[00:00] <BUGabundo> I see so much stuff on what should go into fstab
[00:00] <BUGabundo> I have no idea how to set it up for SSD
[00:00] <BUGabundo> most is pre-btrfs
[00:02] <BUGabundo> ubuntu is boring
[00:02] <BUGabundo> I just installed it and there's nothing to configure
[00:02] <BUGabundo> everything worked OFTB :(
[00:03] <smallfoot-> lol
[00:03] <smallfoot-> try gentoo or slackware for more of a challenge
[00:10]  * Patrickdk wonders back to slackware
[00:11] <Patrickdk> used slackware for, 16years now?
[00:20] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you going to switch to btrfs in maverick?
[00:20] <BUGabundo> already did
[00:20] <BUGabundo> this new system is running on btrfs
[00:20] <bjsnider> is it stable?
[00:21] <BUGabundo> what can I do with it?
[00:21] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: now idea.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> only booted 3 times
[00:21] <BUGabundo> and copied some stuff from my old disk
[00:21] <BUGabundo> and installed most of my old packages
[00:21] <BUGabundo> dselect FTW
[00:21] <bjsnider> try killing power in the middle of a session by pulling the cord
[00:21] <BUGabundo> battery!
[00:21] <BUGabundo> and come on!!! I just installed
[00:21] <bjsnider> pull the battery first
[00:22] <BUGabundo> don't wanna ruinned it already
[00:22] <BUGabundo> plus pidgin HATES powerdowns
[00:22] <bjsnider> if btrfs is stable it won't ruin it
[00:22] <BUGabundo> need to test it with a less sensible profile
[00:22] <BUGabundo> *if*
[00:22] <Jordan_U> alt+sysrq+b should do quite nicely as a stand in for pulling the plug.
[00:22] <bjsnider> well, you asked what you could do to test it
[00:23] <BUGabundo> need to tune up my fstab 1st
[00:23] <BUGabundo> Jordan_U: I know! :)
[00:23] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: in the sense of creating multiple versions of a file
[00:23] <BUGabundo> and let btrfs doing it magic
[00:23] <Daekdroom> I think the problem is the SSD itself. Doesn't TRIM make the drive to "hold" data before writing it down?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> of allowing me to revert ot
[00:23] <BUGabundo> *it
[00:24] <bjsnider> i think there's  apckage called btrfs-tools or something
[00:24] <bjsnider> lets you go back to a previous snapshot
[00:24] <BUGabundo> cool
[00:24] <BUGabundo> cli or nautilus integration?
[00:24] <bjsnider> i never would have guessed 2 years ago that linux users would be using btrfs before apple users would be using zfs
[00:25] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.19+20100601-3
[00:25] <bjsnider> but the latter isn't going to happen at all
[00:25] <BUGabundo> No manual entry for btrfs-tools
[00:25] <coz_> hey guys  ..out of curiosity...if I replace a sound  under /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo with the same name... do I have to restart some service to get it working?
[00:30] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo: TRIM is about telling the SSD what data it *can* clobber, not about keeping more data.
[00:31] <BUGabundo> I know
[00:33] <BUGabundo> it was a long nite! gonna sleep... plenty more for tomorrow
[00:37] <smallfoot-> maverick installs java by default, is this fault of openoffice? lucid didnt install java by default
[01:23] <DanaG> heh, I made the mistake of having my backups exclude *cache* and *Cache*.
[01:23] <DanaG> Broke all sorts of stuff.
[02:28] <aboSamoor> Hi, I can not connect to IRC using empathy or xchat, any idea ? it keeps saying "connecting" in empathy, while in xchat it says "looking up hostname"
[03:01] <DanaG> Say, anyone know how to make an upstart job that starts ttyS2 only if "console=ttyS2" has been specified?
[03:25] <DanaG> Say, anyone know how to make an upstart job that starts ttyS2 only if "console=ttyS2" has been specified?  Wasn't that a goal for Maverick?
[06:07] <MarkDude> should the help screen have bunk characters?
[06:07] <MarkDude> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10527806/Unicode%20crap.png
[06:13] <Volkodav> add bookmark
[06:33] <vish> !sru
[07:01] <vish> !away | Andre_Gondim-afk
[10:02] <benste> hi, just took a look at the packages list for merkat, and saw that FF 4.0 is not included - as it's released after Ubuntu release. Will there be a dummy packaged like the "shirenko" package in previous Ubuntu versions ?
