[14:30] <inetpro> are we having a meeting tonight?
[18:37] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:38] <inetpro> anybody here for the meeting?
[18:39] <perphil> yap
[18:39] <inetpro> perphil: hi
[18:40] <perphil> i`m new to this
[18:40] <inetpro> sorry that I'm late
[18:41] <inetpro> let's see if others can join before we start
[18:41] <perphil> hi, i`m very that we have some place to see all african techs
[18:41] <inetpro> perphil: where are you from?
[18:41] <perphil> sorry...
[18:41] <perphil> janilson from Cap Verd
[18:41] <inetpro> nice!
[18:42] <perphil> smal island in atlantico
[18:42] <perphil> do you know anything about it
[18:43] <inetpro> unfortunately no
[18:43] <inetpro> perphil: have you seen the page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams ?
[18:43] <perphil> in past its like portuguese where the first to land this island
[18:44] <perphil> yes
[18:45] <perphil> all of  my friends use windows
[18:47] <inetpro> perphil: how many people on the island?
[18:48] <perphil> half milion
[18:49] <inetpro> interesting
[18:49]  * inetpro trying to locate it on the map
[18:50] <perphil> but you may hear about Cesaria Evora  famous singer in france
[18:52] <inetpro> perphil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ces%C3%A1ria_%C3%89vora
[18:52] <perphil> yap
[18:53] <perphil> i`m from biggest islind Santiago and it has nation capital
[18:54] <perphil> have you see it on map?
[18:54] <inetpro> ah, found it now
[18:55] <inetpro> so do you use Ubuntu?
[18:56] <perphil> started about 4 months
[18:56] <inetpro> perphil: what do you do for a living?
[18:57] <perphil> right now i`m doing webdesigner
[18:57] <inetpro> nice
[18:58] <perphil> just start to it, till now have to clients
[18:58]  * inetpro happy to see a growing community
[18:58] <perphil> me too
[18:58] <inetpro> sadly this place is very quiet today
[18:59] <inetpro> unfortunately our resident oom Kilos is not very well these day
[18:59] <inetpro> days*
[18:59] <perphil> unfortunately
[18:59] <perphil> why?
[19:00] <inetpro> he's due for an operation
[19:00] <inetpro> hernia
[19:01] <perphil> ooh
[19:01] <inetpro> as far as I understand his medications are making him very tired as well
[19:02] <perphil> where are you from?
[19:02] <inetpro> I'm from the south
[19:02] <inetpro> down in South Africa
[19:02] <inetpro> Pretoria to me more exact
[19:03] <perphil> ok, nice
[19:03] <inetpro> perphil: do you use twitter or other social media?
[19:04] <perphil> twitter most for sites that ask for it for ads
[19:04] <perphil> i closed my facebook
[19:05] <inetpro> you can find me there as @inetpro
[19:05] <perphil> but i m thinking about be more active on google +
[19:06] <perphil> ok, what you do for in tech world
[19:06] <inetpro> sysadmin jack of all trades and master of none
[19:07] <perphil> good
[19:08] <perphil> i dont speak english well
[19:08] <inetpro> your english is not bad at all
[19:08] <perphil> but i think you can understand me
[19:08] <perphil> but i`m too slow on typing
[19:08] <perphil> it
[19:09] <inetpro> what is your home language?
[19:09] <perphil> portugues
[19:10] <perphil> and criolo
[19:10] <perphil> some mix between that
[19:11] <inetpro> perphil: Crioulo?
[19:11] <inetpro> hi oom Kilos
[19:11] <inetpro> where have you been
[19:11] <inetpro> meeting night
[19:11] <Kilos> hi inetpro and others
[19:11] <Kilos> i had a hard day, sorry sir
[19:11] <inetpro> Kilos: meet perphil
[19:11] <perphil> hello kilos
[19:11] <Kilos> b/p dropped to 72/48
[19:12] <inetpro> from Cape Verde
[19:12] <Kilos> hi perphil
[19:12] <perphil> hi
[19:12] <perphil> hope health improvements
[19:12] <inetpro> perphil: oom Kilos is the man who started this project
[19:12] <Kilos> it will ty, welcome on our channel
[19:12] <perphil> thanks
[19:13] <perphil> i`m very happy
[19:13] <perphil> i was looking for this a long
[19:13] <Kilos> thats good to hear
[19:13] <Kilos> i like people to be happy
[19:13] <perphil> Africa must come together at all layer
[19:14] <perphil> nice
[19:14] <Kilos> yes i agree thats why we started this
[19:14] <Kilos> have you seen the site
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: recheck the blood pressure
[19:14] <inetpro> is that not a bit low?
