[02:03] <d3n4riu5> bonjour, quelqu'un sais quel est la commande équivalente de tab sur xchat pour selectioner quelqu'un ? j'utilisais quassel irc avant
[02:52] <holstein> !fr | d3n4riu5
[02:52] <holstein> d3n4riu5: i would just open a package manager and search "chat" or "chat client" and try them out
[02:53] <Fezzler> howdy holstein
[02:53] <holstein> Fezzler: hey
[02:53] <Fezzler> how's life in Asheville
[02:53] <holstein> not bad
[02:53] <d3n4riu5> sorry tanks
[02:54] <Fezzler> You ever do gigs at the casino?
[02:54] <holstein> Fezzler: cherokee?
[02:54] <holstein> a few
[02:54] <Fezzler> yea
[02:56] <holstein> i used to do them all the time, but the bread dried up
[02:56] <Fezzler> what is the easiest program to convert wav files to mp3?  LAME
[02:56] <holstein> i use sound converter
[02:56] <holstein> easy is a matter of opinion
[02:56] <holstein> lame is provided by a backend package
[02:56] <holstein> sox is popular
[02:56] <Fezzler> {fez googling sound converter}
[02:57] <holstein> Fezzler: just apt-get it
[02:57] <holstein> its small and gtk and easy
[02:58] <Fezzler> thanks
[02:59] <Fezzler> been to CLT lately?
[03:00] <holstein> yup
[03:00] <holstein> im playing with chad lawson and jim brock some
[03:00] <Fezzler> hit the Computerworks?
[03:00] <Fezzler> cool
[03:00] <Fezzler> where?
[03:00] <holstein> i was at gat3 a few weeks ago
[03:00] <holstein> so far, we ust track thre, and go out
[03:00] <holstein> just*
[03:00] <Fezzler> I saw a cool show at the Knight Theartre
[03:01] <holstein> went to dc... went to atlanta
[03:01] <holstein> you doing well?
[03:01] <Fezzler> Winter Dance Party - tribute to Buddy Holly with orchestra too
[03:02] <Fezzler> Yea, I'm doing well.  Working.  Good.  Exercising.  Good.  Gettin to bed earlier.  Good.  Eating better.  Good. Playing less.   Or too busy to do that and artist would object?
[03:14] <holstein> studios let clients do whatever
[03:14] <holstein> within reason
[03:17] <Fezzler> well, gonna watch end of the game and hit the sack.  nice to "see" you again
[03:17] <holstein> o/
[03:20] <Fezzler> gat3 - recording?
[10:03] <raven_> len-1304, ?
[10:05] <zequence> raven_: Still not getting rid of xruns?
[10:05] <raven_> hi zequence
[10:05] <raven_> i now have time to get trough the hints
[10:06] <zequence> If you get xruns at a high latency, or the same sort of trouble at any latency, it's usually an indication of priority problems. Shared IRQ
[10:07] <zequence> raven_: Did you check: cat /proc/interrupts ?
[10:07] <raven_> irq would be the question - my usb 2 is on irq 23
[10:07] <raven_> but how to set the priority? its set to grey in qjackctl
[10:08] <zequence> You don't set IRQ prio in qjackctl
[10:08] <zequence> That's what rtirq is for
[10:08] <raven_> the kernel you mean?
[10:08] <zequence> You can only use it with linux-lowlatency, or if you add a kernel parameter to -generic
[10:08] <zequence> rtirq is a script
[10:09] <zequence> You can installit with: sudo apt-get install rtirq-init
[10:10] <zequence> If you install linux-lowlatency, it will follow. It's a dependency to the linux lowlatency image
[10:10] <raven_> it would be all nice if i could disable the added latency trough jamin
[10:10] <zequence> You only get xruns with jamin?
[10:11] <raven_> no i need to lower the latency
[10:12] <zequence> raven_: Yes, but do you get no xruns if you do not use jamin?
[10:12] <raven_> the xruns are the secondary problem because i first need to lower the latency
[10:12] <raven_> and then of course i get a lot of xruns
[10:13] <zequence> There are other tools than jamin, after all
[10:13] <raven_> zequence, which similar tool for example?
[10:13] <zequence> It's for mastering audio, so it's basically a combination of processing tools
[10:14] <zequence> You can find them separately as plugins
[10:14] <zequence> And you can use something as a host for those plugins
[10:14] <zequence> There's no good all-in-one host for plugins, all though falktx is working on one
[10:15] <zequence> There is jack-rack for ladspa plugins
[10:15] <zequence> But you could basically use a DAW just for the plugins
[10:16] <zequence> But that doesn't help, if you get xruns without jamin
[10:16] <zequence> Which is why I ask
[10:17] <zequence> To solve the xrun problem, I'd first like to know if you get xruns only from using jackd
[10:17] <zequence> I'd say it's the primary problem, as it prevents you from streaming any kind of audio over jack
[10:18] <zequence> raven_: ^
[10:20] <raven_> with at least 48ms i get no xruns when i run jackd only in standby with no acrtion on the mashine
[10:21] <zequence> raven_: What frames/period is that?
[10:21] <zequence> 512?
[10:21] <raven_> 512 3 buffer on 32000hz
[10:22] <zequence> raven_: Could you post the result of this to paste.ubuntu.com?: cat /proc/interrupts
[10:22] <zequence> raven_: Can you run it at 128 frames/period when only running jack?
[10:22] <zequence> ..what's the lowest
[10:22] <zequence> (withouth xruns)
[10:23] <zequence> raven_: Also, I'd be very interested to know if there will be a difference, if you use 44100 or 48000 framerate instead
[10:25] <raven_> on 128, 3 buffer with 32000 there are no xruns with no interaction but it counts up when jamin is running
[10:28] <zequence> raven_: To check your current rtprio, use: ps -eo comm,rtpri
[10:30] <zequence> raven_: To check your current rtprio, use: ps -eo comm,rtprio
[10:30] <zequence> missed an "o"
[10:30] <raven_> on which?
[10:30] <raven_> jack?
[10:31] <zequence> raven_: These are the rt priorities that the rtirq script sets up
[10:31] <zequence> Nothing to do with jack settings
[10:31] <zequence> I'm still waiting to see the result of your interrupts
[10:31] <raven_> ok which line should i look at?
[10:31] <zequence> I have no idea of your system, so that makes it hard for me to help you
[10:32] <zequence> This will show you the status of the rtirq script: /etc/init.d/rtirq status
[10:32] <zequence> Are you on linux-lowlatency?
[10:32] <zequence> To check: uname -r
[10:32] <zequence> You could just paste on http:/paste.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <raven_> no on normal kernel
[10:33] <raven_> just a moment
[10:33] <zequence> I recommend you boot into linux-lowlatency then
[10:33] <zequence> rtirq won't have any effect if you don't add a boot parameter for linux-generic
[10:33] <zequence> Also, you can't expect any kind of low latency with linux-generic
[10:34] <raven_> on lowlatency i cannot fix the graphics problems
[10:34] <zequence> What graphics problem?
[10:34] <zequence> linux-lowlatency == linux-generic. Anything that works on one will work on the other
[10:34] <zequence> proprietary drivers?
[10:35] <zequence> Probably you just need to reinstall them while on -lowlatency
[10:35] <zequence> raven_: What drivers are you using for graphics? Or better yet, what is your graphics problem?
[10:36] <raven_> i need any nvidia driver for setting up the resolution but i cannot install one
[10:36] <zequence> You can't use the free drivers?
[10:37] <raven_> i cannot install them
[10:37] <zequence> Either do one of the following. Install free drivers, boot into -lowlatency, then install proprietary from there
[10:37] <zequence> raven_: You can't install free drivers?
[10:37] <zequence> raven_: Which release is this? 12.04, 12.10?
[10:38] <raven_> 12.10
[10:38] <calwig> hi, which DV camera can be used with a Kub12.04 setup, easy, plug and play, usb, something that will have good video
[10:38] <zequence> raven_: software-properties-gtk
[10:39] <zequence> Or, "Software Sources", somewhere in the menu
[10:40] <zequence> calwig: We don't have any data on that atm, sorry. I'd need to google that
[10:40] <zequence> google on linux support for the device type. I'm sure there's a database for supported devices somehwere
[10:40] <calwig> zequence, will also look online
[10:41] <raven_> i have to make a break
[10:41] <raven_> ill come back later sry
[10:41] <zequence> I'll add that as a workitem for us (making sure we have lists of supported devices from the website)
[10:52] <zequence> raven_: The other option to get proprietary drivers installed on -lowlatency is to boot into it. If you get to a terminal prompt, do: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current
[11:33] <calwig> ubuntustudio is an OS rather than a .deb?
[11:34] <zequence> calwig: Ubuntu Studio is an official flavor of Ubuntu. It means, it's an OS, like Ubuntu, but with a different set of default applications
[11:34] <zequence> The .deb files for Ubuntu Studio are in the same repo as Ubuntu
[11:35] <zequence> you can install packages for any flavor of Ubuntu, from any flavor. The flavors I know of are: Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio
[11:35] <zequence> The Ubuntu Studio desktop os derived from Xubuntu
[11:36] <calwig> So no point in having an Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio. Rather just download the .deb
[11:36] <calwig> interesting
[11:36] <calwig> Xfce is light
[11:39] <zequence> calwig: If you're working with graphics or video, you might not need Ubuntu Studio default setup as much as you would if dealing with pro audio
[11:42] <calwig> Whats 2Gb anyway, Ill download and install.
[11:42] <calwig> wait, 4Gb
[11:43] <cfhowlett> calwig, that's the spirit!
[11:44] <calwig> OrGaNiZe mY fRiEnD
[11:44] <calwig> :)
[11:44] <calwig> err, sorry it is 2Gb
[11:49] <zequence> calwig: Don't forget you can always just run it live to try it out. Making a bootable usb is not that hard, and let's you avoid wasting DVDs
[11:49] <calwig> That way whatever is installed, upgraded, changed, modified, stays there. Somethign breaks, reinstall and so on, leaving other version of Ubuntu untouched
[11:50] <calwig> Yeop
[11:50] <cfhowlett> or you could put it in virtualbox and leave your host system completely untouched
[11:53] <calwig> Ah, yes
[11:54] <cfhowlett> personally, I've got 64 bit buntustudio and I install LTS only.  But I DO like to play check out the latest shiny version in Virtualbox.
[11:55] <zequence> calwig: I was talking about creating a live USB medium, which can be used either to try out Ubuntu Studio, or to install it.
[11:55] <zequence> calwig: It's not the same as installing it onto USB
[11:55] <calwig> Virtualbox has a new version, must update then.
[11:56] <calwig> zequence, Yeah Id like to check it out so USB live
[11:56] <zequence> Virtualbox works too, but audio performance is not that great
[11:57] <calwig> and wouldnt that bog a bit down the host...
[11:57] <calwig> Host plus VBox
[11:58] <cfhowlett> calwig, when you're in vbox, use the guest OS.  Won't be as fast as the native host ...
[12:00] <zequence> I'm on Quantal right now. I think the LTS is firstmost interesting to either people running servers, or do not like to reinstall every 6 months
[12:00] <calwig> Guest OS being ubuntu studio you mean
[12:03] <calwig> pfft absolutely
[12:03] <calwig> Ever since 12.04 I havent had to reinstall. I sure hope I dont anytime soon
[12:05] <cfhowlett> calwig, LTS only means a lot fewer headaches in my experience.
[12:05] <calwig> zequence, I have no DVD access, I must do USB install.
[12:05] <calwig> only install LTS
[12:06] <zequence> I don't have that experience, especially with multimedia stuff
[12:07] <zequence> That said, the main plus with using US quantal atm is a nicer menu. The upside is probably not that big
[12:15] <calwig> Well anything is better than Ubuntu 4.10
[12:16] <calwig> This 12.04LTS had the cube preinstalled, turned it on, voila. So simple
[20:05] <Inoki> Is there anyone who can help with Plank dock?


