[12:04] <aboapri> konqueror and k-meleon both have that pre-loading feature that makes them fast to start.
[12:04] <Sethwm2> Can anyone see my text?
[12:04] <LinuxMonkey> yes
[12:05] <Sethwm2> Thanks.
[12:05] <aboapri> but k-meleon is gecko based, so I find it has a better compatibility rate than konqueror.
[12:05] <DrBair> aboapri: KHTML has its advantages too you know
[12:05] <DrBair> aboapri: and theres a project to integrate gecko into konqueror as well
[12:05] <KuLover> Anyone in here use an ATI X850 XT?
[12:05] <aboapri> Oh, I'm not dissing khtml, but I have had some incompatible web pages and crashes with konqueror.
[12:06] <edulix> hi
[12:06] <edulix> it's me or http://es.gizmodo.com/2006/06/08/uranium_jeans_tejanos_con_scro_1.html doesn't work well in konqueror?
[12:06] <aboapri> now here's a question, why does epiphany suck so bad?  that's gnome's biggest weakness I think.
[12:07] <chavo> edulix, seems to load fine here
[12:07] <mikedep333> aboapri: because everbody uses firefox anyweay
[12:07] <DrBair> aboapri: i never had any big problems with it back in my Gnome days. Nice and simple... almost too simple though
[12:07] <mikedep333> drblair: yes
[12:07] <mikedep333> simple
[12:07] <edulix> chavo: the same in firefox and konqueror?
[12:07] <mikedep333> that's what gnome is all about
[12:08] <LinuxMonkey> edulix: works fine for me too, try changing your browser identification
[12:08] <aboapri> no big problems, just ephiphany is slow and uncustomizable.
[12:08] <mikedep333> edulix: that page works fine in konqueror on dapper
[12:08] <chavo> edulix, looks the same in both
[12:08] <edulix> I'm using konqueror 3.5.3 in dapper
[12:08] <aboapri> firefox is great, but it's so frickin' bloated.
[12:08] <edulix> and yes, changing the browse identification worked
[12:08] <DrBair> edulix: do you have the correct video drivers going?
[12:09] <LinuxMonkey> :)
[12:09] <edulix> now changing back to previous works too
[12:09] <edulix> weird
[12:09] <LinuxMonkey> hehe had that happen to me on the wiki when editing thats how i knew that would work
[12:10] <mrmist> Any way to restart xgl without restarting x ?
[12:10] <aboapri> I love the slimmed down firefox you get with DSL or Puppy though.  anyone know how to get firefox installed like that on *ubuntu?  is that possible?
[12:10] <mrmist> sorry.. I need a way to TEST xgl, and it would be best not having to restart x all the time
[12:11] <haider> mrmist: dont think so
[12:11] <judgen> what is the advantages of k-merleon vs konq or mozilla?
[12:11] <distanceisdeath> hello, does anyone program using kate? or use kate at all?
[12:12] <mrmist> hmm
[12:12] <aboapri> k-meleon is slim and fast, very compatible, and very customizable.
[12:12] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: I do, what's up?
[12:12] <mrmist> cant get it to work :(
[12:12] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, python?
[12:12] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: yup
[12:12] <judgen> distanceisdeath: use kwrite instead
[12:13] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, when you use the for loop, it like boxes them up and tabs it for you.  i want to get rid of it. do you know how
[12:13] <aboapri> the closest thing I've found in linux is kazehakase.
[12:13] <judgen> aboapri: ok, but ff and konq is that too
[12:13] <distanceisdeath> judgen, i like the there is a built in terminal
[12:13] <eimajenthat> Howdy, anyone here familiar with old JetDirect's in LaserJet 4 Plus printers?
[12:14] <aboapri> it's basically a slimmed down firefox.
[12:14] <chavo> mrmist, you can rut it like this -> Xgl :1
[12:14] <aboapri> on my computer, firefox takes almost 10 seconds to start the first time....  that's too much bob!
[12:14] <chavo> mrmist, that'll load it into a small window on your desktop
[12:14] <judgen> aboapri: im usually not impressed with slimdowns.. as they offer (mostly) less functionality
[12:14] <judgen> aboapri: use konq then, its fast
[12:15] <aboapri> k-meleon offers more functionality, in my opinion.  if you use reactos, give it a whirl.
[12:15] <mrmist> chavo: yay :D It started
[12:15] <judgen> and if you really want that app you can always wine it
[12:15] <eimajenthat> it pings fine, but I can't get the web interface, and the printer finding programs in System Settings aren't finding it.
[12:15] <judgen> well im off too bed
[12:15] <judgen> cya
[12:15] <mikedep333> just so you guys know, ReactOS will be releasing a new version within a month or so
[12:15] <mrmist> chavo: It's just a emty screen though.... guess that's kinda' to expect :P
[12:15] <mrmist> hehe
[12:15] <mikedep333> .3, the networking release
[12:15] <mrmist> goodnight judgen
[12:15] <mikedep333> it will be a larger than usual improvement
[12:15] <LinuxMonkey> mikedep333:  so we still like kubuntu better :)
[12:16] <aboapri> bye judgen
[12:16] <chavo> mrmist, sure but you can run apps in it, just do DISPLAY=:1 xterm
[12:16] <mikedep333> I'm saying that you guys should wait for ROS to release .3 before you try out apps on it.
[12:16] <chavo> then launch what you want from the xterm there
[12:16] <distanceisdeath> k-meleon isnt that windows?
[12:16] <mrmist> chavo: How 'bout "compiz" ?
[12:16] <chavo> you can also use commandline switch to change the window size or make it fullscreen
[12:17] <ubuntu> hi
[12:17] <mrmist> chavo: Can I test it with the Xgl window ?
[12:17] <aboapri> yes, I was simply mentioning earlier that k-meleon is the app I miss most since switching to linux.
[12:17] <chavo> it's running in mine
[12:17] <distanceisdeath> is it for linux also?
[12:17] <mrmist> cool
[12:17] <aboapri> no linux version is unlikely.
[12:18] <distanceisdeath> okay
[12:18] <aboapri> it's heavily windows-optimized, that is part of why it is so fast I believe.
[12:18] <distanceisdeath> ahh
[12:18] <mikedep333> aboapri: k-meleon works pretty well on wine
[12:18] <mikedep333> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=1502
[12:18] <distanceisdeath> is t here any other good browsers? firefox doesnt play multimedia and konqueror is annoying
[12:19] <mikedep333> distanceisdeath: you need to add the mplayer plugin probably
[12:19] <aboapri> firefox does so play multimedia
[12:19] <mrmist> chavo: I'm able to start compiz in the window :) I've managed to run a xterm in there as well
[12:19] <distanceisdeath> it doesnt have sound for me
[12:19] <mikedep333> distanceisdeath: oh, grab opera
[12:19] <mikedep333> I think it is for ubuntu
[12:19] <mrmist> Any more functionality I can check ?
[12:19] <distanceisdeath> opera is on linux?
[12:19] <mikedep333> yes
[12:19] <distanceisdeath> thats cool
[12:20] <aboapri> yeah, I'm not going to do the wine thing....  I don't see how running a slimmed-down browser through a comptibility layer is logical.
[12:20] <chavo> mrmist, make sure gnome-window-decorator runs
[12:20] <mikedep333> aboapri: sometimes running apps on wine is faster than in windows
[12:20] <mikedep333> it's not that slow
[12:20] <mikedep333> and they work on integrating it with KDE
[12:20] <mikedep333> and gnome
[12:20] <mrmist> chavo: how do I start it ?
[12:20] <chavo> aah my keyboard is all messed up in the window
[12:21] <distanceisdeath> is opera in the multiverse, universe?
[12:21] <aboapri> interesting.  I would simply assume that it would lead to longer load times though at least.
[12:21] <aboapri> you got to get the .deb file off opera's website.
[12:21] <distanceisdeath> ahh okay
[12:21] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, any luck?
[12:21] <aboapri> I am unimpressed with Opera, myself.
[12:21] <mrmist> chavo: er... it was not that way... hehe
[12:22] <distanceisdeath> i just want a fast browser
[12:22] <aboapri> Although I am impressed that they are porting it to wii....  I am so getting one of those.
[12:22] <distanceisdeath> with multimedia
[12:22] <distanceisdeath> i have a 360
[12:22] <aboapri> I think the best bet for fast browser with multimedia is konqueror.
[12:22] <erov> all you must do is install the multimedia plugin.. plays fine.. what's not working with you?
[12:22] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: it's probably the Auto brackets setting under Editor->Editing
[12:22] <aboapri> I used to have a 360.    I know other people with them too.
[12:24] <distanceisdeath> the playstation 3's are destroy the competition so it doesnt really matter wii or 360
[12:25] <aboapri> they say ps3 is going to have linux pre-installed.  :)
[12:25] <aboapri> but it's also going to cost a small fortune.
[12:25] <erov> i was gonna say..
[12:25] <erov> :P
[12:25] <distanceisdeath> 600
[12:25] <aboapri> yeah, that is not a reasonable price for a game console, in my opinion.
[12:25] <distanceisdeath> well, if they are gonna try to band homebrew that would be so gay
[12:25] <distanceisdeath> like they do on the psp
[12:26] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, where is the editor option?
[12:26] <DrBair> if i did anything, id go for the wii. the 360 and ps3 are too expensive for my tastes
[12:26] <aboapri> then again, I'm a lower class blue collar worker, so I don't have a large disposable income.
[12:26] <distanceisdeath> im fourteen
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> Nintendo is the best games always has been always will be
[12:26] <mrmist> chavo: how do I start the decorator ?
[12:26] <distanceisdeath> hespawn, no
[12:26] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: Settings->Configure Kate, then the Editor-Editing section along the left
[12:26] <erov> yes.
[12:26] <chavo> mrmist, DISPLAY=:1 gnome-window-decorator
[12:27] <DrBair> anyone know how to probe a device attached to a serial port?
[12:27] <erov> *fires up the SNES emulator* ;)
[12:27] <DrBair> grab some device info or something
[12:27] <distanceisdeath> haha
[12:27] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, what do i uncheck/check
[12:27] <leafw> is there any way in kmail to search for a particular field, not just on the subject field?
[12:28] <ahmeni> distanceisdeath: unchecking Auto Brackets should do the trick
[12:28] <mrmist> chavo: Nothing happens
[12:28] <distanceisdeath> it was already unchecked?
[12:28] <aboapri> I love my ps2.
[12:29] <DrBair> leafw: yes
[12:29] <aboapri> crazy taxi, and katamari damacy, that's really all I need.
[12:29] <distanceisdeath> ps2 is final fantasy
[12:29] <DrBair> leafw: edit -> find messages
[12:29] <aboapri> I liked final fantasy x.
[12:29] <distanceisdeath> yeah
[12:29] <aboapri> x-2 was gay though.
[12:29] <leafw> DrBair : I just realized. Thanks.
[12:29] <distanceisdeath> x was the best NEW one
[12:29] <distanceisdeath> ever played 7 or 8?
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> distanceisdeath: any final fantasy after VI (ok 7 was ok) is no where near as good
[12:30] <aboapri> and xii, I played the demo, it looks pretty lame to me.
[12:30] <kunjan> anyone know how to make .torrents in dapper?
[12:30] <aboapri> x was the only final fantasy I really liked.
[12:30] <distanceisdeath> i dont play the new ones
[12:30] <aboapri> the skill system and combat system gave an interesting element of strategy.
[12:30] <distanceisdeath> kunjan, do you have ktorrent?
[12:30] <distanceisdeath> yeah, i liked the graphics
[12:30] <kunjan> distanceisdeath: umm  from the command line?
[12:31] <aboapri> graphics schmaphics.
[12:31] <distanceisdeath> look in your internet from the drop down applications
[12:31] <aboapri> one of my favourite games is my activision classics collection.
[12:31] <distanceisdeath> im just saying the graphics were good
[12:32] <kunjan> distanceisdeath: cant see anything.. .it has to be from the command line tho.. going to be part of a script
[12:32] <aboapri> graphics are overrated.
[12:32] <aboapri> I miss the cga days.
[12:32] <kkathman> overrated?
[12:32] <kkathman> hehe
[12:32] <jbirdAngel> its legal to run quicktime on linux, is it legal to use non quicktime programs to run quicktime media on linux?
[12:32] <aboapri> black, white, cyan, and magenta...  who needs more colours than that?
[12:32] <distanceisdeath> kunjan, its in my list.  try ktorrent in the command line, not sure though
[12:33] <kkathman> aboapri: well we could all go back to green screens :)
[12:33] <drbeams> i need a utility that will scan the network and let me see host names, ip address and thier coresponding mac addresses
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> The green screens were usually hercules
[12:33] <drbeams> and dump to a text file
[12:33] <distanceisdeath> i never played any of the black and whites, ataris, nes and some snes
[12:33] <aboapri> or orange.  ;)
[12:33] <aboapri> I had an orange screen with a hercules graphics card.
[12:33] <DrBair> jbirdAngel: afaik yes, but ianal
[12:34] <jbirdAngel> DrBair: what does the last word you said mean
[12:34] <jbirdAngel> youa re not a lawyer?
[12:34] <drbeams> I am not a Layer
[12:34] <drbeams> er loser
[12:34] <drbeams> or er lawyer
[12:34] <drbeams> :-)
[12:34] <kkathman> lol
[12:34] <aboapri> what is fun, is if you have one of those old monochrome monitors with composite video in...  you can watch dvds on it.  :))
[12:34] <jbirdAngel> okay thanks
[12:34] <distanceisdeath> haha
[12:35] <distanceisdeath> ahmeni, thanks
[12:35] <ahmeni> did it work?
[12:36] <distanceisdeath> i reduced the 8 to 0
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> aboapri: You use aaxine  for xine to watch films pi looks pretty good in it (you still see the patterns)
[12:36] <JasonL> gah
[12:36] <JasonL> what is meant to happen when you click logout>end current session
[12:36] <aboapri> I also miss my mac plus.  system 6 is by far the best version of macos.
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> aboapri: But the film is converted to ascii
[12:36] <aboapri> yeah...  I love aalib.  :)  libcaca is also cool.  ;)
[12:37] <distanceisdeath> im getting a mac mini soon, should i dual boot?
[12:37] <distanceisdeath> :)
[12:37] <kkathman> JasonL:  just what it says :)
[12:37] <JasonL> no, seriously, what happens?
[12:37] <kkathman> JasonL:  it should take you back to the logon splash
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> what does libcaca do ?
[12:37] <JasonL> mine doesnt
[12:37] <aboapri> libcaca is colour version of aalib.
