[13:01] <danilo> gary_poster, hey-hey, welcome :)
[13:03] <gary_poster> hey danilo :-)
[13:03] <danilo> gary_poster, people want to remove our BSFs we just added, and I've been fighting for them to stay :)
[13:03] <gary_poster> danilo, I was just reading your replies
[13:05] <gary_poster> ok cool, danilo.  I guess we need to drop everything and look at this.  I'll be ready after the "delivery" meeting, if that works for you--have you had lunch yet?
[13:05] <danilo> gary_poster, nope, not yet
[13:06] <gary_poster> heh ok
[13:06] <danilo> gary_poster, should I? :)
[13:06] <danilo> "it's going to be a loooong call" :)
[13:06] <gary_poster> heh.  well, this is a bit of a short lunch for you.
[13:06] <gary_poster> you think you can give me something to do while you have lunch after the call?
[13:07] <danilo> yeah, you can probably check if removing LEFT JOIN (and doing a regular JOIN, since we have BSFs for every SS now) will help with the query at all
[13:08] <gary_poster> ok cool
[13:08] <gary_poster> that will probably take all of 10 min, yeah? :-)
[13:08] <danilo> gary_poster, you could also try just hand-crafting equivalent query without subselects and seeing how it performs (especially since staging now has all the BSFs production does)
[13:08] <danilo> gary_poster, yeah, probably :)
[13:08] <gary_poster> heh ok
[13:10] <gary_poster> I actually don't have a strong opinion about not removing the BSFs temporarily.  It seems like it would be easy to remove them (the ones that are empty) and easy to add them back.  Is it more annoying than I think?
[13:10] <danilo> gary_poster, the other one is probably going to take a bit longer and will still end up being a long query with many ORs, but at least it will not be repeated inside the single select
[13:10] <gary_poster> We also could rethink the plan of "vanilla structural subscriptions must have an empty BSF"
[13:11] <gary_poster> But that's a stop-gap, or something like it
[13:11] <danilo> gary_poster, yeah, that's only help in the short-term, if we actually want people to use filters :)
[13:11] <danilo> gary_poster, that's why I am holding out on landing my linking-table branch, because if we rethink that, maybe we'll need a StructuralSubscription reference in there
[13:12] <danilo> gary_poster, so yes, I see it as an option as well
[13:12] <gary_poster> I see
[13:12] <gary_poster> short term: right.  I'm not clear on how bad the short term is.
[13:12] <gary_poster> 5000 timeouts in the past week on this seems like a lot
[13:12] <danilo> yeah, it does
[13:13] <danilo> but that code will need fixing anyway, im(ns)ho
[13:13] <gary_poster> sure
[13:13] <gary_poster> this gives us time while letting people not have the timeout problem
[13:13] <gary_poster> which doesn't seem all bad
[13:13] <danilo> yep, agreed, so let's just do it
[13:14] <danilo> gary_poster, the only thing we need to be careful about is not to remove any non-empty BSFs :)
[13:16] <gary_poster> yeah
[13:16] <gary_poster> I was thinking that the SQL ought not not be too bad for that, but that's coming from someone with rusty SQL
[13:17] <gary_poster> danilo, are you willing to update the bug with our plan?
[13:17] <gary_poster> 1) figure out some SQL to revert the empty BSFs
[13:17] <gary_poster> 2) see how much better we can make the SQL with empty BSFs
[13:18] <gary_poster> 3) consider allowing empty BSFs
[13:18] <gary_poster> I mean removing
[13:18] <gary_poster> that really does still seem wonky :-/
[13:18] <gary_poster> but the rule would not be too bad I guess
[13:21] <gary_poster> danilo, since I don't hear from you, I'll do it.  Stop me if you've started :-)
[13:25] <danilo> gary_poster, I didn't, sorry
[13:25] <gary_poster> np
[13:26] <danilo> gary_poster, want me to figure out the SQL (before the call)?
[13:26] <gary_poster> danilo, +1 thanks
[13:35] <danilo> gary_poster, SQL up at https://pastebin.canonical.com/43954/, is it time for the call? :)
[13:35] <gary_poster> bac, benji, danilo, sorry, was trying to handle the bug and missed our call time.  mumble/kanban now-ish
[13:35] <danilo> heh, good timing, thanks :)
[13:35] <bac> ok
[13:36] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:49] <gary_poster> bac, do you have some time for another call?  I want to give you the high-bandwidth version of my talk with Francis, then I'll broadcast the team with it in a mail
[14:50] <bac> yes
[15:12] <danilo> gary_poster, hi, I am ready whenever you are done with bac :)
[15:47] <danilo> gary_poster, SQL done on production
[16:03] <gary_poster> thank you danilo
[16:04] <danilo> gary_poster, oh, btw, we haven't decided if I go and land my branch for the linking table between BugNotification and BugSubscriptionFilters?
[16:05] <gary_poster> danilo, because the downside is that we are not sure anymore if we want BSFs for everyone, right?
[16:06] <danilo> gary_poster, right, so we might need StructuralSubscription in the table as well (to be able to properly link to "generic" StructuralSubscriptions... or, maybe we can figure those out relatively painlessly as well?)
[16:06] <danilo> gary_poster, there's probably no harm done in landing this, and if needed, we can introduce StructuralSubscription in there later, how does that sound?
[16:06] <gary_poster> danilo +1 I was working myself there :-)
[16:07] <danilo> gary_poster, heh, ok, that's what I'll do
[16:34] <gary_poster> bac, fwiw, dav glass has agreed to continue his support contract, so<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[yui-support] is a great option
[16:34] <bac> gary_poster: ok
[16:55] <gary_poster> danilo, wow; that SQL is *really* redundant.  I have something I'm going to try.  staging is the right db, yeah?
[16:55] <danilo> gary_poster, yep
[16:55] <gary_poster> ok one sec
[17:06] <gary_poster> danilo, I think lines 1-29 are equivalent: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/572256/
[17:06] <gary_poster> Getting output to compare now
[17:06] <gary_poster> this runs in about 160 ms
[17:07] <gary_poster> so roughly factor of 10
[17:07] <gary_poster> when I say "I suspect logic of BugSubscriptionFilterTag is wrong" I mean in the original and this one--both.  Not something I introduced
[17:08] <danilo> gary_poster, yeah, looks about right except that it'd have to be distribution=1 _OR_ distroseries=6 (that's how SSs work, with their constraint on only one being defined)
[17:10] <gary_poster> danilo something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/572257/
[17:11] <danilo> gary_poster, yep
[17:11] <gary_poster> k, comparing
[17:13] <danilo> gary_poster, btw, the tags clause is likely to be correct as well (since the builder only adds clauses that would potentially match the bug, maybe it has no tags or something [whatever would make sense for them not to be added])
[17:15] <gary_poster> danilo, results are identical (modulo ordering, which is not sorted so to be expected)
[17:15] <gary_poster> the original took 1230.808 ms
[17:16] <gary_poster> so danilo, now what do I do :-P
[17:16] <gary_poster> should we have another call so I can be edumacated?
[17:19] <danilo> gary_poster, oh, now you just fix it all :)
[17:19] <danilo> gary_poster, a call is fine :)
[17:19] <gary_poster> :-) ok thanks
[17:27] <benji> I somehow induced a conflict in shipit and naively nuked the directory and ran rocketfuel-get to get it back; it's taking forever (but making progress).
[17:27] <benji> I guess I'll take lunch and hope it gets done soon.
[18:07] <danilo> gary_poster, fwiw, the test in lib/lp/translations/tests/test_translationtemplatescollection.py can give you an idea how to start testing this stuff, though set-up is going to be wildly different :)
[18:17] <danilo> enjoy the weekend all, bye
[20:25] <bac> gary_poster: I have talked to sidnei, posted to canonical-javascripters, and posted to the gallery-accordion forum.  hopefully i'll get some hints.
[20:56] <gary_poster> bac, cool.  I hope we get some bites.  Sidnei did not have anything immediately helpful, I take it?
