[00:14] <Severity1> hi need help should i mark a duplicate bug confirmed or fix released? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/515153
[00:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515153 in ubuntuone-client "Ubuntu One gave error attempting startup (dup-of: 455544)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[00:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 455544 in ubuntuone-client ""Protocol version error" - when bandwidth throttling is enabled with the default values" [High,In progress]
[00:18] <yofel> Severity1: ususally just leave it as it is, duplicates don't have a status on their own
[00:18] <persia> Well, they do, but we completely ignore them, so changing them doesn't matter :)
[00:18] <Severity1> okay so i will just mark it as incomplete?
[00:19] <yofel> persia: well, yeah, but after marking it as a duplicate you can't edit the status, so...
[00:19] <persia> Well, you can, but it's pointless :)
[00:19] <Severity1> so just leave it as is?
[00:19] <yofel> persia: true
[00:20] <Severity1> and what about this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/516596
[00:20] <Severity1> do you think what i did here is good?
[00:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516596 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "can't connect this morning (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[00:20] <bdmurray> actually a duplicate's bug status and importance aren't editable
[00:21] <Severity1> bdmurray: i see
[00:26] <persia> Well, there's a workaround, but at that point it's just hacking the process.
[00:26] <Severity1> persia: so what should i do with it?
[00:28] <Severity1> this problem is fixed o a newer version of U1 but still in the proposed ppa
[00:29] <BUGabundo> evening
[00:29] <BUGabundo> any reports of updates to 9.10 leaving users without network?
[00:29] <BUGabundo> with recent upgrades?
[00:29] <BUGabundo> both wifi and wired ?
[00:29] <yofel> Severity1: as it's fixed in -proposed I would say it's fixed in lucid, so fix released is ok IMO
[00:30] <persia> Severity1: Leave duplicates alone :)
[00:31] <Severity1> persia: what do you mean by leave duplicates alone?
[00:31] <Severity1> i shouldnt touch them or just leave them as incomplete?
[00:31]  * persia was confused, and reads 516596
[00:32] <persia> If a bug is a duplicate, check to make sure the master bug is properly triaged, and otherwise ignore them.
[00:32] <Severity1> okay :) i see the point
[00:32] <Severity1> thanks persia
[00:33] <persia> For 516596, make sure the version that the user installed has made it all the way to -updates (from -proposed) before marking Fix Released.
[00:33] <persia> If it hasn't made it yet, the status is probably better as Triaged until it has.
[00:35] <Severity1> when you say made it all to the -updates youe mean the package version is in -sync with the latest updatest for his distro version?
[00:35] <yofel> persia: that's not the karmic status but lucid, and it should be long fixed there
[00:36] <Severity1> he uses karmic and the latest package for karmic is 1.0.2 but in the proposed the latest package is 1.0.3
[00:37] <Severity1> and many fixes has been introduced to 1.0.3
[00:38] <yofel> Severity1: yes, but the main bug status is always for the devel release (lucid right now) and there it's 1.1.0, so it should be fixed there
[00:38] <Severity1> so for now this bug report is good
[00:39] <yofel> I would leave it like that
[00:39] <yofel> but next time it would be nice if you would post a comment *why* you're changing the bug status ;)
[00:40] <Severity1> yofel: thanks i will keep that in mind :)
[00:48] <persia> Do we *know* it's fixed in lucid?
[00:50] <yofel> I didn't check it, but as it's a requirenment for a SRU in -proposed that the bug is fixed in lucid I would say yes
[00:50] <yofel> or someone ignored the procedure
[00:51] <persia> I just like to check.  If that's the case, then it's just a matter of checking the status in karmic.
[00:51] <persia> I'm more than happy to open a karmic task and set the right status if the investigation is done.
[00:54] <jpds> bug #1
[00:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 16 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 212)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[00:54]  * jpds pets ubot4.
[00:54] <yofel> hey, new ubot back, thx jpds :D
[00:59] <Severity1> yofel, persia here is the proposed package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/1.0.3-0ubuntu1
[01:00] <persia> Right, so the correct status is probably Fix Released for lucid, and Triaged for karmic
[01:00]  * persia fiddles
[01:02] <Severity1> so ishould mark it as Triaged?
[01:03] <Severity1> imma check with the guys in #ubuntu-one just to make sure
[01:09] <jpds> yofel: Go and warm its caches. ;)
[11:38] <BUGabundo> \0 morninguetto
[11:38] <nigel_nb> morning BUGabundo
[11:38] <nigel_nb> BUGabundo, I PICKED THE LOCK!! :)
[11:40] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahahaha
[11:40] <BUGabundo> looser :p
[11:40] <nigel_nb> hehe
[14:25] <nigel_nb> charlie-tca, ping
[14:25] <charlie-tca> nigel_nb: pong
[14:25] <nigel_nb> charlie-tca, with the closing of the LP team and stuff
[14:25] <nigel_nb> I wa wondering if its time for a "how to triage" class again
[14:26] <nigel_nb> a training of all members who might be booted out but want to stay on
[14:27] <charlie-tca> It might be a real good idea to have one, within the next month.
[14:27] <charlie-tca> Of course, many are not going to do anything anyway.
[14:27] <nigel_nb> charlie-tca, true, but we should extend our support as much as possible
[14:29] <charlie-tca> true enough. Who set the last one up?
[14:30] <nigel_nb> charlie-tca: bdmurray, I think.
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Could get with pedro and hggdh and set one up, I think
[14:31] <charlie-tca> Got any dates in mind?
[14:32] <nigel_nb> the entire month is wide open.. only some 3 sessions in classroom
[14:32] <nigel_nb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/
[14:33] <nigel_nb> charlie-tca, get together with pedro and hggdh and decide on a date.  Then, PM cjohnston or pleia2.
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will get with them.
[14:33] <nigel_nb> thanks :)
[14:51] <hggdh> nigel_nb: I am back
[15:59] <nigel_nb> hggdh, hey
[15:59] <nigel_nb> hggdh, ah, well, I took an hour
[16:02] <nigel_nb> hggdh, I was hoping we could have a few "how to triage" classes for members who were kicked out and were not sure where to start and all that
[16:12] <hggdh> nigel_nb: yes, we can
[16:12] <nigel_nb> hggdh, probably spread across different TZ's so everyone gets a chance to attend a class
[16:12] <hggdh> nigel_nb: and don't worry, I was/am also busy ;-)
[16:12] <nigel_nb> hggdh, :)
[16:12] <hggdh> np
[16:13] <nigel_nb> hggdh, so I'll leave you guys to figure out date and time
[16:13] <nigel_nb> and let someone from classroom team know
[16:13] <hggdh> nigel_nb: np
[16:14] <hggdh> bdmurray: ^^^
[16:22] <nigel_nb> hggdh, I'm gonna crash onto bed
[16:23] <nigel_nb> hggdh, just PM pleia2 or cjohnston once you're ready with date and times :)
[16:34] <hggdh> nigel_nb: will do
[17:21] <hggdh> bdmurray: can you renew my membership to bugsquad?
[17:58] <bdmurray> hggdh: done.
[18:33] <bdmurray> bug 517145
[18:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 517145 in bandwidthd (Ubuntu) "Script did not pass --debconf-ok to ucf on configure (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517145
[18:42] <hggdh> bdmurray: thank you (for all)
[19:02] <charlie-tca> pedro_: checked out the rhythmbox bug? Turned out the password was invalid, heh :-)
[19:03] <pedro_> charlie-tca, i haven't yet!
[19:03]  * pedro_ looking
[19:03] <charlie-tca> bug 508546
[19:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 508546 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox not allowing 16-character lastfm password (affects: 1)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508546
[19:05] <pedro_> charlie-tca, *awesome* hahaha!
[19:05] <pedro_> i need to bookmark this bug
[19:06] <charlie-tca> What a deal!
[19:12] <vish> anyone seen om26er yet ?
[19:13] <hggdh> vish. Heh. Now that you are looking form her/him, s/he is not in anymore ;-)
[19:14] <vish> :( , I'm having to reopen his bugs
[19:14] <vish> hggdh: he's gone rogue ;p
[19:15] <persia> Ugh.  We don't usually get that from someone in bug control.  Do we have any mechanism for control?
[19:19] <bdmurray> vish: what has happened?
[19:20] <vish> bdmurray: hmm , if a bug has not been sent upstream he just closes them as invalid :(
[19:24] <bdmurray> vish: do you have an example?
[19:24] <hggdh> persia: no real mechanism for control, except feeback
[19:24] <persia> hggdh: Well, it may be worth having a means to remove someone from bug control for bug abuse, if we don't already have that.
[19:25] <vish> bdmurray: Bug #395108 , /me currently upstreaming , but there are more
[19:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 395108 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Allow alphabetical sorting of bookmarks in Nautilus (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395108
[19:26]  * vish argh lp search could be better ;p
[19:26] <persia> What's incomplete about that bug?
[19:26] <thekorn_> but most interesting question in such cases is: why are such mistakes made, is there some unclear documentation somehwere etc
[19:26]  * persia isn't convinced it's a documentation issue in this case, but agrees that it may be an interesting question
[19:27] <bdmurray> persia: but that wouldn't change anything they could still mark bugs as invalid
[19:27] <persia> Hrm.  True.  I'm just thinking carrot / stick, but it doesn't actually address the issue.
[19:28] <vish> thekorn_: i think since we mark un-upstreamed bugs as incomplete , he imagines them to expire too
[19:30] <persia> I'm not sure we should be marking un-upstreamed bugs as incomplete.
[19:30] <persia> That doesn't seem to send the right message to submitters.
[19:35] <vish> persia: i agree , but someone mentioned that upstream might end up asking for more info , so we can rather mark it as incomplete just in case...
[19:36] <persia> Let's not.  In the case that upstream *does* ask for more info, it's interesting.  in the case where they don't, it is embarassing to use that we weren't able to determine anything.
[19:36] <persia> Plus, as a submitter, when my bug is incomplete, I either want to add more information to make it complete, or give up on submitting bugs because it's not possible to have them complete.
[19:40] <qense> om26er is very active in hundredpapercuts
[19:40] <hggdh> I agree. I would rather keep yet-to-be-uptreamed bugs as Confirmed, and mark them Triaged once upstreamed. If upstream asks a question, the OP will see it (or we relay), and can answer
[19:43] <vish> hggdh: yay...this incomplete always made me queasy :D...  maybe the wiki should be updated?
[19:44] <qense> I thought the preferred status for bugs that need forwarding was Confirmed.
[19:45]  * micahg thought triaged with an upstream task,,,
[19:48] <qense> I've never read anywhere that an unforwarded bug should be Incomplete.
[19:48]  * persia either
[19:49]  * vish neither , but was told here ;)
[19:49] <vish> qense: Bug #434650 , ;)
[19:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 434650 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "different keyboard shortcuts for the same functions (dup-of: 25446)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434650
[19:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 25446 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "Copy and paste with control + c / v (affects: 2) (dups: 1)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25446
[19:50] <qense> where?
[19:50] <qense> vish: Is that the right bug report?
[19:50] <vish> qense: "firefox is not part of gnome project so they make their own decisions."
[19:51] <qense> ah, it's a dup
[19:52] <qense> vish: Is this about om26er, or about marking bugs Incomplete when they need forwarding?
[19:53] <vish> qense: nah , i was just pointing this bug  , since some of the papercuts his reasons are kinda funny :)
[19:53] <qense> ah
[19:53] <qense> Well, maybe someone should have a talk with him.
[19:54] <vish> qense: one bug he marked as invalid since the title had the word "should" ,
[19:54] <qense> Huh? That doesn't make much sense.
[19:55] <persia> I've discussed some of his comments with him several times, but the response seems to be most commonly to ask someone else to set "Triaged" after I go to bed.
