[00:00] <ki7mt> I know for a fact it's up to date, as I helped write parts of it.
[00:00] <h4nk> !request http://members.rk.com/ (CCBill)
[00:01] <eurythmia> daftykins: ah-hah. buttons 1 2 3 are laid out in the order on the classic 3-button mouse. (1- left click, 2- middle click, 3 - right click), so I needed to reverse 1 and 3 to do what I was trying to do. Thanks for prodding me into experimentation :-)
[00:01] <daftykins> eurythmia: :D no problem! apologies for saying so without certainty though.
[00:02] <eurythmia> daftykins: it wasn't spoonfeeding, and it wasn't "rtfm", I am grateful for the response.
[00:02] <daftykins> :)
[00:07] <daftykins> ki7mt: how come it doesn't mention that out of the box /var/www/html/ is alive and working?
[00:08] <ki7mt> daftykins, sri, dont understand what your asking?
[00:08] <daftykins> ki7mt: the ubuntu guide page, it delves straight into specifying sites but doesn't mention the default is working out of the box?
[00:09] <ki7mt> if you point a browser at http://ip-addy/ it shoudl present a default page that says It's Alive :-)
[00:10] <daftykins> ki7mt: right, but the guide doesn't seem to state that that's already available and being served, the new user visiting that doc might think they need to create a new site first
[00:10] <ki7mt> For instance, my UBuntu mirror, I didn't enable any sites, simply built the server, and liked a folder /var/www/ubuntu .. if I point to http://ip-addy/ I get the alive message
[00:10] <ki7mt> s/linked/liked/
[00:11] <daftykins> yep because it's serving from /var/www/html as default in 14.04 server
[00:11] <ki7mt> daftykins, Ahh, ok I see what your saying, I can pass that along to the main writers.
[00:11] <daftykins> :)
[00:12] <Flam> I just did an update on my server and php5-fpm is returning many errors.  For example, I ran "sudo apt-get remove --purge php5-fpm" then "sudo apt-get install php5-fpm" and it is outputting the following line: "update-rc.d: warning: php5-fpm stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none)"
[00:12] <Flam> Is anyone else experiencing this  / knows how I can fix it?
[00:13] <ki7mt> daftykins, Actually, that's exactly the ype of QA those docs needs, as the writers are so entrenched in the contest, it's easy to forget the target audience.
[00:13] <ki7mt> .. content ..
[00:13] <daftykins> ki7mt: hehe, friends have told me i should do technical writing, before
[00:13] <ki7mt> They need help, lots of it for sure.
[00:14] <ki7mt> Especially on the three main docs, Server, Desktop and the Yelp-Help apps.
[00:14] <daftykins> ki7mt: does it actually break at that point?
[00:15] <ki7mt> daftykins, does what break ?
[00:15] <daftykins> ki7mt: ugh sorry, my brain is fail tonight, i highlighted you instead of Flam
[00:15] <ki7mt> :-)
[00:15] <daftykins> Flam: ^ :D
[00:16] <Flam> daftykins: I think so: http://puu.sh/9INPq/b541308d91.png
[00:16] <Flam> the last line in the image is the last line I get
[00:16] <daftykins> Flam: oh, well it looks like it returned to the prompt so it hasn't really failed
[00:17] <Flam> but my wordpress blog is erroring out
[00:17] <daftykins> Flam: in what way?
[00:17] <ki7mt> may be a bug in the init script run level settings
[00:17] <ki7mt> That's twice today that we've seen the same error mentioned.
[00:18] <daftykins> ki7mt: oh? this runlevel one?
[00:19] <ki7mt> yeah, saw it with the guy trying to install openerp also
[00:20] <ki7mt> different packages, same result message
[00:21] <ki7mt> I guess it's a warning, not so much an error, but still.
[00:22] <daftykins> it almost seems like a package for a distro that does use runlevels is being installed on one that doesn't
[00:22] <daftykins> but i'm not very experienced with all that side of things
[00:22] <Flam> nginx error logs displaying  http://puu.sh/9IOfD/c6fb9abea6.png
[00:23] <Flam> never encountered this issue in 1yr of uptime lol
[00:23] <Flam> I also don't see why there would be a permission issue
[00:23] <daftykins> hmm i've not used nginx
[00:23] <ki7mt> Flam, yup, someitng definately not right with fpm. was it working before the upgrade?
[00:23] <Flam> ki7mt: yes
[00:24] <ki7mt> Flam, I'd regress until that's resolved, whatever it is causing it.
[00:24] <Flam> I don't know how to do that :/ And I've already made many changes
[00:25] <daftykins> but you've got your backup, right? :)
[00:25] <ki7mt> Flam, well, lesson one, test things in a dev env first, before adding to a produciton server ;-)
[00:25] <Flam> I wish I had that luxury lol
[00:27] <daftykins> thanks to virtualisation, we all do </TV advert>
[00:27] <ki7mt> Flam, in my old life, that was dev, staging then release :-) .. non of that helps you at the moment I know.
[00:27] <Flam> i never expected something as old and stable as php5-fpm to shit itself like this though
[00:28] <daftykins> easy on the language please my good man O_.
[00:28] <Flam> Sorry
[00:28] <ki7mt> Flam, Honestly thoug, only think I can suggest is looking at your dpkg.logs and remove the updates, but your still gonna be left dead in the water until you install the all the older packages.
[00:30] <ki7mt> Flam, I dont know the answer here, but if it's happening to you, others probably too, a bit of googling may yield a result or two.
[00:30] <Flam> I think I'm on the right track to solving it
[00:31] <Flam> Will write what I do here when I figure it out
[00:31] <ki7mt> I use / write a bit of php, but not web-based apps, UI based.
[00:31] <daftykins> Flam: i did a clean wordpress install the other day on 14.04 and didn't have to touch php5-fpm
[00:31] <daftykins> albeit with apache2
[00:32] <Flam> yeah when you use nginx you need php5-fpm
[00:32] <kdeder> hey, can anyone recommend a wifi card for a desktop?  I guess it should be Intel-based?  pci-e, right?
[00:32] <zh1> pci?
[00:32] <daftykins> Flam: you could purge reinstall it?
[00:32] <Flam> I did
[00:32] <Flam> 'Didn't help\
[00:33] <daftykins> oh, you said you removed and installed, didn't see mention of purge
[00:33] <daftykins> kdeder: does speed matter?
[00:33] <kdeder> daftykins:  dunno... well, I want more than 'g' ;)
[00:34] <daftykins> i bought a very cheap 'n' the other day, which worked out of the box with ubuntu 14.04
[00:34] <kdeder> at least, N?  I have an old router but I hope to replace either when it dies or when I need more speed
[00:34] <zh1> kdeder, just one tip before buying card check for its compatibility and specs
[00:34] <kdeder> daftykins:  which one?  I should find an intel chipset, right?
[00:35] <ocoxo> hello MonkeyDust!
[00:35] <kdeder> zh1:  right... I have the intel linux support list in front of me
[00:35] <daftykins> kdeder: you won't get intel wireless in a desktop PCI-Express card
[00:35] <daftykins> kdeder: i got this super simple cheap thing to keep the parents happy - TP-Link TL-WN781ND
[00:35] <kdeder> daftykins:  I think I can... there's a bunch on ebay, for e.g.
[00:36] <kdeder> daftykins:  isn't that usb?
[00:36] <daftykins> kdeder: nope low profile PCI-E 1x
[00:36] <daftykins> it's pretty basic but is a well supported Atheros chipset
[00:36] <kdeder> daftykins: okay...
[00:36] <daftykins> but yeah, pretty basic on the speed front
[00:36] <daftykins> you won't be breaking any records
[00:37] <kdeder> daftykins:  ah :)
[00:37] <kdeder> well, do you get full bars?
[00:37] <Flam> Ok I solved it.  First I purged then reinstalled.  Then I updated the config file to use my socket like so: "listen = /var/run/php5-fpm.sock", then I uncommented the following lines: listen.owner, listen.group, listen.mode, then I reinstalled php5-mysql, then restarted php5-fpm and nginx.
[00:37] <Flam> I also made listen.mode 0666 instead of 0660
[00:37] <ki7mt> Dont need too, most nic cards are faster than the saverage service speed anyway
[00:37] <ki7mt> .. average ..
[00:37] <kdeder> hmmm
[00:37] <zh1> kdeder, give more details on max price and type card need
[00:37] <kdeder> so, I don't need intel?  I thought it was just a safer bet
[00:38] <kdeder> zh1:  I can go pci, pci-e... or usb, obviously
[00:38] <kdeder> pci-e - I thought it will be stronger signal and speed?
[00:38] <daftykins> kdeder: not a good comparison really, my parents system has line-of-sight
[00:39] <daftykins> a PCI-E card could have better antennas that you could position further away from the metallic computer case, yeah
[00:39] <kdeder> max price - cheaper is better... my desktop is old and I want to buy a mini-itx machine eventually or laptop :)
[00:39] <daftykins> and avoiding USB + networking is always a good thing
[00:39] <ki7mt> Indeed
[00:39] <kdeder> daftykins:  yes, that's what I was thinking ;)
[00:40] <zh1> kdeder, is it for desktop or lap?
[00:40] <kdeder> intel has some pci-e cards... including a desktop 7260 ac version but it's really expensive
[00:40] <ki7mt> kdeder, here's a good place to look: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[00:40] <kdeder> zh1:  desktop
[00:41] <ki7mt> 3Com, belkin, Dlink, all have 3 or more devices supported
[00:41] <ki7mt> or device types I should say
[00:41] <kdeder> there's no listing for pci-e though?
[00:42] <ki7mt> That's a waste of a slot, there's no need for it, thus not many around.
[00:42] <ki7mt> Standard PCI is more than enough for a Nic card.
[00:43] <kdeder> the listing is outdated, I think :)
[00:43] <zh1> kdeder, what motherboard u have
[00:43] <kdeder> zh1:  asus p5q
[00:44] <ki7mt> It may be a bit dated, last update was AUG-2013
[00:44] <daftykins> kdeder: odd, i'd expect intel to only do the mini-PCI-E wireless cards for laptops
[00:44] <kastan> does anyone know how to get netflix to work I keep getting the i need to install silverlight wich i have installed and unistalled several times  i also have tried using the firefox override and nada
[00:44] <holstein> !netflix
[00:45] <holstein> kastan: they dont officially support linux
[00:45] <kdeder> here's the intel list:   http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/CS-034398.htm
[00:45] <kastan> ubottu: i tried all of that and kept getting the same error
[00:46] <holstein> kastan: thats from me, friend. thats what we have.. if its not working, you could be doing it incorrectly, but, they (netflix) dont support linux, so you can expect breakage
[00:46] <ki7mt> Use Piplight .. it works: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/pipelight-use-silverlight-in-your-linux.html
[00:47] <kdeder> is there any way of knowing what order that hardware is?  I mean, 7260 is more recent?
[00:48] <daftykins> kdeder: intel's website has detailed info on all their devices
[00:48] <daftykins> time doesn't directly relate to support though
[00:48] <kastan> ill try it again should i remove and reinstall it all again
[00:48] <kdeder> I thought more recent cards might be better?
[00:49] <Jordan_U> kastan: How exactly did you install and uninstall silverlight many times?
[00:49] <ki7mt> kdeder, I think you'll find, that on Linux, newest, is not usualy the bestest :-) a year or two old of often better for kenerl support, especially with Nic Drivers
[00:49] <holstein> kastan: they dont support if, friend.. so, you can literally try whatever you think is going to work. i know, i would just purge all and start over..
[00:52] <Jordan_U> kastan: How exactly did you install and uninstall silverlight many times? Possible solutions for using Silverlight in Ubuntu include Netflix-Desktop: https://launchpad.net/netflix-desktop and PipeLight: https://launchpad.net/pipelight .
[00:53] <kastan> Jordan_U i did sudo apt-get remove --purge pipelight
[00:54] <Foxhoundz> Does tasksel install the latest LAMP binaries?
[00:54] <ki7mt> Yes, whatever is in the repo it installs, may not be bleeding edge, but not too far from it.
[00:55] <kastan> now it says i need to upgrade silverlight
[00:56] <Jordan_U> kastan: How did you initially install pipelight?
[00:56] <holstein> kastan: it may "say" lots of things.. try and use netflix, and if it works, and you can get around messages, do so..
[00:56] <ki7mt> Foxhoundz, use apt-cache search and apt-cache show for the packages, you'll see the version it would install.
[00:56] <kastan> it wont let me get around this one
[00:56] <kastan> udo apt-get install --install-recommends pipelight-multi
[00:57] <kastan> sudo apt-get install --install-recommends pipelight-multi
[00:57] <holstein> kastan: its muy understanding the netflix desktop tries to do all of this for you.. have you tried it?
[00:57] <holstein> my*
[00:58] <Foxhoundz> ki7mt: gotcha. So Tasksel is just a wrapper for apt-get right?
[00:59] <Foxhoundz> it doesn't actually download the binaries from its own source from somewhere, yes?
[00:59] <kastan> trying now but its a .exe file which wont be supported
[00:59] <ki7mt> Foxhoundz, Yes, sort of, it's like a meta-package installer for servers.
[00:59] <kastan> or will it in wine
[00:59] <kastan> hmm
[01:00] <holstein> !netflix
[01:00] <holstein> kastan: whatever is says in the support listed above for it.. its for linux specifically.. though, not from netfli
[01:00] <holstein> kastan: specifically https://bugs.launchpad.net/netflix-desktop
[01:01] <kastan> holstein: awesome thank you
[01:02] <geekintime> I am writing a packet capture application and seeing extremely long waits (>60 seconds) for pcap_findalldevs to return.  Can someone point me to a likely cause?  tcpdump is also doing this ( tcpdump -n )
[01:02] <Jordan_U> kastan: I assume you also added one of the pipelight ppas before running apt-get install pipelight-multi. Which ppa did you add, and how?
[01:03] <kastan> Jordan_U sudo apt-add-repository ppa:pipelight/stable
[01:04] <kastan> Jordan_U i used it via terminal i prefer terminal over the gui
[01:04] <ki7mt> you and me both :-)
[01:14] <ocoxo> hello everyone, if anyone ever had or has problem opening links in tabs/browsers on liferea feed reader, this solves the problem:  if you go to 'network' in system settings, and select 'network proxy', then the method must be'none'. or if it happens to be 'manual' then the server etc. shouldnt be left blank and values need to be entered. I found this in launchpad as a debugging solution and it worked; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-clien
[01:14] <ocoxo> t/+bug/942312
[01:18] <aurieisaac> .
[01:19] <aurieisaac> please, someboddy send any msg just to me test de alert from chat. thanks
[01:20] <Quoexl> aureianimus: any more message?
[01:20] <geekintime> What would cause the pcap_findalldevs function to take >60 seconds to return? Seeing this in my own application and tcpdump.
[01:20] <holstein> aurieisaac: ? use the #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[01:20] <aurieisaac> no, thats all
[01:20] <aurieisaac> thanks
[01:21] <ki7mt> that's like asking to get bombarded with marbles :-) no thanks.
[01:21] <daftykins> g'night fellow helpers
[01:28] <rajareddy> hi guys !
[01:28] <rajareddy> i'm new to xubuntu after a lot of times crashing ubuntu !
[01:29] <holstein> xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[01:31] <rajareddy> but i see it differently !
[01:34] <rajareddy> hi ! good morning
[01:35] <holstein> rajareddy: feel free and use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel for chat. lots of folks over there to wish a good morning to :)
[01:36] <adamfish> Hello?
[01:36] <rajareddy> got it !
[01:36] <holstein> adamfish: welcome.. let us know if you have a question.. otherwise, feel free and use #ubuntu-offtopic for chat.. thanks
[01:36] <adamfish> I do.
[01:36] <Sunstream> Anyone help me here with Ident how to get it to work so I can use it for IRC
[01:37] <adamfish> I am trying to download wine, but it doesn't know where to use the APT?
[01:37] <holstein> !register
[01:37] <holstein> Sunstream: ^ is that what you are talking about? identifying?
[01:37] <holstein> !wine | adamfish
[01:38] <Sunstream> so when people do whois on me will see my username without the ~
[01:38] <holstein> adamfish: its as simple as "sudo apt-get install" in a terminal..
