[00:01] <lucas-arg> unity unity unity...
[00:02] <MuNKyN1Nj4> Anyone know how to disable indexing of certain directories in Unity?
[00:02] <Pacman> hello
[00:03] <nvisioncg> Hi, all.  I'm using 11.04 on my Sager NP3101, same as the system76 Ultrathin Lemur, and I am having trouble with my webcam lagging.  Can anyone help?
[00:04] <Pacman> try using cheese
[00:05] <Pacman> its a webcam program
[00:05] <coz_> nvisioncg,  mm I havent even tried my webcam on natty yet,, sorry  I dont think i can help... which video card is onborad? and how do you like the system76 systmes?
[00:05] <nvisioncg> I am not using system76.  I am using a Sager, the same notebook though.
[00:05] <nvisioncg> I have used Cheese
[00:05] <coz_> ah ok and which video card is onboard>?
[00:06] <phibxr> nvisioncg, please define 'lagging'. :) are you using appropriate lighting?
[00:06] <nvisioncg> I can get the camera working but its lagging, low framerate, even in lighted conditions
[00:06] <coz_> nvisioncg,    in terminal      lspci | grep -i vga
[00:07] <phibxr> nvisioncg, I only get a reasonable framerate in full daylight, no matter if I run windows with the official drivers or linux. but if you get a bad framerate in full daylight, it sounds like there may be something wrong indeed.
[00:07] <nvisioncg> INtel GMA HD
[00:07] <coz_> nvisioncg,  that is the readout of that command???
[00:07] <coz_> full readout
[00:07] <nvisioncg> no, that is my card
[00:08] <Ian_Corne> aha yofel
[00:08] <Ian_Corne> i just bumped into your ppa
[00:08] <coz_> nvisioncg,  in terminal     lspci | grep -i vga
[00:08] <Ian_Corne> with powertop 1.97 :D
[00:08] <KM0201> nvisioncg, this might shock you, but there's more than 1 intel gma HD chipset
[00:08] <Ian_Corne> did you add it for the power "bug"?
[00:08] <coz_> nvisioncg,  and paste the entire readout here
[00:08] <nvisioncg> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)
[00:08] <Pacman> ffuck you
[00:08] <coz_> ooo
[00:08] <Logan_> omai
[00:09] <coz_> nvisioncg,  mm let me check if there are issues with that particular revisioin . hold on
[00:12] <nvisioncg> it looks like the specific integrated graphics is GMA X4500MHD
[00:12] <Rods_Tiger> Since I upgraded to natty, minidlna has ceased to function correctly. I see the appropriate folders from my WDTV Live, as before, but it complains there's no media now. Nothing had changed in my minidlna setup, which worked before the natty upgrade.
[00:13] <yofel> Ian_Corne: nope, just wanted to try it since it's an almost complete rewrite of the app, takes a bit getting used to but shows much more details than before
[00:14] <coz_> nvisioncg,  I am not finding any specific issues with that revision   ...
[00:14] <coz_> nvisioncg,   however you may want to look here   http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html   and see if any issues or fixes or tests can be performed
[00:15] <nvisioncg> UVC should work with the webcam.  It's  Chicony webcam
[00:15] <kyubutsu> task
[00:17] <alket> Does Screenlets work in 11.04 ? or similar app like that ?
[00:18] <Ian_Corne> wonder why it's not in the main archives yet
[00:21] <nvisioncg> when I use guvcview, I can adjust certain settings.  I can also move the settings to manual for exposure and the lag stops, but the picture goes really dark
[00:21] <coz_> alket,   I havent tried screenlets yet,, I can reboot and log into natty hold on ,, I will install from there
[00:27] <NickUK`> I'm currently having an issue in Ubuntu 11.04 where I cannot get my wireless to work and cannot install firmware-b43-installer. I'm currently getting the error Errors were encountered while processing: apport apport-gtk E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:27] <coz_> ok screenlets is installed let me test
[00:28] <MikeC> hrm....have a dir structure question if anyone can answer
[00:29] <MikeC> (fedora user thinking of switching but mirrors programs/files locally so seeing what need to possibly do)
[00:31] <coz_> who asked about screenlets?
[00:32] <coz_> whomever,,,, screenlets installed and works
[00:32] <coz_> UBT
[00:32] <coz_> BUT
[00:32] <arand> alket ^
[00:32] <coz_> that darn white graph handle on the bottom right shows up,, I still dont know why that was not make transparent yetr
[00:32] <coz_> alket,    screenlets work on natty / Unity .,yes
[00:33] <coz_> I hate that darn grab handle
[00:33] <arand> MikeC: Please do ask your question..
[00:34] <alket> coz_, thank you very much
[00:34] <coz_> alket,  no problem
[00:34] <coz_> alket,  they dont look nice though
[00:34] <NickUK`> I'm currently having an issue in Ubuntu 11.04 where I cannot get my wireless to work and cannot install firmware-b43-installer. I'm currently getting the error Errors were encountered while processing: apport apport-gtk E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:34] <coz_> alket,  as I said  that "darn"  grab handle is visible apparenlty permanently
[00:34] <alket> :S
[00:35] <KM0201> NickUK`, there was a fix for that the other day, what is your bbroadcom device?
[00:35] <alket> coz_, I never liked them. but I need it for weather since the gweather applet doesnt work anymore
[00:35] <KM0201> NickUK`, but honestly, i thought the fix was released is your system up to date?
[00:35] <NickUK`> I'm currently having an issue in Ubuntu 11.04 where I cannot get my wireless to work and cannot install firmware-b43-installer. I'm currently getting the error Errors were encountered while processing: apport apport-gtk E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:35] <NickUK`> Woops
[00:35] <coz_> alket,  try cairo dock's weather applet
[00:35] <NickUK`> Sorry about that was in my copy and paste
[00:35] <NickUK`> Didn't copy Terminal haha
[00:36] <NickUK`> Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN
[00:36] <nvisioncg> has anyone seen issues with the chicony webcam lagging?   I know system76 uses their driver to make changes to get the webcam working on their Ultrathin Lemur (sager np3101).  Anybody have any idea?
[00:36] <coz_> be right back logging out of natty
[00:37] <NickUK`> Anyone have any ideas on the WiFi not working in 11.04 with the device Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN?
[00:38] <KM0201> NickUK`, have you tried using the STA driver?
[00:38] <NickUK`> STA Drivers?
[00:38] <NickUK`> Just checking them out now.
[00:38] <KM0201> NickUK`, system/admin/additional drivers, do you see the "STA" driver there?
[00:39] <NickUK`> They're active KM0201
[00:39] <NickUK`> 	Subsystem: AMBIT Microsystem Corp. Device [1468:0422]
[00:39] <NickUK`> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19
[00:39] <NickUK`> 	Memory at c3000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[00:39] <NickUK`> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[00:39] <NickUK`> I don't think that's right
[00:39] <KM0201> NickUK`, well if STA is active... you don't need b43....
[00:39] <NickUK`> But I can't see any Wirless
[00:39] <NickUK`> wireless
[00:40] <NickUK`> It isn't even showing in NM
[00:40] <KM0201> NickUK`, are you connected via cable tot he internet?..
[00:40] <NickUK`> At the moment yes
[00:40] <KM0201> NickUK`, ok, are you on the live cd, or did you install?
[00:40] <NickUK`> Upgrade from 10.04
[00:40] <NickUK`> Infact
[00:40] <KM0201> ok
[00:40] <NickUK`> From 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 11.04
[00:41] <KM0201> NickUK`, ... thats probably part of your issue, you skipped 10.10
[00:41] <NickUK`> Ohh.. no
[00:41] <NickUK`> Sorry
[00:41] <NickUK`> I went from 9.10 -> 10.04 -> 10.10 -> 11.04
[00:41] <NickUK`> It was a hell of an upgrade.
[00:41] <NickUK`> But I thought it was about time :P
[00:42] <MikeC> if download the beta2 kunbunu iso I can do a live try out instead of installing correct?
[00:42] <KM0201> NickUK`, go to synaptic, and make sure bcmwl-kernel-source is installed, fi its not, install it
[00:43] <MikeC> kubuntu (- the N ) lol
[00:43] <MikeC> holy crap lol
[00:43] <NickUK`> No apport report written because the error message indicates it's a follow-up error from a previous failure.
[00:43] <NickUK`>                             Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:43] <NickUK`>  apport
[00:43] <NickUK`>  apport-gtk
[00:43] <NickUK`> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[00:44] <KM0201> someone posted a fix for that the other day
[00:44] <KM0201> bu ti thought the fix was already released
[00:44] <KM0201> NickUK`, are you sure you're machine is up to date?... sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:44] <NickUK`> Just doing update at moment
[00:45] <NickUK`> A little slow as I'm downloading some Cisco stuff.
[00:45] <NickUK`> Onto Upgrade at moment then I shall do the distro-upgrade
[00:46] <KM0201> i think it was yofel who told us the fix.. if he's around, he might remember it.
[00:46] <NickUK`> 20~ secs on the Upgrade
[00:47] <NickUK`> Ayup it's just doing apport in this upgrade
[00:47] <NickUK`> Watching for errors at moment.
[00:48] <KM0201> ok
[00:49] <NickUK`> Not the best thing I want to be doing at 1AM after 5 Days at a gaming event with not too much sleep.
[00:49] <NickUK`> But has to be done :P
[00:52] <KM0201> language packs are downloading.. you can tell the release is getting close.
[00:52] <NickUK`> It's more interested in updating  Virtualbox than anything :D
[00:52] <NickUK`> Not bothered about Virtualbox all it runs is an Windows XP for some programming stuff.
[00:53] <NickUK`> I see what you mean I've just hit the Language Packs.
[00:53] <NickUK`> Done
[00:54] <NickUK`> Just going to give it a reboot and I shall be back on to tell you if it's fixed or not :P
[00:54]  * MikeC thinks of better things to do at 1am...like sleep LOL
[00:57] <NickUK`> Nope :(
[00:57] <NickUK`> Still no wireless
[00:59] <NickUK`> KM0201 - You still around?
[01:07] <rexbron_> hi, would someone be able to help me with a dmraid question/problem?
[01:07] <phibxr> !ask | rexbron_
[01:08] <rexbron_> fair enough
[01:08] <rexbron_> dmraid sees but won't activate a raid0 fakeraid set. This is immediately post upgrade
[01:09] <phibxr> rexbron_, never used raid-setups myself, sadly. for me, raids are something you participate in to bring bosses down, but hopefully someone who can help you is awake. :P
[01:10] <rexbron_> phibxr: unfortunately I need the speed and i can't afford 2tb + of ssd ;)
[01:22] <hypetech> Does gwibber in natty use SSL for the chat protocols?
[01:25] <Bing0> Hi.  Will installing Gnome 3 be difficult on the released Natty?  Thanks.
[01:25] <arand> !gnome3
[01:26] <arand> And that is likely how it will remain
[01:31] <Bing0> ok thanks
[01:31] <Bing0> I will give natty a chance, but if after two weeks i don't like it i gota make a decision..
[01:32] <hypetech> Bing0: unity is essentially gnome3 from what I can tell anyway
[01:32] <hypetech> Bing0: feature wise
[01:32] <arand> I would disagree.
[01:33] <Rods_Tiger> Since I upgraded to natty, minidlna has ceased to function correctly. I see the appropriate folders from my WDTV Live, as before, but it complains there's no media now. Nothing had changed in my minidlna setup, which worked before the natty upgrade.
[01:34] <Bing0> hypetech, ya i wouldn't go that far. :)  at least from the videos ive seen of Gnome 3 on youtube
[01:47] <KM0201> has anyone tried compiling the source code of the version of VLC that is in the repos?
[01:51] <KM0201> nobody's tried that?
[01:52] <IdleOne> nobody here who is answering has
[01:52] <IdleOne> :)
[01:52] <KM0201> lol
[01:52] <KM0201> what version of vlc, is in maverick?
[01:52] <IdleOne> !info vlc maverick
[01:53] <KM0201> 1.1.4.... that gives me somewhere to start
[02:16] <fang0654> Is Xinerama broken in 11.04?
[02:17] <KM0201> whats the command to extract a tar.bz2 ?..
[02:17] <KM0201> nevermin,d got it.
[02:17] <fang0654> KM0201: tar jxfv
[02:18] <rww> tar xf file.tar.bz2 will do it too
[02:18] <rww> yay autodetection
[02:19] <fang0654> rww: huh, never knew that
[02:23] <KM0201> when you run checkinstall, where does the .deb get stored so you can save it?
[02:30] <trism> KM0201: 1.1.9 built fine here
[02:30] <KM0201> trism, but is it locking up on you?
[02:30] <KM0201> vlc locking up has been a big complaint
[02:31] <trism> KM0201: haven't tried it yet, still in make install, the one in the repos hasn't locked up on me though
[02:31] <KM0201> trism, really?
[02:31] <KM0201> been lots of complaints about it here in the channel
[02:32] <KM0201> it was locking up my whole PC, requiring a hard reset
[02:32] <KM0201> so i'm compiling an older version.
[02:32] <KM0201> running 0 effects, for what its worth
[02:32] <trism> KM0201: odd, I've been using it daily here without issues
[02:32] <KM0201> trism, wish i could say the same..
[02:44] <KM0201> finally, VLC crashed and didn't crash my entire system..lol
[02:44] <KM0201> at least now i know how to rep;ort it.
[02:45] <itaylor57> KM0201: already upgraded?
[02:45] <KM0201> itaylor57, upgraded?... VLC?.. no, not yet.
[02:46] <KM0201> i guess i should try that irst, huh?
[02:46] <itaylor57> KM0201: no ubuntu
[02:46] <KM0201> itaylor57, oh, yeah, i'm on 11.04
[02:46] <itaylor57> KM0201: i have been thinking about it
[02:47] <KM0201> itaylor57, usually i have no problems, but this VLC thing is frustrating me (of course now its playing perfectly...lol)
[02:47] <itaylor57> KM0201: well going to upgrade later
[02:48] <luckysmack> is it actually possible to set it up so when i plug in my headphones my speakers are muted? so i only get sound from the headphones. every time i try to change a setting so only headphones work it kills all my sound and i have to restart
[02:48] <KM0201> well crap, it just crashed again
[02:49] <luckysmack> heres my soundcard info: http://pastie.org/1833597
[02:55] <Sylphid> hey all, having a sound issue i'm hoping to solve. I have front panel audio jacks that I would like to be able to toggle as the default audio out, what seems to be happening is the 1st audio out app is directed to the  rear audio device and secondary apps are directed to the front audio
[03:04] <rexbron> hey everyone, reboot and shutdown are just taking me to gdm instead of actually doing something (and the reboot options there do the same), suggestions?
[03:09] <ecinxi> i've accidently bricked my system. I hit alt f2 update-manager -d. when it was installing it said 12 minutes remaining for various hours
[03:09] <ecinxi> I reseted the system because it was being unresponsive and I can no longer boot to windows, nor prior versions of linux
[03:21] <ImperialXT> hey I'm trying to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 using update-manager -d
[03:21] <ImperialXT> and it's giving me a bunch of errors like this: W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[03:21] <ImperialXT> should I just remove all my ppa's
[03:21] <ImperialXT> and try again
[03:21] <ImperialXT> or something?
[03:25] <hanasaki> will 11.04 in a few days have the gnome or that new unity?
[03:26] <hanasaki> which version of gnome? which version in kde?
[03:29] <hanasaki> why is openoffice draw and math no longer supported in 11.04?
[03:32] <freaky[t]> is there any program with which i can read ext4 (ubuntu+1) partitions from within win7?
[03:33] <hanasaki> freaky[t]:  there was a ext2? 3? driver I once saw .. for NT
[03:33] <lugkhast> hanasaki: Natty has LibreOffice
[03:33] <hanasaki> lugkhast:  what's that?
[03:33] <hanasaki> lugkhast:  so open office is dead to ubuntu?
[03:33] <lugkhast> hanasaki: It's the community fork of OpenOffice after the Oracle thing
[03:33] <bjsnider> openoffice is dead period
[03:34] <hanasaki> bjsnider:  elaborate?
[03:34] <hanasaki> lugkhast:  bjsnider is there a java fork too ? grin
[03:34] <bjsnider> hanasaki, read the news about how oracle has abandoned it
[03:34] <hanasaki> and virtualbox
[03:34] <bjsnider> they haven't abandoned java
[03:35] <freaky[t]> hanasaki i need ext4 for win7 ...
[03:35] <hanasaki> I wonder about the liscneing thou...
