[00:03] <SpamapS> hazmat: https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/txaws/drop-epsilon/+merge/87700 ... nice juicy txaws change for you to review. :)
[00:04] <hazmat> tasty
[00:04] <hazmat> SpamapS, nice
[00:04] <SpamapS> next on the hit list is pytz
[00:05] <hazmat> that ones harder
[00:05] <SpamapS> not really
[00:06] <SpamapS> only used for UTC
[00:06] <hazmat> not sure what the usage is, but as far as replacements..
[00:06] <SpamapS> which dateutil also has
[00:06] <hazmat> cool
[00:06] <SpamapS> if we're going to pull txaws into main, might as well get txaws using the existing main stuff rather than expand main even further
[00:08] <hazmat> SpamapS, sounds good to me
[00:11] <hazmat> hmm.. utc support should be builtin
[00:12] <hazmat> oh.. its there for constant
[00:12] <hazmat> sad
[00:14] <hazmat> ah.. there tzinfo object instances
[00:14] <SpamapS> yeah, just need datetime.datetime.utcnow()
[00:15] <nijaba> I seem to run into cases where hooks are skiped when running juju on lxc.  anyone seeing this?
[00:16] <SpamapS> hm, its not quite the same thing.. datetime.utcnow() will return a naive datetime.. I need it to be a UTC datetime
[00:16] <hazmat> SpamapS, as you said dateutil includes the nesc utc tzinfo impl
[00:16] <hazmat> nijaba, skipped ? or not observed ;-)
[00:16] <hazmat> nijaba, which hooks in particular (start/install)?
[00:17] <nijaba> hazmat: skipped as in state: running but obviously the install hook was never called
[00:17] <SpamapS> yeah exactly, just had to wrap my head around it
[00:17] <hazmat> nijaba, is the hook executable?
[00:18] <hazmat> nijaba, i'd check the unit agent log on unit's disk to verify, it will skip if not found
[00:18] <nijaba> hazmat: it is.  and what's funny is that it happens when I start two unit of the same service in short time period.  One does it fine, the other one does not
[00:19]  * nijaba looks at the log
[00:19] <hazmat> nijaba, can you pastebin the unit agent log from one thats being skipped?
[00:21] <hazmat> nijaba, there shouldn't be any way for that to happen, to get to started it passes through install/start transitions which execute relevant hooks. i'm happy to take a look though
[00:22] <hazmat> SpamapS, its a drop in replacement for the imports UTC/tzutc, the only delta of note is the unit test
[00:23] <hazmat> for the FixedOffset test
[00:23] <SpamapS> hazmat: yeah, I don't even think I need dateutil .. as datetime.utcnow().replace(tzinfo=tzinfo('UTC')) seems to work fine
[00:23] <hazmat> SpamapS, cool.. i could have sworn it was builtin
[00:24] <nijaba> hazmat: ok, I think I know where it comes from.  I started debug-hook before the unit was ready, went to have dinner, came back, the debug-hook timed out on the "accept key" prompt and installed was never actually run
[00:24] <SpamapS> hazmat: you get the UTC time, but to be identical, you need tzinfo to be set just like pytz does it
[00:25] <hazmat> "An object d of type time or datetime may be naive or aware. d is aware if d.tzinfo is not None and d.tzinfo.utcoffset(d) does not return None. If d.tzinfo is None, or if d.tzinfo is not None but d.tzinfo.utcoffset(d) returns None, d is naive."
[00:26] <nijaba> hazmat: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/794426/
[00:27] <hazmat> nijaba, ah.. so debug-hooks was running and exited, so the hooks where run and there was no start hook
[00:27] <hazmat> thats still a little odd
[00:27] <hazmat> ah the cli client connection to zk timed out, removing debug mode
[00:28] <hazmat> nijaba, did your laptop sleep or network get interuppted?
[00:28] <nijaba> hazmat: well, it is quite logical. for the unit, I was in debug hook mode, so nothing was run (was waiting for me to launch it).  Since the session timed out  before I got back, it continued without ever running it
[00:29] <nijaba> hazmat: nope, just left alone for 3h
[00:29] <hazmat> there isn't an explicit timeout on debug hook sessions, but if the client looses connectivity for any reason it is ended
[00:30] <hazmat> time for dinner bbiab
[00:30] <nijaba> hazmat: the time out is on the client side for me to accept connecting to a host with a new key
[00:33] <nijaba> is there a way to tell juju (lxc) to create the guest in a tmpfs ?  Would speed up tests quite a bit I think
[00:35] <nijaba> gah, I'll just mount /var/lib/lxc/ in a tmpfs...
[00:36] <hazmat> nijaba, that should work
[00:36] <hazmat> nijaba, there's support in lxc-clone for snapshots but its not something we've explored
[00:37] <hazmat> on an ssd after the first unit (which also does the master template creation) takes just a few secs
[00:37] <hazmat> at least for me
[00:37] <hazmat> er.. template lxc container creation
[00:37] <nijaba> hazmat: sorry, only a good old spinner 7200rpm here :)
[00:37] <SpamapS> hazmat: indeed, dateutil.tz's tzutc == pytz.UTC and tzoffset ~= pytz.FixedOffset
[00:48] <nijaba> whaaa.  That was fast!
[00:50] <nijaba> I have to be REALLY quick to be able to start juju debug-hook before the install hook is called
[00:54]  * nijaba just added "tmpfs /var/lib/lxc tmpfs defaults,size=3G 0 0" to his /etc/fstab
[01:01] <hazmat> nijaba, yeah.. deploy really needs an option for running with debug-hooks to help against the install/start case
[01:01] <hazmat> ie.. deploy --debug
[01:01] <nijaba> hazmat: would be nice indeed
[01:10]  * nijaba juju deploy local:bed && juju deploy local:nick && juju add-relation nick bed
[01:37] <SpamapS> hazmat: woot.. managed to replace pytz, zope.datetime, and epsilon with dateutil
[01:37] <hazmat> SpamapS, score
[01:37] <hazmat> nijaba, just don't destroy the env ;-)
[01:37]  * hazmat hibernates
[10:07] <koolhead17> nijaba: the limesurvey charm has been very helpful 2 me in understanding charms writing :)
[10:07] <nijaba> koolhead17: I am glad :)
[10:09] <koolhead17> nijaba: will you have time to review my charm later in day? i am almost done with all the blockers you mentioned in the review. I need some more time to get mysql part talking!! :P
[10:09] <nijaba> koolhead17: If not today, I'll try this we.  Ping me when you think you are good
[10:10] <koolhead17> nijaba: perfect. :)
[10:45] <koolhead17> i had accidently shutdown my machine while juju was still running and i kept getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/794719/
[10:46] <koolhead17> the only solution i found for this was to remove the files inside my data-dir
[10:46] <koolhead17> is it right way?
[10:48] <fwereade> koolhead17, I don't know for sure; but what do you get if you destroy-environment?
[10:50] <koolhead17> fwereade: well i got no solution even after trying that, so i applied the hard way :P
[10:50] <fwereade> koolhead17, fair enough -- so destroy-environment just didn't do anything?
[10:51] <koolhead17> fwereade: destroy-environment has worked for me in normal condition
[10:51] <fwereade> koolhead17, indeed, just not with a restart in between
[10:51] <koolhead17> this time my poor system hanged while juju was spawning some contaners
[10:52] <koolhead17> fwereade: i would say its my system issue and 4 that solution was what i did. :P
[10:53] <fwereade> koolhead17, well, glad it's fixed anyway ;)
[10:55] <koolhead17> fwereade: indeed!! :D
[11:37] <rbasak> Has anyone yet tried running juju on arm?
[11:38] <rbasak> I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/794755/ but not sure if it's an arm issue or it's me doing something wrong.
