[18:38] <sadmac_> Keybuk: we may have some patches for you soon so that nih can detect rpm tempfiles as well as dpkg files


[02:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:46] <blockiv> Hello, I'm really really hoping to get some help figuring out why I'm unable to get my computer to recognize my nvidia gpu. I'm on 20.04, so figured I should be asking here rather than #ubuntu
[02:46] <blockiv> Though, I haven't been able to get it to work on the current release either.
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> whats your chipset blockiv
[02:48] <blockiv> I'm using an xps 15 9570. With hybrid i7 and a 1050ti
[02:48] <blockiv> lotuspsychje: The nvidia module seems to be in use, but `nvidia-smi` returns "no devices were found"
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video plz
[02:49] <blockiv> lotuspsychje: yep one sec.
[02:50] <blockiv> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NHqJNQKv6f/
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> hm thats pretty weird, driver shows loaded blockiv
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: can you try from software&sources tab additional drivers to see wich driver is active?
[02:52] <blockiv> lotuspsychje: nvidia-driver-440
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> sounds good
[02:52] <Thanos> maybe theres just an error in reporting and not in utilization
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: you boot uefi or legacy?
[02:52] <blockiv> and yeah, I really have no clue what's causing it. And uefi lotuspsychje
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: pastebin your dmesg plz?
[02:53] <blockiv> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tzpDN4gkFF/
[02:53] <blockiv> I'm debating installing windows quick to see if it's a hardware problem. I
[02:54] <blockiv> I'm on a pretty new ubuntu install so wouldn't really lose anything data wise
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: i see a few weird NVRM and cpu temps issues in your dmesg
[02:58] <blockiv> What is nvrm? lotuspsychje
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> its related to your graphics
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: did you change things in bios recently?
[02:59] <blockiv> lotuspsychje: I reset the bios to factory defaults before installing ubuntu. Then changed RAID to AHCI, disabled secure boot, and disabled TPM
[03:00] <blockiv> And set fastboot to "Thourough rather than minimal"
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: lets try to switch an nvidia driver as a test
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: try a version lower
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> and lets see what your system does
[03:01] <blockiv> Alright. 435 or 390?
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> if you are not able to enter back your system due a black screen, use this method:
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: lets try 435
[03:02] <blockiv> Okay will do. Were the errors you were talking about the RM_init related lines in dmesg?
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> [ 9408.670356] NVRM: GPU 0000:01:00.0: rm_init_adapter failed, device minor number 0
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> [ 9444.369429] mce: CPU9: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 30626)
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> stuff like this
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> we need to find out if its the driver failing, or something bios or kernel related
[03:05] <blockiv> Okay, if it nothing seems to change. I'll probably install windows 10 quick to make sure the gpu still even works. I haven't been able to get it working in linux since I had an arch install on some Linux 4.X kernel
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: no need, we can try this from ubuntu aswell
[03:06] <Bashing-om> blockiv: lotuspsychje : /var/log/gpu-manager.log might provide some hints.
[03:06] <blockiv> great. that's always preferred lol
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: if you like before driver switch you can provide this log for Bashing-om
[03:07] <blockiv> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7wv3xpvW4K/
[03:08] <Bashing-om> blockiv: reading.
[03:09] <Bashing-om> blockiv: lotuspsychje : Yukkie: "Is nvidia kernel module available? no". lemme finish reading.
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: did you also update system to latest?
[03:10] <blockiv> yeah, no updates are available after an apt update
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> ok great
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> if Bashing-om has no other ideas, i would advice driver switch as a test
[03:11] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: blockiv - looking for what modules are missing. lets start with '
[03:12] <Bashing-om> dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[03:13] <blockiv> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RKvttcmZzJ/
[03:17] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Whike the 440 version driver is correct: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/159360/en-us, as it is partially installed lets try and purge/reinstall - ok ?
[03:18] <blockiv> Bashing-om: alright. Mind letting me know what to run? Been a while since I was using an apt system
[03:18] <Bashing-om> blockiv: we also want to make sure that "secure boot" in bios is disabled when we re-install !
[03:18] <nonix4> ... when running test installation with / on usb, is there much you can do once usb timeouts? As in to recover you'd neet to remount some tmpfs/squashfs as / for a while?
[03:19] <Bashing-om> blockiv: sure - run ' sudo apt --purge nvidia*' make sure that the nvidia file(s) in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d have been removed.
[03:21] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Also make sure here that 'dkms' is functional ' dkms status '. as we do need that package for Nvidia.
[03:22] <blockiv> Bashing-om: hm `sudo apt remove --purge nvidia*` returns "Unable to loacate package nvidia*"
[03:22] <blockiv> Maybe cause I just switched from 440 to 435 in the software&updates app?
[03:23] <blockiv> And as of right now, `dkms status` returns "nvidia, 435.21: added"
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> lets try a reboot first, as 435 has been switched?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> blockiv: well we can look. what shows ' lsmod | grep nvidia ; dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[03:25] <blockiv> Sure. I'll also double check to make sure secure boot is off. I'm on my machine rn so I'll have to disconnect, but I'll send the output of those first Bashing-om lotuspsychje
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> sure thing
[03:26] <blockiv> lsmod | grep nvidia : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zmYWBhMXzz/
[03:27] <blockiv> dpkg -l | grep nvidia : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mcg9Nc4yX7/
[03:28] <blockiv> Okay, I'll reconnect in a few mins
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> cross your fingers Bashing-om
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> interesting one
[03:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Looks to me now should workie.
[03:32] <blockiv> Bashing-om: lotuspsychje: Okay, secure boot is indeed disabled
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> blockiv: check nvidia-smi again now?
[03:33] <blockiv> lotuspsychje: just did. new output, but still failing. It says it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Maker sure the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[03:34] <Bashing-om> blockiv: /var/log/gpu-manager.log shows clean now ?
[03:34] <blockiv> Also, lspci -k now doesn't show the line " Kernel driver in use: nvidia"
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> so 2 drivers failing, sounds like a bios or kernel thing to me
[03:36] <blockiv> Here is gpu-manager.log : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9T8QFHJJYR/
[03:36] <Bashing-om> reading
[03:37] <Bashing-om> blockiv: "Is nvidia loaded? no" - !!
[03:38] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Let's try again ' sudo apt remove --purge nvidia-* ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' with secure boot still disbaled.
[03:38] <blockiv> alright
[03:39] <blockiv> for some reason the wildcard doesn't seem to be working.
[03:40] <blockiv> worked with apt-get
[03:41] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Humm --- maybe try as sudo apt remove --purge "nvidia-*" . have the shell expand the quotes. (1st time for everything)
[03:41] <Bashing-om> NM
[03:42] <blockiv> Just uninstalled. Should I remove 10-nvidia.conf and 11-nvidia-prime.conf before moving forward?
[03:42] <Bashing-om> ^^ makes me wonder what has changed in apt in the 20.04 release ??
[03:43] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Yeah remove them - the new install will re-create, the old may be corrupt.
[03:46] <blockiv> Bashing-om: Okay, deleted them and ran apt autoremove and ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[03:46] <Bashing-om> blockiv: reboot and let's see the effect :D
[03:46] <blockiv> The ubuntu-drivers autoinstall said "dkms: WARNING: Linux headers are missing"
[03:47] <blockiv> Any importance you think?
[03:47] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Ouch Yes ! .. show ' dpkg -l | grep linux- '.
[03:48] <blockiv> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2TybRPgTZF/
[03:48] <blockiv> This is the exact line "/etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms:
[03:48] <blockiv> dkms: WARNING: Linux headers are missing, which may explain the above failures.
[03:48] <blockiv>       please install the linux-headers-5.4.0-24-lowlatency package to fix this.
[03:52] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Yup ^^ make it so :D
[03:55] <blockiv> Bashing-om: Okay, installed that, re-ran the steps to remove nvidia and reinstall. This time do dkms warnings. I'll give it a reboot.
[03:55] <blockiv> *no dkms
[03:57] <Bashing-om> blockiv: A check ' sudp apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C ' .
[03:57] <Bashing-om> sudo*
[03:57] <blockiv> No output on either Bashing-om
[03:57] <blockiv> Well, apt -f install said nothing to be done
[03:57] <Bashing-om> great! .. reboot time :D
[03:58] <blockiv> Cool, thanks.
[04:05] <blockiv> Lol Bashing-om can't seem to boot now. Not even to grub :/
[04:06] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Now that makes no sense - low-latency kernel is this a studio install ?
[04:06] <blockiv> No, I just had the default 20.04 lts ISO.
[04:07] <blockiv> I have a spare 19.04 iso I can use to either just install that or chroot in to maybe regenerate grub
[04:08] <blockiv> I'll check the boot entry first I guess
[04:09] <blockiv> Bashing-om: is /EFI/Ubuntu/shimx64.efi the correct path for my boot entry?
[04:10] <Bashing-om> blockiv: The only thing I know that uses the low-latency kernel is ubuntu-studio. Might check what you think you installed.
[04:11] <Bashing-om> blockiv: /EFI/Ubuntu/shimx64.efi could be correct - different manufactures do things different - there is no EFI standard.
[04:13] <blockiv> Okay. Maybe I'll just reinstall and make sure I use the right iso, even tho I'm 95% sure it was a standard Ubuntu 20.04 iso. Seems like my only option now
[04:16] <blockiv> I'll do an offline install, then try installing Nvidia drivers from ubuntu-drivers
[04:17] <Bashing-om> blockiv: At this point - and time wise - a re-install will be much faster and surer.
[04:18] <blockiv> Yeah, I didn't have any personal data anyways. Either way, I really appreciate the help you've given me so far, Bashing-om lotuspsychje
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> 20.04 should have all the nvidia drivers on the install media now
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> i suspect a deeper issue here
[04:19] <Bashing-om> vlBoot directory I see /boot/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi as most common.
[04:43] <blockiv> Two weird things to at least note. Not sure about their impacts. When I first installed Ubuntu 20.04, everything went fine, and it was an offline install. I installed it again later, I forget the reason why, but towards the end of the install, it stopped with an error while upgrading new packages, since it was an online install. It then took me to a bug report where it was already documented, talking about there being
[04:43] <blockiv> an issue with online installs on Nvidia systems. I'd be glad to test it again, but it seems it's already a documented issue
[04:44] <blockiv> The install didn't complete, but it did at least get far enough where there was something to boot into
