[03:22] <rww> G'day. The forward from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-proxy-users is broken again. Someone needs to remove the banforward from #ubuntu and then add it again.
[03:23] <rww> (specifically, someone with ops in both channels, I think)
[03:27] <IdleOne> rww done
[03:27] <rww> IdleOne: thanks :)
[03:27] <IdleOne> hope it sticks :)
[03:29] <rww> Hello again!
[03:29] <IdleOne> hey
[03:30] <rww> I just got: 1929 -ZolaHacker(ZolaHacker@<IP_ADDRESS>)- * I'm using TScript Version -3.x.1b
[03:30] <rww> Appears to be triggered by !info in #ubuntu.
[03:31] <IdleOne> thank you
[05:34] <IdleOne> is AntiSpamMeta an approved bot in #u?
[05:37] <nhandler> No clue if it ever got formally approved (that was before I joined the council). It won't do any harm, so I wouldn't ban it or anything for now, but I'll bring this up with the council to try and figure out if it was ever granted "formal approval"
[05:38] <IdleOne> nhandler: ok.
[05:43] <Flannel> Is that the "we want to monitor spam to ban it in our channels so we use your channel as a honeypot" bot?
[05:44] <IdleOne> I have no idea
[05:44] <IdleOne> saw it join during the last split and it caught my eye
[10:24] <popey> who 'officially' looks after mootbot in -meeting?
[10:25] <jussi> daviey
[10:25] <jussi> oh
[10:25] <jussi> wait
[10:25] <jussi> no, its Seeker`
[10:25] <jussi> and Nal iirc
[10:25]  * Daviey hides.
[10:25] <popey> it seems broken
[10:26] <jussi> popey: :/
[10:26] <popey> it's not updated the logs on the website for at least two days, maybe longer
[10:26] <jussi> popey: ahh yeah, it needs a prod
[10:26] <popey> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ is missing logs from loco council meeting two days ago
[10:26] <popey> a prod in that it's a manual update?
[10:26] <jussi> nal might be able to help with that, as novarata is his site
[10:27] <jussi> sometimes something happens afaik
[10:27] <popey> thanks for the detail :)
[10:27] <jussi> and yeah, some manual something needs doing
[10:27] <popey> woah, detail overload dude!
[10:27] <jussi> popey: youll have to ask Seeker` or nal ;)
[10:27] <popey> wilco!
[10:27]  * jussi is not exactly sure
[10:28] <jussi> Daviey: just the person I am after!
[10:28] <Daviey> dammit!
[10:28] <jussi> :D
[10:28] <Daviey> ;)
[10:36]  * jussi prods at Daviey
[10:38] <jpds> wut.
[10:44] <Daviey> o/
[11:17] <ikonia> hello Bryanstein
[11:36] <ikonia> Bryanstein: are you active ?
[12:20] <gnomefreak> anyone else that is using auto_bleh script getting the following  .:07:18:59:. ==> Irssi: warning: '~/.irssi/autobleh.conf' doesn't exist.
[12:21] <gnomefreak> that is on loading of the script. it still loads and still works
[14:05] <oCean_> hi, please note <sysierius> in #u started some trolling
[14:08] <ikonia> hi
[14:08] <ikonia> lets look
[14:08] <oCean_> great. Been going on for a while now.. just starts to get annoying
[14:08] <ikonia> got it
[14:08] <oCean_> thanks anyway
[15:51] <maco> kwpolska seems to have attitude issues
[15:52] <jpds> maco: Sounds very familiar.
[15:53] <jpds> maco: I think ikonia is a fan of him.
[15:53] <maco> by which you mean has hauled them in here a few times?
[15:54] <jpds> Yes.
[16:03] <ikonia> maco: he was ecently banned
[16:03] <ikonia> then unbanned
[16:04] <ikonia> maco: if he persists cut him no slack, he had a pretty clear and blunt warning and promised no more bad beahviour
[17:21] <ikonia> bazhang: ping


[02:46] <oroo> Xrandr and xorg.conf method of adding new screen resolution does not work on 16.04 ubuntu. Can someone help? I need to add screen resolution of 1600x900.
[02:46] <oroo> This method works on all previous versions of ubuntu
[02:46] <oroo> but not on 16.04


[08:38] <cpaelzer> hiho, did we change tests in Focal to no more install "Recommends" ?
[08:38] <cpaelzer> autopkgtests I mean
[08:39] <cpaelzer> If I sapwn an autopkgtest I see a recommends not installed, but if I log into the same env and do "apt install" it consideres recommends - so it is not that there would be a conffile
[08:40] <cpaelzer> seems to be special to the autopkgetest package install
[08:40] <cpaelzer> for the deps that come out pf d/t/control
[08:43] <cpaelzer> bad<EMAIL_ADDRESS>good<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:43] <cpaelzer> testcase name "daemon"
[08:43] <cpaelzer> package I wonder behaving differently is "strongswan-charon"
[08:43] <cpaelzer> odd, both run today/tonight so they should behave the same right?
[08:44] <cpaelzer> locally the issue reproduces with old and new (test ppa) binaries
[08:44] <cpaelzer> the fix for this case is clear, it should be a harder dependency anyway - but I wonder what I'm missing on those two test excutions to make them behave so differently
[10:26] <cpaelzer> hmm, is something going on with the builders atm, there are plenty free ones but it started to get (a small) queue
[10:28] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: wgrant: Laney: highlighting you just because you all usually know about the status of the builders ^^
[10:28] <cpaelzer> nothing urgent at all, just wondering
[10:40] <cpaelzer> FYI: builders picked things up - so things seem to work (although at a slight delay maybe?)
[10:52] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: That happens sometimes.  Nothing sinister AFAICS; there was a batch of language pack updates which usually cause a brief spike.
[10:53] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: Also, small queue reported on /builders even though there are free builders means private packages waiting for publication before they can build.
[10:53] <cjwatson> cpaelzer: Nothing you need to worry about.
[11:22] <cpaelzer> great, good to know - thanks cjwatson
[14:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> Unit193: I just saw the patch. It says it conditionally uses dm-tool or gdmflexiserver. The problem is, we don't have dm-tool. It comes with lightdm afaik. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't see dm-tool with sddm. Nor do I see gdmflexiserver.
[14:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> Sorry for late reply. irssinotifier didn't start again on reboot.
[14:23] <Unit193> I don't know sddm, if there's a good way to detect use and a tool in sddm to do the same, add it to the wrapper in Debian and then start using it.  That way everyone benefits.
[14:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup! Running dm-tool -v on Elementary OS gives it as lightdm 1.26.0
[14:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> Okay. I will add it to wrapper and then use it once I find it.
[14:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> I asked #sddm those folks said there's a dbus we can use. I am trying to find out exactly which one.
[14:24] <Unit193> There's "support" for kdm in there, it seems the KDE/etc people don't care too much about it. :P
[14:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> Kde doesn't use screensaver. I pinged them once. I will ping again. :)
[14:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> *xscreensaver
[14:33] <Unit193> Heh, certainly not, KDM is long gone from what I know. :P
[17:13] <mdeslaur> rbasak, Skuggen: FYI, the wordpress setup script in eoan and focal needs updating for mysql 8.0: bug 1852775
[17:16] <Skuggen> mdeslaur: Ah, thanks. Looks like the same GRANT ... IDENTIFIED BY issue we've seen for some other packages as well
[20:08] <vorlon> doko: fwiw your py2-d-u-diff.sh seems to truncate some things (or else the report its pulling from does), software-center-aptdaemon-plugins is truncated as software-center-aptdaemon-


[08:51] <ogra> cjwatson, i committed an ABI bump (and a minor size change for the imx netboot image) to d-i to match the recent versions of imx/dove
[08:51] <ogra> apparently the kernels were uploaded shortly after your d-i upload yesterday :/
[08:51] <cjwatson> ogra: ok, could you please do the CIA things in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development so that this channel gets notified automatically
[08:54] <ogra> cjwatson, do you monitor the platform.$RELEASE seeds with it too ?
