[00:00] <jeff1> it's pretty stable, i have been doing regular updates from a tribe and it's been smooth
[00:02] <Arwen> ok
[00:02] <Arwen> thanks
[00:03] <burner> how can 8.04 be lts and the "stable" one when gnome-vfs is deprecated for gio and gio is horribly broken?
[00:05] <TheInfinity> burner: 8.04 is ALPHA
[00:05] <TheInfinity> -> just for testing
[00:05] <burner> TheInfinity: no no, i get it... but i mean when 8.04 is finally released, how can it be the LTS, teh one that people flock to when it has a regression from dapper
[00:05] <burner> ftp:// worked in nautilus in dapper
[00:05] <burner> smb:// worked in nautilus in dapper
[00:06] <burner> neither will work in hardy if things don't change significantly
[00:06] <TheInfinity> make a bug report
[00:06] <TheInfinity> and alpha means some things dont work
[00:06] <TheInfinity> kubuntu is atm happy crashing apps
[00:07] <burner> TheInfinity: it's not a bug... it's gnome's roadmap
[00:07] <burner> gio is not going to work in gnome 2.22
[00:07] <burner> hence, it won't work in hardy
[00:08] <TheInfinity> ok, ... i'm kde guy, so i dont have a problem with it because konqui will always have it ;)
[00:08] <HenrikLynggaard> Can someone help with dual head and ati card ? I got problems with both (fglrx and OSS ati) drivers
[00:09] <HenrikLynggaard> Open source ATI = many times the system start to hang... screen unresponsive but mouse can be moved
[00:09] <TheInfinity> all updates?
[00:09] <TheInfinity> and what says xorg log?
[00:09] <HenrikLynggaard> fglrx = small noise effect on screen like pint flashing dots around green text
[00:10]  * burner might be a kde guy in hardy ;)
[00:10] <TheInfinity> hardy kubuntu is no LTS
[00:10] <TheInfinity> because of lots of fun with kde4
[00:10] <HenrikLynggaard> log didn't say anything last time, I will try and hang the system again
[00:11] <HenrikLynggaard> anything == no error reports
[00:11] <TheInfinity> which graphics adapter?
[00:11] <flipstar> TheInfinity: do you have kde4 installed ?
[00:11] <HenrikLynggaard> The card is a ATi x800
[00:11] <TheInfinity> flipstar: yes, kde3 and 4
[00:12] <TheInfinity> HenrikLynggaard: you used restricted driver manager to install it?
[00:12] <TheInfinity> flipstar: i love vmware ... so i have almost everything for testing ;)
[00:12] <HenrikLynggaard> TheInfinity, yes... and then aticonfig to get the xorg.conf sorted out
[00:13] <flipstar> TheInfinity: me too.. i have a strange app here .. 'knotify4' it takes a lot of ram but doesnt do anything..can you confirm that ?
[00:13] <TheInfinity> lets see ...
[00:13] <flipstar> i thing it might have something to do with kde4 ..
[00:13] <TheInfinity> urgh.
[00:14] <TheInfinity> kde4 vm is downstairs on a usb disk
[00:14] <TheInfinity> if you dont use aticonfig ... ?
[00:15] <flipstar> no i got nvidia ..
[00:15] <HenrikLynggaard> TheInfinity: what is normally the preferred way of dual head'ing with ati ?
[00:15] <HenrikLynggaard> Well without aticonfig, I couldn't figure out howto setup xorg.conf
[00:15] <TheInfinity> HenrikLynggaard: i used xorg conf editing directly until now
[00:16] <TheInfinity> but  hate dual head with linux at all
[00:16] <TheInfinity> in osx i make 2 klicks and everything works :/
[00:16] <HenrikLynggaard> I tried the screen and graphics applet, but I failed with my monitor. It would send one of the screens a wrong res and then I had to hard kill the system
[00:17] <HenrikLynggaard> I think it sent the wrong freq to y new monitor... perhaps somehting with widescreen support
[01:22] <FliesLikeABrick> is anyone here using bluetooth with all of the latest updates?
[01:22] <FliesLikeABrick> the command `hidd` appears to have disappeared
[01:24] <Dr_willis> Sorry Not me.
[02:18] <WorldBFree> i have asked this question multiple times over the past week but havent gotten a response.  is there a way to boot hardy directly from my hd instead of burning to a disc.  I already have a working grub and am familiar with how to do it in other distros.  ive gotten close but the modules dont seem to load
[02:22] <alteregol> high
[02:22] <alteregol> the GanjATI driver doesn't work for my notebook
[02:23] <alteregol> its a 7200 Ati or whatever inside
[02:24] <Dr_willis> WorldBFree,  ive seen some weird and wacy ways to install ubuntu without a cd. But Never done any.
[02:24] <Dr_willis> I think the !install factoid has some of hte ways
[02:24] <Dr_willis> !install
[02:24] <ubotu> ntation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - Also /msg ubotu automate
[02:24] <Dr_willis> !automate
[02:24] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[04:36] <alteregol> hah
[04:42] <UbunLin> I'm having some graphics issues in Hardy Heron with the Radeon Mobility 9100IGP chipset. I've already put the Options "AGPMode" "4" in place in the xorg configuration, but that still gives graphic garbage on boot. Does anyone know of an additional fix or a bug that I might contribute to?
[04:47] <regulate> which dpkg bug is being fixed?
[05:39] <DanaG> Hmm, underrun!!! (at least 655.765 ms long)
[05:39] <DanaG> underrun!!! (at least 635.675 ms long)
[05:40] <DanaG> (command: aplay -Dplug:surround51:1 , on some file ripped from dvd-audio.)
[05:43] <DanaG> Odd... audigy can't do 24-bit?
[05:43] <DanaG> or rather, Audigy 2.
[05:45] <DanaG> Oh, I see... source file is S24_3LE.
[05:46] <DanaG> My onboard SIgmatel (hda_intel) is using s32le.
[05:46] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:46] <UbunLin> I'm having some graphics issues in Hardy Heron with the Radeon Mobility 9100IGP chipset. I've already put the Options "AGPMode" "4" in place in the xorg configuration, but that still gives graphic garbage on boot. Does anyone know of an additional fix or a bug that I might contribute to?
[05:49] <alteregol> think ther eis a bug in deskto background
[05:49] <alteregol> if you use CENTER it Zooms, and revert
[05:49] <alteregol> in gnome
[05:50] <DanaG> Odd... it seems like Audigy 2 really can't do 24-bit..... odd.
[05:57] <DanaG> Well, now I see why we need surround51 for audigy: the channel mapping is odd.
[06:02] <scizzo-> is anyone else having problems with the xine libs and playing videos?
[06:02] <scizzo-> when I play videos on any player at all it seems that some gamma coloring or simular is blue or such...?
[06:20] <shirish> hi all, does anybody what that project/idea is where one can pull updates from any machine which might have updates?
[06:21] <shirish> I know about apt-cacher-ng but that is for a dedicated machine
[06:21] <RAOF> shirish: You could look at apt-zeroconf, which is exactly what you want.
[06:21] <RAOF> As long as it works.
[06:21] <shirish> RAOF: hey :)
[06:21] <RAOF> Google will get you to the right place.
[06:22] <shirish> RAOF: yup, there is/was also some blueprint, where they could be some hash-key or something to verify the package integrity & stuff as well, any ideas?
[06:23] <DanaG> APt-zeroconfg just broke stuff for me.
[06:23] <RAOF> dpkg already has that built-in.
[06:23] <RAOF> DanaG: Yes.  It's quite fragile.
[06:23] <RAOF> But when it works, it's seamless.
[06:24] <DanaG> I wish there were a way to say somebody's name with out going all the way to 'pinging'.
[06:24] <shirish> RAOF: I will definitely investigate about apt-zeroconf (atleast the idea) & see if there are any parallel work/ideas around that. If you guys know about something similar as in efforts please lemme know.
[06:24] <DanaG> I still want that time-changing wallpaper that Fedora has.
[06:25] <shirish> DanaG: what is that time-changing wallpaper? Any links?
[06:25] <DanaG> Try the Fedora 8 LiveCD some time -- disable the screensaver, and leave the PC idle for a while.
[06:26] <DanaG> The wallpaper changes over time -- it fades between a few color schemes.
[06:26] <DanaG> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Fedora+8+Wallpaper?content=69684
[06:27] <DanaG> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for+Fedora?content=74639
[06:28] <shirish> DanaG: would look at it, thanx for the links.
[06:28] <DanaG> I can't find the actual patches it requires.
[06:29] <DanaG> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Final#head-0afce1582af5a054f81558f0e4148b3b6a445bbd
[06:29] <DanaG> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/artwork/infinity-24/
[06:31] <DanaG> It gives an effect that now Google has in their iGoogle thingy, with the time-changing banner.
[06:31] <DanaG> It's really nice.  I want to see that in Hardy.
[06:31] <ethana2> wow
[06:31] <DanaG> Or if it comes after release, as unofficial patches, that'd be fine.
[06:31] <ethana2> ff3b3 is fast
[06:34] <ethana2> still no SCIM
[06:34] <ethana2> arggghhhh
[06:59] <qzio> SCIM?
[07:05] <ethana2> oh
[07:05] <ethana2> yeah, it's for input in various non-latin languages
[07:05] <ethana2> standard across all gnome apps I think
[07:06] <ethana2> 59 on ACID3 by the way.. with no color and a failed linktest
[07:07] <DanaG> Acid3?  Never heard of it.
[07:07] <ethana2> http://acid3.acidtests.org/
[07:07] <Ayabara> anyone with a dell xps laptop here? I'm trying to make my mediakeys work on hardy
[07:07] <ethana2> It's a test for web standards compliance
[07:07] <DanaG> I've seen Acid2, but 3 is new.
[07:07] <ethana2> I have a Dell Latitude D830
[07:07] <ethana2> 3 is blazing new
[07:10] <Ayabara> ethana2: I got my XPS 1530 yesterday, and decided to try Hardy instead of Gutsy. The mediakeys and the gsynaptics-stuff I asked you about yesterday is what's not working so far
[07:10] <DanaG> My 3.0 gets 58 with adblock plus, 59 without.
[07:11] <ethana2> Ayabara: did they work in gutsy?
[07:11] <Assid> hrmm hardy's gotta do something about the way it sucks power
[07:11] <Ayabara> ethana2: don't know, since Hardy was the first thing I installed :-)
[07:11] <Ayabara> brand new like I said
[07:11] <ethana2> hmmm
[07:11] <Assid> my laptop used to give me pretty good life up until maybe alpha 4 or around then
[07:11] <DanaG> Actually, the battery reporting is probably what's broken, not the usage.
[07:12] <ethana2> Assid: ask phoronix to bench power consumption.
[07:12] <ethana2> ^_^
[07:12] <ethana2> There's no reason linux can't be the most environmentally friendly OS out there...
[07:12] <qzio> hm, a question about aptitude/apt/synaptic - why is it so that synaptic finds more packages then aptitude?
[07:12] <Assid> DanaG: nah..the system goes into standby/goes off. and also the batter LED goes red means i better charge it.
[07:12] <qzio> Ayabara: have you added the synaptics stuff in xorg.conf?
[07:13] <Assid> at times i dont even get enough notification to pull out the charger  .. and it still goes off
[07:13] <Ayabara> qzio: no, I was about to ask about that. installed gsynaptics yesterday, but never found out what I need to add in xorg.conf
[07:13] <DanaG> Anybody here use Asus notebooks?
[07:14] <qzio> Ayabara: i needed a extra inputdevice section for synaptics, and a sserverlayout section to point to synaptics
[07:14] <qzio> Ayabara: are you familiar with xorg.conf configuration?
[07:14] <Ayabara> qzio: a bit.
[07:15] <qzio> Ayabara: then you understand what im talking about?
[07:15] <Ayabara> qzio: yes. thanks
[07:15] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[07:15] <DanaG> Here's what I use.
[07:15] <DanaG> Takes keyboard and any USB device with evdev.
[07:15] <alteregol> sub error process at dpkg udpate
[07:15] <DanaG> Howver, evdev recently broke.
