[08:56] <almoxarife> looking for a cloak?
[08:58] <Tm_T> aw
[08:59] <k1l> if you are already an ubuntu member please post your launchpad profile
[08:59] <k1l> hmm
[09:02] <Tm_T> k1l: already left (:
[09:02] <k1l> yep, thats caused my hmm
[12:48] <nik_> Hi!
[12:49] <nik_> Can I invite ubottu to my Channel?
[12:50] <Pici> nik_: What channel?
[12:50] <topyli> nik_: is it an ubuntu channel? ubottu is for core ubuntu channels only, but there are others that might apply
[12:50] <topyli> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[12:51] <nik_> It isn't an Ubuntu Channel
[12:52] <topyli> in that case, no :(
[12:52] <nik_> ok.
[12:52] <topyli> you can get the ubottu source and create your own clone
[12:53] <nik_> Where can I find it?
[12:53] <jussi> !botclone
[12:54] <nik_> !thanks
[15:58]  * genii-around makes more coffee and contemplates signing up for Factoid Maintenance and Review, or possibly Documentation Review
[16:23] <Pici> I shall reign again in my factoid fortress.
[16:30] <h00k> I have 14 of those 17 emails to catch up on :(
[16:30] <Pici> Me too.
[16:37] <genii-around> h00k: The -irc mailing-list?
[16:38] <h00k> genii-around: -community-council
[16:38] <genii-around> Ah
[16:40] <h00k> and
[16:40] <h00k> -irc, apparently
[16:40] <h00k> genii-around: ^
[16:42] <genii-around> h00k: I'm not signed up for the community-council one but I do read all of the others. ( -irc , -ca , -announce, oneiric-changes, precise-changes )
[16:48] <h00k> oh boy.
[16:48] <h00k> -irc, yeah, I think that's where this thread lies
[16:48] <h00k> yep.
[16:51] <h00k> I want to help, or give input, but I'm not sure how or what would help.
[17:56] <topyli> h00k: it would help if someone brought the thread back on topic :)
[17:56] <topyli> we can have another thread for 'ircc sucks' or 'topyli sucks'. this is about the delegation
[17:57] <pleia2> I tried :)
[17:59]  * Fuchs hands topyli candy
[18:02] <topyli> pleia2: i saw. thanks, hope it works
[18:05]  * topyli heads to sauna
[18:12] <pangolin> ftr I agree with topyli .... topyli does suck :P
[18:13] <Myrtti> I hate all of you
[18:13] <Myrtti> apart from elky and pleia2
[18:13] <Myrtti> :-P
[18:19]  * h00k sighs
[18:19] <h00k> Myrtti:(
[19:21] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I love you too
[20:49] <topyli> everybody loves Myrtti, she just loves you back a bit differently
[20:50] <Unit193> With the little /abr ;)
[20:50] <Myrtti> no, I prefer irssi aliases, ie. /csrb :-P


[00:21] <psusi> so the usplash package has 239 open bugs.  It can no longer even be installed in Ubuntu because plymouth conflicts with it, and is required.  Shouldn't usplash then be dropped, and all bugs invalidated?
[00:21] <micahg> psusi: that's a devel decision, not a bugsquad decision
[00:22] <espen77> how do i make a patch for a source package?
[00:22] <psusi> which part is?  dropping it, or invalidating the bugs of a dropped package?
[00:22] <micahg> psusi: dropping it
[00:22] <psusi> ok.. so I should file a bug requesting that it be dropped, and if/when it is, then invalidate the bugs?
[00:23] <espen77> i already aptget source and fixed code
[00:23] <micahg> espen77: here's the process for getting a patch in Ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[00:23] <espen77> micahg: thanx
[00:24] <micahg> espen77: thank you for your pending contribution :)
[00:24] <micahg> psusi: yes, you can file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to it
[00:25] <psusi> micahg, since it's a drop request, shouldn't it be ubuntu-archive instead?  or it needs sponsored first, then to archive?
[00:25] <micahg> psusi: a MOTU needs to ACK it
[00:25] <psusi> micahg, roger
[00:29] <espen77> isnt there a command to make a diff between .orig.tar.gz and unpacked directory?
[00:29] <micahg> espen77: care to hop in #ubuntu-motu to continue this?
[00:30] <espen77> oki, ty
[00:37] <psusi> when using the email interface to lp to change status or assignee, how do you specify which target you are talking about?
[00:38] <kklimonda> it may not be possible to do that, but ask on #launchpad :)
[00:38] <kklimonda> (the email interface could use some love)
[00:40] <micahg> psusi: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[00:43] <psusi> micahg, that's what I've been reading
[04:19] <micahg> psusi: you shouldn't just close all bugs against a package, they have to be evaluated if any qualify for an SRU
[04:20] <psusi> micahg, the package is dead.
[04:20] <micahg> psusi: that's irrelevant, we still have it in supported versions of Ubuntu
[04:21] <psusi> micahg, none of them will be fixed... the functionality the package provided was moved into the kernel years ago
[04:22] <psusi> the bugs were a mix of filed against wrong package, and should have been expired
[04:22] <psusi> mostly the latter
[04:22] <micahg> psusi: unless you've read all the bugs, you cannot know that, it's a community supported package in karmic on and in hardy it's in main which means it's canonical supported for another 2 months
[04:22] <micahg> psusi: filed against the wrong package means it needs to be triaged, not closed
[04:23] <psusi> I tried closing them out with a nice message explaining that and asking if any issues still persist, a new bug should be filed against linux instead, but slangasek said I should at least get the package removed from the archive first and reopened them.  I've since gotten it dropped from the archive and asked him if it was ok to close all the bugs now and he said yes
[04:29] <micahg> psusi: well, that's generally not how most bugs are handled, generally the only teams that do mass bug closure are the X and kernel teams
[04:29] <micahg> and even then, they'll just expire the bugs
[04:31] <psusi> micahg, my understanding is that a bug that does not apply to the current release should be closed, unless an SRU is warranted, in which case, a task against the old release should be opened... in this case, such tasks had not been opened, so no SRU was going to be done, so I closed out the tasks against the development release, since they do not apply since the package does not exist there
[04:31] <micahg> psusi: in this case, my guess is most of them weren't triaged, hence an SRU task couldn't be opened since no one new about it
[04:31] <micahg> *knew
[04:32] <psusi> probably because most of the bugs were unusable/junk ;)
[04:32] <micahg> Closing the task in the development release is fine if it's been triaged to the point where it's not an SRUable bug
[04:33] <micahg> most likely because most packages in universe don't have people watching after them
[04:33] <psusi> also if it hasn't managed to get triaged to the point where that can be determined within the 3 years since it was filed, I think
[04:33] <micahg> psusi: we don't close bugs because they're old, we can't fault the reporters for our lack of resources
[04:34] <psusi> a bug report that was filed long ago, and has never been duplicated/confirmed, and whose original reporter has wondered off and no longer applies to current releases does no good to keep open.. we don't fault reporters for lack of resources, but we don't need to keep open bugs that will never be fixed either
[04:35] <micahg> psusi: well, that's the question, is it SRUable or not, that's the only question to ask when reviewing those bugs, if not, close, if yes, triage fully
[04:37] <psusi> indeed... I tried to make such determinations last time I reviewed the bugs for that package a few months back... and tried to encorage the reporters to provdide more info to help finish triaging if possible... since that never panned out with any of them, it seems that now the correct thing to do is close them
[04:38] <psusi> if someone ever speaks up saying it is still an issue on an old but supported release, I can then figure out of it warrants an SRU or not
[04:40] <psusi> and if it does, open a task in that release
[04:41] <micahg> psusi: if you evaluated them before, that's fine
[04:42] <psusi> micahg, yea, I supose if I hand't evaluated them indivually before, then I would have set them to incomplete instead of invalid, adn let them either expire on their own, or evalute the responses
[04:43] <micahg> psusi: well, if you hadn't evaluated, mass incomplete is generally frowned upon as well except for the X and kernel teams
[04:44] <psusi> micahg, well, what else do you do with bugs against packages that don't exist any longer?  they certainly shouldn't remain valid against the development release
[04:44] <micahg> psusi: triage :)
[04:44] <psusi> micahg, nothing to triage against when the package no longer exists
[04:45] <lifeless> micahg: a bug on a gone package is invalid :)
[04:45] <micahg> lifeless: not if it's SRUable which what I was saying before
[04:45] <ScottK> lifeless: If it's in a supported release still I'd suggest wontfix.
