[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <mitya57> good morning!
[08:00] <dholbach> hi mitya57
[16:18] <directhex> so, what's the easy way to turn a .xpi into a package?
[16:23] <cjwatson> directhex: mozilla-devscripts has some tools for dealing with .xpi files
[16:23] <cjwatson> if that helps
[16:23] <directhex> cjwatson, just found their wiki page
[16:52] <directhex> aha, had to beat xpi-pack with a stick
[17:45] <obounaim> Are quilt patches reapplied after a merge?
[17:47] <paco1> hello masters!
[17:47] <paco1> i'm creating a package for myself, and i have a question: how to create user during packaging?
[17:47] <paco1> thanks!
[19:45] <jtaylor> you do that in postinst scripts
[19:49] <jtaylor> not sure if its a good example, but apt-cacher-ng adds a user
[20:14] <paco1> jtaylor: ok, thanks for the exemple. I'm going to the source package
[23:32] <xnox> tumbleweed: thank you very much! you rock =))))


[05:12] <mborzecki> morning
[06:03] <mborzecki> mvo: hi, there's a typo in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8822 that static checks choke on
[06:03] <mup> PR #8822: release: 2.45.1 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8822>
[06:05] <mvo> mborzecki: meh, ok
[06:05] <mvo> mborzecki: thank you, will fix
[06:12] <zyga> hey guys
[06:29] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:29] <zyga> hey
[06:29] <mborzecki> zyga: how is your back?
[06:29] <zyga> thinking about how to say it
[06:29] <zyga> f*** uP?
[06:30] <zyga> not good for sure
[06:31] <mborzecki> zyga: sad to hear that
[06:39] <mvo> hey zyga - good morning
[06:39] <zyga> hey mvo
[07:03] <pstolowski> morning
[07:09] <mvo> hey pstolowski - good morning
[07:23] <mup> PR snapd#8804 closed: tests: port xdg-settings test to tests.session <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8804>
[07:23] <mup> PR snapd#8815 closed: tests: port snap-handle-link test to tests.session <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8815>
[07:32] <zyga> thanks mvo!
[07:32] <mvo> zyga: thank *you*
[07:40] <zyga> mvo: MRI on Wednesday at 15:00
[07:40] <zyga> so before then I'm working from bed
[07:41] <mvo> zyga: ok
[07:43] <mup> PR snapd#8825 opened: tests: move a few more tests to snapstate_install_test <Test Robustness> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8825>
[07:44] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8826
[07:44] <mup> PR #8826: tests: assorted small patches <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8826>
[07:47] <zyga> pstolowski: +1
[07:48] <zyga> heh
[07:48] <mup> PR snapd#8826 opened: tests: assorted small patches <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8826>
[07:48] <zyga> I've seen so many tasks that never get a ping back from travis
[07:48] <zyga> mvo: perhaps it is time to drop travis from the "required" list?
[07:49] <zyga> the only thing left is the CLA check
[07:50] <pstolowski> zyga: ty!
[07:50] <mvo> zyga: I guess we could remove it totally, yes?
[07:51] <zyga> mvo: I would keep it for a while because IIRC mborzecki wanted to do some changes to the CLA checker
[07:51] <mborzecki> anyone remember whether time-control only works if you use timedatectl?
[07:51] <zyga> and having a 2nd guess would be better
[07:51] <zyga> mborzecki: as in the interface?
[07:51] <zyga> mborzecki: let me look
[07:52] <zyga> mborzecki: it's literally defined as such but perhaps that's a bit too tight
[07:53] <zyga> mborzecki: what kind of extra permissions do you think it should grant?
[07:54] <mborzecki> zyga: there's https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/access-to-bin-date-in-strict-confinement/18041 but the reporter gets EPERM (so likely not caused by AA)
[07:55] <zyga> mmm
[07:55] <zyga> how does date set time
[07:55] <zyga> clock_settime or something like that?
[07:55] <mborzecki> zyga: strace tells met it's clock_settime
[07:56] <zyga> so a seccomp filter is probably what needs changing
[07:56] <zyga> IMO it's sensible
[07:56] <mborzecki> yup
[07:57] <mborzecki> ok, let me open a PR and mark it for security review
[07:58] <zyga> thanks
[07:58] <zyga> maybe tweak the spread test in the PR as well
[07:58] <zyga> I think we have one
[08:20] <zyga> mvo: there was a question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1881350 and release to groovy
[08:20] <mup> Bug #1881350: snap seeding fails with libc6-lse <snapd:Fix Committed by zyga> <glibc (Ubuntu):New> <snapd (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881350>
[08:20] <zyga> do you think it's better to do 2.45.1 or just a distro patch?
[08:23] <pedronis> pstolowski: mborzecki: hi, when you have time, could you re-review #8702 (it follows my suggestions, I think, now)
[08:23] <mup> PR #8702: overlord/configstate: add system.kernel.printk.console-loglevel option <Created by EthanHsieh> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8702>
[08:23] <mborzecki> pedronis: sure, will do
[08:23] <pstolowski> pedronis: sure
[08:23] <pedronis> thx
[08:23] <mvo> zyga: I uploaded to groovy already
[08:24] <zyga> ah, fantastic
[08:24] <mvo> zyga: and it's there already (i.e. autopkgtest passed)
[09:10] <zyga> mvo: my daughter doesn't recognize me :)
[09:10] <zyga> mvo: she's scared when she sees me now
[09:11] <mvo> zyga: haha - oh boy
[09:11] <mvo> zyga: but you *do look different'
[09:12] <mborzecki> zyga: shaved your beard?
[09:12] <zyga> yep
[09:19] <mborzecki> so we no longer poke jamie, but rather set 'needs security review' tag?
[09:20] <mborzecki> zyga: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8827
[09:20] <mup> PR #8827:  interfaces/builtin/time-control: allow POSIX clock API <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8827>
[09:20] <zyga> mborzecki: yes
[09:21] <zyga> done
[09:21] <zyga> mborzecki: any weird things happen when you change the time?
[09:21] <zyga> perhaps that test should be invoked via a time namespace?
[09:22] <zyga> just to make sure it affects the system less
[09:24] <mup> PR snapd#8827 opened:  interfaces/builtin/time-control: allow POSIX clock API <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8827>
[09:24] <mborzecki> zyga: it gets restored in the test, the ntp should slowly update the clock
[09:24] <mborzecki> zyga: btw. do any of the systems have a kernel that supports time ns already?
[09:24] <zyga> mborzecki: yeah, I think 20.04+ should be fine
[09:24] <mborzecki> iirc it's in 5.6
[09:24] <zyga> it was a added a while ago
[09:24] <zyga> or maybe I read the patch a while ago :D
[09:25] <mborzecki> it's automatically a part of new uts ns right?
[09:26] <pedronis> mborzecki: mmh, that PR is not using the file I thought it should use
[09:27] <zyga> mborzecki: no, I don’t think it is
[09:27] <mborzecki> pedronis: 99-snapd.conf?
[09:27] <zyga> Uts is a separate ns
[09:27] <pedronis> mborzecki: yes, actually the code is confusing
[09:27] <pedronis> why is it mentioning 10-console-messages.conf
[09:27] <pedronis> I see it has both
[09:28] <pedronis> I asked a question there now
[09:28] <mborzecki> zyga: https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_5.6#Time_Namespaces hmm my version if unshare is unaware of CLONE_NEWTIME
[09:29] <pedronis> mborzecki: I'm not sure why it bothers with 10-console-messages.conf at al
[09:29] <pedronis> it should just write an empty 99-snapd.conf, no?
[09:29] <pedronis> or remove it
[09:29] <mborzecki> pedronis: aiui it reloads the old/default setting
[09:29] <mborzecki> so it's applied now, rather than on the next reboot
[09:32] <pedronis> I see, feels fragile
[09:32] <pedronis> maybe we should just sysctl --system all the time
[09:33] <pedronis> if there's a change
[09:34] <pedronis> mborzecki: I commented about that
[09:34] <mborzecki> pedronis: hm yes, that's an option, i think one could argue if you tweak something at runtime, it could get overwritten
[09:36] <pedronis> mvo: what's the state of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1867415 ?
[09:36] <mup> Bug #1867415: Hardlinking snaps wastes 400 MB tmpfs RAM in live CDs <rls-ff-incoming> <snapd:New for mvo> <snapd (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1867415>
[09:39] <mvo> pedronis: this is fixed, let me update the bug
[09:40] <mvo> pedronis: oh, let me see, someone claims it's not
[09:40] <pedronis> mvo: yes, exactly, that's why I'm asking
[09:40] <mvo> pedronis: I will try to reproduce now
[09:41]  * mvo is downloading
[09:54] <mup> PR snapd#8828 opened: tests: clean up up the use of configcoreSuite in the configcore tests <Test Robustness> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8828>
[09:56] <abeato> tianon, hey, are all interfaces used by the docker snap actually needed? I was looking into a way to restrict what the snap can do
[09:56] <zyga> is the store under load?
[09:56] <zyga> error: cannot get snap sections: cannot sections: got unexpected HTTP status code 403 via GET to "https://api.snapcraft.io/api/v1/snaps/sections"
[09:57] <zyga> pedronis, mborzecki: tracking broken out as a separate PR https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8829
[09:57] <mup> PR #8829: sandbox/cgroup: add tracking helpers <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8829>
[09:58] <zyga> I chose to bundle ConfirmSystemdServiceTracking in the same PR as that function itself is tiny and completes the picture as to how this is meant to be used
[09:58] <zyga> this is half of the large PR now and contains really just the logic to create a transient scope, along with unit tests
[09:58] <zyga> I didn't add the spread tests as those would pull in virtually everything from the original
[09:59] <mup> PR snapd#8829 opened: sandbox/cgroup: add tracking helpers <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8829>
[10:01] <zyga> the design was reviewed by jamie and he gave a +1 on the original PR
[10:03] <pedronis> zyga: mvo: this has a lot of back and forth by you but no priority or status != new: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1873004
[10:03] <mup> Bug #1873004: lxd interaction blocked until snapd was restarted <lxd (Ubuntu):New> <snapd (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873004>
[10:04] <zyga> pedronis: yes, I think this is a duplicate of an existing issue that was investigated but not fixed earlier
[10:04] <zyga> pedronis: I will look at launchpad to find the other report
[10:04] <zyga> pedronis: it _looks_ like snapd starts before we mount snaps, and if core is mounted after snapd, this will happen
[10:04] <zyga> (no interfaces)
[10:05] <zyga> ah wait
[10:05] <zyga> wrong bug
[10:05] <mvo> oh, is that a dupe of the one andy had on friday ?
[10:05] <zyga> I looked at the other tap
[10:05] <zyga> *tab
[10:05] <zyga> no no, sorry let me read the correct link
[10:06] <zyga> hmm
[10:10] <zyga> hmm
[10:11] <zyga> mvo: I don't have any more ideas for that bug
[10:12] <zyga> the frequency seems to suggest it is related to core reloading
[10:12] <zyga> er, refreshing
[10:18] <pedronis> mborzecki: bit confused by the rename to UpdateBootScript, not sure how it helps with confusion with InstallBootConfig
[10:29]  * zyga prepares the next segment
[10:38]  * zyga takes a break from writing and reads https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8675/files
[10:38] <mup> PR #8675: osutil: add disks pkg for associating mountpoints with disks/partitions <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8675>
[10:44] <mborzecki> pedronis: i'm thinking about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8775#discussion_r434505499 bot end up named grub.cfg, so maybe grub.cfg and recovery/grub.cfg?
[10:44] <mup> PR #8775: [RFC] bootloader, boot: boot scripts, edition <Needs Samuele review> <UC20> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8775>
[10:45] <pedronis> mborzecki: should we have a chat before the standup about the grub scripts?
[10:45] <mborzecki> pedronis: now or later?