[05:41] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Boots a functional system ?
[05:44] <blockiv> Yeah
[05:51] <Bashing-om> blockiv: Good deal :) .. Our work here is done ?
[05:56] <blockiv> Nvidia-smi still isn't working, but im gonna stay were I'm at for now, gotta get some sleep soon
[05:56] <blockiv> Where*
[06:00] <Bashing-om> blockiv: same - sleep calleth :D ,, we can pick this up later :D
[06:21] <wingedrhino> Does the 20.04 Ubuntu come with NetworkManager support for WireGuard? I only see OpenVPN and Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol when I go to Network > Settings.
[06:23] <wingedrhino> Also, if I install one of the nightlies on a laptop, can I assume that it'll be somewhat stable in a few days?
[06:23] <housecat> dunno about the first question. the answer to the second question is yes:
[06:23] <housecat> ubottu: final
[06:25] <housecat> according to google, wireguard is supported in networkmanager >= 1.16, which is available in disco onwards
[06:25] <housecat> so if it's not showing up, either that info's wrong or there's a missing UI bit
[06:27] <wingedrhino> I'm going to google for images on how people have configured wireguard in the UI then. If it's been around since Disco, there's little chance the UI doesn't already have this!
[06:40] <wingedrhino> Aah from the looks of it the support for WireGuard is only present in NetworkManager itself. But not in any of the UIs - including nm-cli.
[06:40] <housecat> oh. well that's not very helpful :(
[06:41] <housecat> kinda hoping this sort of thing improves now that wireguard is in-kernel and 1.0
[07:23] <wingedrhino> From the looks of it, KDE has GUIs for WireGuard already.
[10:56] <TheSilentLink> Hi anyone running Ubuntu 20.04 on the raspberry pi 4? For me none of the USB ports work making you unable to login in
[10:57] <Jordan_U> TheSilentLink: See this thread: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=270854&p=1644427 the work around seems to be limit yourself to only being able to use 3 of your 4 GiB of RAM, in exchange for working USB.
[11:00] <Jordan_U> TheSilentLink: It's hard for me to tell, but the fixed package may already have been released. So if you use the work around, then "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" you might be able to remove the work around and reboot to a system with 4 usable GiB of RAM *and* working USB :)
[11:05] <TheSilentLink> Jordan_U: thanks. Also is rpi-eeprom-update available so we can update the eeprom without having to use raspbian?
[11:08] <Jordan_U> TheSilentLink: https://packages.ubuntu.com/ doesn't show a package by that name.
[11:09] <TheSilentLink> Oh ok also is cloud init required?
[13:27] <tomreyn> probably not
[16:15] <amitprakash> Why is ubuntu recognizing only 8 out of 16G ram? lshw outcome https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sntz8hhfYh/ | free -m -> Mem:           7886        2024        4874         158         987        5420 | dmesg https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vDShNDB4qZ/
[16:16] <amitprakash> This is specific to Ubuntu (gentoo/windows work fine)
[17:09] <mfilipe[m]> i'm using terminal with 20.04 and i wanna change the tab title but gnome-terminal doesn't show this option up. when i use fedora 32, it shows (same gnome-terminal version 3.36). do you guys know what is wrong?
[17:10] <ChmEarl> whew, cat /etc/issue.net  -> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[17:11] <oerheks>  gnome-terminal --tab -e top -t "this is my funky tab title"
[17:12] <mfilipe[m]> oerheks: thanks is odd because this option exists in gnome-terminal but somehow ubuntu removes it
[17:12] <mfilipe[m]> that's*
[17:12] <oerheks> yes, it was removed in 3.12 something IIRC
[17:15] <mfilipe[m]> this reason makes the situation more strange... once fedora offers a vanilla version of gnome, so ubuntu hasn't this option because the ubuntu devs removed it?
[17:16] <mfilipe[m]> i use tmux-cssh a lot, if i maintain the dynamic title it is going to show strange titles
[17:44] <MikeRL> Anyone here have a recent enough Yubikey? I've just started tinkering with the 5 I just bought. Documentation is vague about pam config file locations, and I don't want to insert the text into the wrong one.
[17:44] <MikeRL> Following this: https://developers.yubico.com/yubico-pam/
[17:45] <MikeRL> And also this: https://support.yubico.com/support/solutions/articles/15000011356-ubuntu-linux-login-guide-u2f
[17:47] <oerheks> add the ppa ppa:yubico/stable and install  libpam-yubico yubikey-manager ? https://launchpad.net/~yubico/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[17:48] <oerheks> it has Focal packages already
[17:49] <MikeRL> Where I'm stuck at on the first URL is finding the right file in /etc/pam.d/ (for the first box under configuration) and I also don't know where PAM modules are stored on 20.04.
[17:49] <MikeRL> Already have PPA, thanks though.
[17:50] <MikeRL> For the second URL, I'm stuck where it says to add " authfile=/etc/Yubico/u2f_keys " to the PAM file's config. I don't know where the pam file is, since there appears to be a folder with pam files in /etc/pam.d/
[17:51] <MikeRL> It does have focal packages. But I only saw one.
[17:52] <MikeRL> Most tools work with eoan or focal, but some do not, such as the configuration GUI.
[17:53] <MikeRL> It uses Qt4 which is gone from 20.04 default repos.
[17:53] <MikeRL> And it must be built from source for Linux.
[17:54] <MikeRL> But I'm not concerned about the GUI config tool as much as those two URLs and relevant questions. I can survive without the GUI.
[18:29] <amitprakash> resovled the ram issue, had to reseat
[18:29] <amitprakash> Journal is spammed w/ Apr 19 23:44:38 harran gnome-shell[1341]: failed to bind to /tmp/.X11-unix/X3684: No such file or directory
[18:29] <amitprakash> What gives?
[18:31] <Guma> Hello. I been running 20.04 with latest updates in vbox (6.1.6 r137129) with 3D acceleration enabled. Everything works pretty smooth except when I click on "Show Applications) in lower left correct of my screen then is draws very slow
[18:33] <Guma> See slow partial redraws. But everything finishes correct.
[18:35] <MikeRL> Think I figured it out by taking an educated guess. I have a backup if everything goes south.
[18:40] <MikeRL> Ugh. Still not working.
[18:41] <MikeRL> Luckily I saved the terminal window and edited it with sudo active. I simply removed the line. But problems persist.
[19:10] <tomreyn> Guma: that's most likely not an ubuntu issue, but one with (imperfect by design) shared graphics acceleration of Desktop virtualization.
[19:32] <theshagg> Should I expect weird issues with AMD cpu/gpus in 20.04 beta?
[19:33] <theshagg> or am I just unlucky? :P
[19:35] <tomreyn> theshagg: can you explain "weird issues"? were you running other linux versions previously? if so, did they occur there, too, or not? which hardware exactly?
[19:35] <theshagg> On shutdown I get soft lockups
[19:35] <tomreyn> are those logged?
[19:36] <theshagg> I think not
[19:36] <tomreyn> also, 2 more questions to answer ;)
[19:36] <theshagg> It actually might all be related to the amdgpu driver
[19:37] <theshagg> I filed a bug - there is a known issue in the kernel that is fixed in a newer kernel
[19:37] <tomreyn> do you think sharing the bug id might improve your support experience here?
[19:37] <theshagg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1873547
[19:38] <theshagg> That one links to a thread
[19:38] <tomreyn> so you have those powerplay errors on your logs?
[19:39] <theshagg> when I connect more than 1 monitor, yes
[19:39] <theshagg>  Supposedly this is fixed in  5.6-rc2
[19:39] <tomreyn> does the system shutdown fine with just one mointor connected then?
[19:39] <theshagg> And I get corresponding graphics lockup for many seconds after login, and horrid graphics lockups after the monitor goes to sleep and wakes back up
[19:40] <theshagg> Right now I am trying to figure out my system shutdown issues. I am having some kind of shutdown lockup but it was being hidden by the "quiet splash"
[19:40] <theshagg> I'm currently trying to reproduce that error with "quite splash" disabled
[19:40] <theshagg> quiet
[19:42] <theshagg> I'm not seeing any shutdown lockups with "systemctl set-default multi-user.target"
[19:43] <theshagg> trying graphical.target with quiet splash disabled
[19:46] <tomreyn> is this board really new? i can't seem to convince the (very slow) MSI website to display any downloads for thie board, including manuals
[19:46] <theshagg> OK so I got it to hang with a softlockup on one of the CPUs
[19:47] <tomreyn> so it's a multi-cpu system?
[19:47] <theshagg> top of the stack trace is amdgpu_cgs_read_register+0x14/0x20 [amdgpu]
[19:47] <theshagg> Yes this is an AMD 2700x
[19:47] <theshagg> well, multi-core, single socket
[19:48] <theshagg> basically it's the same is this other bug I reported:
[19:48] <theshagg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1873548
[19:49] <woenx> Hi
[19:49] <woenx> One question. If i download and install the ubuntu 20.04 beta today, and I keep it updated, will it be the same thing as having the final version once it releases?
[19:50] <theshagg> I have been told yes, you will want to do an apt-get upgrade
[19:50] <theshagg> I'm not sure if you will get it during the point release, (months later), or immediately
[19:50] <woenx> Ok, but if I do that, it will be the same, right?
[19:50] <woenx> Ok
[19:50] <theshagg> I am a novice, but I'm in the same shoes as you
[19:51] <theshagg> I think you will have all of the same packages, etc.
[19:51] <CarlFK> woenx:   there is no simple answer.   if you are worried about it, you should wait.  If you are up for helping, then do it.  which might mean you are still helping after it is released.
[19:54] <tomreyn> theshagg: MSI.com just keeps returning "504 Gateway Time-out" messages to me, so i can't check whether you bios is current. if it isn't, i recommend upgrading it first of all.
[20:06] <theshagg> tomreyn - its up to date
[20:06] <theshagg> reasonably
[20:07] <theshagg> i had to update it to get virtualization / gpu passthrough working
[20:11] <theshagg> maybe ill try ubuntu 19 as a baseline
[20:12] <tomreyn> you mean ubuntu 19.10 ? that's what i'd try, yes.
[20:13] <tomreyn> your bios version is from november last year, but it seems there is nothing newer
[20:13] <tomreyn> which surprises me for an x470
[20:14] <tomreyn> it's hard to check, though https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/g49wmo/support_site_broken/
[20:14] <theshagg> Yeah I updated it within the last month
[20:14] <theshagg> FWIW I had similar issues on fedora
[20:15] <theshagg> But I think the powerplay bug needs to get fixed
[20:15] <theshagg> before the official release
[20:16] <tomreyn> if the bug is upstream then that's not too likely to happen
[20:17] <tomreyn> there have been powerplay bugs with some of the newer GPUs for some months, though
[20:20] <theshagg> I don't know how ubuntu can have an LTS that isn't compatible with multiple monitors on AMD gpus
[20:22] <tomreyn> i'm not yet sure this is correct as a general statement. also, there'll be point releases, HWE kernels etc.
[21:09] <theshagg> tomreyn the bug is supposedly fixed in 5.6-rc2
[21:09] <theshagg> So I assume the fix would just need to be backported?
[21:12] <lestac> o/ when 20.04 is released, we need to format or can update from current version? (18.04 in that case)
[21:14] <oerheks> lestac, prepare a fresh usb with the iso, then upgrade, but the upgrade path will be available when 20.04.1 is out
[21:15] <lestac> well! u rock
[21:15] <Synx_hm> Anybody experiencing issues installing vagrant on 20.04. Ive got virtualbox installed and vagrant installed via apt and I cannot vagrant-up
[21:15] <oerheks> i just upgraded a laptop to 20.04 with the -d option
[21:15] <oerheks> no problemo
[21:16] <Synx_hm> its erroring with /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock no such file or directory
[21:23] <theshagg> oerheks does it have AMD graphics?
[21:24] <oerheks> no, nvidia
[21:51] <howarth> Has anyone noticed that single user or rescue mode doesn't seem to work under the nvidia drivers?
[21:52] <howarth> On my machine, for both nvidia 340 and 440, I see the loading ramdisk line but it never goes past that
[21:54] <mfilipe[m]> how do i use screenshot on the fly with gnome 3.36?
[22:18] <tomreyn> theshagg: maybe bring it up in #ubuntu-kernel if you are convinced it affects a wide range of hardware and configurations. but i bet it's way too late for 20.04.0
[22:19] <tomreyn> kernel patching can take place any time after release, though.
[22:44] <tomreyn> theshagg: i don't know how narvi and your two monitors will work without it, but you could try booting with kernel command line parameter amdgpu.powerplay=0