[19:56] <persia> On the other hand, he does a lot, and large chunks of it is useful, so I didn't want to block his application.
[19:56] <vish> qense: Bug #424416
[19:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 424416 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Evolution "Ctrl+S" should save an email as a draft (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424416
[19:57] <qense> persia: That's indeed the problem. He does a lot of work for papercuts. However, it's hard when he doesn't listen. Maybe someone should try to mentor him?
[19:57] <qense> Vish: Wishlists are papercuts!
[19:58]  * vish usually has just been reverting several of his papercut status
[19:58] <vish> qense: that is the problem with papercuts , some might seem like wishlist , but we need to think of the best practices
[19:58] <qense> We shouldn't have to do extra work because of him. In that case it's counterproductive.
[19:59] <qense> btw, a lot of reports about nautilus trash crash. Did something change to it lately?
[20:00] <persia> I think whether things are wishlist or papercut are orthogonal.
[20:00] <persia> Wishlist just means it's not actually broken, but could be better in some way.
[20:00] <persia> Papercut just means it's easy and annoying.
[20:01] <persia> Lots of papercuts happen to be wishlist, but neither all papercuts are wishlist nor are all wishlist bugs papercuts.
[20:01] <vish> yeah
[20:01] <qense> I tend to mark usability issues that hinder people as Low, but that differs per triager.
[20:02] <persia> qense: That matches our guidelines :)
[20:02] <qense> I try to comply to them. ;)
[20:02] <persia> But consider something like the following: When I'm using the foo application, I'd like to be able to save things directly to remote sources, rather than only the local filesystem.
[20:03] <persia> This would require migration to some vfs (gvfs, gio, etc.), rather than just using regular filesystem calls.
[20:03] <qense> Which is a lot of work.
[20:03] <persia> Well, maybe.  Depends on the code.
[20:03] <persia> I'll argue that it's both wishlist and potential papercut.
[20:04] <persia> If it happens to be a lot of work, then the papercut is invalid.  If not, it isn't.  Needs investigation.
[20:04] <qense> I agree with that.
[20:17] <brunogirin> hi, I recently filed a couple of bugs against OpenOffice (bug 510133 and bug 514686). I'm happy to take ownership of the bugs, forward them upstream, etc but I'd need someone to independently confirm them first, can anyone help?
[20:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 510133 in virtualbox-ose (Ubuntu) "Additional host-only network settings lost after host restart (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510133
[20:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 514686 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) "List formatting partially lost when saving as RTF (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/514686
[20:18] <brunogirin> sorry, I meant bug 516069 rather than 510133
[20:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516069 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) "Elbow connector adjustment lost when pasting drawing from Draw to Writer (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516069
[20:19] <charlie-tca> is 516069 and bug 482268 dups?
[20:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482268 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "connector loses track of position (affects: 1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482268
[20:22] <charlie-tca> nvm, look different to me
[20:26] <brunogirin> charlie-tca: it may be related but it's not the same, in the case of 516069, the connector can be selected and adjusted in Draw, it just loses its adjustment when pasted to Writer
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Yup, I caught it after I asked. Tried to save you some work, there. 516069 done
[20:30] <brunogirin> charlie-tca: thanks! I'll test in the Sun version of OO before forwarding upstream
[20:30] <charlie-tca> The other one, I have to research. There is a bug on rtf format in openoffice and abiword that may cover it.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> brunogirin: Thank you for helping. Every bit helps
[20:33] <brunogirin> charlie-tca: no prob, I've got a vested interested in making OO better as I use it all the time :-)
[20:37] <qense> brunogirin: Hello! How're you doing? Encountered any problems with triaging?
[20:48] <brunogirin> qense: Hi Sense! Not much for now as I haven't had time to do much triaging this week (real life and work taking over)
[20:50] <charlie-tca> brunogirin: 514686 done
[20:50] <qense> Real life deserves priority -- well, most of the times. ;) If you do have a question, I'll be here.
[20:50] <charlie-tca> one possible dup noted
[20:52] <brunogirin> charlie-tca: thanks
[20:52] <charlie-tca> you are welcome. Thanks again for helping
[21:02] <hggdh> oh boy... there I go again... timeouts on LP
[21:03] <yofel> bug 517619: installation error without DpkgTerminalLog ?
[21:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 517619 in ubuntu "package linux-headers-2.6.31-19-generic 2.6.31-19.56 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517619
[21:03] <qense> hggdh: the database problems again?
[21:03] <hggdh> I do not think so, I was looking at the busquad team
[21:04] <hggdh> but who knows what this actually does...
[21:04] <qense> they are now directing all read-only DB traffic through the two master DB servers as well, rather than the slaves, iirc
[21:06] <hggdh> that's what I understand also -- which should minimise the TOs, but force a bit of delays due to congestion
[21:08] <xteejx> Hey guys!!
[21:10] <xteejx> This X driver testing thing at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram ... what are we meant to do, it doesn't actually say. I'm guessing we just install Lucid from daily ISO and run it and see if the proprietary drivers work? It says about test results, etc though I'm confused....
[21:10] <qense> xteejx: I think you'd better ask that in #ubuntu-testing since we're the bug triagers, not the testers.
[21:11] <xteejx> no probs qense, this is my usual channel being a triager, thought this was mainly QA :)
[21:12] <qense> xteejx: we even had a main QA channel! It's at #ubuntu-quality, although I have to say that I don't see much activity in there.
[21:12] <xteejx> probably why it doesn't show up for me heh
[21:12] <xteejx> thanks qense
[21:12] <qense> yw  :)
[21:12] <xteejx> :)
[21:13] <charlie-tca> xteejx: there is a test case for the video cards that we should be using
[21:13] <xteejx> charlie-tca: Where is that?
[21:14] <charlie-tca> looking
[21:14] <xteejx> thanks :)
[21:15] <xteejx> charlie-tca: I see it now, had to click 'All' on the Filters...must be abug
[21:19] <brunogirin> qense: if I file a bug, nobody confirms it but someone who found it on launchpad sends me an email to say he's got the same problem, does ti qualify as a confirmation?
[21:20] <hggdh> as long as you copy the email in the bug, yes, it qualifies
[21:21] <qense> that's true, but you have to ask permission to copy the mail in the bug.
[21:22] <brunogirin> qense: ok, I'll try to get confirmation first
[21:24] <qense> brunogirin: it's not that important, it's just that I've been told that it is illegal to publish a conversation with someone without prior consent, unless you're a journalist and the conversation is newsworthy.
[21:25] <brunogirin> qense: hmmm... not sure if "minor bug in virtualbox" qualifies as "newsworthy" :-)
[21:25] <qense> that's the problem here :)
[21:25] <BUGabundo> maybe its not that minor ? :p
[21:25] <qense> Would an important security bug justify privacy violation?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> privacy??
[21:26] <BUGabundo> never!
[21:26] <hggdh> brunogirin: qense is correct -- there is a privacy issue there. Even if not illegal, we should respect this privacy
[21:26] <brunogirin> BUGabundo: it's more of an annoyance than anything else, see bug 510133
[21:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 510133 in virtualbox-ose (Ubuntu) "Additional host-only network settings lost after host restart (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510133
[21:26] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:26] <BUGabundo> now I can see what we are talking about :D
[21:27]  * BUGabundo will have trouble using LP in low res  lucid nvidia broken driver
[21:27] <qense> really? I'm having no troubles with it, fortunately.
[21:28] <BUGabundo> so one bug
[21:28] <BUGabundo> no comments
[21:28] <qense> My system just freezes when I use enter the first few minutes after I've booted the system...
[21:28] <BUGabundo> what so bad about it?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> it escapes me
[21:28] <BUGabundo> qense: lucid? X corruption after login in to reboots
[21:28] <BUGabundo> launched older kernel , got low res
[21:28] <qense> I did have a few smaller corrupted areas in the top left corner of my screen, but nothing more.
[21:29] <qense> However, I haven't booted the latest kernel yet.
[21:31] <BUGabundo> yeah, that's what I saw
[21:31] <BUGabundo> top left
[21:31] <BUGabundo> but nothing worked
[21:32] <BUGabundo> saw some disk IO but REISUB and sysrq+k did nothing
[21:32] <qense> My keyboard doesn't even have the SysRQ key. :S I hope I won't get a nasty surprise after rebooting.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I heard that yesterday
[21:33] <Brucevdk> Hi, I was researching a bug and when searching I came across dozens of bugs titled: "[9.10 regression] HDA power_save=10"  (with different systems obviously), is it common to have regressions be registered/expressed this way?
[21:33] <BUGabundo> but today everthing was fine
[21:33] <hggdh> qense: neither does mine, but I found AltPrtScrn to work
[21:33] <BUGabundo> Brucevdk: yes
[21:33] <BUGabundo> Brucevdk: crim_sun likes it like that
[21:33] <qense> hggdh: Thanks, I'll try that when I need it.
[21:34] <BUGabundo> so it collects data from the user for quick triage
[21:34] <BUGabundo> he usually closes them after a while
[21:34] <vish> hehe, BUGabundo neat way not to ping someone :)
[21:34] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:34] <BUGabundo> with the words he tracks, his screen must look like a xtmas tree
[21:35] <hggdh> qense: it varies from system to system. The best is to get to a VT, and then try some combinations for SysReq-Help
[21:35] <Brucevdk> BUGabundo: alright
[21:45] <brunogirin> hggdh: do you need to configure anything for SysRq to work? I've been trying in a VT as you suggested but don't seem to get anywhere on my laptop
[21:47] <hggdh> brunogirin: theoretically the Ubuntu kernels have sysReq support enabled by default. Finding the correct combination (Alt, or Ctrl, or both)+one of the keys is a pain but...
[21:48] <hggdh> brunogirin: another way is to find which scancode is expected, and use a keyscanner to find the correct combination
[21:48] <charlie-tca> yeah, on my stupid logitech keyboard, it is ctrl+alt+sysrq+ , but on my compaq, I don't need the ctrl key
[21:49] <hggdh> brunogirin: see, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key (not necessarily the best entry, but the first on a Google search)
[21:50] <brunogirin> hggdh: yes I'm reading that page right now :-) what action would you say is inoffensive when trying out several key combinations? m?
[21:51] <kklimonda> m is good
[21:51] <hggdh> or Help
[21:51] <kklimonda> brunogirin, you can try alt+shift+sysrq (that's from my keyboard :) )
[21:51] <hggdh> you may need to raise the logging level to get output, though
[21:52] <BUGabundo> alt+fn+Del on mine
[21:52] <brunogirin> hggdh: how do you do that?
[21:52] <hggdh> (I do not remember what it is, but I found I needed it)
[21:52] <hggdh> syReq followed by a digit from 0 to 9, 0 being minimum logging (like *nothing* output) to 9 being maximum logging
[21:55] <brunogirin> hggdh: mmm, that sounds like a nice chicken and egg situation: I can only do that once I know what is the SysRq key on my keyboard :-)
[21:57] <hggdh> if your keyboard is, er, standard (whatever that means) it should be Alt/Ctrl/Fn + PrntScrn/SysReq/Insert/Delete
[22:00] <brunogirin> ok, will try all of this, next stupid question: if I try with 'h', am I supposed to press the Alt, SysRq and h keys at the same time or can I press Alt + SysRq and h after that?
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Got to make pretzels out of your fingers
[22:03] <charlie-tca> all at once
[22:03] <persia> Or get a *really small* keyboard
[22:03] <charlie-tca> no, can hold down alt+sysrq, then hit the key
[22:07] <brunogirin> charlie-tca: found it: AltGr + PrtSc + <key> all at once on a ThinkPad T42, so yeah it'll probably be finger-pretzel time when I need to raise elephants
[22:07] <charlie-tca> yeah! fun, huh?
