[03:55] <jamesh> robert_ancell: thanks for the snapd/polkit patch.  I had found your old pull request, and reused some of the ideas and code in my own pull request
[03:55] <jamesh> robert_ancell: Here's the result if you're interested: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3581
[03:55] <robert_ancell> jamesh, ah good, I wasn't sure if the old PR still existed
[03:57] <jamesh> robert_ancell: I used godbus instead of libsystemd, so hopefully that makes things a little more palatable
[03:59] <robert_ancell> jamesh, last time there were issues raised that godbus wasn't reliable enough. I never worked out what the issues were; my conclusion was the team had been burnt by it in the past and were wary.
[03:59] <robert_ancell> I feel like I've been along this path before :) I hope you are more successful!
[04:01] <robert_ancell> I like how you just did /v2/login. Now we have snapd-login-service in the wild this feels like a logical step that should make sense.
[04:07] <jamesh> yep.  And if we can get this through, it is a much smaller battle to say polkit auth should be treated like root access for "snap install"
[04:09] <jamesh> but on its own, it hasn't removed the need for macaroons.
[04:09] <jamesh> so hopefully the discussions won't go down that related rabbit hole
[04:11] <robert_ancell> Small steps.
[04:13] <robert_ancell> jamesh, Something I was concerned about is the Polkit failure case. In this case it will just fall through and use the existing behaviour. I think that's safe because a) polkit is assumed to be an essential service if it is installed and b) the fallback is safe
[04:14] <robert_ancell> On an Ubuntu Core system I guess you risk seeing errors about Polkit not existing, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
[04:14] <jamesh> Right.  I'm just logging the error and continuing, which is essentially failing closed.
[04:15] <jamesh> if polkitd isn't available, you'll just need to be root to use that action
[04:15] <jamesh> which is the status quo
[04:15] <robert_ancell> yeah
[04:16] <robert_ancell> The snap design seems to be big on highly predictable behaviour, so I hope they're OK with graceful degradation.
[04:17] <robert_ancell> I figure it can't be compile time due to the way snapd is shipped, though it could be a config option of some sort if that was desirable.
[04:17] <jamesh> I think they'd take the ability to share the same snapd binary between core and classic over stricter error handling
[04:17] <robert_ancell> You'd think so :)
[04:18] <jamesh> another possible improvement for this would be to add pkttyagent support to the snap client
[04:18] <jamesh> that would give sudo-less access outside of a graphical session
[04:18] <robert_ancell> I think that every time I use systemctl
[06:09] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:37] <didrocks> good morning
[06:37] <jamesh> hi oSoMoN, didrocks
[06:38] <didrocks> hey jamesh
[06:38] <didrocks> how are you?
[06:39] <jamesh> good.  I got my snapd/polkit branch working, so I'm hoping we can keep pushing that forward.
[06:40] <jamesh> It implements only enough to let you run "snap login" without sudo, which is a start.
[06:42] <didrocks> yeah, reading that on the forum :)
[06:42] <didrocks> let's see what answers we'll get
[07:19] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:19] <seb128> hey oSoMoN jamesh
[07:19] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 jamesh oSoMoN didrocks
[07:20] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[07:20] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[07:20] <flexiondotorg> Very well thanks. Had a long weekend away. Sunshine and boats :-)
[07:21] <didrocks> ok, indicator-messages should now be off the iso with those changes
[07:21] <didrocks> remaining is indicator-applications
[07:21] <didrocks> onboard doesn't have a good upgrade story
[07:21] <didrocks> (basically, no systray/indicator on G-S)
[07:22] <didrocks> I can patch it easily so that the "auto-detect" shows up the systray
[07:22] <didrocks> look for a "onboard" extension
[07:22] <didrocks> and only show systray if no extension is installed
[07:22] <didrocks> (standard upgrade)
[07:22] <didrocks> that way, I can dowgrade the recommends on indicator-application to recommends
[07:22] <didrocks> shouldn't be hard
[07:22] <didrocks> BUT
[07:22] <didrocks> there is update-notifier as well which deps on it
[07:23] <didrocks> (I meant "downgrade indicator-application to suggests")
[07:23] <didrocks> and on update-notifier, as it's C, it's harder to make a runtime dep detection…
[07:23] <seb128> it's not because they use libappindicator that they need a renderer for it
[07:24] <seb128> we should enable https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/615/appindicator-support/
[07:24] <didrocks> does it use the same dbusmenu stack?
[07:25] <didrocks> to communicate
[07:25] <seb128> ?
[07:25] <seb128> I think that protocol is common to unity & kde
[07:25] <seb128> I don't think it's dbusmenu specific?
[07:25] <didrocks> libappindicator pull dbusmenu to communicate over dbus (I thought we switched to the gtk/glib menu at some point, though?)
[07:26] <didrocks> and dbusmenu is pulling part of the libunity stack
[07:26] <seb128> could be, but that's orthogonal to the renderer/indicator-application
[07:26] <seb128> or are you talking about getting ride of dbusmenu from the iso now?
[07:26] <seb128> my point was that we could have clients using libappindicator still
[07:26] <didrocks> I'm talking about getting ride of most of the unity stack/dee and such dbusmenu from the iso
[07:26] <seb128> and the rendering in the shell done by that extension ^
[07:26] <seb128> k
[07:27] <seb128> I though you were talking about indicator-application
[07:27] <didrocks> sorry, as a source package
[07:27] <didrocks> wasn't clear enough
[07:28] <seb128> well indicator-application is just the applet rendering appindicator icons right?
[07:28] <seb128> I mean it's a one binary source and that can go to universe easily
[07:28] <didrocks> correct, but the source package is libindicator, which provides that libs, which has this long trail of deps
[07:29] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application
[07:29] <seb128> I was talking about
[07:29] <seb128> let me look at the libs
[07:29] <didrocks> oh that, yeah
[07:29] <didrocks> sorry, read the results the wrong way, not enough coffee :p
[07:29] <seb128> np :-)
[07:29] <didrocks> and this libindicator vs libappindicator
[07:29] <didrocks> grrr, afer all those years :p
[07:29] <seb128> ahah
[07:30] <didrocks> so yeah, talking about libappindicator
[07:30] <seb128> libappindicator depends on libindicator and libdbusmenu
[07:30] <didrocks> yeah
[07:31] <seb128> it's another of those tradeoff discussion
[07:31] <seb128> libappindicator is used by a bunch of packages in main
[07:31] <seb128> so either we drop its use and regress a bit more the unity session
[07:31] <seb128> or we keep them building with it
[07:32] <seb128> which is low space on the iso but more unmaintained code we carry on the iso
[07:32] <didrocks> yeah, how can we come to a conclusion on this? Would be great to have a discussion with involved parts
[07:32] <seb128> though the code is mostly stable and low maintainance
[07:32] <didrocks> (and patches)
[07:32] <seb128> but still technical debt
[07:32] <didrocks> I don't really care about the space vs the patch/diff maintainance on apps
[07:33] <seb128> step 1 is to list it on the wiki
[07:33] <seb128> one we think the wiki list is complete then we can have the discussion
[07:34] <seb128> with interested parties (including Mark?), on what we do from unity7
[07:34] <didrocks> yeah, I guess that, with the list of packages on the iso at least as example of regression vs perf
[07:34] <didrocks> yep
[07:34] <didrocks> seb128: maybe we'll be more productive doing a HO (like tomorrow), together and go to the list?
[07:34] <seb128> tomorrow sounds good, +1
[07:35] <didrocks> let's do that :)
[07:36] <seb128> cool
[07:57] <willcooke> morning all
[07:58] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:58] <willcooke> hi didrocks!  Is part 2 of your tutorial out soon?  Want to reshare, but I think it would be good for them to have just a little more
[07:58] <willcooke> in other news... I built a PPA!  (thanks kenvandine for the help)
[07:59] <didrocks> willcooke: I can publish it in a few minutes, let me do a last typo reread :p
[08:00] <willcooke> didrocks, woot
[08:00] <duflu> willcooke, seems one debhelper regressed 7 hours ago. I just grabbed a proposed fix so in theory can test your branch proper now
[08:00] <willcooke> duflu, afternoon!
[08:00] <duflu> willcooke, and happy Wednesday
[08:01] <willcooke> duflu, I dont think we'll merge it yet, spoke to s_eb128 about it yesterday.  I think speaking to upstream PAudio for a "real" fix is the right thing to do atm
[08:01] <Laney> yo
[08:01] <willcooke> duflu, I'll talk about it some more in the meeting
[08:01] <willcooke> morning Laney
[08:02] <duflu> willcooke, OK nevermind. BTW I noticed a new feature highlighted in bold here. Seems to be very timely - http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-7-1-rc1
[08:02] <willcooke> duflu, but if you're interested:  https://launchpad.net/~willcooke/+archive/ubuntu/gdm-nobluetoothaudio
[08:02] <duflu> willcooke, ta but I was trying to do the proper thing and test the branch directly
[08:03] <willcooke> duflu, ah right.  Thx
[08:03] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney, how is u.k today?
[08:03] <willcooke> rainy
[08:03] <willcooke> which is great
[08:03] <willcooke> :)
[08:03] <seb128> wonder if it's raining as much for you that it is here
[08:03] <seb128> lol
[08:03] <seb128> :p
[08:04] <willcooke> My grass might turn green again
[08:04] <willcooke> ooooooh!  Software update notifications on the lock screen, I like that
[08:05] <duflu> Welcome to the world of upstream shell collaboration :)
[08:06] <willcooke> \o/
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:08] <Laney> not raining here, we had enough yesterday for a week ...
[08:08] <Laney> how are you?
[08:09] <didrocks> willcooke: just git push, should be up in few seconds
[08:09] <willcooke> didrocks, merci
[08:09] <willcooke> didrocks, can I suggest a link from pt 1 to pt 2 and vice versa?
[08:10] <didrocks> ah, I have done pt2 to pt1
[08:10] <didrocks> I can add from pt1 to pt2, one sec
[08:12] <duflu> Umm, I no longer have a mouse on the login screen (but Gnome Shell does). Is that a feature?
[08:13] <didrocks> willcooke: link pushed
[08:13] <willcooke> thx didrocks
[08:13] <didrocks> yw
[08:13] <willcooke> duflu, hum.  Bluetooth mouse?
[08:13] <duflu> No, USB. It's visibly powered but no cursor in gdm
[08:14] <duflu> OTOH I am testing a custom gdm
[08:14] <willcooke> duflu, testing here
[08:15] <duflu> But Bluetooth audio is fixed  :)
[08:15] <duflu> Forget it, unless the problem occurs in official builds
[08:21] <willcooke> duflu, yeah, mouse works here.
[08:22] <duflu> Cosmic rays
[08:22] <duflu> Moving on...
[08:22] <willcooke> :)
[08:22]  * willcooke goes to try the auto connect fixes
[08:22] <willcooke> "switch-on-connect"
[08:27] <willcooke> duflu, bah, no good.  Could be this particular speaker though
[08:28] <duflu> BT and USB hotplugging works great for me now. The USB part drove me crazy for years and I guess BT is a big deal for others
[08:28] <duflu> Strangely also fixed a separate USB DAC problem... somehow
[08:30] <willcooke> hehe
[08:32] <willcooke> so, toggling the speaker on and off in the control panel seems to work well,  just powering off the speaker causes a bit of a lock up and eventually switches back to the internal speaker (probably fair enough, since there isn't a handshake, it's just OFFFFFF)
[08:33] <willcooke> powering the speaker back on doesnt re-connect automatically
[08:33] <willcooke> I'll test with another speaker, since this one is super-cheapo
[08:33] <Laney> Setting up gdm3 (3.24.2-1ubuntu5) ...
