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[09:37] <phobiac> BluesKaj: I got it under control now, thanks though.
[09:37] <nanda> thanks
[09:38] <BluesKaj> phobiac, GParted is easier to use and very stable
[09:38] <ikhouvanje> hai
[09:38] <ikhouvanje> #kubuntu-nl
[09:40] <BluesKaj> ikhouvanje, click on Freenode tab , type /join #kubuntu-nl
[09:41] <intelikey> hmmm i can't make the printer print or the scanner scan or the bluetooth work as a modem when did linux stop supporting hardware and start working on eyecandy ???
[09:42] <musya> can i transfer my firefox bookmarks into konqueror or vis versa
[09:42] <ladonlan> hola otra vez
[09:42] <musya> ?
[09:42] <phobiac> BluesKaj: Yeah, I was trying to remember Gparted's name. What's up with Qtparted though? No option that I could see to copy and paste partitions around.
[09:43] <phobiac> musya: Open up konqueror if you don't have it open.
[09:43] <musya> ok
[09:43] <ladonlan> hola
[09:43] <firecrotch> the_hammer: update?
[09:43] <mefisto__> getting no sound. I have 2 soundcards, but half the time when I boot into kubuntu I get no sound. I suspect my other soundcard (which is not connected to speakers) is active. How do I select which soundcard kubuntu uses?
[09:43] <BluesKaj> QTparted , is buggy in my experience , so I went with the sure thing and burned GParted to a disk ...it's alive cd that you boot
[09:44] <firecrotch> ladonlan: hola
[09:44] <firecrotch> !es
[09:44] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:44] <the_hammer> sorry had an unexpected visiter on my way to pastebin
[09:44] <zetor> hello all!
[09:44] <phobiac> musya: Go to bookmarks>edit bookmarks
[09:44] <phobiac> Then file>import bookmarks
[09:44] <hammer2> http://pastebin.ca/337481
[09:44] <firecrotch> zetor: hello!
[09:44] <musya> ok
[09:45] <the_hammer> there it is
[09:45] <the_hammer> fire?
[09:45] <phobiac> Choose to import mozilla bookmarks.
[09:45] <phobiac> You should be in /home/yourusername/.mozilla
[09:45] <firecrotch> the_hammer: I'm stumped
[09:45] <the_hammer> me 2
[09:45] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, open kmix and check the swirch tab to see which card is turned on
[09:46] <the_hammer> been at it a week already
[09:46] <BluesKaj> switch
[09:46] <the_hammer> it was connected for about 3 minds but i reboot and that was it hasnt ran since and was told to update my kerns and mabe change distro i done all that
[09:46] <phobiac> musya: there should be a profiles folder, head into it and then go to the folder that is your profile. If there's only one just choose it.
[09:46] <hammer2> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.20-rc6-686 |  Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz 2398.076 MHz | Bogomips: 4800.03 | Mem: 335/488M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 26.35G Free: 22.70G | Procs: 99 | Uptime: 17 mins 17 secs | Load: 0.06 0.17 0.19  | Vpenis: 34.8 cm | Vboobies: 36D | Screen: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) @ 1024x768 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 0.11M Out: 0.03M
[09:46] <firecrotch> the_hammer: ifconfig eth1 down
[09:46] <phobiac> There should be a boomarks.html file, choose it and click open.
[09:47] <firecrotch> the_hammer: then ifconfig eth1 up
[09:47] <zetor> anybody here got the error dialog after you start konq after todays updates?
[09:47] <intelikey> zetor version ?
[09:48] <zetor> 3.5.6
[09:48] <hammer2> root@lappy:/home/hammer# ifconfig eth1 down
[09:48] <hammer2> root@lappy:/home/hammer#
[09:48] <mefisto__> I don't understand what you mean by "which card is turned on" in the switch tab. I can select either card in kmix (at the top, it says "current mixer")
[09:48] <zetor> on Edgy
[09:48] <firecrotch> hammer2: that's good
[09:48] <intelikey> dapper here
[09:48] <firecrotch> hammer2: remember that you'll only get a message if there is problem most of the time
[09:48] <hammer2> yup
[09:49] <firecrotch> hammer2: now ifconfig eth1 up
[09:49] <hammer2> root@lappy:/home/hammer# root@lappy:/home/hammer# ifconfig eth1 up
[09:49] <hammer2> bash: root@lappy:/home/hammer#: No such file or directory
[09:49] <BluesKaj> yeah mefisto__ , but which one has the light turned on?
[09:49] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: also, when sound DOES work, changing the soundcard in kmix doesn't change which soundcard is being used
[09:49] <firecrotch> hammer2: try wlan0 instead
[09:50] <underdog5004> hammer2, or ra0
[09:50] <intelikey> hammer2 look at the error ^
[09:50] <intelikey> :)
[09:50] <hammer2> same on all
[09:50] <hammer2> root@lappy:/home/hammer# root@lappy:/home/hammer# ifconfig wolan up
[09:50] <hammer2> bash: root@lappy:/home/hammer#: No such file or directory
[09:50] <hammer2> root@lappy:/home/hammer# root@lappy:/home/hammer# ifconfig ra0 up
[09:50] <hammer2> bash: root@lappy:/home/hammer#: No such file or directory
[09:51] <intelikey> root@lappy:/home/hammer#: <<<< not a command.
[09:51] <BluesKaj> well mefisto__ you can tell which card is being used, so connect accordingly
[09:51] <phobiac> Partitioning takes a long time :(
[09:51] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: I have no idea what you mean. there are "lights" on for various things in each soundcard settings in the switches tab
[09:51] <intelikey> think about it.
[09:51] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: how can I tell which card is being used?
[09:52] <BluesKaj> sorry mefisto__ , my poor memry again , i meant the "input" tab
[09:52] <hammer2> intel cuz im root so i dont have to piss around sudo this and that
[09:52] <hammer2> sudo su :
[09:52] <zorglu_> i think there is a purple cabal :)
[09:52] <intelikey> hammer you are telling it to execute root@lappy:/home/hammer#:
[09:53] <keldon85> hi, I am getting some issues with kubuntu 6.10
[09:53] <zorglu_> all the themes proposed in kubuntu edgy are halfbacked EXCEPT the purple one :)
[09:53] <intelikey> hammer you are telling it to execute root@lappy:/home/hammer
[09:53] <firecrotch> keldon85: what's the problem?
[09:53] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: the settings in kmix are as they always are, whether I have sound or not
[09:53] <goodthing> Hmm, recordmydesktop should be in ubuntu too now it's in sid...
[09:53] <keldon85> firecrotch: for some reason qparted is crashing when I attempt to manually edit the partition table
[09:53] <intelikey> everything after the  # in your command string is considered a comment.
[09:54] <BluesKaj> then check the output tab to make sure it's turned on
[09:54] <intelikey> i.e. the ifconfig blah is commented out and bash is trying to execute the command you gave it.     namely "root@lappy:/home/hammer"
[09:54] <hammer2> ahh ok
[09:54] <hammer2> i see whatcha ment
[09:55] <intelikey> :)
[09:55] <hammer2> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Timer expired
[09:55] <hammer2> eth1
[09:55] <firecrotch> keldon85: is it giving any error messages or anything?
[09:55] <hammer2> fire we got this error SIOCSIFFLAGS: Timer expired
[09:55] <hammer2> off of eth1
[09:55] <firecrotch> hammer2: I have no clue what that means
[09:55] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: make sure what is turned on? I have sliders in the output tab, and they are where they always are
[09:56] <hammer2> me ither lol
[09:56] <hammer2> i just know my system is borked
[09:56] <jcz`> me EITHER hahaha
[09:56] <jcz`> u mean *boinked*
[09:56] <keldon85> firecrotch: it just says "the advanced partitioner (qparted) crashed. Further information can be found in /var/...."
[09:56] <intelikey> me too.   bash i know.  networking, i know not.
[09:57] <BluesKaj> ok mefisto__ , what does it say beside the horizontal balance control at the bottom?
[09:57] <firecrotch> keldon85:  did you look at the further information that it says to check?
[09:57] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: the name of the soundcard, depending on which one I select to control in kmix
[09:58] <keldon85> firecrotch: it says that support for NTFS filesystems is not
[09:58] <zorglu_> q. is there a way to reduce the icon in the panel (the one for the applet), all the icon of the taskbar are tunable, except this one
[09:59] <intelikey> the taskbar has an icon ?
[09:59] <the_hammer> lol
[09:59] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, check sys/settings/sound system/hardware/autodetect
[09:59] <firecrotch> keldon85:  are you trying to resize an NTFS partition or something?
[10:00] <zorglu_> intelikey: well when you start amarok/konversation/kopete you got a small icon in the taskbar
[10:00] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: is that a file? or a command?
[10:00] <zorglu_> intelikey: how to reduce the size of those icones
[10:00] <keldon85> no, I'm just trying to install kubuntu at the moment; there already exists an NTFS partition but I am not trying to resize it
[10:00] <BluesKaj> it's in the k-menu , mefisto__
[10:00] <keldon85> I just want to make use of the existing linux partitions
[10:00] <zorglu_> intelikey: i got a single row of them because they are too large, and this use useless space
[10:00] <intelikey> zorglu_ mmm make the taskbar smaller ?
[10:01] <eyedol59> hello to everyone!
[10:01] <zorglu_> intelikey: nope their size doesnt change
[10:01] <firecrotch> keldon85:  Just let the installer do the partitioning.
[10:01] <ScarFreewill> whats the console cmd to launch java web start?
[10:01] <keldon85> as long as it leaves my other partitions I don't mind
[10:01] <luca_b> ScarFreewill: javaws
[10:01] <intelikey> zorglu_ i've never encountered that.   if jucato was around he could tell ya
[10:01] <zorglu_> intelikey: kcontrol -> appearance -> icon -> advanced -> panel and this is the only one for which the size is NOT tunable :)
[10:02] <zorglu_> intelikey: ok i will ask him
[10:02] <intelikey> stdin maybe too
[10:02] <lunchbox> how do I use PHP mail, if I dont have a local mail server
[10:02] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: and what am I checking? it's set to autodetect
[10:02] <firecrotch> keldon85: it will ask you how you want to install it (either completely overwrite everything or put Kubuntu alongside Windows)
[10:02] <orient2000> for icons and a bar  -  system settings, appearance, icons
[10:02] <eyedol59> could anybody please tell me what i need to install in order to build a C program that needs the stdio header?
[10:02] <andrea_> www.freepenguin.135.it
[10:03] <firecrotch> keldon85:  It will ask how much space you want to leave for Windows, also
[10:03] <zorglu_> orient2000: yep but same things than thru kcontrol directly, aka you cant change the size of panel icon
[10:03] <luca_b> eyedol59: a "sudo apt-get install build-essential" will get the packages you need
[10:03] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, check the general tab thereand see what settings are turned on
[10:03] <intelikey> more errors from kde... trying to create local folder /root/share: Not a directory
[10:03] <keldon85> firecrothc: the only options it has is 1: resize partition #5 and use freed space, Erase entire disk and manually edit
[10:03] <intelikey> trying to create local folder /root/socket-ibm300pl: Not a directory
[10:04] <intelikey> kdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '/root/.ICEauthority'.
[10:04] <intelikey> QSettings: error creating /root/.qt
[10:04] <keldon85> firecrotch: as long as partition #5 is my existing linux partition that would be fine
[10:04] <firecrotch> keldon85:  Well, what is your existing one?
[10:04] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: all settings are default. As I said, sometimes it boots up and works, sometimes there is no sound.
