[02:18] <qwebirc231403> I just start using autopilot. I encounter this error, "import mock\n ImportError: No module named mock". Any people know how to solve it?
[02:31] <ahayzen> qwebirc231403, u'll need to install the package python-mock
[02:39] <qwebirc231403> ahayzen: fixed. Thanks. Now I have this error "from ubuntuuitoolkit import emulators as toolkit_emulators\n ImportError: No module named ubuntuuitoolkit"
[02:42] <ahayzen> qwebirc231403, try installing ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot
[02:47] <qwebirc231403> ahayzen: It works, thank you
[02:47] <ahayzen> qwebirc231403, no problem
[08:23] <dholbach> good morning
[09:00] <dpm> morning mzanetti o/ the reminders app is already in the store and looking better every day, thanks! :) I've tested the latest branches and filed a bunch of bugs
[09:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Bubble Wrap Appreciation Day! :-D  http://www.virtual-bubblewrap.com/popnow.shtml
[10:10] <mzanetti> dpm: o/
[10:10] <mzanetti> dpm: regarding this comment: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/change-edit-page/+merge/203139/comments/474181
[10:11] <mzanetti> dpm: I've seen this too. haven't really investigated as I' quite sure it's not in my code. but it seems that the scrolled offset is not taken into account
[10:12] <mzanetti> dpm: like: if there isn't anything scrolled, everything is fine. but as soon as you scroll down a bit, setting the cursor position breaks
[10:12] <mzanetti> and I think exactly the offset for how much you scrolled
[10:13] <dpm> mzanetti, yeah, I figured out it wasn't in the app's code. Yes, that seems plausible, right now it's really not possible to do edits because of this, though. I shall report it as an SDK bug
[10:13] <dpm> a UITK bug, rather
[10:13] <mzanetti> dpm: cool, thanks.
[12:00] <WebbyIT> Hey mzanetti :)
[12:00] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: o/
[12:01] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, I'm here to help you with reminders-app, if you are ok :-) But I don't know C++...
[12:01] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: yeah, I've been talking to dpm.
[12:02] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: I was thinking if you could perhaps start with creating the RTF formatting panel
[12:02] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, ok, I'll start to work on this asap!
[12:02] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: that is, if you use latest trunk and edit a note, you'll see a panel at the bottom for importing pictures and do RTF formatting
[12:03] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: when pressing the rtf button, I think the panel should transform into another panel giving controls for bold, italic, color etc
[12:03] <dpm> WebbyIT, so if you're interested in participating, in the meantime I'll add you to the team if you're ok with that
[12:03] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, cool, yeah!
[12:03] <WebbyIT> dpm, yes, sure
[12:03] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: I'm not entirely sure yet how to do the actual editing. you could have a look if its possible to edit the stuff in the TextArea directly
[12:04] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, ok, I'll investigate then I'll update you
[12:04] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, meanwhile, I tried to fix a bug: https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/1273102
[12:04] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: we could do it in c++ easily, however, that would require to reload the content which would cause it to be repositioned etc
[12:04] <mzanetti> so if possible we should edit the content in qml directly
[12:04] <dpm> WebbyIT, nice!
[12:05] <mzanetti> approved
[12:06] <dpm> \o/
[12:06] <dpm> WebbyIT, you'll also find links to the design wireframes in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Reminders
[12:06] <WebbyIT> dpm, saved, thanks
[12:06] <WebbyIT> Launch time, I'll return this evening, thanks for indications guys!
[12:07] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: yeah, its the "Note composer/Format menu" picture in the wireframe
[12:07] <mzanetti> see you later then
[12:50] <ybon> Seems like both my desktop (Saucy) and my mobile (Trusty devel) are shipping Qt 5.0.2, any idea when/if SDK will go on Qt5.2?
[12:58] <popey> ybon: Mirv may be able to answer that
[13:00] <Mirv> ybon: as soon as it works perfectly. Unity8 already runs with it, and Qt 5.2 is being tested via a PPA https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2
[13:01] <Mirv> the problem is that we want it to run as good as Qt 5.0.2 before switching, and there bugs to be fixed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.2) and yet to be filed. hopefully however we're on track to reach the goal soon, as it's now finally possible to test it both on desktop and device to an extent.
[13:01] <popey> thanks Mirv
[13:02] <ybon> thanks Mirv :)
[13:02] <ybon> so we are close to
[13:02]  * ybon tempted to upgrade manually
[13:03] <ybon> but, well, no, if I use 5.2 things in my app, others testers will no be able to use the app
[13:03] <Mirv> ybon: it will make your phone almost unusable because the last I checked this morning was that app launching didn't really work :) on desktop it's somewhat safer.
[13:03] <popey> looking at those 59 bugs, I wouldn't upgrade ☻
[13:03] <Mirv> ybon: yeah I recommend against trying before it's actually launched and delivered via SDK
[13:03] <ybon> yep, sounds reasonable :)
[13:04] <ybon> popey: so it seems to me that there is no way to support wheel/dblclick/keyboard on map until 5.2 :(
[13:04] <ybon> I may we wrong because it's hard to follow the Qt changelog
[13:04] <ybon> I may be* wrong
[13:04] <popey> oh, interesting
[13:04] <popey> the other option might be an overlayed slider or zoom in/out buttons overlayed?
[13:05] <ybon> yes, but it breaks the "space to content" principle ;)
[13:05] <popey> true
[13:06] <ybon> I've tried to get better info on #qt-mobility, but seems quite dead over there
[13:08] <ybon> The status as understood by me is that we need this commit to be able to mix touch and mouse events: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtlocation/commit/29af7e577e34089f781322351043de39c025e01e
[13:08] <mzanetti> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/cleanup/+merge/203317
[13:08] <ybon> but again, Qt is huge, and I'm playing kind of a puzzle at the moment
[13:09] <ybon> so I may I've missed the point
[13:12] <dpm> mzanetti, running ./run_on_ubuntu_touch.sh now...
[13:14] <dpm> mzanetti, what's -DCLICK_MODE=1 in L97?
[13:14] <mzanetti> dpm: sergio's changes to cmake require us to call cmake with that now
[13:14] <mzanetti> dpm: basically it just changes all the install paths from system to some local dir
[13:15] <dpm> ok
[13:15] <mzanetti> dpm: also it generates the .json files for click packaging
[13:15] <mzanetti> if you want to know more, check CMakeLists.txt and search for if(CLICK_MODE)
[13:17] <dpm> ok
[13:17] <dpm> mzanetti, I've approved it, but not top-approved as it might be worth having Sergio having a quick look at it
[13:17] <mzanetti> dpm: yeah, I added him to the reviewers
[13:18] <dpm> cool
[13:36] <marcusw> qml, hmm?
[13:44] <popey> marcusw: hello
[13:53] <marcusw> popey: morning
[13:53] <marcusw> I was just going to ask why QML is involved here, since ubuntu is classically gtk-based
[13:55] <popey> marcusw: we switched to qt for ubuntu touch
[13:56] <marcusw> oh
[13:56] <marcusw> how about that
[13:56] <popey> indeed
[13:56] <popey> working out quite well ☻
[13:57] <marcusw> how do you handle the qml-is-slow-as-shit problem?
