[06:17] <pitti> Good morning
[09:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:02] <Mirv> seb128: good morning, you have silos for all your desktop landings
[09:02] <seb128> Mirv, hey, you are the best, thanks
[09:02] <seb128> Mirv, I promise I'm going to drive them through and free back the silos ;-)
[09:03] <Mirv> great :)
[09:07] <Laney> morning!
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[09:09] <Laney> seb128: thanks for pinging other people ;-)
[09:09] <hikiko> hello :)
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, yw!
[09:09] <Laney> I'm good, although we got back late yesterday from playing games so a bit tired
[09:09] <Laney> "40-60 minutes" LIES
[09:09] <seb128> haha
[09:09] <seb128> that's the time if you play
[09:09] <seb128> not if you do a round in between 2 beers :p
[09:09] <Laney> haha, there were no beers :P
[09:10] <Laney> maybe if you don't think about your tactics at all or something
[09:10] <Laney> Subject: [Build #5828630] armhf build of webkitgtk 2.3.92-1ubuntu1~ppa2 in ubuntu trusty RELEASE (canonical-arm-dev PPA)
[09:10] <Laney> bah
[09:11] <seb128> :-(
[09:12] <seb128> that list discussion made me want to see what "diplomacy" is
[09:12] <seb128> mterry said to play if you don't mind losing some friends :p
[09:13] <Laney> not played that one
[09:14] <Laney> http://www.shutupandsitdown.com/blog/post/review-libertalia/ it was this
[09:16] <seb128> cool
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, darkxst: so, thinking about that gnome-desktop ffe ... what needs the new version? g-c-c/g-s-d/gnome-shell?
[09:17] <seb128> could we just package the new one as a different source in the archive (I guess it changed soname since it had abi changes) and just make those 3 use the new lib?
[09:18] <seb128> I don't think we have any of those 3 that would end up with the 2 versions in process, but we should check to make sure
[09:18] <seb128> so other desktop would end up only having the current one
[09:18] <seb128> GNOME would have both versions installed but that should be minimal issues
[09:22] <Laney> Not sure, would need darkxst to clarify
[09:22] <Laney> if anything could end up loading both in the same process you'd have problems I guess
[09:27] <seb128> Laney, libgnome-desktop-3-7 rdepends don't include any lib
[09:27] <seb128> so we should be safe
[09:28] <seb128> well anyway, it's just a suggestion as a possible solution for the GNOME remix
[09:28] <Laney> I thought I saw mutter and/or libevo there
[09:28] <seb128> libevo is not a real lib
[09:28] <seb128> it's a collection of .so for evolution
[09:29] <seb128> it has no rdepends out of evo
[09:29] <seb128> mutter = gnome-shell
[09:29] <seb128> that would load only the new one
[09:29] <Laney> if you say so :-)
[09:30] <seb128> well, there might be an issue, but if they really need the update to me it looks it could work and is work trying/investigating
[09:30] <seb128> is worth*
[09:31] <xnox> is there like an icon factory to query an icon from current/default gnome theme?
[09:32] <xnox> glade to the rescue!
[09:38] <seb128> xnox, http://iloveubuntu.net/icon-library-10-released-support-ubuntu-1304-and-ubuntu-1310
[09:39] <seb128> xnox, you can just get https://launchpad.net/icon-library/trunk/lucid-release/+download/iconlibrary02052010.tar.gz untar and run from srcdir
[09:57] <xnox> seb128: thanks! that helped a lot.
[09:57] <xnox> seb128: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/170111173/wrong-icons.png
[10:43] <seb128> xnox, still having that icon theme issue?
[10:45] <xnox> seb128: yes.
[10:45] <seb128> xnox, can you edit /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UpdateManager/UpdatesAvailable.py
[10:45] <seb128> xnox, l235
[10:45] <seb128> xnox, change it to         self.app_icons = Gtk.IconTheme.get_default()
[10:45] <seb128> e.g add the get_default()
[10:45] <seb128> then try again to see if that fixes it?
[10:47] <ochosi> fwiw, i can confirm this icon-issue in xubuntu
[10:47] <ochosi> it appeared a few weeks ago
[10:47] <seb128> ochosi, ^
[10:47] <xnox> ochosi: it's been like that forever.
[10:47] <seb128> can you try that change?
[10:47] <ochosi> sure, one sec
[10:49] <xnox> seb128: yeap, i get everything wonderful now ! \o/
[10:49] <ochosi> yup, that works
[10:49] <seb128> xnox, ochosi, great, let me mp that, thanks for testing
[10:49] <xnox> seb128: =))))))))))) trusty is going to be so smooth ;-)
[10:49] <seb128> ;-)
[10:50] <seb128> why am I fixing mvo's bugs btw? he's back soon, he should do that ;-)
[10:50] <ochosi> no problem and thanks a lot for that fix seb128!
[10:50] <ochosi> hehe
[10:52] <xnox> seb128: don't you try punting - gtk, theming, issues, on others =))))))) it's not like it's never gtk's fault ;-)
[10:52] <seb128> hehe
[10:56] <seb128> xnox, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/update-manager/correct-icon-theme/+merge/211904
[11:06] <seb128> xnox, ok, fix merged, I'm not doing an upload for it, but feel free to do it if there is nothing else pending for update-manager/you think it's worth an upload by itself
[11:08] <xnox> oh right, cause i'm supposedly update-manager maintainer, ain't I.
[11:09]  * xnox can't wait for mvo to come back =)
[11:10] <seb128> ;-)
[11:23] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128
[11:24] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[11:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gunnarhj/whats-new.html updated.
[11:24] <GunnarHj> New wording in item 5.1 - it previously said "literally hundreds of different online sources", but we felt last night that it might not be correct.
[11:24] <GunnarHj> Do you know the approximate true number?
[11:24] <seb128> GunnarHj, check with mhr3
[11:24] <seb128> he's working on dash/scopes
[11:24] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, thanks.
[11:26] <davidcalle> GunnarHj, seb128, it's more around 70 (if we count the various video sources that merged under the label "online videos")
[11:27] <GunnarHj> davidcalle: So "dozens" is more correct than "literally hundreds" then?
[11:27] <davidcalle> GunnarHj, I would say so :)
[11:28] <GunnarHj> davidcalle: Ok, I think that's what I needed. Thanks!
[11:28] <davidcalle> GunnarHj, np
[11:31] <seb128> davidcalle, hey
[11:31] <seb128> davidcalle, do you maintain the manpage scope? ;-)
[11:31] <davidcalle> seb128, yeaaaah... That's a trap, right? :)
[11:33] <davidcalle> seb128, oh, it's broken!
[11:34] <seb128> davidcalle, not sure it's broken, but apport triggers every time you type "disk<enter>" in the dash
[11:34] <seb128> which is quite annoying
[11:34] <seb128> mhr3 said it's the manpages scope
[11:34] <seb128> bug #1274669
[11:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1274669 in libunity (Ubuntu) "scope-runner-dbus.py crashed with signal 5 in g_variant_new_va()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274669
[11:34] <davidcalle> seb128, that sounds like it. Thanks for the heads-up.
[11:35] <seb128> yw, would be great if that could be fixed before release ;-)
[11:35] <seb128> thanks for looking at it!
