[15:00] <matsubara> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is matsubara.
[15:00] <matsubara> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
[15:00] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[15:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00] <gmb> me
[15:00] <gmb> (in for intellectronica)
[15:00] <henninge_> me
[15:00] <flacoste> me
[15:00] <bigjools> me
[15:01] <Ursinha> erm
[15:01] <Ursinha> me?
[15:01] <mrevell> me
[15:01] <matsubara> stub, herb, henninge?
[15:01] <stub> me
[15:01] <matsubara> rockstar: ?
[15:01] <henninge_> me!
[15:01] <herb> me
[15:01] <rockstar> me
[15:01] <rockstar> Sorry, was ill yesterday, still not at 1[[%
[15:01] <rockstar> 100%
[15:02] <matsubara> all right, everyone is here
[15:02] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Agenda
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[15:02] <matsubara>  * Next meeting
[15:02] <matsubara>  * Actions from last meeting
[15:02] <matsubara>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:02] <matsubara>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:02] <matsubara>  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:02] <matsubara> so next meeting, same time next week?
[15:03] <matsubara> I guess that's a yes
[15:03] <matsubara> all right
[15:03] <matsubara> [topic] * Actions from last meeting
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[15:03] <matsubara> * rockstar to work with beuno re: critical loggerhead (bug 156453)
[15:03] <matsubara> rockstar: any news about that one?
[15:03] <rockstar> matsubara, working on it.
[15:03] <Ursinha> +1
[15:04] <rockstar> I don't think it's something that's going to happen overnight.
[15:04] <Ursinha> rockstar, is it really critical?
[15:04] <rockstar> Ursinha, well, yes.
[15:05] <matsubara> rockstar: any eta?
[15:05] <rockstar> I bet the LOSAs think it's psat Critical.
[15:05] <henninge> me again
[15:05] <rockstar> matsubara, until we're sure what the problem is, I can't give you an ETA.
[15:06] <matsubara> rockstar: or can you give us regular status report on the bug report itself? critical bugs shouldn't be left like nobody is looking at them
[15:06]  * herb definitely thinks it's critical.
[15:06] <herb> particularly since I got a page about it right before the meeting. :)
[15:06] <rockstar> matsubara, I don't really have much to report on it.
[15:07] <rockstar> It's easy to make it leak memory, it's hard to see where it is leaking memory.
[15:07] <Ursinha> rockstar, nothing, like partial reports, what are you guys thinking to do
[15:07] <Ursinha> ?
[15:07] <Ursinha> oh
[15:07] <Ursinha> see
[15:07] <matsubara> rockstar: by looking at the report it seems that it's been stuck since 2008-11-06
[15:08] <rockstar> matsubara, I can put "Still working on this" every once in a while.  I just don't have specifics, unfortunately.
[15:08] <matsubara> right
[15:09] <rockstar> Okay, I'll do that.
[15:09] <matsubara> thanks rockstar
[15:09] <matsubara> [TOPIC]  * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:09] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Oops report & Critical Bugs
[15:10]  * matsubara hands the mic to Ursinha
[15:10] <Ursinha> ok
[15:10] <Ursinha> mics make me nervous
[15:10]  * bigjools waits for the Karaoke
[15:10] <Ursinha> have two bugs and one timeout
[15:11] <Ursinha> matsubara's bug: 300320
[15:11] <Ursinha> argh
[15:11] <Ursinha> bug 300320
[15:11] <matsubara> that's not critical but it's blocking our work
[15:11] <Ursinha> so the bot isn't here
[15:11] <matsubara> I've asked herb to fix the permission
[15:11] <Ursinha> hahaha
[15:11] <Ursinha> ok
[15:11] <Ursinha> so matsubara filed this one
[15:12] <matsubara> but we need to find out what's resetting the permission every once in a while
[15:12] <herb> matsubara: trying to do some debugging on that, but will reset the permissions after the meeting.
[15:12] <Ursinha> matsubara, indeed, just got one of these before the meeting
[15:12] <matsubara> thanks herb. let me know any news on the report please
[15:12] <matsubara> flacoste: I'm not sure that's a foundations or registry issue, btw
[15:12] <Ursinha> ok
[15:13] <sinzui> Bug 300183 is critical. I just made it critical
[15:13] <flacoste> matsubara: registry
[15:13] <Ursinha> the other is for bugs, bug 300324
[15:13]  * Ursinha kicks ubottu
[15:13] <flacoste> sinzui: you are aware of bug 300320?
[15:13] <matsubara> flacoste: I'll re-assign and coordinate with barry and sinzui then if it's a code or LP config problem. thanks
[15:13] <Ursinha> it's the bug regarding that bug that had its comment 0 deleted accidentally
[15:13] <gmb> Ursinha: I've just triaged that one.
[15:14] <gmb> The simple fix is to delete all of bug 297388's subscribers
[15:14] <gmb> and to mark it private
[15:14] <gmb> hush, ubottu
[15:14] <sinzui> flacoste: I saw it today. I believed it related install problem that is bug 300183
[15:14] <gmb> Doing that will make it invisible, to all intents and purposes.
[15:14] <stub> The OOPS dir permissions are probably being reset by rsync, so the fix is to ensure permissions are set correctly on forster or to tell rsync to make everything locally world readable
[15:14] <Ursinha> gmb, thanks, it's really annoying and I'm just waiting for some nice bugs guy to solve that for us
[15:15] <gmb> Ursinha: Ultimately we want to fix bug 297411
[15:15] <Ursinha> hahaha you just caused an oops
[15:15] <gmb> But it's not easy to do.
[15:15]  * Ursinha kicks ubottu again
[15:15] <matsubara> thanks stub.
[15:15] <Ursinha> gmb, I saw BjornT 's comment
[15:16] <Ursinha> gmb, but for now we need something to stop this bug to oops
[15:16] <stub> gmb: If we only hit the red button for spam, we can do it by changing a load of constraints to ON DELETE CASCADE.
[15:16] <Ursinha> it's filling the summaries with oopses
[15:16] <gmb> Ursinha: Well, hiding it should do that.
[15:16] <gmb> Because veeryone will get "you can't access this bug" eros.
[15:16] <gmb> Erk.
[15:16] <gmb> Waaaay wrong word, there.
[15:16] <gmb> *errors
[15:16] <Ursinha> gmb, hm
[15:17] <Ursinha> gmb, is it the easiest thing to do?
[15:17] <gmb> Ursinha: Yes. By far.
[15:17] <gmb> The trouble is that the Bug table has a lot of dependencies
[15:17] <gmb> And the dependencies also have a lot of dependencies
[15:18] <gmb> So we have to find all the things that might depend upon the Bug record before we can DELETE it.
[15:18] <Ursinha> gmb, well, but do you need that when hiding?
[15:18] <Ursinha> considering hiding != deleting
[15:19] <gmb> UPDATE Bug SET private = True WHERE id = 287411;
[15:19] <gmb> DELETE FROM BugSubscription WHERE bug = 297411;
[15:19] <gmb> (yes, the first number was wrong)
[15:19] <gmb> And that should do it.
[15:19] <Ursinha> gmb, making it private will prevent privileged people to get the oops?
[15:19] <matsubara> gmb: can you add that to LaunchpadProductionStatus page and ask the Losas to run it?
[15:19] <gmb> Good question.
[15:20] <gmb> matsubara: Sure.
[15:20] <stub> gmb: But we can ignore a lot of the dependencies - if this is spam protection, those dependencies won't exist.
[15:20] <matsubara> [action] gmb to add sql to hide bug 297411 as a fix for bug 300324
[15:20] <MootBot> ACTION received:  gmb to add sql to hide bug 297411 as a fix for bug 300324
[15:20] <gmb> stub: Is there a way to do a DELETE without Postgres erroring on un-deleted dependenices?
[15:20] <Ursinha> another oops coming..
[15:21] <matsubara> shit, that action is wrong
[15:21] <matsubara> [action] gmb to add sql to hide bug 297388 as a fix for bug 300324
[15:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  gmb to add sql to hide bug 297388 as a fix for bug 300324
[15:21] <gmb> Ursinha: If ubottu listens to its own drivel.
[15:21] <gmb> Damn.
[15:21] <stub> gmb: No, but we can put up with an oops in that case since an admin is hitting the button when they shouldn't
[15:21] <Ursinha> arrrrr
[15:22] <gmb> stub: I'm not quite sure that I'm on your wavelength here. Are you talking about a fix for the OOPS Ursinha raised or for bug 297411 in general?
[15:22]  * gmb avoids another OOPS
[15:22] <stub> gmb: Bug deletion in general (so wrong channel I guess)
[15:23] <matsubara> Ursinha: anything else?
[15:23] <gmb> stub: Ah right. Yes, let's talk about that elsewhere and not pollute the meeting.
[15:23] <Ursinha> thanks gmb :P
[15:23] <matsubara> I think we can discuss the bug deletion bug in the mailing list or whatever. it's not a simple fix anyway
[15:23] <Ursinha> matsubara, I have one timeout oops
[15:23] <Ursinha> OOPS-1055EC45
[15:23] <Ursinha> I'd like someone to take a look on it
[15:24] <Ursinha> few occurrences but high sql time, after the rollout
[15:24] <Ursinha> ubottu, I hate you man
[15:24] <Ursinha> lol
[15:24] <Ursinha> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1055EC45
[15:24] <matsubara> sinzui: ^
[15:25] <matsubara> can you take a look?
[15:25] <Ursinha> I have an incredible lag today
[15:26] <sinzui> yuck
[15:26] <flacoste> matsubara: could you make the left pane on that page viewport fixed (so that it is always available wherever you are on the oops)?
[15:26] <flacoste> matsubara: the oops report page i mean
[15:26] <Ursinha> flacoste, good idea
[15:26] <matsubara> flacoste: yeah, got that. will do
[15:26] <matsubara> flacoste: and thanks for the suggestion :-)
[15:27] <matsubara> [action] ursinha to file a bug about OOPS-1055EC45 and coordinate with Registry to get it fixed
[15:27] <Ursinha> this is all from me
[15:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ursinha to file a bug about OOPS-1055EC45 and coordinate with Registry to get it fixed
[15:28] <matsubara> let's move on then
[15:28] <matsubara> thanks Ursinha and everyone else
[15:28] <matsubara> [topic] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[15:28] <sinzui> matsubara: flacoste I can pass this to Edwin because I think he has  day for this.
[15:28] <herb>  2008-11-19: Rolled out r7316 to production.
[15:28] <herb> - Bugs #118625 and #156453 continue to be a problem causing us to restart codebrowse on a number of ocassions this week. As we discussed earlier.
[15:28] <herb> - We can probably mark bug #247227 as Fix Released since the app servers have been stable for several weeks now.
[15:28] <herb> - Do we have a decision on if/when there will be a re-roll?
[15:28] <Ursinha> thanks guys
[15:28] <matsubara> thanks sinzui
[15:28] <matsubara> Ursinha: add that the report ^ :-)
[15:28] <matsubara> s/the/to the/
[15:29] <Ursinha> matsubara, will do
[15:29] <matsubara> herb: I talk to kiko about it today and let you know
[15:29] <matsubara> about the re-roll I mean
[15:29] <herb> matsubara: ok
[15:29] <Ursinha> I'll ask him to join
[15:30] <kiko-fud> yes dears
 - Do we have a decision on if/when there will be a re-roll?
[15:30] <kiko-fud> tonight 22:00 UTC if at all
[15:30] <kiko-fud> I have spoken
[15:30] <matsubara> cool. thanks kiko-fud
[15:31] <Ursinha> ok, great
[15:31] <matsubara> thanks herb
[15:31] <Ursinha> thanks kiko-fud
[15:31] <matsubara> [topic] * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (DBA contact)
[15:31] <herb> thanks Ursinha, matsubara, kiko-fud
[15:31] <herb> et al
[15:31]  * matsubara hands the mic to stub
[15:31] <stub> Our replica production database built happily, and maintaining the replica does not seem to be adding noticable load. My worries about diskspace where thankfully unfounded.
[15:31] <stub> We may find that chokecherry's load is too high when we start the appservers using the replica during staging rebuilds. If this turns out to be the case, we have the choice of not using the replica or moving staging somewhere else.
[15:31] <stub> oot
[15:33] <matsubara> stub: and the plan is to have that on production next cycle?
[15:33] <stub> Its just a config change - we can switch it on whenever.
[15:34] <matsubara> cool.
[15:34] <stub> I've got a branch prepared with the config changes and kiko knows already
[15:34] <matsubara> Ursinha: ^ got your answer for waht you asked me yesterday? :-0
[15:34] <matsubara> :-)
[15:34] <matsubara> great
[15:34] <Ursinha> matsubara, yes :)
[15:34] <matsubara> thanks stub
[15:34] <matsubara> anything else before I close?
[15:35] <flacoste> matsubara: i'll land that branch
[15:35] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara and statik
[15:35] <Ursinha> errr
[15:35] <Ursinha> and stub
[15:35] <Ursinha> sorry statik
[15:35] <matsubara> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[15:35] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[15:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:35.
[15:35] <rockstar> Thanks matsubara
[15:35] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara
[15:36] <Ursinha> thanks guys
[15:36] <henninge> thanks Ursinha, don't forget to turn off the mic! ;)
[15:36] <Ursinha> henninge, :D


