[20:39] <Bombo> TrentonAdams: Linux ubuntu 3.5.0-17-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 9 19:31:23 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:39] <auburtic> Hi, any idea howany idea how to kill opened sockets on port 80 on ubuntu?
[20:39] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: and if you want gnome2 and just want to flam about unity, you should look out for some alternative mentioned before. unity is not gnome2, thats it
[20:40] <TrentonAdams> super+a just brings up dash, which shows nothing.  Then I click an icon on the bottom (which I don't know what it means) and then a screen with all install applications shows up.  That screen doesn't group them.
[20:40] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/6175859853_941086d046_o.png
[20:40] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: I'm trying desperately to try and find out how Unity works.  That's why I'm asking questions.
[20:41] <cheekee> BluesKaj: ok! Thanks very much! But there is still a problem with flightgear if the flagship sophisticated open software game on Linux does not work properly due to problems with configuring joysticks and yokes
[20:41] <velocity> I have to say, these past 3 months using ubuntu has been more stable than the previous 3 months using windows.
[20:41] <Bombo> whats the unity 'laucher' on the left called?
[20:41] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: else there is a lense somewhere in the PPAs which give you a gnome2 grouping by default.
[20:41] <Bombo> (in ps)
[20:41] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: So they aren't grouped by default then?
[20:41] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: you should decide now if you want something that looks like gome2 or not. unity will never be gnome2 so this would be a dead end from now on
[20:42] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to do/ :D
[20:42] <mrgt> I have a problem. I selected a driver
[20:42] <mrgt> * oops
[20:42] <TrentonAdams> I do wonder though, where can these things be discussed to make Unity "user friendly"?
[20:42] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: then read what i said above. and search the net for the gnome2 lookalike lense (i dont know where it is out of my head)
[20:43] <shellmie> someone to discuss in french
[20:43] <TrentonAdams> I like the search feature, but "only" having a search feature, by default, is NOT user friendly.
[20:43] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: stop that userfriendly nonsens
[20:43] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: I will, thanks for the tip.
[20:43] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: Well it's not non-sense, I'd like to see Ubuntu get back to being user friendly, cause I've loved it up till now.
[20:43] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: its not you alone who decide what userfriendly is or not.
[20:43] <mrgt> Let me start again. I have a problem.. Ubuntu won't boot. I get the message "gave up waiting for root device "
[20:44] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: I agree with you, it's not, that's why it needs to be discussed.
[20:44] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: like i told you alot: unity will never be gnome2-alike. so dont blame unity not to be gnome2
[20:44] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: I don't expect it to be like gnome 2, it's not anything like gnome 2
[20:45] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: I simply expect it to be "user friendly".  Having a requirement for a user to "search" for an application that they may not know the name for, is not cool.
[20:45] <k1l_> its the same nonsense like the linux is not windows discussion. it just a dead-end discussion. thats it. so skip that part.
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[20:45] <FloodBot1> user_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:45] <user_> :s
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[20:45] <subman> How do I install glxgears?
[20:46] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: the search works for tagged words, not only the program names, too
[20:46] <mrgt> so can anyone help me? I was trying to fix my screen resolution and selected the proprietary  driver now Ubuntu won't boot.
[20:46] <bekks> subman: sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[20:46] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: yeah, just noticed that, just before you mentioned it.  That is actually cool.
[20:46] <jeeves_moss> how do I setup syslog so I can log my external routers, etc?
[20:46] <k1l_> for the rest: i told you how to find that grouped view i showed you in that picutre
[20:47] <k1l_> !unity | TrentonAdams
[20:47] <subman> bekks, Thanks!
[20:47] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: However, I'm trying to think of this from a layman's perspective.  They might not think of searching for "internet" for example.  Or maybe "text" for a text editor, etc.  So far, that was my biggest hurdle, I didn't know I could search on tagged words.
[20:48] <amanda1> hello, I'm having trouble with watching dvd's. I'm getting the error: "decryption library not installed"
[20:48] <emes> in a multi-monitor setup, is there any way to have one monitor display one workspace and another monitor display another?
[20:49] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | amanda1
[20:49] <cheekee> wow! I used to be in Customer Services, and it was rough. but you guys must be having an even tougher experience
[20:49] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: thanks for the lense tip.
[20:50] <OerHeks> amanda1,  install dvdread4 and run the script as described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[20:50] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: So, do you know if there is a way of making the windows not merge with the top bar, when maximized?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> amanda1, also make sure you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[20:50] <|nv|s|b|e>
[20:52]  * velocity loves ubuntu
[20:52] <BluesKaj> cheekee, not really ..we don't have to do this..we're all volunteers:)
[20:52] <lyda> i've set up an apt cache at http://frith:9999/ubuntu (it points at the irish mirror).
[20:52] <amanda1> Thank you!
[20:52] <lyda> how can i get the ubuntu installer to use it?
[20:52] <cheekee> BluesKaj: ok! cool!
[20:53] <lyda> i know that once installed i can edit /etc/apt/source.list, but is there a way to set this up in the installer?
[20:53] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: do you mean global menue?
[20:53] <BluesKaj> lyda, your package manager
[20:54] <ztgu> any thoughts on pci=nomsi
[20:54] <ztgu> ?
[20:54] <bekks> ztgu: Why?
[20:54] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: I don't know what I mean, cause I'm not familiar with the unity terminology.  However, when you maximize, the minimize, maximize, and close buttons, all get merged with the top menu bar.  I want them to be part of the window only.  I've heard that can be done.
[20:54] <lyda> BluesKaj: i don't understand that answer.  i'm aware that i need to configure the package manager.
[20:54] <psychopathic> http://ubuntuone.com/6cjBk6ycAsxOFyTqgfDiIX <-- Life the way I see it.
[20:55] <cheekee> BluesKaj: I guess after a few months, you'll all be Computer experts , and not only with Ubuntu
[20:55] <ztgu> suspend to ram problem? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEsF72DPLSo  It fixed this guys problem
[20:55] <ztgu> bekks
[20:55] <lyda> i'm asking how i can do that within the installer.
[20:55] <BluesKaj> lyda, look for the source repositories
[20:57] <BluesKaj> took a lot longer than a few months for me , cheekee , and I
[20:57] <BluesKaj> .I'm no expert
[20:57] <lyda> BluesKaj: clearly.
[20:57]  * locate is back (gone 00:38:27)
[20:57]  * locate is away: PS3 or sleeping or something...
[20:58] <bekks> !afk | locate
[20:58] <cheekee> lyda: that was unfair
[20:58] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: uhhh, i dont know if that is possible that easy
[20:58] <BluesKaj> lyda, we all use differnt desktops which use different package managers
[20:58] <lyda> i'm not asking about desktops.
[20:58] <lyda> i'm asking about the installer.
[20:58] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: okay.  Can I at least move it to the right, like you could with meta-city?
[20:59] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: the old trick should work on 12.04 but not for maximized windows.
[21:00] <lyda> the installer asks about a proxy, but it does not allow me to choose the hosts i'm going to update from.
[21:00] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: Trying ubuntu tweak, I'll see if it worked.
[21:01] <henrik1> any one got any ideas why i modprobe cant find nvidia-current on latest 12.10
[21:01] <lyda> i'm using approx as an apt proxy cache - so it's not a traditional proxy as such.
[21:02] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: the whole concept behind unity relies on the point to keep the mouse ways to the upper left. making buttons to the right and keep them out of the panel  etc. can cause a not intended user experience.
[21:03] <cheekee> lyda: Your query is so complex
[21:03] <Anaphaxeton> what is the smallest ubuntu iso i can find? i want a cli release that is not a server
[21:03] <Anaphaxeton> i saw there are some core images
[21:03] <Anaphaxeton> but i dont know how to use those
[21:03] <k1l_> Anaphaxeton: minimal install? or better netinstall
[21:03] <lyda> cheekee: ok.
[21:04] <Anaphaxeton> k1l_, which iso will give me that option?
[21:04] <Anaphaxeton> the regular one?
[21:04] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: Yeah, I could see a person accidentally clicking the minimize/restore buttons by accident, when trying to access the file menu.  That's probably why most systems have them at the top right.  But that's fine, that's just a preference anyhow.  I can live with it.  I'll try Unity for a bit.
[21:04] <k1l_> Anaphaxeton: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:04] <Anaphaxeton> ty k1l_
[21:05] <BluesKaj> henrik1, nvidia-current will install if you use the terminal to do so ...it doesn't get listed in additional driver" jockey etc for spme reason
[21:05] <cheekee> lyda: How to reconfigure the package manager? I mean you should be talking to Linus himself
[21:06] <henrik1> BluesKaj: ok great i feel like im runngin in circles ill try reinstalling it again
[21:06] <BluesKaj> cheekee, I think he's talking about the OS installer , somethin he forgot to mention in his questions
[21:07] <k1l_> TrentonAdams: i dont blame people to not like unity. you are free to use the desktop you want. just give unity a chance as it is. the developers made some brainstorming about it as it is (and canonical did some tests on users aswell). that is just my point in saying: dont try to make unity as a gnome2 replacement. it doesnt want to be made to a gnome2
[21:07] <BluesKaj> henrik1, again .what does glxinfo | grep OpenGL output
[21:09] <TrentonAdams> k1l_: No, I definitely see that it's not a gnome 2 replacement.  And, there are some good things about it.  The searching is cool.  I do feel like they should put some example searches as well though.  I did not think of searching by tags right away.  Now that I know, it's just fine, but it didn't come to mind quickly.  Although, that could be because I'm a programmer.
[21:09] <cheekee> BluesKaj: I think the root problem is the package mgr...She can install thousands of OS's
[21:09] <lyda> cheekee: uh.  no.  i should not.
[21:10] <elx> Ok guys i posted afew hours
[21:10] <lyda> ok, the answer is to use a pressed file for the installer.
[21:10] <lyda> er, preseed file.
[21:10] <lyda> it's docummented here: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html
[21:10] <elx> regarding mine Grub which was erased by windows8
[21:10] <henrik1> BluesKaj: omg mesa wasent even installed and not opengl either
[21:11] <BluesKaj> henrik1, no they aren't installed by default
[21:11] <ThinkT510> elx: you should always install windows before linux, windows will always overwrite the mbr
[21:11] <lyda> cheekee: the installer is modified from the debian installer and written as part of the debian project.  i have rather large doubts that linus has anything to do with coding it.
[21:12] <elx> ThinkT510, Yes actually i made that mistake
[21:12] <elx> i had ubuntu and installed windows8
[21:12] <elx> couldn't repair the grub even with super grub
[21:12] <elx> but finally found a solution online... and now it works
[21:13] <henrik1> any one know how you paste in weechat-curses?
[21:13] <elx> somebody here gave me some hints but i forgot their nicks to give them feedback regarding the problem...
[21:13] <Bombo> hmm how can i logon to unity from remote? i'm connected via ssh
[21:13] <BluesKaj> cheekee, do you know what installer means in that context now ?
[21:14] <bekks> Bombo: Using just ssh, you cant. You would have to enable XDMCP or you would have to use something like nxclient/nxserver or vnc.
[21:14] <Bombo> bekks: i got x11vnc
[21:15] <cheekee> that page you posted is pretty rough, and potentially damaging to a small company...I hope you test it first on only 1 PC
[21:16] <Bombo> bekks: but it won't run 'root@ubuntu$ x11vnc -display :0.0 -passwd foo' XOpenDisplay failed (:0.0)
[21:16] <Bombo> hmm
[21:17] <guntbert> cheekee: what are you talking about?
[21:18] <cheekee> guntbert: lyda : BluesKaj: This page https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html
[21:18] <BluesKaj> guntbert, cheekee is referring to this ,  https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html
[21:19] <bekks> Bombo: a) dont run it as root and b) you need an X server for running it.
[21:19] <Alloushi> hi
[21:19] <xjrn> where would i insert "btrs dev scan" to trigger before mountall in raring?
