[01:16] <tseng_> hi ogra
[01:16] <ogra> hey
[01:16] <tseng_> how are you
[01:16] <ogra> better now... i had DSL probs all the day...
[01:16] <tseng_> :(
[01:17] <ogra> quite odd, one dey before preview freeze... was no fun to move the xscreensaver source from and to the net
[01:17] <tseng_> it looks nice
[01:17] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:17] <tseng_> who is everyone?
[01:17] <ogra> its a UDU photo :)
[01:17] <tseng_> there are some heads with no faces
[01:18] <tseng_> i see jeff, rob, charles
[01:18] <ogra> jdub, bob2, mvo chmj and i think lying is jordi, but i'm not sure
[01:18] <tseng_> maybe mvo
[01:18] <tseng_> ooh im good
[01:18] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[01:19] <ogra> yeah
[01:19] <ogra> i have to dig... lets see how f-spot behaves today ;)
[01:19] <tseng_> speaking of f-spot..
[01:19] <ajmitch> ogra: well if elmo had synced it..
[01:19] <ajmitch> yes, I know he's busy :)
[01:21] <ajmitch> tseng_: if you want to ask him again, feel free
[01:21] <ajmitch> he might not appreciate my pestering :)
[01:23] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/020505%20059.jpg
[01:23] <ogra> even lamont is on it ...
[01:24] <tseng_> ah mako and lamont
[01:24] <marcin_ant> hi all
[01:24] <tseng_> and janes feet
[01:24] <marcin_ant> I got a question
[01:24] <tseng_> someone is on mvo
[01:24] <marcin_ant> I would like to prepare some packages
[01:24] <lamont> ogra: I'm on that?
[01:24] <tseng_> dafyd?
[01:24] <marcin_ant> but with a little different names than original names
[01:24] <tseng_> lamont: you';re behind rob
[01:24] <ogra> lamont, behind bob2
[01:25] <lamont> yeah - guess so - don't remember doing it...
[01:25] <lamont> that's mark we're squishing?
[01:25] <ajmitch> jdub looks rather demonic
[01:25] <ogra> might be, i cant remember...
[01:25] <tseng_> someone else is on jeffs lap
[01:25] <tseng_> thom?
[01:25] <marcin_ant> and I would like to ask how to do this?
[01:25] <tseng_> and jeff has a hand on his crotch
[01:26] <lamont> that's kamion, and jdub is definitely demonic
[01:26] <ogra> i really cant remember, but obviously doko has pic from another perspective
[01:26] <mbreit> marcin_ant: i don't understand your exact problem...
[01:26] <marcin_ant> for example I got original sources in emacs-21.3.tar.gz and would like to create emacs21-21.3 package
[01:26] <tseng_> demonic and gay
[01:27] <ajmitch> marcin_ant: ok, is there a good reason for this?
[01:27] <ogra> hehe
[01:27] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, well yes
[01:27] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, while there is no support for 'slots' like in gentoo
[01:28] <tseng_> slots in gentoo are the same as version-named packages in effect
[01:28] <mbreit> marcin_ant: have you read the debian new maintainer's guide?
[01:28] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, then if I want to use more than one version of package at the time than I need to do something like this
[01:28] <marcin_ant> mbreit, yes
[01:29] <mbreit> marcin_ant: you can set the name of the binary packages in debian/control... but all that is explaned in the debian new maintainer's guide...
[01:30] <marcin_ant> mbreit, well I know that I can set the name in debian/control
[01:30] <marcin_ant> mbreit, but it's not my point
[01:31] <mbreit> marcin_ant: so what is your point?
[01:32] <marcin_ant> mbreit, if I gor package with sources let's say emacs-21.3.tar.gz then these sources unpacks to /emacs-21.3
[01:32] <mbreit> marcin_ant: so you want to change the source package's name?
[01:33] <marcin_ant> mbreit, yes
[01:34] <marcin_ant> I just want to create emacs21 package but my sources goes to emacs-21.x directory
[01:34] <ajmitch> where the tarball unpacks to isn't really relevant, as it works with just abotu any directory name
[01:35] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, hmmm
[01:36] <ajmitch> some packaging scripts might have something hardcoded, but I've seen some odd naming
[01:37] <marcin_ant> well I though that if I want to have for example emacs21 package than I should unpack my sources file and rename directory with sources to emacs21
[02:50] <bddebian> So where does Transitions stand?
[02:50] <bddebian> s/does/do/
[03:02] <jbailey> In the corner, facing the wall.
[03:02] <jbailey> It's been *bad*
[03:04] <bddebian> Bah, heya jbailey :-)
[03:27] <bddebian> ZZZZzzz
[03:32] <bddebian> Where the heck is everybody
[03:33] <ajmitch> away
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, wanna do some uploads? :-)
[03:34] <ajmitch> hm
[03:35] <ajmitch> maybe :)
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: Also, wtf do I do about packages that are missing deps or build-deps from the archive now that we are frozen?
[03:36] <ajmitch> we're not frozen
[03:36] <bddebian> We arent?
[03:36] <ajmitch> if things were frozen, then we'd have nothing to do
[03:37] <bddebian> Well UVF I mean
[03:37] <ajmitch> just what sort of deps & build-deps are you talking about?
[03:37] <bddebian> yaprimaxgui deps pxscan which isn't in multiverse (which is funny because yaprimaxgui is in universe)
[03:37] <bddebian> libtagcoll1
[03:37] <bddebian> libdebtags1
[03:38] <ajmitch> debtags might be an exception
[03:39] <ajmitch> yaprimaxgui & pxscan are things that probably noone cares about
[03:39] <ajmitch> since they were pulled form apt-get.org
[03:41] <bddebian> Oh so I am doing worthless work as always?
[03:41] <ajmitch> no
[03:43] <tseng_> moo..
[03:47] <bddebian> baa
[03:47] <bddebian> Ahh, tseng_ can upload for me
[03:47] <ajmitch> and I can't now?
[03:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: You said maybe :-)
[03:49] <bddebian> jbailey: See what I have to put up with :-)
[03:50] <ajmitch> mm, a black screen on booting the hoary live cd, very promising
[03:50] <bddebian> Ugh
[04:01] <bddebian> Fuck, now xgsmlib FTBFSs
[04:01] <tseng_> i had the same ajmitch
[04:01] <tseng_> breezy was rad
[04:04] <jbailey> bddebian: abuse from all sides.
[04:04] <jbailey> bddebian: But you love us for it. =)
[04:04] <bddebian> Heh
[04:04] <bddebian> jbailey: Do you have a sec for a /query or you busy as usual?
[04:05] <jbailey> Is it more obscure c++ stuff?
[04:05] <jbailey> I'm putting together a documentation package right now, so I'm busy but I have some brain space.
[04:05] <bddebian> Well I have that too but I won't bug ya with that
[04:05] <ajmitch> tseng_: I don't have the breezy live cd with me at the moment
[04:05] <ajmitch> and it's currently rsyncing
[04:07] <bddebian> Anyone have ppc and/or amd64 handy?
[04:07] <ajmitch> ppc, but not for a few hours
[04:10] <bddebian> Well the build logs say it build so I guess I'll remove xxdiff from my list
[04:23] <bddebian> Where should /usr/include/X11/extensions/Print.h come from?
[04:25] <bddebian> Either that or lesstiff2-dev has issues
[04:35] <desrt> universe isn't frozen until the last minute, right?
[04:37] <ajmitch> desrt: it's under a sort of freeze
[04:37] <ajmitch> no new upstream versions except for serious cases
[04:37] <desrt> well, UVF against auto-merges, right?
[04:37] <ajmitch> most likely no NEW packages
[04:37] <desrt> hmm.
[04:37] <ajmitch> and by-hand merges
[04:37] <desrt> i just need to know what to tell the ghc guys
[04:38] <desrt> like "please release by ____"
[04:38] <ajmitch> desrt: ghc is broken, so we make exceptions for it
[04:38] <desrt> up to the last minute?
[04:38] <ajmitch> but remember that we need to fix up all the packages that depend on ghc
[04:38] <desrt> oh.  true true
[04:38] <ajmitch> preferably last month :P
[04:38] <desrt> heh.
[04:39] <bddebian> What about something like xastir?  We have 1.4.1 and Debian has 1.6.0?
[04:39] <desrt> my friend and i are ghc platform maintatiners... but i'm fairly inactive :P
[04:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: got any good reason to update to 1.6.0?
[04:41] <bddebian> FTBFS?
[04:42] <ajmitch> FTBFS that can't be simply patched with 1.4.1?
[04:42] <ajmitch> a patch such as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288697 ?
[04:42] <bddebian> Dunno, that's the one I was asking about /usr/include/X11/extensions/Print.h earlier
[04:42] <ajmitch> that's another matter, then
[04:43] <ajmitch> since 1.6.0 would probably FTBFS for the same reason
[04:43] <bddebian> Well it must not on Debian :-)
[04:43] <ajmitch> that's because debian's x.org structure is different
[04:43] <ajmitch> ie, not split up
[04:44] <bddebian> Ahh
[04:45] <bddebian> Well it's another one that I don't know how to fix :-(
[04:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: looks simple enough, just building here & I'll upload
[04:50] <desrt> when is breezy final?
[04:51] <ajmitch> desrt: wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[04:51] <desrt> perfect
[04:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: Would you mind telling me what it is/was?
[04:51] <desrt> wow
[04:51] <desrt> i've been searching for this page for months
[04:51] <desrt> thanks :D
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: libxp-dev buil-dep
[04:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: How did you figure that out?
[04:55] <ajmitch> yay, now I get a different FTBFS with it
[04:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'm psychic
[04:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Come on man, I'm trying to learn here
[04:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: I knew about libxp
[05:00] <bddebian> I don't like you. :-)
[05:00] <ajmitch> I know
[05:01] <bddebian> Damnit, torcs still can't find libm
[05:06] <bddebian> tritium!!!
[05:06] <tritium> hey bddebian :)
[05:07] <bddebian> How's life?
[05:08] <tritium> crazy busy.  You?
[05:08] <bddebian> Same ol'
[05:11] <ajmitch> hi tritium
[05:12] <tritium> hi ajmitch :)
[05:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK Mr. SmartyPants, why can't torcs find sin in libm when objdump -T /usr/lib/libm.so yields sin ?
[05:13] <bddebian> :-)
[05:14] <ajmitch> because you broke it, of course
[05:15] <ajmitch> because you love it
[05:15] <ajmitch> I'm just waiting for torcs to build now
[05:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: what changes have you made to torcs?
[05:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: None except for the debian dropped stuff
[05:18] <bddebian> I even tried the Debian package
[05:18] <ajmitch> ok, so you're trying to merge, rather than building the source in the archive?
[05:18] <bddebian> Yep, sorry
[05:18] <ajmitch> right, because the source in archive works fine
[05:19] <bddebian> Doesn't it have an unmet build dep on plib1.3?
[05:19] <ajmitch> built ok in pbuilder for me
[05:19] <ajmitch> 1.2.2-5ubuntu4
[05:20] <bddebian> Aye, I just saw that
[05:20] <bddebian> This is 1.2.3-2
[05:20] <ajmitch> so it's a configure test that fails?
[05:21] <bddebian> Yes
[05:21] <bddebian> What's your version of libc6?
[05:21] <ajmitch> 2.3.5-1ubuntu10
[05:21] <ajmitch> everything of mine should be up to date
[05:22] <ajmitch> let me test the debian package
[05:22] <bddebian> Hmm, I only get 2.3.5-1ubuntu1
[05:22] <ajmitch> antique
[05:22] <bddebian> But it doesn't upgrade??
[05:22] <ajmitch> -1ubuntu1 is from may
[05:23] <ajmitch> building 1.2.3 now..
[05:24] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, nm.  dpkg -l is dropping the 0 from ubuntu10 :-)
[05:25] <ajmitch> pbuilder is great...
[05:25] <ajmitch> checking for sin in -lm... no
[05:25] <ajmitch> configure: error: Can't find libm. Please check config.log and if you can't solve the problem send the file to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with the subject "torcs compilation problem"
[05:25] <ajmitch> great, so there was some change from 1.2.2 to 1.2.3
[05:25] <bddebian> It builds fine on my etch machine though
[05:26] <ajmitch> 1337
[05:27] <bddebian> ?
[05:31] <bddebian> WTF is ac_check_lib_save_LIBS ?