[08:54] <cjwatson> no
[08:54] <ogra> (i usually bump the ABI there as well)
[08:54] <ogra> ok
[08:54] <cjwatson> ogra: please go ahead and debcommit -r and upload that
[08:55] <ogra> will do
[08:59] <ogra> gar
[09:03]  * ogra wonders why CIA didnt pick up the commits now
[09:13] <cjwatson> ogra: well, there's no change in the branch on LP. Perhaps you need to push
[09:13] <cjwatson> ogra: (or, indeed, use 'bzr bind' so that you don't need to remember)
[09:13] <ogra> i did push, weird
[09:20] <CIA-33> debian-installer: ogra * r1179 debian-installer/debian/changelog: fix mail address
[09:20] <ogra> ha
[10:24] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3484 ubiquity/ (d-i/get-sources debian/changelog):
[10:24] <CIA-33> ubiquity: d-i/get-sources: Clear Dir::Etc::sourceparts, so that any local
[10:24] <CIA-33> ubiquity: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ isn't used.
[10:49] <CIA-33> casper: cjwatson * r696 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/25configure_init):
[10:49] <CIA-33> casper: Upstart moved /etc/event.d/ to /etc/init/; adjust shell provision on VTs
[10:49] <CIA-33> casper: to match (LP: #434769).
[10:54] <CIA-33> casper: cjwatson * r697 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.195
[11:52] <ogra> cjwatson, i was just grepping for "serial" in d-i and a bunch of dmesg files showed up, is there any specific reason to carry it in the code branch ?
[11:52] <ogra> (just curious)
[11:53] <cjwatson> not worth the delta of removing them, IMO
[11:53] <cjwatson> and they aren't mine to remove upstream
[11:53] <ogra> well, i was just wondering why they are there at all :)
[11:53] <cjwatson> they're in doc/ ...
[11:53] <cjwatson> I assume that whoever did the port (tbm?) found them useful
[11:54] <cjwatson> we do occasionally grep dmesg for things in d-i, so it's not entirely unreasonable
[11:54] <ogra> ah, i didnt know info/ is doc
[11:54] <cjwatson> look at the start of the path ... :)
[11:54] <ogra> lol, ok
[11:54] <ogra> i'm definately blind
[12:45] <ogra> hmm. the d-i code to autodetect serial consoles is definately more elegant than my current casper script
[13:11] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3485 ubiquity/debian/ (3 files):
[13:11] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Cope with the possibility that /etc/init.d/usplash may not exist, in
[13:11] <CIA-33> ubiquity: anticipation of usplash switching to Upstart jobs.
[13:15] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3486 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.99.25
[16:54] <CIA-33> debian-installer: ogra * r1180 debian-installer/debian/control: add redboot bootloader binaries to build-dep for the SD card netinst image for babbage boards
[16:58] <CIA-33> debian-installer: lool * r1181 ubuntu/debian/changelog: add changelog entry
[17:00] <cjwatson> ogra: could you 'bzr nick ubuntu' in that branch so that CIA's messages look right, please?
[17:01] <ogra> oh, i thought the nick is whats in front of the colon
[17:01]  * ogra fixes
[17:12] <cjwatson> bzr cia-project is what's in front of the colon
[17:13] <ogra> yeah, understood that now
[17:21] <CIA-33> debian-installer: lool * r1182 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[17:21] <CIA-33> debian-installer: * pkg-lists updates for armel+dove:
[17:21] <CIA-33> debian-installer:  - Add netboot/armel/dove.cfg to pull the input modules for USB keyboards.
[17:21] <CIA-33> debian-installer:  - Add cdrom/armel/dove.cfg to pull input modules as well as fat modules.
[19:04] <CIA-33> debian-installer: lool * r1183 ubuntu/debian/changelog: Release 20081029ubuntu64
[22:11] <davmor2> cjwatson: I think you might of over fixed the side by side install issue.  Vista now shows up in wubi's grub install even though ubuntu doesn't :)
[22:34] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3487 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules): Disable the intro message in preparation for Ubuntu 9.10 beta.
[22:38] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3488 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.99.26
[23:08] <lamalex> cjwatson: My company are not looking like they're willing to sign over the copyright for the partition size patch
[23:08] <lamalex> (why I have no fscking idea)
[23:09] <lamalex> IP rights are the biggest load of bs


[07:38] <pleia2> remember to add your names to the doc ;)
[07:38] <pleia2> sending to summary writers now
[07:43] <pleia2> it's 2:43am, sleeping now


[02:00] <KillerKiwi2005> How to you do apt:package links in the wiki?
[07:09] <ligemeget> What's up with the wiki? I can't create a new page!
[07:23] <ligemeget> yo?
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you logged in?
[07:24] <mdke> ligemeget: it's broken
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> mk
[07:25] <ligemeget> yes
[07:25] <ligemeget> Any ETA on when it's fixed? Is anyone working on it?
[07:26] <mdke> no idea
[07:26] <mdke> hopefully it will get fixed today
[07:26] <ligemeget> ok
[07:40] <ligemeget> btw, is translate-freeze in effect?
[07:46] <mdke> ligemeget: yes, for translations not included in language packs
[07:47] <mdke> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[07:47] <ligemeget> mdke, so ubuntu-doc is officially completely frozen, right?
[07:47] <mdke> ligemeget: yes
[07:48] <ligemeget> k
[07:48] <ligemeget> damn, I had a lot of translations waiting, but nobody had the time to proofread them :(
[07:48] <ligemeget> Oh well... They'll have to be in a later hardy-update then..
[07:52] <mdke> ligemeget: we will certainly do an update
[07:53] <ligemeget> ok - I'll continue translating then
[07:53] <ligemeget> Also, since the official Danish translation coordinators are busy until august-september, is there someone else I can poke in order to get my translations integrated?
[07:56] <ligemeget> also also, I believe that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/egonas1 is implemented, and should be marked as such..?
[07:56] <mdke> ligemeget: only people in ubuntu-l10n-da can help with that.
[07:56] <mdke> ligemeget: it sounds like you need more approved members in ubuntu-l10n-da to me
[07:56] <mdke> that spec has nothing to do with documentation, but I assume you are right
[07:57] <ligemeget> mdke, true. Actually, I'm considering applying for membership myself...
[08:04] <ligemeget> Now I've asked TLE for his opinion
[08:26] <ligemeget> btw, I FINALLY got my Creative X-Fi sound card working on hardy beta - should I write a wikiguide on how I did it..?
[08:26] <ligemeget> (providing the wiki gets some CPR...)
[09:34] <ligemeget> mdke, I know this has been discussed a million times before, but... are there any plans on upgrading MoinMoin on the wikis...?
[09:35] <LaserJock> plans ... yes
[09:35] <LaserJock> actually getting anywhere ... we'll see
[09:40] <ligemeget> heh, okay..


[12:15] <mdeslaur> arraybolt3: thanks! looking at it now
[19:27] <arraybolt3> looks like I have today only if I want to get TigerVNC out the door for Lunar :P am I in time?
[19:36] <mdeslaur> arraybolt3: sure :)
[19:36] <mdeslaur> I can publish it tomorrow too
[19:39] <arraybolt3> kk, getting the VMs set up now (this will take a while but I should be done before the end of today)
[19:40] <mdeslaur> cool, I'll publish them first thing tomorrow morning, before we shoot lunar in the head :)
[19:42] <mdeslaur> (in back of the security team barn)
[19:47] <arraybolt3> grief
[21:33] <teward> mdeslaur: i want in on some of that action. *brings the incendiary rounds for the deed*
[21:34] <mdeslaur> teward: whoa, we're just putting it out of its misery, not burning the whole barn down!
[21:35] <teward> :P
[21:36] <arraybolt3> when was teward ever about *not* burning the whole barn down?
[21:36] <arraybolt3> *ducks*
[21:36] <teward> *puts arraybolt3 in the salt mines*
[21:36] <mdeslaur> arraybolt3: ah, true :)
[21:38] <teward> well if the barn catches fire then we have to build a better barn :P
[21:42] <arraybolt3> sheesh so it took me like 30 minutes to figure out how on earth to get TigerVNC working because the documentation was so scattered. I literally had to resort to the Arch Wiki to get it going.
