rowinggolfer> mrevell :) thanks!
[10:03] <muteW> ok
[10:06] <Vantrax> any launchpad administrators here?
[10:14] <matt2> Launchpad been dodge for a week?
[10:15] <matt2> *day
[10:16] <Vantrax> a little bit
[10:17]  * matt2 is excited because he created a branch of some code
[10:17] <matt2> could get my scout badge for contributing to free software
[10:19] <SiDi> matt2: :)
[10:20] <wgrant> What's dodgy about it?
[10:20] <matt2> just unreliable, getting "launchpad is busy" errors
[10:55] <bigjools> wgrant: the bug you just filed, I have a feeling it's a dupe but I can't for the life of me find one
[10:56] <bigjools> aha
[11:19] <wgrant> bigjools: I don't think that's a dupe.
[11:19] <wgrant> But I suppose it'll be fixed at the same time.
[11:20] <bigjools> wgrant: read the original description, it's talking about changing the text depending on whether you have upload privs or not
[11:20] <wgrant> bigjools: True.
[11:49] <gnomefreak> when is the plan to add karmic to PPA?
[11:49] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Done.
[11:50] <wgrant> Days ago.
[11:50] <gnomefreak> wgrant: oh ok i didnt see it in sources.list drop down
[11:50] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Because you have no Karmic packages in your PPA.
[11:50] <wgrant> See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas for the list of supported DAS.
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ah ok thanks, i was waiting for it in sources list. Ill be back someone that shouldnt be here is :(
[11:51] <wgrant> Pardon?
[11:53] <mirak> hi
[11:54] <mirak> when you approve somebody to a team, what this person can do on the ppa ?
[11:54] <mirak> does someone needs to be moderator to upload packages ?
[11:54] <bigjools> mirak: they will gain upload privileges to the team's PPA
[11:55] <mirak> bigjools: can they also delete packages ?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> i'm hearing things
[11:55] <bigjools> yes
[11:55] <mirak> bigjools: so it's a very bad idea to make a team public
[11:55] <mirak> I guess
[11:56] <mirak> or anyone should upload to it's own ppa then copy the packages to the team ppa ?
[11:56] <bigjools> mirak: well, you need to decide who needs upload privs and control the team accordingly
[11:56] <mirak> ok I missed this configuration panel then
[11:56] <bigjools> it depends on who is a member of the team that owns the PPA
[11:58] <wgrant> I've been wondering if the privilege granularity of teams is insufficient. Creating lots of teams doesn't seem like a great solution, and there are things like separating membership approvals and mailing list moderation that are impossible in the current model.
[11:59] <mirak> bigjools: I can't find what you are talking about
[11:59] <bigjools> indeed, we need the concept of roles
[11:59] <bigjools> mirak: it's simple, if you're a member of the team that owns the PPA, then you can upload/delete
[11:59] <bigjools> if you're not, you can't
[12:00] <mirak> bigjools: ok, I didn't understood what you meant
[12:00] <wgrant> bigjools: Until a couple of years ago there was only one type of administrative role, so I guess it's a new problem.
[12:00] <bigjools> wgrant: yes, the use of teams has expanded a lot
[12:01] <bigjools> Curtis might have something up his sleeve
[12:01] <mirak> the problem here is that you can't trial someone
[12:01] <mirak> you can accept just one person that will wreck your ppa
[12:01] <mirak> without him having to prove that he can upload packages
[12:01] <mirak> or even want to
[12:01] <bigjools> mirak: in that case, let them use their own PPA and you can copy his packages into yours
[12:02] <mirak> ok, I should check then if they are doing packages
[12:02] <mirak> at least on their ppa
[12:02] <wgrant> The required proliferation of teams is a bit crazy and looks bad.
[12:03] <bigjools> I agree
[12:03] <wgrant> Although multiple PPAs is a good start at fixing that :)
[12:04] <mirak> ok, the guy have no ppa at all yet. For that first one joining the team, I will let him join as it. but fo the other ones I will ask them to upload the packages on their own ppa first.
[12:04] <bigjools> it took a while :)
[12:05] <mirak> is there a way to have in a ppa different categories, like main universe multiverse ?
[12:05] <bigjools> mirak: no, PPAs don't have components
[12:05] <wgrant> bigjools: But... wasn't that feature removed just before the initial PPA deployment? I saw a bug in the last few weeks beforehand about fixing the implementation to work with only one PPA per user.
[12:05] <bigjools> but you can have multiple PPAs for the same team/person
[12:05] <mirak> so we can't manage restricted packages
[12:05] <wgrant> Multiple PPAs per Person is a much better solution that components.
