[00:00] <Raspberry> I'm going to see if booting to an earlier kernel fixes my wireless issues
[00:00] <thompa> nikrud: ive tried on a 2 laptops and this box no usb devices, but in last alpha they were there
[00:00] <bardyr> why is bcm43 in the kernel? or not blacklisted from start?
[00:00] <jimqode> Raspberry, b43 driver loads and works. It has range issues.
[00:00] <teamcobra> bardyr: because it's much better than using ndiswrapper
[00:00] <nikrud> thompa what kind of errors do you see in   tail -f /var/log/syslog  when you plug in a device?
[00:00] <teamcobra> most of the time ;)
[00:01] <jimqode> bardyr, if it works that is :)
[00:01] <bardyr> teamcobra, yea but b43 & co should have replaced it
[00:01] <teamcobra> ohhhh, sorry, I read bcm43 as b43
[00:02] <bardyr> jimqode, but when does it work? all my bcm cards needed ndiswrapper to work properly but with ndiswrapper they also worked great
[00:02] <teamcobra> was jumping between 2 boxes and fired one off ;p
[00:02]  * nikrud has his access points all are within 20 feet of where he sits. Planning :)
[00:02] <jimqode> bardyr, which card do you have? I'm now having trouble with ndis and b4312 rev 2
[00:02] <thompa> nikrud:  NetworkManager: <debug> [1206230512.199264] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_Sony_WALKMAN_491D44613110')
[00:02] <Raspberry> nikrud: it's just odd it skipps over eth0
[00:02] <thompa> nikrud: there is the sony
[00:03] <bardyr> jimqode, bcm4314 i think
[00:03] <nikrud> thompa that sounds right. But you can't read it with the file manager? how about from the console?
[00:03] <dandel> fglrx now works, and compiz is also runnin without any extra work.
[00:03] <bardyr> jimqode, i cant remember its and old laptop
[00:03] <jimqode> bardyr, did you get the win driver for it from the support web site of your laptop?
[00:03] <teamcobra> dandel: beautiful, what was it?
[00:03] <bardyr> jimqode, yea
[00:03] <nikrud> dandel nice, huh? And it's even barely acceptably quick ;)
[00:03] <bardyr> jimqode, grabbed it from acers hp
[00:03] <jimqode> pfff. why doesn't mine work ;(
[00:03] <drbobb> Raspberry: ok i know, i did try using bcm43xx but it didn't support my chip too well
[00:04] <dandel> removed all the fglrx modules and did a reinstall from the ati tree.
[00:04] <teamcobra> yeah, when using fglrx, remember..... turn off compiz when playing games/using opengl screensavers
[00:04] <bardyr> jimqode, tried the latest ndiswrapper version?
[00:04] <thompa> nikrud: i need to go back and remove it from fstab, to troubleshoot, thanks jsut a sec
[00:04] <teamcobra> it doesn't play 100% nice with other gl apps yet ;p
[00:04] <jimqode> bardyr, i'm on hardy. is there a better one?
[00:04] <thompa> nikrud: i had a temp fix but its pain
[00:04] <bardyr> jimqode, yea
[00:04] <Raspberry> nikrud: looks like it could be this issue... bug #180544
[00:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180544 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "ipw2200 driver fails to load firmware" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180544
[00:04] <teamcobra> w/ nvidia however, it does ;p amd will probably fix these things now that they're competing w/ intel in the igp arena
[00:04] <bardyr> jimqode, for some reasons ubuntu only updates ndiswrapper on a really need to basis
[00:04] <nikrud> thompa yes. I've only found one issue, which I could work around.
[00:04] <jimqode> bardyr, is there a ppa for that?
[00:05] <nikrud> Raspberry sounds plausible. I don't know how to check it myself
[00:05] <bardyr> jimqode, no but compiling is painless and it seems like it never breaks with kernel updates
[00:05] <bardyr> jimqode, not that i know of
[00:05] <jimqode> bardyr, hmm i'll try it right away then
[00:05] <drbobb> Raspberry: as in, works for a few minutes then craps out (bcm43xx i mean)
[00:06] <Raspberry> drbobb: strange
[00:06] <thompa> nikrud: no i cant access it
[00:06] <thompa> nikrud: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[00:06] <jimqode> bardyr, ndiswrapper -v says 1.52 . That's also what the ndis website says. are you sure there is a newer version?
[00:07] <Raspberry> nikrud: it looks like my issue is that the dist-upgrade isn't smart enough to install the kernel modules
[00:07] <thompa> nikrud: unless i add it but its not practical, its all my boxes
[00:07] <dandel> hmm... now to fix the package manager to now try and force feed the fglrx modules from the ubuntu repo on me lol.
[00:07] <bardyr> jimqode, O_o, they updated ndiswrapper
[00:07] <nikrud> Raspberry install linux-generic , that will ensure you get restricted modules on a kernel upgrade (goes off to do it himself)
[00:07] <bardyr> jimqode, why wont it load?
[00:07] <Raspberry> nikrud: yeah that's what I'm doing right now :)
[00:08] <thompa> nikrud: -11 in alpha worked
[00:08] <jimqode> bardyr, i have no idea. it seems to load well but iwconfig does not show anything and my led does not light up
[00:08] <jimqode> bardyr, i'm now downloading a different driver to try
[00:08] <drbobb> Raspberry: indeed. starts dumping error messages to dmesg, then connectivity is lost.
[00:08] <bardyr> jimqode, sudo ndiswrapper -l
[00:08] <thompa> nikrud: I still dont understand why x64 automounts
[00:08] <Raspberry> nikrud: it looks like it installed "generic" modules, but not "386"
[00:08] <nikrud> thompa I've been using hardy barely 24 hours, I'm not up on all the bugs yet
[00:08] <nikrud> Raspberry ah. Why have 386?
[00:09] <thompa> nikrud: an upgrade from alpha seems to maybe work, but a claen beta and upgrade kills my usb
[00:09] <nikrud> that's why I'm here, getting ready for next month
[00:09] <Raspberry> nikrud: according to this bug apparently some of the firmware and things were included with one but not the other
[00:10] <Raspberry> nikrud: and the -generic package doesn't include all the 386
[00:10] <thompa> nikrud: im going to try a fresh x64 , thanks for the command tip
[00:10] <jimqode> bardyr, http://pastebin.com/f57c47fe9
[00:10] <thompa> it could be 64 is behind too
[00:10] <nikrud> Raspberry you mean all the modules?
[00:10] <bardyr> jimqode, blacklist bcm43xx and sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[00:11] <nikrud> s/modules/same modules/
[00:11] <bardyr> jimqode, then it should work
[00:11] <jessica> how can i find out what sound drivers im using via terminal
[00:11] <jimqode> bardyr, i remember trying it, but i'll try it once more
[00:11] <Raspberry> at least the ipw2200 wireless module .. that bug I sent... #180544 seems to highlight that there's an issue that modules are pointing in the wrong locations
[00:11] <nikrud> jessica  lsmod | grep snd
[00:11] <jessica> thanks
[00:11] <Raspberry> jessica: I found out something that might help your issue since I dist-upgraded another workstation here
[00:11] <jimqode> bardyr, bcm43xx already blacklisted by default
[00:12] <Raspberry> jessica: make sure you have the 386 and generic modules installed... apparently there are some problems with modules not pointing to the right locations
[00:12] <bardyr> jimqode, then modprobing should make it work
[00:12] <jimqode> bardyr, it doesn't
[00:12] <bardyr> jimqode, dmesg?
[00:13] <jessica> my wireless is working gr8 now but thanks i dont know what i did to make it work because ive tryed loads of things and i have put loads of diffrent packages on
[00:13] <jimqode> bardyr, [  597.790240] ndiswrapper version 1.52 loaded (smp=yes, preempt=no)
[00:14] <jimqode> bardyr, [  921.915095] usbcore: registered new interface driver ndiswrapper
[00:14] <Raspberry> hmm
[00:17] <teamcobra> hrm, I think I found part of my problem.... even though it's blacklisted, somehow ndiswrapper keeps loading at startup :p
[00:17] <teamcobra> wow :p :p :p
[00:17] <Raspberry> nikrud: that did it...
[00:17] <nikrud> Raspberry what?
[00:17] <Raspberry> nikrud: there's some problem with the module paths being hosed up in the .24 kernels
[00:17] <Raspberry> nikrud: read this bug... #128116
[00:17] <nikrud> !bug 128116
[00:17] <Raspberry> bug #128116
[00:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128116 in network-manager "[ipw2200] NM doesn't connect to one particular network" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128116
[00:18] <Raspberry> nikrud: the bug topic isn't exact, but the problem is the same
[00:18] <slavik> I think there is a bad bug relating to wine ...
[00:18] <Raspberry> nikrud: this might give a  more concise explaination... Bug #180544
[00:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180544 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "ipw2200 driver fails to load firmware" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180544
[00:19] <slavik> it is very easy for wine to cause a key to be "stuck"
[00:20] <arcticpenguin380> if i have to reinstall hardy should i mount my /home when i upgrade to it from gutsy?
[00:20] <ethana2> we have a mac and XP user over here at our hous
[00:21] <ethana2> anybody got a startup time comparion between hardy and tiger ppc?
[00:21] <slavik> ethana2: did they kill each other yet? :P
[00:21] <slavik> no
[00:21] <ethana2> slavik: it's the same dude
[00:21] <slavik> oh
[00:21] <ethana2> basically he's a linux hater
[00:21] <Flannel> ethana2: If you're doing anything official, you should wait for Hardy to go final (and the development stuff to be taken out)
[00:21] <nikrud> Raspberry are you going to mention what you did? tickling the bug might get some action
[00:21] <slavik> ethana2: as for start up times, when I turn on my computer, it is ready to be used after I grab a snack or a drink or some other
[00:21] <ethana2> ah
[00:21] <jessica> my sound is being really odd
[00:22] <jessica> i just realised
[00:22] <jessica> its making sound its just not making much
[00:22] <teamcobra> jessica: double-click on your volume control, and turn the PCM up ;)
[00:22] <jimqode> jessica, pcm on mixer is kind of turned down by default. i had the same thing on dell m1330
[00:22] <jessica> it is
[00:22] <jessica> its on full
[00:22] <nikrud> ethana2 or, if you have things working well, be proactive in understanding what upgrades actually do
[00:22] <teamcobra> hrmmm
[00:22] <jessica> my what mixer
[00:23] <jimqode> double click the speaker icon
[00:23] <jack|ass> I just installed Hardy on my laptop and I've noticed that the fans seem to keep running full speed unless I have the machine complely idle with the lid closed.  Is there something I can tweak with regards to thermal zones?
[00:23] <ethana2> nikrud: on alpha?  break stuff
[00:24]  * nikrud changes screen brightness with laptop keys, just cuz he can
[00:24] <ethana2> nikrud: but it's beta now, so they changed the way they do that right?
[00:24] <ethana2> heh, yes.
[00:24] <jessica> thanks my sounds working now
[00:24] <jessica> i feel so dumb asking that when it was so simple
[00:24] <nikrud> ethana2 as a user you should treat it the same, don't do production stuff on it, or be absolutely sure about what you're installing. Be prepared to fix/workaround
[00:25] <ethana2> nikrud: i am no lowly user
[00:25] <ethana2> nikrud: i am a ninja
[00:25] <ethana2> nikrud: i survived libc6
[00:25] <nikrud> ethana2 I ran unstable + experimental as my production box for years. Still applies ;)
[00:25] <ethana2> yup
[00:25] <daved> having a problem with 2.6.24-12-generic  .. locks up after saying Please wait, Loading..     2.6.24-12-386 works fine, but im trying to switch to generic since it has the sound module fixes
[00:26] <slavik> daved: 64bit?
[00:26] <daved> slavik, not intentionally? :)
[00:26] <nikrud> ethana2 now me, I wouldn't have installed the libc6 upgrade for a a few days. Let someone else be the guinea pig
[00:26] <slavik> daved: then dunno
[00:26] <daved> slavik, just upgraded gutsy to hardy today, these are the kernels that i gt
[00:26] <nikrud> ethana2 I survived the pam debacle in debian
[00:27] <ethana2> nikrud: what'd they do to pam?
[00:27] <daved> linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic              2.6.24-12.22
[00:27] <daved> slavik, were you asking if it was a 64 bit kernel or 64 bit hardware?
[00:27] <jimqode> i'm a lowlife, i couldn't get a bcm4312 v 1.0 to work with ndiswrapper ;^(
[00:28] <slavik> kernel
[00:28] <nikrud> ethana2  A long time ago so I forget the details, but I had my first exposure to a live cd because of it.  lnx-bbc saved my butt. Still have that cd :)
[00:28] <jimqode> i think i'm going to consider another carreer path from now on. like growing tomatoes or something
[00:28] <daved> slavik, i dont believe it is, unless -generic is 64 bit
[00:28] <nikrud> jimqode they'll turn out green or rotted. ;P
[00:29] <slavik> daved: on my 64bit kernel with 64bit hardware, the splashscreen doesn't show, monitor goes black and the system doesn't start ...
[00:29] <slavik> was wondering if it could be the same issue
[00:29] <slavik> try removing 'splash' from the kernel line
[00:29] <jimqode> Waaaaaaaa!
[00:29] <daved> my splashscreen shows but stays in the indeterminate progress bar forever
[00:29] <daved> without splash, it just hangs after Please wait, loading
[00:29] <teamcobra> jimqode: by range issues w/ the b43 driver, I went to their site, and apparently the 802.11a features of the 4312 aren;t supported
[00:29] <teamcobra> but the card is
[00:30] <daved> what's weird is 2.6.24-12-generic has the sound fixes but 2.6.24-12-386 does now
[00:30] <daved> *not
[00:30] <nikrud> jimqode I've always found that when I reach a deadblock, doing something else for a couple hours lets me come back with a fresh perception. Nearly always do better second time around
[00:31] <jack|ass> anyone know how to adjust the thermal zones in Hardy?
[00:31] <jimqode> nikrud, but this is my third comeback. I think i'll just open the laptop's bay and take a look at the card now. If it's a minipci card i'll just change it
[00:31] <jimqode> i've had it with this broadcom nonsense
[00:31] <nikrud> lol
[00:31] <jimqode> i hope it's not a pciex
[00:31] <teamcobra> ralink = good ;)
[00:31] <nikrud> jimqode cutting to the chase is always good
[00:32] <teamcobra> jimqode: I have an alfa though, AWESOME card
[00:32] <teamcobra> worth the 70 bucks, 500mw ;) usb, but it takes 2 usb ports
[00:32] <teamcobra> and packet injection works ;)
[00:32] <teamcobra> broadcom cards are the suck
[00:32] <teamcobra> heh, xchat autocorrects "teh" ;p
[00:33] <mikedep333> hello, what is the recommended way of doing dmraid on 8.04 beta?
[00:33] <slavik> teamcobra: s/the/teh/
[00:33] <slavik> :)
[00:33] <slavik> oh, heh
[00:33] <mikedep333> *fakeraid
[00:33] <teamcobra> heheheh :p :p
[00:33] <mikedep333> still dmraid on the desktop cd?
[00:33] <slavik> mikedep333: dmraid isn't fake ...
[00:33] <jimqode> teamcobra, yah xchat rules!
[00:33] <slavik> software raid is really nice when you want to move your raid array to another system with completely different hardware
[00:34] <teamcobra> yeah, it's a nice client ;) I miss running BX on my dual p133 box 12 years ago
[00:34] <jimqode> teamcobra, what is alfa? can you send me a link?
[00:34] <teamcobra> didn't even have X running on it
[00:34] <teamcobra> yeah, 1 sec, lemme dig it up
[00:34] <jimqode> teamcobra, i started on bitchx on slack also :)
[00:35] <teamcobra> http://rokland.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=294     <---- cheeap, I paid $70 ;p
[00:35] <teamcobra> it rules though, and airoscript/aircrack can break wep in 59s w/ it ;)
[00:36] <jimqode> teamcobra, hmm if it can inject it's da shit :)
[00:37] <teamcobra> jim: yeah, passes all injection tests ;)
[00:37] <teamcobra> and the range is phenomenal
[00:37]  * teamcobra does pentesting as a side job ;)
[00:38] <jimqode> it's weird. i opened the bay and the chip on the wifi card says bcm4311kfbg. but hardy says 4312 in lspci
[00:38] <jimqode> which one is true
[00:38] <jimqode> hmmm
[00:38] <teamcobra> good question ;p
[00:38] <nikrud> teamcobra what kind of range?
