[00:06] <kevr> are there any 32-bit python-dev libraries i can use to cross compile python extensions on ubuntu 64bit?
[00:31] <dlam> im upgrading 14.04 -> 16.04,  mysql part takes forever, i got huge databases =[

[00:33] <ducasse> dlam: check the release notes, i wonder if there was a format change. can't remember, and gtg.
[01:18] <mentalita> hello
[01:18] <mentalita> what virtual machine do you recommend for xubuntu
[01:49] <rmorabia> Newb Questions: I installed a bunch of desktop environments, attempted to uninstall them. When I go to the lock screen, it's still an option to use one of them.
[02:14] <JoshuaD> which one? try apt list -i | grep <name>, where <name> is gnome or xfce or i3 or whatever. Maybe you'll see something you missed uninstalling. What happens when you try to use it?
[02:14] <JoshuaD> oh he's gone. :X
[02:18] <mentalita> hello
[02:18] <mentalita> my dropbox icon is broken
[02:18] <mentalita> unless I start it with dbus-launch
[02:18] <mentalita> what can I do to overcome the issue?
[02:31] <cholby> :3
[02:44] <mentalita> is there not foxit reader for xubuntu?
[02:46] <Rochvellon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Foxit
[02:50] <mentalita> huh I'm trying to wget it but nothing happens
[02:50] <mentalita> actually it just timed out
[02:54] <mentalita> hello
[02:55] <mentalita> how can I make that custom action thingy
[02:55] <mentalita> in thunar
[02:55] <mentalita> like right click
[02:55] <mentalita> create new > python script
[02:55] <mentalita> that should create .py file with a shebang in it
[02:57] <mentalita> can I install synaptic and expect it to work fine
[03:03] <JimmyNeutron> I wipe all the partitions on my USB flash drive with gdisk, including the ZAPping the GPT data structures.  Afterward, I unplug and replug in the USB stick and it still shows all the data on the drive.
[03:03] <JimmyNeutron> fdisk -l shows no partitions though.
[03:03] <JimmyNeutron> I've already tried "sudo partprobe" and that didn't help.
[03:04] <JimmyNeutron> any idea why?
[03:07] <Jonno_FTW> is it possible to install a .deb file with aptitude?
[03:10] <leftyfb> JimmyNeutron: make sure to unmount the flash drive before "wiping"
[03:10] <leftyfb> Jonno_FTW: why not use dpkg or apt?
[03:47] <JimmyNeutron> leftyfb: let me give that a try
[03:57] <Rochvellon> mentalita: there is a newer version: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/latest.php?product=Foxit-Reader&platform=Linux-64-bit&version=<IP_ADDRESS>9&package_type=run&language=English
[04:17] <Neo1> if I my server placed on digitalocean, administration can watch my files?
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:02] <dlam> my desktop video performance gets really sluggish after unplugging my laptop,  any ideas?   im on 16.04 and using the nvidia 384.90 driver
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> dlam: opensource driver performing better on your system?
[06:07] <md84> hi, is there a way to recover previous superblock/partition-data after reformatting with ext4 again?
[06:08] <dlam> lotuspsychje:  same behavior with the open source driver
[06:08] <dlam> not sure where to start debuggin',  i looked into cpu throttling or something,  its a bios setting too (?)
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | md84
[06:53] <mitmf> ubuntu have htop program?
[06:53] <mitmf> how can i know cpu usage?
[06:56] <ducasse> mitmf: 'sudo apt install htop'
[06:56] <alkisg> Or just run `top` :)
[06:57] <mitmf> top show me only memory usage alkisg thaks ducasse
[06:58] <alkisg> mitmf: that's not true, %Cpu(s):  2,4 us,  0,3 sy,  0,0 ni, 96,1 id,  1,2 wa,  0,0 hi,  0,1 si,  0,0 st
[06:58] <ducasse> alkisg: or that. 'glances' is also nice :)
[06:58] <mitmf> alkisg: oh thanks anyway i installed htop now
[06:58] <mitmf> 8)
[06:58] <alkisg> Sure. There's also a GUI for it, if you don't want terminal.
[06:59] <Spiegel> how do I get a progress bar for copying in terminal
[07:00] <alkisg> Spiegel: like manpages.ubuntu.com/gcp ?
[07:01] <Spiegel> alkisg: Thanks that worked
[07:02] <alkisg> You're welcome
[07:15] <davido_> I found a simple little UX quirk in 17.10: Settings | Universal Access | Repeat Keys | Speed --- Left is faster, right is slower. Not sure about others but to me it's kind of opposite of what I would expect.
[07:15] <alkisg> davido_: file a bug report, the irc channels aren't a proper way to report issues
[07:15] <alkisg> !bug
[07:55] <alkisg> Ben64: I couldn't find any way to configure dnsmasq to not forward AAAA requests.... but I was able to create an /etc/default/grub.d/disable-ipv6.cfg file that disables ipv6, thus avoiding the need to edit a conffile like /etc/default/grub. All is well. :)
[08:47] <Aquza> Anyone know when they fix the two wifi icons in the panel?
[08:48] <autopsy> What panel?
[08:48] <Aquza> on my desktop the bar D:
[08:49] <vincenzoml> Hi there, I just installed ubuntu 16.04 on a macbook 2008 (4,1). It's slow on login; basically I see the background hanging for some 30 seconds or more. I thought it was the fault of compositing or heavy desktop interface, so I uninstalled ubuntu-desktop unity* gnome* and installed xubuntu-desktop. Problem persists. Can it be lightdm? What's the display manager of xubuntu?
[08:51] <alkisg> Flash <IP_ADDRESS> is out, but Ubuntu Xenial still has 27,0,0,159, so firefox disables it... when should we expect an update?
[08:52] <alkisg> Ah, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin => in proposed...
[08:56] <vincenzoml> I just installed xdm and things did not change: after log in, background sits there for a long time, then finally xfce loads and everything seems to work as expected. Any hint?
[08:57] <k_sze[work]> Are the Ubuntu image checksums served from any HTTPS site?
[08:58] <k_sze[work]> Using GPG to verify the checksum file and then using the checksum file to verify the image is ... so much work.
[08:58] <bazhang> !hashes
[08:59] <k_sze[work]> bazhang: yes, but releases.ubuntu.com is not served over HTTPS.
[08:59] <bazhang> k_sze[work], afraid they are not secure?
[09:00] <k_sze[work]> bazhang: if I'm not afraid, why would I bother checking the hashes?
[09:00] <bazhang> k_sze[work], would someone here independently checking it , be enough for you
[09:01] <alkisg> Hashes are not only there for security, one may also need to see if the download was not corrupted by bad networking or copying
[09:01] <bazhang> yep
[09:02] <k_sze[work]> The whole process needs to be more usable.
[09:02] <k_sze[work]> Like, there's the GPG signature file, now what?
[09:02] <bazhang> k_sze[work], suggestions are welcome
[09:02] <k_sze[work]> I don't even know whose key it's using.
[09:02] <alkisg> Eeeh it's not using a key
[09:02] <alkisg> It's just a form of CRC
[09:03] <bazhang> k_sze[work], this, howerver is not the correct forum to hash out those possible improvements
[09:04] <k_sze[work]> alkisg: are you telling me there's actually no way to cryptographically verify the *authenticity* of Ubuntu images?
[09:04] <alkisg> k_sze[work]: hashes are for integrity, not authenticity
[09:05] <vincenzoml> and the answer to my problem is: https://askubuntu.com/questions/893817/boot-very-slow-because-of-drm-kms-helper-errors
[09:05] <vincenzoml> (just to record this in the chat logs)
[09:07] <k_sze[work]> Like, the images are not signed by any known GPG key, *and* they are not served over HTTPS by any of the mirrors.
[09:07] <alkisg> k_sze[work]: right. And once you download the image, you can get its correct md5sum from any site you trust, and verify its integrity
[09:07] <alkisg> There's no .iso signing
[09:10] <thyriaen> When i install the minimal ubuntu install on my thinkpad laptop - will i have support of the proprietary wifi iwlwifi just right off the bat ?
[09:11] <bazhang> thyriaen, it's not included by default, if thats your question
[09:17] <ducasse> thyriaen: there's an option to select packages manually near the end of the installation process
[09:18] <thyriaen> ducasse, including wifi drivers ? :p
[09:19] <thyriaen> ducasse, cause i got a problem on debian with my iwlwifi proprietary drivers for my thinkpad x1 carbon and i am wondeinring if this might be better on ubuntu :)
[09:20] <ducasse> mentalita: if the driver is included with the kernel, you will have it. if you need to install firmware, do so, and you must also install the wireless tools.
[09:28] <Mafamude> good morning
[09:29] <Mafamude> how to install ubuntu on LENOVO 100S-14IBR-609
[09:29] <Mafamude> ???
[09:30] <Mafamude> sound works
[09:30] <Mafamude> wifi works ?
[09:33] <Mafamude> help me please
[09:33] <Mafamude> i'm purchased
[09:33] <bazhang> Mafamude, how are you installing
[09:34] <Mafamude> I still do not have it, I just want it and know it's all funciuona
[09:34] <Mafamude> weorks
[09:34] <Mafamude> works
[09:35] <Mafamude> ãll works
[09:35] <bazhang> Mafamude, you'd need to give us info on the exact items
[09:36] <Mafamude>      Intel Celeron N3060 Dual-Core, 1.6 GHz com Turbo até 2.48 GHz, 2 MB Cache     14" HD 1366 x 768, painel TN, Anti-Glare     Intel HD Graphics 400     4 GB DDR3L 1600MHz     32 GB eMMC
[09:36] <bazhang> Mafamude, typically, using the make and model with 'ubuntu' on a search engine will tell you
[09:36] <r3m1> hello. I have an old firefox release installed in folder FIREFOX_V35 . When I launch it even from $FIREFOX_V35/firefox, it is the newest, system-wide firefox that is launched. How can I force to launch this particular version ?
[09:36] <bazhang> Mafamude, and you asked abut the wifi
[09:37] <Mafamude> I find nothing
[09:38] <bazhang> Mafamude, thats something we need to know, to answer will it work 'out of the box'
[09:39] <Mafamude> and sound ?
[09:39] <bazhang> Mafamude, yes, we would need toknow that as well
[09:40] <pax_rhos> hello
[09:40] <bazhang> Mafamude, you might ask the sales person if you could test run an ubuntu usb on it, just to see, not install
[09:41] <pax_rhos> who the hell is apport? it is a buggy process, sometimes it eats up 99.7% CPU after switching between virtual desktops (xfce) on a 2monitor system. This also hangs me my chromium.
[09:42] <bazhang> pax_rhos, what message do you get from apport
[09:48] <ducasse> Mafamude: https://askubuntu.com/questions/813715/installing-ubuntu-on-lenovo-100s-14
[09:52] <Mafamude> thank you
[09:52] <pax_rhos> bazhang: none.
[09:54] <JerryCotton> hi
[09:55] <JerryCotton> anybody else anoyed about the top panel in ubuntu 17.1? it was one of the few feateres i realy liked about unity that it only had a sidebar. is it possible to delete the top panel?
[09:57] <stevie86> Hi Everyone! I would like to run tmate https://tmate.io/ on my ubuntu server 17.10 setup... I am stuck at this error:  sudo apt-get install tmate
[09:57] <stevie86> Reading package lists... Done
[09:57] <stevie86> Building dependency tree
[09:57] <stevie86> Reading state information... Done
[09:57] <stevie86> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[09:57] <stevie86> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[09:57] <stevie86> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[09:58] <trafaret1> hi there
[09:59] <trafaret1> guys I need your help
[09:59] <stevie86> Hi!
[09:59] <bazhang> trafaret1, with what
[09:59] <trafaret1> I have installed r-base system and it has 3.2.3 version but as I know there is 3.4.2 version. Reason why I want to update some packages doesn't work with this version
[09:59] <stevie86> I have trouble installing tmate https://tmate.io/ on my ubuntu artful server - but run into problems: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26131637/
[10:00] <trafaret1> bazhang: I don't know how to update this
[10:00] <cfhowlett> stevie86, artful isn't supported here until release.  ask #ubuntu+1
[10:02] <alkisg> Isn't artful released already? :)
[10:03] <alkisg> cfhowlett was probably thinking bionic... :D
[10:03] <bazhang> !artful
[10:03] <bazhang> yes
[10:03] <stevie86> ok think I fixed it
[10:04] <stevie86> No, didn't fix it
[10:04] <alkisg> steven: run apt update and then apt policy tmate
[10:04] <alkisg> And pastebin the output
[10:04] <stevie86> I ran sudo apt-get install libevent-dev but still same error
[10:04] <stevie86> ok
[10:05] <steven> no, don't tell me what to do alkisg !
