[09:37] <sasa84> morning all! is there stats page like <IP_ADDRESS>:8081/stats/ or http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/ubuntu-10.04-translation-stats.html?


[06:00] <prezident> hello ?
[11:48] <Laney> do we have DMB today?
[11:48]  * Laney is on phone
[11:50] <directhex> dear DMB,, my chinchillas need a tickle. please make it happen.
[11:51] <Laney> -1
[11:51] <directhex> :(
[11:52] <Laney> applicant is too smelly. DENIED
[11:57] <iulian> Haha.
[11:59] <Rhonda> Is there DMB every two weeks?
[12:00] <geser> Rhonda: yes, one early meeting 13:00 UTC and one late 19:00 UTC alternating
[12:00] <Rhonda> I see.
[12:51] <sao> hi all. I'm looking for a sponsor for the new package for gemrb (a Game Engine to play games such as Baldur's Gate on Linux) see http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gemrb and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/148427 for details. The package has been around for a while and all patches needed have been applied upstream by now.
[12:58] <Rhonda> sao: Would you be interested to maintain the package within Debian under the Umbrella of the Games Team? :)
[12:58] <Rhonda> That will make it available to Ubuntu without any additional effort.
[13:07] <jamespage> debfx: thanks for ack'ing that sync request for annotation-indexer - and apologies for raising it twice! (note to self - use --lp next time)
[13:09] <sao> Rhonda: generally yes. Just not sure how much more work this will take as so far I have not been involved in the package process of Debian itself.
[13:11] <Rhonda> The package process of Debian isn't so much different than to Ubuntu, actually rather the contrary. :)
[13:12] <Rhonda> packaging is essentially the same, only upload permissions differ (and that Debian wants binaries uploaded too, ubuntu only sources)
[13:12] <Rhonda> sao: #debian-games on irc.debian.org, feel free to drop by in case you are interested
[13:34] <jtaylor> are there any tricks to get LINK_INTERFACE_LIBRARIES to work in cmake?
[14:37] <jtaylor> ximion: ping
[14:38] <jtaylor> concerning projectm
[14:43] <ximion> jtaylor: pong
[14:43] <jtaylor> have you fixed projectm already?
[14:43] <ximion> I'm looking at it right now, but I'm unable to reproduce this clementine build failure...
[14:43] <ximion> not yet, just started :)
[14:43] <jtaylor> I ahve a  workaround patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/656433/
[14:44] <jtaylor> the problem is that cmake adds libRenderer.a implicitly to the projectM target, but places it at the wrong position on the commandline
[14:44] <jtaylor> so that patch adds it twice, once at the correct position
[14:45] <jtaylor> unfortunatly I do not know how to disable that weird cmake behavior
[14:45] <jtaylor> woops thats the wrong patch, one moment
[14:46] <ximion> okay
[14:46] <ximion> the cmake scripts projectM uses are in a really bad shape
[14:46] <ximion> (the whole project is...)
[14:47] <ximion> unfortunately upstream is busy with other things, so projectM only receives very few fixes.
[14:47] <jtaylor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/656441/
[14:47] <ximion> I'm planning to improve this situation a little by merging fixes projectM forks made with upstream, but this will take a while and upstream has to agree with that.
[14:50] <jtaylor> you should always check the dpkg-shlibdeps warnings, it tells you this issue, even in debian
[14:50] <jtaylor> e.g. :dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: symbol glGetIntegerv used by debian/libprojectm2/usr/lib/libprojectM.so.2.0.1 found in none of the libraries.
[14:50] <jtaylor> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/76381315/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.projectm_2.0.1%2Bdfsg-9build1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:59] <ximion> hmm... LINK_INTERFACE_LIBRARIES should do the trick
[15:08] <jtaylor> it should but I can't figure out how to get it to work :/
[16:02] <ScottK> micahg: ^^^ Are you going to sponsor jtaylor's projectm fix?
[16:02] <micahg> is there a fix available?
[16:02] <jtaylor> ximion: can add it to debian and then we just sync?
[16:03] <ximion> jtaylor: Yep, that's the way I would prefer :)
[16:03] <micahg> k, fine with me
[16:03] <jtaylor> it is also a bug in debian as debian is missing dependencies due to it
[16:03] <ximion> I'm trying to find a better solution at time, but if nothing works, we could add your workaround
[16:12] <artfwo> speaking of sponsoring, i'm still looking for a sponsor to look at bug 815283
[16:13] <artfwo> micahg, your comments for the revu upload were all fixed where appropriate
[16:14] <jtaylor> this should be merged too, it fixes a bad bug which also affects natty https://code.launchpad.net/~jtaylor/ubuntu/oneiric/soya/fix-780305/+merge/68196
[16:14] <micahg> artfwo: great, thanks, it's in the sponsorship queue again, so someone else should take a look (multiple eyes make for better packages)
[16:19] <micahg> jtaylor: I can get to that on Wed if no one else beats me to it (how bad is it?)
[16:19] <jtaylor> it makes the package unusable
[16:43] <micahg> jtaylor: mterry is piloting in a few hours, you'll be able to catch him in #ubuntu-devel
[16:59] <debfx> jamespage: don't worry about it. I wonder why --lp isn't the default
[18:11] <ScottK> debfx: That would break backward compatibility.  Some of us don't like to give out more permissions to LP than required and the email interface works fine.
[18:12] <debfx> ScottK: ok, but it could still query the bug tracker by logging in anonymously
[18:13] <ScottK> Agreed.  It could.
[18:17] <dupondje> debfx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-file/+bug/817622
[18:17] <dupondje> you maby have another idea how this could be patched ?
[18:17] <dupondje> like something that works for ubuntu & debian?
[18:20] <ximion> jtaylor: I give up now... :P No matter what I try, cmake does not do what I want, so I added a modified version of this patch (which also fixes some other bugs) to the projectM package
[18:21] <ximion> the package now needs to be uploaded by my sponsor, then it can be synced with Ubuntu
[18:23] <debfx> dupondje: Debian generates the Contents files in the new and the old location: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/
[18:23] <micahg> ximion: feel free to file the sync request after it's unstable, it's unlikely there will be a sync run until after alpha3
[18:23] <debfx> so reverting that commit should make it work on debian and ubuntu
[18:23] <dupondje> debfx: true
[18:24] <dupondje> but when there is a change in main for example
[18:24] <dupondje> and not in other sections
[18:24] <dupondje> it doesn't need to fetch the whole change file
[18:24] <dupondje> thats why this got patched into debian also.
[18:25] <dupondje> Maby it would be cool to still use the new files in debian, and if they don't exist, fallover to the old way ?
[18:26] <dupondje> Such a patch we can get in debian also
[18:26] <dupondje> so we can sync again then :)
[18:27] <debfx> dupondje: that would be better but of course needs someone implementing it
[18:27] <ximion> micahg: Okay, I'll do that. Thanks for the info! (I have some other packages here which might require sync with Ubuntu, and I would have waited for an automatic sync run, I guess :P)
[18:28] <micahg> ximion: there won't be another automatic run, Debian Import Freeze was June 30
[18:28] <jtaylor> ximion: is GL and GLEW really required?
[18:28] <micahg> ximion: I was referring to the batch processing of sync requests
[18:28] <jtaylor> in the pkg-cofig file
[18:28] <jtaylor> shouldn't it be required.private?
[18:29] <ximion> jtaylor: I *should* be private, but an external app had problems with that... But this might have already been fixed, I'll take a look at it.
[18:30]  * ximion still doesn't know why the cmake properties won't work...
[18:31] <jtaylor> I also don't understand that
[18:31] <jtaylor> also the default behavior of cmake is jut stupid ..
[18:31] <jtaylor> maybe because it forces a old policy?
[18:33] <ximion> that was my guess too, but I wasn't able to test this... (if you change the policy requirement, some other stuff does not work properly)
[18:40] <dupondje> debfx: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636249 lets see if we get response :p
[20:17] <dupondje> Could somebody check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gearmand/+bug/682680 ?
[20:17] <dupondje> eventually nmu it in debian ? :)
[22:41] <tgm4883> If a MOTU has a moment, could someone look at mythbuntu-bare for a second ack http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/mythbuntu-bare


[00:24] <jonathan> Alright, I've got a MPV question.  I have an HDMI to USBc device plugged in and I'm running my XBOX to the PC.  I've got video going, but can't seem to figure out the audio...  Here's the command {mpv --profile=low-latency --no-cache --untimed --demuxer-lavf-format=video4linux2 --demuxer-lavf-o-set=input_format=mjpeg av://v4l2:/dev/video0}
[00:27] <dw_0x55aa> sup yall
[00:27] <kostkon_> dw_0x55aa hi
[00:28] <ogra> jonathan, take a look at https://github.com/ogra1/hdmi-usb-dongle/blob/main/run.sh#L62 ...
[00:30] <ogra> (you could also just "sudo snap install hdmi-usb-dongle" )
[00:31] <ogra> (and see snap info hdmi-usb-dongle for the initial setup)
[00:31] <sarnold> ogra: heh, is that adding 2ms of audio latency?
[00:31] <sarnold> ogra: how much can you add before you notice it?
[00:32] <ogra> heh, some more 🙂
[00:35] <ogra> with usb3 the stream might be a bit faster though ... perhaps there it isnt neede
[00:35] <ogra> d
[00:51] <jonathan> Ogra, I'm getting the following message when running hdmi-usb-dongle: "Please connect the hardware-observe snap plug to make device detection possible"
[00:51] <jonathan> Not quite sure what to do at this point.
[00:55] <sarnold> jonathan: the commands you need to run are in the output of: snap info hdmi-usb-dongle
[00:58] <jonathan> ok, wow, went from 30fps to 60.  Just need to work on the audio...  Thank you for your help.
[01:25] <hammr> hello
[01:26] <hammr> short, sweet question. if i install from the current daily build ISO, will upgrading on release day be as stable as having installed from the release day ISO?
[02:15] <hammr> if i install from the current daily build ISO, will upgrading on release day be as stable as having installed from the release day ISO?
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> !final | hammr
[02:20] <hammr> lotuspsychje: so just to be clear, i should have 100% parity with the release day ISO so long as i'm fully upgraded on release day?
[02:20] <hammr> so there's no reason to wait for the release day ISO so long as i'm willing to run a development version for the next 4 days?
