[00:05] <Nikedia> Hello
[00:05] <hamitron> hi
[00:05] <Nikedia> Don't suppose you know how to update ayttm as there website on sourceforge has an update
[00:06] <hamitron> erm
[00:07] <hamitron> have you installed it through the repositries?
[00:07] <Nikedia> I am running Mint.. so I installed it via the software manager
[00:07] <popey> there's barely any difference between 0.6.2 in ubuntu and 0.6.3 on their website
[00:07] <popey> Nikedia: we don't provide support for mint :)
[00:07] <Nikedia> what about Facebook?
[00:07] <Nikedia> do you know if it has facebook?
[00:07] <popey> o_O
[00:07] <Nikedia> chat that is..
[00:08] <popey> the website doesn't mention it
[00:08] <popey> http://ayttm.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ayttm/ayttm;a=blob_plain;f=ChangeLog;hb=AYTTM_0_6_3
[00:08] <hamitron> facebook has chat? :|
[00:08] <popey> nothing on that page mentioning facebook
[00:08] <popey> yes hamitron
[00:08] <popey> welcome to last year
[00:08] <hamitron> k ;)
[00:08] <popey> :)
[00:08] <Nikedia> lol
[00:08] <Nikedia> thats cool. thank you for your help as I know you dont support Mint..
[00:09] <popey> have you tried pidgin?
[00:09] <hamitron> a pleasure anyway :)
[00:09] <popey> i believe there is a facebook chat addon for that?
[00:09] <Nikedia> yeah crashes
[00:09] <hamitron> :/
[00:09] <Nikedia> when you attempt to load up the network it crashes :S
[00:10] <popey> :S
[00:10] <popey> sorry, you've reached the end of my knowledge on the subject
[00:10] <popey> I don't have a facebook account
[00:10]  * hamitron neither
[00:10] <popey> ^5
[00:10] <Nikedia> ok no problems.. thank you for your assistance.
[00:11] <popey> np
[00:11] <hamitron> hmmm, I should update from ICQ to skype or google chat :/
[00:11] <ali1234> Nikedia: you have three choices:
[00:12] <ali1234> you can get the source package from mint repositories, update the source code inside to newest version, fix all debian patches, and rebuild it
[00:12] <ali1234> or, you can remove the deb package and install from source. but then you won't get updates
[00:13] <hamitron> or quit facebook
[00:13] <hamitron> ;)
[00:13] <ali1234> or, you can bug the debian maintainer to do it for you, then bug the mint maintainer to import the new debian package
[00:13] <Nikedia> yeah that sounds good..  leave fb lol
[00:13]  * hamitron as non-productive as normal ;/
[00:13]  * Nikedia Agrees
[00:14] <Nikedia> not that I know you.. sorry
[00:14] <hamitron> :)
[00:16] <hamitron> use the source as a temp solution sounds easiest
[00:16] <Nikedia> prob not gonna bother tbh,,
[00:16] <hamitron> even easier
[00:16] <Nikedia> too much hassle for just an chat client
[00:16] <ali1234> install ubuntu, pidgin works on ubuntu...
[00:16] <hamitron> hehe
[00:16] <ali1234> i'm using it right now...
[00:16]  * hamitron too
[00:16] <Nikedia> lol
[00:17] <hamitron> not crashed for over 8 months
[00:17] <Nikedia> i normally use Trillian but its windows only :*(
[00:17] <ali1234> although i don't have facebook plugin installed... maybe that makes it crash
[00:17] <ali1234> i have used pidgin + facebook xmpp before... but that isn't as good apparently
[00:18] <hamitron> what is Empathy?
[00:18] <hamitron> :|
[00:19] <hamitron> it has facebook chat
[00:19] <ali1234> !info empathy
[00:19] <ali1234> it's only the default IM program on ubuntu...
[00:19] <Nikedia> yeah that doesnt connect either :S just displays network connection error..
[00:19] <hamitron> I am only a partial ubuntu user....
[00:28]  * hamitron sighs
[00:29] <hamitron> 41gb hdd free, need 105gb
[00:29] <hamitron> ;)
[00:29] <UtrinqueParatus> Does anyone have any experience installing workstation 7.0.0 in ubuntu 10.10 x64?
[00:29] <UtrinqueParatus> vmware ^
[00:30] <hamitron> no
[00:31] <hamitron> if not supported at time of release, do they still provide a patch to compile?
[00:31] <hamitron> anyany or something
[00:31] <UtrinqueParatus> there is a patch and i have applied it which got me past the kernel headers issue but now its failing to rebuild vm modules
[00:34] <hamitron> http://pario.no/2010/10/02/installing-vmware-workstation-7-1-1-64-bit-on-ubuntu-10-10/
[00:34] <hamitron> not sure though, so read carefully
[00:34] <UtrinqueParatus> yeah i tried everything there earlier today
[00:34] <UtrinqueParatus> thanks thoug
[00:35] <hamitron> k :/
[00:35] <UtrinqueParatus> s/thoug/though
[00:54] <hamitron> coffee and refreshments time I feel
[00:54] <hamitron> brb
[01:04] <hamitron> bk
[01:51] <UtrinqueParatus> can anyone recommend anything similar to visio to create HLD's?
[02:48] <enthdegree> w/c
[07:18] <MonsterKiller> Hey. I have a file in a dir called hldsupdatetool.bin but when i do ./hldsupdatetool.bin it says it doesnt exist.
[07:18] <MonsterKiller> http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbeesbrerjhhwj
[07:18] <MonsterKiller> idk whats wrong :/
[08:16] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:16] <MooDoo> monsterkiller: does it have execute permissions?
[08:19] <AlanBell> o/ all
[08:20] <MooDoo> AlanBell: morning
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning earthlings
[08:27] <kazade> morning all
[08:27] <diplo> Morning all
[08:32] <danfish> lo
[08:33]  * danfish notes that TheOpenSourcerer is in 'alien overlord' mode today
[08:34] <MooDoo> danfish: shhh don't say that, he's watching....
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> so that's what all those CCTV cameras are for
[08:34] <MooDoo> isn't that right....er my lord :)
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: ah! Alan "Alien Over" Lord?
[08:36] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yup :)
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> hiding it in plain sight
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> clever!
[08:38]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes to look for his laser gun...
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> ♫ "The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a million to one", he said
[08:40] <dwatkins> Great radio play, that, MartijnVdS :)
[08:41] <dwatkins> ...and good morning fellow humans
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it's the only way to picture alien invasion of Britain.. cylinders from Mars :)
[08:41] <DJones> Morning all
[08:47] <AlanBell> million to one chances seem to comes up nine times out of ten
[08:47] <dwatkins> Indeed, AlanBell.
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: About one in four people think that, yes
[08:51] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:51] <MooDoo> czajkowski: morning, how are you feeling today?
[08:51] <czajkowski> no improvement
[08:52] <czajkowski> but made it into office
[08:52] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ok just checking :)
[08:56] <gord> good morning all
[08:57] <jpds> Moin.
[08:58]  * czajkowski pokes jpds
[08:58] <czajkowski> ello
[09:02]  * dwatkins discovers that Virgin Media never cancelled his account despite saying they had
[09:03] <MooDoo> dwatkins: still been paying for it?
[09:03] <dwatkins> MooDoo: they agreed to back-date the charges, but I was, yes.
[09:04] <MooDoo> dwatkins: well as long as you're getting the money back :)
[09:04] <dwatkins> yeah, MooDoo - I shouldn't have had to call up, but ultimately, yes.
[09:10] <Daviey> dwatkins, the same happend with me... except i had cancelled the DD.
[09:11] <dwatkins> Daviey: I also cancelled the DD, so I'll have to pay them manually, I expect. Oh well, their fault, ultiimately.
[09:11] <dwatkins> I knew I should have written to them.
[09:15] <Daviey> dwatkins, I did write to them, they only listened when i quoted the royal mail tracking number...
[09:15] <dwatkins> Daviey: yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they ignored a letter for a month anyway.
[09:16] <jpds> Letter? Don't people use emails nowadays?
[09:18] <dwatkins> jpds: they can get lost also
[09:19] <popey> morning
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - QT Libs/Apps in Natty+1 by default? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568
[09:21] <Myrtti>  ho-hum. neck and shoulder is still really sore.
[09:22] <Myrtti> I'm slowly starting to be annoyed by this impairment
[09:23] <czajkowski> MooDoo: tried a hot shower to help relieve some of the pressure
[09:23] <czajkowski> bah
[09:23] <Myrtti> no, not yet
[09:24] <czajkowski> Myrtti: tried a hot shower to relieve, put the pressure on the spots
[09:24] <Myrtti> had to turn the laptop on to atleast look like I'm in work
[09:24] <czajkowski> should help losen the tension there
[09:24] <Myrtti> although I can do that on my phone, found a relatively good XMPP client for Android
[09:24] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i see what you did there, moo is quite the same as myr ;)
[09:25] <Myrtti> but yeah, not yet. I'm planning to, might even venture out to find a pharmacy and try to get some medication
[09:28] <czajkowski> Myrtti: if you can get a heat pad they work a treat
[09:33] <dwatkins> Hope it doesn't last long, Myrtti.
[09:34] <dwatkins> My arms are aching today, but it's mostly self-inflicted from excercise.
[09:35] <BigRedS> see, excercise is bad for you
[09:36] <dwatkins> BigRedS: only if you don't do enough of it.
[09:36] <DJones> Have to agree BigRedS, people who exercise always seem to have more injuries than people who don't
[09:37] <dwatkins> DJones: that's quite a sweeping generaliation.
[09:37] <dwatkins> Also, I broke my ankle in 2001 and wasn't excercising at the time.
[09:37] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Qt :)
[09:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> I note similar consequences of exercise to DJones.
[09:38] <Myrtti> I ruptured two discs in 2007 and I still don't have all the sensation back on my right leg
[09:39] <gord> qt is nice, but i have a hard time thinking of any qt applications i actually want/need =\
[09:39] <gord> skype is qt i guess right?
[09:39] <popey> yeah
[09:39] <popey> digikam?
[09:39] <DJones> dwatkins: Thats just from personal experience, although I have to exclude my wife who gets injured sitting on the couch
[09:39] <popey> amarok?
[09:39] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> I wonder if there is a "killer" app that SABDFL wants in Ubuntu...
[09:39] <Myrtti> Scribus
[09:39] <popey> other than thunderbird?
[09:39] <gord> well i have gtk equivalents that i prefer over them
[09:39] <Myrtti> there is not Scribus equivalent imo
[09:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: TB is not Qt as you well know. Trouble maker. ;-)
[09:40] <gord> scribus ain't getting on the CD anytime soon i think
[09:40] <popey> I didnt say it was :p
[09:40] <Myrtti> gord: well, no, but it uses Qt
[09:40] <DJones> Myrtti: My wife did that a few years back, she still has regular spells of pain & discs moving causing problems, don't think it'll ever go away
[09:40] <Myrtti> you weren't limiting your "applications I actually want/need" to those that would be on the cd
[09:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyway - off to a meeting. Back laterz. Now GET BACK TO WORK ALL OF YOU!!!!
[09:41] <dwatkins> DJones: oh wow, I hope she's ok
[09:41]  * popey gets back to work
[09:41] <gord> but i just DID some work the other day!
[09:41] <gord> :(
[09:41] <Myrtti> DJones: yup, same with me - I have trouble shaving my right leg because I can't feel where the blades are
[09:41] <j0nr> I personally think exercise done properly keeps you less prone to injury.
[09:41] <Myrtti> atleast I can feel my toes nowadays
[09:42] <j0nr> depends on the exercise obviously
[09:43] <j0nr> I used to work out with weights, I have been off it for a few years now, due to job and kids, and feel awful, cant sit on the floor for too long, simple jobs make my muscles ache, cos my body is not used to being used. Feel much more likely to sprain something
[09:43] <DJones> dwatkins: She's ok generally, but working in a job with a lot of driving to patients and constant bending over them once she gets to their house does put strain on it
[09:48] <DJones> j0nr: Thats just a consequence of increasing age :)
[09:48] <dwatkins> DJones: yeah, I can well imagine - I had problems with my back in the past, so can relate to that
[09:48] <dwatkins> I was surprised that my brother started doing dancing, but he seems a lot healthier for it.
[09:48] <dwatkins> He's nearly 40, and has 2 kids.