[20:56] <gary_poster> Ah, I see the report ("could not get their suggestions to work") in the email
[20:57] <bac> gary_poster: not really.  he suggested i investigate the 'contentUpdate' event but it seems to be firing appropriately and adding redundant fires had no effect
[20:58] <gary_poster> ok
[20:58] <gary_poster> too bad


 Hi, I need help, during installation of lubuntu 20.04.2 I got the above notification.Could anyone help? : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e7c44521/file_2834.jpg
 Did you check the media?
 Yes the md5sum has no problem
 It is from usb


[14:15] <mop> hi all, there is a way to trigger a build on launchpad when one of its dependencies is updated ?
[14:16] <mop> s/a build/a build of a project/
[14:17] <cjwatson> that depends on what kind of build.  you might be looking for recipes: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds
[14:23] <mop> cjwatson, I'm managing build of 2 packages and 1 depends on the other
[14:23] <mop> there is a way to rebuild the second if the first is changed ?
[14:24] <cjwatson> oh.  no, not out of the box, although you can often arrange such things with some webservice API scripting.
[14:24] <mop> (I agree with you that if some important change happens A version change and B deps must be updated ...)
[14:24] <cjwatson> why do you need to, though?  usually in such cases dependent packages only need to be rebuilt in quite limited circumstances (a compatibility break).
[14:25] <mop> ;) predictive answer
[14:25] <cjwatson> as such this sort of logic would be very specific to the situation at hand.
[14:26] <mop> My point was: I'm working on the HEAD of both masters ... A change something that breaks B
[14:26] <cjwatson> I know there are some situations where you do need it, e.g. languages with very unstable ABIs.  They should normally be accompanied with very specific dependencies.
[14:26] <mop> currently I must wait the daily build to know it
[14:26] <cjwatson> Anyway, my answer stands: this is something you'd need to arrange externally, although you may well be able to make use of the Launchpad webservice API to do it.
[14:27] <mop> cjwatson, ok tnx
[14:27] <mop> it was a plus, nothing blocking
[14:27] <mop> thank you , always helpful
[14:28] <mop> oh, a question if you know :
[14:28] <mop> I had the feel that the daily recipe run also when no changes happens to a code hosted on your git
[14:29] <cjwatson> Shouldn't in general be true, though there may be the occasional bug that leads to something like that.
[14:29] <mop> is it true or just a wrong impression ?
[14:30] <mop> ok, now I restarted my test so I will monitoring it, tnx again
[14:30] <cjwatson> It only runs when the recipe is internally considered "stale", and the only thing that marks a recipe stale is a push to one of its branches.
[14:31] <cjwatson> It's possible there's a race if you're also triggering builds manually: maybe the stale marker isn't cleared at quite the right point or something.
[14:32] <mop> yes, it was what I supposed, probably I interleaved manual and daily
[20:44] <benjaoming> Is there a work-around for the dput vs gpg2 signing issue? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dput/+bug/1450287
[20:46] <benjaoming> I would guess the work-around is to export one's pubring.kbx to a pubring.gpg as this poster suggests... http://stackoverflow.com/a/34221494/405682 -- also, it seems to work...


[03:20] <xu-help14w> If I'm having some trouble with setting up xubuntu could I ask a question here?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> xu-help14w: Yup - ask :)
[03:26] <xu-help14w> I am trying to set up xubuntu in a UTM VM and it works up until the installation finishes and it says to reboot -- then gets stuck on the ubuntu splash screen forever
[03:37] <torv> xu-help14w: Remove install medium, hit spacebar
[03:38] <xu-help14w> Im not using an install medium -- directly downloaded the iso then used it in UTM. Do I need to use a bootable medium?
[03:41] <torv> xu-help14w: In the past after installation it showed a msg to remove the install medium (e.g. ISO mounted as CD) and hit spacebar to restart. In my experience this hasn't been visible lately but doing so still worked. (Not removing the ISO works too)
[03:42] <torv> xu-help14w: (maybe 't was <Enter> instead)
[03:42] <xu-help14w> I tried enter and it just kicked me back to the try or install screen
[03:43] <torv> xu-help14w: Then you're probably booting from the ISO again. Power off, remove ISO, restart.
[03:43] <xu-help14w> Okay that makes sense. Let me try that.
[03:45] <xu-help14w> Should I eject the ISO before restarting or after?
[03:46] <torv> xu-help14w: Power off, remove ISO, restart. I don't have access to UTM. (I assume you mean the Mac thing.)
[09:56] <xubuntu33i> HELLO
[09:57] <xubuntu33i> :b
[12:56] <homeflore> buon pomeriggio
[12:56] <homeflore> un saluto ai chatters
[14:09] <xubuntu80d> wie kann ich speile istlarieren
[19:42] <xu-help30w> I need help with installing xubuntu
[19:45] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help30w, details?
[19:45] <xu-help30w> Whenever I try to boot into xubuntu it just puts me in the grub
[19:46] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help30w, so you already installed it?
[19:46] <xu-help30w> yes
[19:47] <diogenes_Vx15> ok post a picture of what you see when booting?
[19:51] <xu-help72w> How do I post a picture of me stuck in the grub on this websites
[19:52] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help72w, take a pic with your phone and post to imgur.com
[19:52] <diogenes_Vx15> and share the url.
[19:55] <xu-help72w> https://imgur.com/THBhdXD
[19:57] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help72w, what Xubuntu version is that and how did you write it to USB drive?


[02:41] <harlowja> harmw nearly there, seanb is gonna work on the rc.d script adjustments
[02:42] <harlowja> make them work there, and then it should just work
[02:42] <harlowja> ha
[20:20] <harmw> harlowja_away: cool
[20:21] <harmw> i haven't taken the time to work out initscripts, and if seanb is working on that ill keep my hands off :)


[12:54] <shadowscene> Hello. What qualifications do I need in the Ubuntu Community to receive a cloak?
[12:55] <shadowscene> From what I understand, I just need to join the launchpad group and associate my freenode IRC account with my launchpad account.
[12:55] <serfus> !member |shadowscene
[12:56] <serfus> you need to become a ubuntu member
[12:56] <shadowscene> Oh, thank yoU!
[12:56] <shadowscene> *you
[12:56] <serfus> np :)
[12:58] <shadowscene> Anywho.. I should be back in a bit..


[03:49] <JackYu> jibel, hi, Ubuntu Kylin is ready for release. Will is the URL of Ubuntu release note? Do we need to prepare one for Ubuntu Kylin?
[04:21] <infinity> JackYu: I'm not sure individual announcements are really necessary for the point release, but if you want want to, you can.
[05:05] <JackYu> infinity, I think so:)
[05:06] <JackYu> infinity, so, I choose to share the Ubuntu one:).
[08:29] <jibel> jamespage, hey, could you update the tracker with the results for the tests for 14.04.1 server images?
[08:31] <jamespage> jibel: I thought that was automated?
[08:38] <jamespage> jibel, I can certainly help with the iscsi testing as I normally do - beisner will be around later to co-ordinate the rest
[09:27] <infinity> jibel: I'll do server on the powerpcs and core on ppc and arm64 tonight.  How are we looking otherwise?
[09:31] <infinity> tgm4883: You good to go to mark mythbuntu ready?
[09:31] <infinity> elfy: Ditto for xubuntu?
[09:37] <jibel> infinity, images are fine, upgrades are not so good. bug 1348067 , bug 1347964 (ubuntu-desktop fails to upgrade) and the failure with procps from saucy to trusty found yesterday
[09:40] <infinity> jibel: check.  Those are archive issues rather than image issues (not to downplay them, they need investigation, but shouldn't hold up the ISOs)
[09:40] <jibel> jamespage, tests are automated I'm just not sure if anyone look at the results
[09:41] <infinity> jibel: We saw a variation on your saucy->trusty issue a day or two before release and reverted something that made apt happy, but clearly not happy enough.  The real bug needs hunting and fixing. :/
[09:41] <apw> infinity, oh is it _that_ one
[09:41] <apw> back to haunt us
[09:42] <jibel> infinity, sure these upgrade issues don't affect the images themselves
[09:45] <highvoltage> Is there a wiki page that lists what have changed in the 14.04.1 point release?
