[06:12] <fgleich> hey protonchris :)
[06:15] <fgleich> hey genfool
[06:15] <fgleich> what's goin on old friend ?
[06:15] <genfool> fgleich,  how are you?
[06:15] <fgleich> good here
[06:16] <fgleich> I was just wonderin why codeblocks won't start
[06:16] <fgleich> I get his error;  codeblocks: symbol _Z23wxHandleFatalExceptionsb, version WXU_2.8 not defined in file libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0 with link time reference
[06:16] <fgleich> this*
[06:16] <genfool> what was the cnc distro you installed yesterday?
[06:17] <fgleich> I googled it, and it's a bug
[06:17] <fgleich> uh.......a version of ubuntu
[06:17] <fgleich> it's got the real time modules compiled in the kernel
[06:17] <genfool> do you have a bug report?   a link to it?
[06:17] <fgleich> hold on
[06:18] <fgleich> http://www.google.com/search?q=codeblocks%3A+symbol+_Z23wxHandleFatalExceptionsb%2C+version+WXU_2.8+not+defined+in+file+libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0+with+link+time+reference&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.pclinuxos:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[06:18] <fgleich> across a number of distros
[06:19] <genfool> I see that, still looking for a debian bug   :)
[06:19] <fgleich> oh
[06:19] <fgleich> related to that ?
[06:20] <genfool> problem is, everything is 2008 and older  o_0
[06:20] <fgleich> I know dammit
[06:21] <genfool> what kernel do you have?
[06:21] <fgleich> probably an slightly older versin of codeblocks would run
[06:21] <fgleich> let me see
[06:21] <fgleich> <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:22] <genfool> usually when a bug stops being a bug....no one complains anymore
[06:22] <fgleich> wx 2.8 is pretty mature now
[06:22] <fgleich> so it's gotta be codeblocks the problem
[06:23] <fgleich> the error, WXU_2.8 not defined in the lib, is probably a method that isn't complete in the codeblocks code base or something like that
[06:24] <fgleich> link time reference
[06:24] <genfool> fgleich,  is this on the ubuntu cnc or the pclos?
[06:24] <fgleich> that's ok, I posted the code to write the rpm spec file for another IDE on kats site, remember ?
[06:24] <fgleich> I'll just use it
[06:25] <fgleich> this is pclos
[06:25] <fgleich> I'll just swipe and copy the code for the spec file, dl the src package and compile and install into the system
[06:26] <fgleich> pretty easy to do
[06:26] <genfool> Ahh, that is rpm I think...
[06:26] <fgleich> yep
[06:26] <genfool> I never figured out rpm
[06:26] <fgleich> I'm pretty adept at writing rpm spec files
[06:26] <fgleich> nothin to it
[06:27] <genfool> portage FTW!
[06:27] <fgleich> I never learned to do deb packages, but just used the alien software
[06:28] <fgleich> maybe if I get interested again I'll delve into portage
[06:28] <fgleich> you guys get out to eat much anymore ?
[06:29] <genfool> is a pia to setup the first time, then quite good.  :)
[06:30] <fgleich> http://www.katcom.org/aaa/viewtopic.php?t=125
[06:30] <genfool> Not often, we got out last night....wife turned 50....thought she deserved a dinner out.
[06:30] <fgleich> good for you
[06:31] <fgleich> I'm kinda sick right now
[06:31] <fgleich> I'm going out with my brother tomorrow to the sandoval county courthouse to check on something, might do lunch at this kick ass vietnamese place
[06:32] <genfool> that sucks fgleich  you know I was kinda sick....took two weeks to actually get sick and over it
[06:33] <fgleich> yeah got some sinus thing and having trouble breathing
[06:34] <genfool> I hate this time of year cause I always get sick   :(
[06:35] <fgleich> I try to be careful
[06:36] <genfool> sooo, how can we find a newer bug report on your code blocks issue?
[06:36] <fgleich> oops they left
[06:36] <fgleich> I dunno
[06:36] <fgleich> the codeblocks site ?
[06:37] <genfool> mneptok left and says new kernel.....he probably has a .32
[06:37] <fgleich> they never said anything to us
[06:37] <fgleich> good
[06:38] <genfool> fgleich,  I do not think so, no issues since 2008
[06:38] <fgleich> ok who are the bots ?
[06:38] <fgleich> locobot
[06:38] <fgleich> ubuntulog
[06:38] <fgleich> that's it ?
[06:39] <fgleich> .32 goes back to 2008 ?
[06:39] <genfool> With gentoo I can run some test and look for missing libs and dep's   is there a way to do that with pclos?
[06:39] <fgleich> ok I got the wxhatch software and copied  the spec file off kat's site
[06:40] <fgleich> I think only if the spec file is written correctly
[06:42] <fgleich> maybe with ldconfig or .....
[06:42] <fgleich> hold on
[06:42]  * genfool thinks that fgleich  would curse loudly while installing gentoo,  at a error like this, he would relax at how easy he could fix it.
[06:42] <fgleich> what error ?
[06:43] <genfool> codeblocks   is an old issue and not reported since 2008
[06:44] <genfool> maybe rpm has some tools like portage does...I can not advise on how to use them.
[06:45] <genfool> soo use portage  :)
[06:46]  * genfool waits for it......
[06:47] <fgleich> I didn't look at the date stamp on that
[06:48] <fgleich> well, I did an ldconfig, but that didn't help
[06:50] <genfool> what version of codeblocks do you have?   10.05 here and not installed
[06:50] <genfool> I am installing now,
[06:51] <fgleich> I'll look
[06:53] <genfool> not bad, only 3 packages here
[06:54] <fgleich> wx is broken up into unicode and non unicode, and if the guy who wrote the packaging file made a mistake that could cause this problem
[06:54] <fgleich> I'll post the error so you can see it
[06:55] <fgleich> codeblocks: relocation error: codeblocks: symbol _Z23wxHandleFatalExceptionsb, version WXU_2.8 not defined in file libwx_baseu-2.8.so.0 with link time reference
[06:56] <genfool> fgleich,  can you pastebin the whole error?
[06:56] <fgleich> the guy who used to do pclinuxos's packaging has moved on, I've noticed the quality has gone down
[06:56] <fgleich> that's the entire error
[06:57] <fgleich> I can look at pclos wiki and see if something has been said about this
[06:59] <genfool> I am still waiting for it to compile, will start it soon, see what it says
[06:59] <fgleich> ok
[07:00] <genfool> is on 3/3
[07:00] <fgleich> ok
[07:01] <genfool> mrs genfool went  to a Christmas party tonight   genfool kick up the heels   :)
[07:01] <fgleich> also, it could have been compiled against a diff version of wxgtk, which could cause that
[07:01] <fgleich> oh too bad you didn't go
[07:03] <genfool> not bad at all  How do you normally want to start code blocks?
[07:04] <fgleich> well, been starting in a console, cuz of errors
[07:04] <fgleich> normally by the menu
[07:04] <genfool> codeblocks in a user terminal started something here....I do not know what to do with it
[07:04] <fgleich> pop open a dialog ?
[07:05] <genfool> two of em :)
[07:05] <fgleich> ok then it works ok for you
[07:05] <fgleich> I'd have to recompile here too I guess
[07:05] <genfool> ready to roll here
[07:06] <fgleich> I can do my other IDE too
[07:07] <genfool> yes, click on ok and opens to full screen, waits for me to code....will be wating a long time, I closed it
[07:09] <genfool> just saying, works fine here, your link showed a 2008 as last complaint, I would look at your system.
[07:18] <genfool> uh oh...wife is home from her Christmas party....Time to go
[07:20] <fgleich> yes I know, not many do devel, so it's not come up yet. see ya another time, thanks for the help
[07:21] <fgleich> bye


[07:17] <ppisati> morning
[08:19] <smb> morning
[08:21] <abogani> morning
[08:24] <ohsix> this can't be right ...
[08:24] <ohsix> [314951.125601] CPUFREQ: ondemand sampling_rate_max sysfs file is deprecated - used by: md5sum
[08:24] <ohsix> [317300.986027] process `md5sum' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall) net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time; Use net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time_ms instead.
[08:25] <ohsix> nm on the first one, it was actually reading /sys ;]
[08:51] <cjwatson> hmm, so regarding 3.0; the kernel team knows that 3.0.0 < 3.0 as far as dpkg is concerned, right?  we'll need to be careful when uploading the RCs ...
[08:52] <smb> Probably we would not have thought about that first. I guess there will also be all sorts of hardcoded 2.6 we will find in scripts...
[08:52] <_ruben> don't even wanna think what kind of packaging hell the 3.0 decision is causing in distro land :)
[08:52] <broder> wasn't that deliberately supposed to be part of the fun? :)
[08:52] <_ruben> quite likely ;)
[08:53] <cjwatson> you can use 3.0~3.0.0-<whatever> or similar, although I don't know what that will do to your scripts :-)
[08:54] <cjwatson> yeah, I already know of at least one bit of hardcoding in the installer
[08:54] <broder> wait, aren't they doing 3.0.0 now with the intent of switching to 3.<num>.<stable release> once everybody wakes up?
[08:55] <smb> cjwatson, I probably should add this in mail form not to forget... There are a lot of not workers today... Actually, isn't that a day off in the UK?
[08:55] <ppisati> smb: and usa too iirc
[08:55] <broder> yeah, today's a US holiday
[08:56] <smb> ppisati, I did know the US, I surprised a bit by the UK part. :)
[08:57] <ppisati> smb: i think apw told me that
[08:57] <ppisati> smb: but i could be worng, a lot things happe during a weekend that can help you forget :)
[08:57] <smb> ppisati, Yep. Me too. When telling me see you on Tuesday on Friday.
[08:58]  * smb plans to take off this Friday just to pay back... ;-P
[08:59] <ppisati> :)
[08:59] <ppisati> in italy we have a national holiday 2th of june
[08:59] <ppisati> but i'm not sure if i'll take it
[08:59] <ppisati> too many cve to fix
[09:00] <smb> ppisati, Have the same in Germany. And there is always many CVEs (and there will be after)
[09:00] <ppisati> yep
[09:01] <ppisati> bank holiday in uk
[09:01] <cjwatson> smb: yes, I'm not really working today
[09:01] <ppisati> memorial day in usa
[09:01] <cjwatson> doesn't stop me being on IRC now and then though :)
[09:01] <smb> ppisati, You know the saying: "nothing is so important that it cannot get more important by delaying a bit"? ;)
[09:02] <smb> cjwatson, :) Some people are crazy in a worrying way. ;)
[09:09] <smb> Hm, that probably came out more rude that intended. More tried to express that looking out of my window and if I had a free day, I could imagine so much nicer things than to be on irc...
[09:14]  * ppisati keeps hitting bugs that are marked as "Fix Released"
[09:19] <cjwatson> smb: not so much a free day as a housework day, for me
[09:21] <smb> cjwatson, I guess that changes things a bit (at least the order of appealance)
[09:21] <cjwatson> quite
[09:42] <awilkins> Is there some kind of NVRAM marker that the kernel writes to inform the BIOS that a boot occurred successfully? My BIOS keeps claiming that the last boot failed or the POST was interrupted, but only after I shut down Natty - it never did it for Maverick, and doesn't do it for Windows.
