[13:50] <Pendulum> I just discovered that my dentist's son has published an article on accessibility for people with autism with regards to computing
[13:51] <Pendulum> I guess I will be getting in touch with him...
[15:42] <skaet> Pendulum,  can you point me at the article?   would be interested in reading it.
[16:03] <Pendulum> skaet: http://affect.media.mit.edu/pdfs/10.Morris-Kirschbaum-Picard.pdf
[16:03] <skaet> Thanks Pendulum :)
[16:07] <Pendulum> Now I just have to figure out how to e-mail him without being like "so your dad's my dentist and my mother taught one of your high school English classes" as it sounds a bit awkward


[07:41] <Ann2509> hi
[07:41] <Ann2509> anyone here?
[11:33] <Ann2509> Hiii
[11:34] <knome> hello
[11:34] <Ann2509> Anyone here?
[11:34] <Ann2509> Oh hi
[11:38]  * knome shrugs


[15:22] <ahoneybun> popey: who is it that I ping about the donations?
[15:26] <popey> ahoneybun: what's up?
[15:39] <popey> ahoneybun: hello
[15:41] <ahoneybun> popey: I asked about funding to talk at OpenHelp Conf
[15:50] <popey> ahoneybun: it was +1'ed but clare is on vacation, so she'll not get to it until next week.
[15:52] <ahoneybun> alrightly thanks popey
[15:52] <ahoneybun> need to ping the conf about the talk, from my understanding they took it and asked for my bio and pic for the site
[15:53] <ahoneybun> but never replied back after I submitted that
[15:57] <popey> no problem ahoneybun
[17:15] <CoderEurope> So there is a testing day for lubuntu in an hour on #ubuntu-on-air , it that correct ?
[17:18] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: Yep
[17:22] <CoderEurope> tsimonq2, I found the known issues page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/KnownBugs | but where was that nice page you made for one of the LtS's a while ago on the wiki - was it deleted 'cos I cannot find it ?
[17:27] <CoderEurope> made that was it ? https://youtu.be/_vAaE37fZSM?t=13m25s | yes it twas
[17:29] <CoderEurope> **maybe that was it .. - yes it was.
[17:35] <tsimonq2> CoderEurope: I haven't looked at that in a while :P


[09:08] <didrocks> hi everyone
[09:08] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:09] <huats> hello seb128
[09:09] <seb128> lut huats
[09:09] <didrocks> hello seb128 (huats, déjà dit bonjour 3 fois sur d'autres chans, alors ça va ;))
[09:10] <huats> :)
[09:10] <huats> same here ;)
[11:27] <kwwii> Keybuk: hey, quick question...do you think there is any good reason to keep shipping a 640x480 usplash pic?
[13:41] <asac> seb128: why would gconf want to talk to orbit?
[13:41] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/105154/
[13:42] <seb128> asac: because it's using it for communication?
[13:43] <asac> seb128: ok. is there  a way to make gconf not use that (for testing purpose)?
[13:43] <seb128> not that I know no
[13:44] <asac> seb128: i have some issues with unit tests that use gconf ... and running them not in a desktop session
[13:44] <asac> does gnome have unit tests?
[13:44] <seb128> not a lot
[13:44] <asac> e.g. make check
[13:44] <asac> ok
[13:45] <seb128> some of the pygobject, pygtk, pygnome, etc have but that's about it
[13:45] <seb128> and glib, gtk
[13:45] <asac> seb128: orbit seems not to be a daemon. is that provided by some other server?
[13:45] <asac> or is that P2P'ish ;)? .e.g. no central instance required
[13:47] <seb128> asac: there is no daemon afaik, you get a /tmp/orbit-user directory and sockets there
[13:48] <asac> seb128: which process provides that?
[13:48] <asac> gdm?
[13:48] <asac> or is that just a mkdir ... and then if you have a corba server it puts its info in there?
[13:49] <seb128> asac: I don't really know how it works, I think liborbit2 does the work
[13:49] <asac> seb128: yeah. so how is gconfd started? auto activation of orbit?
[13:49] <asac> or no clue ;)?
[13:50] <seb128> gconfd is a dbus service
[13:50] <asac> then why does gconf need orbit? ;)
[13:50] <seb128> it uses it as a communication bus
[13:51] <seb128> to communicate between clients and the gconf server
[13:51] <asac> why doesnt it use dbus for that if its a dbus service?
[13:51] <seb128> there is a dbus port for maemo but that didn't go to GNOME yet
[13:51] <seb128> because doing dbus activation was easy
[13:51] <seb128> but rewritting all the communication code is not
[13:51] <seb128> so they didn't do that yet
[13:51] <asac> ok. so dbus only does activation. orbit does communication (legacy)
[13:51] <asac> understood
[13:52] <seb128> yes
[13:52] <asac> lets see if that helps ;)
[13:52] <seb128> your issue might just be that the gconfd server doesn't get started if you have no dbus session bus
[13:53] <seb128> asac: bug #285937
[13:53] <seb128> asac: that has a similar issue and a workaround described
[13:54] <seb128> asac: try using dbus-launch to run your testsuite maybe and see if that makes a difference?
[13:54] <asac> seb128: funny thing is that gconftool-2 works
[13:54] <asac> though maybe its just that i dont have write permission
[13:55] <seb128> if gconftool-2 works that means that the gconfd server is running and that client-server communication works
[13:55] <seb128> could be that your environment is unset by the testsuite or something?
[13:55] <asac> yes. but it spits out the above error on setting a char
[13:55] <seb128> ie DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS not being correctly set
[13:56] <asac> let me check something
[13:57] <asac>  env | grep -E '(ORBIT|DBUS)'
[13:57] <asac> -> nothing
[13:57] <asac> but gconftool -R /system
[13:57] <asac> dumps content
[13:58] <asac> anyway thanks.
[13:58] <asac> will do something else for now
[14:00] <seb128> the dbus session variable is only required when the server is not running to spawn it
[14:00] <seb128> not sure about the orbit one
[14:07] <crevette> (I didn't read the backlog) I used to launch application requiring gconf like dbus-launcher $myapp
[14:17] <crevette> seb128, hey, you don't plan to ship the new gdm for jaunty I guess? did you test it again, I remember you found several showstoppers.
[14:17] <seb128> crevette: no and no
[14:17] <seb128> we will have it in universe as gdm-new or something
[14:18] <seb128> but we don't plan to switch to it by default before getting mirco's browser ready which is not for this cycle
[14:18] <seb128> crevette: why?
[14:18] <crevette> just to know
[14:19] <seb128> it doesn't bring anything really useful and reduce the number of settings and option
[14:19] <seb128> ie that's a no win for users
[14:19] <seb128> and we already got too many of those "GNOME is dropping things user rely on for no good reason"
[14:24] <crevette> asac, did you see the line I posted earlier ?
[14:26] <asac> crevette: let me check
[14:54] <asac> i dont know whats up with this. i think restarting dbus worked
[14:54] <asac> and helped without doing anything else
[14:54]  * Tm_T is starting to hate dbus
[14:57] <pochu> asac: hi :) can you approve the intrepid task in bug 295490, so that the bug appears in the SRU team page?
[14:59] <seb128> pochu: you just need to subsribe ubuntu-sru for that no?
[15:01] <pochu> seb128: the status is fix released, so I don't think it will appear in their bug list right now
[15:01] <seb128> ah ok
[15:06] <seb128> mvo: could compiz stop switching workspace when clicking on a border? ;-)
[15:06] <seb128> or viewport or whatever those are called
[15:07] <Nafallo> seb128: hmm... I have this totem/compiz bug again :-)
[15:07] <seb128> Nafallo: which one?
[15:08] <Nafallo> seb128: trying to find it :-)
[15:08] <Nafallo> bug 283592
[15:09] <Nafallo> seb128: should I do the workaround or would you like some debugging? :-)
[15:09] <seb128> looking
[15:09] <Nafallo> ta :-)
[15:12] <seb128> Nafallo: can you run
[15:12] <seb128> gdb totem
[15:12] <seb128> run --g-fatal-warnings
[15:12] <seb128> thread apply all bt full
[15:12] <seb128> and copy the stacktrace on the bug?
[15:12] <seb128> bonus point if you have the corresponding debug versions installed ;-)
[15:13] <Nafallo> hehe. yea. didn't. are those somewhere easy to find those days? :-)
[15:14] <seb128> Nafallo: seems similar to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563080
[15:14] <seb128> Nafallo: sudo apt-get install totem-dbg libglib2.0-0-dbg libgtk2.0-0-dbg
[15:14] <asac> pochu: thats a dejavu bug?
[15:14] <asac> didnt we fix exact the same issue in hardy?
[15:15] <pochu> asac: jaunty, yes
[15:15] <pochu> IIRC
[15:15] <asac> no ... i mean hardy
[15:15] <asac> long time ago
[15:15] <seb128> Nafallo: in fact the stacktrace is not required, looking at the upstream bug that's due to a wrong ini config
[15:16] <pochu> asac: like this? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/liferea/1.4.14-0ubuntu3
[15:16] <Nafallo> seb128: that's state file seems to be using maximum resolution indeed.
[15:16] <seb128> Nafallo: what would be useful is how you got that one created
[15:16] <seb128> Nafallo: do you switch between screens or screen-resolution?
[15:16] <Nafallo> seb128: nope. laptop at 1280x800
[15:16] <seb128> always laptop screen?
[15:16] <Nafallo> seb128: 720p movies and DVDs are larger then the screen I suppose... :-P
[15:17] <Nafallo> seb128: yepp. always.
[15:17] <seb128> you never plug it on a tv or a dock station or something?
[15:17] <seb128> ok
[15:17] <Nafallo> seb128: nope. never :-)
[15:17] <seb128> if you find a way to trigger the buggy config
[15:17] <seb128> ie playing a dvd or something
[15:17] <Nafallo> hehe. I wish :-)
[15:17] <seb128> that would be useful
[15:17] <seb128> until then just remove the ini and enjoy
[15:17] <Nafallo> seb128: oki :-)
[15:18] <Nafallo> seb128: ha! edited the state file to a "less than screen size" value :-)
[15:18] <seb128> Nafallo: that's working now?
[15:18] <Nafallo> seb128: yea.
[15:19] <Nafallo> and editing back to screensize breaks it! \o/
[15:19] <seb128> the upstream bug sort of suggested that
[15:19] <seb128> now the trick is to figure how to trigger a buggy config ;-)
[15:24] <Nafallo> seb128: might be more useful to make it not break at max res. ;-)
[15:24] <seb128> Nafallo: that's a good point but somewhat orthogonal
[15:25] <seb128> if you have a bugzilla account feel free to add a comment on the bugzilla bug ;-)
[15:25] <Nafallo> I think I had back when I had an account on bugzilla.ubuntu.com ;-)
[15:37] <hggdh> seb128, a question: for the Outlook .pst importer on Evo 2.26... will we need a MIR for libpst?
[15:37] <hggdh> (and, of course, an upgrade to current)
[15:37] <seb128> hggdh: yes, but once we have the required version I expect
[15:37] <hggdh> so we should start with a sync request?
[15:38]  * hggdh thinks the needed version is on deb experimental
[15:39] <seb128> if debian has it but I was under the impression that was not the case there
[15:41] <dljoyner> hi all
[15:41] <seb128> hey dljoyner
[15:42] <hggdh> yes, ou are correct... so we do need a new/update package
[15:42] <dljoyner> hiseb128
[15:42] <dljoyner> anyone having problems with synfig
[15:46] <seb128> dljoyner: try #ubuntu, that channel is to discuss desktop work not user issues and dunno what synfig is but that's not something the desktop team work on
[15:47] <dljoyner> thank you
[15:48] <dljoyner> what does this team work on, info for future reference
[15:48] <Nafallo> package the desktop
[15:49] <seb128> desktop applications you find on the standard Ubuntu CD
[15:49] <seb128> ie, mostly the GNOME desktop
[15:50] <dljoyner> synfig is a 2d animation application pkg with ubuntu 8.10
[15:56] <davmor2> Guys is there meant to be 'system tools' with 'file browser' in it?
[15:59] <seb128> there is a bug about the file browser thing already opened
[16:00] <davmor2> seb128: cool thanks
[16:00] <seb128> don't focus on such details for early alpha versions
[16:00] <seb128> there is other priorities than to clean menu entries
[16:04] <mvo> seb128: compiz> how do you mean? what switches viewports for you?
[16:05] <seb128> mvo: configure a desktop layout having several rows, open gedit, double click on the title bar, left click at the bottom of the screen
[16:05] <davmor2> sbe128: I'm just generally looking through, rather than picking faults, it just looked out of place immediately so I thought I'd check if it was staying for future reference :)
[16:05] <seb128> no need to bother the rt guys about such questions though
[16:06] <seb128> mvo: it switch to the desktop bellow the current one in the grid there
[16:07] <mvo> seb128: hm, not for me it seems :/
[16:07] <mvo> I have a 2x2 layout
[16:07] <seb128> and you are on the first row?
