[18:03] <sakrecoer> i lean towards eylul s reasoning, but since it is very low traffic lately, i think a merge can be a good way to blow some fresh air on the fire
[18:04] <sakrecoer> if it gets cluttered with really hi-tech discussion, like "i just audio mastered this amazing 3D physics with my latest Krita Brush" (lol) then eventualy we could try push for reopening a subforum...?
[18:05] <sakrecoer> i suppose it would make the mods cringe if we asked, but eventualy if there really are a lot of multimedia tech/production dicsussions they are going to want that themselves...
[18:06] <sakrecoer> hehe of course i join when everyone is away :D
[18:09] <eylul> :D
[18:52] <eylul> ok just a quick note that, the repeat of the informal meeting/check-in will happen Tuesday evening (UTC evening, november 29) instead of sunday. OvenWerks I hope this works better for you? let us know if it doesn't.


 https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3252
 Time to figure out how to do the topic. :P
[18:24] <mamarley> tsimonq2: In your packaging of Qt 5.10, have you switched it over to using OpenSSL 1.1?
 @mamarley, We switched last cycle.
[18:25] <mamarley> Awesome, thanks!


[10:19] <rmg51> Morning
[10:35] <lazyPower> o/
[13:24] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs hamsters and everything else
[16:54] <jedijf> Apply now:
[16:54] <jedijf> http://ntrweb.org/job-openings-at-ntr/
[16:54] <jedijf> Lead Technician ^^^^^
[23:59] <r00t^2> jedijf: did you post that to phree mailing list? it's pretty low-traffic these days but we still have a lot of lurkers


[00:00] <arktvrvs> wait..
[00:00] <arktvrvs> ohh i see what you mean
[00:00] <arktvrvs> no wait, I dont.
[00:01] <arktvrvs>  "that works but when theres output..." so does it work or doesnt it?
[00:04] <kiwiirc> 2 different things man
[00:04] <kiwiirc> just read what i said
[00:05] <arktvrvs> well thats a good question
[01:15] <jayjo> is proxmox just an interface for kvm+qemu?
[01:46] <xbfrog> i'm trying to findout how lyrics can be displayed in lollypop music player. i see where there is a setting to allow genius to download lyrics but i see no way to display them. is there a plugin that i need? or am i missing something?
[01:48] <k44> does ubuntu use .deb or .rpm or both?
[01:48] <xbfrog> dont know about rpm but it can use deb
[01:48] <k44> is there a distro that support both  .deb and .rpm?
[01:49] <xbfrog> someone else will have to answer that i'm new to ubuntu
[01:51] <xbfrog> here is what i found:
[01:51] <xbfrog> Distributions like Red Hat Enterprise Linux, SUSE Enterprise Linux, openSUSE, Fedora and CentOS are based on rpm, while the Debian family, including Ubuntu, Linux Mint, elementary OS are based on deb. And there are many other distributions that have their own package formats.
[01:52] <xbfrog> and its goodbye rpm and deb. hellow snaps
[01:52] <xbfrog> doesnt seem they do both
[01:53] <xbfrog> they=any
[01:53] <rfm> k44, there is the "alien" package in ubuntu that can convert an rpm to a deb, but I've heard it can't convert all packages, and often there are incompatibilies that keep the package from working
[01:53] <xbfrog> probably because os's have their own packaging sysems
[01:54] <rfm> k44, similar to installing a deb that was built for one ubuntu release on a different ubuntu release, sometimes library different versions, etc.
[01:54] <xbfrog> making them incompatible in some or most instances
[01:54] <xbfrog> thats why most helpers say update before you install a new app
[01:56] <xbfrog> thats also why its advised unless you know what your doing to stay with the distro's repository
[01:56] <xbfrog> those apps are tested to work with your version
[01:57] <xbfrog> even ppa's that are suppose to work with your system may have issues or even viruses
[01:57] <xbfrog> or malicious code
[01:57] <xbfrog> you have to know and trust from where your downloading
[01:59] <xbfrog> issues meaning they might be poorly written
[02:41] <monkwitdafunk> hello ubuntu
[02:42] <monkwitdafunk> i have 18.04 and 20.04, im planning on installing 18.04 desktop and 20.04 server
[03:54] <HelpGrub> HELP after i installed Ubuntu 18.04.4 my BIOS disappeared, i already have the bootable USB with windows 8 but i dont have BIOS to run it. Every F1 to F12 comand just opens Grub, and i dont kneow what else to do. I just want to go back from Ubuntu to my windows 8
[03:57] <derpadmin> the bios did not dissapear if you can reach the grub screen, but for some odd reason, F2 does not enter the bios as it should
[03:58] <tuxakadjseb> I think that your computer want to boot with a wrong hard drive.
[03:58] <tuxakadjseb> You can try 'Esc' ou 'F2'.
[03:59] <HelpGrub> ve tried all F1 to F12, ive tried with Esc button ive tried with delete and back space i restart and try with each key ive found in blogs and youtube tutorials, theres no bios
[04:14] <tuxakadjseb> In Grub, your keyboard works ?
[04:16] <monkwitdafunk> your dealing with UEFI firmware. i myself have intel firmware
[04:16] <monkwitdafunk> i hear the best is ami
[04:17] <HelpGrub> YES, KEYBOARD WORKS EBCAUSE I HAVE TRIED SOEM CODING TO RESET PASSWORD AND SO ON
[04:17] <HelpGrub> sorry for the caps
[04:18] <tuxakadjseb> ok
[04:18] <monkwitdafunk> im not too fluent with uefi firmware bui solved my problem by resetting the volatile memory
[04:19] <monkwitdafunk> im not sure if thats the best way to go by it
[04:19] <HelpGrub> i dont really know what that means
[04:19] <oerheks> you have asked in multiple channels, what have you tried sofar?
[04:42] <ledeni> HelpGrub just shutdown your system and boot it  with pressing F2
[04:44] <monkwitdafunk> ledeni: no man! HelpGrub has unified extensible firmware, which isnt the old bios from pre windows 8
[04:45] <monkwitdafunk> the users firmware probably was shipped to auto ecure boot after install
[04:45] <monkwitdafunk> secure*
[04:45] <monkwitdafunk> HelpGrub: do you just have one storage device?
[04:46] <HelpGrub> like an external usb?
[04:47] <monkwitdafunk> it depends on how the firmware wants to see it as im guessing. ive only seen intel uefi with intel NUC
[04:47] <HelpGrub> ive tried all F comands esc and delete and back space, ive tried with and without the disk drive plugged in, ive tried from terminal to change grub setup and tried with and without the bootable usb connected
[04:48] <monkwitdafunk> ubuntu was one of the first distros to support eufi
[04:48] <monkwitdafunk> uefi*
[04:48] <monkwitdafunk> help.ubuntu.com
[04:49] <HelpGrub> sorry, whats uefi?
[04:49] <monkwitdafunk> i think we should accept to use secure boot <<< uefi allows secure boot
[04:50] <monkwitdafunk> i gtg
[04:51] <HelpGrub> thanks, every help has been appreciated
[05:03] <HelpGrub> my screen is back, i changed the ram from one slot to another
[05:03] <oerheks> !crosspost
[05:04] <HelpGrub> im asking it in ubuntu in linux and in hardware i didnt knew they were the same
[07:30] <c0nfused> Hi, I have two networks <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and <IP_ADDRESS>/24, both with gateways. I want to configure netplan so that it first checks the 192 network and then goes to the 172 network if it can't find the host in the 192 network. Is this possible? I've been trying a few configurations without success.
[07:33] <slyon> c0nfused: you should be able to define 2 routes with different metrics, which should prioritize one network over the other (if available) https://netplan.io/reference/#routing
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> guys?! I have used "Software update" and now there are two new icons in the vertical bar: filesystem root blah blah and efi
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> is it a bug?
[07:41] <marcoagpinto> 20.04.1
[07:49] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... after another reboot the icons vanished
[07:49] <marcoagpinto> :)
[07:49] <marcoagpinto> all good
[07:49] <c0nfused> slyon do you have an example I could follow?