[08:33] <Laney> dpkg-query: package 'ubuntu-session' is not installed and no information is available
[08:33] <duflu> willcooke, Yeah bouncing bluetooth doesn't seem to be robust after a few attempts. But it's seemingly getting better. I think this is as good as it's ever been
[08:33] <Laney> /o\
[08:34] <willcooke> duflu,  it's a clear improvement in my book
[08:34] <willcooke> found another missing icon
[08:36] <willcooke> duflu,  new speaker - a Sony one - works perfectly!!!
[08:36] <duflu> I can also say "It's a Sony"
[08:37] <andyrock> willcooke: by what time you need the demo ready? End of day or before?
[08:37] <willcooke> andyrock, EOD is fine for me
[08:37] <andyrock> and good morning
[08:37] <willcooke> hi!
[08:37] <andyrock> kk thanks
[08:37] <andyrock> :)
[08:38] <willcooke> duflu, lulz..  this cheapo one... "protable":  http://imgur.com/a/9WUE0
[08:44] <willcooke> didrocks, soo.. rebuilding those blender files for the help movies, I left it runinng for 3 days and it never finished.  Can't tell if it's broken, or if it just takes a long time to run.  Do we upload the videos as binaries. or are they built in LP?
[08:47] <didrocks> willcooke: right now, they are all pre-built
[08:47] <didrocks> distributed with the source
[08:47] <willcooke> didrocks, oki, that's probably good.  Do you have a machine in the cloud somewhere that I could set to work on them?
[08:47] <willcooke> I'm not sure I can stand the fan noise any more :D
[08:48] <didrocks> willcooke: I don't, maybe you can try canonistack?
[08:48] <willcooke> didrocks, nod
[08:51] <didrocks> willcooke: jibel: FYI, the gdm3 simple patch is uploaded to favor X11 sessions over wayland when no default is set
[08:51] <didrocks> (still in proposed)
[08:51] <willcooke> didrocks, nice one, thanks!  You got to the bottom of it then?  Just gdm prefers Wayland?
[08:52] <didrocks> willcooke: yep, when there has been no session selected, which still makes me wondering for "your" case
[08:52] <didrocks> as you did select "ubuntu" on purpose and not "ubuntu on wayland"
[08:55] <willcooke> didrocks, ah right.  I'll do another fresh install (maybe tomorrow) and try again
[09:01] <jibel> didrocks, okay, I'll try it. I'll install the package at the end of a fresh installation and before first login
[09:02] <didrocks> jibel: this is gdm3 3.24.2-1ubuntu6
[09:18] <ricotz> didrocks, hi, added thunderbird-gnome-support to Breaks of ubuntu-session?
[09:22] <didrocks> ricotz: urgh, was probably not enough coffee, wanted recommends
[09:22]  * didrocks checks
[09:24] <didrocks> ricotz: correct, more coffee was needed. Thanks for spotting it! uploaded.
[09:25] <ricotz> didrocks, it was hard to miss here due suggested package removals
[09:26] <didrocks> ricotz: yeah, I guess ;)
[09:26] <didrocks> (I've already removed it here to test in a G-S session)
[09:39] <duflu> willcooke, oops. Your fix works permanently as the new file doesn't uninstall
[09:39] <willcooke> duflu, heh, yay
[09:39] <willcooke> duflu, I've made a mess of that branch now by hacking the changelog, so if we decide to use it I'll make a nice clean one.
[09:40] <duflu> willcooke, it's fine. bzr doesn't make history very discoverable after a merge
[09:41] <willcooke> so should I consider putting something in the postrm file as well?
[09:42] <duflu> willcooke, probably? Although I thought debs had better config file management...?
[09:42] <jamesh> "bzr log -n0" will show all your sins
[09:43] <duflu> Yes, but my point was nobody looks there too much
[09:43] <jamesh> (assuming you consider the process of software development to be a sin)
[09:44] <duflu> sinners use spaces :)
[09:45] <Laney> willcooke: The gdm user's home directory is already removed in the postrm
[09:45] <Laney> (when purging)
[09:45] <willcooke> Laney, the file lives in /var/lib/gdm3/.config/pulse
[09:45] <willcooke> (or something like that)
[09:46] <Laney> I know, that's the home directory
[09:46] <didrocks> /var/lib/gdm3 is gdm user's home
[09:46] <willcooke> oh
[09:46] <didrocks> as Laney pointed :)
[09:47] <willcooke> the moral of this story is that I will ask someone who knows what they are doing to help me if we decide to actually go with this workaround
[09:47] <duflu> willcooke, I'm looking at the upstream docs for how to do it. Gimme a sec
[09:48] <willcooke> Laney, btw - we just had our Bluetooth meeting.  Decision is that seb128 will speak to upstream and see if we can get a proper fix in place.  If that doesn't go anywere we can reconsider the proposed work-around and do it properly
[09:49] <Laney> k, that sounds right to me
[09:49] <duflu> OK, that didn't work. But anyway willcooke there is https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup/
[09:50] <willcooke> blimey, I remember reading that page yeeeears ago
[09:51] <willcooke> is ESD still a thing?
[09:51] <willcooke> oh, no, it says about replacing esd with pulse
[09:52] <duflu> Hmm, yes. If you kill and restart the gdm pulseaudio then the user's own one gets priority and works
[09:52] <duflu> Or maybe that's a race
[09:53] <willcooke> I think thats not going to work perfectly.  a11y would be unavailble at the lock screen then
[09:53] <willcooke> or, if you killed the users pa on lock, then music would stop playing when you locked the machine
[09:56] <duflu> willcooke, did you say you saw the mention of the problem on Arch wiki?
[09:56] <willcooke> duflu, yeah.  This debian wiki:  https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/a2dp
[09:56] <willcooke> then links to this arch wiki:
[09:57] <willcooke> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Talk:Bluetooth_headset#GDMs_pulseaudio_instance_captures_bluetooth_headset
[09:59] <duflu> I wonder if there is an a11y problem at all. Before today Pulse would default to the PC speaker or whatever is plugged in to that. I doubt a11y users could have been using BT in GDM if they wanted to
[10:00] <duflu> Although I forgot about static priorities and don't remember testing booting with the device on previously
[10:00] <willcooke> AIUI, the Pulse settings are system wide, so.. if you logged in, paired the headset/speaker, logged out again - then it /might/ try and use it at greeter - so maybe it's possible?
[10:01] <willcooke> quite a lot of guess work there ^ :)
[10:01] <duflu> willcooke, no I don't think we use that mode and it's mildly not recommended https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/SystemWide/
[10:02] <duflu> That should solve it tho
[10:04] <duflu> Anyway, I feel terrible. Time to try this new medication...
[10:13] <ricotz> didrocks, better check gnome-session again, the changelog mentions unity-session and you touched ubuntu-session
[10:15]  * didrocks *sighs*, ok no more upload apart from that fix today :/
[10:15] <jamesh> willcooke: I'm still not sure whether we'll be able to convince Gustavo to go fully macaroon-less for local snapd auth, but I've got a working first stab at polkit integreation for snapd: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3581
[10:16] <ricotz> didrocks, having things reviewed helps ;)
[10:16] <ricotz> ... before pushing it
[10:16] <didrocks> ricotz: yeah, especially when doing too many things at the same time :p
[10:16] <jamesh> this essentially just lets snapd do what we use snapd-login-service for
[10:16] <didrocks> well, at least it's a minor typo, not breaking people compared to other issues ;)
[10:17] <didrocks> (gnome-session has too many binary packages, easy to scroll up and be in a different one)
[10:20]  * didrocks did a debdiff + bzr diff this time
[10:31] <willcooke> jamesh, sorry was otp
[10:31] <willcooke> reading
[10:32] <willcooke> jamesh, ah nice one!
[10:45] <willcooke> What's the wayland tag for bugs again?  Is it just "wayland"?  I had a feeling there might have been a different one
[10:45] <seb128> "wayland"
[10:45] <willcooke> thx seb128
[10:45] <seb128> yw
[10:49] <Laney> jamesh: hope you manage to get buy in for that work
[10:49] <Laney> & hi!
[10:51] <jamesh> Laney: I do too.  It sounds like there is a desire to tighten up the API security a bit, so hopefully they'll see this as part of it.
[11:05]  * Laney nods
[11:51] <jibel> willcooke, it's wayland but apport adds the tag wayland-session if wayland is running
[11:53] <jibel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland-session
[12:04] <jibel> seb128, what do you think about using wayland-session instead of wayland for the official tag
[12:04] <jibel> ?
[12:04] <jibel> and merge both lists
[12:05] <seb128> either way is fine to me, just pick whatever you think is easier
[12:05] <seb128> but maybe check with jbicha as well
[12:08] <jibel> I'd keep wayland-session, easier to change the official tag than updating and releasing apport
[12:08] <jibel> jbicha, what do you think? ^
[12:12] <jbicha> I think it's good to have 2 different tags
[12:13] <jbicha> one tag is because the user happens to be running wayland but doesn't mean the problem is specific to wayland
[12:15] <jibel> so someone has to review the bugs tagged wayland-session and add the wayland tag if the problem is specific to wayland
[12:16] <jbicha> yes
[12:17] <jibel> jbicha, why not use 1 tag for wayland eg wayland-session and remove the ayland-session tag if it is not specific to wayland?
[12:17] <jibel> I don't see any benefit in having 2 lists for wayland
[12:18] <jbicha> it's like the 'amd64' tag; it's useful to know what architecture someone is running but it's rare for the bug to be because they're using amd64
[12:18] <jbicha> very few bugs are because of Wayland but we still want to know whether the user is running Wayland
[12:20] <jbicha> it's only because Wayland is not the default yet that the number of wayland-session bugs is so small, and maybe someone triaged some of those to remove the tag too (but that's needless busywork)
[12:23] <seb128> jibel, one list doesn't let you make the difference between triaged bugs which are confirmed to be wayland specific (=bugs to look at for us)  and the stack of incoming reports from users on the wayland session (need triaging)
[12:24] <jibel> seb128, that's fine as long as someone triage them. Several bugs tagged wayland-session seem wayland specific and are not tagged wayland. These bugs are useful to help with the decision to go or not go with wayland
[12:28] <jibel> didrocks, just to confirm, with latest gdm3, autologin, the session is running ubuntu-x11
[12:30] <didrocks> \o/
[12:35] <seb128> jibel, fair point, we should triage them regularly
[12:49] <willcooke> Can anyone work out where the heck this icon is coming from?  http://imgur.com/a/r5CLa
[12:49] <jbicha> seb128: is it worth proposing your evolution change upstream? and remember to do it for e-d-s too :)
[12:49] <willcooke> I'm pretty sure it's called "audio-headset" and I've looked at all the ones on disk, and none of them match
[12:52] <jbicha> willcooke: it's probably from adwaita-icon-theme
[12:53] <jbicha> I opened up gtk3-icon-browser and looked for it, then I ran  apt-file search audio-headset
[12:54] <jibel> willcooke, looks like it's from adwaita
[12:54] <jibel> willcooke, /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/24x24/devices/audio-headset.png
[12:55] <willcooke> thanks!
[12:56] <willcooke> so, related to that, you can see on that screenshot the missing icon - IMO a direct copy / symlink to that headset one is good enough.  So do I need to try and fix that in Adwaita, or can we bodge it at an Ubuntu level?
