[02:26] <user|88> Does kubuntu 20.04.3 use plasma 5.2 or above
[02:27] <user|88> What plasma version does kubuntu 20.04.3 use
[03:03] <guiverc> user|88, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu  Plasma 5.18 LTS (built on the LTS Qt 5.12.8)
[03:14] <tomreyn> you almost did it within the users' attention span!
[03:14] <tomreyn> thanks for sharing with us, though :)
[03:42] <guiverc> :) tomreyn
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:46] <Eduardo> Hi, I have problems with my audio settings. Yesterday tried to connect the speakers of an external screen and installed (I think) sudo apt-get install pavucontrol, and everything was fine until I started a zoom video conference and it didn't recognized my mic, I tried to uninstall the previous command but now the system doesn't show me any audio
[16:46] <Eduardo> settings and I can't hear or speak. Can you help me, please?
[17:04] <diogenes_> Eduardo: pavucontrol is just an application to control the audio inputs, outputs, profiles and it doesn't affect your sound system (unless you chose some wrong settings) in other words, your sound should work with or without it, if you wanna test whether it's a configuration issue then the best way to do this is to create a new user account and try the sound there.
[17:09] <Eduardo> Ok I'll try in that way. Thanks Nicolas!
[17:44] <gnoob> Hello, I am attempting to install Kubuntu but it's not seeing my NVME SSD drive during the install.  Device view and $ lsblk  both show it.  what I see online mostly talks about setting to AHCI.  As far as I can tell my BIOS does not allow me to change this and Windows seems to have the AHCI drivers installed OK for the device.
[17:57] <diogenes_> gnoob: maybe you need a newer kernel.
[17:58] <gnoob> diogenes_: from the live cd "5.11.0-16-generic"
[17:58] <diogenes_> gnoob: try then the ubiquity installer.
[18:02] <gnoob> diogenes_: Can you help me understand a bit more what to do?  I booted the kubuntu USB 21.04.  What would I do differently?
[18:03] <diogenes_> Sudo apt install ubiquity
[18:04] <matulatu> sudo apt install sense of humor
[18:04] <matulatu> installation failed!
[18:04] <gnoob> ubiquity is already the newest version (21.04.19).
[18:05] <diogenes_> Wait kubuntu uses calamares or ubiquity?
[18:05] <diogenes_> I can't remember
[18:07] <gnoob> wiki seems to indicate that ubuntu and derivatives use Ubiquity
[18:07] <diogenes_> Ubuntu yes but not sure about kubuntu, try then sudo apt install calamares
[18:14] <gnoob> just run  sudo calamares now?
[18:21] <diogenes_> gnoob: that is not the command i gave.
[18:23] <gnoob> diogenes_: sorry, yes, I did first run  the sudo apt install.  now it says it's at version 3.2.37.
[18:25] <mparillo> I have heard that some kernels do better with your 'BIOS' set to Disks on AHCI
[18:28] <gnoob> mparillo: my laptop bios does not seem to have a setting to change that.
[18:33] <gnoob> fdisk -l see it.  and I was able to mount one of the partitions.
[18:55] <diogenes_> gnoob: is secure boot disabled?
[19:07] <gnoob> diogenes_: yes it is


[06:37] <Scary_Guy> https://github.com/dimitri/el-get/issues/474 comedic gold
[16:50] <doubledev> Afternoon everyone
[16:50] <doubledev> anyone know a place that is hiring?
[16:53] <jrwren> Pillar in Ann Arbor.
[16:53] <jrwren> Ithaka in Ann Arbor.
[16:53] <doubledev> jrwren: that is too far of a drive for me. I am in Macomb Township.
[16:53] <jrwren> move?
[16:53] <doubledev> thanks for that suggestion though
[16:54] <doubledev> HAHA!  just bought this house and my wife's job is up this way too. That would be too far of a drive for what she is getting paid.
[16:54] <doubledev> Can I work remotely at Pillar?
[16:55] <jrwren> I have no idea.
[16:55] <jrwren> I don't follow Macomb Co. jobs because I'm not a fan of the suburban wasteland that it is. :p
[16:55] <doubledev> haha
[16:56] <jrwren> autobooks is hiring.
[16:57] <jrwren> but they are looking for Senior level folks with some .net/sql experience.
[16:58] <jrwren> if you are willing to comute to detroit, there is tons of cool jobs.
[16:58] <jrwren> Optomi is hiring.
[17:07] <doubledev> jrwren: thank you.  I will look into them
[17:11] <cmaloney> Ford is always hiring
[17:12] <jrwren> helluva commute though.
[17:12] <cmaloney> yeah
[17:13] <cmaloney> And I have opinions on Ford's hiring process
[17:13] <cmaloney> not complementary ones
[17:14] <doubledev> cmaloney: what was your experience?
[17:15] <cmaloney> Well, for one position I applied for they put me through a timed reading comprehension test
[17:15] <cmaloney> and a timed percentages test
[17:15] <cmaloney> and a timed culture fit test
[17:16] <cmaloney> the best I could come up with is they wanted someone who was a complete toady who did fractions like a machine and had a photographic memory
[17:16] <doubledev> are they looking for speedy gonzales for everything
[17:16] <doubledev> haha
[17:17] <doubledev> nice
[17:17] <cmaloney> I hope they can build their little friend someday
[17:17] <cmaloney> The second was with a contracting house that demanded I send thiem my drivers license (I refused) and then reformatted / rewrote my resume for the job even though it's CC-BY-NC_ND licensed
[17:18] <cmaloney> so they literally stripped out my license and copyrighted my resume
[17:18] <cmaloney> we had ... words.
[17:18] <cmaloney> But the girst was I felt I couldn't trust them to have my best interests at heart
[17:19] <cmaloney> because they ignored my desires
[17:19] <jrwren> the drivers license bit is illegal as an EOE, you could report them.
[17:19] <cmaloney> They claimed it was a Ford requirement, but in the end they didn't need it
[17:19] <cmaloney> that was before the resume re-write
[17:20] <cmaloney> What's awesome is my formative years as a computer professional were with Ford
[17:20] <cmaloney> as a contractor
[17:21] <cmaloney> So being told (in the first case) that I wasn't even worthy of an interview really stung
[17:22] <cmaloney> Nevermind that they got 8+ years out of me in one way or another
[17:22] <cmaloney> 13+ years in the auto industry. Just say no, kids.
[17:23] <jrwren> I did.
[17:27] <cmaloney> heh
[17:28] <cmaloney> I mean, I learned Perl and did some interesting web-based project
[17:28] <cmaloney> but when they didn't know what to do with you they didn't promote an environment of growth
[17:28] <cmaloney> and it was easy to get lost in there
[17:33] <doubledev> So don't go into automotive industry, got it!  ;)
[17:34] <cmaloney> If you value your soul you'll find something else
[17:35] <rick_h_> doubledev: what kind of work are you looking for?
[17:35] <doubledev> haha, i think i sold that a while back ago, but will steer clear of it.  :)
[17:36] <doubledev> rick_h_: Well, I would like to stick with developing, but I wouldn't be opposed to moving into a support management role or quality team type of work.
[17:37] <doubledev> or even a deployment team role
[17:37] <jrwren> devops is all of those.
[17:42] <doubledev> I don't think devops would be good, just briefly looking at job descriptions and requirements.
[17:43] <jrwren> i must be only person outside of google who actually likes devops
[17:43] <doubledev> i am not saying I wouldn't like it, but don't think i am qualified for it
[17:47] <brousch> I like devops.


[09:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:31] <asad2005_> Should i upgrade to 15.04 now or at least wait till the beta is out?
[14:31] <asad2005_> Currently on 14.10
[14:31] <k1l_> if you need to ask that dont think of running alpha/beta :)
[20:36] <redlama42> Hey guys. Under 'additional drivers' I now have to option to turn on "Processor microcode firmware for intel cpus" What does this do?
[20:36] <redlama42> It's like a giant red button that I want to push.
[20:36] <TheNumb> redlama42: It shouldn't hurt.
[20:37] <TheNumb> redlama42: it's used to fix bugs in the cpu.
[20:37] <redlama42> TheNumb: So if I see it it's definitely compatible.
[20:38] <redlama42> ?
[20:38] <TheNumb> redlama42: should be.
[20:38] <redlama42> Cool. Thanks.
[20:39] <TheNumb> redlama42: the package has always been there you know :)
[20:39] <redlama42> It just showed up when I moved to vivd. That's why I was worried that it might be a bug.
[20:41] <redlama42> TheNumb: Tbh it still looks kind of sketchy. Here is a picture http://imgur.com/ZDVWwku
[20:41] <TheNumb> redlama42: true.
[20:42] <TheNumb> dat numix tho
[20:42] <TheNumb> redlama42: usually the microcode is also shipped with firmware updates.
[20:43] <TheNumb> So you might not need it.
[20:43] <redlama42> Flat themes for life!
[20:43] <TheNumb> Yeah, unity's theme could use a refresh.
[20:43] <redlama42> TheNumb: Yea, I might just leave it alone for now.
[20:44] <redlama42> Unity8 looks good. Plus, It looks almost as customizable as awesomewm.