[22:08] <charlie-tca> Mine takes two hands to hit everything. My fingers must be short
[22:10] <brunogirin> BTW, both OO bugs we talked about earlier are now upstream
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Great! that was fast work. Thanks
[22:16] <brunogirin> I'm getting used to the idiosyncrasies of the OO tracker so with every new bug it should be faster :-)
[22:18] <hggdh> brb in a few. Gotta get back to the hotel while I have a ride. At least will not need to walk in the snow :-)
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> charlie-tca - could you recreate bug 509578?
[22:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 509578 in tracker (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "tracker indexing seems to halt on "libextract-vorbis.so: undefined symbol : ov_clear" (affects: 3)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509578
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Not on my system, but I was able to find the existing report on gnome bugzilla, that I linked to
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> ah, thanks. i'm just about to upload a fix for it, but i wanted someone to test something first
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> it's a hassle for me to test it, because i would have to downgrade my tracker version from 0.7.19
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Sorry. I just had two reporters in launchpad and one in bugzilla I used. I wonder if the 2nd reporter in launchpad will run the tests.
[22:58] <charlie-tca> He responded fast with the log files.
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> charlie-tca - it doesn't matter too much really. i'm fairly sure my change fixes it, and i'm sure they will comment back if it doesn't
[22:59] <charlie-tca> That's great! It is always good when we get enough information to be able to fix things.
[22:59] <charlie-tca> I'll keep an eye on it.
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, well, it would help if i could get it to build now ;)
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> seems i broke the build system
[23:15] <hggdh> ah, it was you, then ;-)
[23:16]  * charlie-tca thinking at least it wasn't me this time...
[23:16] <hggdh> LOL
[23:18] <hggdh> bdmurray: what is your take on bug 430953? Can it be closed wontfix?
[23:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430953 in coreutils (Ubuntu) "coreutils man pages are incomplete (affects: 2)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430953
[23:23] <kklimonda> hmm.. I have a guy whose laptop goes to hibernation after AC is connected. Everything is fine if he boots it with AC plugged in. Any idea how to debug it? I'll ask him to file a bug for now.. it may be connected to gpm or acpi...
[23:25] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, ^ any input?
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda - i'm not sure. is this on lucid?
[23:25] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, no - 9.10 on Toshiba A75 laptop
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, what does gnome-power-manager --verbose show when it happens?
[23:27] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, I was going to ask him that but as it's post on a board I've decided to gather more questions first :)
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> ah, well that would be the first thing i guess
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> although i'm not sure of any code path in g-p-m that would make it hibernate when you connect AC
[23:28] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson, he have to kill his working gpm first?
[23:28] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, right
[23:30] <kklimonda> and it kills session so he'd have to launch xterm first.. blah.. I'll ask him to check daily iso first - it may have been fixed in 10.04 after all by some random update :/
[23:53] <hggdh> anyone knows of a way to *temporarily* disable the screen saver?


[13:37] <ahasenack> hi, did we lose the zfs module in the raspi kernel (pi4) in lunar? I had a pi4 installed with kinetic and using zfs, release-upgraded to lunar, and the zfs module is nowhere to be found
[13:37] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/MkxTV8jhxs/
[13:37] <ahasenack> waveform: do you know something about this? ^


[13:32] <AsciiWolf> is universe in Groovy in the debian sync freeze phase?
[13:34] <Laney> yes
[13:40] <AsciiWolf> any chance someone could do a freeze exception for torbrowser-launcher? the current version that is in focal/groovy does not work at all and needs to be updated to a patched one from Debian
[13:53] <rbasak> AsciiWolf: that's a leaf package, right?
[13:54] <AsciiWolf> what's a leaf package? :)
[14:13] <rbasak> AsciiWolf: one that doesn't anything depending on it
[14:13] <rbasak> AsciiWolf: technically it needs release team approval. I suggest using "requestsync" to file a bug requesting a sync, mark it "[FFe]" in the bug title, explain in the bug why it should be safe to sync and subscribe ~ubuntu-release and request for a release team member to sponsor it directly if they accept the exception request
[14:14] <AsciiWolf> rbasak, ok, thanks! :)
[14:54] <RikMills> AsciiWolf rbasak: if torbrowser is (a) broken in groovy and (b) the fixed one in debian is the same upstream version, but with debian fixes, then I am not sure a FFe is required?
[14:55] <RikMills> Laney: ? ^
[14:56] <RikMills> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//contrib/t/torbrowser-launcher/torbrowser-launcher_0.3.2-13_changelog
[14:56] <RikMills> we have 0.3.2-11
[15:00] <AsciiWolf> https://salsa.debian.org/pkg-privacy-team/torbrowser-launcher/-/commit/ab8e9c1900b28a22724580447d4d969397fcb9e0
[15:00] <AsciiWolf> https://salsa.debian.org/pkg-privacy-team/torbrowser-launcher/-/commit/72b87f502af0666954d9ae9f51b794d546e1ab6c
[15:00] <AsciiWolf> these are the important patches
[15:01] <AsciiWolf> (updated debian/patches/series + the text format tor browser devel key)
[15:02] <AsciiWolf> there is also another gnupg-related fix that would be good to have in Ubuntu as well, but it is not needed (it is useful only on systems without gnupg2 package preinstalled): https://salsa.debian.org/pkg-privacy-team/torbrowser-launcher/-/commits/debian/sid
[15:03] <AsciiWolf> only the patch adding text format tor browser devel key + debian/patches/series update to include the patch is needed to make Tor Browser work
[15:06] <AsciiWolf> btw. the same fix will be needed in Focal as well, but it will be great if it gets fixed in Groovy for now :)
[15:50] <rbasak> RikMills: yes, you're right. I don't know the situation.
[15:50] <rbasak> If it is just bugfixes, then yes.
[16:12] <RikMills> AsciiWolf: synced
[16:12] <AsciiWolf> RikMills, cool, thanks a much! :-)
[18:50] <ItzSwirlz> Hey guys, any updates on my patches?
[19:35] <abyssangel> hello :)
[19:37] <ItzSwirlz> Hi, I can't find a wiki page on you/your name
[19:37] <ItzSwirlz> Yeah If you're looking for MOTU assistance, GOOD LUCK is all I have to say
[19:38] <ItzSwirlz> They have a great habit of IGNORING PEOPLE if you look at the logs so, yeah.
[19:40] <abyssangel> im new ta this game
[19:41] <ItzSwirlz> ah i see
[19:41] <ItzSwirlz> are you trying to get a patch in or something? or are you just here to be here
[19:52] <abyssangel> i want to patch a flaw in dbus that does not lets me open unlock the system bus
[20:19] <ItzSwirlz> Oh. Sorry I didn't check back
[20:19] <ItzSwirlz> My fault. Uhhhh I don't know much about Dbus /shrug
[20:22] <abyssangel> messed up my ubuntu recently by installng from source not universe:(
[20:22] <ItzSwirlz> Oh uh
[20:22] <ItzSwirlz> That's not a smart decision
[20:23] <ItzSwirlz> You probably messed up your system, go to #ubuntu for support
[20:23] <ItzSwirlz> It's probably intentional for security
[20:24] <abyssangel> thx:)
[20:25] <ItzSwirlz> np
[21:35] <ItzSwirlz> alr its been a while anyone here or got an update for my patches?


[05:49] <JackFrost> jphilips: systemd, though if you really want you could remove it I guess.  That's possible in Debian, though not always the most supported.
[20:01] <JackFrost> jphilips: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notes-plugin/1.9.0-1
[20:33] <jphilips> JackFrost: thanks for the heads up. guess its to late for it to get into debian


[16:24] <beantaxi> Hello all. I have a PR (#1166) where I noticed my integration tests were not running during CI. So I changed my test file name to begin with test_, and I added the pytest.mark.ci attribute to my test function
[16:25] <beantaxi> Now it's part of CI, but I'm not sure if that's actually OK or if you'd prefer that contributors not add to integration tests and thus slow down CI. Thanks!
[16:49] <beantaxi> Thanks @falcojr for answering this question via a PR comment
[19:14] <blackboxsw> falcojr: holmanb I finally responded to that cloud-init/subiquity Server live installer bug with context https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1958377/comments/11


[00:00] <dust> its a setting issue...
[00:00] <jhutchins> dust: If you know that, why are you asking here?
[00:01] <dust> jhutchins, because the infos dont give a full solution but are just bits and pieces...
[00:02] <dust> and its third party with a lot of problems...
[00:03] <dust> and just changes at a running system dosnt mean it works after a reboot...
[00:03] <dust> and so on...
[00:21] <pi__> 123
[00:50] <Ringtailed_Fox> i keep running into errors when trying to install snaps on Ubuntu on WSL...
[00:50] <Ringtailed_Fox> user@XOTICPC:/tmp$ sudo snap install --beta --devmode anbox
[00:50] <Ringtailed_Fox> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[00:50] <Ringtailed_Fox> - Run install hook of "anbox" snap if present (run hook "install": cannot perform operation: mount --rbind /dev /tmp/snap.rootfs_u0fe3W//dev: No such file or directory)
[00:51] <arraybolt3> Ringtailed_Fox: Is systemd enabled?
[00:51] <arraybolt3> snapd requires systemd, I believe.
[00:51] <Ringtailed_Fox> yes, it's enabled
[00:51] <Ringtailed_Fox> it seems to install other snaps just fine
[00:52] <arraybolt3> Hmm... there's no /dev directory looks like.
[00:52] <arraybolt3> Is /dev supposed to exist in WSL?
[00:52] <arraybolt3> If not, this may just be a WSL limitation.
[00:53] <murmel> sadly enough, wsl is a weird child of being something like a vm, but not 100%, so it does stuff differently. (that's the reason why systemd wasn't enabled by default, as they had to adjust it)
[00:53] <rob0>  The dual path separator "//" looks suspicious to me.
[00:54] <rob0> should another path element have been there?
[00:56] <jhutchins> Ringtailed_Fox: If you can run something like virtualbox to host an actual VM you'll probably have better results.
[00:57] <murmel> was already brought up yesterday ;)
[00:58] <jhutchins> Maybe we need a new acronym: "WSL Is Not an Emulator".
[00:59] <rbox> or just WSL Is Garbage
[00:59] <rbox> it rolls right off the tongue
[00:59] <Ringtailed_Fox> well, i like to test stuff on WSL before i put it on a production machine
[00:59] <murmel> it's nice for devwork, but everything else, vms and containers exist ;)
[01:00] <rob0> wsl has been useful to me, despite a few bugs, to have a full GNU/Linux command line available for very little extra effort.
[01:01] <Ringtailed_Fox> exactly
[01:02] <murmel> rob0: definitely, I assume that they try to get everything working, minus the custom kernel (as you get that through windows update)
[01:04] <Ringtailed_Fox> hm?
[01:07] <Ringtailed_Fox> ooh, okay. so i purged it form my system with apt purge and now it seems to install snaps again
[01:08] <murmel> what did you purge?
[01:08] <Ringtailed_Fox> snapd
[01:08] <Ringtailed_Fox> then re-installed it and it seems tow ork
[01:08] <Ringtailed_Fox> *work
[01:14] <Ringtailed_Fox> okay
[01:14] <Ringtailed_Fox> i did not expect it to be that easy
[02:12] <dragon_> anyone on?
[02:13] <murmel> dragon_: sure
[02:15] <jhutchins> 1063 nicks.
[02:15] <jhutchins> Admittedly, most of us just lurk.
[02:16] <jhutchins> dragon_: Did you have a question about ubuntu?
[04:16] <pratiwi> test
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> it works, we see you
[04:17] <pratiwi> thx!!!