[12:57] <willcooke> Could I add that to, say, Humanity
[12:58] <jbicha> willcooke: please check if installing adwaita-icon-theme-full makes a difference
[13:00] <willcooke> jbicha, will do, and thanks for the point to the icon browser, very useful indeed
[13:01] <seb128> jbicha, I guess I can try to upstream them, technically what upŝtream does is a bit better but in practice it shouldn't make a difference, I'm just unsure "we have tools parsing that file which are not smart enough to understand variables" is a good justification
[13:19] <Laney> didrocks: kenvandine: I made a change to the gdm3.config - want to review it? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gdm/ubuntu/revision/421
[13:20]  * Laney goes to lunch
[13:21] <kenvandine> Laney, we had wanted to do the check based on ubuntu-session being installed, not for all users of gdm3
[13:21] <kenvandine> based on our original discussion
[13:22] <kenvandine> but i guess if ubuntu-session isn't installed, users won't have their session set to ubuntu
[13:24] <willcooke> jbicha, full icon theme doesn't help, and I dont see it in icon browser
[13:24] <willcooke> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696402
[13:24] <willcooke> makes mention of the headset one, and says its in gnome-icon-theme (comment #7)
[13:25] <willcooke> grr,ignore that.  I'm looking for handsfree
[13:25] <willcooke> which is says is to come
[13:28] <didrocks> Laney: +1 on the change. It covers all cases we discussed together and I like it better than previous implementation. My only nitpick is that you revert if people reselected "lightdm" since last week as you compare with your own version, but I guess this is fine :) For backport, maybe compare with 3.24.2-1ubuntu7~ rather? (if people backported it to xenial), minor nitpick :p
[13:33] <seb128> willcooke, what's the issue with that headset icon? doesn't represent the device well?
[13:33] <seb128> willcooke, also you are investigating the missing icon for handsfree?
[13:33] <willcooke> rather the handsfree icon is missing.  I think it could just be a copy of the handsfree one.  I can't find a "real" one anywhere.
[13:33] <willcooke> *headset
[13:33] <willcooke> handsfree could be a copy of headset
[13:34] <popey> jibel: yo, got time for a hangout this afternoon about desktop testing?
[13:34] <willcooke> (seems two words begining with the same letter is more than my brain can handle)
[13:35] <seb128> willcooke, that's sort of what was suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1130137
[13:35] <willcooke> wfm
[13:36] <jibel> popey, sure, when?
[13:36] <jibel> popey, just add something to my calendar
[13:36] <willcooke> seb128,  so would that "fix" be in Ubuntu?
[13:36] <seb128> willcooke, ideally upstream but we could add the symlink to our package meanwhile
[13:38] <willcooke> seb128, ack, thx
[13:38] <popey> jibel: kk
[13:54] <Laney> kenvandine: yeah, but I don't think that can work properly if the check isn't in ubuntu-session itself
[13:56] <Laney> didrocks: yeh, but I was worried about previous versions not working properly
[13:56] <Laney> not sure about the ~, what's the idea there?
[13:56] <didrocks> Laney: like for a lot of upgrade story, if someone backport the same version to a ppa, like ~ppa1, we don't want to remigrate after this
[13:57] <kenvandine> Laney, ok, +1 from me then
[13:57] <didrocks> but again, that's in the case people backport the stack (to xenial), not sure if you care, I don't that much
[14:01] <Laney> nod, I think that makes sense
[14:30] <jibel> how can I disable the snap plugin of gnome-software?
[14:30] <Laney> delete it
[14:31] <jibel> :) ok
[14:33] <jbicha> jibel: if you're using Artful, you can look up GNOME Software in GNOME Software and turn off Snappy support
[14:33] <jbicha> or just uninstall gnome-software-plugin-snap
[14:34] <Laney> ...
[14:34] <didrocks> Laney: btw, the gnome software icon isn't the ubuntu one (I didn't check why yet), did you notice?
[14:35] <didrocks> IIRC, there was an onlyshowin=ubuntu
[14:36] <jbicha> it shows up as Ubuntu Software in 'Ubuntu' but not in 'Ubuntu on Wayland'
[14:37] <didrocks> the icon isn't Ubuntu Software though
[14:37] <didrocks> which was the point made in the trello card
[14:37] <Laney> actually I see both
[14:37] <didrocks> oh, I don't
[14:38] <didrocks> only one entry "ubuntu-software"
[14:38] <jibel> jbicha, ah thanks. Sounds better.
[14:38] <didrocks> but with upstream icon
[14:38] <Laney> k, well it'll only work in a session called ubuntu
[14:38] <didrocks> as told:
[14:38] <didrocks> $ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[14:38] <didrocks> ubuntu
[14:38] <Laney> k
[14:38] <jibel> the snap plugin seems to have a huge negative impact on performance of gnome-software
[14:39] <Laney> if you want to debug it that would be welcome
[14:39] <didrocks> yep, will do :)
[14:51] <seb128> jibel, on what actions? startup? search?
[14:52] <didrocks> willcooke: how do you import bug reports to trello automatically?
[14:52] <didrocks> I don't see a tag
[14:52] <willcooke> didrocks, add "desktop-trello-import" tag and then tell me the project name
[14:52] <willcooke> package name
[14:53] <willcooke> whatever it's called
[14:53] <willcooke> the thing
[14:53] <willcooke> :)
[14:54] <didrocks> willcooke: the things are: gdm3 gsettings-desktop-schemas gnome-software
[14:54] <didrocks> :)
[14:54] <willcooke> didrocks, same bug for all of them?
[14:54] <willcooke> looks like gnome-software was the right one
[14:55] <willcooke> https://trello.com/c/nUBUEkyG/188-bug1703849-gnome-software-doesnt-show-ubuntu-icon-in-the-ubuntu-session
[14:55] <didrocks> willcooke: no, it's 3 different bugs I wanted to attach
[14:55] <willcooke> didrocks, that will appear as 3 different cards
[14:55] <willcooke> is that ok?
[14:55] <didrocks> willcooke: as I expect, they are 3 different things :)
[14:55] <didrocks> willcooke: yes
[14:55] <willcooke> kk
[14:56] <didrocks> thx!
[14:56] <jibel> seb128, search for sure, maybe startup but I don't have any data and startup is already really slow just with debs because it refreshes the package cache
[14:56] <willcooke> didrocks, https://trello.com/c/fX8lP0VF/189-bug1703326-lock-screen-wallpaper-is-a-plain-blue-screen
[14:57] <didrocks> willcooke: doesn't do assignement matching, I'm soooooooooooooooooooo disappointed :)
[14:57] <willcooke> didrocks, hm, the gdm3 one isnt being found, got a bug number?>
[14:57] <willcooke> didrocks, its on my todo list
[14:57] <willcooke> :)
[14:57] <didrocks> willcooke: it's fix released, maybe you don't import them? (it was just for tracking)
[14:57] <willcooke> ah
[14:57] <willcooke> oki,
[14:57] <willcooke> --force to the rescue
[14:57] <didrocks> ahah :)
[14:58] <willcooke> yay!
[14:58] <willcooke> https://trello.com/c/1wEWXt9p/190-bug1703601-use-ubuntu-x11-as-default-session
[14:58] <didrocks> merci beaucoup !
[14:58] <willcooke> bien sur
[17:15]  * willcooke found the kids easters eggs in the cupboard.  Now they are mine.
[17:15] <willcooke> nom
[17:20] <sarnold> is it your fault they didn't find them just because they were hidden on the top shelf way in the back? they had their chance
[17:22] <willcooke> I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about
[17:22] <willcooke> :D
[17:23] <willcooke> but you're right, out of sight out of mind.
[17:23] <jbicha> fossfreedom: Budgie doesn't actually need the 'mutter' binary package, does it? (it doesn't have that dependency on Debian)
[17:29] <fossfreedom> jbicha - hmm - no it shouldn't need it
[17:29] <fossfreedom> done a test on the live ISO - removed mutter logged out and logged back in successfully
[17:30] <jbicha> fossfreedom: does today's live iso boot to Budgie or to GNOME Shell?
[17:30] <fossfreedom> gnome-shell is still installed.
[17:31] <fossfreedom> I note - there is a mistake in our seeds
[17:32] <fossfreedom> we have mutter listed in the desktop seed
[17:32] <jbicha> see my comment on LP: #1703685
[17:34] <fossfreedom> interesting.
[17:35] <fossfreedom> ok - I still need to remove mutter from our desktop seed though
[17:35] <jbicha> we could try having metacity just not recommend gnome-session then
[17:38] <jbicha> Budgie looks like the only Flavor that uses metacity for ubiquity, MATE & Kylin use marco and Xubuntu uses xfwm4
[17:39] <sarnold> polo
[17:39] <jbicha> I wonder what would be needed for Budgie to handle the wm for ubiquity?
[17:43] <fossfreedom> the window manager is basically mutter as you know - budgie-wm is a "plugin" to mutter
[17:47] <jbicha> maybe you could look at what ubiquity does for gnome-shell and try doing the same for budgie?
[17:51] <Laney> ah man, my gdm3 ist falsch
[17:53] <Laney> or is it
[17:53] <Laney> root     22177  0.0  0.0   4496   764 pts/2    S+   18:49   0:00                      |                               \_ /bin/sh /tmp/lightdm.config.cQpVrt configure 1.22.0-0ubuntu2.1
[17:55] <Laney> guess lightdm's .config has to be neutered somehow
[17:56] <Laney> kenvandine: ^- if you have any ideas, otherwise I'll look tomorrow
[17:56] <fossfreedom> jbicha - in the control file for ubiquity  gnome-shell is the alternate - so not really sure what more I should be looking at
[17:56] <Laney> that's: start lxd zesty container, install ubuntu-desktop, make sure an AS user file exists, do-release-upgrade -d, see prompt apparently coming from lightdm
[17:57]  * Laney waves
[17:57] <kenvandine> Laney, no ideas
[17:57] <willcooke> night Laney
[17:57] <Laney> kenvandine: me neither right now, would have to think about it a bit ;-)
[17:57] <Laney> tara
[17:57] <jdstrand> kenvandine: hey, fyi, I just added snap decls for your uploads
[17:58] <jdstrand> kenvandine: curious, do this run with wayland if install with --devmode?
[17:58] <kenvandine> jdstrand, haven't tried with wayland
[17:58] <kenvandine> just strict
[17:58] <kenvandine> with X
[17:59] <jdstrand> kenvandine: I'm dangerously close to picking up the wayland interface work and found that the existing snaps in the store would not work with wayland if installed in devmode
[17:59] <jdstrand> kenvandine: is this something that the desktop team is looking to do? (getting these apps to work with wayland)
[17:59] <jdstrand> iirc, we want wayland by default for 18.04
[18:00] <fossfreedom> jbicha - I presume gnome-shell as a dependency for gnome-session is a recent change for artful - I don't see a recommendation or dependency in previous versions of gnome-session
[18:00] <jdstrand> not sure if I misheard of if that has changed
[18:00] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i haven't been in any discussions around the snaps with wayland
[18:00] <kenvandine> jdstrand, but clearly we want them to work
[18:00] <jbicha> fossfreedom: in bin/ubiquity-dm, it already apparently tries to run budgie-wm, so just try adding budgie to the alternate depends list
[18:04] <jbicha> jdstrand: I assume having snaps work in Wayland would be a high priority even if we don't use Wayland by default
[18:04] <jbicha> wayland by default is currently undecided
[18:06] <jdstrand> jbicha: I see, well, I'm just asking cause I may pick up the snappy interface work this week and may need some assistance with a working devmode snap
[18:11] <kenvandine> jdstrand, that's exciting
[18:12] <kenvandine> jdstrand, ping me if you need anything
[18:12] <kenvandine> if i can't help i can redirect as needed
[18:23] <willcooke> how can I find the build logs for: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-theme-freedesktop
[18:23] <willcooke> I want to know if it's using dh_link.
[18:23] <willcooke> Do all packages just do that by default, or do I need to call it in the rules?
[18:23] <sarnold> click on the 0.8-1 then i386 then buildlog
[18:27] <willcooke> ahah! Hiding in plain sight, thanks sarnold
[18:28] <sarnold> you're welcome :)
[18:30] <immu> why do you end up in such a situation when its few weeks from release date and you find out that stuff its not working willcooke
[18:31] <willcooke> immu, care to give an example?  could be a millon reasons
[18:32] <fossfreedom> jbicha - budgie-wm isn't a binary so I can't add as an alternate
[18:33] <fossfreedom> jbicha can metacity downgrade gnome-session to a suggests rather than a recommendation ?