[21:43] <arraybolt3> anyway currently installing Lunar, then going to go to Jammy and Focal, these should go *fairly* fast.
[23:51] <arraybolt3> mdeslaur: Friendly ping to let you know https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tigervnc/+bug/2048442 testing is complete and has passed :)
[23:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 2048442 in tigervnc (Ubuntu Mantic) "CVE-2023-1393 and TigerVNC" [Medium, New]
[23:51] <mdeslaur> arraybolt3: awesome, I'll publish them first thing tomorrow. Thanks!
[23:52] <arraybolt3> Thank you!


[01:29] <ScottK> tumbleweed: No idea.  That was always a jdong_ tool.
[14:04] <Laney> I don't think prevu is needed any more
[14:04] <Laney> make sure no documentation mentions it
[14:05]  * Laney has just über synced haskell from sid
[14:05] <Laney> :-)
[14:35] <psusi> dear god, I had forgotten just how terrible cvs actually was... where's the real-life remove --purge command for cvs?
[15:20]  * tumbleweed watches his inbox fill up with Laney-uploads *again*
[15:22] <Laney> bad me?
[15:22] <tumbleweed> I guess you just got everything de-NEWed
[15:30] <Laney> 21 new emails: maybe
[16:04] <Laney> grr
[16:04] <Laney> university is being DoSed apparently
[16:10] <nigelb> By your emails?
[16:51] <Laney> erm
[17:31] <pmjdebruijn> hi all
[17:44] <pmjdebruijn> I am involved in a project (darktable), for which I maintained Ubuntu PPAs, we do packaging together with Debian (David Bremner), currently our last stable release 0.9.3 made it into Precise
[17:45] <pmjdebruijn> Our 0.9.3 release is fairly solid... and our future release schedule is unsure...
[17:45] <pmjdebruijn> however, is there a way to prevent 0.10 to be imported into Precise, if it has released and packaged by Debian
[17:47] <geser> you could try to get an archive admin to add a blacklist entry for this package (but it will also apply to new revisions of the current version)
[17:47] <pmjdebruijn> hmmm
[17:47] <pmjdebruijn> that's not entirely what I'd like
[17:48] <pmjdebruijn> since I'm "upstream" as well, I guess I should just monitor the situation
[17:48] <pmjdebruijn> when is the last automatic import from debian testing?
[17:49] <geser> Jan 12th (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule)
[17:49] <pmjdebruijn> ah
[17:49] <pmjdebruijn> thankyou
[18:06] <micahg> geser: pmjdebruijn: last Debian auto import is actually Jan 9, see parenthesis
[18:06] <pmjdebruijn> ah
[18:06] <pmjdebruijn> right
[18:07] <pmjdebruijn> tnx
[18:28] <psusi> how can you find out the process group that is currently controlling a tty?
[19:41] <blair> debian updated the package (rbtools in unstable) i was trying to get into ubuntu 12.04, now i just need to wait to see that the automatic sync happen?
[19:42] <broder> blair: it should get autosynced shortly after it hits testing
[20:02] <blair> broder, when does that happen?  i can always request a sync from unstable?
[20:02] <broder> blair: packages take 10 days to get migrated to testing - you can watch it at http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rbtools.html
[20:03] <broder> you can request a sync from unstable if you think the fix is urgent - use requestsync from ubuntu-dev-tools
[20:03] <blair> no, it's not urgent, i just would like it in 12.04 since i'm trying to get our 500+ desktops on the OS
[20:04] <ScottK> blair: It should be fine.  Plenty of time before the deadline.
[20:04] <ScottK> blair: You wouldn't happen to know if that version of the package has the changes for bzr integration do you?
[23:01] <blair> ScottK, yes, it should.  The bzr branch I created has the effectively the same changes in it, but I may have redone the work inside of a Debian context instead of an Ubuntu one.  Also, the Debian maintainer put some additional changes into what's in Debian now, so it's a superset of my work
[23:02] <ScottK> blair: Thanks.
[23:03] <blair> ScottK, should I delete my branch
[23:03] <ScottK> I think so.
[23:03] <ScottK> Just double check the Debian package covers everything you were trying to do.


[03:35] <ahoneybun> opps
[03:35] <ahoneybun> mhall119, sorry about that keith had a few things I wanted then we had sushi lol
[22:27] <ahoneybun> mhall119, still around?
[22:53] <mhall119> ahoneybun: kinda
[22:54] <ahoneybun> alright then don;t worry lol


[03:57] <hloeung> about to cut over LP PPA to new FWs
[04:00] <hloeung> done
[08:46] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, can you please use the stick again? ppc64el queue is huge again...
[08:48] <tomwardill> LocutusOfBorg: cjwatson is off today, let me see if I can find someone with an appropriate stick
[10:15] <mvo> is something in LP unhappy right now? dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcefiles/systemd/229-4ubuntu21.22/systemd_229-4ubuntu21.22.dsc gives me a 503 (after some wait)
[10:15] <mvo> (and now 502)
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> tomwardill, do you have the stick around again?
[12:34] <ricotz> hi, I am wondering why this happened? - "Failed to upload" - https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+build/17288531 ? I guess the successfully built binaries are gone
[13:24] <mapreri> pretty much everything feels slow right now, including timeouts in pages that previously opened just fine (e.g. OOPS-2a1dfc12a12a11761a9003817be15ff7)
[13:24] <mapreri> cjwatson: ↑
[13:47] <RikMills> mapreri: a message earlier said cjwats*n is off today
[13:48] <RikMills> pull-lp-souce just failed with 502: proxy error
[13:48] <RikMills> *source
[13:50] <tomwardill> there's a bunch of problems with the librarian atm, it's being looked at
[13:51] <RikMills> thanks
[13:52] <tomwardill> I think everything has friday afternoon feeling
[13:53]  * RikMills ponders an early Friday beer o'clock in that case
[15:18] <tomwardill> librarian a bit happier now, hopefully everything back to some semblance of normal
[15:47] <RikMills> builders still look very poorly
[15:57] <seb128> hey there
[15:57] <seb128> unsure if that's the right place to ask, but is launchpad out of builders capacity atm?
[15:57] <seb128> I've an eoan upload where none or the arch is building, it claims "start in 3 hours" on amd64
[15:58] <seb128> I didn't see any stack of big upload on eoan-changes so it looks weird
[15:59] <RikMills> seb128: https://launchpad.net/builders/
[15:59] <RikMills> looks like there is much trouble in builder land
[16:00] <seb128> RikMills, thx, I pinged canonical #is about it
[16:02] <RikMills> yeah. various things (e.g. librarian) have been broken much of the afternoon :/
[16:02] <RikMills> apparently cjwats*n is having a 'day off'. he chose that well!
[16:15] <sahil> I have created a debian package for a java project using a plugin now I just have .changes file and .deb file, so my question is can I upload my package to ppa?


[00:22] <khod> How do I find out if I have the newest sdk i intalled with the repo and its version 1.221
[01:35] <khod> :-1: error: security_policy_version_matches_framework (game/game.apparmor): 1.2 != 1.3 (ubuntu-sdk-15.04) anyone seen this error before, just trying to run the bacon2d example no changes on my nexus 4 running 15.04 r26
[01:36] <khod> ah commited bug had to delete some of it for google to find something
[02:09] <ahayzen> khod, looks like the apparmor profile version is incorrect (not matching your framework) check in your .apparmor file and try changing the policy version to 1.3
[02:10] <khod> ah thanks so much
[02:13] <khod> a security policys window pops up allowing me to add to the list but nowhere to change it to 1.3
[02:23] <ahayzen> khod, you should be able to select "JSON" and manually type it
[02:24] <ahayzen> or just open the file in a plain text editor
[02:40] <khod> thanks again
[02:59] <khod> that is fixed but i get this error, module "Bacon2D" is not installed which the template was already there. is there a way to check I thought this was all part of the sdk but i did try to install like the github said
[03:12] <ahayzen> khod, probably best to ask kenvandine when he is about as he has made most of the Bacon2D stuff
[03:42] <khod> will do I talked to him earlier today
[03:43] <khod> should I email (the one from git hub) him or would the most polite way be to wait till he gets back on the irc
[03:54] <nhaines> khod: probably depends on how quickly you need the answer, or if you want to discuss back and forth.
