[08:47] <Gunirus> afk
[22:02] <mcisbackuk> When is the next scheduled class?
[22:19] <plavcik> see /topic
[22:26] <nalioth> plavcik: he's been gone :|


[00:36] <karlnashville> Hey folks, i hope everyone is doing well...
[02:31] <user|66> Hi, does anyone know how to display a pre-login banner message with SDDM or LightDM that also allows a XDMCP connection?
 How do I install PSPP on my Kubuntu System? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/48dd8ff5/file_52561.jpg
 https://www.gnu.org/software/pspp/
 I did what it said here
[06:32] <valorie> !info pspp
[06:32] <valorie> should be installable then
[06:33] <valorie> `sudo apt install pspp`
[06:34] <valorie> @SadddBoi ^^
[06:53] <TomTom> Hmm could somebody explain me how all the multimonitor stuff is supposed to work in kde? after a restart i lost all my panels and can not add a new one. i dont get them back. not in cloning mode, nor extension or just a single screen...
[07:00] <TomTom> hmm i had to remove ~/.config/plasmashellrc to get my panels back
[11:01] <mparillo> cbreak: Yes, you can have a different desktop wallpaper for each Activity.
 Hello.
 I have a problem with moving files to trash.
 Moving files to trash on an NTFS partition is painfully slow, and the file is moved to both the .Trash-1000 folder in the NTFS partition and the Trash folder in the root directory.
 I moved a folder that's a couple of GBs to trash and it's been moving it for about 8 minutes and it still hasn't finished.
 Packages not required to boot kbuntu (re @IrcsomeBot: <Dragnslcr> Depends on what you mean by "bloat software")
 Packages not required to boot kubuntu (re @IrcsomeBot: <Dragnslcr> Depends on what you mean by "bloat software")
[12:15] <cbreak> mparillo: I don't care about activities
[12:15] <cbreak> they're annoying to use
[12:16] <Maik> cbreak: was the video of any use?
[12:18] <cbreak> Maik: no
[12:18] <cbreak> it doesn't discuss virtual desktops, just those activities
[12:18] <Maik> because that's what is is these days
[12:19] <Maik> is/it
[12:19] <cbreak> activities are separate from virtual desktops
[12:19] <Maik> if that's not good enough try asking in #kde
[12:24] <cbreak> yeah :( it doesn't seem to be a simple config option anyway
[13:04] <Guest4211> hi
[14:12] <TomTom> i have a monitor with integrated KVM. When I change the system and the other goes to powersaving mode (not sleep) and I switch back to the system, then I can not wake up the system by using usb-hid. Before blaming the monitor producer i need to now if there is something I could check/tweak on the OS side?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Will try and report back.. thankyou (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> `sudo apt install pspp`)
[16:32] <zer0fun68> Anyone here using openconnect on 20.04?  DNS doesn't pass through
[16:44] <Maik> zer0fun68: don't crosspost please
[16:46] <zer0fun68> Sorry I wont.
 i dont know but u can set different wallpapers and different set of widgets on activity (re @IrcsomeBot: <cbreak> can I somehow set different desktop wallpapers for different virtual desktops, like on MacOS?)
[17:30] <Maik> @milesdredd that exactly what the youtube video was about but it's not good enough for him
 hmm... (re @IrcsomeBot: <Maik> @milesdredd that exactly what the youtube video was about but it's not good enough for him)
 https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/a0tkdr/different_wallpaper_for_each_workspace/
 try reading this , might help u (re @IrcsomeBot: <cbreak> can I somehow set different desktop wallpapers for different virtual desktops, like on MacOS?)
[20:02] <camibohp> Hi there: I've added two Google accounts to KAddressbook, but I can't view my contacts list.
[20:02] <camibohp> In Akonadi console, I can view the two Google Contacts agents, but the contacts still unavailable on KAddressbook.
[20:02] <camibohp> Any ideas ???


[04:07] <isaias> how do i get my nexus 7 back to normal?
[04:18] <suihkulokki> is there any plan to put strace 4.7 to raring
[09:26] <sspiff> hi, can I find a list of supported platforms for Ubuntu's ARM work?
[09:26] <sspiff> I'm wondering if it would work, with graphics acceleration, on an OMAP 4470 platform
[09:27] <ogra_> it definitely does on 4460, not sure about 4470
[09:28] <ogra_> the pandaboard was for years our reference platform
[09:29]  * infinity has never even seen a 4470...
[09:30] <infinity> Looks like the big difference is a PVR SGX544 instead of a SGX540.
[09:30] <infinity> So, entirely possible that the PVR binary blobs in precise wouldn't know about the new revision.
[09:33] <ogra_> yeah
[09:33] <ogra_> and since TI put OMAP to death for mobile we likely wont get any updated drivers anymore
[09:39] <sspiff> infinity, ogra_: I'm asking specifically because I'm looking for a cheap but usable platform to run ubuntu on, and I came across the Archos 101 XS
[09:40] <sspiff> which seems like a nice match, except for the low RAM. I was only worrying about the SGX544
[09:40] <infinity> sspiff: Well, I honestly can't say one way or the other.  The last SoC *I* tested on was a 4460, but someone may have played with a 4470.