[20:44] <TheNumb> but my proprietary drivers :(
[20:46] <redlama42> TheNumb: Wait, is that why I cant log into Unity-Mir?
[20:47] <TheNumb> probably
[20:47] <TheNumb> not sure
[20:47] <TheNumb> I haven't tested the mir session yet.
[20:48] <redlama42> TheNumb: It just gives freezes every time. I kinda want to try switching to the open source drivers and checking.
[20:48] <redlama42> check*
[20:51] <elfy> redlama42: well I noticed that the other day after an update or something - had ignored it - just installed and rebooted with it
[20:52] <redlama42> elfy: Maybe they added it to more computers.
[20:52] <redlama42> Also, anyone having Spotify crash every few seconds?
[20:56] <redlama42> Lol. I ran it in the terminal to get some idea and now it runs fine.
[20:58] <elfy> never used spotify tbh
[21:00] <redlama42> It's great for finding music and listening to music. The ads are hell though.
[21:01] <redlama42> I'm looking for an alternative,
[21:06] <elfy> :)
[21:06] <elfy> I just have thousands of tracks locally :D


[23:12] <Eickmeyer> krytarik, OvenWerks, eylul: Just looking for an opinion. We have a person on the facebook page that posts every day at the same time of day posts which are links to linux-related articles but usually aren't Studio related in scope or otherwise.
[23:12] <Eickmeyer> All of the articles appear to be to his own website, which means he's simply just driving traffic, and the fact that it is the same time of day means its automated. In my book, that's spam. Should I remove him?
[23:14] <krytarik> I'd agree, yes.
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: Thanks. Was mostly looking for your opinion. :)
[23:20] <eylul> +1
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> Okay, removed and blocked, and posted a friendly warning.
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> I had muted him before for 7 days, but after the mute was over he persisted.
[23:38] <krytarik> Oh, it would appear the Google+ situation never got resolved yet?


[08:05] <mbee> hello all :)
[08:05] <bimberi> hi mbee
[08:06] <mbee> h
[08:06] <mbee> hi bimberi
[08:06] <mbee> I just tried the live CD (6.0.6 beta 2)
[08:06] <mbee> looks really nice
[08:06] <bimberi> great :)
[08:06] <mbee> can you tell me were I can find gcompris in the menu?
[08:07] <bimberi> Applications -> Education (iirc - not on edubuntu atm)
[08:07] <mbee> atm?
[08:07] <bimberi> at the moment :)
[08:07] <mbee> oh
[08:07] <mbee> how come?
[08:08] <bimberi> currently using plain ol' ubuntu :)
[08:09] <mbee> I see. What I don't understand is why I can't start gcompris without opening a terminal console.
[08:10] <mbee> I thought that was the whole idea behind edubuntu.
[08:10] <bimberi> mbee: you should, is it not in that menu?
[08:11] <mbee> no, only the K-stuff and Tux Paint
[08:11] <mbee> under "Games" there is "GCompris Administration"
[08:11] <mbee> but that does not help either
[08:11] <bimberi> hm, perhaps i recall wrongly, perhaps it's one of the other menus
[08:12] <mbee> I searched everywhere ...
[08:12] <bimberi> ah, kk, unfortunately i'm not near my edubuntu install :/
[08:13] <mbee> thanks anyway :)
[08:15] <mbee> do you know were I can submit a bug report?
[08:15] <mbee> jira, bugzilla, or something?
[08:16] <bimberi> just booted my install - how about Applications -> Games -> Educational suite gcompris
[08:16] <bimberi> ?
[08:16] <mbee> Oh, I feel so stupid.
[08:16] <mbee> thank you
[08:17] <bimberi> np, i would have looked for GCompris too :)
[08:17] <bimberi> !bug
[08:17] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[08:17] <mbee> although "Games" does not sound quite right.
[08:17] <mbee> ah, great
[08:17] <bimberi> ^^^^ (for future reference) :)
[08:18] <bimberi> yes i reckon an "Educational suite" would be better off under Education too
[08:19] <mbee> :)
[08:28] <mbee> ubotu: I consider gcompris being under Games being a bug. But I don't know how I can add a report. Must I have an account?
[08:28] <ubotu> mbee: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[08:28] <bimberi> !ubotu
[08:28] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[08:28] <mbee> oh
[08:29] <bimberi> mbee: but yes, you'll need to create a launchpad account to report a bug
[08:29] <mbee> oh, too bad I must go to work now ;) have fun!
[08:29] <bimberi> mbee: kk, have a good day!
[08:30] <mbee> u2!
[08:57] <cbx33> mornin all
[09:06] <juliux> morning
[09:07] <cbx33> morning juliux
[09:07] <cbx33> ping highvoltage
[09:17] <highvoltage> ping cbx33
[09:17] <highvoltage> ERM.. pong
[11:50] <cbx33> quiet here today
[11:50] <lucasvo> how can I give a feedback to a spec?
[11:50] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:50] <cbx33> can you comment?
[11:51] <lucasvo> no
[11:51] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/embedded-ubuntu/
[11:51] <lucasvo> I would like to comment this
[11:51] <cbx33> mmm
[11:51] <cbx33> don;'t think you can
[11:52] <cbx33> do they have a wiki you could comment on?
[11:52] <cbx33> oh, btw, if you have a second : https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolSupport
[11:53] <lucasvo> good!
[11:57] <lucasvo> mdz: ping
[11:58] <lucasvo> cbx33: what should I say about that?
[11:58] <lucasvo> I wouldn't change anything
[11:58] <lucasvo> it's quite good
[12:01] <cbx33> hmmm
[12:01] <cbx33> not sure
[12:04] <cbx33> thing it sounds ok?
[12:06] <lucasvo> yes
[12:07] <cbx33> g=ood good
[12:08] <cbx33> what baout https://wiki.edubuntu.org/BETTShow2007
[12:12] <lucasvo> yeah, it's good
[12:12] <lucasvo> are you going to bett?
[12:13] <cbx33> i went last year
[12:13] <cbx33> hoping to take edubuntu there next year :D
[12:13] <cbx33> by last year I mean earlier this year
[12:15] <cbx33> lucasvo: what about you?>
[12:16] <lucasvo> I would go there
[12:16] <lucasvo> but I don't earn anything...
[12:17] <cbx33> and sooo?
[12:17] <cbx33> you can get in for free
[12:18] <lucasvo> yes, but I need a train/flight ticket, accomodation...
[12:18] <cbx33> plus if you wanted to be on the edubuntu team you'd get in for free anyway........we'd get unlimited tickets
[12:18] <cbx33> aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:18] <cbx33> lucasvo: where do you live
[12:18] <lucasvo> CH/Zurich
[12:20] <cbx33> but don't think I'll be able to
[12:20] <cbx33> unless someone were to fund it:p
[12:20] <lucasvo> yeah
[12:24] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[12:24] <ubotu> ogra <n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 2d 2h 39m 14s ago, saying: 'ciao all'.
[12:25] <cbx33> is ogra alright? - he's been gone a long time?
[12:25] <spacey> looks like he had a weekend :)
[12:31] <juliux> ogra was at the weekend in wiesbaden
[12:32] <cbx33> guim: <ubotu> ogra <n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 2d 2h 39m 14s ago, saying: 'ciao all'.<cbx33> is ogra alright? - he's been gone a long time?
[12:34] <cbx33> how are you ogra :p
[12:35] <ogra> fine apart from havong a horrible mail backlog of 800 mails
[12:40] <cbx33> yikes
[12:40] <cbx33> ping: JaneW
[12:41] <JaneW> pong
[12:41] <cbx33> pm
[12:41] <cbx33> brb
[12:55] <guim> ?
[01:07] <spacey> it seems coffee doesn't help today
[01:19] <highvoltage> we need supercoffe
[01:19] <highvoltage> e
[01:22] <spacey> thats madness
[01:26] <nattfodd> hi
[01:26] <nattfodd> I'm interested in the student control panel project for the summer of code
[01:26] <nattfodd> is this the right channel if I have some questions about it?
[01:35] <lucasvo> nattfodd: yes
[01:36] <nattfodd> nice
[01:36] <nattfodd> pygi told me about it yesterday
[01:36] <nattfodd> and I was wondering about how ltsp and vnc would be used in it
[01:37] <nattfodd> obviously, showing up the thing on the teacher's computer can be done using vnc
[01:37] <nattfodd> but where is ltsp used?
[01:38] <nattfodd> is it the "distro" the students computers are running?
[01:38] <nattfodd> and so it should ask applications from the SCP server on the teacher's machine?
[01:38] <nattfodd> (just trying to make sure I understood properly the thing)
[01:44] <highvoltage> nattfodd: yep, this is the right channel. i suggest you hang around a bit
[01:44] <highvoltage> nattfodd: ogra works on that, he should be popping in a bit later
[01:44] <nattfodd> ok
[01:45] <nattfodd> the thing is just that I must submit the application before 15 UTC
[01:45] <nattfodd> which is in three hours :/
[01:46] <cbx33> nattfodd: oooooooooh
[01:47] <cbx33> tight deadline
[01:47] <nattfodd> yeah
[01:47] <nattfodd> but I guess it's still ok if I don't have feedback before applying
[01:50] <spacey> ogra is developing that yes
[01:51] <spacey> it connects back to the client with vnc
[01:51] <spacey> afaik
[01:51] <spacey> nattfodd: SCP server?
