[04:32] <Kilos> morning peeps
[04:39] <TheMurdz> Morning Kilos
[04:39] <Kilos> hi TheMurdz
[04:39] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[04:40] <TheMurdz> Thanks a bunch!
[04:40] <Kilos> you havent been here before hey?
[04:41] <TheMurdz> Nope, Only started engaging with local communities today.
[04:41] <Kilos> great you are welcome to hang here 24/7
[04:41] <Kilos> tell us a bit about yourself
[04:42] <Kilos> like where you are and what system you use etc
[04:42] <Kilos> you know who weare hey?
[04:42] <Kilos> we are
[04:42] <TheMurdz> Awe, Thanks. Sounds like a plan. Well, I'm a sysadmin for one of ZA's ISPs, We don't really use Ubuntu for production, and our workstations are mainly MacOS unless we ask for something else. My personal systems at home though use Ubuntu though.
[04:42] <TheMurdz> I assume you're all ZA's Ubuntu community ?
[04:43] <Kilos> yip thats us
[04:43] <TheMurdz> Well I'm based in JHB. I live the early life, usually up already at 5am. Cleaning up Naemon...
[04:44] <Kilos> we invite all linux users and even have the odd windows person here when he needs help migrating to linux
[04:44] <Kilos> cool we have quite a few sysadmins here
[04:44] <TheMurdz> hahaha, great great. Good morning to the one Windows user wherever he/she roams.
[04:45] <TheMurdz> Great to hear!
[04:45] <Kilos> may i ask which isp
[04:46] <TheMurdz> Afrihost
[04:46] <Kilos> cool quite a few guys use it
[04:47] <Kilos> now they have direct contact
[04:47] <TheMurdz> Nice. haha, Well I'll only really help out with hosting and it's infrastructure. The residential connectivity side of things I can't really help out with much.
[04:48] <TheMurdz> I'm open to help, but if things break, I'll just be handing out delayed responses. I'm sure you understand why though.
[04:48] <Kilos> yeah but you could maybe point them to the correct peeps when they have hassles
[04:50] <TheMurdz> Sure, that's cool with me. You seem like the only one awake so early?
[04:50] <Kilos> our fly is most likely half asleep on the train to work
[04:51] <Kilos> and other sysadmins do most of their work after everyone else goes home
[04:51] <TheMurdz> Oh, shame man.
[04:51] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[04:51] <Kilos> lol
[04:51] <TheMurdz> Oh haha, nice.
[04:54] <Kilos> more mazal
[04:56] <mazal> More oom
[04:57] <mazal> Wat seg daai bot , hoe lank gaan ons koud kry ?
[04:57] <Kilos> ai!
[04:58] <Kilos> Maaz forecast pretoria
[04:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Thursday: Partly Cloudy. High: 22° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 9° C., Friday: Partly Cloudy. High: 22° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 10° C., Saturday: Clear. High: 24° C., Saturday Night: Clear. Low: 12° C., Sunday: Clear. High: 26° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 12° C., Monday: Clear. High: 27° C., Monday Night: Clear.
[04:58] <Maaz> Low: 14° C., Tuesday: Clear. High: 28° C., Tuesday Night: Clear. Low: 15° C., Wednesday:…
[04:58] <mazal> 22 ? Sal dit glo as ek dit voel
[04:58] <TheMurdz> Time to move the server racks outside.  It's too cold. Turn away. Sleep further.
  Searching now for full offline solution for install , none
[06:05] <Kilos> oh mazal we looked at that on trello
[06:05] <mazal> Developer answer: " We live in 21st century and don't care about the minority that don't have internet "
[06:05] <Kilos> there are ways
[06:05] <mazal> He clearly don't live in SA
[06:05] <Kilos> inetpro tell him
[06:06] <Kilos> mazal what app do you need to get?
[06:06] <mazal> Forge
[06:06] <mazal> Minecraft forge to be more exact
[06:06] <Kilos> get that and run apt rdepends for all the dependancies
[06:07] <Kilos> ai!
[06:07] <Kilos> you and your games
[06:07] <mazal> Have nothing else oom
[06:07] <thatgraemeguy> to be honest its hard to fault him on that.... trying to be a normal user of a PC without good internet access is hard enough, but for a power user / enthusiast..... that's just so rare it isn't worth the effort to try and support that scenario
[06:07] <mazal> Don't even have tv
[06:07] <Kilos> ai!
[06:08] <Kilos> told you get your 3g working and chat to us at night man
[06:08] <Kilos> forget gaming
[06:08] <Kilos> you missed lots last night
[06:08] <mazal> thatgraemeguy: Yeah I can understand that answer. The problem is SA and the dreadful customer service and lack of infrastructure here , not the developer's fault
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> exactly
[06:09] <Kilos> hmm... cupasoup lekker in the cold
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> also the lack of infrastructure is not as widespread even here
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> not saying there isn't a lack in some places but because of vocal minority effect it seems worse than it really is
[06:09] <mazal> Oom it's very lonely at home , gaming is literaly all I have. No wife , no kids , no pets , no tv , no internet , no hot water , nothing !!!!
[06:10] <Kilos> eish no hot water even
[06:10] <TheMurdz> Ouch...
[06:10] <thatgraemeguy> no attachments..... time to move somewhere better then :)
[06:10] <mazal> Kilos: No hot water for a week now yes
[06:10] <Kilos> ai!
