[01:56] <_genuser_> hey folks.
[01:57] <_genuser_> anybody using tor on xubuntu?
[02:03] <cubed_root> _genuser_: i haven't, but i've used it on windows and mac
[02:04] <cubed_root> well, maybe i have -- i tried the tails distro the other day, and i think that uses tor by default?
[02:06] <cubed_root> anyone know if there's a way to avoid windows from opening in front of the window/app that has focus when you've restarted a saved session?
[02:19] <xubuntu313> I may be in the wrong place for this but I've been having a frustrating issue with xubuntu 14.04
[02:19] <xubuntu313> I have an external VGA monitor (32" Sharp TV) that worked with windows installed on my Dell D600 but now ith Xubuntu I cannot get it to display anything but a black screen
[02:20] <xubuntu313> I have tried every resolution and refresh rate with no luck
[02:22] <mapps> have you tried the forums?
[02:22] <mapps> did it work before upgrading to 14.04?
[02:22] <xubuntu313> no, never worked with any ubuntu
[02:22] <mapps> oh
[02:23] <xubuntu313> I have a fresh install of 14.04 that is up to date, I have tried fresh installs of everything from 11.04 on with no luck
[02:23] <mapps> hmm
[02:24] <xubuntu313> I have used xrandr --verbose in the terminal and it recognizes the monitor, just no actual output
[02:25] <limpc> hi!
[02:25] <limpc> i just did a fresh reinstall of xubuntu a few days ago and have been having a major problem with it since.  whenever it locks the screen,  and I want to return to my desktop, I get the password dialog immediately, but after entering my password and the lock screen disappears, the entire desktop acts frozen for a very long time (sometimes up to several minutes)
[02:26] <limpc> its like, a black screen but you can see the panels just no content in them (they dont paint for a very long time).
[03:32] <_genuser_> cubed_root: sorry looked away. using tor bundle from their own website.
[03:32] <_genuser_> it's a bit slow. but the vmware itself is super slow. I need to turn on virtualization in the bios on this amd.
[03:32] <_genuser_> why would you ever turn it off, AMD?
[03:49] <paulmadore> Hi quick (seemingly stupid) question... I am using an old Lenovo box with an INtel processor; it's 3Ghz and when I run cat /proc/cpuinfo i get clflush size	: 64.. am i to use the "amd64" torrent to reinstall or should i stay with 32bit as I did the first time, not wanting to risk it for lack of knowledge? the download of amd64 just finished.
[03:49] <paulmadore> (thanks in advance)
[03:50] <paulmadore> i also wanted to know if xubuntu will necessarily be the best to try LXQt on or if there is another distro I should try it with instead? basically i've reached my toleration with the dependency conflicts i've created recently and i'm reinstalling no matter what; i love xubuntu and i'm only looking to give LXQt a quick try.
[05:02] <paulmadore> oh come on now
[05:02] <paulmadore> you guys cna't see this is the problem with us?
[05:03] <paulmadore> okay, i'm just going with 32 bit again. for now.
[06:21] <christian> hello
[06:22] <Guest58616> i am looking for help
[06:22] <Guest58616> there is a trojan or sth in my linux :(
[06:25] <bazhang> why do you say that
[06:26] <Guest58616> i ran chkrotkit yesterday
[06:26] <Guest58616> it gave me some results
[06:26] <Guest58616> had to reformat and its back
[06:26] <bazhang> thats often giving false positives
[06:27] <Guest58616> im not familiar with linux
[06:27] <bazhang> I wouldn't worry about it
[06:27] <Guest58616> my windows drive is infected
[06:27] <bazhang> and?
[06:28] <baizon> Guest58616: windows trojan doesnt affect linux
[06:28] <baizon> *trojans*
[06:35] <xubuntu446> hi
[06:35] <xubuntu446> where to find synapse for xubuntu
[06:35] <bazhang> !find synapse
[06:36] <xubuntu446> how to install synapse?
[06:36] <baizon> xubuntu446: use the ppa
[06:37] <baizon> xubuntu446: http://askubuntu.com/questions/449285/is-synapse-application-launcher-available
[08:56] <Bracker> Hello Guys, I have just purchased a new laptop (Windows 8) and I am trying to dual boot with XUbuntu. It boots to Windows fine, but I cant get a dual boot screen at startup. I can use the Windows Disk to boot XUbuntu so both OS's are working fine. Can someone help me or point me in the right direction to get a dual boot?
[08:56] <Bracker> Many Thanks.
[09:12] <koegs> knome: xfce4-panel keeps crashing if i use xfonts-terminus as default font
[09:12] <knome> koegs, why do you tell me this? :)
[09:13] <koegs> i am not sure, i am not really awake, i should create a bug report :)
[09:13] <knome> yep
[10:03] <Bracker> Hello Guys, I have just purchased a new laptop and it is running Windows 8. I have succesfully installed XUbuntu onto the laptop also. The problem is, I have no DualBoot menu at startup... Can anybody help or guide me to a page that could assist me?
[10:04] <Bracker> Many Thanks.
[10:09] <well_laid_lawn> !dualboot
[10:39] <paolo> !lvm
[10:39] <paolo> !lvm2
[10:52] <starrats> good morning everyone
[10:53] <gry> morning
[11:05] <starrats> good morning skribblezatcha
[11:23] <paolo> i'm trying to install xubuntu with lvm on an empty disk. do i have to create PV, VG and LG during installation or once the system is installed, via cli?
[11:24] <paolo> then, during the installation, when it's prompted for "Installation type", what should I choose? Use LVM with the new Xubuntu installation or Something else (manually)?
