[00:00] <gnomefreak> richthegeek: not all mirrors are updated together
[00:00] <richthegeek> jarlath: finally a change that makes sense!
[00:00] <wgrant> You need mountall 2.8.
[00:00] <crimsun> richthegeek: you're most probably being bitten by that bug.
[00:01] <jarlath> LOL richthegeek
[00:01] <wgrant> i386 has been available for a while now, but amd64 won't be for perhaps another hour.
[00:01] <crimsun> seriously, I put that sort of stuff in the topic for a reason.
[00:01] <richthegeek> crimsun: no explanation of what Plymouth is in the topic, and it's not my bug
[00:02] <jarlath> Well, freedom to experiment is part of any good creative process. If you take that away we'll have even more to complain about. But that's a good thing right? :)
[00:02] <gnomefreak> apt-cache show plymouth
[00:02] <gnomefreak> ^^ tells you about it
[00:03] <gnomefreak> wgrant: any confirmation that it works :)
[00:03]  * gnomefreak hasnt rebooted yet
[00:03] <crimsun> richthegeek: if it's in the topic of the channel, I would expect you to read it regardless whether you know what plymouth is.
[00:03] <richthegeek> crimsun: That's like reading some Swahili
[00:04] <richthegeek> crimsun: doesnt matter if I read it, comprehension requires knowledge of the words
[00:04] <gnomefreak> apt-cache should be a requirement for using devel
[00:04] <gnomefreak> but hey thats just me
[00:04] <wgrant> Particularly pre-beta.
[00:04] <BUGabundo> mountall:
[00:04] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.7
[00:04] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 2.7
[00:04] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: 2.8 for 386 in the gb mirrors
[00:05] <BUGabundo> main mirror and 64bits
[00:05] <gnomefreak> 64 not publisyhed yet
[00:05]  * BUGabundo refreshs
[00:05] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: ~ 1-2 hours
[00:05] <richthegeek> Plymouth is v 0.8.0~-13
[00:05] <BUGabundo> I'm not in an hurry
[00:05] <BUGabundo> I don't have have plymouth installed
[00:05] <richthegeek> mountall is 2.7
[00:06] <gnomefreak> mountall: Installed: 2.7 Candidate: 2.8
[00:06] <gnomefreak> for 386  64 and others are not published yet
[00:06] <wgrant> amd64 should be available on archive.ubuntu.com in around 40 minutes.
[00:06] <richthegeek> ok, will wait then to upgrade/reboot
[00:08] <richthegeek> can someone in GB with 64bit pastie there apt sources? mine is about 3 distros old by now
[00:08] <dutchie> richthegeek: you can fairly easily generate your own, it's not exactly an opaque format
[00:09] <richthegeek> dutchie: -_- effort
[00:09] <gnomefreak> 64bit doesnt have own source
[00:09] <gnomefreak> in the sense that you mean mirror
[00:09] <richthegeek> sure, then remove that from the list of requirements for the person who pasties it please!
[00:09] <gnomefreak> i have too many of them to edit it to paste it for you
[00:10] <richthegeek> the first N lines will be the default ones, surely?
[00:10] <richthegeek> just need a clean one is all
[00:10] <gnomefreak> richthegeek: yeah with/without cd mirror
[00:10] <richthegeek> without
[00:10] <wgrant> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid main restricted universe multiverse
[00:10] <gnomefreak> one minute
[00:10] <gnomefreak> or that
[00:10] <wgrant> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[00:11] <wgrant> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security main restricted universe multiverse
[00:11] <wgrant> Although you only need the first line until release.
[00:12] <gnomefreak> i have 142 lines :( not all enabled though
[00:13] <richthegeek> huh, it was basically clean already
[00:19] <KruyKaze> where can i read about 538292?
[00:19] <richthegeek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/538292
[00:21] <jpds> Packages are hitting the archive/mirrors.
[00:25] <KruyKaze> thanks it's not up yet for 64bit
[00:25] <gnomefreak> KruyKaze: it will take time not all mirrors will get it right away
[00:26] <jpds> KruyKaze: It's syncing right now.
[00:26] <gnomefreak> i suggest run update in about 30minutes
[00:26] <jpds> gnomefreak: Depends which mirror you're using.
[00:26] <richthegeek> got updates for dmsetup, gvfs, gparted, parted so far
[00:26] <KruyKaze> thanks
[00:27] <gnomefreak> i use gb as it is the most reliable for me and updated fastest i have found
[00:29]  * gnomefreak tests update
[00:29] <jpds> gnomefreak: Have you considered using http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ ?
[00:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: it seems to be shut down in the drop down (FUSA) but switch off in confirm dialog
[00:31] <jpds> gnomefreak: Have you considered using http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ ?
[00:31] <gnomefreak> ok testing now
[00:31] <jpds> → http://ftpmap.osuosl.org/
[00:31] <gnomefreak> jpds: no but i will save it and give it a test in a few days when i get back
[00:35] <richthegeek> updates are gb
[00:35] <jpds> Right, pushes en route to mirrors.
[00:35] <jpds> s/pushes/updates/
[00:35] <FFForever> how do I upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04?
[00:35] <richthegeek> got mountall ;)
[00:35] <richthegeek> :)*
[00:43] <BUGabundo> FFForever: you pray
[00:43] <BUGabundo> or make backups, read topic, and run $update-manager -d
[00:43] <FFForever> BUGabundo, I tried that but when I rebooted it went into windows =\
[00:43] <FFForever> (reply to the first comment xD)
[00:43] <BUGabundo> FFForever: press left shift and choose Ubuntu ?
[00:44] <FFForever> ubuntu is default... was a joke about praying for the upgrade...
[00:44] <histo> Does anyone else have to log in twice? My X restarts after I finish typing my password the first time and it restarts. Interesting thing is I can type anythign else and it wont.
[00:44] <ZykoticK9> histo, MANY people do yes
[00:45] <histo> ZykoticK9: K just making sure I wasn't the only one.
[00:51] <FFForever> BUGabundo, can I move my mysql databases to /home?
[00:51] <BUGabundo> anything is possible
[00:52] <ZykoticK9> histo, i believe the bug #532047
[00:57] <richthegeek> FFForever: yes, use a softlink
[00:57] <richthegeek> FFForever: ln -s SOURCE TARGET
[00:58] <FFForever> bug #666
[01:07] <henke> is it possible to get nouveau loaded earlier during boot so that plymouth shows the splash for a while? now the splash only shows for a second before X starts.
[01:08] <jamesey> i did the plymouth upgrade and now i can boot
[01:09] <jamesey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/538292
[01:09] <jpds> jamesey: Yes, it's been fixed.
[01:09] <jamesey> the fix is there, but i dont really know how to do it
[01:09] <jamesey> what does boot to single user mode mean?
[01:09] <ZykoticK9> jamesey, for a step by step see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/quick-fixes
[01:10] <jamesey> thanks. one question. i have 5 partitions because i duel boot mac os on my imac
[01:11] <jamesey> is the partition i want the grub partition or the partition with all of the ubuntu os info?
[01:11] <ZykoticK9> jamesey, that's why the first step is "sudo fdisk -l" you need to know the exact partition Lucid is installed on
[01:13] <jamesey> ZykoticK9, thanks. i have 4 partisions, sda1,2,3,&4. shoudl i choose the one labeled linux, sda4?
[01:13] <ZykoticK9> jamesey, I can't say for sure?  is that the only linux partition?
[01:14] <jamesey> i think it is. the others are gpt, hfs (my mac os partition) and efi (refit for booting linux on imacs)
[01:14] <ZykoticK9> jamesey, then that must be the one then
[01:18] <jamesey> thanks Zykotick9, it worked
[01:25] <ZykoticK9> jamesey, nice!
[02:28] <KruyKaze> how do i install the java plugin?
[02:37] <kermiac> KruyKaze: either install open-jdk or enable the partner repo to install sun java
[02:42] <yofel> where for openjdk the java plugin is called icedtea6-plugin
[03:09] <Spirits-Sight> any ideas of how to get win ce device to show as a storage device like USB device? NOT intersted in syncing any thing but being able to copy and move and delete files?
[03:19] <happyface> omg
[03:19] <happyface> why is Yahoo! the default search in lynx?
[03:20] <ZykoticK9> happyface, Yahoo paid Canonical for it, extensive coverage all over the net
[03:20] <happyface> ZykoticK9: thanks I figured, haven't read anything on that
[03:20] <ddecator> happyface, you can change it by setting the search engine in the firefox search bar then changing the homepage
[03:20] <happyface> ddecator: I know how to change it thanks
[03:21] <Spirits-Sight> any ideas of how to get win ce device to show as a storage device like USB device? NOT intersted in syncing any thing but being able to copy and move and delete files?
[03:21] <happyface> smart move on Yahoo's part
[03:21] <ddecator> happyface, fair enough, i've just heard a lot of people freaking out thinking they couldn't change it...
[03:21] <happyface> if you can't change your default search provider, you shouldn't be using alpha software -_-
[03:39] <DanaG> "    ALSA: usbaudio: introduce new types for audio class v2"
[03:39] <DanaG> in 2.6.34-rc1.
[03:41] <DanaG>     ALSA: hda - Detect HP mute-LED GPIO setup from GPIO counts
[03:41] <DanaG> interesting.
[03:41] <Semitones> hey there, I'm pretty sure I found a bug with keyring and wicd in lubuntu lucid. How would I report that?
[03:42] <Damascene> hello
[03:42] <Damascene> apport-collect -p linux 527369
[03:43] <Damascene> is there anything wrong in the syntax
[03:43] <happyface> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[03:43] <ZykoticK9> Semitones, does lubuntu use gnome keyring?  is the issue in keyring or wicd?
[03:44] <Damascene> Usage: apport-gtk <report number>
[03:44] <Damascene> apport-gtk: error: no such option: -p
[03:45] <Semitones> ZykoticK9, this is a fresh install of alpha 3 + updates -- it looks a lot like gnome's keyring. The problem is "triggered" by attempting to join a WPA network, but the problem is that keyring prompts me multiple times, and still can't fetch the WPA network key
[03:45] <Damascene> happyface, bug 527369 needs to run that command
[03:45] <ZykoticK9> Semitones, then try using "ubuntu-bug gnome-keyring" and follow the onscreen/browser prompts.  Good luck.
[03:46] <Semitones> ZykoticK9, thank you
[03:47] <Semitones> ah first I'm gonna grab the latest updates
[03:50] <Semitones> is aptitude safe-upgrade the preferred method?
[03:51] <ddecator> it's more of a personal choice...
[03:59] <tamran> hi guys, I think I've got a really broken install
[04:00] <ddecator> tamran, can you be more specific?
[04:00] <tamran> I have now 3 major issues, 1) gnome no longer registers in my gdm login. 2) USB disks are no longer auto mounted. 3) mediatomb won't install (this is a new bug and I'm sure it's being addressed)
[04:00] <ZykoticK9> tamran, i don't think your going to be able to use an 8.04 kernel with Lucid if that's what your asking
[04:01] <tamran> ZykoticK9: hehe, you saw my comment in the other channel didn't you! :)
[04:01] <ZykoticK9> tamran, yup
[04:01] <tamran> ZykoticK9: I'm assuming it's the KMS thing regarding that
[04:01] <tamran> ZykoticK9: I suspected as much ...
[04:01] <ZykoticK9> tamran, i just don't think a kernel that old is gonna jive with lucid that's all
[04:01] <ddecator> probably not...
[04:01] <tamran> ZykoticK9: what about a 9.10 install with 2.6.26 kernel?
[04:02] <ZykoticK9> tamran, no idea man
[04:02] <tamran> ZykoticK9: ok, no problem
[04:02] <tamran> ZykoticK9: so, what about an 8.04 install and sprinkle in the newer apps that I want/need as I go?
[04:03] <ZykoticK9> tamran, i view 8.04 as being kinda archaic at this point... mind you i'm running Lucid alpha (so what do you expect).  Are you sure your ATI isn't supported by something newer, what model is it?
[04:04] <tamran> radeon xpress 200m :(
[04:04] <tamran> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE)
[04:05] <tamran> it works pretty good desktop wise in lucid, except now I've got some serious problems on this install (such as gnome not showing up anymore, so I'm stuck in xfce)
[04:06] <tamran> and I'm noticing a lot of badly behaving disk io leaving my old lappy here quite unresponsive for minutes at a time
[04:06] <ZykoticK9> tamran, sorry man, my quick googling just finds lots of people with issues and your card...  I don't use ATI at all, so don't have any personal experience, sorry.  Best of luck.
[04:07] <tamran> ZykoticK9: ati sucks, I know.  My latest laptop has nvidia now so it works GREAT
[04:07] <ZykoticK9> tamran, i certainly didn't want to say anything - but ya
[04:07] <tamran> hehe
[04:08] <DanaG> ZykoticK9: you should try xorg-edgers on an R600 card... it works awesomely well.
[04:08] <tamran> no problem
[04:08] <DanaG> Especially with 2.6.33 kernel from the mainline thingy.
[04:08] <ZykoticK9> tamran, see DanaG above
[04:08] <tamran> DanaG: is that for an ATI card?
[04:08] <DanaG> yeah.
[04:08] <DanaG> Even has GLSL support.
[04:08] <tamran> DanaG: I'm the one with an unsupported ATI card
[04:08] <vivid> is there a build of the 190 series current stable nvidia driver for lucid?
[04:08] <tamran> so, what exactly is xorg-edgers?
[04:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, XPress 200 is a sucky card -- doesn't even have hardware TCL (transform, clipping, and lighting).
[04:09] <ZykoticK9> vivid, current is 195
[04:09] <DanaG> er, what version of mesa is in original Lucid?
[04:10] <vivid> ZykoticK9, http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html  theres a notice on how to not use 195
[04:10] <crimsun>       mesa | 7.7-4ubuntu1 |         lucid | source
[04:10] <ZykoticK9> vivid, true - but that is the version in "nvidia-current"
[04:10] <DanaG> ah.  xorg-edgers has 7.9.0.
[04:10] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[04:10] <vivid> so, is there a build of the 190 noncurrent but stable dirver?
[04:11] <ZykoticK9> vivid, i don't even think that the fan bug is confirmed in linux for 195, it's more just a precaution
[04:11] <DanaG> Just be aware that the phrase "if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces" applies.  =þ
[04:11] <DanaG> My response to that fan control bug:
[04:11] <ZykoticK9> vivid, BUT to be save avoid 195
[04:11] <tamran> DanaG: it seems pretty beta ... is it stable?
[04:11] <BUGabundo> gn8 guys
[04:11] <ddecator> i haven't had any trouble with 195...
[04:11] <vivid> i dont even see where nvidia says 195 is the stable release
[04:11] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, nor i
[04:11] <DanaG> It has been pretty stable for me.  I am also using kernels from here: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[04:12] <ZykoticK9> vivid, "apt-cache policy nvidia-current"
[04:12] <ddecator> so far it's a huge improvement over 185
[04:12] <DanaG> And you may even not really need the new kernel.
[04:12] <tamran> DanaG: will it improve the GL effects with my card?
[04:13] <DanaG> Hopefully, it should to some degree. I'm not sure what the state of R300 era hardware is, though.
[04:13] <DanaG> 300m, specifically, is a card that's really weak.
[04:13] <vivid> ZykoticK9, that tells me nothing i didnt already know
[04:13] <tamran> I've got a 200m
[04:13] <tamran> which I'm assuming is a total POS
[04:14] <ZykoticK9> vivid, "i dont even see where nvidia says 195 is the stable release" - apt-cache policy tells you?!
[04:14] <DanaG> http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
[04:14] <DanaG> er, my response to the fan control bug:
[04:14] <DanaG> why is your fan speed control in the DRIVER?
[04:14] <vivid> that tells me that ubuntu says its the current release, that doesnt mean its released as stable by nvidia
[04:14] <DanaG> It should darn well be in the FIRMWARE!
