  DO you enjoy top or bottom?
[02:36] <snap-l> Please tell us something we didn't know.
[02:37] <brousch> Stupid question
[02:37] <snap-l> Yeah, this is pretty silly.
[02:38] <snap-l> I'll get everyone up
[04:02] <snap-l> God, I want to punch this band's website.
[04:03] <snap-l> http://www.moskeo.com/
[12:07] <rick_h_> kind of cool, street view of a DC http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=avP5d16wEp0
[12:07] <brousch> Washington DC?
[12:08] <brousch> That's a lot of servers
[12:21] <rick_h_> from http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/10/ff-inside-google-data-center/all/
[12:28] <snap-l> Well that was fun
[12:28] <snap-l> UPS shut down hard, with just a single tone
[12:29] <brousch> heh
[12:29] <snap-l> I'm sure it protected me from something ,but I'm not sure what.
[12:30] <brousch> Or the battery is going bad
[12:31] <snap-l> possible
[12:48] <rick_h_> ah USPS, my old friend https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?qtc_tLabels1=9400110200881515599448
[12:50] <snap-l> OK, just had my machine suspend for no reason
[12:50] <brousch> USPS tracking is useless
[12:50] <snap-l> I think my UPS is acting up
[12:50] <rick_h_> I just love that it said it would be delivered the 15th
[12:50] <snap-l> wonder if it's related to a four-legged friend of mine.
[12:50] <rick_h_> and still says it
[12:51] <rick_h_> snap-l: ooh, kitty chewed cords are fun
[13:50] <brad__> anyone else in here listen to Wdet?
[13:50] <snap-l> On occasion
[13:50] <rick_h_> nope
[13:50] <brad__> any idea what happened to marketplace at 6pm ?
[13:50] <rick_h_> only radio is 97.1 for my sports fix otherwise it's streaming/podcasts/etc
[13:50] <snap-l> brad__: No idea. They seem to have nixed it
[13:51] <snap-l> I've been listening to it on SiriusXM until my subscription runs out
[13:52] <snap-l> nullspace: I noticed that as well. I know 91.7 is still playing it, but at 6:30pm
[13:52] <nullspace> that sucks, so I get to hear all thing considered repeat the news twice instead of hearing about economic news, lame
[13:52] <snap-l> But frankly it got me to subscribe back to the podcast feed.
[13:52] <snap-l> WDET's been really schitzo re: their schedule
[13:53] <snap-l> Ever since they made the big move to pull Ed Love from weekdays, that really soured me on the station
[13:54] <nullspace> I have a script to pull and splice news articles and the mornign report podcast in the morning
[13:59] <snap-l> from the podcast feed?
[14:17] <jrwren> that google data center isn't nearly as awesome as I would have hoped.
[14:18] <snap-l> jrwren: It's only because Google doesn't want to show you their hovercars
[14:18] <snap-l> self-driving
[14:18] <snap-l> That's for a future Google-IO
[14:18] <jrwren> i agree.
[14:19] <jrwren> the very power efficient data centers are trade secret. the big guys are keeping it to themselves
[14:20] <snap-l> I think there's some benefit to sharing notes on this, though
[14:20] <rick_h_> yea, the end of the article brings it all to light
[14:20] <snap-l> You don't have to show everything
[14:20] <rick_h_> now that they've got the next gen DC going up they can show off last gen
[14:20] <rick_h_> "here, let's open source win95"
[14:20] <snap-l> rick_h_: ++
[14:22]  * rick_h_ needs to be medicated today
[14:22] <rick_h_> come on CHC...is it quitting time yet?
[14:25] <jrwren> the things in this wired article are things which were known publicly 10 yrs ago.
[14:25] <jrwren> use water, keep the server room warmer, use batteries instead of traditional ups.
[14:25] <rick_h_> right
[14:26] <rick_h_> but they got to see it, they street viewed the DC
[14:26] <rick_h_> there was general info, but not pics
[14:26] <rick_h_> "pics or it didn't happen"
[14:26] <jrwren> yup
[14:26] <jrwren> i see.
[14:26] <snap-l> Does anyone know of a good comparison between Windows CPU and Linux CPU scheduling that I can pass along to someone
[14:26] <jrwren> but i wonder if they have inovated even more.
[14:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Three guesses why. ;)
[14:26] <rick_h_> but yea, the temp stuff has been known for a while
[14:27] <jrwren> rick_h_: which linux scheduler, there are numerous ones.
[14:27] <rick_h_> snap-l: oh you've got to be kidding me...scheduler? FIX THE FING CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:27] <jrwren> maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Completely_Fair_Scheduler ?
[14:27] <snap-l> jrwren: Just a broad overview
[14:27] <rick_h_> hulk rick says "SCHEDULER NO FIX BROKEN A$$ CODE"
[14:27] <jrwren> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheduling_%28computing%29 then? compare section 3.1 to 3.4.3
[14:28] <devinheitmueller> There are a variety of different scheduling algorithms under Linux.    If you're dedicating an entire CPU to openssh, you're doing somethign wrong.
[14:32] <devinheitmueller> I've actually done NT kernel development, and have been reading sysinternals since the early 2000's.
[14:32] <jrwren> by CPU you mean core, right? so if it is a 64core server, only 1 core isn't so bad to dedicate.
[14:32] <jrwren> but you certainly DO NOT NEED TO DO THIS
[14:32] <snap-l> I think it's cores, yes
[14:32] <snap-l> It's an Amazon EC2 instance
[14:32] <snap-l> so it's virtual, whatever it's using
[14:33] <jrwren> ec2 instance, there is your second problem :)
[14:33] <snap-l> jrwren: I think that's problem #5, frankly.
[14:33] <devinheitmueller> Is openssh *completely* unresponsive?  Or is responsiveness just poor?
[14:33] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: It's not responding to outside requests.
[14:33] <rick_h_> all he probably knows is that he can't init a new ssh connection
[14:33] <devinheitmueller> At all?  Or just slowly?