[09:50] <DJones> We did that a couple of years ago & it was surprising how much it helps to tone up
[09:51] <dwatkins> I have a colleague who does capoeira, sounds like fun but also sounds pretty hard.
[09:51] <MooDoo> dwatkins: lots of spins and kicks :)
[09:51] <dwatkins> Like kick-boxking, I guess.
[09:51] <MooDoo> dwatkins: not really
[09:51] <dwatkins> oh ok
[09:52] <MooDoo> dwatkins: it's more like a dance [ish]
[09:52] <dwatkins> So I gather, yes.
[09:53] <Nafallo> capoeira is a brazilian street dance, yes.
[09:53] <MooDoo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8xxgFpK-NM
[09:53] <DJones> We want to start dancing again, its just trying to find classes & a time when we could fit it in
[09:53] <jpds> Nafallo: You would know.
[09:54] <Nafallo> jpds: I would indeed.
[09:54] <Nafallo> it was one of the other martial arts I concidered before I started Muay Thai.
[09:55] <MooDoo> escrima is pretty good :)
[09:55] <MooDoo> aikido is good as well, but for someone 6'6 it's a pain being thrown to the floor all the time lol
[09:56]  * Nafallo will still prefer Muay Thai, it's just enough violent.
[09:56] <Nafallo> ;-)
[09:57] <MooDoo> Nafallo: yes in deed :)
[09:57] <Nafallo> at least that's the main reason I did that one :-P
[10:09] <j0nr> DJones: Yeah I know, but I do feel if I were more active I would feel more capable to sit on the damn floor!
[10:09] <j0nr> I lock up if I sit cross-legged on the floor for too long. am only 32!
[10:10] <DJones> j0nr: Just do what I do, don't sit, just sort of crumple in a heap
[10:10] <j0nr> When th boys grow up a bit (both under 3 atm) then I will get back into looking after myself a bit more. Just no time at the mo
[10:10] <j0nr> DJones: Heh heh
[10:10] <popey> j0nr: no you wont :)
[10:11] <MooDoo> j0nr: i know that feeling :D
[10:11] <j0nr> popey: :) don't spoil my illusion
[10:15] <squig> join #python
[10:16] <squig> oops!
[10:16] <bigcalm> popey: hehe aww
[10:16] <bigcalm> 20 mins a day on the wii fit - I'm feeling fine
[10:17] <bigcalm> Humm, gmail being slow for anybody else today?
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: not slower than usual
[10:17] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it's hanging on the loading screen for me
[10:18] <bigcalm> Usually experience no lag at all
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: if it hangs on "Loading" it'll offer the HTML version, won't it?
[10:18] <DJones> bigcalm: Its fine for me
[10:18] <bigcalm> It does, but I don't want to use that
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but does that work?
[10:18] <bigcalm> Then I shall blame Virgin Media!
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: maybe you should disable some labs bits?
[10:19] <bigcalm> We’re sorry, but your Gmail account is temporarily unavailable.
[10:19]  * bigcalm grumbles
[10:19] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:19] <bigcalm> Logging out and back in fixed things
[10:19] <DJones> Morning Silver_Fox_
[10:20] <Silver_Fox_> Hello DJones ,  how are you?
[10:20] <MooDoo> Silver_Fox_: hello
[10:20] <Silver_Fox_> Hi MooDoo :)  How are you doing?
[10:20] <DJones> Silver_Fox_: Not bad thanks, you ok?
[10:20] <MooDoo> Silver_Fox_: i'm fine thanks for asking :)
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: rotten cookie :)
[10:21] <Silver_Fox_> Thats wonderful to hear MooDoo
[10:22] <MooDoo> Silver_Fox_: and what about your good self?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> hm.. I like that letterfu idea for the "my printer works" test page :)
[10:23] <Myrtti> I wonder how long I should have stood under the shower to make the shoulder ok. The water pressure here is quite high, even higher than in Finland - started to feel the rust smelling water would start peeling my skin off soon
[10:23] <Silver_Fox_> Erm, I'm alright I guess MooDoo .  I think I am well again =)
[10:23] <czajkowski> Myrtti: about 10-15 mins can help
[10:24] <czajkowski> but the heat pad will work wonders
[10:24] <bigcalm> Having a shower head that can pulse the water flow can help
[10:26] <DJones> That reminds me I need to unblock the pulse part of our shower head
[10:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski: Myrtti you can also get cold pads, they help as well
[10:26] <MooDoo> Silver_Fox_: been poorly?
[10:27] <Silver_Fox_> MooDoo,  Well I took my first sick day in 2/3 years yesterday :)
[10:28] <MooDoo> Silver_Fox_: oh dear, not this flu thing that's going around?
[10:28] <gord> i have heard a lot of people speak wonders about heat pads
[10:28] <Silver_Fox_> I'm alright though,  just keeping busy with some projects, the forums and real life  @ MooDoo
[10:28] <MooDoo> Silver_Fox_: good good :D
[10:29] <Myrtti> I wish I were sickly in UK or Finland, this sucks
[10:29] <czajkowski> MooDoo: Myrtti or get a can of deep heat and cover the area
[10:29] <Silver_Fox_> Flu / cold thing.  Sort of reared its head last friday about 3ish
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: unless it's a tendon, then cold > heat
[10:30] <MooDoo> Silver_Fox_: yup i've had it myself :(
[10:31] <Silver_Fox_> Oh and my usual banter with Joeb454 has been keeping me quite busy. Speaking of which must go find him...
[10:31] <MooDoo> Silver_Fox_: banter rocks :)
[10:31]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski
[10:36] <Laney> argh
[10:36] <Laney> I charge my phone overnight, and in the morning it has the same battery level as it did when I went to sleep
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> Laney: somewhere in the 90-100% range?
[10:37] <Laney> no, that would be understandable
[10:37] <Laney> it was on 'low battery'
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> Laney: are you using a "real" charger, or an USB port on a computer?
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> Laney: is the phone running some CPU/battery-intensive task in the background?
[10:38] <Laney> it was a real charger, and no I closed everything
[10:38] <Laney> always possible something is running though I suppose
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> time to buy a new charger :)
[10:39]  * Laney runs top
[10:40] <Laney> yeah well it was an old nokia charger run through an adaptor to micro-usb
[10:40] <Laney> so I suppose that could be suspect
[10:40] <DJones> How old is the battery, could be faulty
[10:41] <Laney> up to a year I suppose
[10:42] <Myrtti> Laney: N900? does the USB port wiggle? :-/
[10:42] <winterweaver> how do I kill an app that I started in the terminal, after I pressed ctrl-Z instead of ctrl-C? It says the program is still running
[10:42] <Laney> fg will resume it
[10:42] <Laney> Myrtti: yes, and I haven't noticed that
[10:42]  * Laney looks
[10:42] <Myrtti> be careful
[10:43] <Laney> doesn't seem wiggly. Strange thing is that it always says that it's charging.
[10:43] <Laney> I've seen it say that the phone is drawing more power than it's getting before, but that didn't happen either
[10:44]  * Laney spots http://mynewn95.blogspot.com/2010/01/n900-battery-not-charging-after.html (and it did discharge completely)
[10:46] <winterweaver> thx
[10:47] <Laney> winterweaver: ctrl-z is 'suspend', you can then run 'fg' to get the task back to the foreground or 'bg' to continue it in the background
[10:48] <winterweaver> cool, hope I'll remember that in future :)
[10:53] <bigcalm> popey: dot to dot!
[10:53] <popey> :)
[10:54] <MooDoo> popey: bigcalm a dot to dot of sladen :)
[10:54] <popey> A dot to dot of a brompton!
[10:58] <Laney> letterfu is pretty cute
[10:58]  * Laney should read the ML sometime
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:01] <dogmatic69> o/
[11:11] <screen-x> morning :)
[11:22] <andylockran>  howdy
[11:23] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[11:23] <andylockran> you well
[11:23] <andylockran> ?
[11:23] <andylockran> top of the morning to ya
[11:27] <diplo> Azelphur, did you sort nagios ?
[11:35] <Azelphur> diplo, indeed, only to find out that my effort was largely ported as nagios is abandoned and forked now
[11:35] <Azelphur> :D
[11:37] <diplo> It's got forks but not abandoned though ?
[11:37] <diplo> I use nagios all over the place
[11:38] <Azelphur> diplo, oh ;p
[11:38] <Azelphur> diplo, apparently icinga is what I'm meant to be using
[11:38] <diplo> Was going to say you could just use check_procs
[11:39] <Azelphur> o.O
[11:39] <diplo> it's an alternative based on nagios code, I don't like it that much, i prefer some parts
[11:39] <DJones> Heh, Facebook has backtracked on letting applications have access to users addresses & mobile numbers
[11:39] <Azelphur> you dont like icinga?
[11:39] <diplo> Dont like all of it, like parts
[11:40] <Azelphur> :p
[11:40] <diplo> Centreon is nice but a biatch to configure, which is a front end to nagios
[11:40] <Myrtti> DJones: I didn't mind having my info on Facebook before, but now with the app access, I took them off
[11:41] <Azelphur> diplo, I mostly have nagios working anyway, just need check_game
[11:41] <DJones> Myrtti: I didn't have mine on, but it did make me go and double check that I didn't just in case I'd forgotten I'd put them on
[11:41] <Azelphur> I got nagircbot and nagdroid working :D
[11:43] <diplo> nice, will have to do a write up of your setup at some point, always interested in stuff like that :)
[11:43]  * dwatkins never put his mobile number on facebook for exactly this kind of reason
[11:43] <Myrtti> ujujujuuuuu I heard a little snap from my neck
[11:44] <BigRedS> I went to remove all my personal information from it the other day, and didn't fund any :)
[11:44] <DJones> I was tempted to put the phone of privacy international in mine :)
[11:44] <Azelphur> diplo, haha I hardly understand it myself
[11:46] <DJones> Myrtti: Hopefully the noise was something slipping back into place
[11:46] <dwatkins> I get that a lot from my neck, my wrists, my ankles and my back, Myrtti.
[11:47] <dwatkins> I gather it's nitrogen suddenly going back into a part of the joint.
[11:47] <livingdaylight> good moerning
[11:49] <Myrtti> what does "arm's length body" mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Council
[11:50] <popey> not close
[11:50] <DJones> Any transactions it makes are at arms length & not to benefit its own administrators
[11:51] <DJones> Myrtti: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Aboutus/OrganisationsthatworkwithDH/Armslengthbodies/DH_4105577
[11:54] <DJones> Maybe a better definition http://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/content/137/arms-length-government
[11:57] <Myrtti> right
[12:00] <DJones> It sounds like another name for a Quango
[12:02] <livingdaylight> Myrtti, something not to be touched with a barge pole, even?
[12:10] <czajkowski> danfish: you about ?
[12:11] <Myrtti> awwww was watching bbc news and changed the channel because it was boring and then realised other channels are in foreign :-(
[12:11] <popey> hah
[12:11] <popey> "In foreign"
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: but you understand foreign!
[12:11] <Myrtti> oooo pokemon
[12:12] <dwatkins> It appears an "arm's length body" is a quango, or quasi non-governmental organisation
[12:12] <Myrtti> ooo cnn
[12:12] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:12] <dwatkins> that's what wikipedia seems to think anyway.
[12:14] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: these people seem to speak the kind of foreign that makes little sense to me
[12:15] <AlanBell> dwatkins: it is something that isn't supposed to look political
[12:15] <dwatkins> AlanBell: aha I see
[12:24] <SuperMatt> I've just tried burning the natty iso to cd... it's too big
[12:25] <czajkowski> SuperMatt: its in the documentation, need to be a USB I think
[12:25] <SuperMatt> k
[12:25] <SuperMatt> can it be burnt to dvd?
[12:25] <AlanBell> or dvd
[12:25] <Laney> sometimes the ISOs get oversized during the course of a cycle
[12:30] <SuperMatt> yeah, it's no biggie, I have loads of blank dvds hanging around
[12:30] <SuperMatt> just for some reason it wasn't working on my usb
[12:33] <czajkowski> SuperMatt: oh likewise
[12:33] <czajkowski> where are you having issues?
