[16:18] <ometzit> Hello everyone, I'm trying to reinstall ubuntu because of modem issues, I upgraded to 12.04 and the wifi doesnt work, neither the wired connection. I already tried reinstalling the broadcom drivers but is useless, would it be easier just reinstall ubuntu from scratch?
[16:18] <DuncanT> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6909920/ for an example
[16:18] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: which broadcom do you have?
[16:19] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: sudo lshw -C network    will tell you
[16:19] <ikonia> DuncanT: you'd need the lines above that
[16:21] <DuncanT> ikonia: The lines above that are standard dmesg doing it's normal thing... apparmour audit lines in this case
[16:21] <TJ-> DuncanT: "O" means an out-of-tree module is loaded
[16:22] <DuncanT> TJ-: That makes perfect sense, thanks
[16:22] <TJ-> DuncanT: For a fuller explanation of the symbols see the kernel's Documentation/oops-tracing.txt
[16:22] <aguitel> how install propietaries driver for this :ATI Technologies Inc RV370 secondary [Sapphire X550 Silent] ?
[16:22] <DuncanT> TJ-: Much appreciated
[16:22] <ActionPa1snip> aguitel: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[16:22] <jhutchins> !ati
[16:23] <aguitel> ActionPa1snip, Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS
[16:23] <ometzit> ActionPa1snip: BCM4313
[16:23] <aguitel> ActionPa1snip, this is old pc
[16:23] <ActionPa1snip> aguitel: it is no longer supported on the desktop
[16:24] <aguitel> ActionPa1snip, radeon does not working
[16:24] <ActionPa1snip> aguitel: I sugget you upgrade to Precise which you can do in one jump (lts to lts is fully supported)
[16:24] <ActionPa1snip> aguitel: your release is no longer supported on the desktop, only in server where the OS is pure CLI
[16:24] <ActionPa1snip> aguitel: try Lubuntu 12.04, it is light and airy
[16:24] <jhutchins> ometzit: Which release was working for you?
[16:29] <Pinkamena_D> I have a persistant wifi network that ubuntu always attempts to connect to after turning on wifi called 'attwifi'
[16:29] <ometzit> ActionPa1snip: i don't remember hehehe based on the screenshots of the default wall paper in previous releases I would say it is 10.04
[16:30] <Pinkamena_D> it is not in the list of known networks, how can I remove it?
[16:30] <bazu> gwibber on ubuntu 12.04 for facebook not working
[16:30] <bazu> hot to fix it
[16:32] <Rory> !details | bazu
[16:32] <c2tarun> Hi, is there any application which can backup ubuntu data and can restore on Windows as well as Mac? (cross platform backup tool)
[16:33] <kkkkk> HI all, I burned a data DVD was having a file greater than 2gb , using K3B and this DVD is working properly in windows but not in Linux,  dvd spins and nothing happens, then i googled a bit and mounted it using sudo mount /dev/sro/ /cdrom and then DVD mounted in /cdrom, but why this is not happening automatically
[16:33] <kkkkk> for UDF files
[16:33] <Rory> Pinkamena_D: Can you please run the command "nmcli con"?
[16:33] <Rory> Pinkamena_D: Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[16:33] <bazu> ubuntu 12.04.4 x64 and when i start gwibber and go to add account and try to add facebook account the error masage is this: App Not Setup: The developers of this app have not set up this app properly for Facebook Login.
[16:33] <hitsujiTMO> c2tarun: rsync
[16:34] <ometzit> how do I send a private message to keep easier track of a support conversation?
[16:34] <Rory> ometzit: depends on your client, but usually "/msg username some text here"
[16:34] <Rory> !pm | ometzit however
[16:34] <Rory> bazu: I googled "Ubuntu 12.04 gwibber facebook not working" and this was the first link http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/fix-facebook-not-working-with-gwibber.html
[16:34] <Rory> bazu: You're welcome
[16:35] <bazu> rory i try that and doesnt work for me
[16:35] <bazu> account page not open when change the code
[16:35] <ometzit> ok, or if I put the reply of a question here starting with the username will it be highligthed automatically for said user?
[16:36] <kkkkk> HI all, I burned a data DVD was having a file greater than 2gb , using K3B and this DVD is working properly in windows but not in Linux,  dvd spins and nothing happens, then i googled a bit and mounted it using sudo mount /dev/sro/ /cdrom and then DVD mounted in /cdrom, but why this is not happening automatically
[16:36] <aguitel> ActionPa1snip, with lubuntu will be support with the vga card Sapphire X550 Silent?
[16:38] <Rory> bazu: Can you please install the "pastebinit" package using the command: "sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit" - then share the contents of the file in question with the command: "pastebinit /usr/share/gwibber/plugins/facebook/__init__.py"
[16:38] <Rory> bazu: That will give you a URL, which you should share in this channel
[16:38] <ometzit> ActionPa1snip my previous version was 10.04
[16:39] <Rory> kkkkk: Do other CD's/DVD's mount automatically? Or does it affect every disk you try in the drive?
[16:39] <bazu> rory sorry can you copy becouse i click on clean not ot copy :D
[16:40] <Rory> bazu: Sorry? Run the following command (the part after the colon) in a terminal:
[16:40] <Rory> sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit; pastebinit /usr/share/gwibber/plugins/facebook/__init__.py
[16:40] <Rory> err there's no colon, just run that whole line ^
[16:41] <she_dyed> with the pastbinit, i suppose...
[16:41] <bazu> rory: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6910031/
[16:43] <Rory> bazu: Did you run afterwards: "killall gwibber-service" and then "gwibber-service &"
[16:44] <bazu> yup
[16:46] <Rory> bazu: It looks like a bug was filed, and a later version has hit pre-release upgrades
[16:46] <ometzit> shall I reask my question? I think ActionPa1snip is busy lol
[16:46] <Rory> bazu: enable the "Pre-releace updates (precise-proposed)" in Software Sources, then install the "gwibber-service-facebook" package, and then disable that repository again
[16:46] <bazu> ty
[16:48] <Rory> bazu: Comment #14 on this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/962535
[16:48] <share> ikonia: how can I destroy my Ubuntu partition
[16:49] <bazu> rory you are nice man, thank you
[16:49] <Rory> No problem, glad I could help :)
[16:53] <ometzit> I'm having problems with my WiFi after updating to 12.04, I already attempted reinstalling the Broadcom (BCM4313) but it was useless, and after many changes I think it is easier to re install Ubuntu, there is a message saying that a partial installation must be attemped, however the update manager freezes
[16:54] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: try upgrading in terminal, bit easier and the output is useful
[16:56] <ometzit> ActionPa1snip upgrade ubunto from 12.04 to 13.10 you mean?
[17:03] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: no, and you'd need to upgrade to 12.10 first
[17:03] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: then to 13.04, then to 13.10
[17:03] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: in a terminal, run:   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade     what is output?
[17:04] <gravyandfries> hey guys, anyhone willing to assist me with finding info on how to host a server for free from my home computer? I have been looking but i am really new and just trying to find a platform to start on and build off of
[17:04] <phesco> google
[17:04] <daftykins> gravyandfries: what do you want to run from home?
[17:04] <she_dyed> its a bit extensive to cover here in chat
[17:04] <gravyandfries> just a small website that can transfer files for my family to share family photos
[17:05] <gravyandfries> just a link would be helpful
[17:05] <gravyandfries> i can't find anything that is what i want
[17:05] <ometzit> ActionPa1snip: 227 updated 0 to install 0 to remove and 15 no updated
[17:05] <she_dyed> would dropbox work
[17:05] <gravyandfries> everything wants me to register a free hostname. I just want my "ip-address".sitefile.com
[17:05] <FiremanEd> gravyandfries: This is a little old but it can give you some info. http://linuxhomeserverguide.com/
[17:05] <gravyandfries> its for one of my college classes. It has to be home made.
[17:06] <gravyandfries> thank you guys. I appreciate the help :D
[17:06] <she_dyed> well we'd be helping you cheat
[17:06] <ometzit> it said impossible to obtain the packages, since i dont have internet working
[17:06] <daftykins> gravyandfries: you could just setup a dynamic DNS service from no-ip instead of buying a hostname
[17:06] <daftykins> *buying a domain name
[17:06] <she_dyed> ok thats a start right there
[17:07] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: ok, get the stuff that can be updated, updated
[17:08] <ometzit> yup but the problem is that neither the wifi or the wired connection works (i'm connected through another computer)
[17:08] <gravyandfries> am i able to host a website without a dns? by just setting a static ip?
[17:08] <ometzit> I mean I'm in this IRC through another computer ubuntu is in a dell laptop
[17:09] <ActionPa1snip> gravyandfries: you can 'get a website' using no-ip.com free account
[17:09] <daftykins> gravyandfries: your internet connection likely won't have a static IP
[17:09] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: get updated and seehow you go
[17:09] <daftykins> also DNS != domain name
[17:09] <bitspark> for making home server http://www.server-world.info/en/
[17:10] <gravyandfries> I am accustom to Visual Studio Programming so I feel like im drowning when im in this class haha thanks guys for the links im sure ill be back :P
[17:13] <Rory> gravyandfries: Come back and read that line you just said in two years when you're writing makefiles for your makefiles
[17:16] <ometzit> \
[17:18] <kerosene413> hello ubuntu room
[17:18] <leslibotelho> hello
[17:18] <kerosene413> how are you this monday
[17:18] <gravyandfries> how do dns companies get the domain names? Why cant i do that as well like them? All the internet is is a Giant WLAN with millions of LANS right?
[17:18] <Rory> kerosene413: Mind your language in here with the "m word" please
[17:19] <ometzit> but the problem is how to get updated without internet connection, there are several packages that need an update but neither the wifi or the wired connection are working
[17:19] <gordonjcp> gravyandfries: kind of, not WLAN as such though
[17:19] <gordonjcp> gravyandfries: you can look into becoming a domain name reseller
[17:19] <she_dyed> yes, but to keep things organizedd theres orgs like ICANN
[17:19] <Rory> gravyandfries: people in ##networking are pretty knowledgeable about networking, although that is somewhat more of a "where to start?" type of question
[17:19] <gordonjcp> gravyandfries: the actual domain registries ultimately tie back to ICANN
[17:20] <gordonjcp> gravyandfries: there is nothing to stop you running your own DNS and using whatever you like as a domain name
[17:20] <Rory> gravyandfries: I could call my street whatever I wanted to my friends, but that wouldn't make letters arrive at my made-up postal address
[17:20] <daftykins> remember people you're doing someones homework
[17:20] <daftykins> and not only that, but none of it is ubuntu support
[17:20] <Rory> Oh gravyandfries is this an assignment? The answers are in your lecture notes
[17:20] <daftykins> :P
[17:21] <kerosene413> what m word there fucko
[17:21] <Rory> "the answers are in your lecture notes" is one of my favourite things to say, along with "no problem, just restore from your most recent backup"
[17:21] <gravyandfries> actually kind of is, im using ubuntu to do setup a server as our final lol :D our teacher is having us research it cause our class is networking and we are learning about cisco routers and junk
[17:21] <Rory> kerosene413: It was a joke about "Monday", I apologise
[17:21] <gordonjcp> !language | Rory
[17:22] <gordonjcp> Rory: :-p
[17:22] <phesco> gravyandfries: google lamp server..
[17:22] <Rory> !lamp | gravyandfries
[17:22] <gravyandfries> lol, i saw lamp, combining all those
[17:22] <gravyandfries> I understand that, im just caught up on the dns
[17:23] <daftykins> gravyandfries: trust me, don't argue points :)
[17:23] <phesco> http://www.noip.com/
[17:23] <daftykins> you're mixing up domain names with DNS - they're not the same thing
[17:23] <daftykins> i also mentioned noip ages ago, which phesco has kindly linked you to now
[17:23] <daftykins> you have more than enough to get cracking
[17:24] <phesco> ah sry I missed some of the thread.. is he just being lazy now?
[17:24] <she_dyed> he is not aware his instructor logson too
[17:24] <gravyandfries> haha, I guess I was just lost on it yet. The whole DNS and Domain name and why i need to register a domain. Ill just look through what you guys led me to.
[17:25] <phesco> Good idea. You have tools to find the answers now.
[17:25] <c4iff> So just installed AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i386linux_enu.deb, yet if pdfs still open with the older version and If I try and open Adobe 9 manually nothing happens
[17:25] <wad> So about a month ago, I installed Ubuntu 13.10 64-bit desktop edition on my HP desktop computer. It has an NVidia video card in it. lspci shows: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [NVS 510] (rev a1)
[17:25] <wad> It's using the Nouveau drivers.
[17:26] <wad> It works about 20% of the time.
[17:26] <wad> When it boots, I can login to X, but it usually locks up at that point.
[17:26] <wad> Sometimes it doesn't lock up, and I get to my desktop.
[17:26] <wad> I just keep cycling the power until it works.
[17:26] <wad> This morning it took be about 15 minutes to get the thing up and running.
[17:27] <wad> The system generates "Problem detected" dialogs regularly. I always have them send in the bug reports. The issues are always with xorg.
[17:28] <wad> Any of you guys know of some magic sauce I can pour into the case, that will fix the problem?
[17:28] <she_dyed> bleach, kills the dna
[17:28] <phesco> vegetable oil
[17:29] <phesco> just unplug the fans first
[17:29]  * wad rushes off to Costco
[17:29] <phesco> ;)
[17:29] <ActionPa1snip> wad: have you tried other desktops than Gnome?
[17:29] <she_dyed> oh
[17:29] <wad> ActionPa1snip, I'm just using the default one.
[17:30] <wad> ActionPa1snip, is the default Gnome? I haven't really messed with desktops before.
[17:30] <she_dyed> ditto, not bad no work scheduled today \o/
[17:30] <lmat> I've asked about vnc a few times in here. Never got any good answers (because the problems were pretty complex). I just found the good answer to *all* vnc server (vino) questions:
[17:30] <lmat> use x11vnc
[17:30] <lmat> Okay, I've only used x11vnc for about 5 minutes, but it is *very* promising!
[17:31] <ActionPa1snip> wad: yes it's gnome, try installing xfce4 or lxde
[17:31] <lmat> VERY flexible, runs from cmdline, options out the wazoo, etc, etc, etc.
[17:31] <wad> ActionPa1snip, okay, I'll give it a try.
[17:31] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: no sleeker way to achieve your goal?
[17:31] <Pici> wii lmat
[17:31] <Pici> oops
[17:31] <ActionPa1snip> wad: you'll need to log off then log in to the new session to test
[17:31] <wad> ok
[17:32] <wad> Ah, you can choose a desktop at login?
[17:32] <ActionPa1snip> wad: yes
[17:32]  * wad googles xfce4 and lxde
[17:33] <ActionPa1snip> wad: they are package names
[17:33] <lmat> Pici: What's meant by wii ?
[17:33] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: Sleeker than x11vnc ? There is no sleeker as far as I can tell.
[17:33] <she_dyed> think thats a tiling window manager
[17:33] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: what do you do on the remote session when you are connected?
[17:33] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: view only.
[17:34] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: bt to do what?
[17:34] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: to spy on the user?
[17:34] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: what does bt mean ? I am running a Windows virtual machine so that I can
[17:34] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: yes.
[17:34] <Pici> lmat: mistab
[17:34] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: and that's it?