[07:49] <c0nfused> having trouble getting the syntax right
[07:56] <slyon> c0nfused: it depends a bit on your setup (i.e. current netplan YAML)... It could look similar to this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GkjYS8pNTw/ or similar to the 2nd example here: https://netplan.io/reference/#examples
[07:56] <slyon> lower metric routes have higher priority
[08:52] <sven^> hey. I just upgraded to ubuntu 20.04 and suddenly SUPER + 1-9 are shortcuts to start the applications from the quick launcher bar. Where can I remove that?
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> sven^: systemsettings/hotkey or dconf-editor for tweaking
[09:12] <sven^> lotuspsychje: thanks. I missed dconf-editor. Why are there (at least) 3 ways to edit hotkeys?
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> sven^: what do you mean 3 ways?
[09:13] <sven^> well, you just told me 2. In addition to that there is gnome-tweaks
[09:14] <sven^> so there are 3 ways to edit key bindings and they don't overlap much. For most bindings I need to check all 3 places and search which one provides the shortcut I want to change
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> sven^: oh, but dconf-editor is just a global tweak method of the system, not only for hotkeys right
[09:18] <sven^> yeh, but hotkeys introduced by a new version seem to be only editable in dconf-editor and not the 2 other places where ubuntu/gnome keeps its hotkeys.
[09:21] <sven^> I don't quite get the reasoning behind all this. I get that there are different applications doing different stuff, but if the ubuntu team doesn't manage to keep it simple for the user it stops making sense
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> sven^: every ubuntu release things change, thats called evolution
[09:26] <sven^> that's not what I am arguing about. I am arguing about 3+ places where the user has to look to edit all keybindings.
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> sven^: and as user of the community, you have also the power to file a bug/wishlist if you want to change something
[09:27] <sven^> I tried that in the past
[09:38] <breezykermo> help
[09:39] <breezykermo> (please ignore)
[09:54] <olle> is it ok to delete something from /boot if upgrade fails due to missing space?
[09:57] <olle> https://askubuntu.com/questions/345588/what-is-the-safest-way-to-clean-up-boot-partition
[09:59] <napster> I know this is not specific to ubuntu, but is the following the gith way to statically link zmq on Ubuntu?  $  g++ zmq-test.cpp -static -lzmq
[11:47] <asdfgh> focal is giving me strange problems with chrome, if i activate Vulkan i can see the pages but the browser is slow, very slow
[11:48] <asdfgh> i do not know what happened
[11:48] <asdfgh> to this browser
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> asdfgh: chrome is not really supported on the ubuntu repos, you might wanna contact the chrome maintainers/forums
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> asdfgh: alternate you can try chromium snap
[11:52] <asdfgh> lotuspsychje, yes i will try chromiumn but i think same problem i have to check again but i think i already did the test
[11:52] <asdfgh> basically the problem is when i suspend the pc...
[11:52] <asdfgh> then when i see the pages there are many lags
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> asdfgh: are you on nvidia graphics?
[11:54] <asdfgh> tomreyn, hi, that's my sources.list https://bpa.st/JTXQ
[11:54] <asdfgh> lotuspsychje, yes
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> asdfgh: can you check if its bug #1894432
[11:56] <asdfgh> EXACTLY
[11:56] <asdfgh> Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.
[11:56] <asdfgh> yes that bug!
[11:56] <asdfgh> ok
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> asdfgh: so daniel suspects its a chromium bug on #3
[11:57] <asdfgh> i can confirm the problem is on both
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> asdfgh: affect yourself on the bug please
[11:59] <asdfgh> lotuspsychje, ?
[12:02] <asdfgh> lotuspsychje, however yes it is the bug i have
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> asdfgh: affect the bug means, you have the same issue, and you press 'yes this bug affect me' in the left upper corner in launchpad
[12:54] <asdfgh> lotuspsychje, i think i must be logged but i am not registered
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> asdfgh: correct, you need a launchpad account
[13:06] <bewees> hi
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> welcome bewees
[13:07] <bewees> how can I find out if this systemd patch is already in ubuntu's systemd package? https://github.com/ddstreet/systemd/commit/4c64965257637c055a9f12e5d1f820bbc72fcf19
[13:11] <bewees> or maybe I can upgrade to systemd 246 already even though I use ubuntu LTS 20.04?
[13:27] <jonnj> does this help? apt-cache show systemd|grep Version
[13:28] <jonnj> sometimes there can be problems using a package that doesn't come from the distro maintainer.
[13:31] <jonnj> the commit for the issue says Jan 9, systemd 245-rc1
[13:32] <jonnj> so i would expect that it is already in 245
[13:32] <jonnj> and 20.4 came out i think april so i expect it is already patched
[13:34] <bewees> jonnj: yep, compared both versions already too and I expected it to be in the original repo master branch 245 but i still got the same error pattern (link local is configured even though I disabled it for an interface specifically)
[13:35] <bewees> either something else causes this or ubuntus 245 version doesnt contain the patch hmm
[13:35] <reversedelta> for what it's worth, I have a fresh install of 20.04 and it's systemd 245.4-4ubuntu3.2.  no issues here.
[13:36] <bewees> reversedelta: LinkLocalAddressing=no doesnt have an effect for me+
[14:10] <Cheetz> testing if my login worked
[14:13] <Cheetz> Hi, I have problems with audio. I use a USB sound card on Ubuntu 20.04 and when I stream music on youtube, the sound often disappears, this happens every 3 minutes or so. Pausing the video and pressing backspace in a terminal window to cause a terminal bell sound and then unpausing the video temporarily restores audio. What can this problem be?
[14:13] <Cheetz> The browser I am using is firefox
[14:13] <funnybunny2> Does Ubuntu come with a program for capturing video of a window?
[14:13] <funnybunny2> Especially as a gif would be nice
[14:14] <funnybunny2> But just looking for something easy I can quickly upload to imgur or something
[14:14] <Habbie> funnybunny2, apt-cache search capture | grep screen
[14:14] <Cheetz> funnybunny2, https://github.com/dergachev/screengif
[14:14] <Habbie> funnybunny2, yields a bunch of results on my Debian; presumably, also on your Ubuntu
[14:15] <Cheetz> Check out OBS
[14:16] <Cheetz> OBS lets you record a specific window with a GUI, and then you can take its output video and convert it to a gif with a script that I linked above
[14:26] <bewees> johnjay: nvm, it seems the issue was caused by dhcpcd, not systemd-networkd
[14:33] <Cheetz> Anyone know how to fix issues with audio disappearing on youtube in firefox? It just goes silent every few minutes while the video keeps playing. I have to open a terminal and trigger a terminal bell to play a sound. Then I hear the speakers crack and I can unpause the youtube video with sound. This only fixes audio temporarily
[14:33] <Timbo> does anyone know where to suggest/ask if a package can be backported to an older release?
[14:34] <Timbo> specifically gcc-10 to xenial https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test?field.series_filter=xenial
[15:30] <transhumanist> can anyone tell me what the current state of mouting rw EXT4 partitions on windows?
[15:32] <johnjay> transhumanist: there's a couple free programs and i used one iirc last week
[15:32] <johnjay> read only
[15:32] <transhumanist> yeah readonly isnt helpful unfortunately
[15:32] <johnjay> 20.04 here
[15:33] <johnjay> i have a 3rd hard drive for data. it also used to transfer files between my other two drives which are win and lin
[15:33] <transhumanist> I thought that there was going to be a way of doing this in the next few months (looking back to an article I read a few months ago
[15:33] <johnjay> Can WSL maybe do it?
[15:33] <transhumanist> I will check , but by default seem read only , good point though
[15:41] <Etua> Hello, I added sshfs entry to my fstab and when I try to cd into my mountpoint I get IO error so I suppose that mounting failed. Where can I find a proper log file to check what went wrong?
[16:21] <Etua> I tried https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSHFS#fstab_mounting_issues method and it turns out that even when I can SSH with the same settings I provided to in fstab it fallsback to password authentication and even then my password is not recognised so I cannot log into my server
[16:21] <Etua> You can see that activity here https://framabin.org/p/?ded114be48a2f479#nIeea2n78aJU5/RrOPVpTY3OVGgk2Pq4H7usVRSFdDw=
[16:23] <transhumanist> thanks for the help johnjay
[16:37] <fredl> Hmm, I resized my (KVM) root partition and now I try to resize2fs it but it says The filesystem is already 52428544 (4k) blocks long.  Nothing to do!