[10:03] <benste> btw. does so know the 4.0 codename ?
[10:11] <benste> someone here who knows more about ff ?
[11:36] <Machtin> is there any know bug that makes my system freeze frequently?
[13:40] <nocturn> Is Empathy 2.31.91 already available?  I can't find it in updates but my bugreport is marked as fix released in that version
[13:42] <Ian_corne> nocturn: maverick?
[13:42] <Ian_corne> maybe it's not in the repo yet
[13:42] <nocturn> yes
[13:43] <nocturn> Ok, will use irssi for the next couple of days than
[13:43] <Ian_corne> shouldn't even take that long
[13:43] <nocturn> It was marked as released on 23 august
[15:17] <sdk> Heyas all.  Is anyone else experiencing problems with runaway automake?  I mean like, once it starts, it consumes all ram almost instantly, then fills swap in about another 10 seconds.  Ever after I ctrl+c the command in term, I still have to specifically kill -9 the automake process.  Ubuntu 10.10, updated everything last night.
[15:25] <mikebeecham> i get the impression that this room doesn't get used a lot
[15:26] <gnomefreak> mikebeecham: you would be wrong
[15:26] <gnomefreak> there are times where it is slow like any other room
[15:26] <mikebeecham> ahhh...I'm just looking at my xchat log over the last 24 hours and there's really nothing been said
[15:26] <mikebeecham> :D
[15:27] <mikebeecham> sure, I appreciate that
[15:38] <patdk-wk> it's like most channels :)
[15:38] <patdk-wk> very busy some days, very dead others
[15:38] <Daekdroom> ooo reading the topic just answers what I was about to ask.
[15:41] <mikebeecham> ubuntu-artwork is always quiet
[15:51] <DrHalan> still broken nautilusß
[15:52] <Daekdroom> DrHalan, what's broken?
[15:52] <DrHalan> well since i've tested maverick there always was a memory leak in nautilus
[15:52] <Daekdroom> There's a bug filed in Launchpad against nautilus
[15:52] <Daekdroom> It's not only maverick
[15:52] <Daekdroom> Jaunty and karmic as well, I believe.
[15:52] <DrHalan> yeah i guessed so
[15:54] <Daekdroom> so, does anyone else currently have broken radeon driver?
[15:55] <DrHalan> works fine on my latop downstairs
[15:55] <DrHalan> you mean the open source ones right?
[15:55] <Daekdroom> X suddenly restarts when I use OpenGL 2d accel through Wine.
[15:55] <Daekdroom> yeah, opensource ones, r300
[15:56] <DrHalan> mh r300 is a pretty recent one right? my latop is about 3 years old
[15:56] <Daekdroom> Xv rendering works fine, it's just wine...
[16:16] <anger78> hi there! It seems i have a problem downloading the package information frome some sources, why does it tell me Ign http://xyz?  http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398813/
[16:59] <anger78> hi there! It seems i have a problem downloading the package information frome some sources, why does it tell me Ign http://xyz?  http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398813/
[17:00] <Pici> anger78: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file? You have a number of odd items in that paste you've provided.
[17:03] <anger78> @pici:http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398814/
[17:04] <anger78> @pici: this is additional in the sources.list.d folder:
[17:04] <anger78> root@daniel-desktop-ubu:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat ubuntu-x-swat-x-updates-maverick.list
[17:04] <anger78> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu maverick main
[17:04] <anger78> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu maverick main
[17:08] <Pici> anger78: Its normal for it to ignore the ones that it is ignoring.  You may want to be careful using lucid medibuntu in maverick though.
[17:08] <dart> I cant get twitter on gwibber working...it won't show any updates and timeline....using macerivk daily build
[17:08] <dart> maverick*
[17:09] <anger78> pici: the main-problem is that i cant install something from x-swat
[17:09] <Pici> anger78: What are you trying to install?
[17:10] <anger78> pici: the fglrx package from them, the normal one wont install, also the 10.7 from the ati site
[17:40]  * [4-tea-2] starts lurking for comments about YouTube or ATI video drivers.
