[00:13] <criss> hi what would be the best requirements PC wise to run ubuntu 9.10 on?
[00:20] <Refraxx> I need some help. My desktop is acting real squirrely. It looks like a checkerboard all over. I can't reset it & I know for a fact it is not from a pic I downloaded from the net-so I don't know where it came from.
[00:20] <Refraxx> Please help
[00:20] <aluno> oo
[00:20] <Refraxx> Also, the desktop folder at the top right is missing.
[00:21] <Refraxx> anyone have any ideas?
[00:21] <aluno> wats you location in a country
[00:21] <aluno> ???
[00:21] <Refraxx> USA
[00:21] <aluno> lol
[00:21] <aluno> me in brazilian
[00:21] <aluno> lol
[00:22] <Refraxx> :-)
[00:22] <Refraxx> any ideas on how to fix this problem?
[00:25] <Refraxx> I need some help. Is anyone available?
[00:26] <Pavel_> Refraxx, is is 9.04?
[00:26] <Refraxx> yes
[00:27] <Refraxx> why?
[00:27] <Pavel_> cause I haven't touched 9.10 yet :p
[00:28] <Refraxx> Me neither. Now I can't. The little window that holds the clipboard & stuff is blank
[00:28] <Pavel_> let me think about where this was... you're going to delete two files plasmarc and something and then log out and in
[00:28] <Pavel_> let me figure out where I've written this down...
[00:28] <Refraxx> k
[00:29] <Pavel_> go to .kde/share/config
[00:29] <Pavel_> this may be hidden.  You should be able to get into it through your home folder
[00:29] <Pavel_> let me know when you've done that
[00:29] <Refraxx> k. Gimmie a sec...
[00:30] <szal> Pavel_: it _is_ hidden, that's the definition of dotfiles and -folders
[00:30] <Pavel_> unhide it
[00:31] <Pavel_> delete the files "plasmarc" and "plasma-appletsic", then log out and back in.  This will restore the default desktop settings.
[00:31] <Refraxx> yeah...I don't yet see it. How do I tell the computer I am lookin' for it?
[00:31] <florrin> Hello! Can anyone tell me why i can't join a channel?..... pls....
[00:31] <Refraxx> i.e how do I search for it?
[00:32] <Pavel_> go to your home folder in dolphin
[00:32] <Flootenkerp> Does anyone here use mupen64plus? I need help configuring the controls on it.
[00:32] <Pavel_> florrin, what channel are you trying to join?
[00:32] <dezk> HELLO
[00:32] <florrin> any channel...
[00:32] <Pavel_> refraxx, in your home folder is there a folder named '.kde' ?
[00:32] <dezk> I NEED SOME HELP TO USE OREGANO
[00:33] <dezk> I NEED TO SIMULATE A JFET N
[00:33] <florrin> i can't connect to a channel...to any channel
[00:33] <szal> dezk: 1. DON'T SHOUT!  2. Specify your problem as exactly as possible, we can't read your mind
[00:33] <rww> florrin: which IRC client are you using?
[00:33] <Flootenkerp> Then it's a problem with your IRC client.
[00:33] <dezk> THERE IS NO MODEL IN THE LIBRARI FOR THIS
[00:33] <Pavel_> florrin, so you're only in here because it's the default quassel right?
[00:34] <florrin> yes
[00:35] <Pavel_> florrin, file->networks->configure networks...
[00:35] <florrin> rww: Konversation (Ubuntu)
[00:35] <dezk> i need to find a model for a transistor  JFET N
[00:35] <Flootenkerp> So, no one here uses mupen64plus?
[00:35] <Pavel_> florrin, I'm in quassel, sorry
[00:36] <dezk> for oregano
[00:36] <Pavel_> refraxx, did you find home/.kde?
[00:36] <florrin> Pavel_: quassel is working on ubuntu?
[00:36] <rww> quassel works fine in ubuntu
[00:36] <Pavel_> florrin, yes, though I am on kubuntu...
[00:36] <florrin> thank you
[00:37] <Pavel_> Refraxx, are you there?
[00:38] <Refraxx> Pavel: I looked it up & it said it can't find the file.....
[00:38] <Pavel_> it's becdause it's hidden, here's what to do
[00:38] <Pavel_> go to your home folder in dolphin
[00:38] <Refraxx> I got that far....
[00:38] <Refraxx> now what?
[00:38] <Pavel_> is there a folder named .kde?
[00:39] <Refraxx> yes, I see it
[00:39] <Refraxx> its in there, isint it?
[00:39] <Pavel_> go in there, and then into 'share'
[00:40] <Refraxx> ok, I'm there. Now what?
[00:40] <Pavel_> go into the 'config' folder
[00:40] <Pavel_> can you see the files?  or are they hidden?
[00:41] <Refraxx> Folder after folder.....when they hide something they REALLY hide it
[00:41] <Pavel_> are you in the config folder?
[00:41] <Refraxx> I do see a lot of files
[00:41] <Refraxx> yes
[00:41] <Pavel_> okay, delete these two : "plasmarc"  and "plasma-appletsic"
[00:41] <Refraxx> ok
[00:42] <Pavel_> and then log out of kubuntu and then log back in.  Your desltop should be restored to the default
[00:42] <Pavel_> you won't lose any files such as background images, you'll just have to reapply those settings
[00:42] <Refraxx> ok. Thank you very much
[00:42] <usuario_> oi
[00:43] <Refraxx> Um, Pavel?
[00:44] <Pavel_> yes?
[00:44] <Refraxx> I see one labeled "plasma-appletsrc" is that the one?
[00:45] <Pavel_> yeah, sorry
[00:45] <Refraxx> ok, cool
[00:45] <Pavel_> typing with a bandaid on one finger haha
[00:46] <Refraxx> all I have to do is reset. if it doesn't work, "I'll be back"
[00:46] <Pavel_> just log out and in
[00:59] <Serpardum> is there any command I can use to look at machine temperatures?  I'm running kubuntu desktop off the CD.  This machine is overheating and I want to try to find out why
[00:59] <Serpardum> Not my machine, fixing a friends.
[01:00] <szal> Serpardum: try if 'sensors' returns anything; if not, get a real diagnosis live CD such as grml or SystemRescueCd
[01:02] <Serpardum> no sensors.  hmm...  grml.  let me look for that
[01:02] <genii> !info lmsensors
[01:02] <genii> Hm
[01:02] <clustermagnet> guys... getting a compile time error....   /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lexpat
[01:02] <clustermagnet> how do i get expat installed :)
[01:02] <clustermagnet> i've dont the normal apt-get install expat
[01:03] <clustermagnet> kubuntu 9.1
[01:04] <clustermagnet> i may have it figure out....
[01:04] <clustermagnet> how can i get apt to tell me which libs i need to install? thanks!
[01:05] <clustermagnet> i fixed it with runnning kpackagekit... and selecting every expat option there :)
[01:05] <genii> clustermagnet: When looking for which package contains what files, http://packages.ubuntu.com is often of use
[01:05] <clustermagnet> whats the command line way of searching for hte same thing?
[01:05] <clustermagnet> genii: perfect
[01:05] <BluesKaj> libs ? you need to fix your repos
[01:05] <clustermagnet> thank you
[01:06] <EagleScreen> clustermagnet: 'apt-get build-dep package_name' may be useful for you
[01:08] <dezk> hello my friends
[01:09] <dezk> i need help whit oregano
[01:10] <dezk> whit the jfet-n trnsistor
[01:18] <NSsmiles> hi
[01:18] <NSsmiles> anyone here?
[01:19] <NSsmiles> hi german
[01:20] <Guest17380> hi NSsmiles
[01:20] <NSsmiles> can anyone help with ipod and ubuntu
[01:20] <NSsmiles> i'm new and cant get ipod to work
[01:21] <German-> sorry i havnt got an ipod :(
[01:21] <NSsmiles> :-(
[01:22] <Syliss> which ipod and which ubuntu/
[01:22] <Syliss> ?
[01:22] <NSsmiles> ipod touch ubuntu 9.10
[01:22] <Syliss> ipod touch wont work yet on ubuntu
[01:23] <NSsmiles> awe!!
[01:23] <Syliss> well at least not easily
[01:23] <NSsmiles> oh
[01:23] <NSsmiles> can you explain?
[01:24] <Syliss> looking into it now
[01:24] <NSsmiles> ok
[01:25] <Syliss> look up ifuse
[01:26] <Syliss> there is a lot of issues right now with ipod touch
[01:26] <NSsmiles> ok
[01:26] <Syliss> best bet is run either osx or win atm
[01:26] <NSsmiles> what is ifuse
[01:26] <Syliss> a program that mounts the ipod
[01:27] <NSsmiles> i only have linux on the pc
[01:27] <NSsmiles> ok
[01:27] <NSsmiles> i'll try that
[01:27] <Syliss> did it come with a windows key?
[01:27] <Syliss> is it prebuilt or custom?
[01:27] <NSsmiles> my pc crashed
[01:28] <NSsmiles> when i put ubuntu on it ...its all i have
[01:28] <Syliss> okay it crashed
[01:28] <Syliss> was it windows?
[01:28] <NSsmiles> yeah xp
[01:28] <Syliss> then just reinstall
[01:29] <Syliss> easy
[01:29] <NSsmiles> if that's the only way to use ipod it guess i'll have to
[01:29] <Syliss> lol
[01:30] <NSsmiles> i guess*
[01:30] <Syliss> just dual boot
[01:30] <SiegeLord> Heya, I dragged the Windows partition onto the desktop from dolphin, and clicked to 'link here' and this operation deleted all the files from the windows partition, leaving the directories in place
[01:30] <SiegeLord> Any ideas what happened there?
[01:31]  * Ev0luti0n_ listening to Sinister - Magnified Wrath
[01:46] <Mandingo> my system has 6 drives that are xfs and keep getting mounted and unmounted, this in turn is causing my video playback to stutter is there a way that i can turn that off or reduce it
[01:51] <Refraxx> Pavel, are you online?
[01:52] <Mandingo> my system has 6 drives that are xfs and keep getting mounted and unmounted, this in turn is causing my video playback to stutter is there a way that i can turn that off or reduce it
[01:55] <amandaberes> Where can I put the deb package files in a 9.10 kubuntu filesystem?
[01:55] <rwt> hi
[01:56] <Joelito> hi, rwt
[01:56] <rwt> should i switch to kubuntu?
[01:56] <Joelito> rwt, why not?
[01:56] <ner0x> rwt: Do I like cows?
[01:57] <rwt> using ubuntu right now and its bad with my system
[01:57] <Joelito> why bad?
[01:57] <rwt> freezes
[01:57] <rwt> bugs
[01:57] <rwt> have not been fixed yet
[01:57] <ner0x> Kubuntu is ubuntu with different packages installed.
[01:58] <rwt> i know
[01:58] <Joelito> maybe he meant gnome
[01:58] <rwt> the live cd is working fine though
[01:58] <rwt> yea
[01:58] <rwt> kde over gnome
[01:58] <Joelito> when your ubuntu started to go bad?
[01:59] <rwt> when I upgraded to 9.10
[01:59] <rwt> started getting kernel panics
[01:59] <rwt> so I reported the bug
[02:00] <rwt> I put in a kubuntu 9.10 live cd I have and it works fine with no problems
[02:00] <Joelito> well, if you getting kernel panics, kubuntu will behave the same..since share the same kernel version
[02:00] <Joelito> than ubuntu
[02:00] <rwt> it hasn't so far
[02:01] <rwt> i've been using it for only about a 1/2 hour
[02:01] <ner0x> Where can I put .deb files so that apt-get will install them?
[02:02] <Joelito> ner0x: use dpkg -i file.deb
[02:02] <Joelito> you'll need sudo for that
[02:02] <ner0x> Joelito: There is no where to put all the downloaded packages?
[02:03] <kubian> netr0X: put naywhere u want but dpkg is the to use to install deb files
[02:03] <Joelito> what about the deb chache?
[02:03] <rwt> you need sudo for apt-get also dont you?
[02:03] <rwt> install
[02:04] <Joelito> where apt uses to store the downloaded files instead to re-download them again
[02:04] <ner0x> Joelito: That's what I'm asking for.
[02:04] <Joelito> ner0x: I think is in /var/apt/somewhere
[02:05] <Joelito> well
[02:05] <Joelito> is in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:07] <rwt> if you guys use 9.10 how are you likeing it?
[02:08] <ner0x> I don't have internet yet.
[02:09] <Syliss> rwt, how fast cpu and how much ram is your system?
[02:09] <rwt> Its a 2.13 ghz centrino duo processor
[02:10] <rwt> with 4gb of ddr3 ram
[02:10] <rwt> i think its at 1066
[02:10] <rwt> why
[02:11] <Joelito> rwt, I always loved recent but also stable apps, so right now my kubuntu is very nice :D
[02:14] <rwt> im on 9.04 right now, will upgrade to 9.10 when bugs are fixed
[02:14] <kubian> ner0x: apt-get will not install deb files.  use dpkg
[02:14] <rwt> dpkg -i
[02:16] <rwt> anyone into programming?
[02:16] <Joelito> rwt, me
[02:16] <rwt> I have to learn this wierd language for a robot for school
[02:17] <rwt> have you ever heard of G langiage
[02:17] <rwt> LabVIEW
[02:17] <Joelito> no
[02:17] <rwt> It propietary  :( :(
[02:18] <rwt> no other option but it
[02:18] <ner0x>  Where can I see a package list?
[02:18] <ner0x> I need wireless drivers.
[02:18] <kubian> what's the syntax like?
[02:18] <rwt> no syntax
[02:18] <Joelito> bye
[02:18] <rwt> flow charts
[02:18] <rwt> i mean data flow
[02:19] <rwt> diagrams, pics, etc...
[02:19] <kubian> like ladders?
[02:20] <rwt> what do you mean "ladders"
[02:20] <rwt> oh, yea, its alittle like ladders
[02:21] <rwt> very close actually
[02:21] <kubian> kind of forgot what it is but it's used in controls
[02:22] <kubian> heard of omron?
[02:22] <rwt> no
[02:22] <kubian> they make programmable logic controls -
[02:22] <rwt> oh
[02:23] <kubian> kind of robotic machines use in assembly/production lines
[02:24] <rwt> are robot is for compitition, but im sure you could use that language
[02:25] <rwt> we have the option of using JAVA and C++
[02:25] <rwt> but it will take longer to learn because we have no instructer/teacher
[02:26] <kubian> learning how to program itself takes time.
[02:26] <kubian> what exactly u want to promgram?  I mean what aspect of the robot?  like amr manipulation?
[02:28] <rwt> everything, movement, sensors, all kinds of other stuff
[02:28] <kubian> C++ wud be ideal because then you can model say an arm..build the object arm then build it's methods,etc
[02:29] <giz> hey guys very cool the robot stuff but offtopic is your channel  here kubuntu support ;)
[02:29] <Syliss> hmm i installed kubuntu via wubi and idk if im going to keep it
[02:29] <rwt> I know more C++ than G but not enough to do that
[02:30] <Syliss> g?