[02:01] <nattfodd> spacey: Student Control Panel server
[02:09] <spacey> nattfodd: i;m not sure it has a "server"
[02:10] <nattfodd> spacey: that's what is told on the TeachersPet wiki page
[02:10] <nattfodd> I guess that by server, they mean "master application"
[02:20] <spacey> ok:)
[02:22] <alexandros_se> Hello highvoltage
[02:27] <Petaris> ogra: ping
[02:30] <highvoltage> hello alexandros_se
[02:30] <highvoltage> i'm in a rl meeting, so won't be very responsive
[02:32] <alexandros_se> highvoltage, no problems :)
[02:32] <Petaris> I am having an issue where upon first logon in to xfce the background is all screwed up, logging off and back on fixes it
[02:32] <Petaris> Is there anyway to dissable apci on the server?
[02:33] <Petaris> with a kernel option or something?
[02:33] <Amaranth> noacpi, i think
[02:33] <Amaranth> add that to the grub boot line
[02:33] <Amaranth> the end of that line
[02:34] <cbx33> Amaranth: yeh, or acpi=no
[02:34] <cbx33> can't remember which worked last time
[02:34] <cbx33> think it was noacpi
[02:34] <Petaris> at the end of the kernel line right?
[02:34] <cbx33> yes
[02:35] <Amaranth> whatever it's called, it's been awhile since i used grub
[02:35] <Amaranth> stupid yaboot
[02:35] <cbx33> heh
[02:35] <Petaris> is it acpi or apci
[02:36] <Amaranth> acpi, afaik
[02:36] <Amaranth> yep, acpi
[02:36] <Petaris> ok,
[02:36] <Petaris> let me reboot
[02:36] <Amaranth> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[02:39] <alexandros_se> highvoltage, if you see Helen King online tell her that I would like to speak with her :) I havent seen her online yet...
[02:54] <highvoltage> alexandros_se: ok
[03:30] <Petaris> Can anyone give me a hand debugging a smbfs mount issue?
[03:31] <cbx33> ogra: ping
[03:36] <Petaris> When I try to mount an smb share I get this:
[03:37] <Petaris> 6584: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[03:37] <Petaris> SMB connection failed
[03:37] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:38] <cbx33> tried doing an smbclient -L
[03:38] <cbx33> on the host?
[03:38] <Petaris> its a windows host
[03:39] <cbx33> have you tried doing smbclient -L <winhost>
[03:39] <Petaris> hrm
[03:40] <Petaris> it asks for a password
[03:40] <Petaris> but not a username
[03:40] <Petaris> what password does it want?
[03:40] <cbx33> i think thers a -U option
[03:40] <cbx33> username and password for the windows machine
[03:41] <Petaris> session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[03:41] <Petaris> hrm
[03:41] <Petaris> I wonder
[03:42] <cbx33> works fine here
[03:42] <Petaris> I don't need to add this box to the domain do I?
[03:42] <cbx33> nope
[03:42] <Petaris> hrm
[03:42] <cbx33> not with the smbclient command
[03:42] <cbx33> not got AD authentication working yet then?
[03:42] <Petaris> its not a priority on this lab
[03:42] <cbx33> heh
[03:42] <cbx33> it is on mine :p
[03:42] <cbx33> hopefully going to get aht working soon.
[03:43] <Petaris> it is on the new lab going in the high school
[03:43] <cbx33> I hope you're documenting all the work you're doing :D
[03:43] <cbx33> Petaris: whens that going in by?
[03:43] <cbx33> I hope to have an AD howto soon
[03:43] <Petaris> this summer
[03:43] <cbx33> when i get a spare second to myself
[03:46] <Petaris> cbx33: I rarely have time to do much documentation on anything I'm working on :(
[03:47] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[03:49] <Petaris> hrm
[03:49] <Petaris> I can't do a net ads join
[03:50] <Petaris> hrm
[03:50] <Petaris> I have no winbind either
[04:47] <ryan_rousseau> Hello everybody!  Are there any SoC mentors here that would be interested in mentoring a project aiming to replace KWordQuiz with a full featured quizzing system with a GTK interface? =)
[04:47] <cbx333> hi all, I'm now in YouthLUG's first session with the LTSP server
[04:47] <cbx333> 5 clients
[04:48] <lucasvo> cpp;
[04:48] <lucasvo> cool
[04:48] <lucasvo> :)
[04:48] <lucasvo> cbx333: btw, do you plan to translate the schooladvocacy pamphlet?
[04:48] <cbx333> yes
[04:48] <cbx333> we do
[04:54] <highvoltage> cbx3333333333333333: nice
[04:55] <cbx333> yeh
[04:55] <cbx333> heheh
[04:56] <lucasvo> what's the average age of youthLUG?
[04:56] <cbx333> 14-15
[04:57] <lucasvo> oh, cool
[05:00] <highvoltage> bye lucasvo and cbx333!
[06:05] <cbx333> What are your first experiences of Edubuntu?
[06:05] <cbx333> When I got asked this I thought mmm I dont know, well after a bit of pondering I thought hang on there has been no crashes, no errors and I was cracking myself up when I was told it was running over a network on ltsp from a Dell D600 laptop and here it is with five of us doing everything we want with no lag and a wonderful graphical interface. Wow! and all the menus and selections are clear and explained!
[06:09] <cbx333> hi Petaris_lab
[06:09] <Petaris_lab> cbx33: hi
[06:09] <Petaris_lab> I can't seem to setup printing
[06:10] <cbx333> oh?
[06:10] <Petaris_lab> the cups web ui is asking for a username and password but nothing is working
[06:10] <cbx333> ah
[06:10] <Petaris_lab> I've tried the root pass
[06:10] <cbx333> are the machines on an activedirectory?
[06:10] <Petaris_lab> I've tried my first user
[06:10] <cbx333> and on a domain?
[06:10] <Petaris_lab> ?
[06:10] <Petaris_lab> no
[06:11] <Petaris_lab> this is just on the ltsp
[06:11] <Petaris_lab> and a laserjet 5n
[06:11] <Petaris_lab> with a jetdirect card
[06:11] <cbx333> what is the printer connected to?
[06:12] <Petaris_lab> the network
[06:12] <cbx33> hmm
[06:12] <Petaris_lab> what is the official way to setup printers?
[06:12] <Petaris_lab> throught the webui right?
[06:14] <Petaris_lab> ogra: ping
[06:14] <Petaris_lab> big problem with logoff of xfce
[06:15] <Petaris_lab> if you hit the "quit" button in xfce it gives the user options of logoff,restart,shutdown,hibernate
[06:15] <Petaris_lab> if a user (any user) hits shutdown/restart it downs the server
[06:15] <Petaris_lab> this is bad(tm)
[06:16] <Petaris_lab> I found this out because a normal user did this today
[06:16] <Petaris_lab> :(
[06:16] <Petaris_lab> cbx33: any thoughts on the printer setup?
[06:19] <Petaris_lab> ahh
[06:19] <Petaris_lab> its been disabled
[06:25] <Petaris_lab> ok
[06:25] <Petaris_lab> I think I have printing fixed
[06:26] <cbx33> nice
[06:26] <Petaris_lab> but that shutdown thing is really bad
[06:26] <Petaris_lab> brb
[06:32] <mdz> lucasvo: pong
[06:36] <lucasvo> mdz: solved it
[06:36] <lucasvo> mdz: I had problems with the wikipage about Embedded ubuntu
[06:36] <Petaris_lab> baCK
[06:36] <Petaris_lab> er, back
[07:03] <Petaris> Is there any way to modify what is shown on the xfce quit dialog?
[07:16] <LaserJock> cbx33: around?
[07:43] <cbx33> LaserJock: hi
[07:44] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you have a chance to work on ESA over the weekend?
[07:44] <cbx33> a little, did you see what I've done?
[07:45] <cbx33> I just ported across the apps
[07:45] <cbx33> I'll proably do a lot tomorrow
[07:45] <cbx33> got a prety funny day, work wise
[07:45] <cbx33> shoud get a lot of time
[07:46] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:35] <Burgwork> ogra, you around?
[08:47] <cbx33> boo
[08:48] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[08:48] <cbx33> sorry about dissapearing on ya
[08:48] <cbx33> did that make sense what I said
[08:48] <cbx33> I have a bit of time now
[08:48] <cbx33> how about you?
[08:49] <cbx33> ping Bluekuja
[08:49] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:49] <Bluekuja> oi pete
[08:49] <LaserJock> cbx33: sorta busy but I can float in and out
[08:49] <cbx33> ok np
[08:49] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja
[08:49] <Bluekuja> hi man
[08:49] <Bluekuja> news for the doc'
[08:49] <Bluekuja> ?
[08:50] <cbx33> in #edubuntu-doc
[08:52] <cbx33> ok
[08:53] <cbx33> we'll look into the common questions section
[08:54] <cbx33> Bluekuja, any more ideas for common questions?
