[00:00] <derek-shnosh> Its commented out in the file though.
[00:00] <derek-shnosh> Right now the nvidia driver version installed is 440.62
 Are you abele to boot with the nouveau driver (maybe need to use nomodeset on the command line)?
[00:05] <derek-shnosh> Can you provide guidance on trying that?
 sudo apt purge nvidia-driver-440
 then try rebooting.  If black screen, then reboot again and go into grub.
 You might need to hit Esc to open the grub menu if not multi-boot  setup.
[00:06] <derek-shnosh> Ok, standby
 will do.
 You might want to try the nvidia-driver-430 or 435 drivers until bug you encountered is fixed.
 FWIW, I have 2 NVidia systems here running fine with the 440.64.00 driver, and the 5.4.0-26 and 5.4.0-37 kernels.  (1080 and 960M models resp).
[00:13] <derek-shnosh> I've purged nvidia-driver-440, what whas the nomodeset ?
[00:14] <derek-shnosh> For the record, I was running 440.82 with 5.4.0-33 kernel before this situation.
 try to reboot.  If you get a black screen, then reboot again and tap the Esc key until the grub menu appears.
[00:15] <derek-shnosh> Ok...
[00:16] <derek-shnosh> I've rebooted, entered encryption pw, and now just the Lenovo image again... originally it'd just go to a black screen, this "lenovo image" thing has been prevalent since I did the `ubuntu-drivers install` command.
[00:16] <derek-shnosh> will do the reboot now, and go to grub menu
[00:17] <derek-shnosh> Oh, I read somewhere about `kstart5 plasmashell`, is this relevant? Because when I go to TTY2 and login and enter that command, it gives errors about `qt.qpa.xcb` and `qt.qpa.plugin`.
[00:18] <derek-shnosh> i'm at `grub>` prompt now
 I think you are fighting graphic driver at the moment.  How did you install Kubuntu?
 Select the top line
[00:19] <derek-shnosh> There's nothing to select, its a prompt.
 just a "grub>" prompt?
[00:19] <derek-shnosh> yes i had the selectable menu before that but hitting ESC brought me to this prompt
 No text menu with kenerel selection options?
[00:20] <derek-shnosh> it was on screen before ESC, show sup every boot
[00:20] <derek-shnosh> can i get back to that without rebooting, can i exit `grub>` prompt?
[00:20] <derek-shnosh> nvm, just rebooting
 Oh, Ok on the selection menu, ensure the top line is selected and hit the "e" key to edit
[00:20] <derek-shnosh> 1st option is "ubuntu", 2nd option is "Advanced options"
 yes
[00:21] <derek-shnosh> ok done
 https://www.dell.com/support/article/en-us/sln306327/manual-nomodeset-kernel-boot-line-option-for-linux-booting?lang=en
 Let me know if more explanation is needed.
[00:21] <derek-shnosh> ok put the `nomodeset`, reading
[00:22] <derek-shnosh> EYYY login screen!
 also remove the quiet option to enable the viewing of the boot steram
[00:22] <derek-shnosh> didn't remove quiet, but i 'm on my desktop now
 cool!
[00:23] <derek-shnosh> so i presume this is a temp solution?
 no need to remove quiet
 that was just to reveal any monsters that may be preventing boot.
[00:23] <derek-shnosh> gotcha,
 yes, temp solution.  So now try installing the 430 or 435 driver.
[00:24] <derek-shnosh> how about 440.82? i still have that DLed
 Sure, git it a try.
 The steps above will restore you back to a system where you can try the other drivers if needed.
 So if 440.82 black screen, ctrl-alt-f2 for the tty, sudo apt purge nvidia-driver-*, boot with nomodeset via grub, and try another driver.
[00:27] <derek-shnosh> says i'm missing nvidia-installer-cleanup when i run dpkg -i on the 440.82 driver
 is the  440.82 driver from the nvdia-ppa or downloaded from NVidia?
[00:31] <derek-shnosh> downloaded
[00:32] <derek-shnosh> the 440.82 driver is weird, says `nvidia-driver-440/focal 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6 amd64`
 Yes, the ppa website is equally mixed....
 https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=focal
[00:33] <derek-shnosh> there's still a considerable amount of nvidia things showing when I run `apt list -i | grep nvidia`
 Try enabling the PPA and then run "sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440"
 grep for nvidia-driver-440 and report the version...
[00:35] <derek-shnosh> ok.... that's where I see `nvidia-driver-440/focal 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6 amd64`
[00:35] <derek-shnosh> I just installed it, since it came from PPA, i don't have to manually sign it fore secureboot do i?
 apt list nvidia-driver-440 -a
 correct, no manual signing will be necessary.
[00:36] <derek-shnosh> alright when I run that cmd, another one shows up
[00:36] <derek-shnosh> `nvidia-driver-440/focal 440.82-0ubuntu0-<IP_ADDRESS> amd64`
 that's what I see here also.
[00:37] <derek-shnosh> i read a reddit threat discussing why the "really" one is there.
 And apt says:  nvidia-driver-440/focal,now 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6 amd64 [installed]
[00:38] <derek-shnosh> is there a way to force the 440.82 (actual) install via apt since it shows up with `apt list -a`?
 Oh, still have the link?  I do not know why we have 2 options.
 no idea...
[00:38] <derek-shnosh> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/g3mrex/why_did_ubuntus_graphics_ppa_push_a_downgrade_to/
[00:39] <derek-shnosh> is it a terrible idea to `apt purge *nvidia*` and start over?
 nope, apt purge should work fine.
[00:40] <derek-shnosh> for *nvidia*... or just nvidia*?
 I have used it myself several times before my hybrid laptop was properly supported.
 nvidia-* is fine
[00:41] <derek_shnosh2> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/26c058fb2e3c3b37399c2a1106159f9e/pasted.txt
[00:41] <derek-shnosh> ^ that's the output from `apt list -i | grep nvidia`
[00:41] <derek-shnosh> There's a bunch of "libnivida-*" things in there
 yes, all of those will be cleaned up as they depends of the main driver...
 Assuming the packages are setup properly.
 run the purge and check again.
[00:42] <derek-shnosh> ahh ok
[00:44] <derek-shnosh> this is weird, i type `sudo apt purge nvidia-*` and it says "unable to locate package nvidia-*"
 try sudo apt purge nvidia*
[00:45] <derek-shnosh> doing the same thing
 sudo apt purge nvidia-driver-440
[00:46] <derek-shnosh> that' worked.
[00:46] <derek-shnosh> guess you cant wildcard that
[00:47] <derek-shnosh> ok, so the driver isn't in the `list -i` anymore... but everything else still is
[00:47] <derek-shnosh> ahh, need to do `autoremove` i think
 do you have any nvidia files in you current directory?  I have seen where apt will try to act on any files in your current directory when the wild card is used (very strange and unexpected behavior).
 try sudo apt autoremove
[00:48] <derek-shnosh> I did that now there's only 4 left...
[00:48] <derek_shnosh2> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/9612ed0994b4c465fcb1db792cdd9c08/pasted.txt
[00:49] <derek_shnosh2> should i purge those too?
 yes, I would
[00:49] <derek-shnosh> the linux modules one too?
[00:50] <derek-shnosh> i presume i'm going to have to sign the 440.82 driver if i do it from .deb
 Yes, if you use the deb route, I suspect manual signing may be required.
[00:51] <derek-shnosh> i've got the whole list nuked.
[00:51] <derek-shnosh> can i force apt to use the "actual" 440.82 driver?
[00:52] <derek-shnosh> i think i can
 I have no idea how to force the 440.82 only driver.
 How did you do it?
