[10:09] <codebeake> hi all, is there a way to allow upstart jobs to be started multiple times? I have a daemon (Unicorn) which takes care of gracefully restarting, if you start it whilst it's already running, seems reasonable - but I can't find any relevant service stanza that would permit "multiple instances"
[10:11] <plautrba_> codebeake: try init(5) - part Instances
[10:11] <codebeake> thanks plautrba_ :)
[10:14] <codebeake> hrm, "task" stanza looks promising, but I'm afraid then the `respawn` et al wouldn't work as expected
[10:15] <codebeake> (reading the section on instances below that, but the `task` was nice to find out about)
[10:21] <codebeake> plautrba_: thanks for the suggestion, I don't want to pass variables, shame I can't shell out and see if the pid exists, already (and then start a differently identified instance)
[10:42] <codebeake> It's also not possible to specify how to restart the task, right? They always receive the same signal, regardless
[16:23] <SpamapS> codebeake: wait, why do you want to start the job/task multiple times?
[16:24] <SpamapS> codebeake: re restarting, restart is always stop/start
[16:24] <SpamapS> codebeake: reload is always SIGHUP
[16:24] <SpamapS> codebeake: you can change the kill signal in newer versions of upstart with 'kill signal XXXXXX'
[16:35] <codebeake> SpamapS, because Unicorn is a special case, where via it's configuration file you can add a block of code, which gracefully restarts
[16:36] <codebeake> when sending the process URS2, then it gratefully restarts
[16:37] <SpamapS> codebeake: right, thats why apache isn't upstartified either :)
[16:37] <codebeake> I think my upstart version is too old, though - I'm on whatever ships with 10.10/10.4 Ubuntu
[16:37] <codebeake> ah, ok - so I might want to look at regular init scripts
[16:37] <SpamapS> codebeake: well for apache there's apachectl to do gracefuls, and then the upstart job would, in theory, just manage the boot/shutdown.
[16:38] <SpamapS> codebeake: but yeah, simpler to just use an init script if there's already one
[16:49] <greylurk> I'm writing an upstart script that is hanging when I try to call it.  How do I figure out where it's logging to?
[16:49] <greylurk> it just sits at start/killed forever.
[16:54] <codebeake> I wonder SpamapS, if it's worth making a restart scropt, that just checks for the pidfile, and signals that pid
[16:54] <codebeake> I can chmod+xs it to my web application user
[16:54] <codebeake> and use it in my deployments, then
[17:00] <JanC> greylurk: jobs != scripts, so you can't "call" them  ;)
[17:01] <JanC> and logging depends on the upstart version
[17:01] <JanC> (there is some info about logging in the cookbook)
[17:04] <JanC> codebeake: you can specify how to start/stop a service by using pre/post-start/stop instead of plain exec/script stanzas
[17:11] <codebeake> JanC, thanks
[17:11] <codebeake> the long and short is - that I need to be able to call start, since I don't want to replicate this logic, but I'll see what I can find
[17:11] <codebeake> this is the unicorn behaviour - https://gist.github.com/5471a06ab93f192178c2
[17:12] <codebeake> If I can find a way to do that in upstart, then I'm sorted
[17:12] <JanC> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ --> has lots of useful info and tips & tricks
[17:13] <codebeake> I'm stuck with an old version, alas
[17:13] <codebeake> and I *know* I'll screw something up, if I try and upgrade a running production system's init system :)
[17:13] <codebeake> 0.6.5, right now
[17:32] <codebeake> (and when I USR2 it myself, upstart loses track of the pid… so, yeah - I think it might be time to find an alt. solution)
[17:32] <codebeake> thanks for the help and advice
[17:42] <codebeake> is it wise to do a source install of upstart, with a recent version on ubuntu 10.4 ?
[17:43] <codebeake> … I notice there's not a new enough version of libnih in apt to satisfy the 1.0 (at least) ./configure script, and I remember last time I tried to do this, it involved a trip down the rabithole
[18:32] <greylurk> Is there any way to run "initctl start" with debugging info?  I have a script that's hanging at start/killed, but it works when I run the command from the command prompt.
[22:04] <SpamapS> greylurk: initctl log-priority info
[22:04] <SpamapS> greylurk: that will make init dump logs into syslog
[22:04] <SpamapS> greylurk: you can make it spit even more info with 'initctl log-priority debug'
[22:43] <greylurk> Thanks, it turned out that the init process was holding on to one specific pid, and wouldn't let it go even though the pid had died.  I ended up having to reboot but it's fine now.
[22:43] <SpamapS> greylurk: thats a known bug when using 'expect fork' with a process that does not really fork
[22:44] <SpamapS> greylurk: another workaround to rebooting is to write a program that forks a whole bunch of times until it hits the desired pid
[22:44] <SpamapS> I really wish we could add an 'initctl forget job_name'


[13:33] <smoser> hey.
[13:33] <smoser> I have a git repo cloned from a private source on launchpad.
[13:34] <smoser> I want to propose a merge for that.
[13:35] <smoser> How do I push somewhere to propose for merge and make sure it stays private ?
[13:35] <smoser> I'm assuming if I push to ~smoser/<project>/+git/<name> that that will not be private.
[13:53] <wgrant> smoser: It will be private if the project is.
[14:02] <smoser> and to determine if a project is private ?
[14:02] <smoser> just look at https://launchpad.net/<project>
[14:02] <smoser> ?
[14:02] <smoser> thank you, wgrant
[14:03] <wgrant> smoser: You can also see whether new branches will be private in the top right of the Code page for the project
[14:05] <smoser> thanks. that really helps. i just dont want to accidently push something public.


[15:53] <ffm> Can you get a IRC cloak for ubuntu if you arn't an ubuntu member, but contribute a bit?
[15:54] <elkbuntu> nope, that would be impossible to manage.
[15:55] <ffm> kk.
[16:45] <[ArtuR]> привет
[16:45] <[ArtuR]> русские есть?
[16:45] <Myrtti> !ru
[16:45] <Myrtti> see topic
[16:46] <[ArtuR]> Myrtti ok, but i'm banned on ubuntu-ru and need help
[16:48] <juliux> [ArtuR], contact the ops from #ubuntu-ru and ask why you are banned
[16:48] <[ArtuR]> juliux how i contact they?
[16:49] <juliux>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-ru list
[16:49] <juliux> and you will see all ops
[16:51] <[ArtuR]> and?
[16:51] <Myrtti> /msg one of the persons on the list
[16:51] <[ArtuR]> ok, thanks
[16:53] <[ArtuR]> i see "No such nick/channel"
[16:54] <juliux> then he is not online atm
[16:54] <[ArtuR]> ok
[16:54] <[ArtuR]> bye
[17:32] <highvoltage> QUESTION: How stable is KVM compared to VMWare and Xen, and how does it compare performance wise?
[17:36] <Nafallo> highvoltage: totally the wrong channel? :-)
[17:36] <highvoltage> woops
[17:36] <highvoltage> ah, win 4, not 14 :)
[17:36] <highvoltage> sorry
[17:36] <Nafallo> hehe. no worries :-)
[17:43] <Wizard> good evening
[17:44] <Wizard> i have a problem with ubuntu-pl channel operators
[17:44] <Wizard> they used a hostmask to ban me, and that automaticaly baned users from my server..
[17:45] <Wizard> channel operator does not want talk to me and does not want to change ban to user specific
[17:45] <Wizard> freenode staff send me here..
[17:45] <Wizard> what should i do?
[17:49] <PriceChild> Hey Wizard.
[17:49] <nalioth> Wizard: patience is required
[17:49] <Wizard> yeah, patience
[17:49] <nalioth> this is the proper channel to take care of this  ( they cannot help you in #freenode )
[17:50] <Wizard> i understand they banned my, but why my users are banned also?
[17:50] <Wizard> i don't understand why peple chatting from my network have to pay for my mistakes
[17:51] <nalioth> this happens quite a bit, when folks share one shell or IP
[17:51] <Wizard> is there a way to change this situation, op does not want to talk to me
[17:53] <Wizard> i just want to change my ban to user specific, so other people may chat freely on #ubuntu-pl
[17:53] <nalioth> i have invited him here
[17:54] <Wizard> ok
[17:58] <czester> nalioth: Is there a problem? You've called ju-rek but he's busy.
[17:58] <nalioth> czester: can you help Wizard ?
[17:58] <czester> nalioth: How can I help him?
[17:58] <nalioth> Wizard: poke
[17:58] <Wizard> by changing ban rules
[17:59] <Wizard> so users from my network can join #ubuntu-pl again
[17:59] <czester> You know why ju-rek has banned you.
[17:59] <Wizard> not only me, but all my users
[17:59] <czester> Wizard: What users from your network?
[17:59] <Wizard> kretu for example
[18:00] <czester> Wizard: Were there any other users from your network?
[18:00] <Wizard> yeah
[18:00] <Wizard> i told you about one hour before that i'm running shell server
[18:00] <czester> Wizard: You, Torin, arachnist and kretu came tu #ubuntu-pl just to make fun @ us and do some mess.
[18:00] <Wizard> ?
[18:01] <czester> You have to be responsible for your actions then.
[18:01] <czester> You should have listened when we were asking nicely.
[18:01] <Wizard> why do my users have to be responsible for my behavior?
[18:02] <Wizard> please, change that ban to me only
[18:02] <czester> One user who had no other purpose on #ubuntu-pl than laugh at other users. Seems fair enough to me.
[18:02] <nalioth> Wizard: are Torin, arachnist, and kretu 'your users' ?
[18:02] <Wizard> nope, only kretu
[18:02] <czester> nalioth: His friends.
[18:02] <Wizard> bah
[18:02] <czester> nalioth: And they came with him to the channel.
[18:03] <Wizard> i'm running a shell server..
[18:03] <czester> nalioth: They consider themselves power users and laugh at others.
[18:03] <Wizard> many users use irssi and weechat on freenode..
[18:03] <Wizard> maybe it's all my fault, but i ask you to change that ban
[18:04] <nalioth> Wizard: i suspect you will have to answer your users when they ask 'why?'
[18:04] <Wizard> as you wish
[18:04] <Wizard> so i assume the answer is 'no'?
[18:05] <czester> Wizard: We will take the ban off after some time. Fair enough?
[18:05] <nalioth> when a shell server is abused, the abusive user(s) are usually removed
[18:05] <Wizard> you rule there, i have nothing else to say
[18:05] <nalioth> in this case, i don't see that happening
[18:06] <Wizard> thank you for your help nalioth :)
[18:07] <Wizard> i will wait until the ban expires
[18:08] <czester> Ban changed
[18:08] <czester> It should be good.
[18:08] <Wizard> ok, thank you czester :)
[18:09] <nalioth> thanks czester
[18:09] <czester> But if such happens again - there will be no mercy.
[18:11] <nalioth> as it should be  :|
[18:12] <czester> Do such problems happen often on other ubuntu-* channels?
[18:18] <nalioth> yes
[18:18] <nalioth> and all over the network
[18:29] <czester> Bye
[18:36] <nalioth> anyone around from #ubuntu-ar ?
[19:10] <PriceChild> nalioth: is that wrt -ar-cafe?
