[07:45] <tsdgeos> Cimi: can you top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/bug1365929/+merge/234795 ? seems autopilot tests are all broken again in CI for no reason
[07:46] <Cimi> tsdgeos, done
[07:48] <tsdgeos> Cimi: you're going to the office today?
[07:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yup
[07:48] <tsdgeos> Cimi: can you please ask them to think on the transitions for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1368670 ?
[07:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, having my coffee now (much better at home than there :P)
[07:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, transitions?
[07:49] <Cimi> tsdgeos, for the back button?
[07:49] <tsdgeos> and for open
[07:49] <tsdgeos> Dash overview has an amazing open transition
[07:49] <Cimi> tsdgeos, open is like a reply command in messages
[07:49] <tsdgeos> where the current dash item just fades into the dash item in the list
[07:49] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I believe will be like in contacts
[07:49] <tsdgeos> thiis can't happen here
[07:49] <Cimi> tsdgeos, you pull the list from the bottom
[07:49] <tsdgeos> so i want them to tell me what needs to happen in both open and close
[07:50] <Cimi> tsdgeos, that bottom edge will probably go away after RTM anyway
[07:50] <Cimi> tsdgeos, there are other plans...
[07:50] <tsdgeos> good for after RTM
[07:51] <tsdgeos> i thought we all cared for before RTM
[07:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yes we do
[07:51] <tsdgeos> because if something is unusable it has to be fixed
[07:51] <tsdgeos> then let's make not things that are unusable
[07:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, but this is not the final bottom swipe
[07:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, this will eventually go as a menu button in the header
[07:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, and bottom edge will probably contain feed customisation
[07:51] <tsdgeos> eventually is not now :)
[07:52] <tsdgeos> i want to know what we do now
[07:52] <Cimi> tsdgeos, two stages
[07:52] <Cimi> tsdgeos, 1st, now, we have a list of feeds in the bottom edge
[07:52] <Cimi> tsdgeos, 2nd, we move this list as a button on the header
[07:52] <Cimi> tsdgeos, and the bottom edge will become something else, related to feed customisation
[07:53] <Cimi> tsdgeos, for rtm we care of 1
[07:53] <tsdgeos> so we need to have proper transitions for 1
[07:53] <tsdgeos> don't we?
[07:53] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I think will be like in contacts/messaging
[07:54] <Cimi> tsdgeos, you pull the listview over the dash
[07:54] <Cimi> way simpler than now
[07:54] <tsdgeos> get them to confirm and write it on the bug or somewhere pelase
[07:55] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ok
[08:06] <Cimi> tsdgeos, which branches to review today?
[08:07] <Cimi> tsdgeos, mzanetti we have a long list of branches, we need to land land land
[08:07] <tsdgeos> on it i guess :d
[08:07] <mzanetti> Cimi: then go ahead and test silo 11
[08:07] <mzanetti> and fix the issues in there :P
[08:08] <Cimi> afk for a bit, shower
[08:08] <mzanetti> :D
[08:11] <mzanetti> hah! I think my N4 is recovering! It flashes red again after being plugged into the wall charger for >10 hours now
[08:13] <tsdgeos> \o/
[08:18] <tsdgeos> Cimi: for the image gallery click thing, please double check if we can kill the ¿duplicated? FIXME in qml/Dash/Previews/PreviewImageGallery.qml i tried yesterday and it seems we don't need it
[08:33] <mzanetti> dednick: good morning
[08:33] <mzanetti> dednick: testing silo11, indicators don't seem to connect
[08:39] <tsdgeos> marcustomlinson: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcustomlinson/unity8/handle_null_preview/+merge/234054/comments/574267
[08:49] <mzanetti> dednick: ok... have to drop the indicator-polishing branch from the silo then
[08:50] <Cimi> tsdgeos, having look soon, going to the office in a bit
[08:50] <tsdgeos> ok
[08:50] <Cimi> packing devices...
[08:52] <mzanetti> Cimi: please unapprove this: I don't have permissions: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/indicator-polishing/+merge/229083
[08:53] <Cimi> mzanetti, why?
[08:54] <mzanetti> because it breaks the indicators
[08:55] <tsdgeos> dednick: are you please taking care of https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity8/stop-using-statusicon/+merge/234502 ?
[09:04] <Cimi> mzanetti, but this morning we are supposed to merge the indicators together
[09:11] <dednick> mzanetti: erm. hm. that's weird
[09:12] <mzanetti> Cimi: ?
[09:12] <tsdgeos> dednick: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/post-prompts-in-prompts-tweaks/+merge/233377 ?
[09:12] <Cimi> mzanetti, nick has a branch to go with that
[09:12] <Cimi> mzanetti, currently need fixing
[09:13] <dednick> Cimi: mzanetti is testing the silo
[09:13] <dednick> mzanetti: i'm actually on holiday today. i'll be out for a bit, then can try take a look
[09:13] <mzanetti> Cimi: ah... that might be the issue
[09:13] <mzanetti> Cimi: seems the other branch is not in the same silo
[09:13] <Cimi> mzanetti, ok
[09:13] <mzanetti> dednick: ^
[09:13] <mzanetti> dednick: so maybe nothing you need to fix.
[09:14] <dednick> tsdgeos: it was approved but not top approved because it's failing CI
[09:14] <tsdgeos> autopilot is broken
[09:14] <tsdgeos> stupid autopilot and stupid CI randomly break all the time
[09:14] <dednick> tsdgeos: yeh. i've approved it already
[09:14] <dednick> top i mean
[09:17] <dednick> mzanetti: supposedly all the required branches are in the silo
[09:21] <dednick> mzanetti: can confirm it's not connecting :/
[09:21] <dednick> i mean, i confirm
[09:22] <dednick> damnit. was working a couple of days ago
[09:23] <mzanetti> dednick: same here with my lifecycle fixes branch... i could swear it was working when we reviewed it
[09:23] <mzanetti> had to go from the silo too
[09:23] <dednick> mzanetti: hm. looks like my unity8 polishing branch isn't part of the silo
[09:23] <mzanetti> yeah... that's what cimi told me before too
[09:23] <dednick> file:///usr/share/unity8//Panel/Indicators/DefaultIndicatorPage.qml:177:5: Type MenuItemFactory unavailable
[09:23] <dednick> file:///usr/share/unity8//Panel/Indicators/MenuItemFactory.qml:454:9: Type MessageMenuItemFactory unavailable
[09:23] <dednick> file:///usr/share/unity8//Panel/Indicators/MessageMenuItemFactory.qml:81:13: Menus.SimpleTextMessageMenu is not a type
[09:24] <dednick> Shouldn't be looking for SimpleTextMessageMenu
[09:24] <dednick> i gota run. be back in 30
[09:25] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: so no filtering at all for notification length?
[09:25] <tsdgeos> seems you went from 2 lines to "any lines"
[09:25] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:33] <Cimi> tsdgeos, in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/croppedImageMinimumSourceSize/+merge/233319
[09:33] <Cimi> when we do visible: false
[09:33] <Cimi> what brings it back to true?
[09:33] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: when you have some time, may I ask you to give this one a look? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-dont-hide-on-dash/+merge/233038
[09:35] <tsdgeos> don't read my mind ;)
[09:35] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: the test fails
[09:35] <tsdgeos> may not be your fault though
[09:35] <tsdgeos> let's see trunk
[09:35] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I don't know really know what can come through with these class-2 sms
[09:36] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: sure but it was 10 for snap notifications and 2 for rest, now is infinite for any?
[09:36] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, since nobody complained (or filed bugs) once the 10-line limit was in place, I initially thought "Just go back to this."
[09:38] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: honestly i don't know enought about the subject to give a better opinion, is there anyone else we should talk to?
[09:39] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I was hoping to get more input from Design or the dialer-app folks.
[09:39] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ping them to death :D
[09:39] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, I too know nothing about the sms-standard
[09:41] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, well there was a lengthy eMail-thread yesterday with no real output in that regard... so I assume they still try to figure it out.
[09:41] <tsdgeos> Cimi: in artImage?
[09:41] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: ok
[09:43] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: test also fails in master, not your dowin
[09:43] <tsdgeos> doing
[09:48] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, looks like even the folks working on the ofono-bit for sms don't know for sure the limits. So for the time being 2-line limit for non-snap-decision and unlimited for snap-decisions sounds like the best compromise.
[09:49] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: who creates snap-decisisons?
[09:49] <tsdgeos> can "random apps" do?
[09:49] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, no... confined/regular apps can't do that
[09:49] <tsdgeos> so it's mainly "us"
[09:49] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, correct
[09:49] <tsdgeos> looks the best compromise yes
[09:49] <tsdgeos> if you do that i'll approve
[09:50] <Cimi> tsdgeos, for example
[09:50] <tsdgeos> Cimi: noone, artImage is always non visible since it's part of a shape
[09:50] <Cimi> ok
[09:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, cool
[09:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I don't have time to test the branch widely, did you? works well?
[09:52] <tsdgeos> works for me yes
[09:52] <tsdgeos> but honestly somebody should :D
[09:52] <tsdgeos> test it moar
[09:53] <Cimi> tsdgeos, wmall comment
[09:53] <Cimi> small
[09:54] <tsdgeos> ahhhhhhh
[09:54] <tsdgeos> i think i know why the autopilot tests are broken
[09:54] <tsdgeos> the damn notification about sd thing
[09:54] <tsdgeos> did that get fixed?
[10:00] <Cimi> tsdgeos, we want to have cards with mascot without the ubuntushape
[10:06] <tsdgeos> Cimi: yes
[10:06] <tsdgeos> Cimi: artImage is not the mascot
[10:37] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: does https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/synchronous-notification/+merge/229059 have a bug or something? what do i try?
[10:39] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, no it's a pure feature... you can either test it with the icon-value.py Python-script from the corresponding lp:~macslow/unity-notifications/synchronous-notification branch or install lp:~macslow/indicator-sound/synchronous-notification on your device and use the volume-buttons
[10:40] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: i don't think we should accept new code without bugs associated to them at this point to be honest
[10:40] <tsdgeos> if the feature is so important that it needs to get in
[10:40] <tsdgeos> i want a critical bug marked as rtm
[10:40] <tsdgeos> what do others think?
