 let me know if you need an assist tsimonq2 i've got some time this week
 @teward001: I'd certainly appreciate it if you could. Helpful items would include:
  - Following up on the last 3 LXQt packages in proposed, we're waiting on a Very Slow queue (same goes for @kc2bez)
  - I installed the OpenQA package from the archive in a 22.04 LXD container and set up nginx reverse proxying. All of the pre-built container solutions seem to be rather, er, RHEL-family specific... so whether you could help unglue openqa from proposed, decide on + implement the next best flavor of OpenQA, or just go Mach Jesus and bang out the installation in a way Canonical IS would (purely technically) accept, by all means
  - burn WordPress to the ground in favor of a static, translatable site, keeping Raf's artistic values (bonus points if you could get Raf back for a small bit, even if we have to pay him :P) (re @teward001: let me know if you need an assist tsimonq2 i've got some time this week)
[02:41] <arraybolt3[m]> This might be an unpopular idea... but we don't have to host openQA on Ubuntu. Just because we're testing Ubuntu doesn't mean we can't used an RHEL derivative.
[02:41] <arraybolt3[m]>  * This might be an unpopular idea... but we don't have to host openQA on Ubuntu. Just because we're testing Ubuntu doesn't mean we can't used an RHEL derivative to host the tester.
[02:42] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: Items that could be helpful for you to work on if you have the time this week may include:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a6e7ce4dda0c4a331041796f8e1a9beb714f7e6f>)
[02:43] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I mean... here's the thing. Yeah, for a sandbox it may work for a bit to use one of their pre-baked containers. That being said, once we have ours up I'm going to cross-reference notes with some people and figure out how to get everyone to adopt it
[02:44] <tsimonq2> That being said, in my opinion it's a priority to get that, CI, and ppa-britney up ASAP so technical problems are evident
[02:45] <tsimonq2> And it takes work off of the contributors so we can spend less time on the "same stuff different cycle" and more on actually moving the needle
[02:46] <arraybolt3[m]> (re: working on Lubuntu Developer application) Alright for Lubuntu Membership I just wanted everyone to be in agreement. With Lubuntu Developer... technical knowledge is key, and I know I'm missing technical knowledge. Lemme at least get to the point where me and the Debian LXQt Team can work together smoothly and then maybe I won't be quite so scared of that.
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (I mean I literally only just finally got somewhat comfortable with Vim and Git recently, and I'm not even all that comfortable with either!)
[02:48] <tsimonq2> Whenever you're ready... :)
 dont get me started on RHEL. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]>  * This might be an unpopular idea... but we don't have to host openQA on Ubuntu. Just because we're testing Ubuntu doesn't mean we can't used an RHEL derivative to host the tester.)
 WP /RAF is outside my purview.  because thats a complete recode of things.  :P

 Packages in proposed need built i assume - if the queue is long blame the fact theres so much stuff going on including bootstrapping.

 i'll help with getting openqa up.  LXD containers include RHEL based options but i'll investigate openqa.  after work todaym (re @tsimonq2: @teward001: I'd certainly appreciate it if you could. Helpful items would include:
  - Following up on the last 3 LXQt packages in proposed, we're waiting on a Very Slow queue (same goes for @kc2bez)
  - I installed the OpenQA package from the archive in a 22.04 LXD container and set up nginx reverse proxying. All of the pre-built container solutions seem to be rather, er, RHEL-family specific... so whether you could help unglue openqa from proposed, decide on + implement the next best flavor of OpenQA, or just go Mach Jesus and bang out the installation in a way Canonical IS would (purely technically) accept, by all means
  - burn WordPress to the ground in favor of a static, translatable site, keeping Raf's artistic values (bonus points if you could get Raf back for a small bit, even if we have to pay him :P))
 The arm64 and s390c test queue are currently being processed by one of these..... (re @teward001: WP /RAF is outside my purview.  because thats a complete recode of things.  :P

 Packages in proposed need built i assume - if the queue is long blame the fact theres so much stuff going on including bootstrapping.

 i'll help with getting openqa up.  LXD containers include RHEL based options but i'll investigate openqa.  after work todaym)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/5558479a/file_8696.jpg
 Or seems like it!
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/92739f42/count_counting.mp4
 live footage from the datacenter
 I figured as much :P (re @teward001: dont get me started on RHEL.)
 Here's the thing... RHEL works well for a lot of people. We use it very frequently at $dayjob, because we have a direct contact at Red Hat :P
 We're an Ubuntu flavor, we enjoy a lot of freedoms as such, but we should base everything we do on the base we're dedicated to contributing back to, if that makes sense
 darn, thought I'd at least try :P

 Yeah, the current blocker for everyone is the autopkgtest queue. Sounds like we need:
 A) Better prioritization of the queue.
 B) Speedup of Britney for when the queue is massive (current runs take 3-4 hours)
 I'm definitely interested in working on these items, but I need time :P maybe a week or two

 Thanks re: OpenQA :) (re @teward001: WP /RAF is outside my purview.  because thats a complete recode of things.  :P

 Packages in proposed need built i assume - if the queue is long blame the fact theres so much stuff going on including bootstrapping.

 i'll help with getting openqa up.  LXD containers include RHEL based options but i'll investigate openqa.  after work todaym)
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (re @RikMills: live footage from the datacenter)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/213eb20c/file_8700.jpg
 updated 22.04!
[16:31] <tsimonq2> >:D
[20:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-themes/issues/91#issuecomment-1322406577 (re: EXIF licensing mismatch), is this OK?
[20:44] <tsimonq2> For a bonus I'd try to get to the bottom of why Copyright Notice doesn't work, otherwise yeah that should be cool :)
 "For a bonus I'd try to get to..." <- `exiftool '-CopyrightNotice=text here' Valendas.png` succeeds in modifying that field. Commented on report with working command.
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> @teward001: wrt openQA, what is it I would be able to help with? Programming the tests themselves? Writing documentation? Or...?
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> (I never did figure out how to get openQA set up on my end so I have no clue how to use it currently.)