[19:10] <nalioth> PriceChild: already taken care of
[19:10] <nalioth> massive bot swarm joined and then caught a train
[19:13] <Myrtti> I actually think all loco channels should have atleast one of their ops here
[19:13] <Myrtti> but I told that before
[19:14] <nalioth> patience
[19:14]  * Nafallo waves
[22:22] <Nafallo> soren: mugaX bannad from -dk av en bra anledning? :-)
[22:42] <soren> Nafallo: Hm?
[22:42] <Nafallo> soren: kom till -se och fragade om vi inte kunde prata danska och sa dumheter. slutade nar en person blev opad :-)
[22:43] <Nafallo> dumheter jag inte tanker repetera men som har med WWII att gora.
[22:43] <soren> Nafallo: Han er en komplet idiot. Han kommer forbi #ubuntu-dk i ny og næ.
[22:43] <soren> Nafallo: Eller rettere: Det gjorde han.
[22:44] <Nafallo> oki. trodde val det :-)
[22:44] <Nafallo> tack
[22:45] <soren> Nafallo: Hvornår var han i #ubuntu-se?
[22:45] <Nafallo> soren: en liten stund sedan. medans jag var och hamtade pizza :-)


[02:02] <mycosys> !repo
[02:02] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[12:46] <rileyp> hi
[12:47] <mycosys> hi
[12:47] <mycosys> same dude as on ocau?
[12:48] <rileyp> yeah
[12:48] <mycosys> how u doin dude
[12:48] <mycosys> not as much of an sob as i seem lately btw - quitting smoking makes u hella moody
[12:49] <rileyp> good thanks and you? Nah thats ok I push hard sometimes too
[12:49] <mycosys> what brings you to freenode this fine day?
[12:49] <mycosys> bit sore but pretty good
[12:52] <rileyp> But I learn from it :D nothing really just looking around
[12:55] <mycosys> this channel is pretty decent, but i find mythtv-users more informative in about myth
[12:55] <mycosys> there are some really great people on both
[12:55] <mycosys> some of em even put up with stupid questions like the ones i tebd to ask rofl
[13:35] <rileyp> permissions for mythtv rec dir 775 ??? with myth as owner does that look correct?
[13:38] <mycosys> yeah to me it does
[13:38] <mycosys> tho, exec is a bit odd
[13:39] <mycosys> there is stuff all security in myth, in great part by design
[20:21] <pladijs> is there a way to get back to my original configuration for gdm or X? i messed it up somehow. with original, I mean a configuration that would startup my frontend automatically etc. or is this a question for #ubuntu
[20:29] <JosX> !help
[20:29] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[20:32] <JosX> I have a question, I just installed Mythubuntu 10.10 and upgraded to 11.4. Now It says it cannot connect to backend while this is set up as a backend/frontend machine? the ip is <IP_ADDRESS> so I am not sure what this problem is


[22:24] <zcot> tsimonq2: Hi. I followed the bzr specific guide, was able to work out my way through a package. I uploaded  +junk as just debian versioning method. Is this an easy way for you to take a look(without the .dsc or .changes)? : https://code.launchpad.net/~zcotcaudle/+junk/list-apt-installs-package


[00:02] <xcub> I was still stumped by how I could get the ball to collide with the blocks, but I took a look at an Asteroids project on Github and saw that you used the signal handler onContactPostSolve:   Is that a built in signal handler? I tried to include it in my code, but it was unidentified. In the asteroids project, it seemed to do exactly what I wanted it to do
[00:04] <wxl> popey: jose: balloons: please get ubot(tu|93) here so we can use the factoids.
[00:05] <wxl> popey: jose: balloons: also i suggest adding to the topic the idea of just asking rather than looking for one's mentor, as we can often people people that aren't our mentees.
[00:05] <popey> (nobody reads the topic) :D
[00:05] <darkxst> wxl, its happening after that
[00:05] <popey> Perpetual truth of irc.
[00:06] <darkxst> wxl, xserver blows up trying to vt switch
[00:06] <wxl> oh complacency :)
[00:08] <Girish> wxl : Will virtualising the ISO on a different host OS change things in any way?
[00:08] <wxl> highly doubtful, Girish. did you try to change the 3D settings?
[00:09] <Girish> Let's try that.
[00:10] <Girish> No luck. Same screen.
[00:10] <popey> bug 129836
[00:10] <popey> \o/
[00:10] <wxl> Girish: what version of virtualbox?
[00:11] <Mikman> I submitted a task but my mentor is not approving it.  If he/she does not approve it by the deadline does it not count?
[00:11] <adueppen> hey popey, do you have any idea what balloons wants me to fix/add on my task (terminal tabs mockup)
[00:11]  * tsimonq2 reads the topic...
[00:11] <tsimonq2> popey: ^
[00:11] <tsimonq2> am I the only one?
[00:11] <popey> adueppen, I'll take a look
[00:11] <wxl> Mikman: link me to the task please
[00:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: no, you're not.
[00:12] <tsimonq2> good :P
[00:12] <wxl> popey's just old and jaded XD
[00:12] <Mikman> I'd like to start working on my next task does anybody know how long it usually takes for a mentor to review your task?
[00:13] <popey> adueppen, hm, not sure.
[00:13] <wxl> Mikman: please let me to the task
[00:13] <Girish> wxl : 5.0.10 the latest one.
[00:13] <Mikman> what?
[00:13] <wxl> Mikman: sorry, link me to the task
[00:13] <Mikman> Okay.
[00:13] <adueppen> popey: I guess I'll just have to wait until tomorrow
[00:14] <Mikman> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5154716031909888/
[00:14] <wxl> Girish: i wonder if it's not just a problem with that particular image, too. it is fairly early in the cycle. problems do happen. try the i386 image or try a different flavor like lubuntu
[00:14] <wxl> looking Mikman
[00:14] <Mikman> KK
[00:15] <Girish> Well, Ubuntu is woking in it. Hasn't anybody done this task before?
[00:15] <wxl> Girish: probably just a problem with that image.
[00:15] <Mikman> I don't think so.
[00:16] <robbert> dakxst: hey there, so i have a question: are you asking me to find 5 new bugs, or choose 5 from the  bug tracker?
[00:16] <Girish> wxl : So, I should try i386 version then?
[00:17] <wxl> it MIGHT work better
[00:17] <robbert> darkxst: hey there, so i have a question: are you asking me to find 5 new bugs, or choose 5 from the  bug tracker?
[00:17] <darkxst> Girish, no that won't make a difference
[00:17] <Mikman> +wxl: I'm not sure if you can look at the task if you're not logged in as me.
[00:17] <darkxst> robbert, find 5 existing bugs on the tracker that have not yet been triaged
[00:17] <wxl> Mikman: you did just submit the task. i would give it at least 24 hours. not everyone in the ubuntu community is in the same time zone. by any stretch of the imagination!
[00:18] <darkxst> Girish, open the Virtualbox settings for your VM and check the 3D setting
[00:18] <Girish> And what about the task? Do I mark all tests as failing in the QA tracker?
[00:18] <wxl> darkxst: already did, no luck
[00:18] <robbert> darkxst: but even when looking at the tasks marked as "new", it tells me that only the bugs supervisor is able to change the status to triaged
[00:19] <darkxst> robbert, yes I have to set them when you are done
[00:19] <wxl> Mikman: if i were your mentor i would encourage you to embellish your blog post a bit more and add a bit more detail, especially about the 2 new changes. why are they important?
[00:19] <robbert> darkxst: oh, i understand
[00:20] <darkxst> robbert, make sure they are reproducible, you can edit the bug to clean up description etc
[00:20] <Mikman> +wxl Ok. Thanks.  I wish after you submit a task, you could start working on another one.  I already picked one out that I wanted to do.
[00:21] <darkxst> robbert, if you see some duplicate bugs, you can mark them as such
[00:21] <Mikman> Okay.  I will try but I do not know much about ubuntu and have never used it, but picked this task to learn more about it.
[00:21] <Mikman> +wxl
[00:21] <robbert> darkxst: alright, will do
[00:21] <darkxst> Girish, probably just the Live testscase
[00:22] <darkxst> Girish, if you can try Vmware that might work better
[00:23] <darkxst> Girish, and try login to the console (l:ubuntu-gnome no password) and file a bug using ubuntu-bug
[00:23] <darkxst> ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg
[00:23] <Girish> tsimonq2 : Should I mark the test cases FAILING since I couldn't install the ISO successfully?
[00:24] <Mikman> Can someone tell me what developments are in Ubuntu and how to find out why they are important.  Is there like a description or something when you look at the development list?
[00:24] <Mikman> (Need this for blog.)
[00:25] <tsimonq2> Girish: was it a fail in the install?
[00:26] <Girish> tsimonq2 : Nope, I couldnt get to the screen to install it.
[00:26] <Girish> It didnt load up correctly.
[00:32] <tsimonq2> Girish: then wait until you can
[00:33]  * compterwiz11 slaps Mikman around a bit with a large fishbot
[00:34]  * compterwiz11 slaps cytadela8 around a bit with a large fishbot
[00:44] <flocculant> can we stop wielding fish now
[00:45] <flocculant> we are trying to help people and fish wielding is so childish - thanks
[00:46] <flocculant> fish wielding really should be in #ubuntu or -offtopic
[01:07] <Girish> tsimonq2 : But then how do I proceed with the task? I'm not able to properly boot it. That's probably an image problem. What do you suggest I do next?
[01:14] <darkxst> Girish, you make that the task
[01:14] <darkxst> btw it really is broken, not just you
[01:15] <darkxst> Girish, file a bug, report it on qa tracker, and write a short report to attach the task, and you are done
[04:57] <justinwzig> Hey so total newbie to GCI in general. Are we only allowed to have one task going at once? even if we have submitted something?
[04:58] <georgewhite> justinwzig: Yes.
[04:58] <justinwzig> buggerall
[04:58] <Girish> justinwzig : Yes.
[04:58] <justinwzig> ok thanks.
[04:58] <georgewhite> Only one task allowed.
[04:59] <pulkit_> how to complete a task
[05:00] <tsimonq2> pulkit_: ?
[05:00] <Girish> pulkit_ : Claim a task from the GCI website. Contact mentors here or leave a comment on the task. The mentors will give you a headstart on the task. And then you can start the task.
[05:00]  * tsimonq2 is a mentor
[05:00] <pulkit_> what
[05:01] <tsimonq2> pulkit_: https://codein.withgoogle.com/about/
[05:37] <georgewhite> In 2014 didn’t they allow you to do another task whilst another is being reviewed?
[05:38] <Girish> georgewhite : Yes they did
[05:38] <georgewhite> Oh well, I suppose I could just start the task and the claim it after my task has been reviewed.
[09:51] <georgewhite> Do I have to get the mentor who added a task to review my contributions? Or can any mentor in that organisation review it?
[09:52] <georgewhite> It’s just that in 2014 you could try another task whilst another task is being reviewed, but with the new GCI web app, you can’t.
