 Oh what wonderful news, I am really pleased for them both. What a lovely picture 💗
[18:28] <Mamarok> congratulations for the re-election everyone!
 Hey thanks
 an email should probably be sent to the lists with the result
[19:25] <valorie> oh, I forgot that
[19:25] <valorie> thanks, RikMills
 I need to fix the mailing list email I have since I moved to protonmail.


[07:29] <slyon> TheGuestMovie, there was some discussion about using netplan at a bigger scope in Debian: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/09/msg00410.html – but I did not see a lot of activity in the RH family recently.
[07:30] <slyon> The default renderer (if you don't specify any) is systemd-networkd, which is usually a good choice, especially for relatively static configurations. If you have special constraints, like configuring wwan modems or hopping many different wifi networks, the NetworkManager renderer might be a better choice


[09:57] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[09:58] <darkxst> does ubuntu use a custom region applet in g-c-c still?
[09:59] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, yes i think so
[10:01] <darkxst> ok, trying to fix region stuff for g-c-c 3.8, which is mostly ok, except for how people would install new locales
[10:39] <ricotz> darkxst, ok
[17:52] <jbicha> darkxst: do you want to submit the merge proposal for gnome-control-center? do you know where the bzr branch is for it?
[20:59] <darkxst> jbicha, I could not find an up to date branch
[21:05] <jbicha> a lot of the desktop team packages are maintained as packaging-only branches at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/
[21:14] <darkxst> that seems to be missing the last update
[21:26] <jbicha> darkxst: oops, I pushed now
[21:29] <darkxst> oh, I must have been looking at the wrong g-c-c branch ;(
[21:31] <jbicha> so seb128 said to just make it a a recommends
[21:32] <darkxst> even though it causes a crash when its not installed?
[21:32] <jbicha> and I can take your other merge proposal and add it to the metapackage so that we can ensure people have it installed
[21:32] <darkxst> ah ok
[21:32] <jbicha> or you can ask him about it, he was still online a few minutes ago
[21:32] <jbicha> technically Unity users on 13.04 don't see that printers panel
[21:33] <darkxst> ok
[21:34] <darkxst> I thinks its fine to have in the metapackage anyway
[21:35] <jbicha> I was a bit surprised that s-c-p is still required
[21:36] <darkxst> yeh, guess they havent got to the printer panel yet
[21:40] <phillw> just a quick ask, are any of the TL's registered to receive emails from ubuntu-testing mailing list?


[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[21:37] <Ghost_Berry> hi
[21:37] <Ghost_Berry> how do i download ubuntu 12 server using wget please??


[00:07] <[reed]> micahg: around?
[00:53] <micahg> [reed]: now I am, what can I do for you?
[02:54] <BUGabundo> nite folks
[02:54] <micahg> night BUGabundo
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> ooh, b3 builds to prepare
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley, how are you?
[19:21] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey!  good, yourself?
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, good, but busy thanks
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> are you ok with the work items that got added to the default mail client blueprint?
[19:22] <m_conley> I've been keeping up with it, and I haven't seen anything that's shocked me yet
[19:23] <chrisccoulson> cool
[19:23] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: EDS integration is a bit of a pain.  The documentation is pretty poor.
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we don't really have good documentation for anything :(
[19:24] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, did you figure out if there is an API for creating addressbooks?
[19:24] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: there is indeed
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> oh, that's good
[19:25] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: but I haven't looked too deeply into it
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> the calendar stuff concerns me a bit. i thought i'd be able to convince everyone that it just isn't that important for most users ;)
[19:26] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: have you spoken with any of the Lightning developers?
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> not yet. i'm pretty busy already with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/FirefoxUpgradeChecklist/5.0 and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance
[19:59] <fta> chrisccoulson, do you maintain the translations of your desktop files in lp now?
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> fta - not yet. i'm not using lp for any translations atm
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> that's something else i need to do this cycle
[20:01] <fta> chrisccoulson, maybe this can help: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-tools.head/view/head:/desktop2gettext.py
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> it's not good that every blueprint assigned to me this cycle has Priority: High ;)
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> fta - thanks, will take a look
[20:03] <fta> it's standalone, you can translate just your desktop files in lp without anything else
[21:17] <BUGabundo> fta: chromium zoom is broken
[21:17] <BUGabundo> it doesn't remember it over restarts
[21:22] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: fyi, we put out the first 6.0a2 aurora builds today
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, i saw. thanks
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> i'm just preparing some builds too :)
[21:36] <bhearsum> cool!
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, maintaining a binary extension is hard
[21:42] <bhearsum> yeah
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> my code is full of ifdef's now so it builds on all branches ;)
[21:42] <bhearsum> is the Unity extension binary?
[21:42] <bhearsum> i guess it has to be to integrate at that level
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, that's the one i was referring to
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> i should try to get this merged in to core at some point
[21:44] <bhearsum> oh, upstream?
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> that was always the plan. i always hoped that this extension would be temporary ;)
[21:45] <bhearsum> i wonder how that would go over, we're not very great at dealing with distro-specific things
[21:45] <bhearsum> we don't even have any build or test infrastructure that could compile or run it!
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, i'm not sure. there's a bug open for it already though
[21:46] <bhearsum> oh, cool
[21:49] <bhearsum> roc seems supportive in that bug, that's good news :)
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i just need to find some time to actually submit a patch now :)
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> i'm hoping that i can base most of it on the extension i wrote
[22:01] <fta> micahg, Cced you to bug 789223
[22:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 789223 in binutils "ld.gold.real: fatal error: out of file descriptors and couldn't close any" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789223
[22:02] <micahg> fta: thanks
[22:04] <fta> micahg, we will soon be unable to build with the regular ld, it's becoming too big, hence too slow and makes the builders kill the build because they see no activity
[22:05] <fta> it used to happen on armel, now with ch13, it impacts lucid and maverick
[22:05] <micahg> fta: can we break it up into 2 sources?
[22:05] <fta> ?
[22:06] <micahg> build some of the components first and then build depend on them
[22:06] <fta> it's too big to link the final binary
[22:06] <micahg> ah
[22:06] <micahg> how does upstream do it?
[22:12] <fta> with ld-gold, hence my 2 bugs
[22:15] <micahg> ah, ok
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> so, oneiric will get a new tbird early next week :)
[22:30] <micahg> cool, TB 5 or 6?
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> 5
[22:31] <micahg> cool
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> hmm, thank you launchpad: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/2530390
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> no build log ?
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> useful :)
[23:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: usually means the buildd was killed
[23:51] <fta> chrisccoulson_, it's a known lp bug. i reported it several times, but as usual, nothing happened


[01:55] <bluebomber> So the USF computer store denied our request to collaborate with them on their first annual tech fair.
[01:56] <bluebomber> We wanted to show up and give some educational information on libre software and, of course, pass out Ubuntu goodies.
[02:32] <mhall119> bluebomber: the computer store *sells* commercial software at a profit
[02:33] <bluebomber> mhall119: Actually, they sell commercial software licenses </nitpick>.
[02:33] <bluebomber> X-D
[02:33] <bluebomber> Doesn't matter. I almost want to suggest they take a bunch of gratis Ubuntu CDs and sell them in the store, too. Something like $5 a CD, or whatever the amount. 100% profit.
[02:33] <bluebomber> :-/
[03:21] <bluebomber> mhall119: Do you think it a good idea to participate, if we're allowed?
[11:28] <mhall119> bluebomber: certainly, participation is always good
[14:39] <maxolasersquad> Is there any way to keep Empathy from losing spacing on retrieved IMs?
[14:39] <maxolasersquad> When people send me code, all of the indentation is lost, and it makes me sooo very sad.
[14:44] <mhall119> probably not, IM isn't the ideal way of transferring code
[14:56] <zoopster> and empathy is quite pathetic..although it's getting better
[15:01] <dantalizing> telepathy still rules
[15:01] <dantalizing> zoopster: what did you mean about strobe not supporting ubuntu as a publishing platform?
[15:01] <dantalizing> oh ... er.. morning all
[15:02] <zoopster> dantalizing: try "publishing" your app to ubuntu...your only choice is ios or android
[15:02] <dantalizing> oh
[15:02] <dantalizing> well isnt that their whole model?
[15:02] <dantalizing> you can publish to "web" too... just their web
[15:03] <dantalizing> but to use any of the ajaxy features you need to go through their (warning vendor lock-in) proxy service
[15:06] <dantalizing> wonder if you could publish to strobes "web" and then take all your code and wrap it in Titanium (python) to make a desktop app
[15:06] <dantalizing> hmm
[15:08] <mhall119> morning dantalizing
[15:16] <zoopster> yea, but that model is self defeating
[15:16] <zoopster> matt just sent me an email
[15:16] <zoopster> heh
[15:17] <dantalizing> lol
[15:17] <dantalizing> quit bashing us in public!
[15:17] <dantalizing> please
[15:17] <zoopster> and you could...do that...don't even need titanium do ya?
[15:18] <dantalizing> it would be all html
[15:18] <dantalizing> so however you would wrap that in desktop bindings
[15:37] <zoopster> I've seen a mockup of google calendar using pygtk
[15:38] <dantalizing> nice
[15:38] <maxolasersquad> mhall119: We often IM SQL queries, or small blocks of code back-and-forth.  No reason to not use IM for such a task.
[15:39] <mhall119> I can think of one reason
[15:39] <maxolasersquad> Security?
[15:39] <mhall119> whitespace mangling
[15:39] <maxolasersquad> Yeah, but only empathy seems to mangle the whitespace.
[15:40] <maxolasersquad> Which is my problem.  Pidgin, AIM, YIM, GTalk, do not mangle the whitespace.