[08:54] <Bluekuja> mmm... let me check existing ones
[08:54] <LaserJock> the other thing is that it would be good to somewhat categorize the edu apps by their purpose
[08:54] <cbx33> We need to modify the Localication part
[08:54] <cbx33> seeing as it refers to the doc as a website
[08:54] <cbx33> and it will be a printed leaflet
[08:55] <LaserJock> yeah, I wasn't sure what to do with that
[08:55] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes, totally
[08:55] <cbx33> Well, Bluekuja, if our intention is to translate,
[08:55] <Bluekuja> cbx33: another common question that we can add its if this software is free and related things
[08:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: and is there a way to put some sort of age range on the apps? or are they more or less all the same
[08:55] <Bluekuja> but saying that is open source answer to this
[08:55] <cbx33> should we just produce the doc in all the languages and mention that it's available in other lanuages?
[08:55] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: that is pretty well handled in the beginning
[08:56] <cbx33> LaserJock, I thought of the age range thing too
[08:56] <Bluekuja> yeah, jordan exactly
[08:56] <Bluekuja> well another common question
[08:56] <LaserJock> what about LTSP related questions, like "what does it do for me?"
[08:56] <Bluekuja> is can i read this doc in my language
[08:56] <cbx33> LaserJock, true
[08:56] <Bluekuja> we have to provide some translations
[08:56] <cbx33> Bluekuja, ^^^^
[08:56] <Bluekuja> ^^ :)
[08:56] <LaserJock> what about "How is Edubuntu related to Ubuntu?"
[08:57] <Bluekuja> yeah nice
[08:57] <cbx33> once we are happy with the text and freeze it you could start translating if you like
[08:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, nice question
[08:57] <cbx33> I'll add it
[08:57] <Bluekuja> ok ill put it on italian mailing list so i can get some help
[08:58] <LaserJock> what about "Is more software available for installing on Edubuntu?", put in Universe and the number of packages
[08:58] <cbx33> so what's the decision about the locoteams section
[08:58] <Bluekuja> pete leave that section
[08:58] <Bluekuja> is usefull
[08:58] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes, I tried to cover that at some point by mentioning how many packages were in universe
[08:58] <LaserJock> I think it might be better to either link to a wiki page or condense the loco info
[08:59] <LaserJock> it isn't really that much and it takes a lot of space
[08:59] <cbx33> I agree LaserJock
[08:59] <Bluekuja> well it points to basicall infos
[08:59] <cbx33> It's needed
[08:59] <cbx33> but maybe not presented in that way
[08:59] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: the problem is that it says "there isn't that much yet" which isn't really a positive thing
[08:59] <cbx33> could have a short section saying, already there are locoteams for ......... you can help by ........
[09:00] <cbx33> what do you think
[09:00] <LaserJock> cbx33: sounds good, encourage people to get involved
[09:00] <cbx33> Bluekuja, ?
[09:01] <crimsun> I would couch them in the context of "specialised" assistance
[09:01] <crimsun> that way there's no stigma around there being so few
[09:01] <cbx33> yes
[09:01] <crimsun> instead, make it a positive thing
[09:02] <LaserJock> crimsun: yeah, that's what I'm trying to shoot for.
[09:02] <LaserJock> I think it is also worth pointing out the Ubuntu loco teams.
[09:03] <cbx33> hmmm
[09:03] <LaserJock> for problems not specific to Edubuntu there is a lot of support out there
[09:03] <cbx33> there are more of those?
[09:03] <cbx33> yes
[09:03] <cbx33> I suppose we should expand a little more on that
[09:03] <cbx33> as edubuntu is really just a customisation of ubuntu
[09:04] <LaserJock> cbx33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[09:05] <cbx33> WOW
[09:05] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I mean
[09:06] <LaserJock> and Edubuntu users have access to those loco teams too, they just are specialized to Edubuntu
[09:06] <cbx33> yes
[09:07] <LaserJock> s/are/aren't/
[09:07] <cbx33> we could list all of them, in a line, just to show off :p
[09:09] <cbx33> Bluekuja, you around?
[09:10] <cbx33> LaserJock, what about categorising them in sections ike
[09:10] <cbx33> language, painting, maths
[09:10] <cbx33> science
[09:11] <LaserJock> cbx33: but that is a dynamic list, I think a link to the wiki page and saying something like "there are over X localization teams for Ubuntu and Y team specific to Edubuntu"
[09:11] <LaserJock> cbx33: sounds good
[09:11] <cbx33> I'll get started on that
[09:19] <cbx33> LaserJock, ok they are now all rearranged
[09:25] <LaserJock> cbx33: looking good
[09:25] <LaserJock> cbx33: can I tweak them? :-)
[09:29] <cbx33> sure
[09:29] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja
[09:29] <cbx33> what happened ?
[09:29] <Bluekuja> sorry pete
[09:29] <Bluekuja> i had some problems
[09:29] <Bluekuja> with server connection
[09:29] <Bluekuja> news?
[09:29] <cbx33> um, take a look
[09:30] <cbx33> LaserJock, is just editing a few changes I made
[09:30] <cbx33> I just rearranged some of the apps into subject order
[09:30] <Bluekuja> ok great
[09:32] <cbx33> we talked a little more about the locoteams section
[09:33] <cbx33> saying that we can incorporate the ubuntu locoteams too
[09:33] <cbx33> cbx33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[09:33] <cbx33> LaserJock, suggested somethign like but that is a dynamic list, I think a link to the wiki page and saying something like "there are over X localization teams for Ubuntu and Y team specific to Edubuntu
[09:34] <cbx33> did you want to have a go at that section?
[09:34] <Bluekuja> yep
[09:35] <cbx33> LaserJock, did you say you have done some docbook too?
[09:38] <cbx33> Bluekuja, any mail news?
[09:38] <cbx33> :p
[09:39] <Bluekuja> nope :(
[09:39] <Bluekuja> no news from matt
[09:39] <cbx33> :'(
[09:39] <LaserJock> just a sec
[09:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, reload
[09:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: I can help with the docbook
[09:46] <LaserJock> we are still working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/LaserJock right?
[09:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes
[09:47] <cbx33> LaserJock, all i'd need is a little template of where to start
[09:47] <cbx33> after that I can do the rest
[09:49] <cbx33> LaserJock, looks a lot better
[09:49] <LaserJock> cbx33: notice that I added, Xaos to the "Drawing" section. It doesn't have much of a description
[09:50] <cbx33> yes
[09:50] <cbx33> I noticed
[09:51] <LaserJock> I think that perhaps we should try to reword the app descriptions a bit. Some of them are long and you don't need to have the name of the app twice when bulleted
[09:52] <cbx33> true
[09:52] <cbx33> LaserJock, how long would it take to give me a really simple small docbook tmeplate?
[09:54] <LaserJock> heh, if wiki.u.c ran moin 1.5 we could docbook straigh from the wiki
[09:54] <cbx33> oooh really?
[09:54] <cbx33> that'd be nice
[09:54] <cbx33> LaserJock, what about setting up a wiki ourselves
[09:54] <cbx33> or do you think they'll upgrade soon?
[09:55] <LaserJock> It wouldn't be worth setting up our own. I was looking for one I could "borrow" for a sec
[09:56] <cbx33> hehe
[09:56] <cbx33> i was thinking of setting a moin wiki up
[09:56] <LaserJock> I have a personal wiki on my iMac but it is 1.3 :(
[09:56] <cbx33> i like it better than media wiki
[09:57] <LaserJock> actually, maybe I could use moin's sandbox
[09:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, is it advantageous to have it "online"
[09:57] <cbx33> or could I run it on a desktop wiki?
[09:58] <cbx33> I mean would having it on a server help in our collaboration?
[10:01] <cbx33> what do you think?
[10:02] <Petaris> later all
[10:03] <LaserJock> cbx33: no, doing it on the Ubuntu wiki is good. I got some docbook now
[10:03] <cbx33> ok nice
[10:03] <cbx33> chuck it in something like EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/Template
[10:15] <cbx33> Bluekuja, you around?
[10:16] <Bluekuja> yep a little less busy but ok
[10:16] <Bluekuja> tell me
[10:16] <cbx33> what ya been busy on?
[10:16] <cbx33> more bugs?
[10:16] <Bluekuja> working on gnome stuff
[10:16] <Bluekuja> website
[10:16] <cbx33> ah, what ya working on?
[10:17] <cbx33> on gnome?
[10:17] <Bluekuja> the gnome website
[10:17] <cbx33> ahhh cool
[10:17] <Bluekuja> there will be a new re-designed website
[10:17] <cbx33> I was hoping highvoltage would be here
[10:17] <Bluekuja> i havent seen him today
[10:18] <cbx33> i saw him very early on
[10:18] <Bluekuja> oh
[10:18] <Bluekuja> news for the page?
[10:18] <cbx33> not really
[10:18] <cbx33> did u try the loco team sectoin
[10:19] <Bluekuja> you mean wiki page?
[10:19] <cbx33> yes
[10:19] <Bluekuja> official one /LocoTeams?
[10:20] <Bluekuja> or locoteams paragraph
[10:21] <Bluekuja> cbx33?