[14:34] <hobgoblin> anyone awake and got a minute :)
[14:36] <holstein> hobgoblin: i got a minute... maybe 5
[14:36] <holstein> whats up?
[14:36] <hobgoblin> if grub fails during an install - do I file bug against grub or ubiquity? :)
[14:37] <hobgoblin> well it installs but to the wrong drive :)
[14:37] <holstein> good question...
[14:37] <hobgoblin> LOL
[14:37] <holstein> i would think grub for that
[14:37] <hobgoblin> okey doke
[14:37] <knome> i'd say ubiquity... :)
[14:37] <holstein> since its installing but grub is putting it in an unexpected place or whatever
[14:37] <knome> because ubiquity tells grub what to do
[14:38] <holstein> yeah... thats a very good point
[14:38] <holstein> which one is failing
[14:38] <knome> if it should be against grub, someone more knowledgeable will move it anyway
[14:38] <hobgoblin> knome: okey doke :)
[14:39] <hobgoblin> I'm of the opinion that it's critical - in this case I already had grub from 12.04 in sda so it booted, but the whole drive install to sdc put grub in sdb for some reason
[14:39] <hobgoblin> knome: ^^ what do you think?
[14:39] <knome> yes, it's critical
[14:39] <hobgoblin> k
[14:40] <hobgoblin> just going to do one more daily then that's it for today
[14:40] <hobgoblin> back later
[14:40] <knome> hf
[14:40] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:40] <holstein> \o/
[15:56] <pleia2> astraljava: around? I'll be a few minutes late, have a couple of things to take care of before meeting
[15:58] <astraljava> pleia2: Yeah I'm around. I'm very unprepared, though, I have some pressing issues that require my attention, but let's see how it goes.
[15:59] <pleia2> ok, I'll be back soon
[16:00] <hobgoblin> astraljava: r/l trumps everything :)
[16:00] <astraljava> Yes it does. And the issues being in a totally new professional field, they _really_ consume all available time.
[16:01] <astraljava> Right, so was there someone here for the QA meeting?
[16:02] <astraljava> Let's have a show of hands.
[16:02] <hobgoblin> well I'm here
[16:03] <hobgoblin> pretty sure one of those who were here last week said they'd be missing
[16:03] <astraljava> I seem to recall something to that effect too.
[16:04] <hobgoblin> both are missing :)
[16:04] <astraljava> Let's give it a few more minutes. Unless we get any more traffic, I'm going to postpone this.
[16:04] <hobgoblin> k
[16:05] <hobgoblin> I've only really got one question anyway
[16:06] <hobgoblin> hi Os_Maleus
[16:06] <Os_Maleus> hi hobgoblin!
[16:09] <hobgoblin> astraljava: so 2 and you now
[16:09] <astraljava> Oh right.
[16:09] <astraljava> Hi Os_Maleus, you're here for the QA meeting?
[16:09] <hobgoblin> but I've no problem with whatever
[16:11] <Os_Maleus> yes, that one I am.
[16:13] <astraljava> Ok, cool.  I'll use that time to quickly glance over last meeting's minutes, and you can prepare some questions I'm sure were left hanging after the last session.
[16:13] <Os_Maleus> from my side, the things are clear.
[16:14] <hobgoblin> only got the one question at the moment
[16:14] <Os_Maleus> just listening a bit around. perhaps I am hearing some new stuffs. :-)
[16:15] <hobgoblin> yea - questions can arise then :)
[16:16] <pleia2> ok, back :)
[16:17] <hobgoblin> wb :)
[16:17] <pleia2> I have a few questions
[16:17] <pleia2> first is for hobgoblin!
[16:17] <astraljava> Let's have the questions piled up until now first.
[16:17] <hobgoblin> I would just like a definitive on whether a daily test is a fail if anything from the short list fails.
[16:18] <astraljava> hobgoblin: That one is a firm yes.
[16:18] <hobgoblin> k - thanks :)
[16:18] <pleia2> how fail does it have to fail? I couldn't precisely match up hobgoblin's bugs with very specific things on the short list (maybe I missed them though)
[16:19] <astraljava> hobgoblin: Testers need not to worry about whether it feels right or not. The testcase authors have to make sure the cases are logical and really required, and also worded right.
[16:19] <pleia2> (and actually, this was my question)
[16:19] <astraljava> That does not mean that you couldn't suggest changes to the testcases.
[16:19] <hobgoblin> I might have a suggestion for testcases
[16:20] <astraljava> But as a rule of thumb, while doing the testing, you follow it to the point, and if anything goes wrong, the test is marked as failed.
[16:20] <astraljava> hobgoblin: Sure, let's wait for those until later, though.
[16:20] <hobgoblin> ok
[16:20] <astraljava> Thanks for a good question! Anything else?
[16:20] <hobgoblin> not from me
[16:21] <astraljava> Os_Maleus? pleia2? Anyone else?
[16:21] <pleia2> I guess my question is which of hobgoblin's tests where on the Short list
[16:22] <hobgoblin> the fails?
[16:22] <pleia2> I think one was a USB one
[16:22] <pleia2> yeah
[16:22] <hobgoblin> yea - that has been a consistent fail - all of my tests had that
[16:22] <hobgoblin> the fix is on the way though I believe
[16:22] <astraljava> For Xubuntu, this should be fixed in tomorrow's images.
[16:23] <hobgoblin> good
[16:23] <pleia2> does it mount the disk, thunar just doesn't allow browsing?
[16:23] <hobgoblin> dmesg sees it - but nothing else
[16:24] <astraljava> You can track the progress of it on bug #1014632
[16:24] <hobgoblin> the test doesn;t include installing udisks2 and rebooting
[16:24] <pleia2> oh, I thought we were talking about 1017076
[16:24] <pleia2> err
[16:24] <Os_Maleus> astraljava: like told before: I was just signed in automatically here to listen around what news I am hearing and to catch up some ways to solve those.
[16:24] <pleia2> 1011917
[16:25] <astraljava> bug #1011917
[16:25] <hobgoblin> same bug I think pleia2
[16:25] <hobgoblin> it'll be fixed iwth udisks2 if that is the cause of 1014632
[16:25] <pleia2> hobgoblin: does it show up in "mount"?
[16:25] <hobgoblin> nope
[16:25] <astraljava> Seems a dupe.
[16:25] <pleia2> ok cool, that was my main worry
[16:25] <Os_Maleus> astraljava: otherwise, I am fighting around with some kind of pneumonia. for which there is no solution offered here, I guess.
[16:25] <hobgoblin> astraljava: I think it is too
[16:26] <pleia2> the test case is very exclusively "If you have a USB drive, plug it in and check it is mounted"
[16:26] <pleia2> not "can you open it" ;)
[16:26] <astraljava> Os_Maleus: Ok, take care soon. Sadly our bug-ridding won't help you there.
[16:26] <hobgoblin> mmm - semantics pleia2 :)
[16:26] <pleia2> hobgoblin: semantics? this is important, I don't know that I would have marked it as a fail
[16:26] <astraljava> pleia2: Yep, that was partly why I mentioned the testcase wordings just above.
[16:27] <pleia2> (well, if it showed up in "mount" I wouldn't have)
[16:27] <hobgoblin> I would - a usb that mounts in the system but is useless without fiddling is useless
[16:27] <pleia2> if the test is "If you have a USB drive, plug it in and check it is mounted and browseable" we should make it "and browseable"
[16:27] <hobgoblin> imo
[16:27] <astraljava> It's hardly interesting to know that the system can mount a removable disk. It should be browsable, too.
[16:27] <hobgoblin> +1
[16:27] <hobgoblin> reword it then :)
[16:28] <pleia2> ok, we should reword it
[16:28] <astraljava> Hold your horses, we'll get there.
[16:28] <hobgoblin> lol
[16:28] <pleia2> next question is bug 1014632 :)
[16:28] <pleia2> how is this a fail? we don't even mention Thunar in the short test
[16:28] <hobgoblin> pleia2: which is where a usb would be browseable from
[16:29] <pleia2> but the test asks nothing about the behavior of thunar, by this logic anything wrong with thunar at all is a fail
[16:29] <hobgoblin> well mark it as a pass ;)
[16:30] <astraljava> No, again, it's the same thing as we just went through. We don't really care whether the system is able to mount removable drives. Well we do, but we also want to be able to browse them.
[16:30] <astraljava> Like we just agreed, we'll reword the test.
[16:31] <pleia2> I really am just using these as examples
[16:31] <pleia2> trying to figure out how strict the wording on Short is
[16:31] <astraljava> Sure, and these examples are just about the same problem, unless I'm seeing something differently.
[16:31] <hobgoblin> they are
[16:31] <astraljava> pleia2: It seems to be really strict, as I understood from the last QA community meeting.
[16:32] <pleia2> alright
[16:32] <astraljava> So, again, we have to carefully reword the cases.
[16:32] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:32] <astraljava> They need to describe things we really care about, like in this case is very evident.
[16:32] <hobgoblin> thanks :)
[16:33] <astraljava> Good points, thank you! Do we have any further questions?
[16:33]  * pleia2 has a few, but others should go if they have some :)
[16:33] <hobgoblin> none here
[16:34] <astraljava> I believe we can go through yours, pleia2.
[16:34] <pleia2> I see the same questions coming up from testers over and over: 1) Where do I know where to submit a bug 2) what to put in the "hardware profile" url link
[16:35] <pleia2> sorry ubottu
[16:35]  * pleia2 pet pet
[16:35] <pleia2> are these documented somewhere?
[16:36] <hobgoblin> I managed to dig out the hardware profile thing the other day for ccInc I think it was
[16:36] <astraljava> They probably are not, very well at least.
[16:36] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage is ok for installed systems, but it's really hard for iso testing
[16:37] <pleia2> I talked to a BugSquad person the other day and he said people can ask in #ubuntu-bugs too
[16:37] <hobgoblin> good idea
[16:37] <astraljava> That's one thing. Sometimes people just aren't available. I wouldn't mind if people filed the bugs against the project, unless there are some release-specific items on LP.
[16:38] <astraljava> I'll mark that one up for research.
[16:38] <astraljava> Sorry, don't have a good answer right now.
[16:39] <pleia2> no worries, I'd rather it made it somewhere xubuntu-ish rather than just another of the thousands of bugs against ubuntu when people don't know
[16:39] <pleia2> having it linked in the QA tracker helps make it not get lost, so maybe I'm too worried :)
[16:40] <astraljava> Well it sort of does, but the current problem of losing the results when the next image is spun makes them difficult to find, at the moment.
[16:40] <astraljava> "losing"*
[16:41] <pleia2> actually, there is now a "Bugs to look for" at the top of each test submission thing
[16:41] <pleia2> "List of bugs that were previously reported for this testcase."
[16:41] <pleia2> they are testcase specific, but they aren't lost anymore
[16:41] <astraljava> I'm not sure whether people saw that, but on yesterday's (excellent, if I might add) classroom QA session, phillw mentioned work is being done on the tracker so that results can be found easier.
[16:41] <pleia2> yeah, that too
[16:42] <pleia2> is there a project for the QA tracker in launchpad? (my google fu is failing horribly)
[16:42] <pleia2> I'll see if there is a bug open to add a note to "hardware profile" telling people they can just include any link, that would sort the other tedious problem
[16:42] <hobgoblin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website
[16:42] <pleia2> thanks hobgoblin :)
[16:43] <hobgoblin> the onlky thing I found about hardware profile is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1/iso-testing-qa#Step_2:_Hardware_Profile
[16:43] <hobgoblin> but I never have used it myself in the tracker
[16:43] <pleia2> ah, the scattering of documentation between 40 qa projects
[16:44] <hobgoblin> yep
[16:44] <pleia2> ok, I'll submit a bug on this
[16:44] <astraljava> Yeah, thanks hobgoblin. I'll try to make a short howto of that for this upcoming milestone testing call.
[16:45] <hobgoblin> ok
[16:45] <pleia2> my next question is because of my annoying time zone
[16:45] <hobgoblin> astraljava: or I could do it - I have spare time if it helps you
[16:45] <astraljava> hobgoblin: I'd appreciate it muchly. :)
[16:45] <hobgoblin> astraljava: ok :)
[16:46] <pleia2> I often only get time to test isos in the evening, which is like 03:00 UTC, and dailys come out around this time, annoyingly I often download an iso and then by the time I get it to my test machine it's the next day
[16:46] <hobgoblin> pleia2: I've had that happen 3 or 4 times
[16:46] <pleia2> what channel/mailing list/whatever should I follow to get an idea of when dailys are made?
[16:47] <pleia2> I might just wait until my time in the evening when the next comes out ,but right now I only know by refreshing the qa site (dislike)
[16:48] <astraljava> pleia2: They're cron-based, it seems today's images came out at 0958 UTC (most likely, unless the page makes it to my timezone automagically).
[16:48] <astraljava> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20120624/
[16:48] <pleia2> so it really is just checking websites for images to show up
[16:49] <astraljava> pleia2: Yep, I don't think Xubuntu receives email about it. I could ask for one, Studio gets one but I'm not sure why.
[16:49] <hobgoblin> pleia2: seems they are always at that time
[16:49] <pleia2> that would be lovely :)
[16:50] <pleia2> I mean, I could write an hourly script to go check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/nextday and send myself an email ;)
[16:50] <hobgoblin> pleia2: daily lives appear to be 10:20 ish
[16:50] <astraljava> pleia2: Err... so you won't need email to be sent from the cdimage process, then?
[16:50] <pleia2> hobgoblin: hm, that hasn't really been my experience
[16:51] <pleia2> astraljava: I think it's still useful, these questions aren't all about personal needs, I think they're useful to others too
[16:51] <hobgoblin> yep
[16:51] <pleia2> if we can figure out how studio gets one, that'd be nice :)
[16:52] <astraljava> pleia2: Ok. I'd like to discuss with the team, first, though. Not sure everyone will want the "spam". :)
[16:52] <pleia2> yeah, we may want to set up a separate qa list for the noise
[16:52] <pleia2> alright, I think that's all my questions
[16:52] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:52] <astraljava> pleia2: I can find out how we (Studio) get it, for sure.
[16:53] <astraljava> Ok, thanks for all of your great questions!
[16:54] <astraljava> So, as I really haven't had time to prepare a real agenda for today, let me just freely go through a few things that I have on my mind regarding the near future.
[16:54] <hobgoblin> one quick one from me
[16:54] <astraljava> Ok, shoot.
[16:55] <hobgoblin> what do you want me to do with the hardware profile thing once I've done it?
[16:55] <hobgoblin> or rather where do you want me to do it - wiki page, e-mail ...
[16:56] <astraljava> hobgoblin: A wiki page would be lovely, under Xubuntu/Testing/, please.
[16:56] <hobgoblin> ok :)
[16:56]  * hobgoblin is quiet now
[16:57] <Unit193> There's a "Subscribe" and "Unsubscribe" under the ISOs, as well as a WIP subscriptions page.
[16:57] <GridCube> (is today another testers meeting?)
[16:58]  * astraljava sighs
[16:58] <astraljava> First, Unit193, want to elaborate a bit on that one? Second, GridCube, yes, as announced on our mailing lists. :)
[16:59] <GridCube> o: i must have missed it
[16:59] <GridCube> its there anything you might need from me?
[16:59] <astraljava> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-June/008252.html
[16:59] <GridCube> oh, yes
[16:59] <GridCube> i read that, i just forgot
[16:59] <astraljava> GridCube: I dunno, if you have anything to contribute. :)
[17:00] <GridCube> i need to start to use some kind of scheduling thingy
[17:00] <GridCube> :) astraljava i have a small comment
[17:00] <astraljava> It shoulda been in the Xubuntu calendar. Ask pleia2 for details.
[17:00] <pleia2> Unit193: wow, I spent like 10 minutes the other day trying to find how to Subscribe (btw http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscription is sad)
[17:00] <pleia2> it is in the calendar
[17:00] <GridCube> the other day i fall into the qa tracker meeting, just happened to be around at the time
[17:01] <astraljava> Thanks, pleia2.
[17:01] <Unit193> pleia2: Quite.
[17:01] <hobgoblin> pleia2: I might have found it ...
[17:01] <pleia2> Unit193: hm, I see an option to subscribe to the test cases
[17:02] <hobgoblin> yea that
[17:02] <pleia2> not the isos themselves
[17:02] <GridCube> and asked the guy who was chairing it to if he could see for my idea of this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/994816
[17:02] <GridCube> he said he would look into it and that he liked the idea :3
[17:03] <Unit193> Like http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects or http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs ?
[17:03] <pleia2> Unit193: are you referring to the test cases or ISOs? if ISOs, where?
[17:03] <Unit193> Testcase.
[17:04] <pleia2> ok, you said ISOs, I am looking for when the ISOs are ready each day
[17:05] <astraljava> GridCube: Yes, I think that is already being worked on, but not sure. Nonetheless, good if you got your message through.
[17:05] <GridCube> :D i did
[17:06] <astraljava> Unit193: pleia2: Is your matter still being handled?
[17:06] <GridCube> i would also have said that works where being done rewriting the testcase procedurals, but i was afraid of making a mistake
[17:06] <astraljava> Oh, they are. I will talk more about them when they are in place.
[17:07] <astraljava> In fact, I just asked about it on -testing.
[17:07] <astraljava> ...or something related to that.
[17:07] <astraljava> Unit193: I ask because I am not sure what you're referring to.
[17:07] <Unit193> I'm done, yep.
[17:08] <astraljava> Unit193: No, I mean, I'd like to know. :)
[17:09] <astraljava> Oh, sorry, missed a line, there.
[17:09] <pleia2> astraljava: I'm all set
[17:09] <astraljava> Right, so any more questions/worries from anyone?
[17:09] <pleia2> I still need to review the Long test, I have an email from knome in my inbox
[17:09] <astraljava> Yes, me too.
[17:10] <hobgoblin> is that on the way - generally speaking
[17:10] <astraljava> Okay, so that's one thing I wanted to say. The /Long testcase is being rewritten, and I'll post about it once we get it into a little better shape.
[17:11] <astraljava> We need to do it soon, as we're entering the Alpha-2 week now.
[17:11] <astraljava> The purpose is to release the milestone on Thursday, 28th of June.
[17:11] <astraljava> So if you have time this upcoming week, pay attention to our mailing lists.
[17:12] <astraljava> As this is an important thing in our QA process, I won't spend too much of our time on other issues right now. I'll just briefly mention a few other things that are going on in the QA-side of things for this cycle.
[17:13] <astraljava> Two other things are on my plate, and they were also mentioned in the first meeting announcement; Boot-time speed-up, and Compositor usage.
[17:14] <astraljava> Of the first, we have a blueprint at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-optimize-boot
[17:14] <astraljava> As you can see, it's in its initial state, still. I'll work on it right after we get Alpha-2 nicely outta oven.
[17:15] <astraljava> If you have lots of time on your hands, though, you can already get educated on bootcharting.
[17:15] <astraljava> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting
[17:16] <astraljava> It's one valuable tool that we can use to gather information about our product and how it behaves at the boot-time.
[17:16] <astraljava> It's not enough alone, though, but it'll get us started. We will then discuss about our findings once some preliminary analyzing of the results is done.
[17:17] <astraljava> Again, stay tuned for our meetings when we proceed with this.
[17:17] <astraljava> ...if you're interested, that is. :)
[17:17] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:17] <astraljava> The other thing, compositor, and whether to enable it by default or not, is another matter.
[17:18] <astraljava> Practically there are two schools of thought, here.
[17:18] <astraljava> For some it seems to provide a more pleasing desktop experience.
[17:18] <astraljava> For some others, it seems to make it hideous.
[17:18] <astraljava> There doesn't seem to be much middle-ground here.
[17:19] <astraljava> For this I haven't yet been able to draw any plans, really. So if you are a usability expert, or have some thoughts about it generally, please do let us know. Any forum is fine.
[17:20] <astraljava> But basically, in the end I'm after some hard facts on what things seem to factor in to the end results, and once we have those, we want to find out whether there's something we can do to act on borderline cases.
[17:22] <astraljava> I'll post about this on the mailing lists, again, when I have a moment to focus on it better.
[17:23] <astraljava> Right, that's about what I have to say at the moment. Did anyone think of any new questions based on the things I babbled about above, or some completely other topics?
[17:24] <hobgoblin> bootchart - I assume that you'd want it installed into quantal for it to make sense ?
[17:25] <astraljava> hobgoblin: Yes. This means that you cannot scrub the new install that you do when going through our ISO testing. :)
[17:26] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:26] <hobgoblin> depends how many bootcharts you want :)
[17:26] <astraljava> But then again, it's only for a short period of time. It's not particularly interesting to test it on very old installs.
[17:26] <hobgoblin> nope
[17:27] <astraljava> Good, any others?
[17:28] <hobgoblin> not from me
[17:29] <astraljava> going once...
[17:29] <astraljava> going twice...
[17:30] <astraljava> 'endmeeting'
[17:30] <hobgoblin> thanks astraljava - time for food and stuff before the italians get a hammering for me
[17:30] <astraljava> Thanks for everyone! Good questions, nice conversation.
[17:30] <pleia2> thanks astraljava :)
[17:30] <astraljava> Hah. :) Well, quite frankly, never been a fan of the italian team. Hope you guys win. :)
[17:31] <hobgoblin> astraljava: I'll work on that wiki page tomorrow
[17:31] <hobgoblin> astraljava: me too and then 5-1 against the germans would be good - can't see it though lol
[17:31] <astraljava> hobgoblin: That's great if you can do that. Please ping me when you have something ready.
[17:31] <hobgoblin> astraljava: I will :)
[17:31] <astraljava> Cheers.
[17:32] <astraljava> Oh yeah, I didn't think we needed another meeting very soon, but pleia2, didn't we agree earlier that we'd have these every third week=
[17:32] <astraljava> = == ?
[17:32] <pleia2> astraljava: yeah, something like that :)
[17:33] <pleia2> so July 15th?
[17:33] <astraljava> Ok, can you mark it in the Xubuntu calendar? 15th of July, same time same place.
[17:33] <astraljava> Heh, nice.
[17:33] <astraljava> I'll note it in the minutes as well.
[17:33] <pleia2> ok, adding to calendar now
[17:33] <astraljava> You rawk!
[17:34] <pleia2> thanks, sorted :)
[17:48] <micahg> mr_pouit: did you discuss the gegl change with the desktoppers?
[19:42] <alazare619> can soemeone get me a copy of the preseed file for xubuntu
[19:44] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ You can.
[20:05] <mr_pouit> micahg: nope, because the merge from jbicha was incomplete (he wanted to drop libavcodec-dev, but kept libavformat-dev, which depends on libavcodec-dev...)
[20:06] <mr_pouit> micahg: if they're not happy, they can say it (it has been broken since the merge and nobody took action, so I guess nobody cares)
[20:18] <alazare619> Unit193, how do i download the preseed file from there?