[01:38] <holstein> !freenode | Sunstream
[01:38] <jayson_2> hi.  If I have a package that wants an older library version, and I have a newer one installed, do I just create a softlink with the expected version number
[01:38] <rajareddy> k folks !  i'm trying to  install media plugins  ! but i saw the direct install  method in saucy salmander ,  but now trusty behaving something differently ! like wise "use this source" when i selected it it's staying normal like a  struct system ! so i need some assistance
[01:39] <Sunstream> Don't I need to install a Ident program on my Ubuntu install?
[01:39] <holstein> !restricted | rajareddy
[01:39] <holstein> Sunstream: ask the freenode maintainers.. i dont think that is related
[01:40] <rajareddy> yeah , i tried that ,  restricted extras , but i faced the same problem @ holstein
[01:40] <Guest12906> Hi Guys, i've just installed the ubuntu gnome desktop 14.04.., installation finished but currently I can't install any other software.., what went wrong? it says "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."., how to fix it.., thanks
[01:40] <Quoexl> rajareddy: may I pm you?
[01:40] <Sunstream> !ident
[01:40] <holstein> rajareddy: ok.. what problem?
[01:40] <rajareddy> 12906  ; at the boot screen u can see advanced options from there try to fix the brocken packages
[01:40] <Sunstream> I really doubt they can help because the IDENT is on the client side not their side
[01:40] <holstein> rajareddy: you have not enabled the sources? you will read how to do that at the links i gave. what are you trying to do? play mp3's? dvd's?
[01:41] <Beldar> Guest12906, Try running in the terminal sudo apt-get -f install
[01:41] <holstein> Sunstream: ok.. then, run ident as they intend it to be run.. where are you getting ident? is it an ubuntu application?
[01:41] <K`zan> Hi folks, I have a handicapped friend who is paraplegic and unable to manipulate the keyboard.  Is there some way I can send a keystroke from my machine to hers, walking over every time she need a pagedown is getting old :-(.  Any help appreciated!
[01:41] <rajareddy> yeah , i want  media codecs !
[01:41] <Guest12906> rajareddy: at the boot screen?
[01:42] <holstein> rajareddy: ok. for what? what are you trying to do? mp3's? dvd's?
[01:42] <rajareddy> yeah 12906 , at the boot
[01:42] <Quoexl> is this where we dont say medibuntu?
[01:42] <Guest12906> Beldar: ok.., I am gonna try it now
[01:42] <Beldar> Guest12906, Disregard that command
[01:42] <holstein> Oranabi: correct.. we dont, since they are dead..
[01:42] <holstein> Oranabi: sorry.. Quoexl ^
[01:42] <rajareddy> now it's 24 hr i installed xubuntu , but i can't able to play any media ! so i think i do need codecs !
[01:42] <holstein> rajareddy: for what? mp3 playback? dvd's?
[01:43] <rajareddy> all media mp3, mp4 , mpeg etc
[01:43] <holstein> rajareddy: i play all media i need in xubuntu.. and im happy to help you. as is any volunteer..
[01:43] <holstein> rajareddy: the link i gave itemizes how to do so.. what trouble are you having specifically?
[01:44] <jay_> hello?
[01:44] <Sunstream> its a piece of software that responds to the a query on port 113
[01:44] <Quoexl> !hello jay_
[01:44] <holstein> rajareddy: you may want the complete ubuntu-restricted-extras package.. have you tried installing it?
[01:46] <jay_> i am so confused by linux. can someone explain some shit to me. I've tried like 8 distro's and can't get half of them to install.  I keep trying to boot from a usb stick and a bunch of installs (like puppy linux and dsl) can't find the kernals? I dunno what's happening lol
[01:46] <holstein> jay_: try and keep it family friendly.. with the language.. thanks
[01:46] <rajareddy> now i tried to install it ! it's seems to be paused at "quering software sources"
[01:46] <jay_> I can't even get my wireless to work. It makes me want to go back to windows. I've been trying linux for two days but gez it's hard/ sorry about the language
[01:46] <holstein> jay_: you may have an issue where, you had a problematic piece of hardware failing, and are experiencing issues with that
[01:47] <holstein> jay_: windows came on the machine though, preinstalled. so, it can be a challenge to expect to just install the os when you havent before.. have you installed windows before?
[01:47] <jay_> I am running from Lubuntu right now. It's a little to slow and picky for my liking though.
[01:47] <holstein> !wifi
[01:47] <jay_> I've installed windows 95, 98, xp and 7
[01:48] <lexus00z> wow. thats quite alot
[01:48] <jay_> i mean in the past lol
[01:48] <holstein> jay_: you can try that for your wireless, but, i would just try and wire up to internet.. and open either the update manager, and upgrade, or "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the terminal.. and reboot.. then, if you have no wifi, we can go from there
[01:48] <adamfish> To install wine, these items must be removed:
[01:48] <rajareddy> remember these three while installing linux <root , home, swap> that's  all !  @ jay
[01:48] <holstein> adamfish: if you have a lot of 3rd party sources added, you can run into issues..
[01:49] <adamfish> vidia opencl diver and icd loader library? How to do that?
[01:49] <jay_> i've done with update manager hostien. i have a driver installed (b43) and can connect to my wifi but the browser doesn't work
[01:49] <adamfish> Why did it get rid of alot?
[01:49] <holstein> adamfish: are you using ubuntu 14.04?
[01:49] <adamfish> Yes
[01:49] <holstein> jay_: what browser doesnt do what?
[01:49] <jay_> what does swap do rajareddy?
[01:49] <adamfish> I just got it.
[01:50] <holstein> jay_: i know it can be frustrating,but try and ask questions..
[01:50] <adamfish> No 3rd part or anything
[01:50] <holstein> jay_: swap is like the page file in windows, basically
[01:50] <jay_> firefox says i'm not connected to the internet.
[01:50] <holstein> jay_: are you?
[01:50] <jay_> i dunno what a page file is sorry
[01:50] <omi_> rajareddy: I can't find the advance setting you mention to me before., I the guest1206 and now log in to another machine
[01:50] <holstein> jay_: in windows, the page file is the basic equivalent of the swap partition in linux
[01:50] <lexus00z> jay:maybe its your wifi doesnt connected to the internet
[01:51] <holstein> jay_: pretty much, if you didnt care to find out what the page file was, then you likely dont need to know what swap is..
[01:51] <rajareddy> swap : double to your RAM size
[01:51] <jay_> yes i'm connected to the internet cause i'm using ethernet. if i were to disconnect ethernet, i could get connected to my wifi but firefox says i have no internet
[01:51] <adamfish> I have 32 gigs of ram
[01:51] <cabrito> .
[01:51] <jay_> that could be lexus
[01:51] <lexus00z> rajareddy.thats quite a good explanation
[01:51] <rajareddy> then try ping  from terminal !, sometimes slow internet problem!
[01:52] <omi_> so, double size the ram for swap? is it still necessary?
[01:52] <holstein> jay_: open a terminal and run "ping google.com"
[01:52] <jay_> do routers often not play well with the ex3 ex4 file systems?
[01:52] <adamfish> Where are ehternet drivers located? I need to get rid of my Nvidia
[01:52] <rajareddy> router don't differentiate file systems
[01:52] <holstein> jay_: no.. your router could care less about your filesystem, and is more likely running linux that anything else
[01:53] <adamfish> Well wine is telling me to get rid of my Ethernet ports
[01:53] <holstein> adamfish: not likely..
[01:53] <ki7mt> omi_, no, not unless your have some serious comutations apps running. I very rarely ever see swap being used, even with swapeness set to 60 (Ubuntu default)
[01:53] <lexus00z> adamfish: you mean nvidia drive?
[01:53] <adamfish> Yes
[01:53] <adamfish> Wine doesnt like it.
[01:53] <omi_> how to install any software on ubuntu gnome 14.04?
[01:53] <holstein> adamfish: maybe something you are running with wine.. but i literaly run "sudo apt-ge install wine" and "wine /path/to/*.exe" and see if it works
[01:53] <adamfish> So I cant download it
[01:54] <holstein> omi_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[01:54] <wolfy1339> how do i run xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu server 14.04? i need it for x11vnc
[01:54] <adamfish> apt-ge not found?
[01:55] <jay_> ok before i waste y'alls time fixing my wifi, what distrobution would you guys recommend i use on an older pc? i want to be able to watch youtube wiithout it being choppy at 720p. i try on Lubuntu but it is choppy. puppy wasn't choppy but i couldn't get it to install
[01:55] <lexus00z> adamfish. its apt-get
[01:55] <adamfish> Do I need su?
[01:55] <holstein> adamfish: apt-get, friend
[01:55] <lexus00z> yes
[01:55] <lexus00z> sudo apt-get
[01:55] <holstein> adamfish: i have a typo up there, but i had already given you that command before..
[01:55] <holstein> adamfish: sudo apt-get install wine
[01:56] <holstein> adamfish: actually, do this. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine"
[01:56] <adamfish> Alright
[01:56] <lexus00z> why shoulf update every time before install?
[01:56] <holstein> wolfy1339: you may just want xfce4.. sudo apt-get install xfce4
[01:56] <wolfy1339> ok
[01:56] <holstein> lexus00z: i didnt say that, but, its a good idea to be accessing current data..
[01:57] <adamfish> Fetching and reading
[01:57] <omi_> holstein:  i got error message : E : unable to correct problems, you have held broken package, and I know how to install software on ubuntu with terminal, Ubuntu software center and synaptic, but this is my first time using the ubuntu gnome 14.04, i can't install anything :(
[01:57] <lexus00z> holstein:ok then
[01:57] <jay_> ok before i waste y'alls time fixing my wifi, what distrobution would you guys recommend i use on an older pc? i want to be able to watch youtube wiithout it being choppy at 720p. i try on Lubuntu but it is choppy. puppy wasn't choppy but i couldn't get it to install
[01:58] <adamfish> Jay try ubuntu studio requires some fixing buts its darn good.
[01:58] <holstein> omi_: thats got nothing to do with gnome, though.. if you have broken your system, you can hopefully repair it by running "sudo apt-get update" in a terminal and dealing with errors
[01:58] <jay_> I have a lot of questions and don't want to drive you guys nuts. sorry in advance
[01:58] <adamfish> I dual boot 3 OS's
[01:58] <Beldar> omi_, we need a pastebin showing that error and the packages
[01:58] <jay_> some fixing? what do yo mean by that?
[01:58] <holstein> jay_: i recommend trying the live versions of the ubuntu derivitives.. "flavours"
[01:58] <adamfish> Well I have to fix APT's
[01:58] <holstein> !flavors
[01:58] <lexus00z> jay: its ok
[01:58] <adamfish> IT wont find the file correctly
[01:59] <holstein> jay_: they are *all* ubuntu, though.. all have the same sources.. just different default configurations
[01:59] <adamfish> But its a 2 minute fix
[01:59] <adamfish> Sound works
[01:59] <jay_> so what is recommended for my old pc?
[01:59] <holstein> jay_: i say, choose one, and try and stick it out.. remember how you worked with windows "as-is" for a long time, and had no other options but just to learn to use it
[01:59] <adamfish> Ubuntu Studio
[01:59] <Beldar> omi_,Run the apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and pastebin all of the stuff in the terminal.
[01:59] <holstein> jay_: lubuntu is fine.. or xubuntu
[02:00] <omi_> holstein: I did it actually, after I change to local repositories, I try to install some software, but it wont work.., Beldarok
[02:00] <holstein> i actually disagree on ubuntustudio. though i use it
[02:00] <omi_> Beldar: ok., try it now
[02:00] <mygood> wait
[02:00] <holstein> omi_: if you have broken your sources, you'll have to fix that
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[02:01] <unopaste> adamfish you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[02:01] <jay_> lubuntu is weird though holstein. simple things are hard. like, i can't even change the time on my clock?  i go to digital clock settings and it has a %R??? lol
[02:01] <holstein> !paste | adamfish
[02:01] <jay_> how to i direct my comments like you guys are to a particular person?
[02:01] <holstein> jay_: they are actually not simple, or hard.. its just uncommmon for you.. and i understand its frustrating.. it was for me as well, but i can assure you, i am quite quickly simialarly frustrated with windows now.. though, its not "hard", its just uncommon to me nkow
[02:02] <holstein> now*
[02:02] <holstein> !tab | jay_
[02:02] <triplc> Hi all
[02:03] <holstein> jay_: just remember how long you have been using windows. and how long you use it before adding wifi into the mix.. or customizing anything about the UI.
[02:03] <lexus00z> what about using on cellphome
[02:03] <jay_> holstein, need
[02:03] <jay_> neat*
[02:03] <holstein> jay_: try and give yourself time and be patient.. and plan for failure.. use live CD's to experiment...
[02:03] <omi_> Beldar: run the apt-get update., everything just fine I think.., no error message.., and sorry I can't  paste the post on the terminal because it is on another machine
[02:03] <lexus00z> how can i autocomplish rhe nickname
[02:03] <MouseTheLuckyDog> Is there a GUI runlevel editor?
[02:03] <triplc> how to uninstall Firefox? I run apt-get... to remove it, but apt-get requires me to INSTALL epiphany, which I don't need. I just download Firefox ESR and want to use it instead of Firefox
[02:04]  * triplc using 12.04
[02:04] <holstein> triplc: you may prefer a GUI package manager like synaptic.. you can try "sudo apt-get autoremove firefox"
[02:05] <Beldar> lexus00z, Help directly or ask for support on a issue, don't just randomly comment and use nick when you do.
[02:05] <omi_> now running the dist-upgrade.., it seems like it downloading some thing Beldar
[02:05] <triplc> holstein: I use apt-get... the problem is that there is some package that require firefox
[02:05] <jay_> holstein, I've been two days patient. Windows just does everything for you. Drivers? don't worry about it. ut Clocks? I can set them. lol Windows is easy for anyone. Even people who've never used PC's I'd wager. I do want to learn to use linux though b
[02:05] <triplc> I do not know which one
[02:05] <jay_> because I like the idea of it being made for people just for the heck of being nice and making cool software. that's neat to me
[02:06] <js_doode> jay_: You've taken the red pill eh?
[02:06] <triplc> how to find package(s) that DEPEND on firefox?
[02:06] <jay_> and, i have old hardware i'd like to use and windows is slow
[02:06] <lexus00z> beldar: understood
[02:06] <jay_> i forgot which pill is which but sure..
[02:06] <Beldar> omi_, Why is are you not on the broken computer here?
[02:06] <omi_> jay_ have you tried crunhbang?
[02:06] <js_doode> jay_: distrowatch
[02:06] <adamfish> I am stuck at http://paste.ubuntu.com/7698152/
[02:06] <holstein> jay_: if you want linux to "do everything for you" then, do the same as you do with windows.. buy a machine with ubuntu on it
[02:07] <Beldar> sorry bad grammar, lol omi_
[02:07] <adamfish> Help I cant fix the error
[02:07] <jay_> omi_, i haven't tried that one
[02:07] <jay_> do any older distro's just 'work' out of the box?
[02:07] <omi_> Beldar: I can' reconnect to the irc channel using the "broken machine" :)
[02:07] <adamfish> Jay: Linux Mint
[02:07] <holstein> jay_: its not fail to purchas a machine that comes with windows, and expect ubuntu to "just work".. its quite nice when things do, and actually, i find linux does have more "out of the box" support for hardware than windows..
[02:07] <js_doode> jay_: debian based lubuntu, xubuntu
[02:08] <jay_> I can't afford a new machine cause my town is bad for jobs right now :(
[02:08] <omi_> how old your machine anyway jay_
[02:08] <holstein> jay_: its not about the distro working.. its about it being compatible with your hardware
[02:08] <adamfish> Going back to windows 7..
[02:08] <jay_> i tried linux mint adamfish. it was sloooow
[02:08] <Beldar> adamfish, try windows 8. ;)
[02:08] <miggym> holstein: very true! linux autoinstalled my drivers, whereas windows left me without internet access was stuck at a crappy resolution til i installed drivers
[02:08] <adamfish> SLow but if ram booted.