[09:56] <infinity> apw: Yeah, looks like it's the same bug.
[10:25] <jamespage> jibel, looking at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/Smoke%20Testing/ the server iso tests have not run for a bit now
[10:26] <jibel> jamespage, pfff, I'll talk to CI.
[10:26]  * jibel clears the results on the tracker
[10:39] <highvoltage> jibel: hey there
[10:42] <jibel> highvoltage, hi
[10:43] <highvoltage> jibel: I see you tested edubuntu 14.04.1 and passed ltsp, what hardware was that on?
[10:43] <jibel> highvoltage, in VMs
[10:43] <highvoltage> jibel: kvm?
[10:44] <jibel> highvoltage, no virtualbox, 1rst has 2 NICs (1 for external network and 1 for internal network) and 2nd VM has 1 NIC connected to the internal network
[10:44] <highvoltage> jibel: ok, thanks. I had some trouble with it under kvm, but my host was under load so I'll try again
[10:46] <jibel> highvoltage, you must install vbox extensions to pxe boot the client
[10:47] <highvoltage> jibel: my kvm thin client boots, but ldm doesn't start, but I'll troubleshoot further in a bit...
[10:56] <highvoltage> weird, it works fine when I set my virtual display card to anything that's not 'cirrus'.
[10:59] <xnox> i have no clue why cirrus is still the default, when it's that bad, and nobody has hardware like that any more.
[11:02] <highvoltage> xnox: yeah, strangely enough my host vm was also set to cirrus and that started X up just fine oO
[11:23] <pfsmorigo> infinity: is there a way to get an "older" daily?
[11:23] <pfsmorigo> like 1 month old
[11:25] <cjwatson> Dailies are purged after a while; we don't have space to keep them for very long.
[11:34] <pfsmorigo> cjwatson: I'm doing tests with the daily and the system seems to freeze during the first reboot after the installation
[11:35] <pfsmorigo> cjwatson: talking about ppc64el here
[11:35] <pfsmorigo> cjwatson: I want to test with some older versions after 14.04
[11:35] <cjwatson> It'll probably have to be investigated directly rather than by bisection, sorry.
[11:36] <cjwatson> We don't have the old dailies any more.
[11:37] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Is this on P7 or P8?  Real hardware or VM?
[11:37] <infinity> pfsmorigo: I was just about to test on a P7 VM.
[11:37] <pfsmorigo> cjwatson: qemu
[11:37] <pfsmorigo> infinity: ^
[11:37] <pfsmorigo> infinity: do you have a powerkvm to test?
[11:39] <infinity> pfsmorigo: I do, yes.
[11:40] <pfsmorigo> infinity: nice, so you just have to create a disk and install using the default options. the problem happens after the installation is over.
[11:42] <infinity> pfsmorigo: And if I fail to reproduce it?
[11:42] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Note that the kernel on the CD and the kernel you're rebooting into are identical, so it's curious if it's freezing on reboot. :/
[11:42] <pfsmorigo> infinity, cjwatson: https://gist.github.com/pfsmorigo/1a9f21bc7d0b6a48d818
[11:43] <pfsmorigo> infinity, cjwatson: it freezes after that
[11:43] <infinity> pfsmorigo: That's not frozen, that's a lack of console.
[11:44] <pfsmorigo> infinity: hmm. how do I "fix" it?
[11:45] <infinity> I'm not sure how you broke it.
[11:45] <infinity> OF stdout device is: /vdevice/vty@30001000
[11:45] <infinity> On every other SLOF install I've done, that's /vdevice/vty@30000000
[11:45] <pfsmorigo> infinity: good point
[11:45] <elfy> infinity: I somehow knew that I'd see a ping when I got in for lunch :p marked ours ready :)
[11:46] <infinity> elfy: Ta.
[11:46] <elfy> infinity: you going to need release notes?
[11:46] <infinity> elfy: Hand't planned on extensive flavour notes, unless anyone really wants to do some of their own.
[11:47] <infinity> Hadn't, even.
[11:47] <elfy> awesome - suits me perfectly tbh :)
[11:47] <infinity> pfsmorigo: So, I guarantee I won't be able to reproduce your issue on my VMs, where my SLOF defaults to a different console device.
[11:47] <pfsmorigo> infinity: the bug reporter use virsh and his xml has serial set to 30001000
[11:47] <infinity> pfsmorigo: The question then is, is this a new version of SLOF, or some weird way you're invoking qemu?
[11:48] <pfsmorigo> infinity: will try using 30000000
[11:48] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Oh, he's explicitly using a non-standard port? :(
[11:48] <infinity> *sigh*
[11:48] <pfsmorigo> infinity: cool, isn't? :P
[11:48] <infinity> So, we could very much improve the way we detect this, to be fair.
[11:48] <infinity> But, if you just let qemu/slof do their default thing, it works fine.
[11:49] <pfsmorigo> infinity: agree
[11:49] <infinity> pfsmorigo: A bug report that says "when I pick a non-standard serial setup, it all goes to poop" and some explanation of how to reproduce would be nice.
[11:49] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Reported against "finish-install".
[11:50] <pfsmorigo> infinity: he just attached the xml that he used to test the distro. don't know why he uses a non-standard port
[11:52] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Because your testers like to confuse me. :)
[11:53] <infinity> pfsmorigo: It's definitely still a bug that we fail to detect that situation, just not a critical one, since I can't see how "normal" users would do that by accident.
[11:53] <pfsmorigo> infinity: glad we solve it before it turns into a obscure kernel bug :P
[11:55] <pfsmorigo> infinity: the serial/console in his xml is like this: https://gist.github.com/pfsmorigo/32ada7e5439ef80d8e5e
[11:56] <infinity> Have I ever mentioned how much I hate virsh/libvirt?
[11:57] <infinity> If you just call qemu raw, you get a sane console on 0x30000000 which is, in fact, what you get when you boot a "real" openfirmware system via PowerVM or SLOF on bare metal too.
[12:28] <pfsmorigo> infinity: I used qemu directly and had the same "freeze"
[12:31] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Testing independently here to see what I get.
[12:32] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Out of curiosity, where does SLOF report your console being?  And how did you call qemu?
[12:38] <infinity> pfsmorigo: An install and reboot went fine here.
[12:39] <pfsmorigo> infinity: qemu-system-ppc64 -enable-kvm -M pseries -smp 4,cores=2,threads=4 -m 4G -nographic -device spapr-vscsi -device spapr-vlan,netdev=net0,mac=4C:45:42:45:06:41 -netdev bridge,br=br0,id=net0 -nodefaults -monitor stdio -serial pty -drive file=disk.img
[12:39] <pfsmorigo> infinity: then: screen /dev/pts/xx
[12:40] <infinity> pfsmorigo: SLOF **********************************************************************
[12:40] <infinity> QEMU Starting
[12:40] <infinity>  Build Date = Oct 15 2013 03:55:10
[12:40] <infinity>  FW Version = mockbuild@(private build)
[12:40] <infinity>  Press "s" to enter Open Firmware.
[12:40] <infinity> Populating /vdevice methods
[12:40] <infinity> Populating /vdevice/vty@71000000
[12:40] <infinity> Populating /vdevice/nvram@71000001
[12:40] <infinity> Populating /vdevice/l-lan@71000002
[12:40] <infinity> Populating /vdevice/v-scsi@71000003
[12:40] <infinity>        SCSI: Looking for devices
[12:40] <infinity><PHONE_NUMBER>000000 DISK     : "QEMU     QEMU HARDDISK    1.6."
[12:40] <infinity><PHONE_NUMBER>000000 CD-ROM   : "QEMU     QEMU CD-ROM      1.6."
[12:40] <infinity> Populating /vdevice/v-scsi@71000004
[12:40] <infinity>        SCSI: Looking for devices
[12:40] <infinity> Populating /pci@800000020000000
[12:40] <infinity>  Adapters on<PHONE_NUMBER>000000
[12:40] <infinity>                      None
[12:40] <infinity> Scanning USB
[12:40] <infinity> Using default console: /vdevice/vty@71000000
[12:40] <infinity>   Welcome to Open Firmware
[12:40] <infinity>   Copyright (c) 2004, 2011 IBM Corporation All rights reserved.
