[00:02] <Mohero> I have a bugfix for MailScanner - Hardy Alpha 5 installs MailScanner version 4.58.9-2 the latest is 4.66.5-3 - which is out of date - however, that's not a huge issue - as it sort-of works, it gives errors about a Var $FIELD_NAME in /usr/share/MailScanner/MailScanner/Message.pm and I fear a few people may get caught by ty this if they upgrade mail servers from 6.06LTS to 8.04LTS...
[00:03] <Mohero> the fix for version 4.58.9-2 is to add an extra line - I'll put it on Launchpad.
[00:09] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: take a look at bug #180881
[00:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180881 in gdm "Fonts in the GNOME login screen are disproportionately big" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180881
[00:20] <DanaG> Don't you just love those random hard-lockups?
[00:20] <teethdood> firefox 3.0B3 is the worst beta software I've ever seen
[00:21] <teethdood> it crashes a lot, locks up the comp, random GDM restart, slow scrolling.
[00:21] <asdrubal> locks up the computer?! wtf
[00:21] <teethdood> And somehow the repos took out firefox 2!
[00:21] <asdrubal> how can it do that
[00:21] <asdrubal> I'm using B3, but not a .deb.. the tgz in my home directory
[00:22] <asdrubal> teethdood, you using any funky plugins?
[00:22] <DanaG> I just love Flash.....
[00:22] <DanaG> *segfault*
[00:22] <Mohero> teethdood: FF3 is a strange one - and it acts very differntly on different systems...
[00:22] <teethdood> asdrubal: sometimes it would gray itself then nothing. Other times it would not even gray itself. I could move the mouse but nothing else
[00:22] <DanaG> Every three or so pages on youtube... *segfault*
[00:23] <DanaG> Sometimes Firefox will go gray while it's frozen for a while, and then unfreeze and stay grey.
[00:23] <DanaG> It's really annoying when that happens.
[00:23] <teethdood> DanaG: yes. How come they took off FF2 from the repos?
[00:24] <DanaG> It really does annoy me that they don't keep around old versions of things.  I mean, WTF are you supposed to do if, say, the new version of HAL breaks battery reporting (and it does!) ?
[00:25] <teethdood> FF3 is supposed to fix the "memory leaks" and makes things a lot faster. Not so. It even removed the HOME button without a trace
[00:25] <nhaines> There's a home button on my links bar.
[00:26] <teethdood> I mean...Home is the quickest way to browse away from that porn you've been looking at
[00:27] <teethdood> hehe erm j/k
[00:29] <cowbud> teethdood, there was recently an ubuntuforums post on that. It turns out the removal of home was a distro choice if I recall..
[00:30] <Flannel> DanaG: not-upgrade to alpha versions
[00:33] <DanaG> Better solution: read changelogs before you install things!
[00:33] <DanaG> I do that.  That's exactly why I haven't updated HAL in a while, and I won't update until the battery bug is fixed.
[00:33] <jw144000> I'm having a problem switching between keyboard layouts in Hardy Heron Alpha 5. After I switch to the Hebrew Phonetic layout, it won't switch back to English or any other layout I have. Can anyone help?
[00:33] <Flannel> DanaG: You should be able to pin it back
[00:59] <alka_trash> is hardy going to use network-manager 7.0?
[01:10] <sarthor>  I checked gparted, fdisk, but there is no Option for protected usb drive with password? any Help please
[01:13] <DanaG> Protected USB drive with password?  That doesn't seem like a standard partition type to me.
[01:25] <john_> hey
[01:25] <nhaines> hey
[01:26] <john_> is the nvida driver supposed to work ?
[01:26] <john_> becuase it does not for me
[01:26] <nhaines> Can you be more specific?
[01:26] <DanaG> !work
[01:26] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[01:27] <john_> it installs
[01:27] <john_> but sticks me in 640x800
[01:27] <john_> and wont let me change that
[01:28] <DanaG> Broken EDID?
[01:28] <thompa> anyone know how to enable acer-wmi?
[01:29] <thompa> supposidly acer acpi has been backported, but is it a module or what?
[01:29] <john_> dana i dont think so
[01:29] <john_> i get full resolution with non nvida driver
[01:30] <john_> scratch that no i dont
[01:31] <thompa> Backport acer-wmi to hardy 2.6.24 kernel ..... says fix committed. but how do i check it?
[01:32] <john_> i am going  to enable them and restart my computer again
[01:32] <john_> brb
[01:32] <thompa> anyway backported modules dont show up
[01:33] <teethdood> anyone familiar with PS3 as a media center, including using a wireless keyboard with it and Ubuntu/other Distro?
[01:43] <gnomy> im back
[01:43] <gnomy> it locked me in 640x480
[01:44] <gnomy> the screen an graphics preferance area does not work either
[01:45] <gnomy> does this area work for any of you ?
[01:47] <DanaG> Hmm, dig around in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to try to find anything that looks like an error.  Don't paste anything more than, say, one or two lines, here.
[01:49] <gnomy> the terminal says permision denied
[01:49] <gnomy> i tried sudo and it says command not found
[01:50] <gnomy> i also tried root
[01:50] <gnomy> does that mean i am missing the file ?
[01:52] <DanaG> It's a file, not an executable.
[01:52] <DanaG> go to console and 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[01:52] <gnomy> ty
[01:57] <gnomy> (--) NV(0): Trying load detection on VGA0 ... nothing.
[01:58] <gnomy> does that mean there is no monitor plugged in via vga ?
[02:00] <DanaG> I don't know what your configuration is.
[02:00] <gnomy> just chrcking
[02:00] <gnomy> becuase mine is on via dvi
[02:01] <gnomy> (II) NV(0): Output VGA1 connected
[02:01] <gnomy> but would that be my dvi ?
[02:01] <DanaG> That seems odd... maybe it's using the analog part of DVI.
[02:02] <gnomy> the dvi is connected to an adapter on my monitor that converts it to vga
[02:03] <DanaG> Aah, then that is right -- it's just vga2 then.
[02:03] <gnomy> ok
[02:03] <gnomy> in that case
[02:04] <gnomy> there are no problems    i can find
[02:04] <gnomy> in that file
[02:05] <gnomy> but i cant read hex
[02:06] <burner> can anyone help me get nautilus as teh default file manager instead of thunar?  When I upgraded to hardy, it switched to thunar on me when I access things via the places menu
[02:07] <DanaG> Hmm, anything about EDID or DDC on the xorg log?
[02:08] <gnomy> looking
[02:09] <gnomy> is there a way to search the text ?
[02:10] <gnomy> (II) NV(0): Probing for EDID on I2C bus 0...
[02:10] <gnomy> (II) NV(0): I2C device "I2C0:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
[02:10] <gnomy> (II) NV(0): I2C device "I2C0:ddc2" removed.
[02:10] <gnomy> is that the problem ?
[02:13] <alex_mayorga> gnomy, the pref->monitor is broken due to bug 138189 I believe
[02:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138189 in pykdeextensions "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138189
[02:13] <DanaG> I'm not sure what to do about the ddc thing.
[02:14] <gnomy> so i have to install python dev ?
[02:15] <alex_mayorga> looks like it
[02:15] <gnomy> i not i kbuntu though
[02:15] <gnomy> im using gnome
[02:16] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-219226.html   -- something about monitors.
[02:16] <gnomy> mine does not flicker
[02:17] <alex_mayorga> but the prefs dont work on gnome either
[02:17] <alex_mayorga> I get that bug is more broad
[02:18] <gnomy> ya
[02:20] <gnomy> i might try gusty again
[02:20] <gnomy> my windows install got fubar i think
[02:21] <gnomy> i installed on a seperate hardrive
[02:21] <gnomy> but windows does not show up in my boot loader
[02:21] <DanaG> Hmm, that's easy enough to fix.
[02:21] <gnomy> i get my windows disk
[02:22] <gnomy> and use the recovery console right
[02:22] <Dr_willis> You just need toadd the proper entry to the menu.lst to add windows to the grub listing
[02:22] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108428
[02:22] <Dr_willis> did you install windows first or after linux?
[02:22] <gnomy> first
[02:22] <gnomy> but i think it was atached to bot drives
[02:23] <gnomy> both
[02:23] <gnomy> like my boot .ini was on a differant drive than my windows install
[02:23] <DanaG> Dang, we so need a GDM theme to go with the new wallpaper.
[02:23] <Dr_willis> gnomy,  no idea on that. I dont keep windows so complex.
[02:23] <gnomy> i can fix it
[02:23] <gnomy> i just dont want to
[02:23] <Dr_willis> I keeop windows on hd #1  and linux on HD #2. i let grub handle the booting
[02:24] <gnomy> thats what i would do
[02:24] <gnomy> if windows wasnt evil and always installs to both my hard drives
[02:24] <wastrel> hi
[02:25] <Dr_willis> i dont get this 'installing to both' bit.
[02:25] <Dr_willis>  Ive never seen it do that.
[02:25] <gnomy> it's my retarted boot leg copy
[02:25] <gnomy> il live
[02:26] <Dr_willis> you mean the 'restore' disks  restore to 2 drives? not actually installing..
[02:26] <gnomy> my windows desk is bootleg
[02:26] <gnomy> and when used
[02:27] <gnomy> it will install on 2 hard drives
[02:27] <mEck0> Hi! does anyone know if it works perfectly to connect a laptop running ubuntu 8.04 alpha4 to a projector (vga interface)?
[02:27] <gnomy>  it might
[02:27] <gnomy> i have a bug that would stop me
[02:27] <gnomy> but it might not appear for you
[02:27] <RAOF> mEck0: It depends on what laptop & drivers, basically.
[02:28] <mEck0> RAOF, HP Compaq 6510b, intel gma gfx
[02:28] <RAOF> mEck0: The answer should be "yes", then.  The command you're after is "xrandr --auto".
[02:28] <lime4x4> anyone here using bluetooth keyboards?
[02:29] <mEck0> RAOF, and I don't even need to reboot? (which you sometimes need when running Windows and connect a projector)
[02:29] <RAOF> mEck0: You shouldn't need to reboot, no.
[02:29] <alex_mayorga> lime4x4, is there a problem?
[02:29] <RAOF> mEck0: There's been some work on a GUI frontend to XRandR, but for now you probably just want to check out the various options of the "xrandr" command.
[02:30] <gnomy> thanks for your help guys
[02:30] <mEck0> RAOF, ok
[02:31] <lime4x4> using a logitech mx5000 when i try to unlock the computer from it's screensaver mode the keyboard and mouse aren't working no more i have to unplug the bt dongle then reinsert which then puts the keyboard into usb mode
[02:31] <DanaG> Oh hey, is there a way to get 1024x768 when connected to a VGA device with no DDC pin?
[02:31] <alex_mayorga> old bugger
[02:31] <alex_mayorga> let me digg it for you
[02:31] <DanaG> NVIDIA only offers up 800x600 in that situation.
[02:33] <lime4x4> i know bluetooth was redone in hardy
[02:33] <RAOF> DanaG: Hm, suckworthy.  Have you browsed through "nvidia-xconfig --advanced-help"?  There's undobtedly _some_ arcane option applicable to your situation.
[02:34] <alex_mayorga> lime4x4, check bug 32415, see if my comment there helps
[02:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32415 in bluez-utils "Bluetooth Mouse and Keyboard Broken in Dapper/Edgy/Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32415
[02:35] <lime4x4> ok i'll have a look at it thanks
[02:35] <DanaG> Here's something silly: changing resolution on nvdia, by default, changes the perceived panel size, rather than the DPI.
[02:36] <RAOF> That's... odd.  But I suppose not much odder than "Refresh rates <=> twinview modes".
[02:38] <lime4x4> hardy no longer uses hidd
[02:44]  * Linuturk is running Hardy alpha 5 on his laptop :)
[02:44] <Linuturk> I like the wallpaper
[02:45] <nhaines> It's kinda nice.
[02:46] <alex_mayorga> how do I know what alpha I'm on?
[02:46] <Linuturk> I believe if you keep up with your updates, you are on the most recent
[02:46] <Linuturk> correct me if I'm wrong though
[02:49] <alex_mayorga> but there's not like in RH /etc/release or something?
[02:49] <Linuturk> alex_mayorga: cat /etc/issue
[02:49] <DanaG> Ubuntu hardy (development branch) \n \l
[02:52] <Linuturk> I've got a funny reboot/shutdown bug. This happens in alpha 5, and gutsy. When I attempt to shutdown or reboot, my laptop's screen blanks out, it ignores keyboard input, and my cpu fan kicks on 100% and it won't shutdown until I force a shutdown by holding down the power button. ideas?
[02:53] <Linuturk> also happens in debian etch too
[02:53] <alex_mayorga> Linuturk, thanx
[02:53] <Linuturk> np alex_mayorga :)
[02:53] <Linuturk> I did have arch on here, and it didn't happen with arch
[02:55] <Linuturk> it isn't consistant either. It seems to happen at random
[03:11] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Feta_Kuti_without_blood
[03:13] <alex_mayorga> never realized there was "blood" in there
[03:13] <wastrel> are there backgrounds on my system somewhere?
[03:14] <wastrel> warty-final-ubuntu.png
[03:17] <mcquaid> a question about wubi, it currently says in the faqs that you cannot install it yet, in your remaining harddisk space
[03:17] <mcquaid> I thought the whole point was to install in your existing win part and not have to partition?
[03:32] <Linuturk> mcquaid: maybe they mean unpartitioned space . . . ?
[03:33] <mcquaid> yes they could mean that
[03:35] <RyanPrior> I'm having trouble uploading photos to Facebook. Firefox says "Start: applet not initialized" and just shows a grey box where the upload area should be. Does anybody else have it working?
[03:41] <Linuturk> well, that's your problem. You're using Facebook ;p
[03:41] <alex_mayorga> RyanPrior, file a bug to facebook :)
[03:43] <RyanPrior> lol, it's obviously a Java problem though.
[03:43] <RyanPrior> It worked in Gutsy, so something about Firefox 3 or the latest Java is screwed up.
[03:51] <bazhang> others have reported that--the jre5 and 6 not working--though a dev said that if you install icedtea7 that fixes it RyanPrior
[03:51] <bazhang> first uninstalling the others of course
[03:52] <RyanPrior> bazhang: I did install icedtea7, but did not uninstall the others.
[03:52] <bazhang> aha
[03:52] <RyanPrior> Do I uninstall everything java-related and start from scratch?