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[01:05] <nifan> b'dia
[04:13] <AlexLatchford> @schedule London
[04:13] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 01 May 16:00: Kernel Team | 01 May 19:00: Mozilla Team | 02 May 13:00: Edubuntu | 02 May 21:00: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 21:00: Technical Board
[08:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm here
[08:16] <robitaille> and it sounds like you are the only one... :)
[08:16] <asac> oh sorry
[08:16] <asac> i am here now as well
[08:16] <asac> had a phone call and time was running
[08:17] <hjmf> I'm here but busy at this moment :(
[08:17] <asac> gnomefreak: AlexLatchford hjmf here?
[08:17] <AlexLatchford> Howdy
[08:17] <gnomefreak> ok sorry im late
[08:18] <AlexLatchford> Hmm, not many items on the agenda..
[08:18] <AlexLatchford> please feel free to add some asap
[08:18] <asac> well we have an agenda
[08:18] <gnomefreak> does someone want to chair so i can upload tbird?
[08:19] <AlexLatchford> Freddy's turn?
[08:19] <AlexLatchford> or do you want me to do it?
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> it is my turn
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[08:19] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll do it
[08:19] <gnomefreak> either or. if i do it we will be moving slow
[08:19] <AlexLatchford> :) sure
[08:19] <asac> go ahead Admiral_Chicago
[08:20] <hjmf> now I'm really here too :)
[08:23] <AlexLatchford> Admiral_Chicago: we starting?
[08:24] <AlexLatchford> meh..
[08:24] <hjmf> ...
[08:25] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: start with GUI consistency?
[08:25] <AlexLatchford> Yeah guess so
[08:25] <AlexLatchford> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/42263
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 42263 in firefox "Toolbar display should be "Icons and text" for consistency" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[08:25] <hjmf> Admiral_Chicago has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[08:26] <AlexLatchford> Dunno if this is a real decision to make or not, but this was brought up that the GUI across the entire desktop is Icon + Wording..
[08:26] <AlexLatchford> Firefox is one of very few applications that does not follow this pattern..
[08:26] <gnomefreak> im personally happy with the way it is. i do believe you can set it to use both
[08:26] <AlexLatchford> Yes, this is more the decision to turn it on by default to icons + text
[08:27] <gnomefreak> adding text will make window show less (maybe only a little bit) but still shortens the page
[08:27] <AlexLatchford> (You can set this by right clicking on the toolbar and hitting customise.. )
[08:27] <hjmf> IMHO icons are quite clear and I agree with gnomefreak
[08:27] <AlexLatchford> asac: opinion?
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry I got disconnected
[08:28] <gnomefreak> asac: what do you think?
[08:28] <gnomefreak> you hover over icons gives you text
[08:28] <gnomefreak> we saw
[08:28] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:28] <AlexLatchford> I agree that the icons are very clear, but for consistencies sake, would it be better to use text also, I mean users can remove it if they wish
[08:28] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: we started with GUi
[08:28] <AlexLatchford> Admiral_Chicago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/42263
[08:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 42263 in firefox "Toolbar display should be "Icons and text" for consistency" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[08:30] <gnomefreak> lets get everyone else to pull text out of apps J/K
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> how is it built in XP?
[08:30] <Admiral_Chicago> or Mac
[08:31] <AlexLatchford> I believe without is default for firefox across the versions
[08:31] <AlexLatchford> but the rest of Ubuntu uses Icons + Text
[08:31] <Admiral_Chicago> iirc, that is the case as well
[08:31] <hjmf> maybe because ff ends up with 4 horizontal bars
[08:32] <hjmf> menu, icons, markers, tags ...
[08:32] <hjmf> *tabs
[08:32] <AlexLatchford> hjmf: hmm, yes when you say that I see it
[08:32] <gnomefreak> im not seeing a good reason to change it yet. the reason being given is because everyone else does it
[08:32] <AlexLatchford> well yes, thats the issue, I personally would change it back if text was there..
[08:33] <gnomefreak> im not saying its a bad idea at all
[08:33] <hjmf> yes, no big deal I would change it back too
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> i think with the menu bar, the nav bar and the bookmarks folders, another row of text is intentionally left out
[08:33] <gnomefreak> what other browsers in ubuntu have text and icons?
[08:33] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: not sure..
[08:34] <gnomefreak> epiphany does and iceape does atm
[08:34] <gnomefreak> i dont have others to test right now
[08:34] <AlexLatchford> me neither
[08:35] <hjmf> opera seg fault for me right now :0
[08:35] <AlexLatchford> hmm.. well Thunderbird has Icons + Text
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> Konqui does not iirc
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> let me check
[08:35] <AlexLatchford> is asac about?
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> not yet
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i think KDE4 will implement that
[08:35] <AlexLatchford> KDE4 will have icons + text?
[08:36] <gnomefreak> i dont have opera installed since my hd crashed
[08:36] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: i think so yes
[08:36] <AlexLatchford> hmm.. okay
[08:36] <AlexLatchford> Go for a vote on this?
[08:36] <hjmf> I had a version of mozilla and it doesnt
[08:36] <gnomefreak> -1
[08:36] <AlexLatchford> +1
[08:36] <hjmf> -1
[08:37] <AlexLatchford> (for desktop consistency reasons)
[08:37] <gnomefreak> how many people on that bug replied they want it?
[08:37] <AlexLatchford> good point..
[08:37] <ogra> how is hardcoding such a thing consistent ? make it read the default desktop settings and use what they define
[08:37] <gnomefreak> if its only 1 or 2 than no sense in it
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> what would +1/-1 mean?
[08:37] <hjmf> think on small screens 15' or lower
[08:38] <AlexLatchford> +1 for adding text.. -1 for leaving it off
[08:38] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: you have a very good point there
[08:38] <hjmf> its an *aditional* bar
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> -1
[08:38] <gnomefreak> we are here to please the masses not 3 people IMO
[08:38] <AlexLatchford> cool
[08:39] <AlexLatchford> Okay, I will close the report now then
[08:39] <AlexLatchford> with the decision..
[08:39] <gnomefreak> wait for asac on that
[08:39] <gnomefreak> he may have a point we are not seeing
[08:39] <hjmf> yes, lets wait till the meeting finishes
[08:40] <hjmf> if he is around which i believe
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> i suggest we move on and we can poll alex when he returns
[08:40] <AlexLatchford> okay.. I will draft the issue reply :P
[08:40] <AlexLatchford> okay
[08:40] <gnomefreak> btw repo is down atm
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> give me a sec
[08:40] <hjmf> k
[08:40] <gnomefreak> mv Packages.gz dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/
[08:40] <gnomefreak> oh shoot
[08:41] <gnomefreak> ignore that
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> next agenda item: Mozilla Testing Team by Alex.
[08:41] <AlexLatchford> okay
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: talking to your terminal again?
[08:41] <gnomefreak> yep :)
[08:41] <AlexLatchford> Well this was something we brought up last meeting..
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i do that too after a while, try to run commands in irssi
[08:41] <AlexLatchford> Getting a team of people who are contactable for testing specific issues
[08:42] <AlexLatchford> maybe via a mailing list or something
[08:42] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: im gonna ok this one. we have a few (10+) testing preview archive atm
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> oh crap, let me add something to the agenda. link in a sec
[08:42] <AlexLatchford> Think we should try to set up a mailing list, LP team to get it going a bit more formally
[08:42] <gnomefreak> the problem being and this i knew before hand. we are not getting the testing on what NEEDS to be tested
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i disagree with the ML and LP team however
[08:43] <AlexLatchford> Is the changelog listing ideas we discussed last meeting going anywhere?
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not sure there is enough people to be pushing for those things
[08:43] <gnomefreak> tbird2 and iceape are the packages i wanted tested more than anything because they are going into gutsy. ffox3 will not be in gutsy
[08:43] <AlexLatchford> agreed
[08:44] <AlexLatchford> the team will be formally tasked then to test packages that need testing.. say setting a 2 weekly testing agenda or something
[08:44] <AlexLatchford> so you can test specific issues intensely
[08:45] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: that i like more than just setting the team, I wouldn't care if you used the MT ML for that
[08:45] <gnomefreak> can we please defer this one more meeting?
[08:45] <hjmf> maybe a team and people from it reporting bugs in LP (for karma points) can be motivational for them
[08:45] <AlexLatchford> hjmf: yes, it can be an introduction into the team
[08:45] <asac> damn :)
[08:45] <Riddell> AlexLatchford: yes, kde 4 apps have icons+text
[08:45] <AlexLatchford> currently there are not many *easy* tasks for new people..
[08:45] <asac> that happens if you stare in wrong channel
[08:45] <Admiral_Chicago> crap, I realized I have to run to class in 5, maybe 10 minutes.
[08:46] <AlexLatchford> Riddell: ta :)
[08:46] <gnomefreak> asac: lol
[08:46] <hjmf> lol
[08:46] <gnomefreak> asac: +1 or -1 for icons and text?
[08:46] <AlexLatchford> heh
[08:46] <asac> ouch let me read it
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, AlexLatchford i'll have to cut in front of you, I hope that's okay
[08:46] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: you wish to defer the testing decision until the next meeting?
[08:46] <AlexLatchford> Admiral_Chicago: sure thing bud :)
[08:47] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: i would like to get with asac on this and come up with a way to do this nicely
[08:47] <asac> what is current consent on the text icon stuff?
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Okay, on to the last agenda item (sorry for the jumping) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings
[08:47] <gnomefreak> -1 for more clutter
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: -1 from me. (against text and icons)
[08:48] <AlexLatchford> 0 from me now, seeing the light of 15" monitior discussion
[08:48] <AlexLatchford> leaning towards -1
[08:48] <asac> so epiphany has text + icons by default? mine hasn't :)
[08:48] <gnomefreak> yes mine dies
[08:48] <gnomefreak> and i didnt change it
[08:48] <asac> i am -1 ... firefox should be the way its known to users of other OSes
[08:49] <AlexLatchford> okay settled
[08:49] <ogra> asac, epi uses gnomes default settings ...
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> okay we will come back to the discussion on testing team
[08:49] <gnomefreak> yay it works :)
[08:49] <asac> ogra: yes ... i was just not sure, because i changed it long ago i guess
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> I have to push this last agenda item before class, we started a bit later than I hoped
[08:49] <hjmf> -1 as stated above (hope not too late) :)
[08:50] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: ok whats the state?
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> We had decided earlier to create a Mozilla Council with david, alex, alex, john, hjmf and myself
[08:50] <gnomefreak> i would like to get all mozilla apps in testing repo before we have  ateam
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: we are hoping, sorry
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> hopping around*
[08:50] <asac> Yes, clue files, right?
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> so, we also decided to defer it from being active until after Feisty was out
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry, everyone look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: no, mozill council
[08:52] <asac> ah ok
[08:52] <asac> what do you suggest?
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> now that feisty is out, we should vote to activate the council officially
[08:52] <hjmf> ah ok I was lost ;)
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> so we would have a council which works actively in Mozilla and helps bring in new people
[08:53] <gnomefreak> bad part everyone here is on the council so is a vote needed?
[08:53] <hjmf> all the MT is the council right now
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: no, we said it wouldn't take effect until after feisty
[08:53] <gnomefreak> oh
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> hjmf: there are a few people on the LP page (iirc) that are not
[08:53] <gnomefreak> correct
[08:53] <hjmf> ok lets formally activated it
[08:54] <hjmf> *activate
[08:54] <gnomefreak> lol
[08:54] <asac> yeah
[08:54] <asac> done i think
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> yep, votes to active it?
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> +1
[08:54] <AlexLatchford> +1
[08:54] <gnomefreak> thats what im thinking (how do we do that)
[08:54] <AlexLatchford> what does activation entail?
[08:54] <gnomefreak> should we maybe bring it to CC?
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: david said there was no need
[08:54] <AlexLatchford> yeah he did
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> we would just fall under the CC
[08:55] <gnomefreak> ok  than its activated. what next :)
[08:55] <AlexLatchford> believe he asked Jono
[08:55] <hjmf> +1
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> progress of clue files...
[08:55] <AlexLatchford> (Testing Team is deferred until next meeting yes?)
[08:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Alex has worked on a lot on bughelper and we have a lot of progress
[08:56] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: yeah because im not sure how much ill be here in the next 2 weeks
[08:56] <gnomefreak> and ill forget with gutsy packages.
[08:56] <Admiral_Chicago> now that LP is out of beta, we can open up the mentoring to everyone
[08:56] <asac> i think we are in a good state from bughelper, though we still don't have split output of bughelper results .. .e.g. one page by task
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> So I think Alex, I can get to pumping out some good clue files
[08:57] <gnomefreak> if asac stays up long enough i will talk to him in #u-mt about a few things withit
[08:57] <hjmf> asac: right, actual page is a mess
[08:57] <asac> anyway ... we could start to populate clue files with prominent stack signatures
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> I have to run to class. someone please take over as chair
[08:57] <asac> so it starts to find dups for us
[08:57] <Admiral_Chicago> good luck guys
[08:58] <hjmf> cu
[08:58] <asac> maybe we can even write something to automatically generate stack signature clue snippets
[08:58] <asac> from MASTER bugs
[08:59] <asac> hjmf: since you work most on stack sigs, you think you can add new MASTER bug signatures to bughelper clues?
[08:59] <AlexLatchford> sounds like a good idea..
[08:59] <hjmf> yes I can, but first I still have to master bughelper docs :-P
[08:59] <AlexLatchford> how is the retrace backlog situation going?
[08:59] <asac> i think hjmf fixed it :)
[08:59] <asac> with amazing work
[09:00] <hjmf> :)
[09:00] <AlexLatchford> Good job bud :)
[09:00] <hjmf> thank you guys
[09:01] <asac> Karma: 6797
[09:01] <hjmf> the problem with bughelper finding dups is that first the bugs have to be retraced
[09:01] <asac> yes right
[09:01] <hjmf> and right now each retrace I do automatically searches for stack signatures so dups are easily founded w/o bughelper
[09:02] <asac> how do you search for duplicate stack signatures?
[09:02] <asac> just search field?
[09:02] <hjmf> as long as they are in summary
[09:02] <hjmf> [@xxxxx]
[09:02] <asac> yes ... soon apport will automatically add need-XXX-retrace tag on submission
[09:03] <asac> then we will have retraced results ... but in attachments
[09:03] <asac> thats when bughelper stuff might come handy
[09:03] <hjmf>  firefox -remote "openurl(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/${PACKAGE}/+bugs?field.searchtext=${STACK_SIGNATURE}&orderby=-datecreated,new-window)"
[09:03] <hjmf> asac: right
[09:03] <asac> what is stack signature for you? ... each single line?
[09:04] <asac> e.g. do you extract it automatically?
[09:04] <hjmf> =
[09:04] <hjmf>         eval "$(strip_stack $BUG_RETRACE | sed -n '/#4 / {s/#4 \+\(.[^ ] *\) .*/STACK_SIGNATURE="\1"/p;}; /#5 / {s/#5 \+\(.[^ ] *\) .*/STACK_SIGNATURE_1="\1"/p;q}')"
[09:04] <hjmf> its usually the #4 stack
[09:04] <hjmf> after the #3 <....>
[09:04] <hjmf> #3 <signal handler called>
[09:04] <asac> how many don't fit into that pattern?
[09:04] <hjmf> not too many
[09:05] <hjmf> and I look at them always
[09:05] <hjmf> as it is interactive
[09:05] <hjmf> :)
[09:05] <asac> hmm
[09:06] <hjmf> it is working with most of the reports and matches upstream searches too
[09:06] <hjmf> those ones are done by hand though
[09:07] <asac> how do you do upstream searches?
[09:07] <asac> ... or what do you mean by "matches upstream searches too" ?
[09:07] <hjmf> http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/search/start.jsp
[09:07] <hjmf> but by hand
[09:07] <hjmf> http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/reports/firefox/
[09:08] <hjmf> .. thunder bird
[09:08] <hjmf> ah, sorry, I was talking about the stacktraces from upstream reports
[09:08] <asac> oh ok.
[09:08] <asac> so what do you do with them atm?
[09:09] <hjmf> ?
[09:10] <asac> i mean how do you integrate upstream talkbacks in your current helper tool?
[09:11] <hjmf> As I stated that work is manual, it is not integrated, though I had a couple of scripts to 'beautify' our stacks to compare better
[09:11] <hjmf> with upstream ones
[09:11] <asac> ah ok
[09:11] <hjmf> sed stuff to  leave function calls
[09:11] <asac> so you have some kind of stack "normalization" code?
[09:12] <hjmf> yes
[09:12] <gnomefreak> is the meeting over?
[09:12] <asac> we are still talking :)
[09:12] <hjmf> I think we are boring you :)
[09:12] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[09:12] <asac> still no idea what to do with clue files i guess
[09:12] <gnomefreak> no i have other things im tending to
[09:12] <asac> actually on the long run it would make sense to have clues for stack duplicates
[09:12] <asac> question is whether we can generate them automatically
[09:13] <asac> e.g. from MASTER bug title
[09:13] <hjmf> asac: I agree. But currently is no need
[09:13] <hjmf> but I can work on them
[09:13] <asac> hjmf: how about generating them from search results and bug title
[09:14] <asac> should be pretty simple, right?
[09:14] <hjmf> yes
[09:14] <asac> good ... ok ... so no need to hurry in order to match crash duplicates
[09:15] <hjmf> though my idea in short term is working in pythonize my scripts to integrate them with the classes in bughelper, apport, and so on
[09:15] <asac> hjmf: that would be magnificent
[09:15] <asac> we have launchpad integration for instance
[09:15] <hjmf> yes but I wont be very confident as of my way of scripting
[09:15] <hjmf> :)
[09:15] <asac> why?
[09:15] <hjmf> as it works it's ok for me
[09:16] <hjmf> even if it is a mess :)
[09:16] <asac> hehe
[09:17] <asac> if you plan to improve launchpad integration and bughelper ocode, there are probably plenty of people willing to help
[09:17] <hjmf> I'll do some draft and I'll push to bzr as a branch or something
[09:17] <asac> yes
[09:17] <asac> thats good
[09:17] <asac> ok ... we have another item on agenda?
[09:18] <asac> testing team moved to next?
[09:19] <AlexLatchford> asac: yes
[09:19] <asac> good ... then i think we are over
[09:19] <asac> sorry again for being so late here :/
[09:20] <hjmf> :)
[09:20] <AlexLatchford> cool cool, asac can you update the agenda with the clue file decision, I was on another channel, and not nothing about clue files yet
[09:21] <asac> AlexLatchford: which page
[09:21] <AlexLatchford> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings
[09:22] <AlexLatchford> just put in a short sentence about the decision made, keeps track of the decisions until I clear the page and make the minutes
[09:23] <asac> yep done
[09:23] <asac> hmmm wiki is slow on writing
[09:23] <asac> now changed
[09:24] <AlexLatchford> hmm, ta
[09:25] <hjmf> cu
[10:28] <arualavi> @schedule Andorra
[10:28] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Andorra: Current meeting: Mozilla Team | 02 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 02 May 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 03 May 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 08 May 22:00: Technical Board | 09 May 22:00: Edubuntu
[11:04] <nifan> b'noite