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> this is the ubuntu support channel for 'if' you had questions
[04:19] <pratiwi> I'm using lubuntu, is it true that lubuntu has a lot of bugs rumors
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> pratiwi: every Os and ubuntu flavour has a lot of bugs, solved/worked on/new
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> but the community & devs are very active solving and reporting them
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> pratiwi: does your statement have a purpose to a bug of your own experience? or you just want to chat/discuss?
[04:23] <pratiwi> I've been using lubuntu for the past 3 months, but I've never felt any significant bugs I guess it's just an unproven rumor
[05:28] <helpnointernet> (AndroUser) Hi, i'm writing from my phone. My internet connection suddendly stopped working after i installed a game trough lutris (wine). I was able to play the game online fine and when i finished internet randomly woulnt work anymore. My wifi connection is totally fine and internet works on my phone. How can i "reset" my itnernet settings? Im pretty sure wine or lutris did some damage.
[05:33] <arraybolt3> helpnointernet: Please avoid cross-posting, if you try to follow two different sets of info from two different channels at the same time, the results may be disastrous. Wait for answers in one channel, if they aren't coming then switch to another channel.
[05:43] <helpnointernet> I solved my issue. Thank you
[07:09] <slave_blocker> hello
[07:09] <slave_blocker> i have a 250 gb ssd, on a desktop in my lan with a xeon e3 1270.
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> !crosspost | slave_blocker
[07:10] <slave_blocker> ...
[07:25] <root__> hello
[07:32] <adrenal> hi
[07:36] <luna> hi
[07:47] <lurker_8473> hello all
[07:47] <lurker_8473> !botsnack
[07:52] <moha> Hi
[07:52] <moha> I set OpenStack for SelfService (over ovs), but metadata injection into instances does not works! Lanched Instances are the same as the introduced image! no hostname set, no ip set
[08:36] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how do I hide the 'recent' shortcut on thunar?
[09:23] <dante> how can I move the Ubuntu taskbar/launcher to my other monitor?
[09:24] <Habbie> make that monitor the primary monitor in settings > displays i think
[11:01] <dante> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1436618/nautilus-sleeping-refuses-to-launch-after-upgrade-to-22-10
[11:01] <dante> what's the solution fellas?  Can someone see whats wrong here? https://imgur.com/taec8my.png
[11:16] <mjt0k> heh
[11:17] <mjt0k> Intelo: why do you think you have any free space at vgxubuntu-root logical volume?
[11:19] <dante> Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer documentation for instructions about installing connector.
[11:19] <dante> how to fix this?
[11:21] <Intelo> mjt0k because the container lukes is near 1TB
[11:22] <mjt0k> Intelo: please read my question again
[11:22] <ravage> Dante: wait for the fix to be included in the stable Firefox snap or use the beta
[11:22] <Intelo> it does not but thast why resizing it mjt0k
[11:23] <mjt0k> Intelo: *sigh*
[11:23] <mjt0k> Intelo: let's put it this way: your btrfs knows only about this logical volume device. It knows nothing about the "container" (volume group) it is in
[11:24] <mjt0k> Intelo: does it make sense?
[11:24] <Intelo> yes
[11:24] <Intelo> mjt0k so what should I do?
[11:24] <mjt0k> Intelo: resize this *volume* first, I guess, based on the free space on the volume group (the "container")
[11:25] <Intelo> mjt0k by which command exactly?
[11:26] <mjt0k> how about asking google for 'resize logical volume linux' or somesuch? :)
[11:26] <Intelo> I did a lot of that
[11:29] <mjt0k> well, about every page google finds for me has that stuff explained quite well. I'm sorry google weren't that helpful for you
[11:54] <Intelo> It seems I cannot resize btrfs partition to max or at any gigabyte value. Can someone see whats wrong here? https://imgur.com/taec8my.png
[11:55] <nodari> ciao
[12:00] <gebbione> hi, i just restarted the window manager and all apps disappeared, if i try to switch sessions (not sure if this is the right term) with CTRL + ALT + F1 or F2 these are completely new sessions. Is there a way that stuff is still running or have i lost it all?
[12:02] <EriC^> gebbione: they're gone
[12:02] <EriC^> gebbione: if you want to be sure, try 'ps aux | grep <some program>' and see if it's still running
[12:02] <gebbione> yep cannot see them
[12:02] <gebbione> i had a long process running for days ... gone :<
[12:02] <gebbione> strange
[12:02] <gebbione> it is faster than restarting
[12:02] <EriC^> maybe you could continue it
[12:02] <gebbione> but the docker containers are still there
[12:03] <gebbione> it is fzipcrack
[12:03] <EriC^> surely you can continue it
[12:03] <gebbione> not sure how to start from a specific word forward
[12:03] <gebbione> i now where it reached approximately
[12:03] <gebbione> but had browsers etc
[12:03] <EriC^> you're using a dictionary attack on what kind of zip encryption?
[12:04] <EriC^> if it's not AES, there are smarter ways to go about it than bruteforcing
[12:04] <gebbione> not sure, i relied on fzipcrack to do the work
[12:04] <gebbione> i m sure there are
[12:04] <gebbione> i have no clue :)
[12:04] <EriC^> it's your zip?
[12:05] <Intelo>  https://imgur.com/NDJor9N.png
[12:05] <gebbione> i just received a zip with my data but packed by a third party and they password protect it and expect me to call to get the password :( i find that so annoying especially since they could use other ways for safer data transfer
[12:10] <EriC^> gebbione: aha
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:22] <effortDee> hi
[12:22] <effortDee> external hard drive is locked
[12:22] <effortDee> i can see what is on it but cant add to it
[12:22] <effortDee> googling stuff and im struggling to work out what i need to do
[14:05] <dante> What's the default cursor icon theme in Ubuntu fellas?
[15:19] <jhutchins> effortDee: Hard drives not mounted by the system at boot are usually mounted as owned by root, read-only by users.  This is intentional.
[15:39] <koraycoding> hey guys
[15:39] <koraycoding> i need a favor please
[15:39] <koraycoding> would you guys install and test our snap package please?
[15:40] <koraycoding> https://snapcraft.io/validity
[15:40] <koraycoding> its validity core qt wallet
[15:41] <koraycoding> I greatly appreciated of your feedbacks
[15:47] <dragon_> is this strictly ubuntu, or possibly other buntus included?
[15:48] <koraycoding> all ubuntu versions and its flavors included
[15:48] <dragon_> I have lubuntu, and after the 22.10 upgrade, the monitor settings are replaced with something new. I cant find the dormant adjustments
[15:49] <dragon_> everything else seems to be running fine, booting etc
[15:50] <dragon_> My pc goes dormant way too quickly, and I was to set the timer for 30 minutes
[15:50] <dragon_> it is just not there anymore
[15:50] <codedmart> Any dnsmasq gurus in here? Can I setup dnsmasq to forward urls back to the computer that the request came from? Ie lets say that I have computer a and computer b. If computer a goes queries random.test I want that to resolve back to computer a, but if computer b queries random.test I want that to resolve back to computer b. Is that possible?
[15:51] <mjt0k> codedmart: dnsmasq does not forward URLs :)
[15:52] <codedmart> mjt0k Right maybe I didn't explain that right.
[15:53] <mjt0k> the explanation is clear, but the initial question is somewhat funny
[15:53] <mjt0k> and nope, I don't know a way in dnsmasq to return address of the host which made the query in the dns request
[15:53] <alkisg> codedmart: man dnsmasq, read --interface-name
[15:54] <alkisg> Ah nevermind you want the client IP
[15:54] <mjt0k> alkisg: this is dnsmasq's interface name, not the client address
[15:54] <mjt0k> yeah
[15:55] <jhutchins> dragon_: Is there a power manager setting tool?
[15:55] <codedmart> Thanks all
[15:57] <alkisg> codedmart: you could resolve to <IP_ADDRESS> though,  then it would be the client IP in any case :D
[15:57] <codedmart> Ah right facepalm moment. That is what I want.
[15:57] <codedmart> Thanks again.
[16:49] <Gzu> hello, my gode usb not work with ubuntu, you have a driver ? :)
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> Gzu: gode?
[16:54] <Gzu> my vibro
[16:56] <cartdrige> Vibros needs android or applol.
[16:56] <cartdrige> you stick them in your pants and they enjoy.
[16:57] <Gzu> lol
[17:19] <geosmile> My ubuntu box freezes after a reboot (actual power down/up works) - how do i debug this?
[17:20] <amcsi__> hey
[17:20] <amcsi__> I'm trying to install an old 2017 version of mssql on my Xubuntu 22.04, and I'm getting this: mssql-server : Depends: python (>= 2.7.0) but it is not installable
[17:20] <tomreyn> geosmile: at which point does it freeze there?
[17:21] <amcsi__> I already have all of python2 and python2-dev installed. If I had to guess, it's trying to assume my python2 can be found under the python name (without a number). How do I fix this?
[17:21] <tomreyn> amcsi__: you don't install random packages and expect them to be compatible, though
[17:22] <jhutchins> geosmile: How long have you waited for it to un-freeze?  Can you connect from another computer?  Can you access a console?  What happens if you reboot to non-graphical mode?
[17:24] <amcsi__> I need to try though
[17:24] <jhutchins> amcsi__: Why do you need the older MySQL?  Maybe there's a work-around with a current version.
[17:24] <amcsi__> mssql aka. sql server
[17:25] <amcsi__> to match what's used on production
[17:25] <tomreyn> production probably uses a different ubuntu version, too?
[17:25] <jhutchins> amcsi__: What's the production OS/Version?
[17:25] <amcsi__> it uses Windows probably. but I still want to match the SQL Server version
[17:26] <amcsi__> so I wouldn't use features locally that won't work on production
[17:27] <morgan-u2> How do I kono what is the version of my zoom. .. do I have version 5.8.0 or older becuase tho it says Ubuntu is in  Citrix/VMware/AVD plugin: /etc/zoomvdi/ZoomMedia.ini -- that file or anything similar does not exist.((crying into the darkness... whatever they did for screenshot in 22.04 is horrible. Horrible. it shows up when I dont want it and it is difficult to find and wont go into the dock.)
[17:28] <geosmile> tomreyn, jhutchins Syncing filesystems and block devices timed out - that is where it hangs while shutting down
[17:28] <tomreyn> amcsi__: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/linux/sql-server-linux-release-notes-2017?view=sql-server-ver16 lists supported platforms
[17:28] <morgan-u2> that was unwittingly two comments combined. my bad
[17:28] <amcsi__> so what should I try to run to be able to advance with the mssql-installer?
[17:28] <geosmile> blocked for more than 120 seconds
[17:29] <amcsi__> I get that it's unsupported, but I still want to install it
[17:29] <ravage> amcsi__, find out the Ubuntu version that is compatible with it and run it in a VM/container
[17:29] <amcsi__> I got it to install last time on Ubuntu 20.04 which also wasn"t supported
[17:29] <amcsi__> I could run it in a container, but running it natively is much faster
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> morgan-u2: snap info zoom-client
[17:30] <mjt0k> what's snap anyway?
[17:30] <tomreyn> geosmile: you previously wrote that your system "freezes after a reboot", now you're saying it "hangs while shutting down". which one is it?
[17:31] <tomreyn> amcsi__: did you read the page i pointed you to?
[17:32] <geosmile> tomreyn, previouly i just saw the ubuntu logo - so i thought it freezes at reboot - but the reboot had not gone through - looks like the shutdown hangs
[17:33] <dragon_> were are the new monitor settings for lubuntu 22.10? I can not find the dormant interval setting?
[17:33] <dragon_> daft upgrades
[17:33] <morgan-u2> simplify my question. what is the grep command to search for the  ZoomMedia.ini   everywhere ?
[17:33] <tomreyn> morgan-u2: if it's installed as a debian package:   apt list --installed *zoom*      if it's installed as a snap:   snap list | grep -i zoom
[17:34] <morgan-u2> I have it installed. That is an answer to a different question. It works find. I want to edit that file.