[10:40] <tsdgeos> @unity: ↑
[10:41] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hah... I bet that's the easiest thing to get (the critical bug) :D
[10:41] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: but I agree with you
[10:41] <mzanetti> this has to stop
[10:41] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, mzanetti: don't tell me
[10:41] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: who "asked" for this feature?
[10:41] <mzanetti> but in the end its kgunn to decide
[10:41] <MacSlow> mzanetti, true
[10:42] <tsdgeos> well let's convince him
[10:42] <tsdgeos> per are post feature-everything
[10:42] <mzanetti> yeah, I told him yesterday already
[10:42] <tsdgeos> we want new stuff, fine, let it be in critical bugs
[10:42] <mzanetti> and I think he had a talk with olli about it too
[10:42] <MacSlow> mzanetti, implicitly I did too :)
[10:42] <tsdgeos> i want a paper trail when people ask why we were adding features such late
[10:42] <MacSlow> with kgunn not with olli
[10:43] <mzanetti> MacSlow: so again, who asked for this feature? and when?
[10:43] <MacSlow> mzanetti, design and pat
[10:44] <MacSlow> mzanetti, around last time in London
[10:44] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: uh... I guess this is required for making the SIM pin unlock behave properly
[10:44] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: : is it? i think it's mainly for sound notifications, no?
[10:45] <MacSlow> mzanetti: synchronous-notification?! no... that's for the volume-button feedback
[10:45] <mzanetti> well, atm we have to close the SIM pin dialog and reopen it
[10:45] <mzanetti> which kills the shaking animation for instance
[10:45] <MacSlow> mzanetti, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBhxf2iQK8o
[10:46] <mzanetti> preview 21... duuude :D
[10:46] <MacSlow> mzanetti, although the visuals are of course updates now... that screencast isn't the latest
[10:46] <MacSlow> mzanetti, what?
[10:47] <MacSlow> mzanetti, 21 is the volume one...
[10:47]  * MacSlow looks again...
[10:47] <MacSlow> maybe I miss-pasted
[10:47] <mzanetti> nono... video is fine I guess
[10:47] <MacSlow> ah ok
[10:47] <mzanetti> was just wondering if the notifications have so many feature that you can actually get 21 videos out of it
[10:47] <mzanetti> I struggled with 1 for the right edge
[10:48] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: so https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/indicator-sound/synchronous-notification/+merge/229061 ?
[10:48] <MacSlow> mzanetti, I started counting very early... just take a look at preview 1 :) btw... preview != feature
[10:49] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, yeah it's basically three branches all in all
[10:49] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: and who is reviewing indicator-sound and the notifications one
[10:49] <tsdgeos> ?
[10:50] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, dednick would be the one for indicator-sound I guess
[10:50] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: then get him to do it, and address tedg's question too
[11:17] <tsdgeos> Cimi: answered/addressed comments in https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/category_view_invisible_in_preview_mode/+merge/231844
[11:25] <Cimi> Trevinho, c'e' un modo per disabilitare le gestures da unity?
[11:25] <Cimi> mouse
[11:25] <Cimi> mi apre la dash con due dita :'(((
[11:26] <Cimi> o alt tab
[11:26] <facundobatista> Holas
[11:40] <tsdgeos> MacSlow|lunch: please nominate someone to review https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/swipe-dismiss-snap-decisions/+merge/233347
[11:55] <Guest35270> MacSlow|lunch: things are changing quickly for sure, its fine to work on the vol notif, but those guys are correct in that its not top priority
[11:55] <Guest35270> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1232633
[11:56] <Guest35270> MacSlow|lunch: ...so for next 2-3 weeks priority should be on our "critical" + tag rtm14
[11:57] <Guest35270> it may mean, you don't get MP review love
[11:57] <Guest35270> on a "high"
[12:01] <MacSlow> Guest35270, ok... but it's not like I only started on that just a few days ago... for notifications, due to their architecture, make me stretch between backend, frontend and apps, which makes keeping it all tight in a timely manner very hard.
[12:02] <MacSlow> Guest35270, incoming changes beyond certain dates don't help either
[12:29] <Guest35270> MacSlow: i hear you, we're all coping...
[12:55] <Trevinho> Cimi: no... Mi pare di no, s'era discusso riguardo aggiungere la possibilità di disabilitarlo, ma per ora è hardcoded
[12:57] <MacSlow> Trevinho, dude... wrong channel I bet :)
[12:57] <Trevinho> MacSlow: no, it's just that Cimi tempts me :D
[12:58] <MacSlow> Trevinho, don't give in... resist ;)
[13:01] <tsdgeos> mterry: what do you think of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1370473 ?
[13:01] <tsdgeos> mterry: can you nominate someone to review https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/tablet-security/+merge/234219 ?
[13:02] <mterry> tsdgeos, commented
[13:03] <tsdgeos> mterry: okidoki
[13:03] <mterry> tsdgeos, you mean can I volunteer someone to review it for me?  :)  Seems mean
[13:04] <tsdgeos> mterry: well noone has voluteered by himself in almost a week and we need someone to review :D
[13:04] <tsdgeos> mterry: given we don't have Michał i'd appreciate if you know who you think would have more knowledge of the code to review it
[13:05] <tsdgeos> mterry: also i am wondering if we need to care for this at the moment
[13:05] <tsdgeos> where we are time pressed by the phone
[13:05] <tsdgeos> if this is tablet-only
[13:05] <tsdgeos> mterry: maybe we can shelve it to post rtm?
[13:06] <mterry> tsdgeos, one of the theoretical attacks there was actually a phone that plugs into a larger screen to switch to tablet mode (not even sure if that's possible right now, but just in case)
[13:06] <mterry> tsdgeos, so it's not just tablet changes
[13:06] <tsdgeos> hmpf
[13:06] <tsdgeos> ok
[13:07] <mterry> tsdgeos, (get to locked-down emergency dialer, switch to tablet mode, dialer goes to sidestage and you are in session)
[13:08] <mterry> mzanetti, do you have time to review a branch?  https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/tablet-security/+merge/234219
[13:09] <mzanetti> mterry: I started to look at it... but seems a big one. not sure how fast I'll get to it
[13:09] <mzanetti> mterry: but I'll put it on my todo
[13:09] <mzanetti> mterry: the other, with the pasphrase design, I belive that breaks some SIM pin lock stuff
[13:10] <mterry> mzanetti, guh!  does it use retryText?
[13:12] <mzanetti> mterry: yes
[13:12] <mzanetti> mterry: well, not sure if it does already.. but its supposed to at least
[13:12] <mzanetti> mterry: not sure where Wellark is with that though
[13:13] <mterry> mzanetti, I see...  I didn't see it being used in the code
[13:42] <Cimi> greyback, is the word autosuggestion box
[13:42] <Cimi> greyback, it always counts for height
[13:43] <greyback> Cimi: yeah? Ok, so OSK needs fixing to correctly calculate the visible height of the OSK
[13:43] <greyback> nice find
[13:44] <Cimi> greyback, it took me 5 mins to figure out, 2 hours to install the emulator :D
[13:44] <Cimi> greyback, thought the emulator was slower, is quite fast!
[13:44] <greyback> Cimi: emulator? Don't you have phones?
[13:44] <Cimi> greyback, yes, but I hoped the emulator was slower to highlight the issue
[13:46] <greyback> Cimi: so the autosuggest box idea is a guess, based on what you are seeing?
[13:47] <Cimi> greyback, if I disable the autosuggest and other features (simple keyboard), the blank area follows the osk
[13:47] <greyback> Cimi: ok good
[13:48] <Cimi> greyback, if I enable the autosuggest, but in some cases is disabled (wifi password), i can see that when I close the keyboard, the blank area starts from 2-3 gu more, (where the autosuggestion box is, even if is invisible)
[13:48] <Cimi> greyback, in oxide is still slow, but maybe we can do something different there
[13:49] <greyback> Cimi: check out lp:ubuntu-keyboard qml/Keyboard.qml and the reportKeyboardVisibleRect() function
[13:49] <Cimi> greyback, sure
[13:49] <Cimi> greyback, would it be possible to anchor the keyboard to application height?
[13:50] <Cimi> greyback, that way the keyboard will disappear a bit more slowly, but the issue will be completely gone
[13:50] <greyback> Cimi: possible yes. But resizing application windows is (1) slow and (2) not what every application wants
[13:50] <Cimi> greyback, oxide apparently does
[13:50] <Cimi> greyback, and is the worst case so far
[13:50] <greyback> Cimi: I can't comment on how apps do things
[13:52] <Cimi> greyback, oxide does, if you try with here maps, you see how the controls on screen move on top when the osk pops in
[13:53] <Cimi> greyback, in this case, if the application developer can decide where to anchor the osk, it might be a great workaround
[13:53] <greyback> Cimi: it's not possible right now
[13:55] <tsdgeos> mterry: i'm not sure i understand your reasoing on the LANGUAGE thing
[13:55] <tsdgeos> but i see what you have done works
[13:55] <mterry> mzanetti, so you say to be careful about the API for lockscreen, but if the notification code doesn't use the properties I change, what would be the problem?  (were we waiting to hook up replyText once the backend provided it?)
[13:55] <tsdgeos> and have a reasoning
[13:56] <tsdgeos> so i think we can just approve it :D
[13:56] <mterry> tsdgeos, what about it doesn't make sense?
[13:56] <mzanetti> mterry: yes
[13:56] <tsdgeos> mterry: it is not that it does not make sense, it's just a long sentence!
[13:56] <mterry> tsdgeos, heh
[13:56] <tsdgeos> mterry: also i'm pretty sure those worked at some point
[13:56] <tsdgeos> since we used to have that problem for some other test
[13:56] <tsdgeos> and got fixed
[13:57] <mterry> tsdgeos, huh...  I figured they got added for a reason, but following them through, it didn't seem to work
[13:57] <tsdgeos> can't really remember now what was the test that failed without them
[13:57] <Cimi> greyback, indeed, in Keyboard.qml you can see that wordRibbon is always taken into account regardless is visible or not
[13:57] <tsdgeos> let me check
[13:58] <greyback> Cimi: looking forward to your patch :)
[13:58] <Cimi> greyback, I will ping the maintainer :)
[13:59] <greyback> Cimi: dude come on, you're almost there, just write the fix and submit
[13:59] <tsdgeos> ah the time formatter test
[14:01] <mterry> tsdgeos, oh -- why were they working then without this change ...?