[17:40] <sdk> has anyone  heard about a bug in automake consuming all RAM and page volume in a matter of seconds?
[17:43] <sdk> Daekdroom: What's up with the Radeon driver?  WFM, currently, but I've not upgraded since last night...  Only problem I'm having with X is that the xserver crashes on me when I run openGL screen savers or run xrandr while running Cairo OpenGL dock.
[17:50] <Daekdroom> sdk, I'm having xserver crashes on me when running a specific Wine app that requires 2D OpenGL accel
[17:50] <Daekdroom> Xorg.0.log gives me a backtrace.
[17:51] <Daekdroom> The bug, unfortunately, happens with both Ubuntu and xorg-edgers (which has pretty much all patches the ubuntu x.org has)...
[17:52] <Daekdroom> sdk, and the OpenGL screenserver issue should have been fixed by now
[19:24] <soee> was there any update today? suddenly iv lost my sound, i had to reinstal nvidia drivers :/
[19:25] <Pici> Theres a message in the topic regarding X issues.
[19:25] <Ian_corne> There's updates daily..
[19:26] <soee> oh i see, any idea what can be wrong with sound ?
[19:28] <Ian_corne> check pavucontrol that it's not just muted
[19:28] <soee> no its not i think i just check all settings
[19:32] <IdleOne> I get at least 2 updates per day
[19:56] <Andre_Gondim> my rhymthbox doesn't go to systray
[20:18] <Raphi974> Hi everyone
[20:19] <Raphi974> _Q_ : I have UNR and the global menu works great on Netbook Sessions. But i'd rather use the desktop session. Is it possible to get the global menu ?
[20:32] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:33] <BUGabundo> how is 3d support in the current nouveua?
[20:34] <oneguynick> I have searched the forums and google and can't find what support exists for 10.10 and gma500/poulsbo
[20:34] <kblin> hi folks
[20:34] <oneguynick> can anyone offer some insight?
[20:35] <kblin> I'm trying to use user_xattrs on btrfs on a 10.10 VM, but "mount -o remount,user_xattr -t btrfs /dev/sda2 /" returns an error
[20:35] <BUGabundo> oneguynick: last cycle it was VERY bad
[20:36] <BUGabundo> in the mean time seem some support has appeard
[20:36] <oneguynick> BUGabundo: every cycle since 8.04 has been very bad :) I guess the question is does it work outside of VESA mode?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> there as no pousbo back on 8.x cycle :S
[20:36] <BUGabundo> kblin: let me know your findings! I put a SSD in this laptop yesterday and have yet to tune it up
[20:37] <oneguynick> BUGabundo: Dell shipped and only supports UNR on 8.04
[20:38] <oneguynick> So with all that said has someone tested 10.10 on poulsbo?
[20:38] <kblin> BUGabundo: dunno, so far it looks like it's still not really working
[20:39] <BUGabundo> kblin: if you are talking to me, it means my ssd is working :P
[20:40] <kblin> BUGabundo: true. tried to fsck already?
[20:41] <BUGabundo> NOOOOOOOOOO
[20:41] <BUGabundo> I'm even afraid to do *anything*
[20:41] <kblin> I've had to boot from CD to fix my fstab because I dared add xattr
[20:41] <kblin> I'm wondering what package to report a bug against for that
[20:42] <BUGabundo> its so hard to find good, precise, intel on SSD , btrfs and maverick :(
[20:42] <BUGabundo> at least it work OFTB
[20:43] <kblin> 10.04 btrfs support seems worse
[20:43] <kblin> and I need btrfs + xattr to test what I actually want to test
[20:45] <BUGabundo> kblin:  you know support only came in 2.6.35
[20:46] <kblin> yeah, and I see we're at 2.6.35-18 already
[20:46] <kblin> I also need 2.6.34+ for ceph-fs
[20:46] <kblin> which is what I actually want to play with
[20:46] <kblin> but that needs btrfs + xattrs as a base
[20:47] <BUGabundo> we are?