[03:35] <hanasaki> freaky[t]:  sorry.. no idea
[03:35] <hanasaki> freaky[t]:  explain the specifics
[03:35] <freaky[t]> i allready did i need a possibility to read my ubuntu partition (ext4) from within win7
[03:36] <freaky[t]> can anyone suggest any program which actually works? :)
[03:37] <freaky[t]> i need a software from which i can mount the drive
[03:37] <freaky[t]> like with a new drive letter
[03:37] <hanasaki> freaky[t]:  use a fat32 partition instead :)
[03:37] <hanasaki> usable by both win and lin
[03:37] <freaky[t]> no
[03:38] <freaky[t]> i have allready installed linux
[03:38] <freaky[t]> and i want ext4
[03:39] <hanasaki> so there is no openoffice installable for 11.04?
[03:41] <luckysmack> is it actually possible to set it up so when i plug in my headphones my speakers are muted? so i only get sound from the headphones. every time i try to change a setting so only headphones work it kills all my sound and i have to restart. http://pastie.org/1833597
[03:41] <lugkhast> hanasaki: LibreOffice is pretty much the same as OpenOffice in terms of looks/usage
[03:42] <hanasaki> lugkhast:  yes.. I am reading ... so ubuntu pulled out openoffice even as an option?
[03:42] <fa21> its the same tem that develope libre and oo, and libre is actually better and more stable and use less of resources
[03:43] <traskers> After a fresh install off 11.04, I'm missing my Dash launcher icon in the top-left (the Ubuntu icon directly above the Unity launcher), can anyone tell me how to get that icon there?
[03:43] <hanasaki> fa21:  nice sales line :)   the format is the same though .. file format
[03:43] <lugkhast> hanasaki: I've just googled, that looks like the situation
[03:43] <luckysmack> from what i understood, they pulled libre out of the cd install disc because of physical disc space restraints. it gets larger on every release. if you get the dvd version its on there
[03:43] <ecinxi> i've accidently bricked my system. I hit alt f2 update-manager -d. when it was installing it said 12 minutes remaining for various hours
[03:43] <ecinxi> I reseted the system because it was being unresponsive and I can no longer boot to windows, nor prior versions of linux
[03:43] <fa21> hanasaki, actually I dont use any office softwares. putty is my way
[03:43] <hanasaki> so is gnome gone from 11.04 and now its unity?
[03:44] <rww> !unity
[03:44] <hanasaki> fa21:  I have folks that send me ms-o docs :|
[03:44] <ImperialXT> hanasaki:  yes essentially
[03:44] <hanasaki> thanks rww
[03:44] <lugkhast> hanasaki: Unity still feels very GNOME-ish
[03:44] <traskers> hanasaki, Unity is the default, but the classic Gnome interface is still available.
[03:44] <lugkhast> (to me at least)
[03:44] <rww> no, not essentially. The underlying system and applications are GNOME, just the panels got replaced with Unity
[03:44] <rww> just like we've been replacing Epiphany with Firefox for forever ;P
[03:45] <fa21> hanasaki, its the same team, oracle will probably drop the development and the programmers made the 'fork' libre is oo
[03:45] <hanasaki> traskers:  so will an upgrade still be classic? or will it switch to the default unity?
[03:45] <hanasaki> fa21:  hmmm mysql forked too?
[03:45] <fa21> mariadb
[03:45] <rww> Ubuntu was already using the patches that became LibreOffice anyway, so it made a lot of sense for us to switch to it ;P
[03:46] <traskers> hanasaki, it has both installed, but by default it will log you into the Unity (called "Ubuntu" at the login screen) by default, but you can switch that at any time by choosing "Classic" from the login screen (I believe it's called Classic..)
[03:46] <hanasaki> nice! w/o a logout/login?
[03:46] <hanasaki> how do unity / classic and kde compare for speed and ram usage?
[03:47] <traskers> hanasaki, technically, I think you could, but it's much easier to logout/login under the other environment :P
[03:47] <hanasaki> still uses gdm?
[03:47] <traskers> Yuss.
[03:47] <lugkhast> yup
[03:47] <hanasaki> ug.. can you theme it?  all that died a few versions ago...
[03:48] <lugkhast> yup
[03:48] <hanasaki> xmdp work again?
[03:49] <Sylphid> ecinxi: im assuming your running from a live cd, if so try a grub reinstall  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[03:49] <hanasaki> is there an easy way to bring up a login window for 11.04?  like vnc but to login / not to connect to an existing login
[03:51] <Sylphid> hanasaki: XDMCP
[03:51] <hanasaki> Sylphid:  yes.  that ;)
[03:51] <ecinxi> Sylphid, I don't think it's a live cd. I think i installed originally from a USB stick but that was moths ago and I don't remember.
[03:51] <ejv> does that power regression article on phoronix have any accuracy? if so, anyone know if it's being worked on for the upcoming release? :)
[03:51] <Auzy> g'day.. Just wondering how stable unity is currently?
[03:51] <hanasaki> Sylphid:  it hasn't worked in gdm for at least 2 versions... and I need it encrypted
[03:51] <hanasaki> like rdp
[03:52] <Sylphid> X11 forwarding
[03:52] <ecinxi> Sylphid, I probably don't know the exact definition of live cd anyways, so maybe it is. and I think grub is broken since i can't boot in windows either
[03:52] <Sylphid> ecinxi: if your not booting from the hard drive then any live linux image should be sufficient
[03:53] <hanasaki> Sylphid:  yes.. however that works with an existing session.. and my folks don't do comand lines lol :(
[03:53] <Sylphid> xming
[03:53] <hanasaki> hmm yes.. but xming does not do the ssh port forwarding .. does it?
[03:54] <hanasaki> does unity 3D compiz run ok over vnc?
[03:54] <Sylphid> hmmm..... not sure
[03:54] <hanasaki> been lots of issues posted on the current gnome about that
[03:54] <hanasaki> so is unity a ubuntu only thing?
[03:55] <hanasaki> is there a good comparison between gnome,unity,kde?
[03:55] <ecinxi> Sylphid, I'm probably not understanding. I do boot from my hard drive, but it broke last week when i try to update. So what i need to do is download a linux ISO put it on a USB and boot from that and click install grub?
[03:56] <trism> hanasaki: it runs alright with x11vnc and -noxdamage but sometimes the windows don't appear until you click them
[03:56] <hanasaki> ah
[03:56] <hanasaki> and unity is lgpl?
[03:57] <hanasaki> just thinking about not getting ubuntu lockin with unity... is that the case?
[03:58] <rww> hanasaki: Unity is dual-licensed under GPL3 and LGPL3, I believe
[03:58] <ecinxi> hanasaki,  I may be wrong but unity ma have been developed by canonical, same company that made ubuntu
[03:58] <rww> Unity is owned by Canonical, yes.
[03:58] <Sylphid> ecinxi: are talking from the broken computer? If so what did you boot from?
[03:58] <ecinxi> no, I'm on a different laptop, Sylphid
[03:58] <hanasaki> ecinxi:  yes... thus I want to be sure I can use it ok in debian or fedora or mint
[03:59] <rww> You can, if they package it. I don't know if they plan to.
[03:59] <ecinxi> i doubt it too
[04:00] <Sylphid> ecinxi: ok so the usb drive you have does not currently have a live image on it correct?
[04:01] <ecinxi> no, maybe
[04:01] <ecinxi> Let me look for a USB stick
[04:07] <itaylor57> upgraded in about an hour, not too bad
[04:14] <ecinxi> Sylphid, I found a USB stick with some version of ubuntu in it
[04:15] <ecinxi> it says on the readme natty narwhal, so it's not theversion I originally installed on that computer, since I think the OS was kubuntu 1.10
[04:15] <ecinxi> 10.10*
[04:18] <Sylphid> ecinxi: that should work, pop it in and boot from it then do the grub reinstall
[04:23] <hanasaki> don't see it... is gnome3 in 11.04 or not
[04:24] <genii-around> Not
[04:24] <rww> !gnome3
[04:24] <hanasaki> thought ubuntu released with the most current gnome like 1 month after....
[04:24] <rww> not in this case. too many chances to test in so short a time
[04:25] <rww> !gnome3 =~ s/PPA/PPA for natty/
[04:25] <hanasaki> so we wait till oct 2011 or it will come out in a few months
[04:25] <rww> ubottu: what.
[04:25] <rww> oh.
[04:25] <rww> !gnome3-#ubuntu+1 =~ s/PPA/PPA for natty/
[04:26] <hanasaki> wondering.. I may give kde a try...
[04:27] <hanasaki> kde 4.6 in ubuntu?
[04:27] <rww> hanasaki: yes
[04:28] <hanasaki> choices are nice
[04:35] <rexbron> I'm having an issue with pulseaudio, none of my hardware devices show up and I have no sound after the upgrade. If I start the pulse server in a root terminal, my hardware gets detected. If I run as a regular user, I get pa_pid_file_create() failed
[04:35] <rexbron> has anyone else seen or been able to fix this?
[04:54] <ecinxi> Sylphid, When i boot up to the usb i get a menu 'UNetbootin'  options a) Default b) help c) try ubuntu with out installing d) Install Ubuntu e) check disc for defects f) test memory g) bootk from first hard disk
[04:55] <tsm_ice9> hello, anyone have any luck  with libmotif3 in natty by chance?
[04:58] <ecinxi> hanasaki you can go with kubuntu
[04:58] <ecinxi> so you wont have to install kubuntu-desktop, which gives you kde
[04:58] <Sylphid> ecinxi: use the try
[05:04] <xTheGoat121x> If we are currently using a beta of Natty, come release day, we'll be able to just do a straight upgrade, correct? Or is it better to do a complete reinstall?
[05:07] <trism> xTheGoat121x: yes just normal updates will get you there
[05:09] <xTheGoat121x> Thank you!
[05:15] <ecinxi> sylphid im booted up but I don't know where grub is
[05:15] <Auzy> xTheGoat121x: But its recommended to use the stable version, if you need stability
[05:17] <xTheGoat121x> Auzy, I upgraded to the beta for testing, I just was wondering if I'd have to reinstall come release time.
[05:18] <Auzy> ok.. i am installing stable now actually.. Just some people are installing the beta now, and don't realise they might suffer in the process
[05:19] <hanasaki> does empathy yet work over http proxies?
[05:23] <Sylphid> ecinxi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[05:24] <ecinxi> thanks
[05:32] <bitplane> just updated today... got some things to report but don't know if they've already been raised, so I'll just dump them here for now:
[05:33] <bitplane> 1) ATI driver issues appear to be resolved, I can use Unity now :) .... I have 3 monitors, the sidebar is on my rightmost monitor. I'm guessing that's not intended.
[05:34] <bitplane> pressing printscreen doesn't give me any option to save a screenshot of this
[05:35] <bitplane> right clicking on this bar thing doesn't do anything, which sucks. I was expecting something to pop up and at least tell me what it's called
[05:35] <bitplane> 2) changing settings in ccsm scrambles the render target for the entire menu bar until I log in again
[05:37] <bitplane> 3) another compiz issue: when I enable desktop cube CSSM complains that unity plugin requires large desktop, but cube also provides this
[05:37] <bitplane> so it asks me to disable it, which is unnecessary
[05:39] <bitplane> cube deformation appears to be missing all of its settings, and there are compiz/fusion textures on the top and bottom of my desktop cube, pretty sure I disabled those but can't find a place to disable them again
[05:39] <bitplane> problem could be between keyboard and chair
[05:40] <bitplane> workspace switcher taskbar thing doesn't have any way to change the number of workspaces, which sucks
[05:41] <bitplane> when clicking the drop down top menu thing my volume buttons don't work
[05:41] <bitplane> pretty sure in Gnome it used to show me some current volume overlay when I changed the volume on the keyboard
[05:43] <ecinxi> Sylphid, I don't know what I did wrong.
[05:44] <ecinxi> I did sudo fdisk -l , sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt,  sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[05:44] <ecinxi> 1 sec, i skipped a step sudo update-grub
[05:44] <bitplane> finally, when I maximize a window on the monitor with the sidebarthing, it dodges out of the way when I try to access it, I have to restore the window to be able to touch it
[05:46] <hanasaki> how do you get the appearance / effects back in gnome classic for 11.04?
[05:47] <bitplane> you mean compiz things?
[05:47] <hanasaki> ya
[05:47] <bitplane> ccsm
[05:47] <hanasaki> ccsm?
[05:47] <rww> !ccsm
[05:47] <bitplane> type ccsm in a terminal
[05:48] <bitplane> or it's in the ... erm ... menu that I can't see because I'm in Unity and my menu bar is all scrambled
[05:48] <ecinxi> is unity the best for a touch screen tablet?
[05:48] <bitplane> like someone dropped the texture and is now rendering random memory areas to the screen
[05:49] <ecinxi> windows 7, kde, gnome?
[05:50] <hanasaki> compizconfig-settings-manager    what gnome menu item does this make where
[05:50] <bitplane> hanasaki, compiz settings or something in the rightmost menu under preferences
[05:51] <hanasaki> thanks
[05:51] <bitplane> ecinixi: I dunno, I'm on a desktop. haven't used a touchscreen device. I would guess a windowing system made for touch devices like Android would be best
[05:52] <ecinxi> that makes sense
[05:52] <hanasaki> hmm wobbly windows are better before 11.04
[05:52] <bitplane> yeah the framerate seems bad
[05:52] <ecinxi> but I have not an ipad clone but an i7 with 8mb of RAM
[05:52] <bitplane> wow i7 with 8gb of ram and no keyboard?!
[05:53] <ecinxi> and there are things that I like to do that i can't with android because lake of software like latex and programming
[05:53] <ecinxi> I have a keyboard, although there are i7 w/ 8gb and no keyboard
[05:53] <ecinxi> i think by motion computing
[05:54] <hanasaki> hmmm login screen settings .. unlock does nothing....
[05:54] <ecinxi> my windows 7 killer app is microsoft oneNote. otherwise i'd probably use linux exclusively
[05:55] <bitplane> oneNote? I never really got into that, but a few people use it in work (contracting for microsoft atm)
[05:56] <ecinxi> microsoft has great software
[05:56] <ecinxi> all the office apps
[05:56] <hanasaki> are both : dhcp3-client  AND isc-dhcp-client needed?
[05:56] <bitplane> yeah they make some okay stuff I guess
[05:56] <ecinxi> but thank libreoffice for great competition
[05:57] <bitplane> I don't like this new ribbon thing they've made in the latest office
[05:57] <ecinxi> i use libre, withthe exception of onenote
[05:57] <bitplane> I used to be able to use MS Office, now it seems all the options I need are hidden so deep in the ribbon that it would be quicker to use libre office
[05:57] <ecinxi> bitplane, it only works if you use word, excel or w/e day in and day out
[05:58] <ecinxi> and it's better than the old menus
[05:58] <bitplane> how?
[05:58] <jbicha> hanasaki: no, isc-dhcp-client replaces dhcp3-client
[05:58] <hanasaki> hm the upgrade did not get rid of dhcp3-client
[05:58] <ecinxi> only if you use it day in and day out. like in one note i can get what i need quick because the pictures. in the ribbon. but when you use word or what not casually it doesn't work
[05:59] <bitplane> the idea of a menu system is to have all your options somewhere you can find them. changing where they are like that kills productivity
[05:59] <ecinxi> they need to keep both systems and have the user choose
[05:59] <ecinxi> are you a vim user?
[06:00] <bitplane> no, I used to use vi though many years ago
[06:00] <ecinxi> think of the ribbon system as VIm. improves productivity when you are used to it
[06:00] <ecinxi> for the mass it doesnt work
[06:01] <ecinxi> for secretaries with proper training it works.
[06:01] <bitplane> seems to me like they've throwing away their main advantage, that people know how to use their software because they have used it for years
[06:01] <ecinxi> also for apps like vizio when you are dealing with pictures a lot
[06:01] <ecinxi> bitplane,  i agree
[06:02] <bitplane> secretaries with proper training can use an Amstrad WPC-90 with green screen and write letters efficiently
[06:02] <ecinxi> but it's not like before either.. where office was $300 plus dollars
[06:02] <ecinxi> students can get it from $15 -50 bucks
[06:02] <ecinxi> and anyone else for $99
[06:03] <ecinxi> << didn't pay $15 because I use free office
[06:03] <bitplane> I use Google Docs for all my personal stuff and prefer to use web apps in work where possible
[06:04] <ecinxi> i like latex
[06:04] <bitplane> shame that there's no good open source alternative to google docs, not that I'm aware of anyway
[06:04] <ecinxi> and google docs doesnt supprot it :(
[06:05] <bitplane> would be a pretty big challenge supporting latex wouldn't it?