[11:36] <davidcalle> seb128, yep
[11:38] <seb128> great
[11:43] <seb128> webkit 3 - 0 Laney
[11:44] <Laney> ∞
[11:44] <Laney> that PPA needs to stop telling tales on me
[11:44] <seb128> haha
[11:47] <seb128> Laney, btw still planning to review the u-s-s/click branch?
[11:47] <Laney> I'm doing it now
[11:47] <seb128> great, thanks
[11:52] <desrt> good morning
[12:03] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[12:04] <desrt> starting my coffee intake :)
[12:04] <desrt> pitti: i wanted to ask about your jenkins jhbuilding the other day ...
[12:04] <desrt> i guess you stopped doing this?
[12:04] <pitti> desrt: yes; I replied to you, you didn't see it?
[12:04] <desrt> no...
[12:05] <pitti> desrt: yes, it hasn't been maintained for a fair while; it didn't raise that much interest, it seems largely superseded by gnome-continuous
[12:05] <desrt> pitti: it's also a 404 :)
[12:06] <pitti> desrt: and we (as in Ubuntun desktop) haven't spent much time on GNOME recently
[12:06] <desrt> i'm considering reviving it
[12:06] <desrt> perhaps in an altered form
[12:20] <Laney> gatox: should I be able to use your click mock service on the phone?
[12:23] <gatox> Laney, no idea, i don't have a phone to test it there, and the emulator doesn't work here
[12:24] <Laney> ok, doesn't work for me
[12:24] <gatox> Laney, it works on the desktop
[12:25] <Laney> yeah i wanted to check it on the phone
[12:26] <gatox> Laney, i don't think the python app can start a process with ui in the phone, right??
[12:27] <gatox> Laney, are you starting the ui manually, or the python process is doing it?
[12:27] <Laney> the latter
[12:27] <Laney> you have to pass that weird flag --desktop_file_hint
[12:27] <Laney> but the updates panel comes up empty
[12:28] <gatox> Laney, well, something in the way apps are launched in the phone can be doing something there and probably not usinng the env vars that the python process define
[12:35] <Laney> gatox: ok, trying it on the desktop, can I get it to present an update?
[12:36] <Laney> I just get 'software is up to date'
[12:37] <gatox> Laney, running the mock service you should see 2 updates
[12:38] <Laney> hmm there's a critical on the console about signond
[12:38] <gatox> Laney, that is u1-creds
[12:42] <Laney> right
[12:42] <Laney> so i can't really test this
[12:46] <gatox> Laney, well... signon actually always shows some errors, but seems to work, maybe dobey can guide you on this
[12:49] <seb128> desrt, pitti: hey
[12:49] <dobey> ignore the signond critical afaik
[12:50] <dobey> but if you don't have a u1 account configured in online accounts, maybe it doesn't work?
[12:51] <dobey> you have to use the qml system-settings to add it though, not the gtk+ control center
[12:51] <Laney> I did
[12:53] <Laney> seb128: can you run gvim quickly for me and see if the menus look normal?
[12:57] <seb128> Laney, no they don't :p
[12:57] <seb128> they have underscores and utf-8 weird chars
[12:58] <ogra_> must be your weird language setting :P
[12:58] <seb128> but the keybinding in menus are non standard
[12:58] <ogra_> oh, wait, friday is tomorrow
[12:58] <seb128> e.g ^R
[12:58] <seb128> or :wq
[12:58] <seb128> I can imagine unity-gtk-module having issue with that
[12:58] <seb128> I wonder if we should blacklist or try to fix
[12:59] <seb128> that's one for attente in any case
[12:59] <Laney> ya, just checking if it was just me
[12:59] <seb128> (he in .nz atm so probably eod)
[12:59] <Laney> I get loads of glib criticals when running it from a terminal
[12:59] <pitti> hey seb128, ça va ?
[13:00] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[13:00] <pitti> seb128: good as well, although my wrist is still troubling
[13:02] <seb128> pitti, oh, what did you do (I think I asked earlier in the week when you said it was not ok but I'm not sure you replied/if I read the reply)
[13:02] <pitti> seb128: nothing too bad (a "ganglion"), but it'll need a little operation
[13:03] <seb128> oh ok :/
[13:03] <seb128> good luck with that
[13:03] <pitti> thanks
[13:04] <seb128> when are you getting it fixed?
[13:04] <seb128> do you know how long you are going to need to rest it/stop typing then?
[13:04] <pitti> seb128: I don't know yet, will know more next Monday
[13:05] <pitti> seb128: anyway, just sorting out travel for the client sprint, looking forward to Malta!
[13:05] <seb128> yeah, same here
[13:05] <seb128> I'm pondering taking some vac days to visit
[13:05] <pitti> seb128: I'll arrive on Friday already (paying the weekend nights for myself), so I can hang out with you guys and explore the island
[13:06] <seb128> oh
[13:06] <pitti> seb128: (I'll be there officially only for teh second week)
[13:06] <seb128> oh, same for me
[13:06] <seb128> second week
[13:06] <seb128> did you book hotel yet?
[13:06] <pitti> seb128: my parents had been there, they said it's a really nice island
[13:06] <pitti> seb128: no, booking flights first
[13:06] <seb128> I'm going to come on friday as well then, I was looking for people who want maybe to visit ;-)
[13:06] <pitti> seb128: I'll stay in the same hotel, much less trouble
[13:06] <seb128> I was thinking the same
[13:07] <pitti> seb128: I asked msm, we can just put that into a note in the spreadsheet, and the hotel will split the bill accordingly
[13:07] <seb128> great
[13:07] <seb128> want to share room for those extra days?
[13:07] <seb128> (if you don't have a roomie yet)
[13:07] <Laney> ah, I should have done that maybe
[13:07] <Laney> oh well
[13:08] <seb128> Laney, did you confirm flights yet?
[13:08] <Laney> yeah
[13:08] <pitti> seb128: sure; I was asking desrt as I thought you'd stay for two weeks
[13:08] <pitti> seb128: desrt wanted to get back to you as he already signed up with you
[13:08] <seb128> right
[13:08] <pitti> it's that big dating party again :)
[13:08] <seb128> there is some stories there
[13:08] <pitti> Laney: you might still be able to move them?
[13:08] <seb128> looks like mvo put my name
[13:08] <pitti> haha
[13:08] <seb128> but he didn't ask me
[13:08] <Laney> haha
[13:09] <Laney> I never bother to put anyone
[13:09] <seb128> I'm emailing him :p
[13:09] <seb128> Laney, you might end up with snorers!
[13:09] <Laney> true ...
[13:10] <pitti> seb128: well, so you+mvo, desrt+me perhaps?
[13:10] <pitti> desrt: ^
[13:10] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I was asking about those friday-saturday nights though
[13:10] <Laney> there would be some fee to change it now
[13:10] <seb128> pitti, I don't think desrt is coming earlier to visit
[13:10] <Laney> i'll leave it
[13:10] <desrt> seb128: i may :)
[13:10] <desrt> if others will be there as well
[13:10] <seb128> desrt, oh, I though you had booked already
[13:10] <desrt> not yet
[13:10] <desrt> should do that today maybe
[13:10] <seb128> party!