[07:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/183119
[07:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183119 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "[Hardy] Cannot open input pEvdev for keyboard (dup-of: 173833)" [Undecided,New]
[07:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:16] <Ayabara> qzio: I'm considering going back to gutsy for a while, to avoid the early bumps in the road on hardy :-)
[07:17] <Assid> err brb.. gotta run a windows update on my virtualbox
[07:17] <qzio> Ayabara: might be a good idea, altough it's not recommended to downgrade, you might have to do a re-install
[07:18] <Ayabara> qzio: I'm downloading the iso as we speak :-)
[07:19] <qzio> Ayabara: aiit :) otherwise, my simple xorg.conf is at http://gottfolk.se/xorg.conf.txt
[07:19] <alteregol> libwnk 404 not found
[07:19] <alteregol> what a crap
[08:52] <muszek> Opera 9.50 gets 64/100
[08:52] <nanonyme> with what?
[08:52] <muszek> lol... I  just realised I had the windows scrolled to a conversation that happened way back :)
[08:52] <muszek> http://acid3.acidtests.org/
[08:57] <aikishugyo> Hello, I'm a first-time Hardy user...also first-time IRC user. Debian for 7 years, Ubuntu (Dapper onwards) for 4. I'm trying to become involved in debugging Evolution calendar operations and joined the ubuntu-users ML. I hope someone here can help me to find the right place to send debug information too, and also if I should rather be on the GNOME IRC channels instead.
[08:58] <stdin> !bug | aikishugyo
[08:58] <ubotu> aikishugyo: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[08:59] <aikishugyo> ubotu: thanks, I'm looking at the launchpad as we speak. I'll do that then, not go to GNOME directly.
[09:03] <Assid> err.. usplash should determine xorg's resolution and show up
[09:04] <Assid> 1024x768 looks crappy on ym desktop.. but perfect on my laptio
[09:04] <Assid> laptop
[09:14] <Assid> err anyone here using thunderbird by chance?
[09:53] <ethana2> installing updates
[09:53] <ethana2> it doesn't like bluez
[09:54] <Zampaktu> same here
[09:55] <ethana2> of course, i don't even have a bluetooth adapter on this system..
[09:55] <ethana2> adapter doesn't seem like the right word.. you get the idea
[09:56] <ethana2> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/bluez-audio_3.26-0ubuntu1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_bluetooth.so', which is also in package bluez-utils
[09:57] <ethana2> You have 1 broken package on your system!  Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[09:57] <ethana2> ok fixed
[10:20] <Assid> !schedule
[10:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:20] <Assid> err..
[10:20] <Assid> !hardyrelease
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardyrelease - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:21] <Assid> cosindering  we are pretty close to a feature freeze
[10:21] <Assid> are we getting the right gnome version?
[10:23] <Assid> and anyone notice X acting really strange recently?
[10:24] <Assid> like i cant restart/shutdown.. i gotta restart X for me to do so
[11:03] <UbunLin> I am currently seeing some fairly odd graphics issues with Hardy and the 9100 IGP chipset. Are there any known problems that any of you are aware of?
[11:47] <Assid> err
[11:47] <Assid> i cant use my scanner
[11:48] <Assid> xsane says failed to open device
[11:48] <Assid> its busy
[11:49] <Assid> anyone having an issue with it?
[12:16] <shirish> hi all, does anybody if there is any software to edit .flac tags?
[12:16] <shirish> I got some .flac files (music) and I want to fill in some information.
[12:20] <shirish> basically the metadata, that is what I want to change.
[13:46] <bardyr> how come the linux-libc-dev package are updated before linux-image-generic?
[13:47] <rsk> lag in mirror mayb bardyr
[13:48] <bardyr> rsk, downloading from main
[13:49] <bardyr> rsk, the restricted modules are probably not ready, thats why linux-image-generic is not updated, but it does not make much sense updating the linux libc headers for a kernel you dont have
[13:49] <rsk> agreed
[13:49] <mateusz> How to install something from hardy for example kernel?
[13:49] <bardyr> mateusz, on gutsy?
[13:49] <mateusz> Can I add mirror and pin it on lower proiority
[13:49] <mateusz> bardyr: yes
[13:50] <bardyr> mateusz, well you can grab the individual packages and install it manual
[13:51] <mateusz> bardyr: I did but there are dependencies
[13:52] <bardyr> mateusz, grab them too
[13:52] <mateusz> I dont want to search for every one
[13:52] <mateusz> why?
[13:52] <mateusz> isnt it apt-get a tool that can do it for me?
[13:52] <bardyr> mateusz, imagine its rpm's
[13:52] <mateusz> hmm
[14:20] <mateusz> bardyr: how to upgrade to hardy ?
[14:21] <mateusz> bardyr: is it really so broken ?
[14:21] <rsk> bardyr: if you dont know. dont upgrade
[14:22] <mateusz> rsk: I worked 9 years on debian sid
[14:23] <mateusz> rsk: and this should be similiar.. but I am not sure
[14:23] <mateusz> and I don't know how much it is broken
[14:23] <rsk> worked?
[14:23] <rsk> there wes think-tank so long ago?
[14:24] <rsk> or what that project was called
[14:24] <rsk> to pay developers
[14:25] <mateusz> I am  confused with mirrors.. I am not sure if hardy does have any update sites etc...
[14:26] <rsk> you make no sense
[14:26] <mateusz> looks like that I will switch back to Deban
[14:26] <mateusz> packages that I use in gutsy are too old
[14:27] <rsk> why would you leave  working for debian for almost 10 years and then not figure out something that's easily avialiable on google and then 'go back '
[14:29] <mateusz> I dont understand what are you trying to say
[14:30] <sveri> what are you trying to say mateusz?
[14:30] <rsk> mein either
[14:30] <mateusz> sveri: I asked if hardy is so buggy that I should not upgrade
[14:30] <mateusz> and I would like to know what are mirrors for hardy
[14:30] <rsk> what is yo buggy for you?
[14:31] <rsk> to*
[14:31] <mateusz> rsk: buggy means no  working desktop
[14:31] <sveri> mateusz: for me it is not buggy, i am using it scince four days and it worked fantastic till now
[14:31] <sveri> at least kubuntu, i cant say anything about ubuntu, which is a bit more complicated i heard cause of the gvfs
[14:31] <mateusz> sveri: well sid sometimes had packages breaking whole system.. so livecd was needed
[14:32] <mateusz> I want to ensure that hardy is installable and usable
[14:32] <nanonyme> have you taken a look at the topic?
[14:32] <sveri> hehe, thats what i asked myself right now too
[14:33] <mateusz> nanonyme: no;]
[14:33] <mateusz> or I forgot about it
[14:33] <mateusz> ok I'll google it
[14:33] <nanonyme> dpkg being broken means low-level package management not currently working properly
[14:34] <sveri> here it works
[14:35] <nanonyme> properly as in properly in every way
[14:35] <nanonyme> breakages can be stuff user doesn't even notice at best
[14:37] <nanonyme> and i'd personally backport stuff i need to Gutsy if i just needed some new packages
[14:37] <nanonyme> as i do
[14:37] <sveri> ok, maybe its broken and it doesnt affect me right now
[14:37] <sveri> could be, but neednt be
[14:38] <nanonyme> using a pre-release version of an OS in production use is always a bit of a silly idea :)
[14:38] <sveri> *fg
[14:38] <nanonyme> better to backport
[14:44] <sveri> nanonyme: but its boring to use stable versions
[14:45] <nanonyme> :P
[14:45] <sveri> i like the risk of having an unusable system during my exams :D
[14:45] <nanonyme> that's because you don't want to read for the exams and want to make up excuses ;)
[14:46] <nanonyme> some people clean up, some fix broken computers
[14:46] <sveri> yea
[14:46] <nanonyme> some write AI's that take over the world
[14:46] <sveri> thats it
[14:46] <nanonyme> each to their own
[14:46] <sveri> hehe i prefer fixing up over writing AI
[15:02] <tretl1> who is in charge of rhythmbox and coherence packaging?
[15:05] <tretl1> !packaging
[15:05] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[15:22] <bardyr> Hey, i get Access denied with sftp in nautilus but it works fine in konquror, what can it be?
[15:24] <tretl1> nautilus is undergoing some huge code changes
[15:24] <tretl1> alot of things are broken right now
[15:24] <tretl1> will be fixed as soon as possible
[15:24] <bardyr> yea i know, its only affect one server
[15:24] <bardyr> but its*
[15:24] <bardyr> seems a little weird
[15:27] <tretl1> well is there s difference between the working servers and the not working server?
[15:27] <bardyr> the port
[15:28] <bardyr> but i get Access denied before it even tries to connect to it
[15:29] <tretl1> are the working ones port 21?
[15:30] <bardyr> yea
[15:30] <Assid> err
[15:30] <Assid> anyone here using amsn and has a webcam
[15:30] <Assid> i cant seem to see non windows users' webcam
[15:30] <tretl1> 21 is the standard ftp port which brings me to the conclusion that changing the port has been removed from it atm
[15:31] <tretl1> irc.gimp.net #nautilus
[15:31] <bardyr> tretl1, i even get it when using the normal port
[15:31] <tretl1> u can check there to see if its been reported or resolved in the latest versions
[15:32] <tretl1> does it try to connect while using the normal port?
[15:32] <bardyr> nope
[16:10] <Skweeker_duce> Hello everyone.
[16:15] <coz_> Skweeker_duce, oh boy they just dont know how to say hi do they ? :)  welcome
[16:16] <Skweeker_duce> I guess not!
[16:16] <coz_> :)
[16:17] <Skweeker_duce> I just upgraded my Hardy install. Getting XKB errors when I log in now, though I haven't noticed anything not working.
[16:25] <coz_> Skweeker,  well it is alpha still
[16:25] <coz_> Skweeker, but so far things seem to be working fairly well
[16:25] <Skweeker> I know :)
[16:26] <Skweeker> coz_, running it on 3 systems here. No problems so far.
[16:27] <coz_> Skweeker, yeah ,,, I like so far myself :)  as long as what is working now continues to work after release :)
[16:28] <Skweeker> coz_, aside from this laptop I'm on (MacBook Pro) the other two machines are pretty old. Don't think I'll have any problems with them as they're sort of tried and true
[16:28] <coz_> Skweeker, right understood... as long as it works  :)
[16:30] <Skweeker> coz_, Do you know if XKB controls keyboard LEDs?
[16:30] <coz_> Skweeker, sorry I dont
[16:31] <Skweeker> coz_, I just noticed my capslock LED doesn't come on when it is active. Though I don't know if it did previously under Ubuntu or not. Same goes for the num lock LED.
[16:32] <coz_> Skweeker, mm on the keyboard itself?
[16:33] <coz_> Skweeker, I doubt it has to do with ubuntu  more likely the leds on the keyboard.... does this keyboard need a driver????
[16:35] <Skweeker> coz_, seems like it's been a problem in previous versions of Ubuntu, also. I believe the keyboard is to use XKB as the driver..
[16:36] <coz_> Skweeker, oh!! mm you may want to google this issue since I wouldnt know the solution for that sorry
[16:36] <mohbana> 1.  can someone please tell me if the live cd has an option of where to install grub? 2. where can i find the log for the last boot attempt?
[16:37] <Skweeker> coz_, looks like it's conflict with mouseemu, which provides emulation for right/middle clicking. Apparently it breaks the capslock LEDs
[16:37] <coz_> Skweeker, oh! ok
[16:38] <Skweeker> mohbana, I believe the grub installation options are easier accessed using an alternative CD. The live CD more or less installs non-interactively.
[16:39] <Skweeker> mohbana, though I haven't tried changing grub install options from the live cd's installer. It may have an option burried somewhere but I have never seen it.
[16:40] <Skweeker> coz_, Just uninstalled mouseemu, and sure enough... the LEDs work.
[16:41] <Skweeker> I suppose "removed" would be the proper term..
[16:41] <coz_> Skweeker, whoa cool  you solved it :)
[16:41] <Skweeker> coz_, Yeah, but now I need to get another method of right clicking working :)
[16:43] <coz_> Skweeker,  what do you mean?
[16:44] <slytherin> Has anyone mnaged to get grub2 working on any powerpc machine?
[16:44] <Skweeker> coz_, Mac trackpads only have one button. In Mac OS X, right-clicking is accomplished by holding control, and clicking. Or on newer machines, holding two fingers on the pad, and clicking (by default, anyway)
[16:45] <coz_> Skweeker, oh!!!!   mm then I would have absolutely no clue as to the solution for that one :)
[16:45] <slytherin> coz_: What is problem?
[16:46] <coz_> slytherin, not sure guy sorry
[16:46] <coz_> guys I have to break here  lunch time    yummm
[16:47] <slytherin> Skweeker: Are you looking for making the right click work in Ubuntu?