[10:05] <ScarFreewill> is it possable to let java apps run with alsa?
[10:05] <eyedol59> luca_b: thank you very much!
[10:05] <keldon85> firecrotch: I have no idea what is at partition #5, but I suspect it is one of my windows partitions because the size of it is too large
[10:06] <BluesKaj> then mefisto__ it could be a hardware prob, like your spkr connections
[10:06] <zorglu_> !java
[10:06] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[10:06] <keldon85> it is 231.2GB; so it doesn't seem to have seen my existing linux partitions
[10:06] <faLUCE> Hi. I'm trying to install linuxtv-dvb on a 2.6.17-10-generic. It gives me several compilation errors (for example: i had to change, in srcs, a macro called "MODULE_PARM" with "module_param"),,, so i ask: which is the correct way of proceeding? i should patch the kernel or the source code of the drivers? thnks
[10:06] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: no, it can't be a hardware problem. The hardware is fine. It works in windows, and works half the time in kubuntu
[10:07] <zorglu_> !java6
[10:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:07] <keldon85> zorglu_: once you follow the instructions given from java you should be able to pick up java 1.6
[10:08] <zorglu_> keldon85: currently trying to get ride of gcj :)
[10:08] <ubuntu> &nick alkemist
[10:09] <keldon85> ubuntu: be careful not to make the mistake of writing &msg NickServ IDENTIFY ****
[10:09] <keldon85> ^_^
[10:09] <BluesKaj> well mefisto__ , sorry that's as much as i can help , I can't think of anything else except to check the alsamixer in the k-menu
[10:10] <distro-tester> who knows how to use tcpspy here and if t's gui?
[10:10] <ubuntu> &server irc.tin.it
[10:10] <intelikey> revealing a plain text passwd ...
[10:10] <keldon85> ubuntu: have you configured your keyboard to your locale?
[10:10] <ScarFreewill> i don't get it they call gcj free java and they call sun java Proprietary why? both is gpl is it not?
[10:10] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: I don't have alsamixer in kmenu. do you mean alsamixer in console?
[10:10] <intelikey> & != /
[10:11] <luca_b> keldon85: I think he's just pushing the wrong key, probably shift+6 instead of shift+7 (which is / on an Italian keyboard)
[10:11] <intelikey> / != &
[10:11] <BluesKaj> ok try that
[10:11] <luca_b> and shift + 6 gives &
[10:11] <intelikey> 7 here
[10:11] <keldon85> ScarFreewill: both are free, and Java
[10:11] <keldon85> does have it's source for it's classes on gpl; but I don't think the core VM is open source
[10:12] <keldon85> that part [I believe]  is still proprietry
[10:12] <zorglu_> arg eclipse is ugly :)
[10:12] <luca_b> keldon85: Some more parts will be opened throughout this year, but I don't remember which
[10:12] <zorglu_> something is wrong in gtk somehow :)
[10:12] <keldon85> zorglu_: refrain from such blasphemy !!! ^_^
[10:12] <eMish_> I can't find 'mplayer' package.
[10:12] <luca_b> !mplayer
[10:12] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[10:12] <zorglu_> keldon85: it was fine in dapper, i miss something
[10:12] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[10:12] <adaptr> !mplayer
[10:13] <keldon85> luca_b: hmmm, well it's free anyway; but how does it shape up in comparison to the mono VM speedwise?
[10:13] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: I've tried that, but don't know if I can select which soundcard alsamixer uses. it's currently displaying the one I don't want
[10:13] <Kristophe> anyone know how to install dansguardian without clamav?
[10:13] <luca_b> keldon85: I am not sure, but I've never tried mono (my opinions on that can't be expressed)
[10:14] <eMish_> !enable multiverse repo
[10:14] <eMish_> [grimly]  How do I enable the multiverse repo ?
[10:15] <luca_b> eMish_: You need to add a line to the /etc/apt/sources.list (I don't know how to do that via GUI, I always edit it in commandline)
[10:16] <keldon85> but it looks like I will be forced to stick with suse, and their community is (unfortunately) disencouragine
[10:16] <intelikey> !repos
[10:16] <keldon85> *disencouraging
[10:16] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:16] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, maybe someone more knowldgeable than me can help you ...I've run out of suggestions except to use the soundcard that works , not the one that you want :)
[10:16] <eMish_> ok
[10:16] <ScarFreewill> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml when i go there it tells me i have the latest version of java i've got 150_08 and 6 is out :P
[10:17] <eMish_> How do I switch default broser from konqueror to firefox (I already install ff) ?
[10:17] <andrej_> yes
[10:17] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: even if I did use the other soundcard, half the time kubuntu would boot up using the other one
[10:17] <SeanTater> eMish_: try configuring "KDE Components"
[10:18] <eMish_> ok
[10:18] <mefisto__> I remember when I had dapper installed, someone told me how to add a soundcard to a blacklist, so that it is NOT used at all. does anyone know how that is done?
[10:19] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, then remove one soundcard and it might default to the one that's connected
[10:19] <eMish_> SeanTater: for "KDE COmponents" in ?
[10:19] <luca_b> mefisto__: You need to add the module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[10:19] <SeanTater> eMish_: It's in kcontrol -- I don't know about "System Settings"
[10:19] <mefisto__> thanks luca_b!!!!
[10:19] <luca_b> mefisto__: using the syntax "blackist <modulename>"
[10:19] <eMish_> tx
[10:20] <zorglu_> hmm ok so the upgrade went pretty well
[10:20] <luca_b> errr
[10:20] <zorglu_> just the appearance remain a problem after a one day :)
[10:20] <luca_b> I meant blacklist
[10:20] <luca_b> not blackist
[10:20] <SeanTater> eMish_: Alt-F2 -> kcontrol -> KDE Components -> File Manager -> Web Browser
[10:21] <keldon85> ok well maybe the next distro of kubuntu will be okay; so see you all then!!!
[10:21] <keldon85> bye
[10:22] <timohei> whois _anna_
[10:22] <SeanTater> timohei: do "/whois _anna_" (note the shash)
[10:23] <SeanTater> timohei: /slash/
[10:23] <timohei> oops :)
[10:24] <slyfox> Help. I have a file ending in ".chm" HTML help file, what in Linux can open it ?
[10:24] <luca_b> slyfox: Last time I checked there was some command line tool
[10:25] <slyfox> luca_b: that hard...
[10:25] <luca_b> slyfox: one sec, I'm checking
[10:25] <luca_b> !kchmviewer
[10:25] <ubotu> kchmviewer: CHM viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 200 kB, installed size 624 kB
[10:26] <inteliwasp> what is the diffrence between remove and purge?
[10:26] <luca_b> inteliwasp: remove merely uninstalls
[10:26] <slyfox> luca_b: thank you, let me see
[10:26] <luca_b> inteliwasp: purge removes also config files
[10:26] <SeanTater> inteliwasp: purge removes the configuration files
[10:26] <BluesKaj> !blacklist
[10:26] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[10:26] <inteliwasp> thanks
[10:26] <SeanTater> inteliwasp: if you're worried about wasted space apt-get clean would be good too
[10:27] <phobiac> What does grub error 15 mean and how can I fix it?
[10:27] <luca_b> phobiac: What kind of hardware are you using?
[10:27] <SeanTater> phobiac: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Linux_Setup/Q_21772531.html
[10:27] <phobiac> luca_b: Which piece of hardware? It's a gateway computer.
[10:27] <SeanTater> phobiac: oops
[10:27] <luca_b> luca_b: motherboard and CPU
[10:27] <SeanTater> phobiac: nevermind
[10:27] <luca_b> er
[10:28] <luca_b> phobiac: I mean, which CPU do you run?
[10:28] <inteliwasp> SeanTater:  not not space i am concerend about, it's the bad upgrade i did comming from 6.061 to 6.10
[10:28] <phobiac> AMD Turion if I remember correctly
[10:28] <slyfox> luca_b: THank you. It worked !
[10:28] <d03boy> how can I transfer files through ssh?
[10:28] <carsten_> scp
[10:28] <d03boy> oh nevermind, I forgot I am on windows
[10:28] <d03boy> using putty :\
[10:28] <carsten_> winscp :-)
[10:28] <d03boy> k dont think it woul handle that
[10:28] <luca_b> d03boy: via gui, use fish://<host name> if you use KDE
[10:29] <d03boy> fish?
[10:29] <SeanTater> d03boy: sftp is faster
[10:29] <francis> bonsoir amis du soir
[10:29] <d03boy> i like luca's idea I think........... im not sure though
[10:29] <SeanTater> !fr > francis
[10:29] <phobiac> luca_b: It's AMD Turion if I remember correctly
[10:29] <d03boy> i want to share files from my linux laptop to the network
[10:29] <luca_b> phobiac: Hmm, remember the motherboard?
[10:29] <phobiac> luca_b: Not off the top of my head
[10:29] <luca_b> d03boy: best would be setting up "samba" for Windows Networking
[10:30] <d03boy> is there a very very fast and simple way to do that?
[10:30] <luca_b> phobiac: Normal installation and all? No problems?
[10:30] <ScarFreewill> !ping
[10:30] <ubotu> pong
[10:30] <phobiac> Could this...could this have anything to do with the changes to the partitions I just made?
[10:30] <d03boy> i need something in less than about 5 min
[10:30] <luca_b> phobiac: Yes, probably yes
[10:30] <phobiac> Ugh I hope gparted didn't mess up the copying.
[10:30] <luca_b> phobiac: if the partition names have changed, grub won't be able to find its files
[10:30] <phobiac> At least it was only my /home and windows that potentionly got messed.
[10:30] <luca_b> phobiac: Unless you adjust its config
[10:31] <phobiac> I don't *think* they changed, but might as well try. How can I adjust the config?
[10:31] <eMish_> When I do 'apt-get search .', does it list *installed* pkgs, or all available for install ?
[10:31] <phobiac> I've got a live CD if that helps.
[10:31] <d03boy> apt-cache
[10:31] <luca_b> phobiac: You need to check the partitions first
[10:31] <eMish_> yes, apt-cache
[10:31] <coreymon77> eMish_: the command is apt-cache search
[10:31] <eMish_> yes
[10:31] <SeanTater> eMish_: all available
[10:31] <phobiac> luca_b: How do I do that from grub?
[10:31] <coreymon77> and it lists all packages
[10:31] <luca_b> phobiac: load the live CD
[10:32] <coreymon77> installed and available
[10:32] <phobiac> Ah okay
[10:32] <eMish_> ok
[10:32] <mefisto__> thanks luca_b and BluesKaj for your help. I'll reboot now. Pretty sure the blacklisting will work
[10:32] <eMish_> How do I list my installed pkgs ?
[10:32] <BluesKaj> cool mefisto__ , good luck :)
[10:32] <luca_b> phobiac: then you can use fdisk -l from command line to see all the partitions if I recall
[10:32] <phobiac> Okay, thanks.
[10:32] <SeanTater> eMish_: dpkg -l does installed
[10:32] <eMish_> tx
[10:33] <luca_b> phobiac: then check <your boot partition>/boot/grub/menu.list and see if the lines pointing to the kernel and all are OK
[10:33] <luca_b> phobiac-away: you'll probably need to mount that partition somewhere to look at it
[10:35] <intelikey> http://tinyurl.com/36uje8  linux driver don't seem to exist...
[10:36] <angiolino> ciao a tutti
[10:36] <luca_b> !it
[10:36] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:36] <angiolino> ho un problema con i kipi-plugin, qualcuno mi pu aiutare?