[05:33] <ajmitch> dunno, look it up
[05:33] <ajmitch> fun
[05:33] <ajmitch> checking for plib/ssg.h... yes
[05:33] <ajmitch> checking for sin in -lm... yes
[05:34] <bddebian> ??
[05:36] <bddebian> You fixed that already too?
[05:36] <ajmitch> nope
[05:36] <bddebian> So what is that output from?
[05:36] <ajmitch> torcs
[05:37] <ajmitch> you should be
[05:37] <ajmitch> I know I am
[05:37] <ajmitch> ah, it passed configure this time round
[05:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: I think something might be a bit crackful here, I might take a look at it in a ouple of hours when I have time
[05:44] <bddebian> No problem I'm probably gonna head for bed anyhow
[05:44] <bddebian> And maybe just quit (again) :-)
[05:44] <ajmitch> ok
[05:44] <ajmitch> for the 3rd time this week ;)
[05:45] <bddebian> Aye.  I'm not bringing much to the table
[05:51] <crimsun> ah, the infamous -lm issue
[05:51] <crimsun> I've witnessed it five times myself on my amd64 pbuilder
[05:51] <bddebian> It is known?
[05:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: yep, and it showed up for a couple of builds, but not for subsequent builds
[05:51] <crimsun> ./configure will bail four out of five times
[05:51] <crimsun> mysteriously it will succeed on the fifth
[05:52] <ajmitch> that's great to know
[05:52] <ajmitch> jbailey: you seen this bug at all?
[06:04] <bddebian> Well gnight gentlemen
[06:04] <tritium> good night bddebian
[06:05] <ajmitch> night
[06:09] <jbailey> ajmitch: Which one is that?
[06:09] <jbailey> Can you reproduce it locally, or only on the buildds?
[06:09] <ajmitch> jbailey: locally, sometimes
[06:10] <jbailey> One of the hacks I've been thinking of for breezy+1 is dumping the config.log to stdout on failure.
[06:10] <jbailey> The config.log should have something useful in it.
[06:10] <ajmitch> configure not finding libm
[06:10] <ajmitch> it should :)
[06:10] <crimsun> yeah, that's the only useful thing I ever found in it
[06:11] <jbailey> Not finding *libm*?
[06:11] <ajmitch> sigh, it worked this time
[06:11] <ajmitch> yes
[06:11] <jbailey> Oy.
[06:11] <ajmitch> as crimsun said, it fails sometimes, but not all
[06:11] <jbailey> Are youusing execshield or anything like that which randomises address space?
[06:11] <ajmitch> stock breezy 2.6.12-6
[06:12] <ajmitch> I don't think ASLR patches are in, though some *may* have been
[06:12] <crimsun> and my amd64 pbuilder is using hoary's 2.6.10 (security errata)
[08:46] <pef> morning
[08:58] <siretart> moin pef
[09:00] <pef> siretart: hi. Some packages remaining for GLtransition are big (>=20Mb) I hope Motus have high speed links
[09:04] <siretart> pef: I hope you created .debdiffs ;)
[09:06] <pef> siretart: how to mention in changelog a changed dependency because a package changed its name ? (like libxml2-python2.4 is now python2.4-libxml2 )
[09:07] <siretart> changed dependency because  package libxml2-python2.4 is now python2.4-libxml2
[09:07] <siretart> I think that makes clear what and why you did a change. thats the purpose of th changeliog
[09:11] <pef> yes, short and efficient :)
[09:17] <pef> siretart: for theses kinds of changes (changed dependency, gl transtion) should I increment the version number (ubuntux+1) or just add ubuntuxbuild1 ?
[09:18] <siretart> pef: that depends on the package
[09:19] <pef> siretart: poker3d
[09:19] <siretart> pef: if you change any file other than debian/changelog, then you modified the package, and you would not want that debian syncs over your changes
[09:20] <siretart> pef: so you would want to add the 'ubuntu' suffix to prohibit automatic syncs from debian
[09:20] <siretart> pef: if you just need a rebuild, then a 'buildX' suffix is sufficient
[09:20] <pef> siretart: it already has ubuntu suffix, and I only change dependencies
[09:21] <siretart> then you need to maintain it, and just increment the last number
[09:25] <pef> siretart: thank you very much !
[09:26] <siretart> pef: you're welcome
[09:57] <pef> siretart: the changes I made will be send to Debian ?
[10:07] <siretart> pef: no. If you fixed something, please file a bug in the debian bts yourself, if you thing it should be incorporated in the debian package, too
[10:10] <pef> ok :)
[10:13] <siretart> think, even..
[10:19] <pef> not present into debian repository, so it's not a problem
[10:22] <thesaltydog> due to this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312075 I am no more able to use anjuta in breezy. There is a source patch available. Is it going to be included in Breezy soon?
[10:25] <pef> thesaltydog: if it's a critical bug I think yes
[10:27] <thesaltydog> pef, I cannot use anjuta anymore. I should switch back to hoary.
[10:27] <thesaltydog> pef who is in charge of anjuta for breezy?
[10:47] <siretart> thesaltydog: is there a malone bug for anjuta? if not, please file one and assign to MOTU
[10:48] <thesaltydog> siretart, I have just filed. Whom I have to assign it?
[10:49] <siretart> thesaltydog: bugnr?
[10:50] <ajmitch> setting it critical with priority high isn't exactly right - it doesn't cause the system to crash & burn
[10:50] <thesaltydog> siretart, 2035
[10:50] <ajmitch> siretart: same thing, just needs a sync, I think we may have asked elmo for one in the past but it slipped off the screen
[10:55] <siretart> ajmitch: may I quote you in the bugreport?
[11:00] <siretart> ok. now using all features malone gives us :)
[11:02] <thesaltydog> siretart, thank you reinhard. This Malone system looks very efficient..
[11:03] <siretart> no matter
[11:17] <StrikeForce> Can someone archive bittorrent and bittornado since they have been done
[11:20] <pef> StrikeForce: add a comment ?
[11:20] <StrikeForce> ok no worries
[12:18] <pef> what's the best way to generate a .debdiff ? using debdiff ou diff -Nru ?
[12:18] <ajmitch> debdiff pkg1.dsc pkg2.dsc
[12:21] <pef> ajmitch: thanks !
[12:22] <pef> ajmitch: I've tested every option but this :]
[12:22] <Kamion> can somebody poke j^ to create a bugzilla account next time he's around, please?
[12:22] <ajmitch> sure
[12:22] <Kamion> I want to make him the default network-manager assignee
[12:23] <ajmitch> yep, reading #u-devel
[12:24] <tseng_> will try to remember
[12:39] <herzi> ogra: ping
[12:40] <herzi> someone please take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039
[12:41] <pef> siretart: does it seems ok for you ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/pong2_0.1.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[12:47] <siretart> pef: I get a 'connection' refused from your webserver
[01:01] <pef> have you access to http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/pong2_0.1.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff ?
[01:05] <rbelem> morning people
[01:07] <pef> rbelem: hello
[01:08] <rbelem> hello pef how's going?
[01:09] <pef> rbelem: fine, as usual :) and you ?
[01:10] <rbelem> pef: fine but little bit sick and too headache
[01:11] <rbelem> pef: i'm without glass :-/
[01:13] <pef> rbelem: ouch, maybe a little sleep will solve that
[01:14] <rbelem> pef: eheheehe thats true
[01:15] <rbelem> pef: i'll sleep a bit more
[01:16] <pef> :p
[01:17] <rbelem-zzz> pef: thx pef ;-)
[01:18] <pef> rbelem-zzz: every problem has a solution :D
[01:28] <pef> ccache as a depends, should be a recommends, no ?
[01:29] <Nafallo> pef: context?
[01:30] <pef> Nafallo: package poker3d, ccache is set as a depends
[01:32] <Nafallo> pef: isn't here
[01:32] <Nafallo> pef: or rather... why didn't you say build-dep?
[01:33] <Nafallo> ccache probably shouldn't be there at all indeed
[01:33] <pef> Nafallo: should I delete it ? I find this strange
[01:34] <Nafallo> pef: yes. that's clearly out of order :-).
[01:35] <pef> Nafallo: *-Depends must be as tiny as possible, right ?
[01:35] <Nafallo> well, yes. it should build the package, and that's all :-)
[01:36] <pef> Nafallo: ok, thanks !
[01:36] <Nafallo> np
[01:36] <ajmitch> the developer probably wanted to pull it in for his pbuilder ;)
[01:37] <pef> ajmitch: it's a home made package
[01:37] <ajmitch> pef: home made?
[01:38] <pef> ajmitch: made by the upstream author
[01:38] <ajmitch> right
[01:38] <pef> Nafallo: ccache is used by somes targets in debian/rules, should I clean up this too ?
[01:38] <ajmitch> so he probably built it 20 times or so to get the packaging right
[01:38] <Nafallo> pef: yes
[01:40] <pef> Nafallo: do you think distcc can work with pbuilder ?
[01:41] <Nafallo> pef: can't see why it shouldn't :-)
[01:41] <ajmitch> I'm sure that some people have it going
[01:41] <ajmitch> you can always use pbuilder hooks to setup distcc appropriately
[01:41] <pef> ajmitch: like Jridell with his qt/kde stuff I presume
[01:42] <ajmitch> possibly
[01:47] <pef> can you please check the lasth changelog entry for language correction ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/changelog.txt
[03:20] <bddebian> Heya
[03:29] <pef> bddebian: hi :)
[03:29] <pef> is it possible to delete a package from universe if the author upstream request it ?
[03:32] <ogra> err, why does he request that ?
[03:32] <ogra> i mean, didnt he/she offer it under GPL ?
[03:33] <pef> ogra: he is preparing a brand new version, and the current version is too old for him
[03:33] <pef> ogra: he already remove the package from debian
[03:33] <ogra> what is it ?
[03:34] <pef> poker3d
[03:35] <ogra> uh, thats an odd package...
[03:35] <ogra> i had aready to fix it once...
[03:36] <pef> ogra: i'm currently doing the gltransition on it
[03:36] <pef> if remove from archive, it's not very usefull :)
[03:36] <ogra> but it has tons of dependencys ... does the current version work ?
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya pef
[03:37] <pef> ogra: I'm fixing openscengraph, a dependency, it's a big c++ source, and take a long time to compile
[03:37] <bddebian> Hmm, I have that on my unmetdeps list too
[03:37] <ogra> does the current version of poker3d in the archive work or not ?
[03:38] <bddebian> ogra: No
[03:38] <pef> ogra: broken dependenies, not installable
[03:39] <ogra> ah, ok.. then go ahead and sync the new version... as long as the package name stays the same it will be overruled...
[03:39] <ogra> so there should be no need to wipe it
[03:39] <ogra> if the name doesnt stay, a Replaces: should suffice
[03:40] <pef> ogra: upstream author working on new version, not currently available
[03:40] <pef> and don't know if available before breezy release :/
[03:40] <ogra> if thats there, sync it... is there an ETA ?
[03:40] <ogra> hmm, k
[03:40] <pef> ogra: no, will ask to the author
[03:41] <bddebian> might as well remove yaprimaxgui too unless someone brings in pxscan to multiverse
[03:41] <ogra> why remove them... leave them around as source until we get something better...
[03:42] <bddebian> ogra: Well I dunno but yaprimaxgui is in universe but depends on pxscan from multiverse.  Isn't that wrong.
[03:43] <pef> ogra: I just ask if it is technically possible, if the author requests like for Debian ;)
[03:43] <ogra> it is... and should get sorted
[03:43] <ogra> pef, it is... but why should we... if someone wants to play with the source its nice to have it available... even if its ftbfs
[03:44] <pef> ogra: ok, so I do the gltransition to makes the package installable, and tell the author to contact me when new version available ?
[03:44] <ogra> yup
[03:45] <ogra> if its in time for breezy and the package is better quality, i'm all for having a last minute sync
[03:45] <pef> ok, nice !
[03:46] <bddebian> ogra: Good, how about bringing in ezmlm too then :-)
[03:46] <ogra> lets get rid of the odd packages ;)
[03:46] <bddebian> Oh and debtags
[03:46] <ogra> bddebian, how about a list with such candidates that we review in the end...
[03:46] <bddebian> and libtagcoll1
[03:47] <herzi> ogra: can you take a quick look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039
[03:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: You awake?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> doubt that
[03:52] <bddebian> \sh!!!
