[09:19] <homercycles> I updated my sources.list, did a sudo apt-get update and upgrade, but it still says nothing to be upgraded, etc... Here's my (working?) pastebin of the output:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47933/
[09:19] <SatManUK> which volume is adjusted by clicking on the speaker and moving the volume up and down?
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> hellonull: i've not used kde4 yet
[09:20] <SatManUK> i can't kde4 to load..
[09:20] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: thats fine if there are no updates
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: could try sudo apt-get distupgrade
[09:21] <homercycles> that sounds scarey
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: do you have sound at any level?
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: it just updates all your packages but it appears you have all the latest updates
[09:22] <homercycles> somebody said previously that packages were update since the 7.10 ISO release (which I just installed). Seems strange that there are no packages to be updated
[09:22] <ardchoille> homercycles: There's no harm in sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:23] <apparle> ActionParsnip: i have ATI fglrx drivers will it make any diffrence
[09:23] <homercycles> dist-upgrade says 0 for all things, too
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> apparle: difference to what?
[09:24] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: try adding some more repositories but if there are 0 updates you are ok
[09:25] <homercycles> is there a sudo apt-get thingy to install Firefox?
[09:25] <apparle> ActionParsnip: any diffrent package
[09:25] <homercycles> <IP_ADDRESS> that is
[09:25] <ardchoille> homercycles: you already have firefox, don't you?
[09:25] <homercycles> it's not on the default K Menu on this fresh install
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:26] <ardchoille> homercycles: What is the output of: lsb_release -a | grep -i release
[09:26]  * ardchoille is curious
[09:27] <homercycles> No LSB modules are available.
[09:27] <homercycles> Release:        7.10
[09:27] <ardchoille> homercycles: Weird
[09:27] <ActionParsnip> apparle: fire up adept and search for xlib
[09:27] <homercycles> I agree. very weird
[09:28] <SatManUK> ActionParsnip:  i have sound
[09:28] <ardchoille> homercycles: and the output of: apt-cache policy firefox | grep -i installed
[09:28] <SatManUK> if i open kmix i can adjust it that way - or i can adjust it through amarok or the playing application
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: ok cool, so the volume app doesnt change the level of volume
[09:28] <SatManUK> i just can't use the slider
[09:28] <apparle> ActionParsnip: I am a person without any connection with net at home
[09:28] <SatManUK> yes
[09:28] <homercycles> ardchoille:   Installed: (none)
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: which slider?
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: the one in the bottom right?
[09:29] <ardchoille> homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:29] <SatManUK> when i press the volume on the keyboard it says on screen Volume: 100% in blue and white box with grey background
[09:29] <apparle> bye
[09:29] <apparle> bye
[09:29] <homercycles> ardchoille: it's downloading 26.6MB now... hope it's <IP_ADDRESS> :-)
[09:29] <homercycles> bugger.. it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:30] <ardchoille> homercycles: Why on earth do you have a firefox menu item if it's not installed?
[09:30] <emilsedgh> SatManUK: right click on the mixer in tray and go to select master channel
[09:30] <homercycles> ardchoille: I don't have a Firefox menu item on the K Menu... but I would like one :-)
[09:30] <ardchoille> homercycles: my bad, I thought you had one
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> homercycles: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:31] <homercycles> ardchoille: you're forgiven. selflessly supporting newbs like me can't be all roses :-)
[09:31] <SatManUK> ok which to select PCM?
[09:31] <apparle> do I need a n ativirus I have dual boot with windows but without net connection
[09:31] <ardchoille> homercycles: lol
[09:31] <ardchoille> apparle: If yo have windows, you need anti-virus, IMHO
[09:31] <homercycles> lo and behold, I now have Firefox on the K menu, albeit a little out of date (it's better than no Firefox).
[09:31] <emilsedgh> SatManUK: open kmix window and see which works for you
[09:32] <apparle> what is IMHO
[09:32] <ardchoille> In My Honest Opinion
[09:32] <emilsedgh> apparle: not for your Kubuntu
[09:32] <emilsedgh> !virus | apparle
[09:32] <ubotu> apparle: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> is there a way to make kubuntu suspend
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> cuase i have a suspend key on my keyboard
[09:32] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: he has dual boot with windows
[09:32] <Jay-Oh-En> and i hate turning my computer off alot
[09:33] <SatManUK> in kmix both pcm and front adjust the sound
[09:33] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Is this a laptop?
[09:33] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: he needs a anti virus for his windows, not with linu
[09:33] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: no
[09:33] <emilsedgh> +x
[09:33] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: yes
[09:33] <SatManUK> but whichever i select it still sticks
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: so the slider doesnt move?
[09:33] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: I've never seen suspend on a desktop box
[09:34] <apparle> I have a nice one on Windows but should also install one on linux
[09:34] <SatManUK> i can move it with the mouse
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: well my keyboard has the button (then you obviously havent seen a viao)
[09:34] <SatManUK> but the up and down buttons on the keyboard freeze
[09:34] <neville__> AVG Free is the best one for Linux
[09:34] <neville__> Er
[09:34] <neville__> Windows**
[09:34] <neville__> -_-v
[09:34] <neville__> Sorry
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> neville__: amen to that brotha
[09:34] <apparle> neville__: what about avast free
[09:35] <Jay-Oh-En> apparle: that never worked for me
[09:35] <homercycles> Quick question, if I may. Can anybody recommend a good IM program that supports MSN protocol without SEGVing all the time like Kopete?
[09:35] <Tm_T> homercycles: Kopete works fine here
[09:35] <Jay-Oh-En> apparle: the reason i got away from windows is cause of the viruses and the restrictions
[09:35] <Tm_T> homercycles: can you provide any debug output?
[09:35] <apparle> bye
[09:35] <Tm_T> homercycles: install kdenetwork-dbg and then rerun Kopete from Konsole
[09:35] <homercycles> Tm_T: let me log into hotmail first to make sure it's not something sillly like wrong password
[09:36] <neville__> Haven't tried avast free, but I can give it a go next time I load my Windows vm =]
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: so you have configured your volume keyboard functions to change volume but if you change it with the mouse they become unfunctional? I'm trying to work this one out
[09:38] <SatManUK> no..
[09:38] <SatManUK> i just installed the system and it autodetected
[09:38] <homercycles> Tm_T: my pastebin now contains the crash from Kopete:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47935
[09:38] <SatManUK> when i press the volume on the keyboard on screen it reports whatever level the speaker volume is in the system tray
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: ok
[09:39] <SatManUK> but when i try to change it with the keyboard it sticks
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> what sticks?
[09:39] <SatManUK> if i change it with the mouse its fine
[09:39] <SatManUK> the volume level
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: sorry im slow. bit of a cold
[09:39] <SatManUK> it says 100% - it won't go below 89%
[09:39] <SatManUK> its ok :)
[09:39] <SatManUK> if its at 0 - it won't go above 11%
[09:40] <Jay-Oh-En> can somebody help me get my box to suspend
[09:40] <Tm_T> homercycles: 1135.50 < Tm_T> homercycles: install kdenetwork-dbg and then rerun Kopete from Konsole
[09:41] <SatManUK> i don't even know which volume the keyboard is changing it seems its neither pcm or front
[09:41] <homercycles> Tm_T: apt-get says I need to download 81.8MB of dependent packages first.... it'll be a while :-)
[09:41] <Tm_T> homercycles: aye
[09:42] <homercycles> is there a KDE-specific channel where I can ask my pedantic little GUI questions?
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: you are not alone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/118723
[09:44] <Tm_T> homercycles: #kde ?
[09:44] <homercycles> silly me :-) thanks (been a while since I IRC'd)
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10258905/kmilo_3.5.8-0ubuntu1_i386.deb seems to make it work if you scroll toward the bottom
[09:47] <munhoe> hi folks, i installed the kde4 rc2 packages before i installed the rest of the updates (EEK).  it's now giving some errors installing kdebase-runtime-bin.  any idea how i can fix this?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> munhoe: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade might help (not sure)
[09:48] <Stevethepirate> !socks
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about socks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <emilsedgh> !brokenkde4 | munhoe
[09:48] <ubotu> munhoe: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[09:49] <SatManUK> im trying that now
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: its a file some dude made so its not garunteed :(
[09:50] <SatManUK> wierd thing is i have to patch this pc - but the one i was working on yesterday doesn't need no path ..
[09:50] <SatManUK> strange..
[09:50] <munhoe> ActionParsnip: nopes, that didn't help.
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: are they the same make / model?
[09:50] <SatManUK> ok - lets try it..
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> munhoe: not sure then, sorry
[09:50] <SatManUK> my connection sucks - downloading at 1.4k/s
[09:50] <munhoe> emilsedgh: it still says unmet dependencies :(
[09:51] <emilsedgh> munhoe: dunno then :(
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> munhoe: you could check the deps and apt them in manually
[09:51] <munhoe> ActionParsnip: oohh.... cool.  lemme try
[09:53] <SatManUK> reinstalling kmilio as we speak
[09:53] <SatManUK> this must be some big changes - md hd light is on solid
[09:53] <mike> Hello all anyone able to help me with ndiswrapper,installed .inf etc ok but "access point" cannot be found?
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> mike: did you modprobe ndiswrapper
[09:54] <mike> yes
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: weird stuff, hope it works
[09:54] <Jay-Oh-En> hey can somebody answer this question? when my computer is locked is it not using as much power as it would when it would be regularly on
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> mike: what do yo get from ifconfig
[09:55] <Stevethepirate> Hi.. I need a DC++ hub/server... for (k)ubuntu
[09:55] <mike> ActionParsnip: can see wlano
[09:55] <SatManUK> i got as far as installing package 0%..
[09:55] <SatManUK> ah 100%
[09:55] <munhoe> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47938/
[09:55] <SatManUK> no joy
[09:55] <munhoe> ActionParsnip: it's trying to overwrite an existing stuff.
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> !valknut
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about valknut - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <Stevethepirate> ActionParsnip: thats a client.
[09:56] <Stevethepirate> I need a server/hub.
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> Stevethepirate: let me google
[09:57] <SatManUK> im trying the kmilo version from hardy its supposed to work
[09:58] <mike> ActionParsnip: problem,,
[09:58] <mike> root@mike-laptop:~# iwlist wlan0 scan
[09:58] <mike> wlan0     No scan results
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> mike: you on a laptop?
[09:59] <mike> yes
[09:59] <mike> had it working
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> !YnHub | Stevethepirate
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ynhub - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> mike: is the little switch to turn the wifi on/off in the on position?
[10:00] <homercycles> Does anybody know how to change the default sound card in Kubuntu 7.10? I have an onboard and an SBLive and I need the SBLive to be the default
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> Stevethepirate: check ynhub
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> mike: why are you running stuff as root?
[10:01] <mike> ActionParsnip: yes i had wifi working but not on reboot
[10:01] <mike> oh #not needed?
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> mike no not really
[10:02] <mike> install as user?
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> mike: if the card is present you dont need root privs
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> mike: you could edit /etc/network/interfaces as root and manually enter your wlan info
[10:03] <SatManUK> is it possible to use keytouch or i forgot the application name insteald of kmilo?
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: not sure man, You'll have to have a google
[10:04] <mike> ActionParsnip: ok not sure what to enter ,,no wep etc ,,just dhcp
[10:05] <SatManUK> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283546
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> mike: auto wlan0 <new line> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> mike: you'll then need sudo ifdown wlan0
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> mike: then ifup wlan0
[10:09] <SatManUK> how to disable kmilo in favour of keytouch - there is nothing in kcontrol about it
[10:10] <homercycles> when I try to run "sudo asoundconf set-default-card Live" to change my default sound card (I did a Google search on it) and just says that it may have unintended consequences and never asks me for my password, so I guess it's just not letting me run the command. What gives?
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> mike: you'll also have to add wireless-essid <your wireless SSID here>
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> mike: forgot that
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: you could uninstall kmilo (thats a guess)
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: you need kmilo installed too for it to work
[10:13] <waylandbill> homercycles: you know you can switch sound cards, by changing the device in the sound system in the system settings right?
[10:13] <kristina> hi, I just read that the kde4 rc2 live cd includes a konqueror+webkit preview, does this mean that kubuntu is going with webkit in the future?
[10:13] <SatManUK> so keytouch uses kmilo?
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: i think so, not sure
[10:13] <homercycles> system settings, sound system, I presume?
[10:13] <homercycles> it only allows me to change sound cards for MIDI
[10:13] <waylandbill> homercycles: right. under advanced.
[10:14] <waylandbill> excuse me.. hardware.
[10:14] <homercycles> only have general and hardware tabs for Sound System
[10:14] <waylandbill> look for "Override device location"
[10:14] <homercycles> I get choices of ALSA, Enlightenment Sound System, etc... they don't list Realtek HD Audio or Soundblaster Live
[10:14] <homercycles> there's a tick box and a text box, but I haven't got a clue what the /dev would be for the SBLive
[10:14] <waylandbill> the default is /dev/dsp. The second would be /dev/dsp1.
[10:15] <mikelapy> wlan is working,,many thanks :)
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> mikelapy: all good?
[10:16] <mikelapy> awsm :)
[10:16] <waylandbill> homercycles: I know that's not as simple as a one-click app, but it works just fine.
[10:16] <homercycles> change to /dev/dsp1 and it restarted the sound system. still no sound, though :-(
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> mikelapy: yeah sometimes the scan is weird. take control yourself :) (easier)
[10:16] <homercycles> strange thing is that I heard the KDE logon/logoff sounds first boot after install, then I accepted the offer to install ATI video drivers, rebooted, then sound didn't work :-(
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> mikelapy: use folks names too so we know who you are addressing :). You can use tab to autocomplete
[10:17] <mikelapy> ActionParsnip: agree,,making notes :)
[10:17] <waylandbill> ok. does kmix allow you to see the volume settings for that card?
[10:17] <mikelapy> ActionParsnip: oh ok
[10:18] <homercycles> HDA Intel is the default sound but it does let me choose and adjust sound for SBLive, but I can't hear anything
[10:19] <mikelapy> homercycles: I installed latest alsa drivers
[10:19] <homercycles> In Windows I have to tick the box that says "digital output only" because this SB Live sound card is "special" that sends digital output over the analog channel for my Boston speakers. I wonder if there's some option to enable digital for analog output?
[10:25] <SatManUK> ActionParsnip:  i purged kmilo - installed keytouch and all is good :)
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> SatManUK: brilliant :D
[10:26] <SatManUK> i need to configure keytouch to use amarok - its loading xmms but thats all..
[10:27] <xRaich[o]2x> hi. kwin-kde4 (kubuntu rc2) does not recognize when i'm issuing a ctrl+anykey or alt+anykey command. yesterday it worked. any ideas?
[10:27] <waylandbill> is there a way to make dual head monitors do one virtual desktop on one screen and another on the other?
[10:27] <homercycles> I just rebooted into Windows to confirm sound/speakers were working, then rebooted into Linux, no sound, chose Auto Detect and got rid of the /dev/dsp1 override, restarted sound system, and now the sound works.... Strange, but I guess I should be happy now
[10:28] <waylandbill> homercycles: good. at least it's working. :)
[10:28] <homercycles> waylandbill: sound was going to be my stumbling block in my escape from Windows... so I'm understandably please I can at least listen to music in Linux  :-)
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: does xev react when you press the keys?