[12:06] <bigjools> yep
[12:06] <mirak> that's what I did
[12:07] <mirak> have you heard about flamewars on ppa teams already ?
[12:07] <bigjools> no, really?
[12:07] <mirak> like repository killing
[12:07] <mirak> and stuff ?
[12:08] <mirak> bigjools: I haven't !! it's a question ^^
[12:08] <bigjools> oh :)
[12:08] <wgrant> Most people only add trusted people to their PPA teams, I suspect.
[12:08] <wgrant> And most people aren't evil.
[12:08] <bigjools> mirak: no, I've not heard of that happening
[12:09] <mirak> anyway going to the process of creating a gpg key and stuff is anoying enough to not wanting to be blacklisted ^^
[12:09] <mirak> through/to
[12:31] <eraser> Hello! Is there something going on with server today?
[12:31] <eraser> It's impossible to translate anything. Continious errer message from site bugs ... Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[12:42] <bigjools> eraser: we're aware of the problem, someone is looking into it, thanks.
[12:47] <phoozle> Is anyone having problems on Launchpad Answers?
[12:47] <intellectronica> phoozle: what kind of problem are you having?
[12:48] <phoozle> Im supplying an answer and I get this error: Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[12:48] <phoozle> should I just give it some time?
[12:48] <bigjools> phoozle: : there's a general timeout problem, someone is looking into it
[12:48] <phoozle> ok cheers
[12:49] <phoozle> the person im supporting just posted 3 duplicated questions so that could be related also.
[12:49] <wgrant> Aha, good to see somebody is looking into it - I hit that a bit 12 hours ago.
[13:05] <cemc> hi. problems with launchpad? i noticed yesterday and today it gives me a lot of 'please try again'
[13:06] <jpds> cemc: They are working on it.
[13:06] <cemc> cool, thanks
[13:06] <Goundy> lp is written in php right ?
[13:07] <bigjools> Python
[13:07] <Goundy> ah
[13:07] <Goundy> bigjools full python ?
[13:07] <bigjools> I don't understand your question, what do you mean by full?
[13:07] <Goundy> bigjools I mean the whole plateforme is python based there's no other techno ?
[13:08] <bigjools> Oh I see, yes pretty much, apart from the javascript and there's a few C extensions for performance critical parts
[13:08] <Goundy> Nice
[13:12] <jarnos> There are problems in connecting to the Launchpad server. I frequently get the "Please try again" page.
[13:13] <jpds> jarnos: Known problem, they're working on it.
[13:20] <dfinf2> Hey, I can't seem to connect to the Launchpad server...Trying to download Furius ISO Mount
[13:21] <binarymutant> will it be posted here when the known problems are fixed?
[13:21] <bigjools> yes
[13:22] <binarymutant> cool ty
[13:24] <TomHal> launchpad is slowing downnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[13:25] <pmatulis> ANNOUNCEMENT: Launchpad.net is experiencing severe trouble.  STOP CONNECTING
[13:27] <theoldfellow> I can't report a bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ is saying tell you herer.
[13:27] <jpds> theoldfellow: See /topic.
[13:28] <elmo> pmatulis: please don't say that
[13:28] <theoldfellow> propably all that Jaunty update bugs..  :)
[13:29] <theoldfellow> anyone know how to make Preferred Applications work - it keeps trying to use Evolution ?
[13:30] <rowinggolfer> theoldfellow: it?
[13:30] <theoldfellow> Jaunty - Open Office for instance.
[13:30] <jpds> theoldfellow: Try #ubuntu for general support questions.
[13:30] <theoldfellow> OK, thanks.
[13:35] <TomHal> pmatulis: I have a product to get out today.  Any idea when LP will be responding quicker?
[13:36] <bigjools> anyone who's experiencing problems, is it on the edge servers too?
[13:37] <bigjools> and does anyone have any OOPS IDs please
[13:39] <VK7HSE> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/927280/Screenshot-Please%20try%20again%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png
[13:39] <VK7HSE> can't login to try sorry :(
[13:39] <bigjools> ugh nasty, thanks
[13:40] <jpds> bigjools: I don't get a problem accessing my code page on edge.
[13:41] <pmatulis> TomHal: no, sorry
[13:41] <satansaunt> so, question about football manager 2009
[13:42] <satansaunt> can i run it in xubuntu 9.04? or do i still have to keep booting into windows...
[13:42] <bigjools> jpds: we see the same, thanks for confirming
[13:42] <satansaunt> which, by the way, i really don't like having to do
[13:42] <TomHal> pmatulis: is it certain id's links, ??????
