[00:00] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  not at all
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> mike-kubunt1: launchpad.net usually.
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: or are you using emerald?
[00:00] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  emerald
[00:00] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: ok, that is why...
[00:01] <kkathman> ahh ok
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> they should develop some patches and call it kompiz
[00:02] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  I setup my compiz to have 8x1 (8 faces on the "cube"  then I have it to where I can just click my mouse wheel while in a desktop and it rotates to the next workspace
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: i see
[00:02] <kkathman> But I use that ring switcher too
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> kkathman: expo is cool
[00:03] <kkathman> Odd-rationale:  yeah thats more "Mac-ish" but the ring switcher I think is a little nicer
[00:03] <kkathman> but to each his own :)
[00:03] <pottytheshitter> is kde4 offically supported?
[00:03] <dwidmann> pottytheshitter: now
[00:03] <dwidmann> **no
[00:03] <Odd-rationale> pottytheshitter: by canonical? I'm not sure...
[00:04] <Odd-rationale> probably by kde e.V.
[00:09] <Xbehave> if a program is running as root, how do i make it launch programs as me (it lets me decide the command to launch i just dont know how to unsudo it)
[00:15] <cecil44> +
[00:15] <gabak> hi
[00:15] <gabak> is anyone here?
[00:15] <gabak> is anyone here?
[00:15] <Desmond> yea
[00:15] <gabak> great
[00:15] <gabak> desmond
[00:15] <Desmond> das?
[00:15] <gabak> what do u mean?
[00:16] <Desmond> well i ment da
[00:16] <Desmond> and its yes in german
[00:16] <gabak> i m in argentina right now
[00:16] <yodaz> hi
[00:16] <Desmond> hola
[00:16] <gabak> como andas
[00:16] <Desmond> andas?
[00:16] <gabak> sabes hablar español
[00:16] <yodaz> I've a little problem with konqueror, googl search toolbar disappear
[00:17] <Desmond> what is that
[00:17] <Desmond> ok
[00:17] <Desmond> i use firefox
[00:17] <yodaz> where I can make it show again ?
[00:17] <Desmond> poll #2: Firefox or Konqueror
[00:18] <gabak> do u know ubuntu
[00:18] <Xbehave> !es
[00:18] <Desmond> gabak: yess
[00:19] <Desmond> !question
[00:19] <Desmond> lol
[00:20]  * Desmond welcomes new visitors
[00:22] <Odd-rationale> yodaz: Go to settings --> configure extensions
[00:22] <gabak> ok great
[00:22] <gabak> hold on , plz cuz i have a phone call now
[00:23] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: thx, but I only have speech synthesis toolbar :-\
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> yodaz: kde4?
[00:23] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: no, kde3
[00:23] <yodaz> which package should I install ?
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> yodaz: are you in the extensions tab/
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> ?
[00:24] <yodaz> yes
[00:24] <Odd-rationale> hmm. i dunno then. sorry
[00:25] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: ok, thx
[00:29] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: ok, I'm a moron
[00:29] <yodaz> Odd-rationale: with aptitude install konq-plugins, it just works better ...
[00:29] <yodaz> :)
[00:29] <o0Chris0o> the last few times I restarted my system I get this error, "No command arguments supplied!, Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command>, KdeSudo will now exit" anyone have any ideas?
[00:31] <sebbar> hi, with skype on linux is it possible to send sms messages?
[00:37] <o0Chris0o> how do I turn off saving sessions in kde?
[00:41] <o0Chris0o> how do I turn off saving sessions in kde?
[00:45] <Xbehave> Chris still here?
[00:45] <Xbehave> sebbar: im not familar with skype sms, but it is possible with other programs
[00:46] <Desmond> i cant get java to work in firefox
[00:46] <Desmond> i installed sun java 6 \
[00:47] <Xbehave> Desmond: you on 64bit?
[00:48] <sebsebseb> I just updated a computer from Gutsy to Hardy, however  what I am finding odd is how the entry for WIndows XP is no longer there, just my old kernel from Gutsy stuff and the new kernel stuff from Hardy.  Any idea's why that is?   I assume to fix this it's just edit the menu.lst, but I carn't remember exactly what to put in and that, and XP should be the default boot, since this is a family computer, and my Dad is locked
[00:48] <sebsebseb> into Windows, so it will probably take quite a bit of effort to convert him to Ubuntu.  and it's proabably hardly even worth it in his case, even though he is a resonablly technical Windows user.
[00:48] <Xbehave> does it work in other browsers, have you installed the plugin thorugh repos or manually?
[00:49] <NickPresta> sebsebseb, try using: update-grub
[00:49] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: there may be a better way of doing this but do you have any backup menr.lst (/boot/grub/menumlist..)
[00:49] <Desmond> through repos
[00:49] <sebsebseb> it woudn't have updated GRub as well?  just the distro?
[00:49] <Desmond> i aptitude'd it
[00:49] <sebsebseb> nah no backup
[00:49] <Desmond> i have 32 bit
[00:50] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: you can add windows manually to grub
[00:50] <Xbehave> !grub
[00:51] <sebsebseb> yeah I know WIndows can be manually added to GRub since I done it before, but I coudn't remember exactly how etc
[00:52] <sebsebseb> Desmond:  I would have thought  Grub would have been updated with the update from Gusty to Hardy?  I guess not?
[00:52] <Xbehave> ill look up a guide, as i cant rember exactly
[00:53] <Xbehave> Desmond: if its not one of the obvious things e,g 64bit problems or not having installed the java-plugins im no use try the forums, does it work in konq?
[00:53] <Desmond> not sure
[00:53] <sebsebseb> what's your problem Desmond?  plugins?
[00:53] <sebsebseb> browser plugins?
[00:53] <Desmond> yea
[00:54] <sebsebseb> I can probably help you with this well if you tell me what it is :D  since you obviouslly said before I came here
[00:54] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: open up /boot/grub/menu.lst and it has an example for a windows partition, uncomment the line and correct the partition to add windows
[00:54] <Desmond> java in firefox
[00:54] <sebsebseb> Xbehave: ah yes now I remember that's what I did last time
[00:54] <Desmond> @xbehave no it doesnt
[00:55] <sebsebseb> Desmond:  yeah Java can be a bit of a pain to install
[00:55] <Xbehave> !java
[00:55] <sebsebseb> there is this page or should be on the Ubuntu site, but from memory you want the Sun one from  Synaptec package manager
[00:56] <sebsebseb> also you have to press tab and enter I think it was on the agreement,   just enter on it's own for ok woudn't do the trick
[00:57] <sebsebseb> is there any need to keep my old kernel?  I guess not,   in  the past I have just removed the old kernels
[00:57] <sebsebseb> on my computer for example.
[00:57] <sebsebseb> yeah remove the old  and keep the latest
[00:57] <sebsebseb> one from updates
[00:57] <NickPresta> sebsebseb, you can keep older kernels. I often do incase I have problems with the newer kernel which prevent my system from running, etc
[00:58] <sebsebseb> NickPresta:  yeah, but probably no good reason to keep  my old one from Gutsy or whatever,  plus I guess it can be re installed if there ever was a good reason
[00:58] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: the default line will work if windows is in the 1st partion of the 1st drive, otherwise grub names partitions differently from linux (hd0 is hda, hd1 is hdb, etc) and the number afterwards is droped by 1 e.g hdb3 is hd1,2
[00:58] <Bauldrick> OT - how long should it take to transcode video .iso to .avi
[00:59] <NickPresta> sebsebseb, it might be hard to reinstall if you can't boot your system ;) At any rate, you can safely remove the older kernel if you wish
[00:59] <gorczeski> boa noite
[00:59] <Xbehave> sebsebseb: afaik they cant be reinstalled but if everything is working there is no need to keep old kernels
[00:59] <sebsebseb> yeah  Xbehave  I did the example before,  now  I remember.  and  to  make it so XP would boot up first,  I had it as the first one in the file, with Ubuntu stuff after that
[00:59] <gorczeski> good evening
[00:59] <gorczeski> buenas notches
[00:59] <Bauldrick> abregardar
[00:59] <sebsebseb> NickPresta:  well Live CD's to the rescue if that happens I suppouse :D
[01:00]  * Xbehave inserts superhero music
[01:01] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone tell me what's the default color scheme in kubuntu 8.04?
[01:01] <sebsebseb> this is the Ubuntu channel you could try  the kubuntu channel ,but
[01:01] <sebsebseb> what a question?
[01:01] <sebsebseb> I wonder why your asking that
[01:02] <Bauldrick> sebsebseb: kubuntu....
[01:02] <sebsebseb> Bauldrick: uh yes I know read above
[01:02] <Odd-rationale> yao_ziyuan: kubuntu colors
[01:03] <psyco> XD
[01:04] <Desmond> lol yea this is kubuntu
[01:04] <sebsebseb> ah
[01:04] <Bauldrick> ORANGE
[01:04] <sebsebseb> wrong channel
[01:04] <psyco> XD
[01:04] <sebsebseb> ok so I was in the wrong tab it seems
[01:04] <psyco> its seems
[01:04] <sebsebseb> Konversation yeah by the way Kubutnu users, but running  in Gnome/Ubuntu
[01:04] <Bauldrick> :)
[01:05] <sebsebseb> since  I don't like KDE enough as my GUI (what a thing to say here :D )
[01:05] <gorczeski> Fernando Ike ??
[01:06] <crash__> *cough cough hack wheeze*
[01:06]  * crash__ dies
[01:07] <yao_ziyuan> Odd-rationale: roger
[01:08] <Odd-rationale> ?
[01:08] <ubuntu> hola
[01:08] <psyco> crash_ that sucks
[01:08] <Desmond> lol
[01:08] <o0Chris0o> alright I just want to use kwin, how do I stop compiz from being the default deco?
[01:08] <psyco> turn of desktop effects
[01:08] <psyco> and the command is
[01:08] <psyco> kwin --replace
[01:08] <crash__> psyco: Nah, not really. turns out things can't suck when you're dead.
[01:08] <psyco> crash__: true
[01:09] <o0Chris0o> alright I removed ccsm
[01:09] <o0Chris0o> so prolly need to get it again
[01:09] <psyco> wait
[01:09] <psyco> hardy or gusty?
[01:09] <yao_ziyuan> 8.04's Crystal/Edgy kwin style + 7.10's Polyester kde style = perfect
[01:09] <o0Chris0o> hardy
[01:09] <psyco> ok
[01:09] <psyco> Go:
[01:10] <yao_ziyuan> here is a screenshot of that: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/snapshot19.png?gda=94lzwz8AAABaHLW2hQnnro-GYOIyGHcGaDpGNf6h3jt_zCJwRSTgA2G1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRwn4PMc2FouLEp4KIwhgPa
[01:10] <psyco> K menu>System>Desktop effects
[01:10] <psyco> and clikc NONE
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> well thats the thing, I removed that too lol
[01:10] <o0Chris0o> compiz
[01:10] <yao_ziyuan> but there is a small bug in the Crystal kwin style:
[01:10] <yao_ziyuan> In KDE 3.5.8/9, start a Firefox 2, set the main window in normal state (rather than maximized or minimized), let the main window's upper and lower sides dock the upper edge and lower edge of the desktop, but don't let the left and right sides dock. Then, maximize it, restore it, minimize it, restore it, and now you can see its lower side has an undrawn hollow zone.
[01:10] <psyco> You removed desktop effects :S
[01:11] <o0Chris0o> yeah because it messes up my inactive titlebars
[01:11] <yao_ziyuan> compiz-kde is buggy
[01:11] <o0Chris0o> they disappear
[01:11] <Bauldrick> does anyone else see npviewer.bin gobbling cpu?
[01:12] <o0Chris0o> but compiz is still active somehow
[01:12] <psyco> wow
[01:13] <psyco> what happends when you run
[01:13] <psyco> kwin --replace
[01:13] <o0Chris0o> it fixes it, but only works till I exit the terminal
[01:13] <psyco> what if you do
[01:13] <psyco> alt+f2
[01:13] <psyco> then run
[01:13] <psyco> kwin --replace
[01:14] <o0Chris0o> fixes it till I close out the console
[01:14] <psyco> But alt f2 is a command not console...
[01:15] <psyco> if you know what i mean....
[01:15] <hexidigital> You know you're a geek when you try to save an OOo document by typing: [Esc]:wq[Enter]
[01:15] <hexidigital> er... i know i am a geek
[01:15] <psyco> wtf XD
[01:15] <Desmond> ;wg
[01:15] <Desmond> ?
[01:15] <Bauldrick> just sat on youtube in firefox and npviewer.bin eats 42% cpu - is it just me? not right surely?
[01:16] <hexidigital> Now i have to proofread my presentation outline for "times i tried to save and quit" errors
[01:17] <walter_eco> hi everybody I seem to be having some inconsistencies with shares
[01:17] <walter_eco> specifically 'folder does not exist' type problems
[01:18] <o0Chris0o> alright that worked I had run as terminal selected
[01:18] <o0Chris0o> had to untick it
[01:20] <jlarsson> hi, how do i update kubuntu 6.06 to 8.04 ?
[01:20] <sebsebseb> does it not say an update is avilable?
[01:20] <jlarsson> yes, but only system packages
[01:20] <sebsebseb> maybe you got to upgrade to gusty first then to hardy
[01:20] <sebsebseb> or
[01:20] <sebsebseb> you just change the sources lists
[01:21] <jlarsson> Isnt there a button or something lika in ubuntu ?
[01:21] <sebsebseb> you have both?
[01:21] <Desmond> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:21] <sebsebseb> or sudo gedit
[01:21] <Desmond> change all the dappers to hardy
[01:21] <jlarsson> No, i only have kubuntu now
[01:21] <NickPresta> jlarsson, you can edit your sources.list inside Adept Manager.
[01:21] <sebsebseb> well then sudo kate I guess it is
[01:21] <NickPresta> sebsebseb, kdesudo kate, not sudo
[01:22] <sebsebseb> oh right yeah I suppouse
[01:22] <sebsebseb> I use Ubuntu mainly so yeah
[01:23] <jlarsson> im a neewbie at this things in kubunto so what exaktly should i do, you are giving me alot of alternatives
[01:23] <Distro^Junkie> you need to go to gutsy first
[01:24] <jlarsson> and how did i do that
[01:24] <sebsebseb> jiarsson:  Ubuntu is easier to start with
[01:25] <sebsebseb> in my opinion
[01:25] <jlarsson> yes i know
[01:25] <sebsebseb> also you can install  your Kubuntu  programs in Ubuntu
[01:25] <sebsebseb> and  if you update  a version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu well then your updating both of them
[01:26] <sebsebseb> in  Ubuntu it should say a new distribution is avialabe and then you would just install that
[01:26] <sebsebseb> and that's that
[01:26] <jumpkick> no sound after Kubuntu 64 Hardy upgrade
[01:26] <jumpkick> what's up with that?
[01:27] <jlarsson> okey maybe i should install ubuntu back
[01:27] <sebsebseb> well that's easy enough to do
[01:27] <sebsebseb> you know how right? without getting rid of everything and starting over?
[01:27] <Bauldrick> wasn't it Alt+f2 kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade-devel"
[01:27] <BruceH> Greetings. I just upgraded from Gutsy to Heron using the Full Upgrade option. Now my nvidia card refuses to load glx. nividia-glx won't load.
[01:27] <jlarsson> but boys and girls dont forget abount me, im famous in japan !
[01:28] <sebsebseb> BruceH:  ah yes the propritary Nivida graphics card driver
[01:28] <sebsebseb> you may have to reinstall it
[01:28] <BruceH> I've tried everything on the forums except a reinstall
[01:28] <BruceH> I'm downloading the dvd now.
[01:28] <sebsebseb> DVD for what?
[01:28] <Bauldrick> BruceH: ?
[01:28] <jumpkick> BruceH, I had some problems after upgrading...   I had a mismatch between nvidia kernel module and the X.org module.... rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia_new helps in my case
[01:28] <sebsebseb> you should be able to get the driver from the Ubuntu network
[01:29] <sebsebseb> ah Kubuntu
[01:29] <sebsebseb> even
[01:30] <BruceH> You would think that works. I've tried installing nvidia-glx, restricted drivers, the new EnvyNG thing, even downloaded the drivers from nvidia.com.
[01:31] <feijo> good night
[01:31] <BruceH> using nvidia geforce 5200 fx. Hoping someone here has conquered this :)
[01:32] <mrkeishii> I have a question
[01:32] <feijo> shut
[01:32] <mrkeishii> is Ubuntu better than Kubuntu?
[01:32] <navetz> can anyone help me, i can't install phpmyadmin
[01:32] <BruceH> thanks jumpkick, I'll try that.