[02:08] <adamfish> Super fast
[02:09]  * js_doode cries incessantly for the poor souls giving up and going back to winblows
[02:09] <jay_> my machine is about 7 years old? AMD Turion 62 x2 1.8ghz
[02:09] <miggym> jay_: i've had very good experiences with crunchbang
[02:09] <adamfish> Js_doode: I like Ubuntu better but its hard
[02:09] <Beldar> js_doode, misspelling windows here is a loss of cred not gain.
[02:10] <holstein> lubuntu is fresher code.. not that that matters, necessarily..
[02:10] <omi_> I have a pentium 4 2.4Ghz 478,Ram 1GB ddr1.., running crunchbang jay_
[02:10] <js_doode> Beldar: my bad.
[02:10] <holstein> i have a 900mhz celeron running cruchbang, but it ran lubuntu as well..
[02:10] <Beldar> omi_, Is the broken os crunchbang?
[02:10] <omi_> nope
[02:11] <omi_> Beldar: nope.., it is a ubuntu gnome 14.04
[02:11] <Beldar> !who | omi_
[02:11] <adamfish> I have the best computer money can get at the moment fast and Ubuntu still has probs.
[02:11] <allenrm> hey all, i'm looking for something like MS OneNote, that will allow me to keep notes, and clips from websites etc. for linux, any suggestions of something that might work well?
[02:11] <jay_> that sounds good. maybe crunchbag is worth a shot guys
[02:11] <miggym> jay_: you might not like openbox though
[02:11] <Beldar> adamfish, Err, it is the user has problems, you are not even familiar with linux.
[02:12] <holstein> jay_: crunchband.. and its not supported here.. thats the other appeal for lubuntu or an offical ubuntu flavor.. arguably the largest desktop based community user-ship
[02:12] <holstein> crunchbang*
[02:12] <js_doode> adamfish: good luck to you and don't give up. Windows is great but if you want to get your hands dirty then linux is the place. Peace.
[02:12] <adamfish> Beldar: I need some help as you said, this is my first time.
[02:13] <Beldar> adamfish, than don't externalize the blame and get to learning using critical thinking.
[02:13] <jay_> what do you suggest then holstein? Lubuntu won't play 720 youtube :( will crunchband?
[02:13] <holstein> jay_: you will have issues with youtube on any linux distroo
[02:13] <jay_> i basically, download torrents, go on youtube, and reddit
[02:14] <holstein> jay_: i say, choose one, based on look and feel and hardware support.. then, deal with things like youtube
[02:14] <jay_> that's all i need the distro to do. simple stuff
[02:14] <holstein> jay_: they will *all* do that
[02:14] <miggym> jay_: use chromium and get the pepper plugin for flash
[02:14] <jay_> then i should pick the bare minimum like dsl?
[02:14] <jay_> since it will do that?
[02:15] <jay_> flash on Lubuntu makes my processor run at 100 percent with 480p video lol
[02:15] <jay_> ok, well 70's to 100% in that range
[02:15] <holstein> jay_: sure.. and adobe is welcome to address that, but they dont
[02:15] <miggym> jay_: i think that's more of a problem with flash than it is a problem with lubuntu. have you tried setting youtube to use html5?
[02:16] <jay_> I dunno how miggym I'd like to learn tho!
[02:16] <holstein> jay_: you can go here https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ and see factually the older version of flash you have.. i use either the html5 option, or the chrome flash in chrome browser or chromium
[02:16] <holstein> or, i avoid flash..
[02:16] <holstein> https://www.youtube.com/html5
[02:17] <holstein> !info pepperflash-plugin-nonfree
[02:17] <Smashcat> Hi, is there a way to change the IP address only of a machine that has its network interface configured by DHCP. So after getting a lease, change the IP address?
[02:17] <holstein> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[02:17] <jay_> I'm testing out the html5 right now
[02:17] <jay_> brb
[02:18] <holstein> jay_: you would have the same issue on an older version of windows, or osx, where adobe has dropped suuport
[02:20] <jay_> holstein, html5 didn't work well. i appreciate the suggestions but it was choppy even at 360p! and no videos i went to had the option of 720? weird..
[02:20] <holstein> jay_: sure. so, you can try the *actual* current flash version provided by adobe for linux in chrome or chromium
[02:21] <jay_> when you say chrome flash, do you mean the flash from the Lubuntu software manager?
[02:21] <holstein> jay_: be sure you lte adobe know you would like more "native" access to the product they create
[02:21] <holstein> jay_: i mean, factually, you can visit https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ and see what you are running
[02:21] <jay_> how can you blame adobe? it runs perfectly on puppy linux
[02:22] <holstein> jay_: im not trying to "blame" anyone.. its their product.. and up to them to provide support, and they have stopped
[02:22] <ShadowKnight> sorry to bother but hmm...can anyone actually see me? i seem to be having some issues
[02:22] <jay_> but like i said, it runs well on another linux distro
[02:22] <holstein> jay_: adobe provides security updates for 11.2 only.. i use 14 with chrome and you can as well if you find that helpful
[02:22] <holstein> jay_: sure.. it runs well here in lubuntu
[02:23] <holstein> jay_: we can configure it to work well.. are you interested?
[02:23] <holstein> ShadowKnight: i see you
[02:23] <jay_> holstein, do you get flash from the Software Center or from the Adobe website?
[02:23] <holstein> jay_: neither
[02:23] <holstein> jay_: i use the only factual current version for linux
[02:23] <jay_> i don't understand
[02:24] <jay_> factual current version?
[02:24] <holstein> jay_: i get it from the sources i keep linking.. they are for chrome only and chromium
[02:24] <holstein> jay_: correct.. adobe doesnt provide flash for linux anymore.. but, chrome gets their own from google
[02:24] <jay_> what's a factual current version?
[02:24] <jay_> so google made a flash player for chrome?
[02:24] <holstein> jay_: im saying, its a fact.. its not my opinion..
[02:25] <ShadowKnight> holstein: thanks
[02:25] <jay_> in linux i mean
[02:25] <holstein> jay_: its factually the only current version there is..
[02:26] <holstein> jay_: if you open a terminal, and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install chromium-browser && sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree" you should, if i didnt typo, have working flash in the chromium browser. which you can see what version you are using here.. https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[02:26] <jay_> how did you get the flash player? did it just come with chrome in the package?
[02:27] <holstein> jay_: it is included in the chrome browser. and you can use it with the package i refercence a few times above.. "pepperflashplugin-nonfree"... you can use it that way with the chromium browser
[02:27] <jay_> jesus, how do you know what all that means holstein? where do you even do to learn all those command terminal things?
[02:27] <Quoexl> practice my young padawan
[02:28] <holstein> jay_: you dont have to learn the commands.. there are other ways.. but, this is from necessity.. adobe is welcome to provide you an easier way.. a package like they make for windows, for example
[02:29] <jay_> have you ever wanted to throw your linux pc at the wall or ground?
[02:29] <ShadowKnight> jay_: all the time
[02:29] <holstein> jay_: no.. i want to throw *all* computers like that
[02:29] <Quoexl> on a regular basis
[02:30] <jay_> i feel this way lol it's soooo much to learn. if i had money. tell ya what i'd do. go down town and buy a windows 7 pc or two..  lol jk
[02:30] <ShadowKnight> jay_: you just install 14.04?
[02:30] <Quoexl> jay_: I'm assuming you are too young to have ever used dos
[02:30] <jay_> what's 14.04i'm 30
[02:30] <jay_> sorry
[02:30] <joey_> test
[02:30] <jay_> I'm 30. no dos here
[02:30] <ShadowKnight> Quoexl: your never too young to use DOS, im 16 and iv used it
[02:31] <Quoexl> and you and 3 other people on the planet
[02:31] <ShadowKnight> jay_: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[02:31] <jay_> Lubuntu
[02:31] <jay_> dunno how to tell the version. I just updated about a half an hour ago
[02:31] <kdeder> will there ever be a Mubuntu? :)
[02:32] <jay_> through the Softwarew Updater
[02:32] <kdeder> I haven't looked at Lubuntu for a while but Xubuntu looked good
[02:32] <ShadowKnight> jay_: follow this: http://howtoubuntu.org/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr
[02:32] <ShadowKnight> its really helpful
[02:32] <Quoexl> jay_: open terminal and type lsb_release -a
[02:34] <jay_> I'm not trying to be negetive, just real here. I'm just saying. All ten of those things you wouldn't have to waste your time doing in windows. It's automatic. Why isn't Linux there?
[02:34] <jay_> It's just mind blowing how technical you have to be to use linux on an older pc
[02:35] <ShadowKnight> jay_: your very right, but many Linux users want to have as light as possible an OS then customize it
[02:35] <jay_> I want a light OS and to leave it there
[02:35] <jay_> I just download movie and tv shows, surf the web and that's about it really
[02:35] <jay_> I don't need fancy crap
[02:35] <ShadowKnight> jay_: but i agree with you, there should be a version that comes with everything you need out of the box and so you dont have to fiddle and get all technical
[02:35] <jay_> this should be simple
[02:36] <Quoexl> you want a light windowed os, install fluxbox and xdm
[02:36] <jay_> will i still be able to talk to the nice people in here from fluxbox?
[02:37] <Quoexl> you'll need to install an irc client
[02:37] <ShadowKnight> jay_: sure just use CIRC on chrome
[02:37] <jay_> oh cool
[02:37] <ShadowKnight> {cough} puppy linux {cough}
[02:37] <Quoexl> fluxbox is about as basic as it gets
[02:37] <jay_> i tried puppy linux and liked it
[02:37] <jay_> it wouldn't install to my hdd though
[02:37] <jimbohertz> test
[02:37] <somsip> jay_: basically, install the minimal ubuntu, then put whatever desktop you want on top. openbox/fluxbox are very popular for light usage
[02:37] <Quoexl> you could install DSL but thats fairly useless
[02:37] <holstein> use puppy then.. you dont install it. thats the catch.. its not like that. its not a full distro
[02:37] <ShadowKnight> its pretty good on older mechines, on new ones its...ewww
[02:37] <jay_> it kept saying it couldn't find my kernal?
[02:38] <Quoexl> its kernel and what was the actual error statement?
[02:38] <holstein> i say, puppy is nice, bit not a good beginners setup.. and its a bit "frozen" in the past with updates.. some important ones..
[02:38] <jay_> fluxbox is a ubuntu install somsip?
[02:38] <somsip> !info fluxbox | jay_
[02:38] <Quoexl> sudo apt-get install fluxbox xdm
[02:38] <ShadowKnight> jay_: Try Linux Mint, its similar to windows and less finicky than ubuntu
[02:38] <holstein> i dont suggest fluxbox for a new user either.. i think lxde is as light as i get..
[02:39] <somsip> !minimal | jay_
[02:39] <Quoexl> I usually send new users to kde
[02:39] <jay_> what was that? !info thing?
[02:39] <holstein> i do not agree that mint is "less finiky". and not that because its not supported here..
[02:39] <holstein> ^kde has a nice windows-y feel.. but, it might be too heavy on your hardware
[02:40] <somsip> jay_: so when you install minimal, you only get the bare minimum packages and no bloat. Then you install fluxbox (or lxdm, or whatever) on top and you have a minimal, working, graphical front-end on a bloat-free install
[02:40] <ShadowKnight> holstein: is was for me, i only use ubuntu cause i was fed up with windows and wanted a second OS, than windows killed itself so im stuck
[02:40] <somsip> !brain | jay_ (regarding the !info thing)
[02:41] <ShadowKnight> you gotta be carefull bout installing front-ends like KDE though cuz getting rid of them if you dont like em seems to require ripping apart your entire OS and its still never the same
[02:41] <jay_> ohhh neat. a program and gives out info to people so you don't have to retype things a million type
[02:42] <omi_> Beldar: holstein thanks for the help.., the dist-upgrade command solved the problem, now I can install things here..,
[02:42] <holstein> ^ thats why i suggest trying the live CD's.. try kubuntu live... experiement live, and dont change your system
[02:42] <jay_> holstein, you seem to be a big ubuntu fan. do you think i should go to fluxbox? why are you so big on ubuntu for an old pc
[02:43] <ShadowKnight> maybe im wrong but isnt fluxbox a front-end for ubuntu? or an ubuntu varient?
[02:43] <jay_> holstein, what program do you use for "live cd's" on a USB stick?
[02:43] <holstein> jay_: as i said, for  a new user, i personally think fluxbox is not ideal.. i think lxde is as light as i would suggest.. but, it really depends, and you should check them out and decide for yourself
[02:43] <somsip> ShadowKnight: fluxbox is a windown manager
[02:43] <ShadowKnight> somsip: ooops,  my mistake
[02:44] <jay_> oh. i thought fluxbox was a distrobution
[02:44] <ShadowKnight> nope
[02:44] <holstein> lxde can be using openbox, which is similarly light
[02:44] <Quoexl> no fluxbox is a front end for the xserver
[02:44] <jay_> and openbox is a distro of ubuntu?
[02:44] <holstein> if you are on a machine, and not happy with lxde, you are likely not going to find anything that really runs much "faster"..
[02:44] <somsip> jay_: no, which is why I suggest the minimal install for using WMs that are not an official flavour (like kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu)
[02:44] <Foxhoundz> I installed php5-mcrypt
[02:44] <Foxhoundz> but for some reason it's not being loaded
[02:44] <somsip> Foxhoundz: you need to add the symlink manually
[02:45] <Foxhoundz> somsip: where is the mcrypt library located in Ubuntu?
[02:45] <ShadowKnight> y'all need to remember jay_ probably doesnt know what xserver, window managers, front-ends, etc. are
[02:45] <Quoexl> Foxhoundz: check php.ini to see if its turned on
[02:45] <holstein> jay_: and, im not disagreeing with somsip .. that *is* a great way to get exactly what you want, and only what you want.. its just that you dont know what that is yet...
[02:45] <Foxhoundz> Quoexl: I checked and it's not. It's commented out
[02:45] <somsip> Foxhoundz: http://askubuntu.com/questions/450825/ubuntu-14-04-phpmyadmin-cant-find-mcrypt-extension
[02:45] <jay_> your right ShadowKnight
[02:45] <jay_> i don't know what those things are
[02:45] <Quoexl> Foxhoundz: well if its not turned on, even if its installed, will it work?
[02:46] <holstein> jay_: but, you can see many of them in live CD's.. and get away with instaling and trying them in live CD's
[02:46] <somsip> Foxhoundz: if this is 14.04, see the above. You don't add them in php.ini anymore. You use /etc/php5/conf.d
[02:46] <ShadowKnight> jay_: same thing happened when i first went to linux, i asked for help and got swamped with tech-talk
[02:46] <ShadowKnight> holstein: did you explain what a live CD is?
[02:46] <Quoexl> well crud,. yeah listen to him, I
[02:46] <Quoexl> m stuck in the stone age
[02:46] <holstein> ShadowKnight: feel free...
[02:48] <Foxhoundz> somsip: there is no directory called conf.d under /etc/php5
[02:48] <Foxhoundz> i'm on 14.04
[02:48] <Foxhoundz> aha
[02:48] <Foxhoundz> I found it
[02:51] <Foxhoundz> it was under /usr/lib
[02:51] <somsip> jay_: ubuntu is the OS and the packaging system. By default, the desktop version uses Unity as the window manager. You can also install other flavours of ubuntu that come with different window managers. Like lubuntu uses lxde, kubuntu uses kde.
[02:51] <holstein> !flavors > jay_
[02:51] <somsip> Foxhoundz: you shouldn't need the path if you follow that link I gave you
[02:51] <jay_> lxde kde and gnome are all just window managers?
[02:51] <ShadowKnight> jay_: window managers are the background programs that detemine how the desktop, windows, etc, work
[02:51] <ShadowKnight> jay_: yes
[02:51] <somsip> jay_: essentially, though because they do a bit more they are also referred to as Desktop Environments (DEs)
[02:51] <villandra> I'm installing Kubuntu, and I missed one detail when I took notes on how to set up the partitions.  I'm planning to install more Linux OS's on the disk.  Does the boot loader go in the boot partition or in /dev/sda?
[02:51] <somsip> jay_: so Gnome is very much a DE, wheres fluxbox just manages windows so it's just a WM
[02:51] <jay_> What's the difference between and Windows Manager and a Desktop Environment?