[00:53] <derek-shnosh> `apt install nvidia-driver-440=440.82-0ubuntu0-<IP_ADDRESS>
[00:53] <derek-shnosh> https://askubuntu.com/questions/428772/how-to-install-specific-version-of-some-package
 cool!
[00:53] <derek-shnosh> getting complaints about unmet dependencies though
 like what?
[00:53] <derek_shnosh2> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/5f49a51e5e39a4c59db4eb21bc6a8a16/pasted.txt
[00:54] <derek-shnosh> i'm going to get castrated if i don't go eat dinner with the fam right now... lol i'll come back to this if you're still here. I greatly appreciate your help/guidance!
 what if you try  sudo apt install —fix-broken
 very good :)
 this should fix the issue: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440=440.82-0ubuntu0-<IP_ADDRESS> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-440
[00:56] <derek-shnosh> ooh pizza night, have a few mins before its ready
 I have had to explicitly specify the xorg server version when installing bleeding edge drivers.
[00:57] <derek-shnosh> I typed that and got the same output... about dependencies.
[00:58] <derek-shnosh> is `--fix-broken` cmd by itself, or add to apt install?
[00:58] <derek-shnosh> i'm going to install from .deb and sign it.
 keep adding the files in the depends....
[00:58] <derek-shnosh> i don't want it installing this "really440.64" stuff
 ok
[00:59] <derek-shnosh> i have quick scripts to generate and sign for kernel updates... have to do it for vmware workstation too
 my  packages seem to be the 82 version even though the 64 package is installed: https://pastebin.com/7FZKfeie
[01:01] <derek-shnosh> that's how mine was, i interpret that as saying the 440.64 driver is actually installed
 nm, yes i agree.. seems to be the 64 packages.
 what's in 82 that you need?
[01:04] <derek-shnosh> Well installing the 440-82(really440.64) drivers i don't get login screen remember?
[01:04] <derek-shnosh> we had to do `nomodeset`
[01:04] <derek-shnosh> so i think reinstalling this won't do much good
[01:04] <derek-shnosh> i mean, i can try
[01:05] <derek-shnosh> yeah i'm going to let that rip
 I am not sure if the deb installed all the necessary deps.  But at least you know how to recover now to try other stuff.
[01:05] <derek-shnosh> i do, thank you! I can tinker around and if I come up with a solution i'll chime in.
 Excellent, yes please let me know what works.
[01:06] <derek-shnosh> going to copy the install log
[01:07] <derek_shnosh2> Yikes.. yeah errors...
[01:07] <derek_shnosh2> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/8745b6ab3e2fb6aa8c28e8230eab7433/pasted.txt
[01:08] <derek-shnosh> note sure why it says secureboot not enabled, it absolutely is
 hmmm, that is strange....
[01:21] <derek-shnosh> hmm, errors might be nothing... says things are already found in kernel
[02:47] <derek-shnosh> DarinMiller oddly enough I'm even getting the issue with all nvidia drivers purged
[02:48] <derek-shnosh> ... but now my tty2 was flashing too... tf
[03:41] <derek-shnosh> @DarinMiller - I'm up and running with `nvidia-driver-435` and kernel 5.4.0-37. Over the 440 driver for now, haha too much time lost.
[03:42] <thesc> tets
[03:42] <thesc> test
 test complete?
[03:43] <derek-shnosh> Seems so. ;)
[03:43] <thesc> yes
[03:43] <thesc> this works
[03:43] <thesc> didnt know if this worked as this is my firt time using IRC
 <derek-shnosh>   did you succeed with your driver install?
[03:47] <derek-shnosh> I'm up and running with `nvidia-driver-435` and kernel 5.4.0-37. Over the 440 driver for now, haha too much time lost
 understood.
[03:47] <derek-shnosh> I purged all things nvidia again and rebooted, was able to get on both .33 and .37 kernels with nouveau
[03:47] <derek-shnosh> used app to install 435 and here i am.
[03:48] <derek-shnosh> i'd like to get up to 440 but i think i'll wait for the ppa version of "actual" 440.82
[03:48] <derek-shnosh> apt*
 Yes, I agree.  If you discover another solution please post here.  And I will do likewise.
[03:49] <derek-shnosh> i def will, but might be better to contact direct since i don't idle here on IRC or telegram
 that would be fine also
[03:50] <derek-shnosh> Looks like IRC bot can't do /msg between IRC and telegram, sec
 I opened konversation
[03:52] <derek-shnosh> sent you msg on telegram
 Hi, I am having a problem triyng to run hexter on Kubuntu 20.04 … I update and upgrade packages … After runnning "jack-dssi-host /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dssi/hexter" in a terminal I got the error "Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: 'adwaita'" so I installed gnome-themes-standard and gnome-themes-extra. Now hexter starts and even I can se it in qjackctl connections panels, but ui does not show.
 I have never run hexter.  Look like it needs a jack server to run...
 You might want to ask on the ubuntu studio channel as they should more audio experience then the general audience here.
 yes, I tryed running jack before. Nothing change. … If i do not that then jackd starts anyway
 ok, I thought it is a problem related to GTK apps in Kubuntu.
 Is there a popular GTK app that I can test in Kubuntu to limit the problem?
 studio is in the process of converting to KDE, so they may have encountered and possibly solved the problem.  In fact, quite a few of the Devs already run KDE.
 gimp?
 but its gtk 2.xx
 well, I am going to test Gimp. I am a Kubuntu user since ~2016 I think. Hexter works fine in plasma for 17.04 and 19.10 version of Kubuntu
 Thanks
 This channel is great
 Gimp works perfectly 😩
 I wonder if it runs on regular ubuntu.....  have you asked if anyone in the Ubuntu channel is successfully running on 20.04?
 That is a good idea. Let me check
 "Hi i am an user of another distro but i need your help" … hahahaha
 :)
 Morning everyone.
 (Photo, 800x536) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/gPdyIIjN/file_31972.jpg Every time I install a flatpak from discover - I get this crash notification:
 @AlejandroCastro, This should solve the adwaita issue: sudo apt install gnome-themes-standard
 Then run hexter as follows: pasuspender jack-dssi-host /usr/lib/*/dssi/hexter.so
 you may need to manually kill any residual jack sessions.
 however, on my system, I see this error: Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/10)(1: Operation not permitted)
 @DarinMiller, this is due you must add your user name to audio group, and allow audio group to run in real-time
 Did the above fix hextor for you?
 however, I think this is a problem in my system, There are a weird behaviour with hexter deamon. It shows the message: … jack-dssi-host: OSC URL is: … osc.udp://abc:16301/dssi//usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dssi/hexter/hexter/chan00 … but abc does not mean nothing in my system … dismiss my request for now, I will tell what is happening if I let it work
 ok, thanks!
 pffff, thanks to you
 More fun stuff on the way: https://pointieststick.com/2020/06/12/this-week-in-kde-plasma-5-20-features-start-landing/
[08:30] <Dakeiiz> sigAIO: I don't know if you're online, but I managed (without doing anything) to get the same speed as I did before... I now have 890Mbps on Fast.com
[08:30] <Dakeiiz> Also performed a test on Speedtest.net: https://www.speedtest.net/result/9598271786
[08:31] <Dakeiiz> I removed the connection from the list, and perhaps a reboot is what solved it.
[09:55] <yigitkde> hi
[11:29] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:30] <erts> Hi there, from time I get disconnected from wifi and prompted for the password, however my router is stable and not going down, signal is strong and good quality and the password is stored on the system (for all users, non encrypted). My battery is not low and I disabled wifi power management for good measure. This has been happening with Kubuntu (and any other KDE Plasma based systems), but not with other DEs, using the same setup and also
[11:30] <erts> networkmanager. Does anybody have this same problem or know why this is happening? Running 20.04 but happening since 18.04.