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> hammr: yes there's a reason to wait, as 22.04 is still in development branch, depending on your needs you can early install at final, or await the LTS way 22.04.1
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> all depends what you find important
[02:25] <hammr> lotuspsychje: what i'm saying is, come april 23rd there will be no difference between if i installed today or waited for the release day ISO on the 22nd
[02:25] <hammr> that's in 4 days
[02:26] <hammr> i'm willing to deal with any bugs which exist in the development version for the next 4 days so long as on the 23rd my install will have 100% parity with a fresh install of 22.04
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> correct hammr
[02:26] <hammr> awesome, thanks!
[02:26] <hammr> i'm about to board an intl flight in the morning and don't know if i'll be able to grab the full ISO while abroad easily
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> great hammr good luck
[02:28] <lotuspsychje> hammr: you can also try lsb_release -a see if your current install still says development or not
[02:29] <hammr> lotuspsychje: i'm actually on pop_os currently
[02:30] <hammr> gonna try ubu 22.04 out, might try pop 22.04 later
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> oh kk
[02:40] <jhutchins> hammr: Where are you headed?  Some parts of Ubuntu are entirely developed outside of the US.
[02:42] <ZeloZelos> is there a way to have grub show on multiple screens?
[02:44] <ZeloZelos> rtx 2060 and 3 monitors. i need grub on 2 of them, 1 is separate from the others, and when i need to switch os in there i have to come in here to select the right system
[02:54] <mas> so excited for 22.04 only few more dayz
[03:12] <rob0> grub on multiple monitors would be an issue of hardware/UEFI support, and I have never known a machine with BIOS/UEFI support for multiple monitors.
[04:49] <jonathan> OK, so I've made a little progress with my MPV and no audio issue.  Again, I'm using an hdmi to usb dongle to stream my xbox to the pc.  In mpv, I'm able to get video, but not able to get audio working, however, I can run arecord simultaneously to get audio with a pretty good sync.  Can anyone assist with getting the arecord commands into the mpv command?  Here's the current command to run both: {mpv av://v4l2:/dev/video0 --no-cache --untimed
[04:49] <jonathan> --profile=low-latency --demuxer-lavf-o-set=input_format=mjpeg & arecord -r 48000 -D hw:1,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 | aplay}
[05:35] <phr34k> Hey I'm having network issues w.r.t. ipv6 traffic. I'm hoping I could get a couple of pointers what i could/should look into:  Basically I'm trying to curl to an ipv6 address from one of my docker containers. I was able to modify the network setup so of the container so that can do a ping6 to google.com but when i checkout my curl it's not getting
[05:35] <phr34k> any response.
[06:08] <DynamiteDan> greetings. Somehow I enabled the view of dot files on file dialog in ubuntu. How do I revert that? Thanks in advance.
[06:10] <osse> DynamiteDan: press the button to the left of the minimize button
[06:10] <osse> you can toggle it there
[06:11] <DynamiteDan> Ah! Thanks! I was trying on gnome-tweaks
[06:11] <osse> perhaps you pressed Ctrl-H by accident
[06:12] <DynamiteDan> Maybe...
[06:12] <DynamiteDan> Thanks for your help osse
[06:42] <defiant> Oi, has anyone experienced automatic connections to WiFi despite disabling autoconnect? I'm on 20.04, and I just found out my laptop automatically connected to my WiFi AP several times as I left it on during the night. The Network Manager connection has the "Connect automatically with priority" unticked.
[06:42] <defiant> I disabled the wifi before night.
[06:42] <defiant> (disconnected from AP)
[07:00] <alkisg> defiant: run `nm-connection-editor` and check all the connections there; it's possible that you have 2-3 of them for the same AP
[07:27] <defiant> I must be blind. I only see one.
[07:28] <defiant> although I did have problems in the past as the NM kept making new connections for the same AP rather than use existing ones.
[07:33] <defiant> I'll just delete the connection, create a new one and see, if it happens again.
[08:12] <peirik> One of my DisplayPort monitors _always_ refuse to wake from sleep, forcing me to run 'xrandr --output DP-0 --auto' every time I wake the computer from sleep. Most of the time this works and makes the monitor wake, but once in a while it fails and no matter what I do the monitor doesnt wake up at all - forcing me to reboot :/ Is this issue familiar to any of you - and is there an easy way to fix it?
[08:53] <NeilRG> when I update grub, it says "Memtest86+ needs a 16-bit boot, that is not available on EFI, exiting"
[08:53] <NeilRG> how do I repair this error?
[08:53] <NeilRG> Should I run grub-mkconfig again?
[08:57] <ravage> you dont
[08:57] <ravage> its not available with UEFI
[08:57] <NeilRG> ravage, should I somehow remove it so that grub doesn't give me that error?
[08:58] <ravage> its not an error. just an information
[08:58] <NeilRG> I updated Ubuntu, so I'm worried that I should maybe update my grub in some way?
[08:58] <NeilRG> ok
[08:58] <NeilRG> thanks
[09:21] <sebastiaan> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:22] <mrkubax10> lol
[09:59] <masber> hi, I am trying to install gimp but getting an error https://pasteboard.co/rXbgWNMEy50o.png any advice?
[10:00] <matsaman> masber: an ordinary, non-snap version should be in the 'universe' repo
[10:00] <matsaman> I would use that, and avoid snaps, because they are nonsense
[10:03] <matsaman> if you have trouble avoiding snaps, switch to Debian, which is what Ubuntu is constantly based off of anyway
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> matsaman: please dont advice to avoid snaps in the ubuntu support channel
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> its a part of ubuntu now, we should respect that way
[10:11] <matsaman> lotuspsychje: good one =P
[10:11] <matsaman> snaps are idiotic, and everyone knows it
[10:11] <matsaman> if you want people to finally leave Ubuntu, snaps are the way
[10:11] <matsaman> meanwhile people have things to do, and they are going to want plain functional debs to actually get past stupid errors they never signed up for
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> thats your opinion, and should not be generalized upon users
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> feel free to continue this conversation in #ubuntu-discuss please
[10:12] <bittin> https://linuxunplugged.com/454 LUP about Ubuntu 22.04 and F36
[10:13] <matsaman> lotuspsychje: oh I feel free my friend
[10:13] <matsaman> bittin: what's this?
[10:13] <serhat> Hi guys, are there anyone who can help me ?
[10:13] <matsaman> serhat: with what?
[10:14] <bittin> matsaman, a podcast about Linux
[10:14] <bittin> Linux Unplugged Podcast
[10:15] <matsaman> bittin: ah, thought it might be more relevant than that, ok
[10:15] <bittin> well a podcast about Ubuntu 22.04 feels relevant in an Ubuntu channel
[10:15] <bittin> 2,5 days before the release
[10:15] <matsaman> sure
[10:16] <serhat_> Guys, my lapton isn't charging, it says "estimating..."  Is it a very old laptop or battery?
[10:19] <serhat_> aahh that's not very practical of me.
[10:19] <serhat_> no
[10:19] <serhat_> not at all
[10:19] <wez> Yeah! The ol' turn it off and on again trick!
[10:19] <serhat_> wasn't like that 24 hours ago.
[10:19] <matsaman> okay, well hopefully it's something simple like somehow being unseated
[10:20] <serhat_> i don't get ubuntu..
[10:20] <matsaman> what don't you get?
[10:20] <serhat_> these kind of problems happens all the time, don't get it why
[10:22] <matsaman> well, this is probably a hardware problem, but
[10:22] <matsaman> you should remember that your hardware was likely only tested against one OS, and that OS probably wasn't Ubuntu
[10:23] <serhat_> yeah thanks, is there a way to understand if i use ubuntu efficiently
[10:23] <wez> serhat_: Yeah, it takes a bit of research to find hardware that isn't terrible in Linux.  basically just stay away from anything Broadcom.
[10:23] <wez> pro tip
[10:23] <matsaman> I mean for the most part it doesn't take research, but
[10:23] <matsaman> a little research will probably always be at most a waste of time, and frequently will be quite nice to have done
[10:23] <matsaman> serhat_: that's a very broad subject
[10:24] <matsaman> try one problem at a time
[10:24] <wez> matsaman: Until you buy something with a broadcom chip and everything turns to p00p
[10:24] <serhat_> lol
[10:24] <matsaman> I mean I'm on IRC so I know the stories, but
[10:24] <matsaman> usually there are in fact drivers
[10:25] <Jeremy31> Just have to figure out the correct one
[10:25] <matsaman> sometimes it can be tedious to get a particular distro to _utilize_ a particular driver without bending over backwards
[10:25] <matsaman> some distros make it harder than others, if you don't know what you're doing
[10:26] <serhat_> yeah, latter is my problem i guess.
[10:26] <serhat_> okay guys thanks a lot
[10:27] <serhat_> see ya
[10:51] <luciusf> Someone using ucarp(1) on 20.04? Sometimes my master switches to backup, without the other node taking over. I was wondering if I need to add the `--preempt` option *only* to the prefered (master)node?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:25] <bittin> Hey
[13:48] <Liblx> Hello, is there a possibility to add columns for video and audio files in nautilus (ubuntu 20.04, nautilus 3.36.3)?
[13:50] <leftyfb> Liblx: nautilus is a file manager, not a media manager.
[14:06] <pagios> hi, talking about fetchmailrc does it fetch SENT items and all folders by default or should i specify them?\
[14:15] <chilversc> When using HWE, can I pin to a specific kernel version when installing the HWE packages? I specifically want to only use 5.13 which is the current HWE package on 20.04 but I'm concerned if 20.04 HWE is updated to a newer kernel (e.g. 5.16) the older packages for 5.13 will be removed from the apt repo
[14:16] <chilversc> also, when pinning to a specific version, what is the correct version string to avoid the script breaking when a newer version is released?
[14:17] <chilversc> I tried the full version string at the time I was testing the script, eg. "linux-generic-hwe-20.04=<IP_ADDRESS>.44~20.04.24", but that stopped working the moment a newer package was released, it seems the older package was deleted from the repo when the newer package was added.
[14:25] <yverx> hey all
[14:26] <yverx> all of a sudden my pc doesnt wqnnq conne t to the internet
[14:26] <yverx> wannna*
[14:29] <yverx> can someone give me support or point me to q direction?
[14:29] <leftyfb> yverx: which release of ubuntu?
[14:30] <yverx>  20.04
[14:31] <leftyfb> yverx: are you connected wireless or wired?
[14:32] <yverx> wire
[14:32] <yverx> rouy
[14:32] <leftyfb> rouy?
[14:33] <chilversc> ah, I mis-read the error message from apt, the package I'm after does exist, but for some reason apt keeps wanting to install a newer version of the dependency "linux-generic-hwe-20.04 : Depends: linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 (= <IP_ADDRESS>.44~20.04.24) but <IP_ADDRESS>.45~20.04.25 is to be installed"
[14:33] <yverx> rouyer seems to be working sincre i can tthpe herr obv
[14:33] <chilversc> why doesn't apt just install <IP_ADDRESS>.44~20.04.24?
