[06:25] <xypron> For package efitools LP #1938582 I am looking for a sponsor.
[06:31] <xypron> For package libguestfs (1:1.44.1-1ubuntu8) LP #1940453 I am looking for a sponsor.
[10:02] <seb128> mwhudson, hey, did you have a chance to check the issue with golang-github-containers-buildah ? sorry to nag, it's blocking the libglib update which some other desktop fixes are waiting for
[14:10] <xnox> cjwatson:  the ItzSwirlz issues are available somewhere to read? bug reports or emails? i'm curious what issues they are facing.
[14:17] <jawn-smith> Is any core dev available for a test trigger? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=amd64&package=sshuttle&trigger=openssh/1%3A8.4p1-6ubuntu1
[14:17] <jawn-smith> Please and thank you
[14:17] <seb128> jamesh, triggered
[14:17] <ginggs> jawn-smith: .
[14:17] <seb128> jawn-smith, ^
[14:17] <seb128> shrug
[14:17] <jawn-smith> Thanks!
[14:18] <seb128> autopkgtest doesn't make it easy to avoid such conflicts :/
[14:18] <jawn-smith> At least there's not much in the queue right now
[14:44] <laney> be lovely if someone contributed an improvement there
[14:45] <laney> I'd even review it, and THAT is a treat you don't want to miss out on
[14:59] <ginggs> wasn't tsimonq2 looking at something like that?
[15:01] <laney> yeah there's a branch somewhere iirc
[15:37] <jawn-smith> Can any core dev also try this test? I expect the new golang to have resolved the issue:
[15:37] <jawn-smith> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=amd64&package=golang-github-containers-buildah&trigger=glib2.0/2.68.4-1
[16:12] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: done
[17:56] <jawn-smith> Thanks bdmurray!
[18:40] <jawn-smith> I messed up that test URL. It needed docker.io as a trigger as well or else it fails dependencies. That's my mistake
[18:40] <jawn-smith>  https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=amd64&package=golang-github-containers-buildah&trigger=glib2.0/2.68.4-1&trigger=docker.io/20.10.7-0ubuntu3
[18:47] <jawn-smith> dbungert: Have you been looking into failed snapd tests?
[18:48] <dbungert> jawn-smith: yup, at why the confiment might not match expectations
[18:50] <dbungert> the trigger set "glibc systemd openssh squashfs-tools golang-1.16" is almost viable but the confiement test fails.  The previous failures on snapd on ppc are one of (compile time crash, confinement test, packages fail to install)
[18:51] <jawn-smith> Interesting. If there's anything I can do to help let me know
[18:57] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: clicked
[18:58] <jawn-smith> Thanks!
[19:32] <jawn-smith> This should hopefully be my last request for test retries today, though it is a lot of them: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZssSBqMWjh/
[19:33] <jawn-smith> I originally requested those tests on amd64 only, and since they've passed I want to run the rest of the architectures
[19:37] <seb128> jawn-smith, oh, great, thanks for figuring out the docker.io update for golang-github-containers-buildah, I poked at the missing depends earlier this week but didn't understand why it was working before and that was new package needed
[19:37] <seb128> jawn-smith, retried
[19:37] <jawn-smith> thanks seb128!
[19:37] <seb128> np, thank you for the fixes!
[19:38] <seb128> mwhudson, ^ that's an unping for golang-github-containers-buildah I pinged about yesterday
[23:01] <mwhudson> oh good


[11:16] <artnay> kelemengabor: ping
[11:16] <kelemengabor> artnay: pong
[11:16] <artnay> kelemengabor: you assigned bug 1019172 for us (thanks for that)
[11:17] <artnay> kelemengabor: it seems like the actual variable (%s, which has a value "post-installation) isn't translatable
[11:17] <artnay> I wonder what else values it might have. quite problematic to translate such sentences
[11:20] <kelemengabor> no idea, sorry :(
[11:42] <artnay> kelemengabor: ok, thanks anyway. it's now bug 1038042
[11:52] <TLE> artnay: you might learn something dy downloading the source package and look for the strings in the source files (e.g with grep), but really the devs should comment on these sort of things
[12:02] <artnay> TLE: I did check their git - see http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=dpkg/dpkg.git;a=blob;f=src/script.c;h=c03441b390cee773cfd2dbf2bdf45bc9d99f5fe0;hb=HEAD#l180
[12:03] <artnay> afaik that only sets the actual string translatable, not the variable (which probably comes from http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=dpkg/dpkg.git;a=blob;f=src/script.c;h=c03441b390cee773cfd2dbf2bdf45bc9d99f5fe0;hb=HEAD#l231 )
[12:47] <TLE> artnay: ahh yeah, it would appear so


[00:59] <Zelouille> Hi. I can't put a wallpaper (background) in lxlauncher (lubuntu netbook interface). However, lxlauncher README file says : « Please put the images in /usr/share/lxlauncher/backround. LXLauncher will use those background images if available. »
[16:04] <jirido> Hi again! I looked at the ubuntu guide on how to ad programs to autostart and the tutorial i looked said to drag and drop new entrys from start menu, but it does not work so i guess there is an alternative way for lubuntu..
[16:04] <holstein> jirido: in lxe
[16:04] <holstein> lxde*
[16:05] <holstein> jirido: lubuntu *is* ubuntu. but the drag and drop guide you are reading is likely for gnome2 or unity
[16:05] <holstein> jirido: what are you trying to do?
[16:05] <jirido> just ad mumble to autostart
[16:06] <holstein> i use mumble, and i wouldnt, but heres what i do
[16:06] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[16:07] <jirido> ells people cant find and call me i think.. Thanks holstein ! all well to you
[16:07] <holstein> jirido: you shouldnt have to add murmur to autostart
[16:07] <holstein> jirido: you think what?
[16:08] <holstein> jirido: if mumbe is running, its running
[16:08] <holstein> its not for telephony really though
[16:08] <holstein> its not meant for "call me in the morning"
[16:09] <jirido> No? but how can people cal me up/ yes but i gonna use it for telephoning/ low latency good quality and can talk in group, private server, encrypted and so on
[16:09] <holstein> i dont think autostarting the mumble client will make it autoconnect
[16:10] <jirido> no?
[16:10] <holstein> jirido: sure, and you can use it for that, but its not meant for that
[16:10] <holstein> jirido: you autostart it, you still need to join a server
[16:10] <jirido> I know but im not wery normal :)
[16:10] <holstein> jirido: its got nothing to do with normal
[16:10] <holstein> jirido: or you
[16:11] <holstein> jirido: its a matter of expecting functionality of a tool that is not designed for that function
[16:11] <holstein> what i hear you saying is "im using mumble for calls, and i dont think people can call me"
[16:11] <holstein> jirido: the reason is, its not made for that.. you have to join servers, and maintain the connection
[16:11] <holstein> jirido: its not meant to replace skype
[16:12] <holstein> of course you can use it for "calls", but you should expect to work around the issues that using it not as its intended will bring about
[16:13] <jirido> well i understand it is werry good and fill up a lott if not all what i requireso .. then i try to fix the rest instead of going with skype or other/ yes ofcourse you are right.. thats why i wanted to start with autostart ;)
[16:13] <holstein> jirido: sure, but there is nothing to "fix"
[16:14] <holstein> jirido: its not "broken", its just not appropriate for the task
[16:14] <jirido> ok woraround
[16:14] <jirido> work around!
[16:14] <holstein> well, the workaround is to start it, and connect and hope the server maintains your connection
[16:14] <holstein> you cant do anything to keep the connection to the server
[16:14] <holstein> even if its your server, the folks coming in could drop
[16:15] <jirido> well i do not know this app yet but have got it recomended,, so u say it has no autoconnect?
[16:16] <holstein> jirido: what if the server is down?
[16:16] <holstein> jirido: what if you get a commandline string that tries to autoconnect?
[16:16] <holstein> jirido: it tries, and it doesnt report that its not connected...
[16:16] <jirido> thats an other problem, lets hope not :)
[16:16] <holstein> jirido: what do i suggest?
[16:16] <holstein> jirido: "hope" is not something i do with computers
[16:16] <holstein> jirido: i test, and report, and know
[16:17] <holstein> jirido: i use lxde.. lubntu, and mumble, and i know
[16:17] <holstein> you say you are having issues, im telling you why
[16:17] <holstein> jirido: i suggest, just start mumble, and see that the connect is up and working
[16:17] <holstein> jirido: you wont have any way of reconnecting if that server goes down, or your connection goes out or whatever
[16:18] <holstein> jirido: thats why its not telephony
[16:18] <holstein> jirido: its not made to me that "always on" way to contact you
[16:18] <holstein> jirido: its made for a lowlatency network for gaming or chat
[16:18] <holstein> jirido: nd it works great, but something like skype (or a free alternative) will be always on like you are looking for
[16:20] <jirido> yes but im not all you are and cant bee.. for an example im on linux becauce windows is not secure and not of intrest for code or so.. for me it is a must rather than an intresst and that makes the aproache to things different from many whom hangs on irc for a starter.. but i have chickens in the barn and a garden and have to fire with woods if i wana have it warm and so on.. its different for all/ i dont like skype!
[16:21] <holstein> jirido: skype or a free alternative
[16:21] <holstein> jirido: im not saying "use skype", im saying, use something made for telephony
[16:21] <holstein> Moewe: mumble is not
[16:22] <holstein> Moewe: sorry...