[19:15] <Kilos> i have 3 times already inetpro , its climbing after lots of slt
[19:15] <Kilos> very low
[19:15] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:15] <Kilos> i battled to stand up even
[19:15] <Kilos> haha
[19:15] <Kilos> salt
[19:16] <Kilos> and i think my wireless card in desktop packed up, i had to bring my modem here
[19:16] <Kilos> sigh
[19:16] <Kilos> so not the best day ive had
[19:17] <Kilos> but feeling lots better now
[19:17] <Kilos> perphil have you seen our site?
[19:17] <perphil> kilos: do not make too much effort
[19:18] <Kilos> no im on my back with laptop on my knees
[19:18] <Kilos> haha
[19:18] <perphil> yes i was looking for logs and all
[19:18] <perphil> lunchpad
[19:18] <Kilos> aha
[19:19] <Kilos> spread the word
[19:19] <perphil> i dont speak english right
[19:19] <Kilos> no problem
[19:19] <perphil> ok
[19:19] <Kilos> we have french guys here as well
[19:19] <perphil> nice
[19:20] <inetpro> perphil: have you registered at https://launchpad.net/ yet?
[19:20] <perphil> here i have just 2 friends tha is in blender project
[19:20] <perphil> yes yesterday
[19:20] <inetpro> please join the team https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa if you haven't
[19:22] <Kilos> Dro__ why so quiet
[19:22] <Dro__> Kilos, bored
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:23] <Kilos> was elacheche here today?
[19:24] <Kilos> d4rk-5c0rp hi there
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: it was very quiet in here today
[19:24] <Kilos> oh my
[19:25] <inetpro> guess I should try to be more active here as well
[19:26] <inetpro> perphil: what client are you using for IRC?
[19:27] <perphil> xchat
[19:28] <inetpro> perphil: welcome to the team
[19:28] <inetpro> now please join the mailing list on that page as well
[19:29] <perphil> i have joined the team but i`m in pending approval
[19:29] <inetpro> perphil: check your mail
[19:30] <perphil> ok i`m in the AFRICA now
[19:31] <Kilos> welome
[19:31] <Kilos> welcome
[19:31] <perphil> thanks
[19:32] <perphil> my problem with ubuntu 14.10 is samba with virtualbox
[19:32] <perphil> i have  read test a thosen tutos tricks
[19:33] <inetpro> perphil: what is the exact problem you're having?
[19:33] <perphil> but none works,
[19:34] <inetpro> why use samba?
[19:34] <perphil> as i use xammp i need to test sites on w7, xp, w10
[19:35] <inetpro> ah, so you want to share files across platforms?
[19:35] <perphil> and want to acess some progs on disck to install on windows guest
[19:36] <inetpro> perphil: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[19:37] <perphil> its dificult to forget windows
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <inetpro> the more you use Linux the less you will want to see windows
[19:37] <perphil> thanks will check now
[19:38] <perphil> thats truth
[19:38] <inetpro> wb elacheche_anis
[19:38] <Kilos> wb elacheche_anis
[19:38] <Kilos> tunisians are slack hey
[19:38] <inetpro> you forgot about our meeting?
[19:38] <Kilos> oh sorry nizarus
[19:39] <nizarus> :)
[19:39] <Kilos> haha
[19:41] <elacheche_anis> Hello Africa :) :) :D
[19:42] <elacheche_anis> I'm late! x) → I forget about the meeting x)
[19:42] <Kilos> date eater
[19:42] <Kilos> camel milk drinker
[19:42] <elacheche_anis> hahaha Kilos :p :)
[19:42] <Kilos> you need some brain food
[19:42] <Kilos> eat fish
[19:42] <Kilos> hehe
[19:43] <Kilos> elacheche_anis meet perphil form cape verde
[19:43] <perphil> haha kilos very entertaining camel milk
[19:43] <Kilos> i dont know their main language
[19:43] <perphil> crioulo
[19:43] <elacheche_anis> Hey perphil :)
[19:44] <perphil> hi elacheche
[19:44] <perphil> guess, from tunisia ?