[12:37] <JasonL> mine takes me to usplash where it hangs for a while, ends all processes and restarts my pc
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> can it be used from the console ?
[12:38] <kkathman> JasonL:  you are talking about the K-menu, Logout?
[12:38] <aboapri> kinda reminds you of the ANSI bbs days....
[12:38] <JasonL> yes
[12:38] <aboapri> console?  I dunno, I would assume yes.
[12:38] <aboapri> I always used it from VLC.
[12:38] <JasonL> where you have "End current session" "restart" and "turn off"
[12:38] <kkathman> JasonL:  yes it should just log you off your session and take you back to usplash and allow you to login to another session if you wish
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> aboapri: I was looking for a console media player found aaxine by accident
[12:39] <kkathman> JasonL:  if you choose that option that is
[12:39] <JasonL> ok, is usplash where kde is started or the very simple kubuntu logo with the white text under it where processes are started?
[12:39] <distanceisdeath> bbl bye
[12:39] <Mongey> who has themed kde here? any tips?
[12:39] <kkathman> JasonL:  there should be a splash that allows you to enter your name and password
[12:39] <JasonL> no
[12:39] <aboapri> google for libcaca, I don't use the console much, because frankly, I am not well enough acquainted with linux yet.
[12:39] <kkathman> hmm
[12:39] <kkathman> well there is on mine ;)
[12:39] <JasonL> i get taking to the splash that appears before that on boot
[12:40] <JasonL> and it takes ages for it to end processess and restart
[12:40] <kkathman> hmm thats not right I dont think
[12:40] <JasonL> =( i guessed that
[12:40] <JasonL> but how to fix it
[12:40] <kkathman> now thats a good question :)
[12:40] <JasonL> could it be an acpi problem?
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> JasonL: If you are using fglrx it happens often (not shutting down properly)
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> uh, is it just me or did kopete lose the ability to go invisible to certain users with kde 3.4.3?
[12:41] <JasonL> fglrx?
[12:41] <mluser-work> Does anyone know which repo has skype?
[12:41] <JasonL> and I have only just install Kubuntu
[12:41] <kkathman> !info skype
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> JasonL: Ati binary driverfs
[12:41] <aboapri> easy ubuntu will install skype for you.
[12:41] <kkathman> hmm
[12:41] <JasonL> i restarted from live, cam here, and tried end session...
[12:41] <JasonL> i have a ati card
[12:42] <kkathman> oh wait
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> Did you install the binary drivers though ?
[12:42] <JasonL> i have not installed anything
[12:42] <kkathman> skype is now owned by Mdollar so it wont be in the repos
[12:42] <JasonL> im fresh from the live cd
[12:42] <kkathman> right?
[12:42] <JasonL> apart from the end session i did
[12:42] <mluser-work> hmmm
[12:43] <JasonL> its annoying me alot
[12:43] <JasonL> and i would like to fix it asap
[12:46] <Hawkeye> JasonL, can i help you?
[12:46] <JasonL> you tell me =P
[12:46] <JasonL> when i end current session i am taken to usplash and my pc restarts
[12:46] <Hawkeye> what model of ati video card you have?
[12:47] <JasonL> radeon 9550
[12:47] <Hawkeye> you cannot start kde, is right?
[12:47] <aboapri> that's the same model I have.  that card sucks.
[12:47] <Hawkeye> the ati video card are not best for linux :-(
[12:48] <aboapri> it even sucked under windows.
[12:48] <JasonL> i know this now =P
[12:48] <JasonL> im in kde now
[12:48] <aboapri> for some reason, windows or linux....  always detect it as 9600
[12:48] <ron_> when i go to adept and try to install sun-java5-bin, it downloads fine but i get an error when it tries to install.  anyone know how i can get it to install??
[12:48] <JasonL> its just when i try and end current session
[12:48] <aboapri> under windows, that made it slow as hell until you manually installed the 9550 drivers.
[12:48] <isaid> alguien me puede ayudar a cofiguara kubuntu
[12:49] <Hawkeye> JasonL, have you tried to download official driver for linux from ati website?
[12:49] <YazzY> hi guys
[12:49] <JasonL> no
[12:50] <JasonL> should I?? I had no problems with breezy
[12:50] <slow-motion> n8
[12:50] <aboapri> the standard "ati" driver works best for me.
[12:50] <YazzY> I have a kinda unusual problem with sound on my system. I had it working after initial installation of breezy but it stoped working when i upgraded to dapper.
[12:50] <Hawkeye> iif you no have problem, no
[12:51] <YazzY> i can play the sound files but nothing comes out from the speakers (which are ok since they worked before and work fine in windows now as well)
[12:51] <YazzY> any slightest idea what can be causing my problem?
[12:52] <aboapri> I had a bunch of problems when I upgraded.  Have you tried doing a clean install?
[12:52] <YazzY> aboapri: no
[12:52] <YazzY> and i am not intending either after hours of customization
[12:54] <YazzY> there must be some other way to fix this issue
[12:55] <aboapri> oh, re-installing the OS is pretty much my cure-all for any problems I ever have.
[12:57] <Mongey> !ksmoothdock
[12:57] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Mongey
[12:57] <Mongey> :(
[12:57] <aboapri> that and beer.
[12:57] <Mongey> how do i get ksmoothdock to run
[12:58] <YazzY> aboapri: that's what the less knowledgable do
[12:58] <aboapri> well, that's me.
[12:58] <YazzY> hm, must be something in the device naming, my printer was /dev/usb/lp0 before and now it's /dev/usblp0
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: you around? If so is has kopete been modified for simplicity?
[01:00] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: it's not been touched
[01:00] <Riddell> oh, tabs by default
[01:01] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: hrm, in the 3.4.3 I can't go invisible or always visible to people. Only my overall status. I just compiled myself and I can.
[01:01] <Riddell> use 3.5.3?
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> oops, yeah, that's what I meant.
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: that's ICQ protocol btw. I haven't really looked with other protos.
[01:03] <Riddell> ICQ in kopete is always broken
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: well anyway, no real biggie, it's just that it worked before when I was compiling from svn pre .12, and then didn't when I upgraded to 3.5.3, then worked again when I compiled from svn again.
[01:05] <kkathman> cant the koffice 1.5 suite use the msttcorefonts??
[01:05] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: I was afraid it had been moddified to be like that on purpose.
[01:05] <kkathman> I installed them, but they dont show up in koffice :(
[01:05] <kkathman> maybe only oo2?
[01:06] <fatejudger> I think that the atheros drivers are preventing me from using ndiswrapper, despite the fact that I disabled the interface using them
[01:06] <fatejudger> could there be anything else that's conflicting with it?
[01:06] <fatejudger> because I can't seem to get ndiswrapper's interface to show up
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: thanks for clarifying. :)
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Why are you using ndiswrapper with atheros ?
[01:06] <fatejudger> I'd rather not use atheros
[01:07] <fatejudger> the drivers are crappier
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> Than the windows drivers ?
[01:07] <fatejudger> no offense to the atheros devels, but they're reverse engineering proprietary tech
[01:07] <fatejudger> it just isn't going to work as well
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> No they are not madwifi is totally open source
[01:07] <fatejudger> I know it is
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> the only non free part is ath_hal atheros pay someone to write them
[01:08] <_vladi_> hey, anyone here know how to pick which version of java I want to use? I know there is a command for it but I cant seem to find what that command is
[01:08] <fatejudger> but they don't have access or know about any proprietary features that are used on certain cards
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> Yes they do
[01:08] <fatejudger> atheros is great, but I'm tired of going out in my living room and having my connection drop
[01:08] <fatejudger> when I know that the Windows drivers don't do that
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> have you tried madwifi-ng ?
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Are you using network manager ?
[01:09] <fatejudger> the problem is that my router uses the atheros super G tech
[01:09] <fatejudger> yes, I am
[01:09] <fatejudger> which is part of the reason it's getting so damn complicated
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> The atheros drivers in dapper do not support network manager properly
[01:09] <Sanne> _vladi_, I belive it is: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[01:09] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well another reason to use ndiswrapper then
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: madwifi-ng does
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Including super g
[01:10] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: why would it be able to connect and work, but not as well as the windows drivers without madwifi-ng?
[01:11] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: where is madwifi-ng located?
[01:11] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it's not in universe
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Because madwifi-old (one in ubuntu) does not support scanning an active interface whilst it is up fully hence the connection drops often
[01:11] <_vladi_> Sanne: yes thats exactly it, thanks
[01:12] <Sanne> _vladi_, you're welcome
[01:12] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: okay, so I need to get the new madwifi packages?
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You need to compile them
[01:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: damn, okay
[01:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: don't you have to compile those things against that kernel?
[01:13] <distanceisdeath> whats madwifi, again?
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: http://snapshots.madwifi.org/madwifi-ng-current.tar.gz
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: kernel headers should be enough
[01:14] <fatejudger> what package does it replace?
[01:14] <fatejudger> and hasn't someone compiled a deb for the latest kernel?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> madwifi-old is integrated into the ubuntu kernel
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> edgy will probably use madwifi-ng
[01:15] <fatejudger> lol
[01:15] <fatejudger> well what am I supposed to do?
[01:15] <_vladi_> anyway to install the eclipse package without installing the gnu java bytecode interpreter?
[01:15] <fatejudger> it sounds like it would be far easier to use ndiswrapper
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: blacklist the old modules
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: all you need to do is tar xvzf madwifi-ng-current.tar.gz then then run make and make install
[01:16] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I know how to compile it
[01:16] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: but I need to know how to disable the other one
[01:16] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: if it's in the kernel, I can't just remove a package
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: It would be installed to a different location
[01:18] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: so how to do I go about disabling the old madwifi then?
[01:18] <_vladi_> is there something buggy with the eclipse packages? they require me to install mozilla-browser as well as the gnu java bytecode interpreter (when i alreayd have the sun jdk installed)
[01:19] <fatejudger> there's an eclipse package?
[01:20] <fatejudger> what's the point of using a Java IDE without Matisse
[01:20] <fatejudger> you might as well use KDevelop or Kate
[01:20] <_vladi_> what is Matisse?
[01:20] <ChefWill> anyone use network-manager know how i can setup a network that is "Hidden" from public view to be displayed in the menu and preferences saved so id ont have to re-renter the info and pass each time?
[01:20] <Hikaru79> _vladi_: it's a GUI editor built into Netbeans. Very powerful.
[01:21] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: if I "make install" is it just going to overwrite the old madwifi stuff?
[01:21] <_vladi_> ok sure, but i've built huge java programs before just with eclipse and its been fine
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: No it will install them to a different location
[01:21] <ron_> can anyone tell me how to install sun's jre?  adept always fails in the install process
[01:21] <fatejudger> Matisse isn't anything special, it just uses the grabbaglayout or whatever the hell it's called
[01:21] <_vladi_> gridbaglayour
[01:21] <_vladi_> yea i can write all that manually, its not a problem
[01:22] <fatejudger> QT's GUI development IDE is far more mature
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You need to add some stuff to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but I am trying to find the correct thing (I use 2.6.16)
[01:22] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I hear that kernel is much better
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I am using it with madwifi-ng , fglrx doesn't crash on reboot anymore and I have the realtime preempt patches on it its working well
[01:23] <_vladi_> has anyone used KDevelop before? is it any good?
[01:23] <_vladi_> i might just give it a go
[01:24] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: the madwifi installer is asking me whether I'd like to remove my old madwifi modules
[01:24] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: should I just trust it to do it right?
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I would say so
[01:25] <Kadran> is the amd64 version of kubuntu works for intel 64 or it is only for amd?
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: (even with old madwifi you can get turbo mode using iwpriv ath0 turbo 1 iwpriv ath0 xr 1 iwpriv ath0 burst 1 (It has all the features its just network manager doesn't support them)
[01:26] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: damn, it didn't work
[01:26] <_vladi_> Kadran: virtually everything that works for amd64 will work for intel64
[01:26] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it tried to install the package but it wouldn't let it since linux-image-2.6.15 conflicted with it
[01:26] <Kadran> _vladi_: thanks
[01:26] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: so much for that idea...
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Try running make uninstall from that directory
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Where you using checkinstall to make the package ?
[01:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: lol, yes, I just did a make install instead
[01:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm obsessive about having everything packaged
[01:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: so how will I know that everything works?
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> iwlist scan ath0 will look like this http://pastebin.com/768658
[01:29] <KuLover> How can I configure flash to work with a compiled version of firefox, as opposed to the version in the repos
[01:29] <aboapri> what's ath0?
[01:29] <aboapri> lol, I remember it being the off-hook command for modems.
[01:30] <umberleigh> hey. is there any easy way of editing the contents of a data dvd+rw disc in k3b? at the moment i'm having to copy the disc's contents to my hard drive, edit, then overwrite the whole disc.
[01:30] <Sanne> KuLover, I'm just putting the plugin files into ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[01:31] <KuLover> And it works that way?
[01:31] <Sanne> KuLover, for me it does. The files for flash are named here: flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You will need network manager to use the wext extensions instead of madwifi which is built against madwifi-old (unless you want to rebuild wpa_supplicant which is a pain)
[01:32] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: how can I enable the "super g" speeds?
[01:32] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: wext?
[01:33] <mrmist> my screen gets all messed up during boot
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Generic linux wireless extentions
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: All the drivers should be using it eventually
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwpriv ath0 turbo 1
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwpriv ath0 xr 1
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> iwpriv ath0 burst 1
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> (dunno how do do that with network manager
[01:35] <KuLover> Thanks so much, Sanne
[01:35] <Sanne> KuLover, you're welcome :)
[01:36] <mrmist> Anyone else but me experienced that the boot-up status-screen gets seriously messed up ?
[01:36] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: so I'm pretty much stuck with the old madwifi stuff if I use network manager?
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: No
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I just don't know exactly how it deals with it
[01:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I take it you don't use network manager
[01:38] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I just set my wireless stuff in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:38] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: any ideas on how to get it working with network manager?
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Just try it I think it will probably try wext by default
[01:39] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I did, it can't communicated with the card
[01:39] <fatejudger> *communicate
[01:39] <fatejudger> Interface doesn't accept private ioctl...
[01:39] <fatejudger> turbo (8BE0): No such device or address
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Has the machine been rebooted ?
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: can you do iwlist ath0 scan ?
[01:40] <fatejudger> no, it hasn't been rebooted
[01:40] <fatejudger> and yes, I can do the scan
[01:40] <fatejudger> maybe I ought to reboot it then
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> does it appear in the same format as mine before ?