[10:29] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: i can detach screens using strg+a+d so X does not seem to be the problem
[10:30] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: yes it reacts
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: is your keyboard in the right region?
[10:31] <david__> hi!!
[10:32] <david__> I need a little bit of help...
[10:32] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: yes
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: is it bound to a keyboard shortcut?
[10:32] <david__> I tried to install the RC2 of kde4 but it gives me an error
[10:33] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: where do i check that?
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79560&page=1
[10:34] <david__> have anyone succesfully installed the kde4 rc2 packages with no problem?
[10:34] <zeEez> Did anyone install the KDE4 RC2 packages ? kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 broke my software index :(
[10:35] <zeEez> david__: :)
[10:35] <david__> I'm having the same issue xDD
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-337669.html
[10:36] <SatManUK> i couldn't install rc1.. so i won't install rc2 just yet then..
[10:36] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: nope no bindings
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: hmmm. do some googling around. Thats all i could find. Does it work after a reboot?
[10:37] <Csigaa> hi
[10:39] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: i logged out and logged in again. and as i mentioned before it's just kwin. so rebooting wouldn
[10:39] <xRaich[o]2x> 't help
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: it may as your bios will redetect the keyboard
[10:40] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: but the keys work. it's just kwin that does not recognize them. i can use them on screen inside of kde4
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: strange
[10:41] <david__> I fixed the index but I interested in install those kde4 packages
[10:42] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: Thanks for the hint also it doesn't seem to apply in my case. There is no .postrm file for the offending package
[10:42] <xRaich[o]2x> xRaich[o]2x: i'm running irssi inside a kde4-konsole and i can detach it anytime i want.
[10:42] <xRaich[o]2x> woops that was to ActionParsnip
[10:42] <jussio1> hmmm, does anyone know the correct md5sum for the kde4 rc2 live cd advertised in /topic ??
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: not sure then. Very weird
[10:43] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: ok. i'll try the hard way. rm .kde* ^^
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: just rename it
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: then you can revert back
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: mv .kde .kde_old
[10:44] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: not needed. this computer is a kde4 playground ;)
[10:44] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: i won'T lose anything important
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: ok cool
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: what do you get when youtry update?
[10:46] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: hmm still doesn't work... but i have an idea
[10:47] <homercycles> Does anybody know how to tell the taskbar applet in the panel in Kubuntu to stop fading the text for each item? I've asked in #kde but they say this isn't standard KDE behaviour, so Kubuntu must have turned it on for some reason.
[10:49] <Tm_T> homercycles: what exactly you mean? do you have a pic?
[10:50] <homercycles> I'll take a pic when they fade and show you... they fade progressively the longer you haven't had focus on the application
[10:50]  * Tm_T never seen that I assume
[10:51] <Csigaa> homer: looking forward to the screenshot... I've never seen anything like that either
[10:52] <Csigaa> are you sure that ALL of them fade?
[10:52] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/ma713241
[10:52] <Csigaa> for example, amarok has a dynamic trayicon, which shows the progress in the current playing song
[10:53] <homercycles> most of them seem to fade, but recently-focused items are darker
[10:54] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: got it. i installed some of the old kde4*-data packages yesterday. after removing them it works again ^^
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: does sudo apt-get -f install do anything
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: sweet :D
[10:54] <Csigaa> homercycles: have you been recently messing with the KDE settings?
[10:54] <Csigaa> homercycles: or that was present from the beginning?
[10:55] <homercycles> Csigaa: nope... it was like that from the beginning.
[10:55] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: maybe someone should kick them out of the repo just to be safe ^^
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: blacklist :D
[10:56] <homercycles> OK. Here's the screenshot showing the faded taskbar applications:   http://www.marcfearby.com/snapshot1.png
[10:56] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: i'm not really familiar with the apt system ;) i really need a good resource how to work with it ;)
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: man apt ;)
[10:57] <Tm_T> homercycles: have you checked your settings twice?
[10:58] <homercycles> Tm_T: well, I can't find an option anywhere that says "fade taskbar icons" so I'd like to disable such a thing if I could find it, but there is no such option that I know of
[10:58] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: It returns the same output i posted..
[10:58] <Tm_T> homercycles: fiddle about other settings :)
[10:59] <homercycles> that sounds like a recipe for carpal tunnel syndrome if ever I've heard one :-)
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: ok
[10:59] <homercycles> there are quite a few settings that obviously having nothing to do with fading taskbar icons, so there's no point in toggling them
[11:00] <Csigaa> homercycles: I think this is default (the inactive elements show brighter). The "fading" can be an optical illusion due the gradient color of the kicker
[11:00] <homercycles> there is an option to fade applet handles, but not applications in the taskbar
[11:01] <Csigaa> set up a solid color or transparency for the panel
[11:01] <homercycles> Csigaa: it's no optical illusion. There are icons in my taskbar that have definitely faded and I find it difficult to read. I don't want to have to keep clicking on them to make them brighter all the time
[11:01] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: do you have a running okular?
[11:01] <homercycles> transparency makes it even harder to read
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: no its just how my trousers sit
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> !okular
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about okular - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: looks like a unified file viewer but i dont have it
[11:03] <david__> oh oh, I try to update but something bad happened
[11:04] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: jep it is. but i don't get it to work
[11:04] <david__> it says: Cannot find /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-rt-custom,
[11:04] <david__> when updating the initframs, but that kernel was removed long ago
[11:05] <_Csigaa> re... disconnect :/
[11:05] <david__> this happens when doing: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:06] <david__> how can I remove the opcion to update-initframs for that kernel which doesn't exist anymore?
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> david__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3928596
[11:07] <_Csigaa> david__: did you do apt-get remove --purge linux-image-$OLD_VERSION ?
[11:07] <david__> thank you!!  <ActionParsnip>
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> david__: any good?
[11:09] <david__> mmh, nope, same error...
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> david__: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:11] <david__> yep I did that, it's when I get that error
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> david__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/dpkg-configure-a-error-361965/
[11:12] <david__> It's related with the first link you posted more than this last one
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> david__: not sure then :(
[11:15] <david__> I solved it
[11:15] <david__> thank you, it was I had 2 entries in initframs and only removed one
[11:15] <david__> the solution in the first link
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> david__: awesome :D
[11:17] <david__> hahaha this stuff happen when I read so quickly :D
[11:17] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: I just removed it all. Downloading the live cd  now :)
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: sweet move dude :D
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> zeEez: looking good ?
[11:31] <zeEez> ActionParsnip: Well my software index is all fine now. We'll see about rc2 once the live cd finished downloading :)
[11:32] <jussio1> does anyon know the correct md5sum for the rc2 live cd?
[11:32] <Tm_T> jussio1: I don't
[11:32] <jussio1> :(
[11:33] <jussio1> where is stdin when you need him...
[11:33] <Tm_T> sleeping ofcourse =)
[11:33] <jussio1> hehe
[11:33] <Csigaa> jussio1: there should be an MD5SUMS file on the FTP
[11:33] <Csigaa> or on the download website
[11:33] <jussio1> Csigaa: nope
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: is that http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: http://simosnet.com/livecd/ubuntu/
[11:34] <jussio1> ActionParsnip: Csigaa, thats not the cd im talking about
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: what is the filename you downloaded?
[11:35] <jussio1> ActionParsnip: its the one linked to in /topic
[11:35] <jussio1> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu-kde4-rc2.iso
[11:36] <jussio1> and there is no md5 on http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/
[11:37] <david__> I succesfylly installed the RC2 already (KDE4)
[11:37] <david__> I just did an dist-upgrade before installing the packages
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> david__: sounds like a result :D
[11:42] <maxik> привет.....
[11:42] <maxik> тут помогают новичкам.
[11:42] <maxik> ???
[11:42] <jussio1> !ru | maxik
[11:42] <ubotu> maxik: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:45] <Norgur> hi
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> hi Norgur
[11:51] <jussio1> ActionParsnip: there is now a md5 on the wiki site :D
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: ace man couldnt find one myself
[11:51] <jussio1> ActionParsnip: yeah, I just asked the guy who hosts the cd for it :F
[11:51] <jussio1> :D
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> jussio1: good choice man :D
[11:54] <dreamcoder> can anyone tell me how to let my xbox 360 connect to the internet through kubuntu?
[11:54] <dreamcoder> please
[11:59] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: did you set up NAT yet?
[12:00] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/
[12:00] <maxik> куда тут по русски?
[12:01] <dreamcoder>  ihave installed firestart thats about it
[12:01] <SatManUK> !ru
[12:01] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:01] <dreamcoder> i managed to get it done in suse 10.2 with yast
[12:01] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: taht won't work... read the howto and forget the GUI things :)
[12:01] <SatManUK> !ru @ maxik
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ru @ maxik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: firestarter is obsolete and discontinued, AFAIK
[12:01] <SatManUK> !ru maxik
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ru maxik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <dreamcoder> oooh
[12:02] <dreamcoder> so i shud get rid?
[12:02] <dreamcoder> could u take a look at this link and tell me if i cud just follow this guide ?
[12:02] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: learn to use iptables anyway. That comes handy all the time :)
[12:02] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: I think this guide is good for the basics
[12:03] <dreamcoder> yea i will just dont have time at the minute its for my son ya see to use his xbox
[12:03] <Csigaa> it tells how to set up a simple NAT
[12:03] <Csigaa> to set up real firewall, read the "netfilter howto" by the author of iptables
[12:03] <dreamcoder> ok thanks
[12:04] <Csigaa> dreamcoder: I don't know anything about the xbox settings
[12:04] <Csigaa> can it be set up manually?
[12:05] <Csigaa> you shold set up the gateway address (your PC) and the DNS servers (given by the ISP)
[12:05] <Csigaa> if it can only DHCP, it is more complicated...
[12:06] <dreamcoder> yes it can be setup manually
[12:06] <Csigaa> then no problem :)
[12:06] <dreamcoder> i know i had no problem before on suse... i have a general idea.. the only thing i had trouble with is opening ports so the nat isnt restrcied
[12:07] <Csigaa> you can open ports with "iptables -A INPUT -p $PROTOCOL --dport $PORTNUMBER -i $INTERFACE -j ACCEPT"
[12:08] <Csigaa> to forward ports (for the xbox - does it run any services which require open input ports?) it is a bit longer
[12:09] <Csigaa> portforward: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p $PROTOCOL -i $WAN_IFACE --dport $PORTNUMBER -j DNAT --to $XBOX_IP:$PORTNUMBER
[12:09] <Csigaa> $PROTOCOL is udp or tcp
[12:10] <dreamcoder> UDP 88, UDP 3074 and tcp 3074
[12:10] <Csigaa> $WAN_IFACE is the interface which connects to the Internet
[12:10] <kingzar> SMCWUSBT-G2 < wireless USB dongle isn't working in UBUNTU 7.10
[12:14] <waylandbill> is there a way to get a kicker on both of my monitors? where would I look to do this?
[12:16] <waylandbill> n/m. I clicked the main kicker panel and added a new panel. it was easier than I thought
[12:23] <kub^> can anyone jelp i added a kasbar ow cant get rid of it?
[12:24] <brubelsab1> how to install or use "component-chooser" in kde? which package?
[12:24] <kub^> nm found it im stupid :)
[12:24] <SatManUK> hahaha
[12:24] <SatManUK> no your not..
[12:24] <SatManUK> just takes getting used to..
[12:25] <kub^> yeah just feel a bit silly when you find it coz its a wee bit obvious :D
[12:26] <kingzar> Does someone know what to do with this problem
[12:26] <kingzar> i have an smcwusbt-g2 usb dongle
[12:26] <kingzar> on ndiswrapper there's none with this tag
[12:26] <kingzar> but smcwusbt-g version has the same Chipset as mine
[12:27] <kingzar> is it safe to say the same one works for me?
[12:29] <brubelsab1> how to set default browser to firefox?
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> brubelsab1: systemsettings->default apps
[12:30] <deuryte> xcell
[12:30] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: no, with usb dongles things vary wildly
[12:30] <kingzar> so them i stuck between 2 versions
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: don'tyou have the windows driver CD?
[12:31] <kingzar> there's 1 with the correct name wrong chipset, or there's 1 with the correct chipset and wrong name
[12:31] <kingzar> yes i do
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: then use the drivers off of there.
[12:32] <kingzar> but how..
[12:32] <kingzar> the problem is that i'm trying to follow the guide of ndiswrapper
[12:32] <kingzar> because i don't know anyother way.. and there's no part saying how to do that :)
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: go onto the CD and fine the driver file and go from there.
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: the ndiswrapper instrzuctions should apply fairly well once you have .exe or .zip(depening on what it is)
[12:35] <brubelsab1> nosrednaekim: thanks, but I've had to install kde-systemsettings before, and now it runs perfectly, many thanks for this hint.
[12:35] <kingzar> i have the .zip
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> brubelsab1: if you just installed kde from Ubuntu, it may be helpful for you to install the "kubuntu-desktop" package.
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> kingzar: unzip it and inside you will see a ".inf" follow the instructions on what to do with that
[12:36] <brubelsab1> nosrednaekim: oh.. yes I'll do this
[12:37] <brubelsab1> nosrednaekim: but why changes kubuntu the kde default behaviour of kcontrol?, IMHO in standard kde the options reside under "component-chooser"
[12:39] <nosrednaekim> brubelsab1: you can still get the old kcontrol with "alt+f2, kcontrol"
[12:41] <brubelsab1> nosrednaekim: but then there is still no "component-chooser" in the "kde components"-section
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> brubelsab1: oh... IDK
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> hello all
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> tried to install this
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> and now my system is broken
[12:45] <DarkWizzard> dependancy errors
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> I did remove the previous packages
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> as it said
[12:46] <brubelsab1> bye
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> http://pastebin.ca/813289
[12:46] <DarkWizzard> the errors
[12:46] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: had the same problem.but it works on a fresh gutsy install
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> it's supposed to install in /usr/lib/kde4
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> ok
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> nvm
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> how do I remove it ?
[12:47] <DarkWizzard> all
[12:47] <xRaich[o]2x> dpkg -r packagename should do the trick
[12:48] <DarkWizzard> it was from the repositoryes
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> !brokenkde4
[12:50] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: in addition use the instruction in the wiki in the channel topic
[12:51] <oakxx> i have to type this to install something.... cmake . -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RELEASE  , now , am i supposed to change RELEASE to something like kubuntu?
[12:52] <DarkWizzard> ok
[12:52] <DarkWizzard> thanks guys
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> YW
[12:53]  * ActionParsnip is waiting for kde4 to be officially released
[12:53]  * DarkWizzard is to curious to wait and hopes that RC 2 is a LOT better than RC1
[12:53] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: it is ;)
[12:54]  * nosrednaekim calls ActionParsnip a coward
[12:54] <DarkWizzard> good then
[12:54] <DarkWizzard> :)
[12:54]  * nosrednaekim hopes soo too cause it his main dE
[12:54] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: damn that's what i call patience ^^
[12:54] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm running kde4 right now. it's stunning
[12:54] <DarkWizzard> cool
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: well i work on computers all day so i'm not massively up for pain and headache if i get any ssues
[12:54] <oakxx> i have to type this to install something.... cmake . -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RELEASE  , now , am i supposed to change RELEASE to something like kubuntu?
