[00:30] <paulproteus> BTW, for those who care about server self-hosting, I'm co-hosting a meetup about Sandstorm, an easy-to-use web app package manager, on Thu 6/18.
[00:30] <paulproteus> http://www.meetup.com/Sandstorm-SF-Bay-Area/events/223113702/ is the RSVP link
[00:30] <darthrobot> [403] Title: [Attention Required! | CloudFlare]
[00:31] <paulproteus> [...]
[00:31] <paulproteus> It's a project I work on, and we're lucky to have David Renshaw in town, who wrote the code in Sandstorm that implements app permissions & sharing. Sandstorm is a bit interesting in that it unifies login for all the web apps you install on a server, applying the Google Docs sharing model to whole apps.
[00:32] <paulproteus> So anyway, I'd love to see people there and am happy to answer questions here!
[00:32] <paulproteus> Oh and it's 6 PM in San Francisco and there's food. (-:
[00:35] <nhaines> In unrelated news, the Southern California Linux Expo just announced that SCALE 14x will be at the Pasadena Convention Center from January 21st-24, 2016.
[02:17] <paulproteus> nhaines: Awesome!
[02:19] <ianorlyn> hmm that means a bit of a longer drive for me
[08:05] <blitz> that's a block from my old office :\


[00:39] <ChinnoDog> Peeps that don't do Ubuntu for a living: What is a good way to list your involvement on a resume?
[00:43] <teddy-dbear> have
[00:43] <teddy-dbear> dang paws!
[00:43] <teddy-dbear> have someone else do it for you ;-)
[01:30] <n2diy> Looking for opinions on using Dropbox?
[01:31] <EvilResistance> ugh evil system explosions are evil >.>
[01:37] <anduril> did the system eat too much indian food?
[01:37] <anduril> n2diy drop box is pretty rad. I love synching stuff between my multiple computers, phone, etc.
[01:37] <EvilResistance> nope, hard disk corruption
[01:38] <n2diy> tab doesn't work here!?
[01:39] <n2diy> anduril, yes, I like the idea of having off line back ups.
[01:39] <EvilResistance> n2diy:  why are you using xchag 0.26.1?
[01:39] <EvilResistance> you should upgrade to 2.8.x
[01:40] <anduril> n2diy keep in mind though they're only offline once they've synch'd. so, I wouldn't really call it a "backup"
[01:40] <anduril> and if a file is corrupted on one machine it could go to all machines
[01:40] <n2diy> EvilResistance, I just upgraded to 11.04, and this is what came with the packages.
[01:40] <EvilResistance> n2diy:  did you enable multiverse and universe?
[01:40] <EvilResistance> because if you enable those you get newer versions
[01:41] <n2diy> EvilResistance, no, not since I upgraded.
[01:41] <EvilResistance> you should :P
[01:41] <n2diy> EvilResistance, yes, I will in a second. :)
[01:42] <n2diy> anduril, roger that, between U1 and Dropbox, I think I'll be ok.
[01:42]  * EvilResistance drops dropbox's security flaws list into n2diy's lap
[01:46] <n2diy> EvilResistance, multiverse and universe are enabled, so that carried over from the upgrade, synaptics is showing version 1.6
[01:46] <EvilResistance> 1.6-ubuntu1?
[01:46] <EvilResistance> if so, you need to slap yourself
[01:46] <n2diy> xchat-gnome
[01:46] <EvilResistance> and reenable multiverse and universe
[01:46] <EvilResistance> and dont rely on synaptic to tell you if they're reenabled
[01:46] <EvilResistance> because they arent
[01:47] <anduril> EvilResistance trusting anyone thats a "cloud" is retarded. However, welcome to the internet
[01:48] <anduril> you want shit secure bury it under 10ft of concrete unplugged
[01:48] <n2diy> Don't trust synaptic! =:O
[01:49] <EvilResistance> anduril:  or bury it in a bunker and seal the bunker.  and disconnectit as well :P
[01:49] <anduril> nah I like a volcano
[01:49] <anduril> it seals itself
[01:49]  * EvilResistance would rather just encrypt the drive and then reencrypt it, and then encrypt it a third time
[01:49] <EvilResistance> and then i'd shoot the computer :Pp
[01:50] <anduril> thermite is the only answer
[01:50] <EvilResistance> heh
[01:50] <EvilResistance> could just set a 5 pound brick of C4 on the hard disk, run away and then watch the fireworks :;p
[01:50] <anduril> thermite is alot prettier
[01:51] <EvilResistance> unless you just want to watch something explode and not melt :P
[01:51] <EvilResistance> ooh ooh i knowe
[01:51] <EvilResistance> incendiary explosives.  :P
[01:51] <n2diy> I didn't see an easy way to view sources with apt-get?
[01:51] <EvilResistance> (thermite isnt an explosive)
[01:52] <EvilResistance> n2diy:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:52] <anduril> n2diy terminal
[01:52] <anduril> oops too slow
[01:52] <n2diy> nano? ha ha
[01:54] <anduril> nano rocks
[01:55] <n2diy> universe and multiverse are listed in sources.list
[01:55] <anduril> especially since its not so gdamn strango/complex as vim/emacs
[01:56] <n2diy> anduril, roger that! It's so much easier to just double click on the file in Thunar (Xubuntu)
[01:58] <n2diy> ok, I'm off to play with Dropbox.
[03:46] <MutantTurkey> waltman: next time, I ended up in a rather boring debugging session for cmake builds of tde..
[03:47] <MutantTurkey> wednesday I'll be around
[03:49] <waltman> MutantTurkey: I have a research talk online? News to me!
[03:51] <MutantTurkey> Yeah on youtube
[03:51] <waltman> What was I talking about?
[03:52] <waltman> Something to with perl?
[03:52] <MutantTurkey> no you were talking about one of your research papers
[03:52] <MutantTurkey> canonical something
[03:53] <waltman> Oh, that!
[04:07] <MutantTurkey> yes that
[10:49] <rmg51> Morning
[14:08] <InHisName> Good Morning
[14:34] <n2diy> I'm confused about how you refer to a hidden file or diretory, /home/darryl./kde/... doesn't look right?
[14:38] <andrew> /home/darryl/.kde/
[14:38] <andrew> n2diy: ^
[14:38] <andrew> The dot prefixes the filename
[14:39] <n2diy> andrew, ok, thanks.
[14:44] <andrew> Putting the dot in when naming the folder/file tells the system that it's a hidden file, unlike in windows where it is a flag
[16:26] <sadin_> Drupal is starting to look like a very promising CMS
[16:40] <MutantTurkey> class is so dull
[16:46] <adom> what class?
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> Poli Sci
[16:54] <adom> oh. yeah that's not fun.
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> killing me
[17:04] <MobileTurkey> weeep woop
[20:23] <MobileTurkey> yawn
[20:23] <MobileTurkey> another sleepy day on the channel
[20:23] <adom> i just solved a huge issue with my FOG imaging deployment server
[20:25] <Sadin> MobileTurkey im really starting appretiate drupal
[20:25] <Sadin> huge fucking learning curve :/
[20:27] <MobileTurkey> Drupal is cool I guess
[20:28] <Sadin> MobileTurkey i kinda lik it cause its by everyone more or less
[20:28] <Sadin> like*
[20:28] <Sadin> you know php right?
[20:29] <MobileTurkey> yeah
[20:29] <Sadin> Mobile Turkey cool ever look into the fuel framework?
[20:30] <Sadin> woops MobileTurkey
[20:31] <ChinnoDog> http://krewl.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/224871080.png
[20:31] <ChinnoDog> I think that is an xkcd but I can't find it in the archive
[20:31] <MobileTurkey> ChinnoDog: use tineye
[20:31] <MobileTurkey> http://tineye.com
[20:31] <MobileTurkey> no I haven't. I don't keep up with such stuff usually
[20:32] <Sadin> Mobileturkey well here its really nice and fun to use http://fuelphp.com
[20:33] <MobileTurkey> cool I'll check it out
[20:33] <ChinnoDog> MobileTurkey: that is pretty cool but still doesn't tell me where the original image came from
[20:37] <MobileTurkey> ChinnoDog: huh
[20:37] <MobileTurkey> something dwarf fortress relatd
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> thats what terms popped up with it
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> weird
[21:45] <Sadin> grrr building subthemes in drupal 7 is hard to learn


[12:27] <Grey_Loki> How hard would it be to backdate wine 0.9.34 to say, 0.9.20?
[12:27] <Arkh> backdate?
[12:29] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: "sudo dpkg -r wine-0.9.34" download the other one from an archive site (there are some listed on winehq.com) and then "sudo dpkg -i wine-0.9.20"
[12:29] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: :)
[12:30] <Arkh> oh lol downgrade
[12:30] <Grey_Loki> Heh, yeah
[12:30] <Arkh> if you already have that version
[12:30] <Arkh> you could fire up synaptic
[12:30] <Arkh> search for wine
[12:30] <Arkh> press Ctrl + E
[12:30] <Grey_Loki> I use different words for everything. I think it's because i'm English, or something.
[12:30] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: lol
[12:30] <maxamillion> brb
[12:31] <Arkh> and choose the desired version of the program
[12:36] <Grey_Loki> Mmm. Searching the universe, multiverse, and whatever the original repo is called sure does take a long time :P
[12:42] <wiikii> Hello
[12:43] <wiikii> Exists ubuntu as server?
[12:43] <wiikii> xubuntu *
[12:43] <Grey_Loki> I'm pretty sure there's a server CD, yes.
[12:43] <wiikii> thank you because the ubuntu cd i have installed it and when i reboot without the cd, never loads always is restarting by itself
[12:43] <wiikii> :<
[12:44] <maxamillion> wiikii: server ubuntu is just a command line install of ubuntu without the gui ... so just use the xubuntu alternate cd and select server installation (i don't think it will have LAMP by default though)
[12:45] <wiikii> maxamillion i did i download the alternate but when is loadin to install the base system i got a lot of errors
[12:45] <maxamillion> wiikii: did you check the md5sum of the image after you downloaded it?
[12:46] <wiikii> haha what's that =p sorry i'm a noob
[12:46] <maxamillion> !md5sum | wiikii
[12:46] <ubotu> wiikii: To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[12:46] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[12:46] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:49] <jodas> Hello?
[12:49] <maxamillion> hi
[12:49] <jodas> I do not mean to be a bother but I have the edubuntu version and i'm having trouble with my wireless card.
[12:50] <jodas> I know that this is for Xubuntu.
[12:50] <maxamillion> jodas: ok, which version you running?
[12:50] <maxamillion> jodas: no worries
[12:50] <jodas> 6.10
[12:50] <jodas> Let me tell you what my problem is.
[12:50] <maxamillion> jodas: and do you know what wireless card it is?
[12:50] <maxamillion> ok
[12:50] <jodas> I have the driver and stuff installed.
[12:51] <jodas> It says that the driver and hardware is present
[12:51] <jodas> But under network settings it still does not show up.
[12:51] <Arkh> dmesg?
[12:52] <jodas> My wireless card is Broadcom BCM4318 [Airforce One 54g]  802.11g
[12:52] <Arkh> ohh like mine :p
[12:52] <Arkh> crap cards :<
[12:52] <jodas> I know.
[12:52] <Arkh> 02:08.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[12:52] <jodas> It says that both the driver and hardware are recognized.
[12:52] <jodas> I have rev 2
[12:53] <jodas> I'm just confused on what to do.
[12:53] <jodas> I have been at this for like 10 hours now.
[12:53] <maxamillion> jodas: enter this command "sudo iwlist scan" ... does that return anything?
[12:53] <jodas> Ok.
[12:53] <jodas> Hold on.
[12:53] <maxamillion> k
[12:53] <maxamillion> take your time ... i don't get off work for another hour :/
[12:54] <jodas> Says that they do not support scanning lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:54] <jodas> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:54] <jodas> sit0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:54] <Arkh> jodas are you using an acer?
