[12:02] <doko> hmm, dholbach not here?
[12:02] <tseng> nope
[12:02] <tseng> he finally passed out from the mad committe spree during hoary
[12:02] <tseng> and will sleep for the next week
[12:03] <doko> ok, that's better anyway
[12:05] <tseng> im joking of course
[12:14] <koke> maybe he is fixing another whole distro while breezy archive is set ;)
[12:16] <ajmitch_> dholbach was off travelling..
[12:16] <ajmitch_> he's probably having withdrawal symptoms
[12:17] <doko> koke, in the meantime you may want to start with http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCxxTransition
[12:17] <doko> ;)
[12:22] <ajmitch_> doko: but we don't know when the auotsyncs will start again..
[12:22] <ajmitch_> s/auot/auto/
[12:23] <ajmitch_> the first few weeks of breezy will be a fun ride
[12:23] <koke> err, but now there are no uploads, IIRC
[12:24] <ajmitch_> yep
[12:24] <koke> hoary is frozen, and there's no breezy atm, am I ok?
[12:24] <doko> sure, and before that happens, we should focus on main first.
[12:24] <ajmitch_> once breezy opens, we've all got to compete with dholbach for number of uploads ;)
[12:24] <koke> hehe
[12:24] <koke> ajmitch: first I'll need to be able to upload
[12:25] <ajmitch_> doko: so gcc-4.0 is going to be default for breezy?
[12:25] <doko> I wouldn't be surprised if yes
[12:25] <koke> I guess I'll be at UDU without my key on the ring
[12:25] <ajmitch_> koke: then you can harass elmo in person ;)
[12:25] <ajmitch_> and we can sign your key
[12:26] <koke> but then, I'll put my hand on elmo's shoulder and I'll say, "dude, I've just traveled half of the planet to see my key on the ring, would you do that for me?"
[12:26] <koke> :D
[12:26] <ajmitch_> haha
[12:31] <ajmitch_> there looks to be a good number of people going to UDU now
[12:33] <koke> err, how was the UniverseCXXTransition page generated?!?
[12:34] <siretart> how to check in pyhton if a strings starts with '__'?
[12:34] <koke> I'm wondering why debian-policy package is on that list :P
[12:34] <koke> siretart: IIRC , my_string.startswith("__")
[12:34] <koke> :D
[12:35] <JanC> that's what I thought too  :)
[12:35] <koke> In [2] : s.startswith("--")
[12:35] <koke> Out[2] : True
[12:35] <koke> s was "--ab"
[12:35] <siretart> koke: woah! thanks. pyhthon's impressing me more and more :)
[12:35] <koke> hehe
[12:36] <ajmitch_> koke: looks like a grep for 3.4 in bugs :)
[12:36] <koke> I see :D
[12:36] <ajmitch_> yeah, python is a nice language
[12:51] <schweeb> w00t. I got a new job.
[12:52] <JanC> nice
[12:52] <JanC> ( I hope ;) )
[01:03] <ajmitch_> congrats, schweeb
[01:04] <schweeb> I'm very excited
[01:05] <koke> that's great :D
[01:07] <schweeb> too bad I'm not of legal drinking age, I'd be at the bar half ini the bag now
[01:09] <ajmitch_> schweeb: how old are you?
[01:09] <schweeb> 20
[01:10] <schweeb> be 21 on May 22
[01:10] <ajmitch_> iirc the legal drinking age is 18 in .au, if you're going to UDU ;)
[01:10] <schweeb> I'm not ;_;
[01:10] <schweeb> what days is UDU?  I'll probably be starting during it... I start April 29
[01:11] <ajmitch_> april 25-30
[01:11] <koke> ajmitch: I hope that
[01:11] <koke> I'm 21
[01:12] <koke> hmmm, that's ok everywhere :D forget it
[01:12] <schweeb> I think the US is pretty much the only place where the age is 21... most everywhere else it's either if you're taller than the bar, if you're 16, if you're 18, or if you're 19 (in Canada)
[01:22] <jbailey> schweeb: 18 or 19 in Canada, depend son the province.
[01:25] <jbailey> schweeb: It practice about 30% of the population of Canada can drink at 18. =)
[01:30] <JanC> drinking age is 16 in Belgium for beer & wine, 18 for things like whisky
[01:31] <jbailey> Strange to differentiate like that.  I haven't met many 16 years olds who could stomach whiskey. =)
[01:31] <JanC> and when I was in the US when I was 19, we always found places that would sell us beer  :P
[01:32] <JanC> (well, beer, more like dishwashing water ;)
[01:39] <koke> anyway I'm already 21 and I keep drinking wine every weekend :D
[01:40] <koke> bye
[01:58] <JanC> hm, the new way to sell your hosting services: http://www.realroot.com/  :P
[03:04] <ajmitch> doko: should we be putting some of these lists into malone, since we're going to be using it heavily for breezy (I hope)?
[05:14] <ajmitch_> hi ogra
[05:49] <HostingGeek> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TimMorris
[05:49] <HostingGeek> Does anyone know who that guy is on IRC?
[06:03] <crimsun> I think it's high time we pushed monotone into universe.
[06:03] <crimsun> perhaps even main.
[06:03] <crimsun> for now, universe
[06:05] <spacey> whats special about monotone?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> linux likes it
[06:05] <Burgundavia> s/linux/linus
[06:06] <spacey> Linus Torvalds began working on an interim solution called "git" in the absence of BitKeeper
[06:06] <spacey> says kerneltrap.org
[06:06] <Burgundavia> http://lwn.net/Articles/130681/
[06:07] <crimsun> well, I just noticed that whole bk debacle (yes, I live under a rock)
[06:07] <Burgundavia> see the footnote
[06:07] <crimsun> and I noticed I have several monotone repos in ~
[06:07] <crimsun> (a python mp3 player I wrote, a branch of alsaplayer with wxwidgets ui, and my /etc as of mid last year)
[06:09] <JanC> heh, canonical is working on bazaar-ng to replace bitkeeper  ;-)
[06:10] <crimsun> sounds good to me :)
[06:10] <crimsun> it's used for the ubuntu kernels among many other things
[06:10] <Burgundavia> a bitkeeper killer is the description I have heard
[06:10] <JanC> bazaar-ng is only used for bazaar-ng at the moment
[06:10] <JanC> AFAIK
[06:10] <JanC> bazaar-ng != bazaar
[06:11] <crimsun> JanC: good point.
[06:11] <Burgundavia> when does breezy open. I need more crack of the day
[06:11] <JanC> the bazaar-ng developer said he wil have something more generally useable in about 3 months
[06:12] <HostingGeek> when will the merge be start/finished with debian sid?
[06:12] <JanC> HostingGeek  : you want his free beer ?
[06:13] <JanC> ;-)
[06:13] <HostingGeek> JanC: YES!
[06:13] <JanC> sorry, don't know the guy
[06:15] <JanC> hm, there is at least one Australian "Tim" on #ubuntu
[06:16] <JanC> (use /who #ubuntu )
[06:21] <HostingGeek> where is koke?
[06:21] <HostingGeek> I want to teach him howto login to udu
[06:21] <HostingGeek> poor guy had to add it to his blog...
[06:39] <crimsun> hmm.
[06:39] <crimsun> it appears 0.18 may make it into Debian quite soon
[06:39] <crimsun> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=208847)
[06:42] <ajmitch> hi all
[06:42] <crimsun> 'lo ajmitch
[06:43] <HostingGeek> when will the merge be start/finished with debian sid??????
[06:46] <HostingGeek> whats the diffrence in between the ubuntu kernel and the debian kernel?
[06:47] <ajmitch> grab it & take a look
[06:47] <HostingGeek> (i don't have anywhere else to ask)
[06:47] <HostingGeek> i am not that 1337
[06:52] <JanC> woah, another Ubuntu-Debian flame thread on /.   :P
[06:52] <JanC> they're going to do this every day or what?
[06:53] <spacey> what do they care that ubuntu packages don't work anyway :p arent we taking the package from debian in the first place
[06:53] <schweeb> schweeb = drunk
[06:53] <schweeb> I love ghetto bars.
[06:55] <jaldhar> spacey: if there must be a fork there must but gratuitous divergence should be avoided.  What Ian is saying that got lost in the flames is that Debian should pull its socks up and release sarge already
[06:55] <spacey> and binary compatible seems quite crappy to me, if debian only releases once every 5 years or something
[06:55] <jaldhar> spacey: where he is wrong is thinking that not working on ubuntu would make that happen faster
[06:55] <spacey> jaldhar, yeah
[06:56] <ajmitch> now it's only been ~3 years since woody released, not 5 ;)
[06:56] <jaldhar> actually the latest point release of woody was only a few weeks ago :)
[06:57] <HostingGeek> I belive debian should be a package system and that all
[06:57] <HostingGeek> always moving
[06:57] <HostingGeek> then distros like ubuntu take a snapshot and make something out of it
[06:58] <spacey> i don't understand why they are referring to rpm world and stuff, wasnt the beauty that all software was available in the repo's anyway. especially for debian itself
[06:58] <jaldhar> HostingGeek: I've made that argument in the Debian lists before
[06:58] <HostingGeek> so stable would have apache 2.0.53 by now
[06:58] <HostingGeek> debian should just be a source distro muwhahahaha (Please don't ever do this!)
[06:59] <HostingGeek> (unless everything gets writen in python)
[07:00] <JanC> well, if everything should be written in Python, you'd better install "Cleese OS"  :)
[07:00] <jaldhar> spacey: just throwing it all into a repository is easy.  The QA is the value add over RPM distros
[07:01] <JanC> the QA is also their problem I guess  :)
[07:03] <JanC> there being so many packages for so many architectures that there are always some things broken that hinder release...
[07:06] <spacey> funny comments in ian's blog
[07:13] <schweeb> jbailey: in practice, I've been drinking since I was 16 :P
[07:14] <ajmitch> 16 is probably quite late to start drinking in NZ ;)
[07:16] <spacey> ive been practicing since 14 or 15 :p
[07:18] <schweeb> new job celebrations rule
[07:18] <schweeb> :)
[08:09] <desrt> greetings, masters
[08:09] <desrt> how is the universe?
[08:10] <ajmitch> frozen :)
[08:10] <ajmitch> we can't work on it until breezy opens
[08:10] <desrt> i guess that disproves heat death
[08:39] <doko> ajmitch: sure, you can put these into malone, but AFAIK this cannot be done automatically
[08:45] <Usiu> Hi
[08:45] <Usiu> Anybody here >
[10:34] <tseng> morning dudes
[10:35] <Treenaks> hey tseng
[10:35] <tseng> how goes?
[10:37] <Treenaks> brain is fried from implementing some weird internal stuff here
[10:38] <Treenaks> (mail-related address lookup stuff... major case of NIH)
[10:39] <tseng> hm
[10:39] <tseng> i just suck it up and use outlook at work right now
[10:39] <tseng> they have exchange 5.5, evolution is no love
[10:40] <Treenaks> tseng: oh, that's not the problem, that part is nice and POP3
[10:40] <Treenaks> tseng: the problem is that we forward mail for our customers... and those addresses need looking-up
[10:42] <tseng> hm
[10:45] <tseng> hula will be cool for that stuff, but its way off =/
[10:45] <tseng> right now it wont even send me mail because i dont have an MX record or some such
[10:46] <tseng> works from every other mta
[10:46] <dredg> yeah, sendmail legacy feature
[10:46] <dredg> if you can't find the mx, send to the A
[10:46] <tseng> i dont think it sends to the A
[10:46] <Treenaks> tseng: we're using powermail, but with a custom oracle backend
[10:46] <tseng> it just fails to deliver anything
[10:46] <dredg> sendmail does. hula clearly does not
[10:47] <tseng> thats pretty crap
[10:47] <tseng> i wonder if its a setting in that horrid admin thing
[10:48] <Mithrandir> it should send to A, if not it's severly broken
[10:48] <Mithrandir> anyhow, including a MTA in a calendar server is so broken
[10:48] <dredg> it's groupware. nuf said :)
[10:48] <Treenaks> GrOuPWaReZ
[10:49] <Mithrandir> I want a good calendar app, dammit
[10:49] <Mithrandir> :)
; originally to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(unrecoverable error)
[10:49] <tseng> The host 'smarterits.com' is unknown or could not be looked up
[10:49] <tseng>  ----- transcript of session follows -----
[10:49] <tseng> >>> MX Lookup
[10:49] <tseng> <<< DNS Host unknown
[10:49] <tseng> it must mean the MX, because their is certainly a working record
[10:49] <Treenaks> not having an MX should be an offence punishable by death
[10:49] <dredg> but you should have an MX
[10:49] <tseng> why would I make an MX pointing at the same box?
[10:50] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: no, it shouldn't.
[10:50] <dredg> because that's what mail exchanger records are for?
[10:50] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: yes, it should.
[10:50] <tseng> no, its not
[10:50] <Mithrandir> falling back to A is just fine.
[10:50] <tseng> its for pointing at a different box in cases where you need to
[10:51] <Treenaks> you can't register .nl domains if you don't have valid MX records for your domain..