[16:22] <jirido> I would like something like skype then but have not found any with better propertys tham mumble
[16:22] <holstein> jirido: ^^ mumble is not
[16:22] <holstein> jirido: sure... then use it
[16:22] <holstein> but autostarting the app at boot wont "fix" anything
[16:22] <jirido> i gona try to whip that horse to behave
[16:22] <holstein> jirido: i would do as i suggested above... start it, see that it connects and check in on it
[16:22] <Moewe> np holstein
[16:22] <Myrtti> empathy + ekiga / google talk + google video chat
[16:22] <holstein> jirido: its not "misbehaving"
[16:23] <holstein> jirido: its not made for what you are trying to do
[16:23] <jirido> I gona try anyway.. or rather.. I am trying right here and right now :)
[16:24] <holstein> jirido: you dont have to try. you just use it, knowing the limitations
[16:24] <holstein> jirido: i use mumble regularly
[16:24] <holstein> i also use skypc, and gtalk, and i have looking into empathy and ekiga
[16:27] <jirido> But comman you have to emit that development comes from trying to expand functionality.. most of things in things "Not intended to.. and dont come and say now that that is only for programmers.. Its a soul property! and its good to have even if you dont know everything.. even mor nessesary the in fact..
[16:27] <holstein> jirido: sure, and mumble is open, if you would like to try and get a group and fork it or whatever
[16:27] <jirido> then in fact
[16:28] <holstein> jirido: but, there are thinks like Myrtti mentioned already.. open alternatives to skype
[16:28] <holstein> jirido: mumble is more of an open alternative to teamspeak
[16:28] <jirido> mumblephone2 super extra :)
[16:28] <holstein> jirido: sure.. you are not only welcome to do that, but encouraged
[16:29] <jirido> Im no gamer you know.. I would not dare/ thats good
[16:30] <holstein> jirido: ?
[16:30] <jirido> so i would only need to ad autoconect funktionality actually
[16:30] <holstein> jirido: sure, but to what server??
[16:30] <holstein> jirido: the server is the issue... its not made for telephony like that
[16:31] <jirido> Well i so easyly get in to things when i start so if i start gaming .. / why not it serves good now
[16:33] <jirido> i like to have speek hangout for me and my pals to be able to be on or to use to talk privately from if we wish
[16:34] <holstein> sure,, but there is "google hangout" actually designed for that
[16:34] <holstein> and mumble will work great for that
[16:34] <holstein> its the expecting the client to run as a background servive that might not work
[16:34] <holstein> service*
[16:34] <jirido> i dont like to tuch on coperate structure by default
[16:34] <holstein> jirido: sure and im *not* suggesting you do
[16:35] <holstein> jirido: i am merely offering suggestions for things that *exactly* meet your needs
[16:35] <holstein> jirido: you can choose to seek out, or developed more open solutions
[16:35] <holstein> jirido: a google hangout does do *exactly* what you are trying to do
[16:35] <holstein> jirido: looking at how it works and what it uses might help you determine what you need/want
[16:36] <holstein> jirido: i dont care if you ever use it, nor am i saying you should
[16:37] <jirido> so i like to have a private connection server , private conversation, a group "room" low latency, noise reduction, open source, good sound,, Tell me were would you recomend with this in thought? remember private connection server.
[16:38] <holstein> jirido: you can do that with mumble.. you just have to keep in mind, you are maintaining the server
[16:38] <holstein> so if the server is down, or doesnt connect, you wont connect
[16:39] <holstein> jirido: i would look at what google does with gtalk to address these concerns
[16:39] <holstein> what do i do?? i use what the other person uses
[16:39] <holstein> or, i use mumble, and i dont expect telophony functionality from it
[16:39] <holstein> i use it as its intended
[16:39] <jirido> yes but that problem always are there the only thing needed as i se it now after having talked with you is autoconnect
[16:39] <holstein> jirido: i dont think so
[16:40] <holstein> jirido: waht if you autoconnect? and it fails? what next?
[16:40] <jirido> what more then
[16:40] <holstein> jirido: does it go to another server?
[16:40] <holstein> what server? when and why? and now are you on a different server?
[16:40] <holstein> jirido: if autoconnet were "easy" or worked, it would likely be a feature
[16:40] <holstein> plus, you dont need it. you just start and connect
[16:41] <jirido> or try again and maybe after some tryes pops up saying sorry pal , out of luck today? server down
[16:41] <holstein> jirido: sure.. then what?
[16:41] <holstein> jirido: you are not autoconnected... and you cant recieve calls
[16:42] <holstein> you might as well just set it up each time and make sure its connected to the server you want to be on
[16:42] <holstein> thats what i do.. i make sure we are all connected
[16:42] <holstein> jirido: why not set up a vpn with your friends?
[16:42] <holstein> thats as open and secure as you choose it to be
[16:42] <jirido> yes but i like to autostart xchat pidgin and mumble../ then i go trying to fix what ever make the server downerver..
[16:42] <holstein> jirido: sure.. autostart it then
[16:43] <jirido> I want to be able to say.. Hey comean get this so we can speak free
[16:43] <holstein> jirido: i just dont think that will ever work as you want it to, and i would seek support for autostarting mumble with autoconnect with mumobe
[16:43] <holstein> jirido: sure, the vps is a free as mumble is
[16:43] <holstein> vpn*
[16:44] <holstein> its over your network, under your control
[16:44] <jirido> but it is more integrated and more serious if it gets hacked
[16:44] <holstein> jirido: no.. its not more "serious"
[16:44] <holstein> jirido: if anything, its less serious if it gets hacked
[16:44] <holstein> jirido: its over the network.. the same network
[16:45] <holstein> if you had an encrypted vpn setup, that would be arguably "better" and leave you more options
[16:45] <jirido> I dont like to hang out or offer or sugest something to friends or people i meet that i cant defend or protect that can become a risk
[16:46] <holstein> jirido: this has *nothing* to do with telephony
[16:46] <jirido> well im not to good to be true ;)
[16:46] <holstein> jirido: if folks want to play ont he internet, they take a risk
[16:46] <holstein> i would /join #mumble and ask about the mumble specific questions
[16:46] <TheLordOfTime> holstein:  correction: if folks want to do anything on the internet, they take a risk.
[16:46] <holstein> TheLordOfTime: true...
[16:46] <TheLordOfTime> just being on the internet makes you a potential target of drive-bys
[16:47] <TheLordOfTime> (just saying!)
[16:47] <holstein> jirido: i wouldnt assume that mumlbe traffic is secure
[16:47] <holstein> jirido: mumble is also not made for "secure conversations"
[16:47] <holstein> jirido: its made for fast, lowlatency gaming talk
[16:48] <jirido> well i feel that mumble is somewath risk free to recommend and easy to get on to.. and i did not aske mumble question but just for how to add a program to autostart list.. but have anyway enjoyed ore conversation :)
[16:48] <holstein> jirido: feel? its not
[16:48] <jirido> it's encrypted by default
[16:48] <holstein> jirido: its open, and not encrypted.. its not for secure conversations
[16:48] <holstein> jirido: sure, but for speed
[16:48] <holstein> jirido: not security
[16:49] <jirido> 128bit rsa?
[16:49] <holstein> jirido: you can, and should research that.. the compression and encryption is not for security
[16:49] <holstein> jirido: its not made to be safe.. its made to be fast
[16:50] <jirido> The voice channel carrying speech and positional audio is encrypted with OCB-AES 128 bit
[16:50] <jirido> says FAQ
[16:50] <holstein> jirido: its not designed for that either.. its not a "secure telephony" applications
[16:51] <holstein> jirido: all of the traffic is tailored for speed.. not security
[16:51] <jirido> so you mean that 128 bit is not secure
[16:52] <holstein> jirido: i mean just what i said.. mumble is not for secure telephony
[16:52] <jirido> The so-called control channel, which transports your chat messages and other non-time critical information, is encrypted with TLS using 256 bit AES-SHA.
[16:52] <holstein> jirido: if you trust is, go for it
[16:53] <jirido> Ok. Im a political figure here at home and i use usbmodem as im farout countryside and the lies are to long to give broadband
[16:55] <holstein> jirido: none of that is relevant. all that is relevant is assuming mumble secure for telephony
[16:55] <jirido> I like to be able to have a secure talk.. so what would you then sugest if one want low latency and no corporate touch. surely not google
[16:56] <holstein> jirido: i suggested the vpn already
[16:56] <holstein> jirido: i *never* suggested google or "corporate touch" for secure
[16:57] <holstein> jirido: i suggested looking at how google is implementing its services that you could emulate via vpn
[16:57] <holstein> jirido: to get secure talk over the internet, it really depends on what you are willing to compromise
[16:58] <holstein> i would not expect super low latency.. and i wouldnt use something designed for gaming
[16:58] <jirido> but if some one hack any of the mashines in the network it is totally unsecure and it would be complicated to get to work for all on all diferent mashines,
[16:58] <holstein> i would look at securing the connections via vpn, and then you can use whatever on the network as it is local... ekiga or whatever
[16:59] <jirido> sorry i wright slow and have to look at the keybord while wrighting
[16:59] <holstein> jirido: ?
[16:59] <jirido> vpn
[16:59] <holstein> jirido: correct. vpn
[16:59] <holstein> jirido: you cant just setup mumble and assume thats more secure
[16:59] <holstein> jirido: i mean,, you can.. but thats not the case
[17:00] <jirido> To complicated to ask people to participate i think.. firewalls and so on
[17:00] <holstein> jirido: sure.. secure *is* complicated
[17:00] <holstein> jirido: the reason mumble is easy is because its less secure
[17:01] <holstein> and arguably secure at all...
[17:01] <jirido> yes but if it is Q of a "Talk to me " software it could be simmpler than vnp
[17:01] <holstein> jirido: i wouldnt expect to have easy and secure
[17:02] <holstein> jirido: skype is easier that vpn, and you can get connected from machine to machine
[17:02] <jirido> well skype says it is!
[17:02] <holstein> says it is what?
[17:02] <jirido> well can one in groupe without going true their servers?