[03:52] <\sh> that was fast
[03:52] <\sh> morning gentlemen :)
[03:53] <\sh> I just came home :)
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya \sh, how ya been?
[03:56] <bddebian> ogra: Review at the end of what?
[03:59] <\sh> bddebian: fine fine :) training course with certificate..now I can break Junipers ,-) and now I'm preparing to visit dholbach and meet treenaks in berlin
[03:59] <bddebian> Cool
[03:59] <bddebian> Slap dholbach for me ;-)
[04:00] <\sh> the plan is: going out for some beer with some working buddies in cologne....staying there until 4 o'clock (thats 2:00 UTC) and then taking the ICE train at 4:24 (2:24 UTC) from cologne to berlin..and reaching berlin at 9:03 (7:03 UTC)
[04:01] <\sh> so..during the journey to berlin i have a couple of hours of sleep :)
[04:02] <bddebian> :)
[04:02] <\sh> around 14:00 or 15:00 (12:00/13:00 UTC) treenaks will reach berlin as well..and after that we will meet somewhere...doing the natural key signing thing and have some beer in berlin
[04:03] <\sh> and sunday in the evening or monday morning I will go back home ;)
[04:05] <\sh> that is the plan...I mean it is _the_plan_ ,-)
[04:05] <lamont-away> is preview-freeze affecting universe?
[04:05] <ogra> bddebian, at the end of the release cycle...
[04:06] <ogra> bddebian, a week or two before release
[04:13] <\sh> ok...leaving now...cu later in berlin :)
[04:15] <bddebian> Later \sh
[04:16] <bddebian> We can drop the c2 from libqt3 now right?
[04:17] <bddebian> err c102
[04:18] <chillywilly> does anyone here know if I build a kernel using sources from kernel.org with make-kpkg --initrd will I need the cramfs initrd patch?
[04:19] <bddebian> chillywilly: Only after you do some MOTU work. ;-P
[04:19] <chillywilly> anyway...
[04:23] <bddebian> Don't know man, sorry
[04:25] <chillywilly> either that or I can pick a different file system for the image in mkinitrd.conf from what I can tell
[04:25] <herzi> doko: ping
[04:26] <doko> herzi: pong
[04:27] <\sh> re
[04:29] <bddebian> \sh_away: Make up your mind :-)
[04:32] <herzi> doko: another debuggin bug: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2039
[04:37] <doko> herzi: apt-cache search alleyoop doesn't show anything
[04:39] <doko> herzi: prepare a package, if you want to have it in universe
[04:46] <StrikeForce> Can someone look at a package in revu please?
[04:47] <StrikeForce> the package's name is Rufus its been there for awhile and I just uploaded a new upstream version that fixes some libwxgtk issues
[04:49] <herzi> doko: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=alleyoop
[04:51] <bddebian> alleyoop:
[04:51] <bddebian>   Installed: (none)
[04:51] <bddebian>   Candidate: 0.8.2-3
[04:51] <bddebian>   Version table:
[04:51] <bddebian>      0.8.2-3 0
[04:51] <bddebian>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[04:51] <bddebian> oops, sorry
[05:02] <herzi> siretart: ping
[05:18] <bddebian> Any bored MOTUs? :-)
[05:19] <siretart> herzi: pong
[05:20] <herzi> 1. can you please approve my revu request?
[05:20] <herzi> 2. is it possible to apt-get source the revu repo
[05:20] <herzi> ?
[05:20] <siretart> 1. done
[05:20] <siretart> 2. nope. will come with revu2
[05:21] <siretart> :)
[05:21] <bddebian> siretart: Good, wanna upload some stuff then? :-)
[05:22] <siretart> bddebian: I'm going home soon
[05:22] <bddebian> Gah, you all suck. :-)
[05:28] <chillywilly> how's it going anyway? Release is going to be in October right? That doesn't leave much time :)
[05:30] <siretart> right :/
[05:30] <bddebian> No kidding and I can't seem to get shit accomplished :-(
[05:31] <chillywilly> around what time in October is the release most likely going to happen?
[05:31] <chillywilly> middle of the month? end of the month?
[05:31] <Nafallo> chillywilly: 13th
[05:31] <chillywilly> sweet
[05:31] <chillywilly> hoary is getting a little old ;)
[05:32] <Nafallo> nope :-)
[05:35] <bddebian> chillywilly: So get to work helping "us" get towards breezy :-)
[05:36] <pef> can I replace xlibmesa-gl with libgl1-mesa ? (recommends field of a debian/control)
[05:37] <bddebian> pef: I believe so
[05:38] <chillywilly> bddebian: I don't have any time that's the problem
[05:38] <bddebian> chillywilly: I'm kidding you man. :-)
[05:38] <bddebian> chillywilly: I have time but no sk1llz ;-P
[05:39] <chillywilly> bah, come on now
[05:39] <pef> bddebian: it sounds correct with others glutransition packages names, but I want to be sure :)
[05:40] <pef> siretart: can I have your opinion ?
[05:41] <siretart> pef: imo you should. yes
[05:42] <pef> ok thanks
[05:44] <pef> siretart: and adding libgl, no ? (like libgl-dev )
[05:51] <siretart> pef: you mean the alternative, yes, do that please
[05:52] <pef> siretart: so it's another package to change with a new virtual one, should I update the wikipage about that ?
[05:53] <siretart> yes
[05:53] <siretart> sorry, I'm tryin to get my work here finished to get home
[05:54] <pef> siretart: oh, sorry to bother you
[05:55] <siretart> nm
[05:55] <siretart> ok.
[05:55] <siretart> leaving
[05:55] <siretart> cu later
[05:56] <pef> bye
[06:03] <bddebian> Later siretart
[06:12] <bddebian> Hello rbelem
[06:12] <rbelem> hello bddebian ;-)
[06:13] <rbelem> i'm tired yet :-/
[06:13] <bddebian> :-(
[06:15] <rbelem> today morning was very noisy
[06:18] <rbelem> next week will be the brazil independece week, then people are praticing with those musical instruments that i dont know how to say
[06:18] <rbelem> :-/
[06:19] <rbelem> hey bddebian the postgresql meta package should install postgresql-8.0 ?
[06:19] <rbelem> shouldnt install postgresql-8.0?
[06:21] <rbelem> currently it's installing postgresql-7.4
[06:25] <bddebian> rbelem: I would think so but what do I know? :-)
[06:35] <rbelem> bddebian: is it right? but it is in main :-/ i'll ask mpitt
[06:35] <bddebian> rbelem: I would think it should install 8
[06:38] <Seveas> pitti is the pgsql guru, so he should know :)
[06:39] <rbelem> heheheh thats true ;-)
[07:00] <bddebian> Do be do be dooo
[07:04] <pef> bye !
[07:04] <bddebian> Later pef
[07:14] <ivoks> motus!
[07:14] <ivoks> why do we still have mozilla-firefox in universe?
[07:14] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[07:15] <ivoks> hi
[07:15] <ivoks> so... any uploader here?
[07:16] <ivoks> ogra: is there any need for mozilla-firefox in universe? it's 1.0.2 and it's broken...
[07:17] <ogra> i guess not
[07:17] <ivoks> can we remove it?
[07:17] <ogra> can you ask elmo to remove it ?
[07:17] <ivoks> ogra: i would, but i get the feeling that he ignores me :)
[07:17] <ogra> then mail him
[07:18] <ivoks> and... IIRC, after instaling colony3 CD, installer installs mozilla-firefox
[07:18] <ogra> tell him i approved it
[07:18] <ivoks> but this i have to verify on monday
[07:18] <ivoks> ok, mailing him
[07:18] <ivoks> elmo at ubuntu.com?
[07:18] <ivoks> or jamer?
[07:18] <ivoks> james
[07:22] <ogra><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:23] <slomo> ogra: isn't it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? or are both correct
[07:23] <ogra> i think they work both... as well as @canonical.com
[07:25] <bddebian> slomo: You an uploader yet?
[07:26] <slomo> bddebian: no...
[07:26] <bddebian> Well WTF?
[07:27] <ivoks> bddebian: we are all 'on hold' :)
[07:27] <slomo> ivoks: did you already ping mako today? ;)
[07:31] <bddebian> ivoks: Why?
[07:41] <bddebian> What is this: get_byte(Uint8&) in C++?
[07:42] <jblack> That is a function that is given a pice of memory to store a 8 bit unsigned int in.
[07:42] <jblack> You call get_byte with a piece of memory, and it puts a character in that memory before it returns.
[07:43] <jblack> By the way, that looks like a prototype to me. Is there a missing ; on the end of that line?
[07:43] <bddebian> So it's a pointer address like in C ?
[07:55] <bddebian> ogra: Is there a definitive policy on bringing a new release over from Debian if it fixes FTBFS problems?
[07:55] <ivoks> slomo: no :)
[07:56] <slomo> ivoks: i've already done... no answer ;)
[07:56] <ivoks> :)
[07:56] <ivoks> slomo: i'll have to wait till LP get's fixed
[07:56] <slomo> ivoks: send him the stuff as mail
[07:57] <ogra> bddebian, nope... it really depends on the package
[07:57] <bddebian> This shit is all just to damn vague
[07:58] <ivoks> lol
[07:58] <ivoks> i got mail from elmo
[07:58] <ivoks> "Done"
[07:58] <ivoks> :))
[07:58] <slomo> ivoks: what done?
[07:58] <ivoks> flood (small one)
[07:58] <ivoks> > In breezy's universe repository, we have mozilla-firefox package wich is
[07:58] <ivoks> > obsolete. Could you, please, remove it? Ogra said that's ok.
[07:58] <ogra> currently i'd say the less likely you can break anything, the more likely we can have an exception
[07:58] <ivoks> Done
[07:59] <slomo> ivoks: ah ok :)
[07:59] <ivoks> now i know he isn't ignoring me
[07:59] <ogra> ivoks, so he doesnt ignore you as you fear ;)
[07:59] <ivoks> but, then again... anyone could send him such mail :)
[07:59] <bddebian> ogra: Well there is a patch on Debian BTS to fix the current version but it seems stupid if we are trying to keep in sync with Debian (btw shaketracker in this case)
[07:59] <ivoks> how did he know it's mine?
[07:59] <ivoks> :)
[08:00] <slomo> ivoks: i think he checks what you propose in the mail ;)
[08:00] <ivoks> ogra: yeah, that's good news :)
[08:00] <ogra> bddebian, what does it fix ?
[08:00] <bddebian> gcc4 build issues
[08:00] <ogra> so its ftbfs currently ?
[08:01] <bddebian> Yes
[08:01] <bddebian> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266355
[08:01] <ogra> that doesnt need approval... fixing ftbfs and not introducing new ones is always ok
[08:02] <bddebian> Well who can do it?
[08:02] <ogra> just make sure it doesnt brak othe packages
[08:03] <bddebian> ogra: How do I do that?
[08:03] <ogra> testbuild, make sure other depending stuff stays in shape...
[08:03] <slomo> bddebian: is it a library?
[08:04] <bddebian> slomo: No
[08:05] <slomo> bddebian: then it won't break something ;) so just test if it builds
[08:15] <bddebian> OK, it builds fine from Debian
[09:00] <bddebian> Later folks ( If anyone is awake ;-) )
[10:16] <hmrocha> could you do a netbeans deb package?
[10:53] <bur[n] er> anyone have any luck with qemu & kqemu in breezy?
[11:10] <bddebian> What's the replacement for xlibmesa-dev?
[11:11] <bddebian> Oh, nm
[11:20] <ogra_ltsp> grmpf
[11:20] <bddebian> ?
[11:22] <ogra> see u-d
[11:23] <bddebian> The network problem?
[11:23] <ogra> nope i couldnt answer PM
[11:23] <bddebian> Ohh, #u-d :-)
[11:24] <ogra> i just grmpfed in the wrong channel
[11:25] <ajmitch> morning
[11:25] <bddebian> Hi honey
[11:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: btw, please don't ask for ezmlm to be imported, since it was removed from debian
[11:26] <ogra> ajmitch, and ?
[11:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: Then we should remove xezmlm then
[11:26] <ajmitch> at best it would go into multiverse
[11:26] <ogra> remember, it can always enter again through apt-get.org :P
[11:26] <ajmitch> ogra: it's non-free
[11:27] <bddebian> Wasn't it in multiverse (xezmlm anyway?)