[10:19] <cdbs> Hey, any time frame for a kernel 3.0.0-rc1 release on the mainline ppa?
[10:20] <cdbs> I have an intel sandy bridge, and performance on 2.6.3x (even .39) is like that of a 2004 computer running Win7
[10:39] <smb> cdbs, It may need some effort getting that to run. Normally it should be picked up when the tag appears, but I suspect we will see some things breaking by that version change
[11:15] <soren> I'm having difficulties running the Oneiric kernel as a Xen dom0.
[11:16] <soren> Looking at http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenParavirtOps there's a number of config options that need to be enable that aren't.
[11:16] <soren> Some of them are listed as =y, so they'll bloat the kernel by some amount.
[11:17] <soren> Is Xen dom0 something you do want to support, thought?
[11:18] <soren> -t
[11:22] <awilkins> Maybe they'd want to enable it on the server builds, or their VM server build (they have a special build for EC2, no?)
[11:32] <soren> Not dom0.
[11:33] <ogra_> soren, err, isnt that a mainline feature now anyway ?
[11:33] <soren> ogra_: The basic dom0 support, yes, but a number of extra options need to be enabled for it to actually *work*.
[11:33] <ogra_> well, what i read was that ll needed features are mainlined in 3.0
[11:34] <soren> ogra_: One wonders what the use is of a kernel with dom0 support enabled, but not all the other stuff, but meh.
[11:34] <ogra_> so why would someone disable them :)
[11:34] <soren> I don't know. I don't know why Kconfig even allows it.
[11:34]  * ogra_ thinks the oneiric kernel is just not up to date yet
[11:34] <soren> 2.6.39 has the relevant stuff, too.
[11:34] <soren> Just not all the right stuff *enabled*.
[11:35] <soren> At least that's my current working hypothesis.
[11:35] <soren> It's not booting, and that page I linked to above says that these things should be enabled, and they're not, so it seems like a good guess that that's why it's not booting for me.
[11:36] <soren> I'll know more once I get around to building a kernel with those things enabled.
[11:40] <soren> Oh, darn it, it actually works on this box.
[11:40] <soren> /ignore me
[13:22] <lool> smb: Oy
[13:22] <smb> lool, Sup?
[13:22] <lool> smb: Would you mind cherry-picking "UBUNTU: Include nls_iso8859-1 for virtual images" to natty and maverick?
[13:23] <lool> fs/nls/nls_cp437.ko was picked in the natty but not iso8859-1
[13:23] <smb> lool, Thought we sort of had. But I might confuse it or its just stuck in proposed...
[13:23] <apw> cjwatson, thanks for the heads up on 3.0
[13:23] <lool> smb: looking at tip of natty.git, it's still missing iso8859-1
[13:23] <lool> I'm still checking maverick
[13:23] <apw> smb, yes holiday today
[13:24] <lool> (slooowwwww checkout over ecryptfs)
[13:24] <smb> apw, And another one who cannot stay without irc. :)
[13:24] <lool> smb: oh are you on leave too?
[13:24] <lool> sorry about that
[13:24] <lool> I saw Thursday is a big leave in Europe
[13:24] <smb> smb, Nah, /me is Germany.
[13:24] <apw> smb yep
[13:24] <smb> No holiday today. Only UK
[13:24] <smb> and US
[13:25] <lool> smb: right, maverick also only has nls_cp437 and not nls_iso8859-1
[13:25] <smb> lool, for maverick it seems to be in master-next
[13:25] <lool> smb: also, will there actually be some SRU of linux in maverick and natty still?  I don't know how long the non-LTS releases get kernel SRUs
[13:25] <lool> smb: ahhh master-next gah
[13:25] <smb> lool, 79cc10ef1158acc18688a0594a7fcda9921a11ce
[13:26] <lool> smb: I see it in natty msater-next as well
[13:26] <lool> and in maverick master-next too
[13:26] <lool> I had completely forgotten about this master-next branch
[13:26] <smb> lool, Yup, so just paaaatience. :)
[13:27] <lool> smb: is there a set cadence for the SRUs in non-LTS as well?
[13:27] <smb> lool, Yes there is a cadence
[13:28] <smb> But for Maverick, we just found some problem with that and ec2
[13:28] <lool> I don't need it urgently, but we have a Linaro engineer who is setting up jenkins to start instances to do builds with a fixed kernel, and it's not trivial to arrange to upgrade the kernel and reboot (new ABI!) before kicking the build
[13:28] <lool> smb: ah, but not due to these patches I would hope?
[13:30] <smb> lool, No there was some Xen change that has unexpected results for us
[13:30] <lool> Ok
[13:31] <lool> I've told her to build the .ko locally with the old ABI and wget them on boot now
[13:31] <lool> thanks for confirming the commits are in there!  I thought the fix had fallen through the cracks
[13:31] <lool> smb: maybe I should reset the bug tasks to work in progress or triaged until there's an upload to -proposed?
[13:32] <lool> (they are fix committed which is usually the bug state after a -proposed upload happened)
[13:33] <smb> lool, Well there are uploads to proposed, just not what is in master-next necessarily. And no, fix committed always was just commited to repo. Not necessarily uploaded anywhere
[13:33] <smb> At least the way we had been using that state
[13:34] <lil_pete> hey guys i want to boot a custom kernel on 10.10, but during boot it ignores my /boot/grub/menu.lst 's 1st entry (--> custom kernel)... am i missing something here?
[13:35] <jk-> lil_pete: I don't think menu.lst is used anymore
[13:35] <smb> lil_pete, menu.list is only used with grub1, grub2 has grub.cfg
[13:35] <lool> smb: Ok; I was suspecting that for kernel the state was slightly different; the SRU processing scripts usually set fix committed when the package is accepted into -proposed
[13:36] <lil_pete> jk-: erm... okay. so i have to edit grub.cfg?
[13:36] <lil_pete> "do not edit this file" lol
[13:37] <jk-> lil_pete: would be better to add a /etc/grub.d/nn-my-custom-kernel
[13:38] <smb> Yes, it is completely regenerated, so it might not be very persistent. Depending how "custom" the kernel is (ie not using the debian build scripting) you probably have to do like jk- said
[13:39] <lil_pete> jk-: examples anywhere? /etc/grub.d/* looks like scripts finding everything... strange it doesnt find my kernel though i copied it to /boot/
[13:40] <lil_pete> smb: im not sure about the "customness" :) got the sources from kernel.org, did a configure + make
[13:40] <jk-> lil_pete: I'm no grub expert, but it looks like you just create a shell script that outputs a 'menuentry' stanza
[13:41] <smb> lil_pete, That probably is custom enough. You would have to look at the existing parts in grub.d, but it may be that is looks for system map or other parts than just a kernel image to detect it as a bootable kernel.
[13:41] <jk-> the 10_linux script will pick up your kernel if you've named it according to a specific pattern though
[13:42] <jk-> list=`for i in /boot/vmlinuz-* /boot/vmlinux-* /vmlinuz-* /vmlinux-* ;
[13:42] <lil_pete> i want my oldschool-grub back :(
[13:42] <lil_pete> got a "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.39"
[13:42] <lil_pete> i _think_ that should be recognized?!
[13:43] <jk-> did you do a `sudo update-grub` ?
[13:43] <lil_pete> jk-: ...
[13:43]  * lil_pete is the dumbest a$$ in this channel.
[13:44] <lil_pete> i only did a grub-mkconfig
[13:44] <jk-> :D
[13:44] <lil_pete> ill be back in one 2.6.39 boot time :D hopefully... :)
[13:47] <smb> hopefully he did not need to run update-initramfs, too
[13:55] <ppisati> CVE 2010-4655
[13:55] <ubot2> ppisati: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-4655)
[13:55] <ppisati> looks like there's a duplicare
[13:55] <ppisati> duplicate
[13:56] <ppisati> lp#771445 is the right one
[13:56] <ppisati> lp#771442 is untouched
[13:56] <ppisati> lp#771445
[13:56] <ppisati> lp771445
[13:56] <smb> bug 771445
[13:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 771445 in linux-ti-omap4 "CVE-2010-4655" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771445
[13:57] <ppisati> bug 771442
[13:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 771442 in linux-ti-omap4 "CVE-2010-4655" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771442
[13:59] <smb> ppisati, At least the titles look duplicate. Depends a bit what/who opened them. Could it be a slight issue when doing some automatic updates...?
[13:59] <ppisati> smb: both leann
[13:59] <lil_pete> well... it does load my kernel, but it doesnt boot. ill figure that out. thx for the advice guys. :)
[14:00] <smb> lil_pete, I was wondering whether you had installed all the modules and also run update-initramfs to generate an initrd...
[14:00] <lil_pete> nope
[14:01] <lil_pete> im trying make-kpkg now
[14:01] <smb> ppisati, I would tend to mark the one without anything done to it as duplicate of the other. You may wait till tomorrow to check back with Leann though
[14:02] <ogasawara> ppisati: I can't remember why I would have opened two bugs, I'd mark the untouched one as a duplicate of the other.
[14:02] <smb> Argh, yet another holiday zombie. :)
[14:03] <ogasawara> smb: I actually swapped today's holiday for last friday, so I'm workin today
[14:03] <ppisati> ogasawara: ok
[14:03] <ogasawara> bah, be back in a bit, lil guy woke up early
[14:03] <smb> ogasawara, Ahh. :) I was becoming a bit worried that I don't spend my holidays on irc. :-P
[14:04] <lil_pete> smb: would make modules-install install all i need?
[14:04] <smb> lil_pete, It would install the modules, but not generate any initrd
[14:05] <lil_pete> hhmmm no rule for modules-install ?
[14:05] <smb> was that modules_install
[14:06]  * smb has not used it for a while
[14:06] <qwerty_> hii
[14:06] <qwerty_> i am trying to compile the latest version of ubuntu kernel
[14:07] <qwerty_> i've come across some messages "section mismatch "
[14:07] <lil_pete> smb: hehe ill try
[14:07] <lil_pete> hitting tab takes forever... :-/
[14:08] <lil_pete> smb: make modules_install it is. :)
[14:11] <qwerty_> hii
[14:12] <lil_pete> smb: update-initramfs --> anything i should be looking out for?
[14:13] <smb> lil_pete, Normally "sudo update-initramfs -u <whatever the dir for you modules is named in /lib/modules>
[14:19] <lil_pete> smb: seemed to work without that dir (that got me an error message), i had to pass -k 2.6.39 though. anyway... ill reboot. this is gonna be really thrilling :D
[14:19] <smb> lil_pete, Oh, yeah, sorry -k and the version or dir name
[14:20] <lil_pete> np :)
[14:20] <smb> Comes if one does not call things too often by hand
[14:22] <lil_pete> smb: i got nearly everything in /boot now, except "abi-2.6..." do i need that?
[14:23] <smb> lil_pete, I do not believe this is strictly needed
[14:25] <lil_pete> alright, ill try rebooting... cya in a min. :)
[14:34] <lil_pete> smb: im up and running now, thx. :)
[14:34] <smb> lil_pete, welcome :)
[14:34] <ogasawara> whoa, looks like Oneiric will be 3.0
[14:35] <smb> ogasawara, Yep, surprise! :)
[14:35]  * ogasawara wonders how many of our scripts will be messed up
[14:35]  * _ruben feels sorry for you guys...