[17:03] <jirido> secure
[17:03] <holstein> jirido: i dont maintain skype
[17:03] <holstein> jirido: i dont expect mumble to be secure
[17:03] <jirido> well havt said you do or what?
[17:03] <holstein> jirido: i dont expect secure unless i have an ecrypted tunnel
[17:03] <holstein> jirido: i dont exepect secure over the internect
[17:03] <holstein> internet*
[17:04] <jirido> so there is no secure opensource talk and chat that is easy to setup
[17:04] <jirido> Thats sad
[17:04] <holstein> if your isp, or the other persons isp logged the traffic, and its encrypted, what would it take for someone to open that?
[17:04] <holstein> jirido: ?
[17:04] <holstein> jirido: this has *nothing* to do with opensource
[17:04] <jirido> ofcourse it has
[17:04] <holstein> jirido: this is the internet... using the internet is a risk
[17:05] <holstein> jirido: no.. its has options to help
[17:05] <jirido> sure but there is eforts to overcome that
[17:05] <holstein> jirido: yes.. a vpn.. openvpn is opensource
[17:05] <holstein> ssh is opensource
[17:05] <jirido> ssh is easy and fairly secure
[17:06] <holstein> jirido: then use it, if it makes you feel safe
[17:06] <jirido> i do
[17:06] <jirido> but not for talking obviously :)
[17:06] <holstein> jirido: then, i would chat, text, via ssh..
[17:07] <holstein> jirido: if you want secure telophony, you will have to decide what you are willing to compromise for security vs functionality, just as the others do
[17:07] <holstein> just as skype has and gtalk... and whoever else
[17:07] <jirido> thats what i mean with sad
[17:07] <holstein> jirido: ?
[17:08] <holstein> jirido: run your own skype
[17:08] <holstein> jirido: run your own ekiga over a secure tunnel
[17:08] <holstein> jirido: run *anything* over ssh or vpn
[17:08] <jirido> sad to not be able 2013 to talk with your buddys safe and easy
[17:08] <holstein> jirido: the internet is not designe to provide you that
[17:09] <holstein> jirido: its designed to connect you..
[17:10] <holstein> jirido: if an isp is logging your traffic, what would it take to crack it? an amazon array? would it take a week? how much would it cost? is it worth it?
[17:11] <holstein> jirido: if you are traveling over the internet, and its worth it to someone to have your information, then they will likely find a way
[17:11] <holstein> jirido: this has nothing to do with 'opensource' or not
[17:11] <holstein> jirido: big corporations deal with these issues just as large and small opensource projects
[17:12] <holstein> i think anyone who is going to be honest will say, just as TheLordOfTime suggeste above, being on the internet is a risk
[17:13] <TheLordOfTime> yep
[17:13] <jirido> well fore me it is ok if the local bored police cant hack me dead easy by parking here up the woods and dump my network traffic
[17:14] <holstein> jirido: what about the other person you are connecting to. or persons..
[17:14] <jirido> security is relative is it not? vpn could be hacked the same or what?
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> VPNs are harder to hack, but just as likely to be a target
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> as is a blog site, an email server, a file server...
[17:15] <holstein> jirido: *everything* can be hacked.. the vpn is totally under your control.. your level of encryption... then the options are more open too
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> i could go on forever, but *everything* is capable of being hacked
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> with enough effort
[17:15] <holstein> yup... *anything*
[17:15] <jirido> well heeat i pull on by being naughty is not maybe so relevant then as the police is relatively lasy and so
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> anything computer related has as much risk of being hacked as you stepping out into traffic and being hit by a car
[17:16] <jirido> so then mumble is just a little easyer to hack then vpn
[17:16] <TheLordOfTime> and assuming you're smart about it you're *not* going to be walking out into traffic and get hit by a car anyways
[17:16] <jirido> well sometimes its time to walk in the trafic :)
[17:16] <TheLordOfTime> jirido:  everything is hackable, so making the comparison is irrelevant
[17:16] <holstein> jirido: mumble is not designed for secure connections
[17:16] <TheLordOfTime> and holstein is right
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> mumble is *NOT* a secure communication method
[17:17] <jirido> you have made it many times so far so why not me?
[17:17]  * TheLordOfTime doesn't use mumble :P
[17:17] <holstein> jirido: i would not assume it to be safe.. a vpn *is* designed for security... but i wouldnt trust it like its un-hackable
[17:17] <holstein> i use mumble.. but i dont expect it to be secure..
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> the only truly unhackable system is a non-networked system that is locked inside a room with ia key, numeric pin, and biometric security.
[17:17] <jirido> so there is a scale!
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> and at that point it's not useful, so... :
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> :P *
[17:18] <jirido> so there is a scale!
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> nope
[17:18] <holstein> jirido: ?
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> jirido:  i'm giving you the utmost extreme example of a system that can't be hacked because its not exposed.  its not even on the internet.
[17:18] <TheLordOfTime> jirido:  the MOMENT your system is connected to the internet, or even a local LAN, it is at risk
[17:19] <jirido> scale of hackability, and tresholds
[17:19] <holstein> jirido: you can have whatever scale you want.. the fact is, you take risks on the internet... make sure you are comfortable with those risks
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> there is no "scale" of hackability
[17:19] <holstein> yeah... the scale would depend on a lot of factors
[17:19] <TheLordOfTime> and each scale is tailored to each system/network/infrastructure
[17:19] <holstein> and also, who would care?.. like when skype sayd "safe and secure"... they are not responsible
[17:19] <jirido> yes you say vnp is safer = scale of hackabillety
[17:19] <holstein> mumble isnt either
[17:20] <holstein> jirido: vpn is designed for that task
[17:20] <holstein> jirido: mumble has nothing to do with security
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> everything holstein said.
[17:20] <holstein> jirido: i say, purely on design
[17:20] <jirido> so it is better on a scale as mumble also is encrypted
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> i'm done, we're going in circles.
[17:20] <holstein> jirido: "better" is a matter of opinion
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> i'd rather stab php5's source code with a rusty spoon anyways
[17:20] <jirido> i get you
[17:21] <jirido> TheLordOfTime, then i think it is time to :)
[17:21] <holstein> safer can be a matter of opinion too.. but it comes down to what you want to trust, and what you are willing to setup
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> and what holstein said is the  "limit of risk that one deems acceptable"
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> which is always > 0 (there's ALWAYS some level of risk you will be taking at all times)
[17:22] <holstein> yup.. its really up to you.. security is a personal thing
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> (and which you are willing to accept)
[17:22] <TheLordOfTime> and what holstein said: security's a (relatively) personal thing
[17:22] <jirido> well as you know by now i want a telefon system "Fairly" secure, easy to invite to, and good sound and so on
[17:22] <holstein> some folks have lots of locks on their doors.. some have security systems.. if i want what is in their house, i can likley find a way to get it though
[17:23] <holstein> jirido: fairly?.. you *never* said "fairly"
[17:23] <holstein> you said "im a governemtn official"
[17:23] <holstein> jirido: i think skype is "fairly" secure
[17:23] <TheLordOfTime> if you're government, andyou want secure communications, its called "STE Secure Telephone"
[17:23] <holstein> jirido: thats why i suggested it... and it *is* easy
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> it costs a TON, and requires you to have security clearance to use it.
[17:24] <jirido> as you have said and as i ofcource have known from before "Noting is secure exept concreet room etc
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> and an STE telephone line (not worth it to crack it :P)
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> but that's hardwired things
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> not VoIP
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[17:24] <holstein> jirido: the systems that TheLordOfTime mentions *has* accountability
[17:24] <holstein> jirido: if you get hacked, someone gets fired
[17:25] <jirido> but they will have a register of my traffic whitch i dont like
[17:25] <holstein> jirido: that helps.. they *do* guarantee privacy on some level
[17:25] <TheLordOfTime> jirido:  lemme tell you something:
[17:25] <holstein> jirido: and you pay for that
[17:25] <TheLordOfTime> i have administrative access to certain networks for small businesses
[17:25] <TheLordOfTime> that is to say, my codes can access a log of EVERYTHING that business does.
[17:25] <TheLordOfTime> of course, i don't do that, because i'm on a contract with them.
[17:25] <TheLordOfTime> but that is to say those small businesses have *accepted* the risk that I may go bonkers and steal their info
[17:26] <TheLordOfTime> because the legal repercussions for me doing that are so high its not worth me doing it
[17:26] <TheLordOfTime> therefore: if you do not accept *someone* tracking your traffic, and voice communications over VoIP, don't do it
[17:26] <TheLordOfTime> which goes back to the level of "acceptable risk" you are willing to take
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> at some point you will have to accept that someone somewhere will track your information at some level
[17:27] <holstein> isp's can and do track and log
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> and there's no way to get around that
[17:27] <TheLordOfTime> which is why there's numerous trainings in the work environment on "Safe Internet Practices"
[17:27] <holstein> even if your isp doenst, the other one can... or what about the data center?.. you cant know that its not being tracked/logged
[17:28] <holstein> and encryption is just that... with enough time, one could get through that and decrypt
[17:28] <holstein> enough time, or a bot net.. or amazon array or whatever
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> and this goes back to the fundamentally insecure nature of the internet
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> and there is a 100% chance that someone somewhere will track your information
[17:28] <jirido> Im not that intressting in realtime:) rather the heat goes in waves
[17:29] <holstein> and thats really all you can do.. you or any opensource or commercial entity.. apply encryption
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[17:29] <holstein> jirido: i have no idea what that means
[17:29] <holstein> jirido: i would do text via ssh
[17:30] <holstein> jirido: i would not do *anything* on the internet that i didnt want to be found out
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> jirido:  if you do grey-area things which could/couldn't be criminal you should not be saying that here...