[01:32] <Feijo_BR> thats relative, a metter of taste
[01:32] <Feijo_BR> the core is the same
[01:32] <navetz> when i try to install it it fails because it cant install php5-mcrypt
[01:32] <Bauldrick> YES - but dont tell sebsebseb
[01:32] <Feijo_BR> navetz: try xampp
[01:33] <Feijo_BR> remove all apache, php stuff and use xampp.org, they lamp rocks
[01:33] <mrkeishii> is Ubuntu better than Kubuntu?
[01:33] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: yes and no
[01:33] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:33] <Distro^Junkie> that question will open a can of worms
[01:33] <mrkeishii> well i got kubuntu
[01:33] <mrkeishii> and all
[01:33] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: some like one, some othre
[01:33] <mrkeishii> but I was wondering
[01:33] <Feijo_BR> I like kubuntu
[01:34] <mrkeishii> I installed the video driver
[01:34] <mrkeishii> then I installed xserver-xgl
[01:34] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:34] <mrkeishii> well I downloaded cssm
[01:34] <Feijo_BR> home users prefer kubuntu
[01:34] <Feijo_BR> I installed compiz last night
[01:34] <mrkeishii> then Y can't I use CSSM?
[01:34] <navetz> Feijo_BR: well I used all the stuff that came with ubuntu server edition
[01:34] <navetz> Feijo_BR: then I threw kde on there
[01:35] <mrkeishii> then Y can't I use CSSM?
[01:35] <mrkeishii> or How do i make it work?
[01:35] <mrkeishii> how do i make CSSM work on Kubuntu?
[01:35] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: did you used adept?
[01:35] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:35] <mrkeishii> y?
[01:36] <mrkeishii> did i had to install through terminal?
[01:36] <Feijo_BR> navetz: I'm using kubuntu installation version 8, removed all apache and php, and installed lampp. Working great
[01:36] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: no
[01:36] <Feijo_BR> mrkeishii: wait
[01:36] <mrkeishii> so how do i make it work?
[01:37] <Feijo_BR> did you installed compiz-settings-manager?
[01:37] <mrkeishii> cssm?
[01:37] <mrkeishii> right
[01:37] <mrkeishii> or the next one below
[01:37] <mrkeishii> there was two programs
[01:37] <mrkeishii> when i typed in Compiz in search bar
[01:37] <Feijo_BR> on your kde blue button, go to config - advanced desktop settings
[01:37] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:38] <mrkeishii> then
[01:38] <Feijo_BR> I have: compiz core, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-fusion-plugins-main, compiz-kde, compiz-plugins, compiz-config-backend-kde, ...
[01:38] <Feijo_BR> desktop-effects-kde, emerald
[01:38] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:38] <mrkeishii> w8
[01:38] <mrkeishii> do i download both programs in adept?
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> I dont have simple-ccsm
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> all those I mentioned its on my adept
[01:39] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:39] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> when I search for compiz, those are green
[01:39] <mrkeishii> but when i set it up
[01:39] <Bauldrick> someone do me a favour - go on youtube and then issue top and tell me what npviewer.bin does
[01:39] <mrkeishii> i put in cube
[01:39] <mrkeishii> but it does not work
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> what is your graphic board?
[01:39] <mrkeishii> do i have to input a code
[01:39] <mrkeishii> Nvidia
[01:39] <Feijo_BR> no code
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> just automatic
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> I have geforce too
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> try ctrl+alt+left
[01:40] <mrkeishii> I have Nvidia Gforce Go 7600
[01:40] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> what?
[01:40] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> working?
[01:40] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:40] <Feijo_BR> lol
[01:40] <mrkeishii> i download driver
[01:40] <mrkeishii> and all
[01:41] <Feijo_BR> ctrl+left+left mouse click draging
[01:41] <mrkeishii> after i install xserver
[01:41] <mrkeishii> then emerald
[01:41] <mrkeishii> then ccsm
[01:41] <mrkeishii> then when i checked the boxes in the advance desktop settings
[01:41] <Feijo_BR> me too, but worked since first steps, then I started config more stuff, more animations
[01:41] <mrkeishii> it does not work
[01:41] <Feijo_BR> my screens burn when I close, heheh
[01:41] <mrkeishii> do i have to config. the initiate buttons?
[01:42] <mrkeishii> or is it already auto?
[01:42] <Feijo_BR> I didnt change, I guess is auto
[01:42] <mrkeishii> I use a laptop
[01:42] <Feijo_BR> CCSM is the compiz manager? Mine is in portuguese
[01:42] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:42] <mrkeishii> mines in english
[01:43] <Feijo_BR> did you enabled 3d window, cube guear, cube reflex?
[01:43] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:43] <Feijo_BR> I'm translating, so your screen may have something a bit different
[01:43] <mrkeishii> okay
[01:43] <Feijo_BR> whell, here I just use ctrl+alt with mouse or arrows key and work
[01:43] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:43] <Feijo_BR> middle mouse button works to on the desktop
[01:43] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:43] <mrkeishii> i use laptop
[01:44] <mrkeishii> although i push the right and left buttons on padmouse and it works on Ubuntu
[01:44] <Feijo_BR> no cube at all you can activate?
[01:44] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:44] <Feijo_BR> you have gnome and kde?
[01:44] <mrkeishii> nope
[01:44] <mrkeishii> KDE
[01:45] <Feijo_BR> ubuntu is gnome
[01:45] <mrkeishii> yeah
[01:45] <mrkeishii> i know
[01:45] <Feijo_BR> you mentioned ubuntu, so... hehe
[01:45] <mrkeishii> I'm not noob in ubuntu
[01:45] <mrkeishii> oh
[01:45] <mrkeishii> my bad
[01:45] <mrkeishii> well i gtg thanks for conversation and info.
[01:45] <mrkeishii> cya
[01:46] <Feijo_BR> hope you can fix it
[01:46] <Feijo_BR> I'm new to that too
[01:46] <mrkeishii> thanks agian
[01:46] <Feijo_BR> first week with kubuntu at home
[01:47] <asobi> what's apache2?
[01:47] <asobi> looking at processes
[01:48] <Bauldrick> kubuntu is great!!!!! any help just ask not me tyhough I'm piissed
[01:49] <snikker>  when i insert a media in dvd writer, i've got this error in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m1cc3d71c
[01:49] <snikker> can you help me please...
[01:50] <crash__> Bauldrick: whatsa matta?
[01:50] <Feijo_BR> asobi, its a web server
[01:50] <asobi> right
[01:50] <asobi> i have two instances
[01:51] <asobi> and each is taking up 200mb of memory
[01:51] <asobi> think i found solution
[01:51] <Bauldrick> crash__: its what everythoings made of of
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> wow
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> too much
[01:51] <asobi> exactly
[01:51] <Bauldrick> matta
[01:51] <asobi> looks like memory leak
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> do you use it? I do for php
[01:51] <asobi> no
[01:51] <asobi> i am not even sure why i have two instances
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> how much days your system is up?
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> 2 is normal
[01:51] <Feijo_BR> lets check here
[01:52] <Feijo_BR> yeah, 2
[01:52] <Feijo_BR> try disable, and if in few days all works, remove it
[01:52] <asobi> i just did:
[01:53] <asobi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=117073
[01:54] <Feijo_BR> you installed prefork?
[01:54] <asobi> yep
[01:54] <crash__> Bauldrick: um.. what?
[01:54] <Feijo_BR> nice, I will try it
[01:55] <asobi> seems to work
[01:55] <Feijo_BR> but if you dont need apache, why let it runing?
[01:55] <asobi> how much ram is your apache using
[01:55] <asobi> good point
[01:55] <Roey> asobi:  wouldn't it be better put,  "how many rams is this Apache using?"
[01:56] <asobi> actually no roey
[01:56] <crash__> roey: no, because "memory" is valid as both a singular and a plural noun
[01:56] <Bauldrick> crash__: the world is built with `matta`!!!!
[01:56] <crash__> Bauldrick: boooooo
[01:57] <Roey> asobi, crash__:  I meant it as a wild west pun
[01:57] <Roey> :P
[01:57] <asobi> oh
[01:57] <crash__> oh
[01:57] <Feijo_BR> VM size 10,288
[01:57] <crash__> booooooo again
[01:57] <Feijo_BR> boo
[01:57] <Roey> you guys are waaay too nerdy sometimes ;)
[01:57] <Roey> flew right over your heads ;)
[01:58] <crash__> dude
[01:58] <Roey> ya
[01:58] <crash__> my mind is enhanced with chemical additives right now.
[01:58] <asobi> what's your login for apache
[01:58] <crash__> I dont have time for bad jokes.
[01:58] <asobi> feijo
[01:58] <crash__> GOOD jokes maybe
[01:58] <Bauldrick> Roey: you're right - sex me up bum, bandit
[01:58] <Feijo_BR> apache needs login??
[01:58] <Feijo_BR> mysql does
[01:58] <asobi> under sysguard
[01:59] <asobi> login column
[01:59] <BluesKaj> chemically induced humour
[01:59] <KhaoticMind> talking about chemical...
[01:59] <KhaoticMind> the LSD father died today...
[01:59] <Bauldrick> im off - before - yep!!!!!!! BluesKaj
[01:59] <Feijo_BR> I use xampp distro, not that one from kubuntu
[01:59] <serrucho> Hi everyone
[01:59] <asobi> i have a really weird login
[02:00] <serrucho> I have a problem
[02:00] <serrucho> can somebody help me with this
[02:00] <crash__> medicated ointment will help
[02:01] <serrucho> E: Type '--17:52:12--' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[02:01] <serrucho> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[02:01] <serrucho> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[02:01] <serrucho> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[02:01] <serrucho> that`s my problem
[02:01] <crash__> !pastebin
[02:01] <serrucho> how i can fix this issue
[02:02] <crash__> sounds like your sources.list is toasted.
[02:02] <serrucho> i was triend to install some codes
[02:02] <crash__> there is a command to fix that I think
[02:02] <NickPresta> serrucho, you have a bad line in your sources.list. Can you post it to a pastebin please
[02:02] <serrucho> ok
[02:04] <Walzmyn> I have achieved a state of near nirvana
[02:04] <Walzmyn> I have windows running in a window - where it belongs
[02:04] <BluesKaj> the bad line can be commented with a #
[02:04] <serrucho> E: Type '--17:52:12--' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.lis
[02:04] <Feijo_BR> hmmm, my cron isnt working
[02:04] <BluesKaj> windoes=nirvana ? ...that's an oxymoron :)
[02:04] <serrucho> that`s the problem
[02:05] <NickPresta> serrucho, either comment out the line or paste the sources.list to a pastebin for us to see and fix
[02:05] <crash__> yeah, whe said but typed faster.
[02:05] <Walzmyn> no, having windows trapped in a window where it can't fook up my system is nirvana
[02:05] <serrucho> ok
[02:06] <BluesKaj> nirvana = no windows at all
[02:06] <crash__> console ftw
[02:06] <Devourer> For some reason I can't boot up in the most recent kernel version...  Then I tried the recovery mode and it gets stuck at something also.
[02:06] <Walzmyn> but now I needa ask - what's the proper / best / socially accepted method for getting an internet connection to a guest OS?
[02:07] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, yes, you're right, but the boss has winders only crap I have to deal with
[02:07] <Feijo_BR> who use kcron?
[02:07] <serrucho> : Type '--17:52:12--' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[02:07] <serrucho> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[02:07] <serrucho> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[02:07] <serrucho> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[02:07] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, i sympathize
[02:13] <Feijo_BR> edited .bashrc, thanks pal
[02:13] <sloth> does hardy support ntfs external drives?
[02:13] <psyco> is this just me?
[02:13] <psyco> or are people joining
[02:13] <BluesKaj> not done yet , only 200 joins
[02:13] <psyco> XD ok
[02:13] <serrucho> ok nick now what
[02:13] <Alucard_Hellsing> my apt just randomly started working again
[02:13] <Feijo_BR> whats going on
[02:13] <NickPresta> serrucho, you have to paste the file to http://pastebin.ca so we can see it
[02:13] <serrucho> ok
[02:13] <Alucard_Hellsing> y are there no ops here
[02:13] <Devourer> So is not having sound after you upgrade to 8.04 a common problem?
[02:14] <serrucho> now you see it
[02:14] <BluesKaj> Devourer, clean cd install ?
[02:14] <sloth> does hardy support ntfs external drives?
[02:14] <Devourer> BluesKaj, nope.
[02:14] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I upgraded from 7.10.
[02:14] <navetz> apt-get fixed itself for me to
[02:15] <NickPresta> Alucard_Hellsing, they're in hiding. ;)
[02:15] <Dr_willis> sloth,  yes. with ntfs and the ntfs-3g filesystem/tools
[02:15] <BluesKaj> paste the URL of the pastebin text here after submitting it , serrucho
[02:15] <Alucard_Hellsing> ah
[02:15] <Devourer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720043&page=2
[02:15] <BluesKaj> Devourer, what sound card ?
[02:15] <Alucard_Hellsing> .. can any one tell me y my ktorents does not work."Could Not Connect to host"
[02:15] <sloth> thank you Dr_willis
[02:16] <serrucho> nick
[02:16] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I forgot the command to see.
[02:16] <serrucho> do you see it
[02:16] <Dr_willis> sounds like it cant resolove the hostname, or the host is refusing the client.
[02:17] <Alucard_Hellsing> but it has done this for 3 weeks now
[02:17] <BluesKaj> Devourer, lspci | grep audio
[02:17] <nickv111> Hello, all. I have an Eee PC 8G and I upgraded to Hardy yesterday. I'm having trouble getting audio to work properly. KMix only shows two options: iGain and PhoneOut
[02:17] <NickPresta> serrucho, are lines 1-4 actually present in the sources.list file?
[02:18] <nickv111> And PhoneOut is the only one that controls my sound, and it doesn't work right because it jumps between all the way on and all the way off
[02:18] <nickv111> Though it worked fine in Gutsy.
[02:18] <Devourer> BluesKaj, does grep make an audio text file?
[02:18] <crash__> ...
[02:18] <crash__> an audio text file?
[02:18] <crash__> wth is that
[02:19] <Devourer> crash__, a text file named "audio".
[02:19] <serrucho> yes
[02:19] <BluesKaj> serrucho, look at the pastebin website and there will be a location url in blue at the top of the text that you pasted ,copy that and paste it here
[02:20] <crash__> I call shenanigans
[02:20] <connor> help with recordmydesktop
[02:20] <Devourer> Should I get the newest version of the Linux kernel?
[02:20] <serrucho>  http://pastebin.ca/1003519
[02:20] <serrucho> here
[02:20] <Dr_willis> the 'pastebinit' command is very very handy to have installed. :)
[02:20] <connor> what are some good image recording programs besides recordmydesktop?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> Devourer, no it merely locates the name of the soundcard
[02:21] <Alucard_Hellsing> of course the bittorrent chan give no help
[02:21] <Devourer> BluesKaj, nothing happens when I type that into the terminal.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Alucard_Hellsing,  try some other clients. see if they have similer issue, try other torrents, heck, try the kubuntu torrent.
[02:22] <connor> what are some good image recording programs besides recordmydesktop?
[02:22] <BluesKaj> Devourer, then just type lspci and look for a line wit "audio controller" or some such in the l;ist
[02:22] <serrucho> did you see it nick?
[02:23] <Devourer> Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
[02:23] <NickPresta> serrucho, are lines 1-4 actually present in the sources.list file?
[02:23] <nickv111> serrucho: I'm sorry, I didn't realize your were talking to m
[02:23] <nickv111> me*
[02:24] <nickv111> Or you weren't.
[02:24] <nickv111> Wrong person; sorry.
[02:24] <NickPresta> nickv111, :)
[02:24] <connor> hey nickpresta
[02:24] <serrucho> yes
[02:24] <connor> can you help me out?
[02:24] <nickv111> There are too many Nicks here.
[02:24] <connor> serrucho
[02:24] <connor> can you help me out?
[02:24] <SilentDis> !compix
[02:24] <BluesKaj> serrucho, delete the the first 4 lines in you r sources list , then uncomment (take out the # in fron of all the lines starting with  'deb  ' . Then save the file and do a sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[02:24] <SilentDis> er
[02:24] <Dr_willis> 335? This is rather low..
[02:24] <SilentDis> !compiz
[02:25] <connor> yeah
[02:25] <NickPresta> connor, the channel can help you
[02:25] <connor> compiz fusion is easy to install
[02:25] <connor> i have it working
[02:25] <connor> i love it
[02:25] <serrucho> ok let me tried
[02:25] <SilentDis> Oh, i've got it working, the problem i have is that my inactive titlebars disappear, just needed the room info :)
[02:28] <BluesKaj> Devourer, asoundconf set-default-card "Intel Corporation 82801"
[02:29] <Devourer> BluesKaj, what now?
[02:29] <BluesKaj> Devourer, did you see above ?