[17:34] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: I'm running Lync because everyone at my company does. So, in order to share my screen, I need to set a VNC viewer
[17:35] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: on the windows machine, and have it view the host, linux machine.
[17:35] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: Then, lync can share the vnc viewer to the rest of the team.
[17:35] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: oh like a broadcast system for support?
[17:35] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: Alternatively, we use Adobe Connect (same problem, although that *might* run on Linux if I really want it to)
[17:35] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: No. It's for meetings. We're programmers, and sometimes, someone wants to have a meeting and have me show them something, etc.
[17:36] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: ahhh makes sense
[17:36] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: But it could be as you say.
[17:36] <skinux> What do we do with source that has autogen.sh, but not configure script?
[17:36] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: Right. *Very* basic use of vnc. I was using vino, and one day, the screen stopped updating on client!
[17:37] <she_dyed> skinux: but no README.1st file
[17:37] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: you can use tmux, then the person can connect to your tmux session and type in your terminal just like you would
[17:37] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: http://askubuntu.com/questions/81318/remote-desktop-view-krfb-vnc-not-updating-on-client
[17:37] <OerHeks> is there a Flappy-Bird for linux?
[17:37] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: HAHA!
[17:37] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: very cool
[17:37] <wad> ActionPa1snip, what are some other options? XFCE and LXDE appear to be very lightweight. I'll give them a try, but I'm wondering if there are other options too. I don't really need lightweight (8-core i7 3.4 GHz, 16 GB RAM, etc)
[17:37] <clocknet> ciao
[17:37] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: The developers here *only* use windows, only want to use windows, only use mouse, etc., etc.
[17:37] <EugeneBandit> Hello! Is there any problem possible when renaming the original folders in home ? For example : mv Desktop folder00 ?
[17:37] <Jabo> OerHeks: http://www.helicoptergame.net/
[17:37] <ActionPa1snip> wad: if the other desktops are without issue, you have isolated the cause of the problem
[17:37] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: lame
[17:37] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: So, this was my exact problem. And the solution was to install a new server. I was squeemish at first, but now *very* enthusiastic!
[17:37] <wad> ActionPa1snip, gotcha.
[17:37] <Jabo> OerHeks: Flappy Bird is a clone of that game, which is also a clone
[17:38] <OerHeks> thanks Jabo, i'll have a look
[17:38] <Jabo> different graphics but same game mechanic
[17:38] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: tmux is awesome in that way, saves having to get up and point at each others screen as you can typein each others terminals and code
[17:38] <fred``> is this the right chan for trusty bugs ?
[17:38] <nikolam> I have only wireless network card working and not UTP LAN. It is Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5721 and is not working now, once I changed motherboard.
[17:39] <ActionPa1snip> fred``: #ubuntu+1
[17:39] <fred``> thx
[17:39] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: I'm very familiar with tmux. In fact, the last few lines of by ~/.bashrc are   if [ -z "$TMUX" ]; then tmux; fi
[17:39] <OerHeks> Jabo, now i understand why the maker revokes this game, thanks again
[17:39] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: *very* lame.
[17:39] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: :(
[17:39] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: My productivity is x5 I think because I use linux!
[17:39] <kerosene413> hey anyone heard of Windows Antivirus master malware
[17:39] <kerosene413> hey anyone heard of Windows Antivirus master malware
[17:39] <kerosene413> hey anyone heard of Windows Antivirus master malware
[17:40] <kerosene413> ????
[17:40] <tyler_d> !spam
[17:40] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: I have a reasonable OS, but their OS is Eclipse IDE
[17:40] <lmat> kerosene413: you're a virus.
[17:40] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: by definition not :)
[17:40] <OerHeks> kerosene413, wrong irc channel, join ##windows
[17:40] <kerosene413> nope im a client
[17:40] <tyler_d> !ask > kermit
[17:40] <lmat> kerosene413: Pardon me, you're acting like a virus ^_^ stop it.
[17:41] <kermit> tyler_d: i think you meant that for someone else
[17:41] <tyler_d> I did indeed kermit :p
[17:42] <tyler_d> sorry
[17:42] <she_dyed> think so too
[17:42] <tyler_d> kerosene413, is the intended party
[17:42] <theukdave> Any ubuntu gurus and/or database admins that are UK or London based, please give me a shout, we have some freelance work going to tidy up our installation, and I'm looking for someone who really knows their stuff ... unlike me :)
[17:42] <ActionPa1snip> theukdave: please spam elsewhere
[17:43] <theukdave> ActionPa1snip: how's that spam?
[17:43] <ActionPa1snip> theukdave: this is support only, for people with ubuntu issues.
[17:43] <lmat> theukdave:  /topic ?
[17:43] <lmat> theukdave: guru.com, however, might be an excellent place to find your gurus :)
[17:43] <ActionPa1snip> theukdave: and advertising unwantedly is considered spam
[17:44] <theukdave> ActionPa1snip: I'm looking for some onsite help, I don't have to pay them if that helps it not be spam
[17:44] <ActionPa1snip> theukdave: do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[17:44] <wad> ActionPa1snip, maybe you can deconfuse me... is "Gnome" the name of  Ubuntu's default "window manager"? What is "unity" and "compiz" and "lightdm" then?
[17:45] <ActionPa1snip> wad: Ubuntu's default window manage is Compiz.  All the linux gui thingies are getting muddled in my brain.
[17:45] <ActionPa1snip> wad: lightdm gives you the graphical login screen
[17:45]  * wad takes noes
[17:45] <wad> notes
[17:45] <ActionPa1snip> wad: the X11 / Xorg is the disaply server that it all sits on
[17:45] <lmat> wad: I spent some time with wikipedia: lookup Desktop Environment, desktop manager, window manager, x server
[17:46] <tyler_d> how do I set up a hotkey for enabling/disabling my touchpad?
[17:46] <ActionPa1snip> wad: lots of people think unity replaces gnome, but it doesnt
[17:46] <OerHeks> tyler_d, most laptops have such FN key
[17:46] <tyler_d> OerHeks, Mine does not function :(
[17:46] <CaptainTacoSauce> Okay hopefully this is an easy one. I install remmina, it works. I install remmina-plugins-nx, it installs, but doesn't show in plugins in remmina, but /usr/lib/remmina/plugins/remmina-plugin-nx.so exists, what do?
[17:46] <tyler_d> see what I did there
[17:47] <ActionPa1snip> CaptainTacoSauce: did you compleely close remmina, then reopen it?
[17:47] <wad> ah
[17:47] <ActionPa1snip> wad: its all about layers
[17:47] <Caerdwyn> Anyone happen to know what ntfscluster is used/called for during a shutdown/reboot/halt? I keep getting the command's help output constantly when I turn off my laptop :|
[17:47] <wad> I need to find the diagram that shows the layers
[17:47] <Caerdwyn> http://i.imgur.com/9UCBfLG.jpg
[17:47] <niee> hi folks. sometimes my sound stops. I need to restart my OS ];
[17:47] <kzetts> Hi, I had to use nomodeset to get the disk to boot, now my gfx resolution isnt listed. How do I set a new mode without using xorg.conf?
[17:47] <ActionPa1snip> wad: you can perform X forwardikng becuse the Xorg layer can be moved to a remote PC and the OS doesn't care
[17:48] <CaptainTacoSauce> ActionPa1snip: Haha derp, how did I miss that? I closed it but there was some leftover process running. Thanks.
[17:48] <ActionPa1snip> CaptainTacoSauce: needs killing and reopening to load the new stuff
[17:49] <ActionPa1snip> wad: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Schema_of_the_layers_of_the_graphical_user_interface.svg
[17:49] <OerHeks> tyler_d, this answer might be any help >> http://askubuntu.com/a/182531
[17:49] <CaptainTacoSauce> Makes sense, just surprised closing it didn't stop the process, either way, solved. :D
[17:50] <wad> thanks!
[17:50] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: See if you can find it mentioned in the init scripts, with "sudo grep ntfscluster /etc/init{,.d}/*"
[17:51] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: no results.
[17:51] <tyler_d> OerHeks, listed, but no effect on input when doing that
[17:51] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: OK, so must be some sub-script of those
[17:51] <wad> ActionPa1snip, that's a great diagram, thanks! Where does lightdm fit in there? I don't think it has anything to do with the display manager, does it replace the graphical interface?
[17:51] <wad> Just for logging in.
[17:52] <ActionPa1snip> wad: lightdm loads first, then you login and it loads the desktop things as instructed
[17:52] <OerHeks> tyler_d, maybe logout/login to activate new keys?
[17:52] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: I've been digging through the rc6.d and rc0.d folders all day, haven't found a thing yet that it could be... I uninstall ntfs-3g since ntfscluster seems to be some part of that package, and I get http://i.imgur.com/jsiMFLo.jpg
[17:53] <nikolam> Is BTRFS is or will be supported in next LTS?
[17:53] <ActionPa1snip> nikolam: yes
[17:53] <tyler_d> OerHeks, that wouln't much help on the fly though... and the input can be changed from the mouse settings
[17:53] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: That seems to suggest it is a VirtualBox related issue
[17:53] <wad> Which one of those boxes does, say, lxde replace? Is it the "graphical interface"?
[17:53] <ActionPa1snip> wad: it replaces gnome/kde etc
[17:53] <tyler_d> OerHeks, I was unable however to find what is being run to do that from the settings
[17:53] <wad> Ah, okay.
[17:53] <ActionPa1snip> wad: you can run Compiz + Unity in LXDE if you wish :)
[17:53] <nikolam> ActionPa1snip, with using set-default for volumes before reboot for changing active subvolume, or is there some support for changing GRUB2 items?
[17:53] <ragnarula> can someone help? How do i get invited to the programming channels like #c++ or #java?
[17:53] <nikolam> ActionPa1snip, that is good news
[17:54] <ActionPa1snip> nikolam: no idea, not something I use, try i n#ubuntu+1 when Trusty is discussed and support (til release day)
[17:54] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: So VirtualBox is messing around with ntfscluster? That's really odd, I've never seen something like that before, though it was only just recently I installed Windows 7 on another harddisk, using a raw .vmdk file (raw access to the hard disk)
[17:54] <nikolam> ActionPa1snip, ok, thanks
[17:55] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: No, not necessarily, but VB looks to be the 'thing' that is last done prior to the error report
[17:55] <wad> Okay, so I  installed lxde, logged out, but didn't see any way to choose which graphical interface I wanted to run on login. I clicked everything I could find to click....
[17:55] <wad> Did I miss something, or am I looking in the wrong place?
[17:56] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: is there a way to see what exactly is being done during shutdown, i.e., viewing what exactly is being killed/closed before it turns off? Basically, a verbose shutdown...
[17:57] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, enable syslogging
[17:57] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: not much more than you alreayd have, by its nature, core services are being stopped.
[17:57] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: as in, /var/log/syslog? If I remember correctly, syslogd is already active...
[17:58] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, you may want to offload the messages to get more logging details from the system though
[17:58] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: ah, so there isn't really a verbose way of showing each kill command, or what is being done, other then just "*All Processes ended in 1 second"
[17:58] <ActionPa1snip> wad: its the little logo near your username
[17:58] <lmat> wad: ActionPa1snip: aye, excellent diagram!
[17:58] <wad> ActionPa1snip, Ah, okay.
[17:58] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: I don't understand what you're asking... offload them how? to what?
[17:58] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Here's the thing: If the cause was another Ubuntu package, it would "Depend" on "ntfs-3g", and so removing "ntfs-3g" would cause the other package to be removed as well. Therefore, this suggests whatever is causing the issue is either 1) a user-created configuration option or 2) a non-Ubuntu package installation
[17:58]  * wad tries again
[17:58] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: But what's a desktop manager ?
[17:59] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, what is it exactly you are looking to discover from the shutdown process? What I am saying is that for finite logging offload the syslogs to a syslog server for viewing afterwards...
[17:59] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, but pending what information you are looking for and why we may be able to better help.
[18:00] <ActionPa1snip> lmat: lmat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
[18:00] <darren> hey all
[18:00] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: http://i.imgur.com/9UCBfLG.jpg <-- "ntfscluster" is being called twice during the shutdown process at the very last moment, spewing out its help information
[18:00] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: what I want to know is what process or script is calling it, and how can I stop it?
[18:01] <darren> Must say, i have experimented with linux for the past year but in the last 2 weeks, i have really started to understand linux a lot more
[18:01] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, have you checked running services? searched for reference in your init.d?
[18:01] <darren> and linux is really great when you take time to learn the new system ><
[18:02] <lmat> darren: Welcome!
[18:02] <TJ-> tyler_d: Yes, we've already done that
[18:02] <Caerdwyn> ^
[18:02] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: I'm wondering if it is related to a fuser or system un-mount script/operation
[18:02] <lmat> ActionPa1snip: I see, so it's a particular approach to the "GUI" layer in the diagram.
[18:02] <skinux> Help with this please: make[2]: *** [examples] Error 255
[18:02] <skinux> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/skinux/Downloads/gegl/gegl/docs'
[18:02] <tyler_d> TJ-, Caerdwyn so you did `sudo grep -Rl ntfscluster /etc/*`
[18:03] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: grepping for "ntfscluster" in any of the scripts in /etc/init.d has shown 0 results, and there is no other results either from digging in /etc/rc6.d or /etc/rc0.d
[18:03] <daftykins> darren: that's wonderful, but this is a support channel :)
[18:03] <lmat> looks like we lost wad ActionPa1snip ^_^
[18:03] <ActionPa1snip> just making new users at work (zzzzzzzzzzz)
[18:03] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: I thought the same thing, but I've not been able to find it yet. /etc/rc6.0?/S60unmountfs has many mount commands in it, but nothing that appears to be calling ntfscluster
[18:03] <darren> I do have some questions :p but i think im in the wrong channell.. I want to look into how to use my programming hobby to do some programming for linux system and for linux OS's ...
[18:04] <darren> but just realised this is ubuntu server
[18:04] <bazhang> ##programming darren
[18:04] <niee> hi folks. sometimes my sound stops. I need to restart my OS ]; any ideas?
[18:04] <darren> thanks
[18:04] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, so you did the recursive grep from /etc/ and came up with nothing?
[18:05] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d:
[18:05] <Caerdwyn> edward@ubuntu:~$ sudo grep -Rl ntfscluster /etc/*
[18:05] <Caerdwyn> grep: /etc/blkid.tab: No such file or directory
[18:05] <Caerdwyn> That's it.
[18:05] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, disable the service, reboot, ensure it's actually running (ps -ef) and shutdown
[18:06] <tyler_d> pelase
[18:06] <gravyandfries> Hi guys! Back again :P curious real quick would Bind9 be used in ubuntu 13.10 to setup a hostname to connect from anywhere or would I still need a DomainName Provider like no-ip or dyndns?
[18:06] <tyler_d> please too :)
[18:06] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: what service?
[18:06] <tyler_d> is it not installed as a service Caerdwyn
[18:06]  * Caerdwyn is still relatively new to ubuntu
[18:06] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: no, ntfscluster is a binary at /bin/ntfscluster
[18:06] <daftykins> gravyandfries: no you're confusing DNS and domains again, they're not the same thing
[18:06] <ActionPa1snip> gravyandfries: you would need  a web facing DNS to resolve the name to your IP
[18:07] <tux_fan> smbdy an idea how to fix this : eth0: Failed to load firmware "tigon/tg357766.bin" ?