[13:10] <pitti> desrt: warning, I usually get up at 7 for some running (but I'll try to be quiet) :)
[13:11] <seb128> haha
[13:11] <desrt> pitti: warning: if seb is to be believed, i usually sleep on the floor
[13:11] <seb128> larsu, didrocks: you guys are not coming early to take some vac/visit? :-)
[13:11] <seb128> desrt, experience prove that's true!
[13:11] <seb128> I should have taken photos
[13:11] <seb128> ;-)
[13:11] <desrt> mvo: warning: seb128 takes pictures of sleeping roommates
[13:12] <didrocks> seb128: no, I will just enjoy my week-ends :p
[13:12] <pitti> . o O { OMG, I'm sooo glad that this is a private channel which isn't logged into the interwebs or anything }
[13:13] <desrt> (awkward silence)
[13:13] <pitti> I think we just found a new NP hard problem, the "sprint roommate assignment"
[13:14] <desrt> pitti: fortunately the problem distributes nicely
[13:14] <larsu> seb128: I probably am
[13:15] <larsu> or maybe staying late... don't know yet
[13:15]  * larsu is too lazy to read scrollback
[13:16] <desrt> larsu: you didn't miss much
[13:16] <larsu> looks like threre was a lot going on
[13:16] <larsu> I was fixing a bug in the meantime (hope you all feel bad now!)
[13:17] <desrt> larsu: did you sort the rhythmbox/gtk/atk/init thing?
[13:17] <larsu> I kind of came to the conclusion that it's not worth it
[13:17] <larsu> we should just fix mpros
[13:17] <larsu> *mrpis
[13:18] <seb128> larsu, seems like some of us are going to come early (I was pondering between both but pitti is coming early so that pretty much decided it for me ;-)
[13:18] <pitti> I'm honored :)
[13:18]  * desrt copies pitti too
[13:18] <larsu> early is better because there's another sprint before ours, right?
[13:19] <desrt> plus... by encouraging seb to be there early rather than late, and this being malta, we get to enjoy seb's red head all week
[13:19] <seb128> e.g coming on friday before
[13:19] <seb128> spending the w.e visiting
[13:19] <larsu> I will probably spend more than a weekend
[13:19] <larsu> a week or so
[13:19] <larsu> pitti: when are you going?
[13:20] <pitti> larsu: my plan is to arrive Friday, May 23
[13:21] <pitti> (asked for flights, but no answer yet)
[13:21] <pitti> larsu: until Friday evening or Sat morning
[13:21] <larsu> and travel around a bit on the weekend? Or just hanging out?
[13:21] <desrt> sitting!
[13:21] <pitti> larsu: both, I guess
[13:21] <larsu> desrt: this is why I didn't ask you: I knew the answer ;)
[13:21] <pitti> the neighbor island is just a quick boat trip away, and said to be marvellous
[13:21] <larsu> ah cool
[13:22] <pitti> and Malta itself certainly as well
[13:22] <desrt> zomg
[13:22] <desrt> coming on friday is basically impossible for me unless i want to pay _lots_
[13:22] <larsu> come a week before then ;)
[13:22] <larsu> I'm seriously considering that
[13:23] <seb128> desrt, hahaha
[13:23] <larsu> if my knee allows me to hike again...
[13:23] <larsu> desrt: did you see chergert's autotools wrapper?
[13:23] <seb128> larsu, desrt: I might be up for coming a bit earlier than friday as well
[13:24] <seb128> not sure how much there is there
[13:24] <seb128> like wednesday might be good enough for me
[13:24] <seb128> 4-5 days, the island is small enough
[13:26] <desrt> larsu: no.  i assume it is some sort of cargocult avoidance mechanism?
[13:27] <larsu> desrt: err ... I don't know
[13:38] <seb128> mterry, hey
[13:38] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[13:39] <mterry> seb128, brb
[13:39] <seb128> mterry, can you look at the pagination mr/the review on it?
[13:39] <Laney> haha
[13:39] <seb128> !!!
[13:39] <Laney> "hi, bye"
[13:39] <seb128> typical mterry!
[13:39] <mterry> seb128, :)  What's up?
[13:39] <seb128> mterry, can you look at the pagination mr/the review on it?
[13:40] <mterry> seb128, yeah was about to comment
[13:40] <seb128> mterry, I've it in a silo, it looked fine to me, but Cimi seems to think you change change the condition for the enable/disable dots
[13:40] <seb128> mterry, great
[13:40] <Cimi> seb128, maybe I was wrong, I didn't test it
[13:40] <Cimi> seb128, it should look that the first dots are filled, the remaining empty
[13:40] <seb128> Cimi, see my comment on it? (or maybe wait for mterry to comment)
[13:40] <mterry> Cimi, yeah, that's what the current logic does
[13:41] <Cimi> sorry I need to enable mails for those merges
[13:41] <seb128> Cimi, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/uss.png
[13:41] <seb128> Cimi, ignore the french and the fact that index is off by one
[13:41] <seb128> that's what it looks like
[13:41] <Cimi> this is fine, but the dot seems wrong
[13:41] <seb128> (the index being wrong was a local issue when I took that screenshot)
[13:42] <seb128> oh?
[13:42] <Cimi> seb128, can you test at 18 gu?
[13:43] <seb128> 18? they are currently at 1
[13:43] <seb128> Cimi, mterry: well, anyway, the logic seems fine so I'm going to land that silo, we can fix dot look issues in a following merge if needed
[13:44] <Cimi> loop index?
[13:44] <Cimi> what kind of indexing we have :D
[13:44] <darkxst> seb128, Laney Hi
[13:44] <seb128> hey
[13:44] <mterry> Cimi, 'index' is the index of the repeater object -- i.e. the loop for the delegate
[13:45] <Cimi> I thought pagelist.index is the current page
[13:45] <Cimi> so imagine current page is 3
[13:45] <darkxst> so I think gnome-shell directly access the new dbus api through mutter
[13:45] <Cimi> so index 0, 1, 2, 3 of the repeater are <= pagelist.index
[13:46] <seb128> right
[13:46] <darkxst> so its just g-c-c and g-s-d that require the gnome-desktop changes
[13:46] <seb128> so they are enabled
[13:46] <Cimi> yes
[13:46] <seb128> so it's right ;-)
[13:46] <seb128> darkxst, seems a new source/binary used by those 2 is enough?
[13:47] <darkxst> I guess in theory it could work
[13:48] <seb128> do you have any specific concerns about that approach?
[13:49] <darkxst> seb128, no, I guess that is what happens on the ppa anyway and that seems to work
[13:50] <darkxst> and its probably safer this late in the cycle
[13:50] <Cimi> oh fuck
[13:50] <Cimi> indeed index <= pagelist.index is like pagelist.index >= index
[13:50] <Cimi> :D
[13:50] <Cimi> think italian coffees are not strong enough
[13:50] <Cimi> however in my defense I wrote that comment at midnight
[13:50] <Cimi> I should not look into work stuff at those times :D
[13:51] <seb128> darkxst, right, I just don't see the ffe being accepted and that seems an acceptable solution that should work for everyone
[13:51] <seb128> Cimi, indeed ;-)
[13:51] <Cimi> seb128, can you run at higher dpi?