[17:34] <tomreyn> morgan-u2: this answer was in response to your first question, not the latter one
[17:34] <morgan-u2> I must have expressed the question badly the first time. I need to edit that file.
[17:34] <tomreyn> morgan-u2: you originally asked which version you have installed, these commands would show.
[17:34] <morgan-u2> And I cant find it
[17:34] <mjt0k> amcsi__: this mssql package should be installable on any current ubuntu/debian system, *provided* you have two extra libraries from older releases: libjemalloc1 and libssl1.0.0
[17:35] <tomreyn> morgan-u2: find out how it was installed first
[17:35] <tomreyn> !bootlog | geosmile: this will also help with debugging the shutdown
[17:36] <morgan-u2> tomreyn, IThat was the meaning of my first question. Meanwhile I tried all the paths for all the versions of zoom they mentioned and the directory/ies mentioned for any of the versions did not exist.
[17:37] <tomreyn> morgan-u2: i see. did you already find out how you installed this application?
[17:37] <morgan-u2> ThtomrI am expressing this as an Ubuntu questio but my goal is to edit this zoom configuration file (https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/4414459007757-Enabling-Smart-Virtual-Backgrounds-for-Linux#h_01FN6YZ681TY3K25AP281V8Y2T\
[17:38] <jhutchins> morgan-u2: I think you're buried way too deep in third-party subsystems for us to be able to help you there.
[17:38] <amcsi_> tomreyn, what makes you think I didn't read it?
[17:38] <Guest69> I'm currently facing a problem and am not able to run synaptic. Something called PolicyKit is preventing the program from running. I do not care about PolicyKit and I would like to remove synaptic from its list of managed programs. Is this possible?
[17:38] <jhutchins> !zoom
[17:38] <jhutchins> Worthless bot.
[17:38] <geosmile> tomreyn, jhutchins https://paste.pics/92d87743fcadf35656b4128edb9840a5 - this is how my machine hangs while shutting down
[17:38] <tomreyn> amcsi_: well, it clearly states which ubuntu versions it is compatible to. so you culd just install one of those.
[17:39] <amcsi_> tomreyn, and did you read what I wrote in response to that?
[17:39] <tomreyn> amcsi__: yes
[17:39] <tomreyn> amcsi_: yes
[17:40] <tomreyn> amcsi: yes
[17:40] <tomreyn> can you limit yourself to one or two client, please
[17:40] <jhutchins> https://zoom.us/client/latest/zoom_amd64.deb
[17:41] <amcsi_> I am using one client. something just got messed up and I somehow needed to re-login
[17:42] <tomreyn> amcsi_: well, you have three active client connections to network and joined to this irc channel. maybe something to sort out later.
[17:42] <amcsi_> tomreyn, so then we've established that I acknowledge that the version I want to install is unsupported, but I would like to try and install it anyway, since I was already able to install the same version on one older LTS ubuntu that was also unsupported. And I'm looking for help with that
[17:42] <Guest69> I'm currently facing a problem and am not able to run synaptic. Something called PolicyKit is preventing the program from running. I do not care about PolicyKit and I would like to remove synaptic from its list of managed programs. Is this possible?
[17:43] <morgan-u2> jhutchins,  have long wondered how to find a filename using grep and looking everywhere in the filesystem.   You are correct which is why I cnanged the question to How do I find ta <finlename> by using grep to "look everwhere". Thank you.
[17:43] <tomreyn> amcsi_: you're welcome to keep looking for support with this here, i'm just saying you'll have a much easier life if you just install the software on an ubuntu release it is meant to be used on.
[17:44] <geosmile> tomreyn, any ideas on this ? https://paste.pics/92d87743fcadf35656b4128edb9840a5
[17:45] <tomreyn> Guest69: policykit is how synaptic gains the ability to run commands as root, which it needs to do. you probably don't want to get rid of it.
[17:46] <Guest69> tomreyn: Currently policykit is only preventing synaptic from running at all. I just need to run the program, so I need to disable policykits management of it.
[17:46] <Guest69> Is there a list of programs managed by policykit or some way of removing synaptic from its control?
[17:47] <geosmile> is there a way to do zfs rollback in the foreground? Looks like this command runs things in the background?
[17:47] <tomreyn> geosmile: hmm, no, not really. i guess what may be the root cause is that /var/log fails to unmount, and if you can solve that you may be able to solve the issue where the final sync fails, too.
[17:47] <amcsi_> tomreyn, so would you please help me figure out how I can satisfy the installer which expects python 2.7 to be installed? cause I do have it installed
[17:47] <tomreyn> geosmile: this was in response to "any ideas on this"
[17:48] <tomreyn> amcsi_: sorry, not i.
[17:48] <amcsi_> ok
[17:49] <tomreyn> amcsi_: if you need help with trying to install mssql on 18.04 LTS, i will try to help (if around)
[17:50] <ravage> and as mentioned before that should really not be a big deal with LXD for example
[17:50] <amcsi_> no thank you. I don't want to go to an old Ubuntu version just for one package
[17:50] <ravage> there is almost no performance impact there at all
[17:50] <geosmile> tomreyn, Thanks. This hang only happens after i do a "zfs rollback -rR ..." - perhaps there is a way to wait before reboot on that command?
[17:51] <tomreyn> geosmile: that's indeed information you should have provided initially. i am not familiar enough with zfs to help with this, though.
[17:51] <ravage> a rollback on a filesystem in use sounds like a very bad idea
[17:52] <ravage> like the kind of idea that makes your system crash
[17:52] <geosmile> ravage, ZFS was designed for that
[17:52] <ravage> no
[17:53] <ravage> ZFS may me able to perform that operation but your system is not made for that
[17:53] <geosmile> ravage, explain
[17:54] <geosmile> tomreyn, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/378678/why-do-i-get-the-error-failed-unmounting-var-during-shutdown - could it be this?
[17:54] <ravage> i think "do not rollback a mounted filesystem" was clear
[17:54] <tomreyn> geosmile: ^
[17:54] <geosmile> ravage, there is a "-f" in rollback that unmounts the FS - but that doesnt help me either
[17:55] <ravage> the use of "force" is usually a clue too
[18:00] <tomreyn> amcsi_: there are even pre-built docker images for this task: https://hub.docker.com/_/microsoft-mssql-server
[18:01] <tomreyn> amcsi_: if you have long term system engineers / operators in your company, i recommend having a chat with them on how they would approach the situation of migrating the software / data or creating a compatible environment, and why.
[18:02] <ravage> i think he is far beyond the point of logic and reason by now :)
[18:16] <geosmile> https://dpaste.org/GMxaY - are these device lookups failed anything that is hould be concerned about in dmesg?
[18:38] <jhutchins> Out-of-support production Windows servers without any test/dev environment, no planned replacement.  I'd say he's not the one at fault here, he's just trying to dig out of a hole without a shovel.
[18:40] <jhutchins> Even recovering data from some of the old MySQL servers if they haven't been kept up can be a job for if-you-have-to-ask level specialists.
[19:26] <mybalzitch> 22.04 desktop installer is just awful if you have more than one drive AND want to use ZFS encryption
[19:27] <mybalzitch> and I have do do "something else" apparently if I want it installed to the second drive, because the first two choices imply they'll just blow up the first hard drive, as there's no obvious spot to choose which drive its gonna work on in that screen, or the next one before you choose "install"
[19:28] <murmel> mybalzitch: never tried zfs-on-root, but it should give you the option of selecting which drive to use
[19:29] <mybalzitch> "should"
[19:30] <murmel> I mean as it's beta. so can be bugged, at the same time, the old installer is not developed anymore, as canonical pushes the new one (which gets rid of zfs-on-root)
[19:31] <mybalzitch> welll this is the 22.04.01 desktop installer
[19:31] <murmel> yes? can still be a bug
[19:32] <murmel> and as not a lot of people are installing it with zfs-on-root *shrug*
[19:32] <mybalzitch> sure, why not ship beta installer software in a production / LTS version of the OS
[19:32] <mybalzitch> okay, but even if I don't want zfs, I just want a regular install, or an encrypted install, its not giving me an option unless I go to the expert mode, on which drive to install to
[19:32] <murmel> mybalzitch: only zfs-on-root is beta, the rest is stable
[19:33] <murmel> it definitely should give you the option to select which drive to choose
[19:33] <mybalzitch> it prompts me for a security key, then the only choice is "install now"
[19:34] <murmel> afair it's after that
[19:34] <mybalzitch> but if I choose no advanced features, then I get to choose which drive to install to, and the install now button appears
[19:34] <murmel> give me a sec, will verify
[19:36] <murmel> mybalzitch: yeah, after clicking install now, you can select which drive to choose
[19:40] <mybalzitch> thanks for confirming
[19:40] <mybalzitch> that button needs to be renamed/.
[21:04] <cheater> hi, i have ubuntu 22.10 running under virtualbox 7.0.2. there is no scaling option for the display, so everything is super tiny. how can i fix this?
[21:04] <cheater> as in UI scaling. i want it to be 200%
[21:08] <cheater> lot going on tonight eh
[21:22] <jhutchins> cheater: Still there?
[21:22] <cheater> yes
[21:22] <cheater> :)
[21:23] <cheater> the scaling option disappeared after i installed vbox guest additions btw
[21:23] <jhutchins> Ah, yes, that's what I was going to suggest.
[21:23] <jhutchins> What's the host?  Windows?
[21:24] <cheater> yes
[21:30] <jhutchins> That's a pretty good setup, especially if the Windows support team is solid.
[23:09] <Lartza> What would cause a PPA to not... work
[23:10] <Lartza> apt update lists it being updated but no packages from it show
[23:10] <murmel> what does a apt policy <package> say?
[23:11] <Lartza> Nothing unusual and only stuff from the repo package
[23:11] <oerheks> what ppa for what version?
[23:11] <oerheks> it might not have packages for your version (yet)
[23:11] <Lartza> https://launchpad.net/~maxmind/+archive/ubuntu/ppa jammy
[23:12] <oerheks>  geoipupdate libmaxminddb, no geoip and update..
[23:12] <oerheks> contact the maintainer?
[23:13] <Lartza> I assume geoip is the old name for the tool
[23:17] <Lartza> Ohhhh
[23:17] <Lartza> not built for ARM, only amd64
[23:17] <Lartza> Kind of didn't even think about that sorry :P
[23:17] <oerheks> good spot


[07:35] <trijntje> Hi all, I want to make dutch screenshots for the ubuntu documentation, are there any guidlines/scripts I can use?
[08:23] <trijntje> nevermind, I found the script
[14:23] <elfy> hi - any mailing list admins - you've got a mail stuck in the queue from me re Community Council meeting tomorrow - thanks :)
[14:24] <belkinsa> I saw the e-mail.  Who should come to this meeting.
[14:24] <belkinsa> Oh, the reply to my question?  that one?
[14:31] <elfy> hi belkinsa - I just saw your reply
[14:31] <elfy> I guess anyone who's able to that can talk to us about what we can do
[14:32] <belkinsa> Ah, I figured that it would be that reply.
[14:32] <belkinsa> I might try o make it.
[14:33] <elfy> I don't know without looking if there was ever any response to the original mail from the team admins
[14:34] <belkinsa> I think not, since I got your fiy today.
[14:36] <elfy> yep - ok


[01:10] <monkey> howdy
[01:10] <monkey> The information could not be retrieved. Maybe your internet connection is down?
[01:11] <monkey> recent upgrade to natty
[01:12] <monkey> I saw in one of the logs that it was having issues with an old uuid that had changed so I reinstalled every ubuntuone-* and now I'm getting this fun error
[01:13] <monkey> if anyone has any ideas I'll post it over at the forum, since I didn't see an answer there
[01:16] <duanedesign> hello monkey
[01:16] <monkey> Hi
[01:16] <duanedesign> have you filed a bug on this?