[10:46] <pedronis> mborzecki: can do in 5 min?
[10:46] <mborzecki> pedronis: sounds fine
[10:53] <pedronis> mborzecki: going to the standup
[10:54]  * mvo hugs pstolowski for 8828
[11:14] <pstolowski> mvo: thanks for the review & suggestions!
[11:21]  * zyga needs a break
[11:21] <zyga> man, you have kids and they are at home
[11:21] <zyga> but when *everyone* just comes to the same room
[11:21] <zyga> and the dog too
[11:21] <zyga> and then everyone starts moving
[11:21] <zyga> it's a bit too much
[11:34] <pedronis> zyga: I commented/asked some question in #8573
[11:34] <mup> PR #8573: overlord/snapstate: inhibit startup while unlinked <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8573>
[11:39] <mup> PR snapd#8830 opened: bootloader: introduce bootloarder assets, import grub.cfg with an edition marker <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8830>
[11:43] <zyga> Thank you!
[11:44] <mup> PR snapd#8831 opened: tests: use configcoreSuite in journalSuite and remove some duplicated code <Test Robustness> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8831>
[11:53] <pedronis> pstolowski: I did a pass on #8812
[11:53] <mup> PR #8812: o/snapstate: service-control task handler (4/N) <Needs Samuele review> <Services ⚙> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8812>
[11:53] <pstolowski> pedronis: great, thank you!
[11:53] <pedronis> some high-level questions/comments
[11:54] <mup> PR snapd#8722 closed: tests: check that host settings like hostname are settable on core <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8722>
[11:57] <pedronis> zyga: does #8829 need a security review?
[11:57] <mup> PR #8829: sandbox/cgroup: add tracking helpers <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8829>
[11:57] <zyga> pedronis: I think jamie could indicate if he needs to review it again but my understanding it he gave this a +1 already
[11:57] <zyga> if he has the time for a quick look to decide if a deeper look is necessary
[11:57] <zyga> that would be okay
[11:57] <zyga> jdstrand: ^
[11:59] <mup> PR snapd#8832 opened: travis.yml: removed, all our checks run in GH actions now <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8832>
[12:11] <clmsy> is it possible to try core20 out without updating kernel or its a no go
[12:12] <clmsy> i set the gadget to use 20 and left the kernel snap 4.4.x (core16 kernel) i guess its normal that i cant use to build an image this way
[12:22] <pedronis> clmsy: core20 needs a new model assertion syntax and new initramfs, because of  the latter an old kernel will not work as is
[12:27] <clmsy> thx pedronis!
[12:34] <ogra> popey, gitea just exploded in my face ... seems it sets a versioned SNAP_USER_DATA everywhere in its app.ini instead of using the /current link so after an update it cant access its data anymore ...
[12:37] <ogra> (fixing app.ini manually to use the symlink everywhere foxes the app and it starts again)
[12:37] <ogra> *fixes
[12:43] <zyga> uh
[12:53] <pedronis> zyga: dbusutil/dbustest/stug.bo needs a blankline before package  atm the copyright is the doc comment of the package
[12:53] <zyga> ah, thanks
[12:53] <zyga> I didn't check that
[12:54] <pedronis> I have a check, but it's a bit hacky, maybe we should add to run-checks anyway
[12:54] <pedronis> mborzecki: I did a pass on #8830, mostly naming
[12:54] <mup> PR #8830: bootloader: introduce bootloarder assets, import grub.cfg with an edition marker <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8830>
[12:54] <mborzecki> pedronis: thanks!
[13:22] <popey> ogra i am on vacation, do feel free to provide feedback upstream (which publishes the snap)
[13:25] <mup> PR snapd#8833 opened: sandbox/cgroup: remove redundant pathOfProcPidCgroup <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8833>
[13:27] <ogra> popey, will do, thanks ... enjoy your vac.
[13:30] <mup> PR snapd#8834 opened: dbusutil/dbustest: add separate license from package <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8834>
[13:40] <cachio> mvo, I created a PR for skip
[13:40] <cachio> #8835
[13:40] <mup> PR #8835: POC:  skip binary to stip tests in an easy way <Proof of concept> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8835>
[13:41] <mvo> cachio: thank you! looking now
[13:41] <cachio> mvo, this is to address this https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/72
[13:41] <mup> PR spread#72: Run condition <Blocked> <Reviewed> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/72>
[13:43] <mborzecki> pedronis: cmatsuoka: i can take a look at making some of the exported gadget code private tomorrow morning
[13:44] <mborzecki> the updaters, device lookup, filesystem image cuold all be private
[13:45] <mup> PR snapd#8835 opened: POC:  skip binary to stip tests in an easy way <Proof of concept> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8835>
[13:45] <mborzecki> we did not agree on what to do with the code what was introduced for the tool that could build images, or did we?
[13:45] <cmatsuoka> mborzecki: ack, thanks!
[13:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#3164 closed: cli: remove enable-ci command <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3164>
[14:00] <mup> PR snapd#8836 opened: sandbox/cgroup: add tests for ParsePids <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8836>
[14:19] <zyga> hmmm
[14:19] <zyga> not that many spread tests are in flight
[14:19] <zyga> mvo: I wonder if it would help if we also ran unit tests in self-hosted runners
[14:20] <zyga> after all, the worker is really mostly idle apart from waiting for network IO from spread
[14:20] <mvo> zyga: works for me
[14:20] <zyga> mvo: I somewhat worry about RAM usage though, not sure how much our test suite takes
[14:20]  * zyga checks
[14:20] <zyga> mvo: I'll experiment with some PRs later
[14:21] <zyga> mvo: I think now we're waiting for unit tests to pass to run spread and have more spread capacity than unit test capacity
[14:21] <mvo> zyga: yeah, makes sense
[14:22] <zyga> hmm, actually, my view was stale 32 spread jobs in flight
[14:22] <zyga> so perhaps that would not win much
[14:22] <zyga> exactly at capacity
[14:41]  * zyga breaks for lunch
[14:44] <pedronis> mborzecki: I commented on the name of the assets get function again
[14:49] <mborzecki> nice, i like assets.Internal
[14:50] <mup> PR snapd#8398 closed: usersession/userd: add "slack" to the white list of URL schemes handled by xdg-open <Created by troyready> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8398>
[14:50] <mup> PR snapd#8800 closed: usersession/userd: add "slack" to the white list of URL schemes handled by xdg-open - 2.45 <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8800>
[14:56] <zyga> mborzecki: what is the word "edition" used for, is it like "version"?
[14:57] <mborzecki> zyga: yeah, in the same feel as edition in gadget.yaml
[14:57] <zyga> ah
[14:57] <zyga> I forgot we have that
[15:07] <ijohnson> zyga: what versions of opensuse would you say are supported by snapd?
[15:07] <zyga> 15.1 and tumbleweed
[15:07] <zyga> but .45 is not out there yet as I had issues with auth
[15:08] <zyga> (the package is ready for a while, I just need to return to it)
[15:09] <jdstrand> zyga: with PR 8829, is that broken out from PR 7825 unmodified? if so and you didn't change anything (significant, ie, algorithm or implementation-wise) in this part of the code, then I don't need to re-review
[15:09] <mup> PR #8829: sandbox/cgroup: add tracking helpers <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8829>
[15:09] <mup> PR #7825: many: use transient scope for tracking apps and hooks <Needs security review> <Security-High> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7825>
[15:09] <zyga> jdstrand: there are way more tests
[15:09] <jdstrand> tests are great :)
[15:09] <jdstrand> others can review those
[15:10] <jdstrand> variable renames, equivalent/simple refactoring, also not needed in this go code
[15:10] <zyga> jdstrand: and there's a new helper that checks for the cgroup of a service (using an existing helper but technically the function is new) - it is on line https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8829/files#diff-4706d268ffa8aa3999d09cac05b3ced2R110
[15:10] <mup> PR #8829: sandbox/cgroup: add tracking helpers <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8829>
[15:10] <jdstrand> s/not needed/don't need a security review/
[15:11] <zyga> you may want to eye that if you want, I included it here because in all cases we call either the new CreateTransientScope or the new ConfirmSystemdServiceTracking
[15:11] <jdstrand> that function is fine and using a reviewed-already api
[15:11] <jdstrand> zyga: well, if you feel that my cursory glance missed something and you want me to review, please add the needs security review tag
[15:12] <zyga> jdstrand: I think this is okay, I really don't think there's anything security related here
[15:12] <zyga> and there's no new design
[15:12] <zyga> just broken out code
[15:12] <zyga> tests
[15:12] <zyga> and some moving around to different packages to fit the structure better
[15:12] <jdstrand> yeah, that is what it looked like
[15:13] <jdstrand> I mean, yes, we need to have the design and code for this feature reviewed, but we did that extensively in PR 7825
[15:13] <mup> PR #7825: many: use transient scope for tracking apps and hooks <Needs security review> <Security-High> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7825>
[15:13] <zyga> yes, this is my understanding as well
[15:35] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8830#pullrequestreview-426362895
[15:35] <mup> PR #8830: bootloader: introduce bootloarder assets, import grub.cfg with an edition marker <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8830>
[15:40] <zyga> man I was up for like 30 seconds
[15:40] <zyga> and it hurts for a few minutes now
[15:41] <roadmr> ouch zyga  :(
[15:41] <zyga> yeah, this is not a good time
[15:41] <mup> PR snapcraft#3162 closed: tests: remove scenario usage from lifecycle order <maintenance> <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3162>
[15:41] <mup> PR snapcraft#3163 closed: cli: remove the hidden inspect command <maintenance> <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3163>
[15:45]  * cachio lunch
[16:05] <pedronis> zyga: I wrote a quick mail about /usr/lib/snapd
[16:05] <zyga> pedronis: checking
[16:08] <zyga> pedronis: I like this a lot
[16:08] <zyga> let me think a little about it and draft something for tomorrow
[16:21]  * zyga goes to rest for a while, putting the laptop away
[16:30] <mup> PR snapd#8827 closed:  interfaces/builtin/time-control: allow POSIX clock API <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8827>
[16:35] <Saviq> anyone else seeing snaps unstable on travis today? I'm getting a lot of failed lxd snap installs…
[16:42] <tianon> abeato: I guess that depends on what you want to "lock down" -- "privileged", "home", and "removable-media" are definitely optional, but the others are all related to core functionality of Docker you'd have to go out of your way to not use IIRC
[16:43] <zyga> Saviq: we actually moved away from travis *today*
[16:43] <abeato> tianon, I actually tried removing "privileged", but get into some problems when starting dockerd
[16:44] <abeato> it was some permission for sysfs
[16:44] <Saviq> zyga: lucky
[16:44] <zyga> Saviq: maybe store load?
[16:45] <Saviq> could be, there's very little info on what went wrong, suggesting to look at the journal…
[16:45] <tianon> abeato: ahh, I can reproduce -- that's definitely related to the mitigations in 19.03.11 for CVE-2020-13401 (open /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/docker0/accept_ra: permission denied)
[16:46] <abeato> tianon, yeah, it was that
[16:46] <tianon> abeato: that one's technically something that has to be updated in the snapd "docker-support" profiles, IIRC (not something we can fix in the Docker snap directly, AFAIK)
[16:47] <abeato> tianon, I see, is it something that will be fixed eventually?
[16:50] <ijohnson> tianon: o/
[16:50] <ijohnson> tianon: I am just now running into the same issue for `/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/docker0/accept_ra`
[16:50] <tianon> abeato: I *think* it'll require a PR to https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/269ced7c4f31bbd912f73cba822f522244da16d5/interfaces/builtin/docker_support.go, since the denial is likely apparmor
[16:50] <ijohnson> tianon: is the right fix to just allow that in the policy?
[16:50] <tianon> :D
[16:51] <tianon> yeah
[16:51] <ijohnson> ok, let me see maybe the docker snap should just be using network-control instead?