[02:51] <Quoexl> windows managers load desktop environments
[02:51] <jay_> How do I check a private message?
[02:51] <somsip> jay_: http://is.gd/CGnro6
[02:51] <Quoexl> left side red letters
[02:52] <ShadowKnight> jay_: there is litle difference you will notice, beyond the fact that DEs make more changes
[02:53] <villandra> I need to know where to install the boot loader - in /dev/sda or in the boot partition.
[02:53] <Quoexl> boot
[02:53] <ShadowKnight> villandra: i believe its boot
[02:53] <villandra> Even if I'm going to install more Linux OSs?
[02:53] <Quoexl> they will feed off the original grub install
[02:53] <villandra> Will each Linux OS get its own boot partition or do I only make one boot partition for all the OS's?
[02:54] <ShadowKnight> one for all
[02:54] <villandra> So only one boot partition for all the OS's?
[02:54] <Bashing-om> villandra: Install the boot loader - grub - to 'sda' IF you only have the 1 HD installed in the box.
[02:54] <villandra> So don't put the boot loader in /boot.
[02:54] <Beldar> omi_, Good, fixed, enjoy.
[02:56] <ShadowKnight> jay_: got a handle on it now?
[02:56] <jay_> not really ShadowKnight lol
[02:57] <ShadowKnight> jay_: lol, PM me with any more questions, ill help as best i can
[02:57] <Bashing-om> villandra: While one may have a seperate /boot partition, that practice is discouraged. Generally a very needless complication and a source of trouble for those unaware.
[02:58] <jay_> can someone explain exacly what I und what's needed for a linux OS install? I mean be brief. Here's my understanding. Turn on PC. After the BOIS checks hardware, you need a bootable CD or USB stick with an OS on it. then what?
[02:58] <ShadowKnight> hay_: ill PM you with the answer
[02:58] <jay_> ok thanks
[02:58] <Quoexl> jay_: if not him I'll help
[02:58] <villandra> So I remove the /boot partition and just put the boot loader in /dev/sda?  Because that seems to be what the Ubuntu install manual is saying to do.
[02:59] <Quoexl> do NOT remove the /boot
[02:59] <Quoexl> go through the install and at the end it will ask you if you want to install to the master boot record, say YES
[03:00] <villandra> Leave the /boot, even though its only function is to caluse trouble, but put the boot loader in /dev/sda?  I am planning to install more Linux OS's.   Ubuntu install manual says if installing multiple Linux OS's they will boot off the boot laoder.
[03:00] <Bashing-om> villandra: ^^, if you have already committed with a /boot partition .. Go ahead. Learning to deal with it is a learning curve.
[03:00] <Quoexl> it will detect grub and add the new linux partition to it
[03:00] <villandra> I'm doing manual preparing partitions, since I'm going to install more OS's on this hard drive.   It wants to know on what device I want to put the boot loader installation.
[03:01] <villandra> Nothing else is installed on this hard drive so far.
[03:01] <Quoexl> master boot record
[03:01] <Quoexl> or /dev/sda1
[03:01] <villandra> It isn't committed yet. I can still undo the boot partition.
[03:02] <Quoexl> I set 1 partition for / 1 partition for /home and one for swap
[03:02] <villandra> Is the mbr on /dev/sda or on /dev/sda1?
[03:02] <Bashing-om> villandra: Are you installing using the standard install wizard to do the partitioning ? OR have you previosly set up partitions to install onto ?
[03:02] <Quoexl> ,,, /dev/sda/
[03:02] <villandra> I'm starting fresh with a new hard drive.  I'm installing kubuntu, and setting up partitions manually since I'm going to install more Linux OS's and don't want it to use the whole hard drive.
[03:03] <villandra> I'm in the middle of preparing partitions.  So if the /boot partition doesn't belong I can undo it.
[03:03] <Quoexl> use manual partition and make your sizes smaller than the whole drive
[03:03] <Quoexl> you dont need a /boot partition
[03:03] <Bashing-om> villandra: MBR is the 1st sector on the hard drive NOT related to any partition - it is the 1st 512 bytes on the disk.
[03:04] <villandra> OOOKay.  Oh, OK.  I don't need any /boot partitions, undo it, start over, boot loader will go in /dev/sda.
[03:04] <villandra> OK.  I know that's true in Windows.  I thought Linux doesn't use MBR, uses GRUB.
[03:04] <Bashing-om> villandra: Correct ! no /boot, install grub to 'sda' .. and all will go fine.
[03:05] <villandra> And I'm not actually sure if the boot loader is in the boot sector or in the operating system.
[03:05] <Quoexl> if you load grub in the mbr its same same
[03:05] <villandra> Alright.  Think I've got it.  Tahnks!
[03:05] <villandra> quit
[03:05] <Quoexl> we'll be here
[03:06] <Bashing-om> villandra: MBR = Master Boot Record. Which is the location of the 1st stage of the booting code, the location where bios hands of to.
[03:06] <Quoexl> he's gone
[03:06] <Bashing-om> too late .. hasty huh ?
[03:06] <Quoexl> swing....and a miss
[03:07] <Bashing-om> Quoexl: I bet we see that worthy self again, soon !.
[03:07] <Quoexl> I been fiddling with voice/video chat servers as of late, anyone got some knowhow?
[03:08] <Quoexl> Bashing-om: or he breaks it beyond repair
[03:08] <ponchos> did justin bieber see selena gomez naked?
[03:08] <ponchos> !ops | did justin bieber see selena gomez naked?
[03:09] <Quoexl> rut roh rorge
[03:09] <ponchos> !ops | did justin bieber see selena gomez naked?
[03:09] <ponchos> !ops | did justin bieber see selena gomez naked??
[03:09] <Gallomimia> Quoexl: i been fiddling with mumble servers lately. don't know much about video chat
[03:09] <ponchos> !staff
[03:10] <Gallomimia> "requested"
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Quoexl: That in and of it's self ( breaking the OS) is not a bad thing ... When 1st introduced to 'buntu, i learned a lot ! ( There are still those time I break it ).
[03:10] <xpistos> Hey All. I need help desperately. I have a 2 tb drive that had family movies and other things on it and I am afraid the drive may now be bad.
[03:10] <sydney> IdleOne: Thank you. :D
[03:10] <xpistos> can someone help me figure out what might be wrong and if I can save it?
[03:10] <Gallomimia> whats so bad about the drive
[03:11] <xpistos> Gallomimia: when I boot the computer it said the drive had serious issues
[03:11] <Quoexl> I found myself needing to be a sysadmin in april 2006, I hadnt seen linux in feb of 2006, I passed and got the job
[03:11] <xpistos> and it did not show the drive as mounted.
[03:11] <Gallomimia> can you read the files?
[03:11] <xpistos> no
[03:11] <Quoexl> epic fail
[03:11] <Gallomimia> sounds worthy of investigating further
[03:11] <entreri> hello, where can I find the wallpapers included in Ubuntu ?
[03:11] <Quoexl> fsck sounds like its on the menu
[03:12] <sydney> !details| xpistos
[03:12] <Gallomimia> you're running an operating system right
[03:12] <xpistos> yes
[03:12] <Gallomimia> perhaps that operating system has tools to repair disks. you could run a smart test or fsck on it
[03:12] <Quoexl> what is the operating system, the system that you are operating?
[03:12] <xpistos> I am running badblocks -v now to see what it tells me
[03:12] <sydney> entreri: Look it up online? I dont know if there is an official spot to find them. :-/
[03:12] <xpistos> so far nothing
[03:13] <Quoexl> chuck the HD in the bin and get another
[03:13] <Gallomimia> he wants data from it obviously
[03:13] <xpistos> Mainly family movies and pictures
[03:13] <Gallomimia> but yes, expect to need a replacement hard drive
[03:13] <entreri> sydney: they should be somewhere under /
[03:13] <Gallomimia> preferably before you manage to recover the drive to readable state. you know... some place to put the data once recovered?
[03:13] <xpistos> I have one I can transfer to
[03:13] <Gallomimia> excellent
[03:14] <sydney> entreri: Ahh,you mean that way. :D
[03:14] <Gallomimia> in future, refer to this as your "back up drive"
[03:14] <Gallomimia> important files shall be "backed up" to it.
[03:14] <Gallomimia> instead of leaving it empty
[03:14] <Gallomimia> :D
[03:14] <Gallomimia> now, read about fsck that's a good way to fix a drive that's messed up
[03:15] <xpistos> should I stop the badblocks from running?
[03:15] <Gallomimia> then run SMART tests on it and see if anything is messed up
[03:15] <Quoexl> I would suggest putting a new drive in, do a fresh install, install and run photorec and hope for the best
[03:15] <xpistos> the drive that is the problem does not have the os on it
[03:15] <Gallomimia> i guess. i don't know what that is, but i think it merely searches for bad blocks, and marks them as unusable
[03:15] <xpistos> it is a storage drive.
[03:15] <xpistos> the box is up and running fine
[03:16] <Gallomimia> does nothing for recovering files
[03:16] <Quoexl> ok install photorec and run it on the data drive
[03:16] <Gallomimia> anyone else know what "badblocks" does?
[03:16] <xpistos> I was told that it looks for errors
[03:16] <Quoexl> !info badblocks
[03:16] <xpistos> this is a ways back though
[03:16] <sydney> entreri: /usr/share/backgrounds
[03:16] <Gallomimia> before we recommend running all this io intensive stuff on it, i think discovering whats wrong with the drive is better
[03:16] <Quoexl> !badblocks
[03:17] <Gallomimia> i think smart tests is best
[03:17] <Gallomimia> to start
[03:17] <Gallomimia> why is the drive hooped?
[03:17] <Gallomimia> did you turn it off while writing to it?
[03:17] <eduorloff> hi
[03:17] <Quoexl> honestly I would remove the drive, put it in a ziploc bag and toss it in the freezer for an hour, then take 1 swing at retrieval
[03:17] <entreri> sydney: thank you! I tried with 'find' and there are too many results : P
[03:17] <xpistos> no. it showed the folders were read only and so I rebooted the system to see what was wrong
[03:17] <Quoexl> then add |more to the end of your find
[03:17] <xpistos> and if it would correct it.
[03:18] <Gallomimia> we don't even know that's why it failed quoexl
[03:18] <sydney> entreri: No problem :D
[03:18] <Quoexl> no prob
[03:18] <Quoexl> ls
[03:18] <Gallomimia> do smart tests in the disks program
[03:18] <xpistos> run smart tests. What can I look for on how to do that
[03:19] <Gallomimia> you're running ubuntu right?
[03:19] <xpistos> yes
[03:19] <Gallomimia> run the program called disks
[03:19] <Gallomimia> its graphical
[03:20] <xpistos> be right back!
[03:22] <xpistos_tower> ok. I am on the box with the trouble hdd and have "disks:" open
[03:22] <Quoexl> any odds on how long it takes him to get back?
[03:23] <Quoexl> I'm not your guy xpistos, I go straight to the extreme
[03:23] <sydney> xpistos What version of ubuntu you running?
[03:24] <xpistos_tower> gall
[03:24] <xpistos_tower> Gallomimia: do I run a selftest
[03:24] <Gaming4JC> So I have a complex and stupid error I made. (dd'ing to the wrong drive by the infamous disk destroyer) - instead of making a live usb I blasted away my Windows 7 NTS partition! TestDisk can't recover it. However it only overwrote 436MB of the 150GB partition. Is there anyway to recover the data? I can see most of it is still there even though nothing can "see" the partition table
[03:24] <holstein> xpistos_tower: you should be able to do a test there.. smart test
[03:24] <Quoexl> sudo lsb_release -a
[03:24] <holstein> xpistos_tower: i run the longest test there.. this is not a "fix" .. its a way for you to test the drive
[03:25] <ShadowKnight> maybe this is not the smartest thing but...recuva by piriform?
[03:25] <xpistos_tower> I ran a short and it says the disk is ok and has 1443 bad sectors
[03:25] <Quoexl> photorec is very effective
[03:25] <holstein> xpistos_tower: thats a lot..
[03:25] <xpistos_tower> oh wait, it is still running I think
[03:25] <Quoexl> freezer then photorec is better
[03:25] <xpistos_tower> holstein: it is a 2tb drive if that means anything
[03:25] <Gaming4JC> ShadowKnight: Recuva was completely lost unfortunately. I was running it from the old Hiren's Boot CD :P
[03:25] <holstein> xpistos_tower: i run the long test..
[03:25] <luckybunny> hmmm. Unity/Compiz issue... Every time I open a new window, it appears with its title bar obscured by the unity panel, i.e pops up underneath the panel. Is there a way to prevent that so all new windows will open clear of the panel?
[03:25] <xpistos_tower> extended?
[03:25] <Quoexl> it means its still under warranty I bet
[03:26] <Gaming4JC> or perhaps two people are having HDD problems tonight :s
[03:26] <ShadowKnight> Gaming4JC: nope its still up: https://www.piriform.com/recuva
[03:26] <luckybunny> just rather difficult to minimise/maximise/close when you have a panel covering the buttons to do so
[03:27] <xpistos_tower> 50% done
[03:27] <ShadowKnight> luckybunny: you could always assign keyboard shortcuts (its not the best fix but it might work)
[03:27] <xpistos_tower> 80%
[03:27] <Quoexl> I recommend a large hammer
[03:27] <ShadowKnight> Quoexl: LOL
[03:28] <Quoexl> les encourage les otres
[03:28] <holstein> luckybunny: you can try resetting your unity to default.. is this behavior present in the guest session?
[03:28] <Gaming4JC> My problem is primarily that dd installed a CD into my Windows 7 partition :P | fdisk says: Partition 1: overlaps partition 2.
[03:28] <Gaming4JC> surely fixable though
[03:28] <luckybunny> I have no clue
[03:28]  * Gaming4JC continues to duckduckgo
[03:28] <Quoexl> they said I cant use the "gnome" word anymore
[03:28] <holstein> luckybunny: i can wait while you confirm..
[03:29] <xpistos_tower> Gallomimia: I think it is finishing up the short self test
[03:29] <xpistos_tower> 10% remaining
[03:29] <holstein> xpistos_tower: no need for that..
[03:29] <luckybunny> it's ok.. I'm in a bit of a hurry to get to sleep, as it's half 4 in the morning. Was hoping for a quick settings change. Don't feel like logging out and back
[03:30] <luckybunny> also alt+f4 will cover me for closing
[03:30] <luckybunny> and I can always drag things out from under the launcher. no hardship really
[03:30] <Quoexl> I have a hate/hate relationship with unity
[03:31] <Quoexl> welcome back jay_
[03:31] <ShadowKnight> unity is pretty, its compiz i hate
[03:31] <holstein> Quoexl: use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel to chat about unity
[03:31] <jay__> thanks man
[03:31] <Quoexl> just change to unity without compiz at login ShadowKnight
[03:32] <xpistos_tower> I ran dmesg | tail about 10 minutes ago and got the following: http://pastebin.com/Ai6G970T
[03:32] <holstein> luckybunny: if you find the desktop works as expected in the guest session, you can use http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-reset-compiz-and-unity-in-ubuntu.html to reset your users config
[03:32] <ShadowKnight> Quoexl: not sure how, but i aint gonna mess, it works...for now
[03:32] <Gaming4JC> Better stated for my question: Is anyone familiar with using sfdisk without a partition table backup? :)
[03:33] <xpistos_tower> holstein: should I run the extended when the short test is done? I would have thought it would finish by now. It has been on 10% remaining for a while.
[03:34] <ShadowKnight> xpistos_tower: that is a sign of drive error/fault
[03:34] <holstein> xpistos_tower: depends.. this is not a fix.. its a way you can learn about your hardware and what state it is in
[03:34] <holstein> i agree, i would expect it to hang if it were failing..
[03:35] <xpistos_tower> At this point, if I could get it to read-only I would be happy
[03:35] <ShadowKnight> is it an SDD"
[03:35] <ShadowKnight> ?