[18:07] <ActionPa1snip> gravyandfries: you need to get a service online which will translate the name to your IP
[18:07] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, `service --status-all | grep "ntfscluster"`
[18:07] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: which Ubuntu version is this?
[18:07] <tux_fan> eth0 is working though, but not the integrated (broadcom netXtreme) sd card reader chip
[18:08] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: 13.10
[18:08] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: http://i.imgur.com/ysLy0B7.png
[18:09] <TJ-> tyler_d: Caerdwyn: Something other than the ntfs-3g package is responsible, since there's a ntfs-3g shared-library error after the "ntfs-3g" package is uninstalled
[18:09] <gravyandfries> Well I have the 13.10 installed and running and i went ahead and installed LAMP and Samba. So ill just have to use my local host and have it connect to the dyndns/no-ip host name? Correct? Just don't wanna ruin the pc I have to test on.
[18:09] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: That's what I thought too, but /what/ it is though has got me stumped.
[18:10] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: What, if anything, have you installed or customised that isn't a part of the standard Ubuntu archives?
[18:10] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, strange, try that without the quotes around ntfscluster please
[18:10] <Caerdwyn> I've had VirtualBox on this machine for a while now, and this /just/ started happening recently, within the past few days. Only recently installed packages within the past week have been HexChat, xosview, and MultiBit
[18:10] <franco014> hola
[18:10] <franco014> }
[18:10] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: same results as the first time
[18:10] <franco014> :P
[18:11] <tyler_d> Caerdwyn, those aren't matches though so I'm a tad bit confused
[18:11] <Caerdwyn> tyler_d: same here...
[18:11] <franco014> hola ahy alguien ahy
[18:12] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Long shot, but look for mentions in the executable paths: "for f in /{s,}bin/* /usr/{s,}bin/* /usr/local/{s,}bin/*; do if file $f | grep -q POSIX ; then grep -l ntfscluster $f; fi; done"
[18:12] <Luilakde1e> Hi. Am I only missing some logic in this picture and what possibly could be the reason it's doing this? http://ubuntuone.com/11N3Glchi9uaazPEtg02ca
[18:12] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: anything I've installed, minus Steam and MultiBit, has been from the Ubuntu repo, so I've not made any major changes to the machine, other then my own customization tweaks like backgrounds and transparency of the unity panel
[18:13] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: 0 results on your command
[18:13] <tyler_d> TJ-, why would that grep have shown all the unmatched stuff from service --status-all?
[18:14] <Caerdwyn> Be right back, it appears a breaker blew downstairs, power went out >_<
[18:14] <daftykins> gravyandfries: ok, wow. a service such as NoIP - all it does is publish to the internet that your home internet-facing IP address (visit whatismyip.com or look on your router webpages to see it) is returned when someone types yourdomainchoice.no-ip.biz - understand?
[18:14] <lmat> When I sudo apt-get upgrade, gcc is still at 4.6. Is Ubuntu unimpressed with gcc 4.7 or something ?
[18:15] <daftykins> !latest | lmat
[18:15] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: tyler_d: Because service writes to stderr. Do "  service --status-all 2>&1 | grep "ntfscluster"   "
[18:15] <lmat> daftykins: Gotcha. I'll leave out the, "But we're talking about gcc, here! 4.6.3 is way old!" bit ^_^
[18:16] <daftykins> ;)
[18:16] <daftykins> lmat: just be sure your PPAs are pointing to a good source, for the versions you're being told
[18:16] <tyler_d> TJ-, ty sir.
[18:17] <xjkx> I can't take screenshots...I run openbox, and when I run by command line the gnome-screenshot, it says this "** Message: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11." and I tried import -w root picture.jpg but I get an almost all black picture
[18:17] <gravyandfries> daftykins: Gotcha, gotcha, ok. I apologize. Today is the first time I have EVER used linux/Ubuntu and networking past a LAN. So thank you. I do appreciate the help!
[18:17] <xjkx> Running 13.10 64 bits
[18:17] <daftykins> gravyandfries: so once you have a dynamic DNS service running, such as from no-ip, you need to install a client at home to keep that address up to date
[18:18] <Luilakde1e>  To clarify my earlier picture (http://ubuntuone.com/11N3Glchi9uaazPEtg02ca) I keep running out of diskspace, or so my system wants to make me believe. I've deleted all large files. Checking disk usage, my home folder implies I'm using the full 30 gig. My home folder appears to imply otherwise. Any clues?
[18:18] <daftykins> gravyandfries: once you've done that - you need a service to actually be running and open externally to the internet, so others can reach it. for example a web server. this will require port forwarding on the router.
[18:18] <gravyandfries> yup, i already adjusted the ports. I have them forwarding on 8080.
[18:18] <TJ-> Caerdwyn:  tyler_d: *something* is linked against ntfs-3g that isn't part of the Ubuntu repositories, or a package in the repos doesn't correctly "depends" on ntfs-3g, for this error when "ntfs-3g" package isn't installed http://i.imgur.com/jsiMFLo.jpg
[18:21] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Let's pretend we think it is caused by VirtualBox. Look in "/etc/init.d/" and "/etc/init/" for any obvious VB service scripts. If you find one/some, try manually stopping each one in turn and seeing if you get the same error at the console, so "sudo service XXXXX stop"
[18:23] <xjkx> (13.10, 64 bits) I can't take screenshots, I run openbox, and when I run by command line the gnome-screenshot, it says this "** Message: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11." and I tried import -w root picture.jpg but I get an almost all black picture
[18:23] <tyler_d> fun stuff.
[18:24] <tyler_d> xjkx, personally I prefer shutter :p
[18:25] <xjkx> tyler_d: thanks will give it a try
[18:26] <niee> ubuntu buged system
[18:26] <zykotick9> xjkx: scrot is a very minimal screenshot app - you might want to try
[18:26] <xjkx> zykotick9: didnt know this one either, will try as well thanks
[18:27] <zykotick9> xjkx: fyi, it's terminal based - if that's an issue for you
[18:27] <c4iff> Having some issues with libstdc++ and getting adobe reader 9.5 to work
[18:27] <callemann> Hi, just installed Ubuntu 13.1 on a Macbook Core 2 duo
[18:27] <xjkx> zykotick9: Ah I dont mind it
[18:27] <ometzit> Hello everyone, one question: how can I reinstall Ubuntu, from Ubuntu is there a way to open the Ubuntu installer while running it, I want to re install my distribution but I don't have a pen drive or a dvd nearby
[18:27] <callemann> Everything is good, except my trackpad does not work
[18:28] <callemann> Not sure how to troubleshoot.
[18:29] <TJ-> ometzit: You can reinstall one or more packages using "sudo apt-get --reinstall install <packages>" but it's not possible to run the ubiquity installer against the running system
[18:29] <nikolam> Does removing application removes also packages that were installed as dependencies?
[18:29] <gravyandfries> Wow, got all that info and everything and my ISP wont support website hosting... guess im just making a normal little file storage with ubuntu. Have a good one guys!
[18:29] <nikolam> Or separate command is needed to list and remove them
[18:29] <TJ-> nikolam: If it doesn't "sudo apt-get autoremove" will
[18:31] <callemann> can anyone helt me with a non-functioning trackpad?
[18:31] <ometzit> TJ- how do I issue that command for all the packages
[18:31] <TJ-> ometzit: What are you *really* trying to do/fix ?
[18:31] <ometzit> on the other hand, I'm without internet
[18:32] <TJ-> ometzit: "apt-get --reinstall install ..." will work without network access *if* the packages are still in "/var/cache/apt/archives/"
[18:32] <ometzit> fix the wired-wireless conection. I have a broadcom card and I have made so many changes to the blacklist that I feel it would be easier just to reinstall ubuntu
[18:32] <zykotick9> TJ-: seems like a waste of time to me...
[18:33] <ActionPa1snip> gravyandfries: just buy a domain on 123reg then point the IP to your router's wan IP. done
[18:33] <ometzit> to the blacklist and everything else
[18:34] <TJ-> ometzit: Without an installer ISO or network access I'd suggest it'd be much easier to clean up the current mess :)
[18:35] <waigoren> Does ubuntu automatically set sysctl : fs.file-max or /proc/sys/fs/file-max ?
[18:36] <ometzit> :( okay, the card is a BCM4313, I think the problem is that I used a wrong driver
[18:36] <lmat> huh-oh...I sudo apt-get purge gcc-4.6   and it removed a lot of stuff...I'm scared to restart now.
[18:36] <lmat> Apparently unity desktop (or was it gnome desktop) was removed ? and vim ? eek...
[18:36] <ActionPa1snip> waigoren: if you set things in /etc/sysctl.conf   you can make them be what you wish
[18:36] <ometzit> the card is actually recognized, but is stuck in asking for the wifi password but it doesnt log in
[18:37] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: are there lots of networks on the same channel around you?
[18:37] <waigoren> ActionPa1snip: what I'm seeing is, file-max is already set to different numbers on different servers in my environment (I'm the only sysadmin, no one else is setting them)
[18:37] <TJ-> ometzit: Well, that sounds like some kind of success. I'd be looking at the Network-Manager entries in "/var/log/syslog" since they are usually very descriptive of what is going on
[18:37] <ometzit> yup a hell lot I'm in a student complex
[18:38] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: on the same channel?
[18:38] <ActionPa1snip> ometzit: then thats the issue, switch to a less busy channel
[18:38] <xdotcommer> does rc.local always run as root
[18:38] <ActionPa1snip> xdotcommer: yes
[18:39] <ActionPa1snip> xdotcommer: you can use su to make commands run as a different user
[18:39] <xdotcommer> I am running: screen /mine/scrip.sh
[18:39] <ometzit> let me try that in a second, TJ- what info should I look in the syslog
[18:39] <xdotcommer> but it does not seem like its started by root
[18:39] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: back, sorry... Power went out -_-
[18:39] <ometzit> the last entry is NetworkManager 1046 couldn't disconnect supplicsnt interface: this interface is not connected
[18:40] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: in /etc/init.d, there is vboxautostart-service, vbosballoonctrl-service, vboxdrv, and vboxweb-service.
[18:40] <TJ-> ometzit: Anything and everything ... ensure for starters it is trying to authorize against the access point you expect it too. In a crowded space their may be identical SSIDs
[18:40] <ActionPa1snip> xdotcommer: then run:  ps -ef | grep scrip.sh | grep -v grep | awk {'print $1'}
[18:40] <ActionPa1snip> xdotcommer: what is output?
[18:40] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: No worries. OK... as I said, try stopping each of those in turn and seeing if you get the same error at the console
[18:41] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: You've got to narrow down the possibilities since the cause isn't obvious. That will either rule in or out the vbox services
[18:41] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: stop each one and see if it shows that error immediately? or reboot each time? I only see that error during shutdown/halt/reboot
[18:41] <ometzit> okay i'm going to copy a few lines to a (how was the name of the page where you can copy the output and it gives you a short url?)
[18:41] <Caerdwyn> ometzit: pastebin it?
[18:42] <zykotick9> !paste | ometzit
[18:42] <ometzit> yup, thnks
[18:42] <ometzit> ah much better
[18:42] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Just stop each one in turn. You're looking for any service that causes the error. At shutdown all services are called with "stop" - you're simulating that manually.
[18:43] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: ah, so a "sudo service xxx stop" now would throw that error in the terminal if it was the cause?
[18:43] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: We hope :)
[18:43] <Caerdwyn> or in this case, "/etc/init.d/service stop"
[18:43] <Voyage> how to give full access to everyone for a dir?
[18:43] <Voyage> by console
[18:43] <ometzit> okay here is the syslog (a few lines) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6910608/
[18:44] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: "service" executable will look for both Sys V and Upstart jobs
[18:44] <zykotick9> Voyage: the the dir in question on an EXT partition?
[18:44] <zykotick9> s/the the/is the/
[18:44] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: http://i.imgur.com/dwK83RA.png
[18:44] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: The other way to do it is "sudo initctl stop <jobname>"
[18:44] <ometzit> network name is TheWalkingNet (funny name)
[18:44] <Caerdwyn> Alright, didn't know that one
[18:45] <Voyage> zykotick9,  yes
[18:45] <Dbugger> Hey guys. I just apt-get installed phpmyadmin, but in localhost/phpmyadmin appears nothing. Can someone give me a hand?
[18:45] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: but as you can see, no errors... This is really weird :|
[18:45] <bazu> i use thunderbird for mail client and irc client on my ubuntu 12.04.4 x64 but when press "x" a.k.a close just kill the service but doest stay in notification area
[18:45] <zykotick9> Voyage: "chmod 777 /path/to/dir"
[18:45] <Voyage> zykotick9,  if its an ntfs?
[18:46] <zykotick9> Voyage: then you CAN'T use gnu/linux tools!  it has everything to do with how it's mounted.
[18:46] <zykotick9> Voyage: is it ntfs?
[18:46] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: OK, how about pastebin/screenshot for me "ls -l /etc/rc6.d/"  ?
[18:46] <Voyage> zykotick9,  yes
[18:46] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: lets focus on the shutdown scripts themselves
[18:46] <zykotick9> Voyage: i can't/won't help - good luck.
[18:46] <Voyage> zykotick9,  thanks
[18:46] <ometzit> most recent login attempt in line 1000 gives Feb 10 19:38:18 luis-laptop wpa_supplicant[1239]: Association request to the driver failed
[18:46] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: http://i.imgur.com/DbR35WH.png
[18:48] <bazu> i use thunderbird for mail client and irc client on my ubuntu 12.04.4 x64 but when press "x" a.k.a close just kill the service but doest stay in notification area
[18:48] <Jetien> Hi! Just installed 13.10 x64 and something seems to be wrong with policy system. 1) I can't create network connections in nm-applet 2) if i try to start synaptic i'm not asked for a password and nothing happens 3) aplay -l shows me no soundcards, even though as root i can play sound -  I think these are all related. Can you please me find out the source of these errors?
[18:48] <d4rk4g3s> hello.
[18:48] <robbiebob> hello
[18:49] <uporot> hi
[18:49] <d4rk4g3s> is there a way to boot an ubuntu usb on a mac?
[18:49] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Can you pastebinit this output? "ps -efly"  ... I want to investigate the running process list for clues
[18:49] <d4rk4g3s> just for temporary use, like as a liveusb, not for installations.
[18:49] <Caerdwyn> !pastebinit
[18:49] <Caerdwyn> Hmmm, lemme install that real quick, TJ-
[18:49] <ometzit> i'm going to try the switching to another band method in the mean time, i'll be back
[18:50] <bazu> d4rk4g3s: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[18:50] <robbiebob> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[18:50] <robbiebob> for bootable usb
[18:50] <Rallias> Is there something like wireshark but for PCIe instead of network?
[18:51] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6910647/
[18:51] <uporot> bazu: cool! i too do usb flash for mac
[18:52] <xjkx> Gftp doesn't record my password for ftp, does anyone recommend me another ftp client, or how to make it record at least ?
[18:53] <robbiebob> filezilla perhaps?
[18:53] <bazu> filezzila
[18:53] <administrador> a
[18:53] <administrador> hola
[18:53] <uporot> heil!