[10:30] <dandrader> tsdgeos, are you reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/splashRotation/+merge/297318 ?
[10:32] <tsdgeos> damn i forgot
[10:32] <tsdgeos> will do today
[10:32] <dandrader> ok, thanks
[12:27] <tsdgeos> dandrader: only a nitpick
[12:27] <tsdgeos> code looks good and test looks
[12:27] <tsdgeos> not sure i feel totally confident with top approving given i don't have a device where this actually happens
[12:38] <dandrader> tsdgeos, you can reproduce it with any phone if you hold it on landscape
[12:39] <tsdgeos> can you?
[12:39] <tsdgeos> i didn't understand it like that on the bug
[12:39] <tsdgeos> ok, let me try the
[12:39] <tsdgeos> n
[12:39] <dandrader> tsdgeos, a phone held on landscape (with unity8-dash in landscape) is exactly like a flo or m10 on landscape
[12:40] <tsdgeos> dandrader: there's the "primary orientation" concept that is slightly different, no?
[12:41] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yes, but since untiy8-dash no longs sticks to the primary orientation, it boils down to the same
[12:42] <tsdgeos> oka
[12:45] <tsdgeos> dandrader: can you do this easy one https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/components_for_gu/+merge/297924 ?
[12:45] <tsdgeos> nice i'm downloading at 7KB/s
[12:45] <tsdgeos> let me reboot the router and see if that improves
[15:10] <yw> seb128 - re: our chat yesterday re: dash issue, apparently there is a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1493106
[17:03] <josharenson> Do you have to manually add the key for the yakkety repo, or am I under some sophisticated attack....?
[17:14] <josharenson> mterry: so I have a hack idea for the sessions list
[17:14] <mterry> josharenson, go on...
[17:14] <mterry> :)
[17:14] <josharenson> mterry: let me make a small diff, it will explain better than I can with actual words
[17:15] <josharenson> mterry: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17652005/
[17:16] <josharenson> mterry: so the code for the view has this wonderful condition where if text[17:16] <josharenson> mterry: and I can't figure out how to apply a style to the text...
[17:16] <josharenson> mterry: and I don't want to re-implement everything just for the ability to change the text color...
[17:17] <josharenson> mterry: but let me know if there is a better way that I'm missing
[17:17] <josharenson> mterry: (sorry to keep spamming), I'll add an elide to that text area if you think its a decent work around
[17:17] <mterry> josharenson, ok...  wait, so why is display ever ""?
[17:17] <mterry> josharenson, in real world it wouldn't be, right?
[17:17] <josharenson> mterry: its never "", just explaining why I have it set to " "
[17:18] <josharenson> instead of any other value
[17:18] <mterry> josharenson, oh I see you can't adjust text color
[17:18] <josharenson> mterry: sadly
[17:18] <josharenson> mterry: at least that I can see
[17:19] <mterry> josharenson, sure seems fine.  Just add a comment maybe for the " " bit
[17:19] <josharenson> mterry: ack...
[17:19] <mterry> josharenson, and maybe left-align instead of center?
[17:19] <mterry> josharenson, works better for lists
[17:19] <josharenson> mterry: ah, I agree
[17:19] <mterry> josharenson, elide or use a FadingLabel -- we use FadingLabel elsewhere in greeter, might make sense to be consistent here too
[17:20] <josharenson> ok
[17:20] <mterry> josharenson, (another reason to use custom text object)
[17:44] <vitimiti> Oh, FadingLabel is part of the QML modules now?


 https://lists.launchpad.net/kubuntu-council/msg00832.html
 any one able to help there?
[21:00] <valorie> seems like a great idea, RikMills, but at this time I can't
[21:35] <mparillo> I took a try with https://invent.kde.org/mparillo/flavourscreenshotandblurb
[21:35] <mparillo> Please feel free to move it to somewhere more appropriate.
[21:37] <mparillo> In response to the asks, I created separate files for the Short Blurb, the Links, and I added two screenshots from 21.10. Not sure if we prefer to give JJ screenshots, but I should be able to add them as well, if you prefer.
[23:05] <valorie> oh thank you, mparillo


[09:57] <dragon_> It'd be cool to have ubottu create links to Google searches
[09:58] <dragon_> query "google keywords" could fetch "http://www.google.com/linux?q=keywords"
[10:04] <dragon_> can't tell if anybody read that
[10:07] <Myrtti> so what do you suggest, how would it work?
[10:09] <dragon_> Myrtti: probably like the way ubottu's other commands do
[10:10] <Myrtti> so you're really suggesting that we'd give  people lmgtfy links?
[10:10] <Myrtti> if not in reality, then in effect
[10:11] <dragon_> sort of, for those who try IRC before Google
[10:12] <dragon_> command will be subjected to the same moderation and abuse control as other commands, so it seems ok to me so far
[10:12] <Myrtti> I hate the suggestion
[10:12] <Tm_T> hi
[10:12] <dragon_> ok.
[10:13] <Tm_T> dragon_: no thanks, lmgtfy is already too much
[10:13] <Myrtti> it's just not worth it
[10:14] <Myrtti> we're supposed to give quality answers and support, and take this atleast in a semiprofessional attitude
[10:14] <Myrtti> giving halfhearted, unchecked and possibly bad, harmful or just plain wrong advice in the form of random google links  is not a good idea
[10:14] <Tm_T> why not then direct our support channels to ##google or even the actual webpage (;)
[10:14] <Tm_T> Myrtti: agreed
[10:15] <dragon_> makes sense
[10:15] <Myrtti> IRC channels, if mentored and monitored correctly, give better advice than Google.
[10:15] <Tm_T> google doesn't ask "did that work?"
[10:15] <Tm_T> nor pretty much help you any way with your attempts
[10:18] <Myrtti> google also returns results including arbitrary root account activation, use of unchecked totally random scripts (of -matix fame and similar) and randomly compiling stuff from source without checking the repos
[10:20] <Tm_T> Myrtti: not to mention random packages
[10:20] <dragon_> yeah, plain google does that.
[10:21] <Myrtti> in short: benefits don't overrule the possible harm done
[10:21] <Tm_T> if you don't want to help, don't try to help then (;)
[10:21] <Tm_T> that's the guideline for lmgtfy-type of persons
[10:22] <dragon_> Tm_T: there are some questions that deserve a lmgtfy answer
[10:22] <Myrtti> dragon_: there is no stupid questions
[10:22] <Myrtti> there is only stupid answers
[10:23] <Myrtti> people want to be held by hand when doing new things.
[10:23] <Myrtti> it's human behaviour, we're scared of trying new things.
[10:23] <Myrtti> quite possibly people have done google search, have found confusing information and come to IRC to get a confirmation on a road to travel
[10:24] <dragon_> yes
[10:24] <Myrtti> and all you see is "how do I install software in Ubuntu"
[10:24] <Tm_T> dragon_: the whole purpose of #ubuntu for example is to help with ubuntu, be it by giving good search words
[10:24] <Tm_T> or something else
[10:25] <dragon_> i agree that a link to ubuntu docs would be way more helpful than a link to google
[10:26] <Myrtti> the problem with lmgtfy links is also that in order to justify their use in any given circumstance, you'd have to do the google search yourself, check that the results given are valid and good, and the reproduce the query for the person asking
[10:28] <Myrtti> and in most cases it's just easier to hand pick the result URL's and give them to the person, than giving him the lmgtfy link and give a warning "but don't use the second link, it's bad"
[10:28] <Myrtti> not to mention the fact that google gives different results depending on your language and location
[10:44] <dragon_> Myrtti, Tm_T: thanks for your feedback. it helped me understand things better.
[10:45] <Tm_T> dragon_: np, that's why we are here for
[10:45] <dragon_> :)
[10:45] <dragon_> catch ya later
[10:49] <jussi01> crud, why didnt I see this before.
[10:49] <Tm_T> see what?
[10:49] <jussi01> We have that facility on ubottu, (the google one) but we chose to disable it
[10:50] <Tm_T> good (:)
[10:50] <jussi01> Philip5: can we help you with something today?
[10:50] <Myrtti> jussi01: look around
[10:51] <jussi01> oh
[10:51] <Philip5> juliux: ehem, i don't know... can you? ;)
[10:51] <jussi01> whoops
[10:51] <jussi01> Philip5: sorry.
[10:51] <jussi01> I thought I was elswhere :D
[10:51] <Philip5> hehe, no problem
[10:52] <Philip5> i'm not sure who i'm today either
[10:52] <Philip5> ;)
[10:52] <jussi01> :D
[15:53] <MTecknology> nalioth: Do you have packages for jaunty and karmic yet?
[16:09] <Tm_T> MTecknology: packages of what?
[16:10] <MTecknology> Tm_T: PackageInfo plugin on ubot3
[16:11] <Tm_T> ah
[19:05] <evanrmurphy> I've been waiting two weeks to get some flags from the founder of #ubuntu-l10n-es with no response. He initially opped me, but didn't pass the flag so I lost it on reentry. I'm pretty sure he meant to grant the flags (asked me if I wanted to be "coordinator and op" for the channel beforehand), so I was wondering if someone here could do it. Thanks for your time.
[19:07] <evanrmurphy> To clarify: I highly doubt this will create conflict, but on the offchance that P3L|C4N0 does complain later, I suppose we could have my flags revoked. Requesting a "/msg ChanServ FLAGS #ubuntu-es-l10n evanrmurphy +*".
[19:08] <evanrmurphy> sorry, channel name backwards there. Should be #ubuntu-l10n-es... "/msg ChanServ FLAGS #ubuntu-l10n-es evanrmurphy +*".
[19:09] <nalioth> evanrmurphy: nothing works unless you're identified to services
[19:12] <evanrmurphy> nalioth: Could you paraphrase that please? Identified in which sense?
[19:13] <nalioth> evanrmurphy: /msg nickserv help identify
[19:14] <nalioth> w/o being identified, any troll could /nick evanrmurphy and kick / ban / murder in channels you have ops in
[19:15] <nalioth> without the identification services of this network, i mean
[19:16] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-br, icefusion11 said: !poo is <reply> Acrônimo de Programação Orientada a Objetos
[19:17] <evanrmurphy> nalioth: Thanks, now I'm identified. Sorry, I thought I was already, but apparently the automatic identify didn't go through.
[19:18] <nalioth> evanrmurphy: if you are +e, services knows who you are
[19:19] <nalioth> Want to see if someone is identified to services at a glance?  http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#spoofing evanrmurphy, this will show you who is and who isn't identified (so you don't talk to trolls)
[19:22] <evanrmurphy> nalioth: OK, thanks.
[19:23] <evanrmurphy> nalioth: Would you be able to grant my request?
[19:24] <evanrmurphy> CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG
[19:33] <nalioth> evanrmurphy: i'm afraid you'll need to ask P3L|C4N0
[19:37] <evanrmurphy> nalioth: Is there a response time cap on his unilateral authority? I sent him an email two weeks ago and a MemoServ note before that.
[19:38] <evanrmurphy> I'd appreciate a comment from one of the members who was helping me on this case earlier. (m4v, Pici, niko)
[19:45] <niko> evanrmurphy: i'm not an op of #ubuntu-es* related channels, but i know the issue with P3L|C4N0
[19:46] <niko> we have the same one years before on #ubuntu-fr*
[19:46] <niko> finally the guy leave the lead
[19:51] <evanrmurphy> niko: You mean P3L|C4N0 finally left, or other person?
[19:51] <m4v> evanrmurphy: the problem isn't with you only. We're trying to contact p3l|c4n0 as well
[19:51] <niko> evanrmurphy: other one
[19:52] <niko> with same issue
[19:52] <evanrmurphy> m4v: Ah... I wasn't aware.
[19:56] <m4v> yesterday we had a talk about it in #ubuntu-es-ops with erUSUL and RoAkSoAx, we'll ask him to add another admin (+*) to the channels he owns
[19:57] <m4v> he's been missing for a week...
[20:15] <evanrmurphy> niko, nalioth: Thanks for your help with this! m4v and RoAkSoAx are assisting me now in #ubuntu-es-ops and the channel in question.