[18:35] <jbicha> fossfreedom: add whatever package provides budgie-wm as an alternate depends
[18:40] <fossfreedom> jbicha - ok - budgie-wm is provided by "budgie-core" - how is looking after ubiquity pull requests at the moment ?
[18:40] <fossfreedom> who
[18:46] <jbicha> probably cypherm_ox
[19:05] <immu> willcooke, wayland to include it or not, seeing the huge number of ubuntu users so that effect would be quite risky and big
[19:06] <willcooke> indeed, and that's why we're giving it a lot of careful consideration now
[19:10] <fossfreedom> thanks jbicha for the info
[19:14] <fossfreedom> cyphermox, when you have an opportunity - please can you review my merge request for ubiquity on behalf of Ubuntu Budgie?  TIA https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntubudgie-dev/ubiquity/ubuntu-budgie-ubiquity/+merge/327323
[19:20] <jbicha> fossfreedom: as for metacity, I'm asking Debian whether it should recommend gnome-session-flashback or just drop that recommends completely
[19:41] <willcooke> jbicha, any clues as to what this missing icon might be called, or suggestions for how I can find out?  http://imgur.com/a/L6zpg
[19:43] <willcooke> I think it might be a in control center itself
[20:21] <willcooke> yeah, found it
[20:21]  * willcooke patches gnome-control-center
[20:30] <willcooke> I'm tryng to build gnome-control-center now
[20:30] <willcooke> but it's complaing about:
[20:30] <willcooke> No package 'libsystemd-login' found
[20:30] <willcooke> but it's installed, and the dev packages
[20:32] <seb128> willcooke, dpkg -l | grep libsystemd-login-dev
[20:32] <willcooke> nothing
[20:32] <willcooke> also, hi seb128!
[20:32] <seb128> so it's not installed it seems
[20:32] <seb128> hey :p
[20:34] <willcooke> oh, apt-file says my cache is empty - perhaps apt borked
[20:34] <willcooke> updating
[20:35] <seb128> that's on artful I guess?
[20:36] <willcooke> seb128, yeah
[20:36] <willcooke> gah, updating apt is running at 120kB a sec.  slowwwwww
[20:40] <willcooke> seb128, package name is libsystemd-login-dev  right?
[20:43] <seb128> it was in xenial, let me look at artful
[20:44] <seb128> can you pastebin the exact error?
[20:44] <seb128> that lib seems deprecated
[20:45] <seb128> it should try to look for it, weird
[20:46] <seb128> or do you build an old g-c-c?
[20:46] <jbicha> willcooke: how are you building it? with jhbuild? sbuild? regular ./configure & make ?
[20:47] <willcooke> jbicha, ./autogen.sh and then make I guess, not got that far yet.
[20:47] <willcooke> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25077567/
[20:48] <jbicha> sudo apt build-dep gnome-control-center
[20:48] <jbicha> try that then ^
[20:49] <willcooke> jbicha, yeah did that first.
[20:49] <willcooke> ahh
[20:50] <willcooke> maybe I branched the wrong thing
[20:50] <willcooke> I used this: https://code.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center
[20:53] <jbicha> I think LP has problems with git repos that use submodules (g-c-c uses submodules)
[20:59] <seb128> willcooke, https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnome-control-center/trunk
[20:59] <seb128> willcooke, most recent commit is from 2012-11-26
[20:59] <seb128> so yeah, not a good idea :p
[20:59] <seb128> willcooke, better take the source package from artful or git from upstream
[21:03] <willcooke> seb128, as in apt-get source?
[21:03] <seb128> willcooke, if you are on artful yes
[21:04] <seb128> or debcheckout gnome-control-center
[21:04] <seb128> the package is maintained in a bzr with the debian dir only
[21:04] <seb128> which is recombined with the tarball using bzr-builddeb
[21:04] <seb128> but that might be too much packaging for one day :p
[21:04] <seb128> +info
[21:04] <willcooke> and then how do I propose a branch?  Do I just make a diff and stick it on a bug?
[21:05] <seb128> basically
[21:05] <seb128> bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/ubuntu
[21:05] <seb128> cd ubuntu
[21:05] <seb128> bzr bd-do
[21:05] <seb128> do your changes but that needs to be in the debian dir
[21:05] <seb128> e.g if you change the upstream source then you need to create a patch using quilt
[21:06] <jbicha> willcooke: are you asking how to submit it to Ubuntu or to GNOME?
[21:06] <seb128> or just cp the diff in ubuntu/debian/patches from the checkout and edit the serie by hand
[21:06] <willcooke> jbicha, it'll be a hack, so prolly just ubuntu
[21:06] <willcooke> seb128, oki, I'll test my patch works first, and then call it a day, and try again tomorrow :) thanks!
[21:07] <seb128> yw
[21:10] <willcooke> gah.  After all that, the patch I was considering is exactly what they've already done in g-c-c, so actually it's just a case of more sym links :DDD
[21:10] <willcooke> *done in the new g-c-c
[21:10] <willcooke> so this can be fixed with links
[21:10] <seb128> nice
[21:11] <seb128> jbicha, btw not sure if you saw my comment about e-d-s/evo earlier, but I'm not feeling confortable upstreaming that change, it's an hack to workaround our tools not being smart enough, they shouldn't have to care about that
[21:14] <willcooke> seb128, http://imgur.com/a/L6zpg
[21:14] <willcooke> and also, instead of playing white noise you get a proper sample
[21:15] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-theme-freedesktop/+bug/1703946
[21:15] <jbicha> seb128: yes but upstream might not mind the change so maybe I'll propose it for you
[21:17] <seb128> jbicha, if you want feel free
[21:22] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[21:22] <willcooke> :)
[21:23] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi!
[21:23] <robert_ancell> willcooke, are you in a US timezone?
[21:23] <willcooke> that's a sure sign that it's time to log off
[21:23] <willcooke> robert_ancell, be fixing bugs
[21:23] <willcooke> got a bit carried away
[21:23] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[21:23]  * robert_ancell checks if all my bugs are now fixed by willcooke
[21:23] <willcooke> robert_ancell, they are not :)  Probably doing more harm than good tbh
[21:24] <willcooke> fix -> hack
[21:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey
[21:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, I was going to ask you if there's any more state of the art way to make desktop snaps. Trying to snap simple-scan for the nth time and get this interface editor into a snap
[21:25] <seb128> robert_ancell, check with kenvandine, he's pushing some example to the store this week
[21:25] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, thanks
[21:26] <seb128> robert_ancell, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/quadrapassel/snap/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml is one he pushed today
[21:27] <robert_ancell> cool, that's just what I need
[21:27] <seb128> those are getting as complex (if not more) than debian/ packaging
[21:27] <seb128> next we get snaphelper to simply the yaml!
[21:27] <robert_ancell> haha
[21:28] <robert_ancell> I guess this relies on build-packages exactly matching the gnome-platform snap to work?
[21:28] <seb128> yes
[21:28] <robert_ancell> which distro do you build in then?
[21:28] <seb128> which means building on xenial+backport ppa
[21:28] <robert_ancell> aha
[21:29] <seb128> which launchpad let you set up
[21:29] <seb128> so if you auto build in launchpad it's easy
[21:29] <robert_ancell> "easy"
[21:29] <seb128> it's a combo to pick the ppa
[21:29] <seb128> not hard
[21:30] <seb128> but yeah, we need to do better there
[21:30] <seb128> seems the recommended way from the snapcraft team is to tar the prime of the platform snap after build
[21:30] <seb128> and publish that as file somewhere
[21:30] <seb128> and use that as a part to build snaps then
[21:33] <robert_ancell> So no futher thoughts on -dev snaps then
[21:34] <seb128> who feels like arguing about that with the snappy team? ;-)
[21:35] <seb128> that's probably a discussion we should have again at some point
[21:35] <seb128> unsure that's one to have now though
[21:35] <seb128> we might have other items we want to push forward before that
[21:36] <robert_ancell> yeah, it's lower priority for sure
[21:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'm having trouble getting SRUs pushed forward, any advise who to annoy for that?
[21:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, in your tz try RAOF?
[21:37] <seb128> or bdmurray
[21:38] <seb128> or maybe infinity would work
[21:38] <robert_ancell> seb128, who manages the unapproved queue?
[21:38] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+members#active
[21:39]  * robert_ancell thinks the correct terminology is probably to push SRUs _backwards_
[21:39] <robert_ancell> Because I think that's stopping them showing up on the SRU dashboard
[21:40] <seb128> btw that polkit locale issue is weird
[21:40] <seb128> why does it pick a random lang?
[21:40] <seb128> just curious how it ends up doing that
[21:41] <robert_ancell> seb128, the .policy file doesn't have a message field without a xml:lang set on it
[21:41] <robert_ancell> So it just seems to use the last / first one
[21:41] <seb128> oh ok
[21:41] <seb128> you should perhaps SRU that fix alone
[21:41] <robert_ancell> It is surely the same amount of work?
[21:41] <seb128> if the snapd-glib updates are too complex to find a SRU team member to review htem
[21:41] <seb128> well ^
[21:41] <robert_ancell> And there's issues that flexiondotorg found with snapd-glib that are fixed in newer versions
[21:42] <seb128> I'm not saying that there is no value at trying to SRU the update
[21:42] <seb128> just that it might be more difficult to find a reviewer and take time
[21:42] <seb128> but yeah, if you can nag somebody to let that in even better
[21:43] <jbicha> I'm annoyed that gnome-software/zesty has yet to clear phased-updates so LP: #1573408 still affects people :(
[21:44] <seb128> what is blocking it?
[21:45] <jbicha> I think right now, it's another unapproved SRU to fix LP: #1702122
[21:45] <robert_ancell> Is there a phased updates page somewhere?
[21:45] <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[21:45] <robert_ancell> Yeah, I fixed that bug, also stuck in unapproved queue
[21:45] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ta
[21:48] <sarnold> who gets alerted when the phaser is set to 0% ?
[21:49] <robert_ancell> sarnold, I get an email as the uploader
[21:49] <jbicha> the uploader gets a "Possible Regression" email
[21:50] <sarnold> well, that's something. some of those have been stuck at 0% for a loooong time ;/
[21:59] <willcooke> right, that really is it for tonight
[21:59] <willcooke> ta ta


[01:45] <_Zexanima_> Hello o/
[01:46] <escott> yes
[12:00] <Culiforge> can I get some help with nfs here or should I go to #linux-nfs?
[12:10] <escott> #ubuntu usually has a bit more traffic
[12:28] <Culiforge> escott: righto, thanks
[15:53] <imaubuntunoob> hello guys. i have a problem login in.. the password is correct, but i can't login. login manager is always presented to me everytime i keyed in the correct password. how do i fix this?
[15:54] <escott> imaubuntunoob, if you cant get the password you can boot the recovery option and run "passwd username" to reset it. when grub comes up at boot hit shift and select the recovery option
[15:55] <imaubuntunoob> the password is correct
[15:56] <imaubuntunoob> i can do root stuffs after key in the password  (i can login as a guest)
[15:57] <escott> imaubuntunoob, are you sure its not gnome-keyring asking for your keyring password when you login?
[15:57] <escott> also how can guest use sudo?
[15:58] <imaubuntunoob> i don't know. i just can.
[15:58] <imaubuntunoob> i can do update without problem after login into a guest account
[15:59] <escott> imaubuntunoob, so you login as guest and type sudo echo success -- put in whose password -- and it prints "success"?!?!?!