[02:30] <kubian> rwt: u might look into debian.org where it won the robotic submarine
[02:30] <rwt> wired programming languagr
[02:30] <rwt> sorry, weird
[02:31] <rwt> programming language
[02:32] <Syliss> ah
[02:36] <rwt> See ya, got to go read some LabVIEW
[02:37] <l2trace99_> has any one had problems with konversation not displaying irc chat text ?
[02:40] <ner0x> Does anyone here actually know anything about kubuntu?
[02:42] <Lord_Drachenblut> ner0x: what's the question
[03:01] <genii> Apparently there isn't one
[03:01] <giz> tjirp tjirp LOL
[03:05] <criss> hi all
[03:05] <giz> hi criss
[03:06] <criss> whats the minimum sys requirements for ubuntu 9.10?
[03:06] <pickles> that its turned on
[03:06] <criss> i just downloaded it now but not seeming to get it installed
[03:06] <criss> haha
[03:06] <RenatoSilva> how to increase screen resolution in VirtualBox for Kubuntu up from 800x600? That's the max value available in KDE config.
[03:07] <RenatoSilva> VirtualBox is buggy btw
[03:07] <pickles> criss: its a bootable cd.  make sure your system can boot from a cd rom, place it in the tray, hit restart, follow instructions
[03:07] <criss> its not going giving some error cant find suitable filesystem
[03:08] <criss> i have 2 hdd in the pc 1 has windows on it ... the other has ubuntu 6.04
[03:08] <genii> criss: Generally speaking... MIN: 256Mb RAM, 6Gb hd space, Pentium 3 or better
[03:08] <asif> Hello
[03:09] <pickles> that would be with a standard gnome desktop
[03:09] <pickles> with xubuntu you could do with far less for example
[03:09] <pickles> but what genii said is about right, maybe 512 megs of ram
[03:10] <criss> okay... hmm
[03:10] <pickles> criss: so you reboot yoru box with the cd in and what happens?
[03:10] <criss> it brings up the start up screen of the cd where you either run from CD or install ubuntu
[03:10] <criss> after selecting install ubuntu
[03:10] <criss> it shows the white logo for a bit
[03:10] <criss> then goes blank and then shoots out that error
[03:11] <criss> cant find suitable filesystem
[03:12] <genii> For testing purposes i have a Pentium 2-400Mhz, 6Gb hd, 256Mb box. Kubuntu runs on it, but not very well
[03:14] <Spurs_> n #xubuntu
[03:14] <criss> i think ill try the cd in a other machine and take it from there im almost certain its just the pc i have lol ...
[03:28] <^peter^> Could some one please give me a pointer to figure out where to access newly installed programs which have not shown up in the K menu
[03:30] <CupofDice> How should I go about adding space (10gb) from my /home to my Root? already got partition manager installed, but i don't want to screw anything up
[03:31] <claydoh> ^peter^: depends, a little. some apps are non-graphical so you run them by typing the name in a Konsole window
[03:32] <claydoh> ^peter^: also you try typing in the name in krunner (alt-f2)
[03:39] <^peter^> claydoh   many thanks for that.  Bit embarrassing a I ;oaded a lot of programs, so will go back to the installer to get their proper names.
[03:40] <claydoh> ^peter^: sometimes an app may not show up until logout and re-login
[03:41] <claydoh> any particular apps?
[03:41] <^peter^> claydoh ah that may be the clue as I have not logged out since installing.
[03:42] <seisers>  does anybody have any experience with video capture cards?  I'm trying to get a hauppage wintv hvr 2250 to work, but no luck so far
[03:50] <prakash_> hello
[03:58] <epicreviews> I need help getting Amarok working, but I'm in Ubuntu, not Kubuntu. I need to install some KDE library I think, but I can't remember what it is.
[03:59] <kisuke> dear god how do turn off the sparkles??????????????????????????
[03:59] <kisuke> you*
[04:00] <kisuke> epicreviews use synaptic package manager
[04:01] <epicreviews> kisuke: I'm in synaptic, installing Amarok alone won't make it work.
[04:01] <kisuke> epicreviews one min need to switch
[04:01] <cucaraxo> hola hola kubunteros
[04:02] <cucaraxo> como esta la version 9.10 de la distro?
[04:02] <_nix_> sparkles?
[04:03] <cucaraxo> yes
[04:07] <_nix_> how do you stop konqueror from prompting for additional packages for multimedia functionality?
[04:07] <kisuke> epicreviews: there should be a box that comes up and asks if you want to install dependeces
[04:08] <epicreviews> kisuke: did that, still doesn't work
[04:10] <epicreviews> kisuke: what all mp3 codecs, etc. do I need?
[04:10] <epicreviews> just to make sure I have them
[04:11] <kisuke> epicreviews: what were you tring to install
[04:11] <epicreviews> just amarok
[04:12] <epicreviews> do I need something like libsnack2 or libsnack2-alsa?
[04:12] <kisuke> weird try to reinstall it and post the terminal output to http://paste.ubuntu.org and post a link here
[04:13] <epicreviews> that's not the problem
[04:13] <epicreviews> I remember I had to install a package
[04:13] <epicreviews> I had this exact problem last time I set up Ubuntu
[04:13] <kisuke> where was it from?
[04:13] <epicreviews> I don't remember >_<
[04:14] <kisuke> and it was k<something> right?
[04:14] <epicreviews> I think so
[04:14] <epicreviews> I _think_ it was KDE related
[04:14] <kisuke> how did you get it?
[04:14] <epicreviews> synaptic
[04:14] <epicreviews> I was doing like I am now: installing everything I can
[04:16] <kisuke> do you want a side of fail sause with that order?
[04:16] <epicreviews> hey it worked last time
[04:16] <kisuke> if you do that things will conflict, i llearned that the hard way
[04:17] <epicreviews> well what should I do
[04:17] <cucaraxo> hi
[04:17] <epicreviews> can I run Amarok in terminal, think that would help?
[04:17] <kisuke> try "sudo build-dep <insert amarok package name here>
[04:17] <kisuke> epicreviews: yes and then post the out put please
[04:18] <cucaraxo> help me of xampp in linux kubuntu system
[04:18] <epicreviews> ok lots of errors, lemme pastebin
[04:18] <kisuke> cucaraxo: what exact ly is the problem
[04:19] <kisuke> !amarok
[04:19] <kisuke> !fail
[04:19] <kisuke> sure
[04:19] <kisuke> !info amarok
[04:20] <epicreviews> here ya go kisuke: http://epiccyndaquil.pastebin.ca/1669333
[04:21] <epicreviews> line 62+ appeared after I started trying to play something
[04:21] <kisuke> what is xmlid?
[04:21] <epicreviews> no clue.
[04:21] <kisuke> !info xmlid
[04:21] <epicreviews> wonderful.
[04:21] <kisuke> !botfail
[04:22] <kisuke> !botpackagesearchfail
[04:22] <kisuke> !die
[04:22] <epicreviews> ANYWAY
[04:22] <kisuke> sorry bot=stress releif
[04:22] <kisuke> googleing now
[04:23] <epicreviews> same
[04:23] <epicreviews> XML doc stuff?
[04:23] <kisuke> looks like searching w/in amarok
[04:24] <epicreviews> so what do I do :P
[04:24] <kisuke> ?
[04:24] <epicreviews> how do I fix it
[04:25] <kisuke> charming
[04:25] <kisuke> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/amarok/2009-July/008838.html
[04:26] <epicreviews> heh
[04:26] <kisuke> BTW you have any idea how i KILL the sparkles in KDE?
[04:26] <epicreviews> well I know I installed something in synaptics
[04:26] <epicreviews> I'm a gnome guy
[04:27] <kisuke> so am i gnome dont see my keyboard so kde it is
[04:27] <kisuke> quit rather
[04:27] <epicreviews> strange
[04:27] <kisuke> tell me about it
[04:27] <epicreviews> well I think it has something to do with decoding the files with KDE somehow
[04:28] <kisuke> works, goes to hibernate and i cant even unlock it
[04:28] <epicreviews> well I have to press power button to wake from hibernate/sleep
[04:28] <kisuke> that is my guess one min lest me look up xmlid in synaptic
[04:28] <epicreviews> already tried
[04:28] <epicreviews> nothign
[04:28] <kisuke> so do i hone it doesnes of times
[04:29] <kisuke> is ti your skin?
[04:29] <epicreviews> think I need to install kdebase-plasma?
[04:29] <kisuke> it*
[04:30] <epicreviews> shouldn't be, gives me an error about playback
[04:30] <kisuke> try it it might work do you have phonon installed?
[04:30] <epicreviews> I'll check that in a min
[04:31] <epicreviews> ok plasma seemed to make it look smoother, but still doesn't work >_<
[04:31] <epicreviews> got phonon
[04:31] <epicreviews> think I need python bindings for it?
[04:31] <epicreviews> or gstreamer backend?
[04:32] <epicreviews> I have xine backend installed
[04:33]  * epicreviews makes a note to self: WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING FROM NOW ON
[04:34] <epicreviews> w00t I crashed Amarok
[04:34] <epicreviews> because of my own stupidity, had nothing to do with installed packages
[04:36] <kisuke> lulz
[04:37] <kisuke> gotta go good luck
[04:43] <ubuntu_> hi everyone , I need help with grub2 ..., I resized a windows partition and now I get a grub error ...
[04:43] <ubuntu_> there is a simple way to reconfigure grub2 automatically ?
[04:44] <bazhang> !grub2 | ubuntu_
[04:45] <user__> Pop quiz: Fstab doesn't mount a drive that Dolphin happily mounts in one click. Most likely candidate package for a bug report is...?
[04:49] <ner0x> My time is really off, how can I set it appropriately?
[04:52] <MrPenguins> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=775540
[04:52] <MrPenguins> Seems goofy, and this may have changed since 2008
[04:56] <MrPenguins> ner0x - are you sure the timezone is correctly set? That's the first thing to check and is easy to change
[04:56] <ner0x> MrPenguins: It is, I've fixed the problem. :)
[04:57] <MrPenguins> Cool. Do share.
[04:58] <MrPenguins> Gah! Right there in System Settings!
[04:58] <MrPenguins> "Date and Time"
[04:58]  * MrPenguins rolls eyes
[04:59] <ner0x> Yeah, I thought it would be harder.
[04:59] <MrPenguins> :)
[04:59] <ner0x> I guess they are really dumbing down GUIs now-a-days.
[04:59] <ner0x> Or at least the people using them. :)
[04:59] <MrPenguins> Soon we'll be Gn*me ;-)
[05:00] <MrPenguins> In my day you had to recompile the text editor to alter your config file to even *think* about changing the time! ;-)
[05:00] <ner0x> You're old?
[05:00] <MrPenguins> No, I'm full of ****. :)
[05:01] <ner0x> Often the same. hah
[05:01] <MrPenguins> lol
[05:01] <ner0x> I just got rid of my win box.
[05:02] <MrPenguins> \o/
[05:02] <ner0x> I'm doing more and more development these days. Just easier this way.
[05:02] <MrPenguins> I'd call that a win!
[05:02] <ner0x> Well I've been using linux for years.
[05:02] <ner0x> Definitely my favorite. But now there's a need for it, which is nice.
[05:02] <MrPenguins> I kicked the MS habit around 2006
[05:03] <MrPenguins> Never looked back
[05:03] <MrPenguins> Loads more fun people here :)
[05:04] <ner0x> Well yeah, unfortunately I needed it for school.
[05:04] <MrPenguins> *sigh*
[05:04] <MrPenguins> Or, your school needs a re-education. :)
[05:04] <ner0x> It was an 3d modeling major.
[05:04] <ner0x> And blender wasn't going to cut it.
[05:05] <MrPenguins> Heh. I did my masters in 3d
[05:05] <MrPenguins> Seriously though, what do you find seriously missing from Max / Maya?
[05:05] <MrPenguins> (ok Houdini has cool stuff going for it)
[05:05] <ner0x> Well, the fact my professors only accepted max files.
[05:05] <ner0x> Probably what it was missing. :)
[05:05] <MrPenguins> lol
[05:06] <MrPenguins> Theres a guy developing voxel modelling in Blender at the moment
[05:06] <MrPenguins> Same guy that added volumetrics
[05:08] <ner0x> I liked modeling.
[05:09]  * ner0x <3's programming though.
[05:09] <MrPenguins> More of an animator myself. Mel script was pretty sweet tho
[05:09] <ner0x> Ew.
[05:10] <MrPenguins> lol
[05:10] <ner0x> I will disagree with you there.
[05:10] <ner0x> It's cool... unless you're programmed before.
[05:10] <MrPenguins> I just liked that you could just grab it and drag it to a gui element. Not much of a programmer myself. ;)
[05:10] <ner0x> Then it's like trying to kill a T-Rex with a butter knife.
[05:10] <MrPenguins> roflol
[05:10] <MrPenguins> I'd take 'im!
[05:11] <MrPenguins> The less programming I have to do the happier I am.
[05:11] <MrPenguins> I'm glad other people like it though. :)
[05:18] <ner0x> Yeah, it's a hobby that ends up being what you want to do with your life.
[05:18] <ner0x> Coincidentally I started a website design company.
[05:18] <ner0x> And I meet with my first client Thursday.
[05:18] <ner0x> So.... I have to go work on some concepts.
[05:19] <MrPenguins> lol. I didn't *want* to get into webdesign, but there's so much demand for it it's kind of hard to avoid...
[05:19] <MrPenguins> k have fun!
[05:19] <ner0x> I'l be around. Goodnight.
[05:19] <MrPenguins> later!
[05:21] <ner0x> Well, I guess I have a few questions for you.
[05:21] <ner0x> Since your in web design.
[05:22] <ner0x> I find myself having a very hard time picking the colors for a layout.
[05:22] <ner0x> I can lay out what I want, mark up, validate, css, javascript, etc.
[05:22] <MrPenguins> Well, are you using an app to help, like Agave, or modelling other sites designs?
[05:22] <ner0x> When it comes to making the colors go together. It just doesn't work. Any suggestions.
[05:22] <MrPenguins> Sometimes just browsing monster template can help
[05:23] <MrPenguins> Knowing colour theories pretty important, too.
[05:23] <ner0x> I know the complimentary, tetrad, etc.
[05:24] <MrPenguins> Checkout the package "Agave" though. That can show you how some of the most common colour patterns work
[05:24] <MrPenguins> Generally though it can help to get an idea of the feel you want to get across and just look up that word on somewhere like Deviant art
[05:24] <ner0x> rhttp://www.colorschemedesigner.com/
[05:25] <ner0x> Is typically what I use to get a "scheme" together.
[05:25] <ner0x> I just never use it appropriately.
[05:25] <MrPenguins> Neat. Hadn't seen that one.
[05:25] <ner0x> That one is incredible.
[05:26] <ner0x> You'll be thanking me, especially if you do web design.
[05:26] <MrPenguins> You have to adjust colours too for perception. EG a larger area will look brighter and more saturated than a small one.
[05:26] <ner0x> I have a lot to learn.
[05:26] <MrPenguins> It *is* pretty cool, I have to say :)
[05:27] <MrPenguins> Don't we all. :)
[05:27] <ner0x> That and making banners.
[05:27] <MrPenguins> I wouldn't get too hung on numbers though. Find cool art that gets the feel youre looking for across and look at the colours they use
[05:28] <ner0x> Well, I'm not sure what to charge for this either. :-/
[05:28] <ner0x> Any.. um.. Ideas what is fair?