[14:34] <leftyfb> !de | yverx
[14:34] <yverx> srry my spelling.... shitphone ++ very odd kb layout
[14:35] <leftyfb> yverx: on your ubuntu machine, can you ping the router?
[14:36] <yverx> u have a problem with nqttii
[14:37] <leftyfb> yverx: sorry, but if you want to receive support, you're going to need to type in clear English.
[14:37] <yverx> native germans***  leftyfb?
[14:38] <yverx> i hqvent typed a single german word
[14:38] <leftyfb> yverx: on your ubuntu machine, can you ping the router?
[14:38] <rob0> focus on the issue, please? ^^
[14:39] <yverx> i mentiond im on a shitphone qnd it even seems ro
[14:39]  * leftyfb taps out
[14:39] <yverx> to alter whqt i type*
[14:40] <jonathan__> MPV issue, I have a hdmi to usbc dongle that I'm streaming content from an xbox to pc.  Using, mpv, I'd like to capture both audio and video.  Video is working, but I'm having an issue capturing audio.  Here is the command so far: {mpv av://v4l2:/dev/video0 --no-cache --untimed --profile=low-latency --demuxer-lavf-o-set=input_format=mjpeg}
[14:40] <yverx> idk the ip of the router
[14:41] <rob0> "ip route" will show you
[14:42] <chilversc> I don't understand it, apt knows that it requires linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04=<IP_ADDRESS>.44~20.04.24, that package is available, so why is it trying to install <IP_ADDRESS>.45~20.04.25 then complaining that doesn't satisfy the dependency?
[14:44] <chilversc> When searching for dependencies, does apt stop at the first repo that contains the package? As apt policy shows that there's two repos that provides that package, the first has the newer .40.45, while the second repository has the older .39.44.
[14:45] <yverx> i typed ping *familiarip* qnd it asks le if i wqnt to broqdcqst(!?) then - b  elsd whatever
[14:48] <yverx> how do i find the ip of ly router??
[14:48] <yverx> my*
[14:49] <chilversc> normally, if your computer is configured via DHCP, your router's IP will be the computer's gateway
[14:50] <rob0> yverx: are you not going to try "ip route"?
[14:55] <yverx> i did rob0 ty
[14:56] <yverx> only the lqst ip seemed familiar
[14:57] <yverx> thats  what i tried to ping, with the rejmts explqined here
[14:58] <rob0> "default via <ip-address>", did you ^^ ok
[14:58] <yverx> results gdamit**
[15:00] <yverx>     ohhhyay got better kb layou5
[15:01] <yverx> wait did u sqy defqult/via???
[15:02] <yverx> cquse i c. qn pingg thqt
[15:02] <rob0> that is the address to try to ping, yes
[15:02] <rob0> "can ping that"?
[15:02] <yverx> ping thqt one
[15:02] <yverx> yeeq
[15:03] <rob0> try then to ping beyond it, such as: "ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>"
[15:03] <yverx> zhqt does it. leqn
[15:03] <yverx> meqn
[15:04] <yverx> i usualyping <IP_ADDRESS> for testing
[15:05] <yverx> cqnnlt ping - c3 xxx
[15:06] <rob0> <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> should not matter, just any well-known IP address that is known to answer pings
[15:06] <yverx> i have 0clue whats happening
[15:07] <yverx> whaqts the - c3 then?
[15:23] <yverx> ill be onlin for s . bit..  pls pm. so it. dledng get lost
[15:26] <Guest87> Is this the channel to ask about snaps?
[15:26] <PaulW2U> Guest87: #snappy might be a channel of use to you
[15:27] <ravage> Guest87, you can about problems with installing or updating snaps. for problems with the snaps itself you should contact the snap developer. snaps are not community mainainted
[15:27] <Guest87> I just wanted to know if google chrome would ever become a snap app.
[15:27] <leftyfb> Guest87: that would be a question for google
[15:27] <ravage> there is a snap for chromium
[15:28] <leftyfb> Guest87: google chrome is not open source and not available from anywhere other than google
[15:28] <Guest87> What is the difference between google chrome and chromium because some websites check if you're running the official chrome binary.
[15:29] <ravage> i have nerver heard of any website that does make a difference here
[15:29] <leftyfb> Guest87: I'm pretty sure there are zero websites that work with google chrome that do not work with chromium
[15:29] <ravage> if it does install an extenstion to change your user agent
[15:30] <Guest87> Well, a few websites for medical stuff I know explicitly require either edge chromium or google chrome. No idea if running them in chromium would raise an issue.
[15:30] <ravage> so just try?
[15:30] <Guest87> Not to mention, google has been crippling chromium to encourage others to use chrome instead.
[15:31] <leftyfb> false
[15:31] <ravage> google does not cripple anything
[15:31] <ravage> chromium chooses not to include some closes source APIs. in other cases does not allow it to use them
[15:31] <ravage> *google does not allow them to be used
[15:31] <gordonjcp> genius3000: can you find an example of one of these websites?
[15:32] <leftyfb> Guest87: regardless, we are offtopic here now. Feel free to chat about chromium in #chromium or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:32] <Guest87> ok, thank you.
[16:48] <yverx> rob0: hey
[16:48] <yverx> trying to pm u but my client is wierd in many ways
[16:49] <yverx> you seem to be knowledgable i feel u can help me digure this  oit
[16:55] <kostkon_> !pm
[17:14] <dirtcastle> if my laptop heats too much and crashes could that be a ubuntu problem or laptop problem. windows never crashed for me. should I change distro.
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> dirtcastle: you can try keeping a journalctl -f open, see what happens in your system before it finaly crashes
[17:29] <Sven_vB> hi :) where can I find license information for focal's "xlsfonts" program?
[17:31] <Sven_vB> especially the source file programs/xlsfonts/dsimple.c
[17:34] <Sven_vB> found it in https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x11-utils/tree/xlsfonts
[18:25] <Sven_vB> so I cloned https://github.com/xeyownt/xseticon/ , ran "make", but "make: *** No rule to make target `xseticon.c', needed by `xseticon.o'.  Stop." is that a problem with Ubuntu focal? other people write about that repo as if the program worked nicely.
[18:27] <Sven_vB> nevermind
[18:27] <matsaman> had to cd to src or something?
[18:28] <Sven_vB> I had temporarily renamed the file in another shell, and had believed the output from outdated ls command
[18:28] <sarnold> aha :)
[18:32] <matsaman> tale as old as time
[18:37] <GSMarquis> Where can I adjust the battery scale reporting bluetooth mouse. 100 percent is equal to 50% right now.
[18:41] <leftyfb> GSMarquis: sounds like a driver issue
[18:41] <gordonjcp> or a dying battery issue
[19:03] <craigbass76> What's the best way to get avif files open? I just snagged GIMP 2.10.30, but still get an error.
[19:07] <ogra> craigbass76, what error ?
[19:07] <sarnold> libavifile-0.7-bin maybe? check http://avifile.sf.net to see if it looks like the thing
[19:08] <ogra> lol
[19:08] <ogra> that is for opeing avi files 🙂
[19:08] <ogra> avif is an image format ...
[19:09] <ogra> libheif is what you'd want for this i think
[19:09] <sarnold> that's the "if it looks like the thing" bit :)
[19:10] <ogra> yeah, not sure who picked that as a file extnsion even ... wont work on win95 or dos !
[19:10] <ogra> .avif i mean 🙂
[19:13] <craigbass76> ogra: unknown file type
[19:14] <craigbass76> ogra: I may have understood wrong, but I thought avif was based on avi somehow.
[19:14] <ogra> i dont think it is ...
[19:14] <genii> Av1
[19:15] <craigbass76> av-one? or av-ell ?
[19:15] <ogra> craigbass76, so that looks like this version of gimp was not compiled with avif support ... (missing libheif-dev at build time most likely)
[19:15] <craigbass76> Bah... (bangs head)
[19:15] <craigbass76> I thought it was in since 2.10.28.
[19:16] <ogra> that doesnt mean the maintainers have enabled it in gimps build ...
[19:20] <ogra> craigbass76, assuming you use the gimp snap (guessing by the version)... https://github.com/snapcrafters/gimp/issues/166
[19:21] <craigbass76> I grabbed a deb. I'll try flatpak
[19:22] <ogra> funnily the snap includes both of the mentioned libs from the issue
[19:22] <ogra> i bet its some build time flag they forgot
[19:25] <JamesB192> my duck has failed. I dist-upgrade(d) my Focal box w/ KDE and lunarg vulkan to Impish. I want steam to work. Steam seems to require libvulkan1:{amd64,i386} to be the same version, among other things. my amd64 version of libvulkan1 is <IP_ADDRESS>~rc2-1lunarg20.04-1 and the latest in tree version for i386 seems to be <IP_ADDRESS>-1build1. Can I get steam to work without reducing my system to a sheat og glowing glass and if so how?
[19:25] <ogra> oh my ... so the snap build actually builds libheif from source and ships it ... but the gimp binary links against the (way older) libheif-dev package from the archive ... what could possibly go wrong with that ...
[19:27] <sarnold> JamesB192: perhaps ask the lunarg team for advice?
[19:32] <JamesB192> shorter version: is there a way I can force-downgrade the package without gutting my system?
[19:34] <sarnold> you could try apt install libvulkan1=<IP_ADDRESS>-1build1   and when that complains about mismatched versions, tack on more packagename=versions to return to the ubuntu original packages
[19:34] <sarnold> whether or not that will give you a puddle of molten glass is another question :) hehe
[19:40] <craigbass76> I got the images opened with the flatpak version of GIMP.
[19:43] <sarnold> sweet, thanks for reporting back
[19:53] <JamesB192> ah, I needed to pass some (meta)package names on that command line. from 150 packages gone to 10 -dev packages. Yay. Thank you for the help.
[19:57] <morganu> Hi 20.04  I cant adjust the brightness of my screen (20.04) the one under the power on the panel does nothing.  I also went to Activities> Power as some webpage suggested but the choices described were not there on my system.. nothing to adjust it existed there. Help me?
[21:43] <peirik> Whenever I play videos on my external HDTV (extended desktop) I get lots of tearing and lag in the video image during play. My GPU is Asus GeForce RTX 3060, and I'm not really sure which video driver I've got. Running 'lshw -c video' says just "driver=nvidia" under "configuration"...