[10:51] <Treenaks> they quote some RFC
[10:52] <Burgundavia> cool. I want one --> http://infralynx.nrl.navy.mil/photoGallery/ChicagoI.htm
[10:55] <Burgundavia> sorry, wrong channel
[10:55] <Burgundavia> just noticed
[11:18] <koke_> testing...
[11:18] <koke> great :D
[11:18] <koke> brb
[11:21] <fabbione> hey guys
[11:22] <dredg> hey fabbione :)
[11:23] <fabbione> hi dredg
[11:23] <koke> hi again
[11:23] <fabbione> i am seeking for a volunteer?
[11:24] <fabbione> to package 2 little applications
[11:24] <dredg> yup, sure
[11:24] <fabbione> dredg: are you up to it?
[11:24] <fabbione> i will review them personally, but they are pretty simple
[11:24] <dredg> not immediately as i have some work to do
[11:24] <dredg> is it urgent?
[11:25] <fabbione> http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoetools/
[11:25] <fabbione> dredg: not at all
[11:25] <fabbione> there are 2 sources.. aoetools and vblade
[11:26] <dredg> ok, i'll have a look at them later
[11:27] <fabbione> dredg: in 2/3 days would be fine...
[11:27] <fabbione> they are very simple.. it won't take you more than that to do them properly
[11:27] <fabbione> i want them in the archive as soon as breezy open
[11:28] <dredg> ok
[11:28] <fabbione> since they are the userland tools from some new kernel features
[11:29] <fabbione> but they are really cute and i would like to test them.. specially the vblade part :)
[11:29] <dredg> yeah, this looks pretty neat
[11:29] <Treenaks> fabbione: is there hardware that understands this?
[11:30] <fabbione> Treenaks: yes, there is a kernel driver for the generic protocol, developed by an hw manufacturer
[11:30] <Treenaks> fabbione: cool
[11:30] <fabbione> the vblade is a userland tool/daemon that can simulate the hardware :)
[11:30] <fabbione> that would solve a lot of my HD problems :)
[11:30] <fabbione> without using nfs
[11:30] <dredg> likewise
[11:30] <fabbione> in combination with GFS it would be the rock :)
[11:31] <Mithrandir> nice
[11:31] <Mithrandir> fabbione: looked into iSCSI?
[11:33] <ajmitch> looks quite useful
[11:34] <ajmitch> what kernels have the features needed?
[11:34] <fabbione> Mithrandir: doesn't that require a shared scsi chain?
[11:35] <Mithrandir> fabbione: scsi over IP?
[11:35] <Mithrandir> no, shouldn't
[11:35] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nope i didn't.. but i think it is the same concept, isn't it?
[11:35] <fabbione> as aoe
[11:35] <Mithrandir> more or less, yes
[11:42] <pvh> What package has libwine.so.1 in it? I can't find it anywhere and I've installed libwine*
[11:42] <pvh> I'm running, of course, the latest and greatest in Hoary technology.
[11:42] <Treenaks> pvh: what needs it?
[11:42] <pvh> Treenaks: wine
[11:42] <Treenaks> pvh: apt-get install wine
[11:43] <pvh> Of course I did that.
[11:43] <pvh> And I've googled on the topic as well.
[11:43] <Treenaks> I've apt-get installed wine.. and it works fine
[11:43] <pvh> Could you tell me if you see it when you type
[11:43] <pvh> dpkg -L libwine | grep libwine.so
[11:43] <pvh> ?
[11:43] <Treenaks> /usr/lib/libwine.so.1
[11:44] <pvh> Hmm. What version do you have?
[11:44] <Treenaks> ii  libwine        0.0.20050310-1 Windows Emulator (Library)
[11:44] <pvh> Aha.
[11:44] <pvh> I have 1.1, which is in universe.
[11:44] <Treenaks> it is?
[11:44] <Treenaks> I have this from universe
[11:45] <Treenaks> oh wait
[11:45] <Treenaks> it's truncated
[11:45] <pvh> Oh.
[11:45] <Treenaks> it's really 1.1
[11:45] <Treenaks> but dpkg -l likes to break its own output
[11:45] <pvh> Well then, how on earth could I be missing those files?
[11:45] <pvh> Maybe I should remove it and reinstall.
[11:45] <Treenaks> you could try that
[11:48] <pvh> Victory!
[11:48] <Treenaks> pvh: what was the problem?
[11:49] <pvh> I haven't the froggiest. I can only assume the files got clobbered at some point by something else I did.
[11:50] <Treenaks> disk full?
[01:12] <jbailey> schweeb: Right.  I meant legally. =)
[01:31] <GheRivero> res
[01:35] <ajmitch> night all :)
[02:03] <tseng|work> hm dholbach really did crash
[02:07] <\sh> what?
[02:16] <tseng|work> hah i would have never thought of that
[02:16] <tseng|work> i need a power converter for australian plugs
[02:16] <thom> tseng|work: heh, yes
[05:19] <GheRivero> res
[05:35] <zooko> Is there an established protocol for me to say "Dear Ubuntu: Would you please consider supporting [My Pet Tool]  and moving it from universe to main?"?
[05:36] <ogra> zooko, the ubuntu-devel mailing list and the TechincalBoard
[05:37] <zooko> Thanks.
[07:28] <herve> hi
[07:29] <ogra> hey herve
[07:37] <dholbach> hey
[07:37] <herve> hi!
[07:37] <dholbach> hey herve
[07:39] <dholbach> bbl
[09:10] <ajmitch> morning all
[09:11] <crimsun> morning ajmitch
[09:20] <ogra> hi ajmitch
[09:20] <crimsun> evenin' ogra
[09:21] <ajmitch> what's up?
[09:31] <ogra> writing a long mail to u-devel
[09:32] <ogra> hum, not long, bit it took some time to express what i mean....
[09:32] <ogra> s/bit/but
[09:32] <ogra> hey koke
[09:33] <ogra> koke, so we actually meet in UdU ?
[09:33] <koke> ogra: yeah :D
[09:33] <ogra> yippie :)
[09:44] <diamond_> lo
[09:45] <ajmitch> good day
[09:50] <diamond> there we go
[09:55] <trulux> any thoughts on making an Ubuntu conference in Europe, like the one in Matar :)
[09:56] <trulux> Extremadura could rock
[09:56] <dredg> europe? who the hell lives in that place?
[09:56] <trulux> the local government in Andaluca has an agreement with Canonical for working on an Ubuntu derivated distribution
[09:56] <trulux> Guadalinex
[09:57] <diamond> dredg: no-one worth talking to
[09:57] <trulux> dredg: I live in that place, and I hope there were reasons to make the conf. in Matar
[09:57] <trulux> diamond: really?
[09:57] <herve> dredg, er... aren't you Irish? ;-)
[09:57] <dredg> diamond: yer.
[09:58] <dholbach> hellas
[09:58] <diamond> trulux: ,-)
[09:58] <diamond> dholbach: hey
[09:58] <dredg> dholbach: will you be around at 5am? :)
[09:58] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:58] <dredg> dholbach: feeling masochistic? :)
[09:58] <dholbach> dredg: think so :-)
[09:59] <dholbach> hey diamond, dredg, ajmitch :-)
[09:59] <ajmitch> just burning a hoary live cd to play with at work
[09:59] <herve> dholbach, remove the gloves ;-)
[10:00] <dholbach> dredg: hrmmmm cake
[10:00] <ajmitch> ok, burnt, time to run to work ;)
[10:00] <tritium> dholbach, using ogra's laptop, or did you get your own?
[10:00] <ogra> tritium, he already left :(
[10:00] <dholbach> tritium: my sister's :-)
[10:00] <dredg> sweet zombie jesus 5am
[10:01] <ogra> dredg, wrong timezone ;)
[10:01] <ogra> dredg, we can sleep 1h longer here
[10:01] <dredg> ogra: given my usual luck with sleep i'll probably be still awake
[10:01] <ogra> heh
[10:03] <dredg> heh, 5 new MS vulns. announced this evening
[10:10] <dredg> wb
[10:11] <ogra> hmm, koke, could you move your site from the MaintainerCandidates page ?
[10:11] <koke> ogra: ok, I'll do
[10:29] <ajmitch_> live cd not so great on work computer :(
[10:47] <herve> bye all!
[10:58] <tritium> Thank you dholbach and ogra :)
[10:58] <ogra> :)
[10:58] <dholbach> *waiting* :-)
[10:59] <ajmitch_> eek, didn't realise there was meeting now
[11:00] <dredg> hmm?
[11:00] <dredg> er? what have i missed?
[11:00] <tritium> Thanks for that ajmitch_ :)
[11:01] <ajmitch_> tritium: my humblest apologies for not getting reviews done :(
[11:01] <dholbach> new-package-for-hoary-universe and doc/devel-team-cooperationg
[11:01] <tritium> ajmitch_, no worries :)
[11:02] <ajmitch_> tritium: 1 beer voucher, redeemable at UdU? ;)
[11:02] <tritium> ajmitch_, I wish I could be there!
[11:02] <tritium> thanks crimsun :)
[11:04] <tritium> Thank you everyone.
[11:04] <dredg> shit, was completely unaware of a meeting
[11:04] <crimsun> np. CC will essentially be a rubber stamp.
[11:04] <tritium> That was a nice surprise :)
[11:04] <crimsun> welcome aboard, mike
[11:04] <ajmitch_> dredg: as was I
[11:04] <dholbach> congratulations michael :-)
[11:04] <ajmitch_> tritium: well done :)
[11:04] <dredg> tritium: congrats :)
[11:05] <tritium> :-)
[11:05] <ogra> :)
[11:05] <tritium> I am humbled by your support :)
[11:06] <ajmitch_> now this means you have to WORK! ;)
[11:06] <dholbach> hahaha :-)
[11:06] <tritium> ajmitch, I will :)
[11:06] <dholbach> tritium: you seemed to have quite a lot of followers :-)
[11:07] <tritium> dholbach, that was very nice
[11:07] <dholbach> ROCK :-)
[11:07] <ajmitch_> now all you need is the tshirt :)
[11:07] <tritium> Is there one?
[11:08] <tritium> I knew one was being talked about...
[11:08] <ajmitch_> not yet, afaik
[11:08] <tritium> ogra, regarding the CC, I was pursuing the universe maintainer exception: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[11:08] <tritium> That does not appear to require CC approval
[11:09] <dholbach> we should rework our docs :-)
[11:09] <ogra> tritium, MOTU requires membeship
[11:09] <ogra> +r
[11:09] <crimsun> yep, need to be a member to be a maintainer ;)
[11:09] <tritium> ogra, yes, but "Maintainership through this process implies membership...:
[11:09] <tritium> "
[11:10] <crimsun> tritium: yes, but you still need CC approval
[11:10] <Amaranth> "Temporary (Pre-Hoary) Universe Maintainer Exception"
[11:10] <dholbach> and have a motu-meeting deciding over t-shirt--logo :-)
[11:10] <ogra> which you onlygain through the CC
[11:10] <tritium> crimsun, okay, the wording is rather unclear than
[11:10] <tritium> then
[11:10] <crimsun> tritium: at this point, it will be a rubber stamp, since the TB has already approved you.
[11:10] <tritium> Cool :)
[11:10] <Amaranth> Wait, to be a maintainer in universe for my own software I have to do all this stuff?
[11:11] <tritium> Amaranth, I realize it was pre-hoary.  Nevertheless, that was what I was pursuing.
[11:11] <crimsun> Amaranth: that's correct if you meant for upload privileges.
[11:11] <dholbach> Amaranth: yes, such a process is completely inevitable
[11:11] <Amaranth> Oh, I meant just to make the packages and give them to one of you.
[11:12] <dredg> Amaranth: there's not a lot to it really.
[11:12] <dholbach> Amaranth: no, just for MOTU status and upload privileges
[11:13] <tritium> The CC meeting is in just under 7 hours, correct?
[11:13] <dredg> correct
[11:13] <tritium> thanks
[11:13] <crimsun> midnight, heh
[11:13] <crimsun> yeesh ;)
[11:13] <ajmitch_> dholbach: shall we begin the initiation? ;)
[11:13] <crimsun> back in a bit
[11:13] <dredg> bah, if i had known about the TB meeting i'd have poked diamond with the great stick of "get the hell in there" :)
[11:13] <dholbach> :-))
[11:14] <dredg> we need rdf feeds
[11:14] <dredg> dammit
[11:14] <dredg> :)
[11:14] <dholbach> YES
[11:14] <dholbach> dredg: :-)
[11:14] <tritium> You guys are the best.  I can't thank you enough for supporting me.
[11:14] <dredg> dholbach: and beer! and blackjack!
[11:14] <tritium> Working with you all has been a privelege.  I look forward to continuing it.
[11:15] <dholbach> blackjack? hrm...
[11:15] <dholbach> tritium: same goes out to you... good to have you here :-)
[11:15] <tritium> :-)
[11:15] <ogra> :)
[11:15] <ogra> yeah
[11:15] <tritium> Thanks!
[11:16] <tritium> Okay, I must excuse myself.  I have to meet with my advisor.
[11:16] <tritium> Take care all, and I'll see you later on.