[13:57] <popey> heh, we also support c++.. opengl..
[13:57] <marcusw> qmlscene load times weren't an issue?
[13:57] <popey> and we report and track performance issues
[13:57] <popey> yeah, that's been a problem on the radar
[13:58] <marcusw> qmlscene slowness almost killed our platform here
[13:58] <marcusw> it's a billion-dollar product for us, kind of a big deal
[13:59] <marcusw> we ended up having this one qt guy rewrite it to not be slow
[13:59] <marcusw> lol
[13:59] <mzanetti> fginther: hi. you around yet?
[14:00] <marcusw> unfortunately management isn't very enthusiastic about publishing it
[14:00] <fginther> mzanetti, I'm here
[14:00] <popey> I think we're looking at alternative ways to launch.
[14:01] <mzanetti> fginther: the reminders-app has been renamed to reminders (and with it the AP test suite)
[14:01] <mzanetti> fginther: could you please change the job to execute "autopilot run reminders"
[14:01] <mzanetti> instead of reminders_app
[14:05] <fginther> mzanetti, sure
[14:06] <fginther> mzanetti, did the bzr trunk branch change?
[14:09] <mzanetti> fginther: no, not yet
[14:09] <mzanetti> fginther: so far only the code inside
[14:09] <mzanetti> dpm: do we change that? ^
[14:11] <dpm> mzanetti, yeah, makes sense, but I'd double-check with fginther on the timing to do the change on Jenkins. Francis, shall we approve the branch doing the rename and then change the Jenkins job or is there a cleaner way for the transition?
[14:13] <fginther> dpm, I was mostly curious if more changes were coming. If there is an MP ready with the autopilot rename ready, lets go ahead and land that, then you can let me know the branch is renamed
[14:15] <mzanetti> fginther: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/cleanup/+merge/203317
[14:17] <dpm> fginther, another question: would it be possible to trigger Jenkins for https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-calendar-app/url-dispatcher/+merge/201543 ? It seems it never ran for that MP
[14:21] <fginther> dpm, one moment
[14:27] <dpm> fginther, np, thanks!. Also, I'm cleaning up the pending branches for calendar. I've got this one from you: https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/ubuntu-calendar-app/remove-build-deps/+merge/192579 - as per oSoMoN's comment's do I mark it as rejected, or do you need those dependencies removed for any reason?
[14:32] <fginther> dpm, it was old and I can't remember what I was trying to do, I've removed it
[14:32] <dpm> ok, thanks
[14:32] <dpm> popey, do you know what this branch is trying to address? https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/MonthHighlightFix/+merge/201279
[14:33] <dpm> I'm not sure what I should be looking at
[14:33]  * popey looks
[14:34] <fginther> dpm, ted's MP is running now, he's probably not a member of the calendar team
[14:34] <dpm> fginther, ah, no, he isn't. What do we do in those cases to get Jenkins running?
[14:36] <fginther> dpm, someone has to manually run the jobs through the jenkins UI or add him to one of the touch app teams
[14:37] <dpm> ok, no worries. If you don't mind, it sounds doable to ping you when we get external contributions.
[14:37] <popey> dpm: http://imgur.com/jLf40iM
[14:38] <popey> note the difference in the size of the white highlight, it's too big on the right window
[14:38] <popey> takes up all the 27 part plus the 20 part above
[14:38] <dpm> ah, well spotted, thanks popey
[14:39] <popey> i reported it during a meeting but didnt file a bug, kunal fixed it clearly ☻
[14:48] <dpm> cool
[14:49] <popey> dpm: any merges you want me to take a look at?
[14:50] <dpm> popey, I'm looking at the ones I can do, but perhaps some bug triaging would be helpful: some of the Fix Committed ones need to be checked out to see if they're Fix Released and a bunch of others need to be triaged and need Importance setting
[14:50] <popey> lets cover them in our call in 10
[14:51] <davmor2> popey: could you look at merging dino dna with that of toad and make dinosaurs for us?
[14:51] <dpm> ok
[14:51] <popey> davmor2: again, in english?
[14:52] <davmor2> popey: think Jurassic Park :)  <popey> dpm: any merges you want me to take a look at?  not so much fun when you have to explain it though :)
[14:54] <popey> davmor2: http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[14:54] <davmor2> popey: you need to add the sadtrombone.com button to that just to make it perfect ;)
[15:01] <popey> ☻
[15:01] <ybon> Just reading the email about app running in background: does I understand well that they are forbidden by design?
[15:03] <Elleo> ybon: yeah, pretty much, you might want to have a read through this thread for some discussion on it, although I'm not sure if there's been anything more recent: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04736.html
[15:04] <ybon> That's sound strange to me, but I may be out of the point
[15:04] <ybon> thanks for the link :)
[15:05] <Elleo> ybon: yeah, I think the general concern is to avoid poorly written apps hogging battery life when they're not in use
[15:05] <Elleo> but it does cause some issues for certain apps (like cutespotify) that need to be running in the background to work normally
[15:07] <ybon> yes, I thin I do understand why it's done like this
[15:08] <ybon> but as exposed in the email you pointed to me, there are some use cases where this will be a blocker
[15:09] <ybon> Ready the thread further
[15:09] <ybon> reading*
[15:13] <davmor2> ybon: it maybe that there is a helper that will allow background operation of apps it's just not implemented currently
[15:14] <ybon> davmor2: good to know, thanks
[15:15] <ybon> for reference, a use case i have in mind is a GPS tracker
[15:15] <ybon> I know it's something I will need in the toolbox of a OSMer using UT
[15:16] <Elleo> ybon: in the short term for personal use you can simply disable powerd ("adb shell stop powerd") which will stop the phone going to sleep, so as long as the tracker is in the foreground it'll be running
[15:16] <Elleo> that's obviously far from ideal though
[15:17] <ybon> thanks good to know
[15:17] <ybon> but yeah, not really end user friendly ;)
[15:18] <ybon> ah, the GPS tracker was already highlighted as a use case in the follow up of the thread :)
[15:20] <fginther> mzanetti, I ran your reminders app MP and there was a test failure.  Look like some internal import of reminders_app
[15:27] <mzanetti> fginther: that might be, yeah. I'll fix it. one sec
[15:27] <mzanetti> fginther: pushed
[16:29] <balloons> oSoMoN, got a moment to look at a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1271726
[16:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1271726 in Ubuntu Calendar App "In Week tab labels displayed in HeaderDateComponent differ from date with localization other than English locale" [High,Triaged]
[16:30] <oSoMoN> balloons, not now, but I’ll put it on my list
[16:30] <balloons> It's kind of confusing to read, I'd suggest to have a look at the screenshots. Essentially the date displayed vs the date stored in the object is different
[16:30] <balloons> in several places throughout the app.. stemming from a monday start of week locale
[16:53] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, o/
[17:50] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: hi
[17:51] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, fast question: are you on 14.04? 'cause I've some problems with some icons, I'm on 13.10...