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: Portuguese
[19:45] <Kilos> aha
[19:45] <perphil> elacheche: how camel milk taste?
[19:46] <elacheche_anis> perphil: I have no idea :D Never drinked it :) It's just Kilos making fun of me :p
[19:46] <Kilos> we dont have peeps from  mozambique here yet either have we?
[19:46] <perphil> lol
[19:46] <nizarus> perphil, just visit tunisia and you will know it
[19:46] <Kilos> perphil i enjoy teasing people
[19:46] <perphil> good, very entertaining
[19:46] <elacheche_anis> +1 nizarus :)
[19:46] <nizarus> Kilos, i'm from the sahel in tunisia so my main food is fish ;-)
[19:47] <elacheche_anis> Kilos: You should come to Tunisia for your honeymoon ;) :) :D
[19:47] <Kilos> fish is wonderful food
[19:47] <perphil> but i think camel milk is not so bad
[19:47] <Kilos> haha elacheche_anis too far man
[19:48] <perphil> if y`re alone in desert and have not to eat it can help right?
[19:48] <nizarus> perphil, neither kamel meet too :p
[19:48] <elacheche_anis> You'll go to Australia :p Tunisie is not that far :p Tell her and she'll like the idea ;) :D
[19:48] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:49] <elacheche_anis> yeah perphil it can, if you find it :) :D And why you'll find me alone in the desert!  x)
[19:49] <perphil> we have woman here?
[19:50] <inetpro> perphil: at least one from france who's coming and going from time to time
[19:50] <Kilos> not now but melodie from franc visits oftne
[19:50] <perphil> elacheche: you know some times "dust storm "
[19:51] <elacheche_anis> Euuuh, I know what's a dust storm.. I never been in one.. I never visited the desert anyway x)
[19:52] <elacheche_anis> Kilos: no meeting for tonight?
[19:53] <Kilos> iwas also late elacheche_anis
[19:53] <Kilos> inetpro  did you have a meeting?
[19:53] <elacheche_anis> OK.. Who's here :) I wanna talk to you about a little project that needs the help of AFRICA :)
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I never started it, no
[19:54] <Kilos> ive been very slack, sorry, should have posted a reminder in the list
[19:54] <Kilos> oh my
[19:54] <inetpro> I was a bit late as well, to be honest
[19:54] <Kilos> as soon as im in top form again iill start revving peeps
[19:55] <inetpro> too much focus on the rugby world cup
[19:55] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:55] <inetpro> see Japan got a bit of a hiding today
[19:55] <Kilos> yeah i heard it on the news just now
[19:56] <inetpro> perphil: do you guys play rugby on the Cape Verde islands?
[19:57] <perphil> no
[19:57]  * inetpro would love to see more african teams compete in the world cup
[19:58] <perphil> its english influences
[19:59] <inetpro> it doesn't have to be that way
[19:59] <perphil> you know we are too closed to culture that is far far away from atlantico
[20:00] <perphil> i dont mean in that way
[20:01] <perphil> just trying to explain that colonization has for some way determined our culture
[20:01]  * inetpro wonders how Samoa started playing rugby
[20:03] <perphil> who is Samoa ?
[20:03] <inetpro> perphil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoa
[20:04] <Kilos> big guys from an island near australia i think
[20:04] <inetpro> they are one of the teams competing the the current world cup
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: near australia?
[20:05] <inetpro> I guess it's all relative :-)
[20:05] <Kilos> arent they down there somewhere
[20:05] <inetpro> they are somewhere between nowhere and nothing in the middle of a big ocean
[20:06] <Kilos> lol
[20:06] <Kilos> i see old colony of new zealand
[20:07] <perphil> does mozambique play rugby ?
[20:07] <Kilos> no
[20:07] <Kilos> soccer peeps
[20:07] <perphil> Angola?
[20:07] <Kilos> most of africa is soccer mad
[20:09] <inetpro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rugby#Africa
[20:12] <perphil> i see that world english are more universal than other comunity
[20:12] <Kilos> yes
[20:14] <Kilos> night all of you, sleep tight
[20:14] <perphil> here in Cap Verd its dificult to get people to strike government
[20:14] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos
[20:14] <Kilos> perphil dont disappear hey
[20:14] <perphil> nope
[20:15] <perphil> i`m 19:15
[20:15] <inetpro> perphil: I think he's trying to say that you should stick around here like every day from now onwards :-)
[20:16] <perphil> ok
[20:16] <perphil> but he went to sleep so early ?
