[07:43] <user|32382> HI
[07:44] <user|32382> Hello
[10:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:24] <ryks31792> hello.have issue to install kubuntu on win 10
[10:25] <ryks31792> maded all the partitions corectly
[10:25] <ryks31792> but doesn t start
[10:25] <ryks31792> on boot ot s jumps directly to 10
[10:29] <BluesKaj> ryks31792, installed Kubuntu beside W10? Did you disable secure and fast boot in the UEFI/BIOS?
 @ryks31792, You need to set the boot order
 You can load  kubuntu by entering BIOS
[11:23] <ryks31792> no
[11:23] <ryks31792> i didn t
[11:24] <BluesKaj> didn't what?
[11:24] <ryks31792> from the grub menu when i click kubuntu ,it s take me to win 10
[11:26] <ryks31792> if i remamner well in ubuntu ,has a option -says install ubuntu side by side with win 10
[11:26] <ryks31792> kubuntu does nt have that chioce
[11:26] <Kon-> ryks31792, to configure a dual boot with Windows, it's best to arrange your disk partitions yourself
[11:27] <ryks31792> i did
[11:27] <ryks31792> googled on youtube
[11:27] <ryks31792> i will try again
[11:27] <ryks31792> i miss linux
[11:28] <ryks31792> ok,must go .see you soon on the other side i  hope
[11:31] <Kon-> I thought the "side by side" option automatically created a single partition and added an MBR entry
[11:32] <Kon-> I don't know if that would work properly on UEFI
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Kon-, it used to , but since UEFI/Bios the /boot UEFI partiton has replaced it
[11:34] <Kon-> Cool, that keeps it easy. But I'd still never trust an installer to autosize my partitions
[11:34] <BluesKaj> also depends on your BIOS. ...my MSI mobo has a hybrid which can use either UEFI/GPT or BIOS /dos..very cool
[11:35] <BluesKaj> yeah , i always prepartition , then use maunual partitioning during the install
[11:37] <austin316> Hi all. just trying out the RC for 18.04. Is any there any way to make GTK emacs work with the global menu applet? The menus show up within the window.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> however the auto-install did work properly on my laptop with UEFI/GPT
[11:39] <BluesKaj> austin316, GTK emacs inb kubuntu?  why?
[11:39] <Kon-> I was going to be nice and not say anything, but my thoughts exactly
[11:40] <Kon-> Kubuntu doesn't seem like the type of distro I'd associate with a hardcore emacs user
[11:41] <austin316> BluesKaj: emacs doesn't support Qt. It's a GTk (or terminal) application
[11:41] <austin316> Kon-: "hardcore", lol. it's a text editor.
[11:41] <Kon-> I use Kate :)
[11:42] <BluesKaj> austin316, yes I understand that, but are you on Kubuntu or Ubuntu , seems you might want to ask that question in #ubuntu
[11:43] <Kon-> I think he's in Kubuntu and emacs isn't working as expected with global menu in Plasma
[11:43] <austin316> Kon-: yes exactly
[11:44] <quaru> Yeah, ut I imagine a lot of people in here won't know.  :p
[11:44] <diogenes_> austin316, send as a screenshot of it
[11:46] <BluesKaj> whoa, i don't even see emacs in the Bionic menu
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Most users use Kate afaik, emacs is foreign to most home users I think
[11:49]  * diogenes_ uses gedit with all the appropriate extensions
[11:50] <austin316> diogenes_: here's a screenshot https://imgur.com/a/TWtAZFa
[11:51] <austin316> diogenes_: it's not that dire :) I was just wondering if this was an known bug.
[11:53] <diogenes_> austin316, I guess that kind of global menu does not support emacs
[12:14] <BluesKaj> it's odd austin316, I recall emacs in the kmenu, but it's no longer there, obviously not installed by default either
[12:18] <austin316> BluesKaj: it's in Discover. A full install of emacs is around 100MB, so it's not suprising it wouldn't come by default.
[12:19]  * BluesKaj nods
[12:36] <austin316> *facepalm* it's not just emacs, it's all GTK programs. Shows how extensive KDE is :P
[12:36] <austin316> 18.04 will have 5.12 version of Plasma, and it seems 5.13 will add support for GTK in appmenu.
[12:40] <Kon-> austin316, now that you mention it, I believe that's correct
[12:40] <Kon-> Global menu is a relatively recent feature in its own right
[12:41] <BluesKaj> yes, Bionic has plasma 5.12 ..I'm running it
[12:41] <Kon-> You can get the bleeding edge Plasma version in Kubuntu with the Kubuntu backports PPA
[12:41] <Kon-> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[12:42] <austin316> Kon-: I'll have to add that to my list of things to try.
[12:42] <austin316> thanks
[12:44] <Kon-> I was going to tell him that beta doesn't hit for another 3 weeks
[12:46] <BluesKaj> he seems quite knowledgeable and on top of things, so I'm sure he's aware of the Bionic release date
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Kon-, what beta?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> the release date is actually in 3 days afaik
[12:48] <Kon-> Plasma 5.12.95, the beta for 5.13
[12:48] <BluesKaj> I see
[12:48] <Kon-> The feature he wants is new in 5.13
[12:49] <BluesKaj> well, it's not new...it's just back
[14:06] <CoJaBo> So, I installed the beta. So far, it's less buggy than 17.10 stable =D
[14:07] <CoJaBo> Display is only modestly corrupt with the nouvaeue driver, which made the install quite a large number of times easier lol
[14:09] <CoJaBo> main bug so far is there is still no sound support :/
[14:25] <kab0m> Hi together :)
[14:26] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo,which audio chip?
[14:27] <kab0m> As i am new to kubuntu/linux i just wondered if just install the 18.04 Beta 2 if i can then simply just update to the final lts release when its out at 26th of april or if i have to do some magic tricks or reinstall the system to get from the beta to the lts later on?
[14:27] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation CM238 HD Audio Controller (rev 31)
[14:28] <bodiro> kab0m: Install 18.04. beta, it will automatically update to the final version.
[14:28] <kab0m> Nice, i thank you very much for the info bodiro ;)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> kab0m, just keep updating/upgrading and the final release will be automatically installed
[14:29] <bodiro> kab0m: your're welcome
[14:29] <CoJaBo> kab0m: FWIW, for some reason, the "download updates" option in the installer didn't seem to download updates during installation; I had to do it manually afterwards. Not really a problem, just remember to do that on first boot
[14:29] <kab0m> perfect :) i really looking forward how linux will change my life. have a nice day everyone
[14:30] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, ok, open alsamixer in the konsole and disable automute on the far right for starters
[14:32] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: didn't see to do anything; what does that do, and does it take effect immediately or does it need something else?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, use the left/right arrow keys to navigate in alsamixer, the up down arrow keys to disable/enable the automute control
[14:34] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It shows disabled, but nothing seemed to happen
[14:35] <BluesKaj> then run sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel, and reboot
[14:36] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It looks like that's mainly for headphones tho?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> no, it's for all the audio outpts
[14:37] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: This is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1672822
[14:39] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, just run the above command and reboot, believe me
[14:39] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Is that specfic to that card? And if so, will it break automatically muting when headphones are plugged in?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> no, the autmute is enabled by default to prevent accidental overloading of your sound devices when booting your pc
[14:41] <BluesKaj> and your ears :-)
[14:43] <BluesKaj> when booting the pc for the first time after a new install
[14:44] <yawylnhly> hey how do you enable beta updates? like you could in the ubuntu software settings.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> just update and upgrtade normally if you run Bionic
[14:46] <BluesKaj> in kubuntu it's called discover
[14:46] <yawylnhly> yeah is there such an option there?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> software center
[14:48] <BluesKaj> are yolu on Bionic?, then updating and upgrading will bring you to whatever level the repos are at
[14:48] <yawylnhly> yep im on bionic.. thx :)
[14:48] <BluesKaj> right
[14:49] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: AFAICT, it doesn't do anything; is there a page saying it should fix output on this card?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> yawylnhly, there's a freeze on atm, normal for the week before the official release
[14:51] <BluesKaj> what doesn't do anything, CoJaBo?
[14:51] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Changing that setting; the problem remains
[14:51] <BluesKaj> have you turned up the controls in alsmixer and pavucontrol ?
[14:51] <yawylnhly> right.. btw why is qupzilla called falkon?
[14:52] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: In my case, I don't even get actual "sound" thru the subwoofer, mostly just static and clicking; which is probably because the volume is wrong for output to a subwoofer
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yawylnhly, no idea
[14:53] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, did you check the controls like I mentioned?
[14:53] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Yes
[14:54] <yawylnhly> ah its called falkon now I guess lol: There will be no more QupZilla releases, please switch to Falkon.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> make sure there's no MM in the boxes at the bottom, that means muted, CoJaBo
[14:55] <BluesKaj> in alsamixer
[14:55] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It's not muted; it's trying to output sound to something that isn't a normal speaker
[14:55] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1672822
[14:56] <yawylnhly> im not sure i understood properly, but I think you should make the right thing the default speaker @cojabo
[14:56] <CoJaBo> yawylnhly: That's the bug; there's no way to change that
[14:57] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, that's for 16.10 are you using 16.10?
[14:57] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Problem remains in 17.10 and 18.04
[14:58] <BluesKaj> I have the same intel driver, don't opbsess about an old bug that probly doesn't apply anymore
[14:58] <BluesKaj> I don't have it
[14:58] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: what does it show as in lspci for you?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> show me yours firrst
[14:59] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | CoJaBo
[14:59] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation CM238 HD Audio Controller (rev 31)
[15:01] <CoJaBo> There's a Realtek driver it's possible to load and hack, that will redirect sound to one of the rear channels, but the sound quality is still poor, mono, and it completely breaks headphones, so it's actually worse than the default one :/
[15:04] <CoJaBo> ..wow. this version of vlc can seek. this is amazing
[15:07] <BluesKaj> realtek uses the intel chip and driver ..now how are you connecting and what audio devices are connecting?
[15:09] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It's an Acer Predator 17 laptop, 4.1 builtin speakers
[15:09] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It works fine with headphones, but the internal speakers are not usable at all due to the bug.
