[20:37] <colonelqubit> Went to upgrade a 12.04 system to 14.04 and didn't get an LTS upgrade prompt. Did some digging and found out that the servers won't be ready for that hop for another 3 months -- what gives?
[23:15] <blkperl> colonelqubit: they usually wait for the first point release
[23:16] <blkperl> so 14.04.1
[23:17] <colonelqubit> yeah, looks like you can get around it via the command line: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125392/why-is-no-new-release-found-when-upgrading-from-a-lts-to-the-next


[00:11] <rrnwexec> i'll be here to talk about UCW (Ubuntu Community week) for about 30 mins
[00:16] <rrnwexec> we're still looking for volunteers
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <dholbach> thanks jcastro
[08:03] <nigelb> Morning dholbach
[08:04] <nigelb> Morning dpm
[08:04] <dpm> nigelb, good morning
[08:04] <dpm> morning all
[08:11] <dholbach> hi nigelb, hola dpm
[08:14] <dpm> hey dholbach
[08:44] <dholbach> cjohnston, mhall119: what do you think about having a session at UDW (in ~3 weeks) about using ubuntu-django-foundations?
[08:44] <dholbach> I think if more people used it, it'd soon get more features, more help, and so on
[08:44] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable still has a few open slots
[09:17] <kim0> morning
[09:18] <nigelb> hello kim0
[09:18] <kim0> nigelb: o/
[09:19] <nigelb> ^^ the slacker is awake :P
[09:21]  * kim0 crunches Inbox
[09:22] <nigelb> heh
[09:22] <nigelb> kim0: in dublin yet?
[09:44] <kim0> nigelb: nope
[09:44] <kim0> I fly on Sun
[10:17] <nigelb> kim0: ah, nice
[11:11] <czajkowski> Aloha
[11:40] <jono> kim0, great to see two graphics volunteers :-)
[11:40] <kim0> jono: yeah I actually got three more over email :)
[11:40] <jono> nice!
[11:40] <jono> put those folks to work :-)
[11:40] <kim0> yeah!
[11:40] <kim0> yeah .. will define a few graphics that we need and ping you .. then act
[11:41] <jono> np
[11:41] <kim0> cool
[11:41] <jono> good work!
[11:42] <jono> wow virtualbox is nailing my machine right now as I install 11.10
[11:57] <popey> jono: ssd?
[11:57] <jono> popey, nope
[11:57] <jono> steam powered IDE
[11:57] <popey> jono: get ssd, HTH HAND
[11:57] <jono> I might invest in an SSD
[11:58] <jono> this is only a temporary issue, I will upgrade to Oneiric after the sprint
[11:58] <popey> @)
[11:58] <jono> :-)
[13:24] <jcastro> dholbach: see how I roped in mark russell?
[13:24] <jcastro> \m/
[13:24] <dholbach> jcastro, awesome work
[13:24] <dholbach> just replying to him! :)
[13:26] <nigelb> jcastro: did you move to cjohnston and mhall119's state yet? ;)
[13:27] <jcastro> nope, next month
[13:28] <nigelb> Oh, nice :)
[13:33] <cjohnston> nigelb is just jealous
[13:36] <nigelb> cjohnston: I have better weather, thank you ;)
[13:37] <dholbach> cjohnston, mhall119: what do you think about having a session at UDW (in ~3 weeks) about using ubuntu-django-foundations? :)
[13:37] <cjohnston> i dont know much about -foudations dholbach
[13:37] <nigelb> I coudl take a generic one on all the web projects
[13:37] <dholbach> cjohnston, ok
[13:38] <nigelb> but I want to talk to Mike first.
[13:38] <dholbach> I think it'd be good to get it used by more people, so it can be improved, extended and so on
[14:04] <mhall119> dholbach: it's not really ready to be used yet, unfortunately
[14:42] <dholbach> mhall119, ok, I see
[15:33] <jcastro> jono: ok I figured out how to fix the theme and I upped to Oneiric, it's in pretty good shape if you want to upgrade
[15:34] <jono> jcastro, I am running Oneiric in a VM and struggling with 3D which sucks
[15:34] <jcastro> ah
[15:38] <doctormo> jono: VirtualBox?
[15:38] <jcastro> I think you need the guest extensions
[15:39] <jono> doctormo, yup
[15:39] <jono> jcastro, I installed those
[15:39] <jono> I think it is a 3.0.1 kernel issue
[15:39] <doctormo> Yep
[15:39] <jcastro> oh
[15:39] <jcastro> that makes sense
[15:41] <jcastro> dholbach: hah dude, check this out
[15:41] <jcastro> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/unity-stats/
[15:41] <jcastro> top graph, yellow line, can you tell me where in June the DX bug triager intern started? :)
[15:41] <jcastro> jono: ^^^ interesting to you too
[15:42] <jono> jcastro, hah!
[15:47] <dholbach> NICE
[15:52] <dholbach> jono, We fought crime.
[15:53] <jono> dholbach, lol
[15:53] <jono> :-)
[15:53] <nigelb> jcastro: We should have one of these http://davidwboswell.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/the-mozilla-community-directory-is-coming-soon/
[15:53] <dholbach> :-)
[15:53] <jcastro> nigelb: I thought the exact thing when I saw it on RSS
[15:53] <jcastro> and then I was like "yes, just what we need right now, another project."
[15:53] <kim0> looks cool indeed
[15:54] <nigelb> jcastro: \o/ :)
[15:54] <nigelb> jcastro: We should have a session next UDS ;)
[15:54] <jcastro> I'm delete guy remember? I'm the one trying to get rid of things. :p
[15:54] <jcastro> dholbach: Got time for a quick call today?
[15:54] <dholbach> jcastro, sure, now?
[15:55] <jcastro> sure, let me pause my music
[15:55] <nigelb> jcastro: Yeah, but you get rid of things that don't make sense :D
[15:55]  * jcastro is listening to Linkin Park, for real.
[15:55] <dholbach> yeah, probably better pause it :-P
[15:55]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[15:55] <nigelb> is there fake Linkin Park? ;)
[15:56] <jcastro> no, I just didn't think anyone would believe me
[16:00] <jono> jcastro, linkin park?
[16:00] <jono> wow
[16:00] <jcastro> :D
[16:00] <jono> I didnt think you liked them?
[16:00] <jcastro> they had a new album I didn't know about
[16:00] <jono> I kind of dig them
[16:00] <jono> they are a dirty secret
[16:00] <jcastro> I love their new stuff
[16:01] <jcastro> they evolved from this yell-rock crap
[16:01]  * jono is listening to the Dropkick Murphys
[16:01] <jono> yeah
[16:01] <jcastro> drinking no doubt.
[16:04] <jono> no doubt.
[16:05] <jcastro> ok so it's decided.
[16:05] <jcastro> dholbach and I will make all decisions in the project from now on, we just had a call
[16:06] <dholbach> yeah, it's all figured out - keep calm & carry on
[16:18] <nigelb> jcastro: Also, we really really really need a quotes database like quotes.burntelectrons.org
[16:18] <nigelb> I'm tempted to do quotes.nigelb.me ;)
[16:18] <jcastro> focus!
[16:19] <nigelb> heh
[16:54] <Technoviking> jono: http://i.imgur.com/ibZQj.gif
[16:56] <jono> hah, I saw that Technoviking :-)
[16:59] <dholbach> alright my friends - I'll hop on a train and see you tomorrow!
[16:59] <jono> safe travels dholbach!
[17:00] <nigelb> jono: heh, I like the traversal of death mental on that.  :P
[17:00] <jcastro> woo dholbach!
[17:01] <jcastro> wow, that chart is amazingly accurate
[17:01] <jcastro> the dragon thing is awesome
[17:01] <jono> nigelb, I used to
[17:01] <dholbach> jono, thanks
[17:01] <dholbach> enjoy yourselves :)
[17:06] <Technoviking> Have to use RHEL instead on Ubuntu 10.04 on a new server since the software from the vendor can only use php 5.1 or 5.2, php 5.3 (in Lucid) break the vendors software. ^$!@*(#$^@!#
[17:06] <nigelb> Technoviking: there are ways to downgrade php
[17:07] <Technoviking> but no longer getting security fixes
[17:07] <nigelb> Technoviking: I had to do that once to install drupal. Its a bit of a pain, but personally, I found it worth the trouble.
[17:07] <nigelb> Ah, yes, true.
[17:19] <pleia2> Technoviking: have a moment for a PM?
[17:22] <mhall119> akgraner: ping
[17:23] <nigelb> mhall119: Hey, do you want to do a generic, "Helping develop the Ubuntu websites" session
[17:24] <czajkowski> s not looking forward to this task
[17:24] <nigelb> We already want some fresh blood for LD and summit
[17:24] <czajkowski> stupid iso codes
[17:24] <czajkowski> someone people are gonna get awful cranky mails from me
[17:24] <jono> jcastro, can we Skype quickly?