[16:47] <Skweeker> Yes.
[16:47] <Skweeker> slytherin, I've removed mouseemu, as it makes the keyboard LEDs for caps/num lock not work
[16:48] <Skweeker> slytherin, so now I'm looking for a new method to use on my MacBook Pro. I'd prefer holding two fingers on the trackpad and clicking, but I'm not sure how to do that just yet.
[16:48] <slytherin> Skweeker: I have two solutions for that on my ibook. One is that my 'Eject' button (F12) works as right click by default and second is I have made the 'Enter' button on right side of spacebar to work as right click
[16:49] <Skweeker> slytherin, enter would work, I suppose.
[16:49] <Skweeker> slytherin, my F12 key isn't doing right-click now that I've removed mouseemu
[16:51] <slytherin> Skweeker: I don't remember exact option right now for 'Enter' key, but you should look into System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout -> Layout Options -> Alt/Win key behaviour.
[16:54] <Skweeker> slytherin, when I do that, I get errors that XKB wasn't able to load the config.. But I'll see if that works.
[16:54] <Skweeker> Be Right Back
[17:04] <corbykri> slytherin, are you still around?
[17:08] <soc> hi
[17:08] <soc> the touchpad is pretty f****** up currently :-)
[17:08] <Skweeker> soc, what's going on with yours?
[17:09] <soc> either it doesn't respond at all or it jumps right to the other side ...
[17:10] <soc> moving the pointer is pretty difficult :-)
[17:10] <Tuv0k> bug #191471
[17:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191471 in clock-setup "Set System Time crashes Time Settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191471
[17:10] <Skweeker> soc, what kind of laptop?
[17:10] <soc> dell inspiron 6400
[17:10] <Skweeker> soc, hmm don't know anything about those
[17:12] <soc> i assume the mouse acceleration has been changed to totally horrible values
[17:12] <soc> but corg.conf looks ok ...
[17:13] <Skweeker> soc, I think there is a different config for the trackpad that overrides what xorg.conf has, but don't quote me on that.
[17:13] <soc> mh ok
[17:14] <soc> gnome-settings-manager doens't work anyymore too
[17:14] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[17:15] <DanaG> I enable SHMConfig and then install gsynaptics.
[17:15] <soc> segfaults after some screensaver things in debug
[17:15] <soc> DanaG: do you mean me?
[17:16] <DanaG> For touchpad, yes.  I haven't had any odd acceleration, but the 'gsynaptics' thingy will let you control sensitivity.
[17:17] <soc> mhh ok
[17:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I have to go out to school now; I'll be back some time later.
[17:17] <soc> i'll try that if it doesn't get fixed i a few days ...
[17:17] <soc> thanks!
[17:17] <slytherin> Skweeker: pong
[17:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the RightEdge thingy is for setting where the vscroll zone starts -- you can tweak it by using snyclient in console, and then once you find a value that works, put it in xorg.conf.
[17:18] <DanaG> (that reminds me..... I should put comments on my config entries to tell what they do.)
[17:18] <soc> does someone experience gnome-settings-deamon crashing?
[17:18] <DanaG> Anyway, bye for now.
[17:18] <tretl1> having problems when i try to ./autogen.sh an svn trunk
[17:19] <tretl1> says im missing gnome-vfs-2.0
[17:19] <tretl1> can anyone help me out
[17:20] <Skweeker> soc, I have not.
[17:20] <slytherin> Skweeker: is the right click working?
[17:20] <Skweeker> tretl1, perhaps you need to install gnome-vfs-2.0?
[17:20] <Skweeker> slytherin, negative.
[17:20] <Skweeker> slytherin, what keyboard layout are you using?
[17:20] <slytherin> Skweeker: which option did you change?
[17:21] <slytherin> Skweeker: I am using Apple Laptop
[17:21] <tretl1> skweeker : where can I get it
[17:21] <Skweeker> tretl1, maybe you can install it using Ubutnu's repositories?
[17:21] <Skweeker> slytherin, I just selected "Apple Laptop". No dice.
[17:22] <soc> omg ... these "unlocking" buttons appearing almost everywhere now in gnome are the worst thing i ever saw ...
[17:22] <slytherin> Skweeker: And which option did you change?
[17:22] <Skweeker> slytherin, I didn't change any options.
[17:22] <slytherin> Skweeker: I will let you know tomorrow what I changed exactly.
[17:22] <eddieftw> hey all, im trying to get my graphical output to work, when I do function+f3 it doesn't do anything, when I go to system settings in my kmenu, it complains about libpython2.5so not found in paths. sudo apt-get install didn't do it, and neither does ldconfig...
[17:23] <Skweeker> slytherin, what option am I supposed to change, and what is a "third level chooser"?
[17:23] <eddieftw> output to a projector i sohuld say
[17:23] <slytherin> Skweeker: I think third level choose is for international keyboards, for keys with accent. but I am not sure
[17:24] <Skweeker> slytherin, alright.
[17:24] <tretl1> it looks like its installed?
[17:24] <slytherin> tretl1: you need to install header files (-dev packages)
[17:25] <tretl1> slytherin thanks I'll try and find em
[17:28] <bobjink> may i ask a question
[17:28] <bobjink> it may be a little off topic
[17:28] <eddieftw> !ask
[17:28] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:32] <Skweeker> mohbana, did you get grub installed alright?
[17:34] <mohbana> Skweeker, nope i haven't tried it yet i don't want to take the risk of putting the live cd until i have further confirmation, you can look at this post if you like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=695699
[17:34] <tretl1> right
[17:34] <tretl1> now its telling me that configure: error: totem playlist parsing library not found or too old
[17:34] <mohbana> fedora basically kinda ruined things for me or i did
[17:34] <Skiessi> why hardy's linux kernel hasn't been upgraded to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:35] <slytherin> tretl1: again, header files for that too, search plparser in synaptic
[17:35] <Skiessi> :P or <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:35] <slytherin> Skiessi: what are you talking about? This is the version on my machine currently - linux-image-2.6.24-7-generic
[17:36] <Skiessi> 2.6.24-7 is newer that <IP_ADDRESS>? or <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:36] <tretl1> lol, there should be an option to automatically download and install the dev files
[17:36] <soc> the package name doesn't count up with kenrel's bugfix releases
[17:36] <Skiessi> *than
[17:37] <soc> -7 is the 7th package uploaded to the servers
[17:37] <Skiessi> !info linux-image-2.6.24-7-generic
[17:37] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-7-generic (source: linux): Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-7.12 (hardy), package size 19421 kB, installed size 66792 kB
[17:37] <slytherin> Skiessi: Sorry, looks like no one wants to risk an upgrade this close to Feature Freeze
[17:37] <Skiessi> see?
[17:38] <Skiessi> slytherin, ok that's good enough
[17:38] <slytherin> Skiessi: May be it will land after FF.
[17:45] <mohbana> can someone confirm if the live cd has an option of where to install grub?
[17:48] <kalpik> mohbana, yes, AFAIK it has that option
[17:51] <tretl1> how do i make install to a specific directory?
[17:57] <Skweeker> mohbana, You could try the live CD and see..
[18:06] <Assid> err anyone here  using amsn
[18:07] <Assid> i cant seem to webcam with other amsn users when they are on a mac
[18:07] <BUGabundo> hey there!!
[18:07] <Assid> havent tried with  linux users.. but def. doesnt work with mac guys
[19:36] <regulate> any progress on dpkg ?
[19:42] <PriceChild> cs t  Current breakage (being fixed): dpkg | Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" and various breakage | dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy in #ubuntu | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependencies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY | Help test 6.06 -> 8.04 upgrade: https:/
[19:42] <PriceChild> /wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto
[19:43]  * PriceChild wonders whether anyone saw
[20:24] <Stevethepirate> Um, haai.
[20:24] <Stevethepirate> Everytime I open up nautulis my PC hangs.. After pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, and like.. 30 seconds. it restarts X
[20:25] <Stevethepirate> I do get an error on startup, "Can't open file file://usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml
[20:25] <regulate> hint: dont use nautilus
[20:25] <Stevethepirate> but not sure if that has anything to do with it.
[20:26] <Stevethepirate> regulate: Sigh. I'd rather fix this problem, then just switch to Konqueror.
[20:27] <Stevethepirate> Like, 1 of nautulis's windows pops up
[20:27] <Stevethepirate> after start up
[20:27] <Stevethepirate> since it was opened in the past
[20:27] <Stevethepirate> doesn't go away.
[20:48] <regulate> Stevethepirate: remove it from your session
[20:51] <Stevethepirate> regulate: ...
[20:51] <Stevethepirate> I think i've fixed it.
[20:51] <Stevethepirate> Need to restart x-quick
[21:17] <phasefield>
[21:17] <selckin>
[21:17] <bardyr>
[21:18] <phasefield>
[21:42] <ffm> how unstable is hardy>?
[21:43] <bardyr> very
[21:43] <bardyr> i had a crash 2 weeks ago!
[21:43] <ffm> bardyr: lol.
[21:43] <ffm> bardyr: ubuntu has me spoiled. I'm not used to crashes.
[21:45] <ffm> bardyr: was this a full-system crash?
[21:45] <bardyr> ffm, actually it was a freeze and had to do a hard reboot
[21:50] <mohbana> hi everyone, i having major problems with acpi, i had to use this for the kernel and in safe graphic mode for the live cd to boot propely 'quiet nosplash -- acpi=off', i noted that during my whole live session the mouse and keyboard (both usb based) where exteremly slow and the network card (LAN) wasn't even working.  I used the 64bit cd and i have a 8800 gts 512.  any sort of help would be great
[21:54] <ffm> bardyr: so, should I wait for alpha 5, beta, or final? I'm supposed to be working on docs, and I want to help find bugs.
[21:55] <bardyr> ffm, well it runs pretty smooth for most people, there are some nautilus/gvfs problems but not that many
[21:56] <bardyr> i would just jump on it or wait for alpha5
[21:56] <ffm> bardyr: I'm running 32 bit on a 64 bit system. Would now be the time to go 64 bit, and how hard would it be?
[21:56] <bardyr> feature freeze is tomorrow so alpha5 should be pretty stable
[21:57] <bardyr> ffm, depends on your hardware but it should be pretty easy nowadays
[21:57] <ffm> bardyr: would I have to reinstall, or is there a simple "convert all binaries to 64" command?
[21:58] <bardyr> i think you need to reinstall
[21:58] <bardyr> you should be able to change the apt source list to 64bit, but i think the best option would be a fresh install
[22:04] <sveri> ffm: i installed 64bit on saturday, and it works great, as works hardy great :-)
[22:04] <sveri> ffm: i had to setup a 32 bit chroot, it worked too without big problems
[22:14] <Assid> dammit
[22:14] <Assid> i wish my webcam worked :(
[22:15] <michaelfavia> anyone else haing bluetooth trouble after todfays update? hidd seems to be missing form bluez-utils.
[22:15] <michaelfavia> how am i supposed ot connect bt devices , new binary or just a bug?
[22:25] <Assid> just wait till all the repositoriies are updated
[22:34] <ffm> Assid: be glad it ever worked. My brand new (5 months ago) does not work anywhere.
[22:35] <Assid> works on windows.. not on linux
[22:35] <Assid> i hate driver issues
[22:53] <Stevethepirate> Sigh.. my wireless network isn't being picked up.. any help?
[22:54] <Stevethepirate> Sigh.. my wireless network isn't being picked up.. any help?
[23:03] <smallfoot-> i ran update today, and i think it broke something, i cant select "custom" desktop effect
[23:03] <smallfoot-> only "none", "some", "extra"
[23:03] <smallfoot-> the custom is gone
[23:04] <pygi> hello
[23:04] <pygi> will somebody explain me why seahorse doesnt support ssh keys anymore? :p
[23:04] <michaelfavia> smallfoot-, do you have the compiz manager installed?
[23:04] <smallfoot-> yeah
[23:04] <smallfoot-> and the advanced desktop manager enabled too
[23:05] <smallfoot-> then when i updated, its the 4'th option in Appearance is gone
[23:05] <michaelfavia> understood.
[23:05] <smallfoot-> also when i choose background, they're all solid brown in the background chooser dialog, but when i click on them, the desktop changes to the real background
[23:07] <pygi> ssh keys support is broken *again* :p
[23:25] <michaelfavia> pygi, new ssh updates in stream ... check changelogs
[23:26] <michaelfavia> server, client and askpass
[23:26] <pygi> michaelfavia, yea, will do ... it's just broken as usual :P
[23:26] <michaelfavia> pygi, im having trouble with bt so i understand the pain... hidd binary has gone missing..