[16:07] <seb128> I've no gnome-panel at the bottom if that matters btw
[16:07] <mvo> yes
[16:07] <mvo> I have one, but only on half the screen
[16:08] <seb128> dnd it on an another corner to try?
[16:08] <mvo> seb128: aha, now I can reproduce it
[16:09] <seb128> ah ;-)
[16:10] <asac> pochu: yeah
[16:10] <mvo> hm, it looks like it thinks there is a drag-n-drop event going on
[16:10] <seb128> mvo: I'm probably the only one to be annoyed about that so don't bother too much ;-)
[16:10] <mvo> how strange
[16:10] <seb128> mvo: it sometimes moves the dialog on the other screen too
[16:10] <mvo> seb128: I'm a bit busy right now, but please remind me about it
[16:11] <seb128> mvo: in fact it happens often because evolution displays errors in the statusbar which is at the bottom and add icons you can click to display or close the error
[16:11] <seb128> mvo: so half of the time when I click on those it sends me to an another workspace too
[16:36] <davmor2> mvo: you know the issue that was in intrepid where the tickboxes for the compiz options were empty well it's back
[16:46] <davmor2> tseliot: ping
[16:46] <tseliot> davmor2: yes?
[16:47] <davmor2> tseliot: are you working on Hardware drivers again?
[16:48] <tseliot> davmor2: yes, when I have the time
[16:49] <tseliot> davmor2: what's the problem?
[16:50] <davmor2> I got today jaunty.5 image and hardward drivers isn't detecting my nvidia gfx card at all
[16:50] <tedg> seb128: A couple questions: Are we still shipping tracker by default?  Do you think we'll ship pvanhoof's tracker EPlugin also?
[16:51] <davmor2> s/hardward/hardware
[16:51] <seb128> tedg: no it has been dropped for alpha3 and dunno about this one
[16:51] <tedg> seb128: Okay, the plugin uses tracker, so without it there isn't much of a point :)
[16:52] <tedg> They were, I guess, dependent questions.
[16:52] <seb128> right
[16:52] <seb128> we might reconsider installing it when it starts working correctly
[16:52] <seb128> it seems some guys are working a lot on rewritting it for months but they didn't roll any tarball yet
[16:53] <tedg> Yeah, I was talking with him about it.  Apparently Nokia wants to ship it with their ITs.  So, it would have to be MUCH more efficient.
[16:53] <tedg> They're also adding an RDF store, so it could be a lot cooler at the same time :)
[16:53] <seb128> right
[16:54] <seb128> inotify is still an issue though
[16:54] <tedg> Yup.  I'm waiting for you-notify ;)
[16:55] <seb128> I'm not going to work on any notify thing ;-)
[16:56] <seb128> ok, I've to go,
[16:56] <seb128> bbl
[16:59] <johanbr> There's a discussion on the tracker mailing list of a release next week.
[16:59] <tseliot> davmor2: yes, that's because the drivers don't work in Jaunty and therefore pitti blacklisted them. This should be fixed soon
[17:00] <davmor2> tseliot: okay cool thanks for the info
[17:00] <tseliot> np
[17:10] <calc> ugh seb128 disappeared already :\
[17:11] <calc> rickspencer3: from talking to the redhat OOo guy it appears the weird samba issues, etc are probably caused by a bug in gnome gvfs
[17:11] <calc> rickspencer3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479199 (read the last few comments if interested)
[17:15] <calc> rickspencer3: i need to verify on ubuntu but if thats the cause its good news in a way that it isn't a OOo bug but it is much more widespread in that case :-\
[17:15] <calc> rickspencer3: gnome bugs are at least more likely to get fixed quicker than OOo bugs upstream
[18:32] <calc> ouch that bug does affect ubuntu also
[18:41] <calc> bug 317587 filed about the issue
[18:46] <Tm_T> calc: ah, good, gooood </Darth Sidious>
[18:54] <calc> i guess for most programs they don't really care that truncate is broken
[18:54] <calc> but it seems to confuse the hell out of OOo
[20:14] <Jazzva> hi, do I need e-mail addresses of all upstream authors, or will one or two be enough for debian/copyright?
[20:19] <Jazzva> oops, wrong channel. sorry
[20:59] <pochu> asac: but this fix is better than setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH, isnt it? It's also the one we have in Jaunty
[21:10] <asac> pochu: looking at debdiff
[21:12] <asac> pochu: oh yeah. its a complete different issue now that i look at the bug
[21:12] <asac> pochu: the bug title made me believe that its a regression from the LD_LIBRARY_PATH thing ... but it isnt
[21:13] <asac> pochu: approved
[21:16] <asac> pochu: you want me to sponsor too?
[21:41] <pochu> asac: yes, please :)
[22:00] <asac> pochu: almost forgot. but now done
[22:32] <pochu> asac: thanks :)


[01:13] <Azelphur> thanet telephone exchange is down
[01:13] <Azelphur> :o
[01:53] <JGJones> Hmm...is £320,000 for a new website a reasonable value?
[01:54] <Azelphur> that's a big price tag o.O
[01:55] <Azelphur> what are you having designed?
[01:57] <JGJones> No...I'm just in a bad mood.
[01:57] <JGJones> A charity that "helps" the deaf have splashed out that much on a new website.
[01:58] <Azelphur> wow, fail
[01:58] <JGJones> And to add insult to injury, they didn't even get a web design firm run by the deaf to do it (they would have done it for a much lower price too...MUCH lower)
[01:58] <Azelphur> \o/
[01:59] <JGJones> but then I shouldn't be surprised...it's the same charity that never hire a deaf person into a management job (and yes it's a charity for the deaf...you'll think they'll have a higher % of deaf staff)
[01:59] <JGJones> yet they manage to raise 40 million a year based on that.
[02:00] <Azelphur> \o/
[03:06] <ali1234> this xilinx stuff unpacks to 12GB
[03:06] <ali1234> and i thought 4GB was a lot
[03:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: did you hear about what PHP did to me? XD
[03:06] <ali1234> no
[03:07] <Azelphur> it was all like "I want to make you miserable" so it created 15.5 million session files in /var/lib/php5
[03:07] <Azelphur> so many files, ls crashes with memory exhausted, rm and free just hang and use more and more ram
[08:44] <hcfd> Azelphur, hah, that's terrible!
[08:44] <hcfd> s/terrible/hilarious!
[08:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:04] <MooDoo> bah gwibber.....
[09:41] <popey> morning all
[09:41] <MooDoo> morning popey are you well?
[09:41] <popey> Yeah!
[09:42] <MooDoo> popey: fab :)
[10:03] <MooDoo> is anyone else awake? lol
[10:04] <brianb> anyone tried the webian shell?
[10:04]  * MooDoo shakes head
[10:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:26] <MooDoo> brobostigon: and a good morning it is too
[10:26] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good morning, :)
[10:30] <MooDoo> all quite on the western front it seems.
[10:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Ubuntu Natty - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/06/ubuntu-natty.html
[10:32] <brobostigon> yep.
[10:46] <MooDoo> typical, at work and the sun is shining :D
[10:55] <daubers> Morning
[10:56] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[10:56] <MooDoo> daubers: how's the windows experience so far?
[11:01] <daubers> MooDoo: I think I'm getting over the worst now :)
[11:01] <MooDoo> daubers: awesome
[11:01] <daubers> Pondering the best way to test the photo stuff, as I don't really want to move 28GB of photos onto my little laptop drive
[11:02] <daubers> sorry... 56.7GB
[11:31] <AlanBell> how does one read mallard files?
[11:32] <jacobw> Argh, attempting to install set up a dual boot on currently Windows laptop, resize operation failed :(
[11:33] <AlanBell> ah, got it, "yelp index.page"
[11:45] <scoundrel50a> Hi I am trying to add this 'http://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-quicklist-for-ubuntu-unity-launcher/2011/06/06' to my Unity, the first part went ok, but when trying to add the second bit in the terminal I keep getting an error, bzr branch lp:unity-launcher-editor
[11:45] <scoundrel50a> You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to
[11:45] <scoundrel50a> write to Launchpad or access private data.  See "bzr help launchpad-login".
[11:45] <scoundrel50a> bzr: ERROR: Target directory "unity-launcher-editor" already exists. What does it mean? Also, I cant find a launcher anywhere to start it.
[11:48] <oimon> been talking to cleverbot..turns out he's not very clever http://pastebin.com/SJY2xd27
[11:49] <jacobw> Haha
[11:54] <jacobw> http://www.radiolab.org/2011/may/31/clever-bots/
[11:55] <oimon> been playing with this firefox addin http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx
[11:55] <s-fox> Hello
[11:56] <popey> scoundrel50a: thats a warning, not an error
[11:57] <popey> scoundrel50a: you've run the command multiple times which is why you get the "already exists" error
[11:57] <popey> scoundrel50a: the instructions on the site tell you what to do next
[11:59] <scoundrel50a> ok, well, I got the error the first time without the warning part, where on the instruction page does it talk about informing bzr about my launchpad id?
[11:59] <popey> it doesnt
[11:59] <popey> you dont need to
[11:59] <popey> its just a warning, ignore it
[12:01] <scoundrel50a> ok, plezase forgive me for being thick, so why would it tell you after the install bit, to add bzr branch lp:unity-launcher-editor which causes that warning
[12:01] <popey> you're not being thick
[12:01] <scoundrel50a> and how do I get it so can start the launcher, I cant find it anywhere
[12:01] <popey> its _immediately_ after the line that says to run bzr
[12:01] <popey> the paragraph right after
[12:02] <popey> "Once you have downloaded the source code, you should find a .unity-launcher-editor. folder in your Home directory. In your Nautilus, navigate to the .unity-launcher-editor -> unitylaunchereditor. folder and double-click the main.py file. A prompt will show up:"
[12:03] <scoundrel50a> I managed to do that bit yesterday, and found it added a dew more files, does that mean, everytime I want to start the launcher, I have to click on main.py?
[12:05] <jacobw> oimon: that FF extension looks really cool
[12:06] <popey> scoundrel50a: yes
[12:06] <popey> scoundrel50a: unless they have an installer of some kind
[12:07]  * daubers needs brown paint
[12:08] <scoundrel50a> ah, I see, so why would they tell you after you entered this sudo apt-get install bzr to install, you have to add this  bzr branch lp:unity-launcher-editor which gives you a warning, what is the point of that part of the installation?
[12:09] <scoundrel50a> couldnt find an installer anywhere
[12:09] <jacobw> what for daubers ?
[12:12] <popey> scoundrel50a: I am missing something
[12:12] <popey> scoundrel50a: "why would they tell you". who is "they" and what are they telling you?
[12:14] <scoundrel50a> http://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-quicklist-for-ubuntu-unity-launcher/2011/06/06 in the installation bit
[12:14] <daubers> jacobw: my Lord Commisar
[12:14] <scoundrel50a> did post that url in my first post
[12:14] <scoundrel50a> sorry, should have made it clearer
[12:16] <popey> I still don't know what you're asking me.
[12:17] <popey> you follow those instructions, they work. You get warnings about something from bzr, this is nothing to worry about.
[12:18] <scoundrel50a> The first part of the install instruction works the second bit, gives the warning, I just wondered what the warning wass about, sorry. :(
[12:19] <popey> the warning appears because you haven't configured bzr to tell launchpad who you are, don't worry about it.
[12:19] <scoundrel50a> oh, ok, thank you
[12:24]  * daubers pops into town for paint
[12:30] <MooDoo> blimey 12:30 already
[12:31] <jacobw> time marches on
[12:31] <jacobw> ubiquity should have a 'fast' mode where it doesn't bother removing packages etc.
[12:33] <jimmie> Does anyone know how to change your MSN "nickname" in Pidgin? Im completely flummoxed.
[12:34] <MooDoo> jimmie: it's set friendly name in the account i think
[12:35] <MooDoo> Accounts ---> Pick your account ----> Set friendly name
[12:36] <jimmie> Ahaha!
[12:36] <jimmie> Thanks pal
[12:37] <MooDoo> yw!
[13:43] <popey> hmmmmm
[13:43] <popey> jacobw: why would you not want it to remove packages?
[13:43] <popey> you plan on using all those languages?
[13:43] <popey> also, there is a "skip" button for that bit ☺
[13:53]  * daubers returns
[14:07] <MooDoo> wb daubers
[14:11] <s-fox> Hi daubers & MooDoo
[14:13] <MooDoo> s-fox: good afternoon :)
[14:14] <s-fox> How are you doing?  Not spoken with you for a  couple of weeks at least
[14:14] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm very well thanks, and wow has it been that long, we must catch up more frequently :
[14:14] <MooDoo> :)
[14:15] <s-fox> indeed :)
[14:18] <MooDoo> s-fox: so how are you this finr day?
