[06:56] <humphreybc> Anyone else having an issue with the new AppMenu applet, where it won't display anything other than "File Edit" when any application is open, and just "Desktop" when it's on the desktop?
[06:57] <humphreybc> It works fine on my Lucid netbook, but not on my lucid laptop.
[09:51] <ccm> hi there
[09:52] <ccm> is there a best method for configuring the icon panel size in unity?
[16:28] <vish> http://imagebin.ca/view/6388it6j.html  are we blocking on OSX?   :D
[16:29] <vish> not my screenshot though^
[16:32] <qense> good afternoon
[16:36] <dieki> Hey, is there a blueprint for window indicators anywhere? I've looked and looked, but I couldn't find it.
[16:38] <mpt> dieki, there's a specification <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/Windicators>, but no blueprint as far as I know
[16:39] <mpt> vish, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!
[16:40] <vish> wt*!
[16:41] <vish> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
[16:41] <vish> ;p
[16:41] <vish> mpt: sometimes i wonder how many bookmarks you really have! ;)
[16:42] <mpt> I stopped using bookmarks in 1998 when I discovered Google
[17:22] <nigelb> mpt: lol @ google
[17:23] <nigelb> Also, nice page :D


[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #192174 in tcpflow (universe) "Allow binary dumping to stdout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192174
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #192176 in hplip (main) "Scanner output always JPEG compressed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192176
[17:40] <ubotu> New bug: #192180 in python-pyglew (universe) "Please sync python-pyglew 0.1.2-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192180
[17:40] <ubotu> New bug: #192181 in libprojectm (universe) "Please sync libprojectm 1.01-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192181
[17:41] <pedro_> folks bdmurray just posted the scoreboard from the last bug day
[17:41] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080214#head-00c46e453c65d72399ad97ee1c881231153310d2
[17:41]  * pedro_ hugs the whole bugsquad
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #181435 in glipper (universe) "glipper crashed with signal 5 in bonobo_activation_timeout_reg_check()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181435
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192179 in hdapsd (universe) "[Gutsy] hdapsd daemon FAIL,  protect not exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192179
[17:41] <pedro_> buu1
[17:41]  * pedro_ won
[17:42] <pedro_> oh no boo today bddebian?
[17:42] <Pici> :(
[17:42] <pedro_> that's not fair
[17:43] <Iulian> pedro_: That's great!
[17:43] <bddebian> BOOO :-)
[17:43]  * persia hides
[17:43]  * Iulian hides behind persia
[17:43] <pedro_> bddebian: that's the attitude !
[17:44] <bddebian> heh
[17:44] <secretlondon> third!
[17:44] <Iulian> 2nd place.
[17:44] <Iulian> pedro won :-)
[17:44] <secretlondon> yep
[17:44]  * secretlondon hugs pedro
[17:44] <pedro_> Iulian: you're first and secretlondon second
[17:45]  * pedro_ doesn't count for it
[17:45] <secretlondon> nah
[17:45] <Iulian> Why?
[17:45] <pedro_> nor bdmurray or ogasawara :-)
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #192184 in ubuntu-dev-tools (universe) "Seperate ppaput backend from script" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192184
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #192185 in rhythmbox (main) "no media files are played.. It gives an error that the particular codec for GStreamer is missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192185
[17:45] <secretlondon> you work for canonical?
[17:46] <pedro_> yep with ogasawara and bdmurray
[17:47]  * persia doesn't believe that it matters who paid whom how much, only that people are chasing bugs
[17:47] <ogasawara> senior pedro_!  the graphs for the hug day look really good
[17:48] <pedro_> ogasawara: they're AWESOME
[17:48] <pedro_> i'm looking forward for the next week hug days
[17:49] <pedro_> Iulian, secretlondon, persia, bddebian you're going to be here those days right? ;-)
[17:49] <Iulian> Yeah!
[17:49] <secretlondon> yeah
[17:49] <persia> Which days?
[17:49] <pedro_> woohoo!
[17:50]  * thekorn hugs bugsquad, nice work yesterday!
[17:50] <pedro_> persia: hug days of next week ;-)
[17:50] <pedro_> s/week/weeks
[17:50] <pedro_> :-)
[17:50] <ubotu> New bug: #192188 in thunderbird (main) "thunderbird-bin crashed with signal 5 in g_type_class_ref()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192188
[17:50] <persia> pedro_: Sure, although I'll admit to not spending enough time on triage (and having private targets) :)
[17:51]  * Iulian smiles
[17:52] <pedro_> hehe
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #192190 in rss-glx (main) "Rebuild rss-glx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192190
[18:03] <persia> Could someone with a Windows partition confirm that bug #84363 is actually fixed in hardy?  I believe it to be, but don't have the right partition map to verify the submitters situation.
[18:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84363 in nautilus "nautilus can't remount non-removable media" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84363
[18:06] <persia> Err.  Fixed in gutsy.  Hardy has the migration to the new system, which should also fix it, but I think it was already fixed.
[18:18] <albert23> persia: I cannot even unmount my windows partition. That's probably not the fix you were thinking about....
[18:18] <pochu> I didn't know it was possible to convert a bug into a question
[18:18] <Pici> Yep, its useful :)
[18:19] <persia> albert23: Hmm..  No.  Interesting.  I suspect my understanding of how windows partitions are mounted is incomplete.  Thanks for checking.
[18:19] <persia> pochu: For a few months now (and very welcome)
[18:20] <secretlondon> yes
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192192 in ubuntu "GNOME panel drawer applet stopped working after 2/14 updates in Hardy." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192192
[18:26] <bdmurray> thekorn: I'd prefer a different format for bugnumbers --format wiki.  Do you know if anyone else uses it?
[18:26] <bdmurray> I'm not sure whether making a new format or modifying the existing one is best.
[18:39] <thekorn> bdmurray, I don't think anybody else is using the wiki format for bugnumbers
[18:39] <thekorn> so feel free to change it ;)
[18:40] <bdmurray> Yeah, it's easy enough to fix ;)
[18:43] <persia> There was a MOTU wiki page using that at one point (I don't know if it is currently up to date), but I'm sure that following the bugsquad format would be preferred to delaying progress.
[18:45] <thekorn> bdmurray, I agree, It would be nice to have latest py-lp-bugs/bughelper for older releases via team ppa,
[18:45] <thekorn> py-lp-bugs should not be that problem,
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #192196 in ubuntu "python missing gtk.stock_discard gtk-discard icon ?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192196
[18:46] <thekorn> but bughelper depends on bzr >= 0.14 (I think)
[18:47] <thekorn> bdmurray, so I do not know if a ppa-"backport" to dapper for example works in this case
[18:50] <bdmurray> thekorn: I think daniel was trying to make bughelper / p-l-b more accessible to people at the class next week.  So providing a ppa for gutsy is the most useful.
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #184547 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany-gecko crashed with SIGSEGV while resizing fonts with Ctrl+MouseWheel" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184547
[18:51] <thekorn> bdmurray, gutsy works, I had a gutsy version of both in my ppa, but deleted it
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #178727 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer.py crashed with ValueError in nextNPTab()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178727
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #191052 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany-gecko crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191052
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #192197 in xen-common (universe) "Please remove from archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192197
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192198 in ubuntu "rendering problem on firefox 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192198
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #192199 in cacti (universe) "[SECURITY] CVE-2008-0783 and CVE-2008-0784" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192199
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #192201 in cacti (universe) "Graph Logic Syntax Issue" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192201
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192203 in cacti (universe) "Hosts with Duplicate IP Address Not Polled" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192203
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192204 in update-manager (main) "Could not calculate the upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192204
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #188315 in system-config-printer (main) "139192" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188315
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #192207 in linux-meta (main) "unounted ata drive skeeps spinning up and down constantly after recent Feb updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192207
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #192205 in ubuntu "pyClamd : Clamav with python needed to replace functions removed from python-clamav" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192205
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192208 in openssh (main) "Create new packages for (HPN-SSH) Multi Threaded SSH" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192208
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192209 in ubuntu "[Hardy 64 alpha4] When logging into kde, the 'initializing services' screen appears, then returns to KDM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192209
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #192210 in netbeans5.5 (multiverse) "Please remove netbeans5.5 from hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192210
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #192212 in deskbar-applet (main) "Desk bar crashes when i try to load it giving me a bug buddy and oafiid window in gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192212
[19:40] <ubotu> New bug: #192211 in sound-juicer (main) "Sound Juicer pops up even if no CD inserted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192211
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192213 in icedtea-java7 (universe) "Blackboard Learning System" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192213
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192214 in dolphin (main) "Dolphin cutting and pasting files and dirs into fish kioslave session does not work properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192214
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130760 in imagemagick (main) "convert crashed with signal 24 in raise()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130760
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130775 in imagemagick (main) "convert crashed with signal 24 in raise()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130775
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131361 in gnash (universe) "[Gutsy AMD64] Gnash crashed while opening YouTube video" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131361
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131369 in gnash (universe) "gnash 0.8.1crashes in google reader when linking to youtube videos" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131369
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #131765 in gnash (universe) "gtk-gnash crashed with SIGILL in gnash::GetterSetter::setValue()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131765
[19:47] <ubotu> New bug: #126724 in tk8.4 (main) "wish8.4 crashed with SIGSEGV in XGetICValues()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126724
[19:47] <ubotu> New bug: #127108 in tk8.4 (main) "wish8.4 crashed with SIGSEGV in XCreateIC()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127108
[19:49] <persia> txwikinger: Please don't unconfirm and unwishlist developer-submitted workflow bugs.  It confuses the archive-admins :(
[19:49] <txwikinger> sorry... Did not intent to
[20:00] <ubotu> New bug: #192217 in gnome-mount (main) "regression: gnome-mount stopped auto-mounting my ipod nano 3gen (worked in prebious Hardy Alpha versions)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192217
[20:00] <ubotu> New bug: #192218 in rdesktop (main) "Use of -g workarea causes X Error of failed request:  BadValue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192218
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192216 in hyphen (universe) "package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us.list] failed to install/upgrade: tentative de remplacement de « /usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic », qui appartient aussi au paquet openoffice.org-hyphenation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192216
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192219 in firefox (main) "Thunderbird not able to launch URL from mail with Firefox 3 Beta 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192219
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192220 in yelp (main) "Help and Support (yelp 2.20.0) closes immediately" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192220
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192221 in ubuntu-meta (main) "[Hardy] Incorrect replacement of nvidia-glx with nvidia-glx-new" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192221
[20:20] <ubotu> New bug: #192224 in bacula (universe) "package bacula-server 2.2.8-4ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: problemes de depend?ncies - es deixa sense configurar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192224
[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #192225 in rhythmbox (main) "[Hardy] Rhythmbox keyboard commands don't work when visualization is displayed in full-screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192225
[20:25] <ubotu> New bug: #192227 in ubuntu "mixed up windows with compiz cube" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192227
[20:36] <ubotu> New bug: #192229 in rhythmbox (main) "[Hardy] Using built-in keyboard commands to control volume makes lists behave weird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192229
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192230 in linux (main) "package linux-image-debug-2.6.24-8-generic None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-debug-2.6.24-8-generic.list] failed to install/upgrade: błąd w buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192230
[20:47] <tr_tr_tr> Hi :) , what files do i have to attach normally to report a bug in launchpad? I remember lspci, dmesg... ??