[14:01] <tsdgeos> mterry: because it works :D
[14:01] <tsdgeos> mterry: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/8365199/
[14:02] <tsdgeos> ahh
[14:02] <tsdgeos> but it has a
[14:02] <tsdgeos>         add_custom_target(${_test} env "LC_ALL=C" ${testCommand})
[14:03] <Cimi> greyback, it can be tricky, I have to ask them
[14:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah.. just found that myself
[14:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, right *after* trying to set DEFAULT_PROPERTIES...
[14:04] <tsdgeos> mterry: want to do something regardging that? or should i just approve?
[14:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, err, rather PROPERTIES ENVIRONMENT
[14:05] <mterry> tsdgeos, I can try to clean that up
[14:06] <tsdgeos> mterry: great :)
[14:14] <mterry> tsdgeos, what is the output of your locale?
[14:14] <mterry> i.e. running 'locale'
[14:14] <tsdgeos> mterry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8365268/
[14:14] <mterry> tsdgeos, heh, in my en_US locale, the time test didn't fail, just wanted to test that my changes work
[14:20] <mterry> tsdgeos, ah turns out that bit of code doesn't go through add_qml_test anyway.  So I only removed the unnecessary set_test_property line but kept the manual env LC_ALL=C bit
[14:21] <tsdgeos> oki
[14:25] <mterry> tsdgeos, thanks!
[14:25] <Cimi> pstolowski, do you know if any scope uses the zoomable image?
[14:31] <pstolowski> Cimi, dunno
[14:32] <cwayne> Cimi: in preview?
[14:32] <Cimi> cwayne, yes
[14:33] <om26er> Hi! are these playback controls coming from Unity8 ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1370129/+attachment/4205411/+files/sound.png
[14:49] <tsdgeos> josharenson: so you said you had issues with unity8 on the desktop?
[15:00] <josharenson> tsdgeos, yeah I can't seem to get the settings app to open
[15:00] <josharenson> its also taking a much longer amount of time than usual to launch the shell
[15:00] <tsdgeos> josharenson: in the destkop from unity8?
[15:00] <josharenson> yes
[15:00] <tsdgeos> we've never had that working afaik
[15:00] <josharenson> ah
[15:01]  * josharenson reads bug again
[15:01] <tsdgeos> or have we?
[15:01] <tsdgeos> josharenson: wait wait, is it unity8 as the shell or unity8 run as app in another shell?
[15:01] <josharenson> does the store work?
[15:01] <josharenson> as app
[15:03] <josharenson> so check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir/+bug/1354564
[15:03] <josharenson> and I'm trying to follow steps in #13
[15:19] <Cimi> cwayne, so?
[17:57] <alecu> Cimi: mzanetti: kgunn_: hi! in saviq's absence, who is coordinating landings in unity8? We got a fix for an annoying bug in Payments that we'd like to land soon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1362622
[18:01] <kgunn_> alecu: so mzanetti has a silo up, do you have a reviewed/approved/tested branch ? or does it still need to go thru the review cycle ?
[18:02] <alecu> kgunn_: dobey made the branch, I reviewed and tested on my mako with devel-proposed. Since it's a branch for unity8 saviq usually does a review too.
[18:03] <mzanetti> alecu: ah ok, I'll put it on my todo
[18:03] <alecu> kgunn_: mzanetti: I don't mind being added as lander and doing the testing of this feature on both devel-proposed and rtm
[18:04] <mzanetti> alecu: ok. I'll put it into the next silo and let you know
[18:04] <alecu> mzanetti: great, thanks.
[23:56] <josharenson> what is the correct way to install unity-notifications?
[23:57]  * josharenson trying make install like I should have before asking... doh


[06:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/what-should-you-expect-from-the-gnome-3-20-desktop-environment-502064.shtml
[09:13] <lotus|xenial> my new xenial shot: http://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-598369242
[09:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:22] <lotus|xenial> hey lordievader
[09:23] <lordievader> Hey lotus|xenial, how are you?
[09:24] <lotus|xenial> lordievader: fine, updating and fooling around in xenial
[09:24] <lotus|xenial> new gnome-software lookin neat
[09:27] <lordievader> Hmm, it is still gnome :P
[09:28] <lotus|xenial> its more lightweight then software center
[09:28] <lotus|xenial> so thats a good thing
[09:41] <lotus|xenial> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[09:56] <lotus|xenial> lotuspsychje@ROOTBOX:~$ uname -a
[09:56] <lotus|xenial> Linux ROOTBOX 4.4.0-15-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:08:31 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[12:48] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:50] <l0tus|Xenial> hey BluesKaj
[12:55] <BluesKaj> hey l0tus|Xenial
[12:56] <BluesKaj> nick change , for a change ? :-)
[12:56] <l0tus|Xenial> BluesKaj, thats on my xenial desktop upstairs :p
[12:57] <l0tus|Xenial> BluesKaj, http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-598369242
[12:58] <BluesKaj>  just use BluesKaj_ , on the laptop, the old pc needs resurrecting , but I suspect the mobo is cooked
[12:58] <l0tus|Xenial> ouch
[12:59] <BluesKaj> it's been 3 yrs, gasthering dust in the storeroom
[13:01] <BluesKaj> might give it another try, but it's pretty old , 2006, single core 64bit amd cpu , 2G Ram
[13:02] <l0tus|Xenial> sure give it some ubuntu magic :p
[13:05] <BluesKaj> I did, but it stopped booting anyway, the hdd is ok, so is the cdrom, but a live kubuntu dvd won't even boot , the boot doesn't reach the post screen
[13:05] <l0tus|Xenial> BluesKaj, give it a cmos clear perhaps, 5min jumper reset, take out battery
[13:06] <BluesKaj> yes I've tried those , think the cmos is the problem
[13:10] <TJ-> do you see any BIOS messages?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> no
[13:10] <l0tus|Xenial> bep codes?
[13:11] <TJ-> is that regardless of what you try to boot from - just from start-up? That'd suggest to me maybe some electrolytic capacitor's have faded
[13:11] <BluesKaj> was trying to set it up as an NAS and I may have mucked up the CMOS by my own doing , but i'm not sure
[13:11] <TJ-> Either on the mobo in the CPU's power regulator circuitry, or in the ATX PSU
[13:14] <BluesKaj> TJ-, yes I recall some beepcodes, but don't remember the sequence
[13:19] <BluesKaj> the pc is mostly cannabalized for pci soundcard and nvidia gpu pci and the cdromand hdd drive got swapped into this pc due to failure of the cdrom., and the old wd160 is now connected in this pc with W7 on it :-)
[13:20] <BluesKaj> this pc still has a couple of IDE connections on the mobo
[13:22] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/tomb-raider-adventure-game-is-coming-soon-to-linux-ported-by-feral-interactive-502082.shtml
[15:57] <dax> lotuspsychje: valid values for "gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position" are Left and Bottom, no Right?
[15:57]  * dax factoiding
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> dax: correct
[15:57] <dax> thanks
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> dax: like my screen :p ?
[15:57] <dax> yep :)
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> dax: article: http://news.softpedia.com/news/it-s-official-ubuntu-16-04-lts-now-lets-you-move-the-unity-launcher-to-bottom-501932.shtml
[16:00] <dax> 15:59 <+dax> !movelauncher is <reply> To move the Unity launcher to the bottom of the screen in 16.04+, run `gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom`. To move it to the left, run the same command with Left instead. For older Ubuntu versions, see https://askubuntu.com/questions/33605/can-i-move-the-unity-launcher
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> dax: i presume on final 16.04, it will be a system setting also
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> perhaps in appreance settings
[16:02] <dax> hopefully. will update instructions if/when i see it
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> ok
[16:02] <dax> 16.04 seems like a good time to go through and fix factoids, i might do that if i have time
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> gnome-software already lookin very neat also on xenial
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> dax: tnx for adjusting the triggers
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> hi EriC^^
[16:57] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[16:57] <EriC^^> what's up?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: how you like this: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-598369242
[16:58] <EriC^^> chkin
[16:58] <EriC^^> nice
[16:58] <EriC^^> looks good
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:59] <EriC^^> :D
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> gnome-software getting in great shape also
[17:00] <EriC^^> cool
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[21:30] <nicomachus> booooo. no ppa update for indicator-sysmonitor yet.


[07:43] <doko> both the chromium and the firefox snaps don't start in 23.04, when started from the dock. starting them from the command line does work, however the placement / size isn't restored
[09:35] <ginggs> doko: i saw something like that recently, but thought it was fixed in gnome-shell 44.0-2ubuntu2
[14:57] <nteodosio> Can I please have this triggered? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=bionic&arch=i386&package=chromium-browser&ppa=canonical-chromium-builds/stage&trigger=chromium-browser/112.0.5615.49-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:01] <ginggs> nteodosio: .
[15:01] <nteodosio> Thanks ginggs!
[15:01] <vorlon> mariogrip: uhm did you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~zhsj/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+git/dpkg/+merge/435646?  It would be nice if such things were left to the Foundations Team (who were the requested reviewer)
[15:01] <zhsj> vorlon: no
[15:01] <vorlon> ah ok
[15:02] <zhsj> i see it's under my active review list, but it's already uploaded, so i change it to merged
[15:02] <vorlon> aha
[15:02] <vorlon> so the change was merged into the archive but not using git-ubuntu, therefore the MP was dangling
[15:03] <zhsj> actually the log is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/2002582
[15:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2002582 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "Disabling lto does not work as it should on lunar" [Undecided, Fix Released]
[16:17] <nteodosio> ginggs, how does one link a bug to https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20230324-lunar-lunar.html?
[16:17] <nteodosio> I.e., so that it shows up on the "bug" column
[16:20] <ginggs> nteodosio: you can tag the bug 'ftbfs'
[16:22] <nteodosio> Thank you!