[10:05] <alkisg> steven: OK, I won't
[10:06] <alkisg> steven: ah sorry I pinged the wrong name, was targetting stevie86 :D
[10:06] <steven> I figured but felt like a joke was needed :)
[10:06] <alkisg> It took me a while to see that I wrote "steven" above :D
[10:07] <alkisg> stevie86: I haven't used tmate, aren't you concerned about the security since all traffic passes from other people's servers?
[10:11] <alkisg> Ah, I can host my own server, that's nice
[10:12]  * alkisg uses epoptes.org instead :)
[10:17] <stevie86> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26131706/
[10:20] <pax_rhos> and again and again that apport hangs and restarts after I kill -9 it
[10:20] <pax_rhos> what's that? can I safely disable it?
[10:24] <ducasse> pax_rhos: 'apt show apport'
[10:33] <jac76> anybody use the "radio tray" tool?
[10:34] <pagios> hi all
[10:34] <pagios> i have a network printer, e-STUDIO2000AC when i print to it it always prints in landscape mode, how can i fix this? problem is only on linux
[10:34] <pagios> no colors too
[10:36] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:37] <jac76> I have set up a bunch of channels in the "Radio Tray" tool and they all play great.  But I want it to play at a lower "background" volume to other audio occurring on the system.  But I can't find a volume capability inside the tool, even though the display hints that there is one.
[10:39] <stevie86> still can't run tmate... any ideas?
[10:40] <pagios> ANYO?
[10:40] <akik> stevie86: it wasn't requesting libevent-dev but libevent
[10:42] <alkisg> stevie86: did you put the output that I requested to pastebin?
[10:42] <alkisg> stevie86: sudo apt update; apt policy tmute
[10:44] <stevie86> alkisg: yes!
[10:44] <stevie86> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26131706/
[10:44] <pax_rhos> ducasse: oh, so it's useless, how to disable it?
[10:44] <alkisg> stevie86: see, you're using a ppa, that's why there are issues with the versions
[10:45] <alkisg> stevie86: remove the ppa from your sources, then run apt update, then install the stock tmate
[10:45] <alkisg> stevie86: you may also want to notify them that their ppa is broken in your ubuntu version
[10:48] <akik> stevie86: also consider if you really want to use tmate, as alkisg warned about
[10:48] <akik> i think i've seen similar apps that don't require any 3rd party servers
[10:50] <alkisg> Since their server-side code is also open source, I'm not too concerned... If someones needs to, they can host it themselves
[10:57] <littlejohnny> If i install Ubuntu Server 16.04, and then i immediately install xfce4, i reboot and it doesnt boot into xfce4. Is there any other step i need to do to 'activate' the xfce4 desktop?
[10:58] <Ben64> why not install xubuntu
[10:59] <akik> littlejohnny: the selection is in the login screen, where you can select the xfce desktop
[11:00] <littlejohnny> akik, yes but i never installed ubuntu-desktop. i just want only xfce4
[11:00] <littlejohnny> i want to install the minimal desktop without all the recommended packages
[11:01] <akik> littlejohnny: the package manager didn't pull the needed dependencies for the gui login?
[11:02] <littlejohnny> no.. and i dont know why.. because when i install ubuntu-desktop after installing Ubuntu Server 16.04 it will boot into the desktop, but with xfce4 it doesnt.
[11:02] <littlejohnny> akik
[11:03] <akik> littlejohnny: i wonder if "sudo apt-get install xorg" would fix it? sorry i haven't ran into that kind of problem
[11:03] <geirha> did you install just xfce4, or xubuntu-desktop?
[11:04] <littlejohnny> geirha, i installed only xfce4 and rebooted and still booted into server mode. I tried installing xfce4-goodies and rebooted. and still no gui.
[11:04] <littlejohnny> akik, not sure.. havent tried it yet
[11:05] <akik> littlejohnny: ah maybe you need to set the systemd target for graphical.target
[11:05] <geirha> xfce4 is just the main component of the xfce desktop-environment. It won't get you the desktop manager (lightdm) for instance, like the *ubuntu-desktop packages do
[11:06] <akik> littlejohnny: what does "systemctl get-default" tell you?
[11:06] <JerryCotton> i did read that ubuntu no longer uses lightdm in 17.10. but thats only a sidenote :)
[11:06] <geirha> littlejohnny: have a look at    ''apt depends xubuntu-desktop''   you'll want some more of those packages
[11:07] <geirha> or just install xubuntu-desktop outright, to get the whole xubuntu experience
[11:11] <littlejohnny> hmm.. apt depends xubuntu-desktop seems like i can get somewhere
[11:11] <akik> littlejohnny: what does "systemctl get-default" tell you?
[11:15] <littlejohnny> akik, il try it just now and let you know
[11:21] <slimetrap> what's the default SSH timeout
[11:22] <pax_rhos> seven
[11:22] <slimetrap> for sshd
[11:22] <slimetrap> pax_rhos, lol
[11:28] <Dbugger> Hi everyone
[11:29] <Dbugger> I have a weird bug... everytime I log into Ubuntu 17.10, I get an system error message, and the details says it has to do with /usr/sbin/cupsd
[11:29] <Dbugger> Does anyone know how could I find out more about it, and maybe how to solve it?
[11:39] <qazeeassad> I have 2 graphics Cards in my Laptop
 but currently I only can run the default VGA graphics card
[11:39] <qazeeassad> * Spiegel<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined
 how can I check/install and use my 2nd graphics card which is Radeon
[11:40] <qazeeassad> can anyone kindly look in to my problem and help me?
[11:41] <qazeeassad> I have 2 graphics Cards in my Laptop, but currently I only can run the default VGA graphics card, how can I check/install and use my 2nd graphics card which is Radeon
[11:41] <ducasse> qazeeassad: there's usually a bios/firmware setting to choose which gpu to use
[11:41] <qazeeassad> I have checked that, my bios doesn't show this info
[11:42] <qazeeassad> still how it is that Windows can detect it but Ubuntu cannot?
[11:44] <qazeeassad> ducasse: is there no other option to do that?
[11:44] <ducasse> qazeeassad: ask your hardware manufacturer why they don't support linux
[11:45] <qazeeassad> ducasse: I have never questioned them for Windows, so why should I need to ask them for Ubuntu
[11:45] <ducasse> qazeeassad: and i don't know, i just know it's common there's a bios setting
[11:45] <qazeeassad> I thought Ubuntu will be my final resting place. but it seems... I am not ready to Rest In Peace...
[11:46] <qazeeassad> really love using Ubuntu... but cannot rest with it...
[11:47] <qazeeassad> bye bye Ubuntu... going back to Windows 10...
[11:47] <ducasse> qazeeassad: many manufacturers build stuff that only works properly with windows. they cut corners in the hardware/firmware, and write special windows drivers to fix those problems. then they don't release docs to linux developers
[11:48] <qazeeassad> you are right my friend, but hardware present in the laptop is simply hardware
[11:49] <qazeeassad> if Ubuntu can detect my first Intel Graphics Driver, why cannot it simply detect the 2nd Graphics Card from Radeon
[11:49] <qazeeassad> most of the laptops come with dual graphics card options... Ubuntu should be able to detect them all
[11:50] <steenman> if im working in long directory its awkward to type
[11:50] <steenman> can i shorten it somehow?
[11:51] <steenman> does that make sense?
[11:51] <ducasse> qazeeassad: i don't think you understand what i'm saying. do you think linux developers should make special drivers for every single piece of hardware out there, or should the hardware makers make sure their hardware 'just works' with everything?
[11:51] <ducasse> steenman: use tab completion
[11:52] <ducasse> !tab | steenman
[11:53] <steenman> yes what i mean is this, im talking about in a terminal
[11:54] <Industrial> Hi.
[11:54] <ducasse> steenman: yes, and tab works in most shells as well
[11:54] <steenman> lotsssssssssssss/offfff/directoriess/you/see/ $ THERE IS NOT MUCH SPACE FOR TYPING HERE
[11:54] <Industrial> 1) How do I disable/enable wireless on ubuntu from the commandline? 2) How do I select a wireless network on ubuntu from the commandline?
[11:55] <Industrial> I am using xmonad, no gnome no unity etc, and I am having trouble controlling my wifi.
[11:55] <steenman> its not a major problem just wondering if there is a shortcut to temporaily remove the dir from the terminal or abrreviate it
[11:56] <steenman> im not talking about auto completion :)
[11:58] <ducasse> steenman: you need to be specific :) see what the bash man page has to say about the PS1 variable, you can set it to only include one level, for example
[11:58] <DrSlony> Hello, how do I upgrade some package to a specific version which is not the latest version Specifically, I need to upgrade gitlab-8.5.8 to 9.5.x
[12:00] <steenman> ducasse: i will check that out, its come about because i am being very organised with my files :), the downside is i have alot of dirs within dirs
[12:05] <alkisg> Industrial: are you using network-manager? If so, nmcli helps there
[12:05] <alkisg> manpages.ubuntu.com/nmcli
[12:09] <ducasse> steenman: try 'export PROMPT_DIRTRIM=1' or replace 1 with 2 or whatever suits you
[12:10] <Industrial> alkisg: thanks!
[12:11] <steenman> ducasse: excellent! that worked
[12:12] <steenman> thats just temporary for that cmd prompt isn it?
[12:13] <steenman> what would be good is as you cd through certain directories it automatiically shortens them to ellipsis after a certain depth
[12:14] <carbocalm> Hi ducasse, thanks for your help yesterday. fixed my xmonad yesterday on aardvark. Previously the cog beside login button was missing. Thank you.
[12:15] <ducasse> steenman: don't know of any such feature. try 'man bash', look under 'Shell Variables' and 'PROMPTING'
[12:17] <ducasse> steenman: and yes, it's temporary. add that line to ~/.bashrc to make it permanent for every interactive shell
[12:19] <steenman> that does exactly what i want! :)
[12:19] <steenman> pwd
[12:19] <steenman> oops wrong windopw
[12:19] <steenman> *window
[12:28] <jlacroix> I'm hoping someone can help me with connecting an external USB hard disk to a KVM/Qemu VM. I've tried installing every package with the word "spice" in the name, on both the host and VM, and I've tried reconnecting, rebooting, etc. For some reason, no matter what I do, the USB drive doesn't show up in the guest VM.
[12:39] <ChunkzZ> Hi, quick question. I done a netinstall of Ubuntu 16.04 and I didn't chose to install anything except system utilities and then went on to install lxde and i3-wm with other stuff. when I try and logout from lxde, it does nothing, I click it and nothing happens? only way to get out of the session is to restart from within terminal... any ideas where to start troubleshooting and/or fixing it?
[12:40] <terfysgwr> hello, using grub - how do I make 'ubuntu upstart' the default boot? see my grub menu just has Ubuntu in the entry. the other entries only show up once you go to advanced options. Do those count as boot order ?
[12:42] <terfysgwr> ChunkzZ, I had similar issues with lxde on 16.04. Some buttons not working, menus acting strange. I don't have an answer but you might want to just switch to xfce
[12:42] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Submenus
[12:42] <alkisg> terfysgwr: ^
[12:42] <terfysgwr> Thanks alkisg
[12:43] <ChunkzZ> that sucks terfysgwr
[12:43] <ChunkzZ> :(
[12:43] <terfysgwr> alkisg aha Big thanks. Exactly what I needed :)
[12:43] <terfysgwr> ChunkzZ, yeah I know. I used it for years. Loved it
[12:44] <terfysgwr> But xfce is about the same as far as ram consumption (if you care) & editing menus and things like that are more intuitive to me
[12:46] <terfysgwr> I gotta run now. ChunkzZ, you can 1) try to locate the file that has the button info for logout and see if is actually using the logout command and 2) if you havent heavily customized the menu yet, just delete that entire panel and create a new one
[12:47] <terfysgwr> Cheers
[13:00] <fstoltz> Hey, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server, how should I go about creating a new partition? I'm running Linux Mint on the same harddrive, and it's setup with LVM. Should I create a new partition within Linux Mint first or do everything within the Ubuntu Server installer? I've tried doing it within the installer but I always seem to end up at options telling me that the whole disk will be formatted. Appreciate any help or hints
[13:02] <ztane> grrrrrr
[13:02] <ztane> capslock woes
[13:02] <ztane> someone then decided that there is no need for capslock indicator in gnome gpg pass dialogs...