[12:40] <infinity>   This program and the accompanying materials are made available
[12:41] <infinity>   under the terms of the BSD License available at
[12:41] <infinity>   http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php
[12:41] <infinity> Trying to load:  from: disk ...   Successfully loaded
[12:41] <infinity> * finddevice /memory grub workaround *
[12:41] <infinity> error: no suitable video mode found.
[12:41] <infinity> error: failure writing sector 0x1044888 to `ieee1275/disk'.
[12:41] <infinity> * finddevice /memory grub workaround *
[12:41] <infinity> * finddevice /memory grub workaround *
[12:41] <infinity> Press any key to continue...
[12:41] <infinity> OF stdout device is: /vdevice/vty@71000000
[12:41] <infinity> Preparing to boot Linux version 3.13.0-32-generic (buildd@denneed04) (gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) ) #57-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 15 03:50:31 UTC 2014 (Ubuntu 3.13.0-32.57-generic <IP_ADDRESS>)
[12:41] <infinity> Detected machine type:<PHONE_NUMBER>000101
[12:41] <infinity> Max number of cores passed to firmware: 2048 (NR_CPUS = 2048)
[12:41] <infinity> Calling ibm,client-architecture-support... done
[12:41] <infinity> command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinux-3.13.0-32-generic root=UUID=d3530761-1c4f-4858-a284-79190eb52841 ro splash quiet vt.handoff=7
[12:41] <infinity> memory layout at init:
[12:41] <infinity>   memory_limit :<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 (16 MB aligned)
[12:41] <infinity>   alloc_bottom :<PHONE_NUMBER>e10000
[12:41] <infinity>   alloc_top    :<PHONE_NUMBER>000000
[12:41] <infinity>   alloc_top_hi :<PHONE_NUMBER>000000
[12:41] <infinity>   rmo_top      :<PHONE_NUMBER>000000
[12:41] <infinity>   ram_top      :<PHONE_NUMBER>000000
[12:41] <infinity> instantiating rtas at 0x000000002fff0000... done
[12:41] <infinity> prom_hold_cpus: skipped
[12:42] <infinity> copying OF device tree...
[12:42] <infinity> Building dt strings...
[12:42] <infinity> Building dt structure...
[12:42] <infinity> Device tree strings 0x0000000004e20000 -> 0x0000000004e20727
[12:42] <infinity> Device tree struct  0x0000000004e30000 -> 0x0000000004e40000
[12:42] <infinity> Calling quiesce...
[12:42] <infinity> returning from prom_init
[12:42] <infinity>  -> smp_release_cpus()
[12:42] <lool> this is going to take some time
[12:42] <infinity> spinning_secondaries = 7
[12:42] <infinity>  <- smp_release_cpus()
[12:42] <infinity>  <- setup_system()
[12:42] <infinity> CF000012
[12:42] <infinity> CF000015ch
[12:42] <infinity> Linux ppc64
[12:42] <infinity> #57-Ubuntu SMP T * Starting Mount filesystems on boot                    [ OK ]
[12:42] <infinity>  * Starting Populate /dev filesystem                                     [ OK ]
[12:42] <infinity>  * Starting Populate and link to /run filesystem                         [ OK ]
[12:42] <infinity>  * Stopping Populate /dev filesystem                                     [ OK ]
[12:42] <infinity>  * Stopping Populate and link to /run filesystem                         [ OK ]
[12:42] <infinity>  * Stopping Track if upstart is running in a container                   [ OK ]
[12:42] <infinity>  * Starting Signal sysvinit that the rootfs is mounted                   [ OK ]
[12:42] <infinity>  * Starting Initialize or finalize resolvconf                            [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting Signal sysvinit that virtual filesystems are mounted         [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting Signal sysvinit that virtual filesystems are mounted         [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting Bridge udev events into upstart                              [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting Signal sysvinit that remote filesystems are mounted          [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting Clean /tmp directory                                         [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting device node and kernel event manager                         [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Stopping Clean /tmp directory                                         [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting load modules from /etc/modules                               [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting cold plug devices                                            [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting log initial device creation                                  [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Starting Signal sysvinit that local filesystems are mounted           [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity>  * Stopping Mount filesystems on boot                                    [ OK ]
[12:43] <infinity> GAH.
[12:43] <infinity> WRONG MOUSE BUTTON.
[12:43] <infinity> pfsmorigo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7847407/
[12:43] <infinity> pfsmorigo: So, I'm assuming '-serial pty' does something funky.  But this isn't new either, it would have been broken this same way since release (indeed, since we started the port).
[12:43] <infinity> lool: Sorry.  Middle click fail. :/
[12:43] <infinity> lool: Not sure how I didn't get kicked.
[12:43] <pfsmorigo> infinity: https://gist.github.com/pfsmorigo/245ae92f1ff682f473db
[12:44] <pfsmorigo> infinity: this is what I get in the screen
[12:44] <xnox> lool: serial console over IRC is the best with rate limiting =)
[12:44] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Oh, kay, so you're getting a device we should be setting up correctly (the same one I just pasted).
[12:45] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Err, did you *install* with that setup, or are you rebooting an already broken install?
[12:45] <pfsmorigo> infinity: second option
[12:45] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Kay, right.  So, broken.
[12:45] <infinity> pfsmorigo: The installer detects if it should set up a console on hvc[01] based on magic openfirmware nodes existing at install time.
[12:46] <infinity> pfsmorigo: So, if you run an install under that setup there, it'll work fine.
[12:46] <pfsmorigo> infinity: ok, let me do some tests here
[12:46] <infinity> pfsmorigo: As you can see from my paste, which matches yours, but has a getty with a login prompt. :)
[12:46] <lool> xnox: yeah it felt like 100 bauds or something
[12:46] <ogra_> ls
[12:47] <ogra_> pwd
[12:47] <lool> ogra_: Password:
[12:47] <pfsmorigo> lol
[12:47] <ogra_> 123456
[12:47] <ogra_> oops !
[12:47] <infinity> ogra_: That's the same combination I have on my luggage!
[12:47] <ogra_> lol
[12:47] <lool> haha
[12:53] <davmor2> ogra_: I expect something more inventive from you like 123456!
[12:53] <ogra_> 123456äöü
[12:53] <ogra_> ;)
[12:55] <davmor2> ogra_: or hunter2
[12:56] <pfsmorigo> infinity: I found some tickets about this problem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1347967
[12:56] <pfsmorigo> infinity: "From what I know, there is no difference/limitation between these two values to Libvirt, it just address assigned to the device. Althrough 30000000 is defined for VIO_ADDR_SERIAL specificly, both works fine as serial address."
[12:58] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Kay, so a Kimchi bug (and yes, also an Ubuntu bug)
[12:59] <infinity> pfsmorigo: For the record, the default in SLOF appears to be 71000000 (which we handle fine), and we also handle 30000000, but not 30001000.
[12:59] <pfsmorigo> infinity: ok, got it
[12:59] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Going forward, I plan to try to rewrite this to detect things a bit more sanely but, for now, it might be nice if Kimchi wasn't doing silly non-standard things.
[13:00] <infinity> pfsmorigo: If there's already an install base of systems that will be trying 30001000 though, we can certainly fix the hardcoding in the installer to also look there for now.
[13:00] <infinity> pfsmorigo: Not for the point release, but for a later update.
[13:02] <pfsmorigo> infinity: ok
[13:10] <tgm4883> infinity: yes Mythbuntu is good to go
[13:10] <infinity> tgm4883: \o/
[13:12]  * infinity spins source ISOs.
[13:34] <highvoltage> is there an estimated time for the release if everything goes well?
[13:36] <infinity> highvoltage: Not going to make estimates, but "today, in my timezone".
[13:36] <infinity> highvoltage: Which gives you, uhm, 16.5 hours of wiggle room. :P
[13:41] <highvoltage> infinity: *shrug*, good enough :)
[13:46] <jibel> infinity, ubuntu looks good, server tests are done, I'm updating the tracker. The most critical bugs found are upgrade crashes mentioned earlier, someone from foundations will have to look at them.