[15:11] <BluesKaj> oh laptop audio is even worse on linux than regular pcs ...I should have asked sooner
[15:11] <CoJaBo> This is the only one I've ever had sound issues with :/
[15:12] <CoJaBo> Ironically, this is the first laptop I've had where I *didn't* have wifi issues <_<
[15:12] <BluesKaj> I don't even bother with the speakers on my laptop , just plugin a regular set of pc speakers , so i have no experience with that'
[15:13] <CoJaBo> I'm trying to get bluetooth ones to work, considering that bug is likely to never be fixed, but I can't for the life of me seem to get them to stay connected
[15:14] <CoJaBo> Tried 2 different speakers, and even borrowed some bluetooth headphones. It connects, but as soon as they're turned off or even left idle for a bit, they lose all track of pairing. Stupid..
[15:15] <CoJaBo> Anyway.. is there a way I can check to make sure automatic updates is off? It defaulted to on in 17.10, which breaks things horrificly; I can't remember where the setting is tho
[15:18] <BluesKaj> it's called unattended upgrades, but it's essentail to update/upgrade afew times /wk if you uninstall that
[15:18] <BluesKaj> for security updates/upgrades
[15:19] <CoJaBo> Since it requires a reboot, I need to do it manually; I can't just have the system randomly break without warning while I'm using it lol
[15:20] <CoJaBo> There was a setting to just turn it off, but I suppose uninstalling it is fine too and probably easier anyway..
[15:20] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:40] <tnss> hello
[15:40] <tnss> I am excited for 18.04
[15:46] <CoJaBo> Just installed it on my laptop
[15:47] <CoJaBo> was planning to wait to final, but somehow my 17.10 install got ruined this morning <_<
[15:48] <tnss> eh, my laptop has a damaged female charger port, and will take 1-3 weeks (they didn't say whether or not they were business days, if they are, then it would be 2-3 weeks, if not, 1-2 weeks. I might get Kubuntu 18.04 LTS when I get it back
[15:49] <tnss> I have a Dell Inspiron 15 5566 with a Core i3 2.3 GHz, 6 GB DDR4 RAM, a touch screen, resolution of 1366x768, and integrated Intel HD Graphics 620
[15:51] <tnss> I bet everyone who is on this IRC that uses Kubuntu would use the kubuntu-backports PPA
[15:52] <tnss> I saw the Kubuntu 18.04 LTS Second Beta
[15:52] <tnss> and the KDE Plasma desktop looks more custom
[15:53] <tnss> it comes with a custom "Kubuntu" workplace theme, that is less of the stock "Breeze" Theme, and more Breeze Dark
[15:56] <tnss> so for the next 10 days I am stuck with an old Compaq Presario CQ61 laptop
[15:57] <tnss> It has 2 GB RAM, has an AMD64 (it is really AMD) AMD Athlon II M320 Processor, with a resolution of 1366x768
[16:01] <CoJaBo> The dark theme looks really nice
[16:02] <CoJaBo> It's actually possible to tell which tabs are selected
[16:02] <tnss> yeah
[16:02] <CoJaBo> And the clock is readable
[16:02] <tnss> if only it had GTK integration (Firefox would match with the titlebar, instead of being white
[16:03] <CoJaBo> Also, the main menu logo doesn't default to some stupid swirly thing like 17.10 did
[16:03] <tnss> and it works better with apps than GNOME's Adwaita Dark, which can cause appearance problems with Firefox
[16:04] <CoJaBo> The file-section dialog for gtk is still horribly awful
[16:05] <tnss> Remember when KDE SC 4 was the most resource-hungriest DE out of all of them
[16:05] <tnss> even more than GNOME 3 and Unity
[16:06] <CoJaBo> I've never had problems with the main DE part being bloated. All the extra apps suck to have to remove/disable, but hey there's finally a minimal install
[16:06] <CoJaBo> Only thing I had to disable was search
[16:06] <tnss> you can see when you are transferring files in Nautilus with the Ambiance theme in Ubuntu 17.10 that it looks white at first
[16:07] <tnss> and gnome-sushi doesn't really look well on Ubuntu either
[16:07] <CoJaBo> I don't think I've used the file manager since KDE4 beta
[16:07] <tnss> Ubuntu Studio is essentially a bloated Xubuntu with extra modifications
[16:08] <CoJaBo> I don't even remember what the name of it is anymore lol
[16:08] <CoJaBo> Also, egads does xubuntu (xfce, whatever) suck <_<
[16:09] <tnss> it was called either d3lphin or Konqueror
[16:10] <tnss> the kde community doesn't really support konqueror anymore, at least until Kubuntu 14.04's support ends
[16:11] <CoJaBo> Konqueror sucked.
[16:11] <tnss> yeah
[16:11] <tnss> it is just as bad as Epiphany
[16:11] <CoJaBo> Glad they switched back to firefox lol
[16:12] <tnss> why does elementary even use it
[16:12] <CoJaBo> saves one more app having to manually install every single time
[16:12] <tnss> once their users figure out that they can't do much wiith it
[16:13] <CoJaBo> I hate that so many things do stuff when scrolled over in KDE
[16:13] <CoJaBo> That's my main annoyance with the default settings
[16:13] <acheronuk> CoJaBo: the stupid swirly thing is still there in the stock plasma themes, but I decided to replace it with the old 'K' gear for Kubuntu's
[16:13] <CoJaBo> acheronuk: Because the swirly thing sucks? :P
[16:14] <acheronuk> and the K could be KDE, but could be Kubuntu
[16:14] <tnss> the other thing i hate is that in order to actually game by enabling the touchpad while typing, i needed to install the xf86-synaptics-touchpad drivers
[16:14] <tnss> and remove the libinput ones
[16:14] <CoJaBo> I'm very happy its a K as default, because I was too lazy to change it myself on 17.10
[16:14] <tnss> and apparently the changes don't work until you reboot
[16:15] <diogenes_> tnss, it's not advisable to remove libinput
[16:15] <diogenes_> you just install synaptic and it will use it
[16:15] <CoJaBo> Libinput sucks.
[16:15] <tnss> oh, sory
[16:15] <tnss> my computer doesn't work well with them
[16:15] <CoJaBo> It can't middle-click on mine
[16:15] <diogenes_> CoJaBo, it might suck but nevertheless it's the future and synaptic is legacy already
[16:16] <CoJaBo> diogenes_: Would've thought that would be fixed by now, it's been a year :/
[16:16] <tnss> sure it is outdated, but it works better than libinput
[16:16] <tnss> for me at least
[16:16] <diogenes_> agree, synaptic works better for me too
[16:16] <CoJaBo> Sound has been broken now for 3 years on this chipset. Linux distros still don't care about laptop support :/
[16:17] <diogenes_> CoJaBo, I would not blame linux devs
[16:17] <diogenes_> I'd blame the manufacturers
[16:17] <tnss> except Ubuntu, they spoil Dell
[16:17] <diogenes_> they don't care about their customers freedom
[16:17] <diogenes_> I mean the manufacturers^^^
[16:18] <tnss> I think Dell only provides support for Ubuntu 14.04 and (ironically) 15.04
[16:18] <tnss> i checked the drivers page
[16:18] <diogenes_> just buy yourself a system76 and you gonna have everything boringly working just fine
[16:19] <tnss> except Pop!_OS kinda gives me a eyesore
[16:19] <tnss> bye
[16:19] <diogenes_> no one forced you to use pop os :)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> what laptops need is simple well designed analog audio output stage
[16:43] <ZetFury> does kubuntu release its lts same date as regular ubuntu?
 yes
[16:48] <BluesKaj> all flavours
[16:49] <ZetFury> ok thx
[18:00] <tnss> hi
[18:35] <R13ose> I am getting this dialog message to show up: Configuration file "/home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc" not writeable.  How do I fix this?
[18:37] <diogenes_> try: chmod 777 /home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc
[20:51] <tabu> Hello, does anyone know what's happening with http://hydrogen-music.org???
[21:47] <user|33664> hey is there anybody out there that can help me with a small problem?
[21:47] <user|33664> It is about ocamlfuse and a google drive
[21:48] <user|33664> i've already connected all, but i cannot make changes on my files. it says i am not allowed to change files
[21:58] <user|33664> ?
[22:46] <oerheks> maybe you need to go online, in google dash, to allow this new entry to gdrive


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[01:24] <theCore> hi LaserJock
[01:42] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[01:43] <theCore> LaserJock: how was the Summit?
[01:43] <LaserJock> good
[01:43] <LaserJock> lots of work, little sleep
[01:43] <theCore> did they talks about the docs?
[01:43] <LaserJock> a blast
[01:44] <LaserJock> no
[01:44] <LaserJock> not really
[01:44] <theCore> so it was coding intensive?
[01:44] <LaserJock> yep
[01:44] <theCore> that's sweet
[01:44] <LaserJock> jsgotangco and I were the only doc people and there weren't really any doc specs
[01:45] <jsgotangco> mm??
[01:45] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[01:45] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: are you talking care of that .pot for ESA?
[01:45] <jsgotangco> hmm i haven't been on to it yet
[01:45] <jsgotangco> if you have time to do it, i appreciate it
[01:45] <LaserJock> I can't remember if you were doing it or if it was it
[01:45] <LaserJock> bah, s/it/me/
[01:46] <LaserJock> well, I think I have a .pot on my computer, I just wanted to make sure it was done right
[01:46] <theCore> LaserJock: did you learned some french words?
[01:46] <theCore> ;)
[01:46] <LaserJock> theCore: not really
[01:47] <theCore> :'(
[01:47] <jsgotangco> c'est magnifique la tour eiffel!
[01:47] <theCore> ha!
[01:47] <LaserJock> heh, it was nice
[01:47] <theCore> bien accord en plus. :)
[01:49] <theCore> LaserJock: did they resolve the internals conficts about Xgl?
[01:50] <jsgotangco> there really wasn't that much coding involved...thats reserved for the distro sprint
[01:51] <theCore> I mean between developers
[01:51] <LaserJock> I didn't hear anything about Xgl
[01:52] <theCore> Xgl is gone mainstream now, peoples will looks for it
[01:52] <LaserJock> bah, I was hoping we could take it out of the archives
[01:52] <LaserJock> oh well
[01:52] <theCore> hehe
[01:53] <jsgotangco> it'll probably be in the archives but not installed by default
[01:55] <theCore> that's ok, as long peoples can install it without to much trouble, the best would to the simplify that to `apt-get install xserver-xgl'
[01:55] <theCore> anyway, it's going offtopic
[01:55] <theCore> no more Xgl talk for me, more doc talk ;)
[01:56] <LaserJock> well, I guess people should be able to do what they want, but I'm not going to deal with Xgl bugs
[01:56] <LaserJock> I've already got a few
[01:59] <theCore> LaserJock: did you restarted working actively on the Packaging Guide?