[16:51] <tianon> it has that already, doesn't it?
[16:51] <ijohnson> I don't remember if network-control provides for that access or not
[16:51] <tianon> ah, it has network and network-bind but not network-control
[16:52] <ijohnson> tianon: yeah I think network-control should give access to that sysfs thing
[16:52] <tianon> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/269ced7c4f31bbd912f73cba822f522244da16d5/interfaces/builtin/network_control.go#L84-L93 it does appear so :)
[16:52] <ijohnson> tianon: you will need to add network-control to the plugs for dockerd, then we will probably need to get the assertion for the docker snap updated to allow auto-connection of network-control
[16:53] <ijohnson> tianon: can you start a new forum topic on forum.snapcraft.io about granting network-control to the docker snap and ping jdstrand ?
[16:53] <tianon> sure thing :)
[16:53] <ijohnson> thanks tianon
[16:54] <abeato> tianon, ijohnson thanks
[16:55] <mup> PR snapd#8834 closed: dbusutil/dbustest: separate license from package <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8834>
[16:56] <ijohnson> tianon: fyi I just finished testing adding the network-control interface to the docker snap locally and it fixed that issue so that should be all that's needed, we shouldn't need interface changes to docker-support I think
[16:56] <ijohnson> tianon: but let's see how the forum topic goes
[16:56] <tianon> nice :D
[16:58] <tianon> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/auto-connect-docker-to-network-control/18054?u=tianon :)
[17:02] <ijohnson> tianon: great, and just to be clear the docker snap does allow capability net_raw in the apparmor policy, so I think it is theoretically possible for that CVE to affect the snap
[17:02] <ijohnson> tianon: though I'm not sure how well the docker snap supports specifying different capability sets for the container
[17:02]  * ijohnson has never tried it
[17:03] <tianon> ijohnson: yeah, the snap is absolutely affected by that CVE -- not sure if it goes all the way to the host level, but certainly cross-container (and likely *is* able to send RAs to the host)
[17:04] <ijohnson> tianon: ok, yeah so we should try to get this fixed asap then, also how does the mitigation work, as I tried to reproduce the issue where the docker snap couldn't write to that sysfs file in a VM but it worked fine, presumably because the networking in the VM was different?
[17:05] <ijohnson> err the networking setup in a VM is different from a real machine is what I meant
[17:05] <jdstrand> roadmr: hey, can you pull 20200608-1642UTC ?
[17:05] <ijohnson> because I see it on a real machine but not on VM's
[17:07] <tianon> ijohnson: the mitigation disables accepting IPv6 RA (by writing to that sysfs value) on brdige devices Docker creates (which wouldn't be changed in a VM vs on a physical host); your VM might have had IPv6 completely disabled, in which case the mitigation wouldn't be necessary (that sysfs file wouldn't exist at all)
[17:08] <tianon> ijohnson: https://github.com/moby/moby/compare/v19.03.10...v19.03.11 is pretty small (just the mitigation patch)
[17:08] <tianon> ijohnson: reading that patch, your VM might have something like "failed to read ipv6 net.ipv6.conf.<bridge>.accept_ra" as a warning in the dockerd logs
[17:14] <ijohnson> hmm it seems that my VM has ipv6 enabled, but still the docker snap is able to run
[17:14] <ijohnson> perhaps that accept_ra was already disabled in the VM
[17:15] <tianon> hmm
[17:15] <tianon> maybe
[17:15] <tianon> but it writes it whether it's disabled or not
[17:16] <ijohnson> yes, I wonder if there's not a default bridge set somehow?
[17:16] <ijohnson> hmm so on a fresh focal VM, I have /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/default/accept_ra set as "1"
[18:24] <tianon> ijohnson: given the current positive direction of that thread, I should upload an update with network-control to edge right? :)
[18:24] <ijohnson> tianon: yes please
[18:24] <ijohnson> tianon: I assume when jdstrand or some other store admin gets a chance they will process the auto-connection
[18:25] <ijohnson> tianon: but also iirc you should be able to just push a new version with network-control to edge, and that will be installable, but folks won't have it magically work without running manually `snap connect docker:network-control` but after the auto-connection is issued then that will magically work
[18:26] <tianon> ijohnson: right :)
[18:27] <ijohnson> tianon: while not really relevant anymore since you got auto-connect, I debugged a bit more in the VM and I think the bug is only when docker snap is upgraded and the old version of that bridge didn't have the ipv6 disabled, I think that when this version of the docker snap is installed fresh it just creates the bridge with that disabled
[18:27] <ijohnson> but maybe I'm missing something else
[18:27] <ijohnson> s/ipv6 disabled/ipv6 RA packet things/
[18:27] <tianon> interesting
[18:28] <tianon> well, FWIW, the commit is pushed; as soon as launchpad gets around to it, it should be in edge :)
[18:29] <ijohnson> great thanks!
[18:47] <jdstrand> tianon: we have the votes now but normally we wait 7 days for reviewers to comment. is this an emergency?
[18:48] <tianon> jdstrand: I'd defer that to ijohnson -- I don't think it's an emergency, but it is preventing folks from using the "docker" snap without privileged enabled
[18:49] <jdstrand> tianon: the current docker snap or one in edge/etc?
[18:49] <jdstrand> and by current, I mean 'stable'
[18:49] <ijohnson> jdstrand: tianon: I don't know that I'd call it an emergency, but I do think it is urgent since the current docker snap on stable is somewhat broken for existing installations and I don't think it's reasonable to revert to the previous one, as the previous docker snap suffers from that critical CVE
[18:49] <tianon> stable
[18:50] <ijohnson> jdstrand: but folks can "un-break" their installs by refreshing to edge and then manually connecting network-control
[18:50] <jdstrand> ijohnson: so, stable already has network-control?
[18:50] <ijohnson> jdstrand: the critical CVE being https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2020-13401
[18:50] <ijohnson> jdstrand: no, only edge has network-control
[18:50] <ijohnson> as per tianon's commit today
[18:50] <jdstrand> ijohnson: but stable and edge have the fix, and you want to promate something with network-control to stable?
[18:50] <ijohnson> well actually edge may not have it yet, I have not looked at the lp builders status to see if they built it or not
[18:51] <jdstrand> promote*
[18:51] <jdstrand> and by fix, I mean the cve fix
[18:51] <ijohnson> ah
[18:51] <ijohnson> so that CVE is currently fixed on all channels of the docker snap
[18:51] <jdstrand> ok, but it regressed in certain ituations
[18:52] <ijohnson> yes
[18:52] <jdstrand> gotcha. ok, I'll fast track it
[18:52] <ijohnson> thanks jdstrand
[18:57] <jdstrand> ijohnson, tianon: done
[18:57] <ijohnson> nice thank you
[18:57] <tianon> thank you!
[18:58] <tianon> now if I could just figure out why the snap has intermittent build failures on launchpad that I can't reproduce locally...  /o\
[19:27] <roadmr> jdstrand: hi! certainly - will put it in the queue.
[19:41] <mup> PR snapd#8826 closed: tests: assorted small patches <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8826>
[19:48] <zyga> jdstrand: not urgent but small: mvo requested a 3rd review of a test you wrote that I modify: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8803
[19:48] <mup> PR #8803: tests: port interfaces-many-core-provided to tests.session <Test Robustness> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8803>
[20:49] <roadmr> jdstrand: fun, looks like those 2.45 base declaration changes broke a few store tests :)
[21:01] <jdstrand> roadmr: oh? was network-status one of the special ones that was used in the testsuite?
[21:01] <roadmr> jdstrand: yep, looks like it
[21:02] <roadmr> jdstrand: f.ex I had it in an EXPECTED_DENIED_CONNECTION_INTERFACES list but it's not in that category anymore
[21:02] <roadmr> (because its deny-connection: true got removed)
[21:03] <jdstrand> roadmr: it looks like you could use mir instead
[21:03] <roadmr> jdstrand: thanks! I'll for sure replace with that if needed
[21:03] <jdstrand> roadmr: yes, network-status is no longer denied, for sure
[21:04] <roadmr> jdstrand: some of the tests just check the interface categories generically so should cope with me moving network-status out of the EXPECTED_DENIED list
[21:04]  * jdstrand nods
[21:06] <roadmr> jdstrand: it's also no longer in EXPECTED_APP_PROVIDED_SLOT_INTERFACES as it's now provided by core
[21:06] <roadmr> jdstrand: so all the changes seem to make sense; I'll probably tag you in the MP for a sanity check
[21:06] <roadmr> none of this looks controversial in any case
[21:07] <jdstrand> happy to look at it, but your assessment is correct
[21:07] <jdstrand> afaics
[21:07] <jdstrand> (from way over here :)
[21:08] <roadmr> jdstrand: osram-dp2i-avahi is indeed in a brand store O_o they should file a support case
[21:09] <jdstrand> roadmr: ok, I responded to say to file a support case
[21:09] <roadmr> makes sense
[21:10] <roadmr> thanks!
[21:22] <mup> PR snapd#8825 closed: tests: move a few more tests to snapstate_install_test <Test Robustness> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8825>
[21:33] <roadmr> jdstrand: https://code.launchpad.net/~roadmr/software-center-agent/+git/software-center-agent/+merge/385315 for when you have a min - no rush, I'm out of runway today but will check back tomorrow :)
[21:57] <mup> PR snapd#8831 closed: tests: use configcoreSuite in journalSuite and remove some duplicated code <Test Robustness> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8831>
[22:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#3165 opened: Update cmake plugin to use more modern flags <Created by GamePad64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3165>


[22:33] <`paul> would rm -rf /  delete my whole filesystem? just curious....?
[22:33] <malcom2073> graft: What video card do you have in your desktop?
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> sluimers: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[22:33] <Jack_Sparrow> 'paul yes it would
[22:33]  * malcom2073 waits patiently for |{urse :P
[22:33] <rww> `paul: yes, it would, and it's a very wise idea to not mention that command in channel
[22:33] <Mythril> rww: I have everything in there set to 'Always Ask'
[22:33] <`paul> ooops my bad sorry
[22:34] <malcom2073> |{urse lemme know when it's done, you have some kind of flood control on that
[22:34] <Mythril> rww: besides that is how firefox plays embedded content, as far as I am aware
[22:34] <sluimers> ActionParsnip, thanks
[22:34] <B3z3rk3r> malcom2073: im seeing lots of black screen issues from the X1950
[22:35] <B3z3rk3r> malcom2073: your not getting that right?
[22:35] <rww> Mythril: If that doesn't help, I'm not sure how to help you. I just remember that preference tab helped me when stuff was opening in the wrong application.
[22:35] <malcom2073> B3z3rk3r: Right. I'm getting 3d being borked (polygons flying all over the place, really weird), and 2d is overlaying over the entire desktop flashing at its regular framerate, but being overwritten by a window. Very epileptic seizure like.
[22:35] <Nick_Meister> hello guys how can i free up the alt key in kde to use inside of blender?
[22:36] <Nick_Meister> its like it has been reserved by the system or something
[22:36] <aboucher> how do install virtual box
[22:36] <|{urse> malcom2073, there u go
[22:36] <ompaul> Nick_Meister, ask in #kubuntu they might know more
[22:36] <|{urse> i pasted the important bits
[22:36] <|{urse> when you have you xorg.conf run gstreamer-properties and set the noxv option uder the video tab
[22:36] <|{urse> its the only way i can get my x1950 working
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> !keyboard | Nick_Meister
[22:36] <graft> malcom2073: actually, it looks like i have an onboard intel chip, never mind
[22:36] <truebosko> Anyone ever had the issue with "Printer port busy" that's the error I get whenever I try to print anything, but my queue is empty (until I print that page, then it just sits in queue)
[22:36] <malcom2073> |{urse: alright I'll give that a try, thanks
[22:36] <B3z3rk3r> malcom2073: wow.. thats pretty crazy sounding. Havent come across anything like that on th forums yet
[22:36] <rww> aboucher: install package "virtualbox-ose" from Synaptic or from the terminal: "sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose"
[22:36] <mastershihochief> i went and did a ps aux when my problem was occuring
[22:36] <mastershihochief> root      5724 15.9  3.7  90252 77144 tty7     SLs+ Dec08 237:38 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[22:36] <graft> malcom2073: but i've definitely had ATI chips that worked fine before
[22:36] <|{urse> ^^ good luck that card is a mess
[22:37] <klync> is SATA 300 something different than standard SATA support? wondering what to look for to figure out if my computer can support it
[22:37] <mastershihochief> the problem occurs when that process goes to 100
[22:37] <malcom2073> B3z3rk3r: I've seen the polygon problem before in older games when you have a REALLY outdated video card, but never in anything modern.