[03:35] <xpistos_tower> no it is a hdd
[03:35] <xpistos_tower> western digital 2tb green drive I think
[03:35] <xpistos_tower> wd20ears
[03:35] <holstein> xpistos_tower: you can have a limited amount of time with it.. you might consider planning your steps wisely
[03:35] <ShadowKnight> ok, i would suggest trying Recuva running off a USB drive, noy sure if it will work though
[03:36] <xpistos_tower> my main concern is family stuff and my wife's school items
[03:36] <holstein> testdisk is about as good as it gets..
[03:36] <xpistos_tower> ok. what is testdisk
[03:36] <oliver__> Hi everyone.
[03:36] <holstein> !testdisk
[03:36] <rsw> hi oliver__
[03:36] <holstein> !info testdisk
[03:37] <oliver__> I just installed a linux operating system(ubuntu) for the first time
[03:37] <Bashing-om> xpistos_tower: ^^ see also : http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Menu_Analyse .
[03:37] <oliver__> It looks great!
[03:37] <oliver__> Who do I thank?
[03:38] <ShadowKnight> oliver_: welcome to the family
[03:38] <xpistos_tower> so should I install testdisk now?
[03:38] <oliver__> Am I allowed to talk here?
[03:38] <oliver__> Ty
[03:38] <xpistos_tower> apt-get install testdisk?
[03:38] <Gaming4JC> !ask | oliver__
[03:38] <Ben64> oliver__: this channel is for support, if you want to chat with other ubuntu peoples, head over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:39] <holstein> xpistos_tower: its not trivial.. i mean, as i said, you can have a limited amount of time with the drive.. you can pay someone literally $400 + us to recover data, and not get data
[03:39] <ShadowKnight> oliver_: this room is mostly for support go to #ubuntu-offtopic for all else
[03:39] <Bashing-om> xpistos_tower: Yes on the install .. instructions: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step , for usage.
[03:39]  * Gaming4JC needs help with sfdisk
[03:39] <Gaming4JC> :p
[03:39] <rsw> hey thanks, i didn't know that either ShadowKnight ubottu Ben64
[03:39] <ShadowKnight> no prob, rsw
[03:39] <holstein> xpistos_tower: its a handy tool.. but data recovery is not trivial http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[03:39] <Ben64> xpistos_tower: you should make a copy using ddrescue right away
[03:40] <xpistos_tower> Ben64: what is ddrescue?
[03:40]  * holstein +1 on copy ^
[03:40] <la> OL
[03:40] <la> LOL
[03:40] <holstein> then, you can spend time with the copy
[03:40] <la> :/
[03:40] <la> ---------------
[03:40] <la>
[03:41] <la>
[03:41] <la>
[03:41] <Gaming4JC> fl00d.
[03:41] <Ben64> xpistos_tower: ddrescue is like dd, but with additional capabilities for bad drives. it makes a bit by bit copy of a file/filesystem/block device/whatever
[03:41] <Gaming4JC> :|
[03:41] <Ben64> la: stop.
[03:41] <xpistos_tower> if I don't have another 2 tb drive I can't use that right?
[03:41] <alexw> I am always connecting to numerous SSH servers - getting sick of remembering the string
[03:41] <Ben64> xpistos_tower: you'd need 2TB of space, yes
[03:41] <holstein> xpistos_tower: if you *ReallY* want the data, you will go buy one
[03:41] <alexw> Is there way I can do, "ssh home" or something?
[03:41] <xpistos_tower> then should I shut down the drive and dis connect it for now
[03:41] <Ben64> xpistos_tower: yes
[03:41] <somsip> alexw: use .ssh/config to setup aliases
[03:41] <MEI> Q MIERDA
[03:42] <MEI> ??
[03:42] <MEI> ¡??
[03:42] <Gaming4JC> !es | MEI
[03:42] <Ben64> MEI: stop spamming
[03:42] <xpistos> I shut it down now
[03:42] <alexw> somsip cheers :)
[03:42] <xpistos> and will disconnect the drive. Should I put it in the freezer for now as well or not yet
[03:42] <Ben64> xpistos: every second you waste could mean less data you can recover
[03:42] <MEIy> inglish??
[03:42] <Ben64> xpistos: i wouldn't
[03:43] <xpistos> Ben64: every second or every second the drive it on
[03:43] <Ben64> MEIy: do you have a support question? if so, ask it.
[03:43] <MEIy> hello
[03:43] <MEIy> no
[03:43] <xpistos> Ben64: if I take the drive out now and sit it on my shelf will it be okay if I wait a day or so?
[03:43] <Ben64> MEIy: then be quiet please, or you can chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:43] <MEIy> I am argentina
[03:43] <Ben64> xpistos: yes that will be fine
[03:44] <xpistos> Ben64: I really apprciate the help guys
[03:44] <Gaming4JC> MEIy: try #ubuntu-es (spanish language)
[03:44] <xpistos> holstein: you and Gallomimia as well!
[03:44] <MEIy> yes
[03:44] <Ben64> xpistos: but yeah, you want to ddrescue first, then you can use testdisk or whatever on the image created by ddrescue
[03:45] <Gaming4JC> Ben64: the problem with ddrescue is how do you backup a 1TB drive to an image without having another 1 or 2TB drive ? :p
[03:45] <MEIy> >:
[03:45] <holstein> Gaming4JC: you go get one.. if you are really wanting the data.. you'll have a place for a backup
[03:45] <Ben64> Gaming4JC: yeah, you don't
[03:45] <Gaming4JC> ic
[03:45] <xpistos> and i obviously don't want a usb drive correct?
[03:45] <MEIy> :( inglish no :(
[03:46] <xpistos> cause it would copy too slowly
[03:46] <Ben64> xpistos: yeah it'
[03:46] <Ben64> d be slow
[03:46] <holstein> xpistos: could be.. if you are ok with the speed
[03:46] <holstein> internal is likely faster and cheaper
[03:46] <Ben64> !es | MEIy
[03:47] <MEIy> #join
[03:47] <xpistos> my external may be 2 tb let me check
[03:47] <MEIy> bay+
[03:47] <Gaming4JC> Ben64: are you familiar with sfdisk?
[03:48] <Ben64> Gaming4JC: sure
[03:48] <andrew-ubuntu> Hey guys, I'm looking for a way to disable my laptops built in display on boot (before login). How is this possible on Ubuntu 14.04?
[03:49] <Gaming4JC> Ben64: cool. My problem was, I dd'ed away 460MB of my Windows 7 partition. TestDisk can't see my NTFS partition anymore. I know the files are still there since I can find them with grep and cat
[03:49] <Gaming4JC> Ben64: I'd like to try fixing the partition. ntfsfix couldn't handle it due too "Mounting volume... NTFS signature is missing."
[03:49] <Gaming4JC> :/
[03:49] <Ben64> Gaming4JC: probably a better question for ##windows actually
[03:49] <Gaming4JC> ok
[03:50] <ShadowKnight> andrew-ubuntu: try system settings/displays
[03:51] <andrew-ubuntu> ShadowKnight: The changes in system settings only take affect after login. I would like the monitor to be turned off sooner than that. I tried turning it off via rc.local, but it didn't seem to work.
[03:52] <ShadowKnight> andrew-ubuntu: sorry, thats a question to direct to someone wiser than I
[03:52] <xpistos> is it good or bad that the partition is an ext4
[03:52] <Ben64> xpistos: what do you mean
[03:53] <oliver__> I would like to know how to save the settings so I don't have to do it again every time I log on.
[03:54] <ShadowKnight> oliver_: are you running a live OS?
[03:54] <tanktops> Is there something i could install in ubuntu to allow me to use gestures on my touch screen to do stuff. Like scrolling down a web page?
[03:54] <oliver__> I have installed ubuntu 14.04 desktop 64-bit amd
[03:54] <oliver__> no more windows
[03:54] <ShadowKnight> then it should happen automatically...what isnt being saved?
[03:55] <oliver__> my mouse settings
[03:55] <xangua> tanktops: there is easystroke to make gestures with the mouse pointer, I would guess is the same in a touchscreen
[03:56] <tanktops> xangua: thanks
[03:56] <ShadowKnight> oliver_: changes should be saved automatically
[03:57] <oliver__> well.. they're not. When I reboot, I have to do it again...
[03:58] <rsw> hey, do someone know offhand if video still functions in uzbl, ubuntu 12.04?
[03:58] <xpistos> Ben64: I have 1.7 GB available on a seperate usb hdd
[03:58] <oliver__> I used the sudo command, and then it was working after I quit the terminal, but not after a reboot.
[03:58] <xpistos> Do we think this will do?
[03:59] <Ben64> oliver__: why sudo?
[03:59] <oliver__> I used the sudo command, and then the settings where saved after I quit the terminal, but not after a reboot.
[04:00] <xpistos> If I do the ddrescue does that actually copy my data?
[04:00] <oliver__> If i didn't use the sudo command, the settings went back to default right after I quit the terminal.
[04:01] <Ben64> oliver__: what is the actual command you're using
[04:01] <zelbinian> K... so... I updated from 13.10 to 14.04... and that did not go so well. Went to restart, and it hung and shutdown so I did a hard reset. Now it hangs on startup.
[04:01] <oliver__> "xset m 1/2 4"
[04:02] <Ben64> oliver__: yeah you should be setting that through the mouse settings applet in the system settings
[04:02] <oliver__> Yeah, I know, but its not there. Thats why I went looking for a workaround.
[04:04] <oliver__> so after I set the command, how do I save it so it becomes default from now on?
[04:04] <xpistos> Ben64: when i tried to do a mount -a earlier it would not mount the drive in question
[04:04] <xpistos> Ben64: will that matter with the ddrescue?
[04:05] <xpistos> Ben64: and is ddrescue a cd or a program on the system?
[04:05] <xpistos> Ben64: I was able to find a gddrescue which I am assuming is the same program
[04:08] <xpistos> holstein: Should I be okay with 1.7 tb to try the ddrescue
[04:09] <holstein> xpistos: i would make sure, the next time you power that drive up, you can image it
[04:09] <xpistos> holstein: What do you mean image it?
[04:10] <holstein> xpistos: make the copy you are talking about, that you want to work from
[04:10] <xpistos> if I image it is it like makeing an iso?
[04:10] <xpistos> or is it actually the file system
[04:10] <xpistos> so I can access the data
[04:10] <xpistos> from the new drive
[04:11] <holstein> xpistos: you can try and recover the data from the copy*
[04:11] <xpistos> so ddrescue is like a back up utility more or less
[04:12] <holstein> xpistos: its what has been suggested for you to make the copy
[04:12] <xpistos> holstein: ok so I will power up the tower and put the usb drive in mount it and then I can start the ddrescue
[04:13] <xpistos> holstein: now I just have to find the info on using ddrescue. or gddrescue I guess it is
[04:13] <holstein> xpistos: i say again, i would consider it time sensitive..
[04:15] <xpistos> I speak greek natively so I am not understanding what you mean. Are you saying that I should do the ddrescue as soon as possible
[04:15] <holstein> xpistos: no.. im saying, specificallly.. when you power that drive up, be ready to image..
[04:16] <xpistos> ok
[04:16] <holstein> xpistos: if you want to test on other hardware to learn, do so..
[04:16] <xpistos> understood.
[04:16] <xpistos> I think I will pull the drive out now, do a few tests and then come back to this later when I am a bit calmer
[04:16] <xpistos> holstein: Thank you for your help and patience
[04:17] <holstein> xpistos: good idea.. and good luck.. i know its frustrating..
[04:17] <xpistos> The worst part is I didn't realize I set the family movies and pictures to backup to that drive.
[04:17] <xpistos> I though I had it to a family drive
[04:18] <holstein> xpistos: dont lose hope yet. just take your time.. set up a practice scenario
[04:18]  * Bsims passes xpistos the bottle of adult beverage
[04:18] <ltdanno> lol yum
[04:18] <xpistos> Thanks Bsims!
[04:18] <xpistos> holstein: Is there a time that you are regularly on irc?
[04:19] <holstein> xpistos: not a typical thing.. im just off today. you can ping my anytime though.. or pm..
[04:19] <xpistos> thanks .. A LOT!
[04:20] <xpistos> holstein: OH, does the target drive have to empty? Will I lose data on the target?
[04:21] <holstein> xpistos: i would expect to lose the data on the target.. i would want it to be empty
[04:22] <xpistos> ok, then it will take me a bit longer. Let me go pull the suspect drive from the tower now just in case
[04:22] <xpistos> holstein: thanks again.
[04:25] <oliver__> If nobody can help me, just say so.
[04:26] <holstein> oliver__: i dont see your question..
[04:27] <xpistos> holstein: LOL. I have a few flash drives lying around I can try it with
[04:27] <oliver__> I posted 10 min ago
[04:27] <holstein> oliver__: whats your question?
[04:28] <holstein> xpistos: it wouldnt hurt... save some videos and pic.. format the drive, and try and recover the data..
[04:28] <oliver__> Saving the mouse speed settings
[04:29] <oliver__> I found this "xset m 1/2 4" and it seems to be just fine, but when I quit the terminal it goes back to default.
[04:29] <holstein> oliver__: i would address that in an xorg.conf probably
[04:29] <holstein> oliver__: you can always just set that command to run at boot, as well. thats pretty easy
[04:30] <superbob> hi all, im trying to confirm openssl 1.0.1c-4ubuntu8.2 has covered off CVE-2014-0224, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[04:30] <oliver__> it sure is, but can't i save the settings so it becomes default?
[04:31] <oliver__> I don't want to set the mouse speed settings everytime I log in, unless I have to.
[04:32] <holstein> oliver__: you can have the command run at boot..
[04:32] <holstein> oliver__: for all intents and purposes, you will get persistent settings.. its a win win..
[04:32] <loa> oliver__, gnome-session-properties
[04:33] <oliver__> I just installed a linux operating system(ubuntu) for the first time!
[04:33] <xpistos> holstein: should I format the two flash drives to ext4 or it doesn't matter
[04:33] <oliver__> Nice, ty, i will try
[04:33] <mars__> oliver__ gnaa?
[04:34] <holstein> xpistos: do what  the other is.. but, im saying to format *after* putting the data on, so that its effectively broken.. and try and recover the data after the format
[04:34] <mars__> How trust worthy is LUKS
[04:34] <mars__> Better then older truecrypt versions?
[04:35] <xpistos> holstein: the drive in my box is ext4 so I will format both of these to match then go through the test just a short one for tonight
[04:35] <holstein> xpistos: sounds great
[04:35] <oliver__> truecrypt isn't safe to use more, is it?
[04:35] <mars__> The developer responded in an email saying he just cant be asked to do it.
[04:35] <oliver__> ok what do I do after typing "gnome-session-properties"?
[04:35] <mars__> And the audit that was performed recently, said everything wa sgood
[04:35] <mars__> And the audit that was performed recently, said everything was good
[04:36] <Boohbah> oliver__: do a little dance
[04:36] <oliver__> done
[04:36] <oliver__> now what?
[04:37] <rsw> gnome-session-properties is for configuring startup services, right?
[04:37] <rsw> stuff that typically runs in the background / notification area
[04:38] <loa> oliver__, add your command there
[04:39] <rsw> well oliver__ i'd guess you click "add" and put your command in, name it and comment it in the way you like best
[04:39] <rsw> pretty much the only relevant field is "command"
[04:39] <fallore> Jordan_U, are you here?
[04:39] <oliver__> ty, i put "xset m 1/2 4"
[04:39] <oliver__> so is the setting saved now?
[04:41] <rsw> if you clicked the "add" button on the dialog you entered the command in, and see it in the list of the main gnome-session-properties screen
[04:42] <oliver__> where is the "add" button?
[04:42] <rsw> mine's got the dropbox tray icon and a network connection tool in it
[04:42] <rsw> it should have a green plus sign on it, right?
[04:43] <superbob> ubottu: that doesnt cover the question AFAIK, ubuntu wrap up minor releases into their own minor releases (terminology dubious)
[04:43] <superbob> ubottu:
[04:43] <superbob> pah!
[04:43] <oliver__> you mean in the terminal?
[04:44] <rsw> nah, in gnome-session-properties
[04:44] <rsw> it might say
[04:44] <rsw> "save" on yours.  excuse the accidental carriage return
[04:45] <oliver__> yeah, i went to "gnome-session-properties" then put the command.