[01:40] <fatejudger> well not exactly, you have security enabled
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> Or is there less text ?(the old way)
[01:41] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: the format looks very similar to yours
[01:41] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: if you want I can pastebin it
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> ok
[01:41] <fatejudger> http://pastebin.com/768738
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> (It probably would be best to reboot though)
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> That is the new driver though
[01:42] <ChefWill> u
[01:42] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: alright, let me reboot
[01:49] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I restarted but the hardware wouldn't load
[01:49] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I think that ndiswrapper might be conflicting with the atheros drivers
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: so iwlist scan ath0 did nothing ?
[01:50] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I can't connect to the internet
[01:50] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm on my desktop now
[01:50] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it refuses to connect to my AP now
[01:53] <trip> Any of ya know of a way to work with .daa files from linux?
[01:54] <Mongey> thunderbird is nowhere tobe found
[01:54] <Mongey> how do i run it?
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Add ndiswrapper to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[01:55] <darkseed> how do i fix nvidia screen freeze ive tried everything? please help!!!
[01:56] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Can you connect to the network with iwconfig
[01:56] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: honestly, I didn't try
[01:56] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I figured that network manager did its best
[01:56] <fatejudger> heh
[01:57] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: ok, when booting Kubuntu it stops at "Loading hardware drivers"
[01:57] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: this happened before I blacklisted ndiswrapper as well
[01:58] <danial> Hello
[01:58] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I just figured that ndis and atheros were conflicting
[01:58] <danial> I am having some problems with DNS lookup on my ubuntu system
[01:58] <danial> this problem just popped up a few days ago
[01:58] <ljl> danial: i have DNS problems too. what's the problem precisely?
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: wait until it comes up and then do /sbin/ifconfig -a (see if ath0 is there)
[02:00] <danial> Whenever I change domains, it takes a good while
[02:00] <ljl> hm different from my problem then. i simply can't get a DNS server to stay set up
[02:00] <danial> mine will connect, but it takes around 10 seconds
[02:01] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: ath0 is there, but so it wifi0_ifr
[02:01] <fatejudger> *is
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Thats normal wifi0 is for wext
[02:02] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: then why does it not boot up correctly?
[02:02] <scast> where i configure the network in kubuntu?
[02:03] <ljl> scast: K / System Settings / Network Settings
[02:03] <ljl> if you're lucky
[02:03] <kkathman> yeah be careful :)
[02:03] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Sometimes it stops at the restricted modules part when its checking disks for me
[02:03] <kkathman> if you have both gnome and kubuntu installed...use sudo network-admin instead
[02:03] <ljl> ... /etc/network/interfaces if you're less lucky, and just bang your head against a wall if you're even less lucky ;)
[02:03] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well then why isn't it connecting to my AP?
[02:04] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: let me try to do it manually
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: try removing usplash and quiet from the kernel line in menu.lst and rebooting it again (more verbose information)
[02:05] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: nothing comes of doing it manually
[02:05] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: the cards acts as though it can't connect to any APs
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: sudo ifconfig ath0 up
[02:06] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: let me restart with verbose
[02:06] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: yes, I tried that
[02:06] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwlist scan ath0
[02:07] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it says it's connected to my AP
[02:07] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: at least on the iwlist scan ath0 command
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: just run sudo dhclient ath0
[02:08] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: tried that already
[02:08] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: ifconfig doesn't say it's connected to an AP either
[02:08] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: just the iwlist scan ath0 command
[02:08] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: It could be network manager interferring
[02:09] <fatejudger> I guess I could kill network manager
[02:09] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: The iwlist implies the driver is working
[02:09] <fatejudger> should I try that and test it again?
[02:09] <gurumeditationer> is there a smart reason that the gcc packages don't make /usr/bin symlinks?
[02:10] <ljl> gurumeditationer: you mean the ones older than version 4?
[02:10] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I would say so the vebose output would also be useful
[02:10] <gurumeditationer> gcc-4.0 was the first one I installed
[02:11] <gurumeditationer> "gcc" on the command line did nothing so I installed gcc
[02:11] <gurumeditationer> s/Installed gcc/Installed the gcc package
[02:11] <LjL> gurumeditationer: and that worked? (it should)
[02:11] <gurumeditationer> Nope
[02:12] <LjL> gurumeditationer: fact is, you might want to have several versions of GCC installed at the same times. so if you install a specific version (i.e. not just the package "gcc"), you won't get a symlink so that it doesn't conflict with the main version
[02:12] <LjL> though it's strange that the "gcc" package didn't create the symlink
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: okay, I just tried disabling network manager and manually enabling
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: same thing happens
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: iwlist works
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: iwconfig says that I knows I want to connect to my AP, but it isn't connected
[02:13] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: and ifconfig thinks the interface isn't connected at all
[02:14] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm going to restart with verbose
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> ok
[02:15] <eimajenthat> hey, I'm having trouble with the ole nvidia kernel module
[02:16] <eimajenthat> Apparently I've been running the nv driver, but I switched my xorg.conf for one I used on this computer before, and that one uses the nvidia driver
[02:17] <eimajenthat> I have the package installed for the nvidia driver, but I get an error when I try to startx
[02:17] <gurumeditationer> did you install the nvidia-glx package?
[02:17] <eimajenthat> If someone can remind me where xorg logfiles live, I'll pastebin it
[02:17] <eimajenthat> yeah, that's the one
[02:17] <eimajenthat> I've had it installed for a long time
[02:18] <LjL> eimajenthat: /var/log/Xorg.*
[02:18] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: no errors are apparent, but it does stop while loading "wifi0"
[02:18] <eimajenthat> and it's currently installed, and up to date
[02:18] <danial> this whole DNS thing is a real pain
[02:18] <LjL> danial: for all i'm concerned, i used to find it way nicer when i could just spit an IP address into /etc/resolv.conf =)
[02:20] <Kadran> hi, i have two hd one with kubuntu (ext3) then i installed winxp (ntfs) after, and i can't add windws in the grub menu, any help?
[02:20] <henrique> my Compaq V2000 doesn't see my pendrive, what's happening?
[02:20] <NthDegree> henrique just mount it
[02:21] <henrique> i already tried
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: We just need to find how to tell network manager to use wext
[02:21] <gurumeditationer> Kadran: Have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst, there should be a commented out example
[02:21] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: why is it having trouble loading the drivers at boot though?
[02:21] <henrique> by konsole i can see the files
[02:22] <danial> I wasn't even sure what the problem was untill I noticed that "Looking up [address] " in firefox's status bar
[02:22] <danial> But It made sense because pings where showing up fine, but taking a long time to run
[02:22] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: i tried to follow this example but didn't worked, i don't know what i am doing wrong
[02:22] <Darkseed> nvidi help on new kubuntu
[02:22] <Darkseed> nvidia lol
[02:23] <gurumeditationer> Kadren, do you know what exact drive/partition your windows installation is?
[02:23] <LjL> gurumeditationer: for me, installing gcc does create a symlink
[02:24] <mrfishhat> what kernal does 6.06 use standard?
[02:24] <gurumeditationer> LjL, it seems like something magical has happened with me
[02:24] <LjL> gurumeditationer: perhaps try "apt-get --reinstall install gcc"
[02:24] <gurumeditationer> 2.6.15-23
[02:24] <eimajenthat> http://pastebin.com/768798
[02:24] <danial> Is there any way to competely flush all my network settings and have them regenerate themselves?
[02:25] <gurumeditationer> I've just made the symlink by hand, it's all working
[02:25] <eimajenthat> LjL: http://pastebin.com/768798
[02:25] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: i have windows on a hd1, and kubuntu on other hd0
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Not sure about that I have just installed network manager and it seems to be not working properly
[02:26] <gurumeditationer> What partition number is windows on?>
[02:26] <eimajenthat> LjL: I thought I remembered seeing another slightly different error, about not being able to run an install script
[02:27] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: sorry, i don't understand, it is on the whole hd space
[02:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it sounds like newer versions of network manager don't have this problem
[02:27] <gurumeditationer> you on linux right now?
[02:27] <LjL> eimajenthat: not sure what the problem might be
[02:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: isn't it always that the "next release" will fix everything?
[02:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it's starting to get a little cliche
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I am using network manager and it seems to be ok for me
[02:27] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: you just said it didn't work
[02:28] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: yes
[02:28] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: you're also using the newer kernel
[02:28] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: maybe that makes a difference
[02:28] <gurumeditationer> Kadran, on a prompt: sudo fdisk /dev/hdb (or whatever the drive number is)
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I just loaded it and ifdown ath0
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: And the connection came back straight away]
[02:28] <gurumeditationer> Kadran, then hit p and return to see a partition list, look and see which one is bootable
[02:28] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well I wonder wtf the problem is then
[02:29] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it must hvae something to do with that damned ndiswrapper
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> does it appear in the output of lsmod
[02:31] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: http://pastebin.com/768810
[02:31] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I don't see it in there
[02:33] <gurumeditationer> Kadran, shove this on the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst -> http://pastebin.com/768813
[02:34] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: thanks alot gurumeditationer :)
[02:34] <gurumeditationer> np
[02:34] <gurumeditationer> try not to boot it too much
[02:35] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: i hate windows alot but i have to work on asp.net do you know any substitute for it?
[02:36] <havoc> lots of stuff to backup first though :|
[02:36] <gurumeditationer> apache/php
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Try disabling knetworkmanager and adding this section to /etc/network/interfaces then run ifup ath0
[02:36] <jbirdAngel> legal way to play multimedia files on linux in the usa?
[02:37] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: http://pastebin.com/768819
[02:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I got it working without network manager
[02:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: and without that command
[02:37] <Kadran> gurumeditationer: yeah tell that to the company, :( for the first time i feel home in the first day job,
[02:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it was strange, I just came back to my laptop, and it was working
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> Without doing anything ?
[02:38] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: well I had to get an IP
[02:38] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: but that's it
[02:38] <gurumeditationer> fatejudger: your ath0 device doesn't happen to be a Wistron CM9?
[02:38] <fatejudger> Dlink
[02:38] <fatejudger> DWL-G650
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Thats what the pastebin above had in it (so you could use ifup ath0 and ifdown ath0 properly
[02:39] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I just activated knetworkmanager again, and once again it's broken
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Have you found anything about wext support for network manager
[02:39] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: did you ever restart your computer after you installed knetworkmanager?
[02:39] <_nathan> Hi, I was wondering how I can see my computer's specs (like ram ant ghz)
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: No
[02:40] <gurumeditationer> Mines is a CM9 and it uses the Atheros 5212 chipset(hence the ath0) and it doesn't behave at all if it isn't given a iwpriv ath0 authmode 2 on boot
[02:40] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I've been looking, but I've only come across WPA tutorials for Network Manager
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I brought the interface down though
[02:40] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: maybe you ought to restart
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I don't want to use network manager
[02:40] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: what's wrong with network manager?
[02:40] <_nathan> I bet it's realy easy to find, but I just can't
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I never have problems just doing it manually
[02:41] <fatejudger> what about the bling factor?
[02:41] <D0M1N8R__> Without a internet connection.. How do I go about getting the kernerl source. Vmware and Parallels both want matching kernel source
[02:42] <fatejudger> lol
[02:42] <_nathan> is there any cammand line text that will show me it?
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: When the connection is up see if the iwpriv commands increase the connection speed (the ones I gave you before)
[02:42] <D0M1N8R__> Well I got a internet connection here so I can transfer the files over to ther pc using CD-Rom
[02:42] <_nathan> anyone?
[02:42] <gurumeditationer> D0M1N8R__, you better start rewriting it now because it took 15 years so far...
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Is the router a netgear WGT634U ?
[02:43] <_nathan> ideas?
[02:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: lol, okay, let me see if I can get it working again
[02:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: no, it's the matching router for my card
[02:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: Dlink something
[02:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: do you want the exact model #?
[02:43] <_nathan> common, help, I'm sure it's real simple!
[02:43] <D0M1N8R__> LoL well as I said though I can transfer it using cdrom. Just dont have internet access at the other puter with kubuntu atm so apt-get doesnt work.
[02:44] <_nathan> please... :(
[02:44] <cbglasgow> something terrible just happened...ok, i removed the gcc base package using Adept and it uninstalled every single package in my Kubunty
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I don't really need the model number (its just I have some custom images I have made for that particular netgear router)
[02:44] <cbglasgow> Kubuntu*
[02:44] <cbglasgow> i did it by accident
[02:44] <_nathan> help me out a little
[02:44] <D0M1N8R__> _nathan I missed the question
[02:44] <gurumeditationer> download the debs you need from directories such as http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.15/
[02:45] <cbglasgow> but geez, can anybody tell me why this happened and if it is fixable?
[02:45] <gurumeditationer> then when you've got them on the netless machine use sudo dpkg --install package_to_install.deb
[02:45] <cbglasgow> i just installed kubuntu all over again cause i didnt know what to do
[02:45] <_nathan> DOM1N8R__: How can I see my system specs?
[02:45] <kbrooks_> Riddell: ping?
[02:45] <cbglasgow> gurumeditationer, are you talking to me?
[02:46] <gurumeditationer> no cbglasgow, that was for D0M1N8R
[02:46] <cbglasgow> any advice on my problem?
[02:46] <D0M1N8R__> thanks
[02:46] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: ok, so what were those commands again?
[02:46] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I'm on my laptop now
[02:46] <gurumeditationer> I'm not 100% sure what your asking for, haven't you already reinstall Kubuntu
[02:46] <D0M1N8R__> _nathan there is the kinfocenter
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> iwpriv ath0 burst 1
[02:47] <_nathan> D0M1N8R__:  What's that?
[02:47] <gunjamin> can anyone help me please??
[02:47] <D0M1N8R__> in KDE click K then system then kinfocenter
[02:47] <mrfishhat> hi, i just got a tv tuner card and was wondering if anyone knew how to install it?
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwpriv ath0 turbo 1
[02:47] <gunjamin> i've used google and cant find any answers
[02:47] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwpriv ath0 xr 1
[02:48] <kbrooks_> i need a kubuntu developer
[02:48] <kbrooks_> and fast
[02:48] <_nathan> D0M1N8R__: cool! thanx.  I knew it'd be easy I just coundn't find it.  bye
[02:48] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: that last one gives a segfault
[02:48] <gunjamin> please, i would really appreciate if someone could tell me why removing gcc uninstalled my whole kde
[02:48] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Ok I need some help
[02:48] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: it does not.
[02:48] <gunjamin> it did for me
[02:48] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: huh?
[02:48] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: pastebin output
[02:48] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I would like to delete a file from the windows side of my harddrive and I know it is a keylogger but it won't delete
[02:49] <gunjamin> i removed it using adept by accident
[02:49] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: show screenshots, etc
[02:49] <gunjamin> and it uninstalled every package i had on kubuntu
[02:49] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: did it mention kubuntu-desktop?