[21:19] <bekks> Bombo: You're better off using nxclient/nxserver.
[21:20] <ThinkT510> !13.04 | xjrn
[21:20] <Alloushi> guys I'm gonna move from Windows to Linux, but i have some concerns
[21:20] <xjrn> woops s/btrs/btrfs/
[21:21] <xjrn> ThinkT510: where would i insert "btrs dev scan" to trigger before mountall in Quetzal ?
[21:22] <ThinkT510> xjrn: no idea sorry, you do realise btrfs is still experimental?
[21:23] <xjrn> ThinkT510: where would i insert "/bin/sh yes" to trigger before mountall in Quetzal ?
[21:24] <ThinkT510> xjrn: i don't know sorry
[21:25] <cheekee> lyda: it seems she is gone already - testing a webpage that is like a grenade, if handled incorrectly
[21:26] <lyda> hm?
[21:26] <cheekee> lyda: oki you are still here
[21:27] <BluesKaj> who cares
[21:27] <cheekee> ok!
[21:28] <lyda> cheekee: i've been working on unix systems since 1989.  i've configured sun jumpstart and redhat's kickstart at different points.  debian's pressed system is, well, annoying, but it's not rocket science.
[21:28] <Alloushi> guys
[21:28] <Alloushi> today, I officially deleted my Facebook and Google+ accounts
[21:28] <lyda> in this case i'm looking at automating certain aspects of vm installs to build vagrant base boxes.
[21:29] <k1l_> Alloushi: ok, but that belongs into the offtopic channel :) #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:30] <JohnSnowstorm> hey guys, anyone know how to show the channel user/nick list in xchat - gnome - 0.3.0?
[21:30] <ThinkT510> JohnSnowstorm: use proper xchat
[21:31] <cheekee> BluesKaj: guntbert: Over to you. I am lost here.
[21:31] <JohnSnowstorm> and which version is the proper version?
[21:31] <Pillz> Ah, here we go
[21:31] <JohnSnowstorm> hey steel
[21:31] <Pillz> hi jss
[21:31] <ThinkT510> !info xchat | JohnSnowstorm
[21:32] <Pillz> so same version.  then userlist should be under view
[21:32] <k1l_> JohnSnowstorm: try the xchat without the -gnome
[21:32] <Pillz> try ctrl + f7
[21:32] <Alloushi> kll_
[21:32] <Alloushi> I didn't finish my sentence :D
[21:33] <JohnSnowstorm> ok, off i go on the quest for new irc client
[21:33] <Alloushi> what I was going to say is that, I don't wanna be depending on these stuff anymore
[21:33] <BluesKaj> cheekee, no matter , dunno what the guy is doing here asking us plebes about modding the installer mirrors previous to running the install
[21:33] <Alloushi> So I'm moving to Linux, leaving Windows
[21:33] <Alloushi> but I have CONCERNS
[21:33] <Alloushi> and I came here to get answers :D
[21:33] <Pillz> goodluck jss
[21:34] <ThinkT510> !enter | Alloushi
[21:34] <Pillz> i have quassel installed but never tried it
[21:34] <k1l_> Alloushi: ask a supportquestion and you will get answers if someone knows the answer. but chittychat goes to the offtopic channel please
[21:35] <Alloushi> okay guys sorry, anyway, currently I'm doing many projects, JSP project on Netbeans, and an APS.net project using visual Studio, <-- which isn't available on linux of course, but when I'm done with it, I will install Linux, I installed Ubuntu before, but I feel that Ubuntu became a company that seeks profit, just like windows
[21:36] <Jaus> Hello, I am trying to use MultiArch i386 dev files. When I try installing the deb package through synaptic the deb says it will remove 64 bit versions from mt filesystem.
[21:36] <k1l_> Alloushi: keep in mind, that this is a technical support channel. do you have a technical support question?
[21:37] <Alloushi> kll_ , well no, but who has some time ? I need someone to answer my questions, in private
[21:37] <BluesKaj> canonical has an enterprise division , Alloushi m but a lot of linux distros do.
[21:37] <k1l_> Alloushi: then try #ubuntu-discuss ot #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:38] <BluesKaj> !pm | Alloushi
[21:39] <henrik1> i did a purge and autoclean on the nvidia drivers and redownloaded however still got the same issue
[21:41] <henrik1> i get this runing glxinfo xlib: extention (glx) missing on display 0
[21:41] <Kilumnati> anyone here know how to get capture device Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2304:021e Pinnacle Systems, Inc. Dazzle DVC170 to work in ubuntu 12.10
[21:41] <henrik1> and modprobe wont find the module
[21:43] <mint> can i access another partitions in my hdd when iam using live cd?
[21:43] <henrik1> even tried downloading new headers
[21:44] <bekks> mint: Yes.
[21:44] <henrik1> mint: use fdisk -l
[21:44] <Kilumnati> anyone here have my capture device and get it work in ubuntu 12.10
[21:44] <seeqwell> take a looksie.  Why does my machine keep slamming off http://pastebin.com/eC1HxAaf
[21:44] <mint> henrik1: nothing
[21:44] <henrik1> mint:  then use: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[21:45] <henrik1> where you change the path to the drive you got
[21:45] <mint> henrik1: i forgot sudo
[21:45] <henrik1> mint: you need to run it with sudo
[21:45] <henrik1> mint:  yeah
[21:45] <BluesKaj> mint, yes , you use the mount command , sudo mount /dev/sdX /mnt  , sdX being the partiition designation from fdisk -l
[21:46] <Kilumnati> anyone here help me out?
[21:46] <BluesKaj> Kilumnati, just ask your question
[21:46] <Kilumnati> anyone here know how to get capture device Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2304:021e Pinnacle Systems, Inc. Dazzle DVC170 to work in ubuntu 12.10
[21:47] <bekks> Kilumnati: You'll need to find out wether that device is supported by linux at all, and then, you have to find out which kernel module you'll have to use.
[21:48] <BluesKaj> Kilumnati, is it a tv tuner capture card ?
[21:49] <Kilumnati> well this guy on youtube does  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biQ8FXxoXN8
[21:49] <Alloushi> bye beoble
[21:50] <Gemclip> where can i download the ISO files for ubuntu using torrents?
[21:50] <bekks> Gemclip: You'll find the links on http://www.ubuntu.com
[21:51] <Gemclip> i see the download links but they all seem to dl via http
[21:52] <Gemclip> found it under al
[21:52] <Gemclip> alt
[21:55] <BluesKaj> bbl ...stuff to do
[21:57] <Stmeter> Hi guys. I'm using cheese to see if I have a webcam that works. Although every time I open it, it crashes. Where are the log files located?
[22:01] <Stmeter> Or if you can recommend any other app that allows me to view my webcam
[22:01] <OerHeks> Stmeter, start cheese from the terminal grabbing the output: cheese 2>&1 > cheese.log
[22:02] <grkblood> are there issue with the maverick repos right now?
[22:03] <grkblood> issues*
[22:03] <OerHeks> grkblood, maverick is EOL, and updates are removed
[22:03] <OerHeks> grkblood, there is a way to obtain those old updates
[22:05] <Stmeter> OerHeks: No log file was printed.
[22:05] <OerHeks> grkblood, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Requirements howto add old-releases
[22:05] <grkblood> thanks
[22:05] <paris> folks! how to setup Wifi wireless in ubuntu 12.4 ?
[22:06] <OerHeks> grkblood, i am not sure why you want to continue that old version, upgrading is safer
[22:06] <MonkeyDust> !wifi | paris
[22:07] <OerHeks> Stmeter, that logfile should be in your home folder, at the level of /Documents/ and /Downloads/
[22:07] <Stmeter> OerHeks, yes it's empty.
[22:07] <nashant> Hi guys, I'm getting LOADS of segfault errors. Here's the paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/1480253/ Any idea?
[22:08] <OerHeks> Stmeter, maybe dmesg log shows something
[22:10] <Kilumnati> thats my device how can i get it to work in ubuntu http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_Dazzle_Video_Creator_%28DVC170%29
[22:11] <jhansonxi> nashant: Bad RAM?
[22:11] <nashant> jhansonxi: Shouldn't be, it's almost brand new and it was working absolutely fine up until a couple of hours ago
[22:11] <paris> big thanks for that, and I am going to read , for now take care!
[22:13] <nashant> jhansonxi: The only thing that's changed is I installed a gt520 in my machine, it was using an integrated radeon before that. I had to chroot in and install nvidia-current, which uninstalled fglrx
[22:13] <jhansonxi> nashant: I had a new system develop RAM errors about two weeks after it was put into service.  Running memtest on it is a simple way to eliminate that possibility.
[22:14] <jhansonxi> nashant: Could also be a power problem if the supply can't handle the additional GPU power load.
[22:14] <nashant> and how do I run memtest?
[22:14] <yalu> damn
[22:14] <yalu> updated my ltsp client image, and it broke sound... pulseaudio says "XOpenDisplay() failed"
[22:15] <jhansonxi> Reboot and hold the Shift key down before Ubuntu boots.  You'll get a menu of boot options.  It's usually near the bottom of the list.  Or you can download the ISO and burn it to a CD: http://www.memtest.org
[22:16] <nashant> jhansonxi: psu should be fine. 750W running 4 SATA disks, and the GT520
[22:17] <jhansonxi> nashant: Also check the obvious stuff like loose memory modules, cards, cables, CPU heatsink.
[22:17] <yalu> I've been juggling around kernels and client images for more than a day trying to make non-pae capable clients work and learned depressingly little how to troubleshoot ltsp
[22:18] <nashant> jhansonxi: I don't have memtest option
[22:18] <jhansonxi> nashant: Then try the ISO from their web site
[22:19] <gnumber9> .
[22:19] <bekks> nashant: Then just install memtest86++ and you will get one.
[22:19] <nashant> cheers bekks
[22:20] <grish> anyone have a good source for themes? I'm on ubuntu 12.04
[22:20] <MonkeyDust> !themes > grish
[22:21] <gbear14275> is there a list of the launchers in unity somewhere?  I'm trying to learn how to make launcher files and was hoping to snoop on some in the unity "dock?"
[22:22] <nashant> jhansonxi: Just noticed that libc6-i386 was on the autoremove list. I've been getting error 4 in libc-2.15.so. Could this be the problem?
[22:22] <gbear14275> I'm also having a hard time getting my new minecraft icon to work properly, it just flashes a terminal instead of launching the program
[22:22] <nashant> bekks: memtest86++ already installed
[22:23] <bekks> nashant: You could also just use a livecd.
[22:24] <jhansonxi> nashant: I don't think so.  The i386 version would only be needed if a 32-bit program needed it and you are using a 64-bit system.
[22:24] <nashant> I am
[22:24] <nashant> I've just rebooted and now python is crashing
[22:25] <jhansonxi> nashant: That kind of random/creeping error is usually indicative of hardware failure (RAM, CPU)
[22:25] <nashant> oh ****ing wonderful
[22:25] <merozone2002> what?
[22:25] <nashant> python and php dying
[22:26] <shomon> hi, anyone know a bit about empathy in ubuntu?  I mean pidgin
[22:27] <jhansonxi> nashant: The main thing is to isolate the cause of it and avoid chasing phantom problems.  IOW, don't spend time trying to compile a custom kernel to solve a problem caused by failing hardware.
[22:28] <nashant> I wasn't even thinking of doing that
[22:29] <jhansonxi> nashant: Not literally.  One of the main skills you learn when troubleshooting PCs is differentiating between hardware and software failures.  Random crashes affecting many unrelated programs, and errors involving ever increasing number of programs usually indicates hardware failure.
[22:30] <nashant> Yeah, unfortunately that makes a lot of sense
[22:31] <devnull_> hello
[22:32] <jhansonxi> nashant: If the system is stable when first powered on (cold) but starts failing later or when under heavy load (hot) then it usually indicates a thermally-related problem like a faulty fan, poor heatsink mounting, or marginal chip behavior (almost anything including CPU, GPU, north/south bridge, RAM)
[22:32] <nashant> jhansonxi: Nope. php and python fail immediately
[22:33] <KBentley57> hi guys.  Does the AMD catalyst package provided by ubuntu install the 32 bit and 64 bit drivers?