[03:53] <bazhang> not sure--he said to just uninstall the jre5 or 6 (depending on what you use) RyanPrior
[04:00] <AtomicSpark> hai
[04:03] <hdevalence> I have some questions about 'wubi'. According to an ars technica article I read, it lets you install without repartitioning. The two questions I have are: can you access the files on your install from Windows, and can you access other files on your Windows from the ubuntu?
[04:04] <alex_mayorga> reading from ubuntu the windows files is native, not sure the other way around
[04:04] <alex_mayorga> ubuntu can read NTFS
[04:04] <AtomicSpark> 1. no (unless you install 3rd party software on windows to see linux file systems) 2. yes.
[04:05] <AtomicSpark> wait. how does it store it? is it a big image?
[04:05] <Burnninator> is there a known issue with hardy and touchpads?
[04:05] <ethana2> can you boot into it from grub?
[04:05] <Burnninator> my touchpad freezes up until i push a key on the keyboard
[04:05] <Burnninator> it is very random
[04:05] <Linuturk> sounds like a funky driver or config . . .
[04:06] <hdevalence> yeah, it's not actually for me, it's for someone else who's been considering trying x/k/ubuntu
[04:06] <Burnninator> Linuturk, you refering to my quesion?
[04:06] <Linuturk> sry, yes Burnninator :)
[04:06] <Burnninator> do you have any suggestions?
[04:07] <Linuturk> Burnninator: just random speculation
[04:07] <Burnninator> hmm
[04:07] <hdevalence> their main issues are that they don't have good read access for ext2/3 on windows and they're skeptical of ntfs support in Linux
[04:08] <Linuturk> hdevalence: there is a great ext2/3 driver for windows, that works great
[04:08] <Linuturk> hdevalence: google ext2 windows
[04:09] <Burnninator>  i switched from gutsy because i couldn't put the laptop to sleep, and now i cant get the touchpad to work properly
[04:09] <hdevalence> Linuturk: there are a couple, apparently she tried one and had a bad time with it
[04:09] <Linuturk> Burnninator: I've had a shutdown reboot issue since gutsy :)
[04:10] <RAOF> We should totally put that in the /topic: "Do *not* install Hardy if you want to fix something in Gutsy".
[04:10] <Linuturk> http://www.fs-driver.org/ hdevalence
[04:10] <Burnninator> it was a last resort
[04:10] <RAOF> Burnninator: You may need to mess with /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:10] <Burnninator> it was that or downgrade to fiesty
[04:10] <Linuturk> heh, backup before you "mess" with xorg.conf Burnninator
[04:11] <RAOF> Linuturk: Nah.  If something breaks, just "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf-backup".
[04:11] <hdevalence> ah, thank you.
[04:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> anyone with nv gf8600m can share the xorg.conf? mine seems to be configured incorrectly
[04:12] <Linuturk> RAOF: I like to do that before I play around with it :)
[04:12] <Linuturk> cept, a cp
[04:12] <RAOF> Whereas now moving it out of the way can unbreak X :)
[04:12] <Linuturk> o yeah, bulletproof in hardy RAOF ?
[04:12] <RAOF> But if you've got a synaptics touchpad our new super-autodetect X doesn't add the SHMConfig option, so gsynaptics (and userspace touchpad config tools in general) won't work.
[04:13] <RAOF> Linuturk: Not bulletproof (that was in Gutsy, actually), but proper auto-detect.
[04:13] <Linuturk> ah, so what would i add for my synampitcs toupad RAOF ?
[04:13] <RAOF> Linuturk: Unless you're using a binary blob (or dvorak keyboard layout :)) you should be able to go without xorg.conf.
[04:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, xorg didn't detect my touchpad at all
[04:14] <hdevalence> Linuturk: thanks for the advice!
[04:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> have to manually add it
[04:14] <RAOF> Linuturk: Well, the xorg.conf that dpkg-reconfigure generates should have a section for your touchpad (we don't write empty xorg.conf yet).  Just add the Option "SHMConfig" "true" to that section.
[04:15] <RAOF> [Hardy]TuTUXG: File a bug? :)
[04:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, i already fix it...
[04:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, and that was with alpha 4
[04:16] <RAOF> [Hardy]TuTUXG: But does it work out of the box?
[04:16] <Linuturk> lol, RAOF, the default xorg is very sparse in hardy lol
[04:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, at that time, it didnt, with my new thinkpad t61p and the alternative cd
[04:17] <RAOF> [Hardy]TuTUXG: It'd be good if you could test that with a newer livecd.  If it doesn't work out of the box, file a bug so we can fix it :)
[04:17] <Linuturk> RAOF: what happened to all the wacom stuff?
[04:17] <Burnninator> im gunna restart x real quick
[04:18] <RAOF> Linuturk: We may be autodetecting it correctly now?
[04:18] <RAOF> I dunno.
[04:18] <Linuturk> so, run dpkg-reconfigure xorg ?
[04:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, sure, i probly gonna test it when beta out, and i fixed it easily just add few lines
[04:18] <RAOF> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Yeah.  Which means that it should be easy to fix :)
[04:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> right
[04:19] <RAOF> It'd be nice if you could test it before then, but not critical ;)
[04:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ill try after next week (midterm) ;P
[04:20] <Linuturk> lol, RAOF the dpkg configured xorg is identical to the first
[04:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, ya, that was happened to me when i tried it couple weeks ago
[04:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, do u have usb mouse plugin?
[04:21] <Linuturk> HAH, yes I do [Hardy]TuTUXG
[04:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> unplug it and restart x and try again
[04:22] <Linuturk> k
[04:22] <Linuturk> brb
[04:24] <Linuturk> [Hardy]TuTUXG: still the same LOL
[04:25] <Burnninator> didn't work
[04:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, well, then i dont know what to do..
[04:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, what lap u have?
[04:25] <Linuturk> Toshiba R15-S822
[04:26] <Burnninator> toshiba A135-S2246 is what i have
[04:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, i can share my xorg.conf with u if u want but it's a thinkpad ;P
[04:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so the touchpad just doesnt work at all?
[04:26] <Linuturk> o, it works, but I don't have the fancy side scrolling stuff
[04:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> oh, u can add those manually
[04:27] <Burnninator> mine seems to freeze when the hard drive is being accessed, and it only seems to unfreeze when i push a key on the keyboard
[04:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk,  and RAOF is right, if u want to use something like gsynaptics u need add the option SHMConfig
[04:29] <alex_mayorga> by the way, gsynaptic doesn't work, right?
[04:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not if u add that option in xorg.conf
[04:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not if u *dont* add that option in xorg.conf
[04:30] <alex_mayorga> what's the supported GUI for that now?
[04:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> for synaptic?
[04:31] <alex_mayorga> yes, to configure my touchpad?
[04:31] <Linuturk> well, it's using the "mouse" driver
[04:31] <Linuturk> mine* is
[04:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> if u dont have the SHMConfig option, none of the gui would work
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> is that on purpose?
[04:32] <alex_mayorga> shouldn't it "just work"?
[04:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> idont know, most likely a bug
[04:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> well, with the mouse module, it works
[04:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> just not fully work
[04:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, http://pastebin.com/m7e2c9f97
[04:36] <Linuturk> heh
[04:36] <Linuturk> o well, I'll just wait for a few more releases
[04:37] <Linuturk> heh
[04:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, come on, it's not that complicated
[04:39] <Linuturk> I know, but I'm lazy
[04:39] <Linuturk> I might go back to arch so I don't have this dang reboot problem
[04:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> make sure u change the severlayout section, module section and add inputdevice for touchpad
[04:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what reboot problem u have?
[04:41] <Linuturk> well, it seems to happen at random when I 1) reboot 2) shutdown 3) or kill X
[04:41] <Linuturk> my machine locks up hard, and my fan kicks on high gear
[04:42] <Linuturk> and it stays that way until I force shutdown by holding down the button
[04:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's wired
[04:42] <Linuturk> does it with ACPI on and off
[04:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> dmesg?
[04:43] <Linuturk> I can give you one right now, but I can't get one after it locks up, b/c it's . . . locked up
[04:43] <joshmoz_> I have an IBM T43 with a synaptics touchpad, I'm wondering why the option to disable tap-clicking is no longer in the mouse control panel as of hardy-alpha-5. Is there a new way to configure that behavior?
[04:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> if that only happens sometime, it must relate to something u were running
[04:44] <Linuturk> gnome term . . .
[04:44] <Linuturk> lol
[04:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[04:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, u dont like tap-clicking?
[04:44] <joshmoz_> no, I want to turn it off
[04:45] <joshmoz_> I accidentally click on stuff all the time
[04:45] <Linuturk> http://pastebin.com/m5d24a2cd << [Hardy]TuTUXG see anything?
[04:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, no..
[04:46] <Linuturk> lol
[04:46] <Linuturk> see?
[04:46] <Linuturk> curious problem
[04:46] <Linuturk> hasn
[04:46] <Linuturk> hasn't happened in arch yet
[04:47] <Linuturk> but, happens in cli and X
[04:47] <Linuturk> I have traced it to the actual reboot command in debian cli
[04:47] <Linuturk> shutdown -r didn't do it
[04:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, add: Option         "TapButton1" "0" ; Option         "TapButton2" "0"; Option         "TapButton0" "0", under ur touchpad section of xorg.conf
[04:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, make sure to make a backup of xorg.conf first
[04:48] <joshmoz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG: doesn't it seem like something of a regression that before I had a nice easy checkbox to hit and now I'm back to editing xorg.conf?
[04:48] <joshmoz_> I was so happy that ubuntu got me away from all of that :)
[04:49] <bazhang> well this is alpha
[04:49] <Linuturk> joshmoz_: we are still alpha
[04:49] <Linuturk> lol
[04:49] <joshmoz_> should I perhaps file a bug that the option is not there?
[04:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, um.. since it's still alpha, im afraid it's the most efficient way... for me at least
[04:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, i don't think it's a bug
[04:50] <joshmoz_> why do you think it is not a bug?
[04:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, maybe becuz the new kernel?
[04:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, by default, u dont have that much options within xorg.conf
[04:51] <nhaines> joshmoz_: Go ahead and file a bug.
[04:51] <joshmoz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG: the UI is there and it works fine by default in stable ubuntu
[04:52] <nhaines> joshmoz_: Just promise me you'll search for a pre-existing bug first.  ;)
[04:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, ok, ok, file a bug, im not really that expert ;P
[04:52] <joshmoz_> nhaines: been doing that for 15 minutes, nothing
[04:53] <Linuturk> [Hardy]TuTUXG: well, arch is cutting edge, but alpha hardy should be cutting edge too, right?
[04:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, it has something to do with the SHMConfig option
[04:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, ya... i dont know...
[04:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i am not expert~~
[04:53] <joshmoz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG: right, I tried to install a trackpad control panel, it worked but I can't open the panel because it complains about SHMConfig
[04:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, so when u file a bug, search for SHMConfig not turned on by default, if it already exit, then u dont need to file another one
[04:55] <Linuturk> [Hardy]TuTUXG: 2.6.24-ARCH and 2.6.24-8-generic Ubuntu hardy
[04:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Linuturk, or something to do with gterm?
[04:56] <P2502> how to make gterm to use specified (saved) window size?
[04:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> P2502, u have to edit the launcher
[04:57] <joshmoz_> nhaines, [Hardy]TuTUXG: looks like bug 155937
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155937 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "SHMConfig should be enabled by default, and gsynaptics should be installed by default on laptops" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155937
[04:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> P2502, something like： gnome-terminal --geometry=130x35+100+200
[04:58] <P2502> [Hardy]TuTUXG: thanks
[04:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> np
[04:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> joshmoz_, so it's a bug
[04:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> confirmed
[05:01] <Linuturk> o great
[05:01] <Linuturk> it's tomorrow
[05:01] <Linuturk> I've got to work now
[05:01] <Linuturk> arg
[05:01] <Linuturk> I better go to bed
[05:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nite
[05:26] <AtomicSpark> anyone having network card issues?
[05:27] <bazhang> which card?
[05:28] <AtomicSpark> anyone that kvm/qemu can emulate lol.
[06:02] <budmang> Hey guys just installed alpha 5 over my osx install(toshiba sattellite laptop).
[06:03] <budmang> Ekgia softphone and idefisk wont see my outbound speakers etc... any ideas?
[06:03] <budmang> sounds etc.. play flash etc.. works.
[06:16] <heret1c> h'm - much hd activity, 100% cpu
[06:21] <Nuke_> why might gnome-listen play sound via /dev/audio if gstreamer is set to use PulseAudio via gstreamer-properties?
[06:21] <Nuke_> (its a gstreamer app)
[06:25] <dfgas> is there a iso of hardy heron?
[06:26] <Tronic> dfgas: Install Gutsy and upgrade. It is only a couple of clicks.
[06:26] <dfgas> ahh
[06:26] <dfgas> i wanted to check out the new thing to install in windows, heh
[06:26] <Tronic> But be aware that Hardy is very broken. You will often have trouble installing something, segfaults, etc.
[06:27] <dfgas> yah i know
[06:27] <dfgas> still alpha, heh, its all good
[06:28] <heret1c> :~$ uptime
[06:28] <heret1c>  07:32:49 up 1 day, 20 min
[06:28] <travisat> is vlc currently broke?
[06:28]  * heret1c is impressed
[06:29] <heret1c> travisat: runs here.
[06:29] <travisat> interesting I can't get any video in it, totem works just fine, I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling, and I don't see any bug reports about it
[06:55] <alex_mayorga> what's the LoCo coordination channel?
[06:59] <heret1c> alex_mayorga: jesuits?
[07:00] <alex_mayorga> heret1c: ??
[07:02] <heret1c> well they have to be _somewhere_, don't they? 8)
[07:03] <heret1c> oh look, they forgot to put a "home" icon inff3!
[07:17]  * heret1c tips hat at Assid
[07:18] <savvas> hm..
[07:18] <heret1c> got rid of the intruder?
[07:18] <Assid> well
[07:18] <Assid> he took what he wanted
[07:18] <savvas> did anyone else notice that the software sources package is missing in alpha 5?
[07:19] <Assid> im hoping he didnt come back
[07:19] <Assid> problem is i dont know whats using mybandwith again this time.. cause we made soo many changes to the boc
[07:19] <Assid> if its genuine traffic or what
[07:19] <heret1c> savvas: sources.list?
[07:20] <savvas> heret1c: i'm not having a problem with sources, but the software-properties-gtk was not installed by default :)
[07:20] <heret1c> Assid: etherape?