[11:16] <dredg> hmm, so sleep now (if i can, i'm out of sleeping tablets) or stay awake til 5
[11:16] <dredg> night tritium
[11:16] <dholbach> bye tritium
[11:16] <tritium> see you
[11:16] <dholbach> i'll be off to bed soon too
[11:16] <ogra> bye tritium
[11:17] <siretart> evening, folks
[11:17] <dholbach> hey siretart
[11:17] <ogra> hi siretart
[11:18] <dholbach> everyone who wants to become member-> tomorrow 4 utc
[11:18] <dholbach> april 13th, 4 utc to be exact
[11:18] <siretart> hi dholbach, hello ogra
[11:18] <siretart> 4 utc is 6 in the morning in germany, yes?
[11:19] <dholbach> siretart: yes
[11:19] <siretart> awfully early ;)
[11:19] <dholbach> in summer times :-)
[11:19] <ajmitch_> 4pm here for me, not too hard :)
[11:19] <dredg> ajmitch_: bastard :)
[11:20] <siretart> hrhr
[11:31] <\sh> dholbach: prerequisite for a member? ,-)
[11:31] <dholbach> \sh: some kind of evidence for "working" in ubuntu
[11:31] <dholbach> ... any ... :-)
[11:32] <\sh> dholbach: a well :)
[11:32] <dholbach> and signing the CoC
[11:32] <\sh> yeah...what about "hating documentation"?
[11:32] <\sh> next time :) first of all i will send in some packages ;)
[11:32] <dholbach> \sh: beg your pardon?
[11:33] <Amaranth> 4 utc is 11pm here
[11:33] <\sh> dholbach: well...I'm fighting here with the debian packaging manual ;)
[11:34] <dholbach> \sh: i think this has nothing to do with the process of becoming member :-)
[11:34] <\sh> dholbach: nono ;) but i will apply for a membership the next time...not this time :)
[11:35] <dholbach> good one :-)
[11:35] <tseng> dholbach: !
[11:36] <dholbach> tseng: ? :-)
[11:36] <ogra> dholbach, looks like we can do  beachvolleyball game MOTU vs main ;)
[11:36] <dholbach> YES :-)
[11:37] <Amaranth> at ubu?
[11:37] <ogra> yeah
[11:37] <Amaranth> someone needs to setup a video stream
[11:37] <dholbach> Amaranth: jdub surely will
[11:38] <thom> heh, rocking
[11:38] <dholbach> i think, i'll be off to bed now... have a nice evening :-)
[11:39] <dholbach> bye siretart
[11:39] <dredg> night dholbach, siretart
[11:39] <crimsun> night dholbach
[11:40] <ogra> dholbach, will you attend CC ?
[11:40] <dholbach> bye dredg, jani
[11:40] <dholbach> ogra: yes
[11:40] <ogra> oh, great...
[11:40] <dredg> ajmitch can make breakfast
[11:40] <dholbach> woohoo, exactly, give ajmitch something todo :-)
[11:41] <ogra> heh
[11:41] <\sh> well...today was a nice day...laying in bed, laptop on the hips...and learning how to use dpatch, writing rules files, oracle lintian warnings, crashing firefox with 86 tabs opened
[11:41] <crimsun> just use cdbs's dpatch module ;)
[11:41] <\sh> crimsun: well...too late :)
[11:41] <\sh> funny thing is: if you want to package a library source
[11:43] <ogra> hehe
[11:43] <dholbach> bye :-)
[11:43] <\sh> you need to know, that all the debian stuff wants to have as destdir $(CURDIR)/debian/libfoo and $(CURDIR)/debian/libfoo-dev, if don't do this, u sit at your desk, just like me, and do 10 hours of rtfming
[11:44] <dredg> ajmitch_: just toast and coffee for me, thx ;)
[11:44] <ajmitch_> oh sure
[11:44] <ajmitch_> you want to come to NZ to collect it then?
[11:45] <dredg> yes, if you're paying for the flights ;)
[11:45] <ajmitch_> haha
[11:46] <ajmitch_> if I could do that, I'd be flying instead
[11:46] <ajmitch_> it's only the other side of the world :)
[11:46] <dredg> true
[11:46] <dredg> guess it'll be cold pizza for brekkie then :)
[11:47] <thom> 20 hours or so of flight just for brekkie seems a little OTT
[11:47] <dredg> thom: not if i can convince ajmitch to bring it here.
[11:48] <thom> dredg: true, true
[11:48] <ogra> dredg, at least the egg will be cold
[11:48] <thom> dredg: but if you came this way you could stay for UDU ;-)
[11:48] <ogra> yeah !
[11:49] <dredg> thom: dude, i wish
[11:49] <ajmitch_> more MOTUs at UDU, excellent :)
[11:49] <dredg> if someone wants to fund me... :)
[11:49] <ajmitch_> I think there's at least 5 or 6 of us there?
[11:49] <thom> more of you to get beat at volleyball ;-)
[11:50] <dredg> thom: yeah, we irish people don't get to see the sun that often so outdoors just doesn't happen :)
[11:50] <ogra> ajmitch_, yup
[11:50] <ajmitch_> ogra: so whose team will you be on?
[11:50] <ogra> hmm, good question *g*
[11:50] <thom> dredg: *g*
[11:51] <dredg> thom: but that's ok, it's a defeat i could gracefully accept
[11:52] <thom> ajmitch_: i think we all do, really
[11:53] <ogra> i always work in my armchair
[11:53] <dredg> far too much time at a desk
[11:53] <thom> ogra: work harder then, slacker ;-)
[11:53] <ogra> hehe
[11:53] <ogra> thom, i'll get you ..... on sunday
[11:54] <thom> ogra: you're here for LCA? rocking! :-)
[11:54] <ajmitch_> ah, I wish I could be there for LCA again
[11:54] <ajmitch_> adelaide was fun
[11:54] <ogra> thom, nope...i'll be there for a week sydney ;)
[11:54] <thom> ogra: ah, heheh :-)
[11:54] <thom> ajmitch_: yeah
[11:54] <ajmitch_> I hope to see you all here in Dunedin in 2006
[11:55] <thom> ajmitch_: too right, omnic would never speak to me again if i didn't ;-)
[11:55] <dredg> gah, 11pm again
[11:56] <dredg> and in this case, dinner will also be breakfast. yes! cold pizza! winner! ;)
[11:57] <\sh> grmpf
[11:57] <ajmitch_> yes, about time I got breakfast
[11:57] <\sh> i compiled this bloody lib with -Wl,-share -fPIC and it won't be recognized as shared lib and lintian is bugging me :(
[11:58] <fabbione> thom: is already morning there?
[11:58] <thom> fabbione: 8am
[11:59] <thom> (s/wait/wake/)
[11:59] <fabbione> thom: hmmm i need to wake up in 5 hours and 30..
[11:59] <fabbione> that's almost a call to bed
[11:59] <fabbione> but 2.6.12 is looking too good :)
[11:59] <dredg> fabbione: or you could just stay awake
[12:00] <tseng> hey dudes
[12:00] <Mithrandir> thom: so you're just 8 hours ahead.  That means I have to slack off eight hours or catch up 16.  Joy.
[12:00] <Mithrandir> heya dude
[12:00] <dredg> tseng: hey


[00:13] <jbicha> FernandoMiguel: bug 1017289
[00:14] <FernandoMiguel> jbicha: thanks
[00:15] <FernandoMiguel> is this a cascating bug?
[00:15] <FernandoMiguel> it keeps and keeps happening
[00:17] <jbicha> FernandoMiguel: what do you mean it keeps happening?
[00:19] <FernandoMiguel> for weeks I've been getting hit by fails to install on a bunch of packages
[00:21] <jbicha> this is a new problem, not directly related to any of those
[00:22] <FernandoMiguel> k
[00:53] <bjsnider> one of those two packages needs to yield that manpage to the other
[00:54] <bjsnider> or they need to use alternatives
[06:33] <qdb> hello. i have downloaded quantal cd and have written it on usb flash drive with unetbootin. it do not load, shows "(initramfs)" promt. how can i fix that ?
[07:06] <phoenix_firebrd> qdb: unetbootin hasnt worked for me for once
[07:07] <qdb> i am going to try ubuntu 12 04 s built-in analog...
[07:08] <phoenix_firebrd> qdb: built-in analog?
[07:08] <qdb> phoenix_firebrd, in admin menu is not there some program called like usb creator
[07:10] <phoenix_firebrd> qdb: ya
[07:10] <phoenix_firebrd> qdb: that works for me
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:59] <qdb> hello. i have downloaded quantal cd and have written it on usb flash drive with unetbootin. it do not load, shows "(initramfs)" promt. how can i fix that ? i am going to try ubuntu 12 04 s built-in analog... usb creator ...
[17:09] <yoasif_work> hey -- if my wireless chipset doesn't work and I want to report it to launchpad, what package do i report against using ubuntu-bug/apport?
[17:12] <jpds> yoasif_work: linux
[17:13] <yoasif_work> jpds: i don't need to do anything special besides providing some info about the hardware and running a daily iso, right?
[17:13] <yoasif_work> jpds: (been a while since i had non working hardware, so i'm a bit rusty)
[17:14] <jpds> yoasif_work: And describe how it "doesn't work". :)
[17:14] <jpds> Can't see wifi networks? Can see but can't connect?
[17:15] <yoasif_work> jpds: yep, yep... well, supposedly my chipset should be supported (some broadcom chip) according to the forums, but it just says that the hardware switch is off
[17:16] <yoasif_work> jpds: actually, i have two laptops -- one with an intel chip and the other with a broadcom, and they both say that the wireless radio is off (but it is a physical switch that is switched on)
[17:16] <yoasif_work> no big deal, but I wanted to report it so it can get fixed eventually
[17:16] <jpds> yoasif_work: Checked 'rfkill list' ?
[17:18] <yoasif_work> jpds: no, and i'm actually having a tough time finding up to date documentation for troubleshooting wireless... the stuff on the wiki mostly seems outdated :/
[17:20] <yoasif_work> ah looks like this is it ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[17:30] <jbicha> yoasif_work: here's a different version of that: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-troubleshooting.html
[21:35] <imnichol> anyone else having problems with their quantal systems freezing during boot?
[21:42] <genii-around> Not lately
[21:46] <FernandoMiguel> imnichol: nope
[21:47] <imnichol> I got bit by 1017289
[21:47] <imnichol> And I think it's caused some issues
[21:48] <trism> bug 1017289
[21:51] <imnichol> My system hangs on boot right after this message is printed to the screen: "saned disabled: edit /etc/default/saned"
[21:53] <trism> imnichol: did you try ctrl+alt+f1 f2, etc to see if it is just lightdm that didn't start?
[21:54] <imnichol> Nope, it's locked up
[21:54] <imnichol> To clarify: I tried that, and nothing happens
[21:55] <imnichol> It doesn't respond to keyboard input at all.
[21:55] <imnichol> I can boot from a previous kernel too
[21:56] <genii-around> Can it boot to recovery?
[21:58] <FernandoMiguel> imnichol: we had lots of those at work
[21:58] <FernandoMiguel> on precise and machines having virtualbox running
[21:58] <imnichol> genii-around, if I try to drop into the recovery kernel, it freezes if I try to do anything
[21:59] <imnichol> FernandoMiguel, I'm running Quantal natively, but do you know if there's a fix that worked for you?
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> imnichol: kernel 3.4 and VB .16 fixed it
[22:01] <imnichol> Ah well I'm on 3.5.x now
[22:02] <imnichol> I just noticed that I can toggle my wifi status with the hardware switch though
[22:03] <imnichol> There's a light that switches on and off depending on wifi state
[22:03] <imnichol> I can toggle that
[22:03] <imnichol> but I don't know if that's maybe done in hardware or something
[22:14] <trism> imnichol: maybe something like bug 1016189 (only similar one I noticed recently), doesn't really have any info yet though
[22:15] <trism> imnichol: except both commenters with the problem seem to be using ati
[22:15] <imnichol> trism, I've got an ATI card as well


[06:22] <fabbione> morning
[05:52] <Keybuk> 'sup?
[05:53] <doko> yep
[05:54] <doko> jbailey: how can we get the search path for the linker for 64bit binaries on a 32bit system?
[05:56] <jbailey> So a system where you can't actually run the linker?
[05:59] <doko> we don't have one, when building gcc and libraries biarch
[06:18] <jbailey> There's no guaranteed way right now.
[06:19] <jbailey> Probably the best bet would be do so something with bfs.
[06:19] <jbailey> bfd
[06:19] <Keybuk> can't you just ship ldd in the bi-arch libc6-dev packages
[06:19] <jbailey> Keybuk: ldd just called ld.so with some parameters.
[06:19] <Keybuk> right
[06:19] <jbailey> calls, even.
[06:19] <Keybuk> so make that work ;)
[06:19] <jbailey> If you can't run a binary of the target architecture, there no option there.
[06:20] <jbailey> If you could, ldd has already been hacked to select the right ld.so. =)
[06:20] <Keybuk> I don't understand why these library packages are being produced if they can't work?>
[06:21] <Keybuk> so far this bug reads like "we're doing some shit that can't possibly work AND IT'S YOUR FAULT!"
[06:21] <jbailey> They can work, you just need a capable kernel.