[20:47] <ubotu> New bug: #192232 in libwnck (main) "wnck tooltips nitpicks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192232
[20:47] <bdmurray> tr_tr_tr: what is the report about?
[20:49] <tr_tr_tr> it's about alsa-driver
[20:49] <bdmurray> check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems then
[20:49] <bdmurray> there is a script to help collect the right information for sound bugs
[20:50] <tr_tr_tr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/151378
[20:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151378 in alsa-driver "internal microphone not working hda-intel ICH7" [Undecided,New]
[20:51] <ubotu> New bug: #192233 in openmovieeditor (universe) "openmovieeditor is not installable because of the dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192233
[20:52] <bdmurray> tr_tr_tr: okay, it looks like you have provided all the right info
[20:53] <tr_tr_tr> ok, I'll update that report to hardy alpha, thanks
[20:53] <bdmurray> tr_tr_tr: you mean you'll test with Hardy?  that'd be awesome
[20:54] <joumetal> hggdh: bug 177709 fix released?
[20:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177709 in evolution "[hardy] Evo goes into error recovery on login after logout with Evo still running" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177709
[20:54] <hggdh> joumetal: seems indeed the case
[20:54] <hggdh> I do not get it anymore
[20:55] <tr_tr_tr> yes, I tried hardy on the laptop and the problem continued
[20:56] <bdmurray> tr_tr_tr: which hardy image?
[20:56] <hggdh> joumetal: I will mark it as Fix Released, as of 2.21.90
[20:57] <joumetal> hggdh: nice. and then upstream bug too.
[20:57] <hggdh> joumetal: upstream will be marked as soon as I find what patch fixed it
[20:58] <hggdh> ok bug 177709 done
[20:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177709 in evolution "[hardy] Evo goes into error recovery on login after logout with Evo still running" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177709
[20:58] <tr_tr_tr> kubuntu alpha 4, updated yesterday, i think with alsa 0.16 now
[21:00] <bdmurray> okay cool and some sound drivers are provided by linux-ubuntu-modules did you have that installed?
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192234 in ubuntu "3-years old ehci usb hardware not recognized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192234
[21:04] <tr_tr_tr> I'm not sure, I'm going to look
[21:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192237 in evince (main) "blank screen with just parts of the pdf viewer on show" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192237
[21:06] <tr_tr_tr> yes, it's intalled
[21:07] <bdmurray> okay, this is all stuff worth putting in your report
[21:08] <tr_tr_tr> ok, thanks very much
[21:10] <joumetal> bug 188390 Does it have enough information to be confirmed?
[21:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188390 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Wireless works in 6.06, not in 7.10" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188390
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192239 in dpkg (main) "dpkg shouldn't require /proc to be mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192239
[21:13] <bdmurray> joumetal: I'm looking at it now
[21:14] <tr_tr_tr> bye
[21:17] <bdmurray> joumetal: Yes, it does.  The bug report could use some fixing up though.
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192240 in dkms (universe) "dkms kernel_prerm trigger fails due to typo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192240
[21:22] <bdmurray> Useful things to do would be improving the summary / title, adding the PCI ID of the network card somewhere and adding an affects for the linux package which is the 2.6.24 kernel
[21:24] <joumetal> ok I'll try to doi that.
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #192241 in dkms (universe) "dkms calls udevtrigger, should try new udevadm trigger first" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192241
[21:30] <minorDemocritus> ok, i've joined launchpad and bugsquad, and i have a couple questions... first of all, does bugsquad only work on the development version?
[21:30] <bdmurray> minorDemocritus: We triage all bugs
[21:31] <bdmurray> However, the Stable Release Update process discusses the criteria for a package to updated in a "stable" / nondevelopment release
[21:33] <minorDemocritus> fair enough... off to read more
[21:33] <bdmurray> minorDemocritus: you said a couple of questions though.  Do you have any more at the moment?
[21:44] <minorDemocritus> bdmurray: nah, totally forgot the other one :D
[21:45] <bdmurray> alright I'll be around for a while if you have any questions
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #192244 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed and disappeared upon clicking a link for a pop-up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192244
[22:13] <ubotu> New bug: #192247 in linux (main) "[Hardy] 2.6.24-8 Doesn't boot while -7 does" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192247
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #192248 in fuse-umfuse-iso9660 (universe) "Rebuild for libiso9660-4 -> libiso9660-5 transition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192248
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192250 in totem (main) "[hardy] Missing Channel Listing Link is Wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192250
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192252 in ubuntu "Editing /etc/network/interfaces causes Gutsy 7.10 to crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192252
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #192253 in xorg (main) "xorg glx module is missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192253
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192256 in f-spot (main) "[hardy] F-spot hangs X on "Find Selected Tags With"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192256
[23:02] <ubotu> New bug: #192261 in gnome-panel (main) "Update Manager won't close" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192261
[23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #192262 in kio-beagle (universe) "Rebuild for libbeagle0 -> libbeagle1 transition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192262
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #192266 in evolution (main) "evolution aknowledgment is in english on a french installation of Ubuntu." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192266


[00:44] <jrwren> huh, first time connecting to freenode with sasl auth
[00:44] <jrwren> fun!
[00:45] <gamerchick02> nice
[00:46] <gamerchick02> time to shut down and chill. i'm tired. been a long day. see everyone later!
[15:27] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:27] <_stink_> yo
[15:27] <cmaloney> How's the day / week /month?
[15:28] <_stink_> forecast says 5-8 inches of snow on sunday
[15:28] <cmaloney> Yep
[15:28] <cmaloney> we're hunkering down
[15:28] <cmaloney> going to get 100 cans of food
[15:28] <cmaloney> and forget the can opener
[15:28] <cmaloney> good times
[15:36] <_stink_> just use a rock
[15:42] <cmaloney> Heh
[17:33] <greg-g> rub it on the rock to wear away the top, it works
[18:03] <cmaloney> Good to know
[18:03] <cmaloney> now to make sure we have rocks
[18:07] <greg-g> cement also works
[18:07] <greg-g> WITH A WILL THERE IS A WAY
[18:37] <cmaloney> words to live by
[23:03] <jrwren> anyone looking for work? I got an email re: Software Engineer - Technology Early Talent… with Ally Financial in Detroit, MI
[23:04] <greg-g> "technology early talent" == "entry level"?
[23:09] <jrwren> i've no idea. i had same thought


[09:37] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:37] <AlanBell> is there a new dash coming in unity?
[09:38] <AlanBell> or home/default lens
[09:46] <davidcalle> Hi AlanBell, yes.
[09:46] <davidcalle> AlanBell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/885738
[09:48] <AlanBell> great, don't think I have ever wanted to click any of the 8 buttons apart from more apps ever!
[09:50] <AlanBell> unity 5 seems to be working just fine for me after I deleted ~/.compiz-1/
[09:50] <AlanBell> it was very crashy, I think I had some bad stuff in there, possibly my fault
[10:48] <AlanBell> is there a design for a username/password dialog for a lens?
[11:04] <davidcalle> AlanBell, nope.
[11:06] <davidcalle> AlanBell, I think that all this should be handled by Gnome Online Accounts, but I've just seen a work item about removing GOA from the System Settings under Unity...
[11:08] <AlanBell> hmm, I want to do a popup to ask the user for their details, but it won't look beautiful and lensy and it means every lens will have a different way of asking for credentials
[11:13] <davidcalle> AlanBell, we need to know how credentials are going to be handled without GOA.
[11:14] <davidcalle> AlanBell, and talk to mhall119 about this. He has created Singlet (a helper for lenses), which could have a class for a default credentials GUI. This would bring some consistency if lenses devs start to use it.
[11:15] <AlanBell> yeah, not massively bothered where to store the credentials (I would be happy with just having them in memory) my main concern is a lack of a UI to ask for them
[11:18] <AlanBell> I see the UnityTV stuff has fancy QML stuff happening in the lens space, like the schedule and coverflow stuff
[12:43] <__sha__> hello
[12:43] <__sha__> I am have a problem with shortcuts
[12:44] <__sha__> currently pressing ctrl+alt shrinks any window with focus and moves it top right
[12:44] <__sha__> I did not set any such shortcut myself but I did define my own set of shortcuts
[12:44] <__sha__> any idea what is going on ?
[13:03] <mhall119> davidcalle: the new Unity 5 API is up!
[13:22] <davidcalle_> mhall119, I know, and mhr3 is rewriting the wiki page examples :)


[15:05] <jrwren> 23.10 comes out on Thursday and then the next release is another LTS.
[15:05] <jrwren> I feel like time is speeding up.
[15:24] <cmaloney> Heh


[00:02] <Tassio> hello
[00:05] <Tassio> someone agreed?
[00:06] <Tassio> I'm using the beta version of Ubuntu Mate 17.10 Beta. Using Mutiny. the Trash Icon disappeared from the bar. Anyone know if they took it?
[03:51] <teebiss> neato
[04:45] <exoset> salut
[04:45] <exoset> Quelqu'un ?
[10:07] <mate|59957> Hi, hope everyone is having a good day, I have a question is it possible to run Debian application on raspberry if I flash ubuntu mate in it ?