[01:14] <meoblast001> hi
[01:14] <meoblast001> whats the command that lets you commit changes with a changelog that it lets you edit in nano
[01:17] <Verterok> meoblast001: try: EDITOR=nano bzr commit
[01:17] <meoblast001> it was something else
[01:17] <meoblast001> it was like bzr.. and then a 3 letter work or something
[01:18] <meoblast001> Verterok: any idea what im talking about
[01:18] <meoblast001> or maybe it was 2 letters
[01:18] <meoblast001> i remember it being like cv or something
[01:19] <Verterok> meoblast001: ci maybe? (it's a commit alias)
[01:20] <Verterok> meoblast001: replace commit with ci :)
[01:21] <meoblast001> ok
[01:21] <meoblast001> =)
[01:22] <meoblast001> oh yeah
[01:22] <meoblast001> this is it
[01:25] <meoblast001> Verterok: how do you push again... i forget the exact syntax.. it's been a few weeks since i used bzr
[01:29] <meoblast001> nvm i got it
[01:29] <meoblast001> thanx for helping with the ci though
[01:31] <Verterok> np
[01:32] <meoblast001> =(
[01:32] <meoblast001> i see now updates on launchpad
[01:32] <meoblast001> only 2 revissions
[01:32] <meoblast001> https://code.launchpad.net/~mysticgalaxies/nickybearracing/devel
[01:33] <meoblast001> isnt this proper syntax
[01:33] <meoblast001> bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:34] <meoblast001> ok now its working
[02:51] <Peng_> meoblast001: Yeah, the Launchpad website takes a little while to update.
[02:59]  * jml would like to fix that.
[02:59] <jml> but one thing at a time, eh?
[03:03] <meoblast001> i guess
[03:12] <toabctl> hi
[04:10] <lifeless> jml: the lp website is the definition of 'one thing at a time' ;P
[04:46] <mneptok> lifeless: i hope to have the favicon changed before the US election.
[05:01] <lifeless> mneptok: which favicon ?
[05:09] <jfroy> bzr exploded when I tried to branch a svn repository checkout I have on another machine :/
[05:55] <jml> lifeless: around?
[11:14] <lifeless> jml: very, food too much
[11:15] <jml> lifeless: hah
[11:16] <jml> lifeless: I was going to ask you if you could think of a better name than pyunit3k
[11:16] <jml> lifeless: but I've already settled on testtools, so it's got to be a lot better :)
[11:25] <jml> lifeless: I've rolled back adsorbSuite, so tests-meaning-cleanup should be good to land.
[11:25] <jml> (once I push it)
[11:26] <lifeless> cool
[11:27] <jml> pushed.
[11:28] <lifeless> drop me mail :P
[11:30]  * jml does something on the LP UI that should send email
[17:29] <_Jack_Sparrow_> hello, is there any way to use docdiff with bzr? docdiff prints differences in color at line and column level
[17:29] <_Jack_Sparrow_> I have tried bzr diff --using docdiff --diff-options " --char --utf8  --tty "              but it's not working :/
[17:30] <bpierre> try something like this: --using='diff -bBu'
[17:31] <bpierre> both program name and options passed to --using
[17:33] <_Jack_Sparrow_> o_O is that comment for me? I checked man diff for what those options mean... and that doesn't make sense
[17:33] <_Jack_Sparrow_> sorry...
[17:34] <_Jack_Sparrow_> i understand it now :)
[17:34] <bpierre> :)
[17:34] <_Jack_Sparrow_> thanks a lot
[17:34] <_Jack_Sparrow_> it's working
[17:34] <_Jack_Sparrow_> :)
[17:34] <_Jack_Sparrow_> bzr diff --using='docdiff --char --utf8  --tty' | less -R
[17:34] <_Jack_Sparrow_> does the job
[17:35] <Peng_> Ooh, I didn't know about 'less -R'. Neat.
[17:38] <_Jack_Sparrow_> neither did I until 5 minutes ago... first I googled but then I remembered, let me check the man page first :p
[17:39] <_Jack_Sparrow_> I really find docdiff a usefull tool, too bad it's not "advertised"
[17:50] <kiorky> abentley: hi
[17:50] <kiorky> abentley: im trying to set up a bundle buggy instance locally
[17:51] <kiorky> abentley: i have a problem with trackback errors and mail, it seems that i must have a smtp locally, it is not configurable
[20:13] <Teddy> When I run "bzr check", I get "bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AssertionError: no parent entry for: debian/changelog in tree 0", and a Python traceback.  What should I do?


[04:18] <mup> Bug #1802595 changed: [docs] API annotations do not support '@' in descriptions <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1802595>
[04:18] <mup> Bug #1939078 changed: Allow setting multiple machines as "active" via the websocket <server-side-filtering> <websocket-api> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939078>
[04:18] <mup> Bug #1989738 changed: Deployments failing with "Failed to allocate the required AUTO IP addresses" message <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1989738>
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1802595 opened: [docs] API annotations do not support '@' in descriptions <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1802595>
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1939078 opened: Allow setting multiple machines as "active" via the websocket <server-side-filtering> <websocket-api> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939078>
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1989738 opened: Deployments failing with "Failed to allocate the required AUTO IP addresses" message <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1989738>
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1802595 changed: [docs] API annotations do not support '@' in descriptions <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1802595>
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1939078 changed: Allow setting multiple machines as "active" via the websocket <server-side-filtering> <websocket-api> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939078>
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1989738 changed: Deployments failing with "Failed to allocate the required AUTO IP addresses" message <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1989738>
[14:54] <mup> Bug #1887096 changed: not able to install MAAS from snap on ppc64le <maas> <ppc64el> <MAAS:Fix Released by ack> <Snapcraft:New> <The Ubuntu-power-systems project:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1887096>
[14:54] <mup> Bug #1989738 opened: Deployments failing with "Failed to allocate the required AUTO IP addresses" message <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1989738>
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1743648 opened: Image import fails <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743648>
[21:13] <mup> Bug #1743648 changed: Image import fails <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743648>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1743648 opened: Image import fails <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743648>