[15:40] <zoopster> https://code.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+junk/google_calender
[15:40] <mhall119> well, then your choices are A) Use Pidgin or B) Patch Empathy
[15:41] <maxolasersquad> :(
[15:50] <zoopster> how funny... dantalizing the email from mjasay was a autoreply to the @strobe reply!!!
[15:51] <dantalizing> lol
[15:52] <dantalizing> sounds like we have a DOS vector!
[15:52] <zoopster> for sure
[15:54] <zoopster> ok well maybe not...it's from salesforce
[15:54] <dantalizing> yeah i'm missing that connection
[15:55] <dantalizing> alfresco->canonical->sproutcore ... no?
[15:55] <zoopster> twitter integration into SF...interesting
[15:55] <dantalizing> alfresco still rocks too
[15:56] <zoopster> that's his path, but yea...shows how the SaaS is more powerful than the on premise apps
[16:00] <dantalizing> +1


[02:07] <marcosroriz> hello guys
[02:08] <marcosroriz> I'm loving Ubuntu unity
[02:08] <marcosroriz> only problem is that I can't get gnome-do to work with it
[02:08] <marcosroriz> I'm loving so much that I'm using on my notebook 17"
[03:43] <marcosroriz> hello
[03:43] <marcosroriz> guys
[03:43] <nigelbabu> marcosroriz: the folks could respond to your query are most probably at UDS
[03:43] <marcosroriz> unity is so cool
[03:43] <marcosroriz> that I'm using on both
[03:44] <marcosroriz> my netbook and notebook 17"
[03:44] <nigelbabu> you might want to wait till next week to ask again
[03:44] <marcosroriz> ok
[03:44] <marcosroriz> ;)


[01:38] <johnlittle> yo
[01:42] <nixternal> hey johnlittle
[01:42] <johnlittle> thanks for the digg
[01:42] <nixternal> i really enjoy the blog page you did with the video stuff...excellent!
[01:42] <nixternal> no problem, it was well worth it
[01:42] <johnlittle> Thanks..wish I had time to do more..but it's a start
[01:42] <nixternal> ya, but a darn good start!
[01:43] <johnlittle> I hope it inspires a few people to make more videos
[01:44] <nixternal> hopefully it will, and maybe some pimpage on the fridge if possible
[01:45] <johnlittle> Ohh pimpage is good. That reminds me. I need to link the fridge
[01:45] <nixternal> i can see the potential for http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ to get absorbed somehow into the community...as it is good stuff
[01:48] <johnlittle> I'm open to that. Whatever works. I'd really like to see some create a series of official videos. I think that should be part of the marketing effort.
[01:48] <johnlittle> see some = see someone
[01:51] <Burgundavia> whiprush: you around?
[01:55] <johnlittle> I linked your blog as well nix. Feel free to suggest good ubuntu blogs of links for the site. I can add more.
[02:01] <nixternal> anybody on planet.ubuntu.com, universe,kubuntu.de and such..there are some good blogs there
[02:03] <johnlittle> Yeah I'll have to surf around. I;m reading Planet Ubuntu now
[02:11] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: there is a great deal of interest in video creation
[02:11] <Burgundavia> there was a comment on -ca over the last few days
[02:12] <johnlittle> That's good to hear. I've been pushing ubuntu on my political blog for quite some time (most of my readers dont care but..) and it's the videos that finally got some of them to switch,
[02:13] <johnlittle> Just talking about linux is too abstract for most people...videos cut through a lot of that
[03:41] <johnlittle> Very cool idea: http://moosy.blogspot.com/2005/05/powered-by-suse-linux-hot.html
[03:41] <johnlittle> Probably not worth spending money on (unless you're novell) but cool
[03:44] <nixternal> heh, that is cool
[03:44] <Burgundavia> I believe jenda did some stickers
[03:45] <nixternal> ya, but those are to replace the "Made for Windows XP" or whatever stickers
[03:45] <nixternal> give me a bunch of those, and i will have fun at CompUSA ;)
[03:54] <johnlittle> lol
[03:55] <nixternal> i already replaced the default home pages on the "CompUSA" network in Schaumburg Illinois to point at http://www.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <nixternal> it has been their default page now for almost 2 or 3 weeks
[03:56] <johnlittle> They probably don't now how to change it back
[03:56] <johnlittle> know
[03:56] <nixternal> thats what they get for allowing me access to their super secure Microsoft AD with Group Policies that don't work
[03:56] <nixternal> they work now however, cuz i fixed it...as a customer ;)
[03:56] <johnlittle> Bill them
[03:56] <nixternal> lol, i should
[03:57] <nixternal> however, i don't think my access was legal truthfully
[03:57] <Burgundavia> almost certainly not
[03:57] <nixternal> i didn't do damage at all..i made their policy work
[03:57] <Burgundavia> regardless, courts have generally not been favourable to those who do stupid stuff, even if it wasn't malicious
[03:57] <rjian> Hello people
[03:58] <johnlittle> hiya
[03:58] <nixternal> thats the truth ;)
[03:58] <Burgundavia> where is jenda again?
[03:58] <nixternal> i used to work for CompUSA as Tech VP a few years back...they could care less as it is..as they are slowly sinking away
[03:58] <rjian> hello Burgundavia
[03:59] <Burgundavia> nixternal: as in Technical Vice President?
[03:59] <nixternal> jenda is on a sabatical i think...he is out of town work related
[03:59] <nixternal> something similar yes Burgundavia...actually it is the Technical Department Vice Prez
[03:59] <nixternal> i had the midwest operations
[04:00] <nixternal> my business card says...
[04:00] <nixternal> Richard A. Johnson
[04:00] <nixternal> Midwest Operations
[04:00] <rjian> Hello Nixternal
[04:00] <nixternal> Technical Division, Vice President
[04:00] <nixternal> hi rjian
[04:00] <nixternal> that was a cool job
[04:01] <johnlittle> Get it baxk so you can secretly install ubuntu on all outgoing pcs
[04:01] <rjian> Nixternal: ur a Yechinical Division Vice President?
[04:01] <nixternal> i was
[04:01] <nixternal> now im a Ubuntu Hippy ;)
[04:02] <rjian> Nixternal: hmm really im also a beginners user on ubuntu
[04:02] <nixternal> funny thing i noticed though..is i left there in 2003/2004...and i don't see Linux at all on their shelves anymore
[04:02] <johnlittle> lol i mentioned ubuntu a couple of weeks ago and a guy called me a hippy
[04:02] <johnlittle> No linux at best buy either
[04:03] <nixternal> however, there are pics from Ubuntu Chicago placing Ubuntu CDs next to the MS Windows OS boxes on various store shelves
[04:03] <nixternal> we got Circuit City, Best Buy, CompUSA, and some other small shops
[04:03] <nixternal> Fry's sells Linspire at least
[04:03] <johnlittle> What we need is a CD in a plastic sleeve with a peel and stick backing..so people can attach them to magazine covers at barnes and noble
[04:04] <nixternal> people loved it that worked there, and promised to hand out Ubuntu CDs for us to customers
[04:04] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: that might be construed as vandalism
[04:04] <nixternal> actually, that is a job of the marketing team, as Ubuntu Australia LoCo has already been getting CDs added to magazines
[04:05] <johnlittle> Yeah..to clarify I was joking
[04:05] <nixternal> all the team has to do is email the magazine with info on downloading the cd, and getting the magazine interested in it
[04:06] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia is right there...we made sure it was alright for management that we did that
[04:06] <nixternal> Best Buy was the only place that wouldn't allow the CDs to stay, but didn't mind us taking pictures, as long as you couldn't tell it was Best Buy
[04:07] <nixternal> we did label the "GeekSquad" car with stickers though ;)
[04:07] <nixternal> that was deserving, i don't care who says it was wrong ;)
[04:07] <nixternal> so if you are in the Naperville, IL area and see a Geek Squad beetle, look on the back licence plate cover for the Ubuntu sticker
[04:07] <johnlittle> lol
[04:08] <nixternal> out little stunts however got over 100 people at the last Linux Install Fest at the College of DuPage this week
[04:08] <johnlittle> thats the thing about stickers...never know where they'll wind up
[04:08] <nixternal> s/out/our
[04:08] <johnlittle> thats an impressive turnout
[04:09] <nixternal> heh, you know how bands put their stickers on the taco bell, mcdonalds and what not drive through speakers?
[04:09] <nixternal> we did that as well
[04:09] <nixternal> ya it is impressive, considering there is usually 10 to 20 people at most ever show up
[04:09] <nixternal> I gave away a total of 120 CDs i think
[04:09] <johnlittle> any women show uo?
[04:09] <johnlittle> up
[04:10] <nixternal> actually, we had about 15 women total
[04:10] <nixternal> 3 or 4 were professors iirc
[04:11] <johnlittle> thats better than none
[04:11] <nixternal> ya, i actually found out via my x-wife about chicago having a "Linux Chix" club
[04:11] <nixternal> my x is in Linux Chix Washington, DC
[04:12] <nixternal> or is a Linux Chix
[04:12] <nixternal> i can't remember how that goes exactly
[04:13] <johnlittle> I think it'd be really cool to have a linux video series with a young female hostess...the typical linux is supposed to be the comic book guy fromt he simpsons
[04:13] <johnlittle> typical linux user
[04:13] <nixternal> hehe
[04:15] <nixternal> time for some Ice Cream!!!