[16:38] <pavlos> Etua: paste the sshfs line from fstab
[16:38] <fredl> Oh I mean on the KVM vm
[16:39] <Etua> pavlos: sshfs#gserious@<IP_ADDRESS>:/mnt /media/omnia2 fuse.sshfs delay_connect,_netdev,user,IdentityFile=/root/.ssh/id_rsa,idmap=user,allow_other,default_permissions,port=8798,uid=0,gid=0,rw,ssh_command=ssh\040-vv,sshfs_debug,debug 0 0
[16:45] <pavlos> Etua: you connect as user gserious but provide identifyfile for root ?
[16:49] <Etua> pavlos: Here is how I understand it, I connect to user gserious at <IP_ADDRESS> but use RSA key that is stored in root's directory as fstab mounts by default belong to root anyway(?). I can successfully perform 'sudo ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-p 8798' so I thought that translating it to fstab entry should be no problem.
[16:50] <pavlos> Etua: my line: user@u18s:/home/user/pub /mnt/pub fuse.sshfs _netdev,defaults,identityfile=/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa 0 0          username=user, u18s is ubuntu18server
[16:57] <Etua> pavlos: I think that it is similar to mine, why do you have 'username=...'? I tries adding it in-between other options like identityfile or after 0 0 and in both places I get an error about unrecognised option.
[16:58] <pavlos> Etua: oh, that was my explanation hence the many spaces, I should have put #
[16:59] <pavlos> Etua: my line: user@u18s:/home/user/pub /mnt/pub fuse.sshfs _netdev,defaults,identityfile=/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa 0 0
[17:02] <Etua> pavlos: Thank you for the explentation, then I don't understand what may be wrong. I don't get an explicit message eg. that RSA has been rejected, just debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
[17:02] <Etua> debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
[17:02] <Etua> debug1: Next authentication method: password
[17:28] <wedr> Ohhhh! We finally have an update on the Ubuntu 20.04.1 point release to push to the Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1891680/comments/25
[17:28] <wedr> Can't wait to see it be pushed out this week
[17:51] <Spr1ng> I'm running 20.04 in WSL, does anyone know if it's possible to make links in the terminal 'clickable'?
[17:51] <tomreyn> !wsl
[17:52] <Spr1ng> thx
[17:58] <gildarts> Spr1ng: Also, see the Window Terminal Preview. They have initial support for special cases and general support is on the road map.
[17:58] <Spr1ng> ah perfect thx
[18:17] <nvs> i use a vpn the mate network manger, everything uses my vpn but now the mate weatherapp and the mater clock use my regular internet what to do?
[18:18] <nvs> also sometimes when my vpn mate networkmanger disconnecty my regular internet doesnt disconnect what to do?
[18:18] <nvs> :D thx
[18:56] <goddard> hi
[18:57] <goddard> how can i figure out why a certain library was installed
[18:57] <goddard> any way to see which programs depend on it?
[19:00] <rfm> goddard, apt-cache rdepends <package name>
[19:00] <goddard> thanks
[19:17] <bostongeek36> vim
[20:44] <jayjo> how can a workstation double as an always-on server? I know I can just keep the machine on. But what if I logged in remotely and did a 'reboot', it would be stuck at the login screen. Can I enable the machine to run always, but only require logins for the interactive desktop session?
[20:46] <reversedelta> it already is an always-on server, as long as your services are managed by systemd.
[20:46] <reversedelta> the computer boots, systemd starts your stuff.  what exactly are you looking to do?
[20:50] <jayjo> Exactly that. Everything is using systemd, for example docker containers. I just wanted to make sure cronjobs and other services were always available
[20:50] <matsaman> jayjo: just make sure your remote login stuff works from a just-booted state, that is a thing
[20:52] <reversedelta> I haven't worked with Docker, but if systemd can start it, you should be good.  I'd test if it I were you.  Enable SSHd in case you need to intervene.
[20:54] <matsaman> a lot of things, like VNC, should really be done over SSH anyway, for security, at least if you're doing it across the internet (and not just within your own local network)
[20:56] <reversedelta> of course.  tunnel everything if you can.  use Mozilla's SSHd_config recommendations to secure the one port that should be open to the world.  Disable SSH over IPv4 if you have the luxury, as that will cut down on automated port scans, too.
[20:56] <tomreyn> jayjo: you may need to ensure it won't switch to a low power state from which you cannot wake it up remotely. but if it's not running on battery but wall plug it probably won't anyway.
[20:57] <tomreyn> stable internet access and either dyndns or static ip addressing would also be relevant.
[20:59] <reversedelta> of course, always check your sleep/suspend settings.  that gets me every time.
[21:15] <farhan> Is there a location that ubuntu stores its printer PPD files that I can publicly download?
[21:22] <tomreyn> farhan: it's not the exact same thing, but there is http://www.openprinting.org/download/PPD/
[21:25] <farhan> that does not contain my printer :(
[21:26] <matsaman> farhan: which printer?
[21:51] <Sayona> Hi, anyone from here use WSL ubuntu 20?
[21:52] <matsaman> think there's a whole channel for it: /msg alis list *-wsl*
[21:52] <oerheks> !wsl
[21:52] <Sayona> thanks
[21:52] <oerheks> support mostly in UK office hours, i guess
[21:52] <matsaman> but I can think of worse places to talk about it than here, too
[21:55] <reversedelta> Sayona: I do it at work, but I have the real thing at home.


[05:06] <Kilos> morning superfly and the few others
[05:06] <Kilos> whats happening
[05:06] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:06] <superfly> I dunno, netsplits
[06:17] <kbmonkey> good morning Kilos 8)
[06:17] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey you still around?
[06:18] <kbmonkey> im not online as much but still around!
[06:18] <kbmonkey> wana try get more studying in today!
[06:18] <Kilos> you in the cape yet?
[06:19] <Kilos> oh yes that comes forst
[06:19] <kbmonkey> not yet oom, end of the month I go
[06:19] <Kilos> first as well
[06:19] <kbmonkey> first, then forst. he he
[06:19] <superfly> kbmonkey: what you gonna be doing in my part of the world?
[06:19] <kbmonkey> hello superfly
[06:19] <Kilos> put as much time as you can into the studies
[06:21] <kbmonkey> well superfly i plan to find work there
[06:22] <superfly> kbmonkey: what sort of work?
[06:23] <kbmonkey> well I'd love to work in a *nix environment. I have years of coding experience (but MS systems). but have the business background and various technologies exp :)
[06:27] <kbmonkey> I'm done working for big corporates, so I like to try smaller companies. dont mind junior positions either, not that picky. as long as I learn :)
[06:27] <Kilos-> grrr another 10 secs power out
[06:28] <Kilos-> what i missed
[06:29] <superfly> kbmonkey: programming?
[06:31] <kbmonkey> web Kilos- you have a tail!
[06:31] <Kilos-> oops
[06:32] <kbmonkey> yes superfly, programming... Python
[06:32] <kbmonkey> but heck if I get a nice system admin offer that lines up with my LPI studies I could take that for a while too
[06:32] <superfly> kbmonkey: http://career.junction.co.za/jobs/php-python-developer-in-century-city-cape-town-1251942
[06:35] <kbmonkey> oh and php too, thanks superfly :)
[06:37] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:37] <kbmonkey> wow! there are so many job listings on WC compared to kzn! sjoe
[06:37] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:38] <maiatoday> are you looking for a job in wx kbmonkey
[06:38] <maiatoday> s/wc/wx/
[06:38] <maiatoday> oops s?s/wc/wx/?s/wx/wc/?
[06:41] <superfly> kbmonkey: you apply for that job at CareerJunction (that one specifically, it's at CareerJunction) you tell them I told you about the job
[06:42] <kbmonkey> yes maiatoday I plan to once in the WC :)
[06:43] <kbmonkey> thank you superfly!
[06:43] <Kilos> good luck kbmonkey
[06:47] <kbmonkey> thanks my friend
[07:24] <kbmonkey> its a busy day, have to get moving. until later alligators!
[07:29] <Kilos> cheers kbmonkey  havva good one
[07:40] <kbmonkey> you too Kilos, and dont forget to stop and smell the flowers XD
[10:15]  * inetpro likes maiatoday's substitution of a substitute expression
[13:13] <Kilos> hi drussell
[13:13] <Kilos> hey drubin are you well?