[00:46] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, good morning
[00:47] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hey
[00:47] <rickspencer3> dude, just stopping in before I go to a friend's for a bit of a cookout (still Sunday here)
[00:47] <rickspencer3> but, I saw that the GDM bug still did not die!
[00:47] <rickspencer3> Jerone set it back to confirmed
[00:48] <rickspencer3> this is like some kind of zombie bug for me
[00:48] <robert_ancell> groan
[00:48] <rickspencer3> it just keeps coming back to life
[00:48] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:48] <rickspencer3> anyway, I wanted to make sure you saw that it got set back to Confirmed again
[00:49] <robert_ancell> I missed it, seaching for the bug now...
[04:16] <RAOF> Gah.  I'm losing power for ½ hr.
[04:17] <RAOF> Oh, well.  Lunch time!
[07:22] <pitti> Good morning
[07:22] <RAOF> Good morning pitti.
[07:24]  * RAOF wonders whether his router has finished playing silly buggers.
[07:25]  * TheMuso sighs, I think its time to get off the soap box that is ubuntu-devel-discuss.
[07:27] <lifeless> heh
[07:33] <slomo> so, if seb128 comes here again you might want to tell him to sync gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg from debian/experimental but not gstreamer core/base/python (they have a bad bug on x86)
[07:44] <robert_ancell> didrocks, hey, did you do the gdm gconf patch?
[08:05] <didrocks> good morning
[08:05] <didrocks> robert_ancell: the gdm gconf patch? the one calling gconftool, you mean?
[08:06] <robert_ancell> didrocks, yup
[08:06] <didrocks> robert_ancell: yes
[08:07] <robert_ancell> didrocks, it doesn't seem to access the schema defaults when you use the direct access, which is a problem.  Was there a reason why you didn't access it through gconfd?
[08:08] <didrocks> robert_ancell: because gdm gconfd isn't started if you enable autologin
[08:08] <robert_ancell> didrocks, doesn't gconftool automatically start it?
[08:08] <didrocks> and you have no way to start it easily
[08:08] <didrocks> no, because dbus-launch won't put the correct value in it
[08:09] <robert_ancell> didrocks, because you don't have the env variables set when launching it via root?
[08:09] <didrocks> robert_ancell: should be that, I don't remember exactly the rationale right now, but it should be something with env variables
[08:10] <robert_ancell> didrocks, I hacked it a little to make the face browser toggle show correctly when it is unset.  But essentially we have hardcoded some default values for those settings...
[08:11] <didrocks> robert_ancell: urgh, if you can fix it, please do. I don't have enough time to look at it right now :)
[08:12] <robert_ancell> didrocks, I don't know how to fix it :( I was hoping you'd have a clever idea :)  I'm just planning on leaving it - it's only the sound and face browser settings
[08:13] <didrocks> robert_ancell: from the discussion we had few months before, no other choice came than calling --direct
[09:06] <tseliot> seb128_: do you know some upstream developer I can discuss bug 410636 with?
[09:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 410636 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Right-click should not pre-light first option, too easy to accidentally select the first Context-menu option. (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 38)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410636
[09:07] <seb128_> tseliot, hey, discuss what? the behaviour? get patch reviews?
[09:07] <tseliot> seb128_: yes, I wrote a patch for that
[09:07] <tseliot> it's in the upstream report
[09:07] <seb128_> ok, so ad the patch to bugzilla and wait for review?
[09:08] <tseliot> seb128_: yes, it's what I've done so far
[09:08] <seb128_> you can try #gtk-devel on irc.gnome.org otherwise I guess
[09:09] <tseliot> seb128_: ok, thanks
[09:09] <seb128_> you're welcome
[09:09] <didrocks> seb128: if I try to upload evince 2.30.3-0ubuntu1 in maverick, I get it rejected as it's in lucid-proposed (but we can't copy it as we have merged the packaging with debian). What's the best practice in that case? create an artificial ubuntu2 version?
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, just use a newer version number, ie ubuntu1.1 or ubuntu2
[09:10] <didrocks> seb128: ok, thanks :)
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, bug #599169
[09:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599169 in evince (Ubuntu) "evince cbz support is broken on evince-2.30.3-0ubuntu1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599169
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, did you read this one? could you check if that got broken in that update?
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: no, it's rather something that should have been fixed in the update that isn't
[09:11] <seb128> well, in any case could you follow up on the bug?
[09:11] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: the guy who contacted me is upstreamed for that change. He just tried in jhbuild, he will try again with our package
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: yw :-)
[09:12] <seb128> the guy is upstreamed for the change? what does that mean?
[09:13] <didrocks> seb128: the guy opening the bug is the one who changed something for cbz support:
[09:13] <didrocks>     - Fix opening cbz files with [] in archive (Juanjo Marín)
[09:13] <didrocks> (from NEWS)
[09:13] <seb128> oh ok
[09:14] <huats> morning
[09:35] <seb128> didrocks, bug #590094 if you come to do another e-d-s update
[09:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 590094 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "bug-buddy FTBFS on maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590094
[09:35] <seb128> "FTBFS because libebook1.2-dev doesn't depend on libdbus-glib-1-dev like
[09:35] <seb128> it does on Debian"
[09:36] <slomo> seb128: hi :) please *do not* sync the new gstreamer uploads from debian/experimental except gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (should fix your ffmpeg 0.6 problems). the others depend on core <IP_ADDRESS> and this has a very bad bug ;)
[09:37] <didrocks> seb128: well, I'm waiting for a week for maverick now to see if there is interesting upstream fixes
[09:37] <seb128> slomo, ok, thanks for letting me know
[09:37] <didrocks> seb128: subscribing to it
[09:37] <seb128> didrocks, ok thanks
[09:37] <seb128> didrocks, you got the handing of email with "." and space breakage undone?
[09:38] <slomo> seb128: the bug will be fixed in <IP_ADDRESS>, you can savely sync versions >= <IP_ADDRESS> ;)
[09:38] <seb128> slomo, will do, thanks
[09:38] <seb128> didrocks, I didn't see an upload for that
[09:38] <didrocks> seb128: no, you mean backporting this change: http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=9a8b5041b60bc5136dd21efb2e07b1cb172bce12 in lucid?
[09:39] <seb128> didrocks, no, I mean doing the same rollback you did in lucid-updates a week ago to maverick
[09:40] <seb128> didrocks, you remember the bug about write an email to "Name. With Space" resulting in broken emails?
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: no, I wanted it to be part of another round of updates with more than that
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I remember
[09:40] <seb128> didrocks, the current maverick version has the same issue no? I think they fixed it just after 2.30.2
[09:40] <seb128> didrocks, well I think it should be in alpha2
[09:41] <didrocks> I didn't see the rollback in gnome2.30 branch, let me check
[09:41] <seb128> didrocks, maybe you can do an upload with that change and the build fix depends?
[09:42] <didrocks> seb128: right, the only related one I see is the commit I pointed to you before ^
[09:42] <seb128> didrocks, you pointed evolution and I'm speaking about the data server?
[09:42] <seb128> didrocks, different components...
[09:44] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:44] <didrocks> seb128: oh right
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[09:45] <seb128> didrocks, so what I was trying to say is "could you apply the same change you applied to lucid-updates some days ago and fix that depends"
[09:45] <seb128> didrocks, but seems we have difficulties to communicate today ;-)
[09:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not fully on speed yet, it's monday morning but ok I think
[09:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what about you? had a nice weekend?
[09:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i had a relaxing weekend with family this weekend. and i didn't go online for the first time in ages ;)
[09:46] <seb128> nice
[09:46] <chrisccoulson> but i got back last night and find there has been another firefox release over the weekend ;)
[09:46] <chrisccoulson> how was your weekend?
[09:47] <seb128> quite relaxing
[09:48] <seb128> I didn't do much, slept, watched some soccer on TV, went running but it's getting warm for that
[09:48] <didrocks> seb128: well, I'm already interrupted since this morning a lot and a lot added to my plate :/ So yeah, I will do the revert today
[09:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there was a bug in 3.6.4 which forced them to roll another update
[09:48] <seb128> didrocks, ok, forget about it, I will do that later
[09:49] <didrocks> seb128: no it's ok, it's less than 10 minutes changes :)
[09:50] <seb128> didrocks, ok thanks
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> mvo - do you want to fix the regression on bug 429841, or do you want me to do that?
[09:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 429841 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 2 other projects) "broken packaging: package flashplugin-nonfree failed to install/upgrade: (breaks upgrade) (affects: 296) (dups: 139) (heat: 1593)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429841
[09:57] <mvo> chrisccoulson: if you have time now, please go ahead and fix it, should be trivial
[09:59] <chrisccoulson> mvo, ok, i'll do that now
[10:21] <mvo> chrisccoulson: thanks a lot
[10:22] <mvo> chrisccoulson: it would be good if someone from ubuntu-sru can review it (should be trivial) so that we can ask jibel for another test
[10:26] <seb128> hey mvo
[10:26] <seb128> speaking of sru
[10:26] <seb128> pitti, did you say you were blocking the gdm sru on something still?
[10:27] <pitti> seb128: it's in -updates
[10:28] <seb128> pitti, oh, thanks, got confused by bug emails it seems
[10:30] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the eds upload, seems you forgot the depends change? ;-) anyway don't bother with that it can wait next upload
[10:30] <didrocks> seb128: urgh, apt-get install brain -> failed :/
[10:30] <didrocks> commiting in bzr now
[10:30] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[10:32] <seb128> vish, you are dupping things the wrong way around
[10:32] <seb128> vish, you should keep for master the bug opened years ago not the recent one...
[10:32] <vish> seb128: yeah , the later one had more comments/info than the old one
[10:34] <vish> seb128: more importantly it had mpt's comment as to why the behavior is by design
[10:34] <seb128> ok
[10:34] <vish> :)
[10:34] <seb128> I tend to do it the other way around
[10:34] <seb128> copy important comments to the master bug
[10:34] <seb128> rather than changing a zillion duplicates every time there is a new bug wiht an interesting comment ;-)
[10:35] <vish> seb128: yeah , somehow there were two bugs ..each with dups , this seemed easier  , will try the copy-paste next time :)
[11:09] <didrocks> asac is on a MIR fire today :) thanks a lot!
[11:09] <asac> heh
[11:10] <asac> thanks for keeping me motivated ;) ... wanted to do someone else now. but will stay with MIRs for a bit longer i guess ;)
[11:10]  * ogra hugs asac
[11:10]  * didrocks hugs asac too
[11:10] <ogra> grouphug !!!
[11:11] <didrocks> ;)
[11:13]  * seb128 hugs asac
[11:20] <asac> wow ... finally some love ;)
[11:22] <seb128> asac, ;-)
[11:23] <kiwinote> mvo: one of the gdebi testcases is that a package should not provide and conflict another package, however s-c itself provides and conflicts software-store. Is this something that s-c shouldn't be doing, or is it not a valid test case?
[11:39] <asac> didrocks: you prefer old shlibs version mechanism over .symbols ;)?
[11:40] <asac> its ok to approve it like that, but imo .symbols are more failsafe to maintain
[11:40] <didrocks> asac: upstream is using daily build and symbols needs a lot of maintainance, as they keep adding symbols right now (not a big deal for daily build)
[11:40] <didrocks> asac: but I think what I will do is to create packaging branch for daily build derived from ubuntu one, just deleting the symbol file for them
[11:40] <didrocks> just didn't have the time to do that yet :)
[11:41] <didrocks> but I agree, .symbols FTW
[11:42] <asac> didrocks: well. at least we see that something breaks
[11:43] <asac> imo its worth the effort. what you could do is to make a special upload mode for dailies that doesnt use -c4
[11:43] <asac> didrocks: you could have special version number in package name for daily builds and then just dont pass that -c4
[11:44] <didrocks> asac: hum, nice idea, like "if package name contain +r…"
[11:44]  * didrocks adds to his TODO
[11:44] <asac> right
[11:44] <asac> didrocks: i approved them anyway atm. if you need bugs so that doesnt drop off your plate we can reopen and target against maverick or something (also to justify allocating your gtime etc.)
[11:44] <asac> let me know
[11:46] <didrocks> asac: sure, I let MIR opened for now, that should be good. Hope to fix it soon
[11:46] <didrocks> asac: thanks a lot :)
[12:00] <didrocks> seb128: can you refuse empathy in -proposed? om26er pointed me to a patch made for ubuntu (http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?h=gnome-2-30&id=2ef3eae87e929ed67ad4b36ff612dda60febedb4) that will be good to include
[12:10] <pitti> didrocks, seb128 ^ rejected
[12:10] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :) pushing the new version
[12:12] <mvo> kiwinote: conflicts/provides/replaces has a special meaning, see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html 7.6.2
[12:18] <seb128> didrocks, right, that's the one I mentioned the other day when I asked you to do the SRU ;-)
[12:18] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[12:18] <seb128> (was having lunch)
[12:19] <didrocks> seb128: sorry, I had a too quick backlog. It seems that I'm not awake today :)
[12:19] <didrocks> (FYI, the new one is available)
[12:20] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[13:06] <Zdra> seb128, did you know that glib package run all unit tests when building?
[13:07] <Zdra> seb128, that's a wast of time for the build bots, IMO
[13:19] <seb128> Zdra, yes we know, it cost some build time but it also help making sure we don't break thing in one of the base libraries in GNOME, ie it's worth the extra buildd use
[13:21] <Zdra> ok :)
[13:31] <seb128> didrocks, bug #229187 is not an e-d-s bug but an evo one fixed in git
[13:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 229187 in evolution-data-server (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Evolution mailing list does not render accents correctly (affects: 3) (heat: 24)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229187
[13:31] <didrocks> seb128: right, it was an e-d-s with the regression introduced there, I'm changing the target
[13:32] <pitti> if it's relevant for eds too, add an additional task
[13:32] <didrocks> no, it's not anymore
[13:33] <seb128> it's not
[13:33] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[13:33] <robert_ancell> seb128, hellp
[13:33] <robert_ancell> hello
[13:33] <seb128> how are you?
[13:33] <robert_ancell> good
[13:36]  * pitti hugs asac for rocking MIRs today
[13:42] <asac> hehe
[13:43] <asac> from the amount of hugs i got today i wonder if i should only do MIRs in future ;)
[14:11] <desrt> dobey: hey
[14:13] <desrt> dobey: can i get some intltool patch review love?
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> hi ara - is it possible for me to set up test cases on http://mozilla.qa.ubuntu.com/ ? i've been thinking about using this to get feedback on our normal regular security updates (although it's not something i'm working on right now)
[14:26] <ara> chrisccoulson, adding new ones requires access to the database, but managing the already available ones is something you could do
[14:26] <ara> chrisccoulson, and if you need to add new ones, I could help on that
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> ara - thanks. once the dust has settled with the current updates, i will create a set of test cases we can use for the regular updates
[14:27] <ara> cool, let me know how I can help :)
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> at the moment, it's difficult to know whether people are testing updates or not, as we only find out when things go wrong (and we get bug reports)
[14:58] <kiwinote> mvo: I've pushed the deb support for s-c to lp:~kiwinote/software-center/deb-files
[14:58] <kiwinote> mvo: there are a few things things I should try to clean up, but I think that the code itself is ready
[15:11] <mvo> kiwinote: cool, I have a look
[15:12] <fagan> mvo: do you have a minute
[15:12] <fagan> im working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling and there is a bit that I have to do for software-properties
[15:13] <fagan> im just wondering where to look to do the changes
[15:13] <fagan> the source is a bit weird for me because its has the kde and the gnome versions in there
[15:16] <fagan> I have the glade bit done but im just wondering where the python connect events are and all
[15:20] <mvo> fagan: sweet, you work on that? that is excellent!
[15:20] <mvo> fagan: a lot of it happens by magic via the SimpleGtkbuilderApp
[15:20] <fagan> mvo: yep
[15:21] <mvo> fagan: the biggestest change required to make it work is to move all the sources.list writing stuff into a dbus module. or better use aptdaemon for it that already exports a lot of this via dbus
[15:21] <mvo> fagan: the rest is hopefully straightforward. with the dbus change it can run as the normal user
[15:21] <fagan> mvo: well I was just starting by doing the cosmetic stuff
[15:22] <fagan> :D
[15:22] <fagan> I havent really thought about the dbus stuff yet I was just going to leave it as is
[15:31] <mvo> fagan: the problem is that without the dbus change some of this can not be implemented in a clean way AFAICS. the new layout mixes user settings and system settings
[15:31] <mvo> fagan: if it runs as root it can not write to the users gconf
[15:32] <mvo> fagan: its still create if you create the branch and work on the UI etc, that helps a lot
[15:32] <fagan> hmmm then cool
[15:32] <mvo> fagan: I hope I will find a bit of time to do the dbus wiring
[15:32] <fagan> ill see what I can do in the meantime
[15:32] <fagan> ill let you know if I can do it
[15:34] <mvo> thanks
[15:34] <mvo> sounds good
[15:44] <glatzor> pitti, hello, have you followed the automatic hardware installation discussion on debian-devel?
[15:46] <pitti> glatzor: I'm not on d-d, so no
[15:47] <fagan> mpt_: I have a quick question if you are around
[15:47] <mpt_> fagan, yep
[15:48] <fagan> mpt_: I have a little weird thing in the software properties thing and that is your mockup diverges from the way its being done currently for the top label that says "ubuntu updates"
[15:48] <fagan> because it diverges from debian
[15:49] <fagan> so if im to change the "ubuntu updates" label ill be changing how it is in debian too because we both use the same dialog
[15:49] <fagan> you see you removed that button altogether
[15:49] <mpt_> fagan, the heading is already OS-specific, it already says "Ubuntu updates"
[15:49] <fagan> mpt_: actually it detects it
[15:50] <glatzor> pitti, Petter Reinholdtsen (skole linux) would like to have a mechanism to install hardware related packages e.g. installing mpt-status package if the raid driver is in use
[15:50] <fagan> and displays it as ubuntu if its on ubuntu or debian if its on debian
[15:50] <pitti> glatzor: can we talk tomorrow? I have a long phone call now, and then dinner/Taekwondo
[15:50] <pitti> good night everyone!
[15:50] <fagan> so should I remove that label altogether like it is in your mockup?
[15:50] <pitti> glatzor: (sorry)
[15:50] <fagan> night pitti
[15:50] <glatzor> Pitti no problem
[15:50] <glatzor> see you!
[15:51] <fagan> mpt_: its just a small thing ill do it and see if anyone has an issue later
[15:52] <fagan> its not hard to put the label back
[15:52] <mpt_> fagan, what was the question?
[15:52] <fagan> mpt_: should I remove the label and diverge from the way it is at the moment?
[15:52] <fagan> because at the moment its shared and not os specific
[15:53] <fagan> if I remove it then it would be changing the debian look too
[15:53] <fagan> ah ill just remove it
[15:53] <fagan> :D
[15:53] <fagan> its hard to explain
[15:53] <mpt_> fagan, I don't mind whether the Debian one changes or not
[15:54] <fagan> mpt_: ok
[15:54] <fagan> just thought I should ask before I change it for both
[15:54] <mpt_> ok
[15:57] <fagan> mpt_: its going well though ill have a merge soonish
[15:57] <mpt_> great
[16:10] <fagan> mvo: is it ok that I change how it detects the intervals and if the auto updates are disabled?
[16:11] <fagan> ill test it afterwards so I wont make any bugs
[16:13] <vish> kenvandine: hi , when you get time could you review the 3 patches for the adium theme?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/adium-theme-ubuntu/+patches
[16:29] <asac> kenvandine: can we stop filling .xsession-errors with gwibber stuff? thx!
[16:33] <asac> kenvandine: scratch that ... it was mumble ;)
[16:49] <jcastro> didrocks: so new netbook. on install the netbook task in the installer didn't seem to bring in -places and -applications
[16:52] <didrocks> jcastro: when did you install it? the only recent respin was today
[16:52] <jcastro> didrocks: this weekend
[16:52] <jcastro> also: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/599425
[16:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599425 in unity "poor battery performance in Unity (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[16:52] <jcastro> a friend ran into this
[16:53] <didrocks> jcastro: so, you didn't have a version with places as no image build
[16:53] <jcastro> he's not sure if it's because of the initial scanning (or whatever zeitgeist does) or a long-term problem
[16:53] <didrocks> jcastro: let me check on the manifest right now
[16:53] <didrocks> njpatel: ^ ?
[16:53] <didrocks> (not for places, but low battery)
[16:53] <didrocks> jcastro: not related, but can you ps aux | grep gnome-keyring in your unity session, please?
[16:54] <didrocks> (the places are in today's CD manifest)
[16:55] <jcastro> oh ok, didn't know if they were supposed to be or not
[16:56] <jcastro> didrocks: it appears to be running
[16:56] <hyperair> does anyone know of an issue between OO.o impress, and slide shows not being fullscreen under compiz?
[16:57] <didrocks> jcastro: ok, thanks a lot :)
[16:57] <didrocks> so, it's a race :/
[16:57] <didrocks> hyperair: bug #525807
[16:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 525807 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 4 other projects) "[upstream] [3.2.1] OOo Slide Show and Fullscreen modes - not full screen under compiz (affects: 93) (dups: 6) (heat: 486)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525807
[16:59] <jcastro> didrocks: oddly enough, I can't find places or apps in the archive at all?
[16:59] <didrocks> jcastro: unity-place-applications and unity-place-files?
[17:01] <didrocks> jcastro: amd64?
[17:01] <jcastro> yeah
[17:03] <njpatel> didrocks, jcastro: zeitgeist, initially, would just look at your recently-used.xbel
[17:03] <njpatel> didrocks, jcastro: we don't do any tracker-esqe indexing other than file-names
[17:03] <didrocks> jcastro: it seems it build-dep
[17:04] <didrocks> jcastro: but the build-dep was there, let's have a retry
[17:04] <jcastro> njpatel: can you put that in the bug report for him? I'll ask him to investigate.
[17:04] <njpatel> jcastro, sure
[17:05] <jcastro> njpatel: that is reassuring though!
[17:05] <jcastro> njpatel: theoretically UNE shouldn't take more battery than a normal desktop right?
[17:08] <hyperair> didrocks: thanks. weird that it's still not fixed, considering lucid's an SRU.
[17:08] <njpatel> jcastro, yep, no more than normal Ubuntu + Compiz
[17:08] <njpatel> jcastro, I've updated the bug
[17:10] <seb128> hyperair, what lucid sru?
[17:13] <hyperair> seb128: er sorry, i meant LTS. my brain just isn't functioning.
[17:15] <seb128> well being a lts doesn't bring magically extra contributors or hours in the days
[17:16] <seb128> it has been triaged and assigned but other tasks and some real life issues made work from ccheney on it to be delayed
[17:16] <seb128> would still be nice to fix for lucid .1 though and we are aiming at that
[17:16] <seb128> contributions to a fix are welcome btw ;-)
[17:16] <micahg> seb128: is there a freeze for lucid .1?
[17:17] <hyperair> seb128: well i'd love to contribute, but unfortunately, i have to give a presentation in less than 24 hours.
[17:17] <seb128> hyperair, turn compiz off for the presentation I guess
[17:18] <jcastro> hyperair: export to pdf and use evince, that's what I did
[17:18] <seb128> micahg, not sure there is an hard freeze line but uploads should be done this week ideally
[17:18] <micahg> seb128: even though .1 isn't scheduled to be released for 4.5 weeks?
[17:20] <seb128> micahg, yes, they count on around 3 weeks to get the updates image validated, hardware certified etc
[17:20] <micahg> seb128: oh, I didn't know that...k, well I think my package isn't seeded anyways though
[17:22] <micahg> seb128: if my package isn't on a CD am I ok just to have it done before the CD is released?
[17:23] <seb128> well, depends
[17:23] <seb128> is it on the DVD?
[17:23] <micahg> seb128: it's enigmail-locales
[17:23] <seb128> if not I guess so, you wouldn't care of .1 anyway since people will get that update online only
[17:24] <seb128> right, it's in universe
[17:24] <micahg> seb128: so, it's not on the DVD then?
[17:24] <seb128> no
[17:24] <seb128> so you can update whenever you want
[17:24] <seb128> it will not be on CD or DVD images so people will need to go online in any case and will get the current version
[17:25] <micahg> k, I'll just make sure to have it done before the .1 release, I used that as a milestone since I figured some people will wait to upgrade until then
[17:25] <seb128> right
[17:25] <seb128> lts to lts updates are not displayed in update-manager until .1
[17:26] <micahg> ah, perfect then :)
[17:26]  * micahg will try for a backport of lightning by then as well, but no guarantees
[17:27] <ccheney> seb128, i am hoping to have some spare time to work on my OOo related issues today
[17:27] <ccheney> seb128, i got a updated build done and need to verify my various assigned bugs are actually fixed, etc
[17:28] <seb128> ccheney, ok, thanks
[17:29] <micahg> ccheney: BTW, there are still some duplicate dictionaries in Maverick, I'll file bugs
[17:30] <didrocks> seb128: do you know what's the gnome daemon name which launches other apps when you trigger a keyboard shortcut?
[17:30] <ccheney> micahg, ok np, assign the bugs to me and i'll have a look at them asap
[17:30] <micahg> ccheney: thanks
[17:30] <ccheney> micahg, i am pretty busy though so hopefully that won't be too long from now
[17:31] <ccheney> micahg, if i haven't fixed them by eow ping me again
[17:31] <ccheney> micahg, unless you need them sooner
[17:32] <micahg> ccheney: k, no rush, just want to make sure we get them all this time :), I probably won't file the bugs till Wed
[17:33] <seb128> didrocks, gnome-settings-daemon
[17:33] <ccheney> micahg, ok, remind me when you do file them
[17:33] <micahg> ccheney: k, thanks
[17:33] <ccheney> micahg, then i can look and try to get them done quickly
[17:34] <didrocks> seb128: I was going to say that this time :-) but why when I kill it, I'm still available to launch a terminal with Ctrl + Alt + T?
[17:34] <didrocks> (and it didn't respawned)
[17:34] <didrocks> respawn*
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, that one might be handled by the WM
[17:35] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hum, that will explain almost everything so. Thanks :-)
[18:35] <ccheney> rebooting irc machine, bbs
[18:51] <ccheney> anyone know if maverick is stable enough to use on a fairly important but development box at the moment?
[20:04] <geser> I upgraded my box from lucid to maverick yesterday, and no problems so far
[23:33] <TheMuso> Good morning.