[04:15] <nixternal> bbiaf
[04:15] <johnlittle> ubuntu has already made progress in addressing all the stereotypes
[04:15] <johnlittle> enjoy
[04:18] <johnlittle> Nice to see Ubuntu World leading the fridge poll
[04:21] <johnlittle> Does anyone know how the Ubuntu magazine will be produced - funded - dsitributed? I haven't seen much on the mechanics
[04:21] <johnlittle> Distributed
[04:22] <Burgundavia> no, nothing
[04:22] <Burgundavia> there isn't even any content
[04:24] <johnlittle> Producing a magaine..and getting it into stores..is costly and difficult
[04:24] <rjian> Burgundavia: Im planning to have a publication on our organization on school maybe ill be putting also there some Ubuntu News or something... hehe
[04:24] <johnlittle> man..i can't type tonight
[04:29] <Burgundavia> rjian: if you have anything, the fridge is always a good place as well
[04:30] <nixternal> interesting..jdub is doin' the moin thing
[04:30] <Burgundavia> nixternal: moin thing?
[04:30] <nixternal> #moin
[04:30] <nixternal> didn't see him join anywhere else
[04:31] <nixternal> actually..i haven't seen him online in a while
[04:31] <Burgundavia> nixternal: he is blinking in an out on #gnome-hackers and -devel as well
[04:31] <nixternal> figures gnome-hackers ;)
[04:33] <johnlittle> You got me thinking about icecream now nix
[04:33] <nixternal> it was good
[04:34] <johnlittle> Time to hit the coffee shop down the street for some pistachio ice cream
[04:36] <nixternal> ooh..i love pistachio ice cream
[04:43] <johnlittle> it's pretty tasty :)
[04:51] <johnlittle> I'm reading the Ubuntu Magazine charter - is it purely an online initiative?
[04:53] <johnlittle> I was thinking print but it appears to be a website
[05:02] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8
[05:08] <johnlittle> The Xubuntu artwork for edgy is looking sweet
[05:09] <johnlittle> nice job on the newsletter
[05:11] <nixternal> thank you, and thanks big time to Burgundavia and Jonathan Riddell!!!
[05:18] <johnlittle> I tweaked the "get Ubuntu" page to include some of those links
[05:18] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/get-ubuntu/
[05:18] <johnlittle> ahh think I will add planet ubuntu to the community links
[05:19] <rjian> wats the site about?
[05:19] <johnlittle> the one I linked?
[05:20] <rjian> yup
[05:20] <johnlittle> Ubuntu Video is a portal that collects interesting (I hope) ubuntu user videos
[05:20] <johnlittle> tutorials, demos, and stuff
[05:20] <rjian> wow nice design
[05:20] <rjian> ehhe
[05:20] <rjian> u make it?
[05:21] <johnlittle> Yeah - can't take much credit for the design - its a tweaked wordpress blog template
[05:22] <rjian> ah.. ok a blog templates hmm nice one
[05:22] <johnlittle> Only a few hours worth of design and code changes..pretty minor
[05:23] <rjian> yeah i also match the ubuntu site
[05:23] <rjian> :)
[05:27] <johnlittle> on your blog?
[05:30] <rjian> i mean ur blog also match on ubuntu website
[05:31] <johnlittle> I originally wanted to match it completely but figured that would probably make someone unhappy and I didn't want people to mistake it for something official
[05:33] <rjian> buts its a nice attractive website or a blog u have
[05:33] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: are you doing help videos?
[05:34] <johnlittle> rijan: thanks
[05:34] <johnlittle> Burgundavia" producing them myself? No. I going to stick to encouraging others to make them.,
[05:35] <nixternal> lol
[05:36] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: can you join #ubuntu-doc?
[05:36] <johnlittle> I can manage Ubuntu Video pretty easily but I'm not a video wiz and have a ton of other projects working right now.
[05:37] <johnlittle> I'm there
[05:39] <rjian> Burgundavia: can i also join?
[05:39] <Burgundavia> rjian: of course. all channels are open
[06:34] <johnlittle> wb
[06:36] <rjian> hello johnlittle
[07:42] <elkbuntu> who killed teh wiki?
[08:13] <johnlittle> Wiki si working
[08:13] <johnlittle> is
[08:18] <nixternal_> not any more ;)
[09:00] <adamant1988> hey all
[09:06] <johnlittle> Hi
[09:08] <adamant1988> sorry I haven't been about much guys, I've been pretty busy with work and all
[09:09] <johnlittle> I think everyone struggles with that
[09:09] <johnlittle> phone..bbiaf
[09:41] <elkbuntu> ompaul, ping
[09:41] <ompaul> morning
[09:43] <elkbuntu> you think i should create MarketingTeam/Research on the wiki and move the survey scope to that page, so research in general has a hub?
[09:43] <elkbuntu> s/to that page/to be under that page/
[09:45] <ompaul> I have a huge issue with market research - it is supposed to define a product
[09:45] <ompaul> we have a product - it is shiney
[09:45] <ompaul> we need marketing materials - stuff that informs people about what we have
[09:45] <ompaul> we have a wiget in search of a market
[09:46] <elkbuntu> we need to know what the marketing tool should pimp most
[09:46] <ompaul> now elkbuntu if you were beside me I would pour you a cup of tea - that is brilliant
[09:47] <elkbuntu> hehe
[09:47] <ompaul> that would be what I would call an end game
[09:47] <ompaul> in saying that, reading that comment last evening on the mailing list
[09:48] <elkbuntu> thats one of the priorities of the surveys though, finding what bits we should put under neon lights, as well as gather data that could be useful to not only us, other teams as well
[09:52] <ompaul> sorry but as you know someone here is getting on a plane soon last minute - please do jobs list -
[09:52] <ompaul> :-)
[09:53] <ompaul> the comment about get it through on the third attempt
[09:53] <ompaul> it is placing ubuntu in that space that will make the difference :)
[09:54] <ompaul> anyway I must be off
[09:54] <elkbuntu> ok, have fun wherever you're going
[10:03] <johnlittle> back..sorta
[11:41] <ompaul> traffic light, rain light, petrol up two cent on Friday
[11:42] <ompaul> 1.219 euros per litre
[11:42] <ompaul> enough already :)
[03:24] <Ckenyo1> Afternoon all
[06:12] <johnlittle> morning
[06:55] <adamant1988> hello everyone
[07:08] <johnlittle> Hi
[07:09] <troy_s> do you guys have any pamplets in the work?
[07:09] <troy_s> s/work/works
[07:11] <adamant1988> we could... I've ben so absorbed with my own pet projects lately that I haven't been doing much for the whole team
[07:12] <troy_s> has there been any development discussed on the list / group?
[07:13] <adamant1988> I haven't checked
[07:13] <adamant1988> I can look
[07:13] <adamant1988> I'm looking for pamphlet info?
[07:14] <troy_s> what i was looking for was some discussion on a cheap marketing brocure
[07:14] <troy_s> mainly focusing on what ubuntu can do out of the box
[07:14] <troy_s> as compared to commercial operating systems.
[07:14] <troy_s> brief -- easily scannable -- flashy looking brochure
[07:15] <troy_s> something that could be folded or used as a free take home sheet on a counter
[07:15] <adamant1988> I have determined through my own experience that pushing Ubuntu is requiring pushing ogg so that people see less out of the box incompatibility...
[07:15] <troy_s> next to a pile of disks...
[07:15] <adamant1988> If there's not one, do you know where I can get pamphlet templates for OOo
[07:15] <troy_s> not so much pushing ogg, but perhaps something like 'archive your entire music cd into lossless form' etc.
[07:15] <troy_s> no idea.
[07:16] <troy_s> full featured word processing, spreadsheet, etc.
[07:16] <troy_s> it would be lovely if we had something like that.
[07:16] <adamant1988> yeah, and that's followed by the end user going 'huh?'
[07:17] <adamant1988> that might do well for an enthusiast, but I didn't have a clue or care what lossless formats were before Linux.
[07:17] <adamant1988> most people I've talked to are the same
[07:18] <adamant1988> right now I have a decent little setup here.  I'm doing Ubuntu hardware tests and installations for $5 ($3.00 is for the Ubuntu disk that I give them, I donate it).
[07:19] <adamant1988> I also make sure they know that for a little over $10 a month they can get full call-center support for Ubuntu.  and I direct them on how to sign up for that
[07:20] <troy_s> um... hardly.
[07:20] <troy_s> creating a music library is the feature.
[07:20] <troy_s> and about 99% of the folks with a computer know that... etc
[07:21] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[07:21] <adamant1988> then that 1 last percent is mighty big.  People I talk to know how to create a music library, but they don't care about the format that much... as long as it works on their mp3 players.
[07:21] <troy_s> basically, all of the things one can do with a default installed ubuntu box without any further addition.
[07:21] <nixternal> pamphlets, flyers you name it there
[07:22] <adamant1988> so nixternal... how are you?
[07:22] <nixternal> busy ;)
[07:22] <adamant1988> things are coming to fruit here... I've done 10 installations in the last week :)
[07:22] <nixternal> nice
[07:22] <adamant1988> I haven't even set up the floor space, this is grass roots advertising right here.
[07:23] <troy_s> adamant1988:  done about 100 installs here.  it is pretty easy amongst peers if you refuse to support ms/apple.
[07:23] <nixternal> i have done a couple of lectures in the past week or 2, gave a class yesterday on Konversation, giving a class tonight on the same thing as well
[07:23] <troy_s> they tend to go to the easiest support class :)
[07:24] <adamant1988> oh yeah?
