[15:07] <Sarvatt> ricotz: sorry about that, missed your libjpeg-dev build-dep commit
[15:25] <ricotz> Sarvatt, dont worry
[15:35] <ricotz> Sarvatt, jfyi, the jpeg patch wont work :\
[15:44] <Sarvatt> ricotz: so has wayland from edgers ever worked for you?
[15:45] <Sarvatt> ricotz: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/wayland.png that was the first one I uploaded, still the same today
[15:47] <Sarvatt> oh its using egl_gallium.so, no wonder
[15:48] <LLStarks> morning sarvatt
[15:50] <Sarvatt> EGL_DRIVER=egl_dri2 wstart is a *little* better, background is still screwed up the same way but the terminal comes up
[15:50] <Sarvatt> hiya
[15:51] <LLStarks> wayland?
[15:52] <LLStarks> wish there was an easier way to use it aside from the demos
[15:57] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/wayland2.png looks lovely :)
[15:59] <LLStarks> yeah, getting that with edgers
[15:59] <LLStarks> precise is fine
[16:01] <Sarvatt> LLStarks: so what kind of touchpad do you have that is screwed up in edgers?
[16:02] <LLStarks> synaptics
[16:02] <LLStarks> edgers oneiric driver has hypersensitive defaults
[16:03] <LLStarks> regular natty/oneiric/precise picks up my finger hovering over the touchpad
[16:07] <Sarvatt> hmm
[16:08] <Sarvatt> does synclient ResolutionDetect=0 change it any?
[16:08] <Sarvatt> distro specific patch that might interfere with upstream changes
[16:10] <Sarvatt> its crazy i dont have any machines with synaptics touchpads anymore
[16:10] <Sarvatt> everything is alps now
[16:11] <Sarvatt> guess i could try synaptics on a mac's bcm5974
[16:21] <LLStarks> that synclient command doesn't help. i can mess around with gpointing settings, but i have no idea what the options do
[16:21] <LLStarks> and they sometimes help, but not enough to make usable
[16:58] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i dont have it running well here neither
[17:05] <bjsnider> ricotz, re: the gold linker, i talked to the developer and he says there was a patch in july that fixed the kernel issue, which is why your precise build worked. that patch would also be in oneiric's binutils-gold, so there are no worries int he present or future
[17:16] <ricotz> bjsnider, alright, maybe this fix is worth backporting to lucid then
[17:19] <bjsnider> it is
[17:27] <bjsnider> but, backport the patch to binutils-gold or backport an update to everything that uses dkms to force the normal linker?
[17:41] <ricotz> bjsnider, backporting the binutils fix
[17:43] <bjsnider> i'll check to see if it builds
[17:45] <ricotz> bjsnider, to be clear i meant like backporting this specific fix to 2.20.1
[17:52] <bjsnider> yep, i understood
[17:53] <bjsnider> the questionis whether it will build against a 2 year old version, but i will check it out
[18:28] <bjsnider> ricotz, found the patch, tested it against the binutils package in lucid, and it works. it is a relatively small change. so what is the next step?
[18:44] <ricotz> bjsnider, i think link the bug against binutils attach a debdiff and ping doko to explain it
[18:45] <ricotz> bjsnider, #ubuntu-devel
[18:45] <bjsnider> cool
[18:47] <ricotz> bjsnider, you have checked the dmks build to confirm it works?
[18:47] <ricotz> *dkms
[18:48] <bjsnider> no
[19:01] <bjsnider> i'd need a guinea pig using lucid for that
[19:13] <ricotz> bjsnider, i guess if you get it into lucid-proposed you will find one
[22:41] <Sarvatt> zomg, is that what I think it is? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/1728#plugins/unityshell/src/GeisAdapter.cpp
[22:41] <Sarvatt> unity working with edgers? say it isn't so!
[22:42]  * Sarvatt prods the macbook air to build faster
[22:43] <Sarvatt> sure as heck looks like it'd fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/860707
[22:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 860707 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Unity crashes when started in an environment without utouch support (affects: 41) (dups: 2) (heat: 194)" [High,Confirmed]
[22:47] <Sarvatt> awesome, it does - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/850623
[22:47] <ubot4> Sarvatt: Error: Bug #850623 not found.
[22:47] <bryceh> nice
[22:47] <Sarvatt> been a real PITA not being able to use edgers directly for the past month and a half :)
[22:54] <RAOF> I have the multitouch server patches half-updated here.  Now that it seems like there's a workaround for the fn-f7 thingy I might finish that before kernel diving.
[22:55] <Sarvatt> guess i should package up xf86-input-mtrack properly since its pretty much required on this MBA
[22:56] <Sarvatt> RAOF: -background none from lightdm is just racy, i get it maybe 2/10 boots on this machine
[22:56]  * Sarvatt isn't surprised
[22:57] <RAOF> This is a fast sandybridge?  What happens on the failed boots?
[22:57] <Sarvatt> just no -background none, I dont even see the splash because it boots so fast
[22:57] <Sarvatt> if X is started in <8 seconds or so I dont get it
[22:58] <Sarvatt> unity doesn't build in parallel? ugh!
[23:00] <RAOF> Does here?
[23:01] <RAOF> Although cmake *does* manage the difficult feat of being a more annoying build system than autotools.
[23:03] <Sarvatt> does it?
[23:04] <Sarvatt> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=4" debuild -uc -us -b sure as heck doesn't
[23:04] <Sarvatt> watching it bounce around 100% cpu usage between the cores
[23:12] <Sarvatt> oh wow, xf86-input-mtrack is in debian now
[23:18] <RAOF> Why do we have another non-evdev input DDX, and why do Airs need it?
[23:23] <bryceh> would be sad if it's perceived as easier to create a whole driver from scratch than it is to update the existing driver
[23:29] <Sarvatt> i spent a few hours trying to make synaptics sane and gave up when this worked perfectly out of the box :)
[23:29] <RAOF> To some extent it will be; the kernel has a crazy lead-time for driver improvements.
[23:30] <Sarvatt> no luck with the unity change, avoids GeisAdapter, still crashes in libutouch-geis
[23:30] <Sarvatt> unity-2d it is
[23:40] <Sarvatt> time to rebuild unity with debug symbols
[23:48] <RAOF> I suggest also DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt nostrip"
[23:49] <RAOF> Orlando: 27C, Haze.
[23:49] <RAOF> Yeah, that sounds about right.
[23:51] <Sarvatt> Inside the conference rooms: 10C


[16:00] <ddstreet> o/
[16:01] <seb128> hey! I'm here but will not be able to stay for an hour
[16:04] <seb128> !DMB?
[16:04] <seb128> or do we have an alias of the sort?
[16:04] <ddstreet> i think it's set in #ubuntu-devel
[16:05] <seb128> Robie sent an email saying he can't do that one
[16:05] <ddstreet> but i suspect nobody else will be able to attend
[16:05] <ddstreet> yeah
[16:05] <seb128> Lukasz is at the same sprint than me, unsure if he plans to try to join or not
[16:05] <bdmurray> o/
[16:05] <ddstreet> i think everyone on the dmb except me and teward are at the sprint
[16:06] <bdmurray> I'm not at the sprint
[16:06] <teward> *waves*
[16:06] <teward> *slurps the caffeine elixirs*
[16:06] <seb128> Lukasz is in a session at least for another 10 min according to the calendar so we should probably not count on him
[16:06] <seb128> kanashiro, around?
[16:07] <seb128> should we start with those here?
[16:10] <seb128> hum, is my IRC lagging or is everyone just quiet?
[16:10] <bdmurray> Its quiet seb128
[16:11] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[16:11] <seb128> how do we get moving? I would chair the meeting if I was familiar enough with the process but I don't feel like I can do that efficiently today
[16:12] <bdmurray> ddstreet: ?
[16:12] <ddstreet> i can chair if there are no volunteers
[16:12] <ddstreet> #startmeeting Ubuntu Developer Membership Board
[16:12] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:12:48 UTC.  The chair is ddstreet.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:12] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[16:13] <ddstreet> #topic Current meeting chair
[16:13] <ddstreet> this hasn't been discussed for a while, but I think having only sil2100 on the list doesn't seem optimal; anyone else want to volunteer to be on the chairing rotation?
[16:14] <ddstreet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[16:14] <ddstreet> for reference, the agenda i'm going thru
[16:14] <bdmurray> I would after a couple of more meetings
[16:14] <seb128> I will do aft... same
[16:14] <ddstreet> ok guess we can bring it up again at later mtg
[16:14] <ddstreet> i'll skip the long-term action items as we usually do
[16:15] <seb128> 👍
[16:15] <ddstreet> #topic previous action items
[16:15] <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet announce fnordahl successful application
[16:15] <ddstreet> this is done
[16:15] <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet adjust fnordahl PPU acl
[16:15] <ddstreet> this is done, i haven't checked the TB bug (there is a later item to check it)
[16:15] <ddstreet> #subtopic kanashiro announce athos successful application
[16:15] <ddstreet> this is listed as done
[16:16] <ddstreet> #subtopic kanashiro adjust athos ACL for MOTU
[16:16] <ddstreet> also listed as done
[16:16] <ddstreet> #subtopic sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[16:16] <ddstreet> i assume this should be carried over, as he's not here
[16:16] <ddstreet> #action sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[16:16] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 update application docs and possibly DMB checklist, to make sure candidates have signed CoC before applying and before DMB approves (carried over)
[16:16] <ddstreet> #subtopic sil2100 start discussion on process/rules for when to create packageset vs PPU
[16:17] <ddstreet> will carry over as well since he's busy at the sprint
[16:17] <ddstreet> #action sil2100 start discussion on process/rules for when to create packageset vs PPU (carried over)
[16:17] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 start discussion on process/rules for when to create packageset vs PPU (carried over)
[16:17] <ddstreet> #subtopic teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[16:17] <ddstreet> carry over teward?
[16:17] <teward> yep
[16:17] <ddstreet> #action teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[16:17] <meetingology> ACTION: teward follow up to get all application process wiki/docs to explain the process to be able to edit wiki pages, for applicants who don't yet have wiki edit access (carried over)
[16:17] <ddstreet> ok that's all the previous action items
[16:17] <ddstreet> the only application is from me, for a ubuntu-support-uploaders team
[16:18] <ddstreet> does the rest of the board want to consider that now or defer it to a meeting where more members are present?
[16:19] <bdmurray> Are there people currently interested  and ready to join that team?
[16:19] <ddstreet> yes
[16:19] <seb128> I think we can review it now, or at least start discussing it
[16:20] <ddstreet> i actually am trying to hand this application off to a colleague, but haven't done that just yet
[16:20] <ddstreet> ok let's do at least an initial discussions then
[16:20] <ddstreet> #topic ubuntu-support-uploaders team application
[16:21] <ddstreet> for clarification, this request is to create a new DMB-managed team that has upload rights for a new packageset
[16:21] <bdmurray> will this team have the ability to approve their own members?