[22:33] <jhansonxi> nashant: Easy way to isolate hardware problems is to put the drives in a different system and see if the problem still occurs.
[22:34] <nashant> would be easy if I had access to another system
[22:34] <jhansonxi> You could try removing the GTS card and see what happens.
[22:34] <KBentley57> I'm trying to get wine running better.  I suspect it's because I'm on a 64 bit install, and it can't "find" the 32bit drivers
[22:34] <nashant> Now /bin/df has failed
[22:35] <bekks> nashant: Then run a memtest.
[22:35] <nashant> that's what I'm trying
[22:35] <nashant> but got a live usb that doesn't show memtest
[22:36] <MonkeyDust> KBentley57  some 200 people in #winehq
[22:36] <nashant> and I'm trying to add it in to my grub, but no love
[22:36] <bekks> nashant: Just use another livecd.
[22:37] <jhansonxi> nashant: Best to use other media.  Changing anything on a mounted filesystem when you have random errors is really asking for data loss.  I would disconnect the hard drives and boot from a CD/DVD, USB drive, or netboot PXE from a server
[22:39] <KI4RO> My computer will not Restart...any suggestions?
[22:39] <KBentley57> MonkeyDust, I know, I'm getting ready to go there.  I've been down this road before trying to get L4DII to run correctly and I was having similar issues.  I've got a 6970 2GB card, and am only getting 30 fps or so.  Should be much more.
[22:41] <KBentley57> KI4RO, hard reset?
[22:41] <KI4RO> KBentley57, Yes, I can force it with the power switch
[22:42] <KI4RO> KBentley57, If that's what you're asking
[22:42] <MonkeyDust> KI4RO  sudo shutdown -r now
[22:42] <KBentley57> KI4RO,  Oh, you mean "why will it not restart?"
[22:42] <KI4RO> KBentley57, Yes, when I select Restart from gear at the top
[22:43] <KI4RO> KBentley57, It goes along for a while like its going to happen then the screen goes black and that's the end of it
[22:43] <thesmallestpossi> iI have a huge penis
[22:44] <KBentley57> KI4RO, do you have a PCIe graphics card?
[22:44] <KI4RO> thesmallestpossi, Not in this room
[22:44] <thesmallestpossi> No but my penis is small
[22:44] <KI4RO> KBentley57, I don't think so, its a laptop
[22:45] <KBentley57> KI4RO, Ok, does it have any sort of gpu other than the one built in to the processor or chipset?
[22:45] <KI4RO> KBentley57, Toshiba Satellite a 135
[22:45] <nashant> ok, I found the memtest option on the live usb, but it says cannot load ramdisk with old kernel image
[22:45] <KI4RO> KBentley57, No, I have not made any mods to it
[22:47] <KBentley57> KI4RO, I was going to suggest making sure you have any propriatary drivers installed.  My system did the same thing until I had the right display drivers
[22:47] <jhansonxi> nashant: I'm not sure what the error means exactly.  Could be a problem with the live USB configuration or a false message due to the hardware error.
[22:47] <KI4RO> KBentley57, How would I know about propietary drivers?
[22:48] <jhansonxi> nashant: Try the Live USB memtest on a different system to see if it works there.
[22:49] <KBentley57> KI4RO, which version of ubuntu do you have?
[22:50] <KI4RO> KBentley57, I can use boot-repair and it will work one time and then it won't do it again.  I'm running 12.10
[22:52] <machicola> anyone know where keyboard shortcuts is located for gnome fallback desktop? hide/show desktop command doesn't seem to be working for me
[22:52] <machicola> which I thought would be default set to ctrl+alt+D
[22:54] <KBentley57> KI4RO, go to a terminal and run "ubuntu-drivers list"
[22:54] <KI4RO> KBentley57, Okay
[22:54] <KBentley57> KI4RO, it should show any that you can install.  If it lists nothing, you should be ok
[22:55] <KI4RO> KBentley57, It showed nothing
[22:55] <KBentley57> KI4RO, hm, then it's probably not driver related.  What is the model of the notebook? If you don't mind sharing.
[22:55] <KI4RO> KBentley57, Its a Toshiba Laptop Satellite A135
[22:56] <mike_papa> Hello, is it possible to use current user name wildcard in fstab?
[22:57] <machicola> what does "ctrl+Super+D" mean regarding keyboard
[22:57] <machicola> or, what does Super refer to
[22:57] <mike_papa> machiola: windows key?
[22:57] <KBentley57> KI4RO, have you ever used pastebin?
[22:57] <nashant> jhansonxi: The problem is uefi. And if I try and boot non-uefi it just hangs. Or seems to
[22:57] <KI4RO> machicola, The "windows" key
[22:57] <KI4RO> KBentley57, No
[22:57] <machicola> ahh, thankyou!
[22:57] <machicola> so it's useful after all :P
[22:58] <mike_papa> machiola: most probably. Or "apple" key, or whatever you have between ctrl and alt.
[22:58] <nashant> oh balls. looks like LOADS of errors
[22:58] <jhansonxi> nashant: I haven't worked with UEFI yet so I can't help with that.
[22:58] <machicola> nice, making progress
[22:59] <bekks> nashant: broken RAM?
[22:59] <KBentley57> KI4RO, Can you try to copy the output of "sudo lshw" into the text box of http://pastebin.com, submit, and give me the link here?
[22:59] <nashant> jhansonxi: ok, been running just over a minute and 8.5k errors
[22:59] <jhansonxi> nashant: With memtest?
[22:59] <KBentley57> KI4RO, it posts a bit of lengthy output, and it would flood the room otherwise
[22:59] <nashant> yup
[22:59] <KI4RO> KBentley57, I'll give it a try
[22:59] <bekks> nashant: Then it is broken.
[23:00] <KBentley57> KI4RO, ok.  just let me know if you need help on a certain part
[23:00] <nashant> Yeah, I thought that as soon as half the screen turned red
[23:00] <jhansonxi> nashant: Could be: bad RAM (try different RAM modules), bad motherboard (try RAM in different system), or bad RAM controller in CPU (if intergrated)
[23:03] <jal> #
[23:04] <antispin> hey, i'm trying to make a bootable USB stick with ubuntu 12.10 using mac osX 10.6, so i'm trying to convert the .iso to a .img using hdiutil. i specified the output as /Desktop/ubunutu.img, but after the resulting file is ubuntu.img.dmg, is this OK?
[23:05] <alfabit> nashant, do you have more than 1 stick of RAM in the system ?
[23:05] <KI4RO> KBentley57, Okay its there:  http://pastebin.com/FxvbgNm6
[23:05] <nashant> alfabit: yup. 2x4GB
[23:05] <KI4RO> KBentley57, I think LOL
[23:05] <nashant> After it's finished I'm gonna play about with swapping them around
[23:06] <pythor> Can anyone help me get my Ubuntu 12.10 machine booting again?  It just stopped booting last night.  I'm pretty sure  the hardware is OK, as I'm running it now on a 12.04 live USB.
[23:06] <alfabit> nashant, exactly.
[23:06] <alfabit> If you are lucky, it is just one of the 2 sticks
[23:06] <alfabit> and not a memory controller inside the CPU.
[23:06] <nashant> hopefully only 1 is failing. Then I'll get them to just send out a new one
[23:06] <mapass> antispin, you could give a try to UNetBootin @ http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[23:07] <nashant> If not, then I'll get them to send me a whole new set (mboard, cpu, ram)
[23:07] <alfabit> pythor, what's the last thing you see when you boot the 12.10 installation?
[23:08] <antispin> mapass: so it's not good that it the resulting file has .dmg appended to the ebd
[23:08] <antispin> *end
[23:08] <pythor> POST, then a message indicating a missing OS.  From the live usb, I can still see my files are there.  I have a small efi partition and  60GB ubuntu partition.
[23:09] <pythor> I tried running Boot Repair, but that hasn't helped.
[23:09] <c_smith> Hi, I'm trying to install some games that are packaged in the Nixstaller, and these installers keep hanging at "Execute: /tmp/selfgzxxxxx/bin/linux/x86_64/libc.so.6/lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock" and not moving on.
[23:10] <c_smith> is there anything I can try?
[23:10] <bekks> c_smith: Which Ubuntu are you on, and whats the "Nixstaller"?
[23:10] <alfabit> pythor, sounds like GRUB - the bootloader - may have been corrupted.
[23:10] <Jlinkz> wow you guys look busy
[23:10] <c_smith> bekks, 12.10. and Nixstaller is detailed here: http://nixstaller.sourceforge.net/news.php
[23:11] <Jlinkz> hi, I think the dns for my ubuntu server is messed up. when i type the comand apt-get update it returns a lot of errors. can someone help?
[23:11] <alfabit> pythor: If you can boot the system once, you can re-run 'update-grub' and that should let you boot the system again.
[23:11] <c_smith> Jlinkz, I'd suggest pastebinning at least some of those errors and providing them to the nice folks here.
[23:11] <KBentley57> KI4RO, sorry, gone for a moment, looking over it now
[23:11] <KI4RO> KBentley57, np
[23:12] <Jlinkz> working on that
[23:12] <pythor> alfabit, I can only boot on the live usb.  Any idea how to get it to boot that first time?
[23:12] <alfabit> pythor: You might try Super Grub Disk supergrubdisk.org to get it to boot the 12.10 system.
[23:12] <bekks> Jlinkz: Which errors?
[23:12] <c_smith> bekks, if you meant what the nixstaller is for, it's one for each of the Humble Bundle games I have.
[23:12] <pythor> alfabit, OK, I'll try that.  Thanks.
[23:12] <c_smith> that come in that format, that is.
[23:14] <sweb> i have an error using SSD hard ... mount parition that located on `/` error during click on natilus http://paste.ubuntu.com/1480592/
[23:14] <mapass> antispin: im not sure, because ive never used hdiutil nor mac os... but it could be fine.. but i cant guarantee
[23:14] <bekks> sweb: The error tells you what to do.
[23:15] <Jlinkz> http://pastebin.com/PYnhQXkv
[23:15] <sweb> bekks: it's not NTFS ... but natilus see as another partion but it's '/'
[23:15] <mapass> antispin: maybe this could be useful http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[23:15] <nashant> jhansonxi: how much do you know about memtest?
[23:15] <bekks> sweb: Your error message tells something different.
[23:15] <nashant> or bekks
[23:16] <bekks> nashant: When it shows errors, your hardware is broken.
[23:16] <sweb> bekks: yep ... so i need help
[23:16] <mapass> antispin: look at 3th step :)
[23:16] <jhansonxi> nashant: Not an expert but I've used it quite a bit.  Normally I don't need to mess with any options.
[23:16] <nashant> Yeah, but I'm trying to figure out which bits are broken
[23:16] <Jlinkz> here is some of the errors http://pastebin.com/PYnhQXkv i cant connect to any websites?
[23:16] <bekks> nashant: In the last 20 years I never saw a system with memtest error and NO broken hardware.
[23:17] <bekks> nashant: RAM, mainboard, CPU - as jhansonxi already told you.
[23:17] <nashant> it seems to throw errors when testing 8192-8668 of 8171M
[23:17] <antispin> mapass: yeah, i'm following that guide, it notes that OSX tends to add .dmg, but it's ambiguous as to whether or not that's good or bad. I think it's ok though, Thank you!
[23:17] <alfabit> nashant, that's the range of the bad DIMM
[23:17] <alfabit> so pull out the first stick.
[23:17] <alfabit> re-run the test.
[23:17] <nashant> That's what I thought
[23:17] <alfabit> It will probably chug along w/ no errors..
[23:17] <nashant> but surely that would come at the end of the 2nd dimm
[23:18] <nashant> but if it says it's testing 8192-8668 of 8171, might that not mean a bad controller?