[11:14] <InHisName> morning after pacs
[12:11] <rmg51> Morning
[13:55] <bts3685|vps> so... hi everyone
[13:56] <Sadin> hello
[13:57] <bts3685|vps> it's been like three years at least since i said anything iin here
[13:59] <Sadin> No worries i havent been on in moths
[13:59] <Sadin> months*
[14:01] <bts3685|vps> also, i think udev might be going crazy. or my keyboard might be dying. it's randomly inserting multiple "i"'s.
[14:01] <Sadin> lol
[14:05] <rmg51> bts3685|vps, did you miss us?
[14:05] <bts3685|vps> i did! i'm finally back in philly. living in philly proper now, so i can actually make it to meetings!
[14:06] <rmg51> we have meetings?
[14:06] <bts3685|vps> well, moreso for PLUG
[14:09] <rmg51> we are slowly becoming N.J.
[14:09] <bts3685|vps> how so?
[14:09] <rmg51> nothing going on
[14:10] <bts3685|vps> i blame pleia2
[14:11] <rmg51> and any one else that moved away ;-)
[14:11]  * bts3685|vps coughs
[14:11] <bts3685|vps> LOOK!  You are alive!
[14:49] <bts3685|vps> i am!
[14:49] <bts3685|vps> and in philly proper!
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> Where have you been? Why are you back?
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> Will you continue drinking the last beer at fine Philly establishments that are closing their doors forever?
[15:03] <bts3685|vps> i was in louisiana, then the suburbs again, i'm in north central now. i kind of really missed PA, as weird as it sounds.
[15:03] <bts3685|vps> and possibly, if you know of any. :)
[15:03] <bts3685|vps> also! i was in management for my company but i switched depts to operations. i'm a sysadmin now! and we don't have static schedules, so i'm a lot more flexible!
[15:07] <ChinnoDog> Management to operations is an interesting move.
[15:07] <bts3685|vps> i hated my job.
[15:07] <bts3685|vps> (i kind of hate *people*)
[15:07] <bts3685|vps> so it was really for the best
[17:31] <MutantTurkey> sundays are quiet at drexel
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> I caved in and borrowed my roommates headphones
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> same as my ones, except mine needs a new cable
[17:39] <MutantTurkey> I'm back in glorious clear audio