[20:47] <BUGabundo> im at 17
[20:47] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:47] <BUGabundo> you better get a RC kernel then, from ubuntu kernel team PPA
[20:47] <kblin> sure, and get even less support :)
[20:48] <kblin> but good point, I'll try that
[20:52] <BUGabundo> its always a change
[20:52] <BUGabundo> if it doesn't work, boot to stock
[20:53] <BUGabundo> and kernel team usually reacts to probs very fast
[21:02] <yofel> actually -19 is out ^^
[21:02] <yofel> and 3D in nouveau: had it working somewhat once with xserver 1.7, 1.9 gives me 2D only
[21:03] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[21:03] <BUGabundo> let the mayhem begin
[21:03] <yofel> heh
[21:08] <BUGabundo> hoy this nouveau 3D is FAST
[21:16] <yofel> BUGabundo: so installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental is enough?
[21:16] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:16] <BUGabundo> and removing blob
[21:16] <BUGabundo> I was expecting my boot time to go back to 13 secs
[21:16] <yofel> right, I'll try it then after updates finished installing
[21:16] <BUGabundo> but it didn't drop a 1 sec :(
[21:27] <BUGabundo> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[21:27] <BUGabundo> for anyone wanting to see the diff of SSD and rotatory disks :P
[21:36] <patdk-wk> heh, for me boot times went from 65sec to 28sec
[21:36] <patdk-wk> but then the computer only has sata1, I bet it would be down to the 15sec range on sata2
[21:49] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo , ltns
[21:49] <BUGabundo> hey hey
[21:50] <Daekdroom> Anyone else can check if bug 617201 is still ocurring?
[21:50] <Daekdroom> I believe it's not fixed
[21:51] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom:  it's still happening ...i have that driver too :(
[21:52] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, kk, I'll add a comment confirming it still ocurs on both Ubuntu maverick xorg and xorg-edgers packages
[21:53] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom:  it's still happening on lucid as well
[21:53] <yofel> Daekdroom: you could go to #ubuntu-x and ping raof, he's the one that closed the bug
[21:53] <Daekdroom> yofel, I know, but he's been told about it on #radeon and haven't answered yet
[21:53] <Daekdroom> So I'm just going to comment and wait for him to check for his email
[21:54] <RickiiBETA> hey all, can anyone help me with dual monitors]
[21:54] <yofel> RickiiBETA: graphic card/driver ?
[21:55] <RickiiBETA> GeForce 9800gtx I think
[21:55] <BluesKaj> well, I'm not expecting much more support for this old pc , a new graphics card is probly in it's future and it'll be nvidia
[21:56] <yofel> RickiiBETA: tried with nvidia-settings ?
[21:56] <BUGabundo> where's the startup stuff now?!
[21:56] <BUGabundo> nothing in RC
[21:56] <RickiiBETA> looking
[21:56] <yofel> BUGabundo: upstart is in /etc/init/
[21:56] <BUGabundo> so I just edit the confs?
[21:57] <yofel> right
[21:57] <BUGabundo> and try to guess what's starting?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I miss S and Ks :(
[21:57] <yofel> me too :(
[21:57] <yofel> you can add --verbose or --debug to the kernel line to make upstart talkative I think
[21:58] <BUGabundo> no idea how to stop ssh .conf
[21:58] <BUGabundo> start on filesystem
[21:58] <BUGabundo> stop on runlevel [!2345]
[21:58] <bjsnider> i'm sure there will be a gui config for upstart before the next lts release
[21:58] <yofel> BUGabundo: comment the start on out
[21:58] <RickiiBETA> Got it, tnx
[21:58] <BUGabundo> ugly hack
[21:58] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:58] <BUGabundo> need to kill *everything* from my boot
[21:58] <BUGabundo> wanna be on 10 sec boot
[21:59] <BUGabundo> no idea how watson did the 5 secs boots
[21:59]  * yofel is amazed how BUGabundo can boot without init
[21:59] <yofel> :P
[21:59] <bjsnider> and you're going to wipe out everything that stand in the way of that goal
[21:59] <BUGabundo> no
[21:59] <BUGabundo> just took ssh so far
[21:59] <BUGabundo> any advice ?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[21:59] <BUGabundo> see the last one
[22:00] <bjsnider> you created a whole site for your own bootcharts?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> no