[10:37] <d03boy> wow winscp rocks
[10:38] <phobiac> Okay uh, fdisk-l doesn't do anything. The partitions probably aren't mounted though.
[10:38] <luca_b> phobiac: I wasgoing from memory
[10:38] <luca_b> oh
[10:38] <phobiac> luca_b: No problem
[10:38] <sleepy745> what's new in the newest kde version? what kinds of features, etc?
[10:38] <luca_b> needs to be executed as root or through sudo
[10:38] <BluesKaj> !kde
[10:38] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[10:39] <phobiac> Aha, that works.
[10:39] <phobiac> No the partitions seem to be all in the right order.
[10:39] <luca_b> phobiac: even the *names*?
[10:39] <phobiac> hda1 is ntfs, hda2 is Linux, hda3 is also Linux but I didn't touch that one.
[10:40] <phobiac> Yeah
[10:40] <luca_b> phobiac: often grub messes up when /dev/hda1 becomes /dev/hda2 and vice versa
[10:40] <phobiac> Nope they weren't switched
[10:40] <AxlRose> I have a Radeon 9600xt, are the fgl drivers better than the standard atiu drivers that come with X
[10:40] <AxlRose> *ati
[10:41] <luca_b> phobiac:  mount your boot partition and use the pastebin to paste the boot/grub/menu.list
[10:41] <luca_b> AxlRose: depends on what you mean by "better"
[10:41] <AxlRose> luca_b: better performance...you know...overall better
[10:42] <luca_b> AxlRose: fglrx MAY be better for performance, but it's somewhat buggy by itself
[10:42] <AxlRose> luca_b: what about the radeon drivers
[10:42] <luca_b> AxlRose: I'm forced to use fglrx but it makes suspend/hibernate unusable on my laptop due to a long standing bugs
[10:43] <luca_b> AxlRose: performance-wise they're worse, but usually they integrate better
[10:43] <AxlRose> luca_b:  I tried messing with them(radeon)...but then I couldn't change resolution and refresh rate in the KDE system settings
[10:43] <luca_b> AxlRose: Also, they're free (as in freedom)
[10:43] <nagyv> hello! Does anyone know about an application to organize a personal (academic) library? At least with search and annotations/summary feature? If not, do you know about a possible environment to build on? (I was thinking of scrollkeeper, but can not really search in it I think)
[10:43] <luca_b> nagyv: Did you look at tellico?
[10:44] <AxlRose> luca_b: is there a reason the radeon drivers don't work with the KDE system settings application?
[10:44] <DaSkreech> Why would a folder be renamed folder.bak?
[10:44] <luca_b> AxlRose: Unsure, as I said I'm forced to use fglrx
[10:45] <luca_b> phobiac: I forgot to ask... when grub gives error 15, you're given a prompt?
[10:45] <mefisto__> the blacklisting did the trick. I rebooted a few times to be sure. Just for future reference, the lsmod command lists all the loaded modules that I could add to the blacklist, correct?
[10:45] <underdog5004> boo, ati
[10:45] <phobiac> luca_b: No no prompt, and the fstab for the live CD doesn't have my partition in it.
[10:45] <AxlRose> luca_b: ok...another question...isn't glxgears supposed to show FPS
[10:45] <underdog5004> I've got a rage card...can't get accelerated 3d to work to save my life!
[10:45] <luca_b> AxlRose: --showfps
[10:46] <luca_b> phobiac: try creating a mount point manually like
[10:46] <AxlRose> luca_b: it says unknown parameter
[10:46] <DaSkreech> !filesystem
[10:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about filesystem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <XVampireX> Does anyone here use wireless?
[10:46] <DaSkreech> !xfs
[10:46] <ubotu> xfs: X font server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 192 kB
[10:46] <XVampireX> !wireless
[10:46] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:46] <underdog5004> XVampireX, i do
[10:46] <XVampireX> what card?
[10:46] <luca_b> phobiac: sudo mkdir /mnt/tmp && sudo mount <dev> /mnt/tmp
[10:47] <phobiac> Uhm uh oh
[10:47] <underdog5004> umm...Rlink, I think...h/o
[10:47] <phobiac> I think I found my problem.
[10:47] <luca_b> phobiac: what would that be?
[10:47] <nagyv> luca_b: it seems to be a bit more than I need :) it's already installing!
[10:47] <XVampireX> underdog5004: Does it work with ubuntu?
[10:47] <inteliwasp> how can i make the scrolling action stay only on the scrolling side of the touchpad?
[10:47] <DaSkreech> !ext3
[10:47] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[10:47] <underdog5004> XVampireX, RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
[10:47] <DaSkreech> !reiser
[10:47] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[10:47] <underdog5004> XVampireX, beautifully
[10:47] <luca_b> nagyv: I read good reports about it, so I thought I could suggest it
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Blast
[10:48] <XVampireX> underdog5004: Did you have to do anything special or autodetected and works out of the box?
[10:48] <underdog5004> I prefer the zyxcel wireless card...has a penguin on the case
[10:48] <phobiac> It looks like when gparted was moving around the two partitions, it involved copying and pasting contents and then delteing the original, it messed up somewhere.
[10:48] <DaSkreech> can I convert a Partition to a new filesystem non destructively?
[10:48] <underdog5004> XVampireX, autodetected
[10:48] <XVampireX> Hmm
[10:48] <luca_b> phobiac:  as in partition contents?
[10:48] <AxlRose> luca_b: the reason I ask about glxgears framerate is because with fgl_glxgears I get about 600fps but regualar glxgears looks slow, but i can't get an exact number because the FPS doesn't show up
[10:48] <XVampireX> which ubuntu version?
[10:48] <XVampireX> I need one that works with D-Link DWL G630
[10:49] <phobiac> There was about 6.5 GB of data on the one partiton and 6 on the other...both of them (according to gparted) have only about half a gig on them.
[10:49] <surgy> HI~!!!!!!~!!!
[10:49] <luca_b> AxlRose: checking
[10:49] <luca_b> phobiac: Uh oh
[10:49] <phobiac> No wait, make that only about 4.5 mb on my windows partition.
[10:50] <underdog5004> XVampireX, I'm using edgy, but it worked in Dapper as well
[10:50] <phobiac> Looks like I'll be reinstalling windows and linux. Oh well. At least everything of value was on the third untouched partition.
[10:50] <underdog5004> XVampireX, if it works in dapper, you can make it work in edgy.
[10:50] <phobiac> This sucks
[10:50] <luca_b> AxlRose: sorry about that, is -printfps
[10:51] <luca_b> phobiac:  you had /home on a separate partition?
[10:51] <XVampireX> I tried the install cd dapper drake (yes, before desktop cd) and that didn't detect it.
[10:51] <phobiac> luca_b: Yeah
[10:51] <luca_b> phobiac: Good move
[10:51] <phobiac> I'm glad I did too
[10:51] <AxlRose> luca_b: hmm still unknown parameter :S
[10:51] <XVampireX> so maybe if I try edgy....
[10:51] <luca_b> AxlRose: odd
[10:52] <underdog5004> XVampireX, did you google around to see if anyone else has installed your card on ubuntu?
[10:52] <XVampireX> no, but gonna do it now :D
[10:52] <XVampireX> It's not mine, it's for my father :D
[10:52] <phobiac> I also had an issue last night that  prompted me to move a bunch of music over from my windows partition to that seperate one. I'm glad that happened.
[10:53] <luca_b> AxlRose: LOL, I found the parameter
[10:53] <luca_b> AxlRose: -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[10:53] <luca_b> NO kidding
[10:53] <underdog5004> XVampireX, ah
[10:53] <luca_b> I just tested it
[10:53] <zorglu_> q. anybody knows what was the name of the dapper theme ? and window decoration ?
[10:54] <DaSkreech> human
[10:54] <zorglu_> thanks
[10:54] <AxlRose> luca_b: haha thank you....I'm only getting about 265 fps comared to fgl_glxgears' 600
[10:54] <zorglu_> now i just have to find a way to put it back on edgy :)
[10:55] <AxlRose> luca_b: is that normal
[10:55] <mefisto__> zorglu_: I think the window decoration was crystal
[10:55] <luca_b> AxlRose: glxgears -info -iack..etc etc -fullscreen
[10:55] <luca_b> use ctrl-c to exit
[10:55] <mefisto__> zorglu_: still is crystal in edgy
[10:56] <zorglu_> mefisto__: the one in edgy is called 'crystal' too, but it is clearly not the same. the one in edgy put some color effect in the title which make it hard to read
[10:56] <simmerz> i can't seem to get my 1066MHz P3 to go higher than 733MHz. any ideas?
[10:56] <simmerz> standard kubuntu edgy install
[10:56] <zorglu_> i dont understand why edgy ships with a lot of useless theme, like 10years old stuff, but not the one of the previous version
[10:57] <AxlRose> luca_b: still same fps
[10:57] <AxlRose> luca_b: 265
[10:57] <mefisto__> zorglu_: try disabling the overlay in system settings
[10:57] <zorglu_> wow!
[10:57] <zorglu_> MUCH better :)
[10:58] <zorglu_> mefisto__: thanks
[10:58] <luca_b> AxlRose: Unsure abotu that
[10:58] <Skrot-> Hi. Which deamon does Kubuntu use to regulate CPU-speed by default?
[10:58] <AxlRose> luca_b: alright thanks for the help
[10:58] <luca_b> Skrot-: depends on Kubuntu version
[10:58] <Skrot-> luca_b: edgy
[10:59] <luca_b> Skrot-: the guidance powermanager uses dbus
[10:59] <luca_b> Skrot-: can't set profiles yet (like "performance", or "conserve power"), that will be in feisty
[10:59] <simmerz> I can't get my processor to go full speed. how do i do that?
[11:00] <Skrot-> luca_b:  Okay. What about voltage control?
[11:00] <underdog5004> luca_b, that'll be sweet
[11:00] <faLUCE> hi. i'm trying to install linux dvb on 2.6.17-10-generic kernel (kubuntu). I had to change several lines of the srcs in order to resolve some compiler's error, but now i have this one which i can't solve: dvb_net.c:81: error: union <anonymous> has no member named ethernet. In fact, a kernel header (skbuff.h) contains a struct with a field (mac) which doesn't match to what the src requires... what should i do?
[11:00] <faLUCE> thnks
[11:00] <luca_b> Skrot-: on centrino arches, the patches are still highly experimental and not in any kernel tree
[11:00] <Skrot-> okay
[11:00] <luca_b> Skrot-: there is risk to damage to the HW still
[11:00] <Skrot-> I see :)
[11:01] <luca_b> Skrot-: Also I've read mixed reports for voltage scaling
[11:01] <the_hammer> getting the most updated kerns is easy with kubuntu
[11:01] <AxlRose> anyone know of a good guide to get beryl to work with KDE
[11:01] <simmerz> so no way to get my processor to run at full speed??
[11:01] <luca_b> AxlRose: in the beryl wiki, follow the instructions to install beryl
[11:01] <ihope> With the Kubuntu live CD, is the hard drive actually mounted anywhere at startup?
[11:02] <luca_b> AxlRose: then use "aquamarine" as window manager instead of emerald, and make sure you auto start beryl-manager
[11:02] <Skrot-> luca_b: Speaking of feisty, will usplash support higher resolution and more colors?
[11:02] <luca_b> ihope: I don't think drives are mounted by dfault
[11:02] <luca_b> Skrot-: Unsure about that
[11:02] <Skrot-> okay :)
[11:02] <XVampireX> underdog5004: It appears to be an atheros chipset and: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsDlink
[11:02] <XVampireX> underdog5004: This indicates that it appears to be having native support in edgy :D
[11:02] <AxlRose> luca_b:  where does start beryl-manager go?