[23:18] <alfabit> If DIMMs are less than 8GB, yes, I guess so..
[23:18] <jhansonxi> nashant: Hard to deduce.  It depends on how the memory addresses are assigned to the modules.  Most systems will boot with a single module so remove one and retest.
[23:18] <nashant> the dimms are 4GB
[23:18] <ohshitgorillas> Hi there! When booting with the server or minimal installer, how do I enable compatibility with Bluetooth devices?
[23:18] <alfabit> nashant, just make sure to test the easy stuff first :)
[23:19] <alfabit> pulling a DIMM is easy.
[23:19] <nashant> total memory should be 8192, but memtest is saying there's 8171
[23:19] <alfabit> sometimes the RAM sockets are dodgy, too, on inexpensive boards. A reseat might help. But pull it first, and see if you can get a clear run with memtest.
[23:19] <mapass> antispin: You're welcome... and good luck :)
[23:19] <bekks> nashant: Then pull one DIMM and retest.
[23:20] <nashant> Yeah, I'll let the whole test run while I'm sleeping, then pull it out in the morning and retest
[23:20] <alfabit> nashant, don't do that.
[23:20] <nashant> alfabit: how come?
[23:20] <alfabit> nashant, you've got an error, stop the test right away.
[23:20] <bekks> nashant: You already KNOW the test is failing. Stop it, pull one DIMM and retest.
[23:20] <jhansonxi> nashant: Some may be reserved for GPU sharing (common with integrated video).
[23:21] <KBentley57> KI4RO, i don't see anything out of the ordinary, however, I do see that there is a bios update for your model on toshiba's website.  I would suggest trying that first.
[23:21] <ohshitgorillas> How do I enable bluetooth compatibility when using the server installer? I need it for my keyboard and mouse... and I'm too lazy to go down to goodwill and pick up a ps/2 keyboard =P
[23:21] <jhansonxi> nashant: Even a single error is bad so when you find one you can assume that something is faulty and needs to be repaired or replaced.
[23:22] <KI4RO> KBentley57, Thank you so much...appreciate your time....Happy 2013 to you and yours
[23:22] <KBentley57> Thanks, you too.  Good luck with it - issues like this are just tiny aggravations :)
[23:22] <nashant> right
[23:22] <nashant> test stopped
[23:23] <nashant> dimm 2 pulled, retesting
[23:23] <Jlinkz> can someone help me, i cant connect to the internet on my ubuntu server?
[23:23] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: Can you access the BIOS with it?
[23:23] <bekks> Jlinkz: Did you pastebin the errors you get?
[23:23] <Jlinkz> yes i posted it twice
[23:23] <Jlinkz> http://pastebin.com/PYnhQXkv
[23:23] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: yep
[23:24] <bekks> Jlinkz: Pastebin "cat /etc/resolv.conf" please.
[23:24] <nashant> on to test #4, and no errors
[23:24] <Jlinkz> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[23:24] <Jlinkz> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[23:24] <Jlinkz> thats it
[23:24] <FloodBot1> Jlinkz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:24] <alfabit> nashant, sounds like it's your DIMM :) Relatively good news.
[23:24] <bekks> Jlinkz: You dont have a DNS server configured.
[23:25] <ohshitgorillas> technically it's USB but it's the logitech unifying USB/halfassed bluetooth
[23:25] <alfabit> nashant, in proper operation, memtest86+ will take ~6-12 hrs to uncover some errors
[23:25] <Jlinkz> how do i edit it ?
[23:25] <bekks> Jlinkz: How did you configure the IP of your server?
[23:26] <dinosaurvskitten> how can I simply run a command in ubuntu 12.10? Hitting 'super' is intuitively the one that should work since it also does search and all those things, but typing "urxvt" in it doesn't do anything, even though it's a valid command.
[23:26] <Jlinkz> i have a static ip
[23:26] <Jlinkz> oh wait let me try something
[23:26] <nashant> alfabit: well the first time I ran it it took less than a minute
[23:26] <volty> hi, I wanted, as usual, to get and burn kubuntu on an rw disk but this time the size execeedes its capacity (i can burn 702.3 but not 703.3 mb (kubuntu-12.04-1-desktop-i386,   while the last version that is ok is 702.3 but is for amd64)
[23:26] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: I have one of those but haven't used it for a non-GUI install.  I would assume that if it worked in the BIOS then it would work in the text-based installers.  Maybe you need a bt module loaded in the kernel and maybe a BT daemon (bluez?)
[23:27] <alfabit> nashant, yup. When it's really bad..you get errors right away.
[23:27] <f^3> Good afternoon. I installed the fglrx amdcccle package but when i login i dont see the sidebar or menu bar at the top.
[23:27] <alfabit> nashant, you probably are out of the woods now, but just to be safe, you could now run memtest overnight. If it's still going in the morning..with no errors..just RMA that DIMM.
[23:27] <f^3> I do see my desktop icons though
[23:28] <dinosaurvskitten> (put in other words: where has alt-f2 gone?)
[23:28] <dinosaurvskitten> the answer is nowhere and fn-lock was off
[23:28] <alfabit> dinosaurvskitten, terminal or uxterm
[23:28] <jhansonxi> f^3: Do you have more than one video device?  It could be expanding the desktop to use an integrated video it detects but doesn't have a monitor connected.
[23:28] <nono> http://grooveshark.com/#!/playlist/Llm+Playlist+1/65811302*
[23:28] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: is there a way to add kernel modules to starting the installer? it lets me choose a language, asks me to start the installer, and then becomes unresponsive asking for keyboard layout
[23:29] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: but I don't know, if I can append something to the start of the installer somehow, how I would use that to load kernel modules anyway
[23:29] <f^3> Jhansonxi i have an integrated graphics card. Let me swap my inputs real fast.
[23:30] <nashant> alfabit: found it. RIP dimm 2
[23:30] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: That's a tough one.  It's been quite a while since I had that kind of problem.  The modules need to be available in the installer's image at least.
[23:30] <alfabit> nashant, cool :)
[23:30] <Jlinkz> ok i mistyped something
[23:31] <nono>  modconf
[23:32] <f^3> Jhansonxi, the vga ports are pnp right? If so than the internal card must be disabled.
[23:32] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: yeah, it's been plaguing me for a while. if there was only a way to at least get it to where I could just use ssh
[23:32] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: When I had a problem with a missing module, I switched to an older Ubuntu release that had it in the installer, installed that Ubuntu version, then upgraded.  Really slow but it worked.
[23:32] <nashant> alfabit: well not cool, but good that I've found the problem
[23:32] <nashant> New Years Eve tomorrow though. I'll pour one out for my dead homie
[23:33] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: The only other way I can think of is a serial console connection with a null-modem cable.
[23:33] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: yeah, it'd be easier at this point to just go to goodwill and pick up a ps/2 keyboard, lol
[23:33] <jhansonxi> f^3: Depends on BIOS.
[23:34] <f^3> Where are the unity configurations stored?
[23:34] <ohshitgorillas> is there a way to do a minimal installation from the desktop installer? I really dread having to spend hours de-bloating
[23:34] <alfabit> nashant, the other thing you can do..if you have 4 or more RAM slots, pop that "bad" one into a different slot. I've seen that work, when it's just a bad connection.
[23:34] <jhansonxi> f^3: I use Xfce so I don't know much about Unity
[23:35] <nashant> alfabit: only 2 slots, but I tried it in the known good slot and it still gave errors
[23:35] <alfabit> ohshitgorillas, no, I don't think you can do a minimal install without using the "alternate" desktop install CD.
[23:37] <alfabit> nashant, yeah, it's toast then..
[23:37] <ohshitgorillas> alfabit: which is what's giving me the problems =/ that and the server
[23:37] <nashant> Poor little thing. He was only a babe
[23:37] <alfabit> ohshitgorillas, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-parms.html
[23:38] <f^3> Hmm. Ley me install the base plasma packages and see if its a unity issue.
[23:38] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: Not with desktop installer.  Try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[23:38] <Ledder> where would you guide me to have some help with virtualbox?
[23:38] <Ledder> and hello
[23:38] <alfabit> ohshitgorillas, you might want to use parameter anna/choose_modules
[23:38] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: the minimal installer gives me the same problem
[23:38] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: You can save/restore your current package selections with dpkg --get-selections/--set-selections
[23:39] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: don't have a current package selection, coming from Arch... too much of a pain in the ass, too often
[23:39] <alfabit> Ledder, virtualbox from ubuntu repo works well, what are you trying to do ?
[23:39] <ohshitgorillas> alfabit: thanks I'll try that
[23:39] <Ledder> I'd like to instal win7 but i think i broke something
[23:39] <Ledder> i'm ending up by having error messages
[23:39] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: I think you should go get that PS/2 keyboard now :D
[23:40] <alfabit> Ledder, error messages _in_ the virtual machine, or from the host machine (your ubuntu install) ?
[23:40] <Ledder> from the host
[23:40] <Ledder> i can't even initiate the virtual
[23:41] <alfabit> Ledder, can you tell us what the errors are?
[23:41] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: lol right? one more try...
[23:41] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: The only way around it would be to use an installation script, either kickstart or preseeding, so you don't need to type anything.
[23:42] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: at that point I think it'd just be easier to strip the desktop installation
[23:43] <mcsmash> I'm having some SERIOUS problems installing ubuntu on my Lenovo w520.  Any help would be aprecciated
[23:43] <mcsmash> *appreciated
[23:43] <alfabit> Ledder, yeah, it sounds like you need to sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install dkms
[23:43] <Ledder> already done
[23:44] <alfabit> Ledder, that way, when kernel versions automatically get updated, the virtualbox driver will be re-compiled for you.
[23:44] <jhansonxi> ohshitgorillas: You could start with one of the lighter variants like Xubuntu or Lubuntu (or Linux Mint).  "Ubuntu" is mostly the "ubuntu-desktop" metapackage and it's dependencies.
[23:44] <BlueNeXuS> cylon ubuntu is great too
[23:46] <ohshitgorillas> jhansonxi: hm, that might work actually
[23:46] <BlueNeXuS> ohshitgorillas: may i message you?
[23:46] <ohshitgorillas> BlueNeXuS: sure
[23:46] <alfabit> Ledder, iirc that message about re-running vboxsetup is bogus, because that script doesn't exist in /etc/init.d
[23:46] <mcsmash> I've tried 12.04.1, 12.10, lubuntu 12.10, and straight Debian.  Depending on the version, my laptop will go through the boot sequence and then become COMPLETELY unresponsive.
[23:47] <f^3> Hmm... Plasma works while unity doesnt :/
[23:47] <jhansonxi> mcsmash: Try https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-parms.html
[23:47] <Ledder> yes i thaught that sounds wierd
[23:47] <Ledder> so what else?
[23:47] <alfabit> Ledder, you might be able to do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox
[23:48] <alfabit> Ledder, I did have the same problem.
[23:48] <humbolto> hey, which system in ubuntu does the automounting of hotplugged usb jumpdrives?
[23:49] <Ledder> that's funny terminal says virtual box is broke or not correctly installed
[23:49] <alfabit> mcsmash: Have you attempted installing/booting using kernel parameter 'nomodeset' ?
[23:49] <mcsmash> jhansonxi: I don't know what periferals are even failing.  I have no idea what is going on.  I would love to use a live CD to look at some logs, but that won't boot either.
[23:49] <alfabit> mcsmash: if you have a very new nvidia card that could be your issue.
[23:50] <alfabit> Ledder, if you reconfigure or reinstall virtualbox, it won't affect your on-disk virtual machine that you created.
[23:50] <alfabit> You just need to trigger dkms to rebuild your modules.
[23:50] <Ledder> don't worrry i hafn't installed anything yet
[23:51] <Ledder> as it ends up by creating an error message
[23:51] <alfabit> Ledder, and make sure you have linux-headers-generic installed. DKMS rebuild needs those.