[12:54] <Arkh> the wifi button is on? :p
[12:54] <jodas> What is that? Sorry I'm new.
[12:54] <jodas> No.
[12:54] <Arkh> laptop brand :p
[12:54] <jodas> I have been trying to get it to turn on.
[12:55] <jodas> No.
[12:55] <jodas> Compaq Presario V2000 :<
[12:55] <Arkh> because on my lappy there is a button that enables it via hardware :D
[12:55] <maxamillion> jodas: what interface is the wifi card?
[12:55] <Arkh> try doing a dmesg | grep wlan
[12:55] <jodas> Ok hold on.
[12:56] <jodas> Nothing.
[12:56] <jodas> Interface? You mean eth1 or something like that?
[12:56] <maxamillion> jodas: yes
[12:56] <Arkh> dmesg | grep eth ?
[12:57] <jodas> It just says error whenever I try to switch over to it.
[12:57] <Grey_Loki> Harumpfh. My wine problem isn't caused by the upgrade to 9.34, it seems. I officially have NFI what's wrong with it. Looks like i'll have to spend a day wiping this laptop, and stick a fresh install of Xubuntu on. Ah well - it was getting a bit cluttered, anyawys.
[12:58] <jodas> It just is not recognized and it does not show up as a interface.
[12:58] <Arkh> jodas, how many network cards do you have?
[12:58] <jodas> Only two.
[12:58] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: a day? ... that only takes me 30 minutes
[12:58] <Grey_Loki> maxamillion, you have the advantage of experience :P
[12:58] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: burn /home/max to cd-r, reformat .... 30 minutes tops ;)
[12:59] <Grey_Loki> My /home dir is larger than a DVD.
[12:59] <Grey_Loki> And I don't understand enough about the linux file organisation structure thingy to put stuff in other places.
[12:59] <maxamillion> oh wow ... yeah i don't have that much stuff
[12:59] <Grey_Loki> I'll be borrowing a friend's USB HDD.
[01:00] <jodas> I told you the Broadcom one that I have.
[01:00] <jodas> The other one works just fine.
[01:00] <Arkh> Compaq Presario V2000
[01:00] <Arkh> ?
[01:00] <jodas> Yeah.
[01:00] <Arkh> I think I have something for you then :p
[01:00] <jodas> Ok.
[01:00] <Arkh> http://www.tux.org/~peterw/v2000/
[01:00] <Arkh> have fun :P
[01:00] <jodas> Hold on.
[01:01] <jodas> Sorry wrong year and drive.
[01:02] <jodas> Maxamillion(admin) you still there?
[01:02] <Arkh> aww too bad
[01:02] <Bon3h3ad> probably a very stupid question, but I am concidering going to xubuntu.  Does it work with wireless NIC Cards?
[01:02] <Arkh> ifconfig eth1 up?
[01:02] <maxamillion> jodas: yeah
[01:02] <jodas> Do you have any suggestions for me?
[01:02] <jodas> I will try yours Arkh.
[01:02] <maxamillion> Bon3h3ad: any wireless card supported by ubuntu is supported under xubuntu
[01:02] <Grey_Loki> Bon3h3ad, it kinda depends on which one - if it's a popular card, it's a fair shout it'd be supported natively.
[01:03] <Grey_Loki> If not, you could always try using NDISWrapper to adapt the Windows driver to your needs.
[01:03] <Bon3h3ad> sweet.  thats all I wanted to know.  Thanks!
[01:03] <maxamillion> Bon3h3ad: anytime
[01:03] <jodas> Says that there is no such drive.
[01:03] <jodas> I'm just really confused.
[01:03] <Arkh> well it doesn't seem that the interface is configured
[01:04] <jodas> Yeah.
[01:04] <jodas> How do I configure it?
[01:04] <maxamillion> jodas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=bcm4318
[01:04] <jodas> Hold on.
[01:04] <jodas> I have been up all morning looking at tutorials and stuff.
[01:05] <maxamillion> jodas: that is how i got the bcm4318 to work on my old work laptop
[01:05] <jodas> Ok.
[01:05] <jodas> Do you have an aim or anything like that?
[01:06] <maxamillion> jodas: i use jabber
[01:06] <jodas> Is that supported by GAIM?
[01:06] <Arkh> indeed
[01:07] <maxamillion> jodas: yeah, but do you have an account on a jabber server?
[01:07] <jodas> No.
[01:07] <jodas> I do not thing so.
[01:07] <Grey_Loki> jodas, just so you know, the correct capitalisation of Gaim is either 'Gaim' or 'gaim', but never 'GAIM'
[01:08] <jodas> Ok.
[01:08] <Grey_Loki> Although the debate is now academic, since I think the project is now called 'Pidgin', or something like that.
[01:08] <maxamillion> jodas: actuall gaim doesn't exist anymore, they got in trouble with AOL and are called Pidgin now
[01:08] <maxamillion> rgr
[01:08] <maxamillion> jodas: anyhoo .... don't worry about jabber, just use aim
[01:08] <jodas> I have it for some reason?
[01:08] <jodas> ?_?
[01:08] <maxamillion> jodas: the name change just happened a few days ago
[01:09] <maxamillion> jodas: did you get my query?
[01:09] <Grey_Loki> maxamillion, what happens to the repos when this sort of thing happens?
[01:09] <Grey_Loki> They just completely remove the 'gaim' packages, and replace it with 'pidgin' packages?
[01:09] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: gaim will probably just become a dummy package that points to pidgin ... just like with debian and iceweasel
[01:10] <Grey_Loki> Aha
[01:11] <maxamillion> accept this will probably have to be done on a large scale among many distros so i'm sure there will eventually come a point where they just say "ok, we're done ... gaim is gone, its called pidgin now"
[01:12] <jodas> In your guide it suggests that I remove ndiswrapper.
[01:13] <jodas> Do you mean just completely uninstall it?
[01:13] <maxamillion> jodas: who is that directed at?
[01:13] <jodas> You.
[01:14] <maxamillion> jodas: where does it say to remove it?
[01:14] <jodas> When it said that the installation is complete.
[01:15] <jodas> Says you may also want to remove the file /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[01:15] <maxamillion> jodas: i don't see that anywhere on here
[01:16] <jodas> Sorry I misspoke.
[01:16] <maxamillion> jodas: it just says "download _this_ _file_ to your Desktop, open a terminal, change directories to desktop, extract, run script, done"
[01:16] <jodas> It is after you are done installing it under the terminal tab.
[01:17] <maxamillion> jodas: terminal tab?
[01:17] <jodas> When you install something.
[01:17] <jodas> You know how you can click on details?
[01:18] <maxamillion> no
[01:18] <maxamillion> what details?
[01:18] <jodas> Hmm...
[01:18] <maxamillion> i have no clue what you are talking about, it should just install and be done with it
[01:18] <jodas> Ok.
[01:18] <maxamillion> jodas: you are looking at this link right? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=bcm4318
[01:19] <jodas> Yeah.
[01:20] <maxamillion> ok, just double checking
[01:29] <Arkh> night
[01:39] <jodas> Hey you still there Maxamillion?
[01:41] <maxamillion> jodas: yeah, for about another 10 minutes ... what's up?
[01:41] <jodas> Hey.
[01:41] <jodas> Thanks.
[01:41] <maxamillion> it worked?
[01:41] <jodas> And what did you say your AIM was again.
[01:41] <jodas> Yes it did.
[01:41] <maxamillion> awesome
[01:42] <maxamillion> i just re-sent my aim sn in pm
[01:42] <Jester45> Hello
[01:43] <jodas> Ok.
[01:43] <maxamillion> Jester45: hiya
[01:43] <jodas> Why is Gaim no longer Gaim anymore?
[01:43] <maxamillion> jodas: they got in trouble with AOL
[01:43] <maxamillion> jodas: full story here -> http://pidgin.im/
[01:43] <jodas> When I upgrade my OS will it be gone then?
[01:43] <jodas> Ok thanks.
[01:44] <maxamillion> jodas: no, i assume there will be a dummy package called gaim that will actually install pidgin, the icon and everything will look the same but it will load and say pidgin instead of gaim
[01:44] <Jester45> thats stupid
[01:44] <maxamillion> jodas: same project, same programmers, just a new name because of legal reasons
[01:45] <jodas> Ok.
[01:45] <jodas> That works.
[01:45] <maxamillion> Jester45: well ... AOL isn't the most intelligent
[01:45] <maxamillion> jodas: :)
[01:45] <jodas> What other types of things dows Gaim support.
[01:45] <Jester45> i would rename it to gain :0
[01:45] <jodas> does*
[01:45] <maxamillion> Jester45: why? ... that doesn't mean anything
[01:45] <Mr_Bunny_> Hello everyone. I broke my login by setting up a bad startup script, and failsafe GNOME kicks me to failsafe xterm, how can I get rid of my startup scripts?
[01:46] <jodas> Well talk to you later.
[01:46] <Jester45> maxamillion, i just like it
[01:46] <maxamillion> jodas: msn messenger, yahoo messenger, icq, jabber, irc, .... and a few others, don't remember it all
[01:46] <maxamillion> Jester45: lol
[01:46] <maxamillion> Mr_Bunny_: where did you save your startup scripts?
[01:47] <maxamillion> actually ... i am getting off work, gotta run
[01:47] <maxamillion> sorry
[01:47] <Mr_Bunny_> maxamillion: I don't know, I used a GUI...
[01:47] <Mr_Bunny_> oh well.
[01:49] <Jester45> he will be back soon if he gets on as soon as he gets home
[01:50] <Jester45> 10-20 mins
[01:50] <Mr_Bunny_> What's the terminal command for launching the search thing?
[01:50] <Mr_Bunny_> 'Cuz find just looks in the immediate directory
[01:53] <Mr_Bunny_> Well, lemme know if anyone knows where the xubunutu startup script GUI saves its files...
[01:55] <ormiret> Mr_Bunny_: I think they're likely to be in .config
[01:56] <Mr_Bunny_> ormiret: In my home directory?
[01:56] <Grey_Loki> Gah. How can you stop opera from using its inbuilt client to handle torrent files?
[01:57] <ormiret> Mr_Bunny_: yes
[01:57] <ormiret> I think there is an autostart directory in there
[01:58] <Mr_Bunny_> Yes, there is! Thank you, rm'ing the script fixed it.
[01:58] <Mr_Bunny_> Why was the command "cd vent && ./ventrilo_srv" so lethal?
[02:03] <Mr_Bunny_> GLX not supported with composite extention?
[02:05] <Mr_Bunny_> I'll answer my own question: Disable the composite extention in an extentions section...
[02:46] <Chili> Hello.
[02:46] <Chili> So, I installed beryl, it wouldn't work, I uninstalled it, it uninstalled succesfully, but the beryl manager is still in my applications...how do I get rid of it?
[03:01] <Chili> Chili: So, I installed beryl, it wouldn't work, I uninstalled it, it uninstalled succesfully, but the beryl manager is still in my applications...how do I get rid of it?
[03:09] <Chili> Also, can anyone tell me why some text in firefox is rendering in all white when the background is also white.
[03:50] <Chili> Anyone there?
[03:51] <bur[n] er_> anyone know if 4.4.1 will get into feisty?
[03:51] <bur[n] er_> http://www.xfce.org/documentation/changelogs/4.4.1
[04:42] <maxamillion> can someone do me a favor?
[05:15] <Pumpernickel> bur[n] er_: It's almost certainly too late for 4.4.1.  They're releasing Feisty in just over a week.
[05:16] <odat> anyone have any experience with 3coms homeconnect webcam?
[05:18] <odat> anyone familiar with kernel patches?
[05:21] <Pumpernickel> Dude, don't make my use !anyone on you.
[05:37] <bur[n] er_> Pumpernickel: of course, but 4.4.1 fixes some crashers... so I figured I'd check
[05:41] <steve__> anyone know how to fix a "No Release Callback" error?