[06:22] <jbailey> So install the right one. =)
[06:22] <jbailey> The problem with using objdump and such is that there's no way to know what glibc considers to be the linker path.
[06:22] <jbailey> linker search path, rather.
[06:23] <Keybuk> then why is this a problem?  surely the machines which will be building these bi-arch packages will have "the right kernel" on them?
[06:23] <jbailey> And it'll change over time as we do multiarch.
[06:23] <jbailey> Keybuk: Probably 'cause people want to build them at home or such.
[06:24] <Keybuk> I really don't see how this is a dpkg-dev bug; if the base system can't support building these packages, then they shouldn't be being built
[06:27] <jbailey> The base system builds the package fine.
[06:27] <jbailey> It's just a cross compiler at that point.
[06:28] <Keybuk> there's more to building a package than just compiling, as you know well
[06:40] <doko> they do work, if you do have the right kernel
[06:43] <jbailey> doko: Right, but you can build the stuff either way.  You just can't run testsuites or ldd on it.
[06:43] <jbailey> Or use built-sources in any way.
[06:43] <Keybuk> but the point is that if these source packages need "the right kernel" to build, they should ensure they do before they try
[06:43] <Keybuk> and right now, they're not
[06:44] <doko> elmo would be "happy", if we do that for powerpc and i386 ...
[06:49] <jbailey> Keybuk: Right.
[06:50] <jbailey> The joys of the multiarch setup.
[06:50] <jbailey> I don't even know how possible it would be to bend glibc into doing a cross-ldd.
[07:13] <doko> jbailey: what about the libc6-dev-amd64 headers for libc6-dev on i386? Can you estimate, if that's doable?
[07:13] <lamont> Keybuk: I assume there isn't a nice dpkg command that says 'extract all the .so's from this deb and feed them as arguments to $COMMAND' :-(
[07:14] <jbailey> doko: Yeah.  Just need to add that include SEARCHDIR hook, I guess.
[07:14] <Keybuk> lamont: no
[07:14] <Keybuk> it'd be easy to do
[07:14] <lamont> doko: I'm trying to figure out if gcc-3.4 has the issue as well, or if it was just because I inherited some gcc-4.0-built .so's when I was testing...
[07:14] <doko> jbailey: SEARCHDIR hook?
[07:14] <lamont> Keybuk: yeah
[07:15] <jbailey> As in, I'd have to install the headers in some other location, and gcc would have to be told to search there first.
[07:15] <jbailey> If it didn't find the header, try the main ones.
[07:15] <lamont> jbailey: is there a glibc upload coming anytime soon?
[07:15] <doko> jbailey: it already does, but for C++ headers only
[07:15] <jbailey> lamont: doko asked for one yesterday to help sparc along.  Got something for me?
[07:16] <doko> jbailey: hmm, hppa needs one as well, but with a fixed gcc-4.0, or don't you build hppa with gcc-4.0?
[07:17] <lamont> ISTR hppa got built with gcc-3.4....
[07:17] <lamont> jbailey: or is glibc now building with the default gcc?
[07:17] <Keybuk> dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile /path/to/deb | tar xv -C /where/to/extract "*.so" | xargs $COMMAND
[07:17] <Keybuk> lamont: ^ :p
[07:17] <lamont> jbailey: actually, I just need to do a fresh and clean build of it, and I see that -1ubuntu8 hasn't been uploaded for hppa, so all is good on that front
[07:18] <doko> jbailey: in which directory should gcc search the x86_64 headers?
[07:18] <lamont> Keybuk: heh.  I'd have figured that out... :-)  But I guess I'll still buy you a beer sometime
[07:18] <jbailey> lamont: No, everything is building with 3.4 still
[07:19] <jbailey> doko: Mmm.  I think Tollef's proposal was /usr/include/GNU-TRIPLE wasn't it?
[07:19] <jbailey> So /usr/include/x86-64_linux ?
[07:19] <doko> jbailey: look at biarch-include-ix86.dpatch and add something. but I'm unsure, if fixincludes is aware of that
[07:20] <jbailey> I thought fixincludes was a noop on Linux these days.
[07:20] <jbailey> The system headers sould already be gcc safe.
[07:20] <doko> jbailey: that directory is already searched for.
[07:21] <Keybuk> jbailey: /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu
[07:21] <jbailey> Keybuk: Yes, dear.
[07:21] <doko> 4.0 only ...
[07:21] <jbailey> Ah, that's probably why I didn't notice it, lemme check it.
[07:23] <jbailey> doko: Is this a new thing?
[07:24] <jbailey> Oh. duh, pass -m64 to cpp, Jeff
[07:25] <doko> gcc-4.0 (4.0.1-1) unstable; urgency=high
[07:25] <doko>  * Disable multiarch-includes; redo biarch-includes to include the paths
[07:25] <doko>     for the non-default biarch, when called with -m32/-m64.
[07:25] <lamont> Keybuk: it got bigger. :-)
[07:25] <lamont> zcat /org3/ubuntu/dists/breezy/*/binary-hppa/Packages.gz | awk '/^Filename: / {print $2}' | while read i ; do mkdir -p unpack; dpkg --fsys-tarfile /org3/ubuntu/$i | tar xv -C unpack "*.so.*" 2>/dev/null | (cd unpack; while read f; do x=$(objdump -T $f | grep _GLOBAL_); [ -n "$x" ]  && echo ${i##*/} $f $x;done); rm -rf unpack; done > bogus 2>&1&
[07:26] <Keybuk> zcat|awk can be replaced by grep-dctrl
[07:27] <lamont> true.
[07:27] <lamont> but then I'd have to remember grep-dctrl. :-)
[07:28] <Keybuk> that reminds me
[07:29] <Keybuk> I need to figure out why #13306/#322595 talks about dpkg-deb
[07:30] <lamont> grep-dctrl -s Filename -n . /org3/ubuntu/dists/breezy/*/binary-hppa/Packages.gz
[07:31] <lamont> sadly, the version of grep-dctrl on the best machine for the job doesn't read .gz files very well..
[07:35] <Keybuk> gah, found _another_ dpkg disappear/replaces bug *sigh*
[07:37] <doko> jbailey: why don't you want to install the x86_64 headers in libc-dev, as done by amd64-libs-dev?
[07:38] <jbailey> Where did amd64-libs-dev install them?  I thought that they hadn't installed them for some reason.
[07:41] <jbailey> Right, I had tried installing them in /usr/include/x86_64-linux and it hadn't worked.
[07:41] <jbailey> But I see that that's not the search path now.
[07:41] <jbailey> So I'll do that.  Easy enough.
[07:42] <lamont> doko: could you look at that hppa patch and see if it's sensible in 3.4 as well?
[07:46] <lamont> doko: which version of gcc-defaults switched hppa back to 4.0?
[07:46] <lamont> (not clear from the changelog if it was 27 or 28)
[07:47] <lamont> 27
[07:50] <jbailey> lamont: Do you need other fixes in glibc for the next upload?
[07:50] <lamont> jbailey: not that I know of
[07:51] <lamont> +glibc (2.3.5-1ubuntu7hppa1) breezy; urgency=low
[07:51] <lamont> +
[07:51] <lamont> +  * drop glibc234-hppa-remove-mallocdef
[07:51] <lamont> that's all I have locally, and that was in -1ubuntu8, so all should be happy.
[07:55] <lamont> doko/jbailey: so correct me if I'm wrong, but no .so files should have _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ in the dynamic syms, right?
[07:56] <jbailey> lamont: I'd have to check the ELF spec to be really sure, but I don't remember ever seeing it.
[07:57] <lamont> well, it's only fatal when two of them have it. :-)
[07:57] <jbailey> Right. =)
[07:58] <jbailey> "The symbol _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ may reside in the middle of the .got section, allowing both negative and non-negative subscripts into the array of addresses."
[07:58] <jbailey> But it's extern.
[07:58] <jbailey> (by spec)
[07:58] <jbailey> So I'm guessing based on that, that no, it should be provided by one of the startup bits from glibc, or generated by gcc.
[08:00] <jbailey> Anything can reference it, though, it should just not be provided by them.
[08:36] <lamont> right.  thanks.
[08:42] <jbailey> lamont: I still haven't gotten access to j5k again, but doko gave me access to his hppa box.
[08:42] <jbailey> lamont: If you have a testcase that produces it, I'd be interested in looking at it to see at least which piece is doing the bad generation.
[08:47] <lamont> interestingly, we just have local absolute symbols that have that value, it appears.
[08:48] <lamont> IOW, it may just be that I took the debian issue and extrapolated it onto ubuntu
[08:49] <lamont> but since we've switched to 4.0 on hppa/breezy, I'll build that, glibc, rebuild gcc-4.0, and upload the latter 2, and then just see how it goes before I start nuking things....]
[08:49] <jbailey> 'k
[08:50] <jbailey> Or I wonder if it's something historical from the 2.3.2 glibc that only showed up in that archive.
[08:50] <jbailey> But since breezy is built with 2.3.5 in its entirety.
[08:51] <lamont> I think it was actually something that showed up with 2.3.5-built-by-gcc-4.0
[08:51] <lamont> which is to say, I may be doing overkill in bootstrapping gcc :-)
[08:52] <jbailey> Erm.
[08:52] <jbailey> Don't do that. =)
[08:52] <jbailey> Actually, no.
[08:52] <jbailey> You can't have done that without serious patching.
[08:52] <jbailey> It just won't build at this point.
[09:00] <lamont> jbailey: right.
[09:01] <lamont> our glibc is build with 3.4, and is FTBFS with 4.0, correct?
[09:01] <jbailey> Right.
[09:01] <lamont> in which case, I should be able to just build the new glibc (with 3.4), and then use that in the build of the new gcc-4.0, and all is well
[09:02] <lamont> ./usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.10 00116b7c g DO *ABS* 00000000 Base _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_
[09:02] <lamont> plenty of entries like that
[09:02] <lamont> but they're all local, not exported
[09:02] <jbailey> I will do the gcc-4 hackery for 6.04
[09:11] <lamont> $no_build_regex = ".";
[09:11] <lamont> that just makes me feel dirty.
[09:12] <jbailey> Should that not be .* ?
[09:12] <lamont> if the regex exists in the string, it's a match
[09:12] <jbailey> Ah. 'k.
[09:12] <lamont> so the only thing that '.' doesn't match is an empty line
[09:12] <lamont> that's on the hppa/breezy buildd
[09:14] <lamont> jbailey: not sure what debian did for their 2.3.5 glibc...
[09:14] <jbailey> What do you mean?
[09:17] <lamont> well, they felt that they had to binNMU glibc after fixing gcc-4.0...
[09:18] <lamont> so it would seem that they did a 2.3.5 build with gcc-4.0, no?
[09:18] <jbailey> Err..  They shouldn't have, unless gotom's been playing with some of the gcc-4 patches.
[09:18] <jbailey> I told them I didn't think it was a good idea and got into an argument with drow and gotom, though.
[09:19] <jbailey> Ayup
[09:19] <jbailey> I also don't know for certain that we're using the same hppa patches between Debian and Ubuntu.
[09:19] <lamont> the last time glibc was built by the buildd was 2.3.2.ds1-22
[09:20] <jbailey> I did the backport for Ubuntu, and I think gotom did his own.
[09:20] <lamont> which is to say, we have no build logs
[09:20] <jbailey> Even better!
[09:20] <jbailey> =)
[09:21] <jbailey> lamont: I was good!  I didn't even ask!
[09:21] <lamont> jbailey: heh
[10:10] <lamont> hrm... is there any reason to use ccache in the gcc-* builds, or do they just use the internal version of themselves for everything and we're just polluting the cache?
[11:11] <jbailey> lamont: The stage1 compiler gets built with the ccache.
[11:11] <jbailey> lamont: After that, I'd be surprised if you ever poluted the cache.  It calls itself explicitely by pathna,e
[11:22] <lamont> ah, true


[00:34] <holstein> OvenWerks: i agree about the menu structure.. and getting lost
[00:36] <holstein> for me, i think the question is, what can be consistent across the DE's, or most of them, with the least about of preperation per DE
[00:36] <holstein> one place someone can do the setup, and it'll just apply
[00:37] <holstein> there may be no such indicator or whatever..
[00:43] <OvenWerks> holstein: yes that is the question. The main menu is no longer consistant across DEs, what do we replace it with? Or how do we fit with what they do, with their theme of things.
[00:44] <holstein> OvenWerks: do you think the "dust will settle" so to speak, soon? and things will be more consitent?
[00:44] <holstein> seems like, that would be a goal
[00:45] <OvenWerks> I don't see unity/kde/gnome ever being "the same"
[00:46] <OvenWerks> I don't see lubuntu going away from the menu
[00:46] <holstein> lxqt seems menu like
[00:47] <OvenWerks> I think for me it will be installing them all and looking for common ground
[00:47] <OvenWerks> lxqt is lxde next and yes I think so.
[00:47] <holstein> you think, in vm is enough?
[00:48] <OvenWerks> I have 5 or 6 partitions of 20 meg or so each.
[00:48] <OvenWerks> I have never been happy with VMs
[00:49] <OvenWerks> maybe I am just old :)  (double nickle next month)
[00:50] <holstein> :)
[00:50] <OvenWerks> Anyway I can carve off a few more partitions if I need to.