[05:28] <MrPenguins> What exactly are yyou doing
[05:28] <MrPenguins> Template from scratch?
[05:28] <MrPenguins> Coding?
[05:28] <MrPenguins> Just installing pre-made stuff?
[05:29] <ner0x> Well, depends. I don't have any templates, so I'll be coding the website, designing, and setting it up on my own host.
[05:29] <MrPenguins> Coding from scratch, or using something like Joomla / Drupal?
[05:29] <ner0x> Catalyst
[05:30] <MrPenguins> I undercharged about thew firt 20 times
[05:30] <luis_> Hello I have problems with bluetooth: The icon appears in gray and doesn't let me do nothing, My acer aspire bluetooth button does anything: Instead of turning bluetooth on, the volume bar appears, wtf? need help pls
[05:30] <MrPenguins> Mainly from "thinking" that I understood the client, and that they understood me
[05:31] <MrPenguins> Make sure that *every* detail is in writing. Even the obvious stuff. Especially what happens *when* it takes longer than anticipated and what happens if they add stuff
[05:31] <MrPenguins> (they always do)
[05:31] <White_Pelican> I need help with configuring kmail for kde 4. I am running karmic
[05:31] <ner0x> MrPenguins: I'm typically going to ask a flat rate, then a rate to host.
[05:31] <ner0x> For exmaple $300 for the site, $50 a month to host.
[05:32] <MrPenguins> OK, if you're going flat make sure *everything* is in the written agreement
[05:32] <MrPenguins> Projects always get larger and you don't want to end up working for peanuts
[05:32] <MrPenguins> This happens *very* often!
[05:32] <ner0x> MrPenguins: This is a site project really.
[05:32] <luis_> Hello I have problems with bluetooth: the icon appears in gray and doesn't let me do nothing. My acer aspire 4520 bluetooth button does anything: Instead of turning bluetooth on, the volume bar appears, wtf? need help pls
[05:32] <MrPenguins> Every project grows when it starts./ Just make sure its defined.
[05:33] <ner0x> MrPenguins: So you think and hourly charge should be applied for "extras"
[05:33] <MrPenguins> Trust me. I've ended up working for $1/hr because of this on a flat rate :(
[05:33] <MrPenguins> Definitely!
[05:33] <MrPenguins> You just need to have written *precisely* what is "in scope"
[05:33] <ner0x> Reasonable hourly rate is what?
[05:33] <White_Pelican> can some help or point me to the appropriate channel?
[05:33] <MrPenguins> standard is often $50-$60/hr
[05:34] <MrPenguins> If you'rew starting out a bit less
[05:34] <ner0x> White_Pelican: #kde might help
[05:34] <ner0x> MrPenguins: I was going to go $25
[05:34] <ner0x> Until my work starts being worth $50
[05:34] <MrPenguins> Sure. It's your first job
[05:34] <MrPenguins> Thats reasonable
[05:34] <luis_> Hello I have problems with bluetooth: the icon appears in gray and doesn't let me do nothing. My acer aspire 4520 bluetooth button does anything: Instead of turning bluetooth on, the volume bar appears, wtf? need help pls
[05:34] <ner0x> MrPenguins: Fortunately, as well, my clients won't know anything about the internet or websites, for that matter.
[05:35] <MrPenguins> Just make sure the job is well defined. I can't say that enough...
[05:35] <MrPenguins> The non-technical clients always think everything is just "push a button to change everything"
[05:35] <ner0x> MrPenguins: Not that I would attempt to screw over a client. But their expectations are *much* lower than say, your average company.
[05:36] <MrPenguins> ner0x: Sure. I work with people I trust, but it's not about that. It's about making sure everyone understands each other
[05:36] <MrPenguins> ner0x: Some of my best friends have been my worst customers
[05:36] <ner0x> MrPenguins: Fortunately I work in construction.
[05:36] <ner0x> I know how to "clearly define" what is in my scope of work. :)
[05:37] <MrPenguins> Excellent. That's honestly the #1 thing of all :)
[05:37] <ner0x> I own www.kylondesign.com
[05:37] <ner0x> Notice how it's empty.
[05:37] <MrPenguins> lol! I just put up the new Krita site at krita.org
[05:37] <MrPenguins> Still needs some work...
[05:38] <MrPenguins> Is kylon anything to do with Battle Star Galactica?
[05:38] <ner0x> MrPenguins: That's Cylon. :)
[05:39] <MrPenguins> I know. Just wondering if thats where the idea came from...
[05:43] <ner0x> No, no idea really.
[05:44] <ner0x> Eventually I'll just have premade templates and it'll be sort of "plug n play"
[05:45] <MrPenguins> Eventually? You can usually find and modify free ones quickly enough.
[05:45] <MrPenguins> Sometimes it is faster to build from scratch though.
[05:45] <ner0x> Where?
[05:45] <MrPenguins> I usually just Google it as it changes
[05:46] <MrPenguins> I'm a big fan of using as much pre-made as possible :)
[05:46] <MrPenguins> Krita.org is a modified free template I found
[05:47] <MrPenguins> "colourfall" from memory
[05:47] <ner0x> Really? It's awesome. Where did you get it from.
[05:47] <ner0x> I need to learn how to do that.
[05:47] <MrPenguins> There's also open source web design, but their templates are pretty meh
[05:48] <MrPenguins> Uh, dont remember. Some site I found on Google. There's hundreds.
[05:48] <MrPenguins> Even if you take a template from another piece of software and strip it.
[05:50] <ner0x> Open Source are kind of meh.
[05:50] <MrPenguins> Indeed.
[05:51] <ner0x> Is it theft if I use the layout and change all the content?
[05:51] <jlangston> What is the name of the linux based software to check on computer problems, cpu and stuff?  It's a linux based boot cd you can download ?  There are two of them and I dont' remember the names of either
[05:51] <MrPenguins> You can't really copyright a layout.
[05:52] <ner0x> jlangston: memtest86 for memory
[05:52] <MrPenguins> Just don't use their code
[05:52] <MrPenguins> Look at what they do and reverse engineer your own version
[05:52] <jlangston> In fact, you can not copyright a layout.  See apple .vs. microsoft "lisa interface"
[05:52] <jlangston> It was established you can not copy right "look and feel"
[05:52] <ner0x> MrPenguins: I wouldn't even, especially if it's a technology based site. Catalyst would have to do things differently.
[05:52] <MrPenguins> Amazon have tried. They've never really tried to enforce it though
[05:53] <ner0x> Alright, well I have a lot of work to do.
[05:53] <ner0x> Thanks for all of your help.
[05:53] <jlangston> ner0x that wasn't one of the ones I heard of
[05:53] <jlangston> it was like a linux boot cd with all kinds of utilities on it.  somehere in here told me today when I was on other machine
[05:53] <MrPenguins> no problems and good luck. Just remember *defined* and *in writing!*
[05:53] <jlangston> one started with a g like grfx or something
[05:53] <jlangston> the other was soemthing long started with s I think, 2 words then small word
[05:54] <jlangston> google didn't help me much, too many hits
[05:55] <ner0x> MrPenguins: Thanks.
[05:55] <ner0x> Goodnight all.
[05:55] <MrPenguins> no problem
[05:55] <MrPenguins> night!
[06:00] <jlangston> anyone been on all day who wants to search back for "Serpardum"? :D
[06:00] <jlangston> that is who I was logged in as
[06:07] <luis_> Hello I have problems with bluetooth: the icon appears in gray and doesn't let me do nothing. My acer aspire 4520 bluetooth button does anything: Instead of turning bluetooth on, the volume bar appears, wtf? need help pls
[06:14] <tweek> hey i have a question guys... is there any cmd prompt type deals where i can check all connneced computer to my network?
[06:21] <tweek> is anyone here?
[06:27] <jussi01> no :D
[06:27] <luis_> Hello I have problems with bluetooth: the icon appears in gray and doesn't let me do nothing. My acer aspire 4520 bluetooth button does anything: Instead of turning bluetooth on, the volume bar appears, wtf? need help pls
[06:31] <tweek> how can i net stat to see my vpn?
[06:31] <tweek> with kubuntu
[06:47] <luis_> Hello I have problems with bluetooth: the icon appears in gray and doesn't let me do nothing. My acer aspire 4520 bluetooth button does anything: Instead of turning bluetooth on, the volume bar appears, wtf? need help pls
[07:06] <kluged> anyone want to solve my problem..?  :)  lol..
[07:09] <kluged> I'll take that as a no... in that case, if i have one computer with ubuntu/samba running, and another with kubuntu, shouldn't i be able to access my files on the samba server?
[07:17] <jussi01> kluged: yes.
[07:18] <jussi01> kluged: open dolphin, then smb://addressofserver
[07:18] <jussi01> theres also a samba browser, but Im not sure if it works as I never use it.
[07:26] <avihay> tweek: netstat was originally a unix program
[07:29] <kluged> Thanks Jussi!  i attempted, it's not bringing anything up and says 'timeout on server' at the bottom
[07:30] <kluged> same thing happens when i go through the Network folder/link at left.  i see the windows domain but nothing inside
[07:30] <kluged> (and it's working currently from a windows box)
[07:37] <kluged> Hey, you rhyme with purple!
[07:39] <yang__> What is the pulse audio server good for ?
[07:39] <yang__> I just removed it, because of a browser sound issue
[07:40] <kluged> i've only heard of Alsa mixer
[07:40] <kluged> "PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform, networked sound server commonly used on Linux operating systems. It is intended to be an improved drop-in replacement for the Enlightened Sound Daemon (ESD)."
[07:40] <kluged> <-wikipedia :P
[07:43] <yang__> haha yeah i read ubuntu article about it
[07:43] <danny_is_on_irc> Question: (new to linux in general) I have a php script to create image gallery from a folder of folders of images. Problem is, whenever I paste a new folder (gallery) in, php can't create the thumbs directory inside. Error is cause of permissions I've found out. When I explicitly set permissions it works, so how can I either a: grant permissions to "www-data" (the 'owner' of thumbs) or make the parent directory's permi
[07:43] <yang__> it would be nice to leave but its current config is causing no sound
[07:44] <yang__> chown -R user directory
[07:44] <danny_is_on_irc> i was just reading about chown
[07:44] <danny_is_on_irc> Will that affect all the new folders I paste in too?
[07:44] <yang__> affects directory and sub directories
[07:44] <yang__> future and now
[07:45] <danny_is_on_irc> sweet. its future I'm concerned with. (Having to apply permissions manually would defeat purpose of non-SQL image gallery i'm trying to run)
[07:45] <kluged> i had sound issues back in ubuntu 7 on an older computer, had to twiddle with Alsa mixer a bunch.  i think driver issues are beating down linux..
[07:45] <yang__> right haha . well you should be good
[07:45] <danny_is_on_irc> so I can just type:   chown -R /etc/whatever/thisfolder     right?
[07:46] <yang__> yupp
[07:46] <danny_is_on_irc> thanks a bunch!
[07:46] <yang__> chown -R /var/www www-data
[07:47] <yang__> o lol backwards chown -R wwww /var/www
[07:47] <yang__> but anyway kluged
[07:48] <yang__> Pulse Audio  nice to have but problems with config. Tried purging and reinstalling no effect. .. hmm .what do you think?
[07:49] <kluged> oh, i'm no expert.  i keep running into issues like that...like installing new linux drivers for a comman video card, then having no video at all :P
[07:49] <kluged> i'd probably just leave it off though
[07:49] <yang__> for now lol
[07:49] <yang__> so i noticed support on IRC is lacking
[07:49] <kluged> my audio issue was fixed in a new version of ubuntu.
[07:49] <kluged> then it was broken again
[07:50] <kluged> then fixed...
[07:50] <yang__> last time 2 times i have come with issues i have got get a ubuntu compat pc switch windows buy new printer
[07:50] <yang__> ubuntu 9.10 fixed sound issue for me haha
[07:51] <kluged> :)  it's so frustrating though
[07:51] <kluged> i was looking at netbooks and finding only Windoze pre-installed ones
[07:52] <yang__> dell sells preinstalled ubuntu
[07:52] <kluged> finally found that Dell sells their mini 10v w/ ubuntu
[07:52] <yang__> yeah haha
[07:52] <yang__> but wish more support from community. i try when i can
[07:53] <kluged> really, i've got tons of legal ways to get full versions of windows.  i don't want to pay again for a new oem license
[07:54] <kluged> ha, then fry's ignores me for a half-hour and finally tells me they don't sell without windows.  then they sell me the wrong ram :(
[07:54] <yang__> nice
[07:54] <yang__> I like dells open source thing
[07:55] <yang__> the reason they wont discount you is OEMS pay $50 a license
[07:55] <kluged> same here.  they don't offer the same computer options with it
[07:55] <yang__> you say no windows . they cant do more than $50 then they have overhead costs to get rid of license stickers + OS
[07:55] <kluged> yea, i've heard of ways to get out of the microsoft tax but what a pain in the arse
[07:55] <yang__> yeh haha
[07:56] <yang__> im done with windows tho.
[07:56] <kluged> that's why we need lobbyists
[07:56] <yang__> Training for OSX , Windows 2008 and Linux though
[07:56] <danny_is_on_irc> yuck! I got a ton of "chown: changing ownership of *; operation not permitted" errors
[07:56] <kluged> nice.  i have things i need on windows though
[07:56] <yang__> sudo chown -R user /dir
[07:56] <kluged> Haiku is looking ok
[07:56] <yang__> the sudo makes you root and allows you to have the athority to do that
[07:56] <danny_is_on_irc> will that remove my permissions btw?
[07:57] <yang__> its like administrator mode
[07:57] <yang__> no.
[07:57] <yang__> -R stands for recursive
[07:57] <danny_is_on_irc> k. brb. Thanks again.
[07:57] <kluged> you're changing which user owns the directories
[07:57] <yang__> i wish my problems were that simple plus help lol
[07:57] <yang__> yeh i have been ubuntu for 2 years now
[07:58] <yang__> no training and very basic trouble shooting ability haha
[07:58] <yang__> but i have been tech support for ever
[07:59] <kluged> nice, that's probably the only way to get good at this..
[07:59] <yang__> haha . So dell ubuntu PC's are expensive
[07:59] <yang__> i would rather build my own at that cost
[08:00] <yang__> $1089 for 3GB ram and a 2 core 2 GHZ proc
[08:00] <kluged> yea, but netbooks can't really be built from scratch
[08:00] <Smurphy> yang__: I don't buy at dell. In germany there is a shop called alternate (Online), they are working together with computer magazines, and they built state of the art machines, with good cpomponents, and a low price.
[08:00] <yang__> to bad im america haha
[08:00] <Smurphy> :)
[08:01] <yang__> thats okay i like to build PC's haha
[08:01] <Smurphy> Netbooks ? Who needs a netbook ? I have an old 6310i Nokia phone, and an iPod touch ... that is my Netbook :D
[08:01] <yang__> i hate netbook idea. to small
[08:01] <Smurphy> yang__: did that too for years - but they build it, test it, and it's even cheaper for me that way :)
[08:01] <yang__> and i dont have money for a netbook + laptop haha
[08:01] <danny_is_on_irc> well... that command worked. But now I can't paste new folders in there. (is there a way to just make it public?)