[14:19] <s-fox> er,   okay i guess.   i have had a virus but nearly better.  =)
[14:19] <s-fox> thank you for asking
[14:19] <MooDoo> s-fox: oh dear, that's not good but i'm glad you're getting better :D
[14:33] <s-fox> woohoo, just installed development release of GIMP 2.7.3
[14:33] <MooDoo> s-fox: single screen?
[14:33] <MooDoo> ala photoshop?
[14:34] <s-fox> Yes.  Much better.
[14:34] <MooDoo> s-fox: is there a ppa?
[14:34] <s-fox> Though I still do  a lot of work in photoshop (and shall probably continue to do so)
[14:35] <MooDoo> s-fox: i've just ditched windows and photoshop cs5/elements 9, i hope i don't regret it :)
[14:35] <s-fox> MooDoo,  ppa exists.
[14:35] <s-fox> Here is how I updated my gimp - http://paste.ubuntu.com/624335/
[14:36] <MooDoo> ooo might give it a try
[14:44] <MooDoo> s-fox: yeah that makes it a lot better doesn't it
[14:46] <davmor2> moo
[14:47] <MooDoo> davmor2: yo, skin there little blood
[14:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka ow am ya chap
[14:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: at work but alreeeeeeeeeet
[14:49] <davmor2> on me phone so maybe not the best irc client in the universe
[14:49] <MooDoo> i'll make sure i paste in 1500 lines of text just to over load your phone :p
[14:50] <davmor2> MooDoo fair play I'll be sure to remove your nails slowly one by one :)
[14:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: you tease :D
[14:52] <davmor2> haha
[14:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: i applied
[14:53] <davmor2> woohoo
[14:55] <davmor2> off for a bikt
[14:55] <MooDoo> later
[14:57] <s-fox> Someone is having fun - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10927149
[14:58] <MooDoo> wow  not the usual forum post i've seen
[15:02] <s-fox> I am thinking about moving it out of the beginner section MooDoo , but not sure where to put it. lol
[15:04] <jimmie> If thats level most beginners at I think I need to find a Small Child with Difficulty Understanding Computers Section
[15:04] <jimmie> *are at
[15:05] <MooDoo> s-fox: yeah everyone knows what LUN means sheesh ;)
[15:06] <s-fox> logical unit number MooDoo
[15:06]  * s-fox is sad ;)
[15:06] <s-fox> brb, need to see where my cat has got to.
[15:10] <MooDoo> s-fox: i was joking i did actually know that :D
[15:10] <s-fox> back
[15:10] <s-fox> k
[15:11] <MooDoo> pah i feel old lol
[15:11] <s-fox> lol @ jimmie :)
[15:11] <s-fox> Hi!
[15:11] <jimmie> Heh
[15:11] <s-fox> how are you?
[15:11] <jimmie> Not too bad pal, you?
[15:12] <s-fox> fussing my cat :)
[15:12] <MooDoo> achooooooo
[15:12] <MooDoo> ;)
[15:12] <jimmie> Argh, a cat person.
[15:12] <s-fox> and typing with one hand
[15:13] <MooDoo> s-fox: your talents just knows no bounds ;)
[15:13] <s-fox> he was a stray, but i adopted him last year
[15:13] <jimmie> Only problem is I have a song stuck in my head, cant check my windows firefox history
[15:13] <jimmie> and the tune is there and some lyrics, but not enough to identify the song
[15:13] <s-fox> lol MooDoo
[15:15] <MooDoo> wow this days going fast
[15:20] <s-fox> Whoops -  lol
[15:22] <jimmie> OK found the tune
[15:22] <jimmie> Went on windows and scoured the history
[15:22] <jimmie> Its Werewolves of London
[15:22] <jimmie> Mystery solved
[15:25] <jimmie> Would it be rude if I asked how old most of you were
[15:27] <MooDoo> anyone here have the ability to remove freenode cloaks?
[15:31] <MooDoo> jimmie: 39 here
[16:02] <popey> MooDoo: ask in #freenode
[16:03] <MooDoo> popey: already have thanks :)
[16:05] <jimmie> Ah cool MooDoo
[16:06] <daubers> lo
[16:06] <MooDoo> lo daubers you windows user you ;)
[16:07] <daubers> MooDoo: :p
[16:09] <daubers> MooDoo: It's actually relativley enlightening. In the "We do this better, but they do that better" sense.
[16:10] <MooDoo> daubers: to be honest i've only just removed windows 7 from one of my laptops recently
[16:10] <daubers> heh :)
[16:11] <daubers> Windows 7 is not that bad compared to XP. It does have a few things that annoy me still, but I think by default it panders to the bottom end of the capable user scale, where Ubuntu is a bit further up.
[16:13] <MooDoo> daubers: i like windows 7 to be honest, it does what i wanted it do, i just prefer linux
[16:15] <daubers> MooDoo: I dunno really. For home use it's alright. A lot of the problems seem to be in the applications. And there's so much wasted screen space....  You never notice how little chrome there is on a lot of gnome apps until you use something with a lot of chrome
[16:16]  * popey is in win7 right now
[16:17] <popey> \o/ steam
[16:17] <daubers> mIRC is a good example, I have 2 windows open in a frame with a toolbar on the left I don't use and can't kill, a set of icons on the top I don't use/know what they do and then a window list in what should be tabs under that
[16:18] <MooDoo> popey: i'm guessing your waiting for a native version of steam for linux
[16:18] <popey> that would be nice
[16:18] <popey> but not the main problem
[16:19] <popey> all the games available under steam aren't available under linux
[16:19] <popey> although one I just played is
[16:19] <MooDoo> hmm there is that
[16:35] <daubers> Ah, mug of tea
[16:35] <brobostigon> :)
[16:45] <MonsterKiller> hey, anyone able to help with this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8117884/photos/ubuntu_srcds.png i download hldsupdate tool, chmod it then when i go to run it, it says its not there?
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: can you check what kind of file that is using "file hldsupdatetool.bin" ?
[16:46] <MonsterKiller> hldsupdatetool.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: OK, can you do "uname -a" ?
[16:47] <MonsterKiller> Linux rob-desktop 2.6.32-32-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 20 21:52:38 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> I'm assuming it's a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit system, and not all required 32-bit libraries are installed
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: could you try "ldd hldsupdatetool.bin" (please use pastebin)
[16:48] <MonsterKiller> lol i dont need pastebin for this. 'not a dynamic executable'
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> hm, but "file" says it's dynamically linked
[16:49] <MonsterKiller> strange
[16:49] <gord>  hailstone :(
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: strace -o strace.out ./hldsupdatetool.bin
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: Please put the last ~20 lines of strace.out on pastebin
[16:50] <MonsterKiller> strace: exec: No such file or directory
[16:51] <MonsterKiller> oh i see strace.out though
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> Now I'm really confused
[16:51] <MonsterKiller> lol
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> but if strace.out contains something.. please pastebin it :)
[16:51] <dutchie> is it executable?
[16:51] <shauno> mystery meat binaries <3
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: he chmod +x'ed it, so I assume it is
[16:51] <MonsterKiller> http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbzeeellekwwwk
[16:52] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: ah, didn't see that
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: ls -l ./hldsupdatetool.bin
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> (clutching at straws here.. :))
[16:53] <MonsterKiller> -rwxr-xr-x 1 rob rob 3513408 2005-09-02 03:27 ./hldsupdatetool.bin
[16:53] <MonsterKiller> lol
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: do you have libc6-i386 installed?
[16:55] <MonsterKiller> i do now xD
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: try running it again :)
[16:55] <MonsterKiller> okay not it works :) thanks
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> np
[16:55] <MonsterKiller> i didnt even realise i had the 64bit version
[16:55] <MonsterKiller> xD
[16:56] <MonsterKiller> i installed it off a 10.04 live CD i made ages ago
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> Well, 64-bit is the best choice if your CPU supports it
[16:58] <gord> though all the source stuff in hlds is 32bit so it won't make much of a difference there
[16:58] <MonsterKiller> :D its a nice dual core athlon 2.3GHz
[17:07] <suprengr> If anyone's available to help... think I might need some help on this one...
[17:08] <suprengr> the mail applet has disappeared from my 10.04 notification area
[17:08] <suprengr> [I know how to restore panel to default but is there a wat yo retrieve just this?]
[17:09] <suprengr> *way
[17:09] <suprengr> *to
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> !panel
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> !resetpanel
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: the "mail" applet? do you mean the notification thingy?
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: look for "indicator" in the "Add applet" menu
[17:11] <suprengr> thanks MartijnVdS - I know the default reset one - 2nd idea seems good -cheers
[17:13] <suprengr> MartijnVdS, thanks again - solved... good simple solution!
[17:14]  * suprengr elevates MartijnVdS to hero status
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] Day 2: Music and pictures - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/11/day-2-music-and-pictures/
[17:35] <Vauxhall> is it just me or is there a bug in 11.04 that prevents xchat from showing up in the notification bar when minimized...
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> Vauxhall: they say it's a feature
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> if you install xchat-indicator (and enable that plugin) it should work again
[17:36] <Vauxhall> xchat-indicator eh?....
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> it's a package
[17:36] <Vauxhall> found it in Synaptic...lemme try it :)
[17:37] <Vauxhall> it's the "xchat-indicator" right?...not "xchat-gnome-indicator"?
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> depends
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> are you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[17:38] <Vauxhall> what's the difference?
[17:38] <Vauxhall> i'm guessing gnome one is GUI....
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> both are :)
[17:39]  * suprengr quits to switch to 11.04 & try that one as well [always did miss the xchat in the panel]
[17:40] <Vauxhall> well...i've installed xchat-indicator plugin...
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> you might need to restart xchat
[17:40] <Vauxhall> and that should activate it...
[17:40] <Vauxhall> k..give me a sec
[17:43] <Vauxhall> MartijnVdS: Nope
[17:44] <Vauxhall> MartijnVdS: that didn't work...
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> Vauxhall: you should be able to enable it from the config
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> Vauxhall: also, check the "messaging menu" (the envelope) in the top bar
[17:44] <Vauxhall> OOOOOOoooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:45] <Vauxhall> man they changed a LOT of things
[17:46] <Vauxhall> thanks :D
[17:46] <Vauxhall> MartijnVdS: thanks :D
[17:51] <Vauxhall> one more thing.....does anyone here use eclipse?
[17:56] <oimon1> chaps, how do i combine 2 or more DVD onto one disc?
[17:57] <oimon1> baby has 3 button moon dvd's (which are short), but i would like to combine them onto one DVD
[18:01] <matti> oimon: Are they a proper DVDs? With menu etc?
[18:01] <oimon> yes
[18:01] <oimon> Mattii, although menu is basic, wouldn't be upset to lose it if i can make my own easily
[18:01] <matti> oimon: In such case some authoring is required :)
[18:03] <oimon> matti: i have to rip with handbrake or something?
[18:03] <matti> oimon: Give me a second.
[18:03] <matti> Phone..
[18:04] <oimon> sure :)
[18:08]  * suprengr has just found that xchat-notify doesn't work in 11.04/Unity - bug?
[18:21] <Nece228> hi
[18:21] <Nece228> am i allowed to talk non geekish stuff here?
[18:21] <Nece228> specifically about uk itself
[18:22] <jacobw> probabbly
[18:22] <Nece228> ok
[18:22] <jacobw> er..
[18:22] <Nece228> might i ask a question
[18:23] <Nece228> is it realistic to get about 20 pounds per hour in uk working unqalified job
[18:23] <jacobw> no
[18:24] <OmNomDeBonBon> Oh god no.
[18:24] <Nece228> then what my uncle said
[18:24] <Nece228> hes probably laughing at me now
[18:24] <AlanBell> there is a difference between unqualified and unskilled
[18:24] <OmNomDeBonBon> £20/hr is £35k a year.
[18:24] <Nece228> he said he is in uk working a pretty easy job and getting about 20 pounds per hour
[18:25] <Nece228> i also thought its unrealistic
[18:25] <OmNomDeBonBon> Oh, he's a contractor?
[18:25] <OmNomDeBonBon> They get paid around that much. IT people don't need quals - just experience.
[18:25] <Nece228> no
[18:25] <Nece228> hes basically just a guy
[18:26] <Nece228> not qualified nor experienced
[18:26] <Nece228> he also doesnt have any diploma
[18:26] <AlanBell> national minimum wage is about £6/hour
[18:27] <Nece228> and you work 8 hours everyday?
[18:27] <jacobw> most people work 8 hours each week day
[18:28] <Nece228> ok
[18:28] <OmNomDeBonBon> The standard working week is 37.5 hours.
[18:28] <jacobw> you probably can find a job that pays £20/hour, for a few hours a weeks ;)
[18:28] <OmNomDeBonBon> jacobw, contract work.
[18:28]  * OmNomDeBonBon thinks Nece228's uncle is a prostitute
[18:28] <OmNomDeBonBon> The only plausible explanation.