[14:33] <snap-l> I tried it yesterday and was unable to get it to ack anything
[14:34] <devinheitmueller> Firewall problem?
[14:34] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Unlikely
[14:34] <devinheitmueller> Well, it's EC2, so it's not unheard of.
[14:34] <snap-l> unless the windows firewall somehow gets triggered
[14:34] <rick_h_> ec2 has auto firewall based on security setup
[14:34] <devinheitmueller> If you get onto the box, do you see OpenSSH listening on the port via netstat?
[14:35] <devinheitmueller> Also, if you tcpdump, do you see the TCP handshake completing?
[14:35] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: will pass along, but I have no direct access to this machine
[14:35] <snap-l> just passing along postulations
[14:35] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, jumping to the notion that it's a scheduler problem seems like a real stretch.  Much more likely to be some sort of networking problem.
[14:35] <snap-l> frankly, this would be on a Linux machine
[14:36] <snap-l> if it were my baliwick
[15:00] <brousch> This is pretty cool. An Android app with Python embedded in the APK, and a full screen gui https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/gyrotest-PythonAPK.apk
[15:01] <brousch> I think all of the pieces I need are there
[16:40] <snap-l> Release party information: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2049/detail/
[16:41] <snap-l> Hopefully this will work out for most folks.
[16:43]  * snap-l is hoping to delegate the release party planning to someone else in the near future.
[16:46] <snap-l> If you're planning on attending (even if you're undecided) please RSVP.
[16:46] <snap-l> Want to have an accurate count if possible.
[17:24] <brousch> snap-l: You need to leverage your Canonical employee friends ;)
[17:35] <jcastro_> and by friends he means rick
[17:36] <snap-l> jcastro_: We've been leveraging on rick_h_
[17:36] <snap-l> He was like a proto-jcastro
[17:36] <snap-l> But now that the real thing is back in Michigan... ;)
[17:37] <rick_h_> what are we using me for?
[17:40] <jcastro_> I see what you did there
[17:40] <jcastro_> well, I will be close to the Ypsi brewery
[17:41] <jcastro_> finally. Good to see openiduser626 join  us.
[17:43] <rick_h_> grrr this sim/att crap is annoying as $#@$@#
[17:45] <snap-l> jcastro_: You're also close to the Ypsi library
[17:45] <snap-l> where they have a fireplace.
[17:45] <snap-l> Fortunately nowhere near Farenheit 451
[17:47] <greg-g> ba dum ching
[17:48] <brousch> snap-l: Was your release party tweet supposed to have a link?
[17:48] <snap-l> brousch: It's from identi.ca
[17:48] <snap-l> so no, no link
[17:51] <greg-g> brousch:  http://identi.ca/event/10bd74ea-e454-430f-883e-e24364193567!!!!!
[17:51] <snap-l> Just sent another one with the link
[17:51] <greg-g> er
[17:51] <greg-g> brousch:  http://identi.ca/event/10bd74ea-e454-430f-883e-e24364193567   !!!!!
[17:52] <brousch> ah
[18:38] <lmorchard> I'm still not sure why I'm "openiduser626" or how to fix that
[18:38] <brousch> you look like lmorchard to me
[18:38]  * waldo323_ registered
[18:39] <lmorchard> On here I don't, or at least not to me: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2049/detail/
[18:39] <lmorchard> Though launchpad.net thinks I'm "lmorchard"
[18:39] <brousch> Pidgin says you're lmorchard
[18:40] <lmorchard> Yeah, but I'm talking about that event page, like jcastro_ mentioned
[18:40]  * rick_h_ is going to bomb att soon
[18:40] <brousch> Ah, now I see
[18:40] <lmorchard> Far as I can tell, there's no way for me to affect that name
[19:05] <snap-l> lmorchard: Do you have your full name set in your launchpad profile
[19:05] <lmorchard> As far as I can tell, yeah: https://launchpad.net/~lmorchard
[19:05] <snap-l> Yeah, not seeing anything off
[19:06] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+filebug
[19:06] <snap-l> Post the link of your bug in here, and we'll see it gets attention
[19:11] <lmorchard> I think there might be existing bugs, my fuzzy memory tells me
[19:11] <lmorchard> I seem to remember this being an issue for me when I first registered a year ago :)
[19:17] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha, ATT support person that says it won't work...it works boom!
[19:19] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/574049 <- lmorchard, please say this bug affects you.
[19:19] <snap-l> There's a link at the top that should ask if it affects you.
[19:19] <lmorchard> It sounds like it affects me, but I did in fact login from launchpad.net
[19:20]  * lmorchard clicks the link
[19:21] <snap-l> Danke
[19:27] <brousch> snap-l: I'm setting up a west MI event now
[19:34] <snap-l> brousch: Awesome!
[19:34] <snap-l> Do you have edit perms to add it to the calendar?
[19:34] <brousch> I can add it to the events
[19:35] <brousch> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2051/detail/
[19:38] <jjesse> did ubuntu release while I was out and about today?
[19:40] <brousch> I don't think so
[19:40] <jjesse> just saw some weird announcements on my feed
[19:49] <brousch> snap-l: I'll advertise it tomorrow


[00:05] <superm1> in theory
[00:42] <squidly> if the mythbuntu website down?
[00:42] <superm1> yeah it is
[00:42] <superm1> are you looking to get the beta?
[00:43] <squidly> actually I was having issues wiht the cd i downloaded
[00:43] <squidly> and I wanted to check and make sure I got the right one
[00:43] <squidly> or would it be possible to install from a xubuntu install disk?
[00:43] <superm1> did you get an 8.10 or 9.04 disk?
[00:43] <squidly> 8.10
[00:43] <superm1> ah
[00:43] <squidly> the disk keeps givin errors
[00:43] <superm1> well you can grab it again from one of the mirrors that is still up (cdimages.mythbuntu.org)
[00:45] <squidly> what is the diff between desktop and desktop-proper?