[13:48] <infinity> jibel: Agreed, we'll have to make some time to take a closer look ASAP.
[13:48] <infinity> jibel: And possibly hold off on flipping the meta-release upgrade switch until we know WTF is going on.
[13:49] <infinity> jibel: Though, have you seen the issue with precise->trusty, or just saucy->trusty?
[13:50] <jibel> infinity, +1 holding off flipping the switch
[13:50] <jibel> infinity, I reproduced 1347964
[13:50] <jibel> bug 1347964
[13:50] <jibel> twice
[13:50] <jibel> and it leaves the system in a completely broken state, if you reboot you cannot even login
[13:56] <infinity> jibel: Oh, that's an entirely different bug, and probably a pure packaging issue.  But yes, that should also be fixed. :/
[13:59] <mdeslaur> infinity: can the eglibc package be removed in utopic?
[14:07] <infinity> mdeslaur: Need to fix all the cross-buildy stuff, but that's the plan, yes.
[14:07] <mdeslaur> infinity: ah, ok, thanks
[14:22] <mdeslaur> infinity: if you still care about the lucid sparc eglibc FTBFS, now would be the time to get me that patch you had
[14:27] <infinity> mdeslaur: Oh, is it security time?  Whee.  No need to do utopic, BTW, I'll merge with Debian (assuming it's the CVE covered in unstable a week or so ago).
[14:27] <mdeslaur> infinity: yeah, that's the one
[14:28] <infinity> mdeslaur: I don't actually remember what the sparc issue was.  I'm not sure I remember even having the conversation. :)
[14:31] <infinity> mdeslaur: Oh, it was a breakage in the most recent security update.  Yeah, I think we pulled a patch or two for that in Debian.  Can I look tomorrow, or are you doing it Right Now?
[14:31] <mdeslaur> infinity: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/5068250
[14:31] <mdeslaur> infinity: yeah, you can look tomorrow
[14:33] <infinity>   * patches/any/cvs-CVE-2013-4237-alignment.diff: Fix alignment of the
[14:33] <infinity>     directory block in dirstream.h, fixing readdir regression on sparc.
[14:33] <infinity> mdeslaur: Looks like it would be that one.
[14:33] <mdeslaur> infinity: thanks, I'll take a look when I work on lucid
[14:33] <infinity> mdeslaur: Possibly might also want to look at:
[14:33] <infinity>   * patches/any/cvs-CVE-2013-4332-memalign-2.diff: patch from upstream to
[14:33] <infinity>     address some remaining issues from CVE-2013-4332.
[14:37] <infinity> mdeslaur: If you have troubles hunting those down (cause they're likely merged upstream by now, and thus not patches in utopic), I can help you tomorrow.
[14:37] <mdeslaur> infinity: thanks, I'll let you know
[15:07] <mvo_> could someone reject my upload for update-manager to precise-proposed please?
[15:17] <infinity> mvo_: Sure.
[15:21] <mvo_> tthanks infinity
[15:47] <mvo_> and if someone could review the update-manger in precise-proposed that would be great - its for the hwe-support so would be good to get it in
[15:58] <jibel> infinity, I published the testing report, is there a changes summary or a script to generate it like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/12.04.4 ?
[16:02] <cjwatson> jibel: I'm going to make a start on that in a bit
[16:03] <infinity> jibel: I think we can promise it'll be at the obviously guessable URL, and it can just 404 for now.
[16:04] <jibel> cjwatson, okay
[17:46] <xdatap1> Hi everybody
[17:47] <xdatap1> I'm from the Italian LoCo Team. We realese a localized version of Ubuntu. Is the 14.04.1 already out? Can we release our image?
[18:50] <zul> can an archive admin promote python-hacking please (#1331490)
[20:50] <Riddell> infinity: are we nearly there yet?
[21:38] <Riddell> zul: done


[00:28] <Ludacris> !Xubuntu
[00:57] <Niglop> hi anybody here..?
[00:58] <bazhang> yes
[00:58] <Niglop> hey bazhang
[00:58] <bazhang> hi
[00:58] <Niglop> my computer was running xfce and i didnt even have xfce4 installed? :S
[00:58] <Niglop> is there some other package that it runs off that im not aware of
[01:00] <Niglop> bazhang» ?
[01:02] <bazhang> Niglop, yes?
[01:02] <Niglop> is there some other package that it runs off that im not aware of
[01:02] <Niglop> my computer was running xfce and i didnt even have xfce4 installed? :S
[01:03] <bazhang> I don't see a troubleshooting question in there
[01:04] <bazhang> no idea what you have done with your system or installed on it.
[01:05] <Niglop> bazhang» well recently one of my sessions dissapeared and I went into the default xfce session and it is alot different to what mints xfce session is, I realised i didn't even have xfce4 installed? Is there a way I can get mint xfce session back
[01:05] <bazhang> Niglop, mint?
[01:05] <Niglop> linux mint bazhang
[01:05] <bazhang> Niglop, go seek linux mint support
[01:06] <Niglop> everybody in the channel is idle -.-
[01:06] <bazhang> Niglop, be patient then. mint is not supported by ubuntu
[01:06] <Niglop> well anyway, what I was asking is: how is my system running xfce if i didn't have xfce4 installed?
[01:06] <bazhang> !mintsupport | Niglop
[01:07] <Niglop> -.- i am asking a de based question, not distro
[01:07] <bazhang> you're running mint. get support from mint.
[01:08] <Niglop> basically you are telling me to go f myself because i am using a different distro
[01:08] <Niglop> lol
[01:08] <bazhang> Niglop, watch the language
[01:08] <Niglop> linux distros shouldnt compete, we are a community
[01:08] <Niglop> I didn't use profanity..
[01:52] <well_laid_lawn> it would help if ppl read the topic when they entered a channel...
[02:03] <readyman78> knetworkmanager
[02:03] <bazhang> readyman78, question about that?
[14:06] <serfus> hey guys
[14:06] <serfus> i have ubuntu netbook edition installed and i want to convert to xubuntu
[14:07] <serfus> if i'll install XFCE-desktop would it do the trick?
[14:07] <serfus> or it's better to install xubuntu from scratch?
[14:07] <vinnl> Hey serfus, you'll want to install xubuntu-desktop
[14:08] <serfus> vinnl, and then what will i need to delete if i am using the netbook edition?
[14:09] <vinnl> serfus, hmm, let me check if there's something on that
[14:09] <vinnl> I think this might do it:
[14:09] <vinnl> !purexfce
[14:09] <vinnl> It's meant for normal Ubuntu and Kubuntu, but it might get quite far for UNR
[14:11] <serfus> okay great
[14:11] <serfus> i'll try to look if there's any remaining after that
[14:11] <serfus> thank's allot vinnl
[14:11] <vinnl> Yeah that should do the trick, worst case you have a couple of packages installed you don't use :)
[14:11] <vinnl> np :)
[14:17] <adarof> I #
[14:17] <adarof> Hi #
[14:18] <adarof> Have a question for useage of gmrun....
[14:18] <adarof> since I installed xubuntu-desktop (originally machine was a kubuntu), gmrun doesnt searches ~/bin anymore - but it was before
[14:18] <adarof> any hints on this?
[14:20] <adarof> ~/bin is in bashrc and bash_profile, but I dont know which config files are read by gmrun :-/
[14:24] <adarof> another question: I switched to gdm as login manager but it doesnt remember lastsessiontype ....
[14:26] <TheSheep> adarof: check ~/.dmrc
[14:27] <TheSheep> adarof: it saves it there, if it cannot write there or something, it won't rememeber
[14:29] <adarof> TheSheep, thanks - "default" is stored there and thelastmodtime seems to be okay
[14:29] <adarof> Maybe gdm cant store "xterm"? (which should be remembered)
[14:30] <adarof> since -rw-r--r-- should be fine, right?
[14:33] <adarof> has xfce any button for "switch sesseion" thus I get back to gdm and could login with another user?
[14:36] <TheSheep> adarof: you can logout
[14:38] <adarof> Well....