[11:03] <simmerz> so no one wants to answer my question then?
[11:03] <luca_b> AxlRose: you can either create a symlink in .kde/Autostart
[11:03] <Skrot-> simmerz: what sort of CPU?
[11:03] <ihope> Actually, now that I think about it, the hard drive wouldn't be mounted anywhere. It has no partitions.
[11:03] <luca_b> AxlRose: or you save the session with it active
[11:03] <luca_b> ihope: but by default, no drives are mounted, AFAIK
[11:03] <luca_b> but I could be wrong, I never use the live CD to install
[11:03] <simmerz> Skrot-: as I said P3 1066MHz
[11:04] <luca_b> simmerz: does that P3 actually support speed scaling?
[11:04] <simmerz> it has two scaling frequencies.
[11:04] <Skrot-> simmerz: Okay, does "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq" return anything?
[11:04] <simmerz> 733 and 1GHz
[11:04] <mefisto__> luca_b: I think you're right. no other hd are mounted by default
[11:04] <AxlRose> luca_b:  is this the guide I follow Install Beryl on Ubuntu Edgy with XGL
[11:04] <luca_b> AxlRose: oops
[11:04] <luca_b> AxlRose: I forgot about XGL.... you have an ATI card indeed
[11:05] <luca_b> AxlRose: you only have that option, yes
[11:05] <simmerz> Skrot-: returns 1066000
[11:05] <Skrot-> wtf =)
[11:05] <simmerz> currently running a 733000 though
[11:06] <Skrot-> okai
[11:06] <Skrot-> What does "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" say?
[11:06] <simmerz> Skrot-: ondemand
[11:06] <Skrot-> simmerz: Then the CPU should go to 1GHz when there is demand for it
[11:06] <faLUCE> i've found the deb packages of linuxtv-dvb in /pub/ubuntu/archive/pool/universe/l/linuxtv-dvb . Now: how can i install the packages with adept? I don't find them in the source list
[11:06] <simmerz> Skrot-: hmmm
[11:07] <Skrot-> simmerz: If you want it to always stay at 1GHz, check "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors"
[11:07] <AxlRose> luca_b:  dumb qustion....is fgl just OpenGL or what
[11:07] <luca_b> !repos
[11:07] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:07] <simmerz> ondemand and performance, but i just killed off a load of modules
[11:07] <luca_b> AxlRose: XGL is a (custom) X server that talks OpenGL directly with the card
[11:07] <Dimajan>  !   ? :)
[11:07] <simmerz> all the machine does it run as a music player, but its struggling to add the music collection to amarok - keeps crashing
[11:08] <Skrot-> simmerz: "sudo echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" methinks
[11:08] <Skrot-> hm.. sudo doesnt seem to handle it very well
[11:08] <luca_b> Skrot-: sudo su will do it
[11:09] <luca_b> Skrot-: then using the command directly as root
[11:09] <faLUCE> ubotu: ok but which is the corresponding line that i shuold add to the repos list, in adept, corresponding to /pub/ubuntu/archive/pool/universe/ ?
[11:09] <AxlRose> luca_b:  so can i use XGL to run regular KDE then
[11:09] <luca_b> AxlRose: yes
[11:09] <simmerz> yep that did it.
[11:09] <Skrot-> Could you do: sudo su -c "echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" ? :)
[11:09] <simmerz> Skrot-: i'm already sudo bash'ed
[11:09] <luca_b> faLUCE: in what country are you located? (so I get the right mirror)
[11:09] <AxlRose> luca_b:  will it perform better then?
[11:09] <faLUCE> luca_b: italy
[11:09] <Kristophe> how to go back from an xgl x server to the classic xorg server?
[11:09] <faLUCE> italiano anche tu, giusto?
[11:10] <Skrot-> simmerz: If you add "performance" to the "scaling_governor" it should stay at 1Ghz
[11:10] <luca_b> faLUCE: deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu universe
[11:10] <Skrot-> Atleast it does on my computer
[11:10] <simmerz> Skrot-: yep it does
[11:10] <Skrot-> good =)
[11:10] <simmerz> Skrot-: so how do i do that permanently?
[11:10] <luca_b> AxlRose: I'm not a big fan of XGL myself
[11:10] <Skrot-> It should be permanently now
[11:10] <luca_b> AxlRose: I see it as a hack
[11:10] <simmerz> Skrot-: only until reboot
[11:11] <AxlRose> luca_b: Is it something simple to set up or  is it a huge process
[11:11] <Skrot-> simmerz: hum. Not sure about that
[11:11] <faLUCE> luca_b: i already have it. but linuxtv-dvb doesn't appear in the list
[11:11] <luca_b> AxlRose: simpler than in the past but IMO not for the faint of heart
[11:12] <luca_b> !linuxtv-dvb
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linuxtv-dvb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <AxlRose> luca_b: screw it then :P....I assume not many people use it?
[11:12] <simmerz> i just need to add it to a script somewhere. is there somewhere i can add it that is run during the boot process?
[11:12] <faLUCE> luca_b: are you italian or what?:)
[11:12] <luca_b> AxlRose: unsure, I put off beryl for now
[11:12] <luca_b> faLUCE: yes
[11:13] <zorglu_> kde is nice for its configurability :)
[11:13] <zorglu_> the point is to know where is the stuff to change :)
[11:14] <luca_b> faLUCE: That package doesn't exist on official repos
[11:14] <faLUCE> luca_b: ok and how can i install the packages directly from the http url instead of a repo added in source list?
[11:14] <luca_b> faLUCE:  can you give me the address of where you found it?
[11:14] <luca_b> faLUCE: Not recommended as dependencies would be unmet
[11:14] <faLUCE> http://ftp.interlegis.gov.br/pub/ubuntu/archive/pool/universe/l/linuxtv-dvb/
[11:14] <faLUCE> luca_b: ok, but i would try
[11:15] <lz1gjd> hello, is there a linux version of worldwind ?
[11:16] <phobiac>  Well I've got Linux reinstalled. Only thing I lost that was worth anything to me were my firefox bookmarks. I'm going to start backing those up to that third partition.
[11:16] <lz1gjd> !worldwind
[11:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worldwind - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <Kesha_NNM> !ru
[11:16] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:17] <luca_b> faLUCE: did you try dvb-utils?
[11:18] <luca_b> !dvb-utils
[11:18] <ubotu> dvb-utils: Viewer programs for DVB cards. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.1-2 (edgy), package size 101 kB, installed size 1308 kB
[11:18] <luca_b> I think it has been renamed
[11:18] <simmerz> phobiac: you had a look at foxmarks extension to firefox?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Skrot-, I've been following your cpu performance commands , but nothing changed on my CPU , it's still set at "powersave ondemand conservative performance".. I'd aslo like to speed things up since my CPU is 2Gig and the pc seems slow at times
[11:18] <phobiac> simmerz: Never head of foxmarks. I was considering just using FEBE for schedelued backups.
[11:19] <luca_b> faLUCE: exactly, it is now dvb-utils, I checked
[11:19] <Skrot-> BluesKaj: I've got Core 2 Duo 2.0Ghz, and I've set both /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor and /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor to "ondemand". Most of the time both cores stay at 1Ghz
[11:19] <simmerz> phobiac: foxmarks syncs your bookmarks with a server. allows you to have more than one computer with the same bookmarks all the time
[11:19] <faLUCE> luca_b: no. in the list of files of dvb-utils i can't see linuxtv-dvb
[11:19] <BluesKaj> Skrot-, Im running an AMD64 Venice 3200+
[11:19] <mefisto__> phobiac: I keep firefox bookmarks on a separate partition, and have a link to that bookmarks.html in the firefox profile. that way it's automatically saved
[11:19] <zorglu_> q. any way to make kdesu remember my password for a while (as it is done for sudo) ?
[11:19] <Skrot-> BluesKaj: Workstation?
[11:19] <luca_b> faLUCE: linuxtv-dvb is the name of the source package, not of the binary one
[11:20] <BluesKaj> nope , Skrot- , home pc
[11:20] <simmerz> phobiac: like at work i added a couple of bookmarks today - instead of emailing them home, i just come home and fire up firefox and there they are
[11:20] <Skrot-> BluesKaj: Is it multi core?
[11:20] <MrKimm> Hello people, I have a rely easy but important question about KDE...
[11:20] <BluesKaj> no, just AMD64 Venice 3200+
[11:20] <faLUCE> luca_b: there are too few files in dvb-utils. i doubt it corresponds to linuxtv-dvb
[11:20] <MrKimm> Where do I change my screen resolution?
[11:20] <Skrot-> BluesKaj: sudo su -c "echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" should do the trick
[11:21] <phobiac> Hmm, foxmarks sounds interesting. I'll look into that. Thanks.
[11:21] <luca_b> faLUCE: dvb-driver-source is the only package generated by linux-dvb-utils
[11:21] <simmerz> phobiac: np
[11:21] <luca_b> faLUCE: Got the package name wrong, but you know what I mean
[11:21] <phobiac> Now I get to spend time reconfiguring my ATI card for beryl. Doesn't that sound fun.
[11:21] <mefisto__> MrKimm: system settings > monitor and display
[11:22] <luca_b> ok, got to head off, see you
[11:22] <MrKimm> I dont have "monitor and display" :S I'm running kde-core btw
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Skrot-, it doesn't seem to do anything when using that command ...just an > in the terminal ...doesn't return to user@pc
[11:23] <mefisto__> MrKimm: do you have "Display"?
[11:23] <phobiac> Well, bye all for now.
[11:23] <Skrot-> BluesKaj: hum
[11:23] <Skrot-> BluesKaj: You didn't remove the "'s?
[11:23] <MrKimm> mefisto_, I dont :/
[11:24] <ubuntu> hi i got a  prob
[11:24] <ubuntu> well 2 probs
[11:24] <ubuntu> 1. whz i cant create partotion if i have linux and win ?
[11:24] <kyle__> hi everyone, I have a problem: My kubuntu works veryfine except for when I move windows it lags and my CPU peaks to 100% I think it's my graphics drivers, but I'm not sure.
[11:24] <ubuntu> 2. if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:25] <yamathan> Hmm, I'm trying to find that aticonfig --initial command I need to do regarding the Xv extension ...
[11:25] <yamathan> Does anyone know it off the top of their head?
[11:25] <AxlRose> luca_b: is it possible I can't use beryl haha
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Skrot-, which  "s" ?
[11:25] <AxlRose> luca_b: it's telling me I have no composite extension
[11:25] <mefisto__> MrKimm: try it in konqueror. go to "settings:/Peripherals/"
[11:26] <Skrot-> BluesKaj: Not an s, the ""<- thingies
[11:26] <AxlRose> luca_b: and I had to disable composite to get DRI to work
[11:26] <eMish_> I enabled multiverse repo, did 'apt-get install', and still 'apt-get install mplayer' says mlpayer package cannot be found.
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <yamathan> ...
[11:26] <ubuntu> if i used sudo dd=/dev/hdb3 of=/dev/hdb4 will be hdb3 stired in hdb4 as iso file?
[11:26] <ubuntu> ???
[11:26] <yamathan> What?
[11:26] <HymnToLife> !ops
[11:26] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, or DBO
[11:26] <Skrot-> What about shutting up, ubuntu?