[12:33] <SuperMatt> yeah
[12:33] <SuperMatt> uhm
[12:33] <SuperMatt> during boot
[12:33] <SuperMatt> something about not being able to read something
[12:34] <SuperMatt> dvd will do just fine though
[12:34] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/703552
[12:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: why does that read unity won't install, surely it should read ubiquity?
[12:36] <czajkowski> we're gonna blame the way you have to enter text
[12:36] <czajkowski> and ev didnt comment on it :D
[12:37] <SuperMatt> yup, dvd is working fine
[12:38] <czajkowski> so tis the USB!
[12:46] <SuperMatt> yeah, it's working flawlessly from the dvd
[12:47] <czajkowski> feckin usb
[12:49] <SuperMatt> next up: installing centos :/
[12:49] <davmor2> czajkowski: have you tried a different usb stick?
[12:49] <SuperMatt> that's one thing I don't care much for
[12:49] <SuperMatt> davmor2: it's me with the problems, and no
[12:49] <SuperMatt> I don't have a spare right now :(
[12:50] <davmor2> SuperMatt: czajkowski had a similar issue
[12:50] <SuperMatt> oh right
[12:50] <SuperMatt> well I'm installing natty on my test box, I wanna see what it's like these days
[12:50] <czajkowski> davmor2: yup
[12:52] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[12:52] <MooDoo> hello pr0ph3t
[12:53] <SuperMatt> oh god, grub won't install >.<
[12:54] <SuperMatt> I'll see if centos will install ok
[13:00] <screen-x> I have a printer shared via cups, how do I work out what the ipp url to access it is?
[13:03] <davmor2> screen-x: for what?  If it's ubuntu all you need to do is select show printers shared by other systems in printing.
[13:03] <screen-x> davmor2: the printer is shared by an ubuntu system, but I need to connect to it from an old CLI only suse install.
[13:04] <DJones> Do you not just got to http://ipaddress:631 and can pick the ip address/printer name up from there
[13:05] <screen-x> DJones: I  know the address and the printer name, but not sure how the url should be formed.. ipp://host/printer? ipp://host/queue/printer? etc
[13:06] <DJones> screen-x: Ah, ok, I did that to connect a shared printer to a windows box, but that was using the http:// address, not the ipp address
[13:07] <screen-x> DJones: maybe I could use http instead.. how did you form the url?
[13:07] <davmor2> screen-x: ipp://ipadress:631/printer/name of printer
[13:07] <screen-x> davmor2: thanks :)
[13:08] <davmor2> screen-x: sorry it's ipp://ipaddress:631/printers/name of printer
[13:08] <davmor2> not printer
[13:08] <screen-x> ok :)
[13:12] <popey> I CAN HAZ FALAFEL!
[13:12] <popey> that is all
[13:13] <popey> i have a premonition
[13:13] <popey> kaushal will arrive shortly...
[13:15]  * czajkowski steals popey FALAFEL!
[13:16] <Myrtti> chickpeas are EVIL
[13:16] <Myrtti> EVIL I TELL YOU
[13:16]  * popey has chickpeas too!
[13:17] <popey> It's a Feta & Falafel Snackpot from M&S.
[13:17] <czajkowski> sounds fancy
[13:17] <popey> "With butternut squash, cumin roasted carrot, chickpeas, spinach and tagine sauce"
[13:17] <czajkowski> getting used t chickpeas
[13:17] <popey> it's bloomin lush!
[13:17] <czajkowski> just had a chilli concarni
[13:17] <popey> I bought two :)
[13:17] <czajkowski> ohhh Cumin roasted carrot DIVINE
[13:18] <czajkowski> love roasted carrots with some honey over them
[13:18] <popey> ooo now..
[13:18] <popey> parsnips
[13:18] <popey> vegetable of the gods
[13:18] <popey> [FACT]
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> [citation needed]
[13:19] <Myrtti> cumin and chickpeas... please tell me it has raw celery stalks too
[13:19] <czajkowski> carrot and parsnip mash YUMMY!!
[13:19] <popey> nope Myrtti
[13:19] <popey> not quite fully evil on the Myrtti-scale
[13:20] <Myrtti> so it's just about edible, not downright dangerous
[13:20] <Myrtti> ok ;-)
[13:20] <popey> :)
[13:21] <czajkowski> popey: is Frimley the address or is it Frimley, Camberley,
[13:22] <popey> frimley, camberley, surrey
[13:22] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> *ey
[13:24] <popey> :)
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: so it's "Popey, frimley, camberley, surrey"
[13:24] <popey> interesting to note that if you draw a line from roughly liverpool to london, above the line you'll find towns ending in *by, but not below the line
[13:25] <popey> because thats as far south as the crazy vikings came
[13:25] <popey> and *by is "near a river" or something in danish/dutch/viking speak?
[13:26] <popey> MartijnVdS: sadly I don't live in frimley
[13:26] <popey> s/sadly//g
[13:26] <Myrtti> by is a village
[13:26] <Myrtti> in Swedish
[13:26] <Myrtti> if I'm not totally wrong
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> According to the Wikipedia page for Ytterby it is :)
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> (first Swedish -by place that came to mind)
[13:27] <Myrtti> how geeky
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: well, 4 elements were named after it.. :)
[13:28] <Myrtti> indeed
[13:28] <popey> Bronby is one place I worked in Denmark
[13:28] <popey> maybe Brondby
[13:28] <popey> with funny stuff over the o
[13:28] <JamesTait> Yeah, with the 'd' I believe.
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> popey: "bylaw" and "by-election" :)
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_forms_in_place_names_in_the_United_Kingdom_and_Ireland
[13:29]  * czajkowski is from Limerick a viking town
[13:29] <JamesTait> I don't know about the funny letters though.
[13:29] <czajkowski> :D
[13:29] <popey> ah, Brøndby
[13:29]  * DJones is also from a viking town "Widnes"
[13:29] <popey> MartijnVdS: by-by!
[13:29] <JamesTait> I wonder how that's pronounced, the 'o' with the line through it.
[13:29] <Myrtti> like ö in Finnish ;-)
[13:29] <Myrtti> *cough*
[13:30] <Myrtti> well, very close to it
[13:30] <JamesTait> Is that similar to the same letter in German?
[13:30] <brobostigon> JamesTait: maybe, german and the scandinavian languages are quite different.
[13:30]  * MartijnVdS is from "Alphen", which is an evolution of Roman "Albaniana"..
[13:31] <Myrtti> brobostigon: you mean they aren't
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albaniana
[13:31] <brobostigon> Myrtti: yes, :)
[13:32] <JamesTait> I once worked with someone who had a Danish girlfriend. When she spoke natively it sounded quite unlike anything I'd heard before.
[13:32] <JamesTait> Except maybe Dutch.
[13:33] <dogmatic69> welsh...
[13:33] <Myrtti> it does sound different, but it's still indo-european germanic language
[13:33] <dogmatic69> that is some wierd stuff
[13:33] <JamesTait> I find languages really interesting.
[13:33] <dogmatic69> same
[13:34] <JamesTait> I love the hear the different sounds and the similarities, some of them quite surprising.
[13:34] <JamesTait> s/the/to
[13:34] <dogmatic69> dutch is normallish to me, i am just about fluient with speaking/unerstading it
[13:35] <JamesTait> Dutch is somewhat recognisable to me, it sounds like a dialect of what little I remember of German.
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: try listening to some Frisian
[13:35] <Myrtti> I've studied Swedish for good six years in school, so I get the general whiff of most written/spoken germanic languages, it's surprising how much I've understood here in Berlin
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: it's more English-ish than Dutch
[13:36] <JamesTait> And my wife is South Africa, so I get to hear Afrikaans quite a bit. :)
[13:36] <czajkowski> lovely accent
[13:36] <JamesTait> Usually when I've done something wrong. :-P
[13:36]  * dogmatic69 is from SA
[13:36] <JamesTait> Like missed an 'n' off the end of African and made is sound like my wife is an entire country.
[13:36] <dogmatic69> hence understanding dutch :D
[13:36] <czajkowski> nicest is still the Weslh followed by Afrikaans followed by Boston accent
[13:37] <DJones> The last half hour seems to have solved the governments complaints that school children are studying the wrong subjects for GCSE's, just let them spend all day in #ubuntu-uk, they'll get a grounding in history, languages and the added bonus of open source software & systems
[13:37] <popey> !
[13:37] <dogmatic69> hehe
[13:37] <dogmatic69> i second that motion
[13:37] <brobostigon> +1
[13:37] <Myrtti> DJones: and governmental organisation and food :->
[13:37] <dogmatic69> would have loved spending school time in irc
[13:37] <dogmatic69> hold on.. i did :D
[13:37] <JamesTait> Hah!
[13:38] <Myrtti> I even had a permission to do it
[13:38] <Myrtti> ah, those were the days
[13:38] <DJones> On the other hand, maybe not....I could also see an increase in trolling
[13:38] <JamesTait> I got banned from the computer labs for using IRC.
[13:38] <hamitron> JamesTait: or getting caught ;)
[13:39] <JamesTait> True.
[13:39] <Myrtti> my touch typing teacher was happy because it gave us dexterity and speed and good training :->
[13:39] <brobostigon> we almost got banned for playing quake over the school network, a few times.
[13:39] <JamesTait> I didn't think I was doing anything wrong.
[13:39] <JamesTait> It seemed like an excellent resource, I learned a lot.
[13:40] <JamesTait> The irony was that they didn't do anything about the people playing Quake or Grand Theft Auto on the network.
[13:40] <brobostigon> :(
[13:40] <hamitron> I am feeling kinda old now, only 1 computer at school even had internet :/
[13:40] <JamesTait> I was learning and hardly using any network bandwidth, they were slacking and chewing up more bandwidth. Go figure.
[13:41] <BigRedS> hamitron: Bah. just as I was feeling old for predating gta
[13:41] <DJones> brobostigon: feeling old would that school only had one computer & the internet hadn't been invented (at least for general use anyway)
[13:41] <JamesTait> We didn't have internet at school. We had ArcNet.
[13:41] <JamesTait> I only got internet when I got to Unij.
[13:41] <brobostigon> DJones: agreed,yes.
[13:41] <JamesTait> You know, I think I'm going to give up trying to type today.
[13:42] <hamitron> well, I am definately older than young now :/ maybe not old
[13:42] <BigRedS> It's always the way. When you announce your inability to type today, everything goes well...
[13:42] <BigRedS> sort-of inverse skitt's law
[13:42] <hamitron> :)
[13:43] <JamesTait> Too bad I've got a conference call followed by the school run fast approaching. :)
[13:44] <dwatkins> We had a network of BBC Micros at school :D
[13:45] <dwatkins> You could *VIEW someone else's machine to slow it down if a game was running too fast...
[13:45] <hamitron> :))
[13:46] <hamitron> I think they should scrap IT in education
[13:46] <hamitron> never learned much from it
[13:47] <hamitron> apart from printers never work when needed
[13:47] <BigRedS> Always print before the night before!
[13:47] <hamitron> it would be a bonus if I started the work before then ;)
[13:48] <hamitron> but yeh, makes sense
[13:48] <hamitron> :)
[13:48] <hamitron> so after maybe 24/25 hours of IT sessions I know that
[13:49] <hamitron> and BigRedS condensed it into 1 line
[13:51] <screen-x> nooo, I setup a webcam to survey the label printer, but someone just turned it round :(
[13:52] <hamitron> :/
[13:53] <hamitron> reckon someone is printing "screen-x suxx" stickers?
[13:53] <screen-x> I hope not!
[13:53] <screen-x> all their cups logs are belong to me
[13:53] <hamitron> :))
[13:56] <screen-x> hmm, so should I click on System > Administration > Printing or System > Administration > Printing ?
[13:57] <hamitron> click? :|
[13:58] <DJones> screen-x: Next time, you'll have to set up a webcam pointed at the webcam surveying the label printer so you can see who moves it
[13:59] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/329281/ <-- my Business Continuity Plan for Incapacitated Personnel.
[13:59] <andylockran> :)
[13:59] <andylockran> reckon that's NSFW, or shall I submit it ?
[14:02] <BigRedS> I'd add a card to line 8
[14:07] <andylockran> short term?
[14:07] <andylockran> ah, long term
[14:07] <BigRedS> yeah
[14:08] <screen-x> DJones: It was the label printer that moved, so I saw the culprit :)
[14:08] <DJones> screen-x: Ah, I thought you meant somebody had moved to the webcam
[14:09] <AlanBell> gah
[14:10] <hamitron> hmmm
[14:11] <screen-x> baton down the hatches, its getting choppy
[14:13] <hamitron> it is all well and good having no monitors on machines...