[20:16] <inetpro> it's 22:16 here
[20:17] <perphil> ok, i used to sleep 00:00
[20:17] <perphil> what about you feel asleep ?
[20:18] <perphil> inetpro:?
[20:18]  * inetpro is still here for a few minutes
[20:18] <perphil> i think gone be alone here... mad
[20:19] <elacheche_anis> I just sent an email to our ML perphil inetpro :)
[20:20] <nlsthzn> sup all :)
[20:20] <inetpro> wb nlsthzn
[20:21] <inetpro> perphil: meet nlsthzn
[20:21] <nlsthzn> thx inetpro ... was actually expecting more people to be lurking here...
[20:21] <elacheche_anis> hey nlsthzn :)
[20:21] <elacheche_anis> Check your inboxs guys :p
[20:21]  * inetpro checking mail
[20:21] <nlsthzn> hey elacheche_anis :)
[20:22] <perphil> hello nlsthzn
[20:22] <nlsthzn> hi perphil :)
[20:23] <perphil> y`re going to be more minutes here right ?
[20:23] <elacheche_anis> Ah inetpro ! I forget.. LP is too slow that the emails comes late the the MLs on LP x) My mail will take a couple of minutes to be in your inbox x(
[20:25] <inetpro> I got it
[20:25] <inetpro> sounds like an interesting project
[20:26] <inetpro> perphil: did you sign up on the mailing list at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[20:26] <elacheche_anis> Yep :) inetpro my email not in the public archive yet.. x)
[20:27] <inetpro> nlsthzn: are you even a team member yet?
[20:28] <perphil> waiting to mail get in the box
[20:29] <inetpro> perphil: if you're not subscribed on the mailing list you won't see it
[20:29] <craigbrash> my most sincere apologies
[20:29] <inetpro> craigbrash: wb
[20:29] <nlsthzn> inetpro, team member off?
[20:30] <inetpro> nlsthzn: ubuntu-africa on LP
[20:30] <inetpro> nlsthzn: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[20:30] <inetpro> click on Join the team
[20:31] <nlsthzn> doubt it... after a little "incident" I removed myself from most things ubuntu (even my IRC cloak is now unaffiliated)...
[20:31] <perphil> inetpro: i am subscribed
[20:31] <nlsthzn> I am actually running ubuntu now for the first time in months
[20:32] <nlsthzn> but I will look into it and perhaps I signed up
[20:32] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:33] <inetpro> nlsthzn: how's the little "incident" doing?
[20:33] <inetpro> :-)
[20:33] <nlsthzn> not what I was meaning :D
[20:34] <nlsthzn> but that little incident is doing fine (except for the top two teeth seemingly wanting to come out both at the same time)
[20:34] <inetpro> yikes! Another incident?
[20:35] <inetpro> perphil: ah, I see you're a member of the mailing list as well
[20:35] <nlsthzn> a story for another time perhaps ;)
[20:35] <inetpro> elacheche_anis: I wonder how long it takes for a message to appear in the public archives
[20:36] <nlsthzn> well it is nearing 1 in the morning... I will attempt to lurk here too :) good night all
[20:36] <inetpro> good night nlsthzn
[20:36] <perphil> good night nls
[20:37] <perphil> inetpro: last message that i see is from Yossa
[20:37] <perphil> From: Rodrigue YOSSA, 2015-09-17
[20:38] <inetpro> yeah, I think it's all normal
[20:38] <inetpro> the archives are probably generated once every half hour or even once every hour
[20:39] <perphil> too slow
[20:41] <inetpro> I think we should look at another altenative for our mailing list
[20:43] <inetpro> anyway, time for me to go sleep as well
[20:43] <perphil> inetpro: this time meeting is fair for all members since we have too diferent time zone?
[20:43] <inetpro> perphil: nice talking to you
[20:43] <perphil> ok me too
[20:43] <perphil> good night
[20:43] <inetpro> good night
[20:46] <elacheche_anis> inetpro: Last time I mesured that it was 30min for the 1st mail in a thread.. And minutes for the rest of mails in the same thread
[21:06] <perphil> elacheche_anis: good project, but i use 3g pen
[21:09] <elacheche_anis> If you know someone with ADSL you can share the mail with him perphil :)
[21:23] <perphil> here you must pay about 160 dollar for unlimited net subscrib
[21:24] <perphil> :- (
[21:49] <elacheche_anis> 160$/month?