[11:26] <adaptr> !ops
[11:26] <ubuntu> i know it is annoying to read spam buti need answer plz :(
[11:26] <mortici> woot
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ubuntu: use pastebin
[11:26] <adaptr> well, bye bye
[11:26] <Skrot-> ubuntu: You'll get kicked for that.
[11:27] <MrKimm> meifisto__, I only get Keyboard, ice, Printers and Storage media :S
[11:27] <ubuntu> :/
[11:27] <mortici> i just completely cleaned my laptop, took off every key as well :D
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ubuntu: pasteing in the channel wont get you an answer
[11:27] <mortici> she types like a dream :)
[11:27] <AxlRose> anyone here familiar with beryl
[11:27] <ubuntu> i apologize
[11:27] <adaptr> yes
[11:27] <mz_> sorry, someone help me with kxmame?
[11:27] <HymnToLife> !beryl | AxlRose
[11:27] <ubotu> AxlRose: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:27] <yamathan> There's #beryl, too.
[11:27] <mortici> AxlRose: i use it :)
[11:28] <ubuntu> so can anyone answer my question plz_
[11:28] <ubuntu> ?
[11:28] <nickste> is macromedia flash available for 64bit?
[11:28] <alby_> hola
[11:28] <HymnToLife> nickste, not that I'm aware of
[11:28] <HymnToLife> !es | alby_
[11:28] <ubotu> alby_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:28] <AxlRose> Well I am trying to use  bery with KDE and and an ATI card and having probblems
[11:28] <AxlRose> *beryl
[11:28] <nickste> thanks Hymn
[11:28] <mefisto__> MrKimm: what version of kubuntu ?
[11:28] <alby_> i speak english too :p
[11:29] <ubuntu> :(
[11:29] <yamathan> Axl, you and me both.
[11:29] <MrKimm> mefisto__, its kde-core, but I'm running Edgy
[11:29] <alby_> hymntolife hi brother
[11:29] <HymnToLife> AxlRose, as Ubotu told you, support for Beryl is not here
[11:29] <mortici> AxlRose: go to #beryl
[11:29] <mortici> ati needs the open source drivers :)
[11:30] <yamathan> !fglrx
[11:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:31] <mefisto__> MrKimm: I'm not that knowledgable about linux, but if kde-core means you don't have the standard kubuntu interface, you could try changing display settings by directly editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:32] <slyfox> Is - use anti-alising for fonts the same as Enable Font Smoothing ?
[11:32] <mefisto__> MrKimm: back up the xorg.conf file first, though
[11:32] <ubuntu> hmm anyone willing help me plz_
[11:32] <MrKimm> mefiso__, I supose... I would like to avoid that though, since I would like to be able to change at whatever time :/
[11:32] <ubuntu> ??
[11:33] <yamathan> Ah, well, I'll be back presently.
[11:34] <ubuntu_> hi, how do I mount my hard disc from the live cd?
[11:34] <eMish_> What's debian alalog of 'chkconfig' command ?
[11:34] <eMish_> ubuntu: mkdir /mnt/hda1; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1;
[11:36] <ubuntu_> eMish_: mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist... I guess this pc might have a sata drive... how do mount those?
[11:37] <mefisto__> MrKimm: you could try searching for an applet that changes screen res
[11:37] <eMish_> ubuntu_:  /dev/sdaN
[11:38] <MrKimm> mefisto__, that sounds like a good idea, where would I look?
[11:38] <zorglu_> q. i would like to change the image of background of konqueror, where should i look?
[11:38] <mefisto__> MrKimm: adept? or some other package manager you have?
[11:39] <MrKimm> mefisto_, I've been looking in Synaptic for a while, I supose its all I can do for now.
[11:39] <mefisto__> MrKimm: I just looked in adept, typed "resolution" in the search box. there's at least 2 in my list
[11:40] <ubuntu> plz how long does disk backup of 20 gb root partiotion take?
[11:41] <mefisto__> zorglu_: view menu > configure background ?
[11:41] <jarn> Is there a way to tell rm to remove everything but ones matching a string?
[11:41] <jarn> Like if I want to remove everything in a folder besides mp3s, for example?
[11:41] <jarn> I looked in the manual to no avail
[11:42] <mefisto__> MrKimm: search for resapplet in synaptic
[11:42] <zorglu_> mefisto__: thanks again :) i was looking in the 'configure konqueror menu'
[11:42] <MrKimm> mefisto__, found it. But its for GNOME :/
[11:43] <zorglu_> mefisto__: btw my 'panel icon' (the ones from konversation/amarok/kopete) in the taskbar doesnt scale with the size of the taskbar. so i go them on a single row. using more room than necessary
[11:43] <zorglu_> mefisto__: do you have an idea ?
[11:43] <mefisto__> MrKimm: try it. It will probably work
[11:44] <zorglu_> mefisto__: i tried kcontrol -> appearance -> icons -> advanced -> panel but the size is 'greyed out' aka untunable
[11:44] <MrKimm> mefisto__, yeah, bit bet it works, but I cant load a gnome panel applet in Kicker
[11:45] <shriram> hey guys! I followed the instructions here http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide and installed the drivers for my ATI mobility radeon x1300. kdm now freezes on startup. i looked at the thread in the known issues but didn't find a solution. can anyone please help?
[11:49] <ubuntu> ok i need help ply
[11:49] <ubuntu> plz
[11:49] <Tm_T> !helpme
[11:49] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:50] <kyle__> why is kubuntu so slow on my comp?
[11:50] <ubuntu> what do i need to do if i want to backup mz root partiotion to mz home and want it as iso and want have it as large as all root files r
[11:50] <ubuntu> not with free space :S
[11:51] <Tm_T> kyle__: It depends how it slow, also depends what kind of computer you have, also what exactly you're running.
[11:53] <kyle__> I'm running amd64x2 2gig ram and Geforce 6150 LE
[11:53] <kyle__> Sounds like it should work
[11:54] <kyle__> but no
[11:54] <Tm_T> So, what's slow?
[11:55] <kyle__> When I scroll and move windows around
[11:55] <zorglu_> kyle__: i diagnose a graphic driver issue
[11:55] <zorglu_> kyle__: aka your gfx card is not really used
[11:56] <kyle__> Yeah I figured but also thought it might be something else.
[11:56] <Tm_T> kyle__: Hmm, grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.xonf
[11:56] <zorglu_> glxinfo |grep rendering <- type that in a terminal
[11:57] <zorglu_> xvinfo | grep ports <- and that :)
[11:58] <zorglu_> hey after a day, edgy actually look better than dapper :)
[11:58] <Tm_T> zorglu_: I'm moving to feisty in any day now... ;)
[11:58] <Tm_T> That will be a shock I afraid.
[11:59] <zorglu_> Tm_T: me too :) in like 6 month from now :)
[11:59] <rwe> feisty have been stable for a dev. releasre so far
[11:59] <zorglu_> i considere that 4month after the release is the good delay to get the bugs fixed :)
[12:00] <rwe> i remeber before dapper came it was like hell...
[12:00] <kyle_> Hi I'm back... that terminal thing didn't do much
[12:00] <faLUCE> is sys/socket.h kernel's header or just a system's header?
[12:00] <zorglu_> faLUCE: sustem
[12:01] <zorglu_> nothing to do with kernel
[12:01] <zorglu_> kyle_: what was the output
[12:01] <rwe> has anyone seen any release notes from kubuntu yet? for feisty I mean.
[12:01] <kyle_> I didn't get any output. Just screen went blank and restarted my OS
[12:01] <faLUCE> zorgiu_ and pthread.h is a system header too?
[12:01] <kosta2> !j #edubuntu-de
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about j #edubuntu-de - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <zorglu_> kyle_: so you dont have any graphic acceleration
[12:02] <zorglu_> kyle_: that's why it is slow
[12:02] <zorglu_> aka install the driver for your card
[12:02] <faLUCE> zorglu_: but are sys/socket.h and pthread.h used by kernel's api?
[12:02] <kyle_> Thanks
[12:02] <zorglu_> faLUCE: nope
[12:02] <zorglu_> faLUCE: what are you trying to do
[12:03] <faLUCE> zorglu_: nothing , but i would like to know how kernel's api do manage threads and sockets if they don't use pthread and socket.h
[12:04] <slyfox> In Kopete, is it possible somehow to mkae it so that when I close the chat windows my last messages are shown when I reopen it again. Becasue now if I close and open the chat window, everything is gone ?
[12:04] <kyle_> I'm going to try to install drivers
[12:04] <zorglu_> faLUCE: ok :) well for me to explain this is WAY beyond the scope of this channel :)
[12:04] <kyle_> I'll report back if nothing surfaces
[12:04] <zorglu_> faLUCE: but kernel doesnt work like userspace. socket.h and lib pthread are userspace only
[12:04] <zorglu_> faLUCE: userspace = process as you know them
[12:05] <faLUCE> zorglu_: so, kernels manages threads and sockets in a different way?
[12:05] <zorglu_> faLUCE: exactly
[12:06] <faLUCE> zorgiu, but i can't understand why:)
[12:06] <zorglu_> faLUCE: kernel is another world :)
[12:06] <zorglu_> faLUCE: well ok lets take an example
[12:06] <faLUCE> zorgiu, ok but if socket.h and pthread are already provided... why don't use them
[12:06] <faLUCE> ?
[12:07] <zorglu_> faLUCE: you use a socket thru say your web browser, and this web browser talk to the kernel. the goal of the kernel is not to do socket too, but to handleYOUR socket from the web browser
[12:07] <zorglu_> faLUCE: ok lets do it, type "sudo tcpdump -i any eth0 tcp port 80" in a terminal
[12:08] <zorglu_> faLUCE: then open firefox and konqueror and browse the web a bit
[12:08] <faLUCE> tcpdump: WARNING: Promiscuous mode not supported on the "any" device
[12:08] <faLUCE> tcpdump: syntax error
[12:09] <faLUCE> ok zorglu_i understood the sense of what you said
[12:09] <faLUCE> zorglu_: one last question:
[12:09] <zorglu_> sudo tcpdump -i any tcp port 80 <- this is the proper command, my bad
[12:10] <faLUCE> are dvb api provided in newer kernel's versions?
[12:10] <zorglu_> dvb api ?
[12:10] <zorglu_> what is this
[12:10] <faLUCE> api for digital video cards
[12:10] <zorglu_> euhh
[12:11] <zorglu_> sorry i dunno what is this beast :)
[12:11] <zorglu_> i guess this isnt what the 'word by word' mean to me :)
[12:11] <zorglu_> because most video card i know are digital and that for years :)
[12:11] <mike> I'm a linux newbie.  Where do I go learn about Kubuntu?
[12:11] <zorglu_> analog one being the one to capture from analog device :)
[12:12] <zorglu_> mike: the question is a bit too vague to be answered
[12:12] <faLUCE> zorglu_: ok, about what you said before: the kernel is a supervisos of socket connections of the browser?
[12:12] <faLUCE> zorglu_: ok, about what you said before: the kernel is a supervisor of socket connections of the browser?
[12:12] <zorglu_> mike: http://help.ubuntu.com may be a good place to start
[12:12] <megamaced> Does any know how to stop Kate from automatically making backups when saving a file?
[12:12] <zorglu_> faLUCE: well one can say that like that :)
[12:12] <mike> okay.
[12:13] <zorglu_> faLUCE: but it clearly seems a weird way to say it :)
[12:13] <faLUCE> :)
[12:13] <zorglu_> megamaced: there is an option for that, autosave something
[12:14] <intelikey> foomatic-db is still busted in dapper.