[11:27] <ogra> then it could enter multiverse if someone requests it... as long as its redistributable
[11:28] <bddebian> Damnit, rezound can't find libFOX even though it's there :-(
[11:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Speaking of which, did you ever get any more time on the libm thing?
[11:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[11:29] <ajmitch> ogra: last upstream release of ezmlm is back in pre-history :)
[11:29] <ajmitch> at least the last one that made it into debian
[11:29] <ogra> hmm, dinosaurware
[11:30] <ajmitch> replaced by ezmlm-idz
[11:30] <ajmitch> s/idz/idx/
[11:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: AYe, idx and -data or some shit right?
[11:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: Is there anything I can do that you haven't already tried then? ;-P
[11:31] <ajmitch> I'm sure there is
[11:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you try beta-3 rezound from Debian?
[11:33] <ajmitch> nope
[11:38] <bddebian> Well it build-deps libfox1.4-dev which we don't have :-)
[11:39] <ajmitch> yep, I saw that ;)
[11:44] <bddebian> I pretty much just suck :'-(


[01:07] <rww> dealing with it ^
[01:33] <LjL> oh lord now we get questions about software center-purchased software
[01:33] <LjL> kill me
[01:33] <rww> Indeed. I'm considering buying one just to see whether it's as screwy as buying from U1MS was for me.
[01:33] <Jordan_U> LjL: Why?
[01:34] <LjL> because i'm not in #ubuntu to answer (or see) questions about purchased software
[01:34] <LjL> i can go to plenty other places for that :(
[01:34] <persia> We probably need to develop a general strategy for dealing with applications designed for Ubuntu that aren't *in* Ubuntu.
[01:35] <LjL> agreed
[01:35] <persia> Some are free, some are non-free.  Some cost, some don't cost.  Anyway, needs a plan
[01:36] <LjL> thing is, being a volunteer *for the community* is all well and good, being a support person for paid software wasn't in the contract :P
[01:36] <persia> For development, we ended up creating #ubuntu-packaging for people who want to package for PPAs rathe than for Ubuntu, and #ubuntu-app-devel for people who want to develop for Ubuntu, rather than developing Ubuntu.
[01:36] <persia> I expect we need equivalents on the support side.
[01:37] <persia> LjL: I'm *not* suggesting that you, personally, should support anything you don't want to support, rather that I think we can avoid arguments about who supports what if there is differentiation in support channels.
[01:37] <LjL> persia: yes i agree
[01:39] <LjL> persia: #ubuntu-software is free, for the record. first name i could think of that seemed sensible.
[01:40] <persia> Are there parellel channels for other operating systems?
[01:40] <LjL> persia: what do you mean, like #gentoo-software?
[01:41] <persia> I was thinking of Mac OS or Android forums where folk support addons.
[01:41] <persia> Microsoft doesn't ship enough by default, and has too wide a market share to usefully use as an example for this.
[01:41] <LjL> persia: i doubt it. but you see it's a bit different, other OS's don't necessarily have a "this is part of it" and "this is not" distinction
[01:42] <LjL> persia: also, Mac channels are already supporting a proprietary/paid OS in the first place so they may as well support the rest
[01:42] <LjL> persia: #android is well, not a great channel with great rules in place
[01:43] <LjL> and other Linux distributions likely haven't encountered this issue yet, either because they only ship free software or because they haven't started shipping paid software yet, i guess
[01:43] <persia> We don't ship paid software either.
[01:44] <LjL> well, paid software being in Software Center seems close enough to me
[01:44] <persia> We just ship tools that allow folk to download paid software.  Other folk do this also: linspire was a fairly widely discussed example.
[01:44] <persia> See, that's why we need a general strategy: we need to all agree on what is and isn't part of Ubuntu if we want to be successful in deciding what to support.
[01:46] <LjL> persia: even then, i'm fine with occasionally helping people in #Ubuntu install software that's not in the repos and get it running (though for the specifics of that software's usage, they really should refer to other places). i wouldn't want that ability to go away either. but at the same time i don't want people to think that because something "is in Ubuntu" (to them, as normal users, software in Software Center "is in Ubuntu"), it'll be supported by #
[01:46] <LjL> ubuntu even if it's paid and everything
[01:46] <LjL> anyway it's past bedtime for me, we'll continue this discussion another day maybe
[01:47] <persia> Right, which is why we need semantics.
[01:47] <persia> Sleep well :)
[01:47] <LjL> thanks
[01:47] <persia> Oh, and just to be clear, I very much believe we need to support *software centre*, but once folks install things, if those things are not part of Ubuntu, I'm not sure we need to support them.  Yes this is confusing, hence the need for a plan.
[01:52] <IdleOne> isn't the software that is paid for supported by canonical?
[01:52] <persia> I don't believe that is a requirement.  Maybe it happens to be true today.
[01:53] <persia> I know sofdtware center supports arbitrary "Channels", so that anyone can add a Channel.  I think there is no thing limiting people from adding paid things (although I believe they would be expected to use the Canonical payment service)
[01:54] <IdleOne> for the record I agree that the paid software should be supported in some other channel other than #ubuntu.
[01:54] <IdleOne> the devs of that software are being paid I don't think it unreasonable to expect them to support it also
[01:57] <persia> I don't really care if the devs are getting paid, or if they are donating all proceeds to the campaign to eradicate malaria: to me the important part is that random stuff in Software Center isn't being supported by the Ubuntu Developers, so the social conventions we have to coordinate between support teams, triage/testing teams, and development teams fails to cover those applications.
[02:00] <persia> Conversely, I'm more than happy to help e.g. the Sugar team do their stuff: many of them get paid, but they produce free software and collaborate with Ubuntu, rather than just using Ubuntu as a delivery platform.
[02:07] <rww> As far as I'm concerned, if it's in main, restricted, universe, or multiverse, it's in the scope of #ubuntu. Anything outside of that is not Ubuntu and thus offtopic for #ubuntu *shrug*
[02:08] <rww> oh, maybe also partners. Though I don't go in depth with that personally since things in partners give me a headache.
[02:08] <rww> but yeah, I agree we need to hash out the details of all this.
[02:08] <persia> rww: I share your mental model: I still think we need a good place for the rest of the folks to go.  If we send everyone to the same place, and there are enough of them, they will develop a community.
[02:11] <rww> I'm conflicted about whether it's a good idea, but I see your point.
[02:12] <persia> Like I said, it worked for the development channels.  I'm not sure if it works for the support channels: I have opinions, but only the support teams can decide what works for them.
[03:59] <rww> Okay, so Virtualbox and Ubuntu are being silly together, but I got through to actually buying something (for $0), and here are the things that I have discovered:
[04:00] <rww> 1) I still dislike software center, 2) The way this works is that you pay and then get given a private PPA subscription tied to your Launchpad account. For people in the Ubuntu Font beta, it's like that was.
[04:00] <rww> 3) I guess on-reinstall you just re-add the private PPA and install the relevant package
[04:01] <Jordan_U> rww: Is there an interface via launchpad for recovering the PPA links, or does there appear to be some other way to access your paid applications after a re-install (if you didn't save the information)?
[04:01] <rww> So basically, it's all through LP, presumably payment issues are Canonical's problem like they are with U1MS, and you can get software again after a reinstall.
[04:02] <rww> Jordan_U: https://launchpad.net/~rww/+archivesubscriptions , with the obvious substitution
[04:02] <rww> I think there's a way to make LP URLs redirect to your actual username, but I forget
[04:03] <rww> oh, there we go. http://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archivesubscriptions/
[04:04] <rww> and in case you want to play with it yourself, the $0 game I got was Vendetta Online. It has a demo period or something.
[04:05] <rww> (it's still downloading and presumably won't work in vbox anyway)
[04:11] <persia> Why not?  VBox ticket 475 was fixed about a year ago.
[04:11] <rww> 02:59 <+rww> Okay, so Virtualbox and Ubuntu are being silly together
[04:11] <rww> which it is entirely likely is user error, but w/e.
[04:12] <persia> Oh, heh :)
[04:12] <rww> plus the host is Debian without non-free firmware, which my Radeon needs to be at all good at 3D stuff, so...
[04:18] <highvoltage> open source driver is plenty enough for video and compiz
[04:18] <highvoltage> (I guess not so much for games though)
[04:19] <rww> Debian + Free Software driver + lack of firmware-linux-nonfree = lol.
[04:19] <Jordan_U> highvoltage: Without the firmware though you don't get any DRI even with the open drivers.
[04:19] <rww> it's an odd situation.
[04:22] <rww> aaaaannndddd the VM just hung. lol.
[04:23] <Jordan_U> rww: I've found kvm (if your processor supports it) plays much more nicely with Ubuntu (out of the box at least).
[04:24] <Jordan_U> Both as a host and as a guest.
[04:31] <highvoltage> Jordan_U: ok, weird. I got good 3d performance with my radeon x1250 with the open source radeon driver and (to the best of my knowledge) I didn't have the firmware installed.
[04:32] <Jordan_U> highvoltage: Ubuntu and older versions of Debian (and upstream linux kernel) come with the proprietary firmware by default.
[04:33] <highvoltage> Jordan_U: ah, that would explain it
[04:41] <rww> and according to $random_user in #ubuntu, the PPA method above isn't used by at least one of those paid apps. So that's fun.
[04:50]  * Jordan_U wishes there were a way to remove marks in the ban tracker so they didn't clutter my list of unremoved bans
[07:52] <jussi> FYI
[07:52] <jussi> !kppa
[07:56] <ikonia> why does kubuntu need it's own factoid
[07:56] <ikonia> they are the same ppa's as ubuntu are they not ?
[08:05] <jussi> no
[08:05] <ikonia> how are they different ?
[08:09] <jussi> hang on a sec, work.
[08:09] <ikonia> no problem, just curious
[08:14] <jussi> Yeah, so a fair while back, the Kubuntu team was providing updates only via these's PPA's. Now, these PPA's are the offical kubuntu PPA's and used for testing or updating your system - many kubuntu users use them, hence the factoid. Id suggest a read of: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy and the thread at  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-September/003272.html as well as the url in the factoid.
[08:24] <ikonia> but they are the same actual ppas as the ubuntu ones, same process, same actual repos etc
[08:26] <Tm_T> ikonia: same actual ppas as the ubuntu ones?
[08:31] <ikonia> as in kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu shares the same ppa infrastrucutre/process/files
[08:33] <Tm_T> I'm confused
[08:33] <Tm_T> I think we are talking about different things (:
[08:33] <tsimpson> not sure what you mean there, the Kubuntu PPAs are for Qt/KDE packages, all hosted on Launchpad
[08:34] <tsimpson> they are separate from the "normal" ubuntu repositories
[08:34] <Tm_T> so yes, same technical ppa but the packages is the thing here, not how they are done or shared
[08:41] <ikonia> yes, I'm trying to understand the difference between a PPA for ubuntu and a PPA for kde
[08:41] <persia> In some sense, those PPAs aren't Ubuntu.  In another sense, they are similar to the GNOME3 PPA: ways that Ubuntu devs deliver newer upstreams than could fit in a release.
[08:41] <jussi> the point of the factoid is for letting people know about the Kubuntu PPA's and their use, similar to the way we have factoids for other "bleeding edge" software talking about the ppa's.
[08:41] <jussi> persia: hi. and exactly :)
[08:42] <ikonia> ah, so it's not the mechanism, it's the change in policy
[08:42] <jussi> yes.
[08:42] <persia> What?  What change in policy?
[08:42]  * persia gets worried
[08:44] <tsimpson> ikonia: it's a Kubuntu PPA in the sense than it's 1) maintained by the Kubuntu developers and 2) is Qt/KDE specific, PPAs are just easier/quicker/better than doing everything in -updates/-backports
[08:45] <persia> s/better/less trustworthy, limited in ways like not working on my or Tm_T's computers, and other bad things/
[08:46] <tsimpson> better for normal people anyway ;)
[08:46] <jussi> persia: This has been around for a a good while now...
[08:46] <Tm_T> well yes, PPA lacking PowerPC support is a long minus (;
[08:46] <persia> jussi, I know.  I just object to anyone calling PPAs "better".
[08:46] <jussi> hehe
[08:47] <jussi> just depends on your point of view I guess
[08:47] <Tm_T> better in some cases, not just "better."
[08:47] <tsimpson> LP has had bugs filed about not supporting PPC (and some other archs) in PPA for a long time
[08:47] <Tm_T> I would assume it's about resources too
[08:48] <Tm_T> PPC builders are often rather occupied even without PPA
[08:48] <persia> It's more about nobody making hardware that could run the builders these days.