[07:24] <nixternal> working on "Switching from Windows" guide, forums to wiki stuff, documentation stuff, I am somewhat in charge of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, doing the Fridge now
[07:24] <adamant1988> I'm doing the tell your friends reward system
[07:24] <nixternal> it is getting hectic
[07:24] <nixternal> plus doing Edgy Eft Knot Release reports right now for Kubuntu ;)
[07:25] <adamant1988> Basically I'm saving up the money from what they give me and I'm saying "I'll help pay the cost of your commercial support $5 for every person who tells me you helped them switch"
[07:25] <nixternal> have you seen the billboard yet?
[07:25] <adamant1988> It's not a huge chunk but so far it's working enough
[07:25] <adamant1988> No, but Elkins needs one of those :P
[07:25] <nixternal> im working on bartering with the sign company here in Chicago for 5 billboards
[07:25] <nixternal> One will be Ubuntu in general, and then the other 4 will be... 1 for Ubuntu, 1 for Kubuntu, 1 for Edubuntu, and 1 for Xubuntu
[07:26] <nixternal> for 1 month they quoted me $15,000
[07:27] <nixternal> i figure i charge them $150/hour for "service/consulting" i can give them a 100 or so hours
[07:28] <nixternal> for $100,000 he would give me 5 billboards back to back for 1 month at the 4 major entrances into chicago
[07:28] <nixternal> that is a little steep ;)
[07:29] <adamant1988> billboards are expensive...
[07:31] <adamant1988> my methods seem to be working, everyone *wants* commercial support and they'll take any discounts they can get.
[07:31] <johnlittle> any thoughts about letting ubuntu users hit a paypal button and contribute to a marketing fund?
[07:31] <nixternal> can't do that
[07:31] <adamant1988> I think the goal is to be 0 cost, so can't be done
[07:31] <nixternal> you can contribute to the Ubuntu foundation though ;)
[07:32] <nixternal> i will barter 100 hours of my time easily for 5 billboards!
[07:32] <johnlittle> Thats a good deal
[07:32] <nixternal> you best believe my contact info will be on the bottom of that sign as well ;)
[07:32] <adamant1988> yeah if you can get $150 hr/ where you live
[07:32] <nixternal> i have charged more then $200/hr in the past
[07:33] <adamant1988> if you can do that I wouldn't stop after the the  billboards are payed off
[07:33] <adamant1988> I would kill to make that much 0_0
[07:33] <nixternal> most consultants tend to charge between $250 and $500 an hour now a days
[07:33] <adamant1988> how did you get to be a 'consultant'?
[07:33] <nixternal> i made myself one ;)
[07:33] <adamant1988> lol, did that require any certifications?
[07:33] <johnlittle> Same here..once you establish contacts it gets easier.
[07:34] <nixternal> anyone can be a consultant, as they are as useless as salesman..however consultant sounds better to most suits
[07:34] <nixternal> i have certifications, and all my clients know about them. they know about my degree(s) as well...but that has nothing to do with being a consultant
[07:34] <adamant1988> uh huh
[07:34] <nixternal> just a proven track record really
[07:34] <adamant1988> Well, so you 'sell' people what? ubuntu?
[07:35] <johnlittle> Yep..never had a client ask about qualifications. Their usually familiar with y work in other ways.
[07:35] <nixternal> i sell them my services...networking/systems admin, network design/implementation and such
[07:35] <adamant1988> Aha.  That's what I was trying to get at
[07:35] <nixternal> mostly deal with Cisco and Foundry products, and i do various server installs, i try to promote nokia/checkpoint packages for firewalls and such
[07:36] <adamant1988> I'm not much for doing the actual building of things, but I love to design lol.
[07:36] <nixternal> and i also sell services i could never provide myself, however i have friends in low places; )
[07:36] <adamant1988> uh huh.
[07:36] <johnlittle> I used to do quite a bit of tech consulting but now it's almost all marketing - much easier :)
[07:37] <adamant1988> Well, I'm more of a marketing, management, and accounting person.
[07:37] <nixternal> i can't do web pages and graphics, but i know people who can...if possible i will charge about $100/hr for those services, and split 50/50 with the person doing the work, or will even do 75 them/25 me if it is big work
[07:37] <johnlittle> My accounting skills are limited to calling customers and saying "Send that check yet?"
[07:37] <nixternal> rofl
[07:37] <adamant1988> Lol, I got called a software uber-capitalist last night.
[07:38] <nixternal> i got called an idiot, does that count?
[07:38] <adamant1988> mines just as bad :P
[07:38] <adamant1988> Is it wrong to think people should be paying each other for things?
[07:39] <johnlittle> my first comment on ubuntuvideo just came in...slapping me around for using flash..i guess I shoud have expected that
[07:39] <nixternal> if a client purchases hardware/software through me, they get pretty close to free support
[07:39] <adamant1988> if a product or service is provided that meets a need, then obviously there will need to be payment to cover expenses and make a profit =\
[07:39] <nixternal> ya johnlittle, i thought we slapped you around a little last night for the flash stuff ;)
[07:39] <johnlittle> not much i can do about it..go slap google and youtube :p
[07:40] <nixternal> hehe
[07:40] <nixternal> johnlittle: your little plan here, could lead to a "Google" or "youTube" clone, but for LINUX!!!
[07:40] <nixternal> making you a millionaire!
[07:40] <nixternal> lol
[07:40] <adamant1988> I think Ubuntu is heading the direction of CNR with it's commercial REPO.... I'm excited
[07:41] <nixternal> no flash, all FOSS/FLOSS...using like OGG and what not
[07:41] <johnlittle> An open source clone would be sweet
[07:41] <adamant1988> "if you build it, they will come"
[07:41] <nixternal> yup
[07:41] <nixternal> OpenTV
[07:41] <nixternal> there you go, get to work!
[07:42] <johnlittle> im the discussion sparker - you can be the do-er :)
[07:42] <adamant1988> Open source TV, so your kids can see violence AND get the source code for it :P
[07:42] <johnlittle> lol
[07:42] <nixternal> i cna't do no more currently, my plate is full
[07:42] <nixternal> haha adamant1988
[07:42] <johnlittle> yeah same boat - day job, clients, and my other projects
[07:43] <adamant1988> I'm pretty busy with my home grown projects
[07:43] <adamant1988> I have 100 Ubuntu CDs coming in the mail...
[07:43] <adamant1988> I also have a fedora disk coming, because I support red-hat even though they abandoned us desktop users
[07:43] <nixternal> heh, i have more coming i hope
[07:43] <nixternal> im almost out
[07:43] <nixternal> 1000 cds in less then 2 weeks
[07:44] <johnlittle> damn dude
[07:44] <nixternal> i am slowly getting emails in from people i have given them too
[07:44] <johnlittle> you are worse than aol
[07:44] <nixternal> lol
[07:44] <adamant1988> I wouldn't know what to do with that many disk... that is 1/9th of my towns population lol
[07:44] <nixternal> i am the aol of ubuntu right now
[07:44] <nixternal> CompUSA put an Ubuntu Display at their registers for me in Schaumburg, IL
[07:44] <johnlittle> nice
[07:45] <adamant1988> I'm talking to the local wal-mart to offer users an Ubuntu disk when they buy a PC
[07:45] <nixternal> the crappy part though, is that they said I couldn't attach a business card to them
[07:45] <adamant1988> since they refused to get linux ready computers
[07:45] <johnlittle> too bad there are hardly an independent pc shops anymore...those would be great targets
[07:45] <johnlittle> an=any
[07:45] <adamant1988> yeah it was pretty funny
[07:45] <nixternal> shower time!
[07:45] <adamant1988> some friends and I had the majority of Wal-Mart managment talking to us
[07:46] <adamant1988> We went in and were like "We need to buy 6 of this (most expensive computer model)" for a demo center and wifi-cafe we're setting up
[07:46] <adamant1988> But we don't want windows on them, we don't want to be charged for something we're not going to use
[07:47] <adamant1988> So the electronics person was dumbfounded.  called in a CSO and wash-rinse-repeat... by the time we were done we actually had the manager of wal-mart talking to us
[07:50] <adamant1988> they didn't give us the computers with windows removed, and they said there weren't any linux-preinstalled models available for them to put in the store right at the moment.   But there weren't happy about losing out on a 6,000+ dollar sale lol.
[09:13] <johnlittle> Interesting 42% of visitors to Ubuntu Video are running XP
[09:14] <adamant1988> ubuntu is getting to the point that it is synonymous with linux.
[09:14] <adamant1988> there is an interest in it
[09:17] <johnlittle> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+vista%2C+osx&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
[09:18] <johnlittle> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2C+suse%2C+redhat%2C+mandriva&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
[09:20] <adamant1988> I've seen those.


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[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, why is vivid still marked as "supported"?
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mosquitto
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> also precise
[09:15] <cjwatson> vivid was because phone, though can probably go now.  that would be on infinity
[09:15] <cjwatson> precise is like that because otherwise ESM would be a pain
[09:21] <darkxst> can someone please reject libgweather from zesty sru queue, I messed up the bug reference in the changelog
[09:21] <LocutusOfBorg> ok but I have a CVE to fix... should I prepare debdiffs for them too?
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[11:56] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I believe the answer is 'no', you don't need to worry about precise or vivid
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[12:15] <LocutusOfBorg> I guess so, thanks
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[13:05] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, can I cherry-pick this change http://launchpadlibrarian.net/179677049/dput_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3.diff.gz in dupload too?
[13:06] <LocutusOfBorg> s/can/should
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[13:46] <apw> darkxst, ^
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[13:56] <acheronUK> TY ^^^ :)
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[14:30] <apw> acheronUK, accepting those modulo our discussion
[14:31] <acheronUK> apw: thankyou. I will formally report that upstream and seek a resolution
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[14:53] <bdmurray> apw: Could you look at releaseing ubuntu-release-upgrader fixing bug 1692092?