[02:29] <Devourer> BluesKaj, yeah.
[02:29] <Devourer> BluesKaj, should sound work after I type that in?
[02:30] <BluesKaj> make sure alsamixer is working
[02:30] <BluesKaj> and you might need a relogin
[02:30] <Devourer> BluesKaj, ok.
[02:32] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I still have no sound.
[02:32] <BluesKaj> make sure the ctrls in alsamixer are up to 71% or so and unmuted , no M in the box
[02:33] <Devourer> BluesKaj, now it works....
[02:34] <Devourer> BluesKaj, loool... I had the volume to low I guess....
[02:34] <Devourer> BluesKaj, thanks buddy, you get a big hug.
[02:36] <connor> yeah?
[02:36] <BluesKaj> cool Devourer , hugs are unecessary  :)
[02:36] <Devourer> BluesKaj, now, can you tell me why when I try boot into the most recent kernel version I have it gets stuck in some loop?
[02:37] <Devourer> BluesKaj, it'll sit at the kubuntu logo with the progress bar and just keep going like it's doing something but nothing happens.
[02:37] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I tried doing recovery mode and I think it got stuck at something as well.
[02:37] <BluesKaj> Devourer, which graphics card do you have ?
[02:37] <Devourer> BluesKaj, uhhh...
[02:38] <connor> help with recordmydesktop
[02:38] <Devourer> BluesKaj, Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller.
[02:38] <connor> the video didnt save to my desktop
[02:38] <Devourer> BluesKaj, this is the first time this has happened by the wya.
[02:38] <Devourer> BluesKaj, so far it was working fine... but now it messes up... So I went down a kernel version.
[02:38] <BluesKaj> lspci again , Devourer ...look for somethig like video controller
[02:39] <Devourer> BluesKaj, Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[02:40] <BluesKaj> ok Devourer have you ever done a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[02:40] <Devourer> BluesKaj, nope. Not even sure what that is.
[02:41] <BluesKaj> open a terminal , sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and just choose the defaults as you go thru the menus
[02:41] <Devourer> BluesKaj, alright.
[02:42] <BluesKaj> Devourer, when you get to the video/graphics driver , let me know what choices you have , like vesa or ...
[02:43] <naught101> my partitioned usb hdd sometimes doesn't auto mount... where should I start looking for answers?
[02:44] <BluesKaj> naught101, look in system menu/storage media ..see if it's listed
[02:44] <Devourer> BluesKaj, I'm not sure I ever got there... :o
[02:44] <Feijo_BR> my kcron isnt runing
[02:44] <Feijo_BR> :(
[02:44] <naught101> BluesKaj: nope...
[02:45] <yoyoma> compliment for kubuntu devs:  smb share interaction is easy
[02:45] <BluesKaj> naught101, connect it before you boot
[02:45] <yoyoma> i didn't think i was spoiled until trying to set up smb connections in xubuntu today
[02:46] <naught101> BluesKaj: I can't, because one of the partitions has a bootable linux system on it :/
[02:46] <BluesKaj> Devourer, try a reboot , if you finished goinf thru the menus
[02:46] <Devourer> Blue, ok.
[02:46] <naught101> mounted this time...
[02:48] <naught101> is there any way to get the storage media applet to open /media/disk instead of media:/sd3 or what ever?
[02:48] <naught101> media:/sdb3
[02:50]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[02:52] <Agent_bob> mighty quiet around here!
[02:52] <BluesKaj> taking a break
[02:53] <connor> wheres the compiz fusion channel?
[02:53] <Agent_bob> #compiz
[02:53] <BluesKaj> #compiz-fusion
[02:53] <Agent_bob> !compiz
[02:53] <Agent_bob> yeah  #compiz-fusion
[02:54] <Feijo_BR> its time for a great MMPRPG http://delta.astroempires.com/?ref=D.60589
[02:54] <Red_Tear> hi people
[02:54] <Red_Tear> i send you greetings from germany :D
[02:54] <Feijo_BR> join D52 galaxy
[02:55] <Agent_bob> mmp ?
[02:56]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[02:56] <Feijo_BR> massive multi player
[02:57] <Feijo_BR> space strategy, I'm loving it
[02:58] <Red_Tear> We in germany have "Walpurgisnacht" right now :D
[02:58] <Agent_bob> well i want a remote corner, far enough away that it will take houndteds of generations for anyone to reach me.
[02:58] <Red_Tear> Hey bob that sounds great
[02:58] <Feijo_BR> lol, so join D64
[02:58] <Feijo_BR> even corners has already strong players
[02:58] <Feijo_BR> be near my guild, we can help
[02:59] <Agent_bob> no. i mean "real" generations.
[02:59] <Agent_bob> like realtime
[02:59] <Feijo_BR> oh
[02:59] <Red_Tear> hey im real... in a way... but at all what is real???
[03:00] <Feijo_BR> matrix
[03:00] <Red_Tear> i dont know... all what i know is what my brain tells me what is real but how can i trust my brain?
[03:00] <Agent_bob> Red_Tear just turn the computer off. and walk outside.  you'll see what is real.
[03:00] <BluesKaj> we have a botscript running anouncing songs on a web streamer ... wonder if we should ask an op to ban it
[03:01] <Red_Tear> Well bob but how do i know then that this is real?
[03:01] <hexidigital> real?  like when i switch to ##c++ ?
[03:01] <Red_Tear> i just now what i see, hear, feel and so on... but thats all just what my brain tells me
[03:01] <_2> hexidigital yes.
[03:01] <tekteen> Feijo_BR: how do you join D64? Where can I down it?
[03:02] <asobi> how do i switch from onboard sound to sound card?
[03:02] <hexidigital> Red_Tear:  there's a perfectly good explaination to it all.     Ask your brain.
[03:02] <Feijo_BR> tekteen: its online, no download needed
[03:02] <tekteen> Feijo_BR: what site?
[03:02] <hexidigital> asobi:  kmix ?
[03:02] <Feijo_BR> my bases are in D52, but my guild has ppl on D64 too
[03:02] <asobi> didn't work
[03:02] <Feijo_BR> C31:76:56:30	115 / 115	1 / 2
[03:02] <Feijo_BR> ops
[03:03] <Feijo_BR> tekteen:  http://delta.astroempires.com/?ref=D.60589
[03:03] <hexidigital> asobi:  interesting.  Is your sound card listed in dmesg?
[03:03] <asobi> er dmesg?
[03:03] <tekteen> Feijo_BR: thanks
[03:03] <_2> asobi command
[03:03] <asobi> it's listed in kmix
[03:04] <Feijo_BR> my pleasure
[03:04] <Feijo_BR> come have fun
[03:04] <_2> asobi dmesg is a command.   getches kernel messages for you.
[03:04] <asobi> i am pretty sure it is
[03:04] <asobi> here's the thing
[03:04] <asobi> if i reboot now
[03:04] <asobi> it will work
[03:04] <asobi> i reboot again
[03:04] <asobi> it won't
[03:04] <asobi> and so on
[03:05]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[03:05] <_2> this is not M$ we don't reboot to fix things.
[03:05] <asobi> this is why i am asking
[03:06] <hexidigital> wait... we can reboot?
[03:06] <BluesKaj> !ops > LEDOhm
[03:06]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[03:07]  * LEDOhm  Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
[03:07] <_2> asobi drop to a console ( alt+ctrl+f2   use  alt+f7 to return to GUI )  and check   sudo alsamixer   settings.
[03:07] <hexidigital> mneptok:  i'd love to say it was a bot, but he did that in 2 other channels
[03:08] <hexidigital> too random to be a bot
[03:08] <asobi> ok
[03:08] <asobi> it's showing onboard sound
[03:08] <_2> asobi ummm let me see if i can find the howto for this...
[03:09] <asobi> how do i tell it to change card
[03:09] <asobi> better yet, is there some startup config file to edit?
[03:09] <genii> asoundconf
[03:09] <Itaku-AA> on 8.04 how do i get the game alien arena?
[03:09] <asobi> adept
[03:10] <asobi> where do i find asoundconf
[03:10] <genii> asobi: If you run asoundconf in Konsole it will give you the syntax of how to select a default sound card
[03:10] <asobi> and what do i edit
[03:10] <asobi> hmm
[03:10] <genii> asobi: No editing involved
[03:10] <cahuez_> apt-cache search asoundconf maybe..
[03:10] <genii> cahuez_: No. It's installed by default
[03:11] <asobi> mm
[03:11] <asobi> it gives me syntax
[03:11] <asobi> but what parameters do i enter
[03:11] <dthacker> Itaku-AA: use adept to search for the package and install it from there.
[03:12] <_2> asobi ok you may also want to "blacklist" your on-board sound chip
[03:12] <asobi> O.o
[03:12] <asobi> ok. how?
[03:12] <genii> asobi: eg: To list your cards:   asoundconf list
[03:12] <asobi> hmm let me try genii's way first
[03:13] <genii> asobie: eg: to pick default: asoundconf set-default-card <one of the names it just gave you>
[03:13] <_2> asobi by   sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist   add the driver name to the list
[03:13] <asobi> hmm
[03:13] <asobi> do i need to reboot to take effect?
[03:13] <o0Chris0o> what are some cool themes anyone think is cool here?
[03:14] <_2> no.
[03:14] <asobi> then it failed
[03:14] <o0Chris0o> sorry going to offtopic :-p
[03:14] <genii> asobi: Not usually. Just restart the sound server from system Settings
[03:14] <_2> you need to restart alsa
[03:14] <asobi> oh
[03:14] <asobi> how do i restart alsa
[03:14] <BluesKaj> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[03:15] <lord_> #ubuntu-es
[03:15] <genii> asobi: eg: Kmenu...System Settings...Sound System ... unclick Enable Sound System ... click Apply . then click off Enable Sound System. Click Apply
[03:17] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim: it started working again I did nothing dfferent
[03:17] <asobi> um
[03:17] <asobi> it goes to 100%
[03:17] <asobi> then restarts ~_~
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> Ketrel: thats the weirdest thing :)
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> asobi: run what BluesKaj said first then...
[03:18] <asobi> tried that too
[03:18] <asobi> still no sound :/
[03:18] <Ketrel> nosrednaekim: it most definitely is. The only solution seems to be time. (and it never happened in Fiesty)
[03:18] <Ketrel> er Gutsy
[03:19]  * _2 recalls blacklisting a driver and running:   while lsmod | grep snd ;do for Q in `lsmod | grep snd ` ;do sudo modprobe -r $Q ;done ;done ;sudo /etc/init.d/module-init-tools start
[03:20] <genii> asobi: Thats fine. It will still take. Just hit cancel button on the little popup after it goes to 100% first time
[03:20] <_2> of course you could redirrect stderr to null and clean up the error messages there.
[03:20] <BluesKaj> asobi, maybe it's as simple as setting the ctrls in alsamixer
[03:20] <asobi> still no sound
[03:20] <genii> asobi: Do you have some intel HDA soundcard?  Make sure in Kmix that any PCM inputs are not muted
[03:21] <_2> !opsnack | o0Chris0o
[03:22] <genii> !intelhda > _2
[03:22] <asobi> it's not
[03:22] <o0Chris0o> :-p
[03:22] <BluesKaj> asobi, lspci | grep audio , check the audio controllers listed there
[03:23] <asobi> both show up
[03:23] <Feijo_BR> !compiz
[03:23] <genii> asobi: in Konsole: asoundconf is-active <name of card you set to default>
[03:23] <asobi> still no :/
[03:23] <BluesKaj> asobi, then you'll have to choose one as the deafault , asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[03:23] <_2> genii he needs to be doing that as root    no?
[03:24] <asobi> hmm
[03:24] <asobi> let me do default again
[03:24] <asobi> under root
[03:24] <genii> _2: Not if he's a member of the audio group which he should be by default
[03:25] <asobi> nope
[03:25] <asobi> still failed
[03:25] <_2> ok
[03:25] <BluesKaj> asobi, you may have to relogin
[03:25] <_2> i still say blacklist the onboard and reset.
[03:25] <genii> asobi: You going to be using the onboard at all? If not, disable it in bios
[03:26] <genii> (fast and dirty way)
[03:26] <asobi> how do i get to bios?
[03:26] <genii> Hmm
[03:26] <asobi> my keyboard doesn't respond during boot
[03:26] <_2> wiff da hot key
[03:26] <BluesKaj> _2 . that's prolly not a bad idea, ...in windows you have to choose one a delete the other in hardware peripherals ...dunno if that works in linux tho
[03:26] <asobi> it's not detected yet i think
[03:27] <genii> asobi: The thing when you power on tha says usually something like: Hit DEL for Setup               sometimes it says F2 or other things. but that key
[03:27] <asobi> my keyboard doesn't respond during boot
[03:27] <asobi> it's not detected yet i think
[03:27] <asobi> could be wrong
[03:27] <_2> BluesKaj you add the module name to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist in linux
[03:27] <asobi> suppose it is
[03:27] <genii> asobi: Plug some crappy regular ps2 keyboard in to get in, then put your other back on after
[03:28] <asobi> where in bios am i looking
[03:28] <asobi> well
[03:28] <asobi> i guess it should be obvious
[03:28] <genii> asobi: Someplace usually like PEripherals  or so
[03:28] <Santi-> hello
[03:29] <_2> intergrated priphreals
[03:29] <genii> Sorry not peripherals, onboard/builtin whatever section (lan,sound,video settings in there somewhere normally on those embedded boards)
[03:29] <BluesKaj> asobi, hardware peripherals
[03:29] <_2> intergrated <   in some bioii
[03:29] <asobi> ok
[03:29] <Santi-> i have a very strange problem
[03:29] <asobi> but why didn't any of the above work
[03:29] <genii> Different bios may call them differentthigs but poking around shuuld find them
[03:29] <Santi-> any hardware expert?
[03:30] <genii> Santi-: Better to state the issue then see if someone can help
[03:30]  * BluesKaj backs off ... lotta cooks in the kitchen
[03:30] <_2> Santi- just ask.   if anyone knows they'll answer
[03:30] <Santi-> ok
[03:30] <genii> BluesKaj: :)
[03:30] <Santi-> I only have sound using KDE apps
[03:30] <Santi-> but don have
[03:31] <Santi-> if i try tu use anything beyond Amarok or Kaffeine
[03:31] <o0Chris0o> how do I install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[03:31] <genii> Santi-: You only have sound with KDE apps but you don't have KDE?
[03:31] <_2> set them to use alsa/arts/whatever kde uses now days
[03:31] <Santi-> i used to have Gnome
[03:31] <Santi-> but i installed Kubunty
[03:31] <Santi-> sorry Kubuntu
[03:31] <_2> and the other apps are looking for esound rather than arts
[03:32] <Santi-> but sound still not working :(
[03:33] <_2> that's actually not a hardware question.    it's a DE/+app settings question
[03:33] <Santi-> ok
[03:33] <Santi-> :p
[03:33] <Santi-> can u solv it?? :)
[03:34] <genii> o0Chris0o: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.12.html
[03:34] <_2> but in most applications menus there is a "configure blah"  where you can tell the app to use alsa/arts output for it's sound.
[03:34] <Red_Tear> hi people
[03:34] <_2> Red_Tear again
[03:34] <genii> asobi: So many different things can be the issue it's sometimes difficult to narrow down immediately why "above didn't work, why?" etc
[03:34] <Santi-> yes i know
[03:34] <genii> bah he left
[03:35] <Santi-> but when i strat de OS it shoul do a "loggin" sound
[03:35] <Santi-> but it does not do it
[03:35] <Santi-> or any other sound
[03:35] <Red_Tear> Im heiner... one of many personalitiys in this body^^
[03:36] <genii> Santi-: Are you seeing the speaker icon at all?
[03:37] <Santi-> yes
[03:37] <_2> Santi- and sound works for kde apps ?
[03:37] <Santi-> only with Amarok and Kaffeine
[03:37] <genii> _2: I think you're right about esound but I'm not sure how to solve that one
[03:38] <mneptok> Santi-: adjust the login window settings
[03:38] <_2> start esound daemon   esd
[03:38] <_2> sudo /etc/init.d/esd start   ???
[03:38] <_2> no it's xinit
[03:38] <_2> i guess.
[03:39] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/esd star
[03:39] <Santi-> [sudo] password for santiago:
[03:39] <Santi-> Sorry, try again.
[03:39] <Santi-> [sudo] password for santiago:
[03:39] <Santi-> sudo: /etc/init.d/esd: command not found
[03:39] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$
[03:39] <BluesKaj> sacktime for me
[03:40] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/esd star
[03:40] <Santi-> [sudo] password for santiago:
[03:40] <Santi-> Sorry, try again.