[02:49] <gunjamin> i couldnt take a screenshot, it uninstalled my screenshot capturer
[02:49] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> it tells me: That I can not delet the file
[02:49] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: it didn't do that. are you one hundred percent sure?
[02:49] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> How would I be able to delete it?
[02:49] <gunjamin> yeah i am
[02:50] <gunjamin> i couldnt do anything
[02:50] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: DID it mention kubuntu-desktop? do you remember?
[02:50] <gunjamin> i just had a blank os
[02:50] <gunjamin> why? what is kubuntu desktop?
[02:50] <gunjamin> i dont think it mentioned that
[02:50] <DaSkreech> Whats the problem?
[02:50] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Can anyone help me??
[02:51] <DaSkreech> lol
[02:51] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Can anyone help me??
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Don't to the last one then
[02:51] <DaSkreech> I don't know LiNuX_LoVeR_17
[02:51] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: let me get this straight. you remove GCC, and then somehow removing gccc removes kde?
[02:51] <DaSkreech> Whats the issue?
[02:51] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I tried that command again and now I can't stop the program
[02:51] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Can you try?
[02:51] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> lol
[02:51] <gunjamin> hey daskreech, i am cbglasgow if you remember me from earlier
[02:51] <DaSkreech> I don't know again
[02:51] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: so apparently I'm going to have to restart my computer, again
[02:51] <DaSkreech> hi gunjamin
[02:51] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> would you try?
[02:51] <gurumeditationer> kubuntu-desktop is a "fake-package" that doesn't install anything itself but depends on KDE and all the stuff kubuntu needs to make it kubuntu rather than ubuntu
[02:51] <gunjamin> yes, exactly kbrooks
[02:51] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I think that one is quite experimental
[02:52] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: doesn't do that for me on ubuntu.
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: before you restart try
[02:52] <gurumeditationer> so when you install kubuntu-desktop it installs KDE for you, it's useless on kubuntu because if you remove it it doesn't remove anything else
[02:52] <gunjamin> hmm, what do you think couldve been the problem
[02:52] <kbrooks_> gurumeditationer: can you try and duplicate with "apt-get remove gcc"?
[02:52] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> brb
[02:52] <gurumeditationer> it's only for the ubuntu crowd that realise GNOME is pants
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: iwlist ath0 rate
[02:52] <gunjamin> i will tell you the exact name of the package i uninstalled in ovne sec
[02:52] <kbrooks_> gurumeditationer: its not only for the ubuntu crowd
[02:52] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: but nothing responds...
[02:53] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: let me restart and I'll try
[02:53] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell LiNuX_LoVeR_17 about ask
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: OK (that was just one I found out when I was messing around with madwifi on my netgear router
[02:53] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: alright, brb then
[02:53] <gunjamin> gcc-4.0-base
[02:53] <gunjamin> that is the exact package i removed
[02:53] <gunjamin> and it ruined everything
[02:54] <gunjamin> gcc-4.0-base
[02:54] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: h/o
[02:54] <gunjamin> ok
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> gunjamin: Did you try upgrading to gcc-4.1 (from debian sid or anything ?)
[02:55] <gunjamin> no, dont believe so
[02:55] <mrfishhat> any ideas what this means?
[02:55] <mrfishhat> make[2] : Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/build'
[02:55] <mrfishhat> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[02:55] <gurumeditationer> gcc-4.0-base doesn't provide anything that is system-essential
[02:55] <DaSkreech> in fact I'm fairly certian it's not installed when you install ubuntu
[02:56] <gunjamin> man, i wonder what happened then? i panicked as i saw adept uninstall several familiar package names
[02:56] <gunjamin> like i saw it uninstall each and every one
[02:56] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: what are these names?
[02:56] <gurumeditationer> make is saying it's not got instructions for how to build the "modules" either you arn't supposed to type "make modules" but something else or somethings broke
[02:56] <gurumeditationer> Are you following 2.4.x kernel compile instructions for a 2.6.x kernel?
[02:57] <kbrooks_> gurumeditationer: hilight people
[02:57] <gunjamin> ya know, stuff like gaim, konqueror, kaffeine, EVERYTHING
[02:57] <gunjamin> all my apps
[02:57] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Would someone tell me please, how I could delete a file from a windows partition on Kubuntu?
[02:57] <gurumeditationer> you sure you didn't uninstall something else like bintools?
[02:57] <kbrooks_> gurumeditationer: using: "part<tab>" (replace "part")
[02:57] <gunjamin> i am maybe 95% sure
[02:58] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: then you're nort sure at all
[02:58] <gurumeditationer> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: before you can rm a file you must have A) the drive mounted readable and B) the permissions to rm it
[02:58] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: Is it an NTFS partition?
[02:58] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Yes
[02:58] <gurumeditationer> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, are you asking how to delete a file, or are you saying your having trouble with this one in particular.
[02:58] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> and it is mounted
[02:58] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell LiNuX_LoVeR_17 about NTFS
[02:59] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I used the commands
[02:59] <gurumeditationer> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, Ahh, forget it if its NTFS
[02:59] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> I am asking how to delete a file.
[02:59] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: the iwlist scan ath0 says that it goes up only to 54 mbps
[02:59] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> wait
[02:59] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: what would be the best way to test to see if it's working or not?
[02:59] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> ok here is why
[02:59] <gunjamin> all i can say though is, this is my first day using ubuntu and i was kinda ticked off that i was able to screw up everything so easily
[02:59] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: what about iwlist ath0 rate
[02:59] <gunjamin> but i guess thats where linux's power comes from
[03:00] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: wtf, current bit rate is 6 mbps
[03:00] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> there is a virus but it is hidden and I can only see it from the linux side so I was hoping I can delete the file or at least rename it.
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: What is the max one listed as ?
[03:00] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: very powerful
[03:00] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: 54 mbps
[03:00] <kbrooks_> gunjamin: admin privileges should not be used lightly
[03:01] <gunjamin> so kbrooks, it is not unusual at all that i would be able to F&*# up everything so quickly, right?
[03:01] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> is that possible?
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> gunjamin: I think badly messing it all up is part of learning to use linux
[03:01] <gunjamin> yeah, definitely
[03:02] <gunjamin> i did learn alot today so far though
[03:02] <gunjamin> i really like linux
[03:02] <gurumeditationer> It can have a steep learning curve at times, gunjamin
[03:02] <gurumeditationer> But think of it like this, Linux is probably the last OS you'll ever have to learn.
[03:03] <gunjamin> the learning curve is definitely pretty steep
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> gurumediationer: Do you never think plan 9 will take off
[03:03] <h3sp4wn> gurumediationer: The ideas are good in it
[03:03] <gunjamin> i have dabbled quite a bit previously with puppy linux
[03:03] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: technically yes but you stand a chance of messing up your partitons
[03:03] <gunjamin> but it is a very simple linux distro
[03:03] <gunjamin> has anyone here tried puppy?
[03:04] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Plan 9?
[03:04] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: Why don't you boot into safe mode for Windows and delete it?
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> Its a research operating system by bell labs (more unix than unix)
[03:04] <gurumeditationer> h3sp4wn, plan 9 is nice right enough, it's even by one of the ol' unix boys. But *nix has too much momentum now.
[03:04] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> good plan
[03:04] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I'm guessing that the driver didn't end up installing right
[03:04] <gunjamin> nobody here has tried puppy linux?
[03:04] <gurumeditationer> Plus if a truelly compelling feature/ideology takes hold linux will change to adopt it.
[03:05] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> Thanks never thought of that
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: What are you going to do rebuild network manager ?
[03:05] <DaSkreech> LiNuX_LoVeR_17: If that doesn't work the new Knoppix allows you to delete from NTFS
[03:05] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I have no idea
[03:05] <DaSkreech> It's still kinda dangerous so UB!
[03:05] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I'm really out of ideas
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: But it can connect ?
[03:06] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: yeah, I'm on my laptop right now
[03:06] <gurumeditationer> LiNuX_LoVeR_17, you better be prepared for a ruined filesystem. It may not be likley but it's still possible so don't do anything to a NTFS partition that holds important shit
[03:06] <gunjamin> question...i notice you all address someone whenever you talk to them...do you type this manually or automatically?
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> when I do the iwpriv turbo (if I connect to a supported ap I get 108mps)
[03:06] <LiNuX_LoVeR_17> got it
[03:07] <gurumeditationer> gunjamin, in most IRC clients you can type half the name then hit tab
[03:07] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: the command is sudo iwpriv ath0 turbo 1, right?
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> yes
[03:07] <gurumeditationer> gunjamin, you get the same sort of completion you'd get on bash
[03:07] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell gurumeditationer about language
[03:07] <gunjamin> ahh, cool
[03:08] <gunjamin> gurumeditationer: thanks
[03:08] <fatejudger_> DaSkreech: you're complaining that he said "shit"?
[03:08] <DaSkreech> Kinda some people still find it offensive :)
[03:08] <fatejudger_> DaSkreech: would you be one of them?
[03:08] <KuLover> Is there a way to have certain directories remember view modes in Konqueror?
[03:09] <lwells> I was wondering if someone can help me install a printer
[03:09] <gurumeditationer> Being offended by certain words is so arbitrary
[03:09] <DaSkreech> No but I'd like to feel tha parents would be alright with young ones being able to come here and ask questions
[03:09] <gurumeditationer> If I had said "poo" would it still be offensive? It'd still be conjuring the same image.
[03:09] <fatejudger_> DaSkreech: oh yeah, because my little cousin comes in here all the time at discuss the nuances of Linux
[03:10] <AMEGALUSX> hey
[03:10] <fatejudger_> not only that, but what language haven't little children heard by now?
[03:10] <lwells> I am able to select a driver, but then it tells me that it does not excist or I do not have permission to load it
[03:10] <AMEGALUSX> this is my final name
[03:10] <AMEGALUSX> used to be gunjamin
[03:10] <DaSkreech> fatejudger_: Not really for me to judge
[03:10] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: what do you think I ought to do then?
[03:11] <lwells> I mean , if the driver is on the list why wont it load it?
[03:11] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I'm guessing I'd have more success starting from zero
[03:11] <gurumeditationer> lwells, a driver for what?
[03:11] <fatejudger_> probably a printer
[03:11] <fatejudger_> I get the same error for mine, it's pretty dumb
[03:11] <KuLover> Is there a way to have certain directories remember view modes in Konqueror?
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Could try building 2.6.16
[03:11] <lwells> a photosmart 7350 HP printer
[03:11] <fatejudger_> lwells: try using the hpjis driver
[03:12] <fatejudger_> lwells: not just the standard generic one
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: (madwifi is not in that at all so madwifi-ng) definately works perfect (thats what I use
[03:12] <lwells> I did, it is on the list, but tells me that it cannot load or I do not have permissions
[03:12] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: I've never compiled my own kernel before
[03:12] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: is there a tutorial on the wiki or something?
[03:13] <lwells> If it is on the driver list, it should be there right?
[03:13] <AMEGALUSX> compiling your own kernel...sounds scary
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: should be right around that driver
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: there should be several drivers with your printer name
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: after you select your printer that is
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: well, maybe it's before
[03:13] <fatejudger_> lwells: yeah, before
[03:14] <lwells> Yes I see that driver, but when I try to load any of them it gives me an error
[03:14] <fatejudger_> lwells: well that's damn strange
[03:14] <lwells> It says it does not exist or that I do not have the propermissions
[03:14] <fatejudger_> yeah, I got that error too, but hpjis worked
[03:15] <lwells> Same error?
[03:15] <fatejudger_> lwells: exact same error
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto
[03:15] <morla> hi there. i'm about to mkfs.ext3 a 40gb partition. are there any important parameters (blocksize?) to set?
[03:16] <lwells> I tried ignoring the error, but the printer just spews out blank pages
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: The best way to get the .config is to copy it from /boot/config-2.6.15 - then just run make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom4 --append-to-version=-v1 binary
[03:16] <Lunar_Raven> you're sure you're picking the one that says -hpjis at the end?
[03:17] <Lunar_Raven> @lwells
[03:17] <AMEGALUSX> morla, you should just use default
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You will end up with 4 debs
[03:17] <AMEGALUSX> thats what i do
[03:17] <lwells> Yes, and it also says it is the recommened one
[03:17] <morla> simply mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/etc ?
[03:18] <lwells> the exact message is "Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-PhotoSmart_7350,hpijs] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation."
[03:18] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: should I get the latest stable?
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Yes
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: First time through I would not remove anything just copy the .config from /boot
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: then run make menuconfig don't change anything
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: then make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom4 --append-to-version=-v1 binary
[03:19] <Lunar_Raven> hmmm very odd
[03:19] <Lunar_Raven> you could try it with super user permissions
[03:19] <Lunar_Raven> sudo kprinter
[03:20] <lwells> Do I need to be in admin mode?
[03:20] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: alright, well I need to go get something to eat
[03:20] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: thanks for your help
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: You need to do that stuff as root or in fakeroot
[03:20] <Lunar_Raven> no sir, just in a console type 'sudo kprinter'
[03:20] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: alright, I'll right that down
[03:20] <fatejudger_> heh
[03:20] <Lunar_Raven> it'll ask for your root password
[03:20] <lwells> Well I just went into admin mode, lets see what happens
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> k
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> try that
[03:21] <lasindi> Hi all, how do I change the workgroup in Kubuntu for Samba filesharing? I can't find it anywhere in the File Sharing section of the System Settings
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> because the driver should work
[03:21] <lwells> It did say I may not have had the proper permissions
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> yeah
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> hope that's it
[03:21] <Lunar_Raven> :P
[03:22] <KuLover> Is there a way to have certain directories remember view modes in Konqueror?
[03:23] <fatejudger_> h3sp4wn: which version of the kernel should I be downloading?
[03:23] <lwells> thanks all, i might be back
[03:23] <Lunar_Raven> ok
[03:23] <Lunar_Raven> good luck
[03:23] <Lunar_Raven> There should be Ku
[03:23] <Lunar_Raven> not sure if there is or how, though :O
[03:25] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm still logged into my desktop
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: 2.16.whatever the latest point release is
[03:28] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: there's a few different ones you can download at kernel.org
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-<IP_ADDRESS>.bz2 (latest stable version)
[03:29] <h3sp4wn> no thats just the patch
[03:29] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: yeah
[03:29] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: that's why I asked
[03:30] <h3sp4wn> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[03:31] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: ok, cool, thanks
[03:31] <Search4Lancer> ahhhh stupid question..... how do I extract a .bin?