[10:07] <mate|59957> I am stuck at one point the application which I want to use is not designed for ARM structure
[10:10] <guiverc_t> mate|59957, if the app is x86/x86_64 no .. if its armv7 there is an excellent chance it'll be good, esp if libs are installed in ubuntu-mate.. an ancient version of an app will likely need different lib versions.
[10:46] <mate|59957> ok thanks :)
[16:00] <Nish> Where can I find the Ubuntu-mate source code?
[16:02] <ouroumov> Hello Nish
[16:02] <ouroumov> Nish, ubuntu-mate specific code is on github: https://github.com/ubuntu-mate
[16:03] <ouroumov> Nish, mate-desktop code is on github too: https://github.com/mate-desktop/
[16:03] <ouroumov> The rest of the ubuntu code is available on launchpad.
[16:04] <Nish> Thank you so much
[16:04] <Nish> Is the Ubuntu-mate version different for raspberry pi 3?
[16:06] <ouroumov> Nish, you'd have to ask Wimpy. I'm not really up-to-speed on this matter. I'm not even sure the RPi version is supported like the other Ubuntu versions.
[17:01] <Guest74913> Antone have an idea how to adjust the the Notification pop-up time? It only takes an glance to read it but distracts me when it goes away.
[17:27] <kirs> How can I compile and build ubuntu-mate for raspberry pi3?
[17:43] <sixwheeledbeast> there is a version for rpi
[22:29] <nicekiwi> heeeeey :)
[22:29] <nicekiwi> will UbuntuMATE use Wayland as the default display server in 17.10?


[02:12] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:32] <effraie> @schedule Paris
[02:32] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 12 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 13 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Jun 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu
[06:51] <clyde9> has anyone in this room tried gDesklets in Gusty-Gibbon


[01:34] <sxclimax> Hey folks. I need some help connecting to the internet on my home server. The server has an ethernet cable. I am able to ssh into the computer but there is no internet access. It is running lubuntu. "ping google.com → ping: unknown host google.com", "ping <IP_ADDRESS> → From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable"
[02:41] <GregK> is anyone using brave as their browser?
[02:41] <GregK> uh...good evening anyone/everyone
[02:42] <tsimonq2> GregK: I'd personally not do it because they remove ads and replace them with ones they profit from.
[02:43] <GregK> they havent started with that yet...or hadn't a few weeks ago when my ssd died on my main system
[02:43] <tsimonq2> Well they have now
[02:44] <GregK> besidees, i support that and other possibilities in their micropayments...i work in the industry
[02:44] <GregK> regardless..can it be installed on a lubuntu system?
[02:45] <GregK> the media production industry I shouldve said
[02:46] <GregK> good job on the minority govt over there, btw
[02:47] <tsimonq2> GregK: I don't see why not
[02:48] <GregK> awesome...just follow their instructions, I sup;pose?
[02:48] <tsimonq2> Prolly. :)
[02:51] <GregK> alrighty.  cheers
[18:03] <nitin_> hi
[18:03] <nitin_> i have just installed lubuntu but wifi is not connecting
[18:03] <wxl> what wifi card do you have? you can pastebin `lspci -nnk` up and we can take a look at it
[18:04] <nitin_> its usb stick of Tp-LINK
[18:04] <wxl> ah well `lsusb` then
[18:05] <wxl> in particular lsusb -v might be best
[18:05] <nitin_> that means i should write in terminal "lsusb -v"   ???
[18:06] <wxl> you should pastebin the results, but yes. best would be installing pastebinit and then doing `lsusb -v | pastebinit` which will give youa  url which you can paste here
[18:07] <nitin_> ohk thank you
[21:49] <nitin_> i have wifi problem with lubuntu
[21:51] <nitin_> Ralink Technology Corp. RT5572 Wireless Adapter


[00:06] <dsdale> anyone know how to disable i386 multiarch support?
[00:16] <fishscene> Hello everyone. I was wondering what happened to the "Go > Connect to server" function from 11.04 disappeared to in 11.10
[00:16] <fishscene> I'm using 11.10 Beta 1
[00:18] <robin0800> fishscene, its in the file menu now
[00:20] <fishscene> Where is the file menu?
[00:21] <robin0800> fishscene, in the top panel
[00:22] <fishscene> Maybe it is bugged. My top panel is blank
[00:24] <fishscene> ok, I got the file menu to appear when I open my home folder. apparently, the "Connect to server" is no longer there, but I can open "Go > Location" and manually type in "smb://(server)
[00:25] <fishscene> Is there a way to see if I'm experiencing a bug or if this is a planned feature? (removal of the file menu unless browsing files).
[00:26] <robin0800> fishscene, well I have it are you using unity?
[00:28] <Onlyodin> is gnome-session / gnome-session-bin borked for anyone else?
[00:28] <robin0800> fishscene, its a feature you don't have to browse it appears with mouse over and then you will see the connect menu
[00:29] <robin0800> Onlyodin, you need to install gnome shell
[00:29] <Onlyodin> gnome-session : Depends: gnome-session-bin (>= 3.1.5-0ubuntu2) but 3.1.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[00:30] <Onlyodin> libnux wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, and a bunch of unity packages too
[00:31] <pr0d> Hi all, did anyone elses unity die in the update?
[00:31] <fishscene> robin0800: I am on the liveCD and it only appears on mouse-over when I open my home folder and browse files. I'll assume it's a liveCD bug on VMware Fusion then. Thanks! :)
[00:32] <Onlyodin> well, my machine spontaneously powered off, but I wont say that's because of the update I was running at the time
[00:32] <pr0d> Using ubuntu 2d as the primary is broken
[00:34] <Onlyodin> but yes, unity is broken for me right now too.
[00:34] <pr0d> ok aslong as it not just me :)
[00:34] <Onlyodin> I'm running apt-get install gnome-shell now.
[00:35] <Onlyodin> gnome-session-common wants to remove gnome-session and ubuntu-desktop
[00:36] <pr0d> are you installing gnome because of this bug?
[00:37] <Onlyodin> robin0800 advised that I need to install gnome-shell, the rest are updates with possibly broken dependencies.
[00:38] <Onlyodin> Need to reboot. brb. *detaching*
[00:41] <Onlyodin> Nope, unity epic fail.
[01:14] <DanaG> Say, what does it take to get an equivalent of alt-f2, under Gnome 3?
[01:15] <DanaG> I installed gnome-tweak-tool...
[01:15] <DanaG> And tried to find it, and it took me to WIKIPEDIA instead of starting the tool.
[01:21] <jbicha> DanaG: gnome-tweak-tool is listed as Advanced Settings
[01:21] <jbicha> you may need to go to System Settings>Keyboard>Shortcuts and look for the run command and set it to Alt+F2
[01:21] <robin0800> DanaG, its called misleadingly advanced settings
[01:22] <DanaG> Oh, it's like that "scraped and reused parchment".
[01:22] <DanaG> You know what tool I'm speaking of?
[01:22] <DanaG> palimpsest.
[01:23] <DanaG> Not gnome-disk-utility.  Nosireee.  An erased parchment.
[01:23] <DanaG> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Palimpsest
[01:23] <DanaG> Sorry for the rant, anyway.
[01:23] <robin0800> DanaG, alt + f2 still works
[01:24] <DanaG> alt-f2, gnome-tweak-tool... nope, says it's not valid.
[01:24] <DanaG> Yet it works fine from terminal.
[01:24] <Onlyodin> alt + f2 works for me too, except when unity is broken
[01:24] <DanaG> Or rather, "command not found".
[01:24] <jbicha> DanaG: you should do a system update, that should have been fixed later today
[01:25] <DanaG> How do I make the window decorator reload themes?
[01:25] <DanaG> I'm also being really annoyed by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/589485
[01:26] <DanaG> I had a file in /etc/xinit somewhere to call "xrandr --dpi 147", but now it doesn't seem to be running before the login screen.
[01:26] <DanaG> Where do I put such a call, so it runs at X start, before anything else?
[01:26] <jbicha> DanaG: run Alt+F2 and then enter r to reload GNOME Shell
[01:27] <DanaG> Thanks.
[01:27] <DanaG> Is there a theme-preview doodad that'll let you actually choose a theme to preview?
[01:27] <DanaG> well, 'r' works reasonably -- thanks!
[01:28] <DanaG> Oh, and once I fix the "pull numbers out of nowhere to make 96dpi", the default fonts in Gnome 3 are actually huge.
[01:29] <DanaG> Unfortunately, it seems the window decorator is obeying the wrong DPI.  So, the buttons are tiny and ugly.
[01:32] <DanaG> Wow, the default windeco theme looks weird when unfocused.
[01:34] <DanaG> hmm, how do you workspace-switch with keyboard?
[01:35] <DanaG> tab does nothing in overview.
[01:35] <DanaG> Nor do arrow keys.
[01:36] <DanaG> Weird, I randomly have an update-manager on workspace 2.
[01:39] <DanaG> Oh, that's awesome:
[01:39] <DanaG> Error "Error" is ready
[01:39] <robin0800> DanaG, windows key + s
[01:39] <DanaG> Firefox has been added to my favorites?  Well, duh, I just added it.
[01:39] <DanaG> It actually notified me of what I just did.
[01:42] <DanaG> hmm, super+s is doing nothing.
[01:42] <DanaG> Is that something that was recently fixed?
[01:43] <Zequez> I get an error saying that `ubi-partman failed with error code 10` while installing. I have the option to ignore it and continue, but, is this important?   BLUE! ORANGE! BLUE! ORANGE! BLUE! ORANGE! BLUE! ORANGE! BLUE! ORANGE!
[01:53] <DanaG> Right in the face.
[01:54] <DanaG> led_mode=1, aaaah.
[01:55] <Onlyodin> I have windows appearing underneath the unity panel, how can I move them?
[01:55] <Onlyodin> argh, now there's windows appearing without title bars
[01:56] <Zequez> I just checked the MD5 and it's perfect =/
[01:57] <Zequez> A question: can I write the CD in the same USB drive that the current live CD is being executed from? Is it everything in the memory yet?
[02:00] <jbicha> DanaG: are you using GDM?
[02:00] <DanaG> I'm not sure.
[02:01] <DanaG> looks like yes.
[02:01] <DanaG> Or rather, debconf says yes.
[02:01] <DanaG> But the new gdm looks nothing like the old one -- is that expected?