[17:52] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: yeah, 14.04 here. what's the issue? the icon properties in the toolbaricons?
[17:52] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, yap, I sobstitute them with another just to develope, I have to remember to change again before push
[17:52] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: there is a ppa which gives you the latest uitk
[17:53] <mzanetti> dpm: do you remember which one?
[17:54] <WebbyIT> I have ubuntu-sdk-team-ppa-saucy.list, ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers-daily-saucy.list and  unity-team-ppa-saucy.list
[17:54] <dpm> mzanetti, WebbyIT, I'd recommend only installing from the stable PPA. I've had bad experiences with breakage and dependencies when trying the bleeding edge SDK ppa
[17:55] <WebbyIT> unfortunately I have problems with my nvidia card, so I prefer to stay on stable version of Ubuntu
[17:55] <popey> +1
[17:56] <mzanetti> this ppa should only update the touch components. but fair enough... I guess we can revert those icons to the old api
[17:56] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: feel free to propose a branch that makes it work with 13.10
[17:56] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, don't worries, I have no problem, I change with some random icons
[18:05] <nik90> mihir:
[18:05] <nik90> hey
[18:15] <mzanetti> fginther: all green btw. https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/cleanup/+merge/203317
[18:15] <mzanetti> thank you!
[18:15] <dpm> nik90, we updated the day for the clock hack day in the wiki
[18:16] <dpm> let us know if it works for you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/HackDays
[18:16] <nik90> dpm: don't be mad, but my exam was actually today so I dont mind tomorrow or the day after
[18:16] <nik90> sry
[18:16] <dpm> nik90, ah well, no worries, I hope that it went well :)
[18:17] <nik90> dpm: yeah it went well :)
[18:17] <dpm> good to hear
[18:17] <dpm> WebbyIT, what's exactly the problem with icons? Are they not showing up in the desktop?
[18:18] <WebbyIT> dpm, yes, exactly, I have some errors like
[18:18] <WebbyIT> file:///usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Themes/Ambiance/ToolbarButtonStyle.qml:33:9: QML QQuickImage: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/edit
[18:21] <dpm> WebbyIT, mzanetti, in those cases where the desktop theme doesn't have the icon, I think an alternative can be specified, e.g. iconSource: "image://theme/delete,edit-delete-symbolic"
[18:26] <om26er> boiko, ping
[18:26] <boiko> om26er: pong
[18:26] <om26er> boiko, can you review this https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/dialer-app/support_testability/+merge/203391
[18:26] <om26er> one liner
[18:26] <boiko> om26er: yes, sure, I just wonder when this is going to be moved from QApplication to QCoreApplication in Qt itself :-S
[18:27] <boiko> om26er: messaging-app will need the same fix
[18:27] <om26er> boiko, here: https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/messaging-app/fix_introspection/+merge/203392 :p
[18:27] <boiko> om26er: ah, nice! I can review that one too, if you want
[18:28] <om26er> boiko, yes, that one is for you too
[18:28] <om26er> ;)
[18:28] <om26er> will need to add that to camera app as well
[18:29] <boiko> om26er: and address-book-app?
[18:29] <om26er> boiko, seems it already has it
[18:29] <boiko> om26er: great!
[18:31] <om26er> boiko, the "HistoryDelegate" in the messaging app needs a "moving" property when its being expanded. how simple is that going to be to add ?
[18:31] <om26er> 10x better than sleep(1)
[18:31] <boiko> om26er: I guess it is simple, but maybe an animating property would be better (this might cover future cases of animation)
[18:33] <om26er> boiko, I might need to see some examples to be able to try to implement it (and learning)
[18:34] <boiko> om26er: let me check the code, just a sec
[18:58] <labsin> popey, others, So I try to launch an app with qml plugins. It's working on the dektop in confinement with just placing the libs in ./lib/<arch> but it seems to not be working on the phone
[18:59] <popey> labsin: trying to test it manually here
[18:59] <labsin> I then tried a wrapper script that exports LD_LIBRARY_DIR and adds the -I option to qmlscene (qmlscene -I lib/<arch>) and that works on the desktop
[19:03] <popey> labsin: is your library built against qt4?
[19:03] <labsin> popey, no
[19:04] <labsin> I don't think so..
[19:05] <popey> labsin: try not using a shell script but use Exec=qmlscene... and specify the qml file before the -I lib/foo
[19:05] <popey> i have a feeling the sequence is important
[19:05] <popey> qmlscene ./music-app.qml --file=%f -I ./plugins
[19:05] <popey> e.g. thats how the music app does it
[19:06] <popey> hmm, but we don't have the arch specific directory in the music app
[19:06] <labsin> popey, It only has ARM
[19:06] <popey> yeah
[19:06] <popey> can you build a click which only has arm?
[19:06] <popey> with no arch directory?
[19:07] <labsin> popey, I used the proposed layout in the ubuntu-touch maillist
[19:07] <popey> ah
[19:07] <labsin> music app probably needs to change for fat packaging
[19:08] <labsin> popey, I used the shell to set the linkers path because I also have a dynamic lib
[19:14] <labsin> popey, another try http://ubuntuone.com/2ECSspw1A5N1RwKdcTh1BM
[19:14] <popey> ok
[19:19] <popey> labsin: it starts
[19:19] <popey> labsin: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-27-191927.png
[19:20] <labsin> popey, does the second tab display anything?
[19:20] <popey> yes ☻
[19:20] <popey> labsin: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-27-192040.png
[19:21] <labsin> popey, It still needs a ROM (you sould get it from your own calc, but i'll give you mine :D)
[19:21] <popey> haha ☻
[19:21] <labsin> http://ubuntuone.com/38ngJNIRg4koudql71iwUZ
[19:21] <popey> this is way better than searching for MAME ROMS
[19:21] <popey> where do I put that?
[19:22] <labsin> .local/share/com.ubuntu.developer.labsin.tilem/
[19:23] <popey> ok, it finds it
[19:23] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-27-192315.png
[19:23] <popey> and explodes when I click it
[19:23] <labsin> popey, thought so :)
[19:24] <popey> Unable to load ROM file "/home/phablet/.local/share/com.ubuntu.developer.labsin.tilem/ti84se.rom": Permission denied
[19:24] <popey> oh
[19:24]  * popey fixes
[19:24] <labsin> popey, ow?
[19:24] <popey> i used adb push as root
[19:24] <popey> ok, better now it's owned by phablet
[19:24] <labsin> popey, ahhh (didn't expect that)
[19:25] <labsin> calc screen should go white
[19:25] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-27-192459.png
[19:25] <popey> it does
[19:25] <labsin> and then put it on
[19:25] <labsin> (left bottom)
[19:25] <popey> hmm
[19:25] <popey> not responding to that
[19:26] <labsin> popey, could you get the log?