[11:40] <koolhead17> fwereade: i was going through my uunits.log and saw http://paste.ubuntu.com/794757/  is it okey? my charm is running well
[11:52] <nijaba> argh, looks like my lxc is stuck on something.  Getting a weird error on juju destroy-environment http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/794769/
[12:11] <koolhead17> nijaba: last time we were discussing about the possiblity of having a mail-server kind charm so we can simply use it for CMS
[12:12] <nijaba> koolhead17: yep.  And I hinted that this may not be the only option we want to offer.  it is often a better choice to point the CMS to an external SMTP server rather than forcing to deploy one in the juju environment
[12:13] <nijaba> koolhead17: which is what I did for roundcube and limesurvey
[12:16] <fwereade> koolhead17, I'm afraid I don't know about that at all :(
[12:17] <koolhead17> nijaba: yeah am going through the charm!! :P
[12:18] <koolhead17> nijaba: fwereade in my charm case, the mail server simply needed to send password reset msg.
[12:19] <nijaba> koolhead17: so either use a local smtp server or point to an external one
[12:22] <koolhead17> nijaba: okey.
[13:02] <koolhead17> nijaba: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charm/oneiric/limesurvey/trunk/view/head:/config.yaml  i see information about the mailserver settings, i can use something equivalant
[13:03] <nijaba> koolhead17: yes, that's what I would suggest
[13:04] <koolhead17> nijaba: but i  don`t see any of the mail server related package getting installed via Install file of the charm, am i missing something?
[13:06]  * koolhead17 is bit confused :P
[13:12] <koolhead17> shit, we can use remote host for that as you suggested nijaba , stupid me
[13:20] <nijaba> koolhead17: right, but let's keep the s**t out :)
[13:40] <koolhead17> nijaba: :)
[14:36] <rbasak> running juju locally (lxc), juju is calling lxc is calling debootstrap without a proxy. Any idea how I can set one? debootstrap will accept an http_proxy environment variable AFAIK, but I don't know how to set it in the middle
[14:38] <koolhead17> nijaba: so limesurvey mysql db while imported in mysql db contains authentication credentials like user: admin password: password, i am reading the readme.txt?
[14:39] <nijaba> koolhead17: yes
[14:40] <koolhead17> nijaba: aah nice, which means we are importing the db and accordingly adding the credentials in its config file :)  This makes me feel goooooooood
[14:46] <nijaba> looks like I hit a juju bug when I have an unbound var in a peer-relation-joined.  once I have this condition, relation events won't be processed anymore until I restart my environment http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/794903/
[14:47] <nijaba> hazmat: want me to open a bug for this ^?
[15:36] <m_3> reminder to update your lxc caches (P _and_ O) and whatever you need in apt-cacher-ng caches before travel
[15:46] <nijaba> m_3: may sound silly, but what are P and O lxc caches
[15:47] <m_3> nijaba: sorry, local juju deployment caches for precise and oneiric
[15:48] <nijaba> m_3: thanks, much clearer!
[15:48] <m_3> i.e., bootstrap and deploy something with each series so the base install gets built out
[15:48] <nijaba> rght
[15:51] <m_3> the harder one to handle is apt-cacher-ng... gotta spin up whatever charms you might wanna work with offline
[15:53] <_mup_> Bug #912812 was filed: Error condition on relation hooks locks events processing <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/912812 >
[16:56] <hazmat> hmm
[17:02] <nijaba> hmhmm?
[17:36] <hazmat> nijaba, do you have the complete log for that unit agent
[17:37] <nijaba> hazmat: killed it, but will reproduced
[17:41] <hazmat> nijaba, cool, i think i've worked it out, thats a rather serious bug issue imo
[17:42] <nijaba> hazmat: looked like it to me.  I opened a bug, if you did not see
[17:42] <hazmat> nijaba, got it just commenting on it now
[17:48] <nijaba> hmmm, looks like this bug is even worse than I thought.  After destroying my env and bootstraping a new one, a new deploy seems to block
[17:49] <nijaba> short of rebooting my system, what do I need to wipe to restart from a clean state?
[17:49] <koolhead17> nijaba: i have fixed most of the blockers you mentioned in 1st review, if you have time please review it  :)
[17:49] <koolhead17> https://code.launchpad.net/~koolhead17/charm/oneiric/owncloud2/trunk
[17:53] <nijaba> koolhead17: looking
[17:58] <nijaba> koolhead17: just our of curiosity, why in start are you using 'service apache2 start' and in stop '/etc/init.d/apache2 stop' ?  just curious, as both should work, but would tend to use the same form in both.
[17:58] <hazmat> nijaba, huh? simplying destroying the env should resolve it
[17:58] <hazmat> actually just removing the unit would suffice, its a local unit problem
[17:59] <koolhead17> nijaba: :P lemme check it.
[18:00] <nijaba> hazmat: well, it might be something else, but my first unit in the new env has been pending for 15min now.  it's a bit long for lxc in a tmpfs :(
[18:01] <koolhead17> nijaba: because i wrote that part long time ago :P just modified it
[18:02] <nijaba> koolhead17: your changes look good to me :)
[18:02] <nijaba> koolhead17: can't wait for the mysql part!
[18:04] <nijaba> koolhead17: do you want to wait for that until we promulgate? if not, please change the bug status to "fix-commited" and comment on the changes you made
[18:05] <nijaba> hazmat: you interested in my current lock state or should I go ahead an reboot?
[18:06] <hazmat> nijaba, yes i'd like a pastebin of the unit agent log in complete
[18:06] <hazmat> nijaba, oh the locked state, sure
[18:06] <koolhead17> nijaba: it currently works without any issue and uses sqlite, i will change it to fix-commited with comment that mysql integration part working with.
[18:06] <hazmat> nijaba, can you pastebin a ps aux process listing
[18:06] <nijaba> hazmat: sure
[18:09] <nijaba> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/795106/
[18:10] <hazmat> nijaba, yeah.. i've seen that occasionally lxc-wait basically hangs..
[18:10] <hazmat> lxc-wait -n nbarcet-lxc-roundcube-0 -s RUNNING
[18:10] <hazmat> nijaba, what's the output of lxc-ls ?
[18:11] <hazmat> that should show if the container is running
[18:11] <nijaba> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/795107/
[18:11]  * nijaba loves pastebinit
[18:12] <hazmat> nijaba, me too.. last one.. could you pastebin the machine agent log
[18:13] <nijaba> hazmat: the one in the unit?  Can't ssh to it at this point
[18:14] <hazmat> nijaba, /home/nbarcet/tmp/juju/nbarcet-lxc/machine-agent.log
[18:15] <hazmat> nijaba, the unit log files are on local disk as well and symlinked in to the data-dir, although not sure that works across disk partitions like you've setup
[18:16] <SpamapS> nijaba: 11.10 or precise?
[18:16] <SpamapS> I believe there have been quite a few fixes to lxc in precise
[18:16] <nijaba> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/795113/
[18:16] <hazmat> i think this is an lxc issue, but not one reported upstream yet
[18:16] <nijaba> SpamapS: 11.10
[18:17] <hazmat> hmm.. so the container start fails, and then the lxc-wait hangs because the container isn't started
[18:18] <hazmat> i guess the question is why the container start failed, which should be in the container console log under /home/nbarcet/tmp/juju/nbarcet-lxc/units/roundcube-0/
[18:18] <hazmat> nijaba, okay.. last one ;-) could you pastebin the files in that dir?
[18:18] <SpamapS> hazmat: and why lxc-wait doesn't return an error when start has failed.
[18:20] <nijaba> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/795117/
[18:20] <hazmat> SpamapS, we should probably lxc-wait on more than just start to detect the failure and avoid the machine agent hang, the lxc processes have completed, but understanding why the container fails would be nice helpful as well
[18:21] <hazmat> hmm.. that looks normal
[18:21] <koolhead17> Is it a good idea to have charm for splunk?
[18:21] <nijaba> hazmat: arg...  truncated by pastebinit
[18:21] <nijaba> hazmat: then end is not normal, wait a sec
[18:23] <nijaba> hazmat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/795123/
[18:23] <SpamapS> hazmat: indeed.. RUNNING|STOPPED maybe?
[18:23] <SpamapS> koolhead17: the splunk server, yes. The splunk agent? not until subordinate services land (soon I think)
[18:24] <nijaba> SpamapS: splunk wa my first use case to justify "virtual" charms, which we now call subordinates ;)
[18:25] <jcastro> koolhead17: dude nice work there with owncloud
[18:25] <koolhead17> SpamapS: i have two questions, 1) it has separate pkg for 32 and 64 bit.  2) it asks you to fill company details your name before it lets you download them actually.  How to overcome this part :D
[18:25] <jcastro> we just need the mysql parts right?