[00:51] <holstein> i think i'll try VMs.. for space
[00:52] <holstein> though, i dont care for them either.. and, 3d can be odd in them.. which needs to be tested
[00:57] <OvenWerks> xfce-panel is a separate application. I have run it in unity before under the unity panel. I have also used it as first app with ssh -Y to give me a menu.
[00:58] <holstein> handy
[00:58] <holstein> its not heavy, either..
[00:58] <holstein> xfce panel is pretty snappy
[00:58] <OvenWerks> it seems to me I did have some trouble with unity can't remember what now.
[00:58] <holstein> 3d?
[00:58] <OvenWerks> I did not take time to work it out.
[00:59] <OvenWerks> I think it got hidden easy
[01:00] <OvenWerks> This would be about a year and a half ago. Life has made ubuntustudio back burner for a bit.
[01:04] <OvenWerks> My netbook is starting to fail. I can't see the boot screen (boot blindly) and the display is going blinky. I have not yet replaced the drive where I was doing my dev work because I am not sure it is worth it. But it meant I could keep my wife company and do dev work at the same time. With the android I can be on line (like now) but not develop.
[01:05]  * OvenWerks should go cook a chicken.
[01:37] <holstein> yeah, i still have that going on a bit
[01:37] <holstein> im going to be finished with this house soon, though, and we'll see what i have time for
[01:38] <OvenWerks> Sounds good.
[01:38] <holstein> well, theres always something.. but, i want to thin it back out a bit
[01:38] <holstein> i cant be running around like i am
[01:39] <holstein> its been nice this week being on tour, with the days open, and being away from home and chores
[01:40]  * OvenWerks has about 6 mo of "work" left.
[01:41] <holstein> is that good?
[01:42] <OvenWerks> I am hoping so, My body has had enough of this work. I walk 10 to 15 miles a day with weight at speed.
[01:42] <holstein> yeah, thats tough work
[01:42] <holstein> you building things?
[01:42] <OvenWerks> It is a big part of why I stopped using the RIC as a bass
[01:43] <OvenWerks> I delever mail on foot.
[01:43] <holstein> ah.. thats rough, too
[01:43] <holstein> 6 months til you retire?
[01:43] <holstein> you are not old enough to retire..
[01:44] <holstein> though, i would like an early retirement
[01:44] <OvenWerks> about that yeah. it will give 30 years I'll get about 60% per mo what I get now.
[01:44] <holstein> OvenWerks: thats great!
[01:44] <holstein> and, 100% more free time..
[01:44] <holstein> sounds like a good deal
[01:45] <OvenWerks> My Yf is just starting her career as a nurse so I will take care of kids and house.
[01:45] <holstein> well, that aint easy, but its good
[01:45] <OvenWerks> The house might actually get taken care of with one of us off.
[01:46] <holstein> i hear that
[01:46] <holstein> its a lot of work to just keep things straight there
[01:46] <OvenWerks> yup.
[01:46] <holstein> alright.. im out.. i gotta drive 10 hours tomorrow and play a show
[01:46] <holstein> cheers!
[01:50] <OvenWerks> holstein: later
[01:53] <DalekSec> Sounds like "fun"
[01:53] <DalekSec> holstein: Live stream it! ;)
[16:37] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ok, so you're going to become a full time Studio developer then? :P
[18:31] <cub> Good evening (at least here in CEST)
[18:31] <cub> Anyone tried LIghtworks for video editing?
[18:52] <cub> Wow, things happened with kdenlive while I was gone
[18:52] <cub> not so great stuff for US though
[19:57] <DalekSec> Howdy, cub.
[20:45] <cub> &quit
[21:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: fuller than the last few cycles :)


[04:51] <Stepnjump> Hi guys I have a problem
[04:51] <Stepnjump> Not many people here I wonder if someone could help out


[00:51] <KingOfDos> Someone here that can give me a suggestion about a SoundBlaster 1024 Live when i'm using Alsa? I can't find the propper input device from console.
[01:04] <jmarsden> KingOfDos: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:08] <spiritssight> Is they any one willing to assist in helping with setup a server for a non-profit if so please PM me
[01:09] <spiritssight> I am hoping a person in the US so it would be easer to talk then to try and type
[01:11] <jmarsden> spiritssight: I suggest reading http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html and then asking a more specific question to the channel?  Your questions could mean you need a few days of (unpaid?) consulting (!), or that you have one specific issue you would like help with...
[01:14] <spiritssight> Ok, I am asking for someone that is willing to setup a server for the non-profit from the install to the making sure the domain works with the system, and yes sadly it would be unpaid as the non-profit does not have any money and I don't either, this is why trying to setup a server on a computer I have instead of paying for one and seeing we need a little more then what is allowed on cheap accounts we are going this rout
[01:16] <KingOfDos> jmarsden: i'm trying to record/stream from a TV card with vlc. i have to give vlc a proper v4l-adev, but don't know what input is a specific type (the internal cd_in or aux_in for example)
[01:17] <KingOfDos> I had found some information in /proc/asound/Live/pcmXX/info (where XX is something like 1c, 2c, 2p, etc).
[01:23] <zul> spiritssight: you might get more traction with your local linux users group or emailing the ubuntu-server mailing list
[01:23] <antihc3> I just installed server and everything went verywell but then i loged out and relogged in now it says i am not in the sudo list 0_0
[01:26] <antihc3> any suggestions how to edit sudo file now
[01:27] <spiritssight> Is it a good idea to use LVM for one harddrive
[01:28] <spiritssight> 55 gb harddrive
[01:28] <KingOfDos> jmarsden: the sount itself is working. i'd checked it with vlc and some mp3 file. that plays nice.
[01:28] <KingOfDos> but i just cannot find the right input for my recording/streaming
[01:32] <spiritssight> I am doing a install with out doing any parts just to get a feel for the install the I will reinstall again :-)
[01:32] <spiritssight> oops thats was not for here :-)
[01:32] <spiritssight> Still looking for help throw
[01:42] <antihc3_> is there a list of groups that the first user is a member of after server install
[01:43] <jmarsden> antihc3: Yes, the admin group is the one you care about.  WHat does     grep ^admin /etc/group    output?
[01:47] <antihc3_> jmarsden, admin:x:114:
[01:47] <antihc3_> yea i was playing with useradd and messed up my groups
[01:48] <jmarsden> antihc3_: Hm, so there is noone in your admin group.
[01:48] <jmarsden> Can you boot into recovery mode and fix things from there?
[01:51] <antihc3_> that is where i am now
[01:51] <jmarsden> KingOfDos: vlc... on a server?? This has gone from being "about a SoundBlaster 1024 Live" to being about vlc, I think...
[01:52] <KingOfDos> cvlc ;)
[01:52] <jmarsden> antihc3_: sorry, I need to go AFK for a while.  Back in 20 mins or so... bad timing...
[01:52] <KingOfDos> console version. but that's not my question. i've got the TV card working, but just no audio.
[01:53] <KingOfDos> connected the audio_out from my tvcard to the cd_in at my soundblaster.
[01:53] <KingOfDos> and there is audio on that cable (tested it with a headphone and a few wires), so that's not the problem.
[01:54] <KingOfDos> i just don't know what device i can use for the actual recording
[01:55] <antihc3_> jmarsden, thanks i did usermod -a -G admin
[01:55] <KingOfDos> i'd tested it with /dev/snd/pcm* (one by one) as adev (audio input device for vlc)
[01:56] <KingOfDos> even changed the connector from cd_in to aux_in, and others. this makes no effect. checked the alsamixer for it's volumes, thats also correct.
[01:57] <spiritssight> jmarsden: I pm you
[02:24] <lukehasnoname> Can I manage samba shares through SWAT?
[02:39] <jmarsden> lukehasnoname: What happens when you try?
[02:40] <lukehasnoname> All I see are "Home, Status, View, Password
[02:40] <lukehasnoname> "
[02:41] <lukehasnoname> none of those pages allow to create shares
[02:41] <lukehasnoname> that I see
[02:48] <jmarsden> lukehasnoname: Are you logged into SWAT as a user with the privs to create new shares??  I used SWAT ages ago, but not under Ubuntu... will try installing it here and seeing how that goes...
[02:50] <lukehasnoname> ah yes, you're right
[02:51] <lukehasnoname> I'll try root and get back to you.... but right now it's CTF time across campus
[02:52] <jmarsden> CTF?  Call The Firebrigade?  What??  Anyway, OK... :-)
[02:55] <lukehasnoname> capture the flag
[02:55] <jmarsden> lukehasnoname: Ah, OK!  Have fun!
[04:10] <CarlFK> at the end of u-server install, I have a dialog "installation is complete.  you need to restart... (Restart no)"
[04:10] <CarlFK> mouse is not working, and I can't seem to hit the button with the keyboard
[04:11] <jmarsden> CarlFK: Try the TAB key to move around and the Press Enter to press the button once it is highlighted?
[04:12] <CarlFK> treid that.  it is the only dialog/button, so not much to tab to
[04:13] <jmarsden> And Enter won't work?  Odd.  CAn you Ctrl-Alt-Del ?
[04:16] <CarlFK> well, I am connected via vnc to a vm - sending C-A-D didn't
[04:17] <jmarsden> CarlFK: Then just issue some sort of reboot command to that vm?
[04:18] <CarlFK> i don't have access to that :)
[04:18] <CarlFK> box is at a friends house.  Ill have to disturb his teevee watching....
[04:19] <jmarsden> You don't have a way to reboot your own VM?  ... Ah, well... then you can wait until his TV programme is finished, or risk his anger and beig disturbed :-)
[04:34] <CarlFK> oh brother.  it wasn't the u-server cd...
[04:35] <jmarsden> Guessing... You reinstalled Ubuntu on the hardware, thinking it was a VM??
[04:37] <CarlFK> heh
[04:37] <CarlFK> no - restarted the VM, and I have gnome.
[04:37] <jmarsden> Ah, OK... so you're all set for some remote computing fun :-)
[04:37] <CarlFK> I was wondering about the new options on the u-server cd menu
[04:38] <CarlFK> there was some confusion as to what .iso to get
[04:39] <CarlFK> im trying to test some x64 stuff, and I don't have a good x64 box to test on
[04:39] <CarlFK> I have my laptop, but I don't really want to kernel panic it (which is a result of what I am testing)
[04:41] <jmarsden> Well, I guess you can now download the right ISO to your virtual desktop, export it to somewhere on the underlying real machine's filesystem, then build another VM using that ISO?
[04:42] <CarlFK> that sounds like work :)
[04:43] <CarlFK> Ill make an ssh tunnel to my box, ssh back though the tunnel, and crash the vm
[04:45] <CarlFK> actually, working with gnome-term over vnc isn't terible
[05:13] <CarlFK> where is a good place to put a one line script to run on boot, before any gui comes up? ssh -R 2222:<IP_ADDRESS>:22 sshd.personnelware.com
[05:13] <hads> As root or a standard user?
[05:14] <CarlFK> standard
[05:14] <hads> Probably in cron @reboot
[05:14] <CarlFK> ohh... heard of that
[05:14] <CarlFK> @reboot happens at the begining?  I would have guessed as part of the shutdown
[05:22] <jmarsden> CarlFK: Do man 5 crontab to check :-)
[05:23] <CarlFK> jmarsden: thanks.
[05:23] <CarlFK> hmm, if the script doesn't return.. is cron ok with that?
[05:26] <jmarsden> CarlFK: I'm not sure... can the script do ssh -R 2222:<IP_ADDRESS>:22 sshd.personnelware.com &    # So it returns but leaves the ssh process running?
[05:27] <CarlFK> wtf.. ssh is somehow causing a gui dialg to come up asking for my pw so it can do key exchange ?
[05:27] <CarlFK> oh.. create the keyring...
[05:27] <CarlFK> hmm.
[05:31] <CarlFK> yeah, looks like this work:  make_tunnel.sh &
[06:34] <mylogic> anyone recommend any particular irc bouncers for ubuntu server?
[08:34] <kraut> moin
[09:37] <frith> sorry to ask here, i am trying to benchmark a number of servers, bonnie++ give me a good disk performance measuring stick, but what can i use for cpu and memory performance?
[10:13] <KingOfDos> moin. does someone know a method to "fake" the ALSA driver? i want a seperate "stream" for each input instead of a /dev/dsp witch I cannot use from VLC (VLC is NOT supporting ALSA on a "working" way)
[10:14] <KingOfDos> so for example, a pseudo-driver that will redirect all the audio from the aux_in to /dev/soundcard1/aux_in
[10:31] <stka> hi
[10:38] <stka> I like to get saslauthd using ldap as mechanism I configured /etc/defaults/saslauthd as followed http://phpfi.com/376133 /etc/saslauthd.conf looks like this http://phpfi.com/376134. When I start saslauthd with "/etc/init.d/saslauthd start" sasl is not working. Wenn I start saslauthd over cli with "saslauthd -d -a ldap -r -V" everything works fine. So what did I forgot?
[11:01] <stka> solution --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cyrus-sasl2/+bug/138931
[11:24] <francesco___> hello how i find my mac address ?