[19:26] <popey> ya
[19:26] <labsin> tnx
[19:27] <popey> labsin: /
[19:27] <popey> bah
[19:27] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6827938/
[19:28] <popey> (pressed it a few times)
[19:28] <popey> i need to make food, responses may slow a bit, but ping me if you need anything
[19:29] <labsin> ok thanx
[19:50] <samertm> hey all
[19:51] <samertm> if I were to work on this cal app bug, where would I start? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1272625
[19:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1272625 in Ubuntu Calendar App "In the Day view of the app the bottom of the 11 PM hour is cut off" [Undecided,New]
[19:57] <Mihir_> samertm: hey
[19:57] <Mihir_> samertm: are you trying first time ?
[19:57] <samertm> Mihir_: yeah
[19:58] <samertm> I'm here for the hack day haha
[19:58] <Mihir_> samertm: did you set up everything correctly ?
[19:58] <samertm> I believe so, I have it running in qt creator
[20:00] <Mihir_> samertm: make sure you are able to run application and then try to follow the step
[20:01] <samertm> Mihir_: I can recreate the bug. I'm trying to figure out how scrolling works :P
[20:01] <samertm> are you saying I should step through the application w/ the debugger??
[20:02] <samertm> ?* only one question mark
[20:02] <Mihir_> Scrolling will work with your mouse wheel
[20:02] <Mihir_> as well
[20:03] <Mihir_> samertm: there must be problem with some size
[20:04] <Mihir_> try to look in Dayview file
[20:05] <samertm> Mihir_: alright, thanks for the tip :)
[20:05] <samertm> what are the path views?
[20:05] <samertm> like, PathView or PathViewBase
[20:05] <samertm> are they the main scrolling areas of the app?
[20:08] <samertm> Mihir_: I think I've found the culprit... let me do some more testing
[20:08] <Mihir_> samertm: when you look from the root file, it will make call to many other classes
[20:09] <labsin> popey, ok maybe this is better: http://ubuntuone.com/2ECSspw1A5N1RwKdcTh1BM
[20:09] <samertm> Mihir_: in DayView.qml, under PathViewBase, height is probably set to the wrong value
[20:14] <popey> labsin: you broke it file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.labsin.tilem/0.1/TilEm.qml:5 module "Utils" is not installed
[20:15] <labsin> popey, damn. Thought the -I wasn't needed (because it complains in the log)
[20:15] <popey> labsin: maybe now it's time to setup the emulator ☻
[20:15] <labsin> popey, Yes, I know. It's running for half an hour now and still a black screen
[20:15] <popey> yeah, takes a while
[20:16] <samertm> Mihir_: through trial and error, the height variable needs to be set to "column.height - viewHeader.height - dayHeader.height - 28" instead of "column.height - viewHeader.height - dayHeader.height"
[20:16] <samertm> :P
[20:16] <labsin> it seems to work once, I'll try creating it again
[20:16] <samertm> so that leaves the question, what header/item are we not taking into account that has a height of 28?
[20:17] <samertm> (btw, the bug also exists on WeekView
[20:17] <samertm> )
[20:33] <Mihir_> samertm: okay
[20:33] <Mihir_> samertm: once you are done push it and other will review your MR and will give you the feedback
[20:33] <Mihir_> :)
[20:34] <samertm> Mihir_: thanks! so what are the headers and where can I find them?
[20:35] <samertm> b/c I measured the bar that says "SUN MON TUE..." at 26 pixels
[20:40] <samertm> hmmm... the Day and Week views have different cut off points
[20:40] <samertm> but they're both wrong
[20:48] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, I started to work on RTF for reminders-app, but via QML I have a problem: if I try to insert some formatting tag (e.g. <b>) if there is no text in the tags, then it is insterted. Mhh, I think I'm not explained well, please see this example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6828371/ last example is my idea to "hacks" the situation
[20:48] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, what do you think?
[20:49] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: yeah, the cursorposition doesn't match the actual position in the html
[20:50] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: in C++ I walk through the whole xml and count plaintext characters.
[20:50] <mzanetti> but not sure if thats an option to do in qml
[20:50] <mzanetti> I could offer you some helper from C++ though
[20:50] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, but problem is not cursorPosition, problem is that if I try to insert <b></b>  doesn't work, but <b>a</b> yes
[20:52] <WebbyIT> If C++ can override this behavior, good, I think I have to study C++ :-P
[20:52] <WebbyIT> otherwise, insert some example text is the best idea I have
[20:52] <mzanetti> ah, I see
[20:52] <mzanetti> let me think for a minute
[20:53] <mzanetti> so there are 2 cases actually.
[20:53] <mzanetti> one if the user has selected some text and clicks the <b> button
[20:53] <WebbyIT> and I have not implement this yet, but it's not a problem
[20:53] <mzanetti> and the other if nothing is selected but the user wants to enable bold mode for the following characters
[20:53] <mzanetti> so I think case 1 is not a problem here
[20:54] <mzanetti> for case 2 I'd say we have to set a flag, boldEnabled: true
[20:54] <mzanetti> and then when the next char is coming in, make that bold
[20:55] <mzanetti> but yeah... otherwise you could just insert them in c++
[20:55] <mzanetti> if that turns out to be easier (which I would think)
[20:56]  * WebbyIT looks the web for a C++ guide
[20:56] <mzanetti> check out enmldocument.cpp
[20:56] <mzanetti> there's the attachimage
[20:56] <mzanetti> its not that hard actually
[20:56] <mzanetti> you have the QXmlStreamReader and QXmlStreamWriter
[20:57] <mzanetti> it walks through the whole tree and copies over the tags
[20:57] <mzanetti> from the reader to the writer
[20:57] <mzanetti> and at the given position just insterts the tags
[20:58] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, ok, thanks, I'll try to look at it, I'll ping you if I need an help!
[20:58] <mzanetti> WebbyIT: there's one more caveat tho
[20:58] <mzanetti> if we call something from c++ we need to read the text from the textedit and set it again
[20:59] <mzanetti> which means the view would scroll to top
[20:59] <mzanetti> or even flicker maybe
[20:59] <mzanetti> we need to get around that. perhaps remembering the position and scrolling back. at least evaluate if that would be an option
[21:00] <WebbyIT> seems a challenge :-) I like it!
[21:03] <samertm> hmm.... viewHeader.height is 38, and dayHeader.height is 64, but I can't find any elements that are those heights in pixels w/ gimp
[21:06] <samertm> hmm..... root.height is 552 for WeekView, but 564 for the DayView
[21:08] <samertm> Mihir_: any thoughts?
[21:14] <samertm> newbie question: where do root objects inherit their height from?
[21:15] <samertm> b/c in DayView, root.height is 564, and in WeekView, root.height is 552
[21:15] <samertm> when I would expect them to be the same
[22:14] <WebbyIT> mzanetti, mhh, I think I need help on logic implementation: I was able to do a C++ function that is invoked when I press bold button (my first C++ code ever) but I have a problem: if I add only <b> then all the text until the end of text
[22:15] <WebbyIT> If i use writer.writeStartElement("b");
[22:15] <WebbyIT>                 writer.writeEndElement();
[22:15] <WebbyIT> nothing is write
[22:15] <WebbyIT> I don't know how to put text between start and end tag
[22:15] <mzanetti> writer.writeCharacters() to write text
[22:16] <WebbyIT> yes, but there is no text yet :)
[22:16] <mzanetti> actually... I just realize...