[17:04] <bdmurray> orndorffgrant: Would you mind updating your LP page with your IRC nick? More seriously do you want to add a changelog to your update-manager MP?
[18:49] <seb128> ginggs, hey, could you give a retry to ayatana-indicator-messages and indicator-messages on the lunar test rebuild archive?
[20:45] <ginggs> seb128: .
[20:51] <seb128> ginggs, thanks!
[22:48] <tillkamppeter> Hi, any core-dev around here? I would like to have the upload of libppd 2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1 sponsored: bug 2015938
[22:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2015938 in libppd (Ubuntu) "Sponsor upload for libppd 2.0~rc1-0ubuntu1" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015938


[14:41] <ro> !edubuntu
[14:43] <ro> 07:52:31 < ubot5`> In #ubuntu-discuss, lotuspsychje said: !edubuntu is <reply> delete please, eol
[14:43]  * ro ponders
[14:43] <ro> !mythbuntu
[14:44] <ro> !-edubuntu
[14:44] <ro> !edubuntu =~ s/is/was/
[14:44]  * ro shrugs
[14:44] <ro> i guess i could also
[14:45] <ro> !edubuntu =~ s/institutions./institutions. Its most recent release was Edubuntu 14.04, which is now !EOL./
[14:45] <ro> !edubuntu


[02:28] <Ziroday> Hi, I am having some trouble with the Image Creator when I create a Fset
[02:31] <Ziroday> You can see a pastebin of the error here http://pastebin.com/m18c25ef5
[12:19] <rx5720> hi everyone...
[12:19] <dns53> hi
[12:19] <rx5720> is it possible to port ubuntu mobile or embedded to an ipaq rx5720
[12:21] <dns53> well that is a different cpu architecture, ubuntu-mobile is for the intel ume platform but there is no reason why you could not port it
[12:22] <dns53> ubuntu-mibile uses a 386 compatible cpu from what i can see
[12:22] <rx5720> because i have many problems running opie on haret
[12:22] <rx5720> it crashes every time
[12:24] <dns53> well ubuntu-mobile is basically a port of the gnome-moblie/moblin platform which has links to the n800 and neo 1973 so it should be portable
[12:26] <rx5720> has anyone ever tried to port it to a samsung s3c2442 processor?
[12:27] <dns53> well i'm not a developer, i don't know
[13:15] <slytherin> is anyone planning to package latest telepathy-stream-engine (0.5) ?
[19:55] <krychek> hi, will ubuntu mobile be ported to arm architecture so i can run it on my fujitsu n560 pda? :|
[20:04] <davmor2> krychek: reading the docs not at the moment.
[20:05] <krychek> ? youre not reading the docs at the moment?
[20:12] <davmor2> no
[20:13] <davmor2> krychek: At the moment the docs say not.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ
[20:14] <krychek> yes ive read that.. i thought someone has same inside info here :)
[20:43] <lool> No ARM port planned yet
[21:18] <krychek> too bad :( most pdas have arm
[21:33] <The_PHP_Jedi> :(
[21:34] <The_PHP_Jedi> PDAs need a linux distro that's at least semi-actively developed, since Familiar Linux hasn't really been alive for a while, and it doesn't run quite well on most modern PDAs.
[21:34] <The_PHP_Jedi> an ARM port of UME would be great. :)
[22:25] <krychek> wont canonical invest some money to make some arm mobile ubuntu?
[22:26] <krychek> i dont like windows mobile.. :/


[07:06] <pust> When i try to load  the disk on my laptop is gives me this screen that says "preparing to restrict drivers then it stops at Configuring networking interfaces. what do i do
[07:07] <pust> i have a picture if needed
[07:07] <pust> hello
[07:12] <pust> hello
[07:17] <ash211> hello pust
[07:17] <ash211> as /topic says, this channel isn't for support
[07:17] <ash211> that's probably why you're not getting much response here!
[07:17] <ash211> try on #ubuntu
[07:18] <pust> k
[07:18] <ash211> if you're still having problems, file a bug at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[07:18] <ash211> good luck there :)
[07:19] <pust> thanks
[04:57] <ryeth25> what's this channel mainly for?  cause i have ubuntu installed on my laptop
[04:57] <ryeth25> channel list says it's not for support?
[04:59] <pwnguin> its for lurking
[04:59] <pwnguin> the only conversations ive seen here are support oriented
[05:00] <ryeth25> how can you do that when nobody's really talking?
[05:00] <ryeth25> just sit here and watch blank?
[05:00] <pwnguin> i guess.
[05:00] <ryeth25> haha ok
[05:14] <tobemaster> hi
[05:16] <tobemaster> my dell latitude (1,8ghz 512mb ram) works fine with ubuntu, but my ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]  gfx card won't work with direct rendering and i cant configure the vga port
[05:17] <tobemaster> ubuntu 7.04
[05:20] <tobemaster> and xorg 1:7.2-0ubuntu11
[05:58] <tobemaster> can anybody help me?
[06:16] <Nailor> hi yuriy
[06:17] <yuriy> hi Nailor
[06:20] <Nailor> How's your laptop? :)
[06:25] <yuriy> Nailor: wireless doesn't come back after sleep and wired doesn't work if it's not plugged in during boot :(
[06:25] <yuriy> but other than that all's good
[06:27] <Nailor> You propably can wake up wired using ethtool
[06:27] <Nailor> sudo ethtool -s eth2 speed 100 duplex full
[06:28] <Nailor> At least that's done the trick for me
[06:30] <yuriy> Nailor: thanks i'll try that
[06:30] <Nailor> If the syntax isn't right, you'll propably figure it using manpage =)


[00:52] <shak83> hola
[00:52] <shak83> hay alguien
[00:53] <guiverc> shak83, if you have a Lubuntu support question, ask it (try and keep to a single line, and be patient, people will respond when they can)
[00:54] <shak83> guiverc: not ingles
[00:54] <wxl> !es
[00:55] <wxl> ^ o #lubuntu-es
[16:07] <hopelesslystupid> Hello?    That's the one!
 @hopelesslystupid [<hopelesslystupid> Yeah!  That's the one!], Good pic!
 Typee..
 hopelesslydtupid: well.. this is a support group for lubuntu and not for firejail. but if the issue is lubuntu related, We might be able to help. Tell us what you are facing.
 *hopelesslystupid
[16:15] <hopelesslystupid> Oh, sorry...well as the name suggests I'm not the brightest...well the issue is I installed Firejail through the terminal and I'm trying to get a LTS version of it but on it's site all the LTS filenames have "amd" in them, does that mean I can't use them if I have an intel processor?  Sorry for asking in the wrong chat...
 If you have a 64-bit system, you can use them. The "amd" part is "amd64" actually, implies to a 64-bit processor.
[16:20] <hopelesslystupid> Oh ok.  Awesome thank you very much I appreciate your help
 Welcome!
[23:23] <bunicrin> opa


[01:15] <somedude> Does xubuntu work for windows 8? I have the CD in and it's not recognizing it as anything.
[01:22] <GridCube> !uefi
[01:22] <GridCube> great
[01:23] <GridCube> somedude, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[03:40] <OnAMac> Does anyone know if xubuntu will boot on a mac?
[03:41] <Al3x4nd3r> como estan camaradas
[03:41] <Al3x4nd3r> una pregunta
[03:41] <Al3x4nd3r> que nesesito para ejecutar un archivo
[03:41] <OnAMac> I'm trying to get the LiveCD to boot on a mac.
[03:41] <Al3x4nd3r> soy nuevo en linux
[03:41] <Al3x4nd3r> instale xubuntu
[03:41] <Al3x4nd3r> y nesesito ayuda
[03:41] <OnAMac> No entiendo
[03:41] <Al3x4nd3r> bueni mira
[03:41] <Al3x4nd3r> instake xubuntu
[03:42] <Al3x4nd3r> pero en youtube no puedo ver video
[03:42] <Al3x4nd3r> por el flash player
[03:42] <Al3x4nd3r> me lo baje
[03:42] <Al3x4nd3r> pero no se que usar para instalarlo
[03:42] <Al3x4nd3r> ocmoo como instalarlo
[03:42] <Al3x4nd3r> para que funcione
[03:42] <Al3x4nd3r> el flash player
[03:43] <Unit193> !es
[03:43] <Al3x4nd3r> no se si me falta un gestor de archivos o con que aplicancion ejecutarlos repito soy nuevo  en linux
[03:43] <Al3x4nd3r> tgrasias
[03:43] <Al3x4nd3r> amigo
[03:45] <Al3x4nd3r> lastiima que nadie contesta
[03:45] <Al3x4nd3r> jaja
[04:51] <random417> hi guys, I've got a question or 2 for someone... I'm trying to go with a clean install of xubuntu, but there are a few things I want to keep...
[04:52] <random417> I'm trying to keep stuff like music and stuff, but I don't have seperate partitions, and one of the reasons I decided to do this is I can't seem to download packages anymore
[04:52] <random417> Is this possible?
[04:54] <XRS1> save your home folder
[04:55] <XRS1> /home/%username% is where all that stuff is. you can save that to disk, remote location or whatever
[04:55] <random417> do I have to create a new partition for it then?
[04:56] <XRS1> in the future you will want to do
[04:56] <XRS1> that*
[04:56] <random417> yeah, I read that when I was researching this... so there's no way to create a partition on the fly to dump it into?
[04:57] <XRS1> for now your kind of in a pickle.. you can use a live disk to erase all files and folders except /home (CTRL + H to show hidden stuff)
[04:57] <XRS1> you could resize the partition and put it there
[04:57] <XRS1> that could take a while
[04:58] <XRS1> depending on how much data n free space, that might be the fastest way
[04:59] <XRS1> gparted -> resize current partition then create a new one and copy /home/*
[04:59] <random417> I don't have gparted, and synaptic isn't working for some reason
[05:00] <XRS1> oh yeah... they remove that by default i forgot.. (i've been bitching about that)
[05:00] <random417> seems like anything that needs a password isn't working
[05:00] <XRS1> make a live USB or DVD/CD that will have gparted
[05:00] <random417> I haven't tried by command line yet, hang on
[05:01] <random417> that'll work, I've got the one I'm gonna use for the install, thanks
[05:01] <XRS1> yup
[05:02] <XRS1> hey you might be able to help me
[05:03] <random417> how's that?