[14:13] <hamitron> but now I am wanting to change hardware, it is a pain
[14:14] <hamitron> and clutter sort of fills the spaces where I would have the monitor
[14:14] <screen-x> hamitron: ?
[14:14] <hamitron> I got 5 machines with no screen :/
[14:15] <hamitron> but wanting to change the setups
[14:16] <screen-x> hamitron: ipmi?
[14:16] <dwatkins> What hadware are you changing, and could you prepare the machine beforehand to accept the change, shut down, then power up with it using the new disk etc., hamitron?
[14:17] <hamitron> dunno ipmi
[14:17] <hamitron> mainly swapping hdd dwatkins
[14:18] <hamitron> but each has data on that needs moving around
[14:18] <screen-x> hamitron: ipmi is teh awesome, and avoids all need for a monitor, but you need a machine that supports it.
[14:18] <dwatkins> hamitron: I was reasonably successful with something similar recently, by using uuid instead of /dev/sd[a-d] etc.
[14:19] <dwatkins> yeah, ipmi tends to only be an option on server boards such as the Intel S5000PSL
[14:19]  * dwatkins goes for a meeting
[14:19] <hamitron> my server only has 2 sataII connectors too :/
[14:19] <bigcalm_> What more do you need? Hook up 2 x 3tb drives
[14:19] <hamitron> I will struggling on, moving Tb over a 100mbit network
[14:20] <hamitron> struggle*
[14:21] <gord> having such a hard time with an sd card today... it keeps giving up and screwing up the superblock setting it in read only mode
[14:21] <hamitron> geez
[14:21] <hamitron> :/
[14:23]  * DJones wonders whether facebook have nicked freenodes bandwidth
[14:24] <brobostigon> likely, DJones :)
[14:24] <hamitron> only until freenode moves over to the facebook platform ;)
[14:26] <hamitron> I nearly emptied a 500Gb hdd \o/
[14:27] <hamitron> without formating ;/
[14:27] <hamitron> kinda funny when you realise you've downloaded some things more than once
[14:30] <davmor2> popey: I love the idea of "where's Sladen" of course you will get sued for copying the concept you know you will ;)
[14:32] <popey> not if its free
[14:32] <popey> and sufficiently different
[14:34] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[14:34] <Myrtti> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19978-car-batteries-run-on-relativity.html
[14:39] <bigcalm> Any suggestions for sourcing a5 spiral bound notepads with grid lines?
[14:39] <bigcalm> Last one I got was from lidl, won't see them again for an age though
[14:39] <Myrtti> 5mm, 7mm or 10mm grid?
[14:40] <bigcalm> 5mm
[14:40] <bigcalm> If I were in mainland europe, I'd just go to a supermarket
[14:40] <dutchie> bigcalm: as fussy as me over paper? :)
[14:40] <Myrtti> yeah, Finland has them everywhere, gridded notepads are what are the default in school
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: WHSmith?
[14:41] <Myrtti> doesn't Staples have em?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> or them
[14:42] <bigcalm> Haven't tried them yet
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> amazon has loads as well
[14:43] <DJones> Maybe Rymans/Stationery Box could have them
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00260GPS8
[14:43] <daubers> Afternoon
[14:43] <screen-x> afternoon daubers
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> daubersman
[14:44] <daubers> bigcalm: Big tesco stores sometimes have them
[14:44] <bigcalm> brb phone
[14:46]  * daubers is trying to make sure the server he's putting in the DC this evening is ready to go in while writing documentation for other things for a customer
[14:46]  * popey is hovering over the "buy" button for some disks
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: don't do it!
[14:46] <daubers> popey: What disks?
[14:46] <popey> 2TB ones
[14:47] <daubers> Brand?
[14:47] <popey> WD
[14:47]  * daubers just had a delivery of 40 of those
[14:47] <popey> :)
[14:47] <gord> "-base: /home/gord/bin/rm: cannot execute binary file" - what on earth have a done? O_O
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> gord: you've removed / from the front of $PATH
[14:47] <daubers> Hmm... not sure about WD ones at the moment. We usually use Hitachi, but those are server grade rather than consumer
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> gord: try 'echo $PATH'
[14:47] <daubers> WD 1TB 2.5" drives are quite nice
[14:48] <gord> MartijnVdS, no it turns out that /home/gord/bin was in my path, no idea why
[14:49] <gord> now, to fix the thousand other problems that suddenly jumped at me
[14:49] <gord> why is my /home/gord/bin full of binary files!
[14:49] <gord> ghosts!
[14:51]  * daubers disconnects the ssh session from gords laptop
[14:51]  * MooDoo just installed a 120gb ssd in his laptop last night :)
[14:51] <daubers> MootBot: Swanky
[14:51] <screen-x> daubers: you sounds like jobs, what do you mean by "server grade"?
[14:51] <daubers> MooDoo: even
[14:51] <gord> 120gb? thats a lot
[14:51] <gord> i always figured i only need enough for my os
[14:52] <daubers> screen-x: Enterprise drives, they're rated for 24/7 read/write cycles
[14:52] <screen-x> daubers: and normal ones aren't?
[14:52] <daubers> screen-x: Seagate class them as their NS drives rather then ES drives (I think thats the correct way around)
[14:52] <MooDoo> gord: i just got a big one
[14:52]  * screen-x prepares for his nearline backup box to die
[14:52] <daubers> screen-x: No, they're not :)
[14:52] <daubers> screen-x: Also, enterprise grade ones normally have a 3+ year warrenty
[14:53] <screen-x> so what happens if you use cheap disks 24/7?
[14:53] <daubers> screen-x: Bigger risk of a drive failing
[14:53] <daubers> screen-x: When you have a raid of 24+ of them it can become an issue
[14:53] <hamitron> my cheap WD failed :/
[14:54] <screen-x> I've had some normal sata disks in a backup box for ~2years and it seems to be ok..
[14:54] <daubers> screen-x: Bet you're not read/writing to it 24 hours a day 7 days a week at full tilt
[14:54] <hamitron> for some reason my drive went upto 55 C
[14:55] <hamitron> :/
[14:55] <screen-x> daubers: no, hourly snapshots, and full backups overnight
[14:55] <gord> i'v never had fun experiences with WD myself, tend not to buy them anymore so can't comment how they are now
[14:55] <daubers> screen-x: Yeah, you won't be pummelling those very hard
[14:55] <screen-x> \o/ disks can live on
[15:03] <daubers> screen-x: Yup. For a time anyway :)
[15:04] <screen-x> yes, well all spinning rust will come to an end
[15:04] <brobostigon> anyone have any pain killers, please.
[15:04] <daubers> screen-x: To some extents having a RAID mitigates the effect, but you have to balance it off with the added chance of 2 or 3 disks failing at roughly the same time. But to some extents it's all a gamble anyway
[15:04] <screen-x> I have some ibuprofen..
[15:05] <brobostigon> thsnk you screen-x :)
[15:05] <daubers> I have some asprin, paracetemol, dispersible asprin, lemsip and buttercup syrup in my desk drawer
[15:05] <daubers> Stupid sore throats
[15:05] <DJones> I have co-codamol & dihydocodeine & diclefenic
[15:05] <DJones> Not all to be taken at the same time
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> dihydrogenmonoxide
[15:05] <Myrtti> mmm Voltaren ♥
[15:05] <brobostigon> could you send me some  co-codamol please, DJones
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> cocoa-damol
[15:06] <Myrtti> I'd sell my mother for a tube of diclofenac gel right now
[15:06] <DJones> Myrtti: I'm guessing that Voltaren is the same as voltarol/diclafenic
[15:06] <Myrtti> yup
[15:07] <Myrtti> does it show I've been a chronic pain patient?
[15:07] <Myrtti> *blush*
[15:08] <brobostigon> my eczema and my osteoporosis can cause a huge amount of pain.
[15:08] <Myrtti> I can't decide should I watch CNN or BBC World
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: BBC of course
[15:08] <brobostigon> bbc
[15:08]  * DJones dcc's some co-codamol to brobostigon
[15:08] <Myrtti> Piers Morgan was quite good earlier on CNN
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: unless you're feeling 'merkin
[15:08] <brobostigon> thank you DJones :)
[15:10] <diplo> God i hate css!!!
[15:10] <diplo> 3 browsers and 3 different results!
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> diplo: then you're mis-interpreting the spec ;)
[15:11] <diplo> Gap between two divs in FF and IE are the same, chrome is twice as wide
[15:11] <screen-x> diplo: css is pure and lovely, its implementations you hate
[15:11] <diplo> fix it in FF breaks the other 2
[15:11]  * daubers was at the BBC archive yesterday
[15:11] <diplo> okay, yes wording wasn't correct :)
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> diplo: gap between two divs? flowing? absolute?
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> daubers: oooh, how was it?
[15:12] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Quite interesting. All their QC machines for checking archive footage run OpenSUSE
[15:19] <daubers> MartijnVdS: They didn't think me putting a catch in for any files with metadata containing the words doctor and who being emailed to me was funny though
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> daubers: aww
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> daubers: how about "bad wolf"
[15:20] <popey> \o/ Doctor Who!
[15:20] <popey> Oooo, i am re-watching S5 of new who
[15:20] <popey> wonder if it downloaded a new ep last night
[15:22] <czajkowski> popey: new season ???
[15:22] <czajkowski> nm re read it
[15:22] <czajkowski> re watching :(
[15:23] <kieko> Myrtti, what was good about PiersMorgan?
[15:25] <wintellect> I installed Gnome-Do last night, but it seems to have enabled itself for all users. Is there a way to disable it for specific users?
[15:25] <popey> no
[15:25] <Myrtti> kieko: he did interview Oprah quite nicely
[15:25] <wintellect> popey: was that for me?
[15:25] <popey> no
[15:25] <popey> :)
[15:25] <wintellect> k, thanks :P
[15:29] <gord> huh, i just realised i have custard creams in the kitchen, this day just got a whole lot better
[15:29] <hamitron> :)
[15:32] <popey> oooo i want digestive creams now
[15:32] <davmor2> gord: I find that sadly worrying that a mere biscuit can make the day so much better, surely you need a beverage too :)
[15:33] <gord> of course, what are biscuits without something to dunk them in to
[15:33] <brobostigon> chai :)
[15:33] <davmor2> gord: now you see, now it's a perfect day :)
[15:43] <czajkowski> gord: TEA!
[15:44]  * brobostigon said that, :)
[15:46] <davmor2> czajkowski: you pagan coffee is the drink of the gods
[15:48] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[15:48] <pr0ph3t> can I change my home folder to a separate partition and use that one as default from then on?
[15:49] <BigRedS> pr0ph3t: yeah. Move the files over, mount the partition where you want it, and add it to /etc/fstab. There's probably a few more in-depth howtos on the net, hang on
[15:50] <BigRedS> pr0ph3t: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[15:50] <pr0ph3t> thank you
[15:51] <gord> oh right yes, i have owned my current router for more than a year now, time for it to randomly start acting up
[15:51] <davmor2> gord: Yay I'm not the only one it happens too
[15:52] <gord> some randomy devices just lose its SSID now for some reason, my other devices get it fine
[15:52] <gord> it throws my phone off the wifi all the time too
[15:53] <brobostigon> i just noticed someone on foursquare, claimed to have checked in at banbury beer festival, when it isnt even held untill early may.
[15:53] <davmor2> gord: yeap that's the one it wasn't a netgear by any chance was it?
[15:53] <gord> of course
[15:53] <gord> oh wait no thats the old one
[15:53] <gord> this one is belkin
[15:56] <davmor2> gord: I gave up on belkins.   I have a TP-Link one this time seems to be fine so far,  Although it doesn't allow for internal->external->internal access which I found quite frustrating at first
[15:59] <pr0ph3t> ext4 of course cannot be read or modified from windows
[15:59] <gord> depends on if you make it ext3 compatible doesn't it?
[16:00] <pr0ph3t> I want to have home in a separate partition, for the usual obvious reasons, but also I want to use it to share files between windows and linux installations
[16:00] <pr0ph3t> yes
[16:00] <pr0ph3t> I think
[16:00] <pr0ph3t> but you can only read it?