[14:35] <smb> Me too... There will be quite a few I expect...
[14:37] <smb> And there might be packaging issues. Though maybe not too bad as 3.0.0 seems to be < 3.0 ... but then we have stable/longterm...
[14:38] <ogra_> lovely, so i will be able to ask the kernel team all my perl questions after this cycle !
[14:39] <_ruben> haha
[14:39] <smb> ogra_, We'll rewrite everything in python... ;-P
[14:40] <ogra_> lol
[14:40] <ogra_> to speed up the buildtime, right ? :)
[14:40] <smb> Hehe, of course.
[14:56] <vmlinuz> all, I've updated my Lucid to the latest kernel updates and it's now freezing my system. How can I start to troubleshoot and gather information to file a bug?
[15:02] <Tommeh> Regarding the packages here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/
[15:03] <Tommeh> If only some packages appear in a given directory (i.e. some are missing), is it because the kernel failed to build/was pulled/hasn't been done yet, or something else?
[15:05] <smb> Tommeh, Most likely because a build failed.
[15:07] <vmlinuz> how can I start troubleshooting a system freeze on Lucid?
[15:08] <Tommeh> vmlinuz, is it just a graphical freeze?
[15:08] <Tommeh> Or total system
[15:08] <smb> vmlinuz, probably looking into /var/log/syslog whether there is anything. Trying to ssh into it to see what Tommeh said
[15:08] <Tommeh> Of course, the most obvious thing to do would be to see if anything was logged up until the point where the system froze.
[15:08] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: I'm not sure if it's only a graphical freeze, because I'm not able to switch to text/console
[15:08] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: think this is a total freeze
[15:09] <vmlinuz> smb: right
[15:09] <Tommeh> Ok. As said, it's worth checking to see if ports/services are still available over the network. Alternatively it's also worth testing the shutdown button to see if the machine shuts down/suspends when pressed.
[15:10] <Tommeh> Also vmlinuz, you don't say at what point after boot-up the machine freezes?
[15:10] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: I don't know exactly.. random freeze
[15:10] <Tommeh> Before logging in/after ?
[15:10] <Tommeh> Or both?
[15:10] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: after loggin
[15:10] <Tommeh> Ok
[15:10] <Tommeh> Are you using compositing?
[15:11] <Tommeh> Compiz/unity, etc.
[15:11] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: compiz
[15:11] <Tommeh> I can't remember if there's an option on the lucid login screen to disable effects -- try that.
[15:11] <Tommeh> If that fixes it, you can be fairly sure it's related to your GPU/mesa in some way.
[15:12] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: makes sense.. I'll try to login without 3D effects
[15:12] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: thanks a lot!! Appreciated
[15:12] <Tommeh> Graphics stack in Lucid isn't particularly up to date, tbh.
[15:12] <vmlinuz> /var/log/syslog still saves the crash messages even after I reboot?
[15:14] <vmlinuz> brb :)
[15:20] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: I'm without composite (selected Failsafe GNOME on GDM screen)
[15:20] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: let's see if it doesn't freeze anymore :)
[17:42] <Tommeh> vmlinuz, any luck?
[17:42] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: yes, you were right... after disabling composite, it's working stable now
[17:43] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: I need to find a way to start compiz, compositing in debug mode to gather more info to file a bug
[17:43] <Tommeh> Mmm.. What GPU do you have?
[17:44] <Tommeh> Or rather, which driver are you using?
[17:44] <Tommeh> I'd suggest seeing if something like openarea causes the same lockups.
[17:45] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: 'lspci' says "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)"
[17:50] <Tommeh> Weird
[17:50] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: my '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' says  `LoadModule: "intel"`
[17:50] <Tommeh> Well, it's Intel-based anyway, so that narrows the potential drivers to 1 :)
[17:50] <Tommeh> If you find that GL apps consistently crash, you might have more luck in #intel-gfx (I think that's the right channel)
[17:51] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: thanks, appreciated your help!
[17:52] <vmlinuz> Tommeh: now, it's confirmed it has nothing to do with kernel update itself, but with composite/driver
[19:26] <akgraner> apw is there a wiki page that walks someone through updating a kernel
[19:27] <akgraner> or would someone for the team be willing to pop into #ubuntu-locoteams to answer that question?
[19:29] <cjwatson> 14:37 <smb> And there might be packaging issues. Though maybe not too bad as 3.0.0 seems to be < 3.0 ... but then we have stable/longterm...
[19:29] <cjwatson> smb: was that a typo?
[19:29] <cjwatson> as I mentioned, 3.0.0 > 3.0 :-)
[19:58] <ogasawara> May 30 05/30/11:00:51:00 <cjwatson>     hmm, so regarding 3.0; the kernel team knows that 3.0.0 < 3.0 as far as dpkg is concerned, right?  we'll need to be careful when uploading the RCs ...
[19:58] <ogasawara> cjwatson: ^^
[19:59] <ogasawara> cjwatson: I just want to make sure I have it clear in my head, 3.0.0 > 3.0
[20:00]  * ogasawara plans to discuss our versioning with apw tomorrow
[20:12] <cjwatson> I'm sorry, I did mean > in the line you quoted above
[20:12] <cjwatson> i.e. that if you upload 3.0.0-1 (say) then you can't subsequently upload 3.0-1
[20:12] <cjwatson> or 3.0-1000 for that matter
[20:13] <ogasawara> cjwatson: right, that makes sense to me
[20:13] <cjwatson> just jumped out at me as a really easy way to shoot oneself in the foot in this situation
[20:14] <ogasawara> cjwatson: indeed
[21:02] <dupondje> Hi ! Any plans for an updated kernel on Natty ?


[07:49] <sangenfant> any living beings in this room?
[10:18] <sangenfant> prgrmr, you here?
[10:18] <sangenfant> anyone here?


[03:48] <traskers> After upgrading to 3.5.0 on Ubuntu+1, my .config/openbox/autostart doesn't load? I've tried using /etc/xdg/openbox/autostart as well, and still, nothing.
[03:48] <traskers> (Of Openbox, sorry)
[03:49] <bioterror> who broke autostart :(
[03:50] <traskers> I'm glad it's not just me, I suppose :\
[03:52] <bioterror> how about using .desktop file in a ~/.config/autostart/
[03:52] <bioterror> is that broken too?
[03:52] <traskers> Um, haven't tried that..
[03:57] <bioterror> after copying .desktop file, check your Desktop Session Settings
[03:57] <bioterror> I'm off to work, goodluck with that ;)
[14:34] <episyron> hi, i just installed lubuntu 11.04 with ubuntu mini cd, but keyboard layout setting in X does not survive logout/login, it reverts back to english layout. any ideas how to make it permanent?
[16:03] <FollowerOfMendax> how to edit items on lubuntu menu?
[16:06] <kvarley> FollowerOfMendax: The panel or the actual menu with the categories on it?
[16:06] <FollowerOfMendax> menu w/categoies
[16:06] <kvarley> FollowerOfMendax: What did you want to change about it?
[16:07] <FollowerOfMendax> i have kubuntu and lubuntu install and don't want it to list kate knetwork manager etc.
[16:10] <KM0201> ugh, the one thing that sucks about adding a GUI.
[16:10] <KM0201> if you could only keep it all separate
[16:12] <kvarley> FollowerOfMendax: I have found a way for you! :)
[16:12] <FollowerOfMendax> ?
[16:12] <kvarley> FollowerOfMendax: Download this application: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/
[16:13] <kvarley> FollowerOfMendax: Extract the tar.gz and then make the install.sh file executable and run it as sudo and it will install the menu editor on your system
[16:14] <FollowerOfMendax> k thanks
[16:14] <kvarley> FollowerOfMendax: Then you can find "Main Menu Editor" in Preferences in the menu. Select your application you want to hide, hit the Properties button and uncheck the visible tickbox to hide it from the menu.
[16:14] <kvarley> FollowerOfMendax: No problem :)
[16:15] <kvarley> Is there an LXDE drop down terminal anybody knows of?
[21:35] <philipballew> whats some things i can uninstall from lxde to make it even lighter?
[21:41] <jrgifford> philipballew: that's kinda like, "can I put more helium in helium so it'll weigh less". ;)
[21:42] <jrgifford> In all seriousness though, I haven't discovered anything that'll make it even lighter... maybe use Midori instead of Chromium, but that's about it.
[21:47] <philipballew> hum. jrgifford makes sence. i thinking likt the actual interface itself though
[22:18] <kvarley> How do I change the behaviour when I close my netbook's lid?
[22:18] <jrgifford> philipballew: I see. Haven't come across anything that makes it lighter on your CPU/RAM.
[22:20] <kvarley> nvm got it


[15:38] <theodotos[m]> xai:  I live in Pafos but I work in Limassol and travel there daily. We can arrange a meeting after you settle down. Also if you any questions, need some help, just shoot.
[15:41] <xai> Nice, thanks :)
[15:42] <xai> I'd like to meet soon after the arrival :)
[15:52] <theodotos[m]> OK. When is that?
[15:55] <xai> The end of Aug or the start of Sep.
[15:57] <theodotos> I'll be on vacations between 23 and 28 of August :) We can arrange sometime after that.
[15:57] <xai> ok :)
[15:57] <xai> BTW, where do you work? (if it's an appropriate question)
[15:58] <xai> (I mean the company name and the job title)
[15:59] <theodotos> I work at the Cyprus University of Technology (located in Limassol center) as a sysadmin.
[16:00] <xai> Heh. I work as a sysadmin lead in National Research Nuclear University «MEPHI» (Russia, Moscow), yet))
[16:02] <theodotos> Wow. Seems like a nice post. Why the change?
[16:02] <xai> Russia scares me. I feel myself unsecure/unsafe here.
[16:05] <theodotos> O, yea.Politics!
[16:08] <xai> (:
[16:10] <xai> Why won't you rent a housing directly within Limassol?
[16:17] <theodotos> I am married in Pafos and it's complicated :)
[16:17] <theodotos> But I come from Limassol myself.
[16:18] <xai> So, your wife works in Pafos? :)
[16:21] <theodotos> Yes, she's a physics teacher
[16:22] <xai> Heh. I'm an engineer-physicist according to my master degree :)
[16:23] <theodotos> In paper I am an Electrician :P
[16:23] <xai> :)


[00:21] <hehehe> genii do you use ossec?
[00:21] <hehehe> many tutorials suggest to run it as root
[00:22] <hehehe> there is some workaround but I wonder if it worth to change it so it runs under local user
[00:38] <hehehe> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ossec-list/UI6Yng70wh0
[00:56] <hehehe> sarnold: is there any issue with installing ossec from a root dir on an ossec server
[00:56] <hehehe> I dont see any
[00:57] <hehehe> since it runs as root it does not matter where its located
[01:32] <hehehe> also while I am in ssh session I changed firewall to block custom ssh port yet my session did not ds
[01:32] <hehehe> so it applies to new sessions only?
[01:58] <hehehe> seems so
[01:58] <hehehe> \nice
[01:58] <hehehe> :D
[04:52] <maco> I've got a VPS running 16.04, and today I installed updates (probably first time in 2 months) and rebooted. Now I'm repeatedly getting system hangs with "task blocked for more than 120 seconds" — is this an issue with recent updates? (Or a coincidence?)