[11:25] <ascent> ifconfig shows it
[11:25] <francesco___> no...
[11:25] <ascent> unless it's unsupported/unrecognized.
[11:25] <francesco___> wait its Hwaddr???
[11:26] <ascent> yes
[11:26] <francesco___> ok
[11:26] <francesco___> ;)
[11:31] <francesco____> how i see my assigned ip address?
[11:31] <ascent> ifconfig
[11:32] <francesco____> no really this 1 not show ..
[11:32] <francesco____> lol
[11:32] <francesco____> no yes
[11:33] <francesco____> but
[11:33] <francesco____> is strange
[11:33] <francesco____> i m connected with wifi
[11:33] <francesco____> for to see it i must type iwconfig???
[11:34] <francesco____> but iwconfig do not show it against ifconfig yes.. why ?
[11:34] <Deeps> iwconfig will show you the wireless configuration setting, e.g. what access point your connected to, what speed you're synced at, signal strength, etc.
[11:34] <francesco____> ok
[11:34] <Deeps> it wont show you your IP settings
[11:34] <francesco____> ok
[11:34] <Deeps> ifconfig does that
[11:35] <francesco____> ok so all interfaces are in ifconfig , and iwconfig is the configuration of wirless
[11:35] <Deeps> yep
[11:36] <francesco____> thx .. ascent i sorry for befor if i said no... lol
[12:03] <_ruben> ifconfig is ancient, ip ftw
[12:13] <moo---> :O
[12:13] <moo---> noo
[12:14] <moo---> you don't take away my ipconfig, do you?
[12:14] <moo---> ifconfig
[12:17] <francesco____> hello how can be that the password in my terminal is wrong ??
[12:17] <francesco____> if i type su
[12:17] <francesco____> then passowor say me... authentication falied
[12:19] <_ruben> !sudo
[12:19] <_ruben> dont use su
[12:19] <Gargoyle> yeah, sudo -s is much better! :)
[13:21] <scientes> do i need the server kernel to be a xen Dom0
[13:21] <scientes> ?
[13:44] <_ruben> samba .. firefox .. eh? :p
[14:25] <TrioTorus> In openldap, the posixAccount objectclass provides the loginShell attribute, but it is not mandatory. If no loginShell is given how does ubuntu handle that? In my new setup, such a user gets /bin/sh as loginshell, isn't that a tad dangerous?
[14:28] <andol> TrioTorus: Perhaps I'm slow today, but how is that dangerous?
[14:28] <sommer> TrioTorus: /bin/sh is a sybolic link to dash
[14:29] <sommer> by default anyway
[14:29] <TrioTorus> well, shouldn't it default to /bin/false if no loginShell is provided?
[14:30] <andol> TrioTorus: Now I see your point.
[14:30] <andol> TrioTorus: Not sure if I agree thought :) In my world the default state of an account is active, so setting /bin/false is something which should be actively done
[14:33] <TrioTorus> andol: yes I follow that too, but my opinion is that a default should be at least set (either /bin/false or something else) but I was surprised to see that I get /bin/sh when loginShell is not specified at all.
[14:35] <TrioTorus> when using openldap
[14:38] <TrioTorus> you could argue that it is the responsibility of the script you use to specify a loginshell for a new user account, but if even openldap doesn't think loginShell is a mandatory attribute for a posixAccount, the system's fallback for that shouldn't be /bin/sh  -  I'm thinking.
[14:45] <CarlFK> is there a u-x64 channel?
[14:46] <CarlFK> or.. why does bash crash: echo hi foo>x.sh; chmod u+x x.sh; ./x.sh  = malloc: ../bash/dispose_cmd.c:241: assertion botched; free: called with unallocated block argument
[14:50] <_ruben> because its invalid code perhaps, should crash tho
[15:25] <CarlFK> if I accedenly installed u-desktop, how can I disable gdm from starting?
[15:26] <CarlFK> without doing apt-get remove ... don't feel like waiting
[15:30] <sommer> CarlFK: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[15:34] <CarlFK> sommer: thanks
[15:35] <nealmcb> anybody know the status of alfresco in ubuntu?  I see this announcement about the partner repository - why partner?  I thought it was GPL.  http://www.ubuntu.com/news/alfresco-enterprise-content-management
[15:35] <Omahn> kirkland: I'm just testing the hardy-proposed packages for degraded RAID and I'm guessing that after replacing a failed disk in to the md, I'll need to re-run grub-install /dev/md, is this correct?
[15:38] <kirkland> Omahn: yes, that's true
[15:38] <kirkland> Omahn: we've discussed a wrapper tool that would do this
[15:38] <Omahn> kirkland: No problem. I'm guessing that's something that will be included in the documentation anyway.
[15:38] <kirkland> Omahn: but for now, it's manual
[15:38] <kirkland> Omahn: exactly
[15:38] <Omahn> Oh, cool, that's even better.
[15:38] <kirkland> Omahn: i discussed with sommer at some point ;-)
[15:39] <Omahn> It all seems to be working for me so far. Testing in VMware at the moment but I'm hoping to get some physical hardware to test on tomorrow.
[15:40] <Omahn> Hmm. Seems my testing in VMware isn't going to be particularly valid. WS6.5 is taking the second disk and changing it to sda on power on when the first disk is removed.
[15:41] <kirkland> Omahn: i'd be interested in your experience
[15:41] <kirkland> Omahn: all of my testing has been in KVM
[15:41] <Omahn> kirkland: No problem, I'll be posting in the bug report, hopefully sometime tomorrow on the VMware tests and later in the week for physical, assuming I can get my hands on some.
[15:42] <Omahn> kirkland: What's the delay on boot when one of the disks is missing? Seems like a long time.
[15:42] <kirkland> Omahn: 3 minutes, in Hardy
[15:42] <kirkland> Omahn: 30 seconds, in Intrepid
[15:42] <kirkland> Omahn: it's annoyingly long, in my opinion'
[15:42] <Omahn> kirkland: Any way of reducing it in Hardy? ;-)
[15:43] <Omahn> kirkland: I rebooted the first couple of times.. :-)
[15:43] <Omahn> kirkland: A spinner, or anything really, to the screen would be useful.
[15:43] <kirkland> Omahn: hmm, you could hack /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local
[15:44] <kirkland> Omahn: search for "slumber"
[15:44] <kirkland> Omahn: then you'd have to re-run update-initramfs
[15:44] <Omahn> kirkland: Thanks, I'll check it out.
[15:44] <kirkland> Omahn: it somewhat invalidates the testing I'm requesting, though ... :-/
[15:45] <Omahn> kirkland: ha, no problem, I'll just stick with the standard test case for now. BTW, I've tested everything successfully bar the kernel options. (which I'll be testing in the morning)
[15:45] <kirkland> Omahn: wow, thanks dude!
[15:47] <Omahn> kirkland: No problem. ttfn.
[15:49] <nijaba> nealmcb: there are 2 versions of alfresco.  The community version is GPL, the enterprise version is not
[15:49] <nijaba> nealmcb: I believe the PR refers to the enterprise version
[15:50] <nijaba> nealmcb: feel free to package the community version, we'll gladly put it in universe ;)
[17:17] <zul> mathiaz: what do you think about an SRU for samba to move to 3.2.4 for intrepid?
[17:17] <mathiaz> zul: which bugs are fixed by 3.2.4?
[17:18] <zul> probably alot of the winbind crashes i have gone through them yet
[17:19] <zul> i can put it on the agenda for the meeting tomorrow though
[17:20] <mathiaz> zul: sure
[17:20] <fbond> Hi, is 64-bit kernel + 64-bit userspace stable these days?  Would I be better off with 64-bit kernel + 32-bit userspace (assuming I don't need >2GB memory for any given process)?
[17:21] <ascent> I'd pick 64bits
[17:22] <fbond> ascent: 64-bit userspace?  Any particular reason?
[17:23] <Nafallo> 128-bit isn't here yet? ;-)
[17:23] <ascent> I'm running quite a few debian servers with 64 bits OS, never had problems with it. Since ubuntu is a derative, I'd feel godo using 64 bits ubuntu as well
[17:23] <fbond> ascent: Okay, thanks.
[17:23] <ascent> I don't see the point of using 32 bits on 64 bits hardware anymore
[17:23] <fbond> I'm mostly concerned about userspace bugs due to bad assumptions about pointer arithmetic, etc.
[17:23] <ascent> never had 64 bits related issues
[17:24] <ascent> OK, well, 'm not into it that much but from my experiences, I'm happy with 64bits
[17:24] <ascent> NBot a programmer myself however :)
[17:24] <Nafallo> start running 32-bit and later decide to add a service that needs lots of memory... good luck keeping your userspace intact without going through evil hops of cold fire!
[17:25] <Nafallo> the safe bet is 64 ;-)
[17:26] <fbond> Okay, thanks.
[17:47] <nealmcb> nijaba: the press release notes both the labs and the enterprise version.  http://www.alfresco.com/products/networks/compare/ says this about both enterprise and labs: "100% Open Source "  so I'm still puzzled about why it would be in partner - especially the first "labs" version which is called "GPL" elsewhere on their site.  Here is an update.  http://forums.alfresco.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13934
[17:49] <jmarsden> nealmcb: alfresco used to use a weird modified licence that was not officially "open source", but I think they recently switched to GPL?
[17:49] <nealmcb> jmarsden: ahh - could be...
[17:50] <jmarsden> There was a lot of fuss about tehir claiming to be "open source" but not really being such... but I think that is all past history now...
[17:50] <nealmcb> that would be good material for their wikipedia entry
[17:51] <jmarsden> Looks like they changed in Feb 2007, so not exactly a recent change... http://opensource.osdir.com/node/109.html
[17:53] <sandstrom> How can I allow hostname lookups (eg. host yahoo.com) through my firewall using UFW?
[17:55] <samuraipenguin> ufw allow 53
[17:56] <samuraipenguin> 99.9% of dns queries are UDP, but, tracking down a fix for that .1% makes it worth leaving 53/tcp open as well.
[17:56] <sandstrom> thanks. I'll try
[18:07] <sandstrom> I think my server is somehow setup to run hostname lookups on another port than 53. How can I see which port a process is attempting to use?
[18:09] <samuraipengui1> hostname lookups are extremely tiny, but netstat -ant should let you see active connections.
[18:13] <jmarsden> sandstrom: If you have ufw turned on, logically, do   sudo ufw logging on   and then read the log?
[18:14] <fbond> Is 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace supported by Ubuntu Server?
[18:14] <sandstrom> sounds logical yes. I didn't know about the logging but will look at it
[18:15] <jmarsden> sandstrom: ufw help shows the basic ufw commands :-)
[18:16] <sandstrom> I'm new. Thanks!
[18:19] <sandstrom> jmarsden: stupid question, but where can I see the log?
[18:20] <jmarsden> I'd guess /var/log/messages -- I don't use ufw on this machine...
[18:21] <sandstrom> it's empty
[18:22] <jmarsden> sandstrom: I just tested it here... /var/log/messages just like otehr iptables firewalling solutions.
[18:22] <jmarsden> sandstrom: DO something you know your ufw rules will deny, then grep -u ufw /var/log/messages
[18:23] <jmarsden> if /var/log/messages is *empty* on a Ubuntu server ... are you sure syslogd is running properly??
[18:23] <sandstrom> I do "host yahoo.com" which timesout when the firewall is enabled. Then I look in /var/log/messages and see some "MARK…" but nothing else.
[18:23] <sandstrom> no, I'm not sure
[18:26] <jmarsden> sandstrom: OK, so do  sudo ufw deny proto tcp to any port 12345   and then    telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 12345  and then grep UFW /var/log/messages
[18:26] <jmarsden> There should be lines with "[UFW BLOCK INPUT]:" in them.
[18:28] <sandstrom> nope
[18:29] <sandstrom> this is the content of /var/log/messages: http://pastie.org/311544
[18:30] <jmarsden> This is a real Ubuntu server installation?  It's very odd to see so little in there...
[18:32] <jmarsden> Does    sudo /sbin/iptables -L -v | grep LOG    output some rules including the string "UFW BLOCK" ?
[18:33] <samuraipengui1> jmarsden: i have a LAMP/mail server, and i've got nothing but MARK and syslogd restarts in /var/log/messages for the last 20 days, since it booted.
[18:34] <jmarsden> Interesting, I get all kinds of stuff in there on my servers...
[18:37] <NickBee> Guys, need help with network configuration ... am a newbie on linux
[18:37] <NickBee> i had managed to set up the networking right, and the server has been running for 3 months now when i had to reboot it
[18:37] <NickBee> and the network is down again
[18:37] <NickBee> I am able to ping localhost
[18:38] <ascent> that's the downside of reboots, you'll lose connection for a bit ;)
[18:38] <NickBee> but thats it, can't ping anywhere else
[18:38] <ascent> so, what's the error youget?
[18:39] <NickBee> it takes forever to return from ping
[18:39] <ascent> dns failure?
[18:39] <ascent> tried pinging an ip?
[18:40] <NickBee> pinging to ip says: Host unreachable
[18:41] <ascent> default route set OK ?
[18:41] <ascent> and, dou you even have an ip ?