[21:44] <matsaman> 'nvidia' is the driver there
[21:44] <matsaman> that's the proprietary one, from Nvidia themselves
[21:44] <matsaman> you can try a different version, or you can try nouveau, or you can try different configurations, or you can use onboard graphics likely, too
[21:45] <matsaman> I'd try nouveau first, unless you already know you are going to do some very GPU-specific things only the proprietary driver supports
[21:45] <matsaman> like CUDA, or certain gaming activities, I don't keep track
[21:45] <peirik> Still, when I open "Software & Updates" and check the "Additional drivers" tab, it says "This device is using a manually-installed driver" and "No proprietary drivers are in use"
[21:46] <matsaman> well that text is wrong, then
[21:46] <matsaman> nvidia is the proprietary driver
[21:46] <matsaman> even if you installed it outside of Ubuntu's software center
[21:46]  * matsaman goes AFK
[21:47] <peirik> I dont think I've manually installed any video drivers, so whatever is installed was automatically installed during OS installation I think...
[21:47] <matsaman> could be
[21:47] <matsaman> you have the proprietary driver regardlelss
[21:47] <matsaman> regardless*
[21:47]  * matsaman goes AFK for real
[21:47] <peirik> haha, thanks :)
[21:50] <fn31ln3> So I would reallly like to have passmenu on ubuntu, an apparently ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/password-store/+bug/1727423 ) this is the binary /usr/share/doc/pass/examples/dmenu/passmenu
[21:50] <fn31ln3> what would it be the best approach to have the binary in path?
[21:53] <sarnold> fn31ln3: mkdir -p ~/bin ; ln -s /usr/share/doc/pass/examples/dmenu/passmenu ~/bin/passmenu  # this would be my preference, it'll get updated over time, so you'll get updates as they are made, unless the packaging changes to move the file elsewhere in the future
[21:56] <fn31ln3> thank you sarnold
[23:06] <bluegreen> hi everyone,may i ask assistance for ubuntu 18 pls?  it was working well 3 days ago.. it freezes few minutes after booting.. i think the suspect is the wifi adapter/driver .. i borrowed a working wifi adapter yesterday,and it freezes too.but w/o the wifi adapter its all smooth
[23:07] <leftyfb> bluegreen: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:10] <bluegreen> leftyfb, 18.04.6 lts
[23:10] <leftyfb> bluegreen: I'll be happy to help when you provide the information requested in the way it was requested
[23:11] <bluegreen> brb,il copy them
[23:11] <leftyfb> bluegreen: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:11] <leftyfb> bluegreen: run that and paste the resulting URL here please
[23:19] <bluegreen> leftyfb, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NNrbH3yBPJ/
[23:21] <leftyfb> bluegreen: why do you refuse to run the command as requested?
[23:22] <bluegreen> sorry,i think i miss out someting,il do it again
[23:24] <leftyfb> bluegreen: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:24] <bluegreen> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/9foj
[23:25] <leftyfb> bluegreen: sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04
[23:27] <Guest89> How do I allow a non-sudoer to run a command as sudo?
[23:27] <leftyfb> Guest89: you don't
[23:27] <morganu> !patience|morganu
[23:28] <Guest89> leftyfb Wireshark automatically created group and stuff to allow non-sudoers run as sudo
[23:29] <morganu> I dont know how to use ubottu. How is a successful command constructed?  --- It dont not tell on the ubo factoid page or anywhere else I can find.
[23:29] <Guest89> but I don't see where else it changed
[23:29] <oi> heya its  me
[23:29] <leftyfb> morganu: /join #ubuntu-irc
[23:29] <Guest89> I want to do the same with nmap
[23:29] <morganu> Guest89, simple. if they know the password they do it just like any other user.
[23:29] <morganu> (I am unfamiliar with nmap)
[23:30] <morganu> re sudo they must use a password for an administrative user.
[23:30] <Guest89> morganu the thing is that the other user cant call sudo in the terminal
[23:30] <morganu> I jsut said they can.
[23:30] <morganu> they cant use their own password Guest89 but must use the password of an administrator.
[23:30] <Guest89> They are not in the admin group
[23:30] <bluegreen> leftyfb, installing,ill jz observe after its done.tyvm :)
[23:31] <morganu> Or so I believe. have you tried that?
[23:31] <oi> test
[23:31] <leftyfb> morganu: they need to be added to the sudo group
[23:31] <Guest89> morganu I know what you are saying, but using the admin username and password doesn't work
[23:31] <oi> zest
[23:31] <leftyfb> oi: welcome, what is your ubuntu support question?
[23:31] <morganu> OK leftyfb say nope. they need to be an admin
[23:31] <oi> im wrong herr sfy
[23:32] <leftyfb> Guest89: users need to be part of the sudo group in order to use sudo
[23:32] <Guest89> leftyfb in the /etc/sudoers?
[23:32] <sarnold> or, you add rules to the sudoers files to let the user run commands
[23:32] <leftyfb> sarnold: I think they still need to be part of the sudo group. sudoers just makes it more granular
[23:33] <Guest89> The thing is: non-sudoers can run wireshark with root privileges. I see a group for wireshark, but that group isn't anywhere else
[23:33] <sarnold> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 166056 Jan 19  2021 /usr/bin/sudo
[23:33] <Guest89> not in sudoers, not in admin group etc
[23:33] <sarnold> sudo can be executed by anyone
[23:36] <leftyfb> sarnold: looks like you are right
[23:36] <leftyfb> Guest89: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-edit-the-sudoers-file
[23:37] <Unit193> morganu: https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - https://ubottu.com/ubottu.html#_using
[23:39] <Guest89> NVM. wireshark can run as root because it actually changes the group to its own group
[23:39] <Guest89> group of the necessary bins


[13:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Forwarded from RikMills: :D I have an early lead in kinetic
 http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/ubuntu-activity/
 Forwarded from RikMills: KDE having an insane number of source packages is basically cheating though....


[00:00]  * ojwb twigs why mythtv is keen to record the TV3 and TV3+1 showings of things - it uses the description to detect duplicates and they append " (Repeat)" to the TV3+1 description
[00:45] <chilts> interesting
[00:45] <chilts> one day I'll have to get MythTV set up
[07:17] <hads> ojwb: That "(Repeat)" might just be showing up on your display but not actually be in the description.
[07:18] <ojwb> it's in the description if I look in the web, but perhaps
[07:19] <ojwb> i should check the xml data
[07:31] <hads> Actually, it should be (Rerun)
[07:31] <hads> And it's not in the xml from nzepg.org
[07:51] <ojwb> hads: so it isn't
[18:20] <ajmitch> morning
[18:51] <snail> morning
[19:25] <chilts> morning
[19:52] <chilts> amazing guy -> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78514#c19
[19:54] <mwhudson> morning


[06:36] <jacobw> guten morgen
[06:54] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:54] <AlanBell> higgs boson day maybe http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play_higgs.html
[07:22] <chrisl> #ghostscript
[07:53] <diplo> Morning all
[08:00] <paulmellors> hello all
[08:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:11] <bigcalm> Is it out yet?
[08:11] <diplo> ?
[08:13] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:13] <bigcalm> diplo: UUPC
[08:13] <diplo> Ah :)
[08:13] <diplo> I'm way behind on all podcasts at the mo :/
[08:14] <bigcalm> I caught up on Monday
[08:15] <bigcalm> But then I only listen to 1 podcast :)
[08:19] <diplo> I watch Jupiter Broadcasting and occasionally listen to LO
[08:20] <bigcalm> LO isn't really my thing
[08:21] <diplo> Or me, I use it occasionally to fill time when travelling to Nottingham
[08:21] <diplo> Liked Shot Of Jaq etc
[08:21] <Songtao> hi guys, how to run this cmd at the system startup ?
[08:21] <Songtao> sudo smbmount //<IP_ADDRESS>/share/mnt/fileserver -o username=test,password=test,rw
[08:22] <bigcalm> Songtao: I wouldn't do it like that
[08:22] <Songtao> so how should I do ?
[08:22] <bigcalm> One moment
[08:22] <Songtao> I just want to auto mount the window share folder when system startup
[08:23] <bigcalm> Part of the line will go in /etc/fstab, the auth information will go somewhere only root can access
[08:24] <bigcalm> Songtao: from my own /etc/fstab: //proliant/videos   /media/smb/proliant/videos  cifs    credentials=/home/iain/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0666,dir_mode=0777      0       0
[08:24] <Songtao> thanks a lot, I will give it a try
[08:24] <bigcalm> In ~/.smbcredentials you have username=foo and password=bar on 2 lines
[08:25] <Songtao> great! thanks
[08:25] <bigcalm> Because /etc/fstab can be read by any user on the system, you don't want to give away your login details
[08:26] <Songtao> I c, thank you
[08:26] <bigcalm> Songtao: no problem, hope it works for you
[08:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:27] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[08:27] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:38] <jpowell_> good morning
[09:03] <BigRedS> Anyone got any recommendations for mac-mini sort of sized PCs? Ideally cheaper than the mac mini but still good enough to be worth buying?
[09:04] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: http://www.mini-itx.com/
[09:04] <SuperMatt> build your own!
[09:06] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: it's for work, they want pretty
[09:06] <BigRedS> I did ponder suggesting raspberry pis, but it's for admin and so they'll need to be able to open things like openoffice
[09:08] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: https://secure.dnuk.com/store/desktops.php
[09:12] <SuperMatt> BigRedS: these are quite good, we use them at work: http://h40059.www4.hp.com/uk/commercial-desktops/product.php?id=A2K17ET&experience=direct
[09:14] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: yeah, I think something way smaller is wanted - something that can unobtrusively sit on a desk
[09:14] <BigRedS> that DNUK one is worth punting over, though
[09:14] <BigRedS> ta!
[09:22] <diplo> BigRedS : Revos ?
[09:23] <bigcalm> BigRedS: what do they want to do with it? A revo might fit the bill
[09:23] <diplo> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Aspire-R3600-Desktop-Premium/dp/B0028QSIY4
[09:23] <BigRedS> bigcalm: stick it on a desk and do admin sorts of things with it
[09:23] <bigcalm> I didn't think the R3600 was still made. There are newer models around
[09:23] <BigRedS> :)
[09:24] <bigcalm> How about a Boxee box? It's, erm, different :)
[09:24] <BigRedS> haha, different's not regarded as an especially good thing here :)
[09:24] <diplo> bigcalm: I googled acer aspire revo and clicked first link
[09:24] <diplo> :)
[09:24] <BigRedS> needs to be all customer-facing-friendly
[09:25] <BigRedS> do revos have real HDDs in them, or are they laptop ones?
