[10:18] <yao_ziyuan> hi japanese
[10:19] <yao_ziyuan> i wonder if there is a japan-based linux distro
[10:19] <yao_ziyuan> which is supposed to support east asian language display and input better than western distros
[10:19] <yao_ziyuan> i know ubuntu and fedora already do internationalization well
[10:19] <yao_ziyuan> but it's not the case for other, smaller distros
[10:20] <yao_ziyuan> there are german-based opensuse, french-based mandriva, uk-based ubuntu and us-based fedora
[10:20] <yao_ziyuan> but i don't know if there is a japanese-based distro
[10:22] <asakura> vine linux?
[10:26] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[10:26] <yao_ziyuan> i helped pclinuxos to fix some east asian language problems
[10:54] <test> hi, im looking for 24/7 jpn internet news/talk radio stream. what i already found is not good enough. can you suggest me any, plz?
[10:57] <asakura> if you are living in Tokyo or Osaka city, try
[10:57] <asakura> radiko.jp/
[10:58] <test> ty, ill try :)
[14:22] <test> where is the most crowded jpn irc channel?
[15:23] <Emmanuel_Chanel> こんばんは．
[16:06] <test> where is the most crowded jpn irc channel?
[16:12] <Emmanuel_Chanel> How about visiting irc.2ch.net ?
[16:13] <amigojapan> hey Emmanuel_Chanel
[16:13] <Emmanuel_Chanel> ¡Hola! ¿Cómo estas? = Hello! How are you?
[16:14] <amigojapan> Emmanuel_Chanel: bien gracias y tu?    I am good thanx and you?
[16:16] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Bien. = Fine.
[16:18] <amigojapan> hey Emmanuel_Chanel , I am going to the tokyo linux users group on the 21st http://tlug.jp/wiki/Current_Meeting     can you come too?
[16:21] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Yes, if I tried hard... At that day, I'm going to see a doctor.
[16:22] <Emmanuel_Chanel> It would be better to visit those meeting. But I don't promise now...
[16:22] <amigojapan> oh Emmanuel_Chanel well, only if you can,   it would be nice to have someone I knwo at the meating :)
[16:22] <amigojapan> ok Emmanuel_Chanel ,   you dont haveto promiss
[16:22] <amigojapan> Emmanuel_Chanel: but if you do decide to go, let me know
[16:22] <amigojapan> so we can meet at the meeting, its a nomikai
[16:23] <Emmanuel_Chanel> ok. :)
[16:23] <amigojapan> probably a nomikai is not good if youa re sick
[16:24] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Well, I can drink if not too much. In addition, I seldom drink.
[16:24] <amigojapan> ok
[16:26] <test> Emmanuel_Chanel: ty


[17:38] <pceuropa> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/09/29/meet-orwl-the-first-open-source-physically-secure-computer/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Post&utm_content=ORWL&utm_campaign=Device-fy17-iot-content-technical&
[18:29] <gjm> top bk


[02:06] <bkerensa> darn
[02:06] <bkerensa> u beat me
[02:06] <bkerensa> :D
[02:06] <bkerensa> he kept leaving chan so my autocomplete died
[02:06] <bkerensa> :D
[02:15] <elky> you shouldn't rely on autocomplete for kickbans anyway.
[02:16] <Jordan_U> I don't rely on them, but it sure helps for speed.
 can someone tell me what i can't ftp into .gvfs dir?
[06:24] <bazhang> make sense?
[06:24] <bioterror> good engrish
[06:30] <bazhang> "it doesn't work for me: remove it from the repos!!!111"
[07:10] <elky> heh, if he could ftp into it, that would be quite a worry
[14:48] <Pici> I don't understand what they were asking either.
[14:48] <DJones> I tried the command, it said pulseaudio is not installed
[14:48] <tsimpson> I was going to ask if they wanted the build-depends or whatever, but I decided to not bother
[14:49] <tsimpson> *after being called retarded
 Boondoklife: last installation took 2 weeks
[15:28] <bazhang> that seems a tad long
[19:04] <Pici> IdleOne: !
[19:04] <Pici> Happy birthday
[19:04] <IdleOne> Thank you :)
[19:04] <tinyfox> really?
[19:05] <IdleOne> Pici is rarely wrong
[19:05] <tinyfox> /scloak Idleone cake/nommer/idleone
[19:05] <tinyfox> just kidding. Happy birthday <3
[19:05] <IdleOne> Thank you :)
[19:05] <Unit193> Made it another year, congrats.