[14:40] <adarof> thats the 3rd problem, i have: Logout takes ages (3min or so) - if any application wasnt closed before... e.g. the korganizer reminder daemon or keepassx
[14:45] <charlie-tca> adarof: any chance you are also seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/535105 in gmrun ?
[14:48] <adarof> charlie-tca, no, dont think so: I'm just refereing to the tab-completion of gmrun, which ignores my $PATH settings
[14:50] <adarof> and it was before I installed xubuntu-desktop thus im sure that its an xubuntu issue
[14:50] <adarof> but I dont have any starting point
[14:50] <adarof> how could I discover which is thecurrent $PATH of gmrun?
[14:51] <charlie-tca> hmm, I don't know gmrun at all. I just know some of the bugs
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I can't really help with it.
[14:51] <adarof> charlie-tca, ah, sorry - U asked me to confirm the bug?
[14:51] <charlie-tca>  yes
[14:52] <adarof> Give me 5min
[14:52] <charlie-tca> sure. I will that long cleaning up the spilled coffee here
[15:08] <adarof> Hm - I think I cant confirm
[15:09] <adarof> I have added a gmrunrc and specified TermExec = xfce4-terminal -x within
[15:10] <adarof> afterwards I could start gmrun and type xcalc hitting Ctrl-Enter and xcalc shows up (with an xfce4-terminal)
[15:10] <adarof> if I remove -x from gmrunrc it does not work -- thus the -x is honored?!
[15:11] <adarof> Should I comment the bug?
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Please do, if you don't mind.
[15:12] <adarof> fine with me
[15:13] <charlie-tca> It could be a different issue causing problems for the reporter. That's why we want to have at least two people with the same things before we confirm
[15:17] <adarof> done
[15:18] <adarof> Maybe my testing procedure does not match his description
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Thanks for trying.
[15:22] <charlie-tca> It is possible. I tried, but I just can't seem to understand what to do with it.
[15:24] <adarof> gmrun seems to "use" a sh-environment -- how could I set $PATH for /bin/sh ?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> add it to path in .bashrc or /etc/bashrc using      PATH="$PATH:/bin/sh"
[15:29] <adarof> I have done that - and checked
[15:29] <adarof> doesnt help
[15:29] <charlie-tca> or in terminal using      set PATH=$PATH:/bin/sh
[15:30] <adarof> for normal terminals it works ...its just gmrun, which doesnt use it
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Maybe that is the actual problem then, not termexec?
[15:31] <adarof> Dont think these issues are related
[15:31] <charlie-tca> oh, I see
[15:31] <charlie-tca> So you got a new bug?
[15:31] <adarof> since my prob is before hitting ctrl-enter
[15:31] <charlie-tca> if sh won't append to path
[15:34] <adarof> I know its not a real bug since it was okay prior installing xubuntu-desktop package
[15:35] <charlie-tca> hmm, might be something Xubuntu does different then.
[15:36] <charlie-tca> did you do a logout/login after changing the path?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> (in .bashrc or /etc/bashrc)
[15:36] <adarof> in bashrc it is defined since...well 10 years or so
[15:36] <charlie-tca> oh
[15:37] <charlie-tca> well, suggestions, suggestions....
[15:37] <adarof> and .... gmrun "knows" ~bin, if I start it from a terminal
[15:37] <adarof> thus it is related to xfce in some way
[15:38] <charlie-tca> You probably should file a bug on it, then. maybe the other gmrun reporter could verify yours.
[15:42] <adarof> Uh....
[15:42] <adarof> on my laptop it still works...and the difference is that I havent changed kdm->gdm there
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Then it is something in gdm causing it.Probably related to the gnome-session/xfce-session stuff
[15:45] <adarof> I just cross check
[15:45] <adarof> Switched to gdm on laptop
[15:45] <adarof> and ...
[15:45] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:45] <adarof> Jup - it doesnt work
[15:45] <adarof> So....
[15:46] <adarof> I need a gdm expert
[15:46] <adarof> :-)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:46] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you around today?
[15:46] <Aquina> GDM is default on Xubuntu, isn't it?
[15:46] <vinnl> Perhaps there's a #gdm? :)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:46] <Aquina> So how can you switch to it, adarof?
[15:47] <adarof> Aquina, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[15:47] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yes, but I'm not a gdm expert…
[15:47] <charlie-tca> oh, well, thanks anyway then
[15:48] <adarof> Thats cause I come from kubuntu (thus kde, thus kdm)
[15:49] <Aquina> I'm not a gdm expert as well but maybe the problem can easily be solved!? :)
[15:49] <adarof> Aquina, Well? Switching back to kdm?
[15:50] <adarof> Think so - also due to my "gdm doesnt remember session type" problem
[15:50] <adarof> Or any other Idea?
[15:50] <Aquina> hm
[15:51] <Aquina> What do logs say? What exactly doen't work? Checked the config manualy?
[15:51] <mr_pouit> it sould remember the session type, in the ~/.dmrc file afaik
[15:51] <Aquina> I assume you wanted to reset things with dpkg-reconfigure, huh?
[15:52] <adarof> Aquina, dpkg-reconfigure askes "which login manager should be used" and I could easily switch
[15:52] <adarof> No log entries since no errors
[15:52] <Aquina> I see.
[15:52] <Aquina> adarof... I've got it!
[15:52] <Aquina> Ask someone with gdm knowlege! :-)
[15:53] <adarof> If I type pwd in gmrun I see in .xsession-errors
[15:53] <adarof> o_O
[15:53] <Aquina> :-/
[15:53]  * adarof looking up what spassvogel is in english
[15:53] <adarof> funster
[15:54] <Aquina> *lol* Ja, ich bin manchmal ein Spaßvogel!
[15:55] <adarof> Ah, these germans ...always around
[15:56] <brot> natürlich
[15:56] <adarof>  /quit ;-)
[16:34] <adarof> args
[16:35] <adarof> typo in .profile
[16:35] <adarof> sorry ww
[16:36] <adarof> okay, my gmrun issue is solved
[16:37] <adarof> KDM adds ~/bin to PATH by default - GDM doesnt
[16:37] <adarof> thus a ~/.profile helps
[16:49] <Aquina> ...
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Glad to hear you got that part fixed!
[16:56] <adarof> yeah - that was a tricky one
[16:56] <adarof> next: long logout times
[16:57] <adarof> nobody of you have this issue?
[16:58] <adarof> so long logout time, IF a appliaction isnt closed...
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Do we have anyone running Maverick here?
[17:24] <KE1HA> charlie-tca: good morning charlie
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Hello, KE1HA
[17:25] <charlie-tca> How are things today?
[17:25] <KE1HA> Busy as always. You heard frm Cody lately?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> No, and usually won't on sunday
[17:25] <KE1HA> Ahh ok.
[17:26] <charlie-tca> But I haven't forgotten. I will get him tomorrow
[17:26] <KE1HA> We should probably propose a team meeting at some point in the not to distant future, lots of things to discuss.
[17:30] <KE1HA> Regarding your Maverick question, I just zsync'd a bunch of images to 20100822 last night .. need to update all my VM's but can do xub first if you need something specific.
[17:30] <charlie-tca> got it, thanks
[17:31] <KE1HA> Ok
[17:44] <KE1HA> hey charlie-tca you may know about this, I ran across a neat too to automate pastebinit  from the command-line, you know about that one ?
[17:44] <KE1HA> tool*
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Ummm, yes, but I usually forget about it
[17:45] <adarof> I found hints(?) regarding my long logout problem. This is my .xsession-errors AFTER logout: http://pastebin.ca/1922728 Does anyone understand something there?
[17:46] <KE1HA> yeah, it's pretty neat. I've doing copy & paste, but now can just do something like: lscpi | pastebinit and it' sends it to the pastebin and give me the link back.
[17:50] <KE1HA> adarof:  nope, that's beyond me, but looks related to: GLib-GObject-WARNING
[17:50] <charlie-tca> I think there are too many kde apps refusing to accept the shutdown from Xfce
[17:51] <charlie-tca> What version of ??? is that? 9.10?