[04:14] <ZykoticK9> vivid, ok true
[04:14] <vivid> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_190.53.html
[04:14] <vivid> is the current stable release
[04:15] <tamran> well, I'd just stay with this current install of Lucid alpha even if I could fix the broken gnome and broken USB automount
[04:15] <DanaG> Or at the very least, have ONE hardware "way too hot" cutoff point.
[04:15] <vivid> but, theres no package for it that i can find, my question is, is there a build of this, or do i need to do it myself
[04:15] <DanaG> oh yeah, off I go to boot 2.6.34-rc1... yay
[04:15] <tamran> and there is one other nagging issue since 9.10, which is that there seems to be overbearing disk caching
[04:16] <tamran> so I'm debating a system wipe/reinstall ... but I'm on the fence which way to go
[04:17] <bjsnider> prior to the fan bug the 195 was the stable release
[04:18] <vivid> i never saw it go stable
[04:18] <vivid> its been beta for months
[04:18] <vivid> and still listed as such in their channel
[04:18] <bjsnider> channel?
[04:19] <vivid> #nvidia
[04:19] <vivid> lts release with beta software...go figure
[04:19] <bjsnider> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1836667&postcount=1
[04:19] <bjsnider> there's proof
[04:19] <bjsnider> end of story
[04:20] <vivid> ok, so the answer to my question is no, there is no 190 package
[04:20] <vivid> even though we can supposedly have multiple versions installed now
[04:20] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, what's your take on the 195-fan bug - is this cause to not use the driver?
[04:21] <tamran> I read that nvidia binary drivers are problematic with Lucid and KMS?
[04:21] <tamran> what is the advantage of KMS right now other than perhaps a flickr free boot?
[04:21] <DanaG> I'd call nvidia stupid for leaving fan control to the driver, instead of the firmware.
[04:21] <DanaG> flickr? =þ
[04:21] <tamran> DanaG: how's the new kernel?
[04:22] <DanaG> hmm, seems about the same as the 33 kernels.
[04:22] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, this is a bug in how the shared code for all platforms deals with the firmware. all cards that have fans are at risk
[04:22] <DanaG> about the only oddity I have: if I run the mesa demo "glxgears_pixmap", I get an unkillable xorg hang.  But only with that one demo.
[04:22] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, ok thanks man
[04:23] <bjsnider> until then use the driver at your own risk, or switch to nouveau or vesa
[04:23] <bjsnider> 90% of the code in the nvidia blob is shared. only 10% is specific to linux
[04:23] <DanaG> hmm, how is nouveau with fan control?  does it just leave the firmware to its own algorithm?
[04:23] <DanaG> And was the nvidia driver overriding their own firmware fan control?
[04:24] <bjsnider> nouveau i believe just turns the fan on maximum and leaves it there
[04:24] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, ya saw all the PlanetUbuntu posts about it - i'm not really overly concerned, but i thought when the opportunity was right there - I'd ask an expert :)
[04:24] <bjsnider> DanaG, i suppose so
[04:24] <DanaG> I'm just thinking in terms of "failure mode" -- it's really bad design if the card lets you run it so hot it dies, without the card firmware / hardware kicking the fan into full speed.
[04:25] <tamran> here's a silly question: does ubuntu have some kind of indexing turned on?
[04:25] <bjsnider> i agree that the firmware should be in 100% control of the heat/fan issue
[04:25] <bjsnider> but there you have it
[04:25] <DanaG> At the very least, ONE über-failsafe 100%-speed mode should be mandatory.
[04:25] <DanaG> oh, and nvidia 96 drivers: 3 years ago, they stopped being able to do anything but segfault the X server.
[04:26] <DanaG> And every year, nvidia updates them to segfault newer X servers.
[04:26] <DanaG> =þ
[04:26] <stooj_> Uhm - is there a xorg.conf file in Lucid? I don't seem to have one.
[04:26] <ZykoticK9> stooj_, not by default - http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/create-an-xorg-conf-file
[04:27] <StooJ> ZykoticK9: Phew. So, how do I turn DRI off? Generate one?
[04:28] <ZykoticK9> StooJ, no idea man?
[04:29] <StooJ> OK, no worries. Cheers anyway ZykoticK9
[04:29] <bjsnider> StooJ, you may not need one, if for instance you are on an intel graphics platform
[04:31] <bjsnider> DanaG, my nvidia card's fan sounds like it runs at 100% all the time. coolbits doesn't work on it. there are no power management options. so at least some of this can be overriden by the hardware
[04:32] <bjsnider> tamran, the nvidia blob doesn't have a kms driver. they are mutually exclusive. the nouveau driver does have a kms driver
[04:32]  * DanaG is a fan of ATI / AMD.  And random thing: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/insideati/index.htm -- looks like they have an awesome sense of aesthetics.
[04:33] <StooJ> bjsnider: I just get a blank screen & unresponsive keyboard after log-in on my macbook (intel gpu), so I was trying to work around it before filing a bug report
[04:34] <bjsnider> DanaG, if you talk to luc verhaegen, it seems that amd and ati are not as simpatico as you think. quite the bloody opposite.
[04:34] <DanaG> simpatico?
[04:34] <DanaG> that word's not in my vocabulary. =þ
[04:34] <bjsnider> in other words, they're not on the same page. they don't play well together
[04:34] <bjsnider> they're enemies
[04:34] <DanaG> Weird.
[04:35] <bjsnider> his story is that amd's efforts at open sourcing ati's garbage was met with fierce bureaucratic resistance
[04:35] <bjsnider> at this point amd is in such bad shape that they can't force ati to open source anything
[04:36] <bjsnider> no new documentation has been dropped since early in 2008
[04:36] <DanaG> no new AMD, or no new ATI?
[04:36] <bjsnider> ati
[04:37] <bjsnider> because amd no longer has the resources to force ati to drop documents
[04:37] <bjsnider> i wish intel would buy them both and fire ati's driver team
[04:37] <bjsnider> and management team
[04:37] <bjsnider> even the janitors
[04:38] <DanaG> Yeah... and then we'd be stuck with what we had in the P4 era: only one player monopolizing stuff.
[04:39] <bjsnider> i find no redeeming feature in ati. at least nvidia provides fairly reliable drivers, if nothing else.
[04:39] <DanaG> yeah... until you try running some SDL opengl app and get NVRM: XID <spew> -- and can't figure out whether it's your code, or NV code, that's at fault.
[04:40] <DanaG> That happened to a classmate trying to work on the lab computers at school.
[04:40] <bjsnider> not a monopoly. intel would have cornered the market for a time. but that too would pass. nothing lasts forever
[04:41] <bjsnider> intel would have the resources to get something done at ati
[04:41] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA1Mw
[04:42] <DanaG> I'd hope the SEC (is that the department that handles that stuff?) would block such a monopolistic move.
[04:42] <DanaG> anyway, this is wayy off-topic.
[04:43] <coz_> guys...can someone explain the decision to go pulseaudio instead of straight alsa... so far it seems really bad in terms of cards recognized..quality of sound etc
[04:43] <bjsnider> it's not a monopoly. only the state can create a monopoly by outlawing entry into a market. intel would have simply cornered the market because of their efficiency
[04:43] <bjsnider> coz_, good thing you're not asking about a subject that's been flogged to death already
[04:44] <ZykoticK9> coz_, Pulse replaced ESD not alsa - Pulse uses alsa for all the hardware support
[04:44] <coz_> bjsnider,  ah well I didnt see the flogging :)
[04:44] <bjsnider> where have you been?
[04:44] <coz_> ZykoticK9,  understood...however  it seems way worse
[04:44] <bjsnider> just google it and you'll see it
[04:44] <ZykoticK9> coz_, i hear you
[04:45] <bjsnider> most people have never had any problems with pulse
[04:45] <coz_> bjsnider,  until recently I would get rid of pulseaudio and compile alsa for my pro sound card
[04:45] <bjsnider> pro? is it an m-audio?
[04:45] <coz_> bjsnider,  until I get that fixed  I am "stuck"  with pulseaudio
[04:45] <coz_> bjsnider,  echoaudio layla
[04:45] <bjsnider> get in touch with crimsun about this
[04:46] <coz_> bjsnider,  and no pulseaudio does not support that card
[04:46] <bjsnider> it does if alsa does
[04:46] <coz_> no it doesnt
[04:46] <coz_> and I am glad of that by the way :)
[04:46] <bjsnider> are you in the sound business?
[04:46] <DanaG> My only real issue with pulseaudio is this one:
[04:46] <coz_> bjsnider,  I do much recording yes
[04:47] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[04:47] <bjsnider> you might want to use jack instead of pulse
[04:48] <coz_> bjsnider,  hopefully i will get my layla back in the system soon and wont have to bother :)
[04:48] <coz_> but intil then ..... :)
[04:48] <bjsnider> coz_, talk to crimsun about what your options are
[04:48] <coz_> bjsnider,  I will thanks
[04:49] <DanaG> weird... 34 kernel on my netbook panics.
[04:49] <DanaG> and unfortunately, I can't get a backtrace easily.
[04:49] <coz_> ossv4 is not the way to go either since its support of cards seems to be diminishing rather rapidly
[04:50] <DanaG> No serial port.
[04:50] <DanaG> heh, I tried oss4 twice... hard-locked my system when I inserted my cardbus audigy2.
[04:51] <coz_> DanaG,  not surprising :)
[04:53] <coz_> ok guys thanks  :)
[04:55] <Semitones> mmm moe. much better
[04:55] <Semitones> whoops
[05:07] <aquachica> Does anyone know if Ubuntu 10.04 Netbook Edition will have the ability to switch back to the desktop?
[05:07] <kermiac> anyone running 64bit can confirm fix for bug 538292 is out?
[05:10] <ddecator> kermiac, yes, mountall was updated
[05:10] <ddecator> however, i still had it log me out when i hit <enter>...anybody here that can confirm that bug is still happening?
[05:10] <Pici> ddecator: Theres was a note in the changelog regarding that it may still happen with people who get the text plymouth.
[05:11] <kermiac> ddecator: thanks mate - forgot u r running 64 bit :)
[05:11] <ddecator> Pici, ah, thanks for pointing that out, i'll take a look at it
[05:11] <ddecator> kermiac, no problem =)
[05:14] <DanaG> grr, 34-rc1 kernel panics on my netbook.
[05:14] <DanaG> and objdump doesn't like bzimage format.
[05:14] <DanaG> so I can't find where _log_buf is.
[05:15] <DanaG> oh, System.map.
[05:15] <DanaG> right.
[05:20] <ddecator> there we go, found the report...
[05:37] <holstein> hello all... if i wanted to test with a mainline kernel..
[05:38] <holstein> and i have...
[05:38] <holstein> 2.6.32-16-generic currently
[05:38] <holstein> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=D;O=A
[05:39] <holstein> do i just get the highest number?
[05:39] <holstein> or the one that matches my current one?
[05:53] <StooJ> Mapping is here, holstein : http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html
[05:54] <holstein> AH
[05:55] <arand> holstein: but my guess is if you are going to forward something upstream, the very latest would be preferred
[05:55] <holstein> im just wanting to test a bug running it
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> Has anyone succsuffly made a bootable usb flash drive for 10.04 using the older 9.04 ubuntu? it just kept failing on me here. But Unetbootin seemed to worked..
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> well unetbootin might of worked..it may of just Hung.. :) (i cursed it)
[06:17] <kermiac> Dr_Willis: yes, I used 9.04 to successfully create a bootable usb drive using usb startup disk creator
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Bummer daily build ISO and live/flash made both just go to a black screen.
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> dont really want to install A3 then install 4000+mb of updates. :) when i planned on doing a clean install to test RC1
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> next scheduled release is the 19th isent it?  Not  got a web browser handy to check
[06:19] <kermiac> !schedule
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> next scheduled release is the 19th isent it?  Not  got a web browser handy to check <<--
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:20] <kermiac> according to the website it's 18th
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> wait the cd is still spinning...
[06:20] <kermiac> yeah, i saw that - just did that so i could grab the url :)
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> Perhaps the live cd takes a LONG time to load.
[06:20] <arand> i.e. count ont he 18th
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> Ive had such issues with cd drives lately.
[06:21] <arand> s/18/19/ ...to avoid dissapointment
[06:21] <kermiac> Dr_Willis: are u using an ati graphics card?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> I got a display.. thats.. weird.. took like 4 min for the cd to get to the desktop. Perhaps i should of had more patience with the flash drive. :)
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> kermiac:  good old nividia thats worked great for years in Ubuntu
[06:21] <kermiac> oh, well not the same issue i had the other day then :)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> well it finally started at least :)
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> during the install.. has anyone ever noticed the 'migrating windows users' to actually do anything OTHER then just copy the wallpaper over? :)
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> these wineows users that have tried ubuntu - always seem to expect it to do a LOT more.
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> lets see what it does. :)  gotta love testing machines
[06:27]  * Dr_Willis recalls installs from the past.. One Disrto had a tetris game you could play.. others had Solitare.. :) In gentoo i would emerge irssi befor installing and irc chat while it installed...
[06:27] <christag> hello party people. does anyone have any experience setting up lucid on a macbook pro (5,1 prefferably)?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> Not Me.
[06:28]  * Dr_Willis has had rather bad mac experiences.. and wont go near apple any moar.
[06:28] <christag> :( sorry to hear that willis
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> Im Not. :) the more i learn about apple.. the more i learned its best to stay away heh.
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> Linux on my iMACDV PPC - is a big disaster.
[06:29] <christag> heh in some aspects, but its the easiest triple boot solution for me at the moment
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> BUt that iMAC is a Doorstop now mainly
[06:29] <christag> ah good ol ppc
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> OS-X on it does turn it into an ok 'bash' terminal i can ssh from to the linux box.
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> even trying to get that 'working' on OS-9 shows the huge limitions and problems  os-9 had.
[06:31] <christag> a good use. id turn it into a tv :p
[06:31] <christag> i only switched to a mac after osx
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> Its basically the emergancy 'ssh' and browser box.
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> OS-9 had so many neat features.. that just got tossed out.. but thats the nature of Big companies and their OS's it seems
[06:33] <KnifeySpooney> Is there any way to set plymouth to use the graphical boot instead of text boot?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> Hmm the 10.04 installer has a 'skip' button during the 'configuring XXXXXX' stage makes me wonder what it would skip..
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> then teh button just vanished.. heh...
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> Thats... odd.
[06:33] <christag> it skips configuring hardcore porn apparently
[06:33] <christag> REALLY hardcore
[06:33] <christag> :)
[06:34] <KnifeySpooney> Dr_Willis: it skips trying to download the repos for apt.. i think
[06:34] <KnifeySpooney> at least at one point
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Configuring APt.. then some other..  went buy too fast.
[06:34] <KnifeySpooney> yeah.. i'm afraid to click skip in case it changes to the next thing which I did NOT mean to skip
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> KnifeySpooney:  ok so it skips the 'sudo apt-get update' basically ?
[06:34] <KnifeySpooney> Dr_Willis: Not sure, but it was also up there when it said "reading cd for apt repos" or something"
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> The installer does seem to be a bit faster in this release .
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> even if it did take ages to load up initially
[06:35] <KnifeySpooney> i'm always surprised by the speed
[06:35] <christag> are you installing from the live cd
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> yep - testing a live cd.
[06:35] <KnifeySpooney> booting from a usb makes it really fast
[06:35] <KnifeySpooney> haven't used a cd in ages, maybe it's the ame
[06:35] <KnifeySpooney> [same]
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> i tried usb.. it seemed like it failed.. BUT i think it was just REAL slow to get to the initial desktop
[06:36] <christag> i tried upgrading from 9.10 today, it didnt want to happen
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> the cd also took ages.. but i waited long enough. because i saw/heard te cd still loading... then it worked
[06:36] <KnifeySpooney> Oh, odd
[06:36] <KnifeySpooney> I'm not sure if I will update to lucid, at least not yet
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Yea. No xplash or any other indication.. grub -> some text -> black - Monitor light showing no display... waited about 3 min.. then it worked
[06:36] <KnifeySpooney> I'm comfortable with my Karmic
[06:37] <christag> same here. the cd took about 5-10 minutes to load up, even turned off my monitor and all LEDs
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> My Karmic box was getting too abused. It had too many issues. :)
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> Instyall done. :)
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> lets see if it explodes now
[06:37] <KnifeySpooney> haha. I had that issue with Jaunty. Updating to karmic was a breath of fresh air
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> I should of timed it. :)
[06:37] <KnifeySpooney> I timed my karmic install last six months around, took about 7 mins
[06:40] <KnifeySpooney> Anybody know how to set Lucid to use a graphical boot?