[02:01] <jbicha> DanaG: that's why /sinb isn't in your path, switch to lightdm and it will be
[02:01] <DanaG> That's weird.
[02:01] <jbicha> well it's a bug that we don't include it in gdm
[02:02] <DanaG> How about xinit stuff?  Where do I put something I want to run before the greeter?
[02:02] <jbicha> GDM has the login names in the center, lightdm & unity-greeter has the login names on the left
[02:02] <jbicha> DanaG: I don't know
[02:04] <DanaG> ah, then it is GDM.
[02:04] <DanaG> So, here's my xinit thing that's no longer getting run:
[02:04] <DanaG> cat /etc/X11/xinit/xinit.d/0-damn-xorg.sh
[02:05] <DanaG> xrandr --output LCD --dpi 147 || true
[02:05] <DanaG> xrandr --output LVDS --dpi 147 || true
[02:07] <DanaG> so, where do I put that now?
[02:11] <Onlyodin> I'm getting no titlebars at all, and metacity --replace blitzes the unity launcher - is there anything I can do?
[02:25] <jpapertowels> hi installing by mini.iso for oneiric, noticed "Ubuntu desktop USB" package on installer and wondered what in the world was contained in that package different from regular "Ubuntu desktop" package - asked in #ubuntu but considering I've never seen it before I wonder if it's just a new thing to the Oneiric mini.iso so asking here
[02:33] <jpapertowels> http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4070/ubuntuusb.png to clarify..
[02:34] <disismt> hi, I am trying to install the beta from liveUSB, but installer keeps giving error "ubi-partman crashed with exit code 10"
[02:35] <urlin2u> jpapertowels, I see nothing on a web search the USB just brings up pendrive stuff.
[02:40] <jpapertowels> urlin2u: exactly! it's like i'm the first person to ever discover it, it should be renamed jpapertowels desktop now
[02:41] <robin0800> DanaG, perhaps google dpi setting in ubuntu unity
[02:42] <einseenai> hello, guys, is power consumption fixed in 11.10 beta's kernel?
[02:43] <jpapertowels> sigh, it would be nice if someone added the ubuntu-usb package from tasksel on this new mini.iso to the ubuntu package site so i can see whats in it :(
[02:46] <jpapertowels> taken from tasksel latest changelog diff: + This task provides the extra packages installed on the Ubuntu desktop USB image, above and beyond those included on the Ubuntu CD image. It is neither useful nor recommended to install this task in other environments.
[02:47] <jpapertowels> *confused* i'll just go with ubuntu-desktop then
[02:48] <Rob250> Hello, everybody. Just wondering if there are any noticeable incompatibilities while updating from 11.04 to 11.10 yet.
[02:48] <jbicha> Rob250: define "noticeable incompatibilities"
[02:48] <Rob250> jbicha: Either programs such as Skype or desktop environments like KDE.
[02:49] <jbicha> KDE/Kubuntu works and with Skype I believe you just need to install skype:i386 manually if you're using 64-bit
[02:50] <DanaG> robin0800: I don't want to just change my Gnome DPI setting... I want to change the login screen's.
[02:50] <DanaG> And not just change gnome apps, but call that stupidly required xrandr.
[02:50] <rww> jpapertowels: tasksel tasks aren't packages, and thus don't go on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:52] <jpapertowels> rww: i figured though that since most if not all tasksel selections are available through apt-get install there would be some form of it on packages.ubuntu.com such as Ubuntu desktop selection = ubuntu-desktop package?
[02:52] <Rob250> Is it possible to downgrade back to 11.04 after upgrading 11.10 if I desire?
[02:52] <rww> Rob250: no
[02:53] <Rob250> rww: Which one is that an answer to?
[02:53] <rww> Rob250: the question you just asked
[02:53] <jbicha> !downgrade
[02:53] <Rob250> rww: Oh.
[02:53] <Rob250> rww: Would you suggest doing it on a different partition?
[02:53] <urlin2u> Rob250, you could clone the natty first then break the originally to your hearts content.
[02:53] <DanaG> I've done it multiple times, but I'd advise only a masochist to do so.
[02:54] <DanaG> Downgrade.
[02:54] <rww> Rob250: If you need your computer to work, don't install Ubuntu development releases on it.
[02:54] <Rob250> rww: Nah, I just saw it and thought it would fun to mess around on, guess I'll just wait until the official release.
[02:55] <rww> jpapertowels: again, tasks aren't packages. there may be tasks and packages that do similar things, but one isn't the other ;)
[02:55] <Rob250> Thanks for the helpful info, everyone.
[02:55] <rww> jpapertowels: anyways, there's some command that shows what command tasksel ends up running for a particular task, I'm trying to remember it
[02:56] <rww> oh, right. tasksel --list-tasks to find the shortname, then tasksel --task-packages TASKNAMEHERE
[02:59] <DanaG> argh, why doesn't alt-shift-tab work in gnome 3?
[03:00] <DanaG> Alt-tab flips window selection to right.... alt-shift-tab doesn't do jack-diddly-squat.
[03:13] <einseenai> guys, is power consumption solved in 11.10 beta?
[03:14] <DanaG> you mean pcie_aspm=force?
[03:15] <DanaG> Heck, I have the same issue with Windows 7.  ASPM is disabled "due to known incompatibilities"
[03:15] <yofel> well, 'solved' is the wrong word, it's better, but aspm isn't forced thankfully
[03:17] <einseenai> yofel, you mean isn't forced by default?
[03:17] <yofel> no it's not
[03:17] <einseenai> i have read somewhere that forcing saves power..
[03:18] <einseenai> or opposite?
[03:18] <yofel> it does, and on my thinkpad results in reproducible system freezes, so I'll rather live with shorter battery life
[03:20] <yofel> einseenai: bug 760131 for the ASPM issue
[03:23] <DanaG> Here's my take:
[03:23] <DanaG> If BIOS says "I don't support ASPM for this device", yet enables it anyway... why not think?
[03:24] <DanaG> You don't support it?  Bull.  You must support it, if you're enabling it.
[03:24] <DanaG> i.e. and option pcie_aspm=obey_bios
[03:24] <DanaG> s/and/an/
[03:26] <yofel> well, right now that should be what the kernel does by default. Now go and fix the broken BIOSes out there
[03:27] <DanaG> "Should be", or "is"?
[03:27] <DanaG> s/should/ought to/
[03:28] <robin0800> Rob250, my list can't unzip zips , banshee crashes
[03:29] <DanaG> Mozilla Firefox "Mozilla Firefox" is ready
[03:29] <DanaG> What's up with that?
[03:29] <DanaG> That's a totally stupid message.
[03:39] <DanaG> Say, how do I make gnome3 default to Thunderbird instead of Evolution?
[03:48] <DanaG> say, where's tsclient?
[03:48] <DanaG> Package is missing.
[03:50] <DanaG> oh, I see, it's replaced by vinagre.
[03:51] <DanaG> I didn't know vinagre did RDP.
[03:56] <tntc> ok, I've got a weird bug here. I've pretty much _never_ had brightness levels change correctly without hacking, but this release seems closer.
[03:57] <tntc> Login screen: Brightness changes one level at a time.
[03:57] <tntc> As soon as I log in, brightness events double. Clearly the power system is started before I log in because the battery icon is there. What additional power options are enabled between the login screen and actual login?
[03:59] <jbicha> DanaG: that's a new feature in Vinagre 3.0, you can also try remmina if you want an alternative
[03:59] <DanaG> Now, is there something that'll scale UP?
[03:59] <DanaG> I've hex-edited mstsc under Windows 7 so it doesn't declare itself DPI-aware.
[03:59] <DanaG> So, I get the blurry scaling instead of having everything too dang small.
[04:00] <DanaG> hmm, gnome 3 seems... tolerable.
[04:00] <DanaG> But the move-window-to-another-desktop animation is totally backwards.
[04:00] <DanaG> It shows the window sliding up from the bottom of the next desktop, essentially.
[04:01] <tntc> The only thing I see is perhaps that killing dbus fixes the problem, but pretty much breaks everything else
[04:09] <DanaG> Not sure what the last message you saw was.
[04:09] <DanaG> Wow, so Gnome 3 gives me exactly TWO brightness levels.   High, and low.
[04:09] <DanaG> Wow, powertop shows my CPU is spending 0% of it's time in any power state.  Meaning, it's never in any power state at all.  Does that mean it's dead? =þ
[04:09] <DanaG> And zero wakeups per second. I suppose I should file a bug...
[04:13] <Zequez> Hey, how can I stop the XServer? I need to install the Nvidia drivers. The gdm service is not installed =/
[04:15] <Zequez> I think I found it, the new service is lightdm
[04:38] <zequez> Hello, I was minding my own business when suddenly the screen freezes, then the windows manager restarts automatically and suddenly the screen is upside down
[04:38] <zequez> So I stopped the lightdm service, and now I cant start it
[04:38] <zequez> I'm in the console
[04:39] <zequez> I mean, I don't get any error, but Ctrl+Alt+F7 just don't show anything :S
[04:40] <zequez> No one?
[04:43] <ActionParsnip> zequez: sup
[04:44] <zequez> Sup
[04:44] <ActionParsnip> zequez: try the windows shortcut, at+ctrl+Up cursor
[04:45] <zequez> ActionParsnip: I don't have a graphical interface, I'm using irssi
[04:45] <ActionParsnip> zequez: ahh, no X
[04:45] <ActionParsnip> ?
[04:46] <zequez> I try to start it with `sudo service lightdm restart` or stop/start, and it don't even throw an error
[04:47] <zequez> ActionParsnip: In the F7 console there are no errors neither, just some logs about starting Arpparmor, something about the kernel, bluethoot and Pulseaudio
[04:50] <zequez> Can someone tell me at least where the log is?
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> zequez: what did you do to start this happening?
[04:55] <zequez> I wasnt doing anything, I think Ubuntu was installing the Nvidia drivers but it wasn't finished downloading them. Then the screen freezes, then the windows managers resets so the screen wasnt freezed anymore, but it was upside down, though only the image was upside down (I mean, for moving the window I had to click on the top of the screen though I saw it in the bottom). Then I hit Ctrl+Alt+1 to enter the console, then I typed `sudo service lightdm restart
[04:55] <ActionParsnip> zequez: how were you installing the drivers?