[17:26] <pleia2> Technoviking: nevermind
[17:28] <Technoviking> pleia2: sorry was afk,
[17:28] <pleia2> Technoviking: no worries, got what I needed storted :)
[17:33] <jcastro> jono: sure (sorry I was making lunch plans, ring me whenever)
[17:42] <mhall119> nigelb: when?
[17:42] <mhall119> czajkowski: yeah, iso codes and people rarely get along
[17:42] <nigelb> mhall119: one of the developer week days?
[17:43] <mhall119> nigelb: when?
[17:43] <nigelb> mhall119: July 11 to 15
[17:43] <mhall119> hmmm, I can probably make that
[17:43] <nigelb> anything othe than July 12th is fine with me
[17:43]  * nigelb wants a quiet birthday away from IRC
[17:44] <mhall119> good luck with that
[17:44] <nigelb> mhall119: Friday 15th, 1700?
[17:44] <mhall119> UTC?
[17:44] <mhall119> 1pm EDT
[17:44] <mhall119> I can do that
[17:44] <czajkowski> mhall119: :(
[17:45] <nigelb> \o/
[17:45] <nigelb> mhall119: I'll put as both down for it
[17:46] <nigelb> mhall119: Also, wiki switching to SSO looks awesome :)
[17:51] <mhall119> nigelb: see when cjohnston is available
[17:52] <nigelb> mhall119: let me first see if the wiki will let me in :|
[17:55] <czajkowski> mhall119: seriously I have issues getting to teams on loco.u.c
[18:02] <nigelb> mhall119: wiki is being unfriendly :\
[18:03] <pleia2> I had to try a couple times, it eventually logged me in
[18:04] <mhall119> czajkowski: I'm working on some optimizations
[18:04] <mhall119> but it might not gain much until we start implementing caching
[18:05] <paultag> mhall119: I can't imagine caching is the answer
[18:05]  * nigelb re-reads that sentence
[18:05] <paultag> mhall119: unless you're doing lplib calls on request, you're already caching against mysql
[18:05] <mhall119> paultag: for that page, which is going to be static 99% of the time, it would help
[18:05] <paultag> mhall119: and you're updating the cache (mysql) on a cron
[18:05] <paultag> mhall119: I love saying this, but you're wrong
[18:05] <mhall119> paultag: yeah, but it's got some awful logic going into building the HTML
[18:05] <paultag> mhall119: the speedup to render all that as static vs mysql calls is not that much of a dent
[18:06] <paultag> mhall119: ugh, are you serious?
[18:06] <nigelb> mhall119: why is it slow again?
[18:06] <mhall119> yes
[18:06] <nigelb> don't tell me we have some render.py like magic/hell there :/
[18:06] <mhall119> nigelb: lots of looping
[18:06] <paultag> mhall119: ugh, why?
[18:06] <nigelb> argh.
[18:06] <mhall119> it's better than it was
[18:06] <mhall119> and I have some additional cleanup
[18:06] <paultag> that does not mean it's good
[18:06] <paultag> aye
[18:06] <paultag> mhall119: you should consider ripping the DB with a single SQL call and rendering it out
[18:07] <paultag> single loop, O(n) order
[18:07] <mhall119> it used to be O(n^n) before I did the first optimizations months ago
[18:07] <mhall119> wait no, O(n^2)
[18:07] <mhall119> still bad though
[18:07] <pleia2> loco council people - how long should it take for us to get a response about our team banner? I sent our team request to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in aprile
[18:07] <paultag> if I *ever* wrote O(n^n) code and did not need it, I'd not push it
[18:07] <pleia2> -e
[18:08] <nigelb> a french pleia2 ;)
[18:08] <paultag> pleia2: I have no idea. That's canonical. I don't recall seeing you on the list we just rcvd. Try emailing cez
[18:08] <pleia2> cez?
[18:08] <nigelb> cz[tab]?
[18:08] <paultag> pleia2: Cezzaine Haigh
[18:08] <czajkowski> nigelb: >:( please don't call me that
[18:08] <nigelb> paultag: I totally thought you misspelled
[18:08] <pleia2> paultag: have email address?
[18:08] <paultag> nigelb: I don't do that :)
[18:08] <czajkowski> pleia2: shipping has nout to do with us
[18:08] <paultag> pleia2: yeah, I'll PM it
[18:09] <nigelb> paultag: :)
[18:09] <mhall119> paultag: I think it's currently something like O(4n)
[18:09] <nigelb> czajkowski: sorry.
[18:09] <pleia2> czajkowski: sorry, it was unclear who<EMAIL_ADDRESS>goes to, and if the loco council needs to approve it or whatnot
[18:09] <paultag> mhall119: that is O(n), you can ignore the slope
[18:09] <mhall119> paultag: true, but that's 4 hits to the DB too
[18:09] <mhall119> which you can't really ignore
[18:09] <czajkowski> pleia2: we got the lists and mailed canonical
[18:09] <nigelb> paultag: I have a question for you.
[18:09] <paultag> mhall119: but it's still growing at O(n), yes you can ignore it
[18:10] <paultag> mhall119: you can just consider 4 = 1, (those 4 hits being 1 call)
[18:10] <mhall119> reducing the db calls by 75% isn't somethign to sneeze at
[18:10] <paultag> mhall119: it's O(n). Trust me, I just did this for 4 years :)
[18:10] <paultag> mhall119: no, but it does not change the order
[18:10] <mhall119> yes, the algorithm is O(n)
[18:10] <nigelb> paultag: so you have X which is a list of lists, is it better to group it from the db or from the program.  Like 4 separate db requests vs one big request
[18:10] <paultag> nigelb: one big request is much better
[18:11] <nigelb> paultag: so, as far as possible try to reduce db calls when the dataset is the same length in total.
[18:11] <mhall119> nigelb: it depends on what you're trying to accomplish
[18:12] <nigelb> mhall119: Why does it matter? All I'm doing is grouping.
[18:12] <mhall119> don't do stuff in your code that the dbms is designed to do, like joins
[18:12] <paultag> nigelb: requests are expensive. If you can keep stuff running in the application's scope and runtime, it's generally much better
[18:12] <nigelb> mhall119: No, I'm not talking about that kind of stuff.
[18:12] <paultag> nigelb: BUT, stuff like sorts can be done much better in SQL
[18:13] <nigelb> mhall119: I have a set of data which needs to be grouped, much like our case. So, I can make 4 separate requests all grouped and stuff.
[18:13] <nigelb> Or I can make one request.
[18:13] <nigelb> *grouped individuall
[18:13] <paultag> nigelb: well, depends on a lot of stuff. Do you have some sort of group "ID" in SQL?
[18:13] <nigelb> paultag: yes
[18:14] <paultag> nigelb: one request per is actually going to be your friend. Breaking up the table will suck
[18:14] <mhall119> if you sort it by group id in the SQL, you'll be able to process it in one pass
[18:14] <nigelb> paultag: so far, I was doing the one request thing and caching that request for 1 hour.
[18:15] <nigelb> mhall119: yup, I'm sorting by group and then picking out ones with group as necessary.
[18:15] <paultag> nigelb: because you'd have to either bicect the list O(logN) if it's more then two, you'd have to go down the list O(n), where SQL can do it pretty much in O(1) time, based on how it stores the data
[18:15] <nigelb> paultag: Now I'm confused. You suggested I bisect the list or not bisect the list?
[18:16] <nigelb> the number of groups is always < 10
[18:16] <nigelb> s/</>
[18:16] <mhall119> nigelb: what are you trying to do?
[18:16] <paultag> nigelb: if it's the case where you have sorted data, you can find the break in logN time
[18:16] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, I think you're overthinking this
[18:16] <nigelb> paultag: my dataset is huge :(
[18:16] <mhall119> no need to brag
[18:16] <nigelb> every bit of time saved is BIG SAVE.
[18:16] <paultag> Programmers waste enormous amounts of time thinking about, or worrying about, the speed of noncritical parts of their programs, and these attempts at efficiency actually have a strong negative impact when debugging and maintenance are considered. We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil. Yet we should not pass up our opportunities in that critical 3%.
[18:17] <paultag> -- CS Jesus, Donald Knuth
[18:17] <mhall119> +1
[18:17] <nigelb> This isn't premature.   ALso, that makes it run in O(0)
[18:21] <nigelb> paultag: I wish I had logs of my *first* conversation with you
[18:21] <paultag> mhall119: that's just a segfault, yeah?
[18:22] <paultag> nigelb: woohoo :)
[18:22] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, me too, man
[18:22] <paultag> nigelb: I don't think ubt-dev was logged
[18:22] <mhall119> paultag: I think segfault is still O(1)
[18:22] <nigelb> paultag: nope, it never was. Maybe nhandler has logs of it.