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. looks like grub might of failed to install.
[06:41] <KnifeySpooney> Not good. :x
[06:42] <christag> ick
[06:42] <christag> thats what happened to me when i tried to upgrade from karmic
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> or else my pc is confused about what HD to boot...
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> yep. for some reason it was booting the other hd..
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> nouveau - dont seem to work on my nvidia card. :( heh got message about that right at the start
[06:43] <ddecator> about nouveau specifically?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> Yep
[06:44] <ddecator> huh
[06:44] <ddecator> well it's still relatively early in development =)
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> nouveau ####.#####.#### [06:44] <Dr_Willis> system dont boot.
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait.. there it goes...
[06:44] <ddecator> you get that error and that's it?
[06:44] <ddecator> haha
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> got error,, and it waited and waited.. and still waiting
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> Now the lcd's are flickering like the installer
[06:45] <ddecator> continuously?
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> So basically i got no output at all during the 'bootup'
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> the power light onlcd was flickering - as in getting no signal like the installer boot up did
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> so it seems tobe  Mouveau related
[06:45] <sqwertle> Hi everyone
[06:46] <ddecator> huh...i've had it before where, after just installing it, the screen continuously refreshes during boot until i restart the system
[06:46] <ddecator> hey sqwertle
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> well its installed.. now to 'fix' things.
[06:46] <sqwertle> does 10.04 have any known wireless compatability issues?
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> :) - No message about hardware drivers at first bootup... thats odd.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> oh there it went. :)
[06:46] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, give it a second to look for them ;)
[06:47] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, haha, mr. impatient
[06:47] <ddecator> sqwertle, probably about the same as all releases. do you have a regression?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> after i allready loaded the hardware-drivers item
[06:47] <tamran> if I wanted to install the alpha3 kubuntu, how would I go about that? I've got a fresh kubuntu 9.10 install
[06:47] <ddecator> tamran fresh install or upgrade>
[06:47] <tamran> errr, I'm talking about Lucid of course
[06:47] <sqwertle> Nope, installed this fresh rather than update; new laptop.
[06:47] <tamran> I've got a fresh 9.10 install and want to upgrade
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> !upgrade
[06:48] <tamran> thanks Dr_Willis
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> I forget the proper command to dist upgrade
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> I rarely EVER do a upgrade that way. I do clena installs
[06:48] <ddecator> tamran, if you want to switch to kubuntu, then you may need to install kubuntu on 9.10 then upgrade
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> If you just intalled 9.10 You may want to just do a clean install of the 10.04 also
[06:48] <sqwertle> ddecator: Nope, installed fresh rather than update; new laptop
[06:49] <tamran> oh
[06:49]  * ddecator dist-upgrades semi-daily
[06:49] <ddecator> sqwertle, did your wireless work in previous releases?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> the daily build isos are proberly7 a better bet then the a3 iso also
[06:49] <tamran> I didn't want to download the cd is all ... I could have done that but I had this 9.10 cd here
[06:49] <ddecator> tamran, you can install kubuntu without a cd
[06:49] <sqwertle> ddecator: no previous releases worked at all. I'm using lucid atm because the .32 kernel supports my video card, the others dont
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> tamran:  upgrading will make you download  several 100+mb anyway
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> tamran:  and with 10.04 i seem to get about 200mb at least - every few days of updates
[06:50] <ddecator> sqwertle, interesting...do you know your wireless card model?
[06:50] <tamran> well, since I'm here, can I do it?
[06:50] <sqwertle> ddecator: yes, one moment please
[06:50] <tamran> I'd very much like to test it to help support
[06:50] <ddecator> test what now?
[06:51] <tamran> kubuntu Lucid
[06:51] <tamran> I've got kubuntu 9.10 ... in Ubuntu you just do alt-f2 and type update-manager -d
[06:51] <tamran> but kubuntu doesn't have that
[06:51] <ddecator> tamran, i think the package is kubuntu-desktop (i can check if you want). it installs everything needed for kubuntu and you just select gnome or kde before logging in
[06:52] <tamran> I've already got Kubuntu desktop
[06:52] <tamran> but it's version 9.10
[06:52] <ddecator> ...doing update-manager -d didn't upgrade both?
[06:52] <tamran> let me try it again
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> heh - having issues with nvidia cards :) Joy.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> but there was some neat helper  dialogs that poped up and tried to 'fix' it.
[06:53] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, this has actually been the first time i haven't from an upgrade, haha
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> so thats a step in the right direction for the os.
[06:53] <tamran> The program 'update-manager' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[06:53] <tamran> sudo apt-get install update-manager
[06:53] <tamran> update-manager: command not found
[06:53] <sqwertle> ddecator: Realtek rtl8191SE
[06:53] <ddecator> did you uninstall it at some point?
[06:53] <ddecator> sqwertle, alright, let me see if i can find a list of compatible hardware
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> Did a daily build iso install just now.. and still had 80+mb of updates. :)
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> gotta love being able to update from the console.
[06:55] <tamran> I'm not sure if I'm saying it right, but let me try once more: I have Kubuntu (not Ubuntu) 9.10 freshly installed, I want to upgrade the machine to Kubuntu (not Ubuntu) 10.04 Alpha3
[06:55] <ddecator> sqwertle, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[06:55] <ddecator> tamran, right. are you on gnome now?
[06:56] <tamran> no, in KDE
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> I dont know kubuntu enough to know what kubuntu commands differ
[06:56] <tamran> ok, np
[06:56] <ddecator> tamran, oh, kde doesn't use update manager...
[06:56] <ddecator> kde uses...package manager?
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> #kubuntu people may know
[06:56] <sqwertle> ddecator: if my cards not on that list, is there anything that can be done?
[06:56] <ddecator> sqwertle, not sure, let me check
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> sqwertle:  you may get lucky and the card is supportd.. but list is old.
[06:57] <sqwertle> Well the card isn't just simply not working
[06:57] <ddecator> oh, this might have something...
[06:57] <sqwertle> It is reading one network in my area, a local isd network, but will not read my lan network that is setup
[06:57] <ddecator> not sure if it will work, outdated, but here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[06:58] <ddecator> number is different, so idk for sure if the instructions on there would work...
[06:59] <ddecator> otherwise i think it's a -cross your fingers and hope it gets supported- type of thing
[07:02] <ddecator> oh, right, tamran , any luck yet? if not, i'll take a look at how to upgrade kde
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> I always have kubuntu and ubuntu desktops both on my machines.  so i just use the gnome tools for tat stuff
[07:04] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, so update manager on gnome DOES upgrade kubuntu too?
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> ddecator:  it upgrades all the packages.. if you have kubuntu/kde installed.. it would upgrade those packages also of course.
[07:05] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, good, that's what i was hoping =)
[07:05] <ddecator> tamran, do you have gnome installed, or just kde?
[07:05] <tamran> ddecator: I can't seem to find much on google
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> it cant tell whats a kubuntu pakage or gnome, or xcfce.. or otjehrs
[07:06] <tamran> ddecator: it's straight kubuntu 9.10, fresh
[07:06] <Dr_Willis>  the #kubuntu people dont know how to do a dist upgrade? and the !upgrade wiki page dont say eh?
[07:06] <ddecator> dang...the official wiki page doesn't mention an upgrade process: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LucidLynx/Alpha3/Kubuntu
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> perhaps just a google for ' 9.10 upgrade 10.04   '  may show the proper commands/way
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> ive gotten where i dont care much for KDE any more. SO havent kept up with Kubuntu
[07:08] <tamran> I'm starting to really like it
[07:09] <tamran> but am a long time xfce4 user
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> i cant stand the pcmanfm or thunar file managers. :)
[07:09] <tamran> oh, I like Dolphin
[07:10] <ddecator> i can't, for the life of me, figure out what kde uses in place of update-manager...
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> speaking of file managers.. ive notced the 'pinboard' feature of rox-filer has been broken now in  the last 2 releases.. and is still broke in 10.04 :(
[07:10] <tamran> hehe, I've got some applet running now telling me there's 183 bug fixes, but I can't see for the life of me what app that is
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> !find update-manager
[07:10] <sqwertle> ddecator: Apparently there is a kernel 2.6.x driver release by Realtek, I'm going to give that a try, the other won't work for my chipset
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> wee - did updates.. now i see the ubuntu splash thing.. for like 1 sec... then its to the login.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> that is.. quick
[07:11] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, when you don't have nvidia trouble, yes, haha
[07:11] <ddecator> or i guess nvidia isn't my issue anymore
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> yep - i saw there was some kernel updates..
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> Now to tweak the system how i like it.
[07:12] <ddecator> oh, there is a kde variant...
[07:13] <ddecator> tamran, have you tried that? haha
[07:13]  * ddecator still gets amazed by ubot
[07:13] <sqwertle> ddecator: The Realtek driver has fixed my problem it seems :)
[07:13] <ddecator> sqwertle, good to hear =)
[07:13] <tamran> ddecator: update-manager-kde is not installed? dang
[07:14] <ddecator> tamran, idk, you tell me, haha
[07:14] <christag> ugh what a fun restart
[07:14] <ddecator> how so?
[07:14] <tamran> heh, maybe they don't want you to upgrade this way in kubuntu?
[07:14] <christag> i cant load the latest linux kernel without getting errors
[07:15] <christag> i should've written them down, but im too tired
[07:15] <christag> something about a PRAMIN dump
[07:15] <christag> probably going to be one of those "ill get to that later" problems
[07:16] <sqwertle> ddecator: Actually it's not working it seems. It shows the network as there, and knows the correct encryption types for it and all of the networks that should (and are) there. It won't get passed the "obtaining IP" phase however.
[07:17] <ddecator> sqwertle, hm...did you restart your system after adding the driver?
[07:17] <sqwertle> ddecator: yupyup
[07:17] <ddecator> tamran, do you have update-manager-kde installed?
[07:17] <ddecator> sqwertle, strange...sorry that's not working properly =\
[07:17] <tamran> nope
[07:18] <tamran> I shall check for it
[07:18] <ddecator> the package description looks like it will do what you want
[07:19] <tamran> err, wait, I do
[07:19] <ZykoticK9> tamran, you might want to have a quick look at this forum thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8910694 it's related to trying to upgrade for Kubuntu, i guess the kubuntu site just recommends using the cd?
[07:20] <ddecator> tamran, then try 'update-manager-kde -d'
[07:20] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, yah the wiki i found just showed the cd...
[07:21] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, that forum does show an Unsupported upgrade option
[07:22] <tamran> is that the one that is all crossed out?
[07:23] <tamran> btw, I agree with the last poster ... this really _should_ be an option and _should_ be tested
[07:23] <tamran> perhaps that's just my opinion though :)
[07:23] <ZykoticK9> tamran, that's the one -- i have NO idea if it will work (it certainly doesn't seem to be recommended, hope you have backups, and this isn't your main box)
[07:24] <ddecator> worst case scenario...if you can access the software sources, you can change "karmic" to "lucid" in all of the sources, disable ppa, then upgrade and reenable the ppas (changing to lucid of course) if you choose to afterwards...
[07:24] <tamran> ZykoticK9: it's a fresh install ... I'm trying to be a good little alpha tester here
[07:24] <ddecator> i had to do that with gnome
[07:24] <tamran> ZykoticK9: I just formatted the hard drive minutes ago
[07:25] <ZykoticK9> tamran, i'm not going to ask why you didn't install with a Lucid daily iso then...
[07:25] <tamran> ZykoticK9: because I wanted to test the validity of an upgrade :)
[07:26] <tamran> you know ... to be a royal nuicence :P
[07:26] <Dr_Willis_> Problem with such testing is that by the time you update/upgrade there may be a new release allready out :) to retest
[07:26] <ddecator> well it's something that a lot of kubuntu users probably want to be able to do safely. i would think at least
[07:27] <tamran> well, once I'm there, it should upgrade for me
[07:27] <tamran> I'm assuming anyways ... but I could be wrong
[07:27] <tamran> so, where does one get those daily build cd's if this doesn't work?
[07:28] <Dr_Willis_> I wonder how many people on a new install.. the first thing they do will be reset the button order....
[07:28] <Dr_Willis_> !daily
[07:28] <ddecator> i really need to learn ubot commands...
[07:28] <Dr_Willis_> even with a daily build. i had 80mb of updates
[07:28] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, count me as one :)
[07:28] <tamran> what's the difference between daily and daily-live?
[07:28] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, i'm sure a ton of people will
[07:29] <tamran> power button order?
[07:29] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, step one - switch theme  step two - fix buttons
[07:29] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, exactly
[07:29] <ddecator> tamran, window buttons
[07:30] <ZykoticK9> sorry, s/fix buttons/customize buttons
[07:30] <Dr_Willis_> Yea. in the 20 sec i used the defaults.. *untill i could get ubuntu tweak installed* i clicked in teh wrong place for close like 10 times
[07:30] <tamran> oh, I tried that in regular ubuntu 10.04 and it was the FIRST thing I did
[07:31] <ddecator> ubuntu tweak offers to switch it back? i went into gconf...
[07:31] <Dr_Willis_> I think that is SOO going to be a slap in the face  in every review.
[07:31] <tamran> then also proceeded to remove the minimize and maximize buttons
[07:31] <Dr_Willis_> ddecator:  yes it does. It has a tool to reorder them via drag/drop if you want
[07:31] <Dr_Willis_> ddecator:  and a 'reset' button that puts them back in the old order.
[07:31] <Dr_Willis_> I always put a space between the close buttons also - so its easier to not hit by mistake
[07:31] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, yah...i think it would be good to offer the choice and be able to switch easily, but the default should be the same as it was...
[07:31] <tamran> Dr_Willis_: I agree, I've read two reviews already calling the dev's a bunch of OSX copycats
[07:32] <Dr_Willis_> I dont even recall that order in OS-X
[07:32] <ddecator> well...have you seen side-by-side comparisons?
[07:32] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, it is a different order from OSX
[07:32] <Dr_Willis_> last OS-X i used was  the PPC version  and i rarely usedit.
[07:32] <hifi> so what, if Apple did "get it right", why not copy it?
[07:32] <Dr_Willis_> Theres plenty of OTHER things to steal from OS-X i imagine
[07:32] <tamran> http://www.junauza.com/2010/03/ubuntus-new-look-pale-imitation-of-mac.html
[07:33] <tamran> what Dr_Willis_ said
[07:33] <Dr_Willis_> I seem to recall other disrtos having a startup wixard that actually asked you how you wanted things setup
[07:33] <tamran> if you're going to copy, copy the things people want
[07:33] <Dr_Willis_> or was that the KDE first time wizard?
[07:33] <Dr_Willis_> the old kde :)
[07:33] <ddecator> i've heard a lot of skepticism about a setup wizard though...
[07:34] <ddecator> too many options may freak out new users
[07:34] <Dr_Willis_> like moving the buttons wont freak them out. :)
[07:34] <tamran> ddecator: very good point ... ala, "The Paradox of Choice"
[07:34] <Dr_Willis_> or a diffrent theme every release wont...
[07:34] <ddecator> no, but then you get the browser ballot and everything
[07:34] <Dr_Willis_> when in doubt 'educate'
[07:34] <ddecator> tamran, i had to read that for my cognitive science class =) (well, a couple chapters)
[07:35] <tamran> that book really made a lot of sense
[07:35] <tamran> did you like the book?
[07:35] <ddecator> tamran, it's all true
[07:35] <Dr_Willis_> makes sence.. that means that  it will get ignored. :)
[07:35] <ddecator> yah, it has a lot of research supporting the claims
[07:35] <Dr_Willis_> Lots of research - tossed out the window to make somthing look 'mondern' and not 'outdated'
[07:35] <ddecator> mhmm...