[04:57] <zequez> ActionParsnip: With the usual Ubuntu drivers updater
[04:58] <zequez> ActionParsnip: Also, I just checked the log files and indeed the server starts and then stops, but I can't see any error though
[04:58] <ActionParsnip> zequez: does a reboot help?
[04:59] <zequez> ActionParsnip: I didn't try yet, I was hoping to see if I could solve it without rebooting, but I think I'll try rebooting since it may be worse than I expected
[05:03] <ActionParsnip> wn zequez ;)
[05:03] <ActionParsnip> wb*
[05:18] <zhiwei> hi,all. my panel has no ibus icon.
[05:19] <urlin2u> zhiwei, what release are you runnig?
[05:19] <zhiwei> ubuntu 11.10
[05:20] <zhiwei> urlin2u: but ubuntu11.04 has this problem too.
[05:20] <urlin2u> cool just wondering as you changed channels.
[05:21] <zequez> It's just me or the Unity settings in the CompizConfig are being ignored?
[05:21] <zhiwei> urlin2u: ?
[05:22] <urlin2u> zhiwei, I don't know any answer I have never seen that icon, and this is the channel for 11.10, the one your running
[05:22] <pathorn> I'm unable to install an i386 package on an amd64 system that should exist
[05:22] <pathorn> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libts-0.0-0:i386 : Depends: tsconf:i386 but it is not installable; E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[05:22] <pathorn> But it exists here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/i386/tsconf
[05:23] <pathorn> any idea how to debug this?
[05:23] <Onlyodin> Now I don't seem to have any gnome panels at all
[05:23] <Onlyodin> Unity hasn't opened
[05:24] <Onlyodin> Are there broken updates?
[05:24] <pathorn> I'm up-to-date on beta1
[05:25] <Onlyodin> I believe I am too
[05:25] <micahg> pathorn: it could have other conflicting dependencies
[05:25] <Onlyodin> I cant submit bug reports either
[05:27] <urlin2u> Onlyodin, if it is more then you experiencing this people are probably reporting, I lost the whole unity today with the update, since it is a secondary instal I'm just waiting for more updates to see if it is fixed.
[05:27] <pathorn> micahg: "Package tsconf:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[05:28] <micahg> pathorn: ok, could be a bad dependency, please file a bug against the package that needs it
[05:28] <Onlyodin> urlin2u, good to know I'm not the only one then.
[05:28] <micahg> it appears to be in the archive...
[05:28] <Onlyodin> my /var/log/messages is empty too, and messages.1 has entries only up to Aug 20th
[05:29] <pathorn> ah interesting -- tsconf is architecture all
[05:29] <pathorn> and I have it installed already
[05:30] <zhiwei> urlin2u: when I open two shell window in large mode,the white edge will show. and how to hidden the edge.
[05:30] <pathorn> micahg: but libts-0.0-0:i386 wants tsconf:i386 which doesn't make sense
[05:30] <micahg> that would do it :)
[05:30] <pathorn> I'll file a bug, thanks
[05:30] <micahg> pathorn: sounds like a multiarch issue, please tag as such
[05:31] <urlin2u> zhiwei, I wouldn't know, sorry
[05:32] <rww> pathorn: architecture:all doesn't help if the package isn't also multi-arch:foreign or allowed
[05:32] <rww> i don't know if it is, but there a random factoid for you
[05:34] <zequez> Can someone try to change the Unity settings through the CompizConfig and tell me if it works?+
[05:34] <zhiwei> when will ubuntu beta1 release?
[05:34] <zequez> zhiwei, it already did
[05:35] <Onlyodin> zequez, If I disable/enable the unity plugin it does nothing
[05:36] <urlin2u> zequez, worked yestwrday after crashing repeatedly to accept a script, I would say buggy at this time, in my opinion.
[05:36] <urlin2u> yesterday*
[05:36] <zhiwei> zequez: but i am still Ubuntu oneiric (development branch)
[05:36] <zequez> urlin2u, so it's buggy for everyone then
[05:37] <urlin2u> hard to say I have a trick script I always load.
[05:37] <zhiwei> dist-upgrade show nothing to do.
[05:37] <Onlyodin> dist-upgrade shouldn't, should it?
[05:38] <urlin2u> dist-upgrade is withgin the distro
[05:38] <urlin2u> within
[05:42] <bullgard6> pathorn: " [07:ould ret23]	pathorn	any idea how to debug this?" --  I think that this is due to an inconsistent Ubuntu repository. This is a transient state of affairs, and you simply should retry after some hours.
[05:45]  * Stanley00 help
[05:45]  * Stanley00 help
[05:46] <Onlyodin> Stanley00, no-one can help you because you haven't said what's wrong
[05:47] <Stanley00> sorry, xchat suck with user command :(
[05:48] <Onlyodin> *shrug*
[05:52] <zequez> It seems like `unity --replace` solved the problem with the CompizConfig not applying settings
[05:56] <Onlyodin> when I run unity --replace, it blitzes my titlebars and I cant move or resize windows
[06:05] <Onlyodin> Unity-2D seems almost as broken, except I have title bars
[06:11] <zequez> I think the windows switch interface is quite bloated, it should have an option to be more simplistic
[07:03] <vega-> just read backlog.. no oneiric for my machine :)
[07:16] <urlin2u> chicken
[07:16] <urlin2u> vega-,
[07:17] <urlin2u> I lost unity today with upgrades didn'y really work on fixing it.
[07:24] <jbicha> zequez: if you want a simpler alt-tab, try Unity 2D
[07:25] <zequez> jbicha, how do I activate it? ^^
[07:26] <jbicha> zequez: log out and then click the gear thing next to your name and choose Ubuntu 2D then login
[07:27] <vega-> 07:39 < zequez> Hello, I was minding my own business when suddenly the screen freezes, then the windows  manager restarts automatically and suddenly the screen is upside down
[07:27] <vega-> zequez: maybe you have the "australian version"? :)
[07:28] <zequez> vega-, lol, no, but I'm in the same hemisphere so, so knows!
[07:28] <zequez> who*
[07:30] <i_is_broke> so how stable is the 64bit running?
[07:36] <zequez> Well I have the Unity app switcher locked in the middle of the screen, this is certainly counterproductive
[07:36] <zequez> Does anyone knows the process name?
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> Thought it would be jumping in here...
[07:48] <ActionParsnip> !info mutter oneiric
[07:48] <ActionParsnip> Can unity be used with
[07:49] <ActionParsnip> With mutter?
[08:02] <ElTimo> Anyone else having problems with flashplayer?
[08:03] <htorque> when did i not have problems with flashplayer? :P
[08:11] <ElTimo> htorque: good point.
[08:11] <ElTimo> I have it installed, but firefox still says it's not there.
[08:15] <htorque> ElTimo: did you install the package 'flashplugin-installer'? did you restart firefox?
[08:16] <ElTimo> htorque: I actually upgraded from 11.04, which had it installed.
[08:18] <htorque> i'd just try to reinstall it using 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer'
[08:18] <htorque> then restart ff and it should work
[08:24] <psypher246> hello all. I am trying to install oneiric in virtualbox but the installation fails half way. does anyone know the bug report for that problem,it was prevalent in alpha versions as well?
[08:25] <psypher246> i can't seem to find the report
[08:29] <Stanley00> psypher246: I think use a persistent usb is a better choice...
[08:29] <psypher246> to test with?
[08:30] <Stanley00> psypher246: you can test your "real" PC with that usb,
[08:30] <psypher246> Stanley00: i am not too fussed about testing it, i want to get the bug report for for virtualbox and work on that
[08:31] <Stanley00> psypher246: oh, I see...
[08:32] <psypher246> i know i can install it with the alt cd
[08:32] <psypher246> but would like to assist with the vm bug
[09:11] <kbroulik> hey :) Is it somewhat uncomplicated using LightDm as well on Kubuntu? i.e. install that package and done?
[09:48] <zniavre_> good morning
[09:49] <zniavre_> wich irc software is already gtk3 please ?
[10:00] <Guest62672> :-/
[10:01] <gnomitsu> :D
[10:04] <gnomitsu> still couldnt figure out irc status window from empathy . had to /join room first to be able to /nick
[10:04] <gnomitsu> but, it's working!  :D
[10:05] <gnomitsu> empathy was clumsy about allowing me to /identify in time
[10:07] <Stanley00> gnomitsu: empathy is not a good im, i think
[10:07]  * Stanley00 dont know why it is the default in ubuntu.
[10:08] <gnomitsu> i give betaOne a solid +1. very cool visually. Stanley00: i know, still had to try and see if there was any improvement. and it does feel nicer than before
[10:09]  * gnomitsu snuggles irssi daily  :D
[10:09] <Stanley00> gnomitsu: I give it a try for about 2 hours, and then switch to pidgin and xchat :))
[10:09] <gnomitsu> heh
[10:12] <gnomitsu> actually, i differ a bit.. i think it be fair to say 'its substandard' for irc.. it should be fine for IM tho [cant vouch for IM 'cause i dont use IM really]
[10:13]  * Stanley00 agree with gnomitsu
[10:14] <gnomitsu> however, its still nice to have an alternative if all else fails /chuckles
[10:16] <gnomitsu> gwibber is looking cool for identi.ca . except this new version doesnt show what service other folk send messages in like before
[10:17] <gnomitsu> s/service/software
[10:19]  * gnomitsu liked the old software center icon moar  :(
[10:20] <gnomitsu> and last but not least.. dash is looking smexy!  :D
[10:23] <gnomitsu> definitely like the ubuntu dash button in its currect location
[10:23] <gnomitsu> s/currect/current
[10:24] <Stanley00> yep, I like close button right in the corner :)
[10:24] <Stanley00> but I dont like trash icon, I never use it before :(
[10:25] <gnomitsu> i dont mind it much .. if am doing file operations am most likey in nautilus already so, go figure
[10:33] <gnomitsu> apg installed by default!? /giggles
[10:37] <gnomitsu> anybody else having issues login in to launchpad? keeps telling me 'wrong password' .. i dun agree  >:(
[10:39] <gnomitsu> ubuntuone gave me similar grief a few moments ago.. but i kept hitting it until it let me in   :o
[10:40] <gnomitsu> that method isnt working for launchpad tho..