[13:22] <xubuntu740> Hi everyone
[13:23] <xubuntu740> I need to know if I can update from 13 to 14 without reinstalling everything
[13:23] <baizon> xubuntu740: yes, you can
[13:23] <xubuntu740> do you have a link where I can find some instructions?
[13:24] <baizon> xubuntu740: just run your update manager
[13:24] <xubuntu740> Won't do the upgrade
[13:24] <baizon> it should appear at the top of the window
[13:25] <xubuntu740> I updated and run the upgrade in console
[13:26] <baizon> xubuntu740: http://www.tecmint.com/upgrade-ubuntu-to-14-04/
[13:26] <elfy> xubuntu740: which 13? 13.04 is EOL - 13.10 isn't
[13:27] <xubuntu740> how can I see my current version_
[13:27] <xubuntu740> ?
[13:27] <baizon> xubuntu740: which kernel version are you using?
[13:27] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: in a terminal window run -> lsb_release -r
[13:28] <baizon> yeah, or this command :D
[13:28] <xubuntu740> ver 13.04
[13:28] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740, 13.04 is EOL like elfy mentioned
[13:29] <xubuntu740> sorry, english is not my natural and some words may escape my knowledge
[13:29] <xubuntu740> E0L?
[13:29] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: end of life
[13:29] <xubuntu740> oh
[13:29] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: you should upgrade to Xubuntu 14.04
[13:30] <xubuntu740> yes, I'm trying to get there
[13:30] <xubuntu740> but the Update soft won't work
[13:30] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: 14.04 is a LTS version (LTS stands for long term support)
[13:31] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: you first have to upgrade to 13.10 and just afterwards proceed with the upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04
[13:31] <xubuntu740> I see
[13:31] <slickymasterWork> you can't upgrade directly from 13.04 to 14.04
[13:31] <xubuntu740> Upgrade won't take me to that step first?
[13:32] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: in a terminal window run the following (one at a time)
[13:32] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: 1º sudo apt-get update
[13:33] <slickymasterWork> 2ª sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:33] <slickymasterWork> 3º do-release-upgrade
[13:33] <xubuntu740> I just ran as root: apt-get update && dist-upgrade
[13:33] <slickymasterWork> if you get any errors please tell us
[13:34] <slickymasterWork> you shouldn't be running commands as root xubuntu740
[13:34] <slickymasterWork> please leave the root prompt and run -> do-release-upgrade
[13:34] <xubuntu740> I know that :3 is just a bad habit
[13:36] <xubuntu740> running -> do-release-upgrade
[13:40] <xubuntu740> it's updating some packages
[13:41] <slickymasterWork> let it run xubuntu740
[13:42] <xubuntu740> btw anyone knows of a repository to install Java 6?
[13:42] <xubuntu740> I have a program that can't run without it, and I need to install Java6 on Xubuntu 14.xx
[13:43] <bah_> hi .... I still struggle with my keyboard mapping but have now made a gist with results given by xev ,  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/45905741d1c6e8d66aef
[13:44] <bah_> can anybody understand why the Swedish and English layout return different values ?
[13:45] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: openjdk or Oracle JDK?
[13:45] <xubuntu740> Oracle JDK
[13:46] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java
[13:47] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: sudo apt-get update
[13:47] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: sudo apt-get install oracle-java6-installer
[13:47] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740: that PPA includes JDK, JRE and the browser plugin
[13:50] <xubuntu740> Nice, thank you very much
[13:51] <slickymasterWork> xubuntu740, np
[14:14] <ddsss> suddenly html5 audio on youtube in firefox and chrome play 2x as fast. why?
[14:14] <ddsss> ^ I don't have flash plugin installed.
[14:19] <GridCube> ddsss, do other sounds are speed up as well?
[14:20] <ddsss> GridCube, hmm. weirdness. no audacious says: "ALSA error: snd_pcm_open failed: Connection refused."
[14:20] <GridCube> ddsss, open pavucontrol and see what devices are atached
[14:21] <ddsss> GridCube, it locks up on estalishing connection to pulseaudio. Pelase wait.
[14:21] <ddsss> im gonna reboot. hang on.
[14:22] <ddsss> ma - ssd reboots are fast
[14:23] <ddsss> GridCube, Audacious says "ALSA error: snd_pcm_open failed: No such file or directory.
[14:23] <ddsss> "
[14:23] <GridCube> ddsss, try to do sudo alsa force-unload && sudo alsa force-reload
[14:24] <ddsss> ok
[14:25] <ddsss> GridCube, pavuccontrol now saya "Conenction to PulseAudio failed. AUtomatic retry in 5 s"
[14:25] <GridCube> well if alsa is not loaded it wont be able to connect to it
[14:25] <ddsss> GridCube, "Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-page-alloc snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-rawmidi snd-seq snd-seq-device snd-timer (failed: modules still loaded: snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-page-alloc snd-timer)."
[14:26] <ddsss> ^ is what it says on " sudo alsa force-unload && sudo alsa force-reload"
[14:26] <GridCube> try to do it separadetly, first the unload and then the reload
[14:27] <ddsss> " sudo alsa force-reload
[14:27] <ddsss> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded).
[14:27] <ddsss> Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload)."
[14:28] <GridCube> oookay, the only way i know to reload alsa in this cases is a reboot, im sure there might be other ways, but thats the only one i know
[14:28] <ddsss> GridCube, I'll just reinstall xubuntu from scratch.
[14:28] <ddsss> GridCube, pretty sure dist-upgrade causes all kinds of issues.
[14:29] <GridCube> oh
[14:29] <GridCube> well, it can, it havent for me for the past few releases but it can
[15:28] <xubuntu740> slickymasterWork, you there?