[09:40] <sspiff> do the binary drivers for Linux and Android differ greatly?
[09:40] <ogra_> well, if you would be fine moving to the ubuntu phablet edition (which HW wide depends on a minimal android layer) you should be fine with that HW
[09:40] <infinity> sspiff: They're completely different, yes.
[09:41] <ogra_> if you expect to fully natively run ubuntu on it (xorg, ubuntu kernel etc) i would go with a nexus device
[09:41] <sspiff> infinity: hence the ubuntu phablet architecture leveraging the Android platform
[09:41] <ogra_> right
[09:41] <sspiff> ogra_: I considered that, but they're considerable more expensive and no decent good keyboard docks
[09:41] <infinity> sspiff: The phablet/Android madness is more of a stopgap than an end goal. :)
[09:41] <infinity> But it works for enablemnet on devices where we'll never see native drivers.
[09:41] <infinity> For some value of "works".
[09:41] <ogra_> well, the android layer will stay
[09:42] <ogra_> it wil; shrink and bits will move into the distro, but it wont go away
[09:42] <infinity> Erm.  Define "stay".
[09:42] <infinity> If we get native drivers and have no need for bionic, we have no need for said layer.
[09:42] <ogra_> infinity, the higher layer is designed to use libhybris and friend and to rely on HAL
[09:43] <infinity> See above.
[09:43] <infinity> Nothing depends on hybris, except that some things depend on bionic, thus we need hybris.
[09:43] <ogra_> well, i doubt we want to go back to "we only support one device"
[09:43] <infinity> Kill the bits that need bionic (binary blobs), and we don't need any of it.
[09:43] <ogra_> while we already support over 30 after a week
[09:43] <ogra_> with the new image
[09:43] <infinity> The option for the Android layer is always there.
[09:43] <infinity> The end goal for a branded device isn't that, though.
[09:43] <infinity> Just sayin'.
[09:44] <ogra_> android makes porting extremely easy ...
[09:44]  * ogra_ produced that http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/phablet/i9100/ withing a few hours yesterday
[09:44] <ogra_> *within
[09:44] <ogra_> and i have *zero* android experience
[09:45] <ogra_> i guess the layer might go away for devices we will preinstall on, but not for the unwashed masses
[09:45] <infinity> I'm not sure I call it "porting", when you're just sucking in device support that's already there.
[09:45] <ogra_> (if thats even possible with that design, the userspace apps make a lot of use of android bits)
[09:46] <infinity> Erm, they do?
[09:46] <ogra_> true, its not actual porting :)
[09:46] <infinity> The system is glibc-based.
[09:46] <ogra_> but needs the underlying API to talk to the HW
[09:46] <infinity> That goes right back to the binary blobs thing.
[09:46] <infinity> But yeah.
[09:46] <ogra_> we dont have alsa, there is vold, no graphics stack etc
[09:46] <infinity> We'll see how it pans out.
[09:47] <infinity> You're right that for mass porting to unsupported devices, we'll likely keep the hybris/android solution indefinitely.
[09:47] <ogra_> i.e. my image above has no wifi because samsung decided to have a dalvik based tool to bring up the driver
[09:47] <infinity> You know, until we replace Android as the #1 phone/tablet OS.
[09:47] <infinity> In 2023.
[09:47] <ogra_> so i end up without wlan0 on the device and there is no way from userspace to activate it
[09:48] <ogra_> i will need to hack something together on the android side for it
[09:49] <ogra_> the longer that "interim" situation persists the harder it will get to get rid of the android side, community is actively contributing bits that will closer tie us into that
[09:50] <sspiff> infinity: I understand the fact that it's a stopgap and that it's needed for easy device compatibility
[09:52] <sspiff> regardless, I'm not in the market for having to create a device branch for an ubuntu phablet, I'm looking for a minimal effort to get an ultramobile notebook-tablet hybrid experience
[09:52] <sspiff> if I'm going to have to hack support for the device, I know I'll never get around to it, to many hobby projects queuing in the backlog :)
[09:53] <ogra_> well, we currently support the nexus7 natively
[09:54] <sspiff> if the 4470 isn't going to work, a nexus solution would give me an inferior keyboard experience and with a decent dock etc the price of a nexus 10 becomes high enough to even consider Intel Core i3 solutions, which have good open source driver support
[09:54] <ogra_> and the panddaboard for desktop installs, the the future here is blurry .... i would ratrher expect that to die due to lack of drivers
[09:54] <sspiff> nexus7 is really to small for my needs, I'm looking for 10"
[09:54] <ogra_> well, we can onlye easily get our hands onto the tegra drivers
[09:54] <sspiff> yeah I assume the panda will go the way of the dodo soon, it's been removed from the AOSP as well
[09:55] <sspiff> ogra_: open source tegra drivers? or binary tegra drivers for Linux for a specific distro?