[18:25] <koolhead17> jcastro: thanks sir!!
[18:26] <koolhead17> jcastro: yes i will get it hopefully by monday/tuesday.
[18:26] <SpamapS> nijaba: I actually don't think they're at all similar, virtual and subordinate. We just happen to be able to mimic the end-result of virtual charms using subordinate ones.. but I'm still not really "happy" with that sort of hack. :p
[18:27] <nijaba> jcastro: actually, I think we can promulgate as is, without the mysql part, as the limit is clearly stated in the readme.  do you agree?
[18:27] <SpamapS> nijaba: a virtual service would be a charm that doesn't need a machine... so the hooks would run once, in one place. using a subordinate charm, we have to run the hooks on every machine that gets related to it..and, IMO, they will end up being more complicated.
[18:27] <jcastro> I agree, I mean, if it's for personal use, I don't need mysql
[18:27] <jcastro> the person who wants to deploy it for tons of  users will want mysql and will find the bug report and/or fix it.
[18:27] <koolhead17> jcastro:  i can write saperate charm for mysql if its good idea :P
[18:28] <jcastro> but we do have a bug on the charm for mysql
[18:28] <nijaba> SpamapS: well, not really, as long as we do not have to start a container for it, I think it is the right way to go after quite a bit of brainstorming with jimbaker
[18:28] <jcastro> koolhead17: config option?
[18:28] <koolhead17> jcastro: currently it just works with sqlite
[18:28] <nijaba> jcastro: what bug for for mysql?
[18:28] <SpamapS> nijaba: this means that for an ELB charm, you have to copy the ELB credentials to every single machine.
[18:29] <hazmat> SpamapS, yup re RUNNING|STOPPED
[18:29] <nijaba> koolhead17: yes, we want to avoid duplicating charms, use config options instead
[18:29] <jcastro> nijaba: oh hey, check this out: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcoceppi/charm/oneiric/owncloud2/mysql
[18:29] <nijaba> SpamapS: why not provide them in config?
[18:30] <jcastro> here we go, nijaba, let me find marco and see if that's review worthy
[18:30] <SpamapS> nijaba: they'll be in config.. and copied, to *every* machine.
[18:30] <jcastro> and we'll just fix it
[18:31] <SpamapS> nijaba: a virtual charm would have those credentials isolated to a single machine, most likely a provisioning machine.
[18:31] <SpamapS> I realize this is moot while we have no ACL isolation for ZK
[18:31] <hazmat> nijaba, thanks thats helpful
[18:32] <SpamapS> nijaba: its a workaround, not a solution, thats all.
[18:32] <nijaba> SpamapS: agreed
[18:32] <nijaba> hazmat: np
[18:32]  * nijaba reboots
[18:33] <SpamapS> Most places currently have similar problems.. root on any puppet box can read the entire corpus of puppet manifests and files in the puppet master.
[18:33] <hazmat> SpamapS, really?
[18:34] <hazmat> so they get transport level security with certs but no resource access granularity ?
[18:34] <SpamapS> That may be different now..
[18:35] <SpamapS> but in the past, it was true, the cert process was just to verify that you were allowed to read the puppet manifests and files
[18:35] <SpamapS> Its then entirely up to your puppet run to do whatever you will with that information.
[18:35] <_mup_> Bug #912879 was filed: Machine agent hangs if lxc container start fails <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/912879 >
[18:35] <SpamapS> hazmat: the key difference between that and our ZK problem is that its global *read*
[18:38] <hazmat> ic
[18:40] <koolhead17> SpamapS: splunk asks you to register an account to download there pkg, do u think its good idea to work on its charm?
[18:41] <nijaba> koolhead17: <Canonical hat on>I have add some discussion with them, so I would wait for subordintate to land and discussion to conclude<canonical hat off>
[18:41] <SpamapS> koolhead17: IMO, no, I'd focus on 100% open source software ..
[18:41] <nijaba> s/add/had
[18:42]  * hazmat lunches
[18:42] <nijaba> bon appetit
[18:42] <koolhead17> SpamapS: nijaba thanks. :)
[19:00] <nijaba> koolhead17: just promulgated your owncloud charm!
[19:00] <nijaba> jcastro: blogging material? ^^
[19:01] <jcastro> yep
[19:01] <jcastro> already working on it
[19:02] <jcastro> Friday, close to EOD? That's when all the new charms land.
[19:02] <jcastro> :)
[19:02] <SpamapS> wow.. ZK's internal test suite is pretty comprehensive
[19:02] <SpamapS> jcastro: friday is hack day. :)
[19:05]  * nijaba hopes secretly that it will also be a bit of a review/merge day for SpamapS :]
[19:06]  * koolhead17 kicks himself, why on earth he was not aware about pastebinit
[19:26] <nijaba> SpamapS: it looks like we may have an issue with versioning in charm-helppers-daily: the last daily build failed because of that...
[19:43] <jcastro> SpamapS: hey, can you do a "charm get owncloud" and tell me what happens?
[19:43] <jcastro> mine comes up with an empty bzr branch?!
[19:45] <SpamapS> jcastro: you did something wrong.. or charm tools is broke
[19:45] <SpamapS> jcastro: works fine for me
[19:45] <SpamapS> $ charm get owncloud
[19:45] <SpamapS> Branched 8 revisions.
[19:45] <jcastro> nm, I am not able to reproduce
[19:45] <jcastro> weird
[19:47] <jcastro> ok so this threw me off
[19:47] <jcastro> koolhead17: the charm is "owncloud"
[19:48] <jcastro> but the service is owncloud2
[19:48] <koolhead17> jcastro: it should be owncloud2 because its the latest version, owncloud by default is older version 1 in our repo
[19:49] <koolhead17> jcastro: it be good if it is owncloud2
[19:49] <jcastro> oh, so we have owncloud1 in the archive I see as "owncloud"
[19:50] <koolhead17> jcastro: no, owncloud as in pkg on ubuntu repository, this charm is working with owncloud version 2 so i have used owncloud2 everwhere
[19:50] <koolhead17> *everywhere
[19:51] <jcastro> ah, except "charm get owncloud2" doesn't work
[19:51] <koolhead17> jcastro: i think that should be its proper path :)
[19:52] <koolhead17> but  i see nijaba has used https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charm/oneiric/owncloud/trunk
[19:52] <jcastro> yeah I am just saying it should be consistant one way or the other
[19:52] <jcastro> wether it explicitly says 2 or not doesn't matter to me
[19:55] <koolhead17> jcastro: what should i do now sir :)
[19:55] <jcastro> nijaba: or SpamapS: can we make it so "charm get owncloud2" works, I'd like my video to be consistant when I record it
[19:55] <jcastro> koolhead17: I think they fix this in the store, not sure, asking now. :)
[19:55] <koolhead17> jcastro: :P
[19:56] <SpamapS> $ charm get owncloud2
[19:56] <SpamapS> owncloud2 does not exist in official charm store.
[19:57] <SpamapS> why would we have 'owncloud' and 'owncloud2' ?
[19:59] <jcastro> making it so it's just all "owncloud" is fine by me
[20:03] <SpamapS> nijaba: about the charm-tools versioning thing.. that happens sometimes, I don't think its a real problem tho
[20:06] <jcastro> SpamapS: ok so what should we do?
[20:06] <jcastro> (sorry to be annoying but I'd love to videocast this right now. :)
[20:10] <adam_g> whats the environments.yaml option to install from a specific juju PPA?
[20:10] <hazmat> juju-origin: ppa
[20:11] <adam_g> hazmat: danke
[20:11]  * hazmat double checks
[20:11] <hazmat> yup
[20:15] <SpamapS> jcastro: it looks like the 'owncloud' charm downloads and installs 2.0.1 .. whats there to change?
[20:15] <SpamapS> jcastro: if its not packaged.. sobeit. :-P
[20:16] <jcastro> SpamapS: I mean the namespace
[20:16] <jcastro> charm get is "owncloud"
[20:16] <jcastro> but the service and stuff for the charm is "owncloud2"
[20:16] <SpamapS> AH
[20:16] <SpamapS> yes fix that, I'd suggest by changing the charm itself
[20:17] <SpamapS> easier to fix the contents of a branch than rename it
[20:17] <jcastro> ok
[20:17] <jcastro> koolhead17: got time to rename it now?