[15:59] <escott> imaubuntunoob, ubdate-manager working might be normal as thats handled by policykitd
[15:59] <imaubuntunoob> no. i go to "software up to date" to check for update. and then i asked for my password. and i can update without problem
[16:00] <escott> alright so what error message does the login manager give you
[16:01] <imaubuntunoob> no error. i can hear a error sound. but then no error message is given.. so i don't know what's the problem
[16:01] <imaubuntunoob> after googling for this past 2 weeks, some people said the problem is caused by lightdm or gdm, whatever it is.
[16:03] <escott> imaubuntunoob, i suspect its not an error sound. i think its verifying the password, starting the session, and then for some reason the session immediately crashes and dumps you back to a login
[16:04] <imaubuntunoob> i tried removing lightdm (or gdm, idk which one) and this problem persists. for two whole weeks. i have no choice but to use my win7
[16:06] <imaubuntunoob> so how do i fix this?
[16:06] <imaubuntunoob> i know this is doable.
[16:07] <imaubuntunoob> but the question is how. i don't have any expertise in linux/ubuntu. i always google for things that i don't know.
[16:08] <escott> imaubuntunoob, there are files in .config that control your unity settings. in particular things like ccsm settings. if those are out of whack then your gui might crash as soon as it starts. ctrl-alt-f1 login to a tty and then mv .config .config.bak
[16:09] <imaubuntunoob> what's tty?
[16:14] <escott> imaubuntunoob, what you see when you ctrl-alt-f1
[16:14] <escott> imaubuntunoob, there might also be some directories like .compiz but i dont use unity so i dont know as well
[21:30] <wij> hi, since installing 12.04 I do not get any sound in Gnome Subtitle Editor
[21:31] <wij> I already checked if gstreamer was installed, and it was
[21:31] <wij> so any help would be appreciated since editing subtitles without sound is a bit difficult :-)
[21:32] <geirha> wij: Just read lips
[21:32] <geirha> ;P
[21:33] <wij> i tried ;-)
[21:34] <geirha> Open the sound settings, check the output tab, try all outputs if there are more than one, and unmute them.
[21:34] <geirha> Check the applications tab, there should be an entry for the subtitle program there (when it's running)
[21:37] <wij> i have 3 outputs: speakers, Headphones and HDMI/displayport
[21:37] <wij> first two tested just fine
[21:37] <wij> 3rd did not
[21:37] <geirha> what's connected via hdmi?
[21:37] <wij> and even with gnome subs running it does not show in the applications tab of sound settings
[21:38] <wij> via HDMI? nothing I guess
[21:38] <geirha> oh. the hdmi only shows up if I connect something via the hdmi port here, but nevermind, sound's working, but gnome subs apparently does not register with pulseaudio
[21:40] <geirha> I'm installing it. I'll see if I can reproduce
[21:40] <wij> great!
[21:42] <geirha> Hm. What do I do to test it? ^^
[21:42] <wij> well i was trying to sync subs for 'the wedding planner' :-)
[21:43] <geirha> Figured it out. Clicked the new button, then Video -> open
[21:44] <geirha> as soon as it loaded the video, gnome subtitles appeared in the sound setting applications tab, and I got sound
[21:44] <wij> sounds good ;-)
[21:44] <wij> so, something wrong with my pulseaudio installation?
[21:45] <geirha> let's try this:  close gnome subtitles, open a terminal and run  «pkill pulseaudio», wait for pulseaduio to restart (look at the sound icon at the top panel), start gnome subtitles
[21:46] <geirha> For me at least, pulseaudio sometimes "chokes" and doesn't work quite; restarting it usually gets things working again.
[21:46] <wij> no change ((
[21:48] <wij> vlc media player shows up in pulseaudio app tab
[21:48] <geirha> Hm. Could it be you have some old gnome subtitle settings? they might be messing up something
[21:49] <geirha> i.e. did you keep an old homedir when you installed 12.04?
[21:49] <wij> how can i check that
[21:49] <geirha> Switch to the guest user and see if it gives you sound there
[21:50] <geirha> the guest user will have zero initial config
[21:50] <geirha> well you didn't have to log out ...
[21:52] <wij> djeez, i logged out (( boy oh boy, give me a sec here
[21:53] <wij> i did a complete reformat and reinstall going to 12/04
[21:53] <wij> so should be pretty clean
[21:53] <geirha> Hm. Odd.
[21:54] <geirha> Open a terminal and run gnome-subtitles from there. It might output some error/warning messages there
[21:55] <wij> did that, and it's running, but no messages in the terminal
[21:56] <geirha> not even when you load and start a video?
[21:57] <wij> aha
[21:57] <wij> can i copy paste in this thing?
[21:57] <geirha> use a pastebin
[21:57] <geirha> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:57] <wij> a what?
[21:58] <wij> ah
[21:59] <wij> how does that work actually? i need an account for that?
[21:59] <geirha> oh, forgot about that, use http://pastebin.com instead then
[22:01] <wij> eum, i did, and now i have text in numbered lines... now what?
[22:01] <geirha> paste the url
[22:02] <geirha> you should have pastebin.com/<some random letters and numbers>
[22:02] <wij> right
[22:02] <wij> http://pastebin.com/3gpC27ia
[22:03] <geirha> Aha, it lacks a codec for ac3
[22:03] <wij> can i install that via synaptec
[22:04] <geirha> Why does everyone use synaptic?
[22:04] <geirha> but yes, you can install it from synaptic too; just not sure which package it is... yet
[22:05] <wij> i have the libavcodec53 installed
[22:05] <wij> and that should support ac3
[22:06] <geirha> Open the software center and search for «gstreamer ffmpeg»
[22:06] <geirha> Ah, found the package name,  gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[22:06] <geirha> according to its description, it has ac3 codec
[22:07] <wij> that's installed too, i already reinstalled i, to no avail
[22:08] <geirha> Hm. Install all the gstreamer0.10-plugins-* packages
[22:08] <geirha> the ugly one also claims it has AC-3
[22:09] <wij> is it important if i use software center or synaptic?
[22:09] <geirha> I don't get why there has to be so absurdly many audio and video codecs
[22:10] <geirha> No, they can both be used to install any package
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> geirha, you are going about it in a backwards way is why
[22:11] <geirha> I am?
[22:12] <wij> ok thats done
[22:12] <wij> no lets try again
[22:12] <wilee-nilee> the codecs you need are in the retricted-extras   a vlc install has most and a couple of medibuntu for dvd's
[22:13] <wilee-nilee> unless you are trying to run something out of any regualr use
[22:13] <wij> well, i dont know what did it, but it works now :-)
[22:13] <geirha> Yeah, that's true, ubuntu-restricted-extras would probably have installed them too.
[22:13] <wilee-nilee> restricted-extras sorry
[22:13] <wij> so I'm happy
[22:14] <wij> no more message about 'don't know how to handle ac3'
[22:14] <wij> whats ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:15] <geirha> gnome-subtitles should've poped up a dialog box saying what codec you were missing
[22:15] <geirha> might be worth a bug report
[22:15] <wilee-nilee> wij, a codec pack and ms fonts and flash
[22:15] <geirha> wij: ubuntu-restricted-extras installs a bunch of non-free packages that are commonly used
[22:16] <wij> aha, is that worth installing anyway?
[22:16] <geirha> by non-free, I mean restricted license, not that it costs money
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> wij, that is what you should of started with
[22:16] <wij> oops
[22:16] <geirha> yes, I always install it
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> easy mistake though. :)
[22:17] <wij> if i install it now, does it work together with what i just installed?
[22:17] <wij> or do i need to uninstall the gstream packages first
[22:17] <geirha> yes, the package itself doesn't contain anything to note; it just depends on a bunch of packages
[22:18] <geirha> so when you install it, all the packages it depends on will be isntalled too; the ones that aren't already installed
[22:18] <wij> ok
[22:18] <wij> thanks a lot geirha ans wilee-nilee!!
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> np
[22:19] <geirha> :)
[22:19] <wij> later! bye
[22:19]  * geirha goes back to hacking into banks
[22:20] <geirha> (in a game)
[22:34] <tats> hi, i have a question about configuring lvm on ubuntu
[22:34] <tats> i'm following this tutorial: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/10/how-to-install-ubuntu-11-04-on-an-encrypted-lvm-file-system
[22:34] <tats> what i don't understand is when it comes to creating the logical volumes on my encrypted partition
[22:35] <tats> the tutorial suggests to allocate 5G for /, 2G for swap and 10G for home... but that makes up for only 17G
[22:35] <tats> my HD has 80G, so what will happen with the 63G left? how can I access them?
[22:36] <geirha> You can create another partition with it, or just give it all to /home
[22:37] <tats> geirha: good, thanks!
[22:38] <geirha> 5G seems a bit small for / though
[22:38] <geirha> I'd go with at least 10G
[22:39] <geirha> 5G Will suffice for installing Ubuntu, but if you install alot of packages, you'll soon fill it up
[22:43] <tats> geirha: thanks
[23:14] <XX> does anyone know how i can access files put on my network ?
[23:16] <sandyd> XX: are you using windows 7 homegroups?
[23:16] <XX> what does it mean
[23:16] <XX> :x
[23:16] <sandyd> XX: what OS are you sharing from
[23:17] <XX> well my roomate has windows 7
[23:17] <XX> ive got ubuntu
[23:18] <sandyd> Check if hes sharing using homegroups. If he is, you won't be able to access any shared files on his computer.
[23:18] <geirha> windows 7 introduced a new proprietary protocol?
[23:18] <XX> how can i check if he is using homegorups
[23:18] <sandyd> Its been here for a while
[23:19] <sandyd> lemme check
[23:19] <XX> and how can i remedy this situation
[23:19] <sandyd> Right click on his network conenctions thingy and go to "Open network and sharing center"
[23:19] <sandyd> On the left side, it should have a link to homegroups
[23:20] <sandyd> It should tell you whether the computer is in a homegroup or not.
[23:26] <XX> will do
[23:27] <XX> yes it says
[23:27] <XX> Homegroup: joined
[23:28] <sandyd> Then sharing wont't work.
[23:28] <sandyd> How to disable it, I have no idea.
[23:28] <sandyd> I was already using Ubuntu before Windows 7 came out, so...
[23:28] <XX> :c
[23:28] <XX> your help was very much appreciated though :D
[23:29] <XX> thanks at least i know whats wrong
[23:29] <pointydrip> hello all, I am experiencing a bug in nautilus where none of the nautilus buttons work with mouse input. Keyboard input works and if I mess around enough I am able to get normal mouse input temporarily...no more than a few seconds though...for the most part I cannot use my mouse. I have gone through hardware troubleshooting definitely not the hardware. Unfortunately this is my only computer and navigating the forums is
[23:29] <sandyd> XX: Wait.
[23:29] <sandyd> XX: i have it.
[23:29] <XX> mkay :D
[23:29] <XX> awesome!
[23:29] <sandyd> XX: first, disconenct from the homegroup.
[23:29] <XX> his pc or mine?
[23:29] <sandyd> XX: your pc is running Ubuntu. Doesn't have homegroups
[23:29] <XX> oh
[23:30] <XX> how do i dc from homegroup
[23:30] <XX> and will this affect my windows partition sharing?
[23:30] <sandyd> That, I have no idea. I only figured out how to work it after disabling homegroups.
[23:30] <sandyd> You can reshare it.
[23:30] <XX> oh okay continue then :p
[23:30] <sandyd> If you want to share anything on windows 7 (after disabling homegroups), right click on the folder
[23:31] <sandyd> Select properties
[23:31] <sandyd> Go to sharing
[23:31] <sandyd> Then, go to advanced sharing, and click "share this folder"
[23:31] <XX> how do i get it from ubuntu ? :x
[23:31] <geirha> pointydrip: So have you tried the mouse with another computer or OS?