[16:43] <tsaavik> zomg, dconf-editor com->canonical->indicator  FINALLY fixed my annoying clock, lol
[16:49] <ddsss> there seem to be many issues with 14.04 update. 1) monitor doesnt wake up after toggling monitor on/off button 2) hdmi audio disappeared 3) cannot import saved Openvpn confgis -> segfaults.
[16:50] <ddsss> ^all confirmed with bugreports filed.
[17:09] <xubuntu776> hello. help me please to add this channel at XChat
[17:09] <z4nD4R> Hi all I have issue with message-indicator.. simply doesn't work propertly... (with thunderbird, lifera, pidgin) Any advices, alternatives? .. thx
[17:17] <gaucer> hello
[17:18] <slickymasterWork> !hi | gaucer
[17:28] <huatou>  /set irc_conf_mode on
[17:28] <huatou> oops
[17:32] <tsaavik> z4nD4R: is it crashing?
[17:35] <z4nD4R> tsaavik: no .. but deosn't notification when something new has happend (new mail, new articke in liferea, and even doesn't show pidgin icons)
[17:41] <tsaavik> if you right click and hit properties, are the 'hidden' checkboxes checked?
[17:43] <tsaavik> dconf-editor  com->canonical->indicator->messages will show what applications are tracked in the messaging window
[17:43] <tsaavik> on mine i have applications  ['pidgin.desktop']
[17:44] <tsaavik> note: I had to 'hide' the 'Application Menus (Global Menu)' or mine would crash constantly
[17:45] <z4nD4R> tsaavik: I don't have hidden any of it. I can see message indicator.. but it doesn't notify if something new..
[17:45] <z4nD4R> tsaavik: dconf-editor.. I haven't installed it yet.. I use "standart" settings editor. isn't enough?
[17:48] <tsaavik> z4nD4R: I dunno, I never saw settings for it in the standard one
[17:49] <z4nD4R> tsaavik: that fits.. w8 I'm gonna install it
[17:50] <z4nD4R> I don't have there pidgin.desktop
[17:59] <z4nD4R> tsaavik: nice.. I've placed pidgin in message-indicator.. show this indicator new mails to?
[18:03] <z4nD4R> tsaavik: and.. can you tell me, why this indicator doesn't indicate when liferea has new articel?
[18:08] <gaucer> hy
[18:09] <gaucer> sorry for my bad english
[18:10] <gaucer> I installed Nemo, how I can make it as default manager? google didn't helped. still all is opening from Thunar
[18:12] <z4nD4R> gaucer: I don't know what Nemo ist.. but based on your info it's a file manager.. well it should be easy Settings -> Prefferd Applicatoins -> Utilites -> file manager
[18:12] <gaucer> it's file manager at Cinnamon
[18:14] <gaucer> big thanks) feeling like a noob(
[18:14] <gaucer> didn't seen Prefferd Applicatoins at settings
[18:15] <z4nD4R> gaucer: you sure? It should be there
[18:15] <gaucer> no,no
[18:15] <gaucer> i find it
[18:15] <gaucer> i hadn't seen it
[18:15] <gaucer> nut now all is ok
[18:16] <z4nD4R> gaucer: :)0
[18:19] <gaucer> else one question: how add this channel in bookmarks? using XChat
[18:19] <z4nD4R> gaucer: well I can't serve anymore.. I use pidgin :)
[18:20] <gaucer> write please server name fo this channel)
[18:20] <elfy> gaucer: right click on channel name in the side-pane - autojoin, that will autojoin you possibly not what you want to do though
[18:21] <gaucer> at right click is just notific.. and settings
[18:21] <elfy> mmm ok - so do you want to autojoin this channel when you start xchat?
[18:22] <gaucer> yes
[18:22] <elfy> gaucer: just a second then
[18:22] <gaucer> ok)
[18:24] <elfy> gaucer: is there an add to favourites choice in the right click menu?
[18:24] <gaucer> no..it was once but now isn't
[18:24] <gaucer> i'll try one thing
[18:26] <elfy> gaucer: Ctrl+S - Edit Freenode - then you can add to FAvourite channels
[18:26] <elfy> personally I prefer to use User Commands and User buttons
[18:28] <gaucer> what is adress of this server?
[18:28] <tsaavik> z4nD4R note sure, maybe you can add it?
[18:28] <gaucer> irc.ubuntu.com?
[18:28] <z4nD4R> tsaavik: I have.. thunderbird there. but doesn't notify me.. if I have new email...
[18:29] <elfy> gaucer: or irc.freenode.net
[18:29] <tsaavik> z4nD4R: hmm, maybe there is a thunderbird setting as well?
[18:30] <tsaavik> z4nD4R: ah, maybe try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1439519
[18:31] <tsaavik> this command will show which apps are registered to report in
[18:31] <tsaavik> gsettings get com.canonical.indicator.messages applications
[18:39] <gaucer> what theme you can advise?
[18:40] <z4nD4R> tsaavik: thx
[19:03] <gema1> hello, after my last update, my flashplayer does not work fullscreen. Is there an easy way to rollback to delete my last updates?
[19:26] <ddsss> what's the difference between "ubuntu restricted extras" and "xubuntu restricted extras"?
[19:28] <baizon> ddsss: ubuntu contains the "chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra" package
[19:29] <ddsss> baizon, does xubuntu thinks those are not necessary?
[19:29] <baizon> no, they are not
[20:01] <atsukisama> gema1: Are you still here ?
[20:02] <gema1> yes, waiting answer :)
[20:02] <gema1> playing some poker while
[20:02] <atsukisama> gema1: what naviguator are you using ?