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> (if i interpret "the heat goes in waves" to mean legal pressure"
[17:30] <TheLordOfTime> )
[17:30] <holstein> OR, i would pay proffesionals for services such as TheLordOfTime suggested
[17:30] <jirido> I want to be hard and uncomfortable as posible to decrypt and not have my connections recorded on anyones but a trusted computer
[17:30] <holstein> jirido: its not... if i buy an array or amazon machines... how long would it take?
[17:31] <holstein> jirido: is it worth the cost?
[17:31] <TheLordOfTime> jirido:  mind if i give you a microlesson in IT security?
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> jirido:  the question isn't going to be "what should i use to encrypt"
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> the question should be how valuable is your activity/informaiton/etc. to the potential hacker?
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> I.E.
[17:32] <holstein> ok.. i gotta go... jirido: my lesson is, trust no one.. and you are already not trusting skype and google.. just dont for get the ISP's and your friends ISPs and the date centers.. cheers
[17:32] <TheLordOfTime> "I want to hack this person.  I want $someinfo.  WHat will the cost be for me to crack any encryption?  What owuld the benefits be to me?"
[17:32] <jirido> but that is unavoidable/ but it would require the local police to make it official and declare a reason to buy an aray at amazon etc, and would requ
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> in most cases, if they really want to hack you they'll find a way
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> police, blackhats, or otherwise
[17:33] <holstein> jirido: no... blackhats dont have to follow that
[17:33] <holstein> jirido: they just hack into the isp.. or datacenter cache and get to work
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[17:33] <holstein> jirido: can i afford to hire them?
[17:33] <TheLordOfTime> also, is it worth the cost for you to hire them.
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> i.e. will you get more benefit from hiring them than it cost to hire them.
[17:34] <holstein> yup.. is the payoff worth borrowing the $$
[17:34] <jirido> Yes me to have to go but i have got some of youre points , but i still think mumble is the way to go for me for now
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> then that's your decision
[17:34] <jirido> thats sonera
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> which means any insecurity if any from that decision you are accepting
[17:34] <holstein> yup.. cause mumble is not reponsible
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> although i stand by mine and holstein's original statement that mumble is not inherently secure.
[17:35] <holstein> nor or they even implying its designed for security
[17:35] <jirido> the biggest isp server owner in us if not the world
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[17:35] <Myrtti> I wouldn't trust Sonera anything
[17:36] <jirido> whom would
[17:36] <jirido> And ofcorce i dont plan to hold anyone acountable for anything..
[17:37] <jirido> that would be a joke!
[17:37]  * TheLordOfTime goes back to stabbing php5's code base with a rusty spork, since this discussion keeps circling back on itselfe.
[17:38] <jirido> but still the law here in finland is so that there needs justifications for actions and recuired resorces..  TheLordOfTime good luck pal
[17:39] <jirido> what they can do on their own computors they can do for fun and what they can do in aftertime is diferent , like recuire loggs and etc
[23:58] <roasted> hello friends
[23:59] <TheLordOfTime> hiya
[23:59] <roasted> so I just installed lubuntu, and it works great, but the default theme is bumming me out. I'm having some trouble finding alternatives.
[23:59] <roasted> Is LXDE on 12.04 GTK3 based to use regular gnome themes with?


[01:08] <kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 should I land https://phab.lubuntu.me/D88 ?
[01:08] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Add wallpapers from wallpaper contest.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D88
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> wxl: @tsimonq2 should I land https://phab.lubuntu.me/D88 ?], Go for it. Land it manually if you have to
[01:27] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Add wallpapers from wallpaper contest.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D88
 And make sure the SDDM wallpaper is also updated
[01:27] <kc2bez> Copy that.
[01:28] <kc2bez> It should be pointed to the default one. Is that what we want?
[02:09] <kc2bez> Ok. @tsimonq2 wxl I have an issue. I can't seem to get the default wallpaper to work with SDDM.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Ok. @tsimonq2 wxl I have an issue. I can't seem to get the default wall …], Did you check the symlink in our SDDM theming?
 Somewhere in there we have a png file hard-coded
[02:22] <kc2bez> Yes. I tried swapping the actual image for the symlink too. All it seems to render is a white background.
 Does the wallpaper work once you log in?
[02:23] <kc2bez> Yes. and I can xdg-open the wallpaper
[02:23] <kc2bez> I can actually open it from the SDDM symlink using xdg-open
[02:24] <kc2bez> Does sddm want a certain format?
 wall.png is symlinked to ../../../lubuntu/wallpapers/lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png
 So probably png
[02:25] <kc2bez> I will try converting the image to a png
 I mean, you might be able to keep it as a jpeg, but you'll just have to edit the theme config I'd assume
[02:26] <kc2bez> I could try that too I suppose.
 That should at least point you in the right direction
[02:27] <kc2bez> ok thanks for the help. I will let you know what I find.
 No worries
[02:33] <guiverc> does anyone know anything about package libuno-sal3 off the top of the head  (looking at lp 1872565, looks like debian packages added to system created fail.to.upgrade to me)
[02:37]  * guiverc marking incompleted; package matches deb bullseye
[02:37] <kc2bez> Part of libreoffice? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libuno%2Dsal3
[02:42] <guiverc> Thanks Dan
[02:42] <kc2bez> np
[03:02] <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 I think I figured it out. If the configuration file is pointed at a png it wants a png image but if it points at a jpg that works too. SDDM can't seem to handle the transition on the fly like a image rendering application. So I need to either change the SDDM configuration or the image.
[03:03] <kc2bez> That being said, I like one of the other wallpapers for SDDM better.
[03:04] <kc2bez> https://imgur.com/a/j3j6FLW
[03:25] <guiverc> kc2bez, I love that image on sddm !
[03:26] <kc2bez> I fixed this up a bit it the bottom was cut off worse before. https://imgur.com/a/MdNBwJk
[03:27] <kc2bez> I like that too
[03:29] <guiverc> I prefer the blue sky myself (for sddm); the second is our default desktop isn't it (I forget sorry)..  I'd vote sky for sddm
[03:29] <kc2bez> Yes, the second is our default.
[04:55] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rARTd0e18c3b524c: Add wallpapers from wallpaper contest.] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rARTd0e18c3b524c
[05:21] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-artwork (focal-proposed/universe) [20.04.2 => 20.04.3] (lubuntu)
[05:37] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [T17: Write a Welcome Center] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T17#3289
 @HMollerCl https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KPZ4fJyHJN/
[08:27] <RikMills> $ grep -ir get_dependencies *
[08:27] <RikMills> softwareproperties/gtk/SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py:def get_dependencies(apt_cache, package_name, pattern=None):
[08:27] <RikMills> softwareproperties/gtk/SoftwarePropertiesGtk.py:                    for dep in get_dependencies(self.apt_cache, pkg.shortname, 'nvidia'):
[08:27] <RikMills> softwareproperties/qt/SoftwarePropertiesQt.py:            for dep in get_dependencies(self.apt_cache, pkg.shortname, 'nvidia'):
[08:28] <RikMills> so looks like the software-properties-qt driver page port was incomplete
 wow, I wonder how I didn't notice it.
 it looks easy to fix
 only add the method
 problem is how to test it
 maybe we can send a diff to that guy
[13:41] -lugito12:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8f4a1f69992a: Update .gitignore] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8f4a1f69992a
 @HMollerCl [maybe we can send a diff to that guy], he says it fixed it!
 good! now I need to remember how branch is done in launchpad....
[16:30] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-artwork [source] (focal-proposed) [20.04.3]
[21:03] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1779
 Yes, filling up my inbox today over at LXQt XD ^


[00:00] <ath88> Or maybe guide me to a more fitting channel for such a question?
[00:02] <tomsdale> ath88: security or #security ?
[00:04] <ath88> Ill try, thanks. :)
[00:31] <fluvvell> DigitalDeviant:, sorry got called out. bind9 - its a fairly involved task, sometimes I wonder if I have a handle on it at all. We have dnsmasq for internal dns and bind for our internet records. I have 2 other bind servers on the internet that act as backup dns and are on other sites, I have only remote access to them and use command line and text editing to change records. Webmin looks good, but in the end I trust things work proper
[00:31] <fluvvell> ly when I see the config files looking the way they should.
[01:08] <thesheff17> has anyone seen Failed to find device to remove that has udev name '/sys/devices/virtual/net/vnet0' with virsh --migrate --live?
[01:09] <thesheff17> *virsh migrate --live
[01:19] <Hypnoz> I realize this is a weird question for this chan, but anyone know the name of the item that screws a 4 post rack to the floor?
[01:27] <WinstonSmith> Hypnoz, /ironic on screwdriver ?
[01:36] <Patrickdk> hypnoz, a wrench?
[01:38] <Hypnoz> its called a bolt-down kit
[01:38] <Patrickdk> basically what I use
[01:38] <Patrickdk> http://www.altex.com/Concrete-Floor-Anchor-Kit-Secures-Relay-Racks-To-Floor-RIK01-P139683.aspx
[01:38] <Hypnoz> was having trouble finding the product
[01:38] <Patrickdk> concrete floor ancors :)
[01:38] <Patrickdk> have a box of 50 from lowes
[01:38] <Patrickdk> though mine are 5/8"
[01:51] <trimeta> I've checked USN, I've checked "aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.32-24-server", what are the changes to the kernel that warranted a version bump and may warrant a reboot?
[02:02] <fluvvell> trimeta, have you got proposed updates turned on ?
[02:03] <trimeta> I don't think so...this is a relatively standard Lucid install.
[02:03] <fluvvell> trimeta, server install or desktop?
[02:03] <trimeta> Server.
[02:04] <trimeta> Looks like I have the lucid and lucid-updates repositories in sources.list
[02:05] <fluvvell> it may be the 10.04.1 update that came through for the desktop not long ago.
[02:09] <trimeta> Perhaps...what did that bring with it? Anything I'd want to sacrifice uptime for?
