[00:02] <caffenicohol> hey does anyone know if there's a way to install ubuntu phone on the lg v20?
[00:03] <Thete> Is there any way to do fractional scaling on a 4K display?  Say like 125%, 150%?
[00:03] <Thete> 200% is too big, 100% is too small IMO
[00:03] <yelowfish> may i request assistance on how to transition to wicd.. already installed it.but cant get it to work.im currently connected using default network manager
[00:04] <yelowfish> wicd says bad password..but im sure its correct
[00:04] <Thete> the wayland version of buntu had options like that
[00:07] <Nelluk> i have a dirt-cheap 16.04 VPS that occasionally will just completely stall for like 1-2 minutes at a time. i assume thats just a matter of 'get what you pay for' and they have too many virtual servers on each machine. but anything i should look for OS-wise to potentially speed it up?
[00:29] <daum> any idea why running $ ping google.com, ping: socket: Operation not permitted doens't appear to work for me?
[00:29] <pragmaticenigma> caffenicohol: This isn't the right channel for mobile devices... Ubuntu is no longer building a version for mobile devices at this time
[00:29] <tomreyn> !phone | caffenicohol
[00:30] <caffenicohol> pragmaticenigma, I didn't think so but i was told a couple days ago that some people are still porting it. Any recommendations for channels where i can find alternative Oses?
[00:30] <tomreyn> Thete: i dont know but try with xrandr (command line)
[00:30] <pragmaticenigma> caffenicohol: see what ubottu posted
[00:31] <caffenicohol> ah ok missed the last part, thank you
[00:31] <tomreyn> yelowfish: i never used wicd so i'm afraid i can't help. why not use network manager?
[00:31] <caffenicohol> apparently you have to be invited to get into that channel
[00:31] <yelowfish> tomreyn, having wifi issues.read that using wicd will fix it
[00:32] <pragmaticenigma> Nelluk: No, the only options you have is report the issues to your VPS vendor
[00:32] <tomreyn> !register | caffenicohol not invited, but registered:
[00:33] <tomreyn> yelowfish: which chipset + driver?
[00:33] <pragmaticenigma> caffenicohol: That happens if you are already in the channel
[00:34] <tomreyn> yelowfish: i've often seen the claim that 'wicd will fix it', but i've never seen any good reasoning why it would. it doesn't magically change chipset, drivers or firmware.
[00:34] <caffenicohol> I wasn't it just said kicked invite only channel but now when i joined it went to ubports instead so I don't know what happened
[00:34] <pragmaticenigma> caffenicohol: #ubports is the official channel of the community that is working on linux on mobile devices
[00:34] <yelowfish> tomreyn, got usb 2 adapters, realtek : r8712u & ath9k_htc  , currently on atheros : ath9k_htc
[00:35] <yelowfish> edit: got 2 pieces of usb wifi adapters
[00:36] <pragmaticenigma> yelowfish: when reading forums and other articles... when you see "will fix it" without any explination on how or why, it's someone that doesn't know what they are doing and the fixing part may have been a side effect of their actions, not the solution
[00:36] <yelowfish> pragmaticenigma, noted
[00:37] <yelowfish> i guess i have to stick with the default then :(
[00:37] <tomreyn> yelowfish: which ubuntu version + kernel? lsb_release -ds && cat /proc/version
[00:37] <yelowfish> Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS
[00:37] <yelowfish> Linux version 4.15.0-38-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-023) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.10)) #41~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 10 20:16:04 UTC 2018
[00:38] <tomreyn> yelowfish: ok. abive you listed wireless modules but not the chipsets. which chipsets do you have there?
[00:39] <tomreyn> sudo update-pciids; sudo update-usbids; pastebinit <( lsusb; lspci -nn;)
[00:41] <yelowfish> is this the command?  sudo lshw -C network > product ?
[00:42] <tomreyn> yelowfish: i'm not sure whether lshw would print it in the right format. i posted a series of commands above.
[00:42] <yelowfish> i see.1 moment
[00:43] <tomreyn> lshw does not print vendor / device id's in this format,
[00:44] <yelowfish> tomreyn, pastebinit <( lsusb; lspci -nn  --> no output,did i get it right?
[00:44] <tomreyn> yelowfish: your command is cut off
[00:44] <yelowfish> or should i use them at once at the same time?
[00:45] <tomreyn> yelowfish: yo can post the full line to the temrinal
[00:45] <tomreyn> this would also work: sudo lshw -C network -numeric | pastebinit
[00:45] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | yelowfish in case you dont have pastebinit installed, yet
[00:47] <yelowfish> just installed pastebinit. it wont hurt if i try it again the 3rd time?
[00:48] <tomreyn> yelowfish: doesnt hurt
[00:48] <yelowfish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tWwYwmW7Bq/
[00:53] <tomreyn> yelowfish: so we'Re talking abotu this: Wireless: Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR9271 802.11n, [0cf3:9271]
[00:53] <yelowfish> thank you everyone.i appreciate the effort very much.this issue has been going for quite awhile
[00:54] <yelowfish> tomreyn, yes and the other realtek as well
[00:54] <tomreyn> the ethernet one?
[00:54] <yelowfish> its not connected,so it didt show up on the pastebin
[00:55] <yelowfish> its not connected * physically on the usb port,so it didt show up on the pastebin
[00:56] <tomreyn> yelowfish: oh, maybe connect it then and re-run the command (or part of it, i'll post it next) so we can look that one up as well?
[00:57] <yelowfish> k.brb
[00:57] <tomreyn> actually this will be fine: sudo lshw -C network -numeric | pastebinit
[00:58] <yelowfish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FZVJN7GhnF/
[01:00] <tomreyn> yelowfish: hmm that didnt work since it's not enabled, i guess. let's try the other command again: pastebinit <( lsusb; lspci -nn;)
[01:01] <yelowfish> k.brb
[01:02] <yelowfish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sqSfG4xRjP/
[01:05] <tomreyn> Wireless: Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter, [0bda:8171], modules: r8712u, firmware:?
[01:09] <tomreyn> yelowfish: can you run this: pastebinit <(echo '[ath9k_htc]';modinfo -p ath9k_htc;echo;echo '[r8712u]';modinfo -p r8712u;)
[01:19] <yelowfish> what did i miss ?
 Wireless: Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter, [0bda:8171], modules: r8712u, firmware:?
 yelowfish: can you run this: pastebinit <(echo '[ath9k_htc]';modinfo -p ath9k_htc;echo;echo '[r8712u]';modinfo -p r8712u;)
[01:20] <tomreyn> also please tell me for each of these chipsets what the issue is with them.
[01:20] <yelowfish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mQS6hsTXW3/
[01:22] <tomreyn> yelowfish: please type my name here to get my attention.
[01:22] <tomreyn> yelowfish: << like so
[01:23] <yelowfish> for both : i get no buffer space available during ping after a period of time connected... signal is very good but cant connect.. realtek was fast downloading,not its the atheros,ideally it should be the realtek coz its highpowered
[01:23] <yelowfish> tomreyn, noted
[01:24] <yelowfish> tomreyn, * realtek was fast downloading,but noW its the atheros
[01:25] <tomreyn> yelowfish: both devices / chipsets report the very same error message?
[01:25] <yelowfish> tomreyn, they dont autoconnect, even when there is a good signal
[01:26] <tomreyn> i see, so network manager shows them as not connected, right?
[01:26] <tomreyn> or does it show them as connected but no data flows?
[01:26] <yelowfish> tomreyn, error msg during ping is : no buffer space available,even when i set the buffer to ulimit -s 10240
[01:26] <tomreyn> "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available" seems to be the actual error message
[01:27] <yelowfish> yes thats d actual ayt
[01:27] <yelowfish> sometimes : does it show them as connected but no data flows
[01:29] <yelowfish> yes,when i try to connect,it always ask for the password,then i type it.then it ask again,until i just unplug/plug,restart net mngr. or even reboot  :network manager shows them as not connected
[01:30] <tomreyn> ulimit -s sets the maximum stack size processes may allocate, that's not what you want to change there.
[01:30] <yelowfish> usually i just replug,but lately its not working as well : ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available
[01:31] <tomreyn> do you usually power your computer off when you leave it for longer, or just suspend?
[01:32] <yelowfish> leave it open + screensaver
[01:33] <tomreyn> so it never goes into suspend?
[01:33] <yelowfish> never
[01:33] <tomreyn> what's your uptime now? run: uptime
[01:34] <yelowfish> i just opened it this morning.coz lastnight cannot connect
[01:34] <yelowfish> 09:34:22 up  3:22,  1 user,  load average: 1.30, 1.06, 1.40
[01:35] <tomreyn> ok
[01:36] <yelowfish> brb
[01:38] <tomreyn> "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available" is usually symptomatic for a driver, firmware or hardware bug. https://askubuntu.com/questions/210451/what-does-ping-sendmsg-no-buffer-space-available-mean
[01:39] <tomreyn> you can run "cat /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max" to get the current 'receive socket memory' allocation which this message claims is too low. but this message is probably a red herring.
[01:42] <sappheiros> Is there a command to compare two strings for equality?
[01:42] <sappheiros> (e.g. for checking md5sum with what's on a webpage)
[01:43] <tomreyn> yelowfish: ony my ubuntu 18.04 system it's set to 212992 which is, i think, 208 kilobytes. the value given in the askubuntu post, 83886080, would be 80 megabytes, so a LOT more. maybe try something in between instead, like 6 MB=6291456
[01:44] <tomreyn> sappheiros: you can write them to a file and run cmp or diff on them
[01:45] <tomreyn> alternatively, 'test' can do string comparison
[01:45] <tomreyn> also numeric comparinon
[01:45] <tomreyn> *comparison
[01:45] <yelowfish> tomreyn,  back.. already read this : symptomatic for a driver, firmware or hardware bug .. hardware replacement is my last option,i need to exhaust the fix for driver and firmware
[01:46] <sappheiros> tomreyn, okay, thank you. i will try 'man cmp' and 'man diff' to learn more
[01:46] <tomreyn> yelowfish: i don't understand why you mean by "i need to exhaust the fix for driver and firmware"
[01:47] <yelowfish> cat /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max  gave: 212992 ,, how can i set it to 6mb?
[01:48] <yelowfish> rephrase: i must use all possible solutions for drivers and firmware,before i get a 3rd wifi adapter i meani need to exhaust the fix for driver and firmware
[01:49] <kyle__> Is there documentation for how the installer makes the bootloader propmt for luks-passphrases on boot?
[01:49] <kyle__> If I encrypt root & /home (seperate drives) when I install, the bootloader propmts for the unlock key.  If I just manually encrypt a new drive for /home, it doesn't, and has to be manually unlocked/mounted.
[01:49] <kyle__> :/
[01:50] <yelowfish> tomreyn,  rephrase: i must use all possible solutions for drivers and firmware,before i get a 3rd wifi adapter i mean -- i need to exhaust the fix for driver and firmware
[01:51] <tomreyn> sappheiros: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bCTvZCmNCG/
[01:51] <tomreyn> yelowfish: i understand now, thanks-
[01:52] <tomreyn> yelowfish: echo 6291456 |sudo tee /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max
[01:53] <tomreyn> yelowfish: this will only apply until next reboot.
[01:53] <yelowfish> is it also permanent?
[01:54] <kyle__> yelowfish: you can set and view it with sysctl.  Or by poking in the /proc/sys tree.  To make it permentant, you make a file in /etc/sysctl.d/
[01:56] <kyle__> To get an idea of how many of these knobs you've got to play with, run sudo sysctl -a|wc -l
[01:56] <kyle__> Every one of those 900 or so lines counted is a tunable.
[01:56] <yelowfish> kyle__, that i need to research
[01:56]  * kyle__ nods nods nods
[01:56] <tomreyn> to make it permanent you'd need to: echo 'net.core.wmem_max = 6291456' |sudo tee /etc/sysctl.d/20-net_core.conf
[01:57] <kyle__> It really pays off to read up on them, and to learn what they do.  Some you'll probably never need.  Some will save your bacon :)
[01:57] <yelowfish> kyle__, agree
[01:57] <tomreyn> yelowfish: but be aware that this would apply to all sockets, so changing this is not really great since it will have side effects
[01:58] <yelowfish> tomreyn, ill just opt for temporary and see if it has an effect
[02:00] <yelowfish> anything else should i consider before buying another 1 ?
[02:00] <tomreyn> yelowfish: i suspect the effect will be that it will take longer, couting from a reboot, until the error first occurs, bhut it will still occur.
[02:01] <yelowfish> i see
[02:02] <tomreyn> yelowfish: while it's most likely that this is a result of a broken wireless nic (or firmware, or driver, but i guess not since i can't find a lot of reports about this error with these chipsets), it could also be the result of some other hardware defect, such as broken ram, mainboard etc.
[02:02] <tomreyn> so you could do a memory test at night so it doesn't really get in your way.
[02:03] <tomreyn> or you buy the new wireless dongle and if this fails the same way you'll know it's some other hardware (not a great way to learn this, i admit)
[02:04] <yelowfish> i also read if there is too many  traffic in the router.i opted capping the download by using trickle,but ubuntu wont follow the settings of trickle
[02:05] <tomreyn> yelowfish: you could also check for a mainboard firmware (BIOS/UEFI) upgrade. you never know what they help with, but they usually fix things rather than break some, and if you haven't installed one for a long time then it's a good idea to do so since there are also important security patchesin there.
[02:06] <yelowfish> agree,the costliest is my last option : not a great way to learn this, i admit
[02:06] <tomreyn> trickle works on a single application only, not system wide.
[02:06] <tomreyn> you'd need to configure QOS for that.
[02:06] <tomreyn> (bandwidth shaping)
[02:06] <yelowfish> noted
[02:07] <tomreyn> before you make the systcl change permanent, try it temporarily with the high value.
[02:07] <yelowfish> will do
[02:07] <tomreyn> also delete all your profiles off netrwork manager and recreate them.
[02:07] <tomreyn> this can help with the issue where it's not automatically connecting
[02:07] <yelowfish> that i did alot already
[02:08] <tomreyn> use nmcli for this
[02:08] <tomreyn> not everything is exposed on the GUI
[02:08] <yelowfish> noted
[02:09] <tomreyn> and keep a terminal window open where oyu run "dmesg -w"
[02:09] <tomreyn> especially when you change things. this is where the kernel logs to
[02:10] <yelowfish> i wonder if i can combine this dmesg -w with the ping window
[02:10] <tomreyn> oh so you run ping yourself?