[09:55] <ogra_> so if you want Xorg, tegra HW is your best bet
[09:55] <ogra_> binary indeed
[09:55] <sspiff> I thought tegra/nvidia were completely unsupportive?
[09:55] <ogra_> GLES isnt well suppported in the open ones
[09:55] <sspiff> uhu, I really need GLES :P
[09:56] <ogra_> it might get there (if you belive nvidias marketing)
[09:56] <ogra_> but surely isnt yet
[09:56] <sspiff> I do some GLES coding, and the main goal of the device I'm looking for is a tablet testing environment, and a way to do some light coding/compiling/... on the train/plane/somewhere else where my 15" notebook isn't an option
[09:57] <sspiff> experience learns me to never expect support post-launch
[09:57] <sspiff> SoC obsolete so fast that you really want on-launch support
[09:57] <ogra_> well, i know for sure that nvidia works on an update for the drriver for the next Xorg ABI bump
[09:58] <ogra_> so these devices should be safe for a little while still (if you find an unlockable one like the nexus line)
[09:58] <sspiff> uhu
[09:58] <sspiff> the Transformer TF300 would be a Tegra3 based option, but not sure if it's unlocked
[09:58]  * ogra_ needs to give the cat her insuline shot, brb
[09:58] <sspiff> huh, I didn't know they did that for cats
[10:05] <ogra_> re
[10:06] <ogra_> yeah, they luckily do ...
[10:45] <ogra_> infinity, one for you :) https://plus.google.com/112266164281670850856/posts/RuPVvyrPBtU
[13:27] <Zero_Chaos> So, can anyone tell me how ubuntu makes their rootfs.img?
[13:28] <ogra_> we use live-build with some slight changes that are hidden in the livecd-rootfs source package
[14:35] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: do you know if it is possible to make a rootfs.img from a nexus 7 tablet? basically I'm trying to take a functional modified tablet and copy it to another.
[14:36] <ogra_> zou can either just grab the nexus7 one and modify the tarball inside or start from scratch using an ubuntu-core tarball
[14:39] <Zero_Chaos> to be honest, I have a fully customized device now that I want to copy, I don't want to start over
[14:39] <tassadar_> Zero_Chaos: nandroid backup in recovery should be enough in fact, if you can/want use that
[14:40] <Zero_Chaos> tassadar_: is that a custom recovery or the stock android one? forgive me I'm new ;-)
[14:41] <tassadar_> custom recovery, it basically does .tar.gz from whole /data partition
[14:42] <Zero_Chaos> tassadar_: anything that does *everything*? I have a slightly custom android that has a custom ubuntu chroot in /data/local/ubuntu so I really wanted to grab all of rootfs
[14:43] <tassadar_> well, what do you consider "all of rootfs"?
[14:43] <ogra_> if you have a custom chroot already, just apt-get what you want
[14:43] <Zero_Chaos> tassadar_: /
[14:43] <Zero_Chaos> tassadar_: minus the obvious /dev /proc and /sys
[14:44] <tassadar_> uh
[14:44] <Zero_Chaos> that is "rootfs" afterall
[14:44] <tassadar_> data partition is / for ubuntu
[14:44] <Zero_Chaos> tassadar_: it's android with an ubuntu chroot right now
[14:44] <Zero_Chaos> but I know the full ubuntu install has a real nice rootfs that is easy to flash, just didn't know if I could make one from a running device easily
[14:45] <Zero_Chaos> looks like the answer is "not easily"
[14:45] <tassadar_> yeah
[14:46] <tassadar_> damn you, school wifi network -.-
[14:47] <Zero_Chaos> school sucks
[14:49] <tassadar_> yeah, and I have to go now, sorry, bye
[14:51] <Zero_Chaos> tassadar_: thanks for your help
[15:02] <micahg> Could someone please tell me if this look likes cosmic rays: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/132280468/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-armhf.octave_3.6.4-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:03] <Zero_Chaos> I don't think I'd blame cosmic rays no matter what that log shows
[15:03] <Zero_Chaos> so no, it's not cosmic rays
[15:04] <ogra_> micahg, give it back ... if it doesnt fail the same way its cosmic rays :)
[15:04] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: please don't tell people that, most of them are dumb enough to believe you...
[15:05] <ogra_> ??
[15:05] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: it's not cosmic rays
[15:05] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: thinking that is just embarassing
[15:05] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: we aren't in space, we don't get enough random space radiation to have such issues down here
[15:05] <ogra_> well, it could be humidity in the datacenter ... or a fly sitting on a chip and shortening two contacts
[15:06] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: hardware failure on the other hand is a very common issue.
[15:06] <micahg> Zero_Chaos: being that the build machines are in a unique case, we refer to cosmic rays as random failures to due HW env
[15:06] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: it could be aliens with mind control, but hardware failure is a bit more common don't you think?