[14:54] <apw> bdmurray, yep
[14:57] <apw> bdmurray, looks good, and released
[15:01] <bdmurray> apw: great, thanks
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[18:55] <slangasek> infinity, xnox, bdmurray: should the ddeb archive key be included in the ubuntu-keyring package?
[19:14] <Ukikie> LP: #643623
[19:15] <Ukikie> (I'd say so.)
[19:30] <infinity> slangasek: Maybe.  Or in its own package.
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[20:28] <slangasek> xnox: what's the purpose of SHA512SUMS.txt.asc in ubuntu-keyring source, given that the source package as a whole is signed?
[20:28] <slashd> For SRU, vlan pkg found in -proposed for T/X/Y/Z has a regression, a new fix (fixing the regression) has been uploaded ^^ in respective upload queues (with incremented version). So the new version can overwrite/replace the actual -proposed one.
[20:29] <bdmurray> wxl: I forget were you going to do some research into bug 1693038 and xubuntu?
[20:30] <wxl> bdmurray: sorry i dont do much with xubuntu. check with flocculant
[20:31] <bdmurray> wxl: Sorry I meant lubuntu.
[20:31] <wxl> been busy but i'll look into it eventually. ma want to check with tsimonq2 in the meanwhile
[20:32] <flocculant> bdmurray: is that for reboot after nvidia for example?
[20:34] <flocculant> if so pretty sure it didn't work last time I looked at that
[20:37] <bdmurray> flocculant: right, it'll only work for gnome and I'm happy to fix it but need to know what to use in Xubuntu / Lubuntu
[20:38] <flocculant> bdmurray: ack - then I would believe what unit193 said
[20:38] <flocculant> as it stands in Xubuntu I see absolutely nothing following installing nvidia
[20:40] <flocculant> well - all I could do is close
[21:34] <jbicha> gnome-user-docs & gnome-getting-started-docs were promoted to main but could we get all of their binary pkgs in main too for the other languages?
[22:10] <jbicha> so maybe we just need to add those pkgs to the supported seed?
[22:12] <cyphermox> how would they normally get installed? via langpacks?
[22:12] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: No, pulled via pkg_depends in language-selector.
[22:13] <cyphermox> yeah, that's pretty much what I meant
[22:17] <jbicha> or equivalent in gnome-control-center/gnome-software if we end up not needing language-selector
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[23:11] <bdmurray> cjwatson: Is there anyway to speed this getPublishedSources query up? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/view/head:/phased-updater#L581


[16:34] <teward> ddstreet has resigned form the DMB and Robie wants the factoid updated ^^
[18:51] <el> !no dmb-ping is <reply>rbasak, sil2100, teward, bdmurray, kanashiro, seb128: DMB ping
[18:51] <el> wot
[18:51] <el> why i oughta
[18:52] <teward> heh
[18:52] <el> !whoami
[18:52] <el> @whoami
[18:52] <el> very good
[18:53] <el> !no dmb-ping is <reply>rbasak, sil2100, teward, bdmurray, kanashiro, seb128: DMB ping
[18:53] <el> ok i treid
[18:53] <el> have fun
[19:50] <krytarik> !dmb-ping =~ s/ddstreet, //
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Dang, krytarik with the regex superpowers.
[20:02] <krytarik> Hahaha. XD


[12:05] <LaserJock> mdke: well it works fine in dapper
[12:05] <Burgwork> LaserJock, ubuntu docs are not really a target for backporting, so I wouldn't worry abut it
[12:06] <LaserJock> Burgwork: np, I was just booted into breezy and wanted to see the new stuff
[12:17] <Burgwork> LaserJock, true
[12:24] <Burgwork> mdke_, do you have connection issues or are you at home now?
[12:31] <mdke_> Burgwork, both
[12:31] <Burgwork> ah
[12:31] <Burgwork> I am tired and bored of work right now
[12:31] <mdke_> i always irc from my home server, so the connection is a bit dodgy
[12:32] <mdke_> my wifi keeps going down so I reboot the router and it cuts the connection
[12:32] <Burgwork> I am glad I live in a country with great bandwidth
[12:32] <mdke_> heh
[12:32] <mdke_> me too, but I need to take advantage by paying for some
[12:32] <mdke_> it's the damn router that is the main problem though
[12:32] <Burgwork> even the neighbours stolen bandwidth is good
[12:33] <mdke_> heh
[12:33] <mdke_> all my neighbours have closed APs
[12:33] <Burgwork> my neighbours aren't so smart
[12:34] <mdke_> :)
[12:36] <Burgwork> mediawiki 1.6 is going to get a WYSIWYG editor
[12:43] <mdke> moin 1.6 will be able to turn water into wine
[12:44] <mdke> actually that's a bit blasphemous
[12:44] <mdke> moin 1.6 will be able to turn lead into gold
[12:44] <Burgwork> right
[12:44] <Burgwork> moin is wonderful is some cases and mediawiki in others
[12:44] <mdke> nah, nah
[12:44] <mdke> that's far too conciliatory
[12:44] <Burgwork> developers need moin, we need mediawiki
[12:44] <Burgwork> becuase they target different audiences and make different assumptions
[12:44] <mdke> moin is good stuff
[12:45] <Burgwork> for developers
[12:45] <mdke> i'm not a developer
[12:45] <Burgwork> exactly
[12:45] <mdke> and I like moin
[12:46] <Burgwork> moin makes the assumption that those editing the wiki have another method of communicatin
[12:46] <Burgwork> an assumption which turns out to be wrong when you are dealing with documentation in Ubuntu
[12:46] <Burgwork> but perfectly correct for the developers of Ubuntu
[12:54] <Burgwork> mdke, would you not agree?
[12:54] <mdke> i don't think so
[12:55] <mdke> Burgwork, what do you mean by "another method of communication"
[12:55] <Burgwork> the talk pages the mediawiki has by default
[12:55] <Burgwork> and the functionality built around them
[12:55] <Burgwork> and yes moin can do *some* of that
[12:55] <mdke> I don't know mediawiki, but how does talk pages help for dealing with documentation
[12:56] <Burgwork> there is a cool thing where you can allow anonymous editing on talk pages but lock the actual article itself
[12:56] <mdke> ah right
[12:56] <mdke> seems sensible
[12:57] <Burgwork> as well as when you post a note to a users talk page on mediawiki, it tells them about it
[12:57] <mdke> seems sensible too
[12:57] <Burgwork> moin could have those things, but doesn't
[12:57] <Burgwork> moin also makes the assumption that content is more important than presentation
[12:58] <Burgwork> mediawiki assumes they are equal
[12:58] <Burgwork> again, an assumptoin that works for developers but not for documentation
[12:59] <Burgwork> a small example of this is the table of contents
[12:59] <Burgwork> needs to be manually created on moin but not on mediawiki
[01:00] <mdke> these are all bugs in moin IMHO
[01:00] <Burgwork> yes, but when will they be fixed?
[01:00] <mdke> when someone reports them
[01:00] <mdke> you've done that I suppose
[01:00] <mdke> so, dunno
[01:03] <Burgwork> mediawiki is not perfect either
[01:03] <Burgwork> we really need a method of publishing the docs
[01:03] <Burgwork> ie, two sites
[01:04] <Burgwork> a wiki on doc.u.c that is editable by all
[01:04] <mdke> mm?
[01:04] <mdke> ah
[01:04] <Burgwork> and then the finished stuff on help.u.c that is editable by only us
[01:04] <mdke> i've talked this over with henrik quite a bit
[01:04] <Burgwork> but has a talk page that can be edited by anybody
[01:05] <mdke> he would like that option, but I don't like it much, i'd prefer a wiki on help.u.c editable by all, and stable docs being restricted
[01:05] <Burgwork> but help is where we drive end users
[01:05] <Burgwork> we cannot have every joe blow editing them
[01:05] <Burgwork> by the time a doc hits help.u.c it should be mostly feature complete
[01:05] <mdke> i would have help.u.c with reliable docs
[01:06] <mdke> and help.u.c/wiki with community maintained docs
[01:06] <Burgwork> ugh
[01:06] <Burgwork> that is too confusing  to the end user, IMHO
[01:06] <Burgwork> and  their should be no seperation between our docs and "community" docs
[01:07] <Burgwork> s/their/there
[01:07] <Burgwork> there should only be drafting docs and published docs
[01:07] <mdke> well then you'll need to abolish the docteam repository
[01:07] <mdke> and work only in wiki form
[01:07] <Burgwork> not really
[01:08] <Burgwork> but this seperation between online docs and web docs needs to end, in some form
[01:08] <Burgwork> make that offline docs
[01:09] <mdke> well you'll have to abolish the distinction between online and offline then I guess
[01:10] <Burgwork> somewhat
[01:12] <mdke> abolish the internet!
[01:14] <mdke> Burgwork, I've uploaded a couple of drawings that me and henrik did when trying to figure out how to implement BetterWikiDocs, you can save them from that wiki page and open the with openoffice
[01:15] <Burgwork> ok
[01:15] <mdke> feel free to do one yourself
[01:15] <mdke> ok, --> sleep
[02:06] <mr4005> Hullo?
[02:06] <LaserJock> Hi
[02:08] <mr4005> Setting myself up with the needed software to contribute.  The getting started page says get docbook and subversion.  There are a lot of docbook pakages shown in aptitude.  Which are needed/relevant?  Which should be ignored?
[02:08] <mr4005> Subversion was easier, the choices are smaller and more decipherable.