[04:45] <lifeless> ScottK: fair point
[04:45] <micahg> psusi: in most of these cases, there aren't many bugs
[04:45] <psusi> lifeless, against the development release... it could still be valid against an older release, bug needs a task for that
[04:46] <psusi> and yes, likely would get set to wontfix in old release if removed from development
[04:46] <micahg> ScottK: weren't you the one who warned me against using won't fix unless I was sure?
[04:46] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[04:46] <psusi> the usplash package has 240 bugs in lp atm... going to get that purged next ;)
[04:47] <micahg> psusi: that's a different beast
[04:47] <psusi> micahg, how so?
[04:49] <lifeless> psusi: I think ScottK's point was wontfix in trunk
[04:49] <lifeless> psusi: and a task against older release could be $whatever-is-appropriate
[04:49] <micahg> psusi: it was a core part of Ubuntu, also is it just in natty it can't be used?
[04:50] <ScottK> Yes.  wontfix in trunk and just open a task against a release if you intend to SRU there.
[04:50] <psusi> ScottK, if trunk no longer exists?
[04:50] <ScottK> psusi: In that case trunk is a shorthand for "all supported releases".
[04:51] <psusi> micahg, package has been obsolete for years, has been dropped from the archive in natty
[04:51] <psusi> ScottK, I thought trunk always meant development release, and if it was different for previous supported releases, you opened a separate task to track there?
[04:52] <ScottK> psusi: Ubuntu bugs don't say they are against trunk, just that they are against "ubuntu"
[04:52] <ScottK> In theory, perhaps, but if the status is the same for all releases (not going to fix anything) it's a waste of effort and bombarding people's inboxes to try and do per release tasts.
[04:52] <psusi> ScottK, it can just say ubuntu, or it can say ubuntu(release)... my understanding is that just ubuntu meant development
[04:52] <ScottK> tasts/tasks
[04:53] <ScottK> psusi: It does, but how important is it really in a case where no SRU is intended?
[04:53] <psusi> ScottK, right... which is why you don't bother opening a task against the previous release and just set the trunk to invalid
[04:53] <ScottK> I think it's more important to work on fixing stuff than getting the state of the bug database exactly right.
[04:54] <ScottK> I've got better things to invest my time in than the merits of invalid/wontfix.
[04:55] <psusi> in other words, it is no longer valid in the trunk because the package has been removed, so that status becomes invalid.  If it is valid in a stable release, then a task should be opened for that and it should be fixed, or set to wontfix ( though if yuo know that, why bother opening the task )
[04:56] <micahg> psusi: yep, that sounds good
[04:58] <psusi> so I guess next time, I should batch invalidate only New bugs, and any that are confirmed/triaged, should take a look at and get a task opened in the supported release, even if it is set to wontfix
[05:00] <psusi> or better yet, incomplete rather than invalid
[05:02] <micahg> psusi: no, it's not worth going to incomplete, unless you think it's SRUable, and New bugs might have all the information necessary, the bugs should just be gone through to see if they meet the SRU criteria or not, the devel task should be invalid if the package is not in the archive, if you think it's SRUable, you can ask for a task to be opened and set that to incomplete if there's not enough info
[06:50] <penalvch> Please mark Medium Importance for libreoffice bug 505188
[06:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505188 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Impress mis-rotates text saving to .pptx (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505188
[10:50] <game2> bug 662605 seems to have had a relapse, can someone here reset the status?
[10:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 662605 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "dash - wrong count of remaining items to see (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/662605
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:09] <bdmurray> patrickmw: do you still have bug 727410 set up?
[16:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 727410 in gnome-session (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "desktop UI does not load after logging as a fuse user via ltsp (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727410
[16:12] <patrickmw> bdmurray: yes I do
[16:13] <bdmurray> patrickmw: maybe look at ~/.xsesssion-errors ?
[16:14] <bdmurray> patrickmw: also do you have a chance to choose your desktop environment? classic coke or new coke?
[16:15] <patrickmw> bdmurray: yes, let me try
[16:15] <bcurtiswx> classic or new coke... nice
[16:17] <patrickmw> bdmurray: hey hey, classic FTW
[16:19] <bdmurray> patrickmw: so note that and add the output of '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p'
[16:19] <patrickmw> bdmurray, will do, thanks!
[16:19] <bdmurray> patrickmw: actually it might just be a unity not start bug and unrelated to ltsp
[16:40] <CarlFK> I am trying to track down a bug report from over a year ago. bug is: "firewire express card not recognized when plugged in" (same for esata ec too)
[16:40] <CarlFK> I think it got fixed in jaunty, it is broken in maverick and natty
[16:41] <CarlFK> anyone know what package? would have been bugged?
[16:50] <bdmurray> patrickmw: have you used this test case before?
[16:51] <bdmurray> CarlFK: probably linux (the kernel)
[16:51] <CarlFK> bdmurray: I thought there was an "hp" (for hot plug) in the name
[16:53] <bdmurray> http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS330&q=site%3Abugs.launchpad.net+ubuntu+firewire+express+card+not+recognized&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
[16:54] <CarlFK>  "pciehp.pciehp_force=1"  yay!
[16:54] <CarlFK> bdmurray: thanks heaps
[16:54] <nigelb> bdmurray: hey, we have a session the day after tomorrow :)
[16:54] <CarlFK> pciehp is what I was trying to remember
[16:55] <nigelb> bdmurray: I'll probably prepare it some time tomorrow.  If you could take a look and help me with questions on friday, that'd be great :)
[16:55] <bdmurray> CarlFK: I don't see that in linux-source-2.6.38/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt fwiw
[16:55] <CarlFK> bdmurray: grumble.
[16:55] <bdmurray> nigelb: of course also if you want me to review what you have I'm happy to do that
[16:56] <nigelb> bdmurray: I don't have anything yet.  Will write tomorrow daytime :)
[16:56] <nigelb> I'll probably just look at your old sessions which I used as starting points when I was writing a session
[16:56] <nigelb> s/session/hook
[16:57] <bdmurray> nigelb: another new launchpad feature worth mentioning would be the package bug reporting guidelines
[16:57] <nigelb> bdmurray: okay
[16:58] <bdmurray> nigelb: if you goto staging.bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg/+filebug and file a bug you'd see a good example
[16:59]  * nigelb does that
[16:59] <nigelb> bdmurray: is staging down?
[17:00] <bdmurray> nigelb: that works https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+filebug
[17:00] <bdmurray> you don't actually need to file it to see them
[17:01] <nigelb> oh, wow
[17:01] <nigelb> Neat feature
[17:01] <bdmurray> actually ubiquity is a better example
[17:03] <bdmurray> there is also a bug reported acknowledgement which appears after the bug report is filed
[17:03] <bdmurray> which is another way to convey information
[17:03] <nigelb> hrm :)
[17:05] <patrickmw> bdmurray: which test case?
[17:05] <bdmurray> patrickmw: ltsp and logging into a unity session
[17:06] <patrickmw> bdmurray: by used do you mean "successfully logged in"?
[17:07] <bdmurray> patrickmw: yes, have you ever logged in before and had unity running as an ltsp client?
[17:07] <patrickmw> bdmurray: not with unity
[17:07] <bdmurray> patrickmw: but unity runs in virtualbox fine?