[21:50] <elacheche_anis> perphil: if you have the right to do it, you can put it @work.. I didn't put my probe @work because it's a 20Mb/s Optical Fiber, that will not help I think.. So I choosed to use my 4Mb/s home ADSL..
[21:59] <perphil> would like to help, we are in the stone age like turts, its too expensive
[22:00] <perphil> have to use net very racional, every bits count
[22:01] <elacheche_anis> I know that feeling perphil.. We was in the same situation 8 years ago..
[22:03] <perphil> as i do webdesign, waste more time on searshing new trends tutos free books
[22:05] <perphil> Tunisia is in good direction, unfortunately extremism is a "stone in the shoes"
[22:06] <elacheche_anis> extremism is a political issue in here.. They just turn it on/off when they'll need it or not..
[22:10] <perphil> that behavior is in their over time, as people come together politicians will be ridiculous
[22:13] <elacheche_anis> :)
[22:15] <elacheche_anis> Should go have some sleep..
[22:15] <elacheche_anis> Goodnight guys :)
[22:21] <perphil> good night elacheche  nice talk :)
[22:27] <perphil> All Africa gone to sleep?
[23:19] <perphil> hello nizarus
[23:20] <nizarus> hi perphil
[23:22] <perphil> are you from tunisia right
[23:23] <nizarus> yep
[23:23] <nizarus> and you ?
[23:24] <perphil> west coast senegal, Cap Verd
[23:24] <perphil> land of Cesaria Evora
[23:25] <nizarus> so you speak french ?
[23:25] <perphil> unfortunately no
[23:26] <perphil> colinazed by portuguese
[23:26] <nizarus> Ah ! no problem, my french is better then my english
[23:27] <perphil> my english is bad too
[23:27] <perphil> now in tunisia is about 02:00 ?
[23:29] <nizarus> no we are in utc+1
[23:29] <nizarus> so it's 00:30
[23:29] <perphil> have installed inkscape yesterday on ubuntu 14.10, bu today refuse to start
[23:30] <perphil> am new to ubuntu
[23:30] <perphil> start use it for web dev
[23:31] <nizarus> any error message ?
[23:32] <perphil> nothing
[23:33] <perphil> since last update on some librarys for security issues
[23:33] <perphil> evince stop to function and now is inkscape
[23:34] <perphil> but i`ve installed adobe reader 9
[23:34] <nizarus> the update was done with no errors ?
[23:35] <perphil> i think so
[23:38] <perphil> i'm using metacity, because my pc is pentium 4 3.0 Ghz and an old ati graphics 128 Mb
[23:38] <nizarus> try to launch one of them from a terminal and see if you got any error message
[23:38] <perphil> ok
[23:40] <perphil> look:root@bidido:~# /usr/bin/inkscape
[23:40] <perphil> /usr/bin/inkscape: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler-glib.so.8: undefined symbol: _ZN7GfxFont16getAlternateNameEPKc
[23:43] <nizarus> bad point : using the desktop as root
[23:43] <perphil> just sudo -s
[23:44] <nizarus> you are not doing an administration task so no need to be root :/
[23:46] <nizarus> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inkscape/+question/262571
[23:47] <perphil> am in the nodejs and xammp, and they need hight privilege
[23:47] <nizarus> just 'sudo apt-get install libpoppler46'
[23:50] <perphil> and im very lazy to always sudo, as my system is fresh new every am installing some new library
[23:50] <perphil> and im very lazy to always sudo, as my system is fresh new every day i`m installing some new library
[23:51] <perphil> so use i use sudo -s
[23:52] <perphil> what you do in tech?
[23:52] <nizarus> don't be lazy :)
[23:53] <perphil> i`m more interesting in html5 javascript game dev
[23:56] <perphil> it worked, have inkscape now, thanks, saved my day and lot of downstream bit
[23:59] <nizarus> :)


[06:08] <brobostigon> morning
[08:27] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[08:30] <brobostigon> \o
[15:04] <ujjain> A company would like to have a call to make a formal offer to start working, and answer any questions you may have at this point of the process. I don't really want to have a video call and have to answer straight in the moment what I think, how much I want, etc. I'm a much stronger negotiator when it's all written and digital. Any tips on how to handle this?