[04:45] <oliver__> Theres no "add" or "save"
[04:45] <rsw> http://tinyurl.com/gnomesp   this is a screenshot
[04:45] <tortib> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to set iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.x.x/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE in my /etc/iptables.rules config however when I use iptables-restore it says it cannot use the -t nat rule.  Why is that?
[04:46] <tortib> I could use /etc/rc.local I suppose but I would rather use /etc/iptables.rules
[04:46] <oliver__> you mean in the system settings or in the terminal?
[04:46] <fallore> I've got a question. I installed 14.04 earlier today, and when I boot it shows me the splash logo (or at least I think, the Ubuntu logo with the dots underneath) and then goes to a black screen. When I go into advanced options and boot to recovery mode, selecting resume in the menu, everything seems to work fine. Does anyone what I can do to make it boot properly outside of recovery mode?
[04:47] <rsw> im running an older version of ubuntu (12.04) and it looks different from that to me, and depending on the version you're running it might appear slightly different
[04:48] <rsw> its sufficient to say, if you exit gnome-session-properties and reopen it, and your entry is still in there, it prolly works
[04:48] <oliver__> yeah, but I might have the same conky start up, right?
[04:48] <oliver__> Thanks rsw
[04:49] <tortib> oh I see what I did wrong.
[04:49] <tortib> nm :)
[04:50] <oliver__> I think I found it. "Startup Applications Preferences"
[04:50] <oliver__> I see what you mean by "add" now, thanks
[04:51] <rsw> youre welcome
[04:53] <oliver__> ok, I will try and reboot and see if it runs the command at boot, see you
[04:58] <oliver__> It worked, thanks again rsw :)
[05:00] <Bashing-om> fallore: That sounds like there is no graphics driver loaded. What results if you boot from the grub boot menu with the "nomodeset" boot parameter ?
[05:01] <fallore> Bashing-om, I'm not sure how to do that
[05:01] <cowabunga> hi i need help. Can anybody create a patched sisimedia driver for ubuntu? Linux has opensource sis driver, but i borrowed from mageia...
[05:02] <Ad> Hi. how to config pfsense to allow internet using 3G modem
[05:02] <Bashing-om> fallore: Small steps gets there. When you boot, do you boot to the grub boot menu ? following advise follows.
[05:03] <Ad> Hi. how to config pfsense to allow internet using 3G modem
[05:04] <cartmanius> hello
[05:05] <Ad> Hi. how to config pfsense to allow internet using 3G modem
[05:05] <fallore> Bashing-om, i have to hold shift to get to the grub boot menu
[05:06] <fallore> sry i had to afk for a minute
[05:06] <bazhang> ad try ##pfsense
[05:07] <Ad> :bazhang , i try it but no one answer !!!!
[05:07] <bazhang> ad so be patient
[05:07] <Ad> :)
[05:10] <Bashing-om> fallore: True to hold shift with a single OS installed. At that grub menu with the top enty highlighted, 'e' key for edit mode -> boot options screen; arrow down and across to the terms "quiet splash" and add the term "nomodeset" - without the quotes - and key combo ctl+x to continue the boot process. Do you now boot to the GUI login -> desktop . Degraded graphics at this point is OK.
[05:18] <xpistos> holstein: are you still around?
[05:20] <fallore> Bashing-om, i don't see quiet splash anywhere i press e. earlier another user here had me edit a file and remove "quiet splash" from somewhere, but i'm no longer sure where exactly. could this change what i'd be looking for?
[05:20] <fallore> if i press *
[05:21] <histo> xpistos: you trying to recover data still?
[05:22] <xpistos> histo: I have the problem drive removed from the computer and am testing the ddresuce to learn how to use it
[05:22] <xpistos> histo: I was able to create an image from one disk to another and now I am trying to recover the image so I understand how it is supposed to wor
[05:23] <Bashing-om> fallore: This change will not persist through a reboot. If when you have the enty for ubuntu highlighted in the boot menu and press the 'e' key you do not change screens and in that alternate scrren is the linux boot line that in a default desktop install will have the terms quiet splash. you do not see thios line ?
[05:23] <Bashing-om> entry/enty*
[05:23] <histo> xpistos: did it finish creating the image?
[05:24] <xpistos> histo: yes. It was just a 3.5 gb flashdrive with some data on it
[05:24] <fallore> yes, i pressed e with ubuntu selected at the grub menu, and it took me to a text editor, but i don't see the lines quiet splash anywhere
[05:24] <xpistos> histo: the command I used was ddrescue -r 3 -S /dev/sdc1 image log
[05:24] <fallore> Bashing-om*
[05:25] <xpistos> now i just need to figure out how to restore the 'image' to a new location, drive etc
[05:26] <histo> xpistos: ddrescue image /dev/of/new/location
[05:26] <histo> xpistos: or you can just mount the image and copy the data out
[05:26] <xpistos> not sure how to mount the image?
[05:26] <xpistos> do i just do it like any other drive ?
[05:27] <histo> xpistos: fdisk -l image   to get the offset of the partitions
[05:27] <Bashing-om> fallore: Maybe you edited the file "/etc/default/grub ?? .. looking for a line similar to this presently "linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-24-generic root=UUID=dbd69ed2-530c-4409-8f5a-a3f1ea41fc67 ro quiet splash $vt_handoff" .
[05:28] <histo> xpistos: then mount -o loop,ro,offset=xxxx image /some/mountpoint
[05:28] <fallore> yes, that's the file i edited. i removed where it had quiet splash and it was left blank. i got disconnected from my internet before i could follow through on his instructions, i think we were just eliminating a possibility at that point
[05:28] <histo> xpistos: or you can just dd out the image to a device and get the files
[05:28] <fallore> i have a line similar to that, Bashing-om, but without quiet splash of course
[05:28] <xpistos> what is the offset?
[05:29] <histo> xpistos: the start of the partition on the device.
[05:30] <xpistos> histo: http://pastebin.com/48wtQ8B9
[05:30] <Bashing-om> fallore: OK, looking good then. After 'ro' add the term nomodeset. key combo ctl+x .
[05:30] <xpistos> histo: there is the output of the fdisk
[05:30] <sadpuppy> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xiaopanos/
[05:31] <sadpuppy> replaces backtrack or kali
[05:31] <xpistos> histo: would '0x6f20736b' be the offset?
[05:31] <bazhang> sadpuppy, thats offtopic here
[05:32] <histo> xpistos: no did this drive contain multiple partitions?
[05:32] <xpistos> no
[05:32] <xpistos> neither will the problem drive
[05:33] <histo> xpistos: parted print image1
[05:33] <histo> xpistos: does it show the same funky table with 4 partitions?
[05:33] <sadpuppy> linux  is off topic
[05:34] <oliver__> If I want the mouse to move faster using this command: "xset m 1/2 4" what do I change in the command?
[05:34] <xpistos> image1p1-image1p4
[05:34] <sadpuppy> odd
[05:34] <histo> xpistos: nvm i just read in scroll back that you imaged partition 1 on the drive.  so just mount -o loop,or image1 /to/some/directory
[05:35] <bazhang> sadpuppy, this is ubuntu support only, not chat about kali or something else. try #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat
[05:35] <celroc> sadpuppy: Well, this actually a channel specifically suited for Ubuntu linux instead of linux in general.  I believe the linux channel is ##linux
[05:35] <histo> xpistos: change my loop,or to loop,ro   so it will be mounted as a loop device with read only option
[05:36] <xpistos> it didn't lkike something
[05:36] <xpistos> http://pastebin.com/LrgNXpnN
[05:37] <Ben64> xpistos: no space before ro
[05:37] <xpistos> ok
[05:38] <xpistos> Nice!
[05:38] <e^0> which is the way to update ubuntu server ? apt-get update and than apt-get upgrade ?
[05:38] <xpistos> so now I know I can hopefully image the drive, then mount the image and copy files out of it
[05:39] <bazhang> e^0, same as any version, yes, but with sudo
[05:39] <Ben64> xpistos: if it is mountable, sure
[05:39] <xangua> e^0 that's the way to update and install security updates yes
[05:39] <xpistos> Ben64: Here's hoping when i get to that point.
[05:39] <e^0> OK :)
[05:39] <histo> xpistos: yeap. if you have issues with the drive you are working on like say the filesystem gets trashed you can try carving the image for files etc... either way the first step is creating a good image.
[05:39] <celroc> e^0: You may need to run "sudo apt-get get dist-upgrade" too to get new kernel updates and things
[05:39] <xpistos> Now I am going to format the test drive and then try and create the image
[05:40] <histo> xpistos: do you suspect mechanical issues?
[05:40] <e^0> do i need to log into root and do the updates too ?
[05:40] <histo> e^0: use sudo
[05:40] <bazhang> e^0, just sudo
[05:40] <histo> !root | e^0
[05:40] <xpistos> histo: the drive is a little more than three years old and the rest of the box seems to be running okay
[05:40] <LuiX> hello there, i'm trying to get some help regarding some boot issues. here's my pastebin on my last boot repair run: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7698617/. The problem is that i cannot properly boot windows because I cycle between "bootmgr" is missing (after running a win7 USB) and "0000xe" error (after a boot repair run)
[05:40] <celroc> e^0: Sorry, "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"  I meant.  Had one too many "get"s in there before
[05:41] <histo> xpistos: just curious as to why you are using ddrescue instead of dd?  typically you see ddrescue used if there are bad sectors etc...
[05:41] <xpistos> histo: oh the drive will not mount
[05:41] <Ben64> histo: because the drive is failing and dd doesn't resume and stuff
[05:41] <e^0> thank you guys for the info :)
[05:41] <histo> xpistos: k just making sure.
[05:41] <xpistos> histo: that is about right
[05:41] <histo> xpistos: you may want to consider imaging the drive and not the partition
[05:42] <jak2000> is possible know where a domain was registered? unifrut.com.mx (nic mexico or where?)  thanks
[05:42] <xpistos> when I run the ddrescue, I will use the /dev/sdd that will get the entire drive if I am correct
[05:42] <bazhang> try ##networking jak2000
[05:42] <histo> xpistos: yes you are correct. Here is  a page that explains mounting after you do that. http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux
[05:43] <xpistos> histo: It will be my new bible!
[05:43] <celroc> LuiX: Will it still boot into Linux?
[05:43] <xpistos> histo: Thanks alot!
[05:43] <xpistos> Ben64: thanks to you as well ... again.
[05:43] <histo> xpistos: basically if you image the whole drive you get all the bits. The partitions do not start at the begining of the disk so you have to use an offset to mount the partitions.
[05:44] <histo> xpistos: np anytime.  the reason your command didn't work above is that you had a space between loop and ro i believe.
[05:44] <LuiX> celroc, just after the boot repair from a liveCD, i can normally boot the linux partitions
[05:44] <xpistos> I fat fingered that
[05:45] <xpistos> if the drive dies in the middle of the image, will I get anything?
[05:45] <LuiX> celroc, but when selecting the windows from the grub menu, it gets another error, the "0000xce"
[05:46] <xpistos> here is a really dumb question. how do i unmount the image now when I am done?
[05:46] <celroc> LuiX: If you can get back into Ubuntu, you may want to try running "sudo grub install /dev/sda" (assuming you only have one disk) and then "sudo update grub" in a terminal.  This will sort of refresh the bootloader
[05:47] <xpistos> umount /mount location
[05:47] <LuiX> celroc, it seems like there's a problem betweem bcd and the system reserved boot partition (sda1 in the pastebin  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7698617/)
[05:47] <celroc> LuiX: I apologize, "sudo update-grub" with a hyphen.  I can't seem to type tonight
[05:48] <Bashing-om> fallore: How are you doing ? are you stuck ?
[05:49] <LuiX> celroc, what if i'm running from a livecd right now?
[05:49] <celroc> LuiX: I'm sorry, I'm actually confused, I think.  Do you know if you're using grub as your bootloader?
[05:51] <celroc> LuiX: It's definitely doable from the liveCD.  The guide here shows the basic procedure: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd but we might need to deviate from the examples a little because your partition numbers might be different from the examples
[05:53] <LuiX> celroc, i only now that after i run boot-repair from the livecd I reset and i have all the OSes, but the windows option gets to a windows failure screen that says "the boot selection failed because device is inaccessible".
[05:54] <celroc> LuiX: Huh.  Strange...  Is that after running update-grub ?
[05:55] <LuiX> celroc, because of that, i ran a windows USB and followed the instructions from a webpage that mannually repairs the issue
[05:56] <histo> xpistos: umount /mount/directory
[05:56] <LuiX> celroc, after running the windows usb i get the "BOOTMGR missing", which gets me to the starting point (having to run boot-repair)
[05:56] <xpistos> histo: thanks!
[05:56] <xpistos> now on to test two
[05:57] <LuiX> celroc, another detail. the origin of the windows error was that i tried to repair the boot with another livecd
[05:57] <celroc> LuiX: Hmm, alright... well, the first thing that's usually recommended for these kinds of things is reloading GRUB.  If you can boot into Ubuntu still, please try "sudo grub install /dev/sda" and "sudo update-grub"
[05:58] <e^0> what does this mean, when i boot into my ubuntu server it says " there is 1 zombie process "
[05:58] <LuiX> celroc, i think the boot repair does exactly that
[05:59] <LuiX> celroc, but i'll follow the instructions on the webpage that you sent anyways
[06:00] <LuiX> celroc, but my suspicions are that this is not a grub problem but the windows boot manager
[06:00] <ki7mt> e^0, a process that cannot be killed, you can't kill the dead, aka zombie process.
[06:00] <e^0> ki7mt: ok :)
[06:00] <celroc> LuiX: Oh... I see.  If that's the case, then I'm afraid that I don't have any experience fixing broken Windows boot managers.  I'm not sure I can help
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[06:02] <LuiX> celroc, from reading the http://paste.ubuntu.com/7698617/, would you say that the problem is that grub is not installed in the correct partition?
[06:03] <celroc> LuiX: Grub by default doesn't install itself to a partition as far as I'm aware.  It should attempt to install itself to the MBR of the hard disk unless otherwise specified
[06:04] <ki7mt> LuiX, Check out an app called EasyBCD, works pretty well, but you need to get into WinDoze first to install it, or have an EasyBSD recovery CD.
[06:04] <ki7mt> .. EasyBCD .. sri
[06:06] <Johnn514> rop
[06:06] <Johnn514> oops
[06:06] <Johnn514> hello
[06:08] <LuiX> ki7mt, and with that recovery cd, what is the general strategy?
[06:09] <ki7mt> LuiX, ya fix the Windows MBR, and use EasyBCD to dual / muli boot whatever ya need.
[06:11] <ki7mt> LuiX, So when the box boots, rather than seeing the Grub menu initially, it's the EEasyBCD menu. Selecting Linus or whatever you call it sends you to Grub wehre you can control multiple Linux installs.
[06:12] <ki7mt> Vista is particularly painful to deal with if Grub2 is the boot loader. Win7/8 not as bad, but on some machines, still painful.
[06:13] <LuiX> ki7mt, so from that step onward, i'll have those two steps every time I boot?
[06:14] <ki7mt> LuiX, 1 for Windows, 1 for all your Linux. Instead of auto-booting into a particular image, you get the selection menu.
[06:15] <LuiX> ki7mt, but first the easybcd and then grub?
[06:15] <ki7mt> LuiX, So for example,. I ahve one box with Windows, and like 6 distro's can't recall exactly, if I select Linux, Grub pops up and says , ok, which Linux you want.
[06:16] <ki7mt> LuiX, Yes, when the box boots, your presented with the EasyBCD Menu, If I select Windows, it boots straight in, if Linux, presents you with the Linux Boot Options, Memtest, recovery, all that stuff.
[06:17] <LuiX> ki7mt, i see. I'm primarily a linux user, and i'm not sure if it's an elegant solution. there must be a way to reconcile grub and windows.
[06:17] <LuiX> ki7mt, what i mean is that i've always worked just with grub and it worked ok
[06:18] <ki7mt> LuiX, I am too, but on that box, when I tried to dual box it, Windows crashed, and that was the only way out.
[06:18] <ki7mt> .. dual boot it .. ..
[06:18] <Ben64> LuiX: then continue to use grub?