[03:40] <Santi-> [sudo] password for santiago:
[03:40] <Santi-> sudo: /etc/init.d/esd: command not found
[03:40] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$
[03:41] <Santi-> i have a M2N-E sli motherboard
[03:42] <_2> yes. i corrected my self.  ""<_2> no it's xinit   <_2> i guess.""   meaning that there is no init script for it
[03:42] <o0Chris0o> there is a new nVidia driver out,, its a 173.08 beta, I am wondering if that could help fix some issues I am having with compiz :)
[03:42] <naknomik> What is the difference between kubuntu-kde4-desktop package functional?
[03:42] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: I'm sure it could, and I'm sure it comes with brand new problems for you also
[03:42] <Santi-> so? what should i do?
[03:42] <dwidmann> naknomik: difference between it and what?
[03:43] <o0Chris0o> probably so
[03:43] <o0Chris0o> but going to install it :)
[03:43] <naknomik> and kubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <serrucho> hi im back
[03:43] <bibek> how do i set the color of taxkbar application name TEXT?
[03:43] <serrucho> nick
[03:43] <naknomik> dwidmann: I guess one is 3.5 and other is 4.
[03:43] <dwidmann> naknomik: kubuntu-desktop uses kde3 and kubuntu-kde4-desktop uses kde4
[03:43] <serrucho> i can`t fix this thing
[03:43] <bibek> im on kde3
[03:43] <_2> you have "/usr/bin/esd" ?
[03:43] <naknomik> dwidmann: Is KDE 4 functional or still some pieces missing?
[03:43] <_2> @ Santi- ^
[03:44] <dwidmann> naknomik: missing piecs
[03:44] <_2> ubottu go ignore yourself
[03:44] <naknomik> dwidmann: is there a document/page comparing KDE3 and KDE4 in Kubuntu 8.04?
[03:44] <serrucho> E: Type ‘--19:32:31--’ is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[03:44] <serrucho> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[03:44] <serrucho> Go to the repository dialogue to correct the problem.
[03:44] <serrucho> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[03:44] <serrucho> can somebody tell me how to fix it
[03:45] <dwidmann> naknomik: probably not, seeing as it's not really intended for use by regular users until KDE 4.1 ... which is when those missing pieces should be present again
[03:45] <_2> fix your sources.list file serrucho
[03:45] <dwidmann> naknomik: for the moment I recommend trying both, then mixing the two together.
[03:45] <naknomik> dwidmann: Is mixing them possible?
[03:45] <naknomik> I didn't know that.
[03:45] <serrucho> can you tell how
[03:45] <Santi-> wait a second
[03:45] <dwidmann> naknomik: sure, I'm using KDE3 with a bunch of KDE4 apps .... opposite is also possible
[03:46] <Santi-> santiago@Clota:~$ cd /usr/bin/esd
[03:46] <Santi-> bash: cd: /usr/bin/esd: No existe el fichero ó directorio
[03:46] <naknomik> Currently I'm using GNOME but want to try KDE
[03:46] <dwidmann> naknomik: in fact, I would be doing the other way around except KDE4.0.3 doesn't quite have multi-head nailed ....
[03:46] <_2> Santi- heh  that's right.  it's not a dirrectory. it's a file.
[03:46] <Santi-> LOL :D
[03:47] <naknomik> dwidmann: I only have one monitor, so no issues here.
[03:47] <dwidmann> naknomik: I recommend installing kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop and seeing what you like, write down the parts you like about each and make your own perfect desktop :)
[03:47] <_2> i have to run for a few.
[03:47] <dwidmann> naknomik: (keeping in mind you can also mix the window managers, panels, desktops, etc, everything down to the nit and grit, linux is great for that :) )
[03:49] <naknomik> I like gnome but hate the default music manager (Rhythmbox)
[03:50] <dwidmann> amarok > rythmbox
[03:50] <naknomik> dwidmann: amarok >>> rhythmbox, no doubt about it
[03:51] <dwidmann> naknomik: when I mentioned kde4 had missing pieces, that's one of the pieces that's missing.
[03:51] <Santi-> help?
[03:51] <naknomik> dwidmann: that's bad.
[03:51] <dwidmann> Santi-: why do you need esd?
[03:52] <Santi-> i dont know
[03:52] <dwidmann> Santi-: assuming you're using kde (seeing as you're in #kubuntu) ... makes me wonder
[03:52] <Santi-> _2 told me that i should look for it
[03:53] <dwidmann> Santi-: ah, yes, _2 is right ... it is a file not a directory. Try this::   ------    /usr/bin/esd   -----
[03:54] <mneptok> Santi-: what are you trying to do?
[03:54] <Santi-> if i run this
[03:54] <Santi-> aplay -Ddefault:1 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav
[03:55] <Santi-> sound works
[03:55] <Santi-> however i do not hear OS sounds
[03:55] <Santi-> such us loggin music
[03:55] <mneptok> Santi-: login music is controlled by the KDM and your session variables.
[03:56] <mneptok> Santi-: is the KDM greeter set up to play a sound? is KDE configured to play a sound at each user login? does your profile override this default?
[03:56] <naknomik> I am trying to run Amarok under Gnome and I get 'DCOP communication error' dialogbox asking me to 'Please chekc that the "decopserver" program is running' What do I need to do here?
[03:57] <Santi-> i dont know :$
[03:57] <dwidmann> naknomik: try running "dcopserver" in a shell and see what it does
[03:58] <mneptok> Santi-: wel, i'd find out before installling deprecated sound architectures
[03:58] <thumper> how do I lock an application (firefox) to a particular desktop?
[03:58] <thumper> since the hardy upgrade it always jumps to a different desktop
[03:58] <naknomik> When I click OK on that dialog box, I get another 'Error-Amarok' dialogbox saying: Amarok could not find any sound-engine plugins. Amarock is now updating the KDEconfiguration database. ......'
[03:58] <mneptok> thumper: use only one desktop :P
[03:58] <thumper> mneptok: ;-p
[03:58] <mneptok> thumper: 3.5 or 4?
[03:58] <Santi-> mneptok: i dont have sound in firefox for example :d
[03:58] <thumper> 3.5
[03:59] <mneptok> thumper: i'll check on the GF's machine in an hour or so when i get home
[03:59] <thumper> mneptok: ok
[03:59] <naknomik> dwidmann: I run 'dcopserver' in an xterm and I see NOTHING. I get the prompt back.
[03:59] <mneptok> thumper: you awake for the next 2h or so?
[04:00] <thumper> mneptok: yeah
[04:00] <thumper> mneptok: it is only 3pm
[04:00] <mneptok> thumper: remind me on the interal server
[04:00] <thumper> ok
[04:00] <mneptok> *internal
[04:00] <mneptok> poifekt
[04:00] <dwidmann> naknomik: after doing that will amarok run?
[04:00] <naknomik> dwidmann: Now I get another error. 'Amarok could not find any sound-engine plugins. Amarok is now updating the KDE configuration database. Please wait a couple of minutes, then restart Amarok.'
[04:01] <dwidmann> naknomik: is the amarok-xine package installed?
[04:01] <naknomik> How do I find that out?
[04:02] <dwidmann> naknomik: dpkg --list amarok-xine
[04:02] <naknomik> dwidmann: ii
[04:02] <dwidmann> hmm, yup, it is
[04:02] <lascar> i just upgraded to hardy and, just like in Gutsy, wifi was shot for my atheros card out of the book.  I recompiled from source, load the module, and get wifi again, but the settings don't get saved.  In fact, the system hangs whenever I try to hibernate or go on standby, and the ath_pci module is to blame.  So, I have to manually load the module after each boot, and my system is no longer capable of hibernation or suspension.  Can I be
[04:03] <dwidmann> naknomik: if you go to settings-> configure amarok -> ... do you see the xine engine listed?
[04:04] <naknomik> dwidmann: I don't have KDE desktop installed, so how do I get to 'settings -> configure amarok?
[04:04] <dwidmann> naknomik: I mean in amarok, assuming it runs
[04:04] <naknomik> dwidmann: Now, when I can't start amarok, how do get to configure amarok?
[04:05] <naknomik> dwidmann: When I press OK on the above mentioned dialog, Amarok splash screen vanishes.
[04:05] <dwidmann> :s ah, that rules that out then
[04:05] <dwidmann> naknomik: maybe someone in #amarok would know
[04:10] <bibek> how do i enable desktop effects in kubuntu? im on kde3
[04:10] <bibek> hardy has default desktop effects settings somewhere ?
[04:12] <naknomik> Is Kubuntu Desktop available with the compiz goodness like Gnome in 8.04?
[04:12] <dwidmann> naknomik: it'll take some work I think
[04:12] <dwidmann> #compiz
[04:12] <dwidmann> erm
[04:12] <dwidmann> #$#!
[04:13] <lascar> !ath_pci
[04:13] <dwidmann> !compiz
[04:13] <lascar> !compiz
[04:13] <dwidmann> there we go
[04:13] <lascar> i just upgraded to hardy and, just like in Gutsy, wifi was shot for my atheros card out of the book.  I recompiled from source, load the module, and get wifi again, but the settings don't get saved.  In fact, the system hangs whenever I try to hibernate or go on standby, and the ath_pci module is to blame.  So, I have to manually load the module after each boot, and my system is no longer capable of hibernation or suspension.  Can I
[04:14] <mneptok> paste shorter text snippets? sure.
[04:14] <mneptok> ;)
[04:17] <naknomik> I'm using GDM and I want to start two sessions, one KDE and one Gnome (KDE is installed). How do I achieve that?
[04:17] <kuma> hi, anybody knows witch is the ubuntu spanish channel
[04:17] <genii> !es
[04:18] <naknomik> If I use 'Switch User', and get back to GDM (with one session already started in Gnome), and login with option to start KDE session, it simply takes me back to my gnome session.
[04:18] <kuma> thanks genni :)
[04:18] <genii> kuma: You're welcome :)
[04:20] <mneptok> genii: es "de nada" ;)
[04:20] <genii> naknomik: Since gdm is running in ony one console I'm not sure that way is possible. But if you ctrl-alt-F5 and login then you can issue some command like: startx -:1 & startkde  while Gnome is running in console 6
[04:20] <genii> mneptok: :)
[04:21] <neon> how can i get make the icon for a external sata hd show on desktop when plugin , i have it configure to get mounted automatically when i plug it, and when on the control center/desktop/behavior and checked to show mounted hd but it does not show any suggestions, thx
[04:23] <dwidmann> naknomik: try using kdm instead?
[04:23] <dwidmann> naknomik: I've never had any issues with multiple sessions with kdm
[04:24] <genii> dwidmann: They want 1 X with Gnome and 1 X with KDE at same time
[04:24] <naknomik> How do I change from gdm to kdm?
[04:24] <dwidmann> naknomik: to try it out run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[04:24] <dwidmann> genii: : i know
[04:24] <naknomik> and to change it forever?
[04:25] <dwidmann> naknomik: and if you decide you want it to be permanent run sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm and it should give you a choice
[04:25] <genii> naknomik: Make sure kdm is installed first. Then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm                  choose kdm as the login manager
[04:25] <naknomik> OK. Off I go!
[04:28] <dsmith_> hello I have an error thats showing up, kstartupconfig. I moved my /home to its own sep. partition /dev/sda/
[04:29] <neon> how can i get make the icon for a external sata hd show on desktop when plugin , i have it configure to get mounted automatically when i plug it, and when on the control center/desktop/behavior and checked to show mounted hd but it does not show any suggestions, thx
[04:29] <dsmith_> and I edited my fstab
[04:29] <dsmith_> but its still not working
[04:29] <spykedtomato> hi everyone - I recently upgraded to hardy, and since doing so video playback (divx files among others) is choppy at full screen - any ideas what that's all about? I've never had problems before this upgrade
[04:29] <dsmith_> neon, is it formattted? Do you have an entry for the /dev in fstab?
[04:31] <neon> it is formated and yes there is an entry on fstab, it gets recognized and mounted as soon as i plug it in, the problem is that it does not show the icon in my desktop so i have to click a few times to get to it
[04:31] <dsmith_> under /media or /mnt? something like that?
[04:31] <neon> yes
[04:31] <genii> neon: Also, did you move the contents of the old /home there somehow? If so how? cp -someswitches? usermod -d /newhomedir username? Did permissions get preserved? etc
[04:32] <dsmith_> genii: that was me
[04:32] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:32] <dsmith_> genii: I did migrate all my data, but left /home
[04:32] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:32] <genii> dsmith_: There are many "gotchyas" in this situation
[04:33] <dsmith_> what I did was after my data was working from /dev/sda4 i mv /home to /home_old
[04:33] <Red_Tear> many what?
[04:33] <dsmith_> and mkdir /home
[04:33] <dsmith_> then made edits in /etc/fstab
[04:34] <genii> dsmith_: Some ppl forget the base dir /home still requires to exist for instance :)
[04:34] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:35] <dsmith_> so I should not have moved /home?
[04:35] <Red_Tear> you know, /home is powerful^^
[04:35] <genii> dsmith_: Well, so long as you remake it it's fine
[04:35] <dsmith_> my data is still there
[04:36] <dsmith_> did I say that I did remake the /home dir, its show wehn cd /
[04:36] <genii> dsmith_: But a better inital approach would be more like something: sudo cp -a /home /somewhere       then they both still exist
[04:37] <dsmith_> sooo... perhaps sudo cp -a /media/sda4 /home will reverse the breakage?
[04:37] <genii> dsmith_: Where /somewhere is the new partition it will be in. Then too the original /home is there in emergency in case that new partition fails at some point
[04:37] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:37] <dsmith_> hmmm
[04:37] <Red_Tear> what exactly do you mean KWGoD ?
[04:38] <intelikey> my data transfer seems slow.  1.90 MB/s   someone tell me that's not normal ?
[04:38] <genii> dsmith_: /media/sda4 is where your working /home is right now?
[04:38] <dsmith_> genii, gotcha kinda like a cheap raid 1
[04:38] <dsmith_> yes
[04:38] <flaccid> intelikey: normal fr?
[04:39] <intelikey> flaccid hda > hdb
[04:39] <KWGoD> i need to screw with the audio in konsole cuz my audios not workin right n someone told me earlier how to fix it it was like a one word thing that started with a and ended in mixer or somethin
[04:39] <dsmith_> intelikey: thats not normal, normal is 10-20MB/s
[04:39] <flaccid> yeah can be normal. what disks are they?
[04:39] <dsmith_> well it depends though
[04:39] <flaccid> can be normal if its notebook 4200rpm..
[04:39] <intelikey> i'll have to look
[04:39] <flaccid> on same bus
[04:39] <dsmith_> many variables
[04:39] <flaccid> yeah heeeeaps of vars
[04:39] <dsmith_> haha
[04:40] <will00> does anyone have a reccomendation for a graphics setup for a touchscreen point of sale system?
[04:40] <genii> dsmith_: Since in this cae it's mounted as /home you have to put it somewhere temp, then something tricky like: sudo umount /home && cp -a /thattempplace /home
[04:40] <dsmith_> wacom board? lol
[04:40] <genii> *sudo cp -a blahblah           that is
[04:41] <flaccid> will00: check out wacom otherwise i guess anything will do if its supported
[04:41] <intelikey> product: WDC WD800BB-00CAA1 > product: WDC WD200AA
[04:41] <dsmith_> 7200 rpm?
[04:41] <o0Chris0o> I dunno
[04:41] <o0Chris0o> I kinda wanna run gentoo now
[04:41] <o0Chris0o> oops
[04:41] <intelikey> not listed
[04:41] <dsmith_> how old?
[04:41] <intelikey> probably 5400
[04:42] <dsmith_> those seem old
[04:42] <intelikey> umm not too old.  80g
[04:42] <KWGoD> tear did ya get that?
[04:42] <flaccid> if its not normal on your system then it might be hard to work out why
[04:42] <will00> flaccid, well im looking for more linux friendly gpus
[04:42] <intelikey> being on the same cable slows it down ?
[04:43] <dsmith_> I trpically get 10-20 over smb and nfs
[04:43] <dsmith_> sometimes higerh then that
[04:43] <dsmith_> copy to disc to disc on same machine should be quick
[04:44] <flaccid> will00: nvidia generally
[04:44] <will00> alright
[04:44] <dsmith_> intelikey: must be running Vista
[04:44] <nbf7777> help with amarok.
[04:44] <o0Chris0o> I do I stop X in kubuntu?
[04:45] <o0Chris0o> sudo /sbin/init 2?
[04:45] <nbf7777> it sais cannot play cool streams. error media not found/.
[04:45] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop ?
[04:45] <flaccid> nbf7777: try #amarok
[04:45] <intelikey> dsmith_ bite your tongue
[04:45] <genii> o0Chris0o: The init levels 2,3,4 and 5 in ubuntu are the same
[04:46] <intelikey> them's figntin' words
[04:46] <intelikey> s/n/h/
[04:47] <dsmith_> lol
[04:47] <dsmith_> intelikey: only reason Isaid that was I copying 160MB across vista to my NAS for someone, it took 5 mins!