[03:57] <khod> good call i've never got anything solved in one ask, better wait to get more answers haha
[03:58] <nhaines> Yup.  :)
[04:09] <khod> eh, im just a little odd i guess, didn't see when I installed it mentions that what I did is outdated and has a link and now everything works fine. Learning to code is gonna be real hard if I dont read lol and I havent even started yet.
[05:09] <nhaines> khod: well, now you're off to a good start.  :)
[09:15] <alexforsale> can someone help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/13090385/ ?
[09:16] <alexforsale> somehow it doesnt mount the /firmware partition
[09:16] <alexforsale> the device detected by lsusb, but no adb
[09:18] <alexforsale> init: Failed to spawn adbd main process: unable to execute: Permission denied
[09:20] <alexforsale> btw is this the right channel for porting?
[09:32] <abeato> tsdgeos, morning, did you already try silo 9 again?
[09:32] <tsdgeos> abeato: yeah i did, the ui freeze is still there
[09:32] <tsdgeos> abeato: you can't reproduce it?
[09:32] <abeato> tsdgeos, nope
[09:32] <abeato> never happened to me
[09:32] <abeato> tsdgeos, is the other error gone?
[09:32] <tsdgeos> sounds to me you're just doing sync dbus calls that freeze the ui
[09:33] <tsdgeos> the other error was gone since i reworked the code
[09:33] <tsdgeos> so i don't know if you fixed it or not
[09:33] <abeato> he
[09:33] <tsdgeos> i can try the testcases if you want
[09:33] <abeato> well, I guess you can go back to your older code if you prefer that
[09:38] <tsdgeos> abeato: yes the other bugs seem to be fixed, or at least the testcases now work
[09:38] <tsdgeos> abeato: want me to record a video of the ui freeze i speak about so you can see it?
[09:39] <abeato> great
[09:39] <abeato> tsdgeos, that could we good, also the output of dbus-monitor can be interesing
[09:39] <abeato> tsdgeos, how many tracks do you have around?
[09:41] <abeato> tsdgeos, btw, I noticed that in some cases the "play" icon does not change to "pause" when starting to play a song from the scope
[09:41] <abeato> although the song starts playing
[09:42] <tsdgeos> abeato: and can you scroll the list in that case?
[09:42] <tsdgeos> abeato: i have 10 tracks
[09:42] <abeato> tsdgeos, I play it direvtly from the Music scope
[09:43] <tsdgeos> yes
[09:43] <abeato> I see there 2 songs, one from an album with more songs, the other is the only one from that album
[09:44] <abeato> no scroll
[09:44] <abeato> tsdgeos, re: the freeze please attach output of unity8-dash too
[09:44] <tsdgeos> abeato: so you are not following the steps the bug mentions to reproduce
[09:45] <abeato> weird it is only 10, I have actually some more and all is smooth
[09:45] <abeato> I was not talking about the bug
[09:45] <abeato> ---> I noticed that in some cases the "play" icon does not change to "pause" when starting to play a song from the scope
[09:45] <tsdgeos> i don't know what we're talking about :D
[09:45] <abeato> about that ^^
[09:45] <tsdgeos> abeato: yes, it does not change to pause because it's frozen
[09:45] <abeato> unity8 is not forzen
[09:45] <abeato> *froxen
[09:46] <tsdgeos> you don't know since you can't scroll
[09:46] <tsdgeos> do you?
[09:46] <abeato> I can
[09:46] <tsdgeos> how do you know it's not frozen?
[09:46] <tsdgeos> you jus said you couldn't because there was no scroll!
[09:46] <abeato> it's a different issue
[09:46] <abeato> I thought you were talking about the scroll in the daparment
[09:46] <abeato> department
[09:48] <tsdgeos> ok, let's restart :D
[09:48] <tsdgeos> when you say you press play and it doesn't turn to pause
[09:48] <tsdgeos> can you scroll that view up/down ?
[09:48] <abeato> yes
[09:49] <tsdgeos> while that happens?
[09:49] <abeato> yes
[09:49] <abeato> again, I was talking about a separate issue to the freeze
[09:49] <abeato> the icon never changes
[09:49] <abeato> it is not that there is a delay
[09:52] <tsdgeos> never? i have not seen that
[09:52] <tsdgeos> how do you reproduce it?
[09:52] <abeato> 2 songs, one is a single, the other is from an album
[09:53] <abeato> play the one from the album in Music scope
[09:53] <abeato> then play the single
[09:53] <abeato> it starts playing normally
[09:53] <abeato> but the play icon does not change
[09:54] <abeato> admittedly I do not have the latest version of the scopes silo though
[09:54] <abeato> but I can try to install it
[10:01] <tsdgeos> abeato: you play both from the Music scope, that right?
[10:01] <abeato> correct
[10:04] <tsdgeos> ok, i'll have a look later, wonder what it is :/
[10:05] <abeato> great
[10:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Sandwich Day! 😃
[11:15] <Guest42341> hi all, i have question
[11:46] <victor_bq> Hi all
[11:46] <victor_bq> any body knows how to gather logs from battery stats¿
[11:58] <jibel> victor_bq, what do you mean by 'logs from battery stats' exactly ?
[11:59] <victor_bq> well, I just want to know how to pull logs about battery. How it drops for example
[12:00] <jibel> victor_bq, if you want the current status of the battery you can query upower
[12:00] <jibel> something like : upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_battery
[12:01] <jibel> victor_bq, the kernel also provides data about the state of the battery in /sys/class/power_supply/battery/
[12:01] <victor_bq> great, does it show battery consumption history or similar?
[12:02] <victor_bq> it's ok for now I'll try :)
[12:02] <mcphail> I'd like to know if it is possible to tell what has consumed battery over the past 24h. I had an abnormally high drain on Friday
[12:02] <Guest42341> power consumption per app would be nice
[12:02] <victor_bq> that's exactly what I want to gather from costumers :)
[12:02] <Guest42341> we need more data
[12:02] <victor_bq> that's reported I think
[12:03] <victor_bq> ohh my mistake, I reported about mobile data consumption per app
[12:03] <jgdx> victor_bq, IIRC this [1] discussion had a lot of good tools/ways of generating data. [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powerd/+bug/1372413
[12:04] <victor_bq> nice!
[12:04] <victor_bq> thank you guys
[12:05] <victor_bq> I've got a friend with 60% consumption in idle during the night :o
[12:05] <victor_bq> I'll try to get fresh logs
[12:06] <victor_bq> Guest42341 I take your suggestion for a bug if is not already reported :)
[12:07] <Guest42341> victor_bq, on the stable channel? i have now 0-1% / night on rc-proposed arale
[12:07] <jibel> victor_bq, there is no history AFAIK. But you can do a cron job or a small shell script to gather the data periodically. It won't run when the device is suspended, tough. Best thing to measure real power consumption is a multimeter.
[12:07] <Guest42341> victor_bq, the stable is 100 times more buggier than rc-proposed
[12:07] <Guest42341> victor_bq, i have no idea why people use the "stable" channel
[12:09] <victor_bq> yes, devices on stable channel has this problem :)
[12:09] <ogra_> Guest42341, because it gets the most QA
[12:09] <jibel> Guest42341, where does your 100 times buggier comes from?
[12:10] <victor_bq> all bugfixes from rc-proposed are moved to stable channel so it should be equal right? =)
[12:10] <Guest42341> ogra_, you have to live with the bugs for months
[12:10] <Guest42341> not than pleasant
[12:10] <Guest42341> jibel, random()
[12:11] <ogra_> victor_bq, yeah, at OTA ... between the OTAs rc-proposed can indeed be less buggy but is also nearly untested as a whole
[12:11] <Guest42341> and besides all the devs probably use the rc-proposed
[12:11] <ogra_> the final image tests for an OTA only happen at the end
[12:11] <jibel> Guest42341, heh, like the battery graph ;) j/k
[12:12] <mcphail> This was my drain on Friday. Played a podcast in the morning, but otherwise no real use - http://themcphails.uk/drain.png
[12:12] <ogra_> wrt battery graph sturmflut once did an interesting research comparing the little-kernel (bootloader kernel) with the actual system kernel and found quite some discrepancies
[12:13] <ogra_> i wonder if many of our issues stem from that
[12:13] <ogra_> (and i dont think anyone looked further, but given that the little-kernel actually initializes the hardware that would be my first area to look)
[12:14] <mcphail> I've been bitten by differences in what the "phone" thinks the charge is, and what "Ubuntu" thinks. That may be the system vs little kernel issue
[12:15] <ogra_> right
[12:17] <mcphail> OS was reporting 64% charge, whereas phone would not switch on without USB power as battery flat
[12:17] <popey> mcphail, did you use the camera at all?
