[22:15] <peyam> wilee-nilee: do you know how I can show the second temp1 in conky? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297556/
[22:15] <kostkon> wilee-nilee, aka star trek tos
[22:15] <hays> kostkon: got some error messages that didn't abort the install
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  got a few hunderd startrek ebooks on my kindle. ;)
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> pfifo:  its all mechanical. )
[22:15] <kostkon> hays, hmm. what kind
[22:15]  * Dr_Willis operates on ubottu
[22:16] <pfifo> witch doctor
[22:16] <hays> alsa-hda, i915, compat-wireless-3.4-rc1-1-alx-dkms (kernel modules)
[22:16] <hays> kostkon: %%
[22:17] <wilee-nilee> peyam, here is mine, http://pastebin.com/PxwAxmvx
[22:18] <sburjan`> Hello. Can someone tell me where can I find what a packages actually does in my system ? I am curious what is libshadow-ruby. I know it's related to Ruby, but I want some details. I am unable to find a website which gives more details about this package in Ubuntu
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> peyam, The temp is commented out is all I have the shell running and a extension showing them.
[22:18] <hitsujiTMO> sburjan`: apt-cache show packagename
[22:18] <kostkon> sburjan`, packages.ubuntu.com or apps.ubuntu.com or apt-cache show package_name in terminal or open the software centre
[22:19] <peyam> wilee-nilee: but do you have the same graphic card?
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> no I doubt it
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> peyam, I have not followed your post, you called me not I you. ;)
[22:20] <hays> kostkon: looks like redeclerations of enumerators in the module source code
[22:20] <peyam> wilee-nilee: when I run sensors in teminal I got the link I sended you and now I want the radeon-pc-...temp1 in my conky. and I dont know how
[22:20] <hays> kostkon: looks like stuff related to sound (alsa)
[22:20] <sburjan`> kostkon: I see the description: Transitional package for ruby-shadow [universe] . But I still don't know what is a transitional package
[22:21] <kostkon> hays, ok. it shouldn't be a problem
[22:21] <hays> kostkon: ooh here's one that seems bad..
[22:21] <hays> hmm i need to get xchat or something on this other machine
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> sburjan`: a transitional package is a package that has been replaced by another ... it is only there so theres no broken dependanices on upgrades for users that used to use it
[22:22] <peyam> wilee-nilee: any suggestion?
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> !info ruby-shadow
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> peyam, let me repeat, you called me not I you, just randomly asking people gets no where.
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> lets ruby acess the shadow file it seems. ;)
[22:23] <peyam> wilee-nilee: so you don't know?
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> peyam:  so whats the weather in alaska right now? ;)
[22:23] <hays> kostkon: something more serious in the compat-wireless module I think
[22:23] <kostkon> sburjan`, it means that the package is obsolete but being kept only for dist-upgrade purposes. it actually points to a another packge in this case ruby-shadow
[22:23] <peyam> Dr_Willis: good :)
[22:23] <kostkon> hays, what is the error
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> peyam:  find conky example scripts that do what you want...  and borrow their configs. ;)
[22:23] <wilee-nilee> peyam, I need some coffee from starbucks can you pick me up a cup?
[22:24] <sburjan`> kostkon: Thanks ! Now I understand better. And the description of ruby-shadow is: 	Interface of shadow password for Ruby. This allows ruby to interact with /etc/shadow file ?
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> sburjan`:  thats my guess.. since thats where the shadow passowrds are kept. ;0
[22:24] <hays> kostkon: working on it... have to get irc connected on this machine
[22:24] <pfifo> peyam: bring wilee-nilee's coffee by my place before you take it to him
[22:24] <peyam> Dr_Willis: I actually have a conky. but when I updated the distro I got two temps. one for the virtuel device and one for GPU. and both have the same name. When I write temp1 in the conky I get both temperatures but I only want one f them.
[22:24] <kostkon> sburjan`, apt-cache show ruby-shadow might show a longer desc.
[22:25] <kostkon> hays, ok
[22:25] <sburjan`> thanks everyone !   However my do-release-update says there is no upgrade path from precise to trusty... how can I proceed ?
[22:26] <techlord> Hello I am looking for ideas, I have installed ubuntu on a PC and after updateing the GPU driver to propierity driver it will not load. How can I cahnge the driver without full reinstall of OS?