[00:38] <jimqode> also i discovered i have two more antennae cables in the slot
[00:39] <orkun> hey there. just formated and installed hardy beta. last time(3 days ago) had installed latest alpha. now i have 1000 fps - before i had 700 - with glxgears. i even played around before with modules. how come my fps did increase so much? and how come at all? nothing should be different :/ had compiz running now and before
[00:39] <orkun> i mean it is good ^^ just wanna know why ^^
[00:39] <teamcobra> nikrud: I'll have to actually keep track next time I go out ;) I hit an ap across an entire apartment complex though (5 buildings away, hilly terrain)
[00:40] <nikrud> good range :)
[00:40] <orkun> hardy surprisingly is doing wonders all over the world :E
[00:41] <jimqode> orkun, new X version maybe?
[00:41] <orkun> both 7.3
[00:41] <orkun> i mean it was just as up to date as now ^^
[00:41] <teamcobra> wow, I just got 3133.615 fps in glxgears... does that round up to 3133.7? :D
[00:41] <orkun> i even encountered the same errors and had to make the same adjustment at xorg.conf
[00:41] <orkun> this time - yeah teamcobra :)
[00:42] <teamcobra> heheheh :D
[00:42] <slavik> 68521 frames in 5.0 seconds = 13704.135 FPS
[00:42] <slavik> :)
[00:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> teamcobra, which card is that?
[00:42] <teamcobra> I figured we could probably fudge it, I have ff open and such, it could've hit it otherwise ;)
[00:42] <teamcobra> Hardy: AMD 780g IGP  (really a radeon hd 3200)
[00:42] <orkun> hey now i feel bad :) stop glxgear-nuking me ^^
[00:42]  * slavik has an 8800gts 640mb
[00:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nice
[00:43] <teamcobra> the mobo was $70, w/ hdmi out and 8 channel sound ;)
[00:43] <slavik> teamcobra: the sound chip is crappy ;)
[00:43] <jimqode> it's pci express mini. i want to cry.
[00:43] <slavik> all on-board sound is crap
[00:43] <teamcobra> slavik: I'm sure it is ;)
[00:43] <teamcobra> slavik: the intel hda in this laptop can handle traktor @ 10ms though
[00:44] <teamcobra> in wine ;)
[00:44] <slavik> traktor?
[00:44] <teamcobra> (other machine, not the 780g, haven't tried on that)
[00:44] <orkun> start using laptops you guys ^^
[00:44] <teamcobra> dj'ing app by native instruments
[00:44] <teamcobra> I also use renoise
[00:45] <slavik> I see
[00:45] <teamcobra> no probs on a totally POS sound card, thanks to jack
[00:45] <teamcobra> I mean, they don't even have asio drivers for these things in windows... but I've gotten *near* audiophile 2496 performance
[00:46] <teamcobra> and now a lot of VIA's onboard sound is actually the same as the 2496, they call it via "vinyl audio," but it's the same envy24 chipset
[00:46] <teamcobra> or ICE chipset or whatever, I haven't actually had a personal desktop to pop my old 2496 in in a while, nor do I care, jack is good enough ;)
[00:47] <teamcobra> (w/ the rt kernel, of course)   brb, smoke
[00:50] <Raspberry> sorry I had to go cook dinner
[00:53] <thompa> with lsusb i have different device numbers between x64 and x386. Also one lists a new lazer pointer?
[00:54] <thompa> i got lazer pointer in x386 but in x64 there is the sony as Bus 001 Device 005: ID 054c:0325 Sony Corp. it works only there
[00:54] <thompa> so devices is all messed up i guess
[00:55] <thompa> how can i change what is listing the devices?
[00:56] <steph_> Did someone here try hardy as a virtualbox guest?
[01:00] <jimqode> Intel 3945 802.11a/b/g Mini PCI Express Adapter <= does anyone use this?
[01:00] <jimqode> steph_, i did.
[01:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mini pci as in laptop?
[01:00] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yes
[01:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> then yes
[01:00] <jimqode> mini pci-ex 3945 intel card
[01:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> yes
[01:01] <jimqode> does work ok with hardy? does it inject packets with aircrack?
[01:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it works with hardy, but i donno what's aircrack
[01:01] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, with native drivers?
[01:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> !aircrack
[01:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aircrack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <jimqode> !aircrack-ng
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aircrack-ng - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, the driver is "built-in" to the kernel
[01:02] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, superb!
[01:02] <jimqode> !package aircrack-ng
[01:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, a crack tool?
[01:03] <jimqode> yes it's a wep and wpa crack tool
[01:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, can it crack any wep keys?
[01:04] <jimqode> yes it can. if your card support packet injection it cracks wep very fast
[01:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so 3945 supports it?
[01:04] <jimqode> if it doesn't the cracking speed depends on the speed of communication going on on that ap
[01:04] <jimqode> i don't know. i'm trying to figure it out:)
[01:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ah..
[01:06] <jimqode> it seems it can inject with ipwraw drivers
[01:06] <jimqode> says so here: http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=12165
[01:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, so how can i tell if i have that driver?
[01:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nvm, it's not
[01:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the one with hardy is iwl
[01:08] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, it's a hacked driver i think: http://aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=ipw3945
[01:08] <jimqode> [Hardy]TuTUXG, hacked to send raw data that is
[01:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> interesting
[01:09] <jimqode> I decided to buy that card right now :)
[01:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jimqode, r u on hardy?
[01:09] <jimqode> my broadcom is no good for nothing
[01:10] <jimqode> i'm on my desktop pc right now. my laptop is hardy
[01:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i c
[01:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> im going to try it
[01:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> never knew u can crack down wep and wpa
[01:12] <jimqode> wep is easily crackable
[01:12] <jimqode> wpa is more secureish :)
[01:13] <jimqode> if your card can inject it takes 5-10 minutes to crack any wep encrypted ap
[01:13] <jimqode> i'm going to sleep now. i hope i see you tomorrow to learn how it went :)
[01:13] <jimqode> nighty night all
[01:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> night
[01:14] <DarkMageZ> wpa-psk isn't 100% either. if someone sniffs out someone sucessfully authenticating to the ap then they can after a bit of processing power.
[01:15] <tgrundle> i am having some issue with compiz and a "Radeon RV100 QY" graphics card in hardy. i know the card is old, but thought it should be bale to handle normal effects.  anyone interested in helping me out
[01:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DarkMageZ, have u tried aircrack?
[01:17] <DarkMageZ> [Hardy]TuTUXG, nope. never done any of it in practice. reading & understanding the theory was cool tho.
[01:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nice
[01:18] <minx> hello!
[01:19] <adinc> i'm new to ubuntu, i used debian before, i installed hardy onto my relatifly new notebook, i took this version in order to have as much as possible hardware support with the distribution. now i have a wireless device from intel called Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABC NetworkConnection, i can see this device with iwconfig and ifconfig, but the ubuntu tool in the pannel is not able to make a connection ot my wep encrypted network. iwlist scanning also doesn't display my w
[01:20] <Nuke_> upgrading gutsy to hardy... is there more to it than just updating all packages?
[01:20] <astheglorious> keyboard does not work after you install ndiswrapper using the realtek 8187b drivers
[01:21] <nikrud> Nuke_ adding new packages, removing obsolete packages
[01:22] <adrian2002ca> does hardy have fixed broadcom drivers?
[01:23] <Nuke_> ok. anyone know why Xgl might be broken since the hardy upgrade
[01:23] <adinc> is someone using successfuly a Intel Corporation Mobile 965 Graphics gard with hardy?
[01:23] <adrian2002ca> (wireless)\
[01:25] <minx> Have trouble getting screen resolution up from deplorable 640X480 in 8.04 beta alternate. Debian etch 40r3 detects monitor (DELL/Sony ultrascan N990) and video card Gigabyte 7300 GS just fine. Any advice?
[01:25] <Joeb454> hey, any reason tab-complete doesn't work for apt-get aptitude? it works for any other command
[01:27] <ninjapants> can someone help me with some problems with a nfs share?
[01:28] <adrian2002ca> hello, anyone know if broadcom wireless card drivers are included with hardy?
[01:28] <chdst> adrian2002ca: Yes and no :)
[01:28] <nikrud> Nuke_ don't need xgl in hardy
[01:28] <nikrud> Nuke_ erm, for ati that is
[01:29] <adrian2002ca> chdst: wha do u mean, you elusive responder?
[01:29] <chdst> adrian2002ca: I'm typing something a little more useful...a moment...
[01:29] <naught101> hrrm... a week ago, my scanner was working fine. now when I plug it in, it doesn't even get detected
[01:30] <naught101> it's a mustek, USB, was working with sane
[01:30] <nikrud> Joeb454 there's some bash-completion bugs, I've read that using the /etc/bash-completion from gutsy works. They did some changes and haven't worked all the bugs out
[01:30] <naught101> any idea how I might find out what the problem is?
[01:30] <chdst> adrian2002ca: I don't remember exactly how this process works, some someone more helpful might correct me. That said, the gutsy ubuntu installer has always detected and attempted to install drivers for my broadcom based card, but in gutsy it failed to actually make the thing work.
[01:30] <naught101> lsusb still detects it
[01:30] <Joeb454> hmm, well as it's the one command nikrud I should be ok, as long as it gets fixed :)
[01:30] <chdst> adrian2002ca: Hardy, on the other hand, did just fine for me. "You mileage may vary"
[01:30] <nikrud> Joeb454 for me, sudo <tab> fails miserably
[01:31] <nikrud> Joeb454 my attitude exactly. A minor thing really
[01:31] <joe__> hey everyone, I can't get synaptic, update manager, software sessions, or add/remove to pull up since the latest hardy update, anyone have any idea's to help me out?
[01:31] <nikrud> naught101 a lot of people are having problems with broadcom right now
[01:31] <adrian2002ca> chdst: sounds good, it seems this is the long awaited update that fixes everything :D
[01:31] <naught101> nikrud: I didn't mention braodcom...
[01:31] <slavik> joe__: when you try to run sudo apt-get update in terminal, do you get any error messages?
[01:32] <chdst> adrian2002ca: It has been, for me, but it's still beta and I'm not in the false hope business. :)
[01:32] <nikrud> naught101 sorry, wrong nick.
[01:32] <Joeb454> :) thanks anyway nikrud, other than that I'm sure you'll be pleased to know I have 0 issues :D
[01:32] <Joeb454> thanks
[01:33] <joe__> slavik: nope no errors
[01:33] <nikrud> I had broadcom issues, but worked around with wpa_applicant. I tried very hard not to learn it, but it snuck up from behind ;)
[01:33] <slavik> joe__: does it output anything at all?
[01:33] <adrian2002ca> chdst: i know, i saw that coming, but cant help the feeling one gets :P
[01:33] <joe__> slavik: just that it hit all the packages
[01:34]  * nikrud plays again with the screen brightness, simply because he can
[01:34] <adinc> is someone here who could help me setting up ubuntu with my graphic gard which is a intel mobile 965?
[01:35] <ninjapants> so i'm trying to mount my first nfs volume and i'm getting a "permission denied" message
[01:35] <joe__> slavik: when i sudo synaptic i get /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[01:35] <joe__>   warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[01:35] <slavik> joe__: so it runs ... what was the actual problem?
[01:35] <slavik> but does synaptic run?
[01:36] <joe__> slavik: well i can't run it through system>admin and i can't run add/remove or update manager gui wise... just terminal everything
[01:36] <slavik> check the commands that are used ... they should have gksudo in front ...
[01:37] <joe__> slavik: it says gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic
[01:37] <slavik> ok, good
[01:37] <joe__> slavik: basically i can run things through terminal but this is my wife's computer and i need to make it as easy as possible for her
[01:37] <slavik> hmm, change it to gksudo
[01:37] <joe__> and i dont know why nothing works unless through term
[01:38] <slavik> see if that works ...
[01:39] <joe__> slavik: still no go, just get the busy cursor and nothing happens
[01:39] <slavik> but it is a weird problem (hopefully, synaptic will use policykit)
[01:39] <slavik> try to run the command in the terminal
[01:39] <joe__> slavik: yeah i have no clue
[01:39] <slavik> also, you have only 1 X session, right?
[01:39] <joe__> what do u mean
[01:40] <slavik> making sure that there aren't 2 x sessions which might cause troubles
[01:41] <syke> hi
[01:41] <syke> during an update some time in the last week, my ndiswrapper-based wireless driver stopped working
[01:41] <joe__> slavik: pretty sure i don't how would i check
[01:41] <syke> is someone actively working on this?
[01:41] <IndyGunFreak> how do you import a bookmarks html file into firefox?.. thats ridiculous, i choose import from the file menu, and there's no option to navigate toa  file..lol
[01:42] <slavik> joe__: just switch to other virtual terminals and make sure there is no X there ... terminals 7 through 12 are of interest here
[01:42] <slavik> IndyGunFreak: you can copy your old profile over ...
[01:43] <IndyGunFreak> its already toast.. i've never had to do that before.
[01:43] <IndyGunFreak> i just always import the bookmarks.html, and its fine
[01:43] <slavik> hmm, from firefox2 to firefox3?
[01:44] <slavik> on my system it automatically imported firefox2 stuff, you might want to try #firefox ...
[01:44] <joe__> slavik: nope just 1
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> slavik: yes
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> i did a clean install.
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> i had my bookmarks.html file backed up, like i always do.
[01:44] <IndyGunFreak> and usualliy, i import it w/o issue..l not this time
[01:44] <slavik> joe__: have you tried to update? maybe there is a bug that is fixed with an update ...
[01:45] <telexicon> speaking of firefox
[01:45] <joe__> yup tried that too
[01:45] <telexicon> whats going to happen with firefox 3?
[01:45] <joe__> its soooo weird
[01:45] <telexicon> apparently it wont be out until june?
[01:45] <slavik> telexicon: interesting ...
[01:45] <slavik> joe__: the last thing to do is try to search for the error message on google and see what you can dig up ...
[01:52] <IndyGunFreak> well, thats a pain in the ass..
[01:53] <IndyGunFreak> i imported the bookmarks to opera, then started firefox, chose to import, and it would allow me to import from opera... go figure
[01:53] <IndyGunFreak> hope that gets fixed, thats annoying
[01:53] <slavik> agreed
[01:56] <zagabog> part
[02:01] <dmakalsky> Hi, I have a thinkpad x60, and I upgraded to hardy.  It seems like the wireless is broken.  Is there a known fix?
[02:05] <jin> http://www.aimersoft.com/dvd-ripper.html
[02:05] <uka> Hello all, I have downloaded the Ubuntu 8.4 iso but am trying to install from the iso file rather than burning it to cd using the instructions from http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html : it starts the ubuntu installation, but it then asks for the cd and fails when I don't provide it... I am noticing it mentioned that there is a separate initrd.img I should download instead that would continue from
[02:17] <Flannel> uka: Try these instead: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation the "without a CD" section
[02:17] <nikrud> vlc is playing movies pixelated with frglrx (both compiz and metacity) , is this something others are seeing?
[02:18] <uka> tell Flannel: thanks - will try
[02:18] <nikrud> totem also. crappy ati
[02:18] <VanDyke> ati and linux is bad news ahhaha
[02:18] <VanDyke> experienced that first hand
[02:19] <nikrud> I guess I'll checkout the open driver and movies later
[02:30] <naught101> ok, this is a bit strange, but after a recend upgrade, my user was removed from the scanner group, meaning I couldn't access my scanner
[02:30] <naught101> can someone else with a scanner confirm if this has happened to them in the past week?