[06:10] <mazal> Geaser broke , none in stock to replace
[06:11] <thatgraemeguy> where do you live exactly? :-o
[06:11] <mazal> Cullinan. Problem with the geyser thing is I live on goverment terrain. That will say it all
[06:12] <mazal> I hire a flat with them
[06:12] <mazal> So physical breakdowns on the flats gets repaired at goverment pace
[06:12] <thatgraemeguy> population 8,693
[06:12] <mazal> Nah is not really a very small town actually
[06:13] <thatgraemeguy> yeah man, you need to move. that place isn't on anyone's priority list sadly
[06:13] <mazal> Can't afford it on my salary
[06:13] <thatgraemeguy> not with THAT attitude! ;p
[06:14] <mazal> Cost of living is so high I simply can't afford it , it's a fact
[06:14] <mazal> Only thing is to try and find better work then
[06:15] <thatgraemeguy> go for it, apply all over, sounds like you have nothing to lose
[06:16] <mazal> White male over 40 in SA , with no qualifications , what's te chance
[06:16] <thatgraemeguy> I guess with that kind of attitude, then no chance
[06:17] <mazal> Me and Barry have a bussness idea though which is much better me thinks
[06:17] <mazal> But we need capital
[06:17] <mazal> Something here that everyone needs and is not here yet , Postnet
[06:25] <TheMurdz> omg... Ubuntu and Hyper-V don't like playing along today... tsk tsk
[06:25] <TheMurdz> Well, every day really.
[06:28] <TheMurdz> Don't know if anyone knows about it, but it seems like ubuntu VMs hosted on HyperV hangs on shutdown with "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility", an end user gave me a fix a while back, I'll dig this up and share if anyone has the same problem :(
[06:31] <TheMurdz> >> apt-get install hv-kvp-daemon-init linux-tools-`uname -r` linux-cloud-tools-`uname -r`
[06:31] <TheMurdz> This was the fix, let's see how well it works.
[06:42] <Kilos> waiting
[06:44] <TheMurdz> End user taking their time...
[06:45] <Kilos> if it works save the fix , sooner or later someone will need it
[06:46] <Kilos> TheMurdz you know you can use apt on its own from 14.04
[06:47] <TheMurdz> I had no idea, just tried it now. NEAT!. Thanks Kilos.
[06:47] <Kilos> np
[06:47] <Kilos> we just heard about it a couple or few weeks ago
[06:50] <mazal> maaz cofee on
[06:50] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[06:50] <mazal> maaz coffee on
[06:50]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[06:50] <mazal> maaz large
[06:50] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you mazal
[06:50] <mazal> maaz larger
[06:50] <Maaz> Sorry mazal  No more than a beer mug full is allowed.  WOO Save'd
[06:54] <Kilos> cool
[06:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for mazal!
[06:55] <mazal> maaz dankie man
[06:55] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[06:55] <mazal> hehehe cheeky bot
[07:02] <mazal> Oom Kilos , you still using psensor without issues ?
[07:02] <Kilos> not using it at all mazal
[07:03] <Kilos> did i ever
[07:03] <mazal> Yes you told me about it
[07:03] <Kilos> nee man
[07:03] <mazal> is
[07:03] <Kilos> what does it do
[07:03] <mazal> monitor cpu temp
[07:03] <Kilos> oh my
[07:04] <Kilos> must have been on a desktop
[07:04] <Kilos> ive forgotten about it
[07:04] <Kilos> this lappy runs cool with an ssd in
[07:05] <mazal> Just going through my active stuff here to see what's running and saw it
[07:05] <Kilos> ah
[07:05] <Kilos> you still going slow there
[07:05] <mazal> Still looking for what could cause me issues
[07:05] <mazal> Yep
[07:06] <mazal> Thing is , once everything is up and running then it's fine. It's the boot , the log-in and opening file manager that has issues
[07:06] <mazal> And opening an app
[07:06] <mazal> Once the app is open though it works normal
[07:07] <mazal> Dies kinda sound like HDD doesn't it.
[07:07] <mazal> does*
[07:07] <Kilos> i dont know, they dont seem to slow down much here
[07:08] <Kilos> and i have some old ones
[07:08] <Kilos> is it sata or still ide
[07:08] <mazal> SATA
[07:08] <Kilos> size?
[07:08] <mazal> Well the old drives was much better. These new ones , I dunno. Lost 2x 2TB lately , both were not even 2 years old
[07:09] <Kilos> where are they now
[07:09] <Kilos> i need 2tb spares
[07:09] <mazal> This one is a 1TB , but 2 partitions
[07:09] <mazal> 250gig OS , the rest storage
[07:09] <mazal> I "helped" them out the door oom
[07:10] <Kilos> man i told you long ago i need old drives for spares
[07:10] <Kilos> i have a 2tb that needs a platter
[07:10] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel met my volk
[07:11] <Kilos> did you look at that link i gave you on speeding up kubuntu
[07:17] <mazal> How would I get it to you oom ?
[07:18] <mazal> Post office also had no service delivery
[07:18] <mazal> has*
[07:18] <Kilos> i can ask my son to stop there on his way past
[07:18] <mazal> Oh ok , does he live close here ?
[07:18] <Kilos> he travels all over sorting clients
[07:19] <mazal> Ok will remember that , will give a shout when the next one breaks , my storage one at home is close to breaking
[07:19] <mazal> And that's a 2tb
[07:19] <Kilos> he is in rustyenburg but travels to places like thabantsimbi at times
[07:19] <mazal> Also only about 3 years old and I can hear it "clanking". Not far from dead
[07:20] <Kilos> oh my
[07:20] <Kilos> thats bad
[07:20] <mazal> Yeah , the old smaller drives was much tougher
[07:21] <mazal> I have much much older 500gig drives that's still going without issue
[07:21] <Kilos> yeah
[07:21] <Kilos> now they making them even larger
[07:21] <mazal> BTW , what's the lifetime of the SSD's ? They will have only so many read/writes ?