[15:28] <daftykins> make notes and man-up


[19:41] <sem> Is it possible to tell lubuntu to open all files with .nextcloud extention with a custom application? (~/bin/nextcloud.appimage) ?


[11:31] <Laney> Greetings!
[11:31] <Laney> Who is to blame if g-a-p says that I can't have compiz but I actually can?
[11:35] <hyperair> Laney: afaik g-a-p tries to run the compiz script, and if it doesn't work, it says you can't have it =\
[11:36] <hyperair> try running the compiz script? maybe you got a blacklisted pci-id or something
[11:36] <Laney> I see jockey, and then compiz attempts to start and then dies
[11:36] <Laney> but compiz --replace works fine
[11:36] <hyperair> eh?
[11:36] <hyperair> did you manually install compiz or anything?
[11:37] <hyperair> in all the ubuntu packages, compiz is a script that calls compiz.real --replace
[11:37] <hyperair> plus a few other options
[11:37] <Laney> no
[11:37] <hyperair> try checking
[11:37] <hyperair> otherwise debug the script, if it's crashing halfway
[11:40] <Laney> metacity 4eva
[11:49] <hyperair> lol
[12:54] <Cyberkilla> Hello, is anybody there?
[12:56] <Cyberkilla> Hello, does anyone here know anything about the nvidia drivers in  karmic a4?
[12:57] <Cyberkilla> For some reason, 185.18.31, 185.18.36 and 190.x.x give me  artifacts, then system crashes (laptop resets itself).
[12:57] <Cyberkilla> I had to revert to 185.18.14.
[12:57] <Cyberkilla> It is an NVidia GeForce 8400M GT, inside of a Sony Vaio VGN-AR41E  laptop
[13:15] <Cyberkilla>  Hello, is anybody there?
[13:15] <Cyberkilla> 12:56 < Cyberkilla> Hello, does anyone here know anything about the nvidia drivers in   karmic a4?
[13:15] <Cyberkilla> For some reason, 185.18.31, 185.18.36 and 190.x.x give me   artifacts, then system crashes (laptop resets itself).
[13:16] <jcristau> you said that already.
[13:16] <Cyberkilla> I had to revert to 185.18.14.
[13:16] <Cyberkilla> It is an NVidia GeForce 8400M GT, inside of a Sony Vaio VGN-AR41E   laptop
[13:16] <Cyberkilla> I know
[13:16] <Cyberkilla> I didn't think anyone was listening
[13:16] <jcristau> repeating the same thing 15 minutes later won't make people listen
[13:17] <Cyberkilla> Aww
[13:17] <Cyberkilla> I can't find anybody who knows about it. I was referred to this room, on the off-chance.
[13:45] <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/417518
[13:58] <Cyberkilla> hmm
[14:12] <mac_v> hi... could someone instruct me how to set the kernel setting mentioned in comment #7 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23386 ? do i just have to add> radeon.modeset=1 at the end of the line or do i have to also add the i915.modeset=1 mentioned in the X wiki?
[14:13] <mac_v> i tried with just radeon.modeset=1 and noticed that my system became very , i mean horribly sluggish
[14:14] <Q-FUNK> could someone ACK this sync?
[14:17] <tjaalton> mac_v: no, i915 refers to the intel driver. modesetting makes radeon slow, it's being worked on upstream
[14:17] <mac_v> tjaalton: ah , ok... thanx :)
[14:18] <tjaalton> Q-FUNK: just subscribe ubuntu-archive to the bug
[14:18] <Q-FUNK> ok
[14:19] <tjaalton> Cyberkilla: use nvidia-bug-report.sh to file it upstream, not much we can do about it
[14:22] <Cyberkilla> hmm
[14:22] <Cyberkilla> When would I do this? Presumably whilst in the midst of the chaos.
[14:22] <Cyberkilla> I'd have to install the crazy drivers again.
[14:22] <Cyberkilla> I'll see what I can do.
[14:22] <tjaalton> or use the nvidia forums
[14:22] <Cyberkilla> So, nobody has complained of this yet?
[14:23] <tjaalton> not here anyway
[14:23] <Cyberkilla> Someone said it might be a missing dependency in the package.