[02:36] <nikrud> groups
[02:37] <nikrud> doh
[02:51] <naught101> would anyone know why I can access my scanner with kooka or xsane when I run with sudo, but not as a normal user?
[02:51] <naught101> my user is in both the scanner and the saned group
[02:51] <Pirate_Hunter> hmmm hello just wondering if vbox allows guest additions when running ubuntu hardy heron?
[02:53] <Pirate_Hunter> hmmm hello just wondering if vbox allows guest additions when running ubuntu hardy heron?
[03:01] <Pirate_Hunter> hello...?
[03:10] <frank__> what is the package name for the advanced compiz settings?
[03:12] <frank__> !compiz
[03:12] <dns53> compizconfig-settings-manager ?
[03:12] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[03:12] <frank__> dns53, yeah I think that's it
[03:13] <emet_> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:14] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager (source: compizconfig-settings-manager): Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 599 kB, installed size 3980 kB
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hmm, torrents are cool.
[03:35] <dbmoodb> transmition is being used now no ?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:35]  * Hobbsee is playing with transmissioncli
[03:35] <dbmoodb> cli really ? not rtorrent
[03:35] <ethana2> Is there a company that supports Ubuntu on non-x86 archs?
[03:36] <dbmoodb> ethana2: that is hard to find --> which arch ? ... debian supports a lot more than ubuntu these days it seems
[03:36] <ethana2> dmoodb: it is supported /on/ more archs
[03:36]  * Hobbsee watches the network usage spike
[03:36] <ethana2> bmoodb: ...ppc, cell, and sparc
[03:36] <ethana2> heh, sorry
[03:37] <ethana2> slaughtered that name of yours
[03:37] <dbmoodb> cell ? .... what is that ... ppc  / mips ?
[03:37] <ethana2> Cell Broadband Engine
[03:37] <ethana2> ppc + spu's
[03:37] <ethana2> used in the PS3 and stuff
[03:37] <dbmoodb> not the sony "cell"
[03:37] <RAOF> Yes, the sony "cell".
[03:37] <ethana2> The IBM "cell"
[03:38] <dbmoodb> oh linux runs on it .... maybe -- you would need to look it up more
[03:38] <RAOF> For those with a ps3, I'd be interested to see how well gallium works for you :)
[03:38] <ethana2> well of course it runs
[03:38] <ethana2> RAOF: but of course
[03:38]  * dbmoodb wishes there was a firefox keyboard short cut to the next tab along
[03:38] <ethana2> ...but people with ppc macs and ps3's are getting ignored by canonical
[03:38] <ethana2> when there are known bugs
[03:38] <dbmoodb> ... its not netbsd you know
[03:39] <ethana2> i'm just thinking it may be a good idea to start a business
[03:39] <dbmoodb> well i wouldn't call a ps3 a production system
[03:39] <RAOF> dbmoodb: My wish is your command.  I've just added "ctrl-tab" for exactly what you want!
[03:39] <dbmoodb> oh forgot about that ...
[03:39] <ethana2> RAOF: false
[03:39] <dns53> there are ibm servers with cell processors
[03:39] <ethana2> that's the last used tab
[03:39] <xjjk> ethana2: I think they rely on the community to support those platforms
[03:39] <ethana2> dns53: yes there are
[03:39] <xjjk> ethana2: Canonical gets flamed for not supporting KDE either
[03:39] <ethana2> xjjk: we can only do so much
[03:40] <dbmoodb> eh ? don't they ?
[03:40] <dbmoodb> i thought they picked that up..
[03:40] <ethana2> xjjk: they do support kde
[03:40]  * RAOF cycles through all his tabs, one-by-one, in order, with ctrl-tab.
[03:40] <ethana2> kjjk: just not on the same releases
[03:40] <xjjk> dbmoodb: that's debatable
[03:40] <xjjk> while I rather use Kubuntu over Ubuntu, Ubuntu is a lot more "polished" IMHO
[03:40] <RAOF> ethana2: Yes.  PPC is no longer an officially supported arch.
[03:40] <ethana2> yes it is
[03:40] <ethana2> oh sorry, RAOF
[03:40] <ethana2> brb
[03:41] <ethana2> back, and RAOF: that's /exactly/ what I speak of
[03:41] <ethana2> Ubuntu has to replace OSX
[03:41] <ethana2> mac users are great marketing
[03:41] <ethana2> ^_^
[03:42] <RAOF> And it can, on modern hardware.  But very few of the developers actually *have* PPC hardware, which makes it somewhat difficult :)
[03:42] <dbmoodb> why is that ethana2 ? i thought it was steve
[03:42] <ethana2> I think a company that supported Ubuntu on the Cell, PPC, and sparc could match canonical's market share
[03:42] <xjjk> so, question with encrypted partitions: boot has to be non-encrypted?
[03:42] <RAOF> xjjk: _Yes_.
[03:43] <xjjk> RAOF: how "secure" is that... an attacker could replace stuff on /boot with tainted files...
[03:43] <ethana2> RAOF: if someone went out and bought all of them powerbooks, would it change the course of humanity?
[03:43] <xjjk> I am debating whether to do the encrypted disk setup
[03:43] <RAOF> xjjk: Actually... I'm not quite sure.  It's possible that you can have an encrypted /boot.  On the other hand, there's very little reason to encrypt /boot.
[03:43] <xjjk> RAOF: to prevent tampering with kernel/initrds
[03:44] <RAOF> xjjk: Right.  I was more interested in the 'someone takes your laptop, and doesn't have access to all your files' use case, but you're right.
[03:44] <ethana2> Well, I'll just have to see what I can find...
[03:44] <xjjk> RAOF: seems as if this is pointless, especially for the overhead...
[03:44] <xjjk> might as well use some userspace thing like encryptfs or whatever it is
[03:44] <dbmoodb> lets follow the slashdot method here xjjk its linux, mostly thieves will be like wtf is this
[03:45] <dbmoodb> and delete the thing
[03:45] <xjjk> yeh, so not worth doing the encryption..
[03:45] <xjjk> at least not for everything
[03:45] <xjjk> maybe I'll encrypt /home just because I can/should..
[03:45] <dbmoodb> i think that is it a bit silly you should only encrypt what you need to encrypt
[03:46] <xjjk> dbmoodb: exactly
[03:46] <xjjk> I want to encrypt everything...
[03:46] <dbmoodb> the rest they can have ;)
[03:46] <dns53> encription is there to stop the average person from reading your files, it does nothing to protect your computer from root kits and other attacks like that
[03:46] <xjjk> dbmoodb: errr, sorry, misread what you meant
[03:46]  * [mbm] has everything on an encrypted lvm partition
[03:46] <[mbm]> (let the flamewar begin)
[03:46] <xjjk> dbmoodb: the point of encrypting everything is to prevent tampering of those binaries that interact with stuff on the encrypted volumes
[03:46] <dns53> dns53  is an idiot
[03:47] <dbmoodb> ahm, the point is too secure data
[03:47] <xjjk> [mbm]: do you use an encrypted /boot? how do you guarantee security on it
[03:47] <dbmoodb> not encrypt for the sake of encryption
[03:48] <dbmoodb>  ah and is the option in the gui hardy install -- never did it from the cd (upgraded from gutsy)
[03:48] <[mbm]> xjjk: no, I don't have an encrypted boot, but given that it's an eee with a bios password and boot is on an ssd it would be rather difficult to change /boot
[03:48] <xjjk> [mbm]: I see
[03:49] <dbmoodb> if its solid state does that make it different to a hard disk when you turn it off for temporary files ...
[03:50] <[mbm]> dbmoodb: the point I was trying to make is that you'd need to physically unsoder it form the motherboard if you wanted to tamper with /boot
[03:50] <dbmoodb> oh really ? is it that far in...
[03:50] <xjjk> [mbm]: that's pretty hot, actually
[03:50] <dns53> flash has a limited lifetime, i would have thought encryption would mean an awful lot more writes
[03:50] <xjjk> I'm waiting for 9" EeePCs to become commonplace...
[03:50] <xjjk> er, available..
[03:51] <dbmoodb> the eee 701 is becoming rather common
[03:51] <dns53> well i'm happy with my 701
[03:51] <[mbm]> dbmoodb: the "disk" is a set of 4 1g flash chips on the motherboard
[03:51] <[mbm]> the encrypted lvm is on an sd card
[03:53] <RAOF> xjjk: So, in total: you _probably_ can encrypt /boot; it'll get unlocked in the initramfs, so as long as grub can deal with what it unlocks to everything should be fine.
[03:54] <dns53> i don't know from experience but perhaps trucrypt can do this?
[03:54] <[mbm]> apart from some TPM methods I can't think of how you could encrypt /boot
[03:54] <dbmoodb> you can put /boot on a usb drive no :)
[03:55] <xjjk> [mbm]: very good point... didn't think about that...
[03:55] <[mbm]> dbmoodb: sure, but that wouldn't really change the security of it
[03:55] <dbmoodb> mbm i can eat it then
[03:56] <dbmoodb> don't ask how i get it back
[03:58] <[mbm]> I won't ask that, but I will ask you to wash it
[03:58] <dbmoodb> wash ?
[03:58] <[mbm]> clean it
[03:58] <dbmoodb> put it in a plastic bag ?
[04:05] <tgelter> hey all, can someone point me in the right direction as to how to get NetworkManger to play nicely with WPA2 ?
[04:07] <Asa_A> What might cause my Unlock button on Users and groups to be grey? I'm the main user on my computer so I should be able to press"Unlock" and add a user.
[04:07] <dbmoodb> how come it isn't atm
[04:10] <dbmoodb> tgelter what is happening ? is the wifi network going up and down ?
[04:12] <tgelter> dbmoodb: if I try to connect to my home network (router is broadcasting with wpa2), networkmanager will act like it's going to connect, but then just fall back to a local unsecured access point
[04:13] <dbmoodb> ah dhcp configured or is the ip set ?
[04:14] <tgelter> dhcp
[04:14] <dbmoodb> and you are in range - what card / chipset is it ?
[04:14] <tgelter> dbmoodb: yeah, range isn't the issue. it's the iwl4965
[04:15] <dbmoodb> oh .... not familiar with it - was it ever working with wpa2 ?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> so, that was interesting.
[04:16] <tgelter> I just looked through the logs and saw this message: "Error opening supplicant global control interface" (yes, it worked great up until I upgraded to hardy)
[04:16] <dbmoodb> what was ? Hobbsee. is it using the iwlwifi in hardy or the old one
[04:16]  * Hobbsee just used rtorrent, then had her system go unresponsive.
[04:16] <dbmoodb> rtorrent ... rofl
[04:17] <dbmoodb> how did rtorrent crash your system .....- that is interesting
[04:17]  * xjjk burns a Kubuntu Hardy AMD64 CD...
[04:17] <nikrud> correlation is not causation
[04:18] <tgelter> dbmoodb: so no idea as to what I could try? (I can certainly go research, but wondered if this was a common issue)
[04:18] <dbmoodb> check launchpad
[04:19] <spr0k3t_> morning all.
[04:21] <spr0k3t_> anyone having problems with enabling hardware graphics accel on an nvidia card?
[04:50] <macogw> X just died on me...but I know from having this happen randomly for the last couple weeks that GDM will not restart after one of these (have to reboot)...what are the odds it's not X that's crashing, but GDM?
[04:52] <charles__> Gnome apps are giving me "Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument" when I try to play music; I can get sound out of other apps (flash, amarok)
[05:03] <tgelter> so enlighten me...why would we "upgrade" gnome-system-monitor to be all pretty if in order to show the smooth scrolling line graph, 50% cpu is used?
[05:04] <nikrud> tgelter I get negligible cpu
[05:04] <RAOF> tgelter: It only takes so much CPU if your drivers are crap.  Sadly, almost all drivers _are_ crap :/
[05:05] <spr0k3t_> tgelter: htop is your friend.
[05:05] <macogw> or just normal top...
[05:05] <tgelter> spr0k3t: I use and love ntop, but it's nice being able to click the applet and see what's going on quickly
[05:05] <tgelter> RAOF: what drivers are you refering to?
[05:05] <RAOF> tgelter: Video drivers.
[05:05] <tgelter> I'm using nvidia-glx-new
[05:06] <RAOF> Yup; they're crap.
[05:06] <tgelter> and I should be using what? using the newer driver from the manufacturer?
[05:06] <spr0k3t_> yeah, I can't even get twinview working with nvidia-glx-new on hardy right now.
[05:06] <nikrud> probably are using the latest, the ati is
[05:07] <RAOF> Well, you can get negligable CPU usage there with the nouveau drivers, but yeah, there's really nothing better for general use than nvidia-glx-new.
[05:07] <tgelter> I'll see if that's the issue, I'll bbl to report. thanks!
[05:07] <RAOF> That doesn't change the fact that they're crap :)
[05:07] <tgelter> if only nvidia would open them
[05:07] <nikrud> good crap, but crap non the less?
[05:07] <spr0k3t_> tgelter: it depends on what card you have. if it's bleeding edge like the 9 series... then yeah, go with the manufacturers graphics, otherwise, stick to the repos.
[05:08] <tgelter> so wicd is pretty awesome compared to networkmanager
[05:08] <tgelter> spr0k3t_ I just have the NV140 (on a t61 laptop)
[05:09] <spr0k3t_> I'm not sure, but I think the hal for that core is in the glx-new.
[05:09] <tgelter> how would I check?
[05:09] <spr0k3t_> the lenovo t61 has been out for what, two years?
[05:10] <tgelter> no idea...though I don't think quite that long
[05:10] <spr0k3t_> not sure on how to check... I remember working with a t60 using a similar nvidia go reference chip.
[05:11] <spr0k3t_> that system worked flawlessly with the glx-new.
[05:11] <tgelter> I haven't had any issues, though some of you seem to think that the high cpu usage I'm seeing in gnome-system-monitor is due to the the driver
[05:12] <tgelter> I wonder though, why would compiz (even the "advanced stuff") work so flawlessly and at the same time have the problem with gnome-system-monitor?
[05:12] <RAOF> tgelter: So, using nvidia-glx-new I have ~30% CPU usage in Xorg while using gnome-system-monitor.  With nouveau, I have ~2%.
[05:12] <spr0k3t_> not sure... I haven't been able to get compiz working with the dual head setup.
[05:13] <tgelter> !nouveau
[05:13] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[05:13] <tgelter> RAOF: does compiz work under nouveau?
[05:13] <RAOF> It _is_ the driver.  g-s-m is using quite a lot of Cairo stuff, which is only really well accelerated by nouveau at the moment.
[05:13] <RAOF> tgelter: Sadly, no.  Otherwise I'd never use the blob at all.
[05:14] <tgelter> sad, I'd like to get away from the blob as well, though I haven't found a  way...I'm addicted to compiz
[05:14] <spr0k3t_> yeah, but the nouveau is doing damn good for reverse engineering a closed chipset.
[05:15] <tgelter> hopefully it'll keep making progress until it's better than the closed driver, maybe that'd make nvidia consider opening up
[05:15] <RAOF> Well, yes.  2d is pretty much done for < nv5x (and is faster/better quality/more featureful than the blob).
[05:16] <teamcobra> nvidia's going to have to open up eventually, if amd gets their act together
[05:16] <RAOF> And pays for some full-time open-source X hackers, like Intel does.
[05:16] <spr0k3t_> RAOF: what about dual screens for 2d?  I can't even get that working with the blob.
[05:17] <RAOF> spr0k3t_: Heh.  It supports XRandR 1.2, so (a) dual screens is really easy, and (b) Ubuntu's new Screen Resolution applet works with it.
[05:17] <teamcobra> RAOF: yup, but they have the hardware that could compete w/ nvidia, where intel really doesn't
[05:17] <RAOF> spr0k3t_: But you should be able to do dual screens really easily with the blob.
[05:18] <spr0k3t_> RAOF: works awesome with my gutsy drive... using twinview like a bomb... but every time I try to configure it for hardy, I have to repair x.
[05:18] <spr0k3t_> same settings.