[08:46] <de-facto> where is the common network config ?
[09:15] <Slashman> hello, on Ubuntu 20.04, why is there 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="maybe-ubiquity"' in /etc/default/grub after a server install? is it safe to remove it?
[09:15] <Slashman> I also see a process "/sbin/init maybe-ubiquity"
[10:25] <maret> Hi, I would like to figure out what was the highest values per process (run in screen) or just per last 24 hours for CPU, IO and Memory. Simple I am running few processes in paralel over night and I need to find out whats bottleneck
[17:07] <hydrian> Ello all
[17:10] <hydrian> I have LVM VG Storage for my KVM instance. I expanded one of the LVs fot one of the disks that active in one of my guest VMs.
[17:11] <hydrian> KVM doesn't see that the LV has been expanded (via lvextend).
[17:12] <hydrian> Is there a way to force a refresh without restarting the system?
[17:21] <hydrian> After a `virsh pool-refresh --pool POOL_NAME` the KVM pool sees the difference.
[17:22] <hydrian> Now how do I get the guest VM to see the change? I tried rescanning the SCSI drive bus but it isn't helping.
[17:24] <hydrian> This is a virt-block device.
[18:30] <RoyK> hydrian: no idea - but perhaps the guys at #virt @ irc.oftc.net can help
[19:35] <tomreyn> hydrian: hmm, i guess that's what i'd done as well, maybe run partprobe, too. In the end, since this will likely be a partitioned device inside the guest, you'll need to repartition to span the full disk, then resize file systems (or intermediary block device layers, if any)
[19:55] <hydrian> tomreyn: The problem was that the Guest OS didn't get notification to update the geometry of the drive.
[19:57] <hydrian> Typically existing drives don't change geometry once installed. They can be added/removed but don't change. Partitions change though.
[20:18] <tomreyn> hydrian: but the scsi bus scan should have helped there, shouldn't it? i guess i doesn't work in all scenarios.
[20:23] <hydrian> It didn't. Not sure if it is because virtio-block runs on the 'ATA' bus. I though all of the ATA devices have been backed by the SCSI bus a long time ago in the kernel. Like 2.6 days.
[20:23] <sdeziel> hydrian: https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/docs/staff/procedures/live-resize/ seems to suggest virtio-blk support live resize
[20:24] <sdeziel> hydrian: can you check in dmesg?
[20:25] <hydrian> sdeziel: I was
[20:26] <hydrian> When I'd rescan the SCSI bus, I'd see the bus scan, but no changes.
[20:26] <sdeziel> I'd guess that `virsh blockresize` signals qemu about the changes to the underlying disk
[20:26] <hydrian> To verify, I would run parted /dev/vdd and check the size
[20:26] <hydrian> sdeziel: I couldn't get that to work.
[20:27] <hydrian> It may because I'm not using a file for VM. I'm using RAW LVM.
[20:28] <hydrian> The working examples was with an .IMG file.
[20:28] <sdeziel> lvm is used in the link I provide
[20:29] <sdeziel> hydrian: what error did you get from blockresize?
[20:30] <hydrian> virsh # qemu-monitor-command Ruadan block_resize --hmp drive-virtio-disk8 90G
[20:30] <hydrian> Error: Cannot find device=drive-virtio-disk8 nor node_name=
[20:31] <hydrian> Ruadan is the VM. I verifed the device name many times overy.
[20:31] <hydrian> over
[20:32] <hydrian> sdeziel: ^
[20:34] <sdeziel> hydrian: I don't know about qemu-monitor-command but I'd give "sudo virsh blockresize $VM /dev/vg/$VM <size in bytes>B" a try
[20:36] <hydrian> sdeziel: Didn't know that command existed. All of info I found from google said I had to go through the qemu-monitor command or it wasn't possible. Most of it was from the RHEL 5-6 days though.
[20:36] <hydrian> I gave up and bounced the machine a while back.
[20:36] <sdeziel> oh OK :)
[20:37] <hydrian> I am trying to update my wiki for how I do this. I always forget how to do but I end up doing once every 6 month and forget how to do it every time.
[20:45] <sdeziel> VMs are cheap, you can always create a dummy VM to document the process ;)
[20:47] <hydrian> Yea... but this is just personal. Not work situation.