[01:59] <LaserJock> not really
[01:59] <LaserJock> I've got a bad cold
[02:00] <LaserJock> and I'm trying to figure out how to divide up my Ubuntu time between all my projects
[02:01] <Plug_> I'm happy to help out with the packaging guide.
[02:01] <theCore> on my side, I try to find a way to procrastinate less
[02:08] <theCore> it's not really a problem after all, I just love reading tech articles, but I wish I could do something useful with my time ...
[02:09] <LaserJock> well, I'm going to just encourage people to send patches
[02:10] <jsgotangco> did you get to talk to iwj about the developer resource thing?
[02:10] <LaserJock> I didn't
[02:10] <jsgotangco> doh
[02:10] <jsgotangco> you chickened out?
[02:10] <LaserJock> yep
[02:10] <jsgotangco> doh
[02:10] <LaserJock> tbh, he is a bit scary in person ;-)
[02:11] <jsgotangco> huh?
[02:11] <jsgotangco> aggressive yes, but not scary
[02:11] <LaserJock> well, he's pretty intense and incredibly good
[02:11] <jsgotangco> he's passionate for sure
[02:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:12] <LaserJock> not scary in a bad way so much
[02:12] <LaserJock> intense is a good word
[02:12] <LaserJock> but I really didn't have much of a chance to ask him and I didn't push it
[02:13] <jsgotangco> and you had time to play mao with him heh
[02:14] <LaserJock> yeah, but I didn't feel like a point of order to ask him about it ;-)
[02:15] <LaserJock> mostly, I haven't had a chance to look at it in depth so I didn't really know what I'd ask him about it
[02:15] <LaserJock> the only thing I'm worried about it maintianing it as a patch to the Debian package
[02:27] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: how big is the delta from iwj's draft to that of upstream if there is any?
[02:29] <LaserJock> hmm, well so far he has done the intro
[02:31] <LaserJock> and a diff of the plain text version is 27k
[02:35] <LaserJock> I'm wondering if it would be better to fork rather than keep up a patch, especially since it will replace the Debian version
[02:39] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[02:39] <jsgotangco> does make some sense though
[02:39] <jsgotangco> while the diff isnt that big yet
[02:42] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm just afraid the diff is going to get huge when I start getting into the meat of it
[02:44] <jsgotangco> just a thought would it be more relevant to update the packaging guide early into edgy so that new people might want to refer to it?
[02:45] <jsgotangco> just change the stuff from dapper to edgy for example
[02:47] <LaserJock> yeah, although it really hasn't changed
[02:47] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:47] <LaserJock> I tried to write it so it would be relevent during the edgy cycle
[02:48] <LaserJock> but there will probably be some changes soon
[02:52] <jsgotangco> is it possible to create a pbuilder for edgy now?
[02:52] <crimsun> yes, both from within dapper and from within edgy
[02:53] <crimsun> though I wouldn't update to edgy's sudo atm
[02:53] <crimsun> it takes a bit more finagling from within dapper
[02:53] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:56] <crimsun> are you creating an edgy pbuilder within dapper?
[02:57] <jsgotangco> well trying to at the moment
[02:58] <jsgotangco> or should i just create a dapper one then update it?
[02:58] <crimsun> the latter
[02:58] <crimsun> this way:
[02:58] <crimsun> http://pastebin.ca/74443
[02:58] <crimsun> cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~
[02:58] <crimsun> then apply the diff
[02:59] <crimsun> sorry, use http://pastebin.ca/74444
[02:59] <crimsun> that's more correct semantically ;)
[03:07] <jsgotangco> ok
[03:51] <crimsun> err
[03:51] <crimsun> did you use the diff I gave you?
[03:51] <crimsun> http://pastebin.ca/74444, that is
[03:51] <crimsun> if so, you already have an edgy pbuilder
[03:52] <crimsun> presuming you named it pbuilder-edgy.sh, that is
[03:54] <jsgotangco> doh! i forgot
[03:58] <crimsun> well, it won't hurt either way :)
[04:51] <nixternal> where you attacking from?
[04:51] <nixternal> i hitting all the little guys right now
[04:51] <nixternal> the quick 5 minute ones...trying to knock down the fire a little bit
[04:51] <robotgeek> nixternal: not sure, you just inspired me :)
[04:52] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AdvancedCommandlineHowto   <- useless
[04:56] <robotgeek> i guess its better to link to bash scripting guide
[04:58] <robotgeek> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandlineHowto is also useless
[04:58] <nixternal> they all are ;)
[04:58] <nixternal> im doing americas army one now
[04:58] <nixternal> im dl'n and installing too ;)
[05:00] <robotgeek> hmm, i cant delete pages?
[05:00] <nixternal> ya..mdke hasn't added all of us..only certain ones i guess
[05:01] <nixternal> i believe him and madpilot have the powah
[05:01] <robotgeek> kk, cool. ill just make a list of pages to delete!
[05:01] <nixternal> would be nice to make a CategoryRemove or CategoryDelete
[05:02] <robotgeek> yup
[05:07] <nixternal> hmm...in gnome...if you want to run an application...is it Gnome Menu > Run Application ??
[05:12] <robotgeek> yes
[05:13] <robotgeek> alt + f2 also works
[05:15] <nixternal> ty
[05:15] <nixternal> same with kde then
[05:16] <nixternal> i didn't feel like starting up my vmware..but i might have to if i want to knock some of these out quickly
[05:19] <robotgeek> i'm knocking the top20 first
[05:22] <nixternal> americas army is done
[05:23] <nixternal> i will start from #21 then
[05:25] <nixternal> is there a standard for text editor?   i keep seing sudo gedit..but that won't work for kde and xfce...and doing a kedit, gedit, whateveredit...how about pick something like nano, vim or the like
[05:25] <Plug_> $EDITOR ;)
[05:26] <Plug_> there is an InstallingSoftware page
[05:26] <Plug_> there could be a TextEditor page that is similar?
[05:26] <Plug_> Edit file X (to learn how, see TextEditor)
[05:26] <Plug_> perhaps they could be replaced with some little Javascript blocks
[05:26] <nixternal> a newbie won't udnerstand $EDITOR
[05:26] <Plug_> so you see "(Help for Ubuntu Kubuntu Xubuntu)" next to it
[05:27] <nixternal> hmm..not a bad idea Plug_
[05:27] <Plug_> and clicking each pops up a little "the text editor for Ubuntu is gedit, access XXX etc"
[05:27] <Plug_> implemented as a template somewhere, that could be quite cool
[05:27] <nixternal> like those stupid rollover links that popup advertisement on some pages...have one for the word editor or something like that
[05:28] <nixternal> however..if the UWN asks for an editor of the human variety..it will place that link there...which becomes annoying
[05:28] <nixternal> as a matter of fact..my idea was bad..because i just realised how much i hate those links ;)
[05:29] <Plug_> Not quite what I had in mind...
[05:29] <nixternal> hehe
[05:29] <nixternal> how do you implament javascript into the wiki?
[05:32] <Plug_> I'm not sure if you can
[05:39] <mgalvin> mdke: yea, yea, i know, i was asked to send a test email but didn't realize that email address had already been whitelisted :-/, i got some amusing responses though :)
[05:41] <jsgotangco> what happened?
[05:42] <jsgotangco> test
[05:42] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:08] <robotgeek> can we create new pages on h.u.c ?
[06:08] <nixternal> yes
[06:09] <nixternal> if they belong in CategoryDocumentation though
[06:09] <nixternal> if they aren't a CategoryDocumentation..i believe they go to w.u.c
[06:09] <robotgeek> essentially DeletionCandidates
[06:09] <nixternal> ahh..i would put it on the old wiki for now
[06:10] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeletionCandidates
[06:10] <nixternal> that would work
[06:10] <nixternal> that way there you can save yourself the trouble of having to add tags for w.u.c and h.u.c as you come across removal requests for both
[06:10] <nixternal> on w.u.c if the page is at the h.u.c it will forward automaticall
[06:11] <robotgeek> ah, forgot that. i was just copying the urls
[06:11] <nixternal> hehe
[06:15] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: i got dozens of emails back with a *wide* range of "success it worked" types of messages, i am still getting them, hehe
[06:16] <mgalvin> thankfully no one seemed to mind
[06:18] <robotgeek> what would be a good way to modify the switching from windows article to Kubuntu
[06:21] <nixternal> robotgeek: that is a jjesse item...and it hasn't been confirmed nor denied yet
[06:22] <robotgeek> i'll get started on it then, i'm sure he wont mind
[06:25] <robotgeek> actually, might wait for some more time. looks like amm i am doing i :%s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[06:25] <nixternal> well...himself and mdke hasn't yet decided on the layout, the format, and the purpose yet
[06:25] <nixternal> hehe ya
[06:25] <nixternal> that is all going to get seperated eventually i think..as it might go from wiki to docbooks
[06:25] <nixternal> actually..it is..docbooks and from there to h.u.c and lulu more then likely
[06:26] <robotgeek> i'll help when it gets into xml, my vim is setup with keys to do it automagically.
[06:26] <robotgeek> f6 replaces ubuntu with Kubuntu and so on :)
[06:27] <nixternal> nice
[06:28] <robotgeek> alrite, time to hit the sack then. might tackle the wireless pages tommorow
[06:29] <nixternal> ooh have fun on those
[06:33] <Madpilot> nixternal, regarding CatDoc on h.u.c/c - I've been removing stuff from CatDoc, because *everything* on that wiki should be in CatDoc - it's no longer a useful category
[06:33] <robotgeek> Madpilot: can you also process w.u.c/DeletionCandidates
[06:34] <Madpilot> I'll have a look, sure
[06:34] <nixternal> wo0t
[06:34] <Plug_> can you search/replace the term out?
[06:34] <Plug_> (CatDoc)
[06:34] <nixternal> ahhh Madpilot..i see....so everything is catdoc..so no need for it
[06:34] <nixternal> got it!!!
