[12:10] <Admiral_Chicago> hold on
[12:10] <DjStiky> ok
[12:10] <PeqNP> quit
[12:11] <Admiral_Chicago> DjStiky, hmm, i have no idea
[12:12] <Admiral_Chicago> ask again in a sec, someone else may be able to help you
[12:12] <Hawkwind> DjStiky: You enter the password you created during initial install
[12:12] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, thats not working
[12:12] <DjStiky> Hawkwind, that doesnt work
[12:12] <Hawkwind> DjStiky: Really ?
[12:12] <Hawkwind> DjStiky: Try this:  sudo passwd   or sudo passwd su
[12:12] <Hawkwind> DjStiky: Create a password for a traditional root account
[12:12] <JohnFlux> !paste
[12:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:13] <DjStiky> ok... I'll give it a shot.
[12:13] <DjStiky> gotta reboot. lol
[12:13] <DjStiky> thanks
[12:13] <Hawkwind> If it still doesn't work, he can always su -  and then run systemsettings from there possibly
[12:17] <osh_> Perhaps a weird question, but is there some way to change the cpu-governors through the command-line? I'd like the computer to slow down a bit certain hours of the day.
[12:22] <menace_> is there a program like limewire for linux?
[12:23] <jmichaelx> menace_: frostwire
[12:23] <menace_> i checked for that...its not in adept
[12:23] <marey> hi, does anyone knows cupsd web admin password?
[12:23] <jmichaelx> menace_: you need to modify your sources.list.... there is a repo that contains it
[12:23] <marey> i tried root
[12:23] <marey> but doesnt work
[12:23] <osh_> menace_: mldonkey; amule; xmule? Not limewire though.
[12:24] <lupine_85> marey: cups:cups? cupsd:cupsd?
[12:24] <menace_> where could i get the repo michael?
[12:24] <lupine_85> ah, cupsys:x:100:106::/home/cupsys:/bin/false
[12:24] <lotusleaf> I have a floppy drive but no line for the floppy in fstab, is this why hald storage keeps jumping around every few seconds without end?
[12:24] <lupine_85> so presumably cupsys:cupsys
[12:24] <jmichaelx> marey: try 'admin'.... i am not sure about that, but seems like it worked for me
[12:25] <marey> jmichaelx: i tried 'admin' but doesnt works
[12:25] <marey> I'm really startin' to despair
[12:25] <osh_> I think the web-interface for cups is disabled. It was when I tried it some year ago or so.
[12:25] <jmichaelx> menace_: try editing your /etc/apt/sources.list and uncommenting all of the commented repos
[12:26] <alex___> has anyone installed vista through vmware?
[12:26] <lupine_85> alex___: tried and failed
[12:26] <lupine_85> osh_: the web interface is up here
[12:26] <marey> does anyone knows how to set up a lexmark z53 printer
[12:26] <alex___> did u get it installed a different way?
[12:27] <osh_> lupine_85: right. it was a while ago that i tried. bloody annoying. had to jump through a lot of hoops to get it to work. =(
[12:27] <osh_> lupine_85: good thing it works now then.
[12:27] <lupine_85> hehe
[12:27] <lupine_85> alex___: no
[12:27] <lupine_85> simply put, it was a miserable failure
[12:28] <menace_> jmichaelx: how do i uncomment all the commented repos?...sorry..im new to linux
[12:28] <alex___> i think i'm headed in that direction
[12:30] <jmichaelx> menace_: open a terminal and type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list", enter your password, and when it comes up, go through and remove all of the '#' symbols in from of each repo line. when you are done, click control-x and then select yes
[12:30] <sseleman> how do I save  my "X Window configuration file"
[12:30] <menace_> ok thank you very much
[12:30] <jmichaelx> menace_: be sure not to modify anything else.... just remove the pound symbols
[12:31] <menace_> is it ok that the words are moved a little?
[12:32] <Kr4t05_> Stupid Microsoft product activation. ><
[12:32] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, what if the # symbol precedes like this # Automatically generated sources.list
[12:32] <menace_> ok all the # symbols are gone
[12:32] <Xcalibur> yo, I have a Cannon IP6000, and I can't get it to work in my PC?
[12:32] <jmichaelx> i don't think that matters... although i hope you know not to remove the pound symbols around the descriptions... just the repo lines
[12:33] <BluesKaj> err looks like this: # Automatically generated sources.list
[12:33] <Xcalibur> how do I get the printer to work
[12:33] <Xcalibur> ?
[12:33] <menace_> is frostwire now in adept or what?
[12:33] <Hawkwind> Xcalibur: Try setting it up in systemsettings and use CUPS
[12:34] <Hawkwind> !info frostwire
[12:34] <ubotu> Package frostwire does not exist in any distro I know
[12:34] <jmichaelx> menace_: in your terminal, type "sudo apt-get update"
[12:34] <Hawkwind> menace_: Nope
[12:34] <menace_> update : done
[12:34] <jmichaelx> Hawkwind: is it not in one of the normal repos?
[12:34] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: Nope or else ubotu would have info about it
[12:34] <Hawkwind> !frostwire
[12:34] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[12:34] <jmichaelx> ahhh
[12:34] <Xcalibur> what would be the URL to it
[12:35] <Xcalibur> ?
[12:35] <Hawkwind> You can compile it there, but I wouldn't waste my time on p2p apps
[12:35] <Hawkwind> Xcalibur: URL to what ?
[12:35] <Hawkwind> Xcalibur: If you mean CUPS, http://localhost:631
[12:35] <BluesKaj> WTF ? : NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[12:35] <jmichaelx> menace_: well, you needed to uncomment those lines anyways....
[12:35] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Just import it
[12:36] <jmichaelx> menace_: i know one way you could get frostwire, but some in here may shoot me if i tell you how lol
[12:36] <BluesKaj> do I get rid of the Keys that don't work ?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> import, How?
[12:36] <Xcalibur> to the USB printer, it won't let me select USB from the printer type select?
[12:37] <sseleman> how do I save  my "X Window configuration file"?
[12:37] <Hawkwind> sseleman: Are you editing your xorg.conf ?
[12:37] <alex___> lupine_85 where did u fail?
[12:37] <menace_> micheal,,,it says my pm to you is blocked
[12:37] <Xcalibur> ok, it's a IP6000
[12:37] <sseleman> I just updated my ati video card drivers
[12:38] <sseleman> and it told me to save them
[12:38] <Xcalibur> it doesn't have the driver in the list?
[12:38] <Hawkwind> sseleman: I'm not following exactly what you are asking
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, import the keys,  How?
[12:38] <Hawkwind> menace_: You need to register your nick or he needs to register his
[12:38] <menace_> i need to register
[12:38] <Xcalibur> the only printer driver for it is iP4000
[12:38] <lupine_85> alex___: right after clicking "install"
[12:39] <menace_> yes i still get them jmichealx
[12:39] <sseleman> hawkwind: it just says to "save your X Window configuration file" and I'm not sure what that entails
[12:39] <Hawkwind> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 40976EAF437D05B5 && gpg --export --armor 40976EAF437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[12:39] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: ^^^^^
[12:39] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Try that, should work
[12:39] <menace_> jmichealx...why?
[12:39] <Hawkwind> sseleman: Are you editing the file ?
[12:40] <Hawkwind> sseleman: If so, that's the only way you can save it is if you've made changes
[12:40] <menace_> and im running kubuntu..not ubuntu
[12:40] <Przemcio78> is there a beta of adobe flashplayer9 for linux already ?
[12:40] <sseleman> I believe it has been edited
[12:40] <Hawkwind> Przemcio78: No
[12:40] <sseleman> I just need to know how to reach it
[12:40] <Hawkwind> Przemcio78: No new flash for Linux until after the first of the year
[12:40] <Hawkwind> sseleman: It's located in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:40] <sseleman> sweet
[12:41] <sseleman> thanks
[12:41] <Kr4t05_> OMG
[12:41] <Kr4t05_> VMware > The world
[12:41] <Hawkwind> sseleman: If it's not open or anything, then it probably doesn't need to be saved
[12:41] <Przemcio78> Hawkwind: you mean official release i mean beta
[12:41] <alex___> lupline_85 what happened when u tried to install?
[12:41] <menace_> whats the worst that could happen with this new program jmicheal?
[12:41] <Hawkwind> Przemcio78: No, no version at all until after the first of the year for Linux
[12:41] <Hawkwind> Przemcio78: We won't even see a beta.  We'll get the first release for Linux after the first of the year and it will be flash 9 final
[12:42] <Xcalibur> somone plaz give me an alternate driver to select, thats like universal or something?
[12:42] <Hawkwind> Xcalibur: Have you googled for your printer at all ?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> thx  Hawkwind, it did work for one kEY :)
[12:42] <Hawkwind> Xcalibur: I know nothing about that brand so I can't offer anymore assistance than that unfortunately
[12:42] <Przemcio78> but they promised public beta :(
[12:42] <Kr4t05_> Hah! Thanks to VMware, I can permanantly kiss my windows partition good bye. :>
[12:42] <Xcalibur> no, but I have the driver on the CD, but it says invalid driver
[12:42] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Just replace the key number(s) you want to import then
[12:43] <Hawkwind> Przemcio78: Who did ?
[12:43] <Hawkwind> Przemcio78: I know a couple of the developers and they have said no such thing
[12:43] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:43] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05_: You are just now discovering vmware :P
[12:43] <jmichaelx> i need to lean about VMware, too
[12:43] <Hawkwind> Xcalibur: Linuxprinting.org IIRC.  Check there
[12:43] <Hawkwind> jmichaelx: It's very simple actually
[12:43] <Hawkwind> !vmware
[12:43] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[12:44] <jmichaelx> and you can run windows without a Win partition?
[12:44] <Kr4t05_> Hawkwind: I've been toying with it the past two days. I just successfully got virtual-Windows to detect and access my webcam. ^.^V
[12:45] <Przemcio78> Hawkwind: did they tell you anything about shockwave player/ is a linux version planned at all?
[12:46] <jimy> ayuda
[12:46] <jimy> algun canal con gente de Kubuntu???
[12:47] <renatim> I need some help with grub!!!!
[12:47] <Hawkwind> Przemcio78: AFAIK we will never see shockwave
[12:47] <menace_> jmicheal...i cant figure out the auth key part
[12:47] <jmichaelx> i read a blog somewhere where one of the flash developers talked about all of this. no mention was made of shockwave
[12:47] <Hawkwind> Kr4t05_: I've been running vmware for a while now.  Got several distros installed and about to install SuSe 10.1 with KDE 3.5.4
[12:47] <jimy> mmmm, i can selected lenguage?
[12:48] <Kr4t05_> Hawkwind: if I have any further success, I'll sneak DSL into my school and use VMPlayer to run it. :P
[12:48] <NthDegree> Hawkwind, do you want to run a distro inside a distro or ya just wanna try out tons of distros?
[12:48] <Przemcio78> Hawkwind; never say never :P
[12:49] <Hawkwind> Przemcio78: I did say, AFAIK
[12:49] <jmichaelx> i am using DSL-N right now... i love DSL lol
[12:49] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: I run a distro inside my distro.  Just for fun really nothing too serious
[12:49] <NthDegree> because a loopback disk can act as another partition and you get raw hardware to run it on :)
[12:49] <Przemcio78> Hawkwind: i know what you mean
[12:49] <menace_> jmichealx: after is says continue [Y/N]  i enter Y...but it immediately says abort
[12:50] <jmichaelx> menace_: in  that case, i do not know what to tell you. i never experienced that
[12:50] <akarticle> can anyone tell me how to format a ntfs hard drive and make it a linux (ext3?) hard drive
[12:50] <lupine_85> akarticle: mkfs.<fs-type> <devicefile>
[12:51] <lupine_85> erm, sudo obviously
[12:51] <NthDegree> akarticle: if you installed ubuntu you then have an ext3 hard druve
[12:51] <akarticle> ok i'll try
[12:51] <lupine_85> make sure it isn't mounted!
[12:51] <akarticle> ok
[12:51] <NthDegree> lupine_85: that doesn't matter if you force it methinks
[12:51] <lupine_85> oh, and you might need to change the fs type in fdisk as well
[12:51] <jmichaelx> menace_: you might want to visit the automatix iirc room... i think it is just #automatix but i am not sure
[12:51] <lupine_85> might as well not get in the habit though :)
[12:52] <menace_> im working on getting automatix micheal
[12:52] <menace_> its running an autoscript
[12:53] <jmichaelx> menace_: yo may be good to go , as long as you got that key
[12:53] <akarticle> hum...keep in mind i a am a newbie...the hard drive is unmounted and it is called hdb1, can you tell me exactly what to type in?
[12:53] <menace_> MUAHAHAHAHAH i got it
[12:53] <menace_> thankjs micheal
[12:53] <jmichaelx> yw
[12:53] <NthDegree> akarticle: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
[12:53] <akarticle> ok...wait a sec
[12:53] <alex___> luping_85 got vista working through vmware, well it seems to be working, its in the install process
[12:54] <lupine_85> hmm. which beta?
[12:54] <NthDegree> or rather:          sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
[12:54] <jmichaelx> menace_: i give you NO guarantees... you do this at your own risk. that being said, however, i have used it on 5 PCs over the last 4 or 5 months without issue
[12:54] <lupine_85> (not that it matters - I just wiped that virtual PC for an edgy install!)
[12:55] <jmichaelx> you guys have got me really fired up about VMware , lol
[12:55] <ubuntu> hi all... testing kubuntu by LiveCD.....
[12:55] <NthDegree> VMWare destroyed my kubuntu install
[12:55] <alex___> rc1
[12:55] <jmichaelx> NthDegree: yikes
[12:55] <akarticle> nthdegree: i have done as you said but when i type fdisk -l it still says the hd is a ntfs file system
[12:55] <NthDegree> it put a load of crap everywhere during install
[12:56] <NthDegree> akarticle: that is because the partition type is NTFS
[12:56] <lupine_85> akarticle: sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[12:56] <lupine_85> then t <return> partion number <return> 82
[12:56] <NthDegree> akarticle:  you need to change the number to 82 or something
[12:56] <lupine_85> erm s/parititon number/1
[12:56] <lupine_85> w to write and exit
[12:57] <ubuntu> do you know, how i can install some pkg for function keys on my Vaio_
[12:57] <lupine_85> pretty safe to do while other partitions on /dev/hdb are mounted (Assuming there are any)
[12:57] <jmichaelx> NthDegree: do you think you are looking at a re-install?
[12:57] <NthDegree> jmichaelx: basically
[12:57] <akarticle> ok its working now, thanks
[12:57] <NthDegree> and all my media is old and borked
[12:57] <lupine_85> np :)
[12:58] <lupine_85> NthDegree: really?
[12:58] <bubu1uk> ubuntu: i got vaio and never met any pkg that would do that thing. in linux i mean
[12:58] <NthDegree> yeah
[12:58] <lupine_85> it runs fine here
[12:58] <NthDegree> the y
[12:58] <NthDegree> VMWare*
[12:58] <menace_> whats this java install stuff popping up micheal?
[12:58] <lupine_85> what did it do, exactly? and what version did you install?
[12:58] <NthDegree> I installed the latest player
[12:58] <NthDegree> I ran the installer by putting perl ./vmware-install.pl
[12:59] <ubuntu> MMMMMm i heard about some sony acpi.... do konw something about it_
[12:59] <NthDegree> which is normal for a partition with noexec enabled
[12:59] <jmichaelx> menace_: i have no idea what you are installing, but you may need to enter yes in a few places when java is being installed
[12:59] <menace_> wtf automatix just installed java 5.0
[12:59] <lupine_85> lol
[12:59] <NthDegree> then it proceeded and failed at the vmware-config.pl bit
[12:59] <bubu1uk> ubuntu: yup, sony-py i think it's called but it is as acpi, power management
[12:59] <menace_> java 5.0 web start
[12:59] <lupine_85> mmm, that sounds about right - because of the noexec, right?
[12:59] <NthDegree> and after that the uninstaller wouldn't work
[01:00] <NthDegree> the installer said a product was already installed
[01:00] <jmichaelx> menace_: you must have been installing something that needed java.... in fat, i think frostwire relies on java
[01:00] <lupine_85> can't you run the vmware-config.pl manually, then try to uninstall?