[22:16] <mzanetti> if we insert the tags in there, and then update the ui again, the textedit will optimize them away again :/
[22:17] <mzanetti> dammit. sorry I didn't think of it before
[22:17] <WebbyIT> NP, I learn a lot of thing tonight, maybe it's the start of my study of C++ :)
[22:17] <mzanetti> yay
[22:17] <mzanetti> it wasn't that hard, was it?
[22:18] <WebbyIT> No, it wasn't, I look at your code and I have no problem
[22:18] <mzanetti> I try to keep it as readable as possible
[22:19] <WebbyIT> you do a good job, with some grep and sublime I find everything I need :)
[22:19] <mzanetti> thanks..
[22:19] <mzanetti> so yeah. I think we need to do some more here
[22:19] <mzanetti> remembering positions and whatnot
[22:19] <mzanetti> and modifying the inserted text depending on those flags
[22:20] <WebbyIT> Mhh, I have an idea maybe, but I'll use QML :-P
[22:29] <mzanetti> yup. whatever you think its best. I think you know all the corner cases and possibilities now. you choose the weapons
[22:36] <samertm> Datsundere: hey
[22:38] <samertm> dpm: how much do you know about the calendar app?
[22:38] <dpm> hi samertm, it depends what you want to know :) What are you trying to find out about calendar?
[22:39] <samertm> dpm: I'm trying to figure out how the heights for the different views get set
[22:39] <samertm> for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1272625
[22:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1272625 in Ubuntu Calendar App "In the Day view of the app the bottom of the 11 PM hour is cut off" [Undecided,New]
[22:40] <samertm> for instance, the height of WeekView is 552 and the height of DayView (and all the other views) is 564
[22:40] <samertm> and I'm trying to figure out what's causing the difference
[22:41] <samertm> I'm brand new to qml :P
[22:41] <dpm> samertm, I'm afraid I don't know off the top of my head, I'd have to look at the code, but the best thing might be to send an e-mail to this mailing list -> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps
[22:41] <dpm> If you ask there, the developers will be happy to answer the question
[22:42] <samertm> dpm: alright, thanks!


[00:02] <fta> jcastro, could you please close http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3092/ ?
[00:03] <fta> or tell me how i could do that...
[00:05] <fta> asac, http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7498/
[00:05] <fta> ubufox ?
[00:15] <fta> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9770/ :)
[00:25] <asac> fta: not sure ;)
[00:25] <asac> about brainstorm
[00:25] <asac> (didnt manage to file the 3.1 bug)
[00:33] <asac> 3.0.2 and ubufox uploaded
[00:33] <asac> 269656 fixed ;)
[00:45] <Volans> asac: I have sent you and email about med-auto-scripts and pushed all my scripts on LP among with an example of a "master" script
[00:49] <asac> Volans: yep answered
[00:50] <Volans> thanks :)
[00:52] <asac> sunbird 0.9 is out ;)
[01:12] <fta> asac, Sep 22 22:00:10 <fta>     SUNBIRD_0_9_RELEASE
[01:29] <Volans> bye, good night!
[01:53] <fta> asac, ff3.1a2 pushed to mt ppa
[02:34] <jcastro> fta: closed
[07:27]  * asac yawns
[07:27] <asac> morning ;)
[07:48] <asac> fta: did you already push nss/nspr to your PPA?
[08:11] <knome> asac, ping pong
[08:12] <knome> asac, there's been conversation on the start pages for different distros on the k/xubuntu-devel and ubuntu-website mailing lists
[08:14] <knome> asac, i heard you have been working with ubufox and thus am asking you whether this could be extended for the other distros as well
[08:14] <knome> asac, please ping or pm me when you have time (i will most probably be offline then though, but i'll get back to you)
[08:54] <fta> hi
[08:54] <fta> asac, not yet, but i will
[09:12] <asac> cool
[09:16] <gnomefreak> whos here?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> there is no way to have a rss feed reader(liferea) for the Mozilla team? this way we can all see the updates to extensions and such
[09:25] <gnomefreak> Therefore we have decided to radically change the future of Epiphany in the upcoming 2.24 development cycle.
[09:26] <gnomefreak> dropping gecko
[09:33] <gnomefreak> asac: from what im reading Mozilla hasnt decided what to do with EULA yet. is our fix and thier fix(when released) going to conflict? assuming we know what they plan on doing
[09:40] <asac> gnomefreak: depends on how you conflict
[09:40] <asac> err define conflict
[09:41] <asac> i am working with them. what they will finally do is open, yes, but our approach should at least be an option
[09:41] <gnomefreak> i like what you did with it and i would hate that Mozillas fix will change that
[09:42] <asac> gnomefreak: the general approach "showing notification area" is agreed upon. i think even if they go for the "stupid" firstrun page solution we will still be allowed to use our variant
[09:42] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[09:43] <gnomefreak> im looking for feeds to the extensions i was/will be working on to keep up to date
[09:55] <asac> gnomefreak: we are working on something
[09:56] <asac> volans writes scripts that move us towards auto upgrading upstream branches and auto merging
[09:56] <asac> in that way you should get notification that something new is there
[09:59] <gnomefreak> asac: for the feeds?
[09:59] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[09:59] <gnomefreak> that works
[10:01] <asac> gnomefreak: instead of feeds getting merge request mails or failure notices i guess
[10:01] <gnomefreak> epiphany-gecko???? i guess they havent fix it yet
[10:01] <asac> gnomefreak: unlikely
[10:02] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah i spoke before reading, i thought you were talking to volans
[10:02] <asac> ok :-P
[10:02] <gnomefreak> than they are dropping gecko for next release
[10:02] <gnomefreak> webkit will be used AFAIK
[10:05] <asac> yeah
[10:23] <rzr> hi friends
[10:24] <rzr> i am back as promised
[10:25] <rzr> any ubufox experts around ?
[10:26]  * rzr just updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashblock/+bug/269958
[10:26] <gnomefreak> he may be breaking it atm ;)
[10:27]  * gnomefreak looks before restart
[10:28] <gnomefreak> rzr: disable ubufox adn it works?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> s/adn/and
[10:28] <rzr> now it works w/ it
[10:28] <gnomefreak> so it works now
[10:28] <rzr> yes
[10:28] <rzr> was it bugged lately ?
[10:28] <gnomefreak> what did you do to make it work?
[10:29] <rzr> i took some vacations :)
[10:30] <rzr> just upgrade and test it ?