[22:37] <soreau> evilgnome: What executable are you looking for?
[22:37] <evilgnome> /usr/bin/emerald
[22:37] <malcom2073> |{urse pasted me some xorg.conf file stuff, it could be mine is just plain set wrong
[22:37] <malcom2073> ima try taht
[22:37] <tobias__> jo joo
[22:37] <malcom2073> any way to restart X without logging out/shutting down all my running programs?
[22:37] <B3z3rk3r> malcom2073: Gl man
[22:37] <tobias__> das geht doch maL qarnich
[22:37] <tobias__> oha
[22:37] <rww> !de | tobias__
[22:37] <soreau> evilgnome: I wont be able to help you in here if you don't use my nick
[22:38] <vladtsepesh1984> sorry gyus...i have followed the guide to sync my smartphone on ubuntu....all warks fine and i successfully made a syncronization with evolution with evo2sync but in evolution i dont have no contacts....why????
[22:38] <evilgnome> soreau: sorry. /usr/bin/emerald. but also /usr/bin/emerald-theme-manager is gone, too
[22:38] <Jack_Sparrow> afk... someone at the door
[22:38] <rww> malcom2073: no, unfortunately :(
[22:39] <malcom2073> That is plain unfortunate, and come to think of it odd.
[22:39] <malcom2073> I know if you boot without x, you can start/stop it without logging out
[22:39] <scotlfs> !usb
[22:39] <malcom2073> I guess X is pre-login?
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> evilgnome: sudo ap-get --reinstall install emerald
[22:39] <Demios> gaaah
[22:39] <eseven73> rww even if he ran it in screen?
[22:39]  * Demios pulls out his hair
[22:39] <rww> malcom2073: X11 is usually started in Ubuntu from GDM, which is pre-login, yes.
[22:39] <rww> malcom2073: the least-invasive method is Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[22:39] <Gnea> Demios: ?
[22:40] <rww> malcom2073: and that still closes all running GUI programs
[22:40] <evilgnome> ActionParsnip: thanks, I've tried reinstalling
[22:40] <rww> eseven73: what?
[22:40] <soreau> evilgnome: and since you're getting help in another channel, I can't help you
[22:40] <aboucher> does anyone know how i can help by testing jaunty?
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> evilgnome: still not there?
[22:40] <rww> aboucher: Jaunty discussion belongs in #ubuntu+1, not here, thanks
[22:40] <Demios> Gnea: my dvd rw drive is kicking my ass
[22:40] <Demios> it wont let me burn anything
[22:40] <malcom2073> Oh, I guess that makes sense
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> evilgnome: whats the output of: which emerald
[22:40] <aboucher> ok
[22:40] <malcom2073> Most gui programs probably arent programmed to run without an x server :P
[22:40] <eseven73> rww: if malcom2073 were to run his programs in the screen app, and restart x, would they still be running?
[22:40] <Demios> keeps telling me the available space is 0 bytes in brasero and any other app i use
[22:40] <Gnea> Demios: what about k3b?
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> Demios: have you tried a few different burning apps? have you tried setting burning speed lower
[22:41] <evilgnome> ActionParsnip: still not, but aptitude has uninstalled libemeraldengine0. which emerald gives no output
[22:41] <Demios> ActionParsnip: some apps wont even let me burn because "there is no room"
[22:41] <rww> eseven73: "screen app" as in the "screen" command in Terminal? Yes if they're command-line, no if they're GUI apps (which is what he's talking about).
[22:41] <eternaljoy> my DVD player worked, but now it doesn't.  What can I do? thanks.
[22:41] <Gnea> Demios: that makes no sense - no room where?
[22:41] <rww> eseven73: I think that's the case, anyway. I don't feel like restarting X11 to find out.
[22:41] <eternaljoy> lepke: hello
[22:41] <Demios> on the blank cdrs
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> Demios: can you give the exact error please
[22:42] <Don> i know you guys are busy , but can i ask a question
[22:42] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: any ideas pls?
[22:42] <rww> !ask | Don
[22:42] <DasEi> eternaljoy: using vlc ?
[22:42] <eseven73> rww yeah i havent tested that theory either and i too dont feel like restart x to find out :)
[22:42] <malcom2073> Well im about to have to restart X
[22:42] <malcom2073> so how do I test this? :P
[22:42] <eternaljoy> DasEi: Ubuntu doesnt recognise the DVD at all
[22:42] <malcom2073> Or can you not do it on already running programs?
[22:42] <B3z3rk3r> Ctrl+Alt+backspace malcom2073
[22:43] <scotlfs> ActionParsnip: although the USB guides didn't specifically address my issue, they helped me figure out what to do to fix my problem. I am now creating a new USB installation. Thanks very much for your help
[22:43] <malcom2073> k, if I get booted, we all know why :P
[22:43] <Don> is there a recovery disc that will check if you are missing any basic packages in your ubuntu 8.10 setup
[22:43] <malcom2073> brb
[22:43] <eseven73> malcom2073: you could do 'screen htop' or something and restart x,
[22:43] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: after mounting cd rom and cd there, no files by ls-cmd ?
[22:43] <rww> eseven73: htop is command line, so it should get saved.
[22:43] <eternaljoy> DasEi: how I mount it?
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> scotlfs: glad you reached the right path. np man :D
[22:43] <malcom2073> k I got another app running
[22:43] <malcom2073> here goes
[22:43] <eseven73> i know
[22:44] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: open a terminal
[22:44] <Don> who me
[22:44] <eseven73> kinda offtopic but someone earlier asked about networking monitoring, i found a cool app for that called iptraf, its in the repos too :)
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> !info iptraf
[22:44] <King_Of_Worms> this is the right place to ask for help on how to do things in Ubuntu??
[22:44] <rww> King_Of_Worms: yes
[22:44] <Nick_Meister> how do i get rid of alt+left drag feature?
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: yep
[22:44] <King_Of_Worms> cool
[22:45] <malcom2073> Nope, it closed the screen app I opened
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> Nick_Meister: i think its an x thing. not sure, its dead handy
[22:45] <eseven73> malcom2073: type 'screen -ls'
[22:45] <rww> malcom2073: issue "screen -r" in a terminal
[22:45] <King_Of_Worms> I was hoping someone could help me figure out how to bind a folder to another location on boot
[22:45] <Nick_Meister> ActionParsnip, i need to either get rid of it or change it to something else
[22:45] <Don> is there a repair disk for ubuntu 8.10?
[22:45] <King_Of_Worms> i tried the suggestion i found on the forums, but it didn't work :(
[22:45] <Gnea> Don: have you tried making a usb startup disk?
[22:46] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: sudo mkdir /mnt/cd
[22:46] <eseven73> malcom2073: do what rww said, he's got easier ways of doing things, i do things the hard way
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: you can use a symlink, it appears as a folder but will magically transport you to the other folder you link to if you click it
[22:46] <Don> only access i have is thru the terminal
[22:46] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: only one cd drive ?
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: is taht what you mean?
[22:46] <malcom2073> rww: oh very cool
[22:46] <eseven73> malcom2073: is it running?
[22:46] <Don> i guess i must have removed files that let me get the usb interface and keybd working under the windows like interface
[22:46] <malcom2073> eseven73: negative, I havent restarted X yet again lol
[22:46] <ActionParsnip> Nick_Meister: not sure dude
[22:46] <King_Of_Worms> ActionParsnip, i think so, how do I create a symlink?
[22:46] <eseven73> ah
[22:47] <Don> only had the linux for 2 weeks, new at it
[22:47] <malcom2073> And this whole mess didn't fix my problem :(. For instance: The visualization in rhythm-box it flickers all the time, especially when it's behind another window it flickers in front, and when I drag the window with extra effects on, the visualization stays in place and keeps flickering
[22:47] <Gnea> Don: do you have any important data residing on your ubuntu install?
[22:47] <King_Of_Worms> mount --bind is the command I use to do it manually, but i want it to happen automatically at boot time
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: ln -s /path/to/folder/to/be/linked /location/of/link/linkname
[22:47] <malcom2073> screen -r says "no screen to resume"
[22:47] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  ?
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: obviosly change the names of the folders etc
[22:48] <think_linux> hello evryone, i got a problem with my synaptic, it wont let access it. here is the info http://paste.ubuntu.com/83184/    thanks for help
[22:48] <malcom2073> Oh this screen command looks very cool. Looks like I should ssh -x into this box remotely and bring desktop windows over?
[22:48] <eternaljoy> DasEi: yes only 1 DVD
[22:48] <eternaljoy> DasEi: I type  sudo mkdir /mnt/cd ?
[22:48] <eseven73> screen rocks
[22:48] <rafting> I'm really tired at this. I can't get my wireless card to work. Should I have to reconfigure my modem and router? The network is detected but I can't authenticate, I'm positive I'm giving the correct authentification-password.
[22:48] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  yes, then : umount /dev/scd0
[22:48] <eternaljoy> ok brtb
[22:48] <rww> think_linux: open a terminal and issue "sudo apt-get update". If you get errors from that, put them in pastebin and link it here. If not, try Synaptic again.
[22:49] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  yes, then : sudo umount /dev/scd0                 ,sorry
[22:49] <ActionParsnip> rafting: yu could try ndiswrapper + xp32 or xp64 driver
[22:49] <think_linux> rww: ok 1 sec
[22:49] <eternaljoy> DasEi: umount: /dev/scd0 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[22:49] <sav1o> hi, how does the package manager deals with different compilation flags? I mean, for example, if I want to run 'directfb' compile with '--enable-sdl', or even if I want to have '--enable-debug', how can I procede?
[22:49] <rww> sav1o: it doesn't. The package manager doesn't compile, it downloads binary packages.
[22:49] <eternaljoy> DasEi: when I type   sudo umount /dev/scd0 it says: umount: /dev/scd0: not mounted
[22:49] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  k,     sudo mount -t iso9660  /dev/scd0   /mnt/cd
[22:49] <ultra_violet> hey guys
[22:49] <TheTetsu> hi
[22:49] <jrib> sav1o: get the source package, edit debian/rules, rebuild the package
[22:49] <King_Of_Worms> ActionParsnip, will I have to run that command after everytime I reboot, or is it permanent?
[22:50] <TheTetsu> my ubuntu I do not longer see the desktop and restart when I am starting as the dos mode of windows that do?
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> sav1o: if the packaged app doesnt use the flags you want you must recompile yourself
[22:50] <eternaljoy> DasEi: mount: No medium found
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: its permanent
[22:50] <ultra_violet> does someone have troble running bin files in 8.04?
[22:50] <King_Of_Worms> cool
[22:50] <King_Of_Worms> Thanks :)
[22:50] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: drive empty ??
[22:50] <jrib> ultra_violet: can you be more vague?
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: if you are making a link outside your home folder you must use sudo
[22:50] <eternaljoy> DasEi: yes shall I put something in it?  Is Synaptic still broken, or is it now working?