[12:14] <megamaced> nevermind, found it in options


[00:03] <brainwashed> personally I try to avoid all the mac os "enhancements" flooding the linux enviroment
[00:03] <brainwashed> just take a look at Unity
[00:03] <knome> !offtopic
[00:05] <nagev> I moved to Xubuntu a few days ago after having used Ubuntu since version 8.04.  It's so much faster, it's like I have a new laptop!  I love it.
[00:13] <girl> ==
[00:14] <girl> == just learning
[00:14] <girl> == k just figured out how to chat
[00:15] <girl> == I just installed VMware 3.1 (nothing newer installs on 32bit)
[00:15] <girl> == now I want to install a lite os  I picked xubuntu PrecisePangolin
[00:16] <girl> ==anyone else running this?
[00:17] <girl> == no one?
[00:17] <nagev> i use virtualbox
[00:18] <girl> == thats my next try but i have been using VM in the past
[00:18] <nagev> right
[00:19] <girl> == so this chat thing...is it for asking questions?
[00:19] <nagev> yes
[00:20] <girl> == K well then i will just wait for some one who has installed what i am installing..........
[00:21] <girl> ==are other peolple chatting right now?  why dont i see a bunch of conversations going on?
[00:21] <brainwashed> girl: did you encounter any problem so far? if now, go ahead and continue installing it
[00:21] <nagev> just happens to be quiet on here at the moment. it does get busier.
[00:22] <th0r> Everyone is waiting for you to ask a question
[00:22] <girl> == i did a bunch of attempts trying to install ubuntu 12 only to find out that it doesnt install on VMware3.1
[00:23] <girl> ==i thought i would just chat while it was installing this new try with Xubuntu
[00:24] <brainwashed> you will have to provide more details, "it doesnt install" just is not enough to be able to assist you
[00:24] <brainwashed> like error messages
[00:25] <girl> on the documentation it didnt say how big a disk size i needed. te default is 20GB I think i should make it bigger, like 40GB?  I can only have that much left
[00:25] <nagev> girl: you could also try the #vmware channel
[00:26] <girl> == oh? do i do that on this site?
[00:27] <brainwashed> joining another channel?
[00:28] <girl> == right how do i do that?
[00:28] <brainwashed> try  /join #vmware
[00:28] <nagev> girl: i don't know what site you are on.  You would need an irc client installed, connect to freenode server, then join #vmware
[00:28] <girl> == It worked!!!
[00:29] <girl> thank you!
[00:29] <brainwashed> woah, 418 people there
[01:05] <nagev> anyone know which dropbox to install in xubuntu?   the deb from the dropbox website or the nautilus-dropbox package in the multiverse repository?
[01:06] <holstein> nagev: are you using nautilus?
[01:06] <nagev> no. i don't want to use nautilus and i don't think the nautilus-dropbox multiverse package requires it.
[01:07] <holstein> i have only used the one from the stie, but AFAIK, nautilus-dropbox is a plugin for nautilus
[01:07] <Unit193> nautilus-dropbox is the right one.
[01:10] <holstein> Unit193: its just the plugin though, correct?
[01:10] <Unit193> holstein: No, it contains the plugin, but downloads and installs dropbox.
[01:10] <holstein> nice
[01:11] <nagev> yeh that's what it did, i just installed it. thanks
[01:11] <holstein> i didnt think we could include it, but i guess its just going to get the one from the site anyways
[01:11] <Unit193> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39K Jan 30 14:07 /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-3.0/libnautilus-dropbox.so   isn't big enough to bug me, and I personally have thunar-dropbox-plugin installed too.
[01:11] <Unit193> holstein: It's kind of like flashplugin-installer
[01:11] <holstein> right.. that makes sense
[01:12] <Unit193> (Quite different from adobe-flashplugin, though. ;) )
[01:12] <holstein> :)
[01:14] <nagev> Unit193: which thunar plugin do you use?  this? : http://packages.crunchbang.org/waldorf/pool/main/thunar-dropbox-plugin_0.2.0-1_amd64.deb
[01:15] <holstein> i have used that one in the past
[01:15] <Unit193> Well, losely, yes.  I rebuilt against raring.
[01:29] <haljhon> hi
[01:42] <haljhon> I'm trying Lubuntu right now... it seems interesting.
[01:42] <haljhon> however, I've found that I really much prefer Xubuntu at my office...
[01:43] <haljhon> It's taken a while but I finally have a group of nerds that work with me and we all get to run our variants on "the perfect Linux work environment"
[01:43] <Unit193> Heh.
[01:50] <haljhon> I have an old contact from work that works for Canonical now
[01:50] <haljhon> I would suspect that he lurks around here
[01:51] <haljhon> looks like it's nuclearbob
[02:02] <girl> == <brainwashed>  hey,   can u tell me how to change/add another channel?  i will write it down this time, i lost it cause the internet failed earlier
[02:02] <nagev> girl: /join #channelname
[02:03] <girl> thanks!
[03:13] <staybased> i'm using a macbook pro and have some issues.
[03:14] <staybased> anyone here?
[03:15] <staybased> uh
[03:15] <staybased> aperson
[03:15] <nagev> hi
[03:16] <staybased> can you help nagev?
[03:16] <nagev> maybe. what are the issues?
[03:16] <staybased> i'm on a macbook pro
[03:16] <staybased> and
[03:16] <staybased> my keyboard may be messed up
[03:16] <staybased> im on osx right now
[03:17] <staybased> when I highlight something then type more the highlighted text will bring me mid-sentence and paste
[03:17] <staybased> for no reason.
[03:17] <staybased> also terminal was opening for no reason while i was typing.
[03:18] <nagev> thats odd. if you highlight something and then type it would usually replace whatever was highlighted.
[03:18] <nagev> try checking the keyboard layout preferences
[03:18] <staybased> ok
[03:18] <staybased> so
[03:19] <staybased> I have xchat installed
[03:19] <staybased> but where does it go when it's installed?
[03:19] <nagev> in the internet section of the applications menu
[03:19] <staybased> how would I know that beforehand?
[03:20] <nagev> you wouldn't necessarily know that, but it's somewhat logical!
[03:21] <staybased> okay...
[03:21] <staybased> so I just need to search every time I install an application?
[03:22] <nagev> you get used to it.  applications get categorised into submenus of the main applications menu.  other linux distros i have used do the same.
[03:24] <nagev> you shouldnt need to search, just browse the menu.  you know xchat is not a game so it wouldn't be under Games, or Education or Development, so it is fairly logical.
[03:26] <nagev> I haven't used a macbook pro but I just checked the keyboard layout settings here in xubuntu and there is a setting for Macbook Pro so try setting it to that if not already selected.
[03:39] <staybased> There is a specific macbook pro setting nagev?
[03:39] <nagev> yes
[03:39] <staybased> also the keyboard layout is a setting under the rat menu?
[03:40] <staybased> you're immensely helpful thanks so much.
[03:40] <nagev> Applications Menu -> Settings Manager -> Keyboard -> Layout
[03:40] <staybased> ok
[03:40] <nagev> no problem
[03:40] <pleia2> it's a mouse :)
[03:40] <staybased> applications manager is under the rat?
[03:40] <staybased> sorry, mouse.
[03:41] <pleia2> yes
[03:41] <nagev> what is the rat?!
[03:41] <staybased> at the top left corner
[03:41] <staybased> the main menu
[03:42] <nagev> yes
[03:42] <staybased> ok booting to xubuntu
[03:42] <staybased> bye
[03:42] <nagev> bye, good luck!
[03:50] <horseface> hey
[03:50] <horseface> im back on xubuntu
[03:50] <nagev> hi
[03:51] <horseface> what under settings manager do i choose?
[03:51] <nagev> Keyboard
[03:51] <nagev> then Layout
[03:51] <horseface> There's one that says just "Keyboard?"
[03:51] <nagev> yes
[03:52] <horseface> (Intl) means intel processor?
[03:53] <nagev> International , probably
[03:53] <horseface> oh,
[03:53] <horseface> so I'm just Macbook Pro, not Macbook Pro (Intl)?
[03:53] <horseface> im in USA
[03:54] <nagev> I don't know.  I would try just Macbook Pro first, then the Intl if it doesn't fix your issue.
[03:54] <horseface> it's not fixing.
[03:55] <horseface> do youve any other ideas?
[03:56] <nagev> no, i'm afraid not :(
[03:56] <holstein> bad hardware is my idea
[03:56] <horseface> maybe I should stick  with OSX until I get a thinkpad...
[03:56] <horseface> well shieetttt
[03:57] <horseface>  wanted to use linux
[03:57] <horseface> but NO
[03:57] <horseface> goodnight
[03:57] <holstein> !macbook
[03:57] <nagev> well if the keyboard works ok in osx it's likely not a hardware problem.
[03:57] <holstein> yeah.. *if* it does.. does it horseface ?
[03:57] <horseface> It does work in OSX
[03:58] <horseface> this is horrect itw it types if i dont co
[03:58] <holstein> horseface: which macbook do you have from the wiki i pasted?
[03:58] <horseface> 8,2
[03:59] <horseface> 8,2 is whatyou meAN RIGHT?
[03:59] <horseface> got to go to bed, also this keyboard is insanely out of line.
[03:59] <holstein> if thats what the wiki says.. are you on 13.04? if so, try 12.04.. try them live.. have you applied al upgrades?
[04:00] <holstein> horseface: come back when you have more time to spend with one of the volunteers here.. cheers!
[04:00] <horseface> how do I check for updates?
[04:00] <horseface> night, thanks for helping me.
[04:00] <holstein> horseface: you can use the update manager.. or use the terminal.. you can run all upgrades and reboot.. maybe into a newer kernel with a fix for your hardware
[04:01] <holstein> otherwise, i woud try 12.04 if you are using 13.04.. or 13.04 if you are using 12.04... try them live
[04:01] <horseface> I'm using xfce 4.10
[04:02] <horseface> don't know what xubuntu type
[04:02] <horseface> probably the latest
[04:02] <horseface> well
[04:02] <horseface> goodnight again
[04:02] <horseface> 13.04
[06:11] <aibarra> hi everyone!
[09:30] <_JuJuBee> I cannot locate the app that manages my power settings.  My screen does not shut off anymore.
[09:32] <_JuJuBee> Hmmm brightness and lock?   I'm a newb with Linux
[18:22] <Sysi> dunpeal: xfconf-query is possible to script, it'll take a little while for me to check it
[18:24] <dunpeal> Sysi: thanks, looks like it's xfwm4/general/cycle_hidden
[18:27] <Sysi> yeah, xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/cycle_hidden -s false
[18:30] <dunpeal> yup, my conclusion exactly.
[18:31] <dunpeal> I arrived at the exact same line
[18:31] <Sysi> I love help cases that solve themselves
[18:31] <dunpeal> Sysi: btw, any idea which file on the disk xfconf-query is persisting to?
[18:32] <Sysi> some xml in ~/.config
[18:32] <Sysi> they can't be changed manually while logged in (possible to add to /etc/skel though)
[18:55] <dunpeal> Cool, thanks. Another thing I was wondering about: is there a way to focus on a Panel "item" using the keyboard?
[18:55] <dunpeal> E.g. I'd like to focus on (and expand) the "Window Menu" widget, which is the first widget on my "Panel 0"
[18:56] <Sysi> you can bind hotkey to that special widget but there's not general way to it
[18:57] <Sysi> command xfce4-popup-windowmenu should open it
[19:02] <dunpeal> Sysi: very cool, thanks so much!