[05:04] <XRS1> when you installing, come in and let me know if there is an on screen keyboard
[05:04] <random417> there wasn't the last install I did, but I'll look,  when I get to it
[05:05] <XRS1> k
[05:05] <random417> I've gotta make my re-download list real quick
[05:05] <random417> also, does gparted ask for a password to run?
[05:06] <XRS1> yeah
[05:06] <XRS1> but not in the live installer
[05:06] <random417> nothing that asks for a password is running, although I did manage to download it through command line
[05:06] <random417> I was hoping to repartition from here, but I guess not
[05:07] <XRS1> if you cant sudo or su, yeah you need a live disk
[05:07] <XRS1> i've been there
[05:07] <random417> there we go, if I launch through terminal, it works
[05:25] <tecsun> hi
[05:25] <XRS1> hi
[05:25] <tecsun> I'm new to xubuntu.
[05:26] <XRS1> welcome
[05:26] <tecsun> I'm trying to do link aggregation with PowerConnect 6224 now. But can't get it work.
[05:27] <tecsun> running on ubuntu 12.10
[05:27] <XRS1> whats going on? no connectivity?
[05:27] <tecsun> I can get the bonding up and running, but can't ping to router and other workstation on the same network mask
[05:28] <XRS1> O_o
[05:29] <XRS1> im not personally familiar with the device. best i can do is refur you to them:  https://marketing.dell.com/le-contact-dell-pp
[05:30] <tecsun> I see.. ok.. will try to get in touch with them. but could it be the problem inside my ubuntu?
[05:30] <tecsun> I check the bonding by going into /proc/net/bonding/
[05:31] <tecsun> and from there I see all are up... is that correct way to check the bonding?
[05:31] <tecsun> I'm afraid I did not configure it properly since I"m quite new to Ubuntu
[05:32] <XRS1> out of the box, if it connected, its working. but you might try the forums. im not exactly the most qualified to help
[05:33] <tecsun> I see.. alright, will try forum. Anyway, thanks a lot
[06:25] <crazyzurfer> Since I installed Xubuntu, I cant execute .sh files by double clicking them :S
[06:26] <heoyea_> enable permissions
[06:30] <crazyzurfer> heoyea_: already did that (perimission +x)
[06:30] <XRS1> right click and allow running in terminal?
[06:30] <crazyzurfer> When I right click, appears execute, nothing happens
[06:31] <XRS1> the app does require elevated permission?
[06:31] <XRS1> doesn't*
[06:31] <crazyzurfer> nope
[06:31] <crazyzurfer> before installing xubuntu It worked
[06:32] <crazyzurfer> i mean with normal ubuntu
[06:32] <laite> crazyzurfer: are they on external, mounted volume? are you sure that it's set with 'exec' property in fstab
[06:32] <laite> ^ this is what I battled with at some point for a long time :P
[06:32] <crazyzurfer> laite: nope, they aren't... what is fstab?
[06:33] <laite> oh, if you don't know, you propably needn't to meddle with it; it's an automatic mount file for systems on bootup
[06:33] <crazyzurfer> but it's not exteral
[06:33] <crazyzurfer> it's in my documents folder
[06:36] <crazyzurfer> it works if I use the terminal window sudo bash filename.sh
[06:37] <XRS1> hmm... hes right, havent messed with it but my 12.10 isnt launching them either
[06:38] <crazyzurfer> On ubuntu it works good, but in xubuntu, it doesn't
[06:38] <crazyzurfer> pretty weird
[06:38] <crazyzurfer> XRS1: so.. it seems as an OS bug?
[06:39] <XRS1> xfce bug, im running Ubuntu Studio
[06:55] <XRS1> your not running live?
[06:55] <XRS1> mine wont exec because my hard drive is USB
[06:56] <XRS1> zequence in #ubuntustudio might be able to help
[07:05] <crazyzurfer> XRS1: I'm not :/
[07:06] <heoyea_> ?
[07:08] <heoyea_> oh a sudo script?
[07:08] <heoyea_> wont run unless u have root
[07:08] <XRS1> .sh files only exec from shell not from mouseclick
[07:08] <XRS1> no sudo req.
[07:09] <heoyea_> u can run it from a mouse click also
[07:09] <heoyea_> u just wont see it
[07:09] <heoyea_> it will in the background process
[07:10] <heoyea_> but thats usually not how u run a script
[07:10] <XRS1> no its supposed to exec with gui
[07:11] <heoyea_> depends on the script
[07:11] <XRS1> but its crazyzurfer  with the issue. mines fine i just need to modify fstab
[07:11] <crazyzurfer> heoyea_: Ubuntu runs the script by opening the terminal and executing it (I see when it happens)
[07:12] <crazyzurfer> but xubuntu doesn't
[07:12] <crazyzurfer> heoyea_: is that normal?
[07:12] <heoyea_> crazyzurfer: depends on ur file manager
[07:13] <heoyea_> some has the popup to give u options some dont
[07:13] <heoyea_> but if is a script with permission
[07:13] <heoyea_> it will execute in the background
[07:13] <crazyzurfer> which file manager does ubuntu uses?, changes the default file manager with xubuntu?
[07:13] <heoyea_> uses nautilus
[07:14] <heoyea_> xfce uses thunar
[07:14] <XRS1> xubuntu should be using thunar i thought
[07:14] <XRS1> 12.04.1 worked fine
[07:14] <XRS1> oh wait... i keep forgetting my HDD is USB  >_<
[07:15] <heoyea_> doesnt matter wat ur hdd is
[07:16] <crazyzurfer> heoyea_: Thanks, that was usefull. Why does xubuntu uses tunar instead of nautilus?
[07:16] <heoyea_> yea
[07:16] <crazyzurfer> do you know why?
[07:16] <XRS1> thunar is lightweight
[07:16] <XRS1> xubuntu is a lightweight distro
[07:17] <heoyea_> nautilus is made for Gnome
[07:17] <heoyea_> but u can install it on xfce also if u wish
[07:18] <heoyea_> not sure why u going to all of this just for a script
[07:18] <XRS1> quick access
[07:19] <XRS1> "all this" = he just asked
[07:19] <heoyea_> quick access would be to use a terminal
[07:19] <heoyea_> like guake
[07:20] <XRS1> i like clicking on icons sometimes
[07:21] <heoyea_> try out a drop down terminal
[07:21] <heoyea_> then ull be faster
[07:23] <XRS1> once again, this issue is not mine
[07:23] <XRS1> but i agree, he should be able to double click n run an app if he wants
[07:23] <XRS1> script
[07:24] <heoyea_> his script is running just without a terminal
[07:24] <crazyzurfer> he knows
[07:24] <crazyzurfer> lol
[07:24] <crazyzurfer> he understands me
[07:25] <crazyzurfer> heoyea_: any way to run it but with terminal? because the scritp asks me some things to run, and I need to tell it the parameters
[07:25] <heoyea_> i dont know what ur script does
[07:26] <heoyea_> if u want to run arguments
[07:26] <heoyea_> u have to write it into the script
[07:27] <heoyea_> especially if ur gonna run it with a double click
[07:27] <crazyzurfer> yup, that's why I need to see the terminal window
[07:27] <crazyzurfer> and sometimes I've to run the script fast, so.. I've it in the desktop
[07:28] <heoyea_> yea then u can tell ur script to open a terminal
[07:28] <crazyzurfer> if i want to execute it fast by using the terminal I have to go to the folder (cd), then executing it with sudo bash... and it's slower than double clicking it in the desktop
[07:28] <crazyzurfer> heoyea_: how can I do that
[07:28] <heoyea_> lols
[07:28] <heoyea_> nah man learn how to use bashrc
[07:29] <heoyea_> then ull c is super fast
[07:29] <heoyea_> no wonder u think is slow
[07:29] <heoyea_> cuz u doing it manually
[07:30] <heoyea_> go learn bashrc, bash alias and functions
[07:30] <heoyea_> is pretty easy
[07:41] <crazyzurfer> I dont want the script to execute everytime I log in
[07:41] <Maccer> Hrm? What's going on?
[07:41] <baizon> crazyzurfer: put it into session and startup
[07:41] <Maccer> Do you want the script to execute under a certain condition?
[07:42] <Maccer> (I have no context)
[07:42] <crazyzurfer> I DON'T want to execute it everytime I log in
[07:42] <baizon> crazyzurfer: a ok
[07:42] <baizon> then when?
[07:43] <crazyzurfer> Maccer: nope, I want the terminal to appear when I double click on a bash file using tunar --> it works using nautilus (default file manager in ubuntu -- Tunar is from xubuntu)
[07:44] <crazyzurfer> because as heoyea said it executes but in background
[07:45] <Maccer> Oh I see. Not sure if that's in thunar, let me see if I can find out.
[07:46] <Maccer> At first glance, I would have left it out by design, but then I realized it could behave like Windows made it.
[07:46] <Maccer> You also want it to execute silently, no?
[07:47] <crazyzurfer> nope
[07:47] <crazyzurfer> I want to see the terminal window
[07:48] <Maccer> Gotcha. Let me see if I can find something to reproduce it with.
[07:48] <crazyzurfer> I you open nautilus and double click it.. it asks if you want to run it in a terminal window, and it opens the terminal windows and executes the file
[07:49] <crazyzurfer> but thunar doesn't appear to be doing anything, doesn't even ask. Heoyea says the script starts but in background (silent)
[07:50] <Maccer> Well, if you want a fancy friendly UI, that could require a script. :P
[07:50] <Maccer> But just executing the script by double clicking on it is possible.
[07:51] <Maccer> I got it to work without a fancy UI by setting "Terminal Emulator" (which is just exo-open)
[07:51] <Maccer> But you still need to chmod +x your file.
[07:51] <Maccer> (Or give it executable permission)
[07:52] <Maccer> If you can't find terminal emulator, just use custom command and add: "exo-open"
[07:52] <crazyzurfer> Don't know if you understood me
[07:52] <crazyzurfer> I already gave it +x permission
[07:52] <crazyzurfer> works good with nautilus
[07:52] <Maccer> Yeah, and I'm telling you how I got it to work on Thunar just now.