[17:07] <sladen> jbicha: this wallpapers patch
[17:07] <sladen> jbicha: do you want to land that before we add the new wallpapers?
[17:11] <sladen> jbicha: I don't want to squash it if we upload the new ones
[17:13] <jbicha> sladen: it would probably be nice to land before, but I don't know if it's "required" or not


[02:06] <cmaloney> Evening
[11:04] <brousch> morning
[12:48] <_stink_> yo
[13:14] <cmaloney> morning
[13:14] <cmaloney> lazy morning
[19:35] <rick_h_> zzzzz afternoon?
[19:39] <jrwren> you aren't going to vancouver yet?
[20:45] <cmaloney> Just finished up grocery shopping
[20:45] <cmaloney> lazy afternoon
[21:29] <rick_h_> jrwren: tomorrow 7am
[21:51] <jrwren> ugh.
[21:57] <cmaloney> ugh
[22:21] <rick_h_> yea car gere at 5am...not sure how i thought this was a good plan
[22:28] <cmaloney> That does not sound like fun at all
[22:47] <rick_h_> oh well I think the other choice was to get in way late
[22:55] <gamerchick02> ooof. i'm doing laundry but my apartment doorknob broke so i waited almost an hour for the guy to show up. no phone, no keys, no money. couldn't even go get an ice cream to pass the time.
[22:55] <gamerchick02> good luck on your trip to Vancouver, rick_h_
[23:36] <_stink_> ~yikes!
[23:47] <gamerchick02> yeah no kidding
[23:47] <gamerchick02> and ~now~ the one dryer isn't drying properly so my sheets are STILL not done.


[04:19] <bazhang> * [ICWiener] (~DFrostedW@<IP_ADDRESS>): Logan Kemp
[04:19] <bazhang> heads up on him
[04:20] <IdleOne> noted
[04:20] <bazhang> defrostedwang: "the support here is terrible,etc etc
[04:21] <bazhang> give him ubottu and put him on /ignore with the bot
[04:22] <IdleOne> hah
[14:22] <bazhang> perhaps server could run on that (256mb)
[14:23] <DJones> I think just about, my server has 512mb and is only using half the memory
[14:40] <DJones> in #ubuntu 15:38 < mcloy> oh i shouldnt be here. i forgot
[14:40] <DJones> Quit immediatly after
[14:50] <DJones> That was the last straw from salman
 i want a ubuntu logo in terminal how to do that
[14:51] <bazhang> beanpole seems very familiar
[14:51] <DJones> Thats not a nick I recognise
[14:57] <bazhang> had salman in PM, he refused to respond.
[14:58] <bazhang> got the other salmann (loduchand ) in PM now
 is it good to have sudo enabled by default i am paranoid about my security
[15:02] <bazhang> <troll detected>
[15:02] <chu> Pretty sure that is the salmann/loduchand guy
[15:02] <bazhang> it is
[15:03] <bazhang> Mintathon is the salmann / loduchand character
[15:04]  * mneptok has the banhammer ready
[15:06] <bazhang> that lexmark printer is a deb.tar.gz so he should unpack it then dkpg -i file.deb it , yes?
[15:06] <bazhang> +driver
[15:06] <mneptok> bazhang: he should get the one without a bundled JRE
[15:07] <bazhang> mneptok, ok. there are those with/without as you pointed out
[15:08] <bazhang> thats remove number #2. perhaps he gets the clue
[15:15] <bazhang> dont even think mcloy uses ubuntu, just likes to troll #ubuntu channels (in #debain now)
[15:16] <bazhang> augh #debian
[16:33] <ameet> hey
[16:34] <LjL> ameet: hi
[16:34] <LjL> ameet: there are at least two issues i've noticed: constant ranting about how Ubuntu is bad with nothing constructive, and swearing after being told to avoid it
[16:34] <LjL> others will chime in if they've noticed more
[16:34] <ameet> i did not sear
[16:34] <ameet> swear
[16:35] <chu> LjL: Yep.
[16:35] <ameet> when
[16:35] <LjL> ameet: words like "shit" are not considered acceptable in #ubuntu-offtopic, maybe you didn't have that clear then, but hopefully it's clear now
[16:35] <ameet> kkk
[16:35] <IdleOne> in any Ubuntu channel, be it IRC, forums...
[16:36] <ameet> where can i criticize ubuntu
[16:36] <LjL> ameet: as to the ranting, i guess there's nothing wrong if kept at acceptable levels. you made your point, there is no need to keep repeating "Ubuntu sucks Ubuntu sucks", either have a discourse, or otherwise #ubuntu-offtopic is not a place just to vent frustration
[16:36] <ameet> they say install xubuntu-desktop
[16:36] <ameet> but i will have 2 apss
[16:36] <LjL> ameet: you can criticize Ubuntu in #ubuntu-offtopic, just don't go overboard like you've done
[16:36] <ameet> 2 apps for amse work
[16:36] <chu> ameet: Then use the !notunity option I gave you at the start.
[16:36] <ameet> same for kubuntu-desktop
[16:36] <chu> You continually kept ignoring me.
[16:37] <ameet> And no, Ubuntu is not the community anymore. Ubuntu is Canonical. Linux is the community, GNOME is the community, debian is the community. Ubuntu is Canonical.
[16:37] <chu> But anyway ameet. Please listen to what the operators in this channel have said.
[16:38] <LjL> ameet: if the rules of #ubuntu-offtopic are too strict for what you intend by "criticizing", then i suppose you could try a channel like #defocus (but no guarantees about *their* rules). still, i'm pretty sure one can calmly point out the issue one has with Ubuntu *and* listen to what others say about them and respond to that, rather than ignore and continue with the "Ubuntu sucks Ubuntu sucks"
[16:38] <ameet> kkkkk i don't care who am i to decide future of ubuntu canonical will decide it kkkkk
[16:39]  * LjL sighs
[16:39] <ameet> I'm registered at lauchpad for a few years now, but i can't really understand much of that pile of bugs there is there, for me looks like a mess, but i haven't lost much time on trying to understant launchpad, maybe i will someday.
[16:39] <ameet> I guess i'm not the only one saying that it is a bug.
[16:40] <chu> ameet: This is not the place for you to rant.
[16:41] <ameet> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp2Sqe-Oa5g&feature=related
[16:46] <ameet> yo
[16:46] <LjL> ameet: we're here to discuss your ban, not giving you a venue to go on more about how Ubuntu sucks. if you don't want to discuss your ban, the ban will stay and you can find another place to rant.
[16:46] <ameet> what is this bump bump?
[16:47] <ameet> ok i agree ubuntu 12.04 is better than windows 8 now remove my ban :)
[16:48] <LjL> ameet: that's not what i'd ask you to agree to.
[16:48] <LjL> i'd ask you to 1) avoid unidirectional rants 2) follow the channel guidelines, bot factoids and operator instructions
[16:49] <LjL> ameet: if you want to rejoin, i need you to read the following
[16:49] <LjL> !etiquette > ameet
[16:50] <ameet> seen
[16:50] <ameet> kkkkk please remove my ban\
[16:50] <LjL> you're a very fast reader?
[16:51] <ameet> yaa
[16:51] <ameet> i like reading
[16:51] <ameet> kkk cheers
[16:52] <LjL> ...
[16:56] <chu> So ahh, he's not responding/31
[16:57] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops ameet This is "beanpole", I was almost going to remove the ban but then he just left while clearly not having read the guidelines. His loss I guess?
[16:58] <chu> He kept just saying "kkkk" after I asked him to read the guidelines and asked him to respond to others' responses and provide actual evidence for his claims.
[17:01] <mneptok> maybe he'd have better success with Ubuntu if his keyboard had a working "k" key
[17:52] <vibhav> Please have a look at RAsputtin
[23:08] <bazhang> * [Hellz_Bellz] (~moop@ip70-171-8-12.ga.at.cox.net): poodles    any clue how to address this?
[23:59] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:59] <bazhang> * [Salman] (~salman@<IP_ADDRESS>): Colloquy User
[23:59] <bazhang> seems to be dodging


[19:41] <raubvogel> How do I boot in proper single user mode?
[19:42] <dantalizing> morning
[19:42] <raubvogel> I tried holding shift to get the grub menu, selecting repair, and then shell without network
[19:42] <raubvogel> I not only have network but also my lvm partitions were mounted
[19:42] <raubvogel> dantalizing: Hey
[21:04] <mhall119> raubvogel: with the move to upstart, I don't think the old-style init levels work the way they once did
[21:06] <raubvogel> mhall119: lovely. I want to do some lvm renaming. I guess I am better off booting off a CD and then doing it there
[21:06] <mhall119> probably
[21:07] <mhall119> I mean, I'm sure there's a way to do it, I just don't know
[21:18] <raubvogel> mhall119: Yeah, the cd approach works
[21:18] <raubvogel> and since this a just a vm, it is not hard to do
[21:18] <raubvogel> Ok, so now onwards with my renaming dance
[23:53] <bluebomber> Hello, all!