[17:07] <patrickmw> yes
[17:08] <bdmurray> okay
[17:09] <patrickmw> bdmurray: you gave me an idea for something to try
[17:09] <patrickmw> bdmurray: standby :)
[17:13] <patrickmw> bdmurray: I installed the vbox guest additions to see if that would change anything.  It did not.
[17:14] <bdmurray> stgraber: do you think unity should work on an ltsp client?
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Reminder: QA meeting at 18:00 UTC in #ubuntu-quality
[17:55] <njin> Hello, can someone set bug 726008 to medium for me, thanks
[17:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 726008 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: enable_distro_comp() got multiple values for keyword argument 'component' (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 1766)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726008
[17:58] <stgraber> bdmurray: nope, ltsp should use a classic gnome desktop, I thought didrocks fixed that
[17:59] <stgraber> bdmurray: with some specific hardware it "should" work (like full-intel hardware)
[18:00] <bdmurray> stgraber: okay, thanks for the help!
[18:07] <camelinahat> I'm a little confused.. I'm new to BugSquad and looking at the mentorship program. I can't see to figure out how to edit my Ubuntu-WikiPage (Or what should be on it once I have)
[18:28] <camelinahat> Is there anyone about who is comfortable with the ubuntu wiki able to assist me? I'm also getting weird errors when trying to update UserPreferences (e-mail is already in use)
[18:32] <yofel> camelinahat: for the wiki just go to the page that you want to be your new wiki page and click on the link to create it
[18:33] <camelinahat> yofel: I notice when I login it uses my launchpad.net userID should I use that as my wiki page or a more accurate WikiName?
[18:34] <yofel> I used my real name, but there's no rule on that, some people used their ID too
[18:34] <camelinahat> Any thoughts on why when I update my UserPreferences I'm getting an error that my e-mail address is already in use? (At no point do I even see an option for e-mail address)
[18:35] <yofel> what user preferences, the wiki ones?
[18:35] <camelinahat> Yep.
[18:35] <charlie-tca> since everything is tied to OpenID, it will use whatever email address you gave launchpad
[18:36] <camelinahat> charlie-tca: But the Launchpad one has no problem with my e-mail (no warnings/alerts that it's duplicated/already in use) only on the Wiki
[18:36] <charlie-tca> weird
[18:37] <yofel> camelinahat: just where do you try to set that? I can't find it in my wiki preferences
[18:38] <camelinahat> yofel: I added a Quick Link, (changed no other options), hit "save" and receive an alert near the top that says "This email already belongs to somebody else. Clear message"
[18:39] <yofel> ah, I have no quick links set
[19:31] <penalvch> Regarding bug 618024 the OP upgraded to Maverick OOo which fixed the problem, and it's fixed in LibreOffice PPA & Natty. This looks like Fixed Released w/ not SRU or Backportable response. What do you think?
[19:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 618024 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[(U)OOo 3.2.1 Generated PDF-Files cannot be printed with Adobe Reader (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618024
[19:38] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.de/OeMm/  [ 2400.930093] Call Trace:[ 2400.930101]  [<ffffffff815befad>] schedule_timeout+0x26d/0x2e0
[19:40] <CarlFK> im bugging it - anyone want me to do anything before i reboot?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> right channel?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Is it a bug that is filed?
[19:42] <CarlFK> charlie-tca: not yet... looking for the cli tool
[19:42] <CarlFK> apport-cli
[19:43] <CarlFK> "No pending crash reports."
[19:44] <charlie-tca> there is always https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[19:44] <charlie-tca> file without apport
[21:41] <AndrewGee> Hi. I believe bug 728051 should be changed to wishlist importance. I have forwarded the bug upstream.
[21:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728051 in quodlibet (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Relocate files according to metadata (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728051
[22:04] <CarlFK> bug 728033 -
[22:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728033 in linux (Ubuntu) "firewire - "blocked for more than 120 seconds" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728033
[22:04] <CarlFK> whats the markup to make a ref to another bug?  #371434 didn't work.
[22:05] <yofel> literally 'bug 371434'
[22:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 371434 in linux (Ubuntu) "PCI ExpressCard hotplug requires pciehp.pciehp_force=1 (affects: 16) (dups: 3) (heat: 101)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371434
[22:05] <CarlFK> thanks
[22:05] <yofel> # does nothing
[22:17] <CarlFK> natty install, pretty sure this is under 24 hours old: Mar  2 16:12:29 dhcp45 gnome-session[1543]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/canberra-gtk-play" (No such file or directory)
[22:18] <CarlFK> what package should I bug?
[22:18] <micahg> CarlFK: dpkg -S libcanberra-login-sound.desktop
[22:18] <CarlFK> thanks
[22:18] <seb128> CarlFK, it's a known bug
[22:19] <seb128> check the libcanberra open bugs if you want it
[22:19] <CarlFK> seb128: more thanks.  i'll ignore it then.
[22:36] <CarlFK> This preeseed line no longer works: d-i apt-setup/local1/repository string http://ppa.launchpad.net/carlfk/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[22:36] <CarlFK> known?  what do I bug?  did I stuff something up?
[22:37] <CarlFK> local0 line didn't get included either (only 2 I had in preeseed fiile)
[22:49] <javahorn> hi
[22:49] <javahorn> http://www.voria.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4409 -- this issue i am facing, what is the way out?
[23:02] <javahorn> hello..
[23:19] <javahorn> hello..
[23:24] <charlie-tca> javahorn: usually, you will get better responses to support in #ubuntu
[23:25] <javahorn> charlie-tca: they directed here!
[23:25] <javahorn> any idea for bug?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Is there a bug filed?
[23:25] <javahorn> http://www.voria.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4409
[23:26] <charlie-tca> that is not an Ubuntu bug report
[23:26] <charlie-tca> file a bug using "ubuntu-bug linux" in a terminal, explain what is wrong, and let the developers see if they can fix it.
[23:28] <javahorn> charlie-tca: i am lost
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu developers will not work on fixing something from a forum somewhere. They work on fixing bugs filed.
[23:31] <charlie-tca> The way to report the issue is to file a bug.
[23:31] <charlie-tca> That lets the developers know there is a problem, and they can work on it.
[23:32] <charlie-tca> You are giving a reference to someone's forum, and asking for a fix for it. It doesn't happen that way.
[23:41] <javahorn> charlie-tca: gmail account comes under OpenID?
[23:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[23:45] <javahorn> sorry i expected more support from ubuntu here or #ubuntu, my windows crashed and i came to ubuntu and no one seem that willing to help out!
[23:48] <chilicuil> hi there, what should I do if I want to fix some typos in po/ files?, in bug 725217 typos are in html & po files, the patch attached modify the html files but not the po/ ones, should I fix them as well, or is any other path I should follow?
[23:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 725217 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Typos in Edubuntu 11.04 slideshow (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725217
[23:48] <charlie-tca> I am sorry you feel that way, but giving a forum reference and saying fix this, just is not a good way to look for help.
[23:49] <javahorn> charlie-tca: sorry, i did not know the norm here, i will file it
[23:49] <charlie-tca> chilicuil: not sure here. Might check with transations, #ubuntu-translations, I think it is, to make sure
[23:50] <charlie-tca> They deal with the po files, to the best of my knowledge
[23:51] <chilicuil> charlie-tca: I'll do it, thx
[23:51] <charlie-tca> javahorn: all of us are volunteers, both here and in #ubuntu. We just don't have the ability to drop everything to try and fix things
[23:52] <javahorn> charlie-tca: accepted, but seeing its prevalence i thought it will be easy go
[23:52] <charlie-tca> It is only prevalent if you own that machine. I never seen it before
[23:54] <javahorn> charlie-tca: to gain ubiquity(sounding bit same to ubuntu, at least first part), it has to run on all kinds of machine!


[21:20] <Chriffer_> Is there anything to play with yet, the wiki pages aren't too clear on anything?
[21:25] <InSearchOf> Chriffer_, AFAIK, the team wont be back until tomorrow...