[13:52] <darkxst> seb128, yeh its getting way too  late.
[13:52] <seb128> Cimi, you can do it, the debs are in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-018
[13:52] <Laney> I'd want to see the split go away in U as soon as possible
[13:53] <seb128> +1
[13:53] <seb128> we can probably take on the initial approach in U
[13:53] <Cimi> seb128, can you explain me this thing of the CI train?
[13:53] <seb128> Cimi, people list things they want merged on https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFlCc1VzeVZzWmdBZS11WERjdVc3dmc#gid=0
[13:53] <seb128> Cimi, they get a ppa with the result, they validate it
[13:53] <Cimi> seb128, I don't know if there was a mail about that, even if it was thunderbird kindly erased me all my messages
[13:53] <seb128> then it get merged/uploaded
[13:54] <Cimi> I read self service as title
[13:54] <Cimi> and I thought about food
[13:56] <darkxst> Laney, right, well no reason to maintain that split
[13:56] <Laney> yes
[13:57] <darkxst> that said, upstream are open to moving the app stuff, like thumbnailers into gtk
[13:58] <darkxst> at which point gnome-desktop could be forked, since it would only tie directly to g-s-d/g-c-c etc
[14:06] <darkxst> but I really need to get to bed now...
[14:08] <seb128> darkxst, night
[14:08] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, hey
[14:11] <darkxst> night
[14:18] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, do you know why compiz is not only setting a passive grab on the root window for the wheel-scroll-workspaces options?
[14:19] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, (still trying to get that scrolling issues resolved for the LTS)
[14:30] <seb128> desrt, pitti: I got a reply from mvo, he would like to room with me if I've nobody ... do you guy room together then?
[14:31] <desrt> seb128: sounds good
[14:31] <seb128> cool
[14:34] <seb128> Laney, you could have picked the new pango bugfix, it has like 3 commits including a segfault fix ;-)
[14:34] <Laney> didn't see it
[14:35] <Laney> I can do that one in a bit, after lunch
[14:35] <seb128> Laney, settings meeting in 25 min btw :p
[14:35] <Laney> oh
[14:35] <Laney> shit!
[14:35] <seb128> lol
[14:35] <seb128> no lunch for you!
[14:36] <Laney> super late lunch
[14:36]  * Laney eats own arm
[14:36] <seb128> or quick snack between now and the meeting ;-)
[14:36] <seb128> just eat in front of us in the hangout :p
[14:36] <seb128> but if you do that don't eat your own arm please
[14:39] <Laney> need to go out and get the veg bag and bread
[14:39]  * Laney has interim tangerines
[14:45] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Hey, at this point it all boils down to a patch in X that got rejected.  With the patch, everything works as expected.  The issue even goes beyond the wheel-scroll-workspaces issue.  It also affects scrolling unfocused Gtk apps.
[14:46] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, well, I was dicussing it with garnacho on #gtk+, he wrote
 seb128, you=compiz users, the root of the problem is compiz (and other WMs) doing passive grabs on scroll buttons, so the app sees the pointer "leave" and "enter" anytime that's triggered
 seb128, the combination of reparenting + scroll button grabs only seems to happen on compiz by default... and xfwm through config tweaking IIRC
 seb128, then why doesn't compiz only set the passive grab on the root window :)
[14:47] <seb128>
[14:47] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, basically it's only an issue if you have a passive grab on the win, that shouldn't be the case on apps?
[14:48] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Hmm, I trust garnacho knows what he is talking about, but I think it's bigger than this.
[14:48] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, he wrote that as well
 seb128, I did get to the unpleasant conclusion that the only thing we can do is calling XIQueryPointer() on XI_Enter (which is going to happen quite often for you), implementing that is still in my todo
[14:48] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Try scrolling an unfocused Gedit window.  This used to work before the original fix.  Is that really the fault of Compiz?
[14:48] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, that should fix it for us, but it would still nice to avoid doing calls where not needed
[14:49] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, there were other issues, I trust garnacho for knowing what he's doing/saying there
[14:49] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: I can certainly look into how Compiz could set a passive grab on the root window.
[14:50] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, things used to work but there were other issues (like scroll events sent back to the wrong windows and creating buggy scrolling on focus)
[14:50] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, anyway, I'm just sharing the info I got
[14:50] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Right.  Ok, thanks.
[14:50] <seb128> yw
[14:50] <seb128> garnacho is eventually going to fix it in GTK
[14:50] <seb128> but as he said, that's going to make us to more sync calls to X apis when not needed
[14:51] <seb128> it would be better to only set the passive grab on those buttons where we need them
[14:51] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Ok, that's good.  I'll see what we can do on the Compiz side.  I admittedly am not very educated in this area, but I'll see what we can do.
[14:51] <seb128> thanks
[14:51] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: np
[15:01] <seb128> charles, tedg, larsu, Laney, mpt, settings meeting?
[15:01] <mpt> yep
[15:01] <charles> yes
[15:02] <larsu> on my way
[15:23] <seb128> Laney, foooooooood
[15:23] <Laney> I need to go out into the big bad cold world
[15:23] <Laney> also I didn't quite catch what you said about resetting and AS and gsettings and syncing
[15:23] <Laney> can you say it again in text? :-)
[15:24] <Laney> hangouts man
[15:24] <seb128> sorry about that, I was trying to remember that at the same time
[15:24] <Laney> it wasn't very good audio quality
[15:25] <seb128> they sync the launcher config from gsettings to a-s when a-s is empty
[15:25] <seb128> so if you wipe out from a-s it's going to read gsettings
[15:25] <Laney> O_O
[15:25] <seb128> and copy that
[15:25] <seb128> so basically you reset gsettings
[15:25] <seb128> then wipe out a-s
[15:25] <seb128> and it should do it
[15:25] <Laney> that's weird, but ok
[15:25] <Laney> what about the home screen config?
[15:26] <Laney> will find out in a bit
[15:26]  * Laney biab
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, I don't know about that one
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, have fun
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1207860 btw
[15:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1207860 in Ubuntu system image "Need support for factory reset (needed by settings)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[15:54] <andyrock> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1295194
[15:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295194 in Unity "[lockscreen] It's possible to lock a guest-session" [High,In progress]
[15:55] <andyrock> i opened a new bug for that issue
[15:55] <andyrock> proposed a fix too
[15:55] <seb128> andyrock, thanks
[15:55] <seb128> andyrock, I had one open about it no?
[15:56] <andyrock> mmm nope that's about the option key
[15:56] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1292154/comments/9
[15:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1292154 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity ignores "disable-lock-screen" desktop key" [High,Confirmed]
[15:56] <seb128> oh, you copied the description to a new bug
[15:56] <andyrock> well are two different issues
[15:56] <seb128> cool
[15:56] <seb128> thanks
[15:56] <andyrock> yeah i'm to lazy to write
[15:57] <andyrock> copy paste is faster
[15:57] <andyrock> :D
[15:57] <seb128> hehe
[15:57] <seb128> thanks for fixing it!
[16:02] <andyrock> seb128, i just got a fix for the double lockscreen when coming back from the greeter
[16:02] <seb128> excellent!