[11:32] <erts> This is happening on my three laptops with different wifi chips, by the way - so I would rule out drivers or hardware failures...
[11:38] <BluesKaj> erts, one thing to check is your wifi channel on your router and check the auto option if there is one, if not change the default wifi channel from 6 to one which is less busy. Most wifi users on windows don't do this, but channel 6 can get very crowded in some environments that have alot of users nearby which can cause dropouts.
[11:41] <erts__> And it happened again...
[11:42] <erts__> BluesKaj: yep I tested that but didn't notice a difference. Still, even if I get micro-cuts I shouldn't be asked for a password every single time...there's something going on with Plasma
[11:42] <erts__> Every time I get prompted, I hit cancel and then connect manually through the NM plasmoid and I don't get the password prompt
[11:54] <Dakeiiz> erts, so if I understand correctly you're having issues with WiFi on Kubuntu 20.04? If so, you're not alone... I also had issues since 18.04. Had no issues with Linux Mint but they appeared when I installed Kubuntu.
[11:55] <erts> Dakeiiz: nice to hear I'm not alone, and I'm sorry to hear that...this is so annoying... :P
[11:55] <erts> Did you do any troubleshooting or have any findings so far?
[11:56] <erts> I've experienced these problems with any distro using Plasma, actually...
[11:56] <Dakeiiz> I'm afraid to say that I've given up using WiFi whatsoever... It's not a big deal for me because I have easy access to wired ethernet.
[11:56] <Dakeiiz> Ah I see. It's always a bit hard to say whether it comes from the kernel, the distro or the DE
[11:57] <erts> Smart decision, not an option for me though.... :(
[11:58] <erts> Yeah checking the logs it just seems like the connection drops and that's it. I do expect micro-cuts, or in some environments to have unstable wifi and have to re-connect (not at home, but in other places). However it doesn't make sense to me that I keep being prompted for the password!
[11:59] <erts> It's like Plasma itself forgets it has the password stored in NM, and when I click cancel and re-connect manually, it gets it fine
[11:59] <cojack> where I can search for code related to the System Settings -> Online Accounts?
[11:59] <Dakeiiz> Maybe it's because the connection is getting "reset" (removed/re-added), so Plasma thinks it's a new connection.
[12:00] <erts> According to the logs, no sign of that... NM does try to reconnect several times in a row though, so maybe the router is doing some kind of throttling and Plasma thinks the stored password is incorrect...
[12:00] <erts> I wonder if there's a way to slow down the re-connection attempts
[12:01] <erts> Then I could go on to troubleshoot the stability of my router, maybe I was wrong about that. Still very weird behaviour to annoy me asking for passwords that are stored
[12:08] <Dakeiiz> You've said you had the same problem with all distro running Plasma, so I assume you've tried with a completely different DE? Did it work as expected?
[12:29] <luc4> Hello! Anyone running nvidia drivers on nvidia Quadro by any chance?
 Hello
[13:30] <BluesKaj> @Swift110, hi
 How r u
[13:48] <BluesKaj> @Swift110, no textspeak here please, use full words
[13:48] <BluesKaj> but I'm fine, how about you?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Laurel.Canyon.S01E01.Part.1.1080p.AMZN.WEBRip.DDP5.1.x264-NTb[TGx]
[14:03] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:10] <magic_ninja> does kubuntu have anything that will display hardware info, kind of like everest? Kinfocenter doesn't display any hardware information.
[14:10] <magic_ninja> And it seems like my cpu fans are running at 100%. This wasn't an issue on 19.04
[14:10] <magic_ninja> or 19.10
[14:20] <BluesKaj> madeti_, run lspci in the konsole
[14:21] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:21] <BluesKaj> no patience
 How is it possible to install the latest Plasma on Kubuntu 20.10 beta?
[18:10] <franzo> can someone help me with clonezilla? I asked on their IRC channel but it seems it's dead
[18:10] <franzo> Maybe is also related with Kubuntu because it can't find my NIC when I try to use it to create an image via ssh
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/mD100z07/file_32045.jpg Please can anyone help me with this error in kdenlive? It's unable to export..
 My 6 hours wasted 🤦 can't even export now .. any help please
[22:45] <zodyak99> hello?
 (Photo, 800x600) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/NYok0v0b/file_32050.jpg Same problem on Ubuntu liveUSB. I will keep looking.
[22:58] <valorie> @AlejandroCastro that sounds like a failing drive
[22:58] <valorie> I would back up NOW everything you want to keep
 Valorie, Alejandro is trying to run hexter.  I can reproduce the problem on my machine.  He was testing regular Ubuntu to bisect the issue.  Apparently its a packaging problem in 20.04 not specific to KDE.
[23:01] <valorie> ah, OK
[23:01] <valorie> thanks @DarinMiller
[23:02] <valorie> How are things out your way?
 I am very well, thanks. :)
[23:02] <valorie> cool and damp here
 And you?
 Same here.
[23:02] <valorie> people are calling it Junauary
[23:02] <valorie> :-)
[23:02] <valorie> I don't mind it a bit
[23:02] <valorie> oops, Junuary
 Perfect
[23:03] <valorie> I'm good, got my gardening in when it was less damp
[23:03] <valorie> and the flowers don't mind cool and damp one bit


[00:18] <MadnessRed> hi all
[00:18] <Muscovy> Hello.
[00:19] <MadnessRed> have you taken a look at the new-lang-system branch?
[00:19] <Muscovy> Not too recently.
[00:19] <Muscovy> Wasn't it merged with the main branch?
[00:19] <MadnessRed> it was
[00:20] <MadnessRed> but I have started using it again to implement the features we mentioned in the last meeting
[00:20] <MadnessRed> I have redone the tour.py file
[00:20] <Muscovy> Oh, I'll take a look then.
[00:21] <MadnessRed> there is only 1 tour and thats in miscellaneous
[00:21] <MadnessRed> the others will need convert to gettext
[00:21] <MadnessRed> I'll commit a second page to it actually
[00:23] <Muscovy> What's the full path to the new-lang branch?
[00:23] <Muscovy> I'm running on a different partition so I can't just bzr pull.
[00:23] <MadnessRed> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-tour/+junk/new-lang-system
[00:23] <MadnessRed> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/+junk/new-lang-system
[00:23] <TourBot> Title: new-lang-system : Code : “Ubuntu-Tour Team” team (at code.launchpad.net)
[00:24] <Muscovy> Thanks.
[00:25] <Muscovy> I'd probably move that to lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/new-lang-system if I was you, to make it show up on the code page.
[00:26] <MadnessRed> kk
[00:26] <Muscovy> The +junk means it isn't "part of a project" as far as Launchpad knows.
[00:26] <MadnessRed> ok,
[00:29] <MadnessRed> how do I create a branch again?
[00:29] <MadnessRed> dw found it
[00:31] <MadnessRed> anyway, did you get the new-lang-system?
[00:32] <Muscovy> Still getting.
[00:32] <Muscovy> I also had to install bzr. :|
[00:34] <MadnessRed> ok
[00:35] <MadnessRed> we need to set some of the html designers on it,
[00:45] <Muscovy> That looks cool.
[00:45] <Muscovy> Good work.
[00:47] <MadnessRed> it uses gettext for translations
[00:47] <MadnessRed> or it would if gettext was set up properly, need to find someone who knows gettext to look at that
[15:13] <MadnessRed> hi all
[17:43] <MadnessRed> I have created a pot file so launchpad translations should be possible


[02:56] <geekfisher> Hi, I do have problems with resume after sleep on 3 Asus laptops
[02:57] <geekfisher> most of the time I got the blank screen
[02:57] <geekfisher> every so often no screen at all
[03:23] <stdin[]> How do I disable the popup when I change the volume?