[18:22] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, I guess it sets up the program heap and stack then blows up
[18:22] <paultag> mhall119: /dev/null it is
[18:22] <paultag> nigelb: I wonder
[18:23] <mhall119> ha! I was right about something!
[18:23] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[18:24] <nigelb> mhall119: Finally! The wiki let me in!
[18:25] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams is the thing you want to optimise right?
[18:25] <paultag> nigelb: yeah, go fix moinmoin for us, please
[18:26] <nigelb> paultag: I am fixin a moinmoin wiki already! Ask pleia2!
[18:26] <paultag> nigelb: o'rly?
[18:27] <nigelb> paultag: YES!
[18:27] <nigelb> :-)
[18:31] <Pici> I'm curious.  Since Ubuntu powers wikimedia, was there any pressure from them to change our wiki to mediawiki?
[18:31] <nigelb> I doubt.
[18:32] <nigelb> I've also noticed that Ubuntu is more Python based that PHP based.
[18:32] <nigelb> Except for Ubuntu.com on drupal and other websites using wordpress, everything else seems to be python
[18:33] <pleia2> I've joked with some of the wikimedia folks about it (their office is next door to where I live, so I bump into them often) but I don't know of any formal pressure
[18:33] <pleia2> we're all friends so long as we're all using an open source option ;)
[18:33] <nigelb> "we'll chuck ubuntu out of our servers if you don't switch to mediawiki tomorrow!" :-P
[18:36] <paultag> I like mediawiki
[18:36] <paultag> MoinMoin is so very bleh'
[18:36] <nigelb> I actually like PMWiki best.
[18:36] <paultag> it makes sense for a team of about 20 people, but not at Ubuntu-scale, sadly
[18:36] <mhall119> man, I should have switch readfeeder to postgres weeks ago
[18:36] <Pici> paultag: agreed.
[18:36] <paultag> mhall119: they're both SQL, just change your SQL abstraction layer
[18:36] <paultag> Pici: It's such a shame, really
[18:37] <mhall119> paultag: I did, django makes that easy
[18:37] <mhall119> I'm commenting on the performance boost
[18:37] <paultag> mhall119: yuppers.
[18:37] <paultag> mhall119: Oh yeah, for sure. PostgreSQL triggers rule too
[18:37] <nigelb> mhall119: wow, didn't know it was *that* different.
[18:37] <mhall119> nigelb: for massive writes
[18:37] <mhall119> MySQL+ISAM is great for read performance, but sucks at writes
[18:37] <paultag> mhall119: you can do some really nifty stuff. I was running a PostgreSQL daemon on my little ARM guys at my first job. I had them *hooked up*
[18:38] <mhall119> I may need to learn postgres replication at some point in the future
[18:38] <mhall119> if I'm lucky
[18:39] <nigelb> mhall119: What I *love* about postgres is its hot backup capability.
[18:39] <nigelb> There's a lot file which can be rsynced every 5 minutes for hot backups.
[18:39] <paultag> there's not too much to hate about PostgreSQL
[18:39] <nigelb> mysql bin logs are icky.
[18:39] <nigelb> I'm going to have to stay up tonight to clean that up
[18:40] <mhall119> it used to by that updating all 250 feeds would spike my CPU and make apache unresponsive for a couple minutes
[18:40] <paultag> mhall119: you should really have it do that smartly
[18:40] <mhall119> now, with postgres + some code optimization, It barely slows it down
[18:40] <mhall119> paultag: I should, yes, it's on my list
[18:41] <paultag> mhall119: you should have a daemon that grinds in the background, then if you're real fancy you can get some AJAX longpoll stuff going against it, and have new posts pop up as they enter the DB
[18:41] <paultag> mhall119: just poke a batch of feeds every few seconds or something
[18:41] <mhall119> paultag: my UI has no ajax fanciness
[18:41] <paultag> mhall119: shame
[18:41] <paultag> mhall119: this also ain't AJAX, it's reverse ajax
[18:42] <paultag> mhall119: ajax usually blocks on client-side until an action, pokes the server, gets the response and posts it without a refresh
[18:42] <paultag> mhall119: what I'm talking about is blocking serverside until an action, poke the client and post teh response
[18:42] <AlanBell> comet feeds is what you want
[18:42] <paultag> AlanBell: that's what they call it, Comet, that's right
[18:43] <mhall119> yeah, I'll look at UI improvements in the future
[18:43] <nigelb> comet is increating the time progressively?
[18:43] <mhall119> right now I'm getting it working and stabilizing the backend
[18:43] <AlanBell> basically the server serves a page *really* slowly, but doesn't hang up the connection
[18:43] <paultag> AlanBell: I've been doing that with NodeJS forever now :)
[18:43] <nigelb> AH
[18:44] <AlanBell> it is how etherpad works amongst other things
[18:44] <paultag> AlanBell: the way I've implemented it is have the client in a while (true) { request() }, then clear out all requests every 30 seconds or so (that's about how long it takes for a browser to stop trying)
[18:44] <AlanBell> and the twitter streaming API
[18:44] <nigelb> AlanBell: I thought etherpad polled every x seconds
[18:44] <paultag> nigelb: hell no
[18:44] <paultag> nigelb: that would swamp a server
[18:44] <paultag> nigelb: this will poll N times a second if there are N updates in one second
[18:45] <paultag> nigelb: and it will idle at 2 requests a minute if you do it my way (no actions)
[18:45] <nigelb> ah, increase the time if there are no changes?
[18:45] <paultag> nigelb: no
[18:45] <paultag> nigelb: time "sleep" between polls is always 0 in this case
[18:45] <paultag> client → server (delay returning page until an action) → client, start over
[18:46] <paultag> so the client thinks the server is laggy, but it's just being smart
[18:46] <nigelb> ah
[18:47] <paultag> nigelb: comit, someone called it (another cleaning product, like ajax)
[18:47] <nigelb> AlanBell: paultag, mhall119, you and I should team up and form a consulting company :P
[18:47] <nigelb> We'd rock the web world :P
[18:47] <paultag> the first all-ubuntu consulting force? :)
[18:47] <AlanBell> we could call it libertus http://libertus.co.uk/
[18:48] <nigelb> paultag: yup
[18:48] <paultag> AlanBell: is that you?
[18:48] <AlanBell> paultag: yup, we are rebranding what was The Open Learning Centre
[18:48] <paultag> AlanBell: outstanding, well done.
[18:48] <nigelb> oh, that's why your twitter nick changed.
[18:48] <paultag> I still can't come up with a name for my LLC blob
[18:48] <AlanBell> but as we don't do much learning, and we are not a centre of anything the name wasn't working for us
[18:48] <AlanBell> nigelb: yup
[18:48] <paultag> AlanBell: aye
[18:49] <paultag> for a while I was onto something, but my ideas for names just sort of farted out, along with any chance of a snappy logo
[18:51] <paultag> OK, righto. I need to clean my house. I'll BBL. Good chatting, chaps.
[19:07] <mhall119> nigelb: we'd need a PM too
[19:12] <nigelb> wait, jono and dholbach bought costumes in a sex shop?
[19:12] <nigelb> that sounds like an interesting story
[19:13] <Pici> I always pick a weird time to look at irc channels.
[19:13]  * Pici gets back to work
[19:14] <nigelb> Pici: I pick a bad time to look at my feed reader :)
[19:44] <mhall119> I wonder if it was the shop by the hotel in Budapest
[20:43] <mhall119> oh wow, I made it on OMG! Ubuntu
[20:44] <nigelb> yay!
[21:35] <jcastro> Technoviking: about how long does it take to remove a post if I've clicked "report abuse"?
[21:37]  * AlanBell scrapes 40,000 pages of wiki
[21:38] <nigelb> heh
[21:58] <AlanBell> it seems to not like me doing that :(
[22:17]  * AlanBell finds scraping script trips up on viagra spam
[22:17] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/71c%0D?action=raw
[22:20]  * nigelb deletes
[22:26] <nigelb> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/71c?action=info
[22:35] <AlanBell> when I scoop the whole lot down I will grep it for viagra
[22:37] <greg-g> what happened to the ubuntu logo as the favicon for the wiki?
[22:38] <pleia2> /someone/ complained it was the wrong color so they took it away entirely
[22:38] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/favicon.ico
[22:38] <AlanBell> go there, it will refresh your browser and will be fixed
[22:38] <pleia2> oh, nice
[22:38] <AlanBell> browsers only ever instantly update a favicon when you don't want them to
[22:39] <pleia2> hehe
[22:39] <AlanBell> change it back and they cache it for weeks
[22:41] <nigelb> gosh, even visiting that page gave me the wrong favicon
[22:54] <AlanBell> Warning: You triggered the wiki's surge protection by doing too many requests in a short time.
[23:03] <popey> haha
[23:03] <popey> I filed a bug that the one on loco directory doesn't match the planet one
[23:04] <nigelb> popey: I think chris showed that to ivanka at UDS
[23:11] <mhall119> popey: what's different?