[11:22] <gnomitsu> aside this Bug 839285, everything else is going pretty well here .. so far   :)
[11:24] <gnomitsu> only has happened once here in beta1 for me
[11:27] <Andy80> hi
[11:27] <Andy80> I'm installing Oneiric beta1 on a virtual machine. I noticed that all the screenshot visible in the installer are not updated. Is there already anyone who is taking care of this task?
[11:28] <Ian_Corne> so much stuff held back..
[11:44] <sshd> hello
[11:44] <sshd> i install ubuntu 11.10 beta1
[11:45] <sshd> how i change the fonts?
[12:03] <gnomitsu> so exciting. beta1 +1 [unity side]
[12:03] <gnomitsu> :D
[12:06] <leotr> hi! there is something wrong with my gnome activity journal. When i open it i get "journal loading..." and nothing occurs
[12:07] <leotr> i tried to reinstall zeitgeist and gnome activity journal but it gave no result
[12:09] <leotr> maybe there is zeitgeist data directory and i can remove it, so zeitgeist creates a new one
[12:15] <thunsucker> has anyone tried 11.10 on any old acer travelmate/
[12:22] <gnomitsu> empathy glitched out while fullscreen with three open channels   :-/  no crash though
[12:22] <gnomitsu> [irc channels]
[12:24] <gnomitsu> had it on its own workspace, panel didnt want to hide and there was some screen artifacts on its workspace only
[12:24] <mortal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/839503 my bug
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Kwin not displaying the wallpaper at the proper size , altho the resolution is correct. However, if I click outside of the wallpaper there's no response to the cursor , acting like it's beyond the screen. The strange part is that maximized windows fill the screen comletely, unlike the wallpaper... what gives?
[13:10] <Ian_Corne> is there a compiz dev channel?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, yes
[13:12] <BluesKaj> #compiz-dev
[13:12] <Ian_Corne> i saw
[13:28] <eduardo> hi
[13:28] <eduardo> anyone oneiric?
[13:29] <bazhang> sure
[13:29] <eduardo> do you know change font size?
[13:30] <eduardo> ?¿
[13:31] <Pici> I'm not using unity here, so I couldn't tell you reliably.
[13:32] <eduardo> thnks :)
[13:57] <mongy> gnome-tweak-tool is the only way I know
[14:05] <ziikutv> How can I upgrade to 11.10 without using disc?
[14:07] <IdleOne> !info icc-profiles-free
[14:11] <Pici> ziikutv: There should be instructions in the release notes in the channel topic.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Kwin not displaying the wallpaper at the proper size , altho the resolution is correct. However, if I click outside of the wallpaper there's no response to the cursor , acting like it's beyond the screen. The strange part is that maximized windows fill the screen completely, unlike the wallpaper... any ideas?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> !upgrade |ziikutv
[14:17] <ziikutv> thanks
[14:36] <juank_prada> hi guys, are torrents available for 11.10 beta?
[14:39] <IdleOne> /topic
[14:41] <juank_prada> IdleOne: i mean, one that actually works... the ones there do not work... they keep as stalled
[14:42] <IdleOne> I guess there are no seeds
[14:43] <Trewas> maybe they don't bother with torrents for short-lived beta-releases, direct http download seems fast enough anyway
[14:51] <juank_prada> well... then why provide a torrent with no seeds?
[14:51] <mhall119> does anyone know if there's a bug in Oneiric where it'll think a WPA2 wifi AP is WEP?
[14:52] <mhall119> iwlist shows that it's WPA2
[14:52] <mhall119> but when I try to connect it's asking for a WEP key
[14:53] <mhall119> at least I assume it's looking for a wep key, it says "Key:" and doesn't like my password length, won't enable the "Connect" button
[14:56] <andi> hoi
[14:56] <andi> having trouble with installing gnome3 on oneiric
[14:56] <andi> in apt-get i only see the old packages 2.xx of gnome
[14:57] <andi>  gnome : Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+11ubuntu2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[15:02] <astraljava> andi: apt-cache show gnome shows it coming from source meta-gnome2, so I'm suspecting that's the wrong package for getting gnome3 in the first place.
[15:02] <astraljava> Any reason you can't install ubuntu-desktop?
[15:02] <andi> u mean unity?
[15:04] <andi> Version: 1:2.30+11ubuntu2
[15:04] <andi> Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+11ubuntu2), --> apt-cache
[15:04] <andi> how can i install gnome 3?
[15:07] <astraljava> Unity is not all there is to ubuntu-desktop. Perhaps I misunderstand what you're actually looking for. Ubuntu uses gnome3 nowadays. But is it that you don't want unity at all? gnome-shell can act as a replacement.
[15:08] <andi> ah i c
[15:08] <andi> have to reboot
[15:25] <elv> hi i have enabled multiarch support but i cannot install skype due to a problem related to dependencies like libglib2 and libqt
[15:27] <elv> any ideas?
[15:28] <jtaylor> did you update?
[15:39] <elv> installing manually libglib2 want to remove half system....
[15:43] <jtaylor> thats strange
[15:43] <jtaylor> libglib2.0-0:i386 should coinstall fine
[15:47] <delac> Dash crashes every time I click any of the "Apps" icons, or "Files". Fix?
[15:48] <elv> on sudo apt-get install skype:i386 i'm getting E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[15:48] <jtaylor> try apt-get install -f but beware not to remove your system
[15:49] <Guest32943> hi, i just upgrade to 11.10 and now my computer wont boot. the upgrade said something about glibc2 not beeing able to install, but I managed to install it using a recovery usb stick, and now apt says everything is fine, but my computer wont boot into x or console either way.
[15:50] <Guest32943> grub boots, and it loads, but right after the disk is mounted, it just stops.
[15:51] <qzio_> is there possible to debug this kind of problem somehow?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> kwin isn't rendering the desktop properly , plasma seems ok because the panel isn't affected
[15:54] <delac> Hey! Dash actually is starting to seem usable. \o/ But, does it yet support customizing the "Shortcuts"  and can I hide the "Apps available for Download" section?
[15:59] <thunarguy> How can I install flash in Ubuntu 11.10?
[16:00] <thunarguy> I tried installing flashplugin-installer as usual, but it says nspluginwrapper isnt installed, and I cant install that either
[16:01] <jtaylor> is multiarch enabled?
[16:03] <meepsmeep> hello?
[16:05] <meepsmeep> I am unable to install flashplugin-installer in Oneiric, it says http://paste.ubuntu.com/680671/
[16:05] <jtaylor> fresh install or upgrade?
[16:05] <meepsmeep> jtaylor: Fresh
[16:07] <Vanillalite> Hey all! Happy Friday/Weekend/Ubuntu Global Jam!
[16:07] <meepsmeep> does no-one know?  Interesting...
[16:11] <meepsmeep> tiox: Yeah
[16:11] <jtaylor> the glib update broke something
[16:11] <meepsmeep> I dont see why flash needs gtk2 :/
[16:11] <jtaylor> same issue elv had
[16:12] <tiox> Then the other thing I would recommend is installing flash from an earlier build of Ubuntu and transplanting the files it produces.
[16:12] <Vanillalite> hey not sure if this will work but someone on the ubuntu forums fixed flash for me
[16:12] <meepsmeep> Vanillalite: Link?
[16:12] <Vanillalite> someone on the forums made this handy FireFox add-on that clears out old flash and installs the correct flash and it worked for me in FF and Chrome then
[16:12] <Vanillalite> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-aid/
[16:12] <meepsmeep> I hope this works, please dont make me go back to natty xD
[16:13] <meepsmeep> And NOOO FIREFOX
[16:13] <meepsmeep> oh chrome too :P
[16:13] <Vanillalite> I use Chrome
[16:13] <Vanillalite> but the fix was FF but seemed to fix flash system wide
[16:13] <meepsmeep> let me just install firefox ;)
[16:13] <Vanillalite> let me know if that works for you meep
[16:14] <meepsmeep> Vanillalite: Excuse me, my name is meepsmeep ;)
[16:14] <meepsmeep> Vanillalite: but thanks for the link :P
[16:14] <Vanillalite> okay I have a simple question... where are your screen saver settings hidden in 11.10?
[16:16] <jtaylor> it appears something was broken in the last update, a workaround would be to use 64 bit flash from sevenmachines ppa
[16:17] <meepsmeep> jtaylor: yay 64 bit flash
[16:19] <meepsmeep> omg my internet is being so slow
[16:20] <meepsmeep> reboot router time
[16:20] <meepsmeep> brb
[16:21] <Vanillalite> so yeah does anyone know where I can find my screen saver settings?
[16:27] <jtaylor> hm flashplugin installation works again
[16:28] <jtaylor> I had a partial upgrade problem
[16:29] <mortal> update-manager -d installation does not work
[16:39] <BluesKaj> yofel, there must be others running kde who have kwin probs , desktop windows resizing, wallpaper  , wrong screensizing etc ...my wallpaper is covering only 20% or so of my screen ...hope the devs are working on it
[16:44] <BluesKaj> yofel , or anyone else interested , this my desktop, http://wstaw.org/m/2011/09/02/snapshot17.png
[16:48] <yofel> BluesKaj: not sure, nothing of that is broken for me, 4.7.1 got tagged today, maybe that'll help. Does changing the positioning of the wallpaper have any effect?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> yofel, no
[16:52] <BluesKaj> yofel, centering the wallpaper makes 3x smaller , but moves it to the center
[16:52] <yofel> o.O
[16:53] <BluesKaj> is 4.7.1.in the ppas or backports ?, yofel
[16:54] <BluesKaj> yofel, the apps will open to fullscreen but don't rremeber any other sizing settings
[16:56] <jpiche> is there a reason why on the 11.10 beta1 live cd, all the tty terminals are logged in automatically? Has that always been the case?
[16:57] <babai> can anyone download the 11.10 beta amd64 torrent?
[17:05] <x0r> BluesKaj
[17:05] <x0r> thanks for the tip on the linksys causing networkmanager to behave badly
[17:06] <x0r> bypassing the linksys switch and hooking the ubunto box to the d-link router made the network hangs go away
[17:09] <escott> am i correct that it is now impossible to install skype 32bit on a 64bit system or am I missing something? ldd `which skype` shows libQtDBus.so.4 => not found, but apt-file search libQtDBus.so.4 only lists the 64bit versions and apt-get install libqt4-dbus:i386 fails on various dependencies (ie it seems not to want to install the i386 version of the packages)
[17:09] <BluesKaj> x0r, we had the same prob on W7 , believe it or not ...linksys as well btw
[17:09] <yofel> BluesKaj: 4.7.1 got tagged today and should be released on tuesday, so we'll have to wait.