[07:23] <Kilos> http://betanews.com/2014/12/05/modern-ssds-can-last-a-lifetime/
[07:23] <Kilos> hehe
[07:24] <Kilos> this one im using here was a discard from a windows pc
[07:24] <Kilos> works lekker
[07:26] <Sxuza> hey guys :)
[07:26] <Sxuza> 	http://myvoipwireless.co.za  <-- what do  u guys think of these people and their services , in comparison with the current services we have in the country for Wireless connections
[07:26] <Kilos> hi Sxuza
[07:27] <Sxuza> hey Kilos
 i have a 2tb that needs a platter
[07:28] <thatgraemeguy> huh? you want to replace a single platter?
[07:28] <Kilos> or both , im not sure if both are bust
[07:28] <thatgraemeguy> you realise you cannot replace a platter?
[07:29] <Kilos> why?
[07:29] <TheMurdz> Heya Sxuza
[07:29] <thatgraemeguy> because the inside of a HDD is cleaner than most hospitals'
[07:29] <thatgraemeguy> ... operating theatres
[07:29] <thatgraemeguy> once you open it, game over, throw it away
[07:29] <Kilos> the cleanliness part i understand yes
[07:30] <Kilos> same as formula 1 engines
[07:30] <Kilos> built it totally dust free areas
[07:30] <mazal> Interesting read that about the SSD lifespan. Some interesting comments as well
[07:30] <thatgraemeguy> ok so how did you hope to replace a platter then?
[07:31] <Kilos> in the bathroom after steam has settled
[07:31] <thatgraemeguy> mazal: we have offered SSD as an option for a good few years now, and I have never had to replace a dead one. On the other hand, there are at least 5-6 HDD failures a month
[07:32] <thatgraemeguy> lol
[07:32] <thatgraemeguy> Kilos: for real?
[07:32] <mazal> Good to know thanx thatgraemeguy
[07:32] <thatgraemeguy> you say you understand the cleanliness, but i don't think you have any idea, sorry :p
[07:32] <Kilos> the biggest prob i think will be getting all the spacers and top nut back in exactly the same place because of balancing holes
[07:33] <thatgraemeguy> you cannot replace a HDD platter. period. the tolerances those things are assembled with you cannot hope to get anywhere near, nevermind the cleanliness factor
[07:33] <Kilos> ive done a 500g and its been going 2 years now i think
[07:33] <thatgraemeguy> hah, ok then
[07:34] <Kilos> there are many sites that show you how to do it
[07:34] <Kilos> but now using the lappy with the ssd i hardly ever get to the desktop anymore
[07:37] <Kilos> one must never be afraid to try things
[07:38] <Kilos> thats how data recovery peeps work. when the mechanical stuff on a drive packs up they put those platters into a new one and charge you 6k
[07:54] <mazal> Ok here comes trouble , I finished my lunchbox and it's not even 10 yet :P
[07:54] <mazal> Maaz start making steak boet
[07:54] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[07:54] <Kilos> lol
[07:55] <mazal> And we already cheated twice this week
[07:55] <mazal> ( we only allowed take-aways on Fridays )
[07:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:59] <mazal> maaz google stop an app launching on startup kde
[07:59] <Maaz> mazal: "kde - How to control programs run at startup? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/487920/how-to-control-programs-run-at-startup :: "kubuntu - KDE opens recent session applications - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/118591/kde-opens-recent-session-applications :: "boot - How do I add/modify/remove startup programs in KDE ..."
[07:59] <Maaz> http://superuser.com/questions/158765/how-do-i-add-modify-remove-startup-programs-in-kde :: "System Se…
[08:08] <mazal> Hmm I wound up in the service manager. Wonder if it's save to disabled running stuff I don't need like bluetooth and touchpad
[08:09] <Kilos> you can set touchpad to disable when usb mouse is used
[08:09] <Kilos> and my bluetooth thing is disabled
[08:12] <chesedo> morning Kilos mazal thatgraemeguy inetpro Sxuza and all others
[08:13] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[08:13] <chesedo> and hi TheMurdz... welcome
[08:13] <thatgraemeguy> morning chesedo
[08:13]  * chesedo 's intro is only that he is a student based in Pretoria North
[08:14] <mazal> Hi chesedo
[08:14] <chesedo> see Kilos ^^ not all too shy
[08:14] <Kilos> lol
[08:14] <mazal> oom Kilos !!! I think I fixed my notifier bug that been plaguing me so long :)
[08:14] <Kilos> well done
[08:14] <Kilos> oh tell me how
[08:15] <chesedo> Maaz: ubuntu shutdown on Hyper-V fix is <reply> apt-get install hv-kvp-daemon-init linux-tools-`uname -r` linux-cloud-tools-`uname -r`
[08:15] <Kilos> my knotify often crashes
[08:15] <Maaz> chesedo: If you say so
[08:15] <mazal> In those services was a muon-application notifier. For some reason it was disabled. Enabled it and few minutes later Notifier pops up on the task bar that there is updates
[08:15] <TheMurdz> Morning Chesedo!
[08:15] <TheMurdz> And thanks!
[08:16] <Kilos> chesedo ty i forgot the bot
[08:16] <mazal> Now I get it fixed few fix before re-install :P
[08:16] <mazal> few days*
[08:16] <thatgraemeguy> wait, we can teach maaz new stuff?
[08:16]  * thatgraemeguy grins
[08:16] <Kilos> thatgraemeguy you also in CT hey?
[08:17]  * thatgraemeguy looks out the window
[08:17] <thatgraemeguy> yup
[08:17] <Kilos> ok watch
[08:17] <TheMurdz> loll
[08:17] <mazal> Now how am I gonna remember that
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz thatgraemeguy is <reply> Capetown
[08:17] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[08:17] <Kilos> we are recording who is where
[08:18] <Kilos> Maaz TheMurdz is <reply> Johannesburg
[08:18] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[08:18] <chesedo> TheMurdz: out of interest, does AfriHost allow ssh on their shared hosting?