[04:48] <intelikey> heh  yeah.
[04:48] <dsmith_> where as it takes ~30 sec's for any of my other machines
[04:48] <intelikey> only 10x
[04:49] <intelikey> it may be ext2 to ext2   but that shouldn't slow it down much over ext3
[04:50] <o0Chris0o> didn't work :(
[04:50] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:51] <o0Chris0o> !x
[04:51] <intelikey> ummm hda ext3 > hdb ext2
[04:51] <intelikey> it must be because it's the same cable
[04:52] <intelikey> i've never noticed that kind of "slowness" before
[04:52] <flaccid> intelikey: maybe you are usuing an ata33 cable and not 133
[04:52] <intelikey> err umm prolly
[04:53] <intelikey> i'm not pulling the box apart to see tho
[04:53] <dsmith_> heh
[04:53] <flaccid> haha :p
[04:54] <intelikey> may be mfm cable for all i know
[04:54] <flaccid> mfm?
 MFM has two cables
[04:54] <o0Chris0o> how do I stop x or restart it so I can use the console? and not the GUI?
[04:55] <intelikey> what they used on the first hdd's   was about 16 pin
[04:55] <intelikey> 15 maybe
[04:55] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: you can use the console with a tty eg. ctrl+alt+f2. no need to stop X/kdm, but if you want to [13:45] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:55] <intelikey> genii has seen them too   :)
[04:55] <genii> intelikey: 2 cables, one is same as FD cable width, the second is about that 16
[04:56] <flaccid> um what sort of disks are these
[04:56] <intelikey> genii no it's smaller than fdd
[04:56] <flaccid> sata are quite small :p
[04:56] <intelikey> genii the fdd cable is about the size of both mfm cables togather
[04:56] <KWGoD> how do i change the audio in konsole?
[04:56] <KWGoD> and my Ark program doesnt work
[04:57] <flaccid> KWGoD: change audio how?
[04:57] <flaccid> KWGoD: alsamixer ?
[04:57] <KWGoD> thankyou
[04:58] <genii> intelikey: Yeah probably :) Been so long i forget
[04:58]  * intelikey turns around to see if the 5" mfm hdd is still lying in the floar behind him...
[04:58] <o0Chris0o> that didn't work ;(
[04:59] <o0Chris0o> I I couldn't type after tty started
[04:59] <intelikey> nope got rid of it last week.
[04:59] <KWGoD> The utility unrar-free is not in your PATH.
[04:59] <KWGoD> Please install it or contact your system administrator.
[04:59] <o0Chris0o> flaccid:
[04:59] <KWGoD> someone help me fix that?
[04:59] <genii> intelikey: I think there were two types even of MFM, 20 and 34 as well
[04:59] <intelikey> KWGoD install it
[05:00] <intelikey> genii i couldn't argue that.
[05:00] <KWGoD> where at?
[05:00] <intelikey> package manager
[05:01] <intelikey> !apt | KWGoD
[05:01] <flaccid> o0Chris0o:  ?
[05:01] <o0Chris0o> alright
[05:01] <o0Chris0o> it didnt' work
[05:02] <o0Chris0o> I want to shut down x and be able to type in console
[05:02] <o0Chris0o> but I am unable to do it
[05:02] <flaccid> o0Chris0o: specifically why can you not?
[05:03] <intelikey> how would you setup a file system where /usr was on nfs shared and /usr/local was on the local machine ?
[05:04] <sparr__> the nfs /usr would need to have an empty local folder, and be mounted first
[05:04] <intelikey> you can mount a local on an nfs ?
[05:05] <flaccid> you could symlink on the remote fs i guess /usr/local  -> /mnt/sdb1 for example
[05:05] <flaccid> i think you can
[05:05] <flaccid> i mean a symlink is just a pointer
[05:05] <sparr__> symlink is VERY bad for that
[05:05] <flaccid> sparr__: what to do then
[05:05] <sparr__> use mount
[05:06] <flaccid> i guess if its mounted after the first 1 it should be ok?
[05:06] <Idrogeno> hmm
[05:07] <intelikey> i'm trying to understand the "file system hierarchy" page   it says that /usr/local is for local use only and many system have /usr on nfs for whole networks to use...    just trying to see the logic in that...
[05:07] <Idrogeno> you could use a relative symlink I guess
[05:07] <Idrogeno> to get around the mount order
[05:07] <flaccid> try google?
[05:08] <intelikey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[05:10] <intelikey> wops that page is patched.  no /usr/local on it.
[05:10] <intelikey> :)
[05:10] <Ketrel> how can I stop X from starting automatically?
[05:10] <intelikey> my cached copy wasn't patched
[05:10] <intelikey> Ketrel remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S???dm
[05:11] <intelikey> not sure that's "upstart"'s way of doing it.
[05:11] <Ketrel> intelikey: if I want it back, I'd remake that symlink?
[05:11] <dsmith_> I'm stuck grrrr... my home directory is /mnt/home, the partition is /dev/sda4, fstab says /dev/sda4 /mnt/home ext3 defaults 0 2 Why isn't this working
[05:12] <intelikey> Ketrel yes
[05:12] <intelikey> Ketrel there is a script for that    update-rc.d
[05:13] <Ketrel> intelikey: if I understand right, unlinking it will stop X from starting and running update-rc.d will put it back?
[05:14] <intelikey> Ketrel update-rc.d is a script that helps you remove/add symlinks in the rc#.d dirrectories
[05:15] <intelikey> you can do it by hand.     rm /etc/rc2.d/S<tab>42gdm    <<< the tab completion...      and  ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S42gdm
[05:16] <genii> dsmith_: If you're using /mnt as root dir for /home then you need to tell system /home/myname is now /mnt/home/myname       eg:  sudo usermod -d /mnt/home/myname myname
[05:16] <Ketrel> intelikey I use KDE, so I'd substitute kdm?
[05:16] <intelikey> Ketrel yes.  but i don't support kdm
[05:17] <intelikey> it's a personal thang
[05:17] <Ketrel> (I'm asking because I'm hit by the bug where I can't get to a terminal once X has started)
[05:18] <intelikey> disabling fbcon would probably be a better solution   (note fbcon is used for the boot splash)
[05:18] <dsmith_> seawolf, old redhat kernel name
[05:18] <dsmith_> heh
[05:19] <dsmith_> omg genii
[05:19] <Ketrel> how would that work? wouldn't kdm start anyway afterwards?
[05:19] <dsmith_> I owe you big time
[05:19] <dsmith_> genii: thanks a million
[05:19] <dsmith_> its loading now finally
[05:20] <genii> dsmith_: :) You can make all new home dirs be created there from now on as well if you like
[05:20] <neo__> why kde4
[05:20] <neo__> why isn't kde4's login manager work?
[05:21] <dsmith_> genii it was the sudo usermod command that was holding me back
[05:21] <dsmith_> I forgot about that one and have it stuffed in one of my books somewhere
[05:21] <intelikey> artical says http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4e8fdaea
[05:22]  * intelikey jsut edits /etc/passwd for that...
[05:23] <intelikey> and yes i know you can break things there.   you can just as easily break things using usermod
[05:25]  * dsmith_ must now help at least 5-1 10 ppl to give back to the spirit of Linux
[05:25] <dsmith_> :)
[05:26] <dsmith_> I did help one gal out in utah switch from vista to ubuntu.. even got her going to the Utah LUG
[05:27] <fildo> /j #fildo.org
[05:27] <genii> dsmith_: For all new users to be in /mnt/home edit /etc/adduser.conf to change /home to /mnt/home  in there
[05:27] <genii> dsmith_: (as a sidenote to previous conversation)
[05:31] <dsmith_> lol intelikey
[05:31] <intelikey> :)
[05:33] <mneptok> intelikey: and you can get hurt stubbing your toe, and you can get hurt by a moving bus. i'll take the toe.
[05:33] <intelikey> mneptok you take your toe i'll take the bus and lets see who gets there first  :)
[05:33] <genii> You'll take his toe??
[05:34] <genii> nvm mis-read
[05:34] <intelikey> dsmith_ i think that virus is open sourced :)
[05:35] <dsmith_> mormon?
[05:35] <dsmith_> lol
[05:36] <Myrth[home]> hi, does anyone else need to restart networkmanager at least once a day because it takes up to 25% of 1GB RAM?
[05:36] <intelikey> yeah
[05:36] <T3> after i did the kubuntu upgrade (up to 8.04) today, i'm facing 'frozen screen' when i close my notebook
[05:36] <dsmith_> genii: should I just leave /home as is?
[05:36] <T3> anybody heard about something like that?
[05:36] <intelikey> dsmith_ what are you doing with the new addressing of home/ ?
[05:36] <genii> dsmith_: In case the mount ever fails for /mnt/home you'll have a fallback. So yes
[05:37] <intelikey> mounting someihing to live in ?
[05:37] <dsmith_> ok..]
[05:37] <T3> it does not fail when i lock the screen
[05:37] <dsmith_> eh? I just created apartition and moved my home dir to it thatsall
[05:37] <T3> but only when i 'close' the laptop and open again
[05:37] <crazy_bus> how do I tell firefox-2, to open when I type firefox.  As I think that's causing some problems in a OOo extension
[05:37] <dsmith_> genii: whats the best way for file redundancy then if one partiton were to fail?
[05:38] <T3> it stalls on black screen, but i can notice the system is working normally
[05:38] <T3> looking at leds etc
[05:38] <intelikey> dsmith_ you can have it mount on /home if you want.  or you can set your $HOME variable to /whatever/ and mount it there.   linux i Xscreemly flexable that way
[05:38] <genii> dsmith_: Backups
[05:39] <T3> also is possible to ctrl+alt+fX and open other terminal normally
[05:40]  * intelikey mounts   hda /   hdb /home   hdc /var/www   hdd /usr/local   only thing that is tricky to use as a mountpoint is /etc and /lib
[05:40] <intelikey> oh and /proc of course    like duh
[05:40] <dsmith_> I am using keep to make daily backups
[05:41] <dsmith_> I am still stuck in using gui's too much
[05:41] <dsmith_> lol
[05:41] <intelikey> t3  that hardy ?
[05:42] <intelikey> nevermind i see it is.
[05:42] <intelikey> t3 i know very little about hardy.   can you reconfigure your xserver ?
[05:43] <intelikey> t3  or if you are using a propritary driver, reinstall it ?
[05:43] <T3> intelikey: yes, is
[05:44] <intelikey> crazy_bus symlink it
[05:45] <intelikey> crazy_bus sudo ln -s /usr/bin/firefox-2 /usr/local/bin/firefox      or something like that
[05:46] <crazy_bus> thanks intelikey
[05:46] <intelikey> well come
[05:46] <T3> intelikey: what do you mean by reconfigure my xserver?
[05:46] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:46] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[05:46] <crazy_bus> the OOo extension still isn't working but at least I know it's not that
[05:46] <intelikey> @ t3
[05:47] <T3> i use a Intel 945 video driver
[05:47]  * genii feeds intelikey some coffee
[05:47]  * intelikey wishes that ubottu had an ignore me switch
[05:48] <intelikey> genii spike it.
[05:48] <intelikey> ;/   long night
[05:48]  * genii covertly pours some 20 year scotch in intelikey's coffee
[05:48] <intelikey> :)
[05:48] <intelikey> (:
[05:49] <T3> intelikey: done.. will test
[05:49] <intelikey> coffee strong enough to float a horse shoe in,  and strong enough to make the horse stagger       yeee hah !
[05:50] <genii> intelikey: I understand. Had a 14 hour workday today. Sorta winding down now (trying to)
[05:51] <intelikey> 19.5 hour == long    14 = normal    well almost   13.5 is normal
[05:52] <genii> intelikey: You should seriously sleep sometime
[05:52] <T3> intelikey: a logical coffee to you, as a THANKS award
[05:52] <genii> T3: hE LIKES COOKIES TOO
[05:52] <genii> Bah caps lock
[05:52] <intelikey> welcome t3
[05:52] <genii> !helpersnack | intelikey
[05:52] <T3> =]
[05:53] <intelikey> !botsnack | to you
[05:54] <intelikey> ok that's too geeky even for me.    back in a few.
[05:55] <genii> hehe
[05:56] <dwidmann> Umm, I've been getting random shutdowns lately, with no messages whatsoever, does anybody have any ideas how I can track down the cause?
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> guys
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> I don't want to be a noob anymore
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> so
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> I am going to install gentoo
[05:56] <o0Chris0o> and run fluxbox
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> I wanna learn
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> :)
[05:57] <o0Chris0o> sorry off topic convo
[05:57] <genii> o0Chris0o: Have fun :)
[05:57] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: I have an idea for you that doesn't involve switching distros if you're interesting
[05:57] <neo__> how long will gentoo installing take?
[05:57] <dwidmann> neo__: I heard the number "ten hours" from someone else, but it's highly dependent on your machine
[05:57] <intelikey> dwidmann he's not very interesting
[05:57] <robotgeek> dwidmann: take a look at output of dmesg | less
[05:58]  * robotgeek recommends linux from scratch :)
[05:58] <o0Chris0o> dwidmann: whats the idea
[05:58] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: install a minimal ubuntu system, with no gui, and try to survive for a week.
[05:59] <dwidmann> o0Chris0o: while still remaining productive
[05:59] <neo__> 10 hours, not so bad
[05:59] <o0Chris0o> gnome enviroement?
[05:59] <neo__> what about inside a virtual machine?
[05:59] <o0Chris0o> oh nvm
[05:59] <o0Chris0o> with no gui
[05:59] <robotgeek> it does not take 10 hours, they have binaries now.
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> and installers
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> from live cd
[06:00] <neo__> sounds great.
[06:00] <o0Chris0o> http://www.gentoo.org
[06:01] <dwidmann> That sounds contradictory to the supposed benefits gentoo was supposed to offer :s
[06:02] <philsf> I just upgraded to hardy and noticed that in kmail (or kontact, fwiw) the keys +/- (next unread/prev unread) don't work anymore. Can anyone confirm this behaviour?
[06:03] <o0Chris0o> !bugs
[06:03] <dwidmann> robotgeek: I'm looking, but an extra set of eyes couldn't hurt, tell me if you see anything -- http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3847e220
[06:04] <robotgeek> philsf: it works fine for me.
[06:04] <philsf> robotgeek: any idea what can I do to fix it?
[06:05] <dwidmann> robotgeek: and dmesg.0 also - http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6c972763
[06:05] <robotgeek> philsf: does it work from the menu (Go -> Next Unread Message?)
[06:05] <philsf> robotgeek: yup
[06:05] <robotgeek> philsf: does it have the correct shortcuts listed next to them?
[06:06] <robotgeek> dwidmann: i don't see anything odd there, lemme see if i need to look at a different log file
[06:06] <philsf> robotgeek: yup, also
[06:07] <robotgeek> dwidmann: might be work looking at both the syslog and kernel.log (/var/log)
[06:07] <philsf> robotgeek: actually, I'm used to using the numpad + and - keys for this, but the + in the main pad works
[06:07] <neo__> ~gentoo
[06:07] <philsf> (and yes, the numlock light is lit)
[06:08] <philsf> weird, then it's not kmail's fault
[06:11] <shree_> hi how do I join ubuntu channel
[06:11] <flaccid> shree_: /join #ubuntu
[06:11] <shree_> flaccid: thanks
[06:11] <flaccid> np
[06:13] <philsf> weird...
[06:13] <philsf> robotgeek: it's not kmail, at all
[06:13] <philsf> I an consistently crash X with any number in the numpad
[06:14] <dwidmann> Things certainly were acting funny after removing network-manager .... no wonder I lost my connection
[06:14] <intelikey> black mate finish, browning a-bolt .308  with a nightforce 8-32x56.   why?   what do you use ?   i just assumed that was a standard issue...
[06:14] <intelikey> oh crap.
[06:14] <intelikey> sorry guys.
[06:14] <flaccid> yeah best t put up with network manager and learn how to use it
[06:14] <dwidmann> robotgeek: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d19a81abd
[06:15] <dwidmann> crud, the syslog backed up a minute ago
[06:16] <amaafui> hey, I am new to linux ubuntu.. can you guys suggest me a website to learn about it..
[06:17] <robotgeek> amaafui: i suggest you read the help file in your computer (Kmenu-> help)
[06:17] <intelikey> amaafui ubuntu.com
[06:17] <genii> amaafui: http://ubuntuguide.org/          is very good although it is Gnome centric.
[06:18] <intelikey> gah-know-meh centric
[06:19] <dwidmann> It talks a lot about lawn ornaments?