[23:12] <mhall119> oh, favicon, yeah
[23:15] <AlanBell> yeah, well they have no idea what colour orange it is supposed to be anyway
[23:15] <AlanBell> #dd4814 in hex, but they prefer pantone or cmyk
[23:16] <AlanBell> start from either of them and you are heading for fail, especially if you use a mixture of MacOS X and Ubuntu
[23:17]  * AlanBell scrapes 40,000 pages of wiki slightly slower than before
[23:30] <popey> grrrr
[23:30] <popey> why isnt it easy to disable ipv6 on ubuntu?
[23:30] <popey> it's needlessly complicated
[23:34] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?from=0&context=180&action=fullsearch&titlesearch=0&value=viagra
[23:34]  * AlanBell takes lots of viagra
[23:34] <AlanBell> off the wiki
[23:34] <nigelb> wtf
[23:35] <AlanBell> whole load of numbered attachments to things that are web pages you really don't need to view
[23:40] <paultag> AlanBell: jesus, 92 pages
[23:40] <paultag> gotta love spambots
[23:44] <AlanBell> I guess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BadContent doesn't apply to attachments
[23:44] <AlanBell> that one isn't spam btw, that is the moinmoin filter configuration page
[23:50] <AlanBell> ok, I think the remaining mentions of viagra are legit
[23:53] <AlanBell> in 33 hours or so I should have a copy of the wiki on my laptop (without attachments)


[20:37] <superm1> bryyce, or tjaalton can you guys subscribe https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvdpau/+subscribe to ubuntu-x?  There shouldn't be too much ever in the bug mail, but I think that's the most appropriate goto subscriber
[21:24] <bryyce> superm1, sure done


[00:11] <three18ti> Womkes, have you seen this? http://crunchtools.com/kvm-cluster-with-drbd-gfs2/
[00:13] <three18ti> it's RHEL not ubuntu, but maybe get you on the right direction; personally, I'm looking to CEPH to provide storage for my virtualization cluster.  For some reason I remember deciding that DRBD was not a good solution for KVM / Virtualization, I don't remember why OTTOMH...
[00:14] <three18ti> and actually, ATM I'm just using a mounted NFS share (on a private storage network) since CEPH isn't exactly production ready yet.
[00:16] <three18ti> Womkes, also see this DRBD MLA: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/drbd/users/19422
[00:17] <three18ti> anyway, that's just my $0.02
[00:30] <harushimo> anyone know to setup juju?
[00:30] <harushimo> I'm trying to learn the cloud network for ubuntu
[00:30] <harushimo> I'm getting a error message on vm that I don't understand
[00:31] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: any ETA on mysql-5.5 5.5.24 or 5.5.25 in quantal?
[00:32] <three18ti> !ask | harushimo
[00:32] <harushimo> !patience
[00:32] <harushimo> ok
[00:32] <harushimo> I'm not
[00:33] <three18ti> iow: a good question would be, "Hey, I'm setting up juju and I'm getting this error: http://url/to/paste/bin/with/error"
[00:33] <harushimo> the error message I'm getting is: Error Bootstrap aborted because file storage is not writeable: the supplied storage credentials were not accepted by the server.
[00:33] <harushimo> what credentials specifically are they talking about?
[00:33] <three18ti> looks like you have an incorrect password.
[00:34] <harushimo> for what
[00:34] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: I plan on doing a bit of mysql work this week
[00:34] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: was planning on it last week, but baby interrupted :)
[00:34] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: ah! yes, congrats :)
[00:34] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: have you seen this? http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2012/q2/493
[00:35] <three18ti> harushimo, https://lists.launchpad.net/maas-devel/msg00153.html seems relevant.
[00:35] <three18ti> specifically, "It looks like your maas credentials are out of date - can you check that the token you are using in the environments.yaml is the same as the one in the user preferences page?"
[00:36]  * three18ti guessing: I think this is your ssh-key. re: what credentials specifically are they talking about?
[00:36] <three18ti> harushimo, are you trying to use juju on top of MaaS or juju standalone?
[00:37] <harushimo> I'm using it on my top of maas
[00:37] <harushimo> am I not suppose to? I thought maas and juju were related
[00:37] <three18ti> no, you -can-, but you -can- also use juju by itself.
[00:38] <harushimo> I can either setup maas or juju
[00:38] <three18ti> not sure if it's important.
[00:38] <harushimo> that is important
[00:38] <harushimo> i'm working off this tutorial
[00:39] <harushimo> cloud.ubuntu.com
[00:39] <harushimo> its using maas and juju in virtual box
[00:39] <nealmcb> harushimo: the easies way to get started with juju is via ec2 or a local lxc container
[00:39] <harushimo> ec2 is amazon right
[00:39] <nealmcb> maas is for big deployments, last I looked
[00:39] <nealmcb> yes ec2 is amazon
[00:40] <nealmcb> but maas is intended to help folks who want to set up their own clouds using their own big hardware farms
[00:41] <harushimo> I want to setup my own cloud
[00:41] <harushimo> that is why I using maas
[00:41] <nealmcb> sounds good then, but you may want to learn about juju with a simpler setup first
[00:41] <harushimo> they are 3 technologies ubuntu is offering: maas, juju and open stack
[00:41] <harushimo> I got maas setup with no problem
[00:42] <harushimo> I can see my nodes
[00:42] <harushimo> juju is the one I'm having problems with it
[00:42] <harushimo> I think I need to tinker environments. yaml
[00:42] <harushimo> file
[00:42] <harushimo> thanks
[00:42] <harushimo> I'll be back
[00:42] <nealmcb> Got it.  I haven't tried maas, so don't quote me :)
[00:44] <harushimo> that is okay
[00:44] <harushimo> we are learning here
[00:44] <harushimo> hehe
[00:44] <harushimo> its a good thing. I'm just sharing my knowledge and problems.
[00:44] <harushimo> Seeing if anyone had the same experience and see how they solved it
[00:44] <harushimo> thank you
[00:44] <harushimo> you should try it
[00:45] <harushimo> I'm doing it as vm
[00:45] <harushimo> thank you
[00:45] <nealmcb> enjoy!
[00:45] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: yes I passed that along to jdstrand a while ago
[00:46] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: yeah, I know..I just mean it's public now
[00:47] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: good to know. I think debian stable is still vulnerable so I'll have to jump on that and get it updated
[00:48] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: I'm preparing updates for hardy-precise
[00:49] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: I was excited to take over mysql in Debian. Now I realize it was mysql doing the taking over.. ;)
[00:49] <mdeslaur> ehehehe
[02:22] <undecim> Alright, so I've got CUPS setup nice and peachy to print to a USB printer (HP Photosmart D5160), and test page prints fine from the http interface, but any remote printing from a Mac on the local network fails with 'stopped  "/usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups failed" ' according the server's http interface. Looking through the logs, I find "prnt/hpcups/HPCupsFilter.cpp 251: ERROR: Unsupported resolution". Any ideas how to fix?
[02:22] <undecim> (ubuntu 10.04, hpcups 3.10.2)
[02:23] <qman__> sounds like a configuration problem on the mac
[02:23] <qman__> wrong driver or invalid print settings
[02:23] <undecim> It's using a generic postscript driver... should I give the mac the ppd file?
[02:24] <qman__> I don't know anything about macs, but try to adjust the print resolution
[02:24] <undecim> Alright. I'll have a look on the mac
[02:28] <undecim> Doesn't even have the option (Macs also use CUPS, btw... it's written by Apple, after all)
[02:35] <qman__> well, I'm by no means an expert on the subject, but that's what that error tells me, it's trying to print with a resolution the printer or driver doesn't support
[02:35] <qman__> and IME that's a client side issue
[04:06] <JoeCoder> If I set /etc/courier/imapd-ssl/TLS_CERTFILE=/etc/courier/imapd.pem (the default), then I get a certificate warning when thunderbird tries to connect, because it's self signed.  That makes sense.  But if I comment it out or set it to a garbage value, thunderbird connects to the account and doesn't complain.  What's happening?
[08:41] <lynxman> morning o/
[08:42] <jamespage> morning all
[09:53] <sveinse> I've setup precise on a machine which are allocated static IP. However /etc/resolv.conf are blanked each time the machine is rebooted. Where should I put dns entries if not in resolv.conf?
[10:15] <rbasak> sveinse: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[10:39] <sveinse> rbasak: Thanks. Interestingly I didnt find this on google. They all talked about editing resolv.conf
[10:56] <rbasak> sveinse: no problem. The 12.04 release notes are a good place to start from.
[10:56] <sveinse> rbasak: Do you know BTW if its safe to reload the network while from an ongoing ssh connection?
[11:13] <soren> sveinse: "safe" is stretching it a bit, but if you've not changed the IP configuration (only DNS servers and stuff), it should be fine. I do it all the time.