[22:26] <peyam> Dr_Willis: wilee-nilee you see that I have two variables named temp1. and my conky for determine that value is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297703/
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  you  have to go to 13.04 first
[22:26] <pfifo> sburjan`: for the most information about a package on ubuntu, view its entry on launchpad.net
[22:26] <sburjan`> kostkon: Indeed, I have now more information, thanks !
[22:26] <kostkon> sburjan`, np
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  then to 13.10 - a clean install may be faster/more reliable
[22:27] <u19809> Dr_Willis : faster perhaps but more reliable ?  And how can I install 13.04. It seems the upgrade wishes to install the 13.10 ... can I specify the older version ?
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  theres alwyas horror stories about upgradeng to the next release that fails.
[22:28] <sisterFister> Hello everyone. I'm usinglubuntu for one of the first times but i need to find a way to change the default monospace font. How is this done?
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  normal upgrade path is from LTS to the next LTS. or each step in btweeen
[22:28] <bodhi_zazen> Dr_Willis: as well as horror stories about fresh installs =)
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  as far as i know you cant jump releases.
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> except in the case of LTS to LTS.
[22:29] <u19809> If it fails I can always do a fresh install.  the problem remains .. how can I specify intermediate releases ...
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  you are using actual ubuntu, and not some ubuntu variant like mint, or  pinguy  ect?
[22:30] <kostkon> u19809, it doesn't seem right that it offers you 13.10 instead od 13.04
[22:30] <hays> is there a dpaste or other pastebin command line utility in the repos?
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> theres a do-release-upgrade --SOMEOPTIONS  that i have seen used.
[22:30] <sisterFister> Hello everyone. I'm usinglubuntu for one of the first times but i need to find a way to change the default monospace font. How is this done?
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> !info pastebinit | hays
[22:30] <kostkon> u19809, you said 12.10 precise. is it 12.10 or 12.04?
[22:30] <pfifo> isnt 12.10 EOL? 9 months now isnt it?
[22:30] <kostkon> oh thats way
[22:30] <u19809> dr_willis no ubuntu (kubuntu in fact)
[22:30] <kostkon> yeah
[22:30] <sisterFister> The letter spacing in my terminal is all messed up in Lubuntu
[22:30] <kostkon> then...
[22:30] <hays> kostkon: http://dpaste.com/1428477/
[22:31] <kostkon> eol | u19809
[22:31] <kostkon> oops
[22:31] <u19809> kostkon 12.10  ... precise
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> if 12.10 is EOL and they have moved to the EOL servers for it. then you may need to fix your sources.list fisrt
[22:31] <kostkon> !eolupgrades | u19809
[22:31] <ixio2> if I create an SSH tunnel using sudo ssh -NTCf -w 0:0 <IP_ADDRESS> | how can I tear that tunnel down again ?
[22:31] <auscompgeek> ixio2: kill?
[22:31] <u19809> Strange is that i did not get offered upgrades ... just fixes
[22:31] <ixio2> auscompgeek how would I know which process it is ?
[22:31] <kostkon> hays, did it fail completely or it has already finished?
[22:32] <auscompgeek> ixio2: anything that lists processes
[22:32] <hays> kostkon: well it finished, but those look like hard errors to me... I can reboot and see what happens
[22:32] <kostkon> hays, some modules are getting rebuild by dkms for the new kernel and that where these msgs are coming from
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> i thought 12.10 is not eol til april
[22:32] <auscompgeek> u19809: 12.10 is quantal, not precise
[22:32] <ramine> hey, just testing this new client. is this working?
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> nope
[22:33] <auscompgeek> ramine: test failed :P
[22:33] <hays> kostkon: well I saved the logs and am rebooting to see if things work or not
[22:33] <ramine> heh thx
[22:33] <Trudko_> guys can I load  ubuntu , use gpart to shrink windows partition a bit and assign it to ubuntu?
[22:33] <ramine> does freenode have registering / confirming nicks?
[22:33] <hays> kostkon: hmm hey look at that.. no wireless heh
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  yes. you can resize wingows partions with gparted. and enlarge linux partions with the same tool.