[06:19] <intelikey> yeah that tooo
[06:19] <genii> amaafui: http://kubuntuguide.org/Hardy is not bad for KDE
[06:21] <genii> amaafui: For clarification, Gnome is the window manager (graphical interface) for regular Ubuntu, KDE is the window manager of Kubuntu
[06:21] <kennedy> :D
[06:21] <genii> And no lawn ornaments are involved
[06:22] <intelikey> oh that reminds me.  i have an issue     as most of you know, when i start a GUI it's usually blackbox.  but; if i run nautilus in there i lose my menus.    err i guess that's one for the other channel tho...
[06:22] <kennedy> Vou dar uma saída =D
[06:22] <kennedy> Algum português nessa merdica?
[06:22] <intelikey> !pr
[06:22] <intelikey> !t
[06:22] <intelikey> !pt
[06:22] <intelikey> typos
[06:22] <kennedy> Tks
[06:23] <intelikey> wc
[06:24] <mrmonkeyman> where can I find the correct parameters for adding a secondary ext3 partitioned hard drive to fstab?
[06:25] <dwidmann> robotgeek: that other pastebin was being a PITA, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9130/
[06:25] <kubuntu> my kubuntu 8.04 keeps freezing
[06:25] <kubuntu> anyone have that ame problem
[06:25] <dwidmann> kubuntu: nope, mine's randomly resetting, completely different problem >.>
[06:26] <kubuntu> dwidman does it randomly reset while watching flash
[06:26] <kubuntu> mine freezes most while watching flash
[06:26] <dwidmann> robotgeek: around line 124 I think
[06:27] <genii> mrmonkeyman: Something like UUID=57987654-f040-4ae4-93fc-b7ae8dabcdef6 /media/somename ext3 user,defaults,noauto 0 0                 find the right uuid from output of: blkid   and make the directory in /media you want to use in the fstab
[06:28] <intelikey> mrmonkeyman man mount   man fstab    and google.com    or just ask in here :)
[06:28] <mike-kubunt1> anyone with tips on a splash screen error or compiz not showing kde window decorations unless it is the active window?
[06:28] <genii> mrmonkeyman: You can change noauto to auto if you want it mounted each boot. Also manpage of fstab is informatove, as intelikey points out
[06:28] <mrmonkeyman> lol, thanks blkid is what i'm looking for
[06:29] <mike-kubunt1> for some reason, i'm stuck in a text based boot, except for about 5 seconds at the very begging, no errors in console
[06:30] <intelikey> by "stuck" i assume that means you want out of there ?
[06:30] <mike-kubunt1> intelikey: yes, i liked the cool blue kubuntu bar :'
[06:30] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[06:30] <intelikey> oh wait.
[06:30] <intelikey> let me re read that
[06:30] <robotgeek> dwidmann: brb
[06:31] <intelikey> !usplash | mike-kubunt1
[06:31] <dwidmann> robotgeek: but wait, there's more ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/9131/ -kern.log, around line 34
[06:31] <intelikey> that's probably what you are asking about
[06:31] <mike-kubunt1> yeah, but for some reason, its like it plays part of the usplash, then goes to verbose mode
[06:31] <mike-kubunt1> you think reselecting will fix it?
[06:32] <genii> I think you either require more coffee, or more sleep but i'm not sure which ( intelikey )
[06:32] <dsmith_> gn all
[06:32] <intelikey> follow that link   ^
[06:32] <mrmonkeyman> I just converted 4 hard drives to ext3 without losing any data woohooo!
[06:32] <intelikey> genii i   bu  mmm   well   ok.
[06:32] <robotgeek> dwidmann: npviewer.bin is flash plugin process, i think
[06:33] <mike-kubunt1> kk brb, gonna check if that did it ^ ^
[06:33] <dwidmann> robotgeek: hmm, come to think of it, konqueror 4.0.3 has some really nasty issues with that
[06:34] <intelikey> genii i thought he meant he was booting to a text login    not that usplash was dropping out early on him...     some times those kind of "i'm doing this and want that" messages are a little fuzzie  !!!
[06:34] <dwidmann> robotgeek: there, I just now disabled it in konqueror 4.0.3, but I wasn't anywhere near my computer when it mysteriously reset this last time
[06:34] <genii> intelikey: True, true :)
[06:35]  * genii slips intelikey more (spiked) coffee
[06:35] <dwidmann> intelikey: don't blame yourself, it's the price others pay for being vague, by being vague they're practically begging you to interpret it however you please
[06:35] <intelikey> that'll clear it all up...  hickup
[06:35] <genii> heh
[06:36] <robotgeek> dwidmann: that usb disconnect seemed to occur at an odd time
[06:36] <intelikey> dwidmann like   "my ubuntu hurts, can anyone fix it for me? </super whine voice>"
[06:37] <dwidmann> robotgeek: 00:56 is when I came back upstairs to see it asking for my encryption passphrase ...
[06:37] <mike-kubuntu> grr, it gives me a little of the usplash at the begining, a full one on shutdown
[06:37] <dwidmann> robotgeek: come to think of things, my keyboard has been weird lately, and it's usb, I wonder.
[06:37] <mike-kubuntu> but a little way into startup, it jumps to *reading files needed to boot [ok] etc...
[06:38] <mike-kubuntu> could it be taking my apache 2 "warning" of set /etc/conf/saslsd, USESASL = YES to enable sasld
[06:38] <mike-kubuntu> that shouldn't be a seriouse issue though
[06:39] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu sounds like  /etc/rc2.d/S98usplash   is running to quickly   maybe    (race condition instigated by upstart)     idk.
[06:40] <dwidmann> robotgeek: though, I did remove my flash drive a while ago ...
[06:40] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu or maybe you are loading a vidio driver and it's disabeling the fbcon     <-- quite possable.
[06:41] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu what vidio chip ?
[06:42] <mike-kubuntu> nvidia 8600 gts
[06:42] <mike-kubuntu> G80
[06:42] <intelikey> look and see if nvfb is blacklisted
[06:43] <intelikey> or nvidiafb
[06:43] <intelikey> which ever that is
[06:43] <mike-kubuntu> neither is
[06:43] <mike-kubuntu> it works on shutdown, which is wierd
[06:43] <mike-kubuntu> its like somethings pulling it out of the boot splash
[06:43] <mike-kubuntu> it does the part where the blue bar bounces back and forth, then cuts out when its supposed to slowly fill up
[06:44] <dwidmann> mike-kubuntu: most errors and/or input requests will make usplash disappear
[06:44] <intelikey> no. it's like something switching the gpu out of vga mode    and loading drivers do that
[06:44] <intelikey> dmesg | less
[06:45] <robotgeek> dwidmann: i gotta go, sorry.
[06:45] <dwidmann> robotgeek:  aww :( later
[06:46] <dwidmann> robotgeek: maybe later/
[06:46] <dwidmann> robotgeek: I'll save those links
[06:46] <mike-kubuntu> hmm, i don't see anythign thats an error, closes i get is that hint from apache in case i want to turn on sasld
[06:47] <mike-kubuntu> i see NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 kernel module 169.12 Thu feb 14 17:51:09 pst 2008, follode by a ACPI: PCI Interrupt, could that be it?
[06:47] <intelikey> change the time that apache loads and see if it changes when it drops out of vga mode
[06:48] <mike-kubuntu> where can i find those boot up messeges? what is sasld, maybe if i enable it it'll go away
[06:48] <mike-kubuntu> not sure what it is though
[06:48] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu yes that could be it.    that's what i was saying at first.   but, that may not be it.
[06:49] <intelikey> to the NV Q ^
[06:50] <intelikey> if it's the apache daemon that's doing it to you.   just change the order of startup so that apache doesn't start until after gdm  (kdm for those that "must" use it)
[06:52] <rich1> can someone help me with setting a static ip and port forwarding, please?
[06:52] <mike-kubuntu> rich1: its all router dependent if your behind that
[06:53] <rich1> mike-kubuntu: i'm using the actiontec dsl modem that qwest sent.
[06:53] <mrmonkeyman> Thanks to everyone that helped me tonight
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> rich1: its dependent on their hardware, however, if you wanna try poking around, is all on the router side
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> you need to set ip by mac adress
[06:54] <intelikey> rich1 how do you like qwest dsl  ?   if you don't mind my asking.
[06:54] <rich1> ugghhh.  this is all new to me.  i guess more googling.
[06:54] <mike-kubuntu> you can find it out by doing a ifconfig -all, and then you probably wanna forward ports 20 22 21 and 80
[06:54] <rich1> intelikey: i guess it's ok.  i have the 7.5mbps connections but bittornado only dls about 10-12kbs.
[06:55] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: how do i change the start-up order of the events
[06:56] <intelikey> k.   & ty for responding.
[06:57] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu the /etc/rc#.d/S##names    changing the  ## will change the order    i would only move apache to something like 87
[06:57] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: right now its at 91
[06:57] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu in rc2.d ?  or rcS.d ?
[06:58] <martin> How do I hide a .desktop file (in /usr/share/applications) so that it does not appear in the menu for any user? E.g. the control panel that comes with Sun Java. I can of course delete it, but that's not so nice.
[06:58] <mike-kubuntu> /etc/rc2.d/S91apache2
[06:58] <intelikey> hmmm that's not the cause.   go back to looking at the nv driver as the culpret
[06:59] <sirmike1970md> hi all for reason i cant get my menu bar to pop back up any thoughts
[06:59] <intelikey> unless you are loading something like apache-mod in rcS.d that is  ^
[06:59] <rich1> mike-kubuntu: sorry, but i don't see a mac address in ifconfig -a.
[07:00] <mike-kubuntu> rich1: its the HWaddr
[07:00] <intelikey> HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
[07:00] <blankb> Does VirtualBox OSE work out of the box w/ 8.04?
[07:00] <rich1> oooooh.  ok thanks.
[07:01] <intelikey> yes and no blankb, more no than yes for most.
[07:02] <blankb> intelikey: thanks.... I will do a backup before I try installing it then. 8)
[07:03] <mike-kubuntu> NVRM attempts something at 55.250895, but then does it again at 99, somthing
[07:03] <mike-kubuntu> the 55 one is followed by a GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 ACPI PCI interupt
[07:03] <mike-kubuntu> besides that i don't see anyhing wierd though, not sure what it means
[07:03] <surplusxmas> My Kubuntu 8.04 AMD64 (KDE4 Remix) Alternate Install CD install fails at the step "Select and install software".  I verified the md5sum after downloading, then ran the check integrity utility on the CD Itself, which came back valid.  The CD was burned at 16x, my lowest speed available.  My specs: Pentium D 3.00GHz, 1GB RAM, 300GB SATA HDD.  This seems to be all over the forums but none of the threads can resolve this problem fo
[07:03] <surplusxmas> a different mirror, burned with a different burner (K3B on Slax this time instead of MagicISO on Windows XP).
[07:04] <intelikey> irq18 may be your vga interrupt  you can check in /proc/interrupte and see
[07:04] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: cat /proc/interupt | less ?
[07:05] <genii> surplusxmas: do alt-f4 to see what the install messages/errors may be
[07:05] <intelikey> less is not needed here.. you may have a long list,  i dont'
[07:05] <genii> surplusxmas: alt-f1 to go back to main install screen
[07:05] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: /proc/interupt doesnt exist supposedly
[07:05] <surplusxmas> genii: Here - http://surplusxmas.net/kubuntulog/
[07:05] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu it's plural
[07:05] <intelikey> !tab | mike-kubuntu
[07:06] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: sorry, 18 is EMU10K1
[07:06] <intelikey> even "M$ Windoze command prompt"  now has tab completion
[07:06] <flaccid> ll
[07:06] <flaccid> lol even
[07:07] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu that would be a eth or ath card i think
[07:07] <genii> surplusxmas: The info there is not extremely helpful in finding out why the alternate cd is stalling. To find out what it's attempting to do or the process it's stalling on, when it stalls, do: alt-f4 to view the scrolling output of what the installer is doing. There may be some theme there which has informative information.
[07:08] <intelikey> mike-kubuntu ummm   you might ask in #ubuntu  seeing that i have told you just about all i can on that.    and usplash is not DE related/specific
[07:09] <surplusxmas> genii: OK.  It's actually this machine that I'm trying to install on - I'm on a Slax LiveCD right now, so it's impossible at the moment.  Because of that, do you have any other suggestions that I can use during the same install attempt to take advantage of the install attempt?  You know, since I have to go back and fourth. :)
[07:09] <mike-kubuntu> well, i don't mind the nongraphical boot as much as the window decorations dis appearing when compiz is launched except for the active window
[07:09] <mike-kubuntu> intelikey: thanks, i'll try there
[07:10] <intelikey> anyone know a map source for garmen gps units ?   or a  converter for map files ?
[07:11] <genii> surplusxmas: If the console4 has something informative you can go to busybox of console2 or console3 to try and fix it from commandline
[07:12] <genii> surplusxmas: Unfortunately I need to sleep soon and willnot be around to assist
[07:12] <intelikey> FOSS is key there   ^
[07:15] <genii> 2:15AM here, goodnight all
[07:22] <flaccid> where is ubotu?
[07:22] <intelikey> getting a face lift
[07:23] <intelikey> !ubottu
[07:23] <flaccid> ah
[07:23] <flaccid> is there anywhere i can look up the most popular ubotu factoids?
[07:23] <flaccid> or has the project done studies on the popular support requests/issues?
[07:24] <intelikey> !logs
[07:24] <intelikey> ?
[07:24] <flaccid> i guess logs aint going to grep out the frequent stuff
[07:25] <intelikey> !factoids
[07:25] <flaccid> !dkfjdsklf
[07:25] <flaccid> hmm
[07:27] <intelikey> anyway wherever the factoid list is   you could     for Q in `somthign to put the list here` ;do echo "$Q `grep -c $Q channel.log`" ;done
[07:27] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah i searched google and i can't find the factoids anymore, its like its 404 on a .nl site..
[07:27] <flaccid> i want to identify the holes in our support etc.
[07:27] <intelikey> hmmm
[07:28] <intelikey> flaccid vidio and audio    and minor networking
[07:28] <intelikey> thoes are the major sore spots
[07:28] <flaccid> yep plus i guess samba
[07:29] <flaccid> trying to see if there are more major ones
[07:29] <flaccid> wondering if its possible to come up with generic troubleshooting processes for things like these eg. 'my audio doesn't work out of box'
[07:30] <mike-kubuntu> where can i find the md5sums for the dvd i386 release
[07:31] <flaccid> thats a good question
[07:31] <intelikey> flaccid i don't see why not.    #alsa  can even help on that.  they use scripts
[07:32] <flaccid> they use scripts?
[07:32] <intelikey> flaccid yes  for gathering information on problem systems
[07:32] <intelikey> you join there and they tell you    dl and run this...  give me the url...
[07:33] <flaccid> interesting, thanks i'll investigate
[07:33] <intelikey> welcome
[07:34] <intelikey> not sure about   #xorg   but you might hit a good idea there too.
[07:34] <flaccid> yeah. lots of thinking to do here
[07:34] <intelikey> may require some thinking drinking....
[07:35] <flaccid> yeah
[07:35] <flaccid> i ran out of milk so im on long blacks
[07:40] <octet> mike-kubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/MD5SUMS
[07:41] <flaccid> stdin: mate i think we need the dvd / all checksums on the download page
[07:41] <ubuntu_> hi all . I am first time using kubuntu. How do I get jre installed for FireFox, so that I can play java games ?
[07:42] <flaccid> !java | ubuntu_
[07:42] <flaccid> ubuntu_: most people will want to install kubuntu-restricted-extras which gives java plus other common wants
[07:43] <manossss> hello, i am doing an installation after i broke my system :) . What do you think about this partition scheme? swap:512,/ 30G,/home 45 G, /data 45 G ? 30 G for / is good?
[07:43] <flaccid> whats /data?
[07:43] <ubuntu_> ok I am running live right now, have not installed onto hrd drive quite yet, just wanted to get the hang of it first
[07:43] <flaccid> ubuntu_: coolio
[07:45] <manossss> flaccid : it's like another partition.. it can also be in /media.. it's just another partition..
[07:45] <manossss> i don't know about / ..
[07:45] <ere4si> 10G for / is heaps
[07:46] <manossss> ere4si: so, 10 G is enough for /  ? i don't want / to be full.. can lead to bad stuff!
[07:46] <flaccid> manossss: well thats probably not the best way to do it but cool...
[07:47]  * intelikey normally uses 4g /
[07:47] <flaccid> manossss: the / depends on things like spooling as there is no separate /var
[07:47] <ere4si> the install is only 3G or so
[07:47] <flaccid> if its a mail or print server, / may need to be large for example unless using in /home like maildir
[07:48] <flaccid> intelikey: what other servers do users install on desktops a lot like samba?
[07:48] <flaccid> i guess x11vnc
[07:48] <manossss> yes, that is why i'm 'afraid' of giving to litle space for /.. i don't want /tmp to fill my partition and then my system will not be good.. Maybe 5 G ?