[02:14] <pmatulis> trimeta: usn-966-1 and usn-974-1 are 2 that i know of
[02:15] <trimeta> pmatulis: I don't think it's actually security-related, it seemed to have been pulled from the lucid update server and not lucid-security.
[02:15] <trimeta> I just mentioned that since it's the first place I check for kernel updates.
[02:15] <pmatulis> trimeta: lucid-security dumps into lucid-updates after a very short while
[02:16] <trimeta> Still, this just bumped tonight, and since I don't run Hardy and have updated between now and August 4, I'm pretty sure it's neither of those.
[02:18] <pmatulis> trimeta: well, when did you last update your package index?
[02:19] <trimeta> I just ran aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade earlier tonight....I don't remember when I did it last, but certainly within the past week.
[02:19] <trimeta> (the one earlier tonight is what pulled in a new version of the kernel.)
[02:20] <pmatulis> trimeta: maybe your using a crummy mirror
[02:20] <trimeta> I don't think it's that bad...besides, I vaguely remember having installed the usn-966-1 update previously.
[02:21] <trimeta> To be honest, there's no real problem here; I could just reboot and get it done with. I'm just curious what changed.
[02:21] <pmatulis> trimeta: what mirror are you using?
[02:21] <trimeta> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[02:22] <pmatulis> trimeta: dunno.  check your apt logs for more info...
[02:23] <trimeta> Where do I find those?
[02:23] <pmatulis> trimeta: under /var/log/apt
[02:23] <trimeta> I suppose I should have checked there first...
[02:24] <trimeta> The upgrade appears to have been from 2.6.32-24.41 to 2.6.32-24.42 (both of these being versions of linux-image-2.6.32-24-server).
[02:25] <trimeta> Hmm...maybe I'm just not reading the changelog correctly, and I've been stupid this whole time?
[02:26] <trimeta> It mentions change pertaining to this specific version, but they were checked in over a week ago...I know I've updated more recently than then.
[02:26] <trimeta> Perhaps I just don't understand how the dates in the changelog work?
[02:29] <pmatulis> trimeta: changelogs show committed times, not released times
[02:29] <trimeta> Hmm...is there a way to see released times?
[02:30] <pmatulis> trimeta: i'm not sure.  launchpad maybe?
[02:31] <trimeta> I'll look around...and in the future, try to keep in mind that even if the update in the changelog seems to have happened ages ago (in Linux time), it might still be the update which just installed. Thanks for listening to me be an idiot.
[02:36] <pmatulis> trimeta: do you have -proposed enabled?
[02:36] <trimeta> No.
[03:13] <holmser> does anyone here use ISP config?
[03:14] <holmser> I was just gifted a new server, and I would like administer both of them from ISP config, but I am having trouble figuring out how to do it.
[04:18] <Andre_Gondim> Hi I want to mapping home em temporaty directories at samba, but I didn't found a logon file exampla, anyone may help me?
[05:00] <JasonMSP1> im using VSFTPD and I have multiple log files..  standard, .1 .2 .3
[05:00] <JasonMSP1> how can I force a new log to start?
[05:12] <jmarsden> JasonMSP1: Probably using the logrotate command.  man logrotate.  Not sure about vsftpd specifically, but many subsystems use this.
[05:21] <JasonMSP1> thx
[07:16] <seezed> anyone here have any experience with group-office
[07:16] <twb> seezed: the wine thing?
[07:16] <seezed> nope its a web based project management/groupware app
[07:17] <joschi> twb: I think you mean crossover office ;)
[07:17] <seezed> im looking for a groupware app to run on a fresh 10.04 install
[07:17] <seezed> but im having dramas getting things running, so I was wondering if there was a pre-packaged app anyone had tried
[07:17] <twb> Oh, right, groupoffice is the OWA clone
[07:18] <twb> I thought it was packaged
[07:18] <seezed> OWA?
[07:18] <seezed> i cant find it in apt, and there is no deb available that I've been able to find
[07:18] <twb> seezed: outlook web access
[07:19] <biodegabriel> saucy
[07:19] <twb> Basically a rewrite of outlook to run on iexplore/activex
[07:19] <seezed> its a bit more then that
[07:19] <twb> Fair enough
[07:19] <seezed> im looking for a web app to host docs, manage project time lines etc
[07:20] <twb> IME when people say "groupware" they really just mean calendaring stuff
[07:20] <twb> seezed: maybe something like trac?   TUKS must Die! I am da TUKSKILLA!
[08:40] <soren> OWDH: Please take this nonsense elsewhere.
[08:50] <twb> How peculiar
[08:51] <soren> Kids. What can I say?
[08:52]  * soren reboots (into maverick)
[08:54] <jpds> soren: Hi.
[09:18] <huats> morning
[09:24] <ttx> huats: yo!
[09:24] <huats> hello ttx !
[09:47] <soren> jpds: o/
[10:20] <siretart> does the ubuntu server team look after bugs in virt-manager? or do you focus on "infrastructure" packages like 'libvirt'?
[10:37] <twb> I imagine virt-manager has a specific Maintainer:
[10:40]  * lifeless bets on dustin
[10:46] <twb> Grmph
[10:46] <twb> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:46] <twb> IMO packages that do that should indicate guilty individuals via Uploaders
[11:08] <theyranos> can anyone tell me what "monitor socket did not show up" actually means? Google has not yielded much of anything helpful.
[11:10] <twb> theyranos: what issues that warning?
[11:11] <theyranos> sudo virsh create /path/to/xml
[11:11] <twb> Sorry, I don't do libvirt
[11:12] <twb> Wait patiently for someone else and/or try #libvirt (#virt?)
[11:12] <theyranos> will do. thanks
[11:13] <theyranos> dang. #libvirt got created when i tried to join it just now. #virt wants a password... but i'll go looking for a libvirt community
[11:14] <soren> theyranos: #virt is on oftc.
[11:14] <theyranos> soren: thanks
[11:14] <soren> theyranos: "monitor socket did not show up" usually means the domain took to long to boot (or didn't boot at all)
[11:14] <soren> theyranos: Look in /var/log/libvirt/qemu/<name of domain>.log for more info.
[11:15] <theyranos> you have no idea how grateful I am just for telling me where the heck the log files for virsh are.
[11:16] <jussi> #ubuntu-virt was redirected to here, so the correct people _should_ be here now...
[11:19] <theyranos> oh lord... there was an extra space in my xml file. I've been trying to fix this for three hours and that was the entire problem. soren, thank you so very much for the log path.
[11:23] <ttx> jiboumans, Daviey, kirkland, hggdh: doing UEC ISO testing, I can't get it to work :/ See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/627963
[11:25]  * Daviey looks
[11:29] <ttx> Daviey: i'd welcome some outside reproduction
[11:30] <Daviey> ttx: Okay.. i'm planning to reproduce it shortly..
[11:30] <Daviey> I'm expecting it to be a depends that broke it TBH
[11:31] <Daviey> odd that i hadn't seen this before.
[11:31] <Daviey> .. and you have seen it twice!
[11:31] <Daviey> infact, even Carlos hasn't seen it!
[11:31] <ttx> I did two amd64 installs in a row
[11:31] <Daviey> Which to me, indicates something underlying busted
[11:32] <ttx> Daviey: I'm lacking some reference point, but I suspect cloud-cluster.log should not be empty, that's why I say "CC is not started correctly"
[11:32] <ttx> and then those received/expected certificates dumps every 20s look suspicious
[11:32] <ttx> I found them while investigating bug 585108
[11:33] <ttx> looks like that one would be a consequence rather than a cause.
[11:35]  * ttx lunches
[11:35] <Daviey> agreed
[12:34] <ttx> Daviey: i386 test in progress
[12:35] <ttx> Daviey: re: dependency, maybe, the certificate mismatch seems to affect only the C components (CC and NC)
[12:35] <Daviey> ttx, I'm halfway through amd64
[12:50] <ttx> Daviey: I don't run into it with i386. Might be arch-related, or pure luck
[12:58] <ttx> ...
[12:59] <ttx> the i386 setup ends up being so slow it even gets the avahi broadcasts wrong
[12:59] <ttx> eucalyptus-cloud maintains high load
[13:01] <Daviey> ttx, Hmm - i just got a registration issue on the single machine :S
[13:02] <ttx> Daviey: describe
[13:02] <Daviey> ttx, rebooting, will pastebin reg'.log
[13:03] <Daviey> BTW, shutdown speed is laaaaaging
[13:03] <ttx> the reg log shows duplicate tries, but with SUCCESS
[13:03] <Daviey> as in frozen
[13:03] <ttx> (in my tests)
[13:03] <Daviey> ttx, Have you been able to reboot?
[13:03] <ttx> Daviey: why would I ?
[13:04] <Daviey> mine has been jammed for 3 mins on "Deconfiguring network interfaces"
[13:04] <ttx> right, I got that
[13:04]  * Daviey hard powers off.
[13:04]  * ttx is focused on the critical issues, but has a backlog of small issues he also needs to file
[13:05] <ttx> Daviey: when was the last time you had a working setup ?
[13:07] <Daviey> ttx, Friday was the last time i did a fresh install.
[13:08]  * Daviey winces at ipv6 error
[13:11] <ttx> Daviey: filed bug 628025
[13:11] <ttx> is it the same one ?
[13:14] <Daviey> http://eucalyptus.daviey.com/logs/
[13:14] <Daviey> ttx, same errro
[13:15] <ttx> right, it's not the blocking factor
[13:15] <ttx> something makes duplicate announcements
[13:15] <ttx> hmm
[13:15] <ttx> that might explain the expected/received cert issue though
[13:16] <ttx> Daviey: I'm having this bug also on i386 where everything registered properly
[13:16] <ttx> so I discounted it as yab (yet another bug)
[13:17] <Daviey> ttx, http://community.eucalyptus.com/forum/error-errorc94-oxs-error-x509c287-opensslx509ge
[13:17]  * Daviey screams
[13:17] <ttx> Daviey: this one was always present
[13:18] <ttx> Daviey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/axis2c/+bug/456099
[13:18] <ttx> so, that one is clearly unrelated (yab)
[13:19] <zul> Daviey: serenity now!