[13:14] <Kilos> lo highvoltage
[13:14] <Kilos> just checking you guys still alive
[13:14]  * highvoltage is still here
[13:15] <drussell> still alive and kicking :o)
[13:15] <Kilos> yay
[13:16] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[13:19]  * drussell has raised/commented on another 10 bugs on 11.10 this morning...
[13:19]  * drussell needs another coffee
[13:20] <Kilos> whew
[13:34] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos
[13:34] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[13:34] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[13:38] <inetpro> drussell: well done and welcome back
[13:47] <sakhi> Afternoon
[13:47] <Kilos> hi inetpro sakhi
[13:48] <inetpro> heh Kilos, wb
[13:48] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:48]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[13:48] <Kilos> lol i been here all the time
[13:49] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[13:49] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[13:49] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... ok
[13:52] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[13:52] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:52] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[17:54] <Kilos> can someone clarify this command for me please
[17:54] <Kilos> i understand it as writing to the second part
[17:54] <Kilos> mkisofs -o /tmp/cd.iso /tmp/directory/
[17:55] <Kilos> from /tmp/cd.iso to /tmp/directory
[17:57] <Kilos> i changed /tmp/directory/ to /home/miles/desktop/dir but it still wrote all to tmp
[17:58] <Kilos> but it made an .iso file in tmp thats the same size as the original folder
[18:02] <Kilos> does it not work like the cp and rsync commands
[18:05] <Kilos> but looks to me like it made the .iso in tmp from the desktop folder
[18:05] <Kilos> lo nlsthzn
[18:05] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos
[18:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:00] <Squirm> fp


[18:08] <julian37> hi, I'm using upstart to daemonize a tool that doesn't appear to support any signals for reloading its configuration. can I disable the "reload" command for this service or let upstart know some other way that sending a signal to that process is futile?
[19:56] <mikedevita> has anyone gotten virtualbox or some sort of virtualization working in the latest rel of FN?


[02:04] <imgbot> [03:29] <imgbot> [03:29] <imgbot> [03:30] <robru> stgraber, ^^ so every time we archive old landing requests the the non-archived ones get shuffled around and the bot thinks they're new
[03:30] <robru> stgraber, maybe needs to be indexed by the value of column A, not by the row number. or something
[03:48] <stgraber> robru: hmm, indeed, didn't think of that
[07:28] <dpm> good morning sil2100!, around?
[07:31] <mvo> dpm: do you need anything? maybe I can help?
[07:31] <dpm> morning mvo!, yes, perhaps
[07:32] <dpm> mvo, I'd need to retrigger a build for silo 13 after some changes I've made to the associated branch. Could you help me with that?
[07:33] <mvo> dpm: maybe, let me try
[07:34] <sil2100> dpm, mvo: I'm around if anything, so just give me a sign once there are any problems
[07:35] <mvo> dpm: I triggered a new build now (i think)
[07:35] <mvo> sil2100: thanks, I reconfigured and then clicked on build and stuff is happening :) not sure if the reconfigure step was really needed?
[07:36] <sil2100> mvo: reconfiguring is normally only required when some new branches or project have been added :) But it doesn't hurt
[07:36] <sil2100> Normally a build would just work I guess, as it would notice changes in the branch and rebuild iirc
[07:36] <mvo> sil2100: great, thanks!
[07:36] <sil2100> mvo: thanks for taking care of this!
[07:36] <mvo> sil2100: I will remember (or not but add to the wiki :P
[07:37] <dpm> mvo, sil2100 awesome, thanks! Just to be extra sure: do you guys think the last 2 comments and the change make sense? https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/reminders-app/account-plugin-evernote-upload/+merge/225581
[07:37] <mvo> dpm: hey, I'm just a mindless bot :) but I'm happy to have a look
[07:37] <dpm> they were required for the build in the silo to work
[07:38]  * dpm hugs mvo
[07:41] <mvo> dpm: diff looks fine in itself, you can use 0.4+bzrN too then bzr-buildpackage will pick your revno. no releated but I wonder if this could be a click?
[07:44] <dpm> mvo, thanks for the review! To answer the questions: I had to do this change because the ci-train choked on 0.4+bzrN (robru was surprised that it didn't work too, and suggested to do the change). I'd love this to be a click, as it would sort quite a lot of troubles that we've had, but account plugins are not yet implemented as clicks. As per the Reminders app itself, it's a click already and in the store
[07:45] <dpm> as far as I understood it, click installation of account plugins is still a few months away
[07:47] <mvo> dpm: aha, ok. I was just curious, thanks!
[07:48] <robru> mvo, yeah, somewhere along the way citrain lost support for version numbers not created by itself: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-013-1-build/59/console but I distinctly remember this being possible in the past
[07:48] <robru> sil2100, ^]
[07:49] <sil2100> oh
[07:49] <dpm> hey robru, so I've figured out why dh-exec failed, trying to rebuild the packages now
[07:49] <robru> dpm, what was the problem? sorry I didn't dig in that
[07:50] <dpm> robru, the details are in the 2 last comments here: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/reminders-app/account-plugin-evernote-upload/+merge/225581
[07:50] <sil2100> robru: I think the problem might be the lack of 0ubuntu1 there actually
[07:50] <sil2100> robru: but I'll check the code later to confirm
[07:51] <robru> sil2100, thanks
[07:51] <robru> dpm, ah, executable bit, curses!
[07:51] <dpm> indeed :)
[07:59] <sil2100> mvo: if you could take care of the landings for some moments I would be grateful, I could finally finish up some citrain changes in peace :)
[08:02] <mvo> sil2100: sure
[08:02] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[08:29] <robru> stgraber, all I need from queuebot is a ping on 'trainguards' when a silo is set as testing: done and then I can finally /part #ubuntu-ci-choo-choo ;-)
[08:35] <sil2100> brendand: meeting? :)
[08:35] <brendand> sil2100, yeah!
[09:12] <sil2100> bzoltan: hi! How is the UITK landing going? :)
[09:13] <sil2100> bzoltan: I'm asking because we're waiting for a test fix that I think is already available in your staging branch
[09:13] <bzoltan> sil2100: hello. Horrible ... failures all over
[09:13] <sil2100> Ouch :<
[09:13] <bzoltan> sil2100: I am not sure what exactly the problem, me t1mp and kalikiana are working on it
[09:15] <sil2100> bzoltan: thanks! It's better to notice those problems early, I guess
[09:16] <ogra_> popey, davmor2, wow, so i just started contacts on my flo which doesnt have any contacts imported ... the app took a minute to start ...
[09:17] <sil2100> brendand: so, it seems that this way the only promotion blocker from the ones that have reached the timeout limit is the one UITK failure that we're having, which has a fix in staging
[09:17] <sil2100> brendand: i.e. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1332162
[09:17] <davmor2> ogra_: indeed ToyKeeper wrote a bug on that an age ago
[09:17] <ogra_> oh, ok
[09:17] <davmor2> ogra_: same for dialer and messaging I think though that might of changed
[09:18] <popey> mvo: what other tools than strace and lsof do you think would be handy for debugging?
[09:18] <sil2100> brendand: not sure if we can release it seperately - maybe we could whitelist it for today? As the fix is ready, and we don't want to pressure the SDK team, since it's best if they land the UITK landing well-tested
[09:18] <brendand> sil2100, yeah
[09:19] <brendand> sil2100, we'd have to talk to them about releasing it seperately. or we could just whitelist it
[09:22] <popey> ogra_: als seeing slow start contacts
[09:22] <mvo> popey: ltrace can sometimes be useful, but its not really that important
[09:23] <mvo> popey: are you seeding it \o/ ?
[09:23] <popey> yes
[09:23] <mvo> thanks, I made a note to do it but was caught in debugging something, great that you take care of it
[09:23] <cjwatson> valgrind, but it's pretty big
[09:23] <brendand> sil2100, they said they can do it if it's necessary (release it seperately) but prefer not to
[09:23] <popey> np
[09:24] <bzoltan> sil2100: is the r112 have disabled adb?
[09:24] <ogra_> sigh, so why does the system settings icon look like a movie projector ? ... and gallery makes me think "weather" when i see it
[09:24] <popey> ogra_: what if you hit the sync button?