[16:21]  * bdmurray is reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation
[16:21] <ddstreet> initially, the only team member would be me (assuming i haven't passed this off to someone before its approved), and the initial first package is sosreport
[16:22] <ddstreet> bdmurray the DMB docs on this aren't exactly clear, at least to my reading, but no this would be a standard DMB-managed team that can't manage its own members; new members would need to apply to the DMB to join
[16:23] <bdmurray> okay
[16:23] <seb128> why do you feel like there is a need for a such team?
[16:24] <seb128> and who do you envision to be interested to join it?
[16:24] <ddstreet> so that the ACL for all the support team's packages is kept in a single packageset, so new members don't need to apply for PPU for a collection of packages
[16:25] <ddstreet> re: joiners, members of Canonical support and/or community members who support Ubuntu
[16:26] <ddstreet> i believe the setup would be very similar to the 'ubuntu-server' packageset, which is ACL'ed by the ~ubuntu-server-dev team
[16:26] <ddstreet> so anyone on the Canonical server team i suspect is familiar with that and understands the usefulness of the setup
[16:27] <bdmurray> For the server team I'd think its a stepping stone to core dev though.
[16:27] <ddstreet> seb128 if i understand the ~ubuntu-desktop team correctly (which has ACL to upload into the ubuntu-desktop packageset), that is different as far as managing its own members
[16:28] <ddstreet> bdmurray could be, though i don't think that's necessarily a goal for support members
[16:28] <seb128> I see the interest of creating a set, providing the content of the set has value to some people who aren't going to apply to more
[16:29] <seb128> I'm not really familiar with what the support team usually needs though, nor with sosreport
[16:29] <ddstreet> sosreport, systemtap, crash, gdb, etc
[16:30] <ddstreet> packageset additions would have to be approved by the DMB of course
[16:30] <ddstreet> initially it's only sosreport
[16:30] <seb128> right, I just foresee that to be of real use that set would need to include things like gdb and apport
[16:30] <bdmurray> Given that any changes, of people or packages, would be managed by the DMB I'm fine with creating this team.
[16:30] <seb128> which probably creates an higher contribution trust level than sosreport
[16:31] <ddstreet> seb128 absolutely, i just want to defer adding those packages until we can be sure we actually want/need upload rights for them
[16:31] <ddstreet> gdb, for example, generally hasn't really required us to upload fixes for it
[16:31] <ddstreet> even though we use it extensively
[16:31] <seb128> I feel like people doing those packages should probably aim for coredev
[16:32] <ddstreet> that might change in the future if/when debuginfod is implemented for ubuntu
[16:32] <seb128> doing uploads for*
[16:32] <ddstreet> seb128 why do you feel that? support's goal is very different and very far removed from devel release work
[16:32] <ddstreet> you may be viewing this from product engineering perspective
[16:33] <seb128> it's more that I see some of those components as key ubuntu packages, preinstalled
[16:33] <seb128> so I wouldn't hand upload right for those lightly
[16:33] <seb128> and to win the trust needed you would probably need significant uploads to Ubuntu
[16:33] <ddstreet> that seems more like a question of which specific packages should be in the packageset though, not if the packageset should be created in the first place?
[16:34] <seb128> right
[16:34] <ddstreet> if you haven't ever used sosreport, for example, do you think only coredevs should be able to upload that?
[16:34] <seb128> but the path leads me to wonder if the packageset is going to be of real use
[16:34] <seb128> no
[16:34] <ddstreet> crash likewise is heavily used by support, but i doubt if that really needs a coredev to upload it
[16:35] <seb128> right
[16:35] <ddstreet> in any case, the initial application only involves sosreport
[16:35] <seb128> I don't see an issue with creating that packageset
[16:35] <ddstreet> any more q from anyone?
[16:36] <ddstreet> since i'm applying for the packageset/team, i'll abstain from the voting
[16:36] <ddstreet> i would like to get things rolling before the next meeting though, is it ok with everyone here if I ask for a vote (and any further discussion) to happen on the ML?
[16:37] <seb128> that's ok with me
[16:37] <bdmurray> that's fine with me
[16:37] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet request discussion/voting on ubuntu-support-uploaders continue on ML
[16:37] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet request discussion/voting on ubuntu-support-uploaders continue on ML
[16:37] <ddstreet> ok thanks, i'll send an email to the list to follow up
[16:38] <seb128> just for clarification, my questions were basically aimed at getting a feeling on the value of a such set, but I've not been in the DMB long enough to really understand if that's something we should give consideration to
[16:38] <ddstreet> #topic open TB bugs
[16:39] <ddstreet> seb128 yep i understand, and i think the DMB might benefit from more defined docs to help new members (and old members!) understand what exactly the process and policies are
[16:39] <ddstreet> anyway, moving on
[16:39] <ddstreet> #subtopic fnordahl PPU
[16:39] <seb128> right, sorry for derailling thins :)
[16:39] <seb128> things
[16:39] <ddstreet> np :)
[16:39] <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/1967795
[16:39] <ddstreet> look like this is done
[16:39] <ddstreet> #topic AOB
[16:40] <ddstreet> #subtopic No single official source of DMB rules/procedures/policies, and KB wiki page is not complete or correct
[16:40] <ddstreet> I don't know if we want to discuss this here and/or in the ML
[16:40] <ddstreet> and this might just be my personal opinion
[16:41] <seb128> ML or another time
[16:41] <seb128> I need to wrap in a few minutes at least
[16:41] <ddstreet> #subtopic Suggestion (from ddstreet) to discontinue use of private DMB IRC channel, and keep all official communication public
[16:41] <ddstreet> this also is just a suggestion from me
[16:41] <ddstreet> no need to discuss now, if everyone needs to wrap
[16:41] <ddstreet> any comments before we end?
[16:42] <ddstreet> or any other AOB topics?
[16:42] <seb128> not from me
[16:42] <ddstreet> ok let's wrap, thanks everyone o/
[16:42] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[16:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:42:32 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-05-02-16.12.moin.txt
[16:42] <seb128> the private channel was discussed on the list iirc, we just need to come to an conclusion
[16:42] <seb128> let's try to do that next time
[16:42] <seb128> ddstreet, thanks!


[21:38] <n-iCe> Guys
[21:38] <n-iCe> Do we have virtual keyboard?
[21:40] <rud0lf> you mean on screen?
[21:40] <n-iCe> Yes
[21:41] <rud0lf> it's called Onboard, look in apps
[21:41] <n-iCe> Im there
[21:42] <n-iCe> But i cant make it appear
[21:44] <n-iCe> Where exactly
[21:44] <n-iCe> Onboard-keyboard does not show anything
[21:49] <rud0lf> press Ctrl+Esc, type "onboard", and press enter
[21:50] <n-iCe> ?
[21:50] <n-iCe> I dont have a keyboard
[21:50] <n-iCe> Its a tablet
[21:50] <rud0lf> oh okay
[21:50] <n-iCe> Hehe
[21:51] <n-iCe> Cant find it
[21:51] <n-iCe> Cant install xubuntu
[21:56] <n-iCe> rud0lf any other idea?
[21:59] <tomreyn> i think that if you dpeend on touch input, your best option so far is gnome-shell. maybe kde, too, not sure.
[23:06] <dre> accessability
[23:06] <dre> it's like on any of the login screens


[01:45] <Guest98728> Hello Everyone
[01:46] <Guest98728> Does anyone here know much about setting up Thin Clients?
[06:42] <Honcho501> hello
[06:44] <Honcho501> is anyone having problems with add/remove applications?


[00:14] <james0r2> how long after the Ubuntu release is xubuntu usually released?
[00:20] <knome> james0r2, at the same time.
[00:23] <james0r2> knome, cool. Is it at some arbitrary time on the 17th?
[00:23] <knome> yes, depends on multiple factors
[00:24] <knome> we will change the topic of this channel and publish a blog post, update social media etc when it's out
[00:25] <james0r2> okay cool. that was my next question. is there an easy url i can check from my phone? like xubuntu.org/releases/ or something?
[00:26] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/ will be the release announcement url
[00:26] <knome> so once that page has content... it's out.
[00:26] <james0r2> knome, great thx.
[02:14] <xubuntu674> Hey guys, I'm sure this has been asked a million times today, but is xubuntu 14.04 launching tonight/tomorrow?
[02:15] <holstein> !14.04 | xubuntu674
[02:17] <Unit193> !isitout
[02:18] <xubuntu674> Rog thanks guys, just excited, got a box begging for a clean install
[02:20] <holstein> xubuntu674: download and install it
[02:21] <holstein> its just not officially supported yet
[02:23] <Travis> Hello
[02:24] <Travis> Is there anyone who can assist me with figuring out why my Plantronics Voyager Legend headset won't play sound, yet it's paired?
[02:24] <holstein> !audio
[02:24] <holstein> !bluetooth
[02:25] <holstein> Travis: i would just isolate and test.. use a different audio device to make sure audio works.. use a different bluetooth device to test bluetooth.. test on other machines.. test on vedor supported operating systems
[09:11] <jimmy_birer> Hello everybody!
[09:11] <junka> hi
[09:11] <jimmy_birer> I am facing a problem with my resolution after a kernel update.
[09:12] <jimmy_birer> I moved from linux-image-3.11.0-19-generic to <IP_ADDRESS>-lowlatency because my fan wasn't working on the former ( Acer Aspire 5135)
[09:12] <jimmy_birer> But now, whatever I do, (add new mode via xrandr, restart X, boot with modeset on or off, acpi on off) nothing helped
[09:13] <jimmy_birer> My screen should be 1280x800 (it was at installation) and now it's 1024x768, which is not the optimal.
[09:13] <jimmy_birer> Question is, what can I do to get this fixed?
[09:16] <jimmy_birer> Anybody able to help?
[10:59] <XnOnymOusiX> hi!!! i'm new ubuntu user....tell me how to add widgets on destop....???
[11:33] <paul___> Hello, I've a problem after resuming my Laptop (Thinkpad X230) from sleep in xubuntu trusty beta. I can see the lockscreen, but after entering my password the screen is black. Switching VTY works, but the display brightness is tuned all the way down. Going back to VTY 7 it still shows a black screen, and using brightness controls does nothing. This is intel (i915) hardware. Anyone has an idea :-) Thanks
[11:34] <cfhowlett> paul___ best to ask in #ubuntu+1 for trusty support
[11:36] <paul___> Alright, thanks
[11:40] <cub> cfhowlett, at least for another hour or so? ;)
[11:40] <cfhowlett> cub "when it's done" ...
[11:43] <Silvey> Why so harsh? He seemed like he'd just wanted to raise some excitement, that's all
[13:10] <xubuntu647> what time today is xubuntu 14.04 out, please?
[13:11] <cfhowlett> xubuntu647 before April 18th ...
[13:12] <xubuntu647> ok, thanks.  i'll just keep hitting refresh on the downloads page ..     :)
[13:15] <Pici> cfhowlett: thats the best answer
[13:15] <cfhowlett> Pici trying to program a factoid now ...