[02:11] <tomreyn> i was thinking this was something the driver would dump to syslog.
[02:12] <tomreyn> if you run ping yourself then these sysctl changes wont be useful, and the error message ping returns is just a result of the network connection failing.
[02:12] <yelowfish> i do ping google in the background.coz the radar wifi symbol in the unity bar is not reliable
[02:13] <tomreyn> so actually you have two very different wireless chisets which show the same erratic behaviour. in this case it's actually most likely that there is an issue with the other end.
[02:13] <tomreyn> the wireless access point.
[02:14] <yelowfish> hmm
[02:15] <tomreyn> the only way i can imagine that the hardware on your end is buggy then is a memory issue (so do run the memtest) or that your computer giot hit by a flash or other overvoltage while both chips were connected
[02:16] <yelowfish> i see.i include that in the list
[02:16] <tomreyn> if you have another computer, try cross-testing with it, i.e. connect the wireless dongles there instead, and connect to the same access point. see if you get the same symptoms
[02:16] <tomreyn> (maybe have a friend come over to your place and have them test)
[02:17] <yelowfish> what is the ideal when running memtest? ie: no applications running in the background?
[02:17] <tomreyn> you can also test on your computer with a different OS (*bsd, windows etc.), see if it's stable there
[02:17] <tomreyn> the idea with running memtest is to see whether you have broken memory chips.
[02:17] <tomreyn> dimms
[02:18] <tomreyn> they are where the socket buffers are written to. if they fail to store the data properly this would be a possible result.
[02:18] <yelowfish> ok
[02:18] <tomreyn> (but you would likely note other side effects, too, then)
[02:19] <tomreyn> still, the memtest is simple and cheap.
[02:20] <tomreyn> yelowfish: you just install the memtest86+ package and make sure the os-prober package is also installed and then reboot, hold left shift key down, which brings up the grub menu, and there the last option in 'advanced' should be the memtest.
[02:23] <tomreyn> should look roughly like this https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/xsshot169.png.pagespeed.gp+jp+jw+pj+ws+js+rj+rp+rw+ri+cp+md.ic.paF5jeRgbM.png
[02:26] <yelowfish> will do
[02:26] <tomreyn> yelowfish: the memtest looks like this: https://raid6.com.au/~onlyjob/images/memtest_badRAM.jpg you should not have any red lines. keep it running until it says pass: 100% at the top right.
[02:26] <tomreyn> this will take many hours.
[02:26] <yelowfish> can i just start now and run it in the background
[02:27] <tomreyn> no, it's an operating system itself, you can only boot into it, and not run anything else.
[02:27] <yelowfish> ayt
[02:28] <yelowfish> i guess thats all for now
[02:29] <tomreyn> right, good luck there
[02:30] <yelowfish> btw,whats the command to see after a reboot to show the cause of a frozen system?
[02:31] <tomreyn> if linux was able to write something to disk before it froze, it's "less /var/log/syslog"
[02:31] <yelowfish> copy that
[02:31] <tomreyn> so your system freezes often?
[02:32] <yelowfish> not really
[02:32] <tomreyn> more like once a week?
[02:32] <yelowfish> im suspecting it coincides with the no buffer space..
[02:33] <yelowfish> near to 1x a week
[02:33] <tomreyn> hmm okay that's way too often.
[02:33] <yelowfish> tsk tsk
[02:33] <tomreyn> suggests hardware issues indeed.
[02:34] <tomreyn> keep dmesg -w running, note down what looks like related errors.
[02:34] <tomreyn> and do the memtest
[02:34] <tomreyn> and check syslog after freezes.
[02:35] <yelowfish> ayt.when it freeze,i only hear the hdd.it seems very busy
[02:35] <tomreyn> you can also do this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging
[02:35] <yelowfish> noted
[02:35] <tomreyn> then it probably doesn'T freeze fully
[02:36] <tomreyn> you should shut it down using magic sysrq when this happens
[02:36] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[02:36] <tomreyn> this increases your chances of finding useful info on syslog after reboot
[02:36] <yelowfish> when its frozen,it seems it still working,but its not responsive coz all the ram cpu etc has been utilize
[02:36] <tomreyn> + data loss is less likely
[02:37] <yelowfish> i usually use the alt prtscr reisub
[02:37] <tomreyn> maybe you just have a problem with a process which leaks memory there and fills up your ram, and then the system starts swapping and killing processes, including X
[02:40] <yelowfish> does the altprtscr reisub method not harmful? coz i do a forcefck afterwards or no need for forcefck afterwards?
[02:43] <tomreyn> the s in reisub does a 'sync', it writes the disk write buffer to the disk, so everyyhting that should have been written has been written. if the file system is still dirty after this, then the dirty bit is still set on file systems that support the dirty bit (ext2, ext4, ext and most other journalling file systems, too) and if you have pass 1 + 2 set for these file systems in /etc/fstab they will be checked for errors automatically at boot
[02:44] <yelowfish> ayt.GTG.TYVM. :)
[02:44] <tomreyn> run "man fstab", scroll to the last screen page, and read up on "The sixth field (fs_passno)" to understand how this works.
[02:45] <tomreyn> unfortunately some ubuntu installers were not setting thises values correctly, so it's good to verify this.
[02:45] <yelowfish> noted
[02:45] <tomreyn> ttyl
[04:54] <Randolf> How can I disable just one wireless adapter when I have two in my system?  It seems that Ubuntu Linux 18 LTS has the button for turning one adapter off, but then it always turns both off.
[05:15] <genewitch> What packages do i need to instal to use a (USB) tethered android phone for internet access?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> Randolf: cant you disable one in bios?
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> genewitch: is this what you need? http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/04/create-wifi-hotspot-ubuntu-16-04-android-supported/
[05:29] <KdeKris> Anyone know why an older wifi card in an old laptop won't turn on? rfkill list shows it is NOT soft blocked, but it IS hard blocked. However, the hardware function key to turn it on isn't working.
[05:30] <KdeKris> Maybe wrong drivers?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: does it show a driver active?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: sudo lshw -C network to check
[05:30] <KdeKris> Bad kernel module?
[05:32] <KdeKris> Shows wireless network as DISABLED, but the driver is rt2800pci and the correct product listed
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: wich kernel are you on mate?
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: ralink is pretty picky about kernel versions
[05:34] <KdeKris> 4.15.0-38-generic
[05:34] <KdeKris> Fresh install of Xubuntu 18.04
[05:34] <KdeKris> gcc version 7.3.0-16ubuntu3
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> sounds good KdeKris
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: did you notice any settings for your wifi in bios?
[05:35] <KdeKris> I looked for them yesterday, there aren't any. This is a Compaq Presario cq57...old stinkin laptop
[05:36] <KdeKris> wireless card is RT5390 if that helps
[05:36] <KdeKris> Hardware switch for wireless is the f12 key, and it toggles the soft lock in rfkill, but not the hard lock
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: you dont see any wifi switch at the side somewhere?
[05:37] <KdeKris> there isn't one other than the f12 key
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: lets dig in your syslog
[05:38] <KdeKris> ok
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: can you from terminal: tail -f /var/log/syslog and disable wifi and enable again?
[05:41] <KdeKris> https://pastebin.com/U1z2AL6X
[05:43] <Kyros> did you try unblocking it with rfkill
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: hmm i dont see relevant wifi errors yet there
[05:43] <KdeKris> I did, "rfkill unlock all". No affect
[05:43] <Kyros> try sudo rfkill unblock wifi
[05:44] <KdeKris> https://pastebin.com/NpcBX257 I think I fat fingered the last syslog. Here's more accurate one.
[05:44] <Muimi> Is there a free PDF editor that doesn't add watermarks or anything to docs?
[05:45] <KdeKris> Kyros, still no change
[05:45] <Kyros> well that was my only idea
[05:45] <Kyros> bed time for me, nn
[05:45] <Muimi> KdeKris: repost the issue :P
[05:46] <KdeKris> It was a good idea. Maybe sleep will produce more.lol
[05:47] <KdeKris> Muimi, the laptop that I just installed xubuntu 18.04 on yesterday will not allow me to turn on wifi. rfkill list shows that it's hard blocked, but the hardware toggle key, only toggles the soft block state. I can't get the hard block off in order to connect to wifi.
[05:48] <Muimi> oh.  I had that problem, too.
[05:48] <Muimi> I think I needed to do a hardware-specific solution.
[05:49] <Muimi> hmm.  Anyway, I'd keep asking because I got support here or at #linux
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> !pdf
[05:50] <Muimi> lotuspsychje: my issue is resolevd.  thank you.
[05:50] <kalikatz> is the "online accounts" working?   I added my owncloud server to which it was happy to show me a green checkbox. the fan sped up and laptop running hot for 10 mins.  I removed the account settings and rebooted.  Is this normal? Do I give it more time?  Anyone can assure me this is normal?
[05:51] <aniru> I upgraded from 14.04 to 18.04 . In nautilus typing a letter starts search (even without ctrl+f). Howto disable this?
[05:51] <kalikatz> to add.   earlier i installed the desktop client for owncloud. and pointed to my old folder to wich has been resynced and happy
[05:51] <aniru> I want nautlus to search only when I do ctrl+f, not otherwise
[05:52] <kalikatz> kubuntu 18.04
[05:53] <KdeKris> Muimi, sorry for the delay, Had to make coffee. I'm getting more and more confident that it's a hardware specific solution. Do you remember what you did? Or how long ago it was? If you remember the date, I'll just cruise through #linux logs and find it.lol
[05:56] <KdeKris> Oh, also, Muimi, idk if you need this feature or not, but Master PDF Editor is free and has the ability to digitally sign a pdf using a CAC.
[05:56] <KdeKris> It's not in the repos though, you'll have to download the .deb from their website.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: i reccomend playing with kernels on ralink chipsets
[05:59] <KdeKris> Any suggestions where to start?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: try some different kernels, share your full syslog
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: could be like another ubuntu version with an older kernel, or !mainline newer kernel
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> aniru: you can disable nautilus file indexing in system settings
[06:03] <KdeKris> full syslog is here https://pastebin.com/3K90W3Yk
[06:03] <KdeKris> I tried a few others like puppy, bodhi and linux lite, same issue on those as well
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> KdeKris: there are some latest githubs too with newer ralink drivers you culd test
[06:06] <KdeKris> I'll start at the drivers then.
[06:06] <KdeKris> I'd rather not do any kernel stuff if I don't have to. I mean, I can, I just don't want to.lol
[06:45] <Randolf> lotuspsychje: I'll take a look at the BIOS.  That's a great idea.  It would be nice if I could just disable it from the OS though too.
[06:45] <Randolf> Thanks.
[06:49] <cim209> why doesn't kernel.ubuntu.com have SSL
[06:57] <dbugger> I think I have dependencies broken in my system... can anyone tell me how to solve this? https://www.hastebin.com/tuwexuzobu.bash
[06:57] <dbugger> I forgot to say "please" :(
[07:01] <Kon-> dbugger: Could you use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[07:02] <dbugger> Kon-, sure. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5MQJG7FV3y/
[07:38] <[twisti]> when trying to uninstall old kernel stuff, i get this error: rmdir: failed to remove '/lib/modules/4.15.0-36-generic': Directory not empty
[07:38] <[twisti]> what can i do about that ?
[07:38] <[twisti]> i tried doing it with apt purge
[07:45] <brondif> twisti:rmdir only works for empty directories,you have to add  recursiv or forced.
[07:46] <[twisti]> brondif: how do i add recursive or forced to apt ? and how do i rerun whichever part of apt caused that ?
[07:46] <brondif> lock the man pages!
[07:47] <[twisti]> neither the word 'force' nor the word 'recursive' are in the apt man page
[07:48] <brondif> twisti :apt remove or rmdir
[07:49] <[twisti]> what do i apt remove ? the package is already gone
[07:49] <[twisti]> im trying to find a proper fix to what happened during the uninstall process, not manually delete a folder and pray thats the only thing that went wrong and that the reason it went wrong was unimportant
[07:56] <ppf> after my cosmic upgrade the gnome terminal has a weird whiteish boxy look and a misaligned scrollbar
[07:56] <ppf> :(
[07:57] <ppf> how do i configure the theme?
[07:57] <ppf> i'm fine with the colors, but the scollbar gives me a nerveous eye twich
[08:13] <leonardus> Is there a way to change this from purple to something else? https://i.imgur.com/6253T0K.png
[08:14] <Senoraraton> I'm stuck in a login loop.  I tried Google, but couldn't figure it out.  I am running lubuntu 18.04
[08:14] <mooses> Okay, I am super stuck.  Ubuntu 16.04.  I need vlc >3.0+ - but I also need to use syncplay, which means the 'snap' version of VLC is not an option.
[08:15] <mooses> Tried step two here - https://websiteforstudents.com/vlc-3-0-recently-released-and-heres-how-to-install-it-on-ubuntu-16-04-17-10-desktops/
[08:15] <mooses> That would work, but also that would allow no chromecast support
[08:16] <mooses> Kinda driving me crazy there's no way to get a fully functional vlc 3.0+ on 16.04 without snap nonsense
[08:17] <ppf> mooses: https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-sources.html
[08:17] <mooses> ppf: so basically build from source is my only option?
[08:18] <ppf> yes, if you don't like the binary distributions you need to build yourself
[08:18] <mooses> ppf: Highly worried about that - I'm imagining it's going to need gigs of stuff + special flags to have chromecast support :(
[08:18] <mooses> there's gotta be a better way
[08:19] <ppf> !info vlc
[08:19] <ppf> upgrade your ubuntu
[08:19] <mooses> yeah, that's not an option - it's running in a crouton chroot and i'm not sure that is a thing
[08:19] <mooses> I guess I can try
[08:19] <mooses> sudo apt dist-update?
[08:20] <ppf> do-release-upgrade
[08:20] <mooses> let's see what happens
[08:20] <ppf> your on xenial?
[08:20] <mooses> yup
[08:20] <ppf> !info vlc bionic
[08:20] <mooses> I'd rather stick with xenail and see if there is a way to like... backport it?