[09:25] <bigcalm> 2.5" drive
[09:25] <bigcalm> Nothing wrong with that
[09:25] <bigcalm> Put in an SSD and it'll be even better
[09:25] <BigRedS> we're a hosting company, we have piles and piles of spare 3.5" ones
[09:25] <bigcalm> Does the apple tv use a 3.5" drive?
[09:25] <BigRedS> well, a pile of them
[09:26] <gord> older revos have esata
[09:26] <BigRedS> I think anything Apple offer has been deemed too expensive already
[09:26] <bigcalm> I have 9 spare PATA drives. Doesn't mean I want to use them ;)
[09:26] <shauno> 1st gen are 2.5", 2nd and 3rd are solidstate
[09:26] <bigcalm> gord: no esata on the new ones?
[09:26] <gord> no esata on the new ones
[09:26] <bigcalm> Ok
[09:26] <shauno> and if you want it to look as good as a mac mini, it's gonna be a mac mini.  PCs have borg asthetics.  you should be used to it by now :)
[09:27] <gord> new ones have a better ION chip though, i think its a 200m
[09:27] <BigRedS> Yeah, I think esata might be regarded as too mini.
[09:27] <BigRedS> shauno: yeah, I think that's the problem :)
[09:27] <BigRedS> even these Dell Zinos we have which look perfectly okay to me are 'a bit ugly'
[09:28] <gord> if they want something pretty tell them they have to pay for pretty
[09:28] <BigRedS> think I'll send on this list you've all sent me and see what they make of it :)
[09:28] <BigRedS> I think mac minis would be more realistic if they weren't so hard to take apart, and if they took normal disks and suchlike
[09:30] <shauno> any chance they'll let you redefine the question by bolting a small-form-factor underneath the desk?  I think the prettiest computer is one you can't see
[09:31] <BigRedS> I don't think so - there's not a lot under these desks and there's thsi theme of attempted minimalism going on.
[09:31] <BigRedS> might be worth suggesting
[09:32] <BigRedS> just stick a 1u server in there adn be done with it :)
[09:33] <popey> BigRedS, whats the machine going to be used for?
[09:35] <BigRedS> Admin stuff so I'm not really sure. OOo, Thunderbird, and a bunch of lightweight web UIs
[09:35] <bigcalm> A revo would be fine
[09:35] <bigcalm> See how they get on with a Viglen ;)
[09:36] <bigcalm> (suggested just to cause popey to highlight)
[09:36] <popey> no longer highlighted
[09:36] <BigRedS> yeah, there's strong preference for somethign that takes full sized HDDs and are easy to take apart and fix
[09:36] <popey> not on irssi
[09:36] <bigcalm> Aww
[09:36] <BigRedS> haha
[09:36] <popey> fix!?
[09:36] <popey> what is to fix?
[09:36] <BigRedS> well, tinker with under the guise of fixing
[09:37] <bigcalm> You have time and inclination to tinker with work hardware? Ug
[09:37] <popey> i have a revo 3600 here with 4GB RAM and an SSD...
[09:37] <shauno> minimalist admin tinkerers.  you're getting worryingly close to a "pick two" situation there :p
[09:37] <popey> isnt hard to take apart really
[09:37] <popey> http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-zino-hd-410/pd
[09:37] <popey> how about one of them
[09:38] <gord> not much you can tinker with, with a revo though
[09:38] <popey> oh, discontinued?
[09:38] <popey> yeah
[09:38] <bigcalm> I had to destroy the case for one of my USB 2.5" drives. Just to put the drive in my server :)
[09:38] <popey> replace ram/hdd and wifi chip
[09:38] <bigcalm> That was a case that they didn't want me taking apart
[09:39] <BigRedS> popey: yeah, those are what we have in the nioc
[09:40] <BigRedS> *noc
[09:40] <BigRedS> the plan was to just get more until they appeared to be discontinued
[09:40] <shauno> wonder if you could press a chromebox into service, they're the closest macmini knockoff on the market atm ;)
[09:49] <bigcalm> popey: how'd uupc go last night, did you survive? One day I'll make it to a live recording
[09:50] <popey> yeah, mild panic
[09:50] <popey> audio levels were all over the place
[09:50] <bigcalm> Ooo, I look forward to hearing the recording ;)
[09:51] <bigcalm> Joint Wedding account now at £381. This needs to pick up pace if we're to be wed in the Autumn of next year
[09:52] <bigcalm> Humm, wonder if I can do a kickstarter for it
[09:53] <bigcalm> Rewards: being invited to wedding, having a chair to sit on, getting a bit of cake
[09:56] <andylockran> howdy all
[09:56] <christel> yeah why havent you invited me to your wedding yet
[09:57] <diplo> bigcalm: I found private jobs helped a lot
[09:59]  * bigcalm tickles christel
[09:59] <bigcalm> Mmm, good coffee
[09:59] <bigcalm> 3quid something for a large pack from Lidl. Really pleased with it
[10:10] <davmor2> morning all
[10:10] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: were you singing in the shower again?
[10:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: yup :)
[10:12] <bigcalm> Stopped raining here now though
[10:12] <gord> i'd love some sunshine, or rain. either really. got a new camera and want to play
[10:13] <gord> anything but horrible overcast shadowless boring bleeeeh
[10:14] <bigcalm> A photographer's worst nightmare
[10:14] <ormiret> overcast makes a nice base to add your own light to
[10:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's why I ask it was coming from your direction
[10:17] <christel> HEY IT IS NEARLY RAT TIME
[10:18] <bigcalm> Oh my gawd
[10:19] <bigcalm> That means it's nearly a week off work time
[10:19] <bigcalm> Which is always stressful
[10:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: no singing on the 15th alright
[10:22] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: you sing then we get another 40 days worth ;)
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: and the way things are going we'll get them all on that day too :)
[10:23] <bigcalm> davmor2: nice that you think I have such powers ;)
[10:38] <Azelphur> aww, there's this daddy long legs that flew into one of my PC case fans, looks like it broke a leg and is just kinda wriggling around on the floor now :(
[10:39] <gord> natural selection in action, we will have less daddy long legs that fly into computers now, surely thats a good thing?
[10:39] <Azelphur> spose
[10:39] <Azelphur> wonder if it'll recover
[10:42] <shauno> get some duct tape and see if you can fix him?
[10:43] <Azelphur> haha
[10:43] <gord> we can rebuild him, better, faster, stronger than before
[10:43] <Azelphur> \o/
[10:44] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: daddy long legs dont fly
[10:44] <Azelphur> oh
[10:44] <Azelphur> similar thing with wings then
[10:46] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: ah, wiki says the UK calls them daddy long legs :/
[10:46] <dogmatic69> the rest of the world calls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pholcidae daddy long legs
[10:47] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/June/IMG_20120704_114528.jpg
[10:47] <Azelphur> he's chilling out on the end of a molex now xD
[10:47] <dwatkins> that doesn't look like a daddy-long-legs, it has wings.
[10:47] <dogmatic69> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crane_fly
[10:47] <dogmatic69> "In the United Kingdom, Ireland, Newfoundland and Nova Scotia they are commonly referred to as daddy longlegs"
[10:48] <Azelphur> fun
[10:48] <Azelphur> I'm surprised it didn't just get cut in half or something tbh, it flew into a massive 200mm fan and made a loud thud.
[10:49] <christel> :o
[10:51] <Azelphur> that article says in the UK the crane fly is commonly referred to as a daddy longlegs, so I was right xD
[10:52] <bigcalm> My project can now receive SMS. Woot!
[10:52] <christel> i say
[10:53] <bigcalm> And soon it shall be sending them as well!
[10:53] <Azelphur> yay \o/
[10:53] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: php?
[10:53] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: yus
[10:53] <Azelphur> also trust me to have sympathy for a fly xD
[10:53] <DJones> Azelphur: Thats a daddy long legs, I've always called them that
[10:53] <dogmatic69> what provider you using?
[10:54] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: Symfony. Hooking into Oxygen8
[10:55] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: do you know what they charge? nothing on the site
[10:55] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I have no idea. My client has set up the contracts. I'm just the developer :)
[10:55] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[10:55] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: they just use a REST api or something?
[10:56] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: of sorts, yep
[10:56] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it's really simple to use
[10:57] <dogmatic69> ye, I done one before but a different provider. been looking for one in the UK
[11:01] <bigcalm> Humm, 12pm. Lunch?
[11:01] <bigcalm> Shopping!
[11:04] <diplo> Shopping needs a ! ?
[11:04] <diplo> It's not a good thing
[11:04] <diplo> :)
[11:05] <gord> depends if you are shopping for chocolate or not
[11:05] <dogmatic69> diplo: shopping is awesome!
[11:06] <diplo> Shopping sucks, full stop
[11:07] <diplo> Especially if their are lot's of women talking!
[11:07] <diplo> Even more so if I have to take my children :)
[11:08] <Songtao> hi guys, I got a old pc, athlon 64x2, 2.59GHz, 2 GB ram, I want to use it as development server, shall I go 64bit ubuntu server, or 32 bit ? give me some advice please
[11:09] <Songtao> 2gb ram is it too low for 64 bit ?
[11:09] <christel> shopping is best enjoyed as a solitary activity
[11:09]  * christel nods
[11:10] <diplo> Songtao: not worth it really
[11:10] <diplo> Unless you are thinking of upgrading ram and still then it's probably not worth it
[11:11] <BigRedS> Songtao: you probably wont notice any difference
[11:11] <diplo> Unless you are developing apps for 64bit server :)
[11:11] <davmor2> Songtao: what will the production server be running if that is 64bit then run 64bit on the development server too
[11:14] <bigcalm> Songtao: if it's to be a web server for deving on, the machine should be ok. But upgrade the ram if you can
[11:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: speaking of ram. Was it okay to do the post I did to the LUG list?
[11:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah
[11:15] <bigcalm> Phew
[11:16] <dogmatic69> Songtao: if you are using 64bit numbers 32bit will be pointless
[11:17] <Songtao> production server is 32bit,  yea, it is better I stuck on 32bit for dev.
[11:17] <Songtao> it is just normal web app ,
[11:18] <Songtao> fell outdate now, just never use 64bit server
[11:18] <Songtao> :-D
[11:18] <bigcalm> No reason not to use 64bit if the arch is 64bit
[11:18] <dogmatic69> I never use 32bit
[11:19] <dogmatic69> work with php all day every day
[11:19] <davmor2> Songtao: to put it in context I have a server with 1 gig of ram chugging along on 64bit quite happily
[11:22] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: what happens when you want to deal with timestamps greater than 2038 ?
[11:23] <Songtao> en... just found a old pc in office storage room, so decide to build a small toy for myself.  it is good to clean up sometime.