[13:42] <jpds> satansaunt: Try asking in #xubuntu, this channel is for Launchpad support.
[13:43] <jpds> bigjools: No problem.
[13:43] <satansaunt> there's no one there to answer my question, that's why i asked here
[13:43] <binarymutant> satansaunt, ask in #ubuntu then :P
[13:46] <gmerrick> Morning all.  I'm having an issue with Volume Applet 2.26.0 on Jaunty and would like to know where I should file a bug report on it
[13:48] <bigjools> gmerrick: run "ubuntu-bug"
[13:49] <jpds> gmerrick: Probably https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets - #ubuntu-bugs will be able to help you too.
[13:49] <bigjools> jpds: the distro guys would rather people used ubuntu-bug
[13:50] <jpds> bigjools: True, just pointing out the package.
[13:50] <gmerrick> heh.  Unless you know the actual package ubuntu-bug doesn't help much.  Looks like it is a part of gnome-applets, according to synaptic.
[13:51] <mnemo> how long until it's fixed?
[13:51] <bigjools> mnemo: we don't know yet
[14:21] <bigjools> it should be fixed now
[14:22] <andol> bigjools: Well, LP works fine for me now anyway :) Thanks!
[14:22] <bigjools> good to hear
[14:26] <gmerrick> Thanks for the help.  Got that bug posted now the sites' working
[14:28] <mnemo> what is the correct package for text error on help.launchpad.net website?
[14:28] <mnemo> i.e. which package for this bug --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/370342
[14:28] <mirak> is it possible to create binary deps with a different version but from the same source. depending of the sources it was built against ?
[14:29] <wgrant> mnemo: You can fix it yourself, or reassign the bug to the launchpad-documentation project.
[14:29] <wgrant> mirak: How are you specifying the binary dependencies?
[14:32] <wgrant> mirak: You assigned the bug to the team, rather than changing its target.
[14:32] <wgrant> Er, mnemo ^^
[14:33] <mnemo> wgrant: hmm, should I not assign it to the team?
[14:33] <wgrant> mnemo: No, you should instead change the project.
[14:33] <wgrant> In the top field.
[14:34] <wgrant> Assigning people is generally not a good idea.
[14:34] <mnemo> ah, you mean the package?
[14:34] <wgrant> (unless it's you)
[14:34] <wgrant> mnemo: It's a project, not a package.
[14:34] <wgrant> Although packages can have bugs targetted to them too, this is not one of those.
[14:35] <mnemo> yea ok I think its corrected now?
[14:35] <wgrant> mnemo: Yep, that looks good.
[14:37] <mnemo> wgrant: hey, what about this bug btw? --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/369221   i wonder if this part of launchpad is open source? if so, is it possible for me to fix that bug myself and attach a debdiff or so?
[14:38] <wgrant> mnemo: That part of Launchpad will be open source in nearly three months.
[14:39] <mnemo> wgrant: ok, what do you think about the chances of someone on the LP team taking on this bug?
[14:39] <mnemo> I feel its a pretty nice improvment
[14:39] <wgrant> mnemo: I don't know. I'm just a user.
[14:39] <mnemo> oh I see :)
[14:40] <mnemo> in case anyone from canonical's launchpad team is here, please have a look at this tiny feature request and see what you think! thanks :)   --https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/369221
[14:40] <mnemo> there
[14:40] <mnemo> i hope they will implement this change
[14:40] <wgrant> If not, you can try in a few months.
[14:43] <mirak> wgrant: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.8), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), vdr-abi-1.7.6
[14:44] <wgrant> mirak: You specify those manually in debian/control?
[14:44] <mirak> wgrant: there is a subst variable wich value came from vdr-dev package
[14:45] <wgrant> What is the line in debian/control?
[14:45] <wgrant> mirak: ^^
[14:46] <mirak> wgrant: what I don't find nice is that if I upgrade vdr abi, then I am forced to also upgrade the changelog of the plugin, and only this, just to have a different binary name.
[14:46] <wgrant> mirak: Which changelog of which plugin?
[14:46] <wgrant> And why?
[14:53] <mirak> wgrant: of all plugins
[14:54] <mirak> wgrant: because how can I rebuild them otherwise ? and how can the previous vdr version have it's plugins ?
[14:54] <wgrant> mirak: I must be missing some context here. What plugins are depending on what?
[14:54] <mirak> wgrant: vdr have a lot of plugins
[14:55] <wgrant> mirak: And those plugins depend on vdr-abi-X.Y.Z?
[14:55] <mirak> wgrant: yes
[14:55] <wgrant> mirak: You need the binary packages to have a different version number, so you need to upload a new source version, so you need to add a new changelog entry.