[00:46] <superm1> desktop was probably a bad upload
[00:46] <superm1> desktop-proper is the proper
[00:46] <squidly> that is what I thought
[00:46] <squidly> thanks :D
[00:48] <squidly> i dled the alt-install before. propbibaly a bad idea
[00:49] <superm1> alt doesnt work well
[00:49] <superm1> we're only supporting desktop for 9.04
[00:50] <squidly> I guessed as much
[00:51] <squidly> does desktop support autologin for a frontend?
[00:51] <superm1> ya
[00:51] <squidly> rock on
[00:51] <squidly> that is what I need :D
[00:53] <tazsta> howdy all ive installed the 9.04 beta and everything im using it for works great, except the live tv is a bit slow eg. low framerate. sound is fine. its a nvidia geforce 7300 LE card. any ideas?
[00:53] <superm1> tazsta, are you on the closed source drivers?
[00:54] <superm1> i'd guess so as the open source are likely causing segfaults due to a mesa bug for a lot f people
[00:55] <tazsta> when i was doing the setup i used the nvidia drivers with s-video output
[00:58] <superm1> okay, and it's working correctly for that right?
[00:59] <superm1> if so, then you see if the problem is only happening with live tv?  see if recorded tv shows do it too
[01:09] <squidly> superm1: thanks that is working a lot better
[01:10] <superm1> squidly, cool
[01:11] <pist0l-fish> are the ISOs at http://cdimages.mythbuntu.org/ liveCDs?
[01:12] <superm1> pist0l-fish,some of them are
[01:12] <superm1> anything that is "desktop" is a live disk
[01:12] <squidly> pist0l-fish: the desktop-proper can be, depending if you say it as a live cd
[01:12] <pist0l-fish> superm1: I installed mythbuntu via wubi and now I have an "install mythbuntu" icon on my desktop :)
[01:12] <superm1> pist0l-fish, you installed a wubi 9.04?
[01:13] <superm1> i've been wondering if that's working yet....
[01:13] <superm1> been meaning to test it
[01:13] <pist0l-fish> no, I got 8.10 after realizing that wubi 9.04 was being worked on
[01:13] <pist0l-fish> so the ones marked "proper" are live cds?
[01:13] <superm1> yeah
[01:13] <superm1> that's surprising that 8.10 wubi didn't work. it should have been working
[01:14] <superm1> but if you want to test 9.04 wubi, that'd be awesome....
[01:14] <pist0l-fish> I couldn't find a 9.04 release on sourceforge, I imagine they have it on their svn/git or something?
[01:15] <superm1> oh..
[01:16] <superm1> it comes on the ISO's for 9.04
[01:16] <pist0l-fish> superm1: can't seem to find it
[01:16] <superm1> or there should be a wubi.exe on cdimages.ubuntu.com i think
[01:16] <pist0l-fish> can't seem to find one
[01:16] <superm1> http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/wubi/jaunty/wubi-r120.exe
[01:16] <superm1> i'm not sure if the ISO grabbing even works
[01:17] <superm1> it'd be lovely if it did
[01:17] <superm1> but if not, you can put the 9.04 iso in the same directory as wubi.exe and it should be able to use it
[01:17] <pist0l-fish> ISO grabbing? as in wubi's fetching feature?
[01:17] <superm1> yeah
[01:17] <pist0l-fish> I don't think it would anyways because the mythbuntu server is down
[01:17] <pist0l-fish> are you on the dev team?
[01:17] <superm1> yeah
[01:17] <pist0l-fish> thought so
[01:18] <superm1> well it would grab the iso from cdimages.ubuntu.com actually
[01:18] <superm1> so it's okay if the mythbuntu.org server is down
[01:18] <pist0l-fish> this is the release I am testing: http://cdimages.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[01:18] <pist0l-fish> all good?
[01:18] <superm1> it'd be better if you can grab a daily tbh
[01:18] <superm1> from cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu
[01:19] <superm1> so much has changed since beta :)
[01:19] <pist0l-fish> superm1: I wonder how I got that live cd >_<
[01:20] <pist0l-fish> it's not even remotely proximal to the directory with the daily
[01:39] <tazsta> superm1: sorry for the delay, yes recorded programs playback fine
[01:40] <superm1> tazsta, then i would turn down the program guide overlay settings
[01:40] <superm1> it's probably too CPU intensive
[01:41] <tazsta> superm1: ok, where would i find those settings?
[01:45] <tazsta> superm1: found it, just trying it now ;)
[01:51] <pist0l-fish> superm1: do I have to give the ISO a certain name? or does wubi just inspect all *.iso files in the directory?
[01:54] <pist0l-fish> superm1: lol, hardcore fail, wubi. I put it in the same directory, and it started downloading an AMD ISO off the internet for my Intel Centrino Duo. That's bug #1
[01:54] <pist0l-fish> I'm going to disconnect, see what happens
[01:54] <Zinn> Bug 1 in clubdistro "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/1
[02:01] <pist0l-fish> superm1: got to step 6; the next/previous buttons remained inactive regardless of what was selected
[02:10] <superm1> pist0l-fish, what's step 6?
[02:11] <superm1> is that the partitioning step?
[02:12] <superm1> er no step 6 is install type isn't it
[02:13] <superm1> how did you get into the install that it was hung?  was that with wubi?
[02:16] <pist0l-fish> not sure what you're asking
[02:16] <Tazsta> superm1: fixed the problem, had to set my screen res down abit and also set the cpu settings in playback to normal instead of CPU++
[02:16] <superm1> Tazsta, awesome :)
[02:16] <superm1> pist0l-fish, how did you start the installer?
[02:16] <Tazsta> superm1: thanks heaps for ur help
[02:16] <pist0l-fish> i installed the ISO using wubi, booted Mythbuntu 9.04 and Mythbuntu began the install procedure
[02:17] <superm1> ah using wubi..