[07:20] <Assid> traffic usage went up and down already
[07:21] <heret1c> savvas: ah I run kubuntu.
[07:23] <alex_mayorga> !loco
[07:23] <ubotu> Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[07:27] <savvas> heret1c: everything ok with adept there right?
[07:28] <heret1c> savvas:  hunky dory.
[07:29]  * heret1c uses synapyic and apt, mostly.
[07:29] <heret1c> synaptic
[07:30] <P2502> omg adobe implementing DRM in flash to disallow copy of flash videos
[07:30] <heret1c> libmac is slow in coming.
[07:30]  * heret1c can't play his hifi "ape" files yet .(
[07:31] <heret1c> P2502: that's the death of flash, ten?
[07:32] <heret1c> I assume that means "digital rights management" or sumpn.
[07:32] <P2502> i had read some news about implementing drm in linux also
[07:32] <P2502> ya
[07:33] <heret1c> P2502: bet it'd be de-implemented rather fastish (by private initiative) 8)
[07:34] <heret1c> isn't linux supposed to be anathema to establishment?
[07:35] <P2502> this is what Stallman talks about, but i doubt about that
[07:35] <P2502> if its going mainstream it will just become another windows
[07:36] <P2502> with rich corporations like red hat leading development
[07:36] <P2502> and selling services
[07:37] <P2502> i'm heretic lol
[07:39] <heret1c> P2502: it's a matter of philosophy - bazar or cathedral. can't quite see lin going cat. .)
[07:40] <heret1c> do anyone else lack a "home" icon in ff3, btw?
[07:47] <grumpymole> heret1c: yes
[07:48] <grumpymole> heret1c: there is a fix - just trying to remember how I did it yesterday
[07:49] <heret1c> gryappreciated.
[07:51] <grumpymole> heret1c: you have to activate the bookmarks toolbar
[07:51] <grumpymole> then select customize and drag the home icon from there to the toolbar
[07:54] <grumpymole> heret1c: the home icon only appears in the customize list if you have the bookmarks toolbar checked/selected/active
[07:55] <heret1c> grumpymole: doesn't work here (kubuntu)
[07:56] <grumpymole> i remember it was simple in the end, but took a bit of filddling
[07:56] <grumpymole> will look around some more
[08:01] <grumpymole> heret1c: when you add the bookmarks toolbar, is there a home item in the toolbar?  if yes, then drag that to your button toolbar
[08:02] <heret1c> grumpymole:  nope. have installed other themes, don't show in ff. must be a path thing.
[08:02]  * heret1c investigates
[08:06] <grumpymole> heret1c: if you have mozgestures, apparently that interferes with this
[08:07] <grumpymole> heret1c: also check here:
[08:07] <grumpymole> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=627967&sid=0d8f5c990ec63351338f4f2d2a761358
[08:10] <heret1c> ah, that ficed it ta .)
[08:12] <s0u][ight> hi ugys
[08:22] <P2502> still no fix for wine in repo?
[08:31] <heret1c> ! wine
[08:31] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[08:34] <P2502> heret1c: i just decided to use deb from winehq
[08:34] <P2502> but it is not newest
[08:34]  * heret1c looks oot - sunshine!
[08:35] <heret1c> P2502: prudent to wait until it surfaces in the hardy repos, dontcha think?
[08:37] <P2502> another broken one?
[08:39] <heret1c>  .. or install gutsy. 8)
[08:40]  * heret1c can't quite see the wisdom of adding beta sw (ff) to an alpha os (hh).
[08:42] <P2502> gutsy livecd randomly chooses 1024x768 or correct 1680x1050 res for me :)
[08:42] <P2502> never know what will happen
[08:53] <savvas> Reinstallation of xserver-xorg is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[08:53] <savvas> meh
[08:53] <savvas> I should've kept my old xorg.conf
[08:53] <savvas> oh well :P
[09:06] <kristjan_> any news about kde4 hardy herdon cd? Then can we dl it?
[09:06] <Habbie> is openssh-server on the heron alpha5 server iso?
[09:07] <henkjan> Habbie: your first challenge is to boot from hardy cd :)
[09:07] <Habbie> why? is alpha5 broken, bootwise? :)
[09:08] <savvas> some dependency problems but other than that, ok
[09:09] <henkjan> don't know about alpha5, booting from cd with alpha4 was broken an many systems
[09:09] <henkjan> The kernel in Alpha 5 is unable to access CD-ROM devices in some configurations, which means some users who were previously able to install Ubuntu will not be able to install this alpha from CD media. As a workaround, users can boot the installer with the additional "all_generic_ide" boot option. https://launchpad.net/bugs/181561
[09:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181561 in linux "Hardy alpha 2/3/4 daily-live i386 don't boot" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[09:10] <Habbie> henkjan, oh, alpha4 worked for me
[09:10] <Habbie> and if it hadn't, i would've found out about that flag quickly, have had lots of cdrom/ide troubles with ubuntu in the past
[09:13] <savvas> ah there we go.. my main root of problems: rs.archive.ubuntu.com - it wasn't updated :P
[09:13] <P2502> wine randomize which apps work with it with every release
[09:14] <Sebastian> Installation from both normal and alternate Hardy Alpha 5 CD worked fine here on both my notebook and inside VMware.
[09:14]  * heret1c wonders if blacklisting libata will re-enable dma on his ide hd
[09:15] <savvas> Sebastian: apt-cache policy bash-completion software-properties-gtk
[09:15] <heret1c> /dev/sda:
[09:15] <heret1c>  IO_support    =  0 (default 16-bit)
[09:15] <heret1c>  readonly      =  0 (off)
[09:15] <heret1c>  readahead     = 256 (on)
[09:16] <savvas> Sebastian: does Installed: say (none) ?
[09:17] <savvas> hm.. I think the problems with dependencies are localised for some archive mirrors
[09:17] <Sebastian> savvas:
[09:17] <Sebastian> http://phpfi.com/298736
[09:20] <Mohero|W1rk> Hi all
[09:21] <savvas> de
[09:21] <savvas> hm..
[09:21] <Mohero|W1rk> bored savvas?
[09:21] <Mohero|W1rk> any devs awake at the moment?
[09:22] <savvas> Sebastian: a german guy reported that software-properties-gtk wasn't installed as well (aka "Software Sources")
[09:22] <Mohero|W1rk> I reported bug #195260 and would like to discuss with *someone*
[09:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195260 in mailscanner "MailScanner won't start due to variable $FIELD_NAME" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195260
[09:23] <Mohero|W1rk> I head that software-properies-gtk wasn't installed on Alpha 5 - I can also confirm as I installed off the CD yesterday - it is however there if you go for the upgrade route to Alpha 5
[09:25] <savvas> Bug #162319
[09:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162319 in bash-completion "bash tab completion doesn't list postscript files for kpdf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162319
[09:26] <savvas> oops
[09:26] <savvas> Bug #195121
[09:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195121 in ubiquity "software-properties-gtk is not installed on Hardy Alpha 5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195121
[09:26] <Mohero|Work> Bug # 195260 has messed up my apt - and now I can't install any other apps :(
[09:30] <heret1c> pesky rotten silly libata%#*!
[09:30]  * heret1c fumes
[09:31] <savvas> Mohero|Work: sudo apt-get check
[09:31] <Sebastian> savvas: Thanks.
[09:33] <savvas> Mohero|Work: paste the output at http://pastebin.ca
[09:34] <savvas> www.gmail.com uses an invalid security certificate.
[09:34] <savvas> lol
[09:34] <Paladine> you know I have been getting that from a -lot- of sites over the last week
[09:35] <Paladine> am wondering if something is up with verisign or something
[09:35] <Paladine> either that or a lot of certs have run out around the same time
[09:36] <savvas> no idea, but it looks like https://mail.google.com works ok
[09:36] <savvas> redirection problems?
[09:37] <henkjan> Paladine: check your time/date
[09:37] <Paladine> my date/time are fine unfortunately
[09:38] <Mohero|Work> savvas: http://pastebin.ca/917361
[09:38] <Paladine> I wish they were wrong because they tell me I have a lecture in 80 minutes
[09:38] <Mohero|Work> I also apt-got amsn to show what happens when an app is installed aswell.
[09:42] <savvas> Mohero|Work: you installed mailscanner yourself, or it was installed as dependency?
[09:42] <savvas> Mohero|Work: this is kind of risky for breaking dependencies, but try: sudo dpkg -P mailscanner && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:43] <Mohero|Work> savvas: I installed myself - used it for years, and I know alot of others running mail servers that use it, so it's a worrying thought if it's going to break a server system on an LTS.
[09:44] <Mohero|Work> savvas: there's a bug in the package, which stops MailScanner from starting up.
[09:46] <Mohero|Work> savvas: no luck - http://pastebin.ca/917364
[09:47] <savvas> Mohero|Work: I saw the bug report, did you post that bug? if not, confirm it :) that would get the dev attention
[09:47] <Mohero|Work> avvas: yeah - I posted it....
[09:48] <Mohero|Work> *savvas: ^
[09:49] <Mohero|Work> it happened after doing an upgrade from 7.10, I thought maybe something had gone screwy with it then, so I installed fresh off the Alpha 5 iso - and got the same results
[09:49] <Mohero|Work> the package worked fine in 7.10
[09:49] <Mohero|Work> and I use it on my main mail server.
[09:51] <Sebastian> Anybody here use Hardy in VMware and got VMware's drivers to build? Tried to use http://rtr.ca/vmware-2.6.24/ to update the driver sources, but still no luck.
[09:51] <Habbie> Sebastian, i'm running hardy in vmware without any drivers, what purpose do they serve?
[09:52] <Sebastian> Habbie: Improved performance and interaction with the host (copy&paste, etc.).
[09:52] <Habbie> ah
[10:55] <HetaUma> hi
[10:55] <HetaUma> any ideas what does hardy heron stand for ?
[10:56] <elkbuntu> !hardy
[10:56] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[10:57] <heret1c> ! bug libata
[10:57] <heret1c> !bug libata
[11:08] <joerlend_> hello everyone. Could you check and see if you're able to use apturl with firefox in hardy? It doesn't seem to be working here.
[11:17] <heret1c> betattesting sw in alpha os seems a bit... odd to me.
[11:20] <heret1c> "financial catastrophe of biblical proportions".. wow. 8)
[11:20] <dencrypt> Can I see which (alpha) version of hardy I am running someway?
[11:20] <heret1c> kernel version?
[11:21] <dencrypt> no just to see if I have alpha 4 or 5... :)
[11:21] <heret1c> u can tell by kernel version, ususally.
[11:22] <dencrypt> what kernel is for 5?
[11:24] <P2502> 2.6.24-8
[11:24] <heret1c> 24-8, afaik
[11:24] <heret1c> 8)
[11:25] <heret1c> that bl''dy libata/ide/hdparm issue is affecting all distros - seems to be down to hw.
[11:26] <P2502> didnt you demonstrated correct speed for you new hdd?
[11:26] <heret1c> too slow.
[11:26] <P2502> or speed is now ok, but dma still disabled?
[11:27] <heret1c> /dev/sda:
[11:27] <heret1c>  Timing cached reads:   442 MB in  2.00 seconds = 220.78 MB/sec
[11:27] <heret1c>  Timing buffered disk reads:   62 MB in  3.06 seconds =  20.24 MB/sec
[11:28] <P2502> what is your cpu load when you copying file?
[11:28] <heret1c> cached should be 2x fatrer, in my book
[11:28] <heret1c> faster
[11:28] <heret1c> copying. hold on.
[11:28] <heret1c> hd > hd?
[11:29] <P2502> in same hdd
[11:30] <heret1c> haven't got any large files on the hd yet (it's 4 days old) - must copy from dvd
[11:31] <heret1c> ah - "they live" should do it. 8)
[11:32] <heret1c>  > 13MB/s copying file from dvd (usb2)
[11:34] <P2502> actually it seems something is broken in my system too, system monitor itself load cpu by 10%, and copying file made it to 40%. with dma enabled cpu load should be less than 5%, well... its just a linux lol :/
[11:35] <P2502> now system monitor itself uses 35%...
[11:35] <TheInfinity> hmm. how do i get information about which process access a specific file atm?
[11:36] <P2502> fuser
[11:37] <heret1c> get kcpuload
[11:38] <heret1c> it's idling around 10 here - going down to 4, up to 30ish.
[11:39] <savvas> dencrypt: < dencrypt> no just to see if I have alpha 4 or 5... :) <- if you update frequently, you have alpha 5
[11:39] <savvas> and alpha ++ lol
[11:39] <P2502> mmm what is cpu load when transferring from dvd?
[11:39] <P2502> but disabled dma on dvd-rom may make cpu load high also
[11:40] <heret1c> P2502:  yup, cpu is up to 100% while copying. 16-17 MB/s.
[11:40] <P2502> well dma definitely not working
[11:41] <savvas> bah, i hate the new name: ibex.. it should've been itchy iguana :P
[11:42] <P2502> heret1c: what is your cpu?
[11:43] <heret1c> w8
[11:43] <savvas> has anyone else noticed that the tracker search icon keeps pausing and starting?
[11:44] <P2502> it keep running when disabled
[11:44] <P2502> thats i noticed
[11:44] <heret1c> pentium m 1400MHz
[11:44] <heret1c> m/obile)
[11:44] <P2502> heret1c: nice cpu
[11:44] <savvas> mine is active, but pauses every second and every other second starts again
[11:45] <heret1c> P2502:  it's in a dell latitude which bios is 5 yrs old. :)
[11:45] <P2502> maybe its just animation?
[11:46] <dencrypt> savvas: I do. I just wanna confirm that it's been updated.
[11:48] <savvas> dencrypt: then the kernel was a good way to sort it out i think: $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-8-generic
[11:48] <savvas> linux-image-2.6.24-8-generic: Installed: 2.6.24-8.14
[11:49] <dencrypt> ah
[11:49] <dencrypt> then all is well
[11:49] <heret1c> running oolite in windowed mode, docked status. cpu is between 50 and 70.
[11:49] <dencrypt> though I run -7 since -8 just made the screen black after X starts
[11:51]  * heret1c bops P2502
[11:52] <P2502> what?
[11:52] <heret1c> no dma.
[11:53] <P2502> yeah
[11:53] <heret1c> scandal.
[11:54] <P2502> actually you mentioned thread on launchpad about this bug and someone managed to fix it by making custom kernel with disabled libata or so
[11:54] <heret1c> it surfaced between edgy and feisty, methinks.