[03:32] <h3sp4wn> what type of bin
[03:32] <Search4Lancer> the java runtime environment bin
[03:33] <Search4Lancer> since apparently Kubuntu doesn't come with java installed
[03:34] <saj> !avi
[03:34] <ubotu> from memory, avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:35] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: A) You can apt-get Java
[03:35] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: b) for future reference if you know the bin file is not a CD image you can ./binfilename.bin to run it
[03:35] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: no I can't, my apt is broken, as explained in the forums
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Well want me to grab the dependency list and the URLs so you can manually install it?
[03:37] <Search4Lancer> when I try to ./ it it says permission denied.... even though I'm in as root
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: a) I think it comes with a README or an INSTALL file
[03:38] <Search4Lancer> that's rediculous..... and in any case, I don't see one
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: b) have you checked the permissons on it It may not have the executable bit set
[03:39] <Search4Lancer> well, I can't now, as right clicking on it just froze my damned desktop (as right clicking on archives tends to do)
[03:39] <DaSkreech> hmm
[03:40] <DaSkreech> there wasn't any instructions on the page you got it from?
[03:40] <Desh> Does anyone know how to correctly install fglrx onto Dapper (Xorg 7, ATI Mobility 9700, nForce3 motherboard chipset)
[03:43] <Search4Lancer> oh sure, sure... found the instructions now...
[03:43] <AMEGALUSX> im confused about something....is it not possible to login as root in ubuntu?
[03:44] <Desh> Yes.
[03:44] <DaSkreech> !root
[03:44] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Wow :)
[03:44] <DaSkreech> !women
[03:44] <ubotu> The Ubuntu women project women and men hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[03:44] <AMEGALUSX> what?
[03:44] <AMEGALUSX> what is !root
[03:44] <DaSkreech> AMEGALUSX: It asks the local Ubuntu robot a question
[03:45] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell AMEGALUSX about root
[03:45] <AMEGALUSX> !root
[03:45] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:45] <DaSkreech> There you go :)
[03:45] <AMEGALUSX> cool
[03:45] <Desh> AMEGALUSX: At the login screen, select a console login, enter your username as root, same pass you use for your primary user, then type: startx
[03:46] <LjL> uh?
[03:46] <Search4Lancer> great.... the install failed...
[03:46] <lwells> I need to squeeze some speed out of my system, how can I do tht
[03:46] <AMEGALUSX> what does startx do
[03:46] <Search4Lancer> why in the flyin hell does kubuntu not come with a java runtime environment already installed!?!?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> It starts X
[03:46] <LjL> starts X... but i'm not sure what you're saying Desh
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Not free software
[03:47] <AMEGALUSX> and X would be an X windows session?
[03:47] <lwells> I am on a 500 mgz machine, little on the slow side
[03:47] <D0M1N8R__> is there a basic category break down some where of how this 3Gig is used up on kubutu install.  Doesnt seem like there is anything really installed.
[03:47] <Desh> o_O LjL, startx is the command you would use at the black screen to sart the GUI.
[03:47] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: yeah. the X server, more precisely
[03:47] <AMEGALUSX> ahhh, that is helpful
[03:47] <DaSkreech> D0M1N8R__: What do you want?
[03:47] <LjL> Desh: i know that, what i'm not understanding is the other part of what you said
[03:47] <AMEGALUSX> cause i have been stuck in the console before
[03:47] <lwells> Is there something that I can tweek to have the computer run a little faster?
[03:47] <Desh> Search4Lancer: enable repositories and install sun-java5-lib and sun-java5-jre
[03:48] <DaSkreech> lwells: You can turn off services you aren't using I would guess
[03:48] <LjL> AMEGALUSX, Desh: but the usual way to start the X server is "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" (or kdm start, depending), not startx
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Desh: his apt is broken
[03:48] <Search4Lancer> Desh: pay attention please - I can't
[03:48] <Desh> LjL: on the login screen you select a console Login, one of the buttons there lets you choose b/w different logins or reboot
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: No need for that
[03:49] <Desh> Search4Life: Wait, you are using apt-get correct?
[03:49] <LjL> Desh: hm, so you're saying to login with username "root" and password same as your user's?
[03:49] <Desh> LjL: Yes
[03:49] <lwells> Are there ways in linux to overclock the processor?
[03:49] <LjL> Desh: but that won't work, unless you've manually enabled the root account and assigned it a password
[03:49] <AMEGALUSX> you overclock your processor in the bios
[03:49] <Search4Lancer> yes Desh, I know how to use apt-get - see this: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5884.0
[03:49] <Desh> LjL: No, Kubuntu/Ubuntu is designed to use the pass you designate your primary user
[03:49] <AMEGALUSX> if your motherboard allows it
[03:49] <lwells> guess that was pretty naive of me
[03:50] <LjL> Desh: yes. but it's *not* designed to have the root account enabled at all, so you just can't login with user "root"
[03:50] <LjL> Desh: you've got to login with *your* user, and then use "sudo"
[03:50] <Desh> LjL: you can from the console
[03:50] <lwells> Is there anything else that i can use in linux to speed things up?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> lwells: Turn off things you aren't using
[03:50] <LjL> Desh: uh, no you can't. not unless you installed in Expert mode (thereby enabling root, should ask for its password during installation) or enabled root manually
[03:51] <lwells> How do i do that??
[03:51] <Desh> LjL: Hmm I installed it normally and I can do that
[03:51] <AMEGALUSX> is loggin in as root kinda dangerous security-wise?
[03:51] <LjL> Desh: well, i'm really positive that it shouldn't happen...
[03:51] <Desh> LjL: Also, during boot up, pressing Esc and going into the Grub menu lets you choose the Recovery Mode which also lets you use root
[03:51] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: yeah. that's why Ubuntu prefers the sudo approach. encourages you to stay root for as short as possible
[03:52] <Search4Lancer> yes AMEGALUSX, which is why by default in Ubuntu you can;t
[03:52] <Desh> Let me test this..
[03:52] <LjL> Desh: yes
[03:53] <Search4Lancer> *sigh*
[03:53] <AMEGALUSX> its unbelievable how willing people are to help in here....im kinda shocked
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Umm sorry about that
[03:53] <lwells> Where do I see the processes that are running?
[03:53] <LjL> lwells: ps aux
[03:53] <LjL> or ctrl+esc under kde
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Or Ctrl+Esc
[03:53] <Search4Lancer> hah yeah yet I continue to have trouble....
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Or Gnome
[03:54] <DaSkreech> or E I think
[03:54] <LjL> dunno, i don't use gnome :)
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Just want to know what happens if you try to use apt?
[03:54] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5884.0
[03:54] <AMEGALUSX> just out of curiosity, what does everyone here do for a living?
[03:54] <LjL> it works under Windows in any case
[03:54] <LjL> nothing
[03:55] <Search4Lancer> Nothing, absolutely nothing AMEGALUSX
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: so if you run apt-get install something you get that?
[03:55] <Search4Lancer> yes
[03:55] <DaSkreech> AMEGALUSX: Break windows
[03:55] <Search4Lancer> if I run apt-get anything I get that
[03:55] <AMEGALUSX> lol, break windows?
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Waht does dpkg -configure -a give you?
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Waht does dpkg --configure -a give you?
[03:56] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: nothing
[03:56] <DaSkreech> hmm
[03:57] <AMEGALUSX> are you gusy using konversation or something else?
[03:57] <AMEGALUSX> guys*
[03:57] <LjL> konv for me
[03:57] <Search4Lancer> Konversation
[03:57] <AMEGALUSX> k me too
[03:57] <mrfishhat> how do i upgrade to kernel 2.6.18
[03:57] <Search4Lancer> you climb the highest mountain, you swim the deepest sea...
[03:58] <Desh> LjL: Ah I see, on my previous installation I was able to, but I had set the root pass with: sudo passwd root
[03:58] <mrfishhat> and after that?
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Where did you get mldonkey-server from?
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Desh: Right that's what we said
[03:58] <LjL> Desh: i see... well note that enabling root that was was known to give a couple of (not very serious) problems, at least under breezy
[03:58] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: how the heck should I know? :D Adept, I believe
[03:59] <LjL> was was = way was
[03:59] <Desh> I wish I could get 3d to work. :(
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Should I do the pyscho thing and install it to see if it goes crazy?
[03:59] <D0M1N8R__> basically I setup 3G partition as thats the min requirement and planned on setting up just a hand full of stuff on it and use a large partition to keep all my files on. Im using 91% of the partition with nothing really installed.
[03:59] <DaSkreech> !help
[03:59] <qalimas> Is there a KIOSlave for opening .tar.gz files as folders?
[03:59] <D0M1N8R__> Im curious to know what is taking up so much room
[04:00] <AMEGALUSX> lol
[04:00] <Desh> Yeah, ubotu failed me before as well.
[04:00] <DaSkreech> D0M1N8R__: OS and few thousand applications along with documentation for said applications
[04:00] <AMEGALUSX> domo arrigoto mr. ubotu
[04:00] <DaSkreech> D0M1N8R__: Hope you have /home partition
[04:00] <AMEGALUSX> for nothin....
[04:01] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: I wouldn't recommend it. At least, not until someone comes up with a solution for it.
[04:01] <Desh> Argh, I can't live w/o Half Life 2!
[04:02] <AMEGALUSX> you can play HL2 on Linux?
[04:02] <Desh> Yes, but I would nee my 3d to work.
[04:02] <AMEGALUSX> what vid card you have?
[04:03] <Desh> Ati Mobility Radeon 9700 128mb
[04:03] <AMEGALUSX> where do you even get HL2 for linux?
[04:03] <Desh> No, I have the Win32 version.
[04:03] <Desh> I used to play it on XP.
[04:03] <AMEGALUSX> and you can install in in linux?
[04:04] <Desh> WIth Wine or Cedega
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> oh ok
[04:04] <Search4Lancer> I'm tempted to just delete (or move, in case deleting totally kills everything) every single thing on here named mldonkey-server and see if that helps
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> oh yeah, ive heard about cedega
[04:04] <qalimas> How do I enable the tar:/ kioslave?
[04:04] <Desh> But my wine is not showing up in my menus.
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> forgot about that
[04:04] <claydoh> AMEGALUSX: plus sometimes a bit of tweaking
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> does it decrease performance with the overhead?
[04:04] <claydoh> but it runs OK for me
[04:04] <Search4Lancer> you whip it, qalimas. whip it til it's nose bleeds.
[04:04] <Desh> Never actually tested, never got 3d working.
[04:04] <AMEGALUSX> how about for you claydoh?
[04:05] <claydoh> dunno, never played it in windows
[04:05] <AMEGALUSX> oh
[04:05] <AMEGALUSX> is it fast for you on linux?
[04:05] <Desh> claydoh: what do you use to play it? Cedega or Wine?
[04:05] <claydoh> transgaming.org's forums are good for info and ideas on what you may have trouble with
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Search4Lancer: Is mldonkey running now?
[04:06] <claydoh> cedega, never did get it going in wine, but I will try again when the next wine version comes out
[04:06] <Desh> claydoh what card do you use?
[04:07] <claydoh> nvidia gf 6200
[04:07] <AMEGALUSX> how do I install a package that i downloaded?
[04:07] <AMEGALUSX> not using a package manager or anything?
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -i
[04:07] <claydoh> I can get 40-60 fps in cedega if I twek my xorg, enable fastwrites, and tweak the game settings/cedega settings
[04:08] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: though before installing it... are you positively sure it's not in the repos?
[04:08] <LjL> installing "foreign" packages can cause damages in some cases
[04:08] <Desh> How do I see my framerate with glxgears?
[04:08] <LjL> especially when they were intended for debian
[04:08] <AMEGALUSX> nah, im not actually installing anything right now, i was just asking in general
[04:08] <Desh> And how fast are they supposed to move?
[04:08] <LjL> Desh: glxgears --yesiknowthisisnotabenchmark, or something similar
[04:09] <claydoh> use this command : "glxgears -printfps"
[04:09] <AMEGALUSX> so i would just type dpkg -i in konsole?
[04:09] <LjL> they're not supposed to move at any specific rate, since it's not a benchmark ;)
[04:09] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: no - dpkg -i followed by the file name
[04:09] <LjL> and preceeded by sudo
[04:09] <saj> !avi
[04:09] <ubotu> hmm... avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:09] <claydoh> its ok for testing driver changes/settings/ etc
[04:09] <claydoh> glxgears, rather
[04:09] <AMEGALUSX> and this not only extracts, but also installs, correct?
[04:10] <Desh> How odd, I am using the normal ati driver and it seems like I have 3d..
[04:10] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: yes, but it doesn't install any required dependencies
[04:10] <Desh> 4000+ FPS
[04:10] <AMEGALUSX> whats a required dependency
[04:10] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: a package that the package you're installed needs in order to run
[04:10] <DaSkreech> ubotu You Lie!
[04:10] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DaSkreech
[04:10] <LjL> like a library that it needs, or things like that
[04:10] <AMEGALUSX> ah, gotcha
[04:10] <LjL> installed=installing
[04:11] <AMEGALUSX> like a plugin package for example?
[04:11] <LjL> only if that plugin is *required* for the main package to work
[04:11] <spiderworm> anyone know how to get xgl working with kubuntu?
[04:11] <kkathman> would there be restrictions on me using the nvidia drivers in ubuntu, on myu GeForce2 GTS/Pro card?
[04:11] <AMEGALUSX> ic, thanks
[04:11] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell spiderworm about XGL
[04:12] <kkathman> i had some really tough times getting the right video driver under SUSE
[04:12] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: for example, try "sudo apt-get install xfce4" (but then answer NO when it asks whether you really want to install, since it's just a test!)
[04:12] <spiderworm> DaSkreech: its all about gnome / gdm at that URL and in #ubuntu-xgl, thanks
[04:12] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: xfce is a desktop environment like KDE and Gnome. as such, it requires a number of other programs. apt-get would install them for you
[04:12] <michelleindeed> Go figure the day I install Kubuntu it becomes outdated.
[04:13] <DaSkreech> spiderworm: Yeah it's a bit gnome heavy  :-)
[04:13] <DaSkreech>  mostly cause compiz-kde doesn't work too well
[04:13] <Desh> As of when is a Mobility 9700 supported by the ati driver?
[04:13] <DaSkreech>  You cna use compiz-gnome though
[04:13] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: (although i'd normally use "sudo aptitude install xyz" rather than apt-get, since aptitude also *removes* the dependencies for you, the day you decide to remove the package)
[04:13] <DaSkreech> There should be a forum post on XGL and KDE I've herad as well but don't repeat it ;-)
[04:13] <chuckyp> Downloading kubuntu 6.06 to install now figure i'll give it a try since i've been runing gnome for ever.