[00:00] <humungulous> it'll disconnect you
[00:00] <humungulous> that kind of thing you need to do over console, one way or another
[00:01] <tarvid> curiously, I had no stanza other than lo in interfaces and things worked, I added  a second nic and it set the default route to the second nic instead of the first
[00:03] <tarvid> how would I permanently set the default route to eth0?
[00:04] <humungulous> using the route command
[00:04] <humungulous> or the route directive in interfaces
[00:13] <SpamapS> tarvwhat exactly did you think network restart did, otehr than 'ifdown -a ; ifup -a' ?
[00:13] <SpamapS> oh he's gone
[00:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #945264 in ntp (main) "NTP not receiving PPS signal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945264
[00:27] <milkshake_> how can I fix Options ExecCGI is off in this directory:  in the vhost?
[01:45] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #945299 in keystone (universe) "keystone_2012.1~e4-0ubuntu1_all fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945299
[04:31] <Canadian1296> I need some help with postfix. I tested it and it works, but then I changed postfix to use Maildir instead of mbox. When I restarted it, it created a file called Maildir in ~, but it is a file not a folder. Now I cannot check my mail.
[07:10] <delinquentme> SSH is over what protocol?
[07:11] <delinquentme> i've set securities on my ec2 instance and I need to include something so i can log in
[07:13] <Canadian1296> delinquentme: Check to make sure you have openssh-server installed and port 22 open.
[07:14] <delinquentme> Canadian1296, port 22 is open
[07:14] <delinquentme> and I've been able to ssh in before
[07:15] <Canadian1296> That's odd...
[07:16] <delinquentme> the security setting might not have registered correctly
[07:16] <delinquentme> its cool
[08:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #945453 in etckeeper (main) "README has wrong VCS default (should be bzr, not git)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945453
[09:08] <armaan> hi folks
[09:08] <armaan> does anybody know about login details for oneiric-server-cloudimg-amd64
[09:11] <SpamapS> armaan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images#Ubuntu_Cloud_Guest_images_on_Local_Hypervisor_Natty_onward
[09:15] <armaan> Spamaps: dint work
[09:16] <armaan> Spamaps: those login details did not work
[10:07] <James_KL> hello , installing Ubuntu Server , gives that error x86_64 : http://bitsy.me/img4dy - WTF?
[12:34] <pmatulis> funny bunny
[12:37] <husien> hello guys.. :)
[12:38] <husien> just finish install ubuntu server 11.10 into oracle VM virualbox
[12:38] <husien> problem with ssh-server
[12:39] <oCean> husien: we really need a bit more details :)
[12:41] <husien> i try use putty to connect at my hostname server1.example.com but error
[12:42] <husien> when i use my ip 196.168.x.x   is ok..
[12:47] <oCean> husien: to connect using a hostname, usually a DNS servers exists in networks. But you can also edit your hosts file on the windows client
[12:49] <husien2> ermm
[12:50] <oCean> husien2:  to connect using a hostname, usually a DNS servers exists in networks. But you can also edit your hosts file on the windows client
[12:52] <husien2> oCean, how?
[12:53] <oCean> husien2: actually more of a ##windows question, but I think the hosts file is somewhere in Windows\system32\drivers\etc\
[12:56] <husien2> ok
[13:06] <husien2> oCean, thanks.. its working.. :)
[13:07] <husien2> how about when i start my server i got this --- Stopping automatic crash report generation [fail]
[14:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #693594 in libcgroup (universe) "cgroup-bin should not move kthreadd into a default cgroup" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693594
[14:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #945615 in php5 (main) "XDebug PHP version compatibility issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945615
[17:37] <pdtpatr1ck> Question - can someone please give me a working ubuntu pressed file example and a Preseed PXE example file. For some reason mine does not see the pressed file and keys asking to choose a mirror of the ubuntu archive
[20:03] <hggdh> pdtpatr1ck: just a sec
[20:10] <hggdh> pdtpatr1ck: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/867196/ (working preseed) this is used under PXE, but there are no PX details here. This is Orchestra/Cobbler
[20:20] <pdtpatr1ck> Oh nice! thanks :)
[20:51] <gnome> why can you not share a /home/user/ and then nfs them to all slaves and setup for passwordless ssh.? if they user dir isn't shared and mounted I can easily do passwordless.
[20:53] <gnome> -- using mpic is why i am testing this. seems to me there is a way to make it functional with a shared home, but the NFS file share when generating keys seems to make a mess of what is suposed to happen, short of writing the file, then making it not writable by any clients, and restarting nfs again or rather unmounting then genkeys, then file permission lock on the .ssh folder, then
[20:53] <gnome> remount.
[20:53] <gnome> why does this process have to be so manual.... for shared home with .ssh
[20:54] <gnome> i guess just dont' let it share subdir's.
[22:20] <angelleye> I have a test server setup that was using mod_php.  I was having permissions issues with that, though, so I followed a guide to install SuPHP, which seems to have worked except that now my sites won't load PHP scripts.
[22:20] <angelleye> I see two php.ini config files now, one for mod_php and the other for cgi
[22:20] <angelleye> seems like maybe I need to make my sites use the cgi version..??
[23:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #945941 in samba (main) "smbd crashed with SIGABRT in rep_strlcpy()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945941


[04:43] <Plug> hello
[04:43] <Plug> having trouble creating LVM snapshots under dapper-beta-server
[04:43] <Plug> best suggestion so far was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343671#msg20
[04:44] <Plug> basically, it just hangs
[04:44] <Plug> anyone seen this/got any suggestions?
[04:45] <Plug> which also seems to be
[04:45] <Plug> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/38409
[04:51] <Plug> (...so, seems not to be that at all; its hanging at suspending the LV, even though I've done that already with xfs_freeze)
[04:52] <Plug> and if I xfs_freeze -u - it wakes back up
[04:55] <Plug> strange. ;)
[05:41] <hokatichenci> pretty quiet, anybody alive?
[06:08] <Plug> yep
[06:08] <Plug> but just me, it would seem
[06:33] <hokatichenci> I've got mysql client 4.1 installed and running (connecting manually to the srever works fine), but when I connect through mediawiki which is php it doesn't work
[06:33] <hokatichenci> its like php5-mysql is 4.0 only
[06:33] <fabbione> hokatichenci: -> #ubuntu
[06:34] <fabbione> this isn't a support channel.. really
[06:34] <hokatichenci> ah
[06:34] <hokatichenci> whats it for really
[06:34] <fabbione> for ubuntu-server development discussion
[06:34] <hokatichenci> ah
[06:34] <hokatichenci> i figured it was sort of all purpose, and i'm running ubuntu server, its nice so far
[06:35] <hokatichenci> once I can get this stuff working that is :-p
[06:35] <theCore> fabbione: that isn't what the /topic say
[06:36] <fabbione> for general support see #ubuntu  <-
[06:36] <fabbione> there
[06:36] <theCore> hehe
[06:39] <hokatichenci> whats so different anyways between u-s and normal ubuntu besides the fact that it doesn't come with the bells and whistles
[06:39] <fabbione> wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFAQ
[06:40] <fabbione> or something like that
[06:40] <fabbione> there are goodies in the -server work too
[06:40] <fabbione> U. S. dapper specs: http://tinyurl.com/aen9b
[06:41] <fabbione> but there is no diff between ubuntu and ubuntu-server if not what's on CD
[06:41] <fabbione> the archive is shared
[06:41] <hokatichenci> nods
[06:42] <hokatichenci> I'm coming from a gentoo background where typically the server group is hardened and wildly different
[06:42] <hokatichenci> so my apologies for not seeing the topic hehe
[06:43] <fabbione> no problem
[06:43] <fabbione> just read the FAQ, it's a page and it will give you a good overview
[06:43] <fabbione> if the FAQ are not clear, just ask
[06:46] <theCore> fabbione: the FAQ say that for server related questions, we can ask here ;)
[06:46] <fabbione> theCore: php+mysql interaction is not server related.. keep reading
[06:47] <fabbione> i can run php+mysql on my ws
[06:47] <fabbione> oh actually.. i do
[06:47] <hokatichenci> fabbione, are you running 4.1?
[06:47] <fabbione> 4.0
[06:48] <hokatichenci> heh bloody hell
[06:48] <hokatichenci> I really wouldn't want to have to compile my own php binary
[07:18] <theCore> fabbione: what is the reason why this channel isn't for server software support?
[07:19] <fabbione> theCore: because there is #ubuntu for general support. and people tend to confuse what -server support is with general support
[07:20] <theCore> fabbione: ah, ok
[07:35] <infinity> hokatichenci: 4.1 is in universe and unsupported.  php5-mysql /can/ connect to it just fine, though.
[07:35] <infinity> hokatichenci: If you want a supported (and supportable) confuguration, though, use mysql-server, which will pull in the supported version (4.0 in breezy, 5.0 in dapper)
[07:43] <hokatichenci> infinity, yeah i would think it would be able to connect, but for some reason its not, it depends on libmysqlclient-12 but 4.1 is -14 i think
[07:44] <infinity> client12 can connect to any MySQL version.
[07:44] <infinity> (Unless you changed the configuration on the 4.1 server, or if it's not a Debian/Ubuntu versoin of the server)
[07:44] <hokatichenci> its not a debian/ubuntu version of the server
[07:44] <infinity> Ahh.
[07:45] <hokatichenci> its gentoo atm
[07:45] <infinity> From the Debian/Ubuntu /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[07:45] <infinity> # For compatibility to other Debian packages that still use
[07:45] <infinity> # libmysqlclient10 and libmysqlclient12.
[07:45] <infinity> old_passwords   = 1
[07:45] <infinity> That's the only change that should be required to allow older clients to connect to the newer servers.
[07:45] <hokatichenci> that goes anywhere in the config file?
[07:46] <hokatichenci> hrm I'll have some ubuntu/debian gurus look at it tomorrow
[07:47] <infinity> That goes in the server's config file (on the Gentoo box)
[07:47] <infinity> Nothing Debian/Ubuntuish about it.
[07:48] <hokatichenci> I know nothing about configuring debian/ubuntu still, so I'm lost as to whats installed now heh :)
[07:51] <hokatichenci> am I right to assume at least it would require a custom php compile to get it working without old passwords
[08:01] <infinity> hokatichenci: Or an upgrade to dapper, yes.
[08:01] <infinity> (which uses client15, from MySQL 5.0)
[08:02] <hokatichenci> I do not understand how that works :p I really need to read about debian more
[08:04] <infinity> Again, it has nothing to do with Debian/Ubuntu.
[08:04] <infinity> Just compiling in general.
[08:04] <infinity> The php5-mysql in dapper is compiled against libmysqlclient15, which is the client library from MySQL 5.0
[08:04] <ivoks> not with 15off?
[08:04] <infinity> You're used to the Gentoo world where any ABI change is met with the lovely advice to "recompile everything".
[08:04] <ivoks> :)
[08:04] <infinity> ivoks: Semantics.  Don't confuse the boy.
[08:04] <ivoks> ok :)
[08:05] <ivoks> diff beetwean ubuntu and gentoo/redhat is that programs are "compiled" against packages
[08:05] <infinity> "15off" is just "15 with upstream's official symbol versioning script" (which was, unfortunately, incompatible with OUR symbol versioning script, hence the forced ABI change)
[08:06] <hokatichenci> infinity, yes, I actually like that recompile everything because it keeps everything in check, just takes a while :) The binary speed though is really, really nice.
[08:07] <ivoks> that's hoax
[08:07] <ivoks> how much faster can your app be?
[08:07] <infinity> hokatichenci: You wasted more time compiling than you'll ever regain from speedier binaries, trust me.
[08:07] <ivoks> it's compiled against libc-686 and on kernel-686
[08:07] <ivoks> that's what matters
[08:07] <hokatichenci> Er, I meant from the time compiling vs time installing binaries
[08:07] <infinity> oh. :)
[08:07] <hokatichenci> Its much quicker to install binaries than to compile from source, hah
[08:08] <hokatichenci> I'm well aware theres no speed benefit, I like the flexibility mostly, but thats a whole nother story.
[08:08] <infinity> Anyhow, "recompile the world" is a pretty painful way to handle things like security updates, where we fix the security problem, Gentoo tells you to "just upgrade to the latest version".
[08:08] <infinity> And other such things.
[08:08] <hokatichenci> yeah
[08:08] <hokatichenci> thats what I'm looking forward to if I can get this working, just gotta figure out how to upgrade to dapper now
[08:08] <infinity> The flexibility of use flags is cool, but you find that "flexibile" turns into "painful" when you have a lot of machines to administer, and you're like them all to be identical.
[08:09] <hokatichenci> yeah it can be problematic
[08:09] <ivoks> gentoo is nice to play with your system
[08:09] <infinity> The fact that all Debian/Ubuntu packages are identical, even across architectures, is a pretty big win when you have a large datacentre to look after.
[08:09] <ivoks> it's useless when you need our system for work
[08:09] <infinity> I tihnk Gentoo is great toy for a home user.
[08:09] <hokatichenci> gentoo-hardened project is super nice though, I don't know much about adamantix (debian equiv)
[08:09] <ivoks> s/our/yours/
[08:10] <ivoks> eh, it's 8AM here :)
[08:10] <infinity> 4pm here.  Catch up. :)
[08:11] <ivoks> i'm not sure who needs catching up :)
[08:11] <ivoks> unless you are in australia :)
[08:13] <infinity> I am.
[02:51] <allee> fabbione: [06:34]  <fabbione> for ubuntu-server development discussion
[02:52] <allee> fabbione: but in topic 'ubuntu-server discussions ...'  why not explicitly ubuntu-server development discussions
[02:52] <allee> makes a huge difference IMHO
[02:52] <fabbione> there
[02:56] <allee> now 50 % can surely leave the channel ;)  Not yet sure which half I am in.