[09:53] <DanChapman> georgewhite, hey! do you have a link to the task? I'll see if I can review it
[09:53] <georgewhite> Thanks @DanChapman
[09:54] <georgewhite> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5624825301172224/
[10:01] <georgewhite> there should be 18 wiki pages there
[10:01] <georgewhite> in a rich text document.
[10:03] <DanChapman> georgewhite, thanks. Looking now
[10:03] <georgewhite> Great. Thanks again.
[10:21] <georgewhite> if you need a paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13961798/
[10:34] <DanChapman> georgewhite, approved! nice work. The task popped up with "Waiting for parental consent approval" so you may not be able to start a new task until that's been processed
[10:34] <georgewhite> Odd…
[10:34] <georgewhite> Thanks anyway.
[10:34] <georgewhite> I’ll get that fixed.
[10:58] <kenneth05> Sorry, I´ve a problem with Ubuntu GNOME 15.10
[10:59] <georgewhite> kenneth05: what is the problem?
[11:01] <kenneth05> georgewhite: When I start it, Ubuntu can´t start because I don´t have enought graphics
[11:01] <georgewhite> kenneth05: what do you mean enough graphics?
[11:01] <georgewhite> does it show an error?
[11:02] <kenneth05> yes
[11:02] <georgewhite> Does it show a sad computer monitor?
[11:03] <georgewhite> if so, try logging out and then logging in but with the gear menu set to ‘Fallback’ or ‘Classic’
[11:04] <kenneth05> I thinks it´s proper
[11:04] <kenneth05> but I´ll check it
[13:14] <mandarj> can somebody give me a link which explains using autopilot for testing?
[13:14] <mandarj> I am planning to do https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4888703440781312/?sp-organization=4568116747042816
[13:16] <mandarj> hi georgewhite!
[13:16] <mandarj> do you know much about autopilot testing?
[13:17] <georgewhite> Hi mandarj
[13:24] <mandarj> what happened>
[13:24] <mandarj> ?
[13:26] <mandarj> .quit
[13:27] <gabriel> hi
[13:30] <mandarj> can somebody please tell me where I can find the Ubuntu touch Music App repository?
[13:56] <Dacian> Hello, i took a task called  Port pastebinit to snappy using snapcraft and I don't know what port pastebinit means. Can you help me?
[14:00] <DanChapman> Dacian, pastebinit is a small application that uploads text to a pastebin service https://launchpad.net/pastebinit
[14:01] <DanChapman> the task is asking you to turn it into a snappy app using the snapcraft tooling. THere is a snapcraft tutorial here https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/your-first-snap/
[14:04] <Dacian> ok thank you
[14:06] <Dacian> and after I will do this what should I submit at task?
[14:11] <DanChapman> Dacian, ideally you would submit the modifications to the pastebinit project in the form of a merge proposal. You could provide a link to that in the task instance
[14:12] <Dacian> ok thanks
[14:32] <Zame> help
[14:32] <Zame> how can i answer this task?
[14:33] <Zame> I have known this answer and i think i can pass this task.
[17:44] <Girish> Is popey or any calendar/core apps developers around?
[17:46] <DanChapman> Girish, I might be able to help. What's up?
[17:46] <tsimonq2> o/
[17:46] <DanChapman> \o
[17:46] <Girish> What do these symbol mean?
[17:47] <Girish> o/
[17:47] <Girish> \o
[17:47] <Girish> Oh is that waiving hand?
[17:47] <DanChapman> yeah :-)
[17:49] <Girish> How do I run a single autopilot test case?
[17:49] <Girish> I am updating the Calendar app READMEs
[17:50] <Girish> And wanted to confirm whether I'm writing the correct command to run a single autopilot test case.
[17:50] <DanChapman> you use dot notation to the particular test file. e.g autopilot3 run calendar.tests.test_day_of_week
[17:50] <DanChapman> that path is made up btw
[17:50] <DanChapman> but it should give you the gist of it
[17:50] <Girish> I have written this:
[17:50] <Girish>     To run only one test (for instance: test_change_week_across_year in TestWeekview.py):
[17:50] <Girish>     $ autopilot3 run -vv ubuntu_calendar_app.tests.test_weekview.TestWeekview.test_change_week_across_year
[17:51] <Girish> Is that correc?
[17:51] <Girish> correct*
[17:52] <DanChapman> looks plausable :-) I would need to take a look at the source tree to be sure
[17:55] <Girish> http://i.imgur.com/YCREYPw.png
[17:55] <DanChapman> Girish, from the tests/autopilot/* directory run "autopilot3 list calendar_app it will list each testcase path
[17:55] <Girish> File structure on the left. Python file on the right.
[17:58] <Girish> DanChapman : Okay got it. Thanks!
[18:00] <DanChapman> Girish, np :-)
[18:01]  * DanChapman goes to grab some dinner
[18:27] <kenneth05> Sorry, I´ve some problems with Ubunru GNOME
[18:28] <Girish> kenneth05: What problems are you facing?
[18:31] <kenneth05> Girish:When I try to install ubuntu gnome 15.10 I have a problem, ubuntu says: "Sorry, Ubuntu has experienced an internal error" and when I try Ubuntu without install It runs without problems
[18:31] <Girish> Are you using a Virtual Machine?
[18:32] <kenneth05> no
[18:32] <Girish> You can ask general questions about GNOME on #ubuntu-gnome. You will get better help there.
[18:32] <kenneth05> ok, thanks
[18:33] <Girish> no problem.
[19:14] <DiegoTc> balloons: it's OK to publish the task that students are working? I mean on our blogs, so it appears on planet ubuntu
[19:14] <DiegoTc> or you have a special plan for that?
[20:06] <fazer> popey balloons jose Is it possible that there are duplicates of some tasks? Have you guys done that on purpose? Or could that have been an error? because both my friend and I seem to be working on the same task.
[20:06] <popey> There are multiple instances of many tasks
[20:06] <popey> that's intentional
[20:07] <Girish> I saw 2 different tasks (with different mentors) but with the same objective.
[20:07] <Girish> Installing Lubuntu Daily image and testing it in QA tracker
[20:14] <tsimonq2> Girish: can you link us?
[20:18] <fazer> oh ok.
[20:19] <Girish> Okay I just checked again and they have slightly different objectives.
[20:19] <Girish> Sorry!
[20:26] <tsimonq2> Girish: that's fine :)
[20:57] <Girish> popey : Could you review my task? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6506897700028416/
[21:23] <Girish> Can we install the Dekko email client in the emulator? If yes, how? Can you give me a headstart?
[21:23] <Girish> DanChapman ^
[21:26] <DanChapman> Girish, last time I tried it worked fine in an i386 emulator.
[21:27] <DanChapman> You will need to add some additional dependencies to the i386 kit you create in qtcreator. THere's a handy little bootstrap script in dekko's source tree that will do it for you. There's some notes here to get setup https://dekko.gitbooks.io/development-guide/content/SetupDevEnv.html
[21:28] <Girish_> Okay thanks
[21:30] <DanChapman> alternatively you could also just try this click package if you just want to try it out http://dekko-ci.cloudapp.net:8080/job/dev-trunk-build/releasetype=Debug,target=i386/
[21:31] <Girish> DanChapman : I want to try the finding functional bugs task. Which approach would you recommend?
[21:33] <Girish> And could you send that link again?
[22:04] <robbert> darkxst: hey Tim, so I just read through your review and will fix my solution
[23:27] <thenew> hello can anyone help me
[23:28] <thenew> I have problems with completing one task
[23:30] <malevasquez> what's your problem?
[23:30] <thenew> I want to finish iso tracker for Xubuntu
[23:30] <thenew> but I dont understand what to do else
[23:31] <malevasquez> can u send me  the link to the task?
[23:31] <thenew> I installed Xubuntu in virtual machine and I screenshoot step by step the installation
[23:31] <malevasquez> I can try and help you if u need it
[23:31] <thenew> yes of course
[23:31] <thenew> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4811507678314496/
[23:31] <thenew> this is the link for task
[23:32] <malevasquez> Great! So until where did u get>
[23:32] <malevasquez> ?
[23:33] <thenew> what
[23:33] <thenew> ah
[23:33] <thenew> I installed the xubuntu in virtual machine
[23:33] <thenew> i screenshoot steps of installation
[23:33] <flocculant> thenew: what's your launchpad username?
[23:34] <thenew> I report (passed of installation )in ISO tracker
[23:34] <flocculant> please answer me :)
[23:34] <thenew> My name in Launchpad :  Faton
[23:35] <flocculant> ok - so you haven't reported on the tracker still
[23:36] <thenew> I maked this report: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/105604/testcases/1655/results/
[23:37] <flocculant> ok - so that's fatonnuha10 :)
[23:37] <flocculant> thenew: so now mark your task as complete on the google site and I can approve it
[23:37] <thenew> ok srry
[23:37] <thenew> but in launchpad I see only Faton
[23:38] <thenew> I maked but not aproved
[23:38] <thenew> I tried
[23:38] <thenew> I submited now
[23:39] <flocculant> thenew: ok - I approved now, just waiting for the parental approval thing to happen
[23:40] <thenew> ok thank you very much
[23:40] <thenew> and sorry for the lost time
[23:40] <flocculant> welcome - no problem :)
[23:41] <krishna_ravi732> running tests on the ubuntu emulator makes it look like the phone is being hacked :D
[23:42] <malevasquez> thenew: did you start today?
[23:42] <thenew> +flocculant can I do only one last question?
[23:43] <flocculant> not sure what you mean?
[23:43] <thenew> not I started one day ago
[23:43] <thenew> what mean parental approval
[23:44] <thenew> need any aproval from parents, go to they any email or something like this or what?
[23:44] <flocculant> not sure tbh - I expect malevasquez can explain that to you
[23:44] <thenew> ok
[23:44] <flocculant> or any student
[23:45] <thenew> malevasquez can you explain this?
[23:46] <malevasquez> thenew: you need your parents to sign the parental consent form for you, so you can participate
[23:46] <malevasquez> They can do it online
[23:46] <thenew> but my parent has do this when I registered
[23:46] <malevasquez> Was it approved already?
[23:47] <malevasquez> you can check that by clicking on your profile
[23:47] <flocculant> thenew: iirc it doesn't actually get triggered until you do your first submit and approval
[23:47] <thenew> my parent received an email
[23:48] <malevasquez> maybe it wasn't approved yet
[23:48] <thenew> ah ok
[23:48] <malevasquez> after completing it, google needs to verify it
[23:48] <malevasquez> good luck :)
[23:48] <thenew> srry and thank you very much
[23:48] <thenew> really srry
[23:48] <malevasquez> No problem
[23:48] <thenew> and thank you very very much
[23:48] <thenew> I hope I will not see any other problem in other tasks
[23:49] <malevasquez> if you need help with anything else Im here
[23:49] <thenew> thanks
[23:49] <malevasquez> :)
[23:49] <thenew> goodbye now


[05:22] <manchicken> Riddell: My last code quiz submitted, I'm moving back over to the kubuntu-debug-installer.
[10:45] <Mamarok> hm, somebody should have a look at bug 975327, as the UPnP support should be available now IIUC
[11:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:44] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Unless we get libhupnp in main UPnP support is no go
[12:44] <Quintasan> It's still in universe for some reason
[12:44] <Quintasan> ScottK or Riddell could take a look if they have time
[12:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: what at?