[04:54] <eatingthenight> not an issue with recent updates
[05:02] <maco> Alright, thanks. More log digging says it started 2 hours ago and happens at 15 & 35 past the hour. Weird.
[05:02] <eatingthenight> that is strange
[05:02] <eatingthenight> is that the message in syslog?
[05:03] <maco> Which task is blocked semi-alternates between jdb2/vda1-8 and mysqld
[05:03] <maco> But I grepped that "120 seconds" in syslog
[05:04] <eatingthenight> did you have an increase in traffic refently?
[05:04] <eatingthenight> *recently
[05:06] <maco> I added another site to my WordPress multisite install about 30 hours ago. Only one person knows about it though, so I doubt that's it. Most popular site on the server has higher traffic than this regularly (podcast episode every other week--this is an "off" week)
[05:07] <maco> I mean unless the sheer existence of that new site is the issue? But it was fine for 28 hours...
[05:08] <eatingthenight> is this hosted on aws?
[05:08] <maco> Cron hourly is 17 minutes after the hour not 15
[05:08] <maco> No, it's Dreamhost's openstack setup
[05:10] <eatingthenight> have you tried tuning kernel params at all yet?
[05:13] <maco> Nope
[05:13] <maco> I forgot that phrase even existed
[05:14] <eatingthenight> overall it's going to be real hard to debug that without more info as it's just general system tuning that is specific to your workload and environment. Stack overflow should be able to point you in the right direction for how to start narrowing it down.
[05:15] <maco> Ok here's something
[05:15] <maco> I see app armor denies for mysqld right before the first time it happens
[05:17] <maco> Oh never mind. That's the last thing in the logs before it, but a half hour passes
[05:19] <maco> Ugh. Ok so I see stuff in openstack help about this being caused by storage problems after rebooting
[05:19] <maco> Rebooting a VM shouldn't cause storage issues
[05:23] <maco> Possible solution found. If it works, I'll post the link here to satisfy any curiosity you may have eatingthenight
[06:23] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:36] <nisargjhaveri> Hello!
[09:36] <nisargjhaveri> I'm trying to setup ldap authentication on Ubuntu server 16.04, using `nss-pam-ldapd`
[09:36] <nisargjhaveri> I think the ldap auth part works, but when I try to login, auth.log says "fatal: initgroups: username: Invalid argument"
[09:36] <nisargjhaveri> If I set map gidNumber to 100, auth.log says "fatal: seteuid userID: Invalid argument"
[09:37] <nisargjhaveri> I recently setup another server using `libpam-ldap`, I didn't encounter any similar errors there..
[09:37] <nisargjhaveri> Any ideas?
[12:14] <Pascal__> hi i haven an problem with apache ... i want to create an subdomain but my subdomain redirects serverside to my domain. subd.server.my.domain.com => server.my.domain.com any idea?
[12:26] <lordievader> How does your configuration look like?
[12:30] <Pascal__> https://pastebin.com/Z9rwXJzc
[12:31] <lordievader> Do both addresses resolve to the same ip address?
[12:32] <lordievader> Else you need to add the (sub)domain as server name.
[12:32] <Pascal__> same ip
[12:38] <Pascal__> but when i type essen.vm-doku.my.domain.de ist shows the index of /var/www and not of /var/www_2
[12:48] <lordievader> And that is with the servername setting?
[12:50] <lordievader> Pascal__: What does `sudo apache2ctl -S` return?
[12:51] <Pascal__> https://pastebin.com/wmwK2Pa9
[12:53] <lordievader> Both vhosts are names localhost. Hence apache cannot distinguish them.
[12:53] <lordievader> Have you set the servername correctly?
[12:58] <Pascal__> this is my /etc/hosts : <IP_ADDRESS>	localhost <IP_ADDRESS>	vm-doku.eva.evapolda.de	vm-doku <IP_ADDRESS>	essen.vm-doku.eva.evapolda.de essen.vm-doku
[12:59] <lordievader> Pascal__: That is not what I asked for. What ServerName is set in the apache config of the websites?
[13:00] <Pascal__> for essen.vm-doku.my.domain.de is essen.vm-doku and for vm-doku.my.domain.de is vm-doku
[13:01] <lordievader> Could you show me your config again?
[13:02] <Pascal__> https://pastebin.com/7Vw9kKVC
[13:03] <lordievader> The ServerName needs to be a fqdn.
[13:05] <Pascal__> ive set that with fqdn ... now it says at essen.vm-doku.my.domain.de ... DNS-Name not found
[13:06] <lordievader> Is it a valid fqdn?
[13:07] <Pascal__> i think so, our (windows)-Dns has both forward-addresses
[13:07] <lordievader> Can you resolve it?
[13:11] <Pascal__> now, after reboot of the DNS-Server, yes but now i also become the index of /var/www at essen.vm-doku
[13:12] <lordievader> Could you paste the output of `sudo apache2ctl -S` again?
[13:13] <Pascal__> https://pastebin.com/FRKsFFJS
[13:16] <lordievader> Both do use a different config, 000-default.conf for vm-doku and essen.conf for essen.vm-doku ;)
[13:17] <Pascal__> yup i've pasted it together to reduce spam
[13:19] <lordievader> If you look in the access logs, do they reflect the right thing? I.e. when going to essen it is logged to access_essen.log?
[13:20] <Pascal__> but i've found the problem it was the <VirtualHost fqdn:80> after i changed that to <VirtualHost *:80> it works fine
[13:20] <Pascal__> but also thanks for your help :)
[13:21] <lordievader> Nice, good to hear :)
[13:46] <vimart> is ubuntu server 16.04 ready to run php,python  CGI?
[13:49] <lordievader> vimart: What do you mean exactly?
[13:50] <vimart> lordievader: to run simply scripts in php or python?
[13:52] <vimart> For example I'd like to have contact form on www
[14:01] <lordievader> vimart: If you install the necessary stuff, sure.
[15:40] <vimart> lordievader: I've noticed that PHP probably is comming with ubuntu server but I don't see python, what should I install to run python? cgi?
[15:41] <lordievader> Python (2.7) is installed by default.
[15:43] <nacc> lordievader: PHP is not installed by default either
[15:43] <nacc> lordievader: sorry, vimart --^
[15:43] <nacc> vimart: but python is
[15:44] <lordievader> Hence the 'if you install the necessary stuff' ;)
[15:45] <nacc> lordievader: yep, i meant in relation to vimart's last comment
[15:46] <lordievader> Yes, indeed.
[15:55] <jonah> hi, any friendly folks around that could please help. my server is taking a beating from a spammer/ddos. Not sure how to get things straight if anyone would be kind enough to lend a hand please?
[17:08] <tomreyn> jonah: still looking for help?
[17:18] <tomreyn> looks like both your hosting company website and its blog are online so i guess that's no longer an issue.
[17:37] <jonah> tomreyn: hey thanks, sorry i got a bit tied up there
[17:37] <tomreyn> i can imagine
[17:38] <jonah> tomreyn: it seems to have all come from backscatter, but on a large scale with clamscan going nuts scanning tens of thousands of email bounce backs coming in
[18:08] <sarnold> nacc: any suggestions for 1703752 ?
[18:08] <tomreyn> i see, so it was / is your mail server that was being overwhelmed. that's luckily a lot easier to fix than a web based ddos
[18:09] <sarnold> yeah if nothing else, "just turn it off" isn't a bad start
[18:09] <nacc> sarnold: looking
[18:12] <nacc> sarnold: i'll pick it up -- there seem to be a few bugs here
[18:13] <sarnold> nacc: thanks; normally I'm content to say "yeah bad php can use trusty" but if it's something we shipped anyway, it'd be nice to at least warn folks if it won't work. or something. :/
[18:14] <nacc> sarnold: yeah, we have done some fixes and iirc, i think my cursory usage did work
[18:14] <nacc> sarnold: so this is probably something > cursory
[18:14] <sarnold> somehow I'm not surprised roman would hit a 'logout' button that you might not :) hehe
[18:18] <nacc> sarnold: yeah
[18:18] <nacc> sarnold: i was more concerned with "does the UI display"
[18:18] <sarnold> "doesn't seem badly misfunctional"
[18:19] <nacc> sarnold: yeah -- which it admittedly was, at first
[18:20] <sarnold> heh
[20:07] <hehehe> https://www.vultr.com/docs/how-to-install-modsecurity-for-nginx-on-centos-7-debian-8-and-ubuntu-16-04
[20:07] <hehehe> does it work?
[20:07] <hehehe> or whats your setup for ubuntu 16.04 nginx and mod security
[20:38] <ahasenack> nacc: an opinion here, please
[20:38] <ahasenack> nacc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/1531622/ is it worth fixing for 16.04, since it's just a config change?
[20:39] <ahasenack> it's quite probable that dpkg will prompt about a config file change during the upgrade, so just installing the update won't fix it in all cases
[20:40] <ahasenack> but looks like people want it
[20:40] <ahasenack> got a duplicate bug even, for 16.04
[20:46] <nacc> ahasenack: i think it is probably worth pursuing -- not sure i follow the 'won't file in all cases' comment?
[20:47] <ahasenack> nacc: sorry, I dropped just after mentioning the duplicate bug, where is that comment?
[20:48] <ahasenack> nacc: that being said, the new option doesn't work :P (upstream bug)
[20:48] <ahasenack> the error was silenced, but the kernel messages also :P
[20:50] <nacc> ahasenack: your comemnt itself earlier: "... so just installing the update..."
[20:51] <ahasenack> nacc: I mean if the user made an unrelated change to rsyslog.conf, installing the update won't fix the broken config option
[20:51] <ahasenack> dpkg will prompt the user, saying the config file changed, and ask for help, right?
[20:51] <ahasenack> keep, overwrite, diff, etc
[20:52] <ahasenack> or are we expected to detect this in postinst somehow and fix it for the user?
[20:52] <nacc> ahasenack: it feels like something we should detect if it was a valid config before and now is not
[20:52] <nacc> ahasenack: is that the case here?
[20:53] <ahasenack> nacc: no, we introduced a bug when we changed how the klog module is loaded
[20:53] <ahasenack> we should also have changed how its options are set
[20:53] <ahasenack> what we have currently in xenial is a mix: new style loading, old style option setting
[20:53] <ahasenack> that's the bug
[20:54] <ahasenack> this was fixed in yakkety: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/1531622/
[20:55] <ahasenack> yakkety+ is fine (except for the upstream part: https://github.com/rsyslog/rsyslog/issues/477)
[21:00] <nacc> ahasenack: ok
[21:00] <nacc> ahasenack: sorry, i'm kind of deep in some git-ubuntu stuff. Your judgment seems reasonble to me
[21:00] <ahasenack> I'm just wondering if a config file change is worth for an SRU, given that the user might very likely be prompted to edit the file anyway during the upgrade
[21:00] <ahasenack> or maybe that's not so likely
[21:01] <nacc> ahasenack: it might be worth an e-mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss if you can't decide (or ubuntu-devel)
[21:02] <ahasenack> ok
[21:02] <ahasenack> it would fix new installs at least
[22:01] <trippeh> hum. acpid dropped /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn in artful because "since the script is a no-op when systemd-logind is running and systemd-logind is now *always* running". this is not true as dbus is required by logind but dbus is not yet mandatory.