[14:23] <tjaalton> check if you have nvidia-glx-185 installed
[14:23] <Cyberkilla> Not a missing on on my system, but something odd with the way they made the packages. But, I don't see why it would only affect me in that case.
[14:24] <Cyberkilla> I do. Or rather, I did have everything installed.
[14:24] <tjaalton> regressions in that driver are not unheard of...
[14:24] <Cyberkilla> I've had to go back to 185.18.14
[14:24] <Cyberkilla> The sad thing is, it affects me in every new driver I've tested: 185.18.31, 185.18.36 ("stable") and one of the 190.x.x packages.
[14:42] <mac_v> tjaalton: do you happen to have the bug# for the upstream radeon issue?
[14:44] <tjaalton> no
[14:46] <mac_v> tjaalton: thanx :)
[18:21] <mac_v> after installing from xorg-edgers ppa , do i have to run "dpkg-reconfigure" ?
[18:22] <jcristau> no
[18:28] <mac_v> jcristau: thanx :)
[18:36] <tjaalton> that command is irrelevant in karmic
[22:46] <MTeck> How can I see what display driver I'm using?
[22:47] <mzz> MTeck: I'd normally look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it might depend on why you want to know
[22:48] <MTeck> mzz: just what package is being used
[22:49] <mzz> MTeck: I'd look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find the file name of the driver used, then use dlocate or something to find the corresponding package name
[22:49] <mzz> I'm an ubuntu newbie, the dlocate half of this may be suboptimal
[22:49] <jcristau> should be pretty much xserver-xorg-video-${name_of_driver}
[22:51] <mzz> and yes, I'd expect that to be true, but I didn't want to say so in case there's some exception.
[22:51] <MTeck> jcristau: that's why I was trying to figure out what driver(s) I'm using
[22:52] <jcristau> easiest is probably 'grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[22:53] <MTeck> hrm - I'm not even using -fbdev - I thought that was pretty mcuh always needed
[22:53] <MTeck> thanks
[22:54] <MTeck> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/258950/
[22:55] <jcristau> right, so intel.
[22:57] <MTeck> little grep line was nice and easy :)


 i dont think the creators of linux and ubuntu understand much about what a shortcut on a desktop is
[04:16] <bazhang> linux !=Ubuntu
[04:16] <bazhang> what!
[04:28] <bazhang> first the ill defined support needs, then the flooding, now the name-calling.   I sense a pattern...
[04:34] <bazhang> nice find IdleOne perhaps we should add that to the !steam factoid
[04:34] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve <----- ie that
[04:34] <IdleOne> go ahead :)
[04:35] <IdleOne> it is in the topic of #ubuntu-steam
[04:37] <IdleOne> added
[04:37] <bazhang> ok nice
 i'm not good at reading it man
 can't you just tell me what to do?
[06:14] <bazhang> hehe
[10:18] <Slart> Hello, getting pms from YoltA .. something about evolution bla bla bla
[10:18] <Slart> that's all.. bye
[10:39] <bazhang> got him, and the spam in PM
[10:40] <bazhang> ie YoltA
[10:40] <k1l> didnt get the spam so far. did they mention it to the staff, already?
[10:43] <bazhang> not a staff level issue afaict, unless he goes network wide, and even then its iffy
[11:49] <bazhang> * [anomalous] (~anomalous@bas12-kitchener06-2925333285.dsl.bell.ca): Anomalous
[11:49] <bazhang> seems familiar
[11:50] <bazhang> ie in spreading nonsense
[11:51] <bazhang> * anomalous is going to petition devs to rename distro 'ubrokentu' or 'ublundertu' or 'umadamistake'
[11:52] <bazhang> <troll detected>
[11:52] <k1l> yep
[11:52] <bazhang> wants to know about using wine in wubi on raring, oh yeah
[11:57] <bazhang> he's an arch troll
[11:57] <bazhang> note the "ubuntu wants to handhold" statement
[12:00] <k1l> @btlogin
 Squarism:  you can run ubuntu on windows as a native application
[12:03] <bazhang> augh
[21:42] <Pricey> there
[21:43] <Pricey> ok...
[21:45] <Pricey> in /msg
[21:46] <k1l_> i see no chance for calming down, for now
[21:48] <Pricey> k1l: I can't imagine the kick helped matters.