[03:25] <holstein> stdin[]: "You can use dconf editor to configure it. Just set the parameter show-notify-osd-on-scrol value to false. See below:"
[03:25] <holstein> from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2256986
[03:25] <holstein> not sure if that will still be relevant, but, you can try it first, and see
[03:26] <holstein> actually.. "xfce4-volumed displays that notification. If you kill the process, the notifications shouldn't appear any more. Unfortunately, you'll also lose the ability to manage the volume using the media keys. xfce4-volumed doesn't appear to allow you to the ability to toggle the display of the notifications - its all or nothing. You'll need to assign volume control commands to new key combinations if you want to control volume that way."
[03:26] <holstein> that sounds accurate, to me, as well
[03:33] <stdin[]> dang what a tradeoff
[03:34] <stdin[]> I guess I'll leave it on until I hook up my DAC
[03:34] <holstein> you can swap out parts, if you prefer..
[03:34] <stdin[]> then I don't need to change system volume
[03:35] <stdin[]> I still can't find out to change font rendering for Qt applications on 15.05
[03:35] <holstein> 15.04?
[03:35] <stdin[]> on 14.04 i jsut sued systemsettings but it has no options in 15.04
[03:35] <holstein> i might ask in the kubuntu channel
[03:36] <holstein> something that is using qt
[03:36] <stdin[]> kubuntu works, it's a missing dep if you install it standalone hmm
[04:52] <cntr> i'm using dvorak-international, but it does not type non-basic characters
[04:52] <cntr> what do i do?
[07:11] <xubuntu66w> Hi, how can I check to see what version of xubuntu I'n running?
[07:15] <xubuntu66w> anyone there?
[07:17] <audreeliss> here is nothing: D
[07:19] <elfy> xubuntu66w: you could run lsb_release -r in a terminal
[07:23] <dafukkkk> Hello. I have two old Maxtor hard drives and they were functioning properly. I could boot from both of them. I even installed Xubuntu with only one partition (ext4, primary) on one. But then... I decided to re-install Xubuntu, but this time with another primary partition, a 2048 MB swap space. (2048 MB primary swap, rest primary ext4)... after rebooting, BIOS hangs up on this hard drive.
[07:23] <dafukkkk> I did the same with my other hard drive, and the same happened. BIOS hangs up on it as well.
[07:24] <dafukkkk> I guess it's trying to execute my swap partition as boot code since it's my first partition, but I cannot boot from a removable disk either while the HDs are connected, to re-partition them.
[07:25] <dafukkkk> I wonder if there is a timeout or something.
[07:25] <dafukkkk> Any ideas?
[08:05] <little_user> Oh, ISS. A new version is availible. 15.04 is there, you use 14.04 ! "Are you ready to update?".  Now i could not inc(dec-)crease my display brightness on my hp nc2400 laptop, with the fn-keys whats happend here?
[08:10] <udzguru> good morning
[08:12] <udzguru> just upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04. went smooth and system is running. but my panel looks a little strange and bright: http://i.imgur.com/smvLDCP.png anybody got an idea what this could be and how to solve it?
[08:17] <brainwash> udzguru: is this the greybird theme from the repository?
[08:21] <udzguru> yes it is
[08:22] <udzguru> just played around a little bit. but changing the theme or icon-set doesn't change anything in the bright background issue
[08:23] <brainwash> did you add any PPAs related to GNOME or GTK+ 3?
[08:23] <udzguru> not as far as i know
[08:24] <brainwash> bug 1408979
[08:25] <brainwash> so, Greybird in 15.04 should not be affected
[08:26] <udzguru> in my case it is :(
[08:27] <brainwash> lets see, are other user accounts or the guest session affected too?
[08:27] <little_user> udzguru, did you try to change the alpha-channel in settings?
[08:27] <udzguru> i just realized that i have added the xfce ppa somewhen in the past
[08:28] <udzguru> little_user, nope not yet. i'm not that much into customizing. lemme see.
[08:31] <udzguru> where do i find this? under window manager tweaks?
[08:31] <udzguru> (little difficult as my language is set to german)
[08:32] <little_user> udzguru, systemeinstellungen
[08:32] <little_user> udzguru, "Leiste -> Erscheinungsbild"
[08:33] <udzguru> thanks, went there: no changes when changing the alpha channel.
[08:37] <little_user> udzguru, may this :  http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/preferences  helps?
[08:40] <udzguru> not really little_user
[08:43] <brainwash> please answer my question then
[08:44] <udzguru> excuse me brainwash: just added another user -> affected too.
[08:45] <dafukkk> Ideas?
[08:46] <little_user> no answe for me this day, sry. try it later. thx
[08:46] <brainwash> mmh, so, make sure that there is no version mess (PPAs, local theme copy,..)
[08:46] <brainwash> other than that, please add a comment to the previously linked report
[08:47] <udzguru> just removed the xfce4.12 ppa i seem to have added some time ago
[08:48] <udzguru> is there a way to reinstall the official themes from the repo? and where do i find local theme copies? probably somewhere in /home ?
[08:49] <brainwash> sudo apt-get install --reinstall greybird-gtk-theme
[08:50] <brainwash> if a new user account is affected too, then having a local theme in ~/.themes won't matter
[08:52] <udzguru> reinstalling greybird was the key!
[08:52] <udzguru> probably had a version from the xfce ppa installed i guess
[08:52] <brainwash> great :)
[08:52] <udzguru> thanks a lot for the help and expertise!
[08:52] <brainwash> you're welcome
[11:53] <priuon> hello. How is gmusicbrowser's 'kernel-hacking' abilitys disabled? it writes tags without changing modification times ignoring file protections and furthermore the "never write tag" option I select in the settings.
[11:55] <priuon> I haven't tried but I think it will also delete writeprotected files. It should not have any superuser priviledges as far as I can judge.
[12:07] <priuon> Just noted I forgot that gmusicbrowser apparently doesn't reflect the state of the files on the harddrive. It seems like it did not change the files as stated above. Yet the Option I select doesn't seem to hold.
[12:20] <brainwash_> priuon: feel free to report bugs https://github.com/squentin/gmusicbrowser/issues
[12:22] <priuon> brainwash_: I tried some things but I don't think it takes effect. Most noteably the play/skip-counter still seems to write data without priviledges.
[12:24] <brainwash_> where does it write data? does it update its own music database file?
[12:25] <priuon> brainwash_: I don't know
[12:25] <priuon> brainwash_: It show's in the properties dialog of the file, so I get it's the id3 tag
[12:26] <brainwash_> the one opened by the file manager Thunar?
[12:27] <priuon> the one opened in gmusicbrowser
[12:28] <brainwash_> this one probably queries the music/library data created by gmusicbrowser
[12:29] <priuon> brainwash_: that doesn't seem right to me.
[12:29] <brainwash_> I don't use gmb and cannot test anything right now, so my only suggestion is to report this as bug
[12:30] <priuon> brainwash_: I know music-files to have a playcounter. I assume it's in the id3 tag.
[12:31] <priuon> brainwash_: I use gmb for it's library functionality. Can you recommend a replacement? audacious doesn't seem to handle librarys well.
[12:31] <brainwash_> I always thought that the play counter is bound to a music player and its database
[12:32] <priuon> brainwash_: I actually don't know for sure. But I would have thew counter bound to the file or inode.
[12:32] <brainwash_> the Xubuntu team is thinking about replacing gmb, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/W/DefaultMediaPlayer
[12:35] <priuon> brainwash_: Sounds much like what I am looking for.