[06:05] <ecinxi> nope
[06:05] <bitplane> isn't there all kinds of markup for mathematical notation etc?
[06:05] <ecinxi> yeah
[06:05] <ecinxi> google docs actually has support for that
[06:05] <ecinxi> but not for general latex
[06:06] <ecinxi> latex aleviates fustrations i had with word/ and libre
[06:06] <ecinxi> like putting text to the right of  apicture
[06:06] <ecinxi> formatting stuff
[06:07] <bitplane> hehe I don't do much formatting :D
[06:07] <ecinxi> I know
[06:07] <ecinxi> a) you use google docs b) hate MS ribbon
[06:08] <ecinxi> change b)  to still can't find what your looking for in the ribbon
[06:08] <bitplane> change b to "press alt+i, t" doesn't insert a table
[06:09] <ecinxi> lol
[06:09] <ecinxi> i think u can change the shortcuts
[06:09] <ecinxi> not sure
[06:09] <ecinxi> I'm not a fan of memorization
[06:09] <izinucs> yet you use latex.. lots of memorization there...
[06:09] <ecinxi> and with a decent touch system short cuts would be a thing of the past
[06:10] <bitplane> yikes... it's 6am, if I don't get in bed before she gets up I'm in trouble
[06:10] <bitplane> night!
[06:10] <ecinxi> izinucs, not much, but i use it for everything. class notes, psuedo code, programming (for print)
[06:10] <ecinxi> bitplane, peace..
[06:40] <jo-erlend> is it possible to remove the installable applications part of the dash? I think it's utterly useless.
[07:22] <sveinse> What are the differences between unity and classic? The obvious dash and the unity launcher. The fullscreen/global menus are another. Other?
[07:33] <Saamm> help cannot update via terminal synaptic and software center...getting error ---> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages
[07:34] <freaky[t]> hi all, i got a question. I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and now the boot splash and grub background is blue and it says booting kubuntu but i want it back to ubuntu how do i do that?
[07:43] <jamil_1> Hello, I am having trouble with mouse. Mouse doesn't perform the context action specific to application. For example in nautilus dragging mouse moves the entire windows rather than selecting items
[07:46] <Jordan_U> jamil_1: Is your alt key broken? (That's what should happen if alt is being held down).
[07:48] <perscitus> Ubuntu 11.04 just more buggy in the last couple days
[07:49] <jamil_1> yeah with alt it seems to work
[07:50] <Jordan_U> jamil_1: What do you mean by that exactly?
[07:50] <jamil_1> with alt context menu, and in-application buttons etc start to work normally
[07:51] <Jordan_U> jamil_1: With alt held down?
[07:51] <jamil_1> yes
[07:51] <jamil_1> srry I didnt explain well
[07:52] <Jordan_U> That's odd. And it stops working when you stop holding alt?
[07:52] <jamil_1> yp
[07:52] <jamil_1> Jordan_U: earlier on this forum I was suggested to tweak settings in compiz
[07:53] <jamil_1> Jordan_U: but there are too many options.
[07:53] <Jordan_U> There should be no possible compiz setting that would have this effect.
[07:53] <jamil_1> Jordan_U: also playing with few options resulted in crashing of unity itself
[07:54] <Jordan_U> That seems to be unfortunately common :(
[07:55] <perscitus> both gnome3 and unity both lack some serious customization
[07:56] <sveinse> Why should I use unity? (over classic)?
[07:56] <sveinse> OK, you've got dash
[07:56] <jamil_1> actually this is a good question....
[07:57] <sveinse> I'm back at classic because workspace navigation is just too cumbersome with unity
[07:57] <sveinse> When you have 8 workspaces like I do with a handful of apps in each, the launcher becomes _very_ cluttered
[07:57] <kyubutsu> and thus, you've answered your own question
[07:58] <kyubutsu> i like unity
[07:58] <perscitus> sveinse, Cuz classic is gone in 11.10
[07:58] <sveinse> but my question where what other features does unity have except dash and the launcher (and the global menu thing)?
[07:59] <perscitus> nothing
[07:59] <kyubutsu> why does it matter, you just stated you do not like unity..
[08:00] <sveinse> I welcome unity. But it's not quite what I need in respect of workflow
[08:02] <sveinse> In fact I assume that the workspace switching will be fixed by 11.10 because all other heavy workspace users can't cope with the way it is implemented today
[08:02] <sveinse> Even Mark Shuttleworth stated that the launcher should not display all open apps from all workspaces, yet it does
[08:03] <sveinse> So: unity, yes please, but I'll come back when it has matured a bit
[08:08]  * Jordan_U always uses alt+tab
[08:10] <topyli> who cares what mark has written in his blog at some time? he can change his mind. the technical board can disagree with him. things may not work out the way he'd like to
[08:17] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh man, can't wait for natty to come out. I have a computer waiting for it. it's all partitioned and ready to go....
[08:20] <rach0> is there any way to make emerald decorators work in natty? and will emerald be supported at all in 11.04?
[08:30] <sveinse> topyli: Do you say that it is intended to show all open apps from all workspaces on the launcher? seriously? If that is the case, then it proves my point that ubuntu is moving away from the concepts of workspaces...
[08:31] <topyli> sveinse: no idea whether it's intended or an accident. the old window list applet shows windows from the current workspace by default, with all workspaces as an option (which i used)
[08:31] <topyli> so yes, it would be a change in defaults
[08:32] <sveinse> we'll see eventually
[08:32] <topyli> as for moving away from workspaces, i'm all for it :)
[08:33] <topyli> (as a default anyway. EVERY newbie i have introduced to ubuntu has been utterly confused about them)
[08:34] <kyubutsu> it is safe to say casual home users dont actually have need of multiple desktops
[08:34] <Spaz_Dynamic> when I found ubuntu (from windows, and mac years before that) and discovered the workspaces, I was amazed and fell in love with them very quickly
[08:35] <topyli> well me too, and i quickly even implemented them on windows when i was still occasionally using it
[08:35] <sveinse> I could not disagree more. Workspaces is what separates win from linux. When I am at my most active I use 8 workspaces with like 5-10 apps per workspace, so I _need_ it.
[08:35] <topyli> haven't used them in years now though
[08:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> windows can have workspaces?
[08:36] <topyli> sure, there are little freeware utilities to do it
[08:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> oh, that way
[08:36] <topyli> virtuawin for example, which is free software to boot :)
[08:36] <sveinse> I think I've seen a workspace-ish hack somewhere for win, but I've never used it
[08:36] <Spaz_Dynamic> I like being able to do things natively, not with random programs
[08:37] <Spaz_Dynamic> though there are some utilities on windows that I love that are from odd ends of the interwebz
[08:37] <Feldegast> Spaz_Dynamic there is a powertoy to do it iirc
[08:37] <kyubutsu> am fine with only 2 workspaces yet unity gives me 4.  the horror
[08:38] <Spaz_Dynamic> haha, you can change it
[08:39] <kyubutsu> but hey, unlike alot of folk out there, i adapt to the system. if i found natty/unity difficult to work with, i be using something else...
[08:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> yea. I have a question. does gnome get fixed in natty? It had several miscellaneous graphical errors for me
[08:40] <Spaz_Dynamic> and they weren't always there either
[08:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> one boot they would be, one they wouldn't,
[08:41] <Feldegast> how do i make keyboard selections persistant across reboots? having to fix my keyboard each time is getting old quickly
[08:41] <Spaz_Dynamic> such as a white block next to the show desktop button
[08:42] <Spaz_Dynamic> or the icons in the top right pannel getting all kinds of quirky
[08:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> actually, it's approaching 4 am
[08:43] <Spaz_Dynamic> i'm going to go xD
[08:43] <kyubutsu> you should run a comparison between 7.10 and 11.04..
[08:45] <kyubutsu> well.. effects work fine on the open source ati driver.. but not so with 3d rendering
[08:45] <kyubutsu> [i used secondlife to test]
[08:47] <kyubutsu> kind of expected that anyway..
[08:48]  * kyubutsu installs fglrx
[08:51] <kyubutsu> however, in my testing i have found fglrx to be less elegant about system effects than open source driver
[08:52] <kyubutsu> small price to pay for a bit of gaming
[08:52] <kyubutsu> lulz
[08:53]  * kyubutsu reboots
[08:59] <nikolai_> hey all ~ loving 11.04 - one thing though: upgraded my netbook from 10.10 UNR to 11.04 > everything works fine but i have no shadow on unity panel (installed ccsm and made sure png is enabled) Any other ideas?
[09:00] <zniavre_> you should replace the panel-shadow.png by blank png in usr/share/unity/3
[09:00] <zniavre_> ooops forget it wrong answer
[09:01] <nikolai_> :P
[09:01] <zniavre_> but you can check if this file is there ...
[09:01] <nikolai_> on it
[09:02] <nikolai_> the folder is there
[09:02] <nikolai_> what' the specific png?
[09:02] <nikolai_> panel-shadow.png?
[09:02] <nikolai_> it's there
[09:02] <zniavre_> so i do not know
[09:02] <zniavre_> it should be used
[09:02] <nikolai_> yeah
[09:02] <nikolai_> thanks anyhow
[09:03] <zniavre_> try to change your background
[09:03] <zniavre_> by lighter one
[09:03] <zniavre_> maybe yours is darker than shadow
[09:04] <nikolai_> i thought maybe that was it too
[09:04] <nikolai_> using a bright one right now
[09:04] <zniavre_> :o(
[09:05] <nikolai_> http://i.imgur.com/l8Eoa.png
[09:06]  * zniavre_ is crying when he sees some un tiy desktop
[09:06] <zniavre_> unity*
[09:06] <nikolai_> not a fan? :P
[09:07] <zniavre_> no at all my hardware can't run unity correctly
[09:07] <nikolai_> ah
[09:07] <nikolai_> not even 2d?
[09:07] <zniavre_> qt vs gtk im a bit agoinst the mix
[09:07] <nikolai_> i was using 2d in 10.10 because it was sluggish on my intel gma
[09:07] <nikolai_> but its snappy this time about
[09:08] <zniavre_> and unity-2d is not the "experience mark's told us in his blog
[09:08] <nikolai_> i see
[09:09] <zniavre_> i am in unconfortable situation unity can't run but compiz -in classic session can
[09:10] <zniavre_> and funny thing unity run fine in vbox even in full screen in my unsuported hardware
[09:10] <zniavre_> :o)
[09:11] <nikolai_> weird
[09:12] <zniavre_> is nt it ?
[09:14] <nikolai_> battery life is much better
[09:14] <nikolai_> getting better time than i was in windows
[09:24] <nikolai_> i wonder what else i could try
[09:24] <nikolai_> other than a clean install
[09:25] <nikolai_> i guess i could just make the menu more transparent
[09:28] <nikolai_> odd
[09:28] <nikolai_> just disabled png
[09:28] <nikolai_> and now i see the shadow
[09:28] <nikolai_> but unity isnt painting correctly
[09:30] <nikolai_> gonna go experiment, thanks for the help -- i'll be back
[09:32] <tsm_ice9> log out, change session to ubuntu classic... problem solved :D
[09:34] <nikolai_> well that was fast
[09:34] <nikolai_> i fixed it
[09:34] <nikolai_> :D
[09:34] <tsm_ice9> by going back to regular gnome? 'cause that's what I did out of the box :p
[09:34] <nikolai_> disabling png logging out enabling png logging out
[09:35] <nikolai_> seemed to do the trick
[09:35] <AlanBell> hi all
[09:35] <nikolai_> hello
[09:35] <AlanBell> any reports of bootloader failing to install from yesterdays daily iso?
[09:36] <jatt> can unity be removed and replaced by the old classic gnome interface?
[09:36] <tsm_ice9> jatt, yes
[09:36] <tsm_ice9> at the login screen, at the bottom there's an option called "session"
[09:36] <nikolai_> if you're on 11.04 you can just select the classic profile
[09:36] <tsm_ice9> change the session to ubuntu_classic
[09:37] <jatt> ok, but can be unity completely removed or does it has a reverse dependency with ubuntu-desktop and will it remove a lot of additional stuff with it
[09:39] <tsm_ice9> I dunno if there's much reason to remove it anyway
[09:39] <zniavre_> cause if we can't use it it's a pain to get in in gdm list
[09:39] <jatt> so you cannot remove it
[09:39] <jatt> I am planning to use the old gnome interface exclusively
[09:40] <tsm_ice9> it's not that bad, you can switch to it once and it will be the default option every time you log in after that
[09:41] <nikolai_> you can try
[09:41] <nikolai_> but i would back up
[09:41] <nikolai_> well
[09:42] <nikolai_> it's not even that dangerous
[09:42] <nikolai_> you can just reinstall unity
[09:42] <nikolai_> might as well give it a shot
[09:42] <tsm_ice9> the hard disk space you get back is probably negligible, I would just leave it *shrug
[09:43] <nikolai_> is there still a way to show all applications in Nautilus?
[09:43] <jatt> I have unity on another laptop it is too slow that's why I want the old interface in this one
[09:45] <alvin> Is there a known workaround for bug 760632? My memory lapses several times a day, and I keep crashing my system by accident.
[09:48] <zniavre_> jatt,  im using gnome-core , after unity cannot run into myhardware i unistlled it (it only delete xchat-indicator dep of libunity4)
[09:48] <zniavre_> uninstalled *
[09:49] <jatt> zniavre_: great thanks I will try it out
[09:51] <Adys> alvin: tried disabling compositing?
[09:51] <Adys> it's a long shot
[09:52] <Adys> huh look at that. it does lock up the system.
[09:54] <nikolai_> i am quite satisfied with the performance gains over 10.10 on my netbook
[09:54] <nikolai_> not only do i get better battery life than windows i get much better performance and choice :)
[09:54] <nikolai_> windows starter edition doesnt let you change the wallpape :(
[09:59] <tsm_ice9> that's kind of sad
[10:03] <nikolai_> http://k.min.us/iliPza.png
[10:03] <nikolai_> spiffy
[10:03] <nikolai_> :D
[10:05] <Ian_Corne> 2 days..
[10:05] <Ian_Corne> rly nikolai_ ?
[10:05] <Ian_Corne> about the wallpaper
[10:05] <nikolai_> hm ?
[10:05] <Ian_Corne> that's just sad..
[10:06] <nikolai_> o_O
[10:06] <nikolai_> not sure i follow
[10:06] <tsm_ice9> you can also only run a certain number of programs at a time or something right?
[10:06] <Ian_Corne> it's ok nikolai_
[10:06] <nikolai_> oh windows
[10:06] <nikolai_> right
[10:06] <nikolai_> yeah
[10:06] <nikolai_> starter edition is what they put on netbooks now to reduce cost
[10:06] <nikolai_> and you can't change the wallpaper
[10:06] <nikolai_> can run as many apps as you want though
[10:06] <nikolai_> wonder if they really hoodwink people into upgrading so they can change the wallpaper..
[10:07] <Ian_Corne> :D
[10:08] <Ian_Corne> maybe some poor grandmother or something :p
[10:14] <alvin> Adys: It's funny to see people quit on IRC when they want to try it out :-)
[10:14] <Adys> alvin: :P
[10:15] <Adys> alvin: it didnt lock up though, just crashed gdm for me
[10:15] <alvin> Adys: Oh, you're running konsole with gdm? Not Kubuntu?
[10:15] <Adys> running gdm because kdm is broken with autologin
[10:16] <Adys> and apparently nobody cares enough to backport the patches for it..
[10:16] <alvin> Oh, ok. I run kdm because gdm is broken with XDMCP.
[10:16] <Adys> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/553567
[10:16] <Adys> i *really* want to get kdm back but meh.
[10:17] <alvin> Oh, a plymouth one. Doesn't surprise me.
[10:22] <Ja23> Hello! I just installed Natty, but I'm not seeing the unity desktop, and when I log out the "Desktop Edition" is not an option
[10:25] <gordonjcp> Ja23: lucky you
[10:25] <tsm_ice9> haha
[10:26] <zniavre> :o)
[10:26] <Ja23> Ja23: but I was excited to have unity!
[10:26] <Ja23> gordonjcp: I was excited to have unity!
[10:26] <gordonjcp> Ja23: give it a couple of minutes, the feeling will soon pass
[10:27] <zniavre> Ja23,  wich gpu do you hav ?
[10:29] <tsm_ice9> I was rather disappointed when I put the live USB in and found that Unity was the default :p
[10:31] <KM0201> tsm_ice9, i kinda liked unity, it dogged down my old laptop pretty bad.