[12:17] <mcphail> popey: no
[12:17] <popey> Someone at OggCamp said he opened the camera, it froze, he swiped away, and immediately after that he saw dramatic power drain like yours
[12:17] <mcphail> popey: just podbird in the morning
[12:18] <mcphail> popey: might have been the Ubuntu podcast, so I'll blame you
[12:18] <mcphail> ;)
[12:40] <dholbach> has anyone seen display problems with kernel messages like this on arale? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13091195/
[14:29] <Mirv> renatu: hey, thanks for testing, please edit the https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/584 and set it to "Ready for QA"
[14:30] <renatu> Mirv, doing that right now
[14:30] <renatu> Mirv, thanks for the the fix
[14:30] <renatu> Mirv, could you check that? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpim-opensource-src/+bug/1462989
[14:33] <Mirv> renatu: ok, I'll provide a PPA for that next
[14:34] <renatu> thanks
[14:49] <abeato> tsdgeos, I've been digging in the freeze issue, it looks essentially like a storm of dbus calls due to too many qt signals being emitted
[14:50] <abeato> tsdgeos, I can mitigate it, but also it looks like the playlist is being re-created each time a song is selected, even if it is already in the current playlist
[14:51] <abeato> tsdgeos, so it might be worth making sure that playlists are not recreated in that case and see if performance improves in that case
[14:52] <ahayzen> abeato, that sounds possibly similar to the issue i'm having with the music-app freezing/taking ages when you make a playlist for the second time
[14:53] <abeato> ahayzen, yep, it is the case I'd say
[14:53] <abeato> jhodapp, ^^
[14:53] <ahayzen> abeato, what are the steps you are performing to cause this issue?
[14:54] <jhodapp> oh interesting
[14:54] <jhodapp> ahayzen, don't do that ;)
[14:54] <ahayzen> abeato, if its a small playlist (1 album) it seems to be ok, but when 1) click on the first track in Songs (creates playlist 250 tracks) 2) press back 3) click on the first track in Songs (recreates 250 track playlist) it appears to be stuck indefinitely
[14:55] <ahayzen> jhodapp, ;-)
[14:55] <abeato> ahayzen, well, it triggers doing a playlist for a second time, exactly like that
[14:55] <tsdgeos> abeato: yes, the playlist is recreated each time
[14:55] <ahayzen> ok so we both have the same issue :-)
[14:55] <tsdgeos> abeato: it has to be recreated, that's the design
[14:56] <abeato> jhodapp, QMediaPlaylist::syncControls() seems to be the main culprit
[14:56] <jhodapp> abeato, what are you testing when this happens?
[14:56] <ahayzen> internally we would be doing Playlist.addTracks() Playlist.clear() Playlist.addTracks()
[14:56] <abeato> tsdgeos, even if you play a song that is already in the list? I know it's a workaround, but might help things
[14:56] <jhodapp> abeato, syncControls's purpose is to copy the initial networkPlaylistControl's items into our version of the playlist
[14:57] <jhodapp> which are the initial items
[14:57] <tsdgeos> abeato: it is because it has to change the order of the tracks
[14:57] <abeato> jhodapp, it adds media one by one
[14:57] <abeato> which is crap
[14:57] <abeato> it should use your new function ;)
[14:57] <abeato> tsdgeos, ok, got it
[14:57] <jhodapp> abeato, update it...syncControls was written before addTracks()
[14:57] <ahayzen> abeato, music uses the new function but that still has the issue
[14:58] <ahayzen> but i'm not sure if its causing our saveQueue to be hit for *every* track or something lol
[14:58] <jhodapp> abeato, I agree
[14:58] <tsdgeos> abeato: can't we not do those dbus calls on the main thread so it's not blocked?
[14:59] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, wouldn't the main thread be the context that would block?
[15:00] <tsdgeos> jhodapp: bad english construction, i mean "do dbus calls not on the main thread"
[15:00] <tsdgeos> sorry ^_^
[15:00] <jhodapp> tsdgeos, right ok, we'll have to do something like that if we can't get it performant enough
[17:19] <zaolin1> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11970391/Internet-firms-to-be-banned-from-offering-out-of-reach-communications-under-new-laws.html
[17:20] <nhaines> I guess the UK hates having cell phones.
[17:20] <Stskeeps> wonder how that applies to OS makers in UK
[17:20] <zaolin1> Yep, that's a good question.
[17:26] <zaolin1> I guess all products coming from canonical must have a backdoor...
[17:27] <nhaines> Presumably it would only apply to cloud service storage, which Ubuntu doesn't offer.
[17:37] <sil2100> alecu, kgunn, Saviq: hey guys, I would need a final decision on which team should be the one 'owning' (subscribed) to the unity-api package: unity-ui-team or unity-api-team
[17:37] <sil2100> I want to include unity-api in main and it's required for us to get a proper team owning it
[17:40] <khod> Kenvandine, i want a clean template with bacon2d so do i only need to delete from the main.qml and the whole ball.qml?
[17:44] <alecu> sil2100: sounds like it's unity-api-team
[17:45] <sil2100> alecu: hm, I suppose you should become an admin of unity-api-team - does that sound correct?
[17:45] <alecu> sil2100: yes, it sounds ok
[17:46] <alecu> sil2100: several people on my team are admins there, so I'll ask to get admin too.
[17:46] <sil2100> I'll make you the admin now
[17:46] <Saviq> alecu, if you want it, I won't fight you :)
[17:46] <sil2100> ;)
[17:46] <sil2100> I would like you guys to sort it out and we can then subscribe the proper team and get it included in main
[17:47] <alecu> sil2100: thanks
[17:48] <alecu> sil2100: what's the lp project for that package? https://launchpad.net/unity-scopes-api ?
[17:48] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/unity-api
[17:48] <sil2100> alecu: by looking at the commiters, I thought more about unity-ui-team, but looking at the naming, unity-api-team is more fitting
[17:48] <sil2100> That's why I wanted you guys to decide who should be the final owner
[17:49] <omgCATS> i think there is something wrong with mediascanner
[17:49] <omgCATS> it's killing my battery (arale)
[17:50]  * omgCATS from now on i am keeping an eye on what drains the battery
[17:55] <sil2100> Saviq, alecu: if you guys could give me a final decision soonish than I could continue on pushing the MIR request
[17:55] <Saviq> alecu, I think we know more about what unity-api is, probably more sense for us to own it
[17:57] <alecu> sil2100: I think saviq is right
[17:57] <Saviq> sil2100, /us, then
[18:00] <sil2100> Saviq, alecu: ok, thanks!
[18:00] <sil2100> Saviq: ok, I see that since I'm not an admin at unity-ui-team, could you subscribe the unity-ui-team on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-api ?
[18:01] <sil2100> Saviq: so that all bug-mail would be sent to that team
[18:01] <sil2100> It's a req for main inclusion
[18:01] <Saviq> sil2100, done, I think
[18:01] <sil2100> Saviq: yes, thanks :)
[18:06] <kenvandine> khod, sure, you can do that
[18:06] <kenvandine> khod, so you started out with the game template?
[18:09] <khod> Yes
[18:10] <khod> Is there a better way
[18:13] <kenvandine> khod, nope, just making sure it all worked for you :)
[18:13] <khod> Yes it took me a bit of doing and mostly help in here.