[07:53] <crazyzurfer> I've got a script on desktop
[07:53] <crazyzurfer> ah
[07:53] <crazyzurfer> yeah
[07:53] <crazyzurfer> background
[07:53] <Maccer> The terminal also exits when the script is finished if you like that behavior.
[07:54] <crazyzurfer> I want the terminal to open and execute my script, the same as how it works in nautilus
[07:54] <crazyzurfer> by double clicking it on the folder
[07:55] <Maccer> Oh, so you probably want it open after the results... hrm, wait.
[07:56] <crazyzurfer> nope
[07:56] <crazyzurfer> before
[07:56] <crazyzurfer> because I've to give it the parameters and I cant if I don't see the terminal window
[07:57] <crazyzurfer> exo open migth work
[07:57] <crazyzurfer> how can I do that
[07:57] <Maccer> Ah no I was asking if you wanted it to be alive after the script finished.
[07:58] <crazyzurfer> Aps
[07:58] <crazyzurfer> so... Do you know what could I do?
[07:58] <crazyzurfer> or what I want to do
[07:58] <Maccer> Right click on a .sh script -> Open with -> Other Application -> Find an app. called: "Terminal Emulator" (not the same as Terminal) -> Check Use as default for this kind of file -> Open
[08:00] <crazyzurfer> okay, that seems better
[08:00] <crazyzurfer> but doesn't work when I double click it
[08:01] <crazyzurfer> I works by right click, open with -> terminal emulator
[08:01] <crazyzurfer> almost now I've that option
[08:01] <Maccer> Did you check "Use as default for this kind of file"?
[08:01] <Maccer> Hrm, second...
[08:01] <Maccer> I seem to be getting that issue too.
[08:01] <crazyzurfer> yup
[08:02] <Guest87327> Say, I have been searching for some esoteric tools for remapping my keyboard in linux and have not really found anyway, perhaps someone can help
[08:02] <Guest87327> any way you can make linux register key A being pressed when I depress a key, and key B when I release it?
[08:02] <Guest87327> where A and B are any keys really
[08:03] <Guest87327> its something I used to do in windows with glovepie, very handy for some applications.
[08:03] <crazyzurfer> Maccer: It's okay, with this I'm happy :).. I haven't sleep,  It's 5 AM here and I'm very tired
[08:03] <Maccer> That's something we (I'm not part of the team) or XFCE, probably can't handle.
[08:03] <crazyzurfer> Maccer: Thanks!
[08:03] <Maccer> Guest87327: You'd have to check out some IRC channel, ##linux, or X11 forums for xinput configuration.
[08:04] <Guest87327> at this point google is failing me. Thanks, I will give those a shot.
[08:04] <heoyea_> remap to a diff key?
[08:04] <Guest87327> well, not just a straight remap
[08:05] <Maccer> Frankly they probably won't know much either, unless there's an Xlib/X11 pro in the channel.
[08:05] <Guest87327> yes, its kind of complicated in windows as well, I only found out how to do it from a few people who liked making macros for games.
[08:05] <Maccer> Key binding for key release and press is uncommon as Guest87327
[08:05] <Maccer> pointed out.
[08:06] <Maccer> Oh, well... maybe you'd need something of a macro program of some sort to do that for you too.
[08:06] <heoyea_> wat is the question then
[08:06] <heoyea_> making a macro?
[08:06] <Guest87327> yeah, and if it does not exist I am open to writing it.
[08:06] <Maccer> Summary: "How do I bind a command/script/whatever to a key, but only at a specific event like press/release."
[08:06] <Guest87327> but making a full program before checking if someone else has tried it would be a little inefficient :p
[08:07] <Maccer> With a question mark appended, of course.
[08:07] <Maccer> I think there's a python key binding library, maybe you'd like to use that.
[08:07] <heoyea_> nah
[08:07] <heoyea_> u dont need python
[08:08] <heoyea_> theres actually a cli apps
[08:08] <heoyea_> to do it
[08:08] <heoyea_> let me check the name
[08:08] <Guest87327> thank you
[08:08] <Maccer> If it can do custom actions while distinguishing PRESS/RELEASE specifically then I'd be surprised.
[08:09] <heoyea_> yea is called xte
[08:09] <heoyea_> part of the xautomation package
[08:09] <heoyea_> u can do something like this
[08:09] <heoyea_> xte 'keydown Control_L' 'keydown Alt_L' 'key D' 'keyup Control_L' 'keyup Alt_L'
[08:09] <heoyea_> if thats wat u mean
[08:10] <Guest87327> hmm, how did I not find that. I will see if it can work
[08:10] <heoyea_> hehe
[08:10] <heoyea_> well i know this cuz i used b4
[08:10] <Guest87327> actually, once I started searching for macros stuff showed up. I was just looking under the wrong phrases.
[08:11] <heoyea_> theres also xdotool
[08:11] <heoyea_> think i does the same stuff
[08:12] <heoyea_> making a cheat for games?
[08:12] <heoyea_> lols
[08:13] <Guest87327> nah, some other programs
[08:13] <heoyea_> in windows i uses macro express
[08:13] <heoyea_> was a simple gui
[08:13] <Guest87327> I don't really play games much, and starcraft is not the best game to cheat at with macros.
[08:14] <heoyea_> yea u can make it pump the units
[08:14] <heoyea_> but still u need skills to win
[08:15] <Guest87327> I would honestly just find scripts distracting, starcraft uses so many keys and combinations already. Adding some more highly specific functionality would not make me better unless it would to something really great like spread my units out.
[08:15] <Guest87327> and anyway, cheating ftl, right?
[08:16] <heoyea_> just depends on what u cheating
[09:05] <VividReality> Hey there, is it a known issue that Skype 4.1 and Spotify for Linux can't be installed at the same time?
[09:11] <VividReality> I can't find anything on google
[10:27] <killer> is there any tool like gnome-core-devel for xfce4
[15:55] <chaosmonkey417> Hi, so I've got a question for someone... I'm debating a fresh xubuntu install, I've currently got vanilla ubuntu 11.10, with lots of the xubuntu stuff kind of kludged on, figure it'll run smoother
[15:56] <chaosmonkey417> the problem, is I always try a new release out on a live cd (well, usb) before I install, and my touchpad doesn't work under the live drive, so I'm wary of installing and loosing touchpad support
[15:56] <chaosmonkey417> it's a toshiba nb505, and it SHOULD be supported, but...
[16:04] <TheSheep> chaosmonkey417: if it doesn't work on the livecd, there is a high chance that it won't when installed, so you'd better find a fix for that before installing
[16:04] <nantou> i need tips to bind several jpg files into a big pdf file
[16:07] <TheSheep> nantou: I think you can convert to pdf with imagemagick or ghostscript and then join them with pdfunite
[16:08] <chaosmonkey417> I figured that, it looks like it isn't detected at all, when I run xinput list under my current system, it lists ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad         	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[16:08] <chaosmonkey417> but under the live cd, nothing that remotely looks like a touchpad
[16:09] <chaosmonkey417> I'd have to log out and back in under it to get a full reading
[16:09] <chaosmonkey417> thoughts on where to start?
[16:16] <chaosmonkey417> or does someone need the 'xinput list' output under the live cd?
[16:34] <qasim> hi all
[16:39] <qasim> TheSheep, i changed the settings of alsa mixer..i can record clips now through voice recorder....still there is  mic settings problem when i try to skype...
[16:39] <qasim> should i reinstall skype?
[16:40] <TheSheep> qasim: resinstalling will not help
[16:41] <TheSheep> maybe there is some info on the wiki, hmm
[16:41] <TheSheep> !skype
[16:41] <qasim> right
[16:41] <qasim> let me chk
[16:41] <qasim> thx
[16:41] <TheSheep> qasim: see 'selecting microphone' at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SkypeTroubleshooting
[16:41] <qasim> okay..
[16:42] <TheSheep> (except xubuntu already has pavucontrol installed)
[17:04] <chaosmonkey417> hmmmm.... not to be rude, but bump :)
[17:04] <chaosmonkey417> ubuntu 11.10 touchpad works fine, but under xubuntu 12.04 live disk, no touchpad.
[17:07] <chaosmonkey417> oh, sorry, I forgot, I settled on the 12.10
[17:13] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: your touchpad doesnt work?
[17:13] <chaosmonkey417> yeah
[17:14] <chaosmonkey417> works under my current install, vanilla ubuntu 11.10, but running the livecd of xubuntu 12.10, absolutely nothing
[17:14] <holstein> i would look for and apply all upgrades..
[17:15] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: if it used to work, there is a decent chance you can reimplement support for it
[17:16] <chaosmonkey417> the upgrades don't seem to want to install under the live disk, and I'm kinda afraid to install until I know it'll work
[17:17] <chaosmonkey417> is there something I have to do to allow the installs on the flash drive? will I need to set it up again?
[17:17] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: i wouldnt live in fear.. its a computer after all.. backup your current install and/or data... that hard disk *will* fail, so creating a proper backup is nt a waste of time.. then install 12.04 or 12.10 and test
[17:17] <chaosmonkey417> fair enough
[17:17] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: on the flash drive?
[17:17] <chaosmonkey417> I wanted to get it working on the flash drive before I installed
[17:18] <holstein> working on the fash drive?
[17:18] <chaosmonkey417> I don't have much important on here, but I can't back it up, so I wanted to be sure that it worked first
[17:18] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: you have a usb flash drive? or an sd card? or a interinal ssd?
[17:18] <holstein> internal*
[17:18] <chaosmonkey417> usb
[17:18] <holstein> you can install to  whatver you choose
[17:18] <holstein> sometimes i take the hard drive out so i dont "mess it up"
[17:19] <chaosmonkey417> the plan, once it's working is to dual boot, then move the files over to the new os, and repartition
[17:19] <chaosmonkey417> I screwed up and didn't make a /home partition
[17:19] <holstein> you only need to copy that data somewhere
[17:20] <holstein> having a seperate /home is convenient.. not mandatory
[17:21] <chaosmonkey417> I don't have any other storage other than this lappy though, so I'll need a seperate partition so as to not loose everything with the fresh install, yes?