[12:44] <priuon> brainwash_: I'll check out Rhythmbox. gmb seems to be quite sophisticated in general. A bit over the top for what I look out for though.
[12:59] <arnoud> hello I tryed to install Xubuntu LTS 14.04.2  desktop via the standard installer. With and without checking: "update during installation" and " install third party addons" the installer did not complete, was hanging for a few hours. In the end I went for the mini.iso installer, fetched from ubuntu.org.  I install Xubuntu and did a apt-get update apt-get upgrade......
[13:00] <arnoud> Now I have a working system but it looks pretty ugly... do I need to install some extra skins or tweak configurations?
[13:01] <arnoud> On anthor machine the original Xubuntu installer went fine and the desktop skin looks decent...
[13:05] <brainwash_> arnoud: you can change the appearance via the settings manager
[13:05] <arnoud> Yeah I can.
[13:06] <brainwash_> the default gtk theme is Greybird
[13:06] <arnoud> have chosen Greybird ... the setting it came with
[13:07] <arnoud> When I click the left top icon the layout looks pretty ugly.
[13:09] <arnoud> I think I stick with it and install a panel where I place the most used programs... than I dont have to look at it anymore.
[13:12] <brainwash_> maybe we can resolve your issue if you share a screenshot of it
[13:13] <function9x> arnoud: I use greybird 14.04 http://i.imgur.com/U2nKAvv.png it nice???
[13:13] <arnoud> I think I found it it is the "whisker menu"   accesiable from xfce4-panel-settings ..... with the application icons only it is all fine.
[13:15] <mrkramps> what's the matter? from minimal install just run :$ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:15] <arnoud> thanks for the help ... function9x...  with adjusting the panel size ... desktop image and slightly darker colors I can get the same look as your desktop... looks nice!
[13:56] <xubuntu808> hi
[13:56] <xubuntu808> how about installing xcfe on a sd card?
[13:59] <antix> how about it
[13:59] <antix> you can, if that's what you're asking
[14:21] <OCBb> Hi, I have problem with installing Xubuntu on a 4 GB storage device (Eee PC 701). Minimal cd dont work from USB :( . It is posible change the minimum requirements for free space ?
[14:28] <OCBb> I'd like eee revived .
[14:28] <elfy> OCBb: what problems do you have running the mini.iso from a usb?
[14:30] <OCBb> elfy> Minimalcd stop running, after download some item.
[14:32] <OCBb> In https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD 12.4 dont run from usb
[14:33] <elfy> well if you went with 12.04 and then installed Xubuntu and came for support - we'd tell you it is EOL - so I'd not go there anyway
[14:33] <elfy> so I'd go with at least 14.04
[14:34] <elfy> sometimes it looks like it has hung, you can go to a vt (4 I think) to see what it's doing at that moment
[14:34] <OCBb> When I tried to install Lubuntu , enough to override a parameter, and it was possible to circumvent the minimum requirements . Is some similar solutions in xubuntu?
[14:36] <elfy> I'd expect so, there's not really any difference in the base install regardless of which flavour
[14:36] <OCBb> elfy> Thanks for the replies , I retract minimalcd 14.04 . :) But I would still like to know the minimum requirements bypassed and used the standard installation
[14:37] <elfy> no idea - not really got any clue what Lubuntu might get up to
[14:41] <OCBb> Have it! http://askubuntu.com/questions/395932/can-i-install-ubuntu-in-a-3-5-gb-mini-pc
[14:43] <mrkramps> OCBb, should work with all derivates using the ubiquity installer
[14:43] <elfy> a clean install of 15.04 uses ~3Gb so don't make it too small
[14:44] <OCBb> Thanks!
[14:45] <OCBb> I set up it at 4Gb
[14:48] <varaindemian> is there any way I can make xubuntu's top panel look like ubuntu?
[14:48] <varaindemian> **ubuntu's
[14:49] <mrkramps> short answer: yes
[14:49] <varaindemian> mrkramps: how?
[14:50] <mrkramps> varaindemian, you may have noticed the xfce panel can be modified in size, color and extended with pluging
[14:51] <mrkramps> *plugins
[14:54] <mrkramps> varaindemian, but of course you are welcome to ask about the details if you are stuck with configuration at some point
[14:56] <varaindemian> mrkramps: thank you, I'll look a bit at settings
[14:57] <krytarik> varaindemian: For that matter:  http://www.webupd8.org/2015/02/use-global-menu-in-xubuntu-or-linux.html
[15:16] <varaindemian> Can someone tell me the default date/clock format (custom one) for xubuntu 15.04 (as in %d %B etc.)?
[15:17] <varaindemian> I messed it up a bit :D
[15:18] <holstein> you want the default? or a custom one for a specific readout?
[15:19] <varaindemian> holstein: the default one
[15:22] <elfy> varaindemian: %d %b, %H:%M
[15:24] <varaindemian> elfy: thx
[17:55] <audreeliss> how to switch between Analog Stereo output & HDMI audio output?
[17:55] <audreeliss> I could not find
[17:55] <baizon> audreeliss: pavucontrol
[17:56] <baizon> then you have outputs, just swap and its done
[17:57] <audreeliss> I know these things. The plugin is not to switch to the Linux Mint cinammon. One push of a button to switch?
[18:00] <audreeliss> In that sense, I would switch comfortably, furthering analysis deep into the settings, if possible.
[18:02] <baizon> audreeliss: http://i.stack.imgur.com/g4HUr.png
[18:03] <baizon> audreeliss: just do this on the "output devices" tab if you want it "global"
[18:03] <baizon> audreeliss: see this picture http://kodi.wiki/images/thumb/a/a3/Passthrough2.png/452px-Passthrough2.png
[18:03] <mrkramps> or read about pactl and pacmd if you look for a command to map to a keyboard shortcut
[18:04] <audreeliss> Thanks, I'll try
[21:06] <carrera> Greetings!  :-)
[21:06] <carrera> I tried to install 15.04 on existing partitions made by 14.04 but it failed to install grub
[21:07] <carrera> I tried the Advance Install option but it failed to write grub again
[21:08] <carrera> I have SoftRAID so I'm using the NetIntall
[21:08] <carrera> *NetInstall
[21:10] <carrera> does anyone know how I can resolve this issue?
[21:10] <carrera> I'm thinkin of reinstalling 14.04
[21:11] <carrera> *thinking
[21:11] <Unit193> You can install it manually?
[21:11] <Unit193> !grub
[21:11] <carrera> really?
[21:11] <carrera> cool
[21:14] <carrera> Unit193, is this hapenning because I'm installing on RAID?
[21:15] <Unit193> I wondered, I do not know.
[21:15] <Unit193> No logs?
[21:15] <carrera> I tried to save them but it failed
[21:15] <carrera> and it was late at night
[21:15] <carrera> it's 1:46 am over here now
[21:17] <Unit193> Niiiice.
[21:17] <Unit193> /var/log/installer/
[21:17] <carrera> Unit193, thans
[21:17] <carrera> *thanks
[21:17] <carrera> should I boot into Rescue Mode now and install grub from there?
[21:18] <Unit193> Could.
[21:19] <carrera> how else could I do it sir?
[21:19] <carrera> is there a better way?
[21:20] <Unit193> That should work, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing outlines the options.
[21:48] <carrera> Unit193, can't find grub-install
[21:49] <Unit193> grub2-common: /usr/sbin/grub-install
[22:03] <carrera> can anyone tell me the difference between regular Netboot and HWE Netboot (Utopic-Netboot)?
[22:30] <Unit193> I'd think HWE has, well HWE.  Newer kernel, mesa, x, etc, carrera.