[23:31] <sandyd> Click permissions, and set the ones that you want. Their self explanatory, so i'm not going to bother
[23:32] <sandyd> Click ok, save, yadayadayada.
[23:32] <pointydrip> geirha: ya it works fine...hardware is not the issue
[23:32] <sandyd> Right click on My Computer
[23:32] <geirha> pointydrip: ok, so it works fine in other programs, just not nautilus?
[23:32] <sandyd> Select properties -> Advanced System settings
[23:33] <sandyd> Type in some kind of computer description and click change
[23:33] <sandyd> Type in a computer name, and change the workgroup to something more reasonable than WORKGROUP
[23:33] <sandyd> click OK, OK, and restart when it asks you to.
[23:33] <geirha> pointydrip: I'd look at ~/.xsession-errors  nautilus might be logging some error messages there
[23:33] <sandyd> Now, you can access the shares from ubuntu via the network folder
[23:33] <pointydrip> geihra: no sorry i guess it's gnome as well (correct me if I'm wrong) the nav bars on top and bottom also have similar behavior
[23:34] <geirha> top and bottom? So you're using 10.04?
[23:34] <pointydrip> ya
[23:35] <XX> omg  thank you sandyd
[23:35] <XX> A LOT
[23:35] <geirha> pointydrip: Is it a laptop with a touchpad?
[23:35] <pointydrip> geirha: no desktop usb mouse/keyboard
[23:35] <sandyd> XX: Your Welcome. If it doesn't work, and you just want to revert, just go back to the homegroups screen:P
[23:35] <sandyd> and enable it again.
[23:36] <geirha> pointydrip: Hm. Curious.
[23:37] <geirha> pointydrip: I'd try to rule out user settings first. If you switch to the guest user, or create a new user and switch to that user, does the mouse work there?
[23:39] <XX> lol will do sandyd ^_^
[23:40] <pointydrip> geirha: k i'll try...actually how to I access IRC from the terminal...it would make getting back to this room alot easier...
[23:42] <geirha> pointydrip: Install the irssi package, then in a terminal, run:   screen irssi
[23:42] <geirha> then /connect ubuntu
[23:42] <pointydrip> geirha: k thx..brb
[23:56] <pointydrip> geirha: I have not managed to get into another profile...but I logged back in in safe mode


[06:56] <joelesko> chrisccoulson: I know you must be super busy, but have you had a chance to look at the updates for the seamonkey package?
[06:57] <joelesko> I have had a number of people try it are using it. No issues so far.
[07:13] <chrisccoulson> hi joelesko, i've not had a chance just yet. i'll try and look at it today
[07:13] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[07:14] <joelesko> you're welcome. I apperciated the feedback. I also think it made the package simpler.
[16:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: beta 6 tagged, fixes some crashers, still don't know if it's worth pulling in for beta 2, I haven't been keeping an eye on our crashes upstream (I've been getting a bunch on trunk, but not on beta)
[17:46] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[18:07] <ejat> evening
[18:09] <FernandoMiguel> chromium-browser:
[18:09] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: 15.0.865.0~r98568-0ubuntu1~ucd~dev1
[18:09] <FernandoMiguel> google-chrome-unstable:
[18:09] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: 15.0.874.15-r101261
[18:09] <FernandoMiguel> are we gonna bump PPA?
[18:34] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: yeah, no one has had time to get it up and running yet
[18:34] <micahg> hopefully next week
[18:35] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: so is chromium basically unsupported as of this moment ?
[18:35] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: well, no one is updating the PPAs ATM, my first concern is stable releases which will happen early next week
[18:36] <micahg> I also hope to get oneiric up to M14 over the weekend
[18:56] <chrisccoulson> gah, will people stop reporting bugs against my menubar extension saying that they can't right click in the menus
[18:56] <chrisccoulson> i'm sick of saying "UNITY DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT!!", just like, no other application supports it
[18:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did you see my note about firefox above?
[18:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah. i'm not doing anything about it on a friday evening anyway, especially as i was up late last night to debug a lightdm issue
[18:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, no problem, wasn't implying that you should :), just was wondering if you had any idea about our crash stats with the current beta in oneiric (no need to research now either)
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> well, most of the crashes i was causing seem to have disappeared now. people are only reporting crashes frequently from natty now ;)
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> chrisccoulson: well... want a screenshot of my desktop ?
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> I have a few applets *lost* there
[19:00] <FernandoMiguel> I can't move them, I can't remove them or add new ones
[19:00] <FernandoMiguel> LOL
[19:00] <FernandoMiguel> the right click used to allow control over that
[19:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's good news then, I think sticking with the current beta in oneiric would be fine for beta 2 then IMHO
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> FernandoMiguel, and the old panel totally sucked because it had that sort of flexibility. every time i connected my monitor with the old panel, i had to spend 5 minutes moving all my applets around again, because the panel messed up the ordering when it resized
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> eheh
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> i definitely don't miss that now ;)
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> well. how can I fix mine ?
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> how can I add stuff?
[19:03] <FernandoMiguel> remove stuff?
[19:03] <FernandoMiguel> lot's of wasted space here
[19:03] <FernandoMiguel> where I used to have *very useful* applets
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> what i most want right now is a dash that doesn't make me want to vomit when i look at it ;)
[19:08] <FernandoMiguel> I want a better WM
[19:08] <FernandoMiguel> a compiz that doesn't crash or memleaks
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:08] <FernandoMiguel> a faster shutdown
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> that's why i'm using metacity + unity-2d
[19:08] <FernandoMiguel> I boot faster then I halt
[19:08] <FernandoMiguel> I'm on gnome fallback
[19:08] <FernandoMiguel> with no 3D
[19:08] <FernandoMiguel> I miss composite :(
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> plus, unity-2d doesn't have blurry icons with ghosting in the dash
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> metacity does basic compositing, so i don't really feel like i'm missing out
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> and visually, i prefer unity-2d
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> it looks nicer
[19:09] <FernandoMiguel> I like my Gnome DO with transparency
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> and the dash scrolls much smoother
[19:38] <micahg> wow, somehow according to about:memory, bug 847224  is using 1.5GB of RAM
[19:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 847224 in qt4-x11 "qt4-x11 ftbfs on armel (timeout building the docs)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/847224
[19:40] <chrisccoulson> launchpad bug ;)
[19:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should I file one?
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> not sure. i guess it would be difficult to track down, but i always find launchpad is amongst the highest memory consumer here
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> always above twitter and gmail too
[19:48] <FernandoMiguel> gmail
[19:48] <FernandoMiguel> omg gmail
[19:48] <FernandoMiguel> worse than plus
[19:51] <micahg> yeah, the new about:memory helps narrow down the issue quite a bit
[19:52] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: it's the javascript, same with LP, that's how they get it to be responsive and featureful, it's just the JS engines haven't caught up yet in efficiency
[19:52] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[20:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if you get a chance, can you give me access to the chromium PPA team?


[00:28] <dzho> I'm sitting here with Precise on a USB keychain and its nagging me to install flash
[00:28] <dzho> what the hell, I though youtube was all HTML5 up in that
[00:28] <dzho> thought
[13:39] <thafreak> So I'm on canonical's "business" radar...
[13:39] <thafreak> I think cause I downloaded their business desktop respin
[13:40] <thafreak> So they keep emailing me about how to "perform a desktop migration"
[13:40] <thafreak> You think...migration, wow, so they're going to help me move everyone's desktop to linux cool
[13:41] <thafreak> then you look, and the second bullet point is..."how to choose which users to migrate"
[13:41] <thafreak> fail
[13:42] <thafreak> I want to migrate my wife...who uses quickbooks at work...I want to know how to do that
[13:43] <canthus13> "Could you unplug your cable modem for me please?"
[13:43]  * canthus13 facepalms.
[13:44] <canthus13> thafreak: You set her up with a business class ticket to mexico for the winter.
[21:40] <jacob> hey all, i won't be at the meeting tonight. still playing catch-up with work and class after the hurricane adventure
[21:41] <Cheri703> well gosh jacob, how dare you not let ubuntu-ohio be your top life priority?!
[21:41] <Cheri703> (kidding of course)
[21:41] <Cheri703> definitely understandable
[21:41] <jacob> :P
[21:42] <jacob> the next time i'm heading to the east coast and there's a hurricane about, someone stop me
[21:42] <Cheri703> heh, yeah, I know a lot of people that got stranded
[21:43] <jacob> (or at least remind me not to fly with us airways)
[21:45] <dzho> us air has done ok by us
[21:46] <dzho> united is at the top of my shit list amongst the major carriers
[21:46] <Cheri703> I flew american airlines for my UDS trip in may 2011, since then every few weeks I get a credit card offer, every few months a "omg use your miiiiiles!" mailer.
[21:46] <dzho> jacob: where were you heading that your travel got messed up
[21:46] <Cheri703> I didn't even pay for the ticket!
[21:48] <jacob> dzho: boston. made it there fine on sunday, flights out mon/tues/wed all got canceled. other airlines were still up
[21:48] <jacob> (though none were up understandably monday night)
[22:24] <gilbert> what up guys, i'm putting together an agenda for th meeting.  let me know if you want anything in particular included
[22:26] <gilbert> i'll be afk and back in about an hour
[23:57]  * skellat waits on the start of the first meeting since June 2011
[23:59] <gilbert> hey guys, i'm back
[23:59] <dniMretsaM> there really hasn't been a meeting in that long?
[23:59] <Cheri703> Meeting tiiiime!
[23:59] <Cheri703> it's been a while
[23:59] <gilbert> who else is around?  its about 2 minutes till 8


[02:39] <oerheks> 🤪
[04:40] <oerheks> 🤪
[06:09] <akik> why is "lxc image list images:" empty on ubuntu 22.04?
[06:18] <akik> oh well https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/important-notice-for-lxd-users-image-server/18479
[06:19] <akik> so it's because the canonical lxd takeover
[06:22] <blogten> does anyone have an opinion of the reliability of mdadm for raid5/6 with a write log device?
[11:05] <Jungler78> Hello
[11:06] <danza> o/
[11:06] <little> hi
[11:07] <Jungler78> what is this irc normally used for?
[13:25] <gnuser> Hi. I've a litle problem with the shortcuts. When I pulse crtl+alt+ins open terminnology but ever in the first virtual desktop. Can you help me?
[13:26] <gnuser> I've use enlightenment
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:47] <applepear> hello
[16:03] <yziquel> I need to install a package without running its scripts. Specifically, I need to install the plocate package, to get the updatedb executable, but it insists on running the updatedb scripts. which creates a sevee problem on my VM. How do I install a package without running its postinst scripts ?
[16:05] <oerheks> unpack it, and copy them manually? you might run into other issues, why would it create severe problems?
[16:13] <yziquel> oerheks installing plocate starts updatedb. i'm on VM with virtiofs. the updatedb script just takes FOREVER (now that it does not blow up the number of file descriptors on the host). I've been on that on and off for a month. I just need to install updatebd without running it. and then try to run it in a way I can debug. As of today, either I
[16:13] <yziquel> install updatedb, it runs, and it screws up my system. Either I don't install it and... i can't debug it.
[16:13] <yziquel> so i need a way to stop the post-install script from running.
[16:22] <leftyfb> yziquel: make an alias for "updatedb" that does nothing
[16:26] <yziquel> leftyfb alias ? unclear.
[16:27] <leftyfb> export alias updatedb='/bin/true'
[16:34] <yziquel> leftyfb tried it. doesn't work. post-inst script still runs and updatebd is launched.
[16:35] <cmk> whats up
[16:35] <leftyfb> yziquel: you might have to set the alias as root
[16:36] <yziquel> leftyfb unclear what that means to me. I speak only french and english.
[17:40] <oerheks> i guess the 1st time plocate scans your whole system, that can take a while, just once.