[06:35] <Madpilot> nixternal, yeah - feel free to suggest more useful Categories for h.u.c/c -
[06:35] <Madpilot> I just got CategoryGames working again, btw
[06:35] <nixternal> ahh
[06:35] <nixternal> CategoryWifi
[06:35] <nixternal> CategoryNixternal ;)
[06:36] <nixternal> that is actually a great idea with the categories
[06:36] <Madpilot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCategory <-- useful, despite the silly name :)
[06:37] <Madpilot> CatWifi or CatWireless makes sense to me
[06:37] <nixternal> CatNet
[06:37] <nixternal> and so on...i like it
[06:38] <nixternal> CategoryKubuntu | CategoryUbuntu | CategoryFreePopCorn
[06:38] <nixternal> i brainfarted on the last one
[06:38] <Madpilot> heh
[06:38] <Madpilot> CatKubuntu & CatXubuntu make sense; CatUbuntu would basically be the default, so I"m not sure if it actually needs to exist...
[06:39] <nixternal> #26 - BulgarianDocumentation/restricted formats dapper
[06:39] <nixternal> wow
[06:39] <nixternal> Madpilot: what was the spec on HowTo pages...was it a rename to remove the howto portion, leaving behind a redirect?
[06:39] <nixternal> spec == policy
[06:40] <Madpilot> nixternal, I think that's the consensus right now
[06:40] <nixternal> ok
[06:40] <nixternal> ty
[06:45] <Madpilot> hi dsas & robitaille
[06:46] <robitaille> Good evening Madpilot
[06:46] <nixternal> hiya robitaille
[06:46] <jsgotangco> sup
[06:46] <dsas> Good morning Madpilot and all.
[06:46] <nixternal> hiya dsas
[06:47] <robitaille> And hello nixternal
[06:47] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/photos/UDS-Paris/P6180023.JPG.html
[06:47] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, cool pic
[06:47] <nixternal> www.buntudot.org  <-- i updated all the links to photos today..including your jsgotangco
[06:47] <jsgotangco> yeha heh
[06:48] <jsgotangco> nixternal: you own that domain?
[06:48] <nixternal> nope..imbrandon does
[06:48] <jsgotangco> the group photo doesn't have LaserJock and highvoltage either
[06:48] <Plug_> why buntu. and not ubuntu. ?
[06:49] <robitaille> trademark issue maybe :)
[06:49] <robitaille> I have to say that I generally really impressed by buntudot.org
[06:51] <nixternal> i have no idea..i think because he was trying to hit all of the *buntu's w/ one name
[06:52] <jsgotangco> heh nice wordplay though
[06:52] <Plug_> {,x,k}ubuntu ;)
[07:08] <dsas> nixternal: AutomaticSecurityUpdates has "breezy-security" inside the script text, so it needs genericsing somehow.
[07:08] <dsas> cat /etc/issue
[07:08] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:08] <nixternal> ok
[07:08] <dsas> oops, wrong window :/
[07:14] <robotgeek> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx is slightly better
[07:17] <robotgeek> i'll fix both the documents, and see if i can merge anything from the AirportExtreme page into the Breezy page
[07:40] <robotgeek> actually, done right now :)
[07:42] <robotgeek> which leads me to a bigger problem, we need to make sure that /device redirects to driver and correctly
[07:44] <robotgeek> anyways, more on that later!
[07:54] <Madpilot> dammit... is there any way to stop the old wiki from redirecting me? I'm trying to restore some stuff that was moved, and the &^%#@!@# redirects are driving me nuts...
[07:55] <dsas> you can turn off meta-refreshes in some browsers some how.
[07:56] <Madpilot> gah, yes - Opera has that feature... I'd just forgotten it. Thanks.
[07:58] <dsas> The other way is to append ?action=edit to the end of the url when typing it in.
[08:00] <Madpilot> right. Adding #show doesn't actually interupt the damn redirect, which it really should do
[08:27] <jsgotangco> whatever i do, or follow, i still don't seem to get packaging correctly despite the ease of tools available
[08:28] <rob> heh
[08:29] <rob> the packing guide is ok, but its already out of date and a little inaccurate in places
[08:29] <jsgotangco> yep
[08:31] <rob> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/
[08:31] <rob> start there :0
[08:31] <rob> :)
[08:31] <crimsun> those inaccuracies need to be addressed to Jordan
[08:33] <rob> following it to the letter has gotten me smashed on revu
[08:37] <nixternal> robotgeek: ping!
[08:38] <crimsun> rob: "smashed"?
[08:38] <nixternal> Madpilot: ping!
[08:38] <Madpilot> pong?
[08:38] <rob> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2519
[08:38] <nixternal> ahh..where did robotgeek put that delete stuff?
[08:38] <Madpilot> which delete stuff?
[08:39] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Checksum <- grabbed from wikipedia
[08:39] <nixternal> that could be added to a CategoryDelete type of deal
[08:40] <jsgotangco> ive seen worse revus than that
[08:40] <nixternal> CategoryReview <- use this for us little guys that aren't 100% sure what to do with a page..if we don't know if it is safe to remove or not...that way there you head honcho types can review those..just an idea
[08:40] <crimsun> rob: right, the guide isn't designed to be comprehensive, just an intro.
[08:41] <rob> * compat: you should use a compatibility level of 5. <- pretty sure thats not in the guide
[08:41] <crimsun> rob: however, I'm sure Jordan welcomes constructively critical input.
[08:41] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:41] <crimsun> rob: because you don't /have/ to.
[08:41] <rob> oh, I'm not having a go at the guide or Jordan
[08:41] <crimsun> rob: you can use any dh_compat version you want provided you use the appropriate Standards-Version
[08:42] <crimsun> rob: 5 just happens be "best practice" for that particular commenter
[08:42] <rob> don't get me wrong, just pointing out the guide is only an intro, you need to also do a bit of reading of the wiki to get the full story
[08:42] <jsgotangco> of course
[08:42] <crimsun> rob: the full story lies in the Debian Policy manual.
[08:42] <crimsun> /everything/ you need is in there :)
[08:43] <rob> the guide is ok, just not totally accurate and a bit confusing to new-comers to debian/ubuntu packaging
[08:43] <crimsun> Policy also tends to be far more strict than Ubuntu is
[08:43] <rob> I'm sure it is
[08:44] <jsgotangco> i coould have just tied up iwj in a room and pick his brains heh
[08:46] <crimsun> keep in mind that we also tend to be more strict about /new/ packages entering Ubuntu than packages that are already in Debian
[08:46] <crimsun> anyhow, input into the reworked PG is certainly welcome
[08:47] <jsgotangco> it could certainly help to have some sections segue properly though
[08:48] <crimsun> I believe Jordan has expressed interest in rewriting it completely.
[08:48] <rob> as someone new to Ubuntu packaging just following the guide I just found myself wanting after reading the guide, it was an ok introduction but from the point of view of someone who just read though it recently it needs "something"
[08:49] <crimsun> rob: that something, imo, is the Debian New Maintainer's Guide.
[08:49] <rob> maybe, but there is a real lack of references to it
[08:49] <crimsun> right, it's only mentioned in a cursory manner and in the Appendix.
[08:49] <crimsun> the trick is to ease someone into packaging
[08:50] <jsgotangco> im not sure the hello.tgz sample is a good idea to use as well
[08:50] <rob> yeah, I understand its a fine line to tread :)
[08:50] <crimsun> jsgotangco: I think it's satisfactory to a novice packager.
[08:50] <crimsun> it's a pretty big leap to go from that to mplayer, though
[08:51] <jsgotangco> took me a while to figure out joe from source
[08:51] <crimsun> well, that's one of the problems that will become even more evident as the PG is revised/rewritten
[08:52] <crimsun> to be a packager, one has to have a decent grasp of the source code involved
[08:52] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:53] <crimsun> how does one draft a guide in a technical manner without alienating people who haven't either much source code or packaging experience?
[08:54] <crimsun> (rhetorical question, there, but one that's apropos)
[08:54] <jsgotangco> i guess it should start with more caveats than just saying CLI experience =)
[08:55] <crimsun> ultimately it would be very cool to have a gui that guides one through it
[08:56] <crimsun> in the meantime, now is an /excellent/ time to get involved in packaging
[08:57] <crimsun> (the merge cycle at the beginning of each dev cycle)
[08:57] <crimsun> usually now is when all the interesting questions appear
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> I've been meaning to learn how to do that - don't know why, just seems like it would be a good skill.
[08:58] <jsgotangco> yes it is
[09:03] <mdke> Madpilot: add ?action=show to the page name
[09:03] <mdke> s/page name/url
[09:04] <Madpilot> mdke, ah, thanks - couldn't remember the syntax
[09:04] <mdke> oh no, actually I seem to remember that not working either
[09:04] <mdke> or was it DeletePage that doesn't work...
[09:07] <Plug_> nixternal: the software installation prog is 'synaptic', not 'synaptics'
[09:07] <Plug_> (you should also probably link InstallingSoftware instead)
[09:07] <nixternal> oh no..i added an "s" again
[09:07] <nixternal> arg
[09:07] <nixternal> i am bad with that...since i use apt-get
[09:07] <mdke> ynaptic
[09:07] <Plug_> don't mention either, and just say "for info see InstallingSoftware" :)
[09:08] <nixternal> synaptic == apt front end...synaptics == laptop mousey
[09:09] <Plug_> I am tidying up lots of things that say "install X" and then all either go on about how to do install using one of three tools, or link to InstallingSoftware
[09:09] <nixternal> see..i know the "INstallingSoftware" keeps the wording down, therefore making the page smaller...however, i find it annoying to have to switch back and forth between pages to get one task done...just my 2 cents though
[09:09] <Plug_> it would be good to have a question-mark-icon to link, or some such
[09:09] <Plug_> that implies "If you dont know how to do this, click this page"
[09:10] <nixternal> i like that idea now
[09:10] <Plug_> without having to implicitly mention InstallingSoftware, Repositories etc
[09:10] <nixternal> speaking of icons...i need to use some
[09:12] <Plug_> tbh, I think that pages about installing hula and cando etc should assume knowledge of editing sources.list, more so than "how to get MP3 playback"
[09:12] <nixternal> Plug_: i have to agree with you 100% actually, even though i am not sold on the idea all the way..but it is uniform..and it looks good among the pages...
[09:12] <nixternal> now..can you make a link open in a new tab/window in the wiki...like with <a href="fjdaf" target="_blank">
[09:12] <nixternal> so that way, sending a user away from the page, doesn't totally sling them out of the page...but opens a reference in a new window?