[17:51] <adarof> charlie-tca, any idea how I could make them accepting shutdown by xfce?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I usually have to shutdown some of mine before hitting quit
[17:52] <adarof> charlie-tca, aehm 10.4 4.6.1ubuntu3
[17:52] <charlie-tca> ** Message: xfsm-shutdown-helper.c:268: Using HAL to shutdown/reboot the computer.
[17:52] <adarof> charlie-tca, ...otherwise would what happen?
[17:53] <charlie-tca> 10.04 should not be using HAL
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Takes too long if I leave them open
[17:53] <adarof> My pastebin states that it uses HAL
[17:53] <charlie-tca> But, then again, I run the unstable versions
[17:53] <charlie-tca> I know. That's why I pasted that line above
[17:54] <charlie-tca> I wonder if Kubuntu is still using it, and it confused things?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> adarof: you could try this:
[17:55] <charlie-tca> If there is a way to reproduce or people who frequently have this, they can set
[17:55] <charlie-tca> the environment variable XFSM_VERBOSE=1, which will dump information about what
[17:55] <charlie-tca> the session manager is doing, that would be very helpful.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> Then file a bug for the slow shutdown issue in xfce4-session
[17:55] <charlie-tca> and attach the log
[17:56] <KE1HA> how do you set that variable charlie-tca ?
[17:56] <adarof> Yeah - where could I set this? .profile and relogin? Logs would go to .xsession-errors?
[17:56] <mr_pouit> (xfce 4.6.x still uses hal btw. Only the future 4.8 doesn't)
[17:57] <charlie-tca> set it in .bashrc, using   export XFSM_VERBOSE=1   on a line by itself. then logout and login.
[17:57] <charlie-tca> It should go to .xsessionerrors log
[17:58] <charlie-tca> It will give the developers a lot of info about what happened.
[17:58] <KE1HA> cool, tnx
[18:00]  * charlie-tca is "just another user" again
[18:00] <KE1HA> How did you just post that?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> with my keyboard?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> just add "/me" without the quotes at the start of the line
[18:01] <KE1HA> Yeah, but it's puts a * pm the line, then your comment.
[18:02] <charlie-tca> (in Xchat, at least)
[18:02]  * KE1HA wishing I knew IRC better :-)
[18:02] <KE1HA> Cool
[18:02] <charlie-tca> That's it. The problem I have is remembering when doing it, everything is third person
[18:03] <KE1HA> I just had that problem too :-)
[18:03] <KE1HA> should have said
[18:03]  * KE1HA wishing he knew IRC better :-)
[18:03] <adarof> charlie-tca, No more log entries
[18:03] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:03] <charlie-tca> huh?
[18:03] <adarof> maybe .bashrc is the wrong place?
[18:04] <charlie-tca> adarof: file a bug anyway, using   ubuntu-bug xfce4-session   and attach your /var/log/syslog to it along with the ~/.xsession-errors log
[18:05] <charlie-tca> I do all my environment variable changes in .bashrc.
[18:05] <charlie-tca> maybe got to do the variable on one line and export on the next?
[18:06] <adarof> I give the .profile a try
[18:07] <adarof> Dont think it could be line related since if something interprets a bashrc file,it should speak bhasbrc ;-)
[18:07] <charlie-tca> example:  BROWSER=firefox  then   export BROWSER  makes firefox the default browser. To change my default browser, all I do is replace firefox name
[18:08] <adarof> charlie-tca, yep...
[18:08] <adarof> charlie-tca, okay using .profile does not output MORE, but at least the messages are formated in another way
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It might be we got the logs wrong, though. Unless you already had it enabled somehow.
[18:08] <charlie-tca> Do they make more sense?
[18:09] <adarof> charlie-tca, not really more information ... will pastebin them
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:11] <adarof> charlie-tca, http://pastebin.ca/1922790
[18:12] <adarof> pfff - my first pastebin log is indexed by google o_O
[18:13] <charlie-tca> It's a kde bug
[18:13] <charlie-tca> kdeinit4 is the culprit, I think
[18:13] <adarof> charlie-tca, hu?
[18:14] <adarof> it getskilled like all other apps
[18:14] <charlie-tca> It is not xfce's bug, It is kde not playing nice
[18:14] <Aquina> is this still alpha or beta tsting? when is RC testing - september?
[18:14] <adarof> But it also happens with keepassx, Openoffice etc, pp
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Aquina: we are only alpha3
[18:15] <charlie-tca> adarof: it is still kdeinit4 doing it
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Aquina: sept 30 for rc, testing probably about sept 26
[18:15] <adarof> charlie-tca, I will end all kde apps and pastebin the log with opened openoffice/firefox, k?
[18:16] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:16] <adarof> uh
[18:16] <adarof> sorry
[18:16] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:16] <adarof> U are right...no kde apps, no problem
[18:16] <adarof> I was sure that I verified this before
[18:16] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:17] <charlie-tca> that's okay. sometimes another set of eyes helps
[18:17] <adarof> charlie-tca, why do you think its kde's fault? Line 18?
[18:17] <Aquina> thx chalie nice to know.
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Because kdeinit is causing it
[18:17] <charlie-tca> It should not run with xfce running
[18:18] <Aquina> Yet satisfied with alpha3, Charlie? Are things running smoothly?
[18:18] <adarof> I think it is started if I start any kde app?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> I just triage the bugs,. If I got this as a bug report, reading this log tells me it is kdeinit causing the issues
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Well, it isn't playing right. KDE needs to fix it
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Aquina: alpha3 is pretty good, got a few issues, but they are not high on the serious bugs list
[18:19] <adarof> charlie-tca, where do you see this? I just dont understand -- and would like to...thats for going to the kde people :-)
[18:20] <adarof> charlie-tca, or is it my config fault that kdeinit is started?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> adarof: because it is all the kde apps failing to shutdown
[18:21] <charlie-tca> You have xfce and kde initializing, when running the xfce session. If xfce is in control, then kdeinit should listen to it
[18:21]  * charlie-tca doesn't think his reasons are sound, but the bug is in kde
[18:21] <Aquina> I like Vector image "wallpaper_draft_2" and photogaphy "tc_photo_sky_2", by the way.
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Aquina: little things, like if you open a terminal, and look at preferences, when you close preferences, it shuts down the terminal too
[18:23] <charlie-tca> Docs are very out of date still, mixer mutes on login
[18:23] <charlie-tca> Oh, and nvidia is broken with the new kernel
[18:25] <KE1HA> which kernel ?
[18:27] <Aquina> :-)
[18:32] <charlie-tca> The newest - <IP_ADDRESS>.18
[18:32] <charlie-tca> and all the other .35 kernels, I think
[18:33] <charlie-tca> It is just the hardware drivers broken, mostly
[18:35] <charlie-tca> adarof: some of that is experience
[18:40] <slow-motion> hi
[18:41] <andyn> !hi
[18:49] <KE1HA> wow, sombody has been busy with updates. I synced XUB a day or so ago, and there's 300MB of updates
[18:51] <charlie-tca> Maverick?
[18:51] <KE1HA> yes
[18:51] <charlie-tca> Expect something close to that until we get to beta
[18:56] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  Im not sure I'll see this Kernel bug in VM, but I'm updating to the latest version first, then will test out the nVidia Restricted Drivers.
[18:56] <charlie-tca> I don't know if you will see it either. I test in VBox, but it won't use hardware drivers.
[19:19] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  I have another workstation not doing allot at the moment, may set that up specifically for kernel / driver testing.
[19:20] <charlie-tca> It is okay. There are many Ubuntu users also running maverick. Kernel and driver issues usually affect all of us
[19:21] <charlie-tca> In fact, I don't have the failure. But many do have it.
[19:22] <KE1HA> My thing is, with nVdia, I picked mainstream Cards (Mostly EVGA and BFG), and it seems to be the odd card MFG's that have allot of issues.
[19:22] <KE1HA> and ATI, oh boy, that's a handfull too.