[13:03] <ztane> ... then ... IDK why, but whenever the capslock is *on* elsewhere, it is *off* in the password dialog
[13:07] <alkisg> ChunkzZ: check .xsession-errors and syslog, you're probably missing required packages
[13:08] <alkisg> ChunkzZ: if the reason for this installation method was to end up to a light system, the route was wrong :)
[13:13] <fub> Hi. I have the problem that the right click context menu is too fast, so when releasing the right mouse button, the first entry is already selected
[13:14] <fub> like here (but the post is very old): https://askubuntu.com/questions/114699/right-click-acts-too-fast-no-fix-yet-any-workaround
[13:14] <fub> Im using 17.10 with i3
[13:24] <marcisb> Cant install nodejs : ((
[13:24] <marcisb> Errors
[13:24] <marcisb> wtf
[13:30] <geirha> !errors
[13:30] <laceylaney> HI.... I would like to be able to use transmission from a terminal but do not know how to set-up transmission-remote-cli. Would someone be able to point me to some help ??
[13:31] <geirha> laceylaney: using transmission-gtk? or the daemon?
[13:32] <laceylaney> I'm running transmission through openbox so gtk....
[13:32] <geirha> ok, in the gtk client's preferences, enable the web interface. That should be it
[13:33] <laceylaney> So whenever I enable that I can access transmission through the command line ??
[13:35] <geirha> yes, it will start listening on the rpc port 9091, which is the same as the web interface
[13:35] <ChunkzZ> alkisg: yeah, tis was to be on a light system. I'm running i3-wm atm so will check soon. what packages do I need?
[13:35] <laceylaney> Thank you for the help :-)
[13:37] <laceylaney> Just tried what you suggested and the web interface loads but is set to port 9080 & whenever I try to load via the command line I'm presented with
[13:38] <laceylaney> unauthorized user
[13:38] <geirha> if you have authentication enabled, the default username and password is transmission iirc
[13:39] <laceylaney> It doesn't ask for anything whenever I run the command ?? How should the command look ??
[13:39] <laceylaney> Sorry I'm such a noob....
[13:40] <geirha> laceylaney: run the remote-cli client with --help. It should have some options to specify username and password
[13:40] <laceylaney> Ahhh yea thanks :-) Will try that now.
[13:54] <alkisg> ChunkzZ: if you want a light system, install lubuntu or ubuntu-mate or whatever, and start it in single mode (recovery) so that most services don't launch, and put a startx script there
[13:55] <alkisg> ChunkzZ: otherwise, just use the recommended packages (apt install --install-recommends), omitting them will get you trouble.
[13:55] <ChunkzZ> cheers alkisg :)
[13:59] <littlejohnny> akik, it says graphical.target
[14:01] <akik> littlejohnny: ok as it should for a graphical login screen
[14:01] <akik> littlejohnny: on kubuntu 16.04 i have sddm running
[14:01] <littlejohnny> akik, then why am i not getting the login screen though? anything to activate it? or am i missing packages?
[14:04] <akik> littlejohnny: you can check what login manager you have with: dpkg -l | grep -E "(sddm|lightdm)" i don't remember which one xubuntu has
[14:04] <BluesKaj> littlejohnny, you prrobly opted for autologin during the install. hence no login page
[14:05] <geirha> akik: apt depends xubuntu-desktop | grep -E '(sddm|lightdm)'
[14:06] <littlejohnny> akik, that cmd doesnt return anything
[14:07] <akik> littlejohnny: it's lightdm that you need to install
[14:07] <littlejohnny> BluesKaj, no. the story is i installed server, but then i just want minimal xfce4 desktop...installed xfce4 but theres no gui.
[14:08] <geirha> if you don't want a desktop manager, you have to start X manually with the startx command
[14:08] <geirha> the desktop manager is the one responsible for the graphical login screen
[14:09] <littlejohnny> geirha, that worked without installing anything else. how do i make it auto startx though?
[14:09] <littlejohnny> if thats possible
[14:10] <littlejohnny> without installing desktop manager.. or isnt that possible?
[14:10] <geirha> littlejohnny: short answer: "You don't", Long answer: You find a getty application that lets you autorun a command without logging in
[14:10] <littlejohnny> akik, btw lightdm wants to install a shit load of packages..unity control center etc..
[14:11] <geirha> I don't think the getty installed by default has that feature
[14:11] <geirha> littlejohnny: try with --no-install-recommends
[14:11] <ibmr50e> what lightweight PDF reader you guys recommend? preferably GTK
[14:12] <geirha> lightweight is a bit useless term these days. Every new application made is advertised as "leightweight" :)
[14:13] <ibmr50e> as useless as your comment?
[14:13] <laceylaney> :quit
[14:14] <geirha> ok, evince
[14:16] <littlejohnny> geirha, sudo apt-get install lightdm --no-install-recommends and rebooted, still no gui
[14:17] <geirha> check if lightdm service is enabled. Also unsure if you need a ligthdm greeter
[14:18] <littlejohnny> geirha, maybe just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends...     i want as minimal desktop as possible lol
[14:18] <BluesKaj> quite sure he needs a greeter to choose thew desktop option
[14:19] <littlejohnny> whats the greeter package name? and how to check if lightdm service is enabled?
[14:19] <littlejohnny> sudo systemctl lightdm status?
[14:19] <geirha> apt depends lightdm    see the -greeter packages
[14:19] <BluesKaj> the greeter is lightdm
[14:20] <geirha> there are separate -greeter packages, which are only "recommended", not "depended on", which is why I was unsure; don't know if lightdm comes with a default greeter or not
[14:22] <darkfrog> I installed MongoDB on Ubuntu 16.04 and I can't find the service script.  It's apparently not in /etc/init.d/...where else are service scripts stored now?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> afiak  it has adefault greeter
[14:26] <geirha> ok, so it's probably just a matter of getting the service enabled then
[14:35] <littlejohnny> geirha, how
[14:35] <littlejohnny> ?
[14:35] <darkfrog> you guys weren't any help, but I finally found it here: /lib/systemd/system/mongod.service
[14:37] <geirha> littlejohnny: see what    systemctl status lightdm    says
[15:00] <ChrisR> I have sort of a strange question. I'm trying to disable  squashfs on an Ubuntu machine. We're using a security scanner that expects "modprobe -n -v squashfs" to return "install squashfs /bin/true". That "install squashfs /bin/true" line is in a config file in /etc/modprobe.d/disable.conf, butg it still doesn't show up when running the modprobe command. Is there any config needed to get it to show up when actually
[15:00] <ChrisR> running the modprobe command? Just wondering if I'm missing something.
[15:02] <littlejohnny> geirha, btw the status says failed.. start request repeated too quickly
[15:02] <brainwave> ChrisR: have you tried unsquashfs?
[15:03] <littlejohnny> geirha, "service hold-off time over"
[15:03] <littlejohnny> whys it failing
[15:04] <geirha> littlejohnny: check the logs ... /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[15:04] <ChrisR> brainwave:  that command exists, but we don't have any squashfs filesystems on the instance
[15:05] <brainwave> ChrisR: So there are no squashfs filesystems, but you are trying to prevent the module being loaded by the kernel?
[15:05] <ChrisR> yep
[15:05] <ChrisR> exactly
[15:06] <brainwave> ChrisR: the scanner expects to 'install' the squashfs itself? is that why you want it disabled?
[15:06] <ChrisR> brainwave: the scanner expects this: modprobe -n -v squashfs    to return this: install squashfs /bin/true
[15:06] <ChrisR> I realize that's kind of dumb, but
[15:07] <ChrisR> such is the world of security scanners ;)
[15:07] <brainwave> ChrisR: lets first check if the module is loaded, currently
[15:07] <ChrisR> okay
[15:10] <ChrisR> brainwave: would I see it under lsmod?
[15:10] <wildc4rd[work]> Good afternoon, after recommendations for getting remote desktop access to a ubuntu PC from a windows PC via internet
[15:10] <brainwave> ChrisR: Thats what Im confused about
[15:11] <brainwave> ChrisR: I know that squashfs support is enabled with a kernel switch, but I can't remember how to check for it
[15:11] <brainwave> but technically it 'should' show if the module is loaded
[15:12] <brainwave> Because I see ext4 under my lsmod (on archlinux) and thats a filesystem
[15:13] <hateball> wildc4rd[work]: do you need a GUI?
[15:13] <hateball> wildc4rd[work]: otherwise just ssh
[15:14] <littlejohnny> geirha, the last 2 errors say:  "failed to find session configuration default"  and "failed to create greeter session"
[15:14] <wildc4rd[work]> hateball, ideally, yes. I could just about scrape by with ssh, but other users are not as comfortable without the GUI
[15:15] <hateball> wildc4rd[work]: iirc Ubuntu has a builtin wizard for enabling VNC access
[15:15] <hateball> wildc4rd[work]: otherwise there are third party solutions like Chrome Remote Desktop
[15:16] <geirha> littlejohnny: ah, so perhaps you need to install xfce4-session
[15:16] <Mr_Pan> wildc4rd[work], teamviever ...
[15:16] <littlejohnny> geirha, i checked xfce4-session is installed already
[15:16] <geirha> hm, but not set as default apparently
[15:17] <brainwave> ChrisR: I am signing off atm but heres my two cents, if its worth something
[15:17] <wildc4rd[work]> thanks hateball/Mr_Pan, I'll give those a go and see what happens
[15:18] <geirha> littlejohnny: do you have anything in /usr/share/xgreeters/ ?
[15:18] <brainwave> ChrisR: You can either blacklist the module under /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf (path may be different)
[15:19] <brainwave> ChrisR: And to check if its being loaded as part of initramfs you can use mkinitcpio -v (shows which modules were pulled by which hooks. Squashfs would be pulled by filesystem hook for instance)
[15:20] <brainwave> ChrisR: Important thing is, after blacklisting modules by adding to modprobe.conf, rebuild your initramfs (look up on how to do this)
[15:21] <qazeeassad> anyone here?
[15:21] <theseb> help! live Lubuntu does NOT have a screen lock....is there some screen locking app i can d/l that will work on a live setup?
[15:21] <theseb> qazeeassad: sort of
[15:21] <qazeeassad> I have installed Ubuntu via UEFI
[15:22] <donofrio> anyone else feel freenode issue this morning?
[15:22] <donofrio> or "just me"
[15:22] <Seveas> donofrio: nickserv/chanserv were dead just now
[15:22] <donofrio> yah it's better now...I was able to ident
[15:22] <qazeeassad> theseb: does it change why I don't see my 2nd Graphics card in sysinfo?
[15:22] <littlejohnny> geirha, there isnt xgreeters under /usr/share
[15:22] <theseb> qazeeassad: yes
[15:23] <theseb> qazeeassad: dunno
[15:23] <qazeeassad> how do you reply back?
[15:23] <qazeeassad> I mean
[15:23] <qazeeassad> I have to type your name then press TAB and then press BACKSPACE twice and put a Colon
[15:23] <qazeeassad> is there a shorter method?
[15:24] <geirha> littlejohnny: then you probably do need to install one
[15:24] <donofrio> just wanted to make sue it was not me and my neat daily driver tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk made by https://1drv.ms/p/s!AsBlZbBf72iNnZoZn0eLi-ywKYEerg (no need to signup for 1drive just click x)
[15:24] <donofrio> sue = sure
[15:25] <geirha> littlejohnny: one of these:  apt-cache search '[-]greeter$'
[15:26] <qazeeassad> whats the quickest method to reply to someone? here in chat
[15:27] <qazeeassad> pm theseb hi
[15:27] <qazeeassad> PM theseb hi
[15:27] <qazeeassad> theseb, hi
[15:27] <qazeeassad> nobody is replying me in time
[15:28] <qazeeassad> looks like I will have to google everything and search for hours and understand nothing
[15:29] <donofrio> qazeeassad, hu?
[15:30] <qazeeassad> nobody replies in time
[15:30] <qazeeassad> especially when you need something quick
[15:30] <donofrio> qazeeassad, keep in mind irc is not IM
[15:30] <donofrio> qazeeassad, sometimes it takes hours/days of lurking in some channels for an answer...
[15:31] <qazeeassad> donofrio, you're right
[15:31] <akik> qazeeassad: you need to write /msg theseb your text here
[15:31] <qazeeassad> but thats private message i think....
[15:32] <qazeeassad> akik when I write akik and press TAB it puts a (,) at the end.... while you wrote my name with (:) in the end
[15:32] <qazeeassad> do you have to do it manually everytime? or is there a short method to do so?