[18:14] <khod> I had to go into apparmor as a plain text file and change the number 1.2 to a 1.3 or the app would force close as soon as it opened. That happend on both the desktop and the phone (n4 not an emulator)
[18:15] <kenvandine> ugh
[18:15] <kenvandine> i guess i need to update the template ;)
[18:27] <khod> In the zip for you main.qml on pathwind i dont see much of anything inside is your main program file somewhere else in the zip?
[18:27] <khod> Kenvandine
[18:29] <kenvandine> khod, zip?
[18:29] <kenvandine> oh, did you download the source from github as a zip file?
[18:31] <kenvandine> khod, you should look at the ubuntu branch, not master
[18:31] <kenvandine> https://github.com/kenvandine/pathwind/blob/ubuntu/qml/ubuntu.qml
[18:32] <kenvandine> that's the main qml file
[18:32] <kenvandine> not much too it
[18:32] <kenvandine> khod, this is more interesting https://github.com/kenvandine/pathwind/blob/ubuntu/qml/GameView.qml
[18:33] <kenvandine> khod, and this is the playing scene https://github.com/kenvandine/pathwind/blob/ubuntu/qml/PlayingScene.qml
[18:34] <khod> Now were talking!! Thanks again
[18:35] <khod> I want to make a side scroller akin to the favorite part of an old snes game
[18:36] <khod> But pathwind will help alot in me finishing it i believe
[18:36] <khod> It will still be very different not trying to step on toes lol
[18:38] <kenvandine> khod, no worries
[18:38] <kenvandine> you should look at the flappy bird example though
[18:38] <kenvandine> it's using the newer  API
[18:40] <kenvandine> khod, that flappy bird example uses an InfiniteScrollEntity
[18:40] <kenvandine> in fact, that's why we added that component :)
[18:40] <kenvandine> it would make pathwind simpler
[18:41] <kenvandine> khod, basically pathwind is a pretty old example of a bacon2d game, in fact it doesn't even work with the latest version of bacon2d :)
[18:43] <khod2> Kenvandine sorry still here judt lost my nick on a disconnect for some reason
[18:44] <khod2> I will check flappy bird first the more basic the better
[18:44] <kenvandine> cool
[18:44] <kenvandine> khod2, you can hang out in #bacon2d too
[18:45] <kenvandine> paulvap wrote the flappy bird example, usually hangs on in that channel to
[18:45] <kenvandine> not there now though
[19:20] <khod2> Is zbird the flappy bird game you mentioned kenvandine
[19:22] <OerHeks> https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.roman2861.zbird
[19:25] <khod2> I just want to make sure it is the same because he mentioned a flappy bird on touch useing the newer api
[19:25] <kenvandine> khod2, no
[19:25] <kenvandine> khod2, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwjGsPLc_fTIAhXBHT4KHegJAc8&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fpaulovap%2Fbacon2d-flappybird&usg=AFQjCNHk-RfYe8KgGRwE3jKHaTXw_jMscw&sig2=dj8YubBUIxJygeBnIXa6mA&bvm=bv.106379543,d.cWw
[19:25] <kenvandine> damn
[19:25] <kenvandine> https://github.com/paulovap/bacon2d-flappybird
[19:25] <kenvandine> khod2, ^^
[19:26] <khod2> Ah
[19:31] <brendand> balloons, yoyo
[19:31] <balloons> bregma, oi
[19:31] <brendand> balloons, hey i only had the wrong channel :P
[19:31] <khod2> Kenvandine It hasn't hit the ubuntu store yet?
[19:31] <balloons> ugh
[19:32]  * brendand waves at bregma
[19:32] <brendand> balloons, i feel an illness coming on, is it possible to shunt my session to thursday?
[19:32] <brendand> balloons, better safe than sorry
[19:33] <balloons> brendand, let's see what space we have
[19:33] <balloons> we certainly can shift it
[19:34] <brendand> balloons, i wasn't really prepared anyway so maybe my bodies helping me out :P
[19:34] <balloons> lol
[19:34] <brendand>  no slides you say? quick, a fever!
[19:35] <balloons> brendand, 1500 on thursday>
[19:35] <balloons> ?
[20:43] <brendand> balloons, sorry, yeah that's good
[21:41] <Ubuntouch> Hello
[21:41] <Ubuntouch> how's everyone doin g
[21:41] <Ubuntouch> doing*
[21:43] <Ubuntouch> any love for an ASUS Nexus 7 2012 wifi? Not sure what the dev status is for touch on this old tablet. Not in the active dev section or in the abandoned area...
[21:44] <balloons> Ubuntouch, the old nexus 7 has a very difficult gpu
[21:45] <Ubuntouch> Hey, thanks for the reply balloons.
[21:47] <Ubuntouch> Are there any stale images for this device? Running CGM on it right now and just wanted to play around with touch and get the feel for it, my Nexus 10 is my primary tablet.
[21:48] <Ubuntouch> if by "difficult gpu" you mean artifacting/freezing/etc I could probably live with that just to take a look at it, unless you think it will brick/softbrick the tablet.
[21:50] <Ubuntouch> I thought this thing had an NVIDIA Tegra III?
[21:55] <balloons> the gpu driver is buggy and also locked down afaik
[21:56] <Ubuntouch> bummer, I see on the Tube that people have been installing full on ubuntu on these, I would imagine that would be pretty damned buggy... lol..
[21:56] <Ubuntouch> Thanks for your input balloons. Have a nice day.
[21:57] <balloons> Ubuntouch, the 2013 nexus 7 works like a champ
[21:57] <Ubuntouch> Yeah, I still don't want to shell out the 140+ bucks for one, the 10" tablet is more than enough for me atm
[21:58] <balloons> http://askubuntu.com/questions/633788/installing-ubuntu-touch-on-nexus-7-2012-now-that-it-is-no-longer-supported
[21:58] <Ubuntouch> and the 7" was a hand-me-down because of the usb/sound board issue, going to replace that and wanted to mess around with some different OS'es in the meantime.
[22:01] <Ubuntouch> Thanks for the link balloons. By far the best IRC experience I've had in years. People generally just park and PM in virtually every IRC I have joined in the last 10 years... lol...
[22:03] <Ubuntouch> When the live-chat link took me to an IRC room I was like "oh great, (insert cricket chirping sounds)"
[22:09] <balloons> lol
[22:09] <dobey> the last images that were built for the grouper (2012 n7) were entirely unusable
[22:09] <dobey> so i wouldn't even waste time trying to get one running on it
[22:17] <Ubuntouch> Yeah dobey, I have been reading up on it and even the sources are deprecated so it's more of a pain in the @$$ than it used to be. I am over it already... lol...
[22:19] <Ubuntouch> Sad though, it's gone the way of my old Moto Electrify 4G... Motorola promised to push ICS to these devices then silently released 2.3.5 OTA which locked the bootloader. All the devs gave up on it due to moto being proprietary jerks


[12:44] <SpudDogg> @schedule new york
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 07 Mar 07:00: Edubuntu | 08 Mar 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 06:00: LoCo Team | 12 Mar 14:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 12:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 16:00: Technical Board
[02:19] <_3oo3> ?? what's ubuntu?
[02:23] <PriceChild> Hey _3oo3
[02:23] <PriceChild> !ubuntu | _3oo3
[02:23] <PriceChild> bah
[02:24] <PriceChild> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[02:33] <_3oo3> i have no idea what that means, really, other than 'its a linux distro'
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> _3oo3: what else did you need to know?
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> Actually, this should be an #ubuntu-offtopic question - see you there.
[02:35] <_3oo3> what ubuntu is is an offtopic question?  that's obscene :\
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> For -meeting it is, see the topic
[02:36] <_3oo3> development, right?
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> This is the channel for various online meetings for all kinds of teams.  #ubuntu is support questions.  #ubuntu-offtopic is general chat.
[02:37] <_3oo3> oh, so it isn't open to the public?
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> It's open to join, sure - but it still has a topic to stick to, like any other channel.
[02:40] <_3oo3> so you guys talk about meetings in here?  like for waht?
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> No, we *have* meetings.  That'll be all.
[02:47] <_3oo3> Meetings about meetings?  All I see is 'meeting'...no topic...you should fix that, because I'm really confused, now.