[19:05]  * genii-around slides IdleOne their beverage of choice and a cupcake with a birthday candle on it
[19:05] <IdleOne> hehe thank you, thank you :)
[19:07]  * DJones sings Happy Birthday
[19:08]  * DJones wonders why the channel has emptied
[19:11] <DJones> Can somebody explain what is happening with the user "sixx" in #u, constantly joining & leaving/quiting with "<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[Max SendQ exceeded]" seems to have been going on all day
[19:12] <tinyfox> DJones: we looked at it and (hopefully) fixed it a few minutes ago,
[19:12] <tsimpson> they are probably flooding the server with a /who
[19:12] <tinyfox> if it happens again, please do poke us
[19:12] <tinyfox> it is quite probably a misbehaving client/bouncer
[19:13] <DJones> Its still bouncing in #u
[19:13] <tinyfox> indeed
[19:13] <Myrtti> not anymore
[19:13] <DJones> :)
[19:14] <tinyfox> Myrtti: see $otherchan :)
[19:14] <Myrtti> yup I know
[19:19] <IdleOne> Myrtti: safe to deop now?
[19:20] <Myrtti> chanserv is back, so I think so
[19:20] <IdleOne> kthx
[21:19] <Myrtti> apparently he's using 10.10
[21:19] <Myrtti> and trying to get support for it


[00:38] <Daekdroom> Hm. The bug report regarding high Audacity CPU usage in unity is gone :(
[00:38] <Daekdroom> I think it expired.
[00:38] <Daekdroom> I was going to ask for a blacklisting in appmenu
[04:14] <artfwo> DBO, what's up?
[04:52] <eschvoca> Hi, I'm trying out beta1 and having issues with Unity.  Am I at the right place?  When I hover over the ubuntu logo (top right) the vertical menu appears but disappears when I move to it.  If I click on the logo I get the large search box but no vertical menu.  How do I use the vertical menu?
[04:53] <eschvoca> s/top right/top left/
[06:09] <coz_>  good day all
[11:16] <delac> are the "Lenses" user selectable, that is, is there some configuration file that determines what Lenses are shown to user?
[11:25] <davidcalle> delac, in /usr/share/unity/places/ each Lens has its .place file. It's determined here.
[11:31] <delac> davidcalle: yes, but what about per user? can I select what Lenses are shown for me? maybe with some config file in ~/.local/share/unity/places?
[11:39] <davidcalle> delac, you can try. AFAIK, It should work.
[11:40] <delac> davidcalle: you have tried and it worked?
[11:41] <davidcalle> delac, I haven't tried.
[11:42] <andrea_> delac, you want to hide the icon of the place?
[11:42] <delac> davidcalle: ok. I did try to put empty applications.place and files.place to see if that would make them dissapear from the Launcher and Dash, but that didn't work.
[11:43] <delac> davidcalle: andrea_ that is one thing I'm trying to do
[11:43] <delac> huh
[11:43] <delac> andrea_: that is one thing I'm trying to do
[11:44] <AndreaAzzarone> well, what place icon you want to hide?
[11:45] <delac> AndreaAzzarone: any of the at this point. I quess the process is same for all of them?
[11:45] <AndreaAzzarone> well, hide the icons according to me is simple!
[11:45] <AndreaAzzarone> but if you want to hide askubuntu lens icon
[11:46] <AndreaAzzarone> or other lens that are not accessible via shortucut dash
[11:46] <AndreaAzzarone> well, how you can use them?
[11:48] <delac> AndreaAzzarone: well, of course I would not use those then. And I know how to make custom lenses. It's documented in the Unity pages. I'm just wondering if there is way to select which ones are shown.
[11:48] <delac> AndreaAzzarone: per user, that is
[11:48] <AndreaAzzarone> ok... i have an idea..
[11:48] <AndreaAzzarone> i will try soon ;)
[11:54] <AndreaAzzarone> delac, ShowEntry=False will help you :)
[11:55] <delac> AndreaAzzarone: oh, let's see about that
[11:58] <delac> hmm, loginwindow didn't show my user after logout... restarting...
[12:01] <andrea__> delac, can you repeat
[12:01] <andrea__> delac, i have some connection problem!
[12:01] <delac> still booting... :(
[12:01] <delac> doesn't happend very quickly from usb stick...
[12:02] <andrea__> ok ok...