[22:30] <Unit193> Also, if installing grub fails you, there's that tool that's supposed to fix issues like that..
[22:31] <carrera> this is too hard
[22:31] <carrera> I followed instrucitons on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[22:47] <carrera> I ran sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot  /dev/md125
[22:47] <carrera> I got:  unrecognized option '--boot-directory=/mnt/boot/proc'
[23:33] <carrera> can anyone tell me why everytime I shutdown, Xubuntu 14.04 forgets my keybindings for moving to other desktops?
[23:41] <krytarik> carrera: LP bug 1292290.


[00:47] <ubptgbot> Mackie Daniels was added by: Mackie Daniels
 Hey all, just setup a Libertine container and installed Lubuntu Software manager but just did a reboot and now the container is gone. Does anyone know what is happening?
 Sorry for the mass questions but when I install Anbox on my Nexus 5 after reboot into OS I loose Wifi/internet.
[02:07] <cc> hello
[06:16] <ubptgbot> therealjjwyatt was added by: therealjjwyatt
[06:30] <cc> hello？
[06:31] <cc> can someone help me?
 How can we know if we can help you if you dont tell us whats the problem ^^
[06:31] <comradekingu> cc: Yes
[06:31] <cc> comradekingu: thank god,
[06:32] <cc> i met an question.
[06:32] <comradekingu> I see how it is, you think I am your god?
[06:32] <cc> ah
[06:32] <cc> the question is that:
[06:33] <cc> my phone is Meizu Pro 5 ,use  ubuntu-touch 16.04
[06:33] <comradekingu> questionmark
[06:33] <cc> and i set the PIN number :0911
[06:33] <comradekingu> Good story
[06:34] <cc> and yesterday,i set some thing about ssh on this phone,and i set the password for "phablet" on terminal
[06:35] <comradekingu> That should be unrelated to the PIN number
[06:35] <cc> the password of phablet is 882143
[06:35] <comradekingu> I dont need to know the actual passwords
[06:36] <cc> so the problem occur, when the phone locked,i found that the PIN password is not 0911
[06:36] <cc> and also i cant put in to 882143
[06:36] <cc> because the PIN only 4 numbers
[06:36] <comradekingu> A lock password might be yet a different one
 TRy to set again a 4 digit password with ssh
 If your method is set to pin it probably wont work with anything longer than 4 digits
[06:36] <cc> but the ssh is not set right
 Or shorter ^^
[06:36] <cc> i cant ssh the phone
[06:37] <comradekingu> Reinstall?
[06:37] <cc> cant reinstall,
[06:37] <cc> the lock screen
[06:37] <cc> i cant put into correct number
[06:37] <comradekingu> Restart the phone and do the phone PIN pass, then remove your lock pass
[06:38] <comradekingu> Connect a hardware keyboard, I dont know
[06:38] <comradekingu> USB-otg and then a USB keyboard
[06:38] <cc> when i restart the phone,it told me type in the correct number
 YOu need to boot into recovery then, and see what you can figure out in the 2 folders /data/system-data and /data/user-data
 Somehwere there is the password stored, and you can then probably remove it there. But idk now without doing this myself how it could work
[06:41] <cc> now ,the phone cant use adb,because of the lock screen;but it can use fastboot
[06:41] <cc> i dont know how to do when i use fastboot
[06:41] <cc> C:\Users\845m0024>adb devices
[06:41] <cc> List of devices attached
[06:41] <cc> 86HBCNG222AB    unauthorized
 @cc [now ,the phone cant use adb,because of the lock screen;but it can use fastboot], YOu can go into recovery with the right key combination for your phone
[06:42] <cc> sorry,what is "ight key combination for your phone"?
[06:42] <cc> what is that?
 you need to google it. "meizu pro 5 recovery"
 Every phone is different
[06:43] <cc> i know that
[06:43] <cc> - and power
[06:43] <cc> and then the phone go into fastboot
 No
 Fastboot is a different mode
[06:43] <cc> er....
 YOu need to go to recovery
[06:44] <cc> recovery
 yes
[06:46] <cc> cant do that
[06:46] <cc> meizu pro 5 is  +and power
[06:46] <cc> but it not work
 Then use fastboot and flash a TWRP recovery for the moment. This should work
[06:50] <cc> yes ,i download twrp
[06:50] <cc> and i use fastboot
[06:50] <cc> and then i try "fastboot reboot-bootloader"
[06:51] <cc> the phone still now go into recovery
 fastboot reboot bootloader will not boot recovery
 as the name says. You need to use the key combination for recovery
[06:51] <cc> look at this
[06:51] <cc> C:\Users\845m0024>fastboot flash recovery D:\twrp-3.4.0-0-m1721.img
[06:51] <cc> sending 'recovery' (31220 KB)...
[06:51] <cc> OKAY [  0.682s]
[06:51] <cc> writing 'recovery'...
[06:51] <cc> OKAY [  0.317s]
[06:51] <cc> finished. total time: 1.003s
 fastboot mostly reboots into boot
 Yes you dont listen to me ^^
[06:52] <cc> ...
 fastboot cannot boot into recovery, except on a few Google devices
 YOU NEED to use they key combination for your device that sends you into recovery
[06:53] <cc> it cant go into recovery....... iknow your mean
[06:53] <cc> but the phone
[06:53] <cc> cant
 Well then I cant help you. Without recovery you cannot reset the PW
 There must be a way to enter recovery with a key combination. Everything else makes no sense
[06:54] <cc> by the way, twrp-3.4.0-0-m1721.img is this correct?
[06:54] <cc> i search it on the net
 how can I know?
 Probably but the problem is you are not booting it. Try fastboot boot twrp-3.4.0-0-m1721.img
 That will load load recovery for one time
[06:55] <cc> C:\Users\845m0024>fastboot boot twrp-<IP_ADDRESS>-m1721.img
[06:55] <cc> cannot load 'twrp-<IP_ADDRESS>-m1721.img': No such file or directory
[06:57] <cc> C:\Users\845m0024>fastboot boot D:\twrp-3.4.0-0-m1721.img
[06:57] <cc> downloading 'boot.img'...
[06:57] <cc> OKAY [  0.684s]
[06:57] <cc> booting...
[06:57] <cc> FAILED (remote failure)
[06:57] <cc> finished. total time: 0.688s
[06:57] <cc> remote failure ?
[06:58] <cc> what's that mean?
 Well it cant boot it more I cannot tell you
[07:00] <cc> okey...
[07:08] <ubptgbot> <Shaun Tsai> definitely
[07:09] <comradekingu> Or, you stole it and made up those numbers
[07:11] <cc> ...
[07:11] <cc> no
 (Photo, 1920x1170) https://irc.ubports.com/Ordah6m4.png
 @PM5544 [<reply to media>], from Ubuntu touch phone captured?
 is a test from my teleport, which work abnormally but occasionally uploaded
 Hi Everybody. could somebody give me some support with telegram? In particular I can't record audio with any of the apps (Teleports and Web telegram). Thank you!
 Hi, how could I get involved
 @Petr [Hi, how could I get involved], Depends on your skills.
 @fredldotme [Depends on your skills.], Basics of programming, graphics
[09:43] <cc> so sad,my ubuntu phone die....
[09:43] <cc> i will miss you
 @Petr [Basics of programming, graphics], We use multiple programming languages but mainly C++ & QML for the GUI parts.
 @fredldotme [We use multiple programming languages but mainly C++ & QML for the GUI parts.], Ok..
 What's your area of interest in UT?
 @Alexi [Hi Everybody. could somebody give me some support with telegram? In particular I …], the next version of Teleports will have voice notes recording
 @mymike00 That's a good news, thanks! Do you know when will it be released?