[20:02] <gema1> i have not installed flash, so im using build in in chrome
[20:03] <gema1> i read before updating there was a chrome update
[20:03] <atsukisama> gema1: chromium ?
[20:03] <gema1> no, im using google chrome
[20:04] <gema1> flash runs faster
[20:04] <atsukisama> gema1: oh i see
[20:04] <gema1> so may i rollback my chrome update?
[20:05] <atsukisama> gema1: hehe i understand, anyway that's simply because firefox/opera are having hardtime with flash acceleration
[20:05] <atsukisama> gema1: but since you are on xubunut, i would recommand chromium instead of chrome
[20:05] <gema1> i have an old computer and flash runs laggy in anyother browser but chrome, but with last update i have not full screen flash, just balckscreen
[20:05] <gema1> i use chromium for other than flash
[20:06] <atsukisama> gema1: well i use chromium and it work pretty well (html5 or flash)
[20:06] <gema1> and a happy firefox user for deeper browsing
[20:07] <gema1> is not my case though, i cant watch a (for example) youtube video over 4xx pixels with other browser but chrome
[20:07] <gema1> i have an old one core 2gh processor
[20:07] <atsukisama> gema1:mmm well can you use hardware acceleration ?
[20:08] <gema1> yes, but still flash player fryes my cpu in other than chrome
[20:09] <atsukisama> gema1: mmm, well i would recommand to roll back to your old version of chrome or just trying chromium
[20:09] <gema1> should i google for chrome versions and do an uninstall?
[20:09] <atsukisama> gema1: if ever you can, use proprietary driver for your graphic card, might work better while using hardware acceleration
[20:10] <gema1> and install older version
[20:10] <gema1> no, no propietary driver need for my integrated intel card
[20:10] <gema1> as Hardware Manager shows
[20:11] <atsukisama> gema1: oh well true
[20:11] <atsukisama> gema1: then 2 choice, uninstall and get an older version of chrome (hoping that he don't auto install a recent one) or use linux chromium
[20:12] <gema1> im going to try chrome full screen, i havent try, even though it will run laggy, i want to see if there works full screen
[20:12] <gema1> but i will still need chrome for hd videos
[20:13] <atsukisama> gema1: i got hard time to give advice as i don't run linux on old computer :/
[20:22] <gema1> hehe, thank you though
[20:22] <gema1> i only have old computer, no money for better and im happy with both my old computers
[20:24] <atsukisama> gema1: btw you can try to simply reasintall flash
[20:25] <elfy> does not chrome use pepper flash or something ?
[20:25] <atsukisama> elfy: indeed, for chromium, as for chrome i do'nt really know
[22:54] <agnor> hello, can you guys help me? i'm trying to connect my laptop to TV via VGA to DVI on my new xubuntu 14.04 but i get no signal on my TV


[02:29] <mup> PR snapd#10306 opened: snap/quota: add CurrentMemoryUsage for current memory usage of a quota group <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <quota> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10306>
[03:03] <freenodecom> This channel has been reopened with respect to the communities and new users. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies
[03:03] <freenodecom> The new channel is ##snappy
[11:23] <pstolowski> pedronis: i just saw you comment re debug api access while i was updating the PR to restrict it with rootAccess for stacktrace only (with a separate endpoint). shall I instead make it rootOnly for all debug api?
[11:24] <pstolowski> s/rootOnly/rootAccess/
[11:24] <pstolowski> biab, lunch
[11:38] <mardy> so, I need some advice :-)
[11:39] <mardy> the microk8s snap ships a profile for containerd: https://github.com/ubuntu/microk8s/blob/master/microk8s-resources/containerd-profile
[11:40] <mardy> I don't think we want snaps to ship their own profiles, but I'm also not sure what is the best way forward
[11:40] <mardy> one possibility would be to enhance the kubernetes-support interface, and add a sub-profile for containerd in there
[11:41] <mardy> another option is to add a containerd-support interface, and have the containerd-daemon use that
[11:41] <mardy> anything else?
[11:47] <zyga> mardy it's hard to pull permissions
[11:47] <zyga> mardy if it ships a profile it can load it
[11:48] <zyga> so you cannot revoke that without some extra new optional parameter that says it has an interface but wants a more limited version because it expects snapd to do stuff
[11:48] <zyga> note that the profile it ships is not in the snap.* namespace either
[11:48] <zyga> so it's really a case of a snap having permissions to define custom sandbox for something it manages
[11:52] <mardy> zyga: I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but in this case pulling permissions would be easier, because the microk8s snap is also developed by Canonical
[11:52] <mardy> it's "just" a matter of deciding where to put this profile, and how to load it
[11:53] <zyga> mardy I suspect that a snap interface _could_ load a profile from outside of the snap.* namespace but that is indeed new
[11:53] <zyga> mardy do you know if microk8s leaves its apparmor profile explicitly?
[11:53] <zyga> and sets up things to be in cri-containerd.apparmor.d profile?
[11:53] <zyga> I also wonder what you gain by moving that profile somewhere else
[11:54] <zyga> updates now would require updating snapd
[11:54] <zyga> arguably this is easier now
[11:54] <mardy> zyga: yes, a script reexecutes itself with aa-exec as unconfined, then loads the cri-containerd profile with apparmor_parser :-)
[11:54] <zyga> okay
[11:54] <mardy> zyga: but I see that here we have a subprofile, for example: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/interfaces/builtin/kubernetes_support.go#L66-L68
[11:54] <zyga> I think as unfortunate as that is, it's cleaner if it's not in the snapd profile
[11:55] <mardy> and I wonder if we shouldn't do the same for containerd
[11:55] <zyga> hmmm
[11:56] <zyga> that's a profile for a specific binary though
[11:56] <zyga> how would you transition?