[13:19] <Daviey> zul, o rly :)
[13:19] <ttx> Daviey: I get everything registered on i386
[13:19] <Daviey> ttx, I'm going to spin a new install, amd64....
[13:20] <ttx> Daviey: (with duplicate messages in registration.log, one success 1 fail for each)
[13:20] <ttx> trying to run an instance for kicks
[13:20] <zul> Daviey: serenity now....insanity later
[13:20] <Daviey> ttx, I'm wondering if a depends has changed recently, and only amd64 has been accepted into the archive; or it FTBFS
[13:20] <Daviey> guessing WHICH depends is fun.
[13:21] <ttx> Daviey: comparing ISO contents since Friday will help
[13:22] <ttx> if only we kept that ISO on cdimage
[13:22]  * Daviey raises again that snapshot archive would really help in this instance.
[13:22] <Daviey> ttx, I can look through ubuntu-changes
[13:22] <ttx> Was your Friday test an amd64 one ?
[13:24] <Daviey> yes.. i generally hammer amd64 more.
[13:24] <ttx> ok. so it would truly be a recent regression, or just a flaky thing we were all lucky with
[13:25]  * ttx looks up ubuntu-changes as well
[13:25] <Daviey> nah, we've ruled out luck i feel
[13:25] <Daviey> Carlos, or me didn't discover this sooner
[13:27] <Daviey> brb
[13:29] <ttx> nothing jumps out in maverick-changes
[13:38] <ttx> hggdh: ping us when around, we could use another pair of eyes reproducing those
[13:58] <PrestonConnors> Hello, I am trying to get unattended-upgrades to NOT install and only notify me of packages that are available for upgrade via E-Mail. I noticed the option APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";  in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic via Google searching but this is not an option in my installations of Ubuntu 10.04; what does APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; do and if I set it to 0 will it NOT install updates and still notify
[14:13] <hggdh> ttx: ping
[14:15] <hggdh> ttx: I have an idea re bug 627963
[14:16] <ttx> hggdh: cool
[14:17] <hggdh> ttx: for a topo1,under /var/lib/eucalyptus/keys, you will find *both* the certs *and* a directory named after your CC
[14:18] <hggdh> ttx: try replacing either one of the set of certificates. I did it the hard way, and it worked
[14:18] <hggdh> ttx: somebody seemgly changed the places for (some of) the certificates
[14:19]  * ttx will try again
[14:20] <hggdh> ttx: hard way == replace the /var/lib/eucalyptus/<Cluster Name> certs on all machines
[14:21] <ttx> hggdh: is this a random error ? Or you always run into it ?
[14:22] <ttx> just wondering why I'm the first one to see it, on D-1 for beta release
[14:22] <ttx> reinstalling amd64 UEC rig
[14:26] <hggdh> ttx: this is new on ubuntu2, I think, did not run on it before
[14:26] <ttx> huh
[14:26]  * hggdh is also starting from scratch
[14:27] <hggdh> I will try it, but without dacing around like the first time
[14:28] <marek_> hi, i have a problem with proxy, i need to do the same thing as mentioned here http://serverfault.com/questions/140125/port-to-subdomain - so i added apache modules and addedd vhosts file, but it is still not working, i even tried to edit proxy.conf to enable "Allow from all" for proxies, but still no luck, how can i debug this problem?
[14:31] <ttx> hggdh: I see nothing in -ubuntu2 diff that would be relevant
[14:34] <hggdh> ttx: I am not saying it was a change with 0ubunut2, I said this was new on 0ubuntu2... I sure as hell did not have it before, and just got it now
[14:35] <hggdh> ttx: but I am still about 20 minutes from finisheing the CLC/CC/SC/Walrus reinstall
[14:35] <ttx> hggdh: if you can document a workaround on the bug, that would be great (and lower it to High from Critical)
[14:36] <hggdh> ttx: I will confirm the workaround and lower the importance -- if it actually works, of course --
[14:36]  * hggdh wonders how much was luck
[14:36] <ttx> I might get there before you do
[14:37] <hggdh> heh. The race is on ;-)
[14:38] <hggdh> ttx: one thing I *should* have done was to openssl x509 -text the certs (I am not sure the certs are in x509)
[14:38] <hggdh> so replace x509 by whatever format needed
[14:50] <ttx> hggdh: copied keys to <clustername>, retsrtaed eucalyptus
[14:50] <ttx> and now I have a cc.log
[14:58] <hggdh> ttx: I can confirm that /var/lib/eucalyptus/keys/cluster-cert.pem and /var/lib/eucalyptus/keys/<clustername>/cluster-cert.pem are different
[14:59] <ttx> hggdh: amd64/all-in-one unblocked, installing NC now
[15:00] <ttx> let's see if I hit bug 628055 now
[15:00] <ttx> hggdh: does that one ring a bell ? ^
[15:02] <\sh> maswan, ping your problem with the new hp blade series G7 and the new broadcom chipsets...I'll visit tomorrow the testlab of HP Germany...I want to test jaunty, lucid and maverick...anything else I shoud  pay attention to when testing the setups?
[15:04] <hggdh> ttx: no, it does not. I never saw this error...
[15:05] <ttx> hggdh: was on my i386 test, which for some reason avoided that certificate thing
[15:11] <hggdh> ttx: weird is that I installed, and I *do* have a cc.log
[15:12] <hggdh> ttx: but the registration.log shows the error, OK
[15:12] <hggdh> brb
[15:12] <ttx> hggdh: no
[15:12] <ttx> hggdh: the registration.log shows a different error
[15:12] <ttx> http://launchpad.net/bugs/628025
[15:13] <ttx> that oe is unrelated imo
[15:13] <maswan> \sh: Hm. Not really, that I can think of. Hm. It is sometime non-trivial to get bios and grub to agree which boot device is which if you have a storage blade, but you might not have that configuration.
[15:13] <ttx> hggdh: so if you have a cc.log, it's probably a lucky strike
[15:14] <\sh> maswan, no simple 465G7
[15:14] <hggdh> ttx: so... it might be with us for some time now
[15:16] <hggdh> ttx: I still do not understand why the two different sets of cluster-cert.pem. Ah well, I will go ahead and install the NCs, and see what happens
[15:17] <maswan> \sh: I've found that on just normal boots, adding crc32c to /etc/modules brings up the network interfaces fast, as a workaround.
[15:17] <maswan> \sh: but that doesn't help the installer
[15:17] <ttx> hggdh: I could run an instance on amd64, once I applied your workaround
[15:17] <\sh> maswan, hmm..what das crc32c do? ;)
[15:17] <\sh> s/das/does/
[15:17] <ttx> so I didn't hit the instance running bug
[15:17] <maswan> \sh: It's a dependancy of the bnx2x module
[15:18] <ttx> lowering prio since it may be a one-off or a i386-specific bug
[15:18] <maswan> \sh: but somehow indirect, for some reason
[15:18] <\sh> maswan, hmm..kernel module bug ?
[15:18] <maswan> \sh: Well, it does get loaded eventually (at first it didn't, that's a separate bug that got fixed)
[15:19] <maswan> or if it wasn't included in the install initrd or something. I forget, this was karmic alpha time, so it's a bit hazy now. :)
[15:19] <ttx> hggdh: so let me get this straight. You started from scratch and ended up with an install that had a cc.log after registration, and no certificate errors in cloud-output.log ?
[15:19] <ttx> (on amd64 ?)
[15:19] <\sh> maswan, well, I will see tomorrow :)
[15:19] <\sh> maswan, thx for the infos
[15:21] <maswan> \sh: It's quite easy to see if it hangs for several minutes when detecting netowrk hardware, at least. :)
[15:21] <hggdh> ttx: correct, on amd64. Previous install (and first on 0ubuntu2) failed wit the cert errors
[15:21] <ttx> ok, so it's probably not arch-related
[15:21] <\sh> maswan, hehe...yeah :)
[15:21] <ttx> I suspect some kind of race
[15:22] <hggdh> yes. The certs for the cluster seem to be created dinamically
[15:22] <ttx> like if cluster shows up before the CLC created the certs
[15:22] <hggdh> ttx: er
[15:22] <ttx> i386 being utterly slower avoids that issue more often
[15:23] <hggdh> ttx: I see this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/486780/ at about the time the cluster certs are being/have been created
[15:25] <ttx> not sure I'm any wiser now
[15:26]  * ttx will try his 5th (and hopefully last) UEc install of the day, i386 to confirm/deny bug 628055
[15:30] <ttx> everyone: don't forget to do ISO testing today, see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver/all
[16:15] <hggdh> ttx: should we open a bug for this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/486808/
[16:15] <hggdh> ttx: I do not see it really as a problem, seems to be just lack of support for IPv6
[16:16] <ttx> hggdh: yes, it's slightly different from bug 628025
[16:16] <ttx> hggdh: please do
[16:16] <ttx> (Low, confirmed, since I hit it too)
[16:19] <hggdh> ttx: ack
[16:19] <hggdh> Daviey: 09:52:23 ERROR [SystemUtil:Thread-33] com.eucalyptus.util.ExecutionException: ///usr/lib/eucalyptus/euca_rootwrap vgscan  error: ERROR: Disallowed command vgscan
[16:23] <soren> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=swift  \o/
[16:27] <ttx> smoser: are you going to run the ec2 instances autotest ?
[16:28] <smoser> yes.