[05:51] <Kilos> good morning ThatGraemeGuy  inetpro  and others
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo kilos
[07:13] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[07:13]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:13] <Kilos> Maaz  with cremora
[07:13] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[07:13] <Kilos> Maaz  and milk
[07:13] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[07:15] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:15] <Kilos> oh and Trixar_za  too
[07:15] <Kilos> hows things Trixar_za  ?
[07:16] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos - apparently I'm writing an OS
[07:16] <Kilos> aha
[07:16] <Kilos> what you going to call it
[07:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:17] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[07:17] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:20] <Trixar_za> Well, currently it's based on Nimkernel - I just have to fix the bootloader and a few design bugs
[07:21] <Kilos> ah
[07:28] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I may have gone over the deep edge with this one. I'm not baseing it on anything, I'm actually writing a underlying kernel :P
[07:28] <Trixar_za> end*
[07:29] <Trixar_za> Mostly because I'm bored >.>
[07:36] <Kilos> lol
[07:38] <Trixar_za> Incidentally, it has nice 16 colour graphics going for it :P
[07:40] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:42] <inetpro> good morning
[08:02] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:02] <Trixar_za> hi inetpro
[08:17] <charl> morning all
[08:17] <charl> hi Kilos, Trixar_za
[08:17] <charl> hi inetpro
[08:17] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:17]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:17] <Trixar_za> Hey charl
[08:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:33] <theblazehen> hi all, Kilos
[08:34] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[08:35] <theblazehen> Anything happening here?
[08:35]  * theblazehen needs help procrastinating...
[08:41] <Kilos> lol
[08:41] <Kilos> what now?
[08:43] <theblazehen> still science expo thing
[08:43] <theblazehen> I'm gonna finish it before I sleep again
[08:43] <theblazehen> s/gonna/wanna/
[08:46] <Kilos> do it man then its done
[08:49] <theblazehen> ya
[08:57] <charl> hi theblazehen
[08:57] <theblazehen> hi charl!
[09:02] <charl> how's it going
[09:11] <theblazehen> boring, and you?
[09:12] <theblazehen> well not actually boring
[09:12] <theblazehen> but its still work to do
[09:21] <Kilos> wbb, kde sound went missing
[09:22] <theblazehen> pylint hates me...
[09:22]  * Trixar_za facepalms
[09:23] <Trixar_za> So Jennifer Lawrence is dating Chris Martin from Coldplay
[09:23] <Trixar_za> The combined name for them is now Martin Lawrence :/
[09:24] <charl> theblazehen: it's going well, just haven't slept enough
[09:31] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:34] <theblazehen> TIL I can't do :q in the python interpreter...
[09:35] <Kilos> Maaz  google troubleshooting sound problem in kubuntu
[09:35] <Maaz> Kilos: "Problem with sound in Kubuntu 12.10 - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/227596/problem-with-sound-in-kubuntu-12-10 :: "Comprehensive Sound Problem Solutions Guide - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 :: "Sound Problems - KDE UserBase Wiki" https://userbase.kde.org/Sound_Problems :: "No sound or crappy sound on Kubuntu
[09:35] <Maaz> 13.10 - Skype Community" http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/No-sound-or-crappy-sound-on-Ku…
[09:43] <Kilos> yay for some stupid reason it decided to switch to hdd sound not the normal analog thing
[09:43] <Kilos> naughty kde
[09:44] <theblazehen> lol
[09:46] <Kilos> i dont understand the high definition sound thing , is that supposed to come out of the graphics card?
[09:48] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah, on HDMI
[09:49] <Kilos> eish then its different cables and stuff all over
[09:49] <Kilos> all i wanna hear is bloep
[09:52] <Kilos> do you know what bloep is theblazehen  ?
[09:55] <theblazehen> Kilos: nope?
[09:55] <Kilos> bell.ogg
[09:55] <Kilos> my favourite sound
[09:55] <theblazehen> ah
[09:56] <Kilos> i cant think of a better way to try say that sound
[12:47] <theblazehen> :w i <5 seconds later> <Esc> :w
[12:48] <theblazehen> I think I have a saving problam
[13:50] <charl> OCD?
[13:51] <charl> theblazehen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnzz-eFmKaw
[13:51] <theblazehen> charl: Will check later. Netbook can't do video
[13:52] <charl> :D
[14:06] <theblazehen> charl, can I use words such as type or hash as variables in python?
[14:06] <theblazehen> Syntax hilighting makes me think not
[14:14] <charl> hmmm just try it and see
[14:14] <charl> if the syntax highlighter does something it's best not to do it in any case
[14:14] <charl> because it makes it more confusing to read the code
[14:14] <charl> and you never know what type of confusing issues you could get with future versions of python
[14:15] <theblazehen> yeah
[14:15] <charl> that's actually a hidden advantage of using syntax highlighting in the first place
[14:15] <charl> is so that you can avoid "keywords"
[14:15] <theblazehen> Thats what I was also thinking, regarding readability
[14:15] <theblazehen> yep
[14:15] <theblazehen> ;
[14:15] <theblazehen> 0
[14:15] <theblazehen> :) *
[14:15] <theblazehen> fucking netbook keyboardf
[14:15] <charl> lol
[14:15] <theblazehen> s/f//
[14:16] <theblazehen> s/f^// *
[14:16] <charl> yes i was just about to correct you on that lol
[14:16] <theblazehen> or was it s/f$//?
[14:16] <charl> with the dollar
[14:16] <theblazehen> ah, ty
[14:16] <charl> ^ is start of sentance and $ is end
[14:16] <theblazehen> yeah
[14:16] <theblazehen> I always mix them up
[14:16] <charl> /s/sentance/line/
[14:17] <charl> without first slash
[14:17] <charl> ok enuff with this regex stuff :D
[14:17] <theblazehen> s/sentance/sentence/
[14:17] <theblazehen> lol kk
[14:17] <charl> lol
[14:17] <charl> i speake no engorishe
[14:17] <theblazehen> lol
[14:17] <charl> :D
[14:19] <theblazehen> You know the quote about how you should assume whoever is reading your code is a homocidal sadist?
[14:19] <theblazehen> FML...
[14:20] <charl> nope don't know it but that sounds scary
[14:22] <theblazehen> pylint rating is 2.41/10 :(
[14:23] <theblazehen> Pylint just doesn't understand me :(
[14:39] <theblazehen> charl, did you hear "Darude - Sandstorm" ?
[14:39] <theblazehen> it's on soundcloud
[15:50] <Kilos> raining here in winter whew
[15:50] <Kilos> loftus flooded
[15:57] <theblazehen> kilos: that bad? barely anything in centurion
[15:57] <Kilos> rained hard whole first half of the match
[15:58] <Kilos> we just got 5 mins worth
[15:58] <theblazehen> ah
[15:58] <theblazehen> also just 5 min or so here
[17:12] <charl> theblazehen: yes i actually know it very well :)
[17:13] <charl> it's made by a finnish person
[17:13] <charl> i speak some limited finnish
[17:13] <charl> know a bunch of people there
[17:28] <charl> and... hes gone
[18:09] <smile> hi ! :)
[18:36] <charl> hi smile !
[18:36] <charl> how are you
[18:38] <smile> good ;)
[18:38] <smile> how about you? :p
[18:44] <charl> i'm doing really well
[18:44] <charl> just wishing we would still see some summer before it turns to winter
[18:44] <charl> but it seems that's not going to happen :P
[18:46] <smile> charl: lol :D
[18:46] <smile> you've already had a lot of summer ;)
[18:46] <smile> before it was even summer :p
[18:46] <smile> see you later, charl :)
[18:47] <charl> yeah true, we never had a winter either
[18:47] <smile> :)
[18:47] <charl> ciao !
[21:51] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[12:16] <k31th> Yo guys wats cracking
[12:24] <LaserJock> hi k31th
[12:47] <theCore> mdke: that is sweet
[12:49] <theCore> with a little bit of work, we could ship the Wiki with Ubuntu
[12:49] <theCore> hmm, maybe not
[12:52] <theCore> at least, it will make Wiki->Docs conversions easier
[12:59] <Burgwork> theCore, because that is not how it is designed
[01:00] <mdke> ctrl L
[01:01] <theCore> mdke: oh, thanks
[01:01] <mvirkkil> There's a nice runthrough of the markup: http://docbook.wikiwikiweb.de/SyntaxReference
[01:02] <mvirkkil> Converting it shows that the formatter is quite complete.
[01:03] <mvirkkil> Though the macros TableOfContents and ShowSmileys are blacklisted inside the formatter and won't produce any output.
[01:04] <mvirkkil> TableOfContents shouldn't be enabled even if it did work, since the docbookviewers have to be able to generate their own tables of contents..
[01:08] <mdke> mvirkkil: that looks very good yeah. Weren't you going to bed?
[01:09] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I was going to say
[01:09] <LaserJock> of course the same goes for you Matthew
[01:09] <mdke> mvirkkil: you don't mind me blogging about your project I suppose?
[01:09] <mdke> LaserJock: yeah...
[01:12] <mvirkkil> mdke: I really should have, but I was just so surprised about the entusiasm here.
[01:13] <mvirkkil> mdke: Blog away if you want.
[01:13] <mvirkkil> mdke: Perhaps you could leave a direct link to the wiki out of your post.
[01:14] <mvirkkil> mdke: but it's up to you..
[01:16] <LaserJock> mvirkkil: well we have to deal a lot with the wiki and docbook so it really is pretty exciting for us :-)
[01:18] <mvirkkil> LaserJock: It's always nice when ones work is appreciated :)
[01:18] <mdke> mvirkkil: I will not post a direct link if you wish
[01:21] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm not sure why i wouldn't want you to put a direct link.. I dunno. Go ahead and put one if it "comes naturally".
[01:21] <mvirkkil> I guess i was nervous about it getting hammered.. but I'm sure it can take it..
[01:22] <mdke> mvirkkil: I won't link it, it doesn't matter :)
[01:22] <mdke> gnight
[01:52] <Madpilot> oh dear: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatDoNonGeeksWant
[01:53] <LaserJock> oh I hope I'm around for the discussion of that spec ;-)
[01:53] <Burgwork> we need a pool
[01:54] <Burgwork> a poll, even
[01:54] <LaserJock> I think if we included IE as the default browser that spec would be implemented ;-)
[01:55] <Burgwork> heh, no
[02:02] <kermitX_> WhatDoNonGeeksWant: good documentation.
[02:02] <kermitX_> ;)
[02:03] <kermitX_> that is the single biggest complaint i hear around here about linux in general.
[02:04] <Madpilot> it's a legit complaint, to some extent, but that's a textbook case of a useless spec, in it's current form...
[02:04] <Burgwork> good documentation is merely a crutch for bad implementation, in my view
[02:05] <Madpilot> huh?
[02:05] <kermitX_> ok then.. ;)   the other thing the NonGeeks want is to never have to go to console for anything. they're afraid of the little black window.. heck, if they're scared to go into a DOS window, how are they gonna manage in a linux terminal?
[02:08] <LaserJock> well, I don't really like DOS windows either
[02:43] <theCore> I never used MS-DOS, except for ipconfig, but I wouldn't live without my Terminal on Linux
[02:44] <theCore> did you know that O'reilly is making a book about Ubuntu?
[02:44] <Madpilot> yes
[02:46] <theCore> I don't know if it awsome or not
[03:11] <mgalvin> theCore: which book are you referring to?
[06:53] <Madpilot> OK, that's odd. When I go System->Help->Ubuntu Book Excerpts, it opens in Bluefish
[06:53] <jsgotangco> odd
[06:54] <jsgotangco> you might have defaulted HTML to bluefish
[06:54] <Madpilot> guess so
[07:54] <jsgotangco> gee its quite hot today 32C
[08:05] <jsgotangco> i will die
[08:08] <mvirkkil> Here: http://outside.hut.fi/
[08:12] <jsgotangco> 11C is fab
[08:13] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: :)
[08:34] <Burgundavia> anybody got a hoary or breezy box still?
[08:34] <jsgotangco> well i have one at work
[08:35] <robitaille> I can boot in Breezy in a few minutes (I still have it in a 2nd partition on both my computers)
[08:35] <Burgundavia> hmm, need to cleanup https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:35] <Burgundavia> this has drastically changed for the last few releases
[08:44] <apokryphos> it does; I've seen two people in #ubuntu so far today comment about it
[08:49] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: sorry, was that in relation to my comment?
[08:49] <apokryphos> yes
[08:50] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:50] <Burgundavia> we need to clearly segment that page
[08:50] <Burgundavia> hmm, I have thrown out all my hoary cds
[08:51] <apokryphos> The Kubuntu section there seems to be still valid; should perhaps add a mention that it is the same for dapper. I can do that soon-ish, I guess
[08:52] <apokryphos> would be handy to have manual editing sources.list instructions, too; may add that in
[08:53] <apokryphos> Burgundavia: why did you want the hoary CD? Default sources.list?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: no, I found a copy