[18:54] <xjkx> Thanks will try filezilla
[18:54] <administrador> me voy a windows
[18:54] <administrador> :P
[18:55] <zykotick9> ftp must die!  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[18:55] <tyler_d> zykotick9, bit old don't you think? most have already read everything from wooly
[18:55] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Does this happen even if you do not have the two NTFS file-systems (/dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc2) mounted?
[18:56] <zykotick9> tyler_d: if people are asking about saved ftp passwords - obviously not everyone has read it/or understood it ;)
[18:56] <tyler_d> fair enough
[18:56] <Jetien> Okay different question: How do you find out the error of an 'apport' dialog to pop-up?
[18:57] <Jetien> I get 3 at session start
[18:57] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: yes. Right now, my laptop is plugged into a hub which has a 2TB external hard disk, a 500gb external (both NTFS, the ones you see), a iPod, and flash drive on it. Whether or not any of that is attached (the laptop is alone, no attached devices), it still throws that error, regardless.
[18:57] <tyler_d> Jetien, strace? increase logging level of the application directly... run from a terminal....
[18:57] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: ok, that is helpful since it suggests that it's not a process launched by an un-mount operation
[18:58] <Jetien> tyler_d, I don't know which applications are crashing - there are just 3 pop-ups saying 'System program problem detected'
[18:58] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: ok?
[18:58] <tyler_d> Jetien, there must be more details available either in the dialog or alternately in /var/log/something.....
[18:58] <Pici> Jetien: there should be files in /var/crash/
[18:58] <Jetien> tyler_d, already checked. nothing in syslog
[18:59] <tyler_d> Jetien, what about the other logs
[18:59] <tyler_d> Jetien, still kern, Xorg, dmesg
[18:59] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: We know there's a problem even when ntfs-3g package is uninstalled, so something has a link to it that shouldn't have
[19:00] <Jetien> nothing in lightdm/lightm.log
[19:01] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: something interesting I tried earlier (while the error was happening), I "sudo mv /bin/ntfscluster /bin/ntfscluster.bak && touch /bin/ntfscluster && chmod +x /bin/ntfscluster" to see if a reboot/halt would ignore that command... Nope. It still somehow called the help of ntfscluster and printed it all over the shutdown "log", as shown in the screenshots.
[19:01] <Jetien> No (EE) in Xorg.0.log
[19:01] <Jetien> Nothing ordinary in /var/log/dmesg
[19:01] <tyler_d> Jetien, the error must be more verbose than simply stating a failure I should think?
[19:01] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: did it thinking that "well, maybe if it sees an empty executable in /bin, it'll ignore it and shutdown gracefully". Nope, it figured it out and still called the normal /bin/ntfscluster anyway.
[19:01] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: really? that *is* interesting. Have you looked for other installs of a non-Ubuntu ntfs-3g package?
[19:02] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: "find /usr/local/ -type f -name '*ntfs*'  "
[19:02] <Jetien> tyler_d, yes i suspect something like ssh-agent failing
[19:02] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: no results, went immediately back to the shell.
[19:03] <Jetien> there are no recently-created files in /var/crash
[19:03] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: OK, had to be too easy :)
[19:03] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: ...what?
[19:03] <Jetien> the three pop-ups only have buttons 'cancel' and 'report problem' - why..
[19:04] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: I mean, finding the cause is going to be a lot more difficult that a simple search like that :)
[19:04] <Xuisce_> Hi all
[19:04] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: Oh, of course... if it were that simple, I wouldn't have had to figure out where this irc channel was, and call for help from people with actual experience xD
[19:04] <tyler_d> Jetien, that's quite frustrating if it doesn't show you what it is that has pooped.
[19:04] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: How about "locate ntfscluster"
[19:04] <Pici> Jetien: iirc, "report problem" gives you a window that lists what would be submitted, and in there you should see more info.
[19:05] <Caerdwyn> TJ-:
[19:05] <Caerdwyn> sudo mv /bin/ntfscluster /bin/ntfscluster.bak && touch /bin/ntfscluster && chmod +x /bin/ntfscluster
[19:05] <Jetien> Pici, nothing happens when i click that button
[19:05] <Caerdwyn> whoops
[19:05] <Caerdwyn>  /bin/ntfscluster
[19:05] <Caerdwyn>  /usr/share/man/man8/ntfscluster.8.gz
[19:05] <Jetien> that is probably also related to the other problems :)
[19:05] <Jetien> the most frustrating thing is that it's a fresh 13.10 install
[19:06] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: I think it's time for brute-force and ignorance... and a little time: "sudo grep -rn ntfscluster /usr/lib/*"
[19:06] <Jetien> I already tried a different desktop environment. same issues there
[19:06] <Rory> "I think it's time for brute-force and ignorance" - #ubuntu, feb 2014
[19:06] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: "brute force and ignorance". I like you.
[19:06] <Caerdwyn> XD
[19:06] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: You'll like my big hammer even more, then :)
[19:07] <Caerdwyn> :o
[19:07] <Caerdwyn> man, I like you guys already...
[19:07] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: I've been doing extensive web-searches for any utilities that might make use of ntfscluster. Aside from some ddrescue scripts, I cannot find anything.
[19:08] <Caerdwyn> Aye, I've had the same luck here as well... Spent about 4 straight hours today so far, researching what in the world could possibly be using this "ntfscluster" program, other then it appears to be a part of the ntfsprogs/ntfs-3g package
[19:09] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: http://i.imgur.com/aWEmNS1.png
[19:09] <Caerdwyn> You're not gonna like me very soon, I can tell :P
[19:09] <Caerdwyn> Nothing you've given me command-wise has turned up any results... ._<
[19:09] <daftykins> lol posting an image of command line output
[19:09] <Caerdwyn> >_<*
[19:09] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: If there were an NTFS mount, then I could understand another ntfs-3g tool calling it... but when you've got no NTFS mounts, that doesn't make sense... and the fact you get the help showing suggests a script is calling ntfscluster with the wrong arguments
[19:09] <daftykins> Caerdwyn: paste.ubuntu.com :)
[19:10] <Caerdwyn> daftykins: I did it just to prove there was really nothing, rather then showing an empty pastebin :P
[19:10] <daftykins> the pastebin wouldn't be empty, it'd show exactly that! with less wasted blackspace i might add...
[19:10] <Programmer_> anyone run google chrome?
[19:10] <Caerdwyn> daftykins: yeah, yeah, I know...
[19:11] <tyler_d> Programmer_, yes
[19:11] <Programmer_> you having issues with it tyler_d?
[19:11] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: That's what I would have thought too, but like you've seen so far, nothing either of us has searched for, script-wise, has turned up anything related to ntfscluster, or any type of command that is trying to call it :\
[19:12] <tyler_d> Programmer_, be more specific please
[19:12] <Programmer_> getting a "your profile could not be opened correctly" error every time you open chrome
[19:12] <Jetien> i'm trying to switch lightdm->gdm . If i don't come back that means it fixed my problems
[19:12] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: which was why I asked earlier, was there a way to have a debug/verbose output on shutdown, showing each command used to kill/unmount/un-whatever the applications that have to shutdown before the machine either turns off, or reboots.
[19:13] <tyler_d> Programmer_, nope. sounds like you should move your profile and open it again sir.
[19:13] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: I have an idea... although your previous attempts to replace /bin/ntfscluster suggest it won't help. replace it with a script that simply writes out its command line and parent process id and that process's info too
[19:13] <Caerdwyn> Seeing "*Asking remaining processes to terminate" tells me practically nothing, other then the fact that is a pre-written statement in one of the shutdown scripts. It doesn't actually /tell/ you what is going on, what applications could be hanging, causing the error, nothing.
[19:14] <Programmer_> ok
[19:14] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: The upstart init program handles this and there's no way to ask it to be more verbose, that I am aware of
[19:14] <tyler_d> Programmer_, something like this I can only assume --> http://askubuntu.com/questions/32706/profile-error-when-launching-google-chrome
[19:15] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: oh, that just sucks... I would've thought having something blurt out debug messages about the shutdown in the same manner that you can have a verbose boot would be a "thing" :|
[19:15] <Programmer_> ok
[19:16] <Guest23348> somebody use lirc on ubuntu
[19:16] <zykotick9> !anyone | Guest23348
[19:19] <Guest23348> i need help for configure lirc on ubuntu
[19:20] <nikolam> I figured out why I was always disgusted when ever starting software center in ubuntu/xubuntu. It is the thing that I can not make it display ONLY Free software applications...
[19:20] <Rory> Guest23348: You can set a more friendly nickname with the "/nick" command - for example to change my name to Rory I typed "/nick Rory" (without the quotes)
[19:20] <Rory> Guest23348: You should describe what you're trying to achieve, and what problems you're having when you try to do it
[19:20] <nikolam> An yes, license: "Open source" is not informative at all.
[19:20] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Another try: "   OLDIFS=$IFS; IFS=":"; for d in $PATH; do sudo grep -l ntfscluster $(readlink -e $d)/* 2>/dev/null; done; IFS=$OLDIFS    "
[19:21] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: The only output I'd expect is "/bin/ntfscluster"
[19:21] <zykotick9> nikolam: if you want only free software, perhaps you're using the wrong distro...
[19:21] <nikolam> zykotick9, no. you are wrong
[19:22] <Caerdwyn> Nope TJ-, there was 4. /sbin/killall5, /bin/ntfscluster, /bin/ntfscluster.bak (my backup), and /bin/pidof
[19:22] <hochbanane> help
[19:22] <Rory> nikolam: Does Synaptic provide that functionality? I think you can organise by repository, and Ubuntu's repositories are somewhat organised by licence
[19:22] <hochbanane> dpkg: Warnung: Parsen der Datei »/var/lib/dpkg/status«, nahe Zeile 10044 Paket »libproxy1-plugin-networkmanager«:
[19:22] <hochbanane>  Feld »Depends«, Referenz auf »libc6«:
[19:22] <hochbanane>  implizite exakte Übereinstimmung mit Versionsnummer, vielleicht stattdessen »=« benutzen
[19:22] <hochbanane> dpkg: Warnung: Parsen der Datei »/var/lib/dpkg/status«, nahe Zeile 10044 Paket »libproxy1-plugin-networkmanager«:
[19:22] <hochbanane>  Feld »Depends«, Referenz auf »libc6«:
[19:22] <hochbanane>  Wert für Version beginnt mit nicht-alphanumerischem Zeichen, vielleicht ein Leerzeichen hinzufügen
[19:22] <hochbanane> dpkg: Fehler: Parsen der Datei »/var/lib/dpkg/status«, nahe Zeile 10044 Paket »libproxy1-plugin-networkmanager«:
[19:22] <hochbanane>  Feld »Depends«, Referenz auf »libc6«: Version enthält » «
[19:22] <hochbanane> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[19:22] <OerHeks> nikolam, i use synaptic to avoid thos paid apps
[19:22] <Caerdwyn> holy hell o.o
[19:22] <Caerdwyn> !pastebinit | hochbanane
[19:22] <Rory> nikolam: Ubuntu includes non-free software. Also you're not really asking a support question, more just joining and ranting, which is highly encouraged in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:22] <nikolam> yes, but unfortunately, software center could be something better Rory , but yes, I use synaptic. Software center was disgusting from day1
[19:23] <Rory> nikolam: Cool, everyone wins =)
[19:23] <nikolam> Rory, well, it includes non-free if you want to install it. Ubuntu is Not the mix of open source/closed source. people tend to install closed source, but ut is saying more about people then Ubuntu.
[19:24] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: OK, now I'm suspicious
[19:24] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: about what?
[19:24] <nikolam> Also if i want especially to see what I can purchase and select to see just that, I see unhealthy list...
[19:25] <OerHeks> nikolam, do you have a real support issue?
[19:25] <nikolam> So it feels unhealthy in general to mix spywar (closed source) apps that you sell, with free software (and not "open source")
[19:25] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: About why those files mention ntfscluster. Can you "strings /sbin/killall5 /bin/pidof | pastebinit"
[19:26] <Caerdwyn> TJ-:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/6910866/
[19:26] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: line 132, ntfscluster.c
[19:26] <Rory> !fud | nikolam #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:26] <Caerdwyn> and 142 it seems
[19:26] <nikolam> OerHeks, I report general affect to users from the day one of software center. I also report that Program License is NOT displayed in software center, before installing applications and that goes against terms and services of applications.
[19:26] <Pici> nikolam: then file a bug
[19:27] <nikolam> I report a bug (RFE) that "open source" is not valid license for displaying apps in software center.
[19:27] <nikolam> Ok Pici
[19:27] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: And *there* is the issue!
[19:27] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: you say that, yet I have no clue what you're talking about... What part of this is the issue?
[19:28] <Rory> nikolam: That's the sort of thing that it would be good to discuss on this mailing list maybe https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[19:28] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Those strings outputs... you've managed to replace "/sbin/killall5" and "/bin/pidof" with (the contents of) "/bin/ntfscluster"
[19:28] <VlanX> can I read anywhere the logs for my tftp transfers with /etc/xinetd.d/tftp ?
[19:28] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: I honestly have no clue how, since I've never modified those files, nor even been /in/ the directories those are contained in
[19:29] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Let's try a reinstall of those packages: "sudo apt-get --reinstall sysvinit-utils"
[19:29] <nikolam> ok Rory
[19:29] <John_John_> how to install mono in ubuntu 13.10 ?
[19:29] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: sudo apt-get install --reinstall
[19:29] <OerHeks> nikolam, license, it is displayed > http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-NQwsIQLj.1392060573.png
[19:30] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: sorry, yes
[19:30] <Rory> John_John_: Are you wanting to develop Mono applications, or just run an application that needs mono? What application are you trying to run?
[19:30] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: it's ok, it's reinstalled, saying "ureadahead will be reprofiled on next reboot". Is this a good thing?
[19:30] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: That explains why, with ntfs-3g package installed, you saw the ntfscluster help and when the package was uninstalled you got a shared-library missing error
[19:30] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: That is fine
[19:31] <John_John_> Rory: first of all thanks for trying to help cause i am very serious about it
[19:31] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: awesome... Let me reboot and see if this all disappears... brb
[19:31] <nikolam> OerHeks, NO it is not displayed. "open source" is not the license. You are wrong.
[19:31] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Now, when you run "strings /sbin/killal5 /bin/pidof | grep ntfs" you shouldn't get any output
[19:31] <John_John_> my need is to run asp.net 4.0 applications
[19:31] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Now, when you run "strings /sbin/killall5 /bin/pidof | grep ntfs" you shouldn't get any output
[19:32] <Pici> OerHeks: nikolam means it should display "GPL v2" or "MIT" or whatever
[19:32] <John_John_> i have no problem to develop in windows(mono) if that's better.
[19:32] <nikolam> Pici, yes and with link to actually reading license before installing. And that also goes for closed applications.
[19:32] <John_John_> so to recap: only asp.net. and 4.0 is a must.
[19:33] <nikolam> but it is best to report bug/rfe and discuss on mailing list, anyways
[19:33] <John_John_> and to run in linux preferably ubuntu but not a must
[19:33] <OerHeks> Pici, i see, that may be a valid point to do a bugreport
[19:34] <OerHeks> nikolam, if you do, i would love to confirm this bug, it will speed up
[19:34] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: I've got to say, you sir are a life saver. It worked just as expected. Thank you SO much for all your help, I really appreciate it! :)
[19:34] <John_John_> Rory: are you still there ?