[10:32] <lcb> Ja23, check if you need -> System | Administration | Additional Drivers
[10:32] <tsm_ice9> I was a little annoyed at it, couldn't find the system administration stuff right away, and I had to dig around to find the shortcuts I wanted
[10:33] <tsm_ice9> and it doesn't seem to have a way to show multiple minimized windows of the same program?
[10:35] <Ian_Corne> wtb descent touchpad support for my laptop  :(
[10:35]  * KM0201 hates touchpads
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> I loved my asus eee one
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> but with this one I can't even turn of touch to click
[10:45] <Ja23> lcb, zniavre: I have a Radeon HD 5600 and have installed ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver
[10:45] <Ja23> This driver is activated and currently in use
[10:45] <Ja23> =)
[10:46] <lcb> Ja23, so logout and login again on Ubuntu (not Classic), if you didn't do it yet.
[10:46] <Ja23> yeah, I restarted
[10:46] <Ja23> but I'll try again just incase
[10:50] <Ja23> Hello
[10:51] <Ja23> I'm back
[10:51] <Ja23> nothing changed
[10:52] <nikolai_> tsm_ice9, it does if you hold click the icon with compiz
[10:53] <nikolai_> on
[10:53] <nikolai_> but yeah
[10:53] <nikolai_> the menu is a mess
[10:53] <nikolai_> i want my application list back in nautlius
[10:53] <nikolai_> and system options
[11:00] <vega> sigh, just upgraded to natty and x doesn't start
[11:00] <vega> says nvidia driver is missing, which it is not
[11:15] <Ja23> restarted, still no unity
[11:15] <Ja23> hmm
[11:41] <szonek> hi
[11:41] <szonek> i have a problem with compiz probably
[11:41] <szonek> after upgrade to natty
[11:41] <szonek> it stopped working
[11:41] <szonek> when i try to log in to unity
[11:41] <szonek> it doesn't display any windows
[11:41] <szonek> or panels
[11:42] <thanassssss> hello
[11:42] <szonek> they are 'there' - when i click where gnome panel should be it opens menu for example (i can tell because HDD led is blinking and i can log out because i remember where it is in menu)
[11:43] <szonek> but they aren't displayed at all
[11:43] <szonek> only cursor and wallpaper
[11:43] <thanassssss> can i ask something?
[11:43] <szonek> you just did ;)
[11:43] <thanassssss> ;)
[11:43] <szonek> OpenGL renderer string: Quadro FX 350M/PCI/SSE2
[11:43] <szonek> OpenGL version string:  2.1.2 NVIDIA 270.41.06
[11:44] <thanassssss> i lost my data when i do new install of 11.04 ubuntu i had a partiont /home in btrfs and i do new install with the same user nameup to the old. i didnt format the partion just put the same name. how can i recover my lost data?
[11:46] <thanassssss> plz i have something very important
[11:47] <thanassssss> no ansewr
[11:47] <alvin> btrfs is still experimental. Sorry, not using it.
[11:48] <thanassssss> i lost everything?
[11:48] <szonek> thanassssss: what's your concern exactly? why would you think you've lost your data?
[11:48] <thanassssss> i put the same username
[11:49] <thanassssss> and use the some partition for /home
[11:49] <Squall5668> weren't udf problems fixxed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks/+bug/635499 cause im having them again :\
[11:49] <szonek> thanassssss: afaik it would overwrite only default system files, your custom data should stay intact
[11:49] <thanassssss> and i have no files then
[11:50] <szonek> you chose existing brtf partition as your /home partition?
[11:50] <thanassssss> yes
[11:51] <thanassssss> and same username
[11:51] <szonek> and there was already /home/username folder
[11:51] <thanassssss> yes
[11:51] <szonek> thanassssss: are you sure it didn't destroy and create new partition?
[11:51] <thanassssss>  "/home/thanas
[11:52] <arand_> thanassssss: Did you choose "format as btrfs" in the installer?
[11:52] <thanassssss> no format
[11:52] <szonek> thanassssss: because afaik it shouldn't overwrite/delete anything except system files
[11:53] <thanassssss>   i didnt format
[11:53] <arand_> Right, hmm, when you look ad the output of "mount" and "sudo fdisk -l" Is the old btrfs-/home mounted there?
[11:53] <thanassssss> what can i do?
[11:54] <arand_> pastebin the output of "mount and "sudo fdisk -l"
[11:56] <thanassssss> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/599226/
[11:57] <thanassssss> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/599227/
[11:58] <thanassssss> its sda3
[11:59] <arand_> thanassssss: Hmm it seems to have created a subvolume, do you know if you had a subvolume before?
[12:00] <thanassssss> no
[12:00] <arand_> thanassssss: Try doing this "sudo mount /dev/sda3 -o defaults,subvolid=0 /mnt"
[12:00] <thanassssss> yes
[12:01] <arand_> thanassssss: When you look in /mnt, do you see only @home ?
[12:02] <thanassssss> is there
[12:02] <thanassssss> all my files
[12:02] <thanassssss> yes
[12:02] <thanassssss> look
[12:02] <voidr> hi, how do I switch the window buttons to the right side in natty?
[12:02] <thanassssss> in /mnt there is @home and thanas
[12:03] <thanassssss> why
[12:03] <thanassssss> my disk it was full but no files
[12:03] <arand_> thanassssss: Right, so what happened is: The installer created a subvolume by the name of @home and is mounting that instead of the top-level of the btrfs, where you previously had your files
[12:04] <thanassssss> can i change?
[12:05] <thanassssss> and can i return to ext4?
[12:06] <arand_> thanassssss: I think the easier way to get your old home back is to do "sudo mv /mnt/@home /mnt/@home-new-backup" and then "sudo btrfs snapshot /mnt /mnt/@home"
[12:08] <arand_> thanassssss: I guess you could create a new partition and transfer the files..
[12:08] <arand_> thanassssss: Sorry that should be "sudo btrfs subvolume snapshot /mnt /mnt/@home"
[12:12] <thanassssss> sorry i cant understand
[12:12] <thanassssss> sudo btrfs subvolume snapshot /mnt /mnt/@home whats this
[12:12] <thanassssss> ?
[12:12] <thanassssss> to return to ext4?
[12:13] <arand_> thanassssss: No, those two commands will make it so that it mounts your old /home
[12:15] <arand_> thanassssss: I persume you did not do a btrfs-conversion from ext4, and have the /home still left?
[12:15] <arand_> *old /home snapshot
[12:16] <arand_> thanassssss: I think the easier way to get your old home back is to do "sudo mv /mnt/@home /mnt/@home-new-backup" and then "sudo btrfs subvolume snapshot /mnt /mnt/@home"
[12:17] <thanassssss> no i had btrfs from 10.10 install
[12:18] <KevinNorfolk> hi ev1
[12:19] <KevinNorfolk> I have a small problem with getting compiz to stay as default... I can't remember what happened to break it, but is this a known issue?
[12:22] <thanassssss> my old home is /mnt/thanas
[12:22] <Ian_Corne> Just bought my first cd via ubuntu one music store :)
[12:22] <Ian_Corne> It does need a larger collection tho..
[12:23] <KevinNorfolk> if I run compiz --replace it works correctly, but then when I log out/in it goes back to compiz not being used :-/
[12:24] <vivid> KevinNorfolk, add 'compiz --replace' to System->Preferences->Startup Applications
[12:25] <KevinNorfolk> as simple as that?? ... lol, ok, let me try that...
[12:25] <vivid> yes, that simple, every time you log in it will set the window manager to compiz
[12:26] <KevinNorfolk> just done that... let me see if it works... brb :)
[12:27] <KevinNorfolk> vivid... you are a star... thank you! :)
[12:28] <KevinNorfolk> next silly question... why did I have to do that on this machine, yet on my other machine it just seems to work without it in startup apps? :-p
[12:29] <vivid> probably something in gconf
[12:30] <KevinNorfolk> I think my gconf is screwed a bit anyway... I could see the setting to use compiz in there, but it wasn't work (obviously), and the settings said that they were read only :(  Perhaps if there is a way of 'rebuilding' these settings I could get it to work without the startup apps
[12:31] <KevinNorfolk> ... other than that slight glitch... loving Natty! :D  really rapid for me on my lappy and desktop, can't wait for the full release in a couple of days! :D
[12:35] <thanassssss> arand_: it doesn't work
[12:36] <arand_> thanassssss: You ran both sommands and rebooted?
[12:36] <arand_> Any errors given?
[12:36] <thanassssss> sorry i have to reboot..
[12:48] <thanassssss> everything ok!!
[12:48] <arand_> thanassssss: Nice
[12:49] <thanassssss> all my problems start from btrfs..
[12:50] <thanassssss> how can return to ext4 with same home?
[12:50] <arand_> thanassssss: I reported Bug #771188 , hopefully it will documented in the relese notes how to do the post-install configuration..
[12:51] <thanassssss> thanks you :)
[12:59] <evilgeenius> I'm trying Natty but most of the packages I try to install complain about the missing libxmlrpc-c3  package.  It seems that in Natty it is called libxmlrpc-c3-0 instead which is causing a lot of problems.  Is there a way to fix this problem globally so that all my packages won't complain?
[13:03] <evilgeenius> I'm using the latest downloadable natty beta
[13:05] <El_Che> Hi, I am a developper of an app in ubuntu. I wonder how the unity dock selects the icon to show
[13:08] <arand_> El_Che: I think it is simply based on a .desktop entry..
[13:14] <El_Che> arand_: it's a checkout of the application from svn and run as ./app
[13:14] <El_Che> still the dock has an icon
[13:14] <El_Che> but he chose the lowere resolution
[13:14] <El_Che> (it lokks like 8bit nintendo)
[13:19] <nijabo> wtb smaller launcher
[13:19] <nijabo> :P
[13:31] <macca> hey, i am going to virtualize ubuntu 11.04 when it comes out but am thinking of putting on 10.10 and upgrading via that on thursday 28th  - how long will the upgrade take or am i better off waiting till i can get the 11.04 iso
[13:32] <macca> anybody?
[13:33] <arand_> macca: It might be better to get a daily built iso of natty..
[13:33] <Feldegast> depends on your net speed and how many packages you have
[13:34] <macca> well, it will only be minimal as i will only have had it 2 days and my average net speed is 1.5mbps
[13:34] <bazhang> more likely a server issue
[13:35] <bazhang> !slow
[13:35] <bazhang> no change needed there
[13:36] <macca> meant to direct last post at Feldegast
[13:38] <Feldegast> macca i'd get a 11.4 iso from a mittor
[14:11] <izinucs> calm before the storm?
[14:15] <th1> is it already released?
[14:15] <thiebaude> not yet
[14:15] <thiebaude> on the 28th of april
[14:16] <KevinNorfolk> will there be that much change between the existing beta and the full release?
[14:17] <KevinNorfolk> presumably we will just need to do an apt-get distro-upgrade?
[14:17] <izinucs> KevinNorfolk: just keep updating the beta and you'll have it all already
[14:17] <KevinNorfolk> cool :)
[14:17]  * thiebaude that reminds me i have to check to see if i have updates
[14:18] <izinucs> KevinNorfolk: a full upgrade is sudo apt-get update && sduo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade .. and that last dist-upgrade *does not* upgrade from one release to another.. just packages you already have.
[14:18] <th1> heh I was so put off by that unity stuff a month ago I haven't tried again since
[14:18] <th1> maybe it's time to see if it's any better
[14:18] <thiebaude> th1, i tried it yesterday to give it another chance
[14:19] <th1> thiebaude, and?
[14:19] <KevinNorfolk> typing a long response... can't be good :)
[14:19] <thiebaude> i went back to classic gnome
[14:19] <KevinNorfolk> oh... lol
[14:19] <thiebaude> i dont like it
[14:19] <thiebaude> imho
[14:19] <th1> ok
[14:20] <thiebaude> :)
[14:20] <KevinNorfolk> I may give it another go and see if I like it.... but I like my docky too much to get rid of it :p
[14:20] <th1> It might become good one day is my take on it. . but it's not today and probably not this year ;)
[14:20] <thiebaude> im going to install macbuntu with docky
[14:21] <KevinNorfolk> cool... not seen that one :)
[14:21] <KevinNorfolk> ... *goes for a google... *
[14:22] <KevinNorfolk> looks quite cool
[14:22] <KevinNorfolk> I kinda miss my cube desktop :/
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[14:23] <KevinNorfolk> hi
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> vlc crashes and hangs the system, it happens often
[14:24] <rach0> is there any way to make the emerald decorators work in 11.04 classic? right now i doesn't but i suppose it's the version of the engine -> 0.7.sthg.. does the new 0.8.9 supports natty and is there a ppa for it or i should compile?
[14:25] <izinucs> Tasque (remember the milk connector) closes after clicking the "x" instead of staying docked.  There's also no right mouse click "update" or ther options that were there in gnome 2.xx
[14:25] <KevinNorfolk> anyway... I am offski... thanks to those that have helped me, and fingers crossed for a smooth 11.04 official release :D
[14:48] <fang0654> Any way to downgrade xorg back to maverick version?
[14:52] <fang0654> tried using synaptic and forcing an earlier version, but it looked like it was going to rip out ubuntu desktop
[14:55] <erkan^> When is RC from Ubuntu 11.04 there?
[14:55] <erkan^>  i see still béta in update-manager -d
[14:55] <Pici> erkan^: There is no RC. Its going from Beta 1 -> Beta 2 -> Release
[14:55] <Pici> !schedule
[14:56] <erkan^> ok
[14:56] <Vardan> hi all
[14:57] <erkan^> how is it with ubuntu 11.04 béta? very bugs or problem, Pici ?
[14:57] <Vardan> people will I have problem on ubuntu 11.04 with IntelHD graphics card?]
[14:57] <Pici> erkan^: I'm not having any issues myself, but I use GNOME 2, not Unity.
[14:57] <erkan^> ok
[14:58] <erkan^> Is Gnome 2 or 3 in ubuntu 11.04 as classic, Pici ?
[14:59] <Hobbsee> erkan^: 2
[14:59] <erkan^> ok
[15:16] <d1gital> I just upgraded from Hardy to Natty (clean install) and I'm pretty convinced that was a mistake. Complaints aside, my major issue is with the NVIDIA graphics driver. I managed to make the GRUB menu visible by tweaking /etc/defaults/grub, but now I am getting screen corruption when I switch back to X from a VT. Window contents are drawn white until I resize the window.
[15:17] <nocturn> Hi, anyone else have problems with Libreoffice in recent Nattyp updates?
[15:17] <nocturn> Mine doesn't start anymore
[15:17] <nocturn> no output whatsoever when launching from the CLI
[15:19] <alvin> d1gital: Be happy that you can resize your windows without crashing :-p
[15:19] <phoenix_firebrd> nocturn: did you try reinstalling?
[15:19] <alvin> Is it even possible to upgrade from hardy? Don't you need an extra step?
[15:19] <bjsnider> d1gital, did you use the most recent beta cd or a daily-live cd?
[15:20] <d1gital> bjsnider,  beta2
[15:20] <alvin> (ah, clean install. Didn't see that one)
[15:26] <d1gital> so, any ideas?  I have a Gentoo-based liveCD that works perfectly as far as graphics.  VTs and X operate in max resolution, no problem.  I'm impressed, especially since it's a live CD.  what confuses me is, if Gentoo can do it out-of-the-box, why couldn't Ubuntu?  I've always favored Ubuntu for its hardware support, but graphics seems to be a major exception.
[15:29] <alvin> d1gital: Gentoo doesn't use plymouth. Try uncommenting splash and quiet in /etc/default/grub and do update-grub
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:33] <d1gital> alvin, how much does plymouth really affect the system after it's up and running, though? (I'm not very familiar with it, as I was running Hardy until this week.)
[15:34] <d1gital> I might just roll back to 10.04
[15:36] <patdk-wk> plymouth exists in 10.04 also
[15:38] <d1gital> I'm still not sure plymouth is the source of my problems, but I guess I won't know until I try it.
[15:40] <alvin> d1gital: Plymouth interacts with upstart, which mangles the boot process. That is not your problem, but plymouth also creates the splash screen that hides useful information from the user and uses stuff like KMS. So, that can be related when switching between X and virtual terminals.
[15:46] <whiz_> hi guys. I have 11.04 updated with update manager and GNOME3 (from PPA). I am able to login to Gnome shell but not unity shell. it says failed to load and gives a logout button
[15:46] <BluesKaj> dunno why ppl blame plymouth , from what I can see, once the system is past the login plymouth is no longer running
[15:46] <whiz_> 1. Where do I find the errors for this ?