[02:17] <superm1> so it's possible the wubi preseed was broken
[02:17] <superm1> give me a sec
[02:17] <superm1> in the meanwhile, can you reboot into windows again?
[02:17] <superm1> i might be able to give you a fixed file right now
[02:18] <pist0l-fish> I'm on windiz right now
[02:18] <superm1> okay cool, can you see if C:\wubi has a preseed file?
[02:19] <pist0l-fish> I uninstalled it thinking that I would be doing this again >_<. Regardless of which, I don't think a C:\wubi was created, C:\ubuntu and C:\ubuntu-backup were. I may be wrong about that though
[02:19] <superm1> yeah that's probably what i meant
[02:19] <superm1> in there you should find something that's got preseed in the file name
[02:19] <pist0l-fish> yeah... about 'in there'
[02:19] <superm1> if you remove "ubiquity mythbuntu/install_type string Frontend", from there i believe it should let you proceed
[02:20] <pist0l-fish> it's kind of gone, 'in there'
[02:20] <pist0l-fish> i imagine the hard drive's still got it on there somewhere, but the inodes are definitely gone.
[02:20] <superm1> well can you run it once more then and before the reboot make that change?
[02:20] <pist0l-fish> haha, sure, I guess
[02:22] <pist0l-fish> superm1: will you still be here in half an hour?
[02:22] <superm1> yeah i should
[02:25] <superm1> hm interesting, when i tried to emulate that preseed (as best as possible w/o a true wubi), i made it to step 7, but i was able to go forward
[02:31] <pist0l-fish> superm1: should I try again without changing the preseed for testing purposes
[02:31] <superm1> pist0l-fish, na, if you know its gonna fail, there isn't much reason to
[02:32] <pist0l-fish> kk
[02:32] <superm1> just comment that line out (put a hash in front)
[02:34] <pist0l-fish> how big is the mythbuntu team?
[02:34] <superm1> it fluctuates, there's usually about 4-6 of us active at any given time
[02:35] <superm1> but several people that come around and help with docs or artwork or bugs here and there
[02:35] <pist0l-fish> are you lead?
[02:35] <superm1> yup
[02:36] <superm1> and i've done all the installer development, so i'm quite familiar with a lot of the installation code that we've added to ubiquity
[02:36] <yellowking> Thanks for the effort, superm1
[02:36] <superm1> np yellowking, it's still fun :)
[02:36] <squidly> how can I tell the difference between an VDF and an IR Display?
[02:36] <squidly> i mean lcd display?
[02:37] <tritium> squidly: Antec Fusion case?
[02:37] <squidly> tritium: yea
[02:37] <squidly> black
[02:37] <tritium> lspci is the best method
[02:37] <squidly> tritium: what am I looking for in lspci
[02:38] <tritium> sorry, lsusb
[02:38] <squidly> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 15c2:0038 SoundGraph Inc.
[02:38] <tritium> http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/getting-imon-0038-lcd-working-with-lirc.html
[02:39] <squidly> ty
[02:39] <squidly> i had the link before..
[02:39] <squidly> daugher closed out firefox for me :(
[02:39] <tritium> Note that there are two types of displays: VFD and LCD.  I believe they both have IR receivers.
[02:40] <squidly> yea they both have ir
[02:40] <squidly> how can I tell if I have a VFD or a LCD?
[02:40] <tritium> squidly: just pointing it out, given your original question
[02:41] <tritium> You have an LCD, based on the ID.
[02:41] <squidly> tritium: ok thanks
[02:41] <tritium> No problem.
[02:41]  * squidly is getting my frist MCPC setup
[02:41] <squidly> finally got the go from my fiancee to build one (actually I just go it and said I'm doing it)
[02:49] <superm1> pist0l-fish, oh you know what!, i think i know what the problem is
[02:50] <superm1> wubi isn't grabbing the preseed for mythbuntu
[02:50] <superm1> its using the ubuntu preseed
[02:50] <squidly> tritium: the links to ronfrazier.net doent work on the page :(
[02:50] <pist0l-fish> superm1: glad you got it
[02:50] <superm1> pist0l-fish, http://pastebin.com/f626f9aca replace it with that, and put your user name and password that you want into that
[02:50] <pist0l-fish> superm1: who is in charge of wubi though?
[02:51] <superm1> ago (aka xivulon)
[02:51] <superm1> i'll look through his code and see if it's obvious how to fix, but i'm not sure it will be
[02:52] <pist0l-fish> superm1: I am assuming I would replace $(username) with pist0l-fish, correct?
[02:53] <superm1> pist0l-fish, with whatever you want your mythbuntu login name to be
[02:53] <pist0l-fish> superm1: okay, just confused about the syntax. is $(...) a variable?
[02:54] <pist0l-fish> preseeds are bash-esque?
[02:54] <superm1> in some ways
[02:55] <pist0l-fish> i should look into this, I do not know as much as I would like to about *nixes
[02:55] <superm1> well the code behind all this is stacked and gets more and more advanced
[02:55] <superm1> so i might recommend starting in some easier areas :)
[03:00] <pist0l-fish> superm1: any specific suggestions?
[03:00] <superm1> pist0l-fish, well what's your background?  it's best to start looking at stuff pertinent to your background or interests
[03:02] <superm1> pist0l-fish, i just realized there is another section you need to grab from the existing preseed
[03:02] <superm1> you need to fill in the $(partitioning) part with the stuff that was in the partitioning section in the old one
[03:02] <pist0l-fish> superm1: been coding for 8 years, studying computing science. Know a variety of stuff, just never worked on a nix at a low-level, it so happens to be
[03:03] <superm1> i've filed bug 359834 for ago to get the right preseed picked in the future
[03:03] <Zinn> Bug 359834 in wubi "Wubi r120 does not use mythbuntu.preseed on mythbuntu installs" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/359834
[03:03] <superm1> pist0l-fish, okay so you might be able to help get your hands dirty with bugs then
[03:05] <superm1> what's your favorite lang to work with?