[07:36] <Dr_Willis_> Seen it done so many times in the past.
[07:36] <tamran> I do like the more purply colors though
[07:36] <Dr_Willis_> trying to train the wife now that the 'firefox address bar' i setup for her also works as her 'google search text field' but even that confuses her now
[07:36] <tamran> moving the min/max/close buttons was not such a great idea though
[07:36] <ddecator> i still think orange would have been better...it's one of the identifiers of ubuntu...but it's a personal opinion
[07:37] <Dr_Willis_> Set wallpaper to a default nutral blueish.. and thats where it stays :)
[07:37] <ddecator> haha, i made my own wallpaper =)
[07:37] <Dr_Willis_> all these 'gradients' alwyas seem to look terriable onmy 2 WIDE screen montiors
[07:37] <tamran> well, the original color scheme was actually quite pleasing to most ... and there are themes to change it easy enough
[07:38] <Dr_Willis_> problem with the buttonorder. is that  it breaks other themes.. its  a system type setting I guess. and not a theme type setting.
[07:38] <Dr_Willis_> of course with gnome3 ever gets out.. all this will get tossed out the door also I imagine
[07:38] <ddecator> or at least completely rehauled
[07:39] <YaManicKill> w00t upgraded and my machine actually boots now :-P
[07:39] <sqwertle> I seem to be having troubles connecting to a wireless network: http://paste.ubuntu.com/394529/ : I'm not srue what this all means :(
[07:39] <ddecator> YaManicKill, congrats!
[07:39] <YaManicKill> turned it off last night, and this morn plymouth wouldn't boot my machine
[07:39] <YaManicKill> lol
[07:39] <YaManicKill> so i had to chroot into it from a live disk
[07:39] <ddecator> sqwertle, i'm not sure either...
[07:40] <ddecator> YaManicKill, did you possibly upgrade plymouth before the mountall update came out? haha
[07:40] <YaManicKill> ddecator: yep :-)
[07:40] <ddecator> had a hunch ;)
[07:40] <YaManicKill> but it's working now, so thats good
[07:40] <ddecator> for most people
[07:40] <YaManicKill> gwibber still isn't though...
[07:40]  * ddecator <-- not for this guy
[07:40] <YaManicKill> ddecator: how come?
[07:41] <ddecator> YaManicKill, i happen to have a setup that still causes a logout when i hit <enter> after the first boot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/538213
[07:42] <YaManicKill> ddecator: ahhh i had that as well, but not anymore
[07:42] <YaManicKill> it was doing it until today
[07:42] <YaManicKill> have you upgraded today?
[07:42] <ddecator> YaManicKill, like i said, fixed for most poeple
[07:42] <ddecator> people*
[07:42] <Dr_Willis_> One Other thing ive noticed thats annoying (or handy) in gnome now is the little 'helper messages' at the top of some file manager windows in specific locations
[07:42] <YaManicKill> i believe it is an nvidia bug
[07:42] <ddecator> YaManicKill, yah, but the updated didn't fix what's causing it for me
[07:42] <Dr_Willis_> sadly they really dont help me much.. other then to take up more space on the netbook scree
[07:43] <YaManicKill> weird...
[07:43] <ddecator> YaManicKill, it's all in the report ;)
[07:43] <YaManicKill> that was a bloody annoying bug
[07:43] <ddecator> yah, i was getting a lot of bugmail spam from it...
[07:43] <YaManicKill> lol yeah
[07:43] <YaManicKill> i just have 1 more annoying bug
[07:43] <YaManicKill> thats gwibber
[07:44] <YaManicKill> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/533017
[07:44] <YaManicKill> but anyways, am off now
[07:44] <YaManicKill> got to go to work
[07:44] <ddecator> alright, cya
[07:44] <YaManicKill> ciao peoples
[07:44] <hifi> my Thinkpad T23 is struggling to run lucid and gnome :(
[07:44] <ddecator> hifi, try xubuntu or lubuntu? or are you set on using gnome?
[07:45] <hifi> ddecator: not really, but would like to have a "stock" ubuntu
[07:46] <hifi> maybe adding memory would help
[07:46] <ddecator> hifi, understandable, haha. that might help, and as things update they might not use as many resources
[07:47] <hifi> on the other hand I like my minimalistin openbox setup I have on my desktop, but on the other hand I *do* like the ease of use and plug 'n pray features of ubuntu on my laptop
[07:48] <hifi> network-manager is a winner
[07:48] <Dr_Willis_> hmm.. the little 'network connection tool icons' (with the up/down arrow) really look like the kindof thing tha should be flickering colors as you get data.. is it supposed to just be a static icon?
[07:48] <ddecator> i think so, to match the mono theme
[07:48] <Dr_Willis_> yet another good idea they could of done.. missed I guess. :)
[07:48] <Dr_Willis_> Not sure what this 'box' next to my name at the top right is for either.
[07:48] <ddecator> might have happened if they stuck with humanity, haha
[07:49] <ddecator> box?
[07:49] <ddecator> in the me-menu?
[07:49] <Dr_Willis_> in the panel.
[07:49] <ddecator> ...
[07:49] <Dr_Willis_> next to my name  [ ] willis  Power button
[07:49] <Dr_Willis_> its part of that memmenu stuff it seems
[07:49] <ddecator> should be a little convo bubble thing
[07:50] <Dr_Willis_> status icon perhaps
[07:50] <ddecator> it shows your status in empathy
[07:50] <Dr_Willis_> but i find the whole 'social os from the begining.. sort of silly;
[07:50] <Dr_Willis_> im ANTI social :)
[07:50] <zniavre> useless if do not hav empathy installed ...
[07:50] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, ya if you connect to Pidgin / Empathy you get a colour there
[07:50] <ddecator> haha, i like the idea, but the me menu needs a lot of work...
[07:50] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, does it work with pidgin too?
[07:50] <tamran> well, I guess I won't be testing the alpha of 10.04 Kubuntu yet
[07:50] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, yup
[07:50] <tamran> alas
[07:51] <zniavre> does not work yet with xchat  sadly
[07:51] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, ah, even more reason for me to switch back to pidgin...i want to, but i like the potential of empathy...
[07:51] <Dr_Willis_> And since i dont use either of those im clients.. I will see a  box for the next few years. :)
[07:51] <zniavre> hey we got now plymouth+nvidia (repos) working it's great
[07:52] <zniavre> and no more enter key issue
[07:52] <sqwertle> ddecator: It seems setting my router to factory defaults has allowed me to connect satisfactorily
[07:52] <ddecator> zniavre, for most people -_-
[07:52] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, actually right now I'm not getting a colour there?  I'm sure i was the other day...
[07:52] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, is it just because the mono theme updated?
[07:52] <ddecator> sqwertle, odd...but good to hear =)
[07:52] <zniavre> ZykoticK9,  they change for mono(chrome) icon sets
[07:53] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, up until a couple days ago, it was the same as humanity, but now they're all black with an icon inside to convey your status
[07:53] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, sure enough - the icon does change, just not the colour
[07:53] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, yah not a fan of that...i actually just switched back to humanity because of it, haha
[07:54] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, i'm using Human as a theme right now
[07:55] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, you just switched to it, or the me-menu icons changed for the human theme too?
[07:55] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, i have only been using Human theme -- tried switching theme and although it changed the me-menu icon a little, non with colours
[07:56] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, does the drop-down me-menu show colors  but just not the one next to your name?
[07:57] <ddecator> that's what i have suddenly...
[07:57] <zniavre> ho this menu shows now good user face
[07:58] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, yup - dropdown yes to colours, icon no
[07:58] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm.. so i signed up for facebook..if someone sends me a msg or status update.. i 'should' see it now in the Memenu dialagods or somthing right?
[07:58] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, time to look for a bug report =)
[07:59] <ddecator> Dr_Willis_, not in the me-menu, you'll get a notification from gwibber about it
[08:00] <Dr_Willis_> Ok. Im chatting now on facebook withs omeone. was wondering if the chat messges would show up. but they are not.
[08:00] <ddecator> no from gwibber, only in empathy or pidgin
[08:00] <ddecator> for chat
[08:00] <Dr_Willis_> there they are in teh gwibber client.
[08:00] <tamran> hey guys, what is the BEST console font?  I don't like any of the default ones
[08:01] <Dr_Willis_> !info terminus
[08:01] <tamran> hehe, I know, it's a subjective question
[08:01] <Dr_Willis_> terminus is a popular one tamran
[08:01] <tamran> is terminus a font?
[08:01] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, perhaps bug 538114 ?
[08:01] <Dr_Willis_> yes
[08:01] <tamran> cool, lemme check that one out
[08:01] <Dr_Willis_> a font for console and xterma
[08:01] <ZykoticK9> bug #538114
[08:02] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, i think that's talking about how the mono theme has all black icons
[08:03] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, true, hunt continues
[08:03] <Dr_Willis_> !find terminus
[08:04] <tamran> dang, there is no terminus less than 9 pica
[08:04]  * Dr_Willis_ is old and sets his fonts to be like 1 in tall
[08:05] <ZykoticK9> there is a "Wishlist" bug to revert the buttons bug #532633
[08:06] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, i don't see one filed for me-menu...
[08:06] <ddecator> anyone else that can confirm this bug?
[08:06] <vivid> is there a thread or petition on the left sided window controls? :p
[08:06] <ddecator> vivid, mark the wishlist bug as affecting you =)
[08:07] <tamran> Dr_Willis_: someday I'll be that way
[08:08] <tamran> Dr_Willis_: but for now I'm going to squint damnit!
[08:08] <Dr_Willis_> I  used to use my amiga at like 640x480 res in 'interlace' mode with a 30mhz (i think) refersh rate
[08:08] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[08:08] <Dr_Willis_> the good old days.
[08:09] <tamran> holy, that gave me headaches
[08:09] <Dr_Willis_> wow - the nvidia settings tool is now in the system -> admin menu! :)
[08:09] <tamran> heh
[08:09] <tamran> nice that they fixed that
[08:10] <Dr_Willis_> and it actually DOES make a proper xorg.conf now if none exists
[08:10] <Dr_Willis_> brb.. restarting X to see if it actually worked.
[08:11] <Dr_Willis_> yes it did..  so finally they fixed what was a COMMON problem mentoned on the irc channels
[08:11] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[08:11] <Dr_Willis_> and the memenu set your login image i noticed
[08:11] <Fudge> hi when is beta coming, ive been using alpha3
[08:11] <ddecator> Fudge, the 18th i believe
[08:12] <Fudge> yay
[08:12] <ddecator> anyone else using a non-mono icon theme?
[08:14] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extace/+bug/399565
[08:14] <DanaG> random bug that's been around for a while.
[08:15] <DanaG> perhaps I should mark it confirmed?
[08:16] <ddecator> segfaults are hard to confirm...
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> ddecator:  ive noticed for a lot of icon themes i try the icons just vanish for the battery and network manager tools
[08:19] <ddecator> Dr_Willis, the applets completely stop working?
[08:19] <Dr_Willis_> they work - no icons -  a blcnk, or a X appears
[08:20] <Dr_Willis_> let me double check
[08:20] <ddecator> it might be that the theme doesn't have an icon for the applets?
[08:20] <Dr_Willis_> yea. i noticed it on the netbook. but not on this desktop i just installed tonight
[08:21] <Dr_Willis_> i dont have a battery icon on the desktop to check
[08:21] <ddecator> included themes or custom ones you installed?
[08:21] <Dr_Willis_> network manager does seem to default to some Ugly icon - if the theme dosent set one
[08:22] <Dr_Willis_> heh - network manager icon is now stuck :)  its a little black network conector
[08:23] <ddecator> that might be the old humanity icon
[08:23] <Dr_Willis_> wow the new theme really looks nasty if you put the button/order in the old way
[08:24] <ddecator> yah, that's one of the problems people have with it...
[08:24] <Dr_Willis_> even the Preview window in the theme manager tool looks ugly
[08:24] <ddecator> thankfully, the themes are still in development...
[08:25]  * vivid cheers!
[08:25] <Dr_Willis_> so much focus on the themes and other basically eyecandy things.. people ignore the bigger improvements and deeper issues
[08:26] <vivid> ignorance is bliss
[08:26] <ddecator> well it's lts, so it doesn't need a lot of new features, but i would think bug fixing would have more emphasis over changing the logos...
[08:26] <Dr_Willis_> i agree.  I dont see WHY theres suvh an obsession with changeing the theme with every new release
[08:27] <Dr_Willis_> was somthign Wrong with all these old themes that everyone loved when they came out.. :)
[08:27] <ddecator> not modern enough i guess, haha
[08:27] <Dr_Willis_> Todays Mondern is next months old...
[08:27] <ddecator> exactly
[08:27]  * Dr_Willis_ goes back to the Ximian Themes
[08:27] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[08:27] <ddecator> it's cyclical anyway
[08:28] <ddecator> but 11.10, humanity will be "vintage"
[08:28] <zniavre> wow the new software center is "weird"
[08:28] <ddecator> takes getting used to, but i like the new setup
[08:28] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, Ximian themes, man that take me back a few years :)
[08:29] <Dr_Willis_> ZykoticK9:  :)
[08:29] <Dr_Willis_> Im suprised theres not been some other BIG fork like that in gnome again.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis_> looking at softwarecenter now
[08:29] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, have you played with gnome-shell?  a fork may be coming.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis_> Looks like they changed the 'get free software' to be 'get software' now.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis_> I found gnome-shell useless. :)
[08:30] <ddecator> i do wish the ratings in software center were based on ratings of users and not download totals...
[08:30] <Dr_Willis_> the UNR interface at least was useable
[08:30] <zniavre> icons are sooo big why ?
[08:30] <Dr_Willis_> Gee software center needs a BIGGER 'LOGO' at the top of the thing. :) that Features Aplications and Smileyface padlock. isent near big enough
[08:30] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[08:30] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, me too.  Seeing as Lucid will be the last to support Gnome 2, I may finally have a reason to install a GUI on a server OS - that will give me 5 years of Gnome 2.
[08:31] <ddecator> yah not sure why the icons are so big, not good on netbooks i would think...
[08:31] <zniavre> not good on regular desktop too
[08:31] <ddecator> gnome 3 will be able to switch back to the gnome 2 style though
[08:31] <tamran> ok, prey for me ... doing the "upgrade" for Kubuntu
[08:32] <ddecator> tamran, good luck =)
[08:32] <ZykoticK9> tamran, report back, if possible ;)
[08:32] <Dr_Willis_> at least you can browse the software center while an app is installing
[08:32] <tamran> if it screws up, I'll just get the ISO files and make a CD
[08:32] <Dr_Willis_> thats a bonus
[08:32] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, for a little while you could actually que multiple installs
[08:33] <ddecator> ZykoticK9, that was nice
[08:33] <Dr_Willis_> Cant do that now. :)
[08:33] <ZykoticK9> tamran, i'm sorry - i do wish you all the best.  It would be good for the channel to know if it works.
[08:33] <tamran> hehe
[08:33] <tamran> don't be sorry, that was funny
[08:34] <tamran> I think it'll work
[08:34] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm.. i thinki crashed the software center
[08:34] <Dr_Willis_> Oh wait. it DID que the installs.
[08:34] <Dr_Willis_> it just dident say anything about it
[08:34] <ddecator> does it still?
[08:34] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, on the right side do/did you see the number change?
[08:34] <Dr_Willis_> yea. at theleft ' in progress' shows 2 items now
[08:34] <ddecator> i just wish you could start downloading the next package while the one installs
[08:35] <tamran> you know what I'd like to see? an install client (package manager) that uses bittorrent
[08:35] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, sorry yes left side
[08:35] <tamran> that's gotta be in the works somewhere?
[08:35] <ddecator> a bittorrent package manager?
[08:35] <tamran> should remove the need for choosing repositories
[08:35] <ZykoticK9> tamran, there is an apt-torrent package of some sort, not sure what it does
[08:36] <ddecator> i don't think that would get official support
[08:36] <tamran> this thing is actually upgrading!