[08:54] <NCommander> morning all
[13:36] <magcius> I'm confused... if Launchpad only has my public key, how can they identify it is me without my private key...
[14:35] <persia> magcius_, Private and public keys are linked such that anything encrypted with the public key may only be decrypted by the private key, and vice-versa.  If LP can decrypt something you provide with your public key, you must have encrypted it with your private key.
[14:50] <magcius> Anybody know of any way to get Launchpad working in Mylyn?
[14:51] <glade88> How do I download using bzr from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ideatorrent-developers/ideatorrent/devel/files? bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ideatorrent-developers/ideatorrent/devel/files -- does not work
[14:52] <magcius> glade88, bzr get
[14:54] <glade88> magcius: I tried that. I get: bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eideatorrent-developers/ideatorrent/devel/files/.bzr/branch-format: Unableto handle http code 500: Internal Server Error
[14:55] <thekorn> glade88, try   	 bzr branch lp:ideatorrent
[14:56] <glade88> thekorn: thanks, this works
[14:56] <glade88> why does the above one return error 500?
[16:28] <vadi2> Hi, I'm having issues setting a security contact for a project.
[16:28] <vadi2> Even though I'm the registrant and part of the driver & bug supervisor team.
[16:28] <vadi2> The help file (https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/YourProject?highlight=(Security)|(contact)) doesn't mention any specific requirements on setting the contact
[17:05] <thekorn> vadi2, browse to the page https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/yourproject and click on the yellow pencil right to the "security contact"-field
[17:06] <vadi2> does it have to be edge?
[17:06] <vadi2> I do this in normal launchpad
[17:06] <vadi2> says I dont have permissions to set it
[17:06] <thekorn> there should be no difference between edge and normal launchpad in this case,
[17:07] <thekorn> I think if you are member of the drivers team, you should be able to change such contact details
[17:07] <thekorn> but I might be wrong
[17:08] <vadi2> i am
[17:08] <thekorn> oh, I was wrong, you have to be the maintainer, or member of the "maintainer" team
[17:10] <vadi2> I am I think
[17:10] <vadi2> yes I am
[17:10] <vadi2> I'm part of the team
[17:10] <vadi2> team owner in fact
[17:14] <thekorn> vadi2, sorry then, I think I can't help you with tihs permission issues
[18:28] <co0lingFir3> hello, is there a launchpad admin online who can tell me why i cannot login anymore? even requesting new password doesnt work... help
[18:53] <sinzui> co0lingFir3: Are you seeing any errors or message when you try to login or reset your password?
[18:54] <MrKanister> Hi. The bugwatch in bug #303045 is not getting updated. I tryed to remove and re-add the bugwach, but that didn't solve the problem. Before I did that the bugwatch hasn't been updated for about a week. Is there a way for somebody to trigger it manually? Thanks in advance.
[18:56] <sinzui> MrKanister: bugwatches are batch updated several times a day. GNOME bugs can take days or weeks to update because of performance issues with their old version of bugzilla.
[18:57] <co0lingFir3> sinzui: if i want to login it says that the email address and the pw do not match. if i request a new pw it says that my account details have not been found.
[18:58] <sinzui> MrKanister: Since the upstream status id resolved/fixed, I recommend removing the bugwatch and manually setting the status to indicate a fix is available for Ubuntu.
[18:59] <sinzui> co0lingFir3: I conclude you registered using  a different address.
[19:00] <MrKanister> sinzui: Thank you sinzui, I've ner ver heard about that :). I was thinking about setting it manually, but hesitated, but if you say in this case it is okay to set it manually I will do that. Thanks again and marry christmas :)
[19:00] <sinzui> co0lingFir3: If you are claiming a profile that was created by Launchpad, it may have used an old email address found in a change log.
[19:01] <sinzui> co0lingFir3: Which user are you trying to login as?
[21:44] <melquart> on the page for a certain bug, i see in the box on the right only a link to "Unsubscribe" and "Subscribe someone else", not to "Subscribe". This proves that I am subscribed to this bug, doesn't it? Because when I click on my profile, then on "Bugs" and then "List subscribed bugs", this bug is NOT listed
[21:44] <melquart> why not?
[21:47] <thekorn> melquart, maybe because this bug's tasks are closed
[21:47] <melquart> ah... i see
[21:47] <thekorn> and so filtered out of your personal bug overview
[21:48] <melquart> tx
[22:58] <qball> hmm stupidly foolishly made a serie in launchpad when I watned to make a rlease
[22:58] <qball> to a serie
[22:59] <qball> can I delete this wrong serie?