[08:48] <Tm_T> persia: that's partly what I mean by resources (:
[08:48] <tsimpson> the PPAs are just VMs, so it's restricted to the intel/amd archs
[08:49] <jussi> I thought the PPA's did arm also??
[08:49] <Tm_T> tsimpson: I would imagine if there were resources, there would be a possibility to have PPC builds for PPAs too for requested projects or such
[08:50] <Tm_T> back to harvesting materials ->
[08:50] <persia> tsimpson, 1) KVM works fine on my G4.  2) See http://dmtechtalk.wordpress.com/ for ways to do it without VMs.  3) I can't find the URL, but see zulcss's documetnation of using LXC on armel to host the OpenStack cloud stuff.
[08:51] <tsimpson> hmm, true
[08:52] <persia> jussi, It gets complicated.  Some people have PPAs that can build on the regular builders (so can do powerpc/armel).  Some people have access to a couple special armel PPA builders.  The other 15,000 PPAs are i386/armel only.
[08:52] <tsimpson> IDK, normal buildd's have twice the archs as PPA buildd's
[08:53] <tsimpson> there are 2 armal and 2 lpia builders, so I guess they aren't used in "normal" PPAs
[08:53] <persia> I think the lpia ones are leftovers to support hardy.
[08:54] <persia> From what I've heard, the armel ones are restricted to a few special PPAs (like the Texas Instruments PPA, where they work on their free software stack)
[08:54] <tsimpson> I guess they add to the normal builders near release time too
[08:55] <persia> Well, no.
[08:56] <persia> The configuration is far too different, and not being virtual, non-trivial to swap to other behaviour.
[08:57] <tsimpson> no, I mean the normal armel builders
[08:58] <persia> I mean that I'm fairly sure the 2 armel PPA buildds don't become distro buildds around release time because it would be lots of work and the folks that need to do that work are terribly busy with other release-time things.
[08:59] <tsimpson> the other PPA builders do
[09:00] <tsimpson> anywho... :)
[09:00] <persia> Yes, they do.  They are all just VMs, so it's trivial to repurpose the hardware (using VM admin tool of choice, shut down undesired VM, start up desired VM, get coffee)
[09:00] <persia> Yes, anywho :)
[09:01] <Tm_T> Who? any!
[09:01]  * Tm_T hides
[13:47] <bazhang> launchpad has linuxmint bugs filed under ubuntu?
[13:47] <bazhang> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/780769
[13:48] <jussi> that appears to be filed under linux mint, no?
[13:49] <bazhang> the bot says "ubuntu bug"
[13:49] <jussi> thats a bot bug, not an LP bug :)
[13:49] <jussi> !bug | bazhang
[13:49] <jussi> PLease file it :)
[18:37] <UndiFineD> o/
[18:40] <persia> Hey UndiFineD
[18:41] <UndiFineD> hey hello persia
[18:41] <UndiFineD> I heard good things about you
[18:41] <persia> What's up?
[18:41] <persia> (thanks)
[18:43] <UndiFineD> I had been talking with LjL, topyli, and popey about getting a link to our survey up in #ubuntu , we decided to wait until it was up at the planet and ubuntuforums as well
[18:43] <UndiFineD> so that has been arranged now :)
[18:57] <ikonia> survey ?
[18:59] <UndiFineD> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/5766647068
[19:02] <ikonia> just filled it in for you, but what are you looking to do with it in #ubuntu ?
[19:02] <UndiFineD> to get it into the topic
[19:05] <UndiFineD> http://pastebin.com/FWid67SN
[19:05] <UndiFineD> that is the previous conversation about  it
[19:30] <ikonia> I guess it's going to come down to the council, personally, I don't think anything should be advertised in #ubuntu - that#s not it's function,
[19:33] <UndiFineD> I know, I am only trying because they offered it .. as you can read I was spamming the url in several channels and then they asked me to come here
[19:34] <UndiFineD> so I was just as suprised by the offer
[19:34] <ikonia> are you doing this for your own personal interest / project or as something to do with canonical ?
[19:34] <UndiFineD> I only do this for ubuntu adverts, the result from the research will be published to the community
[19:35] <ikonia> ubuntu adverts ?
[19:35] <ikonia> what is that
[19:36] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts
[19:36] <UndiFineD> a replacement for the somewhat dead marketing team
[19:36] <ikonia> why is there still an active #ubuntu-marketing team channel
[19:37] <UndiFineD> I dont know.. as far as I can tell nothing is done there anymore
[19:38] <ikonia> I actually find your wiki page offensive
[19:38] <UndiFineD> why is that ?
[19:38] <ikonia> and really quite insulting, considering you're supposed to be doing marketing - I think your content is a disgrace to present on the public internet
[19:39] <ikonia> you offer empathy for windows users, think of them has horders who's hoarding damages relationships
[19:39] <ikonia> windows users can "upgrade" to ubuntu
[19:39] <ikonia> so bascially you're name calling and instuling people who use windows
[19:39] <ikonia> you call ubuntu an "upgrade"
[19:40] <ikonia> this is the public information you're putting out to people in the name of ubuntu - I finding it a disgrace
[19:41] <ikonia> I'm finding it a disgrace I should say
[19:41] <ikonia> looks like a bunch of people rubbishing childishly other operating systems and making wide claims about ubuntu
[19:41] <ikonia> sorry, but if you're calling yourself adverts/marketing - you should know better
[19:42] <UndiFineD> well, that is not my intention .. I have worked with almost any OS out there
[19:42] <ikonia> if that's not your intention, you should think more about what you are putting on the public internet in the name of ubuntu
[19:42] <ikonia> rather than utter tosh,
[19:43] <UndiFineD> so if you could point me to the "upgrade" wording
[19:43] <ikonia> I'm genuinly offended that you're doing it in the name of ubuntu
[19:43] <ikonia> Educating Windows users after their upgrade to Ubuntu.
[19:44] <UndiFineD> ok, I got it
[19:44] <ikonia> based on this content I have serious worried about the rest of your non-published material
[19:44] <ikonia> Improve consumer confidence that their printer/scanner/music player will work with Ubuntu without problems
[19:44] <ikonia> do you know all the supported devices ?
[19:44] <ikonia> do you know the limitations ?
[19:45] <UndiFineD> yes I know there are limitations
[19:45] <ikonia> do you know them all
[19:45] <ikonia> (or at least the main ones)
[19:45] <ikonia> do you have them documented
[19:45] <ikonia> because this is stuff you are saying on the public interenet as fact
[19:46] <ikonia> I cannot believe you actually put this on a marketing web page
[19:46] <ikonia> Encourage empathy for Windows users - one example is to think of Win users as like hoarders whose OS experiences negatively impact their relationships
[19:47] <ikonia> I'm tempted to write a letter of complaint about this
[19:47] <ikonia> and you have the balls to "educate hardware suppliers"
[19:47] <ikonia> not very happy at all with this page
[19:48] <ikonia> who is the leader of this team ?
[19:48] <UndiFineD> hmmm
[19:49] <UndiFineD> I think mattgriffin is the driving force atm
[19:49] <ikonia> he works for canonical yes ?
[19:49] <UndiFineD> yes
[19:49] <ikonia> then he should know better, and I will be writing a letter on it
[19:50] <UndiFineD> mind if I copy this conversation to him >?
[19:50] <ikonia> this foolish desire to "convert" people
[19:50] <ikonia> it's this sort of stupidity that does more harm than good
[19:50] <ikonia> just make a good OS, stop trying to push stuff on people
[19:51] <rww> While we're airing things, and since you didn't reply to my question the other day about who I should contact, your survey asks for peoples' gender. Not only is this pointless, it also reinforces the concept that there are only two genders, that people who do not identify as one of them are problematic, that gender is important to computing use, and other such issues.
[19:51] <rww> These are assumptions that you should perhaps reconsider, since they are not accurate.
[19:51] <ikonia> rww: the whole thing stinks of another team that's not thought through, has no / little experience in what they are doing and are acting in the name of ubuntu
[19:53] <UndiFineD> rww, it is an interesting fact, the previous estimate of 2,5 procent female users will have to be adjusted, very likely to 10%
[19:53] <ikonia> why does it matter ?
[19:54] <rww> UndiFineD: Your survey has myriad issues that make it statistically useless, so no, it will not.
[19:54] <ikonia> why not ask for your sexuality or your height
[19:54] <ikonia> it's equally as random
[19:54] <ikonia> and useles
[19:54] <ikonia> s
[19:54] <ikonia> sorry to have a go on this, but you're acting in the name of an ubuntu team, and this falls well bellow what I think people representing ubuntu teams should be putting out on the public internet
[19:54] <charlie-tca> I disagree with that idea
[19:54] <UndiFineD> so we have #ubuntu-women for no reason ?
[19:55] <ikonia> UndiFineD: no, for women to get involved in a seperate team/group
[19:55] <charlie-tca> If a goal is to increase the number of female users, one must know where you are starting to know if it increased in the future
[19:55] <rww> UndiFineD: I'm not sure what #ubuntu-women has to do with the apparent fact that you didn't consult anyone who knows anything about statistics or gender before making claims.
[19:55] <ikonia> why do you want to increase the number of female users ? or male users,
[19:56] <charlie-tca> The ultimate goal would be to have as many of each, instead of 98% male users
[19:56] <rww> But anyways, I have to go. Just wanted to throw that out there, since it annoyed me and is why I didn't complete that survey.
[19:57] <persia> Let's not get sidetracked on gender issues.  They are hopelessly complex.
[19:57] <ikonia> charlie-tca: the goal is to just have happy users,
[19:57] <persia> If *any* group is under-represented, we're doing it wrong, but concentrating on who we have, or
[19:57] <charlie-tca> I don't believe that is correct. I have seen several times that it was brought up we want a mix, not an entire base of one gender
[19:58] <persia> who we want quickly gets drowned in confusing arguments.
[19:58] <ikonia> charlie-tca: then that is someone elses fantasy
[19:58] <charlie-tca> I will agree to disagree with you on that
[19:58] <ikonia> sure
[19:58] <UndiFineD> ikonia, thanks for your insight, you are welome to help us if you like
[19:59] <ikonia> I don't see any value to what you're doing personally
[20:00] <topyli> can we please calm down and be civil. my backlog is terrible :)
[20:00] <maco> charlie-tca: the trouble is the survey isn't actually statistically valid for how many women use or are involved with ubuntu
[20:01] <UndiFineD> well ikonia, you are the only one who has expressed these comments until now, and I like strong opinions :)
[20:01] <maco> charlie-tca: you need a random sample for that and "people who voluntarily fill out a survey on the internet and are willing to give out personal details x, y, and z" is not random
[20:01] <topyli> problems are there to be fixed
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Well, maybe someone could help them rather than just rant at them
[20:02] <ikonia> or maybe they could think about what they are putting on the internet in the name of ubuntu
[20:02] <topyli> this might actually help, but it might as well be nice
[20:02] <maco> charlie-tca: i dont think it's possible to get a survey of a random sample of *all users*  -- a survey of well-defined group such as ubuntu members or developers would be possible
[20:02] <CarlFK> charlie-tca: who is the 'them' that is being ranted at?
[20:02] <ikonia> CarlFK: I'm ranting at the group running the team
[20:03] <charlie-tca> UndiFineD being ranted at by ikonia for over an hour?
[20:03] <charlie-tca> instead of offering to help.
[20:03] <ikonia> charlie-tca: I don't have to help
[20:03] <UndiFineD> I have a thick skin :) I hope positive things will come from this
[20:03] <ikonia> but I find the content of the page offensive
[20:04] <CarlFK> ikonia: you should help them find something else to do :)
[20:04] <ikonia> I think a group of people using the name ubuntu and marketing/advertising should know better
[20:04] <charlie-tca> no, you don't. But ranting at the wrong person will not do anything, will it?
[20:04] <ikonia> he's not the wrong person
[20:04] <ikonia> he's a member of the team
[20:04] <ikonia> UndiFineD: apologies, I assumed you are male
[20:04] <UndiFineD> you are correct
[20:05] <ikonia> phew
[20:05] <UndiFineD> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UndiFineD
[20:05] <UndiFineD> CarlFK, I do not need something else to do
[20:06] <ikonia> a very impressive page
[20:06] <topyli> should this discussion move to another channel like #marketing, or your new channel? people might need this channel to resolve bans and such on-topic stuff
[20:07] <ikonia> topyli: that's my fault, sorry
[20:07] <maco> i do agree with rww that you *really* ought to fix the "gender" question to be more open-ended
[20:07] <UndiFineD> ikonia, I am only doing my part where i can
[20:07] <CarlFK> what #chan are we moving to?