[09:12] <nixternal> true
[09:12] <nixternal> as some new user won't be doing either
[09:12] <mdke> nixternal: you shouldn't need to switch back and forward, you only need to learn how to install packages once... eventually you get the hang of it
[09:13] <nixternal> but then again, you never know
[09:13] <mdke> and no, we don't open links in new windows
[09:13] <nixternal> mdke, that works for many, but not all ;)
[09:13] <mdke> well, that is why the page is there
[09:14] <mdke> you can click on the link if you need to, and otherwise, ignore it
[09:14] <nixternal> how about in the introduction to the page...let the reader know, hey this is an easy task or this is a hard task, if you don't know how to install software read this, if you don't know how to add sources do this...and so on
[09:15] <mdke> we could do that
[09:15] <nixternal> like the top heading...  == Introduction == or == Information ==  and under that briefly explain the software or tutorial, and anything the reader might need to know prior to proceding with the tutorial/article
[09:16] <nixternal> that way they don't get half way through and have to jump out of the page to read something else
[09:16] <Madpilot> nixternal, a lot of the tuts & docs we've got are already set up like that - the trouble with RestrictedFormats is that it's such a long page :|
[09:17] <Plug_> nixternal: you end up offering the disclaimer on every page
[09:17] <mdke> it will take a lot of effort to implement that on every page
[09:17] <nixternal> so i have seen ;)...im saying for the CategoryCleanup ones really...and then...
[09:17] <Plug_> it would take 'quick links' in the header, or on every page, to say 'Need to install software?  click here' etc
[09:17] <nixternal> mdke: im talking just catcleanups right now
[09:17] <Plug_> which probably isn't that useful
[09:19] <nixternal> Plug_: the quicklinks...is that an idea that you like or dislike?
[09:20] <Plug_> I think that for tricky subjects, you dont need to tell people how to do things.  Assume they can find out themselves if they dont know.  I assume if you want to install Hula on Ubuntu you're probably handy enough with a command line, or at least know where to look.
[09:20] <Plug_> The game is totally different in 'user facing' pages, rather than 'sysadmin facing' pages
[09:20] <mdke> we should be really conservative about that sort of assumption though
[09:20] <nixternal> very true...but it is the "assumption" part that worries me
[09:21] <nixternal> exactly
[09:21] <Plug_> almost every page suggests installing a package
[09:21] <Plug_> and every other page says to do so from universe or multiverse
[09:22] <mdke> I don't think a link to InstallingSoftware is overly offputting, to be honest
[09:23] <Plug_> mdke: what about InstallingSoftware and Repositories?
[09:24] <mdke> no, still not
[09:24] <Plug_> you could have a consistent ["Repositories" Enable Universe and Multiverse]  link
[09:24] <Madpilot> night all
[09:28] <nixternal> g'nite all
[09:32] <mdke> Plug_: actually, both aren't necessary, the latter should be part of the former
[09:33] <mdke> yeah, a consistent link is a good idea. We use "Add, Remove and Update Applications" for the distro docs, iirc.
[11:14] <jenda> Who updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ ?
[11:15] <jsgotangco> robitaille
[11:15] <jenda> OK
[11:46] <sivang> hi folks
[11:47] <sivang> where can I discuss translator team admin issues? :)
[11:48] <jenda> what issues?
[11:48] <jenda> If it's a misbehaving admin, it might be a CC issue.
[11:48] <sivang> no, I'm the admin :-)
[11:49] <jenda> good ;)
[11:49] <jenda> are you misbehaving?
[11:50] <rjls> heh
[11:50] <sivang> jenda: oh no :_)
[11:50] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:50] <sivang> anyways, I have this person who wants to join the translator team. This team being basically the moderators team for the language, I take extra care before I approve someone
[11:50] <sivang> so otherwise they need to contribute some on the Israeli wiki,
[11:51] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:51] <sivang> or show me some translations suggestions they have done
[11:51] <sivang> but this guy just sent me some links about coding projects he has done, no apparent translation works.
[11:52] <sivang> He seems nice, though, and we are in need of some more active moderators for the suggestions we receive. Question is, should I approve him based on that, or ask him to work some on the wiki/rosetta before I do so?
[11:52] <jsgotangco> well its your call really
[11:52] <sivang> (I'm concenred he might get turned off by that, and I will loose a propspective moderator)
[11:54] <sivang> what have other loco team leads done in similar situations?
[11:54] <sivang> do we have a guideline doc for that?
[11:57] <jsgotangco> well
[11:57] <jsgotangco> i admin one language team in LP
[11:57] <jsgotangco> its pretty hard to get volunteers for such
[12:17] <mdke> sivang: we don't have a guideline, but I wrote some suggestions about how to do that on my blog, and I think a lot of translation teams have gone down similar lines.
[12:18] <mdke> http://www.mdke.org/blog/Ubuntu_Translation___Quality_Assurance.html
[12:18] <mdke> that's what the italian team does anyhow
[12:18] <mdke> sivang: #ubuntu-translators or #ubuntu-locoteams is a better place to discuss it though, or either of the mailing lists for those
[12:18] <sivang> mdke: thanks
[01:06] <WaterSevenUb> Hello...I've been away for a while... What's up with the localized help.ubuntu.com/index.cc.html?
[01:06] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: it is now index.html.cc
[01:06] <mdke> (it should automatically appear in your browser though when you go to help.ubuntu.com)
[01:06] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, :) ok.thx.
[01:07] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, based on IP? based on firefox?
[01:07] <mdke> based on browser language
[01:07] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, yeah...ok... pt does not work then ;)
[01:07] <mdke> right, thanks
[01:09] <WaterSevenUb> (fortunately, firefox and OO will probably be portuguese ready in upstream for edgy... )
[01:12] <WaterSevenUb> (it works if you define portuguese manually i guess)
[01:14] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: when does it work and when doesn't it work?
[01:16] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, After normal installation in Portuguese, as firefox does not have native PT support, it will not point to the portuguese documentation. However, if you manually go to the preferences in firefox and select "Portuguese" as prefered language, it will load correctly.
[01:16] <WaterSevenUb> so, no problem for you :)
[01:22] <mdke> WaterSevenUb: oh good, so it works
[01:24] <WaterSevenUb> btw, a translator is asking me if there will be xubuntu-docs new package with new translations....
[01:25] <mdke> hope so
[03:12] <jjesse> phillbull are you there?
[05:10] <jjesse> mdke: the two files adeptupdater adn addremoveprograms should validate could you edit the make file so ic ould build them :)
[05:12] <jjesse> hmmm looks like its time to rewrite the kubuntu release notes to solve bug #48525
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48525 in kubuntu-docs "Problems with Dapper Release Notes for Kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48525
[05:18] <mdke> jjesse: yes ok
[05:18] <jjesse> mdke: thanks something i still need to learn how to do :)
[05:19] <jsgotangco> doesnt adept have a bzr branch yet so that the manual can be added on development upstream
[05:19] <jsgotangco> that's what we did with g-a-i and u-m
[05:19] <jsgotangco> mdke: i'll delete the g-a-i and u-m on trunk now
[05:20] <jjesse> jsgotangco: not that i'm aware of
[05:22] <mdke> jsgotangco: ah, nice
[05:23] <mdke> I would have thought we can delete repos/vendor too
[05:24] <jsgotangco> yeah we're not doing any vendor drops anyways
[05:38] <mdke> jjesse: I'm going to put each document in a separate directory, if that is ok
[05:40] <mdke> jjesse: you may have to adjust the links to the images after I do that
[05:43] <mdke> oh no, actually maybe that isn't necessary
[05:45] <mdke> meh
[05:45] <mdke> perhaps it is
[07:07] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[08:14] <jjesse> mgalvin: ping?
[08:19] <nixternal> i like the whole "marco, polo" thing better then teh "ping, pong" stuff ;)
[08:20] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:20] <nixternal> marco
[08:20] <jjesse> i guess i didn't realize how "short" this release was until i took a look at the erelease schedule
[08:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:20] <LaserJock> it is very short
[08:21] <jjesse> doc free is sept. 14th
[08:21] <nixternal> ya jjesse...there isn't much time on this one
[08:21] <nixternal> we are only 4 months from release
[08:21] <nixternal> no 6mo cycle this time around
[08:22] <jjesse> just means we got get cranking on the documents
[08:22] <LaserJock> well, luckily we got a lot done in Dapper
[08:23] <LaserJock> if we make sure our existing docs are in good order, then anything else will more or less be icing on the cake, IMO
[08:23] <jjesse> we should have screen shots :)
[08:26] <jjesse> mgalvin: anyways was just wondering if you were going to be doing the Knot Wiki pages like you did for Dapper Flights?
[08:26] <nixternal> meeting time for the doc team by the way this sounds ;)
[08:27] <nixternal> i got to learn all this stuff, as i want to help contribute as much as possible
[09:23] <Karderio> mdke :  re :)
[09:25] <Karderio> I noticed there were still a few documentation pages on the wiki, I transferred a bunch yesterday, I got fed up with that so I've started to write a script to transfer them automatically. Could this be useful ?
[09:26] <mdke> Karderio: not really... it would require physical access to the machine probably
[09:26] <Karderio> well the script is almost functional already...
[09:27] <Karderio> it just pretends to be firefox ;)
[09:27] <mdke> are there lots of pages?
[09:27] <Karderio> well I did maybe 5/6 yesterday, I have noticed at least five others... it looked like a nest of them
[09:28] <mdke> just tag em with CategoryDocumentation and we can try and inspire some wiki contributors to help move them
[09:28] <Karderio> they would do this by hand ?
[09:29] <nixternal> mark um and i shall fix um ;)
[09:30] <mdke> hmm
[09:30] <Karderio> okay, if you like, but it would only take 5 minutes to finish the script - this would automate this. perhaps you know somthing I don't ;) hidden server magic ;)
[09:30] <mdke> have you tested it?
[09:32] <Karderio> i've tested the bit that gets the page - the bit that creates new page and replaces old one with redirect - the bit that logs you in... now the just have to play nicely together
[09:32] <Karderio> :)$
[09:56] <Karderio> should https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport live in the communitydocs ?
[09:57] <mdke> no, we decided not
[09:59] <mdke> erm
[09:59] <mdke> who deleted AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:59] <mdke> disgraceful
[10:00] <jjesse> inot me
[10:00] <mdke> oh, no one. It missed out in the move because it was a redirect
[10:00] <mdke> damn, there are going to be quite a few of those
[10:02] <jjesse> bumer
[10:02] <mdke> oh well!
[10:02] <mdke> jjesse: see my message earlier about moving those documents into separate directories?
[10:02] <jjesse> mdke: i think i missed it but i can take care ofi t
[10:03] <jjesse> makes better sense?