[08:20] <mooses> !info vlc xenian
[08:20] <mooses> !info vlc xenial
[08:20] <ppf> then an lts upgrade should take you here
[08:20] <nisankhindia> mooses: if you want the recent updates of VLC media player than get their nightly updates ( daily update ) from VideoLAN team using their PPA
[08:21] <nisankhindia> mooses: https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/master-daily
[08:22] <mooses> nisankhindia: ooo, nice
[08:22] <mooses> nisankhindia: add the repo, apt update, and then just apt install vlc?
[08:23] <nisankhindia> mooses: VideoLAN Team provides two updates using PPA , stable and Daily master update , Stable one can be recieved using main repo of ubuntu but you may get daily updates from their PPA , details https://launchpad.net/~videolan
[08:23] <nisankhindia> mooses: details are in their PPA page
[08:23] <mooses> nisankhindia: dang it, i added the master-daily
[08:24] <mooses> when I assume I want the stable
[08:24] <mooses> how do I remove the daily PPA and go to stable?
[08:24] <nisankhindia> mooses: adding PPA and removing PPA is available in ubuntu doc
[08:25] <nisankhindia> mooses: do some search over ubuntu help for PPA . good luck
[08:25] <EriC^^> !ppa-purge | mooses
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[08:26] <mooses> nisankhindia: thanks
[08:26] <nisankhindia> mooses: You can also remove the PPA using the same command with --remove tag
[08:26] <mooses> EriC^^: perfect, just a simple -r or --remove
[08:26] <mooses> thanks you two :P
[08:26] <nisankhindia> mooses: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/master-daily : This to add , and -- sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:videolan/master-daily
[08:26] <EriC^^> the -r would just remove the ppa, not the actual packages though (or deps)
[08:26] <mooses> sorry to be lazy, been in gentoo land for years, getting back to apt is taking me some brain power
[08:27] <mooses> EriC^^: *nods* I didn't install anything from the PPA, so just removing it should have taken care of things
[08:27] <EriC^^> ah ok cool
[08:29] <nisankhindia> mooses: try to build packages from source in case you want them ( in case you are unable to get the latest one using ubuntu main repo , here main means not that main , it means all the repos that ubuntu provides as multiverse , main ,update etc )
[08:29] <leonardus> How do I undo these commands? https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/87m7xh/tip_dont_like_the_purple_gdm_login_screen_you_can/
[08:29] <nisankhindia> mooses: avoid ppa as much as you can
[08:30] <mooses> problem with building from source - this install is very limited on space, and installing all the needed deps and build utils is going to suck
[08:31] <mooses> hoping the master-daily ppa will help me
[08:31] <mooses> we'll see in a moment ;P
[08:32] <nisankhindia> mooses: that helps not to worry ... but you have to remember if you get the package using PPA than you should remember all the future bugs related to VLC have to reported to PPA maintainer , not to ubuntu
[08:33] <mooses> nisankhindia: gotcha
[08:33] <mooses> Hopefully this will give me what I need, VLC 3.0+, not in a snap, with chromecast support
[08:34] <mooses> it would be easier if I did not need syncplay :P
[08:41] <mooses> dang it
[08:41] <mooses> master-daily just gave me 2.2
[08:42] <nisankhindia> mooses: wait
[08:43] <nisankhindia> mooses: whats your distribution code name ??
[08:43] <mooses> nisankhindia: how to check
[08:43] <nisankhindia> mooses: is it xenial ( 16.04 )
[08:43] <mooses> yes
[08:44] <nisankhindia> mooses: after adding the PPA , run command sudo apt update
[08:44] <mooses> I did :(
[08:44] <mooses> it pulled 2.2 from that repo :(
[08:44] <nisankhindia> mooses: screenshot could be helpful
[08:45] <mooses> nisankhindia: let me start over and include screencaps this time
[08:45] <mooses> removing vlc, removing the ppa, starting from ground up
[08:45] <gabmus[m]> hello people. I just installed ubuntu server 18.04 in a vm, choosing to install docker from the installation menu. turns out it installed as a snap, will this cause any issues?
[08:46] <gabmus[m]> also, i'm fairly new to docker, does it use virtualbox as a backend? I tought it was using something like kvm or lxc
[08:47] <nisankhindia> mooses: remove that package and PPA for now . use a Backport release of VLC 3.0 . as you wish to have that using this method
[08:49] <nisankhindia> mooses: it would be good if you get that using the source but for now use the backport release of VLC 3.0 using sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jonathonf/vlc-3 . remember the other step , to remove PPA only and the PPA + package
[08:51] <mooses> nisankhindia: something went wrong in the last stop
[08:51] <mooses> step*
[08:51] <mooses> does this help?
[08:51] <mooses> https://pastebin.com/veXN01yk
[08:51] <nisankhindia> mooses: You can revert back to stock version of VLC (2.2.2) in Ubuntu 16.04 by purging the PPA via command:  sudo apt-get install ppa-purge && sudo ppa-purge ppa:jonathonf/vlc-3
[08:52] <mooses> nisankhindia: the jonathonf one is no good, no chromecast support
[08:52] <mooses> this is literally so frustrating that a LTS version insists on using such a outdated vlc :(
[08:52] <nisankhindia> remove the PPA for now . let me check with VLC team for your solution . what they suggest . give me few moments
[08:53] <mooses> thanks!
[08:53] <henk717> Someone mistakenly closed a bug report as 'Won't Fix' because it was filed under 17.10. The bug report also contains users including myself who experience this on 18.04 and 18.10 is likely also effected. What is a good way to get it re-opened?
[08:53] <nisankhindia> Mooses: if i can get reply for now
[08:54] <nisankhindia> mooses: according to VLC reply ( i think its automated ) they suggest to use snap .
[08:55] <nisankhindia> mooses: for your ditsribution release
[08:55] <mooses> nisankhindia: not an option, snap is broken and does not support overlays
[08:56] <mooses> nisankhindia: cannot get the combo I need that way (vlc 3.0+, chromecast support, syncplay)
[08:56] <mooses> also this is super weird
[08:56] <mooses> removed vlc
[08:56] <mooses> removed the repos
[08:56] <mooses> yet
[08:56] <mooses> (xenial)mouses@localhost:~$ vlc
[08:56] <mooses> VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80)
[08:57] <nisankhindia> mooses: i need more time to get the latest one as you want .. looking for any possible backport of the VLC github repo wait
[08:57] <jink> Heh.
[08:57] <jink> That silence happens automatically.
[08:57] <jink> Probably because you pasted 2 lines.
[08:57] <mooses> hehehe thanks, sorry about that
[08:58] <jink> I didn't do anything. :P
[08:58] <mooses> anyway, after removing vlc and purging the PPA...
[08:58] <mooses> $ vlc shows -VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80)
[08:58] <mooses> what the heck
[08:59] <mooses> 'package vlc is not installed'
[08:59] <mooses> $ vlc
[09:00] <mooses> VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80)
[09:01] <TimeDoctor> videolan might be the name of the package
[09:01] <mooses> ooo, thanks
[09:01] <TimeDoctor> or vlc-client or something
[09:01] <mooses> E: Unable to locate package videolan
[09:01] <mooses> trying vlc-client
[09:02] <TimeDoctor> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=vlc&searchon=names&suite=bionic&section=all
[09:02] <henk717> dpkg -S $(which vlc)
[09:02] <henk717> In my case its vlc-bin
[09:03] <mooses> it was vlc-nox
[09:03] <henk717> Is it succesfully removed after removing  vlc-nox?
[09:03] <mooses> yup!
[09:03] <mooses> $vlc
[09:04] <mooses> not found
[09:04] <mooses> so I'm thinking now add the PPA, update, install
[09:04] <mooses> and I might be okay
[09:04] <henk717> What was your initial issue?
[09:04] <nisankhindia> mooses: using the VLC team PPA
[09:05] <mooses> henk717: need VLC 3.0+ on 16.04 without snap
[09:05] <mooses> and with chromecast support
[09:05] <nisankhindia> mooses: you will get the daily build . here it is working
[09:05] <henk717> I see
[09:05] <mooses> nisankhindia: going to do this:
[09:05] <mooses> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/master-daily
[09:05] <mooses> nisankhindia: and then a sudo apt update
[09:05] <mooses> and then a sudo apt install vlc
[09:05] <mooses> sound right?
[09:06] <nisankhindia> mooses: that is the mentioned by VideoLAN team too
[09:06] <mooses> Okay, let's see what happens.
[09:07] <mooses> ugh
[09:07] <mooses> it still wants to install vlc-nox
[09:07] <mooses> whatever the heck that is
[09:07] <nisankhindia> mooses: sudo apt install vlc --classic
[09:08] <mooses> E: Command line option --classic is not understood in combination with the other options
[09:08] <henk717> sudo apt update?
[09:09] <mooses> henk717: of course, already done
[09:09] <henk717> Ill try do the same thing on 18.04, i never use VLC anyway ;)
[09:09] <nisankhindia> mooses: in this case i would suggest you you should do a release update for your ubuntu
[09:10] <mooses> nisankhindia: not sure that will work in the env I am in, but it's worth a shot I guess
[09:10] <nisankhindia> mooses: give a start to move to ubuntu 18.04
[09:10] <mooses> it's a fresh install so it's not like I will lose data
[09:10] <mooses> sudo apt dist-update ?
[09:10] <mooses> or something like that?
[09:10] <mooses> pretty sure that will break all things though :(
[09:11] <henk717> Always do that with sudo do-release-upgrade , its not risk free indeed
[09:11] <mooses> yup, let's see, no real risk as it's a fresh install anyway
[09:11] <mooses> not like I will lose data
[09:11] <nisankhindia> mooses: Usage: do-release-upgrade [options]  Options:   -h, --help            show this help message and exit   -V, --version         Show version and exit   -d, --devel-release   If using the latest supported release, upgrade to the                         development release   --data-dir=DATA_DIR   Directory that contains the data files   -p, --proposed        Try upgrading to the latest release using the upgrader
[09:12] <nisankhindia> mooses: just use sudo do-release-upgrade [Option]
[09:12] <henk717> The PPA contains no VLC for Xenial
[09:12] <mooses> sudo: do-release-upgrade: command not found
[09:13] <henk717> sudo apt install update-manager-core
[09:14] <henk717> s possible something goes wrong
[09:14] <henk717> Always make a backup before hand, its always possible something goes wrong *
[09:14] <mooses> yup, got it
[09:14] <mooses> no big deal if things go wrong
[09:15] <mooses> it's a chroot running under ChromeOS on a external drive
[09:15] <mooses> worst case I format the drive and start all over
[09:15] <mooses> update seems to be going fine <3
[09:16] <mooses> someone tell the VideoLAN team that I love them but the 'snap only' option for 16.04 is a hot mess and depressing :(
[09:16] <TimeDoctor> isn't 16.04 unsupported at this point?
[09:17] <mooses> nope
[09:17] <TimeDoctor> it makes sense that they'd want to drop support for older distros
[09:17] <TimeDoctor> since the distro maintainer is usually the one that chooses what versions of packages to carry
[09:17] <TimeDoctor> otherwise it's a ppa
[09:17] <mooses> TimeDoctor: it's LTS.  Support ends in April of 2021.
[09:18] <mooses> But, if moving to 18.04 is possible/works in my use case scenario, i'm all in :P
[09:18] <nisankhindia> mooses: VideoLAN contact ( good for question / answer and discussion ) https://forum.videolan.org/
[09:19] <mooses> nisankhindia: thanks!  Looks like other crouton users are reporting this update works just fine
[09:20] <nisankhindia> mooses: after upgrading to 18.04 , enable the ubuntu proposed repo and get vlc_3.0.4
[09:21] <mooses> nisankhindia: gotcha.  After updating to 18.04 my defaut repo version should be 3.0+ though, right?
[09:21] <mooses> or will I still need to add a PPA?
[09:22] <nisankhindia> mooses: no need to add PPA , proposed will give you 3.0.4,  universe = 3.0.1 , update = 3.0.3 etc
[09:22] <mooses> perfect!
[09:22] <mooses> Let's cross our fingers and hope :P
[09:22] <mooses> this update will take a while, it's a little 4.0 GB usb stick running usb 2.0 on a chromebook
[09:30] <KdeKris> How do I enable non-free drivers in 18.04? It doesn't appear to have a non-free option in sources or linux-firmware-nonfree as a package candidate.
[09:34] <henk717> KdeKris: If you wish to just use the default selection you can use sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[09:34] <henk717> Depending on your Ubuntu flavor there will be different graphical options as well
[09:40] <KdeKris> xubuntu.
[09:41] <KdeKris> Also, this is specifically for a ralink pcie wireless adapter that doesn't seem to want to turn on.
[09:46] <leonardus> How do I revert this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/87m7xh/tip_dont_like_the_purple_gdm_login_screen_you_can/
[09:50] <dreugeworst> Hi all, I've installed vsftpd with guest access, and configured it to allow guests to upload. It seems guests have the ftp user, so I created a subfolder (files) owned by ftp for guests to upload to. The uploading seems to work fine, but uploaded files in subfolders aren't listed, and files directly under the files subfolder can't be downloaded. Anyone know what might be happening?
[10:37] <avu> dreugeworst: are you really sure you want to run an FTP server that allows anonymous uploads and then allows anonymous users to download those files again? That's how you get abused by the warez crowd. :)
[11:07] <hiig> Anyone free to assist? Trying do-release-upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10. Getting the unresolvable problem message. Getting the following Broken lines from /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log: https://pastebin.com/2qiKZUQn
[11:11] <solsTiCe> hiig: I have those too. Never thgouht to look at that file after upgrade
[11:12] <solsTiCe> some comes from audacious that I installed from a ppa
[11:16] <solsTiCe> hiig: fwupdate-signed does not exist anymore in 18.10 and so do libdns1100. libedata-cal-1.2-29 is installed fine here
[11:21] <hollusion> how do i "zip -r /home/foo/bar" but have only "bar/*" within the archive?
[11:22] <hollusion> without the need to do a "cd /home/foo" before
[11:37] <geirha> hollusion: either use tar instead, or use cd in a subshell
[11:38] <zetheroo> Ubuntu 16.04 when installing with apt I am seeing this message repeating:
[11:38] <zetheroo> dpkg-query: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 3939 package 'semaphore': missing maintainer
[11:39] <zetheroo> What does it mean and how do I fix it?