[08:36] <Dr_Willis_> theres the apt-torrent thing in the repos.. but if no one uses it.. then its no use :)
[08:36] <ddecator> good news =)
[08:36] <tamran> it's really the way to go IMHO
[08:36] <Dr_Willis_> that software center gui needs work...
[08:36] <Dr_Willis_> it gets REAL sluggish when its doing stuff in thebackground
[08:37] <Dr_Willis_> and ive had to enter my sudo passowrd like 4 times now forit
[08:37] <Dr_Willis_> and i want to install 'mc' but cant seem to find it via the search feature
[08:37] <Dr_Willis_> !info mc
[08:38] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, mc - Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager
[08:38] <tamran> mc is in the repos
[08:38] <tamran> mc is aawesome
[08:38] <tamran> like the old norton commander
[08:38] <Dr_Willis_> Yes - and i know the command line  to install it..
[08:38] <Dr_Willis_> but i cant find it in that 'ubuntu software center' search
[08:39] <Dr_Willis_> there we go. searched for 'midnight'
[08:39] <Dr_Willis_> but it out Gnomecommander at teh front. :)
[08:39] <tamran> doesn't mc just bring it up?
[08:39] <Dr_Willis_> mc brought up like 10,000 items
[08:39] <tamran> ugg, dang
[08:39] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, searching for mc in (the recently graphically changed USC) bring it up as my first result
[08:39] <Dr_Willis_> There we go it did it now
[08:39] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm.
[08:40] <Dr_Willis_> it seems  diffrent on WHERE i searched from now
[08:40] <tamran> anyone here use screen?
[08:40] <ddecator> nah, i've heard good things though
[08:40] <ZykoticK9> tamran, perhaps a better question would be "anyone not use screen"
[08:40] <tamran> screen is awesome ddecator
[08:40] <Dr_Willis_> You can NOT que an install from the main search info. You have to go to the 'details' info  display and then use the 'Install-free' button
[08:41] <ddecator> i'm gonna start using it once i setup a server for irssi
[08:41] <Dr_Willis_> I use Byobu :)
[08:41] <tamran> I'm on irssi ... I can't use anything else
[08:41] <Dr_Willis_> I perfer weechat to irssi these days
[08:41] <tamran> what's weechat like? is it console?
[08:41] <Dr_Willis_> yes
[08:41] <ddecator> i'm just using xchat until, hopefully, next week
[08:41] <Dr_Willis_> its improvement over irssi in a great many ways
[08:41] <Dr_Willis_> !info weechat
[08:42] <tamran> lemme check out it's website
[08:42] <Dr_Willis_> I think 0.3.1 is the latest.
[08:42] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, thanks for sharing the que work-around (previously it had worked from the main search page?)
[08:42] <Dr_Willis_> ubuntus always a little out of date.
[08:42] <Dr_Willis_> ZykoticK9:  yea.  i just noticed that 'quirk'
[08:42]  * om26er have noted for a while now that Dr_Willis is a fan of weechat
[08:43] <Dr_Willis_> Smart Ignore filters work foar me! :)
[08:43] <tamran> OMG, weechat looks awesome
[08:43] <Dr_Willis_> too bad the weechat support channel is always full of Jerks. :)
[08:43] <tamran> you can actually make it list the people
[08:43] <Dr_Willis_> tamran:  i turn that off. :)
[08:43] <tamran> on the right/left hand side
[08:43] <tamran> LOL
[08:44] <Dr_Willis_> Like i need to see a list of 10000 people in a channel
[08:44] <tamran> 91% downloaded update ... once it starts installing she's gonna get bumpy
[08:44] <Dr_Willis_> I installed k9copy via the software center.. been taking forever.
[08:44] <Dr_Willis_> and NOW it just crashed. :)
[08:44] <tamran> I used to use irssi inside of a screen window on my "server" box
[08:44] <Dr_Willis_> heh
[08:45] <tamran> I had an uptime of over 6 months on that box
[08:45] <tamran> with screen and irssi running the whole time ... I never missed a beat
[08:45] <ddecator> tamran, that's what i'm planning on doing
[08:45] <Dr_Willis_> byobu = screen with some tweaked configs
[08:45] <tamran> ddecator: yeah, get your old machine out and make it a fileserver
[08:46] <Dr_Willis_> I also was using znc with my irc clients for a long time.
[08:46] <ddecator> tamran, just waiting for spring break
[08:46] <Dr_Willis_> !info znc
[08:46] <tamran> ddecator: then use ssh, screen, mc and irssi (or weechat)
[08:46] <tamran> ddecator: it's pretty freakin sweet IMHO
[08:46] <Dr_Willis_> well software center some how reported a crash 4 times while installing stuff.. i wonder if it actually instaleld them
[08:47] <ddecator> tamran, no worries, i've got it planned out, the old desktop is just in a different state right now, haha
[08:47] <tamran> hehe, is the state "in pieces"? :P
[08:47] <ddecator> tamran, no, i mean i'm in illinois and the desktop is back home in michigan =p
[08:47] <tamran> are you in decater?
[08:47] <tamran> err, decator?
[08:48] <ddecator> the city is decatur, haha, and no, i go to school in chicago
[08:48] <tamran> I used to live in Peoria
[08:48] <tamran> now I'm in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
[08:48] <ddecator> quite a move, haha
[08:48] <tamran> I'm from Edmonton
[08:49] <tamran> I used to work for "a construction equipment manufacturer"
[08:49] <ddecator> that sounds exciting...
[08:49] <tamran> it is exciting if you like 6-sigma
[08:49] <ddecator> yaaaaaaaaaaah
[08:50] <tamran> where in Illinois are you? Decatur?
[08:50] <ddecator> like i said, i'm at school in chicago =p
[08:50] <tamran> oh, ok ... I'm sorry I wasn't paying proper attention ... you're not in Illinois
[08:51] <tamran> and you're from Mich
[08:51]  * tamran is finally pickin' up what you're layin' down
[08:51] <tamran> what are you taking in Chicago?
[08:51] <tamran> Engineering?
[08:52] <ddecator> i'm in chicago, but i grew up in mich. i'm actually a psych major
[08:52] <tamran> ahh
[08:52] <tamran> science or arts stream?
[08:52] <tamran> I have a brother with both undergrad degrees
[08:52] <ddecator> arts, going for clinical phd
[08:53] <ddecator> well, i'm working on bachelors right now, but i plan to get my phd
[08:53] <tamran> cool
[08:53] <tamran> I'm doing an Msc right now
[08:53] <ddecator> but this is way off topic, haha
[08:54] <tamran> I forgot, we're not allowed to talk about anything other than Lucid Ubuntu stuff here
[08:54] <ddecator> well, it's more that we don't want to spam everyone else, haha
[08:54] <tamran> it's understandable
[08:54] <ddecator> but i need to get some sleep. talk to you all tomorrow (or today, however you want to see it)
[08:55] <tamran> take care ddecator
[08:55] <tamran> nice chatting
[08:55] <woRg> X isn't starting after an upgrade to Lucid on intel i810, worked fine on Karmic, there's a bug on intel driver?
[08:57] <om26er> woRg, read topic?
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> proberly lots of work on intel and other video drivers right now.
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> go to console and update/upgrade and hope it gets fixed? :)
[08:58] <om26er> Dr_Willis, intel's drivers at this stage are much better than other open drivers
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  but they are staying with the older drivers for the LTS if i recall some artical
[08:59] <om26er> indeed
[08:59] <Dr_Willis>  but Intel drivers have been a on again/off agatin issue it seems for the last few releases
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> but its Progress at least
[08:59] <woRg> om26er:sorry not yet, I'll read it! Dr_Willis : thanks I'll try it
[08:59] <ZykoticK9> lol - just kicked out of #ubuntu for this question.  How can I determine which device by bluetooth adapter is using?
[09:00] <om26er> ZykoticK9, they dont kick, you must have been warned
[09:00] <tamran> man, with all the "claims" that intel is pro linux, none of their drivers seem to be working.  I've got a laptop that has an intel wireless card in it and it has a kernel panic if I connect to a wpa network
[09:01] <ZykoticK9> om26er, sorry figure of speech, just politely asked to leave :)
[09:01] <om26er> I mean you must have been warned a few times
[09:01] <pfifo> hai guise
[09:01] <tamran> ZykoticK9: they kicked you for that?
[09:01] <ZykoticK9> om26er, i wasn't "kicked" at all
[09:01] <om26er> great
[09:02] <tamran> that's almost reminiscent of RTFM
[09:02] <ZykoticK9> I just thought it was just a general question it wouldn't need +1
[09:02] <tamran> man, upgrade is still installing ...
[09:03] <ZykoticK9> Restating my "issue" my Bluetooth is working fine, but I'm trying to use Wammu to talk to my phone - and it needs a device name, and everyone I've tried ends up crashing the program
[09:06] <tamran> if I have the alpha3 on my system, when alpha4 comes out (or beta1 or whatever) will it just roll along?  What about when the LTS is ready?
[09:06] <kklimonda> tamran: yes
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> faq#2 :) at least heh...
[09:06] <kklimonda> tamran: your alpha3 is going to be updated to beta1 and then to final release
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> thats a main 'feature/binifit' of the apt packaging system that such things are possible
[09:07] <tamran> oh oh ... the "upgrade" looks like it had an error
[09:08]  * tamran sobs
[09:08] <tamran> looks like some unmet dependencies
[09:09] <tamran> ok, I see the problem
[09:10] <tamran> how do I uninstall a package with apt-get again?
[09:10] <tamran> apt-get purge foo?
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> or remove
[09:12] <tamran> apt-get install -f seems to be doing something
[09:18] <om26er> my system froze
[09:19] <tamran> om26er: was the caps lock key flashing?
[09:19] <om26er> no
[09:19] <om26er> but the songt hat was playing was repeating
[09:20] <tamran> I had some system freezups with the intel wireless driver
[09:21] <om26er> tamran, do you get ath5k: phy0: failed to wakeup the MAC Chip?
[09:21] <om26er> wifi stops working?
[09:21] <tamran> I don't know what it was, but the same bug affected that driver I think
[09:21] <tamran> if I connected to a WPA network
[09:21] <tamran> with WEP, it just didn't work well
[09:24] <KnifeySpooney> Anybody know how to enable the graphical boot for plymouth on Lucid?
[09:24] <KnifeySpooney> from the daily image it just uses a text boot
[09:24] <kklimonda> KnifeySpooney: does you card and drivers support KMS?
[09:26] <KnifeySpooney> I've seen the graphical boot before (liveUSB ran it fine) but when I installed Lucid, it went back to the text boot. My gfx card is Intel 82946GZ .. I think it supports Plymouth
[09:27] <kklimonda> it should
[09:29] <KnifeySpooney> So the question is.. how do I set the graphical boot to run? I think the problem is that it just is not told to run with a splash
[09:29] <KnifeySpooney> oh wait.. d'oh.. i'll try from grub
[09:44] <tamran> man, update is still going ...
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> weeee
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> been faster to clean install :)
[09:45] <tamran> yeah
[09:45] <tamran> but someone's gotta test this stuff
[09:54] <vivid> is there  a way to configure gdm in lucid?
[09:56] <tamran> I had heard no
[09:56] <vivid> : / the old school gnome standard theme is boring, oh well
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> there are some gdm2 config tools out for some tweaking
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> and epidermis might work
[09:57] <vivid> well, i upgraded, maybe it caused a problem
[09:57] <vivid> does your login screen look like 5 years ago linux?
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> loosk like the one in the last release i belive
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> i see it for all of like 5 secs as it auto logs in
[10:01] <vivid> yea mine has that background, but the login box and bar are basically unthemed. no big deal just wondering if im missing a theme package
[10:20] <kklimonda> vivid: login box and bar should use Radiance theme
[10:30] <vivid> kklimonda, mine isnt using it at all, looks more like the old redmond theme
[10:30] <vivid> square buttons, etc
[10:31] <vivid> my guess is that its set to what it was in karmic, which doesnt exist anymore, so defaults to old
[10:31] <kklimonda> vivid: weird
[10:31] <vivid> ill figure it out later, testing my 190.53 drivers atm
[10:32] <kklimonda> vivid: that does make some sense
[10:32] <yofel> vivid: why not 195.36?
[10:32] <vivid> id rather not take the chance of destroying my hardware
[10:33] <yofel> wasn't that some later version? (well not sure, I have a fanless gpu so I didn't check)
[10:34] <vivid> not sure what the problem is exactly, but when people say use at your own risk and theres a fan speed issue, im comfortable with building a package and being old for a week or two
[10:34] <vivid> :p
[10:35] <ellar> hello, i'm having 100% of cput for gvfsd-sftp and it doesn't stop or even mount. Which would be an approach to debug it?
[10:38] <kklimonda> ellar: the best way would be to install dbgsym packages, gdb. Then to connect to the running process and attaining backtrace
[10:40] <ellar> kklimonda, are that already package names "dbgsym" and "gdb"?
[10:40] <kklimonda> ellar: the process of getting dbgsym and generating backtrace is outlined on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[10:52] <ellar> is anyone else experiencing problems when mounting sftp shares through gnome /gvfs?
[10:53] <kklimonda> ellar: works for me
[10:53] <ellar> the debugging thing is too hard for me. can i just reinstall gvfsd-sftp?
[10:54] <kklimonda> ellar: sure - but it may not help
[10:55] <kklimonda> ellar: you can kill current gvfsd-sftp process and start the new one manually by typing /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-sftp --debug and it should print some debug info
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> ellar:  its was working here when ive tried for the last day or 2
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> ellar:  not had any issues on the 2 test machnes i got
[11:05] <ellar> do you know the command line options to pass for gvfsd-sftp --debug? it only says mount failed: no server name... i don't know how to pass the server name!
[11:06] <alkisg> In older ubuntu/impress versions there was an Ubuntu template, I don't see that in Lucid, is it in a package that I'd have to install or it isn't ready yet due to the logo changes?
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> alkisg:  you mean a Templates directory? or some example document?
[11:09] <alkisg> Dr_Willis: an example theme
[11:10] <alkisg> I.e. I want to make a presentation for Ubuntu/LTSP, and I'd like to have the standard ubuntu colors in it, and the logo etc
[11:11] <alkisg> So in older versions I would select in Impress: New > presentation > from template, and I would select the ubuntu template...
[11:17] <ellar> kklimonda, i tried debugging with gvfs-mount but gvfsd-sftp is always called independently with a "spawner" so how to debug this directly? debug of gvfs-mount is http://paste.ubuntu.com/394632/
[11:27] <ellar> so what is left for me? reinstall ubuntu?
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> hmm
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> in theory - if yoiu reinstalled.. you should get the exact same results.
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> since its installing the same packages
[11:30] <kklimonda> ellar: if there is a bug it's not going to just disappear. I've told you how to debug a running process already and linked to the related page - no idea how else can I help you as apparently gvfs doesn't print any debug. backtrace from gvfs-mount doesn't help as it doesn't use 100% of cpu
[11:30] <kklimonda> ellar: can you test if it also happens on a guest account?
[11:31] <kklimonda> ellar: if it doesn't than there is something wrong with your configuration, if it does then reinstalling shouldn't make a difference
[11:42] <Okidesu> oh btw i can't drag&drop HomeFolder to the task bar to create shortcut :)
[11:42] <ellar> kklimonda, great idea. it works on a guest account. So how to reset my account then?
[11:44] <kklimonda> ellar: heh, no idea - I'd just move everything from ~/ to ~/Backup/ and then restore some critical config
[11:55] <penguin42> anyone having problems uploading crashes from apport at the moment? My firefox crashed and tried to upload a crash report but failed after a few minutes of uploading with 'cannot connect to crash database'
[11:55] <penguin42> but the connection is fine
[11:55] <duffydack> Im using netbook alpha3 and while downloading updates after 10mins my display turns off, as it should, but when I enter my password to bring it back on its just stuck on 'checking'  what can I do
[12:10] <kklimonda> duffyou can't do much - it's either bug in gnome keyring or somewhere between gnome keyring, gnome screensaver and ecryptfs.