[17:52] <Guest8677> hallo alle zusammen
[17:52] <oerheks> :-)
[17:54] <]BaTMaN[> hello le salon
[17:55] <daniel> was macht ihr so grade ?
[17:55] <oerheks> i bet the name daniel is registered already.
[17:55] <oerheks> read the topic?
[17:55] <oerheks> ubuntu support
[18:46] <webchat46> Hey all. I need help. I am not very tech savy. Is it possible to run Ubuntu over windows op sys? I was following tutorials and lost my SU commands and not am stuck. I called HP (new laptop) and windows support and they all say Linux is not supported
[18:48] <rbox> what does "lost my su commands" mean
[18:48] <webchat46> superuser commands
[18:48] <rbox> yes... still says nothing
[18:48] <oerheks> your 1st account has sudo rights .. forgot password?
[18:49] <oerheks> or tell us what tutorials you followed?
[18:49] <webchat46> I was downloading Unbuntu and gnome GUI and the online instructions had me doing SU commands like $ sudo apt update
[18:50] <webchat46> I have been unable to get back into the cmd screen to install, Im not that savy
[18:50] <ioria> webchat46, now you're sounding a chatbot
[18:50] <webchat46> not bothead
[18:50] <kostkon> !password | webchat46
[18:52] <webchat46> I have my pwsrd, thats not my issue.
[18:52] <rbox> you still havne't told us what the issue is
[18:53] <oerheks> can you clarify 'lost my SU commands' ?
[18:53] <webchat46> I am stuck trying to get back cmd screen to enter commands to finish ubuntu downloads
[18:53] <kostkon> webchat46, become a bit more articulate if that is possible
[18:53] <webchat46> NM I will keep search for a dummies guide lol I am not that tech savy
[18:54] <rbox> yes, you've mentioend that a few times
[18:54] <akik> webchat46: so you forgot your password or what?
[18:54] <oerheks> ctrl alt t opens terminal again, but if you closed it, the command used has stopped.
[18:54] <kostkon> well so long
[18:54] <oerheks> oh
[19:35] <anadon> I'm looking to add the packages for ROCm 6  (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rocm-compilersupport) to my 23.10 install ahread of the 24.04 release.  I do not see information to add repository information so those packages will be picked up.  How should I be adding them?
[19:40] <rbox> thats because those packages are already part of the regular ubuntu repos
[19:40] <rbox> nothing to add
[19:45] <anadon> The 5.3 ones are in 23.10.  I want to install PyTorch which requires 5.7+.
[19:45] <rbox> well ther eis 5.2 and 6.0
[19:45] <rbox> you could manually download the .deb files
[19:45] <rbox> and hope they dont break eveythitng
[19:45] <rbox> lol
[19:46] <anadon> I was hoping for not that...
[19:46] <anadon> Ick.
[19:47] <oerheks> you noticed that 24.04 LTS gives v6 ?
[19:47] <rbox> well you could add the repo with the 6
[19:47] <rbox> but thats just gonna break everyhting
[19:47] <rbox> lol
[19:47] <oerheks> yeah, probably
[19:47] <rbox> not probably
[19:47] <rbox> it will
[19:48] <oerheks> one could test 24.04 already..
[19:58] <anadon> How stable is it even, yet?
[19:59] <rbox> well its already march 9th and april is next month...
[20:00] <rbox> i'd be pretty worried if it was still crashy and buggy
[20:06] <anadon> But this is my primary system.  Looks like for the net two months, I'll be pinned to using PyTorch's CPU implementation.
[20:06] <rbox> you could copmile it yosuelf
[20:06] <rbox> lol
[20:06] <anadon> boi
[20:06] <anadon> ain't nobody got the time for dat
[20:49] <houseparty> Can someone advise on a good strategy to handle packages which are frequently uninstalled by apt. I am not doing anything like dpkg -r or apt remove ... I also run an apt-mark manual script through a cronjob. Nonetheless, certain packages get remove periodically then I have to rerun an install script. In particular, I'm fighting with Discord. It is
[20:49] <houseparty> not playing fair.
[20:56] <bprompt> hmmm
[20:56] <bprompt> houseparty: that's kinda odd, apt removing stuff?
[21:02] <houseparty> yeah, I had to avoid the hostility in #linux
[21:02] <houseparty> Rage fits... Yeah, it's odd... apt-mark manual should fix it but it's not...
[21:04] <bprompt> houseparty: well, seems to be an assumption you may be making, for something else, no?   I mean, I haven't had that happenning with Apt
[21:04] <houseparty> It might be Discord doing it... Discord won't launch on Jammy - at least on this host - unless I update it. Discord tells me to download the .deb binary, so I do... Or actually, I cancel it and run a script that does the same thing the binary would do if I were to install it manually
[21:04] <houseparty> OK
[21:06] <bprompt> houseparty: I don't use Discord myself, hmmm so hmm, sounds like a discord issue though, not an Apt one, did you install it using "snap" or as a .deb install?
[21:07] <houseparty> So, I don't know if it will work... maybe I can do this: https://bpa.st/QCEQ
[21:07] <ravage> the discord snap works fine 🙂
[21:07] <houseparty> It's the deb... Oh, I can try the Snap... I didn't know there is one. I think Discord says to use the deb so that's probably why I started doing it but you're right thinking that. The snap is the preferred method on Ubuntu.
[21:08] <bprompt> houseparty: try removing fully the .deb version first, no need for any remainders
[21:08] <ravage> it is usually better than a PPA. and always better than installing single deb files you have to update manually
[21:08] <houseparty> I use this script ... it works perfectly except for I have to run it about once a month:
[21:08] <houseparty> https://bpa.st/CRIQ. I wrote that.
[21:09] <houseparty> The trap cleanup function is cool because it removes unnecessary folders and it keeps the program directory tidy that way.
[21:11] <houseparty> Maybe I tried the snap at some point and it broke so I quit using it. But that is my fault ... I tinker a lot and I probably broke it, hehe. Anyway, thank you. I appreciate your help.
[21:15] <houseparty> Yeah, I confirmed it. And sorry for the noise... Discord once you to use the Deb. And I have no idea why. I am actually curious. I'm going to contact one of their devs as I'm sure they have a reason. My guess is that if you use the deb it will work on all Debian based distros as the snap won't work when or if snap is not installed.
[21:15] <houseparty> *wants
[21:17] <jeremy31> For Discord you might be better of using the browser version
[21:18] <houseparty> Yeah, I agree jeremy31. Thanks for saying that. I have a friend who does that. I think for most popular apps, that's how he rolls. I guess I just run so many tabs that I like the apps. I am glad you said that ... If the snap doesn't do what I want, I think that will be the next step.
[21:20] <houseparty> Do you guys get annoyed when the app developers don't list the snap info in the download sections of their websites?
[21:52] <bprompt> houseparty: may just be an oversight, or a webpage not lately updated
[21:52] <jeremy31> That discord deb seems to update about twice a week, then it updates again when you run the program
[22:39] <baggy> when i imstall ubuntu from store it says WELCOME TO UBUNTU... Preparing Ubuntu.. how lond should i wait
[22:40] <baggy> is it down
[22:40] <baggy> or it my end
[22:42] <oerheks> install ubuntu from store?
[22:42] <leftyfb> !wsl | baggy
[23:02] <baggy> how long does prep take
[23:02] <baggy> over an hour?
[23:03] <baggy> fist time doing this
[23:06] <ravage> no it should not take that long
[23:07] <ravage> but we cant really help much with that here. the whole setup process is managed by windows
[23:07] <baggy> thanks
[23:08] <baggy> ill load
[23:08] <bprompt> baggy: go make dinner, and come back :)
[23:28] <src> any1 familiar w/ sw arrays on linux, more particularly mdadm? I have two nvme drives in my machine, one of which contains my ubuntu install (luks + encryption), can I use the second nvme as a mirrored drive (raid 1) via mdadm?
[23:29] <rbox> src: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=linux+convert+non+raid+to+raid+1
[23:29] <src> I'm unsure whether it's a problem that I want to a) mirror the very drive that is my root drive and contains my install and b) mirror a drive which is encrypted (and want my mirrored drive to obviously be as well)
[23:33] <ravage> the combination of RAID and encryption is not supported by the installer
[23:33] <ravage> learned that the hard way with my 24.04 setup 🙂
[23:33] <houseparty> You're recommending a type 1 hypervisor for Windows on a Linux channel - in response to WSL? And don't get me wrong, I love WSL ...
[23:33] <ravage> who is "you" ?
[23:35] <bprompt> "you" is not the "other" =)
[23:35] <ravage> src: i ended up manually setting up my system with debootstrap. i now have 24.04 with an encrypted software RAID 1. it seems to be the only way to do that. i got a little further with the server installer. but even that did not really want to cooperate all the way through
[23:36] <bprompt> houseparty: the question pertained to installing Linux on a windows10 machine through the MS store, thus the need for the hypervisor
[23:37] <src> ravage: ty for the input, damn I hoped it'd be more straight forward than that... :/
[23:37] <bprompt> 24.04?   you're early by a month =)
[23:37] <houseparty> Oh, I was unaware of the context.I can see where you were going with it now that you said that.
[23:37] <ravage> i always test LTS releases to report bugs
[23:37] <houseparty> I like Hyper-V but it is a pain to maintain... the networking can get wonky - and more so for me since I use a lot of VMs
[23:37] <ravage> but the version does not really matter. same with every version starting with 22.04
[23:38] <houseparty> I spent around two hours yesterday messing with Hyper-V.
[23:38] <bprompt> ravage: can you update from a beta to an final version?
[23:39] <ravage> yes. you just do your usual package updates
[23:39] <bprompt> I mean, most I OSes, you have to toss the testing version and do a full i install of the final
[23:39] <src> ravage: alright, I'll simply partition the second nvme, and run a backup script to sync various files; it won't serve as a drop in replacement in case of the first nvme dying, but will be backup nonetheless
[23:39] <src> ravage: and the second nvme can be encrypted w/out problem and I dodge a lot of work
[23:40] <ravage> src: sounds like a good plan
[23:40] <src> I've got an external nvme case for two nvmes anyways
[23:40] <src> I could always plug one out there and insert into my machine if the system nvme broke
[23:40] <houseparty> You can update anything but - and I don't know how long anyone here has been using anyone - changing some things may break other things. Even then, few things, aside from breaking grub are unfixable.
[23:41] <src> ravage: big thanks btw, was difficult to find conrecte info on software raid w/ an encrypted system drive
[23:41] <ravage> yw, sorry that i dont have better news 🙂
[23:41] <bprompt> " how long anyone here has been using anyone"?    well, forever, I use "anyone" at the supermarket for checking out for example :P
[23:45] <houseparty> And you can fix grub but if the system won't even boot that's a lot of work.
[23:57] <applecuckoo> Hi! I seem to have broken my networking, since I can no longer connect to WiFi. Running Ubuntu 23.10 with an Intel AX201.
[23:57] <applecuckoo> I’ve tested the Wifi on a live image, so I’ve definitely bricked something within my installation.


[00:01] <lumpy__> kk
[00:01] <lumpy__> so am i
[00:01] <OvenWerks> what have you tried?
[00:01] <lumpy__> do want to do this in chat or do want to open a teamspeak session
[00:02] <OvenWerks> I haven't got TS set up.
[00:02] <Lumpy> kk
[00:02] <Lumpy> well I tried removing pulse
[00:02] <Lumpy> got me no where so i reinstalled it
[00:03] <Lumpy> i checked all the alsamixer sliders
[00:03] <Lumpy> experimented with it for each on
[00:03] <Lumpy> got me no where
[00:03] <OvenWerks> it shouldn't make any difference. (pulse)
[00:03] <Lumpy> i believe not connecting to the shoutcast server is a seperate issue and may be on the shoutcast server end
[00:04] <Lumpy> well do you have any thoughts on how i can trouble shoot this
[00:04] <OvenWerks> connecting to shoutcast is only worth worying about after audio works.