[04:13] <chuckyp> DaSkreech, there is
[04:13] <chuckyp> DaSkreech, its in the wiki i believe
[04:14] <DaSkreech> chuckyp: Welcome
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> LjL, i tried that...this is what i got:
[04:14] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: don't paste here if it's long please ;)
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:14] <AMEGALUSX> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:14] <chuckyp> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager
[04:14] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: oh, that would be because you already have Adept, Synaptic, apt-get or some other package manager running
[04:14] <LjL> or dpkg even
[04:15] <Dasnipa`> !spam
[04:15] <DaSkreech> chuckyp: Tell spiderworm about it
[04:15] <ubotu> Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages, or the pork luncheon meat whose name is the acronym of Shoulder of Pork and hAM
[04:15] <AMEGALUSX> ahh, you are right
[04:15] <D0M1N8R__> k having more problems with permissions I think. VMWare wont edit virtual settings. When the settings window appears says read only.
[04:15] <chuckyp> spiderworm, ^^^^^^^^^^
[04:15] <D0M1N8R__> The vmware files are in /mnt/hda4/
[04:15] <D0M1N8R__> Ive already done a chown to my user
[04:16] <D0M1N8R__> and even tried chmod to 777
[04:16] <Desh> This is so weird...
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[04:16] <LjL> doh
[04:16] <D0M1N8R__> but still no luck but if I run as root using kdesu works fine
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> what?
[04:16] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: oh, that's because xfce4 is in the Universe repository, which you probably don't have enabled
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> how come it coldnt find it
[04:16] <chuckyp> If I install ubuntu dapper then install kubuntu-desktop package will it still borkt he menus in gnome up?
[04:16] <AMEGALUSX> oh
[04:17] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: which brings me back to the above question: are you *sure* the package you're trying to install manually isn't in a repo?
[04:17] <chuckyp> AMEGALUSX, sudo apt-get -f or something like that to fix
[04:17] <LjL> chuckyp: no, no, it's just Universe not enabled
[04:17] <chuckyp> AMEGALUSX, to fix the locked file unless you arent' using apt-get
[04:17] <chuckyp> LjL, sorry i wasn't paying that close of attention
[04:18] <LjL> no worries
[04:18] <LjL> !tell AMEGALUSX about repos
[04:18] <LjL> !tell AMEGALUSX about easysource
[04:18] <AMEGALUSX> LjL, im not really trying to install anything
[04:18] <kkathman> !nvidia
[04:18] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:18] <AMEGALUSX> xfce4 is what you suggested i try
[04:18] <AMEGALUSX> remember?
[04:18] <vanRijn> re, all
[04:18] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: yeah, but before you asked how to install a package that you downloaded manually
[04:19] <chuckyp> Anyone  Know if installing kubuntu-desktop on dapper will bork my menus in gnome?  i.e. add all sorts of kde related apps etc...
[04:19] <chuckyp> ?????????
[04:19] <AMEGALUSX> yeah, but that was jsut for future reference
[04:19] <LjL> chuckyp: yes it will
[04:19] <no0tic> hi, is xgl working on kubuntu?
[04:19] <chuckyp> LjL, hrm... pooop
[04:19] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: ok, well then - keep Ubotu's links for future reference too. as long as you don't have Universe enabled, you only have access to some 7000 packages. with Universe and Multiverse, that becomes roughly 17000 packages iirc
[04:20] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: so you'd definitely want to triple-check that a program isn't in the repos, before downloading it manually from some external site
[04:20] <chuckyp> LjL, Well i'm probably going to just finish dl'ng kubuntu then and install that.  I've been playing with gnome for a while now and want to see the other side.
[04:21] <LjL> chuckyp: if doing multiple installations isn't a problem for you then yeah, i would suggest that
[04:21] <AMEGALUSX> ok, thanks LjL, i appreciate the help..i will ask the bot about universe so i dont have to bother you anymore
[04:21] <AMEGALUSX> i am a total noob
[04:21] <michelleindeed> I'm more of a noob.
[04:21] <michelleindeed> I win.
[04:22] <chuckyp> LjL, well i'm just blowing out my old installation.  Its a dual boot machine right now but I havent' been booting to nix that often anymore since bf2.  Been playing a lot of that.
[04:22] <AMEGALUSX> oh, LjL, i see youve already told the bot to tell me about universe
[04:22] <IvanTheViking> Hey guys, I'm a noob to kubuntu after a while with fedora here... is there a way to upgrade to dapper drake from 5.10 ?
[04:22] <LjL> AMEGALUSX: everyone has been. i'm just trying to advance-tell you some things that you may stumble upon later... and that can be hard to fix once the mistake is made
[04:23] <AMEGALUSX> yeah, thanks man
[04:23] <LjL> !tell IvanTheViking about upgrade
[04:23] <IvanTheViking> Thank you!
[04:23] <rabby> IvanTheViking you russian?
[04:23] <IvanTheViking> Not at all
[04:24] <IvanTheViking> I'm from the US actually.
[04:24] <rabby> ok
[04:24] <IvanTheViking> Why, rabby?
[04:24] <LjL> off to bed, night
[04:24] <michelleindeed> I could be a Viking in my own right
[04:25] <rabby> IvanTheViking Ivan - russian name :)
[04:25] <AMEGALUSX> heres a question, how do i get an actual IRC account
[04:25] <AMEGALUSX> i dont even know how i am logged in right now
[04:25] <IvanTheViking> Ah, well rabby, Ivan's also a viking name.
[04:25] <IvanTheViking> But we're o/t so I'll shoosh
[04:26] <AMEGALUSX> i just clicked on konversation and it logged me in as my user name for kubuntu
[04:26] <michelleindeed> Same here, amegalusx
[04:26] <AMEGALUSX> michelleindeed: do you have a friend list?
[04:27] <michelleindeed> I might be able to answer were I to know what you meant..
[04:27] <Desh> Ok, if I can get 4000+ FPS on glxgears and planet penguin racer works, does that mean I have opegl and 3d acceleration working correctly?
[04:27] <AMEGALUSX> im new to IRC, do you get a friend list?
[04:27] <rabby> IvanTheViking: Has understood
[04:27] <michelleindeed> I am new to IRC as well, as about ten minutes ago I had never used it
[04:27] <IvanTheViking> Desh : yes.
[04:28] <AMEGALUSX> michelleindeed: a list where you can add people you meet on IRC
[04:28] <michelleindeed> I don't know
[04:28] <Desh> IvanTheViking: Is it normal for glxgears to give an error and still show them working?
[04:28] <IvanTheViking> Desh : another way to test is to glxinfo | grep direct
[04:28] <IvanTheViking> See if you have direct rendering or not.
[04:28] <AMEGALUSX> im guessing you are new to
[04:28] <AMEGALUSX> too
[04:28] <michelleindeed> Yes, I am
[04:28] <AMEGALUSX> are you new to linux?
[04:29] <michelleindeed> I just installed Kubuntu a week ago, and I had never used IRC while I was running Windows
[04:29] <AMEGALUSX> oh
[04:29] <AMEGALUSX> i just installed kubuntu today
[04:29] <Desh> No ctx->FragmentProgram._Current!!
[04:29] <Desh> direct rendering: Yes
[04:29] <Desh> WHat does the first line mean?
[04:30] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: You know more about this than I do, can I PM you something?
[04:30] <IvanTheViking> Desh : sure.
[04:30] <IvanTheViking> Desh : I will advise you, most of my knowledge stems from Gentoo Linux...
[04:32] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: Ok I Pm'ed you
[04:33] <tc> quit
[04:34] <DaSkreech> noob :-)
[04:34] <IvanTheViking> Indeed.
[04:35] <vanRijn> I'm unable to use sound on my dapper laptop (powerpc).  something just recently broke, since it did use to work.  I get this:  ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave, Failed to register plugin: /usr/lib/alsaplayer/output/libalsa_out.so.  anyone else seeing this?
[04:35] <kkathman> are there nvidia install instructions for Dapper as opposed to Breezy?
[04:35] <vanRijn> okay, let me ask that differently then
[04:35] <kkathman> the one mentioned in ubotu is dated
[04:35] <vanRijn> does anyone know if/when alsa 1.0.11 is being planned on making it into ubuntu?
[04:36] <IvanTheViking> kkathman : try the nvidia installer ?
[04:36] <kkathman> is that in Dapper?
[04:36] <IvanTheViking> No, that would be from nvidia's site, unfortunately I am not running dapper. It's what I've used in the past in other distros though.
[04:36] <kkathman> there is a specific instruction set for Breezy via ubotu, but its based on packages in Breezy
[04:37] <BrigadierFrog> is there some wiki article on how to upgrade to 3.5.2
[04:37] <BrigadierFrog> er 3.5.3
[04:37] <kkathman> well there were packages in Breezy installable via apt-get
[04:37] <BrigadierFrog> it won't let me install them
[04:37] <BrigadierFrog> something about being held back
[04:37] <Hawkwind> !nvidia
[04:37] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:38] <BrigadierFrog> oh I see, needed a dist-upgrade
[04:38] <BrigadierFrog> not just a regular upgrade
[04:38] <Desh> This is all very odd...
[04:39] <kkathman> Hawkwind:  yes I did that...its out of date,, like most of ubotu's stuff right now
[04:40] <Desh> IvanTheViking: did you get my PM?
[04:40] <Hawkwind> kkathman: That was for me pesonally :)
[04:40] <IvanTheViking> Desh: yes
[04:40] <IvanTheViking> and I have responded
[04:40] <kkathman> ah okie dokie Hawkwind :)
[04:40] <IvanTheViking> if you run glxgears without the -showfps option, do you still get an error?
[04:41] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: Yes, same error.
[04:41] <IvanTheViking> Desh : well I do not know exactly what the error means, but if your OpenGL apps do not complain and work fine, I would ignore it.
[04:43] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: Ok thanks. One question, see I have an Ati Mobility Radeon 9700, fglrx always reported Mesa as the Open GL thingy, but now, with the "ati" driver, well I am getting glxgears and planet penguin racer to work...so I am confused, should I try to get fglrx working as its supposed to or should I stick with this driver?
[04:44] <IvanTheViking> Desh : here's where you make the call, ATI's support for linux isn't all that great from what I have heard, but I do not own an ATI card. I cannot tell you which works better.
[04:44] <james_xxx> kubuntu is really starting to tick me off lol. i had had k/ubuntu on this computer for a month or so... switched from ubuntu to kubuntu, upgraded from breezy to dapper, and upgraded to KDE 3.5.3. However, after having upgraded to 3.5.3, the first thing I noticed was that screen savers no longer worked. Then I realized that #D graphics no longer worked. I finally did a fresh reinstall a few days ago. Things were fine for about 2 days...
[04:44] <james_xxx> ger work...
[04:44] <IvanTheViking> Desh : If this setup works, stick with it.
[04:44] <james_xxx> 3D*
[04:44] <chuckyp> Is there a fix for the borked menus in gnome after installing kubutnu-desktop?
[04:45] <Desh> IvanTheVIking: Ok, thanks. :)
[04:45] <james_xxx> i was wondering if anyone had any clues as to what is going on with my graphics.... i have a brand new dell desktop with an integrated intel video card
[04:46] <IvanTheViking> Desh : quite welcome, I hope it works out.
[04:47] <Qbyte> I guess nobody knows, James =D
[04:48] <james_xxx> Qbyte: possibly not
[04:48] <james_xxx> this is a weird issue. if i can't fix it this time, i am switching distros
[04:48] <Qbyte> I gave up on getting my broadcom wireless to work
[04:48] <Qbyte> ended up switching to another card
[04:48] <james_xxx> Qbyte: wireless can be touchy
[04:49] <Qbyte> Have you tried it in suse?
[04:49] <AMEGALUSX> i just used synaptic to download a game called tetrinet and i installed it but i dont know where it is now
[04:49] <AMEGALUSX> can anyone help me?
[04:49] <james_xxx> Qbyte: my graphics work fine with kubuntu... for a while, maybe a week. mine worked fine last night, but to day they don't
[04:49] <AMEGALUSX> where would it be located?
[04:49] <Qbyte> ameg: do a seaarch for it
[04:50] <Qbyte> james: I am assuming that you've rebooted numerous times and all that jaz
[04:51] <AMEGALUSX> i did, but it doesnt tell me what menu the program would be located under
[04:51] <AMEGALUSX> when i use Adept, the program appears in its appropritate category on my start menu
[04:52] <Qbyte> use the locate command?
[04:52] <james_xxx> i have another major issue with kubuntu.... and again it involves video. i CONSTANTLY have to re-configure power saving for my monitor. i usually set it to 30 minutes. but i have to set it, set it and re-set it continually.
[04:53] <james_xxx> Qbyte: yes, i have rebooted
[04:53] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx, this sucks but you can add lines to your xorg.conf to manually set the timeouts
[04:53] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: have you heard of anyone else with these issues?
[04:54] <Qbyte> James: I feel your pain, bro.  Shit like this is an example of how far linux still has to go but you've gotta admit that it's WAY better than even a year ago
[04:54] <IvanTheViking> JAmes_xxx : yes, me. I never could use the KDE setting on any machine I have setup, be it in gentoo, debian, k/ubuntu or fedora to timeout the monitor for some reason.
[04:54] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i see. it is a good way to ruin a monitor.
[04:54] <IvanTheViking> James: I always had to add lines to my xfree86/xorg.conf files over the years to manually do DPMS timeouts (google)
[04:55] <beavis> hey , can anyone tell me why the 6.06 takes up almost 1gig of ram without almost any apps running?
[04:55] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i love a lot of things about KDE, but maybe instead of switching distros, it is KDE i need to scrap.
[04:56] <IvanTheViking> beavis, check that its not being used as disk buffering.
[04:56] <Qbyte> James - did you get your card working on any other distro's with KDE installed?
[04:56] <IvanTheViking> James : gnome never did it right either.
[04:56] <james_xxx> hmmm
[04:56] <beavis> IvanTheViking: how can i check that , im kind of new
[04:57] <chuckyp> is there a netinstall anywhere?
[04:57] <_john> hey there we've got amarok running but adpet wont run because it complains of some other process already using it and I think it is because of a lock file somewhere.  2 days ago, after the upgrade to dappper, went into adpet and fif a full upgrade and then apply changes and then it only got ot 52% and it basically stopped there saying   could not commit. any pointers please
[04:57] <IvanTheViking> beavis : I think its in ksysguard.
[04:57] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i can  live without screen savers, and i can do the xorg.conf thing, but having the 3D graphics just quit a week or 2 after each install is unacceptable.