[23:52] <jhansonxi> mcsmash: Intel or Nvidia graphics?
[23:52] <Ledder> linux-header-generic?
[23:52] <Ledder> how do i get them?
[23:52] <mcsmash> The laptop over a year old.  I've been raging out pretty hard, mostly because my system was working with great with 10.04.
[23:53] <alfabit> Ledder: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[23:53] <alfabit> Ledder: make sure you copy that command/spell it right :)
[23:53] <Neytiri> i am having a issue getting a library installed on my system, i am getting a ton of errors
[23:54] <jhansonxi> mcsmash: Do you know what video chip (GPU) it uses?
[23:54] <Neytiri> http://ideone.com/4TwtgP  here is the errors
[23:54] <mcsmash> It's an nvidia card.  The thing that has been confusing me is that I've gotten to Unity (that's a rant for another time) but it will only do that once.  It will freeze hard, and when I reset it never makes it there again.
[23:55] <mcsmash> I don't know what the card is actually :(
[23:55] <alfabit> mcsmash: thinkwiki.org is a good resource. There is an 11.04 (and a Debian Squeeze) writeup for the w520. Check that first.
[23:55] <alfabit> mcsmash: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_11.04_on_a_ThinkPad_W520
[23:56] <jhansonxi> mcsmash: Probably a bug with Noveau, the open source Nvidia driver.  Try booting with the "xforcevesa" parameter.
[23:56] <Ledder> so done
[23:56] <jhansonxi> mcsmash: This will tell it to use the generic VESA (unaccelerated) driver that works with most anything.
[23:57] <Neytiri> how do i fix this error i am getting http://ideone.com/4TwtgP on package install
[23:57] <jhansonxi> mcsmash: If that works then install the official Nvidia driver (after Ubuntu is installed).
[23:59] <jhansonxi> Neytiri: Try the solution at the bottom of this page: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+question/183459


[14:29]  * xnox is confused. make -C d-i update generates new Build-deps but makes no other changes to manifest.
[16:02] <xnox> bdmurray: plars: webcam step removed.
[16:03] <plars> xnox: thanks for the heads up. psivaa ^^
[16:03] <psivaa> plars: acl
[16:03] <xnox> closes 11 bugs =)
[16:05] <plars> nice
[16:10] <infinity> xnox: No more creepy installer?  \o/
[16:14] <xnox> infinity: so all the pictures taken by ubiquity where uploaded to daisy.ubuntu.com by whoopsie. I wonder if ev will ever make "the portrait of ubuntu users" public.
[16:14] <xnox> s/where/were/
[16:15] <infinity> xnox: I wouldn't joke about that in public.  We have a bad enough image as it is, we don't need people thinking we've been taking their photos.
[16:15] <ev> so that's whats been eating up 2.33 TB
[16:15] <xnox> yeah, sorry, it is a joke.
[16:15] <dm8tbr> cyphermox: is the fixed nm package in a daily image yet?
[16:15] <ev> aw, boo
[16:54] <xnox> ev: is whoopsie utf-8 safe? I hope we will not have problems like this one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922433
[16:55] <ubot2> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 922433 in libreport "Fedora 19 bugs cannot be reported because the server side cannot handle the release name "Schrödinger's Cat"" [Urgent,Modified]
[16:56] <ev> xnox: while it is a constant pain in my ass on daisy.ubuntu.com, yes, both whoopsie and daisy support utf8.
[16:57] <xnox> ev: reading comments it seems like /etc/os-release is the culprit there. Which hey is fairly new idiom.
[16:59] <cyphermox> dm8tbr: no, it's not
[16:59] <cyphermox> i'll get that done today
[17:00] <dm8tbr> so tomorrow's image then? Just want to know so I can give it a spin to see if it works now


[00:09] <sarnold> pgoode: i'm not on the launchpad team, so I'm unlikely to be able to directly help, but usually they need the oops id to figure out what's going on
[12:33] <MrGrymReaper> I'm currently having trouble logging in onto launchpad.net. Receiving an OOPS error - OOPS-a8f973f9446eb1944a58767529f7e31e. Can anyone on the launchpad.net team help me by fixing this error please?
[12:35] <cjwatson> pelpsi: ^
[12:38] <pelpsi> Hi MrGrymReaper! Sure, could you provide me you lp username?
[12:39] <MrGrymReaper><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:43] <pelpsi> Don't you also have a launchpad id? For example mine is ~pelpsi
[12:45] <MrGrymReaper> I'm logging into launchpad.net through Ubuntu One, its logging in on Ubuntu One but failing on the OpenID call back for launchpad.net. It's my first time signing in on launchpad.net, though not on the Ubuntu One account.
[12:49] <cjwatson> pelpsi: You should be able to get all necessary information from the OOPS
[12:50] <MrGrymReaper>  OOPS-573ad7e3061a9c2b3c165c22abca49a5
[13:34] <MrGrymReaper> Just keeping connection active while waiting.
[15:08] <pelpsi> MrGrymReaper: you should be able to login into your account in a few minutes
[15:51] <pelpsi> MrGrymReaper: you should be able to login into your account, let me know if it's working
[15:52] <MrGrymReaper> pelpsi That seems to have done it. What ever it was that you did. Thank you for your help! Have a nice day.
[15:55] <pelpsi> MrGrymReaper: You're very welcome, thanks and you too :)
[15:55] <MrGrymReaper> Good Bye!
[15:56] <pelpsi> MrGrymReaper: Bye!
[16:44] <pgoode> sarnold thanks for that tip
[16:45] <pgoode> OOPS-2b2e75e2be173676e904232b1d61e35d for the above call out for help.  thank you
[16:50] <cjwatson> pgoode: I've fixed your account
[17:03] <pgoode> cjwatson: thank you very much!!  i'm in


[07:38] <jibel> good morning
[07:50] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:50] <duflu> #firstpost
[07:52] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:04] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[08:08] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[08:17] <didrocks> good morning
[08:21] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:21] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[08:24] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, duflu!
[08:32] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:32] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:34] <jibel> Hi all
[08:34] <seb128> lut oSoMoN jibel, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[08:37] <oSoMoN> la nuit a été courte mais ça va plutôt bien, et toi?
[08:37] <seb128> :(
[08:37] <seb128> ici ça va, je pourrais faire avec plus de sommeil également mais j'ai pas trop à me plaindre non plus
[08:38] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:38] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[08:39] <duflu> seb128, I am well but my work day is frustrating (bug 1812955)
[08:39] <duflu> How are you seb128?
[08:40] <jibel> seb128, ça va bien, comme d'hab et toi?
[08:41] <seb128> jibel, ça va bien :)
[08:41] <seb128> duflu, I'm good!
[08:41] <seb128> duflu, new bugs getting in the way of work you want to do, I know the feeling!
[08:42] <duflu> Yeah happened yesterday too. Still unresolved on that one
[09:03] <Laney> morning
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:04] <duflu> Hi Laney and willcooke
[09:04] <willcooke> hihihihihi
[09:07] <willcooke> Laney, do you know who Pete Lawrence is?    Which I do. :)
[09:08] <willcooke> kk, well he took a picture of the lunar eclipse, and it just happened to be in our colour scheme :)
[09:08] <willcooke> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxcQPa2WsAAZYuv.jpg:large
[09:09] <Laney> :D
[09:09] <willcooke> I've emailed him to ask about him entering the wallpaper comp this cycle.
[09:11] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:13] <duflu> willcooke, speaking of colour scheme I still slightly regret not suggesting this as a launch video for utopic :)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfUM7h2SgpA
[09:15] <willcooke> duflu, :)
[09:15] <willcooke> reminds me of:
[09:15] <willcooke> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FzE5C8bZ8ySifa1EG-jv1UgAnx1-yueyyJar_ineBMXGkkwgjo1TX2zkJFpV8LwlV86bzk2L5Ce2UGWf4NY8U-bGcqJqhtEdWE8jh8lY6hon-XTlY5tLjQgGaTwDmKffQMBIb1NT-xkk96ov_L2yt0umOhOxsgOGs_CB-DpgkLHMnWsZVUI5Vl1uJHHTP7uyRfk2NGUTQW98itjsctPzFNyup7Ybjf5mtNGHiM_Q0_LVkQMUI2XuoAPGRWYt7oEWn6OZMmlTLhNnFuPl-G1BTt43ZSyGcyg-2zLofS5E-v60s5-lBlRKKfp4ycbQL4Wyvpqe3teoG3pS5Kvu9ZWQg8Vhy1PCEEeP8URll61ygzyC1_5AdbCS2N00ZCfCew03kBB9OapyIAlHZqbCfaP
[09:15] <willcooke> zi15gErk9z0sf0sXB3b9X472LwxvCHBXE68JmFsURY9CjLloSJ14zeZ-MZzIOwWMgpj75PkiOX8uxeHxZHSW7Cm-jIxev6jNEte6ESOz9GGI2G3wIs2RzO5hSSr60KI0k9p3R3hAtSoDGLF1RV5iIbW9abxe3p4VRZbAQcMiKXONV5GSDghlnx--BMmvKOkYWirpHEyYfHBvVZEcg4gB7Xd4OnFXlss7cOQoIj_osWknMCbzU2tSx1lk1lZRm00l27nVI4Q=w1254-h941-no
[09:15] <willcooke> err
[09:16] <willcooke> https://tinyurl.com/yd48jfeo
[09:22] <duflu> willcooke, I know, I was in the room
[09:23] <duflu> maybe that was Malta 2014?
[09:23] <didrocks> is it you on the left?
[09:24] <didrocks> can recognize everyone but the guy on the left ;)
[09:25] <duflu> No, not me, but we unicorns do look pretty similar
[09:25] <didrocks> :)
[09:28] <willcooke> I think that was Oakland
[09:30] <Laney> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zLgG1aHuFoT6Dz5w7
[09:30] <Laney> tyson's corner
[09:31] <duflu> OK. Later in 2014
[09:35] <willcooke> :))
[09:58] <Laney> duflu: i'm getting strange segfaults too in jhbuild... not the same trace as you, though
[09:58] <Laney> can you build gdk-pixbuf? that's the one I'm trying to build atm
[10:39] <duflu> Laney, sorry I don't seem to get usable chat notifications any more. It's getting late but lemme see
[10:40] <duflu> Laney, upstream or disco?
[10:45] <duflu> Laney, gdk-pixbuf is building fine (upstream and disco) but I don't use jhbuild at all. Not about to start especially since it's dinner time
[10:45] <duflu> Night
[11:10] <Laney> people and their not-being-online-constantly
[11:11] <Laney> (git, so upstream?)
[11:11] <Laney> (and gnome-shell from disco builds OK for me in a schroot)
[11:50]  * Laney shrugs, works OK after cleaning out jhbuild and starting again
[11:52] <didrocks> that's the "reboot" alternative
[11:53] <Laney> yeh, turn it off and on again
[11:53] <Laney> what even was I trying to do in the first place
[11:53] <Laney> oh, gnome-keyring tests?
[13:17] <clobrano> hi everyone o/
[13:17] <clobrano> willcooke: thanks for the post :)
[13:21] <willcooke> hey clobrano
[13:21] <willcooke> clobrano, does it align with your thoughts?
[13:24] <clobrano> willcooke: yes, I personally like how adwaita is changing and the new iconset looks promising, so I am open in using it in the future, but also we have awesome designers now working on Suru
[13:25] <clobrano> Suru/Yaru iconset, I don't know how to call it now :D
[13:25] <willcooke> :)
[13:38] <didrocks> Sururu?
[13:49] <jbicha> clobrano: I'd just call the iconset Yaru since it's clearly diverged from Suru (from the Suru creator's perspective at least :| )
[13:53] <clobrano> jbicha: yes, that's true
[14:20] <jbicha> Laney: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/britney/update-colord-hint/+merge/362092 ?