[01:00] <NthDegree> the vmware-config.pl is fine
[01:00] <ubuntu> eheheheheh ok ok... how you can see i am the NEWBEST in the chanel
[01:00] <jmichaelx> fact*
[01:00] <NthDegree> it was the /etc/init.d/vmware file which is screwed up
[01:00] <lupine_85> hehe
[01:00] <lupine_85> sounds good
[01:01] <hussam> does anyone know a frontend to pppoe for dialing dsl/pppoe connections?
[01:01] <lupine_85> System Settings->Network ?
[01:01] <hussam> I'm looking or something similar to SUSE's kinternet
[01:01] <jmichaelx> i have VMware installed on a mepis box i have (yes, i used automatix), but have never used it
[01:01] <bubu1uk> ubuntu: never mind. everyone is newbie in beginning.
[01:01] <hussam> lupine_85, that only configures eth0
[01:01] <lupine_85> really?!
[01:02] <lupine_85> that's a bit silly
[01:02] <BluesKaj> dsl doesn't dial a connection
[01:02] <menace_> <3 automatix
[01:02] <menace_> i have yahoo dsl....its super fast
[01:02] <hussam> BluesKaj, no dsl , ppp over ethernal
[01:02] <menace_> my parents wireless connection is getting like 60mbps
[01:02] <ubuntu> Only one question Suse 10.1 vs. Kubuntu Dapper.... who is the best... i am chosing my distro
[01:02] <lupine_85> Kubuntu, definitely
[01:03] <menace_> really?
[01:03] <lupine_85> SuSE 10.1 looks a bit more polished, but is slower and less secure
[01:03] <bubu1uk> ubuntu: it's ur choice definitely, ur taste
[01:03] <menace_> ah
[01:03] <lupine_85> and the package management system is useless
[01:03] <BluesKaj> the dsl modem should be the first thing to look at , hussam
[01:03] <lupine_85> but, yes, it's ubuntu's choice :)
[01:03] <menace_> whats the dif between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[01:03] <bubu1uk> lupine_85: less secure?
[01:03] <lupine_85> gnome or kde
[01:03] <cLuEdArT> yuck, i hate yast
[01:03] <hussam> lupine_85, ubuntu, suse 10.1 is really broken atm
[01:03] <lupine_85> what else can you call a distro that installs and activates sshd by default?
[01:03] <lupine_85> one has to wonder what else it's doing behind your back
[01:04] <lupine_85> it even punches a hole in the firewall for it...
[01:04] <hussam> BluesKaj, I don't have a modem, I just dial a pppoe over the ethernal card. I do 'pon dsl-provider' from konsole
[01:04] <cLuEdArT> the distro flamewars will go on forever...
[01:04] <ubuntu> lupine_85 in italy we say ..."YOU ARE A WOLF"
[01:04] <BluesKaj> Yast is broken most of the time , that's why i gace up on suse
[01:04] <Mortice> lupine_85: one could check such things with netstat...
[01:04] <Mortice> but SuSE 10.1 is definitely b0rked in many ways
[01:04] <lupine_85> indeed (that's how I found it!), but the average user won't
[01:04] <hussam> lupine_85, ubuntu, suse 10.1's package manager is broken. I'd wait fro 10.2
[01:04] <jmichaelx> has anyone in here played with mepis? i would have no reason why it might be, but i have 2 identical systems... one with kubuntu, and one with mepis, and the mepis box seems much more responsive and quick. the only difference between the two is that the kubuntu box has an ethernet connection and the mepis is wireless
[01:05] <lupine_85> the average user will also choose something really stupid for their password, then end up being hax0red on a random port scan
[01:05] <BluesKaj> dhcp from the ethernet card
[01:05] <renatim> do I need a firmware to install adsl connection in my pc?
[01:05] <BluesKaj> if you can
[01:05] <lupine_85> renatim: probably not
[01:05] <renatim> I have kubuntu 5.10
[01:05] <lupine_85> do you mean an ADSL PCI card?
[01:05] <renatim> [lupine_85]  thanx!!!
[01:05] <lupine_85> (if you do, get Sangoma)
[01:06] <renatim> no... I have normal adsl modem.... no usb or card
[01:06] <lupine_85> the main problem I have with SuSE, is that it doesn't *tell* you what it's doing
[01:06] <lupine_85> it also doesn't give you any options to change it
[01:06] <hussam> suse 10.0 was there last good release
[01:07] <Mortice> lupine_85: the average user doesn't want (or generally need) to know, and anyone who knows their way around can work it out
[01:07] <obf213> how do you comment out something, you use "./ at begenning or is /. at beggining
[01:07] <lupine_85> Mortice: why would the average user need sshd installed and activated? Surely the users who do need it can install it themselves...?
[01:07] <lupine_85> obf213: bash comment is #
[01:07] <obf213> o
[01:07] <NthDegree> Mortice, it has a firewall (unnecessary)
[01:08] <lupine_85> SuSE made some really bad choices in this distro IMO
[01:08] <NthDegree> ubuntu has the right idea
[01:08] <NthDegree> no server daemons and no firewall
[01:08] <renatim> so all I have to do is type pppoeconf? ou do I still have to create tha pap-secrets and chap-secrets?
[01:08] <Mortice> lupine_85: that's certainly an issue, but that doesn't fall under "it doesn't tell you what it's doing". Would the average user know what to do if told about it?
[01:08] <swamptu> how do i login as root in konsole?
[01:08] <hussam> lupine_85, they's killing it by turning it into a gnome distro.
[01:08] <lupine_85> Mortice: probably not
[01:09] <bubu1uk> arent we in kubuntu channel? obviously all will mostly support ubuntu. go to suse and it will be other way round
[01:09] <NthDegree> swamptu: simple, sudo -i
[01:09] <lupine_85> but something like that should not be activated by default
[01:09] <bubu1uk> (not that i support suse)
[01:09] <renatim> so all I have to do is type pppoeconf? ou do I still have to create tha pap-secrets and chap-secrets?
[01:09] <Mortice> and actually, to be fair, it's right there on the installation menus
[01:09] <hussam> renatim, I simply did sudo pppoeconf
[01:09] <lupine_85> and yes, this is a slightly biased audience :)
[01:09] <lupine_85> and I was looking pretty closely
[01:09] <Mortice> first line of software configuration, IIRC, "SSH is enabled, firewall port is open"
[01:10] <Mortice> that's in SuSE 10.0, I can't remember what it says in 10.1
[01:10] <NthDegree> 10.1 is just as screwed
[01:10] <NthDegree> i tried it
[01:10] <lupine_85> I don't remember seeing anything like that in 10.1
[01:10] <NthDegree> yast didnt work for 1st few months
[01:10] <swamptu> NthDegree: thx
[01:10] <hussam> I tried it too, NthDegree.
[01:10] <lupine_85> the updater still didn't work when I left
[01:10] <Mortice> package management in 10.1 particularly, but in SuSE distros generally, is appalling
[01:11] <lupine_85> used to be good
[01:11] <NthDegree> Mortice: wait for Novell to screw up smart xD
[01:11] <bubu1uk> to be honest with u all, i tried suse and wasnt unhappy with it (it only diff distro made me happier. lol)
[01:11] <Mortice> but I still think 10.0 is an OK(-ish) distribution for certain applications
[01:12] <NthDegree> Mortice: it is supposed to be a KDE supporter, but even when it was a KDE supporter it installed GNOME stuff with it
[01:12] <lupine_85> what a difference a .1 makes :)
[01:12] <lupine_85> of course, beagle is another huge downer
[01:12] <lupine_85> apparently it's going to be in edgy :(
[01:13] <NthDegree> ZOMG don't get me started
[01:13] <Mortice> NthDegree: Gnome support is awful in 10.1. Gnucash doesn't work out of the box. You *have* to compile from source to make it work
[01:13] <Mortice> which requires 660MB of package downloading before you can get it to build
[01:13] <hussam> NthDegree, imo Kubuntu is the last good kde distribtion and Riddell is doing a great job at keeping it so. When it comes to suse, Novell is trying to kill kde in favour of gnome
[01:13] <NthDegree> hussam, dare you to say that in #suse
[01:13] <NthDegree> they believe they support them both
[01:14] <bubu1uk> lol
[01:14] <BluesKaj> hussam, sudo ifconfig pppoe ...have you tried that ?
[01:14] <hussam> NthDegree, as a matter of fact, I have
[01:14] <NthDegree> yet that's why they want to move YaST and the other stuff to GTK
[01:14] <hussam> BluesKaj, sudo ifconfig ppp0
[01:14] <BluesKaj> try pppoe
[01:14] <Mortice> most of the major commercial distros will go to Gnome because of its accessibility stuff, which make it much easier to sell to governments.
[01:15] <NthDegree> my ass
[01:15] <hussam> BluesKaj, pppoe: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[01:15] <BluesKaj> bummer
[01:15] <NthDegree> KDE sticks more to the GNOME HIG than GNOME does
[01:15] <NthDegree> e.g. integrated, consistent looking apps
[01:15] <BluesKaj> hussam, sudo ifconfig pppd ?
[01:16] <NthDegree> only thing it doesn't do is make double sure not to "offend" anyone
[01:16] <Mortice> NthDegree: i'm not talking about look and feel. I'm talking about accessibility for people with disabilities
[01:16] <hussam> BluesKaj, you only have to sudo pppoeconf once. you connect with 'pon dsl-provider' and disconnect with 'poff -a'
[01:16] <Mortice> which is a major criterion for software purchases for many governments
[01:17] <hussam> NthDegree, my all time favorite distros are Archlinux and Kubuntu
[01:17] <NthDegree> Mortice: it has every accessibility feature Windows has, does GNOME have more than Windows??? (wouldn't be surprised if it did)
[01:17] <NthDegree> hussam, Slackware is KDE-centric
[01:17] <NthDegree> that has a good KDE
[01:17] <hussam> gtk 2.10 is fast but not as fast as qt3/kde 3.5
[01:17] <Mortice> NthDegree: correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no KDE equivalent to the atk
[01:17] <hussam> NthDegree, to be honest, I haven't tried it.
[01:18] <NthDegree> Mortice, hit shift 5 times
[01:18] <NthDegree> identical to windows
[01:18] <Mortice> NthDegree: great. sticky keys. Still not doing everything that gnome does.
[01:18] <NthDegree> festival for screen readouts
[01:19] <NthDegree> high-contrast accessibility themes
[01:19] <Mortice> on-screen keyboard, gnopernicus equivalent, etc?
[01:19] <NthDegree> gnopernicus equivalent I just said didn't I
[01:20] <Kr4t05> *Sigh* Wouldn't it figure? I've had Windows installed for two days, and I'm already cleaning out spyware.
[01:20] <NthDegree> gnopernicus is the voice thing
[01:20] <BluesKaj> hussam, whereis kppp.conf ... maybe you can work from there
[01:20] <NthDegree> ?
[01:20] <Mortice> NthDegree: yea, but it also does magnification.
[01:21] <NthDegree> i've found one weakness in accessibility
[01:21] <NthDegree> the accessibility of KDE is only in KDE apps
[01:21] <NthDegree> the GNOME ones can do any app
[01:21] <hussam> BluesKaj, I think I wasn't clear. I can do it from command line using 'pon dsl-provider', but I still looking for gui frontend similar to suse's kinternet
[01:21] <NthDegree> (except KDE ones maybe)
[01:22] <Mortice> at any rate, I need to sleep.
[01:22] <NthDegree> night :)
[01:22] <jvives> hey all! Anyone knows if there is a xmms plugin (or any other player) for displaying the lyric of the song being played? Kind of karaoke style...
[01:23] <NthDegree> jvives: AmaroK may have some plugin (it's big enough to)
[01:23] <jmichaelx> jvives: i think there is, enter xmms in adept.....
[01:23] <jmichaelx> Amarok definitely has that feature, i use it all the time
[01:23] <BluesKaj> hussam, ok , then you do have internet, understood ...typing everytimeto get on is a PITA
[01:24] <NthDegree> hussam, kubuntu can have KInternet
[01:24] <BluesKaj> Amarok isn't working for me since I tried to upgrade to 1.4.3 :(
[01:25] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: that would be really sad. i wonder what went wrong?
[01:25] <BluesKaj> actaully amarok doesn't exist in my kmenu anymore
[01:26] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: did you follow the instructions on imbrandon's website?
[01:26] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, it's my doing ...thot i should dump the existing one first...big mistake !
[01:26] <BluesKaj> took all the dependencies with it
[01:27] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i have come to really love amarok
[01:27] <jmichaelx> u see
[01:27] <jmichaelx> i see*
[01:27] <_ShoGo_> Hi, im trying to install a genius videocam nb, and i have read that it uses sn9c102 driver. i have seen with lsmod that it is loaded, dmesg and lsusb detect it, and dmesg says that it is /dev/video0 but i can only see images from a tv card capturer with camorama
[01:28] <BluesKaj> no matter , xmms and mplayer work well
[01:29] <_ShoGo_> nobody can help me?
[01:29] <jmichaelx> xmms does do fine.... and i think   it does have a plugin for lyrics, though i have never tried it
[01:29] <jvives> BluesKaj: what problem are you having with amarok? Cause I'm having problems too... When I try to play any song, it just shows the name of the song and then "Playlist finished"
[01:30] <imbrandon> jvives, an mp3 ?
[01:30] <jvives> yep
[01:30] <imbrandon> jvives, " sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs "
[01:30] <imbrandon> that will fix you up
[01:30] <imbrandon> ( restart amarok after that installs )
[01:31] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, wasup ? havin amarok issues? sorry just became un-afk ;)
[01:31] <imbrandon> heya jmichaelx ;)
[01:31] <jvives> let me try that...
[01:31] <jmichaelx> howdy imbrandon
[01:31] <BluesKaj> jvives, the prob I have is that i deleted the older version 1.4.2 in favour of upgrading to 1.4.3 , but that was the wrong thing to do ...now i can't get either one to reinstall due to lost dependencies
[01:32] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, apt should pull in the deps , how are you trying to reinstall  it ?
[01:32] <jvives> so, any amarok plugin for karaoke?
[01:32] <jmichaelx> imbrandon: i hope my mentioning your site did not pull you in here, lol
[01:32] <imbrandon> jvives, not that i know of
[01:32] <imbrandon> dosent mean there isnt one though
[01:33] <jmichaelx> jvives: do you just mean to show lyrics?
[01:33] <imbrandon> jmichaelx, it did hilihght me but no biggie ;) i wasent busy
[01:33] <Tachyon> Is there a way I can get a little icon in my system tray to monitor my wireless connection?
[01:33] <jvives> jmichaelx: you said you use a karaoke function on amarok... Where is it? is it an external plugin or what?
[01:34] <jmichaelx> jvives: all i was referring to was the function to show lyrics....
[01:34] <BluesKaj> I've got the repos in my sources list but the message i get is:
[01:34] <BluesKaj> amarok:
[01:34] <BluesKaj>  Depends: amarok-xine but it is not going to be installed
[01:34] <BluesKaj>  Depends: libvisual-0.4-0 (>=0.4.0) but it is not installable
[01:34] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, looks like you dont have dapper-backports enabled
[01:35] <Xcalibur> yo
[01:35] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: add imbrandon's repo, and you can get the libvisual plugin
[01:35] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, my repos or kubnutu.org ?
[01:35] <Xcalibur> can KDE 4 be used with dapper drake?
[01:35] <BluesKaj> imbrandon, URL ?
[01:35] <imbrandon> Xcalibur, not really
[01:35] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, www.imbrandon.com
[01:35] <Xcalibur> y is that>
[01:35] <Xcalibur> ?*
[01:35] <jmichaelx> imbrandon: i could only get libvisual-o.4.0 from your repo
[01:36] <imbrandon> jmichaelx, its in the dapper-backports too
[01:36] <jmichaelx> ok, for some reason i could not get it from there.... all i could find was 0.2.0 (i think)
[01:36] <imbrandon> jmichaelx, in the backports? you know thats not on by default right , you have to add a deb line
[01:37] <jvives> jmichaelx: what function is that?
[01:37] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, are you registered?