[18:28] <Nece228> haha
[18:29] <Nece228> great one
[18:29] <OmNomDeBonBon> ty
[18:29] <Nece228> i think hes lying
[18:29] <Nece228> he likes to do that
[18:29] <Nece228> but those things arent fun
[18:29] <Nece228> hes pretty old but still dumb i guess
[18:30] <OmNomDeBonBon> Did he tell you his lap is a portal to heaven?
[18:30] <Nece228> well
[18:30] <Nece228> he told me that i should go to london too
[18:30] <OmNomDeBonBon> Hampstead Heath?
[18:30] <OmNomDeBonBon> I think you're being groomed by your uncle, Nece228.
[18:30] <Nece228> i said i should think
[18:30] <Nece228> he said dont think just go to london
[18:31] <LjL> seems like a mirage
[18:31] <Nece228> one thing i still cant understand
[18:31] <Nece228> why he said that
[18:32] <Nece228> 20 pounds per hour working unqalified job.....
[18:32] <Nece228> and he doesnt know english that well
[18:32] <OmNomDeBonBon> Um. Is he Polish?
[18:32] <OmNomDeBonBon> Bulgarian?
[18:32] <jacobw> we'll never know :|
[18:33] <Nece228> hmm
[18:34] <Nece228> is it possible when your immigrant to get a job in which you get 6 pounds per hour?
[18:34] <jacobw> i've got a phantom monitor on a laptop with an intel x4500 graphics card
[18:35] <jacobw> using the i915 driver..
[18:36] <jacobw> yeah, it seems to detect a monitor that isn't there
[18:37] <Nece228> wondering how about germany
[18:37] <Nece228> since now its more open for immigrants
[18:43] <Nece228> OmNomDeBonBon: well i actually asked uncle what kind of job hes working he said thats my personal secret
[18:44] <Nece228> you could be right :D
[18:52] <matti> oimon: Right.
[18:53] <matti> oimon: What you could do is a) rip into a different format (combine video) and then burn back as DVD; b) rip as DVD and then do some authoring with menu etc.
[18:53] <matti> oimon: Look at k9copy,
[18:53] <oimon> matti:ok
[18:54] <oimon> i have been ripping individual episodes using handbrake
[18:54] <OmNomDeBonBon> "my personal secret" = horse porn salesman
[18:54] <OmNomDeBonBon> Door-to-door.
[18:54] <OmNomDeBonBon> "Hello sir, would you be interested in buying horse porn?"
[18:55] <Nece228> OmNomDeBonBon: rude but cool :DE
[18:55] <Nece228> OmNomDeBonBon: funny shit
[18:55] <Nece228> OmNomDeBonBon: im gonna tell that to my uncle
[18:58] <oimon> matti: any recommended format?
[18:58] <jpds> Nece228: I wouldn't, the reply might shock you.
[18:58] <Nece228> i would
[18:58] <Nece228> my uncle isnt that cool
[18:58] <Nece228> he also likes to tell those jokes when hes drunk
[19:00] <OmNomDeBonBon> Nece228: tell him that horse abuse isn't cool.
[19:00] <matti> oimon: Depends what do you want to do with it later ;]
[19:00] <Nece228> OmNomDeBonBon: oh yeah definitely
[19:01] <OmNomDeBonBon> Report him to the RSPCH (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Horses).
[19:02] <Nece228> hahaha
[19:02] <Nece228> please stop
[19:02] <Nece228> i cant help myself
[19:02] <Nece228> cant stop laughing
[19:36] <Nece228> ok
[19:36] <Nece228> so heres the news i told that you said its impossible to get 20 pounds per hour
[19:36] <Nece228> and i gave him quotes from you
[19:37] <Nece228> he said that you all are people who have no life and smoke weed and are lazyasses
[19:37] <Nece228> what reply from should i send to him?
[19:37] <OmNomDeBonBon> Tell him I told him to stop molesting you.
[19:38] <Nece228> haha
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> !family
[19:38] <Nece228> perhaps something a little bit more constructive?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> !language
[19:38] <jimmie> Haha
[19:39] <jimmie> Did anyone watch the F1 qualifying?
[19:39] <OmNomDeBonBon> !ot | MartijnVdS
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> Nah, I only watch the race
[19:42] <Nece228> so should i tell him that you tell that hes an idiot?
[22:02] <MonsterKiller> Hey, i went to share my old folder over the network and it said it wanted to install nautiluis for it so i let it, the folder is shared but when i try to access it from windows pc. it asks for username and password and my login for ubuntu doesnt work on it
[22:03] <MonsterKiller> home folder*
[22:14] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: log out, then back in on your Ubuntu desktop
[22:14] <MartijnVdS> MonsterKiller: after that, it should work from your Windows machine
[22:19]  * daubers has often considered selling computers with Ubuntu on as a side business. Make a few bob from each one sold
[23:20] <penguin42> I don't suppose anyone knows how to persuade an upstream kernel to work with udev on current debian do they?
[23:21] <penguin42> my 3.0rc2 build kind of works but /dev/by* is missing


[01:35] <belkinsa> ballons: ping
[02:37] <cge> I believe I'm being affected by bug 1130352, where old wiki page subscriptions are impossible for me to unsubscribe from.


[12:15] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:15] <agent> realist: yeah.... the forums are no longer a viable source of info on most topics - o well, at least more people are using gnu/linux which is always good - although topics like 'why did they make x program open source - those idiots' are a little banal
[12:15] <agent> sistpoty: i just realized your nick is not sisypoty :)
[12:16] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:16] <agent> sistpoty: oh, and hi ;)
[12:16] <sistpoty> hi agent ;)
[12:23] <sistpoty> ScottK: pyspf uploaded
[12:49] <mdke> anyone around who can give me a quick hand?
[12:49] <giskard> :)
[12:49] <mdke> aha ciao
[12:50] <mdke> I'm working on a patch for yelp. I used cdbs-edit-patch and then made a debdiff. But now I'd like to make some further changes. How do I proceed?
[12:50] <mdke> I should say that I've lost the source tree I was working on
[12:50] <sistpoty> mdke: but you still got the debdiff?
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Has the debdiff been applied to the package in the archive yet?
[12:50] <giskard> you have a patch! apply it on the original source
[12:51] <mdke> Fujitsu: no; sistpoty: yes
[12:51] <mdke> giskard: and then when I make another debdiff, my changes will be in that one too?
[12:51] <sistpoty> mdke: do as giskard says... get last version and patch -p0 < *debdiff
[12:52] <mdke> alright, I will try that.
[12:52] <mdke> thanks all three
[12:52] <sistpoty> mdke: you'll need to make a new debdiff then from the resulting source package and the orig versoin then ;)
[12:52] <sistpoty> np
[12:52] <giskard> mdke, yes the debdiff will be between the original source and the modified one.
[12:53] <mdke> so, to clarify, do I need to get two copies of the source tree unpacked?
[12:53] <sistpoty> mdke: you need the orig version unpacked, then you apply the debdiff
[12:53] <mdke> yep, with you so far
[12:53] <sistpoty> mdke: that will result in the source tree becoming the new version
[12:54] <sistpoty> mdke: if you build a source package then (assuming you already added a new changelog entry in your debdiff), you'll get a new .dsc file
[12:54] <mdke> yeah
[12:54] <sistpoty> mdke: then you can just debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[12:54] <mdke> brilliant, thanks
[12:54] <sistpoty> np
[01:14] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:15] <cypherbios> bddebian: hi :)
[01:16] <bddebian> Hello cypherbios
[01:17] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[01:17] <bddebian> sistpoty!!
[01:18] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[01:19] <geser> Hi bddebian
[01:19] <bddebian> Wow, hi Fujitsu, geser
[01:19] <sistpoty> sheesh... having to read through a french page again... this is all so french to me :)
[01:30] <mdke> hi, I'm back with the questions
[01:30] <mdke> I've now made my debdiff, but it seems to contain files which i didn't touch :(
[01:30] <mdke> I'll paste it somewhere
[01:31] <cypherbios> bddebian: when you are busy, could you make me a favor?
[01:31] <mdke> http://mdke.org/tmp/yelp.diff <-- that was the first one
[01:32] <cypherbios> bddebian: take a look on my uploaded package on REVU and leave some comment :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3748
[01:32] <bddebian> cypherbios: When I'm busy? :-)
[01:32] <mdke> the only files I touched were debian/changelog and stylesheets/toc2html.xsl, any idea what all the other stuff is?
[01:32] <cypherbios> bddebian: are NOT, sorry :)
[01:35] <mdke> sistpoty: are you still around?
[01:35] <sistpoty> mdke: yes... please give me a minute, I just want to finish a revu entry ;)
[01:36] <mdke> sistpoty: certainly. Hilight me when you're ready
[01:36] <sistpoty> will do
[01:38] <Fujitsu> mdke, that's all RCS stuff... It's possible that the Makefile does some odd stuff with it. Did the old debdiff have those files modified as well?
[01:39] <mdke> Fujitsu: yeah, that's the old debdiff
[01:40] <Fujitsu> Hm, I think that's OK.
[01:40] <Fujitsu> It's just rewritten the patch, so there should be no problems.
[01:43] <sistpoty> mdke: problems solved already?
[01:43] <mdke> sistpoty: Fujitsu thinks so. I have no clue :)
[01:44] <mdke> Fujitsu: is it my fault that happened?
[01:47] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: what did you mean to change actually? maybe that gives some clue ;)
[01:47] <sistpoty> s/Fujitsu/mdke/
[01:47] <sistpoty> mdke: and your changelog entry is too wide: it shouldn't be wider than 80 chars
[01:47] <mdke> sistpoty: ok, I can sort out the CL. I changed the two files I mentioned above
[01:47] <bddebian> cypherbios: Done :-)
[01:48] <cypherbios> bddebian: wow, thanks!
[01:48] <bddebian> cypherbios: Well it FTBFSs for me :-(
[01:48] <cypherbios> bddebian: let me see :)
[01:48] <mdke> sistpoty: but the other files I didn't touch, I don't know why they are in the diff
[01:49] <sistpoty> mdke: not quite sure right now. I'll do a testbuild with these files removed from the diff... maybe the build log gives some insight
[01:49] <mdke> sistpoty: do you mind? that's very generous of you!
[01:49] <sistpoty> mdke: no problem ;)
[01:51] <cypherbios> bddebian: I'm working to correct this now
[01:51] <bddebian> cypherbios: Cool
[01:55] <sistpoty> mdke: seems rather related to the fact, that there is a 06_ubuntu_index.diff already, that contains these files
[01:55] <sistpoty> mdke: so the time stamps of this patch will get updated
[01:55] <sistpoty> mdke: a few lines in the patch are just identical, and I don't see a reason, why these should be there in the debdiff in the first place
[01:56] <mdke> sistpoty: I was trying to add to that patch
[01:56] <sistpoty> mdke: how about using a newer patch instead of one that's already there?
[01:56] <mdke> I did cdbs-edit-patch debian/patches/06*etc
[01:56] <sistpoty> mdke: if you want, I can sent you a sanitized debdiff
[01:56] <mdke> sistpoty: because that patch contains stuff I want to build on top of, and in some cases, modify
[01:57] <mdke> I understood that cdbs applies the patch, then lets me modify the source tree directly
[01:57] <sistpoty> mdke: ah, I see... well as written above, the timestamps will get autoupdated (and thus will always be in the diff)
[01:57] <mdke> sistpoty: it's a nice offer, but I need to know how to do it myself in order to improve on the patch :) it's not quite finished
[01:59] <sistpoty> mdke: you can snip a patch in two at the diff -Nru lines (at least in theory)... with a bit of luck it's nothing more than cutting old/new patches in two and deleting from these until they are sane ;)
[01:59] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[01:59] <mdke> sistpoty: ok, let me try.
[02:01] <sistpoty> btw.: did I mention that I hate patch systems yet?
[02:01] <sistpoty> :P
[02:01] <mdke> sistpoty: is the patch not sane in the state that i uploaded?
[02:01] <bddebian> crimsun_!!
[02:01] <mdke> maybe I can just submit it, and seb will understand what is going on
[02:01] <crimsun_> 'lo barry
[02:01] <mdke> it's my first patch after all
[02:02] <mdke> oh, I need to add a depends on ubuntu-docs, I wonder how he will react to that...
[02:02] <sistpoty> mdke: I don't know really... however in case you wouldn't want to touch the same files as the 06_ubuntu patch, it would be better to create a new one
[02:02] <sistpoty> mdke: otherwise I think it should be fine
[02:03] <mdke> ok
[02:03] <sistpoty> hi crimsun_
[02:03] <crimsun_> 'lo stefan
[02:05] <Fujitsu> It's crimsun!
[02:06] <sistpoty> omg, I still need to buy christmas presents tomorrow :(
[02:06] <crimsun_> yes, even on vacation I can't escape the death spiral of alsa bug email
[02:06] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:07] <mdke> sistpoty: me too
[02:07] <sistpoty> I fear that the city will be crowded
[02:07] <mdke> yep
[02:07] <mdke> no presents this year!