[08:19] <TheMurdz> Yes, Afrihost does, just jailed. (cPanel Jailed shell)
[08:19] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz: where is TheMurdz
[08:19] <Maaz> Johannesburg
[08:19] <TheMurdz> JHB
[08:19] <thatgraemeguy> well look at that
[08:19] <chesedo> TheMurdz: great to hear ty
[08:19] <TheMurdz> :)
[08:20]  * chesedo now has a bit more faith in SA hosts
[08:21] <mazal> maaz where is Kilos
[08:21] <Maaz> Just west of Pretoria
[08:21] <mazal> Hmm , nice
[08:21] <Kilos> mazal add your info
[08:21] <chesedo> oh also accidentally discovered vim's short command history in visual form - using `q:'
[08:21] <mazal> maaz mazal is <reply> gat gat
[08:21] <Maaz> mazal: I'll remember that
[08:21] <Kilos> nee man
[08:21] <mazal> is
[08:21] <Kilos> Maaz forget mazal
[08:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:22] <Kilos> Maaz mazal is <reply> Cullinan
[08:22] <Maaz> Kilos: I'll remember that
[08:22] <mazal> maaz mazal is <reply> Zonderwater, Cullinan
[08:22] <Maaz> mazal: I already know stuff about mazal
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <mazal> maaz forget mazal
[08:22] <Maaz> mazal: Sure
[08:22] <mazal> maaz mazal is <reply> Zonderwater, Cullinan
[08:22] <Maaz> mazal: If you say so
[08:22] <Kilos> Maaz mazal
[08:22] <Maaz> Zonderwater, Cullinan
[08:22] <mazal> Daarsy
[08:22] <Kilos> good
[08:22] <Kilos> los nou uit
[08:23] <mazal> I am so chuffed I found that month long problem , ai
[08:23] <mazal> And that while looking for something else :P
[08:23] <Kilos> always
[08:23] <mazal> Question now is , why couldn't any google answer I could get my hands on point me to that
[08:36] <mazal> Ai still can't find where psensor startup is
[08:37] <mazal> It's not in services , it's not in autostart , it's not in ~./kde4/autostart
[08:38] <mazal> Anywhere else I can look ?
[08:39] <Kilos> konsole
[08:39] <Kilos> i think you start and stop it there
[08:40] <mazal> I want to disable it not to autostart at all
[08:40] <Kilos> thet remove it
[08:40] <Kilos> then
[08:40] <Kilos> aptitude remove psensor
[08:41] <mazal> Also don't wan to do that , want to use it only when I need it
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:41] <mazal> In the app settings itself there isn't a autostart setting either
[08:41] <Kilos> do you have heating probs
[08:41] <mazal> Nope
[08:41] <mazal> Maybe I must just remove it
[08:42] <Kilos> then why worry about psensor
[08:42] <chesedo> mazal: try http://askubuntu.com/questions/487920/how-to-control-programs-run-at-startup
[08:43] <mazal> chesedo: I already been to that same link. It's not in any of those folders mentioned
[08:44] <mazal> I wonder of a search for psensor.desktop would yield something
[08:44] <mazal> In one of the links I read autostart files are sometimes .desktop files
[08:44] <Kilos> look in home
[08:44] <Kilos> and unhide them
[08:45] <mazal> Already checked home's autostart , isn't there
[08:45] <Kilos> then just remove it
[08:45] <mazal> I think so
[08:59] <chesedo> mazal: yes, its desktop file has this line `X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay=30`
[09:01] <chesedo> but still not a startup "command"
[09:08] <mazal> I think that was the last of the unneccesary running stuff. Will see how it goes now
[09:16] <Xsm> good day everyone
[09:22] <mazal> Lo Xsm
[09:24] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[09:25] <mazal> Shees the incompetance in this country is shocking. Even though I have had no service for almost 6 weeks now and still have no service , I just now got my Telkom account , full charge , not a single days credit.
[09:25]  * mazal shakes head
[09:27] <Kilos> complain to the CEO man
[09:27] <Xsm> heya mazal
[09:28] <bushtech> morning Kilos
[09:29] <chesedo> hi Xsm
[09:30] <Xsm> heya chesedo
[09:30] <Xsm> heya bushtech
[09:32] <bushtech> hi Xsm
[09:44] <mazal> Kilos: How do I send a tweet to Telkom , I setup twitter for myself now
[09:46] <mazal> One can only write like 2 lines ? That won't do
[09:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:52] <Kilos> Maaz google telkoza on twitter
[09:52] <Maaz> Kilos: "Koza Kebap Menu, Menu for Koza Kebap, Ümraniye Merkez ..." https://www.zomato.com/istanbul/koza-kebap-%C3%BCmraniye-merkez-istanbul/menu :: "Koza Kebap, Ümraniye Merkez, İstanbul - Zomato Turkey" https://www.zomato.com/istanbul/koza-kebap-%C3%BCmraniye-merkez-istanbul
[09:52] <Kilos> ai!
[09:52] <Kilos> Maaz google telkomza on twitter
[09:52] <Maaz> Kilos: "Telkom (@TelkomZA) | Twitter" https://twitter.com/telkomza?lang=en :: "Nate Maingard on Twitter: "Ok @HelloTelkom @TelkomZA you sent ..." https://twitter.com/NateMaingard/status/715895603327332352 :: "Bravado Gaming on Twitter: "Our album from tonight's ..." https://twitter.com/bravadogaming/status/690303937065410560 :: "TelkomZA - MyBroadband"
[09:52] <Maaz> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/544781-TelkomZA :: "Telkom - Facebook" https://www.faceboo…
[09:53] <mazal> Kilos I found it , but twitter is to restricted , can hardly write anything
[09:53] <Kilos> you cant write books no
[09:53] <Kilos> short and sweet
[09:54] <mazal> I spam their FB page and Hello Peter again now
[09:54] <TheMurdz> Good morning / afternoon Xsm :)
[09:54] <Kilos> TheMurdz Xsm is my son
[09:54] <mazal> It's ridiculous how bad it is
[09:55] <TheMurdz> Woah, that's neat haha.