[18:41] <ascent> besides <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:41] <NickBee> i am not sure about route
[18:41] <ascent> which most of us will have
[18:41] <NickBee> but yes, it has a static IP
[18:41] <ascent> is it set?
[18:41] <NickBee> yes, i checked the inerfaces file and it seems ok
[18:42] <NickBee> ubuntu is running as a VM
[18:42] <NickBee> and i am unable to ping even the host
[18:43] <NickBee> before reboot, everything was fine
[18:43] <samuraipengui1> check ifconfig -- is the network interface up?
[18:43] <NickBee> yes
[18:43] <ascent> you rebooted the domu or the dom0?
[18:43] <NickBee> domu/dom0 ?
[18:44] <ascent> host or client os?
[18:44] <NickBee> both
[18:44] <ascent> and is the host connected to the internet?
[18:44] <NickBee> yes
[18:44] <ascent> only the client has trouble?
[18:44] <NickBee> yup
[18:44] <ascent> what's the ip you see in the clients ifconfig?
[18:44] <jmarsden> sandstrom: I think ufw does not log *output* packets it blocks...
[18:45] <sandstrom> that might be it
[18:45] <NickBee> i see the correct IP
[18:45] <sandstrom> I've tried to use isof -i to find the port
[18:45] <NickBee> i.e. <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:45] <jmarsden> sandstrom: if you do   sudo ufw default enable    does the host lookup then work OK?
[18:46] <ascent> nickbee: and it's statically set ?
[18:46] <sandstrom> with ufw default allow it works
[18:46] <NickBee> yes
[18:46] <ascent> what does your route tabel look like?
[18:46] <jmarsden> sandstrom: That's what I meant, my mistake.  OK.  So let's add a logging rule for the output packets...
[18:47] <NickBee> can't copy paste from the v machine
[18:47] <NickBee> let me try to tell
[18:47] <NickBee> first entry
[18:48] <NickBee> dest: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:48] <NickBee> gateway: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:48] <NickBee> genmask: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:48] <NickBee> Flags: U
[18:48] <NickBee> Metric: 0
[18:48] <NickBee> Ref: 0
[18:49] <NickBee> Use: 0
[18:49] <NickBee> Iface: eth0
[18:49] <NickBee> Line 2
[18:49] <NickBee> Dest: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:49] <NickBee> Gateway: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:49] <ascent> can you ping that ip ?
[18:49] <NickBee> Genmask: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:49] <ascent> that gateway?
[18:49] <ascent> <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:50] <NickBee> oh, can't ping the gateway
[18:50] <NickBee> dest host unreachable
[18:50] <ascent> but from your host you can? or perhaps, that's the ip of the host?
[18:51] <NickBee> nope, thats not the IP of my host
[18:51] <ascent> but can the host ping that ip ?
[18:51] <NickBee> yes
[18:52] <NickBee> network from host is fine
[18:52] <NickBee> and thats the same gateway as set on host
[18:52] <ascent> what does the bridge config look like, on the host?
[18:52] <NickBee> host is windows server 2003
[18:53] <ascent> And damn to all of you for having popcorn and a coke and just sit back and relax while I'm debugging my ass off ;)
[18:53] <NickBee> where to check brige config?
[18:53] <ascent> So, can you verify the bridge?
[18:53] <ascent> I don't know. Never played with win2k3
[18:54] <NickBee> hmm..
[18:54] <NickBee> the machine has 2 network cards
[18:54] <NickBee> from the faint memory i have, i think the problem was that ubuntu was trying to acess the internet  from the card which was meant for local machine
[18:54] <NickBee> for Intranet i mean
[18:55] <jmarsden> sandstrom: Maybe we can use tcpdump to see what is happening... try   tcpdump -i any udp &  and then do host yahoo.com and see what tcpdump outputs?
[18:55] <sandstrom> trying…
[18:56] <ascent> brb, dinner
[18:56] <NickBee> Ok
[18:57] <NickBee> guys anyone having some spare time/energy to debug a network issue ;)
[18:58] <sandstrom> jmarsden: this is the output: http://pastie.org/311573
[18:59] <jmarsden> sandstrom: OK... now do sudo ufw default allow and then host yahoo.com and see what the tcpdump output says then... at the moment you're just not getting anything coming back in at all...
[19:00] <NickBee> Figured it out .... thanks!!!
[19:06] <sandstrom> jmarsden: sorry for the delay. here we have it: http://pastie.org/311573
[19:14] <jmarsden> sandstrom: I don't understand this... is <IP_ADDRESS> (fsdata.se) your nameserver?
[19:15] <sandstrom> yes
[19:15] <sandstrom> thats likely
[19:15] <sandstrom> it's a VPS
[19:16] <jmarsden> Maybe you can try    ufw allow from <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:16] <jmarsden> It's not exactly the "right" approach to this, but it might work :-)
[19:17] <sandstrom> jmarsden Cool that did the trick. Thanks a million!
[19:18] <jmarsden> No problem... as long as noone on that nameseer machine attacks you the firewall will still do its job :-)
[19:18] <sandstrom> okey, I think I'll be safe!
[19:19] <sandstrom> thanks again!!
[19:27] <sandstrom> smb (samba) autostarts on my webserver. Is it needed for any of apache, php, ssh, sftp or subversion? if not; how can I disable it's autostart?
[19:28] <ascent> probably not needed, use update-rc.d to disable it at bootup
[19:28] <ascent> you can always put it back there if you do happen to need it
[19:29] <sandstrom> how do I use update-rc.d ?
[19:29] <ascent> man update-rc.d?
[19:30] <sandstrom> thanks!!
[19:30] <ascent> lol
[20:02] <darkvertex> !ssh
[20:22] <ScottK> leonel: New Debian clamav package for Etch ought to be a good hint for security updates.
[20:23] <leonel> ScottK: I'll check if ther's a cve  or  do you know if there's any ?
[20:24] <ScottK> I haven't looked.  Just saw it was uploaded today.  It wouldn't have gone to -security if it wasn't.
[20:24] <leonel> ScottK: ok i'll do
[20:40] <jpds> Can someone please tell me a way to mirror a specific release with debmirror?
[20:41] <kinections> does anybody here have success with using elilo with ubuntu server?
[20:53] <jmarsden> jpds: Does the info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror help?
[20:55] <jpds> jmarsden: Thanks!
[20:55] <jmarsden> jpds: You're welcome
[21:08] <RediXe> Looking for any information on extracting all the data on a MS Exchange Server and getting it put onto an Ubuntu-Server.
[21:10] <jmarsden> RediXe: *All* the data?  You can export mailboxes to PST files using exmerge, and then read those using readpst under Linux... is that the kind of thing you need?
[21:10] <jmarsden> I'm not sure how to convert all the calendar/contact data... but for email xfer the above method should work.
[21:11] <RediXe> jmarsden: Well, I'm not sure as I have never played with an MSE Server. My boss if flying to a client and he is asking me for idea's on how to get the data on the server to our servers. I know this includes emails but I believe is wants everything else too.
[21:12] <jmarsden> You might have to look and running one fo the exchange alternatives like openexchange or ZImbra and converting to that???  But I know little to nothing about those/
[21:13] <ababs213> s
[21:19] <ScottK> AFAIK Openchange is supposed to support that kind of thing.
[21:19] <ScottK> There's a version in Intrepid, not sure how complete it is.
[21:29] <nixternal> anyone having issues with 8.10 and grub not installing or working after a clean install?
[21:39] <ababs213> can anyone assit with apache and ubntu ?
[21:40] <samuraipengui1> ababs213: just ask.
[21:41] <ababs213> http://<IP_ADDRESS> shows the  'it works' text, but  on internal ip address  http://<IP_ADDRESS> it does not show 'it works'
[21:41] <ababs213> i thought this was supposed to work for both
[21:43] <samuraipengui1> ababs213: firewall in the way?
[21:44] <nealmcb> ababs213: so you're just running a default apache install, and trying different urls?
[21:44] <ascent> or just not configured for both ups?
[21:44] <ababs213>  inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS> is what i have
[21:44] <samuraipengui1> also, try netstat -nat | grep www -- see if it's listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:www or <IP_ADDRESS>:222
[21:44] <ascent> whats 222?
[21:44] <nealmcb> lol
[21:44] <samuraipenguin> s/222/www/
[21:44] <nealmcb> 222 is near www
[21:45] <ascent> ah
[21:45]  * samuraipenguin fails at typing
[21:45] <ascent> well, there's a difference
[21:45] <ascent> <IP_ADDRESS> means every available ip
[21:45] <ascent> where <IP_ADDRESS> only represents localhost
[21:45] <ababs213> netstat brings in <IP_ADDRESS>:59296      <IP_ADDRESS>:5222     ESTABLISHED
[21:45] <ascent> so?
[21:46] <ababs213> i though i could access the 'it works' using both local host and the ip address of the computer.......is it not effectively the same thing ?
[21:46] <jmarsden> ababs213: Not necessarily.  Try netstat -nat | grep LISTEN and see where your apache httpd is listening...
[21:46] <ascent> depends on what port it listens
[21:47] <nealmcb> ababs213: the important thing is what it is listening on - try just netstat -nl
[21:47] <samuraipenguin> yeah, i'm lazy and use -nat for everything.
[21:47] <ababs213> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:3306          <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[21:47] <ababs213> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:80              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[21:47] <ababs213> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:631           <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[21:48] <ababs213> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:59296      <IP_ADDRESS>:5222     ESTABLISHED
[21:48] <ababs213> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:56840      <IP_ADDRESS>:6667     ESTABLISHED
[21:48] <ababs213> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:41832      <IP_ADDRESS>:5050     ESTABLISHED
[21:48] <ababs213> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:44322      <IP_ADDRESS>:1863      ESTABLISHED
[21:48] <jmarsden> OK, so the :80 is the apache... httpd.  You failed to |grep LISTEN apparently?!
[21:48] <samuraipenguin> ababs213: okay, that's enough.  apache is listening on all available addresses.  so there must be a firewall somewhere that is blocking the connection.
[21:49] <jmarsden> ababs213: if you    telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 80     what happens?
[21:49] <ababs213> http://pastebin.com/m2e01e0e6
[21:50] <jmarsden> ababs213: That's the result of a telnet???
[21:50] <ababs213> no the -nl
[21:50]  * jmarsden waits for the result of the telnet...
[21:51] <ababs213> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[21:51] <ababs213> Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[21:51] <jmarsden> It connected... OK.  type in     GET / HTTP-1.1  and press Enter.
[21:51] <ascent> get / <enter> <encter>
[21:51] <samuraipenguin> try typing "GET / HTTP/1.0" without quotes
[21:51] <jmarsden> :-)
[21:52] <samuraipenguin> lol, too much help at once, methinks
[21:52] <ascent> okay, I'll stop ;)
[21:54] <ababs213> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[21:54] <ababs213> Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[21:54] <ababs213> Escape character is '^]'.
[21:54] <ababs213> GET/HTTP/1.0
[21:54] <ababs213> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">

501 Method Not Implemented</title>

Method Not Implemented</h1>
GET/HTTP/1.0 to / not supported.<br />
[21:54] <ascent> \o/

[21:54] <ascent> there ya go
Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.3 with Suhosin-Patch Server at testhost Port 80</address>

[21:54] <ascent> that's for that complete plage mage
[21:54] <ababs213> Connection closed by foreign host.
[21:54] <ascent> mate
[21:54] <hads> !pastebin
[21:54] <ascent> I really needed that ;)
[21:55] <ababs213> http://pastebin.com/d7b08a40e
[21:57] <jmarsden> ababs213: You didn't type in some spaces either side of the / ?
[21:57] <jmarsden> But it looks like the server is alive.
[21:57] <ascent> it's jsut fine
[21:57] <ascent> and if this works, your browser also works
[21:57] <ababs213> i also got this when i started apache sorry Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/var/www] does not exist
[21:57] <ababs213> apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName
[21:57] <ascent> it may just not be configured with apache
[21:58] <ababs213> but it works on <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[21:58] <jmarsden> /home/var/www ?  That's weird.
[21:58] <ababs213> just not local ip
[21:58] <jmarsden> ababs213: Did someone or something edit the httpd.conf file ?
[21:58] <ababs213> i havent yet touched it as i dont fully understand it
[22:03] <jmarsden> What does    grep -i documentroot /etc/apache2/sites-available/*        output?  Should be just a couple of lines.
[22:04] <ababs213> yes just one
[22:04] <ababs213> 	DocumentRoot /var/www/
[22:04] <ababs213> the var and www only has root permissions but does that make a difference ?
[22:06] <jmarsden> ababs213: /var/www should be 755 (that is rwxr-xr-x)  What does ls -ld /var/www  output?
[22:06] <jmarsden> I don't like the way the warning referred to /home/var/www but the documentroot is /var/www -- that feeld very odd.
[22:06] <jmarsden> s/feeld/feels/
[22:07] <ababs213> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2008-11-07 22:22 /var/www
[22:07] <jmarsden> That's fine.
[22:07] <jmarsden> So the main issue is that something with hostname looking is broken, so the "could not reliably determine FQDN" thing happens.
[22:08] <ababs213> any suggestions on getting this resolved ? thanks
[22:09] <jmarsden> OK... what does    hostname    say ?