[21:25] <InSearchOf> you might get an answer now... but I would ask again tomorrow
[21:27] <Chriffer_> Theres no one who would know if this project has released ANYTHING?
[23:21] <InSearchOf> asac, you guys back to work?


[00:39] <mister2> hello?
[00:39] <mister2> is anybody here?
[00:40] <mister2> kinda need some help
[00:40] <mister2> hhheeeeeerrrrllllloooooooooooooooooooo?
[00:41] <jhg> whats up?
[00:42] <jhg> mister2: whats up?
[00:44] <mister2> aha
[00:44] <mister2> there is someone
[00:44] <mister2> uh
[00:45] <goofey> mister2: you will be much more successful is you just state the problem your having or ask the questoin you have rather than aksing if someone is around
[00:45] <mister2> i was wondering how to see packaging dependencies via commandline
[00:45] <mister2> i realised that
[00:45] <goofey> mister2: apt-cache search package_name
[00:45] <mister2> i also realised i could have just used the command to see al users
[00:45] <mister2> sweet
[00:45] <mister2> thanks
[00:46] <goofey> mister2: oops, apt-cache showpkg package_name
[00:46] <goofey> MianoSM: np
[00:46] <goofey> dang, he left
[00:46] <steelcityjim> ok my server I believe has suddenly stopped working can any give me some direction on how to troubleshoot
[00:47] <goofey> steelcityjim: what makes you think it has stopped working?  I only ask because you say you believe is has - maybe not sure?
[00:47] <steelcityjim> well my website is not coming up
[00:47] <steelcityjim> so im assuming the server ain't working
[00:48] <goofey> so you have physical access to the server?
[00:48] <goofey> er, do?
[00:48] <steelcityjim> yes
[00:49] <steelcityjim> well what do you mean by physical
[00:49] <goofey> is the computer running?
[00:49] <steelcityjim> yes
[00:49] <goofey> ok, can you ping it?
[00:49] <goofey> this tells us if the OS is frozen or just the webserver
[00:49] <goofey> or maybe network or?
[00:50] <goofey> lots of reasons why a wesbite won't load
[00:50] <steelcityjim> well I can acess the desktop on the server
[00:50] <goofey> er, website
[00:50] <goofey> ok, the OS is running
[00:50] <steelcityjim> yes
[00:50] <steelcityjim> ubuntu
[00:50] <goofey> let's see if the webserver is still running - try ps -ef | grep apache
[00:54] <steelcityjim> hang on
[00:54] <goofey> k
[00:57] <genii> In a .pinerc file, trying to make a line like : inbox-path={mail.mydomain.tld/notls/novalidate-cert/user=$USER}INBOX       however, "$USER" gets translated to a colon for some reason. Is it pine/alpine internal parser of it's config file doing this or am I missing something?
[00:59] <goofey> steelcityjim: if it is still running, you might look in /var/log/apache2/error.log for errors
[00:59] <steelcityjim> I cant get this fing hub to switch
[00:59] <genii> (I am wanting to make a generalised solution so that there won't have to be a separate inbox-path={mail.mydomain.tld/notls/novalidate-cert/user=fullusername}INBOX     kind of deal for each user
[01:01] <steelcityjim> I have a kvm switch and I can't get it to switch over to the server now
[01:05] <goofey> steelcityjim: can you ssh into the server?
[01:08] <steelcityjim> let me try
[01:10] <steelcityjim> no wont connect
[01:11] <goofey> steelcityjim: you either have a network issue or the OS is locking up
[01:11] <goofey> steelcityjim: the KVM problems seems to point to the OS locking up
[01:11] <goofey> steelcityjim: does the server respond to ping?
[01:11] <steelcityjim> how do I do that
[01:12] <goofey> ping "ip address of server"
[01:12] <goofey> ie: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:13] <steelcityjim> ok I am able to access the file share through the network
[01:14] <goofey> steelcityjim: you have contradictory information - you can access share files, but are unable to ssh or view web pages
[01:14] <steelcityjim> yes
[01:15] <steelcityjim> ssh will not connect
[01:15] <goofey> steelcityjim: and your kvm won't switch to that computer
[01:15] <goofey> steelcityjim: but you've ssh'ed to that box before, right?
[01:15] <steelcityjim> well the kvm is a keybaord issue
[01:15] <steelcityjim> yes I have ssh the server
[01:16] <goofey> steelcityjim: best thing (i think) would be plug a keyboard/monitor directly into the server to find out what's going on - my guess is maybe you ran out of disk space or ?????
[01:16] <goofey> or fix the jeyboard so you can use the kvm
[01:16] <goofey> otherwise it's hard to diagnose without ssh access
[01:17] <steelcityjim> ok got on the sever
[01:17] <steelcityjim> now what?
[01:18] <goofey> let's see if apache and ssh are running
[01:18] <goofey> ps -ef | grep apache and ps -ef | grep ssh
[01:19] <goofey> also check df -h to make sure none of your disks are full
[01:19] <steelcityjim> ok did ps -ef
[01:19] <steelcityjim> bunch of stuff listed
[01:20] <giovani3> he wanted you to run " ps -ef | grep apache"
[01:20] <giovani3> so you could filter out all of the "stuff" that wasn't apache
[01:20] <goofey> that's what the "| grep apache" is for, it pulls out lines that have the word apache in them
[01:20] <goofey> giovani3: thanks
[01:20] <steelcityjim> what is that line?
[01:21] <goofey> ps -ef | grep apache
[01:21] <steelcityjim> I don't see the vertical line on my keyboard
[01:21] <giovani3> just copy-paste
[01:21] <goofey> shift \
[01:21] <giovani3> but, the vertical line is called a pipe, and is usually shift- and then the key above your enter/return key
[01:21] <goofey> on most keyboards
[01:21] <steelcityjim> ok got it
[01:22] <steelcityjim> 6 or 7 lines came up
[01:22] <goofey> ok, your webserver is running
[01:22] <steelcityjim> www-data
[01:22] <goofey> let's try:
[01:22] <goofey> ps -ef | grep ssh
[01:22] <steelcityjim> one line came up
[01:23] <goofey> strange
[01:23] <goofey> your network appears to be working because you can access files on the server
[01:23] <steelcityjim> jim 19384 19314 0 20:22 pts/0 00:00:00 grep ssh
[01:23] <giovani3> heh
[01:24] <giovani3> no, ssh isn't running :)
[01:24] <steelcityjim> actually wait 3 lines came up
[01:24] <steelcityjim> root
[01:24] <giovani3> ok ... paste them
[01:24] <goofey> giovani3: ahh, right - thanks!
[01:24] <goofey> ubottu: !paste | steelcityjim
[01:26] <steelcityjim> http:..paste.ubuntu.com/131786
[01:27] <giovani3> heh
[01:27] <giovani3> ok, ssh is running
[01:27] <steelcityjim> im also using no-ip.org as my domain provider
[01:28] <giovani3> run ipconfig on the server
[01:28] <giovani3> and paste the output in ubuntu's pastebin again
[01:28] <steelcityjim> do I do that from terminal?
[01:28] <steelcityjim> ipconfig?
[01:29] <giovani3> yes
[01:29] <giovani3> sorry, ifconfig
[01:29] <giovani3> wrong OS :)
[01:30] <steelcityjim> 131787
[01:30] <giovani3> uh ... this is NATed?
[01:30] <giovani3> that's an internal IP
[01:30] <giovani3> I'm betting you didn't forward your SSH port (properly) -- port 22
[01:35] <steelcityjim> well I had a router issue last week
[01:35] <steelcityjim> I just checked the 22 and 80 ports and they had the wrong ip address
[01:35] <steelcityjim> I cahnged them but it still does not appear to be working
[01:40] <steelcityjim> ok im able to access the html pages from the server via ubuntu desktop
[01:47] <steelcityjim> im running this through no-ip.org since I don't have a dns address
[01:52] <steelcityjim> i wonder if my isp is blocking this
[01:54] <steelcityjim> port 80 is the incoming internet traffic correct
[02:03] <goofey> steelcityjim: most isp's do block that port
[02:04] <timburke> steelcityjim is everything correctly forwarded?