[15:33] <akik> qazeeassad: it's just your irc client that handles the tab differently
[15:33] <qazeeassad> which one are you using? i am using HexChat
[15:33] <akik> qazeeassad: on irc, usually a : is used
[15:35] <qazeeassad> could you kindly let me know about your software that you are using?
[15:35] <qazeeassad> sudo apt-get install irc-gnome???
[15:35] <littlejohnny> geirha, so i can install anyone of those?
[15:35] <littlejohnny> the lightest one preferrably
[15:36] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: what is your ubuntu support issue exactly?
[15:36] <geirha> littlejohnny: Don't know which is the lightest though...
[15:37] <qazeeassad> leftyfb, I don't see my 2nd graphics card, how to enable and install it?
[15:38] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: what version of ubuntu are you running? What 2 types of cards do you have? How have you determined they aren't working? How have you determined if they are or aren't detected properly?
[15:38] <qazeeassad> I am using HP laptop with dual graphics cards... 1st is Intel HD 520
[15:39] <qazeeassad> secondary is ATI Radeon 2GB graphics card
[15:39] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: I don't know of any laptop that will support multiple graphics "cards".
[15:39] <qazeeassad> I was using Windows 7 then 10.... but I want to make Ubuntu my home, there I had the ability to use both graphics cards for my purposes
[15:39] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: how is your ATI Radeon connected to your laptop?
[15:40] <qazeeassad> actually the 1st graphics card in internal motherboard, used for display
[15:40] <qazeeassad> the Dedicated Graphics card is for gaming and other purposes
[15:40] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: how is your ATI Radeon connected to your laptop?
[15:40] <qazeeassad> it is present inside the laptop..
[15:41] <qazeeassad> it is not an External Graphics card
[15:41] <leftyfb> how?
[15:41] <leftyfb> what type of connector?
[15:41] <qazeeassad> it is not External brother
[15:41] <leftyfb> what is the model of the graphics device?
[15:41] <littlejohnny> geirha, thanks
[15:41] <geirha> littlejohnny: it works now?
[15:42] <littlejohnny> geirha, yeah simple gtk manager did the trick
[15:42] <qazeeassad> wait.. i'll give you the details
[15:43] <geirha> littlejohnny: ok, so that means    apt install lightdm-gtk-greeter xfce4-session   on a fresh server install should be the minimum
[15:44] <qazeeassad> AMD Radeon™ R7 M440 Graphics (2 GB DDR3 dedicated)
[15:44] <qazeeassad> this is the model of my 2ndry graphics card
[15:44] <littlejohnny> geirha, yeah.. thats the most minimum it can go haha :)
[15:44] <qazeeassad> leftyfb, for full description please check the website: https://support.hp.com/in-en/product/hp-15-ay000-notebook-pc-series/10862300/document/c05164752
[15:45] <qazeeassad> leftyfb, you there?
[15:45] <qazeeassad> leftyfb, I think you are offline?
[15:46] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: yes, i'm spending time out of my work day reading through google results for you. Would you like me to go faster?
[15:46] <qazeeassad> see this is the main problem here
[15:46] <qazeeassad> thank you bro
[15:46] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: everyone here is a volunteer. You need to be patient or nobody will be interested in helping you
[15:47] <qazeeassad> oh I thought you were all Ubuntu support
[15:47] <allu2> qazeeassad you could probably check if the graphics card is detected by running something like "lshw -C video" on terminal and trying to see any mentions of "Radeon"
[15:47] <qazeeassad> no it doesn't
[15:47] <qazeeassad> lshw -C video only returns the VGA model
[15:47] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: anything in lspci?
[15:47] <qazeeassad> assad@assad-HP-Notebook:~$ lshw -C video
[15:47] <qazeeassad> WARNING: you should run this program as super-user.
[15:47] <qazeeassad>   *-display
[15:47] <qazeeassad>        description: VGA compatible controller
[15:47] <qazeeassad>        product: Sky Lake Integrated Graphics
[15:47] <qazeeassad>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[15:48] <allu2> Some link to a pastebin might be in place
[15:48] <qazeeassad>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[15:48] <qazeeassad>        physical id: 2
[15:48] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: you can't post multiple lines of text to IRC channels. It fills up the screen too much and will hinder others getting support. You need to paste to an online paste site like pastebin.ubunut.com and paste the link to it here
[15:48] <qazeeassad>        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[15:49] <qazeeassad>        version: 07
[15:49] <qazeeassad>        width: 64 bits
[15:49] <qazeeassad>        clock: 33MHz
[15:49] <leftyfb> and still going
[15:49] <allu2> Well he had like 0.1 sec time to react to that instruction ^^
[15:49] <allu2> qazeeassad next time you want to copy paste something, use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ and just paste the link here
[15:50] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: now you can type. You were silenced by a bot to prevent filling the chat with your paste
[15:50] <qazeeassad> hi
[15:50] <qazeeassad> oh thanks goodness
[15:50] <qazeeassad> you see I am a totally newbie here
[15:51] <qazeeassad> stupidly doing everything without any knowledge
[15:51] <allu2> qazeeassad for the sake of trying you might want to try "sudo lshw -C video" to run the command as an administrator
[15:51] <qazeeassad> XD
[15:51] <qazeeassad> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26133331/
[15:51] <menzbua> Hey all, i have a problem with Ubuntu 17.10 mounting a smb share via CLI. When i connect to the share everything works. When i try to mount the share via CLI i got permission denied.
[15:51] <menzbua> on the server i see that the gui connects with some flags
[15:51] <menzbua> proto=ntlmv2 flags: ENC_128, NEG_VERSION, NEG_NTLM2, NEG_NTLM, NEG_TARGET, NEG_UNICODE
[15:51] <menzbua> when i mount via cli i did not see that flags
[15:52] <menzbua> kdc failed with -1561745663 proto=ntlmv2
[15:52] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: what about lspci and maybe sudo lshw without specifying video?
[15:52] <qazeeassad> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26133339/
[15:52] <qazeeassad> still the same
[15:52] <leftyfb> that's still specifying video
[15:52] <leftyfb> and no lspci
[15:52] <menzbua> I mean when i mount the share via the GUI everything works. It not works when i mount via CLI.
[15:53] <allu2> Was probably answer for my suggestion, next I'd look into grub and setting radeon.modeset=1 based on https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2374539 while there is a problem in the post with no solution, at least the card is detected
[15:53] <qazeeassad> leftyfb, I installed sysinfo, it collects and displays all the info about your pc
[15:54] <qazeeassad> there also I didn't find the 2nd Graphics Card
[15:54] <genii> menzbua: What command are you issuing
[15:54] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: could you pastebin lcpci -vv and sudo lshw to pastebin please?
[15:54] <menzbua> sudo mount.cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/Daten frodo_daten/ -o username=user,password=password,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755,uid=1000,gid=1000,domain=WORKGROUP
[15:55] <leftyfb> allu2: step #1 is to confirm that the device is detected. So far, we're not seeing that.
[15:55] <genii> menzbua: Escape the spaces in the path
[15:55] <akik> menzbua: do you use the correct user for mounting?
[15:55] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: also, have you looked in your BIOS settings to see if there's any place to enable your device?
[15:56] <menzbua> there is no space in the path
[15:56] <akik> menzbua: you could also try using smbclient and see what is the problem maybe
[15:56] <qazeeassad> leftyfb, in lspci there it is... 01:00.0 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265] (rev ff)
[15:56] <menzbua> yes, the user is correct. when i use this user via GUI it works
[15:56] <qazeeassad> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26133359/
[15:57] <qazeeassad> it means that Ubuntu did check it... and finds it in the system, but how can I make it work for me?
[15:58] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: what does glxinfo tell you?
[15:58] <leftyfb> actually hold on, don't do that
[15:59] <qazeeassad> there is a lot of info, and I am a newbie to Ubuntu
[16:00] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: glxinfo |egrep -i "opengl vendor|opengl renderer"
[16:01] <menzbua> when i use smbclient i see the flags too and it works
[16:01] <menzbua> kdc: ok user=FRODO\manuelmenz proto=ntlmv2 flags: ENC_128, NEG_VERSION, NEG_NTLM2, NEG_NTLM, NEG_TARGET, NEG_UNICODE
[16:02] <menzbua> it is the same behaviour as in the GUI mount
[16:02] <qazeeassad> assad@assad-HP-Notebook:~$ glxinfo |egrep -i "opengl vendor|opengl renderer"
[16:02] <qazeeassad> OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
[16:02] <qazeeassad> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 520 (Skylake GT2)
[16:02] <akik> menzbua: maybe the FRODO\ in the username should be removed?
[16:03] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: please, going forward, use pastebin for pasting data
[16:04] <qazeeassad> ok...
[16:04] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: now, try:   export DRI_PRIME=1 ; glxinfo |egrep -i "opengl vendor|opengl renderer"
[16:04] <leftyfb> then pastebin the results
[16:04] <menzbua> in the mount i don't have FRODO in the username
[16:04] <menzbua> but i tried it with no and i have the same problem
[16:05] <menzbua> sudo mount.cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/Daten frodo_daten/ -o username=FRODO\\user,password=password,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755,uid=1000,gid=1000,domain=WORKGROUP
[16:05] <menzbua> sudo mount.cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/Daten frodo_daten/ -o username=FRODO\\user,password=password,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755,uid=1000,gid=1000
[16:05] <menzbua> without domain sorry
[16:05] <akik> menzbua: what error do you seen in the samba log file?
[16:06] <qazeeassad> leftyfb, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26133393/
[16:06] <menzbua> also tried it with domain=FRODO
[16:06] <menzbua> same problem
[16:06] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: have you tried opening the "additional drivers" application?
[16:07] <qazeeassad> yes
[16:07] <leftyfb> does it show up there?
[16:08] <qazeeassad> there is only one Unknown device, it says... Using processor Microcode firmware for Intel CPUs from intel-microcode(proprietary)
[16:08] <qazeeassad> 2nd option is Do not use the device
[16:08] <qazeeassad> I think it is related something to CPU ???
[16:09] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: To start, my thinking is you might not be able to use both displays at once. You MIGHT be able to switch between 1 running at a time. But I'm not sure. I don't buy anything with ATI.
[16:10] <qazeeassad> in Blender from Windows, I could use both.... but in Ubuntu it is not showing up
[16:11] <qazeeassad> although, even I don't buy ATI but I am stuck with this laptop
[16:11] <qazeeassad> so anyway, what would you suggest me do?
[16:12] <menzbua> do you mean the logfile of the server or of the client?
[16:12] <akik> menzbua: server
[16:13] <akik> menzbua: /var/log/samba/
[16:13] <menzbua> it is an macos server
[16:13] <menzbua> the client is ubuntu 17.10
[16:13] <akik> oops!
[16:13] <akik> menzbua: anyway, read the error from the server and then make a web search for it
[16:14] <qazeeassad> leftyfb, You there?
[16:14] <leftyfb> qazeeassad: I'm not sure. But I have to get back to work. One thing you might ask others in here for help with is maybe cherry-picking the appropriate changes from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI that might work with Ubuntu
[16:14] <menzbua> i tried that but i found nothing valuable for me
[16:14] <qazeeassad> thank you brother... you've been a lot of help
[16:14] <menzbua> https://pastebin.com/mT5UefXn
[16:14] <menzbua> that is what i see on the server when i try to connect via cli
[16:15] <menzbua> https://pastebin.com/wnV7AFRe
[16:16] <menzbua> and thats what i see when i connect via gui or smbclient
[16:16] <p0a> Hello I have uninstalled firefox but I still get ff updates for language packs etc. How can I get rid of them?
[16:17] <akik> menzbua: kdc is a kerberos process. are you using kerberos?
[16:18] <menzbua> do you mean sec=krb5?
[16:18] <Langley> Hello, I've tried to follow this to randomize my MAC address, but it stays the same. I've placed the script at the bottom in the specified folder, what am I doing wrong? https://www.paulfurley.com/randomize-your-wifi-mac-address-on-ubuntu-1604-xenial/
[16:18] <akik> menzbua: somehow your gui and smbclient get "kdc ok"
[16:19] <Langley> Do I need to set it as executable or something?
[16:19] <menzbua> yes, and i don't understand what is the difference between gui/smbclient and mount.cifs operation
[16:20] <akik> menzbua: try this https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1008358-start-0.html (salahx, Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015)
[16:24] <menzbua> i've tried that already
[16:25] <akik> menzbua: do you have mount.smb ?