[17:10] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok , thanks for the heads up :)
[17:30] <Guest90549> has anyone had any problems with ctrl + W and super + W being so close?
[17:31] <escott> Guest61995, have you considered using xmodmap to move super to caps-lock
[17:59] <Guest90549> escott: i suppose that would work in this situation too?
[18:01] <thebwt> As an nvidia user, I am a bit confused by jockey's list of options. Is there any documentation on these new options? Can multiple entries be active at once?
[18:03] <escott> Guest90549, its probably the best solution for your current problems, alternately you could change the mappings with ccsm (assuming you are running unity/compiz shell)
[18:04] <thebwt> here is an image to clarify http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:07] <escott> thebwt, bad link
[18:07] <thebwt> escott: whoops!
[18:07] <thebwt> http://i.imgur.com/tf3bM.png
[18:09] <thebwt> brb need to move irssi to a screen session
[18:09] <escott> thebwt, i *think* the issue is that nvidia has been agressively deprecating support out of their drivers, so some older cards can use 173 but not newer, whereas some cards can use the current driver. i'm not sure what would be recommended for your card
[18:11] <Vanillalite> Hello all... does anyone know where I can find the screensaver settings in 11.10?
[18:11] <escott> thebwt, check the output of lspci against the list of supported graphics cards and cpuids mentioned in /usr/share/....../readme.tgz in the description of the drivers
[18:31] <yofel> thebwt: I'm not sure where that entry that you marked comes from, esp. since the description at the bottom seems to indicate it's the same driver as the entry below it. The experimental 3D support is for nouveau and the post-release updates are currently the same version as the current one
[18:35] <thebwt> yofel: Thanks! I went ahead and installed the 'version current' one. After a reboot my entries area a bit different, and the 'binary Xorg driver' entry seems to instead correlate to the nvidia-173-updates package.
[18:44] <thebwt> Is window edge dragging not working caused by using gtk-window-decorator insteady of unity's?
[18:47] <ChrisGagnon> Is anyone else having problems pushing packages with bzr after upgrading to beta 1?
[18:53] <basso> hello hello
[18:53] <basso> has updates started pouring inn?
[18:58] <ChrisGagnon> basso: I have 68 updates :)
[18:58] <basso> that sounds awsome
[18:59] <ChrisGagnon> doh! Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/indicator-session/indicator-session_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb 404  Not Found
[19:11] <vooze> if i use 11.04, can i just dist-upgrade, or do i need to reinstall to get beta1?
[19:12] <jtaylor> you can dist-upgrade, but it there is a risk that it won't work as well
[19:12] <Pici> vooze: There are upgrade instructions in the release notes in the topic.
[19:12] <Dimmuxx> update-manager -d should still do the trick
[19:13] <vooze> okay, guess i will just download and reinstall, thanks guys
[19:15] <psalden> guys, all of sudden, gnome-settings-daemon is crashing continuously for me, even after reboot. Does this sound familiar to anyone?
[19:16] <jtaylor> yes it crashes for me often too
[19:17] <psalden> ok
[19:18] <Dimmuxx> same here
[19:18] <Dimmuxx> in unity at least, gnome-shell seems to be stable
[19:20] <psalden> Iá'm having quite some graphical trouble with gnome-shell in general, now that you mention it. Created a second account so that I didn't have to use the same teams for unity and gnome, but still shell isn't verystable
[19:20] <psalden> themes lol, not teams
[19:20] <Dimmuxx> ati graphics?
[19:21] <escott> am i correct that it is now impossible to install skype 32bit on a 64bit system or am I missing something? ldd `which skype` shows libQtDBus.so.4 => not found, but apt-file search libQtDBus.so.4 only lists the 64bit versions and apt-get install libqt4-dbus:i386 fails on various dependencies (ie it seems not to want to install the i386 version of the packages)
[19:22] <Dimmuxx> it should be possible
[19:23] <psalden> Dimmuxx: yeah, running radeon driver though. It worked more or less fine under fedora
[19:23] <Dimmuxx> okay, I've heard that there are problems in gnome-shell with ati
[19:24] <psalden> from what II've seen that's mostly for thefglrx driver
[19:24] <Dimmuxx> yeah that's what I meant, maybe the open driver is supposed to work better
[19:25] <psalden> how did you tackle the problem with shared theme etc. between unity and shell?
[19:25] <Dimmuxx> unity just crashed on the first boot then I switched to gnome-shell
[19:26] <psalden> ah ok, lol
[19:26] <psalden> I do hope they somehow seperate the two in the end
[19:26] <psalden> the two accounts solution is quite inconvenient
[19:26] <psalden> -e+a
[19:27] <Dimmuxx> but almost every time on first boot unity crashes so it seems likely that it would continue to do it if I continue to use it :P
[19:27] <Dimmuxx> hopefully there will be a better solution than gnome-tweak-tool to change the theme in the future
[19:29] <psalden> for gnome you mean? afaik theyy've stated they don't want it as they want a unified look
[19:29] <psalden> (this keyboard layout is starting to annoy me)
[19:31] <Dimmuxx> well the shell theme is really nice at least
[19:31] <psalden> it is
[19:39] <DanaG> fglrx+gnome3 will be fixed in 11.9.
[19:40] <psalden> catalyst you mean?
[19:41] <psalden> thing is, for me fglrx seemed to work far from smooth will natty unity, xfce and everything. Would be cool if they would fix that, whatever it is
[19:44] <basso> psalden: used open source driver?
[19:45] <psalden> yeah am doing so at the moment, that one is fine :)
[19:46] <AlanBell> hi all, I can't navigate application menus using the keyboard, is this normal?
[19:46] <AlanBell> so alt+f should open the file menu, but doesn't with the global menu
[19:46] <gnomitsu> Bug #839843 <--  :(
[19:47] <gnomitsu> just filed it. telepathy-idle crashing
[19:48] <gnomitsu> luckyly, i has irssi for irc  -_-
[19:57] <Ruthg> Hello I just upgraded to oneric, but after boot no displaymanager starts, I tried to restart lightdm, start gdm or kdm but none of them work. When I start "sudo Xorg" it complains that there is no module for the nvidia driver. Is this a known problem?
[19:59] <urlin2u> Ruthg, when you upgrade drivers do not follow.
[20:00] <BluesKaj> Ruthg, admin , additional derivers , choose the recommended driver
[20:00] <DanaG> jockey-text
[20:01] <genii-around>  I usually do like: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current && sudo modprobe nvidia-current && sudo initctl restart <dm-name-here>
[20:04] <BluesKaj> genii-around, without dropping to a tty and stopping the dm ?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> wish I knew that before
[20:07] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, the tty skills are important to know though.
[20:08] <BluesKaj> urlin2u, yeah, i was informed to stop the display manager before installing graphics drivers
[20:09] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, I think if activated in te additional alogout or reboot may be needed, I never have needed a graphic driver offered there though.
[20:11] <genii-around> BluesKaj: from the ctrl-alt-f1 console usually
[20:11] <urlin2u> got the gnome shell running with intel graphics that was a bit of work
[20:12] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah the tty
[20:16] <BluesKaj> urlin2u, with nviida one needs to install the nvidia-current after an OS upgrade or install since the default is the nouveau driver . whicj lacks 3d and dr
[20:16] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, cool thanks :D
[20:18] <sergio91pt> Anyone knows where to change/restore the default home folders? Lost movies and music after a symlink
[20:25] <DanaG> you don't even need "initctl"
[20:25] <DanaG> just sudo restart gdm
[20:25] <DanaG> or stop gdm then start gdm.
[20:26] <DanaG> Old restart used to start even if stopped... now it just complains.
[20:27] <BluesKaj> sergio91pt, open your file manager , root, then find the home folder...but whether you can restore it to ~/ , I'm not sure
[20:31] <sergio91pt> BluesKaj, I keep my movies and music on a seperate disk and symlink to /home/sergio but after a reboot I lost "the special icon" and the bookmarks
[20:31] <sergio91pt> and can't find where they're defined. In natty was in gconf
[20:31] <bil21al> here is an issue any body help??

[20:32] <sergio91pt> speak
[20:32] <bil21al> i upgrade now but the unity is not starts
[20:32] <bil21al> i am now using unity 2d
[20:33] <bil21al> sergio91pt:
[20:33] <BluesKaj> sergio91pt, does the disk show up in nautilus/places?
[20:33] <bil21al> have u seen this
[20:33] <ChrisGagnon> bil21al: what graphics card are you using?
[20:35] <bil21al> i m not using any graphic card it has its own card..i m using  IBM think pad chrisGagnon:
[20:35] <sergio91pt> BluesKaj: Now is, I forced the disk to auto-mount in fstab and restarted. But the link was broken before and thats why I lost the defaults (I think)
[20:36] <BluesKaj> right , that was my next question
[20:36] <bil21al> chrisGagnon : have you see this issue ???
[20:37] <sergio91pt> bil21al: try to see if jockey has any drivers for you. Go to System settings->Additional drivers
[20:38] <ChrisGagnon> bil21al: Yes, if your graphics driver doesn't support 3d then it will fall back to unity2d. sergio91pt has good advice
[20:38] <BluesKaj> Is there a way to refresh the desktop without logging out ?, ...afraid to logout due to kwin instability
[20:38] <bil21al> no befor the update is was running well
[20:38] <bil21al> see this bug
[20:38] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/839838
[20:39] <mongy> any quick fix to the constant "there was a problem" errors that keep popping up.. I guess I could just leave one hanging there, seems they only display 1 at a time.
[20:47] <bronson> Is anyone else getting "BadName (named color or font does not exist)" when trying to start xfce4-power-manager?
[20:52] <ChrisGagnon> bronson: it works for me in unity2d
[20:56] <Ruthg> genii-around Hmmz the modprobe nvidia-current gives me "no such device"
[20:58] <sergio91pt> Found it: ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs bil21al, thanks for your help.