[02:38] <olly> hmm, the main "Featured Project" on the launchpad front page is Drizzle, which seems to have been dead for years
[03:39] <G> heh, I ended up trying to access the old AWS Go library via launchpad last night, more a sign of the project I was updating though


[15:06] <douglasawh-work> OT: does anyone know anything about Excel macros?  I've got a user with some problems and I don't even know where to start
[17:57]  * Cheesehead mixes a new pitcher of lemonade


[12:09] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Did you want me to push qt?gtk2 somewhere just for testing/using?
[13:21] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-datetime-plugin 0.8.3 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:30] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin 2.7.2 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00779.html


[00:21] <cjmaynar_> hey, so I've got a home server setup, and I've got my domain forwarding a subdomain to it, but as soon as i visit that subdomain, it just goes to the ipaddress, how would i set it up to keep the subdomain/domain?
[00:53] <KnightHacker> cjmaynar_: How did you set up "domain forwarding a subdomain to it"?
[00:53] <KnightHacker> Did you create a DNS record?
[00:56] <data_bits> how do I check to see if acl is running  ?
[00:57] <data_bits> I had my acl configured and setup, but I restarted now it does not seem like it is setting the permission for my web directory anymore
[02:07] <latenite> Hi folks, i am looking for a tool. Some "webcalendar"  (user edit their calendar with a browser) that ALSO supports CALDAV. I want my iphone and also my emailclients (evolution+thunderbird) to use this calendar with CALDAV. Woud you any tool/suite? thanks :)
[03:02] <data_bits> ugh my acl just quit working on my website directory for some reason
[03:03] <data_bits> just out of the blue for some reason when I upload to my web directory my permissions are all screwy now
[03:41] <data_bits> well I got it working now
[03:41] <data_bits> I think my fstab or something is jacked
[03:42] <data_bits> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[03:42] <data_bits> #
[03:42] <data_bits> # Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
[03:42] <data_bits> # for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
[03:42] <data_bits> # devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[03:42] <data_bits> #
[03:42] <data_bits> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:42] <data_bits> proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0
[03:42] <data_bits> # / was on /dev/sda1 during installation
[03:42] <data_bits> UUID=eb23839d-9487-4f17-a9cf-ecee011fe63d /               ext4    errors=remount-ro,acl 0       1
[03:42] <data_bits> # swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
[03:42] <data_bits> UUID=5b4f4d4f-2e5b-4d0d-b340-26e2a12916ee none            swap    sw              0       0
[03:42] <vraa> please use pastebin next time - http://ubuntu-server.pastebin.com/
[04:01] <data_bits> sorry about that ... was not aware of the pastebin
[04:04] <jose120photo> anyone in here have experience running tomcat on ubuntu server?
[06:01] <Dantes13> Tried to setup 10.04 server with software raid 1.  2 hard drives.  2 standard partitions with /boot and swap, then lvm for root, tmp, var/log, etc...  Install goes fine, but on reboot it hangs at the spash screen.  When I do mdadm --detail on each raid, all non LVM arrays (/boot and swap) won't activate.  Has anyone seen this?
[06:53] <eagles0513875> Dantes13: if im not mistaken you have to set the whole drive to be an lvm drive im not 100% sure
[07:27] <MACscr> are the cloud tools for ubuntu that i see at ubuntu.com included with the server edition of ubuntu server or at least freely available?
[07:30] <MACscr> nvm, looks like it does
[07:31] <MACscr> or maybe not. Seems there is a mix of a few things
[07:34] <jmarsden> MACscr: If you could be more specific about which tools where on ubuntu.com, others might be in a better position to help answer your question.  Ubuntu server does include tools sufficient to create your own private cloud and manage it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC
[07:44] <demonspork> how do I get mysql to listen to only a single internet IP address as well as localhost?
[07:46] <MACscr> jmarsden: does it allow you to pick what technology you want it to manage? such as xen or kvm
[07:57] <jmarsden> MACscr: I'm not sure.  I've played with it a few months back but only as a trivial experiment, not real world usage.
[07:57] <jmarsden> demonspork: You don't, as far as I know.  the bug is still open: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=14979
[08:05] <demonspork> well, what I am trying to do is make it listen but only let it accept connections from a single remote IP address, I don't care how many interfaces it binds to
[08:06] <jmarsden> demonspork: Oh, then comment out the bind_address line from my.cnf, and then packet filter things so only the one remote client can connect to its port (usually 3306).
[08:07] <demonspork> ah, k
[08:08] <demonspork> although that limitation you linked me to is rather odd - that is something I would assume it could do
[09:19] <HackeMate> hello
[09:19] <HackeMate> I'm looking for some tutorial about logrotate, I'm unable to make save logs for 4 months
[09:20] <HackeMate> I followed some webtuto but can't make it work
[09:20] <HackeMate> the man logrotate doesn't help me at all
[09:23] <joschi> HackeMate: you just have to keep as many rotated logs ("rotate X") as fit into 4 months when considering your rotation interval (daily, weekly, monthly)
[09:29] <HackeMate> where to set up that
[09:30] <HackeMate> I have the dhcpd stored in /var/log/dhcpd/dhcpd.log
[09:30] <HackeMate> I wanted to separate it daily and for 4 months
[09:31] <HackeMate> # rotate log files weekly
[09:31] <HackeMate> weekly
[09:31] <HackeMate> Instead that, i put monthly?
[09:32] <homecable> var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs <<< whats that
[09:43] <joschi> HackeMate: in your /etc/logrotate.conf or better in /etc/logrotate.d/$customfile
[09:44] <HackeMate> there is where I fail, what $customfile I put, I guess anything I can remember
[09:45] <joschi> HackeMate: correct
[09:45] <HackeMate> but I dont know what to add inside, /var/log/dhcpd/dhcpd.log?
[09:45] <HackeMate> or just /var/log/<service name>
[09:45] <HackeMate> I also guess /var/log/dhcpd/dhcpd.log ?
[09:47] <joschi> homecable: http://lwn.net/Articles/115405/
[09:47] <joschi> HackeMate: the syntax is described in `man logrotate` (http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/logrotate.8.html)
[09:47] <joschi> HackeMate: you can also take another of the files in there as a template for your own
[09:48] <HackeMate> yes I was reading those templates but they don't say what the last /word is
[09:48] <HackeMate> # no packages own wtmp, or btmp -- we'll rotate them here                                                           /var/log/wtmp {
[09:48] <HackeMate> it's the same
[09:50] <joschi> HackeMate: "last /word"?
[09:51] <HackeMate> /var/log/wtmp { <- what is wtmp really, a servicename? or a logfile
[09:51] <joschi> HackeMate: it's the file /var/log/wtmp
[09:51] <joschi> HackeMate: really, read the manpage. it's not that hard
[09:52] <HackeMate> my english is not that good
[09:52] <HackeMate> well, I will see if the google translator is powerful in this case
[12:37] <eagles0513875> hey guys any postfix experts around?
[13:03] <\sh> eagles0513875: just ask your question
[13:23] <Tuzlo_> morning all, I know this really isnt the polace to ask hardware questions, but I was planning on installing Ubuntu on my Dell Poweredge 1850. I dont know if I messed up the scsi settings or whether I have a bad scsi drive. Is there anyone around right now that can afford to help me?
[13:31] <hallyn> gah - anyone remember the name of the cloud provider that had a table at UDS-n, who was givign away 20 hours?
[13:32] <hallyn> i saw them at linuxcon too, but can never remember their name
[13:32] <Nafallo> atlantic.net
[13:36] <hallyn> yes, thanks!
[14:17] <Tuzlo_> I am planning on installing Ubuntu-server on my Dell Poweredge 1850. Is there anyone around to assist with setting up the scsi controller and drives?
[15:23] <kirkland> cjwatson: hmm, so i'm quite surprised today to install a stock Ubuntu 10.10 server, and neither screen nor vim get installed
[15:24] <kirkland> cjwatson: this is a regression since 10.04
[15:24] <kirkland> cjwatson: checking the server seed, both screen and vim are there
[15:25] <kirkland> cjwatson: perhaps the server cd is no longer using the server seed?
[15:38]  * Datz remembers haveing to install screen on ~~
[15:38] <Datz> eh
[15:38] <Datz> 10.04
[15:54] <osmosis> if libvirt is unable to return network statistics, im essentially unable to use ubuntu server in my production environment. too bad.
[15:59] <soren> osmosis: Does the logs show anything when you attempt to get it?
[16:00] <osmosis> soren,  any specific log?
[16:04] <Tuzlo_> Does anyone have exoerience with nistalling Ubuntu-server on a dell Poweredge 1850 that has time to help me get this on
[16:04] <osmosis> soren, i will dig into the logs next time the issue occurs. i dont know the trigger, so it happens randomly.
[16:31] <Tuzlo_> Does anyone have experience with installing Ubuntu-server on a dell Poweredge 1850 that has time to help me get this on. I have only installed linux distro's on PC's in the past, dont wanna mess up this machine more than I already have.
[16:32] <ikonia> Tuzlo_: it's pretty much the same process
[16:33] <Datz> would someone here be able to help me with phpmyadmin?
[16:40] <Tuzlo_> ikonia: ok, alright, not sure if the issue I had yesterday was because windows was nistalled on the scsi drives or not
[16:40] <Tuzlo_> going to try diong this again today
[16:43] <Tuzlo_> achk, I got sneezes
[16:51] <hallyn> hey, cool - installing 10.04.1 server on a laptop (yes, the old transmeta which still hasn't been given away :) - and i see it has wireless drivers!
[16:51] <hallyn> unfortunately, they autoconfiguration doesn't work...
[16:52] <hallyn> s/they/the/
[16:52] <Tuzlo_> whats the diff between server and enteprise cloud?
[16:52] <hallyn> not sure what you mean -afaik we don't have an official install medium for 'enterprise cloud', we only have sample iamges in the amazon image store, right?
[16:53] <hallyn> but, the diff woudl be less drivers since in the cloud you know what hw you'll get.  server is for on hardware
[16:55] <Tuzlo_> oh, cause the server ISO I downloaded has enteprise cloud as an install option
[16:56] <Tuzlo_> ikonia: ok, here goes nothing install number 2
[16:56] <ikonia> go for it
[17:00] <Daniel0108> hi
[17:02] <Tuzlo_> ikonia: partitioning method, guided, guided with LVM, guided use entire disk space with encrypted LVM or manual? (I have partitioned a disk for Linux before
[17:02] <ikonia> Tuzlo_: depends what you want ?
[17:02] <Tuzlo_> it's a server dont need encryption
[17:02] <Tuzlo_> will entire disk set up swap partitions?
[17:07] <k-rad> is sqlite3 adequate for a low resource web server ?
[17:10] <Tuzlo_> If you choose Guided partitioning, will it set up swap partitions?
[18:04] <lieuwe> i've got a problem with a samba share, i can't read/write files in this share that were created on the server instead of trough samba, any ideas on how to fix this?
[18:08] <oliver602> what's the best tool for caching updates on a local network? apt-proxy?
[18:10] <lieuwe> halp?
[18:11] <intick> ahve you checked permissions ?
[18:12] <lieuwe> intick: yes, i suck at perms tho, but it seems to be the same as the folder i can acces
[18:20] <intick> are you getting an error msg ?
[18:21] <lieuwe> intick: apart from acces denied? nope
[18:36] <\sh> lieuwe: config of this share?
[18:37] <lieuwe> \sh: lemme pastebin
[18:39] <lieuwe> \sh: http://pastebin.com/qaBkBKur
[18:39] <lieuwe> \sh: the main problem is with the files share
[19:31] <oliver602> ok i give up on apt-proxy
[19:59] <sailerboy> hey, i'm trying to use top through ssh, anyone know how i would scroll down past the first 20 or so processes?
[20:33] <demonspork> I have a server that doesn't seem to be running any of the cronjobs
[20:33] <demonspork> how can I get that to be refreshed/working
[20:33] <demonspork> I don't even know what to begin troubleshooting
[20:36] <soren> Is CRON running?
[20:36] <soren> or even installed?
[20:36] <demonspork> yes
[20:36] <demonspork> and yes
[20:36] <demonspork> it used to work just fine
[20:36] <soren> What changed?
[20:36] <demonspork> the server crashed
[20:36] <soren> How/why?
[20:37] <demonspork> well, this is a VDS, some planned maintenance took it down early in the morning to upgrade the version of Xen
[20:37] <demonspork> and the new version had a bug with disk access that made the server grind to a halt that afternoon
[20:38] <demonspork> and ever since then my crontab doesn't seem to execute
[20:38] <demonspork> I have restarted the server
[20:38] <soren> ..and you definitely see cron in the ps output?
[20:38] <demonspork> I see it yes
[20:38] <soren> Running as root?
[20:38] <demonspork> yep
[20:38] <demonspork> wait
[20:38] <demonspork> hmm
[20:38] <demonspork> how I check
[20:38] <demonspork> user
[20:39] <demonspork> ps ax is the only way I know to use ps
[20:39] <soren> ps aux
[20:39] <soren> adds user info
[20:39] <demonspork> there we go, I found it with htop
[20:39] <demonspork> it is running as root
[20:39] <demonspork> the next cron job to run should happen within 1 minute
[20:40] <demonspork> but I don't expect it to happen because it hasn't happened for several days
[20:40] <soren> You're sure the crontab is intat?
[20:40] <soren> intact?
[20:40] <demonspork> yep
[20:40] <soren> ...and how do you check that it doesn't run?
[20:40] <demonspork> the results never happen
[20:40] <soren> Like what?
[20:41] <demonspork> I even tried to make it "touch /home/minecraft/bob" and nothing appears
[20:41] <demonspork> it normally runs a backup script that I can run manually just fine
[20:50] <soren> demonspork: I'd probably try stracing the cron daemon to see what it's trying to do (if anything)
[22:10] <Flakeparadigm> Is there a way to enable intel graphics acceleration in Ubuntu Server (lucid) so that I can run a media center program smoothly?
[22:17] <Kaffien> how do i tell my ubuntu server to sync with a time server?
[22:17] <ikonia> Kaffien: use ntpd to sync via ntp
[22:18] <Kaffien> and that connects to a ntp server not creates one?
[22:18] <ikonia> yes, connecting to a trusted one is better than running your own
[22:20] <LyonJT> Hey
[22:20] <LyonJT> Does anyone know how to add a specific user to a folder with full user rights
[22:21] <Kaffien> doesn't seem to be updating the time
[22:21] <Kaffien> updated the ntp.conf and restarted the daemon
[22:22] <demonspork> soren, how do I strace cron to see if it is doing anything?
[22:24] <RoAkSoAx> clear
[22:24] <LyonJT> anyone
[22:24] <binBASH> sorry for being offtopic but does someone know how amazon ec2 is accounted? I mean if I start an instance, stop it again after 20 mins, and then start another one 5 mins later. Do I have to pay 1 instance hour or 2?
[22:25] <lifeless> 2
[22:26] <binBASH> hmmmm, ok. Then I have to rework my scaling script ;)
[22:27] <Kaffien> ah nevermind it wasn't broadcasting
[22:27] <MTecknology> I just installed postgresql - but There's no /etc/postgresql/ ....
[22:36] <bonaventura> Leo, Android show will be good in perspective due to Android's future market penetration. May be a bit early for it now though
[22:37] <bonaventura> wrong channel, sorry
[22:41] <MTecknology> I cant seem to make postgresql start at all :S
[22:58] <MTecknology> OK... So on my system - "/etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 start" also start/stop/status/etc.. produce no output at all... and postgresql won't start...