[20:17] <koolhead17> SpamapS: but when i say owncloud, as per our repo<ownclous pkg avaiblablity> it means older version, sorry if am wrong
[20:18] <koolhead17> ubuntu package
[20:18] <jcastro> well, at some point the package "owncloud" in the repo is just 2.x
[20:18] <SpamapS> packages and charms are in a different namespace
[20:18] <koolhead17> apt-get install owncloud will as of now give 1.1
[20:18] <SpamapS> in this case, its just a version difference
[20:19] <SpamapS> so I say, change name: owncloud2 to name: owncloud , and be done with it.
[20:19] <koolhead17> SpamapS: okey, so am doing it as you suggested :P
[20:19] <koolhead17> jcastro: 2 mins
[20:19] <jcastro> \o/
[20:20] <koolhead17> jcastro: what changes am i supposed to do other than replacing owncloud2 to owncloud inside charm?
[20:20] <jcastro> that should be it?
[20:20] <jcastro> SpamapS: right?
[20:22] <SpamapS> we need to fix readme.txt too
[20:22]  * SpamapS ponders making 'charm promulgate' ensure that this doesn't happen again
[20:25] <koolhead17> SpamapS:  readme needs to be modified to charm get owncloud, instead my bzr repo url ?
[20:26] <nijaba> looks like I messed up a bit my first promulgate...  maybe before making a tool, we could have a checklist?
[20:27] <nijaba> koolhead17: yep, that would be better
[20:27] <koolhead17> nijaba: i will fix it right away, looking at the roundcube file for help :)
[20:27] <jcastro> I have a spot for a checklist here: https://juju.ubuntu.com/CharmGuide
[20:28] <SpamapS> koolhead17: the readme doesn't need to even mention how to "get" the charm
[20:28] <SpamapS> just how to use it
[20:28] <koolhead17> SpamapS: okey, sorry for missing on that :(
[20:28] <SpamapS> if you have the readme, you already got the charm.. or you're on the charm browser site, which should maybe have something copy/pastable on it.. like 'to get this charm,   charm get owncloud'
[20:29] <nijaba> jcastro: yup, but can we edit it?
[20:29] <SpamapS> koolhead17: smile, you're about to get blogged about. :)
[20:29] <jcastro> nijaba: you should be able to, try it and lmk
[20:29] <nijaba> jcastro: immutable page
[20:32] <jcastro> grr, ok, when we figure out a list I will just add it
[20:35] <koolhead17> jcastro: i have added the modification in my 9th revision just now :)
[20:35] <koolhead17> SpamapS: nijaba modified the files as suggested
[20:37] <adam_g> hey guys, it looks like the precise  juju ppa is stuck at r434 while oneiric is up to r440. any chance of syncing up? there happens to be  a critical fix for orchestra missing :)
[20:39] <SpamapS> adam_g: I believe the daily builds are failing because of java problems. :-P
[20:39] <SpamapS> adam_g: I suppose we can do a manual upload
[20:40] <adam_g> SpamapS: ah, makes sense
[20:40] <adam_g> SpamapS: if you wouldn't mind, it'd be helpful (especially in prepartion for next week)
[20:40] <SpamapS> adam_g: its quite unfortunate but has something to do with java and the way it overcommits memory you can't even install it on the virtual buildds
[20:40] <SpamapS> sometimes
[20:40] <SpamapS> which is the frustarting part
[20:40] <SpamapS> frustrating even
[20:49] <koolhead17> SpamapS: please put my latest revision in the charm repository, i have added few more details in readme.txt :)
[20:49] <SpamapS> koolhead17: branch?
[20:50] <koolhead17> SpamapS: bazaar.launchpad.net/~koolhead17/charm/oneiric/owncloud2/trunk
[20:52] <koolhead17> how will i explain about juju to someone who thinks juju is like puppet/chef? i tried explaining juju is a layer above it. i would love to get some info on same
[20:54] <SpamapS> koolhead17: show them how your charm can work with the haproxy charm without either of them ever sharing code
[20:54] <SpamapS> koolhead17: and without ever learning ruby, or a new language like puppet's DSL
[20:55]  * koolhead17 notes down
[20:57] <koolhead17> SpamapS: also another question, in order to run charm --> application , juju has to keep running? If we will upgrade juju version, will it effect the working/running of existing instances which are deployed via the charms
[20:58] <SpamapS> koolhead17: upgrades are still up in the air. Eventually we'll need to go to each box and upgrade its agent.. stop/start..etc.
[20:59] <SpamapS> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~coolhead17/charm/oneiric/owncloud2/trunk/".
[20:59] <SpamapS> doh
[20:59] <SpamapS> k
[20:59] <koolhead17> SpamapS: :P
[21:00] <SpamapS> +> juju get owncloud
[21:01] <SpamapS> thats incorrect
[21:01] <koolhead17> +> juju get owncloud ?
[21:02] <SpamapS> koolhead17: thats from your readme
[21:02] <koolhead17> SpamapS: i used > juju get owncloud
[21:02] <koolhead17> what should i modify it to ?
[21:02] <SpamapS> koolhead17: the + is not what I mean
[21:02] <SpamapS> it shouldn't be there
[21:02] <SpamapS> if they have the readme, they already have the charm
[21:02] <koolhead17> ooh ok
[21:02] <koolhead17> so removing that whole part
[21:02] <SpamapS> also thats not even valid advice.. it would be 'charm get'
[21:03] <SpamapS> and really, you mean 'juju deploy
[21:03] <koolhead17> ooh ok
[21:03] <SpamapS> Step 1 is 'juju deploy --repository=charms local:owncloud' ..
[21:03] <SpamapS> step 2 would be to expose it
[21:03] <koolhead17> k
[21:03] <SpamapS> 'juju expose owncloud'
[21:04] <koolhead17> k
[21:04] <SpamapS> then step 3 would be Access.. 4 user account.. etc. etc.
[21:04] <koolhead17> SpamapS: 1 minute modifying it
[21:04] <SpamapS> koolhead17: you have tested this on your eucalyptus, right?
[21:04] <koolhead17> SpamapS: no on LXC
[21:04] <SpamapS> ahh ok, it doesn't have a firewall ;)
[21:05] <koolhead17> SpamapS: yeah :P
[21:05] <koolhead17> i been pissed and i failed using juju on my openstack because of internal network
[21:06] <koolhead17> a friend of mine will be here, he has setup of eucalyptus running
[21:06] <koolhead17> on mon/tue
[21:09] <koolhead17> SpamapS: revision 13 should have all changes you suggested
[21:25] <SpamapS> koolhead17: merged, pushed. Thanks!
[21:25] <SpamapS> jcastro: ^^
[21:26]  * koolhead17 can finally go sleep :)
[21:49]  * SpamapS curses that launchpad still doesn't support jira external bug trackers. :-P
[22:36] <_mup_> juju/ssh-known_hosts r474 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:36] <_mup_> Test key layout for ssh-keygen


[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:34] <cry0xen> guys, I am bit curious about the source code installation process. few days ago I installed my realtek wireless driver using git-bash process and suddenly it was gone. I believe I git clone to my desktop folder and later removed it by mistake while cleaning up. tar sources are also installed using the same bash process. someone here taught me about check install and thnx to him now my random experiences are going lot smoother i need to understand
[08:34] <cry0xen> what happens to these source extracts. If i remove them does the installed software gets removed?
[09:06] <crax23> No, the driver module gets installed into /usr/lib/module at 'make install' stage for ex. the sources in your git folder don't matter anymore. Same goes for a program it goes installed in /usr/local/ usually.
[09:21] <cry0xen> thank you so much. makes sense
[09:29] <cry0xen> it wouldve been nicer if there was a installer for this kinda thing. and from the looks of it, the process is same whether the source obtained from git clone or tar.
[09:38] <crax23> People who use Ubuntu usually stick to the apps from the package manager, or snaps etc, they don't build things from sources, only if you need a very special thing or to modify a software yourself or..for drivers.