[22:34] <u19809> auscompgeek : correct I run 12.04 ... precise
[22:34] <hitsujiTMO> Trudko_: no you need to do it while the partitions are not mounted. so do it from a live cd
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  make backups first
[22:34] <kostkon> hays, damn. check for drivers in software sources
[22:34] <k1l> !register | ramine
[22:34] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, I would use windows disk management to resize it then reboot it so the chkdsk run before you install ubuntu.
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  use the gparted or some other live -cd - so you have full access to the disks. they must NOT be in use
[22:34] <Trudko_> wilee-nilee: i alredy installed ubuntu but partition I have assigned to it is too small
[22:34] <OerHeks> 12.10 is supported until april 2014
[22:35] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, I would still use windows to resize itself if it were me.
[22:35] <hays> kostkon: the brcmsmac module is still loaded...
[22:35] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  and windows can resize its own ntfs (while its in use) and i find does the job much faster then gparted does
[22:35] <kostkon> hays, hmmm
[22:35] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  use windows to shrink itself., then use gparted live cd. to elnarge the linux partions
[22:35] <Trudko_> ok so I should resize while in windows ( so now)
[22:35] <hays> kostkon: the brcmsmac driver for some reason thinks the wifi is rfkilled with a hardware block
[22:36] <hays> this is what happened when I upgraded to 13.10
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, You have to be in admin is all, this is what windows release?
[22:36] <kostkon> hays, let's unblock it then  rfkill unblock all?
[22:36] <chrislustic> wifi resets at random on 13.10, i went back to 13.04
[22:36] <hays> kostkon: well ill try again but I think that doesn't work with a hard block
[22:36] <Trudko_> wilee-nilee: sorry dont understand whay you just said
[22:36] <ran_> hi. i have a question about xubuntu 13.10
[22:37] <kostkon> hays, maybe try with sudo but im not sure
[22:37] <hays> kostkon: yeah no effect
[22:37] <hays> that's definitely the issue with the brcmsmac driver... now if I remember, I tried the -sta driver and got similar problems...
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, The install of windows is the admin account, what winds release W7, vista, W8, W8.1?
[22:37] <kostkon> hays, hmm
[22:37] <hays> i wonder if there is a way to get that install proprietary drivers prompt to come up again
[22:38] <kostkon> hays, search for additional hardware in the dash
[22:38] <Trudko_> are you asking me what windows do i have?
[22:38] <Wally> I'd like to be able to use Ubuntu as an iTunes Home Sharing server is there anyone that knows a good package for that?
[22:38] <pfifo> hays: I had to install 'linux-firmware-nonfree' to get unhard-blocked
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, Why yes I am.
[22:38] <Trudko_> I have w7
[22:38] <hays> pfifo: what is that?
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, cool Xp does not have a partitioner that run while you are using it, just confirming you have the correct tools.
[22:39] <pfifo> hays: it was on my moms laptop too which has a broadcom card. 'sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree'
[22:39] <hays> pfifo: that package is not in my repo
[22:40] <hays> maybe i need multiverse turned on or someting
[22:41] <pfifo> hays: yes its in multiverse
[22:41] <hays> doh no internet
[22:42] <pfifo> hays: is the power turned on?
[22:42] <hays> one sec :)
[22:42] <pfifo> :)
[22:42] <hays> pfifo: no the wireless is down so i had to plug in
[22:44] <hays> pfifo: hmmm..  added multiverse still not there..  checking again
[22:44] <pfifo> hays: 'sudo apt-get update'
[22:45] <techlord> Hello I am looking for ideas, I have installed ubuntu on a PC and after updating the GPU driver to propierity driver it will not load. How can I change the driver without full reinstall of OS?
[22:45] <hays> pfifo: yes did that.. might not have added the multiverse right...
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> hays: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/all/linux-firmware-nonfree/download  just download it from here it has no dependancies
[22:46] <auscompgeek> techlord: recovery or text mode
[22:46] <auscompgeek> !recovery
[22:47] <auscompgeek> that works as well
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> techlord: what gpu and how did you install it?
[22:47] <hays> pfifo: so you installed that and did you have to do anything?