[12:54] <Riddell> isn't upnp support in kdelibs considered unstable?
[12:55] <Riddell> there might well be a libhupnp MIR already done (and probably failed)
[14:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hupnp/+bug/682404
[14:19] <Quintasan> It was Fix Commited but nothing really happend
[14:19] <Quintasan> Mamarok: ^^^ what Riddell asked is kind of relevant.
[14:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: It's kind of simple. We will not have UPnP support in KDE at all if we do not compile kdelibs with UPnP support.
[14:21] <Quintasan> There is/was one strange thing though.
[14:21] <Quintasan> When I simply pulled libhupnp-dev when building kdelibs it was not enough
[14:22] <Quintasan> I had to explicitly add -DWITH_UPNP (or something like that) to rules to get it compile with UPnP support.
[14:24] <Quintasan> Why do I have to explicitly tell CMake I want the feature to be turned on when the headers are detected when I didn't have to do so for other optional features?
[14:27] <Quintasan> IMO this needs to be discussed in detail at #kde-devel
[14:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: I strongly suspend that's needed because upnp isn't very stable or recommended by upstream
[14:29] <Riddell> ah this says it was disabled due to usability issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hupnp/+bug/682404/comments/8
[14:30] <Riddell> which is indeed the case with that weird share plasma widgets feature, it's been removed properly now upstream I think
[14:30] <Riddell> but that suggests that hupnp might not be an issue for something else to use
[14:30] <Riddell> commit logs might reveal more
[14:44] <manchicken> Okay, this is silliness... why can't I build libqapt now, when I could before? Now CMake is complaining about missing Qt4.
[14:47] <Quintasan> manchicken: install qt4-default?
[14:47] <Riddell> install libqt4-dev ?
[14:47] <manchicken> Riddell: The later is installed... I could have sworn I installed the former.
[14:48] <manchicken> But I didn't.
[14:48] <manchicken> Not on the VM.
[14:48] <Riddell> removing build cache sometimes helps
[14:53] <yofel> Quintasan, Riddell: what I remember about hupnp in 4.6 is that it was constantly making the device manager pop up and display network devices every few minutes which couldn't be turned off
[14:53] <yofel> as for HUPNP_ENABLED FALSE, afiestas should know more as he seems to have committed that
[14:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: want to put a copy of kdelibs and amarok in a ppa with it enabled so we can test?
[15:13] <manchicken> D'oh! VM out of space.
[16:14] <markey> is Amarok 2.8 available for Kubuntu 12.10?
[16:30] <Riddell> good question
[16:30] <Riddell> markey: yep it compiled https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=amarok&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=quantal
[16:31] <Riddell> I didn't do it at first but seems like some people still use it for some reason so I threw it in there, not yet tested
[16:31] <markey> Riddell: thank you
[16:34] <Riddell> markey: do you have a tester?
[16:35] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.8 updated with 12.10
[16:51] <soee> good evening :)
[16:57] <Quintasan> hi
[21:53] <afiestas> yofel: don't use hupnp
[21:53] <afiestas> that's why it is false by default, it shouldn't be used
[21:53] <yofel> afiestas: Quintasan was looking at it
[21:54] <yofel> afiestas: was there a large issue with it? or is it unmaintained, or..?
[21:55] <afiestas> never worked
[21:56] <yofel> I think it did work to *some* extent when we tried it, though I don't remember much about it
[22:02] <afiestas> it never worked
[22:15] <ScottK> And it's kind of a bad idea even if it worked.
[22:16] <afiestas> ScottK: why is a bad idea having upnp/dlna support ?
[22:16] <ScottK> Allowing random things to plug and play over the network seems risky.
[22:17] <afiestas> your pc already has plenty of those, one more wouldn't hurt that much
[22:18] <ScottK> If you're already bleeding from one arterial wound, another should be fine?
[22:19] <ScottK> It would be ~OK for things on a private network only, but who never takes their laptop to a coffee shop?
[23:24] <manchicken> Yay, growing the partition for my VirtualBox testbed.


 :-D
[10:14] <daftykins> ^_^
[10:16] <daftykins> good morning indeed
[10:16] <daftykins> argh there's an air conditioning unit near here that's periodically making a huge squeaky racket :P
[10:16] <foobarry> wd40 in the intake :P
[10:19] <daftykins> mmm, trouble is i can't quite pinpoint where it's coming from
[10:19] <daftykins> i love on a narrow steep lane, so the sound is bouncing like crazy
[10:19] <daftykins> tempted to ask the hotel opposite but it might not be theirs, could be a unit that's just beside some flats
[10:19] <daftykins> though it has all manner of barbed wire fencing up to it
[10:21] <daftykins> in other news - i just received a super cheap £208 Lenovo 15" intel i3 laptop!
[10:21] <daftykins> pretty neat it is too 0o
[10:21] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/2xto6a/i_was_at_the_canonical_stand_and_spent_5_minutes/
[10:21] <daftykins> XD
[10:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: One is particularly proud of 'is lack of grammar :P "The Walter in Majorca Don't Taste like Wot rit Aughta" and all that pip pip, tally ho
[10:27] <daftykins> XD
[10:29] <JamesTait> I'm sorry, davmor2, I have no idea what you just said. :-P
[10:30] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz9_YfIQaz4
[10:32] <JamesTait> popey, that link makes me smile, and reminds me of the second time I met Jane.  I was at Millbank for a sprint and, being only my second visit to the office, I thought I'd have a walk round and introduce myself to a few people.  I bumped into Jane in the kitchen, recognised her, and introduced myself with "Hello, I don't think we've met - I'm James."
[10:33] <JamesTait> popey, her response?  "Yes, I know, we met before when you were going to Italy."
[10:33] <popey> :)
[10:33] <daftykins> "now give me back my mug"
[10:33] <JamesTait> I felt like an idiot, but she was so nice about it.
[10:34] <daftykins> should've used the twin brother defense
[10:34] <JamesTait> I used the "New guy, flying visit, still finding my feet" tactic.
[10:35] <JamesTait> Which was perfectly valid - I'd been with the company three weeks, as I recall.
[10:36] <daftykins> :D
[10:38] <daftykins> hmm i might use this Windows 8.1 Lenovo as an opportunity to document an Ubuntu beside Windows dualboot install
[10:39] <daftykins> so many get drowned in the many ridiculous partitions these OEM things come with
[10:39] <JamesTait> davmor2, I remember that advert - I'd forgotten just how well she does the accents, though. :D
[10:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's the bloke at the end that tickles me after she's done such a great job :)
[10:40] <JamesTait> "Ya, absolutely wrong!"
[10:41] <popey> woah, skype is built into windows 10?
[10:41] <daftykins> yip
[10:41] <daftykins> as will be the program to stream from the xbox 0o
[10:41] <davmor2> popey: well MS owns them so why wouldn't they
[10:41] <foobarry> like msn was "built in"?
[10:41] <popey> true
[10:42] <foobarry> its like antitrust never happened
[10:42] <daftykins> i don't think the case was ever about instant messaging programs
[10:43] <foobarry> it killed aim/yahoo and others
[10:43] <daftykins> yahoo's still going afaik
[10:43] <foobarry> and real player had a case too
[10:43] <foobarry> althought real SUCKED
[10:44] <daftykins> realBUFFERINGplayer :>
[10:44] <foobarry> In October, 2005, Microsoft agreed to pay RealNetworks $460 million to settle an antitrust lawsuit.[10]
[10:45] <foobarry> Number of employees
[10:45] <foobarry> 1,060 (2012)
[10:45] <foobarry> wow
[10:50] <daftykins> that's how many Real had?
[10:53] <foobarry> in 2012
[10:53] <foobarry> and probably still have them
[10:53] <foobarry> yahoo and real are enigmas to me
[10:54] <popey> real (until recently) were paid licenses by a number of tv networks for their streaming servers
[10:54] <popey> yahoo are paid by large companies who have content deals
[10:55] <popey> e.g. SAP has/had Yahoo! integration
[10:59] <foobarry> bought a load of batteries off ebay, seem to be good prices
[10:59] <foobarry> the same duracells i usually buy
[11:00] <daftykins> you're not a rechargable fan?
[11:00] <foobarry> not with the kids
[11:00] <foobarry> we have so many devices
[11:00] <foobarry> sometimes the batteries stay there for years
[11:00] <foobarry> and get passed on with the batteries still there
[11:01] <foobarry> other things (wii) then i'm not organised enough to have a good supply
[11:01] <daftykins> 7dayshop.com is always worth a look, used to be a local warehouse but i'm not sure what they do now
[11:02] <daftykins> i've got some great 2900mAh AA's from them
[11:02] <foobarry> use a lot of their stuff
[11:02] <foobarry> for audio work i do
[11:02] <foobarry> powering wireles mics etc
[11:03] <daftykins> ah neat
[11:04] <daftykins> we used to have LVCR or low value consignment relief, which was a loophole from the 80s to allow cheap flower export to England to be VAT free. Sadly it had been taken advantage of by etailers such as HMV and 7dayshop there... so the UK gov decided to kill it
[11:04] <foobarry> sometimes you just need duracells to get you through 6 hrs of handheld mic though
[11:04] <daftykins> overnight these companies packed up and moved to somewhere in Europe instead
[11:05] <foobarry> what was the jersey based cd company?
[11:05] <daftykins> play.com
[11:05] <foobarry> cdwow?
[11:05] <foobarry> and them too,
[11:05] <foobarry> used to like play.com
[11:05] <daftykins> mmm, it was good for a time
[11:05] <foobarry> then they killed it
[11:06] <foobarry> with 3rd party sellers
[11:06] <foobarry> and probably the UK gov thing was at the same time then
[11:07] <daftykins> i think there was a great decline beforehand, not sure on timing though
[11:07] <daftykins> ooh my the main telco is rolling out 4G hardware
[11:08] <daftykins> makes no difference to me :D
[11:08] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fujitsu-ScanSnap-S1300i-PC-MAC/dp/B008F05ND6
[11:08] <foobarry> this looks cool
[11:08] <foobarry> maybe a "nice to have"
[11:08] <foobarry> rather than worth it though
[11:09] <foobarry> chomps up magazines v quickly
[11:10] <daftykins> heh
[11:10] <foobarry> some guy is givign me a massive load of old scale modelling magz
[11:10] <daftykins> i got a free printer with this cheap Lenovo laptop today, Canon Pixma iP2850
[11:11] <foobarry> don't mind if its destructive scanning, but i want to archive them
[11:11] <daftykins> magazine subscriptions?