[16:25] <menzbua> nope
[16:26] <akik> menzbua: try adding the mount option "nounix"
[16:27] <menzbua> same problem
[16:27] <akik> menzbua: well i'm out then! :)
[16:27] <TsakNorris> Does anybody have idea why public Hotspot wont work with 17.10 Artful. It gives Error resolving : Name or service not known
[16:28] <menzbua> is there a possibility to link a gui mounted device?
[16:28] <menzbua> my problem is i want to access the mountpoints via scp
[16:28] <akik> menzbua: can't you then access the server directly with scp?
[16:29] <menzbua> no, because only the ubuntu server has internet access
[16:29] <menzbua> i don't want face my old macos server to the internet
[16:31] <TsakNorris> Public Hotspot works with other devices. I also tested Google Dns
[16:32] <TsakNorris> It won't work with 17.10 Artful
[16:34] <TsakNorris> Linux Mint works in that public Hotspot.
[16:36] <menzbua> i think i will switch to sshfs
[16:39] <akik> menzbua: can you update the osx server os?
[16:39] <menzbua> no, it is an old mac mini
[16:39] <menzbua> hangs on 10.11.
[16:42] <menzbua> thats okay for me too with sshfs
[16:42] <menzbua> and it works
[16:42] <menzbua> thanks for helping
[16:43] <p0a> Hello
[16:43] <p0a> I've uninstalled firefox but I keep getting language pack updates. how can I remove this?
[16:43] <manuth> Hey guys - sorry for interferring - is there anyone who can help me configuring LDAP on Ubuntu (17.10)?
[16:44] <manuth> *LDAP-Server
[16:48] <TsakNorris> https://askubuntu.com/q/983099/767675
[16:49] <TsakNorris> Normal wifi connection works! But not public Hotspot
[17:05] <throstur> when I install git with apt-get, I get an error: dpkg: error processing package firefox (--configure): \n package firefox is not ready for configuration \n cannot configure (current status 'half-installed')
[17:05] <throstur> this is after running dpkg --configure -a
[17:05] <throstur> what am I doing wrong? I can't install man-db either (this is what really triggers the error)
[17:06] <leftyfb> throstur: what version of ubuntu?
[17:06] <throstur> erm... let's see
[17:07] <throstur> 4.4.0-21-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 18 18:33:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:07] <leftyfb> throstur: cat /etc/issue
[17:07] <throstur> 16.04 LTS
[17:07] <leftyfb> throstur: try: sudo apt-get install -f
[17:07] <throstur> yes I get that exact same error
[17:08] <leftyfb> throstur: can you copy/paste the entire error along with the command?
[17:08] <leftyfb> to pastebin.ubuntu.com
[17:08] <throstur> !paste
[17:08] <genii> You might also want to always do sudo apt update before installing/uninstalling things so it grabs the latest list every time
[17:08] <leftyfb> that too
[17:08] <throstur> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26133762/
[17:08] <throstur> ok let me restore from snapshot and try again with apt upgate before dpkg configure
[17:09] <genii> Hm root
[17:09] <leftyfb> snapshot? VM?
[17:09] <throstur> I'm using a VM because we're setting up auto-configuration scripts for a hardware machine and it needs to be robust, so we got a bunch of VMs for testing
[17:09] <throstur> basically it's to prevent "oh it worked but a command failed so we worked around it" kind of comments in the documentation
[17:13] <pagios>  any idea how to install these linux cups/ color filters on ubuntu / linux? http://business.toshiba.com/usa/support/downloads.jsp?SELCTD_MODEL=e-STUDIO2050C&AXN=SELCTD&site=usa#e-Bridge Current Drivers
[17:14] <throstur> hmm.. that page is blank... must require javascript
[17:14] <jonfatino> Can anyone help me out with a bash script. So I have this ipmi script that checks to see if the server powered down. It loops until the server is powered down. How can I create like $n=0 $n=1 so it tries 5 times and if not then fails and moves on.   http://paste.ubuntu.com/26133788/
[17:14] <throstur> jonfatino: you might want to try #bash
[17:15] <EriC^^> jonfatino: for i in {0..1}; do <something>; sleep 1; done
[17:15] <EriC^^> jonfatino: that's assuming you want it to check every second for 5 times
[17:16] <throstur> uhh... apt update isn't supposed to dump the core should it
[17:16] <EriC^^> jonfatino: sorry it should be for i in {0..5};...
[17:17] <pagios> ANOYNE?
[17:17] <EriC^^> jonfatino: actually {0..4}
[17:17] <jonfatino> EriC^^: its ok :-) I already posted in #bash
[17:17] <EriC^^> alright, cool :)
[17:18] <throstur> pagios: maybe try asking your question in a way that I can actually understand it, by not referring to a web page that requires javascript just to render the DOM
[17:18] <pagios> throstur, i am trying to print in colors using linux on my toshiba printer
[17:19] <throstur> pagios: have you installed CUPS?
[17:19] <throstur> pagios: install CUPS, then install a driver for your printer (you will need to search for your printer model, most probably), then try to print in color
[17:21] <pagios> throstur, yea i have cups installed, the printer works fine in black n white
[17:22] <pagios> in color tab i see no profile found
[17:24] <throstur> pagios: google <your printer model> color driver ubuntu
[17:24] <pagios> throstur, i did
[17:24] <pagios> =e-STUDIO2000 toshiba
[17:28] <throstur> what is that
[17:28] <pagios> my network printer
[17:28] <throstur> find the apt package that has drivers for it
[17:29] <pagios> huh
[17:35] <throstur> pagios: http://www.openprinting.org/driver/Postscript-Toshiba/
[17:35] <throstur> hate to spoonfeed you, but you seem to need it
[17:36] <pagios> throstur, no 2000 here
[17:36] <pagios> mine is studio 2000
[17:37] <throstur> pagios: install it anyway
[17:38] <throstur> you will probably get color
[17:38] <throstur> it's either that or wait until someone else can hold your hand for a bit
[17:38] <throstur> you could install it and try while waiting, too
[17:53] <Epx998> Anyone know if there is a common utility to grab network information from a server?  By default we are deploying servers with dhcp, that need a conversion to a static ip, the script we do that with is a rube goldberg script - need to simplify it
[17:54] <rustyraptor> Hey does anyone know how to share a wifi connection over ethernet in the new Ubuntu 17.10?
[17:54] <rustyraptor> The network settings GUI is a lot different now.
[17:55] <rustyraptor> Is there a way to install the old one?
[17:57] <alkisg> rustyraptor: what happens if you run `nm-connection-editor` in a terminal?
[17:59] <rustyraptor> alkisg that does it thanks :)
[17:59] <alkisg> np
[18:01] <alkisg> Epx998: you mean like e.g. running a web server on the server, and getting some configuration on the client with wget?
[18:01] <Epx998> alkisg: I mean and in shell utility that will covert my interfaces from dhcp to a static entry
[18:01] <alkisg> I don't understand what that means
[18:02] <alkisg> You want a script that will set the client to a static ip?
[18:02] <Epx998> yes
[18:05] <onio> My c program has problem reading a file when run from a crontab job. It reads file okay when reading from command line
[18:05] <onio> any suggestion on how to get around this
[18:06] <BluesKaj> Epx998, you create a static ip with entries in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[18:08] <BluesKaj> Epx998, like so https://www.swiftstack.com/docs/install/configure_networking.html
[18:12] <konrados> Hi. I want to know what type of RAM I have, ddr - what, what capacity per socket... I've once found a GUI app for this, just can't remember it's name...
[18:14] <akik> konrados: sudo lshw -class memory
[18:15] <konrados> sec
[18:16] <q9> What's the equivalent of Debian-testing bionic or artful-backports ?
[18:18] <konrados> akik: I'm a complete newbie....   I need a tool to tell me this
[18:21] <konrados> genii: thanks but no, I just need a tool to tell me everything...
[18:21] <ioria> konrados, that or run   sudo dmidecode --type 17
[18:21] <konrados> sec
[18:22] <tomreyn> the store will refer hiom to a museum if it's 800 mhz
[18:22] <konrados> tomreyn: yeah, maybe :P
[18:22] <konrados> ioria: http://dpaste.com/16TE24A
[18:23] <konrados> ioria: I still don't know what to buy for her
[18:23] <konrados> her == my friend
[18:23] <konrados> she's has this problem, and no she has no idea what machine she has
[18:23] <konrados> :)
[18:23] <tomreyn> how about a new computer
[18:23] <konrados> tomreyn: oh, please..............
[18:24] <konrados> ehhh, just please tell me how to find it out.... please?
[18:24] <akik> konrados: the lshw command even gives you the memory stick model
[18:25] <akik> konrados: the product line
[18:25] <tomreyn> i doubt they sell ddr2 anywhere near you now, but i'd also pull the memory and look at what it says / bring it to the shops
[18:27] <genii> 800MHz indicates DDR2, yes
[18:27] <tomreyn> this will probably be PC2-6400 DDR2-800 memory
[18:27] <ioria> konrados, but Type is empty ...
[18:28] <ioria> *unknown
[18:30] <EraserPencil> Could someone help me with lxd init?
[18:44] <ioria> konrados, maybe it's a bios issue ; try with decode-dimms : https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92037/how-to-view-rams-spd-timings-table
[18:44] <varaindemian> I have an old muschine, 2 gb of ram and swap set to 2 gb. What should I do to decrease swappiness?
[18:45] <konrados> akik: this is the result of  sudo lshw -class memory - http://dpaste.com/2XBJF59 - I still don't know what to buy...
[18:45] <konrados> ioria: sec
[18:46] <varaindemian> anyone?
[18:46] <akik> konrados: i wouldn't either :) it doesn't list a "product" line
[18:47] <konrados> akik: but on THIS particular machine I *was* able to tell her she needs to buy more ram, I even told her what kind of........................ ehhhh,
[18:48] <konrados> it's just that we don't remember what was it
[18:50] <konrados> that is crazy I do remember it was a simple GUI based app...
[18:55] <ioria> konrados, decode-dimms not working ?
[18:56] <konrados> ah, ok, installing i2c-tools
[18:56] <konrados> ...
[18:57] <konrados> installing some weird something-something only to find out what ram we have...
[18:58] <konrados> I'm in a bad humor today, I did somehow convinced here to install ubuntu now I can't even find out this basic info....
[18:59] <konrados> ioria: they want me to do sudo modprobe eeprom - but... what is this? I'm not sure - is it safe?
[19:00] <konrados> ok, I assume it is, entering some random stuff from the internets into terminal, as sudo...
[19:01] <tomreyn> konrados: i think "sudo lshw -short -C memory" was suggested before, did you ever report its output?
[19:03] <konrados> tomreyn:  yes, I did try  lshw -C memory, no success but...
[19:03] <tomreyn> konrados: what does "no success" look like? did the system freeze, reboot, or did the command provide no output, or not the output you expected, or exit with an error=?
[19:04] <konrados> ioria: tomreyn I tried decode-dimms and have this: http://dpaste.com/01JJK1B
[19:04] <ioria> DDR2 SDRA Samsung
[19:04] <konrados> so.... I need DDR2 SDRAM 2GB right?
[19:05] <tomreyn> PC2-6400, as i think i mentioned before.
[19:05] <tomreyn> but i don't know this utility or how good it is at guessing
[19:06] <tomreyn> if "M3 78T5663QZ3-CF7" is correct this should return some web search results, though
[19:06] <konrados> tomreyn: it is funny... NOW the sudo lshw -short -C memory brings this info as well.... or IDK mabye I missed something the first time o.O
[19:06] <konrados> tomreyn: ioria - THANK YOU :P
[19:06] <tomreyn> such as 'sudo'?
[19:07] <konrados> tomreyn: maybe... :P I was in a big hurry
[19:07] <konrados> sorry for that
[19:08]  * tomreyn 's feelings weren't hurt.
[19:09] <konrados> :P
[19:10] <Thyriaen> is there no ubuntu-gnome 17.10 ?
[19:14] <genii> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop artsy
[19:14] <genii> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop artful
[19:16] <tomreyn> Thyriaen: "transitional", depends on ubuntu-desktop. so no, there is no separate ubuntu-gnome in addition to the default ubuntu desktop, which is gnome, in 17.10.
[19:16] <ioria> konrados, i think it's your bios, if you reboot and don't load the modules above, you'll get the same incomplete infos (wit)
[19:17] <nms> !info
[19:19] <nms> !info man
[19:20] <tomreyn> konrados: i was mostly serious when i suggested to buy a new computer. while the memory will cost no more than 20 or 30 USD, it means sepnding money on improving an 8 year old hardware platform. if money matters, this can be a good choice, if user experience is important, replacing the system is probably worth it (also from an energy efficiency aspect).