[16:01] <pr0ph3t> you cannot modify it I don't think
[16:01] <pr0ph3t> so I could format it with -O extents and read it from windows but can I also write on it?
[16:02] <gord> if you want to share files, just make it ntfs
[16:03] <pr0ph3t> and have my home ntfs?
[16:03] <gord> no, make another partition
[16:03] <pr0ph3t> it makes me feel dirty
[16:03] <gord> you shouldn't have windows read/writing your home directory
[16:03] <gord> its a recipe for disaster
[16:03] <pr0ph3t> documents, videos, music, pictures
[16:04] <pr0ph3t> that sort of stuff
[16:04] <AlanBell>  s/read/writing your home directory//
[16:05] <AlanBell> is btrfs going to get a windows driver?
[16:05] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, sorry didn't get that
[16:06] <AlanBell> !btrfs
[16:06] <AlanBell> hmm no facoid
[16:06] <pr0ph3t> the future of linux partitions
[16:07] <AlanBell> it is a fancy new filesystem that is not yet fully baked
[16:07] <gord> AlanBell, who knows if it will, the devs of btrfs almost certainly won't write one though
[16:07] <jpds> You're not suppose to bake butter.
[16:08] <gord> as always these things come about with need, with linux almost fully supporting ntfs safely these days, no one needs to write linux filesystem drivers for windows
[16:09]  * AlanBell observes that cake contains butter
[16:09] <r00t4rd3d> cookies also
[16:10] <screen-x> davmor2: "internal --> external --> internal access" = hairpin nat?
[16:12] <directhex> AlanBell, ping
[16:13] <davmor2> screen-x: Meh it's all good I figured out ways around stuff :)
[16:14] <directhex> AlanBell, you do vtiger, right?
[16:15] <AlanBell> yes
[16:15] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: does it more than me though
[16:15] <directhex> AlanBell, how much of the functionality removed in sugarcrm's open-core version is implemented in vtiger?
[16:16]  * AlanBell bats that one over to TheOpenSourcerer
[16:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Virtually all of it and more.. :-)
[16:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> In fact I can't really think of what vtiger doesn't do compared to Sugar.
[16:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> No offline client yes in vtiger.
[16:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\yes\yet
[16:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure what "Data Merge and Quality Controls" means in Sugar Speak but vtiger can do dupe checking when importing data,
[16:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Other than that - it's all there.
[16:18] <directhex> reporting? sales forecasting?
[16:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can create reports to your heart's content.
[16:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anaylyse anyway up you need really.
[16:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, OK Forecasting isn't quite there according to what Sugar says theirs does.
[16:23] <screen-x> talking of sugar/vtiger, has anyone used CiviCRM?
[16:25] <popey> r00t4rd3d: why are you here?
[16:28] <r00t4rd3d> chat
[16:29] <brobostigon> curious choice of nick aswell.
[16:29] <popey> ok, well given your past history in other channels, and your mails to me which are highly offensive, I'd rather you weren't here.
[16:29] <r00t4rd3d> sry about that , was alittle upset
[16:29] <popey> not good enough
[16:30] <popey> this has persisted for some days now, and I'm not about to let this channel bear the brunt of your wildly swinging moods
[16:30] <r00t4rd3d> the emails were not specifically to you either
[16:30] <r00t4rd3d> you just happen to be on the list
[16:30] <popey> I am on the CC, the mails were to the CC, ergo they were to me.
[16:30] <r00t4rd3d> hence the list
[16:31] <popey> still wildly unacceptable for anyone in the Ubuntu community to be acting like that.
[16:31] <r00t4rd3d> well i would explain in pm if you would like
[16:31] <popey> nope
[16:31] <popey> here, #ubuntu-irc or #ubuntu-ops
[16:33] <popey> r00t4rd3d: would you like to have that conversation here, in -irc or -ops?
[16:34] <r00t4rd3d> I cant converse with people who have compared me to a murderer , called me a F*ing idiot.
[16:34] <directhex> can you move it? it's off-topic, and i was, um, talking about installing vtiger on debian. oops...
[16:35] <popey> r00t4rd3d: we have an appeals process. I'd recommend you use it. if you are unhappy with the outcome of the appeal to the irc council then I recommend contacting the CC, but with some level of lucidity, and without the profanity.
[16:36] <popey> taking your fight to every other team and loco is unacceptable.
[16:36] <popey> until that's sorted, I'd ask you to leave #ubuntu-uk please.
[16:36] <directhex> i'm used to being compared to murderers for my ubuntu contributions. doesn't everyone get that?
[16:37] <r00t4rd3d> Im not taking anything anywhere , I just want to chat about ubuntu.
[16:38] <popey> well I'm not happy with you being here. this isn't safe harbour from #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu
[16:44] <IdleOne> he also uses xx@unaffiliated/r00t4rd3d
[16:44] <popey> thanks
[16:44] <popey> nothing to see here, move along.
[16:44]  * brobostigon looks out in #ubuntu-cym
[16:45]  * dogmatic69 hides
[16:45] <hamitron> "move along", knew you never loved us popey ;)
[16:45]  * popey tickles hamitron
[16:45] <hamitron> :|
[16:46] <hamitron> I actually missed it all :/ playing with rsync
[16:46] <popey> \o/ arse ink!
[16:46] <hamitron> cup of tea time now while it does it's work
[16:46] <hamitron> ;)
[16:53] <Laney> mmm tea
[16:56] <bigcalm> mgdm: River Wye
[16:57] <pr0ph3t> hmmm rsync, it likes to take it's time
[16:59] <davmor2> zsync for the win
[17:00] <hamitron> z?
[17:00] <Laney> client-side rsync
[17:02] <Azelphur> any drupal-ish people have any suggestions on stopping spam? the spam bots seem to be flying past recaptcha :(
[17:02] <davmor2> optimised rsync
[17:03] <gord> Azelphur, throw up five pictures, four of them are puppies, make one a kitten. ask the user to pick the kitten
[17:04] <Azelphur> haha
[17:04] <Azelphur> preferably without writing modules
[17:04] <Azelphur> although that would be awesome :p
[17:07] <pr0ph3t> does most of what we install goes into the home folder?
[17:07] <pr0ph3t> in the .program folder
[17:10] <gord> no, there is no .program folder by default
[17:11] <hamitron> pr0ph3t: most goes into /usr
[17:11] <davmor2> pr0ph3t: No,  Home is for you config and personal docs, the programs live in /usr/bin
[17:11] <pr0ph3t> thanks you
[17:29] <Azelphur> I built an app from source, but now I want to clean it out and use the version from the repository, so I did sudo make uninstall, but when I try to run the app it still tries to run it from /usr/local/bin rather than /usr/bin
[17:31] <AlanBell> is there something still in /usr/local/bin/appname?
[17:31] <Azelphur> nope
[17:31] <dwatkins> Does a new terminal show the same behaviour, Azelphur?
[17:32] <AlanBell> why do you say it is running from /usr/local/bin?
[17:32] <dwatkins> Just wondereing if it's cached in the shell.
[17:32] <Azelphur> oh, the behaviour only happens in old terminal windows
[17:32] <Azelphur> some env variable must need to refresh S:
[17:32] <Azelphur> :D*
[17:32] <dwatkins> rehash, Azelphur
[17:32] <Azelphur> yea
[17:32] <dwatkins> or just start a new window
[17:33] <Azelphur> sorted :)
[17:33] <dwatkins> mind you, I don't think that exists anymore in newer versions of bash
[17:33] <dwatkins> woohoo, IRC saves an otherwise disastrous day :D
[17:33] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:37] <hamitron> now to decide on my new partition table :/
[17:37] <hamitron> this always ends in a mess
[17:38] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: for Natty +1 I think the regular mono removal post should have a corresponding QT removal analysis
[17:39] <AlanBell> I am all in favour of QT being in the default distro, but as with mono, the best way to find out what exactly it is doing is to remove it
[17:40] <gord> i'll never understand people who want things removed from the cd, i mean, they can just remove them their self, why do they care what other people are using?
[17:42] <directhex> i still don't quite understant why Qt
[17:43]  * hamitron just doesn't understand ;/
[17:43] <AlanBell> stuff like this I expect http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2009/05/13/qt-declarative-ui/
[17:44] <AlanBell> I want a severed finger like that
[17:44] <gord> gtk is kinda decaying a bit, stagnating, there have been no interesting developments for a long long time. whilst qt is really zooming along, i mean it needs the apps toe back it up (imo) but the toolkit is impressive
[17:45] <bigcalm> AlanBell: that looks like a useful finger
[17:45] <hamitron> stagnating is good if you don't want change...
[17:46] <davmor2> AlanBell: That can be arranged I have a sharp knife knocking about somewhere :D
[17:46] <hamitron> right, need food
[17:46] <hamitron> and beer
[17:46] <brobostigon> :)
[17:46]  * AlanBell needs food
[17:46] <hamitron> bbl
[17:47] <hamitron> o/
[17:47] <AlanBell> I think a hunt for frites is in order
[17:49] <Myrtti> iihhhh diclofenac gel
[17:49] <Myrtti> I love this world
[17:52] <bigcalm> Hungryyyyyyyyy
[17:53] <bigcalm> Dieting sucks
[17:54] <Azelphur> free -m?
[17:55] <Azelphur> whoops, wrong channel
[17:55] <Myrtti> we just went for thai and I couldn't finish my food
[17:55] <bigcalm> Myrtti: boxed the rest and took it home I hope!
[17:56] <Myrtti> no, I just wanted out of there, I managed to nibble all the chicken from the plate, left half the veg and rice and sauce there tho
[17:56] <bigcalm> Ah, pain getting to you?
[17:57] <Myrtti> yeah, couldn't even swallow at that point
[17:57] <Myrtti> (without pain)
[17:58] <Myrtti> now I've got heatpads for tomorrow and voltarol gel for tonight
[17:58] <bigcalm> Yay
[17:58] <Myrtti> atleast the placebo seems to kick in nicely
[17:58] <Myrtti> and the pharmacist spoke English +++++++++
[17:59] <bigcalm> Alternating heatpad and cold pad on the area helps loosen up silly muscles
[17:59] <bigcalm> Don't they normally?
[18:01] <czajkowski> popey: USB!
[18:02] <bigcalm> Doggy walking time!
[18:02]  * bigcalm scampers
[18:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: Bunnies! that'll be about as random as USB to popey
[18:13] <mgdm> bigcalm: hehe
[18:13] <siya> evening all
[18:13] <siya> Am looking into my mp3 collection which I'been neglecting for a long while
[18:13] <siya> Was hoping to use Amarok and have it scan the files on my nas
[18:14] <siya> seems the nautilus not mounting to file-system is biting me
[18:14] <siya> is there a solution to this other than manually mounting my share?
[18:32] <pr0ph3t> re all
[18:33] <Azelphur> hmm, my flash player doesn't seem to be working
[18:33] <Azelphur> I have flashplugin-nonfree installed, but it doesn't work on ff or chrome and theres nothing in about:plugins
[18:34] <pr0ph3t> I get an error message after changing my home directory, E: core-util.c: Home directory /home/blabla not ours, why? I thought with rsync you kept all the permissions?
[18:36] <pr0ph3t> pulseaudio doesn't work properly now
[18:37] <pr0ph3t> actually it doesn't start at all
[18:37] <X3N> rsync will do what ever you told it to do
[18:39] <pr0ph3t> X3N, so I need to do a chmod now for the whole home folder?
[18:39] <X3N> chown probably. e.g. chown username.username ~/.pulse/ -R
[18:40] <X3N> and the folder it's self
[18:41] <X3N> if needed, you can check the permissions on it first to see if you're barking up the right tree
[18:41] <pr0ph3t> X3N, root owns it
[18:41] <X3N> that's a problem then, assuming you're not root
[18:42] <pr0ph3t> X3N, well
[18:42] <pr0ph3t> it's my user home folder
[18:42] <X3N> ok, then it shouldn't be owned by root
[18:43] <pr0ph3t> too right
[18:43] <Darael> X3N: Chown syntax is "chown user:group file" rather than "chown user.group file".  Oh, and "chown user:" is a shortcut for "chown user:usergroup".
[18:44] <dwatkins> When did the chown syntax change?
[18:44] <pr0ph3t> so what would be the quickest way to change permission to the folder and all the rest of it?