[11:47] <downer06> has anyone managed to get lenovo fingerprint readers working on 18.10?
[11:53] <tarzeau> zetheroo: the file is broken, can you find the lines around 3939?
[11:54] <masterboy> hi guys i see you support nvidia-304 in 16.04 but not with the 4.15 kernel. Could you support it with 4.15 kernel? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1737750/comments/45
[11:54] <masterboy> as 4.4 lags a lot
[11:54] <tarzeau> masterboy: does the nvidia-340 not work for you?
[11:55] <tarzeau> masterboy: or even better 390/410 ? which card do you have from nvidia? lspci |grep VGA?
[11:55] <masterboy> mhm i have nv4c - a C61 nvidia
[11:55] <masterboy> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[11:56] <masterboy> as i understood i can use only 304 https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[11:56] <masterboy>  For NV4x and G7x GPUs use `nvidia-304` (304.137) End-Of-Life!
[11:58] <solsTiCe> hollusion: use -C <dir>
[11:58] <solsTiCe> with tar
[12:00] <masterboy> reboot
[12:00] <zetheroo> tarzeau: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B3R3hW9HVq/
[12:00] <zetheroo> line 3939 is: Multi-Arch: same
[12:15] <masterboy> hi guys again - debian has the fixed package https://packages.debian.org/stretch/nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver  Building the kernel module has been tested up to Linux 4.15.
[12:15] <masterboy> it would fix bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1737750/comments/45
[12:15] <masterboy> how can i install this debian package in ubuntu?
[12:16] <gpunk> you could dpkg -i ... but it is not supported
[12:16] <gpunk> if you broke it you fix it ...
[12:17] <masterboy> gpunk, will it download all debian dependancies?
[12:17] <gpunk> nope
[12:17] <Ben64> would probably have better luck using that patch you linked to
[12:18] <masterboy> if i knew how to use this patch
[12:20] <Ben64> or use 4.4 kernel
[12:21] <tarzeau> zetheroo: can you remove the $ at this line? Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.10+dfsg~), libidn11 (>= 1.13), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7)$
[12:21] <tarzeau> zetheroo: and retry?
[12:21] <masterboy> thanks i add debian to the sources list
[12:21] <Ben64> bad idea
[12:22] <gpunk> you can endup with an unusable pc
[12:22] <zetheroo>  tarzeau: oh sorry, that char is there because I copied from within nano ... in reality it's not there.
[12:23] <tarzeau> zetheroo: then i don't know what the error is but it must be something breaking the parser
[12:23] <zetheroo> ok
[12:23] <banisterfiend> hi all, waht's the relationsnip between "NetworkManager" and "systemd-resolved" ? i notice that on some systems /etc/resolv.conf symlinks to a file controleld by systemd-resolved and on other systems (debian) it symlinks to a file controlls by NetworkManager ? how do these two technologies relate?
[12:45] <tamarind> hey guys, i am running ubuntu 16 32 bit - whats the best way to get an android emulator for gaming apart from the AVD officially from google ?
[12:45] <tamarind> genny motion does not support 32 bit now :(
[12:46] <tamarind> bluestacks when i try to run via wine doesnt even go beyond the unpacking stage
[12:46] <tamarind> probably thats 64 bit only as well
[12:46] <tamarind> how do you guys manage if you have a 32 bit system, ?
[12:55] <tarzeau> tamarind: the hardware can only do 32 bit? how old is it?
[12:56] <tamarind> tarzeau, probably 5 years old
[12:57] <solsTiCe> banisterfiend: I have trouble understanding how it works too. The two seems to be mixed up and/or work together somtimes. You need to look at the output of
[12:57] <solsTiCe> banisterfiend: you need to read the dns section of NetworkManager.conf man page. This is a very contrieved setup
[12:58] <solsTiCe> oops ignore my first post
[13:00] <TJ-> banisterfiend: originally, Network Manager used dnsmasq to provide a DNS resolver for the system, recently that has switched to using systemd-resolved instead. You can determine which is in use in /etc/resolv.conf because dnsmasq binds to <IP_ADDRESS> whereas systemd-resolved binds to <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:00] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:01] <banisterfiend> TJ- so if /etc/resolv.conf symlimks to /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf which is it using?
[13:02] <solsTiCe> banisterfiend: dnsmasq I guess. Look into the file like TJ- said
[13:03] <banisterfiend> solsTiCe TJ- well /etc/resolv.conf just has the <IP_ADDRESS> as the namerserver, not <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:04] <TJ-> banisterfiend: that suggests neither are in use and some local admin change has been hard-coded.
[13:05] <banisterfiend> TJ- but the /etc/resolf.conf is a symlink to /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf
[13:05] <banisterfiend>   -- and this is a FRESH debian system (just installed 10 mins ago in a VM)
[13:07] <BluesKaj> the defualt nameserver is <IP_ADDRESS> on /etc/resolv.conf here using systemd on kubuntu cosmic
[13:08] <BluesKaj> maybe debian is different, ask in #debian
[13:09] <TJ-> BluesKaj: it'll depend on the setting of rc-manager in NM
[13:09] <TJ-> oops
[13:09] <TJ-> banisterfiend: it'll depend on the setting of rc-manager in NM
[13:09] <solsTiCe> banisterfiend: I think the dns have been changed in networkmanager hence the change in dnsmasq
[13:11] <banisterfiend> hmmm
[13:12] <BluesKaj> TJ-, yeah, not using NM here
[13:13] <solsTiCe> banisterfiend: you could check the output of `resolvectl status` and `nmcli con show <youridcon>` to look for dns
[13:17] <solsTiCe> if the dns are set in resolvectl output then it uses systemd-resolved, otherwise it's networkmaanger and probably dnsmasq
[13:18] <solsTiCe> if I am not wrong
[13:23] <CoolerZ> is there a ctrl alt del type trap in linux?
[13:23] <CoolerZ> specifically ubuntu 18.04 lts
[13:23] <CoolerZ> i found this https://askubuntu.com/questions/95192/what-is-the-equivalent-of-control-alt-delete
[13:23] <CoolerZ> alt + prtsc and then r e i s u b
[13:24] <CoolerZ> but that restarts the OS, what if i just want to suspend all user mode processes and regain control?
[13:24] <CoolerZ> open system monitor and kill the offending process?
[13:37] <solsTiCe> CoolerZ: you could try alt-f2 and type gnome-system-monitor if you want to go GUI. But that might not work. Another way is to go to a console like ctrl-alt-f1 and lofin and do yout stuff from the cli there
[13:37] <solsTiCe> ctrl-alt-del here on 18.10 with wayland prompt me to close the session
[13:38] <tarzeau> i can't remember that SOMETHING.ubuntu.com url with bug reports stats (problems with different ubuntu releases installs, the automatic bug report stats)
[13:38] <tarzeau> errors.ubuntu.com :)
[13:39] <bytefire> hey guys, what is the size of latest ubuntu kernel?
[13:41] <solsTiCe> bytefire: vmlinuz-4.18.0-10-generic is 8.6MB on 18.10
[13:41] <BluesKaj> bytefire, triceratux answered your question in ##linux
[13:41] <tarzeau> mine are 30-40% smaller with /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.d/compress COMPRESS=xz (instead of the default gzip)
[13:41] <tarzeau> solsTiCe: you don't count the initramdisk?
[13:42] <solsTiCe> tarzeau: no just the kernel
[13:42] <tarzeau> only because it's compressed so well! still very large (like 20 mb uncompressed)
[13:42] <solsTiCe> omg. i never saw that initramfs was so huge 61MB !
[13:42] <tarzeau> gets down to 30mb with xz :)
[13:42] <bytefire> solsTiCe: thank you!
[13:42] <bytefire> BluesKaj: cheers
[13:43] <tarzeau> speeds things up! also usin zram-config (compressed memory)
[13:43] <tarzeau> and btrfs fs compression
[13:46] <solsTiCe> tarzeau: the stats stops at aorund the 5th of sept ?
[13:46] <tarzeau> solsTiCe: what stats?
[13:46] <solsTiCe> in errors.ubuntu.com
[13:47] <tarzeau> ahhhh yeah https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-report and i wouldn't want to send ANYTHING when opting out (see very bottom)
[13:47] <tarzeau> solsTiCe: and popcon.ubuntu.com is also all messed up
[13:47] <solsTiCe> and the graph does not go up more than 0.4 . O.4 of waht ? % ?
[13:47] <tarzeau> solsTiCe: hey i didn't make that :)
[13:47] <lotus|NUC> perhaps a conversation for #ubuntu-discuss guys
[13:48] <solsTiCe> tarzeau: ok sorry. that was not directed against you
[13:54] <Metraf> Hi ! i've got problems, i've accidentaly uninstalled xserv-xorg-input-libinput and now any input is disable, can't figure out how to fix it, can you please help ?
[13:57] <genii> Metraf: Did you try reinstalling xserver-xorg-input-libinput from commandline?
[13:57] <Metraf> i cant get to access comandline
[13:57] <Metraf> +m
[13:57] <Metraf> that's the problem
[13:58] <solsTiCe> tarzeau: nice. using COMPRESS=xz reduced intramfs by two. but it takes way longer to generate
[13:58] <Metraf> When i access it from recovery, theres no internet to install the package
[13:58] <Metraf> genii *
[13:59] <solsTiCe> Metraf: boot a Live CD/Live Usb, chroot and isntall the package ?
[13:59] <Rumen> Question - after upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 18.04LTS the computer freeze just before login. I formated the disk and made fresh instalation just to be more clear. The computer freeze exactly at the same place. After I hit ESC I saw that https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipN04fKktMR4QJ_Gted25qzun3jChAe_GLpUFqA-
[14:00] <genii> Metraf: You should be able to remount / read-write in recovery, and then bring up a network interface
[14:00] <Metraf> Yep but the network interface doesn't start and it gets back to the menu x)
[14:00] <solsTiCe> Rumen: your link is a 404
[14:01] <solsTiCe> wtf. curl -I output is filled with underscore
[14:01] <Metraf> genii *
[14:02] <Rumen> solsYiCe   try this https://imgur.com/a/bDFBW3p
[14:03] <Rumen> solsTice  https://imgur.com/a/bDFBW3p
[14:03] <lotus|NUC> Rumen: wich .iso did you burn and what graphics card chipset?
[14:03] <Rumen> Every time free there
[14:04] <Metraf> Also genii I'm running manjaro right now, maybe i can access / or install something via this distro ?
[14:04] <genii> Metraf: Should try from recovery: mount -o remount,rw /    ..and then: ip link set dev interface-name-here up
[14:05] <Rumen> iso is the the one from UBUNTU.COM  last official / graphic I think it is N-Vidia (but not sure it is a friend home computer)
[14:05] <genii> ( where interface-name-here is whatever your wired port is called )
[14:05] <compdoc> \]\
[14:06] <lotus|NUC> !nomodeset | Rumen try this to get in your system
[14:06] <Metraf> genii can I chroot from manjaro ?
[14:06] <Metraf> or something ?
[14:06] <Rumen> Thanks a lot guys
[14:07] <genii> Metraf: Should be able to chroot in from any livecd. But I'd try the remount and fire up network first
[14:07] <genii> Metraf: For chroot you have to bindmount some system things under the chroot, etc
[14:08] <Metraf> okokay thks !
[14:23] <tarzeau> solsTiCe: but you only generate it once you get a new one. loading/decompressing/booting gets faster
[14:28] <d-rock> I'm still stuck with udev/systemd issues
[14:28] <d-rock> Boot hangs because vgchange is waiting on udevcookie to reach zero
[14:29] <d-rock> I've found several bugs with the same symptoms, but they're mostly from 2007-2012 and are all marked as fixed
[14:30] <d-rock> If I boot into rescue mode and run "vgchange -ay" manually, I can run "dmsetup udevcomplete_all" and all of my /dev/dm-* devices are created and working
[14:31] <d-rock> I have to manually create the /dev/mapper symlinks, but after that I can run "mount -a" and then manually start all services
[14:31] <d-rock> The one wrinkle is that when I mount /boot, systemd immediately unmounts it because it thinks that it's inactive
[14:32] <d-rock> I can mount the partition on /mnt/boot just fine
[14:33] <sorinello> Hello. DOes anyone have problems with Vmware Workstation 15 + Ubuntu 18.10 as guest full screen ? the options to fit gues are grayed out. I have installed VmWare Tools twice, problem persists
[14:37] <tomreyn> sorinello: this channel is only for ubuntu support really. what you're discussing sounds like a vmware issue.
[14:38] <solsTiCe> tarzeau: ok. fine. I'll see next boot. that does not happen quite often. and with a SSD I doubt to see a benefit. but anyway will see
[14:38] <tomreyn> sorinello: ...but you're welcome to discuss this in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:39] <d-rock> I guess I should mention that I'm on Ubuntu 18.04.1
[14:41] <d-rock> I dug a bit and found that udev didn't have the disk marked as SYSTEMD_READY. I added a custom udev rules file and ran udevadm to force it to pick up the change, and now it's set to SYSTEMD_READY=1
[14:41] <d-rock> But systemd still times out accessing the disk
[14:41] <d-rock> i.e. "Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by-uuid-67bd262e-b206-484b-80c5-ee3a80bca4b9.device"
[14:42] <Metraf> hi again, genii I didn't manage to get the interface up sooo
[14:42] <d-rock> I can access /dev/disk/by-uuid/67bd262e-b206-484b-80c5-ee3a80bca4b9 just fine
[14:44] <Metraf> So under ubuntu, any input is disabled and I cannot login to do anything, the problem is related to the uninstallation of xserver-xorg-input-libinput do you have any solution to reinstall the package ? cannot figure out, i'm running manjaro to try to repair the evil
[14:44] <d-rock> Metraf: are you able to boot into rescue mode?
[14:45] <Metraf> Yep d-rock but I cannot connect the network interface
[14:46] <d-rock> When you say you can't connect it, how is it normally configured? Static? DHCP?
[14:46] <ioria> Metraf, probably the pkg it's still in the cache, you should be able to reinstall without connection (maybe)
[14:46] <Metraf> How would i do that ioria ?