[07:58] <studio-SanyaGum> Hello 2 every 1 here
[07:59] <studio-SanyaGum> Does Any1 write muzic with UbuntuStudio?
[08:02] <studio-SanyaGum> Xfce is very nice
[08:02] <studio-SanyaGum> alright i'll be back
[11:58] <Sven__> Hi there, I got trouble starting ardour.
[11:58] <Sven__> no, audacity
[11:59] <Sven__> It doesn't start at all.
[11:59] <Sven__> Ardour works fine, sorry.
[12:19] <Sven__> Nobody there right now?
[17:23] <sven_> hi. still no way to get audacity working,
[18:01] <OvenWerks> sven_: Is ardour still running when you try Audacity?
[18:03] <OvenWerks> Hmm, actually I guess Audacity doesn't try to open audio ports until playing or recording, so that is probably not it.
[18:06] <OvenWerks> I can start, record and playback here. Using 16.04


[02:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:30] <oerheks> oh noes.. https://flatpakremix.org/
[07:31] <daftykins> hah
[07:33] <oerheks> why not just install mint, i wonder
[07:37] <daftykins> DE
[13:31] <leftyfb> it's 1 package that can be installed in about 6 seconds
[13:34] <oerheks> 1 package and 1 line to add the repo
[13:34] <oerheks> or install mint 🤣
[13:36] <leftyfb> there's no repo changes needed
[13:36] <leftyfb> it's just: sudo apt install flatpak
[13:36] <leftyfb> oerheks: also, are you a proponent of mint now?
[13:37] <oerheks> No!
[13:38] <oerheks> after install flatpak, one need to add; flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo.
[13:38] <oerheks> so it is not just 1 package
[13:39] <oerheks> .. and a reboot?
[13:39] <leftyfb> that repo has never been added from ubuntu or the installation of ubuntu packages. It's also not required to run flatpaks, only to more easily download flatpaks from the repo
[13:40] <leftyfb> in ubuntu 23.04 the only requirement to run flatpaks is to "sudo apt install flatpak"
[13:40] <oerheks> oh oke
[13:40] <oerheks> mint misses all the fun of snaps.
[15:17] <Hoodaloo> I have a 22.04 headless server but I'm thinking about using either virtualbox or kvm to setup a guest with a gui. Thoughts? This should be possible, right?
[15:21] <daftykins> do you mean to virtualise graphically atop that same headless host?
[15:22] <oerheks> headless = without monitor..
[15:23] <daftykins> why do you feel the need to explain that?
[15:25] <oerheks> if that guest wants to play youtube in a browser, the performance will be low
[15:25] <oerheks> * remote
[15:38] <leftyfb> Hoodaloo: what's the use case?


[01:19] <nikk> hi to all!! someone knows a wrapper for java under linux??
[05:44] <doko> tashiro: swt still broken on amd64 :/
[07:04] <doko> tashiro_: ping
[08:31] <vil> hi tashiro, I have question regarding your lost bioclipse package
[08:31] <tashiro> Hi vil
[08:32] <vil> it depends on the eclipse.core. so how did you package? as a plugin for the standard eclipse right next to the JDT and others?
[08:35] <tashiro> What? The org.eclipse.core plugins are in eclipse-platform
[08:35] <vil> and also I want to congratulate you guys, today I updated Eclipse in my Edgy and so far it works perfect!
[08:36] <tashiro> Uhh ha. doko was able to upload it ?
[08:37] <tashiro> I hope that it's too buggy
[08:37] <vil> did you put the bioclipse plugins to /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins? which would mean that you could use bioclipse from within eclipse. or did you make a standalone application?
[08:37] <tashiro> For bioclipse you can see how I tried to package EMF in eclipse-emf
[08:38] <vil> I am looking at eclipse-emf right now
[08:38] <tashiro> Hmm, yes. We havn't talk much about rcp clients yet
[08:39] <tashiro> I would use /usr/lib/bioclipse/{features,plugins} and use a separate install site /usr/lib/eclipse
[08:42] <vil> this way it would still be available in full eclipse. I mean that it does not make much sense to be able to switch from bioclipse to java.
[08:42] <tashiro> With a similar file like /usr/lib/eclipse/links/local.link
[08:46] <vil> what do you think about it?
[08:47] <tashiro> Hmm, I don't. It has pros and cons to put the bioclipse plugins in /usr/lib/eclipse
[08:50] <vil> would you consider it better to have the option to switch? I am interrested in the pros, because I do not know bioclipse very much.
[08:52] <tashiro> The pro is that you can use Bioclipse's plugins in your Workbench. The con is that you have more unnecessary plugins in Eclipse
[08:53] <tashiro> I think the cons outweigh the pros
[08:54] <tashiro> SO, as I said I would use /usr/lib/bioclipse with a link(not a fs link) to /usr/lib/eclipse
[08:55] <vil> for me it would be more confortable to have it standalone, but this is just my opinion.
[08:56] <tashiro> Yes, it's standalone
[08:56] <tashiro> But to copy existing plugins is a preferred option.
[08:58] <vil> what exactly does this /usr/lib/eclipse/link do?
[08:59] <tashiro> It's used by the OSGi framework to specify an additional location where plug-ins can exist
[09:01] <vil> ok, so far for my theoretical lessons, now I should do some real work ;) see you after some months (hopefully not)
[09:01] <tashiro> months?
[09:02] <tashiro> What do you plan to do?
[09:02] <vil> just kidding. but it does not seem very easy to package it.
[09:02] <tashiro> No, definitely not
[09:03] <vil> btw. were you able to spawn Help Contents in the newly packaged Eclipse? it works using sun's java but not with gcj.
[09:04] <tashiro> No, I hadn't time yet to look into that issue. And overholt doesn't know anything about it.
[09:05] <vil> ok
[09:16] <tashiro> vil: I just found following interesting documentation : http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ecl-manage/
[09:22] <vil> thanks, seems interresting
[09:41] <doko> tashiro: doesn't work on amd64 :-/
[09:43] <tashiro> doko: What doesn't work. The problem with TomcatApserver and GCJ?
[09:43] <doko> swt-gtk
[09:44] <doko> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: memmove
[09:44] <doko>    at org.eclipse.swt.internal.gtk.OS.memmove(org.eclipse.swt.gtk.linux.x86_64_3.2.1.v3235.jar.so)
[09:44] <doko>    at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Converter.wcsToMbcs(org.eclipse.swt.gtk.linux.x86_64_3.2.1.v3235.jar.so)
[09:44] <doko>    at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Converter.wcsToMbcs(org.eclipse.swt.gtk.linux.x86_64_3.2.1.v3235.jar.so)
[09:44] <doko>    at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.<clinit>(org.eclipse.swt.gtk.linux.x86_64_3.2.1.v3235.jar.so)
[09:44] <doko>    at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.70)
[09:45] <doko> google for java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError org.eclipse.swt.internal.gtk.OS.memmove ...
[09:46] <tashiro> I saw that we also disabled the swttools patch, which is necessary AFAIK for 64bit platforms
[09:50] <tashiro> doko: I will try to convert the latest patches from the Fedora Repo in the next time and hope we can such things
[09:52] <doko> tashiro: that would be great
[09:54] <tashiro> doko: I got a different error with Azureus: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sO21vy75.html
[09:57] <doko> tashiro LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/jni azureus
[11:03] <vil> doko: do you know anything about org.eclipse.resources.linux?
[11:07] <doko> vil: no
[11:11] <vil> doko: never mind, good night
[11:18] <doko> good night :)


[05:36] <lotuspsychje> 13mb bionic updates, xorg is now default on dailys
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-04-lts-daily-builds-now-use-xorg-by-default-instead-of-wayland-519744.shtml
[09:15] <john_rambo> Hi, I am getting this error while updating >>> https://paste2.org/H2bMJdfG
[09:19] <john_rambo> ?
[09:20] <tomreyn> john_rambo: your mirror.pramati.com apt repository may be broken. did you 'sudo apt update'?
[09:20] <john_rambo> tomreyn, https://paste2.org/wCWCvvGI
[09:21] <tomreyn> john_rambo: and does the dist-upgrade work now?
[09:21] <john_rambo> tomreyn, No .. Same error
[09:21] <tomreyn> so something's wrong with this mirror server, i guess
[09:22] <john_rambo> tomreyn, Trying another morror now ...
[09:22] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[09:23] <tomreyn> the pramati one is 2 days behind for bionic, a week behind for trusty
[09:24] <john_rambo> tomreyn, Using main mirror ... running apt-get update atm
[11:43] <flocculant> anyone seeing flashing text at the grub screen lately - other than whoever marked it as affecting them :p
[11:43] <flocculant> bug 1748028