[14:20] <jbicha> good morning
[14:55] <Laney> jbicha: looks good
[14:55] <Laney> my kingdom for a 'merge' button
[15:15] <jbicha> merge buttons are awesome
[15:15] <Laney> let's do a bounty thing for someone to implement it in LP
[15:16] <jbicha> I don't have much of a kingdom to contribute to the pool :(
[15:35] <seb128> jbicha, Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/1807127/comments/11 just fyi
[15:38] <seb128> (brb, rebooting on disco)
[15:51] <Laney> seb128: doesn't happen on bionic? i.e. issue with the backport or?
[15:51] <seb128> Laney, I don't know, I can test in a bit there
[15:52] <Laney> thx
[15:52] <seb128> I didn't try the bionic SRU version on cosmic, should have
[15:52] <seb128> I reboot again a bit later :)
[15:52] <Laney> if it is a bad backport then I would prefer jbicha to take a look, he did that update
[15:53] <Laney> if bad code from me, I will :P
[15:53] <Laney> this gnome-keyring thing ... not sure how to fix it ...
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, did you try asking philip if he has any opinion on it?
[15:57] <Laney> yes
[15:59] <seb128> :/
[16:00] <Laney> will give him a bit to reply
[16:00] <Laney> only looked at one of the tests so far, let me see if the others are a similar thing
[16:01] <seb128> shrug, nautilus hangs on start on my disco, blocked in libtracker-sparql-2.0.so.0 calls it looks like
[16:01] <jbicha> Laney: you're aware that gcr had to make changes for glib 2.59 compatibility, right?
[16:01] <seb128> Error on getting connection: Failed to load SPARQL backend: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying
[16:01] <seb128> great
[16:03] <Laney> jbicha: no, no reason why I would be aware of that
[16:04] <jbicha> ok, I'm mentioning it now in case it helps with your gnome-keyring investigating: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gcr/commit/038962d6
[16:05] <Laney> thx, yes I saw that commit
[16:05] <jbicha> that fix is already in disco so I guess it doesn't directly fix the problem
[16:05] <Laney> change*
[16:05] <Laney> no, and anyway I'm using jhbuild (master of everything)
[16:18] <seb128> the doko way for fixing a test issue, disable it without details/explanation and as a delta over Debian for a package that was in sync, great...
[16:44] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: any thoughts on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1461759
[16:44] <kenvandine> you had commented in the past
[17:09] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I'll need to investigate further to understand how firefox requests opening a file
[17:10] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: it might have something to do with the snap including it's own mime database that claims it supports anything
[17:10] <kenvandine> which makes it call out to xdg-open for all file types
[17:33] <Laney> sheesh
[17:33] <Laney> this flow is suUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuper complicated
[17:34] <Laney> I guess that's true of most problems you don't know thouugh
[17:52] <Laney> ahhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhh
[18:01] <sergiusens> willcooke: kenvandine that multimonitor dpi/resolution thing, is that latest and greatest disco?
[18:01] <willcooke> sergiusens, still WIP, but yeah, will be in Disco
[18:30] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, a number of snaps are copy/pasting my gtk3-locales part (https://git.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source/tree/snapcraft.yaml?h=stable#n207), what do you think of adding those locales to the gnome platform snap instead?
[18:32] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: that's a very interesting idea
[18:33] <oSoMoN> IIRC that would only be needed for the core18 gnome platform snap, the core16 one is built from the gnome-3-26 PPA which already has those translations
[18:33] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:34] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: lets do it
[18:35] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: i'll do that this week
[18:45] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, thanks!
[19:13] <willcooke> night all
[20:00] <oSoMoN> good night


[20:24] <aalex> hello. I upload packages to Launchpad on my PPA, but the package don't show up: https://launchpad.net/~mapmap/+archive/ubuntu/mapmap/+packages
[20:24] <aalex> Is there a way to verify they have been successfully uploaded? I should just wait, eh?
[20:25] <cjohnston> aalex: did you receive an email?
[21:52] <aalex> cjohnston: yes! thank you
[21:53] <aalex> Now, the files specified in the debian/install file are not found. The file "mapmap" is the binary that should be built by qt4-qmake via CDBS.
[21:53] <aalex> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181759818/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.mapmap_0.1.1-5~trusty~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:54] <aalex> There is also a mapmap.desktop file. (no icon file for now)
[21:55] <aalex> Here is my current install file: https://github.com/mapmapteam/ubuntu-mapmap/blob/master/debian/mapmap.install
[21:55] <aalex> How should change it so that it works?
[21:56] <aalex> debian/tmp/usr/bin/mapmap ?
[21:57] <aalex> ('cause my `make install` rule doesn't seem to install any file, so maybe my Qt4-qmake packaging is wrong)
[21:57] <dobey> you should use sbuild or pbuilder to test your builds locally
[21:59] <aalex> ok
[21:59] <dobey> you also probably don't need to specify where to install things in the install file intself, but the qmake files should install them when "make install" is run
[22:16] <aalex> Can someone point me how to create a quilt patch with git-buildpackage? I have to modify some of the upstream files.
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> aalex: quilt new my_awesome_patch.patch
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> aalex: quilt edit foo/bar/baz.cpp
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> should open a editor
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> hack hack hack
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> write to file, exit
[23:11] <aalex> and then quilt refresh
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> quilt refresh
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> yep
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> then quilt pop
[23:11] <aalex> and then git add these files
[23:11] <shadeslayer_> yep
[23:12] <shadeslayer_> sounds like you have a handle on it ;)
[23:12] <aalex> ahah, I figured it out since I posted that question. :)
[23:12] <aalex> But thanks for the answer, I lost the page where I found the info.
[23:12] <shadeslayer_> it's alright
[23:12] <aalex> I will write a summary in some wiki.
[23:13] <shadeslayer_> you mean https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt
[23:13] <shadeslayer_> ;)
[23:13] <aalex> Yes, almost, I like to put pages under my user name on the debian wiki.
[23:13] <aalex> AlexandreQuessy
[23:14] <aalex> https://wiki.debian.org/AlexandreQuessy/GitNotes
[23:17] <aalex> there https://wiki.debian.org/AlexandreQuessy/GitNotes
[23:18] <aalex> Do you guys have a default simple .pbuilderrc to suggest me? The ones I found are rather buggy.
[23:18] <aalex> maybe shadeslayer_ ? :)
[23:19] <shadeslayer_> aalex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7983766/
[23:19] <shadeslayer_> is what I use
[23:19] <shadeslayer_> though needs adjusting
[23:21] <shadeslayer_> aalex: FWIW #ubuntu-motu might be a better place for packaging questions like these
[23:21] <shadeslayer_> or #ubuntu-packaging
[23:47] <aalex> Thank you shadeslayer_ !
[23:47] <shadeslayer_> yw


[15:30] <sarnold> good morning
[15:31] <cpaelzer> o/
[15:31] <didrocks> o/
[15:31] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 10 15:31:35 2020 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:31] <cpaelzer> jamespage: didrocks: sarnold: doko: ddstreet: >ping<
[15:32] <ddstreet> o/
[15:32] <jamespage> o/
[15:32] <cpaelzer> we had no explicit action items of last week
[15:32] <cpaelzer> so we start at
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[15:32] <cpaelzer> only the one of proposed has new things
[15:33] <cpaelzer> python-croniter and python-django-compressor are on openstack teams trello borad
[15:33] <cpaelzer> board
[15:33] <cpaelzer> lintian is with doko as usual
[15:34] <cpaelzer> didrocks: you wanted to look as usb-modeswitc/tcltk-defaults
[15:34] <cpaelzer> any insight on these worth to share?
[15:34] <didrocks> I dealt with it this morning, probably missing some publisher cycle or so
[15:34] <cpaelzer> ok awesome
[15:34] <cpaelzer> jamespage: on the two for the openstack team - do you have any ETA?
[15:35] <cpaelzer> for this meeting (and anyone else checking mismatches) even a trivial stub bug would help
[15:35] <cpaelzer> if you intend to drop the dependencies (or MIR them) just open the stub and say what the plan is
[15:35] <cpaelzer> that helps to avoid anyone to "re-evaluate" them over and over
[15:36] <cpaelzer> could you create such stbs for python-croniter/python-django-compressor dependencies later?
[15:36] <cpaelzer> the rest in here are known cases and ok
[15:36] <cpaelzer> I'd go on to the next section
[15:36] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[15:36] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:36] <cpaelzer> empty :-)
[15:37] <sarnold> \o/
[15:37] <didrocks> nice!
[15:37] <cpaelzer> while a lot of transitions happen, notinth tiggers MIRs yet
[15:37] <cpaelzer> nothing
[15:37] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[15:37] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[15:37] <cpaelzer> recent updates are on known cases
[15:37] <cpaelzer> no action item on those
[15:37] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[15:38] <cpaelzer> it seems from the incoming queues we still have a calm time
[15:38] <cpaelzer> anything else we should discuss?
[15:38] <jamespage> nope
[15:38] <jamespage> nothing from me at least
[15:38] <didrocks> nothing for me, would be great to schedule time in the future to discuss about the golang thread you started
[15:38] <cpaelzer> I have nothing either
[15:38] <cpaelzer> oh yeah you are right didrocks
[15:38] <sarnold> yes, but please not today :) I'd still like to re-read the whole thing a few more times
[15:39] <cpaelzer> I'd also need to context switch that in what the right next step is
[15:39] <didrocks> yeah, security input is the most important part on that IMHO :)
[15:39] <cpaelzer> for now let us all take the action to re-read and make sure it is processed for your own Teams POV at least once
[15:40] <sarnold> debian folks are thinking of doing something to remove golang and rust 'library' packages from their lists in some fashion, to avoid end users needing to download megabytes of Binaries lists for packags they'll never have installed
[15:41] <sarnold> I don't know if tihs is something we'll want to mirror, or will need to adapt to in some fashion
[15:41] <cpaelzer> sarnold: give the thread a read, discuss it with the team and come back to us if it will work for you
[15:41] <sarnold> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2020/11/msg00104.html
[15:41] <cpaelzer> atm I'm more concerned at over-and-over "burning many engineer-hours in the process to then give up"
[15:42] <sarnold> yes
[15:42] <cpaelzer> intersting sarnold
[15:42]  * didrocks will read
[15:42] <cpaelzer> doko also had a great link replied to that thread
[15:42] <cpaelzer> worth a read as well
[15:42] <sarnold> and it does seem like because we always give up, we never get the benefits of shared efforts :(
[15:42] <cpaelzer> that is part of the story
[15:43] <cpaelzer> and that every step you distance from upstream puts upstreams-burden onto our shoulders
[15:43] <cpaelzer> thanks for keeping that active
[15:43] <cpaelzer> I think we are ok for today then
[15:43] <cpaelzer> anything else before we close?
[15:43] <sarnold> that's it for me, thanks
[15:44] <didrocks>  same
[15:44] <cpaelzer> then thanks everyone, see you next week
[15:44] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 15:44:14 2020 UTC.
[15:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-11-10-15.31.moin.txt
[15:44] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[15:44] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:45] <ddstreet> thanks o/


[12:19] <thafreak> Ok, so I have a freenas box exporting a zfs managed chunk of disk space to a VM host running lxc containers
[12:19] <thafreak> lxc likes btrfs for making instant clones of containers using it's COW features
[12:21] <thafreak> I'm wondering if it would suck having btrfs on an iscis volume which is just a a virtual volume on a zfs share...
[12:21] <thafreak> :/
[13:00] <dzho> ALL THE BUZZINITIALISMS
[13:00] <dzho> I haven't gotten my head around lxc quite yet
[13:00] <paultag> try lxc-docker
[13:00] <dzho> xen has sorted of ruined me, in terms of expectations of how things work.
[13:00] <paultag> docker is nice.
[13:00] <paultag> real nice.
[13:00] <dzho> paultag: I'll bear that in mind.
[13:01]  * dzho tends to be very leery of automation
[13:01] <dzho> maybe in lxc's case I should automate up some stuff just to get it running so I can have some experience on which to base my expectations.