[08:01] <yang__> give your self permission
[08:02] <yang__> add your self to the group
[08:02] <yang__> or change the group to you
[08:02] <yang__> chgrp -R username /folder
[08:03] <danny_is_on_irc> k. brb.
[08:03] <yang__> chmod -R g+rwx
[08:03] <yang__> chmod -R g+rwx /dir*
[08:03] <danny_is_on_irc> woa. are these separate steps
[08:03] <yang__> yes
[08:03] <Smurphy> ok - work is calling. going to stealth mode ...
[08:03] <yang__> haha
[08:04] <yang__> o srry the last to wernt the chmod is only one srry
[08:05] <yang__> he will be back lol
[08:05] <danny_is_on_irc> So i'll need to add user "www-data" and then add www-data to group?
[08:05] <yang__> im killin myselfs lol i has work 2moro in 8 hours. need sleep
[08:06] <yang__> there should already be www-data
[08:06] <yang__> if you change the owner
[08:06] <yang__> so if there is a group then you can add urself
[08:06] <yang__> but i would just change the gruop on the files to your username if your the only to use it
[08:07] <danny_is_on_irc> I took back permissions. Is there a cmd line to add www-data to the group that I'm in?
[08:07] <yang__> you mean add your self to the www group
[08:07] <yang__> can you do me a favor. run ls -l dirname
[08:08] <yang__> and can you paste the top part where is says dir rxrxrxw asdfajsd ....
[08:09] <danny_is_on_irc> yea. its on a dif. machiine but I'll type it.
[08:09] <yang__> i dont need all of the output just online
[08:10] <danny_is_on_irc> drwxr-xrwx  3  danny  danny  <numbers> <date> <foldername>
[08:10] <yang__> okay you should be able to edit that file
[08:11] <yang__> can you run ls -l /dir-adove-dir | grep "dir" and past the output it should be like "wwww-data" in there along wit rwxrwx---
[08:11] <Smurphy> danny_is_on_irc: That is a very bad ownership on your directory ... World has write access ...
[08:12] <yang__> so if the directory was /var/www then ls -l /var/ | grep "www"
[08:12] <kluged> yang__: gonna reboot, may be back.  have a good one!
[08:12] <yang__> kluged: you 2 haha
[08:13] <danny_is_on_irc> thanks
[08:13] <yang__> thanks?
[08:13] <danny_is_on_irc> yea.
[08:14] <yang__> working or what/
[08:14] <danny_is_on_irc> no not yet
[08:15] <yang__> so did you get the permissions of that directory
[08:15] <danny_is_on_irc> saw that you had work soon. Feel free to bail. I should be reading documentation to learn a bit anyhoo
[08:15] <yang__> o no haha
[08:15] <yang__> gunna help you out first
[08:15] <danny_is_on_irc> actually everythings in my home dir
[08:15] <yang__> so what user needs access to files?
[08:16] <yang__> is security a concern?
[08:16] <danny_is_on_irc> danny/web_alias/shampoo/imagefolders
[08:16] <danny_is_on_irc> actually no
[08:16] <yang__> you only?
[08:16] <danny_is_on_irc> I'm just trying to give PHP access
[08:16] <yang__> php gets access though www-data?
[08:16] <danny_is_on_irc> mkdir() was failing and my Image gallery script wasn't working
[08:17] <yang__> right because PHP doesn't have write access to the /imagefolders
[08:17] <danny_is_on_irc> well... it makes a thumbs folder if one isn't already there. And permissions says www-data on it
[08:17] <yang__> okay.
[08:18] <danny_is_on_irc> everything works when i manually set permissions recursivly... but the point of this is to make creating a new gallery page as simple as dropping a folder in
[08:18] <yang__> right
[08:18] <danny_is_on_irc> and new folders by default havn't had the permissions necesary
[08:18] <yang__> so what we can do it add you and www-data as permisions
[08:18] <yang__> you as group and www-data as owner
[08:19] <yang__> then set permissions for both of you
[08:19] <danny_is_on_irc> do I have to add www-data as a group member of danny (my group)?
[08:20] <yang__> no
[08:20] <yang__> first to commands
[08:20] <yang__> chown -R www-data ~/web_alias/shampoo/imagefolders
[08:20] <yang__> chgrp -R danny ~/web_alias/shampoo/imagefolders
[08:20] <FloodBotK2> yang__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:21] <danny_is_on_irc> i'll give that a shot
[08:21] <yang__> chmod -R u+rwx ~/web_alias/shampoo/imagefolders
[08:21] <yang__> chmod -R g+rwx ~/web_alias/shampoo/imagefolders
[08:22] <yang__> what all of this does is sets the owner as www-data, and you as the group, and gives you both full permisions to use the folder
[08:24] <danny_is_on_irc> k. did all that. Let me test a copy & paste folder, and refresh the php page. brb
[08:25] <yang__> moment of truth haha
[08:26] <danny_is_on_irc> aww...... error on php page load:   mkdir() ... Permission denied
[08:27] <danny_is_on_irc> oh. Is it noteworthy that the I'm doing all the folder copy/pastes through Samba?
[08:27] <yang__> do you want to run ls -l /dir-above-dir | grep "dirname" again so we can se permissions
[08:27] <yang__> potentially haha
[08:28] <yang__> first though are permissions correct for linux though haha
[08:30] <Creap> When I booted up KDE, I got some error regarding .ICEAuthority permissions. I had to start failsafe and remove it to be able to start KDE.
[08:30] <yang__> Danny?
[08:30] <danny_is_on_irc> some are different than others
[08:30] <Creap> Is that known? Why does it happen?
[08:31] <yang__> that line should have given you one line of output
[08:31] <danny_is_on_irc> here: drwxrwxrwx  3  www-data danny
[08:31] <yang__> that looks more than rite
[08:31] <yang__> infact any one at all can rite to that directory
[08:31] <danny_is_on_irc> i might have messed up. I took everything after | out
[08:31] <yang__> ahhh
[08:32] <yang__> thats why
[08:32] <yang__> dosn't matter
[08:32] <danny_is_on_irc> oh i think i found it!
[08:32] <yang__> everybody can rite to that directory
[08:32] <danny_is_on_irc> the file folder that I just pasted in is .... danny danny
[08:32] <yang__> intresting that samba cannot
[08:32] <yang__> did it show up there?
[08:33] <danny_is_on_irc> everything else in that directory is drw... www-data danny  ....
[08:33] <yang__> and the one you pasted is danny's
[08:33] <danny_is_on_irc> yea.
[08:33] <yang__> right because you own the file .
[08:33] <yang__> and php wont read it because you own it
[08:34] <danny_is_on_irc> line looks liek this:   drwxr-xr-x  2  danny  danny  4096 <date> <time> <foldername>
[08:34] <yang__> right . the first danny is the owner
[08:34] <yang__> the second danny is the group
[08:34] <yang__> what we want it to look like is www-data danny
[08:35] <yang__> witch the 4 commands did
[08:35] <yang__> but the problem is we have to run the  Chown -R command
[08:35] <yang__> we want to do this forever not one at a time
[08:35] <danny_is_on_irc> yea. that's just like setting the permissions manually like i was doing before.
[08:36] <danny_is_on_irc> Is there a public or "all-access" location in the filesystem that i can symlink to?
[08:36] <danny_is_on_irc> and use that instead?
[08:36] <yang__> hmm. i dont think so
[08:37] <danny_is_on_irc> These image galleries are back-ups (resized/optimized for web/etc) anyway
[08:37] <yang__> outside of you home directory you shouldn't have write access
[08:37] <danny_is_on_irc> Rats
[08:38] <yang__> trying to think of what to do permissions problem
[08:38] <yang__> umask maybe but thats horrrible security
[08:38] <broderic> hey everyone
[08:38] <broderic> :-D
[08:39] <broderic> can someone help
[08:39] <broderic> me with my sound system problem
[08:40] <kluged> yang__: well i didn't get my problem solved but i gotta sleep.  i did get some kind of error message to look into though
[08:40] <szal> yang__: except for /tmp
[08:41] <yang__> using /tmp for web server sounds like a bad idea
[08:41] <szal> I didn't say to use that
[08:41] <yang__> cron job maybe that runs permissions change
[08:41] <yang__> delays ...
[08:41] <yang__> ACL?
[08:41] <yang__> kluged: o do you have flash problem?
[08:41] <szal> how about sticky bit?  I'm not that much into permissions that I knew what this does though..
[08:41] <yang__> kludged: ok cya
[08:42] <danny_is_on_irc> thanks again
[08:43] <yang__> danny this sounds like what you need:
[08:43] <yang__> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/applying-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-within-a-specific-folder-605129/
[08:43] <yang__> it uses ACL's
[08:43] <yang__> i have never set this up before , but i can at least point you the right direction
[08:43] <yang__> any way less than 7 hours before work
[08:43] <yang__> have fun i g2g
[08:47] <jack2005> ciao a tutti
[08:48] <jussi01> !it | jack2005
[08:49] <jack2005> ok tanks
[08:52] <seraphim_> hi all
[09:11] <kavurt> seraphim: is something wrong?
[09:51] <kaddi> hi,my system has been slowing down to a halt these last view days. It seems X is almost constantly using 40-70% of CPU and the remainder will be used by FF, Thunderbird or Amarok and konversation. I believe I have a rather new system (CPU 2.4GHz dualcore, 3Gb RAM) and I should be able to play videos without hanging, even if they are on youtube
[09:53] <kaddi> Can I continue using kde programs but switch only desktopmanager to improve things? use xfce or something?
[10:02] <ahox> kaddi, try to disable desktop effects
[10:08] <alokito> kwin effects are being so after I disable and re-enable it with alt+shift+f12 command
[10:08] <alokito> why is this happenning?
[10:08] <alokito> slow*
[10:09] <alokito> it's very smooth after startup, I have al geforce 9500 gt graphics
[10:10] <kaddi> ahox: I disabled desktop effects, there is some improvement, but it's still lingering about 30-50% of (each) CPU. It jumps up when I play a movie or do anything though
[10:11] <ahox> kaddi, what graphicsdriver do you use?
[10:11] <kaddi> What kind of machine would I need to be able to run KDE smoothely? The laptop is barely a year old
[10:11] <kaddi> intel drivers
[10:11] <alokito> hello? :-/
[10:11] <ahox> can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[10:11] <kaddi> yes
[10:11] <ahox> kaddi, this sounds rather good to me. I have kde on some 3-5 year old machines
[10:12] <ahox> And our netbooks and travellaptops run on kde, too...
[10:12] <kaddi> http://pastebin.com/f469f54c6
[10:12] <kaddi> I pastebined the entire log, I hope that's what you wanted
[10:13] <saintk> hiya, i am kinda new to Kubuntu desktop enviorment. I only have experiance in text. I just installed VNC trough the GUI package manager. Should i expect it now somewere in the "start" menu ?
[10:14] <kaddi> saintk: I would expect it to be in the start menu, but if it isn't you can add it yuorself, by editing the start menu editor
[10:16] <saintk> kaddi: in what section would you expect it to be?
[10:17] <kaddi> internet probably saintk
[10:18] <saintk> i think i found it, cheers!
[10:18] <kaddi> yw
[10:19] <ahox> kaddi, sry, I was AFK. Anyway, the GM965 is known to cause problems.
[10:19] <kaddi> so there's nothing I can do?
[10:20] <kaddi> is that a kde problem or a ubuntu problem?
[10:20] <ahox> that's a driver problem, so Xorg's. The bug has been put upstream
[10:20] <kaddi> I thought drivers were integrated into kernel recently (or I must have completely misunderstood some stuff... :p)
[10:21] <ahox> There may be a solution by now. I just remeber reading about it
[10:21] <kaddi> ah cool!
[10:21] <kaddi> that would be awesome
[10:21] <ahox> kaddi, partly they are. However, Xorg still does the 3D stuff and some more
[10:21] <ahox> sry, I remember reading about the problem, not the solution
[10:21] <kaddi> ok, good to know :)
[10:21] <kaddi> ah, lol... I was being to optimistic
[10:22] <ahox> So back to your original question. Using another windowmanager actually may help
[10:22] <kaddi> ah cool
[10:23] <ahox> Have you tried fluxbox?
[10:23] <kaddi> no, never heard of it
[10:25] <kaddi> so can I just download it and run it with a --replace or something and it'Ll start instead of kwin?
[10:25] <ahox> Or the xfce wm sounds good, too
[10:27] <ahox> kaddi, just type xfwm4 --replace
[10:30] <kaddi> ahox: I just downloaded fluxbox, gonna try that first. :) How do I stop kwin (and will it disconnect me from IRC?)
[10:31] <ahox> kaddi, you can kill kwin (kquitapp kwin) however be warned. Once you do this you do not have wm anymore, that is no more moving/selecting/minimizing etc windows anymore
[10:31] <ahox> so have konsole in front of you, close or at least minimize the other windows
[10:32] <ahox> then type in one line: kquitapp kwin; fluxbox
[10:32] <ahox> xfwm4 has the advantage that with the --replace switch you can replace another wm. kwin has the same
[10:32] <kaddi> k, thx. If someone thing goes wrong, you'll see me disconnect shortly ;)
[10:33] <saintk> does kubuntu have a default wirewall enabled or something?
[10:33] <iceroot> how to use firefox 3.x with kprinter-dialog?
[10:34] <||arifaX> i received ubuntu 9.10 via shipit. none of the cds shows if 32 or 64 bit on the cd or the booklet. any ideas? can someone clarify that out?
[10:37] <szal> saintk: if you want a wirewall, use Windows :P  their fw is more like a barb-wired fence ;)
[10:38] <BOZG> szal: Terrible joke :P
[10:38] <saintk> well i am more wondering because i cannot establish an outside connection
[10:39] <Tm_T> saintk: there's firewall but it's blocking nothing by default
[10:39] <saintk> ok thanks
[10:39] <saintk> and one more question, how do i switch to root if i wasnt asked during setup to enter a root pw? it only asked me to create a user account
[10:39] <Tm_T> !sudo | saintk
[10:40] <saintk> ah, so su root is no longer a permitted way to switch to root?
[10:41] <kaddi> don't ask what happened -.-
[10:41] <kaddi> I'm so stupid
[10:41] <szal> saintk: never was on *buntu
[10:41] <saintk> ah allright thanks
[10:41] <kaddi> fluxbox seems to lower CPU usage which is good. :) Still isn't really low though :/
[10:42] <kaddi> I'll check out the options and try xfce next :)
[10:42] <szal> saintk: if you want a 'real' root account, there are ways to do that (attention: unsupported), or use another distro ;)
[10:43] <kaddi> ahox: If I wanted to return to kwin can I just kwin --replace or do I need sudo kwin --replace? It tells me that a windowmanager is already running and kwin wouldn't be started
[10:44] <saintk> szal: cheers
[10:44] <ahox> just kwin --replace . It's an user process
[10:44] <kaddi> it replies: KWIN: A windowmanager seems to be runninng, KWin won't be started
[10:45] <ahox> fluxbox may not honour the --replace. So just do an killall fluxbox; kwin; some caution applies as before
[10:45] <saintk> what i dont get here. i installed VNC and i can open a local connection from kubuntu itself, the service works fine. I just cannot remotely connect to it (machine is on the same LAN and has proper network access). Also a portscan on the device doesnt show 5900 as open
[10:47] <ahmedtaufiq> i cannot download the updates, can any one help me on this issue
[10:47] <ahmedtaufiq> ??