[12:02] <andrea__> i can wait :)
[12:04] <delac> well, didn't work. I did try to put the ShowEntry=false to each entry section. Even on the Place section. But it had no effect.
[12:07] <delac> AndreaAzzarone: did you try that for the files in the /usr/share/... or in the ~/.local/share/unity/places?
[12:07] <AndreaAzzarone> /usr/share/...
[12:07] <delac> yes, so it means there is probably no way to make these settings per user
[12:08] <AndreaAzzarone> mmm...
[12:08] <AndreaAzzarone> just a minute!
[12:09] <AndreaAzzarone> there is no ~/.local/share/unity... dir!
[12:09] <AndreaAzzarone> then you are right! :(
[12:10] <delac> no unity dir, or unity/places
[12:10] <AndreaAzzarone> no unity
[12:10] <AndreaAzzarone> ls ~/.local/share/
[12:10] <AndreaAzzarone> applications   gsettings-data-convert  totem      webkit
[12:10] <AndreaAzzarone> desktop-couch  gvfs-metadata           TpLogger   zeitgeist
[12:10] <AndreaAzzarone> evolution      mime                    Trash
[12:10] <AndreaAzzarone> folks          recently-used.xbel      ubuntuone
[12:11] <AndreaAzzarone> i have to go!
[12:11] <AndreaAzzarone> see you later
[12:11] <delac> doh, I put the files in wrong place. Forgot to do the unity folder completely XD
[12:11] <delac> bb
[12:14] <delac> nah, didnt help tp have them in unity/places either...
[12:29] <AndreaAzzarone> but you have understood how to hide them globally?
[13:03] <Guest78173> how to get rid of the Unity on 11.04.  This is disaster. Unity must GO.  Saved my day and first expereience with 11.04 ;-)
[14:53] <delac> np
[18:32] <dlundquist> So, I tried Unity and found a few flaws using it with my workflow: I use multiple terminals windows for different tasks, I can't seem to open more than one terminal window at a time, even on different virtual desktops. Second: I would like to be able to launch an application with either just the mouse, or just the keyboard, and the unity search menu thing seems to enforce switching between the two.
[18:35] <dlundquist> Overall it seems to make a lot of sense to optimize screen realestate and limit resource usage on a netbook, but seems limiting at 1920x1080 on a high end desktop.
[18:37] <davidcalle> dlundquist, about the new windows: mouse: middle click on the launcher, keyboard: Super + Shift + number
[18:39] <dlundquist> Thank you
[18:39] <davidcalle> dlundquist, yw
[19:13] <delac> has anyone found a way to customize the Dash (menu opened from the topleft ubuntu logo)?
[19:14] <Daekdroom> Costumize in what ways?
[19:15] <delac> Daekdroom: selecting more appropriate aplications to the shortcuts menu
[19:17] <delac> Daekdroom: and more than four. eight might be good.
[19:18] <Daekdroom> I think the later has something to do with the size.
[19:23] <delac> Daekdroom: any way to make the icons smaller?
[19:24] <Daekdroom> Not that I know of. There are some tweaks you can do only through CLI, and I haven't read any list of them.
[19:24] <Daekdroom> However, staying around in here might get you an answer.
[19:26] <delac> Daekdroom: well, have been here a while already. No one seems to know anything. :)
[19:26] <Daekdroom> They're probably not paying attention.
[22:11] <Omega> Has anyone else ever had trouble with waking up from suspend? I can move my mouse around, but the screen stays black.


[05:57] <Shibe> guys
[05:57] <Shibe> libsdl i386 needs wayland-egl-mesa
[05:57] <Shibe> and i am on proprietary nvidia drivers
[05:57] <Shibe> why is this?
[05:57] <Shibe> i want to play witcher 2 but libsdl2 is missing and it needs wayland egl
[05:57] <Shibe> libsdl2*
[05:58] <Shibe> is this because wayland is now enabled by default for sdl2?
[05:58] <Shibe> could you please recompile with wayland disabled for trusty tahr?
[06:02] <Shibe> anybody here?
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> Shibe: you might need patience here :p
[06:03] <Shibe> yeah
[06:03] <Shibe> i think wayland should be disabled for libsdl2
[06:04] <Shibe> im pretty sure most people wouldnt even be running wayland on trusty tahr since it doesnt have xwayland
[06:04] <Shibe> and older versions of software
[06:10] <infinity> Shibe: Why does installing an extra package upset you so much?