[01:17] <monkey> I have not
[01:17] <duanedesign> ok\
[01:17] <monkey> I figured that it was probably some weird setting that I had somewhere
[01:17] <duanedesign> I saw a bug report similar to this yesterday
[01:17] <duanedesign> (why i ask)
[01:17] <monkey> ok
[01:17] <duanedesign> monkey: you are using Network Manager? and not WICD?
[01:18] <monkey> how can I tell?
[01:19] <monkey> /etc/NetworkManager
[01:19] <duanedesign> monkey: you wouuld likely know. You would of had to have installed WICD and set it up to handle your network
[01:19] <monkey> nope, didn't do that
[01:19] <duanedesign> ok.
[01:21] <duanedesign> i am looking to see If i can find what triggers that error
[01:23] <monkey> I should mention too that I'm running gnome3
[01:23] <duanedesign> monkey: monkey is their anything in your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[01:23] <duanedesign> ahh ok
[01:24] <monkey> there was tons of stuff, I deleted the .cache/ubuntuone folder
[01:24] <monkey> I'll check again
[01:25] <monkey> I've been getting really high CPU on it too, that's why I started trying to figure it out
[01:26] <monkey> and my net up was constantly around 270kib/s
[01:26] <monkey> current exceptions.log is empty
[01:26] <monkey> 2011-05-04 20:07:03,599 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.sync - ERROR - unhandled exception
[01:26] <monkey> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:26] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 305, in on_event
[01:26] <monkey>     **kwargs)
[01:26] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm/fsm.py", line 110, in on_event
[01:26] <monkey>     event_name, parameters, args))
[01:26] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 223, in level_log
[01:26] <monkey>     self.log(lvl, message, *args, **kwargs)
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 253, in log
[01:27] <monkey>     "relpath of: %r", self.key['path'])
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 98, in __getitem__
[01:27] <monkey>     return self.get(key)
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 79, in get
[01:27] <monkey>     mdobj = self.fs.get_by_mdid(mdid)
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/filesystem_manager.py", line 767, in get_by_mdid
[01:27] <monkey>     mdobj = self.fs[mdid]
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/tritcask.py", line 860, in __getitem__
[01:27] <monkey>     return self._deserialize(self._db.get(self.row_type, key))
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/tritcask.py", line 778, in get
[01:27] <monkey>     kd_entry.value_sz)
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/tritcask.py", line 757, in _get_value
[01:27] <monkey>     return self._immutable[file_id][value_pos:value_pos+value_sz]
[01:27] <monkey> KeyError: '130455381722362'
[01:27] <monkey> that's the old one
[01:29] <duanedesign> ok. Use a pastebin for multi-line text. http://fpaste.org/
[01:29] <monkey> sorry
[01:29] <duanedesign> no worries :)
[01:30] <monkey> http://fpaste.org/Y3Ok/
[01:31] <monkey> empathy handles it really well
[01:31] <monkey> I used trillian for years and it would irc flood
[01:33] <monkey> credentials.log: http://fpaste.org/7M3C/
[01:34] <mwhudson> is there a bug for tags not being read from m4a music files that i can subscribe to?
[01:38] <duanedesign> mwhudson: could you also paste the syncdaemon.log ?
[01:38] <duanedesign> oops
[01:38] <duanedesign> monkey: ^^
[01:39] <dobey> mwhudson: #660633 and #732776 seem to be about it.
[01:40] <mwhudson> dobey: are they private?
[01:40] <dobey> yes
[01:40] <dobey> probably don't need to be though
[01:41] <mwhudson> so i guess that's a no to my question in a strict sense then :)
[01:41] <monkey> http://fpaste.org/ZRDu/
[01:41] <mwhudson> in other news, the music streaming doesn't seem to be able to keep up on my android phone
[01:41] <mwhudson> it's on wifi, so i have a slightly hard time believing the network is too slow
[01:42] <monkey> I had it installed on my incredible for a while but i kept getting FC's all the time and I let the subscription run out
[01:42] <mwhudson> i'm in nz of course, so latency is probably a bit higher than for most people...
[01:43] <mwhudson> monkey: an advantage of working for canonical i guess, not having to pay :)
[01:43] <monkey> lol
[01:43] <dobey> mwhudson: i susbscribed you, marked one as dup of the other, since they're the same, and made them public. :)
[01:44] <mwhudson> dobey: thanks :)
[01:47] <duanedesign> monkey: can you open Password and Encryption Keys (seahorse)
[01:47]  * mwhudson turns wifi off, watches streaming go faster
[01:47] <mwhudson> maybe the local network is messed up some how
[01:48] <monkey> I opened seahorse
[01:48] <monkey> I see monkey@pluto which is my puter
[01:48] <monkey> should I delete it?
[01:48] <dobey> mwhudson: turn off your bittorrent :)
[01:49] <dobey> monkey: that's probably your ssh key?
[01:49] <dobey> monkey: there should be one with "Ubuntu One" in the name
[01:49] <duanedesign> monkey: yeah you are looking for the Ubuntu One token
[01:51] <monkey> under passwords: Passwords:default, Passwords:login :::: under My Personal Keys: monkey@pluto Key Id xxxxxxx :::: under other keys: empty
[01:52] <duanedesign> its the Passwords Tab
[01:52] <duanedesign> Passwords:Default you should be able to expand the folder
[01:53] <duanedesign> You may have to right-click and Unlock
[01:54] <monkey> ok... there's https://login.ubuntuone.com and "Ubuntu One"
[01:54] <monkey> delete them both?
[01:56] <duanedesign> dobey: that is just the naming difference between the older and newer Tokens, correct?
[01:56] <dobey> no
[01:56] <duanedesign> ok so its the second one
[01:56] <dobey> new is just "Ubuntu One"
[01:57] <dobey> the login.ubuntuone.com, i have no idea where that would be from, since the domain doesn't even exist :)
[01:57] <duanedesign> monkey: right-click > Delete the 'Ubuntu One' token
[01:58] <monkey> i did that, then restarted the ubuntu one control app, went to login to account and got
[01:58] <dobey> if you use epiphany as your web browser, it stores passwords in your keyring if you have it remember them; and that might be for login.ubuntu.com, but not for ubuntuone specifically
[01:59] <monkey> Method "CreateItem" with Signature "a{sv}{oayay}b" on intrface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist
[01:59] <monkey> k
[01:59] <duanedesign> uhh
[01:59] <monkey> I use FF and Chrome
[01:59] <dobey> ugh you are using gnome3
[01:59] <monkey> lol
[02:00] <dobey> gnome-keyring 3.x broke the API, and thus breaks ubuntu one
[02:00] <monkey> ok
[02:00] <monkey> so I'm SOL for now?
[02:00] <duanedesign> is a downgrade of the package possible?
[02:01] <dobey> possible, but would need to get rid of all the gnome3 stuff that uses it also; which is quite a bit
[02:01] <dobey> like, everything
[02:02] <monkey> lol
[02:03] <duanedesign> :\
[02:04] <monkey> << Web Developer, I understand the pain of multi-platform support
[02:04]  * monkey shakes fist at M$
[02:06] <dobey> what do they have to do with anything?
[02:06] <monkey> Internet Explorer doesn't believe in web standards
[02:07] <dobey> nobody does
[02:07] <monkey> lol
[02:07] <dobey> that's why half the crap is prefixed with -webkit or -mozilla
[02:07] <monkey> true
[02:07] <dobey> it's only fair that MS gets -microsoft or -trident or whatever it's called now
[02:08] <dobey> because having to write the exact same CSS 3 times is so much fun
[02:08] <monkey> it's more that they don't even follow their own standards between releases
[02:08] <fagan> IE is a pain but 9 is an attempt
[02:08] <monkey> <--lte IE 6 --> <--lte IE 7 --> <--lte IE8-->
[02:09] <monkey> I haven't even looked at it yet
[02:09] <dobey> i just wish people would continue to support netscape 3.04
[02:09] <monkey> I'm so removed ufrom windows ever since my harddrive died and I install ubunt
[02:09] <monkey> u
[02:09] <monkey> lol
[02:09] <monkey> wow, I remember when navigator came out
[02:10] <monkey> I feel old
[02:10] <dobey> launchpad doesn't work on it though :(
[02:10] <fagan> mandel: I dont think I had a computer by the time netscape finished
[02:11] <fagan> not mandel :/
[02:11] <dobey> finished what?
[02:11] <fagan> monkey: ^
[02:11] <fagan> dobey: well when mozilla started
[02:12] <dobey> fagan: netscape is still around
[02:12] <fagan> dobey: isnt it AOL and its a historical download or something
[02:13] <fagan> Oh I mean the navigator itself I dont have a clue about netscape
[02:13] <monkey> ZOMG, Netscape is going open source!
[02:13] <dobey> aside from having a totally horrible web page, i have no idea what aol is doing with netscape
[02:13] <monkey> I feel like they murdered winamp
[02:13] <dobey> fagan: eh, communicator was around for a long while after mozilla started
[02:13] <monkey> ie: netscape 4
[02:14] <fagan> dobey: never heard of it ::D
[02:14] <dobey> *facepalm*
[02:14]  * fagan is a youngin
[02:15] <fagan> http://netscape.aol.com/ ewwwww
[02:15] <dobey> fagan: navigator/communicator supported ended only about 2.5 years ago; and 9.x; mozilla was started at the end of 4.x
[02:16] <dobey> err, 3 years ago i guess; was looking at wrong date
[02:16] <dobey> anyway
[02:16] <dobey> 3.04 Gold was the pinnacle
[02:16] <fagan> dobey: interesting I thought it finished a lot eariler
[02:17] <fagan> I suppose AOL did some butchering or something to kill it off
[02:18] <dobey> yeah, aol didn't kill it off
[02:18] <dobey> they just sort of let it die
[02:19] <fagan> kinda what AOL do
[02:19] <duanedesign> is their still a script to get a file with the dbus api?
[02:19] <fagan> they are a funny company
[02:21] <monkey> do irc:// links have # in them?
[02:21] <fagan> monkey: id say so
[02:21]  * fagan doesnt use them though
[02:23] <dobey> grr, why is the main us archive server so slow still
[02:23] <monkey> I'm guessing people are still hitting it for natty
[02:23]  * dobey will probably still be downloading updates by the time his flight comes round
[02:24] <monkey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10770852
[02:24] <dobey> and i am on a super fast connection :(
[02:24] <monkey> any suggestions for edits?
[02:24] <fagan> dobey: the ie archive is funny we have 20gbs without enough people to use it
[02:25] <dobey> maybe i should point at it then
[02:25] <monkey> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-select-fastest-mirror-in-ubuntu.html
[02:25] <fagan> dobey: you might get better results
[02:26] <dobey> ugh it's still slow
[02:27] <fagan> dobey: maybe something to do with a node somewhere being hit hard
[02:27] <fagan> you might want to try the other direction and see what happens
[02:27] <fagan> so usw
[02:28] <fagan> the archives should be fine at this time
[02:29] <dobey> i suppose i could just wait until sunday and then use the conference mirror
[02:29] <fagan> dobey: yeah that would be super fast but if you started downloading now it would be done by then :)
[02:30] <fagan> anyway sleep before I get in up for work at 9
[02:31] <dobey> i should probably just set up a mirror
[02:31] <dobey> and use it for all my machines
[02:31] <duanedesign> what does the Preferences Panel use desktopcouch for?
[02:32] <dobey> duanedesign: to toggle which DBs get synchronized
[02:32] <fagan> dobey: do you use landscape?