[10:48] <kaddi> what happens when you try to download?
[10:49] <ahmedtaufiq> in the status bar, it say you have 43 bug fix updates
[10:49] <ahmedtaufiq> when i download it says, connection failled
[10:49] <ahmedtaufiq> however my internet connection is very good and fast
[10:50] <ahmedtaufiq> ??
[10:50] <kaddi> have you tried using a different server maybe? where do you connect to?
[10:50] <ahmedtaufiq> i dont know how to do this
[10:51] <ahmedtaufiq> can u tell me ?
[10:51] <kaddi> start kpackagekit, click on options, select "edit softare sources" and in the dropdown menu select a different server, preferably one that is close to you
[10:54] <zeltak> hi guys! anyone knows where one could dl the All the oxygen set in svg form?
[10:54] <kaddi> ahox: I tested fluxbox, kwin and xfwm4 and they have essentially the same cpu usage (without desktop effects for kwin)
[10:55] <kaddi> still might switch to aonother one... I think I like xfwm :)
[10:56] <ahmedtaufiq> thnx alot kaddi
[10:56] <kaddi> ahmedtaufiq: is it working now :)
[10:56] <ahmedtaufiq> i have selected main server
[10:56] <ahox> kaddi, hava  look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/419264
[10:56] <ahox> maybe this helps, but otherwise I am out of ideas.
[11:03] <||arifaX> I received ubuntu 9.10 via shipit. none of the cds shows if 32 or 64 bit on the cd or the booklet. any ideas? can someone clarify that out?
[11:03] <kaddi> ahox: stupid question: can I enable and use desktop effects with xfwm4?
[11:04] <ahox> I don't know xfwm.  I went to this page: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-retro and followed the instructions for adding the rep. I added the deb-lines for the ppa to sources.list, I imported the key. I did an sudo apt-get update and it is not fetching the lists from that ppa. Where did I go wrong?
[11:30] <vistakiller> geia
[11:48] <luiz> 1
[11:52] <caput> ,³,ün N 3ü
[11:53] <caput> can anyone reccomend an usb wireless dongle? bought the wrong one ...
[11:54] <jussi01> caput: the huwei ones work well last time I checked.
[11:54] <caput> found a list in wiki but would like to know if anyone has experience
[11:54] <jussi01> !hardware
[11:55] <loca|host> hello all
[11:55] <caput> cool thx!
[11:55] <loca|host> i've plugged a datashow to my notebook
[11:55] <loca|host> and i cant switch the output to it
[11:55] <loca|host> using the fn+screenswitch key
[11:57] <loca|host> how can i activate the dual monitor mode ?
[11:59] <ghostcube> hi
[12:04] <ikonia> hello
[12:11] <crash2k> why am i getting artifacts with kwin enabled?
[12:50] <iceroot> is there a way to use firefox 3.x with the dialog of kprinter?
[13:09] <ederico> hello, I'm running Kubuntu 9.10, I update it as soon as updates are available and after my latest update and the required restart I'm experiencing problems when I bootup and get to the login screen. Basically, keyboard, touchpad and mouse are not responding. Can anyone help, please? Thanks. :)
[13:21] <sil3nt|warri0r> hi
[13:21] <sil3nt|warri0r> i just updated to 9.10 from 9.04
[13:21] <sil3nt|warri0r> but now the sound is not working, i dont know how to chk for errors
[13:21] <sil3nt|warri0r> any help pzl
[13:23] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: Make sure you install the backport modules.
[13:24] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: through synaptic ?
[13:24] <Peace-> Hi
[13:25] <sil3nt|warri0r> i disable the pre-release updates in repositories
[13:26] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: how do i chk the sound ?
[13:27] <sil3nt|warri0r> Peace-: hi
[13:27] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: yes, through synaptic. make sure for your running kernel.
[13:28] <Smurphy> once installed, you reboot your system. It's kernel modules which need to be loaded, so if you don't know how to do it manually, you do it with a reboot.
[13:33] <amik> is there some way to make Konversation highlight the tab or notify when my nick is mentioned, even when the tab is currently open?
[13:36] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: my running kernel is 2.6.31-14-generic
[13:41] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: do i also need to enable the pre-release updates in repo ?
[13:56] <iceroot> someone managed firefox 3.x working with kprinter-dialog? kprinter as print-command is not working
[13:57] <iceroot> amik: use the OSD from konversation, it will popup a message if you are highlighted, also you can use a command like kdialog which will executed if someone is highlighting your nick (no matter in what tab)
[13:57] <ederico> hello, I'm running Kubuntu 9.10, I update it as soon as updates are available and after my latest update and the required restart I'm experiencing problems when I bootup and get to the login screen. Basically, keyboard, touchpad and mouse are not responding. Can anyone help, please? Thanks. :)
[13:59] <zhao> How can i install a simple chinese input method?
[14:01] <zhao> I use the Firefox ,but i can't use the Simple chinese input method.
[14:03] <zhao> but i can use it in  the other programs.
[14:04] <amik> iceroot: thanks. hope they integrate it with the new notification system soon :-)
[14:07] <infoitis> hello
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:22] <Smurphy> Yo mate ...
[14:35] <knap_> hello all
[14:36] <knap_> byeeee
[14:38] <legodude> hi everyone, a bunch of my plasma widgets aren't working, even simple ones like "notes," I get messages to the effect "could not find requested component: plasma_applet_notes"
[14:38] <legodude> this is on 9.10 with kde 4.3.3
[14:38] <basilic> ehllo trou
[14:38] <basilic> hello tous
[14:39] <Mamarok> !fr | basilic
[14:39] <basilic> soory
[14:39] <basilic> sorry
[14:39] <basilic> Hello every body
[14:39] <basilic> I want to know your Ram usage
[14:40] <basilic> I think to take 2 more Go of Ram, but when I see the system occupation, I never go over 1go of my 2
[14:40] <basilic> What's application use lot RAM?
[14:43] <xenthral> Hi, I was trying to upgrade from 9.04 but my internet connection crashed at some point and the process got stuck trying to download packages, I tried exiting it and restarting but now it says that some program is locking access to /lists/lock
[14:43] <xenthral> that is - /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[14:44] <basilic> goodbye everybody
[14:44] <xenthral> on the website it says that the tool would abort and restart on its on - it never did
[14:51] <NeKit> xulrunner-1.9.1: Зависит: libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3) но 3.12.2~rc1-0ubuntu2 будет установлен
[14:52] <NeKit> (Depends on... but .. will be installed)
[14:52] <xenthral_> Hi, I was trying to upgrade from 9.04 but my internet connection crashed at some point and the process got stuck trying to download packages, I tried exiting it and restarting but now it says that some program is locking access to var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[14:53] <BluesKaj> xenthral, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[14:55] <xenthral_> BluesKaj: I was under the impression the process was still running, thanks
[14:58] <BluesKaj> xenthral_, there is another command that opens frozen package downloads/installs when using a package manager or apt : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[14:58] <xenthral_> doesnt seem to have solved it though
[14:59] <xenthral_> upgrade tool still barks at me it can't get an exclusive lock
[14:59] <BluesKaj> run the other command i just posted above
[15:00] <xenthral_> "unable to get exclusive lock" - "this usually means that another package management application (like apt-get or aptitude) [is] already running. Please close that application first"
[15:00] <xenthral_> except, there isn't one
[15:00] <BluesKaj> or close the update-manager
[15:00] <xenthral_> it wasnt that one
[15:00] <xenthral_> it was called 'karmic'
[15:00] <xenthral_> thanks BluesKaj :)
[15:09] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: i installed the backports modules, but still no sound
[15:10] <sil3nt|warri0r> :(
[15:10] <sil3nt|warri0r> is there any specific backport kernel module i need to install
[15:18] <anton__> is it worth reporting that upgrading 9.04->9.10 killed my kde? (had to remove .kde)
[15:18] <sil3nt|warri0r> anton__: is ur snd working after upgrading ?
[15:19] <anton__> yeah, fine
[15:19] <anton__> though I also had to fix the initramfs as it didnt have lvm in it after first reboot
[15:19] <anton__> sil3nt|warri0r: puleaudio seems ok for me
[15:20] <BluesKaj> anton__, upgrading killed kde? Whay upgrade method did you use ?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> what
[15:20] <sil3nt|warri0r> anton__: my pulse nor alsa is working
[15:20] <anton__> BluesKaj: the kde upgrader widget (update-notifier ?)
[15:21] <BluesKaj> update-manager ?
[15:21] <sil3nt|warri0r> though vlc,xmms,audacious, mplayer playing audio/video (i can see the seek bar moving perfectly). that mean the player is playing the file (audio/video)
[15:21] <anton__> sil3nt|warri0r: I had problems on my laptop - it didnt boot the 2.6.31 kernel so alsa was stuffed - does uname -r show 2.6.31
[15:21] <anton__> BluesKaj: yes
[15:22] <sil3nt|warri0r> but for some bad reason the sound output is not working
[15:22] <BluesKaj> anton__, try the command line : sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:22] <anton__> sil3nt|warri0r: what if you try mplayer with "-ao alsa" or "-ao oss"
[15:23] <anton__> BluesKaj: am already upgraded now - but had to reset all me kde settings to get any plasma working (no background, no panels etc)
[15:23] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: Nope. You sure that you have the correct sound devices active ? Mixer shows everything ?
[15:24] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: try out mixer, and see if it shows something.
[15:24] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: i am trying kmix, alsa mixer, aumix
[15:24] <anton__> sil3nt|warri0r: I have also had problems where the pc speaker was trying to be used as the main sound device - kmixer showed pcspkr as the output device name
[15:24] <shadeslayer> how do i create a custom bash script to compile stuff? like i want a single command to do : cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull ..
[15:25] <anton__> shadeslayer: just save it in a file that has a first line of "#!/bin/bash" and make it executable (chmod +x MyFile)
[15:25] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: the kmixer only shows "hda intel"
[15:26] <shadeslayer> anton__:and if i want to run it as a command? like : lspci or cmake,etc ?
[15:26] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: Show mixer -> Settings -> Configure channels and check what you have.
[15:26] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: yes - I know. had that issue o my T61p too ...
[15:26] <anton__> shadeslayer: just type the path to the file
[15:26] <shadeslayer> i want it work in the directory above it
[15:26] <anton__> then you have to add your command into a dir in your PATH or edit $PATH
[15:26] <shadeslayer> anton__: ugh,i want a single command to accomplish,i cant type the whole path
[15:27] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: it show all channels that avialable
[15:27] <anton__> shadeslayer: if you have your own little utils it is common to put them in ~/bin/ and then add ~/bin/ to $PATH by adding the following to your ~/.bashrc "export PATH=~/bin/:$PATH"
[15:28] <shadeslayer> anton__: and the file should be named : new_command.sh : ?
[15:28] <anton__> shadeslayer: you can name it whatever you like
[15:28] <anton__> editing the path above will make any executable file in ~/bin/ become available in all your shells
[15:28] <shadeslayer> anton__: also one last thing,will it display the o/p as it shows with the actual command?
[15:29] <anton__> (you will have to close the shell and open a new one)
[15:29] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: ok - choose those that are of interest to you, and disable all Digital outputs.
[15:29] <anton__> o/p ?
[15:29] <shadeslayer> or : source .bashrc
[15:29] <BluesKaj> anton__, sil3nt|warri0r , pulseaudio could be causing problems with your sound , especially if you dedicated pci soundcards ..i dumped pulseaudio, now the audio is clean as mp3 or digital audio of any sort can be.
[15:29] <shadeslayer> anton__: like its showing the progress of a compile right now
[15:29] <anton__> BluesKaj: pulse has been fine for me on my laptop and desktop, but some parts of upgrade to karmic needed kicking
[15:30] <anton__> shadeslayer: it will just mean you dont need the full path to the command
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:30] <shadeslayer> anton__: thanks :D
[15:30] <BluesKaj> pulse worked ok on jaunty , not as good on karmic , depending on the HW
[15:31] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: wat i do ?
[15:31] <sil3nt|warri0r> oh
[15:31] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: yes, the pre selected channels r there
[15:31] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: also - go to system-settings -> Multimedia -> device Preferences and check which device is active.
[15:32] <sil3nt|warri0r> BluesKaj: so will i use alsa or wat ?
[15:32] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: k
[15:32] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: lso - check in the advanced tab - which backend-device you use. I use Xine.
[15:32] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: u use alsa by default anyway.
[15:33] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: xine is there only
[15:33] <anton__> I have xine, and then gstreamer
[15:33] <anton__> pretty sure my laptop is gstreamer
[15:34] <BluesKaj> yes, sil3nt|warri0r , alsa is the audio layer you need
[15:34] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: ok - should be enough.
[15:34] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: system settings shows "hda intel (stac92xx analog)"
[15:34] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: yes - I know. had that issue o my T61p too ... u got ?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> ok gotta go for a bit
[15:34] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:34] <sil3nt|warri0r> BluesKaj: wat pkgs i need to intsall/remove  to enable alsa
[15:35] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: do i past the lspci audio putput ?
[15:35] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: make a: lsmod | grep snd
[15:35] <sil3nt|warri0r> k
[15:36] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: If you have loads of stuff showing up - that's it ;0
[15:36] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: lots of stuffs do shows
[15:36] <anton__> sil3nt|warri0r: I thought puls actually used alsa for hardware access, and then intercepted all requests for playing through it
[15:36] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: then you have the drivers loaded.
[15:37] <Smurphy> anton__: it actually does that. I disable pusle audio always - it slows down the system, and is intersting only if you want to have audio-mixing capability, or remote sound-devices to be used - e.g. remote Desktop and ave the audio played there.
[15:37] <sil3nt|warri0r> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[15:37] <sil3nt|warri0r>         Subsystem: Dell Device 0254
[15:37] <sil3nt|warri0r>         Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 30
[15:37] <sil3nt|warri0r>         Memory at f6dfc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
[15:37] <sil3nt|warri0r>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[15:37] <FloodBotK2> sil3nt|warri0r: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:37] <sil3nt|warri0r>         Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
[15:38] <anton__> lol
[15:38] <sil3nt|warri0r> :(
[15:38] <sil3nt|warri0r> sorry frnds
[15:39]  * sil3nt|warri0r so frusteted here
[15:39] <maco> sil3nt|warri0r: lspci -nv | grep -A1 0403
[15:39] <maco> sil3nt|warri0r: the 2nd line tells you the actual hardware id
[15:39] <maco> sil3nt|warri0r: but thatd be more useful for on a bug report
[15:40] <sil3nt|warri0r> 0:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
[15:40] <sil3nt|warri0r> Subsystem: 1028:0254
[15:40] <sil3nt|warri0r> @maco
[15:41] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: If the audio applications are running fine, means, the play mp3 etc., the the audio subsystem is loaded, just misconfigured. Eventually routed onto the wrong audio-interface.
[15:42] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: You have the PCM device (mixer) put on Max ?