[13:23]  * James0r4 has a new system ready for xubuntu 14.04
[13:23] <James0r4> eagerly waiting
[13:27] <amigamagic> do you know if it's possibile in thunar to select a view mode separate for each folder?
[13:28] <knome> xubuntu647, James0r4: you can join #ubuntu-release-party if you want to :)
[13:32] <amigamagic> I miss very much that feature from nautilus, windows resource explorer and other os desktop managers
[13:32] <amigamagic> I will try to ask in the xfce channel
[13:38] <starrats> good luck on getting an answer from anyone at that channel amigamagic, lol!
[13:38] <amigamagic> they are answering to me in this moment
[13:38] <amigamagic> :P
[13:42] <kibibyte__> hi
[13:42] <kibibyte__> when xubuntu 14.04 will be avaible ?
[13:43] <amigamagic> !isitout
[13:44] <kibibyte__> but it will relased with normal ubuntu ? same time ?
[13:44] <starrats> ah okay amigamagic, I'm surprised, you must know someone over there in that channel.
[13:45] <kibibyte__> ?
[13:45] <amigamagic> starrats, I don't know if it helped me in getting faster answers, but yesterday I proposed a patchfix for a bug of xfdesktop
[13:47] <amigamagic> kibibyte__, I think they will be out nearly at the same time
[13:47] <starrats> ah ok and cool amigamagic,  :)
[13:48]  * starrats is still trying to fathom 'normal ubuntu' is there an 'abnormal ubuntu'?  LOL!
[13:49] <cfhowlett> starrats certainly abnormal users ...
[13:49] <kibibyte__> i mean ubuntu with that crappy unity
[13:49] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:50] <cfhowlett> kibibyte__ many people like/love unity ...
[13:50] <starrats> lol cfhowlett
[13:52] <RFleming> Morning!
[13:52] <RFleming> today's the big day
[13:52] <amigamagic> do you know if is there a poll somewhere on unity vs gnome3 vs kde vs xfce, etc.?
[13:53] <cfhowlett> amigamagic poll?  who cares?  use what you like and what works for you!
[13:54] <starrats> Every time I see the word 'abnormal' I start to think of 'Young Frankenstein' movie with Igor looking for a new brain for the 'Monster' and the jar says abnormal and Igor tells the Doctor its from A.B. Normal, lol!
[13:54] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, of course... I'm just curious about what people think
[13:56]  * starrats will say this for his vote 'light not bloated' amigamagic
[13:59] <amigamagic> starrats, I see you like recent movies...
[14:02] <starrats> Love the old ones too, B&W ones are great.
[14:21] <kupo_> where the party channel at again
[14:21] <cfhowlett> !party|kupo_
[14:22] <Meerkat> come join, #ubuntu-release-party
[14:22] <junka> lol
[14:38] <xubuntu211> novità per l'uscita di xubuntu 14.10?
[14:38] <cfhowlett> !it|xubuntu211
[14:39] <xubuntu211> sorry
[14:39] <cfhowlett> xubuntu211 not to worry.
[14:40] <xubuntu211> xubuntu will be release at the same time of ubuntu?
[14:40] <cfhowlett> xubuntu211 yes
[14:41] <xubuntu211> anyone knows when?
[14:42] <cfhowlett> !party|xubuntu211
[14:45] <kupo_> being i been using 14.04 beta. i wont se emuch change heh
[14:45] <amigamagic> wow, finally the updates window notifier has popped up on my xubuntu 14.04 system... It's the first time I see that... So it works!
[14:45] <kupo_> never had that issue
[14:46] <kupo_> i get a weird synaptic issue though. where it changes all the words till you scroll back over
[14:46] <amigamagic> it was not an issue... It's just that I've never seen that.
[14:46] <amigamagic> kupo_, I saw that too
[14:50] <kupo_> updating kernel now. wish me luck
[14:50] <amigamagic> hey guys, do you know it's quite easy to add a deja-dup contextual menu "restore previous file version" in thunar too like you have in nautilus? I'm testing it now...
[14:51] <Meerkat> i wish I could install ubuntu with a no-pop-ups flag. I hate when software assumes I want something done.
[14:52] <amigamagic> what popups?
[14:52] <Meerkat> "notifications" as they're so neatly called.
[14:54] <amigamagic> I think you can disable them, but I think is nice to have some feedback when you insert a lan cable, when you connect to a wi-fi, etc.
[14:55] <Meerkat> there doesn't seem to be a way to disable all of them in one go. Every program that uses them has to have that option disabled.
[14:55] <holstein> Meerkat: remove notifications
[14:55] <Meerkat> that's how it was around 2012 anyway. I haven't bothered looking recently.
[14:55] <Meerkat> holstein, do you know the package name?
[14:56] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/104273/how-do-i-disable-pop-up-notifications-in-xubuntu is what i would try
[14:56] <holstein> info xfce4-notifyd
[14:56] <RFleming> Can you not just change the opacity of Notifications to 0 and disappear to 1?
[14:57] <holstein> maybe that has changed, but, when i looked into it, i just opened a package manager, sorted by installed applications and searched "notification"
[14:58] <Meerkat> if I remove xfce4-notifyd it wants to remove xubuntu-desktop, update-manager, and other stuff. I think this is the reason I never got rid of it before. :(
[14:59] <holstein> Meerkat: there are suggestions for "disable" around.. what have you tried?
[14:59] <knome> it's ok to remove xubuntu-desktop
[14:59] <Silvey> Removing xubuntu-desktop won't do any harm
[14:59] <Silvey> update-manager can be reinstalled again anyway
[15:12] <MrMaidx> Hi, how is it with release of Xubuntu? Will it come out at the same time as Ubuntu?
[15:15] <knome> MrMaidx, yes. you can join #ubuntu-release-party to anticipate the release with others
[15:16] <MrMaidx> Yes, I'm there, thanks. :)
[15:16] <junka> :D
[15:20] <MrMaidx> I hope it will be soon. My 13.10 is... well... not anymore as stable as it was when I installed it. :D
[15:20] <bekks> MrMaidx: 14.04 will not magically change that. :)
[15:20] <Silvey> hey... psst. check release page.
[15:20]  * Silvey runs
[15:20]  * junka runs too
[15:21] <MrMaidx> bekks: I need to wipe a whole system.
[15:21] <knome> Silvey, you can stop that now or get booted.
[15:22] <Silvey> I just did that once indirectly :P Don't worry, not going to say anything else
[15:31] <MrMaidx> So many spam and confused people at the release channel. :D
[15:32] <Silvey> release-party* channel
[15:42] <c3l> Can one expect a release today, or how much will xubuntu lag behind standard ubuntu release?
[15:42] <holstein> !release
[15:42] <knome> c3l, it will be released at the same time.
[15:44] <c3l> aha, well ubuntu is alreay relesed (http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/)
[15:44] <holstein> !isitout
[15:44] <knome> c3l, no, it's not.
[15:44] <holstein> c3l: very close
[15:45] <Silvey> phew for party channel +m
[15:45] <c3l> what are  you talking about? there are new files with no beta label
[15:45] <knome> c3l, the release is not final until it's announced.
[15:45] <knome> c3l, downloading those files will only make the release get postponed.
[15:46] <c3l> knome:  why did they upload new files and make them public?
[15:46] <knome> c3l, because they have to be made public at some point.
[15:47] <knome> c3l, updates are being pushed to the server now, so please hold off from downloading.
[15:47] <c3l> knome:  so these are the final images, but one shouldnt touch them yet?
[15:47] <holstein> c3l: its not released yet.. but, *very* close
[15:48] <knome> c3l, there is no guarantee they are the final images... and you are correct, you shouldn't touch them until the release is announced
[15:48] <c3l>  I dont get what makes this "not being released" the final images are right there
[15:48] <c3l> aha okay I see
[15:49] <knome> well it is not released until the announcement is out, the same as every release
[15:49] <knome> they could hide the images, but what difference would that make? people would hammer the server anyway
[15:49] <knome> one of the release team members just told he can't upload stuff that's needed for the release because people are hammering the server
[15:50] <knome> so it's literally postponing the release
[15:50] <Artemis3> knome, they ALWAYS hide the images around 24 hours
[16:04] <Meerkat> next lts, they should put up 8.04 as the 16.04 LTS and everyone who downloads it prematurely gets disappointed. =)
[16:05] <holstein> Meerkat: use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks!
[16:14] <xubuntu201> just wondering, when is Xubuntu 14.04 coming out? From what I was reading, it's supposed to be released today, I apologise if this is just running a bit late. :) just looking to change over from Windows XP
[16:14] <holstein> xubuntu201: it'll be out later today.. please wait
[16:14] <holstein> !isitout
[16:14] <junka> xubuntu201: Somepoint today
[16:14] <junka> !isitoutyet
[16:14] <xubuntu201> holstein and junka: my apologizes
[16:15] <xubuntu201> thank you
[16:15] <holstein> xubuntu201: no worries.. it'll be here :)
[16:15] <xubuntu201> can't wait :)
[16:16] <xubuntu201> anyway, should go to bed... haven't slept waiting for the release haha. Tootles.
[16:17] <xubuntu996> damn, it's like christmas. I can't wait for the release..
[16:19] <elfy> should have joined in with testing then, you'd have it already ;)
[16:20] <xubuntu996> indeed :-/
[16:22]  * elfy is unlikely to say more than that ...
[16:25] <raccoon__> i have 4 ssds and i am trying to do a fresh install of xubuntu and implementing lvm but i have never done lvm before any pointers?
[16:27] <kupo_> ah i am out of dvds to burn new iso on. my computer seems to not like booting from usb
[16:28] <kupo_> final releases are out meow
[16:28] <kupo_> lil bloated server though heh
[16:30] <Meerkat> raccoon__, be careful with the password you select. During the encryption password setting the keyboard will be set to US. So some characters switch places if you normally use something else as a keyboard layout.
[16:31] <raccoon__> oh thanks for the tip now if i could just figure out how to actually do it lol
[16:31] <elfy> Meerkat: pardon?
[16:32] <raccoon__> i want to just make the whole thing all of the ssds just like one big ssd and throw everything on it
[16:32] <xubuntu786> Since Ubuntu just went live, is there any ETA for Xubuntu?
[16:33] <Pici> Its not done yet.
[16:33] <RFleming> Sometime next week.
[16:33] <RFleming> :)
[16:33] <xubuntu786> Awesome, thanks guys!
[16:34] <kupo_> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:732039b01979d9fb5b235de91d942659c7d2418a&dn=xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftorrent.ubuntu.com%3A6969%2Fannounce
[16:34] <knome> kupo_, stop it.
[16:35] <raccoon__> would i just select lvm then put the whole installation on the first drive and the other drives would merge ?
[16:39] <Meerkat> you need raid-0
[16:40] <raccoon__> oh ok
[16:41] <Meerkat> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[16:42] <raccoon__> thank you so much so i dont use lvm ?