[10:03] <mdke> yes, it helps for building
[10:03] <jjesse> i'll get it done then
[10:03] <mdke> I'd suggest adept/ as the base directory, then have adept/addremoveprograms/C/ etc
[10:03] <mdke> and adept/figures/C
[10:03] <mdke> you may have to fix some links for the images
[10:04] <jjesse> yeah i will
[10:04] <jjesse> right now trying to figure out why kubuntu/releasenotes/C/releasenotes.xml won't validate
[10:05] <mdke> I'll fix that for you at some stage if you like
[10:05] <jjesse> i'd like to figure it out
[10:05] <mdke> I've got quite good at that from fixing endless translations
[10:06] <mdke> alright
[10:06] <jjesse> but i'll ask if i can't, i have to re-write some it cause they didn't likethe style
[10:06] <mdke> sure, no probs
[10:06] <mgalvin> jjesse: so they are going to be called Knot's... yes i would like to do them
[10:07] <jjesse> mgalvin: ok, then i'm going to really aim to get knot1/kubuntu done etc this time around
[10:07] <mgalvin> sweet
[10:07] <mdke> jjesse: btw on the list you mentioned some discussion about the Switching guides, is that off-list?
[10:07] <jjesse> mdke: yeah currently 3 of us are trying to get tother via irc and then present something to the list
[10:09] <Karderio> Perhaps it wold help consistency to move the list of supported wifi cards to the wiki, from help.ubuntu.com ? (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported)
[10:23] <Karderio> I have marked a few pages on the wiki with CategoryDocumentation. (Installation/FromUSBStick, OnNFSDrive, WindowsDualBootHowTo, Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies) Hope it makes sense to move these.
[10:23] <Karderio> more to come when I get a chance
[10:28] <mdke> Karderio: cool
[10:38] <chris-t4> Question. Would it be a good idea to give some people instructions on how to install Ubuntu with Parallels and VMWare on thier machines? I find this much better than dual booting. I think most people don't know this option exists.
[10:40] <mdke> chris-t4: yes, doesn't that exist already?
[10:41] <chris-t4> I have not seen it if it does, other than on Parallel's and VMWare's website.
[10:41] <LaserJock> at least for VMWare there is
[10:42] <mdke> chris-t4: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[10:43] <chris-t4> Thanks, I had not seen that.
[11:46] <Karderio_> mdke : I was thinking about "fluffing up" the start here section on the main community documentation page, like I did to the intro...


[02:17] <mthorn> are there xubuntu 11.04 nightly cds available? I wasn't able to find a link on the xubuntu sebsite
[02:17] <mthorn> *website
[02:17] <charlie-tca> yes
[02:17] <charlie-tca> !daily
[02:17] <charlie-tca> well, no
[02:17] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[02:18] <charlie-tca> daily images are available. These are the Beta 2 candidates, and subject to change several times over the next two days, though.
[02:20] <mthorn> thanks, much appreciated
[02:21] <mthorn> I always seem to get a new machine weeks before an ubuntu release, leading to the debate of stable vs beta
[02:22] <charlie-tca> This is the beta 2 candidate, due out Thursday. Final Natty image is to be released April 28, so we are very close to a good image.
[02:22] <mthorn> great!
[10:06] <xubuntu151> Is Xubuntu faster than Ubuntu?
[10:06] <Sysi> it uses less RAM
[10:06] <xubuntu151> Cool
[10:06] <xubuntu151> What are disadvantages of using Xubuntu compared to Ubuntu?
[10:07] <Sysi> nothing i've found, basically it's just different
[10:07] <Sysi> you can make ubuntu xubuntu and other way round, and get everything in ubuntu to xubuntu
[10:07] <xubuntu151> ok
[10:08] <xubuntu151> I'm currently installing Xubuntu after have tested Ubuntu for a while
[10:10] <ochosi> xubuntu151: in a few weeks natty will be released and that release will make a noticeable difference, new xfce-release included
[10:11] <ochosi> just so that you know that upgrade-transition might not be as smooth as in previous releases because quite a few components changed
[10:11] <xubuntu151> ochosi: Is it possible to upgrade to natty from Xubuntu then?
[10:11] <ochosi> xubuntu151: sure, just with some caveats, as i just asid
[10:11] <ochosi> s/asid/said
[10:11] <xubuntu151> cool
[10:12] <xubuntu151> The installation is done now,. Have to restart
[10:12] <xubuntu151> see you soon and thanks for the info
[10:12] <Sysi> ubuntu adn xubuntu are basically same OS, package manager uses same repositories
[10:20] <Softdroid> I'm back
[10:20] <Softdroid> :)
[10:21] <Softdroid> In Ubuntu I could see all my partitions in Places/Location menu
[10:21] <Softdroid> I don't see the other partitions anymore
[10:22] <Sysi> thunar doesn't have that feature
[10:22] <Softdroid> thunar?
[10:22] <Sysi> filemanager in xubuntu
[10:23] <Softdroid> Do I have to mount the partitions everytime now?
[10:23] <Sysi> you can use /etc/fstab
[10:23] <Softdroid> I like the Sound Mixer better in Xubuntu
[10:24] <Softdroid> I couldnt ix the audio problem in Ubuntu, one of the main reason for the switch
[10:44] <Softdroid> Sysi, What did you mean by using /ec/fstab?
[10:44] <Sysi> you set automounts there
[10:44] <Sysi> !mount
[10:45] <Softdroid> The sound is working very nice in Xubuntu, I tried in over one month to fix it in Ubuntu. It was impossible
[10:45] <Softdroid> Ok
[10:45] <Softdroid> Thanks
[10:50] <Softdroid> How can I see which version of Xubunt I have installed?
[10:50] <Softdroid> xubuntu
[10:50] <knome> 'lsb_release -a' in terminal
[10:51] <Softdroid> It says Ubuntu 10.10 but when I click at the help menu it says Welcome to Xubuntu 9.10!
[10:52] <knome> yeah, the help might be a bit outdated...
[10:53] <Softdroid> Ok, but its the lsb_release info which is the right one?
[10:53] <knome> yes
[10:53] <Softdroid> thanks knome
[10:53] <knome> it will always say Ubuntu though, so you need to know by other means that you're using Xubuntu :)
[10:53] <Softdroid> ok :)
[10:54] <Softdroid> I love Xubuntu already after the sound fix :)
[10:54] <knome> it is a good OS
[12:23] <concon> Can I get some help on how to select default playback device?
[12:32] <MikeDD> Does anyone know how to remove items from the application menu?
[13:10] <BiFeO3_home> Good morning. How do you set the default sound device in Xubuntu? Any help, greatly appreciated.
[13:10] <Sysi> install pavucintrol
[13:12] <BiFeO3_home> Which repository? I'm a X/ubuntu newbie.  :-)
[13:12] <BiFeO3_home> Gentoo is giving me a headache right now, so I'm going for something a bit more friendly.
[13:13] <Sysi> just install, it's in the default ones
[13:14] <BiFeO3_home> http://pastebin.com/qFu7m1Tj
[13:23] <BiFeO3_home> Ah, pavucontrol. That's it.
[14:52] <jpiche> just upgraded to natty and installed `xubuntu-desktop` package (along with other xfce4-* packages), but network manager has the default "no image" icon, regardless of the theme or icon set I use. I've tried killing it and restarting it manually, but no luck. any advice?
[14:52] <Sysi> jpiche: add indicator plugin to panel
[14:52] <Sysi> also: #ubuntu+1
[14:53] <SoftDroid> Is it possible to edit the program menu?
[14:54] <mikubuntu> is there a way to selectively delete random screensaver that displays your file photos?
[14:54] <Sysi> settings → screensaver
[14:55] <SoftDroid> Sysi: Is is possible to add Indicator plugin to Xubuntu?
[14:56] <Sysi> yes
[14:56] <SoftDroid> Sysi: How? :)
[14:56] <Sysi> install that panel plugin and add
[14:56] <SoftDroid> Sysi: I can't find it in at ProgramCentrak
[14:56] <Sysi> but i'm not sure if it's natty-only
[14:56] <charlie-tca> only in natty, I think
[14:56] <Sysi> you basically can't edit menu before natty
[14:57] <SoftDroid> What is natty?
[14:57] <jpiche> Sysi, thank you :-)
[14:57] <Sysi> !11.04
[14:57] <SoftDroid> ok
[14:57] <SoftDroid> thanks
[14:58] <mikubuntu> sysi, i don't think that standard screensaver interface allows selective deletion of screensaver elements (does it?)
[14:58] <Sysi> if you set it to not use some screensaver it will not use it
[14:59] <mikubuntu> let me look again
[14:59] <charlie-tca> check the advanced settings tabbed
[15:00] <mikubuntu> charlie-tca, lemme see
[15:03] <mikubuntu> my screensaver control doesn't have an advanced tab.  it looks like glslideshow is the screensaver i don't want, but to me it looks like i have to either select one screensaver (BORING) or random, which from time to time (randomly) is going to use glslideshow ... there OUGHT to be a way to disable that element
[15:04] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu is that?
[15:05] <charlie-tca> xscreensaver has two tabs, screensaver and adv anced
[15:05] <mikubuntu> on this machine is ubuntu 10.04, but they are the same aren't they?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:06] <mikubuntu> oooOOOoooh.  can i use xscreensaver on here then?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> You have gnome-screensaver, and it doesn't have the tab to disable that
[15:06] <charlie-tca> I think you can install xscreensaver and remove gnome-screensaver
[15:07] <mikubuntu> gnna try, it drives me crazy.  thanks.
[15:11] <Fenix2> hi.. a question..
[15:12] <Fenix2> when I choose to have trasparent terminal windows it shows the desktop, not my irc client underneath the terminal window.. how can I fix this ?