[11:55] <P2502> is older ubuntu versions work?
[11:55] <P2502> *does
[11:55] <heret1c> dapper does.
[11:55] <heret1c> not sure about edgy
[11:55] <P2502> just build custom kernel
[11:55] <P2502> maybe it will be fixed
[11:58] <dencrypt> haha... I dropped my re-registration-form for my website down in my soup.
[11:58] <dencrypt> white paper is now yellow
[12:01] <heret1c> P2502:  u mean http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=678153&highlight=libata+hdparm ?
[12:03] <P2502> no, launchpad
[12:03] <heret1c> talking about the same thing.
[12:04] <ccooke> heret1c: Ah, you're here again
[12:04] <ccooke> heret1c: I did some research on that bug of yours
[12:04] <ccooke> http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined - have you seen this?
[12:04] <heret1c> 'lo ccooke - looking.
[12:06] <heret1c> ccooke:  interesting.
[12:07] <ccooke> heret1c: I'm posting to the LP bug with that and a request for people to try the workarounds
[12:07] <heret1c> ccooke:  go4it. :)
[12:08]  * heret1c foods
[12:09] <P2502> he said he have 20mb/s now, not 3
[12:13] <P2502> heret1c: so does it work?
[12:16] <ccooke> 110636 is the bug, by the way
[12:17] <ccooke> hmm. Odd. I tried assigning it to linux-source-2.6.24 (It's already assigned to .20 and .22), but it appears to have linked to "linux" instead.
[12:17] <ccooke> I wonder if I got something wrong in the interface?
[12:28] <qzio> isnt there a apt-ish command to force more custom configuration of a package?
[12:31] <Laney> dpkg-reconfigure?
[12:31] <savvas> anyone using x86_64/amd64? does your flash bind properly (by itself upon installation of flashplugin-nonfree) to firefox 3?
[12:32] <heret1c> P2502: ought that fix to go into the official kernel?
[12:33] <dencrypt> savvas: yes.
[12:34] <dencrypt> no wait. As I recall I had to downgrade one version to actually make it work. First I got just a gray colour over the flash-area.
[12:35] <savvas> well... here it says flash installed.. but it doesn't work in firefox :)
[12:36] <savvas> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[12:37] <dencrypt> hmm
[12:38] <heret1c> P2502: "combined_mode=ide" goes into menu.list on the kernel line?
[12:38] <dencrypt> that page doesn't work for me either. But youtube works.
[12:39] <savvas> nspluginwrapper: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so is not a valid NPAPI plugin
[12:40] <savvas> heh
[12:40] <dencrypt> savvas: to get full compability you probably have to install 32bit-version of ff
[12:41] <savvas> or firefox 2? :p
[12:41] <dencrypt> Yeah, but then you still won't have java :)
[12:44] <savvas> hah
[12:44] <savvas> wrong file
[12:50] <P2502> heret1c:  oh i was away, ya try menu.lst
[12:52] <heret1c> P2502: will. have a few things cooking, must w8 a bit.
[12:55] <savvas> dencrypt: wrong, it works when i bind it manually, bug #195422
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195422 in flashplugin-nonfree "hardy heron 8.04 alpha 5 - flash not installed correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195422
[12:55] <Mohero|Work> savvas: thanks for your help earlier, I now have a working MailScanner and working apt :)
[12:56] <savvas> Mohero|Work: the unstable from debian sid?
[12:56] <Mohero|Work> savvas: yep.
[12:56] <savvas> great :)
[12:57] <Mohero|Work> been on Linux for a little over 10 years now, and I think it's absolutly wonderful, but... when it breaks.... generally it REALLY breaks...
[12:58] <Dr_willis> Gee - ive always found that more true for windows then linux.
[12:58] <savvas> you're using unstable releases, with which everyone will bleed once or twice :)
[12:58] <Mohero|Work> I think it's true for anything
[12:59] <Dr_willis> I have some C64's that are still going strong. :)
[12:59] <Mohero|Work> I think the worst one was the run up to 7.04 (?) when a kernel update stopped anyone with a SATA drive from booting - that was about 2 weeks before release. that was slightly ammusing...
[13:01] <savvas> there was one with a broken kernel also for 7.04 if i'm correct
[13:03] <Mohero|Work> well, I always have a backup of the kernel that works anyway - and after release I rarely run the default kernel, I normally build my own, making it machine specific, I've managed to cut the boot time of my system in half doing that
[13:05] <bazhang> nice
[13:05] <heret1c> nh
[13:06] <Mohero|Work> I still like the Gentoo colored console, and would LOVE for that to be on the Ubuntu kernels.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> i always disable the framebuffer and other eyecandy. :)
[13:07] <Mohero|Work> well, the Gentoo console colours makes some tasks much easier on the eye...
[13:07] <Mohero|Work> and I enable frame buffer - to get 1280x1024 out of my screen in console :)
[13:08] <heret1c> oi doc
[13:08] <Dr_willis> i recall ageas ago when gentoo was new. a 'trick' to make installing faster.. disable the framebuffer. :) on the machines at the time. that gave a big speed boots. heh.
[13:08] <heret1c> Dr_willis: http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined
[13:08] <Mohero|Work> yeah, it does... with machines the speed they are now though.... not a big difference :)
[13:09] <savvas> this is the 90's homesick commitee? :p
[13:09] <void^> there's still a huge speed boost if all you have is a vesa framebuffer
[13:09] <Dr_willis> heret1c,  you are obsessed with hard drives arent you. :)
[13:09] <repete> Anyone know when "connect to server" will be implemented?
[13:10] <Dr_willis> connect to what server? :)
[13:10] <repete> afaict Ubuntu is moving away from gnome-vfs (using gio?), but I cannot seem to find any solid information on how it should work now
[13:10] <repete> I want to have a link to a webdav share
[13:10] <awalton__> repete, someone is actually workoing on it
[13:10] <awalton__> but it's not done yet, and webdav isn't either.
[13:11] <repete> awalton__: we have passed feature freeze.  Does that mean it will not be in Hardy?
[13:11] <awalton__> GNOME has a standing freeze exception
[13:11] <repete> that's good :-)
[13:12] <repete> awalton__: do you know of any alternatives in the meantime?
[13:12] <awalton__> that's probably a good question, but I certainly don't.
[13:12] <awalton__> I've heard of people using FUSE for FTP, but I don't know if a FUSE backend for WebDAV exists.
[13:13] <repete> I believe it does... Will have to look at that
[13:13] <repete> thx
[13:13] <awalton__> welcome
[13:13] <savvas> hey, what happened to the connect to... in places?
[13:13] <repete> fusedav
[13:14] <savvas> Couldn't display "network:///"
[13:14] <savvas> meh
[13:14] <Pici> savvas: known bug
[13:15] <savvas> Pici: know the number?
[13:15] <Pici> bug 185756
[13:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185756 in gvfs "Couldn't display "network:///" - Nautilus cannot handle network:locations" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185756
[13:15] <savvas> thanks :)
[13:15] <hit> same thing here
[13:17] <savvas> Pici: so I can't create a link to an sftp account?
[13:17] <Pici> You can just go to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:18] <heret1c> pici> seen http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined ?
[13:19] <awalton__> savvas, I just committed that code over the past week, it's probably not in ubuntu yet.
[13:20] <Pici> "GNOME 2.21.92 is scheduled for Thursday, do I'd say a day or so before that."
[13:20] <savvas> awalton__: ah great, I will be able to save and retrieve passwords again in seahorse right?
[13:20] <Pici> heret1c: I havent, but interesting.
[13:21] <awalton__> savvas, sounds like a different issue altogether, but they did just add gnome-keyring support to gvfs so hopefully.
[13:21] <savvas> yay :)
[13:22] <savvas> I really loved to click to places and choose my remote account
[13:23] <Dr_willis> i tend to use the various fuse type tools more and more for that stuff. :)
[13:25] <Assid> anyone know how to simulate a AUTH LOGIN and AUTH CRAM-MD5 for smtp ?
[15:14] <savvas> is it a known bug that time-admin is not working?
[15:15] <nemo> time-admin ?
[15:15] <savvas> hm..
[15:15] <Skiessi> tell me some 2d multiplayer games
[15:15] <savvas> which app starts with "set system time" ?
[15:16] <nemo> savvas: no, I mean I thought that worked
[15:16] <nemo> sshing into my Hardy machine now to check
[15:16] <nemo> Skiessi: globulation, wesnoth
[15:16] <savvas> ok
[15:16] <Skiessi> not turn-based
[15:16] <Skiessi> globulation is just too odd
[15:17] <savvas> i press "set system time" in time settings and it just closes time settings
[15:17] <nemo> oh. now you're inventing parameters
[15:17] <nemo> I like globulation
[15:17] <nemo> savvas: interesting
[15:17] <nemo> savvas: unlock button greyed out?
[15:17] <nemo> presumably due to screwup in tagging buttons that require admin privs?
[15:18] <savvas> hm hold a sec
[15:18] <nemo> that's odd though. still does that when I launch with sudo
[15:18] <nemo> hmph
[15:18] <nemo> of course. gnome apps sometimes play badly with ssh -Y :(
[15:22] <savvas> grrr
[15:23] <savvas> nemo: i think it's not time-admin, when you right click on the clock applet -> adjust time & date -> set system time
[15:23] <savvas> bah i can't find the name of app
[15:24] <nemo> savvas: that is time-admin
[15:24] <nemo> savvas: and yes, seems to be acting oddly
[15:25] <budmang> Hey guys, IntelHDA sound. Everything works desktop/audio/mp3/flash sound wise. I cannot get a voip client(zoiper, kix, ekiga) too see an output option. any simple fixes? Should I upgrade my alsa?
[15:26] <savvas> nemo: ah ok, if it's ran with gksu the unlock button is greyed out
[15:26] <nemo> yep
[15:26] <nemo> or sudo
[15:26] <savvas> without gksu, plain time-admin works
[15:27] <Mohero|Work> budmang: i'd keep alsa to the repo's I'm using the IntelHDA Driver on an Nvidia chipset, I can have a look when I get home.
[15:27] <nemo> and doesn't work at all remotely without sudo
[15:27] <nemo> I hate gnome apps :(
[15:27] <DanaG> ssh -X -Y?
[15:27] <nemo> DanaG: -X is redundant
[15:27] <DanaG> What's the difference between X and Y, anyway?
[15:28] <nemo> but ssh -Y right
[15:28] <budmang> Mohero|Work: what kinda laptop?
[15:28] <nemo> DanaG: privileges
[15:28] <Mohero|Work> budmang have you tried wengophone?
[15:28] <nemo> DanaG: man ssh ;)
[15:28] <budmang> Mohero|Work: my USB headsets work fine in all of the listed apps, its just the onboard not working.
[15:28] <Mohero|Work> budmang: not a laptop - high end desktop though upgrading Alsa out of the repo's could mess other things up.
[15:28] <budmang> but I have not tried it.
[15:29] <DanaG>      -Y      Enables trusted X11 forwarding.  Trusted X11 forwardings are not subjected to the X11 SECURITY extension controls.
[15:29] <DanaG> Okay, but what are the "X11 SECURITY" extension controls?
[15:29] <Mohero|Work> budmang: ok, might be a flag for the onboard, I can have a look when I get home...
[15:29] <budmang> Okay. it is a laptop. Ill be on let me know.
[15:30] <budmang> One, or 2 other wierd bugs :). the battery meter doesn't seem to refresh the percentage until the power cord is pushed in or out(not really a big deal but works in 7.10)
[15:30] <nemo> DanaG: #ubuntu+1 is the place for JFGI-worthy info? :)
[15:30] <Mohero|Work> budmang: it gives me an excuse to set up my voip service - which I've been finding excuses not to do for about a year now ;)
[15:31] <nemo> DanaG: http://www.google.com/search?q=X11+SECURITY+extension
[15:31] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/177570   --- fixed, but now causes this:
[15:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Fix released]
[15:31] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/194052\
[15:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194052 in gnome-power-manager "gpm does not create the correct profiling files" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:32] <Mohero|Work> budmang: that might be specific to a chipset driver on your laptop, my laptop is refreshing, I use the battery meter quite a lot, I had an issue where it had 4 meters (on 2 batteries) but they all read differently, which made it amusing trying to work out how much remaining power there was....
[15:32] <DanaG> oopsie, I accidentally hit backslash at the end of that URL.
[15:32] <budmang> Ha, its never been an issue with this laptop with other versions of ubuntu odd.
[15:33] <simion314> hi, can i use .deb packages from gutsy? are applications that have not packages for hardy so can i get them from gutsy?(i assume any risk)
[15:33] <Mohero|Work> simion314 what packages?
[15:34] <simion314> <Mohero|Work: xine, vmware-server and other
[15:34] <Mohero|Work> simion314: you can install .debs from anywhere, as long as you're aware of versions - really check to see if there is a package for it, because it could mess with the repo's when you try to install something else from them and the version you have differs.
[15:35] <Mohero|Work> vmware-server normally comes into the repo's at the last moment (and sometimes after) - so that's a "watch this space" thing. Xine - I couldn't tell you - I don't really use it.
[15:36] <simion314> Mohero|Work: but how i can do that? can i add gutsy repositories in my repositories list?
[15:36] <Mohero|Work> simion314: no no no !!!!
[15:37] <Mohero|Work> download the .deb file, then "sudo dpkg -i {yourpackage}.deb"
[15:37] <DanaG> gdebi works, too.
[15:37] <DanaG> Just double-click the deb file in Gnome.
[15:37] <Mohero|Work> DanG: true - i'm a bit old school for most of the gui's :)
[15:38] <Mohero|Work> * DanaG ^^
[15:38] <simion314> i am thinking to read more about installing from source code on linux,  i am afraid that i can't undo those installation, it would be nice a tool like total uninstaler in case something will not work do completly remove the program
[15:39] <Mohero|Work> simion314: it will be easier to undo an install from a .deb than it will from source code ;)
[15:40] <heret1c> brb (hopefully)
[15:41] <nemo> simion314: aye. that's the thing that frustrates me about .rpm and .deb products
[15:41] <nemo> making your own packages from the source specs
[15:41] <savvas> Bug #191471
[15:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191471 in gnome-panel "Set System Time crashes Time Settings" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191471
[15:41] <nemo> simion314: gentoo makes it waaaaay easier to create a managed source-based package
[15:41] <savvas> I don't get it, there is no crash report
[15:41] <simion314> Mohero|Work: i know that but the problem is that i want to use some programs that are not packaged(or the latest version is not packaged) i know to install the programs but i don't know how to remove the changes
[15:42] <nemo> simion314: I usually just install under $HOME if possible, and don't erase the actual build dir to make "make clean" easier
[15:42] <DanaG> Put stuff in /usr/local, perhaps.