[14:56] <wgrant> There's no way around it.
[14:57] <mirak> wgrant: that's what I complain about
[14:57] <wgrant> mirak: So, the answer to your initial question is 'No'
[14:57] <mirak> wgrant: I see no reason to change the source version when the source is exactly the same
[14:58] <mirak> wgrant: ok
[14:58] <mirak> lol
[14:58] <wgrant> mirak: The binary version comes from the source version. It might at some point be possible to do binary-only rebuilds which append something to the version, but that's a bit ugly and not possible at this time.
[14:58] <mirak> wgrant: I mean here there should be a mecanism that just name the binary package version according to some version of the source package it depends
[14:59] <mirak> wgrant: ok, at least people though about that
[15:00] <mirak> wgrant: I don't feel it's ugly, it's just logical. since a source can produce a different binary output there is no reason that the binary package keeps the same version name if they can vary
[16:01] <mirak> the lpia architecture on ubuntu is 32 bits ?
[16:10] <Vantrax> pretty sure
[16:25] <mirak> where are the repository for lpia ??
[16:35] <tsimpson> mirak: http://ports.ubuntu.com
[16:37] <mirak> tsimpson: ha right
[17:21] <aleksander_m> hi all... I get a connection refused (Errno 111) when using dput to upload a new package to my PPA
[17:21] <aleksander_m> Any hint?
[17:21] <bigjools> aleksander_m: can you show me your dput.cf please?
[17:22] <Spads> aleksander_m: The upload service is undergoing brief maintenance at the moment
[17:22] <aleksander_m> yesterday I could do it...
[17:22] <aleksander_m> let me pastebin it
[17:22] <Spads> PPA uploads will be unavailable for a brief time.
[17:22] <bigjools> aleksander_m: ok don't worry
[17:23] <aleksander_m> http://pastebin.com/mabab4ca
[17:23] <aleksander_m> ah ok
[17:23] <Spads> aleksander_m: I'll let you know when it's ready for you.  Apologies for the inconvenience.
[17:23] <aleksander_m> no problem
[17:24] <aleksander_m> my battery will die quite soon, so I'll leave it for this evening :-)
[17:24] <aleksander_m> thanks and cheers
[17:39] <Spads> PPA uploads will now function again as expected.
[17:58] <bjfs> Since I'm new to PPAs then I ask if there's some app that allows user to select a given PPA to his or hers repo on sources.list ?
[18:22] <c_korn> hello, my upload was rejected due to this reason: http://pastebin.com/d7eefc768
[18:37] <al-maisan> c_korn: could you please try again?
[18:37] <al-maisan> This may be fall-out from the difficulties we had today..
[18:46] <c_korn> al-maisan: same error again
[18:46] <al-maisan> hmm..
[18:46] <c_korn> http://pastebin.com/d4e7074cd
[18:49] <c_korn> that was a no orig upload. https://launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive/ppa
[18:49] <al-maisan> what is a "no orig" upload?
[18:51] <c_korn> the orig tarball was already uploaded. I only did a debuild -S -sd and uploaded the diff.gz, dsc and source_changes file. but no tarball
[18:52] <al-maisan> c_korn: how was the orig tarball uploaded beforehand?
[18:53] <c_korn> debuild -S -sa includes the tarball in source_changes. so it was uploaded at first time
[18:54] <LarstiQ> did the upload with the orig succeed?
[18:54] <flacoste> no
[18:54] <flacoste> that's probably the issue
[18:55] <flacoste> the PPA box was offline for a short while to put new disks in
[18:55] <c_korn> the upload with orig was successful before
[18:55] <flacoste> c_korn: can you create a complete uploade and try again?
[18:55] <c_korn> ok
[18:55] <al-maisan> good idea.
[19:01] <c_korn> also rejected: http://pastebin.com/d374f7c18
[19:01] <al-maisan> c_korn: could you please also paste the changes file for the failed upload?
[19:03] <c_korn> mail: http://pastebin.com/d3f95d678 changes: http://pastebin.com/d7c1e84cd
[19:03] <al-maisan> thanks.
[19:10] <al-maisan> c_korn: we are analyzing the problem and have a first "clue"..
[19:12] <c_korn> ok, thanks. I have to leave now
[19:32] <Demophobie> Hey! Is .../.../languages/de/.../test.po enough to let the system find what language i have in the trunk?