[01:37] <imbrandon> ( on freenode ? )
[01:37] <jmichaelx> imbrandon: i will have to check again, but i am fairly sure i have that repo enabled, and could not find 0.4.0 anywhere in there... let me look again. i am not at my kubuntu PC
[01:37] <Xcalibur> so, it's not possible to run it on dapper drake, or is it possible to upgrade from DD to Edgy Eft
[01:38] <jmichaelx> jvives: click context, and from there you can select "lyrics"
[01:38] <jmichaelx> jvives: i think you will need to have ruby installed
[01:38] <imbrandon> Xcalibur, yes its possible to upgrade to edgy from dapper ( but i woulddent recomend it unless your a developer )
[01:38] <jmichaelx> brb
[01:38] <Xcalibur> how would one go about doing this?
[01:38] <imbrandon> jmichaelx, ruby is installed with amarok ( its one of the deps )
[01:39] <jmichaelx> ok
[01:39] <_ShoGo_> nobody can help me?
[01:39] <imbrandon> Xcalibur, short story is open sources.list and s/dapper/edgy BUT it WILL NOT go smooth, unless you are very familiar with apt and command line i wouldent recomend it at all
[01:39] <BluesKaj> yes imbrandon , registered
[01:40] <Xcalibur> ok
[01:40] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, PM me , i'll help you get going
[01:40] <Xcalibur> you recommend not
[01:40] <Xcalibur> so, i will not
[01:40] <Xcalibur> until it is told publicly
[01:40] <BluesKaj> editing kate as we speak
[01:40] <Xcalibur> how to do it smoothly
[01:40] <jott_> imbrandon: oh btw i think your amarok package is broken
[01:41] <imbrandon> jott_,  mayn hundreds of people are using it so i doubt it, but what can i help you with ?
[01:41] <imbrandon> s/mayn/many
[01:42] <jott_> imbrandon: it misses the stuff for dynamic collection (files from usr/share/services and the libs)
[01:42] <jmichaelx> imbrandon: ok, i just lookedat my sources.list , and dapper-backports are not commented. i have no idea why i could not find the 0.4.0 plugins last week when i looked for them. i had to get them from your repo
[01:42] <imbrandon> that was fixed in the 1.4.3 update but i'll make sure , thanks for the tipoff
[01:42] <jott_> imbrandon: (see the last lines in amarok.install in the official edgy .diff)
[01:42] <imbrandon> jott_, ^^
[01:43] <imbrandon> jott_, yea i maintain it in the official repos too, i amde the cahnges i THOUGHT i made them both places but i'll look again, thanks
[01:43] <jott_> sure.. np... better to double check ;)
[01:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:44] <Xcalibur> so, it's not a good idea to upgrade to edgy huh?
[01:44] <imbrandon> Xcalibur, not unless your a developer , as i said it work ( i've been useing it for months ) but it breaks often and is NOT a smooth upgrade atm
[01:45] <imbrandon> s/work/works
[01:45] <Xcalibur> alright
[01:45] <Xcalibur> well, I guess I can wait for KDE 4
[01:45] <Xcalibur> lol
[01:46] <imbrandon> Xcalibur, not much works in kde4 atm but konsole anyhow
[01:46] <Xcalibur> lol
[01:47] <Xcalibur> well, I g2g back to making my masterlock shimm
[01:48] <BluesKaj> Does anyone have an error free sources list ...mine sucks!
[01:48] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, dapper or edgy ?
[01:48] <BluesKaj> dapper
[01:48] <imbrandon> give me a sec
[01:48] <imbrandon> i'll dig a good one up
[01:49] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/dapper-sources.list
[01:49] <BluesKaj> sometimes i end up with 2 sources lists ...why and which one takes precedence ?
[01:50] <imbrandon> you should only have one
[01:50] <BluesKaj> i try to trash the dup one one but it ends with ~ behind it
[01:51] <imbrandon> becosue u are using a graphical editor like kwrite or kate
[01:51] <obf213> how do i change the resolution of kdm?
[01:51] <imbrandon> you can ignore it
[01:51] <imbrandon> obf213, change the default resolution in xorg.conf
[01:52] <BluesKaj> ok so the "real" sources list the one i edit in kate ?
[01:52] <obf213> ok.
[01:52] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, yes
[01:52] <BluesKaj> cool, thx imbrandon
[01:53] <obf213> imbrandon where is xorg.cong
[01:53] <obf213> xorg.conf*
[01:53] <imbrandon> in /etx/X11/
[01:55] <obf213> imbrandon, my desktop has the right resolution but the kdm doesnt does this mean im out of luck because i think your saying they are the same thing
[01:55] <imbrandon> obf213, yes they use the same thing
[01:55] <imbrandon> obf213, kdm only does 1024x768 max iirc
[01:55] <sean5467> alirght, i'm using the kubuntu live disk and it refuses to mount my hard drive
[01:56] <obf213> ah ok
[01:57] <sean5467> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:57] <sean5467> anyone know what this means?
[01:57] <imbrandon> means you dident tell it where to mount
[01:57] <sean5467> oh
[01:58] <imbrandon> sean5467, sudo mount /dev/hda1 /a/mount/point/here
[01:58] <sean5467> ok, thanks
[01:59] <sean5467> and is there any way to get a higher resolution than 1024x768? because it looks really bad on a larger widescreen
[01:59] <imbrandon> sure i'm at 1600x1200 now, depends on your hardware
[01:59] <imbrandon> and what you have set
[02:00] <sean5467> oh, but now i don't even see the resolution adjustment thing anymore
[02:00] <imbrandon> sean5467, " sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg "
[02:01] <jmichaelx> imbrandon: why is the size of your screen?
[02:01] <jmichaelx> what*
[02:01] <imbrandon> my monitor ?
[02:01] <jmichaelx> yes
[02:02] <imbrandon> jmichaelx, 30 apple cinima
[02:02] <jmichaelx> ahhh
[02:02] <imbrandon> 30''
[02:02] <imbrandon> heya Hawkwind
[02:03] <jmichaelx> i am using a 17" @ 1024x768, but have thought about changing it to 1280x800.... if it is even possible to do that on this machine
[02:03] <imbrandon> 1280 x 1024 ?
[02:03] <jmichaelx> <<is also jealous lol
[02:03] <jmichaelx> yeah x1024, my mistake
[02:03] <talljon84> Ever since the CMOS battery was replaced on a computer, it no longer has sound output. It still sees the card but no sound. Also, kmix isn't showing the correct output channels for the Audigy card. How do I fix it?
[02:04] <dein> what command shows what processor type and speed you are using?
[02:04] <imbrandon> dein, "cat /proc/cpuinfo "
[02:05] <imbrandon> talljon84, no idea man, sorry
[02:05] <nnn0> talljon84: have you checked the BIOS
[02:05] <dein> cpu mhz is my clockspeed right?
[02:06] <imbrandon> dein, yes
[02:06] <dein> cuz it says the one im using is 768 mhz 0.o
[02:06] <BluesKaj> I'm still getting souce list errors after editing those sources out and updating ...WTF gives ?
[02:06] <talljon84> nnn0: it's an addin card, not builtin. how would the system bios effect that?
[02:06] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, paste the error in a PM to me
[02:06] <nnn0> donno
[02:06] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj, post your sources.list
[02:07] <imbrandon> Admiral_Chicago, i just helped him edit it, its probably a key issue
[02:07] <nnn0> but some BIOS loose all settings when out of power
[02:07] <kutan> >_<
[02:07] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon, ah
[02:07] <kutan> omg.. I need to get adobe shockwave to work on linux some how
[02:08] <nnn0> vmware ;)
[02:08] <imbrandon> talljon84, make sure the onboard one is turned off in the bios ( probably got reset )
[02:08] <kutan> vmware?
[02:08] <imbrandon> kutan, there is a howto on the restricted formats page
[02:08] <nnn0> so you can run windows in linux
[02:08] <talljon84> imbrandon: already tried that with no effect
[02:08] <nnn0> ah you ment the plugin ? :)
[02:08] <Admiral_Chicago> nnn0, who would want to?
[02:09] <kutan> Yeah, the plugin.
[02:09] <nnn0> sry i wasn't thinking
[02:09] <imbrandon> kutan, there is a howto on the restricted formats page
[02:10] <kutan> !blahblah > kutan
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[02:10] <kutan> bleh
[02:10] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Sorry for the delay...how's life with you tonight ?
[02:10] <kutan> !blahblah>kutan
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[02:10] <kutan> How do I do that again?
[02:10] <kutan> !command > kutan
[02:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about command - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <kutan> screw it
[02:12] <imbrandon> kutan, dont abuse the poor bot
[02:12] <imbrandon> !restricted > kutan
[02:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:13] <Sanne> kutan: just message ubotu and abuse it in private ;): /msg ubotu my_question
[02:13] <kutan> yeah lol I did that one
[02:13] <Sanne> :)
[02:13] <kutan> I kinda.. forgot I could do that :x
[02:24] <TehUni> the official nvidia drivers (from nvidia website) are newer than mine. should i upgrade, even though the package manager doesnt see a newer version? i'd have to do it manually.
[02:25] <lupine_85> TehUni: only if you need a feature of the newer drivers, IMO
[02:25] <lupine_85> if you've got a perfect configuration, no real point in trying to breaking it
[02:26] <TehUni> well
[02:26] <junkphreak> anyone know of a full backup openlinux software that is like ghost but thats free ?
[02:26] <TehUni> i'm using xinerama over 3 screens
[02:26] <TehUni> and it's incredibly slow.
[02:27] <junkphreak> need to image my hd and be able to do full revoery incase the hd dies aor files gte corrupted
[02:28] <lupine_85> junkphreak: dd if=/dev/hda of=/path/to/backup/partition/hugebackup.img ?
[02:28] <junkphreak> how about booting it ?
[02:29] <lupine_85> erm, difficult
[02:29] <junkphreak> lol yep
[02:29] <lupine_85> TBH for backup, ghosting is somewhat pointless
[02:30] <NthDegree> use tar.bz2 then diff the rest right?
[02:30] <lupine_85> I don't think I bother with tar.bz2 atm
[02:30] <lupine_85> it's only a 2GB backup for me
[02:30] <NthDegree> junkphreak: not difficult
[02:31] <NthDegree> if you make your dd backup as a loopback device you can construct a way to boot the backup
[02:31] <NthDegree> not easy but it's possible
[02:35] <singinmatt13> ok.  wireless networking question.  (we all love these. NOT!)  well, I've got a bcm4318 card, with wpa_supplicant and NetworkManager.  NM has worked until now, when i switched houses and tried to connect to another AP.  I click the network, it asks for the password and wallet password.  GIve both, gets up to 28 percent saying configuring IP or somesuch, and then it never gets to the link up stage.  I have a feeling if i went back home it
[02:35] <SpAwN> anyone know if its possible to use my digital camcorder(which works in linux) as a webcam type thing.......
[02:37] <obf213> how do i change the background of my kdm
[02:38] <singinmatt13> obf213 it's under like system settings or somesuch, under splash screen or near that area.  bout all the help i can give
[02:39] <obf213> lol thanks i think i found it
[02:39] <Xcalibur> is there anyway to skin KDE?
[02:40] <larson9999>  there's more than one way to skin a KDE
[02:40] <Xcalibur> then, how can i skin my KDE?
[02:41] <singinmatt13> network help anyone?
[02:41] <singinmatt13> read my entry above
[02:41] <Xcalibur> I have to get off my laptop in like 5 mins, I want to have it skinned by then, can anyone help me?
[02:42] <_Dink> yea only if you jelp me get 3d acceleration to pass on Cedega tests with ATI 8.28.8 drivers first ;)
[02:42] <talljon84> Does anyone know what package provides the alsaconf util in Ubuntu?
[02:42] <Xcalibur> wow, then im screwed
[02:43] <Xcalibur> I g2g, hope to get some help 2morrow
[02:44] <singinmatt13> talljon84: alsa-utils
[02:44] <_Dink> i dont think you need it anymore
[02:45] <_Dink> unless you use ISA cards
[02:45] <_Dink> modprobe your card and use mixer
[02:46] <singinmatt13> hm...my alsa autoset when i installed
[02:46] <singinmatt13> people have their own troubles though
[02:46] <singinmatt13> As i do
[02:46] <singinmatt13> again.  SEe my above entry
[02:46] <_Dink> that would have it yes
[02:47] <_Dink> now how do i get 3d acceleration passing on cedega :P
[02:47] <talljon84> singinmatt13: that package is installed but alsaconf is no where to be found
[02:48] <singinmatt13> hmmm
[02:49] <_Dink> you might have to get it from src
[02:49] <singinmatt13> sorry, man.  I haven't dealt with alsa since the olden days on my gateway solo from hell
[02:49] <talljon84> What does Kubuntu use for sound by default then?
[02:49] <alekz> how can i disable the sound that is launched when i open a new window or min/max it ?
[02:50] <Sanne> talljon84: to find which package provides a certian file or app, you can search at packages.ubuntu.com under "Search the contents of packages"
[02:50] <_Dink> sound & media in system seetting
[02:50] <_Dink> i thnk
[02:50] <lupine_85> kubuntu uses alsa
[02:51] <lupine_85> it also uses arts
[02:51] <lupine_85> no idea what arts is for, though - I always disable it as soon as I get the system installed ;)
[02:52] <_Dink> so anyone here cedega/ati experts ;)
[02:52] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: No arts soon enough though :P
[02:52] <Hawkwind> _Dink: Plenty of them in #WineHQ and #Cedega :P
[02:53] <_Dink> tried there... they directed me here :P
[02:53] <Hawkwind> Ummm, they shouldn't have.  They are the experts on their package :P
[02:53] <_Dink> lol thats what I thought...
[02:53] <Hawkwind> Ahhhh look at that.  FiOS in Dallas Texas.  Must be nice
[02:54] <_Dink> basically .... ati drivers are loaded... works... everything works... except 3D accelerations fails
[02:54] <ErikTheRed> alright this should be an easy question
[02:55] <_Dink> just thought I would ask in here
[02:55] <Sanne> lupine_85: arts is one of the sound servers (like esd inGnome, or like jack). They run on top of the sound driver (alsa) and provide access to the sound device for more than one app at the same time. If an app can't work with such a sound server (like some games), it needs to be disabled or it blocks the sound device for such an app.
[02:55] <ErikTheRed> if i want something to load at startup, in this case compiz-manager
[02:55] <_Dink> bbl maybe need to pick up wife
[02:55] <Sanne> lupine_85: I thought you might want to know :)
[02:56] <ErikTheRed> lemme put my question in one sentence
[02:56] <lupine_85> yep, thanks :)
[02:56] <ErikTheRed> if i want to load compiz-manager at startup what is the easiest way to do that?
[02:56] <Sanne> :)
[02:57] <Neko> hi
[02:58] <Neko> i would like some help setting up my new laptop
[02:59] <Neko> could i get some ?
[02:59] <Hawkwind> Neko: What exactly do you need help with ?
[03:00] <Neko> not deleting windows
[03:00] <talljon84> Can you instruct Kubuntu installer to reinstall all files and run all of it's setup scripts without formatting the drive?
[03:00] <talljon84> ...basically reinstall the shell over the existing filesystem?
[03:00] <Neko> roar  ^-^  I would appreciate instructions
[03:00] <Neko> wait, i'll be back in a little bit
[03:01] <Hawkwind> talljon84: Absolutely
[03:01] <Hawkwind> talljon84: AFAIK you don't have to format any partitions during the install
[03:02] <talljon84> Hawkwind: and it should just overwrite all the config files in the process? (ie if there is an unkown soundcard configuration error, it will reset it back to the default)?
[03:02] <Hawkwind> talljon84: Possibly
[03:02] <ErikTheRed> i'll try asking my question again
[03:02] <Hawkwind> talljon84: I've never tried it personally
[03:02] <ErikTheRed> i got xgl working
[03:02] <Hawkwind> !xgl
[03:02] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:02] <Sanne> Hawkwind, talljon84: I think this has just changed, IIRC, I read on ubuntu-devel that the root partition / will get formatted in any case. I don't know on which version it when it changed, though. Should I go dig for the link?
[03:02] <Hawkwind> ErikTheRed: Read those URL's, might help you there
[03:02] <ErikTheRed> well i don't need help with xgl per se
[03:03] <ErikTheRed> i just need to know how to have a program startup upon login
[03:03] <Hawkwind> ErikTheRed: That link tells you how to do exactly what you want
[03:04] <Sanne> Hawkwind, talljon84: in any case, here's the link to the first post in the thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-September/020344.html
[03:05] <mewmew> hi
[03:05] <mewmew> this is Neko
[03:05] <mewmew> anyway
[03:05] <mewmew> first off, how do i resize my windows partition?