[15:47] <d1gital> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[15:47] <d1gital> that will disable plymouth?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> d1gital, if you really want to dump it it :http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/11431/solved-removing-plymouth-from-ubuntu/
[15:48] <d1gital> well, here goes.  brb (hopefully)
[15:48] <arand> whiz_: Unity is know not to work after installing GNOME3
[15:49] <whiz_> arand: oh!
[15:50] <whiz_> arand: thnx. Just wanted to try both envs. nevermind
[15:52] <d1gital> I don't think that disabled plymouth.  The Ubuntu . . . . splash hasn't come up since I installed, and this boot was no different from the last.  I had to switch to VT1 to see the boot messages.
[15:54] <sebsebseb> Hi
[15:54] <thiebaude> hey stranger,lol
[15:56] <zniavre> i hav some issue with gnome-classic and compiz , randomly it crashs , hav you eperienced same behavior ?
[16:06] <lucas-arg> ugly ugly plymouth... i cant even make it look nice editing grub
[16:09] <mongy> so much for 'try ubuntu on the cloud'  stuck at a grey box
[16:09]  * BluesKaj can't understand the hangup about something that lasts  a whole 5 secs
[16:13] <d1gital> well, removing "quiet splash" fixed my screen corruption
[16:13] <d1gital> how do I get my VTs in full-res?
[16:14] <lucas-arg> they should make it look nicer and make an effort to do so, i feel it really important, its like a presentation card u give to users when they boot the pc
[16:17] <BluesKaj> bah humbug
[16:19] <Waldii> hey, is there a way in ubuntu 11.04 to blacklist a specific hardware so that it is not loaded at booting?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[16:20] <BluesKaj> !info nomodset
[16:20] <compdoc> heh
[16:20] <dajhorn> Waldii: Look at the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file.
[16:21] <strav> Hi. I'm trying to add the french canadian keyboard layout to my input methods in the gnome input preferences but I cannot find it... under french, there's only the azerty layout... I checked the repositories for franch canadian and couldn't find anything... any suggestions?
[16:24] <genii-around> strav: If anyone is awake in #ubuntu-qc they might know how
[16:24] <strav> good suggestion... didn't knew it existed. I'll check it out thanks.
[16:25] <asktoby> Just moved to Natty. How do I hide a mount from the launcher? Rightclick just gives "Open".
[16:28] <asktoby> i.e. I have a harddisk shown on the sidebar, and I don't want it there.
[16:30]  * BluesKaj realizes that nomodeset isn't a package but I thought there might be a factoid about using it
[16:30] <Waldii> dajhorn: how do i find out the name of the hardware? i mean "blacklist [name]"
[16:31] <dajhorn> Waldii: What hardware do you want to blacklist?
[16:31] <Waldii> a graphic card from intel
[16:31] <Waldii> so that my other graphic card is loaded instead
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Waldii, which HW are you trying to blacklist , just curious
[16:32] <Waldii> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[16:32] <Waldii> this one :D
[16:32] <dajhorn> Waldii: Do you have a laptop with hybrid graphics?  (ie:  An onboard Intel chip and a offboard accelerator?)
[16:32] <BluesKaj> Waldii, whynot just change it in the BIOS under peripherals
[16:33] <Waldii> yes dajhorn ; BluesKaj, there's no option for that :/
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Waldii, bummer
[16:33] <dajhorn> Waldii: Start here before trying to change drivers:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[16:35] <Waldii> thank you, i'll read that :D
[16:44] <Kyle__> If you update a 10.10 desktop to an 11.04 beta, will apt-get dist-upgrade update it to the full blown 11.04 when released?
[16:44] <Pici> Yes.
[16:45] <Kyle__> OK.  I thought so, but wanted to just make sure.
[16:46] <MK``> How stable is the 11.04 kernel?
[16:46] <Kyle__> MK``: The kernel is compleetly stable, prehaps you mean core?
[16:46] <MK``> I am new to linux, I do not know heh ^^
[16:46] <MK``> what is the core?
[16:47] <lcb> strav, check commands' $ dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ' or/and ' $ dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration '
[16:47] <Kyle__> MK``: The core of the OS, all the standard services, gui etc.  And that I couldnt' tell you.
[16:47] <thiebaude> !x
[16:47] <Kyle__> MK``: But the kernel is a stock linux kernel 2.6.37 I think for 11.04.  And it's quite stable.
[16:47] <compdoc> I upgraded 10.10 to 11.04 beta, and havent had any problems
[16:47] <MK``> I think I meant the kernel, then.
[16:48] <compdoc> but I'm not using it much yet
[16:50] <Kyle__> MK``: Most distros use stock kernel sources, and build to suit.  Linux release kernels are very stable.  In 12+ years, I haven't had a kernel be the source of problems.  A kernel-driver, yes (usually with flakey hardware), but the kernel itself, no.
[16:51] <MK``> alright, cool
[16:56] <roasted_> So I installed dhcp3 server on my 11.04 laptop to serve for imaging purposes here at work... yet I can't get dhcp activated.
[16:56] <roasted_> when I run service --status-all dhcp isn't even listed...
[16:57] <xskydevilx> I've applied a quite a few mods on the system to change its look, and is there a way to restore it back to the default, without reinstall the OS?
[16:57] <xskydevilx> *reinstalling
[17:01] <hypetech> I'm kind of digging unity now that I'm getting the keyboard shortcuts
[17:07] <lcb> roasted_,  try checking what's going on with ' ifconfig 'and also use ' ifup -a '('  ifstatus ' might help you finding what's going on. it's part of package ' ifplugd ') Check then your /etc/network/interfaces ...
[17:18] <Waldii> is switcheroo already available for ubuntu 11.04? D:
[17:19] <OfficiallyPC> Is there a way to restore Ubuntu to its factory/default setting and look without having to reinstall the OS?
[17:20] <Waldii> aw have to go
[17:20] <traskers> After a fresh install off 11.04, I'm missing my Dash launcher icon in the top-left (the Ubuntu icon directly above the Unity launcher), can anyone tell me how to get that icon there?
[17:21] <lcb> OfficiallyPC, ' $ tasksel ' then remove what you don't want and add with what you want.
[17:22] <arand> Heavens, don#t remove anything using tasksel unless you want to completely uninstall your system..
[17:23] <lcb> traskers, reinstall Ubuntu Desktop, probably will help
[17:23] <lcb> arand, not really.... you can leave the base system
[17:23] <arand> traskers: There have been few problems like that is seems, you could try searching on launchpad for reports
[17:24] <hypetech> what's the command to configure the advanced compiz effects?
[17:24] <OfficiallyPC> lcb, not to be rude or anything, but would you care to explain a bit further? I'm kinda an Ubuntu noob.
[17:24] <arand> lcb: Ah, re-reading the Q I guess that would work, i thought at first it was more restoring the UI
[17:24] <traskers> lcb, that's what I tried. A complete fresh install of 11.04.
[17:26] <OfficiallyPC> hypetech: Did you mean the "CompizConfig Settings Manager"? The command for it is "ccsm".
[17:27] <lcb> OfficiallyPC, if you run on a console $ tasksel and assuming you still have it installed you'll have the option of removing or installing. if you leave the 1st option, you'll get only the basic sustem
[17:27] <lcb> system, even
[17:28] <hypetech> OfficiallyPC: any idea how I can set the compiz settings back to default?  I tried to turn on desktop cube and it messed everything up
[17:28] <lcb> OfficiallyPC, is like having your system restored to server, the basic system (if you don't install anything else)
[17:30] <OfficiallyPC> hypetech: Click on the Desktop Cube, and under General there is a button next to the edit button that says when you hover over it "Restore setting to default value". Just click on that button for each option (such as Unfold, Next slide.. etc.), You may also have to go to the next tab and do the same thing there.
[17:31] <lcb> OfficiallyPC, you'ld be better of reinstalling 11.04 (wait 2 days from now). if that's a "production" computer... backup /home /usr and /etc before anything further
[17:31] <OfficiallyPC> lcb: Thanks for the tips. I'll wait two days for the official release.
[17:32] <lcb> OfficiallyPC, better :) still corners to polish until then...
[17:33] <hypetech> When I tried to enable desktop cube, it disabled everything in my compizconfig settings, now my unity sidebar and keyboard shortcuts don't work anymore
[17:33] <OfficiallyPC> lcb: I'm still surprised that Canonical hasn't released an RC copy for Natty.
[17:34] <lcb> tasksel is not coming on latest, probably due to aptitude being needed, i don't know. and probably because is giving errors. better read a bit about that.
[17:34] <lcb> OfficiallyPC, if fact there are RCs ;)
[17:34] <lcb> or kind of
[17:34] <arand> OfficiallyPC: It was decided unecessary since it's the easter holidays and all..
[17:35] <arand> lcb: aptitude/tasksel was removed from the liveCD seed for MM..
[17:35] <mehdi> does anyone use unity for desktop?
[17:36] <hypetech> yes
[17:36] <mehdi> does it work like netbook so slow and hanginG?
[17:37] <hypetech> mine works fine
[17:37] <hypetech> I mostly use the keyboard shortcuts though so I don't click through the menus much
[17:37] <mehdi> how did u install it?
[17:37] <OfficiallyPC> mehdi: On mine PC it works similar as GNOME 2.
[17:37] <hypetech> mehdi: installed by default on 11.04
[17:38] <mehdi> well i have 10.10 and 11.04 isnt Gonme3?
[17:38] <sbur> I imagine that this is not the right channel, but I have a question about burning CDs and DVDs.  I keep coming up with error messages and don't know how to figure out and repair the problem.  Once, it is an unknown error with cdrecord, another time mkfsios (or something like that) crashes
[17:38] <hypetech> mehdi: no, ubuntu isn't supporting gnome3, they chose to use unity instead
[17:38] <lcb> arand, thanks, i've noticed was removed but i didn't know why.
[17:38] <hypetech> mehdi: if you want gnome3 on 11.04, you have to get it through a ppa
[17:39] <eagles0513875> hey apw :)
[17:39] <eagles0513875> hey all how can i reconfigure the desktop manager to use kdm instead
[17:39] <eagles0513875> of gdm
[17:40] <mehdi> @hypetech  i have gnome3 through ppa but it s not complete unfortunately  so i wanted to install unity how can i do it? and i use 10.10
[17:40] <hypetech> mehdi: I'm not sure how to upgrade to unity on 10.10 sorry :(
[17:40] <arand> lcb: Space saving, ubiquity didn't need it anymore for installing. Still comes if you install server or via alternate install though..
[17:40] <zenrox> eagles0513875, use the kubuntu-desktop for fixing that
[17:40] <eagles0513875> i know there is a command to do that
[17:40] <OfficiallyPC> mehdi: You can type "ubuntu netbook" in the Software Center and install it of there.
[17:40] <lcb> arand, good o know :)
[17:41] <eagles0513875> the problem zenrox is that with the gdm kde isnt accessed
[17:41] <zenrox> eagles0513875, its sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:41] <elias> what's the difference between indicator applet and notification area?
[17:41] <elias> when i added the former some things from latter auto-transferred it seems, but not all...
[17:41] <mehdi> @OfficiallyPC im having Gnome3 PPA doesnt in conflict with UNity later?
[17:41] <arand> lcb: Well this is +1 after all I guess..
[17:41] <zenrox> this will fix that as well install all the kde componets
[17:41] <eagles0513875> zenrox: they are already installed
[17:42] <zenrox> this will fix some of the config files
[17:42] <arand> mehdi: gnome3 PPA conflicts with Unity, yes..
[17:42] <zenrox> but you will have to reboot
[17:42] <eagles0513875> config files for what kde or kdm
[17:42] <zenrox> yes
[17:42] <eagles0513875> cuz i already tried removing .kde folder in my home folder
[17:42] <lcb> arand, too much confusion for ppl in general, i guess; that url, Beta2 + saily/s...
[17:42] <eagles0513875> already tried didnt work zenrox
[17:42] <OfficiallyPC> mehdi: Yes, unfortunately.
[17:43] <lcb> saily/s = daily/s
[17:43] <ikonia> your home directory does not control the greeter application
[17:43]  * eagles0513875 loves the way i have been assumed to be a noob
[17:43] <zenrox> .kde folder is for just the settings for kde when your in the kde session
[17:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you are
[17:43] <mehdi> i desabled Gnome  ppa with synaptic does it yet conflict?
[17:43] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i know more then you think
[17:43] <ikonia> eagles0513875: no you don't or you would not be looking in your home directory for kdm settings
[17:43] <eagles0513875> ikonia: firstly i wasnt looking for them
[17:43] <OfficiallyPC> mehdi: It shouldn't in that case. Although, I haven't tried it my self.
[17:44] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you moved the directory out to get it to work - that's the same thing, please don't dig a bigger hole
[17:44] <mehdi> ok im going to try
[17:44] <eagles0513875> i was asking about the command to run to be able to  have a choice between kdm or gdm
[17:44] <zenrox> eagles0513875, something else you can try is removing gdm
[17:44] <arand> mehdi: Have you already installed the gnome3 packages?
[17:44] <OfficiallyPC> mehdi: Again, not pretty sure it's gonna work. You should backup the system, just in case.
[17:44] <ikonia> eagles0513875: then why did you reference the .kde folder in your home directory ?
[17:44] <ikonia> 17:42 < eagles0513875> cuz i already tried removing .kde folder in my home folder
[17:45] <ikonia> to reminder you - you just said you did your .kde directory to fix your kdm issue
[17:45] <mehdi> @arand yea i did
[17:45] <ikonia> please don't pretend that's not what you meant
[17:46] <eagles0513875> ikonia: before needing to install gnome i was having some issues logging in and removing the .kde folder fixed them until something else came down the update pipeline and broke kdm and logging into kde hence the switch to gdm to test to see if i can login to any desktop environments which i can login to xfce and gnoem just fine
[17:46] <arand> mehdi: Then you won't be able to use Unity anymore, disabling the gnome3 PPA will make no difference..
[17:46] <ikonia> eagles0513875: again, so why would moving the .kde directory effect your greeter appliction
[17:47] <mehdi> @arand y not?
[17:47] <lcb> !tasksel | OfficiallyPC
[17:47] <eagles0513875> ikonia: thats what i dont get what does that folder have that would effect login sometimes
[17:47] <ikonia> eagles0513875: login is not gdm/kdm - that is the greeter application
[17:47] <mehdi> if u use auto-remove while installing ubuntu-netbook may work
[17:47] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:47] <eagles0513875> ikonia: im doing some further testing and googling as we speak maybe i can have a lightbulb pop over my head
[17:47] <lcb> OfficiallyPC, again... backup what you need before doing whatever you decide
[17:48] <ikonia> whatever
[17:48] <OfficiallyPC> lcb: Will do. Thanks.
[17:49] <mehdi> when i install unity i wont be able to have desktop effect rite?
[17:51] <OfficiallyPC> mehdi: You will.
[17:51] <alexsander> problems with Sandy Bridge graphics on 11.04, anyone?
[17:51] <mehdi> when? God knows
[17:52] <arand> *Some* desktop effects won't be compatible, cube, e.g.
[17:52] <compdoc> I still use gnome - Im not liking unity at all
[17:52] <OfficiallyPC> arand: I don't think that Cube would be very useful in Unity, anyways.
[17:53] <lcb> compdoc, good to know you are one of the users who discovered 11.04 with traditional desktop, aka classic
[17:53] <compdoc> yeah
[17:53] <compdoc> well I had to - unity doesnt seem to work with VNC
[17:54] <lcb> it will, in time ;) keep the hope and dreams alive :p
[17:54] <compdoc> ha
[17:55] <OfficiallyPC> arand: If you like the Cube you can this link: http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.g.stewart/index.php/2011/04/how-to-enable-the-compiz-cube-with-unity/ to get it to work with Unity.
[17:55] <lcb> compdoc, did you try TeamViewer? (curiosity)
[17:55] <arand> OfficiallyPC: Well I was just stating it as an example :)
[17:57] <compdoc> lcb, no, I use vnc for pretty much everything. Im interested in making SPICE work in my VMs, but I havent figured it out yet
[17:58] <OfficiallyPC> arand: You can modify the desktop effects in Unity as much as you want using ccsm (after you install it using apt-get install of course)
[17:58] <lcb> too many tweaks in order to get things (addons, mods, effects) to work right with unity. i would wait final to play with it. who knows we all have some surprises these last days.
[17:59] <arand> lcb: I would guess, and for the sake of the documentation team hope, not.
[17:59] <alexsander> I've installed 11.04 from daily build on my desktop (i5-2500 without external video card) but the X does not work, with 10.10 it works with a vanilla driver with no acceleration at all (very jerky); is it blacklisted?