[09:40] <crax23> For a normal user or even for a server machine it usually uneeded. Even developer they may only build out their own software but won't build drivers or gimp etc, they use the packaged version.
[09:48] <cry0xen> I am trying to install regular apps and more than half of them are not available on appstore. ryt now i am looking for redshift alternative (redshift doesnt work cause of location issue) and it was samewith auscoumer 600 driver, xubuntu doclike plugin, baka-mplayer and so on.
[09:53] <cry0xen> as i cant do anything by myself all i can do is to learn the ways and hope for better methods in future. i have only gone through 5 (ppa-deb/softwere manager/flatpak/snap/bash) and may be a few more installation process left that i need to teach myself
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> cry0xen: try firefox dark reader addon
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> combined with gnome dark mode, i got my systems dark and good for my eyes
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> https://darkreader.org/
[09:56] <cry0xen> ahh thank you
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> i dont like redshift & night light too much myself
[10:00] <cry0xen> however they do help a lot. specially now doctor has recommended me eye drops to my eyes moist.
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> i dont know much about the medical part of redshift & co
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> does it really filter the bad things out
[10:05] <cry0xen> i dont know about technical things either. All i know whenever i lower it to 4200 my eyes feel more comfortable looking at screen
[10:07] <cry0xen> its not a mental thingy. it happens with my smartphone too. so i always keep it turned on (with low brightness) unless I am watching video
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> cry0xen: android has a dark mode too
[15:45] <luna> watching the Ubuntu Pro Webinar and might start working with Ubuntu at the new work i might start at in 2 weeks
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> did you score a canonical job luna ?
[15:46] <luna> nope
[15:46] <luna> work at the local commune
[15:46] <luna> but they install Ubuntu on older computers for some people
[15:49] <luna> when the Windows license has expired or they are too old to run Windows 10 properly
[16:05] <Y05hito__> Luna in EU country?
[16:06] <luna> Y05hito__: yeah
[16:06] <luna> Sweden
[16:06] <Y05hito__> ok.
[18:24] <cry0xen> what are dependencies for baka-mplayer or mpc-qt
[18:24] <cry0xen> where do I get them
[18:24] <cry0xen> https://github.com/u8sand/Baka-MPlayer/
[18:25] <cry0xen> https://github.com/mpc-qt/mpc-qt
[18:26] <murmel> cry0xen: they are likely in the repos
[18:26] <cry0xen> I tried to install them but failed
[18:26] <murmel> how?
[18:27] <cry0xen> qmake?
[18:27] <murmel> there is qmake6 and qmake5 in 22.10 repos
[18:29] <murmel> cry0xen: apt search --names-only <package> will probably help you find the correct package
[18:33] <cry0xen> murmel: https://files.catbox.moe/4igcan.png
[18:36] <murmel> cry0xen: you would need to look for the right names, as every distro has different names for the same package, for example qt5-base https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qtbase
[18:37]  * cry0xen jumps from 3rd floor
[18:39] <cry0xen> thnx man.... it worked. now i am stuck with building libmpv. i will try myself if i fail i have you guys :)
[18:40] <murmel> cry0xen: oO libmpv-dev?
[18:40] <cry0xen> yeah
[18:40] <murmel> which exists? so why build it from source
[18:41] <cry0xen> yeah i just found that from apt search. i thought app developers like their users "sucker for abuse"
[18:42] <daftykins> puzzled why you're installing exotic things to start with tbh
[18:42] <cry0xen> old story u already know. network stream
[18:43] <daftykins> o0
[18:43] <daftykins> nevermind everyone's life needs a bit of mystery!
[18:44] <murmel> yeah I also wonder, using mpv just fine with network streams
[18:46] <cry0xen> i am having trouble on xubuntu
[18:46] <murmel> with?
[18:48] <murmel> cry0xen: as xubuntu uses the same mpv, I wonder which problems you have
[18:49] <cry0xen> seek while playing network streams
[18:50] <murmel> cry0xen: can you give an example link?
[18:51] <cry0xen> In my country ISP provide ftp servers full of multimedia contents (like 300-400 TB of contents)
[18:51] <cry0xen> https://imgur.com/K4sqptf.png
[18:51] <cry0xen> i want to have supreme potplayer experience that i used to have back in windows
[18:51] <daftykins> 100% doubt an ISP is conducting piracy
[18:51] <cry0xen> https://potplayer.daum.net/
[18:52]  * daftykins walks away
[18:53] <murmel> cry0xen: honestly, before building from source, try the flatpak version if that works, as it's newer
[18:53] <murmel> so you know if you want to compile it
[18:54] <cry0xen> theres a flatpak // ... where
[18:54] <murmel> https://flathub.org/apps/details/io.mpv.Mpv
[18:55] <cry0xen> oh mpv
[18:55] <murmel> so? it's literally what baka uses
[18:55] <murmel> baka is just a random gui for mpv
[18:56] <cry0xen> i understand that however some media player is performing better than others... its not that i havent tried
[18:56] <cry0xen> moonplayer clipper passed
[18:57] <cry0xen> vlc crashes when i seek
[18:57] <cry0xen> i started with arch wiki app list
[18:57] <cry0xen> trying through all the apps
[18:57] <murmel> cry0xen: sounds like it's not software issue then
[18:59] <cry0xen> i dunno but i wanna try and do as much experiment so that i can learn and understand the system/commands faster. when the system breaks i will wipe and install stable lubuntu
[19:00] <cry0xen> ryt now you jsut taught me apt search and libmpv-dev


[11:11] <seb128> cpaelzer, hey, I just saw bug #1912168. The proper process to suggest rls review for a team is usually to tag rls-<nn>-incoming and not directly target (especially without assignee)
[11:12] <cpaelzer> seb128: s/a team/some teams/ - e.g. these tags wouldn't mean anything for the server team
[11:12] <cpaelzer> seb128: good to know you follow the same as foundations
[11:12] <cpaelzer> seb128: have you added that already or should I?
[11:13] <seb128> cpaelzer, historically it was a workflow common to all 'distro' team, it's a suboptimal that server doesn't follow it ... do you guys have another way to flag issues for your team to consider?
[11:13] <cpaelzer> seb128: we triage all bugs of the packages we are susbcribed to
[11:13] <cpaelzer> no need to tag anything specially
[11:14] <seb128> well, sometime the importance is up for interpretation
[11:14] <seb128> there is still value imho in others being able to flag an issue they would like to propose for SRU or rls targetting
[11:14] <seb128> (as you just did there by adding the targetted lines)
[11:15] <cpaelzer> I added the tag to the case
[11:15] <cpaelzer> thanks for the discussion
[11:15] <seb128> thx, sorry I was about to type a reply to that
[11:16] <seb128> at least I leant that server was not follow the same process ;-)
[11:16] <cpaelzer> And in regard to our bug handling, if you add a tag or comment we will still see and think about it - all I'm saying is that our handling/triage isn't limited to those with a particular tag like this one
[11:17] <seb128> right
[11:19] <seb128> cpaelzer, glancing over the server section on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html there are a bunch of server ones that got tagged and not triaged, e.g https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drac/+bug/1897292 since septembre
[11:21] <cpaelzer> rbasak: we should later check how/why those slipped triage ^^
[11:22] <seb128> thx
[11:37] <seb128> was focal updated to the 5.8 kernel serie? (wondering due to bug 1910982)
[12:36] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I wouldn't consider those sorts of bugs within scope for our triage process anyway, though I don't know if that's the reason or if was something else.
[12:37] <rbasak> Also drac is in universe in Groovy?
[12:38] <rbasak> scope> because I'd consider work coming from FTBFS reports to be its own work item that gets prioritised as a whole, as opposed to handling piecemeal reports from bug reports that may or may not get filed
[12:38] <rbasak> s/FTBFS reports/the regular rebuild testing/
[14:47] <Laney> anyone else just get unsubscribed from the TB's list?
[14:49] <cjwatson> Yep, being discussed in ~is on MM
[14:50] <Laney> ok thanks, I'll assume I'm going to be put back :-)
[14:50] <cjwatson> Seems like the new CC got access to it and maybe thought it was meant to be a TB-members-only list or something?