[03:06] <Healot> you want to do while in Windows or off the LiveCD?
[03:06] <naegling23> I upgraded to kde 3.4.whatever last week, now everytime I boot, the setup wizard runs, how do I make it stop
[03:07] <mewmew> while on LiveDVD
[03:07] <Healot> the DVD boots up GNOME right
[03:07] <mewmew> no kde
[03:07] <mewmew> it's a kubuntu livedvd
[03:08] <Healot> run qtparted while in live session
[03:08] <mewmew> ok what do i do?
[03:10] <mewmew> once qtparted is open?
[03:10] <Healot> it's simply dragging-typing...
[03:10] <Healot> clicking operation...
[03:10] <mewmew> what?
[03:10] <mewmew> i mean, what exactly do i need to do?
[03:11] <mewmew> also, should i keep the recovery info around?
[03:11] <Healot> do you know what you want to achieve?
[03:11] <mewmew> i want to resize the win partition and install kubuntu
[03:11] <Healot> selecting the help menu might help
[03:12] <Healot> do you know how to use qtparted?
[03:12] <Healot> !qtparted
[03:12] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 198 kB, installed size 704 kB
[03:12] <mewmew> ok, no i don't
[03:12] <Healot> do you know how to select a menu from the menu bar?
[03:13] <mewmew> yeah
[03:14] <Healot> and know how to browser the internet? http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.en.html >> Visualize it
[03:14] <obf213> anyone have a prblem with the password prompt not opening so u can run things as root, in kcontrol or system settings?
[03:15] <Healot> since qtparted is visual, i guess screenshots would be better to explain it
[03:15] <cLuEdArT> I've got a strange question when someone can lend some advice ;)
[03:15] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: Ask away
[03:16] <cLuEdArT> ok, so for the longest time i was using the i386 kernel
[03:16] <cLuEdArT> awhile back in started using the k7-smp kernel
[03:16] <Sanne> obf213: yeah, sometimes I have to hit the admin mode button again to make the password input window appear.
[03:16] <cLuEdArT> since then, i haven't compiled anything.  I went to compile a package today, and I'm getting dependency issues left and right
[03:16] <cLuEdArT> are libs platform specific?
[03:17] <cLuEdArT> like, it's having a fit over Qt, and xlibs
[03:17] <Healot> kernel libs?
[03:17] <cLuEdArT> nope
[03:17] <Healot> or application libraries?
[03:17] <cLuEdArT> just libs and some other dev tools for source compiling
[03:17] <Healot> it's architecture specific
[03:17] <cLuEdArT> like, I was trying to compile KSmoothDock from source
[03:17] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: Have you installed build-essential ?
[03:17] <cLuEdArT> oh of course
[03:18] <cLuEdArT> everything on here I've compiled form source
[03:18] <cLuEdArT> but
[03:18] <cLuEdArT> since I switched kernels, i haven't compiled anything until tonight
[03:18] <cLuEdArT> they are arch specific?
[03:19] <Hawkwind> If you've compiled things that are now deps, that's why you might be having issues.  It's not picking the needed deps up in the place they should be since you compiled them and not installed them via the package manager.
[03:19] <obf213> how do make this automaticaly recognize your password
[03:19] <obf213> like the irc
[03:19] <cLuEdArT> hmmm
[03:19] <cLuEdArT> ok, for instance
[03:21] <cLuEdArT> one of the errors was "xlibs not installed"
[03:21] <cLuEdArT> but it is, I can apt-get xlibs and it will say it's already the newest version
[03:21] <intelikey> some body knows how to correct "Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US"." ???  aspell error.
[03:22] <cLuEdArT> so, would I be wise, the next time I reformat, to install the k7-smp kernel before installing anyting, even before build-essentials?
[03:23] <obf213> y does nickserve tell me my pasword is incorrect when i do the auto identify thing
[03:23] <Healot> either way, really
[03:23] <Sanne> cLuEdArT: make sure you have the corresponding -dev packages of the libs also.
[03:23] <cLuEdArT> or is there a seperate set of repo's available for k7's.  I would think it would be the same as the i386 repos.
[03:23] <obf213> and i know the password is correct do i need to add <> to the password
[03:23] <cLuEdArT> Sanne, I do.
[03:24] <cLuEdArT> the xlibs package only comes xlibs-dev according to Adept when I cross reference
[03:24] <Hawkwind> !register > obf213
[03:24] <Hawkwind> obf213: Might ask a staff member in #Freenode if they can help you recover your password
[03:24] <Sanne> cLuEdArT: if you have them installed and get not found errors, see if you can tell the build proccess (usually configure) where the devs and libs are.
[03:24] <intelikey> i386!=smp  smp=i686+
[03:25] <Sanne> cLuEdArT: usually './configure --help' should tell you
[03:25] <cLuEdArT> i've tried using a symbolic link for my libs, but when i rerun ./configure it still chokes
[03:26] <intelikey> aspell issue ?
[03:26] <cLuEdArT> but it's weird, everythign i have from firefox to amarok, i've compiled from source with no problems, until i started using this k7-smp kernel
[03:26] <Sanne> cLuEdArT: you can also go through config.log and hunt for details of the errors
[03:27] <intelikey> one question cLuEdArT, if you want to build everything why are you using *buntu ?
[03:27] <Sanne> cLuEdArT: I doubt it's related to the kernel. Might be coincidence.
[03:27] <cLuEdArT> well, for instance...
[03:27] <cLuEdArT> with amarok, up until 1.4.3
[03:27] <cLuEdArT> if you wanted MySQL with iPod support, you had no choice to compile
[03:28] <cLuEdArT> otherwise, you had SQLite and no ipod support by default
[03:28] <Hawkwind> But that's one thing, not everything
[03:28] <cLuEdArT> you're right
[03:28] <cLuEdArT> that's just as an example
[03:28] <Sanne> intelikey: hey, did you get my message the other day? About alternate installer putting the cd in soulces.list?
[03:28] <Hawkwind> No need to compile everything.  If you want to compile everything then you shouldn't be running a deb/rpm based distro really
[03:28] <cLuEdArT> i realize that
[03:28] <intelikey> Sanne i surely did, ty
[03:28] <cLuEdArT> i love precompile .debs and .rpms :)
[03:28] <Hawkwind> If you, you're messing up your system
[03:29] <Sanne> intelikey: ah, cool. Then I got it done correctly :)
[03:29] <intelikey> you did indeed
[03:29] <Hawkwind> These dep problems you are having are more than likely because you compiled all this stuff and it can't find it in the correct place
[03:29] <cLuEdArT> for firefox beta 2, there is no package
[03:29] <cLuEdArT> so i compiled that from source too
[03:29] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: You don't need the latest software all the time
[03:29] <cLuEdArT> peerguardian is from source
[03:29] <cLuEdArT> frostwire was from source
[03:30] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: You could make deb packages of all those things
[03:30] <Hawkwind> It will keep your system a lot cleaner and probably work better as well
[03:30] <cLuEdArT> chkinstall?
[03:30] <Hawkwind> Ewwwwwww no
[03:30] <cLuEdArT> heh
[03:30] <Hawkwind> I wouldn't recommend that to my worst enemy
[03:30] <cLuEdArT> hahah, that's why I asked
[03:30] <cLuEdArT> i never use that
[03:30] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[03:31] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: Quick and simple how-to
[03:31] <timi> ive been trying to change the kdm background of the edgy kdm theme but i dont know where to go, i went to login in manager and taht did nothing
[03:31] <intelikey> i tried it once.... me wonders who it was that sujested chkinstall.....
[03:31] <cLuEdArT> dh_make?
[03:32] <intelikey> timi isn't edgy questions   #ubuntu+1   or have you asked there already?
[03:32] <Sanne> timi: there's a package for changing kdm themes I needed to install in dapper. It will change the whole theme, though, not only the background. I will look for the name, sec.
[03:33] <Sanne> timi: the package is kdmtheme
[03:33] <cLuEdArT> Hawkwind, you've had good luck with this method?
[03:33] <johny> mount:is't able to find /dev/fdo in etc/fstab or /etc/mtab....how can I fix it?
[03:34] <timi> Sanne thanks, intelikey im not using edgy its just edgy kdm theme
[03:34] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: I build packages for a living actually :P
[03:34] <Sanne> timi: you're welcome :)
[03:35] <Kr4t05> What would be a good GNU utility to zero write an entire flash drive?
[03:35] <cLuEdArT> heh, so, timeframe on this method vs ./configure then make?
[03:35] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: You don't use the ./configure and all that
[03:35] <cLuEdArT> Hawkwind, I fix aircraft for a living, lol, i'm no compiler.
[03:35] <Hawkwind> cLuEdArT: It takes about 10 minutes usually
[03:35] <cLuEdArT> ah ok
[03:35] <cLuEdArT> that's what i was trying to figure out
[03:35] <cLuEdArT> i will definetly give it a shot.
[03:36] <cLuEdArT> so as far as my broken packages now, its pretty much backup /home and format/reinstall?
[03:36] <Hawkwind> Why not reboot to the other kernel ?
[03:36] <Hawkwind> If it worked there, then use it
[03:37] <cLuEdArT> other kernel is no more.
[03:37] <cLuEdArT> gone from grizzub too
[03:37] <Hawkwind> So install it
[03:37] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know of a utility I could use to wipe a flash drive?
[03:37] <intelikey> dd
[03:37] <cLuEdArT> worth a shot.
[03:38] <cLuEdArT> goodbye smp kernel lol.
[03:38] <scythe> anyone know if samba can be ran from the livecd (hoary)
[03:39] <Sanne> night all
[03:39] <intelikey> aspell issue.  nobody ?
[03:40] <scythe> file recovery off a non booting ntfs using the ubuntu livecd anybody?
[03:40] <intelikey> scythe testdisk    'maybe'
[03:41] <scythe> testdisk?
[03:41] <scythe> tell me more!!
[03:41] <intelikey> yeah
[03:41] <cLuEdArT> hmmm, NTFS will only be read-only without fuse ntfs-3g
[03:41] <scythe> and that isnt on the livecd, is it cluedart
[03:41] <cLuEdArT> nope
[03:42] <intelikey> apt-get install testdisk, and run it.   errr not sure if the repos are setup in the live cd hoary version... you might want to check.
[03:42] <swamptu> what is easiest way to run gkrellm at startup?
[03:42] <cLuEdArT> can you mount ntfs from the livecd?
[03:42] <scythe> I am stuck on dialup...
[03:42] <scythe> cluedart, yeah
[03:42] <scythe> but I dont have any writeable disk
[03:43] <intelikey> scythe yes hoary should support ro ntfs
[03:43] <token__> trying to get the kernel-devel package, but `apt-get install kernel-devel' doesn't work
[03:43] <scythe> I can read the hd, I just cant write to this guys external hd
[03:43] <crimsun> what is "kernel-devel" supposed to provide?
[03:43] <token__> kernel headers
[03:43] <intelikey> linux-source  token
[03:43] <token__> tx
[03:43] <cLuEdArT> yeah, linux-source
[03:44] <crimsun> are you sure you don't mean linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential?
[03:44] <intelikey> linux-headers
[03:44] <scythe> I dont want to format his drive so I can write to it, he might get a little mad
[03:44] <intelikey> if ya just want the headers
[03:44] <stahnma> anybody having trouble with KDE apps launching after installing XGL?
[03:44] <token__> how can i search avail. packages?
[03:44] <stahnma> toeken_ : apt-cache search whatever
[03:44] <cLuEdArT> stahnma, i have trouble with java apps crawling
[03:45] <token__> tx. again
[03:45] <stahnma> cLuEdArt: I have had that problem too
[03:45] <cLuEdArT> stahnma, but they launch no problem
[03:45] <intelikey> scythe and you need to write to ntfs from linux why ?
[03:45] <scythe> token, synaptic or package manager in you menus
[03:45] <stahnma> I put on Sun JRE and the java stuff was nice
[03:45] <stahnma> I have problems launching Amarok and Konquerer
[03:45] <cLuEdArT> stahnma, with XGL, Azureus and FrostWire hate me.  heh.
[03:45] <stahnma> which just seem sodd
[03:45] <cLuEdArT> those aren't java based though
[03:45] <stahnma> Yeah, Azureus was really rough
[03:45] <stahnma> righte
[03:46] <stahnma> to fix Azureus I installed Sun's JRE
[03:46] <cLuEdArT> if you look on the compiz.net forums, you can get some good feedback there
[03:46] <naegling23> is anyone familiar with samba?
[03:46] <cLuEdArT> i already have jre.
[03:46] <stahnma> it looks like GIGJ sucks
[03:46] <scythe> guy has a laptop that is only ntfs, lost a sector and cant boot.  I am trying to recover the files off it  that I can read.  It is about 30 Gb worth of stuff, and he gave me an external HD.  Guess what... its NTFS too!!
[03:46] <stahnma> or at least wasn't working well with that
[03:46] <stahnma> did you run update-alternatives to reference Sun Java as primary?
[03:46] <cLuEdArT> if he has an xp setup disc, he can run "fixmbr" from it
[03:47] <cLuEdArT> last comment directed to scythe
[03:47] <cLuEdArT> stahnma, nope.
[03:47] <intelikey> scythe   mount -o remount,rw,umask=000 <mount.point/of.ntfs>      and if it breaks the fs  forget that you heard it here.    cause i'll deny it.
[03:47] <cLuEdArT> intelikey, LMAO
[03:48] <scythe> not the boot loader, its in the actual system
[03:48] <cLuEdArT> scythe, i misread, i was thinking boot sector
[03:48] <scythe> gets to the pretty WONDOW XP screen , then it blue screens
[03:48] <scythe> np clue
[03:48] <naegling23> scythe, I think that means its working normally
[03:48] <scythe> I am going to try Intelikey
[03:49] <cLuEdArT> what about "last known good configuration" or "recovery console" scythe
[03:49] <scythe> that was a premature return key, i meany your suggestion
[03:49] <scythe> no go cluedart
[03:49] <intelikey> </whistels inocently>
[03:49] <scythe> meant as well
[03:50] <cLuEdArT> scythe, A:> FORMAT C: /s y
[03:50] <cLuEdArT> lol
[03:50] <scythe> Not my call, and the cisco software he has wont work under wine
[03:51] <scythe> He will be pitching the hd, and replacing it.  I have dibbs on it, but if it is losing sectors (its a dell), then the drive probably wont be good for much longer
[03:51] <scythe> maybe 2-3 more years
[03:51] <intelikey> llf
[03:51] <naegling23> Ive had hard drives go on me, reformatted them, and gotten 5 or so years out of them
[03:52] <cLuEdArT> exactly
[03:52] <naegling23> those things are weird
[03:52] <cLuEdArT> formatting can potentially fix it
[03:52] <cLuEdArT> i've had great luck with my drives
[03:52] <scythe> so have I , but laptops are ..... untrustworthy.  I think he would rather not risk it
[03:52] <cLuEdArT> doh, it's a laptop.
[03:53] <cLuEdArT> well, then that starts getting pricey
[03:53] <scythe> I have only had 2 drives go bad on me, one was after a cross country move... the other was a "bad" maxtor
[03:53] <cLuEdArT> brb
[03:53] <scythe> the maxtor lasted 3 years after he replaced it
[03:53] <scythe> :)
[03:53] <intelikey> llf   low level format    make or break the drive....  :)
[03:54] <scythe> oo.org loads way to slow
[03:54] <scythe> :(
[03:54] <intelikey> i don't do oo
[03:54] <intelikey> that very reason
[03:55] <intelikey> aspell   Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US".
[03:55] <scythe> hehe, I have to deal with the government.... nothing but office there.
[03:55] <scythe> intel.. could you explain out that mount command you gave me?
[03:56] <scythe> mainly the umask=000
[03:56] <intelikey> where is the drive mounted that you want to write to ?     `mount `
[03:56] <token__> trying to install/update via apt-get results in "failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package `evolution': Input/output error." i tried to clean the cache etc...