[19:40]  * maxb wonders if there's a timetable for how the PPA buildd pool grows and shrinks
[19:50] <mirak> Rejected:
[19:50] <mirak> Unhandled exception processing upload: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/srv/launchpad.net/ppa-queue/incoming/upload-20090501-182251-000012/~mirak-mirak/ubuntu/tmpUzp-jE'
[19:51] <elmo> mirak: see /topic
[19:52] <mirak> elmo: thanks
[20:03] <elmo> ok, PPA upload problems are fixed
[20:03] <maxb> Any news on when there might be some more builders available?
[20:03] <elmo> mirak, c_korn: ^--
[20:03] <elmo> maxb: early next week
[20:04] <maxb> My PPA is broken because the arch-any packages have built but the arch-all ones haven't
[20:05] <maxb> I suppose I should register a /staging secondary PPA, build new uploads in that, and then write something using launchpadlib to sync them over when fully built
[20:06] <flacoste> maxb: why can''t you simply ask for a rebuild?
[20:09] <maxb> flacoste: The problem is version skew between arch-all and arch-any binary packages, because the i386 builders are running far behind
[20:09] <flacoste> maxb: then i guess your staging idea isn't a bad one
[20:10] <maxb> Am I just missing it, or is there no launchpadlib way to delete packages?
[20:14] <flacoste> maxb: i don't find it
[20:15] <flacoste> maxb: you should file a bug on soyuz to add it
[20:34] <Goundy> guys... I just noticed something weird.... well I might be wrong but...
[20:34] <Goundy> When I visit the description page of lp I see: Publish your work. Collaborate with free software communities.
[20:35] <Goundy> But right now, while browsing the registred projects I noticed that some are PROPRIETARY projects
[20:35] <Goundy> What the hell is that ?
[20:35] <Demophobie> someone here who understands something about translation in lauchpad?
[20:36] <Goundy> actually I know that Free doens't mean open source but as stated before lp is presented as a plateforme for open source software
[20:36] <Goundy> or Am I wrong ?
[20:39] <maxb> Goundy: Free projects can use Launchpad for free. Proprietary projects who want to use Launchpad can pay to do so.
[20:39] <Goundy> maxb Ah I get it now... This should be stated in the description page don't you think so?
[20:40] <maxb> Well, it does describe the primary purpose of Launchpad :-)
[20:40] <Goundy> Heh not wrong :)
[20:42] <c_korn> elmo: sure that the issue is fixed? I uploaded about 30min ago but it was neither rejected not accepted
[20:42] <Goundy> maxb anyway thanks for your hint :)
[20:42] <elmo> c_korn: gack, sorry.  epic crontab replacement failure
[20:43] <elmo> c_korn: fixed, and processing now
[20:45] <c_korn> elmo: thanks, it got accepted now
[20:46] <flacoste> Goundy: yeah, we have meant to update that front page with the correct message, it's very well hidden that you can host your proprietary project on LP
[20:47] <Goundy> hmm question: I left my lp project for a while, due to the time I spend achieving my internship. Does lp delete inactive projects ?
[20:47] <flacoste> Goundy: but maxb is right, the main focus is collaboartion with free software
[20:47] <flacoste> Goundy: no
[20:47] <Goundy> flacoste yea I get it thank you :)
[20:47] <Goundy> oh that's sweet (project deletion) :) thanks
[20:47] <flacoste> Demophobie: you can ask, if i'm not able to help you out, the best thing will be to file a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[20:49] <Demophobie> flacoste: thanks. Do u think ../de/LC_MESSAGES/test.po would be enough to let the system automatically catch what language i mean?
[20:51] <flacoste> Demophobie: wow, i don't know. I think not, but best to file a question on launchpad, everyone working on translations is on holiday today
[20:52] <Demophobie> flacoste: ah ok - i think i will commit it and try - he? :D
[20:52] <flacoste> yeah, the worst that can happen is that it will stick in a queue for manual approval
[20:52] <Demophobie> right :D
[21:25] <Demophobie> flacoste: doesnt work - "need's review" :(
[21:25] <flacoste> that's what i thought
[21:25] <flacoste> only de.po is automatically approved
[21:26] <Demophobie> damnit
[21:26] <Demophobie> :D
[21:26] <flacoste> you could file a bug for that other format if it's widely used
[21:26] <Demophobie> when will it be committed? ;) hmm
[21:27] <Demophobie> flacoste: what about .../de/LC_MESSAGES/de.po
[21:27] <Demophobie> will that be ok?
[21:27] <flacoste> maybe?
[21:27] <flacoste> i have honestly no idea
[21:35] <Demophobie> flacoste: hm D:
[21:35] <Demophobie> :D
[21:36] <Demophobie> worth a try lol
[21:53] <bx2> hi all
[21:53] <bx2> is there any way to remove project from launchpad?
[21:55] <Snova> I think you need to file a question on answers.launchpad.net somewhere.