[06:18] <Beldar> LuiX, I missed your issue, but using easybcd is just more muddling of the boot, would you be willing to state the issue again and run a boot diagnostic script?
[06:19] <LuiX> thanks ki7mt. Beldar, heres a pastebin of a boot repair run http://paste.ubuntu.com/7698617/
[06:19] <ki7mt> Grub doesn't wok on all Windows installs that a fact, so it's not muddling.
[06:20] <Ben64> LuiX: so you're not even on ubuntu...
[06:20] <ki7mt> LuiX, That's all I ahd to offer, was an option.
[06:21] <LuiX> Ben64, what do you mean?
[06:21] <Ben64> LuiX: this is #ubuntu, for ubuntu support. you're not running ubuntu
[06:22] <Beldar> LuiX, Not a supported OS as noticed, but the bootrepair should fix this unless windows is corrupted, I would run a chkdsk /r on windows from a recovery terminal if needed.
[06:22] <LuiX> Ben64, i thought that running elementaryOS was still part of the family. anyways this could apply to any distro
[06:23] <Ben64> LuiX: only canonical ubuntu releases are supported here
[06:23] <Beldar> LuiX, OR a rebuild of the bcd in windows easily done.
[06:23] <Beldar> and or*
[06:25] <LuiX> Beldar, would it suffice to know that the problem started when i tried to move one partition to another to install ubuntu (sda7 on the pastebin)? you'll have to trust me with that one.
[06:26] <Beldar> LuiX, Are you registered with freenode we could do this in ##linux
[06:26] <LuiX> i am!
[06:26] <LuiX> i'll join there, then
[06:27] <JoshH99> Hey everyone, I'm trying to set up multiple php5-fpm pools as per http://bit.ly/1o1NxYd section 3. I've created the pool.d/domain.conf file, but fpm does not create the socket within the directory I've created
[06:28] <JoshH99> correction: section 3.1 actually
[06:28] <CodeFormer> which VM is good with Ubuntu 12.0.4 LTS
[06:28] <somsip> CodeFormer: virtualbox is free
[06:29] <commander_> i was writing a control file for my deb package and am getting this error while packing it : first block lacks a source field
[06:30] <commander_> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: syntax error in debian/control at line 12: first block lacks a source field ---- this is the complete error am getting anyone know what "block lacks a source field " mean
[06:30] <CodeFormer> somsip: ok, Thanks ! anything else?
[06:31] <celroc> CodeFormer: I think VMWare Player is free for Linux.  I may have the name wrong....
[06:33] <CodeFormer> anything about KVM ?
[06:33] <cyborg_> hello is anyone there>?
[06:33] <ki7mt> commander_, it would be helpful if you could patebin the control file, but do you have the debian folder inside the src dir? Allot times that error is a dir structure error
[06:34] <commander_> ki7mt: yes i have all
[06:34] <celroc> cyborg_: Hello.  Welcome to the Ubuntu support channel
[06:34] <cyborg_> thanks
[06:35] <cyborg_> celroc,  I have a issue that I am working on and really need some valid help with are you willing to have some fun
[06:36] <celroc> cyborg_: Please feel free to post your question.  If I don't know it, someone else here may be able to help.
[06:36] <ki7mt> commander_, ok, then pastebin the control file so we can have a look at it.
[06:36] <commander_> http://pastebin.com/QzvZYHij
[06:37] <cyborg_> celroc, I have a usb device that i would like to assign drivers to to do more testing and configuring of the device and I am currently running Ubuntustudio 14.04 64bit
[06:37] <commander_> ki7mt: http://pastebin.com/QzvZYHij
[06:38] <commander_> ki7mt: i want create orig.tar.gz of my source how can i achieve that ?
[06:38] <cyborg_> really anyone that is familiar with hardware particularly USB Midi devices and Ubuntu
[06:39] <ki7mt> commander_, for one thing, you need a standard line in there, like: Standards-Version: 3.9.5 blah blah, then you should ahve your build deps after that.
[06:39] <commander_> ki7mt: and what about creating a tar file
[06:39] <celroc> cyborg_: I'm sorry, could you be a little more specific, please?  What type of USB device are you using, and what sort of tests would you like to perform?
[06:39] <commander_> ki7mt: debian tar file
[06:39] <ki7mt> The Hompage / Vcs stuff, Arch, Depends and then comments after that.
[06:40] <ki7mt> commander_, You should probably have a chat in #debian-mentors on OFTC .. or go back to the Debian manual and add in all the needed fields.
[06:41] <commander_> ki7mt: thannks :)
[06:42] <ki7mt> commander_, from what I can see, there's no build-deps, runtime deps, Standards line, Priority adn Arch lines, that's allot to be missing.
[06:42] <cyborg_> celroc, okay.  I have a Openlabs DBEAT (plz ggle it 2 c pic). I am attempting to run it under ubuntu studio and get the Midi controllers to work with UBSTUD14.04 64bit
[06:43] <commander_> i was not checking for deps i want create  debianized tar
[06:43] <djr013> I have a system-crashing ethernet driver issue with atl1c which has been present a few years now. Seems to happen after a megabyte or few transmits, at which point the entire system becomes unresponsive, usually with screen corruption, and no error in logs. How might I report this bug?
[06:44] <ki7mt> commander_, Understand, but have a proper debian.tar.xyz the control file needs to be correct, and you need to be ablt to build the package with like ppbuilder, pbuilder-dist sbuild etc.
[06:44] <JoshH99> Final attempt || Hey everyone, I'm trying to set up multiple php5-fpm pools as per http://bit.ly/1o1NxYd section 3.1 . I've created the pool.d/domain.conf file, but fpm does not create the socket within the directory I've created. any ideas as to why this may be?
[06:44] <celroc> cyborg_: Alright.  I'm afraid that I don't have any MIDI experience yet, but what issues are you running into while trying to do this?
[06:45] <oliver__> I just downloaded calibration profiles, where did it download to?
[06:45] <commander_> now the error is in line no. 14 again as my control file is like this : http://pastebin.com/zrRTnCjL
[06:45] <commander_> am building it with dpkg-buildpackage -S
[06:46] <commander_> ki7mt: now the error is in line no. 14 again as my control file is like this : http://pastebin.com/zrRTnCjL
[06:46] <commander_> ki7mt:  am building it with dpkg-buildpackage -S
[06:46] <ki7mt> commander_, All I get is "Spam Detection For Pastebin ID: zrRTnCjL" .. but in any case while is support, it's not really the right place for dev-packaging.
[06:46] <guest173> list
[06:46] <commander_> ki7mt: oh wait
[06:46] <cyborg_> celroc, I would like to bind the generic usb-midi driver to my device
[06:46] <ki7mt> commander_, Yes, I know how to build packages, I do lots of them :-)
[06:46] <commander_> ki7mt: http://pastebin.com/zrRTnCjL
[06:47] <commander_> ki7mt:  please teach me or provide a correct way please
[06:47] <ki7mt> commander_, 2sec look, no Priority line, no standards line.
[06:48] <ki7mt> commander_, I did, #debian-mentors is the right place for this topic.
[06:48] <commander_> my package got no dependencies so is it necessary to include depends ?
[06:48] <commander_> ki7mt: debian-mentors :You have been kicked from #debian-mentors by ChanServ (Invite only channel)
[06:49] <commander_> ki7mt: whats that ehy they kicked /
[06:49] <bazhang> commander_, its on OFTC
[06:49] <ki7mt> commander_, Not on Freenode, it's on OFTC
[06:49] <celroc> cyborg_: Hmm, I would think that it would try to do that automatically upon plugging it in.
[06:49] <commander_> ki7mt: okay thanks friend :)
[06:50] <ki7mt> commander_, Your welcome.
[06:52] <cyborg_> celroc, it doesn't.  I think that the descriptors that they used in the firmware are not being recognized as "class compliant" to Ubuntu
[06:53] <CodeFormer> can't install KVM to my Ubuntu precise :(
[06:54] <celroc> cyborg_: I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that MIDI devices go beyond my area of expertise.  Perhaps someone else here knows a solution, though
[06:58] <helmut_> hi
[06:59] <innocent95> Morning!
[07:00] <innocent95> i lost my /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod
[07:00] <innocent95> How can i fix it
[07:00] <commander_> innocent95: where?
[07:00] <commander_> :P
[07:00] <innocent95> lol
[07:00] <commander_> lol
[07:00] <innocent95> in the bookcase
[07:01] <commander_> innocent95: lol :P
[07:01] <CodeFormer> running kvm shows problem.. manually shows these: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7699029/
[07:01] <celroc> innocent95: Can you run "sudo update-grub" in a terminal?  It might help fix it
[07:01] <innocent95> celroc, can i do that for a live usb
[07:02] <innocent95> because i am not able to boot
[07:02] <celroc> innocent95: Yes, but it takes a few more steps.  One moment, please, let me get a handy article that shows what the steps are
[07:02] <innocent95> grub rescue
[07:02] <celroc> innocent95: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[07:02] <mnms_> My file changes doesnt automatically refresh in programs like git gui git cola. I need to install some kind of file watcher ?
[07:03] <innocent95> alright
[07:05] <kloek> Is the intel 6205 bug introduced in 14.04 fixed yet? or does it still cause all kinds of problems with dropping connectivity and not working after hibernation?
[07:06] <innocent95> celroc, Do i need the step of other operating system, can i skip it because i have no other operating system
[07:07] <Mattias> I have a dual head setup and am trying to set color profiles for both screens with xcalib. Running i3 as wm. However, Xorg seems to make them look like one screen, so I can't target xcalib to only one screen. basically I only have display :0 and screen :0 at 3840x1200. How do I tell xorg to use them as 2 screens instead of 1?
[07:08] <celroc> innocent95: One moment, please.  I'll take a closer look at the article
[07:09] <celroc> innocent95: You'll want to start at the part that reads "Terminal Commands" and work your way down from there
[07:09] <commander_>  how do i switch off my AMD graphics as I am having quick battery drainage issue
[07:09] <Beldar> innocent95, Is this a dualboot?
[07:09] <innocent95> celroc, Yeah i see i did
[07:09] <innocent95> Beldar, No
[07:11] <Beldar> innocent95, use this app and save the popup of the bootinfo summary for diagnoses if not fixed. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[07:11] <innocent95> celroc, are you sure about /mnt/dev
[07:11] <innocent95> it doesnt exist
[07:12] <pothan100> ?
[07:12] <pothan100> #pi
[07:12] <pothan100> hey guys
[07:12] <pothan100> is there a chanel about rasberryPI ?
[07:13] <celroc> innocent95: Ah, that might mean that there was an error in the command used right before that one.  Can you list the command that you used, please?
[07:13] <somsip> pothan100: #raspberrypi
[07:13] <pothan100> thanks somsip
[07:14] <innocent95> celroc, sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt
[07:14] <innocent95> sda1
[07:14] <innocent95> sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev &&
[07:15] <innocent95> and etc etc
[07:15] <celroc> innocent95: Hmm, okay, that looks like it should be correct.  Can you run "ls /mnt" for me and see if you see a "dev" in the output anywhere?
[07:16] <innocent95> audit.txt  jpg
[07:16] <celroc> innocent95: That's all that it shows?
[07:16] <innocent95> celroc, no dev
[07:16] <innocent95> Yes
[07:17] <innocent95> These are foremost files
[07:18] <celroc> innocent95: Hmm, alright, I think what happened was that /dev/sda1 wasn't the partition we needed.  Please run "sudo umount /mnt" and then re-run the command with /dev/sda2
[07:18] <celroc> innocent95: By the way, do you know if you have multiple hard drives in your computer?
[07:19] <innocent95> celroc, I used the boot-repair
[07:19] <innocent95> celroc, No i have a single one
[07:19] <celroc> innocent95: Ah, okay, thanks.  Did the boot-repair solve it?
[07:20] <innocent95> let me try rebooting and see if it fixed
[07:20] <Beldar> innocent95, Do you have the bootinfo summary url from bootrepair?
[07:27] <innocent95> The same problem
[07:27] <Beldar> innocent95, Do you have the bootinfo summary url from bootrepair?
[07:28] <nicolas__> hi
[07:28] <innocent95> Oh i didnt save it
[07:28] <innocent95> my bad
[07:28] <innocent95> should reinstall it and try again
[07:28] <Beldar> innocent95, Run the boot repair again not the repair but just the bootinfo summary and paste the url here.
[07:28] <jnhghy> how can I make ubuntu 12.04 to use a proxy without the user option to switch off the setting?
[07:28] <rimad> hey guys, I have three monitors setup (2 monitors and laptop display). It works ok when extending desktop, however when I go from primary monitor to the other my primary monitor starts scrolling and mirroring other two displays. How do i get rid of this?
[07:29] <innocent95> alright
[07:29] <nicolas__> could anyboby help me to install flash player on chroe browser please ? I ride on ubuntu 14. Thank yu
[07:29] <Beldar> innocent95, Cool that summary takes out many questions and usually gets to the heart of the issue, killer script.
[07:30] <innocent95> hmm
[07:30] <innocent95> I thought the button says repair will fix ... P
[07:30] <Beldar> innocent95, No repair yet just the button below the bootinfo summary
[07:31] <Beldar> innocent95, No repair yet just the button below the; bootinfo summary better punctuation
[07:31] <innocent95> just a moment
[07:32] <Beldar> he closer anyway just hit the bootinfo summary button and paste the url
[07:32] <innocent95> I mean i am installing
[07:33] <Beldar> cool
[07:33] <innocent95> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7699142/
[07:34] <umar343> how do i connect my laptop on ubuntu  to pen drive ?
[07:35] <umar343> Commandter minal commands for detecting the usb device and mount the same please.
[07:35] <Beldar> innocent95, sda1 the OS is missing a bunch of stuff we should see mainly any grub boot info, what happened that got you here?
[07:36] <nicolas__> how install Flash Player on Chrome browser ? I have done this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash    BUT it doesn t work.
[07:36] <nicolas__> any suggest ? thx
[07:36] <innocent95> Beldar, I was trying to recover lost files yesterday, maybe this is the problem
[07:36] <umar343> i was not able to find any email id to send mail on the main website.
[07:37] <innocent95> i wrote on the hdd several times
[07:38] <Beldar> innocent95, Something has gone wrong, I would pull out what you want and do a new install, but that is me. You could try a chroot and run a grub install and update but I can't guarantee that to work.
[07:38] <ki7mt> nicolas__, for what it's worth, I use peperflash on Chromium, more info here: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/install-pepper-flash-player-for.html
[07:39] <innocent95> Beldar, what do you recommend
[07:39] <ki7mt> nicolas__, and for 14.04 see: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/pepper-flash-player-installer-for.html
[07:39] <nicolas__> ok ki7mt I check that Thank yu ;-))
[07:40] <ki7mt> nicolas__, Your Welcome
[07:40] <Beldar> innocent95, Because I have my setups as a dpkg list to load all installs, extra repos and keys I just fresh install myself. I think in your case a fresh install is probably best, than clone that sucker when all updated and setup/
[07:41] <Beldar> innocent95, If you had a clone to begin with al;l you would be doing is reloading it.
[07:42] <innocent95> Beldar, reloading it
[07:42] <innocent95> what do you mean
[07:43] <Beldar> innocent95, a clone can be put back in, I just used that term.
[07:44] <innocent95> Beldar, Reinstalling it ?
[07:44] <Beldar> innocent95, A clone is a mirror image an exact copy to just reload to a partition.
[07:44] <celroc> Oh... Okay, I see what Beldar is saying now
[07:45] <innocent95> I am not loosing anything, i think i have to reinstalling it again
[07:45] <innocent95> reinstall
[07:45] <rimad> hey guys, I have three monitors setup (2 monitors and laptop display). It works ok when extending desktop, however when I go from primary monitor to the other my primary monitor starts scrolling and mirroring other two displays. How do i get rid of this?
[07:46] <Tobias92> Dear Ubuntu gurus, my cronjob for updating spamassassin keeps failing, saying "could not find working mirror". Google is of no help, does anybody have a suggestion?
[07:46] <Beldar> innocent95, I like clones it takes me less than an hour to do a full reinstall and have the same OS, but about 10 min to pop the clone in instead.