[08:35] <dpm> good morning all
[09:15] <andrejz> morning dpm
[09:40] <dpm> morning andrejz :)
[09:50] <TLE> morning everybody
[09:53] <andrejz> morning TLE, how is freeciv going ?
[09:54] <TLE> good, we didn't quite make it for the beta, but we will for teh final version
[09:59] <andrejz> great. I just finished writing the report from yestardays translations meeting and sent it in all possible directions ;)
[10:00] <andrejz> it took a while but it's wort it
[10:04] <dpm> andrejz, I haven't seen it yet. Was that a meeting from your team?
[10:05] <andrejz> we have meetings twice a month - once a more formal online so as many people can attend and once informal translation beer
[10:05] <dpm> ah, yeah, I remember youtold me about the translation beers :)
[10:06] <andrejz> you can see the list of events here and there are also links to google docs, but it's all in slovenian so i guess it might not help you much - http://slovenski-prevajalci.blogspot.com/p/pretekli-dogodki.html
[10:07] <dpm> cool :)
[10:07] <andrejz> but from the dates you can see some stuff is happening :)
[10:08] <andrejz> now i am trying to energise a wider loco community (besides translators) but there hasn't been much effect so far. I am considering taking it over but i am not certian my timetable allows this
[11:40] <dpm> hi happyaron, a quick question: I've got a couple of translations (audacity.mo, for example) on /usr/share/locale/zh/LC_MESSAGES - so there is no country code specified that can be used to tell Simplified vs. Traditional Chinese apart. Is that a bug in the apps providing those translations, or is the 'zh' code an alias for a particular Chinese variant?
[19:53] <trijntje> Hi all, can someone give an indication as to how 'un-wise' it would be to begin translating programs for natty? Would a lot of work get lost?
[19:58] <andrejz> hello trintje!
[19:59] <andrejz> i don't think the changes are going to be drastic
[19:59] <andrejz> especially for gnome package (meaning not unity and similar)
[20:00] <andrejz> we have been translating natty (or more preciesly upstream sources) in slovanian team since it was available and not many strings have changed up till now, but strings always change among releases and it's soem extra work one must take into account


[09:42] <schopin> danny: https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/152
[11:24] <santi> hello from weechat :-) just moved from NM to networkd using netplan
[11:24] <santi> love netplan, could help contributing to documentation if needed, ain't got any money
[12:59] <slyon> santi: thanks! feel free to suggest improvements about the documentation that you can find here: https://github.com/canonical/netplan/tree/main/doc / https://github.com/canonical/netplan/tree/main/examples or https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/netplan.io
[13:02] <slyon> netplan.io v0.104 was released earlier today \o/ This is a big release, thank you to everybody who contributed to this version! https://github.com/canonical/netplan/releases/tag/0.104
[13:03] <santi> @slyon thanks, will do
[13:03] <santi> slyon: now got it. thanks!


[00:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jbicha, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2939 Needs rebuild due to burned version number (artful/clutter-1.0). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (artful/gnome-builder, artful/libdazzle)
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[13:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2892 Failed to build (artful/unity). Successfully built (artful/compiz, artful/nux)
[15:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2925 Pending binary packages
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[08:02] <Laney> I actually *used* the tool. :P
[08:02] <Laney> (maybe I am the tool...)
[08:07]  * didrocks puts Laney back on the carpenter's bench
[08:11] <Laney> slangasek: juliank sil2100 OOM again
[08:12] <Laney> rbasak: I don't suppose you know who might have a clue about rabbitmq / erlang, at all?
[08:13] <Laney> We've been seeing incidences of autopkgtest's rabbitmq OOMing and dying in the last month or so
[08:13] <Laney> The consequences are not very nice for us :/
[08:14] <Laney> (In that everything breaks)
[08:38] <LocutusOfBorg> cyphermox, I know the ubuntu1 reason, but since I upload in debian in a matter of minutes, the syncpackage is often useless
[08:39] <LocutusOfBorg> specially with such transitions, if we forget, we have to do lots of rebuilds
[08:39] <LocutusOfBorg> *useless* rebuilds :)
[10:16] <rbasak> Laney: I don't think I know any more than you do, sorry.
[10:18] <Laney> rbasak: OK, I saw the server team subscriber and thought there might be a person there who could assist.
[10:20] <rbasak> Laney: sure, by all means put it on our plate
[10:20] <rbasak> Since we're committed to looking after it.
[10:20] <rbasak> I just mean that I have no specific knowledge that you don't.
[10:44] <cking> hi there, my zfsutils uploads from yesterday  didn't work in some scenarios and failed testing, can they be removed from -proposed for series X, A, B and C ?
[11:02] <rbasak> cking: I can't do the delete, but please can you mark the bug verification-failed?
[11:03] <rbasak> From an SRU perspective we can just supersede the packages in proposed when you have replacements. An AA can delete from -proposed if the package is causing harm there
[11:03] <rbasak> (or if they feel like it but harm is a good reason :)
[11:10] <ginggs> what needs to be done to move r-cran-maptools from multiverse -> universe? - i think it blocks https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/car/3.0-0-1
[11:12] <cking> rbasak, marked as verification-failed
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[12:09] <cpaelzer> rbasak: IIRC the *mq* packages are server for historical reasons
[12:09] <cpaelzer> real knowledge might have be split off in the past and reside with jamespage and team now
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[19:20] <slangasek> cjwatson: it seems you seeded policyrcd-script-zg2 in 2009, but this package never had an owning team... should I check with IS whether this is still interesting to them, or should it just be demoted?
[19:20] <infinity> slangasek: We use it.
[19:20] <slangasek> infinity: "we"?
[19:20] <infinity> slangasek: It's installed in every buildd chroot.
[19:20] <slangasek> infinity: k. who do you think should be the owning team/
[19:20] <infinity> slangasek: Us.
[19:22] <infinity> slangasek: It's amazingly trivial, and pretty much never changes, I'm happy to have you yell at me if it somehow magically breaks. :P
[19:22] <slangasek> infinity: k, subscribed.
[19:23] <infinity> (If we dropped it out of main, I'd just cargo-cult its contents wholesale into livecd-rootfs, which would be counter-productive)
[19:28] <ginggs> what needs to be done to move r-cran-maptools from multiverse -> universe? - i think it blocks https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/car/3.0-0-1
[19:34] <doko> change the overrides
[19:36] <doko> done
[19:49] <mitya57> doko: While you are online, may I ask you for some comment on bug #1771044?
[20:31] <ginggs> doko: danke! i see r-cran-maptools in universe now, retrying car build
[20:47] <cjwatson> slangasek: ... what he said
[20:55] <slangasek> cjwatson: ack :)
[21:03] <doko> mitya57: yes, not yet ready. will revert that. note it's in 3.7 too, but I hope nobody cares about that for now
[21:04] <mitya57> doko: ack, thanks. I don’t care about 3.7 but a fix in 3.6 is important to me because it blocks some autopkgtests.
[22:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gce-compute-image-packages (trusty-proposed/universe) [20180510+dfsg1-0ubuntu3~14.04.2 => 20180510+dfsg1-0ubuntu3~14.04.3] (ubuntu-cloud)
[22:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pollinate [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.33-0ubuntu1~18.04.1]
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[22:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gce-compute-image-packages [source] (trusty-proposed) [20180510+dfsg1-0ubuntu3~14.04.3]
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[00:40] <shubjero> Hey all, my entire cloud is down because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1927868
[00:40] <shubjero> Any way to get the 16.3.0 packages?
[00:41] <sarnold> shubjero: yeah, launchpad has them all https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+publishinghistory
[00:42] <shubjero> sarnold: hmm, how can i grab these with apt?
[00:43] <sarnold> shubjero: if it's still listed on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron then you should be able to apt install neutron=version_number_here  .. but if it's not referenced by any of these, then it'll probably have been reaped from the mirrors and isn't reachable via apt commands any more
[00:47] <shubjero> sarnold: I don't really understand how to roll back without the package being published on a repository
[00:47] <shubjero> At the very least 16.3.1 needs to be pulled from app repositories immediately
[00:47] <shubjero> this bug puts entire openstack deployments offline
[00:48] <shubjero> I  had tested 16.3.0 but by the time i installed prod 16.3.1 had been released and i didnt test it
[00:48] <shubjero> this is terrible
[00:48] <sarnold> shubjero: wget <url> ; dpkg -i ./neutron_whatever.deb
[00:49] <shubjero> I am running 18.04 bionic with cloud archive repo for ussuri
[00:49] <shubjero> i dont see where these deb's are hosted on launchpad
[00:54] <sarnold> hmm that's strange, there's nothing listed under ussari here https://launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+packages
[00:55] <sarnold> I wonder where those live
[00:55] <sarnold> maybe if you use ubuntu-bug neutron   to file a bug on neutron, the bug itself willhave breadcrumbs to where the packages live
[00:57] <shubjero> im trying 16.3.2 from the proposed repo
[00:57] <shubjero> i have no idea why ubuntu prunes previous versions from repositories so agressively
[00:57] <shubjero> its dangerous
[01:07] <shubjero> does not appear to be fixed in 16.3.2 :(
[01:08] <sarnold> :(
[01:56] <shubjero> sarnold: I was able to find debs for 16.0 that seem to work at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/neutron/ I installed them manually and neutron l3 agents are now coming alive
[01:56] <shubjero> i need a stiff fucking drink
[01:59] <sarnold> shubjero: woot
[02:00] <shubjero> Hopefully I can chat with coreycb tomorrow and let him know my late night fun
[05:25] <PaulePanter> sdeziel: I will do it, but SYSRQ is not really needed in QEMU/KVM environment. But it’s probably the easiest solution.
[07:58] <BraveheartBSD> I have ubnuntu server installed, how do I access the 12gb share?
[11:50] <uluntu1> I have set up isc-dhcp-server over Ubuntu server 20.04. Isc-dhcp-server starts well. But when I plug a network cable to link the server to the switch, I get the following message: network failed - Connection activation failed. Problem described here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1345088/ubuntu-server-20-04-set-ip-isc-dhcp-server-network-failed
[12:19] <rbasak> uluntu1: "network failed - Connection activation failed" -- where does that message appear?
[12:25] <uluntu1> @rbasak: It appears on the server. On client side no display message but same sign.
[12:31] <rbasak> uluntu1: I don't understand. Where and how does it appear? Is your server actually a desktop?
[12:48] <uluntu1> @rbasak: yes server is a Desktop
[12:51] <rbasak> uluntu1: the desktop assumes that your network will be "roaming" by default, which generally won't work if you want to run a DHCP server. Normally you'd configure your network and IP statically on the DHCP server. I'm not sure how that interacts with Network Manager (that's typically a desktop-only thing) especially when you log out of the desktop session, etc.
[12:51] <rbasak> uluntu1: I'm sure what you want can be achieved, but trying to do it on a desktop makes things much more complicated.
[17:21] <PaulePanter> How can I reassign https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug
[19:27] <sarnold> PaulePanter: can you rephrase your question?
[20:13] <DK3> /j/join #centos
[21:02] <ndubois> quit
[21:40] <ra>