[14:47] <d-rock> Or if you have another computer you could maybe transfer it via USB drive
[14:47] <Metraf> Mmh, how can I do to install it then ?
[14:47] <d-rock> Which version of ubuntu?
[14:47] <ioria> Metraf, recovery -> mount -o remount,rw / -> apt install  xserver-xorg-input-libinput
[14:47] <ZeZu> ppa.launchpad.net is wow slow today ... it hasn't quite hit dialup speeds but it seems to be getting closer every day
[14:48] <Metraf> Oh that was doing this kind of thing
[14:48] <Metraf> Mmh okay ill try !
[14:49] <d-rock> I have to say, I'm really not loving systemd
[14:51] <ZeZu> delete it and go back to init scripts?
[14:51] <d-rock> Yeah
[14:51] <d-rock> I'm researching alternatives
[14:52] <ZeZu> works well enough for me
[14:52] <d-rock> Worked fine for me until it broke, and now it's inscrutable
[14:52] <ZeZu> as with all things on linux,  works great until it doesn't
[14:53] <d-rock> Well, at least with init scripts, if I could get to rescue mode, it was *extremely* clear where things were breaking and how to fix them
[14:53] <genii> ioria: Needs to bring up one of his network interfaces also, i would imagine
[14:54] <d-rock> With systemd I feel like not only is it broken, but it's actively fighting my attempts to restore the system
[14:54] <ioria> genii, yup
[14:54] <d-rock> I mean, my server is now running with all services as if it were a normal boot, but systemd refuses to allow me to mount /boot
[14:55] <d-rock> It'll let me mount the same partition on /mnt/boot just fine
[14:55] <d-rock> At first I thought it was a udev issue (and it may be, at root cause), but I was able to get udev to see the disk and mark it as active
[14:56] <d-rock> But systemd, even after a reload, still times out trying to access the disk, and I can't get any log data to indicate why that might be
[14:56] <TJ-> d-rock: your vgchange issue; sounds like it occurs in the initial ramdisk (if it's prior to the root FS being mounted)
[14:56] <d-rock> Yeah, vgchange issue appears to be a udev issue
[14:56] <d-rock> There are 3 bugs from 2007-2012 that talk about race conditions in udev, but they're all marked as fixed
[14:57] <TJ-> d-rock: have you tried dropping to the shell in the init script to investigate *before* the point it fails?
[14:57] <d-rock> FWIW, my /boot partition is on an MD dev, but it's up and running
[14:57] <d-rock> Do you mean set init=/bin/sh on boot?
[14:58] <ZeZu> That is weird,  indeed if it gets locked up that early in the boot it's going to be a pain
[14:58] <TJ-> d-rock: if you do "grep maybe_break /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init" that shows all the places where the /init script can be stopped, by adding to the kernel command-line "break=XXXXX" (e.g: "break=premount")
[14:59] <TJ-> d-rock: /init is a shell script executed by the kernel to find and mount the real root-fs, which is where systemd would then take over.
[14:59] <d-rock> Symptom is basically boot looks like normal. Udev appears to recognize and init the MD devices, then fire rules to init the VG
[14:59] <Metraf> Okay so
[14:59] <Metraf> it didn't work
[15:00] <d-rock> VG hangs because udev doesn't complete the cookie for some reason (I think what's happening here is likely root cause)
[15:00] <d-rock> Systemd times out waiting for the VG to go active, and then hangs itself
[15:00] <TJ-> d-rock: right; udev begins work in the /init script
[15:00] <d-rock> Oh, you mean in the initrd?
[15:00] <TJ-> d-rock: correct
[15:00] <Metraf> okay, how do I download a package on an external usb key ?
[15:00] <d-rock> OK, good idea. Let me beat on that a bit
[15:01] <Metraf> and how do I then install it ? o-o
[15:01] <d-rock> Metraf: which version/arch of ubuntu?
[15:01] <Metraf> 18.04
[15:01] <TJ-> d-rock: also, if I recall correctly, you can add a udev debug option to kernel command line and it'll write a .debug file into the initial ramdisk's tmpfs, something like /dev/.udev_log or similar - you'd have to search the udev docs for the specifics
[15:02] <d-rock> Awesome, thanks
[15:02] <d-rock> I just found a page for setting systemd printk and other debug info, so hopefully between these two I'll get more details
[15:02] <d-rock> Metraf: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/xserver-xorg-input-libinput
[15:03] <d-rock> Links to download the package are on the bottom
[15:03] <Metraf> Yes
[15:03] <Metraf> Otherwise, when I tried installing from cache, the thing appeared and so on, but it still tried to install from official sources
[15:03] <Metraf> Instead of cache
[15:05] <d-rock> Metraf: Download the file, copy to a USB drive. Boot to rescue mode, mount -o remount,rw /; mkdir /mnt/usb; mount -t vfat /dev/<USB device> /mnt/usb; dpk -i /mnt/usb/<package file>
[15:05] <TJ-> d-rock: also, "man systemd-udevd" towards the end has Kernel Command-Line options; you can set (for the initrd) "rd.udev.log_priority=XXXX" (=debug, maybe?) but I think that'll still go to the kernel log. It may also be quietly writing to a dotfile too
[15:05] <d-rock> I'm OK with kernel log
[15:05] <Metraf> Thanks !
[15:06] <d-rock> I found flags for increasing systemd's kernel log buffer and enabling systemd debug in the kernel log as well, so that may well be simpler
[15:06] <forester> Hi. I use Ubuntu Mate 18.04. I do compile custom kernels all the time. And a problem is I am not able to compile 4.18 and 4.19 kernels. Maybe someone knows a reason and how to workaround it ???
[15:06] <TJ-> d-rock: it's easy to swamp the kernel log ring buffer with udev in debug mode! you may have to increase the size of the ring buffer to compensate :)
[15:06] <d-rock> Yeah, "log_buf_len=100M"
[15:06] <d-rock> Found this handy reference: https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/
[15:06] <TJ-> d-rock: warning! if you do systemd.log_level=debug you'll stall/kill the boot because systemd spends more time writing log messages and it can cause amazing breakage due to timeouts!
[15:07] <forester> And a problem is I am not able to compile 4.18 and 4.19 kernels. Maybe someone knows a reason and how to workaround it ???
[15:07] <lotus|NUC> forester: we reccomend to use !mainline instead of compiling your own
[15:07] <d-rock> TJ: System is already broken :)
[15:07] <TJ-> d-rock: but that option is for after the initrd has terminated so you shouldn't need it
[15:07] <forester> lotus|NUC: no. I use realtime patch
[15:07] <TJ-> d-rock: right, but you don't want to be in a situation where it stalls so badly you cannot get to the log messages :D
[15:07] <d-rock> True
[15:08] <d-rock> Worth one boot to test
[15:08]  * TJ- <---- voice of experience here d-rock :)
[15:08] <forester> lotus|NUC: UBUNTU TEAM compiles kernel, therefore they know how to deal with it.
[15:08] <d-rock> I'm going to start with udev debugging, since systemd looks more like a symptom of something else going on
[15:09] <TJ-> d-rock: which kernel version is it, which Ubuntu release?
[15:09] <d-rock> If I can't get enough detail there, I'll venture into more systemd logging
[15:09] <lotus|NUC> forester: perhaps #ubuntu-devel might be more for you, but keep in mind we dont really support own kernel builds here
[15:09] <tgm4883> forester: have you tried compiling it without the realtime patch?
[15:10] <forester> lotus|NUC: thanks
[15:10] <d-rock> Ubuntu 18.04.1, failing with both 4.15.0-34 and 4.15.0-36
[15:10] <forester> tgm4883: yes. I did it right now. because a patch for 4.19 is not ready yet.
[15:11] <TJ-> d-rock: I'd suspect your issue is with the layout of the logical devices (RAID, LVM), since it sounds like the dmsetup udev rules are out of step with each other
[15:12] <d-rock> Yeah. Here's the kicker. Layout hasn't changed, and the 4.15.0-36 kernel booted before just fine
[15:12] <d-rock> I literally removed a NIC and enabled SMART on two disks
[15:12] <d-rock> And then it stopped booting
[15:12] <d-rock> I put the NIC back and disabled SMART and it still won't boot :(
[15:12] <TJ-> d-rock: if you can drop to shell in initrd when the problem occurs, capturing "dmsetup udevcookie" list would be really useful
[15:13] <d-rock> Yeah, the cookie is there with count 1
[15:13] <TJ-> d-rock: for which device?
[15:13] <d-rock> That's why vgchange -ay hangs
[15:13] <TJ-> d-rock: is it for a physical disk, or a logical block device (RAID, etc.) ?
[15:13] <d-rock> logical block device
[15:13] <d-rock> Everything I have is on MDs
[15:14] <d-rock> Well, I get a single cookie with count = 5, since I have 5 LVs
[15:14] <TJ-> d-rock: can you sketch your arrangement? is it disk > partition(s) > mdraid = PV = VG > LVs ?
[15:14] <d-rock> Sure, give me a second
[15:15] <TJ-> d-rock: are the 'disks' SATA, and are they attached to the Mobo, or to an add-in adapter?
[15:16] <d-rock> 6 disks. two pairs of spindles, each with one MD => one PV
[15:16] <d-rock> one pair of SSDs with two MDs => two PVs
[15:17] <d-rock> Each MD corresponds to a single PV
[15:17] <d-rock> Sorry, I have that backward
[15:17] <d-rock> SSDs are a single MD => PV
[15:18] <d-rock> One of the pairs of spindles has two MDs, one MD is a PV, the other is my /boot
[15:18] <d-rock> All PVs in the same VG
[15:18] <TJ-> d-rock: silly question but... since removing/replacing NIC and SMART {dis,}enable, did you re-run "update-initramfs" ?
[15:18] <d-rock> I did not
[15:19] <d-rock> But, I was wondering if unattended upgrades might have
[15:19] <d-rock> So I looked in the apt history log
[15:19] <TJ-> d-rock: if you can get to a sane state to do that, it may be worthwhile before trying to debug further
[15:19] <d-rock> Nothing jumped out at me, but I can't rule it out 100%
[15:19] <d-rock> TJ-: sane state is exactly what I'm trying to get to, but systemd won't let me mount /boot :P
[15:19] <d-rock> Which is really the reason I'm here
[15:20] <TJ-> d-rock: if the system relies on MD for a root FS, then the update-initramfs hooks for mdadm are triggered, and that causes an mdadm conf file to be written into the initrd
[15:20] <d-rock> Sure, all MDs are up
[15:20] <d-rock> I can confirm that
[15:20] <TJ-> d-rock: don't use systemd than, boot with "init=/bin/bash" :)
[15:20] <d-rock> Fair enough :)
[15:21] <d-rock> Thanks for all of the help :) I was hoping that it was just my unfamiliarity with systemd, but it seems like the proven approaches are sometimes the best ;)
[15:22] <TJ-> d-rock: it sounds very much to me like one of your MD devices isn't assembled (possibly operating 'degraded') and therefore the VG cannot be activated. If you drop into the initrd shell use "cat /proc/mdstat" to see what is going on
[15:22] <d-rock> I've been using systemv init for 25 years, so I try to be wary of my own biases :)
[15:22] <d-rock> I'll try doing that with init=/bin/bash
[15:23] <d-rock> When I do that from the rescue mode they're all active
[15:23] <d-rock> But it could definitely be something going on between start of init and when I get to rescued shell that is causing problems
[15:24] <TJ-> d-rock: Despite some reservations and annoyances I've found systemd to be fantastic when it comes to debugging service start-up issues; the way it logs and makes it searchable in powerful ways, along with analyising the faults with systemd-analyze, is order of magnitude better than sysvinit :)
[15:24] <TJ-> d-rock: if all the MD arrays are fine, then use "pvscan --cache" to ensure all the expected PVs are recognised
[15:25] <d-rock> Let me look at systemd-analyze
[15:26] <TJ-> d-rock: "systemd-analyze blame" and "systemd-analyze critical-chain" are your friends for systemd service-start issues
[15:26] <TJ-> d-rock: but it sounds like your system isn't getting far enough to make use of those
[15:27] <TJ-> d-rock: you already know what the problem is: A udev rules that triggers "vgchange -ay" is stuck because a device isn't ready
[15:27] <d-rock> Thanks :)
[15:27] <TJ-> d-rock: didn't see you answer this earlier...
[15:27] <TJ-> d-rock: are the 'disks' SATA, and are they attached to the Mobo, or to an add-in adapter?
[15:28] <d-rock> SATA, directly attached to the mainboard
[15:28] <TJ-> d-rock: OK, so moving the NIC shouldn't have changed the PCI bus location
[15:29] <d-rock> I didn't think so.
[15:29] <TJ-> you know you said you enabled SMART - was that via a system firmware option, or also installing 'smartmontools' ?
[15:29] <Metraf> Yey it worked, thanks
[15:30] <d-rock> TJ-: BIOS option
[15:31] <d-rock> Metraf: using USB?
[15:31] <Metraf> well another partition but yes !
[15:32] <TJ-> d-rock: I was just wondering... if smartmontools is installed it installs a service to run at boot. If so, disabling that service might be a useful test.
[15:33] <d-rock> OH yeah, mdmonitor.service
[15:33] <d-rock> I'll take a look at that, too
[15:34] <Metraf> Also, the reason why i uninstalled libinput was because the touchpad was disabled whuile typing
[15:44] <Teodoro777> Ciao
[16:05] <emilengler> Can someone tell me how to disable the ubuntu mate start page in firefox
[16:05] <emilengler> It is not in the firefox settings, a background task does this
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> emilengler: the #ubuntu-mate guys might know that one perhaps
[16:07] <emilengler> Thank you
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> emilengler: what happens when you change startpage in firefox settings?
[16:08] <emilengler> lotuspsychje: Nothing, it still opens start.ubuntu-mate.org
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> emilengler: this looks what happens to you? https://winaero.com/blog/change-firefox-home-page-ubuntu-mate/
[16:11] <emilengler> lotuspsychje: Exactly
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> Ubuntu 18.04.1 up to date, anyone has more ideas what to try for this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1790110
[16:11] <emilengler> Yes the tutorial worked thank you a lot lotuspsychje
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> !yay | emilengler
[16:59] <klow> Anyone know why in 18.04 ,  xinetd would not ship with a systemd unit but rather still have the init.d style script ?