[10:21] <cbx33> paragraph
[10:21] <Bluekuja> ah yes
[10:22] <Bluekuja> i need to remake it
[10:22] <Bluekuja> more linear
[10:22] <Bluekuja> and simple
[10:24] <cbx33> yes
[10:24] <cbx33> and refer to the ubuntu locoteams too
[10:24] <Bluekuja> yep
[10:24] <cbx33> LaserJock, when do you think we should start docbook conversion? - once approved by ML?
[10:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: I'll have it in a sec ;-)
[10:34] <cbx33> np
[10:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: wget http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/esa.xml
[10:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: and yelp esa.xml
[10:54] <cbx33> LaserJock, i didn;t mean for you to do the whole bloody thing :p
[10:54] <LaserJock> well ...
[10:55] <cbx33> crapped out in fedora...yelp did nt like it
[10:55] <LaserJock> hmm, works on Dapper
[10:56] <cbx33> I'll try it on breezy later
[11:01] <LaserJock> cbx33: anyway, I did everything but the loco list because it is a pain to do it in docbook the way it is done on the wiki and I think we are going to work on it anyway
[11:01] <cbx33> yes
[11:02] <cbx33> seriously though LaserJock I was goign to do that tomrorow
[11:02] <cbx33> on the way to work
[11:02] <LaserJock> well, look at it and fix any problems ;-) The indentation is bad
[11:03] <cbx33> I will I'll try it on yelp on breezy
[11:04] <LaserJock> I'll see about getting it put in the doc team repo so  we can all have some fun :-)
[11:04] <cbx33> jsgotcango said as soon as it was in docbook format he'd give me svn rights to upload it
[11:04] <Bluekuja> pete, just talk with him
[11:05] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, that will actually take a while.
[11:05] <Bluekuja> he will be available tomorrow
[11:05] <cbx33> oh?
[11:05] <LaserJock> cbx33: currently svn access isn't controlled by the doc team so it can take some time
[11:06] <cbx33> ah i see
[11:08] <LaserJock> so it really depends on how busy elmo is
[11:09] <cbx33> ah...back to elmo again
[11:09] <cbx33> :p
[11:10] <cbx33> Bluekuja, and i are waiting for our emails to be fixed by elmo, he's super busy :p
[11:10] <Bluekuja> cbx33: heheeh
[11:10] <Bluekuja> cbx33:  elmo is really busy
[11:10] <LaserJock> elmo runs everything ;-)
[11:10] <Bluekuja> hehe yes
[11:11] <cbx33> everything??? :p
[11:11] <LaserJock> cbx33: pretty much, he also runs most of Debian too
[11:11] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:11] <cbx33> bloody ell
[11:12] <Bluekuja> cbx33: lol
[11:12] <LaserJock> he is the Debian ftp master
[11:12] <cbx33> i just wish I'd gotten into linux ealier
[11:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, so are you ok with me putting the docbookized version in the doc team repo?
[11:13] <cbx33> I so could have you know
[11:13] <cbx33> when i was like 13
[11:13] <cbx33> I'd be soooo damn good now:p
[11:13] <LaserJock> cbx33: same here
[11:13] <cbx33> but we gotta work with what we got
[11:13] <cbx33> and we're all doing good
[11:14] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, I'm going to put it in, last chance to stop me
[11:14] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:14] <cbx33> put it in where?
[11:14] <cbx33> the svn?
[11:14] <LaserJock> yes
[11:14] <cbx33> ya bugger :p
[11:14] <cbx33> hehe
[11:14] <cbx33> go ahead
[11:14] <cbx33> :D
[11:14] <cbx33> thumbs up from me
[11:14] <cbx33> Bluekuja, ?
[11:14] <Bluekuja> yes?
[11:15] <cbx33> you happy?
[11:15] <Bluekuja> with putting it in the repo?
[11:15] <cbx33> I cant wait for the artwork to be confirmed so we can start the frackin screenshots
[11:15] <cbx33> yes
[11:15] <Bluekuja> okie
[11:15] <Bluekuja> its ok for me
[11:16] <cbx33> seen the ltest edubuntu wallpaper lisa worked on?
[11:16] <cbx33> www.progbox.co.uk/33.jpg
[11:16] <Bluekuja> great
[11:16] <Bluekuja> i have to go pete
[11:16] <Bluekuja> see you tomorrow
[11:17] <Bluekuja> with news
[11:17] <Bluekuja> hehe
[11:17] <cbx33> ok
[11:17] <cbx33> nn Bluekuja
[11:17] <Bluekuja> cya jordan
[11:17] <Bluekuja> cya pete
[11:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: very nice
[11:19] <cbx33> :D
[11:23] <cbx33> brb
[11:43] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[11:47] <LaserJock> hi
[11:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: I commited it. If you grab the doc team repo it is under edubuntu/SchoolAdvocacy
[11:51] <LaserJock> cbx33: and if you run make esa in the edubuntu dir then you'll get an HTML version in build/edubuntu/school-advocacy


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[13:02] <coreycb> hello, can an archive admin please accept python-thriftpy from the New queue? I've added the py2 binary python-thriftpy package back since python-happybase still needs it (needed by panko). this will help unblock these packages for OpenStack.
[13:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-thriftpy [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.9+ds1-1ubuntu2]
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-thriftpy [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.9+ds1-1ubuntu2]
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-thriftpy [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.9+ds1-1ubuntu2]
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-thriftpy [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.9+ds1-1ubuntu2]
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-thriftpy [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.9+ds1-1ubuntu2]
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: networking-bagpipe [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [9.0.0~b3-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-thriftpy [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.9+ds1-1ubuntu2]
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: python-blazarclient (cosmic-proposed/primary) [2.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: cinder [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2:13.0.0~b3-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[13:06] <apw> coreycb, ^
[13:08] <coreycb> Thanks apw
[13:50] <acheronuk> ppc64el failure on timeout https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/9.23~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1
[13:50] <acheronuk> could someone retry that if it could maybe succeed on a retry?
[13:58] <acheronuk> LocutusOfBorg: could you? ^^^
[13:58] <acheronuk> in main, so needs core dev
[14:02] <acheronuk> at the moment that leaves okular unbuildable in proposed, and I would guess a fair amount of other things as well
[14:08] <ginggs> acheronuk: retried
[14:08] <acheronuk> ginggs: thanks. worth a try ;)
[14:09] <ginggs> acheronuk: if that doesn't work, you could try rebuilding with -O2 in your PPA, or maybe just try that anyway
[14:10] <acheronuk> ginggs: uploader has asked in #ubuntu-devel in the meantime
[14:11] <slangasek> ginggs: tkamppeter was just asking for help with this in #ubuntu-devel; maybe coordinate with him?
[14:12] <slangasek> yah what acheronuk said
[15:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected maas [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.3.3-6498-ge4db91d-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[15:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted maas [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.3.4-6508-g4f77e30-0ubuntu1]
[16:17] <bdmurray> sil2100: Can you remove maxima from xenial-proposed since it FTBFS on some arches?
[16:25] <sil2100> bdmurray: sure
[16:27] <sil2100> bdmurray: done
[16:27]  * sil2100 is cleaning up -proposed uploads now
[16:28] <bdmurray> sil2100: thanks
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fonts-gnutypewriter [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0-1]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-araddon-gou [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.0~git20180509.7db4be5-1]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted glasstty [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0-1]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gutenprint [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [5.3.0~pre1-3]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gutenprint [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [5.3.0~pre1-3]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gutenprint [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [5.3.0~pre1-3]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gutenprint [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [5.3.0~pre1-3]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzc [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-1]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzc [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-1]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzc [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-1]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-toidentifier [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0.0-1]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted petsc [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [3.9.3+dfsg1-3]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted petsc [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [3.9.3+dfsg1-3]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted petsc [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [3.9.3+dfsg1-3]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gutenprint [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [5.3.0~pre1-3]
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzc [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzc [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted petsc [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [3.9.3+dfsg1-3]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted petsc [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [3.9.3+dfsg1-3]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.8.0+dfsg-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [2.8.0+dfsg-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [2.8.0+dfsg-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: dovecot [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: fwupd-signed (cosmic-proposed/primary) [1.0]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gutenprint [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [5.3.0~pre1-3]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-code [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [5.2.0-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.8.0+dfsg-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [2.8.0+dfsg-1]
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[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fwupdate [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/main) [12-3] (core)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-os-traits [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [0.9.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: sl-modem [i386] (cosmic-proposed/multiverse) [2.9.11~20110321-13] (no packageset)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libzc [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4.1-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted radare2 [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [2.8.0+dfsg-1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fwupdate [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/main) [12-2] (core)
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[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted petsc [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [3.9.3+dfsg1-3]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-ceilometermiddleware [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3.0-0ubuntu1] (openstack)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: dovecot [i386] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sl-modem [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.9.11~20110321-13]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: vaultlocker (cosmic-proposed/primary) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sl-modem [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [2.9.11~20110321-13]
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fwupdate [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [12-2]
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnuastro [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7-1]
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnuastro [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7-1]
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnuastro [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7-1]
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted julia [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7.0-1]
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fwupdate [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [12-3]
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnuastro [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7-1]
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnuastro [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7-1]
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted julia [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7.0-1]
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: android-platform-external-boringssl [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/none) [8.1.0+r23-1] (no packageset)
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[17:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: 2ping (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.1-1 => 4.1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: android-platform-external-boringssl [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [8.1.0+r23-1] (no packageset)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: android-platform-external-boringssl [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [8.1.0+r23-1] (no packageset)
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slepc [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.9.2+dfsg1-1build1] (no packageset)
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slepc [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.9.2+dfsg1-1build1] (no packageset)
[17:39] <infinity> cjwatson: How is that "early"?  It's been EOL for a while.