[09:56] <mazal> Nice :) Didn't even know that
[09:57] <mazal> Kilos: What's the CEO's mail adress ?
[09:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:58] <Kilos> lemme hunt
[09:58] <mazal> I am beyond de m@er in now
[09:59] <Kilos> Maaz google telkom CEO email address
[09:59] <Maaz> Kilos: "Management Team - Telkom" https://www.telkom.co.za/sites/aboutus/companyinfo/companymanagement/managementteam/ :: "Telkom SA (Ltd) | South African Government" http://www.gov.za/about-government/contact-directory/organisation/672/26 :: "••• Solving a Telkom Problem- Hellkom.co.za" http://www.hellkom.co.za/pages/resolving-a-telkom-dispute.php :: "TELKOM
[09:59] <Maaz> SA SOC LTD | Who's Who SA" http://whoswho.co.za/TELKOM-SA-SOC-LTD :: "Sipho Maseko the n…
[10:00] <Kilos> Maaz google sipho maseko email address
[10:00] <Maaz> Kilos: "Telkom SA (Ltd) | South African Government" http://www.gov.za/about-government/contact-directory/organisation/672/26 :: "Sipho changed his email address its... - People against Telkom poor ..." https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1602669349965361&id=1580149488884014 :: "Sipho Maseko | Who's Who SA" http://whoswho.co.za/sipho-maseko-398920 ::
[10:00] <Maaz> "Management Team - Telkom" https://www.telkom.co.za/sites/aboutus/companyinfo/companymanag…
[10:00] <Kilos> in een van daai lienks sal jy dit kry
[10:01] <Kilos> kap hom even op facebook
[10:01] <mazal> telkom.co.za doesn't even work
[10:01] <Kilos> http://whoswho.co.za/TELKOM-SA-SOC-LTD
[10:02] <mazal> Typical , no contact details. Hiding in their smart offices with their big salaries
[10:02] <Kilos> maar wees um
[10:02] <Kilos> er
[10:02] <Kilos> something skik
[10:03] <Kilos> nie onbeskof nie
[10:03] <Kilos> somewhere i got it
[10:03] <Kilos> maybe on lappy other drive
[10:03] <mazal> They don't even have email adresses in their contacts at their main page
[10:04] <Kilos> daai twitter link werk gewwonlik
[10:04] <Kilos> hulle sal jou private chat
[10:06] <mazal> Posted in a "ask a question" thing now
[10:06] <Kilos> keep looking, somewhere you will find his office email addy
[10:12] <Kilos> sjoe he isnt easy to mail
[10:13] <Kilos> Maaz google sipho masko on twitter
[10:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Telkom reveals big turnaround plan - BusinessTech" http://businesstech.co.za/news/telecommunications/57331/telkom-reveals-big-turnaround-plan/ :: "Paiste: Artists-> Search Artists" http://www.paiste.com/e/artistslist.php?famid=2&menuid=31&famname=Signature+Dark+Energy :: "Did commission err on Telkom, MTN deal? | TechCentral" http://www.techcentral.co.za
[10:13] <Maaz> /did-commission-err-on-telkom-mtn/59173/
[10:13] <Kilos> ai!
[10:32] <Kilos> mazal you find it?
[10:32] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[10:34] <superfly> hi
[10:34] <superfly> lunch time
[11:24] <inetpro> superfly: lunchtime is over, start working for a change
[11:26] <Kilos> lol
[11:35] <mazal> Kilos nope
[11:35] <Kilos> ai!
[11:37] <mazal> Wednesday I am going to PTA , if the mobile is not done by then I tear up that application also
[11:37] <mazal> Then I will look to Afrihost or such for service
[11:37] <mazal> If I have to struggle with bad signal then so be it
[11:38] <mazal> Will have to take everything off my network and do just basic stuffs like mail and browsing. But there is no way left
[11:39] <Kilos> they must have routers at the telkom shops man
[11:40] <mazal> Well they have 6 days left
[11:40] <Kilos> call a couple of different telkom shops
[11:40] <mazal> Then I tear it up in thier face and have a good mind to set fire to it in the shop as well
[11:41] <Kilos> maybe the one you went to didnt like your hair style
[11:41] <mazal> I don't have a hair style :P
[11:41] <Kilos> dont be hardegat
[11:41] <Kilos> be diplomatic
[11:41] <mazal> After 6 weeks of patience I have the right to be hardegat
[11:41] <Kilos> Maaz diplomat
[11:41] <Maaz> A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip
[11:41] <mazal> It's because we are not hardegat that nobody gives service
[11:42] <Kilos> nope
[11:42] <Kilos> you trek hardegat they get you back in other ways
[11:42] <mazal> And as far as the wrong billing goes , gonna take them to court if they don't sort it
[11:42] <Kilos> like make you wait
[11:42] <mazal> They want a fight , they gonna get one.
[11:43] <Kilos> lol
[11:43] <Kilos> you too small man
[11:43] <mazal> They don't know this bewaarder when he is pissed off
[11:44] <mazal> It's becuase nobody do anything that they just get away with murder
[11:44] <Kilos> too late
[11:46] <Kilos> ai! board meeting at 10pm tonight
[11:46] <Kilos> sigh
[11:46] <Kilos> inetpro i need to retire now
[11:51] <mazal> Who here is the afrihost man ?
[11:51] <Kilos> they use mtn towers
[11:51] <Kilos> TheMurdz
[11:52] <TheMurdz> Heya!