[09:25] <ogra_> popey, against what should it sync ? i have nothing set up
[09:25] <cjwatson> maybe not that big, 8MB or so when you count libc6-dbg?  So valgrind might possibly be worth it
[09:25] <popey> ogra_: oh
[09:25] <popey> cjwatson: ok
[09:26] <ogra_> an dit is reproducable here
[09:26] <ogra_> still takes til the display timeout to start
[09:27] <bzoltan> ogra_: is the r112 image have adb switched off?
[09:27] <ogra_> bzoltan, nope
[09:27] <bzoltan> ogra_: ohh... in that case my device have a problem...
[09:28] <ogra_> i only have 113 here though ... but there adb is fine
[09:29] <ogra_> android-gadget-service status adb
[09:29] <sil2100> bzoltan: it shouldn't have
[09:29] <ogra_> in a terminal ^^
[09:29] <bzoltan> ogra_: I got "error: device not found" ... reboot might help
[09:29] <ogra_> taht should tell you if it is on or off
[09:29] <ogra_> (terminal-app i mean)
[09:29] <bzoltan> ogra_: thanks
[09:32] <dpm> hi sil2100, ok, we've confirmed the packages in silo 13 to work as expected, so they should be ready for upload. Is there anything else you'd need from me to make it happen?
[09:33] <popey> ogra_: when you planning on kicking next image?
[09:33] <ogra_> popey, good question ... sil2100 ?
[09:33] <ogra_> want one ?
[09:33] <popey> not yet
[09:35] <popey> bug once https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-seeds/add-debugging-tools/+merge/225623 merges, sure :D
[09:35] <bzoltan> ogra_: the adb is enbaled ... still no device
[09:36] <ogra_> bzoltan, pgrep adbd
[09:36] <ogra_> is adbd running ?
[09:36] <mvo> sil2100: "This source is a new package, if the destination is ubuntu, please ensure it has been preNEWed by an archive admin before publishing that stack." for https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-013-2-publish/ - what do we do in this case? publish into the ppa is fine I assume?
[09:37] <cjwatson> mvo: publish to the PPA is fine, this is just a workaround for the fact that copies from PPA to primary archive don't currently respect NEW
[09:37] <bzoltan> ogra_: darn... it was my desktop's adb what went for a cigarette break
[09:37] <ogra_> lol
[09:37] <cjwatson> must finish my fix for that
[09:37] <ogra_> k :)
[09:38] <mvo> cjwatson: thanks
[09:38] <cjwatson> mvo: when citrain says "publish" it generally means the point when you publish the silo to the primary archive
[09:39] <mvo> cjwatson: ohhhh, *cough* I think I was a bit quick then :( I acked the packaging changes
[09:39] <mvo> and assumed the "merge&clean" would do the publishing into the real archive
[09:40] <cjwatson> mvo: Oh, no
[09:40] <cjwatson> Let me go and check quickly then
[09:40] <mvo> mea culpa :(
[09:40] <sil2100> mvo: hey, yeah, this is no longer super valid - as it anyway needs to be NEWed in the archive
[09:41] <cjwatson> sil2100: it's valid until I fix the LP bug that means we don't get the opportunity to NEW-process it
[09:41] <cjwatson> copies just sail straight in
[09:41] <sil2100> mvo: the publish step is the copy to the archive, yes
[09:42] <cjwatson> it's basically a security hole :(
[09:42] <mvo> sil2100: sorry, I misunderstood that
[09:42] <sil2100> cjwatson: hmmm... for NEW packages as well? New source packages end up in the NEW queue normally
[09:42] <sil2100> cjwatson: only new binary packages move straight to the archive
[09:42] <cjwatson> sil2100: new binaries, yes
[09:42] <brendand> sil2100, the bug is back :)
[09:42] <sil2100> cjwatson: in this case it was a warning for the new source package ;)
[09:42] <cjwatson> ah, yeah, this is a new source, ok
[09:42] <sil2100> brendand: not sure if I should be happy ;p ?
[09:42] <brendand> sil2100, but i have no idea why - which is sad :(
[09:42] <cjwatson> fair enough, I'll process it now
[09:43] <sil2100> mvo: no worries :)
[09:45] <mvo> *puhhh*
[09:45] <mvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/NewbieGuide?action=diff&rev2=16&rev1=15 - for my future self
[09:45]  * mvo goes for early lunch
[11:10] <thostr_> sil2100: can I get a silo for line 15
[11:11] <sil2100> thostr_: looking o/
[11:11] <sil2100> hmmm
[11:12] <sil2100> Let me check the conflicts
[11:12] <sil2100> thostr_: ok, it seems that only the inforgraphics silo is conflicting, actually we can just assign a silo for you
[11:13] <thostr_> sil2100: yes, infographic we'll tackle next week
[11:13] <sil2100> Would be excellent, as this is another long standing silo we're having
[11:14] <sil2100> thostr_: 004 for you
[11:15] <sil2100> As per queuebot's info ^ ;)
[11:34] <Saviq> cihelp, anything planned for http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/autopilot-release-gatekeeper/ or can we use it for SDK silo testing?
[11:37] <fginther> Saviq, cihelp, http://q-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/sdk-release-gatekeeper/ is already available for that purpose
[11:37] <Saviq> thanks o/
[11:58] <bregma> sil2100, could you take another look at https://code.launchpad.net/~bregma/cupstream2distro/lp-1321755/+merge/225467 I think it's really ready this time
[12:03] <sil2100> bregma: looking ;)
[12:31] <brendand_> sil2100, is 113 ever going to finish?
[12:31] <brendand_> sil2100, i think it's stuck on weather-app
[12:31] <sil2100> psivaa-afk: are you around still?
[12:31] <sil2100> brendand_: so, I didn't see psivaa-afk around, so we don't have anyone else that could reset/restart/kick those
[12:32] <sil2100> And plars will be away :<
[12:32] <sil2100> bregma: on first look it looks alright! Let me fix up what I currently have in citrain trunk and then give a spin to your branch, ok?
[12:33] <bregma> sil2100, sounds good
[13:02] <psivaa> sil2100: hey, just back..let me take a look at the results.
[13:07] <sil2100> psivaa: yeah, so it seems UITK had some strange breakage during running and 2 test suites didn't finish yet
[13:07] <sil2100> psivaa: seems they hanged up...
[13:08]  * sil2100 just hopes the devices didn't die
[13:10] <psivaa> sil2100: with 113, i saw screen unlocking failed during weather app test and so rerunning that and online_accounts_ui
[13:15] <bzoltan> mvo: sil2100: let me check that qtc landing again
[13:25] <bzoltan> mvo: was that " fix typo in webapp app.json template" change landed without the CI before this landing?
[13:26] <mvo> bzoltan: yes, it was uploaded directly, but there are two(?) branches for the fix(es)
[13:28] <bzoltan> mvo:  I see only this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zeller-benjamin/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/aa-clickquery/revision/191
[13:28] <bzoltan> mvo: which one is the other...I might missed something?
[13:28] <bzoltan> zbenjamin: ^
[13:29] <zbenjamin> i just know about that one
[13:29] <bzoltan> mvo: is not that diff between the archive source package and the new source package from the silo1?
[13:30] <mvo> bzoltan:  this one here https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+merge/224631
[13:30] <mvo> bzoltan: and I think there was another one
[13:31] <bzoltan> mvo: hmm.. that MR is not in this landing
[13:32] <mvo> bzoltan: could we add it :) its broken since a couple of days and the fix is trivial
[13:32] <mvo> bzoltan: I'm on the phone right now, but I can look after the call if or if not its merged
[13:32] <bzoltan> mvo:  sure we can
[13:33] <bzoltan> mvo: I do not think it is merged to the trunk. For that i should add that MR to the landing line on the CI Train
[13:35] <davmor2> sil2100: how are the image tests coming?
[13:36] <bzoltan> mvo:  I need to relocate now, I will be back soon from the bus. I am not sure what is wrong with that "fix typo in webapp app.desktop template". Is any of the landing MRs removing that?
[13:37] <sil2100> davmor2: psivaa is working on those now
[13:37] <sil2100> davmor2: how does it look like dogfooding wise?
[13:37] <davmor2> popey: just found my mewest favourite feature.  Open the camera app, click on the switch camera button
[13:38] <psivaa> sil2100: davmor2: the image testing is now complete for 113. ubuntu-system-settings has more failures
[13:38] <popey> hah, nice
[13:38] <oSoMoN> sil2100, any idea why the CI train says silo 2 is building, whereas packages have been published 17 hours ago already? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-002-1-build/138/console
[13:38] <davmor2> sil2100: on the whole pretty good, I might of hit the old scrolling issue on the new camera app so I'm looking into that
[13:38] <sil2100> psivaa: oh..?