[22:47] <hays> there is no manpage for linux-firmware-nonfree
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> hays there's not going to be ... its a collection of firmware
[22:48] <pfifo> hays: after that i could 'sudo rfkill unblock wifi0' successfully (might have needed a reboot)
[22:48] <pfifo> hays: 'apt-cache show linux-firmware-nonfree'
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> hays: you can see the details of the package here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/all/linux-firmware-nonfree/download
[22:49] <nurow> does anyone know of a GUI/fornt-end for sixad or another way to connect SixAxis (PS3) controllers over bluetooth? It is really annoying to have to use a command line every single time I want to use my controller.
[22:50] <ixio2> any idea how to obtain the external IP address of the router I am behind from shell only ?
[22:51] <fishscene> nurow: Not that this really helps or whatnot, but if you have to use the terminal, is it possible to script?
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> nurow: could you not write a script for it and link it with a .desktop  .... or better yet, detect when the device is plugged in then call the script?
[22:51] <hays> pfifo: no effect here.. but it seems like firmware would have to be flashed wouldn't it?
[22:52] <nurow> well.. part of my reasoning is the I'm going to be connecting multiple controllers, and I'd like a graphical interface for managing them, disconnecting them etc.
[22:52] <pfifo> hays: no
[22:52] <hays> pfifo: hmm i think this package does not contain firmware for my card...  i see a bcm2033 and bcm70012/15.. no bcm4313
[22:53] <auscompgeek> ixio2: query an external server for your external IP
[22:53] <ixio2> yes, how ?
[22:53] <nurow> when I go to the website for QTsixA, it has a GUI. But I can't seem to figure out how to get to it. The screenshot is here: http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/107197-1.jpeg
[22:53] <hays> tried it also, no effect.. well I guess I will try to use the STA driver again to see how that goes
[22:54] <pfifo> hays it has b43 drivers in it
[22:54] <nurow> I installed using this guide, which is defeintely QTsixA: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> nurow is it not this sofware then ? https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/qtsixa
[22:54] <nurow> yep thats it
[22:54] <auscompgeek> yeah
[22:55] <OerHeks> ixio2, http://www.whatismyip.com/
[22:55] <ixio2> "from the shell only" - I guess I could use lync
[22:55] <kostkon> nurow, added the ppa and instlled the pacakge?
[22:55] <pfifo> nurow: it might be called 'qtsixa'
[22:56] <nurow> yep. and QTsixA shows installed in the Ubuntu software center
[22:56] <pfifo> nurow: what happens when you run it?
[22:56] <OerHeks> ixio2, curl ifconfig.me
[22:56] <hays> pfifo: did you flash something with b43-cutter?
[22:56] <hitsujiTMO> nurow what happens when you type qtsixa from terminal?
[22:56] <pfifo> hays: this isnt that kind of firmware
[22:56] <ixio2> thanks OerHeks
[22:57] <nurow> Unity finds nothing for "QtsixA" or "Sixad", but I can get it to pair using  "sixad --start" from terminal
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> nurow, type qtsixa in terminal
[22:57] <pfifo> nurow: what package did you install to get this stuff?
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> not in unity
[22:57] <kostkon> nurow, try giving for example 'qtsixa' in the terminal. search for it in the dash also
[22:57] <nurow> pfifo, I followed this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis
[22:58] <nurow> qtsixa: command not found
[22:58] <kostkon> lets download the package and find the name of the executable
[22:58] <hays> pfifo: im still using bcmsmac drivers so maybe I need to switch over to b43 drivers then?
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> nurow: looking at the bazaar branch, the gui is marked as dev, it might not acutally be released yet
[22:59] <kostkon> nurow, 'qtsixa'
[23:00] <pfifo> nurow: did you read the first paragraph of that tutorial?
[23:00] <nurow> huh.. maybe I should try installing the deb from their website?
[23:00] <kostkon> nurow, sixad-lq sixad-notify those should be in your /usr/bin
[23:00] <kostkon> those 3*
[23:00] <kostkon> nurow, try giving:  /usr/bin/qtsixa
[23:00] <pfifo> hays: im not sure, you might have to undo stuff you already did
[23:01] <kostkon> nurow, it sholdnt make any difference
[23:02] <hays> pfifo: im following the guide which says I need to run System > Administration > Hardware/Additional Drivers... which doesn't show the b43 module
[23:02] <pfifo> hays: cant help with anything gui related sorry
[23:02] <kostkon> nurow, definitely the executable is qtsixa, i just checked its desktop file
[23:02] <nurow> there is no qtsixa in usr/bin
[23:02] <pfifo> nurow: this tutorial you linked dosent provide qtsixa, note #1 says its available as a ppa
[23:03] <hays> pfifo: so you just activated the drivers how?  installing doesn't seem to have done it.. bcmsmac is still being loaded
[23:03] <kostkon> nurow, are you sure you have install the qtsixa package from this ppa?: https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/qtsixa/+packages
[23:04] <kostkon> installed*
[23:04] <kostkon> nurow, im starting to believe thats not the case
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> nurow: you may need to install the gui seperately: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7472939
[23:05] <pfifo> hays: sorry, it dosent seem linux-firmware-nonfree worked for you like it did for me, Im unable to offer a course of action from here.