[03:56] <naegling23> hey, my computer seems to make more fan noise under windows, is this true, or is it just me
[03:56] <token__> few google results
[03:57] <scythe> or /media/sda1
[03:57] <intelikey> k
[03:57] <scythe> ive been switching betweek ubuntu and knoppix lately :)
[03:57] <intelikey> sudo mount -o remount,rw,umask=000 /media/sda1
[03:57] <intelikey> drop that in the konsole
[03:58] <scythe> got thatgot that, what is the -o switch do, and what is umask=000
[03:58] <intelikey> err live cd   gnome-terminal
[03:58] <scythe> the rest I understand
[03:58] <intelikey> answers to those are found in    man mount
[03:59] <scythe> answers in man mount are about as clear as mud
[03:59] <scythe> and I am at a mac right now, cant guarentee the same man pages
[04:00] <intelikey>   -o     Options are specified with a -o flag followed by a  comma  sepa-
[04:00] <intelikey>               rated  string of options.
[04:01] <scythe> k
[04:01] <intelikey> from man mount.....   you can read it for your self....
[04:02] <intelikey>        umask=value
[04:02] <intelikey>               Set the umask (the bitmask  of  the  permissions  that  are  not
[04:02] <intelikey>               present).  The default is the umask of the current process.  The
[04:02] <intelikey>               value is given in octal.
[04:02] <scythe> what does that mean in english
[04:02] <scythe> (I have man mount open on my laptop now)
[04:02] <intelikey> means it sets the permissions
[04:02] <scythe> like chmod then
[04:03] <scythe> ?
[04:03] <intelikey> can't chmod a file system that doesn't have permissions bit   that options is only for fs w/o perms bit
[04:03] <scythe> k
[04:03] <intelikey> i.e.  M$
[04:04] <scythe> and the 000 is world, group, user rwx in a very simply put manner
[04:04] <intelikey> yep
[04:04] <scythe> I still use M$, I have yet found anything that can rip a dvd as quick (k9copy I am still playing with)
[04:04] <Kr4t05> What's /dev/zero?
[04:05] <scythe> null?
[04:05] <intelikey> 0
[04:05] <intelikey> dd if=/dev/zero count=1 bs=1
[04:06] <Kr4t05> intelikey: Sweet, I think I may have solved my problem. :)
[04:06] <scythe> thanx intel, I may be back, depending on how he 30Gb of transfer goes!
[04:06] <cLuEdArT> heh
[04:07] <Kr4t05> I was trying to find a way to zero-write a USB drive I had, so I figured I'd dd /dev/zero onto it. :)
[04:07] <swamptu> Q: When i run glxgears the gears are spinning but i receive no output in the konsole
[04:07] <intelikey> Kr4t05 that would write all '0' on the disk
[04:08] <Kr4t05> intelikey: exactly.
[04:09] <intelikey> Kr4t05 most often that is used for a security precaution.  gennerally first using /dev/random  or /dev/urandom   a few times then following with zero and a format
[04:09] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I was trying to fix a bad partition table on the disk.
[04:10] <intelikey> partition table is in the first sector.  a block size of 1 or 2 k  and count of 1  then repartitioning.
[04:11] <BluesKaj> imbrandon, i still need to install libvisual-0.4-0, but the terminal says there's no installation candidate...is there a way to solv e this ?
[04:12] <intelikey> libvisual0.2 - Audio visualization framework
[04:12] <intelikey> libvisual0.2-dev - Audio visualisation framework (development package)
[04:12] <intelikey> libvisual0.2-plugins - Audio visualization framework plugins
[04:12] <intelikey> maybe one of those superceed it
[04:12] <Kr4t05> It works!
[04:12] <cLuEdArT> swamptu, use "glxgears -printfps"
[04:12] <Kr4t05> Eureka!
[04:13] <swamptu> yea figured it out hehe thx, I just can't seem to get ut2k4 working....i was playing it, then i upgraded to new patch.  Now i just see splash screen for a split second and then nothing.
[04:13] <BluesKaj> intel , were you talking about libvisual-0.4-0 ?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> intelikey
[04:14] <intelikey> --i acknowledge that this is not a bench mark     or some such on the glxgears
[04:15] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah wondering if that's the ubuntu dapper version of that package
[04:15] <intelikey> BluesKaj you have edgy?
[04:15] <BluesKaj> well. I am running kubuntu Dapper
[04:15] <imbrandon> BluesKaj, do you have my repo ? " sudo apt-get install libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins " and tell me the output ( i assumed you have done apt-get update )
[04:16] <BluesKaj> yup imbrandon , sure did
[04:16] <imbrandon> ok paste that line i just put in quotes
[04:16] <imbrandon> and tell me the output
[04:17] <intelikey> imbrandon is that the same as the libvisual0.2  ?
[04:17] <BluesKaj> Package libvisual-0.4-0 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:17] <BluesKaj> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:17] <BluesKaj> is only available from another source
[04:17] <AWOSDev> Can you help me with Samba?
[04:17] <imbrandon> intelikey, it replaces it, its only for the new amarok
[04:19] <intelikey> imbrandon i see... i was wondering why the name change...   libvisual0. libvisual-0.  often that will mean major change.
[04:20] <imbrandon> intelikey, becosue upstream libvisual sucks and we had to mangle the packages
[04:20] <intelikey> well i go now.
[04:21] <rod> hi, im experiencing slow video playback with an ATI mobility card and while researching the problem was told to check the output of "fglrxinfo" and it says mesa3d.org not ATI, is this a problem, and if it it how can i go about fixing it?  thanks.
[04:22] <Tachyon> If I wanted to dock Thunderbird in the system tray so that it can stay open to check mail, what would be a good way of doing this?
[04:22] <imbrandon> !ati > rod
[04:24] <__mikem> hey imbrandon, theres someone in #ubuntu whose hostmask contains the term terrorist, and being an american, that offends me
[04:24] <__mikem> his username is banana
[04:24] <rod> thanks brandon!
[04:25] <habakkuk> hello
[04:25] <fowlduck> __mikem: you said terrorist, i'm angry
[04:25] <habakkuk> anyone alve?
[04:25] <cLuEdArT> fowlduck, you said terrorist, i'm angry
[04:25] <lupine_85> gasp!
[04:25] <__mikem> cLuEdArT you said terrorist I am angry
[04:25] <lupine_85> and he's... french...
[04:25] <cLuEdArT> exactly
[04:25] <fowlduck> __mikem: you said terrorist, i'm angry
[04:25] <lupine_85> *sigh*
[04:25] <__mikem> and here we go round the mullburybush
[04:25] <fowlduck> and...the....circle.....continues....
[04:26] <cLuEdArT> and i'm U.S. military, and I believe in free speach, and if that guy wants to have a gay vhost, so be-it.
[04:26] <__mikem> @ping
[04:26] <BluesKaj> __mikem, hey get a life ...
[04:26] <__mikem> I have a life and it sucks
[04:26] <NthDegree> BluesKaj: he can always take yours
[04:27] <imbrandon> hey CHILL
[04:27] <imbrandon> everyone
[04:27] <lupine_85> just /ignore __mikem -- it makes life so much easier :)
[04:27] <cLuEdArT> lol
[04:27] <__mikem> hey I am a regular in these chanels, so don't treat me like some troll
[04:27] <lupine_85> seriously. I have
[04:27] <imbrandon> __mikem, i know i was talking to everyone
[04:27] <cLuEdArT> hahah regulars have some kinda l33t priveliges?
[04:28] <__mikem> imbrandon I was talking to lupine_85, I know what you meant
[04:28] <habakkuk> lol
[04:28] <habakkuk> lag
[04:28] <NthDegree> yeah, where's my OP status and my ass kissing
[04:28] <NthDegree> i'm a regular
[04:28] <habakkuk> wel, once again does anoune know HOWTO deal with Wine emulator ?
[04:28] <__mikem> NthDegree, checks in the mail
[04:28] <__mikem> #winehq
[04:28] <imbrandon> winehq.org
[04:28] <lupine_85> habakkuk: what are you trying to do with it?
[04:29] <NthDegree> habakkuk: Wine Is Not an Emulator (WINE)
[04:29] <habakkuk> lupine_85: well, i want to find it ;-) i followed by install instructhions on its webpage, but
[04:29] <habakkuk> finally i dont know where is it placed and stuff
[04:30] <lupine_85> once you've run sudo apt-get install wine you can run a windows binary like this:- "wine file.exe"
[04:30] <lupine_85> or right-click on a .exe in konqueror and choose open with.. and in the box type wine
[04:30] <habakkuk> i did it via synaptic
[04:30] <lupine_85> yep, that's fine
[04:30] <__mikem> lupine_85 you forgot one step...Crossing your heart and praying to god that it works
[04:30] <NthDegree> same thing habakkuk
[04:31] <loer> ....
[04:31] <habakkuk> i tried it , but i have No wine there
[04:31] <NthDegree> habakkuk: i suggest you start by running winecfg
[04:31] <loer> I love you
[04:31] <__mikem> um loer, I believe you are in the wrong chanel
[04:31] <lupine_85> so when you type "wine --version" in some random terminal, what does it say?
[04:31] <habakkuk> sorry guys, i have linux 1st time, about 4 hours so im confused a bit
[04:32] <NthDegree> loer, if you haven't got anything remotely smart to say, say in in #ubuntu-offtopic or don't say it at all
[04:32] <__mikem> lol
[04:32] <habakkuk> habakkuk@Aicha:~$ winecfg
[04:32] <habakkuk> bash: winecfg: command not found
[04:32] <habakkuk> habakkuk@Aicha:~$
[04:32] <loer> Yes
[04:32] <habakkuk> ;]
[04:32] <__mikem> loer yes what?
[04:32] <lupine_85> 1. use pastebin
[04:33] <lupine_85> !pastebin
[04:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:33] <NthDegree> shall I call HIM
[04:33] <lupine_85> 2. you can't have installed it
[04:33] <__mikem> NthDegree, who partell is "HIM"
[04:33] <habakkuk> sorry for flood
[04:33] <NthDegree> S*veas
[04:33] <lupine_85> are the files /usr/bin/wine and /usr/bin/winecfg present?
[04:33] <habakkuk> well, what did i do then ?
[04:34] <habakkuk> lemme check\
[04:34] <__mikem> ls /usr/bin | grep wine
[04:34] <NthDegree> which wine
[04:34] <NthDegree> which winecfg
[04:34] <NthDegree> ^.^
[04:34] <__mikem> any, that command will grep all items in /usr/bin with the word wine in their name
[04:35] <NthDegree> yeah but WINE doesn't always go in /usr/bin
[04:35] <NthDegree> it may go in /usr/local/bin
[04:35] <habakkuk> ive got there plenty of shit but no wine files at all
[04:35] <NthDegree> !language
[04:35] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:35] <NthDegree> !coc
[04:35] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:35] <lupine_85> if you search for wine in synaptic, does the package show up as installed?
[04:35] <__mikem> fine ls /usr/*bin | grep wine
[04:35] <habakkuk> LOL!
[04:35] <habakkuk> forgive. ;)
[04:36] <|lostbyte|> :)
[04:36] <NthDegree> go to gentoo if you like to swear a lot (they permit it since users get frustrated with all the bugs)
[04:36] <habakkuk> lupine_85:  may i privmsg you about that?
[04:36] <habakkuk> theres to mooch 'conjetion'
[04:36] <habakkuk> ;)
[04:36] <|lostbyte|> habakkuk, dpkg -l | grep wine
[04:37] <lupine_85> erm, no
[04:37] <habakkuk> erm, thanx :/
[04:37] <lupine_85> TBH I should go to bed anyway
[04:37] <__mikem> lostbyte's command works best
[04:37] <NthDegree> night lupine_85
[04:37] <lupine_85> night
[04:37] <__mikem> you could do ls /* | grep wine
[04:37] <__mikem> nvm that doesn't work
[04:37] <NthDegree> or which wine && which winecfg
[04:38] <NthDegree> which is the appropriate command
[04:38] <fildo> morning felllow kubunters
[04:38] <__mikem> username@computername:~$which wine
[04:38] <|lostbyte|> habakkuk, HAve you installed wine in the first place ? how and from where ?
[04:38] <__mikem> username@computername:~$which winecfg
[04:38] <|lostbyte|> fildo, Morning.
[04:39] <habakkuk> I have no ide
[04:39] <NthDegree> habakkuk: sudo apt-get install wine
[04:39] <habakkuk> i just followed by instructions on www, maybe i just upgrded that list
[04:39] <habakkuk> dunno
[04:39] <habakkuk> okay
[04:39] <|lostbyte|> habakkuk, whats the out put for --------> dpkg -l | grep wine
[04:39] <habakkuk> |lostbyte|: i have no idea what is this
[04:39] <habakkuk> ;)
[04:40] <|lostbyte|> habakkuk, or do what NthDegree just said.
[04:40] <habakkuk> just performed
[04:40] <habakkuk> strange transfer less than 1kb/sec
[04:41] <NthDegree> habakkuk: slow server methinks
[04:41] <__mikem> NthDegree, just join the FBSD chatroom, and you can have the best of both worlds
[04:41] <NthDegree> ROFL
[04:41] <NthDegree> or (try) and get a BSD system to boot off a loopback device XD
[04:42] <NthDegree> LMFAO
[04:42] <__mikem> NthDegree ever hear of something called FreeSBIE
[04:42] <NthDegree> __mikem: I didn't even run as administrator when I was using Windows
[04:42] <NthDegree> nope, what is it?
[04:42] <__mikem> Live freebsd cd
[04:43] <habakkuk> ah another question
[04:43] <habakkuk> do i need allthat file located in /usr/bin/ ?
[04:43] <rich_mon> anyone up for ati driver install?  I need help with it.     I did it once but i'm not too sure it took.  How would I check that out?
[04:44] <NthDegree> habakkuk: now i mean this in the politest possible way RTFM!!!!
[04:44] <habakkuk> didnt get ya anyway
[04:44] <__mikem> RTFM = Read the F***ing Manuel
[04:45] <habakkuk> i'm speding another like feefteenth hour here with my ne w os
[04:45] <habakkuk> five
[04:45] <rich_mon> i hear ua
[04:45] <NthDegree> __mikem: you mean Read The "Fine" Manual :-)
[04:45] <habakkuk> and im as impressed as confused
[04:45] <__mikem> NthDegree, check the PM I just sent you
[04:45] <NthDegree> just did
[04:45] <rich_mon> any one familiar with ATI driver installs?
[04:46] <rich_mon> heh, not a favorite subject isee
[04:46] <NthDegree> rich_mon: the wiki has a HOWTO
[04:46] <NthDegree> !ati
[04:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:46] <__mikem> How to use ati card, step 1, mount to a piece of wood, 2 take 10 paces and turn, 3 load gun, 4 fire at will, 5 buy an nvidia card
[04:47] <NthDegree> __mikem: you evil non-FOSS supporting f00l
[04:47] <rich_mon> mike: no kidding but i'm stuck with it
[04:47] <NthDegree> How to use ati card, step 1, mount to a piece of wood, 2 take 10 paces and turn, 3 load gun, 4 fire at will, 5 buy an INTEL card
[04:47] <rich_mon> best solution: go back to windows
[04:47] <NthDegree> intel have opensourced and GPLd their main stuff :)
[04:47] <NthDegree> rich_mon: read the howto
[04:47] <__mikem> NthDegree, what do you mean, I just told everyone to blow away their ati card with a gun, how much more support for FOSS do you want
[04:47] <NthDegree> !ati
[04:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:47] <NthDegree> !ati > rich_mon
[04:48] <NthDegree> just incase you didn't read
[04:48] <|lostbyte|> NthDegree, Is it better that nvidia ?
[04:48] <unix_infidel> can you restore the windows mbr from the ubuntu live cd?
[04:48] <NthDegree> |lostbyte|: the open-source drivers are said to be, but the cards are cr@p
[04:48] <NthDegree> unix_infidel: are you insane
[04:48] <NthDegree> unix_infidel: use GRUB and chainload
[04:49] <unix_infidel> NthDegree: i'm trying to restore the windows bootloader for a reason.
[04:49] <NthDegree> unix_infidel: then use the windows recovery console to do it
[04:49] <unix_infidel> was wondering if its possible and how to do it.
[04:49] <|lostbyte|> unix_infidel, Sad to tell you, your stuck with linux for life, j/k
[04:49] <unix_infidel> lostbyte: i dont mind that.
[04:49] <__mikem> this is why I use vmware
[04:49] <unix_infidel> NthDegree: its asking for an admin password which i set and it wont accept.