[02:09] <LaserJock> mr4005: I think xsltproc, docbook-xsl, and docbook-defguide are good to start with
[02:10] <LaserJock> mr4005: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocBook is where I got that info at. I think that is all I have for docbook stuff
[02:10] <mr4005> Ah!  xsltproc was not found while searching for docbook.
[02:11] <mr4005> << off to read that page more closely
[02:11] <mr4005> Thanks, LaserJock
[02:12] <LaserJock> xsltproc is cool because it allows you to turn your Docbook xml into html
[02:19] <mr4005> or docbooks into html pages
[02:20] <Burgwork> night
[06:39] <Madpilot> hi rob1
[06:39] <rob1> hi Madpilot
[06:40] <Madpilot> have you seen my email about CD burning in the Desktop Guide?
[06:40] <rob1> no not yet, evolution is playing funny buggers
[06:44] <Madpilot> if I'm finding typos and errors in the desktop guide html, should I just start editing, crank out diffs, and send them to the list?
[06:56] <rob1> the html is automatically generated from the xml, but as for the copy on help.u.c go feel free to edit
[06:57] <Madpilot> yeah, just realized the html isn't actually in the svn - I'll start plugging away at the xml.
[07:07] <Madpilot> OK, I'm confused... what I've got in my svn d/l bears no resemblance to the filenames in use on doc.u.c...
[07:07] <rob1> thats because it isn't the same
[07:07] <Madpilot> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch02s03.html <-- where is this file, in the xml versions from svn?
[07:07] <rob1> no that was generated using xsltproc from the xml
[07:08] <rob1> everything under /build is generated when you run the makefile
[07:08] <rob1> (depending on what you want to build)
[07:09] <Madpilot> ... I think I need to go read some of the DocTeam "how we do things" stuff again, before I look even more clueless :P
[07:09] <rob1> in xml the desktopguide.xml file in that directory is the main file, which only contains xreferences to the other xml files
[07:10] <Madpilot> right
[07:10] <rob1> xml file layout != generated html layout
[07:10] <Madpilot> rob1: that's why XML makes my head hurt...
[07:10] <rob1> xml has stylesheets that determine how to break things up
[07:11] <Madpilot> ah, that Gnomebaker stuff is in common-tasks.xml
[07:11] <rob1> yep
[07:14] <Madpilot> gah... I know we've got good reason to use XML, but (X)HTML is just so much **easier**
[07:14] <rob1> nah, one you get used to xml its just as easy
[07:14] <rob1> it just has a lot more features that you can use
[07:14] <rob1> when I say xml, I mean docbook xml
[09:09] <mdke_> ah, Madpilot, awesome news that you're starting to get into the docs
[09:10] <mdke_> rob1, you didn't reply to my 10 thousand emails yesterday :(
[09:10] <Madpilot> mdke_: right now I'm mostly staring at XML and wondering when my eyes will start bleeding ;)
[09:11] <mdke_> Madpilot, aw it's not as bad as all that!
[09:11] <Madpilot> not quite
[09:11] <Madpilot> close, though
[09:11] <mdke_> you'll get used to it :)
[09:12] <Madpilot> expect my first few diffs to be total crap :P
[09:12] <Madpilot> code-wise, that is
[09:13] <mdke_> Madpilot, the important thing is to use the validation tool in our repo
[09:13] <mdke_> that way you can check that the doc is ok before doing the diff
[09:13] <mdke_> Madpilot, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[09:14] <Madpilot> k, thanks - I'll read that tomorrow - I'm just about to crash for the night
[09:14] <mdke_> rob1, so what do I do with my working copy of common-tasks.xml
[09:14] <mdke_> nuke, or commit?
[09:42] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> 21:05 < raphink> I upgraded my dapper and now it doesn't recognize my sound card anymore :S
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> er
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> ... whoops
[03:46] <mhz> hi all
[03:47] <mhz> I see this http://wiki.edubuntu.org/CorporateUbuntu
[03:47] <mhz> and the first line  mention 'corporate environment by Naaman Campbell.'
[03:48] <mhz> just to have a clear policy in my head... do we want this 'by author' things?
[03:49] <mdke_> no we don't. But we have not yet established the licence policy on the wiki
[03:49] <mhz> so, i dont edit it?
[03:49] <mdke_> no
[03:49] <mhz> ok
[03:49] <mdke_> in any case, the guide doesn't appear to have been written
[03:50] <mhz> would be ok if i create a CategoryAuthor ?
[03:50] <mdke_> ?
[03:50] <mhz> so we can easily get those edited after policy has been up
[03:51] <mdke_> ok...
[03:52] <mdke_> actually perhaps that is a bad idea
[03:52] <mhz> ?
[03:52] <mdke_> we will probably have to give people a chance to remove documents which they are not happy with licensing under a "no attribution" licence policy
[03:53] <mhz> ooooh, good point
[03:54] <mhz> and how do you think we'll inform those people about the wiki policy?
[03:54] <mhz> I have noticed many wiki page creators are not subscribed to pages :D
[03:55] <mdke_> i don't know
[03:58] <mhz> ok
[04:00] <mhz> so, I'll make my own subpage listing those pages i have found that include the "by author" thing. once we set the policy, (when?) it'll be a little easier to inform them, at least manually.
[04:28] <mpt> "... setting up Ubuntu for use ... by Naaman Campbell"
[04:29] <mpt> I might want to set up Ubuntu for use by someone else...
[04:29] <mdke_> heh
[04:29] <mhz> he
[04:31] <mpt> that doc is on the wrong wiki anyway
[04:31] <mpt> so that's two excuses for nuking the byline
[04:32] <mdke_> ?
[04:32] <mdke_> mpt, they are the same wiki with a different address, mhz just posted that link because he is an edu kinda guy
[04:36] <mpt> the same wiki with a different address?
[04:36] <mdke_> i mean
[04:36] <mhz> they are sharing /data so we should see same pages
[04:36] <mdke_> wiki.edubuntu.org and wiki.ubuntu.com have the same pages
[04:37] <mhz> yes BUT..
[04:37] <mhz> one is working https and the other only http
[04:37] <mdke_> really?
[04:37] <mhz> :(
[04:37] <mdke_> how do you authenticate?
[04:37] <mhz> indeed
[04:38] <mhz> I have just found out that I have to login in www.ubuntu.org
[04:38] <mhz> so I get access to all pages
[04:39] <mdke_> you mean edubuntu.org
[04:39] <mhz> so, now that I loged in via edubuntu, I  can't reach ubuntu pages duh!
[04:39] <mhz> nop.
[04:39] <mpt> www.ubuntu.org isn't computer-related :-)
[04:39] <mdke_> quite
[04:41] <mhz> http://www.ubuntu.com/  --> use wiki tab https://wiki.ubuntu.com/   -->   then login link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[04:42] <mhz> and now, I can see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CorporateUbuntu
[04:43] <mhz> notice the diff URL but same content
[04:43] <mhz> :)
[04:44] <mhz> however, I had first loged in via www.edubuntu.org, I could have not reached https:// urls
[04:44] <mhz> however, I would have seen same exact contents
[04:44] <mhz> now, the question is...  That isn't right is it?
[11:17] <LaserJock> also it says "Its recommended that you also run
[11:17] <LaserJock>  ..." but shouldn't that be "It's" ?
[11:23] <LaserJock> or I guess it should be "It is" to eliminate the contraction


[02:50] <snap-l> http://i.imgur.com/pAKhI.png
[02:51] <_stink_> haha
[03:17] <jcastro> snap-l: so good news
[03:17] <jcastro> I got mail from the software center guys
[03:17] <jcastro> they need help picking the "featured applications" in natty
[03:17] <jcastro> so guess what we're going to do. :)
[03:19] <snap-l> Hey, I'm all for helping with that. :)
[13:18] <brousch> greg-g: you awake? I've got 2 passengers with me today
[13:19] <brousch> bah, what ascrub, i just signed up on the event page
[14:44] <snap-l> I love it...  Yeah, looked out the window and saw snow. it's like "what?"
[19:30] <snap-l> Howdy from Natty
[19:31] <snap-l> or at least ssh fron natty
[19:31] <jjesse> in vm or actual install?
[19:32] <jjesse> wow lots of thunder
[19:34] <gamerchick02> hope the power doesn't go out. that'd really put a damper on the jam, eh?
[19:34] <gamerchick02> how are you liking it, snap-l?
[19:34] <snap-l> It's pretty nice
[19:35] <snap-l> This is an actual machine
[19:35] <gamerchick02> how do you like Unity? ;)
[19:36] <snap-l> It's growing on me
[19:37] <gamerchick02> it's growing on me too. i wasn't impressed in Maverick, but i'm much more impressed in Natty.
[19:38] <gamerchick02> i like the auto-hiding launcher
[19:38] <greg-g> yeah
[19:42] <jjesse> wow radar looks a bit crazy
[19:42] <jjesse> snow in lansing area and east
[19:42] <jjesse> thunderstorms in grand rapids and west
[19:43] <gamerchick02> thundersnow!
[19:44] <jjesse> that was earlier for us do you have it
[19:45] <gamerchick02> it stopped snowing, but it looks gloomy out.
[19:55] <greg-g> that radar is crazy!
[20:01] <jjesse> yeah looks like most of the storm has gone east
[20:41] <jjesse> anyone running natty in vbox?
[20:41] <jjesse> everytime i try and install the additions and restart it just boots to the console
[20:44] <greg-g> jjesse: it wasn't working too well for me last night, Unity wouldn't run
[21:47] <jrwren> my server upgrade is very smooth so far.
[21:49] <snap-l> Some nice things with the interfeace
[23:07] <jcastro> krondor: I crashed weird and am stuck rotating in one direction
[23:07] <jcastro> any ideas?