[00:04] <Lumpy> you are much better at all the cli stuff
[00:04] <Lumpy> well the fallbacks won't connect either
[00:04] <Lumpy> and i agree
[00:04] <Lumpy> it is not worth dealing with until i can get jackd to work
[00:05] <OvenWerks> I would like to see the alsa screens.
[00:05] <OvenWerks> I can't remember the web site for sending screen shots though :(
[00:05] <OvenWerks> !screenshot
[00:05] <OvenWerks> there we are :)
[00:06] <OvenWerks> so starting alsamixer in a terminal
[00:07] <Lumpy> i was going to try and let you just watch the desktop
[00:07] <Lumpy> but...
[00:07] <Lumpy> vino is giving me critical errors
[00:10] <Lumpy> so then i just paste you a link like this --> http://imagebin.org/264081 right?
[00:10] <Lumpy> that is the default, built in sound card
[00:11] <Lumpy> that is NOT the one i use to stream
[00:11] <OvenWerks> I was about to say that :)
[00:11] <Lumpy> well i assumed you wanted to see everything
[00:11] <OvenWerks> OK screen shot of what F^ looks like?
[00:11] <OvenWerks> sorry F6
[00:13] <OvenWerks> That should be a list of cards
[00:13] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264082
[00:14] <OvenWerks> Ok, so select the SB
[00:15] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264083
[00:15] <OvenWerks> If it works faster for you, you can just take shots of the terminal window.
[00:16] <OvenWerks> F4?
[00:17] <Lumpy> less than half the sliders show
[00:17] <Lumpy> do you want to see all of the sb sliders?
[00:17] <OvenWerks> Might be useful.
[00:19] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264085
[00:20] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264086
[00:20] <Lumpy> those last two complete F3
[00:21] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264084
[00:21] <Lumpy> and that would be F4
[00:22] <OvenWerks> What are the Line Liv... and line2 li?
[00:23] <OvenWerks> if you select them the Item line at the top should give more info
[00:23] <OvenWerks> it also looks like there is more off the screen to the left.
[00:24] <Lumpy> there are three images total for F3
[00:24] <OvenWerks> I mean for F4
[00:25] <Lumpy> the item desp for  line live is "Line LiveDrive [dB gain: mute mute]
[00:26] <Lumpy> yes there is Bass, Trebble, Front, Surround, Synth, and Wave
[00:26] <Lumpy> Bass and Treble are at 50
[00:26] <Lumpy> the rest all at 0
[00:27] <Lumpy> Line 2 is the same as line one only diff is "LiveDrive 1"
[00:28] <OvenWerks> in another terminal :) arecord -l
[00:29] <Lumpy> i am assuming that is an l and not a one
[00:29] <OvenWerks> yes
[00:29] <Lumpy> screenshot of it?
[00:30] <OvenWerks> I think you can drop the info from card 1 here.
[00:30] <OvenWerks> just the first line
[00:31] <Lumpy> card 1: Live [SB Live! Value [CT4780]], device 0: emu10k1 [ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback]
[00:31] <OvenWerks> That looks pretty normal.
[00:32] <OvenWerks> It only showed two devices?
[00:32] <OvenWerks> (card 0 and card 1
[00:32] <Lumpy> yup
[00:32] <Lumpy> just double checked
[00:33] <Lumpy> like you said
[00:33] <OvenWerks> ok, maybe we should look at qjackctl.
[00:33] <Lumpy> it /looks/ pretty normal
[00:33] <Lumpy> but it /acts/ pretty stubborn
[00:33] <Lumpy> like my xgf
[00:33] <Lumpy> heh
[00:34] <Lumpy> fire up in terminal? or gui?
[00:34] <OvenWerks> gui
[00:34] <OvenWerks> don't start jack, just qjackctl
[00:35] <Lumpy> what we really need are more menus.. . hehe
[00:35] <Lumpy> okay opened but not running
[00:35] <OvenWerks> lets look at setup
[00:36] <OvenWerks> Interface: says?
[00:37] <OvenWerks> should be right side of the dialog, maybe a third down.
[00:37] <Lumpy> http://imagebin.org/264089
[00:37] <Lumpy> that would be the settings tab
[00:37] <Lumpy> and everything is set just as it is on my two fallbacks
[00:37] <Lumpy> both of which work
[00:38] <OvenWerks> you shouldn't have to use input and output devices.
[00:38] <Lumpy> and i have tried every variant of the input and output devices related to SB
[00:38] <Lumpy> what do you mean
[00:39] <Lumpy> like leave it blank?
[00:39] <OvenWerks> input device, output device should be default and just set the device with Interface: which is greyed out right now.
[00:40] <OvenWerks> Has it always been greyed out?
[00:40] <Lumpy> not if i put default in for devices
[00:41] <Lumpy> but I have always chosen the devices in the past
[00:41] <OvenWerks> There can be problems doing that. Channels can be default too.
[00:41] <Lumpy> usually channels are default
[00:41] <OvenWerks> beside Interface there is a tiny box with a >
[00:42] <Lumpy> that was one of my "swings and misses"
[00:42] <OvenWerks> if you click that it should show your devices.
[00:42] <Lumpy> i got that already
[00:43] <OvenWerks> select hw:1 not hw:1,0 I think
[00:44] <Lumpy> selected that which is SB Live! value [CT 4780]
[00:44] <OvenWerks> shoot me another screen before we save it :)
[00:44] <Lumpy> it now looks like this --> http://imagebin.org/264090
[00:44] <OvenWerks> qjackctl has changed my version looks different :)
[00:45] <OvenWerks> select ok
[00:45] <Lumpy> save it first though right?
[00:45] <OvenWerks> OK should save it.
[00:46] <Lumpy> well you never worked in the department of redundancy department :P
[00:46] <OvenWerks> The preset save at the top is something else
[00:46] <Lumpy> done
[00:47] <Lumpy> so should i try it now?
[00:47] <OvenWerks> start jack.
[00:48] <Lumpy> running
[00:48] <Lumpy> no errors in message window
[00:48] <OvenWerks> what does the connections look like.
[00:48] <Lumpy> i also see pulseaudio in the connection
[00:48] <Lumpy> hang on i will get you a shot
[00:48] <OvenWerks> Thats ok
[00:50] <Lumpy> guess i managed to reinstall pulse okay then
[00:51] <OvenWerks> seems so
[00:53] <OvenWerks> OK lets select "disconnect all"    to get rid of the pulse connects
[00:53] <Lumpy> done
[00:53] <OvenWerks> "expand all" will show well too
[00:54] <Lumpy> did that as well
[00:54] <OvenWerks> how many captures do you have?
[00:55] <OvenWerks> (Im thinking two)
[00:55] <Lumpy> correct
[00:55] <Lumpy> capture_1, capture_2
[00:56] <OvenWerks> do you have  some noise/music that is continuous you can run into line in?
[00:56] <Lumpy> i can just thump on the mic
[00:56] <Lumpy> which i can hear over the speakers
[00:57] <OvenWerks> I was thinking music would be easier but that is fine too
[00:57] <Lumpy> everything that goes in goes into the mixer first
[00:57] <OvenWerks> Yup.
[00:57] <OvenWerks> start the meterbridge
[00:58] <Lumpy> okay i just opened up gmusicbrowser
[00:58] <OvenWerks> connect capture 1 and 2 to the meter bridge.
[00:58] <Lumpy> can't believe i didn't instal vcl yet
[00:59] <OvenWerks> we want audio from off of this machine though.
[00:59] <Lumpy> actually we don't
[00:59] <Lumpy> i am in irc on my net book
[00:59] <Lumpy> which is running into the mixer
[00:59] <Lumpy> no meter movement on the meterbridge
[01:00] <OvenWerks> that would be off of the target machine then ok.
[01:00] <Lumpy> correct
[01:00] <Lumpy> capture to meterbridge gives me no movement
[01:00] <Lumpy> and i have a good level on board meter
[01:01] <Lumpy> and can hear the music through the speakers
[01:01] <Lumpy> and they are the speakers connected to the SB
[01:02] <OvenWerks> Ok back to alsamixer in a terminal that is not full screen so we can still see the meters
[01:03] <Lumpy> i am assuming capture
[01:03] <OvenWerks> lets start with playback actually
[01:03] <Lumpy> kk
[01:04] <OvenWerks> if you move over to the slider that says Line
[01:04] <OvenWerks> and hit M the sound out to the speakers should go away
[01:04] <Lumpy> kk, muted it
[01:04] <Lumpy> and just as you said
[01:04] <Lumpy> which i knew would happen
[01:05] <OvenWerks> OK now capture.
[01:05] <Lumpy> kk
[01:06] <OvenWerks> in the image you showed me "Line" was the first thing on the left, can you go left of that?
[01:06] <Lumpy> yes like i typed Bass, Treble, Front, Surround, Synth, Wave
[01:06] <Lumpy> Bass and Treble at 50
[01:06] <Lumpy> rest at 0
[01:07] <OvenWerks> On the capture screen? wow no wonder I was confused.
[01:07] <Lumpy> the SB has EVERYTHING on the capture screen
[01:07] <Lumpy> heh
[01:08] <OvenWerks> The alsa driver is not clear in naming then.
[01:08] <OvenWerks> OK
[01:08] <Lumpy>  i think you can capture everything but bass and treble
[01:08] <OvenWerks> if you select Line which is capture right now and hit space.
[01:09] <Lumpy> it was already selected but space does toggle it
[01:09] <OvenWerks> maybe go through the other channels hitting space. for each. You may find you don't have to unselect one for the next to work.
[01:09] <Lumpy> not all of them
[01:10] <Lumpy> eureka
[01:10] <Lumpy> color me simple
[01:10] <Lumpy> line and capture must have capture under them
[01:11] <Lumpy> i now have meter movement
[01:11] <OvenWerks> good, gotta go
[01:11] <OvenWerks> Wife needs me.
[01:11] <Lumpy> kk
[01:11] <Lumpy> thanks mega bunches
[01:12] <Lumpy> i feel soooo stupid
[01:26] <Lumpy> time for me to fly as well
[01:26] <Lumpy> thanks again and ttyl
[21:56] <dbolton> When I Alt+Middle click a window it dismisses/minimizes the window. Is there a way to turn off this behavior?
[21:56] <dbolton> Ardour uses the same shortcut for automation editing
[21:57] <dbolton> I only see keybaord shortcuts in the Xfce settings windows.
[22:20] <holstein> dbolton: thats where i would look.. in the xfce settings
[22:20] <holstein> dbolton: i havent bothered with middle-click for a long time.. and i dont have a way to  test
[22:20] <holstein> dbolton: ask in #xubuntu as well
[22:35] <holstein> dbolton: how about, under settings for window manager.. keyboard section
[22:41] <dbolton> holstein: I don't see any mouse shortcuts there.
[22:41] <dbolton> Just keyboard.
[22:42] <holstein> i would just remap the one in ardour, and get some work dont
[22:42] <holstein> done*


[17:13] <mdeslaur> rbasak: thanks for fixing python-exchangelib, I was about to upload the same fix :)
[18:37] <rbasak> mdeslaur: yw. I would have communicated in advance but it seemed trivial enough that by the time I'd have done that I'd be done.
[18:38] <mdeslaur> yeah
[20:52] <Odd_Bloke> Definitely seen a connection timeout in CI recently, yeah
[20:52] <bryceh> https://grafana.admin.canonical.com/d/oIhMaXhMk/launchpad-dash?orgId=1&refresh=5m
[20:54] <sarnold> heh, now the question.. will it load? :)
[20:55] <sarnold> it did load! and boy it looks unhappy :)