[18:45] <Darael> I've always known it is user:group.  Maybe user.group works too, I didn't know if it does.  pr0ph3t, you want chown -R, as X3N suggested.
[18:45] <X3N> using . is perfectly valid
[18:46] <dwatkins> Is there any difference between the two?
[18:46] <X3N> you want sudo chown $USER.$USER ~/.pulse/ -R
[18:47] <pr0ph3t> X3N, or sudo chown $USER.$USER /home -R ?
[18:47] <X3N> no
[18:47] <pr0ph3t> because home should owned by user right?
[18:48] <pr0ph3t> oh
[18:48] <X3N> you don't want every file within /home to be yours, you might have other users
[18:48] <X3N> you'd need to specify your own home directory e.g. /home/$USER/
[18:48] <shauno> user:group vs user.group is mostly cosmetic.  unless you have a . in a username, then : becomes a must :)
[18:48] <pr0ph3t> X3N, right sorry, I don't have other users but I see what you mean
[18:48] <dwatkins> aha thanks shauno
[18:49]  * dwatkins never thought characters like . were allowed in usernames
[18:55] <pr0ph3t> X3N, nothing changes root is still the owner and not the user
[18:57] <shauno> dwatkins: depends who you ask I think.  my sanity says only alphanumeric.  Open Group add dot, dash, underscore. and of course, AD laughs in the face of sanity.
[18:59] <X3N> pr0ph3t: was there any output of the command?
[18:59] <pr0ph3t> X3N, .gvfs Permission denied
[19:00] <pr0ph3t> X3N, that's normal though right?
[19:04] <jacobw3> evening
[19:04] <X3N> did you run the command with sudo?
[19:10] <pr0ph3t> so pulseaudio tells me error /home/user not ours
[19:10] <pr0ph3t> I do chown etc but the error is still there
[19:10] <pr0ph3t> and by the looks of it nothing has really changed
[19:12] <pr0ph3t> ls -l /home/user tells me they are all owned by root still
[19:16] <pr0ph3t> sudo chown $USER.$USER /home/user/ -Rv is the command I run and I get all the emssages saying changing ownership to user.user
[19:16] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: how is that mounted?
[19:17] <directhex> i think the order of arguments matters for chown? -R goes at the start
[19:17] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, from fstab read/write
[19:19] <AlanBell> and it is a linux filesystem, not fat or something odd?
[19:19] <pr0ph3t> I'm scared now
[19:20] <pr0ph3t> maybe it is something odd
[19:20] <AlanBell> lets have a look at the fstab line
[19:20] <pr0ph3t> it's ntfs
[19:20] <pr0ph3t> which is really odd
[19:21] <brobostigon> your /home on ntfs, iwouldnt of thought that was possible.
[19:21] <pr0ph3t> but now I think I'll move the home folder to a ext4 partition and simply link all the directories with docs, video, music etc. to the ones on the ntfs partition?
[19:22] <pr0ph3t> brobostigon, I just tried it and it works
[19:22] <brobostigon> pr0ph3t: amazing,interesting,
[19:22] <AlanBell> for small values of works
[19:22] <pr0ph3t> it was just a test
[19:22] <jacobw3> can i make a bootable usb from an iso using dd?
[19:23] <AlanBell> :) I think it failed
[19:23] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, indeed it did
[19:23] <brobostigon> jacobw3: it would write, but maybe not bootble. i think you would need somethinglike unetbootin to make it.
[19:24] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: have a look at man mount down at the options for ntfs bit
[19:24] <AlanBell> you can specify in fstab the userid and group id it should be so it doesn't have to be root
[19:24] <pr0ph3t> so can I link all the media folders in my home to the ones in my ntfs partition, so that they are just links in /home/user ?
[19:25] <AlanBell> for a single user system (or multiple mountpoints) you could specify the uid= and gid= options
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> I would still have a ntfs partition for my home, which is not what I really intended, but it is amazing what you can do with linux
[19:26] <AlanBell> is this system going to have just one user?
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> and annoying how limited you are with other OSs
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, yes
[19:28] <AlanBell> grep pr0ph3t /etc/passwd
[19:28] <AlanBell> that should tell you your uid and gid
[19:28] <AlanBell> probably 1000:1000
[19:29] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, yup
[19:29] <AlanBell> then in the fstab where you are mounting that partition add uid=1000,gid=1000 to the options bit
[19:29] <AlanBell> which is before the 0 0 at the end
[19:30] <AlanBell> then remount it and everything on the drive should be owned by you
[19:30] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, I have nodev, nosuid at the moment
[19:31] <AlanBell> great, add a comma and the other options
[19:31] <AlanBell> then unmount it and sudo mount -a
[19:32] <AlanBell> not sure if things get upset with unmounting /home on a running system
[19:32] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, they do
[19:32] <pr0ph3t> have to boot
[19:32] <AlanBell> ok
[19:32] <pr0ph3t> brb
[19:33] <AlanBell> nice little hack if it works
[19:35] <MonsterKiller> hey. I wanted to try and install minecraft server on ubuntu server 10
[19:35] <MonsterKiller> and it needs java but i cant find the right packages
[19:35] <MonsterKiller> 10.04*
[19:35] <popey> i have it running on ubuntu right here
[19:35] <popey> but 10.10
[19:36] <MonsterKiller> :D
[19:36] <popey> using openjdk icedtea6 1.9.2
[19:36] <popey> whatever that means
[19:36] <MonsterKiller> lol
[19:37] <MonsterKiller> popey, so minecraft server works with openjdk? or did you just mean you had java runnning?
[19:37] <MonsterKiller> running*
[19:37] <popey> yes
[19:37] <popey> it works fine
[19:37] <pr0ph3t> I officially own my home folder on ntfs partition
[19:37] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, thanks
[19:37] <MonsterKiller> can i ask, how much mem/cpu does minecraft server use?
[19:37] <AlanBell> yay
[19:38] <popey> MonsterKiller: as much as you give it
[19:38] <pr0ph3t> :)
[19:38] <popey> I have given 2GB to mine
[19:38] <MonsterKiller> lol
[19:38] <popey> thats the truth :)
[19:38] <MonsterKiller> xD
[19:38] <popey> it will run in 1GB
[19:38] <MonsterKiller> does it use all that?
[19:38] <popey> its java, so yeah
[19:38] <MonsterKiller> lol :/
[19:38] <MonsterKiller> 1GB for it is a lot
[19:38] <MonsterKiller> :p
[19:38] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: that isn't a supported configuration, but it is a nice little hack
[19:39] <AlanBell> bad things might happen, but if they do you own all the pieces
[19:39] <popey> bah
[19:39] <popey> minecraft.net is down
[19:39] <MonsterKiller> yeah
[19:39] <MonsterKiller> :/
[19:39] <popey> means I can't play on my own local server which is annoying
[19:39] <MonsterKiller> popey, you think it would work well with 512 ram? :p
[19:39] <popey> "work", maybe
[19:39] <popey> "work well", no
[19:39] <MonsterKiller> lol
[19:40] <MonsterKiller> *sigh*
[19:40] <MonsterKiller> ah well
[19:40] <pr0ph3t> AlanBell, sweet
[19:48] <AlanBell> wow, you can chain ssh -X over multiple hops
[19:49] <popey> you can
[19:51] <mgdm> ooooh
[20:10] <pr0ph3t> balls, pulse audio doesn't work still
[20:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Some Further Notes On Qt In Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/01/18/some-further-notes-on-qt-in-ubuntu/
[20:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] LCA 2011 has moved - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/133216.html
[20:14] <pr0ph3t> the only way apparently is to have yet another partition just for ~/.pulse with a filesystem which supports symbolic links
[20:23] <Azelphur> lol 3 are randomly giving me free stuff xD
[20:23] <Azelphur> I pay for 100 minutes 3000 texts and 1GB internet
[20:24] <Azelphur> just looked in my web panel, I have 101 minutes remaining, 1.5GB internet and 3.5k texts \o/
[20:25] <n1md4> evening.  I've lost wireless connection on my nx8220 laptop.  It uses the ipw2200 module, and was working earlier today.  ifconfig shows the interface, and lsmod lists the ipw2200 module.
[20:25] <n1md4> I used ifconfig eth1 ... to manually configure the interface, and since then it's lost wireless (i.e. doesn't show up in network-manager)
[20:26] <n1md4> Any ideas?
[20:34] <daubers> I love virtualisation
[20:34] <n1md4> Solved.  It turns out that network-manager doesn't like manual entries in network/interfaces
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> n1md4: it does, as long as you also include "auto" statements for the interface
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> n1md4: then it ignores the interface
[20:40] <n1md4> Ah!  I've already removed the entry, but no doubt I missed out something!  Thanks, Marti
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> np
[20:43] <danfish> daubers: Shurely cake is still your fist love ;)
[20:43] <tugrik> n1md4: if you're knowledgable enough to edit config files, i'd be tempted to uninstall network-manager
[20:43] <danfish> oops - dreadful typo s/fist/first
[20:43] <tugrik> but that said, I didn't know about MartijnVdS's point about "auto"
[20:45] <czajkowski> we now have a target date of the weekend of 5th and 6th February for the release" of Debian Squeeze! http://goo.gl/y4ro8
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> What?! February?
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> Must be '12?
[20:51] <tugrik> harsh
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> tugrik: just basing it on history
[21:28] <daubers> danfish: absolutley
[21:28] <daubers> Also, got VPN stuffs working all happy now :D
[21:28] <daubers> Just need to change a static route at the office and all is hunky dory
[21:42] <danfish> daubers: excellent
[21:44] <danfish> daubers: you going to be at the opensourceexpo in a couple of weeks?
[21:49] <cps> evening peeps :)
[21:50] <brobostigon> evening ttm cps
[22:02] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[22:30] <dwatkins> popey: I just saw your face on a page I was looking up xrandr info on, made me smile
[22:32] <popey> dwatkins: eh?
[22:37] <dwatkins> popey: you had asked a question about nvidia drivers and xrandr on here
[22:37] <dwatkins> http://linuxers.org/quick-tips/change-screen-resolution-thru-commandline-using-xrandr
[22:37] <dwatkins> well, implied a question
[22:37] <dwatkins> unless that's someone else
[22:38] <popey> hmmm
[22:38] <mgdm> xrandr is the only way I can get my external screen to work
[22:38] <popey> i answered
[22:39] <mgdm> the monitors applet kills X
[22:39] <popey> although I dunno where they scraped that from
[22:39] <popey> but i dont think I answered it there
[22:40] <dwatkins> yeah, popey - I often encounter the same thread reproduced on various sites like that, it's aggravating when you're trying to find a different one
[22:40] <popey> yeah
[22:40] <dwatkins> not that your reply aggravated me, just other ones
[22:40] <dwatkins> mgdm: I was just trying to get my Eee 901 to display on my new TV, it worked ok but didn't do a resolution with the same aspect ratio as the TV, I guess I need to reconfigure X
[22:41] <popey> should work fine
[22:41] <popey> its intel after all
[22:41] <popey> hi kazade
[22:41] <popey> dwatkins: whats the full output of just running xrandr with the tv plugged in?
[22:42] <popey> and what resolution is the tv capable of?
[22:42] <gord> YES! wifi working on the ac100!
[22:42] <gord> turns out my router was on a channel it couldn't get to
[22:42] <popey> 13?
[22:43] <gord> 12
[22:43] <kazade> hi popey
[22:47] <dwatkins> popey: I appreciate I
[22:47] <dwatkins> popey: I appreciate I'm running jolicloud, not stock ubuntu, but... http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/gYJc5dfy
[22:48] <gord> huh couldn't get data to pass over wifi till i disabled bluetooth, interesting
[22:48] <dwatkins> I guess I can use that first listed resolution and it should have the correct aspect ratio...
[22:49] <popey> and switch off internal display, yes?