[02:04] <steelcityjim> yes it was working
[02:04] <timburke> hmm... who is your ISP
[02:04] <steelcityjim> dls.net
[02:05] <steelcityjim> they offer webhosting so Im wondering if they don't allow it from a residential account
[02:05] <timburke> Residential DLS wireless subscribers may not use their wireless connections to run programs or servers that provide network content or connectivity to any 3rd party not at the location where the connection is installed. Examples of prohibited programs include, but are not limited to, mail, FTP, HTTP, game, newsgroup, proxy, and IRC servers. DLS reminds its customers that illegally distributing copyrighted material over any medium is against U.S
[02:06] <steelcityjim> dude
[02:07] <steelcityjim> so I can't remote access my own files?
[02:07] <timburke> nope
[02:07] <steelcityjim> wtf
[02:07] <timburke> you might want to get AT&T's DSL service.. I believe they serve your area.. they allow servers
[02:08] <steelcityjim> yea i know a few that have that service
[02:08] <steelcityjim> its a pita
[02:08] <timburke> I personally have Comcast Business.. and run servers off of it - works great
[02:08] <steelcityjim> dude I feel censored
[02:09] <timburke> steelcityjim: well, you're using your ISP's network.. they can do what they want with the network
[02:09] <steelcityjim> but I have not files on the webpage
[02:09] <steelcityjim> no
[02:09] <steelcityjim> its just a lame webpage
[02:10] <timburke> steelcityjim then why not get a cheap webhosting account... http://nearlyfreespeech.net for example
[02:10] <steelcityjim> well i was trying to learn how to do it myself
[02:10] <steelcityjim> since I have the extra equipment laying around
[02:10] <timburke> you could colo it
[02:11] <timburke> there are several good colo providers here in the chicago area
[02:11] <steelcityjim> what does colo mean?
[02:11] <timburke> colocation
[02:11] <timburke> you ship the server off to a provider that will host it
[02:12] <steelcityjim> oh im sure they would love my 10 year old compaq pentium 3 showing up
[02:12] <timburke> haha
[02:12] <steelcityjim> they would probably ship it right back
[02:13] <steelcityjim> so that explains why my site won't come up they somehow have it blocked
[02:13] <timburke> either that or you incorrectly configured your router
[02:13] <steelcityjim> I did have try downloading a few files rmotely
[02:13] <steelcityjim> they must have seen it on thier end and snipped it
[02:13] <timburke> regardless, this isn't the place to discuss it.. this is only a room to talk about and get support about ubuntu server
[02:14] <timburke> try #2,000
[02:14] <steelcityjim> understood timburke
[02:14] <steelcityjim> thanks for the assistance
[02:14] <timburke> no problem
[03:27] <Mal3ko> doesnt PAE allow 32 bit server to see 4gb ram?
[03:32] <genii> Mal3ko: Yes, far more than 4Gb. But individual processes are still limited to 32bit memory usage
[03:33] <Mal3ko> i exec free -m and i only see 3282
[03:34] <Mal3ko> why i dont see 4096?
[03:38] <genii> Mal3ko: Does:  lshw -C cpu              show in the line of: Capabilities         pae        ?
[03:39] <Mal3ko> yes
[03:39] <Mal3ko> capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx x86-64 constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
[03:40] <Mal3ko> ubuntu 8.10 server
[03:40] <genii> Probably "free" itself is 32bit
[03:42] <Mal3ko> including 'top'?
[03:48] <genii> Mal3ko: Research indicates kernel needs recompiling with options CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y, CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y even if PAE is enabled
[03:49] <Mal3ko> why they dont enabled that by default? are there side issues with those options?
[03:50] <genii> I don't have the answers to those questions
[05:09] <roy_hobbs> Anyone familiar with the sasl-sample-{client,server} utilities?
[06:13] <xun911> hello, I'm running ubuntu server on a Dell XPS laptop, does anyone know how to turn the backlight off on it?
[06:24] <twb> xun911: is there anything being displayed on the screen?
[06:24] <xun911> at the moment it's a blank screen
[06:24] <twb> Hmm.
[06:24] <twb> If X is running, try "xset dpms force off"
[06:25] <xun911> twb, ya, tried that, did not work.
[06:25] <twb> Sorry, I don't know what else to try.
[06:25] <xun911> it says "unable to open dislpay ""
[06:25] <twb> That would be bcause X isn't running.
[06:26] <xun911> yes, because I'm running it as server. this kinda bothers me....
[06:30] <twb> You could just leave the lid shut
[06:36] <xun911> twb, ya, but the backlight would still be on
[06:36] <twb> xun911: then it's broken
[06:37] <xun911> twb, haa... yes it is. the graphic card is displaying crap, that's why i'm using it as a server :) but i doubt if that's the issue
[06:38] <xun911> twb, i'm just reroute the display to "external" at boot, then unhook the cable when it's fully started, seems to be working for now, yeah!
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> open it up and unplug the lcd
[06:46] <twb> Good idea
[06:46] <twb> I still need to learn to use emacspeak so I can be super hard-core and write programs without looking
[06:50] <xun911> Kamping_Kaiser, ya, i did that few days ago atempting to fix the graphic card, dont' want to go through that again. also just in case something goes wrong & I can't ssh into it, a semi-working LCD is still useful
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> twb, ...
[06:53] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak or http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> aaah.
[06:56] <twb> Kamping_Kaiser: so you're sitting there with your external keyboard and your headphones and a zaurus in your shirt front, happily reading email and writing scripts
[07:29] <PecisDarbs> hi people, is there any good webmin alternatives out there - propably more secure and better looking?
[07:29] <PecisDarbs> I know ebox, but it is not quite what I need
[07:57] <_ruben> PecisDarbs: then what do you need?
[08:01] <PecisDarbs> _ruben: more like webmin, but better looking. Ebox feels like whole different distribution.
[08:01] <_ruben> ebox is a web interface just like webmin is
[08:02] <_ruben> with the big difference that ebox is supported on ubuntu, and webmin isnt
[08:06] <PecisDarbs> ok, maybe I have just to try it
[08:11] <iverson0881> Hello was having trouble with tab completion on my user. I always get sudo update_reub-sh: <( compgen -d -- 'update_reub' ): No such file or directory for any command i try tab completing. any ideas?
[08:11] <echosystm> hi guys
[08:11] <echosystm> i need to setup a ubuntu server in vmware, but 8.04.2 isn't supported and 8.04.1 is "experimental"
[08:12] <echosystm> if i installed 8.04 and then did an apt-get upgrade, would this be the same as installing 8.04.2 ?
[08:12] <iverson0881> echosystm: I've installed <IP_ADDRESS> on a production environment and works great.
[08:13] <iverson0881> echosystm: under VMWare Server
[08:13] <echosystm> ESX?
[08:13] <iverson0881> echosystm: No haven't had the a chance to move to ESX yet
[08:13] <echosystm> ok
[08:13] <echosystm> did you install the vmware tools?
[08:14] <iverson0881> echosystm: No
[08:14] <echosystm> ok, well that's what doesnt work :P
[08:14] <iverson0881> echosystm: When I did install it, sometimes it would cause weird networking issues :-p
[08:14] <echosystm> doesnt it perform badly without vmware tools?
[08:15] <soren> echosystm: Where does it say that 8.04.1 is experimental?
[08:15] <iverson0881> soren: word
[08:15] <echosystm> Ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS – experimental support on Workstation 6.5, 6.5.1
[08:15] <soren> iverson0881: "word"? What?
[08:15] <echosystm> im using workstation
[08:15] <soren> echosystm: *Where*?
[08:15] <iverson0881> soren: haha sorry, word as in "I agree"
[08:15] <soren> iverson0881: With a question?