[22:51] <Gnea> Don: your best bet, if you can, is to reinstall and try again - if you have a thumbdrive, you can make a usb startup disk with the System->Administration menu in order to help bail you out of this type of situation - if you have any files yet to be backed up, you should be able to get them out of your ~/Desktop or wherever they are onto a thumbdrive
[22:51] <rww> think_linux: : okay, no errors. Is Synaptic still broken, or is it now working?
[22:51] <SwiftIRC919> help with ubuntu
[22:51] <rww> ActionParsnip: sorry, nick confusion :)
[22:51] <SwiftIRC919> private convo with someone please?
[22:51] <Perogies> hey folks, a nvidia driver error caused my computer to freeze, causing me to have to reboot holding down the power button. on boot up, it displayed the word "Grub" and I couldnt go any farther
[22:51] <sav1o> ActionParsnip: that's bad.
[22:51] <Gnea> Don: please keep the chatter to the channel, it will make it easier for others to help you
[22:51] <think_linux> rww: let me try
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> rww: i do that loads np man
[22:51] <DasEi> !ask | SwiftIRC919
[22:51] <SwiftIRC919> !ask
[22:51] <ultra_violet> i cant run bin files, nor in graphoc mode (it doesnt have any application), nor in terminal (command not found), neither with "sh" (Syntax error: "(" unexpected)
[22:51] <Gnea> !pm | SwiftIRC919
[22:51] <eseven73> LjL: power will do that to a person :P
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> sav1o: what is?
[22:51] <SwiftIRC919> !pm
[22:52] <eternaljoy> DasEi: Ok I put a DVD in the drive, do I now type: sudo mount -t iso9660  /dev/scd0   /mnt/cd ?
[22:52] <SwiftIRC919> ??
[22:52] <ultra_violet> i have the correct permissions and i tried several bin files
[22:52] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: yes
[22:52] <Pici> SwiftIRC919: Read what ubottu told you
[22:52] <sav1o> ActionParsnip: not having a package manager able to deal with flags, like gentoo's emerge does
[22:52] <Gnea> `olly: read what ubottu told you.
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> ultra_violet: you need to make it executable
[22:52] <eternaljoy> DasEi: it still says: mount: No medium found
[22:52] <nintendork32> i have been wondering this for a while now but why do i get files with ~ at the end?
[22:52] <`olly> ok
[22:52] <`olly> right...
[22:52] <eternaljoy> DasEi: what now?
[22:52] <ultra_violet> ActionParsnip I did
[22:52] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: do you use vlc-player ?
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> sav1o: gentoo is way more advanced than ubuntu, ubuntu is made easier for linux virgins
[22:52] <eternaljoy> DasEi: yes
[22:53] <think_linux> rww: lol well it works now....thanks a lot!!!! but how come??
[22:53] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: is a video dvd in the drive ?
[22:53] <ultra_violet> ActionParsnip "chmod +x" right?
[22:53] <eternaljoy> DasEi: yes a dvd movie
[22:53] <`olly> I am using Ubuntu on a laptop, ive dont the load error on the hard drive and it seems that its not that thats the problem, pidgin wont connect and will close, no firefox history, and media player closes randomly?? help please?
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> ultra_violet: what messages do you get when you run it? yes thats right
[22:53] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: start vlc         ...
[22:53] <eternaljoy> DasEi: it used to play on its own, but now it doesnt.  about 3 days ago it stopped
[22:53] <rww> think_linux: apt-get update downloads a list of packages from the Ubuntu servers. At some point, one of those lists got broken on your computer, and doing apt-get update fixed it :)
[22:53] <jrib> ultra_violet: can you give more details... what exactly are you doing?  Give an example on pastebin
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> ultra_violet: you need to cd to the folder then use ./<bin file>
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> ultra_violet: the ./ is imortant
[22:54] <Don> my problem started when ubuntu was running slow, so i thought i would get rid of some of those i did not need, but after that , i had no usb mouse or keyboard control once it rebooted, can only get into terminal mode - and since im new, dont know the commands etc to back up my system , besides , i need to reinstall the usb and keybd drivers to get into the windows like interface
[22:54] <eternaljoy> DasEi: Playback failure: DVDRead could not open the disk "/dev/scd0".
[22:54] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: media > open medium > scd0
[22:54] <think_linux> rww: haha sweet...thanks again...keep up with the good work, apreciate that
[22:54] <vladtsepesh1984> anyone can tell me how to sync 2WAY from PPC to evol and from evo to PPC with synce and opensync?????
[22:54] <malcom2073> Nope, that didn't fix it either
[22:54] <tim> hi all
[22:54] <rww> think_linux: you're welcome :) glad I could help!
[22:54] <Captcha> AHH
[22:55] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: (terminal:) sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[22:55] <Captcha> well im new here
[22:55] <eternaljoy> DasEi: I dont see any OPEN MEDIUM in the VLC Media menu
[22:55] <nintendork32> i have been wondering this for a while now but why do i get files with ~ at the end?
[22:55] <tim> new user here
[22:55] <Captcha> Hi!
[22:55] <methodmarvel> new user tim
[22:55] <Gnea> Don: that's why i asked if you had any important files on your system (email, documents, pictures, movies, etc) because the best way to fix it is to reinstall
[22:55] <tim> how ,s
[22:55] <think_linux> rww: i'll prob come back again for some other stuff...linux drives me crzyyyyyy
[22:55] <`olly> I am using Ubuntu on a laptop, ive dont the load error on the hard drive and it seems that its not that thats the problem, pidgin wont connect and will close, no firefox history, and media player closes randomly when playing music.
[22:55] <eternaljoy> DasEi: sudo apt-get install pastebinit  DONE
[22:55] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: lspci | pastebinit
[22:55] <Captcha> :|
[22:55] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: lspci | pastebinit
[22:55] <B3z3rk3r> tim: hey
[22:55] <tim> anyone open things up
[22:55] <rww> Hi Captcha!
[22:55] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: url ?
[22:55] <Captcha> there is a lot of people here
[22:55] <eternaljoy> DasEi: brb
[22:55] <rww> Captcha: yeah, it's a busy channel :)
[22:55] <Gnea> `olly: "ive dont the load error on the hard drive" <-- what does that mean?
[22:56] <`olly> one sec
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> tim: how do you mean?
[22:56] <eternaljoy> DasEi: it says: http://pastebin.com/f40ef4273
[22:56] <Don> i do have files so that is last option
[22:56] <Captcha> HOLY CR-
[22:56] <Captcha> UGH
[22:56] <Gnea> !caps | Captcha
[22:56] <tim> man i cant open any programs like games quake so forth
[22:56] <Hix-2> does anyone know if compiz will run on a lappy with an intel 945 for the video?
[22:56] <Melik> yo
[22:56] <Captcha> sorry
[22:56] <`olly> Ubuntu hard drive Load Cycle overkill bug
[22:56] <Don> i prob can install ubuntu 8.10 on my windows based hard drive , then copy files over from this drive
[22:56] <eternaljoy> DasEi: when I typed: lspci | pastebinit  it says: http://pastebin.com/f40ef4273
[22:57] <ultra_violet> ok, guys, sorry for taking so long
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> tim: search for loki installer, theres an installer for quake to make it native, other games can run via wine
[22:57] <ultra_violet> i had to dowload some files to try out
[22:57] <B3z3rk3r> Hix-2 yeah, should be plenty
[22:57] <tim> ok lol   thank you much
[22:57] <Captcha> jeez
[22:58] <tim> ok
[22:58] <Hix-2> bez3rk3r: thanks
[22:58] <tim>    wine
[22:58] <Gnea> !cedega | tim
[22:58] <ultra_violet> sudo chmod 755 PlaneShift-v0.4.03-x86.bin
[22:58] <B3z3rk3r> Hix-2: your welcome
[22:58] <ultra_violet> in the right folder
[22:58] <rww> Captcha: do you have a problem with Ubuntu that you need help with? If so, go ahead and type it out and if anyone knows how to fix it, they'll let you know. If not, #ubuntu-offtopic may be more to your tastes :)
[22:58] <tim> ok thank you
[22:58] <`olly> I am using Ubuntu on a laptop, Ubuntu hard drive Load Cycle overkill bug ive check and i dont have, pidgin wont connect and will close, no firefox history, and media player closes randomly when playing music.
[22:58] <eternaljoy> DasEi: I think when I did a update and the kernel was upgraded, the DVD drive stopped working.  any fix?
[22:59] <ultra_violet> PlaneShift-v0.4.03-x86.bin: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[22:59] <Gnea> `olly: open a terminal and tail -f /var/log/syslog  and see if any errors happen when that happens
[22:59] <Captcha> wwwwweeeeeeeeeee
[22:59] <`olly> kk
[22:59] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: sudo lshw | pastebinit
[22:59] <Captcha> :|
[22:59] <ultra_violet> without sh
[22:59] <Gnea> Captcha: do you have a question?
[22:59] <Captcha> no
[22:59] <rafting> ActionParship: im using windows vista
[23:00] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:url again ? (lspci doesn't list cd rom)
[23:00] <eternaljoy> DasEi: can I paste the results in PM?
[23:00] <ultra_violet> PlaneShift-v0.4.03-x86.bin: command not found
[23:00] <Gnea> Captcha: then please keep your chatter down so that people with real problems can be helped.
[23:00] <ultra_violet> thats what i got
[23:00] <B3z3rk3r> rafting: why rafting? why?   :P
[23:00] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:why ? just give the url
[23:00] <tim> man this is life saver , just found this thing , been on 3 months    coool
[23:00] <eternaljoy> DasEi: it didnt give an URL
[23:00] <aboucher> anyone know a good text editor
[23:00] <eternaljoy> DasEi: see your PM windows
[23:00] <rafting> I'm really tired at this. I can't get my wireless card to work. Should I have to reconfigure my modem and router? The network is detected but I can't authenticate, I'm positive I'm giving the correct authentification-password. I am using Windows Vista(32 bit OS) and Ubuntu 8.10. realTek wireless card.
[23:00] <`olly> gnea: www.pastebin.ca/128114
[23:00] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: sudo lshw | pastebinit
[23:00] <eternaljoy> DasEi: Error no arguments specified!
[23:01] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: sudo lshw > pastebinit
[23:01] <eternaljoy> DasEi: same thing.
[23:01] <roger_> aboucher what text format you wanting to edit
[23:01] <aboucher> html and javascript
[23:01] <King_Of_Worms> ActionParsnip, the command worked, but I accidentally used the wrong path, is there anyway I can undo it? :(
[23:01] <eternaljoy> sudo lshw > pastebinit   gave NO results at all
[23:01] <roger_> use screemer
[23:01] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: sudo lshw > lsh.txt && pastebinit lsh.txt && rm lsh.txt
[23:01] <rww> aboucher: the text editor that comes with GNOME is pretty good: gedit, or Accessories > Text Editor. For command line, look at nano, vi, and emacs.
[23:02] <roger_> sceem is html editor
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> tim: cedega is paid for software, wine is free
[23:02] <tim> unlug lug back in lol
[23:02] <rww> !editor | aboucher: a more full list:
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> rafting: try ndiswrapper
[23:02] <`olly> gnea: www.pastebin.ca/128114
[23:02] <eternaljoy> DasEi: shall I trry:  sudo lshw | pastebinit
[23:02] <roger_> gphpedit is good for html also
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: use rm to delete the link then recreate
[23:03] <mariansan1986> finaly
[23:03] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: I gave you above, nor ? yes,please
[23:03] <mariansan1986> hello everyone
[23:03] <maxsoftAlt> tyuty
[23:03] <LoRez> bluetooth range based screen locker?
[23:03] <tim> hi
[23:03] <B3z3rk3r> im out
[23:03] <eternaljoy> DasEi: http://pastebin.com/f2eb60f03
[23:03] <B3z3rk3r> later all
[23:03] <Captcha> ...
[23:04] <Gnea> `olly: Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired.
[23:04] <King_Of_Worms> ActionParsnip, will that remove an of the files or just the link?