[02:08] <sistpoty> hehe, or I just buy a tie and a pair of socks for my dad *g*
[02:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you around?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: this wouldnt be in your house, would it?  http://www.iftk.com.br/wordpress/xmas-beer-tree
[02:12] <bddebian> hehe
[02:13] <sistpoty> rofl
[02:13] <mdke> ah, small question - when I use dch -i, how can I program it to know my correct email address?
[02:13] <mdke> also, when doing debuild, for the gnupg key
[02:14] <crimsun_> pass -e and -k, respectively, with their correct values
[02:14] <mdke> isn't there some kind of dotfile?
[02:14] <sistpoty> mdke: DEBEMAIL is one variable, let me look up the other
[02:15] <sistpoty> mdke: DEBFULLNAME
[02:16] <mdke> sistpoty: where do I put em?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> GPGKEY= is another
[02:16] <Hobbsee> mdke: .bashrc
[02:16] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: .zshrc :P
[02:16] <mdke> oh right
[02:16] <Hobbsee> that too :P
[02:16] <mdke> i *think* i'm using bashrc
[02:20] <Hobbsee> mdke: that's odd.  i thought you were a great debian hacker that is working onto ubuntu?
[02:21] <mdke> Hobbsee: maybe someone else
[02:21] <mdke> mdz?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> nah, not him.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> oh you're the wiki guy or something?
[02:22] <mdke> "the wiki guy"
[02:22] <bddebian> mjg59?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> or documentation or something
[02:23] <Hobbsee> please ignore my brain, it doesnt like doing things early :P
[02:24] <Hobbsee> no, not him either
[02:26] <sistpoty> mdke: may I pester you with a wiki problem?
[02:27] <mdke> sistpoty: sure
[02:27] <mdke> I can try
[02:27] <sistpoty> mdke: I still cannot get the page renamed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/PackagingMistakes should be /MOTU/School/PackagingMistakes
[02:27] <sistpoty> mdke: but the wiki still complains that this page would exist (but it doesn't)
[02:28] <mdke> oh awesome
[02:29] <mdke> sistpoty: it must be a bug. The target page originally existed... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingMistakes?action=info
[02:29] <mdke> I'd suggest doing it manually
[02:29] <sistpoty> mdke: ok, will do... thx
[02:29] <mdke> copy the raw text from the source page and dump it into the target page
[02:30] <sistpoty> that's just like juggling with patches ;)
[02:30] <mdke> yep
[02:31] <mdke> our version of the wiki software is pretty ancient, so it has these rubbish moments
[02:32] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:33] <Hobbsee> fix it?  :P
[02:39] <mdke> Hobbsee: the powers that be are working on it
[02:40] <Hobbsee> mdke: :)
[03:14] <cypherbios> bddebian: please, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3869
[03:15] <cypherbios> bddebian: the python-gtk2-dev aren't needed to build the package, it's only needed to install it, and the python-gtk2 already are an dependency
[03:16] <cypherbios> bddebian: I just commented the line to check for pygtk, because the apt will do it before, when installing the package
[03:17] <bddebian> OK, after the kids go to bed I'll check it out
[03:17] <cypherbios> bddebian: thank you :)
[03:26] <ScottK> Sistpoty - Thanks again for all your help.  It's been an interesting learning experience.  It'll go smoother next time...
[03:26] <sistpoty> ScottK: thanks for your contribution ;)
[03:48] <suicideducky> hello?
[03:48] <suicideducky> sweet then, i assume i can be heard.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:50] <suicideducky> I'M just learning about packaging and was wondering where abouts i would find some small sized source code that i could try packaging on, just to see if it works or not.
[03:50] <StevenK> Xorg?   :S
[04:16] <keescook> heh
[04:16] <Hobbsee> true
[04:16] <StevenK> So teach the ones who don't know them.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yes, but you understand s/foo/bar/
[04:19] <bddebian> Oh, aye :-)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:21] <bddebian> cypherbios: Got it
[04:23] <jdong> wonderful, someone said my name... time to wear out my pgup key
[04:23] <StevenK> jdong: /lastlog
[04:23] <superm1> if an upstream tarball (from SF) has CVS directories in it still, what is the appropriate thing to do about the lintian warnings?
[04:24] <StevenK> Repack it, if you care enough.
[04:24] <Fujitsu> superm1, attack upstream.
[04:24] <superm1> :)
[04:24] <StevenK> That too.
[04:24] <superm1> ok
[04:24] <Fujitsu> Attack upstream with a big nasty hot poker.
[04:24] <StevenK> Or a big nasty Hobbsee, either way.
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Same thing.
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: How'd you go with attacking that KDE upstream?
[04:25] <StevenK> Then again, I'm getting paid to IRC at the moment.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i filed them a bug, i'm not sure anything got done
[04:51] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:56] <cypherbios> bddebian: thank you for the comments on revu, I'm rebuilding the manpage now
[04:57] <bddebian> NP
[04:59] <LaserJock> anybody around?
[05:00] <bddebian> Nope, just us nobody's ;-)
[05:00] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[05:00] <bddebian> What's happening LaserJock?
[05:01] <LaserJock> I just got to my inlaws tonight
[05:02] <LaserJock> thought I'd get online and check my email
[05:02] <LaserJock> only have about 230 to go through
[05:03] <LaserJock> it seems Stefan is the REVU master!
[05:04] <LaserJock> have we declared the REVU sprint over?
[05:09] <LaserJock> oh sweet
[05:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon: you around?
[05:10] <bddebian> Dunno but yeah he has been an animal :-)
[05:13] <LaserJock> I was going to write up my REVU Days report but don't want to cut it off to short
[05:13] <LaserJock> maybe I'll do it tomorrow
[05:13] <Hobbsee> i dont think dholbach will ever want the sprint over
[05:13] <Hobbsee> because then people wont be thinking about REVUing
[05:14] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I better get back to work then :-)
[05:15] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, probably true.
[05:17] <LaserJock> well, I'm personally not a big fan of these "Days"
[05:17] <LaserJock> if they work they're great
[05:17] <LaserJock> I think this one has been excellent
[05:18] <LaserJock> I counted 6 NEW packages and 2 updates uploaded
[05:18] <LaserJock> usually we can go a whole REVU Day without a single upload
[05:19] <Hobbsee> nice!
[05:19] <Hobbsee> did you add supertux in that?
[05:19] <LaserJock> hmm, no
[05:19] <Hobbsee> (was an update, dumped on revu)
[05:19] <LaserJock> ah
[05:19] <LaserJock> so 6 and 3
[05:19] <LaserJock> and a whole lot of comments/updates
[05:22] <ScottK> I'll jump in and say that as a new packager I found having a REVU day very helpful.  One, it got me focused on getting a package done by a specific day and then with all the focus on REVUing, I was able to get several iterations of my package done, commented, and corrected in a very short time.  For me it was 3 days from first upload to a package in Feisty.  That's pretty awesome.
[05:22] <cypherbios> bddebian: I have one question... What I need to do to my manpage (aptoncd.1) be "recognized" when packaging it, something on debian/rules, debian/docs ?
[05:22] <StevenK> Run dh_installmanpages in debian/rules, and add aptoncd.1 to debian/manpages
[05:22] <StevenK> Or just read the manual page for dh_installmanpages
[05:22] <LaserJock> ScottK: yeah, we'd like to have more of that kind of experience
[05:23] <StevenK> Er, sorry, dh_installman
[05:23] <cypherbios> StevenK: thank you :)
[05:23] <StevenK> (dh_installmanpages is the older one. I'll put my walking frame away now.)
[05:23] <bddebian> Gah, beat me to it :)
[05:23] <LaserJock> a lot of times we've haven't been able to get the word out and it was only 1 day, so we didn't have a lot of REVU "users" show up I don't think
[05:23] <LaserJock> -'ve
[05:24] <LaserJock> I think perhaps sprints are better than days
[05:26] <bddebian> Probably.  Especially with the TZ differences
[05:26] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: did you see the latest response to the supertux thread on the forums?
[05:26] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'd rather spend a week focusing on something, being able to come in and out
[05:27] <LaserJock> it's so easy to miss one day
[05:27] <ScottK> I agree about more than one day.
[05:27] <bddebian> Damnit, I'm drawing a blank.. What do I pass to cvs diff?  I thought it was -urN
[05:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye
[05:27] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: the one about "install from my feisty repo"?
[05:28] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: yeah, the person reported unmet deps with the feisty one too, but I don't know if they've messed their system up or not
[05:28] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: they have.  i'm pretty sure
[05:28] <LaserJock> hmm, somebody proposing feisty-experimental
[05:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:29] <LaserJock> I wonder how well that would work actually
[05:29] <LaserJock> basically a 1 week delay
[05:29] <Hobbsee> well, everyone would enable it anyway
[05:29] <LaserJock> true
[05:29] <Hobbsee> becuase feisty's known as not stable
[05:29] <LaserJock> we'd have to name it feisty-really-really-old-and-stale
[05:29] <bddebian> heh
[05:29] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: no depedancy errors.  the guy is just smoking crack
[05:29] <LaserJock> k
[05:30] <LaserJock> I wonder if they're running edgy or something
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it works on edgy too
[05:31] <Hobbsee> if it gets recompiled
[06:04] <LaserJock> wow, nifty netsplit
[06:05] <rob> twas
[06:05] <cypherbios> bddebian: manpage working now, please take a look >  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3870
[06:06] <luisbg> hey LaserJock, merry christmas btw
[06:06] <luisbg> =)
[06:07] <LaserJock> luisbg: hi!
[06:12] <bddebian> cypherbios: I'm already on it :-)
[06:13] <bddebian> cypherbios: OK, advocated
[06:13] <cypherbios> :D
[06:14] <cypherbios> bddebian: :D wow! thank you!
[06:14] <bddebian> No, THANK YOU :-)
[06:15] <cypherbios> ;)
[06:15] <LaserJock> aptoncd, sweet
[06:17] <LaserJock> cypherbios: did you write aptoncd?
[06:17] <cypherbios> LaserJock: yep
[06:17] <cypherbios> LaserJock: I'm the developer :)
[06:17] <LaserJock> cypherbios: cool, I've wanted something like that for a while by not enough to go write it
[06:18] <LaserJock> cypherbios: does it create an actual repo on the CD?
[06:19] <cypherbios> LaserJock: yes, me too. We have not similar yet, and definitively we need something like that
[06:20] <cypherbios> LaserJock: it haves 2 main functions: 1-Create an CD/DVD-repository with the packages downloaded with apt-get (on apt-cache), and 2-Download an entire repository/section
[06:20] <cypherbios> [Download an repository and put it on an CD/DVD -or how many medias where needed-]
[06:21] <LaserJock> how do you then install those? is it just added to sources.list?
[06:21] <cypherbios> LaserJock: by the GUI of aptoncd, or just 'apt-cdrom add'
[06:21] <LaserJock> we're going to be adding a 2nd CD in Edubuntu with Feisty
[06:22] <LaserJock> it'll be a repo CD
[06:22] <LaserJock> and then we're going to make it so that when you insert the CD gnome-app-install fires up and lets you pick tasks
[06:23] <cypherbios> humm, interesting...
[06:24] <LaserJock> so if the user inserts the CD they don't have to do any apt-cdrom, or even start synaptic
[06:26] <LaserJock> hopefully in the future it'll be pretty easy to create an add-on CD and have users just pop it in and go
[06:27] <cypherbios> LaserJock: and is it what I'm trying to do, let the user create your own add-on cds, and backup of your packages... taking the apt anywhere
[06:28] <LaserJock> yep
[06:29] <cypherbios> LaserJock: an possible integration with synaptic already has been planed, mvo have contacted me about this
[06:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:29] <LaserJock> ours is a little different
[06:30] <LaserJock> it will integrate into gnome-app-install and it's supposed to be more like a part of the installation
[06:31] <LaserJock> cypherbios: the spec is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuOnTwoCDs if you're interested
[06:31] <cypherbios> LaserJock: humm, cool, I'll check it out
[06:32] <LaserJock> our trick is to give the user a few choices as to what kinds of software to install
[06:32] <LaserJock> not individual packages
[06:33] <cypherbios> LaserJock: like an preseed, an set of packages
[06:34] <cypherbios> LaserJock: meta-packages will be very useful in this case
[06:34] <LaserJock> yeah, well probably tasks
[06:34] <LaserJock> but perhaps metapackages
[06:34] <LaserJock> that's one of my jobs for Feisty
[06:34] <LaserJock> get things into main and put together into categories
[06:35] <cypherbios> an multimedia metapackage would be very pretty thing :)
[06:36] <cypherbios> LaserJock: aptoncd creates an metapackage with all packages on the media created as dependency, to an easy restore/installation of then all after add the media as apt source
[06:43] <LaserJock> interesting
[06:43] <LaserJock> mostly I'll be doing science meta-packages to start with since that's what I know and there are quite a few packages to choose from
[06:52] <cypherbios> oh, is 4:00am here... I need go to sleep, cheers :)
[08:39] <imbrandon>
[09:04] <StevenK> imbrandon: http://www.iftk.com.br/wordpress/xmas-beer-tree
[09:30] <enyc> meepmeep
[10:20] <imbrandon> StevenK, zomg that soooooo rocks
[10:21] <imbrandon> i'm gonna make one of those next year :)
[10:21] <elkbuntu> the scary thing is, i believe you
[10:25] <imbrandon> heh
[11:07] <enyc> meepmeep ;-)
[11:08] <enyc> I am about to upload this debdiff patch and comments to fix confirmed problem in universe feisty package ;-)
[11:08] <enyc> Who do I 'assign' the package to ?