[15:06] <ogra_> it could be cosmic ray induced HW failure ;)
[15:07] <Zero_Chaos> micahg: if you want to use an insane case to speak about a sane one that is your choice, but I'm still going to watch and assume you are stupid.
[15:07]  * micahg is really feeling the love in here
[15:07]  * ogra_ hugs micahg
[15:07]  * micahg hugs ogra_ back
[15:07]  * micahg should probably just break down and create a cross-build chroot
[15:07] <Zero_Chaos> micahg: I know a lot of people that think "cosmic rays" means "cosmic rays". using stupid terms like that causes more misunderstanding in an already misunderstood field.
[15:08] <ogra_> that wont get you far on the buildd though
[15:08] <ogra_> Zero_Chaos, its a commonly used term in here ... and please stop calling people stupid in ubuntu channels
[15:08] <micahg> ogra_: well, it should tell me if there's an inherent failure in the build, it certainly won't catch all cases though
[15:08] <ogra_> yeah
[15:09] <ogra_> do you know if thats a virtualized or a devirtualized builder ?
[15:09] <micahg> ogra_: using the cross libc, it wouldn't tell me if there were an assembler failure though, right?
[15:09] <ogra_> could well be a qemu issue
[15:09] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: I didn't call anyone stupid, I said I would sit back and assume he was because he is using a term that deliberately breed misunderstanding.
[15:09] <micahg> ogra_: devirt (archive)
[15:09] <ogra_> yeah
[15:09] <ogra_> oh, ok
[15:10]  * micahg will give back then as he doesn't have the proper hardware to do a test (and the buildds are relatively free)
[16:50] <achiang> Zero_Chaos: in fact, computers on earth *are* affected by cosmic rays. in early days of one of the supercomputers i worked on, we had to install a large tank of water above the server room to absorb them, to prevent RAM corruption issues caused by random bit flipping due to cosmic rays
[16:50] <achiang> Zero_Chaos: later on, we improved the shielding on the DIMMs
[16:52] <achiang> Zero_Chaos: and of course, due to wave/particle duality at the quantum levels, i'd say that it is quite reasonable to use "ray" and "particle" interchangably in this context
[17:25] <Zero_Chaos> achiang: is this 1962?
[17:26] <achiang> Zero_Chaos: is that relevant?
[17:26] <Zero_Chaos> achiang: yes, because "computer's are affect by cosmic rays" is very different from "computer's were affected by cosmic rays 30 years ago before they were properly shielded"
[17:27] <achiang> Zero_Chaos: this was 2002.
[17:28] <achiang> Zero_Chaos: so if you could stop calling people stupid, that would be great. thanks.
[17:28] <Zero_Chaos> achiang: during one of the longest solar minimums in history? I'm... shocked may be the word
[17:29] <Zero_Chaos> achiang: and again, picking the single least likely scenario is not good practice, and it perpetuates confusion in the industry, and that is stupid, which is what I said.
[17:30] <ogra_> can we drop thatr off-topic now ?
[17:30] <Zero_Chaos> achiang: when gcc compile fails over and over, in a different place, I don't say it's cosmic rays, I say it's ram.  And you know what, wrapping the computer in 10 ft of tin foil can't fix what new ram can
[17:32] <ogra_> there is no computer to wrap ... its all dev boards without any casing
[17:32] <ogra_> but pretty please stop this topic now
[17:35] <Zero_Chaos> ogra_: it was my intent to say that using the term "cosmic rays" for seemingly random failures is confusing for new users and should be avoided.  I'm sorry this point confused so many people in here.
[17:56] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-March/036776.html
[17:58] <Zero_Chaos> interesting
[19:05]  * micahg shows Zero_Chaos the retry build has made it past where it was: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/octave/3.6.4-1/+build/4325207, hooray for Cosmic Rays :)
[19:06] <Zero_Chaos> micahg: yeah, random hardware failure does the same thing all the time. especially heat and RAM issues
[19:06] <Zero_Chaos> micahg: but hey, you are welcome to think whatever you like, I realized long ago that if you don't listen I shouldn't care either
[19:07] <micahg> if you want people to listen to you, it doesn't hury to listen first ;)
[19:07] <micahg> s/hury/hurt/
[19:08] <Zero_Chaos> micahg: I did listen. you think cosmic rays messed up your build. I think it's just as likely that a ghost did it.
[19:08] <micahg> [09:06] <micahg> Zero_Chaos: being that the build machines are in a unique case, we refer to cosmic rays as random failures to due HW env
[19:09] <Zero_Chaos> micahg: yeah I read that, and I was trying to say that people reading that assume you mean real cosmic rays not using it as a euphemism for "something failed and I don't know what"
[19:10] <Zero_Chaos> micahg: thus, causing entropy and stupidity in the general populace
[19:10] <Zero_Chaos> micahg: and since like three people have "stood up to me" in the last hour to tell me how cosmic ray can actually affect building, I stand by my point.