[05:18] <jimmygoon> my current max volume is remarkably low :(
[05:19] <kebinusan> I keep getting errors trying to launch urls from things like xchat with firefox3, There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location., how do I go about fixing such things
[05:19] <RAOF> spr0k3t_: Hm.  Dunno.  Maybe start by trying to just use nvidia-settings to do dynamic twinview first?
[05:20] <spr0k3t_> RAOF: yeah, I've been through all the trials with it.  I've even made a PXE image so I can reinstall the system in two minutes.
[05:20] <tgelter> thanks guys, I'm outta here
[05:20] <tgelter> g'night
[05:20] <spr0k3t_> laterz
[05:21] <teamcobra> hrmm, my laptop sees the smb shares on the server, but the server doesn't see the laptop's shares (smb or nfs, in fact, the laptop can't see the folders inside of the share)
[05:22] <teamcobra> jimmygoon: double-click on the speaker and turn your pcm up
[05:22] <jimmygoon> teamcobra, if I turn it up any more the sound gets distorted
[05:22] <teamcobra> then turn the pcm up, turn the main volume down
[05:23] <teamcobra> and slowly turn the main volume up until it's perfect ;)
[05:23] <gaminggeek> can anyone remember how to get a wacom tablet to go in ubuntu?
[05:23] <jimmygoon> should I leave pcm at high?
[05:23] <nikrud> jimmygoon about 80% is a good starting point
[05:24] <teamcobra> right, don't turn it all the way up, clipping is bad ;)
[05:24] <jimmygoon> nikrud, thats what I used to have it at until i noticed how quiet it got today (presumably after some update)
[05:24] <teamcobra> it does depend on the card though
[05:25] <jimmygoon> as for smb, my windows machine has never willingly seen my ubuntu's shares
[05:25] <nikrud> love those updates :)
[05:25] <jimmygoon> I'm just thrilled that my pc stopped beeping at me
[05:25] <teamcobra> yeah, both of these machines are hardy
[05:26] <jimmygoon> though rhythmbox is still "stopping the policy action from taking place: Playing" which is a strange message when I open/close the lid
[05:26] <macogw> jimmygoon: it's saying "no you cannot *action taken when lid is closed*! i'm busy playing!"
[05:26] <macogw> it told me i wasn't allowed to shut down because it was playing music
[05:27] <SeveredCross> Yeah, Banshee does the same thing.
[05:27] <jimmygoon> but its saying an action that it is already doing? Its preventing itself from doing something ... that it is already doing?
[05:27] <teamcobra> owell, I gave up on the shared folder problem for now, Sirius to the rescue ;)
[05:27] <SeveredCross> jimmygoon: Er, I think it's telling you Rhythmbox is preventing whatever is supposed to happen when the lid closes because it's playing.
[05:28] <jimmygoon> OH
[05:28] <jimmygoon> that would sort of make sense ;D
[05:29] <jesse> !info miro
[05:29] <ubotu> miro (source: miro): GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 1908 kB, installed size 7316 kB
[05:30] <jesse> !info miro gutsy
[05:30] <ubotu> miro (source: miro): GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 555 kB, installed size 3012 kB
[05:31] <SeveredCross> Miro has ALWAYS not worked for me.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> And by that, I mea it has never worked.
[05:32] <SeveredCross> SOmetimes it would crash like mad, other times it would actually download stuff but not play anything.
[05:32] <RAOF> Contrast with my experience, which is "always works" :)
[05:33] <Nuke_> Xgl broken in hardy? anyone dealt with this yet?
[05:33] <SeveredCross> In some ways, that's one of the problems with the Linux experience.
[05:33] <SeveredCross> Is that problems can be hard to replicate since not everyone's system works the same.
[05:33] <RAOF> Yes.
[05:33] <SeveredCross> And sometimes it's strange things causing problems.
[05:34] <RAOF> Nuke_: I'm not aware of Xgl being broken.
[05:34] <SeveredCross> Me either, but I don't use Xgl.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> miro needed the icedtea i think - last i used it,
[05:34] <SeveredCross> Miro's not a Java app?
[05:34] <Nuke_> RAOF: i haven't looked into it too deeply, but i get strange errors starting gnome (and compiz) with Xgl running
[05:34] <SeveredCross> I didn't think it was anyway.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> dont ask me why.. but i recall it needign icedtea for somthing.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> I though it was the firefox browser - all hackored up and scripted
[05:35] <Nuke_> just did the full upgrade from gutsy this morning, but had been running mostly hardy for a month or two
[05:35] <Dr_willis> similer to what happned with songbird.
[05:35] <RAOF> Yeah; it's a xul app.  But there is/was a fun bug in firefox/java which killed stuff, including miro.
[05:35] <spr0k3t_> Nuke_: having the same problem with xgl here. are you doing single or dual screen?
[05:36] <Nuke_> spr0k3t_: single
[05:36] <Dr_willis> xul app - like songbird. :) i think..  i think that bug killed both of them
[05:36] <spr0k3t_> you get the xserver.log file error dialog?
[05:37] <Nuke_> spr0k3t_: maybe. i get a dialog explaining that my session lasted <10 seconds, but gnome does actually start albeit without a window manager
[05:37] <spr0k3t_> that's the one
[05:38] <Nuke_> guess compiz is dying and it's not defaulting back on metacity
[05:38] <spr0k3t_> I get the errors even when I don't have compiz running.
[05:38] <spr0k3t_> I've even done the AddRGBblahblahblah option to xorg.conf trick.
[05:38] <Nuke_> like it's not able to load a window manager at all with Xgl
[05:39] <tgelter> ok, so installing the latest nvidia driver did nothing to lower cpu usage with gnome-system-monitor open, oh well
[05:39] <RAOF> tgelter: Indeed.  The driver remains crap :)
[05:40] <RAOF> spr0k3t_: Of course, practically no xorg.conf options make a difference when you're using Xgl.
[05:40] <tgelter> another question, since I upgraded, the only way I can get the "custom" tag to show up under "Appearance" is by installing compizconfig-simple, but I don't want to use the simple config, I want to use the full-fledged config and be able to click "custom" to change to compiz, what do I need to do?
[05:40] <Nuke_> of course the only reason I need Xgl is to solve the choppy video under nvidia glx
[05:41] <spr0k3t_> RAOF: very true... but it was worth the try after all the hair-pulling trying to make it work.
[05:41] <RAOF> Nuke_: "Choppy video"?
[05:41] <Nuke_> RAOF: compiz effects and video playing under compiz seem to show up choppy... like a lower framerate
[05:43] <RAOF> Nuke_: Oh, right.  You may simply want to install compizconfig-settings-manager, go to System->Preferences->Advanced Desktop Effects options->General Options->Display Options, and uncheck "detect refresh rate" and manually set the correct refresh rate.
[05:45] <Nuke_> RAOF: incredible. my googling skills proven ineffective.
[05:45] <Nuke_> can't believe that was it
[05:46] <RAOF> It's because nvidia (deliberately) mis-report the refresh rate, unless you explicitly disable DynamicTwinview.
[05:46] <nikrud> I've been told nvidia lies
[05:46] <Nuke_> why do they do that?
[05:46] <nikrud> !lies
[05:46] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[05:47] <RAOF> Nuke_: Because the way they do dual-screen requires it, basiacally.
[05:47] <Nuke_> ok so more importantly - what is the real purpose of Xgl?
[05:47] <nikrud> tgelter with the full one installed, you get Advanced Desktop Settings , just above appearance
[05:48] <RAOF> Nuke_: It was, and remains, a proof of concept as to how you can accelerate X with only OpenGL.
[05:48] <tgelter> nikrud: all that shows up is "none, normal, extra"
[05:48] <macogw> i give up
[05:48] <tgelter> err, nm
[05:48] <macogw> i'm rebooting
[05:48] <macogw> X can go f off and die
[05:48] <macogw> oh wait, it already did
[05:48] <macogw> hence the rebooting
[05:48] <nikrud> heh
[05:48] <RAOF> Nuke_: It was also useful because drivers are/were crap, and didn't support all sorts of useful things.  Drivers are generally now slightly less crap.
[05:48] <Nuke_> so Xgl just provides the GL overlay?
[05:49] <macogw> yes
[05:49] <macogw> i think...
[05:49] <tgelter> nikrud: I understand that, and I use that tool to configure, but there used to be a link under "appearance --> Visual Effects" called "custom that I could click the radio button to enable the advanced settings, and click the "custom" button to customize (launches advanced compiz-config)
[05:49] <RAOF> No.  Xgl provides a _whole X server_, using only the GL of an underlying X server.
[05:49] <nikrud> tgelter I guess someone figured that since it was in the menu anyway, that button was superfluous
[05:50] <Nuke_> ah. makes sense, then
[05:50] <nikrud> tgelter a couple less clicks might be the reasoning
[05:50] <tgelter> nikrud: the problem is, now I have to run "compiz --replace" to start it in "advanced" mode (which is ok, I can do that easy enough, but annoying) instead of just clicking the button
[05:51] <RAOF> tgelter, nikrud: You now need the simple-ccsm package, rather than compizconfig-settings-manager to get the "Advanced" option.
[05:51] <nikrud> tgelter ? I don't understand, compiz starts automatically for me
[05:52] <tgelter> RAOF: I have installed that before, and got the tab, but when I click on the customize link (or whatever the button is called), it launches the simple config instead of the advanced one
[05:52] <RAOF> Yes, that's right.
[05:53] <tgelter> RAOF: and I'd like it to open the advanced menu like it did before
[05:53] <macogw> RAOF: he wants the advanced one
[05:53] <nikrud> which is in the menu
[05:53] <RAOF> Oh, right.  Well, it doesn't :)
[05:53] <macogw> what does ata exception mask mean?
[05:53] <tgelter> RAOF: I think it ought to be an option, launch the advanced one, or the simple one...
[05:53] <tgelter> oh well
[05:59] <tgelter> is there any way to use HDAPS with PAM to login? like, some sort of "knock-based-authentication"?
[05:59] <tgelter> it'd make for a cool demo when I teach people how cool linux is =)
[06:06] <Lynoure> tgelter: what kind of use do you have in mind? Drop the laptop in order to log out?
[06:07] <tgelter> lynoure: just tilt it
[06:07] <Lynoure> tgelter: seems mildly unhandy, at least for people who use their laptops on the go
[06:07] <tgelter> lynoure: you can already switch between desktops by tapping it (through metacity/compiz)
[06:07] <tgelter> Lynoure: it's estremely unuseful. I just want to do it to show that it can be done
[06:08] <Lynoure> I bet it could be done... just takes someone's attention and time
[06:08] <Lynoure> tgelter: cool
[06:08] <tgelter> maybe it's time I learn how to write a PAM module
[06:09] <Frydrogen> "Look how cool linux is! I can do completely random things with no imaginable benefit!
[06:09] <Frydrogen> "
[06:09] <Frydrogen> that is why linux is a hobbyists solution
[06:10] <tgelter> Frydrogen: those "completely random things with no imaginable benefit" are often the brain-children for great things
[06:10] <macogw> like the one where you tap the sides of the screen to switch workspaces?
[06:10] <macogw> smack the right side of the screen to the left and it moves to the left workspace
[06:10] <macogw> i think someone did that on a mac with one of the add-on workspace things...Virtue Desktops maybe
[06:10] <tgelter> macogw: who knows, likely not, but who knows what kind of idea someone else would pull from that
[06:11] <Frydrogen> tgelter: which is why compiz has all those amazingly useful plugins now I assume..?
[06:11] <Frydrogen> I mean, wobbly windows, what a great thing to come from such an innovative idea!
[06:11] <tgelter> Frydrogen: there are several pieces of compiz that are quite useful
[06:12] <tgelter> wobbly windows, not so much (at least for most people, for me, they give the desktop a more "real" feel...), but others are
[06:12] <Frydrogen> I'm still waiting to hear what they are..
[06:14] <tgelter> the cube, for example. I had a really hard time getting used to using workspaces because my brain doesn't work well like that. Instead of using them, I'd stick to one or *maybe* two of them. with the cube, it's more three-dimensional, which allows me to more easily recall where I have placed a particular window
[06:14] <macogw> tgelter: agreed
[06:14] <RAOF> _
[06:14] <RAOF> _scale_, aka exposé.
[06:14] <macogw> the wobbly windows also feel more natural...paper bends in teh breeze when you move it
[06:14] <RAOF> That's really, really useful.
[06:14] <ether__c> has anyone else noticed firefox 3 beta 4 being really sluggish?
[06:15] <macogw> not me
[06:15]  * RAOF thinks scale is implemented better than Exposé, actually.
[06:15] <gluer> yeh, i have probs using it with compiz
[06:15] <tgelter> Frydrogen: it's fine if you think that something is useless, don't use it. but don't accuse someone's project as being useless
[06:15] <gluer> freezes
[06:16] <Rodya> anyone here have trouble with rtorrent hashing/opening torrents in heron?
[06:17] <Frydrogen> tgelter: Why can't I call someone elses project useless?
[06:17]  * tgelter uses qbittorrent
[06:17] <Frydrogen> tgelter: They put it out in the public
[06:17] <tgelter> Frydrogen: go ahead and call it useless. just don't expect everyone to agree with you
[06:18] <Frydrogen> tgelter: thats fine, but don't try to change my mind either
[06:18] <tgelter> Frydrogen: you asked me to explain myself, which is what I did
[06:18] <Frydrogen> All the cool things it could do, and instead it goes for eye candy
[06:18]  * Frydrogen sighs
[06:18]  * Frydrogen goes towards bed
[06:18] <Frydrogen> It's late here :/
[06:18] <tgelter> g'night
[06:23] <proximo> hi, if i install ubuntu or kubuntu hardy heron beta today, will i be able to upgrade to full from repos once it is released or will i need to reinstall?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:23] <proximo> thats a yes for upgrade i reckon?
[06:24] <RAOF> Indeed.
[06:24] <proximo> cool thanks :)
[06:33] <arvind_> how to run .exe files in ubuntu?
[06:34] <macogw> arvind_: those are windows programs silly!
[06:34] <Gnea> arvind_: install wine
[06:34] <RAOF> arvind_: Not really an #ubuntu+1 question.  Also, the answer is "depends", but starts with "why do you think you can run windows executables on Ubuntu"
[06:35] <macogw> throw a ? into the "" for good measure :P
[06:35] <dbmoodb> i always do ?
[06:37] <arvind_> are there any major developments in HH?
[06:38] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:38] <RAOF> Many.
[06:38] <arvind_> may i know ?
[06:38] <SuperLag> So... what's the verdict on Hardy? Good stuff? :)
[06:39] <DistroJockey> Very :)
[06:39] <dbmoodb> pretty good, broadcom cards are weird -- going to test it some more on that
[06:39] <arvind_> recently i habe downloaded HH beta from ubuntu site. I dont see any changes in UI.
[06:39] <SuperLag> 3% down, 97 to to
[06:39] <SuperLag> to go, that is
[06:39] <dbmoodb> arvind_:  its a lot more document -- tool tip like ( have not figured how to turn it off and now i am used to some of it)
[06:39] <SuperLag> DistroJockey: what's noticeable over Gutsy?
[06:39] <dbmoodb> apparmour settings -- gui
[06:40] <DistroJockey> SuperLag: Speed, xorg.conf works nice
[06:40] <dbmoodb> speed ... ah not yet
[06:40] <tgelter> would someone like to help me fix what should be a simple vlc problem (audio isn't working, I think I have a setting incorrectly specified)
[06:41] <dbmoodb> unless you think otherwise DistroJockey, i consider it to be slower or more resource intensive than gutsy atm
[06:41] <macogw> arvind_: didnt notice any of the Policy Kit stuff in your System tools?
[06:41] <SuperLag> tgelter: delete ~/.vlc and start over?
[06:41] <macogw> arvind_: in the appearances thing there's also a new theme, human-murrine
[06:41] <SuperLag> tgelter: if you can't find your mystery setting, that is
[06:41] <tgelter> SuperLag: good point, I'll try that
[06:42] <DistroJockey> dbmoodb: ok, maybe not speed.