[14:51] <Laney> ah yes, I got a couple of emails that explain more
[14:51] <Laney> seems like a bit of shoot first, ask questions later
[14:51] <cjwatson> Just a bit
[18:55] <marinelli> hi everyone
[18:57] <marinelli> how is it used by apt/aptitude the string passed with target release argument (eg: apt upgrade -s -t hirsute)
[18:59] <marinelli> I was having a look at the apt source code, but I was not able to find the way that argument is used
[19:01] <marinelli> I tried also with apt-cache, and it seems that something like `-t hirsute` is similar to `-t n=hirsute` instead of `-t a=hirsute`


[00:42] <hylian> hello all.
[00:52] <charlie-tca> !hi | hylian
[01:08]  * hylian thanks charlie-tca, and enjoys xfce very much.. goodbye!!!
[02:02] <Sue__> I am stuck on switch over from ubuntu to Xubuntu it seem to lode properly and then it gave a message No Support for Locale: EN_Us.utf8 I need step by step Line by LIne instruction can some one walk me thru this
[02:04] <Sue__> can anyone see me ? I mean is this shwing up my typing?
[02:09] <Sue__> hello?
[04:03] <Anom01y> hi, I have Xubuntu 10.04 installed, after doing all the updates the bootsplash is now a blurry mess. is there a way to change the bootplash or restore it ?
[10:14] <redspike> hi all, is there any application like "ubuntu-tweak" for application/repository installation that works on xubuntu ?
[10:18] <xubuntusnoopy> xubuntu is veeeery fast
[12:21] <charlie-tca> !ubuntu-tweak
[12:59] <XubuntuKris> Anybody know how to get xchat to switch to another screen when opening a url in a browser, instead of bringing the browser window to my current screen?
[13:01] <charlie-tca> Window Manager Tweaks, Focus gives two options, one to switch to the opening apps window, one to bring that app to the current window.
[13:02] <charlie-tca> It won't move xchat to the browser window, but you could set it to not move the browser to the current screen
[13:02] <XubuntuKris> Thanks. That's exactly what I'm looking for.
[13:03] <redspike> charlie-tca: ubuntu-tweak dosent work in xubuntu 11.04 ?  get some error when starting it about sudo .
[13:06] <charlie-tca> I don't use ubuntu-tweak, myself
[13:06] <charlie-tca> I have no idea what it does, actually
[13:06] <charlie-tca> I set repositories in Synaptic Package Manager
[13:07] <charlie-tca> click on Settings, Repositories
[14:31] <hylian> is there a keyboard shortcut for changing desktops in xfce? (workspaces)
[14:31] <madnick> hylian: ctrl+alt+arrow key
[14:31] <Pici> hylian: Does ctrl-alt left/right not work?
[14:32] <hylian> Yes it does, thank you!
[14:33] <hylian> madnick, Pici, it works perfect! I really don't need the workspaces switcher on the top very often, so I wanted to remove it, thanks!
[14:34] <knome> hylian, you can always just scroll on the wallpaper with mouse
[14:34] <Pici> hylian: you can also use that to 'drag' windows to other desktops by pressing the shift key at the same time.
[14:34] <knome> Pici, no need to press shift in xubuntu :)
[14:34] <knome> at least iirc, that's the default (no need for shift)
[14:35] <Pici> knome: Then how else would you specify that you wanted to bring a window with you to the next desktop?
[14:35] <knome> Pici, just drag it to the edge
[14:35] <knome> (and over)
[14:35] <Pici> knome: No, I mean using ctrl+alt+shift+arrow
[14:36] <knome> Pici, ah, yes. true with the keycombo
[14:36] <knome> i thought of dragging with mouse
[14:36] <Pici> knome: sorry, thats why I said 'dragging' in quotes ;)
[14:36] <knome> np
[14:36] <hylian> I would like to say that since I decided to escape the gnome 3 / unity options a month ago, I have not been dissapointed. xfce 4 is awesome.
[15:12] <pteague_work> any ideas as to why i can't get alt+enter to work in firefox? looking in settings -> keyboard -> application shortcuts there's nothing listed for alt+enter
[15:13] <Pici> pteague_work: What is alt+enter supposed to do?
[15:14] <pteague_work> alt+enter from urlbar is supposed to open the url in a new tab... which it's done for quite a long time - http://lifehacker.com/399252/alt%252Benter-to-open-a-typed-url-in-a-new-tab
[15:18] <charlie-tca> You should not need a shortcut in keyboard for firefox, that is an application specific shortcut defined in firefox itself
[15:20] <hylian> charlie-tca, i think pteague_work wants to know how to set it up via firefox, or in firefox...
[15:21] <charlie-tca> I would say ask mozilla, or macworld, which is what the article references
[15:21] <pteague_work> charlie-tca, yes, i realize that... i wanted to point out i had already checked to see if there was some global shortcut that might be overriding it or something
[15:21] <charlie-tca> ah, got it
[15:22] <Pici> I looked in about:config here on windows, didn't see anything relevant, perhaps you'd hav better luck?
[15:22] <charlie-tca> I don't really know if that is valid in the current firefox versions.
[15:22] <charlie-tca> That article is three years old. A lot has changed in firefox since then
[15:22] <madnick> alt+enter works fine here
[15:22] <charlie-tca> madnick: firefox version?
[15:23] <madnick> It works like this: you type an URL, then press alt+enter and it opens in a new tab
[15:23] <pteague_work> i did find https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/246236 so i know others have had the issue before... although i don't know if that is due to some global shortcut overriding it or not
[15:23] <madnick> charlie-tca: 6
[15:23] <Pici> FF3 is a bit old..
[15:23] <charlie-tca> pteague_work: which version are you using?
[15:24] <pteague_work> alt+enter worked fine up until i updated to 6 i believe
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is one of those things that only works typing the url, instead of pasting or something?
[15:24] <genii-around> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Keyboard%20shortcuts seems to indicate that emacs shortcuts can also conflict with the ones in Firefox
[15:24] <charlie-tca> pteague_work: see above: madnick says it works in 6 for him
[15:25] <hylian> pteague_work, i am runnign xubuntu 11.04 with firefox 6, and alt enter works here... i don't know what to say
[15:25] <pteague_work> genii-around, thanks, i'll dig through that & see... although if that is the case, how do i disable gnome shortcuts in xfce? ;)
[15:26] <charlie-tca> Got to be something else interferring with it then
[15:26] <genii-around> pteague_work: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Emacs_Keybindings_%28Firefox%29 looks possibly useful in this
[15:27] <pteague_work> actually...  http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Keyboard%20shortcuts#w_navigation states alt+enter for "Open Address in New Tab" from location bar or search bar... i'm noticing it works from search bar, but not in url bar which is where i need it
[15:29] <hylian> pteague_work, i just used it though in the url bar. (im too old fashioned to use the nice search bar, i just go back to google the old fashioned way...)
[15:29] <pteague_work> hylian, heh, same on the search bar
[15:34] <pteague_work> plus in a lot of cases i'm slightly modifying the url & opening multiple tabs to check different pages during development
[15:35] <hylian> pteague_work, this is probably something you have done already, but just try it going to google.com...
[15:36] <pteague_work> nope, alt+enter still acts like i just pressed enter
[15:36] <pteague_work> unless i do it specifically in the search box
[15:38] <pteague_work> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201011
[15:38] <pteague_work> oops, that's mozilla, nm
[15:41] <hylian> pteague_work, strange... could this be somehow a problem cause by an addon?
[15:42] <pteague_work> could be, but i'm not aware of any of the ones i use using alt+enter for anything...
[15:51] <genii-around> Have you tried with -safe-mode to see?
[15:58] <hylian> pteague_work, sorry, wish i was more fluent with firefox, but for me, firefox has been a "it just works" solution since 6. i used to use chrome because of how buggy firefox was with flash, but even that problem is gone now for me, sorry. :(
[16:03] <pteague_work> found the plugin... which means i need to dig through it & figure out why it's messing with that  - http://tmp.garyr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14487
[16:04] <pteague_work> hylian, buggy flash? are you on 64bit?
[16:05] <hylian> pteague_work, no.