[07:49] <flaccid> manossss: what are the roles of this puter?
[07:49] <intelikey> flaccid ftp  but don't ask why
[07:49] <flaccid> intelikey: ah yeah so openssh-server for sftp and something else for insecure
[07:49] <LamerMan> guys, is it worth now to switch to kde4? is it stable enough? :)
[07:50] <manossss> flaccid: I work on this computer. no servers (even ssh), i have my server for these stuff.. No big games
[07:50] <manossss> my desktop+my production machine
[07:50] <intelikey> yeah   vsftp  even
[07:50] <ubuntu_> one more quick question, if I may. When I install things while running live, then decide to install onto the hard drive, do the extra things I just installed also get installed onto the harddrive, or do I have to install them again after?
[07:50] <manossss> 'production':i study
[07:51] <flaccid> manossss: in that case 5G should be enough unless you install heeeaps of apps
[07:51] <ere4si> ubuntu_: you have to reinstall them
[07:51] <ubuntu_> ok thank you
[07:51] <intelikey> manossss i might even ask why you are "partitioning" it...   could give the disk to /   if you have a backup server  then nothing gets full
[07:51] <flaccid> intelikey: i guess insecure is only recommended in the case where the client doesn't have sftp support, which means they should change to winscp if on windows :)
[07:52] <intelikey> yes
[07:52] <dwidmann> what does it take to get recordmydesktop working in hardy? It dies with some sort of "locking assertion failure" :(
[07:52] <ere4si> with a separate /home fresh installs are easier
[07:52] <flaccid> intelikey: any other servers you can think of that are common for desktop users
[07:52] <manossss> intelikey : i am installing from a system failure.. so, i want /home seperete this time..
[07:53] <flaccid> i wonder why the installer doesn't advise a separate home, i would of thought that would be a good practice
[07:53] <manossss> flaccid for real!
[07:53] <flaccid> hopefully im real :)
[07:54] <manossss> :)
[07:54] <flaccid> manossss: actually im a power user and have a 40G / but use over 6GB. maybe a 10GB is wise manossss
[07:54] <dwidmann> flaccid: I think it's planned
[07:54] <flaccid> dwidmann: coolio
[07:55] <flaccid> an option for separate /var and /usr would be mad as well...
[07:56] <manossss> flaccid 10 G is what i'm thinking of using. it's a 120 G drive so, 10 is not so much.. i think a seperate /home is enough
[07:56] <manossss> :)
[07:56] <surplusxmas> My AMD64 Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE4 Remix) Alternte Install CD fails at "Select and install software".  The CD is fully valid/integrity checked.  I looked in the console after the failure message was given and I saw the following: "WARNING**: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1" and "WARNING**: Menu item 'pkgsel' failed." What does this mean and how can I fix it?
[07:56] <flaccid> manossss: yep exactly. im on a 120GB notebook hdd and apply same sort of principle
[07:56] <flaccid> surplusxmas: did you try google?
[07:57] <dwidmann> surplusxmas: maybe it's just trying to download things ....... that's what happened to me, if you use the expert mode on the alternate installer it'll let you skip that
[07:57] <intelikey> flaccid not really.   most people are just running httpd (a private web page or two) sshd (which smarter people use with konqurer and fish://)  X11vnc (shared desktops) samba & cupsysd      and a few even dare the less common private mailbox daemon of choice but that's not common.
[07:57] <surplusxmas> Yes, it was unusually unfriendly.
[07:57] <surplusxmas> What's the difference between this and expert mode?
[07:57] <manossss> and i think 512 swap @ beggining is enough.. i never use swap anyway..
[07:57] <dwidmann> surplusxmas: flexibility, user controll, the ability to know what's going on
[07:58] <flaccid> intelikey: ok cool thanks for the input. i think i might start recommending the web server applet for basic http then apache for users that actually are devs or whatever
[07:58] <surplusxmas> dwidmann: I don't consider myself an "expert," but I'll try it out.  Thanks for your suggestion. :)
[07:58] <flaccid> manossss: depends how much ram you have
[07:58] <intelikey> flaccid and i'm lagging about a minute now.
[07:58] <flaccid> hehe dang intell
[07:59] <manossss> i have 1.2 G
[07:59] <flaccid> make it 1.2GB just in case your puter needs it in peak use
[07:59] <manossss> mm..
[07:59] <flaccid> linux manages memory well so increasing swap size is no detriment..
[08:00] <manossss> i never really use swap.. would a bigger swap also make it slower?
[08:00] <intelikey> slightly larger than ram will allow suspend to disk
[08:00] <flaccid> nah ^^
[08:00] <intelikey> sorry that's gonna be late.
[08:01] <flaccid> windows will love using swap when ram is still available. generally linux only uses swap when out of ram
[08:01] <manossss> mm.. so, when i have a smaller than my ram swap, i cannot suspent to disk?
[08:01] <dwidmann> manossss: if you're not going to suspend to disk and you have enough ram that you never run out, then swap mostly just wastes disk space (which may or may not be precious
[08:02] <manossss> i usually suspent to ram.. but i still want to have the option.. and for 1 G.. i think it's ok
[08:02] <dwidmann> manossss: suspend to disk basically just dumps what's in your ram to the swap, so you have to have more swap than ram to suspend.
[08:02] <intelikey>    The  maximum  useful
[08:02] <intelikey>        size  of  a  swap  area now depends on the architecture.  It is roughly 2GiB on i386, PPC,
[08:02] <intelikey>        m68k, ARM, 1GiB on sparc, 512MiB on mips, 128GiB on alpha and 3TiB on sparc64.
[08:02] <intelikey> man mkswap
[08:03] <flaccid> i generally never go over 2048MB swap which kind of matches that theory sweet
[08:03] <manossss> dwidmann i didn't knew.. so even if i use part of my memory, i would need the space to copy ALL my memory.. (even 0s)
[08:04]  * intelikey never uses swap    period.
[08:04] <dwidmann> which reminds me, I need to spring for that extra 2GiB of RAM
[08:04] <flaccid> intelikey: you have lots of ram?
[08:05] <intelikey> Memory Used/Total Percent: 61/503 MB (12%)
[08:05] <noisekiller> Morning all
[08:05] <intelikey> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[08:05] <intelikey> i don't use a lot of ram.
[08:05] <flaccid> are you not running X ? 61MB is not much
[08:06] <manossss> what do you think of: swap:1.4(ram 1.2),/ 10, /home 50,/data 50   ?
[08:06] <flaccid> sounds good to me manossss
[08:06] <intelikey> ummm let me check  i don't think so right now.
[08:06] <intelikey> no  no X atm
[08:07] <flaccid> cool
[08:07] <manossss> :) i'm going with it..
[08:07] <manossss> thanx
[08:08] <intelikey> but i do have a lot going on right now.   several consoles busy
[08:08] <intelikey> like 8 busy consoles
[08:08] <flaccid> yeah but nothing graphical and shiz
[08:08] <intelikey> pasting file /usr/local/bin/mem
[08:08] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6a9a568f
[08:08] <dwidmann> Mem:   2061244k total,  1135628k used .......
[08:08] <intelikey> the script that gets that ram usage   ^
[08:09] <intelikey> my lag time is down
[08:09] <intelikey> yay
[08:10] <flaccid> cool
[08:11] <intelikey> so much for that...   lag going up ^
[08:11] <intelikey> up
[08:13] <dwidmann> nice script intelikey
[08:14] <intelikey> ty
[08:15] <dwidmann> was it you who I got that pastebin script off of? If so ... many thanks for it also (though the site it uses is a bit flakey at times :( )
[08:16] <LamerMan> i'm doing now upgrade to 8.04 from 7.10, will my settings and additional packets be saved? I was told by someone that upgrade tool installs a fresh OS with default packages and no settings will be saved
[08:17] <dwidmann> wow .... my apps aren't using a whole lot atm ... Memory Used/Total Percent: 433/2012 MB (21%)
[08:20] <Kr|ptiX> ive recently updated to 8.04 an now im haven  sound problems can  someonee help
[08:20] <ere4si> !sound
[08:20] <intelikey> dwidmann idk could be me.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d21aeaac3   <<< is that it ?   if so the first uncommented line is where you set the url.
[08:21] <intelikey> dwidmann try   s/us/ca/  maybe   ?
[08:22] <intelikey> i've never had any problem with the site.  but then again, that's normal.
[08:25] <intelikey> dwidmann stdin also wrote a script for pasteing things   it might have been his you got     idk.
[08:26] <dwidmann> Hm, hard to tell, all I know is it required me to install curl first
[08:26] <intelikey> if anyone wants to update this one feel free   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3191e30e
[08:26] <intelikey> dwidmann umm probably mine    i think his used wget
[08:27] <dwidmann> intelikey: I do see the option to change the URL, but how compatible is it with other pastebins?
[08:28] <Qnuffy> Hello
[08:28] <intelikey> dwidmann try just changing the .us to .ca  and see if it helps you
[08:28] <Qnuffy>  have an difficult problem with Hardy (Kubuntu) - i have installed DeKorator and now my top windows titles are disappeared http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6347/bildschirmphoto1ck7.png <-- heres an screenshot to my problem
[08:29] <LamerMan> did anyone update from 7.10 to 8.04? :) do settings and additional packaged save after update? I have wireshark, avr-gcc and other packages that are not a part of official release, will all they be saved?
[08:29] <Qnuffy> I dont know where they are
[08:31] <dwidmann> intelikey: hmmmm ..... no, still won't work for me ..... bah. It worked a couple times earlier
[08:32] <intelikey> dwidmann ummm maybe not too compatable   hehhe oops.   but i didn't really write it for the world to use.    just for me and if someone in here needed it, i'd share.   but hey   it is FOSS change it to suit your self
[08:32] <intelikey> :)
[08:32] <Qnuffy> is there nobody who can help me?
[08:32] <Qnuffy> :(^^
[08:32] <intelikey> i might make it more portable some time.  if i do i'll let you know dwidmann
[08:32] <dwidmann> intelikey: I'd think about it if I could make heads or tails of it .......
[08:34] <intelikey> Qnuffy i don't/can't    i'm still on dapper and a CLI guy at that.
[08:34] <Qnuffy> :-/
[08:36] <ere4si> Qnuffy: have you tried typing   man dekorator   in a konsole?
[08:36] <Qnuffy> clemens@8u773r8r07:~$ man dekorator
[08:36] <Qnuffy> No manual entry for dekorator
[08:36] <Qnuffy> clemens@8u773r8r07:~$
[08:36] <dwidmann> intelikey: odd that I'm going to be using pastebin to see if I can figure things out, but I feel like seeing if I can get it to working, step one being to stop the output from being redirected to /dev/null ....
[08:38] <dwidmann> intelikey: seems to be uploading, but ... it's not giving me a link :s http://paste.ubuntu.com/9139/
[08:38] <MythosGr> Is this the right place to discuss some upgrade issues with Hardy and amd64?
[08:39] <dwidmann> MythosGr: sure
[08:40] <MythosGr> Thanks, It seems there is something weird with ide hard drives in my machine which has become extremely slow since I upgraded from 7.10 o 8.04
[08:41] <dwidmann> MythosGr: you'll probably see a lot of output in your logs in that case I bet
[08:41] <MythosGr> ... I had to install live-initramfs for the system to boot with 2.6.24-16-generic
[08:41] <dwidmann> MythosGr: check your /var/log/syslog, /var/log/dmesg, and /var/log/kern.log files
[08:41] <noisekiller> Heeelp! xgl is using 99% cpu .... how to disable xgl?
[08:42] <Qnuffy> i hate my window titles
[08:43] <Qnuffy> i install compiz - they're gone, i install Dekorator - they're gone ...
[08:43] <ere4si> Qnuffy: are you using compiz/desktop effects as well?
[08:43] <ere4si> k
[08:43] <Kr|ptiX> can someone help me  set up my sound
[08:43] <intelikey> dwidmann i'm not going to fix it right now.    here   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d49174a9a   i did add a comment or two to help you understand it i little.   and note that   the   |\    means it pipes that output into the next line.
[08:43] <Qnuffy> no i dont - this time i havent install compiz
[08:43] <Qnuffy> but i need dekorator because i want to use the Azenis Desktop theme
[08:45] <MythosGr> I have examined the logs already and I see no errors, however I have the lsmod output from the previous kernel on 7.10 (2.6.22-14-generic) which seems to load different modules for the hard drives (raid1 with xfs))
[08:45] <dwidmann> thanks intelikey, I'll see what I can do :)
[08:46] <MythosGr> 2.6.22 loads ata_generic where 2.6.24 loads pata_amd
[08:48] <ere4si> Qnuffy: nothing on google about that - what is the graphic card you're using?
[08:48] <MythosGr> If I remove the live-initiramfs the system will not boot, I get no busybox or other maintenance shell whatsoever (busybox-initramfs and initramfs-tools installed)
[08:49] <Qnuffy> an geforce 7600gt
[08:49] <Qnuffy> @ ere4si
[08:50] <MythosGr> ...It's a Gigabyte nforce 430 MB with amd64x2 CPU
[08:50] <ere4si> Qnuffy: that should be good enough then...
[08:50] <Qnuffy> i have installed the drivers correctly too :-/
[08:51] <Qnuffy> clemens@8u773r8r07:~$ glxinfo | grep rendering
[08:51] <Qnuffy> direct rendering: Yes
[08:51] <Qnuffy> clemens@8u773r8r07:~$
[08:51] <MythosGr> Any ideas?
[08:54] <Qnuffy> when i use crystal i have my windows titles
[08:54] <Qnuffy> only when i use Dekorator they are gone
[08:54] <ere4si> Qnuffy: enough people have the no titlebars issue in compiz - it is easily solved - but in dekorator I don't know...
[08:55] <Qnuffy> with compiz i have the same problem too^^
[08:55] <ere4si> Qnuffy: in #compiz that will be solved easy
[08:56] <intelikey> i'm sure nobody ever needs anything like this http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1e3e1837   and anyone that did would just jump streithg to google  rather than using a script.   but here it is anyway.
[09:13] <fakman> hi
[09:14] <intelikey> say
[09:15] <Qnuffy> now i have installed Emerald and an skin but when i select the skin there isn a change
[09:15] <Qnuffy> no reaction
[09:16] <intelikey> apply ?
[09:17] <Qnuffy> yeah
[09:17] <intelikey> hmmm.
[09:17] <Qnuffy> double click on theme
[09:17] <Qnuffy> there's no apply button o:
[09:17] <intelikey> oh me i go now.    gooday
[09:19] <Trophyhead> hey any know if the memory bus on my computer would make any video card slow?, cause it's an old computer has only 133mhz, it's a pentium4 netvista 2ghz 768 ram = )
[09:20] <flaccid> yeah that would make a diff
[09:21] <Trophyhead> k thx, guess I'd be better off buying a new computer than a good card that won't help with a low sys bus = )
[09:21] <flaccid> sorry what is 133mhz?
[09:22] <flaccid> the ram? what type of ram is it? SDRAM?
[09:22] <Trophyhead> the memory bus, I guess, system bus,
[09:23] <flaccid> they are different
[09:23] <flaccid> FSB != memory bus
[09:23] <flaccid> if its p4 its doesn't have a 133mhz fsb...
[09:24] <flaccid> not much you can do if your computer has old ram slots. still the difference in speed it not necessarily dramatic
[09:25] <Trophyhead> hmm, ill take a look at the utilty screen again, I see alot of videos cards say 300 mhz, & because my sys bus is only 133mhz figured it won't perform as well as it could
[09:26] <Trophyhead> it has only a x4 agp slot
[09:26] <flaccid> um are you sure your system bus is 133mhz. i mean hate to point out the obvious, but of course a new computer is going to be faster..
[09:26] <Trophyhead> well at least thats what kubuntu reads it as
[09:27] <flaccid> p4 is usually up to 800mhz for bus..
[09:27] <flaccid> read what as exactly, where? what part of kubuntu?
[09:27] <flaccid> what application in kubuntu?
[09:28] <Trophyhead> when i bought a video card & looked at it in the K-info center program it said x4, tho the card was up to x8
[09:29] <flaccid> yeah backwards compat agp
[09:29] <Trophyhead> yes
[09:29] <flaccid> agp is dead now, its pci-x
[09:30] <Trophyhead> ya true, the fastest
[09:30] <flaccid> but where in kinfocenter does it say 133mhz ?
[09:31] <Trophyhead> oh not there on the IBM utilty screen, where you can see a summery of the system
[09:31] <flaccid> you have to find out what bus its actually talking about...
[09:32] <flaccid> p4 is usually 533mhz, 400 or 800 and p3 was 133mhz..