[17:25] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: the hard drives you are using *will* fail.. and you will lose whatever is not backed up at that time
[17:26] <holstein> having your /home on a separate driver or partition doesnt make this loss of data less impending
[17:26] <holstein> drive*
[17:26] <chaosmonkey417> well, yes, eventually, I was just hoping to get through the install without loosing things
[17:26] <holstein> this only makes it easier if you are reinstalling
[17:27] <holstein> however, some things in the .config sometimes doesnt work when upgrading
[17:27] <chaosmonkey417> If my drive fails, I'd don't really have another computer anyway
[17:27] <holstein> what do i do? i back up my data seperately and i actually usually just do one partition insatlls
[17:28] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: its not "if" your drive fails.. its *when*
[17:28] <chaosmonkey417> ok, so I might be able to get the touchpad running if I install the dual boot, but I'll need to run the updates to see?
[17:28] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: and the partitioning shceme has nothing to do with that
[17:29] <holstein> what i am saying is.. rolling through reinstalls with a seperate /home is not more secure.. you should still have a backup
[17:30] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: you can always make your own kernel and include support for whatever hardware you choose
[17:30] <chaosmonkey417> lol, too much work for me
[17:31] <holstein> what would i do? i would share my model # here and other channels.. i would google "ubuntu 12.04 my computer model" and look for links
[17:31] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: im just saying, there is always a way
[17:31] <holstein> its all open... anyway, i would install and apply upgades and test and go from there
[17:33] <chaosmonkey417> and I know I'll eventually loose my stuff when my drive fails, but I don't have much in the way of offsite storage options
[17:34] <holstein> chaosmonkey417: im am only suggesting that trying to hang on to your current install and config without backup is unrealistic.. you can get external usb drives quite cheap these days
[17:47] <nantou> i cannot find the ubuntuone icon, and I haves installed the GUI
[17:47] <nantou> for it
[17:52] <netorious> hello, how can I add a program to the menu in Xubuntu 12.10?
[17:53] <GridCube> netorious, it should add itself
[17:54] <netorious> GridCube my software was installed from a zip file
[17:58] <GridCube> ok, then you can add a launcher to the panels or add a launcher to the menu using the menu editor on settings
[18:01] <netorious> oh i see now thanks
[18:07] <raytray> Is there an easy way to remove power manager from the panel?
[18:08] <GridCube> you mean you cant just remove it?
[18:10] <Catbuntu> Hi
[18:11] <raytray> I can't seem to find an option to remove it from the panel no, GridCube
[18:14] <GridCube> raytray, go to any other panel, go to >panel >panel settings then go to the third tab, elements (or items or launchers or what ever is in english) if power manager is not listed make sure that the correct panel is selected on the dropdwon menu at the top of the panel settings gui
[18:20] <raytray> GridCube, it appears to be a part of the notification area item on the list. Is there a way to remove elements from that area?
[18:20] <GridCube> raytray, im not following you
[18:21] <GridCube> what do you mean by "power manager"
[18:21] <raytray> xfce4-power-manager isn't an individual item on that list. Instead it apepars in the panel as part of notification area
[18:21] <raytray> Meaning that Notification area is the item on the panel that displays things like thunderbird, wifi, dropbox and xfce4-power-manager
[18:22] <GridCube> yes thats the plugin indicator
[18:22] <raytray> I am using a different battery indiciator plugin for my laptop and thus do not need power manager to show the indicator.
[18:23] <raytray> I found the volume indicator setting through the volume manager itself. However I am unable to find such for the power manager. I have however searched and found a way to remove it by compiling it with certain options.
[18:23] <raytray> I was wondering if there was a way to remove it without having to remove the package, and compiling another one.
[18:25] <GridCube> well you can go to >settings >settings manager >power settings >general, and change the show in notification area
[18:25] <raytray> oh jeeze, thank you very much GridCube. Not sure how I missed that one.
[18:48] <xubuntu020> I have a Pentium M Dell with 2g of ram   will Xubuntu work , I tried Ubuntu 12.04 but could not install because of kernal issue
[19:12] <_DeLa_> hi there
[19:13] <_DeLa_> I just upgraded from xubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 (clean install). If i am correct, 12.04 still features the PAE kernel. But if this is correct, why does my system only utilize 3 of my 4gb RAM?
[19:56] <ChesterX> hello everybody, is it possible to sync itunes podcasts with gmusicbrowser?
[20:46] <upload> ello
[22:07] <davidism> Is there any way to change how my scroll wheel on my wireless mouse works?  Right now it's doing a page up/down ever turn, which is pretty inconvenient.  I just want the regular +/- 3 lines
[22:21] <davidism> wait a second, unplugging then reinserting fixed it...
[22:42] <pseudonymous> Is there any convenient way of stealing xubuntu's theme ? I installed it into a VM for a friend (introducing him to the wonders of latex) and I was enamoured with the looks
[22:43] <pleia2> pseudonymous: shimmerproject.org
[22:43] <pleia2> that's where the theme comes from
[22:44] <pleia2> you want greybird
[22:46] <pseudonymous> pleia2: sweet, thanks :)
[23:11] <link0r> hi guys, i was wondering if there is a skype for xubuntu?
[23:12] <heoyea_> ye
[23:12] <link0r> version 11.10
[23:12] <heoyea_> go to skype website
[23:12] <pleia2> the ubuntu ones work fine on xubuntu
[23:12] <heoyea_> and download the deb files
[23:13] <link0r> they have version 10 and a version 12
[23:13] <link0r> and im using 11.10....which do i pick?
[23:13] <pleia2> try them out and see what works?
[23:13] <heoyea_> think they got skype in the repos also
[23:13] <heoyea_> sudo apt-get install skype
[23:15] <link0r> ok thanks just wanted 2 check
[23:15] <SkippersBoss> carefull with the work fine
[23:15] <SkippersBoss> the xubuntu version has some serious drawbax
[23:15] <SkippersBoss> drawback
[23:15] <SkippersBoss> s
[23:17]  * SkippersBoss feels that with MS now in charge skype for linux development will come to an and :-(


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[02:18] <sommer> mdke: sure, I"' I was actually thinking about that the other day.
[02:19] <sommer> mdke: woops meant to say I'll look into the text version of the guide
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #165145 in ubuntu-docs (main) "No hardware compatibility list included in manual. (Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165145
[21:22] <sommer> hey all, is the 7.10 installation guide online?
[21:25] <posingaspopular> there should be
[21:25] <posingaspopular> for which distro? ubuntu
[21:25] <sommer> posingaspopular: yep, I found 7.06: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/
[21:26] <sommer> 7.04 rather
[21:26] <sommer> but if you change 7.04 to 7.10... no dice
[21:26] <seisen> https://help.ubuntu.com/ is this what you are looking for
[21:26] <posingaspopular> ah yea i thought that was already done
[21:26] <sommer> seisen: no the actual installation guide... I don't think the Doc Team has control of it
[21:26] <posingaspopular> erm released
[21:27] <sommer> the package is available... I was just looking for somewhere to link to
[21:27] <seisen> I think they are still waiting no Canonical
[21:27] <seisen> *on
[21:27] <sommer> gotcha... I'll just assume the url will be the same
[21:27] <sommer> I guess it can always be changed later


[01:39] <Xborder> hy, i got a question.. i live in portugal and i requested a cd via mail.. i dont know from were you send it but is it completely free or i may have to pay somekind of fee due to border crossing?
[22:32] <hubuntu> Flannel, are you there?
[22:32] <Flannel> hubuntu: not me, nope.
[22:33] <Flannel> hubuntu: what's up?
[22:34] <hubuntu> Flannel, I have just arrived from my vacation this year and want to use some time in SU
[22:34] <hubuntu> things have been quite since the last two weeks
[22:34] <Flannel> I've been quietly working on it, although recently I've been preoccupied with LoCo stuff.
[22:35] <Flannel> hubuntu: After next thursday, I'll be able to devote a lot more time to it.  But even before then, I'm poking along at the code.
[22:35] <hubuntu> you are working on the poulling method from LP, am I right?
[22:36] <Flannel> not launchpad, bazaar, yeah.  I'm working on bzr <-> db stuff.
[22:37] <hubuntu> I'm always confusing that (understand the difference, but I think of LP as my "bzr")
[22:38] <hubuntu> so after the db is working we can do the db <-> frontend thing?
[22:38] <Flannel> hubuntu: Alright, well, in that case, yes.
[22:39] <Flannel> hubuntu: well, we can work on them at the same time.  Sure, some of the DB stuff may need to be tweaked on both our ends.
[22:39] <Flannel> We should probably come up with a standard DB format to work on (at least initially)
[22:39] <Flannel> so both halves can be done in parallel
[22:39] <hubuntu> true
[22:39] <Flannel> We'll wind up changing it anyway, once we go "oh yeah... we ought to add that"
[22:39] <hubuntu> are you building the db considering the classif system proppossed by pep?
[22:40] <hubuntu> or just testing ideas of your own?
[22:40] <Flannel> well, the classification system won't have a whole lot of impact on the DB design, but yes, it will support classifications, whatever system we end up on
[22:41] <Flannel> those are just fields in the DB, and they'll be easy to change if we hop from one classification system to another.
[22:41] <hubuntu> ok... you really know what you are doing, it seems :)
[22:43] <Flannel> or I just cover up the fact that I'm clueless really well. :)
[22:43] <Flannel> but no, I do have a pretty good idea of how this is going to work
[22:54] <hubuntu> I do, but not in such a granulated way ;)


[01:01] <td123> I know it's in the topic, but is xorg *still* broken?
[01:02] <Sarvatt> only if you have proprietary drivers installed
[01:03] <Sarvatt> also - nouveau has 3D support in maverick now in libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[01:05]  * ajmitch will enjoy the magic smoke tonight then
[01:20] <psusi> anyone else have suspend broken using the current maverick kernels?  display just doesn't power back on after resume... works when I switch to the daily mainline kernel build
[01:29] <psusi> damn it takes forever to build the kernel these days...
[02:01] <IdleOne> HTT-Bird: since you plan on installing the current kernel in maverick this would be a better place for support
[02:01] <HTT-Bird> right. :)
[02:01] <IdleOne> ask and be patient :)
[02:02] <HTT-Bird> will give it a shot.