[22:10] <Demophobie> flacoste: i give up
[22:11] <Demophobie> flacoste: ../languages/de/LC_MESSAGES/de.po doesnt work!!! :(
[22:12] <Demophobie> The files are named language.po now - and still the system doesnt like it!
[22:13] <Demophobie> i'm unhappy lol
[22:20] <popey> i just used ubuntu-bug to file a bug and got "Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication." when i finally submitted it
[22:21] <cavedon> I am still not able to upload to my PPA
[22:21] <cavedon> I get:
[22:21] <cavedon> Rejected:
[22:21] <cavedon> Could not find person ''
[22:23] <flacoste> popey: there was an app server restart just 10 minutes ago, retry it should work fine now
[22:23] <flacoste> cavedon: is this a first time?
[22:25] <popey> thanks flacoste
[22:26] <cavedon> no, I was getting this a couple of hours ago
[22:26] <cavedon> popey: in the past I never had this problem
[22:26] <cavedon> popey: mhm, it is the first time upload since installing jaunty
[22:27] <flacoste> cavedon: can you file a question answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+addquestion ?
[22:27] <cavedon> sotty, previous messages were for flacoste, not popey
[22:27] <flacoste> i'll make sure someone in the know follows-up
[22:28] <cavedon> flacoste: tnx
[22:37] <mirak> 180.51-0ubuntu1+ppa3 <= 180.51-0ubuntu1-ppa2  ???
[22:37] <mirak> I really don't understand the versions
[22:38] <Demophobie> flacoste: ok made it /languages/de.po , fr.po etc now
[22:38] <Demophobie> flacoste: if that doesnt work, i get mad :D
[22:38] <flacoste> Demophobie: hang on here
[22:39] <flacoste> Demophobie: is this in a branch?
[22:39] <flacoste> mirak: + sorts before -
[22:43] <mirak> someone told me the reason is that the version compared are 180.51 <= 180.51-0ubuntu1
[22:43] <mirak> because the last minux matter
[22:43] <Demophobie> flacoste: yes its in a branch
[22:45] <Demophobie> flacoste: it doesnt work - i give up lol
[22:46] <flacoste> Demophobie: that's the best i can find https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+faq/173
[22:46] <flacoste> Demophobie: i suggest you ask a question about what is the proper naming convention so that we can expand this
[22:46] <Demophobie> flacoste: i looked at other projects and they alle had /language/de.po and so on
[22:46] <Demophobie> i think i will wait  a day
[23:05] <popey> 23:05:39 < ubottu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/370557/+text)
[23:06] <popey> just got that when i mentioned a bug
[23:10] <Demophobie> flacoste_afk: ok thx - we will see - but my actual settings must work - hope this problem fixes itself :D
[23:12] <cavedon> flacoste_afk: sorry, it was my fault, I forgot I had moved the dput configuration :(
[23:24] <tumbleweed> is it just me, or do bzr branches take a lot longer to sync on edge.lp than they used to?
[23:26] <tumbleweed> it's not too bad when you are using ssh, but when psuhing with ssh and pulling via http on another box, the 15 minute wait is *painful*
[23:44] <asac> hmm something is wrong ... zillions of builds waiting in queue, but all builders idle https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/
[23:44] <asac> any idea?
[23:46] <Ampelbein> asac: seems to have resolved, all builders are busy right now.
[23:46] <asac> yeah


[06:03] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:15] <EriC^^> morning all!
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[06:15] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> would firefox update use about:config settings from previous or reset again?
[06:28] <EriC^^> !ping
[06:31] <EriC^^> !ping
[06:34] <ducasse> good morning
[06:36] <EriC^^> !ping
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:37] <EriC^^> !ping
[06:37] <EriC^^> good morning ducasse
[07:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:10] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[07:10] <ducasse> all well?
[07:11] <lordievader> Hey ducasse doing good here
[07:11] <lordievader> How are you?
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[07:12] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:12] <ducasse> ok here, except getting gradually buried in snow :)
[07:12] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:12] <lordievader> Found your browser problem yet?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: just found out about:config continues to next update FF
[07:14] <lordievader> Those settings are saved in a sqlite database in your profile, right?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: i played with previous FF settings so think it might be a mess
[07:26] <lordievader> Removing the profile should fix that....
[07:26] <lordievader> It also clears all the rest of the config though.
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> work time, have a nice1 guys
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[16:33] <TJ-> !info weechat trusty
[18:03] <nicomachus> !info irssi trusty | TJ- better software is better
[18:04] <TJ-> irssi cannot run my script though
[18:04] <oerheks> internet relay script storage interface ?