[16:42] <Meerkat> raccoon__, just so you are aware. RAID-0 will merge all the drives you select into 1. The operating system will think it is 1 big hard drive and if you remove 1 of them you cannot boot. If 1 of the drives fails you also cannot boot.
[16:42] <raccoon__> that is ok
[16:42] <Meerkat> raccoon__, you put LVM on top of the raid-0 volumes.
[16:42] <raccoon__> i see so this is something i do before the lvm process
[16:43] <elfy> Meerkat: "During the encryption password setting the keyboard will be set to US" is that related to the ibus bug - if that is the case then all one needs do is purge it prior to upgrading - if encryption is working differently then that needs reporting
[16:51] <v2> Fyi: torrent download for 14.04 is now working
[16:53] <knome> FYI: it's not final, please do not download yet.
[16:54] <v2> knome, are u sure?
[16:54] <holstein> v2: your patience is appreciated as you continue to wait and encourage others to do so
[16:54] <holstein> !isitout
[16:54] <knome> v2, yes, i'm 100% positive. i'm the xubuntu project lead.
[16:54] <v2> :-) I see - ok, I will stop leeching
[17:03] <xubub> yo dawg
[17:03] <xubub> where is 14.04?
[17:03] <knome> in the making.
[17:03] <junka> !isitout
[17:03] <xubub> :)
[17:04] <Chuyin> waitin' :D
[17:13] <Chuyin> Xubuntu 14.04 torrent is ready! http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[17:13] <junka> !isitoutyet
[17:14] <DomiX> Chuyin, cool, what about update from xubuntu 13.10 ?
[17:15] <Artemis3> it is good to download the torrent, it helps others, do it.
[17:15] <holstein> just not yet
[17:15] <knome> Chuyin, it is not.
[17:15] <holstein> its not officially released yet..
[17:15] <DomiX> ok
[17:15] <knome> Artemis3, no, it doesn't do good to download the torrent now
[17:16] <Chuyin> no? oh...
[17:16] <Artemis3> it does, do you even know how torrents work?
[17:16] <holstein> Artemis3: no.. not yet.. its not good yet
[17:16] <Chuyin> Sorry
[17:16] <knome> Artemis3, stop arguing.
[17:16] <Artemis3> in torrents, the more people the better.
[17:16] <knome> Artemis3, the torrent is not final yet.
[17:16] <holstein> Artemis3: its not released yet, friend.. you need to wait, and help us encourage others to wait
[17:17] <Artemis3> its not argue, its a fact, either you get it, or you dont. Also, the policy you are defending, has nothing to do with torrents, but the old mirroring method.
[17:17] <rsajdok> Chuyin: 64bit?
[17:17] <junka> Artemis3: STOP IT ;_;
[17:17] <knome> the final torrents aren't out yet.
[17:18] <knome> rsajdok, do not download anything yet.
[17:18] <xubub> "I'm am the oooper. I am the oooper."
[17:18] <Chuyin> Have to do some backup then..
[17:19] <Chuyin> i'm ashamed for share the torrent file :/
[17:20] <holstein> Chuyin: no worries.. just help us all encourage waiting
[17:20] <johnjason> When 14.04 goes final, will it be possible to upgrade my 13.10 with the image, or must it be done ovver the net?
[17:20] <Chuyin> Do some party here meanwhile? :D
[17:20] <holstein> johnjason: i was presented with that option
[17:20] <holstein> !party
[17:21] <johnjason> Thank you holstein :)
[17:21] <Chuyin> Ok :P
[17:21] <Meerkat> elfy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1047384 that is the issue with the keyboard layout.
[17:31] <xubuntu224> Hello, after installing xubuntu, my computer restarts and jumps into grub rescue, what can I do?
[17:31] <Breetai> What is the status of Xubuntu 14.04? Is there a blog entry about what is going on?
[17:31] <holstein> xubuntu224: i would try recovering grub
[17:31] <xubuntu224> How can I do that?
[17:31] <holstein> xubuntu224: something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair or
[17:32] <holstein> !grub
[17:32] <xubuntu224> thanks, will try
[17:45] <CyL> Do we have an ETA for Xubuntu?
[17:46] <holstein> !isitout
[17:46] <CyL> holstein: This mean we should expect it at any hour?
[17:47] <CyL> *any time
[17:47] <holstein> CyL: correct.. *anytime*.. and it will be soon.. your patience is appreciated
[17:47] <knome> CyL, it's out when it's ready. just wait patiently.
[17:48] <CyL> holstein, knome: Heh, I'm in no hurry, just thought that it could have a specific hour, just as it had a date
[17:50] <CyL> Changing subjects, I really like Xubuntu, even prefer it over Ubuntu,, but one feature last Ubuntu had I wish Xubuntu had was the possibility of a windows occupying exactly half the screen if dragged to a given edge of the screen. Is there anyway to have this feature in Xubuntu?
[17:50] <holstein> CyL: yes
[17:51] <CyL> holstein: How?
[17:51] <holstein> CyL: you can implement it with the window manager
[17:51] <CyL> holstein: Unfortunately I'm no code master.. out of the box?
[17:52] <holstein> CyL: AFAIK, it is not configured to do that out of the box
[17:53] <CyL> holstein: When you say implementing it with the windows manager, you say coding the feature and having it accepted by the upstream, right?
[17:54] <holstein> CyL: no. i mean configuring the window manager to do that
[17:55] <holstein> CyL: i use a distro, peppermintOS, and they use the xfce window manager, and have that feature out of the box, so i know its just a configuraion option
[17:55] <holstein> CyL: if you can learn how to refer to that feature, you can search for it.. "feature settings xfce" for example
[17:55] <holstein> CyL: i am not certain what that feature is referred to as..
[17:56] <elfy> sounds like tiling to me
[17:56] <elfy> though it works slightly differently for us
[17:56] <holstein> ^ that sounds right
[17:57] <holstein> +1 on tiling
[17:57] <holstein> not to be confused with " a tiling window manager"
[17:58] <elfy> CyL: try alt+F5 alt+F6 to start with - but it is not like ubuntu use
[17:58] <elfy> you can also I think drag to parts of window to tiel
[18:06] <Mike-Linux-NL> xubuntu 14.04 still not live?
[18:07] <c3l> There we go =)
[18:07] <CyL> elfy, holstein: Thanks for your advice, I'll give it a try oncce 14.04 has rolled out. I think I can tweak with the WM configs myself
[18:07] <CyL> !isitout | Mike-Linux-NL
[18:08] <Mike-Linux-NL> so still today then
[18:10] <mzr> If I've been on the Daily 14, can I just update/upgrade to the lts? or do I need to reinstall?
[18:10] <elfy> update and upgrade
[18:11] <mzr> thanks
[18:11] <elfy> dist-upgrade if it is necessary
[18:11] <Mike-Linux-NL> btw.. running 12.04 now.. is it safe to an "upgrade" or is it better to do a clean install? upgrading never worked for me so far...
[18:12] <mikeche1en> by definition upgrade should work...
[18:12] <slimjimflim> yay 14.04 LTS is out, except not for xubuntu yet
[18:12] <elfy> really?
[18:13] <slimjimflim> oh nm, xubuntu is out too
[18:13] <lderan> \o/
[18:13] <mikeche1en> yay!
[18:13] <slimjimflim> they literally updated the site within the last 1-2 min.
[18:13] <Mike-Linux-NL> ugh... just reading the news on xubuntu.org   i see a list with "known issues" ?
[18:13] <elfy> then actually read it Mike-Linux-NL :)
[18:13] <mikeche1en> whoops there are no files in the dl directory yet
[18:14] <junka> \o.
[18:14] <v9> *clap* *clap* *clap*
[18:14] <slimjimflim> mikeche1en: well i've got ubuntu with xfce too
[18:14] <Mike-Linux-NL> elfy: i just did :P
[18:14] <holstein> its literally just releasing... your patience is appreciated
[18:14] <mikeche1en> slimjimflim: xubuntu is just a metapackage
[18:14] <CyL> there is a typo in the download page --> "The 13.04 release, codenamed Trusty Tahr, is,,,"
[18:15] <mikeche1en> holstein: yeah thats what i figured :)
[18:15] <slimjimflim> CyL: lol yea i see that
[18:16] <holstein> ths sites are all just being updated, friends..
[18:16] <mikeche1en> f5 f5 f5 :D
[18:16] <mzr> patience is a virtue, right?
[18:17] <junka> !isitoutyet
[18:17] <mzr> what's the "return version" command?
[18:17] <mikeche1en> lsb_release -a
[18:18] <mzr> 14.04 LTS, yay!
[18:18] <junka> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ has a typo saying about 13.04
[18:19] <mzr> mhmm, thanks junka
[18:19] <Mike-Linux-NL> hmmm the xfce4-power manager not restoring screen power kinda holds me back... i always close my laptopscreen
[18:19] <Mike-Linux-NL> better wait for the fix ;)
[18:19] <CyL> Mike-Linux-NL: This happens on every laptop?
[18:20] <rsajdok> is brokne http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[18:20] <Mike-Linux-NL> running xubuntu 12.04 now... can close the lid. laptop goes in kind of suspend mode... when i open the lid i just press a key or mouse and screen pops back up
[18:21] <elfy> junka: fixed it
[18:21] <junka> elfy: :D
[18:21] <Mike-Linux-NL> but the release note says, that this "action" causes this bug in 14.04?
[18:22] <Chuyin> I can see the new release in http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ :D
[18:23] <elfy> CyL: we don't know if it is EVERY laptop - we are held back from making that judgement as very few people actually help to test xubuntu
[18:23] <v9> is the torrent download working or would I still download a non-final image?
[18:23] <AndChat220596> Torrent link should be trusty not precise I think
[18:24] <CyL> As noted the torrent link is dead, it seems to point to the right torrent on the wrong directory (precise): /xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[18:24] <knome> CyL, fixed.
[18:24] <CyL> elfy: I see, but the bug is persistent among the testers who tested it on a laptop?
[18:25] <elfy> yes
[18:25] <mikeche1en> Mike-Linux-NL: i had that problem on my laptop only when using the proprietary driver
[18:25] <elfy> CyL: follow the links to the actual bug report
[18:26] <CyL> Indeed, trying to access the following file yeld a success download:: /xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[18:27] <CyL> Anyway, I probably don't have to bee worring too much, will be running it on a vm...
[18:27] <Mike-Linux-NL> mikeche1en: i use an Asus K50IJ. so its all intel
[18:27] <mikeche1en> Mike-Linux-NL: ah i see
[18:28] <Chuyin> The link http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent seems to be broken
[18:28] <CyL> Chuyin: See my last couple of messages
[18:28] <knome> Chuyin, refresh the page, it's fixes ages ago
[18:29] <Chuyin> ok
[18:30] <Chuyin> All right! :D Downloading...