[19:23] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:23] <charlie-tca> this go around, ATI is working, but nvidia is having issues
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Last release, it was ATI broken for most of the testing
[19:25] <KE1HA> does the lastest kernel have dkms enabled by default?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> as far as I know
[19:30] <KE1HA> Im just install QT and SDL at the moment.
[19:30] <KE1HA> installing*
[19:49] <adarof> I have another issue: the keyboard switch-widget looses its configuration - sometimes/often/nearly every time I logout/login
[19:50] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  what you know about libcurl3  ?  is that a lin for curl ?
[19:50] <KE1HA> lib*
[19:50] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:50] <adarof> Configuration means Change layout option , Manage layout and sometimes even the keyboard layouts I added
[19:50] <KE1HA> tried to install curl, and it failed on the dep libcurl3
[19:51] <charlie-tca> adarof: you did get a valid test on that bug for me. Thanks
[19:51] <Belserusk> Hi. Does anyone know of more Ubuntu menus besides GnoMenu, mintmenu, gnome menu?
[19:51] <Belserusk> Sorry, wrong channel.
[19:51] <adarof> Yep - I got response :-) Glad to assist :-)
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Belserusk: yes, xfce menu
[19:51] <Sysi_> :D
[19:51] <Belserusk> charlie-tca for Ubuntu?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> What about the "menu" application, which installs debian menu
[19:52] <adarof> charlie-tca, I also commented on the other 2 gmrun-tagged bugs ... lets see if we can close those, too
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Great! Thanks very much.
[19:56] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  just FYI, libcurl3 is not a defult package in mav, so to install VBOX, gotta install it.
[19:57] <charlie-tca> hm?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> I have had vbox installed since alpha1, memory fails me... ;-)
[19:58] <KE1HA> dont know m8 was jsut tresitng the VBOX setup and it failed deps on libcurl3
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Well, that might be right, since VBox usually won't come out witht he new version until the release.
[20:00] <KE1HA> Hmm fare enough, but it's also required to install curl
[20:00] <KE1HA> anyways, no big deal.
[20:04] <adarof> Bug 5600 and 5636 seem to be related to my issue
[20:05] <adarof> and a lot of others...:-/
[20:07] <adarof> How could I help here?
[20:07] <adarof> I cant go into the source -- but logging/trying ...
[20:11] <charlie-tca> those have been fixed already. It would be better to file a new bug, with the new versions.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> When too much code changes, the bugs are no longer valid for the code
[20:20] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  that's the tricky part, figuring out if it's old-bug renewed, or updated pkg's with a new bug
[20:21] <charlie-tca> when the numbers are in the 1000 range, file a new bug if the old one is closed
[20:22] <KE1HA> so are you testing maverick exclusively now or 10.04 as well ?
[20:28] <Aquina> bye
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I test all the versions, but I run the latest development version on my everyday system
[20:32] <KE1HA> Ok, daft question, how do I remove the Verve Command Line app from the task panel
[20:33] <Sysi_> easiest from top or bottom
[20:33] <Sysi_> or that one pixel left or right
[20:34] <KE1HA> It's on the top. I wanted to add a terminal launcher, but right-click opens the app, w/out option to add to the panel. different behavior than in gnome.
[21:04] <adarof> charlie-tca, Okay, opend a new one: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6657
[21:05] <charlie-tca> thanks
[21:08] <LeoIII_> hi
[21:08] <LeoIII_> I need help with Xubuntu
[21:08] <LeoIII_> I was here yesterday but my internet connection went down
[21:09]  * adarof gives a basket of help to LeoIII_
[21:09] <charlie-tca> !help
[21:09] <likemindead> What can we do for you, LeoIII_ ?
[21:10] <LeoIII_> I need Xubuntu to recognize my mouse
[21:10] <LeoIII_> Its a serial mouse
[21:10] <LeoIII_> I now its old
[21:10] <LeoIII_> and I should buy a ps/2 mouse but i cant so i want to know if you can help me with this
[21:11] <andyn> a serial mouse.... now, i've heard tales of them but i've always considered those as legend only
[21:11] <adarof> Uh - thats long ago...
[21:11] <LeoIII_> :D
[21:11] <LeoIII_> Thats why i?ve installed Xubuntu
[21:12] <LeoIII_> Because I have a very old computer
[21:12] <charlie-tca> possibility - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[21:12] <LeoIII_> I aleady did that
[21:12] <adarof> LeoIII_, give it a try: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html
[21:13] <LeoIII_> but maybe it works only for older version (it worked when I used Xubuntu 8.10)
[21:13] <adarof> LeoIII_, instead of Step 9 try "sudo restart gdm"
[21:14] <LeoIII_> But when I try to open the xorg file (I know it´s case sensitive) it tells me that that file doesnt exist
[21:15] <LeoIII_> i created the file and wrote what i should wrote but it doesnt work
[21:16] <LeoIII_> Ok, I'll give it a try, I'll come back in.... 10 minutes
[21:16] <charlie-tca> You wrote it using sudo or gksudo /
[21:16] <charlie-tca> right/
[21:16] <LeoIII_> yes
[21:16] <LeoIII_> ok
[21:16] <LeoIII_> c ya
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Well, enough for today. See you later!
[21:24] <adarof> thanks
[21:37] <LeoIII_> Hi again
[21:38] <LeoIII_> It didn't work
[21:39] <LeoIII_> It says 'xserver-xfree86' is not installed
[21:39] <LeoIII_> or something like that
[21:40] <LeoIII_> Hello?
[21:41] <LeoIII_> is anybody here?
[21:42] <knome> !patience
[21:42] <knome> if you miss a package, then install it
[21:42] <knome> LeoIII_, sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[21:43] <knome> away ->
[21:43] <LeoIII_> I cant
[21:43] <LeoIII_> I have a problem with the internet connection too
[21:43] <LeoIII_> I wanted to solve the mouse problem first
[21:45] <adarof> LeoIII_, the missing package includes the software which you tries to configure
[21:46] <adarof> LeoIII_, you  could try to configure mousefor console - this mighthelp for short term, but if you want graphical interface you would need to configure it there, too
[21:48] <LeoIII_> Well, I'll try to configure the connection, If it works I'll write from Firefox
[21:48] <LeoIII_> c ya
[21:54] <LeoIII_> Hi
[21:54] <LeoIII_> I'm now using Xubuntu :D
[21:54] <LeoIII_> yay!
[21:54] <LeoIII_> :D
[21:55] <LeoIII_> Now if you could tell me what I should do (with the apt-get thing)
[21:56] <LeoIII_> I now I gotta be patient -_-
[21:57] <adarof> sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -- like knome mentioned
[21:57] <LeoIII_> thanks
[21:59] <LeoIII_> "the xserver-xfree86 is not available but the next package are available xserver-xorg-core
[21:59] <LeoIII_> (I speak spanish)
[22:00] <adarof> feel free to install it
[22:00] <LeoIII_> xserver-xorg-core?
[22:00] <adarof> yeah
[22:01] <LeoIII_> Ok
[22:01] <LeoIII_> I'm upgraidng the main packages
[22:01] <LeoIII_> (safe-upgrade thing, sorry I'm a newbie
[22:04] <LeoIII_> wow, "I need to download  182 MB"
[22:05] <LeoIII_> "after unpacking I wil use 197 MB, continue?"
[22:05] <LeoIII_> :O
[22:06] <LeoIII_> 42 minutes left
[22:09] <adarof> enough for now - bye
[22:09] <LeoIII_> Am i doing something worng? why is it downloading a gnome upgrade?
[22:09] <LeoIII_> bye -_-
[22:14] <LeoIII_> ...
[22:20] <LeoIII_> hey
[22:26] <LeoIII_> hey
[22:39] <LeoIII_> HEY
[23:24] <slow-motion> n8
[23:39] <Salt> I have a really old computer. Previously it ran Windows XP. The sound originally worked, but then it didn't, I forget what happened (It's a VIA 8235 sound card, I think). Later I installed Xubuntu, which I'm using now; I think that the problem had something to do with the sound card drivers, so I looked for the driver, but the VIA website doesn't have the driver for Linux, apparently, and the next most promising thing I found, ALSA, s
[23:39] <Salt> Is there an easier way to install the driver for my sound card?