[23:05] <nurow> yeah i think you guys are right
[23:05] <nurow> i was confused, I had only the PPA
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> hays: whats the exact line lspci for the wireless?
[23:05] <kostkon> nurow, give:  sudo apt-get install qtsixa
[23:06] <kostkon> nurow, thn search for it in the dash, you should get a result for it
[23:06] <Fabio> what is the best way to have a clean ubuntu where i can set up my favourite desktop?
[23:06] <pfifo> Fabio: debootstrapping
[23:07] <kostkon> Fabio, mini iso?
[23:07] <kostkon> !mini
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> Fabio: ubuntu server
[23:08] <pfifo> hitsujiTMO: server uses a kernel optimized for server
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> pfifo not since 13.04 all kernels have merged
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> they're all now generic
[23:08] <schultza> how do i disable the desktop icons, but keep the background image?
[23:08] <schultza> oh.. and not have it come back
[23:09] <Fabio> I had thought about the server, but I see conflicting opinions :)
[23:10] <pfifo> Fabio: hitsujiTMO is right about the kernels, I still recommend using debootstrap if your a power user or better
[23:11] <Fabio> thank you at all!
[23:12] <ixio2> ubuntu server and then you can install whatever desktop manager you want afterwards
[23:13] <schultza> how do i disable the desktop icons, but keep the background image?  and keep them [icons] gone?
[23:14] <Fabio> which DE you use?
[23:14] <mwhooker> Hi folks. I'm creating a chroot, and running various chef recipes in it. the end result is there are a handful of services that get started. my goal is to stop all these processes so I can remove the chroot. Ideally I would use policy-rc.d to make sure these processes don't start in the first place, but some of the services use upstart which doesn't respect the sysvinit policy files. Does anyone have any ideas?
[23:14] <schultza> unity
[23:15] <pfifo> mwhooker: your supposed you add a diversion to /sbin/initctl before you start installing software
[23:15] <mwhooker> pfifo okay, thanks. I read about that but wasn't sure it was best practice
[23:15] <pfifo> mwhooker: reboot to those process to stop, then add the diversion before you continue
[23:16] <hays> kostkon: haha. the sta driver is unblocked supposedly but there are no networks.
[23:16] <pfifo> to get*
[23:16] <Fabio> schultza I do not remember but there was an app for the tweaks?!
[23:16] <kostkon> hays, no networks being shown?
[23:16] <mwhooker> pfifo I'm pretty new to chroots. what do you mean by reboot? the parent system?
[23:16] <hays> kostkon: yeah the scan shows no networks in range
[23:17] <schultza> yes.. and there is a bug with that... im following the bug on that... disabled icons, but enabled background image. and made sure something else was "active". relogged in.. initially there were not there, but apparently there is a script that reactivates the desktop icons
[23:17] <kostkon> hays, hmm
[23:17] <kostkon> hays, try disabling networking and enabling it again
[23:17] <schultza> and every time i get an update from ubuntu updates.. my desktop icons reappear.. these icons are redundant for me.
[23:17] <kostkon> hays, whats the output of nm-tool
[23:18] <pfifo> mwhooker: yes, the processes that started used the host's system's /proc and hence dbus and upstart to start up
[23:18] <Quest> my laptop sleeps after some inactivity time. how can i change that. using kde, kubuntu?
[23:18] <jcastro_> schultza, ubuntu doesn't put icons on your desktop by default
[23:18] <jcastro_> which icons do you mean?
[23:18] <kostkon> hays, without sudo, just nm-tool
[23:18] <schultza> Computer, Home, and Trash. All of which are on my launcher bar.