[23:04] <`olly> one sec
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: only the link
[23:04] <eternaljoy> DasEi: sudo lshw > lsh.txt && pastebinit lsh.txt && rm lsh.txt  worked.....  http://pastebin.com/f2eb60f03
[23:04] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: so rom is found,   next : pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[23:05] <`olly> GNEA: http://pastebin.com/m1110cdf6
[23:05] <`olly> try a different paste bin :D
[23:05] <mariansan1986> can someone help me with a small problem with ubuntu?
[23:05] <eternaljoy> DasEi: what?
[23:05] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[23:05] <eternaljoy> DasEi: I type: pastebinit /var/log/syslog ?
[23:06] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  yes
[23:06] <eternaljoy> DasEi: http://pastebin.com/f40b2aaab
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> !anybody | mariansan1986
[23:06] <Gnea> `olly: are you able to install the pastebinit program?
[23:06] <`olly> sure
[23:07] <`olly> how i do it ??
[23:07] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: strange, no errors, too
[23:07] <Gnea> `olly: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:07] <eternaljoy> DasEi: so what I do now?
[23:07] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: sudo apt-get remove --purge vlc && sudo apt-get install vlc
[23:07] <sadam> udev appears to be auto-mounting removable media as root.root.  any thoughts on fixing it?
[23:08] <King_Of_Worms> awesome :) Thanks again ActionParsnip
[23:08] <eternaljoy> DasEi: ok
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: you have now learned about symlinks
[23:08] <jrib> sadam: what filesystem?
[23:08] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: try again starting vlc, open media > scd0
[23:08] <King_Of_Worms> Hooray for Learning :)
[23:08] <SwiftIRC298> gnea
[23:09] <sadam> jrib: vfat
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> King_Of_Worms: you'll learn more later :)
[23:09] <jrib> sadam: what ubuntu version?
[23:09] <eternaljoy> DasEi: where in VLC do I tell it to open " scd0 ?
[23:09] <sadam> 8.10
[23:09] <Gnea> ``olly: did you figure it out?
[23:09] <``olly> how do i install the pastebinit program
[23:09] <almark> Hello, where can I get a menu.lst for grub in Ubuntu 8.10, I opted to install Ubuntu without a bootloader because I wanted to use Gentoo's grub loader, what do I need to do?
[23:09] <rww> ``olly: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:09] <``olly> cheers
[23:09] <jrib> sadam: that doesn't happen by default.  Can you think of any changes you have made to cause that?
[23:09] <Gnea> ``olly: in a terminal type this:  sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:09] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: first tab in the top, open medium
[23:10] <mariansan1986> ok so i couldn't boot from the cd and i used the help me boot from the cd. I then installed ubuntu but it deosn't boot it only starts as the live cd
[23:10] <eternaljoy> DasEi: DVDRead could not open the disk "/dev/scd0"
[23:10] <``olly> installing....
[23:10] <``olly> done
[23:10] <``olly> now what gnea?
[23:10] <sadam> jrib: it's happened since I upgraded to ibex from hardy.  I can't even find where in the udev rules the permissions are set
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: whats the output of: file /dev/scd0
[23:10] <eternaljoy> DasEi: same error :(
[23:10] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: there's sth in the out from lshw: it says status=nodisc
[23:11] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: brb
[23:11] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: /dev/scd0: block special
[23:11] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: you said you put a written dvd in ?
[23:11] <eternaljoy> DasEi: yes, and it used to work
[23:12] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip & DasEi any more ideas pls?
[23:12] <almark> When I installed Ubuntu 8.10 I didn't use the grub that comes with it. So I have no menu.lst and dont' know how to set one up I want to append Ubuntu onto, my existing Gentoo menu.lst
[23:12] <eternaljoy> DasEi: it used to appear on the desktop when I inserted a DVD
[23:13] <eternaljoy> is there a way to install Ubuntu 8.10 with inode 128 and not inode 256?  Maybe I need to reinstall
[23:13] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: looks like the switch of the cd for signaling disk in is broken, yould you try if you can boot from that drive (live cd ?) to exclude a mechanical failure ?
[23:13] <eternaljoy> DasEi: yes it works booting from it
[23:13] <eternaljoy> DasEi: tried that
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> !grub | almark
[23:13] <eternaljoy> DasEi: something in Ubuntu broke
[23:13] <``olly> gnea?
[23:13] <eternaljoy> DasEi: since the kernel upgrade
[23:13] <jrib> sadam: see what happens with a fresh new user
[23:13] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: pastebinit /etc/fstab
[23:14] <eternaljoy> DasEi: http://pastebin.com/f7240fd8d
[23:14] <onetinsoldier> hi all. would anyone like a little snowy christmas with santa's sleigh in your x windows? i have fixed up the Makefile for the very old xsnow program if you want it! won't work with all window managers tho. won't work with kde nor xfce and i'll bet not in compiz either. xsnow be very old but it's still a great X amusement for this time of year!
[23:14] <sadam> jrib: should switching to the guest user via FUSA be sufficient?
[23:15] <jrib> sadam: sure
[23:15] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: sudo mount -a
[23:15] <almark> :ubottu I have grub installed already in this disk, I want to use my Gentoo grub that is already installed, but I don't know what to add in the menu.lst to load ubuntu, there are all kinds of things to load in Ubuntu in the boot dir, I need an example file, do you know where I could view a default Ubuntu grub menu.lst on the web for Ubuntu 8.10 ?
[23:15] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: cd
[23:15] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: cd /media/dcrom0
[23:15] <eternaljoy> DasEi: what?
[23:15] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  ls
[23:16] <eternaljoy> DasEi: what I type fiorst? :P
[23:16] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  cmd after cmd
[23:16] <eternaljoy> DasEi: im confused... i typed  sudo mount -a  now what?
[23:16] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: cd
[23:16] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: cd /media/dcrom0
[23:16] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  ls
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> almark: that guide will help you identify the disk for grub and yuo can add an entry
[23:16] <DasEi> files there ?
[23:17] <scotlfs> !usb
[23:17] <eternaljoy> DasEi:bash: cd: /media/dcrom0: No such file or directory
[23:17] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  damn, cdrom0
[23:17] <hackwins> DasEi:cd /dev/cdrom0
[23:17] <DasEi> why<
[23:17] <DasEi> yes
[23:18] <eternaljoy> DasEi: i may need to reinstall ubuntu :(
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> hackwins: you can't cd to block devices like that, they must be mounted, then the mountpoint is used to enter it
[23:18] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  did you cd to /media/cdrom0 ?
[23:18] <Gnea> `olly: dmesg | pastebinit
[23:18] <eternaljoy> DasEi: yes, it said:  cd: /media/dcrom0: No such file or directory
[23:18] <hackwins> ok
[23:19] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:  cdrom0, not dcrom0
[23:19] <eternaljoy> DasEi: I typed: cd to /media/cdrom0
[23:19] <almostdvs> commands to 1. list all installed kernels  2. remove any of the kernels
[23:19] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: cd  /media/cdrom0
[23:19] <eternaljoy> DasEi: bash: cd: to: No such file or directory
[23:19] <graft> eternaljoy: ls /media
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: sudo mkdir /media/cdrom0
[23:20] <eternaljoy> DasEi: theres a white arrow on the cdrom folder
[23:20] <Orios> hello
[23:20] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: its been done
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: then sudo mount -a
[23:20] <sadam> jrib: same result
[23:20] <Orios> does anyone know mych about ubuntu and nvidia drivers?
[23:20] <haroldp> I can't seem to get a wireless connection.  where can I look for troubleshooting info?
[23:20] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/cdrom0': File exists
[23:20] <diego``> gn8 zamm
[23:20] <vladtsepesh1984>  i'm having problem syncing 2way with synce and opensync....i can only sync from evol to ppc with evo2sync....how should i do???????please help me
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: ok well thats a good thing
[23:20] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `then'
[23:20] <jrib> sadam: pastebin the output of 'mount' and 'ls -ld /mount/point'
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: sudo mount -a
[23:21] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: cd
[23:21] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: cd  /media/cdrom0
[23:21] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: ls
[23:21] <kattollikisd> Hi I have a problem with my internet connection, the firefox say that the network is not found, but I talk already with the company of my internet... they told me that the connection is good with the computer but there is a host or a post that is block, how can I fix this? or Unblock this?
[23:21] <DasEi> files?
[23:21] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: ok I typed: sudo mount -a
[23:21] <eternaljoy> * aneqrs has quit ()
[23:21] <vladtsepesh1984> problema nell'uso di synce e opensync....riesco a sincronizzare i contatti solo da evol al ppc e non dal ppc ad evol...comep osso fare????? vi supplico aiutatemi
[23:21] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: after sudo mount -a  now what?
[23:21] <Orios> no?
[23:21] <georgy_28> !it
[23:21] <almark> thanks :ActionParsnip
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: cd /media/cdrom0 && ls -a
[23:21] <eternaljoy> DasEi: ls is empty
[23:22] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: I typed: cd /media/cdrom0 && ls -a
[23:22] <ingo86> hi all, is there someone that could give me an advice about a good dvb-t and analogue tv tuner card that works out of the box with ubuntu and mythtv?
[23:22] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: mount | pastebinit
[23:22] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: empty directory
[23:22] <eternaljoy> DasEi: http://pastebin.com/f3c92fa84
[23:23] <fallore> My firefox window is giving me a lot of trouble. When I open it is is maximized full screen (an on top of the top and bottom panel) and missing the title bar containing the minimize, maximize and close buttons. All methods of resizing it (Alt + Shift, Alt + Click, etc) that I've tried thus far have failed. Can anyone help me restore my FF back to normal?
[23:23] <sadam> jrib: http://pastebin.ca/1281173
[23:23] <DasEi>  eternaljoy: cd not mounted
[23:23] <eternaljoy> DasEi: ok, so now what?
[23:23] <jrib> sadam: I meant the actual mount point, looks like it is /media/disk
[23:23] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[23:24] <eternaljoy> DasEi: done, now?
[23:24] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:change noauto to aouto in the cdrom line
[23:24] <eternaljoy> ok brb
[23:24] <scotlfs> fallore: try pressing F11
[23:24] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:* auto
[23:24] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:SAVE fstab
[23:24] <eternaljoy> DasEi: done
[23:24] <eternaljoy> saved
[23:24] <_cb> After upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 am having some problems and am thinking about doing a clean install.
[23:24] <_cb> I only care about being able to restore evolution settings and mail. What is the best way to do that?
[23:24] <eternaljoy> DasEi: now?
[23:24] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:25] <jrib> sadam: are you running gnome?
[23:25] <almostdvs> command to remove old kernel?
[23:25] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:then do a reboot
[23:25] <sadam> jrib: http://pastebin.ca/1281176, yes I'm running gnome
[23:25] <eternaljoy> DasEi: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  = done
[23:25] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:then do a reboot
[23:25] <eternaljoy> DasEi: ok rebooting brb
[23:25] <DasEi> ..
[23:25] <jrib> sadam: gconftool-2 -g /system/storage/default_options/vfat/mount_options
[23:26] <sadam> jrib: No value set for `/system/storage/default_options/vfat/mount_options'
[23:26] <ibtissem> i need help
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> sup ibtissem
[23:27] <ibtissem> im new on ubuntu so i have some issues to adapt
[23:27] <jrib> sadam: is this on the guest?
[23:27] <vladtsepesh1984> pleeeeeeeeese help me....i cant sync ppc to evol but only evol to ppc with synce and opensync....help me!!
[23:27] <Funes> .
[23:27] <sadam> no, my user, let me check the guest
[23:27] <heret1c> Does anyone use gmobilemedia?
[23:27] <Orios> does anyone know much about ubuntu and nvidia cards?