[15:42] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: yes, i chked many times
[15:43] <Smurphy> what hardware you have ?
[15:43] <Smurphy> I mean the system ...
[15:43] <Smurphy> Oha - a Dell ...
[15:43] <Smurphy> They usually make no issues. Have you tried booting from a KUbuntu Live CD, and check out the audio-device ?
[15:44] <sil3nt|warri0r> dell studio 1535
[15:44] <Smurphy> What you can also do, is create another user, to see if audio works for him :)
[15:44] <sil3nt|warri0r> on 9.04 it was working fine
[15:44] <Smurphy> in that case you know you screwed your config ...
[15:45] <sil3nt|warri0r> i just upgrade to 9.10, everything went fine, but after reboot snd is missing
[15:45] <sil3nt|warri0r> my desktop also has not changed, i mean the look n feel
[15:46] <maco> Smurphy: er...dell uses cheap hardware. its likely either a realtek or sigmatel codec. those are notoriously nasty HDA codecs
[15:46] <Smurphy> maco: Nope - intel chipset on that one.
[15:47] <maco> im talking about the codec, not the chipset
[15:48] <maco> Intel & Nvidia are common hardware manufacturers of HDA devices. i'm talking about the codec programmed into the hardware
[15:48] <Smurphy> maco: as far as I know - the codec has nothing to do with the chipset...
[15:48] <maco> but the codec has *plenty* to do with whether it works or not
[15:49] <Smurphy> what will the codec do here ? except decode some raw data and transform it into audible signals. usually done by the CPU anyway.
[15:49] <maco> the codec determines how the pins are routed
[15:49] <sil3nt|warri0r> i just chked the log, and i got "pulseaudio is configured for per-user session"
[15:49] <maco> im not talking about codec like "mp3" or "wav" but how the hardware is setup
[15:49] <Smurphy> the codec ? not that I knew TBH ...
[15:50] <maco> the term codec is used in both situations. im talking about the hardware
[15:50] <Smurphy> Hmmm Never heard the term codec in conjunction with the hardware ...
[15:50] <maco> anyway, try removing pulseaudio as its not well-tested with kubuntu, just ubuntu
[15:50] <maco> if that doesnt work, file a bug "ubuntu-bug alsa-base" then when you get into launchpad, change the package name to "linux"
[15:50] <Smurphy> I know that you can route audio-streams on different physical ports, or even influence if it's analog or digital.
[15:51] <Smurphy> I don't use pulseaudio here either.
[15:51] <Smurphy> :)
[15:51] <maco> Smurphy: yeah i didnt know codec had 2 meanings a couple years ago, but the audio dude for ubuntu was mentoring me on this stuff last year
[15:51] <maco> oh, i use pulseaudio
[15:51] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: so do i switch to alsa, will it work good for kde ?
[15:51] <maco> its just that i know how
[15:51] <maco> sil3nt|warri0r: yep thats how kubuntu devs expect you to do it
[15:52] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: you have alsa running already ... ;)
[15:52] <Smurphy> just disable pulseaudio.
[15:52] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: how ?
[15:52] <maco> Smurphy: yes but direct through alsa, as opposed to indirectly via pulseaudio
[15:53] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: in the System Settings -> device preference -> Music - make sure HDA Intel (blabla0 is on top of the listing.
[15:55] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: i dont see any "device prefences" but only " multimedia"
[15:55] <Smurphy> Click Multimedia :)
[15:56] <sil3nt|warri0r> and there the hda intel at top
[15:56] <Smurphy> Click on the Intel Line, and on the right side/bottom, on Test.
[15:57] <sil3nt|warri0r> its says, "the hda intel audio system is not working, switching to the next blablabla"
[15:58] <Smurphy> That is bad. So  - the drivers are not loaded correctly.
[15:58] <sil3nt|warri0r> :(
[15:59] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: I have my config under;l etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[15:59] <Smurphy> sil3nt|warri0r: but I have to admit - i did upgrade from KUbuntu 8.10 to KUbuntu 9.10 :)
[16:00] <sil3nt|warri0r> oh
[16:00] <Smurphy> as kubuntn 9.04 was so screwed ...
[16:00] <Smurphy> didn't work on my mac mini at all ... A real nightmare.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is unecessary in a lot of cases , the kernel modules ,alsa-base and alsa-utils have enough tools to do most audio jobs ...pulseaudio is a fav of a dev who is pushing his own agenda ..PA maybe good for some exotic setups but for most situations it's not
[16:02] <sil3nt|warri0r> so how do i disable pulseaudio and enable alsa for my 9.10 :(
[16:03] <BluesKaj> make sure you have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed first of all
[16:03] <sil3nt|warri0r> its there
[16:03] <sil3nt|warri0r> installed
[16:03] <Smurphy> ok folks. Have to go ...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> then sudo apt-purge pulseaudio
[16:04] <Shaxor> Hay does banshee work for anyone in kubuntu 9.10?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Shaxor, ask in #ubuntu, most kde users don't have banshee
[16:04] <sil3nt|warri0r> Smurphy: thx frnd for ur help
[16:04] <Smurphy> np ;)
[16:05] <Shaxor> BluseKaj i think its a problem with kubuntu not banshee
[16:05] <Shaxor> becasue it works just fine in ubuntu but not in kubuntu
[16:06] <BluesKaj> Shaxor, I wouldn't know , I use vlc for everything
[16:06] <Shaxor> ah okay
[16:07] <BluesKaj> banshee is a gnome app and if you are missing some gtk-libs banshee may not work on kde
[16:19] <sil3nt|warri0r> BluesKaj: is there anything i need to do after purge pulseaudio
[16:20] <sil3nt|warri0r> ???
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Hi,how do i find the best mirror server by command line?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> for installing packages that is
[16:24] <sil3nt|warri0r> BluesKaj: apt-purge is not there ?
[16:24] <sil3nt|warri0r> its not is my system
[16:24] <sil3nt|warri0r> is it apt-get -purge ??
[16:25] <BluesKaj> sil3nt|warri0r, open system settings/multimedia/music and check the otput device test box for the HW listed there
[16:25] <BluesKaj> sil3nt|warri0r,  yes
[16:25] <sil3nt|warri0r> its hda intel
[16:26] <BluesKaj> sorry about that i always use aptitude
[16:27] <BluesKaj> sil3nt|warri0r, output device , there's a test box there , click on it for sound test
[16:28] <sil3nt|warri0r> pulseaudio purging is in progress
[16:29] <sil3nt|warri0r> its done, do i need to restart ?
[16:29] <sil3nt|warri0r> i mean reboot ?
[16:29] <EvilRoey> why does canonical use pulseaudio, considering how I'm always reading of people removing it?
[16:30] <sil3nt|warri0r> BluesKaj: clicking on the test button nothing happens
[16:30] <sil3nt|warri0r> BluesKaj: no snd output nor any error msg shows
[16:34] <BluesKaj> sil3nt|warri0r, type alsamixer in the terminal
[16:36] <sil3nt|warri0r> the needed cjannels are up. means full sound
[16:36] <sil3nt|warri0r> BluesKaj:
[16:36] <BluesKaj> sil3nt|warri0r, make sure the ctrls are at 70% and the boxes don't have an M in them
[16:36] <BluesKaj> use the arrow keys to move around and use the M key to unmute any ctrls
[16:37] <sil3nt|warri0r> its 100% and there is 00 instead of MM
[16:37] <BluesKaj> 100% is too high
[16:37] <sil3nt|warri0r> in master, headphone
[16:37] <BluesKaj> it's vol ctrl
[16:37] <sil3nt|warri0r> in pcm there is no option for muting it
[16:38] <BluesKaj> right
[16:38] <korvin> hi
[16:38] <shadeslayer> korvin: hey
[16:38] <korvin> yjw can i seepartition table in karmic koala?
[16:38] <korvin> how*
[16:38] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | sil3nt|warri0r
[16:39] <sil3nt|warri0r> BluesKaj: so how do i save eand exit ?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> sil3nt|warri0r, now you need to follow the above tutorial
[16:39] <BluesKaj> escape key
[16:39] <peter______> is this a german room?
[16:40] <shadeslayer> peter______: nope
[16:40] <korvin> i've got a problem with grub 1.97 beta)
[16:40] <BluesKaj> !de | peter______
[16:40] <reagleBRKLN> under karmic, i find runaway nspluginviewers eating up CPU quite a lot, even when no Konq is open anymore. Is this a bug, any recommendations? Running with 64bit Flash.
[16:40] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: you beat me to it :)
[16:40] <Shaxor> Hay is there a hotkey command that i can use to suspend in kwin compositing , kinda like the alt+Shift+F12 that restarts it, but a command to turn it off as well?
[16:41] <korvin> so, how can i see a parition table in konsole?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> korvin: sure just tell us the problem
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Shaxor: same combo to turn it off
[16:41] <peter______> thanks for help!
[16:41] <BluesKaj> korvin, df -h
[16:41] <shadeslayer> korvin: sudo fdisk -l
[16:42] <Shaxor> Oh Thank you Shadeslayer <,< sorry for the noob question
[16:42] <korvin> thank you very much )
[16:42] <shadeslayer> Shaxor: hehe,no problem
[16:43] <BluesKaj> well, time for my daily walk .BBL
[16:44] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: bye
[16:45] <Bios_> Hey my external hdd stopped working suddenly... wont show up in dev directory  ... and in windows i got only 'unkown device'
[16:45] <Bios_> any suggestions?
[16:46] <klebezettel> hello
[16:46] <Flootenkerp> Hi, I have ubuntu 9.04 installed with wubi installer, and I only invested 8 gigs. How would I give it more space?
[16:46] <klebezettel> the shortcut for the quick access plasmoid doesn't seem to work...I can assign a shortcut, but nothing happens If I trigger it...any hint?
[16:48] <apparle> what should I use instead of hyperterminal (windows)
[16:48] <jussi01> apparle: what is hyperterminal for?
[16:49] <apparle> jussi01: I want something to communicate over serial port (with a microcontroller)
[16:49] <jussi01> !info minicom | apparle
[16:49] <apparle> jussi01: anything kde based?
[16:49] <apparle> I mean KDE or QT based
[16:50] <Flootenkerp> Hi, I have ubuntu 9.04 installed with wubi installer, and I only invested 8 gigs. How would I give it more space?
[16:50] <jussi01> apparle: thats CLI based.
[16:50] <jussi01> how does hyperterminal work?
[16:50] <Pici>  /22
[16:51] <Pici> oh, a space.. how'd that get there?
[16:52] <Flootenkerp> I have ubuntu 9.04 installed with wubi installer, and I only invested 8 gigs. How would I give it more space?
[16:54] <clustermagnet> guys, F1 key isnt working on my apple keyboard :(
[16:54] <clustermagnet> kubuntu 9.1
[16:57] <pmazur> try fn+f1
[17:01] <clustermagnet> pmazur: :) thank you :)
[17:01] <clustermagnet> bingo
[17:01] <apparle> jussi01: it shows whatever is received at the serial port and transmits whatever is typed without echoing it
[17:01] <clustermagnet> also, im having a nightmare with nvidia
[17:01] <clustermagnet> after running nvidia-settings... its not able to save to /etc/X11/config :(
[17:01] <clustermagnet> so i have to rerun it every time
[17:02] <apparle> clustermagnet: it is supposed to save it to xorg.conf
[17:02] <Bios_> Hey my external hdd stopped working suddenly... wont show up in dev directory  ... and in windows i got only 'unkown device'
[17:02] <clustermagnet> apparle: right, xorg.conf :)
[17:02] <pmazur> maybe you didnt run it with sudo?
[17:02] <jussi01> apparle: minicom is like getting a terminal on the device over serial
[17:03] <apparle> clustermagnet: is nvidia GUI or CLI
[17:03] <clustermagnet> apparle: gui
[17:03] <apparle> jussi01: and can I adjust the baudrates etc
[17:03] <apparle> clustermagnet: try running it with kdesudo
[17:04] <clustermagnet> apparle: ok
[17:04] <clustermagnet> apparle: also... interesting thing
[17:04] <clustermagnet> before running nvidia-settings gui... transparency works :)
[17:04] <clustermagnet> as soon as i run it, and hit dual screen twinview... konsole disables transparency
[17:05] <clustermagnet> sigh
[17:05] <apparle> clustermagnet: maybe when you give superuser access to it, it will be able to write to xorg.conf
[17:05] <clustermagnet> apparle: im sure
[17:07] <jussi01> apparle: think so, but install and run minicom -s and find out.
[17:07] <jussi01> !info seyon | apparle - you could also look at this:
[17:08] <Pici> putty should also be able to talk to serial devices... although I haven't tested it on linux.
[17:09] <apparle> ok I'll give both of them a try
[17:10] <apparle> is there something like bray's terminal etc
[17:13] <twister> hi
[17:13] <jussi01> apparle: I think that is seyon.
[17:26] <Messi> juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html
[17:29] <Bios_> Hey my external hdd stopped working suddenly... wont show up in dev directory  ... and in windows i got only 'unkown device'
[17:30] <ovidiu> hy all
[17:34] <BluesKaj> Bios_, does df -h show anything peripheral ?
[17:34] <Bios_> nope BluesKaj
[17:36] <BluesKaj> pastebin the output
[17:46] <Bios_> http://pastebin.com/dc8d34c6 BluesKaj
[17:47] <Bios_> sorry for delay
[17:47] <Bios_> was googling :P
[17:48] <BluesKaj> Bios_, do you have any other usb devices that you can use to test the buss ?
[17:49] <Bios_> mouse and anything else is working
[17:50] <BluesKaj> hmm, like a phone , maybe , just want  to be sure your drive isn't kaput
[17:52] <Bios_> well it works on a friend's pc
[17:54] <gioacchino> hey all
[17:54] <gioacchino> i am using kubuntu 9.10 on 64 bit
[17:54] <gioacchino> sometimes kontact don't start
[17:54] <gioacchino> if i look at process there is a kontact
[17:54] <gioacchino> if i kill it and restart kontact it work
[17:54] <gioacchino> there is a fix for this ?
[17:54] <FloodBotK2> gioacchino: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:54] <gioacchino> flood ???
[17:58] <Bios_> brb BluesKaj
[17:59] <Peace-> gioacchino: yu have to check launching it on therminal
[17:59] <Peace-> terminal
[17:59] <gioacchino> understand...
[18:01] <apparle> !info cutecom
[18:10] <JediMaster> what's the best way of making a kubuntu install usb stick? I've got kubuntu 9.10 installed already, but want to put the installer on a usb stick to install it on other machines
[18:10] <JediMaster> should I install usb-creator and download the kubuntu cd iso?
[18:13] <kavurt> JediMaster: usb-creator must be alredy installed on karmic by default
[18:13] <genii> !usb
[18:14] <kavurt> JediMaster: it should be under Kmenu/System
[18:15] <rmrfslash> So what are people using for an Office suite on Linux? If OpenOffice really the best option available?
[18:15] <rmrfslash> *IS
[18:15] <rmrfslash> cuz if u ask me, it stinks.
[18:15] <rmrfslash> :P
[18:16] <kavurt> rmrfslash: most people use openoffice I guess
[18:18] <Bios_> latex only : P
[18:19] <rmrfslash> What about koffice?