[11:52] <dlPhreak> Greetings
[11:52] <TheMurdz> Sorry, was AFK
[11:52] <Kilos> np
[11:52] <Kilos> mazal praat man
[11:52] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak
[11:52] <mazal> TheMurdz: I am looking for info that I can't find on your site
[11:52] <dlPhreak> Kilos hi
[11:53] <mazal> Do you know , the mobile data , does it have double midnight data also , or is it just anytime data ?
[11:54] <TheMurdz> Sorry, just reading up
[11:54] <TheMurdz> @Mazal, The mobile data as far as I know is straight up, so if you have a 3GB package, it's just 3GB, nothing special like the DSL Packages
[11:54] <mazal> K thanx
[11:54] <TheMurdz> Cool
[11:55] <mazal> I see you guys also don't have routers
[11:55] <mazal> The B series specifically
[11:55] <Kilos> mazal dont fight him he isnt the sales rep
[11:55] <TheMurdz> Well, just the Netgear DGN2200 here https://www.afrihost.com/site/hardware/modems_wifi/#?src=website_nav
[11:55] <Kilos> lol
[11:55] <TheMurdz> loll
[11:56] <mazal> Kilos: I aint fighting , I am asking info
[11:56] <Kilos> im teasing man
[11:56] <Kilos> haha
[11:57] <TheMurdz> hehe
[11:57] <mazal> TheMurdz: But that one is for ADSL only ? Or am I missing something
[11:57] <Kilos> you van der merwes when you get cross with one okey fight with eaveryone around you for 3 days
[11:58] <TheMurdz> Yes, it's only ADSL ready, We don't have anything else on the site but Mobile units. I know we may carry Zyxel somewhere. We just don't show it on the site.
[11:58] <mazal> Ish
[11:58] <TheMurdz> But that's about as much as , I last heard, that we had available.
[11:59] <mazal> Kilos: I ain't fighting man
[11:59] <Kilos> rofl
[11:59] <Kilos> see
[12:00] <mazal> Kilos: So looks like that routers are really out of stock nowehere to be found
[12:00] <mazal> And the wi-fi ones I can't use , must have ethernet
[12:00] <Kilos> why must it be that one
[12:00] <mazal> See above
[12:00] <mazal> Ethernet
[12:00] <Kilos> lemme see this one of ians
[12:01] <mazal> The B series is the only ones I could see that have 4 ethernet ports , that is my need
[12:01] <Kilos> 4 eth and wifi
[12:02] <Kilos> d-link 2750-U
[12:02] <mazal> Is that a mobile router though ?
[12:02] <Kilos> well
[12:02] <mazal> That takes mobile sim card I mean
[12:02] <Kilos> it hasnt got wheels on
[12:02] <TheMurdz_> Sorry, DC'd
[12:02] <mazal> Nee man
[12:03] <TheMurdz_> Thunderbolt screens...
[12:03] <Kilos> yes i run it with my dlink usb dongle
[12:03] <mazal> So no , it can't take a sim
[12:03] <mazal> But can take a 3g dongle
[12:03] <Kilos> no you plug in your bongle
[12:03] <Kilos> dongle
[12:04] <mazal> That I don't have
[12:04] <Kilos> you do
[12:04] <mazal> Mine is vodacom dongle
[12:04] <Kilos> so what
[12:04] <mazal> Prob won't work with MTN sim
[12:04] <Kilos> you make it work
[12:05] <Kilos> you forget i started with a suadi arabian modem here
[12:05] <Kilos> you unlock them then use any sim
[12:05] <mazal> Afrihost is MTN mos , so that sim won't work with the Vodacom dongle ten to 1
[12:06] <mazal> I wonder of d-link has sim models ?
[12:06] <Kilos> you got to gsm unlock and give them the imei number and they give you the unlock code
[12:07] <Kilos> j inetpro has one
[12:07] <Kilos> or not
[12:07] <Kilos> i forget now
[12:08] <mazal> If I could get one of those somewhere , then I can just get the sim and data from Afrihost. Am I correct TheMurdz_ ?
[12:09] <Kilos> you dont get mtn signal
[12:09] <TheMurdz_> Yea, pretty much.
[12:09] <mazal> Kilos: Terrible signal yes
[12:09] <Kilos> what sim is in your cell fone
[12:09] <mazal> But what else is left , no options left to do. Like I said I must then just stick to basics
[12:09] <mazal> Kilos: Vodacom
[12:10] <Kilos> is the signal better than mtn
[12:10] <mazal> I actually don't know
[12:10] <Kilos> lol
[12:10] <mazal> Haven't used an MTN in my new flat
[12:10] <mazal> Might be better
[12:11] <mazal> At the office is bad
[12:11] <Kilos> check in flat then decide
[12:11] <mazal> Where I was all was near unusable , but maybe in this new one is better
[12:11] <mazal> And it's about 2km difference from where I was , so I dunno
[12:12] <mazal> Vodacom is just 1 bar signal
[12:12] <mazal> Can't be worse than that
[12:12] <Kilos> check  before you think about going further with your plans
[12:12] <Kilos> eish
[12:12] <mazal> Yeah , not an option for internet at all
[12:13] <Kilos> is there no one with a telkom mobile sim
[12:13] <Kilos> try them all then use the best one
[12:13] <mazal> Yeah that is already tested , like I said that one runs about 4mb speed
[12:14] <mazal> That's one of the reasons I applied for that one
[12:14] <mazal> Used Barry's router to test it
[12:15] <Kilos> what router has he got
[12:15] <mazal> Gonna ask around which of my tjommies have MTN. But as far as I remember they all Vodacom
[12:15] <mazal> B series
[12:15] <TheMurdz_> Meh, I have MTN as well.