[19:34] <Caerdwyn> You too, tyler_d :)
[19:34] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: The question is, how did that happen? The only way I can think...
[19:34] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: Honestly, I have no clue.
[19:35] <nikolam> OK OerHeks  but would also generate a lot of work to link it all to present apps et.
[19:35] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: ... is that there was a file-system error at some point and somehow the same inodes (belonging to "/bin/ntfscluster") were used for "/sbin/killall5" and "/bin/pidof"
[19:35] <Rory> John_John_: Sorry, yes
[19:35] <John_John_> Rory: it's ok did you hear what i asked ?
[19:35] <Rory> John_John_: You should just install the package "mono-complete"
[19:36] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: If so, that raises the potential that other files are similarly affected but much harder to detect
[19:36] <OerHeks> nikolam, i think all you need is to mention 3 apps, to prove your point, as what i would do.
[19:36] <Rory> John_John_: I'm pretty sure that includes Mono 2.10.something
[19:36] <nikolam> ok OerHeks
[19:36] <John_John_> Rory: ok but from google i saw that it includes version 2.10.
[19:37] <John_John_> Rory: that's right. but now there is version 3.2 i think
[19:37] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: ok, so what should I do about this? Schedule the machine to run an fsck on the next reboot to check and make sure everything is in tact? If not, how would I go about fixing this?
[19:37] <John_John_> Rory: does 2.10 support asp.net 4.0 ?
[19:37] <John_John_> Rory: i need that information badly
[19:37] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: I don't know of a command like windows' "sfc /scannow" that checks and repairs corrupted system files...
[19:39] <Rory> John_John_: Do you have 64-bit Ubuntu? If so, there's a third-party PPA here which has a number of upvotes on StackOverflow, which provides a version of Mono 3.2. Only Mono 3.0 and up supports asp.net 4.x. The link is here http://stackoverflow.com/a/13384233/736253
[19:39] <Rory> !ppa | John_John_
[19:39] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Try this, don't worry about "No such ..." messages, but you should only see "/bin/ntfscluster" ... "sudo find / -type f -samefile /bin/ntfscluster"
[19:39] <fla_> hello. lap_1 connects to ext_display and shows good colors on lap_1_display BUT lacks red color on ext_display. lap_2 shows good colors on both displays (lap_2_display and ext_display). so is it possible that hardware on lap_1 can send color red to lap_1_display but not ext_display? if not, how can i fix software color issue? thanks! :)
[19:40] <Rory> fla_: Is it possible the port on lap_1 is faulty?
[19:40] <Rory> fla_: It's more likely than a weird software issue
[19:40] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: yes, very first line is "/bin/ntfscluster", but now it mounted and is scanning my 2tb and 500gb external hard disks...oh god, this'll take forever
[19:40] <LumberJackTeam> what fs ?
[19:41] <genii> fla_: You used the same cable both times on ext_display ?
[19:41] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: It shouldn't automount anything that isn't already mounted. You can break out (Ctrl+C) and unmount those first
[19:41] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: errr, not automount, rather, it's scanning all mounted drives (apparently this machine is automounting all connected devices on boot)
[19:42] <LumberJackTeam> btrf doesn't need fsck
[19:42] <LumberJackTeam> ntfs?
[19:42] <rogerio> alguém sabe como fazer funcionar o impressora epson l355 no ubuntu 13.10?
[19:42] <fla_> Rory: ok, so maybe the VGA port itself isn't working on pin 3 for example?
[19:43] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: Yes... You can break out (Ctrl+C) and then do "sudo umount /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdb1" and then re-run the command
[19:43] <genii> !es | rogerio
[19:43] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: It finished. Very first result was /bin/ntfscluster, then 5 "No such file or directory" lines, so it appears all is well...
[19:43] <fla_> i wonder if i can switch VGA port from lap_2 to lap_1?
[19:43] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: The file-systems are automounted by your log-in process when the USB devices are detected - you can tell by the fact they are mounted to directories under "/media/edward/"
[19:44]  * Caerdwyn nods
[19:44] <Caerdwyn> Yep, they're all there.
[19:44] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: OK, looks like you may be OK. If you get any other unexpected file-system related issues, I'd suggest the cause is previous file-system corruption. Reinstalling affected packages should sort it out.
[19:44] <LumberJackTeam> me frowns at automount
[19:45] <Caerdwyn> TJ-: Awesome! Thank you again for everything :)
[19:45] <TJ-> Caerdwyn: You're welcome; it was a very *interesting* scenario!
[19:45] <Caerdwyn> ..yes, it was :P
[19:46] <Rory> fla_: Exactly. If you have another external monitor to try, you could tell straight away
[19:46] <LumberJackTeam> #ubuntu the land of make belive
[19:46] <TJ-> !ot | LumberJackTeam
[19:47] <LumberJackTeam> are there any gpt related tools?
[19:48] <OerHeks> gdisk
[19:48] <TJ-> LumberJackTeam: "apt-cache search gpt"
[19:50] <c4iff> Trying to install Adobe via the instructions listed here http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/09/ubuntu-13-10-quick-tip-install-adobe-reader/,  still getting an error regarding libstdc++ being 64 bit though
[19:51] <LumberJackTeam> who still uses adobe reader?
[19:51] <LumberJackTeam> ff now supports pdf
[19:52] <c4iff> LumberJackTeam: I have a specific requirement to use Adobe
[19:52] <fla_> Rory: sadly i have identical laptops (with different hardware components non-functional on each) but one ext_display. so here's another question, under SystemSettings > Color, is there anything i can do there to diagnose and/or remedy?
[19:53] <FiremanEd> LumberJackTeam: Be helpful, not critical :)
[19:54] <Rory> fla_: I wouldn't really know where to start diagnosing a software issue
[19:54] <davidfetter_disq> hello
[19:54] <davidfetter_disq> has anybody got tips on how to run multiple slony (logical replication system for PostgreSQL) clusters from one machine?
[19:55] <davidfetter_disq> there's already some very nice wrappers for multiple instances of PostgreSQL itself. i was wondering whether there's something analogous to this for that replication system
[19:56] <FiremanEd> c4iff: Did you check to see if it was in the repositories yet, that article was from September of last year
[19:58] <fla_> Rory: ok, well thanks for VGA port idea and if you know how to patch a BIOS so it accepts a new wireless card on POST, let me know. thanks again
[19:58] <Pici> davidfetter_disq: You might want to ask in #postgresql as well, if you dont get any answer here.
[19:59] <davidfetter_disq> Pici, this is a pretty distro-specific thing, and i'm a regular over there :)
[19:59] <joshtekmobile> Why would screen randomly close out?
[19:59] <klomp> trying to follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[19:59] <klomp> my settings don't match the Virtual Hosts section
[20:00] <klomp> By default, there is one site available called 000-default. FALSE
[20:00] <vill> bonsoir
[20:01] <Pici> davidfetter_disq: you might want #ubuntu-server then too :)
[20:01] <iamgiri>  /msg NickServ identify 986559361
[20:01] <klomp> the default: sites-available/default
[20:02] <klomp> the site-enabled are 000-default
[20:02] <zykotick9> iamgiri: time to change your password
[20:02] <iamgiri> zykotick9: yes
[20:02] <genii> iamgiri: and possibly change your phone number
[20:02] <iamgiri> genii: :(
[20:08] <iamgiri> Hey guys my ubuntu 12.04 freezes often,  I can move my mouse. My keyboard not working too. I'm having this headache for more than 5 months. Can someone he me to overcome this issue? I have to restart my PC for each freeze
[20:08] <iamgiri> Typo: I can't move my mouse
[20:10] <natural> micro emergency, i disabled work spaces in my unity-tweak, and i lost everything on my desktop. can someone please help me out?
[20:11] <darthanubis> natural, you should not have lost everything from that action alone.
[20:12] <natural> i was trying to get hotcorners to work, and the last thing i did was disable workspaces then renable it but everything went away, all i have is right click, and termina from cntrl alt 't' thats how i got here.
[20:13] <natural> do you know how to run ubuntu-tweak from terminal?
[20:13] <SonikkuAmerica> natural: [ ubuntu-tweak ]
[20:13] <natural> with the brackets?
[20:13] <SonikkuAmerica> No
[20:13] <natural> command not found
[20:14] <SonikkuAmerica> (The [ ] are just indicative of the fact that it's in terminal)
[20:14] <SonikkuAmerica> natural: Did you install it?
[20:14] <Seveas> natural: open /home/YOURLOGIN/Desktop in the file browser. Your files should still be there :)
[20:14] <natural> thanks
[20:14] <Seveas> isn't it unity-tweak or unity-tweak-tool?
[20:15] <Seveas> or just type 'u' (no quotes) and us <tab> to tab complete :)
[20:15] <natural> when i minimize the terminal window, it disappears, and i dont know how to get it back. my unity bar is gone too.
[20:15] <roasted_> Question - I removed the icon in my Unity launcher for external drives. How do I get them back?
[20:16] <natural> no tab complete
[20:17] <Zooklubba> Ubuntu + Huawei E398 == failure? I cant get network-manager to show me the mobile broadband option
[20:17] <natural> so no way to just get my desktop back?
[20:18] <mikehaas763> Hi, this isn't ubuntu or even linux specific but #opensource only has 15 people in it. I figured this is probably a good place. Is there any generic forms out there that can be used in a business to make requests to the business to release a library to open source?  I use this command: sudo modprobe -r rt2x00pci. It wont work. Fatal: Module ... is still in use.
[20:20] <alexxa20> It's for wifi
[20:20] <alexxa20> I tried turning off wifi, still cant remove module
[20:20] <Zooklubba> how the fawk do I get Huawei E398 (usb modem) to work :S
[20:21] <bekks> alexxa20: lsmod shows you which modules stull use that module in question.
[20:21] <chemist^> !details | Zooklubba
[20:21] <Zooklubba> chemist^: As in, it's not working (not showing, just like I already have written) in network manager. It's visible using lsusb
[20:22] <Zooklubba> I got usb_modeswitch on the computer, I dont have vwdial tho
[20:23] <alexxa20> so, when I find which module uses this one, what shall I do?
[20:23] <natural> chemist^, got it, watched a vid by quidsup, this guy is my fav, and i had to run ccsm and enable unity plugin, thanks
[20:23] <bekks> alexxa20: unload the modules, then unload the module in question.
[20:23] <chemist^> Zooklubba, have you tryed "making a new connection" and there choosing mobile broadband?
[20:23] <Zooklubba> yep
[20:23] <Zooklubba> so many times
[20:24] <alexxa20> unloading is done via this command: modprobe -r ?
[20:24] <chemist^> Zooklubba, is the device working on other machines?
[20:24] <bekks> alexxa20: or just rmmod
[20:24] <Zooklubba> yes
[20:24] <alexxa20> thanks
[20:25] <alexxa20> done
[20:25] <chemist^> Zooklubba, you may need to install additional drivers in order to get that device to work in ubuntu, i honestly don't know if it's supported
[20:25] <alexxa20> I'm following one instruction from launchpad (it's about fixing non-working wifi) :)
[20:25] <chemist^> you could try installing windows drivers, if you can't find linux
[20:25] <chemist^> with ndiswrapper or smth like that
[20:25] <alexxa20> so removing the module is the one middle step
[20:26] <Zooklubba> chemist^: My googlefu obviously shows that people have managed to do it with just modprobe/usb_modeswitch. so I have no clue
[20:26] <Zooklubba> I had another ZTE modem which I tried. That randomly came up in nm-applet after like 5-10 kills on modem-manager
[20:28] <JohnnyL> Lets say I wanted to distribute a linux app but my app is dependent on cgroups, how would I easily enable my user to use my app?
[20:29] <bekks> JohnnyL: You cant. cgroups depend on kernel support, too.
[20:29] <chemist^> Zooklubba, these devices can be tricky i know..
[20:30] <JohnnyL> bekks: i am leaving out <2.6
[20:30] <chemist^> Zooklubba, have little experience with them...i usually use my cell phone if i want to make a mobile-internet connection on my laptop
[20:30] <Zooklubba> chemist^: so close to just give up and move to windows. Getting quite mad at all this pieces of...
[20:30] <bekks> JohnnyL: Even then it may not be enabled in the kernel.
[20:30] <JohnnyL> og right
[20:30] <JohnnyL> oh right
[20:30] <chemist^> Zooklubba, does windows require driver installation?
[20:31] <chemist^> have you checked rfkill?
[20:31] <Zooklubba> chemist^: at least they (huawei or my carrier) ship the drivers
[20:31] <chemist^> maybe it's disabled
[20:32] <Zooklubba> chemist^: what should I do then. rfkill list doesnt show shit
[20:32] <JohnnyL> bekks, lets say cgroups can work with the kernel. how do I tell and enable my user to install it?
[20:33] <bekks> JohnnyL: The user has to have root privileges.
[20:36] <Zooklubba> chemist^ what should I do/type in w/ rfkill. idfi
[20:36] <Zooklubba> idgi
[20:38] <chemist^> Zooklubba, does lshw show the device?
[20:38] <chemist^> have you checked dmesg when you plugged in the device?
[20:38] <Xuisce_> hi all
[20:40] <uporot> Xuisce_: hi
[20:40] <Xuisce_> hey there
[20:41] <Zooklubba> chemist^: for instance dmesg says usb 3-13: GSM modem 1-port converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[20:41] <tyler_d> ohai
[20:41] <Zooklubba> cdc_ncm 3-13:1.1 wwan0 register blablabla mobile broadband network device
[20:41] <chemist^> Zooklubba, that means it's there, recognized
[20:42] <xangua> How can I encrypt my home after installing ubuntu? would encryot my home affects the performance?
[20:42] <chemist^> xangua, why would encrypted folders affect performance? i don't think so
[20:43] <Zooklubba> chemist^: running usb modeswitch it says for instance Looking for active driver... No driver found. EIther detached before or never attached.
[20:43] <Zooklubba> setting up communication with interface 0
[20:43] <xangua> chemist^: how could I encrypt my home after installing ubuntu if I did not choopse the option during install then¿
[20:44] <Xuisce_> hm
[20:44] <Xuisce_> hi
[20:44] <xangua> chemist^: And I mean performance regarding battery life on a notebook
[20:44] <chemist^> xangua, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1449168
[20:45] <bs0d> Hello. I am trying to run a script from the /etc/rc.local, but it does not get started before login.
[20:45] <bs0d> It does not get started at all
[20:45] <bs0d> I would appreciate if comeone could point me to what am I missing
[20:45] <bekks> bs0d: How did you enter it in rc.local?
[20:46] <bs0d> bekks: it was suggested on a forum http://askubuntu.com/questions/9382/how-can-i-configure-a-service-to-run-at-startup/9384#9384
[20:46] <TJ-> bs0d: Ensure the command is *before* the final "exit 0" command in "/etc/rc.local"
[20:47] <Blueer> i've installed the newest amd beta display driver (14.1). the ubuntu loginscreen looks 100% ok, but when i login it shows only the desktop+mouse. it don't shows the taskbar, menus and so on.
[20:47] <Blueer> http://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears
[20:47] <Blueer> this doesn'T helps. but the unity plugin and all other plugins are not loaded
[20:48] <Blueer> if i load the unity plugin within the ccsm and all req. plugins it doesn't change anythink.
[20:49] <bs0d> hmmm same
[20:49] <compdoc> Blueer, thats usually a sign its broken. can you disable the driver?