[15:14] <Fenix2> I can't find any switch to flick for it to show the windows below itself but it "looks through all windows" ergo I see the desktop through my terminals
[15:14] <knome> Fenix2, use the compositor in settings->window manager
[15:16] <mikubuntu> charlie-tca, k, i got xscreensaver up, but when i click on elements in the random list they all say 'not installed' ... i wonder if it just needs an update?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> install xscreensaver-??? packages
[15:21] <mikubuntu> charlie-tca: k, lemme look, thx
[15:22] <Fenix2> knome: tnx. turning compositing on and restarting terminal worked
[15:23] <Fenix2> knome: do you happen to know how I can turn Compiz on ( installed it but I can not find a start/stop switch to flic )
[15:24] <Sysi> compiz --replace
[15:24] <Sysi> i recommend installing emerald before it
[15:24] <Sysi> and setting compiz to use it
[15:25] <Fenix2> Sysi: what's emerald ? I basically want the full screen tast switcher ( Scale plugin ) that I've grown accustomed to on OS Xes
[15:26] <Sysi> it draws window borders
[15:26] <Sysi> there's other option too but i can't remember it, it it tries to use xfwm4 it won't work
[15:27] <Fenix2> Sysi: about border drawing... whotf had the bright idea to make the borders 1 px wide... it aint a joy to try to resize a window
[15:27] <Fenix2> .. by dragging from the corner
[15:27] <Sysi> well alt+right click still works
[15:28] <Fenix2> Sysi: tnx for the tip.. I didn't know no nothing about alt+rightclick
[15:37] <Fenix2> Sysi: now I've isnstalled emerald .. then accessed the emerald and save a default style but it doesn't change the windows ( i.e. once again I can't find the switch to flick to turn emerald on )
[15:37] <Sysi> use compiz settings to set it to use emerald
[15:38] <Fenix2> so I type 'compiz --replace' in the shell or what ?
[15:38] <Sysi> or alt+F2
[15:39] <Fenix2> ok. now I have different borders
[15:39] <Fenix2> did that set compiz to turn itself on on start-up ?
[15:39] <Fenix2> s/turn/run
[15:40] <Sysi> nope
[15:40] <Fenix2> so I need to write a S10Compiz and put it where the start files are or what should I do ?
[15:41] <Sysi> settings → sessions and autostart and add that command there
[15:42] <Fenix2> Sysi: sry.. this is difficult because everything is in Finnish
[15:42] <drc> I noticed that booting from a LiveUSB 11.04B has no nvidia proprietary driver listed in Additional Drivers.  Does this mean that the nvidia driver is 1) not working in 11.04b or 2) Just not available in 11.04b?  Also, if I "update-manager -d" from  10.10 (which has the driver installed), will 11.04b recognize (and use) the driver?
[15:42] <Sysi> Fenix2: i am at #ubuntu-fi too
[15:43] <Sysi> drc: #ubuntu+1 knows
[15:43] <drc> Sysi: Thanks
[15:43] <Fenix2> Sysi: 'k done. compiz is now a startup item
[15:44] <Fenix2> Sysi: where can I install plug-ins for Compiz and manage it's settings ?
[15:47] <Fenix2> <- going to go to ask in #compiz
[15:47] <ochosi> Fenix2: for settings, install the package compizconfig-settings-manager
[15:47] <Fenix2> ochosi: 'k tnx will do
[15:47] <ochosi> Fenix2: for plugins, you can activate them there, they are packaged in bundles
[15:47] <ochosi> Fenix2: in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra and compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[15:49] <Fenix2> for "compizconfig-settings-manager" it finds a simple, and a complicated item to install... which should I choose ochosi ? I want that 3D-cube workspace thingy and the Scale-plugin
[15:50] <ochosi> Fenix2: you want the "complicated" one
[15:50] <ochosi> Fenix2: but really, there is only ONE package with that name
[15:51] <ochosi> Fenix2: meaning, "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager" will give you that package
[15:51] <Fenix2> ochosi: instaaling it now
[15:51] <ochosi> even the "complicated" one is fairly simple to use, only problem is the 1001 options for each plugin
[16:02] <Fenix2> ochosi: I can't find where to install plugins for Compiz
[16:02] <Fenix2> and how do I activate the different effects ?
[16:02] <ochosi> Fenix2: you have to activate them in the compiz-config settings manager you just insatlled
[16:03] <ochosi> usually you'd find that in $applicationsmenu > settings
[16:04] <Fenix2> ochosi: I've the compiz settings program running but it has no menu
[16:04] <ochosi> ?
[16:05] <ochosi> click a plugin and then "activate" it
[16:05] <ochosi> in the plugin-settings
[16:05] <Fenix2> no drop-down textual menu
[16:05] <ochosi> Fenix2: it should look like this: http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/attachments/00/28/ccsm_.png
[16:05] <ochosi> that's all
[16:05] <ochosi> no menu needed
[16:06] <ochosi> those plugins that are ticked are activated
[16:06] <ochosi> g2g now, maybe someone else can help you with this
[16:07] <Fenix2> ochosi: 'k big thanks
[16:07] <ochosi> np
[16:10] <Fenix2> <- I'm going to go to #compiz
[16:12] <MikeDD> Need to remove individual items from an OTHER menu from wine,   http://paste.ubuntu.com/593160/
[16:13] <MikeDD> Line 6 is set to All, which I guess means that I can go into some other file and kill off the links to the appropriate items... I don´t understand though..
[16:14] <MikeDD> charlie-tca: The drive wouldnt work, until I ran Disk Warrior on it the other day.  Write access restored!
[16:14] <charlie-tca> great!
[16:15] <MikeDD> It had errors, but Disk Warrior 4.1 fixed em
[16:15] <MikeDD> Now I am trying to delete dead icons/links from the ¨other¨.. applications>other
[16:16] <MikeDD> having little luck
[16:16] <MikeDD> I looked in xfce-applications.menu  and toward the bottom is http://paste.ubuntu.com/593160/
[16:17] <charlie-tca> remove the .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications/ ?
[16:18] <MikeDD> not yet
[16:18] <charlie-tca> That removes the menu entry
[16:19] <MikeDD> see em, going to delete the appropriate ones right now
[16:20] <MikeDD> Since some have spaces, can I kill them inside xfce?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> should be able to delete them using thunar
[16:21] <MikeDD> the tab trick isnt working in the terminal for a ¨sudo rm....¨
[16:22] <charlie-tca> use thunar file manager, turn on hidden files in the view menu
[16:22] <MikeDD> deleted a couple, now I need to refresh in the terminal right?
[16:23] <knome> MikeDD, sudo rm -rf "Folder Name/"
[16:23] <knome> MikeDD, or 'sudo rm -rf Folder\ Name
[16:23] <knome> -'
[16:23] <MikeDD> I found them under that folder, but they still show up in the menu bar.
[16:24] <MikeDD> delete a couple, but they still show up.
[16:25] <MikeDD> found more under a subfolder called wine
[16:27] <MikeDD> Should I trash all the Desktop files in that folder?
[16:27] <MikeDD> I only have one application that I can easily re-install
[16:27] <MikeDD> REAPER
[16:28] <MikeDD> so  as long as the whole computer doesnt explode...
[16:30] <MikeDD> Yeah, I did rm wine-*.*
[16:30] <MikeDD> it seems to have fixed it
[16:31] <MikeDD> Yep, totally fixed!
[16:32] <MikeDD> I was talking to some guy earlier for an hour..
[16:32] <MikeDD> couldn´t figure out what to do..
[16:33] <MikeDD> If I ever meet you in real life, you will get all the beer you want.
[16:34] <knome> MikeDD, where do you live? :P
[16:34] <MikeDD> You´re a freaking saviour, I have been bugging out about this little issue all morning..
[16:34] <MikeDD> Dayton, OH
[16:34] <knome> heh
[16:34] <Fenix2> I'm in Xfce settings -> Workspaces but when I inrement the amount of workspaces it doesn't add them to the list. I'd like to have 4 workspaces
[16:35] <knome> charlie-tca, there's your chance
[16:35] <Fenix2> this a bug ?
[16:35] <Fenix2> or amidoinitwrong
[16:35] <MikeDD> What, are you in Dayton too?
[16:35] <Sysi> Fenix2: set it from compiz
[16:35] <Fenix2> Sysi: 'k
[16:35] <knome> MikeDD, nope :P
[16:36] <knome> i don't actually know where charlie-tca is, can't remember since he moved a while ago (or it might be a bit more than a while)
[16:36] <MikeDD> We used to have a computer show at Hara called Computerfest
[16:36] <MikeDD> was twice a year, for a long time
[16:36] <MikeDD> before the show went on indefinite hiatus, there was a big Linux presence
[16:37] <MikeDD> Mad Dog even did some lectures
[16:37] <charlie-tca> eastern Idaho, USA
[16:37] <MikeDD> Sadly, the show hasnt happened for quite some time.. I think about 5 years...
[16:37] <knome> idaho... ohio... :P
[16:37] <charlie-tca> 3000 miles
[16:38] <knome> yeah but the names... somewhat similar
[16:38] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:38] <MikeDD> Yeah, that´s pretty far
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Almost the same thing
[16:38] <Fenix2> Sysi: I'm in compiz settings - > general settings -> desktop size tab and there is a field for "how many workspaces" but I can't effectively change it from 1 to 4
[16:39] <MikeDD> I hide out in this hole of a town, make beats on a MPC, and generally waste time fixing stuff that I likely broke in the first place...
[16:39] <Fenix2> hmm.. ctrl-alt-leftarrow gives me a "new" workspace
[16:40] <MikeDD> I have been using REAPER on wine, and aside from a few glitches, it works borderline-perfectly.
[16:41] <charlie-tca> gimp is 3 window layout again?
[16:41] <MikeDD> I wish they would do a native port of Reaper..
[16:43] <MikeDD> You know what there needs to be? An easy way to gift people...
[16:43] <MikeDD> Thinking along the lines of how amazon works, or something similar to paypal.
[16:44] <MikeDD> Maybe what I am talking about already exists?
[16:45] <MikeDD> Granted, I know that money can be sent a variety of ways..
[16:46] <MikeDD> I gotta google this, it might already be in place.
[16:46] <charlie-tca> trying to run 3 installs and take a shower is difficult
[16:46] <ochosi> MikeDD: maybe flattr?
[16:48] <MikeDD> looking at it right now, I hadnt heard of that one before you mentioned it
[16:48] <ochosi> not sure it's exactly what you want though
[16:48] <ochosi> because you can only flattr people that are part of flattr
[16:49] <MikeDD> it is close though
[16:50] <MikeDD> I mean though, if I had a 5er and wanted to give it to someone online.. currently gets done through systems like paypal..
[16:51] <ochosi> mmhm
[16:52] <MikeDD> I am not exactly sure what I think .. flattr comes close, amazon comes closer in some ways.
[16:53] <MikeDD> ls
[16:53] <MikeDD> wrong window
[16:53] <MikeDD> Yeah, charlie-tca.. that tip totally fixed it
[16:54] <MikeDD> Those icons were ¨taunting¨ me... mocking my existence... they had to go...