[23:18] <schultza> ie: redundant
[23:19] <jcastro_> do you remember how you added them to the desktop?
[23:19] <mwhooker> pfifo that makes a lot of sense. so you're saying the host system needs to be modified?
[23:19] <hays> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297882/ kostkon
[23:19] <schultza> i never purposely added them... it was these annoying updates that keep readding them.. since this last update though, they keep reappear after login
[23:19] <pfifo> mwhooker: are you trying to end the processes you started? I highly recommend a reboot
[23:20] <kostkon> hays, disconnet the lan and see what happens?
[23:20] <AzizLight> Hi everybody
[23:20] <hays> kostkon: also I should note that there is an LED on my notebook that is usually lit when WiFi is on.. and its not lit.
[23:20] <mwhooker> pfifo I don't need the processes to start in the first place
[23:20] <jcastro_> schultza, gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons false
[23:20] <jcastro_> should do the trick
[23:20] <kostkon> hays, that's not a good sign :/
[23:21] <hays> kostkon: heh yeah.
[23:21] <AzizLight> Using rsync, how can I sync a directory while changing the destination name please? ie: `rsync rsync -v -r -h --progress --no-implied-dirs --exclude 'autorun' $DOTS/home/.irssi/scripts $HOME/.dotfiles/irssi_scripts
[23:21] <schultza> thanks.. ill check that out..
[23:21] <pfifo> mwhooker: they start when you install/update them... simply entering the chroot wont make them start
[23:22] <AzizLight> but without creating the irssi_scripts/scripts/ dir in the example above
[23:23] <schultza> nope.. still there
[23:24] <mwhooker> pfifo to add more context, the host system is running on ec2. the chroot is a mounted volume containing a base ubuntu install. Nothing is running in the chroot yet. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think redirecting ioctl before running chef (installs extra software, runs it), should make sure that nothing starts. right?
[23:24] <chris111> is there anyway to check if an ftp transfer has completed succesfully?
[23:25] <hays> kostkon: the internet says to try an old version of the sta driver package.  how would I do that with apt?
[23:25] <hays> bcmwl-driver-source is the package...
[23:26] <pfifo> mwhooker: i cant say for sure as I dont know chef, But I can tell you that running 'dpkg-divert --rename /sbin/initctl' will make upstart jobs NOT run.
[23:26] <sam113101> what's a system compositor?
[23:26] <mwhooker> pfifo oh wow, even better. I didn't know dpkg-divert existed. thanks so much for your help
[23:26] <project0101> hi
[23:27] <hays> kostkon: actually, nevermind..  I think this solution is pretty suboptimal.  Im just going to figure out how to revert to the raring stack
[23:27] <hays> err quantal stack
[23:27] <pfifo> importantmwhooker: 'dpkg-divert --rename /sbin/initctl && ln -sf /bin/ture /sbin/initctl' to be exact, the symlink is
[23:27] <kostkon> hays, that sounds better :)
[23:27] <pfifo> mwhooker: 'dpkg-divert --rename /sbin/initctl && ln -sf /bin/ture /sbin/initctl' to be exact, the symlink is important
[23:28] <mwhooker> thanks again =)
[23:28] <hays> is there a way to run 13.10 with a 3.5 kernel that is advisable?
[23:28] <pfifo> mwhooker: dpkg-divert is grat because if you upgrade upstart, it will see the diversion, and leave it in place
[23:29] <sam113101> what's a system compositor?
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> hays: why would you want to run kernel 3.5 on ubuntu 13.10? and you can download kernels and easily install them from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[23:29] <hays> Ari-Yang: oh because wireless is borked on 3.8
[23:29] <hays> its in the backscroll if you are curious
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> hays: I thought ubuntu 13.10 runs on kernel 3.11
[23:31] <hays> Ari-Yang: hmm well 3.8 seems to be where the problem starts
[23:31] <hays> but i was pretty sure the update to 13.10 is when my system started borking.
[23:31] <Ari-Yang> hays: what's the output of uname -r ?
[23:32] <pfifo> sam113101: a compisitor is like a middle man between windows and the X windows system
[23:32] <hays> Ari-Yang: right now im on precise with a raring LTS enablement stack
[23:32] <hays> been trying to locate the problem
[23:32] <sam113101> pfifo: isn't that the job of the window manager?