[18:19] <rmrfslash> is it any good? I'm installing it now.
[18:23] <rmrfslash> no drawing toolbar in Kword.
[18:23] <rmrfslash> :-/
[19:06] <mirko_> tranformers
[19:07] <Mamarok> mirko_: do you have a support question?
[19:21] <Zxcvb> where are the kernel headers in karmic?
[19:21] <Mamarok> Zxcvb: aptitude search headers tells you that
[19:22] <Zxcvb> no, I mean where does it put them once installed?
[19:24] <Mamarok> Zxcvb: ah, ok, in /usr/src/
[19:25] <davidjheinrich>  I just got an Epson V700, which is supposed to have up to 6400 dpi scanning (optical)...but iscan (Image Scan!) and xsane only let me select up to 3200 dpi...what's up?
[19:26] <Mamarok> davidjheinrich: I don't know, is it reported to be fully supported in Linux?
[19:27] <davidjheinrich> the sane-epson2 backend reports it as "known to work with this backend"
[19:27] <davidjheinrich> sane-epson2.5
[19:32] <Mamarok> davidjheinrich: according to this website it only says good, not complete support, might be the problem: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-EPSON
[19:32] <davidjheinrich> ahhh
[19:33] <davidjheinrich> bummer
[19:33] <davidjheinrich> guess I have to buy Vuescan if I want 6400 dpi
[19:33] <davidjheinrich> (although there's barely any diff between 6400 & 3200 dpi in terms of real optical resolution...consumer flatbeds heinously over-state what they're capable of
[19:34] <Mamarok> sorry, check that list for other manufacturers also, might cost less elsewhere
[19:34] <Mamarok> Epson is not exactly well known for Linux support, unless HP
[19:34] <Mamarok> but for scanners it's always a bit a hassle
[19:35] <davidjheinrich> well, I already have an Epson
[19:36] <Mamarok> but 3200 dpi is not that bad
[19:36] <davidjheinrich> I scan 4x5 trannies, on the large format forum, ppl have basically said that for under $2k, Epson is the only scanner in town worth looking at
[19:36] <davidjheinrich> yea, it's still pretty good
[19:37] <davidjheinrich> re linux support, well, epson refers to "avasys"
[19:40] <davidjheinrich> I guess HP would be my next guess for linux scanners (good name, and I'd guess good support, as they have great printer-support...even some of their $10k printers are linux-supported)...but their high-end scanner competing with the Epson V700 isn't supported in linux
[19:49] <davidjheinrich> Mamoarok, thanks for your help
[19:56] <luis_> I was just asking myself if there was a way to connect amarok to the ps3, like windows media player can do, so i can share my music without having to pass it to the ps3, u know a way?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> luis_, is your ps3 connected to the internet
[20:00] <luis_> of course
[20:00] <BluesKaj> then you should be able to see it as a device on your network
[20:04] <BluesKaj> luis_, can you access your router hostpage ? .. it should be listed there by device and IP address
[20:22] <|moe|> g'evening. i accidentially deleted my trash in dolphin instead of emptying it. how can i get it back?
[20:24] <Mamarok> |moe|: you mean you deleted th Trash folder?
[20:24] <|moe|> Mamarok: no, i deleted the trash icon in "locations" of dolphin
[20:25] <derNeugierige> |moe|: right click on the left sidebar and add an item...
[20:26] <|moe|> derNeugierige: if i select the icon user-trash, does it "change shape" upon filling like the old one did?
[20:26] <derNeugierige> test it
[20:28] <derNeugierige> |moe|: it does
[20:28] <|moe|> maybe it's better to use the address trash:/ instead of the .local/share/Trash/files right?
[20:28] <Mamarok> |moe|: yes, that would be the logical one
[20:29] <|moe|> Mamarok, derNeugierige: thanks guys!
[20:30] <derNeugierige> |moe|: you're welcome
[20:33] <Mamarok> |moe|: you are welcome :)
[20:34] <amgarching> omg, look at the "Details" tab of the progress dialog in KPackageKit http://imagebin.ca/view/7eC9SR0O.html
[20:36] <|moe|> amgarching: awesome, same on my end. i use apt-get for updating since then
[20:37] <amgarching> just fun, I use aptitude to update things anyway. moe
[20:38] <|moe|> amgarching: funny thing indeed
[20:43] <anita> hi
[20:44] <anita> anyone here?
[20:44] <anita> i need help
[20:46] <derNeugierige> anita: ask
[20:46] <anita> my computer crashed so i put ubuntu 9.10 on the computer with the intention never to go back to windows , but now i realize i cannot use my ipod touch with ubuntu ...and so i tried to put windows back in so i could use dual os, but it won't work???
[20:50] <derNeugierige> anita: first install xp and then linux and your dual boot should work
[20:50] <anita> how can i get linux off the pc
[20:51] <derNeugierige> format your hd
[20:52] <anita> i'm not sure how to do it with linux
[20:53] <derNeugierige> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=partedmagic
[20:53] <anita>  i have a dell...is it with f12?
[20:53] <anita> oh ok
[20:53] <shicmap> hello, I just updated my Kubuntu 9.04 to 9.10. And now I cannot connect to the internet.
[20:54] <Bauldrick> hi - i'm trying to configure a program to build, but it cant guess my build type... I know I can say like ./configure --build='bla-bla' - but what is my system missing?
[20:55] <shicmap> what should I do? It cannot detect my wireless internet. If I attach my wireless network adapter, it will keep on popping out a notification saying that the adapter is detected then segfault occurs and the whole system freeze
[20:57] <Bauldrick> is everyone in #ubuntu then?
[21:01] <mark_> how do  i setup a printer in kubuntu
[21:01] <mark_> all the information im finding seems to be out of date
[21:02] <mark_> its telling me to use the kde printing manager
[21:02] <mark_> i don't have that on my system
[21:02] <mark_> then it says use kde print
[21:02] <mark_> i can't find that either
[21:02] <mark_> theres no link in the menu to setup a printer
[21:03] <mark_> theres printer configuration but that doesn't let me add a printer
[21:03] <mark_> how do i do it?
[21:03] <Tscheesy> shicmap: hm - do you have a possibility to connect by LAN?
[21:03] <Bauldrick> mark_ try <IP_ADDRESS>:631
[21:03] <Bauldrick> in your browser
[21:04] <mark_> it says the link cannot be opened
[21:04] <mark_> now it works
[21:04] <mark_> had to paste it into my browser
[21:04] <Guest84029> help!! I had kubutnu intrepid on my laptop. never had space to upgrade. today i finally upgraded to jaunty, but now it's screwed
[21:04] <mark_> whats the user name and password?
[21:05] <Guest84029> I can login, but the screen only shows the wallpaper, the plasma desktop and the panel are not shown
[21:05] <Tm_T> mark_: typically your username and password
[21:05] <mark_> nope
[21:05] <Guest84029> on first login i saw at least the analog clock still, but I thought it was just a temporary problem, so I restareted again ,and now only blue wallpaper...
[21:05] <Guest84029> what can i do?
[21:05] <Tm_T> weird
[21:05] <shicmap> Tscheesy: no, I use wireless network
[21:06] <Tm_T> mark_: I never configured mine, it just works, hmmmm
[21:06] <Guest84029> alt+f2 'konsole' got me to konsole
[21:06] <mark_> its the root user
[21:07] <mark_> i remember doing this on my mac
[21:07] <Guest84029> should i gtriy to upgrade to karmic and hope this will fix it again? or will it make it worse?
[21:08] <Tscheesy> shicmap: first - you should update your System, then by starting jockey-kde - you can look for a propretery driver (unlock the Repository in kpackagekit) -otherwise i suppose a bug
[21:09] <shicmap> Tscheesy: sorry, but how can I start jockey-kde. I cannot update my system if there is no connection, I guess..
[21:10] <Tscheesy> therfore you should look for a LAN-connection i'd propose - sry
[21:10] <mark_> it doesn't have my printer listed
[21:10] <shicmap> ok. thanks Tscheesy
[21:10] <mark_> so can i just use an generic driver that it selected?
[21:10] <Tscheesy> yw
[21:10] <Bauldrick> shicmap: did your update finish, you may need to run `dpkg-reconfigure -a` or whatever it is
[21:11] <shicmap> Bauldrick: I think I did.. My system reported 11 seg faults
[21:12] <mark_> its not working
[21:13] <ubuntu_> hi
[21:13] <ubuntu_> how can i delete a kubuntu partition?
[21:13] <ubuntu_> i have 2 primaries on my drive
[21:14] <ubuntu_> ?????????
[21:16] <derNeugierige> Lycanow: install partionmanager
[21:16] <Lycanow> derNeugierige:
[21:16] <Lycanow> it doesnt let me remove
[21:16] <Lycanow> the partition
[21:17] <derNeugierige> sorry partitionmanager
[21:19] <Lycanow>  by the way my whole hdd is formated as ext4. i made some space to install winXP, do i have to do a slow format or is a quick format enough? (cause it changes to ntfs)
[21:20] <Tm_T> Lycanow: quick is enough, difference is only if file data is erased entirely or not I believe
[21:20] <Lycanow> Tm_T: OK
[21:21] <Lycanow> i ask this cause when i have usb stick and want to change filesystem i need to do slowformat
[21:21] <Lycanow> right?
[21:21] <Tm_T> only if you like to make sure there's no data left behind
[21:22] <Tm_T> though I'm not expert so I might get this all wrong
[21:24] <hackspider> hi i installed crossover linux 8 and office 2007. when i try to start word or any other application from kickoff it doesn't start, but when i start it from a terminal by ./winword in cxoffice/bin directory it fires up without any problem
[21:25] <Turin> Hi!
[21:26] <Turin> Can someone explain me why system hangs out my screen when i play full-screen movie?  Not immediately, after ~30 minutes .
[21:26] <Turin> Kubuntu Karmic
[21:26] <Turin> Dragon Player
[21:27] <Turin> Desktop computer
[21:27] <GiantTalkingCow> Screen Saver or sleep kicks in and ends up locking up your desktop?
[21:28] <Turin> GiantTalkingCow: It just switches off
[21:28] <Turin> GiantTalkingCow: I got that message from monitor "No Signal"
[21:29] <Turin> GiantTalkingCow: I just can't understand why it happens when program is working
[21:29] <GiantTalkingCow> That is bizarre.
[21:29] <GiantTalkingCow> Getting any sound from the speakers, still?
[21:30] <Lycanow> how
[21:30] <Lycanow> can i restore grub
[21:30] <Lycanow> >
[21:30] <Lycanow> i installed xp
[21:30] <FloodBotK2> Lycanow: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:30] <Turin> GiantTalkingCow: No. It power saver, I sure.
[21:31] <Turin> GiantTalkingCow: How to make this thing look for working stuff, before it switches screen out?
[21:32] <Turin> shlainn: OK, I didn't use mouse or something, but full-screen have to prevent shutting my screen down.
[21:32] <Turin> shlainn: In all my systems before Kubuntu Karmic it was
[21:35] <Lycanow> i have 2 ubuntu partitions and i use a livecd to delete the 1st of the 2. both are primaries, but only the first has the boot flag on it. what should i do?
[21:47] <Lycanow> what does it do
[21:47] <Lycanow> when i move my partition
[21:47] <Lycanow> in the disk
[21:47] <Lycanow> not change size
[21:47] <Lycanow> just move it
[21:47] <FloodBotK2> Lycanow: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:47] <Lycanow> with gparted or partitionmanager
[21:53] <Turin> Pretty dead chat, huh
[21:54] <rork> depends on your patience tbg
[21:54] <Peace--> Turin: mm?
[21:54] <rork> *tbh
[21:55] <Turin> Peace--: OK, maybe I wrong, but versus Mint chat...
[21:55] <Peace--> well here it's onlu kde stuff
[21:55] <Peace--> inf you go on ubuntu channel
[21:55] <Peace--> instead of kubuntu you can get more guys
[21:55] <Peace--> here there are smarter of them xD
[21:56] <Turin> Peace--: Dragon and power manager in group, isn't it?
[21:56] <Peace--> Turin: ?
[21:57] <Turin> Peace--: My questions were about Dragon player and power manager in Kubuntu Karmic.
[21:57] <Peace--> ok
[21:57] <Peace--> and what was the problem with that?
[21:57] <Turin> Peace--: My screen switches off when i look full-screen movie
[21:58] <Peace--> ahh
[21:58] <Peace--> that stuff
[21:58] <Turin> Peace--: In Dragon
[21:58] <Peace--> well use vlc then
[21:58] <Peace--> if you think it's only a dragon issue
[21:58] <Peace--> i have not dragon here
[21:58] <Peace--> i used vlc for everything
[21:59] <Turin> Peace--: Maybe you right, but i really want to understand this problem. I didn't saw this never before
[21:59] <Turin> Not in GNOME, not in Win...
[21:59] <Peace--> mmm have you turned off , the screen saver ?
[22:01] <kaddi> hi, how can I join a jabber group with kopete?
[22:05] <rork> Kaddi: Settings >> Add account >> Jabber
[22:06] <kaddi> lol, that crashes kopete
[22:06] <kaddi> quite impressively at that
[22:09] <kernco> Hi, I need help getting the display for this laptop switched to a projector.  I'm running the 32-bit 9.10 Live CD, and the laptop has an Intel integrated graphics chip.  When I press Fn+F5 to switch to the projector, nothing happens.
[22:10] <kernco> Output of xrandr: http://pastebin.com/m2f402e33
[22:10] <Peace--> kernco: mm
[22:11] <Peace--> maybe you need to create a action
[22:11] <Peace--> if your systen recognizer Fn and of course F5 you can create a combination
[22:11] <Peace--> of button
[22:12] <Peace--> go on system and settings
[22:12] <Peace--> to do that
[22:12] <gigasoft> Your input can't be opened:
[22:12] <gigasoft> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///media/cdrom0'. Check the log for details. any help
[22:16] <Zxcvb> if I am going to be using a kernel on both a Pentium M and an Core2 system, which processor family would it be best to select?
[22:21] <gigasoft> i have problem to play encrypted dvd with  many's, i tryed all. any help?
[22:22] <kaddi> rork: I already have an account, I want to join a multi user chat
[22:24] <Peace--> !dvd | gigasoft
[22:24] <gigasoft> hm
[22:25] <gigasoft> ok thank, you  but i tried that
[22:26] <Peace--> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras ? gigasoft
[22:26] <gigasoft> i done that :(
[22:26] <Peace--> gigasoft: tried vlc?
[22:26] <gigasoft> yap :(
[22:26] <Peace--> mmm
[22:26] <Peace--> ultra mega strange vlc didn't work on dvd
[22:27] <jussi01> installed the libdvdcss stuff from medibuntu?
[22:27] <gigasoft> aha
[22:27] <gigasoft> ...  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:27] <gigasoft> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 73 not upgraded.
[22:27] <jussi01> !medibuntu
[22:27] <jussi01> be sure to check the licensing for your country.
[22:28] <gigasoft> ok thank anyway
[22:34] <kaddi_> is there a fix for the freezes and slowness with intel graphics cards? I thought that was suppose to improve with karmic?