[19:25] <konrados> tomreyn: she already has a decent machine, it's only about upgrading this one for the smallest $ possible :P
[19:26] <tomreyn> konrados: i don't mean to argue, but 8year old is not decent, not by my measures. i recently changed from a 9yo desktop to a current one, and it's an entirely different experience.
[19:27] <konrados> tomreyn: what I meant is that she has TWO machines. One is OK, 16GB ram, ssd disks,...it's about upgrading this one for her daughter to watch YT with funny cats :P
[19:27] <tomreyn> oh i see
[19:27] <konrados> *by "this one" I mean the other one
[19:28] <konrados> I told her that increasing RAM from 2GB to 4GB will make a huge difference in this case.
[19:28] <alkisg> konrados: what's the cpu model?
[19:28] <konrados> because now stupid browsers can take about 1GB easily when just browsing sites.
[19:29] <konrados> alkisg: sec
[19:29] <alkisg> konrados:  grep model /proc/cpuinfo
[19:30] <tomreyn> consider getting 8 (2x4) instead if it's compatible, the price will be very similar
[19:30] <konrados> alkisg: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU        E3200  @ 2.40GHz
[19:30] <konrados> tomreyn: yeah, this is what I'm about now :P
[19:30] <konrados> seems indeed the price is very similar :P
[19:30] <alkisg> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+E3200+%40+2.40GHz => 1386 => good enough for simple browsing, so yeah 4 GB will help a bit
[19:30] <konrados> alkisg: but she's short on ram, realllly short
[19:30] <alkisg> DDR2
[19:31] <konrados> alkisg: yeah :P
[19:31] <konrados> alkisg: tomreyn - thank you very very much again!
[19:31] <alkisg> np
[19:31] <Thyriaen> genii does that mean when i remove the ubuntu-gnome transitional package i get default gnome ?
[19:32] <tomreyn> konrados: welcome. consider an ssd, too (even one of the cheaper ones), or just a current hdd or sshd.
[19:33] <tomreyn> Thyriaen: it means that if you have the ubuntu-gnome transitional package installed then you already have ubuntu-desktop (the default desktop) installed, and dont need to make any changes.
[19:33] <Thyriaen> tomreyn, yes i think we are not getting eachother though :) i was refering to https://ubuntugnome.org/ :)
[19:34] <tomreyn> "The final stable non-LTS release is Ubuntu GNOME 17.04."
[19:35] <Thyriaen> yea - so i need to get just the normal "ubuntu" flavour :)
[19:35] <Thyriaen> but it changed the default ubuntu desktop a bit to make it more ubuntuy right ? :) so how can i remove those modifications ?
[19:50] <Numline1> Hey guys. Anyone know what tool generates these fancy graphs? https://dannyvankooten.com/media/2017-benchmark-laravel-c100.jpg
[19:51] <espacito> hello
[19:52] <Younder> Numline1, could it be Naios
[19:52] <Younder> Numline1, could it be Nagios
[19:52] <Numline1> Younder, I doubt that, doesn't look very nagiosy :/
[19:53] <Younder> Well it isn't dashboard
[19:54] <davecore> grafana?
[19:55] <davecore> prometheus?
[19:55] <davecore> graphite?
[19:57] <genii> Numline1: Why don't you email him at the address provided on https://dannyvankooten.com/contact/ and ask?
[19:57] <GrandPa-G> with systemd service file 1) what would ExecStart=/bin/true
[19:57] <GrandPa-G>  do? 2)with that how does systemd know what program to start?
[19:57] <Numline1> davecore might be one of them, yeah. Grafana looks similar from what I've checked
[19:58] <Numline1> genii because I've seen that tool before and was hoping someone might know
[19:58] <dft> Grafana is fairly easy to setup.  We use it at work with a graphite cluster backend receiving metrics from ~400 systems
[19:59] <davecore> his blog article https://dannyvankooten.com/laravel-to-golang/  mentions netdata.   and on https://my-netdata.io/   you can see the source code  at   https://github.com/firehol/netdata
[19:59] <tomreyn> Numline1: this may be prometheus
[19:59] <davecore> and in there you see "can archive its metrics on graphite, opentsdb, prometheus"
[20:00] <Numline1> ay ay, looks like it's netdata
[20:00] <Numline1> you're a true dective
[20:00] <Numline1> detective
[20:00] <Numline1> even
[20:00] <Numline1> thanks guys, I'll look into it :*
[20:08] <Younder> Gotta wierd error where I can't compile CUDA code. It gives an large string of errors starting with: /usr/include/c++/5/cwchar:248:11: error: ‘::wcstold’ has not been declared.. Anyone familiar with this patters?
[20:08] <Younder> pattern
[20:08] <fub> How do I define different settings in my Xresources for different displays (eDP, DP1-1) ?
[20:24] <bipolar> The upgrade to linux-image 4.4.0-103 has broken my ceph network file system connection. :|
[20:27] <ioria> bipolar, 103 has not been released
[20:28] <ioria> bipolar, sorry
[20:28] <bipolar> ioria: Linux 080027c073df 4.4.0-103-generic #126-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 4 16:23:28 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:28] <ioria> bipolar, yeah
[20:28] <bipolar> ioria: aparently it has.
[20:28] <bipolar> My workstations are all updating to it.
[20:29] <ioria> bipolar, yep
[20:33] <davecore> bipolar: what happened with your ceph network file system connection?
[20:34] <bipolar> davecore: when it tries to mount it gets this in dmesg:
[20:34] <bipolar> [   46.897487] ceph: problem parsing mds trace -5
[20:34] <bipolar> [   46.897491] ceph: mds parse_reply err -5
[20:34] <bipolar> [   46.897492] ceph: mdsc_handle_reply got corrupt reply mds0(tid:1)
[20:34] <bipolar> If I try to mount from the command line I get an input/output error
[20:35] <bipolar> davecore: Using grub to boot into the previous kernel fixes the issue.
[20:35] <Thyriaen> does ubuntu 17.10 use wayland ?
[20:36] <lordcirth_work> bipolar, thanks, I'll avoid the kernel for now on our iaas systems
[20:36] <konrados> ok... how do I find my motherboard model?
[20:36] <konrados> how can I know if the motheboard will accept 4gb per slot?
[20:36] <davecore> bipolar: what tunables profile do you use?  ceph osd crush show-tunables  (the "profile" line)
[20:37] <bipolar> davecore: "profile": "firefly"
[20:38] <bipolar> I'm running jewel btw
[20:38] <bipolar> depreciated?
[20:39] <konrados> i got it!!! Product Name: G31M-ES2L
[20:39] <lordcirth_work> s/depreciated/deprecated/ is the term. (and I don't know if it is)
[20:39] <konrados> i hope so...
[20:39] <davecore> bipolar: I see there were some ceph fixes in the changelog, including https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1728739
[20:40] <konrados> ooooh it's https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-G31M-ES2L-rev-23#sp
[20:41] <konrados> 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets supporting up to 4 GB of system memory
[20:41] <bipolar> davecore: I saw that, but it's not the error I'm getting. Possibly related to the fix?
[20:41] <konrados> does it mean that when this machine has one 2gb mem device I can only buy another 2gb?
[20:42] <ioria> bipolar, your ceph version ?
[20:42] <lordcirth_work> konrados, yes, sadly
[20:43] <konrados> lordcirth_work: ooooooooh
[20:43] <konrados> lordcirth_work: thanks :P
[20:43] <konrados> this machine seems to be older than I thought o.O
[20:43] <bipolar> ioria: the cilents are using the ubuntu provided (ceph-fs-common 10.2.9-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>). The server nodes are 10.2.6-1xenial as provided from the ceph repo.
[20:44] <ioria> !info ceph xenial
[20:44] <bipolar> I've observed a machine only upgrade the kernel to *-103 (everything else was already up to date) and it fails to mount with that error.
[20:45] <ioria> bipolar, 10.2.6-0ubuntu1 is zesty ..
[20:45] <bipolar> ioria: thats on the server nodes. They're xenial packages from ceph.
[20:45] <davecore> bipolar: in another bug (https://www.spinics.net/lists/ceph-devel/msg29457.html), the user has the same error message and mentions CRUSH_TUNABLES5
[20:46] <konrados> lordcirth_work: I've found this "RAM DDR2 2GB 800Mhz PC2-6400s" - is this ok? If you want me to give more info about the system please let me know :P
[20:46] <bipolar> davecore: that's promising! I'll check it out.
[20:46] <bipolar> davecore: thanks!
[20:46] <davecore> bipolar: i'll see if I can find if there's a problem with the fix in LP #1728739
[20:46] <lordcirth_work> konrados, what frequency (Mhz) is your current RAM?  Preferably it should match
[20:46] <bipolar> davecore: ty
[20:49] <konrados> lordcirth_work: it's "Fundamental Memory type   DDR2 SDRAM" "Maximum module speed  800 MHz (PC2-6400)" http://dpaste.com/01JJK1B
[20:49] <konrados> lordcirth_work: seems it matches ?
[20:49] <lordcirth_work> konrados, seems so.
[20:49] <bipolar> davecore: Looks like the mention of those errors was with a setup running a pre-release on the server nodes. all 10.2.x version should work fine together.
[20:49] <konrados> lordcirth_work: cool, thanks!
[20:53] <arora> !next
[20:56] <kevr> say what?
[20:56] <kevr> well, i'm next then
[20:56] <kevr> lol
[20:57] <kevr> anyway,
[20:57] <kevr> i need to cross-compile for armel on ubuntu xenial armhf
[20:57] <kevr> people keep pointing me in the direction of "gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi" on google, but it doesn't seem to exist
[20:57] <kevr> also
[20:57] <kevr> i need to make sure that C++ cross compiles, not just C
[20:58] <arora> kevr: gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi does exist
[20:59] <bipolar> davecore: I've created a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1737033
[21:00] <arora> can ubottu link packages?
[21:00] <arora> kevr: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi
[21:00] <kevr> arora: where?
[21:00] <arora> kevr: ^^
[21:01] <kevr> looks like it only exists on i386, amd64, and arm64
[21:01] <kevr> not armhf
[21:01] <kevr> i'm looking for it on armhf
[21:02] <arora> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf kevr
[21:02] <kevr> indeed, but that isn't armel architecture, is it?
[21:02] <kevr> or is the only different soft/hard floats?
[21:02] <kevr> difference*
[21:08] <arora> kevr: is gcc-4.9-armel-cross what you are looking for?
[21:09] <kevr> but it doesn't exist on armhf xenial.
[21:09] <kevr> (basically, yes, im looking to cross compile for armel on an armhf system)
[21:13] <arora> kevr: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libgcc-4.9-dev-armel-cross ??
[21:14] <kevr> ah HAH!
[21:14] <kevr> arora: I believe you are on the right track.
[21:15] <arora> This one supports all architectures, is it what you wanted?
[21:16] <arora> kevr: ^^
[21:16] <kevr> arora: bam diggity bam bam
[21:16] <kevr> arora: thanks buddy
[21:17] <kevr> you're a time saver
[21:17] <arora> :)
[21:17] <kevr> doesn't work perfectly yet, but it at least compiles
[21:17] <kevr> which is great
[21:18] <arora> oh, there might be hiccups..
[21:18] <arora> good night, its 0108 here
[21:18] <kevr> indeed, im on it though
[21:22] <Nomad81> hey. Anybody knows a good mahjong game for ubuntu ? I mean a 3d nice animated mahjong,not the boring static gnome-mahjong. Thanks
[21:36] <kevr> man this is a brainfuck
[21:38] <kostkon> !language
[21:38] <genii> kevr: Please try to keep the channel family friendly by refraining from swearing
[21:43] <michael2> hi can anyone tell me the difference between security.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com?
[21:43] <swift110_> sd card is not being read on ubuntu mate' whats going on
[21:43] <michael2> i.e. when I look at security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pools, I see a subset of packages
[21:44] <dchapman> Not sure but right now I'm getting this when I try to update: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid-security Release' does not have a Release file.
[21:44] <michael2> are security updates fetched from here - or is security.ubuntu.com just an alias to archive.ubutnu.com
[21:45] <leftyfb> michael2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Install_updates_from:
[21:45] <leftyfb> michael2: https://askubuntu.com/questions/185317/are-security-ubuntu-com-updates-eventually-merged-into-normal-updates
[21:45] <Bashing-om> !vivid | dchapman
[21:45] <kostkon> dchapman, vivid is not supported with updates anymore
[21:46] <leftyfb> vivid is not supported period
[21:46] <dchapman> Right, I'm on 16.04. So I've got something in my apt list that's wrong?