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> klow: whats your actual problem mate, perhaps volunteers might know something
[17:06] <klow> eh having some issue with configuration management using saltstack. enabling the service without error but it doesnt start up on reboot.  thought it was strange that systemd unit was not there, but systemctl says its falling back to using the init.d style script and normal systemctl restart etc works fine.
[17:09] <rfm> klow, systemd provides .socket units which do what inetd used to; none of my 18.04 installs even have inetd anymore
[17:11] <rfm> klow, so my guess is nobody bothered to update xinitd to a .service during the systemd transition since it was kid of going away
[17:12] <rfm> klow, again my guess is saltstack ought to eventually change to providing .socket units to do whatever it's currently doing with xinetd and remove the dependency on xinetd.
[17:12] <klow> ya hrmm. i was surprised to see xinetd in use at my new company.
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> klow: can this help? https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-salt-saltstack-master-minion-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[17:12] <klow> its just being used to run a monitoring agent
[17:13] <funkmeldekopf> Hi
[17:13] <klow> thanks,  saltstack is working fine its just just not properly enabling xinetd service when i run a salt state .
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> welcome funkmeldekopf what can we do for you?
[17:16] <funkmeldekopf> Nothing I am listening :-)
[17:23] <TJ-> klow: does the journal for that service give any clues?
[17:43] <cursived> I have a problem. For some reason I can't use the 8 character short hand of my gpg key. (gpg says it doesn't exists). But if I use the long hand it works
[17:49] <tomreyn> cursived: those are the last , not first 8 characters of the fingerprint
[17:50] <tomreyn> sometimes you need to prefix them with "0x"
[17:51] <tomreyn> i would recommend using gpg2 rather than 1 nowdays if that's an option on your ubuntu release.
[17:51] <cursived> ok
[17:52] <cursived>  i just did a version and its reporting as 2.2.4 is that the latest?
[17:54] <ppf> how do get bionics dark-grey theme back instead of cosmics flashy white?
[17:56] <cursived> thanks tomreyn. its been a while since I had to use gpg.
[17:57] <tomreyn> cursived: you're welcome.
[17:57] <tomreyn> about the version, depends on your ubuntu release, of course. so check https://packages.ubuntu.com
[17:59] <troozers> Hi, can anyone help me with an audio issue with Ubuntu 18.10? I have it installed on an Asus Zenbook 3, and the volume control only really has 3 modes; muted, quiet and LOUD when you slide from left to right (mute=extreme left, quiet=1/10th of a slide, and after that everything is the same volume; LOUD)
[17:59] <troozers> I did a listing of aplay -l here https://pastebin.com/uDwt111U
[18:04] <FreeBDSM> hello
[18:05] <gpunk> free bondage ? lol
[18:05] <FreeBDSM> I use proprietary nvidia driver, I updated it, rebooted and now my 4k screen only works in 640x580 mode
[18:05] <wad> And of you guys know of a keystroke to rename a terminal tab? Just using the default terminal app in 18.04 LTS 64-bit desktop edition.
[18:06] <FreeBDSM> I forgot what I need to do to fix the resolution
[18:06] <FreeBDSM> help
[18:06] <wad> I've got a dozen tabs open, logged into different servers, I'd like to name the tab explicitly.
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> wad: The terminal tab/window inherits a value from the application run within the virtual terminal. There isn't really a way to forcefully name the tab
[18:07] <wad> Oh, okay.
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> wad: You can try "gnome-terminal --title="SOME TITLE HERE"" inside the terminal when you start the terminal
[18:08]  * wad tries it
[18:08] <wad> That opens a new tab, with the same title. But thanks! :)
[18:09] <wad> I can use colors to differentiate.
[18:09] <wad> ALT-T, then a couple of arrow keys to choose the profile, then ENTER.
[18:09] <wad> No need to reach for the mouse!
[18:26] <banyantree> Hi Guys, I've a problem with mpd and ncmpc: I'm connected, but there is no music listed
[18:27] <banyantree> i specified in my ~/.config/mpd/mpd.conf the music folder already
[18:27] <ducasse> banyantree: have you updated the database?
[18:27] <banyantree> ducasse: and i pressed ctrl-u in ncmpc
[18:27] <banyantree> ducasse: to update
[18:28] <banyantree> ducasse: i tried mpc update too
[18:29] <banyantree> ducasse: maybe a chmod problem?
[18:30] <ducasse> banyantree: check that the user mpd runs as can read the music folder
[18:30] <banyantree> ducasse: how can i check that?
[18:32] <ducasse> banyantree: 'ps aux | grep mpd' to see which user it runs as
[18:33] <banyantree> ducasse: there are 2 lines: the first one runs with my user
[18:33] <PCatinean> Can anyone tell me how this is supposed to work and link all the scripts inside qa/insider to the CWD? for f in $(ls /qa/insider); do ln -s insider $f; done; sync
[18:33] <PCatinean> because it ends up symlinking to the directory itself somehow
[18:33] <banyantree> ducasse: the second as mpd it says /usr/bin/mpd --no-deamon
[18:34] <ducasse> banyantree: then i'm not sure, sorry
[18:35] <banyantree> ducasse: thx anyway
[18:35] <rfm> wad, 'echo -ne "\033]0;the label you want\007"' in the tab...   I do this in my .bashrc to put the hostname in -- actually do it in $PROMPT_COMMAND so it resets after ssh'ing out and coming back.
[18:37] <TJ-> PCatinean: what are you trying to achieve?
[18:46] <geekodour08> why is the group and user 1000 after I extracted it http://dpaste.com/2VV5K6J.txt ? I am the root untaring it, so shouldn't it be root?
[18:46] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086859/how-to-fix-lxpanel-showing-wifi-twice
[18:49] <coconut> don't. llok
[18:49] <coconut> don't look!
[18:50] <sappheiros> one of these commands has a future ... and one of them does not.
[18:50] <sla3k> Hi, how do I access guest os (ubuntu) from the host? I tried virsh console <id> but it gets stuck at "Escape character is ^]"
[18:51] <sla3k> both host and guest are ubuntu 16.04 servers
[18:52] <rfm> geekodour08, no typically when untarring as root you'll get the uid from the tar source...
[18:52] <nacc_> sla3k: does that guest have a console setup/configured?
[18:52] <nacc_> sla3k: it completely depends on the guest. most people would ssh in.
[18:52] <nacc_> sla3k: from that console screen, did you hit enter? (to trigger a keyboard response)
[18:53] <geekodour08> rfm: tar source? means the uid of whoever tar'ed it. right?
[18:53] <sla3k> nacc_: how would I know if the console is setup or not? and can I set it up now? I tried hitting enter but nothing happens
[18:53] <rfm> geekodour08, no, the uid of the owner of the file as it was tarred.
[18:54] <sla3k> I would ssh too but another admin enabled ufw and forgot to add port 22 in allowed list
[18:54] <nacc_> sla3k: it depends on the guest OS
[18:54] <RonWhoCares> I am using Ubuntu 18.04.  When I ran updates the menu option color pallette changed.  How do I put it back to what it was?
[18:55] <sla3k> nacc_: hmm, now that I cannot log into the guest, what are my chances to gain the access to this guest (ubuntu 16.04) via console or any other means
[18:56] <nacc_> sla3k: you could try rebooting it via `virsh` and see if you can get to grub and boot into recovery mode, then fix the settings.
[18:56] <geekodour08> rfm: so i am downloading a package and it has the uid 1000(as shown in the paste), so owner of the file had uid '1000' when tarring it. My laptop has no user with uid 1000. but if it had someone with uid 1000 the file will be accessible by that user?
[18:56] <sappheiros> should we always search online and create askubuntu.com tread if not already and then share a link to the askubuntu thread here?
[18:57] <sla3k> nacc_: you mean virsh reboot? and how would I get to the grub when there is no console? sorry my understanding about kvm is limited
[18:58] <rfm> geekodour08, if you *want* to change the ownership, that's waht the --owner and --group options are for, check the tar man page
[18:59] <rfm> geekodour08, but I'd just chown -R me:mygroup root-of-the-untarred-directory afterwards..
[19:00] <nacc_> sla3k: well, not having console in linux doesn't mean you don't have console in grub
[19:00] <geekodour08> rfm: yes. I'll do that only. thanks a lot :)
[19:00] <nacc_> sla3k: and v.v.
[19:00] <nacc_> sappheiros: ask your question here, if you have one.
[19:01] <sla3k> nacc_: hmm, what's v.v.
[19:02] <TJ-> sla3k: if you're able (as in, it's OK) to reboot the guest, then stop the guest, mount it's file-system image in the host, make required changes (firewall, grub command-line), unmount and re-start the guest
[19:02] <ioria> sla3k,  v. v. = https://www.grammarly.com/blog/vice-versa/
[19:04] <sla3k> TJ-: many thanks for the steps, I'll try with a test guest first and if it works for me, I'll halt the guest machine in question and perform required steps.
[19:04] <sla3k> ioria: ahh, thanks
[19:04] <ioria> sla3k,  ok
[19:07] <TJ-> sla3k: use qemu-nbd to access the images (and ensure the kernel 'nbd' module is loaded)
[19:08] <Ignacy> anybody with desktop resolution problems after latest updates?
[19:08] <sla3k> TJ-: on the host?
[19:09] <TJ-> sla3k: indeed
[19:09] <sla3k> And by access you mean the mount method you've mentioned before right?
[19:09] <sla3k> TJ-: ^^
[19:12] <TJ-> sla3k: "modprobe nbd" creates a bunch of /dev/nbd*. Then "qemu-nbd --connect /dev/nbdX path/to/guest.img" will make the image available as a block device on /dev/nbdX. Then you can "kpartx -a /dev/nbdX" to add the partitions to the kernel table, and then e.g. "mount /dev/nbdXp1 /mnt" to access a file system
[19:14] <sla3k> TJ-: Thanks for the clarification and the steps. I am spinning a test instance of ubuntu 16.04 right now and will try it soon..
[19:16] <TJ-> sla3k: when you're undoing it all "qemu-nbd --disconnect /dev/nbdX" before re-starting the guest
[19:16] <sla3k> TJ-: noted!
[19:16] <banyantree> Hi Guys, i stuck in the configuration of mpd: the mpd.conf in my ~/.config is not used =(
[19:17] <banyantree> its using the /etc/mpd.conf instead
[19:17] <nisankhindia> banyantree: MPD version please
[19:18] <sappheiros> nacc_, would you please help me with https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086869/how-do-i-fix-fcitx-from-freezing-my-keyboard-and-mouse-click ?
[19:19] <nisankhindia> banyantree: remember MPD reads its configuration from a text file. Usually, that is /etc/mpd.conf, unless a different path is specified on the command line. If you run MPD as a user daemon (and not as a system daemon), the configuration is read from $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/mpd/mpd.conf (usually ~/.config/mpd/mpd.conf). On Android, mpd.conf will be loaded from the top-level directory of the data partition.
[19:19] <banyantree> nisankhindia: how can i check the version?
[19:19] <banyantree> nisankhindia: mpd --version is not working right?
[19:20] <nisankhindia> banyantree: Remember This " MPD reads its configuration from a text file. Usually, that is /etc/mpd.conf, unless a different path is specified on the command line. If you run MPD as a user daemon (and not as a system daemon), the configuration is read from $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/mpd/mpd.conf (usually ~/.config/mpd/mpd.conf). On Android, mpd.conf will be loaded from the top-level directory of the data partition. "
[19:20] <banyantree> nisankhindia: 0.20.18
[19:21] <nisankhindia> banyantree: I have already told you why MPD reads the /etc/mpd.conf instead of ~/.config/ one
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> geekodour08: No, untaring a archive does not change the set user/group values. If there is no user/group set to the ID value of 1000, then the raw value 1000 is shown instead of the human friendly username and group
[19:22] <banyantree> nisankhindia: thx! Then how can i start mpd as a user deamon?
[19:23] <nisankhindia> banyantree: go to https://www.musicpd.org , read the docs and go for advanced settings or configuration
[19:23] <banyantree> nisankhindia: thx!
[19:31] <tachikomas> Hello. On the last update of firefox (today), i had the welcomepage of mate (witch is not my system, and wasn't there before the update). Maybe there is something wrong with the update itself :)
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> tachikomas: Occassionally Mozilla will reset the welcome page during updates, assuming the browser will go to mozilla's own firefox homepage. Where they would have an explination about the latest features or security updates
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> tachikomas: If firefox was customized for your Ubuntu flavor, and has defined it's own welcome page, you would see that
[19:35] <[Gort]> Hi, am I missing something with the Firefox 63.0 supplied by Ubuntu in relation to the video autoplay settings that are meant to be in Preferences? I thought that there were settings inside Preferences to control autoplay, but can't find them. I had to, in the end, go to about:config to change the settings. Tried with a fresh profile, too, but the suppose settings aren't in Preferences.
[19:36] <geekodour08> pragmaticenigma: yes, i was just wondering if it becomes a security concern. because a file is owned by someone just because the user has the same uid.
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> [Gort]: I know it's a feature in the pipeline, I don't believe the feature has been released as an option in the preference yet
[19:38] <sla3k> TJ-: I just tested what I need to do on a test instance and it worked like a charm. Thank you very much for the steps.
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> geekodour08: not usually... you can also set tar to untar the files as the current user or group
[19:38] <[Gort]> Ah, so it's not just an Ubuntu thing it applies to other distros and OSs?
[19:39] <[Gort]> pragmaticenigma,  Ah, so it's not just an Ubuntu thing it applies to other distros and OSs?
[19:39] <sla3k> Now I'd need to schedule a shut down for few minutes and perform these steps.
[19:40] <pragmaticenigma> [Gort]: It's not unusual for some features to be released for one platform before another
[19:41] <[Gort]> pragmaticenigma, cheers. I can change the settings in about:config, so I'm fine. I was just surprised not to find the settings in Preferences when I read that they were going to be there. I suppose I misunderstood that it was coming in 63.0. Thanks.
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> [Gort]: I know the autoplay prevention isn't perfect yet... I have encountered sites that still playback videos dispite having that flag set to falase
[19:42] <mooses> nisankhindia: Reporting back - that in place update to 18.04 worked like a charm, my VLC is working great, in a chroot, able to chromecast, and syncplay overlay is working.  Thank you for helping me figure that out.