[13:39] <psivaa> sil2100: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/utopic/touch/mako/113:20140704:20140625/8860/ubuntu_system_settings/
[13:39] <sil2100> oSoMoN: let me take a look, maybe there was something that broke
[13:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ok, so the reason for this is that address-book-app now doesn't build for 3 architectures it was available previously
[13:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: i.e. arm64, powerpc and ppc64el
[13:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: so it's actually waiting for the dependencies of those to appear
[13:41] <sil2100> oSoMoN: they seem to be missing the Missing build dependencies: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-keyboard-extensions0.1 dep
[13:41] <sil2100> oSoMoN: is this dependency mandatory? Since if it would still work without it, you could do this dep arch-dependent
[13:42] <oSoMoN> sil2100, dunno, let me get renato here, he’s the addressbook guy
[13:42] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ok :)
[13:42] <Guest91990> sil2100, oSoMoN I think this is necessary only for qml plugin and autopilot test
[13:43] <sil2100> Ah ha! renato___ was hidden here
[13:43] <renato___> sil2100, oSoMoN : this is mandatory for qml plugin
[13:43] <sil2100> hmmm
[13:43] <sil2100> renato___: so maybe the qml plugin package could be made restricted to the 3 main architectures?
[13:43] <sil2100> renato___: since otherwise we would have to completely remove address-book-app for those 3 unsupported archs
[13:43] <renato___> sil2100, how this have been working until now ?
[13:44] <renato___> I did not change the package on this release
[13:44] <sil2100> renato___: I have no idea, since the last version in the archive is built for those architectures - I think maybe the ubuntu-keyboard became suddenly unavailable for those 3?
[13:45]  * sil2100 doesn't remember if it was in the past
[13:45] <mvo> bzoltan1: off the phone now. qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu was uploaded (by me) a couple of days ago to fix two bugs in the templates for creating webapps. both small fixes but it was done outside of the citrain, direct dput plus merge proposals. One of the fixes is part of your landing, the other (https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+merge/224631) is not. so accepting this landing as it is will cause
[13:45] <mvo> a regression in the webapps template (bug #1327761, branch lp:~daker/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/fix.1327761 or my branch). I hope this makes it clearer what I wanted to says earlier :)
[13:46] <renato___> sil2100, what do you want me to do?
[13:46] <renato___> sil2100, how I can disable the qml plugin for these archs ?
[13:46] <sil2100> Let me have a look at the package itself and think
[13:47]  * sil2100 has to check the rdeps of qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1 first
[13:47] <sil2100> Ah
[13:47] <bzoltan1> mvo: OK, I will add that MR to the landing silo and rebuild
[13:48] <mvo> bzoltan1: thanks
[13:50] <sil2100> renato___: from what I see it might be easier than I thought, but let me double-check
[13:51] <t1mp> fyi, I reported a bug in  phablet-click-test-setup, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1337857
[13:54] <sil2100> renato___: ...or maybe not
[13:56] <sil2100> renato___: so, this might be a bit more troublesome now actually, since with this merge you added this dependency, and dialer-app and messaging-app depend on qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1, which now became available only for amd64 armhf i386
[13:56] <sil2100> renato___: it worked fine before because there was no qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-keyboard-extensions0.1 build dependency
[13:57] <sil2100> renato___: is this dependency really needed in build time? Is it used to build things in qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1?
[13:58] <renato___> sil2100, let me check which dependency I added on this  MR
[13:59] <renato___> sil2100, humm this was added byt elopio , because we need that to run the qml tests
[13:59] <sil2100> renato___: hm, qml tests? Some unit tests you mean?
[14:00] <renato___> sil2100, maybe disable the qml tests for these arch
[14:00] <renato___> sil2100, yes
[14:01] <sil2100> I guess that would make sense, we could then make this dependency 'arch-specific' if the tests are arch specific, but not sure if this would be ok from the core-dev POV
[14:02] <cjwatson> that would be fine
[14:02] <sil2100> cjwatson, mvo: what do you guys think? ^ There is an additional b-dep added to address-book-app required by the unit tests there
[14:02] <sil2100> Could we make the dep arch-sepecific, same with the tests?
[14:02] <cjwatson> yep
[14:02] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks :)
[14:02] <renato___> ok nice
[14:02] <sil2100> renato___: ok, need some help with making this happen?
[14:03] <renato___> sil2100, let me try, I will ask you if I need some guidance, thanks
[14:05] <sil2100> renato___: thank you :)
[14:05] <sil2100> o/
[14:17] <bfiller> sil2100: can I have a silo for line 29 please?
[14:17] <sil2100> bfiller: hi! Let me take a look
[14:17] <davmor2> sil2100: I know this is going to be a daft question.  but why does flo have more tests that mako?  I'd of thought it would be the other way around as you don't need to test phone on flo
[14:17] <sil2100> bfiller: assigned!
[14:18] <bfiller> sil2100: ty
[14:18] <sil2100> davmor2: hm, I don't remember now, I guess psivaa would know best?
[14:18] <sil2100> bfiller: hey! Shouldn't you be off today? :)
[14:18] <davmor2> psivaa: ^
[14:18] <bfiller> sil2100: yes :) leaving soon
[14:18] <psivaa> davmor2: health-check tests are not yet included in the mako results for 113
[14:18] <sil2100> bfiller: I hope so, don't overwork yourself o/
[14:19] <bfiller> sil2100: I can't help myself :)
[14:19] <davmor2> psivaa: ah that would do it thanks :)
[14:19] <renato___> sil2100, I need to know which value this variable return on those archs: CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR
[14:19] <psivaa> davmor2: np :)
[14:24] <renato___> sil2100, this varible is set with the output of: uname -p
[14:24] <sil2100> renato___: hmm, I need to find a way to get this information
[14:25] <sil2100> cjwatson: could you help us out? Do you have any ideas how to get the uname -p values in amd64, powerpc and ppc64el platforms?
[14:26]  * sil2100 jumps out for a moment to drive his gf to the train station
[14:26] <cjwatson> That's the wrong way to test for the system architecture
[14:26] <cjwatson> You should be checking the userspace architecture, not the kernel processor value
[14:27] <alan_g> Ursinha: is mako on a go slow again? This has taken an extra 3hrs (so far). http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/mir-team-mir-development-branch-autolanding/842/
[14:27] <stgraber> robru: for getting notification when the silo is done building and the tested flag has been set, I'll need to merge the two plugins into one so they can share information (that probably needed to happen anyway)
[14:27] <cjwatson> I'd normally suggest doing "export DEB_HOST_ARCH ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" in debian/rules and checking $ENV{DEB_HOST_ARCH} or however you spell it in cmake
[14:27] <Ursinha> alan_g: hmm, afaik they were ok, but I can be wrong... will look
[14:28] <alan_g> thanks
[14:28] <renato___> sil2100, do you have any example of debian/rules that specify which arch for the dependency?
[14:29] <sil2100> renato___: for the dependency or for running the tests? Since for the dependencies you add the [i386 amd64 armhf] beside the dependency you want to make arch-specific in the build-deps
[14:30] <sil2100> renato___: but that's in debian/control
[14:30] <renato___> sil2100, yes this is what I need
[14:30] <sil2100> renato___: let me quickly find something before I jump out
[14:30] <renato___> sil2100, for running the tests I will check using that cmake variable
[14:31] <cjwatson> if you do find that you need to make parts of debian/rules conditional, then:
[14:31] <cjwatson> ifneq (,$(filter amd64 armhf i386,$(DEB_HOST_ARCH)))
[14:31] <cjwatson> [... code that is only used on amd64/armhf/i386 ...]
[14:31] <cjwatson> endif
[14:32] <sil2100> renato___: for the deps, you can check for instance lp:unity8
[14:32]  * sil2100 brb
[14:37] <stgraber> robru, sil2100: Would it be possible to mirror the testing done and qa sign off flags from the landing tabs into the main one? That'd allow me to get everything with a single csv export rather than need to export every single tab (which would get me past the minutely quota...)
[14:45] <davmor2> sil2100: hmmmm I think I might of just crashed lightdm
[14:46] <davmor2> popey: is the click store available for you I get nothing?