[06:11] <infinity> Shibe: (And this is not a support channel)
[06:11] <Shibe> infinity: because i am on nvidia and not mesa?
[06:11] <Shibe> wouldnt egl-mesa break stuff?
[06:11] <infinity> No.
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> infinity: i forwarded him here, as we seen libsdl2 discussed here recently
[06:11] <Shibe> infinity: >.> http://i.shibe.ml/QmZxbGiiYeEQmxMEPg34rSpaWfpawWKZbtRx1ogsRupmZg.png
[06:11] <infinity> lotuspsychje: Please don't.  This is not a bug report or support channel.
[06:12] <Shibe> sure doesnt break stuff
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> infinity: so if nobody in #ubuntu knows about recent packages, where to go then...
[06:14] <infinity> File bugs.
[06:14] <infinity> Shibe: Is that running trusty-proposed
[06:14] <infinity> ?
[06:14] <Shibe> what is trusty-proposed?
[06:15] <infinity> apt-cache policy libegl1-mesa
[06:15] <Shibe> infinity: http://i.shibe.ml/QmR2DujLyfZUVhwhxumJqXXfCcRkEaJCfzjVrvKYFHs17E.png
[06:16] <infinity> Shibe: Kay.  Please file a bug.  'ubuntu-bug mesa'
[06:16] <infinity> Shibe: Explain what you're trying to do and why and include the apt output.
[06:17] <Shibe> infinity: witcher2 wont run because libsdl2 is missing, when i try to install libsdl2 32 bit version it says libegl-mesa is missing
[06:18] <Shibe> infinity: where do i file a bug? here? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bugs
[06:19] <infinity> Shibe: Oh type what I said...
[06:19] <Shibe> the apt-cache policy thing?
[06:20] <infinity> No, "ubuntu-bug mesa".   But, the part where you're running mint might make this not our bug.
[06:20] <Shibe> where do i type ubuntu-bug mesa?
[06:20] <infinity> Out of interest, what output do you get for "apt-get install libsdl2-2.0-0 libsdl2-2.0-0:i386"?
[06:21] <Shibe> infinity: http://hastebin.com/raw/umuhoyinet
[06:22] <infinity> Works fine here.  I suspect something wonky going on with your setup.
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> Shibe: you added ppa's of any kind?
[06:22] <Shibe> lotuspsychje: ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> Shibe: purge that stuff
[06:22] <Shibe> ok
[06:22] <infinity> Anyhow, again, this is not a support channel.  Please take this back to #ubuntu
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> Shibe: and lets continue in #ubuntu as infinity sugests
[06:23] <infinity> If you need to keep drilling down to see what's broken, keep adding the "broken" packages to the install list until something looks obvious.
[06:23] <infinity> ie: apt-get install libsdl2-2.0-0 libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 libwayland-egl1-mesa libwayland-egl1-mesa:i386
[06:23] <infinity> for the next pass.
[06:23] <infinity> Etc.
[06:23] <infinity> Until you see a more obvious "can't install foo because bar hates you".
[06:25] <infinity> lotuspsychje: Please don't recommend that users file bugs real-time in devel channels.  If they really need rapid support, there are people who sell support (like Canonical, and others), but expecting quick answers from people who are using these channels to coordinate development isn't fair or reasonable.
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> infinity: i didnt recommend him to bug here, just for info about a package
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> but no sweat, i wont recommend this channel to nobody anymore
[06:58] <Kamilion> Shibe: Please do not disable wayland support in libsdl2, I'm using it.
[06:59] <Kamilion> I'm in #lubuntu-offtopic if you need help debugging your issue.
[08:41] <sil2100> Hello release team! I'm disabling the system-image importer for a longer while now (~1-2 hours)
[08:42] <sil2100> Ok, maybe a bit less
[08:42] <sil2100> I'll be switching it on and off through this period though
[12:35] <tsimonq2> infinity: looks like Ubuntu's kernels aren't ALWAYS more secure than Linus'...just saying http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/19/linux_kernel_keyrings_get_privilege_escalation_patch/
[12:35] <tsimonq2> :P
[13:20] <cjwatson> Default kernel configs don't necessarily have much to do with what people actually enable when building homebrew mainline kernels, of course.
[13:24] <apw> tsimonq2, of cours that is configuration related, so if you used our mainline builds for instance, you would be vunerable
[16:29] <infinity> tsimonq2: The code is in mainline, how you configure it is up to you.