[08:16] <echosystm> http://pubs.vmware.com/guestnotes/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=guestnotes&file=guestos_ubuntu804_2.html#4905554
[08:16] <echosystm> i tried to install 8.04.2 before i read this
[08:16] <iverson0881> soren: I was just thinking the same thinking so I was agreeing with your valid question
[08:16] <echosystm> got a tonne of errors
[08:16] <echosystm> it doesnt recognise the kernel, so it tries to build all the packages itself
[08:17] <echosystm> needless to say, it doesn't go down too well
[08:17] <soren> "build all the packages"?
[08:17] <soren> What does that mean?
[08:17] <soren> echosystm: Oh, the vmware installer thing?
[08:17] <echosystm> vmware tools yes
[08:18] <echosystm> brb 5 mins
[08:42] <kraut> moin
[10:12] <wo0f> whats the best method the setup kiosk mode with gnome?
[11:00] <kaushal> hi
[11:02] <kaushal> I am running tomcat 5.5.27 on Ubuntu Server 8.04, sun-jdk-5
[11:02] <kaushal> i am getting An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine:
[11:02] <kaushal> http://rafb.net/p/ejaJv811.html
[11:04] <ttx> kaushal: that's a bug in Sun's JDK, I would say
[11:04] <ttx> nothing we do in Java should be able to crash it.
[11:05] <kaushal> ttx, ok
[11:06] <kaushal> can you please confirm via Bug No of Sun JDK if there are any ?
[11:25] <erichammond> zul, soren: I'm probably going to miss the server meeting this morning since it's in the middle of my sleep cycle at 9am, but wanted to register my vote *against* making screen the default on login to EC2 instance.
[11:27] <soren> erichammond: I'll pass it on.
[11:27] <erichammond> My primary reason is that the EC2 Ubuntu server should be as close as possible to standard Ubuntu server except where absolutely required because of EC2 environment, but also because screen is not easy for the uninitiated to grasp and I believe in the principle of least surprise.
[11:27] <erichammond> Thanks.
[11:28] <soren> erichammond: I agree completely. I'm against it as well.
[11:28] <erichammond> That said, I always use screen personally and wouldn't mind if it were installed by default :)
[11:28] <soren> For much the same reasons.
[11:28] <erichammond> especially if it could be installed by default on the standard server.
[11:28] <soren> In its current form, screen is simply too invasive. Even moreso with the screen profiles on top.
[12:04] <zul> im against it as well for what its worth
[12:59] <o891_> hi
[13:04] <jwstolk> hi. I'm running ubuntu-server-64 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-7, which fails to re-build a raid-10 array (known bug: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11967 )
[13:04] <jwstolk> is there an easy way to switch to kernel 2.6.28 ?
[13:05] <jwstolk> or going back to 2.6.26 ?
[13:30] <jwstolk> "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.28-4" should work, but how do I find out if 2.6.28-4 is the latest available kernel for ubuntu-server?
[13:31] <Deeps> apt-get install linux-image-server
[13:31] <Deeps> metapackage that will always point to the latest 'stable' kernel release
[13:32] <jwstolk> Deeps: thanks. (I need a 28 kernel (stable or not...) to be able to re-build my raid volume)
[13:34] <jwstolk> hmm. I got 2.6.27-11  :(
[13:34] <jwstolk> and that can't rebuild a raid-10
[13:35] <Deeps> umm, linux-image-2.6.28-4 is only in jaunty, which is still in pre-release condition
[13:36] <Deeps> you can always build your own kernel
[13:36] <jwstolk> (see bug above) I could go back to 2.6.26 ?
[13:37] <Deeps> apt-cache search linux-image | grep ^linux-image
[13:37] <Deeps> will show you all the kernel images
[13:38] <jwstolk> only 2.6.27
[13:39] <Deeps> having followed your bug link
[13:40] <Deeps> it links to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/285156
[13:40] <Deeps> which features: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/285156/comments/10
[13:40] <Deeps> and then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/285156/comments/11
[13:40] <Deeps> read the comments in the launchpad bug, has a solution of sorts
[13:41] <Deeps> (for intrepid, with a patched .27 kernel)
[13:41] <jwstolk> fixed in 2.6.27-9? interesting. didn't seem to work with 2.6.27-11 here...
[13:42] <Deeps> you said you're using 2.6.27-7
[13:42] <jwstolk> ah! should re-boot of coerce.
[13:42] <jwstolk> I did install 2.6.27-11 when you said so.
[13:45] <jwstolk> rebuilding raid started automatically (like it should) thanks!
[13:45] <jwstolk> (after re-boot)
[13:47] <Deeps> cool
[13:49] <jwstolk> 1.9% this is going to take a while. I'm running raid-10.f2 using just 2  WesternDigital Green 1TB drives. (on our company file server) the single-file read-speed is really neat.
[13:50] <o891_> trying to setup postfix smtp auth
[13:50] <o891_> it keeps giving the SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory error, i cant even find the file anywhere, someone know a solution to this?
[13:51] <ScottK> o891_: Did you follow the Ubuntu server guide documentation on setting up SASL?
[13:51] <o891_> ScottK: sort of, that didnt work for me so I tried a few different things
[13:52] <o891_> ScottK: is the file part of the dovecot--common package?
[13:52] <o891_> *dovecot-common
[13:52] <ScottK> OK.  My first suggestion is to go back to how the Ubuntu docs tell you to set it up.
[13:52] <Deeps> um, raid10 using 2 disks? why bother?
[13:52] <ScottK> We chroot postfix by default and I suspect that's where your problem is.
[13:53] <o891_> ScottK; ok, well I thing I will trash everything and then start again...
[13:53] <o891_> ScottK: thanks anyway
[13:53] <o891_> ScottK: by the way: I am so impressed with the ubuntu community (u are all very helpful)
[13:53] <o891_> Thanks!
[13:53] <ScottK> o891_: If you follow the docs as exactly as you can and still have problems, that will maximize the chances someone here can help you.
[13:54] <o891_> ScottK: yeah true, well I think a clean start is what I should do anyway, the problem is that the documentation doesnt explain how to do virtual mailboxes so I used this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixVirtualMailBoxClamSmtpHowto    but it doesnt cover SASL
[13:55] <o891_> ScottK: anyway its all gotten a bit messy now, so I should do it again anyway: would you recommend using MySQL for non-unix accounts or would you go with files?
[13:56] <ScottK> o891_: You want to start small and work up.  So start with the server guide on sasl and then add stuff.
[13:57] <ScottK> o891_: Generally I'm not a big fan of making the reliability of my mail system depend on mysql.  Unless you have a large system with lots of users, it's probably more pain than it's worth.
[13:58] <o891_> ScottK, ok well I will do what the doc says till I get it working for one user and then I will try to set up using that virtualMailBoxes Documentation
[13:58] <o891_> ScottK: well its not for many users so I will go with files, anyway I think it is more secure too
[13:58] <o891_> ScottK: thanks for the help :)
[13:58] <jwstolk> Deeps: I wanted the (almost) double read speed for single (large) files. and a bit of redundancy saves a lot of work when replacing drives.
[14:29] <ttx> zul: could you have a shot at a samba 3.3.2 merge ? I can't really do it right now and we need to get regression in bug 337037 handled asap...
[14:30] <zul> ttx: yep I can do it this afternoon
[14:30] <ttx> zul: cool.
[14:32] <ttx> coffeedude: hey. the new sources worked for me as well, we should be all set. Some more review on the packaging today and I'll upload it tomorrow.
[14:33] <coffeedude> ttx: Wonderferful news !  Thanks :-)  I'll be online pretty constantly for the next few days so if anything comes up, let me know.  Thanks again for the help.
[14:33] <ttx> coffeedude: np, I'll ping you :)
[15:11] <scope006> i have a conversation topic if anyone is willing to discuss
[15:12] <scope006> what tools do you guys/gals like to use for log consolidation and review
[15:13] <scope006> i see that ubuntu ships with ebox, and there's always manually looking at logs
[15:14] <scope006> anyone in the community here have any tools / methods that they are really sold on using?