[08:54] <apokryphos> p.u.c should be good if you did want one
[08:55] <Burgundavia> I have going to install a default copy of hoary and breezy on my laptop to have for documentation purposes
[08:55] <Burgundavia> thankfully hoary ends security support in Oct
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, robitaille: what do you guys think of creating a category for pages which only apply to hoary and can die after security support ends?
[08:57] <jsgotangco> is it really different?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> sorry, don't follow
[08:57] <jsgotangco> the difference between docs that apply to hoary and breezy
[08:58] <Burgundavia> yes, there are a far number
[08:58] <Burgundavia> mostly hardware support stuff
[09:02] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  I think it is a good idea
[09:02] <Burgundavia> what should I call it?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> CategoryHoaryOnly looks good but is bad
[09:02] <Burgundavia> Category504Only ?
[09:03] <robitaille>  CategoryHoary
[09:08] <Burgundavia> robitaille: ok, going to raise it on ubuntu-doc
[09:23] <mdke> morning
[09:24] <Burgundavia> morning mdke
[09:24] <Burgundavia> mdke: thoughts on my email?
[09:25] <mdke> i haven't read it yet
[09:25] <Burgundavia> ok, no worries
[09:26] <mdke> ok, now I have
[09:26] <mdke> sounds like a plan, the only thing I'd say is that potentially nuking pages which apply to Hoary might mean it would take longer to create an updated page
[09:27] <mdke> but for pages where an updated page is not going to be helpful, then nuking them is definitely good when it gets to EOL
[09:27] <Burgundavia> I guess I should have been clear on that
[09:27] <Burgundavia> I meant pages that only apply to Hoary and to no other release
[09:27] <Burgundavia> not pages that need to be updated
[09:27] <Burgundavia> IE: how to get X piece of hardware, mostly
[09:29] <jsgotangco> ahh so the lulu store got slashdotted
[09:29] <mdke> Burgundavia: yeah, fine.
[09:30] <Burgundavia> mdke: can you reply there and tomorrow I will play with the writing a policy on it?
[09:30] <mdke> sure
[09:36] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:54] <jenda> hey, how do I change a wikipage's name?
[09:57] <jenda> nvm
[09:58] <Madpilot> jenda, be cautious changing wikipage names - it breaks all links to them
[09:58] <rob> maybe use a redirect instead
[09:59] <jenda> It's a page I just created.
[09:59] <jenda> And I simply put "moved to JakVypalitIso" instead of the old one.
[09:59] <Madpilot> if it's brand new, then that's fine
[10:17] <Matthewv> hi all.. d'you maintain the starter guide at help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/ ??
[10:18] <Madpilot> we did, it's been depreciated for Dapper, though
[10:18] <Matthewv> k.. so a ubotu factoid that points there should be removed? especially if it gives a 404 error?
[10:19] <Madpilot> yes
[10:19] <Madpilot> find the info in the new Ubuntu Desktop Guide, and link to it
[10:19] <Matthewv> k thanks a lot Madpilot
[10:27] <mdke> Matthewv: the starterguide still exists at http://help.ubuntu.com/5.10/, fwiw. So you can distinguish between information for 5.10, and 6.06
[10:27] <Matthewv> k, thanks
[12:50] <exhale> rob are you a freenode staff?
[01:01] <rob> exhale, yes
[01:02] <rob> whats up?
[01:02] <exhale> i lost my password
[01:02] <exhale> :(
[01:14] <apokryphos> hm, broken link on UserDocumentation to the Glossary; is it still around?
[01:15] <mdke> apokryphos: no, nice catch
[01:16] <apokryphos> worth creating one on the wiki? Could be handy
[01:16] <mdke> i bet there is a good one around somewhere
[01:17] <apokryphos> yeah, could use it
[01:45] <apokryphos> why is it that anchor tags used with the ContentsPage adopt such curious names?
[01:45] <apokryphos> #head-0d871c9a0181db4293f4f8d6aa34b4b3b20cb21b  ...just isn't very practical
[01:54] <mvirkkil> apokryphos: It's an autogenerated hash
[01:54] <apokryphos> yes, but why doesn't it generate something more practical? ;-)
[01:55] <apokryphos> i.e. for point 1, have...... #1
[01:57] <apokryphos> anyhow, with regard to a glossary, anyone have a link to the old glossary?
[01:57] <apokryphos> May start on one for the Wiki in a bit
[01:57] <mdke> you can't find a good technical glossary elsewhere?
[01:58] <apokryphos> looking for the old Ubuntu one
[01:58] <apokryphos> could weave that in to a new one on the wiki, primarily perhaps for new users
[01:58] <apokryphos> though some more technical definitions for some terms won't be discarded
[01:58] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:01] <mdke> apokryphos: as I said, the Ubuntu one isn't there any more. But there is bound to be a very good one elsewhere on the internet
[02:02] <apokryphos> ok, I presumed someone would have a local copy of all the documentation, but nevermind
[02:43] <jjesse> are ever going to have a  documentation team meeting?
[02:53] <onkarshinde> jjesse: It is planed on 15th
[02:53] <onkarshinde> Check the calender
[02:53] <onkarshinde> jjesse: This is calendar url http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical/all/all
[02:53] <jjesse> grin they have been planned but haven't happened in a while
[03:03] <jsgotangco> i dunno i could arrange one but since mdke is the most visibile guy out there, i guess he's the one who has a say...
[03:04] <mdke> I'm fine with you arranging it
[03:09] <mgalvin> hi jenda
[03:10] <mgalvin> we had started talking about the newsletter and how it relates to the marketing team
[03:10] <mgalvin> if that what you are referring to
[03:12] <jenda> yes, prolly ;)
[03:12] <jenda> I was thinking the two (newsletter and magazine) have different target audiences.
[03:13] <jenda> The newsletter's audience covers well with the fridge's, methinks... whereas the mag would be intended mainly for new and enthusiastic users.
[03:13] <shawarma> I just downloaded the Ubuntu Server Guide from Lulu.com.. All the pages are blank apart from the line in the heading and a few symbols (list bullets and stuff). am i the only one seeing this?
[03:14] <mdke> shawarma: no, they don't work with evince
[03:14] <shawarma> mdke: doh.. :-)
[03:14] <mgalvin> they do, but at time (probably fairly often) stuff in the newsletter will likely be useful for the mag
[03:14] <mdke> jenda: it's easy to define different target audiences for stuff. I think a cool approach would be to ensure that the single project can target both audiences
[03:14] <shawarma> mdke: Any non-poppler based pdf viewer in ubuntu?
[03:15] <mdke> shawarma: acroread and kpdf work. You can also download pdfs that do work with evince from help.ubuntu.com, if you're interested in the material rather than the presentation
[03:15] <jenda> mgalvin, mdke, both agreed...
[03:15] <jenda> so why did the newsletter arise out of nowhere, I'm thinking... shall we merge the projects?
[03:16] <jenda> (shall we attempt to?)
[03:16] <mgalvin> it arose from a request from mdz and sabdfl
[03:16] <mgalvin> and JaneW
[03:16] <jenda> OK
[03:16] <mgalvin> so it started :)
[03:17] <mgalvin> kubuntu, edubuntu and desktop newsletters where around a bit and it seemed more logical to combine those efforts
[03:17] <jenda> You know what? I think you should write something like a mission statement - I'll get the mag people to do the same - and then we can think much more clearly about what we can do to make the two one.
[03:17] <mgalvin> that would be good
[03:17] <shawarma> mdke: Well, I was actually interested in seein exactly what the printed version looks like.
[03:17] <shawarma> mdke: I'll try with kpdf.
[03:17] <mdke> shawarma: the former then
[03:18] <shawarma> Who made the PDF's for lulu.com ? and more importantly: how?
[03:19] <jjesse> mdke made them
[03:19] <mdke> me, and with apache fop
[03:19] <shawarma> mdke: How are the ones on docs.ubuntu.com made?
[03:20] <shawarma> er... help.ubuntu.com, obviously.
[03:20] <mdke> (help.ubuntu.com) the same way
[03:20] <shawarma> Why do they work, then?
[03:20] <mdke> there are very few differences
[03:20] <mdke> one of the differences is that the lulu ones use embedded fonts
[03:20] <mdke> that seems to bother poppler/cairo
[03:20] <shawarma> I see.
[03:22] <jsgotangco> it just didn't come from "nowhere"
[03:27] <mgalvin> jenda: we kindda do already have a mission statement...
[03:27] <mgalvin> "Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter - Reporting all of this weeks Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu action.
[03:27] <mgalvin> "
[03:27] <jsgotangco> do you really need a subtitle?
[03:28] <jenda> There are many types of news, mgalvin. I was interested if we could compare what teh two prints would address and to whom.
[03:28] <jsgotangco> magazine vs. newsletter? lots
[03:28] <jsgotangco> a newsletter is supposed to be read in 10 minutes
[03:28] <jsgotangco> a magazine more
[03:28] <jenda> OK
[03:29] <mdke> dude, we're trying to merge the projects, not drive them apart
[03:29] <jenda> so you are against the merger, jsgotangco?
[03:29] <mdke> lets try and see common ground here
[03:29] <jenda> Well...
[03:29] <jsgotangco> im not going to read an email newsletter for 30 minutes
[03:29] <jenda> I had the feeling the newsletter is here for us to keep up with the increasing amount of ubuntu community traffic in a weekly newsletter...
[03:30] <mdke> how do you know the marketing team's plans for the magazine involve something more than that?
[03:30] <jsgotangco> me? no idea but a magazine is a composition of essays and newsbits
[03:31] <jenda> whereas the ubuntu mag was here to address the new users - the wide community, the type that reads the forums.
[03:31] <mdke> a magazine in general yeah, but the point is to go beyond names and find out what the projects actually have in common
[03:31] <mdke> I can't see the resources that the community has right no supporting two separate initiatives successfully
[03:31] <jenda> Tell them about what's new and snapping - what the new games that are playable under linux are, that there is an Ubuntu democrakey (when/if that is true)
[03:32] <jenda> Is the newsletter meant to be email-only?
[03:32] <mdke> jenda: that sounds exactly like some of the ideas that have been put forward for the newsletter
[03:32] <jenda> OK
[03:32] <jsgotangco> well the newsletter is primarily sent via email but also available in the wiki
[03:33] <jsgotangco> lots of news sites snag our announce-emails, lwn for instance
[03:33] <jenda> OK
[03:33] <jenda> The Mag was meant to be html and printable-pdf
[03:34] <mdke> don't get hung up on the format. you can do what you like with open source material
[03:35] <jsgotangco> honestly if you ask my opinion, if you're going through a route similiar to freesoftware magazine or Tux magazine, a monthly format can be quite hairy...
[03:35] <jsgotangco> those  2 magazines do it bi-monthly
[03:38] <mdke> jenda: don't you think that if the community is producing a newsletter, the marketing team should be involved?
[03:39] <mdke> it seems to me to be absolutely perfect
[03:39] <jsgotangco> by all means yes!
[03:41] <jenda> does that mean once in two months or twice a month?
[03:41] <jenda> The format is not important, check.
[03:42] <jsgotangco> once in two months that means 6 issues
[03:42] <jenda> of course
[03:42] <jenda> It should be involved -  if the newsletter is a marketing issue, of which i'm not sure.
[03:42] <mdke> weekly is more fun
[03:43] <jsgotangco> yes weekly is fun but it should be concise and readable in a short time
[03:43] <jenda> agreed
[03:43] <jenda> or - skippable-trough
[03:49] <mgalvin> people associate a "magazine" with what a traditional "magazine" is, the newsletter is what it is and people already have shown a great deal of interest in seeing it succeed the as what it is, and they like already, given the instability of past newsletter i think, for the community at large, it is in our best interest to stay the course...
[03:50] <jjesse> +1 mgalvin
[03:50] <mgalvin> thats not to say a mag cannot exist, i just don't think that at the core the two project at that similar in nature (although they can certainly share content)
[03:50] <mgalvin> s/at/are/
[03:50] <jjesse> seems to me that a  maganize would be closer to monthly like tux magazine is
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yes that KDE-lovin piece of !
[03:51] <jsgotangco> ...literary work!
[03:51] <mgalvin> hehe
[03:51] <mgalvin> jenda: i do like the idea of a mag, i am just very sceptical about merging the directly
[03:51] <mgalvin> s/the/them/
[03:52] <jenda> OK...
[03:53] <jenda> mdke, what's your stance?
[03:53] <mdke> just need to catch up, hang on
[03:54] <mdke> my stance is that the newsletter is on the right road, and the marketing team should get involved and help out
[03:55] <jsgotangco> yeah i mean, i don't mind if marketing take over the newsletter even