[21:51] <k1l> Pricey: i dont see the point in talking to him and disrupt the support channel just because he doesnt like the answers that were given to him but were right
[21:52] <Pricey> k1l: If you're of that opinion then I would've thought going straight to a quiet or ban would've been better. Just kicking him so he can be annoyed, rejoin and be angrier doesn't strike me as helpful.
[21:53] <k1l> i count a kick as a warning. its more than just asking to stop and less than doing a ban
[21:59] <Pricey> k1l: Does it ever work?
[22:01] <k1l> Pricey: it works sometimes. but if the user is in rage mode some even go insane after a mute (when they realise that they are muted) and flood or spam with different accounts and ips. so i dont think there is perfect solution to this :/
[22:07] <invariant> tsimpson, why do you let people ban me when I point out that Ubuntu developers are incompetent when they ship an OS that cannot burn optical media via the commandline (via wodim)?
[22:08] <invariant> Why do you promote responses by socalled staff which have no technical skills whatsoever that don't even read the discussion before opening their ignorant mouths?
[22:08] <IdleOne> invariant: #ubuntu is not the proper place to point that out, there is #ubuntu-discuss where users can discuss the pros and cons of Ubuntu and other Ubuntu related topics.
[22:08] <IdleOne> invariant: of course that discussion needs to be respectful
[22:09] <invariant> IdleOne, I find it hardly respectful to ban someone who tries to help.
[22:09] <IdleOne> invariant: what you were doing was ranting, not helping.
[22:09] <invariant> IdleOne, I am reporting an issue which should have been release critical.
[22:10] <IdleOne> like i said #ubuntu is not the proper channel for that, you can report issues by filling a bug on launchpad.net
[22:10] <invariant> IdleOne, the issue has already been reported.
[22:10] <invariant> IdleOne, like I said a LONG time ago.
[22:11] <invariant> IdleOne, like I said: why do people that don't even read what I say judge anything about me?
[22:11] <IdleOne> ok, so you mark yourself as affected and add a comment that could be helpful to the devs.
[22:11] <invariant> That's not exactly advertising your skills.
[22:11] <invariant> IdleOne, anything which can be said about the issue has already been said.
[22:11] <IdleOne> invariant: You are not reading what I am saying. #ubuntu, the channel you were reporting the issue in, is not the place for it to be reported.
[22:12] <invariant> IdleOne, except why Ubuntu shipped broken software in the first place.
[22:12] <invariant> IdleOne, I just want to know why that is.
[22:12] <invariant> Is it incompetence or do you just don't want things to work?
[22:12] <IdleOne> Ask the devs on the bug
[22:12] <invariant> I don't believe the devs are never around.
[22:12] <IdleOne> invariant: if you think you can help make it better patches welcomes
[22:13] <invariant> IdleOne, I cannot help an organization that doesn't have the same goals as I do.
[22:13] <invariant> IdleOne, as such, I first need an answer.
[22:14] <invariant> I want software to work -- out of the box. I don't want an OS developed by people who shouldn't be allowed near to a computer.
[22:14] <IdleOne> I can't give an answer if I don't know it. I can tell you that #ubuntu is for support and not reporting issues, if you need specific help with something we can do that, if all you want to do is discuss an issue, we can't do that in #ubuntu.
[22:14] <invariant> I only need support when things do not work and for the rest there is RTFM.
[22:14] <IdleOne> invariant: What exactly qualifies you to judge who is competent enough to do anything?
[22:15] <invariant> IdleOne, I am awesome.
[22:15] <invariant> IdleOne, but please stick to the fact.
[22:15] <IdleOne> I see, well the ban will stay in place. launchpad for bug reports. start a blog for your rants. have a nice rest of your day.
[22:16] <invariant> The fact is that Ubuntu ships a broken version of wodim.
[22:16] <invariant> Another fact is that you apply censorship better than the Chinese.
[22:16] <invariant> I don't really get how that has anything to do with 'for human beings'.
[22:16] <IdleOne> help fix it. I don't care to see it ranted on without end in #ubuntu and it so happens that is one of the channel rules.
[22:16] <invariant> More like 'run by a fascist corporation'.
[22:17] <invariant> Can't you imagine how someone might come to that conclusion?
[22:17] <invariant> You are like a low-intelligence machine that's replying.
[22:17] <IdleOne> sure I can. They would be wrong, but I can still see how one would come to that conclusion.
[22:17] <invariant> No information is contained in your responses.