[11:15] <lambda_engineer> hi there
[11:15] <lambda_engineer> i'm looking for the binary /usr/bin/star
[11:15] <lambda_engineer> but i cant't find the package containing it in 12.04
[11:15] <lambda_engineer> is star disappeared?
[11:18] <rbasak> I don't think star has even been packaged in Debian. I remember looking for it years ago.
[12:06] <kim0> Howdy folks, on a fully update 12.04, lxc-unshare is segfaulting like:   Jun 11 14:04:39 ubuntu kernel: [ 6417.921512] lxc-unshare[10991]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fc45d425a52 sp 00007fff770bebd0 error 4 in libc-2.15.so[7fc45d367000+1b3000]
[12:07] <kim0> can anyone reproduce or shed some light? hallyn o/  Thanks
[12:09] <kim0> Forgot to mention, that was: lxc-unshare -s NETWORK
[13:00] <hallyn> kim0: hm.   is there anything custom about your container?  how'd you create it?
[13:01] <kim0> hallyn: ubuntu is running under virtualbox
[13:01] <jamespage> Daviey, zul: is there already a FastCGI implementation in main?
[13:01] <zul> jamespage: umm....
[13:01] <zul> there should be
[13:01] <jamespage> zul, hmm
[13:01] <jamespage> thats what I though
[13:02] <hallyn> kim0: so that is separate from the nesting bug you just reported?
[13:02] <zul> apparently not
[13:02] <hallyn> kim0: regarding the nesting bug, i think stgraber has seen bugs like what you reported - he was asking jjohansen if there was still a apparmor/kernel bug
[13:02] <kim0> hallyn: I am running 12.04 fully updated under 12.04, and I noticed two bugs. lxc-unshare -s NETWORK segfaults, and trying to nest LXC containers breaks on packaging issues
[13:02] <jamespage> zul, no indeed
[13:03] <jamespage> lots of alternatives but....
[13:03] <jamespage> OK
[13:03] <kim0> hallyn: I disabled apparmor on host system
[13:03] <zul> jamespage: libapache-mod-fastcgi seems the most sensible
[13:03] <kim0> do I somehow need to disable on lxc  guests
[13:03] <hallyn> (are you sure you fully disabled it?  :)  it can be tricky)
[13:03] <jamespage> zul, from multiverse? I think not
[13:04] <zul> jamespage: oh i didnt see multiverse
[13:04] <hallyn> kim0: d'oh1  i just got the segfault in my plain laptop with lxc-unshare
[13:04] <zul> i wonder why its multiverse
[13:04] <kim0> hallyn: awesome :)
[13:04] <hallyn> kim0: have you file a bug for that?
[13:04] <jamespage> zul, libfcgi-perl appears to be munins favored implementation with libcgi-fast-perl (from perl source)
[13:04] <kim0> hallyn: yeah .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1011603
[13:05] <zul> jamespage: ack
[13:05] <Daviey> jamespage: all sorted?
[13:05] <kim0> hallyn: wasnt unsharing in linux 3.3, do ubuntu backport to 12.04 3.2
[13:05] <jamespage> Daviey, yeah - I think so - raising the MIR now....
[13:05] <hallyn> kim0: thanks
[13:05] <Daviey> super.. libapache-mod-fastcgi is what people use with django.
[13:06] <hallyn> kim0: gr.  wish i'd already had the apport info into lxc for precise
[13:06] <jamespage> Daviey, see comment above about location in archive of that package...
[13:07] <Daviey> jamespage: what is the need for this?
[13:07] <jamespage> Daviey, Munin 2.0.0
[13:08] <Daviey> jamespage: munin won't use wsgi?
[13:08] <jamespage> Daviey: hmm - no - thats python?
[13:10] <hallyn> kim0: in case it wasn't clear, the lxc-usnahre bug is argv handling.  Just do 'lxc-unshare -s NETWORK /bin/bash'.  Obviously that needs to be fixed though :)
[13:11] <kim0> hallyn: lol that simple, cool!
[13:11] <kim0> hallyn: If you don't mind, I'd like to pick your brain
[13:11] <kim0> hallyn: I'm trying to launch a combo 3 LXC containers (FW, Web, DB). This combo should be launched N times on the same host. The trick is, all Web and DB containers need to have the same hard-coded IPs. FW can have differing IP though
[13:12] <kim0> hallyn: I'm thinking of having Web+DB+FW on a bridge that lives in a separate network namespace
[13:12] <kim0> hallyn: would that be a good solution
[13:12] <kim0> FW lives on a "main" bridge with host
[13:13] <kim0> FW has 2 nics, one on the main bridge, and one on that hidden bridge living in a separate namespace
[13:13] <kim0> Thanks for any advice .. not sure if I'm overcomplicating things
[13:14] <hallyn> so each web container needs to have the same ip address, and each db contaienr as well?
[13:14] <hallyn> how would you differentiate, by incoming port # on the host?
[13:14] <kim0> hallyn: Yes they would
[13:14] <kim0> hallyn: they don't need internet connectivity .. we connect to console directly
[13:14] <hallyn> yeah that should be easy enough then
[13:15] <kim0> hallyn: cool, trying to implement that then
[13:15] <kim0> hallyn: another solution would have been to have Web+DB nested inside FW, but I hit that other bug :)
[13:15] <kim0> hallyn: Thanks a lot man
[13:17] <hallyn> kim0 - np, let me know if something about it is unclear
[13:17] <hallyn> kim0 - actually, you don't even need separate netns if you don't need the containers to have access tothe net
[13:17] <hallyn> kim0 - you can just create 3 bridges, one for each pair, and set 'lxc.network.link=brX' for each container appropriately
[13:17] <kim0> hallyn: but then those intermediate bridges connecting web+db+FW would all have the same IPs ?
[13:18] <hallyn> no, the bridges could have different ips, only the web+db contaienrs woudl have same, but - I'm not *sure* - but i suspect that's fine if they're on separate bridges
[13:19] <hallyn> eh, do the namespaces.  then you're sure :)  ttyl
[13:20] <kim0> cool thanks
[13:37] <TheLordOfTime> you know, i wish bugs were reported in *english* :/
[13:41] <Daviey> zul: hey, can you establish if it makes sense to drop this as a build-dep of kombu, are make it MIR'ble by enabling tests? bug 1006715
[13:43] <Daviey> zul: s/are/or
[13:44] <zul> Daviey: yeah you got me confused for a sec :)
[13:45] <Daviey> heh
[13:47] <TheLordOfTime> if anyone's able to translate Bug 1011621, that'd be epic
[13:47] <TheLordOfTime> eek, more bugs :/
[13:47]  * TheLordOfTime sees 15 new bug notifications in his email
[13:51] <TheLordOfTime> oh, they're all dupes of another bug i already am in progressed on
[13:51] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs*
[13:52] <Daviey> zul: what is the difference between glance-client and glance-client?
[13:52] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: if it isn't obvious then just use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Not_reported_in_English and set to Incomplete
[13:52] <Daviey> err
[13:52] <Daviey> python-glanceclient
[13:53] <zul> Daviey:  glance-client is being deprecated
[13:53] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak: i'm lazyish xD  that, and that page times out
[13:53]  * TheLordOfTime blames firewalls
[13:53] <Daviey> zul: does it use the same binary names?
[13:53] <rbasak> "We noticed that some of the sentences in this bug report are not in English. If they were translated in English they would be more understandable to triagers. Could you please translate them?"
[13:53] <Daviey> (as in /usr/bin/glancefoo ?)
[13:53] <zul> lemme double check
[13:53] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak: thanks
[13:54] <TheLordOfTime> and done :)
[13:54] <zul> Daviey: dont think so
[13:54] <rbasak> What would be really nice is if Launchpad could reverse-translate based on the forward translations in its database :)
[13:55] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak: i know right?
[13:55] <TheLordOfTime> that'd be epic
[13:55] <TheLordOfTime> actually... in that bug i think it'd be incomplete anyways
[13:55] <TheLordOfTime> since there's no details about *why* its throwing the error
[13:56]  * TheLordOfTime did a rough google translate, and its a 'post-installation script returned error exit status 10' error
[13:56] <TheLordOfTime> and that can happen for god knows how many reasons
[14:04] <Milana> Hi, how to disable sending ICMP redirects in IPv6 ? There is no send_redirects parameter like for IPv4.
[14:06] <AceFace1> hello all! :)
[14:06] <Milana> there is no /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/send_redirects
[14:06] <AceFace1> is it possible to bond several network cards together, then assign mutiple IP addresses to the bond?
[14:16] <hallyn> stgraber: do you think bug 1007483 woudl be worth SRUing?
[14:18] <stgraber> hallyn: depends on the fix really, if it's small and easy to understand, it'd probably be worth sruing. We just don't want to risk regressions in there.
[14:20] <rbasak> zul: bug 1009996: one for you perhaps?