[18:30] <drmad> There are no seeders for xubuntu amd64 :(
[18:31] <mikeche1en> i see 50+ seeders
[18:31] <CyL> drmad: I'm seeding it
[18:31] <mikeche1en> its not going that fast right now but im sure it will speed up
[18:31] <CyL> Oh, sorry, I'm not seeding it, I'm *seeing* it
[18:31] <drmad> :)
[18:32] <mikeche1en> ill seed once it completes :)
[18:32] <CyL> I have 2.5 MBit/sec
[18:34] <mikeche1en> lucky :D
[18:36] <slimjimflim> Mike-Linux-NL: i noticed that power not restoring screen power too
[18:38] <CyL> well folks, good bye, see you later!
[18:42] <rsajdok> when will be available be do-release-upgrade ?
[18:42] <mikeche1en> hey the download link on http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/ is still broken
[18:44] <knome> mikeche1en, it's being worked on by canonical.
[18:45] <mikeche1en> knome: ok, the http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/ url seems to work fine
[18:52] <v9> download complete - will let it seed for a while before installing. And before I forget: a special thank to everyone involved with the making of this release and with the support on this channel !!
[19:00] <rsajdok> 9 hours remaining... :)
[19:00] <JimmyNeutron> !hash
[19:03] <junka> rsajdok for what
[19:03] <DomiX> !isitout
[19:05] <xfce_user> hi
[19:06] <xfce_user> is ubuntu 14.04 support time 5 years and xubuntu 14.04 3 years?
[19:06] <martinrame> Hi, does anyone know which repository has 14.04 ready for download? I'm doing "sudo do-release-upgrade" but No new release found from the USA Server.
[19:07] <andy___> is there somewhere i can check the md5 of the iso?
[19:08] <Mike-Linux-NL> 14.04 is out.... is there a 14.10 alpha available already? :P
[19:08] <rsajdok> junka: download by torrent
[19:09] <Pici> Mike-Linux-NL: no, the toolchain hasn't even been built yet
[19:09] <rsajdok> martinrame: me too
[19:09] <xfce_user> is ubuntu 14.04 support time 5 years and xubuntu 14.04 3 years? -_-
[19:10] <junka> yes xfce_user but some packages will have 5 years because it's based on ubuntu's core
[19:10] <xfce_user> jcfp, and why? :)
[19:10] <JimmyNeutron> Where can I get the hash/md5sum for xubuntu 14.04?
[19:11] <xfce_user> junka,  and why? :)
[19:12] <lnostdal> is xubuntu 14.04? .. got a torrent? .. i have a 100Mbit (both ways) connection and wanna seed :)
[19:12] <lnostdal> is xubuntu 14.04 out*
[19:12] <rsajdok> lnostdal: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[19:13] <junka> lnostdal: yeah there is go check xubuntu.org
[19:13] <rsajdok> lnostdal: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[19:13] <junka> xfce_user: what do u mean?
[19:13] <lnostdal> rsajdok: awesome, thanks!
[19:14] <Pici> !torrents
[19:18] <notwist> seeding now as well :)
[19:18] <gruntz> Hi. What is the proper way to upgrade xubumtu from release to release? (in this case from 13.10 to 14.04)
[19:18] <gruntz> or clean install would be better?
[19:19] <holstein> i prefer clean insatll.. otherwise, the update manager should offer
[19:41] <drmad>  Seeders! \o/ 59 mins remaining :3
[19:45] <Unit193> drmad: I'm uploading at 500KB/s on just the one torrent. :)
[19:51] <drmad> Unit193: \o/
[20:10] <mikeche1en> holstein: is do-release-upgrade supposed to work yet?
[20:10] <bekks> No.
[20:10] <bekks> You have to wait until the mirrors are synced.
[20:12] <juanmontoya> I installed Xubuntu.14.03 beta. Do I have to reinstall now that the final version has been released or a simple apt-get update and upgrade will do?
[20:13] <mikeche1en> juanmontoya: i think that will work, also apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:13] <juanmontoya> (y) thanks.
[20:19] <Pici> !final | juanmontoya
[20:20] <juanmontoya> :O
[20:23] <Arceye> anyone know how I can back up the settings of xchat ?   so when I upgrade to latest xubuntu I can restore it to how I have it now ?
[20:24] <mikeche1en> Arceye: the settings should not be affected by upgrade
[20:25] <mikeche1en> Arceye: they are probably store in ~/.xchat or ~/.config/xchat if you want to backup
[20:26] <Arceye> mikeche1en, I downloaded iso, put it on disc and I got option to clean install or install dual boot.   should I have had another option for upgrade ?
[20:28] <mikeche1en> Arceye: yeah you prob want to do upgrade
[20:28] <mikeche1en> what version are you on now?
[20:28] <Arceye> mikeche1en, currently 13.XX    , di never got option to upgrade or is that later in the install
[20:29] <Arceye> di = I
[20:29] <Pici> which 13.x release?
[20:29] <Kekai> is 14.04 out for download via the updater?
[20:30] <Pici> Kekai: not yet
[20:30] <mikeche1en> Arceye: check if using 13.04 or 13.10
[20:30] <Arceye> mikeche1en,  how do i check
[20:30] <Pici> Kekai: some mirror issues are causing delays, but it should be fixed in a few hours
[20:30] <mikeche1en> Arceye: lsb_release -a
[20:31] <Kekai> So I will be contacted in a few hours saying that 14.04 is out?
[20:31] <Arceye> mikeche1en, 13,10
[20:31] <mikeche1en> Arceye: huh weird idk then
[20:31] <Pici> Kekai: yes, you should be alerted
[20:31] <mikeche1en> Arceye: just wait for the update through software center i guess
[20:31] <Kekai> hm..
[20:32] <Kekai> should I update tonight as it rolls out or wait a while?
[20:32] <Arceye> mikeche1en, at what point when booting from disc should I have the option to upgrade
[20:32] <Kekai> to see if there are some issues I need to be worried about
[20:33] <mikeche1en> Arceye: you dont have to boot from the disk, just insert it while xubuntu is running
[20:34] <Arceye> mikeche1en, ok will try that
[20:34] <mikeche1en> Arceye: i think that should work
[20:35] <Arceye> mikeche1en, disc inserted , wish me luck :)
[20:36] <mikeche1en> good luck :)
[20:40] <Arceye> mikeche1en, disc spins up, but nothing happens, I can however browse the content
[20:40] <ed-> can I assume that the known issues will be fixed in upcoming dist-upgrades, or will  some of them remain until the next LTS?
[20:40] <mikeche1en> Arceye: try opening software center -> software sources
[20:40] <ed-> I'd really stick to LTS releases as far as possible
[20:45] <brainwash> ed-: they will be fixed once someone has provided a working and tested patch
[20:45] <Arceye> mikeche1en, :(  I guess I either do clean install ( which will take days to set up again ) or wait till upgrade comes via updates
[20:48] <Arceye> mikeche1en, is there not a file I can browse to on the disc and click on it ( in the same way as windows would allow ) ?
[20:49] <mcvoicex> hi all, i find't german support for xubuntu. can you help me?
[20:51] <Pici> !de
[20:52] <mikeche1en> Arceye: did you try software sources -> other software -> add volume?
[20:53] <mikeche1en> Arceye: if thats not working i would suggest just waiting for the repos to update
[20:53] <mikeche1en> unless you dont mind doing a clean install which could erase your current system
[20:54] <Arceye> mikeche1en, add volume said error scanning the CD
[20:55] <mikeche1en> Arceye: oh well, just wait then
[20:56] <mikeche1en> i was trying to do the same thing
[20:56] <mikeche1en> but no luck
[20:56] <Arceye> mikeche1en,  I guess I will have to, clean install isn't an option, it will take days to get things the way I want them with my lack of knowledge. Thanks for the assistance
[20:57] <mikeche1en> Arceye: sure, yeah i think its better to wait a little while than lose all the settings
[20:57] <Alan> oh wow
[20:58]  * Alan looks at the known issues
[20:59] <Arceye> All I am hoping for is some kind of improvement to allow web pages to work better ;)
[21:01] <m1chael> Package linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[21:01] <m1chael> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[21:01] <bekks> m1chael: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get installl ...
[21:02] <m1chael> i thought i was pretty up to date
[21:03] <Unit193> Why are you installing the headers directly?  Why not just pull in the meta?
[21:04] <m1chael> i'm getting an error when starting virtualbox
[21:04] <mikeche1en> Arceye: what problems are you having with web pages
[21:09] <Arceye> mikeche1en, Probably easier for me to say I moved from winXP a few months ago this PC feels like it has become 5 years older than it really is. I am not putting xubuntu or any other linux distro down, they just don't run as well for what I do. However xubuntu is free so I don't have high expectations
[21:10] <mikeche1en> Arceye: hmm i wonder, what are the system specs?
[21:10] <mikeche1en> Arceye: web browsing should be just as fast as winxp, especially using chrome
[21:10] <Arceye> mikeche1en,  AMD athlon64 2GB ram more HDD space than I will ever use with linux
[21:11] <Arceye> mikeche1en,  I can some it up in a single word, "Flash"
[21:11] <mikeche1en> Arceye: hmm it would help to have more ram but 2gb should be decent
[21:11] <mikeche1en> Arceye: oh yeah flash is a different issue
[21:11] <mikeche1en> i pretty much avoid flash completely
[21:12] <m1chael> http://dpaste.com/1783937/ # i'm trying to install virtualbox and i'm running in to this issue Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMSError! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.8.0-19-generic cannot be found.
[21:12] <Arceye> mikeche1en, it's so widely used it's unavoidable, I can't even watch youtube properley ( even using html5 option )
[21:12] <mikeche1en> things like youtube use html5 now
[21:13] <mikeche1en> Arceye: why doesnt html5 work on youtube?
[21:13] <Arceye> mikeche1en, yes it works, but a 30 second video lasts 32 seconds , it's just slow
[21:14] <mikeche1en> Arceye: hmm weird, might be the video card?
[21:14] <mikeche1en> i also use flashblock to make sure only 1 webpage is running flash at a time
[21:15] <Arceye> mikeche1en, I am sure the gfx card is the excuse I have been given every time, but I will never accept that as the answer, I used ubuntu 10.x some years ago and youtube worked perfectly
[21:16] <mikeche1en> Arceye: have you checked about installing proprietary drivers?
[21:16] <mikeche1en> or maybe disabling desktop compositing
[21:17] <Arceye> mikeche1en, In the end I appreciate the help I get in here, without these channels I would be lost, So I accept there are certain limitations which are unavoidable
[21:17] <Arceye> mikeche1en, prop drives not available for my card ATI 3650 DV
[21:18] <mikeche1en> Arceye: ah yeah, i wonder what the source of the problem is
[21:19] <Arceye> No idea, all I can say is it worked in the 10.x ubuntu and now by comparison it doesn't, I just accept it, and use this pc for nothing more than basic browsing and irc, there isn't much else I can do with the current OS
[21:21] <Arceye> unfortunately I can't justify win7 on this PC either, so I will just use it till it dies then turn it into a file server
[21:21] <mikeche1en> and you are using xubuntu, not regular ubuntu? sometimes unity is very resource intensive
[21:22] <mikeche1en> the only other thing i might suggest would be lubuntu, which uses even less resources
[21:22] <Arceye> mikeche1en, I am using xubuntu, all other versions were terrible
[21:22] <mikeche1en> but it sounds like the issue is specifically with flash, not overall system resources
[21:23] <mikeche1en> i guess you have tried both firefox & chrome?