[03:05] <pist0l-fish> superm1: i like C(++)
[03:05] <pist0l-fish> I guess if I had to pick, C++
[03:05] <superm1> pist0l-fish, cool.  so maybe helping out with little mythtv annoyances and bugs would be a great area that needs some loving
[03:05] <superm1> we have been trying to write all the nice addons and what not for mythbuntu in python
[03:05] <superm1> that's been my lang of choice to work with since starting the project
[03:05] <superm1> so the installer, mcc, the log grabber, the lirc parser, the autostart application - all python
[03:06] <pist0l-fish> superm1: i knew python at one point. I would just have to refamiliarize myself with the syntax
[03:07] <pist0l-fish> superm1: but I would be down to lend a hand, I have 2 weeks of summer coming up that I will be spending working on a personal project and lazing around
[03:07] <superm1> yeah it's a really easy language to pick up.  i know C, but i love how easy development is in python.  the lack of compiling makes it so much easier to work with
[03:07] <superm1> cool :)
[03:08] <pist0l-fish> ...and parsing makes it kinda slow too. But this is coming from someone whose main desktop (i am putting mythtv on the family computer at the moment) is archaic
[03:09] <superm1> yeah i think on most modern boxes, the tradeoff is negligible for what we do with it
[03:10] <pist0l-fish> where was in the C:\ubuntu directory?
 in my wubi simulation environment i'm still seeing problems after fixing the preseed, so you know i'd say this likely still wont work


[12:45] <nukent> hello
[14:15] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[18:20] <mgariepy> ls
[19:33] <highvoltage> mgariepy: No such file or directory
[19:35] <mgariepy> the I/O wait here is quite high.. this system doen't respond fast enough i think..


[00:04] <pcjc2> There was one on the list today... fixed a crash with only TV output enabled, when into git _RIGHT_ away.. some people get special treatment ;)
[00:11] <bryce> there's been a bunch of TVout quirks added to git I see
[00:11] <bryce> which we may want to consider rolling together... might help with bug 13164 and probably others
[00:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 13164 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No sound from snd_intel8x0 on Acer4001WLMi Laptop ("semaphore is not ready")" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13164
[00:12] <bryce> er, bug 131646
[00:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131646 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "only a  part of the desktop is useable with native screen resolution and Intel graphic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131646
[00:13] <pcjc2> I was thinking about that clone modes vs. short gnome panels problem
[00:14] <pcjc2> For me, the "correct" fix has to be one of either... a) Pick min res of all cloned screens, and use that for all
[00:14] <pcjc2> b) Perhaps for LCD panels which won't scale nicely, we should have the option of centering a smaller mode on a screen at the native resolution (black borders)
[00:17] <tormod> hi, about the mime types, everything *.log or *.log.old is probably text/plain. Ask in #launchpad.
[00:29] <bryce> heya tormod
[00:29] <bryce> actually .log is ok, but I've also noticed .old isn't
[00:30] <bryce> tormod, btw I wanted to ask your opinion about -ati driver patches - do you know of any we ought to sru for gutsy?
[00:32] <tormod> many of the git commits are so dependent on each other that it just makes sense to do them all...
[00:33] <tormod> you think about other patches from suse etc?
[00:34] <tormod> for distro-patches not in git, I just ask is there a reason they are not in git?
[00:34] <bryce> I identified quite a few there on the X/Patches page but I didn't look at them (I was mostly searching for -intel patches, but figured I'd list the -nv and -ati ones while I was at it)
[00:38] <tormod> when I find time, I can look through them and in the first place see if some are obsolete or do not apply any longer.
[00:39] <tormod> I looked at them quickly today, some seem very intrusive...
[00:47]  * _jz 18 hours with feisty's xserver-xorg-video-ati under gutsy, and no freeze :)
[00:47] <bryce> tormod: thanks
[00:48] <bryce> tormod: yeah if they look too intrusive and risky, that'd be another thing to note; we probably wouldn't want to use them unless they fixed especially critical issues we have
[00:54] <tormod> is the whole X/Patches page about SRU to gutsy?
[00:56] <bryce> that's the main purpose
[00:56] <bryce> but also for tracking patches that other distros are carrying, with our review of them so we know if we should carry them too or not
[00:56] <tormod> I guess the xorg git things will get into hardy through new releases
[00:56] <bryce> right
[00:56] <pcjc2> http://launchpad.net/bugs/156888
[00:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156888 in malone "Xorg.0.log.old attachments not recognized as text/plain" [Undecided,New]
[01:05] <tormod> many radeonhd commits today! uploaded a new version to my ppa. (just hope I got everything right - the feedback in the upload process sucks)
[01:07] <tormod> g'night
[06:57] <tepsipakki> the suse ati-patches are all really old
[06:57] <tepsipakki> >1.5 years
[06:58] <tepsipakki> one of them touches radeon_mergedfb.c so that is clearly obsolete
[07:22] <bryce> are all of them obsolete?
[07:23] <bryce> (if they are, I'll mark them all so)
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #131324 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Can't suspend or hybernate with fglrx drivers on Radeon XPRESS 200M" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131324
[07:47] <tepsipakki> bryce: I'm not sure yet
[07:48] <tepsipakki> I'll try them against the one we have
[07:48] <bryce> ok, and go ahead and mark ones 'obsolete' or whatever as you're certain about them
[07:52] <tepsipakki> btw, what did you think of the coloring idea I had? "green" seems to me as if it's done :)
[07:52] <tepsipakki> yellow would be pending, and red or something for open items
[07:52] <tepsipakki> hmm, or reserve red for critical ones
[07:53] <bryce> yeah I was thinking about red for critical
[07:54] <bryce> yellow for pending sounds good (actually lightyellow looks less intense)
[07:54] <bryce> I sort of like gray for done since that suggests "this line is no longer important"
[07:55] <tepsipakki> I reordered the items so that the list could be reused for next releases, and work through them in order
[07:55] <bryce> I could go with something different then green if you'd prefer - we'd only need to change it at the start of each table
[07:55] <tepsipakki> ok, np
[07:55] <bryce> excellent
[07:56] <bryce> today I went through all the High importance -intel bugs and updated a bunch
[07:57] <tepsipakki> need to take the kids to a photographer, bbl ->
[07:57] <tepsipakki> I'll check those later :)
[07:58] <bryce> I also found one (bug 51991) that sounds sort of akin to the issue I was describing earlier... xorg freeze after arbitrary period of time.  Not certain, but I'm going to keep an eye on it.