 @Alexi [@mymike00 That's a good news, thanks! Do you know when will it be released?], no ETA yet, but soon ^^ maybe 2 weeks, maybe more, idk...
 @mymike00 That seems reasonably soon. Thank you!
 @Alexi [@mymike00 That seems reasonably soon. Thank you!], Sure. Do you want a preview of the release in the mean time?
 Just to know, where can I get it?
 @Alexi [Just to know, where can I get it?], for armhf https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/teleports/-/jobs/780790713/artifacts/raw/build/arm-linux-gnueabihf/app/teleports.ubports_<IP_ADDRESS>008181232_armhf.click … or arm64 https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/teleports/-/jobs/780790714/artifacts/raw/build/aarch64-linux-gnu/app/teleports.ubports_0.8
[10:15] <ubptgbot> .0.201008181232_arm64.click
 be aware that when you install a Teleports update you have to close the app, otherwise you will have to reboot the phone. You can always go back to the stable version in the openstore if you find some issue with the beta version
 Very exhaustive. Many thanks!
 @fredldotme [What's your area of interest in UT?], How to say it, sort of everything
 .
[10:48] <ubptgbot> Irfan Khan was added by: Irfan Khan
 @Petr [How to say it, sort of everything], Cool. Then feel free to start everywhere. 😀 One good way to start is picking issues from issue trackers of apps or system parts and start solving those.
 Help is always appreciated.
 Great to have you around.
 Some core apps need work e.g. music app if you feel like it.
 Clickable is the tool you need to build most apps.
 @Danfro [Cool. Then feel free to start everywhere. 😀 One good way to start is picking is …], All right! Otherwise, if I find something and figure it out,
 Feel free to ask if you have specific questions.
 @Danfro [Feel free to ask if you have specific questions.], Well thanks a lot
[15:09] <ubptgbot> lellol was added by: lellol
 Anyone know how to install UT on OnePlus 2? Mine came in and i see it on the devices list, but ubports-installer doesn't list it
 When it's not in the installer maybe you find a manual in the forum.
 Has anyone managed to install UT on Xperia X (suzu) with status saying "Bootloader unlock allowed: No" ? On the Internet it looks like this is a dead end.
 It looks like some Xperia phone were shipped with `fastboot oem unlock` option disabled.
 [Edit] It looks like some Xperia phones were shipped with `fastboot oem unlock` option disabled.
 did you enable OEM Unlocking in Developers Options?
 @WolfLink15 [did you enable OEM Unlocking in Developers Options?], Yeah, I covered the basics.
 oh ok
 then idk
 could be your carrier
 It came unlocked.
 the original carrier may have that option disabled
 I just can't get my head around the fact this is a dead end. We're living in times when teenagers are launching drones to the sky.
 hmm, is the original carrier verizon?
 I have no clue. I would have to ask the person I got it from. Does the carrier matter ?
 some carriers completely disable the feature even if the phone itself supports it
 even after a carrier unlock
 Very nice of them. I'll send them a Chrismas present this year ....
 hmm
 is it a chinese model?
 @WolfLink15 [hmm], This really s**ks as you can't tell which Xperia X you can root and which you can't. I mean in advance.
 @coding_hedgehog [This really s**ks as you can't tell which Xperia X you can root and which you ca …], well i guess you can ask seller for a picture of the screen with that info
 @dohbee [is it a chinese model?], It didn't come with Chinese ROM, no.
 also, is there an option in android developer options to enable bootloader unlock?
 No Flyme OS or Chinese characters.
 @dohbee [also, is there an option in android developer options to enable bootloader unloc …], Yes, there is and I toggled it on. It literally says `Allow the bootloader to be unlocked` and it's toggled on.
 ok
 @dohbee [also, is there an option in android developer options to enable bootloader unloc …], Xperia has this code you need to dial out to check if the bootloader can really be unlocked. Either it says Yes or No. I pulled the short straw. What the odds.
 sounds like maybe you got unlucky and unfortunately there are some devices in this situation.
 Well nobody with Xperia X and running UT has chimed into our chat so far.
 But I do suggest do add few more lines to the device page on the website. To say something along the lines of: … Before you purchase the phone ask seller to take a screenshot of the phone after dialing out the code. … To avoid wasting time.
 [Edit] But I do suggest do add few more lines to the device page on the website. To say something along the lines of: … Before you purchase the phone ask seller to take a screenshot of the phone after dialing out the code. … To avoid wasted time.
 @coding_hedgehog [But I do suggest do add few more lines to the device page on the website. To say …], i'm sure a PR for that would be welcomed :)
 Folks on XDA says the same. If the phone after dialing out the code says "No" that's a dead end as for rooting.
 It's kinda interesting to observe that some permission rules can be overriden but some you can do nothing about. Even XDA pens couldn't do anything with it.
 @coding_hedgehog [Xperia has this code you need to dial out to check if the bootloader can really …], I also mistakenly purchased an Xperia that can not be unlocked - I also was unaware that some come with locked boot loaders ☹
 @TotalSonic [I also mistakenly purchased an Xperia that can not be unlocked - I also was unaw …], Another one hit the wall with Xperia.
 @coding_hedgehog [Xperia has this code you need to dial out to check if the bootloader can really …], [Edit] I also mistakenly purchased an Xperia that can not be unlocked - I also was unaware that some come with unlockable boot loaders ☹
 @TotalSonic [I also mistakenly purchased an Xperia that can not be unlocked - I also was unaw …], Yes I'd definitely add a warning to the device page. That warning could potentially save you days of your time. Purchasing, delivering, futile rooting and then requesting return to seller. Days can be saved with little warning on the
[18:17] <ubptgbot> page.
 Guys, can any of you take a moment and just give me a list of phones that are "flagships" and is developed to the point that it can be used as a daily driver ?
 nexus 5
 @dohbee [nexus 5], Is that it ????? XD
 Meizu 5 Pro can be used too.
 i don't know what you consider "flagship" nor "daily driver" so i can't answer your question. only you can
 Flagship means that is of a robust build, fast processor, at least 3 GB of RAM.
 @dohbee [i don't know what you consider "flagship" nor "daily driver" so i can't answer y …], But I get your point. That's a matter of opinion for the most part.
 What does it mean "Requires gst-droid" ?
 it means some devices require a different camera implementation which is not fully integrated into UT yet, to be able to use the camera
 BQ Uplus is often overlooked. Good if a compact phone suits
 @Stereofont [BQ Uplus is often overlooked. Good if a compact phone suits], Let me take a look.
 @Stereofont [BQ Uplus is often overlooked. Good if a compact phone suits], Uplus isn't listed in the list of phones.
 It is 'complete' but not in the installer yet
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2941/porting-ubuntu-touch-ubports-to-tenshi-bq-aquaris-u-plus/43
 It isn't 'flagship' but adequate
 @Stereofont [It isn't 'flagship' but adequate], It looks nice but it seems to be based on Halium. I wonder how the core app are rendered on the phone.
 @Stereofont [It isn't 'flagship' but adequate], [Edit] It looks nice but it seems to be based on Halium. I wonder how the core apps are rendered on the phone.
 "Flagship phone" to me means latest and greatest specs on a mobile device, where all hardware and software functions correctly. Chip wise in 2020 that would mean Snapdragon 865 and better or similar. Currently for UT there is no real "flagship".  Meizu Pro 5 certainly gives best combination device specs with all hardware functioning (i
[18:41] <ubptgbot> ncluding camera flash and zoom, finger print reader, sending wirelessly to external display, etc.) - but its disadvantage is that it is limited to HSPA/3G in the USA - which will become a major issue towards using it as a daily driver as US carriers start to shut down 3G in 2021.