[23:36] <CarlFK> I make changes to :/etc/hal/fdi/policy/50-touchscreen.fdi  , restart hal see the changes in lshal, restart X, nothing changes


 Hello everyone I'm using Kubuntu 22.04 using Wayland
 And whenever I close my laptop and open it again then I see this weird thing as shown in the video
 The only option left to me at that time is to shut down the system and restart it again
 What should I do in order to get through this problem.
 Please suggest some solutions
[05:05] <DDR> Oh gosh, I haven't got sleep sorted out myself here, some issue with the graphics card not turning back on.
[05:06] <DDR> You _could_ try seeing if 'hibernate' vs 'sleep' works, or disabling sleep when you close the lid. 😬
[05:06] <DDR> But ideally it would just work.
 The graphics card is
 Operating System: Kubuntu 22.04
 KDE Plasma Version: 5.24.7
 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.92.0
 Qt Version: 5.15.3
 Kernel Version: 5.15.0-73-generic (64-bit)
 Or can you switch back to X11 otherwise?
 Yeah I was using that earlier but I am also using waydroid which only runs on Wayland (re @n_holo: Or can you switch back to X11 otherwise?)
 So I wanted to use Wayland
 But getting this issue
 Should a change of Desktop Environment help..?
 Doesn't matter, it's something with graphics server sorry and\or drivers
 Doesn't matter, it's something with graphics server support and\or drivers
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/354ba0ad/file_66657.jpg
 journalctl -xe
 I ran this command (re @a_k_s_27: journalctl -xe)
 Any idea on what vendor.hwcomposer-2-1 is
 Can anyone tell me a way to report a bug for Kubuntu
[09:43] <mparillo> !bugs
[09:45] <mparillo> Hmm. Is that link 404 for you?
[13:55] <m_tadeu> hi....since amarok seems out, what is recommended for media player and media manager?
[14:28] <mybalzitch> mparillo: is for me
[14:28] <mybalzitch> I wonder if thats a bug
[15:23] <rms> My Kubuntu 22.04 LTS simply froze, could not click anything although my mouse was moving. I believe Plasma simply crashed. How can I resume my work without rebooting next time Plasma crashes?
[15:23] <rms> Was expecting something more stable when I switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu :(
[15:24] <rms> Going into ctrl + alt + f2 and try to restart Plasma did not work so I had to reboot which is not good when you have many working processes
[15:25] <rms> I have RX6700XT and Ryzen 7 7700X
[17:49] <skramer_> Anybody else experiencing issues with Kup backup? Backup does never start on Jammy while it used to work without problems on 20.04. Any idea how to solve?
[18:23] <joseeduardo> Hey you
[18:23] <joseeduardo> Good afternon
[18:25] <joseeduardo> I need to know if I can remove a driver, specefically radeon, amdgpu if the system doesn't using it.
[18:26] <tomreyn> joseeduardo: those are in the kernel. you could remove the 2d Xorg driver, but first of all i'd say know why you "need to" do this. you probably don't 'need to'.
[18:27] <tomreyn> what's the issue you're trying to solve?
[18:29] <joseeduardo> The upgrade to 23.04 fail with dkms building
[18:30] <joseeduardo> Then just the older kernel working for now
[18:30] <joseeduardo> 5.19
[18:44] <tomreyn> joseeduardo: and the error message was?
[18:45] <tomreyn> maybe you 'just' need more space in /boot ?
[18:46] <tomreyn> you can omit some drivers off initrd, and blacklist drivers generally, too (though the latter would not save space, if space is your issue).
[18:57] <joseeduardo> Guessing one have to recompile the kernel with no radeon amdgpu to reinstall, since the system is running on 5.19 and make such change means nothing in the target 6.2
[19:00] <tomreyn> i don't understand why you'd want a kernel without those modules
[19:04] <joseeduardo> Grub is trying to use the shipped kernel that the installation can't build. Stuck in the boot process and just turning power hard to achieve the boot menu in the next booting process that I guess is possible due bios settings boot sequence...
[19:06] <tomreyn> the real question is: why did the extra kernel module fail to build? and would solving this fix the kernel image?
[19:07] <tomreyn> you can boot into older kernels by selecting them from grub's "Advanced" menu. you can bring up grub during boot by pressing escape (uefi boot) or holding down shift (bios boot)
[19:14] <tomreyn> joseeduardo: to explain: dkms only runs when third party modules (drivers which are not already in the kernel) need to be built. and if it fails to run, then you should inspect what it tried to build and how that failed to build, and fix that.
[19:14] <tomreyn> it won't be related to the in-kernel drivers you mentioned
[19:32] <joseeduardo> As I tried mention dkms doesn't do the work to radeon driver. I'll run apt again, it ever output the error.
[19:33] <joseeduardo> make -j4 KERNELRELEASE=6.2.0-20-generic -C /lib/modules/6.2.0-20-generic/build M=/var/lib/dkms/radeon-si/1a/buil
[19:33] <joseeduardo> d...(bad exit status: 2)
[19:34] <joseeduardo> make -j4 KERNELRELEASE=6.2.0-20-generic -C /lib/modules/6.2.0-20-generic/build M=/var/lib/dkms/radeon-si/1a/buil
[19:34] <joseeduardo> d...(bad exit status: 2)
[19:35] <tomreyn> why are you building this driver on your own?
[19:36] <tomreyn> the radeon driver is already in the kernel.
[19:37] <joseeduardo> warning: the compiler differs from the one used to build the kernel
[19:37] <joseeduardo>   The kernel was built by: x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-12 (Ubuntu 12.2.0-17ubuntu1) 12.2.0
[19:37] <joseeduardo>   You are using:           gcc-12 (Ubuntu 12.2.0-17ubuntu1) 12.2.0
[19:37] <joseeduardo> That's from the make.log
[19:39] <tomreyn> see above
[19:41] <joseeduardo> The compiling process is error prone to a compiler name
[19:43] <joseeduardo> Well thanks for all. Maybe the next version fix all that. Anyway 5.19 I'll try to set grub to directly boot 5.19 kernel.
[19:45] <tomreyn> you probably just need to dkms remove radeon-si
[19:46] <tomreyn> sudo dkms remove radeon-si/1a
[20:06] <joseeduardo> It is shipped in 6.2
[20:06] <joseeduardo> Shipped in 23.04
[20:37] <tomreyn> joseeduardo: i don't think so, there is no package which provides the path of /var/lib/dkms/radeon-si
[20:37] <tomreyn> i believe you installed this on your own.
[20:37] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=lunar&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fvar%2Flib%2Fdkms%2Fradeon-si
[20:45] <joseeduardo> I'm figuring out how can one do this mess. The installer tricked me in some yes/no choose option for sure.
[20:46] <joseeduardo> That's was in the upgrading Ubuntu version.
[20:48] <tomreyn> which graphics card do you have there?
[20:48] <joseeduardo> Intel
[20:49] <tomreyn> well, if that's the only one then there is no use in keeping the readeon-si dkms module. just uninstall it.
[20:49] <joseeduardo> HD Graphics 620
[20:50] <tomreyn> but i really, really really doubt that kubuntu would have installed this dkms module anyways
[20:50] <tomreyn> i mean, unless oyu asked it to
[20:51] <tomreyn> and provided some means to put it into place there, because no package provides it
[20:52] <joseeduardo> But the kernel isn't installed. Guessing unistall it in the running 5.19 will mirror in the setting for the intended 6.2 one
[20:54] <joseeduardo> I'm running Lunar 23.04 with previous 5.19 from the Kinetic Kudu
[20:56] <joseeduardo> For sure very strange. no issue in the internet too, exactly
[20:58] <joseeduardo> If there's Virtual Machines software installed
[21:06] <joseeduardo> VirtualBox will require them maybe. just a bet. Good night.


[03:09] <Cheesehead> h00k: Aw, too bad I missed you here in MKE
[19:52] <h00k> Cheesehead: :D
[19:52] <h00k> Cheesehead: I didn't really have much time ;(
[19:53] <h00k> Cheesehead: I do, however, have a layover in Milwaukee on my flight back home which will be next Thursday.