[12:15] <mazal> 592 or 593 , something like that
[12:15] <TheMurdz_> (for reasons)
[12:15] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <Kilos> telkom mobile rocks
[12:16] <mazal> Gonna pu add on my door " anybody with a mtn smartphone or tablet can you come drink coffee at my place please "
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:17] <mazal> " and if you blonde you can have dinner as well "
[12:17] <Kilos> hahaha and bearded
[12:17] <mazal> Shees I can't think of a single one , barry was with them but left
[12:17] <Kilos> are there blonde chicks there
[12:18] <mazal> Yes
[12:18] <Kilos> wow
[12:18] <mazal> Lots actually
[12:18] <Kilos> doing what
[12:18] <Kilos> locked up ones?
[12:18] <mazal> But not at work , at work there are like 3 or 4
[12:19] <mazal> 2 is psycologists
[12:19] <Kilos> fis their pcs man
[12:19] <Kilos> why you so slow
[12:19] <Kilos> fiz
[12:19] <Kilos> fix
[12:19] <mazal> They never complain or brake anything
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:19] <mazal> Very annoying
[12:19] <mazal> But I'm scared of both anyway
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:20] <mazal> They too pretty
[12:20]  * mazal scared of pretty girls
[12:21] <Kilos> i need to nap if im gonna make the late night meeting
[12:21] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[12:21] <Maaz> oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!
[12:22] <Kilos> Maaz botsnack
[12:22] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[12:22] <mazal> gtg , have a nice evening everyone
[13:00] <TheMurdz_> Goodbye gents! It was nice to be here.  Would it be easier to buy in south africa, probably. Would it be easier to set up, no actually m ore wiring, but thats insignificant anyway. Would it would be pricier, nosier and less efficient, yes.
[19:40] <Kilos> night chesedo
[19:47] <Cryterion> compare costs, shouldn't be much more wiring, extra unit I do agree with an extra plug to worry about, but that should be straight forward. Cost will depend, what does an atx psu cost now R500 if that, depends on wattage, 350W std, fed with a 650VA inverter at R1000. It depends on what a 12VDC input ATX Psu costs
[19:50] <Cryterion> Noise is already filtered out by std ATX psu, the inverters even though modified sine, aren't generally noisy, not 100% sure what it'll do in running vehicle though. If you went true sine, the output caps would filter any vehicle noise out
[19:52] <Cryterion> True sine inverters are generally more expensive, due to fact they have the high capacity stabilising capacitors on the output stage, to make the digitised signal an actual sine wave
[19:53] <MaNI> I mean audible noise not electrical noise
[19:54] <Cryterion> Otherwise you could always just modify an atx psu to bypass the step-down stage. Your highest voltage available is 12VDC anyway, you have 13.8-15V in a vehicle
[19:55] <MaNI> anyway I'm pretty sure what I want, I have one already, I was just hoping not to have to import the second time around
[19:55] <Cryterion> what make and model is it, I'll ask around
[19:58] <MaNI> mini-box m4-atx, but yeah its pretty niche/specialised stuff - there used to be some mini-box stuff available locally before pi and arduino became the rage
[20:30] <pavlushka> night guys~!
[20:34] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:13] <magespawn> good evening night owls


[13:28] <inaddy> quick question, is there a "motu sponsors" team i should subscribe to get motu sponsorship ?
[13:28] <tinoco> example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-text-ui/+bug/1556653


[00:16] <void> Greetings
[00:16] <wez> .o/
[00:16] <void> Didn't think I would find remaining active IRC channels haha
[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning. Happy new year all.
[07:07] <cartdrige> hey, happy nubuntu year.
[07:16] <cartdrige> guess why the pope can't use ubuntu? ....Because they don't explain what it is in his book.
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-23-04-new-installer/
[14:15] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaa
[14:15] <marcoagpinto> still one year for 24.04 :((((((((
[14:16] <marcoagpinto> "how can I go on?"
[14:16] <marcoagpinto> :p
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> few weeks after 23.10 release you can help debug daily 24.04's marcoagpinto
[14:21] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: I am very sad with launchpad
[14:21] <marcoagpinto> they take years to reply to my suggestions and then say they won't implement/fix
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> thats not launchpad's fault
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> some bugs/wishes get solved, some don't thats life!
[14:22] <daftykins> marcoagpinto: well they can't afford a coca-cola with every download, it'd bankrupt them!
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:22] <marcoagpinto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1860899
[14:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Launchpad bug 1860899 in Nautilus "Add extra information to tabs in folders" [Unknown, Fix Released]
[14:22] <marcoagpinto> after 3 years they said it won't be implemented
[14:23] <marcoagpinto> it is the second or third time this happens
[14:24] <marcoagpinto> it is very depressing
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: your idea was a wishlist, not really a critical bug
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> but it was a very good wish
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> :p
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: you cant expect every wishlist to come true for every user wishing
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> yes, you are right :p
[14:27] <leftyfb> it's also a feature that should be added by upstream, not ubunut
[14:27] <leftyfb> ubuntu*
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: we also dont know the future of nautilus, new features will come on higher versions, maybe something you might like
[14:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:31] <daftykins> in the meantime you can grab mediainfo, much better output than just a res in file properties on either Windows or Linux
[14:32] <daftykins> https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo


[09:40] <AlanBell> bug 851694 has had a minor improvement
[09:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851694 in unity-2d "application icons in apps lens are all called "button"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851694
[09:41] <AlanBell> now the top row of a category get read out right
[09:41] <AlanBell> all the others are still called button
[20:02] <charlie-tca> hm, my hardware seems to hate unity now. Did a screen-reader install, got a full two or three minutes of crashes logging in.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Ran updates, restart failed completely. Had to re-install to get the desktop back
[20:05] <AlanBell> eww
[20:05]  * AlanBell updates a VM
[20:06] <charlie-tca> That was kind of my thought, too
[20:06] <charlie-tca> reinstalled without orca, just to look unity over
[20:06] <charlie-tca> open dash, seach on accessibility comes up blank. Now have to look for Universal Access instead
[20:07] <AlanBell> oh?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:07] <AlanBell> typing accessibility or using the filter thing?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Wish they would tell us about these things
[20:08] <charlie-tca> type accessibility
[20:08] <charlie-tca> could not get the filter thing to work
[20:08] <AlanBell> that only works in the apps lens
[20:08] <AlanBell> and not very well
[20:09] <AlanBell> the apps lens is so cluttered and useless it puts everyone off unity
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Yeah, trying to find what was called Accessibility is no good now, though
[20:09] <charlie-tca> We might lose users simply because they changed words and haven't told anyone
[20:10] <charlie-tca> I still can't find anything intuitive about unity, when I need to find things
[20:11] <AlanBell> yes
[20:11] <AlanBell> I think in the dash you are supposed to search for stuff like "screen reader" or "keyboard" generic terms that might be in the description of the thing you are after
[20:12] <charlie-tca> I did try "mousekeys" and "mousetweaks". neither one gets anything
[20:12] <charlie-tca> and looking at "mouse" doesn't get me any a11y stuff
[20:12] <AlanBell> yeah, interesting point
[20:13] <AlanBell> those are kind of screens in the settings application which get muddled up with the other applications
[20:13] <AlanBell> and I guess don't have populated individual descriptions so can't be found
[20:14] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but it fast becoming impossible for me to use Unity. If I have to search for hours/days to find simple settings I need, it isn't worth it anymore.