[06:42] <tgelter> yeah, still no go, maybe I need some other package installed
[06:42] <SuperLag> tgelter: that's strange. Does audio work in other apps?
[06:42] <dbmoodb> pulse audio ?
[06:43] <SuperLag> What repos should I use? will Hardy break for me?
[06:43] <arvind_> Macgow: I dont see the human-murrine theme.
[06:43]  * SuperLag hides
[06:43] <tgelter> SuperLag: certainly, check this: http://pastebin.com/d1c7dc19
[06:43] <SuperLag> I'm just kidding, for anyone ready to flame me
[06:44] <dbmoodb> there are no trolls here
[06:44]  * dbmoodb hides
[06:44] <arvind_> macgow: where is the Policy kit stuff? i dont see it.
[06:45] <SuperLag> wtf?
[06:45] <SuperLag> doesn't Ubuntu use ALSA, by default?
[06:45]  * SuperLag could be way out of touch here
[06:45] <RAOF> Yes.  ALSA and pulseaudio are different layers of the stack.
[06:46] <SuperLag> I use Ubie on a box with no sound... so I pay no attention to that part
[06:46] <SuperLag> RAOF: it would seem like something is amiss with tgelter's sound stack. I don't see any attempts to start stuff that looks like it's tied to ALSA
[06:47] <tgelter> RAOF,SuperLag: but every other app works fine...I think I just borked something up with vlc
[06:47] <SuperLag> wow, this is sad. 15 mins, and I'm stuck at 3%
[06:47] <SuperLag> the mirrors are getting hammered, aren't they...
[06:48]  * Hobbsee gives SuperLag the boot
[06:48] <RAOF> tgelter: You may want to run "asoundconf set-pulseaudio" to get the default ALSA output to go through Pulseaudio (and then to ALSA again).
[06:48] <arvind_>  where is the Policy kit stuff?
[06:48] <SuperLag> anyone have a torrent for the beta?
[06:48]  * Hobbsee does
[06:48] <Hobbsee> ubuntu release notes did, too
[06:48] <SuperLag> I didn't read them directly. I got the info via my feed readers.
[06:48] <SuperLag> reader
[06:48] <arvind_> macgow: where is the Policy kit?
[06:48] <dbmoodb> sorry torrent ? oh ah can i join the torrent pool if i get the iso from my isp ?
[06:49] <dbmoodb> (same checksum i think)
[06:49] <tgelter> RAOF: when I ran that, I saw no output, and when I tried vlc, it returned with the same errors as before
[06:49] <Hobbsee> dbmoodb: should do, yes.
[06:49] <RAOF> tgelter: Ok.  Eh.
[06:49] <arvind_> hey macgow... are you there? i have been asking questions, but no answer from your side!
[06:50]  * dbmoodb about to try vnc
[06:50] <dbmoodb> oooo pretty options
[06:51]  * SuperLag starts the torrent
[06:51] <tgelter> so the error is: ALSA lib pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[06:52] <tgelter> so i guess I'm just missing a package
[06:52] <dbmoodb> oh that is so mad, the hardy computer appears under arp to be hostname.local (not the ip)
[06:52] <RAOF> tgelter: Right.  This is useful.  Do you have the libasound2-plugins package installed?
[06:52] <tgelter> nope, installing now
[06:53] <tgelter> hmm...that fixed the problem, but still no sound
[06:53] <tgelter> (and no error output)
[06:53] <SuperLag> damn. that's MUCH better :)
[06:53] <arvind_> macgow,r u there?
[06:53] <dbmoodb> ah .... apparently the old vncviewer doesn't support ubuntu's new server (with encryption or something)
[06:54] <dbmoodb> if you turn that off it works
[06:54] <Hobbsee> arvind_: if macogw hasn't responded by now, probably not
[06:54] <arvind_> Hobbsee: where is the Policy kit?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> arvind_: what do you mean?
[06:55] <arvind_> Hobbsee: policy kit?
[06:55] <tgelter> RAOF: I tried an mp3 instead of a movie, and it works now...so maybe now I just need to install a codec to provide sound to divx/xvid?
[06:55] <telexicon> why is VNC even used when X11 is available?
[06:56] <RAOF> tgelter: VLC doesn't support codec plugins.  If it doesn't work now, it never will.
[06:56] <dbmoodb> because it is easier to set up and does not require root ?
[06:56] <tgelter> RAOF: awesome! =)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> arvind_: vague question
[06:56] <arvind_> tgellter:  is there Policy kit?
[06:56] <tgelter> arvind_: what do you mean?
[06:56] <telexicon> i mean, why didnt somebody implement a remote screen type deal on top of X11 instead of using all the inefficient bitmaps
[06:56] <Dr_willis> vnc is a tool designed for situations where X11 is not suitable.
[06:57] <arvind_> Hobbsee: any new hardy repos?
[06:57] <Dr_willis> use whaever you want. :) dont forget freenx also.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> arvind_: no.
[06:57] <macogw> arvind_: Policy Kit is the reason there are all those "Unlock" buttons in the System stuff
[06:57] <arvind_> tgellter:  Policy kit
[06:57] <tgelter> arvind_: what about it?
[06:57] <arvind_>  tgelter:Policy Kit is the reason there are all those "Unlock" buttons in the System stuff
[06:58] <Hobbsee> arvind_: if you try to behave like a bot, you will be treated as one.
[06:59] <dbmoodb> ah stupid question, how do i know if i am on the beta ? .... do i have to dist-upgrade or ... was it done with the last round of updates i applied yesterday ?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> dbmoodb: google that.  that is a stupid question.
[06:59] <Hobbsee> or check the forums
[06:59]  * dbmoodb i don't think it is up on the forums
[06:59] <Hobbsee> ....
[07:00]  * dbmoodb assumes that moving from alpha to beta on the same 'distro' is probably not requiring the services of dist-upgrade
[07:00] <Hobbsee> it tends to be
[07:01] <dbmoodb> well i expected the jump to be some what larger
[07:02] <macogw> dbmoodb: beta freeeze was last week
[07:02] <macogw> all updates for the beta went through a week ago
[07:02] <macogw> the few days in between were them rolling the iso
[07:02] <dbmoodb> oh ....
[07:02] <Flannel> dbmoodb: apt-get dist-upgrade isn't a "version" upgrade, it just pulls in new packages with the old depends.  Like new kernel packages, and stuff.
[07:03] <telexicon> dbmoodb, cat /etc/lsb-release
[07:03] <dbmoodb> it doesn't say alpha ....
[07:04] <dbmoodb> just says development branch - that is why i was asking the "stupid question"
[07:06] <RAOF> dbmoodb: The "stupid question" part is mainly because the beta doesn't exist.  It's just a societal construct with no underlying reality.
[07:06] <macogw> hahahah
[07:06] <macogw> dbmoodb: dist-upgrade no longer exists in aptitude
[07:07] <dbmoodb> what ? no dist-upgrade
[07:07] <macogw> dbmoodb: they now call it safe-upgrade or full-upgrade
[07:07] <dbmoodb> but ... apt still exists and will be working for some time in ubuntu yeah ?
[07:07] <macogw> yeah
[07:07] <macogw> but aptitude changed the name, probably because its confusing
[07:07] <dbmoodb> eh ...
[07:07] <macogw> since sometimes kernels will be held back until you do a full upgrade even though you arent changing versions
[07:08] <dbmoodb> i find aptitude confusing enough, apt is just nice
[07:08] <dbmoodb> i thought the rule used to be no kernel updates unless asked ;)
[07:08] <macogw> ever notice how after an apt-get upgrade if you look at the gui updater there will sometimes be more packages left?
[07:09] <dbmoodb> no
[07:09] <macogw> well you only get the kernel updates if you do dist-upgrade with apt-get. that's fairly confusing since you're not intending to upgrade your distro, just your kernel, so aptitude renamed it full-upgrade
[07:09] <macogw> its what happens if there's a kernel update
[07:09] <macogw> as you said, no kernel updates unless asked
[07:09] <dbmoodb> apt-get dist-upgrade was for kernels no ?
[07:09] <dbmoodb> (and distro updates)
[07:10] <macogw> see? it did two different thing
[07:10] <macogw> s
[07:10] <macogw> if you're intending up update your kernel, but the command says it's a distro upgrade....
[07:12] <dbmoodb> oh
[07:14] <macogw> that could get confusing...makes you wonder if itll really do just the kernel or if its all gonna change or what
[07:14] <dbmoodb> ooo gstreamer doesn't like mt-daap music shares
[07:26] <kRush> uh, is there an easy way to uninstall nvidias binary driver (not the one from the repos)?
[07:26] <RAOF> kRush: Yes.  Pass --uninstall to the installer.
[07:27] <tnnc> is there anyone else that is having trouble with java running
[07:28] <kRush> well, it says in the readme that --uninstall will only revert to the previous state... so if I had another version before that it's pretty much useless, isn't it?
[07:29] <kRush> guess I'll give it a shot
[07:30] <tnnc> is there anyone else that is having trouble with java running
[07:32] <ysth1> the echo left
[08:05] <matt____> Is there a known issue with the sound support in 8.04? Just installed a bit ago and cannot get sound to work from my emu10k1 based card, never had an issue with past releases.
[08:14] <nikolam> matt____, try to post a bug about that
[08:15] <nikolam> oh, he quit, ah well..
[08:30] <Raspberry> I love how the numberpad on my keyboard quit working since the last set of updates
[08:30] <Raspberry> :)
[08:31] <Raspberry> the number lock key lights up and turns off
[08:31] <Raspberry> but the keys don't work
[08:31] <Raspberry> :P
[08:31] <mesilliac> It's part of hardy's "charm"
[08:32] <Raspberry> it's nice to see it gets more charming the more I know it
[08:33] <macogw> Raspberry: i think that happened after someone complained that turning on numlock on his desktop keyboard turned his letter keys into the numpad like on a laptop
[08:34] <enyc> Hrrrm... I'm getting screen-corruption on Ubuntu Hardy-8.04-Beta livecd with Intel 815 integrated graphics w.r.t. Mousepointer acceleration...
[09:23] <dr_evil> Düsseldorf begrüsst zu Ostersonntag seine Gäste - mit einer Radarfalle am Autobahnende A52 / Ortseingang
[09:25] <gluer> compiz causing 100% cpu, any ideas, was working fine this morning
[09:30] <clusty> grrrr. any ways to run vmware under hardy?
[09:30] <clusty> no tricks works to get the modules compiled with the hardy kernel
[09:35] <Raspberry> clusty: hmmm?
[09:36] <Raspberry> clusty: I had problems with modules using a machine I dist-upgraded today
[09:36] <Raspberry> I used synaptec and installed all generic and 386 module packages for the .24 kernel and that fixed it w/o a reboot even :)
[09:37] <clusty> Raspberry, which packages are those?
[09:37] <Raspberry> clusty: it's not that hard... just look
[09:37] <vistakiller> adept is still very bad programme
[09:37] <vistakiller> is break my system before one minute and after it crash :P
[09:37] <Raspberry> vistakiller: agreed, I had to do the dist-upgrade with update-manager because adept kept crashing
[09:37] <vistakiller> i recovery my system from synaptic
[09:38] <Raspberry> vistakiller: even though I was running KDE
[09:38] <vistakiller> i run kde and i use synaptic
[09:38] <vistakiller> i dont know why they keep it
[09:39] <dbmood1> keep what ?
[09:39] <clusty> Raspberry, how are the module packages called?
[09:40] <dbmood1> adept ... isn't that what we are moving towards ?
[09:42] <vistakiller> dbmood1 they must put a warning for adept
[09:42] <vistakiller> is danger for the system
[09:43] <vistakiller> today it break one package
[09:43]  * DanaG uses aptitude for most stuff.
[09:43] <vistakiller> and the package was very important
[09:43] <vistakiller> if i was a new user
[09:43] <dbmood1> was it apt by any chance ?
[09:43] <vistakiller> no because i recover it from synaptic
[09:44] <vistakiller> and the joke that is crashing after the message that some package is break
[09:50] <_Zandro_> to early to ask questions? seems awfully quiet here :P
[09:52] <_Zandro_> Have anyone in here had problems with widesceen resolutions in Hardy?
[09:52] <Lorvija_> Heya.. i just upgraded to beta and noticed one slight prob... my mouse isnt working.. where could i find some kind of bug db so i could check if it's reported..?
[09:52] <maxxer> hi. why I cannot access anymore my gphoto2 camera?
[09:52] <maxxer> i can only by root
[09:53] <maxxer> but i cannot find the appropriate udev rule
[09:53] <Raspberry> wow all the codecs are screwed up now
[09:53] <maxxer> (i also have problems with nvidia and glx, but that's another story)
[09:53] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: what package, and how did it die?
[09:53] <Raspberry> this beta was more like an alpha
[09:54] <_Zandro_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/+login
[09:54] <vistakiller> i dont remember the name was from today update
[09:54] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: and how many unofficial packages were you using in gutsy?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: try to be more helpful.
[09:54] <vistakiller> nothing :P
[09:54] <vistakiller> sorry i dont rember but it has depence with nvidia driver nv
[09:55] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: hey dingbat ... I'm on Hardy and I've been running Hardy since Alpha2 w/o issue  -- so take your newb attitude somewhere lese
[09:55] <Raspberry> else
[09:55] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: that might be why then.
[09:55] <Raspberry> I'm not running any unofficial packages in Hardy
[09:55] <Raspberry> and everything was working fine for the last 4 weeks
[09:55] <Lorvija_> _Zandro_:  duh i need to login? :/
[09:55] <vistakiller> me too but i have my system upgrade from feisty
[09:56] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: hmm
[09:56] <Raspberry> and they give people ops with your attitude
[09:56] <vistakiller> Come on Raspberry is open source
[09:57] <Hobbsee> funny, insulting people usually *isnt* a good idea.
[09:57] <DarkMageZ> Raspberry, you noticed that the gstreamer packages got updated recently right? that might be a good place to start tracing your problem down.
[09:57] <DanaG> Oh hey, something interesting about that Load Cycle issue: it also happens under OS X (call it a "hackintosh" if you wish).
[09:57] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: i'd be interested in knowing what that was, if you could reproduce it.  it may be important.
[09:57] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: i thought you made the insulting comment first
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: i asked a question.  if you call that insulting, i can't help you.
[09:57] <vistakiller> how can i see the last update was one lib
[09:58] <dns53> i did have some problems now you mention it, i uninstalled the bad and ugly and reinstalled them to fix it
[09:58] <Raspberry> DarkMageZ: I guess I'll run the 51 updates that have been added in the last 12 hrs :P
[09:58] <_Zandro_> no one with widescreens in here?
[09:58] <vistakiller> me
[09:58] <psylem> my upgrade failed due to a bug, how can I be sure that the upgrade has been rolled back before I attempt to reboot?
[09:58] <DarkMageZ> Raspberry, you don't know how often that unofficial crap breaks systems. it's a highly valid question ッ
[09:59] <DarkMageZ> psylem, was it the one with the language pack? just rerun the update. it'll be fine.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> vistakiller: see /var/log/dpkg.log
[09:59] <vistakiller> ok
[09:59] <Hobbsee> psylem: which bug?
[09:59] <psylem> no it was bug #205079
[09:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205079 in glibc "kubuntu Hardy Heron could not install libc6" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205079
[09:59] <Raspberry> DarkMageZ: well the whole point of alpha and beta testing is testing within the limitations of the system -- so adding outside packages would defeat the purpose
[09:59] <_Zandro_> 1440x900 doesnt work as it should with the default vesa driver
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: you'd be surprised at how many people do it anyway :(
[10:00] <Raspberry> I know -- but lets' not assume everybody is an idiot first -- I've been in here (until I was kickeD) for about 24hrs solid helping people fix these annoying kernel module issues and wireless issues
[10:00] <Raspberry> ... which makes me a bit testy :P
[10:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:01] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: what's the greatest problem with wifi that you've been seeing?
[10:01] <_Zandro_> this is how it looks after 1st boot http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/_Zandro_/DSCF0163.jpg the resolution is correct and all, but if i switch to 1024x768 and back again it looks like this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/_Zandro_/DSCF0164.jpg
[10:01] <Hobbsee> psylem: you might want to answer michael, if you can.