[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slepc [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.9.2+dfsg1-1build1] (no packageset)
[17:45] <fo0bar> ^ could I get that 2ping bionic-proposed/universe upload approved?  re: LP: #1786397
[17:45] <fo0bar> (not sure if that gets looked at in someone's queue eventually; sorry if so.  last time I did an SRU was years ago)
[17:47] <slangasek> fo0bar: yeah, it's in a queue for eventual processing
[17:49] <fo0bar> slangasek: ta, no rush.  the SRU docs have a gap between upload and verification (implies it's instant) and I didn't want to jump the gun and set verification-needed before it was actually in -proposed
[17:55] <fo0bar> (or I just read it wrong.  "After upload, the bug status should be changed to In Progress, once accepted into release-proposed, the status will be automatically changed to Fix Committed.")
[17:59] <infinity> fo0bar: Yeah, the Fix Committed and v-needed bits are set by us when we accept.
[17:59] <fo0bar> infinity: cut me some slack, it's my first day!
[17:59] <fo0bar> :)
[18:00] <infinity> *raise brow*
[18:00] <infinity> I call shenanigans.
[18:01] <fo0bar> infinity: on an unrelated note, thanks for cleaning up cdimage.  however I'm still going to kill the 1TB servers with fire, and replacements are about to go live today
[18:02] <fo0bar> they have 8TB, which is more than even nusakan.  *should* last awhile, heh
[18:02] <infinity> fo0bar: Oh, shiny.
[18:02] <infinity> fo0bar: Can nusakan also get some extra terabyteses?
[18:03] <infinity> fo0bar: Aren't we, like, the last users of the miserable dying SAN?
[18:05] <fo0bar> infinity: there's a PO in progress to replace the SAN with a cloudless ceph cluster.  however, it's been in progress for awhile, and I fear to ask what the status is.  but I will when my manager gets back from vacation
[18:06] <fo0bar> the only reason the cdimage servers are getting replaced in a reasonable timeframe was the temporary SPOF on hutton kicked us into reallocating two machines from another project, which is why they're slightly overspecced
[18:07] <infinity> fo0bar: I assumed we'd do something similar to nusakan that got done to pepo.
[18:07] <infinity> fo0bar: Given how we grind bits on that machine, remote storage doesn't really make sense.
[18:07] <infinity> (IMO)
[18:08] <infinity> Or, we could split it to a mix of local and remote for working sets versus half-archived stuff.  But that would also take jiggerying some of how we do stuff, path-wise.
[18:08] <fo0bar> that's a good point.  but FAOD there's still enough at-rest junk on the SAN that I believe the reacement will still go through
[18:08] <fo0bar> *replacement
[18:09] <fo0bar> come to think of it, I think I originally built pepo too
[18:09] <fo0bar> I get all the best projects
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slepc [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.9.2+dfsg1-1build1] (no packageset)
[18:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: manila-ui [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.16.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:26] <acheronuk> slangasek: would it be possible/acceptable to get ghostscript out of proposed until we know the build is fixed? if not I can probably work around it, but would be better not to have uninstalable build depends for some things due to that failure
[18:32] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: Are Xenial dailies still supposed to be a thing after 16.04.5? They're still enabled in /etc/crontab of lp:ubuntu-cdimage and still being built.
[18:33] <infinity> tsimonq2: They're not supposed to be a thing.  Did someone re-enable them?
[18:33] <tsimonq2> infinity: Apparently, it seems.
[18:33] <infinity> So they did.
[18:34] <infinity> tsimonq2: To be fair, lp:ubuntu-cdimage doesn't relate here.
[18:34] <infinity> But someone did re-enable them on the live crontab too.
[18:34]  * infinity twiddles them back off.
[18:34] <sarnold> why wouldn't we keep generating dailies?
[18:34] <tsimonq2> infinity: You might as well go through and rm -rf xenial directories in the flavors as well.
[18:34] <infinity> sarnold: There are no more point releases after .5
[18:34] <tsimonq2> sarnold: Because Xenial has had its final point release.
[18:35] <tsimonq2> Right.
[18:35] <infinity> tsimonq2: At some point, yes.
[18:35] <tsimonq2> infinity: Well, is there any reason to keep wasting the disk space? :P
[18:35] <sarnold> I thought we made the dailies to keep sucking in security updates and srus?
[18:35] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:35] <tsimonq2> sarnold: Only up to .5.
[18:35] <tsimonq2> Otherwise users get those through normal system updates.
[18:35] <infinity> sarnold: Maybe you're confusing ISOs and cloud images?
[18:36] <infinity> sarnold: No one other than testers should ever actually use daily ISOs.
[18:36] <sarnold> infinity: yes. yes I am. thanks :)
[18:36] <infinity> sarnold: They have proposed enabled, they're half broken, etc.
[18:36] <sarnold> wow
[18:36] <tsimonq2> infinity: lp:ubuntu-cdimage isn't accurate> That hasn't seen an update since Lubuntu Next was dropped. :P
[18:36] <sarnold> that's definitely not what I expected, hehe
[18:36] <sarnold> thanks
[18:36] <tsimonq2> I'm curious, is -proposed just enabled on build time for those, or in the actually-installed system?
[18:37] <infinity> tsimonq2: It's not so much that it's "not accurate", it's that there's no point in committing temp tweaks to the live crontab and uncommitting them again, with contrab imports and exports in between.
[18:37] <tsimonq2> infinity: Got it.
[18:37] <infinity> tsimonq2: Build-time and installed.
[18:38] <tsimonq2> infinity: Oh, fun.
[19:09] <slangasek> acheronuk: wasn't tkamppeter working on getting ghostscript fixed?  If that's taking too long, I can remove the current broken package from -proposed, yes
[19:11] <acheronuk> slangasek: yes, sorry, I wasn't asking for immediate removal
[19:12] <acheronuk> though I don't think -O2 worked :/ https://launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/15253371
[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected fwupd [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.1.0-2]
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[19:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected fwupd [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [1.1.0-4]
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected fwupdate [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [12-2]
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected fwupdate [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [12-2]
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected fwupdate [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [12-2]
[19:34] <slangasek> acheronuk: and I just did a test build on a ppc64el machine and got no hang
[19:36] <acheronuk> slangasek: great, but the builders don't seem to be so accommodating. any clue why?
[19:37] <slangasek> yeah, not great at all ;)
[19:43] <slangasek> acheronuk: ok, apparently after making sure the chroot is completely up to date with -proposed, I can reproduce *a* hang, though not at the same point seen on the buildds
[19:45] <slangasek> and not a hang so much as 100% CPU usage by a compiler
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: networking-bagpipe [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [9.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:06] <cjwatson> infinity: early> Just 'cos it's not on old-releases yet
[20:31] <slangasek> acheronuk, tkamppeter: building with -O2 works around the problem fine, but passing DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND fails to get picked up by the build system (and it's cdbs, so I'm not enthusiastic about digging into it)
[21:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: cinder [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2:13.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: zvmcloudconnector (cosmic-proposed/primary) [1.2.3-0ubuntu1]
[21:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-system-monitor (bionic-proposed/universe) [35-1 => 35-1ubuntu1~jdstrand1] (no packageset)
[21:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: slepc [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.9.2+dfsg1-1build1] (no packageset)
[21:54] <acheronuk> slangasek: ummm. pass on that as well
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted 2ping [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.1-1ubuntu1]
[22:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fwts [source] (bionic-proposed) [18.03.00-0ubuntu3]
[22:26] <ehashman> slangasek: saw the updates on the node bug, I will attempt to test for you tonight or tomorrow :)
[22:26] <ehashman> and thanks!
[22:27] <slangasek> ehashman: no problem, sorry it took so long (would've done it a couple days sooner but was out sick)
[22:27] <ehashman> it's alright, hope you feel better now
[22:27] <ehashman> I was less worried about a delay and more worried about the initial wontfix
[22:28] <ehashman> there is some discussion om the upstream bug... archlinux finally has committed to fixing this in their lts node as well
[22:28] <ehashman> so just Debian left (I dunno if there's anything I can do to speed up getting node 10 in unstable...)
[22:31] <slangasek> rbasak's comments still apply wrt the incomplete expression of the current ABI string
[22:33] <rbasak> I'm concerned that this isn't fixed properly in our development release. It'll almost certainly "regress" sooner or later (ie. a future Ubuntu release will contain a nodejs with a similar ABI incompatibility).
[22:33] <rbasak> I hope upstream fix this properly, but I suspect they won't.