[20:08] <topyli> UndiFineD: ^
[20:08] <UndiFineD> #ubuntu-advert
[20:08] <UndiFineD> #ubuntu-adverts
[23:54] <LjL> see what the "no support" nonsense non-policy creates in #ubuntu-offtopic: [00:49:56] <waxrose_> engammalsko, This is not a support channel so any thing in relation to Ubuntu should be in #ubuntu.


[07:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:57] <cjae> why is the always reports of unable to connect to ibus
[07:57] <cjae> there*
[08:04] <lordievader> Is ibus installed?
[08:05] <lordievader> cjae: ^
[08:15] <Ratabuntu> I got that on my old laptop after doin a dist-upgrade
[08:20] <jugo00> hi all! is it possible to run hd movies with 60fps ? i managed to do that on windows 8, but i decided to switch to kubuntu and i'm wondering if there is a way to achieve this effect in kubuntu too.
[08:46] <Ratabuntu> well jugo, depending on your gfx hardware you may need to install a manufacturers driver for it. try out xbmc or vlc see how you get on. there are options in system settings for nvidia and amd GPU's
[09:56] <RodNICE> I'm on Kubuntu wondering if anyone has ever connected Base to MySQL
[09:59] <johnflux> It's really frustrating when you google a question, find the top result is the ubuntu Q&A, click on it, and find out that the mods have deleted it for not being a suitable question
[09:59] <johnflux> seems to happen quite a bit
[13:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[18:27] <SouL___> Hey guys, I have a DVD with a family film. Do you know how can I grab it and put it into a USB stick?
[18:28] <bprompt> hmm
[18:28] <bprompt> SouL___:     I use k9copy to rip dvds
[18:29] <bprompt> but surely there are other tools for that
[18:29] <SouL___> When I search for that on the Internet, I only get answers about installing Ubuntu
[18:29] <bprompt> well...kubuntu IS ubuntu, just using the kde window and desktop managers
[18:30] <bprompt> as opposed to ubuntu using Unity and compiz  or lxde or xfce
[18:30] <SouL___> When I search for that on the Internet, I only get answers about installing Ubuntu
[18:30] <bprompt> ?
[18:36] <BluesKaj> SouL___, use k3b to rip the dvd in "tools" or http://k3b.plainblack.com/videoencoding
[18:37] <bprompt> one may note that "ripping" takes about 10times less time than encoding
[18:38] <BluesKaj> well ripping implies data loss and compression
[18:38] <BluesKaj> hence lower resilution
[18:38] <BluesKaj> resolution
[18:39] <BluesKaj> SouL___, use k3b to rip the dvd in "tools" or http://k3b.plainblack.com/videoencoding
[18:42] <SouL___> BluesKaj: hey, thanks, where it will save the data if I press Start ripping?
[18:44] <BluesKaj> SouL___, usually to your /home dir , but I haven't done one in a while
[18:45] <SouL___> ok, I'm trying... THanks BluesKaj
[18:46] <BluesKaj> SouL___, look there to see if there's a "part" file
[19:31] <jonathanverner> Today I've upgraded my !2.04 installation to kde 4.13.2 (from kubuntu-backports); the upgrade probably went horribly wrong (for some reasons the installed libraries contained junk); I tried reinstalling all of the upgraded packages (from /var/log/apt/history) and now at least kde starts. But upon starting apport goes crazy on me and indicating that quite a few programs crash
[19:33] <jonathanverner>  http://imgur.com/Gcs6PrX (is the my current systray, when I click on one of the ! icons to show apport, this usually leads to another crash and another ! appearing, eventually crowding out all my top panel)
[19:33] <jonathanverner> does anyone know what to do to fix the problem
[19:34] <jonathanverner> (and what I could do to find out the reason why the upgrade went so wrong...)
[19:36] <BluesKaj> joshwambua, did you update and upgrade your existing packages before doing dist-upgrade
[19:36] <BluesKaj> oops jonathanverner ^
[19:40] <jonathanverner> I am not sure, I was using muon (I think)
[19:41] <jonathanverner> I was previously at kde version 4.13.0
[19:43] <BluesKaj> what about upgrading now, jonathanverner
[19:44] <jonathanverner> when I upgrade (apt-get upgrade) it does nothing
[19:44] <jonathanverner> I had to apt-get --reinstall install the packages to even get a partly working system
[19:46] <jonathanverner> Hmm, now I wonder, if this could possibly have something to do with the fact that my system partition is on btrfs and I only have around 1.4 Gb free space left... I heard btrfs had some problems with gracefully handling out of space conditions
[19:46] <jonathanverner> but I am on a 3.5 kernel and I think that by then, btrfs was reasonably free of these problems
[19:52] <BluesKaj> jonathanverner, ok , dunno anything about btrfs and it's quirks
[19:58] <jonathanverner> BluesKaj, well never mind; the upgrade kind of ruined my day, but I guess thats the danger in using 'unsupported' repositories :-) The worst thing about it is that I don't know what the cause was and I don't even have a clue about where to start looking
[20:03] <BluesKaj> kubuntu backports are supported repos, jonathanverner, afaik
[20:07] <jonathanverner> BluesKaj, hmm, didn't know that. However, I did check 'unsupported' updates in the 'Configure Software Sources' (and thought that meant kubuntu-backports, my bad)
[20:07] <BluesKaj> oops
[20:15] <BluesKaj> jonathanverner, hmm seems I'm mistaken , the new kde 4.13.2 is a ppa , hence not officially supported
[20:17] <BluesKaj> altho I dunno why it didn't muck up my setup, but I update and upgrade everyday since I'm testing 14.10
[20:19] <jonathanverner> BluesKaj, I think it wasn't the kde 13.4.2 itself but something which interfered with the upgrade process; at first, some of the installed files contained junk (e.g. libraries didn't even have ELF headers) and had to be reinstalled; and I guess that some of this breakage still remains and causes the crashes;
[20:21] <bprompt> kde 13.4.2?   woohh... jonathanverner  must be coming from the future
[20:21] <jonathanverner> I'd love to know what it was, that killed the upgrade, but now, after the fact, I don't have much hopes of answering this question :-) Oh, well... time to go back trying to put the system in a workable state
[20:21] <jonathanverner> bprompt :-D, I admit that is a funny typo
[20:23] <bprompt> so I wonder....     what makes some folks think that if an app is not using libs from say kde 4.13     and instead 4.8    .... it wouldn't be borked?
[20:24] <jonathanverner> bprompt, who thinks that?
[20:25] <bprompt> I did install 14.04 btw.... and some apps weren't in the repository or wouldn't install because they needed some old kubuntu lib or older kde version..... and this was a fresh install of 14.04
[20:25] <bprompt> jonathanverner:     some apps not working I find that quite expectable, if not the "norm" rather than the exception
[20:27] <jonathanverner> bprompt, hmm... like kde not even starting up? a buch of processes I didn't even know are running, crashing on me? Apport crashing when trying to report a crash?
[20:27] <bprompt> yeap
[21:24] <side-kick> plz come join /server RavFree.EuropeIRC.eu #EuropeIRC
[21:45] <dbrom> hello all
[21:59] <dbrom> I have a hard drive with music that has been downloaded over the last few years. I would like to go though the drive and remove any emphty
[22:41] <Perzeus> so wieder da
[23:22] <valorie> dbrom: you never finished your thought?
[23:23] <dbrom> id like to get the command to find empty folders and remove them
[23:25] <valorie> I think I'd just look at the drive in dolphin, arrange by file numbers, and select the empties and delete
[23:26] <valorie> dolphin is slow at a lot of things, but deleting empty folders isn't one of them
[23:27] <crudson> dbrom: find . -type d -depth -empty -delete
[23:32] <crudson> dbrom: -delete implies -depth, but good to run a destructive command like this first without the "-delete" to be double-sure it's doing what you expect before you pull the trigger
[23:37] <VladimirVilimait> Hello guys, I have a small question.
[23:37] <VladimirVilimait> Why isn't Kubuntu 14.04 shipped with Adept Manager? Has it been deprecated? What is an alternative, in that case?
[23:39] <VladimirVilimait> So, nobody is here, eh?
[23:40] <dbrom> tried that but it didnt work
[23:42] <crudson> dbrom: who are you responding to?
[23:43] <dbrom> you
[23:45] <crudson> dbrom: are you sure the directories are empty? "ls -la" a directory that you think is empty to check, or "Show Hidden Files" in dolphin.
[23:45] <dbrom> ill check
[23:57] <dbrom> 2 question   can I remane a audio file from mp3 to avi and it still work or do i use formatjunkie
[23:59] <valorie> dbrom: renaming doesn't change the type of file
[23:59] <paradoxajd> http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=162020
[23:59] <paradoxajd> i've installed this theme but didn't got buttons like this :(
[23:59] <paradoxajd> and icons
[23:59] <paradoxajd> can any1 help me please
[23:59] <dbrom> ok...stupid question, but thuoght id ask


[00:06] <billybigrigger> can someone take a look at this error?
[00:06] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1492112
[00:30] <Sarvatt> its a problem with kernel-package with nvidia-common thats been around for a looong time billybigrigger
[00:33] <Sarvatt> were there changes to usb in 2.6.31 that need updated userland support or something? been having alot of problems with usb devices after 2.6.30
[00:34] <billybigrigger> my camera, ipod, and videocamera all work good
[00:34] <billybigrigger> its just the webcam
[00:34] <billybigrigger> but that could probably because they're all recognized as mass storage
[00:34] <Sarvatt> i see usbfs moved over to CONFIG_EMBEDDED, dont know if we use that before
[00:36] <Sarvatt> my webcam and android phone stopped working
[00:39] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, no dice
[00:40] <Sarvatt> thanks for checking
[00:40] <billybigrigger> its there
[00:40] <billybigrigger> but webcam not working
[00:41] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/proc/bus/usb$ ls
[00:41] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/proc/bus/usb$
[00:41] <billybigrigger> empty, but its there
[00:43] <Sarvatt> oh so usbfs was used in .30 where it was working before?
[00:43] <Sarvatt> hmm
[00:44] <billybigrigger> funny thing, i have sound in flash on this kernel :P
[00:49] <johanbr> my Android phone works fine with 2.6.31
[00:49] <johanbr> my webcam behaves a bit funny though, but I'm not sure if that's the kernel's fault
[00:50] <Sarvatt> i get a flood of error messages in dmesg while its plugging in without enabling mass storage on the phone (like when i'm just charging it)
[00:51] <johanbr> seems to work for me
[00:55] <johanbr> the webcam is definitely screwed up, though: http://nullinfinity.org/tmp/screenshot6.png
[00:55] <johanbr> (I am actually not a smurf)
[00:55] <billybigrigger> johanbr, nvidia user?
[00:55] <johanbr> yep
[00:55] <billybigrigger> looks like the nvidia hue -1000 bug
[00:55] <billybigrigger> :)
[00:56] <johanbr> oh
[00:56] <johanbr> do you have a launchpad link?
[00:56] <billybigrigger> yup lemme dig it up
[00:56] <Sarvatt> yeah change the saturation under 0 in nvidia-settings then save, then back up to 0 and save
[00:56] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, funny thing was, i was affected by it, and my hue was at 0
[00:56] <billybigrigger> just -1000 in vlc
[00:56] <Sarvatt> they changed the xv saturation ranges in the driver and our old nvidia-settings doesnt copy with it
[00:56] <Sarvatt> yeah because it isnt really at 0
[00:56] <billybigrigger> so it might be on an app to app basis
[00:56] <johanbr> billybigrigger, you're absolutely right
[00:56] <johanbr> thanks
[00:56] <billybigrigger> ooooooh
[00:57] <Sarvatt> it thinks its at 0 but its really at 4096 from the old ranges
[00:57] <johanbr> I hadn't noticed that regular video had funny colours too
[00:57] <billybigrigger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/395476
[00:57] <ubot3> Malone bug 395476 in totem "nvidia sets HUE to -1000" [Low,Triaged]
[00:57] <Sarvatt> things that use their own saturation settings arent affected but things that use nvidia-settings ones are
[00:57] <billybigrigger> bugabundo started that one, but im pretty sure it should be against nvidia-glx-180 and not totem
[00:58] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, that makes sense
[01:27] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, will i be able to file bugs under my custom kernel?