[13:02] <dzho> but usually I get a litle anxious the more moving parts there are.
[13:02] <dzho> version skew and all that, you know.
[13:51] <jrgifford> paultag: i haven't tried docker
[13:52] <jrgifford> i <3 the idea, just haven't gotten the chance to try it.
[13:52] <paultag> jrgifford: it's brokay
[13:52] <jrgifford> (and I <3 lxc)
[13:52] <paultag> saw it when they announced it at PyCon
[13:52] <paultag> been helping them get it ready for Debian
[13:52] <paultag> but it's got some … interesting … decisions
[13:52] <jrgifford> you know what, they don't support fedora, which is my only 64 bit os install. guess it will be a few more weeks. :(
[13:53] <paultag> you can comment out the arch check
[13:53] <paultag> it works fine on 32 bit
[13:53] <jrgifford> oh, ok. i thought they were actually picky.
[13:53] <paultag> nah
[13:53] <paultag> they just didn't want to deal with arches
[13:53] <jrgifford> good to know.
[13:53] <paultag> I did it on my VPS, workedish
[13:53] <paultag> ish because I didn't fix my kernel
[13:55] <jrgifford> ah, ok
[14:30] <thafreak> does docker have support for long running/permanent containers?
[14:31] <thafreak> like auto start on host reboot kind of stuff?
[14:31] <paultag> I believe so, yes
[14:31] <paultag> it saves them in a shim directory
[14:31] <thafreak> i haven't gotten too far into actually using lxc for anything yet
[14:31] <jrgifford> lxc is great.
[14:31] <thafreak> i just built a new low power vm host and moved some older kvm's over to it
[14:32] <thafreak> i've used lxc-create a few times and played around, but that's about it...
[14:32] <thafreak> haven't deployed a server for actual use yet
[14:32] <jrgifford> i'm going to need to figure out how to replicate ubuntu's lxc conf on fedora or straight debian, because i need it for a presentation in less than a week.
[14:32] <jrgifford> yay live demos of stuff!
[14:32] <thafreak> the install fest in cleveland?
[14:33] <jrgifford> no, but i do need to finish setting up the PXE server for that.
[14:33] <jrgifford> that'll be my tuesday morning task. :P
[14:33] <thafreak> lol...
[14:33] <jrgifford> no sense in actually *preparing* for it
[14:33] <jrgifford> are you coming?
[14:33] <thafreak> probably not...cleveland is a bit of a haul from where I work...
[14:34] <jrgifford> fair enough.
[14:34] <thafreak> unless I work from home...
[14:34] <jrgifford> think of it this way, we can get a picture for skellat, because he needs to have a picture for our renewal next year.
[14:34] <thafreak> but things are hectic at home now...lots of projects, not sure the wife would approve
[14:35] <jrgifford> heh, fair enough.
[14:35] <skellat> jrgifford: We don't need no stinkin' pictures
[14:35] <thafreak> what day/time is it though?
[14:35] <skellat> jrgifford: There isn't an approval/reapproval process anymore
[14:35] <jrgifford> skellat: oh? :(
[14:36] <jrgifford> thafreak: tuesday, at ~6pm
[14:36] <jrgifford> i'll be there all day though, and then i'll be ready to help people if they feel the need to come early.
[14:36] <skellat> jrgifford: Yeah.  There will be "verified" LoCo teams.  I'm still waiting on the official LoCo Council announcement as to what those hoops entail but they're supposed to be far, far less.
[14:36] <jrgifford> skellat: nice
[14:37] <jrgifford> details - http://www.meetup.com/Cleveland-LUG/events/117050322/
[14:37] <skellat> Namely that we exist, there has been some e-mail/IRC/whatever activity, there is some sort of leadership, and some sort of territorial boundaries
[14:37] <skellat> In-person meetings would be nice but LoCo Council isn't even counting on that right now
[14:37] <jrgifford> i see.
[14:38] <skellat> Especially since we're now one of the loudest LoCo since I seem to talk about us a lot on planet.u.c and at vUDS
[14:38] <jrgifford> heh. i need to start blarghing again.
[14:38] <skellat> Relatively speaking, of course
[14:38] <jrgifford> i lost motivation after i stopped paying for hosting.
[14:38] <jrgifford> when i was paying for the ability to blog, i blogged more.
[14:39] <jrgifford> then i went to this free thing, which works fine, and i don't blog as much on planet.u.c
[14:39] <skellat> Just make a commitment to blog once a week with a feedback loop built in for accountability
[14:41] <skellat> OF COURSE, pictures added by people on their own initiative to the LoCo's wiki pages are **not** discouraged by any means mind you
[14:43]  * skellat wanders back to reading the economics news at Zerohedge.com and the "help wanted" ads


[13:29] <Iamthehuman12> Hello and thanks for most fun distro I've ever tried.
[13:29] <Iamthehuman12> I want to install the jammy-daily and I want it so it cannot be tampered from another OS. My existing setup is a 1TB disk with 110GB for Windows (which is under suspicion) 150 GB for /-partitions and 740 GB for /home-partition.
[13:29] <Iamthehuman12> Question: Would in your opinion the following work?: installing the US into a LUKS encrypted partition with minimalist /home/username there and then delete all the non-dotdirectories from there, mount the old /home partition somewhere and then symlinking all normal directories from the unencrypted volume to the new /home/username, which is inside the same LUKS as "everything else" in the new installation?
[15:51] <OvenWerks> windows understamds ext4?
[15:52]  * OvenWerks always thought windows was so full of itself as to not admit there was anything else...
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> No, Windows can't read ext4 without special applications or drivers.
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> Iamthehuman12: That's a better question for the main #ubuntu channel.


[00:05] <bschaefer> thumper: ping
[00:05] <thumper> bschaefer: hi
[00:06] <bschaefer> thumper: hey, so i found why the SetKeyFocus in ShowDash was not working
[00:06] <thumper> that's awesome...
[00:06] <thumper> and the answer it?
[00:06] <bschaefer> thumper: it was getting called before which was causing it to just return
[00:06] <bschaefer> thumper: i pushed it to the branch a few days ago but still need to to figure out how to test
[00:07] <thumper> bschaefer: it may well be that we need to write some autopilot tests for them
[00:07] <bschaefer> autopilot meaning have a program that opens up the dash then trys to send a key event?
[00:09] <bschaefer> https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/fix-860805 branch if you want to take a look
[00:11] <thumper> bschaefer: yes
[00:15] <bschaefer> thumper: alright, that sounds interesting to do...
[00:15] <thumper> bschaefer: however we aren't in a situation to write that right now
[00:15] <bschaefer> thumper: also should I propose a merge for right now? or wait for a test
[00:16] <thumper> I just proposed it as work in progress so I could see the diff :)
[00:16] <thumper> ok, can you explain in the description of the merge proposal as to why this fix works?
[00:16] <thumper> please?
[00:17] <bschaefer> thanks, and yeah. I want to test a few things to make sure it is why
[00:17] <bschaefer> it looks like it is getting called to early
[00:17] <bschaefer> (but want to double check something)
[00:18] <bschaefer> so when it gets called the first time it sets a focus_area so then it will == area which makes it return before setting the PathToKeyFocus
[00:20] <thumper> what causes it not to get to PathToKeyFocus?
[00:20] <thumper> the first time..
[00:20] <bschaefer> in DashView, line 683 is the first time SetKeyFocus is called
[00:21] <bschaefer> and when it gets to ShowDash in DashController calling SetKeyFocus just returns right away
[00:21] <bschaefer> so when it is called the first time on line 683 that is where it SetPathToKeyFocus gets called
[00:21] <bschaefer> so it is not getting there in DashController::ShowDash
[00:22] <thumper> so why doesn't it work?
[00:22] <bschaefer> which looks like isn't set up or ready before the first call which is why it works the second time.
[00:23] <bschaefer> i am looking into what isn't setup at the time of that call. Using the debugger I saw that SetPathToKeyFocus was only getting called for the DashView
[00:24] <bschaefer> so that is why I commented it out and then ShowDash calls it now and it works :)
[00:24] <thumper> :)
[00:24] <thumper> so... we aren't entirely clear why it fixes it, but it appears to?
[00:26] <bschaefer> thumper: somewhat, it really seems like it just gets called to soon to early which some input area doesn't exit at that time
[00:26] <thumper> is it getting called before the layout is set?
[00:26] <bschaefer> so when you call SetPathToKeyFocus that object isn't there so it can't find it but the second time around everything is set up
[00:28] <bschaefer> thumper: I checked some things last week but forgot to write what I found down.
[00:29] <bschaefer> I moved that SetKeyFocus around in ShowDash which didnt effect anything so I am going to have to see what exactly isn't setup
[00:30] <bschaefer> making the DashView fail
[00:32] <thumper> :)
[00:36]  * thumper goes to get lunch
[01:19] <Andy80> Trevinho: successfully built and installed in /opt/qt5 :)
[01:51] <bschaefer> thumper: when you get back figure out the case
[02:18] <thumper> bschaefer: for autopilot?
[02:23] <bschaefer> thumper: no for why it isn't working the firs time through
[02:24] <thumper> :)
[02:24] <bschaefer> it is calling the SetKeyFocus before window->SetLayout(layout)
[02:24] <thumper> that'll do it
[02:25] <bschaefer> there is longer explanation on the merge thing
[02:25] <thumper> ok
[02:25] <thumper> bschaefer: merge trunk in and add a manual test, see manual-test/ReadMe.txt
[02:26] <thumper> bschaefer: as autopilot isn't yet ready
[02:26] <bschaefer> thumper: alright sounds good!
[02:34] <bschaefer> thumper: so there are no manual test at the moment?
[02:34] <bschaefer> as the dir is empty
[02:34] <bschaefer> besides the reame
[02:34] <thumper> aye, it is new
[02:34] <bschaefer> readme*
[02:34] <thumper> add launcher.txt
[02:35] <bschaefer> alright, it will look very close the example you used
[02:51] <bschaefer> thumper: alright just pushed the manual test
[02:56] <bschaefer> along with merging trunk
[08:42] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/shots/howmanychromiums.jpg - unity launcher suggests more then one chromium window but only one is present
[14:06] <djosefsson> Hi,
[14:13] <djosefsson> I'm sitting and trying out the launcher and creating my own Desktop entries, but a thing that I can't get a grip on is search paths for icons.
[14:13] <djosefsson>  How do I enable Icon=applicationname?
[14:13] <djosefsson> I have copied my icon to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/applicationname.png. Is it neccesary to have a icon in each YYxZZ folder? It works well when I hard code the icon address into the desktop entry.
[14:14] <djosefsson> Ops, the shift+enter to get a new line did not work that well. Sorry for that.
[15:55] <Andy80> hi guys
[15:56] <Andy80> suppose I've another Qt installation in /opt/qtX, ho do I tell cmake to use that version insted that the default one to compile Unity-2D? Thanks
[16:38] <Andy80> resolved.... now I got a compilation problem, but I think it's related to my Qt5 build, I'll try to investigate.
[18:56] <fbdystang> Hi! I have the 3d cube working in unity but how can I get the experimental plugins like atlantis? Thanks
[20:43] <tbf> mdeslaur: about LP#897545 - sure, some bad luck must come together to cause that situation, but if it happens for http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, users won't get any further security fixes
[20:44] <tbf> mdeslaur: not getting security updates definitely is a security issue IMHO
[20:45] <mdeslaur> tbf: I understand, but it's not triggered by an attacker. We don't usually consider any package management bugs to be security issues.
[20:46] <tbf> mdeslaur: 'k


[07:49] <bhalu> how to build custom images for arm board
[07:49] <bhalu> ?
[12:05] <Ignacio> Hi
[12:05] <Ignacio> I'm looking for this package in arm
[12:05] <Ignacio> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/wkhtmltopdf
[12:05] <Ignacio> It's posible obtain the *.deb ?