[02:32] <dobey> no
[02:32] <fagan> dobey: if you have a few machines and since its free you might get some use out of it
[02:33] <fagan> (its free to us I mean)
[02:33] <dobey> i don't use my laptops that much
[02:33] <fagan> ah ok then
[02:34] <fagan> I would use it myself if I had more than my 2 computers
[02:35] <fagan> anyway im off
[02:35] <fagan> night nighyt
[02:37] <duanedesign> cya tomorrow fagan
[02:37] <dobey> i wonder how to use SANE
[02:53] <dobey> writing software is hard.
[03:03] <duanedesign> dobey: you writing something for a scanner?
[03:03] <dobey> yes
[03:04] <dobey> an app to track sales tax on receipts, for writing it off on taxes :)
[03:04] <duanedesign> ahhhh
[03:04] <duanedesign> nice
[03:04] <dobey> so i don't have to keep physical copies around
[03:05] <dobey> just scan a receipt whenever i get one, and it will automatically read the tax and info, and store the info and image in a database
[03:06] <duanedesign> I like that
[03:06] <duanedesign> better then the shoebox I use
[03:07] <dobey> i haven't used it
[03:07] <dobey> but i'm not fond of the camera apps anyway, since they don't have 1200dpi cameras to work from...
[03:10] <mwhudson> dobey: can you hook it up to canonicaladmin? :)
[03:10] <dobey> mwhudson: can you rewrite canonicaladmin? :)
[03:10] <mwhudson> dobey: can i use an axe?
[03:11] <dobey> heh
[03:11] <mwhudson> (and not lotus notes pls)
[03:23] <dobey> alright, well i am off
[08:10] <mandel> morning all!!
[09:04] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:04] <JamesTait> Hello, world!
[09:04] <duanedesign> rye: was reading my RSS feeds this morning and came across this and thought you might find it interesting. http://www.stgraber.org/2011/05/04/state-of-lxc-in-ubuntu-natty/
[09:08] <rye> duanedesign, interesting... very interesting
[09:08] <rye> maybe this time i will finally get at least anything started
[09:08] <rye> duanedesign, thanks!
[09:11] <rye> O_O
[09:11] <rye> duanedesign, all these days
[09:11] <rye> :'-(
[09:12] <rye> duanedesign, all these days my lxc startup was failing BECAUSE I DID NOT CONFIGURE NETWORKING!
[09:21] <duanedesign> ahhhhh
[09:31] <fagan> morning
[09:59] <karni> Good morning!
[09:59] <duanedesign> o/
[10:00] <karni> \o
[10:23] <duanedesign> rye: the other day, after looking at a users pastebin,  you said you thought it was stuck. I think this is this the log? http://paste.ubuntu.com/602208/
[10:24] <rye> duanedesign, erm, not really, don't recall that pastebin
[10:24] <duanedesign> rye: ok :) no worries
[10:24] <rye> or i do
[10:24] <rye> it is unlinking lots of stuff
[10:26] <duanedesign> yeah, I think that was the user that copied his UBuntu One folder and metadata to a new computer
[10:27] <duanedesign> anyway, was just reading some old logs and wanted to make sure their was not something in their I was not seeing :)
[10:35] <karni> duanedesign: yes, that's the one
[11:21]  * fagan break
[11:34] <rye> enabled but greyed out... how can this be displayed in ubuntuone-control-panel?... hmm
[12:27] <fagan> ok its official windows stole my bank card
[12:27] <fagan> my bank runs windows workstation on their machines and it crashed and didnt return my card :/
[12:27] <fagan> so im going to be very hungry for 3-5 working days :(
[12:28] <fagan> (because of windows obviously)
[12:29]  * fagan now knows why mandel_ says puta windows
[12:30] <fagan> the funny thing is they are running windows NT 4 which is made in 1996 so just shows how advanced my bank is
[12:32] <mandel> they must be paying a fortune to ensure that is maintained :)
[12:32] <fagan> mandel: well I would have thought they would be using unix of some sort
[12:33] <fagan> like unix has been around for longer
[12:34] <fagan> Im really thinking about switching banks now after learning how secure my money is
[12:34] <fagan> mandel: and yeah id say they are paying an arm and a leg to keep engineers on it
[12:34] <fagan> but thats how banks work
[12:35] <mandel> fagan: you will find that everywhere, is not the bank, is the people that make the atm points which is diff
[12:35] <mandel> in the server side they probably have unix, is probably due to drivers or something like that
[12:36] <fagan> I dont know, all I know is that I cant access my pay till next week
[12:36]  * mandel goes to walk the dog and be away from pdb for some time
[12:37] <fagan> We probably dont need to have standup right?
[12:37] <fagan> since there are so many away
[12:37] <mandel> no idea
[12:37] <mandel> I;d say we should do it
[12:37] <fagan> Yeah lets not and say we did :P
[12:38]  * fagan looks at mandel's merges since he forgot about them
[12:43] <mandel> I'll be back later
[12:43] <fagan> cool
[12:44] <hrw> hi
[12:44] <fagan> hey hrw
[12:45] <hrw> karni: how goes u1f? any ETA for market?
[12:45] <fagan> hrw: id say soon™
[12:45] <fagan> :)
[12:45] <karni> hrw: will e-mail to the API. no ETA, issues with serverside REST uploads which I started just today
[12:45] <karni> fagan: good one
[12:45] <karni> hrw: /s/API/APK
[12:46] <karni> hrw: sent
[12:46] <hrw> thx
[12:47] <karni> hrw: please uninstall the previous version first.
[12:47] <karni> this is completely new
[12:47] <hrw> ok
[12:51] <hrw> karni: 1.2.60 still? I thought that previous one was also 1.2.60
[12:52] <karni> hrw: ignore that, didn't bump it. majority of the code is new
[12:53] <karni> hrw: I did adress the login screen menu > show welcome message, but don't try unmounting the sdcard ;) I'm still aware of it.
[12:53] <hrw> ok
[12:53]  * karni bumps version to 1.3
[12:54] <fagan> karni: bump it to 6.1 I dare you
[12:54] <karni> fagan: what does "I dare you" mean in this context? /asking purely out of linguistic reasons/
[12:55] <hrw> karni: http://home.haerwu.biz/~hrw/shots/u1f-01.png - should not there be 'select this app as default' checkbox too?
[12:55] <fagan> karni: I dare you to do it
[12:55] <karni> fagan: yes well I would bump it to 2.0 but I believe it'll land on the market as 1.0 anyway ;P
[12:55] <fagan> hah
[12:56] <hrw> karni: is "+" button on top row not enabled?
[12:56] <karni> hrw: brb yes disabled
[12:57] <karni> hrw: I'm back. Have you read the e-mail contents?
[12:58] <karni> hrw: Please do if you have a minute, it says what's ready and what's not :)
[12:58] <hrw> karni: I have a file "Zdjęcie023.jpg" on my U1 account. when I enter u1f it says "last modified mar 03" but attempt to download it ends with "Error: INTERNAL SERVER ERROR" and date changes to "kwi 20". when I tap it I am getting "problem opening file" and date changes back.
[12:58] <karni> hrw: shortly: Uploads, Shares from others, and Settings screen are not ready / not enabled / not available
[12:58] <hrw> will read
[12:59] <karni> hrw: Interesting, I was pretty sure I fixed the encoding. Will replicate.
[13:00] <karni> hrw: also, one person reported their UDFs disappeared from the top list when they browsed back "to the root", let me know if you see your UDFs correctly
[13:00] <hrw> UDF is?
[13:00] <karni> hrw: as for 'select as default', that was intentional, but we can change this
[13:00] <karni> hrw: User Defined Folder, custom folders outside ~/Ubuntu One
[13:00] <karni> hrw: if you have some, these are the sloppy looking entries on the top of the list
[13:01] <hrw> karni: for me directory list looks ok. but when I am in /shots/evo/ I have to remember path cause it is not present on screen
[13:02] <karni> hrw: indeed. this is a medium/low priority at the moment (as long as we don't have uploads and photo sync)
[13:05] <hrw> karni: ok, waiting for uploads support
[13:05] <karni> hrw: should come soon, as long as we land this soon on the server
[13:05] <hrw> karni: my need: being able to use U1 as a backup of few dirs on internal SD
[13:07] <karni> hrw: right. at the moment, our home is /sdcard/u1 so that we don't clutter the users sdcard. but I do understand making some folders from SD card UDFs is what people will want.
[13:09] <karni> hrw: once upload is ready, I'll look into recursive upload for folders and possibility to create UDFs from what you have mentioned. for the time being, we're not doing any file system rescans, that means - if you put something in your ~/Ubuntu One folder manually (i.e. from a PC via USB), U1F will not notice that. so you can imagine this relates as well to your feature request.
[13:09] <karni> hrw: I'm not saying it's hard, I'm just saying this will come with time, not sure wether with the initial release to the market
[13:10] <hrw> fine for me
[13:13] <karni> hrw: Are those directories movable? That is, is it something that you could put under /sdcard/u1 or it's a fixed location? (Don't mind media such as pictures/videos/music, that's a separate feature)
[13:13] <hrw> karni: I can move them
[13:14] <hrw> karni: TitaniumBackup allows to set that. but it also supports Dropbox
[13:14] <karni> hrw: conceptually, if we were to enable auto back-up of any folder on SD card, we could probably move from under /u1 to the root of the SD card with all UDFs and ~/Ubuntu One folder
[13:14] <karni> hrw: I would also, if I was writing a backup app ;)
[13:15] <karni> backup features (SMS, custom folders) are on my mind, but currently not any close to the front of the TODO list
[13:16] <fagan> karni: if yoqu do sms backup I would love you
[13:16] <karni> fagan: I will. And please don't ;)
[13:16] <fagan> karni: hah
[13:17] <fagan> karni: oh and if I could view those SMS messages online it would be even better
[13:17]  * fagan wonders how android stores messages
[13:18] <karni> fagan: That makes me think it would be a separate app which would store them in CouchDB - problem solved
[13:18] <karni> fagan: in a ContentProvider which is backed by an sqlite3 db
[13:18] <fagan> karni: that sounds easy enough to implement then
[13:19] <fagan> sqlite is so awesome
[13:20] <karni> hrw: umm.. from what I see TitaniumBackup "supports Dropbox" in a way that it sends the backup file to it, is that correct?
[13:21] <karni> hrw: if it isn't hardcoded to tie to Dropbox, it will be trivial to send this to U1F which would upload that for you - I believe this would solve the problem of custom folders backup?
[13:37] <fagan> is ralsina online?
[13:42] <fagan> mandel: name your branches better
[13:42] <fagan> :D
[13:52] <hrw> karni: I do not know how TB supports dropbox as not tested this yet. and backup consists lot of files in one dir
[13:53] <dobey> fagan: i doubt ralsina will be generally available today
[13:54] <fagan> dobey: its cool I just wanted to ask him something it can wait
[13:54] <dobey> rodrigo_: ping
[13:54] <dobey> rodrigo_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/603355/ on lucid. i guess that glib doesn't have the boxed type?
[14:01] <thisfred> me?
[14:01] <rodrigo_> dobey: looking
[14:02] <rodrigo_> dobey: hmm, yes, I guess it doesn't have the macro
[14:02] <dobey> rodrigo_: you are going to UDS, right?
[14:03] <rodrigo_> dobey: yes, on Sunday
[14:03] <fagan> thisfred: we arent going to do standup :)
[14:03] <thisfred> kk
[14:04] <dobey> rodrigo_: cool.
[14:04] <dobey> rodrigo_: should we just stop building on lucid, or fix this?
[14:04] <rodrigo_> dobey: I guess we could add a patch to the lucid build, if that's possible
[14:05] <rodrigo_> or yes, stop building on lucid
[14:05] <fagan> mandel: I approved your branches if you have any more just honk
[14:05] <dobey> i'll just stop building it then; we use the same package branch for all ubuntu versions in nightlies
[14:06] <alecu> fagan, every time you say h-onk, my irc client beeps
[14:06] <fagan> alecu: hah why?