[12:13] <kermiac_> penguin42: bug 538097
[12:13] <penguin42> kermiac_: Ah OK, no point in trying it again then
[12:14] <penguin42> can someone tell me if ff crashes for them on http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm  or is it just me (It's an electricity grid overview nothing odd)
[12:15] <kklimonda> penguin42: works fine here
[12:15] <kklimonda> penguin42: there is quite a lot of flash content there, maybe that's the issue?
[12:16] <penguin42> yeh I suspect so, it's worked fine in ff for years for me though so  something has changed
[12:48] <ellar> kklimonda, i found out that it only crashes when the password is stored in seahorse. When i delete password i can connect
[12:50] <kklimonda> ellar: hmm.. I use ssh key to authenticate so it's possible that gnome keyring is acting nasty again
[12:55] <ellar> kklimonda, thank you for your help. i will stop here.
[12:57] <Spirits-Sight> Anyone know how to make a Win CE 6 act like a storage device on Ubuntu?
[12:58] <red> Hmm, running Gaupol I get "failed to parse file" on every subtitle file I open
[12:58] <red> it worked fine for weeks but now it's erroring on everything
[12:59] <red> and I've tried rebooting and install --reinstall
[13:09] <mortal_> does someone else have problems booting a vanilla linux on lucid?
[13:10] <yofel> mortal_: could be that a vanilla linux kernel can't work  with plymouth, try to pure plymouth and try again
[13:10] <yofel> s/pure/purge
[13:11] <mortal_> possible
[13:11] <mortal_> acpi cpufreq should be built as a module
[13:12] <mortal_> I have to do a recompile for phc intel
[13:12] <mortal_> that is, voltage control
[13:15] <mortal_> will purging plymouth be bad
[13:15] <mortal_> and make my system unbootable
[13:17] <yofel> mortal_: it *should* not, unless you need cryptsetup
[13:17] <yofel> I have plymouth purged here and it boots fine
[13:22] <mortal_> it depends on plymouth-x11
[13:23] <yofel> mortal_: well, purging pylmouth will remove anything related to the boot splash, (except libplymouth which is needed by mountall)
[13:24] <mortal_> ok thanks
[13:25] <penguin42> mortal_: I have the same problem with vanilla kernels
[13:25] <Spirits-Sight> how do I install synce on this verision of Ubuntu? the normal ways do not seem to work?
[13:25] <penguin42> mortal_: I haven't figured out what is really needed
[13:26] <mortal_> is there a bug report filed
[13:26] <penguin42> mortal_: I haven't figured out if it's a bug or it's just something that needs configuring in the vanilla kernel; it would be nice for something to tell you why it's hung
[13:28] <mortal_> penguin42: I compile my vanillas by copying the ubuntu's .config to the vanilla kernel's directory
[13:28] <mortal_> so it is not a configuration issue
[13:28] <yofel> Spirits-Sight: which package would that be? there are a few that start with synce-...
[13:28] <penguin42> mortal_: Interesting, mine was a more custom configuration so I'd assumed it was something it wanted
[13:28] <penguin42> mortal_: I guess the only way then is to look down the set of patches included in the ubuntu kernel and see what they added
[13:33] <Spirits-Sight> yofel: sudo apt-get install librra0 librra0-tools librapi2-tools libsynce0 synce-dccm synce-multisync-plugin synce-serial
[13:35] <yofel> Spirits-Sight: we don't have synce-dccm anymore, (actually hardy was the last release that had it)
[13:35] <Spirits-Sight> yofel: http://pastebin.com/s5jiJEPq is what happens when I try to install
[13:35] <Spirits-Sight> yofel: so what do I do?
[13:36] <fabio333> Spirits-Sight: i used synce in a differente fascion
[13:37] <fabio333> get odccm running -> then synce-serial-start -> synce-serial-abort
[13:38] <Spirits-Sight> what what sorry confusing ? I am just learning :(
[13:39] <Spirits-Sight> fabio333: can you PM my with the steps / setup?
[13:39] <yofel> Spirits-Sight: try what fabio333 suggested, other than that, maybe ask in #ubuntu-motu what happened to the package, but it seems the maintainer is gone [https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synce-dccm]
[13:39] <yofel> it was dropped from debian as well
[13:40] <fabio333> Spirits-Sight: it's very simple
[13:40] <fabio333> used for a windows mobile smartphone
[13:40] <Spirits-Sight> I want to have access to the files on the PDA
[13:40] <fabio333> ok
[13:41] <fabio333> there could be better ways, like synce-hal and synce pseudo file systems..
[13:41] <Spirits-Sight> I ask u PM so I can save and read later as I am about to leave :-)
[13:41] <fabio333> synce://
[13:41] <fabio333> ok
[13:43] <mortal_> penguin42: maybe the kernel devs know more
[13:45] <penguin42> probably, although it's just possible that it happens to work with what ever fix is in there
[13:49] <penguin42> mortal_: The diff is pretty big though
[13:51] <penguin42> 520kloc diff
[14:07] <Okidesu> i can't install wacom-tools, so is there a way to configure wacom tablets with xserver-xorg-input-wacom ?
[14:09] <syk> how do i re-enable the "missing icons" in the gnome menu? in the appearance options there is no interface tab
[14:11] <kklimonda> syk: you have to use gconf-editor
[14:11] <syk> oh
[14:11] <kklimonda> syk: the key is /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons
[14:12] <syk> k
[14:13] <syk> thanks
[14:13] <tgpraveen12> does evince have a built in OCR reader?
[14:13] <tgpraveen12> can i open a img of a scanned page and evince will read it as text?
[14:14] <penguin42> I don't think so
[14:14] <kklimonda> tgpraveen12: I don't think so
[14:14] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: There are a bunch of OCR packages in the repos
[14:15] <tgpraveen12> penguin42: tried any of them? know which has highest accuracy?
[14:15] <penguin42> I think last time I tried they were all pretty awful - but it might depend on your source
[14:15] <syk> how would i use gconf-editor to get the close/minimize/maximize buttons on the right instead of the left?
[14:15] <tgpraveen12> hmm penguin42 yet another area to be improved upon
[14:18] <kklimonda> syk: please, just use google - this question has been asked so many times in the last few days it's not even funny ;)
[14:18] <syk> lol ok
[14:18] <fabio333> syk: metacity got composite and transparent theme, find that also
[14:19] <kklimonda> fabio333: does it take almost a second for alt+tab to show up when you have composition enabled in metacity?
[14:19] <fabio333> kklimonda: i got something better than metacity lol
[14:20] <penguin42> does anyone know what during boot does the fsck and the 'press C to skip'
[14:20] <fabio333> penguin42: checking disk
[14:20] <fabio333> you can tune it with tune2fs
[14:20] <penguin42> fabio333: No, I mean which package presents the message
[14:21] <davidpramana> #usg-ithb
[14:21]  * penguin42 wants to report a bug about the message but isn't sure where
[14:21] <fabio333> there is a printk somewhere
[14:22] <penguin42> fabio333: Nah it's not kernel; it's something in the pretty start up - maybe plymouth or mountall or one of those
[14:22] <yofel> penguin42: I'm not entirely sure, but I think mountall should be responsible for the fsck runs
[14:22] <fabio333> plymouth+kms working fo u?
[14:22] <penguin42> yofel: Thanks - it had a horrid flickering between 2 messages today
[14:22] <penguin42> fabio333: I believe so
[14:22] <fabio333> plymouth+kms = no flickering
[14:23] <ibkanat> what the solution to ubuntu 10.4 not booting after upgrade theres no grub menu
[14:23] <penguin42> fabio333: No, it wasn't a general flickering - it was a screw up in what ever presents that message - it flicked rapidly between two messages
[14:23] <ibkanat> cant find mount some upgrade
[14:23] <yofel> ibkanat: to get to the grub menu hold left shift pressed on boot
[14:24] <yofel> ibkanat: what exactly *do* you see now?
[14:24] <ibkanat> update I mean
[14:24] <ibkanat> ahhh thats better
[14:24] <fabio333> penguin42: do you have the plymouth splash?
[14:24] <penguin42> fabio333: Yes
[14:25] <fabio333> dmesg | grep dmm ---> kernel modesetting?
[14:25] <fabio333> drm*
[14:25] <ibkanat> says init: mountall main process (327) terminated status 127
[14:25] <penguin42> fabio333: it's after that, it decided one of the disks needed a regular check (fine) - but then flickered between ''Your disk drive needs to be checked for routine error' and 'press c to skip' very quickly
[14:25] <yofel> ibkanat: dunno, bug we had some issues with booting due to bug 538292 (see  topic)
[14:25] <penguin42> (the text is approximate - I wrote it down while it was doing it)
[14:26] <ibkanat> oh before that mountall: error while loading shared libraries: libplybootclient.so.2: canonot open shared object file: no such file or direcrtory
[14:27] <kklimonda> ibkanat: read bug 538292
[14:28] <ibkanat> ok sol then
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> and Plymoth is what gives us like a 3 second animation as the system boots right?
[14:36] <tgpraveen12> yes
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> Such a IMPORNTANT thing :)
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> if they optmize the boot up times any more.. plymouth will be slowing us down. :()
[14:38] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: actually it does more than that
[14:38] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: the animation is just a nice addition
[14:38] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: It already does, there was somewhere saying that it had
[14:40] <vistakiller> i use kubuntu lucid
[14:41] <vistakiller> and because kpakcagekit is very bad package manager i use synaptic
[14:41] <vistakiller> but..
[14:41] <vistakiller> every time i use synaptic in lucid
[14:41] <vistakiller> crash the plasma
[14:41] <vistakiller> i dont know why
[14:41] <yofel> o.O
[14:41] <yofel> lemme try
[14:42] <vistakiller> anyone else have notice this problem
[14:42] <vistakiller> ?
[14:42] <Dr_Willis> i dont use kubuntu  so havent noticed
[14:42] <Dr_Willis> plasma i find crashes if youy look at it funny :)
[14:42] <tgpraveen12> kubuntu really needs its own channel to help those folks better
[14:43] <vistakiller> yes but i cant work with kpackagekit
[14:43] <Dr_Willis> there is #kubuntu :)  but no #kubuntu+1 tht i know of.
[14:43] <vistakiller> is so bad package manager
[14:43] <vistakiller> and now i cant use synaptic
[14:43] <Dr_Willis> whats so bad about it? ive never noticed,
[14:43] <Dr_Willis> theres alwyas the command line
[14:43] <vistakiller> yeah i use apt-get now
[14:43] <vistakiller> kpackagekit is has very poor option
[14:44] <vistakiller> to manage the package
[14:44] <vistakiller> and is completly break
[14:44] <vistakiller> i dont know why the use this crap in kubuntu.. :P
[14:44] <Dr_Willis> wow.. 20 seconds from hitting Enter on GRUB to the GDM login screen
[14:45] <yofel> vistakiller: works fine here on x86, do you have a backtrace of the crash?
[14:45] <kklimonda> heh, my laptop actually boots slower and slower with every mileston reached
[14:45] <vistakiller> i have and a fresh install in virtual box
[14:45] <yofel> kklimonda: maybe you're just adding too much stuff? :P
[14:45] <vistakiller> and there i have the same problem
[14:45] <vistakiller> kubuntu lucid and synaptic
[14:45] <kklimonda> yofel: I add absolutely nothing
[14:46] <kklimonda> yofel: and that's the point - my desktop is almost pristine :)
[14:46] <vistakiller> yofel you use kubuntu?
[14:46] <yofel> vistakiller: yes
[14:46] <kklimonda> yofel: two months ago my laptop booted in 12 seconds from grub to idle desktop and now it's 22 seconds :)
[14:46] <vistakiller> if you open synaptic
[14:46] <vistakiller> and you done one search
[14:47] <vistakiller> the is not crashing?
[14:47] <Azelphur> Trying to install lucid from a livecd, got the new usplash up, after a while the dots stop changing and it hangs :(
[14:47] <Azelphur> Can't switch to a tty or anything
[14:47] <vistakiller> and in which project i have to report this bug? to synaptic or plasma-desktop?
[14:48] <yofel> kklimonda: my last bootchart was like this: (with an SSD though) http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/bootchart/yofel-eee-lucid-20100311-1.png
[14:48] <kklimonda> can I generate a dependency tree for package?
[14:49] <yofel> vistakiller: no, doesn't crash
[14:49] <kklimonda> ok, debtree
[14:49] <vistakiller> strange...and as i say i have the same problem in virtual box fresh install
[14:50] <kklimonda> yofel: nice :)
[14:50] <yofel> vistakiller: not sure, can you get a backtrace? and does apport or the KDE crash manager start?
[14:50] <kklimonda> yofel: but that's to be expected with ssd
[14:50] <vistakiller> yes and i have one message
[14:50] <tgpraveen12> i remember home folder encryption being  abig feature of karmic. during the installation phase it can be set. but what is the point of it in light of http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/reset-a-password-in-ubuntu/
[14:51] <vistakiller> ok if i get backtrace i have to do a new bug report with all the messages?
[14:51] <yofel> vistakiller: well, do you get an apport report or KDE crash report?
[14:51] <vistakiller> yes
[14:51] <yofel> vistakiller: well, *which* one?
[14:52] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: Well that's standard user password, I'd hope that encryption uses something separate
[14:52] <vistakiller> wait to open synaptic and crash desktop :P
[14:52] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: You've always been able to do that in UNIX for the last 20 years - encryption should be keying off something separate
[14:52] <vistakiller>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  kdeinit4 PID: 1855 Σήμα: 11 (Segmentation fault)
[14:53] <tgpraveen12> penguin42: "encryption should be keying off something separate". did not understand what u meant by that?
[14:53] <vistakiller> yofel and this is the message from bug http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/m4938bdb6
[14:53] <tgpraveen12> also what is the point of encrypting it if the password can be bypassed so easily
[14:54] <tgpraveen12> i mean its like not even worth the effort for encrypting
[14:54] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: I've not used home directory encryption - I've only used separate luks directories, but when do you enter your password for decrypting?
[14:54] <tgpraveen12> if i t takes 10s to bypass it
[14:54] <tgpraveen12> penguin42: at GDM with ur user password it gets unlocked
[14:54] <tgpraveen12> automatically
[14:55] <penguin42> tgpraveen12: Hmm OK, I don't know how the password is linked to the decryption - that 10s workaround is purely changing the password test during login, I'd hope the encryption actually needs the right password to extract the keys for decryption - and tha twouldn't be changed by passwd
[14:55] <penguin42> passwd is purely about the 'is it the right password to login'
[14:56] <vistakiller> do i have to create a new bug report?
[14:57] <yofel> vistakiller: ok, seems like the daisy plasma applet crashed
[14:57] <vistakiller> a
[14:57] <vistakiller> ok i remove it
[14:57] <vistakiller> and after i use synaptic again
[14:57] <vistakiller> wait to relog because i am in black screen now :P
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> im still trying to figure out what all thie MeMenu does. I got a face book acount.. so if i put some test in that Text entry field.. it adds a comment to my Facebook blog?
[14:59] <tgpraveen12> Dr_Willis: iirc it sets ur status
[14:59] <tgpraveen12> on FB
[14:59] <tgpraveen12> the line next to ur name in FB
[14:59] <tgpraveen12> though i dont use FB so am not sure.
[14:59] <tgpraveen12> also it sends out a twitter msg if configured
[15:00] <vistakiller> ok i have unistall it let me see now..
[15:00] <vistakiller> yeah was daisy!!
[15:00] <vistakiller> now synaptic works fine
[15:00] <vistakiller> strange...
[15:01] <vistakiller> i run synaptic from daisy launcher
[15:01] <vistakiller> do the plasma crash have a connection with this?