[23:27] <ibtissem> i  install video codecs before installin audio codecs , thats why when i run a ong
[23:28] <DasEi> ActionParsnip: its strange, eternaljoy can't watch dvd nomore, syslog= fine, but lshw with dvd in says status=nodisc, but he says he can boot from drive (no faulty rom-switch then)... strange
[23:28] <ibtissem> song** i dont have voice
[23:28] <ibtissem> Excuse my english
[23:28] <nnull> guys im trying to get my 64meg tnt ultra pro working on my TV, im using the nvidia legacy drivers, but whenever i try use the card on my tv, once it boots into login screen the screen is morphed and theres no mouse, and max is 60hertz.. any help?
[23:28] <haroldp> I'm not seeing any errors when i set up my wifi, but pings to the router IP return "no route to host"
[23:28] <almark> Does Ubuntu create menu.lst automatically, I didn't install Ubuntu bootloader so I don't have the ubuntu menu.lst All I want is the Ubuntu menu.lst, So I know what to type in my Gentoo one.
[23:28] <albert_fish> hi imhaving problems installing grub while on a live cd,the standered directions are not working .
[23:28] <Orios> everytime i install the restricted drivers for my 3d card, i have to reboot but i only get a blank screen
[23:29] <heret1c> I have a permissions issue w. gmobimemedia which I cannot resolve.
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> DasEi: could try running it as sudo, just to test
[23:29] <eternaljoy> DasEi: imback.  still doesnt read the DVD :(  any other ideas?
[23:30] <DasEi> ActionParsnip: the dvd-rom ddin't mount
[23:30] <sadam> jrib: it doesn't exist there either
[23:30] <kattollikisd> Hi I have a problem with my internet connection, the firefox say that the network is not found, but I talk already with the company of my internet... they told me that the connection is good with the computer but there is a host or a post that is block, how can I fix this? or Unblock this?
[23:30] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:mount | pastebinit
[23:30] <rafting> ActionParship: ndiswrapper doesnt work for vista drivers i think?
[23:30] <eternaljoy> DasEi: http://pastebin.com/f1c9e7cd2
[23:31] <jrib> sadam: weird.  Here I have it set to: [shortname=mixed,utf8,umask=077,exec,flush,uid=]
[23:31] <almark> Is there anyway to keep ubuntu from overwriting my gentoo grub  loader? That is what this is all about, I don't want it to overwrite my Gentoo grub MBR.
[23:31] <eternaljoy> DasEi: it doesnt look like its mounted does it?
[23:31] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:nope
[23:31] <nDuff> almark, why not? Just add a menu option to your new ubuntu grub.conf to have it load your gentoo grub.conf
[23:32] <eternaljoy> DasEi: but fstab says: /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,auto,exec,utf8 0
[23:32] <nDuff> almark, ...or go in and switch it to work the other way 'round after the install is done.
[23:32] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:muharr
[23:32] <eternaljoy> DasEi: reinstall Ubuntu is only answer u think? :(
[23:32] <nDuff> almark, ...heck, set up each of the grub.conf files to have a menu item to load the other OS's one, then it doesn't matter which one is default.
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> eternaljoy: try: sudo mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0
[23:33] <heret1c> the whole permissions/groups system in ubuntu is not userfriendly - on a single-user system, it's a form of mawkish auntyness to deny the user access to his own bloody mobile!!!
[23:33] <eternaljoy> ActionParsnip: that command says: mount: No medium found
[23:33] <onetinsoldier> almark: you could just edit the menu.lst file in your gentoo system
[23:33] <\slash> what do u guys recommend for torrent dls?
[23:33] <almark> :nDuff I have installed Ubuntu, but I didn't install the ubuntu grubloader, I just wanted to used Gentoos but if its this much trouble man I'll just install over it with Ubuntu grub loader
[23:33] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:it all seems like the switch inside the cdrom isn't recocnized properly, but you can in this (new) state boot a cd ??
[23:33] <vladtsepesh1984> somebody can help me using synce???
[23:33] <agoole> I did sudo apt-get remove firefox, but its still there, how do I remove it and reset all settings ?
[23:33] <KevinJohnson> \slash, I use Transmisson (sudo apt-get install transmission)
[23:33] <sadam> jrib: setting that key didn't help
[23:33] <eternaljoy> DasEi: (new) state boot a cd ??
[23:34] <Octoroks> i got a newb question :)
[23:34] <\slash> awesome i'll try it kevin
[23:34] <jrib> sadam: you unmounted and unplugged your key and plugged it back in?
[23:34] <\slash> thanks
[23:34] <eternaljoy> agoole: mozilla-firefox ?
[23:34] <ninulkin> здесь русско язычные есть?
[23:34] <Ratchet--> ok so
[23:34] <almark> :onetinsoldier that is what I want to do, but don't know what to type Ubuntu is different then Gentoo I dont know what ot type in menu.lst I need exacts.
[23:34] <eternaljoy> ninulkin: :P
[23:34] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:did you try a boot since this prob occurred ?
[23:34] <JohnRobert> #category5.tv , mark shuttleworth live on category5 technology tv (in half an hour) if anyone's interested.
[23:34] <agoole> eternaljoy: haha, i'm stupid,
[23:34] <Ratchet--> I need to know if you can resize/delete partitions
[23:34] <Ratchet--> after installed
[23:34] <Octoroks> How do you add and remove workspaces?
[23:34] <nDuff> almark, as I was saying, you can tell the Ubuntu grub to load the Grub grub's configuration file, so all the Gentoo items will be in its menu, (and visa-versa), so I'm not sure why it matters which bootloader is actually current.
[23:34] <eternaljoy> DasEi: boot?  i just rebooted yes
[23:34] <eternaljoy> agoole: :P
[23:34] <Ratchet--> Octoroks: Right click and properties
[23:34] <sadam> jrib: I just fixed some trouble I was having with nautilus drawing the background properly by finding an undocumented gconf key and setting it.  Is there a way to reinitialize my gconf store?
[23:34] <JohnRobert> sorry, #category5
[23:34] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:boot cd
[23:34] <nDuff> Ratchet--, it's possible, yes; easier when booted from CD.
[23:34] <eternaljoy> agoole: you are not stupid
[23:34] <JohnRobert> #category5 , mark shuttleworth live on category5 technology tv (in half an hour) if anyone's interested.
[23:34] <JohnRobert> :D
[23:34] <jesus_loves_you> Ratchet--: yeah you can resize/delete with the livecd and gparted.
[23:34] <Octoroks> ratchet--, thank you
[23:34] <almark> :nDuff I can't get into Ubuntu my menu.lst doens't know where it is.
[23:34] <sadam> jrib: yes
[23:34] <agoole> eternaljoy: argh, says its not installed ?
[23:34] <eternaljoy> DasEi: u want me to try to boot a CD?
[23:35] <kattollikisd> Hi I have a problem with my internet connection, the firefox say that the network is not found, but I talk already with the company of my internet... they told me that the connection is good with the computer but there is a host or a post that is block, how can I fix this? or Unblock this?
[23:35] <agoole> eternaljoy: but I can still open it
[23:35] <jesus_loves_you> !fixgrub | almark
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Octoroks: right click in the worspace preview thingy and go from there
[23:35] <Ratchet--> Even after installed?
[23:35] <eternaljoy> agoole: use Synaptic and search for firefox and remove?
[23:35] <agoole> eternaljoy: firefox is really buggy, so I can just to do a clean install...
[23:35] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:yes, to make sure it's not a mechanical drive failure
[23:35] <nnull> guys im trying to get my 64meg tnt ultra pro working on my TV, im using the nvidia legacy drivers, but whenever i try use the card on my tv, once it boots into login screen the screen is morphed and theres no mouse, and max is 60hertz.. any help?
[23:35] <jesus_loves_you> kattollikisd: can you ping your router
[23:35] <eternaljoy> DasEi: ok ill try thanks.
[23:35] <eternaljoy> bbl
[23:35] <almark> I have read that ulr thanks ubottu, but didnt tell me the answer.
[23:35] <jesus_loves_you> agoole: you can remove and reinstall firefox with   sudo apt-get remove--purge firefox && apt-get install firefox
[23:35] <nDuff> almark, so add a menu option to the menu.lst that *is* loaded that does "config (hd1,0)/grub/menu.lst", adjusted to point to the other one
[23:35] <jrib> sadam: you could recursively unset all your gconf keys, or just mv ~/.gconf ~/.gconf.backup and logout and back in
[23:36] <eternaljoy> DasEi: btw , if I need to reinstall Ubuntu 8;10, how I install it using inode 128 instead of inode 256?
[23:36] <Ratchet--> nDuff: jesus_loves_you Even after I installed Ubuntu already?
[23:36] <DasEi> almark: see:
[23:36] <DasEi> !bot
[23:36] <nDuff> Ratchet--, yes.
[23:36] <onetinsoldier> almark: it's ok that the tow are different. i did this same type of thing recently. have a linux on one drive, went and purchased another drive and installed linux on it. i did not want the grub that was already installed in my mbr to be overwritten. so i just edited my menu.lst file to add the new linux installation
[23:36] <Ratchet--> nDuff: I pop the CD in, then what?
[23:36] <onetinsoldier> two*
[23:36] <nDuff> Ratchet--, see parted, gparted, and friends.
[23:36] <eternaljoy> how can I install 8.10 using inode 128 instead of inode 256?
[23:36] <agoole> jesus_loves_you: is there a space ? remove --purge or can I just use purge ? like sudo apt-get purge firefox ?
[23:36] <nDuff> Ratchet--, googling gparted should give you anything/everything you need.
[23:37] <nDuff> Ratchet--, ...maybe "gparted ubuntu" to get more targeted results.
[23:37] <eternaljoy> !inode
[23:37] <jesus_loves_you> eternaljoy: why do you want to mess with inodes
[23:37] <Ratchet--> nDuff: So I download gparted on <windows or ubuntu> then put it in a CD and boot it?
[23:37] <nDuff> eternaljoy, pardon? Are you asking about the inode-to-block-count ratio?
[23:38] <eternaljoy> jesus_loves_you: because I use Acronis Trueimage and it can only backup inode 128 and doesnt support inode 256
[23:38] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:check the drive first, why changing inode ?
[23:38] <Scunizi> Ratchet--: what are you trying to do? why do you need a seperate copy of gparted?
[23:38] <eternaljoy> DasEi: because I use Acronis Trueimage and it can only backup inode 128 and doesnt support inode 256
[23:38] <jesus_loves_you> agoole: sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox
[23:38] <Ratchet--> Scunizi: i am trying to delete a partition and add the space that i am going to delete to ubuntu partition
[23:38] <jesus_loves_you> agoole: just like I typed it to you
[23:38] <eternaljoy> is there a way to install 8.10 using inode 128?   previous versions uses inode 128, but 8.10 uses inode 256
[23:38] <jesus_loves_you> Ratchet--: boot into the livecd and run gparted
[23:38] <nDuff> Ratchet--, I would expect the Ubuntu Live CD to have parted, gparted, or kparted
[23:38] <agoole> jesus_loves_you: ok thanks,
[23:39] <onetinsoldier> almark: i can't give you the exact lines you will need to edit into your current gentoo menu.lst. i could perhaps give you examples from mine own menu.lst to give you and idea tho
[23:39] <Ratchet--> nDuff: Okay I'll try. Brb.
[23:39] <agoole> jesus_loves_you: this should get rid of all the config files as well right ?
[23:39] <jesus_loves_you> almark: pastebin your menu.lst
[23:39] <eternaljoy> Acronis Trueimage and Ghost dont recognise inode 256, hence unable to backup partitions to image
[23:39] <jesus_loves_you> agoole: --purge yes
[23:39] <Scunizi> Ratchet--: so is ubuntu installed currently? if so then boot the live cd and go to System>Admin>Partition Manager (that's gparted built in)
[23:39] <gbear14275> anyone here familiar with using RAM as a disk cache?