[19:43] <nisankhindia> [Gort]: the feature that you have mentioned will not be available such way till firefox 65 . thanks
[19:44] <mooses> nisankhindia: thanks again for all the help last night.
[19:45] <[Gort]> nisankhindia, ah, right. Thanks . I've obviously jumped the gun. Still, the about:config settings do work (mostly...). Just thought I'd missed something... and did.
[19:47] <nisankhindia> [Gort]: hmm , You may check using experimental firefox for testing purpose , if you would like to have taste of new features before the firefox release
[19:49] <[Gort]> nisankhindia, it's OK. I can change them in about:config, the settings are there. I was just curious why the GUI settings were missing and thought something was awry. Obviously not. Thanks though, but I'm fine with Release.
[19:50] <XenophonF> I can't install Steam after enabling multiverse on a fresh install of 18.04.1.
[19:51] <XenophonF> APT says that `E: Package 'steam' has no installation candidate`.
[19:52] <XenophonF> I see a bunch of fixed bug reports that mention similar errors.  And I can see the steam-installer Ubuntu Software meta-package.
[19:52] <XenophonF> Am I missing something obvious?
[19:55] <pragmaticenigma> what version of Ubuntu XenophonF
[19:57] <pragmaticenigma> XenophonF: after enabling multiverse... did you "sudo apt update"
[19:57] <XenophonF> 18.04.1/bionic
[19:57] <XenophonF> and yes I've run `apt update` as root
[19:58] <XenophonF> I can't find the Minecraft installer, either.
[19:58] <XenophonF> games, man - that's my priority LOL
[19:59] <RonWhoCares> I need help reverting Thunderbird to the previous version
[19:59] <XenophonF> I might try switching repositories.
[20:00] <XenophonF> I'm currently using the main server a/k/a archive.ubuntu.com
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: What issue are you experiencing. There is no downgrade path with apt
[20:01] <XenophonF> We'll see if us.archive.ubuntu.com gives me a different result.
[20:01] <RonWhoCares> I use Mozilla Thunderbird for my e-mail and have been using "Lightning 5.4" calendar.
[20:02] <nacc_> XenophonF: do you have multiverse enabled?
[20:02] <RonWhoCares> The calendar isn't compatible with Thunderbird 60
[20:02] <XenophonF> yes, I have multiverse enabled
[20:02] <NerdTheThird> what's with the "restart now or later" pop up window in ubuntu?
[20:03] <XenophonF> I double-checked by running `add-apt-repository multiverse`, which confirmed.
[20:03] <nacc_> NerdTheThird: what do you mean?
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: usually the calandar plugin is updated with in a few days of a Thunderbird update
[20:03] <NerdTheThird> i got that pop up yesterday but forgot to ask
[20:03] <RonWhoCares> WIthout my calendar I am properly lost
[20:03] <NerdTheThird> it was like "restart now to apply updates"
[20:03] <nacc_> XenophonF: `apt-cache policy steam` in a pastebin?
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: correction... Thunderbird has it's own built in calandar now
[20:04] <RonWhoCares> Can I import all my appointments?
[20:04] <nacc_> NerdTheThird: what are you asking? you are just describing the popup you saw
[20:04] <genii> NerdTheThird: When updates which require a reboot to take effect are done, it will prompt you with that window
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> or I just didn't notice that my calendar is disabled... hold on RonWhoCares
[20:04] <genii> NerdTheThird: So for instance kernel updates
[20:04] <NerdTheThird> is that a new thing in 18.10? i'm just asking because i never saw it before
[20:04] <nacc_> NerdTheThird: it's not new
[20:04] <RonWhoCares> ok pragmaticenigma
[20:05] <NerdTheThird> kk i was on xubuntu before 18.10, that's why i'm interested
[20:05] <XenophonF> nacc_: http://ix.io/1pWQ
[20:05] <TJ-> RonWhoCares: you know thunderbird 60 incorporates Lightning <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[20:05] <nisankhindia> NerdTheThird: Ignore that pop up . It was just a waiting user input whther user wants to restart the system or not ..
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: that's what I'm trying to verify
[20:05] <NerdTheThird> sure thing. thanks for the info guys
[20:06] <nacc_> XenophonF: oh do you have 32-bit (i386) added as an arch to apt?
[20:06] <nacc_> XenophonF: it's 32-bit only
[20:06] <TJ-> RonWhoCares: calendar shows up in TBv60 fine here for me
[20:06] <XenophonF> oh duh no I do not
[20:06] <XenophonF> amd64-only
[20:06] <nacc_> XenophonF: yeah, thenyou can't use steam :)
[20:06] <XenophonF> hehe thanks for the clue
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: I'm not seeing my calendar in Thunderbird 60.2
[20:07] <nacc_> XenophonF: np, sorry for forgetting that
[20:07] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: do you not see the Calendar tab button top-right of the content window?
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: no
[20:07] <XenophonF> nacc_: so am I!  I have it working on another laptop and didn't write down what I did.
[20:08] <XenophonF> I think the difference is that the new/broken computer got installed via debootstrap instead of casper, since I'm testing ZFS out on it.
[20:08] <XenophonF> so a lot of things the graphical installer does, I have to do manually
[20:08] <XenophonF> I guess I didn't expect this one  :)
[20:08] <XenophonF> thanks again
[20:09] <TJ-> RonWhoCares: pragmaticenigma see https://i.imgur.com/O3RWk7ul.png
[20:09] <nacc_> XenophonF: np, good luck!
[20:09] <TJ-> RonWhoCares: pragmaticenigma full-size image http://i.imgur.com/O3RWk7u.png
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: running the same version... screenshot of your add-ons?
[20:10] <NerdTheThird> i do have one more question. why is hexchat not showing in systray? sorry for bothering
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> NerdTheThird: what Desktop Environment are oyu in?
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: Fixed it
[20:11] <NerdTheThird> gnome 3.30
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: Remove the Lightning add-on if it is still installed. Then close Thunderbird, in command line: "sudo apt-get install xul-ext-lightning"
[20:12] <RonWhoCares> pragmaticenigma:  What will happen to all my appointments?
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: that will enable it for you. Ubuntu devs decided not to include it with the Thunderbird package
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: For me, it appears that I didn't have to do anything special... all my appointments from my Google calendar are present as well as my other calendar feeds
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: It reads those settings from your user profile, independent of the plugin
[20:13] <TJ-> robairt: this may help: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/calendar-updates-issues-thunderbird
[20:13] <TJ-> oops!
[20:13] <TJ-> RonWhoCares: this may help: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/calendar-updates-issues-thunderbird
[20:14] <RonWhoCares> The terminal command is done
[20:14] <RonWhoCares> Can I re-open thunderbird mail
[20:14] <RonWhoCares> Good
[20:14] <RonWhoCares> My appointments are back
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> yay!
[20:15] <RonWhoCares> Thank you
[20:15] <RonWhoCares> I am properly lost without them
[20:15] <RonWhoCares> Can I safely do further upgrades
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: Yes... this was an isolated incident
[20:16] <RonWhoCares> OK
[20:16] <RonWhoCares> Someone needs a lesson in the value of calendars
[20:16] <XenophonF> heh
[20:16] <XenophonF> no kidding
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> RonWhoCares: The old method always required installing the lightning plugin from the addons menu in Thunderbird. After many years, Mozilla dev team decided to include the calandar with thunderbird. Ubuntu devs decided to keep them separate to preserve previous install behavior
[20:19] <RonWhoCares> +cv
[20:19] <RonWhoCares> OK.  Thank you so much for helping me pragmaticenigma
[20:19] <RonWhoCares> I did not like my calendar missing
[20:19] <RonWhoCares> I am properly lost without it
[20:22] <tachikomas> pragmaticenigma, no, i had no customised flavor of ubuntu. I am running a 18.04.1 LTS. Just found that weird.
[20:23] <pragmaticenigma> tachikomas: Ubuntu customizes the Firefox installer
[20:32] <tachikomas> I know, thats why it might be an error in this installer.
[20:41] <diverdude> I am trying to connect a remote filesystem like this: sudo sshfs -o allow_other,defer_permissions,IdentityFile=projects/mykeys/officekey.pem hh@X.X.X.X:/home/hh ./officedrive/      But i am getting "remote host has disconnected" immedietly. Why am I getting that? Normally when i ssh to that machine i need to put password in addition to key. Is that why?
[20:43] <TJ-> diverdude: have you tried adding "-o sshfs_debug" ?
[20:43] <diverdude> TJ-: i can try that
[20:44] <diverdude> TJ-: that did not make a difference?
[20:45] <pragmaticenigma> tachikomas: It's not an error or a bug... what you are seeing is by design.
[20:45] <diverdude> TJ-: still getting same error
[20:45] <TJ-> diverdude: I'm not sure then; I was hoping you'd see something like you can get from "ssh -vvv ..."
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, diverdude: There was recently another person here that had a similar issue with scp. Turns out the remote ssh server did not have scp enabled.
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> and exhibited the same behavior, of kicking the user off on connection
[20:47] <diverdude> i see - how do i check that?
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> diverdude: You'd have to contact the remote server admin, or check the configuration of that machine if you are the admin, and make sure sshfs is enabled for it
[20:49] <diverdude> pragmaticenigma: remote system is running ubuntu - how do i check if sshfs is enabled there?
[20:52] <pragmaticenigma> diverdude: Other forums online indicate that the user making the mount may not have permissions under fuse
[20:52] <diverdude> pragmaticenigma: hmm ok -  what then to do?
[20:53] <elfranne> trying to install a package from a ppa but apt (after update) doesn t find it... any clue ?
[20:53] <pragmaticenigma> my suggestion... find a less complicated way to mount a remote file system
[20:53] <genii> elfranne: The PPA probably ddoesn't have a package for whichever Ubuntu version you're using.
[20:53] <balsaq> i installed gsmart control and when it was finished installing it offered me to "launch" but it would not launch. i have to click out of it, go find it in my OS and launch it from there...a bug in the software.
[20:54] <diverdude> pragmaticenigma: gladly - what could that be?
[20:54] <pragmaticenigma> elfranne: Also... provide more details... what package, what version of Ubuntu, etc...
[20:55] <elfranne> genii, it does, trying to install vulkan and it s available for 18.04 on : https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa,
[20:56] <XenophonF> just to close the loop, I had to run `dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update`
[20:56] <elfranne> any way to increase verbosity on apt ? I tried sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true  install vulkan
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> diverdude: That's out of scope for this channel. There are many choices including samba, nfs, sftp, and others. Appears to be one of the more well documented protocols
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> * nfs appears to be
[20:59] <diverdude> pragmaticenigma: wow...expandrive worked just like that!!!! BOIJAAAA
[21:00] <pragmaticenigma> elfranne: if it is "not found" then no package is found that is compatible for your system
[21:01] <pragmaticenigma> elfranne: This channel doesn't support 3rd party PPAs... unfortunately, our ability to help is limited
[21:01] <genii> elfranne: Check that the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/graphics-drivers-ubuntu-ppa-bionic.list exists, and that the line deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu bionic main ..is not commented out
[21:02] <elfranne> the error message is N: Unable to locate package vulkan
[21:02] <elfranne> genii, the file is present and not commented out
[21:04] <elfranne> pragmaticenigma, it s actually not a 3rd party, it s maintained by Canonical
[21:07] <elfranne> but it s does not really matter what ppa it is... just want to figure out why it does not find the package
[21:09] <genii> elfranne: apt-get update   ... and then it should be able to find it.
[21:11] <genii> elfranne: If you did previously an apt-get update just before adding the ppa then right after, it's likely that the default time in apt settings to use cached info instead of actually getting the latest list of packages was not expired
[21:12] <elfranne> genii, that makes sense
[21:12] <elfranne> i ll try to clear the cache
[21:13] <TJ-> elfranne: there is no binary package "vulkan" in that PPA
[21:15] <genii> TJ-: So probably he should be trying to install what package, mesa-vulkan-drivers ?
[21:16] <TJ-> Depends what is wanted; there are several lib* packages and the vulkan-utils
[21:16] <elfranne> TJ-, oh ... it s called libvulkan if you folde it out
[21:17] <TJ-> there's also a vulkan-tools package (source and binary)
[21:17] <TJ-> elfranne: easiest way to find packages is "apt list *vulkan*"
[21:17] <elfranne> it s probably recent the name change because on all docs it s refered as just vulkan
[21:42] <Skaag> I'm trying to install 18.10 on a Celeron box, I get "No suitable video mode found" and then "Booting in blind mode" but it just hangs in there... nothing happens... any ideas?
[21:42] <balsaq> not meeting the hardware req..  ubuntu 18 10  needs more grunt
[21:42] <genii> Skaag: Are you using some converter cable between the computer and the monitor?
[21:43] <Skaag> HDMI to HDMI
[21:43] <Skaag> balsaq: but at least it shouldn't hang before it even starts installing?
[21:43] <Skaag> I'm going to try to install ubuntu-server first
[21:44] <genii> Skaag: https://youtu.be/YYSCbzpnbqU?t=43 might be useful, add a VGA=xxx line for the resolution you know the video card and monitor both support
[21:45] <Skaag> Yah I tried adding vga=791, I also tried noquiet nospash nomodeset
[21:46] <genii> Skaag: Worst case maybe choose 640x480 and see if that flies
[21:47] <genii> ...so 786 or so
[21:47] <Skaag> genii the video you posted is of an airplane about to land on some island :)
[21:47] <genii> whups
[21:47] <Skaag> haha
[21:47] <genii> Skaag: http://pierre.baudu.in/other/grub.vga.modes.html
[21:47] <Skaag> pretty awesome though, I love landing videos
[21:47] <genii> ...apologies for the error
[21:48] <balsaq> some of thoise celerons are single core with terrrible graphics
[21:48] <Skaag> I know, that's what I'm dealing with here :-(
[21:49] <Skaag> But I have to get it done...
[21:49] <balsaq> did u try lubuntu?
[21:49] <Skaag> nope, do I have a better chance with it?
[21:49] <balsaq> yes
[21:49] <Skaag> thanks for the tip!!