[15:24] <kpettit> Anybody have a good recommendation for backup software?  My servers are good, I need to figure out something for my desktops users. Most of my users are offsite with Windows or Mac laptops.
[15:25] <kpettit> It's been awhile sense I've had to deal with desktop users so Im not sure what's the best solution out there that uses Linux for the server component that also has a good Windows desktop piece
[15:26] <sommer> kpettit: backuppc is good for clients
[15:26] <kpettit> ok.  is it pretty easy use
[15:27] <sommer> kpettit: I think so... haven't really used it much, but it does backups at the share level, so you don't need to install additional software on the clients, which is nice
[15:28] <sommer> kpettit: it has a web interface for configuration and management... there should be a page or two on help.ubuntu.com/community about it
[15:29] <kpettit> oh cool.  thanks, I'll check it out
[15:30] <sommer> np
[15:46] <zul> ttx: samba uploaded
[15:47] <ttx> yay, one rgression down
[16:40] <bigbyrd> oks I am trying to use tomcat server and i need to edit tomcat-users.xml but it says i dont have permission....
[16:40] <bigbyrd> I thought when i login into the server i have root access, how do i not have access to this
[16:41] <bigbyrd> anyone home?
[16:41] <Vog-work> Hello bigbyrd
[16:42] <Vog-work> What are you using to edit the text file
[16:43] <bigbyrd> i installed gnome so i could graphically find the files easier... just right clicking and using txt editer, says at the top of page gedit, then below has the no access warning
[16:45] <Vog-work> Ok, so the problem is you need to be able to run those programs as root first.
[16:46] <Vog-work> It would be simpler to go into the command line, and use "sudo nano and the pathe to the file
[16:46] <Vog-work> for instance "sudo nano /var/www/domain/index.php" without the quotes
[16:47] <bigbyrd> ok dokie, will try
[16:47] <Vog-work> it will prompt you for the root password allowing you to edit the file.
[16:48] <Vog-work> Also try and read up on sudo on the ubuntu forms it will explain a lot.
[16:48] <goofey> but if still want to use the gui, try gtksudo texteditor_of_choice
[16:48] <goofey> ubottu: !sudo | bigbyrd
[16:48] <Vog-work> :) beat me to the punch goofey
[16:48] <goofey> :)
[16:49] <goofey> ubottu rocks
[16:49] <goofey> lol
[16:49] <bigbyrd> yeah, i am a windows user trying to set up server for office to do Document management system
[16:50] <Vog-work> bigbyrd: Well hopefully in time you'll feel like a linux user and will be able to help your office save money in licensing fees :)
[17:03] <yeason> I'm trying to setup a mail server and everything seems ok except I cannot connect to the server via telnet to test it. I get 'Connection closed by foreign host'. What's the problem here? I'm out of ideas
[17:11] <olcafo> what's your system? Default Postfix install on 8.10...?
[17:12] <yeason> more or less default, I've been tinkering for a few days attempting to customize it
[17:12] <yeason> and figure out what the problem is
[17:13] <olcafo> the first thing you should do before costomizing it is to make sure it works with the default settings. Makes things much easier to troubleshoot.
[17:13] <yeason> yea... well there's a huge margin dividing the things I do from the things I should do... =P
[17:13] <olcafo> do you have a firewall running on the machine blocking port 25?
[17:13] <yeason> yes I have a firewall, port 25 is forwarded to the mail server tho
[17:14] <yeason> and I've tried using the local IP address from the internal network and I get the same error
[17:14] <olcafo> is it hooked up to the internet? my favourite tool: www.mxtoolbox.com
[17:15] <yeason> lmfao... yea, it's hooked up to the internet...
[17:16] <yeason> I have no problem starting over from scratch on this if that's what you would recommend, try defaults next time
[17:18] <olcafo> just looking something up, hold up a sec.
[17:21] <olcafo> I know I might be stating the obvious here, but have you checked the mail logs?
[17:21] <olcafo> what do they say regarding the telnet session? does it even record it?
[17:21] <yeason> hang on a sec... let me find it
[17:23] <yeason> hmm... I've got my network ip wrong apparently... let me change it and try again
[17:24] <yeason> hmm... don't mind me, I'm just retarded...
[17:24] <W8TAH> good afternoon everyone -- (or morning or evening depending) ive a server install running that has for some inexplicable reason frozen at updating apt sources -- (roughly 70%) its been sitting there for over an hour -- what do i do?
[17:24] <yeason> I had my 'local networks' set wrong
[17:24] <olcafo> next time you'll know where to look ;)
[17:24] <yeason> yup =)
[17:24] <aurigus> crtl-C and start over
[17:25] <W8TAH> ugh - -ok
[17:25] <W8TAH> thanks
[17:25] <olcafo> could be that the server your downloading from became unavailable
[17:25] <W8TAH> ok
[17:25] <W8TAH> thanks
[17:25] <olcafo> I've had it happen to me on the canadian server. I changed to Japan'.
[17:27] <bosco_> does anyone know of a good website hits tracker with an ubuntu package
[17:28] <olcafo> webalizer
[17:37] <bosco_> olcafo, ok installed it via aptitude now what ?? do i have to create symlinks from my /var/www to get it to output ????
[17:38] <olcafo> the apache conf should be in /var/www/conf.d/
[17:38] <olcafo> you should just be able to go to www.yourwebsite.com/webalizer
[17:39] <olcafo> it will be available to the public by default I believe.
[17:39] <olcafo> you can set up htaccess to retrict it.
[17:42] <bosco_> k one sec
[17:43] <bosco_> olcafo, nope not available but it is logging in /var/www/webalizer/
[17:44] <olcafo> you can add a alias in you website's apache config to the webalizer directory.
[17:45] <bosco_> olcafo, huh???
[17:46] <bosco_> ln -s
[17:46] <bosco_> you mean symlinks
[17:46] <olcafo> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html
[17:46] <bosco_> thanks
[17:49] <bosco_> so i am linking /var/www/webalizer/ to /home/user/your-site/webalizer/
[17:49] <bosco_> with the totorial
[17:49] <olcafo> pretty much.
[17:49] <olcafo> if /home/user/ is where your site is
[17:50] <bosco_> yes
[17:50] <bosco_> why not just do it with ( ln -s ) symlinks
[17:51] <olcafo> keeping it in the apache conf files makes it easier to read and troubleshoot.
[17:51] <bosco_> ah ok
[17:52] <olcafo> also, I'm not sure apache would recognize the link... I've never actually tried it.
[18:03] <bosco_> olcafo, look at this
[18:03] <bosco_> http://pastebin.com/m26ee5489
[18:16] <Noble> Hi, Im having problems starting dhcp3-server. Its set to start on eth1, but somehow eth1 does not get activated on startup even though I have set it to use static IP
[18:16] <Noble> result, dhcp3 does not start
[18:17] <Noble> when i do "sudo ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS>" followed by "sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-sever start" it works
[18:17] <Noble> but I dont want to do that everytime it starts..
[18:17] <sommer> Noble: in /etc/network/interfaces do you have a "auto eth1" line?
[18:17] <Noble> yes
[18:18] <sommer> Noble: if you do a /etc/init.d/network restart does the interface come up?
[18:19] <Noble> failed to bring up eth1
[18:20] <sommer> Noble: are there any errors in /var/log/syslog?
[18:20] <sommer> Noble: you might also check dmesg | grep -i net
[18:20] <Noble> 2 sec
[18:21] <Noble> both gives me quite a lot output
[18:21] <Noble> not sure what im looking for
[18:22] <sommer> Noble: errors related to eth1
[18:22] <sommer> Noble: there should be something to hint at where the problem is
[18:23] <Noble> lets see, Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth1/inet
[18:23] <Noble> thats from /etc/init.d/networking
[18:24] <Noble> I have set adress netmask broadcast network
[18:24] <Noble> anything else i need?