[22:02] <trippeh> Condition: start condition failed at Wed 2017-07-12 17:47:47 CEST; 6h ago
[22:02] <trippeh>            └─ ConditionPathExists=/lib/systemd/system/dbus.service was not met
[22:02] <braziercustoms> First time I've been back to this snap install conjure-up --edge and every time I run conjure-up.lxc list I get different results showing different status for all. Sometimes have up sometimes not...
[22:03] <nacc> stokachu: --^
[22:03] <sarnold> trippeh: how'd you get a system without dbus? I thoguht that was basically mandatory in order to use systemd for init
[22:04] <trippeh> sarnold: these images are built using debootstrap, very similar to ubuntu base or whatever it is called nowadays
[22:04] <trippeh> most of systemd works fine without dbus
[22:04] <stokachu> braziercustoms: I bet if you run journalctl -f you'll see snap services restarting..
[22:04] <stokachu> I'm not sure why that happens though
[22:05] <trippeh> I may just give in and start adding dbus, even if I'm not stoked about the attack surface ;)
[22:06] <sarnold> trippeh: aha
[22:06] <braziercustoms> :/  looks like it is
[22:08] <trippeh> then again if someone gets access to these vms in a manner that gives access to dbus it is usually game over anyway
[22:08]  * trippeh scratches beard
[22:09] <braziercustoms> Stokatchu it is :/   how is this setup started?
[22:10] <stokachu> There are snap services in /etc/systemd
[22:11] <braziercustoms> Stokachu how many?
[22:13] <trippeh> (I also realize using debootstrap means I'm mostly on my own :p)
[22:14] <trippeh> oh well *adds the powerbtn stuff back using ansible*
[22:15] <trippeh> it is just some config files after all
[22:17] <braziercustoms> Stokatchu I'm sure you are familiar with the errors. But I got "Not restarting into /snap/core/current/usr/snap/bin/snap" older than error.. flooding
[22:26] <braziercustoms> And kernel audit about apparmor profile does not exist for neutron agents. Why didn't it do this after first reboot?
[22:27] <trippeh> sarnold: even networkd works without dbus ;)
[22:27] <sarnold> trippeh: ha :D
[22:53] <braziercustoms> Stokatchu I can't proof of concept on the "proof of concept version" :D
[23:08] <braziercustoms> Stokatchu it stabilizes? It seems to have stopped... how can I follow this issue?


[13:13] <ChinnoDog> Morning
[15:42] <marcoceppi> o/
[16:22] <adom> afternoon
[16:23] <adom> hey marcoceppi, I was wondering something...you mentioned how Ubuntu likes you Canonical employees to use the latest distros, do they also prefer you to use Unity?
[16:24] <adom> Like, if you decided to use cairo-dock or fluxbox or something else, would they be unhappy?
[16:24] <adom> just curious
[16:25] <marcoceppi> adom: we're "mandated" to use the latest development release, but we can use whatever operating system/DE we like. I know a few who run KDE and others who customize everything
[16:26] <marcoceppi> it depends on the team you're on. The desktop/community team area almost always running unit/ubuntu+1 from the get go. Typically around beta1/beta2 most of the other tech teams move to saucy to provide feedback and testing
[16:27] <adom> you're supposed to use the latest dev release, but you can use a different OS? don't think I understand your wording. could you clarify?
[16:27] <adom> please and thanks
[16:48] <marcoceppi> adom: check pm
[16:58] <adom> got it thanks
[19:03] <ChinnoDog> marcoceppi: The other day you mentioned that Ubuntu laptops are hot items in foreign markets. Which ones? How much market share?
[20:55] <marcoceppi> India and China iirc. not sure market share
[21:48] <marcoceppi> adom: ChinnoDog more information on the release date for Solaptop https://plus.google.com/109344265064351301756/posts/1F8DG57aBUy
[23:39] <ChinnoDog> interesting
[23:49] <ChinnoDog> What is the cheapest Ubuntu laptop out there? I got the IT guy at work interested in Ubuntu today while showing him how to issue the secure erase command on a hard disk. He commented that it must require special hardware, to which my response that commodity hardware usually works best didn't seem to help much.
[23:49] <ChinnoDog> Would be cool if I could point noobs to a cheap piece of hardware for learning Ubuntu.


[00:01] <oerheks> https://serverfault.com/a/987753
[00:02] <sarnold> configuring the cloud-init datasource probably wouldn't disable the google guest agent from creating an ubuntu user
[00:02] <FurretUber> I get the user I want right. However, it creates the extra ubuntu user (it exists on default image, then is remove by the runcmd I defined, then is recreated later).
[00:05] <sarnold> there's something kinda funny / cute about google-guest-agent getting an "update whenever" exception and never actually updating the thing in any release https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-guest-agent
[00:09] <oerheks> set it up right?
[00:24] <blackboxsw> FurretUber: do you have example userdata that is safe for us to read that you can paste to us to confirm behavior from cloud-init side? From reading google-guest-agent code, it looks like GGA pulls usernames out of /var/lib/google/google_users
[00:27] <blackboxsw> which may shed light on why GGA is creating that user itself instead of cloud-init. And GGA runs in the init stage at the same time as cloud-init's runcmd, so there also may be races that GGA runs after cloud-init's runcmd finishes .
[00:28] <blackboxsw> to check cloud-init userdata on your system `sudo cloud-init query userdata` (but I presume you have a "users:" in your #cloud-config  that specifically omits `- default`  which is what cloud-init would have used to create the default "ubuntu" user
[00:34] <FurretUber> Ok, this seems to show the relevant bits: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FkBr9mNs8y/ veryrandomusername does exist in the end of the process, but ubuntu is there too. Looking it again, maybe it's the SSH key?
[00:34] <blackboxsw> given your journalctl -b 0 output it does look like you've already found the culprit as google-guest-agent there w/ it's default google_users list. https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/google-guest-agent/tree/google_guest_agent/non_windows_accounts.go?h=ubuntu/jammy#n125
[00:35] <sarnold> oho, I didn't expect a code browser..
[00:35] <blackboxsw> +1 your users: values indicate as you said already, ubuntu (default) user won't be created by cloud-init, this is purely contained in google-guest-agent working
[00:37] <blackboxsw> google's guest agent does their own provisioning of users outside of cloud-init and neither communicate with each other. so while your runcmd is "good" it still will only be run once, and GGA will continue to recreat users based on the contents of /var/lib/google/google_users I **think**
[00:38] <blackboxsw> I don't know offhand what delivers that file contents.
[00:39] <FurretUber> I was grepping the source code and got to that part  now
[00:39] <FurretUber> Well, I can try to create a file there with the username I want
[00:41] <FurretUber> If it runs after userdata, then write_files should finish first
[00:41] <blackboxsw> shoot sorry I have to bail for the weekend. will peek later
[00:41] <blackboxsw> will checkin later and respond when I can. take care all
[00:41] <FurretUber> You helped me a lot here, thank you
[00:50] <blackboxsw> also yeah quick check on source code is easily available via `snap install git-ubuntu; git-ubuntu clone google-guest-agent; cd google-guest-agent git checkout pkg/ubuntu/jammy`  or any other series folks are on if folks hadn't used git-ubuntu before
[00:51] <blackboxsw> saw some old references to image processes that seeded that /var/lib file with contents https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/compute-image-packages/issues/381. not sure if relevant. ok promise I'm gone now
[02:00] <FurretUber> I found what happened: there is a project-wide metadata SSH key which is from a container with gcloud where the user is called ubuntu
[02:01] <FurretUber> So it was transferring that key. I'm sorry
[02:01] <sarnold> \o/
[02:01] <sarnold> thanks for reporting back :)


[01:12] <Morpheaus> looks like the wifi icon in today's update is broken - nice :)
[01:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Morpheaus: What does it look like? (imagebin)
[01:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Mine looks just fine.
[01:15] <Morpheaus> hmm - one sec
[01:17] <Morpheaus> http://imagebin.org/253809
[01:18] <Morpheaus> I'm connected right now - it just doesn't show as connected - I also tried cycling NetworkManager (killed ID and then restarted it) - still same effect
[01:18] <Morpheaus> not that it's critical - just different and started today...
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> That could be anything...
[01:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Sometimes I'm connected to (none) and it still gets me places
[01:19] <Morpheaus> SonikkuAmerica, any places you'd recommend to start?  I can go from there and dig in...
[01:19] <Morpheaus> heh
[01:19] <SonikkuAmerica> You might file a bug concerning network-manager
[01:19] <SonikkuAmerica> in Launchpad
[01:21] <Morpheaus> that's what I'll do - thx
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> yw
[01:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Btw - I've heard all this hype about killing off Gwibber for this new Friends thing... I can't seem to find it.
[01:24] <Morpheaus> https://launchpad.net/friends
[01:25] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: install friends-app
[01:26] <SonikkuAmerica> got it, thx
[01:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Glad we have so many people spread out across all the flavors.
[01:27] <Morpheaus> I'm going to have to play with that as well - looks interesting :)
[01:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Apparently it doesn't work with Twitter... yet.
[01:32] <SonikkuAmerica> :\
[01:33] <trism> it kind of works...I got notifications for all the tweets but nothing showed up in the friends-app
[01:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Ditto here.
[02:19] <nurow> how difficult is it to upgrade from Ubuntu 13.04 beta 2 to the final release?
[02:19] <nurow> I need to re-install ubuntu, and am trying to decide if I should install that or 12.10.
[02:21] <Kow> once you are using 13.04 there is nothing you need to do to upgrade to the final release, just make sure you are installing the updates through the update manager
[02:21] <Kow> nurow: see above
[02:35] <nurow> Thanks Kow
[03:36] <Morpheaus> great - just borked my glx setup
[03:36] <Morpheaus> wish they had nvidia 319.12 in raring as an experimental package :(
[03:37] <Morpheaus> looks like back to nvidia-current :(
[03:50] <wilee-nilee> Morpheaus, have you looked in the ppa?
[03:50] <wilee-nilee> not sure if raring is there I will look
[03:54] <wilee-nilee> Morpheaus, https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=nvidia
[03:55] <wilee-nilee> I think you know the drill. ;)
[05:13] <Morpheaus> wilee-nilee, thanks so much!  I'll check it out :)
[08:30] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:19] <mako_> anyone has succesfully installed vmware player 4 or 5 on (l)ubuntu 13.04?
[12:19] <xzcvczx> whats the error?
[12:19] <mako_> theres nothing but errors :P
[12:20] <mako_> moment
[12:20] <xzcvczx> during the install or when you try to run it?