[15:42] <Mohero|Work> nemo: Gentoo does do that - but keeping your system up to date is very hard to do... or at least, more work than ubuntu
[15:42] <DanaG> I do that when I compile git compiz-fusion.
[15:42] <nemo> Mohero|Work: naw.
[15:42] <nemo> Mohero|Work: I invest no more time in staying updated under gentoo than I do ubuntu
[15:43] <Mohero|Work> nemo: it depends what i'm updating, I've broken Gentoo a few too many times :)
[15:43] <nemo> DanaG: thing about /usr/local is you still need to install as root, and some system stuff gets put there
[15:43] <nemo> DanaG: that's why I prefer $HOME for my own junk. just to avoid mingling with the system managed stuff
[15:44] <DanaG> I haven't found anything system-managed in /usr/local.
[15:44] <DanaG> ANyway, I must go to class soon.  Bye.
[15:44] <nemo> DanaG: yeah. ubuntu is pretty good about that
[15:44] <nemo> but it does happen
[15:44] <Mohero|Work> is it just me or is gb.archive.ubuntu.com Hardy being incredibly slow!?
[15:44] <Mohero|Work> i'm down to about 1/6 of the speed I normally download from there at...
[15:44] <heret1c> back
[15:44] <simion314> nemo: but many programs install with sudo and i do not know where those programs copy all the files, i will learn how to package but i belive that i must read the entire install script to corectly make a .deb package , i refer  at dependencies and other details
[15:45] <Mohero|Work> front
[15:45] <squee> Is network manager broken for anyone else?
[15:45] <hydrogen> Mohero|Work: then one could assume that it's being slower than usual for you..
[15:45] <Mohero|Work> hydrogen: yeah, just wanted to see if anyone else see's it, it could be my ISP - they're cheep and nasty :)
[15:46] <nemo> simion314: programs that install with "sudo" are probably only doing this 'cause you specified on build a system location :-p
[15:46] <nemo> simion314: for example. what program are you building right now?
[15:47] <heret1c> h'm.
[15:47] <simion314> nemo i am thinking on mono
[15:47] <simion314> i upgradet to hardy for it
[15:47] <simion314> i want recent versions
[15:47] <nemo> ah
[15:48] <nemo> wow. there's a nightmarish one to be building from source
[15:48] <heret1c> drat.
[15:48] <nemo> what with its gac
[15:48] <nemo> and general fragility
[15:48] <hydrogen> yes
[15:48] <hydrogen> mono is pretty bad
[15:48] <simion314> usualy it should just copy some files in a folder and set some enviroment variables
[15:48] <heret1c> $ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/sda
[15:48] <heret1c> /dev/sda:
[15:48] <heret1c>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[15:48] <heret1c>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[15:49] <nemo> sdparm
[15:49] <nemo> not hdparm
[15:49] <nemo> what on earth would DMA do to a SCSI device? :)
[15:49] <nemo> or AHCI
[15:49] <heret1c> nemo> it's an ide hd
[15:50] <nemo> heret1c: are you sure? not AHCI?
[15:50] <nemo> heret1c: check your bios
[15:50] <nemo> if it says /dev/sda...
[15:50] <nemo> or SATA
[15:51] <simion314> is there a way to get a package with all dependencies from gutsy? if i try to download a package and try to install it will be missing other packages and i will have to download each of them and so one
[15:51] <nemo> not totally sure the AHCI thing would trigger use of the scsi interface frankly
[15:51] <nemo> might still do it for SATA
[15:52] <TheInfinity> simion314: most cases not because of dependencies on different versions of the same package
[15:53] <nemo> heret1c: anyway. still. if it is /dev/sdX you have to use sdparm
[15:54] <simion314> TheInfinity: and the solution is in the end to compile my own programs,
[15:54] <nemo> assuming the drive supports it
[15:54] <nemo> heret1c: or figure out a way to switch to the IDE code :-p
[15:54] <heret1c> nemo: hdparm -i /dev/sda: ...  Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-7 T13 1532D revision 0:  ATA/ATAPI-1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ... look like a scsi drive to u? 8)
[15:54] <simion314> can i cheat and make an installer or an install script to install without root
[15:55] <simion314> and place them in a folder in home and edit only my own enviroment
[15:55] <TheInfinity> simion314: or to wait until hardy is more stable
[15:55] <simion314> it will be easy to remove
[15:55] <nemo> heret1c: it may be an IDE drive
[15:55] <nemo> heret1c: but the INTERFACE is the linux scsi one
[15:55] <heret1c> nemo> Model=SAMSUNG HM080GC
[15:55] <nemo> s/IDE/ATA/
[15:55] <nemo> heret1c: I believe linux has always used SCSI for SATA.
[15:56] <simion314> TheInfinity yes  but always it will be a step behind mono witch is in development
[15:56] <budmang> Mohero|Work: freaking wierd, I half followed a ALAS forum upgrade last night. seems a reboot right now fixed it for zoiper at least.
[15:56] <nemo> heret1c: and I don't think using DMA on SATA is meaningful
[15:56] <budmang> it sees a bunch of surround#s dix default etc.. but it works :)
[15:56] <heret1c> hemo> hold on.
[15:56] <TheInfinity> simion314: if you need an absolute state of the art dirsto -> sidux or gentoo
[15:56] <simion314> and those guys only package as rpm
[15:56] <nemo> s/scsi/the scsi modules/
[15:56] <TheInfinity> always latest apps - and always lots of bugs ;)
[15:57] <nemo> TheInfinity: well. gentoo does allow you to set at what level to upgrade packages to :-p
[15:57] <nemo> TheInfinity: gentoo's main problem these days is lack of direction and maintenance.
[15:57] <TheInfinity> debian, too. sidux is your solution :)
[15:57] <nemo> TheInfinity: just noting that "always lots of bugs" is not accurate.
[15:58] <TheInfinity> nemo: perhaps because most ppl want to work and not to compile ... most gusys i know switched back to another disto because its really difficult to work with gentoo
[15:58] <savvas> it's weird that a window crashes and there is no /var/crash/ report
[15:59] <nemo> TheInfinity: been using it since '02 - some things are harder. some things are a lot easier
[15:59] <TheInfinity> hehe :)
[15:59] <nemo> TheInfinity: for a developer, gentoo has a lot of advantages
[15:59] <nemo> TheInfinity: for an admin with special requirements gentoo is also hugely advantageous
[15:59] <savvas> yeah, time is not one of them
[15:59] <savvas> :p
[16:00] <nemo> savvas: I spend less time these days updating my gentoo boxes than my ubuntu ones...
[16:00] <nemo> TheInfinity: I drove myself mad trying to setup a stable/maintainable setup under Fedora Core for a jabber server with various IMs hooked in
[16:00] <nemo> TheInfinity: ton of hand-managed RPMS. Fragile
[16:00] <nemo> TheInfinity: switched to Gentoo - was a breeze.
[16:01] <nemo> savvas: at the moment, my tally is 3 ubuntu, 5 gentoo, formerly 2 fedora core.
[16:01] <nemo> those have been ditched.
[16:01] <savvas> ouch
[16:02] <savvas> well i guess emerge does the trick :)
[16:02] <nemo> savvas: two of those gentoo boxes are a PI and PII laptop.
[16:02] <heret1c> ne seen http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined ?
[16:02] <nemo> savvas: one with 96MiB of memory, the other with 64MiB :)
[16:02] <heret1c>   mo>
[16:02] <savvas> nemo: you use crontab for your updates right? :p
[16:02] <nemo> savvas: naw.  I just don't update as frequently...
[16:02] <nemo> savvas: I like updating. is like a little christmas :)
[16:03] <nemo> savvas: I think crontab for updates on servers is a bad practice anyway
[16:03] <savvas> hehe ok
[16:03] <nemo> savvas: gentoo on ancient hardware seems counterintuitive. but is easier to blacklist memory hogs, and build packages with size optimisations.
[16:03] <savvas> nemo: I use it to notify me of updates, crontab + email :)
[16:04] <nemo> savvas: I could theoretically build binary packages for 'em on one of the servers, but I find it more entertaining to NFS mount /  :)
[16:04] <nemo> then build off server that way :D
[16:04] <savvas> kewl :P
[16:08] <heret1c> brb
[16:11] <budmang> Mohero|Work: did you catch that its some how fixed :) I half followed: http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690942
[16:14] <heret1c> erk that wasn't very sucessful.
[16:15] <Mohero|Work> budmang: excellent! guess I'll be finding excuses to not setup my voip service again then ;) :D
[16:16] <budmang> I cant have audio playing and zoiper see the sound but I can make do one or the other.
[16:17] <budmang> Is there anything to talk to mac users on ichat yet?
[16:19] <HydrogenF> a telephone.
[16:19] <Mohero|Work> budmang: yes, another Mac ;)
[16:19] <Mohero|Work> l0l @ HydrogenF - guess we're on the same lines then... :)
[16:19] <budmang> Lol I mean with video, I installed ubuntu over osx :)
[16:20] <Mohero|Work> with video - I doubt it.
[16:20] <bullgard4> I would like to install the DEB program package 'i2c-tools' in Gutsy. But this is only provided for Hardy. What do I have to obey that the installation and use in Gutsy will be successful?
[16:20] <muszek> hi
[16:20] <HydrogenF> You can't.
[16:21] <muszek> weird thing is happening to me
[16:21] <budmang> Touchpad horizontal scrolling :) any easy how-tos or quick fixes?
[16:21] <Mohero|Work> Muszek - Maybe you're in the wrong channel, unless you mean something weird is happening to your ubuntu install?
[16:21] <heret1c> muszek: start a club? 8)
[16:22] <muszek> I had gutsy and then installed debian etch on some other partition... so the grub menu was from debian.  I dist-upgraded gutsy to hardy... right now uname -a tells me "Linux bobek 2.6.22-14-generic "
[16:22] <Mohero|Work> bumang: have a look at synaptics driver for X the readme is far too long for me to look at while i'm err.... (pretending to) work...
[16:22] <budmang> Ha, where do you pretend to work @?
[16:22] <muszek> does that mean I'm running on gutsy's kernel?
[16:23] <Mohero|Work> budmang: oh, I work for an APL Development company - but I'm the IT guy, so I just pretend i'm looking at security fixes when I can't really be bothered to do much else....
[16:23] <Mohero|Work> i'm the IT Manager - so I CAN get away with it :P
[16:24] <Mohero|Work> muszek it would appear you're running Gutsy Kernel
[16:25] <Mohero|Work> muszek - did you compu your new kernels to the Debian/grub partition, and setup menu.lst there? you don't want it to do it automatically for you from there - it won't work - trust me
[16:25] <muszek> Mohero|Work: what's the best way to change it?  I was thinking of running the recovery mode and making grub boot from ubuntu partition once again
[16:25] <Mohero|Work> muzsek: s/compu/copy/
[16:26] <budmang> Mohero|Work: anyway to let multiple applications access the sound @ once? insert smart ass replies here :)
[16:28] <Mohero|Work> budmang: I don't think the IntelHDA has hardware mixing, so it's down to allowing Alsa to have enough channels, and the apps not taking them all up... I'm not sure I'll be of much help i'm afraid.
[16:29] <muszek> well... I guess I'll try what I said I will... cya guys
[16:30] <Mohero|Work> whoops - didn't see Muszeks comment - I guess he'll be back in a bit :)
[16:31] <budmang> Mohero|Work: I ran sudo apt-get remove --purge alsa-base alsa-tools so possibly im not using alsa ?
[16:33] <Mohero|Work> budmang: the howto: downloads Alsa from Alsa-project.org so you'll still be using it
[16:35] <budmang> I stopped after that uninstall line and passed out is what I mean :)
[16:35] <coz_> hey guys is java and wacom tablet driver working in hardy yet/
[16:35] <budmang> then just rebooted today, and my sound is working in the voip clients now(oddly enough).
[16:36] <Mohero|Work> ahh...
[16:37] <Mohero|Work> (sorry I have to get on with some work, and then I might go and buy a lottery ticket, as I just managed to pick a random number between 1 and 4^16 which was the same random number as someone else picked out of 40 people, so I guess my chances are up
[16:37] <Mohero|Work> back later :)
[16:41] <muszek> re
[16:41] <muszek> there's no recovery mode when you  boot up the CD (I used it like 2 years ago).  how to I "reinstall" grub?
[16:42] <budmang> lol
[16:42] <muszek> meaning it currently "runs" from debian's partition and I want it to use ubuntu one
[16:42] <heret1c> update-grub?
[16:42] <sn0> muszek im not sure this is a hardy question but you can use the recovering grub link on the wiki
[16:42] <muszek> sn0: the problem is that after dist-upgrading to hardy I'm still using gutsy kernel
[16:43] <sn0> for eg https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-9e881d9c5bd9a6de1c9b91c4ad388cdd131d0cea
[16:43] <Mohero|Work> muszek - you have grub, because you're booting.
[16:43] <sn0> muszek did you use the upgrade notes to upgrade to hardy?
[16:44] <muszek> sn0: that's probably what I'm looking for
[16:44] <muszek> thanks
[16:44] <sn0> To upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10, run "update-manager -d" using the update-manager package from Gutsy.
[16:44] <sn0> on the release notes for hardy alpha 5
[16:44] <Mohero|Work> the issue is you are not using a standard install, so you'll need to copy the info from the /boot/* and /boot/grub/menu.lst in your hardy install to the debian grub...
[16:44] <Mohero|Work> same as I have to do with my Gentoo grub install
[16:46] <muszek> sn0: yeah, that's how I've done it
[16:46] <muszek> Mohero|Work: but this way I'll have to do it after every kernel upgrade, right?