[21:49] <balsaq> how much ram do u have
[21:49] <Skaag> I think 2gb RAM
[21:50] <balsaq> ok thats cool but ubuntu is using 1.7 gb of my ram doing essentially nothing
[21:50] <balsaq> lubuntu uses less ram
[21:51] <balsaq> i ran it n 512 ram before
[21:51] <Skaag> my app doesn't need a desktop environment, I disable that and just load chromium in a full screen mode so just chromium + x11, it's much slimmer
[21:51] <balsaq> and n old pentium cput
[21:51] <balsaq> ok but wouldnt u take one of it worked as weell?
[21:52] <Skaag> well, our use case is a kiosk so all we really need is a full screen browser :)
[21:52] <balsaq> hmm well some minimal install linux will find u
[21:52] <euxneks> Skaag there is a type flavour of linux specifically for kiosks iirc just a second
[21:52] <balsaq> i know ubuntu has that but ive never tried it
[21:53] <Skaag> euxneks: oh nice!
[21:54] <euxneks> Skaag: this might help: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/ubuntu-web-kiosk#0
[21:55] <balsaq> https://porteus-kiosk.org/
[21:56] <balsaq> cant say i have ever tried it though...
[21:56] <outoftime> I'm using https://www.reaper.fm/download.php#linux_download , according to https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio REAPER have to work, but I have message that is can not connect to server's socket. https://paste.debian.net/1048886/
[21:56] <akem__> Hey, where can i see the printing jobs queue etc on Ubuntu 17.10?
[21:57] <akem__> Nm, i think i found.
[21:57] <outoftime> oops
[21:57] <euxneks> akem__, post for posterity too, I think this channel is logged :)
[21:58] <klow> hey folks,  on 18.04 ,   why would there be /snap/core/XXXX filesystems shown mounted to /dev/loopX  in df -h ,  if I have uninstalled snapd package and rebooted already. What the heck !
[21:59] <akem__> In the main configuration/settings, devices > printers then in front of the printer there is the printers' jobs list.
[21:59] <aleksa123987> hey guys does any one know how to fix the left alt on 18.04, after i press it the window loses focus
[22:00] <akem__> However i can't cancel/remove them jobs :/ i try to print on a network HP envy printer but it doesn't work atm.
[22:01] <ducasse> akem__: 17.10 is eol and unsupported, you need to upgrade to get support here
[22:01] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | akem__
[22:03] <akem__> ducasse, I know...however when i tried 18.04 live USB my Wifi did not work and all my stuff are configured and installed now, so i won't be upgrading i think...maybe i'll try again live USB for the next version...not sure.
[22:04] <akem__> It's an HP pavilion laptop.
[22:04] <ducasse> akem__: you haven't gotten security patches for months
[22:12] <akem__> Yay, i reinstalled the printer it works now! :P
[22:14] <sazawal> How do I find out systemd set environment variables like $MANAGERPID and $INVOCATION_ID for a particular service?
[22:21] <downer06> Has anyone managed to get the finger print reader on a lenovo to work with 17.10?
[22:22] <Bluecoat> Something is wrong with my fonts since I upgraded to 18.10.  I can't put my finger quite on what, but they look wrong somehow.
[22:22] <downer06> sorry  18.10
[22:22] <genii> downer06: 17.10 is long past End of Life and no longer supported, you should move to something that is
[22:26] <genii> middle nipple
[22:26] <sappheiros> could someone please verify https://askubuntu.com/questions/1086930/are-these-miscellaneous-problems-oddities-during-liveusb-normal-lubuntu-18-10 ?
[22:26] <sappheiros> how similar is lubuntu 18.10 to ubuntu 18.10?
[22:29] <Bashing-om> sappheiros: Same kernel, different desktop .
[22:31] <genii> sappheiros: All of the official *buntu distributions use a common base with different desktops and/or desktop manager
[22:31] <hashrack> Good morning, everyone.
[22:32] <guiverc> sappheiros, as you checked disk for integrity, I would trust it & install.  I've done it many times (testing x86 pre-launch during QA process)
[22:33] <sappheiros> 'k thank you
[22:33] <guiverc> sappheiros, is your machine x86 or x86_64?
[22:34] <sappheiros> it's 32-bit, 1.6 GHz CPU from 2006 -- so, i think x86
[22:34] <sappheiros> (oh wow, first 64-bit was 2003)
[22:35] <guiverc> i have x86_64 from way earlier than that, but if it's x86 you'll be fine... a few issues were discovered on x86_64 machines, but x86 (only) were good
[22:36] <sappheiros> how do i check to verify it's 32-bit?
[22:36] <sappheiros> oh, lshw
[22:36] <sappheiros> i'm seeing "width: 32 bits" on various things
[22:37] <genii> sappheiros: sudo lshw -C cpu ...and then look for the "width" line
[22:38] <guiverc> lscpu - if you booted a (~modern) x86_64 & your machine wasn't capable of it - you'd know -- you'll be good with the lubuntu you have as issues on x86_64 showed very early in boot process; if you can use it awhile you've not got issue anyway
[22:41] <sappheiros> yeah thanks it's 32bit
[22:52] <sappheiros> how do i verify my keyboard model?
[22:53] <sappheiros> e.g. "generic 105-key PC"
[22:54] <tomvolek> Hi  newbie:  I am trying to install ubuntu using usb,On the screen to partition the disk i only pick / as the main partition and then pick a swap partition for 25G (remaining space) on my host.   I get a message saying:  The partition /dev/sda1 assigned to / starts at an offset of 565248 bytes from start of this disk.   I have removed and recreated tis patition few times and still the same message .
[22:54] <gcl5cp> Hi, I can't use 18.04 with radeon 5670, i get "not input" in screen and turn to stand-by. In tty4 (ctrl+alt+f4) says in VGA "Kernel driver radeon"
[22:55] <gcl5cp> I am in ubu 16.04, and it works. It uses the same kernel driver "radeon"
[22:55] <nacc_> tomvolek: a 25G swap partition seems incredibly oversized.
[22:55] <tomvolek> sappheiros:   is this what you lookign for ?  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/58117/determine-xinput-device-manufacturer-and-model
[22:55] <sappheiros> my keyboard only has 87 keys
[22:55] <tomvolek> nacc_ i have 32G RAM , its a server
[22:56] <nacc_> tomvolek: ok, i'll assume you've sized it correctly then
[22:56] <sappheiros> tomvolek: maybe not -- i am trying to select the proper keyboard for lubuntu 18.10 installation
[22:58] <sappheiros> tomvolek: i found the Lubuntu Installer has 'Dell Latitude laptop' as an option, so since that's what mine is, i guess i should pick it ...
[22:58] <guiverc_d> sappheiros, for install I'd suggest you only worry about the language (ie. I'm aussie, but select US)
[22:58] <tomvolek> nacc_  I am not sure if the size of swap is the cause of my error .  looks like some sector boundary issue. I am goign to use gparted and partition first and see.
[22:59] <guiverc_d> my last referred to keyboards (ie. us keyboard)
[22:59] <guiverc_d> sappheiros, https://manual.lubuntu.me/ is a link to lubuntu manual (18.10)
[22:59] <sappheiros> thank you
[23:00] <Bluecoat> Has anyone run into fonts going fuzzy with Ubuntu latest?
[23:01] <Bluecoat> like every font just looks awful.
[23:01] <balsaq> i think id run a hardware test on your graphics
[23:01] <Bluecoat> except comic sans. D-:
[23:01] <balsaq> haha
[23:03] <Bluecoat> I played around with the font hinting / antialiasing and it looks slightly better, but not by much.  Something about 18.04->18.10 changed.
[23:05] <balsaq> there is part in setting where u can correct the screen blinding issue buy dimming it
[23:05] <balsaq> u might be experiencing that
[23:05] <balsaq> i set mine to that earlier trying to recall what it is called  ill look
[23:05] <gcl5cp> Additional Info: Radeon 5670 is not working in 18.04, it works in 16.04. Radeon 5450 works in 18.04 (same PC)
[23:06] <Bluecoat> balsaq: blinding issue?
[23:06] <balsaq> bluecoat : try turning nightlight on in settings
[23:06] <qwebirc10811> Hi, after upgrade to 18.04 can't login. So installed clean 18.04 same problem. So installed again with autologin option. Need to login anyway and still only repeat login. Any solution ?
[23:06] <balsaq> it softens the way things look on screen
[23:07] <Bluecoat> balsaq: don't see it.  I'm running Cinnamon as the desktop
[23:07] <balsaq> qweb i think that happens when u make some kinda error about admin or root user
[23:08] <balsaq> not sure if cinnaman has it by default bluecoat
[23:08] <nacc_> qwebirc10811: when you reinstalled, did you keep your home partition, if you have a separate one?
[23:08] <balsaq> it made my screen easier on my eyes
[23:08] <Bluecoat> wait, where'd my ubuntu-restricted-extras and all of it's fonts go!  *reinstalls*
[23:08] <qwebirc10811> nacc_ clean installations, new partions
[23:09] <balsaq> you might try :tweaks  bluecoat
[23:09] <MarkB2> Firefox 63 was installed during an update/upgrade cycle on 18.04 .  They did ..something.. and now Firefox is not allowing me to log into web sites where the password was saved.
[23:09] <MarkB2> Anyone know of a non-broken web browser?
[23:10] <nacc_> qwebirc10811: so when you try to login, does it accept your password? then try to load desktop and then kick you back out?
[23:11] <Bluecoat> balsaq: tweaks crashes when I try to run it.  The restricted-extras package didn't fix it either. :-/
[23:11] <balsaq> ok bluecoat
[23:11] <balsaq> hmmm
[23:12] <qwebirc10811> nacc_ yes, but first time I could see the desktop for three or four seconds. Even started Firefox first time. After that only login again.
[23:12] <qwebirc10811> nacc_ and the same happened after each clean installation
[23:12] <balsaq> bluecoat is cinnamon lxde?
[23:13] <Bluecoat> balsaq: no, it's a gnome3 derivative.
[23:13] <nacc_> qwebirc10811: which session are you trying to login to? (e.g. ubuntu on xorg, ubuntu on wayland) there is a little gear at the login screen
[23:13] <balsaq> i used it for a bit when it was new seemd really polished too me
[23:14] <guiverc_d> MarkB2, there was change (by mozilla) in the way passwords were stored (from my vague memory), which affected people in a certain circumstance (order they did things), it was mentioned on ubuntu podcast (I think) plus blogged about somewhere - I can't find it currently sorry
[23:14] <qwebirc10811> nacc_ don't know the diff
[23:15] <nacc_> qwebirc10811: you don't need to know, but which one are you using?
[23:15] <qwebirc10811> nacc_ 18.04 LTS desktop
[23:16] <nacc_> qwebirc10811: not what i asked. which session? xorg, wayland, etc. check the gear
[23:16] <qwebirc10811> nacc_ ok, need reboot back soon
[23:17] <balsaq> bluecoat were u all up todate before u tried it
[23:17] <Bluecoat> balsaq: ayup.
[23:17] <balsaq> damn gnone 3 tweak is supposed to work
[23:17] <balsaq> i wonder if some dependency is somehow missing
[23:18] <guiverc_d> MarkB2 - this may be different to your issue, but best I can find - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1765304  (it's not what I remember, but can't find that sorry)
[23:20] <balsaq> i wasnt going to install another browser but maybe i should
[23:26] <balsaq> i recall using tweak long time ago and it broke something hehe at 1st it seems really cool though
[23:27] <balsaq> bluecoat: long shot but u my try a diff vid driver...
[23:28] <Bluecoat> balsaq: is Intel, there's just the one.
[23:29] <balsaq> yeah ok like mine
[23:29] <JFox762> Hi
[23:29] <balsaq> my screen is 1366x768 res but imsure ur on the right screen res too huh
[23:30] <JFox762> I have NordVPN as a VPN service
[23:30]  * Bluecoat just needs to convince wife that he needs to drop on a bigger and better monitor.
[23:30] <JFox762> and they just recently released a Linux Terminal Client for their VPN
[23:30] <Bluecoat> balsaq: yikes, that's teeny. :P
[23:30] <JFox762> previously, you had to use OpenVPN
[23:30] <Bluecoat> but yes, native resolution
[23:30] <JFox762> coupled with a Network Manager plugin
[23:30] <balsaq> yeah thois my older experimental laptop hehe
[23:30] <JFox762> and import the VPN settings files
[23:31] <JFox762> problem is, it is a pain in the ass to add all the servers into the VPN list...
[23:31] <balsaq> is it a VGA connection?
[23:31] <JFox762> Problem is
[23:31] <balsaq> i guess i would play around with the connection and the control on the monitor itself a lil bit
[23:31] <JFox762> that when I activsate the VPN Via Network Manager
[23:32] <Bluecoat> balsaq: god no, it's the future dude. :)
[23:32] <Bluecoat> hdmi.
[23:32] <JFox762> it shows an indicator that shows that the VPN is on
[23:32] <JFox762> but when I activate the VPN via the NordVPN Client
[23:32] <JFox762> it doesn't show it
[23:32] <balsaq> any chance something is off a bit there?
[23:32] <JFox762> the only way to check tha tmy VPN is still connected
[23:32] <JFox762> is to type NordVPN Status in the terminal and read the output
[23:33] <JFox762> Is there a way to create a simple program that basically does
[23:34] <JFox762> "If output of "NordVPN Status" = "Connected" then Show Indicator in Titlebar?
[23:34] <JFox762> Im not a programmer
[23:34] <JFox762> so I dont know how to do that
[23:36] <balsaq> i suppose i should try hdmi on my gaming desktop bluecoat is it reallu a lot better than dvi?
[23:37] <balsaq> i have a nice nvidia 960 4gb on that one and a 24in screen
[23:37] <Bluecoat> balsaq: I'm gonna try switching to KDE Plasma.
[23:37] <balsaq> hmmm good idea
[23:43] <balsaq> would be interesting to learn just switching desktop environ could fix an issue with icon clarity
[23:43] <Bluecoat> different font renderers.
[23:44] <balsaq> ru gonnas just add kde or insall something like kubuntu?
[23:44] <nacc_> JFox762: that seems like a question for nordvpn
[23:52] <Bluecoat> balsaq: plasma-desktop.  I already use SDDM as the login manager
[23:56] <balsaq> did it fix the problem?
[23:59] <balsaq> so you prolly have all kinds of desktops ready to go...do u have any with the wallpaper motion shots running?