[14:06] <dobey> alecu: you should fix it to play an mp3 of a honking sound
[14:06] <alecu> dobey, good idea!
[14:06] <dobey> speaking of alecu, i need to watch this dvd already
[14:07]  * fagan has to go afk for 30 mins brb
[14:07] <alecu> fagan, I've added honk to the list of strings that trigger the beep (everybody, hey all)
[14:07] <alecu> fagan, because "honk" used to be the word to ask for help in this channel.
[14:07] <mandel> me
[14:08] <dobey> mandel: no standup
[14:08] <alecu> fine by me!
[14:08] <mandel> ok
[14:09] <mandel> fagan: what is wrong with the names?
[14:10] <rye> alecu, fagan, heh, me too :)
[14:12] <karni> hrw: ok, thanks
[14:14] <alecu> rye, "Regards, Roman Empire" ??? :-)
[14:17] <dobey> mandel: they have underscores
[14:17] <mandel> dobey: and?
[14:17] <dobey> mandel: underscores suck
[14:18] <mandel> that is what she said
[14:18] <dobey> yes. yes it is.
[14:19] <dobey> also, no weekly meeting today
[14:19] <dobey> i think
[14:19] <mandel> makes sense
[14:20] <mandel> dobey: if it is a MAYOR pain in the ass for you that I use _ I can change, I have no char sep preference
[14:21] <fagan> mandel: the only difference between 2 branches was an s at the end of one
[14:21] <dobey> i really don't care
[14:21] <fagan> I almost reviewed the one I already looked at
[14:21] <mandel> fagan: really? may I know which ones?
[14:22] <fagan> sec
[14:23] <fagan> mandel: fix_signal_emition fix_signals_emition
[14:23] <fagan> the _ are fine in it though I like that myself
[14:23] <fagan> well they were stacked against different projects so it only mattered on my machine
[14:23] <fagan> since I had both branches in the same folder
[14:24] <mandel> fagan: so it your fault, you can do bzr branch lp:blah ubuntuone_client_blah
[14:24] <fagan> mandel: the branch was fine it was just the cd got confused because the names were so similar thats what I meant
[14:24] <fagan> so its your fault :)
[14:25] <fagan> Instead of fix you could use amend or something :P
[14:25] <mandel> meh
[14:26] <dobey> fagan: it's your fault, because your environment is organized poorly :)
[14:26] <fagan> dobey: hah its a VM my organisation is deleting the branches after I test them
[14:27] <fagan> anyway have to try get money out of my bank without a card
[14:27]  * fagan takes some guns just in case
[14:27] <dobey> the history of baseball in northern ireland
[14:28] <fagan> dobey: we have baseball in Ireland????? :/
[14:28] <fagan> news to me
[14:28]  * fagan afk
[14:29] <mandel> guys, do you know how I can make pdb execute a multiline step expression?
[14:30] <dobey> fagan: http://cafe.comebackalive.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15357&start=15
[14:39] <pedronis> mandel, not easy, what you can do is start a sub interactive repl
[14:41] <mandel> pedronis: oh, teach me please! a mean if you have time or have a pointer to something to read :)
[14:42] <pedronis> mandel: import code; code.interact(local=locals())
[14:42] <pedronis> at the pdb prompt will give you an interactive python shell with the current (in pdb) locals
[14:43] <mandel> pedronis: just like that?
[14:43] <pedronis> mandel, http://docs.python.org/library/code.html is the doc for that
[14:43] <pedronis> mandel, yes
[14:44] <mandel> pedronis: great thx a lot !
[14:57] <fagan> awh interesting dobey soo its nothing to do with baseball
[14:57] <fagan> mandel: if you have no merges for me ill go and order my books
[14:57] <fagan> last chance for suggestions
[14:58] <fagan> My bank robbery worked :D
[15:01] <dobey> yay i can use my u820 again, even if the video is crappy and slow
[15:01] <fagan> u820?
[15:01]  * fagan only knows UB40
[15:06] <thisfred> u820 is 410 times better than U2
[15:07] <fagan> :/ damn pounds I cant tell exactly how much its going to cost in euro
[15:07] <fagan> ill have to wait
[15:07] <fagan> I walked a long way today
[15:08] <fagan> thisfred: take that back u2 are a the greatest rock band in the world and they are from Ireland so that makes them the biggest musical act in the world
[15:08] <fagan> :P
[15:09] <thisfred> I will do no such thing, but I'm willing to let it go now, before things turn ugly ;)
[15:10] <thisfred> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6gPSSYxex0
[15:11] <thisfred> that's the letter U and the numeral 2
[15:14] <dobey> u2 is a rock band?
[15:14] <thisfred> these guys are from england
[15:14] <fagan> dobey: well in the classic sense of the world
[15:15]  * fagan slaps thisfred
[15:15] <thisfred> :)
[15:15] <dobey> not really
[15:15] <thisfred> dobey see the negativland song ^^
[15:15] <dobey> they're 80s boy band
[15:15] <dobey> thisfred: i did
[15:16] <fagan> They should do that song with that guy who rages on his fox news programme
[15:16] <dobey> "Your trip to Budapest, Hungary is about to begin"
[15:16]  * fagan cant remember his name
[15:16] <thisfred> bill o'reilly?
[15:16] <fagan> thisfred: yeah
[15:17] <thisfred> I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Kasem is funnier
[15:18] <fagan> thisfred: never heard of him
[15:18] <fagan> the only american personality I know is ryan seacreast
[15:18] <fagan> :D
[15:18]  * fagan trolling
[15:20] <dobey> you know him personally?
[15:21] <fagan> dobey: very peronally :D
[15:21] <fagan> s/peronally/personally
[15:43] <fagan> its a real shame no one uses apturl that much
[15:47] <dobey> fagan: what do you mean?
[15:47] <fagan> dobey: well ive only seen good use of aptul on my website once and one other websie
[15:47] <fagan> *website
[15:48] <dobey> what is "good use of apturl" ?
[15:48] <fagan> dobey: support and suggesting good programs from the archive on a blog..etc
[15:48] <fagan> dobey: support is the best use really
[15:49] <dobey> so blog about it
[15:49] <dobey> go fix up all the wiki pages to use it where they say "apt-get install xxx"
[15:49] <fagan> dobey: did before and I suppose you can use apt.ubuntu.com
[15:49] <fagan> which the developer poral is using
[15:49] <fagan> *portal
[15:49]  * fagan cant type today
[15:50] <fagan> the only problem with the apt.ubuntu.com site is its broken and no one knows who owns it to fix it
[15:51] <fagan> so the developer.ubuntu.com has a load of links just say your not on Ubuntu :)
[15:51] <fagan> anyhow ill get back to what I was doing and stop complaining :)
[15:55] <fagan> wow converting music on a msi wind is a bad idea
[16:13] <fagan> alecu: I dont have friday time like you guys but if you want help with that games thing I can give some good advice since I do it a lot
[16:14]  * fagan has just about every good linux game available at the moment
[16:16] <dobey> lies
[16:16] <rye> fagan, that site is broken if you are not running firefox with ubufox extension
[16:16] <dobey> i wonder how well steam works on linux
[16:17] <fagan> dobey: well they apparently have it working internally
[16:17] <fagan> dobey: and id tend to believe that they are holding back for more people on the platform
[16:18] <fagan> rye: oh
[16:20] <rye> fagan, actually, apt.ubuntu.com does nothing except of being apt.ubuntu.com :)
[16:21] <fagan> rye: then why did they use it for developer.ubuntu.com?
[16:22] <rye> fagan, hmmm
[16:22] <dobey> fagan: i mean under wine, not native
[16:22] <rye> fagan, probably it is not _that_ simple as I have thought
[16:22] <fagan> dobey: im pretty sure it works in wine
[16:22] <rye> fagan, no, http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/bash - works
[16:23] <fagan> rye: oh they must have fixed it
[16:23] <rye> fagan, refresh:5; url=apt://bash
[16:23] <rye> fagan, it just redirects to apt:// something
[16:23] <fagan> rye: ahhhh so it just makes sure they are running ubuntu then gives the apt link rather than confusing people
[16:23] <fagan> thats nice
[16:26] <dobey> well there is a uds session about having the 'app store' accessible on the web
[16:26] <dobey> if that's what you were looking for
[16:26] <fagan> dobey: that sounds cool but what would it do for users?
[16:27] <xharx> i installed ubuntu one under xubuntu and don't know how to start the program
[16:27] <xharx> i have nothing in the menu
[16:30] <dobey> fagan: have a nice browsable index of everything in ubuntu? and the links would open software center itself for install/payment?
[16:30] <dobey> xharx: 11.04?
[16:32] <xharx> dobey, yes
[16:33] <fagan> dobey: I suppose thats cool
[16:38] <dobey> xharx: did you install ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk?
[16:38] <dobey> fagan: i guess i'm not sure what you were expecting from apt.ubuntu.com
[16:38] <fagan> dobey: I just want it to do what its doing but look like it wasnt created in 10 mins
[16:40] <dobey> lunch time
[16:40] <dobey> xharx: if you install that, u1 should appear wherever preferences are shown in xfce
[16:40] <dobey> bbiab
[16:41] <xharx> dobey, apt-get install says, i have not installed it. install?
[16:42] <xharx> i used a german wiki to install ubuntuone
[16:57] <mandel> xharx: I'll pick it up from here since dobey is at lunch
[16:57] <mandel> xharx: do install the control panel so that you can see the progress etc
[16:58] <mandel> is that what you are looking for?
[16:59] <xharx> most likely :)
[16:59] <xharx> im confused, because i did everything like in the wiki
[17:11] <fagan> EOD
[17:18] <xharx> ubuntuone runs now on my machine, thx
[17:33] <dobey> i wonder if the wiki perhaps needs updating
[18:47] <dobey> la la la
[18:53] <Escalion> hey guys
[18:53] <Escalion> Any developers here?
[18:54] <CardinalFang> Probably.
[18:54] <Escalion> Fair enough.
[18:54] <Escalion> I'm looking to ask someone if there is an undocumented API
[18:55] <Escalion> I'm planning on making a application that syncs with notes for a few different platforms
[18:55] <Escalion> But I can't find a API...
[18:56] <Escalion> nobody?
[18:57] <CardinalFang> Escalion, for notes, use the Snowy API.
[18:58] <CardinalFang> Wow.
[18:59] <dobey> heh
[19:03] <thisfred> I guess it's not the world's nicest API ;)
[19:03] <CardinalFang> That guy seemed like he'd be fun to work with.  Too bad.
[19:09] <leo> Hello ... Installed Gnome3 from PPA and I can't login to Ubuntuone ..
[19:11] <leo> according to launchpad bug 745540 is fixed but I can't login
[19:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745540 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Method "CreateItem" with signature "a{sv}(oayay)b" on interface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist (affects: 11) (heat: 146)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745540
[19:14] <fagan> leo: its fixed in the dailies I think but I dont know if that was pushed out as an update yet
[19:14] <fagan> dobey: ^
[19:14] <leo> fagan: Great so just matter of wait ..  Thank you
[19:14]  * fagan remembers testing the branch
[19:15] <fagan> leo: no problem
[19:18] <dobey> it's not exactly fixed. that specific issue is resolved in trunk, but there are others to deal with
[22:33] <dobey> later all
[23:34] <TrentonDAdams> I started syncing to the tomboy server yesterday at home, with Ubuntu 11.04.  I started syncing here at work today, with the same account, and now tomboy crashed, and won't start backup.
[23:36] <TrentonDAdams> cancel that, it's now working.