[11:25] <shauno> that's interesting.  looks like farnell are opening up the rpi to general orders (rather than register & queue) tomorrow
[11:26] <BigRedS> yeah
[11:26] <BigRedS> I just went to register and queue and the page essentially says "No. Come back tomorrow"
[11:28] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: 64 bit happily goes to<PHONE_NUMBER>31-04-21
[11:28] <dogmatic69> 2038 is no problem
[11:29] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: yes, you said you used 32bit though
[11:29] <dogmatic69> no
 I never use 32bit
[11:29] <bigcalm> Doh, me miss-reading then :)
[11:29] <dogmatic69> :)
[11:30] <dogmatic69> I have been working on adding bigint support for mysql in cake
[11:30] <dogmatic69> lots of fun with making 32bit work
[11:33] <gord> x32 is interesting, most of your applications don't need 64bit address spaces so you might as well run them with a 32bit pointer size but with 64bit registers. gets you some great speed gains
[11:35] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: most 386 hardware wont make it to 2038
[11:37]  * bigcalm tootles off for lunch and shopping
[11:37] <bigcalm> Best eat 1st :)
[11:37] <shauno> but a disturbing number of design decisions may
[11:37] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: good thing by then we should be on 1024 bit and/or quantum pc's
[11:38] <BigRedS> Is there a way of telling Empathy or Pidgin that a contact becoming available is not a something requring a notification?
[11:38] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: yeah, or at least we'll have reinstalled the OS on the surviving x86s
[11:39] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: there is sure to be a client running x86
[11:40] <dogmatic69> I got a friend that was, until a year ago, supporting a PHP.... 3 app
[11:40] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: I still am
[11:41] <davmor2> BigRedS: there is for empathy you just unselect it in the list of notification in the setting menu
[11:42] <davmor2> BigRedS: unselect it in the sound menu too
[11:43] <BigRedS> I can find a place to stop them making sounds, but no list of notification triggers
[11:45] <davmor2> BigRedS: it's next to the sound tab under preferences in precise at least
[11:45] <BigRedS> yeah, this is precise
[11:46] <BigRedS> I have General, Sounds, Calls, Spell Checking and Themes tabs
[11:46] <BigRedS> or, there is a new empathy in the repos
[11:47] <BigRedS> s/or/oh/
[11:47] <davmor2> BigRedS: http://ubuntuone.com/7abLvmHYTVXUq7VFYom5gY
[11:49] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't have that tab
[11:50] <BigRedS> I'vejust got the new empathy, perhaps that will
[11:51] <BigRedS> yeah, still not there
[11:51] <BigRedS> oh well
[11:51] <BigRedS> I'll have a better look into it when there's less going on
[11:51] <davmor2> BigRedS: try looking in dconf-editor you'll need dconf-tools off the top of my head
[11:55]  * jacobw is interested writing a puppet module to maintain dconf
[11:57] <BigRedS> davmor2: ta! I'll have a poke around in a bit
[12:38] <Songtao> hi,any1 meet this problem, after fresh install ubuntu 12.04, the google chrome is not started
[12:44] <davmor2> Songtao: there is no chrome on a default install :)
[12:46] <Songtao> no, I mean, after install ubuntu, I download chrome from google, and using software centre install it,
[12:47] <Songtao> but the chrome browser won't start
[12:51] <diplo> Nope, worked on the last 2 installs I've tried Songtao
[12:51] <diplo> Could tried loading in the terminal and see if it works from there or get any errors
[12:53] <Songtao> nope, still not works in terminal, no error, just stop response
[12:53] <popey> Songtao, strace it?
[12:54] <diplo> http://www.rt.com/news/rope-people-jump-video-389/
[12:54] <diplo> Nutters!
[12:54] <diplo> Let me have a go :P
[12:55] <Songtao> never use strace, will give it a try, thanks
[13:37]  * bigcalm returns
[13:53]  * bigcalm continues to read Learning Python and wonders when we'll get to some actual code
[13:58] <diplo> I just dived in and wrote some bigcalm
[13:58] <diplo> Albeit I'm quite stuck with a part now and google is no good
[13:58] <diplo> Book any good ?
[13:59] <bigcalm> diplo: I've made it to page 31. I'll let you know when it lets me do some coding ;)
[14:02] <ormiret> bigcalm: since you can already code in other languages I'd rcommend skipping on a bit, I'm sur eyou don't need to be taught about variables and control structures (though I haven't read learning python so I suppose it is possible the start is actually useful rather the usual rehash of basic + common concepts).
[14:04] <bigcalm> ormiret: the start (so far) is mostly about the history of Python and how it works. I don't want to skip too much as I actually find this stuff interesting sometimes. Also, I know that there are basic differences between languages. So knowing how it does the basics is handy
[14:10] <ormiret> I prefer to learn the way basic things are different by writing bugs from my misunderstanding - I remember the way it actually is better that way than reading it and remembering long enough to get things right shortly afterwards.
[14:14] <Songtao> damn, I had 2 pc when I try to run ifconfig, it both show eth0 ip <IP_ADDRESS>. how do I renew the ip?
[14:15] <Songtao> I have tried ifconfig eth0 up/down
[14:15] <Songtao> or ifup ifdown
[14:18] <ormiret> Songtao: "sudo dhclient -r " I think
[14:20] <Songtao> all right, I run sudo dhclient -r on one , the pc will be disconnected
[14:21] <Songtao> but then I run ifup eth0, it will pick the same ip again?
[14:22] <ormiret> it shouldn't unless your DHCP server is giving it the same IP again (or isn't responding, in which case it might use an old value).
[14:26] <Songtao> en, thx
[14:36] <bigcalm> And now I can send SMS.  I really hope the client doesn't want to go down the spammy route
[14:40] <bigcalm> I do hope I typed in the correct number just now
[14:42]  * bigcalm drums his finders
[14:42] <bigcalm> And fingers
[14:43]  * BigRedS hopes bigcalm meant the plural noun and not the verb
[14:43] <bigcalm> !ohmy | BigRedS
[14:43] <bigcalm> :P
[14:44] <BigRedS> haha!
[14:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: poke
[14:51]  * davmor2 snaps bigcalms stick! what?
[14:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh I'm back on for thursday now woohoo
[14:52] <bigcalm> davmor2: did you get the sms?
[14:52] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, goodo
[14:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed I was too busy to look though :D
[14:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: gah, you could have taken the time :P
[14:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: you had me worried I had the wrong number
[14:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: well I was going to say no at first and freak you out :D
[14:53] <bigcalm> :P
[14:54]  * bigcalm stops playing with the client's system
[15:11] <bigcalm> Are all UK mobile numbers +44 7 ### ### ###? I need to make sure I always send the correct format to the SMS Gateway
[15:12] <dwatkins> In theory, yes, bigcalm - that was what they changed back in about 1999
[15:12] <dwatkins> clearly there will be numbers which are forwarded etc. of course
[15:13] <dwatkins> Also, the number of digits should have been standardised then, unlike in Germany where it depends what exchange a company has as to how many digits you dial
[15:14] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_the_United_Kingdom looks handy
[15:15] <BigRedS> bigcalm: it depends why you are interested. It's possible for mobile numbers to terminate at landline phones and vice versa
[15:15] <bigcalm> Ug
[15:16] <bigcalm> I'll try sending a text message to my land line :)
[15:16] <dwatkins> there's also the liklihood someone will give out a number with just the UK area code, but I assume that's not the issue here.
[15:16] <BigRedS> bigcalm: many will accept it
[15:16] <bigcalm> We'll see if it works from the gateway though
[15:16] <BigRedS> BT do a service where you can send to an 020 number, for example, and the recipient has it read out to them on their answerphone
[15:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: shockingly it will work as virgin has a read you a text message
[15:16] <dwatkins> caller ID doesn't even have to use a valid number, when I call my mobile from work, it shows a 7-digit number
[15:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Akademy Week Continues - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4585
[15:17] <dwatkins> didn't they have Stephen Fry's voice reading out text messages for a while, or was it Tom Baker on the speaking clock I'm thinking of....?
[15:18] <dwatkins> The apocalypse has begun in Edinburgh, we'll be completely submerged in five minutes at the rate it's raining here.
[15:19] <diplo> BigRedS: You can do that to most numbers afaik
[15:19] <diplo> Worked on cable as well
[15:19] <diplo> Just text a landline and it's read out
[15:19] <bigcalm> It sent the sms to my land line ok. I have found that I need to format the number to always be 44 rather than 0. So that'll be fun
[15:20] <bigcalm> Ug. I need to write this up for my client. A fun job indeed :S
[15:26] <gord> put another fan on my cpus water cooling thing, now its ambient temperature is 5 degrees lower than what it was pre fan, score!
[15:28] <davmor2> gord: yeah but then it is flying around the room from all the fans
[15:28] <gord> it only has seven!
[15:29] <davmor2> gord: more than enough most propeller planes only have 4 :D
[15:31] <BigRedS> diplo: ah, perhaps
[15:31] <dogmatic69> damn, that is quite the bomb shell cisco dropped
[15:32] <diplo> Wassat ?
[15:32] <dogmatic69> http://boingboing.net/2012/07/03/cisco-locks-customers-out-of-t.html
[15:33] <dogmatic69> tl;dl auto updates required + spying + selling your data
[15:33] <dwatkins> the government will be pleased, considering they almost certainly use Cisco networking gear
[15:34] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: I think virtually all servers run through cisco hardware at some point
[15:35] <diplo> Umm, this is home stuff
[15:35] <diplo> They wouldn't dare do corp stuff on ios
[15:35] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: indeed, I have an 800-series VPN router at home
[15:35] <diplo> This is basically linksys equipment
[15:35] <dwatkins> loads of intermediary stuff from Cisco though
[15:36] <diplo> yeah they couldn't wouldn't touch that dwatkins
[15:36] <dogmatic69> diplo: perhaps just the start?
[15:36] <diplo> nah, corps would move away in a flurry
[15:36] <diplo> The place i ran wouldn't allow it, they would buy someone elses kit if they knew they didn't have full control
[15:37] <dogmatic69> ye, that is still a huge pita
[15:38] <dogmatic69> BT has dodgy stuff like this going on too
[15:39] <dogmatic69> there is a backdoor in the home hubs and they keep popping in to see what is going on
[15:40] <BigRedS> I love the idea of this room full of 'technicians' sat there sshing in to people's homehubs, running ps through a few greps, shrugging, and moving on to the next guy
[15:41] <dogmatic69> :/
[15:43] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: I have 5+ port scans per day on my router
[15:48] <BigRedS> yeah, I just always picture this as humans logging in and looking rather than the machine it probably is
[15:48] <dogmatic69> I would not be surprised, have you called BT support o.o
[15:49] <Myrtti> pro tip for people using Google+: please add your nickname to your profiles
[15:50] <dogmatic69> Myrtti: google has pretty much done away with usernames
[15:50] <diplo> I thought I had Myrtti :)
[15:50] <diplo> Added :)
[15:51] <Myrtti> dogmatic69: you can still add nicknames into the profile
[15:51] <Myrtti> case in point: https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/about
[15:51] <diplo> Under "other"
[15:51] <BigRedS> Myrtti: nickname? As what The Internet calls me, or some Google-specific thing?