 @TotalSonic ["Flagship phone" to me means latest and greatest specs on a mobile device, where …], Thanks for the info, Steven !
 @Stereofont [It isn't 'flagship' but adequate], I've seen UT based on Hallium on OnePlus 6T and it needs more time. Can't be used as a daily driver imho.
 @TotalSonic ["Flagship phone" to me means latest and greatest specs on a mobile device, where …], I've got Meizu 5 as a daily driver so I can tell it's a decent gadget. Wouldn't give it away. I'm just looking for another phone that's on the same "level".
 @coding_hedgehog [I've seen UT based on Hallium on OnePlus 6T and it needs more time. Can't be use …], It is a Halium 7 build
 Volla Phone has potential to become a "flagship" among UT devices - despite it using a "meh" Mediatek Helio 23 - but it needs to have fixes for camera zoom and flash, as well as  handling of some indicators not getting hidden by its notch, along with a few other bug fixes for it to take this role.
 OnePlusThree is on a par with Xperia X
 in any case, it feels weird to call phones "flagship"
 like they're all at war on the sea or something
 @coding_hedgehog [I've got Meizu 5 as a daily driver so I can tell it's a decent gadget. Wouldn't …], I love my Meizu Pro 5 and use it as a daily driver as well - but the looming loss of 3G support in the USA makes its days numbered for its use as a daily driver for me. One of the reasons I pre-ordered a Volla Phone
 @dohbee [in any case, it feels weird to call phones "flagship"], It is something the mobile device makers - who are definitely in a market share war with each other - dubbed, and tech reviewers echoed their language.
 There are a number of devices being ported via Halium 9 and/or GSI which have potential to become UT "flagships" - e.g. Poco F1, OnePlus 6T, some of the better spec'd Xiaomi and Redmi phones - but again they need numerous fixes  for this to happen.
 @Stereofont [OnePlusThree is on a par with Xperia X], USB-C on the OnePlus 3 is definitely a big plus over the Xperia X too
 @dohbee [in any case, it feels weird to call phones "flagship"], Superexpensive stores are also called flagship stores
 either way, the flagship phone in my heart is not the one in my hand
 @TotalSonic [I love my Meizu Pro 5 and use it as a daily driver as well - but the looming los …], You live in US ?
 @coding_hedgehog [You live in US ?], Yes, in central Texas
 @TotalSonic [There are a number of devices being ported via Halium 9 and/or GSI which have po …], Yeah, I totally agree that those phones will really make its mark in the UT community. One day.
 @TotalSonic [USB-C on the OnePlus 3 is definitely a big plus over the Xperia X too], Sorry I know I'm being ignorant but has anyone spotted any speed difference in charging or data transfer ? USB-B vs USB-C.
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 depends on if the USB is 2.0 3.0 3.1 etc…
 but type C can handle higher current, so some devices will charge faster, when utilizing smart charge adapters
 I gotta say that the work of the community is very inspiring and impressive. You guys have done so much with very limited budget.
 Hey guys. I’m a programmer, but I don’t know much of anything about the phone space. Why are the supported phones so few?
 @coding_hedgehog [Sorry I know I'm being ignorant but has anyone spotted any speed difference in c …], USB-C provides significant improvements in speed, reliability and durability in terms of charging on all devices I have used it on, relative to Micro-USB
 @Edward [Hey guys. I’m a programmer, but I don’t know much of anything about the phone sp …], Porting a device is considered a big task, as every phone needs to be tailored to the OS. It's not like with x86 computers where there are standards dictating how a system and the hardware cooperate.
 @Edward [Hey guys. I’m a programmer, but I don’t know much of anything about the phone sp …], [Edit] Porting a device is considered a big task for some, as every phone needs to be tailored to the OS. It's not like with x86 computers where there are standards dictating how a system and the hardware cooperate.
 @Edward [Hey guys. I’m a programmer, but I don’t know much of anything about the phone sp …], Because each device needs support customized for its specific hardware drivers, and often these drivers are closed source, and need to be reverse engineered.
 Thank you. Do either of you guys have a link with detailed information about the porting process?
 Depends on the device. We currently support 7.1 and 9.0
 though, 9.0 is a WIP right now and needs its documentation integrated.
 @Edward [Thank you. Do either of you guys have a link with detailed information about the …], http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html  and http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html
 [Edit] Depends on the device. We currently support Android 7.1 and 9.0
 @Edward [Thank you. Do either of you guys have a link with detailed information about the …], Also - http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 Thanks. I appreciate it.
 @TotalSonic [http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html  and http://docs.ubpor …], May I message you privately?
 @Edward [May I message you privately?], you might want to join https://t.me/halium if you are wanting to port a device
 if you're wanting to port an application to UT, that is of course quite different :)
 @Edward [May I message you privately?], If it is in regards to porting, unfortunately I can not help you, as I have no experience doing it, and I am not a developer at all, just a user of UT for my daily driver. There is a Telegram group for porting as noted above by Rodney
 Thanks guys. I’m trying to figure out how this stuff works so I can see if I can help
 there are many ways to help that do not require porting a device, but if that is what you wish to do, even better :)
 I’ve heard that project treble did help. How helpful was it? Are newer devices much easier to port?
 It seems a huge waste of developer time to have to customize to each and every device
 it can be easier, but the kernel still must be modified and built, and there may be changes necessary in the GSI to enable different devices
 so i wouldn't say it makes things much easier, but you shouldn't need to rebuild everything as much, and it's a bit different from the 7.1 stuff
 Is possible to run android apps on UBport?
 Ubuntu Touch is not Android, so no, not really. Some devices can run Anbox, however it is not the same as running the app natively on an Android phone, and many features and integrations are still missing
 (and it's experimental, and a setup tool is not part of the default system yet)
 Ok
 Thanks for the reply
 Is the gps and navegation system not working for all the devices yet?
 i guess it should generally work, but only gps radio itself is supported. there is no bluetooth/wifi based assistance. only cell tower assistance on some qualcom devices. so you'll need clear signal to get a fix in a reasonable amount of time (ie, outside, good cellular connectivity, and a good data connection)
 @dohbee [i guess it should generally work, but only gps radio itself is supported. there …], I am running Pine, that's my concern
 many of the systems for using with Pine still doesn't have like a good GPS and navegation app
 @o00o00o0o00o [I am running Pine, that's my concern], pinephone? gps should be working on it now, but it is gps radio only so you're going to need to be outside with clear view of satellites to get a fix
 unav and puremaps should both work i think, too
 what maps app and navigation would you reccomend?
 ok
 One other thing, that goes for developers
 regarding to security in Ubuntu Touch
 what security features can this system offer me? (if there is some)
 @o00o00o0o00o [Is the gps and navegation system not working for all the devices yet?], How well GPS works is indeed device specific.  In my experience the GPS works decently  well with the Meizu Pro 5, finding an initial position in under a minute, where as with the OnePlus One sometimes it would take in the minutes in order to find an
[21:28] <ubptgbot>  initial position.
 @o00o00o0o00o [what security features can this system offer me? (if there is some)], The OS is completely open source so can be audited.  Applications (including webapps) are containerized, so can not access hardware or data that you have not given them permission to get to.
 @o00o00o0o00o [what security features can this system offer me? (if there is some)], [Edit] The OS is completely open source so can be audited, and UBports does not track your data or usage.  Applications (including webapps) are containerized, so can not access hardware or data that you have not given them permission to get to.
 Hi everybody, I am experiencing some issues with libertine. It runs literally 2 days for the configuration and then I cannot install anything. I am using the BQ aquaris E4.5. Does anybody knows how to use it?