[21:23] <Arceye> mikeche1en, Just opening the browser FF or chrome takes longer than it does in winXP
[21:24] <mikeche1en> Arceye: hmm does it have a lot of tabs open or anything? that sounds like some issue besides flash
[21:24] <mikeche1en> have you checked system monitor to see if something is hogging cpu or memory
[21:25] <kupo_> official xubuntu  out yet? was at store buying new tv
[21:25] <kupo_> grabbed some blank dvds though
[21:25] <mikeche1en> kupo_: iso is out
[21:25] <mikeche1en> see topic
[21:25] <kupo_> ok thanks
[21:25] <Arceye> mikeche1en, Yes, the issue is the OS, I can't say any more than that, winXP and xubuntu dual boot same hardware, winXP wins hands down on everything except basic boot time to usable desktop
[21:25] <kupo_> wonder how busy server is heh
[21:25] <mikeche1en> kupo_: use torrent :D
[21:26] <kupo_> yeah. i was about to say. always torrent. will seed away too
[21:26] <Arceye> kupo_, I am seeding it via torrent a long with 1000's of others mine took me about 4 mins to download ( I do however have very fast net speed )
[21:26] <mikeche1en> Arceye: yeah something weird must be going on, but its hard to guess what
[21:26] <Arceye> mikeche1en, the only answer is the OS :)
[21:27] <kupo_> yeah. not having a problem with speed heh. i get good upload. about 1.3 MB. so i will help others :)
[21:27] <Arceye> I know those words are not welcome here but for me, it's a fact
[21:27] <mikeche1en> Arceye: well i run xubuntu on a 1.5ghz atom and firefox with no tabs opens in a few sec
[21:27] <mikeche1en> im saying something weird is going on with the os
[21:28] <mikeche1en> but i dont know what :)
[21:28] <Arceye> mikeche1en,  I will agree with that :)
[21:28] <mikeche1en> its a mystery :D
[21:29] <mikeche1en> im sure upgrading the hardware would help, but then you have to invest more $$ into it
[21:30] <Arceye> I have a gaming PC which I use for most things now, this PC since February is pretty much redundant
[21:31] <mikeche1en> yeah that makes sense
[21:31] <mikeche1en> if you can find some cheap/free ram to add, that might help
[21:32] <Arceye> I will do the upgrade, I did play with the live disc for a few minuted and the desktop seems to have improved over the curent version, It's started to look more like winXP :)
[21:32] <peyam> HEj
[21:33] <peyam> 3 years support for xubuntu 14.04? or should it be 5?
[21:33] <kupo_> ok download complete. i think i may just start fresh system.
[21:33] <peyam> Im downlaoding as well
[21:33] <kupo_> i'm quick at my themeing etc. plus it's fun. nerd fun
[21:33] <Arceye> peyam, I think I read it was 3
[21:33] <bekks> peyam: 3.
[21:33] <peyam> yes but the regular ubuntu is 5 years
[21:34] <bekks> peyam: And xubuntu isnt the regular ubuntu. 3 years.
[21:34] <Arceye> bekks, please excuse my ignorance here, but isn't the difference only the gui between the two ?
[21:35] <knome> Arceye, default DE, default apps, default settings
[21:35] <peyam> bekks, xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce as far as I know. If I had written that xubuntu isn't ubuntu someone would say the apposite. does that mean that xubunt wont provide the kernel update after 3 years?
[21:35] <bekks> Arceye: Basically yes.
[21:35] <Arceye> bekks, thanks
[21:35] <peyam> so 3 years it is.. nice.. looking forward to see the new xubuntu
[21:35] <bekks> peyam: The xubuntu components have 3 years of support. All common components used by ubuntu as well have 5 years.
[21:35] <Arceye> peyam, it looks nice on the live cd :)
[21:36] <peyam> bekks, thanks :) Arceye I hope so.. LibreMenu was an excellent choise to edit the menu!
[21:38] <peyam> knome, the problem with thunar, not mounting the devices automaticlly, is solved?
[21:39] <knome> peyam, read the release announcement/notes.
[21:39] <peyam> knome, you can't just tell me?
[21:39] <kupo_> alright. uploading at 1.3 MB . enjoy !! going to reinstall fresh shortly
[21:40] <knome> peyam, i'm not an information machine... besides, if you don't read the release announcement, you won't what known issues you might run into
[21:40] <peyam> knome, thanks..
[21:43] <peyam> Arceye, you like it so far?
[21:44] <Arceye> peyam, I ahev only seen the desktop from live cd, I was hoping to upgrade from 13.10, but alas no option for me to do that :(
[21:44] <peyam> I see. two known issues were be problem for me.
[21:45] <peyam> Arceye, personally I never recommend upgrading a dist on that way
[21:46] <kupo_> you can upgrade  right? when i was on 13.10  i did sudo update-manager -d
[21:46] <Arceye> peyam, clean install isn't something I am willing to do, I have such a lack of knowledge, It would take me days
[21:46] <kupo_> that's how i wwa son beta anywayys
[21:47] <kupo_> i'm about to start from scratch though. burrning disc now
[21:49] <Arceye> kupo_, if it's not a point and click upgrade then for me it doesn't have an upgrade option. I have the dvd burned, just not willing to lose everything I have set up, the guys in here helped me get things working and I don't want to put them through it again
[21:50] <kupo_> well. i didn't lose anything when i upgraded via terminal. but i understand
[21:50] <kupo_> i use 2 hd's so that's never much of a problem for me i guess
[21:50] <Arceye> my personal opinion is that command line should stay in the 70's where it belongs :)
[21:51] <kupo_> ok. time to start over. see ya
[22:06] <bacil> hello
[22:07] <bacil> ive just installed xubuntu 14 and autocomplete feature in eclipse just stopped working, i guess xubuntu uses ctrl+space as shortcut for something and "hijacks" it from eclipse :D Any idea how to solve this ? :P
[22:12] <drmad> well, it's time to install xubuntu in my pc :D
[22:14] <amigamagic> drmad, don't... It will implode your pc... :D
[22:15] <CyborgCygnus> Can you update a xubuntu iso with zsync in windows?
[22:22] <jamesmcveity> do-release-upgrade says "no new release found"
[22:22] <jamesmcveity> is that the proper dist upgrade for xubuntu?
[22:24] <xubuntu770>  I've just installed 14.04 ... there's a strange problem with items placed on my desktop - they are not visible but according to 'ls ~/Desktop/' they are there. Anyone?
[22:25] <knome> jamesmcveity, release upgrades aren't enabled just yet.
[22:26] <jamesmcveity> knome: okay thanks.  but that would be be the proper route once enabled?
[22:26] <knome> jamesmcveity, yep, or via update-manager (GUI)
[22:32] <yochai> anyone else experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736 ?  Just upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04.
[22:33] <knome> yochai, well apparently yes, it being a "known issue"
[22:33] <yochai> i was wondering if anyone knew of a way to bring the cursor back
[22:33] <yochai> just trying to find a way to deal with the bug
[22:34] <knome> don't suspend by closing the lid, use the menu
[22:34] <knome> would be the best workaround.
[22:34] <yochai> so far I've setup xrandr to run and turn the screen
[22:34] <yochai> oh
[22:34] <yochai> right
[22:34] <yochai> i thought it happened either way
[22:34] <x770> yochai, same here
[22:34] <yochai> ok
[22:34] <yochai> so i'll just do that
[22:34] <knome> at least afaik
[22:34] <knome> try it.
[22:34] <yochai> thank you.
[22:34] <yochai> I thought I did; maybe I muddled my own process though
[22:34] <yochai> I will
[22:34] <yochai> I appreciate the response
[22:34] <yochai> thanks!
[22:37] <xubuntu981> hi
[22:38] <skribblezatcha> hi xubuntu981.
[22:38] <xubuntu981> I want to know if xubuntu 14.04 will work with netbook having Atom N2800 processor
[22:39] <skribblezatcha> what is the ram included xubuntu981?
[22:39] <xubuntu981> 2gb
[22:39] <skribblezatcha> how old is the netbook if you dont mind me asking?
[22:40] <xubuntu981> 1year
[22:40] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, i think that you are good to go xubuntu. i am running xubuntu trusty 14.04 on a laptop with 2gb ram and it just turned 3yrs old on december 2013.
[22:40] <skribblezatcha> so i think that you can run it.
[22:41] <skribblezatcha> go for it and see how it runs, if you dont like it..you can always find something else to run on it you know what i mean?
[22:41] <x770> after having disabled to display the standard icons for drives, trash bin etc. on the desktop, none of my other items placed on the desktop are visible. In addition, I cannot re-enable to show those standard icons I've switched off before.
[22:42] <xubuntu981> ok but should i try 32bit or 64
[22:42] <skribblezatcha> have you tried restarting x to see if that helps x770?
[22:42] <bekks> xubuntu981: if your cpu is 64bit, then it should be 64bit.
[22:42] <skribblezatcha> i run a 32bit system since i only have 2gb ram xubuntu981, and its a pae kernel so you are good with 32bit.
[22:43] <skribblezatcha> you can run a 64bit system if you want to though, if you have a 64bit cpu.
[22:43] <bekks> PAE kernel on less than 4GB are useless.
[22:43] <Zorp_> where can i find the alternate iso image(s)?
[22:43] <skribblezatcha> i have a 64bit system, but i run a 32bit system.
[22:43] <knome> Zorp_, there aren't any.
[22:43] <bekks> Zorp_: The are obsolete.
[22:43] <skribblezatcha> 32bit OS*
[22:43] <Zorp_> why is the current release page referencing them then?
[22:44] <x770> skribblezatcha, yes, I did. I didn't help :-/
[22:44] <knome> Zorp_, which one?
[22:44] <Zorp_> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/
[22:44] <xubuntu981> ok thanks
[22:44] <Zorp_> ". Installing with the alternate or Minimal CD requires you to have only 128 MB of memory."
[22:44] <skribblezatcha> hmmm, i see. x770 are you using a final release iso?
[22:44] <knome> Zorp_, under the "...for Xubuntu 12.04" header.
[22:45] <gooch> skribblez, can i ask why?
[22:45] <Zorp_> ah, i see
[22:45]  * Zorp_ slaps himself
[22:45] <x770> skribblezatcha, I think so - downloaded 2 hours ago using the torrent link on the announcement page
[22:46] <skribblezatcha> i run a 32bit OS because it uses less resources meaning less ram and less cpu than an 64bit OS. so if i only have 2gb ram, what is the point of me running a 64 bit OS gooch?
[22:46] <skribblezatcha> ok cool x770. i was just wondering..thanks.:)
[22:47] <skribblezatcha> i just went and added the trash to the desktop here and then removed it. so i dont know what would cause that x770.