[16:03] <seb128> it's in gnome-screensaver?
[16:03] <seb128> if so, send it for review, I'm about to go for some exercice but can review that once I'm back
[16:03] <seb128> be back in ~1 hour
[16:06] <andyrock> seb128, it's both unity and g-s but they are really small
[16:06] <andyrock> i'll do some more tests
[16:07] <andyrock> and I'll propose a fix
[17:40] <Laney> cyphermox: :( do you know why I don't get nm-applet in panel any more?
[17:40] <Laney> nlaney@iota> nm-applet                                                                                ~
[17:40] <Laney> ** (nm-applet:18661): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-3wU79IWkFK: Connection refused
[17:40] <Laney> ** (nm-applet:18661): CRITICAL **: nm_secret_agent_register: assertion 'priv->registered == FALSE' failed
[17:40] <Laney> nm-applet-Message: using fallback from indicator to GtkStatusIcon
[17:40] <Laney> gnome-panel that is
[17:41] <cyphermox> yuck
[17:41] <Laney> the secret agent thing only happened once it seems
[19:00] <seb128> bregma, bschaefer: hey, so with today's unity update it seems like the indicator stacking issue is fixed, but we are back to have alt-tab showing over the lockscreen?
[19:01] <seb128> bregma, bschaefer: can you guys add to your testplan to test that both work together? rather than bouncing forth and back between the issue with each landing ;-)
[19:02] <seb128> mdeslaur, can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1295220 ?
[19:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295220 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Images can't be viewed system-wide after libgtk3 update" [Undecided,New]
[19:03] <seb128> mdeslaur, that seems to be your security update
[19:04] <mdeslaur> seb128: hrm, sure
[19:04] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks, that's the only report so I don't think you broke the world, but in case you have some idea...
[19:09] <bschaefer> seb128, how are you reproducing the alt+tab over the lockscreen? (I cant get that to happen here...)
[19:09] <seb128> bschaefer, press alt, press tab, release tab but not not alt, press ctrl and L
[19:09] <seb128> then you can alt-tab on the lock
[19:09] <seb128> (similar steps to the one bregma had a week ago iirc)
[19:10] <bschaefer> seb128, hmm let me check if that grab branch landed
[19:11] <bschaefer> seb128, sorry, yes we have a fix and bregma is getting it all built (IIRC) atm: https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/unity/lockscreen-grab-fixes/+merge/211654
[19:12] <seb128> bschaefer, oh ok, so what I said, every build go forth and back between fixing and restoring the issue, hopefully that one has all side covered ;-)
[19:12] <seb128> okSb363Lucid
[19:12] <seb128> bah
[19:12] <sarnold> seb128: password? :)
[19:12] <seb128> typed password on irc :p
[19:12] <seb128> sarnold, yep, changing it
[19:12] <bschaefer> seb128, sorry, yeah that grab branch was made a little late :)
[19:12]  * sarnold tacks up the sign "zero days since a password was typed on irc"
[19:13] <seb128> lol
[19:13] <sarnold> seb128: heh at least you spotted it quickly :)
[19:13] <bschaefer> seb128, i've done that before, luckly on a less populated irc :)
[19:13] <bschaefer> though that would be the lockscreen there...
[19:13] <sarnold> hehe, the dangers of testing lockscreen bugs? :)
[19:13] <seb128> yeah, and I though I had focus because I clicked on the lock entry
[19:13] <seb128> oh well
[19:14] <bschaefer> seb128, :), the worse one was the xmir + tty...i typed my password in irc to many times :(
[19:14] <seb128> passwd changed
[19:14] <sarnold> bschaefer: haha, nice :)
[19:14] <bschaefer> seb128, also, got the french layout regression fixed here for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/unity/fix-super+num-shortcut-to-keycode/+merge/211839
[19:14] <bschaefer> seb128, not sure if you had a bug for it yet, I didnt see one so i made my own
[19:15] <seb128> bschaefer, thanks, I saw that... I mentioned it to didrocks the other day but forgot to file a bug
[19:16] <seb128> on that note, dinner time
[19:16] <bschaefer> seb128, enjoy!
[19:16] <seb128> thanks
[19:52] <oliver_g> hi
[19:53] <oliver_g> there are two changes in upcoming gedit 3.12 which I'd like to have in the Gedit version in Trusty...
[19:54] <oliver_g> I suppose upgrading to Gedit 3.12 (or downgrading to 3.8) is out of question, but would it be possible to backport the changes?
[19:54] <oliver_g> this is about https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726408 (Allow plugins to set/get the search context in GeditDocument)
[19:54] <ubot2> Gnome bug 726408 in search and replace "Allow plugins to set/get the search context in GeditDocument" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]
[19:55] <oliver_g> and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725424 (filebrowser plugin doesn't support add_context_item/remove_context_item message any more)
[19:55] <ubot2> Gnome bug 725424 in Plugins "filebrowser plugin doesn't support add_context_item/remove_context_item message any more" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[19:55] <oliver_g> in both cases the current 3.10 version lacks features that are somewhat available in 3.8 and have been fixed again in 3.12 :-/


[00:27]  * gnomefreak never gonna get email done at this rate
[00:29] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: mail? whats that?
[00:29] <gnomefreak> :)
[00:58] <gnomefreak> its not asking me what to do even though setting == ask me
[01:27] <gnomefreak76> !buttons
[01:27] <gnomefreak76> oh damn
[01:27] <gnomefreak76> !control
[03:42] <cjohnston> Can anyone help me figure out why sometimes my filters will run and sometimes they wont?
[03:42] <cjohnston> in thunderbird3
[07:00] <LLStarks> asac, i'm finding that firefox 3.7 won't allow deluge torrent to start files after they're downloaded despite loading the client. i'm not seeing this in 3.6.
[08:50] <BUGabundo_remote> morning o/
[08:59] <asac> ho
[09:00] <asac> fta: we need to work on getting a testing community ramped up
[09:01] <asac> to get new major versions up, it requires thorough exposure
[09:01] <asac> e.g. we cannot just through a new beta/stable out without that
[09:01] <asac> but yes, we want to do major version updates for chromium the same way we want to do that for firefox
[09:03]  * BUGabundo_remote is test ready
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> asac: you mean starting lucid, FF will keep up with major upstream releases ?
[09:08] <asac> we will go for new major upstreams when old ff becomes EOL
[09:09] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh makes sense
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> asac: I haven't been able to open FF 3.7 in weeks
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> it always complains its already running
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> even in safe-mode
[11:18] <asac> check with chrisccoulson
[11:18] <asac> chrisccoulson: what happened to the ppa upload ;)
[11:18] <asac> guess you didnt figure how to upload with -security?
[11:18] <asac> one sec
[11:18] <chrisccoulson> hey asac - yeah, i couldn't figure that out
[11:18] <chrisccoulson> so mdeslaur uploaded directly to the security ppa for me
[11:18] <asac> chrisccoulson: you have to force the pocket like:
[11:18] <asac> [ppa-ums-lucid]
[11:18] <asac> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[11:18] <asac> incoming = ~ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/lucid/
[11:18] <asac> login = anonymous
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> asac - thanks :)
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> i would probably never have figured that one out ;)
[11:19] <asac> heh
[11:19] <asac> did mdeslaur figure ;?