[07:46] <celroc> innocent95: He means that right after you get your system re-installed and set up how you want it, you can make an exact copy ("image") of it and just revert back to that copy later
[07:47] <innocent95> oh
[07:47] <celroc> Beldar: Good suggestion
[07:47] <innocent95> after re-installing it
[07:47] <acetakwas> How do u do a cloan please?
[07:47] <Beldar> celroc, My ego does not allow me to ask for help, just insurance supporting that. ;)
[07:47] <jnhghy> in what file is the network settings -> proxy settings saved? I need to check it by command line if there is a way...
[07:48] <Beldar> acetakwas, Multiple ways but I use clonezilla ofyen.
[07:48] <innocent95> Beldar, Lol
[07:48] <Beldar> often*
[07:48]  * celroc blinks, not appearing to know what Beldar means
[07:49] <djr013> jnhghy: I'm not sure, but note that usually there are both system and user settings
[07:49] <djr013> so probably multiple places
[07:49] <Beldar> celroc, I'm to proud to ask for help would be the description of my dysfunctional self. ;)
[07:49] <celroc> innocent95: Yes, it would be after re-installing it.  Basically, once you have your system in a state that you want it in, you can sort of make a copy of it in that state and then revert to it quickly any time that you need
[07:50] <celroc> Beldar: Ah.  Um, okay
[07:50] <innocent95> Beldar, celroc When i started the install wizard it told me that this computer has no detected os, what the heck is going on (P)
[07:51] <Beldar> innocent95, Not sure here, you did the damage, and it is impossible to tell here what you did.
[07:52] <Beldar> innocent95, Just let the installer write the whole HD.
[07:52] <innocent95> Beldar, The whole HD
[07:52] <innocent95> why
[07:53] <celroc> innocent95: It will reformat your drive for you.  Of course, you will want to backup anything that might be important on the drive first
[07:53] <Beldar> innocent95, That is what you had, I assume that is what you want.
[07:54] <celroc> innocent95: Basically, what it'll do for you is clean off the Ubuntu install that broke, and then install it completely fresh
[07:56] <innocent95> Yes i know, I mean i want re-partition the hdd
[07:57] <innocent95> I want to break up this 40 gig into 13 and 27
[07:57] <Beldar> innocent95, Use the manual install than
[07:58] <Beldar> leave space for a swap
[07:58] <innocent95> Beldar, Yes i did, both are ext4 does this works
[07:58] <innocent95> Beldar, a swap, oh how much does it takes
[07:59] <Beldar> innocent95, equal or a few MB more that ram is the norm.
[07:59] <Beldar> than*
[07:59] <innocent95> 1GB
[07:59] <Beldar> innocent95, That your ram amount?
[08:00] <innocent95> Yess
[08:00] <innocent95> dont tell people
[08:00] <innocent95> (P)
[08:00] <ki7mt> May want to consider Lubuntu then :-)
[08:00] <innocent95> ki7mt, Xubuntu
[08:00] <Beldar> innocent95, I would do a swap about 1.25 gig to just be safe
[08:01] <ki7mt> Either or, just not Ubuntu :-)
[08:01] <innocent95> Yes
[08:01] <innocent95> Beldar, 1024.25
[08:01] <innocent95> what is the file system
[08:03] <celroc> innocent95: Linux uses mainly the ext4 filesystem (recommended nowadays).  You can use ext2/ext3 but I'm not sure what exactly would be the pros/cons
[08:04] <Beldar> innocent95, swap is the partiton type
[08:04] <Beldar> good amount
[08:04] <celroc> innocent95: Sorry.  I misunderstood your question.  Beldar got it right
[08:04] <innocent95> Yes i know, I mean other partitions
[08:05] <Beldar> innocent95, actually that would be 1280
[08:05] <Mercer> What software do I use to create a Ubuntu Live USB? Currently pn 13.10.
[08:05] <Mercer> *on
[08:05] <innocent95> Beldar, Exactly i was calculating that
[08:05] <Mercer> I used UNetBootIn, didn't work...
[08:05] <innocent95> Beldar, I believe you have a calculator (P)
[08:05] <Beldar> innocent95, Yes I do, lol.
[08:06] <Beldar> Mercer, What is the OS you are trying to load?
[08:06] <acetakwas> Mercer: you can use YUMI to create it on a thumb drive
[08:06] <Mercer> Beldar: Ubuntu 14.04
[08:07] <Beldar> Mercer, use the onboard startup disk craetor
[08:07] <Beldar> creator*
[08:08] <innocent95> Beldar, No root file system is defined
[08:08] <Beldar> innocent95, set the mount on the install partiton as /
[08:08] <innocent95> oh i got it
[08:08] <innocent95> Beldar, Before you say it, P
[08:09] <Beldar> innocent95, Good, job we like self sufficiency here. ;)
[08:09] <innocent95> Yeah i see
[08:09] <innocent95> Beldar, what about the other partition what mount point does it takes
[08:10] <Beldar> innocent95, I would not bother with it in the install you can make it with another install or with gparted.
[08:10] <McErroneous> lool..
[08:10] <innocent95> Alright
[08:11] <Beldar> innocent95, Are you separating out home?
[08:12] <innocent95> Beldar, You mean Linux home, or My home
[08:12] <Beldar> innocent95, Your home.
[08:12] <innocent95> Yes i am at home
[08:12] <Beldar> innocent95, Heh, the home of the OS, lol.
[08:12] <innocent95> lol
[08:12] <acetakwas> Lol...he means /home
[08:13] <innocent95> Yeah i see
[08:13] <lexus00z> lol
[08:13] <innocent95> but how separating out home
[08:13] <JovialHarp> hello!
[08:13] <Beldar> innocent95, I never have a seperate /home myself but it seems popular, but not really needed.
[08:13] <lexus00z> joviaharp:hello
[08:13] <acetakwas> JovialHarp: Hi!
[08:13] <innocent95> OOh
[08:14] <innocent95> It looks useful i was trying to do that
[08:14] <celroc> Beldar: I've personally found it very handy, but do agree that it's not necessary
[08:14] <innocent95> but ...
[08:14] <innocent95> can i do that later one
[08:14] <innocent95> on
[08:14] <JovialHarp> i was wondering, does anyone have a toshiba sattelite laptop running ubuntu?
[08:14] <Beldar> celroc, works in the right context, I just never upgrade the OS.
[08:15] <Beldar> JovialHarp, How about the actual issue?
[08:15] <acetakwas> I'm more interested in seperating out 'installed packages'. But how?
[08:15] <celroc> Beldar: Ah.  I use it mostly just in case I want to switch OSes or upgrade.  It makes it a bit easier ;-)
[08:15] <Beldar> true
[08:16] <JovialHarp> i can't seem to make my laptop change brightness, also i don't remember how to send a message to a specific person in irc anymore beldar
[08:16] <Beldar> acetakwas, You can make a dpkg list of apps installed if you like, and save configs
[08:16] <innocent95> Ubuntu + xfce = XUbuntu, what the heck is this
[08:16] <Beldar> JovialHarp tab complete for nicks, brightness I'm not sure.
[08:16] <celroc> innocent95: It would probably be easiest to do it now if you want a /home partition.  You can add it later, but it can be a little more complicated to do later
[08:17] <lexus00z> JovialHarp: doubleclick the nickname you want to send
[08:17] <acetakwas> JovialHarp: have you tried 'Settings' > 'Screen'?
[08:17] <innocent95> I mean if am using ubuntu and xfce in the same time why then, they are saying that xubuntu is faster than ubuntu
[08:17] <JovialHarp> Beldar: its interesting because the brightness settings work on my 12.04 livecd, but not on the operating system once it installed
[08:17] <Beldar> innocent95, xfce is the base of xubuntu together you have a somewhat xubuntu setup
[08:17] <innocent95> celroc, ok
[08:17] <celroc> innocent95: xubuntu is actually just the ubuntu core with the XFCE desktop environment
[08:18] <Beldar> JovialHarp, The brightness gui does not work or key prompts?
[08:18] <innocent95> celroc, That's it
[08:18] <JovialHarp> Beldar: neither, i've gone into the gui settings, and no matter what i do to the brightness bar, it doesn't change, and the keys dont do anything different either
[08:18] <innocent95> why didn't they say Ubuntu Core + xfce = XUbuntu it would be better
[08:19] <Beldar> JovialHarp, I would go to askubuntu and search with that computer model and brightness, probably info there.
[08:19] <acetakwas> Beldarl: how?
[08:19] <Beldar> acetakwas, how what?
[08:19] <JovialHarp> Beldar: I'll look, its been a pain in my side for awhile now, i feel like my corneas are being burnt lol
[08:20] <Beldar> innocent95, Ubuntu Core + xfce = XUbuntu is not precisely xubuntu is all.
[08:20] <acetakwas> Beldar: how to make the dpkg list.
[08:20] <innocent95> neither ubuntu + xfce = xubuntu
[08:21] <Beldar> acetakwas, Code:
[08:21] <Beldar> dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages
[08:21] <Beldar> And if you wanted to use the list to reinstall this software on a fresh ubuntu setup, Code: sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages ; sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[08:21] <innocent95> Beldar, huh, copying code, why didn't you just mentioned the page for him
[08:21] <Beldar> acetakwas, sorry make the list with this the first was the relaod. dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages
[08:22] <acetakwas> Beldar: okay, thanks
[08:22] <Beldar> innocent95, NOt from a page but my notes
[08:22] <innocent95> Oh
[08:22] <innocent95> okay
[08:23] <innocent95> Cloud-up your notes
[08:23] <Beldar> acetakwas, so in correct order save with dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages reload with sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages ; sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[08:23] <acetakwas> eNotes or paper Notes?
[08:23] <Beldar> sorry about that
[08:24] <acetakwas> Okay
[08:24] <Beldar> acetakwas, about 5 pages of libreooffice all kinds of stuff
[08:24] <Beldar> my brain is the size of a walnut I need a little help
[08:24] <innocent95> Thank you very much, see you after installation :)
[08:25] <acetakwas> Okay. Cool ;)
[08:25] <acetakwas> Lol 'see'
[08:28] <JovialHarp> well that was interesting, after my laptop went into suspend mode, it came back with an ugly messed up screen, wiht alot of messed up junk on the side, and the rest of it all black
[08:28] <aszen> Hello guys, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 on my Asus Zenbook, but the installer crashes after copying the files
[08:28] <aszen> any idea what could be wrong?
[08:29] <acetakwas> Aszen: from a live disk?
[08:29] <aszen> acetakwas: Installing it from an USB 3.0 stick (secure boot disabled)
[08:30] <aszen> when I reboot grub is there but promts me with a shell (grub shell or what ever the name of that thing is :))
[08:30] <acetakwas> Are u able to boot ubuntu fine?
[08:31] <aszen> yes
[08:31] <aszen> I boot up ubuntu (try ubuntu) and then launch the install wizard from the desktop ("Install Ubuntu")
[08:31] <acetakwas> Then did you do 'try ubuntu' first?
[08:31] <acetakwas> Okay
[08:32] <aszen> I've also tried it the other way round (install it directy without booting up from the stick)
[08:32] <aszen> no luck either
[08:32] <acetakwas> Are u doing it now...maybe we could walk-you-through
[08:32] <robynata> 8-)
[08:32] <aszen> acetakwas: that would be awesome yes, you have some minutes time?
[08:33] <acetakwas> Okay
[08:35] <aszen> 1st slide ("Welcome"): I choose English, 2nd slide ("Wireless") I choose "I don't want to connect to a wi-fi network righ now", 3rd slide I chose "install this third-party software".
[08:35] <acetakwas> Okay
[08:35] <aszen> on the slide "installation type" I choose "Erease disk and install ubuntu", as well as "Encrypt the new Ubuntu installation for security" and "Use LVM with the new Ubuntu installation"
[08:36] <n1n0> Hi. Would appreciate any help. Had this issue on 13.10 with the display manager where the system always went into the login loop (even after 14.04 installation).  Thought it was the display hardware issue (as i recently changed it), but when i plug the external monitor via vga, it's the same. Any reccomendations
[08:36] <n1n0> ?
[08:36] <Mercer> I created a Live USB with Startup Disk Creator, but still my Laptop won't detect the USB
[08:36] <acetakwas> Do you want to clenan ur entire HDD?
[08:36] <aszen> acetakwas: yes
[08:36] <aszen> (I hate win8 :P)
[08:36] <n1n0> ...it's the same on that other monitor (the black with stripes)
[08:36] <Mercer> I even tried with UNETBOOTIN and LiLi
[08:37] <acetakwas> Lol okay
[08:37] <n1n0> ...and am wondering could it be the hardware issue or another display manager bug?
[08:37] <Beldar> Mercer, "still my Laptop won't detect the USB" does this mean no boot or not seen in the bios?
[08:37] <aszen> acetakwas: now the installer ask me for the boot password (aka "Security key"). So I'm typing it in there... sec
[08:37] <acetakwas> There is a last option .. I think something something like 'specify manually
[08:38] <aszen> acetakwas: yes
[08:38] <Mercer> Beldar: Not seen in the BIOS
[08:38] <aszen> sec
[08:38] <Beldar> Mercer, You are sure the computer boots from a usb?
[08:38] <aszen> acetakwas: in the disk setup ("Installation type") I can choose "Something else" which will serve me a screen where I can devine the disk layout by myself
[08:38] <aszen> should I choose that one?
[08:39] <aszen> s/devine/define
[08:39] <acetakwas> Yes exactly
[08:39] <joystick> Hi need some help with snmp mib search path.
[08:39] <aszen> acetakwas: okey, I'll first choose "New partition Table" (in order to erease the current partition table / data)
[08:40] <joystick> googling not helping :)
[08:40] <acetakwas> Yes
[08:40] <acetakwas> Are there any partitions there currently?
[08:40] <aszen> yes the previous ubuntu installation that failed
[08:41] <aszen> sec
[08:41] <Mercer> Beldar: So there are 2 boot options... Boot Option #1 and #2. If I hit enter on one of them, it lists the available "media/drives" available. So I see my HDD and DVD Drive but I can't see the USB Drive there...
[08:41] <acetakwas> When you select that partition, is there an option to delete at the bottom of the window?
[08:41] <Beldar> Mercer, That does not answer the question.
[08:42] <aszen> acetakwas: /dev/mapper/blabla_ASUSOS1 -> efi (500 MB), /dev/mapper/blabla_ASUSOS2 ext2 (230MB), /dev/mapper/blabla_ASUSOS3 (500GB)
[08:42] <aszen> acetakwas: I can delete all these three yes
[08:42] <aszen> should I do that?
[08:42] <Mercer> Beldar: I suppose every Laptop can, its been only 4 months since I got it...
[08:42] <JovialHarp> Hah! well sort of Hah! the function keys now show that they're doing something, but the brightness still remains unchanged
[08:43] <acetakwas> Yes please
[08:43] <Beldar> Mercer, I will take that as a yes, and no many older computers do not boot from a usb. This a uefi bios
[08:43] <acetakwas> Then you can create the new partition table
[08:43] <Mercer> This is UEFI bios... But I have disabled it...
[08:44] <Mercer> Beldar ^
[08:44] <Beldar> Mercer, You can't as far as I know disable the bios.
[08:44] <Mercer> Beldar: I mean I have disabled the UEFI boot
[08:45] <aszen> acetakwas: ok, so after deleting these partitions I have: /dev/mapper/lsw_blabla_ASUS_OS with 500GB free space
[08:45] <Beldar> Mercer, Have you read the uefi wiki?
[08:45] <aszen> I click on it and choose "New Partition Table"
[08:45] <acetakwas> Yes
[08:45] <aszen> acetakwas: done
[08:45] <Mercer> Beldar: Not within the last month
[08:47] <Beldar> Mercer, I'm not really up on uefi, and every manufacturer has voodoed their own version, so this if I could even help will go past my intent to crash in about 12 min, others will be better help.
[08:47] <amitprakash> How do I install ubuntu in UML mode?
[08:47] <acetakwas> Now you can select the only partition there and click the 'plus' sign at the bottom
[08:48] <aszen> acetakwas: done, what do I need? just /? boot? EFI? swap?
[08:48] <acetakwas>
[08:49] <Beldar> Mercer, I will leave you with these to use however. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295