[16:47] <sn0> strange that you would have the old kernel-image muszek , are you sure your sources.list is correct? verify that and then try reinstalling the "linux-image" package which should install <IP_ADDRESS>.8
[16:48] <Mohero|Work> muszek yes you will, you really won't want it to do it automatically if you boot another linux on the same box
[16:48] <muszek> sn0: sorry, I skipped the first part of the story  (wrote it 15 minutes ago).  I had gutsy, then installed etch on another partition (it's overwritten the bootloader) and then I dist-upgraded gutsy to hardy
[16:48] <heret1c> reboot
[16:49] <sn0> muszek you keep saying dist-upgrade but thats not the same as update-manager -d, etch wont stop the kernel in hardy being installed
[16:49] <sn0> maybe your upgrade didn't complete, or something else happened
[16:49] <sn0> ill read up
[16:49] <muszek> the funny thing is that all that (installing etch, early dist-upgrade) was done for the sole purpose of getting away  from 2.6.22 (ipw3945 freezes my laptop)
[16:50] <sn0> etch uses 2.6.18, its possible to get 2.6.24 from backports or the kernel build repository, but thats another story (and not on topic in here)
[16:50] <Mohero|Work> ahh i missed the dist-upgrade..... that won't do anything until after reliease....
[16:50] <muszek> sn0: I'm pretty sure the kernel is installed, the problem is that menu.lst on etch's partition doesn't know that
[16:50] <muszek> I guess I'll be fine after reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[16:51] <Mohero|Work> muszek can you ls /boot
[16:51] <Mohero|Work> http://www.pastebin.ca/
[16:51] <Mohero|Work> and paste in there
[16:51] <muszek> sure
[16:52] <muszek> http://www.pastebin.ca/917712
[16:52] <muszek> both 2.6.22 and 2.6.24 are present
[16:52] <wilhart-> please, what was command to upgrade from gutsy to hardy ?
[16:52] <sn0> wilhart- if you can't read the upgrade notes, don't upgrade to hardy no offense
[16:52] <Mohero|Work> can you paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst in there?
[16:52] <sn0> see topic
[16:54] <muszek> Mohero|Work: one sec
[16:55] <muszek> http://www.pastebin.ca/917722
[16:55] <EmmerP> more people facing X problems at the moment? Mine starts up but freezes on my first action (run terminal ie)
[16:56] <EmmerP> after a lastest dist-upgrade
[16:57] <muszek> I'm about to run 'grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda --recheck' ... is that ok?
[16:58] <muszek> sorry, without that --recheck
[16:58] <Mohero|Work> ok muszek that's not got anything in it from Debian Etch, so on another drive somwhere you have another grub partition, that will have the debian stuff.... you need to copy from line 140 to line 150 from your menu.lst to the debian one, and copy your kernel files to the right drive.
[16:59] <Mohero|Work> if you switch grub to booting the ubuntu grub stuff, you'll lose your debian stuff, unless you copy and paste pretty much manually
[17:00] <muszek> Mohero|Work: I'd rather re-install grub, so that it loads stuff from ubuntu's  menu.lst... I'm not using etch
[17:00] <Mohero|Work> linux + windows seems ok, linux + linux on a dual boot, is still something boot loaders dont' like too much
[17:00] <muszek> weird :)
[17:00] <Mohero|Work> muszek ok, then if you don't want the debian stuff then I don't see why not...
[17:01] <Mohero|Work> ahh 5PM already :)
[17:01] <Mohero|Work> I've done some work today, honest :)
[17:01] <muszek> UK?
[17:01] <Mohero|Work> yup
[17:01] <muszek> same here :)
[17:03] <wilhart-> tell last
[17:05] <Mohero|Work> ok all, I'll talk to you later - time to go find out why I'm only downloading at 40KB/s at home...
[17:05] <budmang> lol
[17:05] <budmang> shitty isp.
[17:08] <muszek> little prayer and a reboot.  cya and thanks for help.
[17:09] <EmmerP> to specify my problem more: I got 'tossed event which came in late' lines in my xorg.0.log
[17:10] <arcticpenguin380> will kernel changes affect ndiswrapper?
[17:14] <muszek> problem solved :)
[17:15] <Zambezi> Anyone have a good idea how to print when FF and Epiphany crashed after "85% processing"?
[17:18] <muszek> do you guys also have ugly fonts in some apps (skype, picard in my case) after upgrading to hardy?
[17:19] <EmmerP> I had it with skype yes
[17:19] <nemo> skype is a Qt app no?
[17:19] <muszek> also, firefox 3 uses different fonts than ff2 in gutsy (while rendering websites, I'm not talking about menus)
[17:19] <muszek> yes, skype is qt
[17:19] <nemo> muszek: and I think FF3 has moved to greater host integration - maybe it is using your font settings in gnome?
[17:20] <nemo> s/host/OS/
[17:20] <muszek> EmmerP: did you do something about  it?
[17:21] <muszek> nemo: hmmm.... that might be it
[17:23] <muszek> yeah... I just tried epiphany and it looks the same (while opera is different)
[17:23] <budmang> Does it show me reconnecting over and over on irc?
[17:25] <muszek> budmang: nope
[17:25] <nemo> muszek: so whatever config Qt uses is messed up...
[17:26] <EmmerP> muszek: no
[17:26] <EmmerP> right now my whole X is freezing so ...
[17:26] <nemo>  /etc/qt3/qtrc ?
[17:26] <muszek> EmmerP: yeah, that looks like a slightly more important problem :)
[17:27] <budmang> would there be anything making my harddrive hot :)
[17:28] <Zambezi> Fun. I need to print two tutorials, but can't since cups is crashing all the time.
[17:28] <Zambezi> Or at least FF3b3 and Epiphany.
[17:29] <h3sp4wn> Try a static opera :?
[17:29] <Zambezi> h3sp4wn: Not sure I want to install a third browser.
[17:30] <h3sp4wn> well the 2 you have are almost the same code
[17:31] <muszek> Zambezi: stop using Eco edition :)
[17:31] <Zambezi> muszek: Sorry?
[17:32] <muszek> j/k ("ubuntu goes green and prevents you from wasting trees")
[17:32] <Zambezi> Now I need to find repos for Opera. Is there even one for Hardy?
[17:33] <muszek> Zambezi: get a .deb from opera.com
[17:33] <muszek> that's the quickest solution
[17:34] <Zambezi> muszek: Already there.
[17:35] <Zambezi> There isn't for Hardy.
[17:35] <h3sp4wn> just get static .deb work on anything
[17:35] <muszek> I've never had problems with using debs for "previous" releases
[17:35] <h3sp4wn> (as long as its x86 or amd64)
[17:36] <muszek> a year ago or so they didn't even have packages labelled "ubuntu"... there were just "debian" packages
[17:36] <DanaG> bug 121833
[17:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[17:36] <Zambezi> h3sp4wn: Where's the static?
[17:36] <h3sp4wn> unknown distro perhaps I don't remember
[17:38] <muszek> yeah, there's a "other/static deb"
[17:41] <Zambezi> Sorry. I didn't know it was in the distrolist. Thansk!
[17:44] <Zambezi> Oh. New cupsys.
[17:50] <budmang> why is my laptop hardrive running so hot :)
[17:55] <h3sp4wn> Is it one you upgraded yourself ?
[17:56] <budmang> I fresh installed. no factory laptop.
[17:57] <budmang> Worked fine with xp/osx just seems hot here in ubuntu.
[18:02] <martijn81> guys, both current alpha 4 and 5 boot into a busybox on one of my computers (not on my laptop).... where should i report this?
[18:04] <h3sp4wn> launchpad I guess
[18:13] <Unksi> hmm, does anyone else have 61 instances of /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon running?
[18:14] <Unksi> just wtf is that lol
[18:14] <Pici> !lol
[18:14] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[18:15] <savvas> Al-oh-Al .. heh :)
[18:15] <dencrypt> tla ftw
[18:17] <savvas> martijn81: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[18:21] <_oxygene_> Hi everyone. I'm usually not into promoting my own bug reports, but I wonder why bug 195063 got triaged as low importance.  The bug can cause data loss without any error message.
[18:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195063 in file-roller "[hardy] file-roller silently omits files upon .tar(.gz,.bz2) creation" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195063
[18:25] <nemo> anyone using file-roller to archive data, and without checking contents...
[18:25] <nemo> or any other similar tool...
[18:26] <nemo> but yeah, low seems wrong
[18:32] <_oxygene_> well, I've checked contents and thus I discovered the bug in the first place. But what should someone not knowing how to use the command line do?
[18:34] <asdrubal> kill themselves?
[18:40] <_oxygene_> errrm... well
[18:43] <martijn81> savvas: done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/195524 , thanks!
[18:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195524 in ubuntu "[alpha4 and 5] I get a busybox on one of my computers" [Undecided,New]
[18:43] <wobbo> what restricted fglrx driver is included atm in alpha 5?
[18:44] <wobbo> is it the same as in 7.10 atm?
[18:45] <wobbo> i guess yes and it doesn't work =S
[18:45] <wobbo> omg, will ati ever stop sucking
[18:46]  * slackern licks his x1950pro agp card
[18:51] <IdleOne> !alpha5
[18:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha5 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:53] <Pici> wobbo: No, its at least the one that doesn't require xserver-xgl, but I don't know the version number offhand.
[18:53] <wobbo> well it does weird things
[18:53] <wobbo> i can't click anything
[18:53] <savvas> n/p martijn81 :)
[18:53] <wobbo> it starts ubu by saying "safe graphics mode"
[19:17] <budmang> what could be making my harddrive so HOT!
[19:18] <martijn81> budmang: i use silentmax hd silencers
[19:19] <budmang> That is an application?
[19:19] <martijn81> makes them cooler and more silent
[19:19] <martijn81> no!
[19:19] <martijn81> those are aluminium cases for a hd
[19:19] <martijn81> and i put one 120mm fab on this too
[19:19] <budmang> my other OS's on the same laptop are not hot.
[19:20] <martijn81> i see
[19:31] <squee> Is there any reason that whenever I malloc in hardy, all memory is set to \0?
[19:36] <theunixgeek> Is it true that LTS was moved to 8.10?
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> I doubt it (i.e noone else has mentioned it)
[19:37] <Arwen> not according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[19:38] <theunixgeek> Thanks. I must be thinking of Kubuntu ;)
[19:38] <h3sp4wn> If it doesn't say it on the devel mailing list or such I wouldn't believe it
[19:38] <martijn81> afaik 8.10 will just be the next (second) LTS to follow the roots of dapper
[19:38] <h3sp4wn> I don't think kubuntu can change those type of things
[19:38] <theunixgeek> h3sp4wn: because of KDE 4
[19:39] <h3sp4wn> theunixgeek: Yeah but for such as the kernel they would have to support another release for longer
[19:39] <h3sp4wn> and all the other apps which would mean may as well do 2 LTS releases in a row
[19:40] <Arwen> sorry to be stupid, but how do I do upgrade to Hardy on Kubuntu? Can't figure out adept...
[19:40] <jussi01> theunixgeek: kubuntu will not be a lts for 8.04 but ubuntu will be
[19:40] <jussi01> Arwen: its not there yet...
[19:40] <Arwen> yes, I know
[19:40] <h3sp4wn> I wonder how they plan to do that kubuntu would need alot more paid devs
[19:40] <Arwen> I always use pre-releases
[19:41] <jussi01> Arwen: last time it was update-manager -c -d IIRC
[19:41] <h3sp4wn> Use aptitude or update-manager
[19:41] <h3sp4wn> (don't use adept)
[19:41] <Arwen> huh
[19:42] <h3sp4wn> If you want to break your system go ahead and try to dist-upgrade with adept
[19:43] <Arwen> oh yeah, I still have to install kde4 manually afterwards, right?
[19:43] <dencrypt> yes
[19:43] <Arwen> there an easy way to get rid of kde3 when doing that?
[19:44] <h3sp4wn> Afaik there is no amarok kde4 yet
[19:45] <dencrypt> well beta is out
[19:45] <h3sp4wn> (dunno about k3b and other apps) and last I checked the fonts were messed up
[19:45] <h3sp4wn> Is it packaged ?
[19:46] <Arwen> and oh yeah, when kde4 becomes default, will that -kde4 suffix be removed from the package names?
[19:46] <h3sp4wn> yes
[19:46] <h3sp4wn> and they will be in the usual places - I am sure moving them caused some issues
[19:48] <Arwen> gah, it wants to install firefox3. NO.
[19:48]  * Arwen gives up
[19:50] <h3sp4wn> konqueror4 is very nice
[19:50] <nemo> Arwen: what's wrong with FF3?
[19:50] <Arwen> it has that hideously-huge popup when you type in the address bar
[19:50] <h3sp4wn> (Really quick and seems to display anything I tried)
[19:53] <nemo> Arwen: you could restyle it in userChrome.css :)
[19:53] <nemo> Arwen: give it a smaller font, different colours
[19:53] <Arwen> I want the old one >_>
[19:53] <nemo> well, I have gotten used to the new one myself
[19:53] <nemo> I like being able to type any part of a URL or title
[19:53] <nemo> that used to exist as an addon, but was always slow
[19:54] <Arwen> it's still slow...
[19:54] <Arwen> anyway, why isn't the default character encoding Unicode? wtf...
[19:55] <nemo> Arwen: in ubuntu?
[19:55] <Arwen> in firefox3
[19:56] <nemo> um
[19:56] <nemo> that is inherited from system
[19:56] <nemo> it is for me.
[19:56] <nemo> my default is UTF-8 - but then my system locale is en_CA.UTF-8
[19:56] <nemo> what is your locale?
[19:57] <Arwen> en-US
[19:57] <nemo> en_US I presume you mean
[19:57] <nemo> well. add the .UTF-8 then
[19:58] <nemo> that'll be healthier for system apps anyway
[19:58] <heret1c> wop
[19:58] <Arwen> also, where did the forward/back buttons go in firefox3?
[19:58] <Arwen> and my fonts look oddly un-antialiased
[20:02] <P2502> is it normal that i have cpu load of 80% when moving windows fast?
[20:02] <heret1c> Arwen: did u do a clean install from cd, or upgrade from hd installation?
[20:02] <Arwen> huh? I just downloaded a firefox3 tarball to examine
[20:03] <heret1c> P2502: goes to 100 here.
[20:03] <Arwen> P2502, using compiz?
[20:03] <Arwen> actually, it's the same without, so never mind
[20:03] <P2502> Arwen: no
[20:04] <P2502> isnt drawing of windows supposed to be offloaded to videocard?
[20:04] <dareii> anyone know why my battery status monitor isn't reading power correctly
[20:04] <Arwen> ff3 tabs look a bit funny... hmm
[20:04] <heret1c> Arwen: hardy?
[20:04] <Arwen> gutsy
[20:04] <Arwen> I don't wanna upgrade till I know what I'm getting...