[11:14] <allee> hi, how often runs revu archive queue?  5 min isn't it?  I try to reupload digikam but it complain .dsc already exists.  that after 20 min
[11:15] <imbrandon> enyc, no one, you never assign a bug to anyone, they assign it to themselfs
[11:15] <imbrandon> allee, 5 minutes, are you uploading the same version number ?
[11:16] <imbrandon> ( you might need to delete the *.upload file localy if so )
[11:16] <allee> imbrandon: yes. Made a stupid mistake
[11:16] <imbrandon> ahh :)
[11:16] <allee> imbrandon: .upload is long gone:
[11:17] <StevenK> imbrandon: Or use dput -f
[11:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:18] <imbrandon> enyc, to answer you though you "subscribe" ubuntu-universe-sponsors though
[11:18] <imbrandon> never assign anyone though
[11:18] <imbrandon> thats a no no
[11:18] <siretart> allee: you forgot to sign your digicam upload :)
[11:18] <siretart> allee: please reupload with signature
[11:18] <imbrandon> heya siretart
[11:19] <siretart> huhu imbrandon :)
[11:19] <allee> siretart: sure?  dput tells me that sig in good in .dsc and .changes
[11:20] <enyc> imbrandon: im not sure what you mean about subscribing to ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[11:20] <siretart> allee: /usr/bin/more told me something else ;)
[11:20] <imbrandon> enyc, when you view the bug , to the left there is a link that says "subscribe someone else"
[11:21] <siretart> shopping, bbl
[11:21] <enyc> imbrandon: anyway I have uploaded to  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72602
[11:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:21] <imbrandon> l8tr
[11:22] <imbrandon> enyc, great now like i said "subscribe someone else" on the left and search for "ubuntu-universe-sponsors"
[11:23] <enyc> imbrandon: right... nad ubuntu-universe-sponsors is not there ?  only<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:24] <imbrandon> hrm
[11:24] <imbrandon> something is buggered with the group
[11:24] <imbrandon> ajmitch or hobbsee will probably have to look at iot
[11:24] <enyc> better create a bugreport ;-)
[11:24] <imbrandon> for now choose that one
[11:24] <enyc> imbrandon: right... ok if you say so
[11:24] <tsmithe> who is daemon at poleboy.de ?
[11:25] <suicideducky> hey all, still there?
[11:25] <enyc> suicideducky: maybe
[11:25] <suicideducky> enyc: now how would i reply to that?
[11:25] <enyc> imbrandon: at what point does somebody "nominate for release" ?
[11:25] <imbrandon> tsmithe, sistopy
[11:26] <tsmithe> ok
[11:26] <enyc> suicideducky: ?how would suic reply to ??what?? ?
[11:26] <enyc> imbrandon: is this something the universe sponsors then look at?
[11:26] <suicideducky> enyc:  "suicideducky: maybe"
[11:26] <imbrandon> enyc, yes
[11:26] <enyc> suicideducky: err... no reply needed ;-)
[11:27] <suicideducky> =-O
[11:27] <suicideducky> has anyone in here tried or looked at packaging101 by daniel hollbach?
[11:27] <suicideducky> [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/OpenWeek-Packaging101]
[11:28] <enyc> imbrandon: right... so now I wait to see if imbrandon looks at this ?
[11:28] <enyc> imbrandon: err.... hobsee even
[11:28] <imbrandon> enyc, they email is just set incorrectly it will goto the team
[11:29] <imbrandon> dont worry
[11:30] <enyc> imbrandon: ok.... what is that team then?
[11:30] <enyc> imbrandon: why "sponsors" ?
[12:10] <imbrandon> enyc, because they will "sponsor" the upload for you
[12:11] <imbrandon> ( e.g. the patch )
[12:11] <imbrandon> and review it
[12:11] <enyc> imbrandon: aaaah I understand ;-)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heya.
[12:11] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[12:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: somerville and i need to know what our passwords are for your machine
[12:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i might not have got the accounts back reset yet since i rebuilt the box
[12:12] <imbrandon> i can do that here in a few
[12:12] <imbrandon> and will email everyone
[12:12] <imbrandon> ( its a brand new dual core beast )
[12:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: okay
[12:12] <imbrandon> heh
[12:12] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[12:15] <enyc> Hobbsee: something is apparently wrong with "ubuntu-universe-sponsors" group such that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is listed... such that I 'appear' to have assigned bug 72602 to you rather than the sponsors-group
[12:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72602
[12:15] <enyc> Hobbsee: assuming you are ==<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;-)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> enyc: it is me, yes.  subscribe, not assign
[12:16] <enyc> Hobbsee: oh yes... subscribed indeed ;-)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> but that mailing address will actually subscribe the sponsors
[12:50] <Fujitsu> What did said person do, StevenK?
[12:51] <StevenK> Write dbs
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Hahahha
[12:52] <StevenK> Which clanlib uses, and it broke fatally.
[12:52] <StevenK> After following the makefile snippets through about, oh, ten levels of indirection, I figured out the problem.
[12:53] <StevenK> I swear dbs causes SHLVL to reach 3 digits.
[12:53] <StevenK> Hah!  StevenK! StevenK!
[01:01] <StevenK> TheMuso: And where's your .ogg?
[01:02] <TheMuso> Twill be there by Friday.
[01:02] <StevenK> s/l//
[01:02] <TheMuso> My voice is is in no singing shape tonight, and I am way from tomorrow till Wednesday.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> StevenK: dream on
[01:02] <StevenK> My voice is in no singing shape ever
[01:03] <StevenK> The key I sing in can and does change over the course of one word. :-(
[01:03] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Oh?
[01:03] <TheMuso> Nobody is tone deaf!!
[01:03] <elkbuntu> StevenK, you sound like mine
[01:03] <Hobbsee> StevenK: @convincing me
[01:03] <elkbuntu> TheMuso, it's not about being tone deaf, it's about voice behaving
[01:03] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I figured.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> StevenK: dad has a pitch corrector.  never fear
[01:03] <StevenK> Heh
[01:03] <Hobbsee> does a damn good job, too
[01:03] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: ??
[01:03] <TheMuso> Pitch correcter?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:04] <TheMuso> Thats cheating.
[01:04] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Send me yours, and I'll send you mine tomorrow? :-)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: depends what it's for
[01:04] <TheMuso> True.
[01:04] <elkbuntu> StevenK, i need to redo mine so it's in tune with the snippet
[01:04] <StevenK> Heh
[01:04] <Hobbsee> the snippet is clearly out of tune to you
[01:04] <Hobbsee> it just depends on how you look at it
[01:05] <elkbuntu> its out of time as well
[01:06] <StevenK> I might get my wife to do it, too.
[01:06] <StevenK> She can actually sing.
[01:06] <TheMuso> StevenK: Really?
[01:06] <StevenK> Yup.
[01:06] <TheMuso> Had training and all?
[01:07] <StevenK> Oh, nothing like that, she can just hold a tune and stay in key, etc.
[01:07] <TheMuso> Ah.
[01:07] <StevenK> Which means she's already two up on me. :-(
[01:08] <Hobbsee> poor you :P
[01:08] <elkbuntu> hmm... Fujitsu is hiding from something...
[01:10] <StevenK> I think it's your blog post. :-P
[01:44] <suicideducky> hello, can i be heard?
[01:44] <Adri2000> you can be read
[01:44] <suicideducky> ok then ill work with that
[01:49] <suicideducky> im new to packaging and as i was working through a basic packaging tutorial (from ubuntu.com, somewhere to do with MOTUs :)) i typed in debuild -S to build a package. it build fine but at the end it gave me a error of something to do with no gpg key found and it was trying to sign the output or soemthing. what is the gpg key used for?
[01:49] <suicideducky> something*
[01:49] <suicideducky> :-/
[01:50] <mr_pouit> to sign the changes file
[01:50] <suicideducky> and how do i obtain one?
[01:51] <mr_pouit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[01:51] <suicideducky> thanks :)
[02:09] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: I believe backport requests should be done by filing a bug in the edgy-backports product, no in the ubuntu package
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: ah.  i subscribed the backport team.  *shrug*
[02:10] <imbrandon> Adri2000, correct
[02:10] <Adri2000> and there is already a bug filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/edgy-backports/+bug/76834
[02:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76834 in edgy-backports "backport supertux" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:20] <tsmithe> !seen sistpoty
[04:20] <ubotu> I last saw sistpoty (n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty) 11h 29m 12s ago, quiting: "Reason #312: Dopefish spotted."
[04:21] <tsmithe> bah
[05:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:54] <rmjb_> hey bddebian
[05:55] <bddebian> Heya rmjb
[05:57] <cypherbios> hello bddebian
[05:58] <bddebian> Heya cyper
[05:58] <bddebian> Err cypherbios
[05:58] <cypherbios> :)
[05:59] <rmjb_> ./configure --libdir=/usr/lib/<package name> *should* put all the files that would have ended up in /usr/lib into /usr/lib/<package name> right??
[06:00] <rmjb_> cause that is not happening for me :(
[06:02] <tsmithe> siretart, i uploaded a new version of asoundconf-gtk in accordance with sistpoty's comments: could you have another look, please? it's at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3876
[06:02] <tsmithe> thanks - i gotta go now
[06:11] <cypherbios> bddebian: when an package are uploaded to archives, how it is updated, is still done on REVU? or only an MOTU can keep updating the package on archive?
[06:12] <geser> cypherbios: only a MOTU can upload to the archive
[06:13] <geser> but everybody can prepare a debdiff and a MOTU can sponsor the upload
[06:13] <cypherbios> geser: so I (as non-motu) should keep contact with an motu to update the changes made on my package, right?
[06:14] <geser> cypherbios: right
[06:16] <cypherbios> geser: humm, thanks :)
[06:18] <rmjb> anyone has experience setting configure options when using cdbs? I've tried COMMON_CONFIGURE_FLAGS and DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS and neither seems to take
[06:24] <Adri2000> rmjb: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --enable-gtk-doc < that works
[06:24] <mr_pouit> rmjb: I have already used DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS and it worked
[06:24] <mr_pouit> Adri2000: :D
[06:24] <Adri2000> :)
[06:25] <rmjb> I just got it... I had to put the option *after* the include for autotools.mk
[06:25] <rmjb> also I'm still confused about the := vs = but I have just = and it works
[06:25] <rmjb> hey jdong
[06:25] <jdong> hey rmjb
[06:25] <jdong> wow, azureus is no longer that big a memory hog with sun-java6 :D
[06:26] <jdong> it's staying around 50-60MB RSS
[06:26] <rmjb> where'd you get the new jvm?
[06:26] <jdong> rmjb: built from feisty
[06:26] <jdong> (prevu)
[06:26] <rmjb> ok
[06:26] <jdong> cleanly backports to Edgy
[06:26] <rmjb> that's the gpl'd one?
[06:26] <jdong> no
[06:27] <jdong> no stable release of java is gpl'd yet
[06:27] <jdong> the next generation java platform is the GPL'd one
[06:27] <jdong> it's all svn and beta-y right now
[06:27] <rmjb> java 7??
[06:27] <jdong> probably
[06:27] <jdong> the j2me platform is gpl'd already
[06:27] <jdong> like yesterday I saw that
[06:27] <rmjb> I thought they wanted the gpl'd java out in time for feisty...
[06:28] <jdong> it will be...
[06:28] <jdong> they promise Q1 07
[06:28] <jdong> for a stable gpl'd java
[06:28] <rmjb> that seems like a short time to role out a new version of java, esp since 6 is still new(ish)
[06:29] <jdong> I know
[06:29] <jdong> I don't know if it'll meet its deadline
[06:29] <jdong> wow java6 is faster too
[06:29] <jdong> with azureus especially
[06:30] <rmjb> hey jdong I have a backport request for dmraid: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/68294
[06:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68294 in dmraid "Please backport dmraid to edgy - works in feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:30] <jdong> there's no longer that lag opening up new dialogs/windows
[06:30] <jdong> it feels native if I didn't know better :D
[06:30] <rmjb> it backports cleanly to edgy and I'm using it on edgy too... it also fixes a nasty bug in edgy
[06:30] <rmjb> when you get a chance can you take a look?