[06:06] <jodas> Hey has anyone ever tried qtparted?
[06:07] <jodas> Hello?
[06:08] <meed> hey
[06:08] <meed> anyone remember my problems from earlier?
[06:11] <meed> trying to get xubuntu to boot from the cd in on a 466mhz pentium 2 era celeron system w/ 256mb ram, no HDD and a pci video card
[06:11] <meed> 6.10
[06:14] <meed> I just booted the disk on much newer computer, I got a much differnet boot screen, was able to check the CD and etc
[06:52] <camer0ff> how do i set up programs to be launched by pressing a key combination? i was able to do it in ubuntu with config editor?
[07:04] <odat> how do i change settings in a .ko file
[07:05] <camer0ff> nano <filename>
[07:05] <camer0ff> ?
[07:07] <camer0ff> odat, i dont think i understand what your trying to ask
[07:07] <crimsun> (I've addressed that question in #ubuntu)
[07:07] <camer0ff> ah fair enough :P
[07:11] <meed>  trying to get xubuntu to boot from the cd in on a 466mhz pentium 2 era celeron system w/ 256mb ram, no HDD and a pci video card. I get a different boot screen when booting the live cd on this machine compaired to my athlon64 system, and I get error msges if I crl alt f1 while it tried to boot, after a while it ends up at a wierd prompt
[07:22] <odat> anyone familiar with kernel patches?
[07:37] <steve__> anyone know how to compile a module
[07:37] <meed> anyone know what the deal with the pengin is?
[07:37] <meed> jk
[07:38] <punsad> okay.. so I finally got around to installing xubuntu... and I must say that I was impressed
[07:39] <punsad> It appeared to run faster than amnsmall linux
[07:39] <punsad> s/amnsmall//damnsmall
[07:40] <punsad> I figure it must e the 2.4 vs 2.6 kernel
[07:40] <punsad> HOEWEVER... my windows2k installation on the same laptop still blows it away
[07:40] <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone seen darthlappy
[07:41] <punsad> both in terms of speed and definitely in terms of functionality... and I want to say disk space requirement as well
[07:41] <steve__> yea right
[07:41] <steve__> anyone know how to compile a module?
[07:44] <punsad> steve__: does your module have a README? or INSTALL file?
[07:45] <steve__> it may be a patch
[07:45] <steve__> kinda weird
[07:47] <steve__> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1443009&forum_id=69637
[07:48] <steve__> ?
[07:49] <punsad> steve__: the link to get to the files seems broken
[07:49] <punsad> http://arron.dnip.net/files/
[07:49] <punsad> I remember having to compile modules for my intel usb cam.. what a pain in the ass
[07:51] <punsad> it did involve untarring the source and running the configure/ make /make modules routine... and then I insmod'ed the module.  The placement of the directory had to be in the source directory for the kernel I was running ... I remember that
[07:54] <punsad> most importantly.. I remember the usb cam working real crappy after all that work
[07:56] <punsad> I'm here to say that for the data I have collected on my laptop (PIII 500MHz, 392MB RAM) - Windows2000 kicked Xubuntu in the ass
[07:57] <punsad> in fact - I haven't found a single operating system that will runs any better on my laptop than Windows2000...
[07:57] <punsad> tried Sarge... slow as hell..
[07:58] <punsad> tried DSL - even running everything from RAM - somewhat fast... but functionality left much to be desired
[07:59] <hooray> anyone use deluge? im trying to install through add/install programs since its not in regular synaptic- but it says i cant install in my system
[07:59] <punsad> now I've tried Xubuntu... I must say I was impressed.  Very pretty looking... but in the end... still slow compared to Windows2000
[08:00] <icicled> punsad, install the new apps such as acrobat reader 7
[08:00] <icicled> and IE 7
[08:00] <punsad> why would I do that?
[08:00] <icicled> and all the newest software you can find
[08:00] <icicled> and then it'll probably be worse off than xubuntu :P
[08:00] <punsad> it's not like Xubuntu is sporting bleeding edge stuff
[08:00] <icicled> yea it is
[08:01] <punsad> I just don't know where all the objective evaluation of software has gone... all I see is hype nowadays
[08:01] <icicled> software is software
[08:02] <icicled> it changes everyday
[08:02] <punsad> I've been running Debian stable as a server for over 8 years now and I *love* plain ole' debian.... but all this fanboyism of ubuntu has got to go
[08:02] <icicled> mmm, i've switched around from distro to distro over the last 6 or so years
[08:02] <icicled> and ubuntu 'just works'
[08:02] <icicled> :P
[08:02] <icicled> so i'm sticking with it
[08:02] <icicled> and it's not too hard to do server style stuff on it
[08:02] <icicled> so all the more reason for me to like it
[08:03] <punsad> debian 'just worked' for me... I'm really surprised how ubuntu took off.
[08:03] <icicled> it had the whole automagic desktop config thing going for it
[08:04] <icicled> that and lots of guides and tutorials
[08:04] <Chili> Does anyone use Azureus?
[08:04] <icicled> there's so much community support
[08:04] <icicled> Chili, when java stops hogging my ram I will :P
[08:04] <icicled> haven't used it in a while
[08:04] <Chili> Heh, what do you use?
[08:04] <icicled> last i used it was about a year ago
[08:04] <icicled> i use deluge-torrent (i think thats the name)
[08:05] <punsad> Chili: I use plain ole' command line bittorrent main line
[08:05] <icicled> it doesn't have fancy features but it works
[08:05] <Chili> Ram has never been a problem for me, I've got 2 gigs, but its giving me a java error.
[08:05] <Chili> So either I was looking for a fix, or an alternative
[08:05] <icicled> search the forums?
[08:05] <Chili> But thats just so hard.
[08:06] <icicled> i know
[08:06] <punsad> Chili: you should check out plain old bittorrent.  I run btdownloadcurses in a screen session and it just kicks ass
[08:06] <icicled> punsad, can you do bandwidth throttling with it?
[08:07] <punsad> icicled: never needed to.. probably not.  I turnon bt and let it run over night.
[08:08] <icicled> heh, i have to have the throttling b/c my phone lines are through the 'net & i leave bt running whenever my comp. is on
[08:08] <punsad> so for all these gui based bt clients - do you actually need to keep the app up all that time.. and the X session?  seems wasteful to me for an app that supposed to just run in the background for a long period of time
[08:09] <punsad> I leave bt running whenever my comp is on as well... but since it's in a curses / screen session, I can just disconnect the screen session and logout.
[08:09] <icicled> punsad, yea well, unless i can do per-app network throttling then i'm gonna keep using gui stuff :P
[08:11] <punsad> thanks all for the interesting discussion... gnite
[08:12] <Chili> So, I'm basically completely new to any form of linux altogether...and I've been wondering. How would I go about installing something like deluge-torrent?
[08:13] <icicled> just when i was about to reply...
[09:00] <Rich_li_ny> How do I download and install VESA drivers from a system prompt (using 6.10)?
[09:10] <varka> Rich_li_ny: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-vesa    then  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf    change Driver to "vesa" in Section "Device"
[09:17] <Rich_li_ny> Varka:  Thanks a bunch .  I'll give it a shot :)
[09:42] <Rich_li_ny> varka: Whooohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  I can see a picture now !!!!!   Thanks a LOT!!!!!!!
[09:43] <varka> Rich_li_ny: no problem
[09:48] <jontec> hey any of you guys over here know about fuse-utils and why it's giving me trouble?
[09:49] <jontec> (kubuntu user but no one else knows anything about it)
[09:50] <dooglus> jontec: you're not a member of group 'fuse'?
[09:50] <dooglus> or you are, but you need to log out and in again before 'id' reports that you are?
[09:51] <jontec> dooglus: 'should be as root, I was just installing packages O_o
[09:52] <jontec> or would that not make a difference?
[09:52] <dooglus> jontec: >
[09:53] <jontec> ?
[09:53] <dooglus> jontec: (that means "I'm unable to parse your previous entry due to unbalanced quotes")
[09:54] <jontec> dooglus: should be as root, I was just installing packages O_o
[09:54] <dooglus> I remember having problems when I installed fuse-utils on ubuntu, a few years ago
[09:54] <jontec> dooglus: or would that not make a difference?
[09:55] <dooglus> when you install the packages, you're hopefully running as root, so it doesn't matter what groups your user is in, no
[09:55] <dooglus> what output are you seeing from the package manager?
[09:56] <jontec> dooglus: this guy had the same exact error (I'm working this install on a live cd on another computer to fix its windows problems (need to delete a malicious file))
[09:56] <jontec> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=369318&highlight=fuse-utils
[09:58] <dooglus> ok, so I'll ask the same questions as the guy who tried to help him:
[09:58] <dooglus> First, do you use debian or ubuntu (or any derivative). Do you use third party repo to get fuse & ntfs-3g ?
[09:58] <dooglus> Second, can i get the full output of your installation.
[09:58] <jontec> ubuntu :D I was not using his repo, one of the ones listed on his page, though, so it should be the same files (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/)
[09:58] <jontec> and one sec on that paste
[09:59] <dooglus> use a pastebin
[09:59] <dooglus> !paste
[09:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:03] <jontec> http://pastie.caboo.se/53012 (I like the ruby paste bin :D)
[10:03] <dooglus> which version of ubuntu is it?
[10:03] <jontec> 6.06 (live cd)
[10:04] <jontec> which, of course may be a source of error... O_o though that guy in the previous post was having the same problem...
[10:04] <jontec> I should give you the address of the repo, probably... one sec...
[10:05] <jontec> deb http://ntfs-3g.sitesweetsite.info/ubuntu/ dapper main main-all
[10:08] <dooglus> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse/+bug/51456 >
[10:08] <ubotu> Malone bug 51456 in fuse "fuse-utils missing versioned dependency on makedev" [High,Fix released]
[10:08] <dooglus> "... sadly that has to wait for a new makedev, sorry for that"
[10:13] <jontec> dooglus: what's a makedev ? :D and how long are we talking?
[10:13] <dooglus> jontec: I've no idea, sorry.
[10:13] <jontec> okay, well thanks for you help! :D
[10:13] <jontec> your*
[10:14] <dooglus> jontec: did you try using a more recent live CD?
[10:14] <dooglus> jontec: I can't say whether that would work or not, but ntfs-3g wasn't around (I don't think) when 6.06 was released
[10:15] <jontec> dooglus: I see a thread here that suggests an update to fix the problem... but I have dial-up and cannot download a CD T_T.... I have edgy on this laptop (running windows right now, though) but only from downloading at school
[10:15] <jontec> I have an .iso of knoppix, so I'll see what I can possibly do with that
[10:15] <jontec> it's rather new...
[10:15] <dooglus> that's probably worth a try
[10:16] <jontec> actually... I have a ubuntu multimedia edition iso (6.06, too) but I'm not sure how new the items are on there...
[10:16] <jontec> probably as stale as before...
[10:16] <jontec> thanks again
[10:17] <dooglus> I think all the various 6.06 ubuntu releases use the same repositories - so the same versions
[10:17] <dooglus> I have a question:  is there any way to get my ext2 casper-rw memory stick mounted with the 'noatime' option, to prolong its life a little?
[10:18] <dooglus> (using the xubuntu 6.06 live cd)
[10:19] <odat> anyone familiar with compiling a single module
[10:33] <odat> anyone able to make a patch for a module
[11:31] <albert_> !beryl
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[12:53] <Arkh_> !ubotu
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[01:01] <Grey_Loki> !paste
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[01:02] <Arkh_> !kernel
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[01:04] <Grey_Loki> !mirc
[01:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mirc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <Arkh_> !irc
[01:04] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/), irssi (console) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[01:04] <Arkh_> mirc is for WINDOWS :p
[01:05] <Grey_Loki> I was wondering if there's a linux port.
[01:05] <Grey_Loki> Someone was asking about running it in wine.