[22:38] <fourat> am discovering the kubuntu netbook edition
[22:38] <fourat> on the wiki, its said there's a lot of social widgets
[22:38] <fourat> i cant see anything like that
[22:39] <fourat> for example how to add a google calendar plasma widget ?
[22:40] <lovre> weee, kubuntu and windows7 integration in its highest:   http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6748/snapshot2y.png
[22:47] <ign0ramus> hey all.
[22:48] <kaddi_> hi
[22:48] <kaddi_> ign0ramus didn't you sort out my intel problems in jaunty?
[22:48] <kaddi_> do you know how to fix the same issues in karmic?
[22:49] <ign0ramus> yup, seems like forever ago!
[22:49] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: it's better than in jaunty, but i use the xorg-edgers ppa
[22:49] <kaddi_> there's a xorg-edgers ppa for karmic as well?
[22:49] <kaddi_> maybe I should try it
[22:50] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: yup, and the swat-x-updates ppa as well
[22:50] <kaddi_> I tried to get that today, but wouldn't work... don't know what I was doing wrong
[22:50] <ign0ramus> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu/dists/karmic/
[22:51] <ign0ramus> and http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/dists/karmic/
[22:52] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: I still get some choppiness on fullscreen high-res flash, but sometimes a restart of X fixes it. Still not sure why
[22:52]  * ign0ramus shrugs
[22:53] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: and I installed Karmic fresh, so I have no xorg.conf at all... not sure if it would even use it. I had specified the greedy heuristic for intel graphics, but apparently that is done by default now.
[22:53] <kaddi_> I get 100% cpu usage on a 2.4 Ghz dualcore, when I start flipping windows or somethings just as demanding. It's infuriating
[22:53] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: try the PPAs
[22:53] <kaddi_> I have no xorg.conf either
[22:53] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: if you don't like, just uninstall :)
[22:53] <kaddi_> wll do
[22:54] <kaddi_> jeah, I'm seriously looking at alternatives right now
[22:54] <kaddi_> after 6 years of ubuntu
[22:54] <kaddi_> but it's just getting worse and worse for me
[22:57] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: try here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/318209/
[22:57] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: the PPAs and keys
[22:58] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: i must admit, i've been using win7 fairly frequently lately :(
[22:58] <kaddi_> yes I'm considering going back to windows myself... and somehow it's frightening
[22:59] <kaddi_> lol, I already have the keys :p
[22:59] <ign0ramus> i actually came in here to see if kde 4.3.3 now has a simple way to format SD cards... I know i can do "sudo mkdosfs..." but is there no right-click > format option?
[23:00] <ign0ramus> kaddi_: i commend the kde team for the hard work, and making kde4 usable, but little stuff that is simple and people are used to are still apparently missing :/
[23:01] <BluesKaj> ign0ramus, mkisofs ..maybe ?
[23:01] <ign0ramus> hey BluesKaj :)
[23:01] <BluesKaj> hi ign0ramus :)
[23:02] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: yeah, but to explain to a co-worker who's new to Linux, is there no gui method where i can just tell them to right click and select 'format' like he's done in windows for nearly a decade?
[23:02] <Quintasan> seconded
[23:02] <Quintasan> This should be a paperKut!
[23:02] <BluesKaj> ign0ramus, have you tried gparted ?
[23:02] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: i can issue the mount command and find where the card is mounted and use the "mkdosfs" command, but for a newbie, that's a big turn-off
[23:03] <fourat_> hello all
[23:03] <fourat_> i'm trying the notebook kubuntu edition
[23:03] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: actually, i haven't thought of that. seems like overkill to format an sd card, but that may work :)
[23:03] <fourat_> prtty amazing :)
[23:03] <ign0ramus> fourat_: netbook?
[23:04] <fourat_> note one ;)
[23:04] <BluesKaj> ign0ramus, well, if he wants to remain a newbie , I suppose so , but if he wants to learn linux then , no pain no gain :)
[23:04] <Quintasan> fourat_: I'd like to let you know that is marked as a Technical Preview, don't expect everything to work flawlessly
[23:04] <Quintasan>  :P
[23:04] <Quintasan> it is*
[23:04] <fourat_> yes i knew that
[23:04] <fourat_> i took the adventure anyway:)
[23:04] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: i agree, but i switch people to (k)ubuntu because it's 'user-friendly'
[23:05]  * ign0ramus goes to check the notebook edition
[23:05] <fourat_> and it is working and charming though
[23:05] <ign0ramus> fourat_: link plz?
[23:05] <fourat_> anyway.. i need some help with the widget stuff on  the desktop
[23:05] <BluesKaj> it ain't windows user-freindly , not yet at least ...it can be but most will eventually encounter the need for the cli .
[23:06] <fourat_> ign0ramus: google kubuntu notebook
[23:06] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: I absolutely love cli, but newbies get scared O_o
[23:06] <Quintasan> ign0ramus: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook
[23:06] <fourat_> when i add a new widget, its being added in the bottom of the desktop, i need to personalize the position ...
[23:07] <ign0ramus> Quintasan: lol. I asked him if he meant 'netbook'. He said no.
[23:07] <kaddi_> brb
[23:07] <BluesKaj> expalin how simple the cli is vs windows downloads and installs and the safety factor
[23:07] <fourat_> i cant get to it
[23:07] <Quintasan> AFAIK no such thing as notebook edition
[23:07] <ign0ramus> Quintasan: that's why i asked ;)
[23:08] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: i agree, but you know old habits die hard, and when I keep them on a dual-boot, they end up just going back to windows because its more comfortable
[23:08] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: but then I get to make a few bucks cleaning their computer in a few months :)
[23:08] <fourat_> anyone about the widgets?
[23:09] <ign0ramus> fourat_: i haven't used the NETBOOK remix, but can't you drag widgets to where you want them?
[23:09] <BluesKaj> yeah ign0ramus , I still dual boot because my friends all use windows and expect me to help when they run into trouble , so keep windows to find solutions
[23:09] <fourat_> let me check it to confirm
[23:10] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: I still need it for my POS lexmark printer, and Rosetta Stone, but nothing more. Although I got Win7, and I'm liking the Media Center. A lot.
[23:11] <BluesKaj> Win7 is ok , but it's just XP in Vista clothing :)
[23:11] <kaddi> how can i get the ctrl-alt-del to restart X?
[23:11] <ign0ramus> kaddi: in System Settings now.
[23:11] <kaddi> ah, just change the dontzap option, that didn't help at all
[23:12] <BluesKaj> kaddi, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[23:12] <kaddi> :p
[23:12] <Quintasan> omfg
[23:12] <ign0ramus> kaddi: there's also the alt+sysrq+k option
[23:12] <ign0ramus> kaddi: but i'm still stuck on ctrl+alt+bckspce
[23:12] <fourat_> ign0ramus: i've added the activity bar widget, it's now a big switcher between (applications and newspaper) and is placed right in the middle of my desktop, i cant move it, i can only remove it
[23:13] <BluesKaj> kaddi, or drop to a tty ans startx
[23:13] <ign0ramus> fourat_: have you unlocked widgets?
[23:13] <BluesKaj> and
[23:13] <kaddi> kk, gonna restart again, added the uxa to xorg.conf, updating the inteldrivers didn't change a thing saddl
[23:13] <kaddi> y
[23:13] <ign0ramus> kaddi: System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Standard Keyboard shortcuts
[23:13] <fourat_> ign0ramus: how ? (am pretty new to kubuntu, being on ubuntu for some years ago ...)
[23:14] <BluesKaj> ok genys , take care , ...jam night tonight ..gonna play some tunes
[23:14] <ign0ramus> fourat_: again, i haven't used the netbook version, but in regular kde, you can right-click the desktop, and select "Unlock Widgets"
[23:14] <ign0ramus> fourat_: then you can drag them, resize them, etc
[23:15] <ign0ramus> kaddi: i think uxa is also enabled by default in karmic. (don't quote me on that, though!)
[23:16] <kaddi> no luck here
[23:16] <ign0ramus> kaddi: you tried updating with both PPAs?
[23:16] <kaddi> tried exa and uxa with the new driver, both cores are stuck at 80% with /usr/bin/X taking up a proude 80%
[23:16] <ign0ramus> kaddi: ouch!
[23:17] <kaddi> and plasma-desktop is up thre too
[23:17] <ign0ramus> kaddi: i have similar... laptop is now actually shutting off during fullscreen flash (overheating)
[23:17] <kaddi> lol, plus the notifications stopped vanishing again :p... that's definitely a regression
[23:17] <kaddi> not good :/
[23:17]  * kaddi knocking on wood
[23:17] <kaddi> the total freezes have actually become less frequent
[23:17] <ign0ramus> kaddi: and *still* can't turn off the preview option in the Folder View widget!
[23:18] <kaddi> probably because I disabled desktop effects though, not because kernel/drivers improved
[23:18] <ign0ramus> kaddi: i have a 1.5ghz C2D, i never even bother with kwin's effects
[23:18] <kaddi> hehe
[23:19] <ign0ramus> kaddi: they do look nice, but bring my system to a grind after a while
[23:19] <kaddi> yeah, I kinda bought that machine 8 month ago with the thought that I would take something expensive, that it could last a couple of years and now I can't even run current OS on it :(
[23:19] <ign0ramus> kaddi: that's not progress!
[23:19] <kaddi> you know if there is a ppa for the latest kernel as well just as with jaunty?
[23:19] <ign0ramus> ign0ramus: i bet it would run Hardy just fine
[23:20] <kaddi> vista runs quite nicely on it though, a lot better than ubuntu to be honest
[23:20] <ign0ramus> kaddi: i know... win7 runs quickly, quietly, and cooler than Karmic, but I'm not jumping ship!
[23:21] <kaddi> but then again, they probably bought the drivers for the intel card...
[23:21] <ign0ramus> kaddi: before in the tutorial, there wasn't a PPA involved for the kernel updates; we were just wget'ing the packages and installing them with dpkg
[23:21] <kaddi> I can't really switch, I'm a command line person and that's just a pain on windows
[23:21] <ign0ramus> kaddi: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[23:21] <ign0ramus> kaddi: me too
[23:22] <ign0ramus> kaddi: make sure to keep at least 1 stable kernel, as a lot of the RC's break stuff like wireless and sound (believe me, i know)
[23:22] <kaddi> maybe I'll try to learn powershell, apparently that's supposed to be better
[23:22] <kaddi> hehe
[23:23] <kaddi> karmic is running on 2.6.31?
[23:23] <ign0ramus> kaddi: "uname -a" = Linux lappy 2.6.31-15-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 10 14:54:29 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:24] <kaddi> how odd.. I'm still running 2.6.31-14 and I just did a dist-upgrade and rebooted
[23:25] <ign0ramus> kaddi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/318223/
[23:25] <ign0ramus> kaddi: oh, did you get the backports?
[23:25] <kaddi> ahh.. kk, I only have the traditional pacages
[23:25] <kaddi> no
[23:26] <ign0ramus> kaddi: do you have this --> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3.3
[23:26]  * ign0ramus hands genii his coffee
[23:27] <kaddi> no
[23:27] <genii> ign0ramus: Thanks muchly
[23:27] <ign0ramus> genii: np. it's been a while.
[23:28] <kaddi> on a totally different note: what happened to nopaste.com, I always liked them and they've given a 404 for a couple of weeks now :(
[23:28] <ign0ramus> kaddi: bandwidth issues
[23:28] <ign0ramus> kaddi: same thing that happened to bash.org
[23:28] <kaddi> they're gone for good or will they be back
[23:28] <ign0ramus> kaddi: luckily, people donated time and money. i'd image the fate of raf would be the same...
[23:29] <kaddi> :/
[23:29] <ign0ramus> kaddi: yeah, that was my favorite, too. could even access it from tty (pasting and reading)
[23:30] <kaddi> I found the pastebinit command lately, that's pretty cool to. (not sure what it was using back then) but now it's using pastein.com
[23:30] <kaddi> too
[23:30] <kaddi> just type pastebinit /var/log/X.0.org and it'll return the link it was uploaded to
[23:31] <ign0ramus> kaddi: nice. that's what i use too :)
[23:31] <kaddi> dang, I never have something new to tell you :p
[23:32] <ign0ramus> kaddi: 1) not true & 2) i spend *way* too much time on the computer ;)
[23:32] <kaddi> I'm going to mess with the kernels another day, I'm not in the mood of rebooting today :p
[23:32] <ign0ramus> kaddi: in all honesty, I don't think you'll notice that much of a difference, as far as graphics are concerned. :/
[23:33] <kaddi> yeah I'm gonna check if disabling KMS helps
[23:33] <ign0ramus> kaddi: that's something i haven't tried (!)... let me know if it works out
[23:33] <kaddi> I've had issue with that before (absolutely no output to the screen)
[23:33] <kaddi> disabling it brought it right back :D
[23:35] <ign0ramus> kaddi: do you have the GM965?
[23:36] <kaddi> yeah, I think so
[23:36] <kaddi> but that's not the PC where I had no output with KSM enabled
[23:37] <kaddi> KMS
[23:37] <ign0ramus> kaddi: i'm checking out the modesetting for KMS, and its using the i915 module...
[23:37] <ign0ramus> kaddi: *in the tutorial
[23:37] <kaddi> modeset=0 disables it iirc
[23:37] <kaddi> that would have been my approach :p
[23:38] <ign0ramus> kaddi: where are you putting that line?
[23:38] <kaddi> grub menu editor behind the line to start the kernel
[23:38] <kaddi> as a switch of the kernel to start, somewhat
[23:38] <ign0ramus> kaddi: does that work in grub2?
[23:38] <kaddi> uh don't know
[23:38] <kaddi> I still have the old one
[23:39] <ign0ramus> kaddi: ahh... yeah, grub2 is definitely... different
[23:39] <ign0ramus> not sure if i like it yet
[23:39] <genii> !grub2
[23:39] <kaddi> lol, yeah I heard that much
[23:39] <ign0ramus> no grub.conf any more. different config file, but the syntax is not how it used to be
[23:39] <genii> You have to edit the /etc/default/grub file now and no longer menu.lst , etc etc
[23:40] <ign0ramus> genii: yes. that.
[23:45] <kaddi> lol, killing of plasma, when you're not running kwin as windowmanager isn't a good idea apparently :p
[23:45] <ign0ramus> kaddi: haha
[23:45] <kaddi> alt-f2 still works though :)
[23:45] <ign0ramus> kaddi: <3 krunner
[23:46] <kaddi> I had to find out the other day the killing explorer in Windows, also robs you of the windows-hotkeys.. which would have been nice to relaunch explorer at that point :p
[23:46] <kaddi> (ctrl-alt-del still worked though :))
[23:46] <ign0ramus> kaddi: there's a run command from ctrl+alt+del  ;)
[23:47] <kaddi> I know, that's why I mentioned it ;)
[23:48] <ign0ramus> kaddi: gotcha :) also, explorer respawns after a minute or so (or at least should)
[23:49] <ign0ramus> ok, gotta run. i always come in for a quick question, and end up staying way too long
[23:49] <ign0ramus> good night guys. i'll have one for #kubuntu tonight
[23:50] <RenatoSilva> does anyone have had problems with bridge network mode when Kubuntu is virtualized with VirtualBox?
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> I just can't enable it, nic config just doesn't work, not even manual config