[14:06] <Ignacio>  test
[14:06] <Ignacio> test
[14:06] <phh> failed
[14:09] <Ignacio> haha.


[06:25] <jam> morning all
[06:35] <MarkMaglana> morning jam !
[08:42]  * Chipaca pokes the internal irc
[08:42]  * Chipaca presents footage of said event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMJXvsCLu6s
[08:45] <jam> morning Chipaca
[08:48] <Chipaca> jam: how's things?
[08:58] <jam> going alright here.
[08:58] <jam> Chipaca, they just called to tell me my coffee machine should be fixed by tomorrow, whi
[08:58] <jam> which is pretty good news.
[08:58] <jam> Though the repair cost is ~ the same as an aeropress :)
[09:00] <Chipaca> I'm probably going to jinx it, but my aeropress is 6+ years old and still working just fine :)
[09:53] <Chipaca> niemeyer: hiya! two questions about 'ops.lib.use': one is if you have a strong preference for LIB vs LIB_. The other is whether API/PATCH are the right names for what semantic versioning (which we encourage) is calling MAJOR and MINOR
[09:54] <Chipaca> patch in particular seems strange as it's the name of the third element (the z in x.y.z)
[09:54]  * Chipaca is not blocked by these questions and goes back to writing tests
[09:57] <niemeyer> Chipaca: major and minor mean nothing to most people.. API and patch versions has a stronger semantic
[09:59] <niemeyer> Chipaca: My preference is obviously for the existing names otherwise I'd not have used them, but it's certainly subjective
[09:59] <niemeyer> (in terms of the underline, that is)
[10:01] <Chipaca> niemeyer: ok
[10:01] <Chipaca> niemeyer: sometimes it feels like it's too mashed together without the _, but sometimes it's fine
[10:01] <Chipaca> it's *very* subjective :)
[10:02] <niemeyer> These names will be always seem next to each other..
[10:02] <niemeyer> Just type them out and look at them for a moment
[10:02] <Chipaca> niemeyer: yeah, i think they feel weird when writing the tests, but not too weird in the init file itself, which is probably the right way around for weird
[10:03] <niemeyer> Looked better without, since the whole prefix is mostly noise in that case.. but I won't argue too much in either direction :)
[10:41] <Chipaca> niemeyer: another q: what about API or PATCH being 0?
[10:41] <Chipaca> that's ok, right?
[10:44] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Yeah, sounds fine
[11:12] <facubatista> Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:27] <jam> morning facubatista
[11:27] <facubatista> hola jam
[13:21] <Chipaca> jam: we should add a test for dispatch + independent action
[13:23] <jam> Chipaca, indeed. Though it should follow the same logic as the hooks/ independent script (AFAICT)
[13:25] <vgrevtsev> hi team, a quick q: do we have a way to alter the "Ports" in the `juju status` output after the charm is deployed?
[13:28] <jam> vgrevtsev, that is generally populated from calling "open-port", IIRC
[13:30] <vgrevtsev> I can't find any reference to the `open-port` in the framework code, so I'm wondering how it's getting done and how can I invoke it within the charm code
[13:30] <vgrevtsev> I doubt that the `open-port` is available using the k8s charms.. at least I tried to run it inside the operator pod and got nothing
[13:46] <Chipaca> vgrevtsev: https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/179
[13:47] <Chipaca> so no surprise you don't find it yet :)
[13:47] <Chipaca> i don't know about the k8s side of your question though
[13:48] <vgrevtsev> Ok, so at least something! ;D
[13:50]  * facubatista brb
[18:29] <facubatista> jam, which is the minimum set we need? (as the OF itself adds other hooks, right?)
[18:49] <jam> So a minimum to be forward and backward compatible is probably dispatch + start + upgrade-charm
[18:49] <jam> I think those are all the entry points that you could hit
[19:23] <facubatista> jam, no "install"?
[20:01] <Chipaca> facubatista: yes, also install
[20:01] <facubatista> I included it just in case
[20:02] <Chipaca> :)
[20:03] <facubatista> So, First version of the build command: https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/4
[20:03] <facubatista> and with that, /me eods
[20:04] <Chipaca> facubatista: huzzah
[20:05] <Chipaca> facubatista: have a good'un!


[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <ioanm> i have to tell u guys something I was meaning to send a package to the ppa, but accidentally forgot the dput args and it uploaded it to upload.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <ioanm> what does that mean exactly?
[07:46] <ioanm> does it get sent to u?
[07:48] <dholbach> if you upload to .ubuntu.com it will go to the archive
[07:49] <dholbach> but it will only be accepted it you are member of ~ubuntu-dev (and have upload rights for that particular package)
[07:49] <ioanm> dholbach, so can i join?
[07:49] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers explains the process for joining the development team
[07:51] <ioanm> dholbach, can you sponsor my package, it's pretty useful
[07:52] <dholbach> can you use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess for that?
[07:52] <dholbach> it's an easier way to get the whole group of Ubuntu developers to take a look
[07:52] <dholbach> I was just trying to get a few other important things done
[07:54] <ioanm> dholbach, it's just a shell script for dpaste, so that users who prefer can use it without specifying args to pastebinit every time (those that don't like pastebin.com)
[07:55] <ioanm> oh first i gotta make improvements as a prospective dev
[07:58] <dholbach> if you should have any questions, just ask in here :)
[07:59] <ioanm> dholbach, yeah i noticed a bug in unity in ubuntu 14.04 and want to be assigned to fix it
[08:00] <dholbach> you could ask the guys in #ubuntu-unity - I'm sure they'd be happy to get some help
[08:01] <ioanm> dholbach, you see in my recent apps list I see "image viewer" I open it, the icon disappears while the app is running from the recent list
[08:02] <ioanm> is this intended?
[08:02] <dholbach> I have no idae
[08:02] <dholbach> idea
[08:02] <dholbach> best ask the folks in #ubuntu-unity
[08:05] <ioanm> dholbach, they say it's a feature
[08:05] <dholbach> as I said... I'm not an expert
[08:10] <ioanm> dholbach, my package was published to my ppa :) ioan@ioanpc:~$ dpaste cpp
[08:10] <ioanm> #include <iostream>
[08:10] <ioanm> using namespace std;
[08:10] <ioanm> http://dpaste.com/0BPTEF3
[08:11] <dholbach> good work
[08:11] <ioanm> dholbach, i wrote it like i said so users who prefer dpaste don't bother with pastebinit
[08:12] <ioanm> it supports pipeing but i used this time stdin + Ctrl+D
[08:12] <ioanm> and also syntax specification (optional)
[08:12] <ioanm> depends on curl
[08:14] <ioanm> dholbach, a bit too easy, i mean last time i google tutorials, this time 0 google
[08:14] <ioanm> (on packaging)
[08:16] <ioanm> dholbach, glad i'm learning
[08:16] <dholbach> :)
[08:22] <ioanm> dholbach, need your help: bug wishlist: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmd2/+bug/1539921 will u sponsor my packaged version?
[08:24] <dholbach> as I said earlier I'm really busy getting a few other things done, which is why I'd prefer if you could take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[08:24] <ioanm> but which version python2/3?
[08:24] <ioanm> should i sync
[08:24] <dholbach> it's a process where you indicate what needs sponsoring and it will turn up on the general list for sponsoring
[08:24] <dholbach> so that not only I can take a look at it, but others too
[08:24] <dholbach> which will give you the advantage of not being blocked on a single person
[08:25] <dholbach> it's the process everyone follows
[08:25] <ioanm> oh okay, but i assigned myself to the bug
[08:26] <dholbach> sure
[08:26] <dholbach> just make sure 'ubuntu-sponsors' is subscribed and all the other relevant information is added
[08:29] <ioanm> dholbach, what exactly do I need to do ubuntu sync process only describes request not my steps
[08:30] <dholbach> if you want to overwrite the Ubuntu package with what's in Debian, you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[08:32] <ioanm> dholbach, but that just request it's to other devs
[08:32] <ioanm> i want to complete a request made by someone else
[08:32] <dholbach> I'm afraid I don't understand
[08:34] <ioanm> dholbach, wait so i can't actually create the .changes and sign it and upload it for review?
[08:34] <dholbach> you can upload a diff or link to your package in a PPA
[08:34] <dholbach> or propose a branch
[08:34] <dholbach> there's quite a few ways
[08:35] <ioanm> dholbach, okay, i'll find something else
[08:35] <dholbach> ?
[08:36] <dholbach> you said you had uploaded it to your PPA already?
[08:36] <dholbach> or you can just attach the files to a bug report
[08:36] <ioanm> dholbach, oh no that was my personal deb file
[08:36] <dholbach> ok
[08:36] <ioanm> dholbach, now that i'm done with it, i also want to help the user who req the sync
[08:36] <dholbach> all right
[08:40] <ioanm> dholbach, found it! https://anonscm.debian.org/git/collab-maint/cmd2.git
[08:42] <ioanm> dholbach, do I change unstable here to a ubuntu version like xenial (like on the PPA?)
[08:42] <ioanm> cmd2 (0.6.8-1) unstable; urgency=low
[08:44] <dholbach> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html#documenting-the-fix
[08:44] <ioanm> dholbach, so I do dch -i an enter synced package to ubuntu right?
[08:45] <dholbach> no
[08:45] <dholbach> syncing means overwriting the current package
[08:45] <dholbach> so that the version number is the same
[08:45] <ioanm> dholbach, sorry i'm new
[08:45] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmd2/+bug/1539921 is fine as it is
[08:46] <dholbach> there's no need to attach anything to it
[08:46] <dholbach> somebody will have to go and check if the Ubuntu changes indeed can be dropped
[08:46] <dholbach> and then perform the sync
[08:46] <ioanm> dholbach, oh i understand, i need authorization
[08:46] <dholbach> when I said 'somebody' earlier, I meant 'soembody with upload rights'
[08:48] <ioanm> dholbach, sorry for bothering
[08:48] <dholbach> don't worry
[08:48] <ioanm> dholbach, i'm new, i've only been using linux for 1 year as personal user and now i want to contribute
[08:48] <dholbach> that's great
[08:49] <ioanm> dholbach, any suggestion on what bug i should try to fix (something related to packaging or C++), i can't seem to find one that i can handle
[08:49] <dholbach> but maybe in the future just ask in the channel without pinging me personally about it, your questions can be answered by others as well :)
[08:49] <ioanm> sorry
[08:49] <dholbach> no worries :)
[08:51] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO lists a few things which might be interesting
[08:54] <ioanm> Visual Studio Code, a good package to start with
[09:05] <ioanm> is it okay if I package the precompiled binary offered by MS?
[09:07] <dholbach> no, I'm afraid not
[09:07] <dholbach> https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
[09:07] <dholbach> ^ this is what we follow as well
[09:11] <ioanm> oh so i need my deb to be able to compile itself?
[09:14] <dholbach> yes
[09:14] <ioanm> but vs code's got no makefile
[09:14] <dholbach> maybe have a look at the guide on packaging.ubuntu.com - it explains quite a few details like that
[09:14] <ioanm> what do I do??
[09:15] <ioanm> do I manually write vscode.install and a custom makefile?
[09:15] <dholbach> I don't know about Visual Studio Code
[09:15] <dholbach> but I'm sure there's a standard way to get it to build
[09:15] <ioanm> yes
[09:16] <ioanm> git clone https://github.com/microsoft/vscode
[09:16] <ioanm> cd vscode && npm install -g mocha gulp
[09:16] <ioanm> ./scripts/npm.sh install --arch=x64
[09:16] <dholbach> maybe have a look at other node packages and see how they work
[09:16] <dholbach> I'm afraid I don't know and currently have no time to look into it
[09:17] <ioanm> dholbach, ofc thx
[09:18] <ioanm> dholbach, so it says i should use npm install nodeb
[09:19] <ioanm> i'll pick something easier
[09:23] <ioanm> dholbach, thank you for all your help and suggestions
[09:23] <ioanm> sorry if I bothered u
[09:39] <dholbach> no worries


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