[01:06] <Arkh_> lol why on the earth?
[01:06] <Arkh_> ex chat :ftw P
[01:06] <Grey_Loki> I don't know.
[01:26] <Grey_Loki> !xgl
[01:26] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:33] <kumamoto> I wonder what happened to xchat
[01:40] <TheDarkKiller> Hey. Im having some problems with my keymap on Xubuntu.
[01:41] <TheDarkKiller> I screwed the xorg.conf, made it remake one, and now I dont have the Danish keymap. How do I set the keymap to danish.
[01:42] <TheDarkKiller> Cant type proberly right now.
[01:44] <Grey_Loki> If you search in it for occurences of 'en', one of them will mention your keyboard around it - you just need to change that to whatever the two letter keyboard code is
[01:44] <Grey_Loki> I'd guess dk
[01:44] <Arkh_> TheDarkKiller, setxkbmap -layout dk
[01:45] <TheDarkKiller> Hnmm
[01:46] <TheDarkKiller> Cant find anything saying \en\
[01:49] <TheDarkKiller> Nope, nothing
[01:51] <morpheus74> Hello.  I installed Xubuntu 7.04 (beta) on my pc, and when I switched to another terminal (ctrl+alt+F1), the font was extremely huge.  I also experienced system lock up when tying to log in via another terminal.  After entering my password, the system just froze and non of the keys would work.  Any ideas?
[01:56] <TheDarkKiller> So, how I set the DK keymap as default?
[02:13] <TheDarkKiller> Again, how do I change my default keymap to Danish.
[02:14] <Arkh_> setxkbmap -layout dk
[02:14] <Arkh_> Again.
[02:15] <Arkh_> or
[02:15] <Arkh_> Section "InputDevice"
[02:15] <Arkh_>         Identifier      "Generic Keyboard"
[02:15] <Arkh_>         Driver          "kbd"
[02:15] <Arkh_>         Option          "CoreKeyboard"
[02:15] <Arkh_>         Option          "XkbRules"      "xorg"
[02:15] <Arkh_>         Option          "XkbModel"      "pc105"
[02:15] <Arkh_>         Option          "XkbLayout"     "it"
[02:15] <Arkh_>         Option          "XkbVariant"    "nodeadkeys"
[02:15] <Arkh_>         Option          "XkbOptions"    "lv3:ralt_switch"
[02:15] <Arkh_> EndSection
[02:15] <Arkh_> edit the Xkblayout in your xorg.conf
[02:15] <TheDarkKiller> Aaah
[02:16] <TheDarkKiller> Thanks alot. I love this community
[02:19] <TheDarkKiller> I just didnt have that in my config file because I got X to make one for me, because I screwed it up while installing the NVIDIA drivers.
[02:43] <jgamio> Hi somebody know if going to be a 11042007 Xubuntu CD Live
[02:44] <Pumpernickel> Of course.
[02:51] <andy_> hello there, how can I change the language of the xubuntu desktop?
[02:55] <jgamio> andy: do you have language soport
[02:55] <andy_> jgamio, where can I check that?
[02:56] <Pumpernickel> andy_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=400169
[02:56] <jgamio> andy: aplications->system->language sopport
[02:56] <andy_> ah yep, I have that
[02:57] <jgamio> andy: setup you language and select the default
[02:57] <andy_> and then restart X?
[02:58] <jgamio> andy: i dont know but if you close your session you are goint to have the option to select diferents laguangues
[02:59] <andy_> ok, gonna try that
[03:01] <gary__> i installed xubuntu 6.10 then 7.04. both read data cd's fine. however, when it comes to audio cd's, the cd will not mount. how do i fix this problem ?
[03:05] <gary__> other than this slight natch xfce seems to me quite capable
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> You don't mount audio cds - media programs access them directly.
[03:05] <gary__> true
[03:05] <gary__> i have vlc mplayer and gxine
[03:05] <gary__> none read
[03:07] <Pumpernickel> Works for me.  Are you getting any error messages?
[03:08] <gary__> Unable to mount "Audio CD":
[03:08] <gary__> Unknown error
[03:08] <TheSheep_> you can't mount audio cds
[03:09] <gary__> i could in ubuntu
[03:10] <gary__> well, i mean i could 'access' them if you'd like ;)
[03:12] <TheSheep_> gary__: you need some music player that will tell the cd dribe to play
[03:12] <gary__> i have mplayer
[03:13] <TheSheep_> not sur mplayer can play audio cds
[03:13] <TheSheep_> *sure
[03:15] <gary__> ahh vlc can :)
[03:15] <gary__> groovy :)
[03:16] <gary__> thank you pointing out the obvious to me
[03:16] <gary__> its helpful :)
[03:55] <andy_> hello, does anyone know a program launcher like katapult for KDE, but for xfce?
[03:55] <Arkh_> not identical
[03:55] <Arkh_> but similar
[03:56] <Arkh_> xfce4-verve-plugin - Command line plugin for the Xfce panel
[04:01] <andy_> ok, I gonna try that.
[04:02] <andy_> do I have to configure it somehow? When I enter a command, it always tells me that it cannot find the command
[04:02] <Arkh_> command like?
[04:03] <andy_> ah oops, nah, it does find it but no auto completion
[04:03] <Arkh_> tab?
[04:03] <andy_> oops again :D
[04:03] <Arkh_> I know
[04:03] <Arkh_> not as cool as Katapult
[04:03] <Arkh_> but useful :p
[04:05] <andy_> alt-space is kinda tricky to configure I think :)
[04:05] <andy_> the problem is, it is generally used in xfce, can't I get rid of that other shortcut?
[04:06] <Arkh_> I don't know that :)
[04:06] <andy_> okay :)
[04:18] <andy_> oh well, now I just use ctrl-backspace, I just hope there is no other application that uses that shortcut ;)
[04:51] <`Enlil> hi
[04:51] <`Enlil> Hum, I've a problem
[04:51] <`Enlil> (using Xubuntu edgy)
[04:51] <Grey_Loki> !ask | `Enlil
[04:51] <`Enlil> The icons on my desktop are gone
[04:51] <`Enlil> as well as the background image
[04:51] <ubotu> `Enlil: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:52] <`Enlil> and I can't right-click anymore on the desktop
[04:52] <Grey_Loki> Oer. i think i'm a bit lagged, heh
[04:52] <Grey_Loki> You need to go to Applications>Settings>Desktop Settings
[04:52] <Grey_Loki> And check the box that says 'Allow XFCE to manage my desktop'
[04:53] <`Enlil> Oh, wondeful, everything is back with a simple checkbox
[04:53] <`Enlil> thanks Grey_Loki :p
[04:53] <Grey_Loki> ;)
[04:54] <`Enlil> Well, I'm off. Thanks again ^^. Bye.
[04:54] <Grey_Loki> Tahtah
[04:56] <Grey_Loki> !figlet
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[05:01] <jodas> Hey.
[05:01] <jodas> Do you need to antivirus software for linux?
[05:02] <jodas> Hey Maxamillion.
[05:02] <maxamillion> hello
[05:02] <jodas> Thanks again for yesterday and helping me out.
[05:02] <jodas> I have another question.
[05:02] <jodas> Do you need anti-virus for Linux?
[05:02] <maxamillion> jodas: not a problem
[05:03] <maxamillion> jodas: no, there really isn't a point ... nobody writes viruses for linux and if they do, a patch is pushed within hours to protect against it
[05:03] <jodas> Ok.
[05:03] <jodas> Thanks.
[05:03] <jodas> How long have you used Linux?
[05:03] <maxamillion> jodas: i can only ever remember of one anti-virus application ever written for linux and i think the company who wrote it went out of business because it never sold
[05:04] <jodas> Yeah.
[05:04] <maxamillion> jodas: i've been running linux as my only operating system for a little over 7 years now
[05:04] <jodas> What type do you have?
[05:04] <jodas> I have edubuntu and I'm somewhat addicted, in a manner of speaking.
[05:04] <Grey_Loki> AVG has a linux version of its antivirus suite.
[05:04] <maxamillion> jodas: i run Xubuntu on my machine at work, debian on my home desktop and my production server, and ubuntu on my work laptop
[05:04] <maxamillion> jodas: good :)
[05:05] <TheSheep> there is antivirus software for scanning mail that goes to windows boxes, though
[05:05] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: didn't know that ... that makes 2 now
[05:05] <maxamillion> TheSheep: yeah, i've seen that offered from Barracuda (sp?)
[05:05] <jodas> Is there a manual for free out there on how to use ubuntu to the fullest?
[05:06] <maxamillion> jodas: ubuntuguide.org is good, wiki.ubuntu.com is also good, and for anything not in one of those two just search ubuntuforums.org
[05:06] <jodas> Ok.
[05:07] <jodas> I was just wondering...
[05:07] <jodas> What makes Linux better than Windows?
[05:07] <jodas> I like it alot.
[05:07] <maxamillion> jodas: its not so much "better" but "different"
[05:07] <Arkh_> it is free as free speech?
[05:07] <jodas> I was just wondering.
[05:07] <Arkh_> and you don't have to reboot whnr you install a new program :)
[05:07] <maxamillion> jodas: http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/
[05:07] <jodas> Ok.
[05:07] <jodas> :lol
[05:07] <Arkh_> but...
[05:08] <Arkh_> it is pretty much harder to configure :p
[05:08] <jodas> Yeah.
[05:08] <maxamillion> Arkh_: that's depends on your hardware
[05:08] <Grey_Loki> I think that's because it gives a lot more options in just what you can configure
[05:08] <Arkh_> well
[05:08] <Arkh_> even if your hardware is very compatible
[05:09] <Arkh_> you have to read through some manuals and howtos to make everything work :)
[05:09] <Rich_li_ny> Arkh:  But once you figure it out you'll see overall it's a lot easier and more robust operating system.
[05:09] <Arkh_> indeed
[05:09] <Grey_Loki> Although it does seem to have more than its fair share of eliteist gits, in some areas :(
[05:11] <Rich_li_ny> Arkh:  I do agree it's a little harder at first especially if you don't have a book and run into a problem setting up a piece of hardware.  I literally went crazy with it at first but thank god I had another machine that was running and was able to read a lot online and get help here.
[05:12] <Rich_li_ny> and the help here is better then any MS support Ive ever experienced. :)
[05:12] <Arkh_> well MS works at first
[05:12] <Arkh_> it is just after a month that it works bad :p
[05:13] <Rich_li_ny> :))
[05:13] <Grey_Loki> I need to stop fiddling with my laptop - it was working really well, then I fiddled a bit, and now I think i've borked wine.
[05:15] <maxamillion> Arkh_: i actually have a machine here in the office that MS needs extra drivers from floppy in order to install but the machine doesn't have a floppy drive .... linux just runs :)
[05:16] <MattJ> I think in many cases the idea that Linux needs more configuration is just wrong, especially nowadays, and we have Ubuntu
[05:16] <MattJ> *X*ubuntu, even more so :)
[05:16] <MattJ> For me it is pretty much install & play
[05:17] <maxamillion> MattJ: yup ;)
[05:17] <Arkh_> well I do use gentoo aswell :p
[05:17] <MattJ> Ah well :)
[05:18] <MattJ> Hey rici :)
[05:18] <maxamillion> now, distros like debian, gentoo, suse, slackware, etc. all require a little more effort but *ubuntu is trying to offer an alternative to newer users who are either scared of such things or don't want to bother
[05:18] <rici> hey mattj
[05:18] <rici> stupid gaim
[05:18] <MattJ> Agreed
[05:18] <maxamillion> rici: what'd it do this time?
[05:18] <MattJ> s/gaim/pidgin/
[05:18] <rici> just froze
[05:18] <rici> right, pidgin, i forgot.