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> I'm using qlwm right now.... erased all RC1 and getting RC2
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> I saw that they got the systray working
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: i just use kubuntu as its easy and simple to work with
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> :)
[12:55] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: systray works. composite works and so on ^^
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> good
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> can't wait :D
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> those ScreenShots were amazing.
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: kinda like my dad who drives automatic transmission cars cos he's a bus driver and wants an easy life
[12:55] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: wait until you see the running program ;)
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: well,composite was working for me on RC1
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> i was just missing the panel.
[12:56] <xRaich[o]2x> ActionParsnip: well kubuntu is an amazing distro
[12:56] <nosrednaekim> and the ability to change the wallpaper (yech!)
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> xRaich[o]2x: yeah i know its pretty sweet
[12:56] <DarkWizzard> I like the gradients in the new panel
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> did they fix that in RC2 ?
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> I mean the wallpaper thing
[12:57] <xRaich[o]2x> kde3 looks horrible compared to kde4 ^^
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: I believe I read it somewhere.... in any case, its not the same flowers.:D
[12:58]  * xRaich[o]2x is feeling like running a mac again.... only better
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> it will rule
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> I know it
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> just needs some time
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> :)
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> I mean look at the base of that stuff
[12:59] <DarkWizzard> Qt4
[12:59] <DarkWizzard> that framework rocks :)
[12:59] <xRaich[o]2x> i'm still missing some packages but the overall look and feel is just amazing
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> lol, did you guys see what Mattias Kretz did? haha
[12:59] <xRaich[o]2x> 4.1 will rule so hard it'll hurt ^^
[13:00] <xRaich[o]2x> can't wait for Qt4.4 so amarok 2 can be released ^^
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> yeah... amarok 2 should be pretty amazing, finally available for all those windows-itunes prisoners.
[13:01] <DarkWizzard> nosrednaekim: what did he do ?
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: modified the QT classes to ad bling to buttons, titlebars etc.... reflection and animation,
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> lemme find the link..
[13:02] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: hopyfully it will attract more users to kde
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> http://vir.homelinux.org/blog/index.php?/archives/89-going-crazy.html
[13:03] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> now this is cool
[13:03] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard_KDE4: is it running? ;)
[13:03] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> yeah
[13:03] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> :)
[13:03] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> ahh wallpaper change :D
[13:03] <xRaich[o]2x> enjoy the amazingness ^^
[13:04]  * nosrednaekim is so jealous
[13:04] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> moveable widgets :)
[13:04] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> how do I know if composite is running ?
[13:04] <DarkWizzard_KDE4> :)
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard_KDE4: right click on the title bar and select preferences
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> *title bar of a window
[13:05] <xRaich[o]2x> configure window behavior
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> lol... i'm still stuck in kde3 stuff :D
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> the screen turned white :d
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> all white
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> I have compiz working
[13:06] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: there are still so many programms missing but i just can't go back anymore
[13:06] <DarkWizzard> on my kde3
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: plasma crash
[13:06] <xRaich[o]2x> yep
[13:06] <xRaich[o]2x> plasma crash
[13:07] <Csigaa> well... I'll wait for the final KDE4.1
[13:07] <Csigaa> in KDE3, 3.1 still sucked bcause of bugs
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x: I still use alot of kde3 programs
[13:07] <bdgraue> i have KDE4 rc2 running, works all fine and smooth, one little problem i have ist, that firefox crashes all time, is that a known "feature" ?
[13:07] <xRaich[o]2x> nosrednaekim: i could to... but they feel so wrong XD
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> bdgraue: certainly is :D
[13:07] <DarkWizzard> ok I'm in trouble :D
[13:08] <Csigaa> bdgraue: firefox should not be affected by any KDE stuff
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> how do I disable desktop effects
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> without seeing anything
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> I'll just delet
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> e
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> .kde4 :)
[13:08] <nosrednaekim> DarkWizzard: just ctrl+alt bckspace it
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> I did
[13:08] <DarkWizzard> but it started with effects enabled
[13:08] <bdgraue> Csigaa: can this be a problem with the installed firetray addon?
[13:08] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: what video card are you using?
[13:09] <Csigaa> bdgraue: now that can affect... try disabling/uninstalling it
[13:09] <DarkWizzard> Radeon 9200 SE
[13:09] <DarkWizzard> old as hell :d
[13:09] <DarkWizzard> but compiz works with it
[13:09] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: you need a new one
[13:09] <bdgraue> Csigaa: i'll try it, but i can't do it from inside firefox ;)
[13:09] <Csigaa> but supported :)
[13:10] <xRaich[o]2x> DarkWizzard: the new one support AIGLX
[13:10] <DarkWizzard> this one does too
[13:10] <DarkWizzard> I'm using the open source radeon driver
[13:10] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok
[13:10] <DarkWizzard> because my card is old and it's supported
[13:10] <Csigaa> bdgraue: mv .mozilla .mozilla.bug (you get a new fresh config)
[13:10] <Csigaa> (without the buggy element)
[13:10] <bdgraue> jop
[13:11]  * xRaich[o]2x totally digs those intel chipsets
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> DarkWizzard: how much ram does your 9200 have?
[13:11] <Csigaa> the joke is, that Radeon8500 and above WAS supported by ati... long time ago
[13:11] <DarkWizzard> 128 MB
[13:11] <DarkWizzard> I think
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> DarkWizzard: not a bad card. better than onboard
[13:13] <DarkWizzard> yeah I'm ok with it
[13:13] <DarkWizzard> I can run compiz and play Urban Terror :D
[13:13] <DarkWizzard> what else do I need :D
[13:13]  * jussio1 has a 9250...
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> DarkWizzard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremulous
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> DarkWizzard: its awesome :D
[13:14] <DarkWizzard> cool :)
[13:14]  * jussio1 agrees 100%
[13:14]  * DarkWizzard loves Quake games :D
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> the 9100 integrated never was supported by fglrx , but now it is by radeon
[13:17] <bdgraue> Csigaa: firefox seems to work now, i think it was the firetray, i removed it from the extensions.ini and deleted the folder for this extension, for now firefox is running :D
[13:17] <DarkWizzard> those that thing work ?
[13:18] <DarkWizzard> firetray ?
[13:19] <DarkWizzard> hmm Tremolous graphics remind me of Jedi academy
[13:19] <bdgraue> firetray is an firefox addon that shows ann systray-icon, but it don't work with the kde4 very well, i think
[13:20] <DarkWizzard> hmm
[13:20] <DarkWizzard> those that command work if I want to remove RC 2 too ?
[13:21] <DarkWizzard> it doesn't start
[13:21] <DarkWizzard> at all now :D
[13:27] <Reydan> ?
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[13:31] <grothesk> !brokenkde4
[13:31] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[13:32] <bazhang> there is a livecd of kubuntu now out iirc with rc2 of kde4
[13:40] <Jack111> hi
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks : )
[13:41] <anil> Hi
[13:41] <[B5C]wallabee> hiho
[13:42] <BluesKaj> !hi | [B5C]wallabee
[13:42] <ubotu> [B5C]wallabee: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[13:42] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: howdy
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T , how goes it ?
[13:43] <anil> I have intel 915 graphics card and compiz is not working fine on kubutnu .. Its loading fantastic on ubuntu. How can I tweak compiz
[13:43] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: okie, msn?
[13:43] <DarkWizzard> is it a problem is kde4 is trying to remove kdebase-bin-kde3
[13:43] <DarkWizzard> ?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> ok Tm_T
[13:45] <anil> can someone help me .. please
[13:45] <anil> :)
[13:46] <[B5C]wallabee> i have also a intel + kubuntu + conpiz fusion but it works like a charm
[13:46] <Jack111> i have got the problem that i can receive emails with guarddog, but not send.i am using the standard internet/local konfiguration and pop,2,3 are allowed.i also opened the ports that gmx uses, but it doesnt help
[13:46] <anil> Hi .. wallabee .. how you are strting it
[13:46] <[B5C]wallabee> compiz --replace
[13:47] <anil> thats all ... any other switches.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Jack111, is this in the workplace or at home ?
[13:47] <[B5C]wallabee> not really
[13:47] <[B5C]wallabee> thats all
[13:47] <martijn81> how do i config my hp 2600N network printer?
[13:48] <anil> wallbee .. let me try that .. iam using compiz.real
[13:48] <Jack111> BluesKaj: workplace,  it works without firewall, i mean the sending works
[13:48] <[B5C]wallabee> martijn81, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=457112&highlight=2600n
[13:51] <anil> wallbee .. it seems to be working fine
[13:51] <[B5C]wallabee> ;)
[13:51] <anil> wallbee .. is theer any extra packages i can try for compix
[13:51] <[B5C]wallabee> are u using compiz fusion?
[13:51] <anil> yup
[13:52] <anil> I just migrated from PCLOS
[13:52] <anil> getting used to Kubuntu
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Jack111, sorry I don't know about guarddog , but I do know there are some very effective filters in kmail
[13:52] <[B5C]wallabee> heres a link for extra plugs http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=5303
[13:53] <[B5C]wallabee> anil but dont't try atlantis2 intel is to slow ;)
[13:55] <anil> wallbee .. that is awsome .. can i follow the instructions exactly there. It seems like for ubuntu ..
[13:55] <[B5C]wallabee> jep
[13:55] <anil> wallbee .. Thanks ... :)
[13:55] <[B5C]wallabee> i trid atlantis (not 2 ) and it works with my intel
[13:56] <anil> wallbee .. gr8 help for me
[13:56] <[B5C]wallabee> np
[13:56] <anil> I have one more q ... how to change the mouse pointer ... i don't want that dancing icon ... :D
[13:56] <[B5C]wallabee> hm i did this too but ..
[13:57] <[B5C]wallabee> have to find it again
[13:57] <[B5C]wallabee> im off for a smoke now 5 mins
[13:57] <anil> I couldn't find an option for that ... :(
[13:57] <anil> smoking is not good ... :)
[13:57] <anil> I quit ... now 2 days :D
[13:58] <deuryte> I smoke , but don't inhail...
[13:58] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[13:58] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:59] <anil> sorry for that ... :) be caredul nxt time
[13:59] <anil> so how can i change my mouse pointer .. please help
[14:00] <bazhang> anil: the icon or the feedback?
[14:01] <anil> hello bazhang ... I am just trying to change the dancing busy icon under the mouse pointer
[14:01] <[B5C]wallabee> anil, wait a moment
[14:01] <anil> sure wallbee ..
[14:02]  * BluesKaj wishes users would explore/browse the optional changes available in 'system settings'
[14:03] <bazhang> appearance and themes launch feedback anil
[14:04] <anil> let me check bazhang
[14:04] <anil> I am in appearance menu ...
[14:04] <anil> there which option i have to choose
[14:05] <bazhang> anil: set it to no busy cursor
[14:05] <bazhang> launch feedback
[14:05] <deuryte> anil..... k menue ,  system settings ,  keyboard and mose...
[14:05] <DarkWizzard> does anyone have a package for kickoff menu ?
[14:06] <anil> Thanks for the tip deuryte
[14:06] <[B5C]wallabee> ah ok
[14:06] <DarkWizzard> my kmenu is broken
[14:06] <DarkWizzard> I have been using kickoff but now it wont open
[14:06] <deuryte> 4
[14:06] <DarkWizzard> and when I try to open it kicker freezes
[14:07] <bazhang> launch feedback is the correct setting anil
[14:08] <[B5C]wallabee> is it possible to get dualview (expanded) with the standard ati (ati in xorg) driver?
[14:08] <deuryte> l
[14:10] <kingzar> AAAHH!! i'm so close to getting internet.. i installed my SMC dongle with ndiswrapper. and i tried to setup my network
[14:10] <kingzar> and because i didn't knew my password anymore
[14:10] <kingzar> i was trying different inputs.. But it didn't work fast enough so i rebooted.
[14:10] <kingzar> and now it doesn't see my dongle anymore the networkmanager that is
[14:11] <[B5C]wallabee> is it possible to get dualview (expanded) with the standard ati (ati in xorg) driver?
[14:11] <martijn81> [B5C]wallabee: there is one thing with this: i use system-config-printer now in 7.10 and this has other options
[14:11] <anil> launch feedback or visual feedback on activation (its enabled now)
[14:11] <kingzar> can someone give me some input
[14:11] <Jack111> can someone help with guarddog??
[14:11] <Jack111> thanks
[14:11] <martijn81> so i cannot get it to work :(
[14:12] <[B5C]wallabee> martijn81, sorry just quick searched ubuntuforums
[14:12] <anil> bazhang ... can u please confirm the option i;ve to disable
[14:13] <bazhang> anil: launch feedback, set to no busy cursor
[14:13] <bazhang> anil: then hit apply
[14:14] <dny> hi! ich kann bei mir keinen drucker einrichten, da die treiber nicht installiert werden können. versuche es über kde unter systemeinstellungen. bin auch als root dort angemeldet...
[14:14] <dny> hat irgendjemand eine idee woran das liegen könnte?
[14:14] <bazhang> !de | dny
[14:14] <ubotu> dny: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[14:15] <dny> sorry :)
[14:15] <martijn81> anyone knows howto config with system-config-printer?
[14:15] <anil> bazhang ... i am sorry I couldn;t find that on keyboard and mouse settings :(
[14:16] <bazhang> anil: because it's not in there; that was some other person's suggestion :} I suggested the system settings appearances and themes
[14:19] <anil> bazhang ... I'm there ... which option to select
[14:20] <pysiak1> hi all
[14:20] <bazhang> anil: launch feedback
[14:21] <Jack111> is somebody into guarddog?
[14:21] <anil> bazhang .. got it man ... :)
[14:21] <anil> bazhang ... gr8
[14:21] <martijn81> how do i know the Device URI: from my hp printer?
[14:22] <llutz> martijn81: laserjet with jedirect-connection?
[14:22] <llutz> jetdirect
[14:23] <llutz> martijn81: socket://ip-of-your-printer
[14:23] <martijn81> llutz: dunno what jetdirect is?
[14:23] <martijn81> but it is connected by lan
[14:23] <llutz> try socket...
[14:23] <martijn81> k
[14:23] <[B5C]wallabee> anil, where did u find it?
[14:24] <anil> alt+f2 >> kcontrol >> launch feedback
[14:25] <bdgraue> how can i get the pager-widget in my "taskbar"?
[14:25] <[B5C]wallabee> ah thanx anil
[14:26] <anil> [B5C]wallabee, i didn't know busy cursor setting was in LAunch Feedback .. I always skip that menu
[14:26] <anil> :D ... everyhthing is fine now
[14:27] <Ashwin> who yamal
[14:27] <martijn81> llutz: worked!
[14:27] <[B5C]wallabee> anil, yep
[14:28] <anil> Is it pssoible to use voice for gtalk in pidgin?
[14:28] <[B5C]wallabee> one quest: is it possible to get dualview (expanded) with the standard ati (ati in xorg) driver?
[14:28] <llutz> martijn81: fine
[14:31] <martijn81> :)
[14:31] <anil> gtalk with voice in linux ... possible ?? any software that support this
[14:34] <bazhang> anil: pidgin perhaps
[14:34] <hydrogen> any jabber software
[14:36] <Ashwin> ch
[14:36] <anil> I found one gtalk replacement
[14:36] <anil> http://www.jabbin.com/int/
[14:36] <hydrogen> all jabber clients
[14:36] <[B5C]wallabee> kopete?