[04:58] <IvanTheViking> James : that is silly. I never ran an intel based card in linux, I don't know how to fix them, sorry
[04:58] <beavis> IvanTheViking: thats what im looking at , anything specific i need to look at?
[04:59] <Qbyte> I missed it, James, what card are you having trouble with?
[04:59] <IvanTheViking> beavis: physical memory, should be color coded
[04:59] <beavis> IvanTheViking: yes , i have 3 colors
[04:59] <BluDog_Anchorite> any idea why i would be recieving a "sudo: timestamp tpp far in the future : june 9 02:24:34 3006"
[05:00] <james_xxx> Qbyte: i am not sure exactly what it is anymore. i am using the 1810 driver
[05:00] <IvanTheViking> beavis: blue is actual ram used
[05:00] <IvanTheViking> beavis : yellow is the cache
[05:00] <james_xxx> i810*
[05:00] <beavis> IvanTheViking: yeah , the yellow takes up like 500megs
[05:01] <james_xxx> i mean, i would go to walmart and buy an nvidia geforce card if i thought that would solve this issue, but i am not sure that it would
[05:01] <IvanTheViking> beavis : how much crap do you have running ;) , look in the processes
[05:01] <IvanTheViking> james : nvidia linux support is killer.
[05:01] <Qbyte> ATI is pretty much a sure bet
[05:01] <_john> any pointers on how to unlock adept
[05:01] <_john> or where to find a lock file
[05:01] <james_xxx> Qbyte: i have heard that ATI support for linux sucks
[05:02] <Qbyte> noot any of the cards that I've ever encountered
[05:02] <beavis> IvanTheViking: just what comes with the standard install, nothing else
[05:02] <Qbyte> never had a problem
[05:02] <_john> or what to do when it only gets 52% of the way basically hangs and the box is then pwoer cycled
[05:02] <IvanTheViking> beavis : that's quite odd, look in the process table and sort by mem use, see what's burning it up
[05:02] <james_xxx> Qbyte: i have kubuntu on my laptop, too, and it has an ATI rage card... it does seem to work fine
[05:02] <IvanTheViking> james: stick to one less than newest and ATI's ok, nvidia is the same.
[05:03] <beavis> IvanTheViking: im suposed look at VMSIZE?
[05:03] <Qbyte> I agree, Ivan - linux does best with one gen older of pretty much any card that it supports well
[05:03] <james_xxx> Qbyte: i doubt that the intel card i have is exactly cutting edge.
[05:04] <Qbyte> the last part of my sentence said any card that it supports well - Intel isn't on that list ;)
[05:04] <james_xxx> this computer was the cheapest thing dell had six weeks ago
[05:04] <Dasnipa`> gah dell... dells are gay
[05:04] <IvanTheViking> beavis : the other one
[05:04] <Dasnipa`> dell is so very very proprietary
[05:04] <beavis> IvanTheViking: VMRSS?
[05:04] <IvanTheViking> beavis, another handy app is a console one, top.
[05:05] <IvanTheViking> beavis yes, I think that's what I am thinking about
[05:05] <james_xxx> Dasnipa`: maybe so, but i got a lot for $450
[05:05] <IvanTheViking> beavis : example, firefox-bin is whoring up 112 MB of memory on my machine.
[05:05] <james_xxx> how long does it take to put a new graphics card in?
[05:05] <IvanTheViking> james: 2 minutes.
[05:06] <Qbyte> For me?  About 2.6 minutes .. give or take ;)
[05:06] <Dasnipa`> except how much of that hardware is modified with dell 'extra features' like that one chip that dell modded to fail after certian amt of time
[05:06] <BluDog_Anchorite> how can i change the sudo timestamp
[05:06] <Qbyte> Ivan has me beat by .6 minutes
[05:06] <Qbyte> lol
[05:06] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: and with kubuntu , it should be recognized immediately, i imagine?
[05:06] <Dasnipa`> notice nothing ever came of that dell had ways to get around it all
[05:06] <beavis> IvanTheViking: kdesktop 112, xorg 61, kicker 39,kopete 28, knqueror 25, konversation 22 etc.
[05:06] <IvanTheViking> james : not nvidia or ati, those use closed source stuff. You'd need to add a driver and change an xorg.conf line
[05:07] <IvanTheViking> beavis : kdesktop is taking alot of memory are you using a HUGE wallpaper or something?
[05:07] <Qbyte> If it's a new install, I'd just reinstall .. but that's because I'm lazy
[05:07] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: if i run easyubuntu and install the nvidia drivers, THEN install my card, should things be ok?
[05:07] <beavis> IvanTheViking: no just one that comes with the kubuntu
[05:08] <IvanTheViking> james : I think, I don't use kubuntu on my desktop, can't help you there. I was in here to help my g/f out with her 1st kubuntu install
[05:08] <beavis> IvanTheViking: but i run 1680x1050
[05:09] <james_xxx> the thing is, i would not be surprised if i installed a new graphics card, but still wound up having the same issues i have right now
[05:10] <IvanTheViking> james : I have always used an nvidia card in my machines and never had a hitch, in gentoo, debian, and fedora. I wouldn't imagine a problem with kubuntu.
[05:10] <IvanTheViking> beavis : I don't see why it is hogging that much then
[05:10] <james_xxx> ok, i may go to walmart tonight yet, and get another card
[05:11] <Qbyte> James: If you have the same problems after a new fully supported graphics card is installed, I'd be surprised
[05:11] <james_xxx> but...i'll accidentally get some new , as of yet unsupported card lol
[05:11] <IvanTheViking> james : geforce FX 5200 's are cheap
[05:11] <IvanTheViking> and work well :-D
[05:11] <Qbyte> there ya go
[05:12] <IvanTheViking> james : before you go, pop open the machine, and see if you have an AGP or PCI-E slot for the graphics
[05:12] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: would those still be in walmarts? ( i hate walmart, but they are still open )
[05:12] <Qbyte> use Ivan's credit card, too
[05:12] <Qbyte> ;)
[05:12] <sdolnack> who iss good wit zee amaroK?
[05:12] <IvanTheViking> Qbyte : touche ;)
[05:12] <Qbyte> lol
[05:12] <sdolnack> I want to make it show tracknumbers
[05:12] <sdolnack> nevermind
[05:12] <_john> hmm i cant find anything on kubuntu.org wikis or documentation about unlocking adept, any pointers or specifics would really be appreciated
[05:13] <sdolnack> but can anyone recommend a gui to encode flac files?
[05:13] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: is it possible that a new desktop would NOT have those slots?
[05:13] <sdolnack> liek flac frontend but for linux?
[05:13] <Qbyte> _john: ps -A
[05:13] <Desh> Has anyone ever gotten Ragnarok Online to run in Linux?
[05:13] <Qbyte> look for the PID of the process and kill it
[05:13] <IvanTheViking> james : quite.  Why 32 bit? Use the 64bits man, its faster
[05:24] <Desh> IvanTheViking: I would, but my WLAN driver is 32bit
[05:24] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DB110C&s=dhs
[05:24] <Qbyte> I"m running 32 bit on the AMD64, too.  I didn't notice any real speed difference
[05:24] <IvanTheViking> Desh: what driver?
[05:24] <Qbyte> and I get better driver support for the laptop in 32 bit
[05:24] <beavis> IvanTheViking: so what does the cached ram mean and whats it for??
[05:24] <IvanTheViking> Qbyte : I have an AMD64 machine, when it comes to transcoding video, the difference is there.
[05:25] <IvanTheViking> everyday use, nah.
[05:25] <Qbyte> That's probably true - I don't game much on this thing and I don't do any editing, either
[05:25] <IvanTheViking> beavis : google, please ;) I am typing like a madman ;)
[05:25] <Qbyte> all of my games are on the windowz partition
[05:25] <Desh> IvanTheViking: Video driver?
[05:26] <l091548> good evening all
[05:26] <beavis> IvanTheViking: oookokokokok
[05:26] <NthDegree> Desh, AMD64 rocks only use other architectures on slackware or gentoo :)
[05:26] <IvanTheViking> Desh : nah, curious what WLAN driver is holding you up.
[05:26] <Qbyte> Google knows all
[05:26] <IvanTheViking> Gentoo is actually what I running now : shhh :-P
[05:26] <Desh> bcmwl5 or something like that.
[05:26] <IvanTheViking> hmm.
[05:26] <beemer> anyone know why my wireless (usb) is showing as eth2 instead of wlan0?
[05:26] <_john> Qbyte: there is tonnes of stuff .deb in var/cache/apt/archives
[05:26] <IvanTheViking> Not going to ndiswrapper a windows driver in ?
[05:26] <Qbyte> bcmwl5 is the broadcom wireless
[05:26] <Desh> Yeah.
[05:27] <Desh> It never worked when I tried 64bit Breezy
[05:27] <IvanTheViking> Ah, I am using ndiswrapper atm to use the windows driver on my acer laptop.
[05:27] <_john> I found and deleted 3 lock files from /var/lib/ apt aptitude and dpkg
[05:27] <Desh> And this was my gaming rig...I miss my Half Life 2
[05:27] <Qbyte> _john: any luck?
[05:27] <IvanTheViking> Desh : you try wine or cedega?
[05:28] <Desh> I tried wine for Tribes and Ragnarok Online, it didn't even open them up..
[05:28] <Desh> It does open up small stuff like the installer for RO or the setup, but not th actual game
[05:28] <_john> well I tried adept again and I get the database is locked
[05:28] <IvanTheViking> hmmm
[05:29] <Desh> _john: did you try from the Konsole: sudp apt-get update
[05:29] <IvanTheViking> Using the latest wine's from the winehq builds?
[05:29] <Desh> Yes.
[05:29] <IvanTheViking> hmm
[05:29] <IvanTheViking> No pointers either in the database either I imagine.
[05:29] <Desh> Not sure if the 3d acc may have something to do with it
[05:29] <IvanTheViking> I know my roomie had HL2 in linux.
[05:29] <Desh> :(!!!!!!!
[05:29] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i guess that link didn't really tell you much, huh
[05:30] <IvanTheViking> james : looking now, sorry.
[05:30] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: no problem at all
[05:30] <Desh> What does it mean when you click install a package and it says: BREAK (install)
[05:31] <_john> well command line apt-get update seems to have started processing and just choked
[05:31] <Qbyte> Desh: it means that it will break a dependancy if you install it so it stops you
[05:32] <Desh> Oh...why would Cinelerra do that?
[05:32] <Desh> Sytupid Cinelerra..
[05:32] <Qbyte> One of the libs, maybe?
[05:32] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim1100/en/SM/specs.htm#wp1076752
[05:32] <IvanTheViking> look for yourself ;)
[05:33] <_john> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:33] <Qbyte> _john - and what happens when you run that command?
[05:33] <Desh> libmpeg3hv also would Break something...?
[05:33] <_john> so I run dpkg --configure -a    (i already did a sudo bash) and
[05:33] <Shaezsche> what exactly do newer kernels mean? do they add hardware support? is 2.6.12 too old?
[05:33] <Shaezsche> is it just stability fixes? security?
[05:33] <IvanTheViking> Many fixes in the kernel
[05:33] <_john> its gpoing through a long list of setting up
[05:34] <IvanTheViking> but, the rule is for kernels
[05:34] <IvanTheViking> if its working fine, leave it usually for now.
[05:34] <TheNewsman> ive lost all the toolbars in the chat window on kopete, how do i get em back =\
[05:34] <IvanTheViking> unless you *know* something is in there.
[05:34] <_john> without mentioning if it succeeded or not as it goes onto the next one
[05:34] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i take it that means that i DO have the necessary slots? (PCI)
[05:34] <Qbyte> www.kernel.org does a nice job or talking about the kernel changes
[05:34] <Shaezsche> well, do they add better hardware detection?
[05:35] <_john> every thinf it is setting up has this beside it   3.5.3-0ubuntu0.1
[05:35] <Shaezsche> or is that the external application's job
[05:35] <_john> is that correct for dappper
[05:35] <IvanTheViking> james : wrong again. You have standard PCI slots.  You *can* find PCI low end Geforce cards, but the performance isn't hot. The intel graphics aren't any good anyways, so I would think it would be an upgrade anyways.
[05:36] <Qbyte> wow, not a good scenario, James
[05:36] <Qbyte> now you know why the system was so cheap
[05:36] <IvanTheViking> Exactly
[05:36] <IvanTheViking> its a un-upgradeable machine
[05:36] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: what really sucks is the fact that 3D graphics DO work on here with kubuntu.... for a week or so... then quit for no apparent reason
[05:37] <Qbyte> _john, I'd only worry if you get errors
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> james : you get any errors in dmesg?
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> or for that matter, in a console when you run 3d apps
[05:37] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i do not know what to look for
[05:37] <_john> do you mean like this one Resolving aleron.dl.sourceforge.net... failed: Connection timed out
[05:37] <Desh> Hmm...I wonder how well VIsta Beta 2 works.
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> james : open a console.
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> type in dmesg | more
[05:37] <Qbyte> James: is it possible that it's the video card being flaky and not the OS?
[05:37] <IvanTheViking> read away.
[05:37] <Qbyte> it IS a cheap computer
[05:38] <IvanTheViking> also, check the xorg logs in /var/log (usually where they are, kubuntu might be different)
[05:38] <Desh> WHY WONT UT2004 DEMO DOWNLOAD!!??
[05:38] <Qbyte> because your caplocks are on? ;)
[05:38] <IvanTheViking> Desh : try manually installing it.
[05:38] <_john> or perhaps this error  All done, errors in processing 1 file(s)
[05:38] <_john> dpkg: error processing msttcorefonts (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:38] <Desh> No actually I used shift then
[05:39] <Qbyte> lol
[05:39] <Qbyte> ok
[05:40] <_john> its since gone on to more of the setting up stuff
[05:40] <Qbyte> _john: I'd just let it do what it's doing and try running adept again once it's done
[05:41] <Qbyte> ignore any errors unless it doesn't fix it
[05:41] <Desh> >_<
[05:43] <sdolnack> does anyone know how to make the progress bar wider in amaroK?
[05:43] <sdolnack> it's waay too small
[05:44] <Ranma2264> Hi to all Im using kde 3.5.3 How do i get icons in system tray to display in two rows instead of one?
[05:44] <james_xxx> ok i am just going to re-install kubuntu again.... the idea that this graphics card works for a while and then quits is retarted
[05:44] <_john> well how about that - Adept seems to be running but it looks different than last week
[05:45] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : it'll just shite out again.
[05:45] <NthDegree> i prefer synaptic
[05:45] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: that makes no sense. if it works, it shoud work
[05:45] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: finding out why is the key, have you tried to google a solution?