[05:18] <MattJ> :D
[05:18] <maxamillion> :P
[05:19] <MattJ> It's gaim, until feisty+1
[05:19] <MattJ> I thought it was posted April 1st when I read the news on the gaim website
[05:20] <maxamillion> MattJ: yeah... i think it was
[05:23] <punsad> is there a way to 'map' network shares in thunar?
[05:24] <Arkh_> yes
[05:24] <punsad> I just want to be able to quickly get to a network share (e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>\homes)
[05:24] <maxamillion> punsad: define "network share"
[05:24] <Arkh_> I think it is samba?
[05:24] <punsad> a share on a debian server
[05:24] <punsad> yes samba
[05:25] <maxamillion> w00t!!!! its a true samba share .... your life will be so much easier than if it was on a windows box
[05:25] <Arkh_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&highlight=samba+thunar
[05:25] <punsad> e.g. I'd like it to show up along the left hand side
[05:25] <Arkh_> have fun punsad
[05:25] <Arkh_> :p
[05:25] <jodas> Hey how do you get applications like Trash on your desktop?
[05:25] <Grey_Loki> I never really bothered with working out a proper filesharing system
[05:26] <Grey_Loki> i just ended up using WinSCP3 on XP, and SSHing or whatever into my linux boxen to get any files I needed.
[05:27] <punsad> Grey_Loki: samba + swap is good for mixed enviroments (linux + windows)
[05:27] <punsad> s/swap/swat
[05:27] <punsad> swat makes samba easy to set up
[05:27] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[05:27] <punsad> I'm new to Xubuntu.  actually looks promising
[05:27] <Grey_Loki> Someone mentioned swat to me right at the end of me spending an entire day trying to get samba and windows to agree with each other
[05:28] <Grey_Loki> I just gave up and used a sneakernet.
[05:31] <punsad> I'm installing automatix apps right now...  all just to play an mp3 :P
[05:32] <punsad> anyone know the big difference between Xubuntu regular and Xubuntu 'alternate' ... I installed the 'alternate' version
[05:32] <punsad> I'm working with an 8 yr old laptop
[05:33] <gpocentek> punsad: the 'regular' version is a live cd
[05:33] <punsad> gpocentek: is that all?
[05:33] <gpocentek> once the system is installed on your harddisk, no difference
[05:33] <grazie> punsad: the alternate cd can install on a machine with low ram
[05:34] <punsad> I noticed that the 'editors' selection in the packages is rather scant.  what happened to all the other editors available in debian?
[05:34] <punsad> anyone know?
[05:35] <gpocentek> punsad: do you have the universe repos enabled?
[05:35] <punsad> where is that enabled?
[05:35] <gpocentek> !universe
[05:35] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[05:36] <gpocentek> see the Repositories page
[05:36] <punsad> I think I'll stick to 'apt-get install foo'
[05:36] <Cinnander> moo*
[05:37] <punsad> thanks yall... later
[05:41] <ben123is> hello
[05:41] <Cinnander> What is "Sticking" a window?
[05:41] <ben123is> i didn't find in the net: what's the minimum cpu speed needed to run xubuntu?
[05:44] <maxamillion> Cinnander: sticking a window makes it appear on all virtual desktop workspaces
[05:48] <Cinnander> ah - thanks
[05:49] <maxamillion> Cinnander: no problem
[06:15] <ben123is> how do i check my xubuntu version?
[06:15] <ephemeros> hmmm...
[06:16] <grazie> !version | ben123is
[06:16] <ubotu> ben123is: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[06:16] <grazie> ben123is: or cat /etc/issue
[06:16] <ephemeros> one method would be to check in the menu->about xfce and look for the version
[06:17] <ben123is> thanks!
[06:17] <ephemeros> :) better that, grazie :D
[06:17] <Grey_Loki> ephemeros, that would only show the XFCE version though, right?
[06:18] <ephemeros> Grey_Loki: yeah, but i'd look on distrowatch for the versions of xubuntu what xfce versions they use :)
[06:18] <Grey_Loki> Baaah
[06:18] <Grey_Loki> Too much effort there :P
[06:18] <ephemeros> yeah, now i know there is a straight way
[06:19] <ben123is> by the way: fluxbox uses rox to show desktop. does xfce manages the desktop and all the user interface by itself or does it use external components?
[06:20] <Grey_Loki> ben123is, by itself, or components made by the XFCE team, IIRC.
[06:21] <ben123is> does it have an editor like gedit which recognizes c++ syntax?
[06:21] <Arkh> ben123is, try geany
[06:22] <ben123is> ok :)
[06:37] <ben123is> i have a question: suppose you install ubuntu on a powerfull comp. what desk would you prefer and why: xfce, kde, gnome ?
[06:37] <Arkh> kde?
[06:37] <Grey_Loki> Beryl, because it looks niiiiice
[06:38] <gpocentek> Xfce, always Xfce
[06:38] <Grey_Loki> Or E17, because it's faaaast
[06:38] <Grey_Loki> And good looking.
[06:38] <Arkh> beryl is a desk?
[06:38] <Grey_Loki> What would you call it?
[06:38] <Arkh> I don't know
[06:38] <gpocentek> it's a window manager
[06:38] <gpocentek> not a DE
[06:39] <Arkh> right :)
[06:39] <Grey_Loki> Is there like, a big list of all the 'stuff you should know about linux'?
[06:39] <Grey_Loki> Like, what a kernel is, what all the different root folders contain, the difference between a WM and a DE
[06:40] <Arkh> man?
[06:40] <Arkh> XD
[06:40] <Arkh> !kerne
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kerne - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <Arkh> !kernel
[06:40] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:40] <Arkh> !kernel
[06:40] <Arkh> oops
[06:40] <Arkh> :D
[06:40] <Grey_Loki> Tell you what, the second you find a man entry for window manager, i'll eat my digital hat.
[06:41] <Arkh> ahahah
[06:41] <Arkh> man beryl ?
[06:41] <Arkh> NAME
[06:41] <Arkh>        beryl - beryl window manager
[06:41] <Arkh> lol
[06:42] <Grey_Loki> Arkh, does it tell you what the difference between a WM and a DE is in said man entry?
[06:42] <Grey_Loki> :P
[06:42] <Arkh> no but you did ask for a man entry for window manager
[06:42] <Arkh> and that is one so eat that hat now
[06:42] <Arkh> >:)
[06:42] <Grey_Loki> That's a man entry for beryl that says it's a window manager
[06:43] <Grey_Loki> Not a man entry for 'window manager', which is what I said :P
[06:43] <Arkh> for a window manager
[06:43] <Arkh> :P
[06:43] <Grey_Loki> I didn't say that!
[06:43] <Grey_Loki> Shall we take this to -offtopic before someone kicks us? :P
[06:44] <Arkh> mmmnahh
[06:44] <Arkh> not too much people talking anyways :D
[06:44] <Grey_Loki> !offtopic Arkh
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about offtopic arkh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <Grey_Loki> Whups
[06:44] <Grey_Loki> !offtopic | Arkh
[06:44] <ubotu> Arkh: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:44] <Arkh> scary ._.
[06:45] <Grey_Loki> This isn't reall relevant to Xubuntu support, so i'll see you in -offtopic :P
[06:45] <Grey_Loki> +y
[06:45] <Arkh> so I have a problem with xubuntu at the moment
[06:45] <Arkh> I am using gnome at the moment so I am pretty sad XD
[06:46] <Grey_Loki> Gnome isn't that bad
[06:47] <Arkh> I don't know, I have been using kde for a year, then gnome for 4-5 months and xfce for a month
[06:47] <Grey_Loki> Hometime for me - tarah
[06:47] <Arkh> bye Grey_Loki
[07:02] <ben123is> just checked and BERYL isn't a desktop, it's a desktop manipulation prog. to do vista effects etc.
[07:03] <Arkh> we just said that beryl is a window manager :D
[07:04] <ben123is> :)
[07:04] <ben123is> yeh and E17 does look great
[07:04] <Arkh> never tried it
[07:04] <ben123is> just looked at some screenshots.
[07:17] <ndee> hey there, what's the best way to configure the wireless network under xubuntu?
[07:18] <ndee> shall I just use the gnome-network-manager thingie?
[07:49] <jodas> How do you add programs like Trash to your Ubuntu desktop?
[07:51] <Arkh> xubuntu you mean?
[07:51] <jodas> Maxamillion do you know how to do that?
[07:51] <jodas> No Ubuntu.
[07:51] <jodas> Somewhat the same.
[07:51] <Arkh> with gconf
[07:51] <jodas> Ok.
[07:51] <maxamillion> wait ... what?
[07:52] <jodas> How do you add stuff like Trash to your desktop?
[07:52] <maxamillion> ndee: wifi-radar is a popular program for configuration of wifi in xubuntu
[07:52] <Arkh> gconf-editor
[07:52] <jodas> I had to use it.
[07:52] <Arkh> apps->nautilus->desktop
[07:52] <jodas> Works pretty good.
[07:52] <Arkh> trash_icon_visible
[07:52] <Arkh> :p
[07:52] <maxamillion> jodas: eh ... its kinda tricky in edgy if you want it on the desktop
[07:53] <maxamillion> Arkh: nautilus doesn't exist in pure xubuntu
[07:53] <Arkh> [19:51:12]  <Arkh> xubuntu you mean?
[07:53] <maxamillion> Arkh: nautilus = gnome
[07:53] <Arkh> [19:51:20]  <jodas> No Ubuntu.
[07:53] <maxamillion> oh
[07:53] <maxamillion> LOL
[07:53] <Arkh> :D
[07:53] <maxamillion> jodas: yeah, listen to Arkh  .... my brain has left the building
[07:53] <jodas> Ok.
[07:53] <jodas> Where is Nautilus?
[07:54] <Arkh> go in a terminal and type gconf-editor
[07:54] <Arkh> browse apps , nautilus , desktop
[07:54] <Arkh> tick the trash_icon_visible one
[07:56] <jodas> Cool.
[07:56] <jodas> Thanks.
[07:57] <Arkh> :)
[07:57] <jodas> Man this is the most helpful chat on Linux that I have been to.
[07:57] <jodas> Thanks a ton.
[07:58] <Arkh> lol
[08:00] <jodas> Now what about the browser.
[08:00] <jodas> ?*
[08:01] <maxamillion> jodas: ... what about it?
[08:01] <jodas> How do I get that to appear?
[08:01] <maxamillion> jodas: in xubuntu or ubuntu?
[08:01] <jodas> Ubuntu
[08:02] <maxamillion> jodas: this is from memory so i might be wrong but i think it is Applications->Internet->Web Browser
[08:02] <jodas> Oh...
[08:02] <sylverpyro> curious if anyone knows what part of xubuntu is configured to do this:  When dragging folders/some documents from a thunar window to the desktop, the default action is to copy the item instead of move
[08:03] <jodas> Bugger that was sort of a dumb question.
[08:03] <sylverpyro> is this a thunar thing or an xfceDesktop thing?
[08:03] <maxamillion> sylverpyro: that would probably be a preference in Thunar itself
[08:03] <maxamillion> jodas: there might even be "quick icon" for it in the top panel ... a little to the right of the menus
[08:04] <jodas> Thanks again.
[08:04] <sylverpyro> dont suppose you would know where a pref. like that would be hiding would you?  The prefs. menu does not mention default behaviour like that anywhere
[08:04] <hyper_ch> hiho maxamillion
[08:04] <maxamillion> sylverpyro: it might even be both to be honest ... xfce is modular that in cases like this i'm not entirely sure which takes over
[08:04] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: hello
[08:04] <hyper_ch> what's up?
[08:05] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: my brain is mush and i'm working off 3 hours of sleep ... and i have 17 days to write a compiler
[08:05] <jodas> I think that is about it so far.
[08:05] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: for compiling ....?
[08:06] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: a made up programming language my prof made just to teach the class
[08:06] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: cool :)
[08:08] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: cool-ish ... accept i fail if my compiler doesn't work :/
[08:08] <jodas> I believe.