[19:01] <notgary> If anyone's interested in attending the paper cutters meeting, it's about to begin in #ubuntu-desktop


[06:38] <cpaelzer> pitti: hiho, what is actually the convention on the autopkgtest users password (if ther is any)
[06:39] <cpaelzer> for a test that runs with needs-root anyway (so I know I'm root)
[06:39] <cpaelzer> I'd need to know its PW
[06:39] <cpaelzer> I could of course just set one via e.g. usermod -p - if that is allowed and not breaking the test
[06:39] <pitti> cpaelzer: there isn't any really
[06:39] <cpaelzer> IIRC we get the special root access via the tty
[06:39] <cpaelzer> and that is it
[06:40] <cpaelzer> so no policy beyond that special access via the tty then?
[06:40] <pitti> cpaelzer: if you need a password, the test should set it by itself (and declare breaks-testbed)
[06:40] <cpaelzer> yep I'll do so
[06:40] <pitti> cpaelzer: special access via tty is only for qemu; there you of course need to specify the password on the CLI (but not in the test!)
[06:40] <cpaelzer> I just didn't find a doc clearly stating on or the other, so I wanted to ask
[06:40] <cpaelzer> thanks pitti!
[06:41] <pitti> cpaelzer: but setup-testbed actually creates a systemd unit that just offers a root shell on ttyS1 :)
[06:41] <pitti> which avoids knowing any password
[06:41] <tjaalton> so are we dropping support for running native i386 in 18.10?
[06:48] <tjaalton> seems not decided yet
[06:48] <Unit193> I liked the "heavily warn, but allow it up until the next LTS" method.
[06:51] <pitti> seems safer to not allow it at all now, to avoid getting people stuck on short-lived releases
[06:52] <tjaalton> yeah, I'd drop it from 18.10
[07:02] <Unit193> pitti: Given that some LTSes are only 3 years, one really doesn't gain time.
[07:15] <tjaalton> still longer than "until next lts"
[07:15] <tjaalton> besides, kernel support is shared by all
[07:16] <Unit193> Sure, just personally I'd prefer to roll with the normal releases until then.  I do have some 32bit only stuff still. :3
[07:38] <pitti> Unit193: what happened to 5 years?
[07:38] <Unit193> pitti: Eg, Xubuntu never did that.  Only 3.
[07:38] <Unit193> Same with a few other flavors.
[07:40] <tjaalton> and what does that mean exactly? that they don't provide fixes to the desktop packages? everything else in main will still get updates
[07:40] <Unit193> Except that all of Xfce is in universe, soo..
[07:40] <tjaalton> so?
[07:41] <tjaalton> I said main, which has a lot of libraries I bet the xubuntu bits depend on
[07:41] <Unit193> Of course they do.
[07:43] <tjaalton> and looks like it uses firefox as the browser, which is probably the most security sensitive app on it
[07:43] <Unit193> Arguably openssl, I'd say. :>
[07:43] <tjaalton> still supported
[07:44] <Unit193> I'm aware, yes.  Point isn't "What's an LTS mean?" though.
[14:15] <didrocks> bdmurray: hey, any update on https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu-release-upgrader/add_telemetry/+merge/345088? I added more metrics after our last week discussion with j_ibel
[14:23] <bdmurray> didrocks: Oh, I didn't see the updates. I'm not clear on the answer about the "From" distro.
[14:23] <bdmurray> didrocks: and when I said From I meant "To"
[14:23] <didrocks> bdmurray: look at the README on https://github.com/Ubuntu/ubuntu-report
[14:24] <didrocks> bdmurray: you have a lot more information reported than installer or upgrader one
[14:24] <didrocks> one of them is "Version", which is basically the "To"
[14:24] <bdmurray> didrocks: What if it crashes before the upgrade completes?
[14:25] <didrocks> bdmurray: no Upgrade telemetry file present
[14:25] <didrocks> if the user can still boot a bionic session, they will have the other info
[14:25] <didrocks> but not upgrader specific ones
[14:30] <bdmurray> didrocks: I'm sorry but I'm not following. Why would the upgrade telemetry file not be present?
[14:30] <didrocks> bdmurray: well, you mentioned if "it" crashes, I think you meant "it" being do-release-upgrader
[14:31] <bdmurray> didrocks: I did
[14:31] <didrocks> if do-release-upgrader crashes, then, the upgrade file isn't present as it's saved whenthe upgrade completes…
[14:32] <bdmurray> didrocks: So we'll only have information on succceses?
[14:32] <didrocks> bdmurray: we send the information after first login on a new release for the user
[14:32] <didrocks> so if the upgrade or install fails, we don't send those possibly corrupted metrics
[14:32] <didrocks> this is where whoopsie should trigger and report the crash
[14:33] <didrocks> but completely unrelated to hardware and other report info
[14:33] <bdmurray> Okay, and are you looking for me to just approve the MP?