[23:57] <jrwren> jcastro: I've got a sweet bug, I need you to point me in a direction.
[23:57] <jcastro> ok
[23:57] <jrwren> jcastro: i built monodevelop from master(trunk) and I get no menu
[23:57] <jrwren> now it uses gtk-sharp which is built againt 2.12 I think.
[23:58] <jcastro> oh I know about MD
[23:58] <jrwren> I'm wondering if that is it.
[23:58] <jcastro> yeah it does dynamic menus
[23:58] <jrwren> oh yeah? about missing menu for MD?
[23:58] <jcastro> which is why it doesn't work
[23:58] <jcastro> yeah
[23:58] <jcastro> it's an older bug
[23:58] <jrwren> duh - i should have searched LP first :)
[23:58] <jcastro> I need to ask someone about it, there was someone (who I can't remember) who was looking at it
[23:58] <jrwren> I'm so nub sometimes.
[23:58] <jcastro> it's ok
[23:58] <jrwren> found this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html  which is totally sweet.
[23:59] <jcastro> no one can find anything in lp, that's not your fault
[23:59] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
[23:59] <jcastro> this is the canonical article, they just copied mine
[23:59] <jcastro> and didn't bother updating it


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[01:10] <defcon> parag0n__,
[01:10] <defcon> sick idea
[01:10] <defcon> try launchpad
[01:13] <bibbybob> anyone have any oscon discount codes?
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> How is ubuntu+1 running at the moment?  Anything horribly broken?
[02:13] <DanaG> My gconf broke, and my kcontrol is empty, but it may be just me.
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> I don't mind a knock here and there but I'm not upgrading if X isn't going to work for the rest of the week ;)
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> hmn.
[02:13] <DanaG> I fixed gconf, but Gnome still takes nearly a minute to log in.
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> gconf broke, you mean it dropped all your settings?  mine does that a lot anyway, it's an unstable crap heap >/
[02:16] <crimsun> then just run gutsy in a chroot
[04:26] <scotth> hello all, how is gutsy doing? Any major breakage?
[04:26] <scotth> I'm getting that itch and looking for a reason not to upgrade
[04:33] <Dana1> Odd, my gnome takes about 60 seconds to log in.
[04:34] <Dana1> And it's stalled without any hard drive activity.
[04:35] <AnRkey> DanaG, do you mount any SMB or NFS shares at boot time?
[04:35] <AnRkey> I had slow logins when I added mount commands to my login session
[04:35] <AnRkey> the problem was that some of the share where not available
[04:36] <DanaG> Nope.
[04:36] <DanaG> Before, my gconf was completely broken; I had to do this:
[04:36] <DanaG> find /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ -exec gconftool --install-schema-file {}  \;
[04:37] <DanaG> Nearly 100% of the schemas were missing in my .gconf.
[04:38] <DanaG> odd: Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setg
[04:38] <DanaG> id.
[04:38] <DanaG> How do I find out WHAT was trying to do that?  It's not a very helpful message.
[04:39] <DanaG> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: gconf-sanity-check-2[6534] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[04:40] <DanaG> and this: DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[04:40] <Hobbsee> you're not running KDE, which is why DCOP would be failing, iirc.
[04:41] <DanaG> aah, well, that explains at least that part.
[04:41] <scotth> anyone? reason not to go gutsy?
[04:41] <DanaG> But I am getting a helluvalot of those glib memory warnings.
[05:08] <DanaG> Aagh, kcontrol is still empty.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> system settings is still borken too
[05:20] <DanaG> hmm, interesting Gaim/Pidgin plugin: execute commands and send the output.
[05:20] <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:20] <DanaG> (that was "!uname -a")
[05:22] <DanaG> but be wary of paste-ey-ness.
[05:24] <DanaG> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14rc4 (Wed May 16 09:45:46 2007 UTC).
[05:24] <DanaG> that was !cat /proc/asound/version
[05:24] <scotth> that looks pretty sweet
[05:25] <scotth> useful for debug, though you would have to be careful of flood
[05:27] <DanaG> Yeah, I kicked myself by messaging nickserv (and then myself) with !help
[05:28] <DanaG> GNU bash, version 3.2.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
[05:28] <DanaG> These shell commands are defined internally.   -- but is 64 kilobytes per second really high speed, especially when it repeatedly drops out?  I think not.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> must be in NZ.
[05:45] <DanaG> Nope, Long Beach.
[05:45] <DanaG> Holiday Inn.
[05:46] <crimsun> yes it's high speed.
[05:46] <crimsun> I'm on a 56kbps dialup.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> for people like crimsun, yeah it would be
[05:46] <jeremyb> weird that they actually have their own netblock allocated
[05:47] <DanaG> yay-ness.  :|   http://guest.ichotelsgroup.com/dining_options/default.aspx
[05:47] <DanaG> Oh, now it's 30 kB/sec.
[05:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and with the new 2.6.22-5 kernel, I get a freeze on resume, rather than on suspend as on -4.
[05:48] <crimsun> you've been outdated for ages
[05:49] <DanaG> Oh, perhaps mirrors.kernel.org is behind.... time to change back to us.archive.ubuntu.com, then.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> DanaG: s/us.//
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh heck, I have those enabled too.  http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu     http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/
[05:50] <crimsun> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1754552 2007-05-29 12:06 vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic
[05:50] <crimsun> been running -6- since the 29th.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> it's annoying that they're not updating the metapackage
[05:50] <DanaG> Wow.
[05:51] <crimsun> heh, even I'm outdated.
[05:51] <DanaG> It's especially annoying when a bunch of packages decide they're new, so I lose the REAL new packages among those.
[05:51] <crimsun> I'm only on 6.12
[05:51] <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:51] <DanaG> yay, plugin.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic
[05:52] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$
[05:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: is that only in git somewhere?
[05:52] <DanaG> http://www.kalpiknigam.com/blog/2007/05/12/install-pidgin-200-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-all-plugins/
[05:52] <Hobbsee> a.u.c doesnt seem to know about it
[05:52] <DanaG> That's where I got the plugins.  Caution: some plugins make Gaim crash.
[05:53] <DanaG> s/Gaim/Pidgin/
[05:53] <DanaG> In Windows, I got so used to hitting <start>-<g> for pinned Gaim, that I renamed Pidgin to
[05:53] <DanaG> "Gaah, Pidgin stole my P!"
[05:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: LP.
[05:54] <crimsun> I tend to not wait for binary NEW
[05:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: sorry?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh
[05:54] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[05:54] <Hobbsee> point
[05:54] <crimsun> exploit the LP bug.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> yep, yep
[06:01] <DanaG> s/by/in/
[06:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that does require finding all the relevant binaries, though
[06:02] <Hobbsee> DanaG: yes, it hasnt gone thru to the archives yet
[06:04] <DanaG> I also wonder why Linux sees the device, yet Windows doesn't.
[06:05] <DanaG> modinfo iTCO_wdt | head -n 5 | tail -n 1 gives
[06:05] <DanaG> description:    Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver
[06:06] <crimsun> Hobbsee: true, though it's just due diligence under the Resulting Binaries dropdown
[06:06] <crimsun> Linux Box 2.6.22-6-generic #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 19:24:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:06] <Hobbsee> crimsun: point.  anything of great interest in there?
[06:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I like to see changelogs before updating.
[06:07] <DanaG> In about two weeks, I'll have more time to deal with bug reports: kernel oops on toggle capture on A2 ZS Notebook.
[06:08] <crimsun> Hobbsee: some more stuff for power saving
[06:08] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[06:08] <crimsun> and the usual boatload of fixes pulled in from 22-rc3
[06:08] <DanaG> Oh, I google for i8042 interrupts, I get OLPC mailing list.
[06:09] <crimsun> gutsy is definitely a bit eccentric momentarily.
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:10] <DanaG> When I first went to dist-upgrade, I set sources.list to "gusty" -- and then thought, "WTF, 404?"
[06:10] <crimsun> the flatulent Ubuntu devel branch!
[06:11] <DanaG> It seems similar to Breezy.
[06:11] <DanaG> ooh, lshw-gtk is useful.
[06:14] <DanaG> At least it's better than Yoni, er, Yonah.
[06:14] <DanaG> (deliberate "slip")
[06:21] <DanaG> bad idea: /exec yes
[06:21] <DanaG> with that plugin.
[06:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: darn you.  now grabbing the relevant binaries
[06:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: bah.  l-r-m is in depwait.
[06:25] <DanaG> Now I had to rm that log
[06:27] <crimsun> silly Hobbsee :-)
[06:27] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone got any "hard" problems they want to throw @ me, please feel free to do so.
[06:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:28] <crimsun> r00tintheb0x: seriously?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> crimsun: dont even think of giving him ALSA.
[06:29] <crimsun> no, I'll give one that makes ALSA pale.
[06:30] <Hobbsee> oh?
[06:31] <netham45> hry
[06:31] <netham45> hey*
[06:31] <netham45> the link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule in the topic doesn't work.
[06:31] <netham45> at least not for me.
[06:32] <crimsun> netham45: yeah, your route sucks or something.
[06:32] <crimsun> no offense intended.
[06:32] <netham45> yea
[06:32] <netham45> I know what that means
[06:32] <netham45> wait
[06:32] <netham45> if I turn https into http, it works
[06:32] <DanaG> http://www.theperfectgift.org.uk/
[06:32] <netham45> is there a beta of Gutsy out?
[06:33] <DanaG> The route to login.oscar.aol.com was broken.
[06:33] <crdlb> not even an alpha
[06:33] <DanaG> thank goodness for Gaim on an ssh server.