[12:46] <rromero> hi all
[16:27] <rromero> hi
[16:35] <rromero> I'm having a problem and maybe sb could help me. before upgrading to 11.04 I'm not able to start my htpc far than the splashscreen. the only thing I can do is start the recovery mode.
[16:35] <rromero> if I press F2 during the start, the last message is "No apache MPM package installed".
[16:37] <superm1> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:37] <superm1> generally that means that X is failing to start and that failsafe-x isn't kicking in
[16:38] <rromero> ok, let me check it.
[16:45] <rromero> i don't see any error message
[17:23] <superm1> well you can try to start it manually then
[17:24] <superm1> i'm not sure what else it could commonly be
[22:14] <Elv13> is there a way to enable /dev/dsp again? MythTV crash because it cant get it
[23:23] <Kr0nZ> is it possible to auto-transcode without removing commercials unless a cutlist is present?


[10:31] <18VAATKUN> Hey
[10:31] <18VAATKUN> I would like to report a  bug
[10:32] <18VAATKUN> resuming after suspending to ram breakes
[10:33] <mlankhorst> bug 994688
[10:33] <18VAATKUN> it start happens after updating nvidia driver to the
[10:33] <18VAATKUN> 302.17
[10:33] <mlankhorst> oh nvidia one
[10:33] <18VAATKUN> yea nvidia
[10:33] <18VAATKUN> 8600mgt 512ram
[10:33] <18VAATKUN> :P
[10:34] <mlankhorst> there was one for nvidia too on launchpad
[10:35] <mlankhorst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1008515 ?
[10:35] <18VAATKUN> I dont have compiz
[10:35] <18VAATKUN> I have kubuntu 12.04 64
[10:36] <mlankhorst> does it use the composite extension?
[10:36] <18VAATKUN> yea
[10:36] <18VAATKUN> kwin
[10:36] <18VAATKUN> but actualization is great
[10:37] <mlankhorst> might stilll be the same bug then
[10:37] <18VAATKUN> reall time changing and detecting displays with full color and resolution without relogin :D
[10:37] <mlankhorst> like nouveau had for ages? :p
[10:38] <18VAATKUN> I've always used nvidia properity driver
[10:38] <18VAATKUN> and when I connect TV i had to restart x to vave colour
[10:38] <18VAATKUN> :(
[10:38] <18VAATKUN> it was annoing
[10:39] <mlankhorst> seems like it could be the same bug though
[10:44] <18VAATKUN> I hope and I am waitting for solution :D
[10:45] <18VAATKUN> what about installations  nouveau
[10:50] <18VAATKUN> thanks
[16:44] <penguin42> can someone have a peak at bug 774434 - my suspicion is that it should be assigned to something other than xserver-org-input-evdev, I'm suspecting it's more video rather than input related
[20:30] <toabctl> can someone have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1017243 ?


[18:44] <peppe84> Hi, there are any pages where to study the light-moin-theme? I need to edit the light.py for italian wiki... in theme are few comment for me.
[19:00] <daker> peppe84, maybe you should ask newz2000 or AlanBell
[19:06] <peppe84> uhm... well AlanBell I know how to hack the ubuntunew theme. but in light I don't know how to add in navibar: recent change, user home page, user preference and a seach form with title and text :-( There are any document for study this theme? Thanks.
[19:07] <peppe84> I work on moin 1.9.2 (we have schedule upgrade in few week).
[19:44] <AlanBell> hi
[19:44] <AlanBell> peppe84: are you involved in the upgrade?
[19:52] <peppe84> AlanBell, I sorry for delay. I have tested on my server the upgrade from 1.5.x to 1.9.2 with success
[19:53] <AlanBell> is this for the main wiki?
[19:53] <peppe84> yep
[19:53] <AlanBell> full. of. awesome.
[19:53] <AlanBell> can we turn on xapian?
[19:53] <AlanBell> please please please
[19:54] <peppe84> AlanBell, xapian = turn off! is much slow
[19:54] <AlanBell> huh?
[19:54] <AlanBell> the brute force searches are killing wiki.ubuntu.com
[19:55] <peppe84> the first index isn't succesfull in my case
[19:55] <AlanBell> https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-November/001084.html
[19:56] <AlanBell> every page save takes 30 seconds as it does a full regexp evaluation against the user profiles to send notification mails
[19:56] <AlanBell> which most of the time results in an error 500 now
[19:57] <AlanBell> people are not using the wiki any more and putting content on askubuntu.com because the performance is so awful
[19:57] <peppe84> the inclusion of a page in xapian happens after an edit (after the initial indexing). This makes it very slow to have a full index. need much time
[19:57] <peppe84> I see it.
[19:58] <peppe84> isn't our case. we have only 6000 page on our wiki
[19:58] <AlanBell> huh?
[19:58] <peppe84> i think
[19:59] <AlanBell> oh you are not upgrading the main wiki.ubuntu.com?
[19:59] <peppe84> no. italian wiki!
[19:59] <peppe84> wiki.ubuntu-it.org
[20:01] <AlanBell> oh, fair enough
[20:06] <peppe84> AlanBell, what about light theme? any stuff are avaible?
[20:15] <AlanBell> just reading the source really :)
[20:15] <AlanBell> there are a bunch of bug reports against it and I have an outstanding merge request that fixes some of them
[20:16] <AlanBell> the main thing to remember is that it is built to go with the web design guidelines, not the overall brand guidelines
[20:16] <peppe84> ok!
[20:17] <AlanBell> which means I tried to fix a load of problems I saw with it, but are part of the web guidelines
[20:37] <stas> AlanBell: hey, when you got some time, you can test this plugin http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/some-maps/ it's the rewritten lugmap plugin
[20:37] <AlanBell> awesome
[20:38] <AlanBell> will do
[20:55] <AlanBell> Warning: array_combine() [function.array-combine]: Both parameters should have an equal number of elements in /srv/beta.ubuntu-uk.org/www/wp-content/plugins/some-maps/includes/some-maps.class.php on line 159
[20:55] <AlanBell> stas: ^^
[20:56] <stas> AlanBell: checking... thx
[21:10] <stas> AlanBell: can you update to 1.2, i think i fixed the problem
[22:12] <AlanBell> stas: updated, the error message has gone
[22:12] <AlanBell> not quite sure how to get the map working though
[22:13] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ should be here I think
[22:15] <stas> AlanBell: go to wp-admin, there should be a new menu
[22:15] <stas> Maps
[22:15] <AlanBell> yeah
[22:15] <stas> create a new map
[22:15] <AlanBell> I created one and put the short code on that page
[22:16] <stas> did you fill all the settings
[22:16] <stas> something like http://i.imgur.com/7LFcX.png
[22:21] <daker> AlanBell, just a quick note, Ronnie on #ubuntu-locoteams is working on support map app for the ubuntu django foundation
[22:22] <AlanBell> nice
[22:22] <AlanBell> stas: filled in the lat and long etc now
[22:22] <AlanBell> it doesn't let me add new points
[22:22] <AlanBell> doesn't display the map
[22:23] <AlanBell> oh, sidebar ID was important
 highvoltage: were you still looking for a google map solution to point the schools. i got one: Live version: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ronnie.vd.c/map.html , documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-django-foundations/map
[22:24] <stas> AlanBell: wait, is says 404
[22:24] <stas> http://i.imgur.com/R18Kr.png
[22:25] <stas> my fault
[22:28] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/wp-content/plugins/some-maps/css/some-maps.css
[22:28] <AlanBell> not in /includes/
[22:46] <stas> i was testing it using symlinks, and it worked for me (surprisingly)
[22:53] <stas> AlanBell: i pushed 1.3
[23:02] <AlanBell> cool, waiting for the wordpress magic update thingie to see the upgrade
[23:15] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[23:15] <AlanBell> it is not liking new entries though
[23:15] <AlanBell> says fill in the required fields - but they are
[23:50] <stas> AlanBell: check the moderation at map page
[23:50] <stas> i hooked akismet to public submits
[23:50] <stas> to get rid of spammers