[14:34] <didrocks> bdmurray: yes, if you don't spot any obvious issue or typos :)
[14:34] <bdmurray> didrocks: Okay, thanks for talking it through with me!
[14:35] <didrocks> thanks for the review! ;)
[19:02] <slangasek> infinity, kees, stgraber, mdeslaur: TB posers meeting?
[19:33] <infinity> wxl: *nudge*
[19:33]  * wxl awakens from his slumber
[19:34] <infinity> wxl: Can you apply another month or two of "democracy, what democracy?" to https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members ?
[19:34] <infinity> wxl: We're also chasing down the whole election business, promise. :P
[19:34] <wxl> ok
[19:37] <infinity> wxl: Thanks!
[19:37] <wxl> np
[19:38] <wxl> supposedly owners are supposed to get those messages but it didn't come. i'll mail the cc so they're informed
[19:38] <infinity> slangasek: We're good through Aug 03, if you can manage to get someone's attention about an election before then. :)
[19:38] <slangasek> infinity: k
[19:40] <wxl> infinity: slangasek: to be clear, what's lacking? what resources do you need? can we/i help?
[19:42] <slangasek> wxl: someone with authority needs to call for candidates and run an election.  That's ultimately probably only sabdfl, but perhaps the CC can help
[19:44] <wxl> slangasek: i'll ask the cc about that and get back to you
[19:44] <wxl> slangasek: anything else?
[19:47] <slangasek> wxl: that's all, thanks :)
[20:08] <wxl> slangasek: infinity: do you have an easy way of generating emails to send to the appropriate ubuntu developers for the tb elections?
[20:09] <slangasek> wxl: I do not
[20:09] <wxl> oh nevermind
[20:09] <wxl> i found it
[22:22] <elim_garak> is anyone here an admin or moderator for the ubuntu mailing lists?
[22:22] <elim_garak> I cant subscribe to ubuntu-bugs to save my life
[22:23] <elim_garak> ive tried to send emails to subscribe to the mailman system, ive tried emailing the admin of the list. nothing
[22:23] <elim_garak> ive checked my junk, spam, everything. I'm not getting emails from the list
[22:23] <elim_garak> and, i cant subscribe to any ubuntu list
[22:24] <wxl> did you use the form elim_garak https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs ?
[22:24] <elim_garak> yes
[22:24] <elim_garak> never get the confirmation email
[22:24] <elim_garak> was hoping an admin or mod could manually add me or test sending me something
[22:24] <nacc> well tht wasn't one of the things you mentioned above :)
[22:24] <wxl> i'd advise checking with #canonical-sysadmin as that sounds like a general issue that may affect more than your ability to subscribe
[22:26] <elim_garak> ty will do


[02:27] <new> is anyone here?
[02:36] <New> Hello people
[02:36] <augh> hi
[02:38] <New> can anyone here tell me how not to get error from a xubuntu down load?
[02:38] <New> im sorry I meant error message
[02:39] <augh> can you give more detail?
[02:42] <New> well when I do an installation from a down load it ask if you want to check disk for defect...then I check and I get 2 file errors found
[02:43] <New> it said that on several different versions
[02:43] <New> of linux
[02:45] <augh> sorry man no idea. did google yield anything?
[02:47] <New> well I usually try to come here first, kool if you cant help no problem
[02:50] <New> #ubuntu
[06:10] <xubuntu918> Who can help me?
[06:14] <xubuntu918> :D
[06:15] <xubuntu918> X(
[06:28] <nikolam> hi, I have very large CPU usage for Xorg on 2 Xubuntu LTS instalaltions on 32-bit computers (one with 512MB RAM, the other with 768MB)
[06:30] <nikolam> One is intel ghraphics (Asus EEEPC 701) and the other is Matrox G400.  System is doing absolutely nothing while CPU usage by Xorg is around 68-75 Percent, staying above 70% most of the time...
[06:34] <nikolam> Sorry I remember better now. Asus is on 12.04 and Xorg large cpu usage happens for some time then stops
[06:35] <nikolam> on 14.04 on other machine it continues to have large cpu usage all the time
[07:04] <nikolam> When I log out, it stops using 70% cpu time for Xorg, so it must be something in Xfce?
[07:05] <nikolam> Hmm, Xorg behaves right with another user account.
[07:09] <nikolam> How do I figure out what app is doing something with Xorg to make it use that much cpu time?
[07:48] <nikolam> I figured that "System Load monitor" uses too much CPU time on recent 14.04 LTS 32-bit
[07:48] <nikolam> it did not happen that way before.
[07:48] <nikolam> It manifest itself with Large CPU usage by Xorg
[13:12] <xubuntu26w> hello
[13:13] <Luyin> hi xubuntu26w
[13:14] <xubuntu26w> i would like to reboot my xunbuntu as i am having trouble with installations, so i have backed up al my files, i have no cds available to burn the disk image...