[10:30] <gnomefreak> i just commented to see if everyones is fixed. hardy isnt likely to get the fix but now a days anything is possible
[10:31] <gnomefreak> someone one here yesterday about this issue
[10:31] <gnomefreak> ill check bug mail in a bit
[10:31] <gnomefreak> br
[10:31] <gnomefreak> brb
[10:38] <gnomefreak> asac: im checking something but abrowser may have a bug
[10:39] <gnomefreak> assuming ff3 has same bug
[10:39] <gnomefreak> ok well the above was a bug but now the browser wont start
[10:40] <gnomefreak> ok wtf
[10:40] <gnomefreak> abrowser update now wont run
[10:41] <gnomefreak> i tried 3 times and it starts to load than just stops (no crash report nothing)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> asac: what was changed in the latest abrowser update?
[10:46] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah.
[10:46] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure why that was introduced in this upgrade
[10:46] <asac> gnomefreak: i think the abrowser link is missing
[10:46] <asac> in firefox-3.0
[10:46] <gnomefreak> so it doesnt work for you either?
[10:47] <gnomefreak> i thought it was just branding crap that was introduced in this upgrade but i havent looked at changelog
[10:47] <gnomefreak> exec: 118: /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.2/abrowser: not found
[10:47] <gnomefreak> asac: id say you are right
[10:47] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. regression
[10:48] <asac> gnomefreak: can you open a bug?
[10:48] <asac> e.g. title "abrowser does not start: $pkglibdir/abrowser link missing"
[10:48] <gnomefreak> yeah without a browser kind of hard, let me look for another browser first
[10:48] <asac> gnomefreak: you can start it manually
[10:49] <asac> e.g. /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.2/firefox
[10:49] <asac> should still work
[10:49] <gnomefreak> asac: no i cant
[10:49] <gnomefreak> thats how i got that error
[10:49] <asac> gnomefreak: try /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.2/firefox
[10:49] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ abrowser
[10:49] <gnomefreak> exec: 118: /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.2/abrowser: not found
[10:49] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$
[10:49] <asac> read what i write plz :-P
[10:50] <gnomefreak> i did i have a browser open atm
[10:50] <asac> gnomefreak: in any case you can start abrowser like i posted above
[10:52] <gnomefreak> just using firefox works
[10:52] <gnomefreak> opens abrowser
[10:54] <asac> yeah
[10:54] <asac> that too
[10:54] <gnomefreak> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/273907
[10:55] <gnomefreak> i put it under abrowser
[10:55] <gnomefreak> oh well i guess they are linked
[10:55] <asac> thanks
[10:58] <gnomefreak> np
[10:59] <gnomefreak> does mozilla provide another email client outside of sm and tbird?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back, going to rest for a couple of minutes, than time to find another email client to use/test a problem i have with
[11:09] <asac> gnomefreak: no i think thats all for "plain" email
[11:09] <asac> gnomefreak: snowl is a ffox extension under development
[11:09] <asac> that will at some point speak email
[11:09] <gnomefreak> k
[11:09] <gnomefreak> thanks
[15:38] <asac> sigh
[15:38] <asac> mozilla bug 454993
[15:38] <asac> mozilla bug 456182
[15:38] <asac> mozilla bug 456661
[15:41] <armin76> bug 1
[15:41] <armin76> :D
[15:41] <armin76> lol
[16:02] <fta2> asac, ? again?
[16:03] <asac> fta2: *sigh*
[16:03] <asac> yeah
[16:03] <asac> 3.0.3 is coming :(
[16:07] <fta2> gasp
[16:11] <asac> fta2: i also landed a few milestone fixes in ffox package that will go up after meeting
[16:12] <asac> not sure if i closed .head ... but feel fre to merge that up
[16:30] <asac> mozilla bug 454708
[16:33] <Volans> si certo
[16:41] <fta2> asac, i don't have your nss tarball. what tag was it?
[16:42] <fta2> nm
[16:42] <fta2> NSS_3_12_1_RC2
[16:42] <Volans> ops... wrong tab sorry :)
[16:53] <asac> bug 244413
[16:53] <asac> fta2: right
[16:53] <asac> that will most likely be the final release according to nss dev i talked to
[17:06] <asac> fta2: are you using nss?
[17:07] <asac> i mean the _new_ nss ;)
[17:07] <asac> (soname)
[17:16] <armin76> asac: 3.0.3 is coming for that stuff?
[17:35] <asac> armin76: yeah. at best prepatch
[17:35] <asac> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454708
[17:35] <asac> thats the patch that is almost certain to land
[17:36] <asac> i will roll that tomorrow morning to intrepid and prepare updates and if feedback is good push that out to hardy too
[17:43] <fta2> asac, i'm investigating the problem with dpkg-gensymbols
[17:43] <fta2> it complains inside objdump that the so files are missing
[17:47] <asac> fta: when does it do that?
[17:47] <asac> which package? nss?
[17:47] <asac> does nspr work?
[17:51] <asac> fta: if its just nss, use what i did in nspr
[17:51] <asac> actually i always wondered why it didnt fail here without that change while nspr needed it
[18:20] <asac> fta: i think this "no such file" warning can be ignored
[18:20] <asac> dh_makeshlibs -plibnspr4-0d -V 'libnspr4-0d (>= 4.7.1+1.9-0ubuntu5~)' -- -c4 -elibnspr4.so -elibplds4.so -elibplc4.so
[18:20] <asac> objdump: 'libnspr4.so': No such file
[18:20] <asac> objdump: 'libplds4.so': No such file
[18:20] <asac> appears to be harmless
[18:20] <asac> objdump: 'libplc4.so': No such file
[18:20] <asac> ^^
[18:20] <asac> currently testing if it now just do no symbol comparison by intentionally removing one symbol
[18:21] <asac> hmm
[18:26] <asac> ok i think its a particular bad idea to have no SONAME at all :)
[18:27] <sebner> asac: firefox looses all the passwords, wth? Good that I use 3.1 trunk ^
[18:30] <asac> eah
[18:30] <asac> hopefully fix will go up tomorro
[18:30] <asac> w
[18:31] <sebner> asac: upstream problem, right?
[18:33] <asac> yeah
[18:34] <asac> i am uploading to intrepid in a minute
[18:34] <sebner> asac: bad, mozilla. what do windows guys do?
[18:37] <asac> wait for mozilla release ;)
[18:37] <asac> but i think they hurry as much as they can
[18:39] <sebner> asac: kk :) but very bad reputation though
[18:39] <asac> fta: if you look at rev 38 on nspr.dev do you understand why expression like: DSO_LDOPTS='-shared -Wl,-soname -Wl,$(notdir $@)' now give an empty SONAME
[18:39] <asac> ?
[19:00] <sebner> asac: what do you think about http://derstandard.at/?id=1220458961632  ?
[19:02] <asac> sebner: not sure. i doubt that they can really cope with long term maintenance of a fork
[19:02] <asac> but who knows ;)
[19:02] <asac> maybe those changes were unintrusive then it might work
[19:02] <asac> ok off
[19:02] <asac> cu later
[19:02] <sebner> asac: hf
[19:07] <XioNoX> hi!
[19:10] <XioNoX> asac, I still don't get the flash alternative stuff from ubufox...