[23:26] <michaelfavia> pygi, you use bt on your system?
[23:27] <michaelfavia> bluetooth
[23:27] <michaelfavia> not bottorrent
[23:27] <michaelfavia> s/o/i
[23:27] <pygi> michaelfavia, not really, what's broken with it? :)
[23:27] <michaelfavia> the hidd binary is missing.
[23:27] <michaelfavia> and i cant tell if it is an intentional change ort not.
[23:27] <michaelfavia> i assume not
[23:27] <pygi> right, I could have read that above as well :)
[23:27] <Jordan_U> Is the fact that sounds stop playing when switching to another tty other than X an intended feature?
[23:28] <michaelfavia> hidd is the binary used to attach human input devices
[23:28] <michaelfavia> Jordan_U, unknown here.
[23:28] <pygi> well, alpha is generally broken, but it's more stable for me then gutsy :P
[23:28] <pygi> so I'll stay here :)
[23:28] <pygi> hopefully seahorse gets fixed soon, or I'll just submit a debdiff
[23:33] <coz_> so what happened  to hardy :)
[23:34] <michaelfavia> coz_, ?
[23:34] <coz_> michaelfavia, i am one of three people who were not able to boot into hardy after the last update this evening :)
[23:34] <michaelfavia> ;(
[23:35] <michaelfavia> is there a bug report? or a description of the issue?
[23:35] <coz_> michaelfavia, not sure just know that it is broken as of this evening  so far  but am   going to try to install again "without" shutting    down or rebooting :)


[00:04] <emorris> #join #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[00:04] <emorris> woops
[04:23] <AbhiJit> hello
[07:01] <mistrynitesh> i am trying to fix bug 638258 in kubuntu-docs, which is specific to maverick
[07:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 638258 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Error in kubuntu-docs-netbook (maverick), string #14 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/638258
[07:03] <micahg> mistrynitesh: might want to ask in #kubuntu-dev
[07:03] <mistrynitesh> now that the maverick is already branched, if I want to patch it, I shouldn't I first do 'bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs/maverick' and make changes, or the latest branch will do?
[07:03] <mistrynitesh> micahg: ok
[07:25] <innerand> Hello, i would'like to report a bug in swap. But ubuntu-bug says that swap and linux-util-ng are no packages. Does anybody know which package to report?
[07:30] <persia> What kind of bug?
[07:33] <innerand> The Problem: If i make swapon i have 100% cpu load and 2GB data is written to the swap partition (its a ssd)
[07:33] <innerand> and there is no reason to swap (80% free ram, swappiness is 10)
[07:34] <persia> Ah, ok.  file the bug against `linux`
[07:34] <innerand> Ok, thank you
[14:17] <AlanBell> how do I find out who should review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/dasher/bugfix-lp-579181/+merge/37528
[14:20] <persia> !sponsoring
[14:20] <ubot2> Factoid 'sponsoring' not found
[14:20] <persia> !sponsor
[14:20] <ubot2> Factoid 'sponsor' not found
[14:20] <persia> Grrrr
[14:20] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[14:22] <persia> AlanBell, I'm sorry.  I've no idea, and can't figure it out from the current documentation.
[14:23] <persia> Maybe ask in #ubuntu-motu
[14:23] <AlanBell> thanks
[15:54] <vish> pedro_¦ heya, script gone crazy? Bug 543042 , its re-opening invalid bugs :(
[15:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 543042 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "pressing CANCEL in policykit super user "mount dialog" shows silly error message (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543042
[15:54] <pedro_> vish, looks like it :-P
[15:55] <pedro_> vish, thanks, closed that task and set to incomplete the other
[15:55] <vish> pedro_¦ why is it checking upstream task though.. PPC has no ubuntu tasks
[15:55] <pedro_> vish, I'm wondering the same
[15:55] <vish> Bug 392043 , Bug 387836 also similar
[15:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 392043 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Drop a selection on a hidden window (Nautilus, gedit, Firefox, Thunderbird, anything) is not possible (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392043
[15:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 387836 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Nautilus won't accept a newly-mounted disk as a drop target until it has been viewed (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387836
[15:56] <pedro_> vish, changed those as well
[15:56] <pedro_> vish, thought it looked at the ubuntu tasks first but looks like it doesn't
[15:56] <pedro_> vish, i blame lp
[15:56] <vish> pedro_¦ thx, me too.. :)
[17:18] <xelister> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/595055
[17:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595055 in kdeutils (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "kgpg generates signing only key (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,In progress]
[17:18] <xelister> which what versions I should test?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> maverick 10.10 if possible
[17:35] <persia> Um, I think 595055 needs to be tested against lucid, rather than anything newer: it claims to be fixed in newer releases.
[17:36] <AbhiJit> bug 595055
[17:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595055 in kdeutils (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "kgpg generates signing only key (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595055
[17:37] <AbhiJit> its kde bug'
[17:37] <AbhiJit> i mean kubuntu not ubuntu
[18:06] <thekorn> hey, can someone please review a small bugpattern I wrote:
[18:06] <thekorn> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thekorn/apport/telepathy-bugpattern-628748/+merge/38570
[18:09] <devildante> thekorn: what are bugpatterns?
[18:09] <thekorn> devildante: they are used by apport to identify duplicates
[18:10] <xelister> charlie-tca: Im on lucid-proposed, how can I fix if the avbove bug #595055 is fixed?
[18:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595055 in kdeutils (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "kgpg generates signing only key (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595055
[18:10] <devildante> thekorn: great, thanks for the insight :)
[18:10] <thekorn> *before* the bug is actually submitted to launchpad
[18:10] <charlie-tca> If it is proposed, it is not yet fixed.
[18:11] <charlie-tca> then, inprogress is correct status
[18:11] <charlie-tca> It will go to fix released when the fix is accepted into Kubuntu. Until then, it is not fixed
[18:12] <charlie-tca> If the fix is in proposed, it will get tested, then applied through a normal update
[18:39] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[18:59] <njin> hello to all, could someaone triage this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slide-webdavclient/+bug/651004 Thanks
[18:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 651004 in slide-webdavclient (Ubuntu) "webDAV corruption on Lucid: Lightning calendar not available (affects: 1) (heat: 282)" [Undecided,New]
[19:00] <charlie-tca> I agree that Lightning was not available. It should affect more than just webDAV, though, shouldn't it?
[19:03] <charlie-tca> What are we doing to that report?
[19:04] <charlie-tca> It looks intermittent?
[19:04] <njin> charlie-tca: hello, sorry but I don't know anythings about server
[19:04] <charlie-tca> hggdh: can you look at that bug?
[19:09] <hggdh> charlie-tca, looking
[19:10] <charlie-tca> it looks painful, to me
[19:14] <hggdh> yeah, it does. It would be interesting to have the Apache/WebDAV logs for it. I very much do not trust firefly bugs (appears, disappears, everything else being the same)
[19:22] <charlie-tca> njin: are you taking of it?
[19:24] <njin> charlie-tca: sorry I don't understand
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Marking the bug incomplete and reqesting the logs
[19:25] <charlie-tca> hggdh says we need to get the apache/WebDAV logs
[19:26] <njin> charlie-tca: ah ok, i require to reporter,thanks
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Thank You for you helping
[19:37] <njin> can someone triage this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/634211
[19:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634211 in linux (Ubuntu) "/dev/dsp* disappeared after upgrade Lucid=>Maverick (affects: 11) (heat: 56)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:38] <njin> pedro_: hello :-) big mentor when i can triage too ?
[19:39] <pedro_> njin, hello
[19:39] <pedro_> njin, i don't understand the question, may you rephrase it?
[19:39] <njin> pedro_: when i can set the importance of a bug
[19:40] <pedro_> njin, you need to join the Ubuntu Bug Control team if you want to do that
[19:40] <pedro_> njin, but i think you're not ready for it yet
[19:40] <njin> pedro_: ok, thanks
[19:53] <njin> pedro_: can you take a look  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/661382 thanks
[19:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661382 in ubuntu "Maverick Source DVD is missing many packages (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:01] <njin> can someone take a look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/661294
[20:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 661294 in ubuntu "System lock-up when receiving large files (big data amount) from NFS server (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:30] <reaby> I'm not assuming that you guys have time to test this out... I'll test it myself in virtualbox after holidays, now i want to use the OS :)
[20:30] <reaby> but
[20:31] <reaby> if one selects at start of install that mp3 and updates should install.. when the ubiquity is downloading (and installing) you disconnect eth0 from network-manager
[20:31] <reaby> what i found out, is that the installer will boot and leave uninstalled grub etc to system
[20:33] <reaby> i'm not sure if i pressed also skip button...
[20:42] <reaby> eh.. I've done myself a totally clown here.. looks like, it was simply a bios misconfiguration for bootable hd.
[20:42] <njin> this sounds interesting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/660921
[20:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660921 in ubuntu "could not paste w/ fixedwidth on lucid & maverick spreadsheet (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:43] <reaby> sorry, over and out
[20:57] <njin> and this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/660808
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660808 in ubuntu " Warning: The options -p/-P are deprecated, please do not use them. See /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug --help (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:59] <devildante> njin: tell the reporter to precise what's his problem
[21:00] <charlie-tca> and why did he use the -p ?
[21:00] <devildante> idk
[21:00] <devildante> it's not even in the new ReportingBugs page
[21:00] <charlie-tca> njin: We need to know why he even used ubuntu-bug -p ?
[21:01] <njin> ojk
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Is that a report about ubuntu-bug or an audio issue?
[21:03] <devildante> charlie-tca: I think he wanted to report an audio bug
[21:03] <charlie-tca> heh, Then the summary is wrong, too
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I would guess that the ubuntu-bug -p is in a debugging/troubleshooting page
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Even standard responses gives the -p
[21:17] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Debugging%20Sound%20Problems
[21:18] <devildante> charlie-tca: want me to clean it?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> sure, if you have time
[21:20] <charlie-tca> I suspect the debugging procedure will have the same thing
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Otherwise, I will do it later
[21:22] <devildante> charlie-tca: do you think the "on Jaunty and later, do blablabla" bit is needed anymore?
[21:27] <charlie-tca> change to Karmic? since Hardy is still valid for another year
[21:27] <devildante> okay
[21:29] <charlie-tca> It gives that warning and then goes on to file the bug report for you.


[07:40] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Is there anything i should be doing while we wait for new gtk?
[07:41] <darkxst> Noskcaj, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/packaging-vv-roadmap
[07:42] <darkxst> but yeh nearly everything is blocked on gtk
[11:15] <eliasps> Any admin of the Ubuntu GNOME's facebook page here? There is a spam answer to the latest post, which I think needs to be deleted.
[11:16] <amjjawad> eliasps, which post?
[11:17] <amjjawad> eliasps, user banned ;)
[11:17] <eliasps> Hey Ali. Good :)
[11:17] <amjjawad> eliasps, ;)
[11:17] <amjjawad> they have no chance with me
[11:18] <eliasps> Yeah, I deal with spammers all the time on social media. Blocking is the only affective solution
[11:19] <amjjawad> eliasps, yes
[11:20] <amjjawad> you're part of the marketing now, correct?
[11:20] <eliasps> Yes
[11:21] <amjjawad> I may need you to be in charge on the social media
[11:22] <amjjawad> In fact, all the marketing dept should
[11:22] <amjjawad> let's make the announcement first ;) you guys have new TL
[11:22] <amjjawad> and we need acting TL as well
[11:22] <amjjawad> I explained that on my long email
[11:24] <eliasps> No problem on that. I can handle it. If that changes somehow I'll make sure to inform you and the team members so there will always be an active administrator.
[11:25] <amjjawad> it is not the spam I am worried about
[11:25] <amjjawad> for a year and a half, spam and spammers really few
[11:25] <amjjawad> we need general information and general chat between us as the team and the users
[11:26] <amjjawad> all our recruitments are based on the social media
[11:26] <eliasps> From my experience the key to social media administration is to keep posting the news and developments of the community. Ubuntu GNOME's priority and Ubuntu General as well, because it affects all the systems.