[20:04] <heret1c> ah
[20:05] <Arwen> and yeah, man the tabs look broken here.
[20:06] <_oxygene_> looks good for me
[20:06] <_oxygene_> and my fonts are okay also
[20:06] <Arwen> dunno, they look slightly uneven
[20:06] <Arwen> but this is with KDE
[20:06] <Arwen> my fonts are definitely b0rk3d though
[20:06] <_oxygene_> my installation is a clean setup started a week ago
[20:07] <nemo> Arwen: are you using the "small" theme?
[20:07] <Arwen> theme?
[20:07] <nemo> Arwen: firefox 3, the small button theme eliminates forward/back for default theme
[20:07] <nemo> Arwen: and the font thing is probably related to it using system fonts
[20:07] <nemo> Arwen: or whatever it thinks the system font is
[20:07] <Arwen> anti-aliasing works everywhere else...
[20:07] <Arwen> same with fonts
[20:07] <nemo> under kde, maybe the gtk font
[20:07] <bullgard4> "detlef@MD97600:~$ i2cdetect -l; i2c-0   unknown  SMBus I801 adapter at 18e0  N/A."  man i2cdetect: " i2cdetect -l: Output a list of installed busses." What busses are installed?
[20:08] <nemo> looks fine under gnome ;)
[20:08] <muszek> my fonts (hardy ff3) are different then under FF2/gutsy, but I think it's because of FF is more "native" now
[20:08] <muszek> take a look at epiphany - ff3's fonts look the same
[20:12] <Arwen> apt needs support for dist-downgrade :-\
[20:12] <HydrogonalPrism> no.
[20:12] <Assid> err
[20:12] <HydrogonalPrism> people need to not do dumb things.
[20:12] <Assid> does  update manager ask you to do partial updates?
[20:13] <Yaroze> anyone know why xqf is unstable with hardy? it "hangs" after it has started a game
[20:13] <Assid> its askin for partual updates here
[20:13] <Yaroze> using all cpu left :)
[20:13] <Arwen> Assid, you've got a problem then
[20:14] <Arwen> hmm, I suppose I'll be spending a while recompiling software after hardy...
[20:16] <Assid> Arwen: are packages being rolled out?
[20:16] <bardyr> w00t now libc-linux headers, now i just need the kernel :D
[20:16] <Arwen> Assid, don't know, in the middle of an upgrade right now
[20:17] <Assid> your upgrading ?
[20:17] <Arwen> yeah
[20:17] <Assid> hrmm k
[20:18] <Assid> let me know if any packages are pending
[20:18] <Arwen> I suppose I'll need to recompile: mkvtoolnix, vlc, mplayer, smplayer, and
[20:18] <Arwen> wait, is that all? GENIUS
[20:18] <Assid> why do you need to recompile?
[20:18] <Arwen> to make them not broken
[20:19] <alefteris> the missing software-properties-gtk from the alpha 5 installation of ubuntu hardy is n known problem?
[20:23] <heret1c> Assid: seen http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined = xplains the dma hassle.
[20:25] <Assid> heret1c: interesting.. but why does it affect linux only
[20:25] <Assid> ts a simple thing. if another OS can handle it, linux should as well
[20:25] <P2502> linux is special
[20:26] <Assid> and by linux i mean LINUX itself, not distro specific
[20:26] <heret1c> ..a particular configuration of Intel motherboard devices" - as if they were rare as wozzits. aaarhg.
[20:27] <Assid> Disable libata (CONFIG_ATA) entirely, and enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA.
[20:27] <Assid> why cant they just deprecate config_ata
[20:27] <heret1c> gies in menu.list somewhere?
[20:27] <heret1c>  o
[20:30] <Arwen> GAH, Firefox 3 -- how do I make the close buttons on the tabs die?
[20:30] <Arwen> I HATE THOSE
[20:30] <heret1c> Assid: they're not v good at providing examples.
[20:31] <heret1c> arwen> poke about in about:config and ye shall find. maybe.
[20:32] <Arwen> heret1c, they're not organized in any particular way :-(
[20:32] <nemo> heret1c: aye. bunched "tabs" into about:config and found a likely value
[20:32] <Arwen> hey cool, found it
[20:32] <Arwen> nvm
[20:32] <heret1c> nemo> wotcha. 8)
[20:32] <yeager> has anyone noticed any problems with compiling against SDL?
[20:35] <pipatron> Question: If I want to find official information about ubuntu+1 on the web, where do I go?
[20:35] <nemo> Arwen: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.tabs.closeButtons :)
[20:36] <pipatron> I've been trying for quite some time to browse around on the ubuntu.com website, but it's impossible to find anything there
[20:36] <Arwen> nemo, yeh, I found it
[20:36] <nemo> I don't like that behaviour though *switches back to default*
[20:36] <Arwen> now to kill the location bar thingy...
[20:36]  * Arwen closes tabs by middle-clicking anyway
[20:37] <pipatron> ctrl+w
[20:37] <Arwen> you can only close the foreground one that way :-P
[20:37] <pipatron> Yes :/
[20:37] <heret1c> Er "Disable libata (CONFIG_ATA) entirely, and enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA" - where?
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> menuconfig
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> or oldconfig or by editing .config direct (last not recommended)
[20:39] <nemo> yeah. too slow to clean up tabs without the X
[20:39] <nemo> don't like having to focus on 'em
[20:39] <nemo> and I definitely avoid middle click since that is very useful for opening URLs and I don't want to get my reflexes confused :)
[20:40] <pipatron> alt+f4 is good for cleaning :)
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> My mouse has 7 buttons but I only use 3 atm
[20:40] <heret1c> h3sp4wn: apparently I don't have one (menuconfig)
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> What do you mean those are relevent only when you are compiling a kernel
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> perhaps you need the ncurses dev package
[20:42] <heret1c> h3sp4wn: didst mean menu.config?
[20:42] <h3sp4wn> ??? No I am confused now
[20:43] <heret1c> heretic@heretichq:/$ locate menuconfig
[20:43] <heret1c> heretic@heretichq:/$
[20:43] <heret1c> heretic@heretichq:/$ locate menu.config
[20:43] <heret1c> /etc/menu-methods/menu.config
[20:43] <heret1c> /usr/share/doc/menu/examples/menu.config
[20:43] <h3sp4wn> I really think you don't have a clue what "Disable libata (CONFIG_ATA) entirely, and enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA" means
[20:44] <h3sp4wn> Read how to build a kernel
[20:44] <h3sp4wn> Those can only be changed from the .config file
[20:45] <heret1c> h3sp4wn: what it does is clear - how's another metter.
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> I would say its perfectly clear what to do but it requires knowing how to build a kernel
[20:46] <heret1c> h3sp4wn: blank there.
[20:47] <h3sp4wn> Don't be lazy how to do what you do want is really well documented
[20:47]  * heret1c has much the same relationship with building kernels as brain surgery
[20:47] <pipatron> Rocket surgery
[20:50] <heret1c> h3sp4wn: of it a) concerns certain intel motherboards and n) can only be ficed by fiddling with the kernel, doesn't that imply that c) someone responsible (and preferrably competent) ought to put it there?
[20:53] <heret1c> tried both 2nd approaches (menulist modification) described in http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined with no result
[21:01] <martijn81> is there a function in launchpad where one can properply list the last filled/touched bugs?
[21:03] <heret1c> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ - Latest bugs touched
[21:06] <Lilacor> How do I stress test HH?
[21:06] <heret1c> h3sp4wn: there's an old saying which goes "if I wanted to go THERE I wouldn't start from HERE".
[21:07] <EnvoyRising> is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg broken in hardy?
[21:09] <hit> not for me
[21:09] <hit> is imwheel only way to get 5 buttons to work?
[21:10] <EnvoyRising> hit: no. there is another way, but imwheel was the less complicated of the two from what i remember
[21:10] <martijn81> heret1c: thanks, but that list is way too short for general use
[21:10] <_oxygene_> imwheel is buggy
[21:10] <hit> imwheel sucks imo
[21:10] <hit> _oxygene_, right
[21:10] <_oxygene_> which mouse do you have?
[21:11] <hit> some trust production along with keyboard
[21:11] <_oxygene_> and whats the problem?
[21:11] <hit> i just want those back/forward buttons
[21:11] <hit> removed imwheel a while ago
[21:12] <_oxygene_> do you know the "xev" program?
[21:12] <hit> used to set up imwheel, yes
[21:12] <budmang> I have to remove the alsa-base for my mic to work odd :)
[21:12] <_oxygene_> what does it say if you move your mouse over it and click on the prev/next buttons?
[21:12] <heret1c> martijn81: seatch *, sort "newest 1st"
[21:13] <_oxygene_> hit: it should say 6 or 7, respectively
[21:13] <_oxygene_> (which it won't say for you, cause then it'll be working)
[21:14] <hit> _oxygene_, 8/9
[21:14] <_oxygene_> okay
[21:14] <_oxygene_> that was the same for my microsoft mouse
[21:14] <_oxygene_> open your xorg.conf
[21:14] <hit> open
[21:14] <_oxygene_> locate the section with the  "Configured Mouse" identifiert
[21:15] <_oxygene_> Ensure that Protocol is set to "ExplorerPS/2", Buttons to "5" and "ButtonMapping" to "1 2 3 6 7" and "ZAxisMapping" to "4 5"
[21:15] <martijn81> heret1c: wayyyyyyyy, thank you!
[21:15] <_oxygene_> the ButtonMapping-part is important. You might to add this option first
[21:16] <Arwen> 7 minutes till upgrade commences...
[21:16] <Arwen> May god have mercy on my soul...
[21:16] <hit> no Protocol there, this shouldn't be importrant (?)
[21:16] <_oxygene_> not sure
[21:16] <hit> http://pastebin.com/m580b037
[21:16] <_oxygene_> it was important back then
[21:16] <heret1c> Bug #110636 is fixed by the kernel team reading http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined then.
[21:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "hdparm - cannot set dma on IDE hard drive that works via pata" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110636
[21:16] <martijn81> when will my bug get threated?
[21:17] <_oxygene_> you can try it with buttonmapping only first and try to add the other lines
[21:17] <_oxygene_> hit: http://pastebin.com/d40f6d6b4
[21:17] <ArthurArchnix> I was checking out the roadmap... what is this now, Hardy Alpha 3? Are there still 6 planned before Beta?
[21:17] <_oxygene_> this is how it looks for me
[21:18] <heret1c> ArthurArchnix: 5
[21:18] <hit> buttonmapping for me is "1 2 3 8 9" then
[21:18] <ArthurArchnix> heret1c: You're on 5 already, or there are going to be 5?
[21:18] <_oxygene_> hit: no
[21:18] <_oxygene_> hit: thats the point =)
[21:18] <martijn81> isn't a busybox on the live-cd a critical bug?
[21:18] <hit> oh, ok, got it..
[21:19] <heret1c> ArthurArchnix: 5 is the latest
[21:19] <ArthurArchnix> heret1c: Gracias...
[21:19] <_oxygene_> its a bit similar to the xmodmap-howto in conjunction with imwheel
[21:19] <Arwen> martijn81, haven't the CDs always had busybox on them?
[21:19] <PriceChild> ArthurArchnix, alphas are just points in time... hardy is constantly developing and changing and updates have added lots since alpha 5
[21:19] <hit> ok, restart x
[21:19] <martijn81> Arwen: well, i guess so, but this one actually boot into it
[21:20] <thompa> anyone know how to enable acer-acpi or wmi-acer?
[21:20] <Arwen> T-minus 3 minutes and counting... Kyrie Eleison...
[21:20] <martijn81> on one pc here that is (not on my laptop)
[21:20] <h3sp4wn> heret1c: Why not I would start from where I am and go to where I need to be
[21:21] <thompa> i heard acer acpi has been backported. so i installed backports but i can get wireless without acer acpi
[21:21] <PriceChild> thompa, why do you think you need it?
[21:21] <ArthurArchnix> PriceChild: Yeah... I just wanted a sense of where things were at before beta... I've recreated my partition table because I wanted to do a few laptop install tests for the laptop team with the betas... just wondering when that would be rolling around.
[21:21] <Arwen> any devs here? why have ffmpeg and mkvtoolnix not been updated to more sane revisions?
[21:21] <martijn81> arwen-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/195524
[21:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195524 in ubuntu "[alpha4 and 5] I get a busybox on one of my computers" [Undecided,New]
[21:21] <PriceChild> i've got an acer and use acerhk
[21:21] <ArthurArchnix> Excuse... not table... you know... the partitions.
[21:21] <PriceChild> !bug | Arwen
[21:21] <ubotu> Arwen: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:21] <Arwen> that's not really a bug...
[21:21] <PriceChild> ArthurArchnix, don't wait for the betas to do that.
[21:22] <martijn81> not? busybox is dramaticly i though....
[21:22] <PriceChild> Arwen, of course it is... but we're in feature freeze now anyway.
[21:22] <PriceChild> Arwen, I'd guess many changes have been backported meaning the current revision isn't accurate
[21:22] <thompa> PriceChild: how you get acerhk, is it just a backport module?
[21:22] <hit> yay _oxygene_, buttonmapping did the trick
[21:22] <Assid> my stupid brightness levels doesnt sit
[21:22] <hit> thanks
[21:22] <PriceChild> check the changelog and patches to get a more accurate representation
[21:22] <_oxygene_> hit: great
[21:22] <Arwen> PriceChild, eh? the source package for both are the exact same ones used in Gutsy
[21:22] <Assid> it goes up and down like a yoyo
[21:22] <PriceChild> thompa, what do you want to work that isn't now?
[21:23] <PriceChild> Arwen, what's broken about it?
[21:23] <Arwen> it's oooooooooold
[21:23] <_oxygene_> hit: i also was very happy with it.  I learned this method last week
[21:23] <Arwen> very much so
[21:23] <thompa> PriceChild: wireless in acer aspire
[21:23] <_oxygene_> before this, I had to use imwheel
[21:23] <heret1c> h3sp4wn: roight. by that approach it'd take me months to learn to do something which will be fixed in weeks or days. not a rational approach ask u me. :)
[21:23] <Arwen> upgrade in progress.... and there is no god but allah and mohammed is his prophet
[21:23] <thompa> PriceChild: works in gutsy, and I needed acer-acpi first
[21:23] <PriceChild> have you flicked the hardware switch to turn it on?