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 51991 in xorg "Xorg process freezes, uses 100% of CPU. Can be killed by remote terminal." [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51991
[07:58] <bryce> cya
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #155476 in compiz (main) "850 mb of memory used in compiz (Gutsy 64 bits) (dup-of: 151168)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155476
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #156833 in kpowersave (universe) "Hibernate broken in Gutsy (dup-of: 121653)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156833
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #152294 in ubuntu "hibernation problem under ubuntu/gutsy-rc (dup-of: 121653)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152294
[14:59] <ubotu> New bug: #140684 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in _nv000044gl()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140684
[15:33] <ubotu> New bug: #150102 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150102
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #157112 in xorg (main) "Xorg process eating memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157112
[18:33] <tormod> can I propose xorg-server patches (from git) on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Fixes_to_Backport?
[19:09] <bryce> tormod: yes, but put them on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Patches
[19:10] <bryce> the Fixes_to_Backport page is mostly out of date now that xserver 1.4 is in
[19:26] <tepsipakki> bryce: the server won't be built before my sync requests have been handled
[19:26] <tepsipakki> which will happen some time next week I guess
[19:43] <bryce> tepsipakki: ok; will that be a problem?
[19:43] <bryce> will we just need to put in build requests?
[19:44] <tepsipakki> that's no problem, we can upload packages to the queue at will
[19:46] <bryce> btw, do you know offhand, is hdmi out supported on -ati?
[19:54] <tepsipakki> no, since those all are r5/6xx-cards :)
[19:54] <bryce> thought so
[19:55] <tepsipakki> it'll probably require a binary module for the kernel
[21:15] <ubotu> New bug: #157209 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "nvidia-glx-new with Quadro NVS 140M issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157209
[21:30] <ubotu> New bug: #157213 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Incorrect refresh rate probed from bad BIOS tables in 855GM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157213
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #157214 in xorg (main) "X fails to start after upgrade from fiesty with Radeon 9600 dual monitors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157214
[23:40] <ubotu> New bug: #157254 in xorg (main) "Crash Gutsy Gibbon, at boot system with Via S3 Unichrome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157254


[23:47] <Eickmeyer> teward, RikMills: If you're available, I can haz testimonial? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Eickmeyer/MOTUApplication
[23:49] <RikMills> cr*p, yeah, doubt tonight, but it will be there soon
[23:50] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: No worries. :)


[04:02] <guiverc_t> pleia2, PaulW2U :  UWN:  Leo Arias has added planet article, "test a stable release update"; plus another insight article added this morning (my time/saturday).  i've not added; but will read & make decision if you'd like
[04:09] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Yes please :)
[04:09] <tsimonq2> I think it's ok...
[04:19] <guiverc_t> :)  i've done it many times before; usually commented my adds etc.  they appeared in planet after last edit to uwn-doc (excluding my edits)..
[04:25] <guiverc_t> ps.  i didn't see/notice summary email; though that is what i'm mainly doing.  (its now ~habit)
[08:10] <pleia2> I'll have a closer look in my morning, too tired tonight :\
[18:58] <pleia2> sent to summary writers, sorry for the delay
[19:03] <pleia2> it'll be a lean issue, but not terrible :) I'll work to release it on monday, then issue 493 will be the 2-weeks-over-the-holidays one


[05:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[05:52] <zxmoy-pi>  morning mammals
[05:53] <brobostigon> morning elven beings
[10:22] <daftykins> good news everyone \o/ after a month sat in the local courier agent's office, my faulty phone will be delivered to the repair centre in Milton Keynes this afternoon :D
[10:24] <diplo> "Maybe"
[10:24] <daftykins> hehe yeah pretty much
[10:25] <daftykins> my old backup, a Nexus 4, is such a lemon now that when i wake up and try to switch on wifi it requires a restart before it'll succeed
[10:40] <diplo> Whats the broken one ?
[10:40] <diplo> The joys of living in the sticks :D
[10:42] <daftykins> a Nexus 5x!
[10:43] <daftykins> hehe yeah down here in the English Channel is most definitely the sticks whenever it comes to trying to ship something up to the motherland
[10:43] <diplo> I see you have problems on and off :)
[10:43] <daftykins> LG have about 5 or more phones which all have CPUs that detach, causing a bootloop
[10:43] <diplo> I'm looking at a second hand 5x to try plasma mobile and ubuntu touch
[10:44] <daftykins> ah right, probably best avoided - they're known to have this issue and are unlikely to ever be truly fixed
[10:44] <daftykins> story goes that the bootloader will be permanently locked on the one i get back, too
[10:45] <diplo> :/
[10:47] <daftykins> if it ever happens ;D
[10:47] <diplo> Still busy with work ?
[10:47] <daftykins> i'd kinda hoped they'd lost it so i could pursue some other compensation
[10:48] <daftykins> mmm i should be catching up on some invoicing today, but i'm mostly waiting on other folks really
[10:48] <daftykins> went and popped in a new PC for a client earlier in the week, but need another SSD before i can carry on with more tasks there - great i got it out of the way before the temperatures climbed more
[10:49] <daftykins> even the low 20s slay me when cycling
[10:49] <daftykins> hows about yourself? :)
[10:51] <diplo> Do you have the market for IT work there then ?