[03:55] <mdke> as for a separate magazine, I can't see there being enough resources to do that too, but if you think the marketing team is well organised and efficient, it might be possible. if not, I'd recommend starting by aiming low and helping out on the newsletter
[03:55] <jjesse> would intrest in the newsletter drive a monthly magazine?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> if the newsletter gets big enough
[03:56] <jsgotangco> but then
[03:56] <mgalvin> possibly
[03:56] <jsgotangco> the original aim of the newsletters were:
[03:56] <jsgotangco> 1) development related
[03:56] <jsgotangco> 2) community involvement related
[03:56] <jsgotangco> because
[03:57] <jsgotangco> a) traffic used to provide that
[03:57] <jsgotangco> b) ubuntu-news is dead so to speak
[03:57] <mgalvin> (example: the magazine isn't going to cover bugs, the newsletter does)
[03:57] <mdke> right, but many of the suggestions (e.g. "feature of the week") are common, I don't see it being difficult to find common ground and work on a single project
[03:57] <jsgotangco> USNs as well
[03:57] <jsgotangco> sure
[03:58] <jsgotangco> even if you just add feature or tip of the week
[03:58] <jsgotangco> that's 4 tips in a moth
[03:58] <jsgotangco> good enough
[04:09] <jenda> sorry back
[04:11] <jenda> Ok... perhaps it seems as the most sensible solution to develop content together and publish individually?
[04:18] <jsgotangco> i have one question that may irritate you if you dont mind
[04:25] <jeffsch> it seems to me that the newsletter and magazine are for different audiences, and therefore should have different content
[04:25] <jeffsch> the magazine is for the world at large
[04:25] <jeffsch> but the newsletter is more internal
[04:25] <jeffsch> the newsletter can have developer jargon, the magazine cannot
[04:26] <jeffsch> there would be little or no marketing in the newsletter, but the magazine would have lots of it
[04:30] <mgalvin> jeffsch: right
[04:31] <jjesse> +1 jeffsch
[04:31] <jsgotangco> have you watched LOTR how Gandalf beat trolls
[04:32] <mgalvin> i actually never watch those movies
[04:32] <jsgotangco> wow you just missed 10 hours of your life
[04:33] <mgalvin> :) well i started watching the first one and fell asleep so i didn't bother to watch the rest
[04:33] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:33] <mgalvin> maybe i will try to watch them some day
[04:35] <mdke> jeffsch: the point is good, but I don't think the resources are going to be available to run both, i feel that one item should do both jobs
[04:35] <jeffsch> we have the resources to run the newsletter, so we can do that
[04:35] <jsgotangco> i can't see the reason to limit them if they can do it
[04:35] <jeffsch> if marketing has the resources to run a magazine, then they can do that
[04:36] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:36] <jeffsch> they are two different audiences and have two different purposes
[04:36] <jsgotangco> happy to write for them if they could work it out
[04:37] <mdke> jeffsch: I think that is a bit stubborn. The content of the newsletter isn't fixed, it's been made abundantly clear that it is open to ideas about what sort of news and features to include
[04:38] <mdke> there is no reason it can't be made fun for both audiences
[04:38] <jsgotangco> i don't see the point of discouraging them to do their own thing
[04:38] <mdke> I'm not, I'm encouraging both groups to be more inclusive
[04:39] <mdke> obviously a magazine would also be for people who already use Ubuntu, so there can only be lots of common ground
[04:39] <mdke> that's what I think anyhows
[04:39] <jsgotangco> but you can't force them if they're not convinced to join
[04:39] <mdke> jsgotangco: that's not the problem. the problem is lack of flexibility from both sides about seeing common purposes, as I see it
[04:40] <mdke> anyway, no worries, each will sort it out
[04:40] <jsgotangco> if i can't finish reading an email in 10 or even 15 its not a newsletter at all
[04:42] <mdke> one always structures both newsletters and magaxines so that you can dip into what you are interested in, I don't see time being a problem. And applying a fixed idea to the words "newsletter" and "magazine" is also illusory I think
[04:42] <mgalvin> i think we are trying to be flexible, i think we all see the common ground you are talking about, i just think they are *different enough* for them to be different projects
[04:43] <mgalvin> mag more for users/community, newsletter for management/devs/community
[04:43] <mdke> if you realise that users = community, you see that they overlap
[04:44] <jsgotangco> up to what point?
[04:44] <mdke> well, one is a subset of the other
[04:44] <mgalvin> but not for devs and management, which carries a lot of weight
[04:44] <mdke> mgalvin: right, but the audience of one is wholly contained within the audience of the other
[04:45] <jsgotangco> let's not abstract things
[04:45] <mdke> erm
[04:45] <jsgotangco> they're entirely different whatever method we look at it
[04:45] <mdke> actually, if you read what I've just said, you can see that's not true jerome
[04:45] <jsgotangco> but that doesn't mean we're not flexible enough not to accomodate any stuff from them
[04:45] <mdke> i see your points, and agree with them, but I feel it's worth trying to get the marketing team on board here, they need to get their teeth into something and it's worth accomodating them on this project, given the ideas that have come into it from mdz and Mark
[04:46] <jsgotangco> like i said
[04:46] <jsgotangco> i dont mind if they take over a newsletter altogether
[04:46] <jsgotangco> it was our initial reaction when JaneW asked for it
[04:46] <jsgotangco> (me and mgalvin)
[04:47] <mgalvin> and the idea came down from mdz
[04:47] <mdke> you think he would be against including things for normal users?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> not at all
[04:48] <mgalvin> not at all
[04:48] <mgalvin> took the words out of my mouth ;)
[04:48] <mdke> ok, so habemus common audiences
[04:55] <jeffsch> me, i'm just throwing in my two cents. I prolly wont' have time to work on either one
[04:55] <mdke> I didn't mean to throw in any more than two cents
[04:55] <jeffsch> but it's important to consider the audience. If you don't, the audience will go away. And with no audience, there's no point
[04:55] <mdke> if I did, I'll blame it on the exchange rates
[04:56] <jeffsch> :)
[04:57] <jeffsch> sometimes if you try to address two different audiences with one publication, then the publication is useless to both
[04:57] <mgalvin> haha :)
[04:57] <mdke> yeah, that can happen, definitely
[04:57] <mgalvin> jeffsch: very true
[04:58] <mdke> but if both audiences are already covered in the plans for the NL...
[05:00] <mdke> changing the subject
[05:00] <mdke> shall we remove the PDFs from lulu as downloads?
[05:00] <mdke> a lot of people have been complaining they don't open in evince
[05:00] <mdke> and the ones on help.ubuntu.com do, so I think it is better to force people to get them there
[05:00] <mdke> also, the ones on help.u.c are A4 and better in general for on screen reading
[05:01] <jeffsch> do the available pdfs on lulu have to be the same file that the book is produced from?
[05:01] <mgalvin> mdke: +1 (remove em to avoid confusion)
[05:01] <jeffsch> can lulu have one pdf for printing book, and one for downloading?
[05:02] <jeffsch> if not, then I say remove them
[05:02] <mdke> jeffsch: only if I create separate projects for each
[05:02] <mdke> which I'm not mad about, tbh
[05:03] <jeffsch> it's pretty embarassing though... a book about ubuntu that you can't read in ubuntu
[05:03] <mdke> quite
[05:04] <jeffsch> has anyone filed a but about it?
[05:04] <jeffsch> bug, that is
[05:04] <mdke> yes
[05:04] <mdke> but it's not a bug that will ever been fixed in dapper
[05:05] <jeffsch> what!?!?!? what the heck does LTS mean then?
[05:05] <mdke> it means no bug fixes which require a new api of poppler ;)
[05:05] <jeffsch> now that's really embarassing
[05:06] <mgalvin> that sucks (the magnitude of the change that is)
[05:06] <mdke> guess these pdfs are uncommon
[05:06] <mdke> so you guys agree I should pull em?
[05:06] <mgalvin> it the embedded fonts causing the issue right?
[05:06] <mgalvin> yes
[05:06] <mdke> seems so
[05:07] <mgalvin> i would pull em
[05:07] <jeffsch> so it's "we'll support for 3 years, as long as we don't think it's too much work"
[05:08] <mgalvin> what else is effected by the poppler lib, would it be that significant an impact
[05:08] <mdke> jeffsch: they'll have plenty of work backporting firefox security fixes, don't worry
[05:08] <mgalvin> probably not worth worrying about, they will likely not fix it in dapper
[05:08] <mdke> but "support" doesn't mean fix all bugs
[05:11] <mdke> pulling the pdfs also has another advantage
[05:11] <mdke> we'll get actual statistics about who is buying them, rather than total numbers which include downloads
[05:13] <mgalvin> thats a good stat to know
[05:19] <jsgotangco> well good night folks
[05:20] <mdke> night
[06:36] <Burgwork> hey LaserJock
[06:36] <Burgwork> LaserJock, seems I dodged the "tim marching orders"
[06:37] <LaserJock> hm?
[06:37] <Burgwork> check your email
[06:37] <LaserJock> doing it right now
[06:39] <LaserJock> wow, he is an administrator
[06:43] <Burgwork> LaserJock, he can give marching orders, he just likes to change them 5 minutes later, or give marching orders to for random jobs to random people
[06:43] <LaserJock> hehe, that sounds about right
[06:43] <LaserJock> I'm actually suprised that mvo didn't have more things. I'm pretty pleased
[06:47] <robotgeek> hmm, i wonder when is next time
[06:49] <Burgwork> robotgeek, next time?
[06:50] <robotgeek> was looking thru my scrollbacks, Madpilot had mentioned a script about me and next time
[06:51] <mdke> he means when we add more translations
[06:51] <mdke> i think
[06:53] <Burgwork> ah
[08:15] <Burgwork> ok, people in my office were just yelling at each other :(
[08:16] <LaserJock> hmm, over work related things?
[08:16] <Burgwork> yep, one of my colleagues at my boss
[08:18] <LaserJock> yikes
[08:18] <Burgwork> he is an ex-construction worker, so it is scary when he gets mad (never seen it before)
[08:19] <LaserJock> nothing flying yet?
[08:19] <LaserJock> I hope
[08:19] <Burgwork> no, it is now really really quiet
[08:20] <LaserJock> k
[09:34] <LaserJock> guys, do we want any doc specs for Edgy?
[09:35] <LaserJock> Monday is the deadline
[09:43] <theCore> would it be useful?
[09:43] <LaserJock> not sure
[09:44] <LaserJock> hmm, did apress do an Ubuntu book?
[09:44] <theCore> maybe it would be better to just work on the docs instead of losing time describing them
[09:46] <LaserJock> perhaps
[09:46] <LaserJock> but a good discussion about wheither a doc should be done or not, or how to implement it might be nice
[10:20] <Burgwork> LaserJock, yes, they did
[10:20] <LaserJock> Burgwork: ah, I saw an apress guy was going to Paris
[10:21] <Burgwork> the book is not the beginners book is purports to be
[10:21] <Burgwork> the english one at least
[10:21] <LaserJock> more advanced?
[10:21] <Burgwork> yes
[10:21] <Burgwork> reverts to cli too much
[10:22] <LaserJock> ahh
[10:23] <Burgwork> and there is a quite quote where he wonders why peolpe are afriad of the cli and how they shouldn
[10:23] <Burgwork> 't be
[10:23] <LaserJock> well, to some degree that is true, but it isn't the way to win people over
[10:24] <Burgwork> no, and that is not what you put in a beginners book
[10:24] <LaserJock> certainly not
[10:25] <LaserJock> you shouldn't say things like "I wonder why people don't ..." because then that just shows you don't know your audience very well, IMO
[10:51] <jenda> Anyone know about a bit of reading on Ubuntu on the Laptop? General stuff... some introduction...
[11:19] <mdke> LaserJock: anyway you should definitely hook up with that guy and talk with him
[11:24] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I was thinking
[11:24] <LaserJock> I'm certainly hoping for some doc discussions at Paris
[11:26] <mdke> I think the main challenge for edgy, from a desktop perspective at least, is whether we are going to cling onto the idea of writing books, or we are happy to move away to a more decentralised help system
[11:27] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:27] <mdke> this moin convertion thing should allow us to bring in lots of articles, and it will allow us to write a real help system, if we want to
[11:28] <mdke> but that would probably mean binning the idea of writing books, or alternatively, trying to maintain both
[11:28] <LaserJock> hmm (again)
[11:30] <LaserJock> is there anything that should be a spec for Paris?
[11:30] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure how doc type specs relate
[11:30] <mdke> we didn't really do any last time
[11:30] <mdke> except for BetterWikiDocs, which was done after the conference
[11:32] <mdke> cool, we've sold 10 books since I removed the pdfs earlier today
[11:32] <mdke> go lulu
[11:34] <mdke> 2 of which the packaging guide :) nice