[06:30] <jdong> rmjb: I'm not gonna process any more backports until ubuntu-archive clears the current queue of them
[06:30] <jdong> (which hasn't been done in a few weeks)
[06:30] <rmjb> oh...
[06:30] <jdong> otherwise the info just gets stale
[06:31] <rmjb> I noticed a slowdown on the backport list from you
[06:31] <rmjb> just thought you were winding down for the holidays :)
[06:32] <jdong> naw it's more because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=
[06:32] <jdong> and likewise for edgy
[06:32] <jdong> all around two weeks old :)
[06:33] <jdong> I'm gonna give -archive a chance to catch up before I snowball more packages
[06:34] <rmjb> cool
[06:34] <rmjb> if you want to check out more java6 goodness check out https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/binary-builds.html
[06:34] <rmjb> it's supposed to be a 3d desktop done in java
[06:34] <jdong> hehe :)
[06:34] <jdong> yeah looking glass
[06:34] <jdong> I used to play around with it
[06:35] <rmjb> I'm d/ling it now
[06:35] <imbrandon> rmjb, that works fine on java5 too, they demo'd it for us at UDS
[06:35] <imbrandon> brb
[06:35] <LaserJock> morning MOTU people
[06:35] <jdong> I'd expect it to work on java5
[06:35] <jdong> but java6 is significantly faster
[06:35] <rmjb> it looks better (more useful) than compiz, beryl and aero
[06:35] <jdong> it's not even funny :)
[06:36] <rmjb> they have ubuntu debs on that page for java6, java3d and looking glass
[06:36] <LaserJock> rmjb: that Glass stuff?
[06:36] <rmjb> yeah
[06:36] <LaserJock> yeah, I was pretty impressed at UDS
[06:36] <LaserJock> it was pretty blingy but I could see that some of the stuff was actually pretty handy
[06:37] <LaserJock> stuff like attaching a terminal window to the back of another windows
[06:37] <rmjb> yeah, I saw a video for it, they actually did useful stuff... not just flaming menus
[06:37] <LaserJock> so you can flip a window over and have a terminal for that task
[06:37] <rmjb> though those are cool too
[06:40] <LaserJock> the panaramic view of the desktop was interesting
[06:41] <LaserJock> associating places in the background with desktops, etc.
[06:42] <rmjb> Adri2000 or mr_pouit or anyone else, if I want to put a variable into my DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS how'd I do that? I've got DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS = --libdir=$(prefix)/lib/pmplib but that fails
[06:42] <rmjb> I've also tried ${prefix} and "\${prefix}/lib/pmplib"
[06:43] <rmjb> LaserJock: I'll soon see... :)
[06:44] <jdong> grr, why do I have to find and complain about all the unmounting bugs?
[06:44] <jdong> lol
[06:47] <LaserJock> jdong: maybe you're the only person that unmounts things :-)
[06:49] <jdong> oh yeah of course :)
[06:49] <jdong> apparently everyone else has outgrown USB sticks?
[06:50] <jdong> or just don't realize that it'll take 45 more seconds after the icon disappears before all the data is actually ON the device ;-)
[06:50] <LaserJock> I've never seen an unmounting bug, what happens?
[06:50] <jdong> LaserJock: icon disappears while buffers are still flushing
[06:50] <jdong> yank out the drive during this time period, poof goes most of your data
[06:50] <jdong> KDE is bitten all-across by it since 3.5.4
[06:51] <jdong> GNOME still has one more unmount method (right click nautilus bookmark pane) that doesn't show the dialog
[06:51] <zorglu_> dunno if it is related, but when one of my usb disk is on sleep and i reboot the box, the shutdown process freeze, and i have to manually switch it off
[06:51] <jdong> it's a pretty plausible data-loss scenario...
[06:52] <jdong> typically there's about 20-30s doomsday window with 512MB RAM, USB2.0
[06:52] <jdong> but worst-case 1GB RAM + USB 1.1 can take in excess of a minute to fully flush
[06:52] <jdong> hence iowait is colored red on all my system monitoring applets
[06:53] <zorglu_> ext3 flush quite requently tho
[06:53] <zorglu_> i dont remember the exact period
[06:53] <jdong> that's ext3
[06:53] <jdong> (5sec, btw)
[06:53] <jdong> though that's technically metadata flushing
[06:53] <zorglu_> which fs are you using ?
[06:54] <jdong> FAT32 thumb drive
[06:54] <zorglu_> there are no periodic flush on fat32 ?
[06:54] <jdong> pdflush.
[06:54] <zorglu_> ok
[06:54] <jdong> which flushes 0.x% of dirtiness every n centisecs
[06:55] <jdong> but for copy-a-file-and-unmount usecases, that's never enough to get the job done
[06:55] <jdong> typically for me there's 15 secs of unmount delay before all the data is flushed
[06:56] <jdong> I use my USB pendrives primarily to transfer medium-sized files to my slow wireless-linked boxes
[06:56] <jdong> (1mbit wifi links... no fun for scp)
[06:57] <LaserJock> hmm, I haven't had a problem with that yet
[06:57] <jdong> LaserJock: you a GNOME user?
[06:57] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:57] <zorglu_> i remember the 'sync && sync && umount' time :)
[06:57] <LaserJock> mostly
[06:57] <jdong> yeah, gnome users are pretty safe
[06:57] <jdong> you get the bouncy unmounting dialog
[06:57] <jdong> except in once case I just discovered of course
[06:58] <LaserJock> KDE just loses the icon too fast?
[06:58] <jdong> LaserJock: immediately the icon is gone
[06:58] <jdong> LaserJock: I mean instantly. poof. :)
[06:58] <zorglu_> oh and you say that the user may unplug the disk, wrongly thinking it is safe ?
[06:58] <jdong> exactly
[06:58] <jdong> I've made that mistake before
[06:59] <jdong> so it's not out-of-the-question
[06:59] <zorglu_> my dapper got a icon option 'safely remove' for usb disk here
[06:59] <jdong> zorglu_: in Edgy, safely remove immediately destroys the icon
[06:59] <jdong> while the umount is still active in the background
[06:59] <jdong> in Dapper, KDE had a progress dialog pop up
[06:59] <jdong> that said Unmounting... until it was all synced
[07:00] <jdong> but that disappeared in Edgy
[07:00] <rmjb> okay maybe I unmount sometimes... and when I do it by going to My Computer and right clicking then Eject it writes then ejects
[07:00] <jdong> (bug 61946)
[07:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[07:00] <zorglu_> really ? here on dapper, 'safely remove' pop up a dialog 'need to be root' without proposing to put the root passwd
[07:00] <jdong> zorglu_: then your setup is weird :)
[07:00] <rmjb> other times it doesn't write then eject, it just goes away fast
[07:00] <zorglu_> :)
[07:01] <jdong> it defnitely worked perfectly in Dapper
[07:01] <jdong> rmjb: GNOME handles it gracefully
[07:01] <jdong> rmjb: see bug 32643
[07:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32643 in nautilus "unmounting of removable drives should show a progress dialog" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32643
[07:01] <jdong> I complained about it in Feburary
[07:01] <jdong> actually a bit before then
[07:01] <jdong> and that's how it got fixed in GNOME
[07:53] <LaserJock> ok, did my blogging for today
[07:54] <LaserJock> thank goodness my inlaws have cable
[07:55] <PriceChild> hehe LaserJock i know what you look like :P
[07:56] <LaserJock> I know what you look like too ;-)
[07:56] <PriceChild> :)
[07:57] <neutrinomass> Several packages depend on iceweasel but it's not in feisty... should I request a sync ?
[07:57] <LaserJock> hmm, do they have a hard dependency?
[07:57] <neutrinomass> And does it make sense to file -build1 changelogs to packages that need rebuilding or will that be done automatically at some point anyway ?
[07:57] <LaserJock> I would think they would do a iceweasel | firefox or something
[07:58] <LaserJock> neutrinomass: if it's something that rarely gets rebuilt then sure
[07:58] <geser> neutrinomass: I doubt iceweasel will get synced
[07:58] <neutrinomass> Depends: iceweasel | iceape-browser
[07:58] <LaserJock> bah
[07:58] <neutrinomass> (for mozilla-diggler )
[07:58] <LaserJock> we're going to have to merge those I think
[07:59] <neutrinomass> LaserJock: Cool thanks ... I wasn't sure whether there's any automatic rebuilding going on
[07:59] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[07:59] <LaserJock> generally once it's succesfully built that's it
[08:00] <LaserJock> neutrinomass: you might ask -devel if iceweasel is going to go into Universe or not
[08:00] <neutrinomass> LaserJock: There's about 10 mozilla-* packages that depend that way ...
[08:00] <LaserJock> yeah, it's certainly be easier maintainence wise, but I don't know if that's really the solution
[08:01] <LaserJock> because people will already have firefox installed
[08:01] <LaserJock> so those packages will basically make them install 2 versions of firefox
[08:01] <LaserJock> which is nasty to do
[08:02] <neutrinomass> true ... Do you know if there's a reason they chose not to depend on firefox? It doesn't really make sense (other than wanting to push iceweasel)
[08:02] <LaserJock> in that light, I think it would probably be better for our users to have a | firefox
[08:02] <LaserJock> neutrinomass: they have no firefox package I don't think
[08:03] <neutrinomass> True... they moved it to non-free or whatnot so they wouldn't want to move everything there
[08:03] <neutrinomass> LaserJock: So should I file bugs and add a | firefox ?
[08:04] <LaserJock> in my opinion yes, but it might be better to ask the higher up how we want to handle it because it does effect a decent number of packages
[08:04] <LaserJock> ok, I'm off
[08:04] <LaserJock> cya all
[08:32] <Adri2000> geser: ping, could you upload a few things for me now? 2 new upstream releases
[08:33] <geser> Adri2000: which ones?
[08:34] <Adri2000> the packages are libdjconsole and djplay (I'm the original maintainer in ubuntu for both), djplay uses libdjconsole, so the best would be to upload first libdjconsole, and once it is built, upload djplay
[08:35] <Adri2000> everything is here: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/
[08:42] <Adri2000> geser: ^
[08:43] <geser> Adri2000: according to /etc/udev/rules.d/README your udev file in libdjconsole should be 45-... instead of 40-...
[08:47] <Adri2000> geser: hmm ok, and I should change that in the package but upstream can keep the 40-?
[08:47] <geser> yes
[08:49] <Adri2000> ok, I'm fixing that
[08:50] <Adri2000> building...
[08:54] <Adri2000> debian/tmp/etc/udev/rules.d/40-hpdjconsole.rules /etc/udev.d/45-hpdjconsole.rules
[08:54] <Adri2000> ./etc/udev.d/45-hpdjconsole.rules/40-hpdjconsole.rules
[08:54] <Adri2000> :-/
[08:54] <Adri2000> I can't do that in a .install maybe?
[08:55] <geser> I don't know
[08:55] <Adri2000> I will do that in debian/rules
[09:02] <Adri2000> ./etc/udev/rules.d/45-hpdjconsole.rules
[09:02] <Adri2000> better :)
[09:03] <geser> yes :)
[09:04] <Adri2000> geser: thanks for this review :p updated diff.gz and dsc at the same url :)
[09:19] <Adri2000> geser: it seems ok now?
[09:20] <geser> yes, I already uploaded libdjconsole and I'm waiting now on the accepted mail
[09:20] <geser> the mail is there
[09:20] <Adri2000> yeah, thank you!
[09:23] <geser> Adri2000: djplay looks ok, I will upload it once the new libdjconsole is on the archive
[09:23] <Adri2000> okay :)
[09:30] <tsmithe> geser, are you free for revu'age?
[09:32] <geser> tsmithe: I don't have an account on revu and can't comment there
[09:32] <tsmithe> ok
[09:32] <tsmithe> no problemo
[09:44] <siretart> tsmithe: any idea where this comes from? http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/asoundconf-gtk-0612231155/asoundconf-gtk_1.5-1ubuntu4_all.lintian
[09:44] <tsmithe> no
[09:44] <tsmithe> i haven't changed the file since before
[09:44] <tsmithe> that's really weird
[09:44] <tsmithe> and it works fine on my system
[09:45] <tsmithe> putting it in System/Preferences
[09:48] <fdoving> lintian is refering to the debian-menu thing.
[09:48] <tsmithe> i know
[09:49] <tsmithe> i mean - i haven't changed the file, and it works on my system...
[09:49] <tsmithe> what to do?
[09:51] <fdoving> tsmithe: even if it works it's not given it's done the right way.
[09:51] <tsmithe> i can see that
[09:51] <tsmithe> but, as i said, what to do?
[09:51] <fdoving> tsmithe: first, debian menu requires a .xpm icon, you don't provide that. second, you need to put it in an already existing section, not creating your own like you do.