[14:47] <popey> i would tell you if my phone hadn't frozen
[14:48] <popey> davmor2: works fine on my other phone
[14:48] <davmor2> popey: yeah thanks just checked on other devices and it's fine
[14:54] <oSoMoN> sil2100, can I haz a silo for line 30, please?
[14:58] <mvo> oSoMoN, sil2100: silo done
[14:59] <oSoMoN> thanks mvo!
[14:59] <mvo> yw
[15:01] <sil2100> Back o/
[15:02] <sil2100> stgraber: hmmm... let me think about this one, it might be possible indeed but I just hope it won't strain the spreadsheet any more than already ;)
[15:03] <sil2100> davmor2: hm, something reproducible?
[15:03] <sil2100> psivaa: did you re-run the UITK tests?
[15:04] <sil2100> psivaa: since obviously it was the failure which we saw happening many times before - a singular case
[15:04] <sil2100> brendand_: looking at the test results (while ignoring the obvious UITK hick-up), do you think we are promotion ready?
[15:05] <davmor2> sil2100: not so far I think it might of been because for some reason the store was empty (Had to reboot to repopulate it) and I did a search which normally helps
[15:06] <psivaa> sil2100: do you want me to re-run uitk tests?
[15:06] <sil2100> psivaa: please :) Thanks!
[15:07] <ogra_> uitk ?
[15:07] <brendand_> sil2100, let me run weather and shorts test suites
[15:07] <ogra_> what for ?
[15:07] <brendand_> sil2100, you mean for 113?
[15:07] <sil2100> brendand_: the latest, yes
[15:07] <psivaa> sil2100: it has one failure which we saw in the previous images as well. i dont see the point tbh
[15:07] <brendand_> sil2100, uitk just has one failure, known?
[15:08] <sil2100> brendand_, olli: UITK has still 14 failures as in the morning
[15:08] <ogra_> sil2100, nope ... wrong test
[15:08] <psivaa> sil2100: thats system-settings
[15:08] <ogra_> system-settings ;)
[15:08] <sil2100> Ah
[15:08] <sil2100> Crap...
[15:08] <sil2100> Sorry, right ;)
[15:08] <sil2100> Geh ;)
[15:08] <ogra_> (thats why i asked above)
[15:08] <olli> sil2100, how can I help
[15:09] <psivaa> ogra_: sil2100 : i'll rerrun system-settings then :)
[15:09] <ogra_> yeah
[15:09] <brendand_> sil2100, yeah that's just a fluke. psivaa could rerun those though
[15:09] <sil2100> psivaa: sorry! I meant system-settings ;)
[15:09] <olli> ah... nevermind... the other olli/ogra
[15:09] <sil2100> olli: ah, sorry here as well, o and tab was supposed to give ogra_ ;)
[15:09]  * sil2100 seems to need coffee late today
[15:09] <olli> hey, I felt needed for a sec ;)
[15:10] <psivaa> sil2100: that's alright :). running system-settings
[15:11] <brendand_> sil2100, when do you need my ack by? i'm currently debugging the web browser issue with ricmm
[15:12] <sil2100> brendand_: well, I would just like to know if you think we could whitelist the mediaplayer-app false-positive failure and if in overall the AP test situation looks ok for you for promotion - would like to ping ogra_ with a decision after the meeting :)
[15:12] <sil2100> davmor2: just to make sure, so far a +1 from you, yes?
[15:12] <brendand_> sil2100, i can give a decision in the meeting
[15:13] <brendand_> sil2100, i don't think ogra will be there though :)
[15:13] <sil2100> Excellent
[15:13] <davmor2> sil2100: yeap seems okay
[15:13] <sil2100> I know ;)
[15:13] <sil2100> But we can ping him and get a promotion afterwards
[15:13] <sil2100> Or in a break ;p
[15:13] <brendand_> sil2100, half time
[15:14] <ogra_> yeah :)
[15:16] <brendand_> and whether he does it or not will depend on the score :)
[15:17] <ogra_> lol
[15:17]  * ogra_ is prepared for the worst, no worries :)
[15:17] <ogra_> its just a game after all
[15:17] <davmor2> brendand_: no it will be 0-0 and  come down to penalties the two teams are too evenly matched :)
[15:18] <brendand_> davmor2, don't think 0-0
[15:18] <brendand_> davmor2, i'm pretty sure there will be goals
[15:20] <davmor2> brendand_: 0-0 and 3-2 to one team on penalties that's my prediction
[15:21] <davmor2> I don't know which team will come out on top but that is my prediction on the score
[15:21] <ogra_> if there are penalties i'd more go for a 5-4
[15:22] <ogra_> but i think there will be goals during the game too
[15:24] <davmor2> ogra_: it is rare that there are 5 penalties scored. As the pressure build and you slowly move down the players who are likely to score
[15:24] <davmor2> ogra_: 3-2 or 4-3 is more likely
[15:24] <ogra_> we'll see :)
[15:29] <brendand_> davmor2, tell elopio's crew that :)
[15:30] <brendand_> sil2100, ogra_ - 113 has my ack
[15:30] <sil2100> brendand_: \o/
[15:30] <sil2100> brendand_: wait... -113?!?!
[15:30] <sil2100> :D
[15:30] <ogra_> hmm, even in time before the game :)
[15:31] <davmor2> brendand_: that is 1-1 + 4-2 on penalties to give a total of 5-3 :P
[15:31] <sil2100> Ok, so since davmor2 says +1, and brendand_ says +1 from ap side... maybe hm, ogra_ do you feel lucky enough to press the button and do a Friday-propotion ? ;)
[15:31] <ogra_> sure
[15:32] <ogra_> i can blame davmor2 and brendand_, right ?
[15:32] <ogra_> :)
[15:32] <sil2100> Yeah, I always do that!
[15:32] <sil2100> Oh, and #blamepopey
[15:32] <davmor2> ogra_: No you promoted it :P
[15:32] <popey> oh?
[15:32] <popey> sweet!
[15:33]  * ogra_ promotes 113 ...
[15:34] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[15:34] <cjwatson> sil2100: packaging change in silo 1 is fine
[15:34] <ogra_> [15:34] <cjwatson> (don't know how to record that without actually pressing the publish button)
[15:34] <sil2100> cjwatson: oh, ok, I was wondering about this one because it's removing a version from the changelog, right?
[15:35] <cjwatson> sil2100: that's not a problem here - it incorporates the same changelog text elsewhere, and the version goes forward, so whatever
[15:35] <cjwatson> if I'd been doing it I'd have merged the full changelog entry, but just a style issue
[15:35] <sil2100> cjwatson: ACK, ok, let me ACK the packaging and release then
[15:36] <sil2100> Makes sense
[15:38] <davmor2> sil2100: on the mailing list you have 3 bugs left in the blocker section right?  If you are not blocking on any of those 3 why are they in the blocker section?
[15:39] <sil2100> They're not in a blocker section, they're in the 'known issues' section ;)
[15:40] <sil2100> This section doesn't only have blockers, but issues that affect users - which some can be made blockers if written in the description
[15:40] <sil2100> davmor2: currently we have one blocker that we whitelisted, as the fix is pending in UITK
[15:40] <davmor2> sil2100: which by definition is the blocker section as the other section reads * Issues not impacting user experience (will become blockers if not fixed after a while):
[15:41] <sil2100> That comment field only means that we'll also count the timer for that, I should probably remove that already (leftover)
[15:44] <sil2100> davmor2: thanks for pointing this out ;)
[15:46] <alan_g> Ursinha: did you find a reason for the slow CI?
[15:50] <davmor2> sil2100: incoming
[15:50] <sil2100> davmor2: where?! ;)
[15:50] <davmor2> sil2100: email
[15:51] <sil2100> davmor2: oh, hm, ok looks nice, I might change it to something similar indeed
[15:52] <davmor2> sil2100: I'm just thinking for the sake of clarity everyone knows what is what, and how long till their bug becomes a blocker
[15:53] <dbarth> sil2100: o/ hey
[15:53] <dbarth> still on duty, or should i ask robru?
[15:53] <sil2100> dbarth: what's up? :)
[15:53] <dbarth> can i haz a silo again for line 21?