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> tgpraveen12:  actually it added a entry to my News Feed it seems. :)
[15:02] <yofel> vistakiller: if you want, add the dbgsym repos from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash to your sources, install  plasma-widget-daisy-dbgsym and what additional -dbg packages the KDE crash manager tells you, crash it again and report a bug
[15:02] <tgpraveen12> Dr_Willis: ok
[15:02] <vistakiller> ok yofel :D
[15:02] <vistakiller> thanks for the help
[15:02] <yofel> vistakiller: you're welcome
[15:02] <vistakiller> i will not find allone this thing :D
[15:03] <yofel> vistakiller: that's why we're here ;)
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> The default fonts seem a little... blocky to me..  anyone else seeing this?
[15:04] <vistakiller> i have and one other problem but i will ask tommorow :P
[15:04] <vistakiller> i dont want to spam the channel too much :D
[15:08] <tgpraveen> vish: I got the new humanity-icon-theme update just now but my banshee icon is still the old one. not the new monochrome one
[15:08] <tgpraveen> though I use banshee from the daily ppa
[15:08] <vish> tgpraveen: banshee task is still open , they need to use it
[15:09] <tgpraveen> oh so the icon is there in the theme but not used still. ok understood
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> wow - i rember why i QUIT using AIM chat. :)
[15:10] <Dr_Willis> So i now have face book and AIM signed in using the MeMenu :)  what does that do for me is what im wondering
[15:17] <hifi> is there something wrong with the linux-headers-2.6.32-16 package?
[15:17] <hifi> dpkg freezes on my laptop when unpacking it
[15:18] <yofel> hifi: not really, dpkg has gotten ridicously slow
[15:19] <yofel> hifi: in an attempt to fix bug 512096, they added some fsyncs to dpkg that really slow it down
[15:19] <hifi> oh
[15:19] <hifi> I'll wait then
[15:19] <hifi> screwed up my netinstall and killed dpkg as I thought it did freeze
[15:20] <yofel> hifi: add yourself to bug 537241
[15:20] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh it's really slow - I was actually waiting to go to bed last night waiting for it to finish
[15:21] <hifi> need to wait and see if it's really just slow or dead
[15:21] <hifi> after that I'll add myself
[15:22] <penguin42> it wouldn't be so bad to do a sync at the end of a chain of deb operations
[15:23] <yofel> penguin42: the issue was that if the control files aren't synced immediately a crash could get dpkg into a state where it doesn't want to do anything (see the exec format error bug)
[15:24] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh I've read it, ah I guess they're doing the sync before the rename - hmm yes that sucks; some one needs a less painful answer than sync
[15:25] <hifi> would that affect the unpacking state of dpkg?
[15:25] <balas> if i were to try and sudo update-manager -d at this point will there be any problems with the computer not being able to reboot ?  i tried maybe 4 days ago, and it hung :(  i'm now using an nvidia card, maybe that'll do it ?
[15:26] <arand> balas: maybe, maybe not, don't do it on an important, un-backuped machine.
[15:26] <yofel> balas: we/I do/did have nvidia and plymouth issues, don't know if they were resolved
[15:26] <hifi> oh, it worked
[15:27] <balas> yofel, could you live with them, or were they show stoppers ?
[15:28] <balas> i tried last with a ati card, maybe this nvidia one will bring me more luck
[15:28] <yofel> stoppers
[15:28] <balas> ooh
[15:28] <balas> not good
[15:28] <balas> ok
[15:28] <balas> may i ask what nvidia chipset you have ?
[15:29] <penguin42> balas: I'm running ATI with the opensource drivers and all is good; what card have you got?
[15:29] <penguin42> (although I'm running xorg-edgers)
[15:29] <balas> 8600 gt
[15:29] <balas> nvidia
[15:29] <penguin42> no, I mean the ATI one you said you tried
[15:29] <balas> rv620
[15:29] <penguin42> hmm that should work with the opensource driver, I'm running an rv710
[15:29] <balas> i think videos will run smoother under nvidia than the ATI
[15:30] <balas> is that true ?  i'm using beta 3 of adobe flash player 10.1
[15:30] <balas> i've had good results with things playing back
[15:32] <penguin42> youtube works well fo rme - it goes very sluggish when it has the overlay at the start to tell you to hit escape to leave full screen, but when it's actually in fullscreen it's OK
[15:48] <michLinuxGuy> I bought an HP dv7-3183cl laptop.  The wireless adapter wasn't recognized after I installed Alpha3.  Any hints?
[15:50] <syk> I just installed 10.04 alpha 3 and installed all updates and rebooted and it booted me into a command prompt login
[15:50] <syk> how do I start gnome?
[15:51] <michLinuxGuy> gdm
[15:52] <om26er> syk, press ctrl+alt+F7
[15:52] <syk> ty
[15:52] <om26er> syk, worked?
[15:53] <syk> yup
[15:54] <om26er> I say this should be added to the topic
[15:54] <syk> how do I get it to login automatically where I don't have to do that everytime?
[15:55] <om26er> syk, bug 538292
[15:55] <om26er> actually its not that bug
[15:56] <om26er> bug 538214
[15:56] <syk> ah a bug:P
[16:01] <BUGabundo> one of this days, I'll get tired of this, and make a chroot script and apply for MIR
[16:01] <BUGabundo> got bitten for the mountall bug :(
[16:01] <BUGabundo> its like the 3rd time this cyle I had to use liveusb and chroot in to fix my system
[16:14] <Dr_Willis> BUGabundo:  you can set up grub2 to boot an ISO file from a hd partition :)
[16:14] <Dr_Willis> a super-rescue mode
[16:15] <BUGabundo> Dr_Willis: I know grub2 allows that
[16:16] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: I remember you saying that - but I forgot the link to your tutorial on that - may I ask you to repost it?
[16:16] <BUGabundo> but I never actually implemented it
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> guntbert:  i got the links at http://delicious.com/dr_willis
[16:16] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: thx :)
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> one good reason to have a /boot partiton of a few GB :)
[16:17] <BUGabundo> http://rww.dreamwidth.org/3100.htmlq
[16:20] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/~jordanu/+archive/supergrub
[16:26] <red> Could someone install Gaupol from repositories and test if they can open a .sub and .srt file with it? It worked until fine until I updated lucid yesterday
[16:26] <red> Now every file I attempt to open gives file parse error.
[16:26] <red> Gnome-Subtitles and Subtitleeditor both works, but they are worse than Gaupol :(
[16:27] <lenios> what do you mean worse?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> does this sound a sane script? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wggPR0x6
[16:38] <BUGabundo> $ sudo update-grub
[16:38] <BUGabundo> lets give this a try
[16:40] <kklimonda> <3 weechat
[16:40] <kklimonda> the best irc client so far
[16:40] <balas> would be my best bet for a rebootable lucid /w nvidia card be with the daily build, or simply "alpha 3"
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> kklimonda:  yep. it pays to double read their docs a few times als0
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> you easially overlook things it can do. like the alt-= combo
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> that hides/shows the filtered messages/txt :)
[16:41] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: damn, that's great :D
[16:41] <Dr_Willis> yep  and the 'iset' script is also a must get
[16:43] <kklimonda> now if only I could come up with a way to hook up weechat that is running on my server to the local messaging menu :)
[16:43] <BUGabundo> brb, rebooting
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> kklimonda:  you mean that MeMenbu?
[16:44] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: no - the menu that is hidden behind the envelope icon
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> i find all this sociual stuff to be a total waste. :)
[16:44] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: the only thing I've always missed from irssi and other console based clients was the lack of instant and obvious way of indicating that someone is talking to me
[16:45] <Dr_Willis> You could proberly script somthing rather easially
[16:45] <kklimonda> I'm probably going to hack some python scripts to make it work
[16:45] <Dr_Willis> proberly very easiaslly
[16:45] <Dr_Willis> weechat has some sort of fifo stuff that a program can waatch and see text and do things :)
[16:45] <Dr_Willis> but i dont get into it that much
[16:45] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: the main problem is that weechat is not running on my computer so I have to write some sort of server and client
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> kklimonda:   ssh in, run your whatever tool I guess. :) or somthing
[16:48] <kklimonda> I love that I can have 4 buffers displayed at the same time
[16:50] <penguin42> kklimonda: I use pidgeon these days for that - I've got 3 windows with different chats
[16:50] <kklimonda> pidgin?
[16:50] <penguin42> ahem yes
[16:50] <penguin42> never spells it correctly
[16:51] <kklimonda> penguin42: I've found that (1) mixing irc and im doesn't work for me and (2) pidgin nor empathy doesn't really handle 20+ irc channels.. or it's just me that can't get used to it
[16:51] <penguin42> kklimonda: I guess I can understand (1) - and I only run about 4 channels; heck how do you deal with 20 ?!
[16:52] <Dr_Willis> i just hang in 1 or 2.
[16:54] <kklimonda> penguin42: well, I read really fast ;)
[16:54] <kklimonda> penguin42: and I can ignore most of the conversations
[16:54] <kklimonda> penguin42: also the fact that most of the channels I'm on are really low traffic and have no offtopic does help
[16:58] <penguin42> kklimonda: I keep thinking that an aggregation window for low bandwidth channels would be nice
[16:59] <kklimonda> penguin42: hmm.. good idea :)
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> thats doable in Irssi i know.. and proberly in weechat also
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> ive not seen too much thats not doable in weechat. :) just some times it may take some work
[17:03] <BUGabundo> well that was a FAIL :(
[17:04] <kklimonda> what have you done? :)
[17:05] <BUGabundo> hacked grub2 to boot from iso
[17:05] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /etc/grub.d/50_ubuntu_iso
[17:05] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/394798/
[17:06] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I tried it, but when I run update-grub it errors out
[17:07] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/394806/
[17:07] <kklimonda> mm.. such an explicit error message
[17:07] <BUGabundo> eehh
[17:07] <BUGabundo> darn grub devs
[17:07] <BUGabundo> :p
[17:08] <richthegeek> hey, just did a reboot and the bootloader is starting to get a little better (looks almost graphical now, but still coloured-text based) .. but there is a massively long blank period before my desktop shows up
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> hmm - my firefox menu fonts  look a little.. odd compared to the rest of the gnome menus. anyone else noticed this?
[17:08] <richthegeek> what's the actual status of graphical boot (with screenshots/photos?)
[17:08] <DanaG> argh, tried 2.6.34-rc1 kernel on my netbook... it either panics if I boot with initramfs, or it just sits there doing absolutely nothing (after modemmanager debug spew) if I boot without initramfs.
[17:09] <richthegeek> Dr_Willis: my FF fonts look fine
[17:09] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: They look un-bold, unantialiased - very thin and crisp
[17:09] <richthegeek> Dr_Willis: I'm using Sans with the Dust theme though, and a custom font config
[17:10] <DanaG> If I do the magic-sysrq "show blocked tasks", I see that absolutely NOTHING is running.
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> ive not tweqked the fonts at all. *yet* and they are defainatly different from what the gnome windows are using
[17:10] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I think I agree
[17:11] <richthegeek> if you have it, Segoe UI Semibold 10 looks lovely for menus and the like
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> so its not just my settings then :)
[17:11] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: It's interesting - they ARE antialiased - but differently
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> penguin42:  yea. im making a screen shot now.
[17:11] <kklimonda> hmm.. my laptop is running suspiciously cool
[17:11] <kklimonda> only 46C in idle
[17:11] <kklimonda> on the cpu
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> penguin42:  weird.. In the screen shot.. they LOOK the same...
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> at least when i zoom in
[17:12] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: In mine they don't!
[17:14] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: http://imagebin.org/88730
[17:14] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Firefox is bottom, gnome-terminal is top
[17:15] <DanaG> Gwibber Network Error
[17:15] <DanaG> There was a network error communicating with UNKNOWN
[17:15] <DanaG> unknown?
[17:15] <Dr_Willis_> http://drop.io/kxbpxpq
[17:16] <Dr_Willis>  http://imagebin.org/88730
[17:16] <Dr_Willis_> yours are a lot different it seems
[17:17] <Dr_Willis_> heh 4 people looking at the image i got..
[17:17] <penguin42> try xmag on them
[17:17] <Dr_Willis_> drop.io has a chat feature :)
[17:18] <richthegeek> god I am near weeing myself with excitement ... getting an SSD on Tuesday and the boot time is going to be *insane*
[17:18] <Dr_Willis_> the 2 look the same here in xmag also.. but as i zoom in.. i dont see the diffs
[17:18] <Dr_Willis_> it could be the colors on thebackgroiund
[17:19] <hifi> which packages/settings configure icons like the network-manager applet animated status icon?
[17:19] <Dr_Willis_> the oo's in  the file browser - look rounder/better then in the browser
[17:20] <hifi> I installed xfce and now want the same icons that I had in GNOME
[17:20] <hifi> the new lucid ones
[17:22] <red> Btw I've been wondering for some time now -- why is flash content on linux system very slow vs windows?
[17:22] <red> I have a dual core PC but even the simplest flash games are very choppy and low fps vs windows
[17:22] <Sarvatt> DanaG: I think its busted due to using the karmic config still for the mainline ones, they dont work on any of my machines either
[17:22] <DanaG> hmm, the 64-bit kernel-ppa 34-rc1 kernel works perfectly on my ATI GPU system.
[17:23] <hifi> red: bad implementation from adobe's part
[17:23] <Sarvatt> does it have a bios older than 2008? have you tried booting with pci=nocrs?
[17:24] <Dr_Willis_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/16-things-that-could-be-improved-in.html    Has some neat points i never noticed
[17:24] <richthegeek> should I be using the Nouveau driver?
[17:24] <DanaG> The 64-bit one has a 2010 BIOS.
[17:24] <DanaG> The netbook is also recent.  The panic is somewhere that includes "register_pernet_subsys" in the stack trace.
[17:25] <DanaG> if I boot without initramfs on the thing, then it gets to reach the plymouth bug.
[17:25] <red> hifi: d'oh :(
[17:26] <BUGabundo> ok hacking some more of grub.... maybe ill get this right the 2nd time
[17:27] <jarlath> The volume icon shows mute until I move it. The slider was actually half-way and I have sound. Anybody getting this?
[17:27] <penguin42> yeh I got that today, it's a new implementation and a bit touchy
[17:28] <BUGabundo> is that TORAM option in our grub back again ?
[17:28] <tgpraveen12> jarlath: i too have that
[17:28] <DanaG> hmm, the volume thingy really should show one slider per sound card.
[17:28] <BUGabundo> jarlath: me too
[17:29] <jarlath> penguin42  Cool. I think maybe it's too obvious to report.
[17:29] <jarlath> Thanks BUGabundo
[17:29] <BUGabundo> jarlath: DO report it
[17:30] <jarlath> BUGabundo: I'm sure it's staring the devs in the face... now I know it's not just me that has it.
[17:31] <tgpraveen12> at-spi keep crashing
[17:31] <tgpraveen12> and when iclick report problem i get
[17:31] <tgpraveen12> The problem cannot be reported:
[17:31] <tgpraveen12> The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes.
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> hmmm.. 'shut down' has now changed to 'switch off' in the  top right power button menu it seems :)
[17:31] <richthegeek> how do I get my Sound Indicator (Volume Control) applet back?
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> Night all.. bbl
[17:33] <jemark> night
[17:33] <jarlath> richthegeek: I think there are 2 threads dealing with it in the Lucid dev forum, page 1 ;)
[17:34] <richthegeek> ah, forums ... no-where else will you find such a wretched hive of scum and villainy
[17:34] <yofel> richthegeek: ubuntuforums isn't that bad
[17:35] <richthegeek> I was thinking of b
[17:35] <DanaG> BUGabundo: "TORAM" option?
[17:36] <jarlath> richthegeek: I was just there and noticed those but I didn't read them.
[17:36] <BUGabundo> DanaG: yes, it loads the iso or cdrom content to memory
[17:36] <BUGabundo> freeing the drive, and making it faster
[17:36] <BUGabundo> I know it was lost long agon
[17:36] <DanaG> oh, ToRAM.
[17:36] <DanaG> "TORAM" looks like an acronym.
[17:36] <BUGabundo> and that someone was patching it in lucid
[17:36] <jarlath> yofel: I agree. There are some great people there. Enough to make any trolls un-noticable.