[11:26] <amjjawad> I do my best to keep these channels active but I am always hungry for more
[11:26] <eliasps> Plus, user interaction is vital
[11:26] <eliasps> Exactly
[11:26] <amjjawad> this is what I do for one year and a half :)
[11:27] <amjjawad> but it is draining all my energy and time because I am the only one who is doing that
[11:27] <amjjawad> Alferdo is helping every now and then but that is not enough
[11:27] <amjjawad> we need more
[11:27] <amjjawad> the whole team must be in charge
[11:27] <eliasps> I can see how that can be exhausting.
[11:28] <amjjawad> I take care of the official announcement while you guys can handle the general stuff
[11:28] <amjjawad> not to mention, I have so many pages to handle on different places
[11:28] <amjjawad> each project has 3 channels
[11:28] <amjjawad> ToriOS, StartUbuntu, UG, etc
[11:28] <amjjawad> x 3
[11:28] <amjjawad> that is a huge burden
[11:28] <eliasps> Lots of work. I understand
[11:28] <mjayk> Afternoon all
[11:28] <amjjawad> and this is just ONE area ... did I mention there are 5 other areas only with UG?
[11:28] <amjjawad> yep
[11:29] <eliasps> Yes, if not all of them, the majority of the marketing team should be able to administrate the social media
[11:29] <amjjawad> that's the plan this cycle
[11:29] <eliasps> I administrate Ubuntu-gr LoCo social media. But there are a few other contributors with me, really active. And the media works perfect that way
[11:29] <amjjawad> mjayk, hi :)
[11:29] <eliasps> Hi mjayk
[11:31] <mjayk> Was just about to email the mailing list seen as this seams to be active ill dump it here too where would I be of most use to help out for ubuntu gnome as I've used both for years
[11:33] <eliasps> mjayk if you want to help Ubuntu GNOME, it would be best to do it in a way that you enjoy. It would be as productive for you as for Ubuntu GNOME :)
[11:34] <eliasps> For instance, if you are interested in testing, you should do that, or user support, or anything you like.
[11:34] <eliasps> Contributing to Linux should be fun and interesting!
[11:35] <eliasps> But yeah, It would be good to ask any questions to the mailing list as well, to get more opinions!
[11:35] <mjayk> Sounds good
[11:36] <amjjawad> mjayk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved
[11:38] <mjayk> good link i had a browse of that last night
[11:45] <amjjawad> mjayk, take your time
[11:45] <amjjawad> we're not going anywhere :D
[11:46] <amjjawad> and here is a breaking news
[11:46] <mjayk> i hope not ;)
[11:46] <amjjawad> Ubuntu GNOME is the best community ever :D
[11:46] <mjayk> Ive run gnome on my own with ubuntu for ages but just recently used the actual gnome-ubuntu iso for 14.04
[11:46] <mjayk> figured i should have done that a while a go
[11:47] <amjjawad> mjayk, community wise, and system wise, we are the best :D
[11:47] <amjjawad> okay, let's be humble
[11:47] <amjjawad> one of the best :D
[11:48] <mjayk> :)
[11:48] <amjjawad> mjayk, are you Matthew?
[11:48] <eliasps_> Frustrating thing here, when the weather get windy, the throubles with the internet begin :P
[11:48] <mjayk> I am indeed oO
[11:49] <amjjawad> eliasps, sorry to know that
[11:49] <amjjawad> mjayk, I am afraid I can not approve your request
[11:49] <amjjawad> yes, I am one of the main leaders of his project
[11:49] <amjjawad> yet, I am not a developer :)
[11:49] <mjayk> oh for the packaging team ?
[11:49] <amjjawad> darkxst, needs to approve that request of yours
[11:49] <amjjawad> yep
[11:49] <amjjawad> darkxst, is the head of devs
[11:50] <amjjawad> I am the community leader
[11:50] <amjjawad> I handle everything except codes and artwork :)
[11:50] <mjayk> cool whilst im not an IT person I do the packaging for our debain lab servers so ive done that before figured it would be a good place to sstart
[11:51] <amjjawad> mjayk, I have an idea
[11:51] <amjjawad> beside that, what other skills do you have?
[11:51] <mjayk> I have all the skills ;)
[11:51] <mjayk> im a physicist erm i do modelling have a good grasp of most internety things
[11:52] <mjayk> amjjawad: thats a hard question to answer lol
[11:52] <amjjawad> I meant
[11:52] <amjjawad> we have 9 different areas
[11:53] <amjjawad> check our sub-teams please
[11:53] <mjayk> ah yes i looked at them
[11:53] <mjayk> I figured the packaging was a good place to start as I had exp. Otherwise the ones that interest me are Documentation, Communications and probably testing :)
[11:54] <amjjawad> we need testers
[11:54] <amjjawad> we need people in marketing
[11:55] <amjjawad> how good are you when it comes to dealing with people?
[11:56] <mjayk> I like to think im good with people
[11:56] <amjjawad> is that yes or no?
[11:56] <mjayk> its a yes :)
[11:56] <amjjawad> okay
[11:57] <amjjawad> let's start with testing and marketing?
[11:57] <amjjawad> how about that?
[11:57] <mjayk> that sounds good to me be more than happy
[11:57] <amjjawad> there is a process you need to follow which is on the page I sent you. That page has several links and each link is a must-read
[11:57] <amjjawad> take a free advice from someone who has been around for 4 years doing tons of things at the same time and burned out 10000 times :D
[11:58] <mjayk> Yes im currently making my way through them
[11:58] <amjjawad> be involved with 1 or 2 areas only
[11:58] <amjjawad> learn how to walk, then start running after that
[11:58] <amjjawad> the period of time that you will need is all depending on you
[11:58] <amjjawad> I joined Ubuntu GNOME in July 2013 as a QA leader
[11:58] <amjjawad> in a month, I became a team leader of 5 different sub-teams
[11:59] <amjjawad> it is all depending on how fast you learn and apply
[11:59] <mjayk> So im just having a look at the communications team page
[11:59] <amjjawad> take your itme
[11:59] <amjjawad> time
[11:59] <amjjawad> I must update that page
[11:59] <amjjawad> maybe the new team leader will do that :D
[11:59] <amjjawad> as I am stepping down from that sub-team and keep low profile
[12:00] <amjjawad> eliasps, how about to fill a role?
[12:00] <eliasps> ;)
[12:00] <amjjawad> eliasps, testier + acting team leader?
[12:00] <amjjawad> the marketing sub-team needs lots of love
[12:01] <eliasps> Like I said, I'm willing to contribute to the team any way I can, so yeah
[12:01] <amjjawad> perfect
[12:02] <amjjawad> how much people in Greece love Linux and into Linux?
[12:02] <eliasps> Not too many, but those who do are very committed. There is a tremendous amount of work that gets done in Greek Linux communities
[12:03] <eliasps> That's what inspired me in the first place
[12:03] <amjjawad> amazing
[12:03] <amjjawad> so, in your opinion, how many we can invite to join us?
[12:03] <amjjawad> we need more manpower
[12:04] <eliasps> I check for that and I'll inform you. diamond_gr is already on board. Most of the community members are dealing with user support on our forums and media
[12:05] <amjjawad> I just have a feeling that you guys can do wonders
[12:05] <amjjawad> the speed you guys translated our pages was impressive
[12:05] <eliasps> Unfortunately not everyone is familiar with the wiki syntax
[12:05] <amjjawad> with the same speed, if we managed to spread the word of Ubuntu GNOME
[12:06] <amjjawad> that would be amazing
[12:06] <amjjawad> we don't need lots of wiki editor
[12:06] <amjjawad> we need people who never stop talking and writing
[12:06] <amjjawad> we need PR and Marketing people
[12:06] <amjjawad> spreading the word of UG
[12:06] <eliasps> diamond_gr and I are trying to spread the word of Ubuntu GNOME in Greece. Via the forums, the media and ubuntugnome.gr
[12:07] <amjjawad> not only in Greece
[12:07] <amjjawad> we need else where too
[12:07] <amjjawad> Let's see how you guys will do ;)
[12:07] <amjjawad> I will hand over the marketing team to you
[12:07] <amjjawad> you have one cycle :D
[12:07] <amjjawad> dazzle me :P
[12:07] <eliasps> :)
[12:08] <amjjawad> and I trust you can indeed dazzle everyone
[12:08] <eliasps> Yeah, through marketing and promotion everything is possible.
[12:09] <amjjawad> hope so
[12:12] <mjayk> I have a question which you may beable to answer
[12:13] <amjjawad> mjayk, ask :)
[12:13] <mjayk> what is the idea of ubuntu gnome is it to provide a ubuntu os with a base as close to stock gnome as possible
[12:13] <mjayk> or is it to provide a distanced os which has a ubunttu base
[12:13] <mjayk> does that make sence
[12:14] <amjjawad> mjayk, the answer to your Q is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME#Introduction
[12:15] <amjjawad> give users the ability to use Ubuntu with different flavor, that is GNOME
[12:15] <amjjawad> we share the same core system and same repositories but different DE and default apps
[12:16] <mjayk> yes so i see that, and get its the same core system
[12:16] <eliasps> As a fun of both Ubuntu and GNOME I think it combines everything that was missing from Ubuntu.
[12:16] <amjjawad> we have the same release schedule, etc
[12:16] <mjayk> but what i mean is how do people feel generally within the group about modifications of gnome shipped by default. I just curious regarding direction.
[12:17] <amjjawad> not sure I got that?
[12:17] <mjayk> for instance as a random example
[12:17] <mjayk> how tied are you to shipping the same default programs that ship with the base gnome install
[12:18] <amjjawad> I see
[12:18] <amjjawad> we don't ship the very same ones
[12:18] <mjayk> like icon sets themes etc
[12:18] <amjjawad> for example: Ubuntu Software Center
[12:19] <mjayk> ok so at the moment as far as i understand you ship by default ubuntu + gnome packages is that right ?
[12:19] <amjjawad> indeed
[12:19] <amjjawad> Ubuntu GNOME = Ubuntu + GNOME
[12:20] <eliasps> mjayk I think it's more simple than that. Ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution, not counting mint because it's basically Ubuntu as well.
[12:20] <amjjawad> but that does not mean it has 100% Ubuntu and 100% GNOME
[12:20] <eliasps> 2 reasons for that: easiest installation of software than any other distro (because of availability) and a giant community of contributors
[12:21] <amjjawad> +1
[12:21] <eliasps> GNOME is the most popular desktop environment for Linux, at least it was last time I checked.
[12:21] <eliasps> A combination of those seems great to me, but that's a matter of taste also.
[12:21] <mjayk> nono i get that and completley agree with you eliasps what i mean is lets say you want to ship some extra software by default or cut software out by default is that part of the project or is the idea to follow ubuntu's and gnome's default packages as closely as possible
[12:21] <amjjawad> +1
[12:22] <amjjawad> there is no such thing as the perfect or the best system :)
[12:22] <amjjawad> it is a matter of personal opinion
[12:22] <amjjawad> mjayk, we can change the default apps if we wish
[12:22] <amjjawad> we control what we ship, somehow
[12:25] <eliasps> I get what you mean mjayk ;) I'm just expressing  my point of view. The preinstalled packages are of great importance of course, but on the other hand, installing and removing packages are 2 commands away.
[12:26] <eliasps> Bringing the GNOME Desktop as its developers intended and keeping the Ubuntu touch (not the phone os :P) is the golden ratio for me
[12:26] <eliasps> And I am all for customization. Nothing stays in its default state on my computer :P
[12:27] <eliasps> I just love the fact that you can tweak the system any way you want
[12:28] <amjjawad> mjayk, you just got approved but one of the team leaders and you just deactivated that :P
[12:28] <amjjawad> no worries, good call ;)
[12:28] <amjjawad> let's think about packaging later
[12:29] <mjayk> amjjawad: i got approved but then deactivated because the person who approved me said he wasnt ment to approve people :)
[12:29] <mjayk> i did nothing :)
[12:29] <amjjawad> no worries
[12:30] <mjayk> eliasps: I agree, and I understand that all of this has alot to do with personal preference and getting the "golden ratio" can be very difficult
[12:31] <eliasps> Yes, the golden ratio is different for each user. That's why a distribution comes in a neutral state and the user tweaks it as he wants. That was one of the first things that impressed me on linux
[12:31] <eliasps> how each desktop is so different, personalized!
[12:32] <mjayk> its one of the reasons i use it : )
[12:32] <eliasps> By the way, welcome to the teams! Contribution is always appreciated. That's what is moving the community forward.
[12:32] <eliasps> Me too
[13:53] <LinDol> hi all
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> I just wanted to say I really like how smooth Ubuntu GNOME has been =)
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> Just one small issue: on my laptop if I attach an external monitor it only shows an image on the attached monitor, not the one from my laptop itself.