[04:49] <NthDegree> unix_infidel:  Windows XP CD, boot it - then press R then do the commands fixmbr fixboot
[04:50] <unix_infidel> NthDegree: look above.
[04:50] <NthDegree> ZOMG
[04:50] <unix_infidel> i'd do that if i could getinto recovery console.
[04:50] <NthDegree> you mean you can't download a resource kit and use the commands!?
[04:50] <|lostbyte|> unix_infidel, oh, then the format command in windows with the "/mbr" option
[04:51] <NthDegree> microsoft.com and engage common sense (Windows XP resource kits contain those types of commands)
[04:51] <|lostbyte|> :P
[04:52] <NthDegree> or grab a binary copy of the mbr and rawwrite it
[04:53] <|lostbyte|> YEah, that would be a more linuxphilic way.
[04:54] <__mikem> NthDegree, I signed it, it isn't a big deal
[04:54] <Admiral_Chicago> NthDegree, why not
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i haven't gotten around to it yet but i'm on a LoCo
[04:57] <rcmn> does anyone know a programme that would read my directory reconize the type of file (audio format mp3,wav,etc...) and reencode the way i need.,
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> rcmn, depending on the formats, you don't want to do that
[04:59] <Admiral_Chicago> like its from mp3 to ogg
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i use mpeg321 for my stuff
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> but it's mostly for mp3 to wav
[05:01] <|lostbyte|> rcmn, What format do you want it to convert to ?
[05:03] <NthDegree> rcmn, get Audacity
[05:03] <|lostbyte|> NthDegree, That can do ogg ?
[05:04] <NthDegree> then open the MP3 files and save them as OGG or w/e
[05:04] <NthDegree> yeah it can do
[05:04] <|lostbyte|> huh..k
[05:04] <NthDegree> and it doesn't need non-free libs either XD
[05:04] <NthDegree> to open MP3s is considered free on this thing it's wierd
[05:04] <rcmn> oups sorry i had to step away , about the format i would say Mp3
[05:04] <rcmn> just because it's portable
[05:05] <rcmn> audacity does it ?
[05:06] <rcmn> hum i see
[05:06] <rcmn> ok i'll look more into it
[05:07] <root_> well  i followed the ATI driver install instructions but...
[05:08] <rich_mon> fglrxinfo
[05:08] <rich_mon> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:08] <rich_mon> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[05:08] <rich_mon> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:08] <rich_mon> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[05:08] <rich_mon> but as you can see, it didn't take
[05:10] <rich_mon> anyone here who was helping me about 20 minutes ago?
[05:10] <rich_mon> lol   can't remember who i was talking to
[05:10] <rich_mon> sry
[05:10] <rich_mon> about the ATI driver install
[05:10] <Admiral_Chicago> rich_mon, what is the problem now
[05:10] <rich_mon> well  i followed the ATI driver install instructions but...
[05:11] <Admiral_Chicago> yes?
[05:11] <rich_mon> but it didn't take
[05:11] <rich_mon> when i check on the install, it doesn't say what it shoult
[05:11] <rich_mon> it says something about mesa driver
[05:11] <Admiral_Chicago> in adept?
[05:11] <Admiral_Chicago> what is the error?
[05:12] <Admiral_Chicago> use a pastebin if it is long
[05:12] <rich_mon> root@Ubu:~# fglrxinfo
[05:12] <rich_mon> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:12] <rich_mon> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[05:12] <rich_mon> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:12] <rich_mon> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[05:12] <rich_mon> that's 9ot
[05:12] <rich_mon> it
[05:12] <DemonThing> there.
[05:12] <|lostbyte|> rich_mon, glxinfo | grep direct ?
[05:12] <DemonThing> uh ho
[05:12] <DemonThing> hi*
[05:12] <DemonThing> :)
[05:12] <UQlev> rich_mon, what is your CPU?
[05:13] <Admiral_Chicago> rich_mon, did you install the propiety driver or vesa
[05:13] <rich_mon> it
[05:13] <rich_mon> direct rendering: No
[05:13] <rich_mon> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:13] <rich_mon> amd 2700
[05:13] <rich_mon> ati 9700 pro
[05:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i think vesa is the OS version
[05:13] <rcmn> nthdegree: audacity is an audio editor not an ripper on the fly
[05:13] <DemonThing> I have a question. I'm on a laptop with both wireless and wired ethernet. How do I configure stuff so that when the wired ethernet is connected, it uses that? (grabbing packages over wireless is slow :P)
[05:13] <UQlev> rich_mon, 32 or 64 bit?
[05:13] <rich_mon> 32
[05:13] <NthDegree> rcmn, i know
[05:14] <rich_mon> ya i just did the install according to the wiki
[05:14] <UQlev> rich_mon, easyubuntu has ati driver and installs it easily
[05:14] <NthDegree> rcmn, you can rip using anything audacity will allow you to convert
[05:14] <rich_mon> well actually, i used easy ubuntu previously
[05:14] <NthDegree> otherwise you'll just have WAV files that are very big usually
[05:14] <Admiral_Chicago> rich_mon, or you can do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:14] <rcmn> i could use lame with a script as well but what i need is a mass ripper if u see what i mean
[05:15] <Hobbsee> DemonThing: happens automagically with knetworkmanager
[05:15] <DemonThing> I still have wireless connected, though
[05:15] <DemonThing> so it still all goes through that
[05:15] <Kr4t05> KDE4 shall pwn the world. :D
[05:15] <DemonThing> :D
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> and change driver to flgx or whatever it is
[05:16] <rich_mon> ya. i actually did that
[05:16] <DemonThing> fglrx
[05:16] <rich_mon> i went into xorg.conf and configured it there
[05:16] <rcmn> Demonthing: if it doesn't just do sudo ifconfig eth0 down (to put wired down) or sudo ifconfig ath0 down (for wireless down)
[05:16] <rich_mon> i added the fglrx parts
[05:16] <_Dink> did you blacklist fglrx ?
[05:16] <DemonThing> ahh, right
[05:16] <rich_mon> no not that i know of
[05:16] <rich_mon> what is that?
[05:17] <_Dink> its where fglrx wont be able to get into any bars/clubs
[05:17] <_Dink> put it on a blacklist and they wont let it in
[05:18] <_Dink> its in linux-restricted-modules-common I think
[05:18] <Hobbsee> DemonThing: it shouldnt
[05:18] <rcmn> Demonthing: to get it up " sudo ifconfig eth0 up $$ dhcpclient eth0 " (to get wired up ) or " sudo ifconfig ath0 up $$ dhcpclient ath0 " (to get wireless running)
[05:18] <Kr4t05> NO!
[05:18] <_Dink> add fglrx to it
[05:19] <Nereid`laptop`af> er
[05:19] <Nereid`laptop`af> poop on Konversation :)
[05:19] <rich_mon> Dink are you talking to me? lol
[05:19] <_Dink> yes
[05:19] <rcmn> Demonthing replace the "$$" By "&&"
[05:19] <rich_mon> are you joking about blacklisting the criver i'm trying to use?
[05:19] <rich_mon> driver?
[05:19] <_Dink> no im not
[05:20] <DemonThing> alright I got it, thanks.
[05:20] <rcmn> k
[05:20] <_Dink> DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx"
[05:20] <rich_mon> so to use fglrx, i have to black list it?
[05:20] <_Dink> which howto are you following ?
[05:20] <rich_mon> the ubuntu ati
[05:20] <_Dink> if you building your own package etc... you should yes
[05:21] <rich_mon> i'm running ubuntu
[05:21] <rich_mon> I'm trying to get ut2004 to play
[05:21] <rcmn> so anyone about the mass reencoding audio ?
[05:21] <rich_mon> I'm not having a lot of luck yet
[05:21] <_Dink> which card do you have ?
[05:21] <rich_mon> 9700 pro
[05:21] <_Dink> ill trade you my 9600 and ill get yours to work ?
[05:21] <rich_mon> AMD 2700
[05:22] <rich_mon> idk
[05:22] <rich_mon> ya sure
[05:22] <rich_mon> lol
[05:22] <_Dink> lol
[05:22] <_Dink> yea ive gotten mine to work 99.9%
[05:22] <rcmn> ya ? lol
[05:22] <rcmn> minnesota
[05:22] <_Dink> damn 3d acceleration fails on cedega
[05:22] <rich_mon> well, that would be nice
[05:22] <rich_mon> are u using ubuntu?
[05:22] <_Dink> it works on 2.6.17 kernel but not .15
[05:23] <_Dink> kubuntu same difference
[05:23] <rich_mon> Dink, i'm new to linux stuff  so i won't necessarily get your references   lol
[05:24] <rich_mon> well, anyways, it seems that I ought to be able to get this to work
[05:24] <_Dink> edit that file I told you
[05:24] <rich_mon> I thought my hardware would support it qauite well
[05:24] <rich_mon> ok, what is the edit?
[05:25] <rich_mon> what file? xorg.conf?
[05:25] <_Dink> you have to edit that yes
[05:25] <rich_mon> ok
[05:25] <_Dink> and the linux-restricted something that I posted earlier
[05:26] <_Dink> if forum was up i would post you the ati installer script
[05:26] <_Dink> which works really well
[05:26] <_Dink> well only if you know when to catch it if it errors out :P
[05:26] <rich_mon> i don't know nothing
[05:27] <rcmn> yep u're root
[05:27] <rcmn> lol
[05:27] <NthDegree> !source-o-matic
[05:27] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:27] <rich_mon> ya, i know
[05:27] <rich_mon> but anyways, what are the edits?
[05:28] <_Dink> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235145
[05:29] <_Dink> good luck
[05:29] <_Dink> and bewarned it doesnt catch errors... you have to do it yourself
[05:29] <_Dink> but it basically does the edits for you
[05:30] <_Dink> it pretty much does this... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-26e8b0d4be861a6b7c545dc21c45232f909d8ca2
[05:30] <_Dink> im out for the night... hopefully tomorrow someone can help me with my ati problem :P
[05:31] <rcmn> what ati ?
[05:32] <rcmn> 9600 ?
[05:34] <rich_mon> thank Sink
[05:34] <rich_mon> Dinkl
[05:36] <rredd4> are the updates safe to download?
[05:40] <flaccid> how can i kill a process that want die when i do kill pid
[05:44] <|lostbyte|> flaccid, killall -9 <programname>
[05:45] <flaccid> thanks i forgot about that one :)
[05:56] <ryan_> is it possible to change premissions of a file and all its contents
[05:56] <rich_mon> back from installing ATI vid driver with a script.    still not quite working
[05:56] <DaSkreech> ryan_: What?
[05:57] <rich_mon> fglrxinfo
[05:57] <rich_mon> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:57] <rich_mon> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[05:57] <rich_mon> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:57] <rich_mon> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[05:57] <rich_mon> i think i should have seen something other than Mesa, no?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Did you change it to fglrx?
[05:58] <rich_mon> in xorg.conf?
[05:58] <rich_mon> ya
[05:59] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[06:00] <rich_mon> when i enter fglrxinfo, i'm supposed to see something about ati drivers, but i get the Mesa info instead
[06:00] <rich_mon> so that tells me it's not right
[06:00] <rich_mon> right?
[06:01] <rich_mon> i've tried this 3 different ways now   lol
[06:01] <rich_mon> i'm getting to know how not to install ati drivers pretty well now
[06:02] <rich_mon> next i'll try it in russian
[06:03] <ryan_> some how my drive and all its files' permissions got changed is there anyway to change them all with one command
[06:03] <rich_mon> i've tried the update that comes with Ubuntu, the EasyUbuntu method and now the script method
[06:03] <rich_mon> 3 up ,  3 down
[06:03] <rich_mon> side retired
[06:03] <rich_mon> lol
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Does glxgears run?
[06:03] <rich_mon> yep
[06:04] <rich_mon> that was really exciting   lol
[06:04] <actinic> fps in glxgears?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> ryan_:You want a file or your drive changed?
[06:04] <rich_mon> well, i think it's a config problem, but im not to sure
[06:04] <ryan_> the file that my drive is mounted in
[06:04] <rich_mon> how do i check fps in glxgears?
[06:05] <actinic> glxgears -fps
[06:05] <ryan_> i know how to do each file one by one but that will take forever
[06:05] <actinic> correction: glxgears -printfps
[06:05] <DaSkreech> ryan_: How do you do one file?
[06:06] <ryan_> right clicking on the file and going in to the properties...im a nob
[06:07] <actinic> ryan_, right click on folder.
[06:07] <DaSkreech> ryan_: Ahhh :) What are you changing the properties to?
[06:07] <rich_mon> 222 fps in glxgears
[06:07] <Telroth_Plushie|> actinic, it's glxgears -info (i'm using edgy though)
[06:07] <NthDegree> rich_mon: that is fine
[06:07] <rich_mon> ok
[06:08] <NthDegree> some people get 15000fps but anything above 50 usually indicates 3d acceleration is working
[06:08] <actinic> Telroth_Plushie|, glxgears -prinftps works just fine
[06:08] <actinic> what vid card rich_mon ?
[06:08] <NthDegree> actinic, so does glxgears --i-agree-this-is-not-a-benchmark -fps or w/e
[06:08] <ryan_> to let everyone on my network read and wriite
[06:08] <rich_mon> ya, well i still think my video card is configured ....   9700 pro
[06:09] <NthDegree> rich_mon:
[06:09] <rich_mon> ya?
[06:09] <NthDegree> there's a way to tell 1 sec
[06:09] <rich_mon> 9700 PRO
[06:09] <rich_mon> might as well be a jaton 4mb
[06:09] <rich_mon> my first video card
[06:09] <rich_mon> hehe
[06:09] <patrick_> hey anyone know where i should put a deb if i want aptitide to find it for a reinstall?
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> patrick_,  its from the repos?
[06:10] <DaSkreech> ryan_: I can help you to get access to your stuff if you give me more info
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> the apt cache is in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:11] <patrick_> Dr.Willis . nooo i have a package
[06:11] <patrick_> i put it there and it says it cant find it.
[06:11] <ryan_> DaSkreech: what do you need
[06:11] <actinic> NthDegree, how long did it take to type " --i-agree-this-is-not-a-benchmark -fps". ;p;
[06:11] <actinic> lol
[06:11] <DaSkreech> ryan_: Where is the folder you are trying to change?
[06:11] <NthDegree> lol
[06:11] <patrick_> Dr_Willis >E: I wasn't able to locate file for the lg3d-core package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[06:11] <NthDegree> it's something funny like that
[06:12] <DaSkreech> It's iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark
[06:12] <actinic> there ya go
[06:12] <ryan_> DaSkreech:/home/ryan/Drives/80GB
[06:12] <patrick_> Dr_Willis >i put it in there already
[06:12] <rich_mon> ok, well i still don't think i'm configured to use the ati driver
[06:12] <actinic> DaSkreech, now type that 20 times quickly, lol
[06:12] <patrick_> Dr_Willis >still cant find it
[06:12] <DaSkreech> ryan_: Who owns that folder?
[06:12] <NthDegree>  iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark
[06:12] <ryan_> i do
[06:12] <DaSkreech> iacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmarkiacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmarkiacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmarkiacknowledgethistoolisnotabenchmark
[06:12] <NthDegree> you could flood with that ZOMG
[06:12] <actinic> :)
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> patrick_,  did this pacakge come from some repo you got in your sources.list or did you just download it from some random site?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Not as young as I used to be
[06:13] <DaSkreech> ryan_: What permissons are you changing?
[06:13] <actinic> iamnotageek iamnotageek iamnotageek iamnotageek
[06:14] <rich_mon> is running ati drivers on linux always this hard?
[06:14] <actinic> why yes, yes it is
[06:15] <rich_mon> lol
[06:15] <patrick_> Downloaded from suns website
[06:15] <rich_mon> i knew it
[06:15] <saasdasd> u
[06:15] <ryan_> DaSkreech: i want to be able to read and write to it freely from another computer with out a password
[06:15] <patrick_> Dr_Willis >Doesnloaded ffmo suns wbsite and ever since apt-get and aptitude wont work at all saying it needs to be reisntalled.
[06:15] <RnB-Tunes> http://www.RnB-Tunes.dl.am << new RnB, Hip Hop, Dancehall Tracks!!! free Download... CHECK IT!!!!
[06:16] <DaSkreech> !kops
[06:16] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[06:16] <actinic> spam!
[06:16] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ?