[01:27] <billybigrigger> or will they have to be done upstream to the package maintainers
[01:34] <Sarvatt> just file the bug on the ubuntu kernel since its the same
[01:34] <billybigrigger> ok
[16:05] <thrice`> I have a question; any reason <IP_ADDRESS> hasn't shown up in the mainline PPA ?
[18:13] <billybigrigger> git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git
[18:14] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, that is where i pulled the latest kernel source
[18:14] <billybigrigger> so when i want to update it...
[18:14] <billybigrigger> git pull from the same source right?
[18:14] <thrice`> "git pull"
[18:14] <billybigrigger> 10-4
[18:14] <billybigrigger> there is life in here! :P
[18:19] <billybigrigger> thrice`, and that won't compile just the new stuff
[18:19] <billybigrigger> it will pull whatever is new, and recompile the whole shebang again right?
[18:19] <thrice`> yep
[18:19] <thrice`> compiling is not related to obtaining of the source
[18:20] <billybigrigger> no, thats separate
[18:22] <billybigrigger> fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
[18:23] <thrice`> are you inside the dir?
[18:23] <billybigrigger> no, was one above it
[18:24] <billybigrigger> ok now i get an error that i didn't tell git what branch i wanted to merge with
[18:24] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1492879
[18:25] <thrice`> just do "git pull"  on its own
[18:25] <billybigrigger> oh
[18:41] <thrice`> ooh, <IP_ADDRESS> seems to break jfs booting from grub1 :(
[18:42] <thrice`> that's probably why it's not in the PPA :>
[18:44] <sn9> thrice`: wrong
[18:44] <sn9> that has been broken since at least hardy
[18:45] <sn9> and probably gutsy
[18:50] <thrice`> huh?
[18:50] <thrice`> 2.6.29 boots my jfs just fine, as does 2.6.30
[18:51] <sn9> it is not a kernel issue
[18:51] <sn9> grub1 is bitrotted
[18:51] <thrice`> of course :)
[18:51] <sn9> if grub cannot read the fs, the kernel is never loaded, regardless of version
[18:52] <thrice`> i'm trying to say that <IP_ADDRESS> introduced a specific failure
[18:52] <sn9> it did not; that failure has been there for some time
[18:52] <reto`> hey... I wanted to ask what I can do about the following problem:
[18:52] <thrice`> you know which I'm talking about sn9 ?
[18:52] <sn9> it is why i have an ext3 /boot on this laptop
[18:53] <reto`> with the new kernel it seems to
[18:53] <reto`>         support cpufreq for the via cpu... but in a strange
[18:53] <reto`>         way... before it was always at max speed... now it
[18:53] <reto`>         looks like it changes speed but I think it's not... I
[18:53] <reto`>         can't even get it to run at full speed
[18:53] <reto`>         anymore... compared the performace with the two
[18:53] <reto`>         kernel versions
[18:53] <reto`> oops... sry for the line breaks
[18:54] <thrice`> sn9: I am specifically referring to:  http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/15416
[18:54] <sn9> reto`: is the same governor used?
[18:55] <thrice`> git commit 206f0f05bdc291a9358ba59248e2bc44e8b3127d
[18:55] <reto`> sn9: uh... the old kernel doesn't support cpufreq
[18:55] <sn9> reto`: which via? c7?
[18:55] <reto`> sn9: I can try any governor or freq setting with the new kernel
[18:56] <reto`> sn9: it doesn't change anything
[18:56] <reto`> sn9: c7-m
[18:57] <sn9> thrice`: the bug report is wrong; jfs has been unreadable by grub for quite some time
[18:57] <thrice`> what are you talking about???
[18:57] <thrice`> I boot jfs from <IP_ADDRESS> right now
[18:59] <sn9> thrice`: how big is the fs?
[18:59] <reto`> sn9: should I report this somewhere or how is the situation with the VIA?
[18:59] <thrice`> size does not matter
[19:04] <sn9> reto`: are you using the longhaul driver, or e_powersaver?
[19:04] <sn9> thrice`: then why has jfs booting consistently failed for me on every machine after feisty?
[19:05] <thrice`> I don't know.  I promise that it works with 2.6.29.x , and even 2.6.30 :)
[19:05] <thrice`> the bug I mentioned was a specific change to <IP_ADDRESS> regarding the creation of an initrd
[19:05] <reto`> sn9: hmm... I think the longhaul... it's displaying some message about that one though on boot
[19:06] <sn9> the grub people told me this bug has been there since 2004
[19:06] <sn9> reto`: check through the /sys tree
[19:06] <thrice`> ok, i'm not really interrested in arguing :(  My system booted just fine this morning with jfs on /
[19:09] <sn9> thrice`: the real solution would be for ubuntu to take the bold step of dumping grub1 as a default
[19:09] <thrice`> or lilo :>
[19:09] <reto`> sn9: it's using the longhaul... but I think it's displaying an error message on boot about that... just didn't know what it is...
[19:10] <sn9> reto`: HTH
[19:10] <sn9> thrice`: lilo would actually work
[19:11] <reto`> sn9: ok, let me fetch that
[19:18] <reto`> sn9: the message is: APIC detected. Lonhaul ist currently broken in this configuration.
[19:19] <sn9> what about e_powersaver?
[19:21] <reto`> sn9: I would have to try... how can I disable the longhaul?
[19:23] <sn9> is it a module?
[19:25] <reto`> sn9: how can I find out?
[19:25] <sn9> sudo rmmod longhaul
[19:26] <sn9> if there's no error, try loading e_powersaver
[19:26] <reto`> module isn't found
[19:26] <reto`> it's in the kernel then?
[19:26] <sn9> must be
[19:27] <reto`> I can load e_powersaver with the old kernel though
[19:27] <sn9> unless it just didn't load
[19:27] <sn9> modinfo longhaul e_powersaver
[19:28] <reto`> it din't find the longhaul but e_
[19:29] <sn9> does it load?
[19:29] <reto`> no I get an error
[19:30] <reto`> longhaul seems to be loaded somehow but not working correctly
[19:30] <reto`> wonder why it is loaded when it knows "it is broken"
[19:31] <sn9> bug?
[19:32] <reto`> looks like longhaul went into the kernel with .31
[19:33] <sn9> karmic fail
[19:33] <reto`> can I disable it somehow?
[19:33] <sn9> not without another kernel build
[19:33] <sn9> OTOH, there is "noapic"...
[19:34] <reto`> yeah... hmm... might try that one
[19:43] <reto`> hmm... no use... it still loads longhaul
[19:43] <reto`> ah well... at least the machine is not hollering at full speed
[19:49] <infinity> reto`: echo "blacklist longhaul" > /etc/modprobe.d/die_longhaul_die && update-initramfs -u && reboot
[19:49] <infinity> reto`: That should stop it from being loaded.
[19:50] <sn9> infinity: no; it's compiled in, not a module, rendering that useless
[19:51] <infinity> sn9: Oh.  Didn't notice that.  Seriously, though
[19:51] <infinity> ?
[19:51] <infinity> We shoudln't be compiling any of that in. :/
[19:51] <sn9> as i said:
[19:51] <sn9> [Sun 12 Jul 2009 11:33:01 AM PDT] <sn9> karmic fail
[21:01] <reto`> ok... I've checked it out... with e_powersaver the scaling is working... I'm not 100% sure but I think longhaul has been in the kernel even before .31 (.28) but with 31.2 there seems to be a bug where longhaul is loaded even when it is detected to be broken
[21:31] <reto`> I'm writing a bug report on launchpad for this problem. Any suggestions?
[21:33] <sn9> just that it should not be a module
[21:33] <sn9> i mean
[21:33] <sn9> just that it should not be not a module
[21:34] <reto`> :) ... ok
[21:54] <billybigrigger_> Sarvatt, ping
[21:54] <billybigrigger_> what other optimizations can i make when compiling kernel?
[21:54] <billybigrigger_> besides not compiling for intel
[21:58] <billybigrigger_> i seen there was some more v4l2 stuff changed today
[21:59] <billybigrigger_> thought i'd give it another go
[22:30] <billybigrigger_> anyone built today's kernel?
[22:30] <billybigrigger_> i get this error
[22:30] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.ca/1493055
[22:30] <billybigrigger_> when trying to compile from git
[22:45] <billybigrigger_> ill just remove wireless modules from menuconfig then :P
[22:45] <billybigrigger_> thanks guys :P
[22:45] <billybigrigger_> no need on a desktop anywho
[22:46] <billybigrigger_> where can i find my make log from my last compile? do i have to specify one for it to be outputted?
[22:46] <hyperair> make-kpkg blah > log?
[22:48] <billybigrigger_> CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd -append-to-version=-billybigrigger kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source > make.log
[22:48] <billybigrigger_> does that look right?
[22:53] <Sarvatt_> you probably want to call it billybigrigger2 because you already have a billybigrigger and use >whatever.log 2>&1
[22:53] <Sarvatt_> do it in screen and control+a d the tail -f whatever.log to watch it :)
[22:54] <billybigrigger_> tailing it now
[22:54] <billybigrigger_> and have it named billy-07.12
[22:55] <billybigrigger_> :P
[22:55] <billybigrigger_> thanks though
[22:55]  * billybigrigger_ crosses fingers :P some more v4l2 stuff updated today
[22:58] <billybigrigger_> Sarvatt, you till convinced its udev and usb problems though?
[23:18] <billybigrigger_> drivers/net/wireless/wl3501_cs.c:384: note: ‘tmp’ was declared here
[23:19] <billybigrigger_> make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2
[23:19] <billybigrigger_> :( still wireless driver errors, i didn't include any wirelss modules though


[08:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:52] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning lordievader
[09:52] <sick_rimmit> It's Sunny and birght here today :-)
[09:53] <sick_rimmit> Going out this morning with the family, den building and firelighting Woo Hoo
[09:53] <lordievader> Hey sick_rimmit, how are you doing?
[09:53] <lordievader> firelighting Whoo Hoo?
[09:53] <sick_rimmit> Yes good, what you upto today ?
[09:53] <sick_rimmit> Trying the "Flint n Steel" mthod today, fingers crossed
[09:53] <lordievader> Not sure yet... We'll see ;)
[09:54] <sick_rimmit> I just ordered another Ubuntu phone today too, this one is for development ;-)
[09:54] <sick_rimmit> Least ways that's what I told my wife ;-)
[09:55] <sick_rimmit> Later when I come back, I going to test out Latest builds for sgclark
[09:57] <lordievader> Are those Ubuntu phones usable?
[09:58] <sick_rimmit> Oh yes, I got one for my wife Alison, as an upgrade from her iPhone4
[09:58] <sick_rimmit> She really likes it.
[09:58] <sick_rimmit> I gave her no instructions At all
[09:58] <sick_rimmit> In fact I wasn't even at home when she set it up
[09:58] <sick_rimmit> She says, it's really cool
[09:59] <sick_rimmit> For me I love the fact I can open a terminal on it :-)
[09:59] <sick_rimmit> We've been so impressed with it, we bought 2 more, one each for our daughters
[09:59] <lordievader> Hehe, nice :)
[09:59] <sick_rimmit> Oh and for what you get they are incredibly cheap !!
[10:04] <sick_rimmit> Going now.. see you later
[10:38] <mparillo> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-531
[10:40] <lordievader> sgclark: cheers on pushing 5.3.1 to backports :)
[10:49] <mparillo> +1 (noted in the new post, along with thanks for the testers standing by).
[10:50] <mparillo> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348436 bit my daughter immediately, as I use a shell script in the desktop folder view to launch the minecraft jar for her.
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:16] <soee_> mparillo: applications aren't released yet right ?
[11:18] <mparillo> I thought I saw sgclark call for testers, I did not see that she released them. Is there an easy way for me to check?
[11:23] <lordievader> mparillo: Your link mentions backports she said she needed a few testers before pushing to the backports. Backports != staging ;)
[11:31] <soee_> mparillo: applications were tested by me and one more person i think
[11:31] <soee_> Scarlett wanted one more to confim that everything is fine
[11:32] <soee_> so if someone can please test it and send test result to her :)
[11:36] <BluesKaj> soee_, the only problem I encounterd with the ppa sgclark asked us to test was the shutdown problem showed up agai, otherwise all was fine.