[22:49] <dwatkins> haha, jolicloud can't handle the large screen size
[22:49] <popey> otherwise you go over the maximum 2048x2048
[22:49] <dwatkins> yeah popey - I'm running irssi in 1920x1080 :D
[22:49] <popey>  _   _       _ _       _
[22:49] <popey> | | | |_   _| | | ___ | |
[22:49] <popey> | |_| | | | | | |/ _ \| |
[22:49] <popey> |  _  | |_| | | | (_) |_|
[22:49] <popey> |_| |_|\__,_|_|_|\___/(_)
[22:49] <popey>
[22:49] <popey> thats half the screen gone
[22:49]  * dwatkins sniggers
[22:50] <dwatkins> no, it has about 100 lines
[22:50] <popey> nice
[22:50] <gord> thats... thats weird, there is no xchat package on arm but there is an xchat-gnome
[22:50] <dwatkins> the font is fairly small, it's excellent
[22:50] <dwatkins> lets see how other stuff displays, back later...
[22:50] <czajkowski> ▞▀▖▌  ▞▀▖▌ ▌▞▀▖
[22:50] <czajkowski> ▙▄▌▌  ▌ ▌▙▄▌▙▄▌
[22:50] <czajkowski> ▌ ▌▌  ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌
[22:50] <czajkowski> ▘ ▘▀▀▘▝▀ ▘ ▘▘ ▘
[22:50] <popey> indeed
[22:50] <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xchat
[22:50] <popey> no arm xchat
[22:51] <directhex> arm isn't shown on puc is it?
[22:51] <gord> everyone prepare for me to sit and complain about xchat-gnome for the next six months ;)
[22:51] <directhex> no.
[22:51] <rww> xchat-gnome is in main and xchat isn't. maybe is that?
[22:53] <czajkowski> there really should be an Ubuntu event here http://www.thekernelbrewery.com/
[22:54] <gord> it has brewery in the name, without loading i approve
[22:55] <popey> directhex: it shows ppc!
[22:56] <gord> i wonder if it would be quicker for me to write all the 0's and 1's on paper than it is to write on this sd card
[22:56] <Myrtti> moar voltarol! MOAR!
[22:57] <directhex> popey, back when ppc was a thing, yeah
[22:57] <directhex> popey, trust me. shows arm for no packages
[22:57] <popey> i do
[22:59] <czajkowski> Myrtti: stil no relief
[23:00] <gord-ac100> huh, this thing is real fast once it gets going
[23:00] <Myrtti> czajkowski: no, not really
[23:01] <czajkowski> Myrtti: feck, shower of no help, try again or any luck getting heat pads?
[23:01] <czajkowski> Myrtti: you in the UK ?
[23:01] <Myrtti> .de
[23:01] <czajkowski> ahh
[23:02] <hamitron> feck?
[23:02] <hamitron> :)
[23:02] <Myrtti> got heatpads but saving them for tmoz
[23:02] <czajkowski> nods
[23:06] <n1md4> tugrik: Heh!  I've been very tempted to uninstall network-manager a number of time; in favour of the command line ;) --but actually, I'm quite lazy!
[23:06] <hamitron> what is all this about uninstalling stuff? :|
[23:06] <Myrtti> might as well try the meditation again, trying to concentrate on the feeling of breath on upper lip and trying to forget the ache...
[23:06] <hamitron> just use the mini.iso and install what is needed ;)
[23:07] <gord> ha, there we go, i'm almost certainly gonna have to build xchat for arm myself but at least i have something now :)
[23:08] <hamitron> gord: what system you on?
[23:08] <gord> ac100
[23:08] <hamitron> like it?
[23:09] <gord> if i can get sound and video working + a nice browser (thinking chrome for the speed) then i will love it
[23:10] <directhex> just enable universe?
[23:10] <hamitron> I got a NAS with a different architecture, that I thought I could play with
[23:10] <hamitron> but then I relised I am storing data on it I don't want to risk :/
[23:10] <directhex> http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/x/xchat/xchat_2.8.8-3ubuntu4_armel.deb - see that right there?
[23:10] <hamitron> realised*
[23:10] <tugrik> n1md4: :)  It's probably an over-reaction, but has worked for me
[23:11] <hamitron> 1024x600 resolution screen :/
[23:18] <hamitron> gord: where I get one? ;/
[23:19] <gord> hamitron, ebuyer.com
[23:19] <hamitron> doh
[23:19] <hamitron> ebuyer > google
[23:19] <gord> i always search for tech stuff on ebuyer before anywhere else
[23:20] <hamitron> £265 :|
[23:22] <hamitron> I was hoping it would be cheaper
[23:22] <gord> its basically a top of the line (really really top of the line) phone with a giant screen and a keyboard, of course its not gonna be cheep
[23:23] <hamitron> does it take a sim card?
[23:23] <gord> some models do, the cheep ones don't
[23:23] <gord> cheeper* ;)
[23:24] <gord> "sudo: vim: command not found" bites me every time =\
[23:26] <hamitron> does the ebuyer one take a sim?
[23:26] <hamitron> can't see it mentioned
[23:27] <hamitron> looks nice though
[23:27] <hamitron> :)
[23:28] <hamitron> oh, £325
[23:28] <hamitron> :(
[23:30] <gord> you could just get a usb 3g modem ;)
[23:30] <hamitron> I was wanting to get rid of my phone
[23:30] <hamitron> ;)
[23:30] <gord> oh, you wouldn't want to make calls on this
[23:30] <gord> its not a small netbook
[23:31] <hamitron> I haven't made a call for 2 years...
[23:31] <hamitron> ;/
[23:31] <hamitron> be nice to have the function to
[23:31] <hamitron> using a headset
[23:31] <gord> you also can't fit this netbook in your pocket ;)
[23:32] <hamitron> ah well, lucky I never carry my phone with me
[23:32] <hamitron> :)
[23:32] <hamitron> I suppose buying a number for skype would be cheaper
[23:32] <hamitron> then just run that on my normal comp
[23:33] <hamitron> someone has to make a side talking mod for this, to celebrate the life of the ngage
[23:33] <hamitron> I propose this as your mission gord
[23:33] <hamitron> :)
[23:35] <gord> the supprising thing about the ac100 is how small its battery really is, i'm gonna look for an upgrade for it, i mean, getting a battery twice as big would be fine and then i would get soooo much battery life
[23:36] <hamitron> it does sound like it lacks life
[23:41] <Udre> hey room
[23:45] <HazRPG> would this be the right place to ask about VirtualBox problems?
[23:45] <HazRPG> granted it is ubuntu (sort of) I'm having issues with too but host machine is windows
[23:47] <HazRPG> Problem I'm having is that ubuntu won't mount the Shared Folders
[23:47] <hamitron> shared folders where?
[23:48] <HazRPG> Well like I said the host machine is a windows one, running VirtualBox, and I've setup shared folders
[23:48] <HazRPG> the command should just be "sudo mount -t vboxsf <shared_folder_name> <dir_to_mount_to>"
[23:49] <HazRPG> but I keep getting "mounting failed with the error: Invalid argument"
[23:50] <hamitron> hmmm
[23:50] <hamitron> need a virtual box user
[23:51] <HazRPG> Reason I'm doing it is I love ubuntu, but I need windows too. And since I have 6GB of RAM, and a decent GFX card I can now run both simultaneous
[23:51] <HazRPG> (oh and two monitors)
[23:52] <hamitron> I dunno myself :/ could try #ubuntu or a virtual box channel, as this is not really the peak time for the UK
[23:52] <hamitron> but your setup sounds good :)
[23:52] <HazRPG> you'd think all the geeks would be up at this time xD
[23:52] <hamitron> so good luck with it
[23:52] <hamitron> hehe
[23:52] <hamitron> that or drunk
[23:52] <hamitron> ;)
[23:52] <HazRPG> heh true ;)
[23:52] <HazRPG> also, thanks
[23:53] <hamitron> the night owls may wake up soon I suppose
[23:53] <HazRPG> I really wish developers would build for linux :(
[23:53] <hamitron> build what?
[23:53] <HazRPG> games :P
[23:53] <hamitron> ah, games
[23:53] <hamitron> :)
[23:53] <hamitron> that is 1 area I agree
[23:54] <HazRPG> and applications, however I have managed to rid myself of most of the things that kept me tied down
[23:54] <hamitron> wine and cedega are a lot better now than they once were
[23:54] <HazRPG> Aptana for all my web developer needs (hurrah!)
[23:54] <hamitron> but not the same as native clients
[23:54] <HazRPG> see, people keep saying that ... but I still fail to see it
[23:55] <HazRPG> I'm yet to get even StarCraft to run off it
[23:55] <HazRPG> or even Adobe Flash
[23:55] <hamitron> starcraft 1?
[23:55] <HazRPG> (Macromedia Flash works however... the new stupid UI in CS5 seems to do horrid things in linux)
[23:55] <HazRPG> lol yeah, SC1
[23:56] <hamitron> starcraft 2 works perfect it seems
[23:56] <HazRPG> really?
[23:56] <HazRPG> hmm I might have to test that theory
[23:56] <hamitron> appdb.winehq.org
[23:56] <hamitron> is my source
[23:57] <hamitron> not actually done it myself, I choose windows as my gaming platform
[23:57] <HazRPG> personally I feel that VirtualBox or similar should just make it so that it communicates with the graphics driver better
[23:58] <HazRPG> yeah I know, I always check there from time to time
[23:58] <HazRPG> WoW is meant to run off it, and when I use to play that, I could never get it to run... at all
[23:59] <hamitron> I found WoW perfect, back when it was first released
[23:59] <hamitron> I did run in opengl mode though
[23:59] <HazRPG> I did too
[23:59] <HazRPG> still couldn't get it to work
[23:59] <hamitron> :/


[16:12] <smoser> harlowja_away, bah to pylint. new version in ubuntu now at 1.X, spews warnings about everything.
[16:12] <smoser> :-(
[16:15] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6768706/
[17:52] <harlowja> smoser arg, stupid pylint
[17:52] <harlowja> logging-not-lazy
[17:52] <harlowja> lol
[17:52] <harlowja> jeez, when did pylint get so crzy
[17:53] <smoser> harlowja_away, https://code.launchpad.net/~utlemming/cloud-init/vendor_data/+merge/201033 your thoughts there would be appreciated also
[17:53] <harlowja> sure boss
[17:53] <harlowja> :)
[17:53] <smoser> some of those things its seeing are reasonable.
[17:53] <smoser> but some (unused-argument or unused-variable)
[17:53] <harlowja> ya
[17:53] <smoser> we named them with _ to specify that!
[17:54] <harlowja> nutty
[17:54] <harlowja> which afaik is convention
[18:25] <harlowja> k, scott, seems ok to me
[18:34] <harlowja> smoser harmw ok, tested basic freebsd (basics), seems to be starting fine and finding the distro and all
[18:35] <harlowja> i'll submit up the rc.d files that sean made
[18:42] <harlowja> https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/freebsd-rc.d/+merge/202155
[18:42] <harlowja> harmw ^
[18:43] <harmw> compare lines 25,26 with 33 ;)
[18:44] <harlowja> ya, sean and his '{'
[18:44] <harlowja> :-P
[18:44] <harlowja> will fix this for him, lol
[18:45] <harmw> (lines 50,51 in cloudfinal.. 2 blanc lines, instead of just 1)
[18:46] <harmw> and more like that as well :p
[18:46] <harlowja> hmmm, all fixed, lol
[18:46] <harmw> hm, what could/would cloudinit_override() do anyway?
[18:47] <harlowja> not sure, let me ask him why
[18:47] <harmw> ah great :) annoying stuff to bitch about, those whitelines, I know :p
[18:48] <harlowja> harmw thats just reflecting the same thing in the other sysvinit scripts
[18:48] <harmw> its the precmd, though I dont know what sourcing that specific file would accomplish
[18:48] <harmw> ah ok
[18:49] <harlowja> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/sysvinit/redhat/cloud-init#L61
[18:49] <harlowja> i guess just reflecting that functionality
[18:50] <harmw> indeed
[18:50] <harmw> though CLOUDINITARGS is specified in one of the files in L62 or L63
[18:51] <harmw> and the freebsd script doesn't use anything that could've been specified in a sysconfig file, hence my question :)
[18:52] <harlowja> sure sure, understood, maybe for future use then :-P
[18:53] <harmw> ofc, while that could be an argument to completely drop that part for now as well :p
[18:53] <harlowja> either or
[18:57] <harlowja> harmw so i think sean will packge up any missing dependencies and get those shoved up to freebsd ports also
[18:57] <harmw> cool, I posted the pkg stuff already didn't I
[18:58] <harlowja> think so, but might just be good to make sure we have a good list
[18:58] <harlowja> known ones i had to install [configobj, jsonpatch, Cheetah, argparse]
[18:58] <harlowja> [pyserial, oauth] probably also?