[03:39] <avis> there are 4 avis cloned using my cloak please bust freenode texas fpr spying on all my conversations.
[03:40] <avis> now there is 6 more avis and they are marines
[03:40] <avis> $700,000
[03:55] <stlsaint> what?


[05:11] <HedgeMage> ping, highvoltage
[14:13] <bencrisford> afternoon
[15:00] <isforinsects> clear
[16:42] <mhall119> highvoltage: do you know where Ubiquity get's its release name and number from?
[17:42] <highvoltage> mhall119: I don't, at a guess I think it's one of the files outside of the acual casper image
[17:43] <highvoltage> mhall119: #ubuntu-installer folk might be able to tell you... that is, if any of them are around today :)
[17:54] <mhall119> thanks highvoltage
[17:54] <mhall119> I'm wonding if it uses lsb-release
[18:01] <highvoltage> it doesn't


[20:01] <erUSUL> anyone know the situation with the ubuntu keyserver? should we change the factoids to use mit's keyserver?
[21:16] <erUSUL> ikonia: hope you know more french than me. but "merde" and "files de putes" is understable to any latin language  speaker...
[21:16] <ikonia> erUSUL: I got the jist


[00:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#3345 closed: project_loader, formatting_utils: take empty env values into account <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3345>
[00:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#3390 closed: project_loader, meta, formatting_utils: account for empty env <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3390>
[08:33] <mup> PR snapd#9705 closed: devicestate: add runFDESetupHook() helper <Skip spread> <Squash-merge> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9705>


[12:56] <byonk> https://twitter.com/jserv/status/301162091438542848?uid=575182519&iid=49027cbf-e542-48b4-bccf-6cda574d4999&nid=46+139+20130212
[15:35] <filePeter> 你好
[18:29] <filePeter> How long will Chinese New Year last? Will it be possible to reach people in Companies on Monday? Thanks!
[18:30] <filePeter> 謝謝 I mean. ;-)