[19:17] <noooooo> helo
[19:17] <noooooo> I want to do the mentioned updates
[19:18] <noooooo> security updates and so on
[19:18] <noooooo> but it doesnt work
[19:18] <noooooo> error:
[19:18] <noooooo> Requires installation of untrusted packages
[19:19] <noooooo> The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[19:19] <noooooo> why?
[19:19] <noooooo> whats wrong here>?
[19:19] <noooooo> how to solve this?
[19:20] <holstein> noooooo: did you add untrusted sources? from ppa?
[19:20] <noooooo> no
[19:20] <holstein> noooooo: run in a terminal "sudo apt-get update" and share the output via pastebin
[19:22] <noooooo> http://pastebin.com/7qvfFVi7
[19:24] <Unit193> noooooo: Now can you share the error you'll see with   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ?
[19:24] <holstein> yup ^^
[19:28] <holstein> noooooo: so? whats the error from running "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the terminal?
[19:29] <noooooo> well
[19:29] <noooooo> Unit193:  i dont want to upgrade my distribution
[19:29] <noooooo> im running 12.04 long term support
[19:29] <noooooo> im happy with it
[19:29] <holstein> noooooo: thats *not* what that command does.. feel free and search what that command does
[19:30] <holstein> otherwise, run it in a terminal, as we suggest, and share the output
[19:30] <noooooo> ah yes sorry
[19:30] <holstein> its does *not* upgrade the distro to 12.10
[19:30] <noooooo> it seems to work
[19:30] <noooooo> its downloading right now ...
[19:31] <Unit193> >_>
[19:31]  * Unit193 blames update-manager.
[19:31] <holstein> agreed
[19:31] <noooooo> update manager is buggy??
[19:32] <Unit193> If you run it now does it still error out?
[19:32] <noooooo> now its installing the new kernel, no error until now
[19:33] <holstein> noooooo: dont interrupt the upgrade
[19:34] <noooooo> ... grub ...
[19:34] <noooooo> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:35] <noooooo> now the restar icon is in the tray
[19:35] <noooooo> seems that everything worked
[19:35] <noooooo> so ... welll
[19:35] <noooooo> the update manager is buggy
[19:35] <noooooo> strange
[19:36] <holstein> well, you seem to have experienced an issue with it
[19:36] <holstein> you cant say "its buggy", blanketly from that
[19:36] <holstein> i mean, you can.. but you are assuming.. its just one blip.. i wouldnt worry til you see it again.. cheers!
[19:36] <Unit193> If you see it again, I'd recommend filing a bug report.
[19:36] <holstein> !bug
[19:40] <noooooo> ok
[19:40] <noooooo> thanks a lot for ur help!
[19:40] <noooooo> see ya
[19:40] <noooooo> thx
[21:15] <dunpeal> Is there a command-line key to add keyboard shortcuts
[21:15] <dunpeal> ?
[21:16] <TheSheep> no
[21:16] <ochosi> yeah, you can do it with xfconf-query
[21:16] <TheSheep> ah, that
[21:16]  * TheSheep forgot
[21:16] <ochosi> but it's not easier than using the UI
[21:16] <TheSheep> but don't you need to know the scancodes?
[21:16] <ochosi> yup
[21:16] <dunpeal> ochosi: ease is not important. only scriptability is important.
[21:16] <dunpeal> I like Xubuntu so much I'm switching EVERYTHING to it
[21:17] <ochosi> good plan
[21:17] <ochosi> yeah, actually you can also just copy the xml file in that case ;)
[21:17] <ochosi> no need to script that
[21:17] <dunpeal> (see how I referenced two different Luc Besson flicks there?)
[21:17] <dunpeal> ochosi: sure, but that's not portable across versions.
[21:18] <ochosi> it's in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[21:18] <ochosi> why not?
[21:19] <dunpeal> it would clobber whatever is already there.
[21:19] <ochosi> right, i thought you want to set up 100 machines from scratch
[21:21] <dunpeal> indeed, but the way I plan to do that is write a script that would run after a vanilla install
[21:21] <dunpeal> i.e. "patching" a vanilla install, whatever that install might be
[21:21] <dunpeal> I want to setup a ton of boxes right now, but then in a few months some folks would like to install 13.10 etc.
[21:22] <dunpeal> anyways, I love XFCE so much, please never change it.
[21:22] <Noskcaj> dunpeal, it will evolve whether or ot you want it to
[21:22] <Noskcaj> s/ot/or
[21:22] <dunpeal> you mean s/ot/not
[21:23] <dunpeal> and nooooooo!
[21:23] <dunpeal> eventually it will grow to be a big bloat like Gnome and I'll hate it.
[21:23] <dunpeal> or it will start telling me how I want to use my computer.
[21:24] <ochosi> i don't think it'll ever do that
[21:24] <ochosi> anyway, even if people upgrade, why would you run that kb-shortcuts script again?
[21:24] <ochosi> i mean kb-shortcuts aren't thrown away, they're in /home anyway
[21:25] <dunpeal> not upgrade
[21:25] <ochosi> and it doesn't look like anyone's gonna break the xfconf api anytime soon
[21:26] <dunpeal> see, John will join the company on November, and I'd have to setup a box for him. if all I have is an XML of the enhanced 13.04 shortcuts, all I can do is clobber the 13.10 one with it
[21:26] <dunpeal> and hope it didn't add anything important / useful
[21:27] <dunpeal> with a script that works through xfconf-query, I just add the shortcuts to whatever 13.10 puts there by default.
[21:27] <ochosi> right, i assumed that you set your own shortcuts and don't care so much about the ones we decide for in xubuntu :)
[21:27] <ochosi> ok
[21:28] <ochosi> dunpeal: anyway, i'm not sure whether the shortcuts are checked for duplicates
[21:28] <ochosi> so you might end up having to check them for conflicts anyway
[21:29] <dunpeal> ochosi: yup, that I will, and if necessry I can change the script.
[21:30] <dunpeal> I really love Xubuntu, it's just the right level of abstraction.
[21:30] <brokenxubuntu> Guys, my internet on my xubuntu is messing up, i have a 4bar connection, yet it refuses to load any pages
[21:30] <ochosi> you can also use git to manage the xml file and just merge the 13.10 one in
[21:33] <nukke> brokenxubuntu: do you have any other devices on which you could test your wifi connection?
[21:34] <brokenxubuntu> nope, just my onboard wifi
[21:34] <nukke> make sure it's xubuntu's problem first
[21:34] <brokenxubuntu> It worked perfectly fine before
[21:34] <ochosi> before what? :)
[21:34] <brokenxubuntu> hmmm....
[21:34] <nukke> did you update recently?
[21:34] <brokenxubuntu> i tried installing aircrack, i removed it, i dl'd vlc, lxde (then removed)
[21:35] <brokenxubuntu> nope
[21:35] <brokenxubuntu> nukke: no internet connection, can't update
[21:35] <nukke> ah. aircrack might've messed something up
[21:35] <brokenxubuntu> ok
[21:37] <brokenxubuntu> nukke: see http://imgbin.org/images/14257.png
[21:38] <nukke> ah, ok, so it IS a problem with xubuntu (assuming all the other computers connect at the library are working)
[21:39] <nukke> you can IRC perfectly fine, right brokenxubuntu
[21:39] <brokenxubuntu> they are, i'm on irc on the library desktop
[21:39] <nukke> what does it say when you click on "connection information"?
[21:39] <brokenxubuntu> want me to screencap it?
[21:40] <nukke> not necessarily. just make sure it's all filled up with numbers
[21:40] <brokenxubuntu> ok
[21:40] <brokenxubuntu> it is
[21:41] <nukke> under "driver", what does it say?
[21:42] <brokenxubuntu> "ath5k"
[21:45] <brokenxubuntu> nukke: ff just does this: http://imgbin.org/images/14258.png
[21:56] <brokenxubuntu> my xubuntu just went full retard...
[21:57] <brokenxubuntu> i don't know how,  but yea http://imgbin.org/images/14259.png
[22:14] <dunpeal> An interesting error I keep seeing, for example when launching xfce4-panel:
[22:14] <dunpeal> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
[22:17] <Unit193> Did you install font-manager?  Remove ~/.fonts.conf and it'll go away. :P
[22:18] <dunpeal> Unit193: apparently, I did not. should I?
[22:18] <Unit193> No, that's an example application that creates that file.
[22:19] <dunpeal> it looks like the anti-aliasing settings I set through "Settings Manager"
[22:20] <dunpeal> i.e. "Setting Manager -> Appearance -> Fonts"
[22:20] <brokenxubuntu> nukke: any ideas?
[22:20] <Unit193> It currently works, but if you want that message to go away move the file to ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf but be warned that Appearance will no longer think that it's set.  I'd just ignore it.
[22:22] <dunpeal> OK, if it works, I'll just put notice for everyone to ignore it. Thanks.
[22:23]  * Noskcaj is away: school
[22:25] <dunpeal> Any idea why the following silently fails?:
[22:25] <dunpeal> xfconf-query -c xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts -p '/commands/default/<Super>m' -s "xfce4-popup-windowmenu"
[22:26] <mikefrett> Excuse me, I have a question. With so much confusion about Mir, Might anyone here be so kind as to tell me what Mir means for Xubuntu to put my mind at ease?.
[22:28] <dunpeal> mikefrett: afaik, not much, which is one of the reasons I'm here
[22:28] <dunpeal> but I'll let one of the experts answer better.
[22:30] <dunpeal> mikefrett: Mir is supposed to replace X, not the desktop manager. so in theory, one of two outcomes is possible:
[22:30] <dunpeal> 1) Ubuntu derivatives (e.g. Xubuntu, Kubuntu) stay on X, i.e. nothing changes
[22:31] <dunpeal> 2) The derivatives migrate to Mir, in which case nothing *should* change, at least not for the worse, barring bugs and such.
[22:32] <mikefrett> Thank you, appreciate your answer.
[22:35] <kitler> how do I restore a user's network config to default
[22:36] <dunpeal> mikefrett: No problem. Of course, if Mir is amazing, you may expect outcome 2 with end-user benefits such as better performance, stability, etc. But in any case, assuming no catastrophe, you're not supposed to have any degradation at the end-user level experience.
[22:36] <dunpeal> And hopefully nobody would force a disaster like 3D Unity on us humble Xubuntu users ;)
[22:45] <dunpeal> P.S. the xfconf-query above didn't work since there was a "custom" binding shadowing it
[23:02] <Xxepicshot69xX> So I got help yesterday from someone who told me to set my keyboard settings to Macbook Pro, but it did not help. Thanks for the tip though.
[23:03] <Xxepicshot69xX> My keyboard functions strangely in Xubuntu.
[23:03] <Xxepicshot69xX> Anyone here?
[23:04] <Xxepicshot69xX> I was told to come back when I have more time to be helped.
[23:07] <Xxepicshot69xX> Does anyone know of my problem with the keyboarD?
[23:08] <dunpeal> Xxepicshot69xX: you definitely need to provide a few more details than that.
[23:08] <dunpeal> e.g. "stragely" how?
[23:08] <Xxepicshot69xX> I meant strangely
[23:08] <Xxepicshot69xX> when I highlight something (not even necessarily copy)
[23:09] <Xxepicshot69xX> the next time I try to type things
[23:09] <Xxepicshot69xX> the last things highlighted will paste in a random place of the sentence
[23:09] <Xxepicshot69xX> happens frequently, no way to use Xubuntu with it currently booted to OSX
[23:10] <Xxepicshot69xX> dunpeal?