[11:56]  * ogra wonders what "cri-" stands for
[11:56] <zyga> (here microk8s must manually run things in that profile)
[11:56] <zyga> container runtime icannotmakeupmymind
[11:56] <ogra> haha
[11:56] <ogra> i like the last bit
[11:57] <mardy> zyga: AFAIU, containerd then would create specific apparmor profiles for its containers: https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/apparmor/
[11:59] <zyga> mardy I guess with enough coordination it is possible
[11:59] <zyga> what do microk8s folks say?
[12:04] <mardy> zyga: I will ask them next :-)
[12:12] <zyga> mardy one thing being problematic here is that it may require a new assumes: snapdXYZ in the microk8s snap
[12:36] <mardy> kubernetes-support     microk8s:k8s-journald           -                    -
[12:36] <mardy> kubernetes-support     microk8s:k8s-kubelet            -                    -
[12:36] <mardy> kubernetes-support     microk8s:k8s-kubeproxy          -                    -
[12:36] <mardy> kubernetes-support     microk8s:kubernetes-support     :kubernetes-support  -
[12:37] <mardy> any idea why the last one is autoconnected, while the previous three are not?
[12:40] <pstolowski> mardy: the previous one is a new interface you're working on right?
[12:43] <mardy> pstolowski: no, I'm innocent here :-)
[12:43] <mardy> pstolowski: all those microk8s:k8s-* plugs are different flavors of the kubernetes-support interface
[12:45] <zyga> mardy I have a guess
[12:45] <zyga> actually
[12:45] <zyga> maybe not
[12:45] <zyga> can you share the slot and plug info?
[12:45] <zyga> I thought it's something but I'm not sure anymore
[12:45] <zyga> that info should help
[12:47] <mardy> zyga: https://github.com/ubuntu/microk8s/blob/feature/jdb/strict/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L26-L34
[12:47] <mardy> or did you mean from snapd?
[12:47] <zyga> and can you share the snap decl assertion
[12:47] <zyga> no that's fine
[12:48] <zyga> snap known snap-declaration # I forget what you have to say here
[12:51] <mardy> zyga: you mean this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tMZ3W9RQBV/
[12:52] <zyga> yes
[12:52] <zyga> it has auto-connection on kubernetes-support
[12:52] <zyga> I wonder how the interface name matters in auto-connection rules
[12:53] <zyga> I think pedronis would know but I recall there was some language to constrain interface names as well
[12:53] <mardy> zyga: when you enable autoconnection on one interface, does that apply to all flavors? or do you need to list them explicitly?
[12:54] <zyga> flavour is just an attribute
[12:54] <zyga> it's not special in the system AFAIK
[12:54] <zyga> have a look at interfaces/policy as well
[12:54] <pedronis> mardy: it applies to all unless there are extra constraint on it
[12:54] <zyga> I don't recall
[12:54] <zyga> hey ijohnson
[12:54] <ijohnson> hey zyga
[12:54] <pedronis> mardy: for example on attributes or plug names
[12:54] <mardy> mmm.. here it looks like it's doing something special based on the flavor: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/interfaces/builtin/kubernetes_support.go#L306-L323
[12:54] <zyga> mardy it could be that the core policy has something about it
[12:54] <ijohnson> zyga: how are things with you these days ?
[12:55] <zyga> mardy the core policy together witih snap decl on microk8s should have all the input to the engine that decides
[12:55] <zyga> ijohnson oh good, a bit over worked as usual but it's still fun
[12:55] <zyga> setting up CI lab for zephyr and linux boards
[12:55] <ijohnson> yeah I've heard about all the adventures in testing real metal boards with spread
[12:55] <zyga> looking into projects that do zephyr updates
[12:56] <zyga> looking into some linux updates for a gateway as well
[12:56] <zyga> ijohnson yeah, we're working with Linaro to extend spread to support using lava
[12:56] <zyga> or to be precise, to emit lava jobs
[12:56] <zyga> so that CI like gitlab or github can schedule lava jobs and collect results back
[12:56] <ijohnson> nice
[12:57] <zyga> yeah, though it took some convincing :D
[12:57] <ijohnson> :-D
[12:58] <zyga> I wish we could merge some of that back
[12:58] <zyga> that's always an option, I know everyone is busy
[12:58] <ijohnson> yeah I wish spread was more actively maintained as well
[12:58] <ijohnson> I mean everybody wishes everything was more actively maintained though haha
[12:59] <zyga> I think we can all collectively fork it if we're happy with that
[12:59] <zyga> I hope it's not needed
[12:59] <ijohnson> true always an option
[12:59] <ijohnson> anyways /me -> SU
[12:59] <zyga> o/
[13:34] <pedronis> ijohnson: this is probably something simple you can review https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10310 as you were in the discussions
[13:34] <mardy> is there any way for a snap to know if this is its first execution after boot?
[13:35] <ijohnson> pedronis: sure
[13:38] <mardy> the mikrok8s needs this, but their current way of getting this information requires access to /proc/1/environ: https://github.com/ubuntu/microk8s/blob/master/microk8s-resources/actions/common/utils.sh#L684-L686
[13:38] <mardy> so I was wondering that, unless we have something like this already, maybe we could provide this information via a snapctl action?
[13:58] <ijohnson> mardy: that feels a bit broken, can they not just write a file to /tmp the first time they start and if that file exists it's not the first start ?
[14:07] <pedronis> mardy: we try not to provide things via snapctl unless it's really snap specific or there's no other way to mediate the access
[14:25] <pstolowski> mvo: can you land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10284 ? unrelated failures..