[03:03] <_3oo3> well, that explains why no one wanted to tell me in here.  you should have a meeting about user knowledgability, and how to make it start happening.
[12:30] <LongPointyStick> @schedule sydney
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 07 Mar 23:00: Edubuntu | 09 Mar 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 21:00: LoCo Team | 13 Mar 05:00: Derivative Team | 14 Mar 03:00: Forum Council | 14 Mar 07:00: Technical Board
[12:30] <LongPointyStick> @schedle
[12:30] <LongPointyStick> @schedule
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 07 Mar 12:00: Edubuntu | 08 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 10:00: LoCo Team | 12 Mar 18:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board
[01:01] <cbx33> meeing 5 minutes?
[01:01] <cbx33> meeting
[01:08] <daviey> @schedule london
[01:08] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 08 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 10:00: LoCo Team | 12 Mar 18:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board
[01:08] <ogra> so, seems we're not many today
[01:08] <ogra> RichEd didnt show up yet after travelling home
[01:09] <ogra> no idea where willvdl is at ...
[01:09] <cbx33> poor guy he must be shattered
[01:09] <ogra> (but i havent checked the holiday schedule)
[01:09] <cbx33> didn't willvdl say he was going on holiday
[01:09] <ogra> i trust that he is ;)
[01:09] <ogra> sooo, tech update ...
[01:10] <ogra> the winfoss software entered the add-on CD this week
[01:10] <highvoltage> been a while since we had everyone here
[01:10] <highvoltage> maybe next week :)
[01:10] <cbx33> yeh
[01:10] <ogra> in case you have a windown machine around, please test it
[01:10] <ogra> and report bugs if you find any
[01:11] <cbx33> of course
[01:11] <cbx33> ;)
[01:11] <ogra> apart from that herd5 went well ...
[01:11] <ogra> if you did test installs you might have noticed that the -generic kernel was installed on ltsp clients
[01:11] <ogra> i'm just reverting that to the i386 kernel again (costs us 20M or so on the server CD)
[01:12] <ogra> i finished off the last bits of the pulseaudio channge over the weekend ...
[01:12] <ogra> esound emulation works completely again ... so you can hear even sounds again
[01:12] <cbx33> w00t
[01:13] <cbx33> dude you rock
[01:13] <ogra> (apart from volume control and full alsa support indeed)
[01:13] <highvoltage> what's the benefit of using a i386 kernel?
[01:13] <ogra> pulse somehow limited the samplesize to 1024 bytes
[01:13] <ogra> highvoltage, support for real 386 hardware
[01:13] <highvoltage> ok
[01:13] <ogra> some VIA boards need it for example
[01:14] <ogra> apart from that it's minimally smaller, buzt thats not significant
[01:14] <highvoltage> ah i see
[01:14] <cbx33> ogra: do you do cplusplus ?
[01:14] <ogra> atm i'm finishing a locale plugin that sets fonts, keymaps and language to the servers defaults
[01:15] <ogra> so no more XKbLayout in lts.conf is needed unless you use multiple langs
[01:15] <ogra> i'm also working on a default lts.conf for ltsp itself ... (edubuntu already had one )
[01:16] <ogra> so that we have SOUND and LOCALDEV as well as NETWORK_SWAP set to true in *all* installs
[01:17] <ogra> my next ltsp upload will be called version 5.0.1 btw ... (in agreement with ltsp.org)
[01:18] <ogra> cbx33, could you prepare a package of TCM that has the userlist stuff fixed asap ...
[01:18] <cbx33> ogra I can try to get that done tonight
[01:18] <cbx33> did you check my bzr repo yet
[01:18] <ogra> great
[01:18] <cbx33> cos then I can use that
[01:18] <cbx33> which has lots of fixes
[01:18] <ogra> nope, not yet, its on my list for today stuff
[01:19] <highvoltage> cbx**, sounds like its time to step up testing again
[01:19] <ogra> yes, please take the bzr tree as base
[01:19] <cbx33> ogra: there is that ugly fix
[01:19] <cbx33> I would like if you can suggest/make another alternative
[01:19] <cbx33> I know you don;t like mine
[01:20] <ogra> give me time to look at it first ... i'm currently in ltsp stuff ... please make sure to pull in my last fix to the package (transitional package and conflicts/replaces)
[01:20] <cbx33> yeh done
[01:21] <ogra> ok
[01:21] <cbx33> i'm pretty sure the bzr tree has those already
[01:23] <ogra> ok, any other tech stuff ?
[01:23] <cbx33> other than a general question
[01:23] <cbx33> ogra do you do cplusplus
[01:23] <cbx33> no
[01:23] <ogra> no
[01:23] <cbx33> Gah....
[01:23] <cbx33> hehe :p
[01:23] <ogra> i stay away from it as far as i can ...
[01:23] <ogra> even though its sometimes not avoidable to touch it
[01:23] <cbx33> hehe
[01:24] <cbx33> why so
[01:24] <cbx33> outta interest
[01:24] <ogra> its ugly
[01:24] <cbx33> last question I promise :)
[01:24] <cbx33> you prefer C?
[01:24] <ogra> i prefer python
[01:24] <cbx33> hehe
[01:24] <cbx33> me too
[01:24] <ogra> C is a necessary evil
[01:24] <cbx33> but the opengl stuff requires c
[01:24] <cbx33> python is too dog slow
[01:24] <ogra> anyway, lets stay on track :)
[01:24] <cbx33> of course
[01:24] <cbx33> sorry
[01:25] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/anastacia.txt shows that edubuntu-docs is waition for a freindly archive-admin ;)
[01:25] <ogra> *waiting
[01:25] <cbx33> artwork? - Lisa is still working away....been very busy working with paid work
[01:25] <ogra> i have to contact kwwii
[01:26] <ogra> there was noting new from anywhere for artwork during the lsat weeks
[01:26] <ogra> *lastz
[01:26] <ogra> meh
[01:26] <cbx33> you mean edubutnu or ubuntu ingeneral?
[01:26] <ogra> edubuntu
[01:27] <cbx33> kwwii told us that he may not have time to do edubuntu artwork at all
[01:27] <cbx33> and he was going to mail us to confirm
[01:27] <cbx33> then I was going to mail to you
[01:27] <ogra> hmm, when was that ?
[01:27] <ogra> he didnt tell me anything
[01:27] <cbx33> well.....about a week ago
[01:27] <cbx33> and he had a week to tell us
[01:27] <ogra> i'll poke him then
[01:27] <cbx33> but he hasn;t emailed lisa to say she has to take up all the flack
[01:28] <ogra> i'll clearify it with him
[01:28] <cbx33> ok
[01:29] <ogra> any other artwork stuff ?
[01:29] <cbx33> well
[01:29] <cbx33> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette
[01:29] <cbx33> but i don't think there is anything new
[01:29] <ogra> oh,m is there new stuff ?
[01:29] <ogra> ah
[01:29] <cbx33> ahh yes
[01:29] <cbx33> the greeny one
[01:30] <cbx33> with the numbers
[01:30] <cbx33> is from a community contributor in indonesia
[01:30] <cbx33> lisa asked them to make some changes which they did
[01:31] <ogra> i like it, but the people are to present for a default ...
[01:31] <ogra> it makes it a bit restive
[01:32] <ogra> but the number stuff is great
[01:32] <cbx33> yes
[01:32] <cbx33> that's it for artwork
[01:33] <ogra> ok
[01:33] <cbx33> the book chapter is as far as I know with mako
[01:33] <ogra> probably lisa could forward my comment about the number pic ?
[01:33] <cbx33> sure
[01:33] <ogra> it seems like a good one with some more changes ...
[01:34] <cbx33> maybe lisa can look at incorping the number idea in a few
[01:34] <cbx33> she did get pretty dispondant the other day
[01:34] <cbx33> but i cheered her up
[01:35] <ogra> ok
[01:35] <ogra> Community & Documentation & Web
[01:35] <ogra> anybody here to talk about that ?
[01:36] <ogra> Management and Planning
[01:36] <ogra> ?
[01:36] <ogra> Any other Matters Arising
[01:36] <ogra> ?