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I did find something said fonts - normal/large/larger. I changed to large, and lost the damn gear thing in the panel. only way to restart was in terminal, using "sudo shutdown -r now"
[20:15] <maco> AlanBell: we can futz with .desktop files to get more SEO descriptions
[20:15] <charlie-tca> That gets the panel resized so you have the gear thing back
[20:16] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: I made a prototype apps lens that groups by category http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenulens.png
[20:17] <charlie-tca> The problem is when they change the name without advertising it.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> all the groups you can think of are worthless if the word doesn't work
[20:18] <AlanBell> sure, it is a separate thing altogether!
[20:18] <AlanBell> but much better than using the filters
[20:20] <AlanBell> hmm, by the time I have typed "acce" it has found "Universal Access" as the first suggestion
[20:20] <AlanBell> oh great, and orca can't see it at all
[20:20] <maco> trouble is if you keep typing
[20:20] <charlie-tca> so, I typed too fast?
[20:21] <AlanBell> well yeah, clearly it should stay there and "accessibility" should be in the description field somewhere
[20:21] <charlie-tca> When you consider that the last release we had that actually worked for everyone was 10.04, it seems a bit ridiculous now to keep saying Ubuntu cares about accessibility
[20:22] <maco> i dont think i ever bothered making that claim
[20:23] <charlie-tca> apparently, someone needs to really get that point across to Mark
[20:24] <maco> there's a perpetual "next release! next release we really WILL care about accessibility! just you watch us!"
[20:25] <AlanBell> think it was going to be nailed in this release
[20:25] <AlanBell> anyhow, on a positive note, I have closed a bunch of bugs today that have been fixed
[20:26] <maco> that happens?????
[20:26] <maco> i mean, for reasons other than "you havent said anything in 60 days and we cant stand the lack of attention"?
[20:27]  * maco jerk
[20:27] <AlanBell> the big one is the ctrl+s to start orca rather than the embarrassing "when you see the icon" thing
[20:27] <maco> haha
[20:27] <charlie-tca> hm, good thing I didn't file all the crashes I got today with the screenreader install
[20:28] <AlanBell> someone half fixed bug 851694
[20:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851694 in unity-2d "application icons in apps lens are all called "button"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851694
[20:28] <charlie-tca> no one fixed the "continue" is called "next" though
[20:28] <AlanBell> if that one gets fully fixed then unity is a long way towards being OK
[20:29] <AlanBell> the continue called next thing and all the odd terminology in ubiquity is all the same cause I think
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I couldn't tell what was still broken in unity, there were too many crashes all at once. By the time they got done, I could not use the desktop
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Maybe I will try it again tomorrow.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Can't file the crash bugs when it work at all
[20:31] <AlanBell> it does sometimes go crashy
[20:31] <AlanBell> but that doesn't seem a11y specific, the whole thing is just a bit wobbly
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Well, 15-20 crash reports right after logging in seems really wobbly, especially when it kills all ability to do anything
[20:34] <maco> AlanBell: the continue called next, is, i *think* part of that add_widget stupidity
[20:34] <maco> since the variable name for the button is still next button
[20:34] <AlanBell> gah, bug 851694 seems to have completely rolled back to a full fail again
[20:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851694 in unity-2d "application icons in apps lens are all called "button"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851694
[20:34] <AlanBell> maco: yeah, I suspected as much
[20:35] <maco> even though the weird thing where text is pulled from templatey bits overrides the text at one point
[20:35] <charlie-tca> well, end of ranting, back to work
[20:40] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: bug 781385 is tagged rls-mgr-o-tracking
[20:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 781385 in ubiquity "Ubiquity GTK should have useful accessible names set in the Glade .ui files instead of using the variable names" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781385
[20:41] <charlie-tca> That only means skaet is watching it, not that someone is actively fixing it yet.
[20:48] <AlanBell> indeed
[20:49] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: do you know about the LDTP tests?
[20:49] <AlanBell> the good thing about this bug is it would be easy to fix
[20:50] <AlanBell> because it is a bit of accessibility technology that was working and has been deliberately broken to make testing easier
[20:50] <charlie-tca> No, I don't
[20:50] <AlanBell> automated testing that is only possible because the accessibility interfaces exist
[22:08] <AlanBell> great session charlie-tca
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Hard to do that after that install today
[22:23] <charlie-tca> But, then again, *we* are the ones that keep this going, aren't we.