[08:09] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: then make it work
[08:09] <jodas> Oh how do you get the beryl thing to work on a computer?
[08:09] <hyper_ch> jodas: by following the howtos :)
[08:09] <hyper_ch> brb
[08:11] <jodas> Ok because I have an ATI card and I am not sure how to install.
[08:12] <jodas> There are like 4 of them or something like that.
[08:13] <maxamillion> grazie: i didn't pick the language :(
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: haskell is the answer
[08:29] <h3sp4wn> (in what to write the compiler in)
[08:29] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: lol
[08:29] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: i have heard good things, but i don't have time to learn it and write a compiler in it over the course of the next 2 weeks
[08:31] <ben123is> hello
[08:32] <maxamillion> hello
[08:32] <ben123is> is there a way to change the login manager's resolution?
[08:32] <ben123is> my desktop is 1024X768
[08:33] <ben123is> and the login manager is 1280x....
[08:33] <maxamillion> ben123is: i'm not sure ... i've never tried ... lemme check
[08:33] <ben123is> thanks, i'll wait :)
[08:36] <maxamillion> ben123is: apparently you just need to remove 1280x1024 from your xorg.conf
[08:36] <ben123is> coll
[08:36] <ben123is> cool
[08:36] <maxamillion> ben123is: its seems as though gdm defaults to the highest resolution allowed
[08:36] <ben123is> and another thing:
[08:36] <maxamillion> shoot
[08:37] <ben123is> when i change resolution of my desktop i get a junk square at my left top corner. it stays there antill i alt-ctrl-del
[08:37] <ben123is> y?
[08:38] <maxamillion> ben123is: no clue ... never had that happened to me in over 7 years
[08:38] <ben123is> ok
[08:38] <grazie> ben123is: do you know what your video card is?
[08:38] <ben123is> ammm no. it's old. it's P2 motherboard
[08:39] <grazie> ben123is: in a terminal do 'lspci | grep -i vga' and post the output
[08:39] <maxamillion> ah, yeah .. could just be the refresh of the X server since the hardware is older
[08:39] <maxamillion> i gotta run ... bbl
[08:39] <ben123is> ATI Technologies, Inc. 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X
[08:40] <ben123is> take care :)
[08:40] <ben123is> that's what xorg.cong said
[08:41] <Merchelo> cong? as in king cong? :)
[08:41] <grazie> ben123is: I don't recall any problems like you described for that card.
[08:42] <ben123is> ahhh damn slow comp
[08:43] <ben123is> i need new comp
[08:43] <grazie> ben123is: what did you change your resolution from and what is it set to now?
[08:44] <ben123is> it was 1280x1024 and now it's 1024x768
[08:44] <judgen> howdy
[08:44] <ben123is> hi
[08:44] <judgen> im following this tutorial to make beryl work on xubuntu. Is the gnome route the correct one?
[08:45] <judgen> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Feisty_with_XGL
[08:45] <grazie> ben123is: so 1280x1024 is good and 1024x768 has the fault?
[08:45] <ben123is> grazie: no. a change from whatever resolution to whatever resolution has the same defect
[08:47] <grazie> ben123is: sorry I'm not following. Do you have any resolutions without the fault?
[08:47] <ben123is> nope
[08:47] <ben123is> when i make a switch between resolutions i get the fault
[08:49] <grazie> ben123is: still not following. So when do you have no fault?
[08:50] <ben123is> only after i press alt-ctrl-del. when i press that i get a screen saver and when it comes out of it the desktop is fine
[08:51] <grazie> ben123is: that's weird. So once the fault has gone, only changing resolutions brings it back?
[08:51] <ben123is> yup
[08:52] <grazie> ben123is: well at least the fault is not permanent :)
[08:52] <ben123is> but since the login loader changed resolution i got the fault on each system start. now i deleted the extra modes. i hope there will be no resolution anymore on the startup
[08:53] <ben123is> *no resolution change
[08:53] <grazie> ben123is: if ati set set as the driver, you could try using vesa
[08:55] <ben123is> ok i'll see
[08:55] <ben123is> thanks
[08:56] <grazie> ben123is: vesa is slow, but at least it will show that the fault is in the ati driver
[08:57] <ben123is> ok
[08:58] <ben123is> grazie: are you tired of me already?
[08:58] <grazie> ben123is: sorry?
[08:58] <judgen> dang
[08:59] <sioux> grazie: humm with gnome-desktop there is the option 1204x768... it seem a xfce gui problem?
[09:00] <grazie> sioux: i have used1024x768 without any problems
[09:00] <ben123is> grazie: cause i got another question to you (if you are no tired)
[09:01] <grazie> ben123is: yeah sure...doesn't mean I'll know the answer though
[09:01] <ben123is> ok
[09:01] <sioux> grazie: here I had set vesa
[09:03] <ben123is> grazie: oh i solved it. no questions for now :)
[09:03] <ben123is> thanks
[09:03] <grazie> sioux: are you saying that you have a problem wusing vesa at 1024x768 with xfce?
[09:03] <grazie> ben123is: np
[09:04] <sioux> grazie: no I am saying that I had problems using ati... vesa was the solution
[09:05] <grazie> sioux: ok I see. I wouldn't have thought xfce was part of the problem though
[09:06] <frankabel> I will impart a curse of xubuntu soon, and want know if some of your know if the Release Candidate version will be available by the next monday
[09:06] <frankabel> Feisty release candidate
[09:09] <sioux> grazie: if xfce is part of the problem I don't know... I am not a developer. What I saw xfce do not give me option to set 1024x768 as gnome does
[09:09] <grazie> frankabel: as far as I know the release candidate is due for release tomorrow (Thursday). But that's only if an acceptable level of testing has been done.
[09:11] <frankabel> grazie: thanks, then I will wait my teaching until the next week to use Feisty
[09:12] <grazie> sioux: I'm not an Xubuntu developer either. Just so that I completely understand, are you saying that you see the problem with gnome only or xfce only?
[09:13] <sioux> grazie: xfce only
[09:13] <grazie> sioux: ok I understand now. thanks
[09:23] <Slor> hey folks
[09:23] <Slor> got a couple quick questions if anyone is here.
[09:24] <grazie> !ask | Slor
[09:24] <ubotu> Slor: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:25] <Slor> first one - what is the appropriate fstab syntax for floppy mounts?  it was not done automatically at install, and the way my redhat-ish machines are set up does not seem to translate to ubuntu very well.
[09:28] <grazie> Slor: what you have in redhat should be ok. Something like '/dev/fd0 /mnt/fd0   vfat   user,noauto   0      0' in /etc/fstab
[09:29] <Slor> ok thanks.  one machine has some supermount syntax that is not recognized, and the other has "auto" for the file system type.
[09:30] <Slor> Other question - anyone here very familiar with ide-tape?
[09:30] <Slor> I'm trying to get an old travan drive to work.
[09:31] <Slor> also, back on the first question, is it more proper to mount the floppies under /media or /mnt?
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> Slor: /media (according to the lsb)
[09:32] <Slor> k - thanks
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> Slor: doesn't really matter though you could mount it in /proc if you wanted to
[09:32] <Slor> right.
[09:33] <grazie> Slor: ubuntu (and maybe debian too) tend to use /media for most mounts. I prefer /mnt for none removeable stuff as it makes more sense to me
[09:34] <Slor> this may be a more general question than an ubuntu one, but it's related to my ide-tape issue...  Is there any reason I would not be able to recognize a 3rd (PCI card) generic IDE controller under linux?  Perhaps I'll have to move my tape to the primary or secondary to get it to work...
[09:35] <Slor> That question aside, I am seeing lots of conflicting info on how to configure the tape device.
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> Slor: is it in - ''lspci -nn''
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> Slor: it is pci right ?
[09:36] <Slor> you know, that's a very good question.  It's been so long since I've looked close at it, it could even be ISA-based.
[09:36] <Slor> Gimme a minute and I'll open it up.
[09:39] <Slor> ok h3sp4wn - It's actually an ISA card (made by Conner, as is the drive), and it has a single floppy IDE-size connector on it.
[09:40] <Slor> Perhaps I need to revert to ftape for this?
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> you might have to change the irq / base address if its conflicting with any other ide controller you are using
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> is it a floppy or ide ?
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> (ide is 80 pins)
[09:43] <Slor> the cable is floppy width
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> count the pins
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> or if you are sure its a floppy then why not just connect it to the motherboard ? or is it scsi ?
[09:45] <Slor> I have 2 floppy drives already
[09:45] <Slor> I use this machine quite a bit for accessing old data. :)
[09:45] <Slor> I'm checking to get exact info on the controller card/pins
[09:47] <Slor> Ok, the card even says "Conner 2MB floppy controller", so it's indeed a secondary floppy controller.
[09:48] <Slor> Of course, it has a number of jumpers that can be played with.  I know it coexisted fine back in the day, but that would have been under DOS and probably in a different machine.
[09:49] <Slor> My even older drive used to have a piggyback cable to hook into the onboard IDE (it, but
[09:49] <Slor> not this one
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> Is the rest of the machine new ?
[09:49] <Slor> it's coming back to me now... :)
[09:49] <Slor> The machine is old too, but not as old as the drive.  I _think_ I actually made use of it in this machine back in the day, but I can't swear to it 100%
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> You need to identify the controller properly - fcc might help https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm (I use that for identifying junk I have)
[09:51] <Slor> It seems ftape kinda disappeared when ide-tape came along.  Is the latter supposed to be a replacement, or are they completely different beasts?
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> If its connected to a floppy controller it won't use ide-tape
[09:53] <Slor> I saw in my ubuntu installation that the 2.6.15-28 kernel no longer has the ftape module available.  It's there in -26
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> You are using dapper with this right ? how fast is the box itself ?
[09:56] <Slor> using 6.06.1.  box is a dual P2-400.
[09:58] <Slor> heh - I can't even find an fcc id on this card.  looks to be a fairly simple controller card with jumpers for irq, dma, and io settings
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> You probably will have to specify them at boot
[10:01] <Slor> If you can tell me what to add to grub, I'll give it a try.  And will I then need to use ftape as the device driver?
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> It could be a card that has a floppy sized port but is different
[10:04] <Slor> the card has "2MB Floppy Controller" printed on it.
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> non standard size
[10:05] <Slor> IO address choices are 3F0, 3E0, 370, and 360
[10:05] <Slor> Are those typical floppy addresses?
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> Don't remember
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> work out what is being used first
[10:11] <Slor> wow - would you believe I found the manual for the tape drive?
[10:11] <Slor> I don't throw ANYTHING away aparently...
[10:15] <Slor> h3sp4wn - according to the manual, this can be used on any floppy controller.  It goes on to say that if your controller does not support 2Mbps transfer rate that you might want to obtain a high-speed controller from conner.
[10:15] <Slor> So that explains the separate card.
[10:16] <Slor> If it would help, I can temporarily disconnect my second floppy and put this on the primary floppy chain.
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> Might be useful at least to try that see what you get in dmesg
[10:19] <Slor> I should see something there even without ftape or another driver loaded?
[10:19] <Slor> I assum ftape is what I'll need...
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> Has it been replaced by something else though
[10:20] <Slor> dunno - all I found was references to ide-tape and ide-scsi
[10:20] <Slor> and plenty of ftape references.
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux26Changes - scan that and see if anything is mentioned
[10:21] <Slor> as I noted earlier, the ftape module is present for the 2.6.15-26 kernel installation but not -28.
[10:21] <Slor> I'll take a look
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> seems strange it would be removed (some server could be using it and its supposed to be LTS)
[10:35] <Slor> you know what - it's there for the 386 kernel but not the 686 kernel.
[10:43] <Grey_Loki> Woah
[10:43] <Grey_Loki> ubuntu studio
[10:43] <Grey_Loki> There an IRC channel for that yet?