[07:03] <eugenio_> hi during the ubuntu server 18.04 installation I setup two raid1. one for sda1+sdb1 = md0 as / and the second sda2+sdb2 = md1 as /home. However, I was not able to setup md0 as bootable partition, and then I got busybox-initramfs error, can you help me?
[09:34] <jamespage> morning cpaelzer
[09:35] <jamespage> I was going to drop the 32 bit archs from ceph for cosmic; however I then realized how may reverse-depends there are of librados and librdb
[09:35] <jamespage> so putting them back but it will take me a while to sort out the 32 bit builds...
[09:52] <cpaelzer> hi jamespage
[09:53] <cpaelzer> thanks for the FYI
[09:53] <cpaelzer> is there anything on this you need me to do?
[09:57] <cpaelzer> jamespage: you reming me that I wanted to ask you if you think https://mail.openvswitch.org/pipermail/ovs-dev/2018-August/350437.html is a problem or if we can just wait for things to get into the usual released versions
[09:57] <cpaelzer> actually I just checked the latest packaging branch and we don't have the broken code
[09:57] <cpaelzer> so it might only be an issue if merging a newer upstream which has the bad code but not yet the fix
[09:57] <cpaelzer> what are the openvswitch current plans for now jamespage?
[09:58] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I was working on 2.9.2 but having trouble with testsuite reliablility
[09:58] <jamespage> oh no I did upload that already
[09:59] <cpaelzer> the offending patch of the issue I mentioned is of a few days ago
[09:59] <cpaelzer> and not yet released
[09:59] <cpaelzer> so it would be resolved on 2.9.3 or any other new versison I'd think
[09:59] <cpaelzer> yeah I see 2.9.2 in proposed
[10:00] <cpaelzer> is it hanging on said testsuite issues?
[10:13] <mwhudson> jamespage: hey, do you know anything about ceph not building extensions for python3.7?
[10:18] <mwhudson> huh uh forcing use of gcc-7 on arm because of bugs in gcc-6 seems out of date :)
[10:32] <jamespage> mwhudson: hmm
[10:32] <jamespage> mwhudson: I do not
[10:33] <jamespage> mwhudson: we can probably drop the gcc-7 bits for arm64 now
[10:33] <jamespage> that was more for the auto-backports to xenial
[10:33] <jamespage> which for mimic (as in cosmic) is not a concern
[10:47] <mwhudson> jamespage: maybe it should just not depend on python3-all-dev then :)
[10:47] <mwhudson> would be the easiest way to get it off http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.7-add.html
[14:11] <cryptodan> nacc: whislock I just read something interesting: https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/drivers/driversdetails?driverId=X3P75 look at D703 referencing drive taken offline under certain circumstances.  I have D703 drives in my server
[14:38] <cryptodan> nacc: whislock and yup my drives are listed under that firmware fix for the drives.  So I will create a bootable cd in windows and update the firmware on all my drives then do a test of ubuntu 16.04 this weekend and see if I have the same issues
[16:15] <nacc> cryptodan_mobile: seems reasonalbe
[16:16] <leftyfb> I'm trying to run a PXE install on a UEFI client. I've got the PXE install working fine on BIOS clients, but the furthest I can get with UEFI is booting using the grubnetx64.efi.signed and being dumped to a GRUB prompt. Do I really need to rewrite my pxelinux.cfg in grub for this to all work for UEFI clients?
[16:16] <leftyfb> hi nacc :)
[16:19] <genii> leftyfb: Maybe look at https://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=PXELINUX#UEFI for ideas
[16:20] <nacc> leftyfb: does that imply it's simply not loading a config file?
[16:20] <leftyfb> nacc: yeah, it's looking for grub/grub.cfg among some other grub files
[16:21] <leftyfb> I don't even have a grub at all. Up until now it hasn't been necessary
[16:23] <nacc> leftyfb: can you describe the config of your BIOS clients?
[16:25] <leftyfb> nacc: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/szs9xYNvMT/
[16:25] <leftyfb> that's my pxelinux.0/default
[16:25] <leftyfb> not sure what other config you're looking for
[16:26] <leftyfb> sorry, pxelinux.cfg/default
[16:27] <nacc> leftyfb: so direct boot of kernel?
[16:28] <leftyfb> yep, not need for interaction. It's all done headless
[16:28] <leftyfb> not/no
[16:28] <nacc> leftyfb: and what file is being serv ed over dhcp?
[16:28] <leftyfb> pxelinux.0 for BIOS clients
[16:31] <nacc> leftyfb: i think you need to server out some efi file, iirc
[16:31] <nacc> syslinux.efi ?
[16:31] <nacc> and then can do the same config file, iirc
[16:31] <leftyfb> I'm trying that now
[16:32] <leftyfb> from genii's link
[16:32] <nacc> ah yeah, that's what i'm remembering
[16:32] <leftyfb> I HATE EFI btw
[16:32] <leftyfb> until now I've always had the option of disabling it
[16:38] <nacc> other than this, what is particularly different?
[16:39] <leftyfb> are you kidding?
[16:40] <nacc> leftyfb: I mean, in practice, I don't know why you "hate EFI"
[16:40] <leftyfb> it's a massive mess working out how to do different installations with EFI
[16:40] <leftyfb> it's always a mess every time I attempt it
[16:40] <nacc> is that because folks aren't spec compliant?
[16:41] <leftyfb> no idea
[16:42] <leftyfb> And if that's the case, then it's still a mess. The blame might not be on EFI, but on the vendor. But in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't make my stuff work :)
[16:43] <nacc> right
[16:43] <nacc> i just recall seeing the same thing with BIOS before
[16:45] <cryptodan> I have 2 machines with EFI and it was painless to setup.  one machine is dual boot with windows 10 and linux mint
[16:46] <leftyfb> "works for me" doesn't help people who have issues
[16:48] <cryptodan> on my lap top I had to change it from booting the windows efi boot manager to booting the ubuntu efi manager in the bios
[17:02] <eugenio_> hi, I'installing ubuntu-server18.04, the installation hangs at update-grub, do you know why?
[17:02] <leftyfb> EFI problems? ;)
[17:05] <eugenio_> leftyfb, did you answer to me?
[17:08] <moffa> Anyone know why http_proxy variable isn't used unless its run on the command as apt? (ubuntu 18.04) It makes no sense
[17:16] <nacc> moffa: evidence?
[17:17] <moffa> Well, just experience. When I run sudo echo $http_proxy, the variable is shown. But apt will hang.  If I run http_proxy=http://proxyinfo apt-get update it works
[18:36] <moffa> blah it was the sudoers file, I didn't a space between http_proxy and https_proxy not sure why it still echo'd the variable but its fixed.
[21:59] <pztrick> Any word on when http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts will point to 18.04 point release?
[22:00] <pztrick> This file is used by server installs to check for next LTS release.
[22:00] <pztrick> AFAIK
[22:05] <tomreyn> pztrick: that's right, and no, not known, but 'soon'
[22:06] <hehehe> hi sarnold
[22:06] <hehehe> are u here?
[22:06] <hehehe> i was playing with that abandonware more :D
[22:06] <hehehe> hehe
[22:06] <hehehe> it uses a lot of outdated packages


[02:26] <bluesabre> ochosi, Unit193: sounds like a package
[02:27] <Unit193> Hmm?
[02:28] <bluesabre> about a tagged release, and medium importance
[02:29] <Unit193> Ah, it wasn't tagged exactly, just had utopic rather than UNRELEASED.
[02:30] <bluesabre> ah, right
[03:36] <Unit193> Is Andrew still interested in helping out Xubuntu in Debian?
[04:48] <xubuntu688> Can anyone in here help me ? I'm having a lightdm problem.
[07:56] <ochosi> Noskcaj: what's the status of upower0.99 in xubuntu utopic? i've seen you've set session to fix released, so we're carrying that patch from bugzilla and it works?
[08:38] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Session doesn't use upower really.
[08:38] <Noskcaj> but the actual transition will be this month
[08:39] <ochosi> hm ok
[08:39] <ochosi> i thought that for suspend/hibernate it used to use it
[08:54] <Noskcaj> ochosi, One of our patches changed that to logind
[08:55] <ochosi> ah right, we're using the logind patch
[08:55] <ochosi> in that case yeah, no more upower
[09:01] <ochosi> bluesabre: i presume you never received a reply from nick about a settings release?
[10:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: correct
[10:05] <ochosi> okay
[10:06] <ochosi> planning to do the release anyway at some point or do you wanna wait?
[10:07] <bluesabre> not sure what would be "right"
[10:55] <brainwash> ochosi: mark bug 1306898 as invalid (works as intended) or wishlist?
[10:56] <brainwash> looks like it's time again to do some cleanup on launchpad =S
[10:56] <brainwash> or maybe mark as incomplete? damn, what to do.. what to do..
[11:00] <knome> it is not incomplete at least
[11:00] <brainwash> ye, only an upstream report is "missing" :P
[11:04] <brainwash> I thought that cleaning up stuff might help with the bug bounty idea
[11:05] <brainwash> sadly I lost track of the current progress :/
[11:16] <ochosi> brainwash: that one can be closed as invalid
[11:16] <ochosi> you already pointed the person upstream, but it really is fine that way
[11:45] <brainwash> ochosi: alright, done
[11:46] <brainwash> next one bug 1297893
[11:46] <brainwash> xubuntu-default-settings overrides the dpi setting for the xubuntu session (96 dpi)
[11:47] <brainwash> but the normal Xfce session relies on proper auto detection
[11:47] <brainwash> should the Xfce session also just use 96 dpi?
[11:49] <brainwash> it's an upstream thing, but I'm not sure yet if we should redirect it
[11:52] <brainwash> .. or simply patch the xfce4-settings package downstream
[11:56] <brainwash> next!
[11:57] <brainwash> ochosi: do you feel like fixing this bug 1309466 ?
[11:58] <brainwash> maybe it's not even an issue anymore in the new release 1.3.0
[12:33] <ochosi> brainwash: that xfpm bug shouldn't be an issue anymore, and we don't plan on doing a 1.2.0 maintenance release
[12:35] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, can you please close this report
[12:36] <brainwash> any thoughts on the dpi bug?
[12:39] <brainwash> Xubuntu uses 96 dpi by default, so why not use it as default for Xfce? could it cause any trouble?
[12:45] <ochosi> can't set it to wontfix as usual
[12:45] <ochosi> added a comment, that should be enough
[12:45] <ochosi> not sure about the dpi, gotta work now, ttyl
[12:46] <brainwash> thanks, I'll file an upstream report for the dpi one :)
[12:47] <brainwash> so it can be discussed somewhere else and not here :D
[12:50] <bluesabre> related: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2014/07/fonts-in-current-era.html
[12:50] <bluesabre> heading to work, bbl
[17:00] <ochosi> wb ali1234
[17:27] <ali1234> hello


[10:46] <mup> PR snapd#12143 opened: wrappers: journal namespaces did not honor journal.persistent <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12143>
[12:46] <mup> PR snapd#12113 closed: daemon: return `storage-encryption` in /systems/<label> reply <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12113>
[12:51] <mup> PR snapd#12115 closed: interfaces: add udisks2-support <Created by valentindavid> <Closed by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12115>
[12:51] <mup> PR snapd#12144 opened: i/b/udisks2: multiple fixes <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12144>
[13:31] <mup> PR snapd#11128 closed: include/lk: update LK recovery environment definition to include devi… <Simple 😃> <Created by kubiko> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11128>
[14:57] <mup> PR snapd#12139 closed: tests: fix preseed tests for arm systems <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12139>
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#11797 closed: seed: add support to load auto import assertion <Created by kubiko> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11797>
[19:58] <mup> PR snapd#12107 closed: sandbox/cgroup: don't check V1 cgroup if V2 is active <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12107>


[07:12] <elky> mado in #ubuntu decided to PM me to ask asl
[07:13] <rww> can i kickban it
[07:13] <rww> (j/k)
[07:14] <elky> if you want to try request it cease asl-ing random people in pm
[07:14] <elky> where by random i suspect means "whois'd to find the feminine realnames"
[07:15] <rww> can i asl it
[07:15] <elky> sure
[07:16] <rww> done
[07:16] <elky> make sure they know you're 'not asking' thus implying demanding
[07:16] <rww> 07:16:20 <mado> 24 male egypt
[07:16] <elky> lolol
[07:16] <rww> idk what to do now
[07:16] <elky> i can think of inappropriate things
[07:38]  * DJones renews membership of irc-ubuntu-ops team for another 12 months
[19:07] <Pici> You know theres going to be a problem when a nick starts to autocomplete in the bantracker search field.
[19:32] <Jordan_U> It would be a cool feature if that could be added via AJAX fancyness rather than just the browser remembering what you've previously entered.
[19:33] <Jordan_U> Would probably be difficult to get the sql query to be fast/light enough to be practical, and I'm not volunteering to implement it, so it's probably not going to happen :)
[23:00] <tsimpson> Jordan_U: correct and correct
[23:00] <tsimpson> we'd probably need to move to a "real" database server rather than sqlite for it anyway
[23:01] <Pici> thats why you should use something faster, like an in-memory key-value store instead.
[23:02] <tsimpson> maybe, but it'll have to be stored somewhere so different programs can access the data
[23:04] <tsimpson> if we could get rid of the log storage, that'd seriously help
[23:05] <tsimpson> *storage in the DB
[23:21] <rww> !webscale
[23:21] <rww> !webscale-#ubuntu-offtopic