[16:30] <infinity> tsimonq2: But running a distro kernel would have been much safer there than running mainline and not responding to the vulnerability within an hour of the first announcement.
[18:33] <teward> any archive admins around to consider a package removal request?


[21:38] <Lena> Is anyone here?
[21:38] <Lena> I need some help
[21:38] <Lena> I want to install linux on Acer Aspire 3000 laptop
[21:40] <emgent> Lena: plase join #ubuntu and ask.
[21:41] <Lena> thx


[03:01] <squinty> exit
[05:14] <pmatulis> webmin doesn't work well with ubuntu
[07:09] <Seveas> s/ well.*//
[07:11] <RoyK> !webmin
[07:13] <RoyK> ubottu: webmin is also Learning to administer Ubuntu using the commandline isn't very hard, and that way you may even learn something.
[09:43] <ArchaicLord> Hi all. First time on IRC a friend suggest to me..
[09:43] <ArchaicLord> I was hoping to ask if anyone one could help me sorting out a problem I have in ubuntu server 16.04 please
[09:50] <ArchaicLord> ok.. well maybe someone will reply...
[09:50] <ArchaicLord> I installed 16.04 onto a usb.. I then manually made a raid5 disk array using madam..
[09:51] <ArchaicLord> I can see the array is active.. it should have file system of ext4
[09:51] <ArchaicLord> but i can't for the life of me cd to it.. teh array is md0 ... i can't cd /dev/md0
[09:51] <ArchaicLord> any ideas what I need to do to be able to add files to it
[10:03] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: md0 is a block device, it's not a directory ;)
[10:04] <ArchaicLord> how do access the directory on it? I want to be able to create a samba share
[10:04] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: on md0, you can either put a filesystem, or as I prefer it, first put an LVM volume group (VG) there and then create a logical volume (LV) on top and then a filesystem on the LV
[10:04] <RoyK> !lvm
[10:04] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: I guess you're pretty new to linux - welcome - to the real life :D
[10:05] <ArchaicLord> not new to linux.. but new as in doing raid
[10:05] <ArchaicLord> and more serious things
[10:05] <RoyK> md0 is just a block device like sda or sdb
[10:05] <RoyK> so better put a pv on md0 (pvcreate /dev/md0), then a vg on that (vgcreate myraidvg-or-something /dev/md0)
[10:07] <RoyK> and then an lv on that vg (lvcreate -n mytestdata -L 100G myraidvg-or-something) and then you can create a filesystem on that one (that is, in this case, /dev/myraidvg-or-something/mytestdata )
[10:07] <RoyK> as in mkfs -t ext4 /dev/myraidvg-or-something/mytestdata
[10:07] <RoyK> if it's something big (as in lots of terabytes), consider using xfs instead of ext4
[10:07] <ArchaicLord> the pool is 1.8tb
[10:08] <RoyK> can you pastebin /proc/mdstat, please?
[10:08] <RoyK> !pastebin
[10:08] <ArchaicLord>  thats a cat command?
[10:09] <ArchaicLord> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23465125/
[10:10] <RoyK> ok, good - btw how large are the disks?
[10:11] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: also - where is  your rootfs?
[10:12] <ArchaicLord> my root os is on usb
[10:12] <RoyK> ok
[10:12] <ArchaicLord> eash disk is 2tb
[10:13] <ArchaicLord> i baliscy have a pc £25 from ebay with 4 sata ports ( i have no money) I use d 32gigi usb for server isntall
[10:13] <ArchaicLord> i added 4x2tb drives and created the raid manually
[10:13] <RoyK> right, so do as I said above - that'll give you a 6TB VG onto which you can place LVs onto which you can place filesystems
[10:14] <ArchaicLord> I thought when i ran the comand ext4 it woudl creat all that
[10:14] <ArchaicLord> ok will do
[10:14] <ArchaicLord> the tutorials i found only tell u how to create teh raid not what to do after
[10:14] <RoyK> and for 6TB, given it may grow to something bigger in a year or three, better use xfs
[10:14] <ArchaicLord>  can i change to the other file system
[10:15] <ArchaicLord>           xfs i
[10:16] <ArchaicLord> RoyK i dont have any sata ports spare for it to grow..