[13:14] <xubuntu26w> can someone help?
[13:15] <Luyin> xubuntu26w you mean reinstall?
[13:15] <xubuntu26w> yeah
[13:15] <xubuntu26w> do i need to start all over or can i do it without
[13:15] <Luyin> you can also create images to be read from sd cards, usb sticks...
[13:15] <xubuntu26w> what software do i need
[13:16] <Luyin> xubuntu26w "dd" from terminal
[13:16] <xubuntu26w> ok
[13:16] <xubuntu26w> i will see
[13:16] <xubuntu26w> i have downloaded the latest xunbutu software also
[13:17] <Luyin> xubuntu26w but your computer must be able to boot from usb/sd card. you can check this out in your BIOS
[13:17] <xubuntu26w> i can
[13:17] <xubuntu26w> i thnik
[13:20] <xubuntu26w> what "operation" should i type in the terminal?
[13:22] <xubuntu26w> you said "dd" Luying?
[13:22] <Luyin> xubuntu26w you add the usbstick you want to install the ISO to, find out which device it is in /dev. say it's /dev/sdc1, then you go "sudo dd if=/path/to/ISO of=/dev/sdc1"
[13:24] <Luyin> xubuntu26w you can find out the correct denominator in /dev with "lsusb"
[13:27] <Luyin> xubuntu26w sorry, ignore that last. that won't tell you much about the pointer in the filesystem
[13:28] <Luyin> xubuntu26w instead, mount it (by double clicking it on your desktop, via thunar, etc), then type "mount" in the terminal and find the correct device there
[13:42] <temroa> hi all
[13:42] <temroa> i have a problem can someone help ?
[13:42] <knome> temroa, just ask and if somebody knows the asnwer, they'll likely reply
[13:42] <temroa> okay
[13:43] <temroa> problem is about wifi
[13:43] <temroa> my wifi card is mt7630e
[13:43] <temroa> i installed official driver http://www.mediatek.com/en/downloads1/downloads/mt7630-pcie/
[13:43] <temroa> but wifi doesn't work
[13:44] <temroa> my os is ubuntu 14.04.1
[13:44] <temroa> after install at the top-right there is writing this thing
[13:45] <temroa> wifi is off by hardware switch
[13:45] <temroa> i know how to correct it
[13:45] <temroa> but
[13:45] <temroa> after reboot wifi function is gone
[13:45] <temroa> and that correction needs reboot
[14:50] <xubuntu00w> Hi i am new. I installed XUBUNTU on my old SIEMENS ESPRIMO and verything was fine until i tried to install DROPBX and the PSAM. The installations never completed! I do not know how to UNISTALL them. Pls help
[14:51] <xubuntu00w> I mean DROPBOX, sorry
[14:56] <holstein> !dropbox
[14:57] <holstein> xubuntu00w: i would just undo whatever you have done, and refer to https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx and get the .deb from there
[14:58] <holstein> you can "uninstall" packages with a package manager.. if the software center isnt doing as you would expect, you can use synaptic, another package manager
[15:01] <xubuntu00w> Thanks. I cannot enter synaptic, because it tells me "another apt-get" is pobably being executed...
[15:01] <holstein> right
[15:02] <holstein> xubuntu00w: you can only use one package manager at a time, and should close other things that are doing software management
[15:02] <cfhowlett> !aptlock | xubuntu00w
[15:02] <holstein> which, could be the case.. could have been, you interrupted the dropbox installation prematurely, xubuntu00w
[15:03] <holstein> i would want to make sure i *dont* have other package managers or updaters running in the background, to the point of, if i were new to linux, and didnt konw what that meant, i would reboot
[15:04] <xubuntu00w> holstein: I have rebooted , no effect, processes seem torun in background
[15:05] <holstein> xubuntu00w: the dropbox process?
[15:05] <cfhowlett> xubuntu00w, do you have update auto-enabled?
[15:06] <xubuntu00w> ubottu :i have followed yr advise. this is print out from terminal
[15:06] <xubuntu00w> costas@costas-ESPRIMO-Mobile-V5535:~$ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a [sudo] password for costas:                       USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND /var/lib/dpkg/lock:  root       2047 F.... dpkg Kill process 2047 ? (y/N) y Γίνεται εγκατάσταση nautilus-dropbox (0.7.1-2) ...  Downloading Dropbox... 100% o share and store your files online. Want to learn more? Head to http://www.dropb
[15:07] <holstein> xubuntu00w: you have to wait on dropbox to be downloaded
[15:07] <holstein> xubuntu00w: its likely, you just interrupted the process..
[15:07] <holstein> anyways, i'll leave you guys to work it out.. must run o/
[15:09] <xubuntu00w> Looks like I have screw@d it up. How do I "un-interrupt" the process?
[15:51] <max12345> I found some old binaries for wine
[15:51] <max12345> how can I safely remove them and all that's connected to it?