[23:34] <pfifo> sam113101: a compisitor is the graphical side, windows draw their buttons on a buffer provided by the compisitor, the compisitor draws the buffer where ever the window manager says
[23:35] <pfifo> sam113101: compisitors also enable some neat-o effects like fade in and out
[23:36] <hays> so.. is it advisable to run 13.10 with 3.2 or 3.5 kernel?
[23:37] <hays> just so i get the other shiny things that come along after 12.04 LTS came out
[23:37] <Ari-Yang> hays: what graphics card do you have?
[23:37] <pfifo> hays: the only downside to that is you cant get support for your setup here
[23:37] <hays> Ari-Yang: dunno some intel thing
[23:37] <hays> pfifo: hmm
[23:38] <Ari-Yang> hays: it's up to you I mean look what I'm running
[23:38] <Ari-Yang> Akaigo-Arc 3.11.4-031104-generic x86_64 Description: Ubuntu 12.10 Codename: quantal
[23:38] <minimec> hays: I don't see a problem... http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.5-quantal/
[23:38] <Ari-Yang> hays: you can always switch between kernels too, do whatever you want
[23:38] <hays> Ari-Yang: hmmm maybe I should try that.
[23:38] <hays> running a 3.11 kernel that is
[23:39] <Ari-Yang> hays: you on 64bit?
[23:39] <chris111> so should ftp hang on opening a binary file in ubuntu until the file is succesfully transferred?
[23:39] <pfifo> hays: try as they might, the ubuntu devs can not provide a single kernel that is one size fits all, doing your own kernel is what you need if its really what you need
[23:40] <numberto> can I install ubuntu 13.04 on top of 13.10?
[23:40] <hays> Ari-Yang: yes
[23:40] <numberto> without touching my home directory
[23:40] <Ari-Yang> numberto: wut? why would you want to do that
[23:40] <Ari-Yang> hays: download http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.6-saucy/linux-headers-3.11.6-031106-generic_3.11.6-031106.201310181453_amd64.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.6-saucy/linux-headers-3.11.6-031106_3.11.6-031106.201310181453_all.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.6-saucy/linux-image-3.11.6-031106-generic_3.11.6-031106.201310181453_amd64.deb move
[23:40] <Ari-Yang>  it into a folder, open terminal cd into that folder and run sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[23:40] <numberto> Ari-Yang: I got some issues with 13.10
[23:41] <Ari-Yang> hays: after installing those .deb reboot
[23:42] <dak0> Hello, anybody have idea how can I incrase the GPU voltage? All I could find with google is that I need to flash my bios, hope there is another way
[23:43] <Ari-Yang> dak0: what? you mean increase gpu clock?
[23:43] <dak0> Ari-Yang, nope I mean increase the gpu vcore voltage
[23:43] <dak0> Ari-Yang, with the stock voltage i'm limited on the overclocking.
[23:43] <pfifo> that sounds dangerous
[23:44] <quidnunc> How do I find which package contains a binary (or file in general) among packages I don't have installed?
[23:44] <ObrienDave> LOL finally got the "Make Ubuntu look like Win7" fiasco fixed. I won't do that again LMAO
[23:44] <quidnunc> (all packages, including ones I don't have installed)
[23:45] <dak0> pfifo@ there is alot of software for Windows, looks like the only way for Linux is to flash the GPU bios and change the voltage..
[23:45] <ObrienDave> oops, OT, my bad ;)
[23:46] <Ari-Yang> dak0: what graphics card do you have?
[23:46] <dak0> Ari-Yang, can't Overclock more then 15-18% with the stock voltage, Nvidia.
[23:46] <minimec> dak0: There seems to be a solution for AMD https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8451.0
[23:46] <pfifo> dak0: flashing your cards bios sounds like trouble.
[23:47] <dak0> minimec: I found that link too but i have nvidia
[23:47] <hays> Ari-Yang: is this somthing that is semi-recoverable from ? :)
[23:47] <pfifo> dak0: dosent nvidia settings allow you to control that?
[23:48] <CarlFK> quidnunc: http://packages.ubuntu.com  or apt-file someething something (or maybe apt-cache? )
[23:48] <Obi1> heloo
[23:48] <dak0> pfifo, no I can only change the GPU core and Memory speed.