[11:19] <BUGabundo_remote> asac: when will we get a drop of FF 4?
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> i assume so
[11:20] <asac> BUGabundo_remote: not sure. is trunk already moving towards 4.0?
[11:20] <asac> chrisccoulson: ok its up https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+packages
[11:20] <asac> so we should blog about it ;)
[11:20] <asac> though we want to release today i guess
[11:20] <asac> but still
[11:21] <asac> let me microblog for now ;)
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think mdeslaur was fairly keen to do the release today after some testing
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> asac: beats me... ask [reed] :p
[11:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: yes, we dont do releasese on friday
[11:23] <asac> so either today or monday ...
[11:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: install vms and test ;)
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that makes sense
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> releases on friday are sometimes problematic ;)
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> asac - did you understand what was causing bug 456468? shouldn't the fix for bug 518760 have solved that, or is there more than 1 issue?
[11:52] <asac> chrisccoulson: thats understood
[11:52] <asac> didnt mvo add a patch?
[11:52] <asac> just create a link to some icon with the missing name in the package
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> asac - the current version in the archive has a change by mvo to ship the old icon
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> but seb128 still says he sees the issue
[11:55] <asac> yeah. then its not all icons
[11:55] <asac> we probably miss another one
[11:56] <asac> chrisccoulson: seb does upgrade tests?
[11:56] <chrisccoulson> i think so
[13:36] <dupondje> I have set that when I mark a mail as spam, it should move to spam folder, but it doesn't move it? Any idea what could be wrong / how I can debug it ?
[14:48] <micahg> asac: have you returned?
[15:02] <asac> micahg: on calls for a few more hours
[15:02] <asac> then yes.
[15:03] <micahg> asac: yay \o/
[15:58] <Hilikus> hey guys
[15:58] <Hilikus> i read this in a bug report, what is it supposed to mean?
[15:58] <Hilikus> "since Mozilla moved to non-versioning"
[15:59] <Hilikus> Can someone please decline the nominations since this is not required since Mozilla moved to non-versioning
[16:07] <micahg> Hilikus: firefox source package will be unversioned now
[16:08] <Hilikus> what does that mean??
[16:08] <Hilikus> as an end-user
[16:08] <micahg> Hilikus: nothing for you
[16:09] <Hilikus> all updates will be immediatly available?
[16:09] <micahg> Hilikus: well, we want to try to provide continual updates, even major versions when they happen..
[16:09] <Hilikus> so that still means that for major version changes i still have to wait for the next ubuntu release?
[16:10] <micahg> Hilikus: well, we plan on moving hardy/jaunty to firefox 3.6 soon
[16:13] <fta>   Candidate: 3.7~a3~hg20100304r38917+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[16:13] <fta> micahg, ^^ no update??
[16:14] <micahg> fta: patch failed
[16:14] <micahg> will fix tonight
[16:14] <micahg> fta: oh wait...no, problem is dep wait
[16:14] <micahg> fta: xul193 broke with gcc 4.4
[16:14] <fta> in 2 weeks?
[16:15] <micahg> mozilla 550823
[16:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you have time to look at this ^^
[16:17] <fta> kenvandine, chrisccoulson: does liferea has an indicator applet plugin somewhere?
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i might not have time to look at that today
[16:17] <chrisccoulson> fta - not that i'm aware of
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> but i might be wrong ;)
[16:18] <fta> hm, ok, too bad. thanks
[16:19] <kenvandine> fta, not sure
[16:20] <kenvandine> fta, i would think so... tedg is an huge liferea user and he created the indicators
[16:21] <kenvandine> fta, i just asked him
[16:21] <kenvandine> there isn't
[16:22] <fta> kenvandine, no plan either?
[16:22] <kenvandine> he wants it
[16:22] <kenvandine> but hasn't found the time or anyone else to do it
[16:22] <kenvandine> i knew he had talked about it way back during jaunty
[18:24] <fta> kenvandine, too bad the "Show foo" is not always at the same place in the indicator applet, it's confusing compared to the old tray
[18:25] <kenvandine> agreed
[18:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: don't worry about that mozilla bug if you don't have time...I have a lead on it now and will look at it later
[18:49] <micahg> [reed]: thanks for subscribing the proper people to the build bug
[18:58] <[reed]> ;)
[18:59] <micahg> [reed]: next time I'll ping \you...
[19:04] <micahg> asac: mdeslaur didn't use the USN we got from Jamie in the published noticed
[19:08] <asac> err
[19:08] <asac> so the USN disagree?
[19:08] <asac> wow
[19:08] <micahg> yep
[19:09] <micahg> asac: also seamonkey has the same 5 CVEs plus 1
[19:16] <fta> oh my, dropped ~750 packages from my main desktop
[19:16] <fta> lots of kernels and old gnome stuff
[19:17] <fta> tons of libs
[19:17] <fta> i'm afraid to reboot now :P
[19:17] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[19:17] <BUGabundo> do it , do it fta
[19:51] <fta> BUGabundo, done
[19:51] <fta> it survived
[19:51] <fta> mostly
[19:51] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    18404 2010-03-18 20:47 _usr_sbin_spamd.0.crash
[19:51] <fta> -rw------- 1 fta  fta     42758 2010-03-18 20:49 _usr_bin_gwibber.1000.crash
[19:51] <fta> -rw------- 1 fta  fta     35210 2010-03-18 20:49 _usr_bin_gwibber-service.1000.crash
[19:53] <fta> "Can not start couchdb" & "[Errno 111] Connection refused" respectively
[19:53] <fta> kenvandine, ^^
[19:54] <kenvandine> no errors from couchdb startup?
[19:55] <fta> no other crash file
[19:56] <fta> maybe it starts too early
[19:58] <BUGabundo> good good
[19:58] <fta> for spamd, it's "shutdown-hang"
[19:58] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: I'm sending you my electric bill
[19:58] <BUGabundo> gwibber is a cpu hog :|
[19:59] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, gwibber-service?
[19:59] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:59] <kenvandine> i wish i could see why... mine is almost always idle :/
[19:59] <BUGabundo> on each sync
[19:59] <BUGabundo> my cpu stall at 100%
[19:59] <BUGabundo> and fan goes crazy
[19:59] <kenvandine> suck
[20:00] <BUGabundo> ohh and there's a bug with the list
[20:00] <BUGabundo> if you add _too_ many ppl
[20:00] <kenvandine> ?
[20:00] <BUGabundo> you can't scroll it
[20:00] <BUGabundo> it gets trunked by the screen
[20:00] <kenvandine> what do you mean?
[20:01] <kenvandine> bug # please?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> and If you add over 5 users timelines to monitor, it will stop updating the all thing
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I ran it on debug mode and could see any output
[20:01] <BUGabundo> ill file it latter tonight
[20:01] <BUGabundo> toghether with a wish but
[20:01] <kenvandine> so you added 5 user streams?
[20:02] <BUGabundo> no
[20:02] <BUGabundo> I added 15
[20:02] <BUGabundo> I was stress testing gwibber
[20:02] <BUGabundo> 3 µblog accounts and 15 twitter user timelines
[20:03] <BUGabundo> (stupid limitation of twitter not showing me an user entire timeline, but only replies to ppl I also follow)
[20:04] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, humm... i still don't understand
[20:04] <kenvandine> what do you mean added?