[14:20] <zul> rbasak: yeah i saw this morning...will get to it today
[14:20] <rbasak> thanks!
[14:21]  * rbasak subscribes zul to the bug
[14:24] <hallyn> stgraber: yeah, it's a three character fix i think :)
[14:24] <hallyn> it's just i'll be bundling it with 3 others so rejects will suck, but whatever, i'll just line it all up and see hwo it goes
[14:25] <stgraber> hallyn: 3 character fix is definitely sruable ;)
[14:30] <hallyn> changing locales, biab
[15:50] <Daviey> zul: can you lobby to get openstack sru's into -proposed asap?
[15:50] <zul> yeah
[15:51] <Daviey> super
[15:51] <Daviey> kirkland: I see there is a screen 4.0.3-14ubuntu8 -> 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-2 merge pending... Is this something that interested you?
[15:51] <zul> Daviey: should i talk to the sru people
[15:53] <zul> bdmurray: ping
[15:53] <Daviey> zul: good thinking
[15:54] <bdmurray> zul: hi
[15:55] <zul> bdmurray: hi, i just uploaded glance, nova, and keystone are sitting ready to be accepted into proposed, can that be done today or soon please?
[15:56] <Daviey> bdmurray: precise-proposed.
[15:57] <bdmurray> zul: I'm in a virtual sprint today but will try and look it later today
[15:58] <zul> bdmurray: thanks
[16:12] <bitfury> hi, I'm trying to install the MegaCli utility under ubuntu (squeeze) following this doc: http://www.keyboardmadness.com/2010/11/article-lsi-megaraid-and-ubuntu.html , but I don't see squeeze under http://hwraid.le-vert.net/ubuntu/
[16:14] <bitfury> can I use intrepid or hardy?
[16:16] <RoyK> bitfury: intrepid isn't supported anymore, and hardy only has another 10 months of support.
[16:18] <RoyK> bitfury: and last I checked, squeeze was a debian release, not ubuntu
[16:26] <bitfury> RoyK: mm ok, thought I could use them in debian =( just wasn't sure which one
[16:36] <RoyK> what is megacli?
[16:36] <LordOfTime> good question, i was wondering the same
[16:37] <RoyK> seems to be LSI MegaRAID cli
[16:37]  * RoyK hardly uses so-called hardware raid anymore
[16:39] <LordOfTime> i've got to figure out how to with Ubuntu Server, I've got a hardware SCSI RAID card in my server, and the drivers dont exist OOTB
[16:39] <RoyK> LordOfTime: what board?
[16:40] <LordOfTime> RoyK:  dont have the info offhand, i'll be back with that info later ;P
[16:40] <RoyK> lshw
[16:40] <LordOfTime> RoyK:  not at the box :P
[16:40]  * LordOfTime is on a laptop, and the server box is 200 miles away
[16:40] <RoyK> then there is preciously little we can do to help :P
[16:41] <LordOfTime> indeed
[16:41]  * LordOfTime has been busy
[16:41] <LordOfTime> actually, i'm more concerned about the NGINX CVEs, but i digress :P
[16:42]  * LordOfTime cant seem to actually build the packages to get debdiffs when the DEP3 patch tags are included in it
[16:42]  * LordOfTime blames evil systems
[17:18] <hallyn> stgraber: on quantal, lxc-netstat appears to hang
[17:19] <stgraber> hallyn: confirmed
[17:19] <hallyn> last apparently meaningful thing i see in stgrace is
[17:19] <hallyn> 25703 <... wait4 resumed> 0x7ffff32efa2c, 0, NULL) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted)
[17:19] <stgraber> hallyn: also, I noticed that at least my nesting apparmor profile is wrong on quantal, we don't use /usr/lib/lxc/root anymore (we instead use the multiarch path)
[17:20] <hallyn> oh yeah.  i don't like that tbh.  i considered leaving it at /usr/lib/lxc/root, but that complicates the packaging a bit...
[17:21] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, also, why is "lxc-netstat" not giving me the usage on quantal?
[17:22] <hallyn> oh no, wait.  lxc-netstat forks off a pid which exeve()s lxc-netstat, which gets a SIGINT right before the parent does wait4()
[17:23] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, strace -fF lxc-netstat shows some kind of loop here
[17:25] <hallyn> stgraber: i think there' sa typo there
[17:25] <hallyn> it says 'if -z $exec, then lxc-unhare ... $0'
[17:25] <hallyn> presumably that should be -n or ! -z :)
[17:26] <hallyn> hm.  not quite
[17:27] <hallyn> oh i see it
[17:28] <hallyn> somebody decided to change $name to $lxc_name, but not everywhere
[17:36] <hallyn> stgraber: actually both of the bugs in lxc-netstat are introduced in the debian patch
[17:36] <smoser`> kirkland, bug 1010873 was opened today and is related to bug 1010505 that i opened last week.
[17:36] <hallyn> (debian/patches/07-lxc-netstat.patch)
[17:37] <stgraber> hallyn: fun...
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> smoser: those bugs don't reference each other, perhaps you should add the related bug's information to the new bug?
[17:38] <TheLordOfTime> (for those of us who check bugs but don't normally check to find relateds)
[17:39] <adam_g> zul: i didn't realize this never made it into keystone stale/essex, i've resubmitted here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/8403/
[17:39] <zul> adam_g: grrr
[17:40] <adam_g> zul: is keystone already in -proposed?
[17:40] <zul> adam_g: uploaded it a couple of hours ago needs to be accepted
[17:40] <smoser> TheLordOfTime, mentioned one from the other.
[17:44] <Daviey> zul: i can reject keystone if you want, but we are close to never releasing!
[17:44] <zul> Daviey: no i think we need to release
[17:44] <Daviey> adam_g: is this release critical ?
[17:44] <TheLordOfTime> smoser: i didnt see that, :)
[17:45] <adam_g> Daviey: well
[17:45] <adam_g> Daviey: depending on database, you may not be able to delete users
[17:45] <Daviey> zul: ?
[17:46] <adam_g> its a 1 line change, if you want to release without it, we can SRU it separately
[17:46] <zul> Daviey: reject the upload and ill cowboy it in
[17:46] <Daviey> zul: carefully distro-patch, whilst maintaining quality.. right?
[17:47] <zul> Daviey: yes
[17:48] <smoser> TheLordOfTime, thats because i hadn't done it when you said that. :) i was responding, saying "yes, good idea, i did that just now".
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> smoser: :)
[17:49] <Daviey> zul: if we can land it upstream first, would be better.. but in any case, lets get it in the archive today, one way or another
[17:49] <TheLordOfTime> smoser: and i dont mean to be picky, its just that when someone other than I who saw the reference to each bug here is taking a look, the related bugs arent tagged there :)
[17:49] <zul> agreed
[17:50] <Daviey> rejected btw
[17:50] <TheLordOfTime> (having said this, when triaging comes into play, its useful to have related bugs listed)
[17:50] <Daviey> zul: what is the deal with the 1.1's?
[17:50] <zul> which 1.1?
[17:50] <Daviey> ahh, these are before the discussion
[17:50] <Daviey> keystone was 1.1
[17:50] <zul> ah
[17:51] <Daviey> glance is 2.2
[17:51] <Daviey> etc
[17:51] <Daviey> no biggy
[17:56]  * TheLordOfTime points at a disconnect in that information:  "New bug" vs. "High, In progress"
[17:56] <TheLordOfTime> is the bot breaking again
[17:59] <zul> Daviey:  just doing a test build
[18:00] <adam_g> zul: these errors mean anything to you? https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/gate-keystone-pep8/1281/console
[18:01] <zul> adam_g: no
[18:03] <smoser> TheLordOfTime, sorry for being dense.  but what did you mean by "related"?
[18:04] <smoser> is there some specific launchpad "related bugs" entity/list?
[18:04] <TheLordOfTime> smoser: [13:36] <smoser`> kirkland, bug 1010873 was opened today and is related to bug 1010505 that i opened last week.  <-- that statement
[18:04] <TheLordOfTime> SHUT UP BOTS
[18:04] <smoser> right, but then you said "the related bugs aren't tagged there"
[18:05] <smoser> what did "tagged there" mean?
[18:07] <TheLordOfTime> s/tagged/mentioned/
[18:07] <TheLordOfTime> smoser: mistyped
[18:07]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[18:07] <TheLordOfTime> well, that means its time for COFFEERUN
[18:10] <jjohansen> hallyn: I am not aware of any apparmor/kernel bugs that could be affecting lxc, I talked to stgraber and he wasn't sure who was at fault and wanted to do some more testing before kicking anything over to me
[18:10] <stgraber> jjohansen: yeah, doesn't look like we have any apparmor bug affecting us at this time. People tend to blame apparmor first though for any case where we get a permission denied/operation not permitted :)
[18:11] <zul> Daviey: ok uploaded
[18:11] <jjohansen> stgraber: well I can't blame them, it has been that way
[18:11] <jjohansen> :/
[18:18]  * Pehden|Away is away: Pehden|Away
[18:20]  * TheLordOfTime returns with iced coffee
[18:41] <zul> hggdh: ping
[18:48] <Pehden> i discovered command "watch -n 0.1 tail -100 /var/log/apache2/access.log" But i want it to not show when there are connections from local host.