[21:37] <mjayk> Afternoon all


[10:26] <Korgmatose> Nicke, I'm the one with the problem, Bderenor has the exact opposite problem :)
[10:26] <Korgmatose> I'm NOT the one with poblems I meant
[10:26] <Bderenor> Nicke: my speakers don't work
[10:26] <Bderenor> right ^^
[10:26] <Nicke> Bderenor: I should have an "nVidia MCP51 HDA".. it's an Asus A6T
[10:26] <henke> shirish: if it's a CRT monitor you'll want at least 85 for your eyes sake
[10:26] <Nicke> Korgmatose: Oh..
[10:26] <Bderenor> however, afk ~ 5 min.
[10:26] <shirish> henke: its a CRT monitor
[10:27] <henke> shirish: most people notice flickering at 60 Hz
[10:27] <ScarFreewill> yeah
[10:27] <shirish> henke: I am trying for this framebuffer console thing, I do not get any usplash while booting
[10:28] <ScarFreewill> it depends what you are used to some ppl that use up to 85 Hz complain about head pains if their on a 60 Hz pc for a while
[10:30] <Bderenor> re
[10:31] <Bderenor> Korgmatose: what exactly is launchpad and what do i do if i have a "launchpad issue" ?
[10:32] <Korgmatose> launchpad is the bug reporting-system for ubuntu
[10:32] <mcarroll> !launchpad > Bderenor
[10:32] <Korgmatose> or it's hosted at launchpad
[10:33] <N6REJ> can anyone help me get vmware working?
[10:34] <anto> Can somone help me install grub on my a diffrent partion currently runing on live cd ???
[10:36] <_4strO> anto: what is the pb ?
[10:38] <tman_ubuntu> hello ubuntu folks.
[10:38] <tman_ubuntu> ?? for ya
[10:39] <nubbe> Is it likely that instructions for proprietary (Canon) printer drivers for edgy will work on edgy?
[10:39] <nubbe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/CanonPrinters/Canon_LBP_2900
[10:39] <nubbe> an educated guess maybe?  :)
[10:39] <nubbe> on feisty that is
[10:40] <tman_ubuntu> got sound and NIC problems with ASUS M2N-MX motherboard.  fiesty w/ kernal 20-25.  any suggestions?
[10:40] <tman_ubuntu> nVidia chipset btw.
[10:41] <tman_ubuntu> Wow!!  scared that many people off huh?
[10:41] <raptor_hs> uboutu 10x for the exact link
[10:41] <knix> Is NetworkManager currently broken? It only gives me manual config
[10:42] <ISRA_sylvacore> wow!!!!!!!!
[10:42] <ISRA_sylvacore> woo-hoo!!!!!
[10:42] <knix> lmao
[10:42] <knix> looks like I need to ignore joins/parts in here
[10:42] <ISRA_sylvacore> lol
[10:43] <knix> ah, much better :)
[10:46] <compengi> what's the default dackground picture in feisty?
[10:46] <mc44> brownyorangyness
[10:46] <knix> haha
[10:47] <compengi> lol
[10:47] <compengi> really what is it, just want to take a look at it maybe i could get it for my edgy if i liked i
[10:47] <compengi> it*
[10:48] <knix> It looks almost exactly like the edgy bg
[10:48] <compengi> oh
[10:49] <knix> I have "Simple Ubuntu" and "Simple Ubuntu (Edgy)" in my backgrounds list, I'm assuming the former is from Feisty
[10:49] <knix> It's just a smoother one
[10:49] <DanaG> Argh, what would cause the panels not to come up,
[10:50] <Kazz> Is there a way to do a regular system update from the console?  (X won't start at the moment, probably due to problems with either the X packages or nvidia drivers that are currently installed)
[10:50] <knix> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:51] <Kazz> dist-upgrade, eh?  Thanks. :)
[10:51] <mc44> upgrade will also work
[10:51] <knix> well, maybe just upgrade
[10:51] <knix> depending on what you want
[10:51] <DreamThief> mh
[10:51] <_4strO> !cron | Kazz
[10:51] <ubotu> Kazz: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[10:51] <ISRA_sylvacore> anyone who can help me load ubuntu server can have free wesite for a year
[10:51] <DreamThief> Kazz, i got the same problem
[10:51] <ISRA_sylvacore> pm me
[10:52] <_4strO> lol ISRA_sylvacore
[10:52] <DreamThief> ll
[10:52] <ISRA_sylvacore> I'm dead serious
[10:52] <_4strO> what's your pb ?
[10:53] <ISRA_sylvacore> need to load ubuntu server on an optiplex 320
[10:53] <ISRA_sylvacore> all USB, no PS@ ports
[10:53] <ISRA_sylvacore> PS2
[10:53] <Kazz> ISRA_sylvacore: I'd help for free, but I don't have experience with Ubuntu's server version yet...or with that hardware.
[10:54] <DreamThief> omg
[10:54] <ISRA_sylvacore> I can get to the install itself, but the kbd won't work
[10:54] <Kazz> ISRA_sylvacore: The desktop version uses USB mice fine at least, probably keyboards too...the server version won't?
[10:54] <DreamThief> there's no difference between ubu ntu server an ubuntu normal despite the lack of any desktop environment
[10:54] <Kazz> D'oh.  I haven't tried a USB keyboard yet...
[10:55] <_4strO> i have a usb kld and no pb
[10:55] <_4strO> (on my laptop)
[10:55] <ISRA_sylvacore> it's a brand new machine from dell
[10:55] <Kazz> Could there be a BIOS setting that needs to be changed?
[10:55] <_4strO> i think so Kazz
[10:55] <Kazz> _4strO: Did you install with that keyboard, or add it after?
[10:56] <ISRA_sylvacore> I've been messing with th BIOS since 9:00 AM
[10:56] <ISRA_sylvacore> I can get the CD to run, and when I select the LAMP install, it halts
[10:56] <Kazz> It could also be that the USB drivers aren't loaded for the text installer...I don't know whether they are or not...
[10:56] <Kazz> Errr...you can select something with the keyboard and *then* it stops?
[10:57] <ISRA_sylvacore> if I use some command-line options I can get to the install itself, but it locks up, the kbd won't work
[10:58] <ISRA_sylvacore> I want a LAMP server
[10:58] <Kazz> That doesn't sound fun... :(  Have you looked to see if anyone has successfully installed Ubuntu server (or any Linux distributions) on that hardware?
[10:58] <ISRA_sylvacore> I've looked and seem the options I've tried, but to no avail
[10:59] <_4strO> Kazz: install with USC kbd
[10:59] <_4strO> Kazz: install with USB* kbd
[10:59] <PMT> ISRA_sylvacore, what machine?
[10:59] <ISRA_sylvacore> optiplex 320
[10:59] <ISRA_sylvacore> dell
[10:59] <PMT> Also, have you tried toggling LOL PS2 KEYBOARD EMULATION?
[10:59] <ISRA_sylvacore> no PS2 ports at all
[10:59] <darich> ah I hate kernel upgrades
[10:59] <darich> :S
[10:59] <darich> hassle
[11:00] <ISRA_sylvacore> toggling it?
[11:00] <Kazz> ISRA_sylvacore: Toggling something is turning it on or off.
[11:00] <PMT> The BIOS probably has an option in some submenu related to peripherals or USB about emulating PS/2 keyboards with USB keyboards.
[11:00] <ISRA_sylvacore> I know that, lol
[11:00] <ISRA_sylvacore> I'll look again
[11:00] <PMT> Usually just cryptically labeled "PS/2 keyboard emulation" or "USB keyboard emulation" or something silly like that.
[11:00] <Kazz> ISRA_sylvacore: Okay, your question made it sound like you didn't though. :)
[11:01] <starz> mmm
[11:01] <starz> interesting
[11:01] <starz> i noticed that when trying to ssh into one of my servers that its much slower on feisty than edgy
[11:01] <_4strO> ISRA_sylvacore: did you try another USB port ?
[11:01] <starz> i think there may be a networking bug for wired inet
[11:01] <ISRA_sylvacore> yea, front, back
[11:01] <_4strO> (if you have one in another place)
[11:03] <Kazz> starz: Copying large files over the local network hasn't been filling the available bandwidth for me either, but I thought it was probably just that the drivers for my chipset weren't very good yet.  Maybe that's not the reason....
[11:04] <starz> Kazz i noticed that eth0 is sluggish
[11:04] <starz> for everything
[11:04] <starz> i don't code or anything but i would suspect that the drivers got moved to userspace or something equivalent
[11:04] <starz> or that some part of the code is bad
[11:05] <void^> there seems to be a minor issue with the ssh client causing a short delay when connecting to a server
[11:05] <phaidros> strangly since some updates: when I want to move a windows to another workspace (metacity) by rightclicking on the window-bar, the workspace the window is actually in is not highlighted anymore .. thats very disturbing
[11:05] <phaidros> any ideas?
[11:05] <starz> !paste
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[11:05] <starz> void^ mm
[11:05] <starz> i noticed it does that for every kinda outgoing connection tho
[11:05] <Tom47> i have a couple of questions as to whether i have a bug or not ....
[11:05] <starz> including dcc via irc or ftp etc
[11:05] <starz> !paste
[11:07] <starz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15664/  <<--- thats my hardware
[11:07] <Tom47> i have an update linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic that wll not download because permissions are refuse on the server ... is tis ok?
[11:07] <phaidros> where to ask for problems with the workspace switcher ?
[11:07] <starz> also i noticed that both in kde and in gnome that beryl is quite buggy
[11:07] <starz> phaidros right here
[11:07] <starz> just ask dont ask to ask
[11:07] <starz> are you running beryl?
[11:07] <starz> and what wm?
[11:07] <Xteven> whee
[11:07] <_4strO> !ask | phaidros
[11:07] <ubotu> phaidros: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:07] <Xteven> feisty beta works for me, and my packages work without problems
[11:07] <phaidros> starz, my question is already further above :)
[11:08] <starz> i noticed
[11:08] <Kazz> starz: I don't think they would have moved the drivers to userspace, but yeah, it seems like there's some kind of problem.  I really don't know how to track down where it is though...heh.
[11:08] <starz> i asked my question in regards to that :P
[11:08] <phaidros> _4strO: read before use ubotu ;)
[11:08] <starz> kabtoffe i wouldnt think so either.. probably like 4 lines of code somewhere lol
[11:08] <phaidros> starz, even further above ..
 where to ask for problems with the workspace switcher ? <--- ?
[11:08] <phaidros> 23:09 < phaidros> strangly since some updates: when I want to move a windows to another workspace  (metacity) by rightclicking on the window-bar, the workspace the window is actually  in is not highlighted anymore .. thats very disturbing
[11:08] <misfit_toy> interesting, after this big kernel fiasco I went in to do some testing and cleaning of kernels...I found I can't use *any* of the generic kernels, only the -386 kernels (this is a P4 1.8GHz laptop...)
[11:08] <phaidros> _4strO: ^^
 are you running beryl?
 and what wm?
[11:09] <phaidros> starz: ^^
[11:09] <starz> phaidros ^^
[11:09] <phaidros> starz: metacity != beryl :)
[11:09] <starz> just checking
[11:09] <phaidros> I menetioned metacity before ;)
[11:09] <starz> did you install beryl at all?
[11:09] <phaidros> yes
[11:09] <starz> ah
[11:10] <starz> you edited the xorg.conf?
[11:10] <phaidros> using metacity, but have beryl install
[11:10] <phaidros> starz: for what?
[11:10] <starz> did you go with xgl or aiglx
[11:10] <phaidros> I'm just starting AIGLX in xorg
[11:10] <Tom47> when i just booted a full diskcheck cycle occurred and it referred to sda1 and sda3 etc vs hda ... is this somethin new or is it simply because i am now using the uuid fastab
[11:10] <starz> ya ok
[11:11] <starz> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/06/install-beryl-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-aiglx-for-nvidia-ubuntu-704/
[11:11] <phaidros> is AIGLX causing metacity misbehavior?
[11:11] <phaidros> starz: I'm using ati :/
[11:11] <phaidros> with ati corg driver
[11:12] <phaidros> starz: I'm not having beryl problems, just the workspace switcher in metacity O.o
[11:12] <starz> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_feisty_beryl_ati_radeon
[11:12] <starz> yes yes
[11:12] <starz> but sometimes things bork up other things
[11:12] <starz> if you got it installed get it configged right and then go back to it
[11:12] <starz> lemme ask this:
[11:12] <starz> did you go beryl >> metacity and back on this session?