[21:46] <leftyfb> correct
[21:46] <kostkon> dchapman, pastebin it
[21:49] <Neo1> I installed server apache, put there wp site and links don't work http://test.american-chat.ru/2017/12/07/hello-world/
[21:50] <dchapman> kostkon: Found it at the top of the file. Heh, I'm trying to figure out how it got in there. Two lines for vivid. Mysterious.
[21:50] <michael2> leftyfb: great links, thanks. the links explain - conceptually - what distinguishes a package from security.ubunutu.com from archive.ubuntu.com . but im interested to know if these are physically different files or is securuty.ubuntu.comn packages essentially symlinks to the same package in archive.ubuntu.com?
[21:50] <kostkon> dchapman, i'd call it that yeah
[21:51] <leftyfb> michael2: they're different repositories
[21:57] <michael2> leftyfb: makes sense. so if the security maintainers patched say, libaudio package. they would add it to the security.ubuntu.com reoposity  and increment its version number so that the apt-cache policy would just naturaly select the version from security repo over version from main?
[21:57] <Thedarkb> I have a PC with a realtek wifi adapter and I need to install the right drivers without internet access.
[21:58] <michael2> an the fact they package exists in security repo is maintainers way of "announincing" this is a security patched package?
[21:58] <leftyfb> michael2: I'm not exactly sure how that works. My guess is either that, or maybe the security repo is weighted higher in priority somehow
[21:59] <michael2> leftyfb: ok, thanks :)
[22:08] <Thyriaen> i just created a usb stick with unetbootin ( ubuntu 17.10 ) and booted to it - in the menu i chose "Install Ubuntu" ( however the other choices give same result ) - it says "error file /casper/vmlinuz.efi" not found and error: you need to load the kernel first
[22:10] <Ben64> Thyriaen: if you're on linux write the stick with dd, if you're on windows, find something that will directly write the iso to the stick, like dd does
[22:10] <Thyriaen> Ben64, ok
[22:14] <akik> Thyriaen: you can use rufus to do it, press alt-i once when rufus is open
[22:17] <h4r1> on my ubuntu system monitor, does 'memory' tab show physical memory usage of a process?
[22:18] <h4r1> 'memory' column in the processes tab
[22:24] <PigDude> hi, I haven't set up dual boot w/ UEFI before, i installed xubuntu just now alongside a windows partition and while there's a UEFI-specific file in /etc/grub.d, I don't see Windows at startup
[22:26] <PigDude> i see some code in there that looks like it's meant to detect an OS... anybody have experience with this? at install i was warned about replacing some legacy bios setup with UEFI, so i declined that (the message mentioned Debian oddly)
[22:30] <PigDude> `update-grub` says it sees Windows, rebooting
[22:31] <PigDude> asfdjasdljk why wouldn't the installer get that right :\
[22:31] <PigDude> works fine now
[22:31] <PigDude> OK looks like i'm all set
[22:31] <PigDude> wow ive been using ubuntu for 11 years now
[22:56] <Neo1> who know can files of my server to be accessed by server sysadmin?
[22:56] <Neo1> it's VPS
[22:56] <Ben64> Neo1: yes
[22:57] <Neo1> Ben64: and he can change there something?
[22:58] <Ben64> Neo1: sure
[22:59] <Neo1> Ben64: but I read on digitalocean site there they say they when you change password they can't reach, What does it mean?
[23:00] <Neo1> Ben64: there written that your server can access only you and nobody else
[23:01] <Neo1> Ben64: can sysadmin access my files or not?
[23:13] <scott_tams> where are the files stored when they go to the nautilus recycle bin?
[23:13] <scott_tams> My roommate sent a file owned by root to the recycle bin and now he can't empty his recycle bin
[23:14] <leftyfb> scott_tams: ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[23:19] <scott_tams> leftyfb, thank you very much
[23:20] <Jordan_U> Neo1: There is an important distinction between what employees can do and what they will do. There are almost certainly employees of digitalocean that can view and modify your files. I can't tell you which employees have that ability, and they probably have a policy that none of those employees will. But if you want to use a VPS provider you have to accept that they *can* do whatever they want to your
[23:21] <Jordan_U> files.
[23:22] <Neo1> Jordan_U: ok
[23:37] <compunerd> That's why I run my own rackmount server... Poweredge 2950 with 2 quad core xeons (3.2 GHZ), 48 gb RAM, and 8 SAS drives in RAID 6 (1.6 TB with hotswappable polarized drives so that it never has to be shutdown if one component fails... dual power supply on two different breakers from 2 different power accounts and backup internet connection from a neighbor... lol
[23:37] <Neo1> Who know how to install php 5.6 on ubuntu, now there 7.0
[23:38] <compunerd> Why not just use the tasksel program to install the whole LAMP server... sudo apt install tasksel
[23:38] <compunerd> then sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[23:40] <scott_tams>  Neol, most likely you can just use 7.0, it will probably work
[23:40] <Neo1> scott_tams: no, 5.6 will 100% work anywhere
[23:40] <scott_tams> compunerd, it's nice that you can afford that but my $5/month production server will suit me just fine
[23:41] <scott_tams> Oh, you're developing for 5.6?
[23:41] <compunerd> scott-tams... I paid $31 for the entire thing...
[23:42] <scott_tams> :(
[23:42] <scott_tams> I thought I got a good deal on my laptop....
[23:43] <scott_tams> Neo1, you could download the deb package from a different OS than you're using. For example, I bet Debian Jessie is still on 5.6, or perhaps Ubuntu 16.04. Just download the .deb file from their site and install it.
[23:44] <compunerd> lol... I was working with an after school program that was getting the hardware through a program that requires all government agencies to offer old tech to educational institutions... we just had to pay shipping :P hehe
[23:45] <scott_tams> compunerd, that's just not fair. Oh well, someday I'll have a decent rack.... (no pun intended lol)
[23:46] <compunerd> lol... the price on it has actually came down on ebay since I got mine... I've been seeing them for around $200
[23:47] <bazhang> compunerd, scott_tams please take the chatter to #ubuntu-offtopic thanks
[23:47] <compunerd> Might have to buy a few additional components, but to get started it's not too bad
[23:47] <compunerd> Ah, sorry
[23:49] <scott_tams> bazhang, sorry
[23:51] <compunerd> Neo1: you could simply dowload the .deb for mysql5 and use dpkg to install, just make sure all dependencies are met...
[23:52] <compunerd> That is if you just need a mysql server on the machine in question
[23:55] <adrian_1908> Doesn't the distro offer packages for old and cutting edge maybe? It sometimes does when there are version jumps.
[23:55] <compunerd> Neo1: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/linux-installation-debian.html
[23:56] <compunerd> or actually... I think: sudo apt install php5 will do it for you


[01:14] <platyhelminth> lol dev team for ubuntu
[01:14] <platyhelminth> hi
[01:23] <platyhelminth> I am happy to see people wich made this beautiful OS for me for free
[02:50] <Vadi> Which channel is appropriate for "application development on Ubuntu" ?
[02:53] <james_w> Vadi: I'm not sure I'm afraid.
[02:53] <james_w> this isn't really right, it's about developing Ubuntu itself.
[02:56] <ScottK> To the extent there is an answer for that, I'm afraid it's #ubuntu, which isn't a very good answer.
[02:57] <ion_> Application development on Ubuntu is just like application development on any other similar platform. If you’re using OpenGL, find an OpenGL channel. If you’re using Ruby, find a Ruby channel etc.
[02:59] <jdong> I like ion_'s answer the best
[03:02] <Vad1> Find a channel for C is hard
[03:02] <Vad1> *finding
[03:04] <james_w> isn't there ##c?
[03:04] <slangasek> the unofficial channel for the C project?  What would be required to have an official one? :)
[03:05] <jdong> slangasek: some holy language/compiler wars?
[03:05] <wasabi> I think this conversation has hilighted something in my mind that we sort of fail at.
[03:05] <calc> java is better than all of them... er yea ;-\
[03:05] <wasabi> Many people daily have the exact same question Vad1 just had, for WIndows.
[03:05] <wasabi> And they actually get sent to a single site with a bunch of choices.
[03:05] <LaserJock> Fortran Forever!
[03:05]  * calc kicks java for causing so many OOo problems
[03:06] <calc> wasabi: msdn.microsoft.com ?
[03:06] <wasabi> Basically.
[03:06] <wasabi> Good, bad? I dunno. Different.
[03:06] <calc> wasabi: well we could point them at /usr/share/doc
[03:06] <wasabi> Hehe.
[03:06] <calc> wasabi: assuming they have the dev docs installed
[03:07] <wasabi> I wonder what the real statistical benefit of that is. That is, the lack of choice.
[03:07] <calc> lack of choice causes uniformity which makes it more likely to find someone that knows what you need (i guess)
[03:08] <Fujitsu> But the Win32 API sucks.
[03:08] <wasabi> People use .Net now.
[03:08] <wasabi> Also means one place can serve the population, with a set of answers and common development paradigm.
[03:08] <Vad1> calc: That's assuming that answer does exist in that small population.
[03:09] <calc> Vad1: yea
[03:16] <pwnguin> wasabi: just point em to #debian ;)
[03:36] <Vad1> james_w: Thanks, ##c helped me out.
[03:45] <Vad1> wasabi: it will be different, and I think good. Having a unified (keyword) resource that's for everything programming, with all info in one place, will be really nice and make things easier. I don't see msdn failing - it's still going, so it must be working out. Meanwhile I'm reading some comments on brainstorm from people who do know how to code, but getting into it is difficult because of a lack of proper resourc
[03:46] <Vad1> I was typing that so long that I started going in circles in the end. Oops.
[03:58] <mjg59> slangasek: Yo?
[08:32] <slangasek> mjg59: ok, asynchronous it is then. :)  I've taken on responsibility for getting some fixes to acpi-support in for hardy (bug #193842), and there was some doubt expressed at the last platform team meeting about whether this is even still the right package for handling suspend/resume fix-ups; can you confirm that this stuff is all still in the path?
[08:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193842 in acpi-support "Please sponsor cherrypicked fixes for acpi-support into Hardy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193842
[08:36] <famicom> Yo
[08:36] <famicom> anyone here which part of the ubuntu isntaller defines what gets installed
[08:51] <stgraber> famicom: that's not really a "part of the ubuntu installer", it's defined in the preseed/ubuntu.seed file
[08:51] <stgraber> on a normal Ubuntu install, the "ubuntu-desktop" task is selected, so every packages assigned to that task will be installed
[08:58] <famicom> why isnt there a simple cli switch or the option to feed ubiquity an external seed file
[09:01] <famicom> i mean, gee, why should i have to download another whole godd*mn disk to have a functionality that is allready available on the same disk
[09:01] <famicom> that is assbackwards
[09:02] <stgraber> there is a simple switch which you can give it an URL to a preseed file which will give it a different package list (that at least work with debian-installer and should now also work with ubiquity preseeding)
[09:02] <famicom> ah
[09:02] <famicom> and where can i find that in the documentation
[09:05] <stgraber> in the ubuntu install-guide, there is a preseeding chapter
[09:05] <famicom> blegh
[09:05] <famicom> the "official" ubuntu documentation needs to be updated
[09:06] <famicom> right now its less helpfull than windows help/support
[09:06] <stgraber> famicom: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-intro.html
[09:06] <stgraber> famicom: http://evalicious.com/evan.seed for an example
[09:07] <famicom> yeah, i know how they work
[09:11] <famicom> anywyas
[09:11] <famicom> thanks dude
[10:43] <Wartorn> Just had an issue with libxml2-dev package. I have a project that uses this, and i included libxml/xmlmemory.h etc, but this wouldnt compile, if i changed the include to libxml2/libxml/xmlmemory.h it got one step further, but then xmlmemory.h itself couldnt find some files (cause it too includes only the libxml/<file> path), so i had to move /usr/include/libxml2/libxml to /usr/include/libxml, which worked fine. Is it supposed to be lik
[10:44] <afancy> Hi, when i install a software on Ubuntu, I met the following error: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:44] <afancy> what is the matter?
[10:44] <stgraber> Wartorn: please check topic, this channel is about Ubuntu development not development on Ubuntu
[10:44] <Seveas> Wartorn, afancy: this is not a support channel
[10:44] <Wartorn> well, im just asking the devs if its something wrong with the package
[10:44] <afancy> why?