[10:01] <_Zandro_> i have to do that every time i boot
[10:02] <Raspberry> either kernel modules aren't loading after a dist-upgrade (but worked fine with live Cd testing, which is why people upgraded) or  broadcom and realtek users needing ndiswrapper
[10:02] <dns53> madwifi does not work with the current kernel version for me on my eeepc but i am not concerned at the moment
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: aren't loading due to no lrm/lum, or?
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: ndiswrapper.  bah humbug :)
[10:02] <DarkMageZ> hmm... realtek users shouldn't need ndiswrapper... they're generally good with their opensource drivers.
[10:02] <Raspberry> the dist-upgrade isn't installing the ubuntu-module packages for the kernel
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: damn, so that is hitting again.
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: l-u-m or l-r-rm?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> -r
[10:03] <Raspberry> I upgraded my pristine Gutsy box just to test people's problems and my ipw2200 wouldn't work after the dist-upgrade
[10:03] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: I have no idea
[10:03] <dbmoodb> Raspberry: welcome to the club, i learnt the hard way you have to be nice and good when saying anything on any ubuntu channel. you are often representing more than your self -- or can impact on others at least
[10:03] <Belisarivs> Hi. Where can I report bugs in Hardy?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> !bug | Belisarivs
[10:03] <ubotu> Belisarivs: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[10:04] <DarkMageZ> i'd be surprised if l-r-m didn't fall out of sync atleast once during the alpha/beta stages =D
[10:04] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: that's a two way street -- especially when I get attitude from the people asking me the questions
[10:04] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: it does, but i dont think this is the problem
[10:04] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: I fixed my box right after the dist-upgrade by installing the remaining generic and 386 kernel module packages... nothing else
[10:04] <Belisarivs> Thanks, I'm already registered at launchpad. But I failed to find how to report bugs for Hardy so it isn't confused with gutsy.
[10:05] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: then I could modprobe the ipw2200 package and iwconfig then showed my eth0 was linked to the wireless card
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: i'm wondering why you don't seem to get linux-generic installed.
[10:05] <dbmoodb> put a tag hardy [hardy] ... is probably a good way in the summary
[10:05] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: part of it was and part of it wasn't
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Belisarivs: they don't get separated into distros
[10:05] <vistakiller> i cant find it sorry :(
[10:05] <vistakiller> i dont remember what package was
OK. Thanks.
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: afaik, the upgrader *should* be adding that package while checking for u-d
[10:06] <vistakiller> but i recovery it when i reinstall it from synaptic
[10:08] <Raspberry> Hobbsee: well I don't think it is ... at least not correctly... quite a few (at least 5 or 6 that I remember talking with) people were in here with broken wireless
[10:08] <Raspberry> I'm sure there were more as I was on and off the computer and trying to work :P
[10:08] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: mmmkay, i'll try to get in touch wiht mvo about it
[10:08] <Hobbsee> (when it's not a public holiday)
[10:09] <Raspberry> well this is the bug I attached my comment to... althought I think it's a bigger issue... Bug #180544
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180544 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "ipw2200 driver fails to load firmware" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180544
[10:09] <Raspberry> that reminds me ... the sound card (intel ac'97) wasn't working either
[10:09] <Raspberry> but just installing the module packages fixed that too
[10:10] <Raspberry> lots of UNCLAIMED devices after the dist-upgrade when running lshw
[10:10] <dbmoodb> that's weird my intel ac-97 is working...
[10:10] <Raspberry> mine works now too
[10:11] <dbmoodb> what did you change ?
[10:11] <psy> my connection seems unreliable at the moment, was there a solution for me?
[10:11] <Raspberry> I just had to install the linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 package after the dist upgrade
[10:11] <Raspberry> from gutsy to hardy
[10:11] <dbmoodb> oh.... i did that but without realising i had sound problems most likely (one of the first things i did)
[10:11] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: fresh installs of Hardy work fine
[10:12] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: reminding people to install that package should be immediately added to the dist-upgrade web page at least until the problem gets fixed because havign people run that fixed a LOT of issues today
[10:14] <Raspberry> I have 13 broken packages on my system now :P
[10:14] <Raspberry> the new package manager has an attitude
[10:14] <Raspberry> I get a black circle with a dash through it
[10:14] <dbmoodb> well Raspberry i would rather (personally) a note is added but for people to see what happens without it
[10:14] <_Zandro_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+bugs found the bug list for hardy heron
[10:14] <Hobbsee> ...so, fix them, and file bugs about the ones that really are broken?  That's not going to help your system...
[10:14] <Hobbsee> _Zandro_: there are more than that
[10:15] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: they're not getting wireless or sound and they're posting lots of forum questions and coming in here... that's what is happening without it
[10:15] <_Zandro_> more than what 115 bugs?
[10:16] <dbmoodb> dude you don't just add stuff to make the problem vanish you see what the problem is and try to fix it
[10:16] <dbmoodb> -- that is what i think personally
[10:16] <Hobbsee> _Zandro_: yes.  most bugs arent' listed as hardy.
[10:16] <Raspberry> just send more civilians in until we can pinpoint the snipers' location :)
[10:16] <DanaG> anybody else read 'libgomp' as 'libglomp
[10:17] <DanaG> ' like I did?
[10:17] <dbmoodb> these are not civilians, if you come to beta you are no longer a civilian in my view
[10:17] <DanaG> (sorry, I aimed for apostrophe and hit enter instead.)
[10:17] <locomo> omg keyboard layout switching still not work OMFG
[10:17] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: you must know this many commands to install beta :P  we should have a quiz during the installer
[10:18] <_Zandro_> well i know that there are problems from previous releases, and problems that arent tagged to hardy
[10:18] <dbmoodb> well it involves a few to start with so why not ?
[10:18] <dbmoodb> rofl
[10:18] <Raspberry> dbmoodb: like the guy earlier -- he said his stuff was broken and I told him to install the kernel module package for his kernel ... and he said what's that ... and I explained and he asked how and I said synaptec and he said what's that?
[10:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how do you activate language packs?
[10:19] <vistakiller> Raspberry try to reinstall the break packages
[10:20] <Raspberry> ?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: that's the reason i tend to avoid here after the 4th alpha or os.
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Raspberry: just to avoid the silly questions
[10:20] <Hobbsee> like dbmoodb's from earlier.
[10:20] <Raspberry> it was fine until beta was released
[10:20] <vistakiller> you said that you have break package
[10:20] <Raspberry> then that was like somebody fired the starting gun
[10:20] <Raspberry> or something
[10:21] <dbmoodb> oi my question wasn't stupid without remark
[10:21] <Hobbsee> yeah.  i'm still surprised about how many are still downloading.
[10:21] <Raspberry> vistakiller: the language-en -- I forced it
[10:21] <Raspberry> prior to beta it was a pretty good conversation level in here... we could troubleshoot things ... now it's just people screaming stuff is broken and how they needed it fixed yesterday
[10:22] <dbmoodb> --- lets all move to ubuntu+2 then ?
[10:22] <vistakiller> i dont have something break
[10:22] <_Zandro_> well i dont need things fixed, i just need to know if anyone expirienced the same problems that i have had :P
[10:22] <Raspberry> right
[10:22] <Raspberry> which is why I'm in here most of the time
[10:23] <Raspberry> anybody seen <this behavior>?   you have ... ok ... or no?  ok, I'll search and or register a bug
[10:24] <_Zandro_> well or a an alternative way to get around it ;)
[10:24] <Raspberry> I do have to say ... other than these crazy breaks the last week -- I think Hardy is by far more stable and usable than Gutsy
[10:24] <_Zandro_> yeah ive only had 3 problems so far
[10:25] <DanaG> How do you activate language packs?
[10:25] <vistakiller> i have only some small problems with hardy
[10:25] <Raspberry> DanaG: I wish I knew
[10:25] <DanaG> Oh hey, another random note: Firefox 3.0 now only looks good in Linux.
[10:25] <vistakiller> what package you want DanaG?
[10:25] <Raspberry> DanaG: Administration -> Language Packs
[10:26] <Raspberry> ?
[10:26] <DanaG> The Windows and OS X versions have been beaten with the "ugly stick"
[10:26] <DanaG> They're quite ugly.
[10:26] <Raspberry> DanaG: I mean ... System Menu -> Administration -> Language Support
[10:26] <vistakiller> some programmes like adept is not working but that programmes never work :P
[10:26] <DanaG> I installed Japanese (even though I don't actually know the language) for the sake of curiosity.
[10:27] <DanaG> But, I don't know how to switch my user's language settings.
[10:27] <vistakiller>  System Menu -> Administration -> Language Support
[10:27] <DanaG> That's not per-user.
[10:27] <Raspberry> DanaG: install SCIM packages
[10:27] <DanaG> That's only input method.
[10:27] <dns53> in gdm you select the language
[10:27] <DanaG> Right?\
[10:28] <DanaG> Oh, in GDM... I never knew that.  Cool!
[10:28] <DanaG> That admin panel really should note that:
[10:28] <bazhang> for alternate languages I click inside the box I want to type and select input method that does it for most apps
[10:28] <_Zandro_> Problems so far: 1.
[10:28] <bazhang> Chinese, Japanese for example
[10:28] <DanaG> It seriously needs that sort of note.
[10:29] <bazhang> 葉御
[10:29]  * DanaG goes off to try Japanese UI, just for the heck of it.
[10:29] <bazhang> like that
[10:29] <dns53> might be useful
[10:30] <bazhang> tis if you write Japanese and Chinese ;]
[10:31] <_Zandro_> in languages that have several variants just ticking off the main variant doesnt cover all the translations
[10:31] <gaminggeek> hmm flash 9 in epiphany 'causes crashes
[10:31] <Raspberry> ok now I've got a weird problem
[10:32] <_Zandro_> i norwegian you have to tick off both "norwegian" and" norwegian bokmaal" to get all the translations
[10:32] <Raspberry> if I play a video in VLC or Gstreamer ... the audio works, but the video doesn't
[10:32] <_Zandro_> any type of video?
[10:32] <Raspberry> BUT... if I keep playing the video in Totem and then open it in VLC while it's still playing in Totem -- it plays fine in VLC ... and Visa Versa
[10:32] <Raspberry> mpeg video
[10:32] <dns53> you using compiz ?
[10:32] <Raspberry> no
[10:32] <DanaG> Yay, Japanese UI.
[10:33] <DanaG> That's amusing, since I don't KNOW japanese... but that'd be a good way to force myself to use it, once I started learning it for a class.
[10:34] <DanaG> OOOoh, and it's also a good way to discover un-localized things.
[10:34] <DanaG> Examples: pulseaudio apps, SimpleBackup, and some other things.
[10:34] <DanaG> (03時34分26秒) verb3k<EMAIL_ADDRESS>が部屋に入りました。
[10:34] <DanaG> What format is that time in?
[10:35] <verb3k> Is that a Chinese font?
[10:35] <DanaG> Japanese.
[10:36] <DanaG> I don't actually know the language; I'm just having fun with the language pack.
[10:36] <verb3k> artwork :)
[10:36] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: im going to install VLC and try myself
[10:37] <DanaG> Oh hey, the Wiki doesn't have the source for the latest revised wallpaper.
[10:37] <Raspberry> actually seems like the problem is with Windows Media Video
[10:37] <user5> hello wath's up
[10:37] <verb3k> guys Hardy gives me 800x600 while my machine is capable of more than that>>>can anyone help?
[10:37] <user5> today
[10:38] <Raspberry> verb3k: did you upgrade from another version of Ubuntu?
[10:38] <verb3k> Raspberry, no, clean beta install
[10:38] <bazhang> verb3k: what video card
[10:38] <Raspberry> hmmm strange... video card?
[10:39] <verb3k> Raspberry, I have Nvidia graphics card
[10:39] <user5> tray to clean /.kde
[10:39] <Raspberry> ah
[10:39] <bazhang> verb3k: what drivers how isntalled
[10:39] <Raspberry> verb3k: have you installed the restricted driver?
[10:39]  * DanaG is now going to bed.... at 3:39AM.
[10:39] <verb3k> bazhang, The official drivers from "Hardware Drivers" menu
[10:39] <Raspberry> 5:39am here
[10:39] <DanaG> I've been messing around in OS X on my laptop, but I still prefer Ubuntu by far.
[10:39] <KrimZon> will installing the rt kernel improve sound latency without making any other changes?
[10:40] <bazhang> verb3k: did you reconfigure your xerver-xorg?
[10:40] <DanaG> And it's also presented something interesting: even OS X has the "repeatedly load-cycles hard drive" issue!
[10:40] <kebinusan> I dislike totem, it always hangs when opening some of my mkv files
[10:40] <verb3k> bazhang, no, is that the solution?
[10:40] <user5> restart in recovery mode and tray option restartX
[10:40] <bazhang> verb3k: worth a shot; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:41] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: VLC just crashes on me if i try to play anything
[10:41] <verb3k> bazhang, ok, give me a minute to do that
[10:41] <kebinusan> Zandro, I compiled one of the nightly builds yesterday when I found out they had pulseaudio support
[10:41] <DanaG> Odd: look at the tooltip in Japanese for gparted in menu: the tooltip is untranslated.
[10:41] <bazhang> verb3k: then restart to make the changes
[10:41] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: yeah something is going on
[10:41] <verb3k> bazhang, ok
[10:41] <bazhang> verb3k: after making them that is
[10:41] <Raspberry> anyobdy want to recommend a codec package to use with amd64 to play wmv?
[10:42] <verb3k> bazhang, ok :)
[10:42] <bazhang> medibuntu win32codecs dont work Raspberry?
[10:42] <_Zandro_> No wait, WMV files work for me
[10:42] <Raspberry> that's so odd...
[10:42] <kebinusan> xine doesnt seem to play well with PA for me  yet
[10:42] <verb3k> bazhang, should I answer the questions by choosing default answers?
[10:42] <bazhang> verb3k: mostly yes let me find a link
[10:42] <Raspberry> it won't play the video with the first player... no matter what it is .. but if a second player starts playing wmv while another player is playing wmv ... it plays fine
[10:42] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[10:42] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[10:42] <DanaG> handy site.
[10:43] <Raspberry> medibuntu kinda throws off my testing :)
[10:43] <dns53> i like the commercial fluendo codecs for wmv
[10:43] <bazhang> verb3k: that should do, cant find the link atm; will be back in about a half hour if you need more help
[10:43] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: yes i have managed to simulate the same problem you have
[10:43] <verb3k> bazhang, ok, thanks for your time :)
[10:43] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: isn't that odd
[10:44] <_Zandro_> yes very
[10:44] <bazhang> no worries verb3k ;]
[10:44] <_Zandro_> i have to start up tomtem and play the same file before i start VLC and try it there
[10:45] <kebinusan> you dont get video in vlc unless you start totem first?
[10:45] <_Zandro_> yep
[10:45] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: what package should we register this bug against?  gstreamer?  it's strange
[10:46] <kebinusan> you could try kaffeine or some other player that lets you switch between gstreamer and xine
[10:46] <Raspberry> ok
[10:47] <Raspberry> to narrow it down some more
[10:47] <Raspberry> Windows MEdia Video version 9 seems to work fine in either player
[10:47] <_Zandro_> sounds like an idea
[10:47] <_Zandro_> yeah same here
[10:47] <Raspberry> Version 7 has issues though
[10:48] <Raspberry> divx works fine... mpeg works fine...
[10:48] <Raspberry> Windows MEdia Version 8 works fine
[10:48] <verb3k> bazhang, it worked!
[10:48] <verb3k> bazhang, thanks a lot :)
[10:49] <Raspberry> it's crazy to see the saturation / brightness difference playing the same wmv in Totem and VLC
[10:49] <Raspberry> you'd think the WMV files would contain that kind of metadata
[10:49] <kebinusan> Raspberry: nvidia?
[10:49] <kebinusan> err do you have an nvidia card?