[20:05] <kenvandine> you mean streams for people right?
[20:06] <BUGabundo> yes
[20:08] <kenvandine> so it stops refreshing if you do that?
[20:08] <kenvandine> i am getting notifications
[20:08] <BUGabundo> if I had too many
[20:08] <kenvandine> i added 10
[20:08] <BUGabundo> not sure I hit api limit
[20:14] <kenvandine> so the backend doesn't refresh? or the UI doesn't update?
[20:14] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, what exactly doesn't refresh ?
[20:14] <BUGabundo> *any* timeline
[20:15] <BUGabundo> afaict UI
[20:15]  * kenvandine adds more
[20:15] <kenvandine> working fine with 10 twitter and 10 identi.ca
[20:15] <BUGabundo> but I don't recall if I saw new ballons either
[20:15] <BUGabundo> identica doesn't count :) there's no api limit
[20:15] <BUGabundo> let me try again
[20:15] <BUGabundo> could have been a fluke
[20:16] <BUGabundo> and there goes my CPU :(
[20:18] <BUGabundo> err UI just froze... its dimmed
[20:19] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: if I try to open the chanel/user list (drop down arrow) it just freezes
[20:19] <BUGabundo> 8 users time line, General and Reply tabs
[20:19] <BUGabundo> I'm still getting new items
[20:20] <BUGabundo> need a screenshot?
[20:20] <kenvandine> yes
[20:20] <kenvandine> not sure what a chanel/user list is :)
[20:20] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-gwibber.png
[20:20] <BUGabundo> the dropdown list
[20:20] <BUGabundo> there's not much UI other then that
[20:21] <BUGabundo> its clipped on the bottom
[20:21] <kenvandine> oh
[20:21] <BUGabundo> and with that many I can't even move my mouse over items to select it
[20:21] <kenvandine> the treeview on the left
[20:21] <BUGabundo> so now, I can't remove them
[20:21] <BUGabundo> its not on the left
[20:21] <BUGabundo> its where ever you open it :D
[20:22] <BUGabundo> ahh wait
[20:22] <BUGabundo> I can close the users timelines
[20:22] <BUGabundo> but I get no mouse overlay
[20:25] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: http://www.gwibber.com/develop/ is blank
[20:25] <kenvandine> where is that linked from?
[20:27] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, ok, added my 26th twitter stream and it caused a traceback from gwibber-service
[20:27] <kenvandine> the 26th feed was just blank from twitter
[20:27] <kenvandine> but on another refresh it worked
[20:28] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: from gwibber.com top bar
[20:28] <kenvandine> and the service never actually crashed... but i got a crash dialog
[20:28] <kenvandine> oh
[20:28] <kenvandine> well the site is about 5% complete :)
[20:28] <BUGabundo> np
[20:28] <kenvandine> not surprised :-D
[20:28] <BUGabundo> not
[20:28] <BUGabundo> just letting you know
[20:28] <kenvandine> ok
[20:28] <BUGabundo> could have skipped
[20:28]  * BUGabundo files wish but
[20:28] <BUGabundo> *bug
[20:28] <kenvandine> how big is your database?
[20:28] <kenvandine> ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages
[20:30] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: what do you think ?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/541483
[20:31] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: dint your CPU flat die with 28th streams?
[20:31] <kenvandine> no
[20:31] <kenvandine> my load never went over .2
[20:31] <kenvandine> i am not a fan of the HOME stream... but ryan likes it
[20:32] <BUGabundo> I use two
[20:32] <BUGabundo> HOME and replies
[20:32] <kenvandine> it doesn't keep pulling those streams once you remove it
[20:32] <BUGabundo> what do you use?
[20:32] <kenvandine> i use the all messages one
[20:32] <jcastro> hm, what is the difference?
[20:32] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-18 20:32:05) seg|away: BUGabundo: I can make an option for that in 3.0
[20:32] <kenvandine> and my netbook i use full screen with multi column layout showing both messages and replies side by side
[20:33] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: what jcastro asked
[20:33] <BUGabundo> what's the diff????
[20:33] <kenvandine> jcastro, i have never seen the point of the home one
[20:33] <kenvandine> afaict no difference
[20:33] <kenvandine> wasted space
[20:33] <BUGabundo> ok, 3 pane now
[20:33] <kenvandine> but ryan says it is a little different
[20:33] <BUGabundo> home, message, reply
[20:33] <BUGabundo> lets see this at work
[20:34] <kenvandine> BUGabundo, how big is your database?
[20:34] <BUGabundo> no idea
[20:34] <BUGabundo> never checked
[20:34] <BUGabundo> but it runs 20h/7
[20:34] <kenvandine> please check
[20:34] <kenvandine> ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages
[20:34] <BUGabundo> ls: cannot access /home/bugabundo/.local/share/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages: No such file or directory
[20:35] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 618M 2010-03-18 20:34 /home/bugabundo/.local/share/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages.couch
[20:35] <kenvandine> oh
[20:35] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[20:35] <kenvandine> yikes!
[20:35] <kenvandine> ok
[20:35] <jcastro> hahahahah
[20:35] <kenvandine> open this in firefox
[20:35] <BUGabundo> :)
[20:35] <jcastro> man I told you, bad idea
[20:35] <kenvandine> ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html
[20:35] <kenvandine> you will see a list of databases
[20:35] <BUGabundo> Desktop CouchDB
[20:35] <BUGabundo> Your desktop CouchDB is the data store for many of your applications. You can browse around it to see which data your applications are storing.
[20:35] <kenvandine> select each database and then hit "compact"
[20:35] <BUGabundo> Taking you to your Desktop CouchDB in 30 seconds... take me there straight away from now on (remember to bookmark this page first!)
[20:35] <BUGabundo> I don't see any DB
[20:36] <kenvandine> click it :)
[20:36] <BUGabundo> clicked
[20:36] <kenvandine> we are about to start auto compacting
[20:36] <kenvandine> but i want to see if we compact your's, if it makes a difference on your CPU load
[20:36] <BUGabundo> compating messages table
[20:36] <BUGabundo> can't I just delete it?
[20:36] <kenvandine> do the other two gwibber onces
[20:36] <kenvandine> no
[20:36] <BUGabundo> I don't need ANYTHING
[20:37] <kenvandine> don't do that
[20:37] <BUGabundo> don't share with other PC
[20:37] <BUGabundo> don't want backlog
[20:37] <kenvandine> i want to see if compacting it makes a difference
[20:37] <BUGabundo> at least not like this
[20:37]  * BUGabundo is a gineepig
[20:37] <kenvandine> you can delete if from time to time if you like
[20:37] <kenvandine> but not now :)
[20:37] <BUGabundo> compacted
[20:37] <kenvandine> great
[20:37] <kenvandine> do gwibber_accounts and gwibber_preferences too
[20:38] <BUGabundo> that's 0.9MBs
[20:38] <kenvandine> how big are they now?
[20:38] <kenvandine> after compacting?