[14:25] <pedronis> mborzecki: ijohnson: I created https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10311 related to the SU discussion and 10255
[14:25] <mvo> pstolowski: done
[14:26] <pstolowski> ty!
[14:35] <ijohnson> pedronis: ack thanks for this
[14:36] <ijohnson> pedronis: related, how do you feel about making post to quotas related things authenticated? it currently is root only and it's ever so slightly annoying to me that I need to use sudo
[14:38] <mardy> ijohnson: uh, why didn't I think of that... :-)
[14:39] <ijohnson> mardy: haha no worries I'm sure this code works fine outside of confinement and wasn't written expecting to be confined at all
[14:42] <mardy> ijohnson: don't we set TMPDIR to something else, when running a snap? Or can confined snaps write to /tmp?
[14:43] <ijohnson> mardy: confined snaps have a different /tmp mounted for them, from the host system, a snap's /tmp is something like /tmp/snap_foobar/
[14:43] <mardy> at least we don't, according to https://snapcraft.io/docs/environment-variables
[14:43] <mardy> ah, nice
[14:43] <ijohnson> mardy: so we don't set the TMPDIR value to something else, it still points to /tmp by default, but /tmp is not /tmp on the host
[14:43] <ijohnson> hey roadmr
[14:43] <mardy> ijohnson: nice
[14:45] <pedronis> ijohnson: I think it's a bit premature to do that change, my current impression is that root still seems correct
[14:46] <ijohnson> pedronis: ack, as I said it's just slightly annoying for me to remember during development
[14:48] <roadmr> o/
[15:15] <ijohnson> pedronis: do you know the status of #8919 ? claudio marked it blocked waiting for some better API from Chris, but it's not clear to me better API was ever implemented
[15:33] <om26er> O Hi!
[15:33] <om26er> I need my cloak back
[15:33] <om26er> ;-)
[15:34] <ogra> om26er, #ubuntu-irc hands them out
[15:35] <ogra> (and the libera ones are much nicer too ... if you modify them a bit they turn into superhero capes 😉 )
[15:41] <pedronis> ijohnson: we need to resync with chris
[16:05] <ijohnson> pedronis: ack, I will leave the pr be then
[16:38] <pedronis> ijohnson: btw, did you see I commented on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9965 a while ago?
[16:39] <ijohnson> oh sorry yes I did see you commented on that, but forgot to respond / address your points
[16:39] <ijohnson> I will respond today
[16:39] <ijohnson> thanks
[16:39] <ijohnson> pedronis: what do you think of my proposal for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10304#discussion_r639795752 ?
[16:52] <pedronis> ijohnson: I commented making a suggestion
[16:52]  * ijohnson thanks
[16:52] <ijohnson> err
[16:52] <ijohnson> thanks pedronis
[16:52] <pedronis> heh
[17:02] <ijohnson> pedronis: related to the default-providers question, is there also a possibly similar question for super-privileged snaps like lxd or docker being pulled in automatically that the user didn't consent to? I mean those snaps are strictly confined so probably it's fine?
[17:32] <pedronis> ijohnson: no, that's different, also we would likely control which snaps can pull them in
[17:33] <ijohnson> ok makes sense


[07:46] <Z1efin> I need help with Nvidia Drivers for Ubuntu 13 MCP55 Ethernet
[07:46] <Z1efin> on the Asus P5N32-E SLI Premium motherboard
[07:47] <Z1efin> Nvidia GPU is GeForce8800 GTS


[07:35] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[07:40] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:40] <duflu> Or it was till someone broke the mutter ABI
[07:40] <duflu> had to happen eventually
[07:41] <duflu> (implicit "good" prefix :)
[07:41] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:57] <duflu> hi ho willcooke
[07:57] <duflu> actually the next line of that song applies too
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[07:59] <willcooke> hi duflu
[07:59] <duflu> Actually my memory of Snow White is incorrect
[08:17] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[08:25] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[08:44] <Laney> moin
[08:44] <willcooke> hi Laney
[08:46] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[08:46] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:47] <Laney> hey willcooke oSoMoN duflu
[08:47] <Laney> what's up?
[08:48] <duflu> Laney, I think I have bad news. Just confirming now... https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/218
[08:48] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 218 in mutter "[regression] mutter doesn't start anymore" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[08:53] <duflu> Yeah, that's the one. It's the HEAD too
[08:53] <Laney> yeah I saw that, don't worry about it
[08:54] <Laney> Going to look shortly.
[08:54] <duflu> Laney, I have to - it's stopping me from doing my job. Got a fix handy?
[08:54] <duflu> OK
[08:54] <duflu> Will skip it
[08:55] <Laney> I'm sure you know how to revert a commit
[08:56] <duflu> Laney, yes I have a variety of workarounds. Just happened to coincide with the ABI bump too, which changes my workflow
[08:56] <duflu> Only a speedbump
[09:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:03] <duflu> Hi seb128
[09:03] <willcooke> morning seb128
[09:04] <seb128> hey duflu, willcooke
[09:04] <seb128> how are things here? had a good w.e?
[09:04] <willcooke> all good, how was your weekend?  Looks like it was a blast!
[09:05] <seb128> nice but a bit exhausting as well
[09:05] <seb128> I'm glad we had an easy evening yesterday, no social event organized :)
[09:05] <seb128> GUADEC was great
[09:48] <Laney> duflu: can you try that commit please?