[18:06] <daftykins> i rarely see some intelligence
[18:07]  * oerheks didn't finish highschool
[18:17]  * TJ- didn't finish Perl school and doesn't want to - a language designed to get lost in!
[18:26] <nicomachus> aw, Perl can be fun!
[18:26] <TJ-> if you like your fun to be obtuse! I programmed in Perl for a few years and I still get lost in it


[10:56] <wolfger> good morning
[11:06] <rick_h_> morn
[11:09] <wolfger> s/^/September /  :-D
[11:10] <wolfger> and there's your earworm for the day
[13:05] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:05] <cmaloney> wolfger: I hate you.
[13:05] <wolfger> :-D :-D :-D
 I looooove you! </bugsbunny>
[13:10] <rick_h_> ruh roh, I sense a disturbance in some gaming force
[13:12] <cmaloney> ?
[13:13] <cmaloney> There's plenty of disturbances
[13:13] <rick_h_> cmaloney: the hate part
[13:13] <cmaloney> Oh, to wolfger?
[13:13] <rick_h_> yea
[13:13] <cmaloney> That was for the earworm
[13:14] <rick_h_> oh
[13:14] <cmaloney> I haven't had cuppa joe #1.
[13:14] <cmaloney> It's too early for Neil Diamond
[13:28] <wolfger> I think what's best about that earworm is that I forced you to actually work for it to get it.
[13:36] <brousch_> Hey Detroitoids, where would you go for talks on Raspberry Pi, Arduino, and such?
[13:37] <brousch_> i3?
[13:50] <cmaloney> That might be the more consistent place
[13:51] <cmaloney> though we're looking for speakers for October at MUG
[13:51] <cmaloney> Raspberry Pi / Arduino would be pretty cool. :)
[13:51] <cmaloney> Were someone to give a talk about it. :)
[13:52] <brousch_> I'm actually asking for a Detroit-area friend who was interested
[13:52] <cmaloney> Those are the only two that I'm confident would have something at some point
[13:53] <cmaloney> MDLUG might as well
[13:53] <jrwren_> i3 has talks?
[13:53] <cmaloney> I don't know. I think they have sessions perhaps?
[13:53] <brousch_> Hm, it will only cost me $25 in gas to go to Detroit and back with my new car. That's nice.
[13:53] <cmaloney> brousch_: We'll pay for dinner. :)
[13:53] <jrwren_> only?
[13:53] <jrwren_> what were you driving before?
[13:53] <jrwren_> what are you driving now?
[13:54] <cmaloney> Prius now
[13:54] <brousch_> Was a 2002 Toyota Sienna minivan. Now it's a 2010 Prius. Gets better than 2x the old MPG
[13:54] <cmaloney> That's kind of an unfair comparison though
[13:54] <cmaloney> minivans are really inefficient transportation
[13:54] <cmaloney> unless you have more than 4 people w/ equipment
[13:55] <brousch_> You won't do much better than 45MPG unless you have a Tesla or that 2 seater Honda hybrid
[13:57] <brousch_> What night of the week is MUG?
[13:57] <cmaloney> Second tuesday of the month
[13:57] <cmaloney> 6:30pm-8:45pm w/ dinner afterward
[13:59] <brousch_> wow, long meeting
[14:00] <brousch_> I'm also working on a series of Inkscape talks. Giving the first one next week at WMLUG
[14:02] <brousch_> I'll think about it. Pester me again in a few days.
[14:06] <mrgoodcat> bad news... turns out i can't actually make CHC tonight
[14:06] <rick_h_> booooooo
[14:07] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I'm sorry to hear that. :(
[14:07] <mrgoodcat> i've been trying to make it
[14:08] <mrgoodcat> i have a class every other wednesday night though
[14:08] <mrgoodcat> and i've had a lot going on at home
[14:08] <rick_h_> party time!
[14:10] <brousch_> mrgoodcat: Bring the family!
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> ha
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> i brought my brother once
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> he didn't understand
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> "everybody just sits around and codes"
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> uh.... yea
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> coffe house CODERS
[14:12] <brousch_> You don't talk?
[14:13] <brousch_> cmaloney: You are coming back for more abuse?
[14:14] <cmaloney> brousch_: Yeah, I'm trying to improve my game.