[23:48] <Obi1> i have problem can`t launch IPtraf
[23:48] <Ari-Yang> hays: uuhhh you can uninstall the kernel.... I recommend you set the GRUB menu to show up on boot up in case you need to boot into a previous kernel :|
[23:48] <hays> Ari-Yang: is xorg going to be a problem
[23:48] <Ari-Yang> hays: tbh you should be just fine *shrugs*
[23:49] <Ari-Yang> hays: shouldn't be
[23:49] <Obi1> @Obi1Kenobe:~$ iptraf  IPTraf Version 3.0.0 Copyright (c) Gerard Paul Java 1997-2004l  This program can be run only by the system administrator this is the mesage i getting
[23:49] <kostkon> Obi1, sudo iptraf
[23:49] <hays> Ari-Yang: well im doing this to see if borkage in 3.8 is fixed in 3.11
[23:49] <Ari-Yang> hays: what's the output of lspci | grep VGA ?
[23:49] <Obi1> ok tnx
[23:49] <Ari-Yang> hays: wait what problem do you have again? :|
[23:50] <hays> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[23:50] <dak0> Ari-Yang, pfifo, minimec: anyone have idea how can i possible change the voltage?
[23:50] <Ari-Yang> dak0: nup
[23:50] <hays> Ari-Yang: something messed up with both the broadcom drivers available for my wireless card
[23:50] <hays> introduced between 3.5 an 3.8
[23:50] <Ari-Yang> hays: what ubuntu version are you on?
[23:50] <hays> 12.04 LTS
[23:51] <pfifo> dak0: sorry, no. I dont overclock
[23:51] <Ari-Yang> hays: did you update the kernel yourself, ever?
[23:51] <hays> Ari-Yang: but I'd like to upgrade to 13.10 if possible
[23:51] <Ari-Yang> hays: uh yeah, it is possible for you to upgrade to ubuntu 13.10
[23:51] <hays> Ari-Yang: yeah, I've been doing it based on the LTEEnablementSTack advice
[23:51] <cylex> How do I install Ubuntu + Win8 dual boot.
[23:51] <hays> Ari-Yang: well i don't want to do that if my wireless won't work, so this is a test to see if the 3.11 kernel works
[23:52] <Ari-Yang> hays: do you know that proprietary drivers will break if you upgrade the kernel yourself that hasn't been provided by ubuntu via software updater?
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> cylex, This a W8 oem a uefi setup?
[23:52] <Ari-Yang> hays: you'll have to use DKMS I think to build the driver
[23:52] <cylex> wilee-nilee: dual boot
[23:52] <Ari-Yang> !DKMS > hays
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> cylex, Do you understand the question?
[23:52] <Ari-Yang> hays: why not use the open source driver?
[23:53] <hays> Ari-Yang: that's what it normally uses.. but it appears broken in 3.8
[23:53] <hays> brcmsmac
[23:53] <cylex> wilee-nilee: yes with uefi
[23:53] <Ari-Yang> hays: idk *shrugs* do whatever, good luck
[23:53] <hays> thanks
[23:53] <wilee-nilee> cylex, Then, is there a uefi set up now?
[23:54] <cylex> wilee-nilee: not sure it only runs in legacy mode for me, so far.
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> cylex, Did you install W8?
[23:55] <quidnunc> CarlFK: apt-file, I can never remember the name of that program
[23:55] <quidnunc> CarlFK: thanks
[23:55] <CarlFK> quidnunc: yay :)
[23:55] <hays> holy balls that 3.11 kernel works
[23:56] <wilee-nilee> cylex, uefi and msdos are completely different, and require different install parameters, so this is key information if you want correct info.
[23:58] <cylex> wilee-nilee: so uefi is propietary so it can't be dualbooted.
[23:58] <cylex> right?
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> cylex, No, it is just a different type of install.
[23:58] <hays> if I want to update to 13.10, do I run update-manager -d ?  that seems to push me to update to 14.x
[23:59] <ObrienDave> cylex... yes it can be dual booted.
[23:59] <Ari-Yang> [19:55:53] <hays> holy balls that 3.11 kernel works ---> nice :T
[23:59] <hays> Ari-Yang: so now I want to upgade to whatever ubuntu version has that kernel