[14:36] <hydrogen> can work for gtalk
[14:37] <Tm_T> yes
[14:37] <hydrogen> as long as your not trying to voice
[14:37] <Tm_T> yup, but for voice, there's no real choice
[14:37] <anil> its support voice too
[14:37] <anil> i guess .. their site claiming that
[14:38] <anil> i'm downloading it ...
[14:47] <BluesKaj> bazhang, launch feedback? , where in kubuntu gutsy system settings/appearances is that
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:48] <[B5C]wallabee> BluesKaj, alt+f2 >> kcontrol >> launch feedback
[14:48] <huXfluX> hello all! can someone explain in big lines what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? or at least tell me what's the biggest difference
[14:50] <stdin> !aptitude | huXfluX
[14:50] <ubotu> huXfluX: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[14:50] <llutz> huXfluX: there's no _big_ difference, aptitude handles packages a bit more smart and is the recommended tool for debian
[14:52] <bazhang> BluesKaj: I believe it is kcontrol
[14:52] <bazhang> oops never mind
[14:54] <BluesKaj> yes bazhang thx , i found it ..oddd that it doesn't appear in system settings/appearance. Seems to me that kcontrol and system settings should be integrated in kde ... it's confusing
[14:54] <[B5C]wallabee> had the same prob ;)
[14:54] <bazhang> BluesKaj: add to the fact that I have kbfx and it's even worse :}
[14:55] <[B5C]wallabee> juhu finally my ssh server is working hehe
[14:56] <BluesKaj> sort of like the sound system setup, too many cooks with alsa , kmix, sound system settings etc
[14:56] <bazhang> so true
[15:04] <frojnd> hello there
[15:04] <frojnd> I need ati users help
[15:04] <bazhang> hi frojnd
[15:04] <[B5C]wallabee> hiho
[15:04] <frojnd> hi bazhang
[15:06] <BluesKaj> frojnd, ok will try to help , what's the prob ?
[15:09] <frojnd> BluesKaj, hm... I can't watch movies :D
[15:09] <frojnd> when I full screen them, the picture is not "clear"
[15:10] <frojnd> also sometimes I get some borders in right lower corner...
[15:10] <frojnd> which is quite annoying
[15:10] <jett_> hey
[15:10] <jett_> quick question
[15:10] <BluesKaj> which player are you using , frojnd ?
[15:10] <jett_> does anyone know where i can find the "exe" file for akregator
[15:10] <frojnd> BluesKaj, VLC, mplayer,..
[15:11] <BluesKaj> jett_, look in kontact
[15:11] <jett_> can anyone help?
[15:11] <frojnd> BluesKaj, with drivers should everything be ok if I do fglrxinfo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47958/
[15:11] <jett_> koncact?
[15:11] <jett_> whats kontact?
[15:11] <bazhang> jett_: you want to launch akgregator?
[15:11] <jett_> no
[15:11] <jett_> i want to find it so i can add feeds to it
[15:11] <bazhang> ok
[15:11] <BluesKaj> frojnd, what is you resolution set up in system settings/monitor&display
[15:11] <[B5C]wallabee> jett_ there is no exe just install with adept
[15:11] <jett_> with firefox
[15:12] <jett_> its installed
[15:12] <jett_> i just need to find where
[15:12] <frojnd> BluesKaj, 1440x900
[15:12] <bazhang> jett_: you want to add rss feeds to firefox?
[15:12] <[B5C]wallabee> ah ok you want the install folder?
[15:12] <jett_> i looked in usr/bin, etc, opt, bin
[15:12] <jett_> yeah
[15:12] <jett_> like you find the feed, press on the orange box in the url and then find the app for the rss reader
[15:13] <bazhang> jett_: click on the rss feed on the firefox address window and add it that way
[15:13] <jett_> then it tells me to locate it
[15:13] <stdin> jett_: the "exe" is /usr/bin/akregator
[15:14] <jett_> thanks ill try that
[15:14] <frojnd> BluesKaj, also, if I maximize glxgears I get about 1551 frames in 5.0 seconds = 309.706 FPS1046 frames in 5.0 seconds = 208.470 FPS  isn't this too low for ati mobility x1440 ?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> akregator is in kmenu/internet list
[15:14] <frojnd> BluesKaj, I am lost here why would't work movies and 3d effects..
[15:15] <hydrogen> frojnd: glxgears is a really bad benchmark
[15:15] <jett_> hmm
[15:15] <jett_> i didnt find it there
[15:16] <jett_> could it be anywhere else besides /usr/bin?
[15:16] <stdin> jett_: if it's installed, that's where it is
[15:16] <frojnd> hydrogen, ok, what about if I run supertux and resolution get's fu*** so I have to restart gdm ?
[15:16] <[B5C]wallabee> use the search but as stdin it should be there
[15:16] <BluesKaj> frojnd, no that's like my X200G ati onboard card ..the best I've seen is 300fps on my setup but that was with an unstable experimental driver , but 200fps is sufficint for most movies
[15:17] <frojnd> BluesKaj, ... so there is something wrong with my codecs ? But why I can't play any games..
[15:17] <jett_> hmm
[15:17] <BluesKaj> which card frojnd ?
[15:17] <jett_> maybe its not showing up cause i just installed it?
[15:17] <jett_> ill try restarting
[15:18] <BluesKaj> jett_, have you looked in the kmenu/intenet list ?
[15:18] <frojnd> BluesKaj, ati mobility x1400
[15:18] <bazhang> jett_: no need to restart
[15:18] <[B5C]wallabee> jett_ this is not windows ;)
[15:19] <jett_> lol
[15:19] <jett_> ok im just blind then
[15:19] <_Angelus_> jett_ if something is not apearing in the k-menu , open consol and do "kbuildsycoca"
[15:19] <_Angelus_> something like that
[15:19] <bazhang> jett_: alt +f2 akregator
[15:19] <_Angelus_> or try re-loging in
[15:19] <jett_> ok thanks there we go
[15:20] <jett_> you guys rock!
[15:20] <jett_> i just bought this dell with linux on it
[15:20] <jett_> i love it!
[15:20] <bazhang> nice
[15:20] <Daisuke_Ido> jett_: what model?
[15:21] <Kano> hi, did nobody test konqueor on the kde 4 live cd before releasing it?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> frojnd, can you play games in windows ?
[15:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Kano: what's the problem?
[15:22] <frojnd> BluesKaj, ofcourse,,,
[15:22] <frojnd> BluesKaj, also playing movies in full screen
[15:22] <bazhang> heh
[15:22] <Daisuke_Ido> when you come in complaining about something and not actually asking a question, expect to be pretty much ignored.
[15:22] <Kano> Daisuke_Ido: it does not work. it can not even open my website correcty, instead 30 message windows appear
[15:22] <Kano> also smb:/ is not working
[15:23] <Daisuke_Ido> that's better.
[15:23] <Daisuke_Ido> but probably something better taken up with #kde-devel
[15:24] <BluesKaj> frojnd, in the terminal type : fgl_glxgears
[15:25] <frojnd> BluesKaj, 2023 frames in 5.0 seconds = 404.600 FPS2126 frames in 5.0 seconds = 425.200 FPS2100 frames in 5.0 seconds = 420.000 F
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok , frojnd check system settings /advanced/restricted drivers/enabled  ?
[15:30] <frojnd> BluesKaj, it says: only in use
[15:32] <frojnd> BluesKaj, brb... I'll restart
[15:32] <[B5C]wallabee> are there any good touchscreen apps in kde?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> frojnd, that's the default driver for gutsy...ok in pastebin , post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[15:34] <bazhang> [B5C]wallabee: as in kiosk?
[15:34] <[B5C]wallabee> hm whats kiosk
[15:34] <eshat> how do i open kmail, the easy way ??? there is no menu entry for it
[15:35] <jpatrick> eshat: use kontact
[15:35] <pag> eshat, alt+f2 -> kmail
[15:35] <bazhang> alt + f2 kmail
[15:36] <[B5C]wallabee> a ipod touch like album switch with amarok?
[15:37] <[B5C]wallabee> or something like that
[15:37] <bazhang> [B5C]wallabee: maybe in kde5 :}
[15:37] <[B5C]wallabee> ;)
[15:37] <eshat> jpatrick: ahh that's it i uninstalled kontact,.. thanks
[15:40] <tekteen> hi
[15:40] <[B5C]wallabee> found one: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52641&forumpage=20&PHPSESSID=136e3e04198cd1acd4042e3155956259 looks nice
[15:42] <[B5C]wallabee> hm strange used the ati driver (about 700 fps) installed fglrx (1200 fps) used ati again (2700fps) lol
[15:43] <tekteen> anyone know why my NIC would change interface names (eth0, eth1, eth2, etc.)? It adds 1 to the name everytime I reboot. I think the reason is it thinks it is a new NIC and installs it everytime I reboot. Is there a way to fix that?
[15:45] <trappist> tekteen: ooh I've seen that one before
[15:46] <BluesKaj> [B5C]wallabee, on gutsy ?
[15:46] <tekteen> trappist: Is there a way to fix it?
[15:46] <trappist> tekteen: yes, but I'm gonna have to try really hard to remember
[15:46] <[B5C]wallabee> BluesKaj, jep on gutsy
[15:46] <tekteen> ok
[15:46] <tekteen> I am home sick
[15:46] <tekteen> I have all day. :-D
[15:49] <trappist> tekteen: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:49] <zyp1>  hello, I'm looking for the password for root in my kubuntu-rc2..
[15:49] <trappist> tekteen: also, is your nic a wireless card?
[15:49] <trappist> zyp1: doesn't have one
[15:49] <trappist> !sudo
[15:49] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[15:50] <tekteen> trappist: yes ... no
[15:50] <zyp1> trappist: I get asked for one, enter does not work
[15:50] <trappist> zyp1: you get asked for it when you do what?
[15:50] <llutz> zyp1: its your user-password
[15:50] <trappist> zyp1: root doesn't have an *empty* password, it has *no* password, as in no password will work
[15:51] <zyp1> ok, I get asked when I try to enter konqueror file manager
[15:51] <trappist> zyp1: enter your user password
[15:51] <zyp1> not workin
[15:51] <zyp1> g
[15:52] <trappist> zyp1: how are you launching konquerer?  it shouldn't ask for a passw... wait a minute are you using hardy heron?
[15:52] <zyp1> but it's fast :-) using a 1ghz, 397 ram.. faster than kde3..
[15:53] <zyp1> gutsy, kdm->kde4...everything is working
[15:53] <tekteen> trappist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47960/
[15:53] <zyp1> tried to open all programs in kickoff with "kde 4" name...
[15:53] <trappist> gotcha.  well possibly something's new and/or broken in the kde4 packages, but I don't know anything about those
[15:53] <sersocker> Muy buenas que tal?
[15:54] <tekteen> !es | sersocker
[15:54] <ubotu> sersocker: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:54] <Minataku> KDE4 itself is broken by virtue of it's unfinished nature
[15:54] <Minataku> For an RC2, it sure is pretty lousy
[15:54] <sersocker> #kubuntu-es
[15:54] <tekteen> sì
[15:54] <trappist> tekteen: ok that part looks good...
[15:55] <tekteen> trappist: my wireless was a nightmare to get working
[15:55] <trappist> yeah that can be hard
[15:55] <zyp1> but why would my X use less mem in kde4?
[15:55] <zyp1> Xorg
[15:56] <tekteen> trappist: So why does it get a new interface name
[15:56] <tekteen> ?
[15:56] <trappist> tekteen: don't know yet :) that's just the first thing I wanted to look at
[15:56] <tekteen> ok
[15:57] <trappist> tekteen: if you say ifconfig -a, do you see eth0, eth1 etc., or just eth2?
[15:57] <tekteen> sounds good :-)
[15:57] <lamliki> nick /dulll
[15:57] <tekteen> trappist: just eth22
[15:58] <trappist> tekteen: do you have a file called /etc/iftab?
[15:58] <tekteen> no
[15:58] <llutz> tekteen: chek /etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules  and 75-persistent-net-generator.rules
[15:59] <tekteen> llutz: what do I check
[15:59] <trappist> tekteen: create one, with one line, like this: eth0 mac 00:ff:00:ff:00:ff:00 arp 1
[15:59] <trappist> tekteen: replace the hex business with the mac of your nic
[15:59] <llutz> tekteen: simply set your mac-adr in 70-persistent-net.rules to be mapped to eth0
[16:00] <trappist> tekteen: actually listen to llutz :)
[16:00] <trappist> he knows something I don't know
[16:00] <llutz> trappist: not sure...
[16:00] <llutz> but thats the place the devices are confiugerd/named here
[16:01] <tekteen> llutz: can I pastebin the 2 files?
[16:01] <llutz> tekteen: just change the ATTRS{address} to your MAC:        SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:16:e6:d5:10:e1", NAME="eth0"
[16:02] <tekteen> ok
[16:02] <tekteen> in the first or secound file?
[16:02] <llutz> first one, hopefully i'm not telling s...t :)
[16:02] <tekteen> second*
[16:04] <tekteen> I am going to restart and see if it helped. brb
[16:08] <trappist> I wonder why I have a /etc/iftab on one gutsy box and not another
[16:10] <tekteen> It did not work
[16:10] <tekteen> I think the mac address changed
[16:11] <tekteen> trappist?
[16:11] <tekteen> trappist, u here?
[16:12] <trappist> tekteen: I sure can't think of a reason that would happen.  does the current mac match the one you put into that file?
[16:12] <tekteen> no
[16:13] <tekteen> llutz: u still here?
[16:13] <trappist> that's insanity, and would explain your problem, I think... I can't imagine why it would happen, though.  the mac is hard-coded into the card.  it's possible to change it, but I've never seen that happen accidentally.
[16:13] <tekteen> ok
[16:14] <tekteen> is there a way to device the PCI device instead of the MAC address
[16:14] <trappist> not that I know of
[16:15] <tekteen> is llutz still here?
[16:15] <trappist> I haven't seen him leave
[16:16] <bazhang> just hiding :}
[16:16] <tekteen> trappist: his ghost is here (logged in but afk)
[16:17] <Arvid> I just installed KDE4, but when I try to log in it just throws my out again
[16:17] <llutz> tekteen: needed some coffee :) it didn't work?
[16:17] <tekteen> no
[16:17] <tekteen> the mac address keeps changing
[16:18] <tekteen> Is there a way to choose a PCI device instead
[16:18] <tekteen> ?
[16:18] <llutz> tekteen: i don't know, sry
[16:18] <tekteen> Is there a way to choose the PCI address instead?
[16:19] <Kohlrabi> tekteen: maybe it would be easier to fix your changing-MAC-problem
[16:19] <Kohlrabi> that sounds very weird
[16:21] <trappist> tekteen: what kind of nic do you have?
[16:21] <tekteen> trappist: one sec
[16:21] <trappist> tekteen: also, where are you looking for the card's mac address?
[16:22] <tekteen> 2 places
[16:22] <tekteen> the file and ifconfig
[16:22] <tekteen> both are the same
[16:22] <trappist> what file?