[22:00] <BUGabundo> its a gallery
[22:00] <bjsnider> boot speed seems to be very important to you
[22:00] <BUGabundo> I have dropbox to it
[22:00] <BUGabundo> so I just copy pngs and it uploads
[22:00] <bjsnider> very, very important
[22:00] <BUGabundo> and yes, that has all my bootcharts from ~4 years
[22:00] <BUGabundo> two laptops
[22:00] <BUGabundo> and now ssd
[22:00] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I reboot 2, 3 times a day
[22:01] <BUGabundo> plus I want to tune my ssd to their best performance
[22:01] <BUGabundo> if there's stuff that ubuntu installs just for the casual user and that I don't need it , why not take it
[22:01] <BUGabundo> I usually disable Bluetooth
[22:01] <BUGabundo> I never ever use it
[22:02] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: so its not speed that matters
[22:02] <patdk-wk> I wish I could get bluetooth to be disabled on boot, it just doesn't work anymore
[22:02] <BUGabundo> but getting the most out of it, by learning where to shave
[22:03] <BUGabundo> you can
[22:03]  * yofel reboots with noveau
[22:03] <patdk-wk> but still have it, so I can enable it for the rare times I use it
[22:03] <BUGabundo> run this:
[22:03] <BUGabundo> sudo echo "options rfkill master_switch_mode=0" > /etc/modprobe.d/rfkill.conf
[22:03] <BUGabundo> this will stop bluetooth being activated during boot.
[22:03] <BUGabundo> See: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linu...cpi.devel/1955 (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.acpi.ibm-acpi.devel/1955)
[22:04] <patdk-wk> nice
[22:04] <BUGabundo> :D
[22:06] <patdk-wk> I just figure that is atleast .25watts of wasted power :)
[22:06] <jjcm> BUGabundo: You would be in here.
[22:06] <jjcm> BUGabundo: Go back to #cyanogenmod
[22:06] <BUGabundo> at least the the startup inits are easy to read
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I'm everywhere dude
[22:06] <BUGabundo> now let me make this nicer
[22:07] <BUGabundo> # / was on /dev/sda5 during installation
[22:07] <BUGabundo> UUID=42a39eb7-f3a7-4f7c-8c66-121f36685048 /               btrfs   defaults        0       1
[22:07] <BUGabundo> # /boot was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[22:07] <BUGabundo> UUID=90f159fd-322f-4663-aa04-188ef8c937a6 /boot           ext4    defaults        0       2
[22:07] <RickiiBETA> Back, I got an Error when I tried to save monitor settings: Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:08] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you using the btrfs optimization for ssd?
[22:08] <patdk-wk> heh, doesn't mounting /boot take to long, remove it, it's not needed unless you upgrade kernels :)
[22:08] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: trying to get there
[22:08] <BUGabundo> no idea how
[22:08] <BUGabundo> hence me asking
[22:08] <BUGabundo> Pat good! let me do it
[22:08]  * BUGabundo deletes
[22:09] <kklimonda> hey ho!
[22:09] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda
[22:09] <BUGabundo> you know anything about ssds and btrfs?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:09] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: nope
[22:09] <BUGabundo> trying to tune mine
[22:09] <BUGabundo> not even google helps here
[22:10] <yofel> hm, nouveau 2D is certainly nice except for the icon rendering issues, but kwin effects seem actually slower than with nvidia current o.O
[22:10] <BUGabundo> yofel: I do see some artifacts
[22:10] <yofel> BUGabundo: afaik there's a 'ssd' mount option, but that's all I know
[22:10] <BUGabundo> but very very little so doesn't bother me
[22:11] <yofel> well, didn't crash yet so I'll try it for a while
[22:12] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, There are some optimizations for SSD drives, and you can enable them by mounting with -o ssd
[22:14] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: instead of defaults ?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> or after?
[22:14] <bjsnider> after what?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> UUID=42a39eb7-f3a7-4f7c-8c66-121f36685048 /               btrfs   defaults,ssd        0       1
[22:15] <BUGabundo> is that it ?