[22:35] <ehashman> rbasak: I'm trying to coaxthem into better ABI management practices but..
[22:36] <rbasak> ehashman: I appreciate your efforts
[22:36] <ehashman> are there any resoirces I can point them at?
[22:36] <ehashman> I'm suggesting they don't vendor and export all these external lib symbols
[22:36] <rbasak> What sort of thing do you have in mind?
[22:36] <ehashman> they also don't version their own symbols
[22:36] <ehashman> they just claim they will maintain ABI compat for a major release
[22:37] <ehashman> the Python approach for SSL involves actual cryptographic engineers maintaining the SSL wrapper lib that is versioned and natively built against a policy
[22:37] <ehashman> where the policy env is an ancient minimal centos image
[22:37] <rbasak> The problem starts because they bundle their dependencies
[22:38] <rbasak> And distributions must unbundle to be able to maintain their own release stability/security promises.
[22:38] <ehashman> some of them are hard to get around
[22:38] <ehashman> their libv8 is so heavily patched...
[22:38] <ehashman> but openssl is sort of silly
[22:38] <ehashman> I don't think incompat has come up with the other deps
[22:39] <rbasak> If their downstreams unbundle (as they do for at least some of these), then they can't rely on dependency stability for ABI
[22:39] <rbasak> Since the downstreams may choose not to ship the version they're depending on
[22:39] <ehashman> even if they don't unbundle ulstream they can at least stop exporting the symbols for comlatibility
[22:39] <rbasak> Making it impossible for their downstreams to build for that ABI
[22:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evolution-data-server [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[22:40] <ehashman> like for natively compiled Python extensions we don't even assume compatibility with the system Python headers
[22:40] <rbasak> The best thing to point them to would be Python then I guess?
[22:41] <ehashman> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0513/#libpythonx-y-so-1
[22:41] <ehashman> yeah I am trying to nudge them in that direction
[22:41] <ehashman> (I'm one of the manylinux maintainers)
[22:43] <ehashman> one of the node release managers has told me he's been interested in this for a long time, it's a known problem
[22:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-phabricator [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.7.0-1ubuntu0.1]
[22:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: designate [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:7.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[23:48] <tsimonq2> Oh, nice. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905868


[17:33] <swift110> how do I update to the latest kernel
[17:36] <xangua> Why you need to upgrade to "latest"kernel?
[18:19] <swift110> xangua, I am hoping it will solve suspend issues
[18:59] <xangua> swift110: you mean black screen after suspend? Don't know if installing a newer kernel would affect that but you could just remove light locker and install xscreensaver
[18:59] <xangua> That worked for me, 16.04
[19:05] <xangua> ! Mainline | anyways
[19:05] <swift110> ok cool xangua thans
[19:05] <swift110> yes xangua
[22:48] <Guest88615> Hello to all. Sorry about any issue caused by my absence. Was doing 2 upgrades - installing SSD drive and upgrade to 64 bit.   Quick question for group... sorry if I already asked this earlier. Anyone have knowledge and/or experience in voice/speech recognition?? I read up on "Simon" - but it wants to install a lot of KDE stuff. I also read up about "Voice Control" - it wants to install a bunch a extra apps like Brasero and Audaciou
[22:48] <Guest88615> s - which I neither want on need.
[22:50] <lynorian> Guest88615, there is the --no-install-recommends option in apt-get that might bring down some packages that are only recommended might end up installing less uneeded packages
[22:58] <Guest88615> Humm... thanx Lynorin! I did not think about that command. Now to see which to consider... Simon, Julius, Sphinx/Pocketsphinx, Palaaver (maybe spelled wrong), Gnome-voice-contol,  etc,,, etc,,,
[22:59] <wxl> you could always filter them out by installed size
[23:11] <James1138> Has anyone heard anything (could be years ago) about speech/voice recognition apps? Maybe some webpage that lists them or compares them?
[23:11] <wxl> nope
[23:12] <wxl> might want to ask in #ubuntu since there's a wider audience
[23:13] <James1138> Done that Wxl... but with almost 2000 people - it may take awhile for them to finally get to reading my question... even more time to replay.   <frown>
[23:17] <James1138> I can wait. <smile>
[23:19] <wxl> ah hah
[23:19] <wxl> i THINK this will do what i suggested
[23:20] <wxl> searchterm=""; for package in "$(apt-cache search $searchterm | awk '{print $1}')"; do apt-cache show $package | egrep '(Package|Installed)' | awk '{print $2}' | paste -d " " - -; done | sort -g
[23:21] <wxl> just set fill the quotes in searchterm with what you want to search for
[23:22] <wxl> oh let's refine that
[23:22] <James1138> Oh Wxl! I think I have a good idea of the number of apps for voice/speech recognition. I was just asking if anyone had any suggestions for or against certain such apps?
[23:23] <wxl> use egrep '(Package:|Installed-Size:)' instead
[23:23] <wxl> James1138: if you use what i gave you, it will give you a list of such packages sorted by install size, which should give you at least a good indication of where to start looking
[23:24] <wxl> i assume you already saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility#Voice_Recognition
[23:24] <James1138> Oh.. sorry
[23:25] <James1138> Yes. I checked the link you posted before asking. Sorry
[23:25] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Links might help
[23:25] <wxl> track down the accessibility folks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Contacts
[23:26] <wxl> note they have an irc channel
[23:27] <wxl> that's about the best help i can give you, outside of searching for general contacts for accessibility in linux
[23:27] <wxl> there are some such things on that links page
[23:28] <wxl> you might as well be asking about software defined radio. i mean, sure, there's people that doing it, but the number is relatively small. i doubt that #lubuntu or even #ubuntu would be much help there, just as with voice recognition in general
[23:29] <wxl> (actually i'd suggest you'd have MORE luck with SDR) :(
[23:31] <James1138> Thanks... will google that right now and start reading
[23:31] <wxl> good luck


[08:25] <morphis> sil2100: ping
[08:26] <sil2100> morphis: pong
[08:27] <morphis> sil2100: time for an upload?
[08:27] <sil2100> morphis: sure thing!
[08:28] <morphis> sil2100: great!
[08:32] <sil2100> jibel: hey! For your decoder-ring - I slightly changed the path of commitlogs, they're now following the full channel/device path
[08:33] <sil2100> jibel: so http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/ for krillin, for instance
[08:33] <sil2100> jibel: you can change it for all as I copied over all those that were already generated to the new path
[08:35] <jibel> sil2100, you have a commit log for each build now?
[08:38] <jibel> sil2100, done
[08:40] <jibel> sil2100, http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu/mako/337.commitlog says krillin on the first line
[08:40] <sil2100> jibel: yeah, those are symlinks ;)
[08:40] <sil2100> jibel: to save up space
[08:40] <jibel> sil2100, ah ok
[08:40] <sil2100> I generate for krillin and then link up all the rest automatically, since the rootfs is shared
[08:41] <sil2100> I'll remove the device name from the commitlog I think
[08:41] <sil2100> For the future ones at least
[09:10] <robru> jibel: sil2100: I'll likely be rolling out the big new britney changes (gating qa queue on britney approval) first thing tomorrow morning. almost did it today but got hung up on some firewall issues & lack of webops vanguard
[09:10] <sil2100> robru: excellent, ACK!
[09:14] <jibel> robru, awesome.
[09:14] <jibel> robru, morning which timezone?
[09:15] <sil2100> I would suspect the US TZ
[09:19] <robru> jibel: sil2100 yeah sorry, morning US west
[09:21] <robru> sil2100: is http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml down for you? i can't seem to access it.
[09:22] <sil2100> robru: hm... down here as well
[09:22] <robru> sil2100: might want to follow that up with somebody. ;-) I'm off! goodnight
[09:23] <sil2100> Goodnight :)
[09:25] <jibel> sil2100, robru pitti said it's under maintenance and autopkgtest will be down until 9:45UTC or so
[09:25] <robru> ah ok
[09:54] <Saviq> sil2100, Icanhaspublish on https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/854 please
[09:57] <sil2100> On it!
[10:28] <sil2100> Saviq: ping! https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_card_creator_test/+merge/282187 needs approval
[10:28] <Saviq> sil2100, oops
[10:29] <Saviq> sil2100, done
[11:35] <Mirv> so many qtubuntu-media landings...
[11:38] <Mirv> sil2100: so is that what you published to xenial now identical to silo 036 and should the silo 036 now be manually merged or what?
[11:38] <Mirv> so that 045 can be rebuilt
[11:39] <sil2100> Mirv: it's a dual silo landing so I landed it, I would first wait for it to migrate and auto-merge - would there be a reason for this not to migrate and auto-merge?