[16:22] <tekteen> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[16:23] <trappist> tekteen: do you mean that file has your *current* mac in it?
[16:23] <tekteen> trappist: It is automatically edited by udev
[16:23] <trappist> ah, gotcha.
[16:23] <trappist> this is in-frickin-sane.
[16:24] <trappist> so, what kind of nic?
[16:24] <tekteen> trappist: It also has the old mac as well assigned to eth0
[16:24] <trappist> (lspci, maybe)
[16:24] <trappist> tekteen: does it have more than one SUBSYSTEM line, with the different macs/devnames?
[16:24] <tekteen> trappist: yes
[16:25] <trappist> wow.
[16:26] <trappist> tekteen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481847
[16:26] <huXfluX> hello! you all may know about apt-file. it allows you to search for files provided by a package, usefull when you need to install a library.so.1 but don't know which package provides it. however, is there a way to use aptitude for this ?
[16:26] <trappist> tekteen: do you have an nforce chipset?
[16:27] <llutz> huXfluX:  sudo aptitude install apt-file
[16:27] <trappist> heh.
[16:27] <llutz> huXfluX: apt-file is the packagename as well
[16:28] <tekteen> trappist: I do not know
[16:28] <trappist> tekteen: pastebin the output of lspci please
[16:28] <tekteen> trappist: I will post the output of lspci
[16:28] <llutz>  lspci |grep -i netw
[16:29] <tekteen> It is not listed
[16:29] <trappist> tekteen: also please try dmest | grep -i 'mac address'
[16:29] <bulio> can I install kubuntu on top of ubuntu?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> !weather CWBE
[16:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about weather cwbe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:30] <trappist> llutz: could also be "Ethernet"
[16:30] <Kohlrabi> bulio: you can get the kde-files
[16:30] <tekteen> trappist:bash: dmest: command not found
[16:30] <bulio> also, how do I install KDE4
[16:30] <BluesKaj> oops wrong room :)
[16:30] <llutz> trappist: ups, my bad
[16:30] <trappist> tekteen: sorry typo, it's dmesg
[16:30] <tekteen> 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 054c (rev a2)
[16:31] <trappist> tekteen: ok so it's an nforce nic
[16:31] <bulio> Kohlrabi, is it better just to do a fresh install?
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> bulio: no, it's a minimal change
[16:31] <trappist> tekteen: do the dmesg thing please
[16:31] <bulio> ok
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> just `apt-get install kde-desktop` if I remember correctly
[16:31] <bulio> and how do I install KDE4
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> that I don't know
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> !kde4
[16:31] <llutz> kubuntu-desktop
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> err
[16:31] <Norgur> bulio, look at kubuntu.org
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> yes, kubuntu*
[16:31] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[16:31] <Kohlrabi> sorry
[16:32] <tekteen> trappist: [   19.536962] 0000:00:0a.0: Invalid Mac address detected: 4b:eb:cd:24:1b:00
[16:32] <trappist> tekteen: that's it.  it's auto-assigning a random mac because it reads the mac as invalid.
[16:32] <trappist> tekteen: do you have an asus motherboard?
[16:32] <tekteen> trappist: ok
[16:32] <huXfluX> llutz i know that. i was wondering if aptitude cand do what apt-file does.
[16:33] <trappist> huXfluX: I don't think it can.
[16:33] <tekteen> Is there a way to tell it that the ethernet card (PCI address) has a mac address of ...
[16:33] <llutz> tekteen: http://groups.google.com/group/id-ubuntu/browse_thread/thread/c169ec7f985e362c
[16:34] <tekteen> llutz: what language is it in?
[16:34] <llutz> tekteen: make  70-persistent-net.rules one line like:        SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="forcedeth", NAME="eth0"
[16:34] <TimS> I was messing arround with Kaffine and I set a toolbar to flat and it has dissapeared, how can I get it back?
[16:34] <llutz> tekteen: i don't know, but the essential thing is english :)
[16:35] <tekteen> llutz: where is the english
[16:35] <tekteen> ?
[16:35] <llutz> tekteen: 2. article
[16:35] <tekteen> ok
[16:36] <llutz> tekteen: "Yulian" blabla, at the end. please check if you are using forcedeth-driver "lsmod|grep forcedeath"
[16:36] <tekteen> I am
[16:36] <llutz> tekteen: so try it that way
[16:37] <tekteen> llutz: nm
[16:37] <tekteen> llutz: nothing showed up when I typed the comand
[16:37] <tekteen> but in the file it says ...
[16:38] <tekteen> # PCI device 0x10de:0x054c (forcedeth)
[16:38] <llutz> tekteen: "lsmod|grep forcedeth" as a typo
[16:38] <tekteen> ok
[16:38] <tekteen> forcedeth              55048  0
[16:39] <llutz> ah
[16:39] <tekteen> I will reboot then?
[16:39] <llutz> tekteen: try and pray
[16:39] <tekteen> got it
[16:40] <khumba-yo> hi
[16:41] <mendred> hi are there kde4 rc2 packages for amd64?
[16:42] <khumba-yo> ~ weechat test succeeded ~ :D
[16:43] <tekteen> IT WORKS :-D
[16:43] <tekteen> llutz: it is now eth0
[16:44] <llutz> tekteen: fine, hopefully it will be eth0 next reboot too :)
[16:44] <tekteen> llutz: next I will edit /etc/network/interfaces
[16:44] <tekteen> llutz: I need to make eth0 always the same mac
[16:45] <tekteen> That I think I can do
[16:45] <tekteen> thanks :-D
[16:46] <trappist> tekteen: you can permanently set the mac using ethtool
[16:47] <tekteen> ok
[16:47] <trappist> permanently as in alter the card's eeprom
[16:47] <tekteen> oh
[16:48] <tekteen> I want linux to know my mac address
[16:48] <trappist> well your problem is your card has an invalid (according to linux) mac address.  if you fix that, you'll be good.
[16:49] <tekteen> trappist: I am going to try modifying the interfaces file
[16:49] <trappist> good luck :)  I don't think it'll do the trick
[16:50] <tekteen> I am going to map eth0 which works to the correct MAC
[16:53] <napster_> hey guys, I would like to unlock my samsung E250 I have already googeld but nothing found
[16:53] <llutz> trappist: / tekteen like this way?  http://embedded.seattle.intel-research.net/wiki/index.php?title=Setting_the_MAC_Address_from_Linux
[16:53] <tekteen> thanks
[16:53] <napster_> are maby someone has a link or a good program for me ?
[16:53] <trappist> llutz: yeah that's what I was just looking at :)
[16:54] <tekteen> llutz: I do not want to change the mac
[16:55] <llutz> tekteen: but make it permanent
[16:55] <tekteen> llutz: just tell linux the mac address of the card
[16:55] <khumba-y0> hi
[16:55] <tekteen> llutz: windows can read the mac but linux cant
[16:56] <itsjustme> well.  Unfortunetly, I didn't check to see that linux plays nicely with my Toshiba satallite a205 before buying it and now I have no sound and web video...
[16:56] <tekteen> I just want to tell linux (through the interface file) what the real mac is
[16:56] <itsjustme> unless I use the windozzz
[16:56] <llutz> tekteen: i c
[16:57] <itsjustme> it there such thing as a social website for local areas??  i am new to linux and used to use yahoo chat and they had a channels list
[16:58] <Kohlrabi> maybe run yahoo chat natively or in wine
[16:58] <tekteen> itsjustme: you can go into yahoo chat in linux
[16:58] <tekteen> itsjustme: I use pidgin for going into yahoo chats
[16:59] <itsjustme> ya... but I wass looking for a  more active sight with People in it not just sex bots
[17:00] <itsjustme> thats a lot of yahoo chat.. Mainly sex bots and crap
[17:00] <tekteen> itsjustme: pidgin can go into yahoo chats
[17:00] <tekteen> pidgin=linux im client
[17:01] <llutz> ^^ not only linux
[17:01] <tekteen> true
[17:01] <tekteen> I have it on windows too
[17:01] <fannagoganna> well, there's also kopete
[17:01] <fannagoganna> for Linux that is
[17:01] <fannagoganna> better webcam support ;)
[17:02]  * tekteen knows nothing about kopete
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> itsjustme: heh... this channel is pretty good :D
[17:04] <khumba-y0> ^^
[17:04] <khumba-y0> ^_^
[17:04] <itsjustme> where is everyone from\
[17:04] <itsjustme> chicago south here
[17:04]  * khumba-y0 <-- from germany
[17:04] <llutz> germany/north :)
[17:04] <itsjustme> lol
[17:04]  * tekteen is from New York (not the city)
[17:05] <Kohlrabi> germany/north
[17:05] <itsjustme> Hilary girl ha?
[17:05] <Tm_T> hey
[17:05] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[17:05] <Kohlrabi> sorry :S
[17:05] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[17:05] <llutz> sry Tm_T
[17:05] <Tm_T> !ohmy
[17:05] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:05] <Tm_T> just to remind you
[17:05] <Tm_T> also
[17:05] <Tm_T> !guidelines
[17:05] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:06] <khumba-y0> ok, we all volunteerly named our places :D
[17:07] <itsjustme> well as stated earlier, I have a Toshiba satallite a205-s4707 with no sound or web video... Is there a driver out there that I can get to fix this??
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | itsjustme
[17:07] <ubotu> itsjustme: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[17:07] <Kohlrabi> What IS a Toshiba satellite? :)
[17:08] <tekteen> Kohlrabi: laptop
[17:08] <Kohlrabi> k
[17:08] <khumba-y0> its a laptop / notebook
[17:08] <itsjustme> yes,, laptop.. Not sure what it uses as hardware
[17:08] <Kohlrabi> itsjustme: a safe bet is checking google for your model and the word, "ubuntu" or "linux" :)
[17:09] <itsjustme> alsa and oss capable but dont see oss in the sound editor just alsa
[17:09] <itsjustme> ill try it  t hx
[17:10] <sigma> stdin: how is kde 4 rc2 compared to rc1?
[17:10] <stdin> sigma: much better
[17:11] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, oss is there ,sytem settings/sound system/Hardware/Open Sound System
[17:12] <sigma> perhaps i should give it a go.
[17:12] <sigma> stdin: is it stable enough for daily use?
[17:13] <stdin> sigma: it's mostly stable, depends on who you are to if it's stable enough
[17:13]  * nosrednaekim uses RC1 for daily use
[17:15] <khumba-y0> bye
[17:17] <sigma> nosrednaekim: how do u manage that, im starting to think that opensuse live kde4 cd i downloaded was seriously tainted
[17:17] <sigma> because it was hopeless
[17:17] <fannagoganna> my experience too
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> sigma: its not too bad, just the panel.
[17:17] <fannagoganna> who knows, by 2010 KDE 4 should be as stable as KDE 3.5 ;)
[17:18] <fannagoganna> at which point trolltech will move to Qt 5 :)
[17:18] <sigma> nosrednaekim: yeah the panel still requires a bit of work, looks like they left it till the end
[17:19] <sigma> stdin: i use a webserver and the office apps alot, and mp3 / video sometimes think it will work ok for me? or maybe i should just wait for the final release
[17:20] <fannagoganna> wait for final release, KDE 3.5.x is about as stable and good a desktop environment as exists in Linux
[17:20] <stdin> you can still use kde3 apps in kde4 if they aren't doing what you want
[17:20] <fannagoganna> although Qt4 is easier to program in than Qt3
[17:21] <jussi01> stdin: how are the kde4 rc2 gutsy backports going? any idea when they will hit?
[17:22] <itsjustme> BluesKja  I went to settings and saw the open and clicked apply and it went 100%   then to yahoo music and " sorry, the sample is unable to be played " to test it
[17:22] <stdin> jussio1: some are there now, but there were some problems with hardy builds (like hal breaking) that slowed it down
[17:22] <jussi01> stdin: ahh, ok
[17:23] <sigma> what is to be expected in the next test release of hardy?
[17:23] <sigma> i saw the first one didnt change much on the outside
[17:23] <marlin> gutsy sucks...:(
[17:23] <sigma> marlin: what did it do to u?
[17:24] <itsjustme> BluesKaj   went to amarok and tried to play a music radio stream and got  Error loading Media  no suitable demux plugin. This often means the file format is not supported...  Is there a way to support it???
[17:25] <jussi01> hmmm, it wants to replace my: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file... do i let it? what does this file contain?
[17:25] <stdin> have a look at the diff
[17:26] <jussi01> stdin: the diff is _huge_ ...
[17:26] <stdin> jussi01: have you edited the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file before?
[17:26] <jussi01> stdin: I dont know... possibly. could you remind me what is likely to be in it?
[17:27] <stdin> jussi01: the settings for KDM
[17:27] <sigma> did you guys read that kde4 developer blog saying that it uses less memory than kde3.5? yippee, i was waiting for that
[17:27] <jussi01> stdin: is it likely the settings I hae changed in gui's have changed the file?
[17:28] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: Which one? If it's the one I think it is, the results were inaccurate,
[17:28] <jussi01> stdin: I dont beleive i have manually edited it
[17:28] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, using music streams on amarok works most of the time if you have the libxine1-ffmpeg codec installed , and it also takes sone patience . Sometimes the strema take up to 20 secs to load and they usually despite that demux plugin error message . I've learned to ignore the message and wait for a bit and try again.
[17:28] <fannagoganna> for mp3 streams, amarok seems to work fine
[17:28] <stdin> jussi01: if you've changed KDM's settings (and want to keep them) then keep what you have now
[17:29] <jussi01> stdin: thank you :D
[17:29] <sigma> SSJ_GZ:yeah its prob that one, some guy left a comment saying that he thought they were inaccurate
[17:29] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3138?
[17:30] <sigma> yup was that one
[17:30] <itsjustme> BluesKaj   Cool but it has been playing for quit a while now in the eq.. and still no sound from the sys.  No speaker in the taskbar either
[17:30] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: If so, Lubos and Thiago are not just "some guy"s ;)
[17:30] <sigma> SSJ_GZ: lol who are they?
[17:31] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: Lubos is the kwin maintainer, and also the guy who wrote *the* study about desktop memory usage.
[17:31] <SSJ_GZ> sigma: Thiago works for Trolltech and is an all-round Clever Guy ;)
[17:32] <user_> hey all.  got a weird problem.  On fresh install of Gutsy, everything works great, except: On boot, grub loads, and says "starting up".  Instead of seeing the "Kubuntu" splash screen, showing load progress, it's just a black screen.  For like 4 minutes.  Then, I can login as normal.  But why is it doing this?
[17:33] <user_> also, if i do a ctrl+alt+f1, it boots quickly, and recovery mode also boots at normal speed (pretty quickly).  Just not a regular boot
[17:33] <johnficca> what is the password and login for the kde 4 rc2 live cd?
[17:33] <Repsa_Jih> I don't think it has a password...
[17:33] <stdin> johnficca: there isn't one, user is "ubuntu" though
[17:34] <Dr_willis> user_,  sounds like the framebuffer is not liking your system. You can disable the framebuffer support for all your boot entries if you like.
[17:34] <sigma> SSJ_GZ: ah i see, big boys in the kde project
[17:34] <johnficca> cuz I have to change my driver for my card in the xorg.conf file then logout for the change to happen.