[10:16] <ArchaicLord> I am just using it for my own home media
[10:17] <ArchaicLord>          i wanna run plex or something
[10:17] <ArchaicLord> and also use to back up to my pc and wifes mac
[10:17] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: but one day you'll get another controller and some more drives etc - I know how these things work :D
[10:17] <RoyK> a friend of mine said the same as you did some years back, she just started off with 2x3TB. Now she's at 10x2TB and I doubt it's the end of it all
[10:17] <ArchaicLord>   or just store it on the cloud
[10:18] <RoyK> mass storage in the cloud is still either horribly slow or terribly expensive (or both, as a bonus)
[10:20] <ArchaicLord> fair enough
[10:21] <ArchaicLord> I starting to think getting a full rack server and putting it in my loft might not be a bad idea
[10:24] <ArchaicLord> can i just run mkfs.xfs /dev/md0 as it is or do i need to stop the array first?
[10:25] <RoyK> just make sure you have sufficient cooling
[10:25] <RoyK> you can put xfs directly on top of md0, but again, for various reasons, I'd suggest using LVM on the md and then a filesystem on top of that instead
[10:25] <ArchaicLord> ha yeah .. loft gets dam hot lol.. a very bad place to put it
[10:26] <RoyK> if you stop md0 first, you obviously won't be able  to use it with anything, it'll be like unplugging a drive
[10:27] <ArchaicLord> they are 2tb each
[10:27] <ArchaicLord> they are wd green
[10:28] <ArchaicLord> omg ingore that... i scrolled up and replied to an old post again
[10:28] <ArchaicLord> I am reading hte LVM guide u sent
[10:29] <ArchaicLord> so I have messed with ubuntu desktop on and off.. I like linux.. I just don't like that no one develops for it main stream... ie games and things.. (not ones I play anyway) I been learning web developemt...
[10:30] <ArchaicLord> I ran a freenas box previously but it just kept falling over... I not long set up a websever in unutnu for the first time without a desktop environment
[10:30] <ArchaicLord> that went ok.. and then i figured running it at home instead of Freenas might be better so here I am
[10:41] <ArchaicLord> I am right in thinking Raid 5 will give me the best use of space, speed and redundancy for a small system?
[10:44] <maxb> Possibly, depends how small is small
[10:45] <maxb> For a home server, maybe. For any kind of business application, you need to take a hard look at whether you really want something as weak as RAID 5
[10:50] <ArchaicLord> 8tb made up of 4*2tb drives.. I do have a web server I set up that is samller than this but sounds like i might need to back it up and change it
[10:50] <ArchaicLord> but that 6tb is my home one
[10:55] <maxb> ArchaicLord: For a 4 drive array, I've have to ask just how much you think you need 6TB capacity rather than the 4TB you'd get from RAID 10.... and if you need 6TB maybe you'd be better doing 6*2TB in RAID 10 instead
[10:57] <maxb> Of course, if write performance isn't all that important, and you don't mind that any 2 simultaneous drive failures kill the array, RAID 5 is still an option
[10:58] <ArchaicLord> No was trying to maximise the space.. as affording more drives is an issue
[10:58] <maxb> But RAID 10 will get you better write performance, an ability to survive _some_ patterns of 2 drive failures, and rebuilds that only need to read back from 1 drive instead of all 3 others
[10:58] <ArchaicLord> I want to back up my pc, my wifes mac and my mac..... and then I also want to run a media server to host films and music
[10:59] <ArchaicLord> just between the 2 macs.. thats 1tb of data..
[10:59] <ArchaicLord> and that wouldonly be 1 back up each..
[11:02] <maxb> Seems like RAID 5 is reasonable under the constraints, but you should either keep a spare drive on hand or be prepared to order one next day delivery if one fails
[11:02] <ArchaicLord> when i get a job I can prob justify it..
[11:23] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: you can't convert from ext4 to xfs - you'll have to backup your data and recreate the filesystem
[11:23] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: the only thing I know of that ext4 can do that xfs can't, is to be shrunk - xfs can only be grown
[11:23] <ArchaicLord> thats not an issue there isn't any data on it.. the data i thought was on it is on the usb drive
[11:24] <RoyK> ok, just create a new fs, then
[11:24] <ArchaicLord> oh bother.. i need to destroy the curernt array completly and rebuild from scratch?