[02:21] <twb> Hello.  I just got a new laptop prototype unit to test oem installation for, and it turns out that the framebuffer during install is misaligned -- basically I get the left half of the display on the right side of the screen and vice-versa.
[02:21] <twb> I've never seen this before; any idea what's going on?
[07:01] <CIA-4> ubiquity: superm1 * r2383 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu.templates): correct small typo in mythbuntu template
[14:25] <cr3> when netinstalling ubuntu, is there a way to prevent the installer from downloading Packages.gz from security.ubuntu.com? the reason I think this is happening is that when I specify my own repository, a mounted alternate image, I get erros that some package like e2fsprogs is not available but it's only because the image has a slightly older version
[14:27] <cjwatson> I saw your question by mail, but have not worked out the answer yet; I will send it when I have done so
[14:48] <cr3> cjwatson: come to think of it, perhaps my network should be configured so that packets cannot go out
[14:49] <cjwatson> honestly I suspect you will just need to use a matching image
[15:21] <tjaalton> cjwatson: so, livecd-rootfs does a 'rm -f ${ROOT}etc/X11/xorg.conf', but could it create an empty file after that?
[15:27] <cr3> cjwatson: in the case of -proposed mentionned by pitty, this might pose a problem
[16:04] <cjwatson> cr3: you could use the server CD image built against -proposed
[16:04] <cjwatson> tjaalton: it can do whatever you like ;-)
[16:05] <cjwatson> tjaalton: feel free to change it in bzr and upload
[16:07] <cr3> cjwatson: right, I mount that CD on httpd, copy over the netinstall files to tftpd, boot the remote machines and it complains that some packages are not there. the Packages.gz file and pool directory on the CD are correct, so I suspect the netinstall is fetching some information from remote. is that possible?
[16:29] <cjwatson> I'll reply by mail
[17:21] <xivulon> cjwatson, the other day I stumbled upon the python module "subprocess", never used it myself, but thought it might have been useful with respect to what we discussed a few days ago'
[17:21] <cjwatson> xivulon: subprocess fails to handle the problem I described
[17:22] <cjwatson> unless you take special measures
[17:22] <cjwatson> I'm already using subprocess
[17:22] <xivulon> ok, didn't know whether you had tried that already or where using os.popen
[17:22] <cjwatson> to clarify, I'm not looking for help; I have addressed the problem to my satisfaction in my own code
[17:22] <cjwatson> that doesn't mean I don't think it's a bug in python with serious implications for using it as a shell replacement
[17:25] <cjwatson> bug 40464 is where I ran into it
[17:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40464 in ubiquity "espresso crashes on partitioning step in Kubuntu 6.06 LTS Beta Live CD" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40464
[17:26] <xivulon> They are in the midst of a major rewrite for python 3k, if an appropriate pep is prepared, they might put that in
[17:27] <xivulon> 40464 must have been a fun one...
[17:28] <cjwatson><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:34] <xivulon> not much followup, hmm that's a shame
[17:39] <cjwatson> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2007-July/073831.html is a better URL, but still no followup
[17:42] <xivulon> I noticed there were no replies to the message, but there are a couple of open bug report that look quite similar: http://bugs.python.org/issue1615376
[17:43] <xivulon> http://bugs.python.org/issue1488934
[17:44] <cjwatson> 1615376 seems to be describing something similar but subtly different (which fds are open, not the signal mask)
[17:44] <cjwatson> though the reporter may be confused; but the bug is certainly not clear
[17:45] <xivulon> http://bugs.python.org/issue1068268
[17:45] <cjwatson> 1488934 may well be similar but it has not been properly analysed, and what the user is suggesting is actually doing the *opposite*
[17:46] <cjwatson> 1068268 is unrelated
[17:46] <xivulon> might be worth to do a proper bug report on the issue
[17:46] <cjwatson> I may do at some point
[17:54] <superm1> what should the appropriate behavior be if someone was to 're-use' a user name when preserving /home?  Should the uid be updated to be 1000:1000 throughout their home directory?
[17:54] <cjwatson> we put this in the spec
[17:55] <cjwatson> "#
[17:55] <cjwatson> "If the user created during the install already exists in /home, reuse the UID and GID from /home for that user by preseeding them.
[17:55] <cjwatson> "
[17:55] <cjwatson> i.e. change our UID/GID, not the filesystem
[17:55] <superm1> ah okay.  i didn't recall what was decided and have the spec handy
[17:55] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityPreserveHome
[18:12] <superm1> looking at user-setup source, it doesn't look like its been implemented yet, but the preseeded value for the gid i'm assuming will be in passwd/user-gid, correct?
[18:17] <xivulon> talking about users, where do I find a list of invalid usernames?
[18:17] <superm1> in the user-setup source
[18:18] <superm1> there is a file called reserved-usernames
[18:18] <xivulon> ah thanks
[18:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity: superm1 * r2385 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/mythbuntu/apply-type): check for existing files related to mythbuntu autostart in a user's home directory
[18:51] <cjwatson> superm1: yeah, I think adduser defaults to the same gid as the uid, but if they happen to differ on the existing filesystem then that would certainly need a user-setup extension
[18:51] <superm1> cjwatson, yeah my thoughts were if someone had installed on top of a different distro that didn't default that same way
[18:52] <cjwatson> please do send a patch for user-setup
[18:59] <superm1> cjwatson, is there a place you'd particularly like me to commit the patch to?
[18:59] <superm1> i only see a svn imported bzr branch in LP
[19:01] <superm1> oh nvm, its part of a core-dev branch.  i'll publish it to one of my own branches
[19:08] <superm1> cjwatson, okay I added the gid patch if you would like to merge my branch here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~superm1/user-setup/preservehome
[19:33] <tjaalton> cjwatson: heh, ok. I was just wondering if it was the right place to work around it :) I'll do it tomorrow
[19:34] <xivulon> cjwatson re wubi related bugs/patches, https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bugs?field.tag=wubi let me know if there is anything else I can do
[20:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity: superm1 * r2386 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Don't allow the user to progress on non mythbuntu master backend roles unless they test their connection
[22:11] <CIA-4> ubiquity: superm1 * r2388 ubiquity/scripts/mythbuntu/mythbuntu_install.py: archive uses dvb-utils not dvbutils


[00:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fenics-ffcx [amd64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1:0.3.0-3] (no packageset)
[08:40] <bdmurray> mwhudson: can you get the smooth_updates conversation restarted?
[09:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gst-plugins-bad1.0 (focal-proposed/universe) [1.16.2-2.1ubuntu1 => 1.16.3-0ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: simplestreams (bionic-backports/main) [0.1.0~bzr460-0ubuntu1.1 => 0.1.0-48-gb936edd4-0ubuntu1~bpo18.04.1] (ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[09:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fenics-ffcx [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [1:0.3.0-3]
[11:00] <rbasak> sil2100: have you seen this failing oem-meta-packageset-sync cronjob on snakefruit spamming devel-permissions@?
[11:00] <rbasak> sil2100: could you disable it for now please?
[11:21] <bdmurray> rbasak: I'll let him know when I see him
[11:26] <holmanb> not sure if there is time in SRU vanguard today or not. cloud-init has a queued for -proposed (22.1-14-g2e17a0d6) that we'd like to request review for upload  into (bionic|focal|impish)-proposed  per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1961446
[11:26] <holmanb> Please also reject the prior unaccepted cloud-init 22.1-1 uploads that are queued for bionic, focal and impish.
[11:29] <bdmurray> holmanb: Is it a priority to get it done this week? A couple of SRU team members are at a sprint.
[11:31] <bdmurray> holmanb: If it is a priority you might try pinging RA_OF
[11:38] <holmanb> bdmurray: it will push back the start of our aging to Monday if it doesn't go in today. It wouldn't be the worst thing, but sooner is better.
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fenics-dolfinx [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1:0.3.0-13] (no packageset)
[12:11] <laney> rbasak: can you fix the owner of https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/jammy/canonical-oem-metapackages to be ~ubuntu-archive? I wonder why it got created with a different owner - does the initialisation process need to be fixed?
[12:12] <laney> ah, I see you already noticed the spam
[12:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fenics-dolfinx [s390x] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1:0.3.0-13] (no packageset)
[12:51] <sil2100> rbasak: hey! You were pinging about the oem-meta-packageset-sync, right?
[12:51] <rbasak> o/
[12:52] <rbasak> Yes, but laney suggests what's wrong above. I'm just looking into fixing that now.
[12:52] <sil2100> I'll take a look, I think the creds might have expired. Will check up soon
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fenics-dolfinx [armhf] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1:0.3.0-13] (no packageset)
[12:52] <sil2100> Oh, ok o/
[12:52] <sil2100> No backlog here!
[12:55] <sil2100> If you need any help or anything, just give me a poke. I'll get back to sprinting madness then
[12:55] <rbasak> Thanks
[12:55] <rbasak> OK owner changed to ~ubuntu-archive
[12:56] <rbasak> Thanks laney!
[12:56] <rbasak> Let's see if that fixes it.
[12:58] <rbasak> FTR:
[12:58] <rbasak> pkgset = lp.packagesets.getByName(name='canonical-oem-metapackages', distroseries=lp.distributions['ubuntu'].getSeries(name_or_version='jammy'))
[12:58] <rbasak> pkgset.owner = lp.people['ubuntu-archive']
[12:58] <rbasak> pkgset.lp_save()
[12:59] <laney> merci rbasak
[12:59] <laney> you should find out in 45 seconds I guess :-)
[12:59] <rbasak> Ah just in time :)
[13:00] <laney> Worked 👍
[13:01] <rbasak> \o/
[13:01] <laney> how come that all only just happened?
[13:01] <laney> I'd have expected the packageset to have existed all along
[13:01] <rbasak> Thanks laney. I couldn't determine the problem from the backtrace
[13:02] <laney> no worries, the 401 unauthorized gave it away to me
[13:02] <laney> probably an 'if you know, you know' thing
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fenics-dolfinx [arm64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1:0.3.0-13] (no packageset)
[13:08] <rbasak> Looks like the jammy packageset was created on 2021-10-15
[13:09] <rbasak> But since then the emails suggest that the script never tried to add any entries to the jammy packageset
[13:09] <rbasak> So this is the first time it got triggered to actually use the packageset perhaps?
[13:11] <laney> it must be that this function wasn't returning jammy up until now https://git.launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+git/oem-meta-packageset-sync/tree/oem-meta-packageset-sync#n77
[13:11] <laney> perhaps snakefruit only just got an update to distro-info-data
[13:13] <RikMills> kubuntu daily ISO build is not getting copied to cdimage
[13:13] <rbasak> Just updating the DMB docs on this.
[13:14] <rbasak> The archive admin team runs/manages the script, right? Not the release team?
[13:15] <laney> yes, but the DMB owns it in that they're supposed to gatekeep all code changes - that's why it is under that team on LP
[13:17] <rbasak> Thanks. I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Canonical_OEM_metapackage_packageset - I noticed that while the packageset was documented the automation was not.
[13:17] <rbasak> I've glossed over packageset/per-series packagesets
[13:17] <laney> looks great
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: 97 entries have been added or removed
[13:48] <doko> Eickmeyer: you uploaded onetbb, do you continue with the transition?
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fenics-dolfinx [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [1:0.3.0-13]
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fenics-dolfinx [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [1:0.3.0-13]
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fenics-dolfinx [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [1:0.3.0-13]
[13:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fenics-dolfinx [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [1:0.3.0-13]
[14:01] <sil2100> rbasak, laney: thanks!
[15:49] <Eickmeyer> doko: I'm not sure. It seems to me that the old tbb needs to be removed first (I did file a bug report about that), but the new onetbb seems to introduce some regressions according to britney. I was going to leave it up to ubuntu-archive.
[16:48] <ginggs> Eickmeyer: these packages need rebuilding before the old tbb can be removed
[16:48] <ginggs> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/onetbb.html
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> ginggs: I see. I also see that some of them are incompatible with a newer libtbb?
[16:50] <ginggs> but at least half of those in level 2 will FTBFS
[16:50] <ginggs> so I think we should revert onetbb for now
[16:50] <ginggs> doko: ^
[16:50] <Eickmeyer> ginggs: If that's the case, we lose numba, which will cause all sorts of issues.
[16:51] <ginggs> Eickmeyer: we already removed numba, what kind of issues will removing it again cause?
[16:51] <Eickmeyer> ginggs: I uploaded a newer version, and part of the reason python3-defaults wouldn't migrate was the lack of numba, and a bunch of packages depended on it.
[16:51] <doko> Eickmeyer: then repackage tbb to have non-conflicting packages?
[16:52] <ginggs> Eickmeyer: numba was not a reason why python3-defaults would not migrate
[16:52] <doko> no, migration of python3-defaults was independent of that
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> OK, let's remove numba and revert tbb.
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> This is what I get for trying to help.
[16:53] <doko> help is appreciated if it's complete =)
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> Well, I had no idea this was going to happen.
[19:49] <mwhudson> bdmurray: ack
[20:26] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-archive: can we please kick myspell out from jammy? removed in sid, bug: #1006134
[20:27] <LocutusOfBorg> ifrench-gut mighe
[20:27] <LocutusOfBorg> *might need to migrate first, others are false positives
[20:54] <jochensp> Hi, could someone help with getting the latest open3d into jammy? Maybe by simply dropping the old ppc64el build?
[21:11] <RikMills> jochensp: looks like a LTO related build error, and when trying the proposed amd64 build in a VM it segfaults on launch
[21:12] <jochensp> RikMills: interestingly it build in Debian, will try to run it
[21:12] <RikMills> jochensp: debian does not build with LTO enabled by default yet
[21:14] <jochensp> but open3d is build with -flto in Debian: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=open3d&arch=amd64&ver=0.14.1%2Bdfsg-7&stamp=1645372419&raw=0
[21:16] <jochensp> (though I guess the incompatible compiler options are from Ubuntu: ‘-mrelocatable’ and ‘-mcall-linux’ are incompatible)
[21:27] <jochensp> small correction: only the Python plugin is build with -flto and Ubuntu building everything with it is probably the reason for the segfault
[21:27] <jochensp> would you still accept a patch to disable LTO for Ubuntu?
[21:35] <mwhudson> jochensp: we've certainly disabled lto on other packages for this sort of reason
[21:36] <jochensp> I guess DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND=-fno-lto should do it, should we push that through Debian or do you want to do a +ubuntu1 version? (I would really like to have the new version in jammy)
[21:37] <mwhudson> jochensp: there is the lto-disabled-list package too
[21:37] <mwhudson> i assume open3d is in universe
[21:38] <sarnold> hopefully helpful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain/LTO
[21:38] <jochensp> universe, yes
[21:43] <jochensp> can I do something to have it fixed in jammy?
[21:46] <mwhudson> jochensp: file a bug in launchpad?
[21:46] <jochensp> against which package?
[21:47] <mwhudson> jochensp: open3d pls
[21:47] <mwhudson> i can do the archive bits, they're trivial enough
[21:50] <jochensp> mwhudson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open3d/+bug/1963556 (thanks :) )
[21:51] <mwhudson> til https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/siof
[21:55] <mwhudson> jochensp: uhhh open3d is already in here
[21:56] <mwhudson> and has been since march 2021
[21:56] <jochensp> but I see a lot of -flto here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/587715572/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-amd64.open3d_0.14.1+dfsg-7build1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:57] <mwhudson> where is this coming from then
[21:57] <jochensp> I don't see them in the Debian build
[21:58] <mwhudson> time to do some debugging i guess
[22:00] <mwhudson> why does open3d have its own copy of dpkg-buildflags??
[22:00] <mwhudson> ah wait no
[22:05] <mwhudson> jochensp: the lto build flags are not the ones ubuntu uses though hm,m
[22:07] <mwhudson> this is going to be cmake somehow isn't it
[22:09] <mwhudson> ah, pybind
[22:09] <jochensp> pybind uses LTO in Debian as well, but not the rest
[22:10] <mwhudson> jochensp: all the hits for flto in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/587715572/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-amd64.open3d_0.14.1+dfsg-7build1_BUILDING.txt.gz are for python bits afaics
[22:12] <jochensp> seems like, yeah
[22:13] <mwhudson> in particular the link of libOpen3D.so.0.14.1 doesn't use anything exotic, so maybe this isn't https://github.com/isl-org/Open3D/issues/4747 after all
[22:16] <jochensp> maybe.. do you have an idea where ‘-mrelocatable’ and ‘-mcall-linux’ are incompatible is coming from in the ppc64el build? (maybe that gives us a hint)
[22:17] <jochensp> here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/588854642/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-ppc64el.open3d_0.14.1+dfsg-7build1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:26] <mwhudson> jochensp: no
[22:26] <mwhudson> but i can try a ppc64el build and see what i can find i guess
[22:27] <mwhudson> -Bsymbolic-functions is always a good bet for "things go wrong in strange ways"
[22:29] <mwhudson> what is *this* person doing https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50746045/how-to-disable-mcall-linux-in-gcc
[22:30] <mwhudson> "It is not a full OS. We do not use RAM. All the executables are loaded in the processor cache."
[22:30] <sarnold> mwhudson: *wild*
[22:33] <jochensp> the unstable open3d packages work in jammy so seems to be something in the Ubuntu build
[23:19] <mwhudson> jochensp: what is the default gcc / g++ in debian currently?
[23:19] <mwhudson> but that's interesting, means it's not glibc 2.35 i guess
[23:19] <jochensp> 11.2.0-18
[23:20] <jochensp> and libc6 is 2.33-7
[23:20] <mwhudson> Ubuntu 11.2.0-16ubuntu1
[23:20] <mwhudson> close enough, you'd have thought