[06:16] <DaSkreech> RnB-Tunes: needs a boot :)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> RnB-Tunes: please dont spam
[06:16] <DaSkreech> It's a bot
[06:16] <actinic> crap, spam even in irc channels
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Or a script kiddie
[06:16] <DaSkreech>  Either way
[06:17] <Hobbsee> [14:16]  [Whois]  RnB-Tunes is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(podster.de Web-Client)
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Joined and said that in the same second
[06:17] <BlueFox> what is the command to install a program again..... yes im a NooBlet
[06:17] <rich_mon> ok well maybe this is poking a bee hive with a stick, but how about    Mx518 and the IMWheel
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> patrick_,  what you are trying to do wont work..  why dont ya just manually install that .deb ?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> BlueFox: Apt-get or adept
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> rich_mon,  i got that mouse. :P i like it..
[06:17] <BlueFox> sudo apt-get install <program>?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> BlueFox: Yup
[06:17] <BlueFox> thank you
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> rich_mon,  cant recall ever needing imwheel. but i dont use the extra buttons much.
[06:17] <rich_mon> $10000000000   if you help me get it to work
[06:17] <DaSkreech> ryan_: What do you mean another computer?
[06:18] <rich_mon> u take paypal?
[06:18] <patrick_> Dr_Willis > gives erros wont install
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> rich_mon,   go to the gentoo wikis they cover it.
[06:18] <DemonThing`> rich_mon: first you need to set the mouse protocol to ExplorerPS/2
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> rich_mon,  and that "ubuntu hacks" book has a chapter.. and the ubuntu wiki proberly dies as well
[06:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> if someone wants to go fix azureus in edgy, i'll give them a cookie
[06:18] <DemonThing`> you can do that when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:18] <DemonThing`> er, that lets you choose it
[06:18] <DemonThing`> but yeah, consult gentoo wiki :)
[06:19] <rafael> hello
[06:19] <DemonThing`> they have a good article on it
[06:19] <rich_mon> i have it set to Esplorer/PS2 and i got the back buttons to work
[06:19] <DaSkreech> hi
[06:19] <DemonThing`> Hi rafael
[06:19] <rafael> I can't figure out where I change it so I can switch workspaces through the keyboard
[06:19] <rich_mon> I need the wheel to work when I press down ,
[06:19] <actinic> wow, 252 online and everyone's talking at once!
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> rafael,  gee. i just set the  mouse wheel to change  workspaces
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> i move to the panel.. and scroll the wheel
[06:20] <DaSkreech> rafael: tryCtrl+F<n>
[06:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> rafael, it's keyboard shortcuts
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> under gnome - i go to the little mini-desktops applet and scroll
[06:20] <rafael> I don't have a mouse wheel on my laptop touchpad :(
[06:20] <DaSkreech> ryan_: What do you mean another computer?
[06:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> ctrl+F<n> works
[06:20] <rafael> DaSkreech: it worked :)
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> rafael,  Egads! the humanity! :P
[06:20] <ryan_> DaSkreech: i have a moded xbox that i can streem video and some how when i reinstalled the permissions changed or i did something to change them so i cant streem
[06:20] <rafael> Telroth_Plushie|: where can I find those keyboard shortcuts?
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> rafael,  i wonder if my laptops touchpad scroll area works for that.
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Hmm Ok so what are you changing them to?
[06:21] <DemonThing`> Dr_Willis: I just tried it on this laptop and it works :)
[06:21] <ryan_> ive just been checking all the boxes in the advanced permissions menu
[06:22] <morcego> alguem aqui fala portugus?
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> DemonThing`,  heh heh
[06:22] <rafael> Telroth_Plushie|: where's the keyboard shortcuts? I'm rather new to kde :(
[06:22] <DemonThing`> also fun with the tabs in Konqueror or Konversation
[06:22] <DaSkreech> ryan_: and then you can stream?
[06:22] <rafael> morcego: eu
[06:22] <ryan_> yeah
[06:23] <morcego> rafael: como eu instalo os codec pra rodar mp3?
[06:23] <rafael> morcego: pvt
[06:23] <morcego> tem em add/remover mas no da pra marcar!
[06:23] <DaSkreech> ryan_: ok so do one at a time till you know which one works
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> !kubuntu-es
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Then I'll tell you how to set all the files with that
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-es - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <DaSkreech> !es
[06:23] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> !es
[06:23] <ryan_> i network with samba and i sign in to the linux computer with my normal log on
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> lol
[06:23] <morcego> rafael:
[06:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> rafael, kcontrol -> keyboard & mouse -> keyboard shortcuts
[06:24] <DaSkreech> !es > morcego
[06:26] <ryan_> DaSkreech: is smb://username:password@ipadress/shared file directory
[06:26] <DaSkreech> ryan_: This is from the XBox Drive I take it?
[06:26] <ryan_> yeah
[06:27] <ryan_> DaSkreech:wate no its from the xbox to the computer
[06:27] <actinic> keyboard shortcuts:  found in kcontrol > regional & accessibility
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Right From the Xbox
[06:27] <DaSkreech> in advanced do you have R checked?
[06:27] <ryan_> ok then yeah
[06:28] <DaSkreech> You should't need W or X checked
[06:28] <DaSkreech> but the three levels of R should be checked
[06:28] <ryan_> ok
[06:28] <DaSkreech> In some file you haven't done yet of course :)
[06:28] <DaSkreech> I'm asking if that's true
[06:29] <rich_mon> gentoo wiki doesn't specifically lay it out for Mx518 mouse  :(
[06:29] <ryan_> its every file even the avi files that i dont have permission
[06:29] <ryan_> im wanting to change them all at once if possible
[06:30] <DemonThing`> rich_mon: I think it's the same as for the 510
[06:30] <DaSkreech> ryan_: Right I'm asking on a file that you currently can't stream are the checkmarks under R on or off?
[06:30] <ryan_> of
[06:30] <ryan_> off*
[06:30] <DemonThing`> turn them on then :P
[06:30] <rich_mon> the part im missing is for the use of the middle button, as when i push it'
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Ok turn them on and then try again
[06:31] <ryan_> DemonThing theres like 200 files
[06:31] <DaSkreech> ryan_: Just do one file and if it works I'll show you how to do that
[06:31] <DemonThing> chmod a+r *
[06:31] <rich_mon> DemonThing:  i  have i mostly configured, all except the middle button push
[06:31] <ryan_> once i turn them on i can streem
[06:32] <DaSkreech> ryan_: Schweet Ok on a konsole browse to ~/Drives
[06:32] <rich_mon> DemonThing:   does Ubuntu recognize back button when navigating through folders?
[06:32] <DemonThing> find -type f | xargs chmod a+r
[06:32] <DaSkreech> and type chmod +r -R 80GB/
[06:32] <DemonThing> rich_mon: don't know, I don't use ubuntu on my desktop with the 518
[06:33] <rich_mon> k
[06:33] <ryan_> ok
[06:33] <ryan_> done
[06:33] <DaSkreech> ryan_: Or right clikc the 80GB folder
[06:33] <morcego> how to install mp3 codec on Kubuntu?
[06:33] <rich_mon> easy ubuntu
[06:33] <actinic> !mp3
[06:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:33] <DaSkreech> -> properties -> permissions -> check change all sub folders and files -> advanced permissions -> put on the checkmarks -> ok
[06:34] <DaSkreech> morcego: install libxine-extracodecs from the multiverse repository
[06:34] <DemonThing> Is there a keyboard shortcut for changing tabs in Konqueror besides ctrl+pageup and pagedown?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> morcego: If you need spanish help type /join #kubuntu-es
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+[ and Ctrl + ]
[06:34] <morcego> how to install in APT?
[06:34] <ryan_> DaSkreech: thanks you have been a big help
[06:35] <DemonThing> DaSkreech: unfortunately that's not working :/
[06:35] <actinic> and if you need help in pig latin type /join #oink
[06:35] <morcego> the lbxine-extracodecs
[06:35] <DaSkreech> morcego: apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:35] <DaSkreech> DemonThing: What's not working?
[06:35] <DemonThing> oh well, I'll just use ctrl+pageup/down :)
[06:35] <DemonThing> ctrl+[ and ctrl+]  in Konqueror
[06:35] <DaSkreech> morcego: sudo  apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:35] <DaSkreech>  :)
[06:35] <DemonThing> oh well
[06:35] <DemonThing> :)
[06:35] <dein> do you guys happen to know where my keys are?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> !keys
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <dein> !keys
[06:36] <DemonThing> or I can just go under Configure Shortcuts and add alt-left and alt-right
[06:36] <DemonThing> :P
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <DemonThing> ah ctrl+, and ctrl+. do it too
[06:36] <DemonThing> handy :)
[06:36] <dein> the ubuntu linux community is supposed to be supportive
[06:36] <dein> this really makes me mad
[06:36] <dein> i quit linux now
[06:36] <DaSkreech> dein: WHich keys?
[06:37] <dein> car keys
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Ah try in the car
[06:37] <DaSkreech> and it's spelt kar :)
[06:37] <actinic> hey, they're in your trowsers next to your girlfriend
[06:37] <actinic> she took them from you ... you were too drunk
[06:37] <dein> only if the car is made by kde
[06:37] <DaSkreech> actinic: Please read teh COC
[06:38] <Parkotron> Hello all. I'm looking for an email client that will let me redirect (not forward) an entire mail account to another address. Any ideas?
[06:38] <actinic> !COC
[06:38] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:38] <actinic> !DOA
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Parkotron: have you tried kmail?
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about DOA - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <Parkotron> DaSkreech: KMail will forward individual messages but not more than one at a time.
[06:39] <actinic> i read it, don't like it
[06:39] <Parkotron> I've tried Thunderbird, KMail, and Evolution but none of them will do it.
[06:39] <DaSkreech> dein: It's not a KDE kar?
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Parkotron: Which one do you like the best?
[06:40] <warpzone> wow, switched to KDE a little over a week ago and after some initial frustration its pretty impressive
[06:40] <DaSkreech> warpzone: tried Alt+Space ?
[06:41] <Parkotron> DaSkreech: I was a long time Thunderbird user (ie before I came to KDE) but GMail has replaced my need for an email client.
[06:41] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:41] <dein> no
[06:41] <flaccid> Opera will replace your need for Gmail :p
[06:41] <DaSkreech> dein: Hmm maybe #ubuntu can help then :)
[06:41] <warpzone> DaSkreech: whoa
[06:42] <dein> open source cars would be bad, because then people could start it without your password
[06:42] <actinic> Opera's fantastic
[06:42] <DaSkreech> ha ha ha
[06:42] <DaSkreech> dein: Eh?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> people would want their cars to autostart...
[06:42] <flaccid> dein: lol. cept there is encryption
[06:42] <warpzone> question though, is there a way to use the Windows key on a keyboard for shortcuts? Every time I assign it to something it switches back
[06:43] <dein> ok bye
[06:43] <dein> im hungry
[06:43] <Parkotron> My situation is that my girlfriend just graduated from university and consequently her university email is about to expire. She'd like to move all the mail to her new account, but forwarding it is ugly: the dates and from address are all changed. Lots of clients let you forward one email at a time but I need to move the entire mailbox.
[06:44] <DaSkreech> warpzone: I just use it for amarok
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Parkotron: well maybe you want to ask in #thunderbird
[06:44] <Parkotron> warpzone: Try this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120001
[06:45] <DaSkreech>  how urgent is this?
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> print them all out. :P
[06:45] <Parkotron> DaSkreech: I'm guessing I'll have to resort to some kind of command line client that handles batch jobs.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Parkotron: Possibly but you can join irc.mozilla.org and #thunderbird and ask there
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Possibly tomorrow :) they should be able to give you a solution since they probably have been asked that more than once
[06:46] <Parkotron> DaSkreech: The account is going to expire immediately, but my girlfriend's been on my back for a while now.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> i recall that ubuntu hacks book mentioned using thunderbird under windows - to convert the email to its format.. then copying THAT converted data to the linux system
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Parkotron: IE tonight?
[06:47] <Parkotron> DaSkreech: This week would be soon enough, I'd wager.
[06:47] <warpzone> Parkotron: ooo very helpful thanks
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Well do you know how to add irc.mozilla.org to your IRC client?
[06:48] <Parkotron> Dr_Willis: That's a good approach. Unfortuately the the new account is webmail/POP so I can't just import mail from file.
[06:49] <Parkotron> DaSkreech: I just did. I'll head over there and see if someone can help me. Thanks.
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> pop? cant ya download all the mail  from the pop server? or do you HAVE to use webmail to access them?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> I aint done much email in ages. :)
[06:49] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I am using Skim, and when my computer starts up, it says something about the DCOP not running.  (It actually is running.)  I don't exactly know what's happening.  Though I do have a link to the default scripts in my ~/.xinput.d/ directory.
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Parkotron: Doubt you'll get a huge flow of info tonight but ask around as early as you can tomorrow and you should get a few good pointers
[06:50] <Parkotron> Dr_Willis: I have IMAP/POP/webmail access to the old account, but I don't have IMAP access to the new account so I can't upload to it only download.
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> i was just thinkign store the emails locally.. but heck.. what do i know. :P Its past my bedtime
[06:52] <pierreth> i cannot the users in the kde preferences, what should I do?
[06:52] <pierreth> i cannot see, i mean
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Ertain: Where does it say dcop is not runing?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> you mean 'users & groups' item/icon pierreth ?
[06:56] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: yes
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> odd
[06:56] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: I am in French
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> Egads! you are in French!  . :P
[06:56] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: I was playing with users and groups
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> My brother law is from France. :)
[06:57] <pierreth> cool
[06:57] <Ertain> DaSkreech: it says it as my desktop is booting up.
[06:57] <pierreth> but i am from canada
[06:58] <pierreth> i changed the group of my user pierreth to users
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Ertain: Did it start doing this after you did something?
[06:58] <pierreth> it was pierreth:pierreth before
[06:58] <pierreth> i deleted the group pierreth
[06:59] <leonrott> hi
[06:59] <DaSkreech> hello
[06:59] <leonrott> how can i probe my ftp??
[06:59] <pierreth> can i do a reinstall to repair?
[07:00] <warpzone> apt-get install -f i think
[07:00] <DaSkreech> With a probulator (obvious futurama joke)
[07:00] <DaSkreech> leonrott: What do you mean?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> Bam!
[07:00] <Ertain> DaSkreech: I can't exactly remember what I did.  I did install Skim, of course, and looked on Kubuntu.com to figure out how to exactly make it work (since it wasn't working).  I think I changed something in my /etc/X11/xinput directory, but I can't remember.
[07:00] <warpzone> oops came in at the wrong time
[07:01] <leonrott> DaSkreech: i can see in my localhost but outside not
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: Ha aha ha :) Cheese it!
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Ertain: Skim is installed by default
[07:02] <DaSkreech> leonrott: You can ftp into yourself but not from outside?
[07:02] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: no idea?
[07:03] <Ertain> How odd.  :-/  Anyway, at first, when I installed it, it didn't work.  I had to tweak the $LC_CTYPE variable.  Then I changed something else.  Again, I can't remember. :-(
[07:03] <leonrott> DaSkreech: yes
[07:03] <leonrott> DaSkreech: with apache and ftp it is the same i can see my pages but my friends not
[07:03] <DaSkreech> leonrott: What are you using to ftp?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> leonrott: Ah is your machine behind a router?
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  i am reminded.. that  i cant recall ever using a group for myself. :P
[07:04] <leonrott> DaSkreech: Proftpd
[07:04] <warpzone> okay i cannot find khotkeys to save my life
[07:04] <DaSkreech> warpzone: try System settings
[07:04] <DaSkreech> It's under accesibilty
[07:04] <DaSkreech>  I don't know either
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  cant readd the group? or just make a new user. and copy/chown all the stuff over to the new users homedir. (sounds like a gimmicky fix)
[07:05] <warpzone> DaSkreech: you're right. hmmm slightly misleading. thanks!
[07:06] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: I can do what I want at the command line, but in kControl, I have this error: Impossible to load the module name 'Users and Group'
[07:08] <Parkotron> warpzone: It's been renamed Input Actions in KDE 3.5. It's under Regions and Accessibility
[07:10] <Parkotron> I think mutt can handle my mail problem. It took me a while to find it because it uses the term "bounce" instead of "redirect".