[17:59] <lcb> compdoc, SPICE GIRLS in your desktop??? :o
[17:59] <lcb> compdoc, j/k (SPICE is a well-known software to simulate electrical circuits)
[18:00] <compdoc> spice is also the name of a remote protocol
[18:00] <zenrox> lcb i would never admit that you like spice girls lol
[18:00] <compdoc> remote desktop
[18:00] <lcb> zenrox, they had their time... now we have some new ones hehehe
[18:00] <zenrox> lol
[18:01] <eagles0513875> that explains my problem
[18:01] <eagles0513875> somehow when i installed gnome kde got removed
[18:01] <eagles0513875> strange indeed
[18:02] <zenrox> eagles0513875, then just reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[18:02] <eagles0513875> i am
[18:02] <lcb> compdoc, i find TeamViewer very handy... with advantage of getting into your pcs through others you use had-hoc
[18:02] <slinker1> Hello, robin0800 , welcome to #ubuntu+1.
[18:02] <eagles0513875> doesnt make sense why it would be uninstalled if they are designed to work side by side
[18:02] <slinker1> Hello, ubuntuguy , welcome to #ubuntu+1.
[18:02] <ubuntuguy> How can I get my computer to start off with conky?
[18:02] <ubuntuguy> oops
[18:03] <compdoc> no teams - theres just me, the lone sysop
[18:03] <zenrox> eagles0513875, thay arnt desiged to work side by side
[18:03] <zenrox> not in the display manger
[18:03] <ubuntuguy> I mean, how can I make my system start-up with system-monitar-indicator/
[18:03] <eagles0513875> side by side in the sense they both can be installed
[18:03] <zenrox> yes
[18:03] <lcb> compdoc, :)
[18:03] <zenrox> but only one can run at a time
[18:03] <eagles0513875> 10.10 i used to be able to see all desktops i had installed in kdm
[18:03] <eagles0513875> obviously
[18:04] <lcb> ubuntuguy, add it to Startup Applications
[18:05] <lcb> ubuntuguy, oops, the indicator...
[18:05] <ubuntuguy> But where is it located?
[18:05] <lcb> ubuntuguy, the app or the indicator?
[18:06] <ubuntuguy> the system-monitor-indicator
[18:06] <delac> can someone explain me how this indicator-stuff is going to reduce clutter in panel if every panel-app is going to get its indicator equivalent? :)
[18:06] <ubuntuguy> The one that goes on your panel
[18:07] <lcb> ubuntuguy,  system-monitor-indicator: command not found
[18:07] <KM0201> !info system-monitor-indicator
[18:08] <ubuntuguy> I mean, I have it on my computer and I usually have to go to unity dash to open it up
[18:08] <KM0201> hmm.
[18:08] <delac> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/system-monitor-indicator-puts-cpu-and.html
[18:08] <KM0201> lcb, i've not found a viable solution to the system indicator panel applet.
[18:08] <ubuntuguy> It does exist, I'm using it now.
[18:09] <KM0201> lcb, i ended up setting another panel to auto hide at the bottom, and just added it there.
[18:09] <lcb> gnome-system-monitor doesn't have any option to glue an indicator to panels
[18:10] <lcb> KM0201, ahh you did the trick of gnome-panel on startup apps :)
[18:10] <ubuntuguy> ICB
[18:10] <KM0201> yup..
[18:11] <ubuntuguy> I'll take a screenshot of my desktop for you... It's not system-monitor alone, it's system monitor-indicator http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/system-monitor-indicator-puts-cpu-and.html
[18:11] <lcb> KM0201, i'm using since alphas
[18:12] <lcb> KM0201, i like tree style menus
[18:12] <KM0201> yeah, i actually ended up switching to xubuntu.. unity was beating up my old laptop to badly
[18:13] <ubuntuguy> Ok, so I can't take screenshot because I'm heading out, but I know it's there
[18:13] <lcb> ubuntuguy, i would wait a bit before installing fancy items - only 2 days more :o
[18:13] <ubuntuguy> icb, I've been using it for two weeks
[18:14] <ubuntuguy> It's nothing but fancy
[18:14] <ubuntuguy> It's just shows
[18:14] <ubuntuguy> cpu: 36% mem: 47%
[18:14] <ubuntuguy> in top panel
[18:14] <lcb> ubuntuguy, unless you like to end up coming back here asking "how can i restore to windows 3.1"
[18:15] <lcb> ubuntuguy, is nice indeed (although resources consuming) but why not waiting for final release before starting painting unity?
[18:16] <ubuntuguy> icb, sys-montor-indicator takes up no resources though. My cpu usage goes all the way down to 2% when I'm on my desktop...
[18:16] <ubuntuguy> And it's far from fancy
[18:16] <lcb> ubuntuguy, avoid hitting Enter/Retur key or you might have a lot of ppl on top of your case
[18:16] <lcb> *Return*
[18:19] <tim> hi. after brasero segfaulting, ubuntu does not recognize my cd-rw, does not eject it and does not mount it. ubuntu 11.04 here
[18:19] <lcb> tim, dpkg-reconfigure brasero
[18:20] <tim> lcb: still does not recognize the cd
[18:20] <lcb> tim, you might need to reboot after reconfiguring it
[18:21] <tim> ok, i'll try
[18:21] <reagle> twice now -- on two different machines, one with i965 and one with nvidia geforce, i've lost the ability to use composit. Here's something from my xsessions. It appears all the OpenGL stuff is there, but then it fails with kwin(5537): glCheckFramebufferStatus failed:  "GL_NO_ERROR"
[18:23] <lcb> reagle, recheck chksums of your iso, 'reburn' (in case were same image), do not use daily but beta2 + upgrades or.. report a bug (search first to see if any exists)
[18:23] <reagle> lcb: yes, all of that but short of reporting bug
[18:23] <lcb> reagle, that's strange, on two diff machines same issue
[18:24] <reagle> yea, I even created a new user and reconfigured everything from the start, though this had been some weird thing with the nvidia...
[18:25] <reagle> i then went to unison/resync my files between the machines, and something went awry...
[18:26] <lcb> reagle, there are indeed "weird" matters with graphic drivers. but again, 2 boxes, same issue. it's the image or media where you burn it.. my opinion
[18:27] <tim> lcb: brasero still doesn't recognize the cd, even when it's mounted
[18:29] <lcb> tim, then we have to go to a different department. I'm only receiving the complaints. ANY TECHNICIAN available for this unhappy customer?
[18:29] <joandrade> hello, I'm trying to get the workspace switcher in unity to work with brightside, to get an "Active corner" funcionality in showing all the workspaces only with a mouse flick, or all of the windows (Exposé-style). The problem is that I can't find unity's/workspace switcher's terminal commands to add to the list of actions in brightside.
[18:30] <eagles0513875> yofel: ping
[18:30] <lcb> eagles0513875, can i play too? PONG
[18:31] <lcb> :p
[18:31] <eagles0513875> lcb: your name isnt that of the person i was pinging
[18:31] <lcb> eagles0513875, but i heard the sound of the "ball"
[18:31] <yofel> eagles0513875: hm?
[18:32] <eagles0513875> yofel: i noticed the other day there was an update for the network manager but the latest version thats available is broken it doesnt pick up any wifi networks in the list
[18:32] <eagles0513875> even manually entering it and then trying to connect doesnt seem to work
[18:33] <yofel> does 'sudo iwlist <interface> scanning' show networks?
[18:33] <eagles0513875> yofel: when i go in and manually add the network using the network manager scan picks it up just fine
[18:34] <yofel> check /var/log/syslog for any NM errors then, other than that I don't know..
[18:34] <tim> now it tells me there is no media in the drive, while the drive is still making sounds as if reading the cd.
[18:34] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:36] <eagles0513875> yofel: restart fixed it :)
[18:41] <hypetech> does natty use an xorg.conf?  I can't find one
[18:41] <maco> hypetech: no, and neither does maverick, lucid, karmic, intrepid, or hardy
[18:41] <hypetech> maco: welp :(
[18:41] <maco> hypetech: if you write one, it'll use it though
[18:42] <hypetech> maco: I'm just trying to get my laptop to use an intel video driver instead of vesa
[18:42] <maco> hypetech: it should do that automatically...
[18:42] <maco> intel drivers are open, so they should happen by default
[18:42] <hypetech> compiz-check shows it's using vesa, but my chipset is intel mobile 4
[18:43] <maco> does Xorg.0.log agree?
[18:43] <maco> unless its a poulsbo...
[18:43] <maco> in which case, intel stopped development on that driver, but there's a PPA where a few people have been trying to keep it working
[18:46] <hypetech> the .log shows both intel and vesa being loaded, but a lot of the lines near the end seem to reference intel
[18:52] <hypetech> http://pastebin.com/eFUvUAme
[18:55] <hardcold> does anyone have a RTL8188CE?
[18:55] <lucas-arg> tty1 doesnt say development any more, is it final what im using?
[18:56] <zenrox> nope
[18:56] <arand_> lucas-arg: But it's a test of the final ;]
[18:56] <lucas-arg> lol
[18:57] <lucas-arg> its like final! if there wont be big updates...
[18:59] <lucas-arg> unless devs are planning to give us a big surprise some how
[19:00] <zenrox> no thay wont do that
[19:00] <zenrox> trust me
[19:00] <zenrox> lol
[19:01] <zenrox> thay are just probly cleaning out all the development out of diffent thangs
[19:02] <lucas-arg> :D
[19:02] <zenrox> its just so close
[19:02] <zenrox> 28th
[19:03] <zenrox> 2 days away
[19:03] <zenrox> thay are probly getting ready to iso it
[19:05] <zenrox> bad net-split
[19:06] <Tac> zenrox, almost 2% of the channel were affected!
[19:08] <zenrox> ya i know but to them it was 98%
[19:08] <zenrox> lol
[19:09] <Tac> good call...
[19:09] <zenrox> hehe
[19:11] <tux127> Hallo. Wie stabil läuft Unity denn mittlerweile?
[19:12] <zenrox> tux127, you might have to go to a german chanel or what ever your language is
[19:12] <OfficiallyPC> tux127: English only here. Go to #ubuntu-DE or whatever.
[19:13] <zenrox> i think he said some thing to the effect is unity stable
[19:13] <torchie> well.
[19:13] <bitplane> anyone wanna help me confirm a bug?
[19:13] <bitplane> before I file it
[19:14] <torchie> when are updates applied after installing it?
[19:14] <torchie> them*
[19:14] <tux127> Sorry, I didn't look after the language. Thanks zenrox, you're right.
[19:14] <torchie> like should i log out or restart or something
[19:14] <OfficiallyPC> tux127: Es ist ziemlich stabil.
[19:14] <torchie> i know people are always like nah man its linux its cool dude
[19:15] <zenrox> torchie, it depends
[19:15] <bitplane> pretty please with sugar on top?
[19:16] <zenrox> if its a kernel or drivers a reboot helps if its a WM then restart Xserv if its a program its imedieat or restart the app
[19:16] <numberto> Hi everybody. (Installed 11.04 yesterday and switched to ubuntu classic, since unity does not work ).   And now to the actual bug.  When I open a pdf file which has larger width than my screen width there is no scroller on the bottom. Well, actually it is there just appears to be under the bottom panel. So that I can see very tiny part of the scroller, which I cannot grab. I tried to move the bottom panel to the left and the scroller appeared
[19:16] <torchie> alright
[19:17] <zenrox> that help torchie
[19:17] <tux127> And what's about the support of the ATI Radeon HD 5xxx series? I'd like to use the open source driver.
[19:17] <bitplane> numberto, got an extremely wide pdf I can test with? we should report it
[19:19] <numberto> bitplane:   Just press ctrl+  a few times
[19:20] <numberto> bitplane:  well, my pdf is not that big, it is just i tried to zoom to see something and found out that bottom scroller is under the bottom panel
[19:20] <bitplane> oh, the bottom panel
[19:20] <bitplane> I'm in Unity at the moment
[19:21] <numberto> bitplane:  you have to switch to ubuntu classic
[19:21] <bitplane> I don't have a bottom bar in gdm either, I use AWN
[19:22] <bitplane> but yeah I can see how that would be an issue if the decorator or whatever it is that makes the scrollbars doesn't detect the bottom of the screen correctly
[19:22] <bitplane> anyone here know what is responsible for the new scrollbars ?
[19:22] <numberto> bitplane:  do you have any bar?  You can move it to the bottom
[19:23] <bitplane> the bar thing doesn't leave the screen, it moves up a bit if it will go off the screen
[19:23] <bitplane> but "behind a panel" should == "off the screen"
[19:23] <bitplane> so it's likely a bug in whatever does the new scrollbars
[19:24] <bitplane> I would imagine the same issue applies to vertical scrollbars when you have a side panel
[19:24] <bitplane> brb, gonna log in to gdm and test this
[19:25] <numberto> I believe there is no such problem with side panels, I have some and they work perfect. At least on my machine
[19:25] <numberto> Just with the bottom one
[19:26] <numberto> I believe since in unity there is no bottom panel, developers forgot about it
[19:27] <bitplane> confirmed, panels on the right side also obscure scrollbars
[19:28] <bitplane> scrollbars should be calculated based on non-panel area, not the entire screen
[19:28] <bitplane> so back to the question... what is responsible for the new scrollbars?
[19:28] <torchie> what... or who?
[19:29] <bitplane> what piece of software so we can raise a bug report against the team working on that feature
[19:29] <arand_> "ubuntu-bug overlay-scrollbars" I guess?
[19:31] <bitplane> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/overlay-scrollbar/+bug/767823
[19:33] <bitplane> thanks arand_
[19:35] <zniavre> one more apps blacklisted ....
[19:37] <bitplane> can someone help me test a bug before I raise it?
[19:38] <zniavre> let go to test
[19:38] <zniavre> what i hav to do please?
[19:38] <bitplane> if you have compiz-plugins-extra installed
[19:38] <bitplane> open ccsm and search for "deform"
[19:38] <bitplane> click the Cube Reflection and Deformation button in the search results
[19:39] <bitplane> mine has no options listed at all
[19:39] <bitplane> there should be options to set the images on the top and bottom of the cube
[19:40] <lucas-arg> where is the computer where ubuntu iso is being made?
[19:40] <torchie> Scale Addons are the jam
[19:40] <zniavre> fusioncap.png /compizcap.png
[19:40] <zniavre> i got option for images
[19:41] <torchie> something was removed from my dropbox folder what
[19:41] <bitplane> ouch, must be my install or something
[19:41] <bitplane> thanks zniavre
[19:45] <bitplane> what's the taskbar thing called in Unity?
[19:45] <KM0201> does anybody know if thunderbird has a panel applet?... (xubuntu 11.04)
[19:47] <Guest50384> is there an advantage using a beta 2 instead of beta 1?  sounds silly but, this question is being nagging at me
[19:48] <bitplane> I guess if you just upgrade automatically you'll be using beta 2
[19:48] <Pici> Guest50384: beta 2 is just a point in time snapshot of the repositories.  If you've been upgrading since installing beta 1, you're already running the latest version
[19:49] <Guest50384> right, thanks
[19:49] <Guest50384> :)
[19:50] <bitplane> I'm using 3 monitors and the Unity panel thing is on my rightmost monitor
[19:50] <bitplane> which is why I wanna know what it's called
[19:50] <Guest50384> bitplane: i think the 'taskbar thing' is just called the 'side panel'  and 'global menu' on the top panel
[19:50] <bitplane> thanks :)
[19:51] <bitplane> crappy screenshot, but I'm guessing it's not meant to be here: http://i.imgur.com/cDlRO.png
[19:53] <Guest50384> alrighty, time to try this beta vanilla style .. see ya'll on the flipside!
[19:53] <bitplane> good luck!
[19:56] <bitplane> ah, found it :)
[19:56] <bitplane> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/757652
[19:56] <bitplane> though it applies to unity 3d too
[19:57] <vooze> Would it be possible to just go beta2 now, and then upgrade when final is out?? or do i need to reinstall when final comes?
[19:59] <dajhorn> vooze: Yes, you can upgrade now and get the final release without reinstalling.
[20:01] <vooze> dajhorn,  okay, but am i correct i need to reinstall to go 11.04 beta2? from 10.10
[20:01] <dajhorn> vooze: No, you can upgrade from 10.10 to 10.04 without reinstalling.
[20:02] <dajhorn> vooze: Typo:  to 11.04 Natty
[20:02] <BluesKaj> vooze, , no , open a terminal : sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[20:03] <vooze> okay, i just read that 11.04 have so many changes it would be best to reinstall
[20:05] <vooze> so just the command the follow what it says?