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> there was
[10:44] <Grey_Loki> #ubuntustudio
[10:44] <h3sp4wn> probably still exists
[10:44] <Grey_Loki> ^.^
[10:44] <h3sp4wn> still a pain because even the lowlatency kernel doesn't have the patches that you need to avoid xruns
[10:45] <Grey_Loki> xruns?
[10:45] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: there's no possible way we can merge Ingo's patches in their current state
[10:46] <crimsun> they're way too invasive, not to mention they significantly alter stability
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: Is the lowlatency kernel not a seperate branch then ? (presuming its for audio / video stuff maybe wrongly)
[10:54] <emdash> i htink it's just compilation options
[10:55] <emdash> in .config
[10:56] <emdash> it has to do with how the scheduling priorities are handld more than anything else, so that userspace doesn't keep the kernel from handling sound and other stuff
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> I am starting to think really if I want to that stuff I am better off with 64studio etc instead of a general purpose distro
[10:56] <emdash> probably, actually
[10:56] <emdash> unless you want to learn to do everything the hard way
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> I know how to do it the hard way
[10:57] <emdash> it's still better, imho
[10:57] <emdash> i used to used debian...and then i realized that i hated compiling kernels
[10:57] <Grey_Loki> h3sp4wn, have you seen PlanetCCRMA?
[10:57] <emdash> which i would invariably have to do to get all my thinkpad hardware to work
[10:57] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: it differs from generic in two config options. That's it. There are no extra patches applied.
[10:58] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: and yes, 64studio is a fine audio distro.
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: config hz 1000 and preempt low latency desktop
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> ?
[10:58] <crimsun> yes.
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> thanks
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> Grey_Loki: Never seen it - I have had everything working properly with debian unstable once - but it changes so fast that it ends up not working right next time I want to use to use it - so hence I will use something seperate to what I mess around with
[11:03] <judgen> how do i change the system colours in xfce?
[11:16] <Chil1> Hello.
[11:16] <Chil1> Whenever I'm browsing the web in firefox sometimes the pages with white backgrounds will render the text in white making it impossible to see without highlighting it..anyone know a good way to fix it?
[11:22] <Cinnander> sounds like bad coding on behalf of the website tbh
[11:24] <Chil1> No, it works in XP.
[11:25] <emdash> check firefox's bugzilla
[11:25] <emdash> it's probably not an issue with xubuntu
[11:26] <emdash> an easy solution would be to hihglight all the text on the page, sometimes i do that with bad pages
[11:26] <emdash> just don't inadvertantly paste it somewhere (like IRC)
[11:32] <Cinnander> yeah, especially when some amature web designer decides yellow on bright green is the best colourscheme
[11:32] <Cinnander> :p
[11:41] <highvoltage> hey maxamillion
[11:42] <maxamillion> highvoltage: hey! ... long time no speak
[11:42] <highvoltage> yep :)
[11:42] <highvoltage> maxamillion: are you going to attend UDS?
[11:42] <maxamillion> UDS?
[11:43] <highvoltage> ubuntu developer summit
[11:43] <maxamillion> highvoltage: when is it?
[11:47] <highvoltage> maxamillion: next month, in spain
[11:47] <Grey_Loki> !motu
[11:47] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:48] <Grey_Loki> Anyone know of any plants for MOTU audio interface drivers for linux?
[11:48] <Grey_Loki> MOTU=Mark of the Unicorn.
[11:48] <maxamillion> highvoltage: ah ... yeah, not going to be able to go ... i have no money and i probably couldn't get off work
[11:49] <maxamillion> highvoltage: i would love to though
[11:57] <Grey_Loki> Yeah, and plants was supposed to be 'plans'
[11:59] <highvoltage> ah ok
[11:59] <highvoltage> hopefully the next one :)
[12:20] <morpheus74> Who's running Xubuntu fiesty beta?
[12:21] <posingaspopular> morpheus74: i am
[12:21] <posingaspopular> not on the box im typing, but i have it up
[12:22] <morpheus74> posingaspopular, Have you had any issues when switching tty?
[12:23] <morpheus74> posingaspopular, I installed Xubuntu 7.04 (beta) on my computer, and when I switch to another terminal (ctrl+alt+F1) the font gets extremely huge. I also experienced system lock up when tying to log-in via another terminal. After entering my password, the system just froze and non of the keys would work. Any ideas?
[12:24] <posingaspopular> morpheus74: give me a min to boot and attempt to replicate
[12:25] <posingaspopular> i def. need to fine my wireless mouse though
[12:25] <posingaspopular> its plugged in
[12:26] <posingaspopular> no idea where the fan is


[06:52] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:05] <paddatrapper> Morning in
[07:05] <paddatrapper> inetpro:
[07:05] <inetpro> paddatrapper: hi
[07:05] <inetpro> how's Cape Town doing today?
[07:05] <paddatrapper> Enter and tab shouldn't be so close together on this phone...
[07:06] <inetpro> haha...
[07:06] <paddatrapper> It's wet! Though it's just drizzling, so not the rain we need. How are you doing?
[07:06] <inetpro> always good thanks
[07:07] <inetpro> at least we know that it's not your rainy season just yet
[07:07] <inetpro> but I hope you get some relief soon
[07:07] <paddatrapper> Yeah true. I hope so too
[07:07] <inetpro> also still need lots more rain here in the north
[07:08] <paddatrapper> How much have you had this summer? There seemed to be very little over the few days in December and Jan that I was there
[07:10] <inetpro> I haven't measured properly to be honest but I can tell you that we have not had the normal rainfall for the season yet
[07:11] <paddatrapper> Eish. Well there is still time, so hopefully you get all you need
[07:12] <inetpro> and the lawn is struggling to get going, at least we're saving on lawnmower costs
[07:29] <paddatrapper> inetpro: true! We just rake the dust now lol
[12:09] <chesedo> lol
[12:09] <chesedo> afternoon all
[12:10] <chesedo> including paddatrapper and inetpro
[12:10] <paddatrapper> hi chesedo
[12:11] <chesedo> how is your semester coming along paddatrapper
[12:11] <chesedo> *?
[12:12] <paddatrapper> chesedo: it's just before test week now, so it's crunch time. Lots of assignments due and very little time to do them
[12:12] <paddatrapper> but that is the nature of UCT at the moment
[12:12] <paddatrapper> how's yours going?
[12:15] <chesedo> about half way done... just past assignment overload... until apr at least...
[12:15] <chesedo> paddatrapper: do you two or four semester a year?
[12:15] <chesedo> s/semester/semesters/
[12:16] <paddatrapper> chesedo: 2 semesters, but each is broken up into two, so half way through are the first tests
[12:18] <chesedo> ouch, at least i only have one per semester... all though i might be happier if we had two small ones in the same way, but might be a massive paper handling nightmare for unisa
[12:41] <paddatrapper> I'm sure it would be...
[16:31] <superfly> hi paddatrapper, chesedo, inetpro
[16:32] <paddatrapper> Hi superfly. How's the house redecoration going?
[16:32] <superfly> not so much redecoration as much as fixing things and finding where to put stuff
[16:33] <superfly> (or building things to help with fixing stuff or finding where to put stuff)
[16:33] <superfly> paddatrapper: if you're ever flying around the USA, you *must* come and visit.
[16:34] <paddatrapper> superfly: thanks. I certainly shall
[16:35] <paddatrapper> Yeah there's always a lot of fixing and moving stuff around when you move into a new place
[16:35] <superfly> I need to get my veggie garden up and running, it's planting season already
[16:36] <superfly> and I need to go and buy stuff to build my chicken coop/run
[16:38] <paddatrapper> How many chickens are you thinking of getting?
[16:38] <chesedo> hi superfly, sounds like fun... or is is past that point yet
[16:38] <superfly> paddatrapper: just 8 at this stage. We'll probably end up with more later on.
[16:39] <superfly> chesedo: still fun :-)
[16:39] <superfly> things take on a different meaning when you own your house
[16:39] <paddatrapper> superfly: nice. Good supply of eggs there
[16:40] <chesedo> how often do they lay eggs?
[16:40] <superfly> This is where we live: https://goo.gl/maps/JNRrjtdRR2P2
[16:41] <superfly> chesedo: the particular type of chicken I'm getting lays about 300 eggs per year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australorp
[16:42] <chesedo> wow, eggs for breakfast almost every day...
[16:44] <inetpro> with 8 hens you should have eggs every day
[16:58] <superfly> That's the plan!
[17:09] <chesedo> So pigs shedding bacon is next? :P
[17:10] <superfly> chesedo: I don't know. Lots of people round here actually have goats, so we *might* try that.
[17:11] <chesedo> for the milk or meat?
[17:11] <superfly> But we also just picked up 2 puppies, so I wanna get through the puppies and the chickens before I think of anything else.
[17:11] <superfly> Mostly the milk.
[17:11]  * chesedo always wanted to try goat's milk
[17:12] <superfly> chesedo: you should be able to get some in Checkers or Pick n Pay. I remember seeing it occasionally.
[17:12] <superfly> You'd need to go to a hypermarket or something probably.
[17:12] <superfly> Otherwise look to see if there's a local farmer's market.
[17:12] <chesedo> have looked before... may not have been hard enough...
[17:13] <superfly> chesedo: I probably saw cheese more often than I saw milk.
[17:14] <chesedo> that is of course something else to try with the goat's milk too in the future... well the heat  might be a kicker
[17:15] <superfly> paddatrapper: have you ever been to Fairview?
[17:15] <superfly> chesedo: there's a goat farm outside Cape Town that I've been to, and I think I had some milk there. I know goat's milk tastes very different to cow's milk.
[17:16] <superfly> https://www.fairview.co.za/
[17:24] <paddatrapper> superfly: no I haven't (at least I don't remember visiting)
[17:48] <nlsthzn> o/
[17:53] <superfly> hey nlsthzn
[18:03] <nlsthzn> hey superfly, how are you?
[18:05] <superfly> nlsthzn: I'm doing well thanks! How are you?
[18:42] <nlsthzn> Can't complain thanks :)
[19:00] <pavlushka> Ahot Za!
[19:00] <pavlushka> Ahoy
[19:38] <nlsthzn> awho?
[19:51] <pavlushka> ?
[20:33] <pavlushka> good night nlsthzn
[20:34]  * pavlushka thinks it is a dictionary supported channel, here ni+tab autocompletes to night, good to say good night even being sleepy :p
[20:39] <nlsthzn> >.>


[03:13] <mxpxpod> BenC: ping
[03:37] <BenC> mxpxpod: pong
[03:37] <mxpxpod> BenC: are you running ppc?
[03:39] <mxpxpod> BenC: because with the latest kernel (2.6.15-13), I get no sound card on my ibook g4
[04:45] <BenC> mxpxpod: ls -l /proc/asound/
[04:45] <BenC> and yes, I am using a pb G4
[04:46] <BenC> redid a lot of the ppc sound stuff trying to make things work better, but it's untested on anything but toonie
[04:48] <mxpxpod> BenC: I'm not currently in that kernel because I couldn't log into Gnome because of the sound issue
[04:49] <mxpxpod> BenC: but /etc/init.d/alsa-utils fails to start because it can't find the sound card
[04:51] <BenC> no sound prevented gnome from working?
[04:53] <mxpxpod> that's what I'm figuring... I could be wrong
[04:53] <mxpxpod> but when gnome tries to log in, gconf and gnome-keyring manager load, and that's it
[04:58] <mxpxpod> BenC: also, when my ibook sleeps with the new kernel, it panics
[05:00] <mxpxpod> BenC: I've gotta get going
[05:01] <mxpxpod> BenC: but hopefully I can get a bug report up on malone tomorrow or monday
[03:08] <gok> hi !
[03:09] <gok> somebody speaks french ?
[03:11] <gok> I have 2.6.12-10-686 linux kernel (ubuntu 5.10) and I do not arrive has to see disc ide on my controllor RAID via VT6410
[03:12] <gok> but i see raid controller
[03:12] <gok> gok@torax:~$ lspci |grep -i raid
[03:12] <gok> 0000:02:04.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6410 ATA133 RAID controller (rev 06)
[03:13] <gok> does somebody have an idea?