[11:39] <Mirv> sil2100: ah I guess train is just lagging since it claims vivid is in release pocket but xenial is just only built (https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/832)
[11:40] <Mirv> sil2100: I was just confused
[11:41] <sil2100> Mirv: yeah, 0.8.0+16.04.20160112.1-0ubuntu1 is in xenial as per https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtubuntu-media (not fully acknowledged yet)
[11:41] <sil2100> So all seems to be good
[11:41] <Mirv> sil2100: I thought train would say "Publishing" until it finds something else
[11:42] <sil2100> I would suppose so too, but I guess it was 'Publishing' until the status update job kicked in
[11:45] <Mirv> yeah, now it ran again
[11:59] <oSoMoN> ToyKeeper, thanks for testing silo 6, I answered your questions in the trello card
[12:40] <karni> Hi guys. Got a question (this is purely from technical/project POV, I don't need convincing CI train is good - I know it ;) ) - what are other advantages of making use of CI train other than automated test runs, pre-merge tests, auto landing. Is it that QA is involved with possibly manual testing the silos of the projects making use of the CI train?
[14:16] <jhodapp> sil2100, thanks for landing silo 36
[14:46] <Saviq> trainguards, can we please force-merge https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/854, it's only waiting for gsettings-qt which didn't migrate because of flaky click scope tests (bug #1532358)
[15:12] <oSoMoN> ToyKeeper, are you still looking at https://trello.com/c/Z1LL7md3/2647-834-ubuntu-landing-006-webbrowser-app-osomon ?
[15:14] <jibel> oSoMoN, she's offline
[15:15] <oSoMoN> jibel, that’s unfortunate, do you know until when?
[15:16] <jibel> oSoMoN, 9 or 10PM UTC or so
[15:16] <jibel> oSoMoN, according to her comments the silo can land though
[15:16] <oSoMoN> jibel, cool, that’s what I thought, but wanted her to mark it passed. Can you do that maybe?
[15:17] <jibel> rvr, once you're done with the camera, can you have a quick look at silo 6 and confirm that it can lands?
[15:17] <jibel> -s
[15:21] <oSoMoN> cheers
[15:35] <sil2100> Saviq: let me take a look at that
[16:17] <rvr> jibel: Sure
[16:58] <Wellark> trainguards: I and dobey need a manual upload of qtpurchasing to silo 41 soon
[16:59] <sil2100> Wellark: ok
[17:01] <Wellark> dobey: could you prepare a branch of lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtpurchasing-opensource-src which has the latest code as distro patch?
[17:03] <Wellark> you can get the diff for the distro patch by diffing libpay branch  against  upstream 5.6 branch
[17:03] <Wellark> git://code.qt.io/qt/qtpurchasing.git
[17:04] <dobey> <- not a git expert
[17:07] <Wellark> git remote add qt git://code.qt.io/qt/qtpurchasing.git
[17:09] <Wellark> git diff remotes/qt/5.6
[17:09] <Wellark>    > distro.patch
[17:10] <dobey> nope
[17:11] <dobey> Wellark: can you do that bit? i need to go geet lunch
[17:12] <Wellark> dobey: ack
[17:12] <dobey> and git <whatver> --help is not helpful
[17:12] <dobey> thanks
[17:12] <dobey> bbiab
[17:12] <cjwatson> possibly forgot "git remote update qt" in there
[17:12] <Wellark> right
[17:13] <Wellark> true.
[17:13] <cjwatson> I don't think "git remote add" actually fetches anything
[17:13] <cjwatson> (though it has an -f option to do so)
[17:15] <Wellark> damn.. upstream made some updates as well
[17:15] <Wellark> nothing that affects us, though
[17:15] <Wellark> but the orig.tar.gz gets outdated
[17:16] <Wellark> will need to figure out how to generate the diff from older upstream commit
[17:16] <Wellark> brb
[17:17] <Wellark> Mirv: still around?
[17:19] <Mirv> Wellark: not really, but I noticed what you discussed and bzr push:d latest xenial uploads to the packaging branch which I had forgot
[17:42] <Wellark> dobey: looks OK? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/kubuntu-packaging/qt-purchasing-packaging/+merge/282479
[17:45] <dobey> Wellark: .gitignore being in there is weird, but otherwise yeah
[17:54] <Wellark> sil2100: could you grab lp:~unity-api-team/kubuntu-packaging/qt-purchasing-packaging and manually upload qtpurchasing for silo 41, thnx
[17:57] <jibel> charles, sil2100 do you know what is the status of silo 53? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/507  It is QA required/needs rebuild but the bug it fixes is fixed since OTA7. Is it obsolete?
[18:03] <dobey> jibel: that probably doesn't need QA, but does apparently need to land in xenial/trunk still
[18:03] <dobey> the fix looks like it only landed in 15.04
[18:04] <dobey> i guess because wily was frozen at the time
[18:06] <jibel> dobey, okay, it should be retargeted to xenial then
[18:06] <dobey> jibel: yeah i just did that
[18:07] <jibel> dobey, thanks
[18:07] <dobey> and trying to rebuild it now
[18:08] <dobey> oh wow
[18:08] <dobey> someone decided to hate irccloud
[18:14] <sil2100> Wellark: on it! Sorry, had to do some errands since it's a bit past my time ;)
[18:15] <sil2100> Wellark: hm, where can I fetch the tarball from?
[18:16] <sil2100> Wellark: since it doesn't seem to be available anywhere I know
[18:18] <dobey> sil2100: btw, can you delete the wily build from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-053/+packages ?
[18:18] <Wellark> sil2100: should be in overlay ppa, or xenial repo etc. etc
[18:19] <Wellark> Mirv: --^
[18:29] <dobey> or i guess wily will just get ignored
[18:32] <Wellark> sil2100: did you manage to find it?
[18:40] <sil2100> Wellark: the patches don't seem to apply cleanly...
[18:40] <sil2100> Wellark: btw. where is this supposed to go?
[18:40] <sil2100> Wellark: since the bzr branch seems to target xenial, and the same version is in xenial already?
[18:41] <sil2100> Wellark: if you meant uploading this to vivid, I will take the xenial version simply and re-target to vivid and push it there
[18:41] <sil2100> But usually for such things a ready source package would be best
[18:43] <dobey> sil2100: we will need a package for xenial, and then the same package uploaded for vivid-ovleray with ~15.04.1 or such appended to the version #
[18:43] <sil2100> dobey: but why for xenial if xenial already has the version?
[18:43] <dobey> sil2100: xenial doesn't already have the new patch
[18:44] <dobey> sil2100: i guess you're confused because the MP doesn't change debian/changelog :)
[18:44] <sil2100> dobey: Wellark pointed me to lp:~unity-api-team/kubuntu-packaging/qt-purchasing-packaging which only has the already-released changelog
[18:44] <sil2100> ...
[18:44] <sil2100> So how am I supposed to upload that? I didn't make the change so how am I supposed to know what changed?
[18:45] <dobey> sil2100: let me see if i can find the e-mail from a few months ago describing how we should ask you guys for uploads
[18:45] <sil2100> dobey: what morphis and others do is that they prepare source packages which we dput for them
[18:46] <sil2100> If I'm not a package maintainer and didn't prepare the changes there, it's really strange for me to fill in the changelog details
[18:46] <dobey> sil2100: sure. i mean there is i think some annoying process here because we have to ship stuff as a distro patch to a qt lib that we ship backported from qt 5.6
[18:46] <sil2100> Anyway, I need to go off now, once the package is settled please poke robru - he should help you in this timezone then
[18:47] <robru> I'm here
[18:47] <dobey> sil2100: right. thanks
[18:51] <dobey> robru: hi! :)
[18:51] <robru> dobey: ahoy
[18:52] <dobey> robru: so, first question should be easy for you
[18:52] <dobey> robru: can you delete the wily package from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-053/+packages please?
[18:52] <robru> dobey: yes. and done
[18:53] <dobey> robru: great. thanks
[18:53] <robru> you're welcoe
[18:53] <dobey> robru: ok, so how exactly do i hand you source packages to upload to a silo ppa?
[18:53] <robru> dobey: easiest for me is if you have it in a PPA, I can copy it over.
[18:54] <dobey> ok
[19:18] <dobey> robru: do you copy the binaries, or just the source and rebuild?
[19:18] <robru> dobey: depends if your ppa is devirt or not.
[19:18] <robru> dobey: (generally, your ppa is not devirt and i rebuild from source)
[19:19] <dobey> robru: ok, yeah. i don't know if this one is or not
[19:19] <robru> dobey: devirt is a thing you have to specifically request, so if you don't know, i probably isn't
[19:19] <dobey> robru: but if it's going to rebuild from source anyway, i guess i don't have to wait until it finishes building
[19:20] <dobey> robru: well, i didn't create the PPA
[19:20] <robru> dobey: sure don't! what ppa?
[19:20] <dobey> robru: need https://launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/+archive/ubuntu/dev-build-5/+packages copied to silo 41 ppa
[19:21] <robru> dobey: both xenial and vivid?
[19:21] <dobey> robru: yes
[19:22] <dobey> well, both sources "copied to same series"
[19:22] <robru> dobey: right. done
[19:22] <dobey> robru: awesome, thanks!
[19:22] <robru> dobey: you're welcome
[20:17] <Wellark> robru, dobey: sorry, had some dinner
[20:17] <Wellark> so yeah, that branch only contains the debian path that has changed
[20:17] <Wellark> I didn't touch the debian/changelog
[20:18] <dobey> Wellark: we're already done there
[20:24] <Wellark> ok. good
[20:24] <Wellark> thanks!