[19:10] <XioNoX> but I have the notificationbox who ask to restart firefox...
[19:18] <gnomefreak> Ampelbein: no pushed fix for abrowser?
[19:25] <gnomefreak> ach that should be for asac
[20:21] <gnomefreak> hmmmm lots of freezes in Mozillaland
[21:09] <armin76> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv4l; en-US; rv:<IP_ADDRESS>) Gecko/2008061200 Iceweasel/<IP_ADDRESS> (Debian-<IP_ADDRESS>-0etch1)
[21:09] <armin76> asac: ^ *g*
[21:09] <armin76> wonder why my build segfaults :(
[21:25] <gnomefreak> ppc
[21:38] <gnomefreak> asac: i cc'ed the mailing list on the email concering foxmarks he hasnt been able to give me a straight answer
[21:56] <gnomefreak> [reed]: are you around?
[21:59] <gnomefreak> i no longer get the errors when trying to send to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but my email still doesnt show up in inbox
[21:59] <gnomefreak> i guess ill play with it more tomorrow, night everyone.
[22:15] <jeroen-> properly asked before, but will sunbird 0.9 be part of intrepid?
[22:40] <asac> aye
[22:40] <asac> XioNoX: hey
[22:42] <jeroen-> asac: do you know if sunbird 0.9 will be in intrepid?
[22:42] <asac> XioNoX: so you tried to uninstall ubufox through tools -> addons and that doesnt work?
[22:43] <asac> jeroen-: not decided
[22:44] <asac> jeroen-: one presequisites to see if we want it is to get a working package based on our sunbird packaging branch up somewhere
[22:44] <jeroen-> asac: ok hopefully it will
[22:46] <jeroen-> asac: it has fully support for google calendar, thats why ;-)
[22:49] <jeroen-> ok thanks for your answers, I'm out
[22:53] <fta> asac, seb told me the freeze for b1 is tomorrow, what does that mean for ff3.1 ? i still want to push it asap. did you open the bug ?
[23:07] <fta> asac, i don't think the empty "open tree" commit is really useful as it always follow a RELEASE commit, i usually do bump the version with the 1st commit following a RELEASE
[23:07] <fta> maybe we should add bzr tags to better identify our releases
[23:08] <fta> it could even be made afterwards
[23:08] <asac> i dont mind
[23:09] <asac> (open tree or not)
[23:09] <asac> i just like diffs with "just" the changelog entry better
[23:10] <fta> as it's just two lines above the 1st entry, it doesn't matter much, a cherry pick of jsut the 1st change will diverge anyway
[23:11] <fta> i mean, conflict
[23:11] <asac> sure?
[23:11] <asac> i didnt get many conflicts on cherry picking in the recent past
[23:12] <fta> say you want to cherry pick only the 1st change after your open tree commit, you will get the pkg version in the diff, so it will conflict, and then, there's no added value for that open tree commit
[23:13] <fta> see what i mean?
[23:15] <asac> fta: right. might be ;)
[23:15] <asac> i actually think you are right
[23:15] <asac> i am just saying that i didnt get many conflicts when cherry-picking in recent history
[23:15] <asac> i sometimes thought that bzr did something smart about changelogs
[23:15] <asac> but maybe thats just pure luck i had ;)=
[23:16] <asac> but well .. go ahead to not "open tree" ;)
[23:16] <fta> yep, probably, i don't really think changelog is special in any way
[23:16] <wikz> fta: asac Hi folks :)
[23:16] <asac> not sure what i will (remember to) do
[23:16] <fta> damn, bzr: ERROR: --result option does not take a value
[23:17] <asac> but as long as we use the same way to mark releases it should be fine i guess
[23:17] <fta> new bzr is evil
[23:17] <asac> fta: --result-dir ;)
[23:17] <fta> or new bd is evil
[23:17] <asac> yeah
[23:17] <asac> fta: bd could deserve an --old-mode :)
[23:17] <asac> oh wait ... maybe we are just "old" and inflexible ;)
[23:17] <fta> wikz, hi
[23:17] <wikz> fta: How is this name for a release spicebird-0.7_0.7~pre-0ubuntu1~hardy_i386.deb
[23:18] <wikz> do we need that ubuntu thing in there ?
[23:18] <fta> i don't think you need to name your package spicebird-0.7, spicebird is enough
[23:19] <wikz> cool
[23:19] <fta> pre could be more specific
[23:19] <asac> wikz: ubuntu is more or less needed, yes
[23:19] <wikz> like the SVn revision
[23:19] <wikz> ?
[23:19] <fta> yes
[23:19] <asac> wikz: if you dont add that in the packaging revision and some chap packages spicebird in debian you might just loose your package, because if there is no ubuntu in revision the package will just be synched from debian
[23:20] <fta> 0.7~pre assumes that 0.7 is not out yet, is that the case?
[23:20] <wikz> yes fta
[23:20] <wikz> 0.7 would be the unstable revision and 0.8 would be the stable one
[23:20] <asac> wikz: like 0.7~svnREVNO
[23:20] <wikz> asac: sure
[23:21] <fta> yep, so someone could co your svn to recreate your tarball using that revno
[23:21] <wikz> fta: the libpurple had problems with --system-nss and nspr so disabled them
[23:21] <asac> wikz: the package revision ~hardy implies that its a backport of a "intrepid" build ;)
[23:21] <fta> wikz, what kind of problem?
[23:21] <asac> wikz: so if you just package for current development head you dont append taht
[23:22] <wikz> fta: It was not able to find the nssb64.h and other header files
[23:22] <wikz> asac: copy that roger :)
[23:22] <asac> wikz: you should always package for current development revision. and if you are happy with the packaging do a "hardy" backport of that.
[23:22] <asac> at least if you do the packaging close to the distro
[23:23] <fta> wikz, nssb64.h is there, you probably have a wrong configure, it's not using nss-config (or pkg-config) for nss
[23:24] <fta> it's worth fixing rather than going to in-source nss
[23:24] <wikz> fta: libpurple uses a config.h to mention if to use the system nss.h files
[23:24] <wikz> fta: I have to talk to devs about that.
[23:24] <wikz> asac: Is the window to inclusion in intrepid still open or the feature freeze has set in
[23:24] <fta> /usr/include/nss/nssb64.h
[23:24] <asac> wikz: hard to get new things in
[23:26] <asac> it will surely cause discussion and raise concerns
[23:27] <wikz> asac: surely I could use your influence to sneak them in :P
[23:28] <wikz> fta: in the .install file ,why did you list out all the files in the components dir and for the rest used the /* ?
[23:29] <fta> because i split the gnome files out ?
[23:29] <fta> s/?//
[23:29] <wikz> thought so
[23:31] <fta> in other packages i played with globs/regexps to shorten those files, in tb3, i just listed all the files
[23:32] <asac> wikz: i wouldnt be so sure about that. i need good reasons to justify a new copy of mozilla code. on top i need even better reasons to do the same that late in the cycle
[23:33] <asac> i could probably sneak it in, but then I only have a certain amount of jokers left and everytime I would do something like this, our (mozillateam) perception in the MOTU community will suffer.