[22:15] <bjsnider> could be
[22:15] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:15] <bjsnider> if so, then it's already optimized
[22:15] <bjsnider> no need to do anything else
[22:16] <patdk-wk> I can't seem to notice a difference ading the ssd option
[22:16] <BUGabundo> http://thermal.cnde.iastate.edu/~sdh4/verynice/
[22:16] <patdk-wk> I think that only modifies write performance, than read
[22:16] <BUGabundo> we got this?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> doing a quick test on btrfs
[22:17] <BUGabundo> and suspend to ram with nouvuae
[22:17] <BUGabundo> wish me luck
[22:18] <soee> ok nothing help to make my speekers work, my usb headset works oks - i have sound but not on 5.1 speakers any idea how can i fix this ?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> back
[22:19] <BUGabundo> wifi takes a while to reconnect
[22:19] <BUGabundo> but hey, works fine D
[22:19]  * BUGabundo is happy
[22:19] <BUGabundo> need to get the right value for screen bright ... its burning my eyes
[22:21] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:21] <BUGabundo> I wonder how safe is btrfsck
[22:21] <BUGabundo> let me try it
[22:22] <BUGabundo> nobarrier - Do not use device barriers. NOTE: Using this option greatly increases the chances of you experiencing data corruption during a power failure situation. This means full file-system corruption, and not just loosing or corrupting data that was being written during a power cut or kernel panic
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I'm crazy enough to test that :D
[22:22] <BUGabundo> ssd - Turn on some of the SSD optimized behaviour within btrfs.
[22:23] <yofel> BUGabundo: if nothing has changed in the last month, then btrfsck can only be used offline (unmounted)
[22:23] <BUGabundo> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Btrfsck  lovelly page
[22:23] <BUGabundo> yeah I know :(
[22:23] <BUGabundo> but since its all my /
[22:23] <BUGabundo> I can't umount it
[22:23] <BUGabundo> will have to wait for online file checker
[22:24] <patdk-wk> heh, I can only get mine down to 11s
[22:24] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:24] <patdk-wk> with a peek read speed of 572MB/s
[22:24] <BUGabundo> rebooting for NO BARRIER
[22:24] <BUGabundo> WOW
[22:24] <patdk-wk> disk usage for only 2seconds
[22:24] <patdk-wk> cpu usage solid for 8sec
[22:24] <patdk-wk> on a E8600 desktop
[22:25] <patdk-wk> dual core 3.33ghz
[22:25] <BUGabundo> t8300
[22:25] <BUGabundo> 2.4ghz mobile
[22:25] <BUGabundo> its a 2,5 yo laptop
[22:25] <patdk-wk> ya, I should have more cache
[22:25] <patdk-wk> 1year old desktop
[22:25] <BUGabundo> reboot
[22:25] <BUGabundo> wish me luck
[22:26] <nagappan> any clues why this happens with Nvidia current driver in Ubuntu 10.10 ?
[22:26] <nagappan> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/483637/
[22:26] <nagappan> any work around for this ?
[22:27] <bjsnider> yes, you put ignoreabi in the xorg.conf file
[22:27] <bjsnider> the solution is in the bug in question
[22:27] <bjsnider> don't have the number handy
[22:27] <bjsnider> yofel does
[22:27] <BUGabundo> wow
[22:28] <nagappan> bjsnider, ok, let me search how to add the entry in xorg.conf, thanks :-)
[22:28] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:28] <BUGabundo> patdk-wk: its show *exaclty* the same boot time
[22:28] <BUGabundo> pffffff
[22:28] <BUGabundo> 251MBs peak
[22:28] <patdk-wk> ssd option?
[22:28] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:28] <BUGabundo> and no barrier
[22:28] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:28] <patdk-wk> ya, that should only affect writes :)
[22:28]  * BUGabundo re-enables for safety
[22:29] <BUGabundo> mobprob and X are killing me here
[22:29] <BUGabundo> X is 2 seconds
[22:29] <yofel> bug 616023
[22:29] <BUGabundo> modprob 8
[22:29] <yofel> nagappan: ^
[22:29] <patdk-wk> how many things is it modprobing that you don't need?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> need to lower ureadahead time
[22:30] <patdk-wk> kill all iptables stuff?
[22:30] <bjsnider> thank you yofel
[22:30] <yofel> np :P
[22:30] <BUGabundo> what iptables?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> there's nothing there
[22:30] <patdk-wk> didn't know if you had ufw running
[22:31] <patdk-wk> actually, ureadahead is killing me, it thinks it's a rotational disk
[22:32] <BUGabundo> I guess I do
[22:32] <BUGabundo> but no rules
[22:32] <patdk-wk> check with lsmod
[22:32] <patdk-wk> any iptables stuff?