[11:11] <foobarry> of course the pilatesbay could help with newer stuff if i actaully own them
[11:11] <foobarry> going back 10yrs or so
[11:11] <foobarry> about 5 diffeerent magz
[11:12] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQQ1a_KY-Y seems pretty quick process
[11:13] <foobarry> unsure if i need a computer on , or i cuold send to my microserver
[11:13] <daftykins> scanners that dump direct onto a network file share are great :D
[11:14] <foobarry> yeah
[11:15] <foobarry> ouch the network one is £350
[11:21] <foobarry> also linux support is poor for the 1300i
[11:26] <daftykins> :(
[11:26] <daftykins> hmm grabbing a 14.04.2 ISO to throw on this flash drive then install beside Windows on this Lenovo :D
[11:27]  * directhex moos
[11:28] <daftykins> a wild hexy
[11:28] <daftykins> good to see you on the ol' xbox one often, sir - whether it's yourself or wifey
[11:42] <directhex> daftykins: the kinect can spy me in the kitchen
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> where the presence of a potential hot grease discourages nudity... :-)
[11:43] <popey> i never use my xbox
[11:43] <popey> always sam on it
[11:44] <popey> so the avatar is now looking like him
[11:46] <popey> i should figure out one day if we can both have an account on it and be on live and me not pay extra
[11:47] <Myrtti> yes
[11:47] <zmoylan-pi> and if you do ms will find a way to stop that :-)
[11:47] <daftykins> i think there's some kind of family setup, not sure on the details though
[11:50] <directhex> popey: as of xbox one, yes. xbox 360 no.
[11:50] <popey> bummer
[11:55] <daftykins> well this is novel, normally i'm the one shocked at people unable to get a machine to boot ubuntu over in #ubuntu - but this Lenovo is really proving difficult 0o
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> secure boot off, bios on
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> hammer raised :-)
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> oh is this the new security thingy lenovo do...
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> verified boot
[11:58] <daftykins> i'll keep going through my flash drive collection, i don't think it liked that one
[11:58] <daftykins> a win7 drive came up fine both EFI and legacy
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> a thingy lenovo calls boot guard
[12:01] <NET||abuse> hi guys. has anyone here managed to get an IPSEC vpn connection setup in 14.10?
[12:01] <NET||abuse> i'm not sure what route to take and google is showing some pretty gnarly guides in the results
[12:02] <directhex> NET||abuse: server or client?
[12:02] <NET||abuse> trying to connect from my laptop to the office
[12:02] <NET||abuse> they gave me a networkconnect file (xml) and a document for mac connections..
[12:02] <directhex> network-manager-strongswan installed?
[12:03] <NET||abuse> tis now
[12:03] <NET||abuse> somehow i didn't land on the askubuntu article..
[12:03] <jpds> directhex / NET||abuse: n-m-strongswan is le broken.
[12:03] <NET||abuse> ended up digging through a bunch of other old articles.
[12:04] <NET||abuse> oh?
[12:04] <jpds> NET||abuse: Yeah, n-m changed the API and broke the plugin.
[12:04] <jpds> NET||abuse: Configuring it directly in /etc/ipsec.conf works though.
[12:05] <NET||abuse> ok,, how dirty do i need to get my hands to do that?
[12:05] <jpds> Depends.
[12:06] <daftykins> well there's a useful comment ;)
[12:06] <NET||abuse> if i've done "apt-get install strongswan network-manager-strongswan" do i need to change which packages i've installed.
[12:06] <jpds> daftykins: ...on your IPsec knowledge.
[12:06] <jpds> NET||abuse: Nope.
[12:06] <jpds> NET||abuse: Is the other end a strongswan server?
[12:06] <jpds> Ubuntu server with strongSwan*
[12:07] <NET||abuse> not sure.
[12:07] <NET||abuse> probably not
[12:07] <NET||abuse> i'm trying to https port for the host specified.
[12:07] <jpds> You should find that out.
[12:07] <NET||abuse> i've no real way.
[12:07] <jpds> Could be Cisco, Juniper, etc...
[12:07] <NET||abuse> it's a government vpn, some closed up department
[12:08] <jpds> Surely your local admin should be setting this up?
[12:08] <daftykins> ok nope that was easy - system just didn't like the flash drive :) now it's bootable just dandy
[12:08] <NET||abuse> they don't offer that service, and they certainly dont support linux
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> phew daftykins
[12:16] <daftykins> now to consider whether 'install alongside Windows' or manual partitioning would be wisest
[12:17] <popey> has that bug been fixed which wipes out windows?
[12:18] <jpds> daftykins: Neither.
[12:18] <jpds> Oh, wait, fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1265192
[12:19] <daftykins> well i'm doing this a slightly cunning way
[12:19] <daftykins> i've actually used windows 8 to backup the recovery, some files, deleted a wasteful partition then resized C:
[12:20] <daftykins> so this 14.04.2 64-bit ISO just successfully offered to create root and swap in the space i had already created
[12:20] <daftykins> but the point is i'm gonna document it for others :D so i can restore it to how it was if i naff up
[12:23] <daftykins> oh dear i didn't realise 14.04.2 comes with the utopic HWE, no thank you
[12:27] <directhex> non-lts HWE is ubuntu's solution to the "how to make LTS boot on new computers" issue
[12:27] <directhex> which is a historical problem in ubuntu
[12:27] <directhex> the alternative is backporting the world, which requires more engineer time
[12:27] <directhex> e.g. red hat's kernels which say "i am version x" but have most of version x+7's features glued in
[12:29] <daftykins> mmm, i've just seen it get messy for others when the HWE ends support, would rather just stay on 100% LTS
[12:32] <daftykins> am i imagining it, or did Ubuntu or rather Ubiquity used to copy the data you created during a live session, in ~, to the new install?
[12:33] <diddledan> ali1234, sorry, I'm about to post a graham clueless link.. everyone else, new ssl vuln: https://grahamcluley.com/2015/03/freak-attack-what-is-it-heres-what-you-need-to-know/
[12:34] <popey> nope
[12:34] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/04/crossy-road-mobile-game-10m-freemium
[12:37] <shauno> 'new'  hehe
[12:37] <diddledan> yeah well
[12:37] <diddledan> newly announced
[12:38] <daftykins> popey: was that a nope to me?
[12:38] <popey> yes
[12:38] <daftykins> thanks :>
[12:40] <shauno> that's an interesting line, "Do you have an iPhone, an Android or a Mac OS X computer? It affects you."
[12:40] <shauno> I just tried chrome & firefox on win7, both came up flagged.  I guess that's not as sexy though?
[12:41] <daftykins> what's worse to me, is he says "On Android devices, make sure to use something else instead of the built-in Android Browser."
[12:41] <shauno> sometimes it feels like editors go "nice article, but it doesn't mention apple.  go back and squeeze them in, kthxbye"
[12:41] <daftykins> i think that depends on version 0o
[12:41] <daftykins> hah
[12:42] <daftykins> nothing like a good Apple bashing
[12:42] <shauno> they've truely overtaken msft :)
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> aren't all alternate browsers on ios limited
[12:44] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, all alternative browsers on ios are just an apple-provided webview inside a wrapper app
[12:44] <daftykins> used to be, the API was all that was available so you were basically just... ^
[12:44] <daftykins> still remember the boss' kid saying "my friend made a BROWSER!" and i was saying no, no he really didn't.
[12:45] <diddledan> lol
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> so would that make them more limited in terms of this new freak attack?
[12:45] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lpgq7krtmko3ysr/IMG_20150304_124348.jpg?dl=0
[12:45] <daftykins> super cheap machine!
[12:45] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, it means that if the freak affects safari on ios then it affects all the other browsers too
[12:46] <davmor2> \o/ ubuntu phones browser is safe from freakattack :D
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> and if apple did or does fix it how far back does that patch reach iphone 4's?
[12:46] <popey> heh
[12:47] <popey> just wipe it and put cyanoge... oh hang on
[12:47] <diddledan> it might go as far back as the 4, more likely the 4S or even 5 minimum
[12:47] <daftykins> the 4 vanilla didn't get iOS 8, but the 4S did - so probably only the S
[12:48] <popey> I should wipe my 4S and give it to wifey
[12:49] <popey> she's bumbling along with a 4
[12:49] <daftykins> might be worth seeing how much 8.1.3 or whatever they're up to now, grinds it to a halt :D
[12:51] <daftykins> hrmm £21 to double this little thing to 8GB RAM
[12:52] <diddledan> doo eet

[12:52] <popey> \o/ wiped iphone
[12:52] <daftykins> right now the machine stands at £208 cost :D
[12:52] <popey> what machine is it?
[12:52] <diddledan> 229 sounds so much better
[12:53] <popey> hah, neat, just got an email from apple saying find my iphone has been disabled now I wiped it
[12:53] <daftykins> Lenovo B50-70, intel i3 4030U, 4GB RAM and 500GB HD
[12:53] <popey> we need a find my ubuntu phone
[12:53] <davmor2> popey: why it's alway on the desk in front of me ;)
[12:53] <popey> that's your phone
[12:54] <diddledan> I'm cold :-(
[12:54] <popey> I want _my_ phone
[12:54] <popey> daftykins: did it come with that superfish thing?
[12:54] <diddledan> ooh, it's lunch time
[12:54] <daftykins> popey: not sure, gonna wipe it anyway.
[12:54] <diddledan> food ftw
[12:54] <daftykins> likely put 7 on instead of 8, if it goes to mother
[12:54] <diddledan> <norman bates> Yessss, mother!
[12:55] <davmor2> diddledan: you're norman bates......quick arrest the psycho
[12:55] <diddledan> speaking of mother - don't you love how in the original alien movie the computers are text-output
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> you'll need an ssd if she's in a rocking chair :-)
[12:56] <directhex> diddledan: have you played Alien Isolation? they didn't update that at all - it's delightfully future-retro
[12:57] <diddledan> .. and how they thought it would look more computery if the text appeared one character at a time
[12:57] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7t7n5llpq5dyuc7/AACsIO22uCVR3MUceENXe3yla?dl=0
[13:00] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10526631/ - OEM machines are such a mess partitions wise :P
[13:01] <popey> yeah
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> saves 1-2p on supplying recovery disks
[13:02] <daftykins> now i have to wait ~28 days to ask for the £50 cashback from Lenovo
[13:02] <daftykins> oh crap i see smoke outside
[13:03] <daftykins> argh there's a courtyard behind my place so it's impossible to even work out what house/shop/office it's coming from
[13:03] <daftykins> proper white stuff rising though O_O
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> evacuate just in case
[13:04] <daftykins> well it's only me and the cat in mine ;)
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> unless the cat is smart and has already left the building in a calm relaxed manner
[13:05] <daftykins> nope still sunning herself on the stairs
[13:06] <daftykins> that's the life
[13:06] <zmoylan-pi> find sunbeam and enter suspended animation...
[13:12] <popey> i shut the door to the rest of the house, the cats are stuck in here with me
[13:13]  * daftykins hears a chorus of scared miaows
[13:13] <daftykins> oh my, 1pm already
[13:13] <diddledan> daftykins, food!
[13:14] <daftykins> indeed!
[13:14] <daftykins> debating going out on a visit, too
[13:14] <daftykins> now that i have finished playing with the toy, at least for now
[13:14] <daftykins> the free printer it came with i'm not so excited about...
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> not big enough for cat to sleep on? :-)
[13:15] <daftykins> :D
[13:15] <daftykins> it's not in direct sunlight right now ;)
[13:15] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qvpm9jntf1rclt/IMG_20150304_131504.jpg?dl=0
[13:16] <daftykins> it's a bit rude that Lenovo have a little security tape thing on the hard disk screw inside that laptop
[13:17] <shauno> I know it's out of place, but a quick windows question .. any idea how to see what's accessing the disk?