[11:16] <rbasak> mwhudson: around? You touched popularity-contest in the standard seed; were you involved in the packaging as well? It's grown a Recommends on default-mta, so an upgrade from Focal to Jammy now pulls in Postfix, when nothing did before.
[11:16] <rbasak> Can we just drop the recommend in Jammy perhaps?
[11:17] <rbasak> slyon doesn't seem to be online
[12:00] <rbasak> ^ LP: #1968874
[15:49] <bdmurray> GunnarHj: are you familiar with setting the gnome keyboard layout? If so do you mind having a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/419219
[16:03] <GunnarHj> bdmurray: I am, but not in the context of the installer, so that MP is still a bit over my head. I have spoken to bdrung about it, and to the extent I understand it I think it looks really promising.
[16:03] <GunnarHj> My thought is to merge it soon after the 22.04 release to test in the daily builds, and if it proves to work, we will be able to ship it with 22.04.1.
[16:05] <bdmurray> Well, I'd lean towards being more bold. ;-)
[16:06] <GunnarHj> bdmurray: I would really not want to stop you then. :)
[16:08] <bdmurray> GunnarHj: Would you mind commenting on the MP for the record? I'm not look for an approval just another view of it.
[16:09] <GunnarHj> bdmurray: Ok, will do.
[19:55] <vorlon> hggdh: fyi gmail bounced my mail to you (I happen to have just noticed there's an open RT for just such an issue); hopefully you still got the mail via lists.ubuntu.com?
[20:06] <rbasak> For bug 1958720, I've reviewed and satisfied myself that removing the Breaks on python from python3-six and python3-yaml is what we want and won't cause any collateral damage. Could someone peer-review my logic please, before I upload?
[20:06] <rbasak> I guess this needs to go in before final freeze.
[20:06] <rbasak> See comment 12 for my logic.
[20:06] <rbasak> utkarsh2102 or ahasenack maybe please? ^
[20:08] <tumbleweed> +1 to removing those breaks
[20:08] <rbasak> Thanks!
[20:11] <rbasak> Uploaded, and unping Utkarsh and Andreas
[20:11] <hggdh> vorlon: checking
[20:12] <utkarsh2102> rbasak: could've looked as well
[20:12] <utkarsh2102> but tumbleweed got it handled! Hooray!
[20:13] <utkarsh2102> \o/
[20:16] <hggdh> vorlon: it got stuck in the list's spam control. I released it and will look at it now
[20:26] <hggdh> vorlon: bryceh has not logged in Libera for the last 18 weeks
[20:26] <rbasak> hggdh: are you looking for bryyce?
[20:26] <hggdh> (although I released the email, and it made its way to the archive, I have not yet received it
[20:27] <hggdh> rbasak: :-) indeed
[20:27] <vorlon> bryyce and bryceh are both recognized by nickserv, but it looks like he hasn't logged in to either
[20:27] <vorlon> bryyce: do you identify? :)
[20:28] <hggdh> bryyce is logged in
[20:28] <vorlon> ah
[20:28] <hggdh> oops, not logged in, but present, sorry
[20:28] <vorlon> right
[20:28] <vorlon> been trying to identify likely victims to be ops for the channel, following last week's pleasantries
[20:28] <hggdh> so, same situation as the other two: they have to identify to services first
[20:29]  * vorlon nods
[20:29] <hggdh> vorlon: since we are on it, which nicks would you like to have +f (able to add/remove moderators)
[20:30] <vorlon> hggdh: is 'moderators' different from 'ops'?
[20:30] <hggdh> no, one and the same
[20:31] <hggdh> rbasak: thank you,BTW
[20:32] <vorlon> hggdh: ok uh probably myself and rbasak as the active members of the TB on that list.  (could also add sil2100, I only didn't include him because he disconnects from IRC at end of work day)
[20:32] <bryyce> vorlon, hi I'm here
[20:34] <bryyce> I was not swift enough to snag my freenode nicks when libera started up, so someone else got bryce and bryceh :-(
[20:34] <vorlon> oh
[20:35] <bryyce> but I don't use irc for anything except #ubuntu-* so *shrug*
[20:35] <hggdh> vorlon: you and rbasak have +f, which should allow you to maintain the ops list. sil2100 has been added as well
[20:35] <vorlon> nickserv seems to think bryyce and bryceh are somehow connected?
[20:35] <vorlon> hggdh: cheers
[20:35] <hggdh> anything, please let us know
[20:35] <rbasak> hggdh: thanks!
[20:36] <bryyce> well I can check easily enough
[20:36] <rbasak> FWIW I don't really know how to operate IRC special powers. But I'm happy to be a keyholder in case of emergency. Just that someone else I trust would need tell me what to do.
[20:36] <hggdh> yes, the nicks bryyce and bryceh are under the same account
[20:37] <hggdh> rbasak: if in need, you can /join #ubuntu-irc and ask there. Or ping me (caveat: US Central business time)
[20:38] <rbasak> ack. Thanks!
[20:38] <bryceh> ah right, it's 'bryce' that I lost.  I have 'bryceh' and 'bryyce' registered.
[20:38] <bryceh> sorry for the confusion
[20:58] <bdrung> bdmurray, will you review and merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/419219 before the final freeze?
[21:02] <bdmurray> bdrung: Yes, although the previous upload of ubiquity is failing to build from source...
[21:04] <bdrung> bdmurray, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/596466829/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-amd64.ubiquity_22.04.14_BUILDING.txt.gz is not really helpful for explaining what went wrong
[21:13] <bdrung> bdmurray, ubiquity 22.04.14 builds fine locally
[21:13] <bdrung> with sbuild
[21:15] <bdmurray> It built fine for me locally too but then failed in autopkgtest
[21:16] <mwhudson> rbasak: oh gosh, i thought we'd dropped it from standard
[21:46] <rbasak> mwhudson: we had, but it's still present when upgrading
[21:55] <bdmurray> rbasak: was the upgrade done using ubuntu-release-upgrader?
[21:59] <bdmurray> I ask as popularity-contest is in the demoted file
[22:32] <mwhudson> rbasak: ah
[22:33] <mwhudson> bdrung: good job on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/419219, i spent so long failing to reproduce that one
[22:49] <bdrung> mwhudson, thanks.
[22:57] <rbasak> bdmurray: using do-release-upgrade, so yes I think? AIUI, do-release-upgrade does offer to remove it, but that happens at the end, after it gets upgraded first.
[22:57] <bdmurray> FTR a rebuild of the existing ubiquity in -proposed fixed it
[22:58] <bdmurray> rbasak: I guess that makes sense some amount of sense
[22:58] <rbasak> Now it's landed let me check the actual issue is fixed


[13:40] <htpc_> !mythgame
[13:41] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about mythgame
[13:42] <htpc_> Does anyone have mythgame working with fceux (or any nes emulator)?
[17:40] <htpc_> anyone have to change .Xauthority perms to get game emulators to work?
[17:45] <htpc_> Steve-Goodey: is it normal to have to change .Xauthority perms in mythbuntu?
[17:52] <Steve-Goodey> htpc_: Not sure, what makes you thing I'll know? :-)
[18:08] <Number6> Hey guys. I'm on 12.04 Mythbuntu. It looks like upgradinf lightdm broke a number of things for me
[18:29] <raven_> hello
[18:31] <raven_> trying to set up a hauppauge nova-t stick 3 (2040:7070) in backend on xubuntu 12.04 it gets the model description now but no way to select "video source" and to scan - any ideas?
[18:48] <Patrickdk> no idea what you did, lightdm works perfectly fine for me
[19:01] <Number6> Patrickdk: Some update seems to have horribly broken things :-(
[19:02] <Number6> I think I might just reinstall Mythbuntu. Great way to spend a Sunday!
[19:04] <raven_> Number6, tnx but already solved - now i am trying to find out why the frontend does not connect to the backend mysql
[19:18] <raven_> still no connection to mysql backend - edited my.conf and mysql.txt already with restarts - nothing!! need help please


[06:28] <chesedo> inetpro: yeah I've been seeing your FP's in InfoSec
[07:16] <chesedo> ...or maybe they were LP's


[08:20] <KaLeZ> hello everyone good night..
[08:20] <KaLeZ> problems installing ubuntu 7.04
[08:21] <KaLeZ> somebody online..?
[08:21] <KaLeZ> stalls in getting trm290 ide driver..
[08:25] <KaLeZ> when I try to install from LiveCd, in the install option, I just get a blank screen..
[10:14] <superm1> joejaxx, are you here?


[14:36] <dpm> hi documenters, we're organizing the Ubuntu Open Week next week. Would anyone be up for an IRC session on how to contribute to Ubuntu documentation?
[14:36] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Timetable


[00:29] <DarkTrick> hello
[00:29] <DarkTrick> I run `LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8` to change my locale to German
[00:29] <DarkTrick> `export LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8` *
[00:30] <DarkTrick> It's installed (checked it with `locale -a`). Running `date +A%` works fine. But other programs don't translate. E.g. mousepad, nautilus, kolourpaint
[01:09] <Saito552> hello
[02:16] <dyeplexer> is the upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 available now?
[02:28] <guiverc> dyeplexer, it's been available for some time if forced, it's not offered yet though, refer https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/17604
[02:28] <guiverc> Ubuntu blog have provided a guide for forcing it if you don't want to wait
[02:29] <dyeplexer> guiverc: Okay, thanks


[02:45] <smooth-texan> question:  how should this be handled?
[02:45] <smooth-texan> Bug #1038326
[02:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1038326 in apt "uy.archive.ubuntu.com does not works well" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1038326
[02:46] <smooth-texan> I don't think it should be a bug per se...
[02:46] <smooth-texan> put looks like something that needs to be escalated to cannonical
[02:46] <smooth-texan> but*
[03:55] <micahg> smooth-texan: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors#Communication
[03:55] <micahg> smooth-texan: uy.a.u.c isn't a Canonical mirror
[03:57] <smooth-texan> micahg: thanks
[16:21] <penguin42> hmm, that's embarrassing; triaging old bugs marked as new and I find one of mine that I reported, and fixed - and it's still marked as new
[17:58] <qdb> is there ubuntu developers channel?
[18:00] <penguin42> there is #ubuntu-devel - but what do you actually want to ask?
[18:02] <qdb> i want to read some info, explanation, about that update works other way in 12.04
[18:02] <qdb> sometimes it looks like it updates in background
[18:02] <qdb> it lock install process, several processes work, even if update manager is closed
[18:03] <penguin42> you could try in there; although it's a bit quiet at the weekends
[18:03] <qdb> thank you
[18:05]  * penguin42 rotfls at the user stories on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-update-manager
[19:03] <penguin42> do we actually care about bugs in g++-4.4 - the package is still in Quantal - not sure why; perhaps something build depends on it
[19:03] <penguin42> bug 769601
[19:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 769601 in gcc-4.4 "libstdc++, debug mode: resizing a vector doesn't update capacity" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769601


[14:46] <dupingping> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dupingping86/
[14:46] <dupingping> It looks good?
[14:51] <dupingping> How about http://people.ubuntu.com/~dupingping86/trusty.html
[14:51] <dupingping> This site design is beautiful?
[14:52] <dupingping> This is test page i made.
[15:10] <dupingping> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dupingping86/
[15:10] <dupingping> This site design is beautiful?
[15:15] <tsimonq2> dupingping: Hi! Are you the new Ubuntu member?
[15:15] <dupingping> tsimonq2, yes, right.
[15:15] <tsimonq2> hi! congratulations! :)
[15:15] <dupingping> tsimonq2, hi, nice to meet you!
[15:16] <dupingping> tsimonq2, my design idea is good?
[15:16] <tsimonq2> dupingping: I don't have my membership yet
[15:16] <tsimonq2> yes! :)
[15:16] <tsimonq2> not bad at all!
[15:17] <dupingping> tsimonq2, wow, thank you.
[15:17] <dupingping> tsimonq2, do you develop ubuntu website?
[15:17] <tsimonq2> no, but I know how
[15:17] <dupingping> oh, yes.
[15:17] <tsimonq2> HTML and CSS that is
[15:17] <dupingping> yes, and PHP and DB.
[15:18] <dupingping> and Javascript.
[15:18] <tsimonq2> dupingping: so I know how to apply for membership, but what happens when you get it?
[15:18] <dupingping> It may be written in Python.
[15:19] <tsimonq2> dupingping: oh cool! I know half of that! XD
[15:20] <dupingping> :D tsimonq2. I joined to ubuntu members team at the launchpad.net after got membership.
[15:20] <tsimonq2> dupingping: oh, so then did they get your email and such set up?
[15:20] <dupingping> Oh, it's just automatically have done.
[15:21] <dupingping> When i become a member of Ubuntu, I am became a member of Ubuntu Member Team at the launchpad.net.
[15:22] <tsimonq2> ok XD
[15:22] <tsimonq2> nice
[15:22] <tsimonq2> lagging severly in this channel, brb
[15:23] <tsimonq2> o/
[15:23] <dupingping> lol
[15:55] <tsimonq2> dupingping: so what did you do to contribute to get your membership?
[15:55] <dupingping> many.
[15:55] <dupingping> for example. at the askubuntu.com
[15:55] <dupingping> i gave good answers and reviews.
[15:56] <dupingping> also i created two softwares on ubuntu software center.
[15:56] <tsimonq2> 0.0
[15:56] <tsimonq2> woah
[15:56] <tsimonq2> which ones?