[16:06] <pteague_work> ah, that was my problem with flash... the 32bit wrapper was crap... there's finally now a ppa for 64bit flash
[17:20] <Guest31713> hi, i am having trouble trying to make the keyboard switch to greek from us and vice versa, can anyone please help?
[17:23] <Guest31713> and for some reason i don't have a xorg.conf file...!
[19:00] <ruby90> hi, doe anyone know a real (not like http://superuser.com/questions/155758/how-to-change-keyboard-layout-change-shortcut-in-xubuntu) fix for switching keyboard layouts?
[19:02] <ruby90> anyone.....?
[19:08] <ruby90> so xfce can't handle keyboard switching...?
[19:08] <Sysi> whats wrong with that, bind that command to some hotkey in xfce keyboard settings
[19:08] <Sysi> or you can try keyboard switching panel applet, though it has been buggy
[19:08] <ruby90> thank you
[19:15] <XubuntuKris> thunar doesn't seem to recognize my home directory, keeps throwing an error saying "host is down"
[19:15] <XubuntuKris> wtf?
[19:15] <ruby90> though it's not a proper way to do things
[19:15] <XubuntuKris> Anyone know what's going on.
[19:23] <XubuntuKris> Nobody?
[19:25] <XubuntuKris> The problem started after installing a font and running the command "sudo fc-cache -f"
[19:26] <TheSheep> XubuntuKris: do you have any free space left in your home?
[19:26] <XubuntuKris> Yeah, tons
[19:26] <XubuntuKris> but I can't get to it at all
[19:27] <XubuntuKris> tells me that the "host is down"
[19:27] <TheSheep> XubuntuKris: can you get to other directories?
[19:27] <XubuntuKris> Yes, Every other directory is accessible, including directories inside my home directory (desktop, etc)
[19:28] <TheSheep> XubuntuKris: did you maybe mount some directory using samba?
[19:28] <TheSheep> XubuntuKris: what if you start thunar in your home directory from a terminal?
[19:29] <XubuntuKris> it's telling me that it cant open the home directory because the samba directory host is down.
[19:29] <XubuntuKris> how do I open home directory from terminal
[19:30] <TheSheep> XubuntuKris: 1. open terminal, 2. type 'thunar' and press enter
[19:31] <XubuntuKris> duh.lol
[19:31] <XubuntuKris> still loading, it never takes this long to load
[19:32] <TheSheep> XubuntuKris: ok, open another terminal, type 'mount' and pastebin what it says
[19:32] <TheSheep> you probably have some samba share mounted at your home by mistake
[19:33] <XubuntuKris> but it was opening fine earlier
[19:33] <XubuntuKris> like I said, it only did this after installing a font and running "sudo fc-cache -f"
[19:34] <TheSheep> that command couldn't have caused this
[19:34] <XubuntuKris> Idk, cause it was opening fine earlier today.
[19:34] <TheSheep> how did you install the font, with the software center?
[19:34] <TheSheep> maybe earlier today the windows host from which you monted the directory was available
[19:34] <TheSheep> mounted*
[19:35] <TheSheep> anyways, please pastebin the result of a 'mount' command and we will see what's wrong
[19:37] <XubuntuKris> http://pastebin.com/Zn4J82mU
[19:38] <XubuntuKris> There you go.
[19:38] <TheSheep> //JOHNSON-PC/Ozzwin/ on /home/kristopher/ozzwin type cifs (rw,mand)
[19:38] <TheSheep> yup
[19:39] <TheSheep> try this command: 'unmount /home/kristopher/ozzwin'
[19:39] <TheSheep> sorry
[19:39] <TheSheep> that's 'umount /home/kristopher/ozzwin'
[19:39] <TheSheep> without 'n'
[19:40] <XubuntuKris> umount: /home/kristopher/ozzwin mount disagrees with the fstab
[19:40] <TheSheep> fun
[19:40] <XubuntuKris> fun?
[19:40] <TheSheep> did you use giggolo?
[19:40] <XubuntuKris> use it for what?
[19:40] <TheSheep> maybe try unmounting that directory in gigolo
[19:40] <TheSheep> if you used it to mount it
[19:41] <XubuntuKris> I don't think I used gigolo to mount it.
[19:41] <TheSheep> you have a network directory mounted as /home/kristopher/ozzwin from a computer that is not available anymore
[19:41] <TheSheep> that computer is JOHNSON-PC
[19:42] <TheSheep> it tries to access it an times out, that's why it doesn't work
[19:42] <TheSheep> how did you mount that directory?
[19:42] <XubuntuKris> but the computer is available. Everything is up and running fine
[19:42] <XubuntuKris> Oh shit, we had a power outtage this morning.
[19:42] <XubuntuKris> maybe if I reset my network?
[19:43] <TheSheep> I would just unmount that directory
[19:43] <TheSheep> but no idea how you mounted it
[19:43] <XubuntuKris> gigolo won't unmount it
[19:43] <TheSheep> I hate samba :(
[19:44] <XubuntuKris> i'm gonna try resetting the network.
[19:50] <XubuntuKris> damn, same error
[19:50] <XubuntuKris> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Did you reset the other machine?
[19:51] <XubuntuKris> no, but it's in use.
[19:51] <XubuntuKris> Otherwise, I would
[19:52] <charlie-tca> I have to restart my server, then my client to get my remote directories back after power failures
[19:52] <charlie-tca> but, I don't use windows, either
[19:52] <XubuntuKris> This is my only linux machine on what is basically a windows network.lol
[19:58] <XubuntuKris> Okay, restarting the other computer
[20:30] <XubuntuKris> How do I change where an external harddrive is mounted?
[20:30] <XubuntuKris> It's physically attached to my windows desktop, and mapped to my home folder.
[20:32] <TheSheep> how did you map it?
[20:32] <TheSheep> there is a line in /etc/fstab for it maybe?
[20:32] <XubuntuKris> Yes there is
[20:33] <TheSheep> that line has the path where it is mounted
[20:33] <XubuntuKris> The drive started showing up as a broken link today for some reason.
[20:33] <XubuntuKris> And I can't access my home directory because of it.
[20:34] <TheSheep> yeah, I remember
[20:34] <XubuntuKris> Yeah,
[20:34] <XubuntuKris> I'm thinking if I change where it's mounted, I'll be able to access my home directory
[20:34] <XubuntuKris> Or hell, remove the mount entirely and start over
[20:34] <TheSheep> you have to umount it first
[20:35] <TheSheep> you can try unmounting it as root
[20:35] <XubuntuKris> this is the line for it in /etc/fstab
[20:35] <XubuntuKris> /JOHNSON-PC/Ozzwin    /home/kristopher/ozzwin        cifs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0
[20:36] <XubuntuKris> I did "sudo umount" to unmount it, and it worked
[20:36] <XubuntuKris> :D
[20:36] <XubuntuKris> a step in the right direction.
[20:36] <TheSheep> \o/
[20:37] <XubuntuKris> O.o
[20:37] <XubuntuKris> So it's unmounted
[20:37] <XubuntuKris> How do I remove it entirely?
[20:37] <TheSheep> now you should be able to access your ~ just fine
[20:38] <XubuntuKris> and then remount it
[20:38] <TheSheep> comment out that line in your /etc/fstab
[20:38] <XubuntuKris> indeed, I can access ~ just fine
[20:38] <TheSheep> oh, if you want to remount it, then just do 'mount /home/kristopher/ozzwin'
[20:39] <XubuntuKris> I already tried that, it breaks again.
[20:39] <TheSheep> well, there is some samba magic involved that I don't really understand
[20:39] <TheSheep> you could try #samba
[20:40] <XubuntuKris> Is samba my only option?
[20:41] <TheSheep> XubuntuKris: samba is the network protocol that windows computers use to send files over the network
[20:42] <XubuntuKris> So I have to use samba...
[20:42] <TheSheep> XubuntuKris: since the other computer is windows, and they don't support other protocols very well...
[20:42] <XubuntuKris> no other options.
[20:42] <XubuntuKris> dang.