[11:24] <RoyK> maxb: for async writes, the performance is likely to be better with raid5 than raid10, since you'll have more data drives
[11:25] <RoyK> maxb: but don't use raid5 with a lot of drives, use raid6
[11:26] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: no, listen.... you have disks or ssds that together make up a raidset, represented by a blockdevice, like /dev/md0. on top of this, you put lvm2, meaning you create a volume group with one physical volume, md0, and on the vg, you create a logical volume, lv, onto which you place a filesystem
[11:27] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: it's all layered nicely, so if you change something on one layer, whatever's below won't care, that is, if you have lvm setup and recreate the fs, all lvm will see is a bunch of i/o
[11:27] <RoyK> so will the raid
[11:30] <ArchaicLord> ahhh ok so it matters not what file system my raid is currently
[11:33] <ArchaicLord> that will make life happyier..I shall give it a go... so I gotta create volume groupd then create a logical volume then apply xfs to the lv.
[11:48] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: they are separate enteties
[11:49] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: yes, create a vg with the raid as a pv and then put an lv on top of that and then a filesystem on the lv
[11:50] <RoyK> ArchaicLord: most things are like that in linux, the exceptions are btrfs and zfs, where the roles with raid/volume management/filesystems are mixed up, which gives some interesting opportunities
[12:18] <ArchaicLord> Freenas was zfs
[12:20] <ArchaicLord> ok for the vg do I create that as the entire size of my array?
[13:28] <ArchaicLord> when creating the vg.. for a pool of 6tb would 128m be enough for the physical extent size?
[13:31] <ArchaicLord> so I done 6,000,000 / 65,000 = 92.307.. I figure that rounded up would be 128
[14:25] <ArchaicLord> ok now I am confused I ran this
[14:26] <ArchaicLord> mount /dev/lvm-raid/lvm0 /mnt
[14:26] <ArchaicLord> df -h /mnt
[14:27] <ArchaicLord> which gives me
[14:27] <ArchaicLord> Filesystem                 Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[14:27] <ArchaicLord> /dev/mapper/lvm_raid-lvm0  5.5T   34M  5.5T   1% /mnt
[14:28] <ArchaicLord> so now would    mkdir test /mnt       create a file in the right place?
[14:44] <jelly> "mkdir /mnt/test"
[15:11] <binia> or just cd /mount
[15:11] <binia> mkdir test :d
[15:11] <ArchaicLord> yeah i got it.. was afriad /mnt/ was the os /mnt/ which is why i wanted to check
[17:04] <xibalba> any idea how i can install postgrey w/out postfix as a dependency
[17:05] <xibalba> other than compiling it
[17:17] <TJ-> xibalba: "dpkg --unpack" then edit /var/lib/dpkg/status, finding the debian/control file entries for that package and edit the Depends: line :)
[17:18] <TJ-> xibalba: in theory then you can dpkg --install with the modified dependency
[17:18] <patdk-lap> tj, that seems really overkil
[17:18] <patdk-lap> postfix isn't a dependency of postgrey
[17:19]  * patdk-lap also wonders how you compile perl
[17:20] <TJ-> patdk-lap: that's generally how I hack a binary package's dependencies quickly :)
[17:21] <patdk-lap> but why hack it? if it doesn't even depend on it?
[17:21] <TJ-> xibalba: it looks as if postfix is a recommends so you can just do "apt-get install --no-install-recommends postgrey"
[17:21] <xibalba> patdk-lap , didn't know it was perl based hwne i started
[17:21] <TJ-> patdk-lap: xibalba said it depended; I didn't double-check on that
[17:21] <xibalba> oh thanks
[17:22] <xibalba> i didn't find that option earlier i'll give that a go
[17:22] <TJ-> I used to apply that dpkg status hack to allow side-by-side installation of PC/UEFI grub packages that declare Conflicts
[20:26] <CodeMouse92> #apache
[20:26] <CodeMouse92> Oops
[22:24] <phantoms1> if im using docker do i stil have to runn ubuntu server?
[22:26] <bekks> phantoms1: docker is an application running on a host OS.
[22:26] <bekks> you still need a host OS.
[22:52] <phantoms1> y but it can be alsow desctop version!? or would that stil be a security risk ….
[22:52] <bekks> What are you talking about?
[22:53] <bekks> There is no such thing as "docker without a host which runs docker".
[22:53] <phantoms1> ubuntu desctop with docker
[22:53] <bekks> Yes, you can run docker on Ubuntu Desktop.
[22:54] <phantoms1> and how di i secure it?
[22:54] <phantoms1> i dont have a domain just public ip
[22:55] <bekks> A domain has nothing to do with it at all.