[17:35] <user_> dr_willis: i noticed my HDD going crazy during this process - so you think that's what it is?  How do i disable frame buffer?
[17:35] <Dr_willis> user_,  not sure why that would be faster however.  They should be booting at about the same speed.  It may just seem slower :)
[17:35] <Dr_willis> !framebuffer
[17:35] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[17:35] <user_> thx
[17:35] <Dr_willis> lets see. in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file the line -------->
[17:35] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, in the terminal type: cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:35] <sigma> is there a command i can run to free up memory?
[17:36] <Dr_willis> user_,  # defoptions=quiet nosplash nofb
[17:36] <itsjustme> BluesKaj       Loaded up the lib codec and the eq is still dancing but the speakers are still sleepin... Checking cat now
[17:36] <Repsa_Jih> sigme: what kind of memory?
[17:36] <Dr_willis> will disable the framebuffer for all menu entries. after you change that file use 'update-grub' to make the changes to the grub menu.
[17:36] <marlin> sigma: cpu 100 bugs problems with compiz... what else do you want to know!!?
[17:37] <user_> dr_willis: i should comment it out?
[17:37] <user_> dr_willis: my line is currently " defoptions=quiet splash "
[17:37] <itsjustme> BluesKaj   m    HDA-Intel  -  HDA Intel                         HDA Intel  at 0xf0b40000 irq 21
[17:37] <Dr_willis> it MUST be commented with the first #
[17:38] <Dr_willis> user_,  add the nofb option to the end
[17:38] <user_> dr_willis: ok will do
[17:38] <Dr_willis> user_,  menu.lst is very weird in how its a config file for grub. and for the update-grub command. :) update-grub actually does read the commented lines. (with 1 #, but not with 2 ##)
[17:38] <sigma> marlin: don't use compiz perhaps? dont u think theres a reason it was left out of kubuntu
[17:39] <sigma> marlin: kwin has a composite function thats being developed in kde4 - compiz-like stuuf
[17:39] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, ok, in the terminal type: sudo asoundconf set-default-card "HDA-Intel"
[17:41] <itsjustme> all it said was Please note that you are attempting to run asoundconf as a privileged superuser, which may have inintended consequences...   But did it do anything???
[17:42] <rwarner> quick question .... what happend to stdio.h?
[17:43] <stdin> rwarner: I don't know, what happened to it?
[17:43] <jussi01> hmmm... where does one report bugs in kde4 rc2?
[17:43] <rwarner> i can't find it to build my app
[17:43]  * genii waits for the punchline
[17:43] <sigma> just out of interest, when connecting kubuntu to a dsl line how does it work? does it work automatically when u put the lan cable in?
[17:43] <stdin> jussi01: to the kde4 devs :)
[17:43] <rwarner> no pucnhline ... :)
[17:44] <stdin> rwarner: have you installed build-essential ?
[17:44] <jussi01> stdin: ok, but in LP? or is there a bug site?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> itsjustme,k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[17:44] <rwarner> i'll check thanks
[17:44] <stdin> jussi01: bugs.kde.org
[17:44] <jussi01> stdin: hehe... should have known...
[17:45] <itsjustme> Anything else to do???  Still no sound
[17:45] <jussi01> !intelhda | itsjustme
[17:45] <ubotu> itsjustme: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[17:45] <rwarner> that was the trick .. ty much
[17:45] <itsjustme> or speaker on the taskbar
[17:46] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, look in the kmenu /Multimedia for kmix
[17:47] <itsjustme> ok,,,,, Im there but what am I looking for???
[17:48] <BluesKaj> kmix
[17:48] <Repsa_Jih> simple put everything at max
[17:48] <itsjustme> the HDA intel is on the bottom
[17:49] <itsjustme> Master  PCM  Digital are the three things there... How do I put a volume icon on the taskbar
[17:50] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, reboot
[17:50] <sfilleul> Hi
[17:50] <itsjustme> ok Ill try it...
[17:50] <itsjustme> rebooting laptop now
[17:51] <sfi> How is possible that firefox looks different when I start it from the kde menu and when it's started by the command line.
[17:52] <itsjustme> well,,  There is the volume icon on the taskbar....  A good sign
[17:54] <itsjustme> Amarok      Radio stream    Eq  dancin   speakers still sleepin
[17:54] <BluesKaj> yes, now open the terminal and type alsamixer , then unmute the ctrls with the M key and set them at 70% or so . Unmuted ctls have "00" in the box
[17:55] <xaka> hi2all! I have dir truetype in /usr/share/fonts, but in /var/log/xorg.log i don't see using this folder (/usr/share/fonts/truetype) - that is ok?
[17:56] <TimS> Anyone reccomed a good todo list program and/or a calendar program? One that does both would be great
[17:56] <itsjustme> alsamixer        function and_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[17:56] <TimS> !todo
[17:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about todo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:56] <TimS> !callendar
[17:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about callendar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:57] <TimS> My spelling sucks
[17:57] <itsjustme> kontact Personal information Manager
[17:57] <Dr_willis> !info kontact
[17:57] <ubotu> kontact: KDE pim application. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7enterprise20070926-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1640 kB, installed size 3540 kB
[18:00] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, did you choose the Linux Sound Architecture in soundsystem ?
[18:00] <itsjustme> Yes advanced
[18:01] <wftl> I'm sure that by now this is an FAQ, but installing RC2 packages, I get . . . trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwriteconfig', which is also in package kdebase-bin
[18:01] <wftl> Can't back out, or go forward.
[18:01] <BluesKaj> itsjustme, perhaps your intel driver neds configging...sorry but i have to run some errands
[18:01] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:02] <itsjustme> ok,  well thanks for trying this has been a tough one for me
[18:12] <michele> Sera a tutti....ho problemi con il flash...in quanto non mi fa usare bene un sito....qualcuno ha dritte?
[18:13] <trappist> !it
[18:13] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:14] <michele> ok sorry
[18:14] <XceII> deuryte
[18:15] <michele> Hello everybody... i have problem whit flash player...because i can not open a link in a website (seafight)...someone has any suggestion?
[18:17] <Dragonath> michele: you can view other flash sites like youtube.com?
[18:17] <michele> yes
[18:18] <acerr> hi.  i just installed Kubuntu 7.1.   i have a pentium dual core.  do i have to do anything special for the kernel to be optimized for that?
[18:19] <Dragonath> michele: can you post the url of the page where you can't open a link?
[18:19] <Dragonath> I'll see if it works with me
[18:19] <sigma> acerr: did u install the 64bit version?
[18:20] <waylandbill> acerr: you could make a kernel tailored specifically for it, but the generic kernel should do just fine. Virtual machines will be able to use kvm and such if that's what you are looking for.
[18:20] <acerr> sigma: no.  dual core is 64 bit?
[18:21] <michele> i have this error message: The filo or the folder tar:/tmp/kde-user/pluginjlu8za.tar.gz/install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt doesn't exist
[18:22] <kop> when do you get that error?
[18:22] <michele> when i open the flash site and it asks me to install the flash player ( i have just installed kubuntu)
[18:23] <waylandbill> !flash
[18:23] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[18:23] <kop> did you dowloaded it from the page?
[18:23] <michele> no...
[18:23] <waylandbill> michele: install flashplugin-nonfree
[18:23] <kop> go to the avobe link
[18:24] <michele> i used the steps that appeared in konqueror
[18:25] <sigma> anyone know where i can find a good 1 page in depth description of kubuntu?
[18:25] <sigma> michele: try firefox
[18:26] <waylandbill> sigma: probably somewhere on kubuntu.org. In reality, it's basically ubuntu with a kde desktop.
[18:26] <kop> exactly
[18:27] <michele> i tried it...with ubuntu....but it didn't work
[18:27] <waylandbill> michele: I just tried installing that package and it seems to have an md5sum checksum error. hmm.
[18:27] <sigma> waylandbill: and one huge load of different programs
[18:28] <waylandbill> sigma: that's because it replaces GTK+ ones with QT/KDE ones.
[18:28] <kop> download the flash player installer from the page
[18:29] <waylandbill> yeah. kop's right. installing from adobe's site should work fine.
[18:29] <kop> what browser are you using
[18:29] <michele> konqueror
[18:29] <kop> if you use firefox it's easy
[18:29] <kop> oh
[18:30] <michele> i had the some problem with firefox
[18:31] <waylandbill> hmm. firefox usually uses the plugin finder.
[18:31] <kop> have you tested doing: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[18:33] <michele> with ubuntu i used firefox...it installed the flashplugin-nonfree... but that site didn't work fine...
[18:33] <michele> with windows it works fine....even with mac.... now i don't know if it is an ubuntu flash problem
[18:34] <jussi01> !flashproblem | michele
[18:34] <trappist> michele: are you using a 64bit system?
[18:34] <leomcabral> is it possible to install kubuntu 7.10 over a previusly 7.04 installation using the live cd of 7.10?
[18:34] <michele> no 32bit
[18:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashproblem - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:34] <jussi01> hmmm
[18:34] <kop> have you used opera
[18:35] <kop> ?
[18:35] <jussi01> michele: flash is currently broken - it will be fixed soon
[18:35] <trappist> leomcabral: yes, you can "install over it", but it will wipe everything out.  if you want to upgrade, I think it's the update manager you want to use.
[18:35] <lingard> is anyone good with wine?
[18:36] <jussi01> !flashissues | michele
[18:36] <ubotu> michele: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. A fix is on its way
[18:36] <Tm_T> lingard: cannibalism isn't endorsed
[18:36] <michele> ah ok.... so there isn't any other solution?
[18:36] <lingard> lol
[18:36] <michele> just wait
[18:36] <trappist> lingard: lots of people are, but you may have better luck asking your question than asking for volunteers to solve a problem when we don't know what the problem is
[18:36] <jussi01> michele: only wait
[18:36] <leomcabral> trappist: but I can upgrade using the live cd? The computer have no internet connection
[18:36] <michele> ok
[18:36] <michele> thanks
[18:36] <jussi01> michele: np's
[18:36] <jussi01> :D
[18:36] <kop> lingard : what are you trying to do?
[18:36] <trappist> leomcabral: I don't know if it has that feature.  I don't think so.
[18:36] <Tm_T> trappist: well said, thanks :)
[18:37] <lingard> ok, i've mounted my ntfs windows disk, when i try to open the programs it just says loading then goes
[18:37] <lingard> is it even possible to run windows apps like this?
[18:37] <leomcabral> trappist: thank you for your help
[18:37] <Dr_willis_> lingard,  ive found it best to reinstall the apps with wine
[18:38] <GrahamA> with a UK keyboard, how do I type the euro sybol on the 4 key?
[18:38] <Dr_willis_> lingard,  that way they install to your .wine dir
[18:38] <lingard> i try to install something and it doesn't do anything either
[18:38] <Dr_willis_> it all depends on the windows program to a very very large extent.
[18:38] <lingard> i've tried ms office 2007 and it doesn't do anything
[18:39] <Dr_willis_> Gee thats a good test program.. :) NOT.. :)
[18:39] <lingard> also civ5, the installer comes up but it won't let me install directx9
[18:39] <Dr_willis_> try something simile like winrar perhaps?
[18:39] <jussi01> msoffice 2007 does not work with wine
[18:39] <kiiz> hi.how do i get a cdma fix wireless terminal to work  with kubuntu
[18:39] <kop> don't install directx 9
[18:39] <Dr_willis_> Games can be very much a hit/miss thing with wine.
[18:39] <waylandbill> lingard: if you want dx9c, then you have a wait. :)
[18:39] <lingard> :(
[18:40] <kop> it comes integrated at least in wine 0.9.50
[18:40] <Dr_willis_> If you Must have openoffice. You may want to check into using xp inside a vmware or virtualbox session.
[18:40] <waylandbill> as far as ms office 2k7, I'm sure open office will do as a replacement once you check it out.
[18:40] <Dr_willis_> Unless of course you are in the few % that use all these weird office fetures. :)
[18:41] <trappist> lingard: office2k7 isn't going to work with wine just yet
[18:41] <trappist> I don't even think it's supported yet in commercial versions like crossover office
[18:41] <lingard> i like to sync with a WMdevice
[18:42] <waylandbill> I'm sure those % of people that use the odd features wouldn't be jumping the MS bandwagon since they probably use odd windows features too. ;-)
[18:42] <lingard> winrar does seem to be installing
[18:43] <Dr_willis_> lingard,  ive used winrar with no hassles (w3ll a few trivial quirks) under wine. :)
[18:43] <Dr_willis_> so it shows that wine can work at least.
[18:44] <lingard> so it'll work for pretty much anything that would run under anything less than xp?
[18:44] <kop> lingard: do you hace last version of wine
[18:44] <lingard> i've only just installed it so i'd guess so
[18:44] <Dr_willis_> wine is quite impressive in that it does work as well as it does. :)
[18:45] <Dr_willis_> The wine in the repos for ubuntu is a little bit out of date.
[18:45] <Dr_willis_> theres a repo that has the lastest wine versions in it. I belive.
[18:45] <lingard> 0.9.46
[18:45] <kop> thats old
[18:45] <Dr_willis_> !easysource
[18:45] <kop> download the newest one on eine page
[18:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[18:45] <kop> it is 0.9.50
[18:45] <trappist> lingard: not exactly, no.  wine will work for most apps that don't use API calls that haven't been implemented in wine.
[18:46] <waylandbill> wine's page has instructions for adding their repo.
[18:46] <Dr_willis_> # Upstream Wine    deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt feisty main     Or so the easysource page says. :)
[18:46] <Dr_willis_> but its proberly best to read the wine pages docs.
[18:47] <kop> yes whith the new version I could play portal! (the mod of half life 2) and no t whith cedeag 6
[18:47] <kop> it is very good
[18:47] <Dr_willis_> The Cake is a Lie!
[18:47] <Dr_willis_> :P
[18:48] <kop> no it is not a lie
[18:48] <kop> i hace it XD
[18:48] <Dr_willis_> I got Carrot Cake.
[18:48] <Dr_willis_> :)
[18:48] <kiiz> is running kubuntu in a vm under windows a bad idea, windows beig a fualt foundation
[18:48] <kop> i got it in the menu
[18:48] <Dr_willis_> kiiz,  its a good way to test out linux and use it. if thats all yu can do.
[18:48] <Dr_willis_> kiiz,  it will be a bit slower then a real install..but very useable.
[18:50] <lingard> when i paste wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add into a terminal windows it says no such directory
[18:50] <lingard> am i doing it right?
[18:50] <stdin> lingard: "wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - "
[18:50] <huXfluX> does apt-get purge package uninstalls the package's deps aswell?
[18:50] <kiiz> Dr_willis_: my problem is that i cant get my internt connection to work in kubuntu.i am thinkg it might work under a vm
[18:50] <Dr_willis_> seesm like they got a extra quote some how
[18:52] <Dr_willis_> kiiz,  and whats your internet connecton then?
[18:52] <Dr_willis_> hmm that wget command aint working right for me either.
[18:52] <Dr_willis_>  wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg gets the key.
[18:52] <Dr_willis_> cat 387EE263.gpg | sudo apt-key add -   aint working either
[18:53] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-key add 387EE263.gpg
[18:53] <Dr_willis_> did :)
[18:54] <stdin> "gpg --recv-keys  387EE263 ; gpg --export -a  387EE263 | sudo apt-key add -" should work too
[18:54] <Dr_willis_>  wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg && sudo apt-key add 387EE263.gpg
[18:54] <Dr_willis_> Yea. not sure what the deal is.