[09:32] <Trophyhead> i think it said either memory bus, or system bus, I'll go check & reboot
[09:32] <flaccid> ok. i mean if you are using old sdram which is 133mhz then yeah, but i would expect most p4 motherboards to have ddr slots
[09:33] <Trophyhead> oh dam, then I was scammed on this pc yet another way = (   the motherboard had been changed, probably for the pentium 3 = (
[09:33] <Trophyhead> if its 133
[09:33] <flaccid> Trophyhead: well i would advise checking kinfocenter and places to see what exactly you have
[09:33] <flaccid> eg. cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:34] <Trophyhead> ya im going to thx = )
[09:34] <jeremy_> hey, i need help with WEP please?
[09:34] <flaccid> np
[09:34] <flaccid> jeremy_: whats the problem?
[09:35] <jeremy_> i have my network goin on the windows computers, but it wont work with kubuntu unless i make it unsecured
[09:35] <flaccid> jeremy_: why, what happens?
[09:35] <flaccid> are you using knetworkmanager, jeremy_ ?
[09:35] <ere4si> !wep
[09:36] <flaccid> true. you should be using WPA unless your router cannot support it via firmware upgrade (if needed)
[09:36] <jeremy_> yea i heard it was pretty average, but really just want it to stop my neighbours using my network, no ones gonna bother trying to hack it
[09:36] <flaccid> wep is crackable in a few seconds
[09:36] <flaccid> jeremy_: use WPA>
[09:36] <jeremy_> yea i use knetworkmanager but it just says unable to connect
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> wep's OK if your neighbours aren't tech-savvy
[09:37] <flaccid> until someone wardrives you
[09:37] <flaccid> jeremy_: so can you use WPA ?
[09:37] <SlimeyPete> yeah, but the chances of that vary depending on your location
[09:37] <jeremy_> i gave it a go with the router but it wouldnt save the settings for some reason
[09:37] <flaccid> why take  a risk?
[09:38] <jeremy_> my options were wpa 801.1x or ascii pass or hex pass
[09:38] <flaccid> jeremy_:  i would advise working out why its a problem. probably because you were mismatching asii passphrase and key.
[09:38] <flaccid> jeremy_: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces please
[09:38] <flaccid> you want WPA-PSK with passphrase in ascii.
[09:38] <jeremy_> pastebin?
[09:39] <flaccid> !pastebin | jeremy_
[09:39] <jeremy_> i dont think my router does wpa-psk
[09:39] <flaccid> jeremy_: or TKIP
[09:40] <flaccid> just select the one for passhprase and hopefully it should look after the rest
[09:40] <flaccid> jeremy_: what make/model is the router?
[09:40] <jeremy_> auto lo
[09:40] <jeremy_> iface lo inet loopback
[09:40] <jeremy_> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:40] <jeremy_> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:41] <jeremy_> thats the interfaces file, not much to it
[09:41] <jeremy_> its a dlink 604g
[09:41] <jeremy_> g604t sorry
[09:41] <flaccid> pastebin jeremy_!
[09:41] <jeremy_> oh sorry i thought it was small enough
[09:42] <jeremy_> oh an sorry again my router does do psk
[09:42] <jeremy_> i can choose psk hex or psk string
[09:42] <flaccid> please attempt the wpa psk which is secure. i mean so far looks like no problem. likely dlink as they are pretty bad quality usually
[09:42] <flaccid> psk string is what you want
[09:43] <flaccid> which will convert to hex for you..
[09:43] <jeremy_> any rules for the string? 8 character minimum right?
[09:43] <ere4si> there's no net in that "paste"
[09:44] <flaccid> ere4si: there shouldn't be any net in it as its done on the user level with knetworkmanager
[09:44] <flaccid> jeremy_: yes 8 min please
[09:44] <ere4si> k
[09:44] <jeremy_> k just trying that now
[09:45] <jeremy_> although the browser just seems to freeze when i clcik 'save details and reboot modem'
[09:45] <flaccid> jeremy_: yeah can be typical of bad routers
[09:46] <jeremy_> yea its a piece of crap haha
[09:46] <flaccid> totally. i put dlink in my shitlist years ago. now for soho appliance routers i only use linksys wrt-54gl or similar
[09:47] <jeremy_> ill try do it in the advanced user mode
[09:47] <jeremy_> brb
[09:47] <jeremy_> is group key interval important?
[09:47] <jeremy_> what is that?
[09:48] <flaccid> im not sure what that is. should just use the first key..
[09:48] <jeremy_> k ill give it a go now
[09:48] <flaccid> k
[09:50] <jeremy_> it doesnt seem to keep the wpa string
[09:51] <jeremy_> ill press apply and itll just clear the field
[09:51] <flaccid> which browser?
[09:51] <jeremy_> konquerer
[09:51] <flaccid> dlink probably got invalid code
[09:51] <flaccid> try firefox and failing that Internet Explorer on windows if available
[09:52] <jeremy_> ill go get ie, prolly easiest bet
[09:52] <flaccid> yeah, thats what they code it for because like most firmware makers they totally ignore web standards
[09:54] <jeremy_> yea it sucks
[09:55] <flaccid> any luck but?
[09:55] <flaccid> i mean i would re-flash the firmware on it with latest myself
[09:55] <jeremy_> ive tried with ubuntu before but kinda gave up, but decided to give it a more serious effort this time
[09:55] <jeremy_> jus stating up another laptop with windows
[09:55] <flaccid> cool
[09:56] <flaccid> yeah in this case it appears ubuntu is fine :)
[09:57] <ubuntu> algum brasileiro ?
[09:57] <jeremy_> oh k, its sticking now, ill reboot the router then give it a go
[09:57] <jeremy_> brb
[09:58] <ere4si> !pt
[10:00] <crazy_bus> is there anyway to get a large deb from universe in a torrent (200mb) kget4 is not finishing downloads properly (gets to 100% and then does nothing) and I'm missing a few bytes and don't want to download 200mb's again
[10:01] <cahuez> give a try to amule crazy_bus..
[10:02] <crazy_bus> cahuez: can amule resume a broken file like ktorrent can?
[10:03] <crazy_bus> *like ktorrent can if theirs a app. .torrent file
[10:08] <cahuez> yes it can..
[10:09] <cahuez> try amule and find out the requested file..
[10:10] <crazy_bus> thanks cahuez.  So I just input a server address into amule and it will fix the file?
[10:10] <cahuez> mm, better than that, just go to search and find the desired file, or..
[10:11] <cahuez> try to copy/paste the original .torrent address into it..
[10:11] <crazy_bus> cahuez: so it can search all of the debs from the universe repo?
[10:11] <crazy_bus> cahuez: I don't have a torrent for the file.  That's the problem
[10:12] <cahuez> humm, then try a search of the file inside amule..
[10:13] <crazy_bus> cahuez: do you know if this deb is there? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/fgfs-base/download
[10:14] <snikker> when i insert a cd/dvd in a second dvd drive, the system don't mount it and in dmesg, i've got this: http://pastebin.com/m1cc3d71c
[10:15] <cahuez> checking crazy_bus...
[10:17] <Trophyhead> well I guess I was scammed!, my computer reads 133MHz memory bus speed, like a pentium3 motherboard, in a pentium4 caseing = (  awww F***!!!
[10:18] <cahuez> humm crazy, i can't check the link at this time, traffic jamms or so, ehe but, for what is the link for..!?
[10:18] <jeremy__> back
[10:18] <jeremy__> got wpa all up and running
[10:18] <crazy_bus> cahuez: the package for Flight Gear Flight Simulator -- base files
[10:18] <cahuez> checking...
[10:19] <cahuez> wanna install flightgear right now..!?
[10:19] <crazy_bus> cahuez: what do you mean?
[10:20] <cahuez> are you looking for> cahuez: the package for Flight Gear Flight Simulator -- base files ..!?
[10:21] <crazy_bus> cahuez: I'm looking for the deb file which contains: Flight Gear Flight Simulator base files
[10:22] <cahuez> mm, before of all, try to search all the stuff with> apt-cache search flightgear ..
[10:23] <crazy_bus> cahuez: this package; fgfs-base
[10:24] <cahuez> yeap, is available as a complete apt-getting...
[10:24] <cahuez> then if desired, just type> apt-get install flightgear..
[10:25] <crazy_bus> cahuez: I know.  But the 200mb file is corrupt, and I would much prefer a way to fix it
[10:27] <cahuez> well, doing it the safe way, just try to apt-getting it and then forget the other one..
[10:27] <cahuez> i did install the flightgear the apt-get install flightgear way and runs beautiful, hehe..
[10:28] <crazy_bus> cahuez: the internet is so slow here that would take half a day.  And I'm afraid it wouldn't resume if I had to turn the computer off
[10:28] <XyQrTw> Hello all
[10:30] <cahuez> hiya..
[10:32] <XyQrTw> I've some problems with Kubuntu. My ethernet conection dont strat automaticaly. Who can help me ?
[10:32] <hamalawy> hello everyone, please i need help.. everytime i try to update kubuntu 8.04 it gives me this message " There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[10:33] <cahuez> your ethernet connection..?
[10:33] <XyQrTw> (excuse me ; but i'm french)
[10:33] <hamalawy> i can't update my system, but i can install software
[10:33] <cahuez> is ok..
[10:33] <cahuez> hamalawy, are you doing a online upgrade..?
[10:34] <cahuez> xyqrtw, lets check the following...
[10:34] <sisif> XyQrTw: what chipset do you have for you ethernet card ?
[10:34] <XyQrTw> Where i can see that ?
[10:34] <sisif> lspci | grep Ether
[10:35] <cahuez> let's enter to K/system configuration..
[10:35] <cahuez> network connectivity..
[10:36] <cahuez> and no problem warren, my kubuntu is in spanish but i can read some languages..
[10:36] <hamalawy> yes i'm doing an online upgrade
[10:36] <hamalawy> i already installed kubuntu and i'm trying to update kubuntu it's self if that's what you mean
[10:36] <sisif> cahuez: do you have any experience with modules issues ?
[10:36] <Signil> whats the easiest way one could upgrade to kde4
[10:36] <cahuez> yeap sisif..
[10:37] <cahuez> just let's try to do the online upgrade first and then..
[10:37] <cahuez> hamalawy, the upgrade was succesfull..?
[10:38] <hamalawy> no
[10:38] <sisif> cahuez: If it`s not much trouble to you, can you please check this post (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=776378) and maybe gimme an advice on what to do next ..
[10:38] <noaXess> i want install two deb packages.. one is a dependencie of the other.. it's a newer version of the package mixxx and mixxx-data..
[10:38] <noaXess> how can i do that with the .deb files, that it use also the dependency deb file for the installation?
[10:39] <cahuez> sure, let me try to check it; i'm doing a online upgrade for one of the lan pc's and the stuff is a bit slow...
[10:39] <sisif> cahuez: yup, no hurry. and thank you.
[10:40] <cahuez> humm, i can't firefox while is upgrading..
[10:40] <sisif> noaXess: have you tried with sudo dpkg -i deb1 deb2 ?
[10:40] <hamalawy> okay, i have 6 updates waiting to be installed. when i press apply updates it gives me "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[10:41] <cahuez> and the message is near to the end of the upgrade hamalawy..!?
[10:41] <hamalawy> no.. it's as soon as i press the apply updates button
[10:42] <cahuez> and the disk space is fine..?
[10:42] <hamalawy> yeah, i have 30 gigs free
[10:42] <sisif> hamalawy: is you have any experience with ubuntu / kubuntu , you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list by hand and add the new repos there. And the do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:43] <sisif> Hmm, but I guess not :(
[10:43] <XyQrTw> sisif > Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)
[10:43] <hamalawy> i marked every option in the source list if that's what you mean, including the CD
[10:45] <cahuez> hold, hamalawy, just give a google search for "medibuntu" please..
[10:45] <crazy_bus> cahuez: nm I fixed it with rsync
[10:46] <cahuez> my network is traffic jammed by the time, hehe..
[10:47] <cahuez> ooks fine crazy_bus..
[10:48] <hamalawy> i forgot to say that i installed synaptic and tried to upgrade with it but still the same problem
[10:50] <cahuez> mmm, synaptic is usually already installed by default with kubuntu; probably you overwrite something..!?
[10:52] <octet> mike-kubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/release/MD5SUMS
[10:52] <hamalawy> dunno :) ... buti did this as a last hopeless thing
[10:55] <clau30_> hi. how can I install kde3 in kubuntu-remix(kde4)?
[10:55] <sisif> cahuez: do you have any idea on what might cause this error: "ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules" ?
[10:57] <cahuez> yep, let me check...
[10:57] <Signil> wats the easiest way to upgrade to kde4? I am on feisty :s
[10:58] <cahuez> please sisif, do a google search for> "ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules" ..
[10:58] <cahuez> there is some usefull info there..
[10:58] <sisif> :)
[10:59] <jonathan__> hello!
[11:00] <jonathan__> UIve a big problem :D
[11:00] <jonathan__> my external storage drive isn't recognizes automatically when i boot my pc!
[11:02] <cahuez> jonathan, try to boot the pc first and then, if usb device, connect it later...
[11:03] <hamalawy> is there anything i can do to fix this problem
[11:04] <hamalawy> i did some research in the forums and other forums but nothing did the trick
[11:06] <noaXess> can i restart sound without rebooting?
[11:06] <cahuez> yes..
[11:07] <cahuez> go to system config..
[11:08] <noaXess> cahuez: and then?
[11:09] <cahuez> check for system admin and click at sound system please..
[11:09] <noaXess> jep
[11:09] <cahuez> at the bottom, there is a button for test sound..
[11:09] <noaXess> jep and if i press it, it hangs
[11:13] <cahuez> mm, then click at the hw tab and check for what is the sound device, by default, autodetect...
[11:15] <kreib> about writing, not programming, just plain text. Things is you want to have it possible to convert your writing to different formats like tex, html etc. So the best thing is probably t just write in plain text in vim and use xml tags so a parser later can recognize different elements like tables etc. But you dont want to invent a xml standard for this, so where can I find such a standard with supprted parsers?
[11:17] <SlimeyPete> kreib: I think that's what docbook is?
[11:18] <kreib> I see, I'll check that out. thx
[11:35] <jeremy_> any1 here running 64bit? i need help with flash
[11:36] <jeremy_> anyone here?
[11:37] <Jucato> !flash64
[11:38] <jeremy_> cheers
[11:40] <Ornedan> My sound stops working after hibernation. This didn't happen in 7.10 and does happen in 8.04. Known issue? Or if not, where should I start looking for the cause?
[11:41] <codeRat> \quit
[11:44] <Amarilis> hi guys
[11:44] <rick_> hi
[11:45] <Amarilis> my problem: i booted the last version of ubuntu/kubuntu from the live cd (normal mode), but when it's time to load gnome/kde what i see are only stripes
[11:46] <Amarilis> i rebooted and i selected safe mode. this time i can see the desktop
[11:48] <Amarilis> i have gigabyte graphic card nvidia 6600GT. do you think that this graphic card is the problem or is the X server ?
[11:49] <Amarilis> i've met this problem from the 7.x version of ubuntu/kubuntu
[11:50] <Amarilis> i even tried last version on a hp laptop and i encountered the same problem
[11:50] <Amarilis> can anyone tell me why this problem occured ?
[11:54] <XceII> are the gutsy updates shut down?
[11:57] <ubunturos> Kubuntu 8.04 has the wubi feature, but is anyone using it?
[11:58] <tete> ubunttu: How i am can download konversation cz
[12:00] <emilsedgh> ubunturos:why not?
[12:01] <ubunturos> emilsedgh: may be because, it becomes a window app, than an OS?
[12:01] <emilsedgh> ubunturos: people are using it.
[12:01] <emilsedgh> today for example on slashdot i read someone used it and was so happy
[12:04] <ubunturos> Amarilis: btw, which graphics card / motherboard?
[12:05] <Amarilis> ubunturos: i have gigabyte graphic card nvidia 6600GT
[12:06] <Amarilis> and a samsung syncmaster 959nf
[12:07] <ubunturos> Amarilis: hmm, looks like, the graphics driver module for that card was not loaded; but I'm not so sure
[12:07] <ActionParsni1> Amarilis: can we have a pastebin of your xorg.conf please
[12:07] <Amarilis> ubunturos: do you think that a kubuntu dvd will resolve the problem
[12:08] <_eMaX_> hi all
[12:08] <_eMaX_> anyone here uses Xephyr?
[12:08] <Amarilis> yes i'll paste the xorg.conf
[12:08] <ActionParsni1> Amarilis: ty
[12:08] <ubunturos> Amarilis: I'm not sure, if it will. Use Pastebin to paste your xorg.conf, ActionParsni1 might be able to answer your query
[12:09] <Amarilis> ok ubunturos
[12:10] <ubunturos> Amarilis: also, in meantime, you could look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12374