[12:20] <xzcvczx> as theres multiple points to the install and one of them is building the required kernel modules
[12:20] <mako_> on case of version 4, when i try to run it
[12:20] <mako_> it says cannot find kernel header files
[12:20] <mako_> and i have them installed
[12:20] <xzcvczx> mako_: are you sure you have the ones for the kernel you are currently running
[12:20] <mako_> and when i look at the logs
[12:20] <xzcvczx> uname -a
[12:20] <mako_> yes i am
[12:21] <xzcvczx> ok
[12:21] <mako_> /tmp/vmware-mako/modconfig-4693.log is full of errors too
[12:21] <xzcvczx> pastebin it
[12:23] <mako_> http://pastebin.com/dKpa5CgF
[12:24] <xzcvczx> try locate version.h and see whether one exists in /lib
[12:26] <mako_> http://pastebin.com/t7S6L7T2
[12:29] <mako_> i would be perfectly happy with virtualbox but it cannot use more than 1 core for guest os on my laptop, and i read forum post about similar situation and that guy was able to run 2 cores on vmware
[12:29] <mako_> so yeah..
[12:29] <mako_> trying to make vmware to work now :/
[12:30] <jtaylor> multiple cores works for me with vbox
[12:30] <mako_> it is because of this cpu i have
[12:30] <mako_> atleast thats what i read
[12:31] <jtaylor> how would the cpu matter for this?
[12:31] <mako_> dunno
[12:31] <mako_> it does not have some virtual crap support
[12:31] <jtaylor> hardware virtualization?
[12:31] <xzcvczx> then you can only run single core in both vmware and xbox
[12:31] <xzcvczx> vbox
[12:31] <jtaylor> so its an atom cpu?
[12:32] <mako_> lemme find the post
[12:32] <xzcvczx> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:32] <mako_> no, core2duo
[12:32] <xzcvczx> and pastebin it
[12:32] <jtaylor> you could try kvm/qemu
[12:32] <jtaylor> afk a few minutes
[12:33] <mako_> http://pastebin.com/ZDBLksRH
[12:33] <xzcvczx> nah kvm won't work with a cpu without required virtualization stuff
[12:33] <xzcvczx> mako_: have you enabled virtualization in bios?
[12:33] <mako_> honestly, i have no idea :)
[12:34] <mako_> i'll reboot and go check..
[12:34] <mako_> brb
[12:34] <xzcvczx> cool
[12:34] <alankila> ... should have mentioned it's also required to poweroff the machine if there is a toggle in bios.
[12:34] <alankila> the cpu goes into virtualization-off mode for as long time as it has power once that switch is triggered.
[12:35] <xzcvczx> haha woops, oh well
[12:35] <xzcvczx> i only have an atom so i don't have hardware virt to know that
[12:36] <xzcvczx> although cpuinfo claims i have hardware virt
[12:41] <mako_> hi again
[12:41] <xzcvczx> wb
[12:41] <xzcvczx> find it?
[12:41] <mako_> yes, and was disabled :)
[12:42] <mako_> gonna test virtualbox again now
[12:42] <mako_> with 2 cores
[12:42] <xzcvczx> ok, alankila says you need to power off after changing that setting
[12:42] <alankila> you need to poweroff the cpu once you change this setting
[12:42] <mako_> ah
[12:42] <alankila> it remembers the state, it's a security feature
[12:42] <xzcvczx> so shutdown and come back and we will see you soon :)
[12:42] <mako_> brb again then :p
[12:42] <xzcvczx> sorry
[12:44] <xzcvczx> alankila: whu is it a security feature?
[12:44] <xzcvczx> why*
[12:45] <xzcvczx> hmmm can you even assign multiple cores when you only have a dual core?
[12:45] <xzcvczx> wb
[12:45] <mako_> thanks, 2 cores works on virtualbox now
[12:45] <mako_> :)
[12:46] <mako_> so f*ck vmware
[12:46] <mako_> thanls for help guys
[12:46] <mako_> thanks*
[12:46] <xzcvczx> ok all good :)
[13:13] <bekks> xzcvczx: No, you cant asign more cores than you have physically. And assigning all cores is pretty pointless too. You should leave one core for the host OS, always.
[13:14] <xzcvczx> thats what i was thinking
[13:17] <alankila> xzcvczx: there was a belief in threat of hypervisor malware, which is completely indetectable to the host OS if competently engineered.
[13:18] <alankila> the idea that virus would be able to enable virtualization and completely vanish from sight of the host operating system was a cause of worry, so bioses disabled it and cpus shipped with feature that prevented enabling it programmatically later
[13:18] <xzcvczx> ah ok
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> http://linuxaria.com/pills/how-to-scan-linux-for-vulnerabilities-with-lynis?lang=en
[13:20] <xzcvczx> i have only once seen a rootkit on linux, and it had left all the install stuff in /tmp so was easy enough to uninstall, i highly recommended that the owner reinstall anyway though
[13:29] <ThomasM_> So much people talking in #ubuntu
[13:30] <ThomasM_> Is someone here who nows how to create a working symlink for ttyUSB devices with udev rules?
[13:30] <ThomasM_> knows
[13:31] <ThomasM_> tried a lot different rules but didnt get it to run
[13:31] <ThomasM_> Everything work fine for ttyACM devies or video* devices but not for the ttyUSB devices
[13:33] <ThomasM_> This rule works:
[13:33] <ThomasM_> KERNEL=="ttyACM[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1546", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01a6", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyGPS"
[13:34] <ThomasM_> and this one does not:
[13:34] <ThomasM_> KERNEL=="ttyUSB[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTR{idVendor}=="0403", ATTR{idProduct}=="6001", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyRoboclaw"
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> ThomasM_  what's the output of lsb_release -sd ?
[13:40] <xubuntu072> hi .. do any of you use the new 319 drivers from nvidia with ubuntu?
[13:43] <xubuntu072> noone?
[14:05] <ThomasM_> MonkeyDust sorry for the löate answer but dindt thought somebody writes back
[14:05] <ThomasM_> it is Ubuntu 12.10
[14:05] <ThomasM_> its very strange because the ttyACM rule works but the ttyUSB dont
[14:08] <MonkeyDust> ThomasM_  this is the channel for 13.04, which is not ready yet
[14:08] <MonkeyDust> !work | ThomasM_
[14:10] <MonkeyDust> ThomasM_  better ask in #ubuntu
[14:11] <ThomasM_> I tried to ask in ubuntu but its not possible to put there all information about what i tried
[14:11] <ThomasM_> because to many people are talking
[14:11] <ThomasM_> SO i have more informations not only its not working
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> ThomasM_  then put it in one line
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> ThomasM_  but not here, go to #ubuntu
[14:12] <ThomasM_> okay thanks i try it again in #ubuntu
[14:12] <MonkeyDust> ThomasM_  in one line
[14:39] <ThomasM> MonkeyDust do you have any other options, I cannot post the line it seems that it hast to much character
[15:12] <johnjohn1011> why doesn't ubuntu use systemd yet?
[15:12] <xzcvczx> johnjohn1011: why should it
[15:13] <johnjohn1011> isn't it an improvement on the old init system?  I was just curious.
[15:13] <xzcvczx> on sysvinit sure, but potentially not on upstart
[15:13] <xzcvczx> which ubuntu uses
[15:14] <johnjohn1011> oh, i didn't know about upstart.  i'm educating myself in this area, so excuse my lack of knowledge.
[16:41] <deusr> hello!
[16:41] <deusr> someone one here?
[16:42] <IdleOne> !br
[16:48] <SonikkuAmerica> IdleOne: ? How do you know deusr speaks Portuguese?
[16:51] <deusr> SonikkuAmerica, Sorry, I wrote wrong! staff ubuntu does not know how to solve a simple thing that I still do not know why it does not work in ubuntu.
[16:51] <IdleOne> SonikkuAmerica: from his host
[16:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh.
[16:51] <IdleOne> deusr: what is the problem you are having?
[16:51] <fsapo> Hi, in the wiki says that chrome is built with a different lib than 13.04 and we should use chromium istead. is it an issue or the wiki is outdated? ppl are saying the chrome is working just fine
[16:51] <fsapo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview
[16:51] <SonikkuAmerica> (Maybe I need to run more whois's.)
[16:53] <deusr> IdleOne, ultrabook bought a samsung series 9 and am wondering configure the touchpad, because the default setting is horrible and ubuntu has nothing to configure. So configured in / etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics.conf, but it does not read that file!
[16:55] <IdleOne> fsapo: Google may have fixed it and the wiki needs updating. I am not sure about it though. If it is working now, GREAT!.
[16:55] <IdleOne> deusr: sorry I don't know how to help with that.
[16:55] <fsapo> IdleOne ok, I'll try it out then :)
[16:55] <Maiks> how is 13.04 beta with amd hardware? I can't even start unity with my 6850 graphics card with 12.10
[16:57] <SonikkuAmerica> !ati | Maiks, not sure with 13.04 but this page might help
[16:57] <SonikkuAmerica> I assume you're talking AMD Radeon graphics?
[16:58] <Maiks> I have a 6850 HD, 2 years old + or -, and if I install privative dirvers, unitry doesn't even start
[16:59] <Maiks> thanks for the link, i'll take a look
[17:02] <fsapo> Another issue with the docs, is that the download page links to this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles
[17:03] <fsapo> and this ImageWriter does not recognize iso files
[17:03] <fsapo> after a little search I found that ubuntu have a usb-creator-gtk package, and this thing is magic, it found by itself the disk image on my files O_o
[17:05] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: It works wonders... when it works at all.
[17:05] <fsapo> I think that this info should be on the wiki, instead of the ImageWriter which aparently doesn't work
[17:05] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: I'd use Unetbootin or just dd to the media.
[17:06] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: The usb-creator-gtk (usb-creator-kde) instructions are on Ubuntu's Web site.
[17:06] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica but the download page of the 13.04 beta, links to this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles
[17:07] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica which recommends using usb-imagewriter
[17:07] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: My guess is that was written eons ago.
[17:08] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica well, I guess it might confuse ppl downloading the beta, as it did with me, I have to google for an alternative as ImageWriter doesn't open iso files
[17:09] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: But most people looking for Ubuntu (with Unity at the least anyway) would wind up here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-desktop-latest
[17:09] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica had*. But usb-creator-gtk worked
[17:09] <SonikkuAmerica> s/have/had
[17:10] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica not if you google for install ubuntu 13.04, it leads to the daily iso download, which leads to that tutorial with the image writer
[17:11] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ this page has a link to the USB Image writting guide
[17:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, I hate to say this bluntly, but if all 6 img users care, we usually don't give it a second look.
[17:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Although I might ask why you need to install it from an .img file anyway.
[17:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Particularly if it's a mobile device; you might wanna try #ubuntu-touch
[17:14] <SonikkuAmerica> I have a friend, however, who put Ubuntu 12.04 LTS onto his Droid Razr HD... don't ask why...
[17:14] <SonikkuAmerica> I think he did it from an ISO
[17:14] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica sorry, i'm not following. I'm trying to burn the iso to a usb stick to make a clean install
[17:15] <netherlands6> Hi I just install ubuntu 13.04 and follow the tutorial mentionning windows 8 system with uefi and I created an /boot/efi and during the installation ask to put the grub on this partition but when installation done and restarting I got an error said that I have no grub
[17:15] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: Oh...
[17:15] <fsapo> and I'm just saying that the download page link is misleading, just it, but as you pointed out it seems just a problema with the beta/daily page
[17:16] <fsapo> but as this was the page i was lead to by google, I'm sure that it can mislead other ppl too
[17:17] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: I got here from the Ubuntu 13.04 Beta 2 page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[17:19] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica interesting, this page doesn't have a link to the usb image writing guide
[17:20] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: Try this page then: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/
[17:20] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica hum, so the problem is just in the daily build page, but unluckly thats the first result on google for "install ubuntu 13.04"
[17:21] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: I wonder what sane person wants a daily anyway, other than devs and testers.