[20:59] <Ruthg> will try to reinstall with the cd instead dont  have the patients to fix X :(
[21:10] <genii-around> Ruthg: What says result of: modprobe -l | grep nvidia-current
[21:21] <Ruthg> Sorry I am already installing it from scratch again
[21:22] <Ruthg> I think thats good as I dont like upgrading and I did that from 10.10 to 11.04 so a fresh 11.10 is nice
[21:22] <Ruthg> what is the name of the main gnome-shell package to install to get all of gnome 3?
[21:26] <basso> now im going to try to make an efi bootable ubuntu install!
[21:29] <basso> last time i tried with the normal iso
[21:29] <basso> i got a black efi
[21:29] <basso> "blank"
[21:29] <basso> so couldnt boot anything :(
[21:31] <basso> maybe that is because efi only loads from fat partions
[21:31] <basso> hmmm
[21:31] <basso> :O
[21:31] <basso> i think i maybe got it"!
[21:31] <FernandoMIguel> evening folks
[21:31] <FernandoMIguel> FYI this now my new identity
[21:31] <FernandoMIguel> BUGabundo identity is now dead
[21:32] <guntbert> as long as BUGabundo is not :)
[21:33] <FernandoMIguel> Current status: 194 updates [+40], 34599 new [-5].
[21:33] <FernandoMIguel> WOW post beta freeze
[21:33] <FernandoMIguel> brb
[21:35] <zonkers> how do i add weather applet to unity.  and cpu frequency
[22:04] <billybigrigger> yay 3.1.9 released finally
[22:05] <billybigrigger> on the ubuntu side i mean
[22:11] <dupondje> gnome-shell broke ? :s
[22:14] <billybigrigger> dupondje, it is?
[22:14] <billybigrigger> thanks, you could have told me BEFORE i started upgrades........
[22:14] <billybigrigger> :P\
[22:25] <astraljava> I'm sure you weren't using oneiric for a production environment anyhoo. Wait, you were?!
[22:42] <joaopinto> hi
[22:42] <joaopinto> anyone using 32bits packages on a 64 bits install ?
[22:44] <jtaylor> yes
[22:48] <joaopinto> ops, working now
[23:05] <dude> hello dudes
[23:05] <dude> any repository with gnome2 available?
[23:05] <rww> nope
[23:07] <Onlyodin> R.I.P. gnome classic :(
[23:07] <billybigrigger> jbicha: howdy
[23:07] <billybigrigger> Onlyodin: that might not be a bad thing :P
[23:08] <Onlyodin> given the current shape of gnome 3 it is. I want my menus back.
[23:09] <dude> well i hope someone creates a fork of gnome2
[23:10] <jtaylor> there already is
[23:10] <jtaylor> I think its called mate
[23:10] <jtaylor> also there is xfce which is quite similar
[23:10] <dude> ubuntu-mate?
[23:11] <billybigrigger> dude: no i think it's just mate
[23:11] <Onlyodin> mate desktop environment
[23:11] <jtaylor> http://matsusoft.com.ar/redmine/projects/mate
[23:12] <rww> I predict project death in months.
[23:12] <Onlyodin> iirc there's a bunch of guys from the Arch community working on it
[23:12] <rww> (if not sooner)
[23:13] <dude> 3d stuff is a toy on desktop
[23:13] <dude> not everyone has a 28" screen
[23:14] <billybigrigger> unity3d is nice on my 15" laptop
[23:15] <Onlyodin> 3 Dimensions = layers >= uber high res ;)
[23:16] <dude> i think KISS is the best way for usability
[23:16] <jtaylor> I find the unity desktop very simple
[23:16] <jtaylor> the only thing I remove on a fresh install are all the libreoffice launchers
[23:17] <Onlyodin> don't get me wrong, I do like unity when it's not utterly screwed, but when I click "dash home" I want something that'll give me my applications and system related stuff busted out into menus as was available in gnome2.
[23:17] <billybigrigger> hah, i keep catching myself going for unity in xfce
[23:17] <jtaylor> I don't like menus
[23:17] <jtaylor> the gnome 2 menu is terrible
[23:17] <jtaylor> no search
[23:18] <jtaylor> => I trained myself to use the commandline due to the tabcompletion
[23:18] <jbicha> billybigrigger: hi, I was catching up on email & such
[23:18] <Onlyodin> I'm not saying take the search away, I just want a button or something that brings a menu up.
[23:18] <jtaylor> so I really like the search based unity dash
[23:21] <Onlyodin> cli is great, but if I'm doing something graphic like moving windows and clicking launcher buttons, the _last_ thing I want is to have to take my hand off the mouse just to type the first couple of characters of what I'm looking for
[23:21] <Onlyodin> but when I'm in a terminal, mouse be damned.
[23:27] <jtaylor> for when I am in "mouse only mode" I have easystroke :P
[23:29] <Onlyodin> what's easystroke? some kind of mouse gesture tool?
[23:33] <jtaylor> yes
[23:38] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[23:58] <Stanley00> I'd like to have ThunderBird minimize to systray, or something like that, does anyone have a suggestion, please?


[02:24] <krytarik> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2018-August/005402.html - while it seems to be fun speculating about the impact of this change to Xfce without ever talking to its devs or the Xubuntu ones about it, the thread clearly indicates that it's merely about the Mutter window manager - which Xfce nor Xubuntu use by default, but rather its own Xfwm.
[18:45] <Eickmeyer> krycek: What makes you think I didn't talk to someone from Xubuntu? I got that info from flocculant himself, and he mentioned Xubuntu has had issues with changes in GTK in the past. Please stop assmuming such things.
[18:46] <krycek> Yes, that is true - but this isn't about GTK+
[18:48] <OvenWerks> not worth fighting about though. The plan is still to use xfce for now. Plasma is a long way from ready... just barely started in fact.
[18:50] <OvenWerks> xfce is very common in the audio users world as a replacement for gnome and so far nothng has filled that hole. Not that long ago, plasma was not very nice.
[21:30] <OvenWerks> eylul: have huion 610pro... son is over the moon :)
[21:32] <OvenWerks> eylul: requires extra kernel modules... though this is 14.04.


[01:36] <qwebirc15836> is mythbuntu still supported?
[01:37] <tgm4883> Yea
[01:37] <tgm4883> Why wouldn't it be
[01:38] <qwebirc15836> The website for Mythbunutu doesn't have any news or other posts for quite some time.
[01:38] <qwebirc15836> And the Mythtv website is much the same...
[01:39] <qwebirc15836> latest post on Mythbuntu under "Latest News" is dated October 15, 2014
[01:40] <qwebirc15836> And same date on the Mythtv website (0.27.4 release).
[01:40] <tgm4883> Ok
[01:40] <tgm4883> Well still supported
[01:40] <tgm4883> I'll see about making an update
[01:42] <qwebirc15836> ok - is there a way to install the latest mythbuntu (16.04?) straight onto a computer with no OS on it - I can only find "desktop images", which appear to require you are already running another OS...
[01:47] <qwebirc15836> Still there?
[01:48] <tgm4883> Sorry on the train
[01:48] <tgm4883> The daily images should work
[01:48] <qwebirc15836> oh - didn't realize you were traveling. From here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/ ?
[02:06] <tgm4883> Yes


[00:05] <Gargoyle> tomreyn: You are my hero!!!
[00:05] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: ;-)
[00:05] <Gargoyle> All 3 screens running happy at 2560x1440!
[00:05] <tomreyn> which card is this?
[00:06] <Gargoyle> Radeon VII
[00:06] <tomreyn> cute
[00:06] <tomreyn> monster
[00:06] <Gargoyle> Kernel 5.0 was looking for *_te.bin which is not in that list you linked to. But 4.20.7 is happy! :-)
[00:08] <tomreyn> that's *_te.bin in addition to vega20_sos.bin or instead of it?
[00:08] <Gargoyle> Not sure, I only saw the te.bin filename in the dmesg error
[00:10] <Gargoyle> One other thing you might be able to help with. When I get an official kernel update, my EFI gets updated and it picks that one by default. But after manually installing 4.20.7, the EFI still defaults to 4.19. Is there something I can trigger to get it to do the same as if it was a normal kernel update.
[00:11] <Gargoyle> I'm not sure I want to remove the official kernel just yet.
[00:11] <tomreyn> it happens that there's ome delay until the latest firmwares become available. but most of the time agd5f releases it just in time.
[00:12] <tomreyn> Gargoyle: update-grub doesn't add it?
[00:12] <Gargoyle> I don't use grub. I've got rEFInd.
[00:13] <tomreyn> oh, i'm not familiar with that
[00:13] <Gargoyle> Maybe because the upgrade to 19.04 had helpfully re-installed grub for me, it's updating the wrong menu.
[00:16] <tomreyn> on an uefi system, grub installs its first stage on the efi, and that's all there is in term of linux by default. you can add more and change things using efibootmgr. when grub loads, the grub menu loads from /boot as in the past, and so are kernels and initrd
[00:17] <tomreyn> so *if you use grub* you need to make sure /boot/grub/grub.cfg contains all the kernels you may want to run (in case the "update-grub" command misses some)
[00:18] <tomreyn> so there is no wrong grub menu really
[00:18] <Gargoyle> rEFInd is similar, but it doesn't "need" the same config stuff. It's scans the HD's in your system for things it knows how to boot. So it just finds all the kernels in /boot automagically
[00:18] <Gargoyle> Just not sure what triggers it to pick a particular one by default. But I'll leave that for another day!
[00:19] <tomreyn> grub would also add all kernels it finds in /boot
[00:19] <tomreyn> plus some other kernels if those are found by os-prober
[00:19] <Gargoyle> but you have to run grub install ?
[00:19] <Gargoyle> or grub update?
[00:19] <tomreyn> grub-install does nothing but placing the grub stage 1 onto the esp
[00:20] <tomreyn> grub-update updates grub.cfg with kernels it finds
[00:20] <tomreyn> err update-grub i mean
[00:20] <tomreyn> "grub update" does not exist
[00:21] <Gargoyle> rEFInd does it automatically each boot
[00:21] <Gargoyle> It's saved me a few times when I "lost" my windows boot... or vice-versa
[00:21] <tomreyn> i see. update-grub is also triggered when kernel packages are installed or removed
[00:22] <Gargoyle> So I eventually made it my default boot loader in EFI and removed grub
[00:23] <Gargoyle> Anyway. Thanks for the help. Much appreciated that I finished the day with my new gfx card installed and working. :-)
[00:23] <tomreyn> :) enjoy it.