[14:14] <cmaloney> and if I can just figure out your capturing strategy then I can defeat you. :)
[14:14] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Well, I probably scared him away with the GURPS talk. :)
[14:15] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: naw. he's in the gaming club at OCC
[14:15] <mrgoodcat> gaming being role playing
[14:16] <brousch_> The difference I see between your moves last game and people who whoop me is they tend to have more lone stones 1 space away from a thread
[14:16] <brousch_> It gives you a place to retreat to
[14:17] <brousch_> So for instance black stones at H3 and L10 http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=927569
[14:17] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/JiCGPv - DGS - Game #927569,104
[14:17] <cmaloney> brousch_: yeah, I didn't give myself anywhere to run
[14:17] <brousch_> So if I creep across his lines, those lone stones limit the movement
[14:50] <cmaloney> http://ohiolinux.org/program/session-schedule
[14:50] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/YzUhFH - Schedule | Ohio LinuxFest 2014 - The Future of Free
[14:50] <cmaloney> Looks like there's some more advanced talks
[14:50] <cmaloney> although WTF: There's actually talks on Friday.
[14:52] <brousch_> Are you going?
[15:05] <cmaloney> I'm planning on it
[15:06] <cmaloney> JoDee and I usually go unless there's a special occasion.
[15:06] <brousch_> You stay Friday night?
[15:15] <cmaloney> We usually get there on Friday night
[15:15] <cmaloney> or day depending on how quickly we get our shit together.
[15:15] <cmaloney> and then leave on Sunday morning / afternoon (again, depending on said shit gathering)
[15:17] <brousch_> Ah, so you spend 2 nights
[15:21] <cmaloney> Yeah
[15:21] <cmaloney> It's like a mini-vacation for us
[15:22] <brousch_> In ... Columbus, OH?
[15:22] <cmaloney> Between PyOhio and Linuxfest I think Ohio is our vacation getaway.
[15:23] <rick_h_> lol
[15:23] <brousch_> We need a tech conference on Mackinac Island
[15:24] <cmaloney> Isn't Mackinac expensive?
[15:24] <brousch_> Not if you stay off-island
[15:24] <cmaloney> I think that's how they can afford to have free conferences: nobody wwants to be in Ohio.
[15:24] <brousch_> I'm quoting you on that next time I see Eric Floer
[15:25] <cmaloney> Great
[15:25] <cmaloney> He'll probably retort that we'll have to pay people to come to Michigan.
[15:25] <brousch_> tweet that first part
[15:26] <cmaloney> You tweet it. :)
[15:28] <brousch_> fine
[15:30] <cmaloney> See, when you say it that way it sounds mean. :)
[15:31] <brousch_> I am required to be mean to Columbus, OH. It's right in the degree certificate.
[15:53] <wolfger> ha
[15:55] <rick_h_> he! we talk at CHC! Or..at least I talk and generally gripe about something
[15:55] <rick_h_> this one time I asked about cmaloney's cat...promise
[15:56] <wolfger> talks on Friday but not Sunday?
[15:58] <wolfger> http://ohiolinux.org/sessions/how-write-computer-language
[15:58] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/gySFMB - How To Write a Computer Language | Ohio LinuxFest 2014 - The Future of Free
[15:58] <wolfger> Is it just me, or is he cramming way too much into a one hour talk?
[16:07] <cmaloney> wolfger: Possibly.
[16:08] <cmaloney> rick_h_: yeah, I think I remember that day. :)
[16:09] <wolfger> I counted ~13 topics he "wants to discuss". If he doesn't wait for stragglers, doesn't waste time on self-introduction, and doesn't allow questions, that gives him a hair over 4 minutes per topic.
[18:21] <cmaloney> I'd love to know on what planet this is considered "Pop"
[18:21] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[18:21] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - Cortex Deformation by Trauma on Archetype Of Chaos
[18:39] <cmaloney> I <3 it when I realize that one of the reasons I'm running into problems with an external system is because the naive call that I'm doing is creating / destroying a socket for each connection.
[18:40] <cmaloney> and it gives me a speed increase to boot.
[18:40] <cmaloney> go figure
[18:48] <cmaloney> plus
[19:06] <PhillyMelt02> Wanted to find out if the MUG meeting is held at the library on Liberty Street or Twelve Mile?
[19:27] <cmaloney> Hi PhillyMelt02
[19:27] <cmaloney> It's at the 12 mile location
[19:27] <cmaloney> Should have directions on the site at http://mug.org
[19:27] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/XzBZ0f - Michigan!/usr/group | mug.org – A Michigan-based Linux and UNIX Free and Open Source Community
[19:31] <PhillyMelt02> Thanks.  Didn't see that at the bottom there.
[19:57] <cmaloney> I really wish the UPS truck had a different sound than the schoolbus
[19:57] <cmaloney> nothing good was ever delivered by a schoolbus.
[20:48] <brousch_> Not true!
[21:01] <cmaloney> heh