 Curl author asks Microsoft to remove 'curl' and 'wget' aliases from PowerShell (github.com)
[15:44] <nacc> OerHeks: link?
[15:44] <OerHeks> sorry nacc , hold on
[15:44] <OerHeks> "They block use of the commonly used command line tools without providing even an attempt to offer the same functionality." ---- https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/pull/1901 ---- "Unacceptable Changes"
[15:49] <nacc> OerHeks: interesting
[15:50] <OerHeks> I thought so, too.
[15:55] <dax> yeah, PowerShell goes a bit overboard with default alias
[15:55] <dax> aliases*
[15:55] <dax> like, i can see aliasing ls to the relevant PowerShell command, but curl?
[15:57] <nacc> well, the last comments make it clear
[15:57] <nacc> this is the "Windows PowerShell" (built-in) aliases
[15:57] <nacc> where it sort of makes sense, possibly
[15:57] <nacc> so it can do all the OO stuff that makes PowerShell fancy :)
[15:58] <nacc> brb
[15:58] <BluesKaj> nacc, but why wouldone need it on ubuntu? Surely we have enough shell types to cover our needs
[15:58] <BluesKaj> oops
[16:01] <dax> (I'm talking about on Windows.)
[16:09] <BluesKaj> I just have windows install so i can check/simulate problems wife's pc might bhe having, otherwisw I never use it
[21:14] <Bashing-om> I am sure it is Friday in most of the world .. so why the channel soooo quiet ?


[09:55] <rick_h_> morning
[12:00] <_stink_> yo
[12:13] <brousch> Dawg
[12:22] <_stink_> i heard
[13:57] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:57] <cmaloney> ?
[14:20] <smoser> jcastro: here now.
[14:20] <jcastro> I forgot what I was going to ask
[14:22] <smoser> fair enough.
[14:43] <cmaloney> This is why email is better. :)
[15:39] <_stink_> cmaloney++
[15:57] <greg-g> cmaloney: which is also why I have the contentlessping.pl extension/plugin/whatever they call them/ installed in irssi
[15:57] <greg-g> "script"
[16:01] <_stink_> ping greg-g
[16:01] <greg-g> _stink_: name first
[16:01] <_stink_> haha
[16:01] <greg-g> bug report!
[16:01]  * _stink_ shakes fist at regex
[16:01] <_stink_> greg-g: ping
[16:01] <greg-g> _stink_: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[16:01] <_stink_> o/
[16:01] <greg-g> :)
[16:02] <greg-g> the funny part is that in my view, my response comes before your ping
[16:02] <greg-g> it looks like this to me:
[16:02] <greg-g> 11:01 <    greg-g> _stink_: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please  provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[16:02] <greg-g> 11:01 <   _stink_> greg-g: ping
[16:03] <_stink_> ah weird - Irssi::settings_add_str() in the script must run before anything incoming gets written
[16:56] <jrwren> smoser: congrats on the kid. I just found out.
[16:57] <smoser> jrwren: thanks.
[17:02] <cmaloney> Sheesh! What is with people popping out kids without telling anyone
[17:03] <cmaloney> smoser: Congratulations!
[17:03] <brousch> cmaloney: You're next
[17:04] <jrwren> cmaloney: privacy i would guess.
[17:04] <cmaloney> brousch: We're getting Kid-in-a-can
[17:04] <cmaloney> Leave the kid in a can for 18 years, remove when mature and then send out into the world.
[17:04] <brousch> Adopting from China?
[17:05] <cmaloney> Nah, I mean it'll be a well-adjusted kid
[17:05] <cmaloney> none of that whole messy maturity stuff
[17:05] <cmaloney> Ask JoDee about it sometime
[17:05] <cmaloney> it's her idea.
[17:08] <smoser> hey, yeah, thanks.
[17:08] <smoser> thats one of the reasons i wasn't there at mug this last time.
[17:08] <smoser> jrwren: when did you start at canonical ?
[17:18] <jrwren> smoser: July 3rd.
[17:18] <jrwren> smoser: when did you get bonus for my hiring? :)
[17:18] <smoser> cool. and you're still here, right :)
[17:18] <smoser> i dont think i got it yet. isnt it pathetic that i dont knwo..
[17:18] <smoser> but for some reason i think that happens at 6 months of hired
[17:18] <smoser> dont knwo for sure though
[17:46] <jrwren> smoser: yes, I'm in London at a sprint right now.
[18:04] <aisrael> I think it's at three months. jcastro, did you get your bonus for me?
[18:04] <jcastro> I DID.
[18:13] <_stink_> oh no, we have to admit to spawning now?
[18:13] <_stink_> well in that case, we are expecting #3 in July.
[18:14] <cmaloney> _stink_: Congratulations!
[18:15] <cmaloney> See? That wasn't so hard? ;)
[18:15] <_stink_> thanks!
[18:15] <_stink_> i got past my fear.
[18:16] <brousch> _stink_: I saw that on FB at least
[18:16] <_stink_> yeah that's the best way to give out info
[18:16] <_stink_> have my wife tag in me a facebook post
[18:18] <cmaloney> heh
[18:18] <cmaloney> YOU DID THIS TO MEEEEEE
[18:18] <cmaloney> !!?!!?!1
[18:21] <_stink_> hah, the question marks carry the message there
[18:22]  * cmaloney is listening to Trauma - Renewal Through Collapse
[18:22] <cmaloney> This band should be much bigger than they are.
[18:23] <cmaloney> I swear Poland is like my Mecca for Death Metal
[20:10] <rick_h_> evening
[20:10] <_stink_> howdy
[21:11] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[21:13] <greg-g> afternoon
[21:49] <cmaloney> Dayloght
[21:49] <cmaloney> Daylight even
[21:50] <brousch> whatyoutalkinaboutwillis?


[07:31] <interserve> hello
[07:31] <interserve> i have a problem when doing apt-get update on trusty 14.04.5
[07:31] <interserve> all lines Failed to fetch


[11:51] <monster> I want to help in fixing the appstream issues. I am a new developer and would love to lend a hand before xenial release. Can somebody give me pointers what to do and what are currently hot items to be fixed soon ?
[18:31] <tjaalton> Trevinho: I've pushed a fixed gtk+3.0 to the staging ppa, i want to test if it also fixes nvidia prime :)


[00:39] <idro> Hey All
[00:40] <idro> So basically I wanna make some cool artwork but not to sure where to go. any advice ?
[17:31] <_MMA_> "_Only_ if you don't record with a JACK application, 16 and 24 bit integer formats are also acceptable." HUH!? :) Um, why?
[17:32] <_MMA_> (mostly the 1st part)
[17:33] <thorwil> _MMA_: if it comes in via jack, it already is 32 bit float
[17:33] <thorwil> _MMA_: i want to avoid conversions
[17:34] <thorwil> someone recording with Ardour and sending me a 16bit integer export would be ... unfortunate
[17:35] <_MMA_> Well that's up to them. Just the blanket JACK statement struck me funny. :)
[19:54]  * _MMA_ sticks his finger in kwwii's nose.