[15:51] <Myrtti> diplo: errr
[15:52] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: BigRedS
[15:52] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: ta!
[15:52] <Myrtti> it still is a way of displaying your nickname(s) and you can display it with your name up on the top, like I do
[15:52]  * BigRedS is a bear of simple brain
[15:52] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:53] <dogmatic69> holly cow, you can embed linux in a router
[15:53] <Myrtti> diplo: oh, hai, it was you
[15:53] <BigRedS> you can embed linux in lots of things
[15:53] <diplo> :)
[15:54] <BigRedS> but, for historical reasons, only BSD is permitted in toasters
[15:54] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:54] <diplo> popey: Said something similar the other day, 'Oh that's you' :)
[15:54] <dogmatic69> busy reading about DD-WRT, looking for ways to give BT the finger
[15:54] <diplo> Wondered why it hadn't said diplo in my profile but hadn't actively cheked
[15:54] <diplo> Sure I had done it
[16:00] <Songtao> how to setup dns in ubuntu 12.04 cmd line ?
[16:01] <diplo> man resolvconf Songtao
[16:01] <bigcalm> Songtao: do you want to be a dns server or add dns server ip addresses?
[16:01] <diplo> And with that, it's home time
[16:01] <Songtao> resolv.conf, only 2 line
[16:01] <diplo> \o/
[16:01] <diplo> Catch you all later
[16:02] <Songtao> add dns server ip
[16:02] <bigcalm> Toodles
[16:02] <Songtao> DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[16:02] <Songtao> in resolv.conf
[16:02] <Songtao> I have setup static ip for the system, now I need to add dns server ip
[16:03] <bigcalm> Songtao: quick answer is to add "nameserver x.x.x.x" to /etc/resolv.conf. Better answer is to look at the package resolvconf: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29286/how-to-auto-add-to-etc-resolv-conf
[16:04] <AlanBell> resolv.conf.d is your friend
[16:04] <Songtao> but currently, in resolv.conf, only 2 line:
[16:04] <Songtao> Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8
[16:04] <Songtao> DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[16:06] <bigcalm> How come it's gone 5pm?
[16:06] <bigcalm> This just isn't on
[16:07] <AlanBell> Songtao: the file to edit is /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[16:09] <Songtao> thx, but,  the same message displayed : in  head file
[16:09] <Songtao> DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[16:09] <AlanBell> ah, well that message is lying I think
[16:10] <Songtao> under /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d folder
[16:10] <bigcalm> Maybe that's where the message in /etc/resolv.conf comes from
[16:10] <AlanBell> http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[16:10] <Songtao> there are another 2 files, base and origianl
[16:10] <Songtao> base file is empty
[16:11] <AlanBell> read the stgraber article, it explains everything
[16:11] <bigcalm> Songtao: the URI that AlanBell pasted will explain what you need to do :)
[16:11] <Songtao> but original got "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> "
[16:11] <Songtao> thanks a lot, have a look now
[16:17] <Songtao> got it, works now, thanks everyone
[16:18] <AlanBell> was I right about the message in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head being a lie?
[16:18] <AlanBell> someone should file a bug about that probably (unless I am wrong)
[16:20] <Songtao> I didn't do it that way, I edit /etc/network/interfaces, and add "dns-nameservers", because I setup static ip in this file anyway
[16:24] <davmor2> AlanBell, bigcalm: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html the "dns-nameservers" is the recommended way according the the official server guide :)
[16:27] <AlanBell> yeah, says that in the stgraber article too, but you can also stuff things in head I think (which would apply for all interfaces)
[16:32] <bigcalm> Yep, but nice to know you can do it per interface via networking
[16:33] <AlanBell> yeah, and as maco pointed out in the comments that is really cool for VPNs
[16:35] <bigcalm> In PHP, is there a quick way to remove all non-digits from a string?
[16:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: yes but I'm not telling you muhahahahahahahahaha (no idea really :) )
[16:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is in python but python rocks
[16:39]  * popey is spending his evening testing out new unity and compiz packages
[16:48] <davmor2> popey: oh aren't you mr excitement, I did a mini.iso install today because ubiquity/linux combo hates my webcam
[16:49]  * BigRedS just wrote half a KB of one-liner that generates a script :)
[16:54] <bigcalm> popey: who is editing last night's UUPC then?
[16:54] <popey> we dont edit :p
[16:55] <popey> however I do need to top and tail it and release it
[16:55] <popey> busy busy busy
[16:55] <popey> never get my lens finished ;(
[16:57] <bigcalm> Noooo :(
[16:58]  * bigcalm learns Python
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> a\o/
[17:00] <Songtao> bigcalm, has you try regx
[17:05] <gord> fantastic idea for a lens i don't want to spend time making but someone else should: minesweeper lens
[17:12] <bigcalm> gord: how would it work?
[17:12] <gord> just throw up a grid of results, set the icons to be a not clicked yet tile, when one gets activated see if its a mine or not, change the results accordingly
[17:13] <bigcalm> gord: you use the term "just" in the same way my clients do. It's very disturbing
[17:20] <bigcalm> Din-dins!
[18:21]  * bigcalm returns
[18:22] <Flashtek> w/b
[21:01] <bigcalm> It's all go in here tonight :)
[21:03] <popey> :D
[21:03] <popey> I was thinking the same
[21:06] <ahayzen> Hi, quick question(s), is it preferred for applications to store their settings under ~/.app or ~/.config/app ? also is there anywhere to refer to for this sort of information?
[21:11] <popey> ahayzen, .config/app
[21:11] <bigcalm> popey: what shall we do then?
[21:11] <popey> there's a spec about it
[21:11] <ahayzen> popey, thanks
[21:11] <popey> bigcalm, early night for me, maybe code in the morning with fresh eyes :(
[21:11] <bigcalm> popey: ah, a fresh start is always good
[21:11] <popey> ahayzen, https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/XDGConfigFolders
[21:12] <ahayzen> popey, thanks again :)
[21:12] <popey> hmm, not ideal page
[21:12] <popey> but you get the idea :D
[21:12] <bigcalm> Time for a podcast!
[21:12] <popey> google xdg config
[21:12] <ahayzen> so why do some apps store them in ~/.app ? is that an old standard or misuse or something?
[21:13] <popey> yeah
[21:14] <popey> basically :)
[21:14] <ahayzen> :)
[21:14] <popey> nn all
[21:14] <bigcalm> Toodles
[21:15]  * bigcalm notices a lack of mention at the beginning of podcast :(
[21:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S05E10  The Tale of the Pie and the Patty Pan - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2012/07/04/s05e10-the-tale-of-the-pie-and-the-patty-pan/
[21:27] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/388470-zoostorm-laptop-7873-9037 operating system free laptop
[21:33] <bigcalm> Ooo
[23:10] <ali1234> 8GB ram and 500GB HD for under £300
[23:10] <ali1234> that's amazing
[23:10] <Azelphur> A full PC?
[23:11] <ali1234> a laptop
[23:11] <Azelphur> link? o.O
[23:11] <ali1234> http://www.ebuyer.com/388470-zoostorm-laptop-7873-9037
[23:11] <Azelphur> yay for zoostorm
[23:11] <Azelphur> that CPU is horribad
[23:11] <ali1234> i dont know what pentium B960 means
[23:11] <Azelphur> there again quite cheap
[23:11] <ali1234> but yeah
[23:11] <Azelphur> it means crap
[23:11] <ali1234> i guessed it would suck
[23:12] <ali1234> it's intel so i bet it doesn't do VX
[23:12] <ali1234> which means the 8GB is wasted anyway
[23:12] <Azelphur> it benches lower than a core 2 duo T9800 @ 2.93ghz
[23:12] <ali1234> are they the same socket?
[23:13] <Azelphur> dunno
[23:13] <ali1234> that's obviously a low end laptop chip for email wizards
[23:13] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:13] <ali1234> i don't care about speed but i need VX
[23:13] <Azelphur> the ram is just a waste with that cpu xD
[23:13] <Azelphur> what's VX?
[23:13] <ali1234> hardware virtualization
[23:13] <ali1234> maybe zoostorm will make a AMD one
[23:14]  * Azelphur shrugs
[23:15] <ali1234> anywhoo that's a pretty good laptop for the price, even if the CPU sucks
[23:15] <dogmatic69> ali1234: that is well under 300
[23:15] <dogmatic69> I was expecting 298.99
[23:18] <dogmatic69> that is a shame, "Ebuyer recommends using genuine Microsoft Software and is Windows 7 "
[23:19] <ali1234> yeah well, if need to be told that you shouldn't be buying a computer with no OS
[23:19] <ali1234> i don't really care what ebuyer recommend :)
[23:20] <dogmatic69> great they dont 'force' windows on you though


[14:21] <wookey> infinity: is there a patch in ubuntu glibc to avoid "FATAL:kernel too old" messages using qemu-aarch64-static on wheezy?
[14:22] <wookey> (a version build on saucy works. A version built on unstable doesn't)
[14:25] <infinity> wookey: No glibc patch, but there's a qemu patch.
[14:25] <ogra_> well, you still get messages for the missing syscall
[14:25] <ogra_> 247 or so ...
[14:25] <infinity> That's not his issue.
[14:25] <ogra_> (which is "old kernel" in syscalls.h)
[14:25] <infinity> His issue is qemu claiming to be a version it's not.
[14:26] <infinity> We carry a patch for that.
[14:26] <ogra_> right the fatal bit is gone
[14:26] <ogra_> but we still get the noise fallout in logs etc
[14:27]  * ogra_ gets questions about that since he revived rootstock :)
[14:27] <ogra_> (read: since last week)
[14:29] <infinity> wookey: debian/patches/ubuntu/arm64/force-aarch64-uname-to-3.7.0-to-appease-glibc
[14:30] <infinity> wookey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6954659/
[14:31] <wookey> aha. cheers
[14:31] <wookey> Is it right to nobble qemu, rather than tell glibc not to be so picky?