[20:49] <bs0d> may it be because my script contains header #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh?
[20:51] <TJ-> bs0d: The header won't matter if you call the script with "sh /path/to/script" *but* if the script uses bash-specific syntax then it will likely fail to work from sh.
[20:52] <bs0d> TJ-: yes, I am correcting it right now
[20:53] <Zooklubba> chemist^: syslog shows me failed to organize modem ports (0) Failed to find primary port
[20:53] <Zooklubba> for modem-manager
[20:54] <g0twig> hey there
[20:55] <g0twig> I did read this
[20:55] <g0twig> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU5OTQ
[20:55] <g0twig> What are "ubuntu developers"?
[20:55] <g0twig> I am/was an Ubuntu developer, I have an official Ubuntu Mail Adress, and I am Ubuntu Member
[20:56] <Pici> g0twig: reply to the mailing list and ask them.
[21:00] <bs0d> TJ-: I have corrected the script so that it is run with sh, but it still does not get executed at all. I expect it to run before login actually.
[21:01] <bekks> bs0d: USe /bin/sh in rc.local, not just sh
[21:01] <bs0d> bekks: Oh, you forsee my mistakes. Thanks for the hint!
[21:02] <bs0d> bekks: I was really missing /bin/sh
[21:05] <bs0d> still no luck :(
[21:05] <Xuisce_> hi bs0d
[21:06] <TJ-> bs0d: How do you know the script isn't executed? Is it stamping a file when it runs so you know? e.g. 2nd line "touch /tmp/i-have-run"  ?
[21:06] <Exp0sure> what the problem?
[21:07] <lickalott> bs0d, what are you trying to accomplish?
[21:07] <TJ-> bs0d: most rc.local script issues are caused by expecting certain environment variables to exist, that don't
[21:07] <bs0d> TJ-: it asks for user input. And I supposed that it should wait for it, but the system boots into graphical interface and I get no script output
[21:08] <ImTheDoctorWho> o-hai!
[21:08] <ImTheDoctorWho> i have some problems with ubuntu
[21:08] <ImTheDoctorWho> can anyone help me?
[21:08] <bs0d> lickalott: I want to ask the user to provide input once before the login prompt. The script asks for user input but does not get executed by rc.local for some reason
[21:09] <GivenToCode> hi all i am in unchartered waters, i am trying to remote desktop to an ubuntu 12.04 host running vncserver via remmina
[21:09] <GivenToCode> I am able to connect but i am not able to start a bash shell
[21:09] <ImTheDoctorWho> Qualcuno può aiutarmi?
[21:09] <GivenToCode> i can start other applications like the clock, but selected bash, dash or sh does nothing
[21:09] <compdoc> not sure what remmina is, but what about other vnc clients?
[21:10] <ImTheDoctorWho> J #ubuntu-it
[21:11] <GivenToCode> compdoc, havent tried any, but itd be surprising if it were the client
[21:11] <GivenToCode> i can basically run every application except for bash
[21:12] <ImTheDoctorWho> Why i can't format the removable device?
[21:12] <compdoc> GivenToCode, the /etc/passwd file defines if a user has bash or just what shell is assigned. but its dangerous to edit
[21:13] <GivenToCode> compdoc, i am root and shell is defined as /bin/bash
[21:13] <compdoc> GivenToCode, theres a special vi command to edit the file that helps keep you out of trouble
[21:13] <iattazza> hello
[21:13] <Voyage> postgres@sync-pc:/home/syncsys$ psql postgres < '/tmp/crawler-full.sql'
[21:13] <Voyage> bash: /tmp/crawler-full.sql: Permission denied
[21:13] <compdoc> you enabled root?
[21:13] <compdoc> gave it a password, I mean
[21:13] <Voyage> sory?
[21:13] <GivenToCode> compdoc, i am root yes
[21:22] <lickalott> bs0d, so you want it to be a "startup" script?
[21:23] <lickalott> throw it in /etc/init.d and softlink it (with +x permissions) to /etc/rc2.d
[21:24] <Xuisce_> hi lickalott
[21:24] <lickalott> compdoc, remmina is the built-in RDP/SSH/VNC client in ubuntu.
[21:25] <compdoc> lickalott, ah. I always connect to ubuntu, but rarely connect from it
[21:25] <Xuisce_> hi
[21:25] <lickalott> GivenToCode,  explain your issue in greater detail please.  All's I got was that you can successfully log into/onto the ubuntu rig via VNC.  Where is the bash shell not "starting" on your host machine or your VNC machien?
[21:25] <lickalott> hello Xuisce_
[21:26] <TJ-> bs0d: You can't take user input from rc.local unless you "plymouth quit" first, as plymouth has the console
[21:26] <lickalott> I used to be big on putty, but since I found remmina, I've been using that.
[21:27] <lickalott> whats your "end game" bs0d  maybe we can come up with better options for you
[21:28] <bootyboots> hi my laptop can connect to my router wirelessly fine, but not to the internet and i'm not sure why
[21:28] <bootyboots> other devices in my house can connect to internet wirelessly no problem however not this one
[21:29] <TJ-> GivenToCode: I'd suspect a syntax error in one of the log-in scripts (/etc/profile, ~/.profile, etc.)
[21:29] <bootyboots> i have a small paste bin of the problem http://pastebin.ca/2638225
[21:29] <lickalott> bootyboots, take your router of out the mix and see what the result is.
[21:29] <VampireCat> bootyboots?
[21:29] <compdoc> bootyboots, make sure you define a gateway and a dns server
[21:29] <hdon> hi all :) an application changed my video mode and did not change it back when i exited. is there a simple command to adjust my display mode?
[21:30] <VampireCat> What?
[21:30] <Ubuntu_User> I am trying to install Ubuntu on Toshiba Satellite laptop. Ubuntu live USB doesn't boot with secure boot disabled but boots when it is enabled.
[21:30] <Ubuntu_User> Is there any reason why it does that?
[21:30] <lickalott> hdon,   settings > displays > then change the resolution
[21:31] <hdon> lickalott, thanks... i wish there were a simpler way though!
[21:31] <GivenToCode> TJ-, lickalott yea I think it's all new to me. Basically when i connect with remmina i get a gui, if i right click i get a menu, from that menu i can select applications, from that menu i can select shells, with a list of bash, dash or sh
[21:31] <GivenToCode> if i click on any of them, nothing happens
[21:31] <bootyboots> compdoc, the router handles dhcp and i think that is supposed to assign the devices it (it must for the working devices)?  would this be a router change or on my laptop
[21:31] <GivenToCode> and i can see no new processes are started
[21:31] <TJ-> bootyboots: can you "ping -nc 5 <IP_ADDRESS>" ?
[21:31] <compdoc> bootyboots, yes, it should with dhcp, but it is a setting that can get messed uo
[21:31] <compdoc> up
[21:32] <bootyboots> TJ-, yes that works, however i cannot ping other sites like google or anything else
[21:32] <TJ-> bootyboots: OK, your problem is with the DNS resolver then
[21:32] <lickalott> that's the google dns servers bootyboots
[21:32] <compdoc> bootyboots, can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:32] <TJ-> bootyboots: "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
[21:32] <bastol> hey gang. - got me a confusion - i am not used to mounting/handingling drives/partitions on linux without gparted.. and want to learn the console commands and understanding what i am looking at.. anyone want to  help me out in a pvt chat ?
[21:32] <compdoc> <IP_ADDRESS> is google
[21:33] <aspire_> bastol: i learned that on the archlinux beginners guide
[21:33] <bs0d> lickalott: to create a script in init.d is the only option? Why it will not work from rc.local?
[21:33] <bastol> it looks like i have a lvm but no lvm tools - fresh install of ubuntu server
[21:33] <lickalott> GivenToCode, try using the actual VNC app for ubuntu and see if anything changes.  I like remmina, but I've had some issues with funtionality in the past.
[21:33] <aspire_> theres a section where u partitionate the hd
[21:33] <TJ-> bs0d: You can't take user input from rc.local unless you "plymouth quit" first, as plymouth has the console
[21:33] <lickalott> not the only option bs0d but one that I can attest to working
[21:34] <lickalott> bastol, sudo apt-get install lvm2
[21:34] <bastol> aspire  i just need some confirmations.
[21:34] <bs0d> let me give it a try
[21:34] <bastol> i am nervous about messing with partitions on  a running system
[21:34] <bs0d> could you please provide some good example of a script inside init.d?
[21:34] <hdon> lickalott, i used xrandr -size 0 and it gave me exactly what i wanted :)
[21:34] <bastol> lickalot - but i dont think i need lvm i jsut ahve a partition lablelld lvm -  i dont think its being used
[21:35] <bootyboots> TJ-, you're the man thanks the nameserver line was incorrect (???) so i changed it to my router and it works
[21:35] <bootyboots> however i'm curious why it wasnt handled at dhcp time
[21:35] <bootyboots> compdoc, yes it works now
[21:35] <lickalott> bastol, http://askubuntu.com/questions/3596/what-is-lvm-and-what-is-it-used-for
[21:36] <lickalott> nice hdon
[21:36] <bastol> lickalott  yes i have used google .
[21:36] <lickalott> i don't understand your question/issue.
[21:37] <TJ-> bootyboots: "/etc/resolv.conf" usually points to "<IP_ADDRESS>" which has an instance of dnsmasq running in it. If dnsmasq wasn't running that'd cause a problem :)
[21:37] <bastol> pm me. and i will give the captures to clarify .. it will be quick i promise
[21:37] <TJ-> !pm | bastol
[21:38] <bastol> $ sudo parted -l Model: ATA ST380815AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 80.0GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos  Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system     Flags  1      1049kB  256MB   255MB   primary   ext4            boot  2      257MB   80.0GB  79.7GB  extended  5      257MB   46.5GB  46.2GB  logical                   lvm  6      46.5GB  76.8GB  30.3GB  logical   ext4  7      76.8GB  80.0GB  3183
[21:39] <TJ-> !pastebin | bastol
[21:40] <bastol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911499/
[21:40] <bgardner> I think bastol is trying to find fdisk or cfdisk, based on the questions asked, although I may be wrong.
[21:40] <lickalott> bs0d, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911489
[21:41] <lickalott> bastol, you want your 46GB back?
[21:41] <Dream> If I am installing Ubuntu server with a raid controller, should I use lvm as well?
[21:41] <bootyboots> that is good info TJ- thanks.  I'm not sure how dnsmasq works from there
[21:42] <bootyboots> though
[21:42] <bs0d> lickalott: As far as I can see there are services in /etc/init.d which get started and stopped. But I need to run my script unconditionally only once after bootup and the script runs and exists immediately.
[21:42] <bs0d> lickalott: is this the right place to store my script?
[21:42] <dveim> can i write in crontab smth like @reboot opera to start it every reboot?
[21:42] <dveim> somehow it doesn't work
[21:42] <bastol> lets try that agian  - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911508/   so i try to use lvm commands and its not installed . so how can i have an lvm  from a clean install of ubuntu 13.10  - my intention is to mount the 3TB as /data  and extend swap to double. - and add the spare  space on sda5 to be used for the web server
[21:43] <bastol> and i knwo little about mounting but am rusty and dont want to fark it up ..
[21:43] <lickalott> you can dump it into rc2.d directly.  I usually write in start, stop and restart cases in my scripts so i leave them in init.d
[21:43] <TJ-> bootyboots: If the interfaces are managed by Network Manager, it has a private instance running that receives the DHCP options when the interface comes up, including the upstream nameserver list
[21:43] <lickalott> you chose lvm on install bastol
[21:43] <lickalott> if this is a fresh install and you don't want lvm, the easiest thing to do would be reinstall with "standard partitions"
[21:43] <bastol> yes . it was a default. - which is why i am confused no lvm tools are installed and  where that space is mounted
[21:44] <JohnnyL> do many linux users have cgroups support 'baked' in?
[21:44] <Dream> Could someone help me out please? Just a quick question
[21:44] <lickalott> LVM is just a large volume manager.  to modify or create other LVM volumes (i.e. you add a new disk) you'll need the lvm2 package
[21:44] <lickalott> Dream, just ask
[21:44] <Dream> I did
[21:44] <Dream> No one noticed
[21:44] <bootyboots> wow, i'm glad people like you are in here TJ- LOL
[21:44] <lickalott> lol
[21:44] <lickalott> where
[21:44] <bootyboots> thanks again
[21:45] <lickalott> oh
[21:45] <Dream> I'm installing on a server with a raid controller
[21:45] <bootyboots> adding you to my fav list for freenode
[21:45] <Dream> Trying to figure out if I need lvm or not
[21:45] <bastol> so its the partition marked LVM actually in use somewhere  ?  i mean this is a sanity check
[21:45] <lickalott> personal preference imho Dream .  Do you plan on adding more drives later
[21:46] <TJ-> Dream: If you want flexibility, ability to create snapshots for back-up, need for creating/shrinking/extending file-systems: YES
[21:46] <Dream> No, its a raid 5 in full use.
[21:46] <YellowGTO> Hey guys having a little trouble with samba. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipor3iv6mfwxm6g/Screenshot%202014-02-10%2016.45.38.png
[21:46] <YellowGTO> Config https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwdif72coy86wrc/Screenshot%202014-02-10%2016.46.01.png
[21:46] <lickalott> bastol, by "in use" you mean used by the filesystem?
[21:46] <bastol> lickalott as in space  that is accessable under the current config
[21:46] <Dream> So essentially it's a LAMP server running server edition ubuntu
[21:47] <Dream> Does lvm manage virtual file space?
[21:47] <lickalott> you could use it.  I personally would rather have that 46 GB allocated to a larger chunk for file storage and stuff but that's me
[21:47] <gordonjcp> Dream: no
[21:47] <gordonjcp> Dream: you know how you can set up logical partitions to have more than four partitions on a disk?
[21:47] <bastol> lickalott - so its not actually being used now its more like 'reserved' for a lvm ?
[21:47] <lickalott> true
[21:47] <TJ-> bastol: try "sudo pvs /dev/sda5" .. you'd expect something like "  /dev/sda5 <VG_NAME> lvm2 a--  25.29g 16.29g"
[21:48] <Dream> yeah
[21:48] <gordonjcp> Dream: LVM is kind of like that, except you can create partitions any time you like, and even resize them
[21:48] <ice9> Cinnamon desktop always crashes!
[21:48] <gordonjcp> Dream: you create one hoofing great partition and make that be all LVM
[21:48] <gordonjcp> Dream: then within that you carve up logical volumes
[21:48] <bastol> sudo: pvs: command not found
[21:48] <lickalott> you know how with windows 7 they introduced the new partition magic equivilent? bastol, Dream ?
[21:48] <TJ-> bastol: you were told earlier, you need to install the package "sudo apt-get install lvm2"
[21:48] <lickalott> that's basically LVM
[21:48] <Dream> Ok, that makes sense. Wheras without LVM I would have to use something like g parted on the virtual disk
[21:49] <gordonjcp> Dream: these then have a path like /dev/bigstackofvolumes/mp3s, /dev/bigstackofvolumes/piratedvideos etc etc
[21:49] <bastol> tj-  yes but if i odnt need it then why shoudl i install it .