[16:28] <smoser> i'm running.
[16:28] <smoser> they're mostly finished, just wating on availability in ap-southeast
[16:28] <smoser> for amd64
[16:28] <ttx> smoser: also if you have a working UEC[tm], could you cover the cloud images ?
[16:28] <smoser> i have a working-ish uec.
[16:28] <smoser> (one with local hacks, ie to fix the console output bug)
[16:28] <ttx> that will do :)
[16:28] <smoser> but i can try to run them here.
[16:29] <hggdh> oh. yes, the console-output bug... let me see how the current euca is faring
[16:29] <ttx> mathiaz, SpamapS, hallyn, kirkland, zul: I trust you're going to cover the remaining cases
[16:30] <zul> ttx: yep
[16:30] <ttx> From where I stand, I think we are good for server ISO and cloud images. For UEC we need to investigate the issues to come up with good release notes
[16:30] <ttx> that's what hggdh, Daviey and me are trying to cover
[16:32] <kickingintender> i wanna know is it easy to install xserver for ubuntu server
[16:33] <hggdh> ttx: heh. I restarted Eucalyptus, and now I *do* get the certificate thingy
[16:33] <ttx> ew
[16:34] <ttx> you mean it's not even a one-time fix :)
[16:34] <hggdh> so... I am betting there is some sort of fall-back/timing where euca relies on the ./keys/*.pem until ./keys/clustername> is created
[16:34] <hggdh> no, I had not fixed it yet
[16:35] <hggdh> there was *no* problem... until I restarted
[16:35]  * ttx wonders if upstream tests the topology 1
[16:35] <hggdh> :-)
[16:35] <ttx> hggdh: maybe they don't, and maybe we shouldn't
[16:35] <hggdh> I will fix it, and then restart the beast again
[16:35] <ttx> hggdh: did you have the chance to run topology2 ?
[16:35] <hggdh> ttx: no, this is a good fit for small deployments
[16:36] <ttx> hggdh: it's important for demo/eval purposes, yes
[16:36] <ttx> hggdh: but if they don't support it, we should not either
[16:36] <hggdh> ttx: question for them on next go-around
[16:37] <hggdh> ttx: but yes, I agree now
[16:37] <kickingintender> how to install x11 for ubuntu server from command line
[16:37] <kickingintender> i mean gui
[16:37] <ttx> kickingintender: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[16:37] <hggdh> kickingintender: it is a standard X, so you just apt-get install <whatever X you want>
[16:38] <hggdh> like apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[16:38] <hggdh> or apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[16:39] <hallyn> ttx: 'upgrade test' i assum emenas install lucid, and then upgrade to maverick?
[16:39] <kickingintender> so really with x == is it equals to ubuntu desktop
[16:39] <hggdh> hallyn: yes
[16:39] <hggdh> kickingintender: no X != ubuntu-desktop
[16:39] <hallyn> still trying to find the 'non-uec beta test' on the tracker...
[16:39] <ttx> hallyn: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerUpgrade
[16:39] <hggdh> ubuntu-desktop carries X
[16:40] <ttx> hallyn: referenced from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4484/192
[16:40] <hallyn> ttx: yes, it doesn't say "start with lucid" though...
[16:40] <hallyn> wanted to be sure :)
[16:40] <ttx> hallyn: that should be it :)
[16:50] <ttx> Daviey: when you come back: please confirm/reproduce the issues we already found... forward upstream... and maybe propose a releasenote text on the bugs
[16:56] <Daviey> ttx, ack
[16:59] <Daviey> ttx, oddly, on install #3 - reboot worked :S
[17:00] <ttx> Daviey: ...
[17:00] <Daviey> (on both boxes)
[17:01] <Daviey> ttx,  eucalyptus-cloud is still hammering
[17:08] <sla> can someone help me with dbconfig-common and aptitude? trying to install phpmyadmin/mantis/mediawiki etc.. all failing to create a database on installation. although i'm sure the mysql root password i provide works
[17:08] <sla> been trying it for 3 hours now, driving me crazy :S
[17:09] <hallyn> ok whoever decided that it might be ok for an update to reset the 'don't suspend on lid close' setting should die a slow painful death
[17:10] <sla> all i get from /var/log/dbconfig-common/dbc.log is: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES).
[17:10] <sla> unable to connect to mysql server.
[17:10]  * hggdh tries to repeat the bypass for the changed certificates, and instead opens the door to the Labyrinth :-(
[17:19] <Daviey> hggdh, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/eucalyptus/+bug/627963/comments/11
[17:19] <Daviey> :S
[17:24] <kpettit> Can anybody recommend a desktop search that doesn't suck up to many resources.
[17:24] <kpettit> Been trying tracker, but it sucks.  Even when it's not indexing the tracker-store sucks up 1/2 my memory.
[17:25] <kpettit> I've got 500k - 750k files to go though and search on.
[17:25] <\sh> ./dev/brain and a good directory structure ;)
[17:26] <hggdh> Daviey: yes... and I installed topo1, everything fine. restarted eucalyptus, bang!
[17:26] <Daviey> hggdh, *sigh*... things were looking so good.
[17:27] <hggdh> Daviey: yeah :-(
[17:28] <kpettit>  \sh, be easier if I had that choice.  I have a mess of files I'm cleaning up.
[17:28] <hggdh> Daviey: did you see my ping about vgscan?
[17:28] <Daviey> hggdh, no ;/
[17:28] <hggdh> wrappers.conf lost the vgscan entry
[17:28] <padhu> ! $sudo apt-get install lamp-server^ ; in this command, why '^' is needed? what it say?
[17:28] <kpettit> I'm trying to get to the point where it will be orginized, but I'm dealing with what I have.  A search would make things easier rather than manually sifting through things.  Meta data helps that as well
[17:29] <hggdh> Daviey: wrappers.conf lost the vgscan entry
[17:29] <Daviey> hggdh, interesting... when did that happen!?
[17:29] <hggdh> Daviey: I do not know, just saw the error on 0ubuntu2, did not have time to look at the bzr
[17:29] <hggdh> Daviey: and, since on 2.0 we default to iSCSI...
[17:30] <Daviey> hggdh, thanks for raising this.. i'll fix it in bzr
[17:32] <hggdh> Daviey: my pleasure
[17:32] <hggdh> oh, this does not really sound correct
[17:33] <Daviey> huh?
[17:35] <hggdh> there is no pleasure in finding yet another issue
[17:35] <Daviey> :)
[17:44] <Daviey> hggdh, Hmm.. are you sure vgscan was ever in wrappers.conf?
[17:46] <hggdh> Daviey: at least up to 2.0, yes -- it was required on 1.6
[17:52] <Daviey> hggdh, hmm... vgscan isn't in current lucid
[18:07] <hggdh> Daviey: weird
[18:08] <hggdh> then it must have been added for 2.0 (I remember Neil stating the code was re-written/factored), and I got confused
[18:09] <hggdh> dammit
[18:10] <hggdh> Daviey: I indeed think I was worng, and vgscan is new on 2.0
[18:11] <hggdh> Daviey: want a new bug for it?
[18:14] <the_file> hi im trying to boot 15 computers into a simple dos program thats actually under 1 megabyte in size, and I want this to be done thru network boot, so I want to set up a machine with linux on it, but don't know a thing about network booting.
[18:14] <the_file> was wondering how to set up network boot and utilize ubuntu as the server to boot the machines into a dos program
[18:28] <hggdh> ttx, Daviey: can you search your euca logs for "auth.login.AuthenticationException"?
[18:42] <the_file> does ubuntu server come with x?.
[18:42] <the_file> want to use kde or gnome
[18:42] <the_file> with it
[18:43] <ScottK> It's not in the default install, but you can add it easiily enough.
[18:44] <hallyn> zul: feh!  i'm trying again cause i may have messed it up, but lucid->mav upgrade test seemed unhappy with mysql
[18:44] <zul> unhappy how?
[18:45] <hallyn> zul: near the end of the dist-upgrade, it hung (until i ctrl-c'd) on replacing mysql configuration files
[18:45] <zul> hmmm...ok ill have to look
[18:47] <the_file> is there a package that I can download for the ubuntu server that will automatically configure network booting?.
[18:49] <zul> the_file: no there isnt you might to check google
[19:24] <Daviey> hggdh, not seeing it :/
[19:25] <hggdh> hell
[19:25] <hallyn> zul: i shouldn't have to configure mysql before doing dist-upgrade right?
[19:26] <zul> nope
[19:39] <kirkland> smoser: howdy!
[19:39] <smoser> hey
[19:39] <kirkland> smoser: can you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Euca2oolsTestCoverage
[19:39] <kirkland> smoser: any of those gaps on the right you can help test easily against your UEC?
[19:40] <smoser> well, not *right now*.
[19:40] <smoser> give me maybe an hour
[19:40] <kirkland> smoser: sure, that's fine
[19:41] <hggdh> Daviey, ttx: the certificate issue happens on every reboot
[19:45] <Daviey> hggdh, interesting
[19:46]  * Daviey suspects code left somewhere it shouldn't have been during refactoring
[19:51] <hggdh> Daviey: I also opened bug 628291 for vgscan
[20:26] <hallyn> zul: well i'ts doing better so far - last time the first hint of trouble was at the libc upgrade, when it restarted mysql for the nss update, i think it had said it failed to restart mysql
[20:32] <zul> hallyn: gah...ill an update for myself tomorrow
[21:03] <Overand> Is there a "right" way to add a new software-RAID device to ubuntu server 10.04 - not a fresh install.
[21:03] <Overand> i.e. I read that the installer uses udev rather than mdadm - and i know *nothing* about this, and wasn't able to really track it down via docs.  I've always used an mdadm.conf type setup
[21:44] <kirkland> ttx: around?