[21:23] <_oxygene_> but had problems with horizontal scrolling and zooming in using the scrollwheel in gimp or evince
[21:24] <_oxygene_> hit: did you just add the buttonmapping or also the other entries?
[21:24] <hit> _oxygene_, also used imw but it didn't go well with my compiz and sometimes took 100% cpu and so on..
[21:24] <hit> _oxygene_, only buttonmapping, nothing else
[21:24] <_oxygene_> good to know
[21:25] <thompa> PriceChild: acerhk is not found as a module
[21:25] <PriceChild> acuster, i downloaded compiled and installed it myself
[21:26] <rakehour> installed hardy using wubi from the cd reboot and i get error 15 file not found what am i needing to change in menu.lst
[21:26] <hit> only good thing about imwheel was the possibility to define those buttons differently for each program
[21:28]  * Arwen hates multimedia on Debian/Ubuntu for this exact reason... everything's obsolete..
[21:28] <thompa> PriceChild: from the hardy buglist ..Backport acer-wmi to hardy 2.6.24 kernel  fix released, but how to i ad it
[21:28] <thompa> i can load acer-wmi but still no wireless
[21:28] <PriceChild> thompa, i'd guess your hardware switch is off
[21:29] <thompa> PriceChild: could be yes
[21:29] <thompa> its bios related i know
[21:29] <PriceChild> its a hardware switch
[21:29] <PriceChild> press it
[21:29] <PriceChild> does a light come on?
[21:29] <thompa> no and it never did before
[21:30] <thompa> in gutsy i compiled acer acpi then latest madwifi and it worked
[21:31] <hit> _oxygene_, every tried btnx-config?
[21:37] <_oxygene_> hit: no, what is it?
[21:38] <hit> also some thingy to configure all those mice
[21:38] <hit> for me wasn't working tho
[21:39] <_oxygene_> i just don't understand while side buttons seem to be buttons 8 and 9 by default
[21:50] <tretle> hi, just installed alpha 5 on my system from cd, was using just a normal upgrade to hardy from gutsy before i did the fresh install... Now I have a problem though, Im stuck in 640x480 and when i go into screens and graphics from the system/administration all the options in it are blank
[21:51] <tretle> Also I noticed software sources seems to have disappeared and the repository option in synaptic seems broken
[21:52] <tretle> I only noticed because it defaulted to the irish ubuntu servers which seem to be down so i was going to change it to the main ones
[21:53] <tretle> I went into xorg config file and I can see where to change the color depth but am unable to see where I can change the resolution manualy
[21:53] <tretle> can anyone help me out?
[21:53] <Arwen> nooo..... dist-upgrade failed me
[21:53] <Arwen> apport couldn't install
[21:54] <Arwen> is there a way to recover from a failed upgrade? or is it nuke and reinstall?
[21:55] <tretle> 640x480 is completely unusable in hardy
[21:55] <tretle> :)
[21:55] <Arwen> anyone?
[21:55] <nemo> tretle: rerun the xorg dpkg config tool
[21:56] <nemo> tretle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:56] <tretle> thanks
[21:56] <nemo> Arwen: you know, I actually didn't want to re-download everything, so I copied the download temp dir over :)
[21:56] <nemo> never needed to try it to see if that would have worked, though
[21:58] <Arwen> urgh.... I don't wanna reinstall :-(
[21:59] <h3sp4wn> well the fact you said dist-upgrade implies to me !aptitude so I am not surprised
[21:59] <Arwen> no, dist-upgrade as in... update-manager-core
[21:59] <Arwen> shorthand...
[21:59] <tretle> nemo, that only asked if i want to reconfigure the keyboard
[22:01] <Arwen> h3sp4wn, well, is there anything that can be done?
[22:03] <h3sp4wn> ask people who know about update-manager (not me) and provide them with some useful output
[22:05] <lime4x4> latest version of hardy with all updates locks up when pairing my phone using bluetooth. Anyone else having issues when using bluetooth?
[22:05] <nemo> tretle: really?
[22:05] <nemo> tretle: one-sec
[22:06] <nemo> tretle: you did it as sudo right?
[22:06] <tretle> yep
[22:06] <h3sp4wn> If you go to init 1 then you get a debconf screen where you can select to configure X
[22:06] <h3sp4wn> there is also that cli displayconfig thing
[22:07] <h3sp4wn> (Not seen that since I stopped messing with xrandr)
[22:07] <nemo> tretle: yow. well. lemme see.
[22:07] <nemo> I'll try on my hardy machine
[22:07]  * nemo backs up his xorg config
[22:08] <tretle> should all the options in screens and graphics be blank too
[22:08] <h3sp4wn> lime4x4: you mean just the app or hardlock the box ?
[22:08] <nemo> tretle: you're right. interesting
[22:08] <nemo> tretle: that is a recent change
[22:09] <tretle> screens and graphics?
[22:09] <nemo> tretle: your old xorg config is around there, and you could probably merge it from that, but...
[22:09] <nemo> why did they remove that
[22:09] <h3sp4wn> lime4x4: I just get nautlus cannot handle obex
[22:09] <nemo> tretle: no. that's very bad. :)
[22:09] <tretle> i did a fresh install so i cant use my old xorg config
[22:10] <nemo> wow. pulling a diff, the dpkg-reconfigure clobbered a bunch of stuff
[22:10] <nemo> tretle: now why on earth would you do that...
[22:10] <nemo> tretle: anyway, unless you reformatted the filesystem, old xorg.conf miiiight have been backed up
[22:11]  * nemo restores his old xorg.conf
[22:11] <nemo> tretle: say, do you use nvidia?
[22:11] <tretle> wait I found a backup on an external harddrive
[22:11] <tretle> :)
[22:13] <nemo> interesting. soo, clearly they assume hardy users will configure xorg.conf by hand
[22:13] <h3sp4wn> No they assume it will just work without
[22:14] <lime4x4> h3sp4wn hardlocks the box
[22:14] <tretle> I have a nvidea 7600
[22:14] <tretle> nvidia
[22:14] <tretle> right im gonna test the new config out
[22:14] <h3sp4wn> lime4x4: It didn't for me but I don't fancy pressing it further just got that obex error (got loads of work I need open atm)
[22:15] <tretle> if I'm not back in a sec then something went horribly wrong :D
[22:15] <blue|palm> is wine broken for anyone else in current hardy?
[22:15] <lime4x4> yeah right after entering the passkey i get the dialoge box that says paring then the computer hardlocks
[22:15] <nemo> h3sp4wn: why on earth would dpkg-reconfigure exclude the display config stuff though?
[22:16] <nemo> h3sp4wn: the xorg file it generated was missing a lot of useful stuff
[22:16] <nemo> h3sp4wn: the nvidia and screen sections - or do you mean they expect xorg to automagically probe all that on startup these days?
[22:17] <tretle> that's the screen resolution fixed :D Thanks for the help
[22:18] <tretle> now could someone tell me where software sources has gone?
[22:19] <nemo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardyHardwareDetection
[22:19] <nemo> foudn here
[22:19] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/xorg/+bug/188951
[22:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188951 in xorg ""dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" aborts prematurely" [Undecided,New]
[22:19] <nemo> hm. I suppose I will (carefully) give that a shot
[22:19] <nemo> tretle: clearly it didn't work too well in your case ;)
[22:20] <tretle> not at all :D
[22:20] <tretle> why fix something thats not broke
[22:20] <nemo> tretle: well, if you read that page, it is clear they were trying to simplify upgrade of new hardware
[22:20] <nemo> among other things
[22:21] <h3sp4wn> People have issues with it either way
[22:21] <h3sp4wn> Just writing one by hand has never been too much of an issue for me
[22:21] <h3sp4wn> (and means it ends up more readable)
[22:22] <tretle> so does anyone else have the software sources problem or is it just me?
[22:22] <Arwen> never mind, onnly one of my packages is fubar
[22:24] <Arwen> gah, the fglrx version in hardy doesn't work...
[22:26] <Sarthor> Hi, i have ip conflicting problem on my network, while there is not ip conliction in real. please check here, to help me. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57379/
[22:27] <heret1c> Bug #110636 in linux-source-2.6.22
[22:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "hdparm - cannot set dma on IDE hard drive that works via pata" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110636
[22:28] <Arwen> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg creates an xorg.conf that looks way too short
[22:28] <Arwen> it has no entries for screens, monitors, cards, or anything
[22:28] <Arwen> is that right?
[22:28] <h3sp4wn> so read the specs
[22:36] <tretle> by any chance are there 11 held packages?
[22:38] <budmang> Anyone in :)
[22:41] <tretle> could someone confirm the lack of software sources settings in hardy alpha 5
[22:41] <Milos_SD> Hi all... I upgraded Gutsy to Hardy ... And now, nvidia-glx-new is <IP_ADDRESS> version, but kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>, and driver is not working.
[22:42] <Milos_SD> And my numeric keyboard is not working too. :(
[22:42] <h3sp4wn> Anyone enlighten me as to how I might have got on my right click menu a link to open terminal ?
[22:42] <h3sp4wn> (2 hardy boxes one has it one doesn't :/)
[22:45] <pipatron> Hey folks, what's the right place to report Hardy bugs/regressions?
[22:46] <h3sp4wn> launchpad
[22:47] <Milos_SD> can anyone help me with ?
[22:47] <pipatron> with ?
[22:47] <Milos_SD> why my numeric keyboard is not working
[22:47] <pipatron> try numlock :)
[22:47] <Milos_SD> and nvidia-glx-new is <IP_ADDRESS> version, but kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:48] <Milos_SD> and I can't use that driver
[22:48] <Milos_SD> :(
[22:49] <tretle> right so i needed to install software-properties-gtk to fix it
[22:49] <Milos_SD> numlock is on
[22:50] <pipatron> Milos_SD: thinkpad?
[22:50] <Milos_SD> desktop PC
[22:50] <Milos_SD> :(
[22:50] <pipatron> ok
[22:50] <Milos_SD> PCALL keyboard ...
[22:50] <Milos_SD> it is X problem ... becouse I had this Hardy kernel on Gutsy, and everything was working
[22:51] <pipatron> Well does the numeric keyboard work in the console?
[22:52] <Milos_SD> no
[22:52] <pipatron> So probably not a problem with X?
[22:53] <Milos_SD> aaa... ctrl+alt+F2 console
[22:53] <Milos_SD> :)
[22:53] <Milos_SD> I didn't try that
[22:53] <Milos_SD> :D
[22:53] <Milos_SD> and yes... "+" on numeric keyboard is doing "right mouse click" :S
[22:54] <pipatron> funky.
[22:54] <Milos_SD> it is working in the virtual console
[22:57] <pipatron> So hm, how come that I can boot and use the CD-rom in this ye olde laptop, until it comes to the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" part where it can't find any CD-ROM.
[22:59] <Milos_SD> I fix the problem
[22:59] <Milos_SD> :)
[22:59] <Milos_SD> with numeric keyboard
[22:59] <Milos_SD> :)
[23:00] <pipatron> Milos_SD: Good, now fix my missing CD-ROM
[23:00] <pipatron> That's not missing in the Gutsy installer but is missing in the Hardy installer
[23:01] <Milos_SD> that must be some bug in the installed ... install Gutsy and do distribution upgrade
[23:01] <Milos_SD> :)
[23:02] <pipatron> Sounds like work
[23:02] <Milos_SD> how is your CD-ROM missing ?
[23:03] <Milos_SD> can you boot Hardy LiveCD?
[23:03] <pipatron> Haven't tried, this machine only has 64MB RAM
[23:03] <pipatron> Trying to install Hardy server
[23:03] <pipatron> But it wants me to "Load CD-ROM drivers from a driver floppy"
[23:04] <pipatron> Kinda fun, since the installer is running from that same CD at the moment
[23:23] <ibkanat> i was sent here to try and figure out a bcm wifi problem in Hardy Kubunutu
[23:23] <ibkanat> Kubuntu
[23:24] <ibkanat> is there something that i can grep to find out if its installed correctly?
[23:30] <ibkanat> still waiting for an answer
[23:42] <tretl1> would be nice if instead of the panels just appearing on the screen on start up the has an animated movement
[23:43] <tretl1> the top panel would slowly move into place from the top
[23:43] <pipatron> bah, bloat
[23:43] <tretl1> the bottom would slowly move into place from the bottom
[23:43] <tretl1> its not bloat
[23:43] <tretl1> bloat would be having them spin around before going into place
[23:44] <pipatron> how about this instead: the installer would find my cd-rom :/
[23:44] <tretl1> all_generic_ide
[23:44] <tretl1> that worked for me
[23:44] <pipatron> where did you type that?
[23:44] <tretl1> if its the busybox problem your talking about
[23:45] <tretl1> in extra boot options
[23:45] <tretl1> press f6
[23:46] <pipatron> Don't know where the problem is really, just that I get the "No common CD-ROM drive was detected."
[23:46] <pipatron> I'll try that
[23:49] <tretl1> cool
[23:51] <pipatron> Doesn't help
[23:51] <peanutb> is this the correct channel for KDE4 help
[23:51] <peanutb> if so, how would i start plasma after it has crashed?
[23:51] <pipatron> How could this be the KDE4 channel?
[23:52] <peanutb> it would be the kubuntu channel
[23:52] <pipatron> I thought KDE4 wasn't even used in kubuntu hardy heron
[23:52] <Flannel> Yes it is, although only half of them
[23:53] <peanutb> its going to be in the final relese correct?
[23:53] <Flannel> Both 3.5 and 4.0 will be supported in Hardy, which is why Kubuntu won't be LTS for Hardy
[23:53] <tretl1> pipatron - kde4 is the reason kubuntu hardy wont be an lts release
[23:53] <pipatron> tretl1: Ah.
[23:54] <peanutb> Flannel: that make sense
[23:55] <peanutb> shall i ask in #kde then
[23:55] <Flannel> And support for both is in #kubuntu, although there may or may not be a #kubuntu-kde4, but #kubuntu will let you know
[23:55] <pipatron> ask in both
[23:55] <Flannel> peanutb
[23:55] <pipatron> You already asked here :P
[23:56] <peanutb> ah that is whee the confusion arrised. I was on efnet's #kubuntu and it sAID to go away
[23:57] <Flannel> peanutb: freenode's #kubuntu is the official. EFnet is... well... EFnet.
[23:57] <pipatron> efnet is mostly for people who smoke a lot of weed
[23:57] <peanutb> Flannel: i know.. in irssi its hard to distinguish
[23:58]  * peanutb knows a few efneters who just use perscriptions