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> it's so they can tell if it was repaired by a professional or an amateur.  the amateur will find a way to not disturb it whereas the professional will say sod that and rip it off :-)
[13:20] <daftykins> shauno: task manager with added columns of IO
[13:21] <shauno> ooh, these I've never spotted.  that should help :)
[13:21] <daftykins> ^_^
[13:21] <shauno> my work laptop keeps crawling.  absolutely crawling.  and you can hear the disk churning away when it does.  so I'm nosey
[13:22] <daftykins> ooh-err, touching swap? er virtual memory... ;D
[13:22] <popey> http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31723029
[13:23] <daftykins> ooh my not Rory
[13:28] <diddledan> rory says "canonical, which basically runs ubuntu" <-- what happened to the huge volunteer developer community?
[13:29] <popey> trolololol
[13:30] <diddledan> the meizu mx4 looks nice, with a very slim bezel <3
[13:30] <diddledan> I'm all about that bezel!
[13:31] <diddledan> that bezel!
[13:31] <diddledan> so. when's the ubuntu watch?

[13:32] <daftykins> 1st of Nevruary
[13:32] <daftykins> Neveruary 0o
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> well you get a dogs collar and glue it to the back of your ubuntu phone.  remember watches have been getting huge in last few years :-)
[13:41] <daftykins> diddledan: what's for lunch?
[13:41] <diddledan> burger and chips when I go to the café
[13:41] <diddledan> I was just about to head out
[13:42] <daftykins> :O a whole cafe lunch, crikey
[13:42] <diddledan> take-away so I don't have to be without cpu-juice for too long
[13:42] <daftykins> hehe
[13:42] <diddledan> hey, it's my birthday, so I'm pushing the boat out :-p
[13:43] <daftykins> really?
[13:43] <diddledan> indeed
[13:43] <daftykins> happy birthday sir!
[13:43] <daftykins> what was it, 32, 33?
[13:43] <diddledan> I'm now 32 (binary)
[13:44] <zmoylan-pi> only a few years away from mid life crisis
[13:44] <daftykins> ah yesh
[13:44] <shauno> diddledan: you're now over 1 billion seconds old.  well done.
[13:44]  * daftykins blows a party thingy at diddledan
[13:44] <diddledan> yeah, don't remind me - someone put a picture on facebook of the spice girls stating that it was 18 years ago
[13:44] <daftykins> O_O
[13:45] <shauno> (isnt' that a bit nuts.  1 million seconds is ~11 days.  1 billion seconds is ~1 diddledan.)
[13:45] <daftykins> :D
[13:45] <diddledan> someone replied saying they showed the picture to their 18year old daughter who asked "who are they?"
[13:45] <daftykins> that's one lucky kid.
[13:46] <diddledan> imagine the oodles of people alive now who don't know who blobby is!?!
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_in_the_United_Kingdom
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> the year cds went on sale in uk
[13:48] <diddledan> tony blair became an mp in 83
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't all good then
[13:48] <diddledan> clive sinclair received his knighthood in 83
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> first episode of blackadder \o/
[13:48] <diddledan> \o/
[13:49] <shauno> /o\
[13:49] <zmoylan-pi> first episode of blockbusters.  can i have a p please bob
[13:50] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, down the hall on the right
[13:50] <diddledan> yey, the first cruise missiles at greenham
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> best games of 1983.  spy hunter... atic atac... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREp_YSXxIE
[13:53] <diddledan> bbiab, food!
[13:57] <daftykins> im' reading about this Dennis Nilsen chap 0o
[13:57] <foobarry> mate of mine's dad was on who caught him
[13:57] <foobarry> one*
[14:01] <daftykins> oh wow
[14:01] <daftykins> any ideas how they did it 0o
[14:01] <daftykins> maybe i should just try and find that part
[14:15] <daftykins> cor, it's way too dark reading about that
[14:15] <daftykins> can't imagine having to deal with that for work O_O
[14:18] <popey> http://liliputing.com/2015/03/zotac-introduces-steam-machine-sn970-gaming-pc.html
[14:26] <diddledan> wow, that's .. I'm not sure how to describe it, daftykins
[14:26] <diddledan> fun eating while reading that
[14:27] <diddledan> popey, november is ages away
[14:28] <diddledan> valve missed the obvious branding tho, steam machine would have been better as "steam engine"
[14:29] <shauno> they already have an engine though, Source
[14:30] <davmor2> diddledan: Locomotive
[14:30] <diddledan> what's the difference between "windows 8.1" and "windows 8.1 with bing"?
[14:31] <shauno> "with bing", I'd imagine :)
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> internet explorer is locked to bing seemingly.  a cheap windows licence for manufacturers to stop chromebooks i think was the idea.  didn't sell well
[14:32] <foobarry> ugh
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> first thing you do is download firefox or chrome depending on your religion and you're grand :-)
[14:34] <diddledan> it's a systembuilder thing - the license to builders is 0 based on the caveat that the oem can't also change the ie search engine to default google by signing a deal where google pay for that privilege
[14:35] <diddledan> you can change the search engine yourself so in a way it's no different to non-oem-bundled editions of windows
[14:36] <diddledan> ref: http://www.howtogeek.com/195934/what-exactly-is-windows-8.1-with-bing-do-i-have-to-use-bing/
[14:39] <diddledan> oh, if anyone does ssl-on-a-server I'd like to recommend sslmate
[14:39] <diddledan> it's a commandline automation of ssl certificate request and download from a ca
[14:40] <diddledan> they also have a function in the cli app that will dump out configuratino for standard web servers
[14:40] <diddledan> copy+paste is so much better than manually typing everything
[14:41] <diddledan> and the config they dump follows best-practice in terms of cipher order and the like
[14:45] <daftykins> mmm fresh croissant from pasty presto around the corner :D
[14:49] <diddledan> yummy
[14:49] <diddledan> that's one thing the french do well
[14:49] <diddledan> bread + cakes
[14:49] <diddledan> that's two things the french do well
[14:50] <daftykins> :D
[14:54] <diddledan> http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/4/8146729/british-government-approves-the-first-spaceport-in-europe
[14:56] <zmoylan-pi> all too far north
[14:57] <daftykins> yes, you are ;)
[14:58] <diddledan> newquay is north?
[14:58] <zmoylan-pi> north of the equator, yes
[14:58] <diddledan> aah
[14:58] <diddledan> well I suppose "lots of planets have a north" (according to 9)
[14:59] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/navigation/2-why-launch-from-equator.html
[15:01] <diddledan> aah, you're talking about too far north for optimum launching. I assumed you were referring to travel time to get there
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> well that too, and the language barrier :-P
[15:01] <diddledan> still, uk-to-aus in 2 hours sounds fun
[15:02] <diddledan> of course that requires aus to build one, too
[15:02] <zmoylan-pi> with an extra hour for security and waiting for your bag to be dug out of the ground after it broke lose
[15:07] <foobarry> mmm jelly snakes
[15:33] <shauno> woot, moar toys  *hugs postman*
[15:36] <diddledan> ooh
[15:36] <diddledan> whatcha bought
[15:37] <shauno> all the rams
[15:37] <shauno> more ram than I could ever use :)
[15:38] <shauno> well, until I figure out bank switching
[15:42] <shauno> I also found out what's hogging all the disk on my windows machine.  "mcafee process validation service" :(
[15:46] <daftykins> :/
[15:47] <daftykins> i'd be tempted to whip it off and reinstall, it could've gone funky from regular patching
[15:47] <daftykins> i've seen that happen at times
[15:56] <diddledan> shauno, what is your rams for?
[15:56] <shauno> you fill it with numbers.  and then when you ask nicely, they come back out
[15:56] <diddledan> err
[15:56] <diddledan> which machine?
[15:56] <diddledan> o_O
[15:57] <shauno> oh.  I'm having fun sticking stuff to a z80 to see what happens
[15:57] <diddledan> y'eejit :-p
[15:57] <shauno> it's not so much 'a machine' at the moment
[15:57] <diddledan> z80 with 32GB of rams sounds... interesting
[15:57] <bashrc> overclocked
[15:57] <shauno> heh.  I got a whole megabit of ram
[15:58] <shauno> which is more than it can address, but it seems easier than buying small chips these days
[15:58] <diddledan> it's probably easier to emulate
[15:59] <shauno> where's the fun in that?
[15:59] <diddledan> true, you can't show off an emulator and say "look at my frankenstein's monster!"
[16:00] <diddledan> hint, apparently girls don't want to hear that on a first date
[16:02] <daftykins> hrmm what was the old syntax, "sudo route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0" sound about right?
[16:03] <diddledan> yeah that looks close
[16:03] <diddledan> maybe without -net
[16:03] <diddledan> or maybe net without the dash
[16:04] <diddledan> I only really need(ed) the default route
[16:04] <diddledan> only ever(
[16:04] <diddledan> **
[16:05] <diddledan> which is `route add default via 192.168.x.y` or sometimes `route add default gw 192.168.x.y`
[16:05] <diddledan> I didn't work out why one was used in some places and the other in others
[16:06] <daftykins> mmm there's some guy in #ubuntu with multiple subnets today
[16:06] <daftykins> it's all a bit odd :P
[16:06] <diddledan> he's a weirdo
[16:07] <daftykins> just someone trying to do things with something they've no experience of i think
[16:07] <daftykins> so possibly all of us XD
[16:08] <diddledan> I still say he's a weirdo
[16:08] <daftykins> then you're a big meanie
[16:08] <diddledan> hey, I resemble that remark!
[16:09] <daftykins> XD
[16:09] <diddledan> no, wait, I meant "resent"!
[16:09] <shauno> which one?  big, meanie, or weirdo?
[16:10] <diddledan> which one do I resemble or which one do I resent?
[16:10] <shauno> yes
[16:12] <diddledan> in that case then, all three :-p
[16:12] <daftykins> organising a curry with you two would be unpossible
[16:15] <shauno> well, I can see logistical issues.  we're all on different islands.
[16:16] <daftykins> :)
[16:16] <daftykins> we should all agree to have a curry, then swap who phones whos for the order
[16:16] <daftykins> then leave a UUID for the collection name
[16:17] <ali1234> dining cryptographers?
[16:17] <daftykins> :D
[16:17] <daftykins> this little Lenovo is quite lovely then, but oh my word i can't stand using systems without an SSD, now
[16:20] <diddledan> daftykins, I've got a difference in speed of my fastest ssd at 100MB/s to my slowest HDD at 1MB/s in the SAME SYSTEM!
[16:20] <daftykins> that's a slow SSD and a very slow HDD :>
[16:20] <daftykins> i take it that was made up?
[16:20] <diddledan> yeah, the ssd was a conservative estimate
[16:21] <diddledan> this is for extracting a zip to and from the same drive as a contrived test
[16:21] <daftykins> ooh-err
[16:22] <diddledan> a zip of linux-like file collection - i.e. a slew of loads of really tiny files and some big files
[16:23] <diddledan> I think it was a zip of drush (the drupal shell) which contained a load of php files and php itself with all it's supporting libraries
[16:24] <diddledan> 6Gb/s is max of about 500MB/s?