[05:49] <Kilos> morning africa
[07:05] <Kilos> hi ronaldm
[07:05] <ronaldm> Kilos: morning
[08:04] <elacheche> morning africa!
[08:04] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[08:05] <elacheche> wassup
[08:05] <Kilos> everything just keeps moving along
[11:29] <Kilos> i slipped up yesterday and didnt get the guy in ghana's contact details
[12:05] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[12:09] <Cryterion> Hi Kilos
[15:45] <Kilos> elacheche  what about the map?
[17:38] <Kilos> hi Benno-007
[17:50] <Kilos> Cryterion  and others here can you greet new peeps that join if i dont please
[17:50] <Kilos> im expecting some but no idea when
[17:51] <Kilos> ive mailed the ghana lug and they are 230 peeps so there must be some coming sometime
[18:10] <Cryterion> will do Kilos
[18:10] <Kilos> ty Cryterion
[19:06] <Cryterion> This isn't ubuntu related, but would be an interesting read for some http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/africa-uncolonized
[19:12] <stevdok> hello am new here
[19:24] <stevdok> @Kilos got your mail about finding a loco grp in Ghana
[19:25] <stevdok> yes we do have one
[19:25] <Kilos> hi stevdok
[19:25] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-africa
[19:25] <stevdok> but we call it linux Accra users group
[19:25] <Kilos> thats great to hear
[19:25] <stevdok> thanks Kilos
[19:26] <Kilos> it doesnt show in the ubuntu loco teams so i thought theree was only a lug there
[19:28] <stevdok> how do we create one then
[19:28] <Kilos> if you can join the mailing list on launchpad you will get notifications about progress here and the meeting
[19:29] <Kilos> there are links, sorry atm i am short of data but if the see the links here the bot will give then you should be able to get started
[19:29] <Kilos> QA_  google how to start an ubuntu loco
[19:30] <QA_> Kilos: "Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal: Home" http://loco.ubuntu.com/ :: "LoCoTeams - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams :: "LoCoFAQ - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ :: "LoCoTeamHowto - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto :: "LoCo Teams - Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal" http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ :: "LoCo Team Verification - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuid…
[19:30] <stevdok> thanks
[19:30] <Kilos> also there are guys here that have done it so know the ropes
[19:30] <stevdok> any help is welcome
[19:31] <Kilos> if you have time during the day then ping elacheche
[19:31] <Kilos> he might be here now now
[19:32] <stevdok> we are currently preparing for software freedom day as well any team doing same or any advice
[19:32] <Kilos> oh and stevdok please make this channel one of your favourites
[19:32] <stevdok> ok
[19:32] <Kilos> all over the world peeps are preparing for sfd
[19:32] <Kilos> the za team is also planning something
[19:33] <Kilos> aslo invite all your buddies
[19:33] <Kilos> hehe
[19:33] <Kilos> we will have our first meeting next wednesday
[19:34] <Kilos> philipballew  you here?
[19:34] <stevdok> yes
[19:34] <Kilos> you know about starting locos right?
[19:34] <stevdok> ??
[19:35] <Kilos> im philipballew is in the states and stays here and on the facebook page when im sleeping
[19:36] <Kilos> im a bit old to satay up all night like the young guys
[19:36]  * philipballew never sleeps
[19:36] <stevdok> :)
[19:37] <Kilos> lol philipballew can you help stevdok get a loco started in ghana please
[19:38] <stevdok> hello @Philipballew you here
[19:38] <Kilos> stevdok  you dont need the @ on irc
[19:39] <Kilos> philipballew  sometimes takes a while to answer
[19:39] <Kilos> hehe
[19:39] <stevdok> kikikikik
[19:39] <Kilos> all these guys that multitask
[19:40] <stevdok> ok
[19:41] <stevdok> i've started looking around to see
[19:41] <philipballew> here stevdok
[19:41] <Kilos> there was a young guy here asking if there was a loco in ghana last week and i didnt get his info, so i hope he found you guys
[19:41] <philipballew> Im happy to help with whatever is needed
[19:41] <Kilos> ty philipballew
[19:43] <Kilos> philipballew  i have invited their whole lug here
[19:44] <Kilos> i dont think there are any lugs without ubuntu users in
[19:48] <Kilos> hi Na3iL
[19:48] <Na3iL> hey Kilos hows u :D
[19:48] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[19:50] <Na3iL> am good too :D I disappeared a little this mount :P
[19:50] <Kilos> yeah, not serious as long as you come back
[19:51] <Kilos> and next wednesday night is meeting night so plan ahead
[19:51] <Na3iL> ah cool I'll be here surely
[19:51] <Kilos> you have joined our mailing list havent you Na3iL ?
[19:52] <Kilos> i will send reminderas
[19:52] <Na3iL> yup I did
[19:52] <Kilos> reminders
[19:52] <Kilos> cool
[19:53] <Na3iL> otherwise, I did contact some guys which are missed on Ubuntu Africa team
[19:53] <Kilos> thats good to hear
[19:53] <Kilos> only 3 left to find now
[19:53] <Na3iL> and I think that some of them joined us already
[19:53] <Kilos> i have joined teams and mailing lists all over
[19:54] <Na3iL> cool
[19:54] <Kilos> still waiting for replies from the last three though
[19:55] <Kilos> maybe they read mail once a year
[19:56] <Kilos> stevdok  did you join the mailing list in launchpad?
[19:56] <Na3iL> LOL I doubt in this
[19:56] <Kilos> lol
[19:58] <stevdok> not yet
[19:58] <stevdok> just saw approval
[19:59] <Kilos> cool
[19:59] <stevdok> was trying  to go around creating a loco for ghana but too many loopbacks on the page
[20:00] <stevdok> why couldnt there be just create new loco and all info are available
[20:00] <melodie> hi, salut
[20:00] <Kilos> hi melodie
[20:00] <melodie> hello Kilos how are you?
[20:00] <Kilos> stevdok  let me find out more
[20:00] <Kilos> good ty melodie and you
[20:01] <melodie> well, it's been hot, I was in the big town for a special tech even, a breakfast where they introduce the non for profit association to people (550 members in tech things)
[20:02] <melodie> and came back tired because I went late to sleep and got early and it was very hot this afternoon, it ended with a laarge nap!
[20:02] <melodie> :D
[20:02] <stevdok> with mailing list i just send an empty mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:02] <stevdok> ?
[20:02] <Kilos> whew
[20:03] <melodie> yes right :D
[20:03] <Kilos> stevdok  on the launchpad page there should be a button for the mailing list
[20:04] <stevdok> i only see unsubscribe
[20:04] <Kilos> then you are subscribed
[20:05] <Kilos> ill sent a test mail and you can see if you get it
[20:05] <stevdok> ok
[20:05] <Kilos> aslo look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[20:05] <stevdok> on stand by
[20:05] <melodie> Kilos other news, is that I have tested then contacted on their forums Italian people who have created a Ubuntu Openbox, with a control center and additional tools in it
[20:05] <melodie> so we can exchange ideas about methods and tools
[20:06] <Kilos> that sounds good melodie
[20:06] <melodie> and I am now looking for people who code, to help handle the development of a general Openbox Control Center, which should become available for all distributions.
[20:07] <melodie> if there are people who code in the #ubuntu-africa community and interested to help make a really easy Openbox branded environment (without the whole Lxde) there are ideas around that which could be interesting.
[20:08] <melodie> ie: some time ago I discovered a library for graphic user interfaces which allow creating nice GUIs that need less resources than most
[20:09] <melodie> so coders might be very interested to know about it : I compiled it in a virtual machine, met with issues, exchanged emails with the dev, who gave me instructions and finally improved his code (the latest version of it).
[20:09] <melodie> I know a program which makes use of this library for a GUI
[20:09] <melodie> I can show you want it looks like?
[20:10] <melodie> http://maoserr.github.io/projects/redshiftgui/
[20:10] <Kilos> lol no good to show me girl, i am very low on data so not browsing at all
[20:10] <Kilos> but others will see the link i think
[20:10] <melodie> Kilos ok, you can see that another time when you are higher on data
[20:10] <melodie> others can see it
[20:11] <melodie> and the screenshot of the tool also http://maoserr.github.io/projects/redshiftgui/main.png
[20:11] <Kilos> yes i made a mistake with sim cards when supposed to be using after mignight data i wasnt
[20:11] <melodie> Kilos mistakes happen
[20:12] <Kilos> lo, yeah
[20:12] <melodie> the library is developped in Brazil http://maoserr.github.io/projects/redshiftgui/main.png
[20:14] <Kilos> stevdok  did you get the list mail?
[20:15] <Kilos> QA_  google how to form a new ubuntu loco
[20:15] <QA_> Kilos: "LoCoTeamHowto - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto :: "Setting up a LoCo Team | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal" http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/setup/ :: "Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal: Home" http://loco.ubuntu.com/ :: "LoCoFAQ - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ :: "Ubuntu New Mexico LoCo - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeam :: "LoCo Team Verification - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubu…
[20:15] <stevdok> yes
[20:15] <stevdok> thanks
[20:15] <Kilos> good
[20:15] <Kilos> look at the above links to setup a loco
[20:16] <Kilos> im nearly ready to fall asleep now, but i am here all day most of the day
[20:17] <Kilos> stevdok  also remember all linux users are welcome to join us hey
[20:18] <stevdok> yes
[20:18] <stevdok> would do so thanks
[20:18] <stevdok> sleep well
[20:18] <melodie> Kilos sleep well
[20:19] <Kilos> ty melodie , you look after yourself
[20:19] <melodie> thanks :)
[20:24] <Kilos> stevdok  sometimes you just have to be patient, the internet sucks at times
[20:26] <stevdok> ehehehehe
[20:26] <stevdok> i know right
[20:26] <Kilos> ok then night all. sleep tight
[20:27] <stevdok> one thing
[20:27] <stevdok> my reply to the mailing was not sucessful