[14:32] <wookey> I guess the point is that officially the 3.2 kernel didn;t know about arm64 so on a real box it is normally wrong?
[14:32] <wookey> (/me forgets when arm64 did hit kernel-land)
[14:33] <suihkulokki> there is a qemu configure and command line and enviroment options to set up what uname is reported there...
[14:34] <wookey> yes, but I'm not sure how you use that with binfmt entries
[14:34] <suihkulokki> export QEMU_UNAME ..
[14:35] <wookey> you mean the line for the binary that gets run is actually interpreted by a shell?
[14:35] <infinity> wookey: I'm not going to tell glibc to be less picky, no.
[14:36] <suihkulokki> wookey: why do you think the binary running with qemu linux-user wouldn't see the env ?
[14:36] <infinity> wookey: Telling glibc to lower its baseline causes a lot more fallout than you'd think.  Bunch of compat code gets pulled in, slower paths taken, you really don't want that on a new port that literally CAN'T run on older kernels anyway.
[14:36] <wookey> I'm sure it would see the env. The point is that normally it's run by binfmt-support entries. Those need to set all the necessary environement
[14:37] <wookey> infinity: OK. fair enough.
[14:37] <infinity> suihkulokki: The configure option is --enable-uname-release ... Which we (Ubuntu and Debian) set to 2.6.32 on all arches.  Which then blows up on arm64, hence my quick patch to just ignore it there.
[14:39] <infinity> I meant to upstream a patch that actually did a saner thing and obeyed your configure option if it was >> the version glibc supports on that arch, but that sounds like real work.  This works for now. :P
[14:39] <infinity> Well, it also means maintaining a table, which is a pain.
[14:39] <wookey> OK. setting QEMU_UNAME=3.7.0 does indeed make it work. I'll do some more tests with that. Then work out a patch for the debian package
[14:39] <infinity> Oh, and the table would be "when glibc got support for the arch" not "what your distro set baseline to", so still a lie.
[14:39] <suihkulokki> certainly maintaining a distro-spefic hack is much better :P
[14:40] <wookey> suihkulokki: I've done a debian qemu package from the current 1.7.50 git
[14:40] <infinity> suihkulokki: In this case, the distro hack is much simpler, to be fair.
[14:40] <wookey> am I right in thinking that the stuff taken out for +dfsg is just in pc-bios dir, or is there more?
[14:40] <infinity> wookey: Just take my patch I pasted.  It's the path of least resistance here, unless you really want to introduce that table that's a lie anyway.
[14:41] <wookey> OK. unless the qemu people complain that's fine by me.
[14:41] <wookey> (riku and vagrant in this case i think)
[14:42] <wookey> infinity: are you up early or late?
[14:42] <infinity> wookey: Late.  Very late.
[14:42] <wookey> :-)
[14:42] <wookey> handy for me
[14:43] <infinity> wookey: Pretty sure the qemu people are more likely to complain about you asking for a git snapshot. :P
[14:43] <infinity> wookey: (hallyn's already backported the arm64 stuff to 1.7.0 in Ubuntu and, AFAIK, it works)
[14:43] <wookey> the suse arm64 stuff or the linaro aarch64 (spit) stuff?
[14:44] <infinity> wookey: The upstream stuff.
[14:44] <wookey> That was announced yesterday?
[14:45] <wookey> I could have saved myself some effort if so
[14:48] <infinity> wookey: It got pulled in as soon as it landed in git, not when it was announced.  There may be a few fixes to pull in on top of our current stuff, but I doubt there's much.
[14:48] <infinity> (Literally as soon as... dannf had a script running that kept doing a git pull, compile test, and runtime tests to see if it worked yet :P)
[14:48] <infinity> He was a bit impatient.
[14:50] <wookey> OK. any chance of some upstreaming to debian?
[15:12] <dannf> wookey: the changes are in a branch of the debian package on alioth (http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-qemu/qemu.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ubuntu-trusty)
[15:12] <dannf> wookey: assuming the qem team is cool with taking in such changes, should be a relatively simple cherry pick
[15:17] <wookey> dannf: OK. cheers. Adding adam's patch seems to have broken my build for some mysterious reason:-(
[15:18] <wookey> how uptodate are you with the 1.7 master branch?
[15:18] <dannf> infinity: : oh, is this the control file arch cleanup you were talking about?
[15:20] <dannf> wookey: i'm not sure, i just handed hallyn debdiffs. but, i suspect the aarch64 stuff will apply cleanly patchwise - assuming debian takes the kvm stuff as well (basically ubuntu's whole aarch64 patch set)
[15:21] <dannf> wookey: i can prep a github branch if you like
[15:21] <infinity> dannf: I was just talking about a 2-line patch to fix the minimum uname version.
[15:22] <infinity> But yes, we should look at getting all the aarch64 stuff pulled into Debian sanely.
[15:22] <dannf> oh, right
[15:22] <infinity> And update our patchset if there's new stuff we care about.
[15:22] <dannf> i see nothing new target-arm wise
[15:22] <wookey> yesterday seemed to be the point that ajb thought it was 'ready'
[15:23] <wookey> http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-dev/2014-February/016980.html
[15:24]  * dannf wonders when qemu will cut a new upstream - upstream qemu git is difficult to track for cherry picks - or i need some better git fu
[15:24] <wookey> I didn't want to do backporting to 1.7.0 from 1.7.50 as I know nothing.
[15:24] <wookey> arm64 was targetted for 1.8 in 'spring'
[15:24] <wookey> so if we test this and find it basiically works then I hope a new release is imminent
[15:25] <wookey> which is why I was interested to package and test it
[15:25]  * dannf suspects ubuntu virtualized ppas will be a good testbed
[15:25] <infinity> dannf: Yeah, though it would be worth checking if the branches referenced in that email contain more fixes on top of what you pulled in for hallyn.
[15:26] <dannf> infinity: well, it looks like he's saying master shoudl be enough (and i'm in sync there)
[15:27] <wookey> bummer that they did s/arm64/aarch64/ but you can;t have everything in life
[15:27] <infinity> * Additional NEON/SIMD instructions
[15:27] <infinity> * sendmsg syscall
[15:27] <dannf> infinity: he has some other patches - but i've no way of saying how likely they'd be needed
[15:27] <infinity> Those are the bits in his tree but not master.
[15:27] <infinity> Emulating more syscalls can't ever be bad.
[15:27] <infinity> And more insns.
[15:27] <wookey> right. I hit quite a lot of missing insns with the older suse code
[15:28] <dannf> yeah, i was getting a lot w/ upstream until the merge last week w/ the neon/simd instructions fixed
[15:29] <dannf> but my test case has just been "debootstrap"
[15:30] <infinity> Try to build qt4-x11 and get back to me. :)
[15:30] <wookey> gah. after adding the uname patch my build just stops with make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 but no actual error.
[15:31] <wookey> and I haven't run out of disk space...
[15:31] <infinity> That's... Odd.
[15:31] <wookey> grumble.
[15:31] <infinity> And seemingly impossible.
[15:31] <infinity> Did you debdiff old and new sources to make sure that's really all you changed? :P
[15:31] <wookey> sigh.
[15:31] <wookey> not yet.  You just want totest something and on no, random wierdness sens you off for extra faffage
[15:35] <infinity> wookey: Time for a career shift?
[15:40] <ogra_> go into management !
[15:45] <wookey> ha ha people are worse than computers :-)
[15:46] <ogra_> :)
[15:49] <wookey> I have always fancied doing some rope access work by way of variety. Pays well too.
[16:15] <wookey> OK. a non-parallel build gets me an actual whinge


[04:35] <nothingman> hi, all
[04:36] <nothingman> wondering who's got sugar on ltsp going
[04:36] <nothingman> besides nubae, of course
[08:09] <dejai> Hello
[08:36] <loginhelp> can anyone help on getting thinclients to authenticate to the server, pls?


[00:04] <LinDol> Hello, I am translating "HowTo" page on the wiki,
[00:05] <LinDol> Could you explain to me about "Howto Get the Best out of the Ubuntu GNOME Wiki Area. " this?
[00:06] <LinDol> This is, "How you get the best from UBUNTU GNOME wiki"?
[00:07] <LinDol> Was it same meanning from my mind?
[03:16] <darkxst> hi LinDol_phone
[03:21] <LinDol_phone> hello darkxst ;)
[03:21] <LinDol_phone> how are you?
[03:21] <darkxst> without a proper context it could have a few meanings, I guess in this case given its about the onestop page, it really means "how to get around (or find information) quickly on the wiki"
[03:22] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, exhausted, just came back from a big bike ride
[03:22] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, its a pretty ambiguous phrase though as far as english goes!
[03:23] <darkxst>  "Howto Get the Most out of the Ubuntu GNOME Wiki Area. "
[03:32] <LinDol_phone> darkxst, thank you for your detail ;)
[03:32] <LinDol_phone> i really thank you. :-)
[03:41] <LinDol_phone> darkxst, oh your hobby is riding ? :)
[03:47] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, yes, Mountain bikes
[03:47] <LinDol_phone> oh!!!! it is really exciting! :)
[03:48] <darkxst> the downhill parts are, uphill parts are just hard work
[03:48] <LinDol_phone> could you share to me some photo? :)
[03:48] <LinDol_phone> via private window ;)
[03:53] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, this is one of the exiting bits, http://imgur.com/YBLb380
[03:54] <LinDol_phone> wow, It was great! :)
[03:55] <darkxst> and the end result after a 40km epic ride in the rain and mud (last year) http://imgur.com/QD1jiQd
[04:00] <LinDol_phone> wow,
[04:00] <LinDol_phone> you have great hobby ;)
[04:01] <LinDol_phone> Wasnt it pretty dangerous? :)
[04:04] <darkxst> accidents can happen, but probably less dangerous than football or whatever!
[04:04] <LinDol_phone> haha yeah ;)
[04:05] <LinDol_phone> you are great ;-)
[04:05] <darkxst> it is a fun sport when you are not cursing at a massive steep hill climb!
[04:08] <LinDol_phone> I like to take a bicycle :)
[04:10] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, go find some mountains :)
[04:10] <LinDol_phone> haha  thank you ;)
[04:10] <darkxst> mountain bikes are expensive though
[04:10] <LinDol_phone> i will
[04:11] <LinDol_phone> oh t.t
[04:58] <LinDol_phone> oh where can i ww release note for ubuntu gnome?
[05:00] <LinDol_phone> *read ww
[05:03] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, don't think release notes have been written just yet!
[05:04] <darkxst> (well not the final release ones)
[05:04] <LinDol_phone> okay ;)
[05:04] <LinDol_phone> thank you darkxst ;)