[20:05] <bitplane> vooze: I'd be weary of installing it at the moment unless you don't mind testing bugs
[20:06] <bitplane> there are quite a few irritations
[20:06] <vooze> Think i will survive :)
[20:06] <vooze> guess i
[20:06] <vooze> guess i'll learn from it anyway :D
[20:07] <bitplane> is it possible to have two sessions running at once under the same user? so I can switch between gdm and Unity when testing?
[20:12] <bitplane> another dumb question... what's the bar at the top of the screen called in Unity?
[20:15] <vooze> bitplane, do you use unity? alot of my friends dont like it
[20:16] <bitplane> testing it out, seems okay though a bit immature
[20:18] <bitplane> totally screwed up my sound somehow
[20:18] <bitplane> If I choose surround sound 5.x and click test, the sound preferences program crashes
[20:19] <bitplane> since this happened the first time I can't play audio
[20:19] <bitplane> anyone know what that program's called so I can run it through gdb?
[20:19] <dajhorn> bitplane: You can start a second X11 instance by doing something like `startx -- :8` at a console prompt.
[20:20] <bitplane> dajhorn, then I just attach to it at the login screen?
[20:20] <dajhorn> bitplane: Dunno.  What do you mean by attach it?
[20:22] <dajhorn> bitplane: Pushing CTRL+ALT+F1 will take you to the first virtual console.   The default X11 session runs on CTRL+ALT+F7.   You can run secondary X11 sessions on unused VTs.
[20:22] <bitplane> ah okay thanks
[20:24] <bitplane> hmm starting and then killing x has brought my sound back again
[20:24] <bitplane> this is odd
[20:27] <bitplane> I shouldn't be able to hear music at a virtual console before I've logged in should I?
[20:28] <Ian_Corne> define music?
[20:33] <bitplane> yesterday music worked fine in banshee. then I opened the sound preferences thingy and tried to configure my speakers
[20:34] <bitplane> it crashed, not had music since
[20:34] <bitplane> but the test speakers thing worked in stereo mode, but crashes in surround sound mode
[20:34] <bitplane> so I started a second x session on console 1
[20:35] <bitplane> music started playing, my original session can't access the volume or anything anymore
[20:35] <shadeslayer> hey
[20:35] <shadeslayer> anyone have this issue : E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. ?
[20:35] <bitplane> and I can hear music if I'm at any virtual console, which I'm sure I never used to be able to do
[20:36] <shadeslayer> i also have : The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpango1.0-0 : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.8.2-2ubuntu19) but 0.8.2-2ubuntu5.1 is to be installed
[20:36] <traskers> Just about every single time I open up a menu from the global menu (whether by moving my mouse to it or using alt) it causes my whole screen to blank out (only showing the wallpaper) for a second or two, and not opening the menu. Is there a way to fix this? (Running 11.04 in Unity)
[20:37] <bitplane> traskers: sounds like a gfx driver issue?
[20:37] <bitplane> shadeslayer: have you tried removing those packages?
[20:37] <bitplane> libpango
[20:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:37] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:38] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/34807
[20:38] <bitplane> gotta reboot, see if I can fix this sound issue.. brb
[20:39] <shadeslayer> and if i remove emacs and then try to remove pango i get this : http://paste.kde.org/34813
[20:49] <ybit> eh?
[20:51] <ybit> when are we seeing gnome 3 for ubuntu?
[20:51] <rww> ybit: It's planned for 11.10, I believe. There's an unsupported PPA for 11.04 also.
[20:51] <Igashu> I believe you can already grab it from the PPA
[20:52] <Igashu> just doesn't come on the cd
[20:52] <rww> !ppa
[20:52] <MK``> I heard a totally false rumor that Ubuntu is forking GNOME and not using GNOME 3.
[20:52] <Igashu> and yeah, unsupported.
[20:52] <rww> erm, wrong one
[20:52] <rww> !gnome3
[20:52] <rww> MK``: we're not crazy enough to fork GNOME
[20:52] <maxo> hi, I'm trying to upgrade to 11.04 but I get: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages
[20:56] <astraljava> Hey guys, anyone else see just blinking cursor when booting into encrypted entire disk install, and needing to switch to VT[1-6] and then back to 7 again to see the unlock with the passphrase dialog?
[20:56] <astraljava> Couldn't find a bug with that on lp.
[20:58] <MK``> rww: you know someone will eventually make an anti-Unity GNOME 3 fork called Gubuntu
[20:59] <MK``> er... distro of ubuntu* not fork
[20:59] <Igashu> Well if Ubuntu keeps going in the same direction, who knows, maybe they'll just call the main trunk "OSX"
[20:59] <Igashu> ;)
[21:00] <Igashu> low blow, I know
[21:00] <BluesKaj> maxo, what method are you using to upgrade?
[21:00] <maxo> BluesKaj, update-manager -d
[21:01] <BluesKaj> maxo, disable any ppas in the packagemanager or sources.list
[21:02] <MK``> then Ubuntu can be Unity-buntu :D
[21:02] <traskers> Do quicklists not work in Unity 2D?
[21:05] <maxo> BluesKaj, hmmm my sources.list file only seems to have natty stuff in it now. But if I click install on the update-manager, it says the problem is with libpango1.0-0 and plymouth, so I've run apt-get upgrade libpango1.0-0 plymouth and now it seems to be doing something
[21:12] <traskers> Do Unity quicklists work in Unity 2D? I had some set up in 3D but was having issues with other things, and now when I log into 2D they aren't available.
[21:19] <karlhunt> anyone elses file menu borked?
[21:23] <solexious> Hello, Googled with no luck, is it possible to restore the system tray (can't remember its "real" name) to 10.04
[21:23] <solexious> 11.04*
[21:23] <Waldii> i had the same problem
[21:23] <solexious> I have a few apps that rely on it
[21:23] <Waldii> i logged my account off
[21:24] <Waldii> then clicked on my name
[21:24] <Waldii> und down at the bar i changed to.. to what did i change XD
[21:24] <Waldii> ehm
[21:24] <Waldii> user .. blabla, the last thing
[21:24] <Waldii> then i god a empty screen after logging in
[21:24] <Waldii> so i restartet
[21:24] <Waldii> then my ubuntu just gone black
[21:24] <Waldii> after booting
[21:25] <Waldii> but that is another problem i think
[21:25] <Waldii> i had to put the last collumn of the boot options out
[21:25] <Waldii> ./remove it
[21:25] <Waldii> then booted it
[21:25] <Tac> any chance 11.04 will rebase netbeans to 7? or will that be an 11.10 thing...
[21:25] <Waldii> and changed back to ubuntu style
[21:26] <Waldii> logged in and it was back :D
[21:26] <Waldii> maybe that could work for u XD
[21:27] <aroman> Hi, I've got a new laptop and I want to run Ubuntu on it, but the drivers that I need for wifi/graphics aren't in Maverick's kernel. They are however in Natty's. I've got Maverick on the laptop now. Is there a way I can upgrade to natty on it, right now?
[21:29] <guntbert> aroman: if it is a new install and you are willing to take the risk (still beta) - install it afresh
[21:29] <aroman> guntbert: aw I was hoping I wouldn't have to burn another CD lol
[21:29] <Waldii> mhm, i have a problem installing the ubuntu iso to a usb stick o.o
[21:29] <Waldii> http://www.abload.de/img/bildschirmfotoln7v.png
[21:29] <aroman> but it's due out in like two days, I should certainly hope its basically release-quality :P
[21:30] <guntbert> aroman: then use a usb-stick ?
[21:31] <Waldii> haha, like me
[21:31] <Waldii> but i fail
[21:31] <Waldii> xD
[21:31] <guntbert> Waldii: you reminded me of the usb-drive
[21:37] <Waldii> uhm, what? :D
[21:47] <lars_t_h> !quote
[21:53] <rww> MK``: wouldn't surprise me
[21:56] <itaylor57> KM0201: o/
[21:57] <KM0201> o/
[21:57] <itaylor57> KM0201: upgrade only took 1 hour
[21:57] <KM0201> did you finally make the jump to 11.04?
[21:57] <KM0201> not bad.. did it go smooth?
[21:57] <itaylor57> KM0201: yep
[21:57] <KM0201> well tahts good.. not ong ago, people were talking about borked upgrades constantly
[21:59] <itaylor57> KM0201: so far not a big fan of unity
[22:00] <KM0201> itaylor57, it takes some getting used to it.
[22:00] <KM0201> i didn't like it at first either
[22:01] <KM0201> unfortunately, it just kiills my old laptop, so i siwtched to xfce on my laptop.
[22:01] <KM0201> i've not tried it on my PC (much faster) yet... but i'm sure it'll be fine
[22:12] <vooze> hmm, not bad unity i think, when you get to know it
[22:14] <alex4556> hi
[22:14] <alex4556> is it possible to move the launcher in Unity to the right side of the screen?
[22:15] <MK``> No alex4556
 davidcalle: alex4556: actually wondering of the lences could be split into two panels...
[22:15] <tbf>  ...e.g. launchers on left and active lences on right
[22:15] <tbf>  "active", "smart", "interactive"
[22:15] <tbf> ...auto hide without maximized window also might be nice
[22:15] <alex4556> ?? that's not good
[22:15] <tbf> really __hate__ this window maker style
[22:16] <MK``> It's Shuttleworth's way of motivating you to learn how to program: so that you can fix terrible design issues like that, and vow to never become so disconnected
[22:16] <alex4556> you could do that even in windows 95
[22:16] <tbf> actually wondering if that retro window maker style of the left side panel is what causes all the bad reactions upon unity
[22:16] <tbf> despite that unity makes lots of sense
[22:16] <tbf> i __love__ how menu bars are integrated in the top panel
[22:17] <alex4556> I would like to make my own decissions
[22:17] <tbf> i __love__ how the top panel is used as titlebar for for maximized windows
[22:17] <MK``> I'll probably be sticking to gnome shell :/
[22:18] <alex4556> I'll probably use Debian ..
[22:18] <alex4556> it's sad
[22:18] <tbf> instead of fixing unities minor issues?
[22:19] <tbf> alex4556: MK``: fixing the lenses panel should not be that hard.
[22:19] <MK``> Just wait until he fixes it for right-to-left language support, then hijacck that change :P
[22:19] <tbf> in worst case you cook a patch to hide it and use docky :-D
[22:19] <tbf> or whatever.
[22:19] <tbf> but guess giving it a more sane style gives better karma
[22:20] <vooze> where is the old setup optins, that was in the top?? like settings etc.
[22:20] <MK``> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/668415/
[22:22] <alex4556>  I rather change distro than trying to fix things in Unity, you need to feels somehow that your work is appreciated
[22:22] <alex4556> maybe time for a new Ubuntu distro like Gubuntu based on Gnome 3
[22:23] <MK``> alex4556: rofl I literally suggested that shortly before you joined
[22:23] <alex4556> hope it will become reality soon :-)
[22:26] <tbf> just noticed the launchers take some background color from their icons... ok, explains the psychedelic effect :-D
[22:26] <tbf> alex4556: gnome-shell has its own issues
[22:27] <tbf> alex4556: and i just learned to (re)appreciate the slick polish of ubuntu after testing f15 and opensuse this weekend
[22:27] <MK``> f15?
[22:27] <tbf> alex4556: actually always thought other big distros would at least __try__ competing with ubuntu... but i was naive
[22:28] <tbf> MK``: fedora 15
[22:28] <MK``> Ah
[22:28] <Tac> well, 15 is pretty rough still I'd think....
[22:28] <jibadeeha> i can't see what the problem is with Ubuntu .. works like a beauty for me, but have others having problems due to the video card they use
[22:29] <jibadeeha> whoops mean Unity
[22:29] <alex4556> for me it's mainly about freedom, since I like to customize my desktop
[22:29] <alex4556> I can accept Unity, even if I don't like it
[22:30] <tbf> jibadeeha: mainly that old-fashioned, psychedelic launcher on the left - i'd say
[22:30] <alex4556> But I can'taccept the fact that I can't customize it
[22:30] <tbf> jibadeeha: this launcher is __ugly__
[22:30] <jibadeeha> alex4556, i imagine customisation options will come along further down the line
[22:30] <tbf> jibadeeha: most other parts of unity just make a lot of sense
[22:30] <jibadeeha> tbf, that is subjective
[22:30] <zniavre> gnome3 is mush harder to customize no ? css etc....
[22:31] <zniavre> much*
[22:31] <alex4556> I suppose it will
[22:31] <tbf> jibadeeha: sure. that's why customizations and such were invented :-D
[22:31] <alex4556> it's a bit of difference between hard to customize and not possible or for the moment not designed to be customizable
[22:32] <tbf> zniavre: especially with the boston guys' idiotic "once size fits all" attitude
[22:32] <jibadeeha> tbf, indeed and customisations will probably arrive later down the line hence why there is an option to still use classic gnome
[22:33] <alex4556> anyway, I'll stick to Ubuntu on the server side :-)
[22:34] <tbf> oh! unity even does those move-window-to-border-to-maximize tricks.
[22:34] <tbf> like it
[22:34] <alex4556> as long as I can decide what shell to use, never know of wha't comming :-)
[22:34] <zniavre> tbf,  the grid pluggin in ccsm
[22:35] <JamesJRH> Global-menu has started ignoring whether windows are maximised or not. Is this a known bug?
[22:36] <JamesJRH> No... wait...
[22:36] <alex4556> I think "Global Menu" it's a bug by itself ..
[22:37] <alex4556> I suppose it makes sense if you are an OS X user
[22:37] <tbf> alex4556: also makes a lot of sense on 12" screens and smaller
[22:37] <JamesJRH> It's stopped working on some, but not all, Firefox windows. (maximisation is irrelevant)
[22:38] <tbf> alex4556: lots of screen space saved
[22:38] <jibadeeha> works great on my netbook
[22:38] <jibadeeha> tbf, exactly
[22:38] <tbf> alex4556: actually makes even more sense if you honestly observe how you use main menus
[22:38] <JamesJRH> alex4556: I'm not an OSX user. Never have been, probably never will be.
[22:38] <tbf> alex4556: usually you only use them to discover an app. later you use shortcuts
[22:39] <MK``> Well, with the "customizability is not in our design goals attitude", Ubuntu is turning into OSX anyway ;)
[22:39] <JamesJRH> alex4556: It's just sooo space efficient.
[22:39] <tbf> alex4556: for better apps you must not even learn shortcuts, as they try to provide you all relevant actions in context sensitive toolbars and such
[22:39] <MK``> put that " in the wrong placce.
[22:39] <tbf> alex4556: ....thing ms office ribbon bar, or more sophisticated concepts
[22:40] <tbf> personally i think designing an app that truly depends on a menu bar is some kind of surrender in UX design
[22:40] <tbf> you just entirely fucked up if you users must use it frequently
[22:40] <stuart> one of the problems with the output on an external screen is still in ubuntu 11 as seen here https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28306
[22:40] <gordonjcp> tbf: I have an app that has no menu bar
[22:41] <tbf> alex4556: still i believe unity should provide some indicator weither there is a menubar
[22:41] <gordonjcp> tbf: but, I don't know where to put not-commonly-used things, and the close button
[22:41] <stuart> there is a patch there and was wondering when it would be applied / how to apply it if its not being applied
[22:41] <tbf> hovering the top panel... for "just in case"... is boring
[22:41] <JamesJRH> MK``: When Unity matures, Ubuntu will leave OS X in the dust. :D
[22:42] <tbf> gordonjcp: the close button already is in the titlebar
[22:42] <JamesJRH> :P ---> Apple.
[22:42] <jibadeeha> JamesJRH, i think it is almost there
[22:42] <tbf> gordonjcp: the lest frequent options might be hidden behind a button that shows a popup menu
[22:42] <gordonjcp> tbf: yeah, okay
[22:43] <gordonjcp> tbf: but isn't that just reinventing the context menu?
[22:43] <tbf> gordonjcp: context menu also is an option
[22:43] <gordonjcp> tbf: http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/lysdr.jpg
[22:43] <tbf> gordonjcp: well, and with that new app menu, you actually could just keep your boring old menubar...
[22:43] <gordonjcp> in the current Git version, the filter width and modes are comboboxes
[22:43] <tbf> gordonjcp: since it usually is hidden now
[22:44] <gordonjcp> tbf: I really can't cope with the menu-bar-at-the-top thing
[22:44] <JamesJRH> 4 out of 5 Firefox windows have stopped using Global Menu. ???