[22:51] <skribblezatcha> x770: how did you remove the icons if you dont mind. you did remove them through the gui right..and didnt just right click on an icon and go to delete?
[22:53] <x770> skribblezatcha, I appreciate your help ... the beast is just not behaving the same here ... Yes, via right click -> Desktop Settings -> Icons -> Default Icons (there I unticked all icons, i.e. Home, Filesystems, etc.)
[22:53] <skribblezatcha> ok, and then to retick them doesnt add them back? thats odd.
[22:53] <skribblezatcha> right, i hear you man. sometimes it happens and leaves us baffled in the process. lol
[22:54] <x770> skribblezatcha, :-X
[22:54] <skribblezatcha> lol
[22:54] <jamesmcveity> knome: I've yet to upgrade a dist.  Does doing a fresh install vs upgrading any dis/advantages?
[22:55] <gooch> oh i see
[22:58] <x770> skribblezatcha, uhmm, perhaps it's related to the prop. Nvidia driver ... sounds stupid but you never know ... gonna try to revert back to nouveau
[22:58] <x770> brb ..
[22:59] <knome> jamesmcveity, fresh install won't have configuration (migration) or other upgrade problems, but takes a bit more work, especially if you need to backup stuff.
[22:59] <knome> jamesmcveity, other than that, not really, it'll end up pretty much the same
[22:59] <skribblezatcha> i bet that x770 comes back with things working.:)
[23:00] <jamesmcveity> knome: thanks.
[23:00] <peyam> no automatic trim
[23:00] <peyam> I like it. Had to do some modification otherwise its stable.
[23:01] <PhoenixSTF> hey guys, 1st issue of the day, kernel panic on an old eepc 1101ha
[23:01] <PhoenixSTF> :)
[23:01] <PhoenixSTF> btw great job on 1404 ;) graz guys
[23:02] <peyam> I need to be sure. does 14.04 provide automatic trim?
[23:04] <gooch> can i install cinnamon in 14.04?
[23:04] <bekks> peyam: If unsure, add the specific fstab option.
[23:04] <peyam> just did
[23:04] <peyam> thanks anyone. time for me to sleep
[23:04] <peyam> bye
[23:14] <x770> skribblezatcha, my problem is solved - it's related to the Nvidia driver and how it handles multiple displays. I had to turn off the laptop display in the dirver settings and voila, all my icons are shown on the external monitor :-)
[23:14] <skribblezatcha> nice x770, good to hear man.:)
[23:15] <skribblezatcha> most times when you hear someone mention what happened to you..or panels disappearing, things like that. its a graphics driver related issue.
[23:18] <x770> skribblezatcha, true ... and I feel a little bit stupid ... well, time for a beer here ;-)
[23:18] <skribblezatcha> okie dokes x770. have a good one and take it easy.
[23:19] <skribblezatcha> be safe and God bless you man.;)
[23:22] <x770> skribblezatcha
[23:22] <x770> skribblezatcha, thx for your support man. Just opened a Paulaner Lager ,,, unfortunately we still can't transfer a can of beer ... I think I should file a bug for Xubuntu ;-)
[23:22] <delt> hmm... some pretty bad bugs still present in the final release... "Window manager shortcut keys don’t work after reboot (1292290)"
[23:23] <skribblezatcha> lol x770.
[23:23] <delt> oops wrong channel
[23:23] <skribblezatcha> yw man. i actually dont drink but the gesture is dope.;)
[23:28] <schreber> how is thunar behaving in 14.04 ?
[23:29] <PhoenixSTF> oh crap, my wifes eeepc 1101ha just burned the charger plug....
[23:29] <PhoenixSTF> while I was trying use a boot pen
[23:31] <skribblezatcha> o wow PhoenixSTF. is she going to be upset?
[23:31] <PhoenixSTF> skribblezatcha, whe will probably demand a new one, it is an old ass netbook
[23:31] <PhoenixSTF> *she
[23:32] <skribblezatcha> i think that you can get one of those universal chargers at walmart or something.
[23:32] <PhoenixSTF> skribblezatcha, thats the thing its is not the charger
[23:32] <skribblezatcha> my dad's laptop's charger went and he got one of those universal chargers for it and it works.
[23:32] <PhoenixSTF> I have a 1215B that uses the same charger
[23:33] <skribblezatcha> o i see. i get what you mean now..wow.
[23:33] <skribblezatcha> so it flipped out. then its time for a new one.
[23:33] <PhoenixSTF> I think it was the mobo that has gone kaput
[23:33] <skribblezatcha> right, i feel you.
[23:33] <PhoenixSTF> ya... time to search for a new one
[23:34] <PhoenixSTF> hardest part is, fiding one without the freaking windows thing
[23:35] <skribblezatcha> i know right. well there are people that have successfully booted a linux distro using those uefi bios setups.
[23:36] <PhoenixSTF> thats not even the issue, I have to send the laptop to the brand to remove the licence cause I wont agree with the EULA, I may have to wait like one month for it
[23:37] <PhoenixSTF> speacially I am living on a island that makes things so much difficult
[23:37] <skribblezatcha> o i see.
[23:38] <recon_lap> I hope never to buy a computer that has the BIOS locked to a vender
[23:38] <skribblezatcha> right right. so if you send the laptop to the brand to remove the license, what does that allow PhoenixSTF?
[23:38] <skribblezatcha> or what does that do?
[23:38] <skribblezatcha> same here recon_lap..but that means that basically you arent getting a new one.
[23:38] <skribblezatcha> because it seems like thats the norm now.
[23:39] <recon_lap> maybe it's time to start a computer manufacture business
[23:40] <skribblezatcha> i know right..or go and check out a system76 system.
[23:40] <skribblezatcha> i think that they are built without the uefi bios setup.
[23:40] <PhoenixSTF> that allows you to get the "Windows TAX refund"
[23:40] <PhoenixSTF> almost 10% of the laptop price is a "Windows Tax"
[23:41] <PhoenixSTF> So I wont give any money to M$
[23:41] <skribblezatcha> o ok, i see PhoenixSTF. i didnt know that..thats good to know.
[23:43] <schreber> Outside of Whisker are you guys seeing anything really new/special in this version?
[23:43] <PhoenixSTF> skribblezatcha, my brother got a Acer laptop and he did not accept the EULA, so acer removed the License and returned almost 40€ to him
[23:43] <PhoenixSTF> schreber, no botom bar
[23:43] <schreber> I always removed that anyway
[23:43] <knome> schreber, read the release announcement.
[23:44] <skribblezatcha> nice PhoenixSTF. yeah i am definitely going to have to do that for sure.
[23:44] <skribblezatcha> yeah i can see things that are different schreber. go in to settings manager and have a look around..and start up pidgin messenger.
[23:45] <schreber> remove pidgin as well. I tend to remove a bit from a base install
[23:45] <PhoenixSTF> skribblezatcha, a lot of stores dont like to do it, or dont know to, just press them and they will do it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Windows
[23:46] <skribblezatcha> o ok i actually use pidgin schreber, so i keep it and dont install anything else since i dont use it.
[23:46] <PhoenixSTF> skribblezatcha, we the people are not obligated to buy something with a tax in it, much less a company like m$
[23:46] <skribblezatcha> cool PhoenixSTF. thanks..i will keep that in mind.
[23:46] <schreber> release notes are kind of bland/lacking any real detail
[23:46] <PhoenixSTF> skribblezatcha, np
[23:47] <skribblezatcha> yeah, i actually do appreciate that PhoenixSTF..because i will do it. thats awesome.
[23:47] <schreber> Thunar was and still is my biggest issue with Xubuntu
[23:48] <skribblezatcha> thats what a few say. i am a home user schreber, so i dont have many issues to be honest.
[23:49] <schreber> skribblezatcha: I use it at home as well but my thing is that Thunar would crash at random, heck even when I was simply trying to close it. Never noticed this issue under a vanilla Debian so I was thinking it was somehow a Ubuntu introduced issue
[23:50] <skribblezatcha> o ok, wow. yeah i have never had that issue before. thunar has been good to me as far as opening and closing and responding to what i do within it.
[23:53] <schreber> I've gotten to the point where I'd just disable thumbnails because that was one of the major issues for me back in 12.04 and it didn't seem to get a f ix.
[23:54] <skribblezatcha> right, i feel you schreber.
[23:55] <schreber> I'd run another DE but the alternatives aren't of my liking and well lxde feels more like frankenstein's monster to a real DE to me.
[23:55] <skribblezatcha> i know right, i cant stand lxde.
[23:55] <skribblezatcha> if i am not using XFCE i tend to mess with Cinnamon. other than that i dont like the other DE's either.
[23:57] <james0r> if i installed the beta 2 release how do i upgrade to the final release?
[23:57] <schreber> It's like blackbox with xfce panel and well a bit more but it just doesn't feel right. Cinnamon, something I used was nice for an alt. to say Gnome but had its problems for me as well since the panel/wing would often break (this was like 1.6 or something).
[23:57] <james0r> i just installed it yesterday. is it a better idea to download the new final release image and install?
[23:58] <knome> james0r, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:59] <skribblezatcha> well that was an issue that i had with CInnamon too schreber. at this point in the game it has a few issues that still need to be worked out and then its good to go.
[23:59] <james0r> ahh i did that last night and it pulled in a bunch of stuff but i thought the final release hadn't been released yet. did it again and there's nothing to upgrade.
[23:59] <james0r> so i guess i'm up-to-date with the final release?
[23:59] <knome> yep.
[23:59] <skribblezatcha> yeah you are good to go james0r, be on the lookout for things that could be wrong though. if anything is, then grab the final and install it.


[00:17] <brand0co1> im having inconsistancies with auto mounting of usb flash drives
[00:17] <brand0co1> any program suggestions
[00:18] <brand0co1> im getting "invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume"
[00:18] <brand0co1> ok no one here
[02:07] <ron_o> resuming hibernate in the same way as resuming suspend?
[02:07] <ron_o> the reason why I'd like to try to hibernate is because for some reason when I suspend it doesn't lock my screen no matter what.
[02:17] <ron_o> hmm, just hibernated..
[02:17] <ron_o> it sux compared to suspend.
[02:17] <ron_o> took much longer and the restart was hard.
[03:14] <mvoltz> Quick question, where do I go to access the settings for compiz?
[03:23] <cnStarz> how do i rememdy overscan?
[03:23] <cnStarz> remedy*
[03:23] <cnStarz> i looked in nvidia-settings but found nothing
[03:26] <mvoltz> nevermind, I found the answer
[04:40] <luckyshot> hey guys, for some reasonw hen i boot into xubuntu it wont go into startx anymore, even after i manually enter "startx"
[04:42] <ron_o> is it startxfce4?
[04:43] <ron_o> try that or similar..
[04:43] <ron_o> type 'start' then tab
[04:43] <ron_o> I don't know much about the gnome display manager and such.
[05:04] <luckyshot> i improperly shut my pc down and now when i boot up it wont go into xwindows. im stuck in command mode. do you think if i boot up from the cd i can fix it?