[18:56] <itsjustme> how to delete a foler
[18:56] <itsjustme> folder
[18:56] <nareshov> rm -f folder/
[18:57] <itsjustme> thx
[18:57] <nareshov> -r (NOT f)
[18:57] <kiiz> Dr_willis_: its thru a cdma FWT.
[18:59] <murchadh> I saved a profile in konqueror, screen split in four with samba, swat, joomla and igoogle open. Now I can't get rid of igoogle from the profile. If I open phpadmin (or any other page) and save the profile, close konqueror, and restart it, igoogle is still there. Any ideas why?
[19:00] <lingard> is it possible to install IE on kubuntu?
[19:00] <Dragonath> lingard: might be through wine, there is also a IEtab addon for firefox, but I am unsure whether you can install it on linux
[19:00] <trappist> lingard: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[19:00] <waylandbill> lingard: yes.
[19:02] <kiiz> is there a way to download packages and their dependencies at a go on a windows box
[19:04] <lingard> what does  Uncomment (or add) following lines: mean?
[19:04] <lingard> do i get rid of them?
[19:05] <Dr_willis_> bye allll
[19:05] <waylandbill> lingard: remove the comment character (such as #) that is at the beginning of the line
[19:06] <lingard> and add it if there isn't one?
[19:06] <kalorin> I'd jsut run a vmware instance on linux if you have to have a windows app
[19:06] <kalorin> games not so much
[19:07] <lingard> i downloaded it
[19:07] <waylandbill> lingard: it probably means add the line if it doesn't exist
[19:07] <lingard> i have no idea how to install it though
[19:07] <kalorin> vmware?
[19:07] <kalorin> it's fairly simple
[19:07] <Dragonath> vmware only works with them new dual core cpus, yes?
[19:07] <lingard> yeah
[19:08] <kalorin> dragonath, no it works with single core stuff
[19:08] <lingard> wait, no idea to the last Q
[19:08] <jussi01> Dragonath: no, it works with most cpus
[19:08] <Dragonath> on acceptable speeds?
[19:08] <huXfluX> over the time, the answer to the question 'what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude?' was 'aptitude handles packages and their dependencies better'. Has that changed lately ?
[19:08] <jussi01> I have it working fine on my amd 2800+
[19:08] <kalorin> i ran it on my athlon x64 3200+, an opteron 180 and now my E6750 box
[19:08] <kalorin> all works great
[19:08] <kalorin> and my E6600 workstation at work
[19:08] <jussi01> Dragonath: its more about your ram...
[19:08] <Dragonath> ok
[19:08] <kalorin> 2gb of ram is more than enough for windows and linux
[19:08] <jussi01> Dragonath: id reccomend at least a gig
[19:09] <jussi01> minimum
[19:09] <kalorin> I give windows about 768meg and that's pleanty
[19:09] <Dragonath> will have to upgrade a bit then, thanks
[19:09] <kalorin> ram's way cheap though
[19:10] <misticwarrior> hey
[19:10] <misticwarrior> what's up ?
[19:10] <misticwarrior> I've got a question : How to know wich output plugin I use ? (such as alsa or oss...)
[19:11] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: it's not that simple, different programs use different output plugins
[19:11] <Dragonath> at least that's what I have come to believe
[19:12] <Dragonath> it should be somehwere in a program's preferences or settings
[19:12] <Dragonath> checking out documentation might help
[19:12] <Dragonath> docs for the programs you're wondering about, that is
[19:12] <Bilbo> Anyone know how to restore KDE?  When I startup it goes to (initrmfs) and not KDE.
[19:13] <Bilbo> I am running the Live DVD right now.
[19:13] <Bilbo> What is (initrmfs)?
[19:13] <Dragonath> !initrmfs
[19:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initrmfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:13] <nareshov> !initramfs
[19:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initramfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:13] <nareshov> :O
[19:14] <Bilbo> I need to find a way to get KDE back.
[19:14] <Bilbo> Is there a way to re-install Linux and not loose my current Linux setup?
[19:14] <Dragonath> Bilbo: when it is finished booting, do you see a console login?
[19:14] <jussi01> Bilbo: is it just going to the command line?
[19:14] <Dragonath> you may be able to log in from there and start KDE manually
[19:14] <jussi01> Bilbo: what did you do to cause this?
[19:14] <Bilbo> No.  Just goes to (initrmfs) prompt.
[19:14] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: in fact I want to use mpd. Amarok works fine. But with mpd, I use the client mpc. When I do (after configurations) "mpc play", it says it plays something, but I have no sound. The card is known, cause if I change the name (hw0,1) the play doesn't begin. I configured it using Alsa, but I don't know if Amarok uses alsa...
[19:15] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: In fact I just want to have sound with mpd/mpc......
[19:15] <Bilbo> I went to install XP and messed up, swapped drives, installed XP, then I was told to swap back.
[19:15] <jussi01> misticwarrior: yu can see which engine amarok uses in the settings -> configure amarok -> engine
[19:15] <Bilbo> Now I am trying to get Linux and XP both working.
[19:15] <kiiz> are the dependencies listed for a package the only ones need. or do i have ot get dependencies of a package dependencies
[19:16] <Bilbo> Linux is on a 160GB HD and XP is on a 20GB.
[19:16] <jussi01> Bilbo: my opinion would be to go to windows, copy out your valuable files and reinstall linux - it sounds like you have done some weird stuff
[19:16] <jussi01> but it depends exactly on what you did....
[19:16] <nareshov> kiiz: dependancies are mostly automatically handled
[19:17] <Bilbo> Can I re-install Linux without loosing my current Linux setup and files?
[19:17] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: if you go settings->configure amarok->engine and select alsa as output plugin, do you get sound from mpd then?
[19:17] <jussi01> Bilbo: not really. you need to fix your current install.
[19:17] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: amarok use "xine engine" and "autodetect" instead of alsa...
[19:18] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: try selecting alsa from there
[19:18] <misticwarrior> k wait
[19:18] <Bilbo> I wish I knew how to restore KDE.
[19:18] <Dragonath> if mpd then doesn't give out sound, you might want to check it's settings too
[19:19] <kiiz> nareshov: i can't get my internet conection to work with kubuntu.i am thinking of downloading packages manually on windows
[19:19] <jussi01> Bilbo:exactly what sort of prompt does it give you - i mean, what does it say?
[19:19] <Bilbo> (initrmfs)
[19:19] <Bilbo> It says type help for list of commands.
[19:20] <angasule> WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!  <-- I didn't install any extra repos, why am I getting this? when trying to install qgis
[19:20] <jussi01> Bilbo: and what does help output?
[19:20] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: nothing changes for amarok, neither for mdp. Amarok works, but not mpd... :P
[19:20] <nareshov> kiiz: try aptitude install yourpackage and see what else it requires as run-time dependencies and download them all individually
[19:20] <Bilbo> Just a bunch of words one after another in a good size block.
[19:21] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: have you checked the settings for mpd?
[19:21] <TimS> !ftp
[19:21] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[19:22] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: everything was configured manually following a tutorial
[19:22] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: and I chosed alsa...
[19:22] <misticwarrior> instead of oss
[19:22] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: if you don't find anything in mpd's settings, you might want to try installing the alsa-oss package
[19:22] <Dragonath> ok
[19:23] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: but will it change something with amarok etc. ?
[19:23] <Dragonath> then tryi installing the package, and start mpd through alsa-oss (command would go aoss mpd [arguments])
[19:23] <Dragonath> no
[19:23] <misticwarrior> aoss mpd. k I try... :P
[19:23] <Dragonath> aoss will start mpd in an alsa wrapper, it shouldn't try to grab all the output all to itself
[19:24] <Dragonath> I had the same issue with watching movies from mplayer when amarok was playing, starting mplayer with aoss fixed it
[19:24] <jussi01> Bilbo: what did it say when you started before that?
[19:24] <TimS> !ftpclient
[19:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftpclient - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:24] <zorglu_> q. using kopete, i frequently got popup saying "The user blablbla is is currently not signed in. Messages will not be delivered." but i never sent any msg to this user. is there a way to disable this popup ?
[19:24] <misticwarrior> ok nothing changed... should I let amarok with alsa ? I haven't just now
[19:24] <Bilbo> It was working fine before I started to install XP.
[19:24] <jussi01> TimS: what are you looking for?
[19:25] <TimS> An alternative to FileZilla
[19:25] <MetaMorfoziS> WHo knows what is rafting?
[19:25] <jussi01> TimS: all of those mentioned in !ftp would be options...
[19:25] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: ok, nothing changes, I have no sound...
[19:26] <TimS> Yeah, im gonna try Kasablanca
[19:26] <sigma> why is there no decent description of kubuntu online?
[19:26] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: but I can see it's playing a song...
[19:26] <jussi01> TimS: I use kftpgrabber
[19:26] <TimS> Ill take a look at that too
[19:26] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: and the volume is up enough that you should hear it? (I know it's a silly question)
[19:27] <Dragonath> I am out of ideas to be honest :)
[19:27] <kiiz> is 3d acceleration possible under a virtual box vm
[19:27] <stdin> kiiz: no
[19:28] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: volume : 100%...
[19:29] <Dragonath> then I have nothing else to suggest
[19:29] <misticwarrior> :(
[19:29] <Dragonath> sorry
[19:29] <misticwarrior> no problem...
[19:29] <Dragonath> if you start mpd from the terminal, does it give you any errors btw?
[19:30] <noobuntu> could anyone tell me what im doing wrong with bash redirection? http://www.pastebin.ca/813735
[19:30] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: no... everything works fine... I just have no sound
[19:31] <jpatrick> noobuntu: errors get sent to stdout anyway
[19:31] <stdin> noobuntu: make uses more FDs than std{out,in,err}, use "&> pcsx2builderrors.txt" to grab it all
[19:32] <jpatrick> stdin: oh, thanks for that
[19:32] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: I don't know what else to try, but perhaps there's some irc channels for mpd where you can find out more
[19:33] <kiiz> do i need samba to enable kubuntu access the web thru a windows box
[19:33] <stdin> kiiz: no, samba is only for windows file sharing
[19:34] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: how to find an irc chan ? Is there a search option ?
[19:34] <misticwarrior> Dragonath: forget it :P
[19:34] <Dragonath> misticwarrior: /list gets you the channel list and you can search from there
[19:35] <misticwarrior> thx :)
[19:35] <misticwarrior> I tried mpd... and there is something :d
[19:35] <Dragonath> ok, no worries
[19:35] <stdin> /cs list #*mpd*    is another way
[19:37] <frinuxfr> hi
[19:37] <vicky> hi
[19:37] <PsySine> the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php don't work for me... i can't see a trace of kde4
[19:37] <frinuxfr> is there a gui to add a new service (I installed GCALdaemon in command line, and I want it to start automatically on startup) ?
[19:37] <jpatrick> PsySine: do you have backports enabled?
[19:38] <PsySine> jpatrick: yes
[19:38] <jpatrick> odd
[19:38] <kiiz> i have a kubuntu box with NIC and a windows box with a internet connection(cdma FWT).how do i make kubuntu use in the internet connection o the windows box
[19:38] <stdin> PsySine: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[19:38] <PsySine> stdin: gutsy
[19:39] <ubuntu> c'e' qualche italiano????
[19:39] <stdin> PsySine: you added the ppa repository ?
[19:39] <stdin> !it | ubuntu
[19:39] <ubotu> ubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:39] <PsySine> stdin: yes
[19:39] <stdin> PsySine: and then ran an update?
[19:39] <vicky> kasiser
[19:40] <nbogdanoff> any idea why the following command returns "sed: -e expression #1, char 11: unterminated `s' command"  ---> sed "s/room/`cat list`/" script
[19:40] <PsySine> stdin: oops i think I forgot the update, i'll try again :)
[19:40] <The_Machine> when i play .wav files with Amarok, they're all loud and scratchy
[19:40] <The_Machine> but if i play them with something else they're fine
[19:40] <The_Machine> any thoughts?
[19:40] <The_Machine> (play them w/ audacity, etc. they're fine)
[19:41] <stdin> PsySine: make sure you update and then install the updated kdebase-bin before trying to install kde4
[19:42] <PsySine> stdin: ok, thanks
[19:42] <vicky> nbogdanoff
[19:42] <nbogdanoff> yessum
[19:43] <vicky> u need to give the substitute string -- sed s/<str1>/<str2>/
[19:44] <vicky> s1icknick
[19:44] <s1icknick> i dont think sed will do what i want, then
[19:44] <s1icknick> i want the words from list, to replace only o
[19:44] <s1icknick> or i have to rewrite this
[19:45] <s1icknick> now im ocnfused
[19:51] <spitfire> hi ppl, im new to this kubuntu stuff, and im facing a problem
[19:52] <spitfire> the thing is, im trying to login my MSN account
[19:52] <spitfire> when it enters, i get no contacts
[19:52] <spitfire> and short while after the whole thing closes
[19:52] <spitfire> and gives me an error message
[19:52] <spitfire> plz help
[19:52] <Dragonath> what program are you using for msn?
[19:52] <spitfire> kopete
[19:52] <Dragonath> and what error message?
[19:52] <jussi01> spitfire: which program are you using and what is the error?
[19:53] <jussi01> hehe
[19:53] <spitfire> one sec
[19:54] <s1icknick> maybe this is a better way of explaining what im trying to do... i have this sentence: "you have to setup: room"  i have a list of rooms in file: "list".  taking that same setence and replaceing all the 'room's from the output "list"
[19:55] <spitfire> ok im trying to provoke the error but its not comming up
[19:55] <spitfire> but my contacts are no where to be seen
[19:55] <spitfire> thats the main thing that pisses me off :D
[19:55] <jussi01> spitfire: do remember roughly what it says?
[19:55] <jussi01> !language
[19:55] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[19:56] <spitfire> erm it was kinda like ...  the application your running faced some errors in something ...
[19:56] <jussi01> spitfire: ok. do you know if there actually any of your contacts online?
[19:56] <spitfire> no, because non of then are showing
[19:57] <spitfire> its just a blank contact screen
[19:57] <spitfire> and i yes i have friends :P
[19:57] <jussi01> if there are noe, you probably need to show offline contacts from the settings menu
[19:57] <jussi01> none*
[19:57] <spitfire> aha HERES THE ERROR
[19:58] <spitfire> which part do you need?
[19:58] <Dragonath> did the error say that kopete has trouble identifying with the switchboard server?
[19:58] <spitfire> heres what it says
[19:58] <_athos_> how can I change the calendar format? I want that the week starts on Sunday instead of Monday.
[19:58] <jussi01> _athos_: in which program?
[19:59] <spitfire> the application kopete crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[20:00] <spitfire> and also it says "an application mostly recieves the SIGSEGV signal due to a bug in the application
[20:00] <_athos_> the comand CAL in the bash.
[20:00] <spitfire> is anyone still with me?
[20:01] <_athos_> jussi01: the comand CAL in the bash.
[20:01] <spitfire> ? are you talking to me?