[06:06] <Mirv> somehow requests page(s) seem really slow to respond if at all, probably IS problem
[08:30] <Mirv> hmm
[08:31] <Mirv> ok now
[09:13] <popey> jibel: i added unav to citrain but don't see it on trello. https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1243
[09:15] <jibel> popey, are you allowed to set qa signoff to ready?
[09:16] <popey> hm, i thought I did
[09:16] <popey> done, sorry jibel
[09:17] <jibel> popey, thanks
[09:24] <oSoMoN> ubuntu-qa: will silo 38 be validated today?
[09:25] <iahmad_> popey, don't see the OSMTouch on store, do you know the reason?
[09:25] <davmor2> oSoMoN: should be yes
[09:25] <oSoMoN> excellent, thanks!
[09:26] <popey> iahmad_: i do not know
[09:42] <Mirv> why is request page not loading properly for me but works for everyone else?
[09:42] <Mirv> someone pls fix my internet
[09:44]  * davmor2 hit Mirv 's internet with a hammer......how about now?
[09:46] <Mirv> davmor2: thanks! I switched to another internet (sharing from Bq) and it seems to work there, I'll try the normal internet soon to see if your hammer hit helped!
[09:56] <rvr> sil2100: Do you know why ubuntu-ui-toolkit.mo files are not included in OTA10?
[09:56] <sil2100> rvr: I'm working on it
[09:57] <rvr> sil2100: Ok
[09:57] <sil2100> We discussed that on the morning LT meeting, the mapping file looks ok but I think I see now that langpack-o-matic does some funny things with the domains
[09:57] <sil2100> And actually skips the ubuntu-ui-toolkit translations because there's ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery
[10:18] <Mirv> sil2100: I've updated bug #1567377 to mention langpack-o-matic
[10:18] <ubot5`> bug 1567377 in Canonical System Image "Select text popup not localized" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567377
[13:45] <sil2100> Mirv, bzoltan: hmmm, this is just a suspicion so far, but seeing from the logs and my simulation on a chroot, the latest UITK landing or the qtdeclarative landing broke emulator builds
[13:45] <bzoltan> sil2100: crap
[13:45] <sil2100> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/253276578/buildlog_ubuntu_vivid_i386_ubuntu-touch_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:46] <sil2100> This is the build log, but moving in the chain of packages, I get something like this:
[13:46] <sil2100> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15759116/
[13:47] <sil2100> (I was adding package by package from the ones the installer mentioned as not installable)
[13:47] <sil2100> It might be something else, but I didn't see any other related landing that could cause this
[13:50] <Mirv> sil2100: bzoltan: hey, I know (bzoltan this is the gles packaging thing I mentioned)
[13:50] <bzoltan> sil2100:  I would need to check more levels down to see what exactly causes it
[13:51] <bzoltan> Mirv:  I see
[13:51] <Mirv> sil2100: I've a fix brewing.
[13:51] <sil2100> \o/
[13:52] <sil2100> Well, it's not like we have a working emulator right now anyway
[13:52] <Mirv> sil2100: I noticed it from the fact that the gles package didn't migrate from gles pocket
[13:52] <sil2100> (since it's still crashing on the wizard IIRC)
[13:53] <sil2100> Mirv: was it also failing on the silo britney?
[13:54] <Mirv> sil2100: no. because it's a valid candidate, it just fails further (seen in update_output)
[13:54] <sil2100> Ah, right, silo britney doesn't go that far
[13:54] <sil2100> Ok
[14:00] <bzoltan> sil2100:  once you mentioned... do you know if there is anybdy actually doing anything with the emulator problem? I think it is Mir/Unity8  issue.
[14:15] <sil2100> bzoltan: it's actually a webbrowser/oxide issue from what I know, and I think oSoMoN is/was on it
[14:15] <sil2100> bzoltan: since that's what's crashing
[14:16] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ^ hey! We were just talking about the emulator issues in the new OOBE, from what I heard it was something oxide/webbrowser related - is that true and if yes, is there any progress?
[14:17] <bzoltan> sil2100:  I am not sure if the browser/oxide issue is what we suffer from. The functional issue is that the emulator can not be controlled by mouse and does not take keyboard input.
[14:17] <sil2100> bzoltan: wait, really? We fixed the input issues on the emulator, we have new ones now?
[14:18] <sil2100> When did you check?
[14:18] <bzoltan> sil2100:  fixed? I have tried to create emulator last week and it did not work at all
[14:18] <bzoltan> sil2100:  let me check again
[14:18] <oSoMoN> sil2100, that crash is on my list, haven’t had a chance to dive into it yet
[14:18] <sil2100> bzoltan: strange, we checked and it worked, but no one was able to finish the wizard
[14:19] <sil2100> Because of the aforementioned bug
[14:19] <bzoltan> sil2100:  let me test it again
[14:19] <bzoltan> sil2100:  rc-proposed channel, right?
[14:20] <sil2100> Yes, rc should be good as well but yeah, not much difference from rc-proposed
[14:22] <bzoltan> sil2100:  last time I tried the mouse cursor was there but not really working... kind of moved but I could not get any push/click event thru
[14:31] <sil2100> bzoltan: yeah, that sounds like the issue we had fixed a few weeks back
[14:34] <bzoltan> sil2100:  it looks a bit better now.. the mouse cursor actually follow the real mouse. how to unlock the screen?
[14:34] <bzoltan> sil2100: the gdbus call --session --dest com.canonical.UnityGreeter --object-path / --method com.canonical.UnityGreeter.HideGreeter trick does not work
[14:35] <sil2100> bzoltan: I guess you'd have to ask the unity8 guys :) Saviq, mzanetti: ^
[14:35] <bzoltan> sil2100:  ehh... adb shell goes as root
[14:36] <bzoltan> sil2100:  but the click does not go thru ... I have the app scope, but can not do much
[14:36] <mzanetti> ?
[14:36] <mzanetti> emulator?
[14:37] <bzoltan> mzanetti: yes, rc-proposed
[14:38] <mzanetti> ah, has the cursor issue been fixed now?
[14:38] <mzanetti> I was waiting for that to go away before I could check out things
[14:39] <sil2100> bzoltan: ok, that sounds new to me
[14:39] <mzanetti> how can I list the available channels for the emulator?
[14:39] <bzoltan> mzanetti: the mouse cursors inside the emulator now does follow the host's mouse when left button is down
[14:41] <bzoltan> mzanetti: devel, devel-proposed, rc-proposed, bq-rc, bq-stable
[14:41] <mzanetti> yeah, I'm after the full string I need to pass
[14:41] <mzanetti> trying that one now: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[14:45] <bzoltan> mzanetti: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[14:46] <bzoltan> mzanetti:  this is how we do http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/trunk/view/head:/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/qml/DevicesPage/NewEmulatorDialog.qml
[14:46] <mzanetti> bzoltan, yeah... I just thought there was a way to use --list-channels for the emulator ones
[14:46] <bzoltan> mzanetti:  dream on :) dude
[14:46] <mzanetti> I'm quite sure I did use that at some point
[14:47] <mzanetti> anyways... got one created now, booting atm
[14:47] <mzanetti> nice. seems to work fine now!
[14:47] <mzanetti> bzoltan, what's your issue?
[14:48] <bzoltan> mzanetti:  I can not operate the shell... how to doa touch?
[14:49] <mzanetti> bzoltan, just works for me... mouse events are converted to touch events
[14:49] <mzanetti> bzoltan, you stuck at the greeter?
[14:49] <bzoltan> mzanetti: I made the go away with  gdbus call  ...
[14:49] <sil2100> I didn't hear QA or anyone else reporting new issues with touch events
[14:50] <sil2100> That's why I was so surprised
[14:50] <bzoltan> mzanetti:  But simple I can not do any touch event... nothing. The mouse follows nicely the real mouse when the left mouse button is hold down
[14:50] <mzanetti> works for me too
[14:50] <mzanetti> strange...
[14:50] <mzanetti> I wonder what's different
[14:50] <bzoltan> mzanetti: I have nvidia
[14:50] <mzanetti> unlikey that has something to do with it
[14:51] <bzoltan> mzanetti:  the other disturbing thing is the adb ... why it shells in as root #?
[14:51] <bzoltan> sil2100:  ^
[14:51] <mzanetti> meh
[14:51] <mzanetti> that's odd indeed
[14:51] <mzanetti> same here
[14:51] <mzanetti> bzoltan, this is intersting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15760361/
[14:51] <mzanetti> bzoltan, I assume you have the one from the sdk ppa
[14:52] <bzoltan> but that is not a difference ... obviously none of our IDE tools will work with an emulator as we do expect to shell in as phablet
[14:52] <mzanetti> yeah... I agree that needs to be changed...
[14:53] <mzanetti> but this seems to be new... last time I checked it did log me in as phablet
[14:54] <bzoltan> zbenjamin:  ohh... I am on vivid
[14:54] <bzoltan> mzanetti: is this fix only for happy xenial users?
[14:55] <mzanetti> tbh I don't know where it was changed... I thought it was a mir patch *inside* the emulator image, but I really don't know the details
[14:55] <mzanetti> anpok might know. ^
[14:56] <bzoltan> mzanetti: anpok: I know that the gogetubuntutouch does not build for anything except for Xenial - https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/+recipe/goget-ubuntu-touch-daily
[15:06] <dbarth> hey guys, quick question about xenial landings: we have a fix for the desktop, but not a release stopper; is there a way to land our silo as an SRU already?
[15:06] <dbarth> see https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1219
[15:23] <mzanetti> sil2100, do we keep a list of all landed silos?
[15:23] <sil2100> mzanetti: it's on bileto always, what do you need?
[15:24] <mzanetti> read through the things that landed shortly before OTA-10 to see if there are suspicious things in regard to the performance issues we observe
[17:25] <rvr> boiko: ping
[17:28] <boiko> rvr: pong
[17:32] <rvr> boiko: Hi
[17:32] <rvr> boiko: I'm testing silo 42
[17:32] <rvr> boiko: I found a problem installing the silo. I understand it should keep the default SIM options.
[17:33] <boiko> rvr: yep, it should, I asked salem_ to take it a look
[17:33] <rvr> boiko: However, it sets the default SIM for outoing messages incorrectly.
[17:33] <boiko> rvr: we certainly tested this case
[17:33] <rvr> I tested a couple of times, and got the same (bad) result
[17:33] <salem_> boiko, rvr good catch, found the bug, uploading the fix now and will rebuild the silo.
[17:34] <rvr> Ok, failing the silo
[18:00] <sil2100> slangasek, robru: be there in a min
[18:08] <anpok> bzoltan: both a fix in mir to read android fb properties to get to the screen size ... and a fix of the qemu fork supplied with the emulator on the host system
[18:09] <anpok> was needed..
[19:33]  * Mirv received "you have been added to ubuntu-core-dev" e-mail \o/
[19:45] <robru> Mirv: congrats
[19:51] <robru> sil2100: still around? sorry my lunch ran late: https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/cupstream2distro/begin-xenial-overlay/+merge/291547
[19:54] <sil2100> robru: hey! Yeah, let me take a look, thanks!
[20:03] <sil2100> robru: approved!
[20:03] <sil2100> robru: I'll send out a quick note to the ML about this
[20:06] <robru> sil2100: thanks, I'll roll to production
[20:13] <robru> sil2100: so once this hits production it will retroactively change all existing dual silos, so eg if a silo has something stuck in unapproved or in -proposed that'll no longer be tracked. in those cases I'll have to copy-package the xenial package to overlay and then the silo will auto-merge
[20:15] <robru> sil2100: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/tickets?status=pocket there are apparently only two such silos at this time so that's not so bad
[20:30] <robru> sil2100: my mistake, one of those is a xenial-only where -gles is caught in proposed. Only https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1239 is affected, I've copied the xenial package to overlay and it'll auto-merge shortly.
[21:04] <salem_> rvr, silo 42 is ready again.