[20:38] <kenvandine> yeah, messages is the only big one
[20:38]  * BUGabundo wonders what's the proper UNITS now that lucid _changed_ it
[20:38] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo bugabundo 111M 2010-03-18 20:38 /home/bugabundo/.local/share/desktop-couch/gwibber_messages.couch
[20:39] <kenvandine> ok
[20:39] <BUGabundo>  ls /home/bugabundo/.local/share/desktop-couch/ | pastebinit
[20:39] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/397447/
[20:39] <kenvandine> killall gwibber gwibber-service
[20:39] <kenvandine> and start it again
[20:39] <kenvandine> lets see if it improves your CPU problems
[20:39] <BUGabundo> ahhhh silence at last
[20:39] <BUGabundo> starting
[20:40] <BUGabundo>   PID  SYSCPU  USRCPU  VGROW  RGROW  RDDSK  WRDSK  ST EXC S  CPU CMD     1/4
[20:40] <BUGabundo>  4966   0.84s   3.60s     0K   672K     0K     8K  --   - S  89% beam.smp
[20:40] <BUGabundo> 11070   0.35s   1.15s 517.8M 192.0M     0K     0K  N-   - S  30% gwibber-servic
[20:40] <BUGabundo> 10971   0.18s   1.06s  8564K  8564K     0K     0K  --   - S  25% gwibber
[20:40] <BUGabundo> 11069   0.36s   0.79s 517.8M 192.1M     0K     0K  N-   - S  23% gwibber-servic
[20:40] <kenvandine> we plan to autocompact for lucid, and if i get push back on getting that into lucid after beta-1, it is nice to have amunition :)
[20:41] <kenvandine> wow beam.smp is way high
[20:41] <BUGabundo> it was on open
[20:41] <BUGabundo> its always like that on syncs
[20:41] <kenvandine> what is it at now?
[20:41] <BUGabundo> I have it on 5 min refresh
[20:42] <kenvandine> mine doesn't go that high at start though
[20:42] <BUGabundo> doesn't even show now
[20:42] <kenvandine> ok
[20:42] <BUGabundo> 11008   0.00s   0.01s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S   0% gwibber-servic
[20:42] <BUGabundo> 11008      0      0       2158K 541.8M 201.9M     0K     0K   5% gwibber-servic
[20:43] <BUGabundo> now refreshing
[20:43] <BUGabundo>  4966   1m55s   8m45s 112.5M 20868K 623.2M 200.6M  N-   - S  11% beam.smp
[20:43] <BUGabundo>  4966   0.72s   2.19s     0K     0K     0K    20K  --   - S  58% beam.smp
[20:43] <BUGabundo>   PID  SYSCPU  USRCPU  VGROW  RGROW  RDDSK  WRDSK  ST EXC S  CPU CMD     1/2
[20:43] <BUGabundo> 11339   0.57s   2.72s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S  65% gwibber-servic
[20:43] <BUGabundo>  4966   0.55s   2.34s     0K     0K     0K     8K  --   - S  57% beam.smp
[20:44] <kenvandine> having all those streams does really increated my load on startup and refresh
[20:44] <BUGabundo> ahahaaahahahahahaa
[20:45] <BUGabundo> well not many ppl would have 26 extra timelines
[20:45] <kenvandine> but beam.smp never tops 37%
[20:45] <BUGabundo> but I would like to have 4 or 5
[20:45] <kenvandine> and gwibber-service hit 53% for like 2 seconds
[20:45] <BUGabundo> closed tabs, and showing in HOME or Messages
[20:45] <BUGabundo> can i have your CPU then ?
[20:45] <BUGabundo>   PID  SYSCPU  USRCPU  VGROW  RGROW  RDDSK  WRDSK  ST EXC S  CPU CMD     1/2
[20:45] <BUGabundo> 11537   0.57s   2.87s     0K     0K     0K     0K  --   - S  69% gwibber-servic
[20:45] <BUGabundo>  4966   0.36s   2.37s     0K     0K     0K     4K  --   - S  54% beam.smp
[20:45] <BUGabundo> 11536   0.03s   0.37s     0K    20K     0K     4K  --   - R   8% gwibber-servic
[20:45] <kenvandine> then dropped down to ~26% for about 20s
[20:46] <BUGabundo> I can atop log it for you
[20:46] <kenvandine> bouncing around in the 20 range
[20:46] <kenvandine> one sec
[20:46] <BUGabundo> C2D T8300 2.4GHz running lucid 64bits
[20:47] <kenvandine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/397451/
[20:47] <kenvandine> save that to a script and run it in cron every minute
[20:47] <kenvandine> change the paths of course
[20:50] <BUGabundo> done
[20:53] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: its not outputting anythign
[20:54] <kenvandine> it should write to those files
[20:54] <BUGabundo> I know
[20:54] <BUGabundo> ~$ ls -alh stats
[20:54] <BUGabundo> total 8.0K
[20:54] <BUGabundo> drwxr-xr-x  2 bugabundo bugabundo 4.0K 2010-03-18 20:50 ./
[20:54] <BUGabundo> drwxr-x--x 97 bugabundo bugabundo 4.0K 2010-03-18 20:50 ../
[20:54] <BUGabundo> and that's it
[21:12] <fta> asac, my last update of chromium got a "Waiting for approval" and is nowhere to be seen
[21:14] <micahg> fta: it's in unapproved
[21:14] <fta> oh
[21:15] <micahg> fta: archive freeze, universe requires manual push
[21:15] <fta> tried all the other options except this one :P
[21:15] <micahg> fta: queue will probably be cleared after beta release tomorrow
[21:16] <asac> fta: is it beta critical?
[21:16] <asac> otherwise it has to wait till queue opens
[21:16] <fta> nope
[21:16] <asac> if its needed seriously you need to go in #ubuntu-release and let them know
[21:16] <asac> they will let it in then
[21:16] <asac> but all will go in after beta freeze is over
[21:17] <micahg> wow, builders are empty...
[21:17] <fta> it is long due, i have no idea why it was not in weeks ago, i closed it in the branch but apparently forgot to push it or it failed
[21:31] <ejat> BUGabundo: ya gwibber still eating the CPU ?
[21:31] <BUGabundo> back
[21:31] <BUGabundo> ejat: not as much now, it seems
[21:31] <BUGabundo> after compating it
[21:32] <ejat> how do u do that :)
[21:34] <ejat> i think mine also ok for now ..
[21:36] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-18 20:35:17) kenvandine: ~/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html
[21:36] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-18 20:35:29) kenvandine: you will see a list of databases
[21:36] <BUGabundo> (2010-03-18 20:35:48) kenvandine: select each database and then hit "compact"
[21:51] <ejat> thanks
[21:51] <ejat> Taking you to your Desktop CouchDB in 30 seconds...
[22:00] <fta> BUGabundo, about ch on x64, it's been native for a while now, except native client, but that changed a few days ago
[22:02] <BUGabundo> fta: what is the diff about native browser and native client?
[22:04] <fta> "native client" is a feature (NaCL)
[22:05] <micahg> fta: that's for old salt dogs :P
[22:05] <fta> http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/native-client-and-web-portability.html
[22:08] <BUGabundo> ohh I remember reading about that NaCL
[23:18] <micahg> asac: are you available?