[18:50] <Pehden> http://www.howtoforge.com/setenvif_apache2
[18:50] <Pehden> followed but not sure where i can add this to cover the whole server
[19:00] <hallyn> stgraber: trying to build lxc source package on lucid, i get :
[19:00] <hggdh> zul: pong
[19:01] <zul> hggdh: does the qa team have something to testing automated upgrades?
[19:02] <hallyn> DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is not a supported variable name at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 214.
[19:02] <hallyn> hm.  guess the error didn't show
[19:02] <hallyn> weird.  my client is acting up too
[19:02] <hggdh> zul: like https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/ ?
[19:02] <hallyn> oh well, i'm curious why it's happening but i'll work around it fornow
[19:03] <zul> hggdh: yeah4
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> isnt that a dupe of another bug...?
[19:06] <TheLordOfTime> could have sworn i saw another mysql CVE bug that references that CVE
[19:07] <hggdh> zul: so, then answer is... yes :-) we could extend it to server
[19:07] <stgraber> hallyn: lucid didn't have multiarch
[19:07] <zul> hggdh: right i want to extend it to a couple of scenarios for openstack upgrades
[19:08] <hallyn> stgraber: sure, but i'm just doing bzr bd -S in a quantal tree on lucid.  surely that should be supported
[19:08] <hallyn> heh.  sounds like no
[19:08] <arooni-mobile> how do i disable mysql from auto starting on ubuntu 12.04?
[19:08] <hallyn> all right, sru justification time :(
[19:09] <stgraber> hallyn: well, bzr bd -S should still be running a debhelper that's >= the one mentioned in debian/control, debian/compat
[19:09] <hallyn> stgraber: oh then perhaps we need to update those numbers for lxc
[22:28] <stgraber> hallyn: just saw the new SRU in -proposed. Didn't you want to bundle the dnsmasq fix?
[23:15] <hoster222> hey all
[23:16] <hoster222> anyone here who i could talk to?
[23:17] <hoster222> anyone here who i could talk to?
[23:18] <blendedbychris> anyone have a decent article on how to test ldap-pam auth… i vaguely followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication
[23:18] <hoster222> i ruined pam while trying this and excluded myself from logging in ;-D
[23:19] <blendedbychris> ya i was smart enough not to uncheckunix auth heh
[23:19] <hoster222> yeah
[23:20] <hoster222> well you could also use kerberos, works fine for me
[23:20] <hoster222> if your connected to a windows dc maybe..
[23:23] <blendedbychris> this is ldaps
[23:23] <blendedbychris> not sure


[00:12] <nu7shell> Hi people
[00:14] <knome> hello
[00:43] <pencilandpaper> Hi nu7shell .
[00:45] <nu7shell> Hi!
[00:45] <nu7shell> Hey, im having this trouble with my usb flashdrive
[00:46] <nu7shell> So happened that my laptop went off when i was given format to this usb.
[00:46] <nu7shell> Now it doesnt shows anymore when plugged.
[00:46] <nu7shell> Not even blink any led that have my usb.
[00:47] <nu7shell> I believed that its dead, but i ran dmesg | grep usb and this is what i get
[00:47] <nu7shell> https://dpaste.de/10Xj
[00:47] <nu7shell> So, i think that it might have any solution.
[00:48] <nu7shell> This is my only USB flashdrive, and i wont get another soo, so i really need it.
[00:48] <nu7shell> soon*
[00:51] <slee> hello, trying to help someone online with installing xubuntu, they have it installed, they can view their slave drive(even repartitioned it in gparted), but they still can't copy files to it, says 'paste' is greyed out in menu...any ideas what could be causing this?
[00:54] <mrkramps> nu7shell, have you tried another usb port?
[00:55] <nu7shell> mrkramps, yep, nothing happened.
[00:56] <mrkramps> nu7shell, do you have another usb stick to check?
[00:57] <nu7shell> mrkramps, nop, this is the only one i have.
[00:57] <mrkramps> nu7shell, do you have another operating system to check the one you have?
[01:00] <mrkramps> nu7shell, your system fails to enumerate the usb device properly which might have different reasons - port, stick, power or kernel bug
[01:02] <nu7shell> mrkramps, i have tried it on a windows machine too, and it doesnt even recognize it.
[01:02] <nu7shell> mrkramps, it says unknown device.
[01:03] <mrkramps> in this case it is most likely a hardware issue
[01:04] <mrkramps> if other usb devices work on the same port consider your stick to be dead
[01:05] <nu7shell> Thats what i thought
[01:05] <nu7shell> Thanks anyways mrkramps
[01:05] <nu7shell> :)
[01:05] <mrkramps> you're welcome
[04:19] <tortib> I'm looking for a laptop that will run Linux
[04:19] <tortib> doesn't need to have major hardware, a decent i7 will do the trick
[04:20] <well_laid_lawn> most laptops will run linux fine tortib
[04:20] <tortib> ok
[04:20] <well_laid_lawn> never came across one that wouldn't
[04:20] <tortib> well I have a Mac Pro 3,1
[04:20] <tortib> i want to install Xubuntu on that
[04:20] <tortib> will it work?
[04:20] <well_laid_lawn> lets have a look on the web
[04:21] <tortib> says it will run Ubuntu 14.04
[04:21] <well_laid_lawn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro3-1/Trusty
[04:21] <well_laid_lawn> says that too so later version of any *buntu should be fine
[04:21] <tortib> hm nice
[04:21] <tortib> so I just download the xubuntu image and install?
[04:22] <well_laid_lawn> have a read of the link I posted first to check
[04:22] <well_laid_lawn> but it should be fairly straight forward
[04:23] <well_laid_lawn> here's the wiki for that laptop https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro3-1
[04:23] <tortib> well I'm using appleraid
[04:23] <tortib> and I don't think I can resize the volume
[04:24] <tortib> let me try really quick
[04:24] <well_laid_lawn> the arch wiki is always a handy thing https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook
[04:25] <tortib> yeah doesn't work with this stupid appleraid
[04:25] <tortib> can I just boot the CD from the boot selector and just install it to one of the SSDs I have?
[04:27] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know about apple products at all
[04:27] <tortib> I guess I could TIAS
[04:27] <tortib> System Uptime: 11 hours, 49 minutes, 32 seconds - Textual Uptime: 11 hours, 49 minutes, 7 seconds
[04:27] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[04:27] <tortib> can I install Enlightenment from Xubuntu?
[04:28] <tortib> been wanting to try the new enlightenment
[04:28] <well_laid_lawn> sure you can
[04:29] <tortib> have you tried their latest version?
[04:29] <tortib> Is it any god?
[04:29] <tortib> good*
[04:29] <well_laid_lawn> no I haven't played with it in ages
[04:49] <tortib> well_laid_lawn what is a good email client for linux?
[04:49] <tortib> oh I can use thunderbird I guess
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> tortib:  that's what I use
[04:54] <tortib> i need to somehow test this ableton push in ableton while in wine
[04:54] <tortib> i sure do hope it works :(
[13:28] <xubuntu851> no me funciona el audio via hd
[13:28] <flocculant> !es | xubuntu851
[14:54] <xubuntu36w> help
[14:54] <xubuntu36w> Xubuntu doesn't support Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
[15:09] <dkessel> xubuntu36w: ... ah nvm...gone
[17:40] <pavlushka> Hi every1


[05:27] <czajkowski> for those who do videos this may be useful https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-videos-captions
[05:27] <czajkowski> jono: ^
[05:30] <jono> czajkowski, cool :-)
[05:31] <czajkowski> jono: how's the little 'un
[05:32] <jono> czajkowski, he is awesome
[05:32] <jono> he keeps smiling and smiling :-)
[05:32] <jono> particularly when he loads up his nappy just before I am about to eat lunch in a restaturant today
[05:32] <jono> lol
[05:32] <jono> czajkowski, how are you doing?
[05:34] <czajkowski> not bad, got jon to book us a few days away next weekend in torquay
[05:34] <czajkowski> have it in my head I want to go there, kept hearing about it growing up so trying to cross off English places to visit :)
[05:34] <czajkowski> plus want to see Fawlety towers
[05:34] <jono> nice!
[05:35] <jono> will be a nice break :-)
[05:35] <czajkowski> aye, :-)
[05:35] <jono> alright, I better run, early night for me
[05:35] <czajkowski> toodles
[05:35] <jono> after a late night last night
[05:35] <jono> Jack's first night in a hotel
[05:35] <czajkowski> aww
[05:35] <jono> night!