[17:43] <happyface> Why isn't firefox detecting my /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins after upgrading to lynx?
[17:49] <richthegeek> why has the Rhythmbox notification applet changed... I *liked* being able to left click on the button to open RMB and right -click for controls
[17:50] <BUGabundo> here I go for one more reboot
[17:50] <yofel> happyface: which plugin isn't recognized? (and mozilla/plugin is recognized here)
[17:51] <happyface> yofel: flash player
[17:51] <yofel> odd, works fine here
[17:52] <yofel> (flashplugin-installer)
[17:52] <happyface> I'm also using Namoroka
[17:52] <happyface> which might be the problem
[17:52] <Bittarman> happyface, works fine here with Namoroka
[17:52] <yofel> well, lucid uses 3.6 (namoroka) by default, so I doubt that
[17:52] <Bittarman> from moz-daily
[17:52] <happyface> ah
[17:52] <happyface> hmm
[17:52] <yofel> happyface: unless you mean the daily
[17:52] <yofel> ah
[17:53] <richthegeek> wb
[17:54] <BUGabundo> IT WORKS, IIITTT WOOOORRRKKKSSSSS.... blog post coming up! #grub2 hacking to boot from ISO
[17:55] <Bittarman> someones happy
[17:55] <richthegeek> ok, calm down Dr Jekyll
[17:55] <happyface> yea chrome doesn't detect flash player either
[17:55] <BUGabundo> happyface: $ sudo updatedb ; mlocate liblashp | pastebinit
[17:56] <happyface> BUGabundo: I was using 10.1 beta 3
[17:56] <Bittarman> happyface, your gonna hate me.. chrome is fine for me with flash plugin.. as is opera
[17:56] <happyface> I fixed it by reinstalling flash
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Good morning, good afternoon, or good evening
[17:56] <BUGabundo> happyface: $ sudo updatedb ; mlocate liblashp | pastebinit
[17:56] <happyface> but the beta is beter, I'm curious why it wasn't detecting it
[17:56] <BUGabundo> please run that
[17:57] <happyface> BUGabundo: for what?
[17:57] <happyface> it returns nothing
[17:58] <BUGabundo> do you have pastebinit ?
[17:58] <happyface> yes
[17:58] <BUGabundo> should provide a link
[17:58] <happyface> there is no stdout
[17:58] <happyface> from mlocate
[17:58] <BUGabundo> $ mlocate libflashp
[17:58] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[17:59] <happyface> dave@dave-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo updatedb ; mlocate liblashp | pastebinit
[17:59] <happyface> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[17:59] <Bittarman> note the missing F
[17:59] <happyface> haha
[18:00] <happyface> http://pastebin.com/AWJSUmp9
[18:00] <tgpraveen12> udisks and parted is listed but not allowed thru update manager for quite few days for me now
[18:00] <tgpraveen12> anyone else in the same boat?
[18:00] <charlie-tca> tgpraveen12: yup
[18:01] <Unksi> tgpraveen12: yep
[18:01] <tgpraveen12> k. good to know i am not alone
[18:02] <tgpraveen12> charlie-tca: any idea why that might be happening
[18:02] <happyface> BUGabundo: maybe I had to update nspwrapper
[18:02] <charlie-tca> Dependencies aren't satisfied yet?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> We are still seeing 100+ changes a day to lucid.
[18:03] <yofel> tgpraveen12: udisks replaces devicekit-disks which needs to be removed to update
[18:03] <yofel> iirc
[18:04] <tgpraveen12> yofel: but that will eventually happen on its own right i mean without my intervention?
[18:04] <yofel> tgpraveen12: no idea, I haven't used update-manager in ages
[18:05] <Adys> I'm trying to boot on KDE; kdm starts fine, I choose KDE session, it shows splash for like 3 seconds and then "crashes" and goes back to kdm login. any idea?
[18:05] <richthegeek> just created a new user to test out the indicator applet, and it plain old just doesn't work... wth is going on with all that social poop?
[18:06] <Adys> This is after recent kernel + plymouth update
[18:07] <Adys> (tried starting on a fresh ~/.kde)
[18:14] <tamran> ok, the upgrade took a while, so I went to sleep
[18:14] <tamran> about to reboot now
[18:14] <tamran> I'll report back of the upgrade of Kubuntu worked
[18:21] <Tscheesy> is there a way to see the disk-check - Status /progress during startup?
[18:23] <tamran> well, upgrading Kubuntu from 9.10 to Lucid alpha3 with only three snags
[18:23] <penguin42> Tscheesy: It should show it you if it has decided to do it
[18:23] <Tscheesy> hmm - somehowe freezed
[18:23] <tamran> but it all worked quite easily, although it took a while
[18:24] <penguin42> tamran: What were the snags out of interest?
[18:25] <Tscheesy> only Button accepted was the Off-Key :D
[18:26] <tamran> I'm about to reply to the forum posting here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8910694
[18:26] <knittl> will hover-states ever come back to the notification area?
[18:27] <knittl> i really miss it :-/
[18:27] <tamran> penguin42: 1. kdelibs5 kicked out of the dist-upgrage process ... fixed with "apt-get install -f"
[18:28] <tamran> penguin42: 2. the application upgrade "parted" was blocked, was fixed with a command line "apt-get install parted"
[18:28] <penguin42> yeh I had to do the parted one last night when I did my weekly update
[18:29] <tamran> penguin42: 3. the first reboot didn't hang, but it just sat there on the flash screen.  Pressing power button (this is a laptop) sent a shutdown command and it shut down nicely.  Now after restarting it's up and running
[18:29] <penguin42> oh that's an odd one
[18:30] <tamran> penguin42: I think #3 is that new splash thing, plymouth?
[18:30] <penguin42> yeh plymouth is the splash thing
[18:30] <tamran> related to bug 583292 probably
[18:30] <tamran> err, bug 538292
[18:30] <tamran> thanks ubottu
[18:31] <tamran> or should I say: Domo Arigato, Mr. Ubottu
[18:31] <ZykoticK9> tamran, i hear it's actually Mrs. Ubottu
[18:32] <tamran> what is nepomuk?
[18:32] <tamran> hehe
[18:32] <guntbert> !gender | tamran
[18:32] <tamran> please tell me you get the reference
[18:33] <tamran> so, upon boot, I'm only using 270mb of ram!! and this is Kubuntu 10.04 with KDE 4.4
[18:33] <tamran> that's most impressive ... Gnome was 450mb
[18:34] <tamran> with Ubuntu that is
[18:35] <rsk> tamran there's wm's that use way less than that
[18:35] <rsk> only a few megabytes or even less
[18:39] <tamran> rsk: Not on Ubuntu they don't :)
[18:41] <BUGabundo> $ sudo ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[18:52] <penguin42> anyone know about debugging upstart scripts? I've got an entry which is listed in initctl list but when I try and start it it says unable to execute: No such file or directory
[18:52] <crimsun> BUGabundo: or use -preempt
[18:53] <crimsun> penguin42: what script? how are you invoking it?
[18:53] <Damascene> hello did any one see the bug where you do lshw in the tty then the screen gets green :)
[18:53] <BUGabundo> crimsun: ??
[18:53] <penguin42> crimsun: I'm doing start libvirt-bin
[18:53] <penguin42> crimsun: Given that initctl list has an entry    libvirt-bin stop/waiting
[18:53] <crimsun> BUGabundo: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-16-preempt, assuming you're on amd64
[18:54] <yuriy> hi all, i've upgraded my plymouth, but I still can't quite boot -- it hangs on the splash screen
[18:54] <crimsun> yuriy: dpkg -l plymouth mountall
[18:54] <yuriy> looks like it fully booted, I can ssh in and all, but just doesn't switch to KDM and I can't switch to a VT
[18:54] <BUGabundo> crimsun: for ?
[18:55] <crimsun> BUGabundo: are you referring to zsync and ionice?
[18:55] <yuriy> crimsun: 0.8.0~-14 and 2.8
[18:55] <BUGabundo> crimsun: you have me at a lost :S
[18:55] <bjsnider> loss
[18:55] <BUGabundo> I'm just running my usual regular local isos update
[18:55] <crimsun> yuriy: if you boot with nomodeset (or whatever the parameter is), can you reproduce the symptom?
[18:56] <bjsnider> some guy was in here last night claiming he had a pro sound card that didn't work with pulse but did work with alsa
[18:56] <Damascene> #527369
[18:56] <BUGabundo> thanks bjsnider
[18:56] <Damascene> bug 527369
[18:57] <DanaG> crimsun: in 2.6.34-rc1: "ALSA: usbaudio: introduce new types for audio class v2"
[18:57] <yuriy> crimsun: i'll give that a try
[18:57] <DanaG> Say, do you know of any actual BUYABLE "usb audio class v2" devices?
[18:57] <yuriy> crimsun: works beautifully
[18:58] <yuriy> no need for a splash screen either - daaamn that was fast!
[18:58] <DanaG> that new c-media chip seems ( cm6620 ) seems to be vaporware.
[18:58] <yuriy> crimsun: thanks. do you know what/who to bug about this?
[18:59] <penguin42> crimsun: Hmm so libvirt-bin had got itself uninstalled - but I guess someone didn't tell upstart ?
[19:03] <crimsun> yuriy: I'm pretty certain it's an existing plymouth bug, but I haven't triaged plymouth in a couple months
[19:04] <crimsun> DanaG: you need yesterday's alsa-driver snapshot (stable) at least
[19:04] <crimsun> 2.6.34-rc1's v2.0 support is still incomplete
[19:04] <DanaG> I'm actually using kernel-ppa mainline.
[19:04] <DanaG> Actually, my question was the other way around:
[19:04] <yuriy> crimsun: i didn't have this problem before the upgrade though, but i'll check
[19:04] <DanaG> Now that we have the software support... where can I get an actual device of that sort?
[19:04] <crimsun> newegg, back of a truck, etc.
[19:05] <DanaG> what does USB class 2.0 give, anyway?
[19:05] <jastor> is firefox 3.6 being put in the repo with lucid?
[19:05] <crimsun> again, you need a daily snap of alsa-driver stable
[19:05] <crimsun> jastor: it has been in the repo for ages
[19:05] <jastor> crimsun: hmm ..
[19:05] <crimsun> DanaG: nothing consequential to the end user
[19:05] <jastor> crimsun: i got borth karmic and lucid .. it says 3.5 :/ .. strange
[19:05] <DanaG> ah.
[19:06] <DanaG> I was thinking of something like this:
[19:06] <DanaG> http://www.cmedia.com.tw/ProductsDetail.aspx?C1Serno=2&C2Serno=2&C3Serno=6&PSerno=26
[19:06] <jastor> only repo i found that had it was ppa ;)
[19:06] <DanaG> Higher sample rates and bit depths.
[19:06] <richthegeek> how do I search the package list from the command line?
[19:06] <jastor> richthegeek: apt-cache search whatever
[19:06] <knittl> apt-cache search
[19:06] <richthegeek> sorry, should probs have asked that in #ubuntu
[19:06] <knittl> or aptitude search
[19:07] <jastor> tasksel ,) / and search :)
[19:08] <yuriy> crimsun: wow all of 17 bugs for plymouth, some good triaging work there, but not my bug
[19:08] <Chipaca> hi. I'm on Lucid on amd64 with intel gm45 integrated video, and something is broken: both suspend and closing the laptop lid freezes the computer solid
[19:09] <jastor> i havent used tasksel in a while .. but have they added that you can add repos in tasksel without "tabbing out to another terminal and add them"?
[19:09] <candyban> Is there good (and short) information about all the cloud services (I don't want the marketing pages, but just brief technical details what each module does) ... and is there a free (as in beer) alternative to landscape?
[19:09] <DanaG> http://www.diyhifi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1635&start=0
[19:12] <DanaG> http://www.hitechreview.com/it-products/via-vinyl-envy-usb-2-0-audio-controller/21287/
[19:12] <DanaG> ooh, looks nifty.
[19:15] <tamran> here's the steps that I had to use to upgrade Kubuntu 9.10 to 10.04, Alhpa 3: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8961374#post8961374
[19:16] <tamran> it all worked alright so far
[19:16] <ZykoticK9> tamran, glad it worked for ya!
[19:16] <tamran> yeah, without a hitch really
[19:17] <richthegeek> is there any reason I shouldn't reboot atm?
[19:17] <crimsun> do you *need* to reboot?
[19:17] <richthegeek> well i'd like to play some BF:BC2
[19:17] <tamran> only a couple snags actually
[19:17] <tamran> but simple fixes
[19:18] <richthegeek> so is there a known issue that would make my buntu not boot up again
[19:18] <crimsun> yes, your computer could explode
[19:18] <richthegeek> OHNOE!
[19:18] <DanaG> hmm, check your versions of Plymouth and Mountall.
[19:19] <tamran> I had a funny issue when rebooting after upgrading, but one more reboot and here I am
[19:19] <richthegeek> 0.80~-14
[19:19] <richthegeek> 2.8
[19:19] <jpds> richthegeek: You should be find.
[19:19] <jpds> fine*
[19:19] <richthegeek> k
[19:28] <tamran> what /join #kubuntu
[19:29] <David_F> Hello everybody. I had the plymouth problem and I could fixed, but when I restart again the boot crash and show this mjs: "unable to acces /devices/pci000... usb/3-1../input6/mouse1". How fix this?
[19:31] <yofel> tamran: read http://nepomuk.kde.org/
[19:32] <tamran> yofel: it seems to be some kind of indexing service?
[19:32] <yofel> tamran: file indexing is part of it (called strigi, doesn't really work for me, I disabled it in the settings)
[19:33] <tamran> uggg, file indexing == hard drive resource HELL
[19:33] <yofel> tamran: yep, go to the nepomuk settings and disable strigi file indexing
[19:33] <tamran> type find / | grep "what you're searching for" and wait 3 seconds ... why does one need indexign
[19:34] <tamran> thanks yofel
[19:37]  * yofel goes building a VM for some hardy->lucid upgrade testing
[19:40] <tamran> yofel: you going to try the Kubuntu upgrade?
[19:40] <yofel> tamran: kubuntu and ubuntu
[19:41] <yofel> I did some karmic -> lucid upgrade tests yesterday which went fine except for one kdebase-workspace/kdebase-runtime overwrite error
[19:41] <tamran> yofel: if it works, can you reply to that post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8961374
[19:41] <tamran> yofel: I got the same issue, I documented how I solved it in that forum post
[19:42] <tamran> I'm quite interested in the hardy -> lucid update ... that definitely should be tested
[19:44] <candyban> Why is PermitRootLogin set to "yes" by default in sshd_config ?
[19:45] <yofel> candyban: does it matter? root doesn't have a password by default so the login should fail (or does that actually work for ssh?)
[19:45] <guntbert> candyban: should not matter as root has no password - and with keys its handy
[19:46] <candyban> yofel, guntbert: then why not make it by default "no" or without-password ?
[19:46] <candyban> the setting just doesn't make sense to me
[19:47] <guntbert> candyban: agreed
[19:48] <yofel> candyban: you could file a bug against the openssh-server package I guess so someone looks at it
[19:49] <yofel> tamran: yes, that's how I upgraded my VM too (forum), I pretty much just tried to run the upgrade again in aptitude which fixed it too
[19:50] <tamran> yofel: someone just told me to try "do-release-upgrade" instead next time
[19:50] <tamran> not sure how that will differ the process, but appears to work
[19:50] <yofel> tamran: ah, yes, that's the terminal  command I couldn't remember yesterday that should be used for sever upgrades :D
[19:51] <tamran> I asked last night and nobody had a clue about that ... wish I'd have known
[19:51] <tamran> yofel: do you know what it does differently?
[19:52] <yofel> tamran: I think it's pretty much a cli version of update-manager, it disables ppas and stuff before it tried to upgrade and cleans up afterwards
[19:52] <tamran> yofel: will it break my system if I do it now?
[19:53] <yofel> no idea, but I don't thiink it will do anything if you've already upgraded