[09:49] <duflu> Laney, OK will do before EOD. Working on tangential gnome-shell problems :/
[10:02] <duflu> (before EOD means very soon)
[10:27] <seb128> willcooke, andyrock, I can confirm the livepatch notifications don't work, that's because /var/snap/canonical-livepatch/current/status is 600 root owned and update-notifier can't read its content
[10:29] <willcooke> ah, nice one seb128
[10:29] <seb128> dunno when that changed and it's by design though
[10:30] <seb128> or a bug on the livepatch side
[10:30] <seb128> hum, need to reboot to have the new snapd interface available, brb
[11:16] <pitti> Laney: hey, how are you?
[11:16] <pitti> Laney: I'm afraid I broke CI again with https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/9534
[11:16] <gitlab-bot> systemd issue (Pull request) 9534 in systemd "Fix networkd test" (comments: 3) [Network, Tests, Open]
[11:17] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[11:17] <Laney> hey pitti
[11:17] <Laney> oops /o\
[11:17] <pitti> it seems stopping systemd-networkd somehow fails the ssh connection (this works fine locally -- stopping networkd does NOT automatically tear down existing interfaces)
[11:17] <Laney> we should robustify this stuff
[11:18] <pitti> Laney: could you please kill the UPSTREAM_PULL_REQUEST=9534 runs? I think they are auto-tmpfail-retrying
[11:18] <Laney> & yeah I'm good, having fun in Almería this week
[11:18] <Laney> surue
[11:18] <pitti> ça va seb128 !
[11:18] <Laney> sure*
[11:18] <Laney> do you need logs?
[11:18] <pitti> Laney: ah, you're on GUADEC too?
[11:18] <pitti> Laney: if it's cheap for you to get one, it would be nice; I expect something like an ssh failure
[11:19] <pitti> I'll try to reproduce it with a local ssh runner
[11:19] <Laney> sí señor!
[11:19] <pitti> Laney: muchas gracias !
[11:22] <Laney> I'll let this last one run and then pastebin the log
[13:15] <willcooke> seb128, andyrock - FYI, I chmoded a+r that current/status file and got a notification about 2 updates having been applied
[13:28] <Laney> pitti: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zSFPnkTmrr/
[13:28] <pitti> Laney: ooooh! that helps a lot actually
[13:28] <pitti> networkd-test.py     PASS
[13:28] <pitti> \o/
[13:29] <pitti> I just haven't tried to turn it of *and on* again!
[13:29] <pitti> Laney: ¡muchas gracias, señor!
[13:29] <Laney> de nada!
[13:30] <pitti> Laney: so I suppose once I fix it, the loop should come to a natural end, too
[14:44] <pitti> Laney: I pushed a fix; I'll hawkeye it, and tell you if/when I will break it again
[14:45] <Laney> 🦅
[14:47] <LocutusOfBorg> Wimpress, hello, mate-desktop merge/sync please?
[14:47] <LocutusOfBorg> it is holding some mate packages right now
[14:48] <kenvandine> seb128, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/377778285/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_gnome-system-monitor_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:52] <seb128> kenvandine, you need https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/0.105-18
[14:56] <Laney> cool uploader
[14:58] <seb128> :)
[15:04] <kenvandine> Laney, the coolest
[15:33] <abeato> cyphermox, hey, Aleksander (MM maintainer) has created LP: #1780606 . It looks like NM's file 10-globally-managed-devices.conf is wrong, do you know which is the intent of that file?
[15:34] <jamesh> andyrock: I made a few comments on your libsoup MR: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libsoup/merge_requests/6 (Robrert mentioned it in passing here)
[15:34] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 6 in libsoup "Allow http over unix socket" (comments: 6) [Opened]
[15:35] <andyrock> Kk thanks
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: yay, s390x finished already, so at least not completely broken :)
[16:32] <cyphermox> abeato: it's meant to make sure NM manages the devices when we need it to, and ignores them when it needs to, considering that we install netplan
[16:34] <cyphermox> abeato: in other words, ok, the values are wrong, we should just fix it
[16:34] <abeato> cyphermox, great, I wanted to confirm that
[16:57] <oSoMoN> have a good evening everyone
[17:33] <willcooke> night all


[00:02] <plavcik> nalioth: yes, you right, I noticed it too late :)
[11:37] <rzr> hi
[11:47] <rzr> any aliens in here ?
[11:47] <rzr> probally ... and alien users ?
[11:47] <rzr> http://www.omgili.com/mailinglist/debian-devel/lists/debian/org/20071123204406GR554samadcomau.html
[11:50] <Kirrus> hi rzi
[11:51] <Kirrus> this isn't a support channel, best place to ask would be #ubuntu
[11:51] <Kirrus> !support
[11:51] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[11:53] <rzr> yes i know, but someone talked about this last session..
[11:58] <Kirrus> rzr, whilst there is no session running, this channel tends to get ignored by everyone ;)


[10:09] <lotuspsychje> whats new in community land
[10:57] <Fallen> Lots of planning going on for the Ubuntu Summit, KDE's Akademy, and wrangling internal hurdles to get a merch store and events platform up. Most of my work has been more on the internal side recently, hence less comments here.
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> cool Fallen
[11:03] <leftyfb> they're opening the Ubuntu shop again?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> morning leftyfb : )
[11:11] <Fallen> If we can get everything sorted out, yes :)
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> cool, you will be able to buy some stickers leftyfb :p
[11:14] <leftyfb> you mean like these? https://photos.app.goo.gl/zo53NqwseiWQZwke7
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> cool
 "whats new in community land" <- Not much new from my side, I am focusing on the Ubuntu Summit and getting things organized. I am going to spend more time here talking about it. If you have questions about the Ubuntu Summit, please feel free to ask.