[15:51] <max12345> they're not being removed by the package system
[15:52] <max12345> brb
[15:59] <kyo> hi guys. anyone alive? i need to ask something about xubuntu 12.04
[16:00] <cfhowlett> !ask | kyo
[16:00] <Pavlos_> Hi all
[16:01] <Pavlos_> I just updated my system from 14.04 ubuntu to 15.04
[16:01] <kyo> i am currently installing xubuntu 12.04 on an old toshiba laptom from a usb mp3 player and suddenl, my right speaker started to make a loud pulse (like : tac tac tac tac tac). have you heard of this before? or it's just o coincidence?
[16:03] <kyo> well .. the install requests reboot. i'll try to get back to you
[16:03] <Pavlos_> After restart graphical excitement is not staying and I got error that user.service failed to start. I found some information in launch pad and I removed  systemd-sl
[16:04] <Pavlos_> Sorry systemd-shim package
[16:05] <Pavlos_> After restart the error is not there
[16:05] <Pavlos_> My system boots but xfce is not starting
[16:06] <Pavlos_> Does anyone has any suggestions?
[18:49] <BBLLCC> i need help with plymouth for splashscreens while turning on and off my laptop
[19:18] <xubuntu49w> can I install xubuntu OS onto my android tablet
[19:23] <ObrienDave> !touch
[22:36] <Voyage> Hi
[22:36] <Voyage> What is the purpose of xubuntu?
[22:37] <holstein> prebuilt iso providing an installation of ubuntu customized with xfce, and the xubuntu specific packages/tweaks
[22:38] <holstein> a nice, full featured OS that is typically lighter on resources, without compromising features that are typically needed
[22:38] <Voyage> ok, what is the purpose of xubuntu? is it the same kubuntu underneath but just a different desktop env?
[22:38] <Voyage> I have kubuntu lts. but low hardward.
[22:38] <holstein> they are *all* ubuntu
[22:38] <Voyage> is xubuntu for me if I install it as an alternative desktop?
[22:38] <holstein> xfce is the xubuntu desktop
[22:39] <Voyage> I can still swtich between kubuntu and xubuntu anytime?
[22:39] <holstein> you are welcome to install xfce4 into whatever you are running now..
[22:39] <holstein> Voyage: between kde and xfce, and yes
[22:39] <Voyage> thanks
[22:39] <holstein> but, installing "xubuntu-desktop" could cause issues.. with your current kubuntu install so, i suggest installing xfce4
[22:40] <Voyage> what kind of issues if i just install via apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[22:40] <Voyage> holstein,  how to install xfce4?
[22:40] <holstein> Voyage: you are using kubuntu, so, if you say "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop", it can be assumed you want to *switch* and offer to change large parts of your system, and remove parts of kubuntu
[22:41] <holstein> where as, if you just install xfce4, it'll just add xfce to your current setup, and the end result is still the xfce desktop as an option for you at boot
[22:41] <holstein> !info xfce4
[22:41] <Voyage> holstein,  good idea
[22:42] <holstein> sudo apt-get install xfce4 for example
[22:42] <Voyage> thanks!!
[22:42] <holstein> then, from the login screen, for kubuntu, you can choose xfce as the session, or kubuntu/kde
[22:42] <Voyage> holstein,  very very good suggestion
[22:42] <Unit193> (Generally no, things won't be removed as xubuntu-desktop-settings et all don't conflict with kubuntu-*, and xfce4 is just another meta too.  Ubuntu/Kubuntu+xfce4 != Xubuntu, quite different.)
[22:43] <holstein> or, you just download the the xubuntu iso, and try it live
[22:43] <Voyage> Unit193,  hm. so which one is better to do in you opinion?
[22:43] <holstein> i had problems..
[22:43] <holstein> but, you can do what you like, and should have backups regardless
[22:43] <Voyage> Unit193,  if I do sudo apt-get install xfce4 , I am good too?
[22:43] <Voyage> holstein,  hm
[22:44] <Unit193> You'll get xfce4, sure.
[22:44] <Voyage> holstein,  xubuntu-desktop or xfc4. both will give me same thing ? (ignoring kbuntu is there)?
[22:44] <Voyage> Unit193, ^
[22:45] <Voyage> Thanks!
[22:45] <holstein> in my experience, which has actualy not been, running kubuntu, and installing xubuntu-destkop, but, has been, running main ubuntu, and installing kubuntu-desktop, and/or xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop, i have had issues
[22:45] <holstein> they were likely, just bad choices i made, when being promted to swtich login managers, etc
[22:45] <Unit193> One looks more like http://techedemic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/td_rdp_3.png, the other looks like http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/1404_whisker.png
[23:08] <Voyage> E: Unable to locate package xfc4
[23:11] <Voyage> holstein,  Unit193  ^
[23:16] <knome> try "xfce4"
[23:27] <Voyage> thanks
[23:59] <xubuntuuser> Hello people
[23:59] <knome> hello