[05:06] <ron_o> you can fix it in command line..
[05:06] <ron_o> don't know why it won't start.
[05:07] <ron_o> did you try $startxfce4 ?
[05:08] <luckyshot> yeah
[05:08] <luckyshot> didnt work
[05:09] <luckyshot> i got a bunch of stuff outputed
[05:09] <luckyshot> and then a few erros on the bottom
[05:09] <luckyshot> (EE) Failed to load module "pcidata" (module does not exist), 0)
[05:09] <luckyshot> Fatal server error:
[05:09] <luckyshot> Unable to load required base modules, Exiting....
[05:11] <ron_o> don't know.
[06:45] <cnStarz> does anyone know how to fix overscanning?
[06:45] <cnStarz> with nvidia drivers?
[08:00] <ollie> Evening all
[08:00] <ollie> Just a quick question about WPA enterise settings, is there a file i can download that has all the CA certificates?
[08:13] <KingOfDos> ollie, apt-get install ca-certificates
[08:14] <KingOfDos> or what do you mean?
[08:16] <KingOfDos> and "evening all", i guess your on the other side of the world. it's 09:14 AM here. Over a few minutes i'm going to my work (first drink my coffee).
[08:18] <ollie> well i need the CA Thawte CA cert for my univesity's wireless connection
[08:20] <ollie> So does that go into a directory somewhere? because the last time i tried to connect, i click CA cert and it tried to make me locate it or something
[08:24] <KingOfDos> how are you connecting to wireless? via nm-applet or via wpa_supplicant?
[08:24] <ollie> nm-applet and manually configuring it
[08:25] <ollie> it lets me select the settings i need, i just needed the cert
[08:25] <ollie> or is the Supplicant better?
[08:26] <KingOfDos> can u select other settings then WPA(2) Personal / WEP from nm-applet with manual setting?
[08:26] <KingOfDos> at the office i can't connect to the WPA2 Enterprice network with manual configuration, there is no WPA2 Enterprice in the dropdown menu.
[08:27] <KingOfDos> when i use roaming mode, then i can click the network, and get a nice menu with WPA2 Enterprice configuration. so that's strange.
[08:27] <KingOfDos> but anyhow, what tells -> locate *.crt|grep thawte <- you?
[08:28] <KingOfDos> Otherwise you can download the CA files from the thawte site i guess.
[08:29] <KingOfDos> Or need you a client cert for your university's wireless network, instead of a CA?
[08:30] <ollie> yeah i need the client part
[08:30] <KingOfDos> In that case, get them from your network operator at school ;)
[08:30] <ollie> hahah they looked at my EEE and went "What the hell is that!"
[08:31] <ollie> and didnt know what to do
[08:32] <KingOfDos> let him give you a documentation of what you need to do
[08:33] <KingOfDos> at the office i need PEAP with MSCHAPv2, in combination with a username and a password.
[08:33] <KingOfDos> and give them a USB stick where they can put the client cert on.
[08:34] <KingOfDos> then you can try to connect your self
[08:38] <ollie> oh thats what i need, those exact settings
[08:38] <ollie> ill get back to you tomorrow if itt worked, cheers thanks
[08:38] <ollie> back to c++ :S
[15:23] <cnStarz> anyone nkow how to fix overscan?
[15:24] <TheSheep> cnStarz: fix what?
[15:24] <cnStarz> overscan
[15:25] <cnStarz> on my hdtv
[15:25] <cnStarz> the screen is running off the page
[15:25] <cnStarz> i've looked in nvidia-settings but there's nothign in there that fixes overscanning
[15:26] <totalwormage> did you set your dpi correct?
[15:26] <cnStarz> dpi?
[15:26] <cnStarz> how do i set that?
[15:26] <totalwormage> dots per inch
[15:27] <cnStarz> right
[15:27] <totalwormage> without setting it, x has no idea how big your screen is
[15:27] <cnStarz> how do i set that?
[15:27] <cnStarz> :O
[15:27] <totalwormage> i wouldn't know what setting's correct for your tv, i use this line for my crt monitor:
[15:28] <totalwormage> under the monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf i added: Option   "DPI"   "96 x 96"
[15:28] <cnStarz> hmmmm
[15:29] <cnStarz> can you paste the monitor portion of your xorg.conf into pastebin so i can see exactly how it fits in there?
[15:29] <totalwormage> it doesn't matter where it is
[15:29] <The_Kernel> cnStarz just under everything else
[15:29] <cnStarz> alrighty i'll take a lookey
[15:29] <totalwormage> as long as it's somewhere between [monitor] and the next [endsection]
[15:29] <cnStarz> gotcha
[15:30] <cnStarz> thanks, i'll give it a try
[15:30] <totalwormage> it could also be that i'm not right about this, that it won't fix your problem at all :P
[15:30] <totalwormage> but i had some issues with X not knowing how to fit things on the screen until i set that :P
[15:31] <totalwormage> i always like to add that :P
[16:14] <graelb> Where can i put a home-made script if i wanted it to run on login?
[16:45] <pixelated> does xubuntu come with freebsd partitioning/fs support once installed?
[16:46] <pixelated> or would i have to roll my own kernel to add it?
[16:54] <zoredache> pixelated: the stock kernel configuration seems to have the bsd partitions
[16:55] <zoredache> pixelated: look at the file /boot/config-`uname -r` to see the current kernel config
[16:56] <pixelated> yes it seems to see the partitions it shows the partitons on the desktop when botted from cd
[16:56] <pixelated> but cant seem to mount the fs's
[16:57] <pixelated> i am waiting for term window to open
[16:58] <pixelated> 2.6.22 generic (booted from 7.10 cd)
[16:58] <pixelated> 2.6.22-14
[17:05] <pixelated> yeah B44 (bsd 4.4) is conf as module but i dont see UFS (unix fs v2) listed at all
[17:06] <zoredache> hrm...
[17:07] <pixelated> well B44 is unix fs v1 specifically
[17:35] <thoht> hi
[17:35] <zoredache> hello
[17:36] <thoht> i installed xubuntu on my laptop.
[17:36] <pixelated> hi
[17:36] <thoht> i ve a weird problem, since 2 days, the date icon disapeared
[17:36] <thoht> the same for wifi icon state
[17:36] <thoht> and the same for battery icon state
[17:36] <thoht> i don t know how to rescue them
[17:40] <thoht> oh it s good now
[17:40] <thoht> sorrry
[17:42] <zoredache> thoht: no worries :)
[17:44] <thoht> the tool bar was too long for my low resolution
[17:44] <thoht> :p
[17:47] <pixelated> ok install is done... time to stop playing kolf and see what this machine has to say
[19:30] <TheDoctor> anyone help with a xubuntu 6.06.1 scsi boot issue?
[19:39] <maxamillion> TheDoctor: might be a hardware support issue, the newer versions quite possibly would work
[19:39] <TheDoctor> problem is it's a ye olde machine.
[19:40] <TheDoctor> ubuntu 7.10 won't even boot on it
[19:40] <TheDoctor> xubuntu 6.06.1 boots from live cd, finds the disks and installs ok, just won't boot for some reason
[19:41] <TheDoctor> scsi bios can see the mbr but that's as far as it goes
[19:42] <TheSheep> TheDoctor: you get any errors?
[19:42] <TheSheep> TheDoctor: you might need to put the boot partition at the beginning of the disk for some bioses
[19:43] <TheDoctor> no, no errors, just "searching for boot record... ok"
[19:44] <TheDoctor> didn't explicitly set a boot partition. might that be it? just put one partition for / on the first drive and a separate swap partition on another drive
[19:45] <TheDoctor> assumed it would sort out /boot by itself
[19:47] <TheSheep> TheDoctor: normally it doesn't matter
[19:47] <TheSheep> TheDoctor: but that error would display 'grub error 6' afair
[19:48] <TheSheep> TheDoctor: so it's rather not it
[19:51] <TheDoctor> i'm at a loss then, frankly.
[19:55] <TheDoctor> i've reformatted and reinstalled three times with the same result.
[19:55] <TheDoctor> might try again and specify a small /boot partition at the beginning
[21:10] <vrkhans> hi i am trying to configure  mutt+fetchmail+procmail but when after creating the .fetchmailrc file and trying this command fetchmai -vk command i got this msg no mailservers have been specified. wat does that mean
[21:11] <TheSheep> it means you didn't tell it where it should donwload the mail from
[21:12] <vrkhans> hi TheSheep in the .fetchmailrc file i did mention that
[21:13] <TheSheep> are you sure it is reading your config?
[21:13] <vrkhans> poll pop.gmail.com with proto POP3 and options no dns
[21:13] <TheSheep> looks good
[21:13] <vrkhans> that what i add in my .fetchmailrc
[21:14] <vrkhans> so wht i should change
[21:14] <TheSheep> vrkhans: check in 'man fetchmail' to see if there is some option to tell it what config file to read
[21:15] <TheSheep> vrkhans: I'm sorry, I can't help you at the moment, maybe someone else
[21:15] <vrkhans> The Sheep the doc i am reading it says create .fetchmailrc file in your home dir
[21:16] <vrkhans> that means hk@hk-desktop:/home$
[21:16] <vrkhans> this dir or somewhere else
[21:16] <TheSheep> it means /home/yourusername
[21:16] <vrkhans> ok
[21:17] <vrkhans> i created the file in /home
[21:17] <TheSheep> or whatever 'echo $HOME' says
[21:17] <vrkhans> ok
[21:18] <vrkhans> how i can move that file form /home to /home/username
[21:18] <vrkhans> mv
[21:18] <TheSheep> mv /home/.fetchmailrc /home/username/
[21:18] <vrkhans> ok
[21:19] <vrkhans> let me try
[21:21] <vrkhans> TheSheep, now got this error File /home/hk/.fetchmailrc must have no more than -rwx--x--- (0710) permissions.
[21:22] <TheSheep> vrkhans: change the permissions to tha tfile
[21:23] <TheSheep> vrkhans: 'man chmod'
[21:24] <vrkhans> chmod 0710 .fetchmailrc
[21:24] <vrkhans> or something else
[21:25] <TheSheep> vrkhans: I'd rather not guess now, I'm a little drunk...
[21:25] <vrkhans> :-)
[21:25] <TheSheep> vrkhans: I'm sorry
[21:25] <vrkhans> no problem , any one else know about that
[21:26] <TheSheep> vrkhans: I think it's explained in the desktopguide
[21:26] <vrkhans> you mean man chmod
[21:30] <TheSheep> !desktopguide
[21:31] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[21:37] <vrkhans> TheSheep, i change the permission now i got the msg that that file should own by me, currently it is owned by root
[21:37] <vrkhans> so how i can change the owership
[21:38] <zoredache> chown usernid filname
[21:38] <ArthurArchnix> vrkhans: sudo chown user:user file
[21:47] <vrkhans> TheSheep it works :-)
[21:48] <vrkhans> got my first msg using mutt