[18:24] <sommer> Noble: gateway
[18:24] <Noble> I have no idea what to set as gateway, I have set up 2 nics into NAT
[18:25] <Noble> dhcp is on the internal
[18:25] <Noble> eth1 that is
[18:25] <sommer> Noble: maybe eth0?
[18:25] <Noble> lol probably, do I write the eth0 ip?
[18:26] <sommer> Noble: I'd think so... also you might lose network connection playing around with these options, so you might want to make sure you have physical access to the machine
[18:27] <Noble> Taken care of ;)
[18:27] <sommer> Noble: I'd give it a try then, can't hurt :)
[18:27] <Noble> rebooting the server.. 2 sec
[18:27] <Noble> im on the wifi so im up anyways
[18:27] <Noble> dont ask..
[18:29] <Noble> still fails
[18:29] <Noble> during startup it gives me something with rc2 and eth1 not found
[18:29] <Noble> flashes by so i cant see
[18:31] <Noble> wait, thats an old script of mine
[18:31] <Noble> removed :P
[18:34] <Noble> Would it solve my problem if I just set eth1 to look for dhcp?
[18:41] <Noble> Ok, now everything is working, with NAT and shit. Hurray.
[18:42] <Noble> Still needs to manually set eth1s ip and then restart dhcp3 and bind9
[18:42] <Noble> is it possible to make a startup script for this?
[19:45] <Hans67521> hello all
[19:46] <Hans67521> has any here used fetchmail
[19:47] <_ruben> this isnt the place to hold polls .. i assume you have another fetchmail related question as well?
[19:47] <Hans67521> yes sorry
[19:47] <Hans67521> i am using ubuntu8.10 server with postfix dovecot for email
[19:47] <Hans67521> i am not using virtual users
[19:48] <Hans67521> must i use procmail with fetchmail?
[19:48] <Hans67521> my isp is hosting my email, id like to download the mail with fetchmail and push the email thru postfix/spamassassin
[20:01] <Hans67521> how should my postfix main.cf be confiured?
[20:08] <bigbyrd> i think i installed tomcat twice!!!
[20:15] <Noble> Hi, during startup setting static IP fails, which results in dhcp3 not starting. Suggestions?
[22:14] <albertico> hi
[22:15] <albertico> has anyone configured iscsi on ubuntu server 8.04?
[22:16] <soren> albertico: Yes.
[22:17] <albertico> soren, I have been configuring a server to use a Dell MD3000i, but got lost on the part identifying the device
[22:18] <albertico> these are the steps I did: 1)configured the iscsi.conf file 2)iscsiadm -m discovery -t sendtargets -p <MD3000i IP>
[22:19] <albertico> 3) iscsiadm --mode node --targetname <LUN ID> -p <MD3000i IP> --login
[22:19] <maesx> hello, I would like to add a package cd of ubuntu-server
[22:21] <albertico> soren, then I don't know where to look for the device
[22:23] <soren> albertico: Try in /dev/disk/by-path, for instance.
[22:23] <pjsturgeon> any idea what could be causing a SATA II HDD (plugged into a PCI SATA card) to swap between sda and sdb on boot?
[22:24] <pjsturgeon> it takes the point out of an automated system if each time i have to SSH and swap the fstab entry
[22:26] <giovani3> pjsturgeon: use UUIDs instead
[22:26] <soren> pjsturgeon: That's *exactly* why Ubuntu uses UUID based mounting.
[22:28] <soren> pjsturgeon: The order in which the kernel discovers stuff is semi-random. Making assumptions about it is a recipe for disaster.
[22:28] <soren> maesx: What do you mean?
[22:30] <maesx> soren: add a Paket the CD
[22:30] <soren> maesx: Which package?
[22:32] <pjsturgeon> soren & giovani3: I currently use /dev/sdb1       /media/second-drive     ext3    defaults        0       0  what is correct for a basic ext3 mount?
[22:32] <maesx> soren : one created by my
[22:33] <soren> maesx: Do you want it added to the official CD's or do you just want to have it on a single CD?
[22:33] <soren> pjsturgeon: Use vol_id to find the UUID.
[22:34] <maesx> soren: added to the official CD's
[22:35] <soren> maesx: It needs to be in the archive first.
[22:36] <soren> maesx: You should talk to #ubuntu-motu about including it in the archive.
[22:37] <maesx> soren: is one deb
[22:37] <soren> maesx: That doesn't change anything :)
[22:37] <pjsturgeon> soren: cheers, testing now
[22:38] <albertico> soren, the server was restarted... I executed the discovery and login commands again... checked /dev/disks/by-path and found two lun devices registered... but then, if I restart the open-iscsi daemon, I get a "no records found" message and can't find the device anymore
[22:38] <maesx> soren : thanks
[22:39] <soren> albertico: Sorry, it's been a while since I've dealt with iSCSI. I forget how that's supposed to work.
[22:40] <albertico> soren, oh well, thanks anyway
[22:40] <albertico> Has anyone dealt with iSCSI?
[22:46] <albertico> iSCSI anyone?
[22:52] <hobo> Any one here have any knowledge on getting broadband cards working?
[23:36] <Vog-work> hobo: what sort of card?
[23:37] <Vog-work> you question might be sest answered in #ubuntu not #ubuntu-server


[16:13] <luna_> Hello, is there any Kernel team meeting today?
[17:06] <luna_> guessing not?
[17:09] <mhcerri> hi, luna_. do you have any specific topic to discuss?
[17:09] <luna_> mhcerri: nope not currently, was just wondering if its still in my calendar on Tuesdays
[17:10] <luna_> or well i wonder if you have any newer 5.9 kernels then the one from 20th October
[17:10] <luna_> not brave enough to install the 5.10 RCs :p
[17:10] <mhcerri> luna_, I don't think we have these meetings anymore
[17:11] <mhcerri> sforshee, ^ any idea?
[17:12] <luna_> alright the Ubuntu Fridge calendar is really outdated someone should look at that at some point
[17:19] <tjaalton> the unstable kernel moved from 5.9 to 5.10
[17:20] <tjaalton> so there are no 5.9.x I think
[17:20] <tjaalton> except the mainline builds
[17:23] <luna_> tjaalton: ah any idea where i can find the latest mainline for 5.9 ?
[17:23] <tjaalton> same place as always https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[17:24] <luna_> tjaalton: ah thanks :)
[17:33] <luna_> that worked thanks tjaalton and mhcerri :)
[20:22] <linuxr> Hi all, so I get this notebook which runs well with latest ubuntu, but just the "Alt Gr" key does not appear to function at all .. any help?
[20:24] <sarnold> test the key with xev and find out if it's emitting events; if it is, hopefully someone in #ubuntu knows how to fiddle with the configs to get it working
[20:30] <linuxr> sarnold, left and right alt keys do not seem to emit events with xev...what does that mean?
[20:30] <sarnold> linuxr: do you need to hold down an Fn key or something similar to make them work? sometimes laptop keyboards do silly things like that
[20:32] <linuxr> sarnold, no that doesnt help either..I've never seen anything like that
[20:33] <sarnold> linuxr: dang
[20:34] <linuxr> sarnold, interestingly, pressing the "fn" key alone does not emit an event, but "fn + cursor up" increases the volume as expecte
[20:34] <sarnold> that fn key is probably handled by the firmware or similar
[20:35] <linuxr> okay, but the alt keys? why don't these work?
[20:35] <linuxr> is there some other way to test them, without X maybe?
[20:39] <sarnold> linuxr: try showkey -- I haven't used it in 20 years, I can't recall if you need to quit X to use it, or if it works if you just pop to a virtual console
[20:44] <linuxr> showkey - "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console"
[20:44] <sarnold> try stopping x then
[20:46] <linuxr> okay..brb
[20:49] <linuxr> damn, how do I quit from X without ctrl-alt-fX?
[21:00] <sarnold> I think that's a systemctl isolate command these days