[20:42] <Sysi> *smb/cifs is protocol, samba is made for using those
[20:42] <TheSheep> there might be some options that would make it more responsive when the host is down, I don't know
[20:43] <TheSheep> also, you could mount it outside of your home directory
[20:43] <TheSheep> but that doesn't really solve the problem
[20:44] <XubuntuKris> I'll look into that later, I just remounted it again, and it all works fine
[20:44] <XubuntuKris> lol.
[20:44] <XubuntuKris> and to think, all this stuff I went through and all I had to do was "sudo umount"
[20:46] <TheSheep> next time you will know
[20:46] <XubuntuKris> maybe. my memory isn't all that great.
[20:46] <XubuntuKris> lol
[21:41] <nekotreci> how can i connect to server using xubuntu ?
[21:42] <nekotreci> i use bluefish and i had ubuntu, in ubuntu i just make connection and open that as folder using bluefish
[21:43] <nekotreci> now with xubuntu i cant find option connect to server
[23:48] <Fudge> guys guys
[23:48] <Fudge> whats the default wm for xfce
[23:49] <Fudge> and how can i use metacity instead
[23:49] <gusnan> Fudge, the default wm for xfce is called xfwm.
[23:51] <Fudge> gusnan  i just used metacity --replace and then found tha ti can use gnome-panel, with gnome-orca
[23:51] <Fudge> how would i configure it, or just save session
[23:53] <gusnan> I dont know - I guess you could just save the session to get metacity to replace xfwm permanently, but I dont really see the point... If you want gnome, why dont you just install gnome?
[23:54] <Fudge> i have gnome
[23:54] <Fudge> but i want to see if xfce will run faster even though it seems i have to use most stuff from gnome
[23:55] <Fudge> i cant stop xfce4-panel from working
[23:55] <Fudge> it respawns
[23:55] <Fudge> oh -q


[14:25] <manadart> Shamown. https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8656
[14:30] <balloons> stickupkid, so you wanted to chat about status?
[14:30] <stickupkid> yeah, that would be great
[14:30] <balloons> stickupkid, in 30 mins work?
[14:31] <stickupkid> balloons: yeah, that's perfect
[17:13] <rogpeppe> if anyone's around that might be able to review this, that would be marvellous, thanks :) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8657
[17:13] <rogpeppe> balloons: ^
[17:26] <balloons> rogpeppe, do you know anything about the verbiage choices for SLA 'unsupported'?
[17:56] <cmars> balloons: i do
[17:57] <cmars> balloons: pm for any questions regarding
[17:59] <cmars> balloons: see also, state/model.go, specifically the `slaLevel` type
[18:00] <balloons> cmars, ty
[18:42] <hml> balloons: found the 0 problem… a different method copied the file too before sending over the wire - so the file handle was at EOF instead of start.  :-)
[18:42] <hml> doh
[18:43] <balloons> hml, ah-ha! Makes sense
[23:58] <wallyworld> vino: free now if you need to talk
[23:59] <vino> hey..
[23:59] <vino> iam in hangout..


[12:18] <mips1911> mr_pouit, looks like xfwm4 failed to build
[12:47] <mr_pouit> mips1911: amd64 packages are expected to fail to build (unmet dependencies), as some base libs (libxfce4ui, exo, garcon, xfconf) haven't been built yet
[12:48] <mr_pouit> and according to lp the builds will start in ~13 hours, so I can't retry the builds of other components until then
[12:53] <mr_pouit> I almost never use ppas, and each time I use them i've to wait nearly two days to get everything built... that's funny
[12:54] <drc> That's life in the fast (as in impatient) lane :)
[12:58] <mips1911> mr_pouit, thanks for the explanation.
[12:59] <mips1911> I'll just soldier on with open for now, it's treating me well :)
[12:59] <mips1911> open=openbox


[21:57] <NichyMC> hello.
[21:57] <NichyMC> Anyone in front of their computer?
[22:10] <NichyMC> that's a no then.


[03:02] <tweety> hi there, can i use 2.4 kernel in feisty ? (or howto get rid of 'FATAL: kernel too old')
[03:03] <kylem> you should be able to, but you can't use an initramfs. what are you trying to do?
[03:04] <tweety> trying to boot a feisty with my own 2.4 kernel "root=/dev/hda1 ro" (no initrd)
[03:05] <tweety> and i got a kernel panic 'Attempted to kill init!'
[03:06] <kylem> did you build in support for all your disk as modules or straight into the kernel?
[03:07] <tweety> with a <IP_ADDRESS> i386 compile on a feisty (gcc 4.1.2) with no module support
[03:07] <tweety> compiled*
[03:07] <kylem> my other guess would be that upstart uses features that 2.4 doesn't have.
[03:07] <kylem> i've not used 2.4 in years so it's kind of hard to say. :(
[03:08] <tweety> i thinks it's ldconfig which report the 'FATAL: kernel too old'
[03:10] <kylem> try export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.20
[03:14] <tweety> where ?
[03:15] <kylem> oh, i guess if you can't boot that won't work. :/
[03:16] <tweety> maybe in a init.conf like file
[03:18] <tweety> i'll try with a custom initrd
[04:36] <fabbione> nah you can't... glibc will require at least 2.6
[04:38] <tweety> yep
[04:39] <tweety> in dapper it worked, do u think it will on edgy ?
[04:39] <fabbione> no idea
[04:39] <fabbione> haven't used a 2.4 kernel in years
[05:27] <tweety> and does someone know if ubuntu-hardened is still alive ?
[06:44] <mrec> BenC: ping
[06:45] <kylem> god, how are there 70 unconfirmed again?
[06:47] <zul> kylem: because they like to toy with you
[06:47] <kylem> i should subscribe the ubuntu-bugs...
[06:47] <kylem> to you.
[06:47] <zul> no thats ok
[06:47] <zul> thanks though
[08:12] <zul> BenC: ping I have 2.6.20 running under xen and its a total dog at least x-windows at least
[08:16] <BenC> zul: Is the paravirt not working well?
[10:27] <xhaker> crimsun, you there?
[10:30] <crimsun> xhaker: hi.
[10:31] <xhaker> Hi daniel
[10:32] <xhaker> I need your help
[10:32] <xhaker> with an acer ALC883
[10:32] <crimsun> if it's a support issue, we should move to #ubuntu or #alsa
[10:32] <xhaker> i've been watching your commits for the kernel
[10:33] <xhaker> move? really?
[10:34] <crimsun> what's the issue precisely?
[10:34] <xhaker> you've been fiddling with patch_realtek
[10:34] <crimsun> yes, and it doesn't look like the majority of the changes have been merged yet
[10:35] <xhaker> my realtek ALC883 only works when there is no asound.state saved
[10:35] <xhaker> that's the real issue
[10:35] <crimsun> that's a non-issue at this point: not all of the changes have been merged into Ben's tree
[10:36] <crimsun> I'm happy to forward you a copy of the current diff so you can compile your own
[10:37] <xhaker> please :)
[10:37] <crimsun> email?
[10:37] <xhaker><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:38] <crimsun> git-format-patch -o ~ master
[10:38] <crimsun> arr
[10:38] <xhaker> fun fun
[10:38] <crimsun> sorry, focus follows mouse is being wonky
[10:40] <crimsun> sent.
[10:40] <crimsun> Subject: Current HDA Realtek diff (against 2.6.20-10.17)
[10:41] <stgraber> crimsun: Have you done any progress about my sound card issue ? I didn't see anything about that in the -10 changelog
[10:41] <crimsun> stgraber: see above.
[10:41] <crimsun> your issue is fixed in the patch_realtek.c fixes that I sent on March 6th
[10:42] <crimsun> (and hasn't been merged yet)
[10:42] <stgraber> ok, fine, thank you for your job
[10:42] <crimsun> I had several outstanding conexant issues that should be fixed this evening
[10:43] <xhaker> crimsun, do you want me to drop you a word after?
[10:44] <crimsun> xhaker: sure
[10:44] <xhaker> will do
[10:44] <crimsun> I'm likely away from my irc client for a few hours, but a query would suffice


[21:24] <bkerensa> slangasek: Do you think any Portland Debian Developers might be interested in attending the Summer Coders Social - http://calagator.org/events/1250464776
[21:25] <slangasek> bkerensa: could be?  'sprobably worth you asking them on the list :)