[23:39] <agoole> jesus_loves_you: perfect thank you
[23:39] <almark>  http://rafb.net/p/aCUZR844.html
[23:39] <eternaljoy> anyone know? :)
[23:40] <jesus_loves_you> eternaljoy: I don't think that is quite true... we have acronis and ghost...
[23:40] <jesus_loves_you> eternaljoy: anyways you shouldn't be messing with inodes really
[23:40] <nDuff> eternaljoy, what "inode 256" means to me, with no other context, is an inode on your hard drive with inode number 256. I don't think that's what you want to communicate.
[23:40] <Scunizi> eternaljoy: you might look at "partimage" .. a free alternative to Ghost and doesn't care about the inode
[23:40] <nDuff> eternaljoy, if you're referring to an ext3 tunable, there's probably a different name for it.
[23:40] <DasEi>  eternaljoy:it's to much hassle to me, I'd use dd or tar , maybe rsync for backups, but test your drive first....
[23:40] <eternaljoy> jesus_loves_you: its true and I asked Acronis whpo confirmed it.  It can backup, but only sector by sector, because inode 256 isnt supported yet
[23:41] <jesus_loves_you> eternaljoy: sorry this is foreign to me.    ghost4unix will do a bit by bit copy of your disk.  that's waht we use
[23:41] <jesus_loves_you> doesn't matter what filesystme
[23:41] <jesus_loves_you> or no filesystem at all
[23:41] <wigren> Hi all. Has any one noticed security updates being commented out after a fresh install of 8.04? I just installed and my sources.lst looked like this: http://pastebin.com/m25bf8781 It now looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m438e9163 But is that seems like a major security concern.
[23:41] <mastershihochief> http://i38.tinypic.com/qn6w4z.jpg<<<my problem; http://i33.tinypic.com/2rgnxw7.jpg<<< What it is when that tab isnt active
[23:41] <nDuff> eternaljoy, what's the tune2fs flag associated with this "inode 256" setting?
[23:41] <eternaljoy> jesus_loves_you: I dont want a sector by sector or bit by bit, backing up 1 Terabyte HDD
[23:42] <almark> :jesus_loves_you If you didn't see this here it is again my menu.lst  http://rafb.net/p/aCUZR844.html
[23:42] <exodus_ms> eternaljoy, Partition Image or clonezilla can handle with 256-byte Inodes
[23:42] <jesus_loves_you> almark: I missed it hold on
[23:42] <nDuff> eternaljoy, better yet, do the folks who make this backup product have a knowledge base article you can link us to?
[23:42] <eternaljoy> nDuff: an inode is a data structure  and 8.10 uses inode 256, but previous versions use inode 128
[23:42] <eternaljoy> exodus_ms: i have Acronis which I use and paid for/.
[23:42] <eternaljoy> ok seems I need to instyall 8.04
[23:43] <eternaljoy> where can I get Ubuntu 8.04?
[23:43] <nDuff> eternaljoy, I know *exactly* what an inode is, probably better than you do. Filesystems have room for as many inodes as they can store files, which is why "inode 256" or "inode 128" makes very little sense.
[23:43] <jesus_loves_you> almark: ok that is pretty straightforward.  now pastebin your ubuntu menu.lst
[23:43] <exodus_ms> !download
[23:43] <eternaljoy> nDuff: no need to be so condescending :(
[23:43] <nDuff> eternaljoy, "256-bit inodes" makes sense. "inode 256" does not.
[23:43] <jesus_loves_you> nDuff: cmon you can make that leap of faith
[23:43] <rafting> is ndiswrapper in the bootloader or it hs to be downloaded separately?
[23:43] <almark> :jesus_loves_you lol man that is my problem I don't have one.
[23:43] <eternaljoy> suffice to say... 8.04 backs up using Acronis,, 8.10 doesnt, because they use different inodes
[23:43] <anto9us> eternaljoy, http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[23:44] <eternaljoy> anto9us: ty
[23:44] <eternaljoy> if I install 8.04, do Ubuntu still release secutiry updates for 8.04?
[23:44] <exodus_ms> eternaljoy, there is another link above... :)
[23:44] <Ratchet--> nDuff: Where on the CD do i findthis-.-
[23:44] <almark> :jesus_loves_you when I installed Ubuntu, I made sure it would not overwrite my Gentoo MBR so I check do not install bootloader no bootloader no Ubuntu menu.lst
[23:44] <anto9us> eternaljoy, yes, it's LTS (long term support)
[23:44] <Ratchet--> nDuff: when I boot it I see nothing to do with gparted
[23:45] <Sweetandy> the PPC alternate install disc couldn't detect my CD drive *after* starting installation *from* the CD drive. Ah well. 'Nutha reason to stick with Debian 8 /
[23:45] <eternaljoy> exodus_ms: ty :)
[23:45] <tankpunk> hi all
[23:45] <eternaljoy> anto9us: cheers :)
[23:45] <nDuff> Ratchet--, once you're booted up and at the command line, is gparted an available command?
[23:45] <exodus_ms> !hi
[23:45] <nDuff> Ratchet--, ...or kparted, or just parted?
[23:45] <tankpunk> !hi
[23:45] <eternaljoy> I will install 8.04 then, that way I can still make Acronis Trueimage backup images
[23:45] <Ratchet--> nDuff: I boot the live CD and there's the list of things to do, Install ubuntu, test without installing etc
[23:45] <nDuff> Ratchet--, right; you want to select "test without installing"
[23:46] <jesus_loves_you> nDuff,  eternaljoy,  reference this:  http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.40.5
[23:46] <exodus_ms> eternaljoy, you can use 8.10 with free backup utilites that can handle 256 inodes
[23:46] <Ratchet--> nDuff: k and after that then ?
[23:46] <jesus_loves_you> nDuff,  eternaljoy,  Mke2fs will now create new filesystems with 256 byte inodes and the ext_attr feature flag by default.
[23:46] <nDuff> jesus_loves_you, excellent; thanks.
[23:46] <eternaljoy> jesus_loves_you: Mke2fs will now create new filesystems with 256 byte inodes , but I want 128
[23:46] <lamouille> salut
[23:46] <almark> Does anyone have a default Ubuntu menu.lst  if you do could you please post it I need it thanks.
[23:46] <jesus_loves_you> eternaljoy: what you want is a better backup solution :)
[23:46] <rafting> seriously is ndiswrapper always necessary or I can sometimes get away without it?
[23:46] <nDuff> eternaljoy, if you do the filesystem creation manually, you should be able to pass the appropriate flags to mke2fs
[23:46] <Scunizi> Ratchet--: if it's not under System>Admin>Partition manager then open a terminal and type .. sudo apt-get install gparted.. after install it will appear on the menu or you can start it with .. gparted
[23:46] <zimbres> What is the comand to format a pen-drive?
[23:47] <eternaljoy> jesus_loves_you: what I want is 8.10 using 128 inode :)
[23:47] <jesus_loves_you> almark: mine is here:  http://pastebin.com/f57a95839
[23:47] <exodus_ms> !wi > rafting
[23:47] <exodus_ms> !wifi rafting
[23:47] <almark> :jesus_loves_you thanks :)
[23:47] <rafting> can I download a correct driver for my card instead?
[23:47] <exodus_ms> forget it :)
[23:47] <jesus_loves_you> eternaljoy: it seesm like you could use reiserfs and it would still be 128
[23:47] <nDuff> eternaljoy, ...ie. -O '^ext_attr' to turn off ext_attr, and "-I 128" to use 128-byte inodes
[23:47] <Octoroks> i try to extract a file to / and it says i don't have the pirmission to?
[23:48] <exodus_ms> sudo
[23:48] <fosco_> Octoroks: extract it to your home folder
[23:48] <qcjn> hi'i've changed something in the xorg.conf,in the section screen, defaultdepth. Now the graphic seems to work ok. Except that i don't now what i've done. And i really like to know ?
[23:48] <jrib> Octoroks: why would you want to extract to /?  What are you doing?
[23:48] <jesus_loves_you> eternaljoy: you should be able to use the previous 8.04 or 7.10 live cd, format your drive, make the partitions, then install 8.10 and tell it do not format
[23:48] <nDuff> jesus_loves_you, seems like overkill; I don't know Ubuntu's partitioning UI during setup by heart, but Red Hat's had a field to type extra parameters for mke2fs for *ages*; I can't imagine something similar isn't available.
[23:48] <jrib> qcjn: man xorg.conf   and
[23:48] <jrib> !x > qcjn
[23:49] <fallore> My firefox window is giving me a lot of trouble. When I open it is is maximized full screen (an on top of the top and bottom panel) and missing the title bar containing the minimize, maximize and close buttons. All methods of resizing it (Alt + Shift, Alt + Click, F11, etc) that I've tried thus far have failed. Can anyone help me restore my FF back to normal?
[23:49] <Octoroks> jrib, why wouldn't i?
[23:49] <jrib> Octoroks: because that's the package manager's job
[23:49] <jabop> In evolution, if i read mail, it doesn't sync to other clients that have the same address (ex: iphone, gmail web iface). how can i enable this? ubuntu 8.10
[23:49] <almark> :jesus_loves_you that is a big menu.lst lol thanks again
[23:49] <nuts> hi, my acer aspire 5520 webcam no longer works, it was working fine when i first installed ibex.. i'm sure i have not uninstalled any cam drivers... but now all apps that uses cam gives me no cam found..
[23:50] <qcjn> htanks
[23:50] <zimbres> What is the comand to format a pen-drive?
[23:50] <jesus_loves_you> eternaljoy: so get a legit backup software.  if you're paying for acronis they should step up
[23:50] <jrib> zimbres: gparted
[23:51] <JohnRobert> #category5 , mark shuttleworth live on category5 technology tv (in 9 mins) if anyone's interested / www.category5.tv
[23:51] <anto9us> zimbres, use gparted, select the device and create a partition of using the filesystem you want, FAT32 is usual for pendrives as Windows et al. can read that natively
[23:51] <nnull> guys im trying to get my 64meg tnt ultra pro working on my TV, im using the nvidia legacy drivers, but whenever i try use the card on my tv, once it boots into login screen the screen is morphed and theres no mouse, and max is 60hertz.. any help?
[23:51] <jrib> JohnRobert: please don't do that
[23:52] <albert_fish> hi imhaving problems installing grub while on a live cd,the standered directions are not working .
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[23:55] <jesus_loves_you> net split ?
[23:55] <jesus_loves_you> it just got real quit in here
[23:55] <anto9us> albert_fish, as I recall, that can happen if it's not the first drive you're installing to, you have to explicitly tell it which drive to use and it's easy to miss that little prompt
[23:55] <zimbres> anto9us, I do not know the name of the device. Where do I find it.
[23:56] <mastershihochief> <<<needs x org help still XD
[23:57] <anto9us> zimbres, in gparted there's a dropdown box that lists the devices, it's probably the smallest one in that list.
[23:58] <Ratchet--> ok i got gparted
[23:58] <Ratchet--> hm?
[23:58] <Ratchet--> is this right room -.--
[23:58] <mastershihochief> lol
[23:58] <onetinsoldier> hi all. would anyone like a little snowy christmas with santa's sleigh in your x windows? i have fixed up the Makefile for the very old xsnow program if you want it! won't work with all window managers tho. won't work with kde nor xfce and i'll bet not in compiz either. xsnow be very old but it's still a great X amusement for this time of year!
[23:59] <Ratchet--> I need help deleting right partition
[23:59] <KevinJohnson> haha, yeah, Christmas coming...
[23:59] <eternaljoy> will 8.04 automatically pick up and mount DVD drives?
[23:59] <catmando> so, here's a question
[23:59] <onetinsoldier> yeah!
[23:59] <Ratchet--> Nduff:?
[23:59] <catmando> if I want to set up an encrypted LVM, do I created the encrypted volume first and the LVM in that