[16:54] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Sometimes we get things right
[16:55] <MikeDD> failed windows game installs in wine..
[16:55] <MikeDD> I will get that carp sorted out later..
[16:56] <MikeDD> The guy I talked to earlier, suggested a re-install of the system I think...
[16:56] <MikeDD> I was like... ¨no....¨
[16:57] <charlie-tca> No, not for menu issues
[16:57] <MikeDD> I know... I was yelling at the monitor, like he might hear it..
[16:58] <MikeDD> Like dude, I am not reinstalling an entire os and everything that goes along with it, because a frickin icon wont disappear..
[16:59] <MikeDD> I must have explained that to him about 10 times, you understood on what.. the first mention of it
[17:00] <MikeDD> I have a page up if you want to hear some tracks I made?
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Depends on how long they have been away from windows, actually
[17:01] <charlie-tca> I can look at it,
[17:01] <MikeDD> http://akaimpcnetwork.ning.com/profile/MikeDoubleD
[17:01] <charlie-tca> knome does more music than I do
[17:02] <MikeDD> I make beats/remixes/dub, etc.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Too hard on my eyes. The red on black is very difficult for me to read
[17:03] <MikeDD> you dont need to read that crap, the player is on the left side and below my friend list
[17:04] <MikeDD> I hate doing autobiographies
[17:05] <Fenix2> tnx for your help
[18:58] <MikeDD> What is the preferred program to import from a digital camera, like the Nikon Coolpix S3000?
[20:26] <quup> is 11.04 beta reasonably realible to yield a functional system?
[20:26] <Sysi> beta can't basically be recommended, but it shouldn't be very broken anymore
[20:27] <quup> ya ofc, ok :)
[20:27] <Sysi> xubuntu is a bit better than ubuntu because new xfce was released some time ago
[20:27] <quup> just did a fresh ubuntu install and got kubuntu, but I don't think it's for me
[20:27] <quup> so figure I should try xubuntu again, havn't used it in years
[20:28] <Sysi> xfce 4.8 is great
[20:28] <drc> quup: As Sysi said, it's beta, but I just fresh installed, and it looks/acts fine so far.  Can't say about the next 5 minutes, though.
[20:28] <quup> is there lot of panicing now preparing for 11.04 final?
[20:29] <quup> drc: hehe right
[20:29] <Sysi> i think xubuntu is quite setted, dunno about general stuff
[21:08] <WRStone> Hey, I have a funky one.  I'm running the beta of Natty, and all my applications' menu bars are gone.  Any notion why, or how to restore them?  It's a bit problematic ... ;)
[21:09] <charlie-tca> try Alt+F2, xfsettingsd
[21:10] <TheSheep> !+1
[21:10] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:10] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:11] <charlie-tca> 2 more weeks... :-)
[21:11] <WRStone> Hm .,, that changed my theme, but the menus are still missing.
[21:12] <charlie-tca> okay, next suggestion, Alt+F2, xfwm4
[21:13] <TheSheep> and then xfce4-panel
[21:13] <TheSheep> !panels
[21:14] <charlie-tca> and, if it is midori, they removed the menu bar
[21:14] <WRStone> Well, I'm doing it in a terminal window rather than Alt-F2.  When I do, it complains that it's already running and I should use "--replace".  When I do, it reloads, but otherwise no effect.  Also, this isn't a problem with the panel -- that's fine.  The issue is that there are no menus in any of my apps (File Tools Help, etc.)
[21:15] <charlie-tca> hm, it doesn't work the same for me in a terminal, for some reason
[21:18] <WRStone> It acts, frankly, like there's something like globalmenu in operation, but it's invisible.
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Was it an upgrade from maverick?
[21:19] <charlie-tca> WRStone: try running     apt-cache policy gnome-panel    in terminal. Tell me if it is installed
[21:19] <WRStone> No, I did a vanilla install from a flash drive.
[21:20] <WRStone> And they didn't disappear until yesterday, about a week after the installation.
[21:20] <TheSheep> WRStone: free space in your /home?
[21:20] <WRStone> charlie-tca, yes, it is installed.
[21:20] <WRStone> TheSheep, no, I've got 79GB available.
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Then unity / gnome took over.
[21:21] <WRStone> Oh, joy.  Ok, I'll dump it.  I friggin' hate Unity and Gnome3 anyway ... it's why I'm running Xubuntu.  ;)
[21:21] <charlie-tca> You have gnome installed, and it took precedence over xfce
[21:22] <WRStone> In the immediate term, is there any way to force precedence back to xfce?
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Not that I know of.
[21:24] <charlie-tca> You should file a bug against Ubuntu before removing it
[21:24] <WRStone> Ok, thanks ... guess I'm in for some fun extracting.  Thanks very much for the assistance.  I'd gone nuts trying to Google the problem.
[21:25] <charlie-tca> try
[21:25] <charlie-tca> !pure-xfce
[21:26] <Sysi> !purexfce
[21:26] <charlie-tca> thanks, Sysi
[21:26] <WRStone> Thanks, ubotto.  :)
[21:29] <WRStone> Aw, frak.  The commands no longer work with Natty.  Still, it'll give me a guide.
[23:13] <wildintellect> am I missing something obvious, where are the screen saver settings
[23:14] <charlie-tca> version of Xubuntu?
[23:15] <wildintellect> 10.04
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver
[23:16] <wildintellect> hmm, wondering if I uninstalled the package
[23:16] <drc> charlie-tca: Congrats to you and all the xubuntu team...11.04b1 looks as solid as it acts (so far :)
[23:17] <wildintellect> does xubuntu use xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver? I want to do a picture folder based screensaver?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> I think it is xscreensaver in 10.04
[23:18] <charlie-tca> drc: thank you, I will pass that on
[23:18] <drc> Seriously, good work.
[23:18] <wildintellect> looks like I uninstalled that opps, thanks for the sanity check
[23:20] <drc> or even without the comma :)


[11:12] <mvo> hey, I was wondering if someone could help me - it looks like core snap builds are quite unhappy right now: https://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+snap/core - failures and chroot problems is what I see today, any hints what I can do to help?
[11:16] <wgrant> mvo: Ugh, looks like the LXD SRU is bad
[11:16] <wgrant> Or just incompatible
[11:16] <wgrant> I suspect
[11:22] <wgrant> mvo: Ah, you manually requested new builds?
[11:22] <wgrant> Was confused by the amd64 failure, but that's from the primary archive. It looks like someone manually retried, but without using the PPA
[11:23] <wgrant> So it's just the LXD issues on arm64 and armhf
[11:23] <mvo> wgrant: uh, silly me
[11:23] <mvo> wgrant: yes, after the chroot problem I requested builds, that was a mistake
[11:23] <mvo> wgrant: the real issue is the chroot problem for arm/arm64
[11:23] <mvo> armhf/arm64
[11:24] <mvo> (heh, you said it already)
[11:29] <cjwatson> pylxd 5904292b0c82ad0e16181025056aed208f654ac7
[11:30] <cjwatson> actually 17cdd3972bd6413d13c2fc5e4a675a7b8d77450f
[11:31] <cjwatson> so in fact https://github.com/lxc/pylxd/commit/17cdd3972bd6413d13c2fc5e4a675a7b8d77450f
[11:50] <wgrant> Right, images hopefully fixed.
[11:50]  * wgrant stabs all the arm64s and ppc64els
[11:53] <cjwatson> I'm looking into the pylxd SRU.  Just constructing test cases here (I think zesty may need fixing as well, but we'll see)
[11:57] <mvo> wgrant: yay, thanks a bunch. should I try a armhf/arm64 rebuild now?
[11:57] <wgrant> mvo: Yep, should be fine, I think.
[11:58] <wgrant> Just had to revert to old images and ensure new ones wouldn't be produced until we get pylxd fixed.
[12:07] <cjwatson> now to wait for a load of images to download so I can test this
[12:18] <wgrant> mvo: Great, looks like those have both succeeded.
[13:32] <mvo> wgrant: yes, thanks a bunch!
[18:36] <Saviq> hi, can someone please bump ppa:mir-team/dev size again? we seem to be pushing faster than it prunes... :/
[20:25] <cjwatson> Saviq: done
[20:37] <Saviq> cjwatson: thanks


[09:03] <cristian_c> Hi
[09:04] <cristian_c> How can I find out the real upload history for a package in launchpad?
[09:04] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[09:04] <wgrant> A package in Ubuntu?
[09:04] <wgrant> What do you mean by "real upload history"?
[09:05] <cristian_c> wgrant, the last upload for a package
[09:05] <cristian_c> wgrant, an ubuntu package
[09:05] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg
[09:05] <wgrant> shows the latest version in each Ubuntu series
[09:08] <cristian_c> wgrant, ok, thanks :)
[14:13] <moo-_-> I am attempting my first Ubuntu package backport. Everything goes fine by backportpackage tool and in the end it says the package was uploaded to launchpad.net. however, the package never appears there.
[14:13] <moo-_-> http://pastie.org/6626670
[14:13] <moo-_-> and second question: do you need to sign your packages with a key known to Ubuntu Key Server (My PGP key is known)
[14:21] <moo-_-> aha
[14:21] <moo-_-> there was just a considerable delay
[14:21] <moo-_-> thank you for support!
[14:21] <moo-_-> :)
[15:42] <romaia> hello, does anybody know what could be the problem with this import:
[15:42] <romaia> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/134637721/romaia-stoq-master.log
[15:42] <romaia> is it something on the launchpad side, or the github side?
[15:44] <czajkowski> romaia: possibly github issue, not LP
[15:51] <romaia> czajkowski, ok. Do you know if there is a limit of how many times I can try to import?
[16:07] <dobey> romaia: is it a very large repository? error looks like the server is timing out because pulling it is taking too long
[17:14] <romaia> dobey, I think a complete new clone is about 30M
[17:42] <dobey> romaia: but how many revisions is it? i think the importer processes revisions while it's connected to the server and pulling them, rather than cloning to a local tree and then importing; which could cause timeouts to happen like that, on particularly large revisions or something.
[17:51] <romaia> dobey, its almost 7K revisions
[18:05] <dobey> romaia: I guess you just have to keep importing until it finishes. i think it will start at where it left off each time
[23:15] <mfisch> is it safe to dupe a private bug to a public bug? alternatively is it safe to "also affects" a public bug to a private one?
[23:17] <wgrant> mfisch: The former is fine, the second doesn't make sense: there's still a single bug, with a single privacy setting.


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