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx good to know ilvipero
[11:19] <ogra> lotuspsychje, leftyfb ... more like https://i.imgur.com/eEhlETC.jpg i guess ;)
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> the new logo!
[11:20] <leftyfb> ogra: is there any explanation for the additional whitespace in the logo?
[11:20] <ogra> there was a blog post about the new logo
[11:20] <Fallen> ravage: We have someone from Canonical who will be going to Froscon, unfortunately it won't be me. I'm happy to put you in touch though?
[11:21] <ravage> yes sure
[11:21] <ravage> i hope we can meet another time then
[11:23]  * ogra waves to itrue
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> ilvipero: my side, i had a meeting with Fallen sharing a few ideas to improve the usercount on irc and fixing some dots/links to connect better
[11:23] <Fallen> ravage: Meet itrue who is in Bonn and will be going to Froscon :)
[11:23] <ogra> 😄
[11:23]  * itrue waves
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> o/
[11:24] <ravage> hello itrue :)
[11:24] <Fallen> itrue: you are a mind reader, I was just wondering what the best way to connect you two would be, and then you appear :D ravage asked earlier if I can make it, so I thought I'd connect the two of you.
[11:24] <ravage> Düsseldorf here :)
[11:24] <itrue> Fallen blame ogra ;)
[11:24]  * ogra waves from Kassel
[11:25] <Fallen> ha perfect :)
[11:25] <ravage> ogra, what about you then? its always a nice bunch of people there :D
[11:25] <ravage> the important thing is the "social event" on saturday evening really
[11:25] <itrue> I'll be heading there on Saturday
[11:26] <ravage> in german that usually translates to a lot of Kölsch
[11:26] <itrue> As a Düsseldorfer I assume you'll be staying far away then
[11:26] <ogra> he'll bring a box of alt 😉
[11:27] <ravage> not born here. lives 8 years in Franken. So Alt or Kölsch are both not beer to me :D
[11:27] <ravage> but i drink it
[11:27] <ravage> *lived
[11:27] <ogra> i might dropy by spontaneously, we'll see
[11:27] <itrue> Fair
[11:27] <itrue> So what is this social event?
[11:28] <ogra> drinking i guess
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:28] <ogra> like the FOSDEM ones 😉
[11:28] <itrue> I've lived here for 6 years and I'm ashamed to say I've never actually been to a FrOSCon before... I'm normally away as it's just before my birthday
[11:28] <ravage> basically standing and sitting outside after the regular schedule and talk, eat, drink
[11:28] <itrue> Sounds good :D
[11:29] <ravage> our goal is always to be the last ones standing and closing the doors
[11:29] <ravage> we succeeded quite often
[11:30] <ravage> (and to be back at 10 or 11 on sunday of course)
[11:31] <ravage> oh and its like 10 euro for unlimited food and kölsch :D
[11:32] <ravage> ogra, FOSDEM is great but also very big. Bonn is a lot less crowded
[11:33] <ogra> yeah, i'd expect so ...
[11:39] <itrue> So who will be doing the Ubuntu Touch demo there?
[11:40] <ravage> i could bring my phone :D
[11:40] <itrue> Sounds good :D
[11:41] <itrue> I ask because that's apparently what we're demoing: https://www.froscon.org/programm/aussteller/#a3674
[11:41] <ravage> i really missed that
[11:41] <ravage> microg is there too
[11:41] <ravage> nice
[11:42] <ravage> and as usual the sad and emptry mysql booth
[11:42] <Fallen> Nobody has contacted me about that, I'm not sure about the Ubuntu Touch demo either.
[11:42]  * ogra assumes there will be someone from ubports
[11:42] <ravage> *empty
[11:42] <ogra> given they announce to show "several devices" ...
[11:42] <ravage> we will just swing by and ask
[11:42] <itrue> You're probably right
[11:45] <ravage> ubports is still on 16.04. maybe we will see something new about that


[14:19] <rojo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=795327  it appears that aggressive power saving in APM is unduly increasing the load cycle count on laptops with hard drives with faulty firmware.
[14:40] <rojo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5031046 is a better thread
[18:56] <pwnguin> apm?


[00:02] <persia> metalfan_, poulsbo-driver-2d and poulsbo-driver-3d are convenience metapackages.
[00:03] <persia> GrueMaster, plars: it is theoretically possible to construct an image that can boot both optical media and mass-storage, but that requires changing the bootloader.  I don't believe isolinux can boot mass-storage or syslinux boot from optical media.  I have no idea if such bootloader changes are planned for the kamic cycle.
[01:43] <plars> persia: yep, I just know in the current state it will not work
[05:32] <metalfan_> ive added http://ppa.launchpad.....ubuntu jaunty as third party sources, but "sudo aptitude search poulsbo-driver-2d" returns no results?
[05:33] <metalfan_> what acceleration can i expect, is support for hd1080p included?
[11:08] <persia> metalfan_, Sorry.  Looking more carefully, it appears that only got uploaded to intrepid.  Try xserver-xorg-video-psb (I'm not sure that's complete, but it ought help some).
[12:49] <metalfan_> persia, syslinux can boot from optical media, seen it before
[12:50] <metalfan_> persia, theres also grub
[18:58] <julius> hi
[18:59] <julius> i installed xserver-xorg-video-psb  to get poulsbo gfx support in jaunty (from ubuntu mobile repos), installation went fine but now the first xorg start fails with: "..cant find module Xpsb..."   which package did i miss?
[19:00] <julius> looks like xserver-xorg-video-psb is missing a dependency
[19:02] <julius> theres a package called "xpsb-glx" for ubuntu 8.04....whys there no 9.04 version?