[22:10] <samuraipenguin> ababs213: to go back to the beginning, what happens when you browse to http://<your ip> ?
[22:10] <jmarsden> Do you have a domain name (such as ababs.com) to use for this web server?
[22:11] <ababs213> no
[22:11] <ababs213> just wanted to get local working before i start on port forwarding
[22:11] <ababs213> via a router
[22:12] <jmarsden> what does    hostname   output?  I'd suggest making it a fully qualified domain name, say   mypc.mydomain.local
[22:12] <jmarsden> Then edit /etc/hosts to match, and restart apache2
[22:13] <ababs213> just add in another local host line with the local ip address ?
[22:13] <ababs213> currently looks like this
[22:13] <ababs213> <IP_ADDRESS>	localhost
[22:13] <ababs213> <IP_ADDRESS>	abc-laptop
[22:13] <ababs213> <IP_ADDRESS>	testhost
[22:14] <jmarsden> Ah.  You didn't set up networking at install time, or something.  Make one that says   <IP_ADDRESS> testhost.mydomain.local
[22:14] <jmarsden> (if the hostname is testhost
[22:15] <jmarsden> Well, actually, <IP_ADDRESS> testhost.mydomain.local testhost        would be better still.
[22:15] <jmarsden> and get rid of anoth other lines containing testhost in that file.
[22:15] <jmarsden> *any other lines...
[22:16] <jmarsden> Done?
[22:17] <ababs213>  Restarting web server apache2       ==   Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/var/www] does not exist /    httpd (no pid file) not running
[22:18] <jmarsden> Well, we got rid of one warning :-)
[22:18] <jmarsden> BTW did you run a command      hostname testhost.mydomain.local    to set the hostname?
[22:18] <ababs213> http://pastebin.com/d2a562611
[22:19] <ababs213> cool
[22:20] <ababs213> works but still not on that particular ip address
[22:21] <jmarsden> The leading *s on some of those lines ion /etc/hosts are weird...
[22:21] <ababs213> no they are the ones i *'d
[22:22] <frish> hey, can any1 help me  with virt-viewer on ubuntu 8.10 ? it complains about X error...
[22:22] <ababs213> jmarsden......should it work with the local ip as well ?
[22:22] <ababs213> as without this working im not sure if port forwarding will work
[22:22] <ababs213> from external to router to laptop
[22:23] <jmarsden> Yes, it should... what happens if you now do      w3m http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:23] <ababs213> Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server.
[22:23] <ababs213>  Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.3 with Suhosin-Patch Server at <IP_ADDRESS> Port 80
[22:23] <jmarsden> OK, and    w3m  http://<IP_ADDRESS>    shows what?
[22:25] <ababs213> It works!
[22:25] <ababs213> with 127 even with the * in front of the text ?
[22:25] <jmarsden> Hm.  Somehow we have a bad documentroot /home/var/www that is messing things up for just the "real" IP...
[22:26] <samuraipenguin> purge/reinstall apache?
[22:26] <jmarsden> Not yet :-)
[22:26] <jmarsden> Let's try       find /etc/apache2 -type f | xargs grep /var/www
[22:27] <ababs213> /etc/apache2/sites-available/default:	DocumentRoot /var/www/
[22:27] <ababs213> /etc/apache2/sites-available/default:	<Directory /var/www/>
[22:27] <ababs213> /etc/apache2/httpd.conf:     DocumentRoot /home/var/www
[22:27] <ababs213> ps ive already reinstalled this one
[22:27] <ababs213> once
[22:27] <jmarsden> ababs213: So someone *did* edit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf !
[22:28] <jmarsden> Edit the file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf  -- by default it should be empty.... so let's look at what is in there...
[22:28] <ababs213> only just now i did put the * in front of the 127.xxx ip's ? hmm could it have been changed due to the 127 error i got earlier on restarting apache ?
[22:29] <jmarsden> Never mind your weird /etc/hosts file for right now.... what is in the httpd.conf ?
[22:30] <jmarsden> (And how did it get there, since you didn't edit it until now)?
[22:30] <jmarsden> If it is big just pastebin it...
[22:31] <ababs213> <VirtualHost *>       ServerName testhost       DocumentRoot /home/var/www  </Virtualhost>
[22:31] <ababs213> thats it
[22:33] <jmarsden> OK, just delete that completely so the file is empty, and restart apache.
[22:33] <jmarsden> I'd love to know who or what put that *in* there... but we'll probably never know!
[22:36] <ababs213> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[22:36] <ababs213> it wont even remove the file ?  abc@abc-laptop:~$ sudo rm etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[22:36] <ababs213> rm: cannot remove `etc/apache2/httpd.conf': No such file or directory
[22:36] <Deeps> sudo rm /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[22:36] <Deeps> you missed the leading /
[22:37] <ababs213> oh year thanks
[22:37] <jmarsden> ababs213: You don't want to do that.  Just edit it to be present but zero length....
[22:38] <jmarsden> Just like it is when you first install apache2 :-)
[22:38] <ababs213> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[22:38] <jmarsden> ababs213: Are you reading what I just wrote??
[22:38] <jmarsden> Now try     touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[22:39] <ababs213> yes after
[22:39] <jmarsden> Then restart apache2
[22:39] <ababs213> http://pastebin.com/d65879a01
[22:40] <jmarsden> Odd, we already fixed that once.  Anyway, see if    w3m http://<IP_ADDRESS> now works OK
[22:41] <ababs213> cool
[22:41] <ababs213> it works
[22:41] <samuraipenguin> at the bottom of apache2.conf add: ServerName testserver or similar.
[22:41] <ababs213> as does the 127
[22:41] <ababs213> as does http://testhost.mydomain.local.testhost/
[22:42] <ababs213> thanks you very much gentlemen
[22:42] <ababs213> ok im going to try the port forwarding now as well
[22:43] <jmarsden> OK.  You perhaps want to edit /etc/hosts so it is more like http://pastebin.com/d14712e1e
[22:47] <ababs213> jmarsden i think that has done it also got rid of all errors on restart of apache as well
[22:47] <jmarsden> Good :-)
[22:47] <ababs213> so it was in the main both the conf file and the httpd files
[22:47] <ababs213> thanks very much
[22:47] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  Now back up everything in /etc :-)
[22:49] <ababs213> will do is best pratice to call the files .bak and keep them there or copy them to another directory ?
[22:50] <jmarsden> ababs213: You are configuring a server and do not know how to do backups?  This is bad...  I'd do    tar zcf ~/etc-backup-2008011010.tar.gz /etc
[22:52] <ababs213> just learning
[22:52] <ababs213> never programmed before
[22:55] <jmarsden> ababs213: This is not programming.  This is system administration.
[22:55] <ababs213> once the server is set up then i start the programming
[22:55] <ababs213> php and mysql
[22:56] <ababs213> thanks again for your help
[22:56] <jmarsden> OK.
[23:20] <kees> mathiaz: can I nominate you to handle the merge of sysklogd and ntp?  I touched it last, but I was just mucking with hardening.
[23:22] <owh> kees: Is that in relation to the bug that has ntp starting and stopping? I'll have a look for the number.
[23:24] <owh> kees: Bug #114505
[23:24] <owh> kees: If not, carry on :)
[23:27] <kees> owh: no, unrelated.  I had fixed a different ntp bug where it would just instantly deadlock as soon as an interface came up at all.  :P
[23:28] <owh> kees: Excellent, does it do that by stopping ntp and restarting it :)
[23:42] <kees> owh: well, it's a bit of a mess, since ntp is trigger to restart when an interface comes up.
[23:43] <owh> kees: And that was to deal with ntpdate not updating if ntp was running :(
[23:43] <owh> It's baaaad all round.
[23:44] <kees> owh: yeah, and ntp before starting will call ntpdate.  in debian, they used the same lock file, so it'd just immediately deadlock.  :(
[23:45] <owh> kees: I submitted the patch to do the restart, but it was only ever a bandaid. I don't even have a handle yet on how it's supposed to work, let alone what to do to make it do that :)
[23:46] <owh> kees: It's like this quagmire of init scripts, time-outs, startups and restarts :(
[23:47]  * kees nods
[23:50] <owh> kees: I'd love to get my hands dirty and track it all down but I'm not even sure where to start because it appears as if there are bugs overlaying bugs, so picking it up at one end is likely to not actually get you closer to a fix. Having random people add "fixes" of course doesn't help :(
[23:51] <mathiaz> kees: IIRC someone else did the merge for sysklogd last time.
[23:51] <mathiaz> kees: but I'll have a look at it.
[23:54] <kees> mathiaz: cool, thanks
[23:56] <ababs213> need some assistance with hosting my webserver
[23:56] <ababs213> ive managed to get apache up and running locally with help from this channel
[23:56] <ababs213> now have got port forwarding on the router
[23:56] <ababs213> but no website
[23:57] <owh> ababs213: What happens?
[23:59] <ababs213> trace route using network tools shows my ip address
[23:59] <ababs213> traceroute using external ip shows local ip address


[01:00] <bjf> hallyn, it's an lts so it gets the full lts treatment (5 years). it will also get it's own long chain of hwe kernels
[01:03] <hallyn> bjf: thanks, that's what i would have thought :)
[13:13] <rtg> ppisati, can you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[13:13] <rtg> there are some references to OMAP4
[14:01] <ppisati> rtg: looking
[14:01] <ppisati> rtg: and bogus
[14:02] <rtg> ppisati, you can likely edit it
[14:02] <ppisati> rtg: that's for kernel using the drm kernel module
[14:02] <ppisati> rtg: i assume we are going for a server-only install this time around, since we can't provide any gl acceleration
[14:03] <ppisati> actually i can't edit it
[14:09] <rtg> ppisati, ok, I'll take care of it. thanks for the review.
[15:13] <jho_> I am trying to get the following card reader up and running: 5d:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5249 (rev 01)
[15:14] <jho_> currently I run 3.11.0-18-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 18 21:11:14 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux / Ubuntu 13.10
[15:15] <jho_> the 3.14-rc8 does not recognize the card either..
[15:21] <jho_> does anyone have a suggestion what the easiest method is to get the card up and running?
[15:23] <jjohansen> rtg: the apparmor kernel patch is still in testing, hopefully in a few hours
[15:24] <rtg> jjohansen, by noon ? 2.5 hours from now ?
[15:25] <jjohansen> rtg: I don't know
[15:27] <rtg> jjohansen, well, let me know as soon as you're comfortable with them.
[15:28] <jjohansen> rtg: ack, if you want to peek at the diff that is in testing it is the aa3ipc branch in ubuntu-trusty on zinc
[15:28] <rtg> jjohansen, ok
[15:28] <rtg> still working through broadwell patches
[16:35] <infinity> BenC: How did your kernel test builds end up yesterday?
[16:35] <BenC> infinity: Builds errored, fixed and redoing build now to verify
[18:34] <rtg> arges, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/170877586/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.linux_3.5.0-49.73~pre201403271230_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:35]  * arges looks
[18:35] <rtg> "module: do percpu allocation after uniqueness check. No, really!" is breaking my rice bowl on Quantal
[18:35] <arges> rtg: ok i did test build on my own machine. i'll check the logs
[18:37] <arges> rtg: feel free to NAK it and I'll resubmit
[18:37] <rtg> arges, I'll just lop it off tip of master-next
[20:09] <arges> rtg: ok. so i hit the same thing on my local build... but for some reason I have a build of this when I built remotely...
[20:10] <rtg> arges, ghost in the machine


[01:42] <xnox> bdmurray, apw causing problems - never. it's always my fault =)
[07:19] <flocculant> Odd_Bloke: seems I got your bits wrong on the b1 mail - sorry
[08:24] <flocculant> infinity: once upon a time we spoke about flavours being able to turn off dailies for themselves - did that get any further?
[08:39] <infinity> flocculant: Nein.
[08:57] <Odd_Bloke> flocculant: No worries. :)
[10:42] <davmor2> cyphermox, slangasek: I just had an interesting issue.  I successfully installed 3rd party with uefi + secureboot enabled and got the mokutil uefi menu to disable secureboot.  However when I went to re-enable it with mokutil --enable-validation it told me to install mokutil, when I ran apt install mokutil it told me it was already installed I found no executable for it, I had to purge the package and reinstall
[10:42] <davmor2> it to use it
[11:42] <tseliot> infinity: any chance you can approve my nvidia packages in NEW?
[14:14] <cyphermox> davmor2: ok
[14:15] <davmor2> cyphermox: key part of that was the thing installed :D
[14:19] <cyphermox> yay
[14:19] <cyphermox> I'll look about the reinstalling mokutil part, I think that's the autoremoval magic at the end of ubiquity that's being annoying again
[14:21] <davmor2> cyphermox: I think so too the odd thing was there was a docs branch for it with nothing in, there was no binary but the package said it was installed from Ubuntu-core iirc :)  just weird
[14:22] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:24] <cyphermox> ah, yes, think I found it
[18:13] <stgraber> oh crap, wrong pocket
[18:14]  * stgraber removes
[18:14] <stgraber> done
[18:15]  * stgraber re-uploads to the right one
[18:17] <stgraber> that's better