[22:32] <BUGabundo> # Forks into the background both when reading from disk and when profiling
[22:32] <BUGabundo> # (HDD mode won't fork, but that's ok because we'll wait for it in spawned).
[22:32] <BUGabundo> expect fork
[22:32] <BUGabundo> # When profiling, give it three minutes after sending SIGTERM to write out
[22:32] <BUGabundo> # the pack file.
[22:32] <BUGabundo> kill timeout 180
[22:33] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:33] <BUGabundo> how crazy would it be, to take it from startup ?
[22:33] <patdk-wk> how can I force it to fork?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> wasn't there a better read ahead?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> like sread?
[22:34] <patdk-wk> ya, ureadahead
[22:34] <BUGabundo> in a ppa or something
[22:34] <patdk-wk> intel made sreadahead
[22:34] <BUGabundo> we need colin
[22:34] <patdk-wk> many people had issues with it, why they made ureadahead
[22:34] <BUGabundo> anyone can ping him  here?
[22:38] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: you can as well disable it - ureadahead won't do anything good if you fork it on hdd powered system
[22:38] <patdk-wk> but on an ssd?
[22:38] <patdk-wk> and it isn't forking?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: the question is: can we disable it ?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> yes? what do we not gain ?
[22:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: sure - just rename /etc/init/ureadahead.conf to /etc/init/ureadahead.conf.disabled
[22:39] <kklimonda> same with ureadahead-other.conf
[22:39] <BUGabundo> or comment the start
[22:40] <kklimonda> it may work too
[22:40] <nagappan> yofel, thanks sharing the bug number, let me subscribe myself
[22:40] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it doesn't for for you on ssd? have you reported it?
[22:40] <patdk-wk> oh heh, BUGabundo, on mine I killed plymouth :)
[22:40] <BUGabundo> ahaaha
[22:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[22:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: why so small?
[22:41] <patdk-wk> damn, killed ureadahead, cut down a good second or maybe more
[22:42] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: click, them click on the right side
[22:42] <BUGabundo> full size png
[22:43] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: why can't you just dump them into folder like all sane people do? ;)
[22:45] <kklimonda> Some cheap/old SSDs fail to report their non rotational nature to the kernel. This results in ureadahead treating them as a rotational disk, which can actually cause slower boot times than not using ureadahead at all. ;)
[22:45] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: what does cat /sys/block/sda/queue/rotational return?
[22:45] <patdk-wk> in my cause, it's cause it's a vm, and the vm shows it as a rotational disk, instead of ssd
[22:46] <BUGabundo> 0
[22:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: hmm.. a bug in ureadahead then? it should just fork as expected
[22:47] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:47] <BUGabundo> let me turn it off and test
[22:47] <vish> BUGabundo:  https://edge.launchpad.net/~kang-bundo  fan of yours ?  ;)
[22:47] <BUGabundo> AHAH
[22:48] <patdk-wk> apt-get remove .*ubuntuone.* saved me .5sec
[22:48] <BUGabundo> oohhh
[22:48] <BUGabundo> forgot that
[22:48]  * BUGabundo purges
[22:50] <vish> ubuntuone is turning out to be one of those complementary antivirus which come pre-installed with windows !  one of the things to be done[removed] after an install :D
[22:50] <kklimonda> interesting, I'm actually finding it useful
[22:51] <kklimonda> guess in in the minority
[22:52] <duffydack> U1 is kind of nice.  serving files up at a mouse click, giving me a backup to my other real backups.
[22:52] <BUGabundo> I use dropbox
[22:52] <duffydack> music purchasing...
[22:52] <duffydack> I prefer U1.. set any folder I like..
[22:52] <duffydack> I have deja vu.. again. ugh.