[16:51] <StephDev> So... um.... lamont's not around.. is anyone else for the Ubuntu kernel team around?
[17:10] <StephDev> Well.. if someone with "the power" has a chance, can you please rebuild kernel 5.9.14 for distribution as what is there now is a failed build.
[17:18] <jeremy31> StephDev: Those kernels are not intended for use by the public
[18:12] <StephDev> Jeremy... I'm a developer... I know what those (and all of the other kernels) are for
[18:13] <StephDev> My point is the mainline 5.9 kernel is corrupted.. that's a problem
[18:13] <jeremy31> Might be an issue when the Ubuntu patches are applied
[18:13] <StephDev> I haven't looked at the daily build; but as I'm debugging the file system, it wouldn't make sense to do so
[18:14] <StephDev> Since September or so, it seems like whatever the latest build is, is always corrupt on the first run.. I have no idea why
[18:15] <StephDev> Usually someone notices are re-runs it; but that hasn't been happening for the last couple of weeks.. maybe the holidays, I don't know
[18:16] <StephDev> But weekends are the only time I get to debug and write code, so .... it's kind of important to me and this will be two weekends in a row where that's not possible with mainline still be broken
[18:17] <StephDev> errr. still being broken... sorry.. fingers slower than brain
[18:22] <jeremy31> Development of what?
[18:24] <StephDev> BTRFS
[18:24] <StephDev> The last good build of ubuntu kernels was on 12-2
[23:56] <bjf> StephDev, i'll see if i can get someone to look into it on Monday


[03:37] <n00ber> hello
[20:29] <demophobia> When should I use this channel rather than #ubuntu? How do I ascertain whether an issue is specific to lubuntu?
[20:30] <tsimonq2> demophobia: Correct.
[20:30] <tsimonq2> Oh
[20:30] <tsimonq2> I thought you were asking if you use this for Lubuntu only issues...
[20:31] <tsimonq2> demophobia: When in doubt, try #ubuntu, they'll point you here if it's some Lubuntu issues
[20:32] <demophobia> 'k thanks
[20:46] <demophobia> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/windows-key.html does not apply to lubuntu, right? how do i get my super key to open the menu?
[20:49] <demophobia> How do I get the super key shortcuts listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html working?
[20:49] <tsimonq2> Hm, unsure
[20:50] <tsimonq2> demophobia: Try emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- they might be able to help (unless you get a response here)
[21:40] <demophobia> How do I get the super key shortcuts listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html working?
[22:10] <demophobia> how do you check key bindings? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Keybindings doesn't apply
[22:10] <demophobia> i.e. gnome control center isn't installed (should i install it?)
[22:13] <krytarik> demophobia: Keep in mind that you aren't using Ubuntu main, but Lubuntu.
[22:21] <demophobia> How do I edit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard ? It should say Super + F1, not Super + 1, etc.
[22:21] <demophobia> nvm i see 'login to edit'
[22:24] <demophobia> how do i set the super key to open the start menu?
[22:24] <demophobia> is there a reason i should use alt+f1 instead (as https://askubuntu.com/questions/79557/bind-the-windows-key-to-lubuntu-start-menu reveals)
[22:42] <demophobia> Regarding sylpheed, "Google will continue to block sign-in attempts from the app you're using  because it has known security problems or is out of date. You can  continue to use this app by allowing access to less secure apps, but this may leave your account vulnerable." Is Google wrong? Is sylpheed (lubuntu's email client) risky?
[22:44] <demophobia> "Some apps and devices use less secure sign-in technology" what is less secure about sylpheed?
[22:44] <demophobia> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en
[22:47] <krytarik> demophobia: According to them, the same is true for Thunderbird. :P
[23:04] <demophobia> Well, yes. My question remains; simply that Thunderbird is older doesn't imply to me that Google's wrong.


[07:32] <jakubo> hi. i have a problem concerning wine in the ubuntu repository: there is no wine1.x-i386
[07:35] <jakubo> is there a workaround or anything?
[08:47] <jakubo> noone?
[09:34] <Fudge> jakubo:  trusty?
[09:37] <Fudge> jakubo:  apt-get install wine1.4 should work or wine1.4=1.4.1-0ubuntu7
[09:42] <assistente> hi to all! trusty is usable without critical problems as desktop environment?
[09:42] <jakubo> it doesnt
[09:42] <k1l> assistente: if you need to think about critical problems dont use a dev release
[09:43] <k1l> assistente: there is not even a alpha relaease. so wait until its released in april 2014
[09:43] <assistente> i want to help to test, but i must use libreoffice and printers daily...
[09:44] <k1l> assistente: they are quite "stable". but no one will guarantee that it will work every day. better you have a dualboot or backup
[09:46] <jakubo> it not production critical.
[09:47] <assistente> k1l, ok so i install it! then i will help to test
[09:48] <cyberputz> Think you're a few weeks away from there even being anything to install...
[09:50] <jakubo> i have had it installed
[09:50] <jakubo> before
[09:51] <jakubo> but some dependency with libgcrypt f**ed it up
[09:51] <jakubo> and now it sees no -i386 version to install
[09:51] <jakubo> not on trusty, and not on saucy repositories
[09:54] <cyberputz> I stand corrected, there are daily builds. I guess I read something with alpha dates. I'm just gonna shut up and learn ;)
[09:54] <k1l> well, i am not gonna stop someone who want to help testing and make ubuntu better. but one must know, that something can go wrong every day
[09:56] <jakubo> i know. and since its gone wrong im asking for help ;)
[09:56] <jakubo> i just need to get libgcrypt back to :i386 it seems... aptitude can do the rest...
[10:02] <jakubo> ,
[10:02] <jakubo> ,,
[10:02] <jakubo> ,
[10:02] <jakubo> ,
[10:02] <jakubo> sry
[10:03] <jakubo> as far as i understand it its just a matter of renaming the dependencies by the maintainer (scott richie i think)
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[22:15] <peeenguin> hep hey. Any one seen this before. After a update today i somehow got the "touch" phone desktop on my 14.04 :o


[01:07] <tgm4883> If a MOTU has a minute, can someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/mythbuntu-bare ? It just needs a second ack and I'd like to get this into 11.10
[09:16] <c_korn> how can I add a parameter to dh_installchangelogs with cdbs? I thought DEB_DH_INSTALLCHANGELOGS whould do the trick
[09:19] <jtaylor> DEB_DH_INSTALLCHANGELOGS_ARGS?
[09:19] <c_korn> ah, DEB_INSTALL_CHANGELOGS_ALL
[09:20] <c_korn> it is mentioned in the doc here: http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html
[09:20] <c_korn> don't ask me where this underscore comes from. this is cdbs voodoo
[09:27] <directhex> i don't think it's fair to equate cdbs with a legitimate religion like voodoo
[09:27] <directhex> i see it as having more in common with your cthulu-worshipping cults
[09:41] <akheron> c_korn: I used to grep the cdbs source to find suitable magic variables
[09:41] <c_korn> hehe, yeah, this is a good idea ;)
[11:25] <francesco_superc> Hi everybody!
[11:26] <francesco_superc> Anyone could help me searching one program in repository?
[11:26] <francesco_superc> I'm looking for "multisync-tools"
[11:26] <francesco_superc> It isn't anymore available?
[11:33] <jtaylor> francesco_superc: it was removed because it requres opensync << 0.30: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multisync0.90/+bug/654613
[11:39] <francesco_superc> jtaylor, thanks. So the deprecated multisync-tool from what does it replace?
[11:48] <jtaylor> I don't know of any replacement
[11:50] <francesco_superc> jtaylor, thanks a lot the same
[12:26] <dupondje> francesco_superc:
[12:26] <dupondje> opensync replaced multisync
[12:26] <dupondje> We were working on the successor to Multisync called OpenSync.
[13:08] <tonymc> hello
[13:08] <tonymc> i have a question regarding proper package versioning
[13:08] <tonymc> i know it's a question that belongs to #ubuntu-packaging, but there's no one alive there
[13:09] <tonymc> anyway, i'm making a PPA, with a brand new program. how do i go about assigning a version? the upstream version is 0.5.1, and it's the first ppa release. should i name is 0.5.1-ppa1 or something else?
[13:13] <jtaylor> 0.5.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 is usually used
[13:14] <jtaylor> an official debian version would be 0.5.1-1 so an official ubuntu pacakge should be lower than that -> 0.5.1-0ubuntu1, an ppa package should be lower than that -> 0.5.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[13:14] <jtaylor> so the official archive versions replace the non-archive versions
[13:16] <jtaylor> if you want the ppa version to replace an archive version use +ppa1
[13:17] <tonymc> what if there's no official version?
[13:17] <tonymc> do i have to still specify 0ubuntu1~ppa1?
[13:18] <jtaylor> you should, as there might be an official version in the future
[13:18] <jtaylor> 0.5.1-0~ppa1 should also work
[13:19] <jtaylor> dpkg --compare-versions "0.5.1-0ubuntu1" gt "0.5.1-0~ppa1" && echo "yes"
[13:20] <tonymc> thanks for clarification
[13:27] <lfaraone> persia: hi, I'll be your AM for this evening^h^h^h^hNM process, how can I be of service? :P
[14:05] <tonymc> if i update the package with an upstream version (say, 0.5.2), should i drop the ppa revision back to 1? like 0.5.2-0ubuntu1-ppa1?
[14:07] <jtaylor> yes
[14:08] <jtaylor> it should indicate which packaging revision of a specific upstream version it is
[14:08] <tonymc> aha
[14:09] <tonymc> does debian think that 0.5.1a is newer than 0.5.1? or i should just drop the "a" and make a ppa2 instead?
[14:11] <jtaylor> use dpkg --compare-versions to figure that out
[14:11] <jtaylor> it should be larger
[14:13] <tonymc> thanks
[14:13] <tonymc> you've been really helpful
[14:31] <tonymc> another question if you don't mind
[14:31] <tonymc> the upstream developer chose to put plugins for his program into /usr/share/, and thus lintian complains about that. what is the proper place to put plugins so that a program could find them?
[14:34] <jtaylor> I never packaged something with plugins yet
[14:34] <jtaylor> but I think they are usually placed under /usr/lib/package-name/
[14:34] <jtaylor> if they are arch-dependend
[14:35] <tumbleweed> and /usr/share/package-name if they aren't. The program might need to be changed to find them in the new location...
[14:36] <tonymc> thanks
[20:06] <tgm4883> If a MOTU has a minute, can someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/mythbuntu-bare ? It just needs a second ack and I'd like to get this into 11.10
[20:07] <stlsaint> would someone mind helping me debugg some of these piuparts results http://paste.debian.net/125307/
[20:09] <stlsaint> ...
[21:04] <jtaylor> friggin dpatch why won't it take my patch -.-
[21:05] <nigelb> heh
[21:06]  * iulian throws quilt at jtaylor.
[21:07] <jtaylor> I'd wish I could use quilt
[21:11] <jtaylor> hurray manually editing patches is fun, but it worked
[21:14] <jtaylor> debfx: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xawtv/3.95.dfsg.1-8.1ubuntu2 was this forwarded anywhere?
[21:14] <jtaylor> patch 103
[21:15] <jtaylor> hm ok 102 says "there is no actual xawtv upstream any more" so probably no forwarding
[21:22] <debfx> jtaylor: I've forwarded it to Debian, not sure about upstream
[21:23] <debfx> jtaylor: http://git.linuxtv.org/xawtv3.git/shortlog seems active
[21:24] <jtaylor> it was unfortunatly not quite complete, see bug 821916
[21:24] <jtaylor> but simple to fix
[21:25] <jtaylor> uplaoding a branch shortly, can you sponsor it?
[21:31] <debfx> jtaylor: sure
[21:35] <jtaylor> debfx: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtaylor/ubuntu/oneiric/xawtv/fix-821916/+merge/70657
[21:35] <jtaylor> an SRU should be probably be made
[21:45] <debfx> jtaylor: do you want me to open a natty task on the bug?
[21:46] <jtaylor> yes please
[21:46] <debfx> the package FTBFS on oneiric: http://paste.ubuntu.com/660093/
[21:48] <jtaylor> Oo
[21:48] <jtaylor> I built it in a pbuilder
[21:53] <jtaylor> maybe its not quite clean
[21:54] <debfx> I've built the same package again, now it works fine
[21:54] <debfx> not sure what caused it to try call autoconf
[21:55] <jtaylor> building in a fresh clean i386 chroot, and it came past that point
[21:55] <jtaylor> finished successfully
[22:01] <debfx> presumably it was just a local issues with my pbuilder
[22:24] <jtaylor> forwared 103 and 102 to the upstream you mentioned