[22:44] <JamesJRH> Everything else is normal.
[22:44] <Waldii> guess who's back XD ehm, one question again, is switcheroo in ubuntu 11.04? xD
[22:44] <gordonjcp> tbf: I tried Unity for two weeks, and gave up; there is simply nothing I like about it
[22:45] <gordonjcp> tbf: and lots of things I absolutely cannot stand about it
[22:45] <tbf> gordonjcp: just get over your __quite justified__ trouble with apple :-D
[22:45] <gordonjcp> tbf: it's totally unusable
[22:45] <tbf> (for the menubar)
[22:45] <gordonjcp> no, the menu bar at the top is confusing
[22:46] <gordonjcp> and there's no taskbar
[22:46] <gordonjcp> which makes working out what's going on a bit hard
[22:46] <jibadeeha> unity is your taskbar
[22:47] <tbf> gordonjcp: yes. an indicator should be shown "i have a menubar, hover me!"
[22:47] <gordonjcp> tbf: or just leave the menubar on the window
[22:47] <jibadeeha> lol
[22:47] <gordonjcp> if the app isn't supposed to have a menu bar, don't write it with a menu bar
[22:47] <tbf> gordonjcp: what waste of sceen space :-)
[22:47] <gordonjcp> tbf: no worse than the pointless strip of squares down the left side in unity
[22:47] <tbf> gordonjcp: actually liked how firefox and epiphany suddenly got some chrome like style...
[22:48] <JamesJRH> gordonjcp: It's way more usable than previous releases. I even tried KDE for a while because I couldn't stand the 'Applications, Places, System' menus. And KDE sucks.
[22:48] <tbf> ...just because unity moved their app menu
[22:48] <JamesJRH> Unity is amazing.
[22:48] <zenrox> JamesJRH, imho xfce is amazing
[22:48] <jibadeeha> JamesJRH, at last someone who agrees
[22:49] <boritek> hello
[22:49] <JamesJRH> First 3 letters of anything and you have it in most cases.
[22:49] <boritek> how can i login in GDM with pamusb so that it mounts correctly the encrypted home. (my password changed since the initial password)?
[22:49] <tbf> JamesJRH: +1
[22:49] <JamesJRH> Beats looking through categories!
[22:49] <tbf> ...same concept as in gnome shell
[22:49] <gordonjcp> JamesJRH: first three letters of what?
[22:49] <gordonjcp> or in what?
[22:50] <tbf> gordonjcp: for starting apps without launcher
[22:50] <gordonjcp> oh, in the alt-f2 thing?
[22:50] <gordonjcp> that was broken last time I tried it
[22:50] <JamesJRH> tbf: I haven't used Gnome 3/shell.
[22:50] <larstorben> hi
 te <down> <enter> - terminal launched
[22:50] <JamesJRH> gordonjcp: or meta-a.
[22:50] <gordonjcp> tbf: I'm not using windows
[22:51] <tbf> (ok, have control-alt-t for it)
[22:51] <tbf> gordonjcp: still you have that key, unless you ordered a tux key - i guess :-D
[22:51] <JamesJRH> tbf: windows? It's called meta.
[22:51] <gordonjcp> tbf: ?
[22:52] <gordonjcp> tbf: at this point, you've lost me totally
[22:52] <asdffd> hi
[22:52] <MK``> My windows key was mapped to Super in Ubuntu, not Meta
[22:52] <MK``> I assumed that was the default
[22:52] <gordonjcp> windows key?
[22:52] <tbf> gordonjcp: that key with the windows symbol on it
[22:52] <JamesJRH> tbf: Tux key?!! I want one! :D
[22:52] <gordonjcp> tbf: I don't know what that is
[22:52] <tbf> gordonjcp: some people prefer to call it meta :-D
[22:52] <MK``> It depends on how you map it :P
[22:52] <tbf> +1
[22:52] <MK``> If you map it to meta you probably use emacs X)
[22:53]  * gordonjcp looks around for a non-Model M keyboard
[22:53] <asdffd> which ubuntuversion
[22:53] <MK``> 10.10
[22:53] <JamesJRH> MK``: Sorry, yes. I meant super not meta!
[22:53] <MK``> lol
[22:53] <gordonjcp> tbf: okay, which key?
[22:53] <tbf> actually i don't have much trouble to call that key windows key as i use it to map window manager/shell shortcuts
[22:53] <tbf> so somehow that name msft gave to that logo fits :-D
[22:53] <tbf> but well.
[22:53] <tbf> that's me.
[22:53] <JamesJRH> meta is alt isn't it?
[22:54] <tbf> JamesJRH: no, it should be different
[22:54] <MK``> run xmodmap in terminal
[22:54] <MK``> Meta is usually mapped to alt by default
[22:54] <JamesJRH> Oh.
[22:54] <tbf> MK``: or xev
[22:54] <MK``> I mean for a list :P
[22:55] <JamesJRH> gordonjcp: Try /super/ - a.
[22:56] <hypodermia> the last couple of days of waiting for natty is painful.
[22:56] <tbf> gordonjcp: this stupid key: http://www.fornongeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/windowsKey.jpg - but guess your mac doesn't have it :-D
[22:56] <gordonjcp> tbf: I'm not on a Mac, I'm on a PC
[22:56] <gordonjcp> tbf: laptop keyboard?
[22:56] <tbf> gordonjcp: ok. odd that you ask about that key then.
[22:56] <MK``> Laptop keyboards always come with at least one (mine has 1)
[22:57] <gordonjcp> tbf: well, I don't know what Windows looks like, particularly
[22:57] <gordonjcp> tbf: and I can't tell symbols apart
[22:57] <gordonjcp> like
[22:57] <gordonjcp> the icons in the Unity sidebar are all identical little squares
[22:57] <JamesJRH> !
[22:57] <gordonjcp> I have no way of telling them apart without mousing over each one in turn
[22:57] <asdffd> which ubutuversion
[22:57] <tbf> gordonjcp: bug?
[22:58] <JamesJRH> gordonjcp: Glasses?
[22:58] <gordonjcp> tbf: dyslexia
[22:58] <JamesJRH> gordonjcp: Oh.
[22:58] <gordonjcp> or something related to dyslexia, really
[22:58] <gordonjcp> I can read stuff like circuit diagrams just fine
[22:58] <asdffd> which ubuntuversion
[22:58] <gordonjcp> which is handy, since I'm an electronic engineer
[22:59] <JamesJRH> gordonjcp: That's common to read diagrams but not strings of characters in Dyslexia.
[22:59] <asdffd> please
[23:00] <asdffd> which
[23:00] <JamesJRH> asdffd: ?
[23:00] <asdffd> which ubuntu
[23:01] <gordonjcp> asdffd: whichever one you like
[23:01] <asdffd> for me
[23:01] <gordonjcp> that's not a really meaningful question
[23:01] <ninjai> hey guys, currently set nautilus to remember a password forever to a samba share.  I typed it wrong.  Now I can't make it 'forget' so I can enter it again.
[23:01] <asdffd> 10 10 or 11 04
[23:02] <tbf> ninjai: it doesn't bug you about bad credentials?
[23:02] <JamesJRH> asdffd: Depends on many things, but if you wait 2 days probably Natty.
[23:02] <gordonjcp> is the artwork going to be different in the final release?
[23:02] <tbf> asdffd: maybe just fetch the live image of natty, and if youc an deal with unity → natty
[23:03] <tbf> gordonjcp: doubt with only two days going
[23:03] <asdffd> no i hate unity
[23:03] <ninjai> tbf nevermind, i failed at modifying an existing address
[23:03] <tbf> gordonjcp: but probably worth to file a constructive bug report
[23:03] <gordonjcp> tbf: I'm not totally sold on the aubergine-and-septicaemia colour scheme
[23:03] <gordonjcp> I wouldn't call it a bug
[23:03] <gordonjcp> I just don't like it very much
[23:04] <JamesJRH> asdffd: Well then, you pretty much answer your own question. Go for Maverick.
[23:04] <tbf> gordonjcp: the icons vs. your eyes issue? surely an UX or accessibility bug
[23:04] <gordonjcp> tbf: well, yeah, kind of
[23:04] <asdffd> james
[23:04] <asdffd> natty has also  gnome
[23:04] <gordonjcp> tbf: but, it means that Unity is fundamentally incompatible with my brain
[23:04] <gordonjcp> tbf: the only real fix is to make it look and work like Gnome 2
[23:04] <JamesJRH> asdffd: Yes but it's not out yet.
[23:04] <tbf> gordonjcp: still the guys behind unity are motivated
[23:04] <gordonjcp> and I don't see Canonical going for that
[23:05] <gordonjcp> tbf: <shrug>
[23:05] <tbf> gordonjcp: maybe you can work out something great with them, if you constructively describe your problem
[23:05] <gordonjcp> tbf: I'll just use Xubuntu or something instead, it's fine
[23:05] <tbf> gordonjcp: nah, giving up is lame.
[23:05] <gordonjcp> tbf: I don't use Ubuntu 99% of the time anyway
[23:05] <tbf> ok.
[23:06] <gordonjcp> I only really boot into Ubuntu to check that stuff builds in Ubuntu
[23:06] <gordonjcp> at some point I'll probably need to spend a bit more time sorting out a PPA, but right now I just don't have any time
[23:06] <asdffd> unity shit
[23:07] <tbf> gordonjcp: fair enough
[23:07] <tbf> gordonjcp: guess you should try that opensuse build bots
[23:07] <gordonjcp> tbf: ah, yeah, well that's a whole 'nother can of worms
[23:08] <tbf> gordonjcp: https://build.opensuse.org/
[23:08] <gordonjcp> tbf: they don't appear to have jack development packages for Ubuntu, which means that lysdr won't build on them
[23:08] <tbf> gordonjcp: never really played with it, but it seems to build for many distros
[23:09] <asdffd> unity shit
[23:09] <tbf> gordonjcp: using build bots on my day job i know they are live changing time savers
[23:09] <gordonjcp> tbf: yeah, one of my friends has actually set up buildscripts for lysdr
[23:09] <gordonjcp> tbf: but it won't build Ubuntu packages, because jack isn't in the normal repositories
[23:09] <gordonjcp> or something
[23:10] <tbf> gordonjcp: tag, push, coffee, mail - oh, my code really integrates into into the current image
[23:10] <gordonjcp> so I need to figure out how to fix that
[23:11] <tbf> gordonjcp: hopefully obs works similarly convenient
[23:11] <JamesJRH> Why are so many people complaining about Unity! If you don't like it, use standard Gnome 3! You have that choice. I'm glad Canonical have given me a new choice that I really like, and I'm grateful for it.
[23:11] <tbf> JamesJRH: guess they just don't have used plain gnome3 yet :-D
[23:12] <JamesJRH> asdffd: What was the point in saying that?!! TWICE!
[23:12] <KM0201> anybody know how to enable control alt backspace, in xfce?
[23:13] <gordonjcp> surely you do that in xorg.conf?
[23:15] <KM0201> gordonjcp, thats y thinking, but i have no idea how to do that....
[23:15] <KM0201> gordonjcp, previously, i always installed dontzap, and followed a few commands, but dontzap is not in the repos anymore.
[23:15] <trism> KM0201: possibly: setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp; from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap since they don't list xfce
[23:16] <trism> gordonjcp: the option was removed from xorg in the version that was in karmic
[23:16] <gordonjcp> trism: entirely?
[23:16] <asdffd> when stable
[23:17] <asdffd> unity shitt
[23:17] <lcb> hm
[23:18] <trism> gordonjcp: it was moved from an x server option to an option in xkb
[23:18] <gordonjcp> asdffd: is there a reason why you keep typing the same thing over and over?
[23:18] <gordonjcp> trism: weird
[23:18] <gordonjcp> oh well
[23:18] <KM0201> trism, that seems to have done the trick.. thanks... but how do i add it to ~/.xinitrc.. to make it permanent?.. never done that before.
[23:18] <gordonjcp> it's not something I've needed often enough to actually miss in about ten years
[23:18] <asdffd> no
[23:19] <KM0201> i don't even see that file..
[23:19] <gordonjcp> I was kind of sad to see CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE go, but I mean really, when was the last time you had to kill a runaway X client *that* brutally?
[23:20] <KM0201> trism, any ideas?
[23:22] <trism> KM0201: I'm not really sure if .xinitrc will be used when you start xfce, might want to add it to the startup applications, however you do that in xfce
[23:22] <KM0201> hmm...
[23:22] <KM0201> so just make a file as executable, and then put that command in it, is that correct?
[23:22] <yofel> well, considering you can kill X using sysrq+k anyway, ctrl-alt-backsp. is somewhat unnecessary
[23:23] <KM0201> yofel, you can?
[23:23] <yofel> although that's even more brutal than ctrl-alt-bsp
[23:23] <yofel> as sysrq+k kills anything on the current VT, which on TTY7 happens to be X usually
[23:24] <JamesJRH> In FF4, why doesn't ^Q ask me to save and quit?
[23:24]  * yofel wonders if he just tried that out ^^
[23:24] <lcb> lol, yeap, looks like
[23:26] <lcb> wb KM0201, how's SysRq+k working?
[23:26] <KM0201> yofel, that worked perfect, thanks
[23:26] <yofel> :D
[23:26] <lcb> lol
[23:26] <KM0201> lcb, it actually took me a second, because my sysrq is under prtsc.. and i thought "shift" would activate it.. turns out, its 'ALT'.. go figure..
[23:27] <KM0201> so it was a bit of a trial and error process
[23:27] <yofel> !sysrq
[23:27] <yofel> the wiki has the full list of keys
[23:27] <KM0201> ctrl alt backspace rolls off the fingers a little easier, but i can adjust to alt prtsc K
[23:28] <lcb> hehehe KM0201, that was a good one.. reminded me the "Press alt+f4" to tease ppl
[23:28] <KM0201> lcb, actually, it was what i wanted it to do.. yofel has been around long enough, that i figured eventually a key combination similar to that would get it to work
[23:29] <yofel> heh
[23:29] <lcb> :)
[23:29] <yofel> use with caution though, since you can use sysrq as a replacement for your PCs reset  button too :P
[23:30] <KM0201> yofel, i don't do it very often at all, i just like having it if something is misbehaving.
[23:31]  * yofel nods
[23:34] <JamesJRH> Hey! Cool, I always wondered what SysRq was! Thanks yofel! (and ubottu) :D
[23:34] <JamesJRH> Hmm... annoying that NM depends on X.
[23:35] <KM0201> JamesJRH, lol.. i've been using linux for the better part of 10yrs, sole OS for the last 5-6.. and I just found out this morning in #ubuntu that terminal had tab complete..lol.
[23:35] <KM0201> been a while since i really learned something in #ubuntu.. i was quite amazed
[23:35] <JamesJRH> :D
[23:36] <JamesJRH> :P
[23:37] <JamesJRH> It'd be useful if loging out wouldn't stop the network.
[23:37] <trism> JamesJRH: click the "make available for all users" checkbox at the bottom of the dialog for editing connections and it won't
[23:39] <bitplane> hey, anyone using a surround sound system here with a sub?
[23:39] <Waldii> is there someone who worked with switcheroo? :/
[23:39] <bitplane> i've got an odd bug, when I double click a track in banshee my sub disables until I change my sound settings
[23:40] <bitplane> it's like it defaults to stereo
[23:42] <JamesJRH_> Yep, it works! I'm logged out right now! :D
[23:45] <JamesJRH> But selecting "Available to all users" restarted my mobile broadband and gave me a new IP address which is why I lost connection to IRC.
[23:46] <JamesJRH> Is there a way of accessing NM from the command line?
[23:47] <rww> !info cnetworkmanager
[23:47] <JamesJRH> I've used netcfg and stuff in the past, but I want something that integrates with the GUI NM.
[23:48] <JamesJRH> Hmm... I think I tried that on Arch Linux a year ago.
[23:48] <JamesJRH> I couldn't access mobile broadband.
[23:48] <rww> ah, I missed that bit. yeah, I think it's focused on wifi
[23:49] <JamesJRH> Only ethernet and WiFi.
[23:49] <JamesJRH> If it did mobile broadband it'd be great.
[23:51] <hypetech> why are VNC ports listening on a default natty install?
[23:51] <JamesJRH> Can I make networks connect automatically before login?
[23:52] <trism> JamesJRH: with wifi, when you make it available to all users, it will connect during boot before you log in, I don't know about mobile broadband, although I'd guess it would be the same
[23:53] <Pici>  = new JLabel();
[23:53] <Pici>
[23:53] <JamesJRH> trism: Thanks.