[11:12] <starz> you might only need to restart X
[11:12] <starz> so did you try that?
[11:13] <Ju_> hello
[11:13] <phaidros> starz: no, this sessionis just metacity, freshly booted a couple of hours ago
[11:13] <Ju_> can someone help me with direct a rendering problem?
[11:13] <phaidros> not used beryl for some weeks
[11:13] <starz> mmm
[11:13] <Korgmatose> with feisty close to being released, will the version of beryl shipped be working, like in edgy, or will we ATI-users still have to endure whitescreens and ld_preload and replace ?
[11:14] <starz> ok can you take screenie of what your talking about plz?
[11:14] <starz> lol
[11:14] <starz> Korgmatose i'm sure that they will try to get it all worked out :P
[11:14] <starz> thats what alpha and beta testing is all about :)
[11:14] <Tom47> would a switch to UUID in fstab be causing ubuntu to change refernces to hda/hda to switch to sda/sdc?
[11:14] <phaidros> starz: hm, gnome doesn't let me screenshot while having a right-click menu open :/
[11:15] <phaidros> Tom47: imho not.
[11:15] <WaZ`> Anyone know how to enable direct rendering on an intel i945GM ?
[11:15] <Ju_> I have problems with direct rendering with an Intel 945GM with feisty fawn, can someone help me?
[11:16] <Tom47> phaidros oh wonder why its happening in feisty then
[11:16] <macd> phaidros, just use gnome-screenshot --delay 5  that means in 5 seconds it will take the shot
[11:16] <phaidros> startz: go metacity, take a window bar (top), righ-click on it, open "move to another workspace": you see all workspaces avail, the one where the window resides right now used to be greyed out ..
[11:17] <phaidros> ah, thanks macd
[11:17] <nixnoob> how do i blacklist a module?
[11:18] <cavediver> Hi all. I have a thinkpad and the sound disappeared a month ago. Seems like the bug still isn't fixed. Any ideas?
[11:19] <starz> phaidros ah
[11:19] <starz> and now its not greyed out?
[11:19] <starz> or all of them are greyed out
[11:19] <Tom47> nixnoob i think its done in/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:19] <starz> cavediver did you make sure you had right device checked?
[11:19] <phaidros> starz: none is greyed out. (screenshot still needed?)
[11:19] <starz> no i understand what your saying now
[11:19] <phaidros> kewl :)
[11:19] <cavediver> starz: I haven't change anything.
[11:20] <starz> is the whole right click menu different phaidros ?
[11:20] <phaidros> starz: nope the same as it always was
[11:20] <starz> cavediver i understand right click on audio icon and do open volume control [assuming gnome here]
[11:20] <cavediver> starz: sure.
[11:20] <starz> phaidros you do have multiple workspaces?
[11:21] <starz> what theme are you using
[11:21] <phaidros> starz: yes, thats what its all about :)
[11:21] <phaidros> starz: standard ubuntu
[11:21] <starz> mm
[11:21] <phaidros> starz: do you have that also? or is the one u are on right now greyed out there?
[11:22] <starz> mm
[11:22] <starz> is beryl-manager running at all even tho your in metacity?
[11:23] <phaidros> beryl manager is running
[11:23] <starz> right click and select reload window manager
[11:23] <starz> and also do the same for window dressing or w/e
[11:23] <phaidros> hm, ok I see what you mean .. nasty beryl manager
[11:23] <starz> :P
[11:23] <starz> it likes to play with u a little and make u guess a bit at times
[11:24] <starz> cavediver where u at
[11:24] <phaidros> hm, problem still exists
[11:24] <Ju_> I have problems with direct rendering with an Intel 945GM with feisty fawn, can someone help me?
[11:24] <starz> phaidros switch to beryl
[11:24] <starz> then switch back
[11:24] <cavediver> starz: it's open
[11:25] <starz> go to file > change device
[11:25] <starz> tell me what you see there
[11:25] <starz> Ju_ that intel is your vid card?
[11:25] <starz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402163
[11:26] <starz> there u go Ju_
[11:26] <starz> google to the rescue
[11:26] <phaidros> starz: except I had to sort 20 windows back to their workspaces nothing changed :)
[11:26] <starz> lol
[11:26] <starz> that sux
[11:26] <Ju_> I have a intel 945GM
[11:26] <starz> ok phaidros open system > admin > user management or w/e
[11:26] <starz> and make a new user
[11:26] <starz> and give em full rights to everything and start new session as that user
[11:27] <smarter> hi
[11:28] <phaidros> hm. ok, thats alot hassle for now. I see your point an freshly understood that somehow metacity is started by beryl-manager, right? when then again could cause my problem.
[11:28] <TheVault> How do I make a launcher to a folder inside my home directory? Everytime I try to create a launcher, it says "There was an error launching the application. Details: Failed to execute child process "/home/kylewitt/music."(permission denied)......How do I fix this?
[11:28] <starz> phaidros
[11:28] <TheVault> I'm trying to make this launcher on the desktop
[11:28] <smarter> I've some hotkeys on my laptop (XF86AudioRaiseVolume, XF86AudioLowerVolume, ...) which worked with edgy but don't produce anything with feisty
[11:28] <phaidros> starz: I'll investigate that further once, there is not a pile of work in front of me :)
[11:28] <starz> i am betting its a setting somewhere
[11:28] <starz> takes only a moment to make the user
[11:28] <phaidros> tahnks for your suggestions!
[11:29] <phaidros> ah, ok. I could switch session then and keep mine, good idea!
[11:29] <starz> applications > system tools > new login
[11:29] <starz> yeah
[11:29] <starz> just log out from the new one and you revert to old one
[11:29] <phaidros> but wait: switching to another user creates a new session?
[11:29] <starz> gotta put pass in if its seutp like that
[11:29] <starz> it basically goes to screensaver mode
[11:29] <starz> then your new session takes over the X window
[11:29] <starz> quite nice actually
[11:30] <starz> not quite fast user switching but close
[11:30] <starz> =P
[11:30] <starz> ;)
[11:30] <phaidros> hm, at least one more osx-like feature, which is good!
[11:30] <starz> ok cavediver what did you see?
[11:30] <TheVault> Can someone help me create a launcher to my desktop to a folder inside my home directory?
[11:30] <starz> yeah no problem TheVault
[11:30] <starz> open terminal
[11:30] <starz> cd /home
[11:31] <starz> sudo ln -s /home/username/Desktop whateveryouwantyourshortcuttobecalled
[11:31] <ZombiekE> hello guys, I see from the topic that  the bugs are fixed, have they been released? how do I update?  sudo apt-get update?
[11:31] <phaidros> TheVault: you can use nautilus for that also.
[11:31] <starz> ZombiekE that updates package list
[11:31] <starz> sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:31] <TheVault> starz: No no, I mean create a launcher on my desktop. The directory of that launcher would be going to my home directory to a folder I specify
[11:31] <ZombiekE> thanks starz :)
[11:31] <starz> oh
[11:31] <phaidros> try with hold shift or alt or strg, when moving the folder icon to your desktop, you'll see different action symbols at the destination icon
[11:32] <starz> same format anyway
[11:32] <starz> np ZombiekE
[11:32] <TheVault> oh, lemme try the shift or alt
[11:32] <starz> oo
[11:32] <starz> didnt know that one phaidros good on ya
[11:32] <starz> ;)
[11:32] <starz> noipe
[11:32] <starz> nope
[11:33] <starz> shift didnt work neither did alt
[11:33] <starz> i was trying to make a link to /home
[11:33] <starz> lol
[11:33] <TheVault> yeah, the alt just copies it
[11:33] <starz> so then
[11:33] <TheVault> The alt, shift or the windows button don't work when dragging
[11:33] <starz> the other way from metacity is to right click on desktop and create launcher
[11:33] <smarter> anybody to help me with my hotkey problem?
[11:33] <phaidros> starz: strg show a plus => makes copy, alt shows a question mark, and letz you decide once you release mouse button :)
[11:34] <Hidan> okay this is just it... i can't find a good trillian alternative that meets my needs. i freaking guess the only other way is to run Trillian through wine... good bloody gods.
[11:34] <starz> phaidros not for me
[11:34] <starz> =p
[11:34] <TheVault> starz: Yeah, I know you can right click on the desktop and create a launcher, but when I point to a folder inside my home directory and whatnot, I go to launch it I get a permission denied
[11:34] <starz> Hidan oi
[11:34] <starz> try gaim it worx rather nice
[11:34] <phaidros> starz: what? thats standard nautilus behaviour since i ue ubuntu (which is since warty)
[11:34] <starz> TheVault then just do from terminal
[11:35] <starz> phaidros *shrug*
[11:35] <TheVault> starz: How would I do it from terminal?
[11:35] <starz> TheVault
[11:35] <starz> cd ~/Desktop
[11:35] <Hidan> starz: well gaim is pretty good, i admit, but ... i have over 100 ICQ nicks on my list and since I've to add in each and every one of them, that'd be a pure nightmare.
[11:35] <starz> ln -s /path/to/some/thing thenameuwant
[11:35] <starz> you mgiht have to do sudo if its a protected directory like /home or /
[11:36] <TheVault> and that will create a shortcut to the folder I specify?
[11:36] <starz> yup
[11:36] <TheVault> Alright, lemme give it a whirl
[11:36] <Hidan> starz: I even tried going into #pidgin to ask if mass-loading of ICQ nicks could be done within Pidgin but no answer.
[11:36] <Hidan> oh well.
[11:37] <phaidros> starz: maybe try to install nautilus-scripts or one of such packets. its very handy behaviour
[11:37] <TheVault> starz: Thanks.   To add in their nicknames, I have to right-click on each and every one of them and type in an "Alias".
[11:39] <Tom47> smarter aha ok ty
[11:39] <starz> heh smarter to the rescue
[11:39] <starz> Hidan ah
[11:39] <starz> um
[11:39] <Tom47> starz ty for response
[11:39] <smarter> now if someone can help me... :P
[11:39] <starz> lemme think for a second...
[11:39] <Hidan> starz: Now, eh I've over 100 people with ICQ nicks... that's a huge nightmare
[11:40] <starz> previously it picked up the aliases from the server correct?
[11:40] <starz> brb restarting compy
[11:40] <Hidan> starz: uhhh no? This is my first time using GAIM
[11:40] <starz> i mean in windows or whatever client you used before
[11:42] <Ju_> ok thanks
[11:42] <Ju_> I will be back soon =)
[11:42] <Tom47> i have a message have to use kernel agp rather than fglrx .... shouldn't i need fglrx?  and how?
[11:43] <Hidan> starz: yes, in Trillian... it'd auto-load the ICQ nicks. :p
[11:43] <sirius> lol what should i do with my SL-5500 zaurus?
[11:43] <phaidros> heya starz :)
[11:43] <smarter> Tom47: To use internel agp you have to add an option to the device part of your xorg.conf
[11:43] <phaidros> starz: give it to mee :)
[11:44] <sirius> its running linux right now and sitting on my desktop as a spare box
[11:44] <sirius> :P
[11:44] <phaidros> starz: new user has the same workspace switcher problem :(
[11:44] <smarter> Option "UseInternelAGPGart" "no"
[11:44] <smarter> or at least i think so :P
[11:44] <Tom47> smarter ah ok ty
[11:44] <linux_kid> macd, is the bcm43xx update ready :)    (don't you just enjoy me bothering you?)
[11:44] <noisymouse> How do I set up my wireless card from the terminal? (Not loading kernel modules or anything like that , just connecting to a particular network)
[11:44] <phaidros> ah sirius, I just bricked mine and gave it to a friend who re-alived it :)
[11:44] <phaidros> now he's having it with linux also
[11:44] <phaidros> and I don't :(
[11:45] <sirius> i dontknow what to do with it tho
[11:45] <sirius> lol
[11:45] <smarter> noisymouse: sudo ifup eth1
[11:45] <sirius> right now its running openzaurus and i installed the sdk kit for it
[11:45] <smarter> (assuming eth1 is your wifi card)
[11:45] <sirius> so im compiling stuff like nano and bsflite and links/lynx
[11:45] <sirius> on it :P
[11:45] <phaidros> sirius: its a great tool for wireless community networking, put an wireless card with anteanna adapter on an chekc lines of sight for network nodes :)
[11:45] <noisymouse> smarter: it will prompt me for the network name at that point?