[01:36] <cbx33> um
[01:36] <cbx33> ogra rocks
[01:36] <cbx33> thanks for all the hard work dude
[01:36] <ogra> heh ... well ...
[01:36] <cbx33> seems like our community is shrinking
[01:37] <cbx33> well active community
[01:37] <cbx33> IRC channel is growing
[01:37] <ogra> i hope it will get a bit less in the future with a secongd dev ;)
[01:37] <ogra> (who is not maintaining X :) )
[01:37] <cbx33> meeting ajourned?
[01:37] <ogra> going once
[01:37] <ogra> going twice
[01:37] <ogra> adjourned
[01:37] <cbx33> gone
[01:37] <ogra> indeed
[01:38] <highvoltage> cheers
[01:38] <ogra> thanks all
[01:38] <highvoltage> i'll be more involved next time when i dont have a RL meeting at the same time
[01:38] <highvoltage> bbl
[05:11] <btse> @schedule
[05:11] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 08 Mar 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Mar 10:00: LoCo Team | 12 Mar 18:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu


[04:31] <nigelb> paultag: its nothing urgent, but I'd like to have your reply on that mail
[07:52] <doctormo> Pendulum: ping
[08:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:19] <doctormo> hey czajkowski
[08:20] <vish> doctormo: hey , did sending a mail to iain work?
[08:20] <vish> doctormo: also, are you subscribed to the artwork mailing list?
[08:41] <doctormo> vish: No response yet from Iain, I should be on the artwork mailing list, can you link me so I can make sure?
[08:42] <vish> doctormo: nah , the mailing list question was for a separate reason.., we should use the mailing list more :)
[08:43] <vish> doctormo: there is an artwork 'team' , and it is linked from the main community link , but no one uses it!
[08:43] <vish> either we need to use that team , or just disband the brigade ;p
[08:45] <doctormo> Aye
[08:45] <vish> doctormo: if we used the mailing list more , such problems of delayed response would be less and the process more open :s
[08:47] <doctormo> It's true, especially if this is an artwork team project.
[10:07] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:19] <duanedesign> nigelb: https://translations.launchpad.net/clicompanion :) It is real short. If you get the time could you translate a few lines into your first language.
[11:19] <czajkowski> duanedesign: you at a ugj over there
[11:19] <duanedesign> czajkowski: soon :)
[11:20] <duanedesign> czajkowski: ours starts in a couple of hours.
[11:20] <duanedesign> czajkowski: how about you?
[11:23] <czajkowski> yup we';re working awya
[11:23] <czajkowski> 6b of us
[11:23] <czajkowski> logged two bugs
[11:23] <czajkowski> and one of the guys is spring cleaning the irish page
[11:27] <duanedesign> czajkowski: thats great
[11:27] <czajkowski> yup
[11:27] <czajkowski> not bad
[11:27] <czajkowski> one guy just logged his first bug
[11:27] <duanedesign> czajkowski: good idea....clean up the team wiki
[11:28] <duanedesign> i'll add that to my list of possible tasks
[11:28] <dpm> hey everyone!
[11:29] <nigelb> duanedesign: sadly, I cannot write well in anything other than Egnlish
[11:29] <nigelb> Gah! Not that English is great either :p
[11:30] <duanedesign> :)
[11:30] <duanedesign> nigelb: cool. I am just excited we got our translation template up so I am asking everyone
[11:30] <duanedesign> hello dpm
[11:30] <nigelb> duanedesign: dpm is your man :D
[11:31] <duanedesign> we already got hungarian and spanish :)
[11:31] <dpm> hi nigelb, hey duanedesign :)
[11:31] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[11:33]  * duanedesign is getting together some materials for the global jam this afternoon
[11:34] <duanedesign> need some fuel...brb, going to get breakfast
[11:34] <czajkowski> i'll keep talking about ugj but doing it in locoteams channel so others can learn
[11:34] <duanedesign> czajkowski: which channel?
[11:35] <nigelb> duanedesign: #ubuntu-locoteams
[11:35] <duanedesign> ahhh
[11:36] <czajkowski> yup
[12:06] <Pendulum> doctormo: pong
[12:22] <doctormo> Pendulum: Did you post that blog entry about the wacom bamboo solution?
[12:23] <Pendulum> doctormo: no, because I never got around to doing the final step. It's on my list for today
[12:23] <doctormo> Pendulum: OK because we just got a blog post showing a very complex and messy method on planet ubuntu.
[12:24] <doctormo> So I think we should put up the alternative witht he ppa
[12:24] <Pendulum> *nods*
[12:24] <Pendulum> once it's up it'll be on planet and I"ll also leave a link in a comment on the blog post you're referring to
[12:25] <doctormo> Thanks :-)
[12:26] <Pendulum> oh wow, yeah, that looks messy
[12:31] <Pendulum> (my general rule is that if I don't understand what something does within about 10 seconds of reading it, I won't recommend other people use that command)
[12:31] <nigelb> Pendulum: heh :)
[12:31]  * nigelb is poping in and out today.
[12:32] <Pendulum> nigelb: well, I think of NTEUs. Also, I believe in simplist way possible and not c&ping when possible
[12:33] <nigelb> Pendulum: :)
[12:33] <Pendulum> because if I'm c&ping, chances are I haven't quite figured out what all the steps are in a command
[12:33] <Pendulum> and in my mind that's BAD
[12:34] <Pendulum> nigelb: is there an India GBJ?
[12:34] <nigelb> Pendulum: There was.
[12:34] <nigelb> 11 am :)
[12:34] <Pendulum> :)
[12:34] <Pendulum> how'd it go?
[12:34] <nigelb> Not a big success with only 3 people turning up, but hey better than nothing
[12:35] <Pendulum> heh
[12:35] <czajkowski> 7 of us here
[12:35] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how's it going?
[12:35] <Pendulum> nigelb: hey, I'll be jamming by myself. so 3 sounds exciting to me :P
[12:36] <duanedesign> i've been lucky my Wacom device has been plug and play
[12:36] <czajkowski> good fun
[12:40] <duanedesign> nigelb: i have been looking at some bitesize bugs. Looking for something i can work on.
[12:40] <duanedesign> nigelb: do you know who would be a good person to contact if I had a question about apport?
[12:41] <nigelb> duanedesign: about fixing something with apport per se?
[12:41]  * nigelb hugs Pendulum
[12:41] <duanedesign> nigelb: yeah apport itself, not apport hooks
[12:42] <nigelb> duanedesign: pitti, but he may not be in today
[12:42] <duanedesign> nigelb: kk thanks
[12:48] <Pendulum> if I knew when my car would be ready today, I might send e-mails out to the locos in my vague area saying "I"ll be in x place working on stuff", but I have no idea on the car bit
[12:49]  * nigelb gets back2work
[12:49] <czajkowski> nigelb: seee comment in -locteams... please
[14:10] <czajkowski> ok anyone alive
[14:10] <czajkowski> need a hand
[18:37] <doctormo> czajkowski: Do you still need help?
[19:54] <czajkowski> doctormo: just in after a long drive and a long day
[19:58]  * doctormo gives czajkowski a cup of tea / cocktail [delete where appropriate]
[21:16]  * JanC gives doctormo a 200g piece of white chocolate to give to czajkowski (I guess that works better ;) )
[21:17] <czajkowski> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:17] <czajkowski> WANT WHITE CHOCCI!
[21:17] <JanC> see...
[21:26] <JanC> hm, sending that to Ireland would cost about 3x the price of the chocolate itself  :-/
[21:26] <czajkowski> FOSDEM next year shall re stock
[21:26] <czajkowski> nn
[21:27] <JanC> at least, be sure to buy in a supermarket and not a tourist trap shop ;)
[21:30] <JanC> does anybody know how likely it is that Ubuntu will release on 10/10/10 ?
[21:31] <Pendulum> JanC: I think very
[21:31] <Pendulum> it's certainly what the approved schedule is
[21:32] <JanC> there are some people who want to (ab)use another event on that date in The Netherlands to celebrate the release
[21:33] <JanC> but of course that only makes sense if there is a release
[22:06] <doctormo> JanC: We're having the release party a week later hopefully.
[23:49] <AlanBell> we are having installfests and release parties on 10/10/10