[05:04] <mxpxpod> BenC: ping
[05:05] <BenC> pong
[05:05] <mxpxpod> BenC: ok, I'm in the latest kernel... do you want to debug this soundcard issue?
[05:06] <BenC> ls -l /proc/asound
[05:06] <mxpxpod> want me to paste it here?
[05:06] <BenC> sure
[05:06] <mxpxpod> total 0
[05:06] <mxpxpod> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 card0
[05:06] <mxpxpod> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 cards
[05:06] <mxpxpod> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 devices
[05:06] <mxpxpod> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 modules
[05:06] <mxpxpod> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 oss
[05:06] <mxpxpod> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 pcm
[05:06] <mxpxpod> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 seq
[05:06] <mxpxpod> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 timers
[05:06] <mxpxpod> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-01-22 10:06 version
[05:07] <BenC> this is an ibook?
[05:07] <mxpxpod> ibook g4
[05:07] <BenC> I get an entry like this:
[05:07] <BenC> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jan 22  2006 Toonie -> card0
[05:07] <BenC> do "lsmod | grep snd"
[05:08] <mxpxpod> snd_powermac           72372  1
[05:08] <mxpxpod> snd_pcm_oss            68480  0
[05:08] <mxpxpod> snd_mixer_oss          23072  1 snd_pcm_oss
[05:08] <mxpxpod> snd_pcm               109828  2 snd_powermac,snd_pcm_oss
[05:08] <mxpxpod> snd_timer              29156  1 snd_pcm
[05:08] <mxpxpod> snd                    72468  5 snd_powermac,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[05:08] <mxpxpod> soundcore              11716  1 snd
[05:08] <mxpxpod> snd_page_alloc         12424  1 snd_pcm
[05:08] <mxpxpod> it's like it doesn't see the snapper
[05:09] <BenC> so you know it's snapper?
[05:09] <mxpxpod> yeah
[05:09] <BenC> actually, it's doing soemthing because snd_powermac has a ref count of 1
[05:09] <BenC> so something is using it
[05:09] <mxpxpod> is there a way to figure out what?
[05:09] <BenC> do you have headphones?
[05:10] <mxpxpod> yes
[05:10] <BenC> try plugging them in, then unplugging them
[05:10] <mxpxpod> BenC: ok, now what?
[05:10] <BenC> does sound work now?
[05:11] <mxpxpod> nope
[05:13] <BenC> Can you send the output of amixer to http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/?
[05:13] <mxpxpod> it's one line
[05:13] <mxpxpod> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[05:13] <BenC> hrmm
[05:13] <BenC> can you send the output of dmesg to pastebin?
[05:14] <mxpxpod> yeah
[05:16] <mxpxpod> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7485
[05:16] <mxpxpod> there's an oops in there
[05:17] <BenC> I think I just found out the problem via another bug report
[05:17] <mxpxpod> oh?
[05:17] <BenC> hold a sec...
[05:17] <mxpxpod> ok
[05:18] <BenC> find /proc/device-tree -name layout-id
[05:18] <BenC> then do :
[05:18] <BenC> cat <file from above> | od -t x
[05:19] <mxpxpod> it didn't give me a file from the find
[05:19] <BenC> hmm, weird
[05:19] <BenC> find /proc/device-tree | grep layout-id
[05:20] <mxpxpod> nope
[05:21] <BenC> rgrep snapper /proc/device-tree
[05:21] <mxpxpod> Binary file /proc/device-tree/pci@f2000000/mac-io@17/i2s@10000/i2s-a@10000/sound/compatible matches
[05:22] <BenC> ok
[05:22] <BenC> yes, thanks for taking them time :)
[05:22] <mxpxpod> no prob... any way I can help
[05:22] <BenC> give me a minute to read the dmesg
[05:26] <BenC> stupid me
[05:26] <BenC> I already have this fixed :)
[05:26] <mxpxpod> oh?
[05:26] <BenC> how long will you be around?
[05:26] <BenC> I can give you a kernel to test
[05:26] <mxpxpod> it'll take me forever to download
[05:26] <mxpxpod> if you email me a link, I can download and test it tomorrow
[05:27] <BenC> email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll reply back with a link
[05:27] <mxpxpod> awesome
[05:27] <BenC> ppc sound is in real transistion, but it's going to be better in the end
[05:28] <BenC> but it'll be better in the end when I'm done ;)
[05:28] <mxpxpod> sweeet
[05:28] <BenC> too little coffee
[05:29] <mxpxpod> :)
[05:29] <mxpxpod> BenC: what kind of changes are you making?
[05:30] <BenC> well, BenH did some new interfaces to access the ppc gpio's, and I'm switching the sound drivers to use them
[05:30] <BenC> the old way used some real hacks, the platform function interface is the "macos" way, and should work better
[05:30] <mxpxpod> awesome
[05:30] <BenC> I had to use it to get sound working right on my 17" PB
[05:31] <mxpxpod> ok, I sent you an email
[05:31] <BenC> great, thanks
[05:32] <mxpxpod> like I said, I'll grab it tomorrow... hopefully that's soon enough :)
[05:34] <mxpxpod> BenC: thanks again
[05:35] <BenC> np
[05:35] <mxpxpod> BenC: by the way, do you have your ae working?
[05:35] <BenC> ae?
[05:35] <mxpxpod> airport extreme
[05:35] <BenC> oh, yeah, been using it for some weeks now
[05:36] <mxpxpod> I can't get mine to work at all
[05:36] <BenC> bcm43xx driver, you'll need to extract firmware using fwcutter (bcm43xx.berlios.de), and put it in /lib/firmware/
[05:36] <mxpxpod> oh, I've done all that
[05:36] <BenC> you have to set the rate to 11M, or it wont work
[05:36] <BenC> highest I've gotten to work is 36M
[05:37] <BenC> but 11M is stable
[05:37] <mxpxpod> BenC: does dhcp work with it?
[05:37] <BenC>         pre-up iwconfig eth0 rate 11M
[05:37] <BenC>         pre-up ifconfig eth0 up
[05:37] <BenC>         pre-up sleep 2
[05:37] <BenC>         pre-up iwconfig eth0 rate 11M
[05:37] <BenC> I added that to /etc/network/interfaces for my card
[05:37] <BenC> yeah
[05:38] <BenC> I use dhcp, so it's all working well (just no wireless stats)
[05:38] <mxpxpod> ah
[05:38] <BenC> as far as I'm concerned, when it works at 54M and wireless stats are implemented, it will be 100% ready for wide use
[05:38] <mxpxpod> :)
[05:38] <mxpxpod> I'll try to figure it out sometime this afternoon
[05:39] <mxpxpod> BenC: where do you have the pre-up stuff? underneath iface eth0 inet dhcp?
[05:43] <BenC> yeah
[05:43] <mxpxpod> BenC: also, do you use network-manager with it?
[05:43] <BenC> no
[05:43] <mxpxpod> how about wep?
[05:44] <BenC> yeah, I use a wep key
[05:44] <BenC> wireless-essid FOO
[05:44] <BenC> wireless-key BLAHBLAH
[05:45] <mxpxpod> I'm trying to figure out how to format my wep key
[05:45] <BenC> I just put the hex
[05:45] <mxpxpod> with no :'s or -'s?
[05:45] <BenC> yeah
[05:45] <BenC> no 0x either
[05:45] <mxpxpod> right
[05:46] <mxpxpod> hrmmm
[05:46] <BenC> then "sudo ifup eth0"
[05:46] <mxpxpod> she's not wanting to get an ip
[05:46] <BenC> ^C and try again
[05:47] <BenC> it's a little quirky, also check to make sure it's at 11M (iwconfig eth0"
[05:47] <BenC> )
[05:47] <BenC> I also have wireless-rate 11M in the file
[05:47] <BenC> you have to really convince it to go to 11M :)
[05:47] <mxpxpod> heh
[05:48] <mxpxpod> whoa!!!!
[05:48] <mxpxpod> whoa!!!!
[05:49] <mxpxpod> brb
[05:51] <BenC> heh, that didn't look good :)
[05:54] <BenC> working for you now?
[05:54] <bryanf> BenC: sweet
[05:55] <bryanf> BenC: btw, this is mxpxpod
[05:55] <BenC> yeah, I recognize the name from the email :)
[05:55] <mxpxpod> BenC: yeah, that's cool
[05:56] <mxpxpod> BenC: thanks for the help
[05:56] <mxpxpod> now, if I could just get it so that my wife can use it without using the cmd line :)
[05:57] <BenC> mine is auto up now, and it works well
[05:57] <mxpxpod> cool
[05:57] <mxpxpod> I gotta go
[05:57] <mxpxpod> my wife wants to attack me ;)
[05:57] <BenC> later
[05:57] <mxpxpod> thanks again for the help


[06:01] <soee_> Oh i see driver update this morning :)
[06:08] <soee> mamarley: now with the latest driver Kernel 4.16-rc7 works fine
[11:00] <ricotz> soee, did you receive the 390.48 update on xenial?
[11:02] <soee> ricotz: yes, this morning
[11:03] <soee> all works fine with kernel 4.16-rc7
[14:26] <mamarley> ricotz: You mentioned pbuilder yesterday.  Do you have preferred documentation as far as setting it up?  Most of what I have found seems very out-of-date.
[14:28] <ricotz> mamarley, look at pbuilder-dist which is quite easy
[14:28] <ricotz> no setup required afair
[14:29] <mamarley> Thanks!
[14:29] <ricotz> let it "create" the two chroots for i386 and amd64
[14:29] <ricotz> then you can use "build" and pass the .dsc
[14:30] <ricotz> no root/sudo required
[14:31] <ricotz> what I did is mounting /var/cache/pbuilder/build as a tmpfs
[14:31] <mamarley> So the compilation takes place on a ramdisk?
[14:32] <ricotz> in my case, yes
[14:32] <ricotz> otherwise the partition which contains this folder
[14:32] <mamarley> That's a good idea, since I was thinking I would need to put my pbuilder chroots on my slow HDD since my SSD isn't large enough.
[14:32] <mamarley> But compiling on an HDD is much slower.
[14:33] <ricotz> while using a tmpfs the size could be a limitation for real
[14:34] <ricotz> SSDs aren't that small ;)
[14:34] <mamarley> Depends on how much $$$ you have. :)
[14:34] <ricotz> RAM is more expensive ;)
[14:35] <mamarley> But I would assume the ramdisk is cleaned up after the build?
[14:35] <ricotz> yes, pbuilder purges its build trees
[14:36] <ricotz> at least by default


 I think my print head is drunk.  I've never seen a chart like this.
 Do you have a silicone cover for it? It helps keep the temperature steady
 ls
 I use this cotton tape stuff https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076P7RD9B/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 The printer always goes above the temp at the start, but the weird part is the graph shows the temperature going backwards and up.  I've never seen anything like that.
 @maxolase1squad, I use Linode
 Howso?
 For my website
 I mean, how are they getting under yours kin
 *your skin
[04:45] <Maxolasersquad> They are patching their servers hosting the VMs, but are giving us almost no time to plan and prepare for reboots.
[04:46] <Maxolasersquad> Emails after 5 pm are not helpful. Fridays email that after 6pm about a Sunday morning reboot meant Friday evening we all learned we had to work over the weekend.
[04:46] <Maxolasersquad> It seems this week various people will be up at all hours of the night nursing reboots.
[04:51] <Maxolasersquad> It would be fine if we could properly plan ahead but their announcement window isn't reasonable.


[15:03] <Nivex> grrr! they took away Twinkle in 12.10. Why can't we keep a decent SIP client around?!
[20:22] <Nivex> and autofs not being able to handle an IPv6 NFS server also gives me a sad, but that's been busted from the get go