[10:51] <diplo> I'm good, busy as under staffed, but other than that good :)
[10:54] <daftykins> ah ha - yeah, my clientelle is pretty small, but i don't mind the small business support - it's the wealthy guy with the 3 homes that mostly pays the bills though :D always something to do for him and his family
[10:55] <diplo> But not depending on him though? all eggs in one basket type of thing
[10:55] <daftykins> i could definitely do with growing things, he's no spring chicken now... approaching 70
[10:56] <diplo> I keep debating doing private business, but think I'd miss my work side of my job and the support side may drive me insane, even if the money is good
[10:56] <daftykins> young wife and 4 year old son though, heh
[10:56] <diplo> Bloomin eck!
[10:56] <diplo> So you carry on with her after :)
[10:57] <daftykins> haha, not sure what she'll end up doing, she's a business type who keeps her fingers in several pies but none of them seem to really go the distance that i've seen
[10:57] <daftykins> the latest venture is a charity for funding the under-financed off to University and so on in England
[10:57] <daftykins> what's your main field of work, then?
[10:58] <diplo> Man of many hats, but work for a software company, mainly doing sysadmin type stuff, but have to keep doing support which is driving me to think to leave
[10:58] <daftykins> hrmm support for in-house folk or more the company's customers using the products?
[10:58] <diplo> Support about 100 customers machines, automation etc, and all of the about
[10:59] <diplo> above*
[10:59] <daftykins> hmm decently varied then?
[10:59] <diplo> Yeah which is why I've stayed, but no money to spend, everything is a chore to sort out etc
[11:00] <diplo> Automated our installation that used to take 2-3 days to 30 mins - I want to do stuff like that :) lots to do, just not enough time
[11:00] <diplo> Just off to grab some lunch bbiab
[11:00] <daftykins> i only seem to encounter roadblocks when i have to deal with other folks - one client, a metal work company, have had their website redone by a guy who doesn't respond to emails at all :S
[11:00] <daftykins> enjoy!
[12:17] <diplo> yeah that's a big problem for us with third part IT companies and web companies, is getting responses
[12:18] <daftykins> bit shocking when a month goes by, mmm
[12:22] <diplo> I've given up caring now, customer wants to use third party IT companies, that's fine... I just won't chase them
[12:23] <daftykins> years ago i had this situation where i was putting in (what was) Google Apps for someone, their website guy held the keys to the domain - so it took 2 months to get him to set the MX records so we could start using it
[12:23] <daftykins> totally bypassed the month free trial
[12:24] <daftykins> just got confirmation on the DPD tracking that my phone got delivered to the repair centre :D
[12:24] <daftykins> now i wonder how long they'll spin this next bit out
[12:24] <daftykins> they don't even fix them, just do a motherboard swap inside my original and post it back
[13:23] <diplo> Yeah we have people like that, not sure why they're like it, don't want to lose control or something, our company just does stuff straight away
[13:23] <diplo> And woohoo, now another 6 months to return the phone
[13:24] <daftykins> :D
[13:36] <halt> Hey guys, I'm using an external drive for backups, but I don't trust the data consistency, is there a program for Linux what can fresh the data content, while validating integrity with some hashing like the RAID ?
[13:37] <daftykins> rsync source to destination would check the files if that's what you want
[13:39] <diplo> Or programs like duplicity etc do checks as well
[13:39] <daftykins> !backup
[13:39] <daftykins> :D
[13:40] <diplo> Mondo, haven't heard of that for years!
[13:40] <diplo> Is that still a thing
[13:41] <diplo> It appears it is...
[13:41] <diplo> Hmm website doesn't load mind :)
[13:41] <daftykins> well, as with the condition of the ubuntu wiki, most of the factoids are hidden behind folk who won't update them, so i'd not be surprised :D
[13:46] <diplo> I really want to hash out a better backup strategy for work, customers won't pay money and I hate what we do.. so want to find something I can deploy to all our customers and that I can update and only need to update configs :)
[13:48] <daftykins> i have the classic where a client wants to be safe from ransomware but don't want to lift a finger
[13:49] <daftykins> at one point i was going to get them a nice 2 bay synology NAS for at home, like i have done for many folks, then send the backups remotely to their home - but then they went and got a silly Apple TimeCapsule thing without asking me first, so it wasn't capable of my plan
[13:49] <diplo> We currently tgz dirs at night and sometimes backup to usb, I'd rather have a software solution than my python/bash scripts
[13:50] <diplo> Yeah customers making silly decisions
[13:50] <diplo> We sold a customer a server about 6 years ago, with tape drive, tapes were sold with it and shown how to swap,  I went to that site 3 weeks ago, they've never swapped tapes :P
[13:50] <daftykins> was kinda funny them getting convinced into buying an iMac for home to begin with, they eventually got so annoyed since they didn't know how to use macOS - they asked me to put Windows on it xD
[13:50] <diplo> Or taken them offsite
[13:50] <daftykins> ouch
[13:51] <diplo> I'm so scared about our customers, but you can't protect stupid
[13:51] <daftykins> mmm, lead a horse to water and all that
[13:52] <diplo> I'm compiling a list of whats happening on sites atm, going to try and upsell products/backup solutions
[13:52] <daftykins> that main guy has been 'trained' up on using whatsapp calling when he's off in London / Europe to call back home so he doesn't get killed for calling the Guernsey numbers (they tend to be 40p/min+ for most UK telcos) but he always forgets
[13:52] <diplo> hahah
[13:52] <daftykins> £120 bill in 3 days
[13:52] <diplo> Bloody 'ell!
[13:53] <halt> I don't think neither of the options above would work, I'm using restic for backup, more like to archive so the drive is offline and just sitting idle, but of course have other copy's
[13:54] <daftykins> why do you think it won't work?