[17:21] <SonikkuAmerica> s/testers/"testers that want Kentucky Fried Ubuntu"
[17:22] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica google just set me up then =/
[17:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Subliminal Googling
[17:22] <fsapo> :D guess I'll download the beta 2 then, you scared me out SonikkuAmerica ;)
[17:23] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: There's only about 2 weeks before it's declared mentally stable.
[17:27] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica well, if the interns at canonical aren't as destructive as the interns I work with, I'll risk the daily build... at my work last week an intern caused some damage with a SET NULL in an sql without the where clause and it was deployed in production. It was easily reversible but we made him panic before telling him that :)
[17:29] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: I would have given almost anything to see that reaction. :D
[17:33] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica man, it was hilarious, the guy goes home at 4pm, we told him that it has been already fixed at 6pm and he was still looking for a way to undo the damage lol. We fixed it in 5 minutes but didn't told him.
[17:34] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: They would do that to keep the grunts on edge.
[17:36] <fsapo> Poor guy, just 18yo. Hope he doesn't get tired of the bullying and hit us like the zangief kid... anyway, I'll install the daily, If not back means that SonikkuAmericamething was wrong... thanks SonikkuAmerica, cya
[17:37] <SonikkuAmerica> ^ O.o >>> SonikkuAmericamething was wrong
[17:37] <SonikkuAmerica> The heck is that/
[17:37] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[18:11] <bjsnider> fsapo, i think that workplace you are a part of is lousy
[18:11] <bjsnider> it's mean and cruel
[18:11] <bjsnider> and i don't know why anyone would want to work there over somewhere else
[18:12] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica, boot usb drive didn't work, partition is gone, windows doesn't boot and I don't have a recovery cd :) fuuuu
[18:12] <SonikkuAmerica> f7u12
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you use usb-creator-gtk?
[18:14] <fsapo> bjsnider, well it wasn't that bad for the guy, it wasn't something so important either but we couldn't miss the oportunity to pick on him a bit so he pays more attention next time ;)
[18:15] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica. yes but didn't test the usb stick and delete the partition, should have burned it to a dvd or at lest tested it :( well I ll just instal 12.10 as I have the disk and upgrade
[18:17] <fsapo> or use it to restore grub and burn a dvd :p
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> The SPCDVD would not be proud, but OK
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: Now why didn't you test the USB stick. O.o
[18:33] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica, blind trust on the usb-creator? :D
[18:34] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: No... Unetbootin would've done the dirty work though.
[18:35] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica, didn't know it, will try it out
[18:35] <fsapo> now I'm waiting dor the 12.10 install to finish ;)
[18:36] <quem> :)
[18:37] <quem> i'm actually happy with 13.04. it's working better than either 12.04 or 12.10 did for me
[18:37] <quem> i was beginning to lose faith
[18:37] <fsapo> SonikkuAmerica,  this things happens I drink some beers and nothing can go wrong lol hopefully I have time and still more beer :D
[18:37] <fsapo> quem, nice to hear. I
[18:38] <fsapo> heard a lot of ppl saying it that's why i'm trying it out
[18:38] <SonikkuAmerica> quem: I wonder if I'll have to eliminate Unity after the advent of Unity Next... I dunno if an Intel 965 could handle it
[18:38] <fsapo> I couldn't stand 12.1p
[18:38] <fsapo> moved to xubuntu
[18:39] <fsapo> hope I like 13.04
[18:39] <SonikkuAmerica> fsapo: That's why I moved to 12.1q
[18:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Now I has Raring
[18:40] <fsapo> lol sorry about the spelling it's hard typing on a touch screen :(
[18:40] <SonikkuAmerica> XD
[18:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ai thinkz of Ooboontoo Tutch
[18:41] <SonikkuAmerica> My big thing is to resist the urge to switch flavors every 5 minutes
[18:45] <fsapo> I don't switch much but when I do, I don't test the installation disk lol
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> But now that I have League of Legends configured in PlayOnLinux, I'm locked into Unity. (I do have Lubuntu 13.04 in VBox though)
[18:47] <fsapo> m
[18:47] <SonikkuAmerica> n
[18:47] <fsapo> I'm very excited about steam
[18:48] <fsapo> can't wait for l4d2 on linux
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm not. They need to fix their PPA! It breaks apt-get in its current state !!
[18:51] <fsapo> i'm unaware of this details but ths app itself crashes a lot
[18:52]  * SonikkuAmerica starts Spotify
[19:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Ack! Wine apps are appearing behind the top taskbar in Unity!
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> must say I miss the dual view (F3) in nautilus
[20:15]  * SonikkuAmerica gasps !!
[20:15] <SonikkuAmerica> I MISSED A FEATURE... O.o
[20:20] <bjsnider> MonkeyDust, it's not in 3.6 and beyond
[20:24] <MonkeyDust> bjsnider  this is 3.6.3, F3 dual view is no longer possible
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> and that's a pity
[20:25] <bjsnider> that's right
[20:52] <netherlands6> I have software error on dell inspiron 15R SE The system I have installed is: Ubuntu 13.04 beta2 (why 13.04 beta2? because I no longer have issues with graphic card or booting)
[20:52] <netherlands6> I have no sound and I have some messages popup on screen, is there a way to analised the OS and fix those error? in command line, a specific software? Please tell me how.Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[22:04] <sary> Salutations!
[22:05] <sary> I'm about to obtian a backtrace for X, and the GPU is Nvidia .. what is the correct dbg package name for X as in "  xserver-xorg-video-<name>-dbg. " ?!
[23:50] <markmcb> Anyone have an issue after a fresh install where the network repeatedly becomes unresponsive for 10-30 seconds … I've never had it before, but am noticing it with 13.04 Beta 2. Curious if there's known culprit.
[23:51] <quem> any updates regarding the skype issue?


[13:27] <teward> stupid question, but in 16.04 is the network manager actually unable to handle additional search domains being defined in a network profile, in contrast to standard 16.04 which permits adding them?
[13:33] <mgedmin> you used 16.04 twice
[13:34] <teward> mgedmin: thanks for pointing out something not relevant to the question being asked
[13:34] <teward> namely, in Ubuntu GNOME 16.04, editing network profiles for an interface doesn't let me set search domains
[13:34] <teward> in contrast to standard Ubuntu 16.04 network manager which lets me.
[13:34] <mgedmin> ah!
[13:35] <teward> the *question* is if this is intended, or is a bug in how the GNOME environment is vs. standard Ubuntu network-manager
[13:35] <mgedmin> now I understand the question, but I'm afraid I don't know the answer
[13:35] <jbicha> teward: try running nm-connection-editor if you want more network settings
[13:35] <teward> ahhh there it is
[13:35] <teward> jbicha: thanks
[13:37] <jbicha> sorry it's hidden by default because most people don't need two network GUIs and the one in the Settings app should be easier to use for most people
[13:41] <teward> jbicha: well it came up on Ask Ubuntu, and I have to force mine to be 'different' for the single Ubuntu GNOME system on the network because we're mid-migration for a windows-based network between 'domains'
[13:41] <teward> thanks for the info though.


[01:17] <Quantos> So I'm having an issue with my second internal HDD
[01:18] <Quantos> It automounts on boot, but I can't seem to access it
[01:18] <Quantos> It has my music collection on it, I need tuneage
[01:21] <ianorlin> Quantos: what filesystem is on it?
[01:22] <ianorlin> also what format is the music
[01:22] <Quantos> The music is in various formats
[01:23] <Quantos> Okay, just located it in GParted, it's an ext4
[01:25] <ianorlin> Quantos: did you have mulitple user accounts on that intenral hdd
[01:25] <ianorlin> also might be a permissions issue
[01:26] <ianorlin> or probably is
[01:26] <Quantos> No, I haven't
[01:26] <Quantos> How do I check the permissions of a drive?
[01:26] <ianorlin> no of the folders on the drive
[01:27] <ianorlin> or is the drive encrypted?
[01:27] <Quantos> It shouldn't be encrypted
[01:27] <ianorlin> does it mount in pcmanfm?
[01:27] <ianorlin> does it appear in /media/
[01:28] <Quantos> It shows up in the folder of Medai
[01:28] <Quantos> Media even
[01:29] <ianorlin> can you change to that folder
[01:29] <Quantos> Nope
[01:29] <Quantos> Keeps going back to home
[01:30] <ianorlin> Quantos can you try unmounting that folder?
[01:30] <ianorlin> and then maybe try mounting it in pcmanfm
[01:30] <Quantos> It won't seem to unmount
[01:30] <ianorlin> or is this on KDE ?
[01:30] <Quantos> This is KDE
[01:30] <ianorlin> this is #lubuntu
[01:31] <wxl> ianorlin: he's the madman using kde in lubuntu
[01:31] <Quantos> Yeah,
[01:31] <wxl> if it won't unmount it's probably a permissions issue
[01:31] <Quantos> It actually won't work in Gnome either
[01:31] <wxl> i'd open it all up with the can opener (terminal)
[01:32] <Quantos> Okay, I'll just partition it and restore from backup
[01:33] <ianorlin> Quantos: check the backups have it first
[01:33] <Quantos> They do
[01:33] <Quantos> They were made before I installed
[01:33] <Quantos> I'm religious about that
[01:34] <Quantos> Ah, got it to unmount, but it throws an error when I try to mount it
[01:36] <Quantos> Hmm, it gave me ext3 as a default option on the new partition
[01:37] <Quantos> Not ext4, would that have been the problem?
[01:38] <wxl> what error specifically?
[01:38] <Quantos> Oh, just that it wasn't able to mount it
[01:38] <Quantos> No error code or anything
[01:39] <Quantos> That's a sound that I haven't heard in a long time, the HDD is spinning
[01:40] <Quantos> Well, I can access it now, going to try putting some files on it
[01:42] <Quantos> Okay, now I get an error, it says permission denied when I try to copy a file
[01:44] <wxl> check permissions
[01:44] <wxl> check permissions
[01:44] <wxl> etc.
[01:44] <wxl> .
[01:44] <wxl> .
[01:44] <wxl> .
[01:44] <Quantos> It won't let me change them
[01:45] <wxl> sheesh
[01:45] <Quantos> LOL
[01:45] <wxl> what are the permissions that you know you want to change them?
[01:46] <Quantos> I opened the file manager and click on the drive, mount it and then right click the folder
[01:46] <Quantos> It won't let anyone but the owner copy files to it
[01:46] <wxl> yeah you should try doing this all in terminal
[01:46] <Quantos> I'm not sure why I'm not the owner
[01:48] <Quantos> And I do that in term how?