[02:02] <IdleOne> oh take not that xorg in maverick is broken (works for me)
[02:25] <HTT-Bird> alright: I have what basically amounts to a modified Ubuntu 9.04 system right now.  I need to install a >=2.6.34 kernel as an alternate kernel in order to be able to take readings from my hwmon chip.  I was figuring that the easiest way to go would be to use Maverick's kernel image; however, would installing a kernel that new alongside an older userland cause trouble?
[02:28] <bjsnider> your graphics driver may run into a problem with mismatched api/abi with your xorg/mesa system, or may not even build
[02:29] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: I am using the nVidia blob, so would that still be an issue?
[02:29] <bjsnider> certainly
[02:29] <bjsnider> i doubt it would build at all
[02:29] <HTT-Bird> so I'd have to pull a newer version of the nvidia stuff I take it?
[02:29] <bjsnider> no
[02:29] <HTT-Bird> ...or I could just limp along on nv lol
[02:30] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: so...what should I do about the issue of gfx being a problem?
[02:30] <bjsnider> why don't you compile the driver you need into your current kernel instead?
[02:31] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: because it is NOT AVAILABLE for a 2.6.28 kernel
[02:31] <bjsnider> i mean for lmsensors
[02:31] <HTT-Bird> I'd have to backport the blasted thing 6 kernel releases
[02:31] <HTT-Bird> so I'd take it that you'd rather I backported the driver? :p
[02:31] <bjsnider> wel, you can waste time complaining about it or you can get started...
[02:31] <funkyHat> I'm hobbling along on vesa at the moment ⢁( I just had a look at downgrading to lucid's version of xorg but that doesn't appear to be doable
[02:32] <bjsnider> you have no other option really
[02:35] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: alright, I have the commit for that driver up on git.kernel.org
[02:38] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: does kernel-package automatically take care of Ubuntu-ifying the kernel it's building?
[02:40] <bjsnider> just install the kernel-headers from the archive
[02:41] <bjsnider> you could use dkms to install the driver
[02:42] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: hrm.  how do I get from "git diff of kernel sources" to "something dkms can swallow"?
[02:44] <bjsnider> take a look at how your nvidia driver is handled
[02:45] <bjsnider> have a look at /usr/src
[02:45] <bjsnider> it should become clear
[02:45] <bjsnider> you'll have to research the dkms commands though
[02:45] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: I can see that dkms can swallow an ordinary patch....I assume it can swallow git diff's too?
[02:46] <bjsnider> you mean you want to create the driver from a patch?
[02:46] <bjsnider> i dunno
[02:47] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: yeah.  I have the driver in the form of a patch to the kernel source tree.
[02:47] <bjsnider> is it that small?
[02:48] <HTT-Bird> 1 new file in Documentation/, 1 file for the driver, 2 build-harness patches, and a patch to MAINTAINERS
[02:48] <HTT-Bird> so yeah, it is kinda that small :)
[02:49] <HTT-Bird> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=patch;h=d58de038728221f780e11d50b32aa40d420c1150 <-- maybe this'd help? :)
[03:02]  * HTT-Bird pings bjsnider
[03:04] <bjsnider> well, i don't know if a patch would work with dkms or if it needs the raw files. give it a try
[03:29] <HTT-Bird> bjsnider: it seems to want the raw files
[03:29] <HTT-Bird> but that's not too hard to accomodate. :)
[03:30] <bjsnider> you can, apparently install the newer kernel outright if you want. the blob should build with it
[03:33] <HTT-Bird> true, I doubt backporting the driver will be horribly hard though.
[06:36] <DrHalan> what is the title supposed to mean? shouldn't i upgrade even if dependencies are okay nowß
[07:27] <DrHalan> mh not really sure if i shut reastart now ..
[07:27] <DrHalan> xorg upgrade went fine..
[08:53] <sylon> whats the best way to downgrade a pkg when some update to it is broken?
[09:15] <Ian_corne> will maverick be sporting x 1.9?
[09:21] <Ian_corne> found out, yes :)
[14:41] <dORSY> mv /work/dorsy/home/dorsy
[14:57] <bjsnider> !find /usr/bin/ffprobe lucid
[15:38] <DrHalan> is xorg still broken for anyone?
[15:38] <DrHalan> i suggest we change the topic
[15:38] <psusi> xorg was workign for me last night... up until my maverick installation got hosed when I tried to make an lvm snapshot and it hung
[15:39] <DrHalan> mh
[15:40] <gnomefreak> it is still held back so yes it is broken
[15:44] <DrHalan> what is held back?
[15:47] <Ian_corne> gnomefreak: not for me
[15:47] <Ian_corne> what is causing the conflict?
[15:48] <gnomefreak> Ian_corne: off hand i dont recall but i will look as soon as i finish what im working on
[15:49] <gnomefreak> ahh
[15:51] <gnomefreak> better
[15:51] <Ian_corne> hehe :p
[15:51] <gnomefreak> now lets see if it really is fixed
[15:52] <Ian_corne> well it is for me
[15:52]  * gnomefreak away for a bit
[15:52] <gnomefreak> thanks for the heads up
[17:15] <funkyHat> Anyone know how I can downgrade all of my X packages? ⢁D
[17:17] <yofel> make sure you get the older versions from somewhere and use dpkg / aptitude / synaptic?
[17:17] <yofel> funkyHat: then again, why do you want to downgrade them?
[17:18] <funkyHat> yofel: because the current ones are broken ⢁)
[17:18] <yofel> hm, haven't updated today yet, but right now it works fine here
[17:18] <funkyHat> The "get older ones from somewhere" part is what I'm struggling with, they don't appear to be in the archive anymore
[17:18] <funkyHat> yofel: my card is an ati r800
[17:18] <yofel> no, either you have them in /var/cache/apt/archives or you need to fetch the lucid packages
[17:19] <yofel> oh
[17:19] <yofel> heh
[17:19] <yofel> vesa?
[17:19] <funkyHat> yes vesa works fine, if 1280x1024 is fine...
[17:19] <funkyHat> And only single headed
[17:21] <funkyHat> mm, I tried adding lucid's repos so they'd appear in aptitude, but it didn't seem to work, I guess I'll grab the packages and install them manually
[17:22] <yofel> they should appear after refreshing the package cache
[17:22] <yofel> you have to select the older version by hand of course
[17:22] <funkyHat> by pressing u (or aptitude update) you mean? I have done that a few times ⢁)
[17:23] <yofel> yeah, then go to the package you want, press enter, go to the bottom, select the version you want and press +
[17:23] <yofel> resolve the conflicts by downgrading all other packages and install them
[17:24] <funkyHat> Yeah, I'm only seeing 1:7.5+6ubuntu1 and the same with ~xorgedgers3
[17:25] <yofel> hm, I have lucid enabled here and I can see all versions fine
[17:25] <funkyHat> Maybe I got my sources.list wrong...
[17:26] <yofel> hm, aptitude shows this here (the middle one comes from debian)
[17:26] <yofel> p    1:7.5+5ubuntu1
[17:26] <yofel> p    1:7.5+6
[17:26] <yofel> i    1:7.5+6ubuntu1
[17:26] <funkyHat> Yeah, that's the problem, I only added lucid-security -_-
[17:33] <funkyHat> aha!
[18:03] <h00k> Oh, the /topic has changed, does this mean xorg upgrades are safe?
[18:52] <yofel> anyone else got a failing kernel upgrade?
[18:52] <yofel> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-3-generic
[18:52] <yofel> Running postinst hook script /usr/sbin/update-grub.
[18:52] <yofel> Invalid parameter, 2.6.35-3-generic
[18:53] <yofel> User postinst hook script [/usr/sbin/update-grub] exited with value 1
[19:08] <NoelJB> Maverick won't boot after this AM's updates.  wait-for-root not found in /init.  Anyone else seeing this?
[19:09] <NoelJB> Looks like bug 360378
[20:19] <coz_> hey guys.. I dont have maverick installed on a dual monitor system... is the wallpaper issues solved ?
[20:20] <coz_> ie... all options for wallpaper....scale   etc etc  simply mirror the image on both monitors and the "span"  option does nothing more than center the image "between"  each monitor
[20:22] <coz_> also the issue  I had on lucid with multiple partitioned external drive  not un mounting properly does not occur on kde o0
[21:59] <jpds> Good day.
[22:02] <jonathonf> does anyone know which version of initramfs-tools caused the problem?
[22:03] <jpds> jonathonf: 0.96.1ubuntu3.
[22:03] <jonathonf> ta, i'll check my installed version
[22:03] <jpds> Fix is en route as we speak.
[22:03] <jonathonf> great
[22:04] <h00k> xorg 'should' be okay with an nvidia, yes?
[22:05] <jonathonf> h00k: yes
[22:05] <jonathonf> should be ;)
[22:05]  * jonathonf is still playing with fglrx
[22:45] <wtf1> what is partial upgrade?
[22:56] <Sarvatt> h00k: only nvidia-current, the rest dont support xserver 1.8
[22:57] <h00k> Sarvatt: okay. I'm running the proprietary nvidia driver on my laptop
[22:57] <Sarvatt> it depends what driver you're using, theres 3 different versions
[22:58] <h00k> Right, whatever the latest one is these days, 19*.**
[23:01] <bjsnider> well, the very latest one in the 256.29 driver in the x-updates ppa
[23:01] <Sarvatt> yeah the latest works fine, its just 173.xx and 96.xx that dont work
[23:01] <h00k> oh, holy smokes. I didn't realize it was that high.
[23:01] <h00k> Last I remember it was 195, I think
[23:04] <h00k> !info nvidia-current maverick
[23:04] <h00k> yeah. that's me.
[23:30] <sidHart> can't boot as it's dropping to initramfs..how to recover?
[23:31] <Giles1> QCad is missing fonts since upgrade to lucid, (its think its a QT3 application)
[23:32] <Giles1> how can I fix it?
[23:34] <Giles1> ah, I think I need to install qcad-data
[23:34] <Giles1> yep that fixed it.
[23:58] <arcane> how do I read the channel topic?
[23:59] <arcane> !topic