[18:59] <harlowja> ^ those 2 are datasource usage dependent
[18:59] <harmw> pkg install python27 py27-yaml py27-requests py27-prettytable py27-cheetah py27-boto dmidecode e2fsprogs gpart sudo
[18:59] <harmw> and jsonpatch, manually
[19:00] <harlowja> k
[19:00] <harmw> though those could've brought in some of the ones you just mentioned aswell :)
[19:01] <harlowja> np, will make sure sean has a good list
[19:01] <harmw> great
[19:04] <smoser> harlowja, you have a thought ?
[19:04] <smoser> i'm looking to put vendor-data into nocloud
[19:04] <smoser> that would seem pretty easy
[19:04] <smoser> but it uses read_seeded
[19:05] <smoser> which looks for user-data and meta-data
[19:05] <smoser> both of which are "required"
[19:05] <smoser> but vendor-data would be optional
[19:05] <smoser> thats easy peasy for "file://"
[19:05] <smoser> but not for http://
[19:06] <smoser> as we have retries built in. (and at the moment it doens't look like we have support in 'read_file_or_url' for returning None on 404)
[19:07] <harlowja> u should be able to check the status code of the response right?
[19:07] <harlowja> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/cloudinit/url_helper.py#L86 ?
[19:07] <harlowja> which in the case of a file 'response' is always 200
[19:09] <harlowja> how do u want it to work i guess
[19:09] <harlowja> is the question :-P
[19:30] <smoser> harlowja, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6769790/
[19:30] <smoser> what do yo uthink of that ?
[19:30] <smoser> none_on not the best of variable names, but a list of status_codes that should return None without retry
[19:31] <harlowja> hmmm, what about a stop_retry_callback ?
[19:32] <harlowja> then u can pass that callback the last request, and it can stop the retry if it wants
[19:32] <harlowja> ?
[19:34] <harlowja> what do u think smoser ?
[19:36] <smoser> hm..
[19:36] <smoser> so you would just pass the exception
[19:36] <smoser> the UrlError ?
[19:36] <smoser> what is check_status ?
[19:37] <smoser> i think i can acutally just use that.
[19:38] <harlowja> ya
[19:38] <harlowja> there u go
[19:38] <harlowja> seems like a good usage
[19:38] <smoser> k
[20:08] <smoser> ok. utlemming i think i'm gonna merge the vendordata stuff now.
[20:09] <smoser> and then i'll merge some other thigns that i think halrow had suggested
[20:09] <utlemming> smoser: ack
[20:09] <smoser> and then i'm going to work to make NoCloud take vendordata
[20:10] <smoser> utlemming, i think that 'mergedvendoruser' is vestigial
[20:10] <smoser> right?
[20:12] <harlowja> like my third baby arm
[20:12] <harlowja> errr
[20:12] <harlowja> haha
[20:13] <smoser> yeah, i've never really understood why you have 3 arms
[20:14] <smoser> wierd
[20:28] <harlowja> lol
[20:29] <harlowja> not my fault at summits that the 3rd baby arm hits u in face, lol
[20:29] <harlowja> *mind of its own and all
[21:31] <smoser> harlowja, you there?
[21:31] <smoser> your added tests/unittests/test_ec2_util.py
[21:31] <smoser> has 2 test_metadata_fetch_key
[21:47] <smoser> jeeze harlowja .
[21:47] <smoser> now i have to fiddle wit hthis biuld-depends thingy httpretty
[21:49] <harlowja> lol
[21:49] <harlowja> smoser well its a nice http testing library
[21:49] <harlowja> it should hopefully already exist
[21:49] <smoser> yeah. but lots of fallout
[21:50] <smoser> bddeb now busted
[21:50] <smoser> (due to version)
[21:50] <harlowja> hmmm
[21:50] <smoser> and the version you depend on is > what we have in trusty
[21:50] <smoser> (but you work on trusty)
[21:50] <smoser> so i'm dropping that to 0.7.0
[21:50] <harlowja> k
[21:50] <harlowja> i think thats fine
[21:50] <harlowja> i can alter it if we really need
[21:50] <harlowja> and drop it
[21:53] <smoser> ithink th eeasies tthign right now is to drop it as a 'Requires'
[21:53] <smoser> but i guess i'd like a BuildRequires or somthin and put that in
[21:53] <smoser> but we have to plumb that into the ./packages
[21:54] <harlowja> ya, typically test-requires right?
[21:55] <harlowja> and thats only used for testing
[21:55] <smoser> is it.
[21:55] <harlowja> so then it doesn't need to be in buildrequires either
[21:55] <smoser> ?
[21:55] <harlowja> ya, from what i've seen at least
[21:55] <smoser> well in ubunt packaing i'm running the tests
[21:55] <harlowja> kk
[21:55] <smoser> so a file 'test-requires' ?
[21:58] <harlowja> sureee
[21:59] <harlowja> at least thats how openstack projects do it, maybe there is a different way
[22:02] <smoser> yeah. thats fine.
[22:02] <smoser> i'm gonna commit something really quick here to just drop tha tfor now
[22:02] <smoser> could you try to do a test-requires ?
[22:03] <smoser> err.. i'll handle that
[22:11] <smoser> ok. well, just pushed. './tools/bddeb -us -uc' works again
[22:11] <harlowja> i can
[22:11] <harlowja> shall i?
[22:11] <smoser> i added test-requires
[22:11] <harlowja> kk
[22:11] <smoser> but tidoesnt get used anywhere really.
[22:11] <harlowja> can probably add it to the makefile when make test is ran
[22:12] <smoser> alright. i have to run.
[22:12] <smoser> have a nice weekend all.
[22:12] <smoser> thanks for work.
[22:12] <harlowja> byeeeeeeeee!
[22:12] <smoser> i'll do more cloud-init work monday i hope
[22:12] <harlowja> *waves 3rd arm
[22:12] <smoser> and vendordata support for openstack (through the ec2metadata service)
[22:13] <harlowja> ya, i gotta work more on my openstackdatasource
[22:13] <smoser> and then when we get that Openstack datasource (that harlowja) was going to add...
[22:13] <smoser> :)
[22:13] <smoser> night night
[22:13] <smoser> later.
[22:13] <harlowja> lata
[23:20] <kwadronaut> morning
[23:21] <kwadronaut> cloud-init query --name instance_id gives me NotImplementedError: Action 'query' is not currently implemented
[23:22] <kwadronaut> which makes me a sad panda. using the package from debian backports, 0.7.2 Is this expected, anything i can do t ofix it?
[23:29] <harlowja> hmmmm, i still think its not fully implemented (unless i forget)
[23:29] <harlowja> https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/query-back-duo
[23:29] <harlowja> kwadronaut ^
[23:29] <harlowja> 'Integrate a slightly cleaner query tool, bring it back to life!'
[23:29] <harlowja> lol
[23:30] <kwadronaut> heh
[23:31] <kwadronaut> it's i think good to have, especially for beginners trying to debug.
[23:33] <harlowja> agreed
[23:33] <harlowja> most of the data though is at /var/lib/cloud/ though
[23:33] <harlowja> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/dir_layout.html
[23:34] <harlowja> but not so easy as just using that tool
[23:41] <kwadronaut> yep


[03:54] <theCore> what is the first program in Ubuntu's toolchain?
[03:56] <Keybuk> the general definition of a toolchain is there isn't a "first" program :p
[03:56] <theCore> oh
[03:56] <theCore> gcc, glibc, binutils?
[03:56] <Keybuk> e.g. gcc is written in C, so needs gcc
[03:56] <Keybuk> and uses make to be built, which is written in C, so needs gcc
[03:56] <Keybuk> and both use glibc, which is written in C and uses make, so needs both
[03:56] <theCore> I see
[03:57] <theCore> I just building a quiz, for #ubuntu-trivia, I thought it could be a good question
[03:58] <theCore> do you know any hard questions?
[03:58] <Keybuk> what kind of questions are you thinking of?
[03:58] <theCore> one-liners
[03:58] <Keybuk> there's fun Ubuntu trivia
[03:58] <Keybuk> "Which Ubuntu core developer originally wrote dpkg?"
[03:58] <theCore> lol
[03:58] <Keybuk> or more fun
[03:58] <Keybuk> "How many Ubuntu core developers have been, or currently are, maintainers of dpkg or apt?"
[04:00] <theCore> thanks, I save this one for the quiz
[04:02] <Keybuk> I think of bad ones though :-/
[04:02] <Keybuk> "In total, how many laptops have been stolen during Ubuntu conferences?"
[04:02] <theCore> shoot :)
[04:03] <Keybuk> it's probably about 10 so far
[04:03] <theCore> that's nasty
[04:06] <theCore> it will be the third quiz I do today, I'm losing inspiration...
[04:07] <theCore> s/losing/short of/
[04:10] <Keybuk> that's a lot of quizzes
[04:10] <theCore> 25 questions each
[04:12] <Keybuk> I've never even heard of #ubuntu-trivia :p
[04:13] <Keybuk> I'm curious now,  what was the last quiz you did? :p
[04:13] <theCore> an hour ago
[04:14] <theCore> the log are at http://peadrop.com/trivia/
 20. Write a regex that parse phone-numbers.
[04:17] <Keybuk> heh
[04:18] <Keybuk> .+
[04:18] <theCore> hehe
 21. What is the standard treading library for Linux?
[04:19] <Keybuk> not pthreads
[04:19] <Keybuk> (technically)
[04:19] <theCore> bthread?
[04:19] <Keybuk> Native Posive Threading Library would be the correct answer
[04:19] <Keybuk> gah, POSIX :p
[04:19] <theCore> ah
[04:19] <Keybuk> previously it was LinuxThreads
[04:19] <Keybuk> both happen to implement the pthread_* functions, of course
[04:24] <theCore> I'm giving a quiz now
[04:24] <theCore> 1.   Bendy Badger?!"
[04:28] <Keybuk> "I LIKE IT!"
[04:28] <Keybuk> mdz nearly killed me
[04:29] <theCore> rofl!
[04:44] <theCore> Keybuk:  just a random question: does Python has first-class functions?
[04:44] <Keybuk> no idea
[04:45] <Keybuk> I've never really understood what that means :p
[05:20] <theCore> Which Ubuntu core developer originally wrote dpkg?
[05:21] <theCore> who is it
[05:21] <theCore> it isn't you Keybuk?
[05:21] <theCore> Ian Jackson?
[05:21] <Keybuk> no
[05:21] <Keybuk> iwj
[05:21] <Keybuk> yeah
[05:22] <theCore> you maintained dpkg, isn't it?
[05:23] <Keybuk> yes, as did Ben Collins
[05:25] <theCore> did all Ubuntu core-dev maintained dpkg?
[05:25] <Keybuk> no


[15:47] <TomyLobo2> I'm trying to install xpra. turns out it can't be installed at the same time as the xorg HWE packages... great.
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> TomyLobo2: sounds like bug #1862984 ?
[15:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Bug 1862984 in xpra (Ubuntu) "xpra package pulls in dependencies that force the removal of the Hardware Enablement X server" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862984
[15:51] <TomyLobo2> yeah i'm trying the vendor packages now, maybe they're better
[15:52] <TomyLobo2> yep, they are
[15:55] <ogra> heh, that bug is rather useless ... the reporter could at least have attached the terminal output of apt ...
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> maybe TomyLobo2 can do it :p
[15:58] <ogra> yeah, that at least gives it a chance that someone looks at it
[15:58] <ogra> (instead of just closing)
[16:00] <TomyLobo2> I'm on 18.04, no use reporting a bug for that
[16:00] <TomyLobo2> the remote I'm connecting to is my new machine, I'm in the process of moving and VNC performance is crap
[16:26] <TomyLobo2> ok, xpra is much better
[16:39]  * ogra wonders what happened to x2go ... is that too old fashioned ?
[17:45] <TomyLobo2> x2go can't shadow an existing display
[17:48] <ogra> ah, right
[17:52] <TomyLobo2> anyway, I installed xpra 3.x from the vendor repos instead of whatever version is in the 18.04 repos. seems to work fine. 4.x wasn't compatible with my python3 version, it seems.
[17:53] <TomyLobo2> I'm calling it a day, bye :)