[22:52] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: dropbox is just a file syncing - I like the possibilities of app syncing with couchdb
[22:53] <duffydack> contact syncs..mobile etc
[22:53] <BUGabundo> duffydack: symlinks
[22:53] <duffydack> BUGabundo,  U1
[22:53] <kklimonda> I'm actually writing myself a rss reader that uses couchdb so I can keep my news synced bytween phone and computers
[22:53]  * yofel would like to use U1, but apachelogger is still fighting with the libraries for the KDE client :(
[22:54] <duffydack> when I have a reason to use dropbox instead, I guess I will..
[22:54] <BUGabundo> I use it to sync 4 PCs and my android D:
[22:54] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: symlinks are really primitive way of getting a realy sync capabilieties in applications
[22:54] <BUGabundo> beat that :PPPP
[22:54] <BUGabundo> plus it sync my ourdoings galleries too
[22:54] <BUGabundo> like the one of those bootcharts
[22:54] <BUGabundo> but hey, use what ever you like
[22:54] <BUGabundo> I like dropbox
[22:54] <BUGabundo> it _just_ works
[22:55] <BUGabundo> (other then the half missing applet)
[22:55] <patdk-wk> heh, symlinks to autofs on some of my stuff
[22:55] <duffydack> far as I can see, u1 just works too
[22:56] <duffydack> the autopublish script is decent too
[22:57] <BUGabundo> and reboot to test no uread
[22:57] <BUGabundo> brb
[22:57] <BUGabundo> I hope
[22:59] <BUGabundo> back
[23:00] <BUGabundo> -2 sec
[23:00] <BUGabundo> nope. not getting there
[23:00] <Daekdroom> Why have such fast boot?
[23:01] <BUGabundo> humm why is plymouth running
[23:01] <BUGabundo> if I disabled it ?
[23:01] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:01] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: you lied to me!
[23:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: what does plymout have to do with ureadahead? ;/
[23:03] <BUGabundo> nothing
[23:03] <BUGabundo> but I disabled it too
[23:03] <BUGabundo> and its starting
[23:04] <kklimonda> what does initctl list|grep plymouth return?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> plymouth-stop start/running
[23:05] <kklimonda> hmm, maybe something else is launching plymouth then
[23:06] <BUGabundo> well lets leave boot for another day
[23:06] <BUGabundo> now I need to get the most out of btrfs tools
[23:06] <BUGabundo> what are they?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> what can I do with the FS?
[23:06] <patdk-wk> I just can't break <10.5seconds
[23:06] <BUGabundo> are there any high level apps ready to use the snapshot and versioning features?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> patdk-wk: stop mocking me
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I'm at 20
[23:07] <BUGabundo> I had 13 before
[23:07] <kklimonda> nope
[23:10] <vish> hmm , what's going on here!
[23:10] <vish> are we clocking boottime today? :)
[23:11] <patdk-wk> http://まねし.jp/gallery/v/Users/sysadm/lucid-test-maverick-20100825-15.png.html
[23:11] <BUGabundo> ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
[23:12] <BUGabundo> 404
[23:12] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:12] <BUGabundo> 404 MBs
[23:12] <patdk-wk> http://maneshi.com/gallery/v/Users/sysadm/lucid-test-maverick-20100825-15.png.html
[23:12] <BUGabundo> I need a faster machine and a faster ssd
[23:12] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:12] <BUGabundo> still 404 MB/s
[23:13] <patdk-wk> oh heh
[23:13] <patdk-wk> I though you meant http 404 :)
[23:13] <patdk-wk> on one boot it spiked into 700's
[23:14] <patdk-wk> my laptop isn't this good though, only 150mb's cause of sata1 only, wish the t61 had sata2
[23:14] <patdk-wk> hmm, I wonder if all that cpu usage is from using the btrfs compress option :)
[23:31] <BUGabundo> didn't I already got a new kernel today?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> another now ?
[23:32] <Daekdroom> That's what you get for using a version in development :O
[23:33] <patdk-wk> what verion you on?
[23:33] <patdk-wk> I only saw -18
[23:34] <BUGabundo> -19
[23:34] <patdk-wk> does it increase boot speed? :)
[23:34] <BUGabundo> LOL


[14:49] <TJ-> Could be investigate a backport/SRU of xfce4-settings to address Bug #1615286  ? This has a fix we've just confirmed (tomreyn and myself). It's either bring in the changes from Artful or investigate how feasible an 18.04>16.04 backport is (2 major dependency bumps)