[20:01] <jussi01> _athos_: hmmm, not sure about that one
[20:01] <jussi01> spitfire: wait a moment
[20:01] <spitfire> ok thanks
[20:01] <ubuntu> sera ke pueda aprender ingles aki'@
[20:02] <jussi01> ubuntu: english only please
[20:02] <phantomon> sorry, i don't speak english =(
[20:02] <jussi01> phantomon: which language?
[20:02] <ardchoille> Yes you do ;)
[20:02] <ubuntu> italiano
[20:02] <phantomon> Spanish
[20:03] <ardchoille> !es
[20:03] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:03] <jussi01> !it | phantomon:
[20:03] <ubotu> phantomon:: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[20:03] <phantomon> thank you
[20:04] <sfi> How is it possible that firefox looks different whether I start it from the kde menu or when it's started by the command line ?
[20:04] <kop> do you start it being root in the console?
[20:04] <jussi01> spitfire: please try going and reinstalling kopete in adept
[20:05] <kop> if you do you have 2 configurations one for root and one for your user
[20:05] <sfi> kop: no I start it with the same user
[20:05] <ardchoille> sfi: it is very possible if you're running ff as root in command line, root and user have different configs in their $HOME
[20:06] <sfi> same user guys
[20:06] <ardchoille> Weird
[20:06] <spitfire> jussie01: ok ill try doing that now
[20:06] <spitfire> thanks
[20:06] <jussi01> !tab | spitfire
[20:06] <ubotu> spitfire: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[20:06] <kop> it is strange then
[20:07] <kop> maybe in one of them it starts in safe mode
[20:07] <jussi01> sfi: in what way is it different?
[20:07] <spitfire> jussi01: like that, thanks
[20:07] <jussi01> :D
[20:08] <sfi> jussi01: that s what I would like to know
[20:08] <kop> whats does loof different
[20:08] <kop> ?
[20:08] <spitfire> so another question, when i go to adept, and i click request reinstall, is it suppose to take long
[20:08] <jussi01> sfi: you just said it looks different - I want to know _what_ looks different
[20:08] <jussi01> spitfire: a few mins maybe
[20:08] <spitfire> k thanks
[20:09] <rlj> in the knetworkmanager applet, i find a couple of wireless networks available. some of them are wep/wpa/wpa2 and thus have a padlock icon next to them. however, i've just seen a network which has a "computer system" icon next to it, with a kubuntu logo displayed on the monitor. what does this icon mean?
[20:09] <sfi> command line firefox give me the "regular" brownish unbuntu style. Using the menu give me firefox with the ugly "basic" GTK theme.
[20:10] <jussi01> sfi: please riht click on the menu item, and put into run dialogue - then paste here what is in the rundialogue
[20:10] <jussi01> right*
[20:13] <spitfire> :S im really confused, but im gonna like kubuntu wether i like it or not :D
[20:14] <ardchoille> spitfire: That's the spirit! :)
[20:14] <grul> hahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[20:14] <kiiz> how do i get my kubuntu box to use the internet connection of a windows box
[20:14] <jussi01> spitfire: what happened?
[20:15] <jussi01> spitfire: as an alternative for now, you may want to install kmess
[20:15] <jussi01> spitfire: that will allow you to at least use msn
[20:15] <spitfire> does it have the same functions?
[20:15] <spitfire> thats all i need
[20:15] <spitfire> does it come installed already or do i have to adept it?
[20:15] <jussi01> spitfire: it is supposed to be a msn messenger clone, but does not support oter protocols
[20:15] <smcintyre> kiiz: Specifiy the windwos box as a gateway?
[20:16] <jussi01> spitfire: you need to adept it
[20:16] <diego> ciao
[20:16] <spitfire> jussi01: dude, thanx
[20:16] <jussi01> spitfire: also, which version of kubuntu are you using, and hae you updated recently?
[20:16] <spitfire> im using 7.10 now
[20:17] <jussi01> spitfire: have you updated recently?
[20:17] <diego> ho un problema con linux. qualcuno può aiutarmi?
[20:17] <spitfire> no, i installed kubuntu like 10 minutes ago
[20:17] <spitfire> :S
[20:17] <jussi01> spitfire: from the disk?
[20:18] <spitfire> yea a CD
[20:18] <jussi01> spitfire: there was a problem with the kopete on the cd - an update will fix it
[20:18] <spitfire> how can i update?
[20:18] <jussi01> spitfire: the little package in the sys tray
[20:18] <jussi01> orange one
[20:18] <sfi> jussi01: this is my run command from the menu : "firefox %u"
[20:19] <jussi01> sfi: weird...
[20:19] <kiiz> smcintyre: how is this done .both boxs have NIC.windows box uses cdma FWT for internet access
[20:19] <sfi> yes ! I really don't get it
[20:20] <SudoKing> How do you delete a folder through Konsole (root, permissions do not allow delete in the Desktop)?
[20:20] <spitfire> jussi01: i cant find the package
[20:20] <ardchoille> sfi: Find out if you have any root owned files in your $HOME: find /home/$(whoami)/ -user root
[20:21] <jussi01> spitfire: go to adept and press update
[20:21] <sfi> jussi01: it's like it's using my kde preferences, color scheme, etc, when I click on the bouton. I don't want it.
[20:21] <BluesKaj> SudoKing, sudo rm -rf /folder/where/file/was/installed
[20:21] <sfi> ardchoille: will do
[20:23] <SudoKing> BluesKaj, thanks =D
[20:23] <jussi01> spitfire: sorry, its "fetch updates"
[20:24] <BluesKaj> SudoKing, YW
[20:25] <spitfire> jussi01:  i done that already
[20:25] <sigma_kubuntu> how do u use arial as the default fixed width font?
[20:25] <spitfire> but theres something else as well, theres 'version updates'
[20:26] <jussi01> spitfire: yeah, click that now
[20:26] <jussi01> it should update your system
[20:26] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: system settings > Look & Feel > Fonts
[20:26] <sigma_kubuntu> i tried but it didnt work. u can do it in gnome easily but not kde
[20:26] <jussi01> or the package should now have appeard in your sys tray
[20:26] <sfi> no root files.
[20:26] <ardchoille> sfi: God
[20:27] <ardchoille> *good
[20:27] <spitfire> jussi01: whats the deal with the requesting?
[20:27] <spitfire> why do we have to request, and why does it take so long
[20:27] <sigma_kubuntu> ardchoille: it won't let me select arial - its not in the fixed width font list
[20:28] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: It's not in mine either. Are you sure Ariel is a fixed width font?
[20:28] <ardchoille> sfi: The only other thing I can suggest is to open konsole and type in: whoami
[20:29] <trappist> I'm pretty sure arial is not fixed width
[20:29] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: See what trappist posted
[20:30] <sfi> ardchoille: thx but it's definitly the good user.
[20:30] <ardchoille> sfi: ok
[20:30] <sigma_kubuntu> archoille: its not but can you force it to be one? i want to know why u can in ubuntu but not kubuntu
[20:31] <sfi> One things that can be a hint is that one day I install the qt-gtk package (a bullshit). now I don't have it anymore but I feel like it still have its influence ... like a ghost bouuuh
[20:32] <FLUxXxX-> HELLO! What is the difference between apt-get purge <package> and apt-get autoremove <package> ?
[20:32] <jpatrick> FLUxXxX-: autoremove cleans out packages that are no longer in the repos
[20:33] <ardchoille> FLUxXxX-: purge removes also the configurations for the package, autoremove removes deps that are no longer needed
[20:33] <jussi01> doh... he left
[20:33] <ardchoille> FLUxXxX-: iirc, autoremove does not remove configs
[20:33] <FLUxXxX-> ah, cool
[20:34] <FLUxXxX-> so basically synaptic's mark for complete removal is apt-get --purge autoremove package?
[20:35] <ardchoille> FLUxXxX-: I believe so, yes
[20:35] <FLUxXxX-> thanks
[20:35] <FLUxXxX-> btw
 FLUxXxX-: autoremove cleans out packages that are no longer in the repos
[20:35] <SudoKing> now how do I make a folder available to all programs/users and not just root?
[20:35] <FLUxXxX-> haha:)
[20:36] <SudoKing> er, I mean permissions
[20:36] <ardchoille> FLUxXxX-: I think it's apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove package
[20:36] <FLUxXxX-> SudoKing readable or writeable?
[20:36] <sigma_kubuntu> are there any decent fixed width fonts? monospace is so ugly
[20:36] <SudoKing> writable
[20:36] <FLUxXxX-> chmod 777 dir
[20:36] <FLUxXxX-> or chmod -R 777 dir if you want its subdirs writeable aswell
[20:37] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: I like courier 10 pitch
[20:37] <FLUxXxX-> and all files inside it
[20:37] <jpatrick> FLUxXxX-: arg, that's autoclean, autoremove: remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed.
[20:37] <SudoKing> its still saying permission denied
[20:37] <SudoKing> trying to run a .sh file that writes to the folder
[20:39] <jussi01> SudoKing: you tried runnig the sh with sudo ?
[20:39] <FLUxXxX-> ardchoille:
[20:39] <FLUxXxX->  --auto-remove
[20:39] <FLUxXxX->            If the command is either install or remove, then this option acts like running autoremove command, removing the unused
[20:39] <FLUxXxX->            dependency packages. Configuration Item: APT::Get::AutomaticRemove.
[20:39] <FLUxXxX-> so it's the same
[20:39] <jpatrick> !paste | FLUxXxX-
[20:39] <ubotu> FLUxXxX-: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:39] <Flare183> !paste
[20:39] <kjcole> Looking for a quick audio fix: I think I have too many sound server packages.  Once in a while I get a small pop of sound at random intervals, but nothing consistent.
[20:39] <FLUxXxX-> there is a 3-4 lines acceptable range
[20:40] <SudoKing> jussi01, yea
[20:41] <SudoKing> FLUxXxX, that was 5 :P
[20:42] <spitfire> hey the update cant be 161mb right?
[20:42] <BluesKaj> kjcole, it's stating the obvious but check your output cables and speaker connects first
[20:42] <kjcole> I see  running at the moment "pulseaudio --log-target=syslog -Lmodule-esound-compat-spawnfd",
[20:42] <kjcole> "artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f"
[20:42] <spitfire> Quick question: anyone from Jordan?
[20:42] <kjcole> and "esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 17"
[20:43] <jussi01> spitfire: yes it can
[20:43] <jussi01> spitfire: no Idea...
[20:43] <jussi01> spitfire: and welcome back
[20:43] <jussi01> :SD
[20:43] <SudoKing> jussi01, ran the sh file with "sh launch.sh" but it gives me permission denied after I set the permission on the folder
[20:43] <spitfire> jussi01: but its downloading quite quickly
[20:43] <kjcole> BluesKaj: Already checked.  And I checked the fuse in the woofer.  Seems good.
[20:43] <spitfire> jussi01: thanks
[20:44] <spitfire> how do i register my nickname ::S
[20:44] <BluesKaj> !register
[20:44] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[20:44] <jussi01> SudoKing: and have you run "sudo sh launch.sh" ?
[20:44] <kjcole> BluesKaj: (I haven't yet disconnected it all and tried plugging it in somewhere else, as I do occasionally get that "pop" from the speakers.)
[20:44] <SudoKing> jussi01, I'm in as root on terminal
[20:45] <SudoKing> I think its the program that doesn't have the permissions
[20:45] <SudoKing> =?
[20:45] <jussi01> SudoKing: hmmm... (/me strongly disagrees with being logged in as root...)
[20:46] <SudoKing> why? :P
[20:46] <BluesKaj> running pulseaudio kjcole, not familiar with that
[20:46] <jussi01> !sudo | SudoKing
[20:46] <ubotu> SudoKing: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[20:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulseaudio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:46] <SudoKing> heh I know it can do anything, but that's not really what I wanted
[20:47] <SudoKing> I need to give the file permission to write to a folder
[20:47] <jussi01> !info pulseaudio | BluesKaj
[20:47] <ubotu> blueskaj: pulseaudio: PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.6-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 294 kB, installed size 1036 kB
[20:47] <mikelapy> Where can I change "menu" options without using kcontrol?
[20:48] <ancafe> Hi. I'm spanish. Sorry for my bad english. In Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10, Wine FREEZE the computer when execute it, and WINECFG.... any idea?
[20:49] <SudoKing> hm
[20:49] <mikelapy> ancafe, I use windows in virtual box :)
[20:49] <genii> ancafe Perhaps ask in #winehq channel
[20:49] <jussi01> !es | ancafe
[20:49] <ubotu> ancafe: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> haha that's cool
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> !es
[20:52] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> !es | apt-get
[20:52] <ubotu> apt-get: please see above
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> !es | ancafe
[20:52] <ubotu> ancafe: please see above
[20:52] <jussi01> !botabuse > FLUxXxX-
[20:52] <domme> can i simply upgrade from feisty to current kubuntu or do i have to expect problems because i didnt upgrade for too long?
[20:52] <FLUxXxX-> !de
[20:52] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:53] <BluesKaj> kjcole, how many soundcards are you running into that PulseAudio mixer , you may have only set up as the default . so the configuration to run more than one card at a time has to be in the Pulse Audio config files
[20:53] <DrakeJustice_> anyone here hacked the isolinux.cfg on a blank gutsy?
[20:53] <DrakeJustice_> i need the text-color option...
[20:53] <DrakeJustice_> forgot it...
[20:54] <kjcole> BluesKaj: Only one sound card.  It used to work, but over time, as I've tried to make more multimedia play correctly with IP phone apps, I think I've bolloxed it up.
[20:55] <BluesKaj> ringtones ?
[20:55]  * Chickentikka does it work?
[20:55]  * Chickentikka yes it does
[20:56] <Tm_T> erm
[20:56] <Chickentikka> its ok, im a total noob
[20:56] <Chickentikka> :D
[20:57] <PsySine> is there any way uninstall everything after trying http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php ?
[20:57] <Tm_T> PsySine: umm, install kde4base ?
[20:57] <domme> uuuh there is Tm_T
[20:57] <Tm_T> domme: where is?
[20:57] <domme> there!
[20:58] <domme> look!
[20:58] <domme> stupid old.. lady!
[20:58] <Tm_T> PsySine: I mean uninstall ofcourse
[20:58]  * genii sips a coffee and watches scroll
[20:58] <Tm_T> domme: true there
[20:58] <Tm_T> PsySine: also kde4libs
[20:59] <PsySine> Tm_T: there is kde4libs-bin but uninstalling that would imply amarok, k3b, and other things
[20:59] <PsySine> +ininstalling
[20:59] <PsySine> un*
[20:59] <PsySine> grr
[20:59] <Tm_T> PsySine: and other related libs are...
[21:00] <azerty> salut a tous
[21:00] <Tm_T> azerty: evening
[21:00] <lingard> is there anyway to add virtual ram?
[21:00] <azerty> t ki twa????
[21:01] <Tm_T> !fr | azerty
[21:01] <ubotu> azerty: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[21:01] <Tm_T> lingard: you mean swap?
[21:01] <neville__> Make a bigger swap partition?
[21:01] <Tm_T> !swap | lingard
[21:01] <ubotu> lingard: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough.  Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[21:04] <neville__> 16Mb + Windows 98 on my Pentium 90
[21:04] <Chickentikka> :S how can you stay alive?
[21:04] <neville__> 384Mb on my Windows XP machine