[09:51] <tsmithe> ok
[09:52] <tsmithe> but - it's not in a different section on my machine... i'll do as you say, but i find it strange
[09:54] <fdoving> do you even use the debian menu system?
[09:54] <fdoving> do you have the package 'menu' installed?
[09:54] <tsmithe> nope ... i understand the problem now
[09:54] <tsmithe> i did
[09:54] <tsmithe> but not any more
[09:54] <fdoving> 'man menufile'
[09:55] <tsmithe> thanks
[09:55] <tsmithe> :)
[09:55] <fdoving> you can simply remove the debian/*.menu file to escape the simplest way.
[09:56] <tsmithe> i think i'll just do that
[09:56] <tsmithe> i thought it was for a freedesktop-esque file
[10:05] <tsmithe> well, i've made another upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3882
[10:05] <tsmithe> if anyone would be so kind as to revu it
[10:36] <Adri2000> geser: I have another upload (just a debdiff) ready, if you are not too tired of sponsoring :P
[10:37] <geser> Adri2000: ok
[10:38] <Adri2000> bug 76996
[10:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76996 in amule "better icon for amule" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76996
[10:58] <mato> Hello. Could the REVU admin to re-sync the "REVU uploaders keyring" please?
[11:01] <mato> Hi Spacey. Do you have time? I would like to ask something concerning uploading new Ubuntu packages.
[11:03] <spacey> mato: i'm afraid i cannot help you with that. i'm not a package maintainter
[11:03] <Adri2000> matid: if it's just a question, ask
[11:03] <Adri2000> s/matid/mato/
[11:05] <mato> I have created several packages for personal use for software not available in Ubuntu (yet). I would like to upload it to REVU, so that perhaps someone will be willing to review them.
[11:05] <mato> I am registered at Launchpad.
[11:05] <Adri2000> ok, you just need a keyring sync
[11:05] <mato> The manual reads that some of the admins has to "re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring". Is here some such person?
[11:06] <mato> I am not sure precisely what it is, but I guess so.
[11:06] <Adri2000> ping ajmitch siretart for a keyring sync
[11:08] <mato> thanks
[11:20] <tsmithe> in feisty universe, the compiz packages are from fd.o right?
[11:25] <siretart> Adri2000: done


[03:52] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: small azure PR if you have time https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11965
[04:03] <kelvinliu> wallyworld:  lgtm ty
[04:04] <wallyworld> gr8 ty
[06:40] <flxfoo> Hi all,
[06:40] <flxfoo> Quick questions
[06:40] <flxfoo> About controller and amazon
[06:41] <flxfoo> when stopping an instance, amazon release public ip. So if I have a juju client trying to connect with a (re)started controller , it can not reach it as public ip changed.
[06:41] <flxfoo> how do you guys deal with that?
[06:42] <flxfoo> I can change .local/share/juju/controllers.yaml file, but if so, is there any side effect due to the change of the controller public ip?
[06:43] <flxfoo> (I sniffed that juju instances communicate with controller through the public ip and private ip)
[06:44] <flxfoo> sumarized question would be: does controller public ip changes impact anything else like models or instances?
[06:52] <wallyworld> flxfoo: if the controller has been set up in a HA cluster, the IP addresses of the controllers are used to configure the mongo replicaset. for a single controller, changing the IP in controllers.yaml should be ok. for HA controllers, I think the new IP address would get shared with the other controllers when it restarts so will hopefully be ok in that case too
[06:54] <flxfoo> wallyworld:thanks, the controller is not under HA.
[06:54] <flxfoo> wallyworld:let's say just one controller...
[06:54] <wallyworld> should be ok then
[06:55] <flxfoo> wallyworld:a quick one (on top)
[06:56] <flxfoo> it is possible to use Elastic IP amazon product, and that IP would not then change. Is there a way to set that IP when bootstrapping a controller?
[06:56] <flxfoo> (I am pretty sure it is not) I did not find any kind of setting in bottstrap constraint related to that (in aws mode)
[09:35] <achilleasa> manadart: small PR https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/315
[10:15] <achilleasa> manadart: I wonder whether the (expose-to-spaces and expose-to-cidrs) parameters should only be allowed to be specified via an overlay...
[10:15] <achilleasa> the exposed-endpoints one is fine to include in a generic bundle
[10:15] <achilleasa> but spaces are deployment-specific, right?
[11:17] <icey> any ideas why, on juju 2.8.1, I'd have models get stuck destroying: 'zaza-ad0927e3d0a7*  serverstack/serverstack  openstack  destroying         0      -  admin   38 minutes ago'?
[11:17] <icey> it sesms fairly reliable for me, and if I create another model, no resources from that model will be deletable
[11:49] <achilleasa> manadart: followup PR to charm https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/316
[12:20] <achilleasa> manadart: another small one, this time for bundlechanges https://github.com/juju/bundlechanges/pull/66
[12:41] <achilleasa> manadart: is this ok or do we need more tests? https://github.com/juju/bundlechanges/pull/66/commits/1f1bf821bf24d7909faf36aff648f87a9aafe129
[12:44] <manadart> achilleasa: Good to go, I think.
[12:45] <achilleasa> I think I may need to do the same for pylibjuju so I created a card so as not to forget and will check with Simon when he's back
[14:22] <jam> morning all
[15:40] <pmatulis> is there any reason why i should not use --force with destroy-model ?
[20:49] <jam> @pmatulis, generally we don't recommend --force by default, as it allows us to bypass certain checks and may leave things behind like security rules/storage/etc.
[20:49] <jam> I don't know the specifics, but usually --force says "if I get a failure trying to cleanup a resource, keep tearing down the rest"
[22:46] <pmatulis> jam, alright


[16:06] <chris_99> Hey, i'm just wondering, i'm compiling for ARM (Pi) which is working fine with the armhf libs i installed via apt-get, but i also want to compile a program using an am64 version of a library (msgpack) for both amd64 and armhf, is there not a way to install libmsgpack-dev:am64 and  libmsgpack-dev:armhf?


[08:33] <junaidali> Guys, is it possible to deploy an application on a machine with either a tag test1 or test2?
[08:34] <junaidali> cloud provider is MAAS
[13:06] <mark-dickie> junaidali: You can use the --constraints tags=<tag> parameter.
[13:08] <junaidali> mark-dickie: can we specify a constraints like `--constraints tags=<test1 or test2>`?
[13:10] <junaidali> to deply on a machine with a tag either test1 or tes2*
[14:07] <bdx> did something come across about being able to deploy bundles to pre-existing machines recently?
[14:11] <rick_h> bdx: it's something being hacked on in the side time.
[14:28] <bdx> rick_h: thx
[16:56] <andrew-ii> A best practice question of MAAS and Juju: does my Juju controller need to run on its own MAAS node, or would it be reasonable to run on the MAAS controller?
[17:05] <rick_h> andrew-ii: so for testing definitely so what makes sense
[17:06] <rick_h> andrew-ii: but for production, with an HA controller setup we recommend own nodes so that you can migrate and have full safety of those controllers
[17:08] <andrew-ii> rick_h: does that impact bringing Juju charms on the internet, when MAAS is the proxy for everything (any challenges I should watch for?)
[17:08] <andrew-ii> (I am planning to use Openstack)
[17:09] <rick_h> andrew-ii: so if maas is proxying for the nodes that come up it should be ok. One thing folks have done is to manually create a VM and register that in maas
[17:09] <rick_h> so you bootstrap to MAAS, but use constraints (--to=xxx) to target the VM node in maas for the controller
[17:10] <andrew-ii> Huh. Neat. That's a pretty cool design
[17:17] <rick_h> andrew-ii: yea, it helps isolate the controller in case you need to blow stuff away later and keeps everything behaving as normal maas setup
[17:28] <andrew-ii> Thanks rick_h. I have the hardware to make that work, I just wanted to make sure I didn't shoot myself in the foot at the start
[17:46] <jamesbenson> Hi all, so I've moved my maas controller to a hyper-v server and I'm trying to move my juju controller there, but having issues.  I'd rather have a VM host this than a full node.  Has anyone else done this?
[17:48] <rick_h> jamesbenson: moving an already running controller?
[17:48] <jamesbenson> fresh is fine with me :-)
[17:48] <jamesbenson> I was having issues deploying the controller in a VM because I didnt' get the reboot typing right...
[17:48] <jamesbenson> since maas can't do hyper-v
[17:49] <rick_h> jamesbenson: hmm, k. so I don't know about maas and hyper-v tbh. If you can get it registered in maas just tag the node with a special tag and bootstrap --constraints to target it during bootstrap
[17:50] <jamesbenson> yeah, I got the VM registered on Maas, but the power types don't exist for hyper-v... tagging was the way to go though for making sure it got the right one
[19:22] <xarses> snaps, why does it always have to be snaps...
[19:25] <xarses> seriously though, all of the charms tools versions where switched to snaps
[19:26] <xarses> and aparently snapd doesn't run on this box, and its installed and there is no service for it
[19:30] <pmatulis>  xarses what is the nature of your box?
[19:33] <xarses> wsl, 12.04
[19:33] <xarses> all of the docs for all the juju versions had non-snap directions a few months ago
[19:35] <xarses> erm, 14.04 even
[19:37] <pmatulis> xarses, i know. it was changed to snaps b/c the PPA wasn't supported anymore
[19:38] <pmatulis> it may still work
[19:39] <xarses> ppa's have been removed totally? or just for charms project?
[19:41] <hallyn> axw: sure I can give each DC a different name.  thanks i'll give that a shot.
[19:44] <pmatulis> xarses, just charm tools
[19:46] <pmatulis> and like i said, it may still work
[19:47] <xarses> sigh, sounds not fun
[19:47] <pmatulis> https://launchpad.net/charm-tools
[20:10] <[Kid]> is there a way to run the juju controller in a lxc container on a remote node?
[20:10] <[Kid]> instead of localhost
[20:10] <[Kid]> i tried juju bootstrap maas maas-controller --to lxd:containername but it didn't like that
[20:57] <rick_h> [Kid]: not atm, it's not supported.
[21:05] <[Kid]> ok, then how about HA between two localhost controllers?
[21:05] <[Kid]> on different physical hosts
[21:05] <[Kid]> provided they can talk to each other?
[21:06] <[Kid]> i.e. lxd network bridge on each host
[21:06] <rick_h> [Kid]: so at the moment that's waiting on some work taking place in lxd to enable building a lxd cluster.
[21:06] <rick_h> [Kid]: then it'll allow juju to treat it as a cloud and lxd will provision containers and load balance and such
[21:07] <[Kid]> so it will basically be an lxd cloud?
[21:07] <[Kid]> lxd cloud provider
[21:07] <rick_h> [Kid]: the best thing at the moment is to build a lxd environment on each machine and use the cross model relations feature in the upcoming 2.3 release (in beta now) to have things speak across the machines
[21:07] <rick_h> [Kid]: exactly
[21:07] <rick_h> [Kid]: take 5 machines, build a lxd cluster on them, and point juju at them to manage multiple models of running applications
[21:08] <[Kid]> that sounds perfect
[21:08] <[Kid]> but that is waiting on some work in lxd right now?
[21:09] <rick_h> [Kid]: right
[21:10] <[Kid]> could i not just build a controller on each physical machine right now under the same model and do a juju enable-ha?
[21:11] <[Kid]> brb, i would like to finish this shortly


[17:55] <ahoneybun> pleia2: want to fly down to Fl for a Women IT event on July 20?
[17:55] <ahoneybun> or send stickers :)
[17:58] <pleia2> ahoneybun: I can check to see if I have any Ubuntu Women stickers left :)
[17:58] <pleia2> too short notice to come down though, have other plans
[17:59] <ahoneybun> of course I figured I'd try
[17:59] <ahoneybun> lol
[18:00] <pleia2> ahoneybun: can you email me to remind me to look later? (doing work things now)
[18:00] <pleia2> + remind me of your addres :)
[18:01] <ahoneybun> XD
[18:01] <ahoneybun> email or pm?
[18:02] <pleia2> email please
[18:03] <ahoneybun> k
[18:05] <ahoneybun> sent


[07:10] <Kilos> good morning from south africa, can someone please help me with a problem with an upload to ubuntuone
[07:11] <Kilos> the upload stopped at 465 meg and is an 677 meg .iso i want to save
[07:12] <Kilos> how do i complete the upload. im no a pc expert but been using ubuntu since 9.10
[07:12] <Kilos> have got 12.04 here now
[07:19] <Kilos> i dont know if sync does the function or how to complete the upload without starting agin. bandwidth is very limited
[07:30] <Kilos> *again
[20:03] <Hil4vitkutin> hey? I've contacted Ubuntu One support by filling out this form here https://one.ubuntu.com/help/contact/ and asked for a copy of the information they hold about me, but I have waited almost for a week for a answer. Is this normal?
[20:11] <Hil4vitkutin> this channel seems to be quite silent..
[20:15] <lifeless> it is the weekend