[05:44] <mighty_aboba> Hi) Does someone have problem with the installing of vcrun6?
[05:44] <mighty_aboba> In wine?
[12:47] <muzzol> hi
[12:47] <muzzol> anyone get ffado 2.1 compiled and working?
[14:04] <holstein> muzzol: do you think you need it?
[14:30] <SUBSTANC3> I just tried installing ubuntu studio w/ a usb, and for some reason, even though we told it not to, it formatted the USB and promptly froze(the reason we knew it was formatted was that it didn't have a partition when I checked afterwords). I'm worred that it's going to do this to my windows partition, and I'm just wanting to confirm that it won't.
[14:32] <SUBSTANC3> I'm using ubuntu via wubi right now, but it's not easy to set up all the production applications that I want to use, and I think ubuntu studio would be easier :)
[14:46] <len-dt> SUBSTANC3, I don't know how you were able to do that. I have installed Studio many times, (3 times just in the past week for testing) and never had that happen.
[14:47] <SUBSTANC3> len-dt: ok, then I probably don't need to worry, but I'll back up my project files and important data just in case. Thanks!!
[14:47] <len-dt> Yes I would do that.
[14:47] <SUBSTANC3> ;)
[14:47] <SUBSTANC3> Also, is there a wubi for Ubuntu Studio?
[14:48] <SUBSTANC3> That would be easiest.
[14:48] <len-dt> So far as I know there is just the two ISOs one for live 64bit and one for live 32 bit.
[14:49] <len-dt> You can run with the live ISO instead of installing too.
[14:49] <SUBSTANC3> Meh, oh well.
[14:49] <SUBSTANC3> There sould be one
[14:49] <SUBSTANC3> I'd use it
[14:49] <SUBSTANC3> But oh well
[14:49] <SUBSTANC3> The problem is that my laptop doesn't have a cd drive
[14:49] <SUBSTANC3> it's an ultrabook
[14:49] <SUBSTANC3> that's also ultra compact
[14:49] <len-dt> I think we would go for an alt first. There are really not that many of us doing things right now.
[14:50] <SUBSTANC3> and they aparently didn't have room to put a cd drive :)
[14:50] <SUBSTANC3> Heh, ok
[14:50] <len-dt> I run on a netbook. Using a USB works nicer anyway.
[14:50] <SUBSTANC3> ok, well i'll try the install again
[14:51] <SUBSTANC3> and if i have any more problems then i'll post them as a bug
[14:51] <SUBSTANC3> or something to that effect
[14:51] <SUBSTANC3> probably i'll check back here first
[14:51] <SUBSTANC3> :)
[14:52] <len-dt> Sure. We are always open. there is not always someone to answer right away, but if the person is still on line we will when we see it
[14:52] <SUBSTANC3> ok :)
[14:52] <SUBSTANC3> Also, are you part of the project?
[14:52] <len-dt> Yes.
[14:53] <SUBSTANC3> Could you include LMMS?
[14:53] <SUBSTANC3> I would find it useful if i didn't have to compile it :)
[14:53] <smartboyhw> SUBSTANC3, respect len-dt, he is the most active dev around these days:)
[14:53] <len-dt> That would take a book
[14:53] <SUBSTANC3> lol
[14:53] <len-dt> to explain that one.
[14:53] <SUBSTANC3> ok
[14:53] <SUBSTANC3> i'll just compile it then
[14:53] <SUBSTANC3> not too hard :D
[14:54] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:54] <len-dt> The app that comes with US is qtracktor, but you don't need to compile LMMS it is available for install
[14:54] <len-dt> sudo apt-get install lmms
[14:55] <SUBSTANC3> It is, however, the latest build is version 10
[14:55] <SUBSTANC3> 0.4.10
[14:55] <SUBSTANC3> i'm working with .13 in windows
[14:55] <len-dt> If we included it, it would be whatever is in the ubuntu repo.
[14:55] <SUBSTANC3> and some of the mastering plugins that I use aren't in that version
[14:55] <SUBSTANC3> ok
[14:55] <SUBSTANC3> then dont include it lol
[14:56]  * len-dt is just checking what is there
[14:56] <len-dt> Ya that is 0.4.13
[14:56]  * smartboyhw is installing the package to see
[14:57] <smartboyhw> len-dt, it is 0.4.10
[14:57] <smartboyhw> In the package.
[14:57] <SUBSTANC3> ok
[14:57] <SUBSTANC3> :D
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Setting up lmms (0.4.10-2ubuntu1) ...
[14:57] <len-dt> What ubuntu has depends on what the latest is in the debian
[14:58] <len-dt> Ok, maybe I am seeing the kxstudio version
[14:58] <smartboyhw> len-dt, you using kxstudio!?
[14:58] <SUBSTANC3> is there a version of it that's compiled?
[14:58] <len-dt> Though it does say Ubuntu Developers
[14:59] <SUBSTANC3> .13 that is
[14:59] <len-dt> I have the kxstudio repo set up on this machine
[15:01] <len-dt> If you add the kxstudio repo (http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/ppa/ubuntu precise) I would guess that is where I get it from
[15:01]  * smartboyhw is using quantal sorry LOL
[15:01] <SUBSTANC3> I might try that, although it might be easier to compile it
[15:01] <SUBSTANC3> :)
[15:02]  * SUBSTANC3 is now afk
[15:02]  * SUBSTANC3 has work to do :(
[15:02] <SUBSTANC3> thanks for the help :)
[15:02] <len-dt> Ok
[15:02] <SUBSTANC3afk> :D
[15:05]  * smartboyhw confirms that lmms .13 is used in kxstudio
[16:05] <SUBSTANC3> len-dt: would it be easier to install it without booting to a live CD and just choosing the install option?
[16:05] <SUBSTANC3> I'm using windows to format my partition
[16:05] <SUBSTANC3> so all i have to do is create a new ext4
[16:06] <len-dt> SUBSTANC3, I always install from the live session, others install from the boot screen
[16:06] <SUBSTANC3> ok
[16:06] <SUBSTANC3> i'll probably do that then
[16:06] <SUBSTANC3> when i was doing wubi, i created a seperate partition
[16:06] <SUBSTANC3> so i'll just format that
[16:07] <len-dt> I like to watch the output from /var/log/syslog while installing for test purposes and it is easier to do that from a live session
[16:07] <SUBSTANC3> ah
[16:07] <SUBSTANC3> ok
[16:07] <SUBSTANC3> is the installation/partitioning process any different?
[16:07] <SUBSTANC3> because if it's the same, then it probably won't matter
[16:08] <len-dt> The installer is the same either way.
[16:08] <SUBSTANC3> ok then
[16:08] <SUBSTANC3> live it is
[16:08] <SUBSTANC3> :)
[16:09] <SUBSTANC3> i was thinking
[16:09] <SUBSTANC3> could i boot the installer with virtualbox
[16:09] <SUBSTANC3> and somehow get it to install on my computer
[16:09] <SUBSTANC3> while runing windows?
[16:09] <SUBSTANC3> that might be a bit difficult
[16:09] <len-dt> That would be beyond my knowledge
[16:10] <SUBSTANC3> but i could probably have the live cd be located in the actual virtalbox virtal partition
[16:10] <SUBSTANC3> and then tell it to install on my laptop
[16:10] <SUBSTANC3> but that might majorly screw stuff up
[16:10] <SUBSTANC3> heh
[16:15] <len-dt> I just put my USB stick in and install it where I want it to go. I use the "something else" option when it asks where I want to install.
[16:15] <len-dt> Anyway, I am going away for a bit now. Talk later.
[16:16] <SUBSTANC3> bye