[21:49] <gordonjcp> whatever you've got in the Volume Group called "bigstackofvolumes"
[21:49] <bastol> tj - i am tryign to first determin if its neccisary /
[21:50] <TJ-> bastol: You've got a partition apparently with an LVM structure inside, you need the tools to check that!
[21:50] <Dream> So when I set up my LAMP stack I would just need to point it to the path /dev/volumex/www
[21:50] <TJ-> bastol: the partition may just be marked as an LVM type. You could try "sudo blkid /dev/sda5" that should show if an LVM structure is recognised
[21:50] <bastol> tj - but if its tehre then i would have to have the tools for the os to read it already wouldnt i or it couldnt be mounted/ used.... if it snot used then i can repartition that section and  use it without an lvm ?
[21:51] <ice9> Cinnamon desktop always crashes on Ubuntu when opening any popup menu like the main menu
[21:51] <bastol> tj - sudo blkid command nets no results/information
[21:53] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: Of course, you can create partitions any time you like, and resize them without LVM, it just takes fewer steps.
[21:57] <bastol> ping/ did my net crap out or did suddenly everyone die ?
[21:57] <Pici> bastol: the latter
[21:58] <bastol> ahh  okay so its not jsut me  :P
[21:58] <Pici> los angeles /70
[21:58] <Pici> oops
[21:59] <she_dyed> aHA so you're the guy controlling the weather
[21:59] <lickalott> bastol, sudo blkid
[21:59] <lickalott> leave out the /sda
[21:59] <TJ-> bastol: Then it is likely the partition was simply given the lvm type, but not assigned as a physical volume by lvm
[22:00] <bastol> sda5 is not listed with sudo blkid
[22:00] <bastol> so then i dont need lvm and i can jsut reclaim it withotu busting something...
[22:00] <lickalott> i say gparted that junk and re-assign it to another unused partition.
[22:01] <lickalott> do it bastol
[22:01] <fulanito> hi all
[22:01] <Ubuntu_User> Is there any reason why Ubuntu doesn't boot with secure boot disabled? It boots if secure boot is enabled or if i set BIOS to CSM mode.
[22:01] <fulanito> I am having troubles adding a certificate to apache
[22:01] <fulanito> in ubuntu 12.04
[22:01] <lickalott> Ubuntu_User, newer laptop?
[22:02] <fulanito> server, ubuntu user
[22:02] <fulanito> [Mon Feb 10 20:11:13 2014] [warn] Init: Name-based SSL virtual hosts only work for clients with TLS server name indication support (RFC 4366)
[22:02] <fulanito> [Mon Feb 10 20:11:13 2014] [warn] Init: Name-based SSL virtual hosts only work for clients with TLS server name indication support (RFC 4366)
[22:02] <fulanito> [Mon Feb 10 20:11:13 2014] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.3.10-1ubuntu3.8 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.22 OpenSSL/1.0.1 configured -- resuming normal operation
[22:02] <Ubuntu_User> lickalott, Yes. Toshiba Satellite. Has Windows 8 preinstalled.
[22:02] <hitsujiTMO> !paste | fulanito
[22:02] <lickalott> prob something with UEFI bios
[22:02] <TJ-> fulanito: what is the problem, exactly?
[22:03] <bs0d> I guess I have made an init.d script .. hope it is ok to ask for user input from rc2 script
[22:03] <fulanito> http://pastebin.com/Ewb2S1fE
[22:03] <fulanito> I added a certificate to apache2
[22:03] <TJ-> fulanito: I don't see a problem
[22:03] <bs0d> ah .. its same .. the script didn't work
[22:03] <Ubuntu_User> lickalott, Ubuntu live cd does boot with secure boot enabled. But when I disable it fails. Which seems weird to me. On CSM mode Windows 8 boot fails.
[22:04] <fulanito> but the brosers says that no script has been added
[22:04] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: How, precisely, does it fail?
[22:04] <bs0d> lickalott: I have created a script asking for user input in /etc/init.d and created a symlink to it in /etc/rc2.d, but still the script did not work. Any ideas?
[22:04] <TJ-> fulanito: As the apache warning tells you, name-based TLS/SSL requires browsers with TLS-SNI support
[22:04] <she_dyed> isnt plymouth running at that point
[22:04] <Voyage> hi
[22:05] <Voyage> how to start a screen by giving a custom name  to and and how to resume it after wards?
[22:05] <kevinb_> Hello, how can I use upstart to ensure a script runs on shutdown that needs to post http requests to a different host runs and finishes before the network is shutdown ?
[22:05] <fulanito> how to I enable that on browsers?
[22:05] <TJ-> bs0d: As I said earlier, twice:  You can't take user input from rc.local unless you "plymouth quit" first, as plymouth has the console
[22:05] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, I get to initial loader where I can select Try or Install ubuntu. If I select either one of them. It just shows a blank screen.
[22:05] <TJ-> fulanito: You can't, either they have support, or they don't
[22:06] <bs0d> TJ-: This time I have put my script it rc2.d, not rc.local
[22:06] <hitsujiTMO> fulanito: thats just a warning. If a user what has a web client that doesn't support TSL, the web server will end up serving the "default" ssl site. Not much to worry about since there's very very few web browsers that don't support TLS
[22:06] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: OK, that could be a video card mode issue. I suspect the "nomodeset" option is required on the kernel start-up line in the CD... I think on the live ISO you can press a key (F6?) to select advanced options, and add that
[22:06] <TJ-> bs0d: no difference
[22:06] <TJ-> bs0d: If plymouth has the console you can't use it
[22:07] <bs0d> TJ-: what would be the proper place for such a script? I need to invoke it before login prompt after boot. Is this at all possible?
[22:07] <fulanito> hitsujiTMO: can you try www.bluemessaging.com
[22:07] <TJ-> bs0d: I've told you several times now. "plymouth quit" then do your console input routine.
[22:08] <Voyage> how to start a GNU screen by giving a custom name  to and and how to resume it after wards?
[22:09] <bastol> okay one more question  - since google has many conflicting results  stating false positive rootkits and  then not -- whats yoru opinion  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911649/
[22:09] <hitsujiTMO> fulanito: the site works. but no response from the https if thats what you want to know. have you opened the port?
[22:09] <TJ-> fulanito: If you're expecting HTTPS to work, you'll need to open port 443 in the firewall
[22:09] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, I only get the GRUB boot loader. It doesn't let me press any function keys. I can do edit the command before booting.
[22:10] <Beldar> bastol, maverick, realy?
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> Voyage: screen -S sessionname                         ctrl + a, d      to detach,     screen -r sessionname    to reattach that session
[22:10] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, what is the command line parameter? is it --nomodeset ?
[22:10] <bastol> whats wrong  with mavericks
[22:11] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: I thought the Try/Install option of the Live ISO had a hot-key for setting advanced options
[22:11] <Beldar> bastol, it is way past end of life, install 12.04 or 13.10.
[22:11] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: just "nomodeset"
[22:11] <bs0d> TJ-: Where should I invoke plymouth quit command? I tried to invoke it in the beginning of the script, but the script still did not work
[22:11] <Voyage> hitsujiTMO,  thanks!
[22:11] <TJ-> bs0d: Have you confirmed yet that your script actually gets called? Without that, the rest is pointless
[22:12] <bastol> mavericks - OSX not maverick linux
[22:12] <bs0d> TJ-: let me check it out
[22:12] <Ziber> What is wicd, exactly? All I've found is that it's an "equivalent (sometimes higher regarded) to network-manager".
[22:12] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, I get a screen similar to this http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347445084.png
[22:12] <bastol> beldar - used a mac to burn the iso - not a old linux flavor.
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> Ziber: its a cli wireless adapter manager
[22:13] <Ziber> I'm trying to spoof my mac address at bootup. Is there a way I can do that with network-manager, since I'm more familiar with it?
[22:13] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: Is that the server install? Which ubuntu release is it?
[22:14] <romainl> */msg NickServ IDENTIFY romainl pme
[22:14] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, Desktop. Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS
[22:14] <bs0d> TJ-: yes, it gets invoked. I checked it by creating an empty file from the script
[22:14] <Ziber> That's like the 10th person I've seen recently fail to privately identify to Nickserv...
[22:15] <bastol> i did install 13.10 . was that not listed inteh paste ?
[22:15] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: Strange, I thought the desktop installer had a more graphical start-up than that! OK, you should be able to press 'e' on one of those options to 'e'dit it, then move the cursor to the end of the line beginning "linux..." and add " nomodeset" then press Ctrl+X (or F10) to execute it
[22:15] <bs0d> TJ-: so the issue remains that the script gets called, (and maybe it even asks for user input), but does not wait for one
[22:16] <TJ-> bs0d: OK, so the script runs but your commands fail.  I will correct this. Thanks!
[22:17] <fulanito> TJ-: many thanks\
[22:17] <fulanito> I make it works
[22:18] <TJ-> Ziber: Put the appropriate settings in the appropriate configuration locations. You'd have to manually start the VPN since NM wouldn't be able to do any automatic start based on another interface
[22:18] <TJ-> fulanito: :)
[22:18] <TJ-> fulanito: for reference, if you ever need to test TLS/SSL: "openssl s_client -connect bluemessaging.com:443"
[22:18] <Ziber> TJ-: So I have lines for wlan0 and eth0 in my network interfaces file, nm will know not to touch those?
[22:18] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, Still  pretty much the same screen. added it to the end of the line starting with linux.
[22:19] <bs0d> TJ-: if I am not mistaken, I need to provide full paths for the following commands: cat echo read exit
[22:19] <TJ-> Ziber: correct, NM will *usually* (subject to its configuration) ignore any interfaces mentioned in "interfaces"
[22:19] <TJ-> bs0d: "echo read exit" should be shell built-ins
[22:20] <TJ-> bs0d: If it isn't a PATH issue, then you need to look at what other assumptions your script makes about the environment
[22:20] <bgardner> /quit/quit
[22:20] <bgardner> >.< Sorry
[22:21] <bs0d> TJ-: but a simple script like read -p "Enter something" var should work as it does not make any assumptions at all
[22:21] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: Hmm, try editing the line again and also add "debug" and *remove* "quiet" and "splash" ... that should cause the kernel to spew lots of useful messages that indicate where the problem starts
[22:22] <bastol> so u guys think this is a false postive ? ( note isntalled 13.10 server  and  used a mac osx maverics to burn the iso ) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911649/
[22:23] <TJ-> bs0d: Yes, that  should. In the past when I've had issues like this I've added 'debug' echos to the script in between every command, so I can look at a log-file and know for sure where it is stopping
[22:23] <bs0d> TJ-: even this simple script did not ask for input nor wait for it :(
[22:24] <bs0d> TJ-: something really weird is going on
[22:25] <TJ-> bs0d: is that simple script stopping plymouth?
[22:25] <Ziber> So uh. That was weird. I now have eth0 in my /etc/network/interfaces file, and went to "ifup eth0" and my computer went to fully CLI and couldn't figure out how to get my GUI back. Had to restart.
[22:26] <TJ-> bs0d: I'd add a debug line immediately before the "read" doing something like "/bin/ps -efly | /bin/grep plymouth >> /tmp/myscript.log"
[22:26] <Ziber> Anyone have experience with that?
[22:27] <TJ-> Ziber: I think I have seen/heard of that once before; never happened again so didn't dig into it
[22:27] <Ziber> Well. Just ran it again, and my GUI didn't go anywhere.   Were you working in an X terminal or a console?
[22:28] <Ziber> I'm not sure... I'm currently in the console in my GUI.
[22:28] <TJ-> Ziber: I assumed it was because X was configured to listen on a TCP port and that was somehow upset by the ifup command
[22:29] <sandman13> will this theme work on Ubuntu 13.10: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Elegant+Gnome+Pack?content=127826
[22:29] <YellowGTO> Hye guys im having samaba issues. Even though it seems to be configured correctly
[22:29] <YellowGTO> Config https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwdif72coy86wrc/Screenshot%202014-02-10%2016.46.01.png
[22:29] <YellowGTO> Error https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipor3iv6mfwxm6g/Screenshot%202014-02-10%2016.45.38.png
[22:30] <sandman13> with xfce desktop environment
[22:30] <Ziber> I have "inet eth0 inet dhcp" in my interfaces file. If I boot my computer without an ethernet cable plugged in, will it boot without trying to get it? Earlier, it was stuck at "waiting for network configuration..." and wouldn't boot.
[22:31] <TJ-> Ziber: "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[22:31] <Ziber> Yes?
[22:31] <bs0d> TJ-: hmm its weird but the log file is not created at all
[22:31] <TJ-> Ziber: You wrote "inet ..."
[22:31] <Ziber> Oh, sorry. yeah. iface.
[22:31] <TJ-> bs0d: So, script *not* running then.
[22:32] <Ziber> Of course, without network-manager handling the interface, it won't disconnect when I unplug the cable. So technically it still has an IP.
[22:32] <TJ-> bs0d: move back one step; add a log line to "/etc/rc.local" just prior to your script call... make sure rc.local is being called!
[22:32] <bs0d> TJ-: this piece of code is inside /etc/rc.local .. so, rc.local is not invoked?
[22:32] <Ziber> If I do get back to a pure cli, how can I get my gui back?
[22:33] <bs0d> TJ-: I have placed this small code directly to rc.local
[22:33] <TJ-> bs0d: You're checked "/etc/rc.local" is set with eXecutable permissions?
[22:33] <bs0d> TJ-: no, I guess it should be by default. Let me check it
[22:33] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, linux /casper/vmlinuz.efi file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper -- initrd /casper/initrd.lz nomodeset debug             Is that the right syntax?
[22:33] <TJ-> bs0d: Also ensure that the service is linked in for the runlevel 2 at /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local
[22:34] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: Not quite... you need to put "nomodeset debug" before "file=..."
[22:35] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: otherwise, those commands are tacked onto the separate "initrd" clause, which means they are discarded
[22:35] <rburgosnavas> hi there, i'm wifi connection issue and i was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction
[22:35] <bastol> has no one else verified  if this is a false postive for rootkits ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6911649/
[22:36] <rburgosnavas> right now i'm connected to the wireless network, strength is good, but dont get internet connection
[22:37] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, makes sense. I get the same blank black screen except this time the laptop fan went high for about 30 seconds and went down to normal.
[22:37] <rburgosnavas> i've looked online but i can't find a suitable answer on most forum posts
[22:37] <gutHead> on one 13.10 machine I have the pacakge evoluspencil, but ont he other 13.10 machine aptitude cannot find this package and /etc/apt/sources.list seem the same on both machines
[22:37] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: Hmmm... but no sign of any text messages at all from the kernel?
[22:38] <gutHead> can anyone tell me why the packages might appear different ont he two machines?
[22:38] <chrisbillups> Hi guys! I have a quick question. For Ubuntu Studio 13.10, will I be able to install Google Chrome 64 bit stable w/o any issues?
[22:38] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: The only thing I can think of is - aside from linux image corruption - that you're trying to start a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit only CPU
[22:38] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, no :(
[22:38] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, If I enable Secure boot, it will boot with no issues.
[22:39] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: As Mr Spock might say, "that's illogical, Captn"
[22:40] <Beldar> chrisbillups, What makes you think there will be a problem, if you are all 64 bit?
[22:40] <chrisbillups> I'm a 1st timer.
[22:40] <bs0d> TJ-: it looks like commands are not executed past "plymouth quit" call. "/bin/touch /root/test" before the call runs fine, "/bin/touch /root/test2" after the plymouth call does not create any file.