[11:46] <sirius> yeah i have kismet on it
[11:46] <phaidros> sirius: http://freifunk.net
[11:46] <smarter> noisymouse: nop
[11:46] <noisymouse> smarter: so what about that part?
[11:46] <smarter> noisymouse: you've to change this in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[11:47] <smarter> or to play with iwconfig
[11:47] <smarter> sudo iwconfig essid my_essid
[11:47] <smarter> sudo iwconfig key my_key
[11:47] <smarter> oops
[11:47] <phaidros> sirius: sadly its mostly in german :/
[11:47] <starz> phaidros that means its not a config thing
[11:47] <smarter> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid my_essid
[11:47] <phaidros> starz: true
[11:47] <starz> its probably one of the packages you have in the system or a loaded module
[11:47] <starz> do you have direct rendering working? out of curiosity and all
[11:48] <noisymouse> smarter: and if my wireless carrd isn't eth1, how would i find out what it is?
[11:48] <starz> Hidan ok looking
[11:48] <smarter> noisymouse: type in a console iwconfig
[11:48] <Hidan> starz: okay thank you. =D
[11:48] <phaidros> starz: yes, luckily my card is supported with dri on xorg's ati driver
[11:48] <phaidros> starz: could only be something with gnome so far
[11:48] <smarter> noisymouse: if you get something like "eth0      no wireless extensions." it's not a wifi card
[11:49] <noisymouse> ok. Thanks.
[11:49] <phaidros> starz: anyway. thank you. I'll have to live with it for now :)
[11:49] <linux_kid> How do I get my synaptics touchpad to use vertical scrolling in feisty (worked out-of-box in edgy & dapper)
[11:50] <phaidros> linux_kid: works here on feisty like a charme
[11:50] <smarter> for me too
[11:50] <linux_kid> phaidros, laptop model?
[11:50] <linux_kid> smarter, laptop model?
[11:50] <phaidros> linux_kid: see if this is in your xork.conf: http://pastie.caboo.se/53892
[11:51] <phaidros> linux_kid: thinkpad t41p
[11:51] <smarter> linux_kid: hp compaq nx8220
[11:51] <phaidros> \/done
[11:51] <linux_kid> phaidros, ok
[11:51] <linux_kid> smarter, i have a compaq v5204nr
[11:53] <sirius> is ebay down for anyone else?
[11:53] <sirius> or just me?
[11:53] <starz> http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/466 check that out Hidan
[11:53] <macd> linux_kid, it builds, but after I tested it, I cant use wifi at all
[11:53] <starz> mebbie thats a hint
[11:53] <macd> it seems to turn the radio on and off for no reason
[11:53] <linux_kid> macd, that's not so great, :(
[11:54] <macd> yeah, not at all
[11:54] <linux_kid> macd, can you save your system?
[11:54] <vpol> i've updated kernel to 2.6.20-15.25 today, but it doesn't help. still freeze while booting. amd64 with 32-bit ubuntu feisty.
[11:54] <linux_kid> macd, i would feel horrible if I crashed your wifi
[11:54] <macd> I think I see the problem in the code possibly bcm43xx_is_hw_radio_enabled seems to be not enabled
[11:54] <macd> linux_kid, its ok, I know how to revert ;P
[11:55] <Hidan> starz: whoa you serious?! O_o;; Hmmm.... oh no, that's talking about aliases you can set within Gaim"
[11:55] <Hidan> starz: thank you anyways ^^
[11:55] <linux_kid> macd, ok, well... i think I will be using linuxant until bcm43xx is fixed. Thank you a ton for your help :)
[11:55] <macd> np np
[11:55] <starz> Hidan mmm
[11:55] <starz> sorta
[11:56] <macd> Im still going to try and fix it, if it works and your around you'll know about it
[11:56] <cables> Was the Feisty kernel problem completely fixed by the new linux-image update?
[11:56] <ariston> hi, i'm running fiesty has a xen server. i'm trying to setup debian sarge as a guest, but debian isn't too happy because the lack of devpts in the Ubuntu xen kernel. Does anyone know what I'd need to enable in the xen kernel in order to be able to mount /dev/pts within /dev?
[11:56] <Hidan> starz: oh man... this is just some sticky problem, :p
[11:59] <k`ubuntu> a noob question, what exactly this "Expect breakage" means? :) Break in testing or it may delay the release date as well?
[11:59] <starz> lol
[11:59] <starz> in testing
[11:59] <phaidros> which is ubuntu-dev channel?
[11:59] <linux_kid> how do I blacklist bcm43xx?
[11:59] <k`ubuntu> thanks starz, I want to install the final Feisty, asap :)
[12:00] <smarter> linux_kid: to blacklist a module, add an entry blacklist name_of_module to the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[12:00] <linux_kid> smarter, thank you
[12:01] <starz> k`ubuntu consider making a seperate root partition for it, and a seperate username and reuse swap and /home
[12:01] <starz> hehe
[12:01] <gils> i need some VNC and SSH help. I understand that inorder to VNC from a computer to my ubuntu box at home a gnome-session needs to be running. But i can ssh into a computer even if no user is logged on. How do i use vnc to log into my computer if no one is logged in!!!?
[12:01] <smarter> gils: I don't think it's possible
[12:01] <k`ubuntu> starz, why? Beta running now for testing purposes, and will install (hopefully) final next week for fix using
[12:02] <smarter> gils: but why do you want this?  ssh can do everythin vnc can do
[12:02] <eck> gils: maybe if you write a really complicated pam policy... it would not be easy though
[12:02] <starz> mmmmmmm
[12:02] <starz> found something really interesting Hidan
[12:03] <Hidan> starz: yeah, really? xD
[12:03] <gils> smarter: i cant for the life of me figure out how to get an X environment with ssh....
[12:03] <gils> i am an SSH/VNC noob so take it easy on me boys :-)
[12:04] <smarter> gils: just do ssh -X :)
[12:04] <eck> gils: you will also need to make sure it is enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:04] <gils> ahhh
[12:04] <gils> enabled, but of course
[12:04] <gils> let me see
[12:05] <eck> gils: if you look at /var/log/auth.log you will see ssh errors, and if you had it disabled you would see in that log file when you tried to connect
[12:05] <assasukasse> well i must add something, if u wanna connect to ssh -x start a program, then let the server run it, well u have to stay connected for all the time, otherwise it will be lost
[12:06] <hooray> question- how many instances of gdm do i need running? i have 2 can i just have 1? i dont need 6 instances of getty running, i took those out by deleteing tty2-6 in etc/event.d . i saved a whopping 2 mbs of ram...
[12:06] <eck> yeah... ssh with x11 forwarding kind of sucks
[12:07] <hooray> theres also dbus-daemon and a fork of it...
[12:07] <eck> hooray: that is awesome, i have never known anyone to delete their gettys before
[12:07] <assasukasse> for example, i have the need to control my server via VNC, so that i can show ppl things while i am doing them , seems there is no way to do that with ssh, or at least i've not find yet
[12:07] <hooray> just 1 left
[12:07] <eck> hooray: i hope you have screen installed
[12:07] <assasukasse> moreover, trying to secure tunnerl vnc was unsuccesful
[12:08] <assasukasse> i tried to run vnc4server by loading the module in xorg.conf and telling it to listen only to localhost
[12:08] <eck> hooray: i think gdm is designed to run as two processes
[12:08] <assasukasse> then ssh -L 5901:myserver:5900 myserver
[12:09] <assasukasse> ssh works fine, but i can't tunnel at all
[12:10] <starz> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:GDgF1I1E2_IJ:http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaim/gaim/ChangeLog?rev=1.1179&view=markup
[12:10] <starz> sigh
[12:10] <starz> its about a quarter down the page
[12:10] <starz> search for use remote alias
[12:10] <assasukasse> if someone wants to help, here is the forum entry..http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402035
[12:10] <eck> hooray: but if it is just a fork i suspect a lot of the memory is shared anyway
[12:11] <gils> my x forward is on int he ssh.conf but i cant get X started up. can you tell me what i am supposed to do. I am now typing ssh -x [HOST]  i get nothing
[12:11] <Hidan> starz: ooh use remote alias hmmm
[12:11] <BluesKaj> looking for a fix for the shutdown procedure ...X keeps turning back on and off ,but won't shut off ...any ideas ?
[12:12] <Hidan> starz: good gods, they removed that?!
[12:12] <starz> Hidan now to find out if its gone :P
[12:12] <starz> i think mebbie we need to ask for a patch to put it back in~!
[12:12] <Hidan> starz: why the heck... lol
[12:12] <starz> although that might have been part of hte problem why it was deleting userlists from server during one of hte betas
[12:12] <void^> gils: -x disables X11 forwarding.
[12:12] <Hidan> starz: oh man... :/ that's just... a really difficult choice.
[12:13] <starz> Hidan all that with just google
[12:13] <starz> i want the solution too tho
[12:13] <gils> ok
[12:13] <starz> they really really need that
[12:13] <Hidan> starz: yeah... try setting an alias manually with over 100 nicks!
[12:14] <tmccrary> They have tools to make that easier
[12:14] <tmccrary> http://www.vectorsite.net/tsawk_1.html
[12:14] <Hidan> starz: that'd take like forever...
[12:15] <gils> ok i get it i get it.....i will go RTFM.....
[12:19] <Hidan> starz: i gotta go soon but any idea where to post a request for this feature in Gaim? :P
[12:20] <heno> *** LATEST KERNEL 2.6.20-15.27 : http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/feisty/ *** wide testing appreciated
[12:20] <mc44> haha
[12:20] <Hidan> starz: oh wait... they have a tracker where you can post tickets.
[12:23] <mc44> heno: no amd64 for .27?


[01:49] <donofrio> 20.04 will be a LTS release?
[01:50] <dax> yes
[01:51] <donofrio> alright, planning on retooling my w10 workstation (tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk2020) with wsl2 this time and 20.04 using testing till released - fun times ahead
[01:51] <donofrio> it's wsl1 right now
[01:54] <donofrio> this was only way to run ubuntu on corp network, now that airwatch client exist not it's making the powers that be accept linux on the network again.....thank you folks for all you do, going to lurk mode


[01:57] <tsimonq2> OK, so after that setback due to PEBKAC on my part, once things finally settle tonight, we should have a bootstrapped Qt in both Debian and Ubuntu.
[17:45] <lisandro> mitya57: actually that strategy failed for qt5 exactly because of the lateness
[17:45] <lisandro> Maintainers did not want to rename their tools, specially when ready to release
[17:46] <lisandro> If we could get them to do it right from the start then it would really help us
 @lisandro, Ok, but we can’t do anything until we start packaging Qt 6, can we?
[19:59] <tsimonq2> hah
[19:59] <tsimonq2> One more time... let's see this
[19:59] <tsimonq2> WOAH. That's fast. Good. :D
[20:04] <tsimonq2> oh
[20:04] <tsimonq2> I'm in the completely wrong channel
[20:04] <tsimonq2> We have a new bot in #lubuntu-devel :D
[21:38] <lisandro> mitya57: we need to do it while they did not start qt6
[21:38] <lisandro> Meaning we should start really soon


[00:20] <wgrant> lifeless: Funny story
[00:20] <wgrant> lifeless: We moved it off asuka on Friday
[00:20] <wgrant> And then the new machine had a hardware failure on Saturday morning
[00:20] <wgrant> asuka really doesn't want to die.
[02:13] <lifeless> wgrant: !


[00:33] <jose> put it up there
[00:36] <tsimonq2> Ok
[04:07] <christian_> I know this is probably a dead topic but will http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/feed ever come alive again?
[04:51] <guiverc> christian_,  http://feeds.feedburner.com/ubuntu-fridge   <- try this  (sorry if typo)
[04:52] <guiverc> last post was 2017-03-28 on fridge  (on my liferea anyway)


[00:00] <melodie> valorie I don't have a pic in English yet, but the iso offers the same choice of languages at start as any official ones. here pics in French:
[00:00] <melodie> http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,238.msg1657.html
[00:00] <melodie> and at the end of the post, the links to the isos, for who wants to try
[00:21] <melodie> good night
[01:46] <valorie> looks extremely gnomish
[01:46] <valorie> not a fan of gnome, except for the people
[01:46] <valorie> :-)


[03:16] <WolfThunder> What is the best tool for resizing Windows 10 partitions to add a Ubuntu partition
[03:16] <WolfThunder> ?