[15:53] <sil2100> Let me take a look
[15:54] <dbarth> we've fixed the branches
[15:54] <sil2100> dbarth: oh, is it ready? Since it wasn't set as ready
[15:54] <Ursinha> alan_g: sorry taking this long, we don't have many people around today
[15:54] <sil2100> dbarth: let me assign a silo then :)
[15:54] <dbarth> it is now, let me toggle the flag
[15:56] <alan_g> Ursinha: I understand. I'm just keeping track of how CI can be so slow (it isn't blocking anything yet).
[15:57] <sil2100> dbarth: ah! It seems that I can't assign a silo now :( oSoMoN got a silo for webbrowser-app today already
[15:58] <dbarth> ah right, he did
[15:58] <dbarth> i let him pass, cause our tests were still not good
[15:58] <dbarth> hmm, ok, i'll see with him
[15:59] <sil2100> dbarth: thanks! And sorry for that :)
[15:59] <Ursinha> alan_g: alright, thanks for letting us know
[16:02] <oSoMoN> dbarth, sil2100: my silo is about to land, after which you’ll be able to get one
[16:06] <dbarth> oSoMoN: ah ok, cool
[16:06] <dbarth> i'll take a look after the first half time :p
[16:13] <sil2100> dbarth, oSoMoN: robru is around now so he'll be your train driver ;)
[16:14] <sil2100> robru: btw. I noticed it has to be depressing to live in the US timezone!
[16:14] <sil2100> robru: when you actually start your day, we're actually already finishing up and making you feel depressed about having to still work for the whole day ;)
[16:14] <sil2100> Sorry about that!
[16:15] <robru> sil2100, ahhhh, but the best part about waking up so late is that after noon, everybody's signed off and there's nothing to do anyway ;-)
[16:15] <oSoMoN> sil2100, but when you start your day, robru is fast asleep, or away partying :)
[16:15] <sil2100> hah!
[16:15] <sil2100> ;)
[16:16] <brendand_> davmor2, 12 mins gone and you're already wrong :P
[16:17] <robru> stgraber, around for a packaging ack? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-002-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_address-book-app_0.2+14.10.20140704-0ubuntu1.diff
[16:17] <renato___> robru, could you release the silo 2, please?
[16:17] <robru> renato___, yep, just need a core dev to ack the diff ^
[16:17] <davmor2> hahahaha
[16:17] <stgraber> robru: looking
[16:19] <stgraber> robru: looks fine
[16:19] <robru> stgraber, ok thanks
[16:21] <oSoMoN> wooot, what happened to my silo?
[16:22] <oSoMoN> robru, I was testing silo 13 and suddenly it’s empty
[16:22] <sil2100> Uh :O ?
[16:22] <sil2100> oSoMoN: no worries, it's still in the backend
[16:22] <sil2100> oSoMoN: so maybe the spreadsheet b0rk for a moment
[16:23] <sil2100> oSoMoN, robru: I'm fixing up the spreadsheet with this
[16:23] <oSoMoN> sil2100, yeah, I confirm that packages are still in the silo
[16:23] <robru> oSoMoN, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-013 please, it's not empty. you can trust the spreadsheet about as far as you can throw it
[16:23] <oSoMoN> :)
[16:23] <sil2100> oSoMoN: done ;)
[16:23] <oSoMoN> thx
[16:23] <sil2100> robru: amen ;p
[16:24] <robru> sil2100, you mean fixing the bug that causes it to lose status, or simply manually restoring the status in this case? (I just restored silo 2 which also got lost)
[16:25] <sil2100> robru: I restored it, not sure if there is any rational explaination for this status loss
[16:26] <robru> sil2100, yeah it's happening a lot lately. in fact I'm seeing a lot of times when a silo is freed, the status isn't getting set as 'Landed' properly. the status just goes away and then the bot pings as if it's a new landing ready to be assigned a silo
[16:27] <sil2100> robru: yeah... ;/
[16:27] <sil2100> robru: ah, btw. I just now deployed some changes in CI Train - if anything is broken then... revert things like crazy ;)
[16:27] <robru> sil2100, haha ok
[16:28] <robru> EOD friday, perfect time for a deployment, what can go wrong? ;-)
[16:29] <oSoMoN> robru, can we publish silo 13, please?
[16:29] <sil2100> :>
[16:29] <oSoMoN> (packaging changes have already been acked by didrocks)
[16:29] <sil2100> Friday promotions, Friday deployments == awesome
[16:32] <popey> davmor2: blue light flash when you get an email!?
[16:32] <popey> s/email/sms/
[16:34] <robru> oSoMoN, published!
[16:34] <robru> sil2100, what kind of stuff did you deploy btw? what surprises await me?
[16:35] <sil2100> robru: one moment ;)
[16:35] <oSoMoN> robru, thanks a lot!
[16:35] <robru> oSoMoN, you're welcome!
[16:37] <davmor2> popey: yes but only once the screen has blanked again
[16:38] <davmor2> popey: once you activate the screen it stops
[16:39] <popey> thats fine
[16:39] <popey> once you activate the screen you have a green indicator
[16:39] <popey> this is amazing ☻
[16:39] <davmor2> popey: indeed
[16:39] <davmor2> popey: a phone that gets more usable by the promotion ;)
[16:40] <davmor2> :) even
[17:29] <robru> public service announcement: don't branch lp:ubuntu-assets if you can avoid it. downloaded 7.5GBs and still going...
[17:30] <bzoltan> robru:  ohh... that is massive
[17:31] <robru> I should have checked if bzr has a "shallow branch" feature or something, but now it's got so much that surely it must almost be done?? bah
[17:35] <bzoltan> These freshman newhires do not know that they need to give commit message to their MRs :) somebody should tutor mvo :D
[17:57] <Ursinha> ogra_: \o/
[17:57] <ogra_> :D
[17:59] <robru> holy crap, 12 silos in use, I can't remember it ever being this low
[17:59] <Ursinha> low? wow
[18:00] <robru> Ursinha, usually we are maxed out and scrambling to free silos. there are only 20
[18:00] <robru> 15 in use is a good day, 12 in use, well, it's obviously a holiday somewhere ;-)
[18:00] <Ursinha> haha :)
[18:07] <bzoltan> robru:  I am using two of them :) Sorry I can not do more
[18:07] <robru> bzoltan, no worries! I'm around to release stuff when you're ready
[18:07] <robru> but brb
[18:08] <bzoltan> robru: thanks. I was planning to release the long waited UITK, but there are problems with the header
[19:35] <cjwatson> Ugh.  libexiv2-12 wants to bump to libexiv2-13 in -proposed; this is intertwined with the giant libav/gnutls28 transition which is all going to have to land in one giant blob but isn't ready yet.  libexiv2-12 is explicitly listed in the touch seeds (and ubuntu-desktop-next) with the comment "camera/gallery".  So I guess we need to coordinate an update of that somehow when the time comes ...
[19:36] <cjwatson> Hate click packages sometimes
[19:46] <ogra_> cjwatson, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/gallery-app/0.0.67+14.10.20140703-0ubuntu1build1
[19:47] <ogra_> cjwatson, afaik robert forgot to provide a click for the store and land it ... the deb should already use libexiv2-13
[19:47] <cjwatson> ogra_: There must be a click package as well, or else why is it explicitly seeded ...
[19:47] <cjwatson> Yeah, I don't care about the deb for this
[19:48] <ogra_> they are somewhere hidden in jenkins ... not sure where
[19:48] <cjwatson> But landing the click package in the store will require very very careful synchronisation
[19:49] <cjwatson> libexiv2-13 can't migrate out of -proposed until some other extremely complicated stuff is finished
[19:49] <ogra_> oh my
[19:49] <cjwatson> Do we consider libexiv2 part of the ABI provided to third-party packages?
[19:49] <cjwatson> I hope not
[19:49]  * ogra_ doesnt know
[19:50] <cjwatson> Anyway, have to go
[20:08] <robru> aha! 11 free silos! imagine that!
[20:08] <robru> 11 in use I mean
[20:58] <Chipaca> evening people. Could I have a silo for row 29 please?
[21:03] <robru> Chipaca, nah, but you can have one for line 22. ;-)
[21:04] <Chipaca> domo arigato, mr robru
[21:04] <robru> Chipaca, you're welcome!
[21:04]  * Chipaca had to pronounce that funny for it to scan
[21:17] <Chipaca> ooh, snarky lil' bot