[06:33] <netham45> ok
[06:33] <netham45> j/w
[06:33] <netham45> Feisty came out like a month ago
[06:33] <netham45> so yea
[06:34] <DanaG> Hmm, I want a qt-gtk engine, or at the very least, a human-ubuntulooks QT theme.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> gtk-qt-engines exists
[06:35] <DanaG> Oh, and I don't get why everything is orange, and then the metacity theme is brownish.
[06:35] <DanaG> I want either all orange, or all brown.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> change it/
[06:35] <Hobbsee> or cant you do that with gnome?
[06:35] <DanaG> It's not quite the same.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> silly gnome.
[06:40] <DanaG> I mean, it doesn't feel the same.
[06:44] <crimsun> I skip the mess and use the Ubuntu Studio 7.04 default theme.
[06:44] <defcon> gnome better than kde?
[06:45] <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[06:45] <DanaG> debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)
[06:45] <DanaG> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
[06:46] <defcon> i see that kcontrol doesnt work in gutsy
[06:46] <defcon> any work around known
[06:46] <scotth> defcon: try them both and descide for yourself, both are good enough and both have their own strengths
[06:47] <defcon> scotth, what do you use, and why?
[06:47] <defcon> i like both as well, cant decide
[06:47] <defcon> hehe
[06:47] <DanaG> Look in Lost and Found.
[06:47] <scotth> I use gnome, I tried using kde but it took too much of my time to tell it things I think gnome figures out for itself
[06:48] <DanaG> Note that bulky != bloaty.
[06:49] <scotth> yeah, that too, but my friend keeps telling me that has changed since I last used it
[06:49] <DanaG> http://ctho.ath.cx/tmp/moz/326877evil2.xul
[06:49] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=259240
[06:49] <defcon> scotth, I agree with u :)
[06:49] <defcon> kde=too bloated and slow, and takes too much time
[06:50] <scotth> my general rule of thumb is that a computer shouldn't ask me about stuff that it can guess at and get correct 90% of the time
[06:50] <DanaG> Actually, for me, Gnome takes 60 seconds of sitting there doing nothing, before finally opening.
[06:50] <scotth> well desktop, I like it when servers ask me questions
[06:50] <DanaG> Oh, and KBFX says my KDE menu system is broken.
[06:50] <scotth> DanaG: that sounds like something is broken
[06:50] <crimsun> I normally find all desktop environments' performance equally sluggish
[06:51] <scotth> crimsun: core 2 duo... I don't have that problem :-D
[06:51] <DanaG> Yonah 1.83GHz here.
[06:52] <crimsun> doesn't matter what CPU(s) you have
[06:52] <crimsun> the complexity and poor coding practices scale up with hardware power.
[06:52] <DanaG> 80GB 5400RPM.  :(
[06:53] <scotth> going from an 800mhz ibookg4 to my current system really gave me a nice boost
[06:53] <crimsun> I'm sure you can find some configuration that will bring your current hardware to its knees.
[06:54] <defcon> anyone have problems with gdesklets and gutsy?
[06:54] <scotth> yeah, its called evolution
[06:57] <scotth> I wish gnome had something like epiphany for email, maybe based on tinymail
[06:57] <crimsun> evolution seems to work well as long as my trash folder is smaller than one million email entries.
[06:58] <scotth> subscribed to a lot of mailing lists?
[07:00] <crimsun> a few
[07:00] <crimsun> I just get a crapload of emails via clients, students, colleagues, etc.
[07:01] <scotth> ahh, I have thunderbird set to clear the trash on exit
[07:01] <tritium> evolution works poorly with exchange, in my experience
[07:02] <scotth> and groupwise in my experience
[07:04] <crimsun> you should use Outlook Web !
[07:07] <DanaG> Oh, and the daemon won't start.
[07:08] <tritium> Outlook Web!  Are you insane?
[07:08] <scotth> DanaG: you have to have a tpm in your system
[07:09] <scotth> I believe
[07:09] <scotth> its for the trusted computing crap, drm and such
[07:10] <scotth> I hear its useful for any time you have to deal with other peoples records, i.e medical, financial
[07:10] <DanaG> I have a TPM chip, but I have yet to find anything to do with it.
[07:11] <scotth> ahh, well youve passed where I'm useful
[07:15] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone with advanced problems that no one else can seem to solve... please don't hesitate to contact me. If i don't answer right away, thats because im in #guruhelp. :D
[07:36] <DanaG> s/he can use/there's any point to using/
[07:36] <scotth> probably not
[07:37] <scotth> I don't think it was meant for that kinda thing
[07:43] <DanaG> http://trousers.sourceforge.net/tpm_keyring2/quickstart.html
[07:43] <DanaG> hmm.
[09:27] <llol> anyone here
[09:27] <llol> ?
[09:43] <ajmorris_> anyone else experiencing slow application loading time after installing the current gutsy updates?
[09:44] <lemonade> ajmorris_: i'm experiencing lots of dm-linear errors in my log
[09:44] <lemonade> ajmorris_: and it causes software load and work slowly on my computer
[09:45] <ajmorris_> that would be what it is
[09:45] <ajmorris_> which log you talking about?
[09:48] <lemonade> dmesg
[09:48] <ajmorris_> kk
[09:48] <lemonade> it's a filed bug and fix is on way
[09:49] <ajmorris_> ah
[09:49] <ajmorris_> good good
[09:49] <ajmorris_> :)
[11:03] <ajmorris_> anyone got the smb shares working in gutsy?
[11:03] <ajmorris_> when i click share, it doesn't actually share it
[11:13] <ajmorris_> has anyone successfully got SMB sharing working?
[11:14] <ajmorris_> when i share a folder, it doesn't actually share
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: did you try filing a bug?
[11:19] <ajmorris_> not yeat
[11:19] <ajmorris_> *yet
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: always start with filing a bug (as first line of support with devel versions)
[11:19] <ajmorris_> wanted to make sure i wasnt the only one first
[11:19] <gnomefreak> ajmorris_: only one in this channel doesnt mean you are only one. but iirc i havent seen that issue yet
[11:20] <ajmorris_> kk
[11:20] <ajmorris_> tks
[01:14] <jovans> is there no legacy kernel in gutsy repo?
[02:29] <so1> hi
[02:30] <so1> is there already a date when the new fglrx driver will be uploaded?
[02:30] <so1> it finally supports xserver 1.3
[02:31] <Hobbsee> i suspect "when it's uploaded"
[02:31] <so1> :-)
[02:33] <so1> do you suspect a specific date for that? :-)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:36] <Hobbsee> "when i'ts done"
[02:42] <so1> ok ...
[02:42] <so1> who does it?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[02:43] <Hobbsee> whoever's interested in X, i guess
[03:49] <h3sp4wn> Does the current gutsy kernel have mac80211 (for ralink ?)
[03:50] <h3sp4wn> Infact that was a silly question I know it has the stack - but not which drivers it has working with that stack
[06:37] <Pathum> Can anyone help me with Kopete?
[06:40] <Pathum> Can anyone help me with Kopete?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> what about it?
[06:42] <eddyMul> not sure if I should ask this here....
[06:42] <Pathum> Well i don't know how to get the Yahoo rooms list
[06:42] <eddyMul> but, is there a way for me to install a gutsy package in feisty?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> eddyMul: depends what it is
[06:43] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: python-django
[06:43] <eddyMul> (no, not glibc...  )   :)
[06:43] <Hobbsee> eddyMul: you can try.  usually not recommended.  it may just install for you, else you'd need to rebuild it, and anything else it depends on in gutsy, that isnt in feisty
[06:44] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: I understand that it's not recommended...
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Pathum: no idea if that's supported in kopete.  i thought that was a web thing, actually
[06:44] <eddyMul> but how can I do it? (I'm a n00b to Ubuntu). Do I just pull the .deb file and double-click it?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> yes...
[06:45] <Hobbsee> that's what you can try first
[06:45] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: so, I just pull the orig and the diff tarballs, and try do build away. is that it?
[06:45] <Pathum> k
[06:46] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: (yesterday, I was running Gentoo....)
[06:46] <Hobbsee> eddyMul: grab gutsy source, dpkg-buildpackage -b inside the source dir
[06:46] <Hobbsee> but you may be able to just install it, without messing with dependancies
[06:46] <Pathum> I need help.....pls
[06:47] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: I will try it. thanx
[06:47] <Pathum> Hobbsee, i need to get the Yahoo rooms list in Kopete
[06:48] <eddyMul> Hobbsee: from packages.ubuntu.org, the dep-s are similar. so it will probably work.
[06:48] <eddyMul> thanx, Hobbsee (and sweet dreams)
[07:54] <DanaG> Unable to attach to mixer dmix: No such file or directory
[07:54] <DanaG> in running pulseaudio.
[08:01] <DanaG> ALSA lib control.c:910: (snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL dmix
[10:16] <DanaG> Linux m685 2.6.22-5-generic #1 SMP Sat May 19 01:01:22 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:59] <OzZY85> I am trying to install Feisty AMD x64, and when i try to boot it, it gets stuck on configuring network interfaces
[10:59] <OzZY85> any suggestions
[11:02] <DanaG> Wait for it to time out after 60 seconds, perhaps.
[11:02] <DanaG> Unless it's been longer that; in that case, something else will be the issue.
[11:02] <OzZY85> i tried pressing Ctrl-C
[11:02] <DanaG> You can try booting again without "quiet splash" in boot options.
[11:05] <DanaG> Though this channel is for Gutsy.


[20:04] <magicaltrout> So.... I walk into a snaps meeting tonight and say I do a bunch of stuff with Juju and I get people looking at me like I just spat in their face.... do you guys not get on ? :)