[10:45] <Seveas> Wartorn, no there is not
[10:45] <afancy> so where i should ask this question?
[10:45] <Seveas> afancy, #ubuntu
[10:45] <Wartorn> Well, on my older hardy installation (not updated) this project worked out of the box.
[10:46] <Wartorn> when libxml itself cant find its own files, theres gotta be something wrong, and its installed through aptitude, so it cant be my fault
[10:47] <Seveas> Wartorn, you manually moved files around instead of fixing your -L call (or better: use pkg-config). That breaks things.
[10:47] <Seveas> and given that this is not a support channel, please don't expect support :)
[10:48] <Wartorn> im not looking for support, i found a way to compile it, breakage or not, im just saying it doesent work out of the box anymore
[10:48] <Wartorn> so if its a package error, i just thought this would be the place to go
[10:49] <Seveas> it is not a package error, and if it were, irc channels are not the place to report bugs
[10:50] <Wartorn> Well, fine. Sorry for the hassly.
[10:50] <Wartorn> hassle
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Seveas: have you always been so helpful?
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Wartorn: have you checked for a bug on it already?
[10:53] <Wartorn> Well, no. Sorry. Probably should've done that
[10:53] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I have :) I can't help it he doesn't use pkg-config properly to avoid this
[10:53] <Wartorn> Thing is, why should i have to do that at all?
[10:53] <Seveas> because that's what pkg-config is for.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Wartorn: as it is, 244 packages build with that in hardy, it looks like, so we would have expected mass breakage if it can't find files
[10:55] <Hobbsee> and there is no bug for it
[10:55]  * Hobbsee suspects an issue with the package you're compiling
[10:55] <Seveas> Hobbsee, it's not a package, it's his own code :)
[10:55] <Wartorn> well, its my own program. But on my other computer it worked fine, out of the box (hardy too, not been updated in a while)
[10:59] <Wartorn> And i have no problems with any of the other dependencies the program has
[11:00] <Seveas> Wartorn, that still doesn't make it a bug in the package. You should use the proper way of specifying -I and -l flags
[11:00] <Wartorn> Well, okay. thanks
[11:09] <Hobbsee> damn.  finally hit the x bug again.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> how does one find out what a particular keypress event actually is, if one has the serial/
[11:24] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: xev should normally give a name for it if it knows.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that's what i thought.  how do you find out what it is if it doesn't know/
[11:25] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: No idea.
[12:16]  * lamont reads the growisofs manpage and scratches his head looking for how to erase a dvd-rw...
[13:17] <unggnu> hi all
[13:17] <unggnu> sorry for bothering but I guess this bug report is important and should be fixed before release Bug #197167
[13:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197167 in e2fsprogs "Please sync e2fsprogs e2fsprogs 1.40.7-1 with Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197167
[13:17] <unggnu> It seems that e2fsprogs has some serious issues, at least tune2fs.
[13:46] <mjg59> slangasek: No, suspend/resume doesn't use it at all
[16:33] <cody-somerville> If there any archive admins around, please push xubuntu-default-settings through please :)
[16:43] <highvoltage> PPC isn't supported anymore, right?
[16:43] <jdong> officially, no
[16:55] <highvoltage> jdong: I asked in #ubuntu-bugs too, but timing isn't too good, what should happen with a bug like this: https://launchpad.net/bugs/44265
[16:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44265 in usplash "dapper flight 7 PPC fails to install (more infos)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:55] <highvoltage> jdong: should it be closed?
[16:56] <jdong> highvoltage: I'm not sure, I wouldn't close it
[16:56] <highvoltage> ok
[17:46] <cody-somerville> fabbione, ping
[18:04] <sivang> hi all
[18:05] <sivang> does anybody know how to pass parallel build instructions through DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS or some other way that will not require patching each package rules file?
[18:05]  * sivang apologizes in advance for the off topicness
[18:06] <sivang> hey sabdfl , how's it going ?
[18:06] <emgent> heya people
[18:06] <sabdfl> hey sivang, good thanks
[18:06] <sabdfl> am on holiday
[18:07] <sabdfl> just wrapped a week boarding in wyoming
[18:07] <sabdfl> now off to british columbia
[18:07] <sabdfl> you?
[18:09] <highvoltage> hey there sabdfl and sivang
[18:10] <cody-somerville> Can a core-dev complete this merge for me? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-devel/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.hardy/+merge/163 - thanks :)
[18:10] <sivang> sabdfl: cool
[18:13] <sabdfl> hey highvoltage
[18:13] <sabdfl> cheers all
[18:13] <highvoltage> cheers, have lots of fun!
[18:33] <calc> wow brasero is either really slow on images or my system is broken somehow
[18:34] <calc> it took ~ 15m for it to checksum the image it was going to burn
[18:35] <calc> hmm then it failed to actually start the burn :\
[18:43]  * calc wonders why his burns are taking so long
[18:43] <calc> 20x dvd burner burning 16x dvds it taking ~ 17m to burn a disc
[18:46] <Nafallo> ehrm
[18:46] <Nafallo> their is more to the system then the actual burner :-)
[18:49] <Sjimmie> exactly, add the System Monitor to a panel with cpu and disk inthere and then burn again and watch ur load
[18:59]  * lamont wonders if he should be concerned that the version of openvpn in hardy is currently ~rc7...
[19:28] <superm1_> asac, unfortunately that ath_pci situation with NM 0.6.6 just got worse for me.  In cleaning up ~ a little bit, I accidentally wiped my stored networks.  Now I can't even get NM to associate period with this AP (copying and pasting the key from openwrt's nvram output)
[19:44] <slangasek> mjg59: bah; why doesn't it? :)
[19:47] <mjg59> slangasek: Because we use pm-utils instead, and have done for months
[19:53] <slangasek> mjg59: in all cases?  would it be better to pull the suspend/resume code out of acpi-support?
[19:54] <mjg59> slangasek: Yes
[19:54] <slangasek> ok
[19:55] <mjg59> slangasek: The problem is that they're in /etc, so conffiles
[19:55] <slangasek> right
[19:56] <superm1_> still can be removed via a postinst for a new version of acpi-support though, can it not?
[19:56] <slangasek> yes; it's an annoying process though
[19:57] <slangasek> you have to get md5sums for each of the conffiles you want to remove, and only remove those that match
[19:58] <superm1_> ah that would be rather tedious
[20:13] <wasabi> so this new cups admin thing almost works.... except it won't accept my password to change any settings.
[20:14] <cody-somerville> wasabi, You probably have to add your user to the lpadmin group
[20:14] <wasabi> seems so.
[20:14] <wasabi> error message sucks.
[20:45] <asac> superm1_: ok. i think ath_pci hacks are still required then. i'll prepare a test package
[20:46] <superm1_> asac, okay sounds good.  i'm online from another laptop, so i'll be glad to test any debs that you prepare
[21:07] <superm1_> asac, an additional comment: I came across bug 111068, which mentioned using 'iwpriv ath0 mode 3'.  I'm assuming something similar is listed in your ath_pci hacks when connecting to a 'g' network.  that makes things work again.
[21:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111068 in network-manager "A bug between Atheros Communications AR5212 802.11abg nic and  Ubuntus network applet" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111068
[21:10] <asac> superm1_: i don't think we have such a hack... but not sure right now
[21:11] <superm1_> asac, okay.  well i'll test whatever it is that you have in there once you've got it ready
[21:42] <cody-somerville> superm1_, Would you be willing to regenerate and upload xubuntu-meta for me please? :)
[21:43] <superm1_> cody-somerville, sure
[21:43] <cody-somerville> superm1_, thanks :)
[21:43] <superm1_> cody-somerville, wasn't slangasek doing that the other day though?
[21:43] <cody-somerville> superm1_, It needs to be done again
[21:44] <superm1_> cody-somerville, ah okay.
[21:44] <cody-somerville> Thanks :)
[21:44] <emgent> goalllllllll
[21:44] <emgent> IAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQUINTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
[21:44] <emgent> ops
[21:44] <emgent> wrong room.
[21:44]  * emgent dude
[22:11] <superm1_> cody-somerville, it's uploaded, but likely will need a release manager to take it out of the queue
[22:16] <slangasek> cody-somerville: does this round get the CD size down where it needs to be? :)
[22:20] <Stroganoff> will there be no more low memory mode in hardy?
[22:21] <slangasek> cody-somerville, superm1_: accepted, but dropping example-content is not going to be enough on its own to get the hardy alternate i386 CD size down below the limit...
[23:10] <xsakalik> Doesn't someone have experience with plugin architectures? -> Is it reasonable to put plugins into separate process (instead of threading) to ensure stability?
[23:10] <wasabi> Depends what you want those plugins to do.
[23:11] <wasabi> Look at dbus.
[23:12] <xsakalik> wasabi I've looked, but i'd rather use sockets as IPC. I was just thinking if that approach isn't totally ridiculous. Don't you know any project that utilizes processes?
[23:13] <wasabi> No. I mean look at dbus itself.
[23:13] <wasabi> dbus services themselves are your hypothetical 'plugin system'
[23:14] <xsakalik> wasabi, can you elaborate it? (little more)
[23:14] <wasabi> And I suspect you should just use a better language if you're having crashes in one plugin crash another.
[23:14] <wasabi> dbus loads processes.
[23:14] <wasabi> On demand.
[23:14] <wasabi> Basically exactly like what you are talking about.
[23:14] <wasabi> also this is a bit offtopic for this #
[23:15] <xsakalik> Sorry, what channel should I go to?
[23:15] <wasabi> Got me.
[23:15] <Stroganoff> #c
[23:16] <xsakalik> ok, I'll try it there, thx
[23:18] <LaserJock> maybe that should be our new default
[23:19] <LaserJock> "go to ##c"
[23:20] <iwkse> hi all, i was speaking last day about the initramfs bug on booting from usb-cdrom
[23:20] <iwkse> there's anyone here to speak?
[23:28] <Seveas> iwkse, bugreports should go to launchpad
[23:28] <Seveas> !bugs | iwkse
[23:28] <ubotu> iwkse: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[23:41] <iwkse> Seveas: thanks, i'm trying to check if it's duplicated


[00:31] <epikvision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1035994
[00:31] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1035994 in lightdm "Can't restart after switch and suspend user." [Undecided,New]
[01:06] <Logan_> Anyone from Bug Control around?
[01:06] <Logan_> I'd like to see if https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/953891 can be made public - it's a crash that I just experienced, and apport directed me to this (private) bug
[01:06] <ubot2> Logan_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0xa2d980c> bug 953891 not found
[01:07] <Logan_> assuming CoreDump.gz, etc. have been removed automatically by the retracer, I don't see why it couldn't be made public
[02:22] <LordOfTime> ugh, i just missed Logan  XD
[04:30] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[13:09] <green7> Someone please mark the importance of bug #1036169 as Wishlist.
[13:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1036169 in variety "It should automatically detect the DE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1036169
[13:17] <pedro_> green7: its an upstream project, so only the admins of that projects can do that
[13:18] <green7> okay
[13:18] <pedro_> we only have access to the ones in 'Ubuntu'
[13:18] <pedro_> hello hggdh  roadmr
[13:19] <roadmr> pedro_: hello good morning!
[13:19] <hggdh> hey pedro_ good morning
[13:23]  * smartboyhw waves at pedro_, green7. roadmt and hggdh
[13:23] <hggdh> hi smartboyhw
[13:23] <green7> hello smartboyhw
[13:29] <green7> can someone help me in fixing bug #923932.
[13:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 923932 in libreoffice "LibreOffice icons classic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923932
[13:43] <green7> can someone help me in fixing the bug #923932.
[13:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 923932 in libreoffice "LibreOffice icons classic" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923932
[15:12] <pedro_> hey smartboyhw
[16:45] <green7> which mailing list should I use to ask for help during fixing a bug?
[16:50] <micahg> green7: what type of help, most of that is done on IRC
[16:51] <green7> I'm fixing my first bug, so I need some help. Bug #923932.
[16:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 923932 in libreoffice "LibreOffice icons classic" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923932
[16:56] <micahg> green7: libreoffice isn't a good starting place for a first fix as the package is more complex than most, but #ubuntu-desktop would be the place and sweetshark would be the one to talk to, also, we usually don't do one-off uploads of libreoffice due to its size and regular churn
[16:56] <green7> okay thanks
[16:59] <micahg> green7: FWIW, that sounds like an upstream issue, not something we'd fix in the distro directly, but sweetshark would be the person to talk to since he's upstream as well
[16:59] <green7> yep, alright