[10:50] <Raspberry> no
[10:50] <Raspberry> intel X3100
[10:50] <Raspberry> I have another machine still running gutsy (one of the 4 ubuntu machines in the office) with an Nvidia card
[10:51] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: do you get sound in VLC wmv that you start after Totem?
[10:51] <kebinusan> ah, there is a setting for xvideo in nvidia-settings.  I had screwed that up somehow made my videos play super dark most of the time
[10:51] <Raspberry> Totem the sound works but the video is screwed up
[10:51] <Raspberry> and VLC I get the video w/o sound
[10:52] <verb3k> Raspberry, try mplayer
[10:52] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: nvrmind ... while the video was playing, I went into Settings, Preferences, Audio, Output Modules, ALSA then clicked SAVE and the sound started
[10:52] <kebinusan> vlc doesnt support pulseaudio so you may need to change some settings to get audio to work
[10:53] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: no i didnt get sound in VLC
[10:53] <_Zandro_> just video
[10:53] <Raspberry> mplayer just crashes about 8 diff ways :P either -vo or -ao issues
[10:53] <Raspberry> _Zandro_: try that "save" of preferences and see if the sound starts back up w/o having to restrt the vid
[10:54] <Raspberry> something else interesting ... as long as I keep swapping videos without letting one stop it keeps playing them fine
[10:54] <Raspberry> in VLC
[10:55] <Raspberry> audio and video
[10:56] <kebinusan> try starting vlc from a command line as 'padsp vlc' and setting the sound output to oss
[10:56] <kebinusan> *shrugs*
[10:57] <[mbm]> its worth noting that vlc uses its own builtin codecs
[10:57] <_Zandro_> Raspberry: no VLC is still palys without sound wjen i try that
[10:57] <_Zandro_> *when
[10:58] <kebinusan> I couldnt get the included version of vlc or any video player to work reliably for me in hardy tbh
[10:59] <[mbm]> and that the color is often applied late in the decoding process, causing some codecs to incorrectly aplly more and more color, increasing the saturation as the file plays
[10:59] <[mbm]> (atleast until a key frame occurs)
[11:01] <Raspberry> i can even open 1 vlc that garbles the video and then open a second windowe that works fine
[11:02] <[mbm]> ah, hardware video acceleration
[11:02] <_Zandro_> isnt intel supposed to have good support in linux?
[11:02] <_Zandro_> stable drivers and all
[11:02] <dns53> it has open souce drivers that can do opengl
[11:03] <Raspberry> the drivers are open... they'trrejust buggy :)
[11:03] <[mbm]> open the vlc prefs, click the advanced checkbox in the bottom corner then go see was the video output is set to
[11:04] <Raspberry> [mbm]: default
[11:04] <[mbm]> video acceleration is somewhat quirky under intel, particularly if you use compiz
[11:04] <dns53> you can have problems playing video and using comiz
[11:05] <Raspberry> compiz is off
[11:05] <[mbm]> Raspberry: play around with the outer values; they will take effect the next time a video is played
[11:05] <[mbm]> er, other values
[11:05] <[mbm]> x
[11:06] <oxigen> oOo, need to download new gcc, any known problems with it? :P
[11:06] <_Zandro_> i catually run VESA for the moment, so no hw acceleration. Thats why i didnt expirience the garbled video
[11:06] <[mbm]> xvideo or gl give the best performance but are the most likely to fail
[11:06] <[mbm]> vesa? ouch
[11:07] <_Zandro_> hehe i know
[11:07] <_Zandro_> but it works
[11:07] <[mbm]> also - hardy has switched the x accel from xaa to exa, breaking some platforms
[11:07] <_Zandro_> having a dual core processor works, AMD Athlon X2 6400+ FTW
[11:08] <_Zandro_> but load is somewhat high :P
[11:08] <[mbm]> if you read the 'man intel' theres a setting for using xaa on intel
[11:11] <[mbm]> typical exa corruption with intel cards moves the scanlines so a picture is in horzontal strips scattered across the screen
[11:13] <[mbm]> </random trivia> :)
[11:16] <_Zandro_> hmm tried to install my ATI card in hardy heron but everything seems to fail
[11:16] <_Zandro_> either white screen or a black one after login
[11:16] <_Zandro_> tried disabeling compiz too, as it seems to be enabled automaticly in hardy heron
[11:17]  * Dr_willis is glad the ATI promises of better linux support is comming along.....
[11:17] <Dr_willis>  /sarcasm off
[11:17] <[mbm]> _Zandro_: check the xorg logs
[11:21] <_Zandro_> by the way i tried envyNG too
[11:21] <Dr_willis> that may of put things in a state that may be hard to recover from.
[11:21] <Dr_willis> A lot will depend on the exact video card also.
[11:22] <_Zandro_> i got a Ati radeon hd2900
[11:22] <_Zandro_> but when envy failed i just uninstalled it from the command line and everything was fine again
[11:25] <evildead> hello all
[11:25] <evildead> since i have upgraded to hardy, my touchpad and usb mouse freez regularly
[11:25] <evildead> Mar 23 11:57:57 evildead-laptop kernel: [  103.114801] psmouse.c: GlidePoint at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes away.
[11:25] <evildead> Mar 23 11:58:01 evildead-laptop kernel: [  106.724712] psmouse.c: resync failed, issuing reconnect request
[11:26]  * [mbm] hasn't used an ati card recently - stopped buying them when I noticed hardware acceleration didn't work with highres video and resulted in pink areas
[11:27] <[mbm]> (kind of a problem for someone who works with hdtv streams on a daily basis)
[11:28] <_Zandro_> why cant they just update the ati driver version in the restricted manager?
[11:28] <[mbm]> I'm really curious if they've fixed the glitch in newer hardware or drivers
[11:29] <Dr_willis> _Zandro_,  you could always try installing the ati drivers from ati manually.
[11:29] <zniavre> !launchpad
[11:29] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[11:29] <finalbeta> I'm about to upgrade, any major breakage I should know about?
[11:29] <_Zandro_> hehe i tried that "1000" page long ati installer instrucion at ubuntu forums, a waste of time
[11:31] <_Zandro_> i found out that just downloading the ati drivers and running it in the console does the same thing
[11:31] <Dr_willis> _Zandro_,  its proberly out of date also with 10000+ useless comments like 'works for me' and 'it dident work'
[11:31] <finalbeta> hardly useless :P
[11:32] <_Zandro_> Dr_willis: spot on
[11:33] <dns53> what is the upgrade path from 6.10 to 8.4?
[11:33] <Dr_willis> wow.. My fileserver has 19 days of uptime. :)
[11:33]  * Dr_willis wonders why it says 6 users.
[11:34] <Dr_willis>  07:33:21 up 19 days, 12:13,  6 users,  load average: 0.32, 0.31, 0.38
[11:34] <_Zandro_> hardly something to pop the champagne for :P
[11:34] <Dr_willis> for this machine it is.
[11:34] <_Zandro_> is it a intel 088 or something? ^^
[11:34] <Dr_willis> its just getting old.
[11:35] <Dr_willis> i still wonder where that # of users come from
[11:36] <[mbm]> dns53: officially? go through every LTS or reinstall. upgrading directly isn't recommended
[11:36] <Dr_willis> it seems to be me on pts/0 through pts/6 and tty7
[11:37] <_Zandro_> well im now going to try to install the ati drivers *again* ( not that i think that it will fare better then last time)
[11:47] <HetaUma> any1 else got errors with gcc-base dependencies after latest upgrade?
[11:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Is cdimage.ubuntu.com dead?
[11:51] <HetaUma> it works here
[11:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Even the daily directories? When I click to them the browser just sits and waits
[11:52] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh, it just came back
[11:53] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: it's working very hard, i ssupect
[11:53] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah, I avoided it when beta was announced for just that reason :)
[11:57] <kebinusan> HetaUma: yeah, I just unchecked the lang pack, installed everything else first and it seemed to work the second time
[11:59] <KalEl> hi, my monitor doesn't sleep anymore since i installed hardy. is this because of the pre-release version of xorg?
[12:03] <telexicon> have they fixed the input auto-configuration issues with hardy?
[12:11] <bazhang> verb3k you get the better resolution you wanted?
[12:15] <stefg> Hi, i've got a small glitch with thumbnails in nautilus not showing for .avi-files. The funny thing is that if i change the extension .avi to something different (like foo.video) suddenly the thumbnail appears, and stays even if i rename the file back to foo.avi. i noticed that the mime-type changes in nautilus' properties dialog. Anyone able to point me to some reading about mime-type...
[12:15] <stefg> ...handling and the nuatilus thumbnailer ?
[12:16] <hetauma> emerald in hardy doesn't download automaticly a collection of themes?
[12:17] <howefield> didn't for me either
[12:18] <gregory> stefg: i just found a switch for that: gconf-editor: -> desktop -> gnome thumbnailers video@x-avi something for the beginning
[12:18] <howefield> had to install `em from a .deb file
[12:18] <stefg> gregory: thy, let me try that ...t
[12:20] <hetauma> howefield: from ubuntu repos or u downloaded it ?
[12:20] <DarphBobo> dun think it's hardy related.. it didn;t install themes in gutsy for me either
[12:21] <howefield> got the link from ubuntu website
[12:21] <hetauma> DarphBobo: but in gutsy it had another tab with repos where you could automaticly download a quite good collection of themes
[12:22] <howefield> http://mirror.x10.com/mirror/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/emerald-themes/
[12:24] <m1r> hello
[12:24] <hetauma> howefield: ty
[12:25] <howefield> another page with more is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/emerald/
[12:26] <stefg> gregory: i already toggled that switch, and emptied the .thumbnail dir... doesn't help. what i observe is that nautilus doesn't even try to thumbnail the .avi's, possibly because of a mime-type misconfiguration. it says application/x-extension-avi for files with the .avi-extender, but video/x-msvideo for files that contain .avi, but aren't called so. So my guess is that it's a typo in some...
[12:26] <stefg> ...conf-file that i need to track down
[12:27] <m1r> i have little problem with wireless adapter, on 7.10 it was working out of the box and on 8.04 it seems that it wroking but after 5 seconds after it conects to network, it drops. apapter is siemens gigaset usb 54 : Bus 001 Device 002: ID 083a:4521 Accton Technology Corp. now, is it posible to put old drivers in from 7.10 or someway to make this thing work again... ?
[12:27] <gregory> stefg: hmm, you already checked launchpad?
[12:27] <hetauma> howefield: ok I installed the themes I can browse them through emerald but can't "activate" them
[12:27] <howefield> try typing in terminal  emerald --replace
[12:28] <stefg> gregory: yup... google had some posts with similar problems in hardy, but the not a real solution ... people just reinstalled and the prob went away for them. I don't want to reinstall :-)
[12:28] <hetauma> oh ty
[12:29] <gregory> stefg: when you first viewed the switch, was it enabled?
[12:30] <jessica> hi i have got my wireless working but only on unsercure networks when the networks are sercure it dose not connect is there any reason why this could be happerning i have a Realtek RTL8187B and im using the windows 98 driver in ndiswrapper
[12:30] <stefg> Yes, thumbnailing was enabled. I switched off, deleted .thumbnails, logged out, logged in, switched back on, logged out, logged in again. So waht i would need is a read about mime-type handling in hardy
[12:31] <stefg> the actual thumbnailer works, it seems nautilus doesn't take an .avi as a 'thumbnailable' file .
[12:38] <jessica> hi i have got my wireless working but only on unsercure networks when the networks are sercure it dose not connect is there any reason why this could be happerning i have a Realtek RTL8187B and im using the windows 98 driver in ndiswrapper
[12:41] <m1r> i got this reply on usb wlan drop : message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get. ---> 1: host_name ; 2: nis_domain ; 3: interface_mtu . and after this i get message wlan0: link is not ready
[12:42] <Ibback> Hi there. I recently upgraded to hardy from gutsy and i encountered a couple of problem, firstly compiz is not working and system->application->software sources is not running ( meaning it will not appeared on screen ) and the update manager is not working properly in that when i run it it say that only partial upgrade is allowed and when i click on it, it then return the error "Cannot not upgrade' can not upgrade from hardy to gutsy using this tool"....can s
[12:45] <Ibback> Helllooooooooo.....can some kind sould pls help.....thank in advance....
[12:47] <howefield> Ibback: can't help much other than suggest a clean install, I am assuming you didn't upgrade in this way ?
[12:51] <jin> how to NOT use pulseaudio?
[12:52] <jessica> i need help wiht my wireless
[12:52] <jessica> i carnt connect to networks with encription
[12:52] <jessica> they have to be open
[12:52] <cwillu> jin, why would you want to do that?
[12:54] <KalEl> my computer's monitor won't sleep... how can i troubleshoot this problem? is there any way to force gpm to make it sleep for troubleshooting?
[12:54] <jin> cwillu: because whenever I do something that's a litle bit cpu intensive, I get weird sound ... "rr"
[12:54] <KalEl> yeah... i get it all the time when i play a 3d game after i installed the graphics card!
[12:55] <jin> KalEl: sound problem?
[12:55] <KalEl> yeah the "rr" sound... not sure where it comes from though
[12:55] <KalEl> definitely from somewhere within the cabinet
[12:56] <jin> I think it's pulseaudio fault...  on Feisty sound works perfect
[12:57] <KalEl> oh for me it was there with gutsy also - only when i started celestia or neverball and the likes
[12:58] <Loevborg> Anyone familiar with the Hibernate/Suspend system in hardy?
[12:59] <KalEl> for some reason, i don't see a Suspend in hardy - only Hibernate
[12:59] <Loevborg> I found out, after much mindless debugging, that /etc/acpi/sleep.sh isn't used any more, when using the "sleep button".
[12:59] <cwillu> jin, turning off sound mixing from the system menu should do it
[13:00] <stefg> gregory: Foe your interest: i found the problem. :-) For some reason there was a ~/.local/share/mime/application/x-extension file which kept nautilus from properly handiing -avi as video. No ideo how it got there, but i simply deleted it, and now it works :-)
[13:01] <gregory> stefg: great, if you dont mind submit an issue in launchpad
[13:01] <cwillu> jin, I'd personally be more inclined to blame alsa; usually pulseaudio glitches sound more like dropped audio, or clips playing half a second late
[13:09] <Ibback> howefield. can you tell me where i can download hardy iso please?
[13:10] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta Ibback
[13:11] <Ibback> bazhang. How come in wiki and not in ubuntu home itself...for yr info, i was there trying to download but the link is dead
[13:11] <bazhang> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/ or here Ibback
[13:12] <locomo> where is tracking for nv driver? do you think 8800 GTS support will be in 8.04 release? 8800 GT added a while back
[13:13] <locomo> you=anybody
[13:13] <howefield> Ibback: ubuntu homepage links seem fine
[13:13] <jin> cwillu: now I don't even get sound, parts drop out
[13:14] <jin> I am encoding a video tho. but even so, it should not drop parts of the output
[13:16] <chowder> how do I send error messages?
[13:16] <jindal2> hi guys, a problem .. earlier i remove cupsys from autostart using update-rc.d -f remove ..... cupsys was just upgraded and it was autmatically relinked rc*.d
[13:16] <chowder> cause i know that hardy is still in development and I'm running the beta right now
[13:16] <jindal2> is this a bug?
[13:17] <chowder> I'd just like to contribute, I want to kno if there's a way to send a bug report to canonical
[13:17] <rinaldi_> hi when I try to update an app or create an alias for ndiswrapper by using ndiswrapper -m i get "update modules command is depreciated ubuntu" and I shouldn't use it. is this normal?
[13:17] <Ibback> Howefield. I am using acer laptop running AMD Turion 64 MObile technology so do i download PC ( Intel x86 ) or 64bit PC (AMD64)?
[13:17] <jindal2> chowder, ubuntu bugzilla
 where do I get that?
[13:17] <keltren> hya - can anyone tell me how i can pass the module param "pb_fnmode=2" to the hid module on bootup?