[01:48] <wxl> ls -alh /path/to/mountpoint ought to be fairly telling
[01:49] <wxl> to unmount: sudo umount /path/to/mountpoint
[01:49] <wxl> and to mount: sudo mount /path/to/device/file /path/to/mountpoint
[01:50] <Quantos> ls can't acess /path/to/mountpoint
[01:50] <wxl> um
[01:51] <Quantos> I'm not sure what I'm supposed to change that value too
[01:51] <Quantos> to even
[01:51] <wxl> to the place where it's mounted to
[01:51] <wxl> you can use the `mount` command to figure that out
[01:51] <wxl> as an example, i on my machine, i have a secondary drive
[01:51] <wxl> whose device file is /dev/sdb1
[01:51] <wxl> mounted on /foo
[01:52] <wxl> if you need to find out the device files, you can use `sudo fdisk -l`
[01:52] <Quantos> Mines sdb2, but I still don't know the mount point
[01:52] <wxl> mount | grep sdb2
[01:52] <wxl> that should find it
[01:52] <Quantos> No return
[01:53] <Quantos> No error either, but no return
[01:53] <wxl> then either:
[01:53] <wxl> it's not mounted
[01:53] <wxl> the device file is not sdb2
[01:53] <wxl> just run `mount`
[01:54] <Quantos> Hmmm
[01:55] <Quantos> In file manager it shows it mounted
[01:55] <Quantos> I don't see anything in term stating it is though
[01:55] <wxl> then it's probably lying if it's not reported by `mount`
[01:55] <wxl> remember all GUIs are a front end to those terminal tools
[01:55] <Quantos> Yeah, I know that
[01:55] <wxl> so if they don't agree, i would not trust the file manager
[01:56] <wxl> you can manually mount it yourself though
[01:56] <wxl> first make a directory somewhere
[01:56] <wxl> you could even do it in your home folder if you wanted
[01:56] <wxl> `mkdir ~/foo`
[01:56] <wxl> then mount it
[01:56] <wxl> `sudo mount /dev/sdb2 ~/foo`
[01:57] <Quantos> jas, brb
[01:57] <wxl> welp, i'm headed home
[01:59] <Quantos> Sorry about that, my pills make me sick sometimes
[02:07] <Quantos> Okay, it's letting me access it now
[19:56] <Ascavasaion> Whoop whoop... installed Lubunto onto an old Athlon 900MHz, 256Mb RAM, 32Mb Graphics, and 20GB HDD.  Runs at a nice speed once booted which takes a minute or two. only beef I have now is that the screen resolution is 640x480, and there are no other options available.  Now I know for a fact that that graphics card and monitor can do up to 1024x768.  any ideas?
[19:57] <Unit193> I'd stop x/lightdm and run  x -configure  to generate an xorg conf file.
[19:57] <Unit193> !xorgconf
[19:59] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: how do I stop the X?
[20:00] <Unit193> Switch to a TTY, `sudo service lightdm stop`
[20:06] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Taking forever to do anything after I authenticated
[20:08] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Okay, that did nothing... and now nothign works.
[20:09] <Unit193> Ascavasaion: After that returns to the prompt,  sudo Xorg -configure  and it'll give you a new file that you can edit and/or drop to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  To get the GUI back,  sudo service lightdm start
[20:11] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Does nto go to command prompt... it just freezes.
[20:13] <Unit193> Did it actually turn off anything?  ps aux | grep lightdm
[20:13] <Unit193> Ctrl+c it and try to flip back to tty7.
[20:13] <Ascavasaion> It froze, I had to hit reset
[20:13] <Ascavasaion> Even the mouse froze
[20:14] <Unit193> ...Did you open a terminal and type that rather than switching to a TTY?
[20:14] <Ascavasaion> yes
[20:15] <Ascavasaion> oops
[20:15] <Unit193> Also, you can change the boot options in grub adding 'text' to get to the same text prompt.
[20:15] <Unit193> Yep, that's the rpboelm,
[20:15] <Ascavasaion> I presumed TTY was terminal;
[20:15] <Unit193> Erm, problem.
[20:15] <Unit193> !tty
[20:15] <Ascavasaion> TTY?
[20:15] <Ascavasaion> Okay, thank you.
[20:18] <Ascavasaion> x-configure gives command not found
[20:18] <Ascavasaion> x -configure I mean
[20:20] <krytarik> Ascavasaion: Look again at the command given.
[20:26] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: "x -configure"
[20:27] <Unit193> X or Xorg
[20:27] <genii> !xorgconf
[20:32] <Ascavasaion> Sigh, no xorg.conf file in /etc/X11
[20:33] <Ascavasaion> i had this once before... when I tried dual monitors with two graphics cards... I eventually just gave up.
[20:33] <genii> If you did the x -configure, the xorg.conf file will be in the dir you ran that
[20:34] <Ascavasaion> genii: thank you :)
[20:35] <Ascavasaion> Let the Googling begin hehe
[21:02] <Ascavasaion> no luck... hehehe
[21:03] <Ascavasaion> this is beyond me... maybe it is just past my bedtime.  Will try agai tomorrow.  As it is no I have bombed it completely.  Deleted the xorg.conf file in home directoy and in /etc/X11, and startx does nothing.  *sigh*  night night
[21:03] <Ascavasaion> sleep well.


[08:16] <asdfasdasd> asdf
[08:17] <asdfasdasd> hello
[10:20] <doko> sbeattie, tdaitx_, gaughen: updated the transition document with the two outstanding tomcat8/9 issues
[15:26] <huehner> doko: what is the pending tomcat8? i assume the service file instead of redirect?
[15:26] <huehner> doko: apart is there a new timing for the -proposed -> -security copy?
[18:55] <tdaitx_> huehner: sorry, I missed your first question, it is related to LP: #1819721
[21:21] <huehner> tdaitx: the use-case from #2 should be possible to support i think kind of easily (of course not 100% transparently)
[21:21] <huehner> tdaitx: idea:
[21:21] <huehner> /etc/systemd/system/tomcat.service.d# cat override.conf
[21:21] <huehner> [Service]
[21:21] <huehner> EnvironmentFile=/home/openbravo/tools/tomcat.prop
[21:22] <huehner> then use that prop file similar to their tomcat8.local
[21:23] <huehner> note: just idea did not test that exact scenario they explain
[21:27] <huehner> away... now getting late here in europe (back tomorrow)
[22:09] <tdaitx> huehner: yeah, I agree, I have tested that locally and it works, but hard to tell if it applies to whatever they are using, I will have to comment on the bug


[03:00] <phillw> balloons: the guys are up for testing - Tests already landing :)
[03:13] <Patrickdk> ya, downloaded the images, going to test
[03:13] <Patrickdk> unless they respun already
[03:13] <Patrickdk> been alittle busy tonight though
[03:14] <Patrickdk> but got a brand new rack for my house
[03:14] <Patrickdk> with 80amps of power and 8 pdu's pre-installed :)
[03:14]  * Patrickdk wonders what to do with the 12 pdu's he already had
[04:15] <RedSingularity> Had an issue with the install of an alternate CD OEM.  What package would it be under?  Is it still ubiquity in 12.04?
[04:18] <RedSingularity> jibel: ^
[04:18] <RedSingularity> if your around ;)
[14:40] <absolutezero_> Do i need to reinstall (or updating -from iso of /03/21- by update-manager is enough) to test Beta2?
[14:48] <MrChrisDruif> absolutezero_; to test the iso's you'd need to zsync or download the latest version. For testing of the OS itself, that will upgrade automatically
[14:48] <absolutezero_> i already use zsync, but the iso I used to install is 2 days old & yesterday I updated it with the update-manager
[14:48] <absolutezero_> should I proceed with the installed & updated one?
[14:49] <absolutezero_> MrChrisDruif, ah, i got you
[14:49] <absolutezero_> thanks
[14:49] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[14:50] <MrChrisDruif> And MrChrisDruif isn't even a tester ;-)
[14:50] <absolutezero_> MrChrisDruif, hehe thanks
[14:50] <MrChrisDruif> phillw has talked about it a lot over at Lubuntu, that's why I know
[14:52] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: we are so, so lucky to have a group started from nil to our testers
[14:54] <phillw> absolutezero_: whilst the rolling updates are welcome, we do really need people to test the install.
[14:55] <absolutezero_> phillw, aha; i've been trying to help since 12.04 started, but my limited time & being my 1st time, i've been getting off. I guess I will test the iso 2night
[14:56] <phillw> absolutezero_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/210/builds
[14:57] <phillw> absolutezero_: it matters not if you are new to testing. It is for us to assist you for this most important part of the release cycle.
[14:57] <absolutezero_> I've been downloading the amd64 from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[14:58] <phillw> absolutezero_: that is great, you get the builds. For the beta 2 release candidate we are at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/210/builds
[14:59] <phillw> you can zsync etc.
[15:01] <absolutezero_> phillw;  thanks. I guess I'll be testing the manual partition install 2night
[15:03] <phillw> absolutezero_: thank you. we have notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing which we want to expand on.
[15:04] <phillw> there has been a lot of changes to testing, we are really flying by the seat of our pants.
[15:04] <phillw> but we have a new intake of testers.
[15:05] <absolutezero_> phillw, this is for Lubuntu; i'll be testing for Ubuntu!
[15:06] <phillw> absolutezero_: we are all the same family. Our notes from our new testers will become part of *buntu testing.
[15:06] <absolutezero_> phillw, aha, great :D
[15:07] <phillw> absolutezero_: the wiki area for us is based 99% on ubuntu anyway.
[15:09] <absolutezero_> phillw, thank you. got to go; have a nice day/night
[15:18] <robinmdh> I installed the 12.04 beta 1 image to see if the ext4 > 16TB issue was solved(as mentioned here http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.42) but i can't get it working, anyone know why/how ?
[15:25] <robinmdh> when I run the resize command i still get "New size too large to be expressed in 32 bits"
[15:41] <astraljava> robinmdh: I don't really know, but I am curious about the command.
[16:44] <jibel> njin, re bug 962949 it looks like a race condition but I couldn't reproduce it. is it always when you change the language or it occurs randomly ?
[16:46] <njin> jibel, hello, no today's it happens at the first start of the fresh usb-persistent live session, so randomly
[16:46] <jibel> njin, ok I'll try again with today's build.
[16:46] <njin> jibel, can I do something as I have it running  now?
[16:47] <njin> affect all the windows
[16:48] <jibel> njin, Do you reproduce bug 963815 on a fresh install or is it only on an upgraded system ?
[16:49] <njin> jibel, upgrade system
[16:49] <jibel> njin, ok thanks. I've the same problem on an upgraded system too
[16:50] <njin> welcome
[18:00] <njin> hi jibel have you reproduced 962949 ? I have it again after a reboot if needed I wait , if not I shutdown to do others tests...
[18:31] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[20:21] <robinmdh> astraljava: resize2fs /dev/md0p1 (no arguments given means make the FS as large as the partition)
[20:23] <astraljava> robinmdh: I think I read somewhere that you'd need an option that means to make the block size larger.
[20:29] <astraljava> robinmdh: http://hardforum.com/archive/index.php/t-1632911.html seems to suggest you can make a new FS larger, but can't resize an existing that, yet.
[20:53] <robinmdh> astraljava: yeah i was getting that too from other things i read, however it is stated on the link i gave you earlier that a onlin fs resize should be posible but maybe just not in combination with > 16TB
[20:54] <robinmdh> i'm going to try btrfs, again (the conversion takes ages with crc's but I have raid 5 so no real need for crc i hope :P )