[23:12] <dunpeal> no idea, sorry. almost sounds like some buttons are accidentally pressed.
[23:12] <Xxepicshot69xX> *sigh*


[02:43] <bobby> Anyone know when the UI overhaul is coming?
[07:34] <fta2> micahg, ff4.0 needs a patch refresh
[07:34] <micahg> fta2: yes, I did one last night, and tonight it needs another
[07:34] <micahg> fta2: if I do it now, do you want to respin?
[07:34] <fta2> sure, np
[07:34] <micahg> fta2: k, give me about 10 minutes
[07:59] <fta2> micahg, done??
[08:00] <micahg> sorry, the patch doesn't look right, I'm looking into it
[08:00] <micahg> I geuss it's fine..., almost done
[08:02] <micahg> fta2: I pushed it, I guess give it a minute to update
[08:07] <micahg> fta2: got the emails, so should be good to go
[08:07] <fta2> i didn't..
[08:07] <fta2> maybe i'm not subscribed to this branch
[08:08] <micahg> fta2: nope, I didn't know what options to subscribe you with
[08:08] <micahg> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-4.0.head
[08:08] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[08:09] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg
[08:09] <chrisccoulson> have you tested 3.6.7+build2 in lucid?
[08:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, all the mozilla apps were release, but no security info yet
[08:09] <micahg> *released
[08:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just saw that
[08:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I've been running it since you published it there
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> i'll ask jdstrand to publish them when we get security info, but i've not had a chance to test on lucid yet
[08:10] <micahg> aside from a memory leak, which I think was there before, it seems to be fine
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> ok, thanks
[08:10]  * micahg still needs to write a patch for upstream for xul191 branch and cairo 1.8.10
[08:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I didn't fix the gnome-shell/gjs issue yet, so we might have to respin in Lucid
[08:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right now gnome-shell is FTBFS in maverick, so I figured, I have to fix that before I can fix the one in lucid
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, thanks. i'm not too concerned about gnome-shell, the breakage went mostly unnoticed before anyway ;)
[08:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, I should just file anotehr bug for -proposed to respin after xulrunner lands?
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> yeah, can do
[08:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you know what is happening with the UI in FF4.0 on the linux versions?
[08:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, I've seen some posts about UI, but haven't had time to keep up
[08:16] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i was wondering about that, as the windows version is looking quite nice
[08:16] <micahg> fta2: awesome, thanks
[08:17]  * micahg should try the windows version in a VM
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i tried it last week, it's looking pretty good
[08:17] <fta2> asac, is chromium working fine on arm? i see debian has lots of arm related changes and i wonder why
[08:18] <asac> fta2: what is "lot"?
[08:18] <asac> fta2: just build options or also assembler?
[08:19] <fta2> asac, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/current/changelog
[08:19] <asac> fta2: yeah so:
[08:19] <asac> Do not use armv4 incompatible code
[08:19] <asac> [armel] Disabled thumb to fix FTBFS in armel
[08:19] <asac> [armel] set arm_neon=0
[08:19] <asac> [armel] Remove all V5TE, VFP code from ffmpeg
[08:20] <asac> are there because debian wants to supports really old boards
[08:20] <fta2> no idea
[08:20] <asac> we go for armv7 ++
[08:20] <asac> and they even want to support armv4t
[08:20] <asac> which is nothing of real relevance from what i know ... like old routers etc.
[08:21] <fta2> ok
[08:21] <micahg> asac: do we need enigmail-locales if enigmail is shipping locales in a .jar file?
[08:22] <fta2> asac, and bug 539245?
[08:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 539245 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "[armel] chromium-browser's rendering is off (affects: 1) (heat: 31)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539245
[08:22] <[reed]> what do I use for enabling webgl on ubuntu?
[08:22] <fta2> i didn't change anything so i'm surprised it's fixed
[08:22] <[reed]> like, what package do I need to install and such
[08:23] <fta2> [reed], webgl works for me here
[08:23] <fta2> it's auto-detected by configure when the headers are there
[08:23] <[reed]> fta2: didn't you have to set a pref?
[08:24] <fta2> hm, maybe. i don't remember.. it's been a while
[08:24] <[reed]> what do you have set for webgl.osmesalib ?
[08:24] <[reed]> (pref)
[08:25] <fta2> i just have webgl.enabled_for_all_sites=true
[08:25] <[reed]> hmm
[08:25] <fta2> and it works on say https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/sdk/demos/google/san-angeles/index.html
[08:26]  * micahg is off, have a good day everyone
[08:27] <fta2> micahg, bye, and thanks for the fix (another one is needed apparently)
[08:27] <micahg> fta2: yeah, the crash reporter has issues on hardy and jaunty
[08:28] <fta2> ok, good to know
[08:35] <fta2> asac, so apparently lsb_release is slow. any idea of a good equiv for us ? http://bzr.debian.org/scm/loggerhead/pkg-chromium/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.sid/revision/619/debian/changelog
[08:38] <micahg> fta2: shouldn't that be set at build time?
[08:38] <fta2> not this one, it's to display "built on ubuntu/maverick, running on debian/unstable"
[08:38] <fta2> or similar
[08:39] <fta2> that's the running on part
[08:39] <micahg> fta2: that's not what those commands output though
[08:40] <micahg> DIST=Ubuntu RELEASE=10.04
[08:40] <micahg> fta2: his fix should be reverted and replaced with build time substitution
[08:40] <fta2> yep
[08:41] <fta2> no
[08:41] <fta2> you need to read the full code
[08:42] <asac> no clue
[08:42] <micahg> fta2: ah, I see :)
[08:42] <asac> in general it shouldnt be slow
[08:42] <asac> but well ;)
[08:42] <micahg> fta2: can you do version substitution in .postinst?
[08:42] <fta2> asac, it takes 2~3sec here, which is slow for chromium
[08:42] <asac> usually you should display the lsb release from build time i guess
[08:43] <asac> and not at runtime
[08:43] <asac> we do that in firefox too
[08:43] <fta2> the reason i added that is because in bugs, it's obvious that people are running the wrong builds
[08:44] <fta2> like BUGabundo ;)
[08:45] <micahg> fta2: what do you think of my idea about modifying those variables in .postinst?
[08:46] <micahg> or is that not a good thing to do
[08:49] <fta2> micahg, i already have that in .postinst (for the built-on part), but for the running-on part, it's needs to be dynamic
[08:49] <fta2> -'s
[08:50] <micahg> fta2: why?  do they copy the files off one machine and use them on another?
[08:50] <micahg> or just install the wrong debs?
[08:51] <micahg> or is it, my computer can boot 10 different linux kernels w/the same files
[08:51] <fta2> micahg, no some people are obviously using the wrong ppa, or one of the ppa on another distro, then they file weird bugs
[08:51] <micahg> fta2: right, but are they using the wrong debs or they use the same install for Debian and UBuntu
[08:51] <micahg> .postinst will fix the deb issue, but not the other one
[08:52] <fta2> micahg, some are using the ppa on debian, some are using the maverick ppa on say lucid or even hardy
[08:52] <micahg> fta2: k, then .postinst will solve your issue
[08:52] <fta2> how come?
[08:52] <micahg> you do the substitution after install
[08:53] <fta2> postinst has no impact on running on
[08:53] <fta2> oh
[08:53] <fta2> i see
[08:53] <micahg> fta2: the built on logic, should probably be in rules
[08:53] <fta2> well, it's in d/rules
[08:54] <micahg> fta2: oh, ok :)
[08:54] <fta2> i'm not very comfortable substituting stuff in the wrapper are install time, maybe another file
[08:54] <fta2> i will think about it
[08:55] <micahg> fta2: k, good luck, now I really need to get some sleep before the sun comes up :)
[08:55] <fta2> :)
[09:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: *sigh*
[09:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so, mozilla released 3.6.7
[09:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: (hi btw :)
[09:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: jaunty/sparc/xul did compile (yea!)
[09:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: but, there seems to be a sparc chroot problem on jaunty that is preventing the build
[09:27] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so, I think we should publish and push an updated openjdk later
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, they've released FF3.6.7, TB3.0.6 and SM2.0.6
[09:28] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ie, once openjdk/karmic/armel is finished, we can publish. what has your testing been like?
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i need to talk to Arne this morning about the jaunty / karmic en-GB langpack, as the translations for yelp are definately broken
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> i mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, but i'm not sure if any progress has happened with it yet
[09:29] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ok. my goal is to publish tomorrow
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll see if we can fix those translations today
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> did you see the vulnerabilities for 3.6.7?
[09:29] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I'd rather it not go out on friday. I will be testing today
[09:29] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yes, I did
[16:40] <micahg> fta2: pitti has a better solution for Chromium :)
[16:41] <fta> ?
[16:41] <micahg> bug 608253
[16:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608253 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "eliminate lsb_release from chromium startup (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608253
[17:18] <fta> chrisccoulson, is icedtea6-plugin still linked with xul in lucid? maverick? (i have a workaround in chromium i'd like to drop)
[17:18] <micahg> fta: in Maverick should be no, but in lucid, it's in lucid-proposed
[17:19] <fta> micahg, short night? :)
[17:19] <micahg> fta: yes :(
[19:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: still around?
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i am
[19:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we need to decide about enigmail-locales, if we're dropping it, we need to get language-selector updated for 10.04.1 (which was just pushed back 2 weeks)
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> i think we're still pretty much frozen for 10.04.1 though
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> i'll try and find out
[19:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the email today said to bug fixes are fine
[19:49] <micahg> and I think this is on the list anyways
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i've not read my emails yet
[19:50] <micahg> yes, still on the list, so, we have 1 week to decide
[19:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^
[19:55] <chrisccoulson> is there a bug report tracking it?
[19:56] <micahg> bug 572018
[19:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 572018 in debian (and 3 other projects) "enigmail-locales weren't updated for 1.0.1 enigmail release (affects: 13) (dups: 2) (heat: 122)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572018
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, we should update the language-selector then to not pull in the broken translations
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> but the bug report should probably have a language-selector task
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> and i'll ask pitti to remove them from maverick later
[20:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I was going to add one once you decided whether or not to drop it :)
[20:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I can take care of that too now that I can upload :)
[20:02] <chrisccoulson> cool, that seems fine anyway
[20:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: alright, I'll take care of all the tasks tonight then
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[20:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I assume we should upload empty packages to lucid-updates as well so that people don't get conflicts on update?
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> i'll ask mvo about that
[20:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: unless we want update-manager to remove on upgrade?
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> that's what i'm wondering. but empty packages might be easier
[20:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, ok, let me know if I need to work on that
[20:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: how's the sprint going?
[20:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's going ok. i'm pretty tired though


[08:34] <zequence> knome: I've setup a playground site for Ubuntu Studio
[08:34] <knome> zequence, tack, i got the login info :)
[08:35] <zequence> knome: Just trying to find out how to change the language.. I'm guessing I need to do that in a config file, since the language option is not available in general settings
[08:35] <knome> the config file yeah, and then you need to upload .po -file to wp-content/languages/
[08:36] <knome> (those aren't there if you downloaded from wordpress.org)
[08:36] <zequence> ok
[08:36] <knome> if you downloaded from .se, i'd assume changing the lang config in wp-config.php in root would be enough
[08:40] <zequence> I didn't install it manually myself, so the setup is a bit custom I think
[08:41] <zequence> Perhaps that is not such a good thing
[08:51] <knome> mmh, maybe not
[08:52] <knome> when you install yourself, you need to do a few more steps, but then again you know what you did :)