[11:38] <soee_> BluesKaj: this might nt be related to applications: shutdown and reboot works fine for me on my laptop here but @ work when im working on PC, they don't work since 1-2 months or longer
[11:39] <BluesKaj> soee_, my shutdown problem was solved until yesterday
[11:39] <BluesKaj> last night actually
[11:40] <BluesKaj> brb, gonna check 15.04 again just to confirm everything else is ok
[11:40] <soee_> ok
[11:42] <mparillo> Plasma 5.3.1 is in backports, but I do not know 15.04.1 applications is yet
[12:01] <BluesKaj> ok back , the only starnge thing I found was my soundcards aren't listed (listed as default) in system settings>multimedia>phonon music>device preference , although the hardware tab lists them properly and the playback codecs like DTS and DD are decoded properly as indicated on my audio receiver, System settings did crash once but relaunched ok without any more problems
[12:03] <BluesKaj> sgclark, ^
[12:08] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[12:08] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[12:23] <soee_> BluesKaj: yes i had also some System Settings crash
[12:24] <BluesKaj> yeah , but it wasn't serious and I saw nothing in the logs, soee_
[12:24] <BluesKaj> did you ?
[13:02] <soee_> BluesKaj: i didnt look into logs as this happens from time to time and its hard to track it
[13:02] <soee_> im not sur if it is when entering some section or after exiting one
[13:04] <BluesKaj> soee_, it crashed when exiting display and monitor...I think
[13:04] <soee_> BluesKaj: i think the same for me
[13:05] <sgclark> morning
[13:05] <soee_> BluesKaj: just tried it and yes after Display & Monior -> return to main window it crashed
[13:06] <sgclark> hmm this might be upstream
[13:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning sgclark
[13:06] <soee_> but i had this before to, so i doubt its related to 53.1
[13:06] <soee_> *5.3.1
[13:06] <sgclark> I have family coming to town today and will not have alot of time to debug :(
[13:07] <soee_> sgclark: enjoy family life :)
[13:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, we have to setup for a gig this aft , so I'll be gone unless it rains
[13:09] <sgclark> how have applications been?
[13:09]  * ahoneybun needs to get time to test for sgclark
[13:09] <sgclark> ok
[13:09] <sgclark> unfortunately I don't want to release and run lol
[13:10] <ahoneybun> don't run at all lol
[13:10] <soee_> sgclark: i think it is already testes by 3 users
[13:10] <BluesKaj> sgclark, did you see my post above about phonon?
[13:10] <soee_> *tested
[13:11] <sgclark> no I mean to tend to family
[13:11] <sgclark> BluesKaj: yeah, that will require more attention. Can you file a bug?
[13:12] <soee_> one thing i noticed was that my Places in Dolphin weren't in teh same order after upgrade but thats not an issue for me and probably happend due to this Places bugfix
[13:13] <BluesKaj> sgclark, I'll check again later (on 15.10 atm) , if there's a problem I'll file one
[13:13] <sgclark> thanks!
[13:15] <soee> is there some KDE app to optimize images ?
[13:15] <soee> like select ~ 100 image files and optimize them
[13:21] <sgclark> don't work with alot of images :( seems like there should be something though
[13:21] <soee> BluesKaj: bshah helped a bit to debug System Settings crash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11452714/
[13:30] <soee> BluesKaj: SystemSettings crash bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343543
[13:38] <sgclark> releasing 15.04.1 applications to backports
[13:42] <sgclark> or not
[14:08] <soee> :D
[14:09] <sgclark> well I am getting internal error messages from launchpad :( I noticed backports is nearly full..
[14:09] <sgclark> no idea who to bug
[14:17]  * sick_rimmit pulling kubunu next-stage2 into VBox Kubuntu for testing ;-)
[14:20] <sgclark> ok bug files, my backports efforts is at a standstill until this is resolved.
[14:20] <sgclark> s/files/filed/
[14:20] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "ok bug filed, my backports efforts is at a standstill until this is resolved."
[14:21] <sick_rimmit> Wow! - That's alot of packages being upgraded
[14:21] <sgclark> yes
[14:21] <sick_rimmit> You've been very busy sgclark
[14:21] <sgclark> lol
[14:22] <sgclark> yeah
[14:22] <sgclark> will slow this week though, family arriving here in a few hours
[14:22] <sick_rimmit> Oh that's nice, family time
[14:23] <sgclark> yes much needed break to relax
[14:23] <sgclark> step away from the computer ;p
[14:24] <sick_rimmit> sgclark: Where do you find out what to package next ?
[14:24] <sick_rimmit> sgclark: How do you ensure that your not duplicating work with someone else ?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> had a t-storm, had to shutdown all devices, lightning was close
[14:37] <mparillo> It looks to me as if  15.04.1 applications have hit the Vivid backports, but Muon throws up a warning about authentication?
[14:37] <mparillo> Bad habit, I simply clicked proceed without getting the exact message.
[14:45] <sick_rimmit> Pah! I'm getting agitated...
[14:45] <sick_rimmit> Bloody UbuntuSDK is a pile a tosh
[14:46] <sick_rimmit> The UbuntuSDK Config parser, has mashed the config files, so it wont run out of the box..
[14:46] <sick_rimmit> I managed to hand edit those to fix them
[14:46] <sick_rimmit> None of the QT Examples will run... throwing permission errors all over the place
[14:47] <sick_rimmit> There is a deathly silence in #ubuntu-app-devel
[14:47] <BluesKaj> lost the internet again ...bad storms
[14:47] <sick_rimmit> And I have know idea where the Bug Tracker is for the UbuntuSDK..
[14:47] <sick_rimmit> No flaming wonder there's no Apps
[14:47] <sick_rimmit> Sheezz
[14:51] <sick_rimmit> I suppose, I'll have to roll my sleeves up and fix it
[14:52] <mparillo> There is a Ubuntu SDK team on Launchpad. Maybe e-mail them?
[14:54] <sick_rimmit> Ah, yes I just searching for them on LP
[14:54] <sick_rimmit> I'm just frustrated, as I wanted to play with some App Dev, but it's all broken.
[14:55] <mparillo> I was just thinking as it is a weekend, they might be more likely to check e-mail on a smartphone than have IRC up
[14:56] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes that's a good point..
[14:56] <sick_rimmit> But why are they not standing by waiting patiently to assist my every whim...
[14:56] <sick_rimmit> Unacceptable
[14:56] <sick_rimmit> lol :-O
[14:59] <mparillo> I have seen that behavior on the #kubuntu channel. BluesKaj in particular is very patient with demands for immediate attention (maybe that observation is off-topic)
[14:59] <sgclark> sick_rimmit: well we usually commuunicate to each who is working one what. there is also fallback git to reject conficts
[15:00] <sgclark> mparillo: authentication error? does it not update? can you create a bug with the exact error? I have to head out to airport ot pick up family :(
[15:01] <sick_rimmit> sgclark: I am off and on with packaging, because I am so busy, and last time I did some I ended up duplicating work of someone else :-(
[15:02] <sick_rimmit> I was trying to repackage latest avconv stuff to get audio problem in kdenlive fixed
[15:02] <sick_rimmit> anyway... it became clear that I was outside the process loop, so I kinda wasted my time, and that of others.. sadly
[15:04] <sgclark> sick_rimmit: ack :( yeah when I first started that happened to me a few times. We need to probably integrate trello for packaging processes
[15:07] <sick_rimmit> sgclark: Yes an action list, like trello where you can assign something would help
[15:07] <sgclark> yeah
[15:07] <sgclark> sick_rimmit: do you have trello access?
[15:07] <sick_rimmit> I did think about just getting say you, or jonathan to just task me with stuff, but then sometimes my family steel all my time
[15:08] <sick_rimmit> Yes I do have Trello, and I have some of the Kubuntu boards..
[15:08] <sgclark> yeah those darn pesky families :)
[15:08] <sick_rimmit> Pesky yes, but I do love em, I'll drop anything and everything at their request :-)
[15:09] <sgclark> sick_rimmit: if you have access to 15.04 board can you create a task for this? It is a good idea.
[15:09]  * sick_rimmit reaches for his Galaxy tab and Trello
[15:09] <sgclark> lol yeah so do I :)
[15:10] <sick_rimmit> I seem to have 14.10 15.10 15.10 Docs and Kubuntu Promotion
[15:10] <sick_rimmit> But I am not on the 15.04 board
[15:10] <sgclark> hmm
[15:11] <sgclark> I am still on the fence with working on Wily. I am taking this week to reflect. I will make it a local task for now until I can add you.
[15:11] <sick_rimmit> I'm a newbie with Trello really..
[15:12] <sgclark> I have to go to the ariport now. May or may not be able to sneak back on.
[15:12] <sick_rimmit> Could you add me to the 15.04 board ? I'm looking to see if I can figure out how to add myself
[15:12] <sgclark> sec let me see if I am admin
[15:13] <sgclark> it should have added you
[15:13] <sgclark> sick_rimmit:  ^
[15:13] <BluesKaj> sgclark, so far Wily has fewer problems than Vivid , at least on the surface
[15:14] <sgclark> BluesKaj: good to know ty
[15:14] <sick_rimmit> Yay! Perfect
[15:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: does the ubuntu-backports team accept backports of python
[15:28] <shadeslayer> ( I know you're not involved anymore, but curious since you deal with python stuff )
[15:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: the KDE sysadmin team wanted a python backport
[15:35] <mparillo> sgclark: I think it did update on muon, after I clicked proceed. I will try to do so on my other box using apt. I think it failed on apt. Enjoy your family and I will ping with the launchpad bug.
[15:36] <sgclark> mparillo: thanks!
[15:56] <mparillo> Of course, there were no errors on the other machine (real HW). Ready to announce  15.04.1 applications?
[16:01] <clivejo> anyone else experience this - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348434
[16:01] <sick_rimmit> I've nearly finished the next-stage2 build in VBox, which is looking good so far
[16:11] <ricktimmis> Do you know, I like the dark breeze theme, but it does have a few problems with forms, black on black
[16:12] <ricktimmis> sgclark: You'll be please to know the next-stage2 packages all installed and upgraded seamlessly, and the VBox install of Kubuntu 15.04 is working fine
[18:13] <soee> mparillo: ping
[18:14] <mparillo> pong
[18:14] <soee> mparillo: Scarlett posted comment that applications are push to backports https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/Xtt7p6nPzgX
[18:14] <soee> so i think you can announce it
[18:15] <mparillo> TY. Will do. I am curious, did you chat client alert you that I was active after being away from keyboard?
[18:15] <soee> nope, i just saw her comment and contacted you
[18:16] <soee> i didn't know you are on or off :)
[18:17] <mparillo> It was just strange that you pinged me the moment I sat down the computer.
[18:18] <soee> random luck :)
[18:19] <soee> i came home like 10 minuts ago
[18:20] <mparillo> Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, thrice is enemy action ;-)
[18:20] <mparillo> I will announce in news and G+ (news will feed Planet KDE and Planet Ubuntu)
[18:22] <soee> cool :)
[18:31] <ahoneybun> anyone around to help me with this card: https://trello.com/c/19vTqg3v/13-port-muon-discover-featured-apps-to-kf5
[18:31] <kubotu> [15.10 :: Doing :: Port Muon Discover featured apps to kf5 ++ JR, AH]
[19:18] <Gamayun> clivejo: was the database working in vanilla 15.04?
[19:41] <valorie> yay, backports!
[19:41] <valorie> thank you, sgclark
[20:27] <Etriaph> G'day folks.
[20:30]  * Etriaph hugs his 5.3.1
[20:32] <mparillo> Tweeted also.
[20:32] <valorie> mparillo: what's your handle?
[20:33] <valorie> oh, you mean from @kubuntu
[20:34] <valorie> retweeted
[20:38] <mparillo> I have no handle. All my social networking is thanks to Riddell's gentle encouragement. And having something worth tweeting (and G+'ing) is thanks to sgclark and the testers who hang around here. As somebody might say {{{hugs}}}
[20:47] <valorie> heh, that's my calling card
[20:47]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} mparillo
[20:47] <valorie> thanks for tweeting
[20:48] <Etriaph> I retweeted earlier too.
[20:48] <Etriaph> Gotta spread the word!
[20:52] <valorie> yup, that's how it works