[16:24] <daftykins> yip
[16:24] <daftykins> but now there are lovely M.2 SSDs with PCI-E 2x connections, or higher
[16:25] <diddledan> mmmmm, they sound tasty
[16:27] <directhex> they're also tiny
[16:27] <directhex> no 1T m.2 drives on the market
[16:28] <daftykins> that's alright, there seems to be talk of upcoming boards having 2 or 3 slots O_O
[16:28] <diddledan> http://go.bwlh.at/1w3oMCz
[16:29] <daftykins> hah
[16:31] <diddledan> then of course for speed-demons: http://go.bwlh.at/1w3ptLX
[16:32] <daftykins> those are pretty ancient now though, and sandforce based
[16:32] <daftykins> super unreliable controllers
[16:33] <diddledan> if you happen to have a hole burning in your wallet: http://go.bwlh.at/1w3pXBV
[16:36] <intrbiz> I have one of these, allows for 4xmsata - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lycom-PE-125-AHCI-6Gbps-RAID-4x-mSATA-Low-Profile-PCIe-2-0-Host-Adapter-/121431347857?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_InterfaceCards&hash=item1c45df5291
[16:37] <daftykins> mSATA is old hat now ;)
[16:38] <intrbiz> sure, but still lots of it around and I like the compat with sata controllers
[16:38] <diddledan> does booting off a pcie work via the option-rom capability of bios?
[16:38] <diddledan> e.g. like the way old scsi cards used to work
[16:38] <directhex> the UEFI equivalent.
[16:39] <diddledan> I don't got uefi
[16:39] <daftykins> it only crops up on the modern platforms
[16:39] <daftykins> if you got a card you'd likely be unable to boot from it
[16:39] <directhex> actually the answer is "no"
[16:39] <directhex> older cards present to the firmware as AHCI devices
[16:39] <intrbiz> directhex: probably depends on the PCIe card in question, server boots off spinning rust
[16:39] <directhex> so boot as such
[16:39] <diddledan> I got one of those weird frankensteins that gigabyte put together that's a bios with a uefi shim that the bios loads
[16:40] <directhex> newer devices present as NVMe, so require support for that
[16:40] <directhex> i expect there'll never be NVMe support in BIOS compatibility layers
[16:40] <daftykins> probably no great loss
[16:40] <diddledan> this isn't bios compatibility - it is a true bios with efi compatibility
[16:40] <directhex> yeah, i know
[16:40] <directhex> my dad has one
[16:40] <diddledan> it's evil!
[16:40] <directhex> bricked his system when windows did a suspend
[16:41] <daftykins> XD
[16:41] <directhex> for his model, there was a beta "bios update" available which replaced it with real uefi
[16:41] <diddledan> I wish I had waited until they version bumped the board to include efi
[16:41] <daftykins> i'm glad i've skipped all that experimental period :>
[16:42] <diddledan> I've got a GA-990FXA-UD5 (ver 1.0) - they released a successor, the version 3.0, which has uefi natively
[16:42] <directhex> msi did their experimental period last decade
[16:42] <directhex> "clickbios" boards from msi were uefi with mandatory bios compatibility years before anyone other than apple was doing uefi on x86
[16:44] <diddledan> yeah I bricked one of those
[16:44] <directhex> gigabyte invested a lot of time/money into adding clicky GUI stuff into their BIOS instead, hence "hybrid EFI" compatibility layer on top of BIOS
[16:48] <daftykins> lets give TV licensing another go
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> if you get rid of the licence fee for the bbc you'd end up with american tv 24x7
[17:22] <daftykins> managed to tell them i don't need one \o/
[17:22] <daftykins> i don't watch any of it so... :D
[17:22] <shauno> it sounds like they're trying to go the same way as ireland wants to - a universal fee
[17:23] <Myrtti> Finland moved into a TV tax everyone needs to pay
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> they're moving to everyone pays in ireland.  the blind aren't exempt last i heard which has them a little miffed
[17:24] <daftykins> XD
[17:25] <Myrtti> well it used to be tv licence but moved into "FBC tax" which more obviously funds the radio too.
[17:25] <daftykins> i did hear they tax all forms of internet connection above a given speed in either Denmark or the Netherlands
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> they're trying that angle i think in ireland but irish radio is given buttons of the fee
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> mind in dublin they switched off the audio cues on pedestrian crossings as sighted people complained that it confused them.  they didn't tell anyone and switched them all off in one weekend which was fun for blind pedestrians on the monday
[17:26] <Myrtti> I value the FBC radio more than their tv
[17:27] <shauno> I get more out of bbc radio than TV too.  and their website
[17:27]  * zmoylan-pi is fan of irish radio and gets a fair few podcasts from them
[17:27] <daftykins> does the 'pod' bit come from 'ipod' ? 0o
[17:27] <shauno> but the odd position in ireland is that I get much more out of the bbc than rte.  while makes the tv licence just feel silly
[17:28] <shauno> *which
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> i think the pod in podcast was originally for ipods but now most people i know that use podcasts _don't_ use iphones or ipods
[17:29] <bashrc> I don't pay much attention to the beeb these days. Very occasionally I might be drawn to some news article on their web site, but that's about it
[17:29] <Myrtti> I love channel 4 podcasts
[17:29] <zmoylan-pi> the bbc world service is a far better potential weapon against extremists in afghanistan/pakistan than any troops ever sent if used right
[17:29] <shauno> radio4 is a bedtime ritual for me
[17:30] <shauno> except when they put cricket on instead of closing.  then I get woke up by the automated dude that tells me they don't have the rights to broadcast it online
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> better than having to listen to cricket :-)
[17:31] <shauno> they should just cut to the worldservice like they usually do at close.  instead of 4 hours of this guy telling me why they didn't
[17:32] <daftykins> :(
[17:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[17:33] <shauno> O di like the world service too.  but the version they have online has a strong african theme  (I believe they broadcast different schedules around the world, and only stream one)
[17:34] <shauno> so, eg, I know who won the africa cup of nations this year.  and why it was moved to equatorial guinea  lol
[17:34] <shauno> wow.  my typing is fantastic today.
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> you can fly the irish tri colour upside down and support ivory coast \o/
[17:36] <bigcalm> At the office and have a shiny new Dell XPS 8700. Of course it's come with win 8.1 and I need to scrub it off. Trying to get Ubuntu 14.04 to install but it's not seeing the HDD. Any thoughts?
[17:36] <shauno> the irish flag upsdie down is still the irish flag :)  you need to staple the wrong side to the mast to flip it
[17:36] <bigcalm> The HDD is showing up in gparted, but not in the installer
[17:41] <bigcalm> directhex: have you been able to dual boot a win 8.1 machine that's using secure boot and uefi?
[17:41] <directhex> sure.
[17:42] <diddledan> daily fail today leads with the story of how jihadi john is actually an evil man because he spent 20 years on benefits
[17:42] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/kevinbridges86/status/573037483329527808/photo/1
[17:42] <diddledan> anywho, I'm off for a bit
[17:42] <diddledan> tata
[17:44] <bigcalm> directhex: how? :D
[17:44] <directhex> bigcalm: same way as without secure boot, in the case of ubuntu (which uses a signed bootloader)
[17:46] <bigcalm> directhex: so leave it all using secure boot and uefi, boot from a USB stick with Ubuntu 14.04.2 on it and let it work magic?
[17:46] <directhex> yeah.
[17:47] <bigcalm> Looking in gparted at the harddrive, there are multiple existing partitions because it's Dell. gparted even complained that GPT was in the wrong place and offered to fix it for me - I ignored it
[17:47] <bigcalm> Okay, I'll try again
[17:50] <directhex> the partition thing is likely a recovery partition thing being insane
[17:50] <bigcalm> Yes
[17:50]  * bigcalm drums his fingers
[17:51] <bigcalm> If leave the system using secure boot, grub appears when the USB stick is plugged in. But selecting any option results in a black screen and nothing else. This is the case for all HDMI and DVI ports.
[17:51] <bigcalm> Disabling secure boot results in getting further
[17:52] <bigcalm> As in, the normal desktop system loads as expected
[17:52] <bigcalm> But the HDD is not detected by the installer
[17:53] <directhex> hmmmmmmmmm
[17:53] <directhex> this doesn't sound like secure boot behaviour... how recent is it?
[17:53] <directhex> old GPU?
[17:54] <bigcalm> It's brand new from Dell. Arrived today
[17:55] <bigcalm> http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-8700/pd?oc=cdx8727&model_id=xps-8700
[17:56] <directhex> firmware update available?
[17:57] <directhex> a10 is current
[17:57] <bigcalm> I've not booted into Windows to find out :)
[18:00] <bigcalm> It's using A09
[18:00] <bigcalm> I'll go through the Windows set-up and see about getting a firmware update
[18:01] <daftykins> i'd leave off 14.04.2 since it uses the utopic HWE
[18:02] <popey> that makes no sense.
[18:02] <popey> on a brand new machine, it makes way more sense to have a later kernel
[18:02] <directhex> daftykins: you mean a modern kernel? that's a positive, not a negative, for HW support
[18:02] <popey> especially dell stuff
[18:03] <popey> where they ship consumer devices with bleeding edge hardware
[18:04] <daftykins> i guess so, but does mean that when utopic dies you have to keep faffing with the upgrades
[18:04] <bigcalm> Should I try using 14.10 then?
[18:04] <daftykins> well they're saying ignore me, so up to you :D
[18:06] <popey> bigcalm: no, 14.04 imo
[18:06] <bigcalm> Good. I want LTS on work machines
[18:06] <daftykins> i've just seen too many crying in #ubuntu when HWEs die
[18:06] <popey> HWEs don't "die"
[18:07] <daftykins> you know what i mean
[18:07] <popey> no, I flat out don't
[18:07] <daftykins> or if not, it should be pretty obvious
[18:07] <daftykins> mmm you've used those words before
[18:07] <popey> i don't know what you're talking about
[18:07] <daftykins> when the release the HWE comes from falls out of support
[18:08] <daftykins> e.g. when raring died so the 3.15 kernel and xorg on precise became EOL
[18:08] <daftykins> er, hmm no 3.5
[18:09] <daftykins> clear as mud? :D
[18:10] <popey> I don't see the issue, you update to the next HWE stack
[18:10] <popey> and get new shiny
[18:10] <daftykins> yeah but all the tools to do so are a mess quite frankly
[18:10] <popey> never had a problem with it personally
[18:11] <daftykins> last time it happened there was a mix of output for people coming into #ubuntu - the verbose hwe-support-status command which i forget right now would say they were EOL but not tell them what to do to resolve it
[18:12] <daftykins> bigcalm: amusingly i was just doing what you're doing, albeit with a Lenovo
[21:11] <diddledan> evening
[21:17] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[23:35] <diddledan> quiet in here tonight
[23:41] <Myrtti> don't yinx it
[23:50]  * m0nkey_ bangs his pots and pans
[23:50] <m0nkey_> LOUD ENOUGH FOR YOU?! :-P


[08:45] <jenkins> morning all
[09:10] <ChrisWoollard> morning Mr Jenkins
[09:19] <jenkins> hey ChrisWoollard
[09:19] <thorwil> morning!