[21:55] <elv2> hi
[21:58] <elv2> I have a problem with SVN and apache, and the workaround is to delete or rename libc6-i686. Is this safe as my servers shows uname -m i686?
[22:01] <smoser> kirkland, i can make a pass at that stuff tomorrow.
[22:01] <smoser> been bogged today with ec2 testing
[22:01] <kirkland> smoser: okay
[22:01] <smoser> have o run now.
[22:01] <kirkland> smoser: yeah, i'm iso testing now too
[22:03] <ikar> Hey, whats the command for "sftp" upload a directory?
[22:07] <ikar> nevermind, i found out
[22:23] <qman__> Overand, the installer uses udev for hardware, but mdadm for software RAID
[22:40] <Takyoji> Any have specific webserver hardening suggestions, such as Single Packet Authentication, basic blacklisting scripts, security modules, chroot for Apache, etc? Anyone used grsecurity before?
[22:44] <stlsaint> Takyoji: iptables, fail2ban and deny.hosts :D
[22:45] <stlsaint> Takyoji: grsecurity is nice but is mainly used a larger scale than home use (if your thinking of making a home server)
[22:45] <stlsaint> Takyoji: also if remote managment go with openssh with key authentication
[22:45] <Takyoji> It's intended for a public webserver hosted on Linode
[22:49] <Takyoji> because I'm intending on my making a public service, rather than using it for personal use.
[23:03] <kees> Takyoji: I recommend using AppArmor to isolate each of your virtual hosts.
[23:03] <kees> Takyoji: and to use 64bit
[23:05] <Takyoji> Yes, I have a 64-bit installation
[23:33] <hallyn> SpamapS: regarding bug 625882, can i set the one against rrdtool to same status as the libdbi one?
[23:35] <SpamapS> hallyn: I'll be moving them to In Progress as I work on them. I'd set them to Confirmed myself, but its probably best if others take a look at them and agree that they're Confirmed/Triaged...
[23:36] <hallyn> SpamapS: i'm just sayin',
[23:36] <hallyn> you set it to the one affected proj, but not the other,
[23:36] <hallyn> so iw asn't sure if the other was invalid
[23:36] <SpamapS> right because I haven't started on the fix in rrdtool yet
[23:36] <hallyn> ok
[23:36] <hallyn> thx
[23:36] <SpamapS> it has to be fixed in all the rdepends on libdbi
[23:36] <SpamapS> So probably "Triaged" if you agree that it does need to be fixed. ;)
[23:37] <hallyn> SpamapS: maybe i'll just leave it alone then :)
[23:37] <SpamapS> These are pretty low hanging, easy bugs so it would be cool if some aspiring community members picked them up and fixed them. :)
[23:37] <hallyn> SpamapS: maybe we need some blogging to encourage community to pick up bugs
[23:38] <hallyn> SpamapS: was just doing my triaging and wondering why that one was hanging
[23:38] <SpamapS> hallyn: I think its worthwhile for you to set them to Triaged. The process of reviewing the bug report is important to make sure I'm not just cowboying it in. ;)
[23:38] <hallyn> set both to triaged?
[23:38] <SpamapS> no, the New one
[23:38] <hallyn> ok
[23:38] <SpamapS> Thats the only reason its showing in the untriaged list
[23:39] <SpamapS> Whoever gets to triage tomorrow will probably see it again with a few more packages added. :)
[23:39] <SpamapS> so maybe leave a good comment explaining our conversation. :)
[23:39] <hallyn> \o/ :)
[23:40] <SpamapS> jus thro ya slashes in tha ayre .. 'n wave 'em like ya jus don care
[23:41] <hallyn> yup, it's EOD and getting a little silly :)
[23:43] <hallyn> SpamapS: zul: you know what'd be useful?  a locale hook that auto-creates an english version of all logs
[23:43] <hallyn> cause there are two bugs i can't make heads or tails of :)
[23:44] <SpamapS> translate.google.com :)
[23:45] <hallyn> google doesn't like me ever since i turned on noscript
[23:46] <SpamapS> hallyn: still chugging away with the transmeta eh? ;)
[23:46] <hallyn> SpamapS: lol, no, i couldn't run firefox at all on that
[23:47] <SpamapS> hallyn: why turn off scripts? its pretty much the only sane way to make web apps.
[23:47] <hallyn> bc i dont' trust your webapps
[23:47] <SpamapS> wuss
[23:47] <SpamapS> ;)
[23:47] <hallyn> i turn them on when i actually want them
[23:48] <hallyn> (noscript is plenty flexible to make that feasible - else i wouldn't do it)
[23:48] <SpamapS> The backend stuff is way more scary than the frontend stuff these days.
[23:49] <SpamapS> So many SQL injection attacks and just plain bad admin passwords.. I think XSS hacks get all the press, but breaches on the backend are the ones that will get your data.


[00:36] <ron__> Please say Hello when you join the chat
[00:37] <ron__> Bug Jam Testsuites list link http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/48/testsuites
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[01:00] <ron__> hello
[01:05] <ron__> hello
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[01:07] <ron__> Welcome cryptodan
[01:09] <ron__> We will be discussing upcoming bug jam plans on Sat, Feb 7. We will focus primarily on testing packages and I provided a link above.
[01:09] <cryptodan> oh nice
[01:09] <ron__> Hello ruthalice
[01:09] <ruthalice> Hello
[01:10] <cryptodan> I have finally found employment
[01:10] <ruthalice> Great drytodan
[01:10] <ruthalice> oops in typing
[01:10] <ron__> To fully participate in the bugjam you will need a launchpad account. This allows you to provide your test results. The launchpad link is also above
[01:11] <ruthalice> I did recheck the boot menu on my windows 10 computer and was able to boot to an ubuntu 14 dvd
[01:11] <ron__> Great cryptodan, would you mind sharing your new position
[01:13] <ron__> You were able to boot the Ubuntu DVD without having to turn off secure boot
[01:13] <ruthalice> yes
[01:13] <ron__> Super
[01:13] <cryptodan> I am working at www.dc3.mil as a Technical Analyst for the USAF
[01:14] <ruthalice> I just logged into Launchpad via an ubuntu one account
[01:14] <ron__> For those just joining please see the links above to testsuites and launchpad account for Sat BugJam
[01:15] <ruthalice> could you reenter the links.  I can't see the chat which occured before I logged in
[01:15] <ron__> Will you be using Linux in the new position
[01:16] <ron__> OK I will re-enter the links
[01:16] <ron__> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/48/testsuites
[01:16] <ron__> https://login.launchpad.net/+login
[01:16] <ron__> Ubuntu One account gives you Launchpad access
[01:18] <ron__> The testsuites link shows all the packages that we can test if time permits
[01:18] <ron__> It also has test packages for Xubuntu
[01:19] <ron__> ab3kc will you be joining us on Sat at the Bugjam
[01:20] <ron__> I received some Ubuntu branded give aways today for Sat session
[01:21] <ruthalice> Great re the give aways.  What should we read first to prepare for testing. The list on http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/series/48/testsuites  looks like Greek to me.  I wouldn't know where to start
[01:22] <ron__> Also, please register to attend the bugjam here, http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-maryland/3022-ubuntu-global-jam/ after you create a launchpad/Ubuntu One account
[01:24] <ron__> ruthalice give me a second and I will send a link of the Bugjam tutorial. Also, the reason that we are meeting as a group on Sat is to walk everyone through some of the testing and provide support
[01:25] <ron__> This is the main link to BugJam info, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[01:26] <ron__> and here is the link to testing, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing
[01:28] <ron__> We will focus primarily on application testing and image testing by installing 15.04 in Virtualbox. Tutorial links are on the Testing page
[01:29] <ron__> Is that helpful
[01:31] <ron__> The idea is to have fun while providing feedback to Ubuntu
[01:32] <ruthalice> So we need to do this in virtual box in order to text installation?
[01:33] <ruthalice> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/  has many files - the only ones we need I assume are the .iso 's   - for 64 bit or standard (32 bit) depending on our computer?
[01:33] <ron__> Well if you don't want to install it directly on your laptop.
[01:35] <ron__> Yes just the 32 or 64 bit iso. These are daily builds so wait until Friday or Sat morning before downloading the iso
[01:36] <ron__> Remember these early builds maybe buggy so I would not recommend installing them for daily use.
[01:37] <ron__> Cryptodan are you using Linux in your new position
[01:37] <cryptodan> Not really but I use here at home
[01:38] <ron__> That's fine.
[01:39] <ron__> abekc did you have any questions
[01:39] <ron__> sorry ab3kc
[01:40] <ruthalice> OK  - I know how do use the www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/windows-usb-dvd-download-tool  windows download tool.  But I am not sure how to make a bootable DVD in K3b
[01:41] <cryptodan> ruthalice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tskf21y3_kk
[01:41] <ruthalice> thanks
[01:42] <ron__> thanks cryptodan
[01:43] <ron__> I have sent info on the BugJam to all of the Linux groups in Baltimore, Annapolis and Columbia area
[01:44] <ron__> I hope we have a good turnout
[01:44] <ron__> What other questions do you have
[01:45] <ruthalice> Oh when you burn in ISO image in K3b it is automatically bootable/
[01:46] <ruthalice> Oh when you burn in ISO image in K3b it is automatically bootable?
[01:46] <ron__> If it extracts the iso to disk then it should be bootable
[01:48] <ruthalice> looking forward to Sat
[01:48] <ron__> So am I
[01:49] <ron__> Any other questions.
[01:49] <cryptodan> ruthalice: yes if the ISO is of a bootable media
[01:50] <ron__> After this session you can also email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:52] <ron__> If there are no more questions then we can end this session.
[01:52] <ruthalice> Thanks.  Goodnight.
[01:53] <ron__> Good night everyone
[01:53] <cryptodan> good night