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:03] <nigelb> Good Morning dholbach!
[08:03] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[08:37] <philipballew> hello Ubuntu people!
[09:05] <dholbach> dpm, hi Alter - wie war der urlaub? :)
[09:06] <dpm> hey dholbach, gut, sehr gut :)
[09:06] <dpm> Und wie lauft's hier?
[09:07] <dholbach> auch gut :)
[09:26] <popey> \o/ fixed.. linux-image*extra was missing
[09:31] <vibhav> my blog doesn't feed to planet
[09:31] <vibhav> weird
[09:31]  * vibhav remembers pushing his commit to ubuntu planet lp
[09:55] <philipballew> Anyone wanna upvote?
[09:55] <philipballew> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1ayrvc/ubuntu_hour_san_diego/
[09:56] <philipballew> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ayrvx/ubuntu_hour_san_diego/
[09:56] <philipballew> http://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/1ayrw6/ubuntu_hour_san_diego/
[09:59]  * philipballew awaits getting to the front page!
[10:22] <czajkowski> philipballew: hey if you're free some evening this week or next week want to get cracking on the join action items
[10:30] <czajkowski> dholbach: if a user wants to bring up a discussion on something technical such as pulseaudio, which list is best
[10:30] <dholbach> ubuntu-devel-discuss@ probably?
[10:31] <czajkowski> thanks
[12:16]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[12:16]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[12:17] <dholbach> dpm, you might have seen some other mails as results of the CC catch up with the translations team - it was a super productive meeting
[12:17] <dpm> dholbach, I've seen bits of it. Pierre Slamich seems to have taken on some tasks, which is awesome. Who else was there?
[12:18] <dholbach> dpm, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/21/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[12:18] <dholbach> teolemon, hannie, YoBoY, cqfd93, trijntje and others
[12:20] <dpm> dholbach, great. Also, if CoC v2 has landed in LP do you have superpowers to update the code in LP? It seems the old version is still in trunk. If the new one is merged into trunk then I should be able to update my branch and then send a mp for an i18n'ized CoC
[12:20] <dholbach> let me check
[12:22] <dholbach> dpm, done
[12:24] <dpm> dholbach, cool
[15:01] <jono> dpm, all set?
[15:01] <dpm> jono, yep
[15:01] <jono> dpm, I am there
[15:02] <dpm> jono, ok, there in a sec
[15:02] <jcastro_> jono: we still have a conflict with my moved call and the call I am on now, I figure we can sort it in ~30 or whatever?
[15:03] <jono> jcastro_, oh I thought that conflict was for that specific day
[15:03] <jono> jcastro_, so it needs to be 30mins later?
[15:03] <jcastro_> it seems this call is weekly
[15:03] <jcastro_> yeah
[15:03] <dpm> jono, sorry, having problems with logging into g+, will be there in a minute
[15:03] <jono> dpm, np
[15:06] <dpm> jono, argh, sorry, I'll try again
[15:06] <jono> dpm, np
[15:07] <jono> jcastro_, ok, I will move it back by 30m
[15:08] <jcastro_> jono: oh wait
[15:08] <jcastro_> oh no, I got mixed up, nm.
[15:08] <jcastro_> <-- ignore me, the 30min delay is correct
[15:19] <jono> jcastro_, cool
[16:04] <jono> cjohnston, hey
[16:04] <jono> around?
[16:05] <cjohnston> hey jono otp.
[16:05] <jono> cjohnston, quick question: is there a way in which I can see a monthly milestone by team in status.u.c?
[16:05] <jono> I want to see monthlies by team and individual
[16:06] <cjohnston> I'm being asked the same question by multiple people in multiple channels.. :-/
[16:07] <cjohnston> Not to my knowledge jono
[16:07] <jono> cjohnston, ok, we need to build this
[16:07] <jono> cjohnston, who is your boss?
[16:07] <cjohnston> pgraner
[16:07] <jono> cool
[16:30] <jono> jcastro_, gonna be a few mins late, wrapping an email
[16:31] <dholbach> dpm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite does not seem to mention app development yet - I'm not sure if we should squeeze it on http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-contribute-developers
[16:31] <jcastro_> jono: no worries, I'm hanging out
[16:32] <dholbach> dpm, I'm currently leaning towards mentioning it on the "development" page, and linking to a separate page and mention it on the main page as separate point as well of course
[16:32] <dholbach> dpm, what's your opinion?
[16:33] <dpm> dholbach, on a call, can we catch up on this and a couple of other things tomorrow morning?
[16:33] <dholbach> dpm, sure
[17:28] <jono> dpm, dholbach, balloons, jcastro_, mhall119 hey
[17:29] <jono> see the email I just sent re. monthly planning
[17:29] <jono> it is urgent
[17:29] <jcastro_> got it
[17:29] <jcastro_> and ack!
[17:30] <dholbach> jono, yep, got it
[17:30] <dholbach> jono, will do it first thing tomorrow
[17:31] <jono> cheers
[17:32] <balloons> read and excited :-) this week is definitely head down, hands on keyboard
[17:36] <dholbach> all right my friends
[17:37] <dholbach> got to go - dinner time!
[17:37] <dholbach> HUGS!
[17:38] <dpm> jono, ack
[17:38] <chilicuil> bom apetite dholba.ch"
[17:39] <dholbach> chilicuil, muito obrigado
[17:40]  * mhall119 lunches
[18:00] <jono> jcastro_, heh
[18:01] <jono> Newsted is playing his first show 2 miles from my house
[18:01] <jono> not surprising, he lives here
[18:09] <jcastro_> and you're not going?
[18:09] <jcastro_> well, I'd make him shave first
[18:10] <jcastro_> That phil guy told me how to solve my getting-a-print-of-old-metal-shows for my mancave btw.
[18:10] <jcastro_> basically he was like, no photographer will respond to you, they sell to the bands not you, rip the page out of the book and have it blown up
[18:35] <jono> jcastro_, I am probably gonna go
[18:36] <jono> brb
[18:39] <bkerensa> jcastro_: any news on the booth?
[18:40] <pleia2> bkerensa: with canonical paying for the booth, will any of the standard loco contributors to it be able to get in?
[18:40] <pleia2> or is it just canonical folks this time?
[18:41] <pleia2> since the loco has always run the booth, it would be ashame to be shut out this year just because canonical is buying a booth
[18:41] <bkerensa> pleia2: idk jcastro had asked if we had volunteers available and I said we would indeed since we have ran the booth for a few years now
[18:41] <pleia2> (other locos have encountered this in the past, and it's very troubling)
[18:41] <bkerensa> yeah
[18:41]  * pleia2 nods
[18:41] <bkerensa> in speaking with Sharon at O'Reilly she indicated that Canonical had already paid for the booth but I have heard nothing as of late
[18:42] <pleia2> yeah
[18:55] <jcastro_> bkerensa: I'm checking up on it
[18:56] <jcastro_> I thought it was just like last year except we got you the nice booth this time?
[18:57] <bkerensa> jcastro_: oh ok well that works then
[18:57] <bkerensa> :)
[18:57] <jcastro_> that was my understanding anyway, I asked for details
[18:57] <bkerensa> jcastro_: if you watch Sons of Anarchy then "I accept that"
[18:57] <jcastro_> iirc you said you had the people so we pulled the trigger
[18:57] <bkerensa> jcastro_: we always have the people :P
[19:03] <PabloRubianes> jono, ping have a minute?
[19:06] <jcastro_> bkerensa: ok so Canonical already has a booth in the businessy OpenStack section
[19:06] <jcastro_> so we should be fine
[19:07] <jcastro_> jono: Robbie said to ping you wrt. to the ubuntu booth at oscon though, seeing if you were wanting to do something with mobile?
[19:08] <bkerensa> jcastro_: Yeah if we had a demo phone I would be interested in doing demos during the expo days
[19:09] <bkerensa> jcastro_: will those who come down to man be getting passes? In the past the non-profit booth is usually  3 passes or so
[19:09] <bkerensa> im sure that can be figured out later
[19:11] <bkerensa> jcastro_: would also be happy to talk about Juju if we have some of the material from last year available
[19:11] <jcastro_> I'll have handouts and shirts again
[19:11] <jcastro_> and I will have at least 2 N7's for use.
[19:11] <bkerensa> kk
[19:11] <jcastro_> I dunno about the passes, waiting for a response on that
[19:12] <bkerensa> kk


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[02:04] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: HAHAHA Yeah, bringing the bridge back that has been down since August.
[02:06]  * OvenWerks has a stock answer "irc works"
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[02:07] <ThomasWard[m]> *burps for no apparent reason other than to annoy people*
[02:08] <ErichEickmeyer[m> 10/10 @teward001
[02:08] <ThomasWard[m]> ErichEickmeyer[m: Test Failed, please rerun tests by running sudo retry-test-force
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[02:08] <ThomasWard[m]> :P