[09:20] <ChrisWoollard> I looks lovely outside
[09:22] <jenkins> it better cheer up otherwise i am going to get wet this weekend
[09:38]  * nisshh has finished college for the semester
[09:39] <jenkins> yey nisshh
[09:40] <nisshh> jenkins: yea, its a good feeling
[09:40] <jenkins> i bet
[09:41] <nisshh> hehe
[10:22] <thorwil> hi vish
[10:23] <vish> thorwil: Guten Morgen ;)
[10:23] <thorwil> heh, wow :)
[10:24] <thorwil> vish: i don't even know what your native tongue is!
[10:24] <vish> thorwil: google translate fwiw :D
[10:26] <vish> today gonna debug my webcam! darn thing hasnt been working for a long time!
[10:26] <thorwil> vish: hope there are no fire ants in there!!
[10:27] <vish> ha!
[10:28] <jenkins> vish use a jam jar to catch any bugs :P
[10:29] <vish> not the jar again ;p
[10:31] <thorwil> vish: would you like to talk about your traumatic experiences with a jar?
[10:32] <vish> thorwil: yeah , heard the same jar joke yesterday , is kinda traunatic to hear it again  ;p
[10:32]  * vish hides from jenkins
[10:32] <thorwil> ah, jenkins needs a sensitivity training, then ^^
[10:34] <vish> yesterday it was better with pictures and all.. today jenkins just got lazy , no pictures ;p
[10:34] <jenkins> lol
[10:34] <jenkins> there were only pictures a daker did not know what a jam jar is
[10:49] <c7p> jenkins do you use social networks ?
[10:50] <jenkins> c7p i am on twitter and facebook
[10:50] <c7p> nice :D
[10:51] <c7p> may i add you?
[10:51] <c7p> or you add only friends of yours?
[12:29] <jenkins> see you in a couple of days o/
[14:06] <thorwil> nice. http://etherkiller.org/
[15:17] <nisshh> thorwil: that etherkiller is cool, hehe
[15:18] <thorwil> :)
[15:29] <vish> heh , i thought i was gonna be about etherpad killer!
[15:30] <thorwil> well, nowadays, ether makes me think -pad often enough
[15:51] <vish> zkriesse: your mail to docs went straight to bulk! ;p
[15:52] <vish> hint , never send messages with subject "Hi!"


[15:39] <waldi> moin
[15:40] <waldi> can i somehow disable per-instance modules? i want to do upgrades from instances without cloud-init, and they would start with overrides stuff
[16:45] <smoser> waldi, ?
[17:01] <waldi> smoser: i want to install cloud-init on already running systems and make sure it does not run for example things like ssh key generation
[17:02] <smoser> ah.
[17:02] <smoser> hmm...
[17:03] <smoser> if you knwo what things you dont want to run, you can look at /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[17:03] <smoser> and just comment stuff out


[10:11] <smartboyhw> OK since ubuntustudio-default-settings got in I think not really much work to go on now except testing:D
[12:43] <scott-work> good morning everyone :)
[12:44] <scott-work> it looks like changes are happening at work, and i expect more free time by the end of this month
[12:44] <scott-work> is anyone interested in brainstorming for next cycle and getting blueprints lined out?
[12:44] <scott-work> ..
[12:45] <scott-work> by the way, len-dt and ailo (and micahg too), you guys rocked some good stuff this cycle
[12:45] <scott-work> without your involvement, we would have been basically dead
[12:48] <falktx> scott-work: hey there
[12:49] <falktx> scott-work: I look forward to get my Cadence tools into debian soon
[12:49] <falktx> so I kinda ask, can that be considered on the next meeting or something?
[12:49] <falktx> only for next cycle, of course
[12:51] <ailo-w> falktx: I'm willing to look through your stuff. We should use your apps and see how they could be useful
[12:52] <falktx> ailo-w: thanks, I'm working hard to finalize them now
[12:52] <ailo-w> falktx: Are you happy with their current state? Just add your ppa and install them?
[12:52] <falktx> I still need to write their documentation so everyone knows what they do
[12:52] <FloatingGoat> what apps?
[12:52] <falktx> ailo-w: I'll create a new PPA just for them in the mean time
[12:52] <ailo-w> falktx: Good idea. I can help with docs
[12:53] <falktx> the page I use to write the app-docs is here:
[12:53] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/KXStudio:Applications
[12:53] <falktx> (skip FeSTige and Klaudia)
[12:53] <scott-work> falktx: that would be awesome (getting cadence into debian)!
[12:53] <scott-work> congratulations :)
[12:53] <falktx> thanks, still lots of work to do though :)
[12:54] <scott-work> the calf plugins apparently have a new website (and some new plugins): http://calf.sourceforge.net/index.html
[12:54] <falktx> yes, those are awesome!
[12:55]  * FloatingGoat is going to try festige
[12:55] <ailo-w> falktx: I'll make sure to install them and use them for a little while. I'd suggest anyone else to do that too, so we know how they are useful.
[12:56] <falktx> ailo-w: I already have them in kxstudio (as calf-plugins-git package), I assure you they are great
[12:56] <falktx> I need to update to latest git though, there has been lots of fixes recently
[13:04] <ailo-w> scott-work: I'd give len-dt most of the credit for this cycle, all though, I've been doing preparative work on a few important things, such as Ubuntu Studio developer docs. Things are kind of hectic, so things move painfully slowly for me right now on US development, but I will keep working on whatever I've started.
[13:34] <FloatingGoat> falktx: hey can i use festige with qtractor?
[13:35] <falktx> festige is an app, not a plugin
[13:35] <falktx> dssi-vst is there for the job, check the plugins page
[13:37] <FloatingGoat> it wont load or something
[13:37] <falktx> hM?
[13:39] <FloatingGoat> it doesnt seem to load
[13:42] <FloatingGoat> im going to try and work around it
[13:42] <falktx> note that I don't support festige anymore
[13:43] <falktx> everything is going towards the cadence tools
[13:43] <falktx> there is 'Carla' in there which will replace festige soon
[13:43] <FloatingGoat> what is cadence?
[13:43] <FloatingGoat>  I was looking at it and it looks cool
[14:57] <smartboyhw> hi scott-work
[14:57] <smartboyhw> and ailo-w
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Wow er scott-work and ailo you have been praising len-dt ?
[14:59]  * smartboyhw joins the crowd
[15:00] <scott-work> hi smartboyhw
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Hey falktx saw you talking about cadence into debian:D
[15:00] <smartboyhw> scott-work, blueprints....Where are they?:D
[15:00] <smartboyhw> I saw it from today's logs
[15:01] <scott-work> i mention it because i wanted to start brainstorming ideas for the blueprints
[15:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, first idea: To add a "Work hard on Developer Docs" item for ailo :D
[15:02] <scott-work> i expect that some tasks from Q will carry over to R, but i would also expect some new tasks
[15:03] <scott-work> the current blueprint framework should also be reconsidered...the names and parsing of the blueprints were my construct and might not be the most applicable
[15:03] <smartboyhw> :D
[15:04] <scott-work> however, if they work and no one wants to change, delete, or add a particular blueprint topic to better handle particular tasks, then we should definitely explore that
[15:04] <smartboyhw> scott-work, so really nothing to do much for Q now eh?:D
[15:10]  * smartboyhw hopes he can do all that testing in 14th-18th Oct....Will be quite busy ah!
[15:11] <scott-work> there are incidentals we can always work on, e.g. website, documentation
[15:11] <scott-work> and always bug fixes that should be looked at
[15:11] <scott-work> i am actually setting up two computers on a KVM switch in the game room to help out with testing again
[15:12]  * scott-work lost his "testing area" from the spare bedroom
[15:12] <smartboyhw> scott-work, :D
[15:12] <smartboyhw> YEAH YEAH YEAH
[15:19] <len-dt> scott-work, my testing is kind of slow these days due to a video problem with my machine.
[15:20] <smartboyhw> welcome len-dt look at your praises from ailo, scott-work and me!:D
[15:21] <len-dt> There has been an offer of getting the latest gimp paint studio into repos if we are going to include it.The offer came a bit late this cycle, but might be worth considering for R
[15:23]  * len-dt thanks people for the support, but thinks it is mostly just menu reworking.
[15:23] <smartboyhw> len-dt, I think the new one must be in for R Alpha 1!
[15:23] <smartboyhw> len-dt, come on you worked most hard
[15:25]  * smartboyhw anyway thanks ailo and len-dt and scott-work for making a wonderful OS.
[15:25] <len-dt> scott-work, another item to add to R BP is getting icons set up for any of our own *.desktop or *.directory files
[15:25] <scott-work> len-dt: if gimp paint studio was in the repo i would defintely like to include it in the graphics seeds
[15:28] <scott-work> i also wish synfig was back in the repos or some other 2d graphics animation application
[15:28]  * scott-work wonders if pencil ever get into the repos
[15:52] <scott-work> apparently it has :)
[15:52] <scott-work> i think i will look into using this for a few upcoming projects then
[15:56] <falktx> warning: gimpshop is a scam and virus source
[15:56] <falktx> just in case...
[16:00] <scott-work> oho, just realized that synfig was back in ubuntu starting in quantal :D
[16:07] <len-dt> scott-work, the person to talk to for gimp paint studio is shnatsel
[16:08] <len-dt> He already has it in his own PPA
[16:27] <scott-work> i remember shnatsel talking about it and telling me about some of the features (although i can't remember anything specific :P )
[16:27] <len-dt> scott-work, it is an addon to gimp it adds tools to gimp, not another app.
[16:28] <len-dt> Makes gimp able to do painting kinds of things as well as touch up etc.
[16:29] <scott-work> i remember the feeling that it was a set of tools that bridges gimp to photoshop functionality basically
[16:29] <len-dt> I'm not enough of an artist (paint/visual wise) to make good use of it. I like something that can draw shapes.
[16:29] <scott-work> i found this just now, which is pretty damn impressive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nKnvp2sJww
[16:29] <len-dt> (lines, squares, circles)
[16:30] <scott-work> another interesting video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmcvR2yeGbQ
[16:31] <scott-work> i wish there would be a blender "paint studio" :P
[16:31] <scott-work> well for video
[16:31] <scott-work> lower thirds, et al can be made with the node editor but it would be nice have scripts already together for such common things like mainstream video editors
[16:32] <scott-work> the hope is lightworks currently for many people to provide this stuff
[16:33] <len-dt> Nice video... have to start out with an artist though. I couldn't do that :)
[18:55] <scott-work> woah, webchat did some weird stuff and then wouldn't let me log on
[19:15] <len-dt> scott-work, two more things to add to 13.04 BP are controls (Which is in progress) and mode change (Len needs to rewrite this in python)
[19:25] <len-dt> they actually go together.
[19:50] <scott-work> len-dt: i'm going to review the logs and then post a these items to the mailing list for record and to ask others to contribute ideas