[07:10] <warpzone> Parkotron: roger doger, and thanks
[07:10] <leonrott> DaSkreech: humm how can i know that? is it probably my isp do that??
[07:10] <DaSkreech> leonrott: How do you connect to the internet?
[07:11] <leonrott> DaSkreech: humm by dsl
[07:12] <DaSkreech> leonrott: safe to say you are behind a router then :) DSL Modems act as routers
[07:15] <pierreth> how can i activate su?
[07:15] <pkarticle> you can type sudo before each command you want to execute as root
[07:16] <pierreth> pkarticle: yes i know
[07:16] <DaSkreech> pierreth: sudo -i but don't abuse it
[07:16] <pierreth> why su is not working?
[07:16] <we6jbo> Hi
[07:16] <we6jbo> I have a question
[07:17] <pierreth> DaSkreech: OK, this is working
[07:17] <pkarticle> pierreth: you can start a root shell by clicking the session menu and then New Root Shell
[07:17] <DaSkreech> !ask
[07:17] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:17] <pkarticle> oh ok you got it
[07:17] <we6jbo> How do I play runescape on kubuntu?
[07:18] <pierreth> pkarticle: OK
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Ah.. umm
[07:18] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:18] <DaSkreech> whats runescape?
[07:18] <we6jbo> It's a game on the internet that needs java to play
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Ah ok It's a Java game?
[07:19] <we6jbo> I'm using firefox but it won't let me type in my user name and password
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Have you installed Java?
[07:20] <we6jbo> I play it on my other computer at school but I want to play now and it won't let me type in my user name and password
[07:20] <DaSkreech> leonrott: You are going to have to poke holes in your router
[07:20] <we6jbo> it's at www.runescape.com I don't know why it won't let me type in my user name and password
[07:20] <DaSkreech> leonrott: Either call your ISP or google for Port forwarding and your DSL Modem's model number
[07:21] <rich_mon> DBO:  back
[07:21] <hussam> any program like firestarter for kde?
[07:21] <DaSkreech> we6jbo: Have you installed Java?
[07:21] <we6jbo> and I'm using fire fox
[07:21] <we6jbo> yes
[07:22] <DaSkreech> hussam: How about firestarter? :)
[07:22] <DaSkreech> And you did the sudo update-alternatives ?
[07:22] <warpzone> whelp Im out for the night, thanks for the help guys n gals
[07:22] <leonrott> DaSkreech: thanks its very rare problem my friends have the same configuration and they runs apache :S
[07:22] <hussam> DaSkreech, that's a gnome one. I need a kde one
[07:22] <rich_mon> DBO:  still says Mesa at fglrxinfo
[07:23] <DaSkreech> leonrott: Well all I can tell you is that your IP doesn't seem to have anything running on Port 80 which is likely for a DSL modem
[07:23] <we6jbo> Holy cow it finally worked I don't know what I did but it works finally gee
[07:24] <DaSkreech> we6jbo: :-) Glad to hear
[07:24] <protostar_> hello
[07:24] <leonrott> DaSkreech: humm i'll go to search about that thanks DaSkreech
[07:24] <protostar_> anyone know how to change themes in Kubuntu?
[07:24] <protostar_> cause I can't find the option to do so
[07:24] <DaSkreech> leonrott: Sure no problem
[07:24] <DaSkreech> protostar_: Try in System Settings
[07:24] <protostar_> I'm there
[07:25] <protostar_> I see where to change the KDM theme
[07:25] <protostar_> but not the system theme
[07:27] <DaSkreech> protostar_: Well ... I don't know that KDE has a one button theme like Gnome
[07:27] <protostar_> I remember doing it in Suse
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Well you have Kthemes I]  admit
[07:30] <protostar_> ok
[07:30] <protostar_> thx for your help
[07:46] <hussam> DaSkreech, firestarter won't run on edgy
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Ah that sucketh
[07:52] <Healot> You arson :)
[07:53] <nixternal> [00:46:31]  <hussam> DaSkreech, firestarter won't run on edgy
[07:53] <nixternal> it ran for me just this week
[07:53] <nixternal> i had to demo a system, and i only had wireless on my lappy
[07:53] <nixternal> so i created a quick crossover cable
[07:53] <nixternal> and ran firestarter, and it saved the day ;)
[07:54] <nixternal> and now
[08:02] <|lostbyte|> How to i check for updates from cli ?
[08:02] <osiris> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:03] <|lostbyte|> osiris, huh ? i was looking forward to see if there is an update for a specific version.
[08:04] <osiris> ah
[08:04] <DaSkreech> |lostbyte|: Or a specific package?
[08:05] <|lostbyte|> DaSkreech, yes, want to query
[08:05] <osiris> apt-cache search ?
[08:05] <DaSkreech> I think it's apt-cache policy
[08:06] <DaSkreech> It should show the installed version and the candidate version which will be higher if there is a newer version
[08:07] <dragos> yo
[08:07] <dragos> jest ktos
[08:07] <dragos> ?
[08:08] <dragos> yo
[08:08] <dragos> jest ktos?
[08:08] <dragos> yo
[08:08] <dragos> deb
[08:08] <draik> anyone here having issues with frostwire not loading?
[08:08] <dragos> i have problrem
[08:08] <osiris> do you have java ?
[08:08] <dragos> problem somone help me ?
[08:09] <osiris> draik,
[08:09] <draik> osiris,
[08:09] <dragos> give me comend to install my nividia
[08:09] <dragos> this file name
[08:09] <dragos> nvidia-installer.log
[08:09] <dragos> how to install this i don't know
[08:09] <dragos> ?
[08:09] <DaSkreech> dragos: Which language?
[08:09] <dragos> me?
[08:09] <osiris> dragos, thats a log file.  you dont install those
[08:10] <dragos> somobody
[08:10] <dragos> know where i
[08:10] <dragos> search
[08:10] <dragos> file to my
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> DaSkreech, policy, yeah it will hard.. Only if it was a one liner
[08:10] <dragos> nvidia?
[08:10] <dragos> i need to instal graphic
[08:10] <osiris> stop pasting 1 or 2 words at a time Dragnslcr
[08:10] <|lostbyte|> be*
[08:10] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[08:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:10] <osiris> er
[08:10] <osiris> dragos,
[08:10] <thoreauputic> !enter
[08:10] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[08:10] <DaSkreech> dragos: Yes you :)
[08:11] <dragos> where i can take this file nvidia? ;> say plx i need install graphic
[08:11] <DaSkreech> French?
[08:11] <draik> osiris, you were saying?
[08:11] <draik> yes I do
[08:11] <DaSkreech> dragos: Which language do you speak we can send you to the right people to ask
[08:11] <osiris> try running frostwire from the CLI, is there an error ?
[08:12] <draik> let me check
[08:12] <dragos> me are poland
[08:12] <DaSkreech> !pl
[08:12] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[08:12] <DaSkreech> I think >_<
[08:12] <draik> osiris, You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[08:13] <DaSkreech> dragos: try /join #ubuntu-pl
[08:14] <osiris> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre   draik
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Though that's not a lot of folks in there :(
[08:14] <draik> It's installed, latest version
[08:14] <osiris> hmm
[08:14] <dragos> root@dragos-desktop:~# apt-get install "nvidia-installer.log"
[08:14] <dragos> Czytanie list pakietw... Gotowe
[08:14] <dragos> Budowanie drzewa zalenoci... Gotowe
[08:14] <dragos> E: Nie udao si odnale pakietu nvidia-installer.log
[08:14] <dragos> error
[08:14] <dragos> can find file pakiets invifdia-installer.
[08:14] <Healot> holy polska!
[08:15] <dragos> some help me ;/
[08:15] <osiris> draik, i guess i uninstalled it
[08:15] <draik> osiris, java version "1.4.2"
[08:15] <osiris> gimme a sec
[08:15] <draik> ok
[08:15] <osiris> !frostwire > osiris
[08:15] <DaSkreech> dragos: type /join #ubuntu-pl
[08:15] <DaSkreech> !pl
[08:15] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[08:16] <DaSkreech> dragos: If you can't get them today try tomorrow. They can help
[08:16] <DaSkreech> !nvidia > dragos
[08:17] <osiris> quick question, is there a -U option (update) for dpkg ? or does dpkg -i update if already installed ?
[08:18] <osiris> im used to rpm's
[08:18] <flaccid> osiris: apt-get update to update list of updates
[08:18] <flaccid> apt-get upgrade to fetch updates from update list
[08:18] <osiris> nope
[08:18] <flaccid> nope?
[08:18] <osiris> looking to install a package by hand, and update if its already installed
[08:19] <flaccid> oh
[08:19] <osiris> via dpkg
[08:19] <flaccid> sorry
[08:19] <flaccid> dpkg -i is update as well
[08:19] <draik> dpkg -i should update it if installing a newer version, AFAIK
[08:19] <flaccid> i mean is upgrade if the package is installed already
[08:19] <osiris> rpm had a -I and a -U so i wondered
[08:19] <flaccid> yeah no -U in dpkg, just -i
[08:19] <draik> will only install if newer version too, I think
[08:20] <osiris> thx.  like i said.  comming from many years of rpm's
[08:20] <flaccid> yeah
[08:20] <flaccid> i asked the same question in here when i switched :)
[08:21] <osiris> loads fine here
[08:21] <|lostbyte|> flaccid, -i updates it, automatically. although there is a --update-avail option too.
[08:22] <osiris> draik, must be a java issue on yer end, or try deleting any .files it may have in ~/ and see if that helps
[08:22] <osiris> i got the deb from their site, and it works fine
[08:22] <flaccid> yeah thats what i said
[08:22] <yanis> how can I change that ugly red picture that is displayed when I block a pic from a specific url in Konqueror?
[08:22] <draik> ok
[08:23] <osiris> yanis, use firefox with ad-block
[08:23] <osiris> =)
[08:23] <yanis> but I like konqueror
[08:24] <|lostbyte|> There is adblock for konqueror too.
[08:25] <|lostbyte|> adn there is no red picture.
[08:27] <yanis> where can I find it?
[08:27] <draik> It's kinda weird that I go to java.com and it tells me that I have the latest version of java
[08:30] <dragos> i cant find nvidia for my computer
[08:30] <dragos> i have nvidia riva tnt 32mb
[08:34] <osiris> draik, but do you have jre 1.4.2 (i think ? ) or higher ?
[08:34] <osiris> !java > osiris
[08:35] <draik> I am going through 'sudo update-alternatives --config java' and I'm selecting...
[08:35] <draik> choosing                /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[08:35] <DaSkreech> dragos: The drivers you have should be good then
[08:36] <draik> Was           /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
[08:36] <|lostbyte|> dragos, i think you need the.. nvidia-glx-legacy
[08:36] <dragos> ye i can't find this
[08:36] <dragos> in the
[08:36] <dragos> web
[08:36] <|lostbyte|> dragos, adept has it.
[08:36] <osiris> dragos, try more than one word a line, and have a little patience
[08:37] <dragos> ok i see in trhe web i write here when i find or something
[08:37] <osiris> !nvidia > dragos
[08:38] <osiris> follow those instructions that i just sent to you dragos
[08:38] <draik> osirs, that did the trick
[08:38] <draik> Thank you for your help
[08:38] <draik> much appreciated
[08:38] <osiris> sure
[08:38] <osiris> get yer frosty on
[08:38] <draik> you know it :p
[08:39] <draik> Stay Frosty
[08:42] <osiris> any easy way other than top to see whats using so much bloody ram ?
[08:46] <Healot> free
[08:46] <royal> hi um for a school project i'm trying to install kubuntu on a linux machine. is it possible in any way shape or form to put the ability to play sound back in?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> osiris: it's pretty normal for Linux to use a lot of RAM - it tries to use it in preference to swap at all times
[08:47] <thoreauputic> osiris: the second line of  free -m i s more relevant
[08:47] <thoreauputic> *is
[08:48] <royal> um or would I have to put in a completely different motherboard?
[08:51] <royal> my gateway is a 9310S
[08:52] <royal> ... no one has an answer?
[08:53] <flaccid> whats wrong with the sound, royal?
[08:53] <royal> not playing :P
[08:54] <flaccid> it was working before?
[08:54] <flaccid> !sound
[08:54] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[08:55] <flaccid> double clicking on the volume control, where is this?
[08:56] <Healot> for kubuntu - Kmix;somewhere in the KDE Menu
[08:59] <federico> hello all! can anybody please help me with a wireless card installation?
[08:59] <flaccid> but you can't double click on a menu item
[08:59] <flaccid> and there is no file -> change device in kmix
[08:59] <federico> i searched https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported but no suggestions are available for my cisco aironet 350.. :(
[09:00] <royal> oh. so board audio drivers isn't the issue
[09:01] <federico> please...:(
[09:02] <AegeanLinux> HI ALLL!!!!!!!!!!1
[09:02] <dragos> hiho
[09:02] <AegeanLinux> where does Kubuntu store it's global File Associations ?
[09:02] <dragos> who now where i get nvidia install i need to my coimputer
[09:03] <AegeanLinux> ! nvidia
[09:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:03] <AegeanLinux> ! hello
[09:03] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[09:03] <AegeanLinux> !p0rn
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about p0rn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <AegeanLinux> !gamba
[09:03] <AegeanLinux> !gambas
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gamba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <ubotu> gambas: Visual development environment for the Gambas programming language. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.13-2 (dapper), package size 964 kB, installed size 2256 kB
[09:04] <AegeanLinux> does anyone know where Kubuntu stores it's global File Associations ?
[09:06] <dragos>  nvidia-glx-
[09:06] <royal> ubuto: where is alsa?
[09:06] <dragos> where i find this  file?
[09:06] <AegeanLinux> !alsa
[09:06] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[09:06] <AegeanLinux> !alsa-libs
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsa-libs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <flaccid> AegeanLinux: you can't double click on volume control, and there is no file -> change device
[09:07] <dragos> who have maybe link to nvidia-glx
[09:07] <dragos> to download
[09:08] <AegeanLinux> dragos: heard of this thing called "google" by anychance ?
[09:08] <dragos> i can't find i check ;/
[09:08] <dragos> in the goodle
[09:08] <dragos> google
[09:13] <Healot> !nv
[09:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:13] <Healot> !info ati
[09:13] <ubotu> Package ati does not exist in any distro I know
[09:14] <Healot> !ati
[09:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:19] <ryanr> i am using kate on ubuntu and I am trying to get the "Warn about file being modified" to work, but it doesnt seem to notify me, just curious if I need some other library
[09:23] <dein|non-oss> hey guys
[09:23] <AegeanLinux> hoe dein
[09:23] <dein> what do you think of a laptop i just purchased
[09:23] <AegeanLinux> It looks great!
[09:23] <dein> specs: Intel core duo 1.6ghz
[09:23] <AegeanLinux> (ie , how would I know !!! )
[09:24] <dein> 1 gb ram
[09:24] <dein> etc etc
[09:24] <dein> cost me 1k
[09:24] <dein> good deal or no?
[09:24] <royal> oh for a moment I thought you said core 2 duo
[09:25] <royal> dunno about core 1 duo though
[09:25] <dein> well, its already bought, hopefully it'll serve me well
[09:25] <royal> btw, it doesn't seem to be as so much a problem playing sound as so much a problem playing the mp3 put on it
[09:26] <dein> my desktop died last week, its power supply died and fried my motherboard among other things
[09:28] <royal> I repeat... I'm running kubuntu on a gateway 9310S. I've got it to play dings and dongs, but not the mp3 file I put on the computer.
[09:28] <royal> (this isn't the gateway i'm using btw, this is a homebuilt gaming machine)
[09:28] <dein> are you new to linux royal?
[09:28] <royal> yea
[09:28] <dein> ok
[09:28] <dein> go to adept
[09:28] <dein> or actually one sec
[09:29] <royal> on top of this i'm doing this as a class project.
[09:29] <grothesk> Hi!
[09:29] <royal> hi
[09:29] <dein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:29] <grothesk> How to I implement 'normalize' into k3b?
[09:29] <dein> read that guide, and it will get all your mp3, and other things working
[09:29] <federico> hello! Just 1 question:how can i get the MAC address of my wireless card? Please...
[09:30] <dein> they can't be installed by default thanks to legal issues
[09:30] <dein> federico: iwconfig
[09:30] <grothesk> There is no 'normalize' for ubuntu, but 'normalize-audio' which is not found by k3b...