[23:34] <wikz> asac: If it gets through ,suppose; would it be main or universal ?
[23:34] <fta> wikz, even tb3 is not in, nor are my seamonkey 2, songbird, flock 2, etc..
[23:34] <asac> universe
[23:34] <wikz> fta: lol :)
[23:35] <fta> wikz, asac is a tyrant ;)
[23:35] <asac> tryant? how did that happen?
[23:38] <asac> fta: flock will become _difficult_ yes :/


[15:23] <phillip> Hey all! Can some one restore the old topic and join notice from freenode for channel #ubuntu-de-l10n? Thank you!
[15:31] <krytarik> phillip: Since 'ubuntu-de-irc' is the only account on the channel ACL so far, only one of <https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-de-irc-op/+members> can fix that though.
[15:34] <phillip> krytarik: ahhh okay, will ask them. thanks!


[00:23] <kevin__> how do I purge telegram info? I've installed it but it wouldn't activate my account on the phone when I put in the code, now anytime it launches (even on uninstall, reinstall) telegram sends new activation codes and I'm stuck at a white screen.
[05:44] <samuraibsd> If I'm flashing to a Nexus 7, should I be seeing "This phone needs restoring from a PC or service center?"
[06:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:09] <Kiryat8> What is the reason that on the phone Bluetooth is so buggy when Android Bluetooth is at least stable. Why not reuse the Android code?
[08:10] <Kiryat8> I see UBPorts is also stuck on Bluetooth on their ports
[08:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> buggy how?
[08:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and which phone?
[08:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bluetooth motly works ok with this tablet for me
[08:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and bluetooth will be the same or mostly across ubuntu devices
[08:12] <Kiryat8> Nexus4 reboots
[08:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> although the nexus 4
[08:12] <Kiryat8> On phone you have to have handsfree in the car
[08:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> will be diffeent here and their
[08:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for a more proper ubuntu touch experince for certain things or bevause of
[08:13] <Kiryat8> This is a show stopper when driving
[08:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a more recent commercial device would be supported better
[08:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and no i dont use hands free
[08:14] <Kiryat8> I have dual boot Android and switch when on a trip
[08:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[08:14] <Kiryat8> According to the UBPorts devices that are newer about all works except the bluetooth
[08:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think ubuntu touch has more supprt and proper support on the commercial devices]
[08:15] <Kiryat8> I thought touch used the Android hardware drivers somehow.
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> commercial devices as in from BQ or Meizu
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Idon't mean the old first ones, not the BQ e4.5 phone or Meizu Mx 4
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but anything after those
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think that's where Ubunu touch in general, will work best
[08:16] <Kiryat8> In the bluetooth bug reports I see many bugs on BQ
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which bq ?
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as for newer Nexus phones well thos aren't supportd officaly
[08:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hence the port
[08:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and as a result you shoudn't expct Ubuntu touch to pretty much completly work there and how intended
[08:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and on my BQ M10 HD tablet, tried various bluetooth devices now, and they mostly work ok,  sometimes a few issue getting them connected again
[08:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, phonewise in general, the most supported phone is probaly the Meizu PRo 5 currently but that's no longer on sale from the manfuacter
[08:19] <Kiryat8> look in the bug reports https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez
[08:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, you should report your issues as bugs I guess
[08:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and that's ok to us Android for now for what you were doing
[08:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I have differnet devices for different tasks as well
[08:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but mostly use this Ubuntu tablet now :)
[08:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Ubuntu touch is always improving every six weeks or so and a new over the air update
[08:21] <Kiryat8> I reported the bug but evidently there are so many as no feedback
[08:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah takes time
[08:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they only get
[08:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> uhmm
[08:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well not sure quite, but probabably about 50 devs at most really
[08:22] <Kiryat8> I just looks like we do not need to reinvent the wheel
[08:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> probably only about 20 people working on ubuntu touch ful time or mostly, I Don't know quite
[08:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes a small team
[08:22] <sil2100> Help from community developers is more than welcome ;)
[08:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sil2100, indeed and hi
[08:23] <sil2100> Hello!
[08:23] <Kiryat8> I am on the release candidate cycle so updates are here but not on Bluetooth
[08:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, I don't think bluetooth is one of those things they would be  trying to change
[08:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, but one of those things instead that they would want working like Android
[08:26] <Kiryat8> Just for a phone legally here you must have a hand fee car kit. I do like Ubuntu touch and when I have to go back to Android I keep swiping the wrong way trying to remember how they do things
[08:26] <sil2100> Bluetooth is a very tricky component, not many bluez people available
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whats bluez?
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a name of a team or
[08:27] <Kiryat8> bluetooth package
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, whre is here for yoy
[08:27] <sil2100> It's the name of the package and the bluetooth stack we use
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[08:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[08:28] <Kiryat8> Kiryat Shmona Israel
[08:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Kiryat8, oh ok and same here in uk legally if going to use mobile whilst driving car hands free, but they would encourge people to stop and use a phone
[08:32] <Kiryat8> Are there instructions somewhere how to debug a Bluetooth problem? I attached the phone logs but if I could be of more help..
[11:05] <brunch875> has kernel 3.4 reached EOL? That's what utouch is using right now, isn't it?
[11:24] <greyback> brunch875: utouch uses whatever kernel the phone manufacturer ships. 3.4 is old, but I think shipped on the Nexus4, so we use it.
[11:24] <greyback> N4 is over 5 years old though
[11:27] <kaisoz> hi there
[11:33] <kaisoz> just a quick question
[11:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[11:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which is?
[11:33] <kaisoz> I've resolved a bug, did the merge proposal which has been approved by a reviewer
[11:34] <kaisoz> which is the next step? should I change the issue status to "Fix committed"?
[11:35] <kaisoz> should the reviewer do it?
[12:05] <sil2100> kaisoz: normally the bug is switched to Fix Committed when the given merge is staged for a package release
[12:06] <sil2100> kaisoz: so it's up to the person doing the release (or Bileto landing)
[12:07] <kaisoz> perfect
[12:07] <kaisoz> thank you very much sil2100
[13:16] <dobey> brunch875, greyback: well, more accurately, ubuntu on a phone/tablet uses whatever kernel version is used with the version of android that the image for that device is based on, which is typically the version of android the device shipped with.
[17:04] <inkbottle> Hi, where can I have feedback about installing "some" linux distro, on "some" originally android phone/tablet?
[17:08] <dobey> well this channel is for ubuntu, and the porting guide is linked in the topic
[17:21] <inkbottle> dobey: OK, thanks, I'll go and see this link
[23:08] <ubuntuforever100> Anyone know if the fix for network manager https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1104476 will be pulled into an ota update anytime soone?
[23:08] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1104476 in network-manager (openSUSE) "Network manager cannot connect to WPA2/PEAP/MSCHAPv2 network without CA_Certificate" [High,Confirmed]