[13:17] <jindal2> on web
[13:18] <chowder> problem is that somtimes apps crash with no error report whatsoever
[13:18] <locomo> !bug
[13:18] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[13:19] <howefield> Ibback: I'd say either would do your system, your choice, I steer clear of the 64 bit to be honest, but ymmv
[13:19] <coz_> any issues with current updates  before i mess things up :)
[13:20] <howefield> Ibback: only from the point of view that it can be difficult getting third party stuff to work
[13:20] <Ibback> Hi there chowder. I am planning on installing hardy...how do u find it friend?
[13:21] <KalEl> 1) Xorg taking up a lot of CPU cycles 2) monitor doesn't go to suspend 3) closing tomboy issues false warning of a crash
[13:21] <KalEl> other than that it's fine
[13:21] <Ibback> howefied. Thank you ...
[13:22] <gluer> when i use firefox and try and open hotmail, sometimes my screen goes blank and i have to power off, any idea??
[13:22] <howefield> use gmail instead :P
[13:23] <J-_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60723/ I just updated to 143 new updates, I just got this update error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60723/ what does it mean?
[13:23] <gluer> lol i use both
[13:23] <J-_> Hopefully no conflict
[13:24] <gluer> another problem which i noticed today since some updates is that my cpu is maxed out at 100% when running compiz
[13:24] <J-_> 5 packages broken
[13:24] <m1r> anyone having problem with upgrading F-spot ?
[13:24] <J-_> we shall see after these install
[13:29] <jin> seems I can't play my music while encoding videos :(
[13:30] <locomo> what is purpoise of gnome system monitor to show cpu load if it show not real cpu load, but cpu load which is derived from gnome system monitor showing cpu load? lol. you know, like 25%
[13:30] <_kavOOr_> ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/hardy%20beta%20error.png please have a look. this happened in hardy beta
[13:31] <bjwebb> i have something very weird
[13:31] <locomo> keep it secret
[13:31] <bjwebb> the arrow keys keep on getting 'stuck'
[13:32] <locomo> keypress stuckage reported since alpha 4 at least
[13:32] <Ibback> May i have the terminal command to edit the software sources please?
[13:32] <bjwebb> hmm, its just started though
[13:32] <bjwebb> locomo: is there any fix/
[13:32] <locomo> lbback: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:32] <bjwebb> or is it just a random freak event that shoukld fix when i restart/
[13:33] <locomo> bjwebb: sorry, i dont know, try launchpad maybe
[13:33] <locomo> i have no stuckage
[13:33] <bjwebb> i didn't
[13:33] <bjwebb> it just started
[13:33] <bjwebb> ill try restarting, see if it carries on
[13:34] <locomo> seriously... it is not acceptable to system monitor tools to monitor itself rather than system
[13:35] <locomo> maybe its video driver?
[13:38] <locomo> that means no one in sane mind will use gnome system monitor to see cpu load, sane ppl will run from gnome system monitor, and use old top
[13:40] <bjwebb_> hmmm
[13:40] <bjwebb> it seems to be okay now
[13:45] <J-_> ahhh, the update manager said there were broken packages. I fire up Synaptic and says nothing is broke.
[13:45] <m1r> J-_ , i had similar problem min ago
[13:46] <J-_> =S
[13:46] <locomo> dialectics in action
[13:46] <J-_> locomo: lol
[13:49] <Unksi> anyone has idea how to remove the default binding from xf86search button? (the search button on the mouse) i cant seem to find any option for that in kde settings or anywhere
[13:53] <jessica> i need to get my wireless working it will only work with open network and i need to sercure mine i carnt leave it open
[13:54] <jessica> i have the Realtek RTL8187B card using ndiswrapper
[13:55] <mildner> anybody with 8.04
[13:56] <gluer> yes :-)
[13:56] <jessica> yes
[13:56] <jessica> this is the hardy channel
[13:56] <jessica> we all help and request help on this channel
[13:56] <Tuv0k> !ask
[13:56] <mildner> I have problems with sound
[13:56] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:57] <mildner> Warning: module config file does not exist
[13:57] <m1r> jessica , tryed to enter manually data into /etc/network/interfaces ?
[13:58] <jessica> i have tryed enterning the data manually
[13:58] <jessica> it still dose not work
[13:58] <KalEl> inconsistency in packages? "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en_1%3a8.04+20080317_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/shared-mime-info.mo', which is also in package language-pack-gnome-en
[13:58] <KalEl> "
[13:58] <m1r> jessica , does card detects network ?
[13:58] <jessica> yes
[13:59] <m1r> iwlist scan ?
[13:59] <jessica> my card dose not support iwlist scan
[13:59] <_Zandro_> What make is your wlan card?
[13:59] <jessica> Realtek RTL8187B
[14:00] <m1r> shouldnt RTL work without ndiswrapper *?
[14:00] <jessica> yes i am using ndiswrapper
[14:00] <jessica> but it dose not connect to sercure networks
[14:00] <jessica> only open networks
[14:00] <m1r> why u use ndis ?
[14:00] <_Zandro_> and you use the latest driver?
[14:00] <m1r> it dont work without ndis ?
[14:01] <jessica> no you need nidwapper for it to work
[14:01] <gluer> new updates just came through
[14:02] <_Zandro_> i had another realtek card that i used ndiswrapper on (Realtek 8180L) and it worked just fine on WPA networks
[14:03] <jessica> i can not get it working with WPA ether its more promising than WEP as WPA will connect but drop out 1 second after and WEP just rejects it
[14:03] <rsk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[14:03] <m1r> jessica wpa-supplicant loaded ?
[14:04] <jessica> yes everything is loaded correctly which is what i dont understand
[14:04] <_Zandro_> what version of ndiswrapper are you using?
[14:04] <jessica> latest one
[14:04] <jessica> latest stable one
[14:06] <_Zandro_> well id might try an older version of the realtek driver, they usually have earlier versions out on the FTP server.
[14:06] <jessica> hold on im going to check something i have just re-installed ndiswrapper and the driver i will see if it has any effect
[14:09] <bjwebb> i can't add new users
[14:10] <bjwebb> is this a known thing?
[14:11] <bjwebb> and what does users-admin come under on launchpad
[14:12] <_Zandro_> sure you can add users, you just forgot to do smoething important
[14:13] <spiderfire> how can i gather information into a file about my system?
[14:13] <bjwebb> _Zandro_: like what?
[14:13] <_Zandro_> do you see a button with a key on it?
[14:13] <jessica_> right i have my wireless working now
[14:13] <jessica_> thankyou
[14:13] <bjwebb> _Zandro_: ive "unlocked" it
[14:13] <bjwebb> it click add user
[14:13] <bjwebb> fill the details in
[14:13] <bjwebb> and it seems to work
[14:14] <bjwebb> but if i close it and reopend it is gone
[14:14] <m1r> resintall fixed jessica ?
[14:14] <bjwebb> and i get errors on the command line
[14:14] <_Zandro_> Jessica: well dont thank us, thank yourself :P
[14:14] <gluer> bjwebb: are you creating users as root?
[14:14] <bjwebb> gluer: i open the app as a non-root user
[14:15] <bjwebb> but the app has the unlock button
[14:15] <bjwebb> which i click and type my password
[14:15] <bjwebb> so it should have root
[14:15] <Tailsfan> Hi There, Will Hardy's Final Alt. Installer have the ability for you to choose your screen resolution again?
[14:15] <bjwebb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6012/ -> cli output
[14:15] <gluer> bjwebb: i would try it as root see what happens
[14:16] <bjwebb> well, when i run it with gksu i can't do anything with it
[14:16] <bjwebb> it won't let me add a user or unlock
[14:17] <gluer> what command are u running
[14:17] <bjwebb> users-admin
[14:17] <m1r> hmm, evolution sudendly have send/recive button greyed out, cant send recive anymore
[14:17] <bjwebb> bbiab
[14:18] <gluer> bjwebb: i get the same thing
[14:18] <_Zandro_> hmm works fine here
[14:19] <_Zandro_> reboot brb
[14:22] <spiderfire> is ther an easy way to gather system info for debuggers?
[14:27] <rinaldi_> Hi i just upgraded to hardy. After the restart, before loading the gdm, it asked me to configure my nvidia graphics card, so I selected the nv driver. However it still ran in low resolution. When the desktop loaded it asked me to install the nvidia restricted drivers so I did and restarted. Now when it starts up I get a command prompt for 20 secs and then it asks me again to configure the graphics card, and same with the restriced ones. Is there a
[14:27] <sidelil> excuse me in hardy my auto-completion does work as it did previously. Do you know why? Is it a bug or a choice? Can I set it back? Thanks
[14:27] <sidelil> *doesn't
[14:28] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: whats your vid card?
[14:28] <rinaldi_> nvidia geforce 7600gt. It worked fine in gutsy with restricted drivers
[14:29] <spiderfire> i have 7600gs
[14:29] <spiderfire> i saw this problem myself and with someone else
[14:29] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: did you get a fix?
[14:30] <spiderfire> its fixable
[14:30] <spiderfire> not exactly sure how i did it
[14:30] <gluer> just install envy to figure it out
[14:30] <spiderfire> but you just have to resolve some package problem probably
[14:31] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: you have nvidia-glx-new?
[14:31] <spiderfire> you have the latest generic kernel?
[14:32] <spiderfire> restricted-manager
[14:32] <gluer> rinaldi: http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[14:32] <spiderfire> restricted-manager-core?
[14:33] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: nvidia-glx-new is installed restriced manager is, and the kernel, I assume so
[14:34] <spiderfire> try resinstalling linux-restricted-modules-2.6.14-12-generic
[14:34] <spiderfire> dpkg-reconfigure
[14:34] <vox> anyone know why mousekeys activates itself every 2-3 days, even tho it's not ticked?
[14:34] <rinaldi_> ok thanks. gluer is envy safe to use?
[14:34] <spiderfire> so that with the kernel...
[14:34] <spiderfire> also get startup-manager\
[14:34] <spiderfire> to configure your boot loader
[14:34] <gluer> rinaldi: works for me, just get envyng
[14:35] <rinaldi_> ok thanks guys il try it out
[14:36] <spiderfire> you shouldnt need envy. this is something else i think
[14:36] <locomo> how to increase interface font size in blender?
[14:36] <larson999> what are the magic words to unlock the services in the service manager gui?
[14:37] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: i remeber it is the nvidia modules that doesnt load
[14:37] <rinaldi_> ok
[14:37] <larson999> so far hardy looks perty nice.
[14:38] <spiderfire> someone said "instead of reinstallation linux-restricted-modules, just running "sudo
[14:38] <spiderfire> depmod" solved the problem for me."
[14:39] <spiderfire> but youll find the nvidia driver isnt loaded
[14:39] <cyclonut> blast. sound trouble isnt fixed.
[14:39] <cyclonut> anyone else lose sound occasionally after closing a flash movie?
[14:40] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: hmm in synapric there seem to be duplicates of the linux-restricted-modules, might that be it?
[14:41] <spiderfire> i thought so
[14:41] <spiderfire> try removing the old ones
[14:41] <spiderfire> i did
[14:41] <rinaldi_> there are 4, some with ubuntu logos on them
[14:41] <mildner> I get following message after upgrade: E: console-setup: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[14:41] <spiderfire> just keep the -12 386 and generic
[14:44] <rinaldi_> ok il be back in a sec, see how the restart goes
[14:46] <vox> anyone know why update-manager falls in a heap when i click Install Updates? Instead of prompting for my password, it just sits there...
[14:47] <mildner> I have no sound on 8.04 but beside this everything looks fine
[14:47] <coz_> vox,  I dont but have you tried opening sysnaptic package manager  and try updateing from there?
[14:47] <HardyOne> or from terminal
[14:47] <vox> it works from terminal, yes
[14:48] <vox> but update manager doesnt
[14:48] <HardyOne> mildner, same sound issue here. was actually working when I first install then after a couple updates or maybe something I installed sound stopped
[14:48] <vox> which.. i would think would be something to look into? :)
[14:48] <coz_> vox,  sudo apt-get update   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:48] <coz_> vox,  maybe they had a problem with that
[14:49] <vox> coz_: yeah i know how to do it :)  i'm just thinking that if updates-manager isnt working, then a /lot/ of people are going to be affected
[14:49] <larson999> is there a doc somewhere on policy kit?  can't seem to find one.
[14:49] <coz_> vox,  no offense meant I just  wanted to allow that option:)
[14:49] <vox> hmm
[14:49] <vox> synaptic wont start
[14:49] <larson999> think i found one
[14:50] <mildner> HardyOne it stoped right from the beginning
[14:50] <vox> ok this is weird
[14:50] <coz_> ooo
[14:50] <vox> if i select synaptic from system->admin, it wont start
[14:50] <coz_> vox, try it in terminal
[14:50] <coz_> any errors?
[14:50] <vox> if i run 'gksudo synaptic' from terminal within x, it asks for p/w and starts fine
[14:51] <coz_> mm
[14:51] <vox> where are the menu item details located?
[14:51] <rinaldi_> i restarted and still nothing, which packages exactly do you have installed?
[14:52] <HardyOne> mildner, what does lspci show you about sound/audio device?
[14:53] <gluer> rinaldi: did eny work?
[14:53] <rinaldi_> i havn't done it yet, il try if this doesn't work
[14:54] <mildner> HardyOne, I made this:http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Aadebug      do you like to read the output?
[14:55] <gluer> has anyone had CPU at 100% when running compiz?
[14:55] <vox> what cpu is it?
[14:56] <larson999> errr, i gonna take a while to figure this policy kit thing out.  is there a way to tell it to act like it did in guts?
[14:56] <gluer> core2 duo
[14:57] <vox> gluer: that's.. different
[14:57] <gluer> vox: says intel core2 duo
[14:58] <vox> no i mean, compiz using 100% cpu
[14:58] <vox> is unusual
[14:58] <rinaldi_> spiderfire: didn't work, what packages exactly do you have installed, im not sure which ones to get rid of and install. If just get rid of them all and start from new itl probably work
[14:58] <jessica> firefox keeps crashing
[14:58] <jessica> is there anyway to stop this
[14:58] <HardyOne> mildner, handy script
[14:58] <spiderfire> rinaldi_:
[14:58] <gunashekar> file a bug report
[14:58] <gluer> jess: im getting heaps of crashes as well
[15:00] <spiderfire> 2.6.24-12 restricted modules
[15:01] <spiderfire> 2.6.24-12 generic and 386 i have...but i use generic fine
[15:02] <spiderfire> modules common
[15:02] <larson999> i got one crash today  but only one.  that's an improvement.  if i don't crash again today, i'll keep heron.  if not, i'll go back to arch.
[15:02] <spiderfire> restricted-manager + -core
[15:02] <spiderfire> ubuntu restricted etc
[15:02] <rinaldi_> ok
[15:03] <mildner> HardyOne, yes but I dont know how   ;-)
[15:03] <HardyOne> dont know how to what?
[15:03] <spiderfire> everything 2.6.24-12
[15:03] <spiderfire> type lsmod to see if you nvidia module is loaded
[15:04] <spiderfire> and if your xorg.conf have nvidia instead of nv
[15:05] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: youll probably also want nvidia-settings to configure your card
[15:05] <Frijolie> I think the new "Network Manager Editor" is messing with my wifi connection...it wont grant access to the keyring so I can connect to my WPA wifi network
[15:05] <locomo> blender crashes, freezes, etc
[15:05] <spiderfire> rinaldi_: and startup-manager makes sure your boot loader is configured how you want
[15:06] <locomo> this is not beta
[15:06] <HardyOne> ok ALSA shows no soundcard but  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) is listed by lspci
[15:06] <larson999> all i want for easter is to be able to use the services gui!
[15:06] <Frijolie> but, I have to say, Hardy got Compiz working out-of-the-box and I gave up on it when running Gutsy
[15:06] <jessica> i need a stable web browser
[15:07] <HardyOne> jessica, try epiphany-browser
[15:07] <_Zandro_> firefox 3 bothering you?
[15:07] <jessica> is there a way i can downgrade my browser to firefox 2
[15:07] <gluer> jess:
[15:07] <gluer> :-)
[15:07] <jessica> i love firefox 3 but i carnt beta test it