[13:54] <daftykins> if they aren't a fit then we might be missing something in your explanation of what you do to say why that is
[13:54] <halt> Duplicity, rsync, Mondo
[13:54] <daftykins> those are just the names again, not explanations of why they won't help
[13:55] <halt> I have an SSD drive I want to refresh the info on it, as it was not used and the SSD-s are leaking and forgetting with time if not used
[13:58] <daftykins> storage leaking and forgetting data, ok now you're firmly in troll territory
[13:58] <diplo> So rsync data from /home to /mnt/usb or whatever the path is, could also dpkg --list the prgrams you have installed too ? Still not sure what you are trying to achieve that those programs can't hepl with
[13:58] <halt> the the list of tech listed above are suggesting new backup solutions, however I just want to read up the content, validate that it's not corrupted, and write it back so fresh it up
[13:59] <daftykins> if you believe the integrity of the data on this/these SSD(s) is compromised, they should not be being used
[14:01] <daftykins> halt: yeah you haven't paid attention to what i said, have a great day.
[14:03] <daftykins> sounds like it's another translator question asker
[14:05] <halt> No I'm not trolling,I asking for help and yet what you talked about does not looks like relevant( and yes I read it, and I *think* I understood ) , there are software like this for windows like http://www.puransoftware.com/DiskFresh.html, the question is that, I have a set of data what I want to ensure to remain recoverable, it's an archive, so no new backups, no sync, no copy, but then clearly I did not managed to explain the problem clearly
[14:06] <daftykins> rsync compares source to destination to verify if they match, i fail to see how that is not what you want
[14:07] <daftykins> if you are translating this query i think you should find somewhere that speaks your mother tongue
[14:09] <halt> there is NO src and destination, there is A drive, so things like SpinRite, HDD Regenerator, DiskFresh, that kind of tool I'm searching for Linux, but there I will search somewhere else, as clearly I will not get an answer, and thank you very much
[14:10] <daftykins> ah so it's not really a backup at all, you have known bad media and you're leaving data you care about on it
[14:10] <daftykins> that's not very clever
[14:12] <daftykins> those programs are pretty widely regarded as snakeoil
[14:19] <diplo> brb, rebooting VPS
[14:20] <halt> well.. yet an other wrong presumption, ( I need backup, I'm not British, I have a bad drive ) My drives, are all fine SMART data even HDSentinel show 100% , but there not in use, so following the wisdom of many sysadmin who claim, having backup worth nothing unless you test it time to time, I'm applying this idea to the archives, but I would prefer to do a full recovery test only every ~10 years, what I'm after now is data refreshing once every year o
[14:23] <daftykins> you said backup, but now you say it's not a copy from a source to destination, so then it's not... how many more things will change each time you try to explain it?
[14:24] <daftykins> 100% as applied to an SSD speaks only if its' NAND write endurance remaining, there are a lot more things to consider
[14:24] <daftykins> it's not a backup if it's the only place the data is :) (as you seem to have explained)
[14:27] <daftykins> let's go back to your original query and see why two people both got the idea you required something to compare two data sets, one of which being a backup of the other
[14:27] <daftykins> "< halt> Hey guys, I'm using an external drive for backups..."
[14:27] <daftykins> i'm now going to set an ignore so feel free to go somewhere else, but if you keep presenting garbage to people and wanting diamonds in return, you're going to have a bad time
[14:28] <halt> :) you are a funny one, but I don't have time for this trolling now, so will back when someone actually want to help, have a nice day
[14:34] <halt> ps. I suggest to check what HDSentinel does, as that you clearly missed, it's way more then "NAND write endurance remaining" and in fact more then just the collection of all the SMART data
[14:35] <daftykins> wb
[14:39] <diplo> ta, wouldn't auth automatically, hadn't noticed... also need to investigate, took forever for server to reboot
[14:39] <diplo> stuck at mysqld forever
[14:40] <daftykins> ruh roh
[14:40] <daftykins> never a dull moment (:
[14:43] <diplo> Well I never touch the box apart from updates
[14:43] <diplo> But thinking of moving my nextcloud instance to it etc
[14:44] <daftykins> ah yeah, i do love nextcloud - aiming to put it in for that co. once i take over the website hosting too, although i need to refresh my understanding of how the letsencrypt wildcard certs work, as the DNS method is totally impractical for me
[14:56] <diplo> I am about to test Wildcards this weekend
[14:56] <diplo> Sorry working on multi screens, forget to look back to the right
[14:57] <daftykins> np :D
[14:57] <daftykins> i tried out the DNS method but me and my friends have domains all with an unsupported registrar, so having to login and manually update a TXT record every 60 days isn't very practical
[14:57] <daftykins> i should look at the others
[14:58] <diplo> I've moved mine to DO's dns, but also about to try route53 for work for the same reasons
[14:59] <daftykins> ah that'd be a lot easier then
[14:59] <diplo> For doing internal dns so custname.domain.tld for our internal webapp so we don't have "not secure" :)
[15:02] <daftykins> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-acme-acme-03#section-7.2
[15:02] <daftykins> ah ha this would be far better than DNS
[15:05] <diplo> I use http validation currently
[15:06] <diplo> Moving to dns-01 for work, as the internal sites can't do http externally
[15:07] <daftykins> ah, something i'm reading claims http-01 is not an option for wildcards
[15:13] <daftykins> hmm could move these domains to cloudflare nameservers
[15:21] <diplo> or that, but yeah is wildcard not dns-01 ?
[15:22] <daftykins> it is, it can't be used with http-01 unfortunately, so i couldn't easily implement that which would work for me
[15:23] <daftykins> right now i would have to SSH into my VPS, run the request command to renew the wildcard cert, copy and paste the TXT record value manually into a friends domain control panel and sit and wait for it to be returned via CLI utilities as correctly having updated before i hit enter (since it checks it)
[15:24] <daftykins> so yeah i really should move to a supported DNS service
[15:24] <diplo> Yeah that was my problem, which is why I've created a Route53
[15:24] <diplo> We've got cpanel, evne less supported