[22:40] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: OK, so SB implies UEFI boot. So do you know if the ISO installer is starting in UEFI or legacy mode ? Do you choose a firmware boot option such as "UEFI: DVD..."
[22:40] <Beldar> chrisbillups, I have not seen anyone as of now with problems lately.
[22:41] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, That's what I don't get either. Doesn't make sense at all. In theory it shouldn't boot with secure boot enabled.
[22:41] <chrisbillups> Okay, cool. Just wanted to get a 2nd opinion. I appreciate it y'all. Have a Wonderful Day! :)
[22:41] <TJ-> bs0d: OK, so it looks like plymouth doesn't respond as expected. Let's check if the way to cause it to quit has changed
[22:41] <DancesWithBeers> a
[22:41] <iamnotpression> hello, i have got a fast question,.. I want download ubuntu 14.04 alpha to help to develoment, this will be update little to little to the LTS version or I will must download the LTS later in april maybe?
[22:41] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: On the contrary, grub has a signed EFI shim loader, so it will SecureBoot
[22:42] <Beldar> !14.04 | iamnotpression
[22:42] <iamnotpression> and sry for my english, in the spain channel there aren't ppl
[22:42] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, As per Ubuntu Wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Identifying_if_the_computer_boots_the_Ubuntu_DVD_in_EFI_mode) If I get the GRUB boot loader, then it does boot in UEFI mode. I can also boot on legacy mode.
[22:43] <iamnotpression> ey, hi Phantom, nice to see you
[22:43] <Beldar> iamnotpression, #ubuntu+1 is the 14.04 channel is all.
[22:43] <iamnotpression> still play AC?
[22:43] <TJ-> bs0d: According to "man plymouth" it should be "/bin/plymouth --quit"
[22:43] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, Windows 8 will fill in legacy mode though :(. I can't get rid of windows any time soon though.
[22:43] <iamnotpression> thanks
[22:44] <cody_1> .
[22:44] <cody_1> hi
[22:45] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, I might need to burn a DVD and see if it makes a difference. Currently I am using USB to boot.
[22:45] <sandman13> can i get ubuntu 10.10 like UI for ubuntu 13.10?
[22:45] <bs0d> TJ-: I do not have man plymouth even :(
[22:45] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: Hang on, if it boots OK we know it isn't a corrupted image issue
[22:46] <TJ-> bs0d: is "/bin/plymouth" installed?
[22:46] <TJ-> bs0d: No, plymouth doesn't provide any man-pages... and yes, that's *!%^& annoying
[22:46] <bs0d> TJ-: 2 of them .. plymouth and plymouth-upstart-bridge
[22:47] <TJ-> bs0d: OK, so it is there. So try again with "/bin/plymouth --quit"
[22:47] <bs0d> TJ-: if I try to run this command when logged in just to test, will it do something bad to my system?
[22:48] <TJ-> bs0d: By that time plymouth will have been stopped anyhow; it only manages the splash screen at boot-time and shutdown
[22:48] <arcsky> "*** System restart required ***" if  i dont want to reboot, how do i remove the warning when i login to ssh?
[22:49] <TJ-> bs0d: I thought of a way you can do a boot-test without it... remove "splash" from the kernel command-line and plymouth won't be used
[22:49] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, It is getting late for me here. Is it ok If I continue this with you tomorrow? I really appreciate your help.
[22:49] <TJ-> Ubuntu_User: Try others; My brain isn't connecting the dots for you right now
[22:49] <bs0d> TJ-: /bin/plymouth --quit does the same .. not a single command run after this invocation
[22:50] <bs0d> TJ-: I am using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[22:50] <rburgosnavas> well, i was able to find my answer: sudo dhclient
[22:50] <TJ-> bs0d: take a look at "plymouth --help" ... I'm wondering if you could piggy-back on the --ask-for-password option to have plymouth get user input
[22:50] <gutHead> does anyoe know why an identical /etc/apt/sources.list and updated aptitude would not locate a packge on one 64bit 13.10 machine that was installed on another 64bit 13.10 machine?
[22:51] <gutHead> anyone?
[22:51] <TJ-> bs0d: Even better, there's a command "ask-question"
[22:51] <brainwash> gutHead: which package exactly?
[22:51] <Ubuntu_User> TJ-, Will do. Thank you for your pointers. It atleast it gave me some idea. Thanks a lot.
[22:52] <hitsujiTMO> arcsky: why do you want to remove it when its required??? sudo rm /var/run/reboot-required
[22:52] <gutHead> brainwash: evoluspencil, I think its from extras.canonical repo, but apt-cache policy doesn't seem to indicate where it is from :/
[22:54] <OerHeks> gutHead, maybe one machine has got a ppa extra, see sudo ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[22:55] <TJ-> gutHead: Are you sure it wasn't installed manually using dpkg -i xxxx.deb ?
[22:55] <hitsujiTMO> gutHead: whats the output of: apt-cache policy evoluspencil
[22:55] <gutHead> OerHeks: hm there are quite a few more ppas on this other machine, that might be it
[22:55] <hitsujiTMO> gutHead: !info evoluspencil
[22:56] <kostkon> gutHead, you got it from its site not the repos
[22:56] <gutHead> TJ-: yes, I thought I might've isntalled it from a .deb file, but couldn't find it in ~/Downloads, where I know I would've kept it
[22:57] <gutHead> kostkon: it appears with 'apt-cache show evoluspencil' though so it must be from one of these extra ppas I have collected on the other machine
[22:57] <kostkon> gutHead, what apt-cache says exactly
[22:57] <kostkon> does say*
[22:57] <gutHead> anyways, thank you guys, I don't see any clearly identifiable ppa yet, but I'm sure it is in here
[22:58] <TJ-> gutHead: You can find out maybe using "zcat /var/log/apt/history.log.*.gz | grep evoluspencil"
[22:58] <gutHead> kostkon: http://sprunge.us/HMaY
[22:58] <bekks> TJ-: zgrep
[22:59] <gutHead> TJ-: grep didn't find anything :/
[22:59] <kostkon> gutHead, you got it from here http://pencil.evolus.vn/  trust me
[22:59] <gutHead> oh, zgrep
[22:59] <gutHead> nope, zgrep produced nothing either
[22:59] <TJ-> gutHead: It appears to be in raring/main
[22:59] <gutHead> kostkon: I know of the website, I was just trying to figure out why aptitude had it one one machine but not another. .deb files don't update aptitude ... do they?
[23:00] <gutHead> TJ-: I did install it on the other machine during 13.04, so that would make sense
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> gutHead: if you installed it from a PPA then you'd have a copy of the deb in your apt-archive (unless you cleaned the cache).
[23:00] <gutHead> maybe it just cached the show data that way :/
[23:01] <TJ-> gutHead: That's not from Ubuntu, it's from "Deepin Linux"; it's in their repos
[23:01] <gutHead> hitsujiTMO: I don't recall cleaning the cache (I tend to let things pile up :( )
[23:01] <TJ-> gutHead: see http://mirror.metrocast.net/deepin/pool/main/e/evoluspencil/
[23:02] <hitsujiTMO> gutHead: then have a look for it in /var/cache/apt/archives   if its not there then you installed it with dpkg -i
[23:02] <saman> salam
[23:02] <saman> hello
[23:03] <saman> how are you
[23:03] <gutHead> hitsujiTMO: either I did and I really don't rmemeber or i cleaned the archives cache and dont remember, because I don't see it in here
[23:03] <gutHead> thanks again all
[23:09] <anil> türk varmı bişey sorucam
[23:09] <k1l_> !tr | anil
[23:32] <nikolam> why udisks-daemon is using 100% cpu time (one core) and what it is doing?
[23:34] <ometzit> hi everyone, I need some help making a reinstallation of ubuntu 12.04 lts, i'm running it from a pen drive but it freezes after the second screen, download updates while installing and install third party software. How can I tell (in top) whether is working or not?
[23:37] <usr13> ometzit: Your install media is a USB thumb-drive?
[23:37] <nikolam> ctrl+alt+f1 , f2, f3 gives console
[23:37] <usr13> nikolam: Yep, that is normal.
[23:38] <usr13> nikolam: Probably f1-f6  (I just use f6)
[23:38] <ometzit> no, in the hard drive where I have an installation already but there is a huge mess with the wired and wireless connection so its easier to reinstall and update
[23:38] <nikolam> ometzit, test RAM. don't let it connect to network while installing. Try using alternate (text) install image
[23:38] <mmazing> is there a different channel for ubuntu development?
[23:39] <sprink> ubuntu-dev probably
[23:39] <sprink> nvm
[23:39] <ometzit> alternative (text) install image what do you mean?
[23:39] <sprink> ;)
[23:39] <mmazing> sprink: yeah that one is pretty empty  :)
[23:39] <tzs> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList it says ubuntu-devel
[23:40] <mmazing> unless ubuntu has been developed single-handedly by a guy named jeff
[23:40] <mmazing> tzs: thanks
[23:40] <ometzit> lol
[23:41] <daniel5940> good afternoon
[23:41] <nikolam> udisks-daemon is using one core 100% cou time. what can I or we do about it? (13.10 64bit)
[23:42] <daniel5940> I just found out about ubuntu os and am looking for more specific information regarding installing and using it
[23:42] <daniel5940> Iam at this point a windows baby only withno other experience lol
[23:42] <ometzit> nikolam what do you mean by alternative (text) install image?
[23:42] <nikolam> ubuntu is GNU/Linux distribution.
[23:42] <usr13> daniel5940: See ubuntu.com
[23:43] <Paddy_NI>
[23:43] <daniel5940> that's how I ended up here usr13
[23:43] <nikolam> ometzit, welll, up to 12.04, there is .iso and usb image of install media, that does installation not via GUI, but via text interface
[23:43] <usr13> daniel5940: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[23:44] <usr13> daniel5940: Ok. Great.  Do you have any specific question(s)?
[23:44] <nikolam> daniel5940, see distrowatch.com and read wikipedia on linux
[23:45] <daniel5940> lol a lot, but the main one is what's the difference between ubuntu and windows (or mac, linux, etc)
[23:45] <MR_Wazzap11> Hey guys
[23:45] <usr13> daniel5940: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/index.html
[23:45] <usr13> daniel5940: The difference is BIG
[23:46] <ometzit> nikolam but running linux from a live usb you mean? what I have now is a bottable usb drive it would be running it there and installing by the terminal
[23:47] <usr13> daniel5940: Kind of like the difference between night and day, (between MS Windows and Linux) (between mac and linux, not so much, a little closer) (mac uses a form of BSD which is kind of close cousin to linux)
[23:48] <usr13> daniel5940: From MS Windows to Mac to Linux (to me) is like:  Good->Better->Best :)
[23:49] <cadot273kelvin> It depends what you want to do with it.
[23:49] <daniel5940> ok, but I have never used any os (that Iam aware of) other than windows based
[23:49] <usr13> daniel5940: Well then, you are in for a treat.  :)
[23:49] <nikolam> ometzit, maybe I didn't understand you . I was thinking you were reinstalling system on HD, using usb drive ad boot media? You should have Linuxc installed on HD , not on USB.
[23:49] <sprink> I used to say windows for games, macs for design, and linux productivity, but now days linux is almost good for gaming
[23:49] <cadot273kelvin> daniel5940: What do you use your computer for?
[23:50] <T1960CT> lol for me its Windows, Ubuntu12.04 then Mac.... goes from (engineer soon) to I love this OS but could do with knowing more, to NEVER TOUCHING THIS EVER
[23:51] <daniel5940> I use it for everything from gaming, to home office...  homeschooling my kid(s), to eventually installing my own security programs around the house
[23:51] <usr13> cadot273kelvin: That's kind of like asking; What do you use a car for?    Or what do you use dirt for?
[23:51] <ometzit> nikolam yes is on usb, but reinstalling from the USB. But wait I passed to the "where do you want to install" screen, I have a partition for windows and one for the previous linux installation, the one I want to reinstall
[23:52] <daniel5940> right nwo, I have two other computers that I have rebuilt; they currently have winXP on them, and only have 10 and 20gb hd's.  I am thinking of installing onto one of them tog et a feelf or it
[23:52] <ultrajenn> hi all, is there a way to check when your system shutdown unexpectedly? I had a power failure and wanted to trace back when the machine was working roughy
[23:52] <usr13> cadot273kelvin: See...  "I use it for everything..."  :)
[23:52] <usr13> ultrajenn: Could be overheating.
[23:53] <cadot273kelvin> usr13: kind of, some people do use their car to drive to work, some use it to race.  Some people use dirt for gardening, some use it to build houses.
[23:53] <ometzit> nikolam but I want to keep the home folder, while reinstalling everything else (hopefully there are no conflicts), what should I do?
[23:53] <nikolam> is it on btrfs?
[23:54] <nikolam> Btrfs file system can have subvolumes
[23:54] <usr13> cadot273kelvin:  Good point(s)...   :)
[23:54] <cadot273kelvin> daniel5940: that sounds like a good plan to get a feel for what you can do with it.
[23:54] <nikolam> and why installing 12.04 and not 13.10? ometzit
[23:54] <ultrajenn> usr13: I think that's the reason
[23:55] <cadot273kelvin> usr13: likewise, some game, some surf, some work etc...
[23:55] <daniel5940> will it run on as small a hard drive as 10gb?  I know winxp can install and operate on smaller but it will crash a lot due to lack of hd storage
[23:55] <usr13> !lts | nikolam
[23:55] <ultrajenn> I wanted to find out which log file I can investigate to find out at what time the machine was running before the crash
[23:55] <usr13> daniel5940: no
[23:55] <nikolam> yeah yeah usr13
[23:55] <ometzit> nikolam dunno, I downloaded that one, i would guess is better because of what ubottu said, or at least safer
[23:55] <usr13> daniel5940: Not unless you strip it down a LOT
[23:55] <ometzit> I hope it constains the broadcom drivers which are the source of all the mess
[23:56] <nikolam> ubottu, is a irc bot, usr13 pointed to it
[23:56] <nikolam> lol
[23:56] <daniel5940> what would be the minimum size hd you reccomend for ubuntu?
[23:56] <ometzit> haha
[23:56] <aberrant> hi all
[23:56] <usr13> daniel5940: Why would you want to limit a modern OS to 10G?
[23:56] <aberrant> xen, virtualbox, kvm, vmware, or other?
[23:56] <usr13> daniel5940: (A full desktop install is more than 10G.)
[23:57] <daniel5940> in the end, I wouldnt usr13, but right now my spare computers only have 10 and 20gb hd's
[23:57] <nikolam> ometzit, if it is not for server or you were religiously tight to LTS (like me was), then go for latest supported, 13.10. And install on HD :P
[23:57] <tonyt> 14.10 now
[23:57] <daniel5940> and I was wondering if they would work to get a basic feel for the os, to see if it was something Icould work with personally
[23:57] <usr13> daniel5940: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/memory-disk-requirements.html
[23:58] <usr13> daniel5940: http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/#
[23:59] <spytr0n> ??
[23:59] <ometzit> nikolam well it would be supported for 9 months i hope that updating it is not difficult....in 9 months lol
[23:59] <usr13> daniel5940: Ok, well you can probably fit into a 10G drive, maybe, but yes, for sure on a 20G