[05:45] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: I agree. I think it might be a bad card. Did you update something before it died?
[05:46] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: the card has no issues in windows
[05:46] <Hikaru79> How can I disable some of the tty's that are on by default? Kubuntu seems to come with like 6 of them, when I only need one or two. How can I turn the rest off? Anyone know? Thanks in advance =)
[05:46] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: always is the case with dells
[05:46] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : google your card linux and see what comes up
[05:47] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking:  there is an actual linux driver for this card made by intel, but i do not know how to install it
[05:47] <_john> ok so I cant find koffice in this adept
[05:48] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: i am also unsure if i should install it lol
[05:48] <_john> there are several openoffice.org packages but no koffice
[05:48] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : I agree. run lsmod in a console, see if the intel driver is installed. If not, install it, and change your xorg.conf file
[05:48] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: if your gui dies, then you'd reinstall linux anyways, right? :-P
[05:48] <_john> was koffice removed from dapper?
[05:49] <RawSewage> it's not in Dapper.  I dont know if it was removed
[05:50] <RawSewage> I dont remember it being in Breezy
[05:50] <michelleindeed> Ivan, Breezy is the one I have, yes?
[05:50] <RawSewage> oh wait, I only had Gnome in Breezy
[05:50] <IvanTheViking> yes michelle.
[05:51] <james_xxx> when i run lsmod, it says "agpgart                34888  2 intel_agp" what does that mean?
[05:51] <IvanTheViking> michelle, we'll update your install of kubuntu next week to the newest one.
[05:51] <michelleindeed> Can you upgrade me to Dapper next week,
[05:51] <IvanTheViking> intel_agp is the intel agp driver
[05:51] <michelleindeed> Nevermind, you read my brain.
[05:51] <rredd4> when I install kubuntu, is there a way to install the 686 kernel instead of the 386 kernel?
[05:51] <IvanTheViking> agpgart is what linux uses to communicate with video card on agp.
[05:51] <james_xxx> IvanTheViking: so it does not mean i have an agp slot?
[05:52] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx: it means there's an AGP bus on the motherboard, you're using AGP, there's just no slot to tap into it.
[05:52] <michelleindeed> Did you ever figure out what the issue with my webcam is? Or is it just that's it's so cheapo?
[05:52] <james_xxx> gotcha
[05:52] <IvanTheViking> james_xxx : | grep intel of that thing.
[05:52] <IvanTheViking> michelle : its a crappy cam, could be the driver.
[05:53] <Reivec> has anyone tried installing kubuntu 6.06 on a system running raid 1 that already has XP loaded?  I would like to dual boot and not have to mess up what I currently have (partitions are already made)
[05:54] <magicbronson> off-topic (sorry): can anyone recommend a good place to sell my kubuntu machine?
[05:55] <_john> is there an automonut of some sort for the floppy drive?
[05:56] <IvanTheViking> michelle : see if anyone here has an issue with it ;)
[05:56] <Lord_Devi> How does a person release the apt-get database if it's locked again? (adept crashed earlier and now i can't use it)
[05:56] <michelleindeed> I don't even know what kind of a cam I have ;)
[05:57] <sdolnack> anyone have a good suggestion for a FLAC encoder gui?
[05:57] <_john> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:57] <_john> Lord_Devi: I had the same prob;lem
[05:57] <Lord_Devi> Oh ok. and ALL that does is reinit the database?
[05:57] <IvanTheViking> sdolnack : for cd ripping or for just straight .wav encoding?
[05:57] <sdolnack> wav encoding
[05:57] <sdolnack> for cd ripping im gonna use EAC in my winxp partition
[05:57] <_john> Lord_Devi: on the command line I htink you need to sudo apt-get update
[05:57] <_john> first
[05:58] <IvanTheViking> sdolnack : you can just use grip in linux to do the same, and flac it right in there.
[05:58] <IvanTheViking> EAC is an awesome program though.
[05:58] <sdolnack> yeah but it's not as secure as EAC
[05:58] <_john> then the dpkg --configure -a
[05:58] <sdolnack> only eac rips with regards to caching audio data
[05:58] <IvanTheViking> I realize this, it is the only program I miss from windows, really.
[05:58] <sdolnack> awwww
[05:58] <sdolnack> so i guess it doens't run in wine?
[05:58] <sdolnack> like friggin LDC++
[05:59] <sdolnack> which is the program I miss most myself
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> Not that I know of.
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> The thing needs raw hardware access iirc.
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> and to flac, I just use the command line anyways :-P
[05:59] <sdolnack> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3699
[05:59] <sdolnack> surprise
[05:59] <sdolnack> how do i do batch files though?
[05:59] <magicbronson> someone here recommended DVD rip-o-matic to me for backing up my dvd's. i see a download link on the kde-apps.org page (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21455), but is there some way to find out if it's packaged in some repo so i can track it?
[05:59] <_john> so im trying to install openoffice with adept and I just go this error
[05:59] <sdolnack> write a script?
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> Sweet!
[05:59] <_john> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[05:59] <IvanTheViking> Last year around this time it didn't work!
[05:59] <Lord_Devi> _john: Hrm, according to the manpage that configures all unconfigured packages..
[06:00] <IvanTheViking> yes, script I think
[06:00] <r0xz> i am trying to encode from CLI and LAME complains with: "lame: -e emp must be n/5/c not set"  I am lost... if anyone has a clue please ping me
[06:00] <Lord_Devi> i think i did that before, and it buggered up my kubuntu install
[06:00] <talljon84> Evening all-   What package provides the xmodmap.us file? xmodmap doesn't appear to...
[06:00] <_john> well it worked fro me after doing the apt-get update first
[06:00] <Lord_Devi> for some reason, something i answered while running that dpkg --configure -a, made it so udev stopped working properly among other things :(
[06:00] <IvanTheViking> sdolnack: now how to make it use flac and oggenc from linux ;)
[06:01] <sdolnack> haha yeah!
[06:01] <Lord_Devi> Well I'm sure it's cuz i answered something wrong. I just wish I knew what it was, lol
[06:01] <sdolnack> i just downloaded tarballs of both oggenc aotuv 4.51 beta
[06:01] <sdolnack> and the LAME 3.97b2
[06:01] <sdolnack> but have no clue what to do from there yet
[06:01] <IvanTheViking> I don't think you need to use tarballs
[06:01] <sdolnack> for lame?
[06:01] <IvanTheViking> you should be able to install the packages.
[06:01] <sdolnack> really?
[06:01] <sdolnack> or oggenc
[06:01] <sdolnack> no shit
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> oggenc is already on ubuntu
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> as should be flac
[06:02] <sdolnack> flac is yes
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> those are Open source ;)
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> lame.. enh. Mp3 laws and all might not
[06:02] <sdolnack> it's lame 3.96.1
[06:02] <sdolnack> hmm
[06:02] <sdolnack> i gues stha'td do
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> it'll work fine.
[06:02] <IvanTheViking> mp3 encoding hasn't changed much
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> might save .001% better.
[06:03] <sdolnack> i must say i was thrilled to find flac support outta the box on kubuntu
[06:03] <sdolnack> i'm actually listneing to a live Talking Heads recording as we speak
[06:03] <sdolnack> or type.  whatever.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> indeed.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> Most linux distros should have it I think.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> Gentoo doesn't, but that's a different story.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> EAC with CDRDAO support.
[06:03] <IvanTheViking> Define irony in installing that.
[06:04] <Desh> WHAT!?
[06:04] <Desh> Why would there be an error extracting an archive?
[06:04] <IvanTheViking> Bad archive.
[06:04] <Desh> :(!!!!!!!!!!
[06:04] <Desh> The world hates me..
[06:04] <sdolnack> sorry charlie
[06:04] <sdolnack> omg
[06:04] <beavis> i would be happy if i could get a raid running in kubuntu , mandrive has such a good installer but crappy system
[06:05] <sdolnack> (wrong window)
[06:08] <IvanTheViking> Giah, wine 0.9.14 and eac aren't liking each other.
[06:08] <sdolnack> how the hell is it working accessing the drive and all?
[06:09] <IvanTheViking> it isn't
[06:09] <IvanTheViking> I get a wine error trying to boot it.
[06:10] <IvanTheViking> unhandled exception.
[06:10] <IvanTheViking> grrr.
[06:10] <IvanTheViking> its gold on older versions, I am going to roll back
[06:11] <beavis> anyone in here got a software raid to work ??
[06:11] <stevekl> Day changed to 09 Jun 2006 HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM
[06:14] <sheldonc> ?
[06:14] <Desh> Rawr?
[06:14] <sheldonc> wondering what kind of script stevekl is running
[06:15] <Desh> 1000 FPS in glxgears = good?
[06:15] <Desh> And why am I not getting 4000 like I did before?
[06:16] <_john> darn it adept keeps trying to install the corefonts andale32.exe   and then complainst about msttcorefonts.   how do I fix this or where do I get those fonts installed or tell adept to stop trying to isntall it
[06:16] <Desh> _john, that's the end result of the porno-virus -_-
[06:17] <Desh> :-P Umm you vould blacklist it
[06:17] <Desh> *could - If you're on Dapper that is
[06:18] <_john> no its micro-soft true-type fonts
[06:18] <_john> but maybe that andale is seperate
[06:19] <IvanTheViking> peace everyone.
[06:19] <_john> so then theres 2 problems andale and msttcorefonts
[06:20] <_john> where can I font the pacakge msttcorefonts for download and then local install
[06:21] <unix_infidel> hey guys, when i run mc inside of aterm it doesnt work too well with garbled output.
[06:21] <unix_infidel> but if i run it in xterm or on console.
[06:21] <unix_infidel> works fine...any ideas?
[06:22] <defrysk> unix_infidel, stop using aterm ?
[06:24] <lasindi[newton] > Hi all, I'm trying to set up my Kubuntu machine as a Samba server. I've got basically everything working, but I want to change the workgroup name. I know how to do this in the smb.conf file, but is there a way to do it through the pretty GUI in System Settings?
[06:25] <Healot> hey buntuans
[06:27] <beavis> does anyone have a link to a guide for installing XGL/Compiz on ATI cards?
[06:27] <CellarDoor> !xgl
[06:27] <ubotu> it has been said that xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Someone should really have a stats module on ubotu to see what it gets asked the most
[06:28] <DaSkreech> I vote for !XGL
[06:29] <CellarDoor> heh
[06:29] <beavis> ty
[06:29] <defrysk> DaSkreech, that would be an off topic funtion
[06:29] <defrysk> so no go
[06:29] <DaSkreech> defrysk: Huh?
[06:29] <CellarDoor> I've installed kubuntu 6.06, next xgl
[06:29] <Desh> What is xgl?
[06:30] <Desh> !xgl
[06:30] <ubotu> xgl is, like, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[06:30] <beavis> its something cool
[06:30] <beavis> like cool windows atc
[06:30] <kosh> opengl accelerated x system
[06:30] <Desh> Hmm?
[06:30] <Desh> Like Windows Aero?
[06:30] <kosh> it allows more of the processing of the desktop to be offloaded from the cpu to the graphics cards
[06:30] <beavis> yeah something like that
[06:30] <Desh> I want that!
[06:30] <DaSkreech> defrysk: Fun ton?
[06:30] <Desh> Where can I get it?
[06:31] <defrysk> DaSkreech, function
[06:31] <beavis> read the xgi guide , it will tell you where to get it and how
[06:31] <DaSkreech> defrysk: What would be an off topic function?
[06:31] <Desh> Adept :)
[06:31] <beavis> you have ati or nvidia card?
[06:31] <Desh> ATI
[06:32] <beavis> damn me too
[06:32] <Desh> :_P
[06:32] <beavis> i cant find a good guide for ati
 Someone should really have a stats module on ubotu to see what it gets asked the most
[06:32] <DaSkreech> defrysk: Right
[06:32] <Desh> beavis, for 3d acceleration?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> defrysk: Why is that offtopic?
[06:33] <Desh> and opengl
[06:33] <defrysk> DaSkreech, nm
[06:34] <sdolnack> oh---my god
[06:34] <sdolnack> i just drag/dropped amaroK from the taskbar to another desktop
[06:34] <sdolnack> this linux thing
[06:34] <sdolnack> it rules so hardcore
[06:34] <Desh> Hahaha.
[06:36] <mbm1980> Hello, I have a problem with having no sound. I tracked the problem, it seems that my main audio device is the one on my TV capture card (which only outputs to video) and not my onboard device, where do I change the device ALSA/OSS uses?
[06:37] <defrysk> mbm1980, turn off the onboard sound in your bios
[06:37] <beavis> Desh: i found it
[06:37] <defrysk> mbm1980, sorry misread your q
[06:38] <mbm1980> defrysk: Why would I want that? I need to output the sound through that as that is my only option. The TV turner doesn't output anything except video.
[06:38] <beavis> Desh: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131253
[06:38] <mbm1980> defrysk: okay =)
[06:39] <mbm1980> defrysk: I've seen the 'Override device location' option in the system settings dialog, however, I have no clue where my onboard device is locate.
[06:40] <defrysk> mbm1980, mybe its the opposite and you need to turn it ON in your bios
[06:40] <defrysk> the on board sound card that is
[06:40] <Desh_> :(
[06:40] <Desh_> My screen went blank randomly!!!!
[06:40] <defrysk> anyway , gotto walk the dog
[06:41] <mbm1980> defrysk: Nope, because I can select it in KMix, turn up and down the volumes, still the active device is the TV tuner.
[06:41] <mbm1980> defrysk: okay, have a nice  walk =)
[06:42] <defrysk> mbm1980, I'm sure it can be fixed tho :)
[06:42] <mbm1980> ...if there just were a way to list hardware devices and their location in /dev... *scrathes head*
[06:43] <unix_infidel> When i try to run mc in aterm i get really garbled output.  But when i run it in xterm or in console i get standard output.
[06:43] <CellarDoor> could someone remind me what the command is to check if my nvidia card is being used ?
[06:43] <unix_infidel> does anyone know of why this could be happening.
[06:44] <mbm1980> glxinfo I think
[06:44] <_john> hey there does anyone know what to do about an interface glitch in adept
[06:45] <_john> it says installation complete but its still isntalling more software
[06:45] <CellarDoor> how do I set direct rendering to be on again ?
[06:45] <CellarDoor> I have forgotten :P
[06:45] <_john> it says installation complete because it choked on msttcorefonts which gave a window for OK
[06:45] <_john> this is the 5 time
[06:46] <unix_infidel> anyone>
[06:46] <_john> but the 2nd last time i didnt click ok and got to watch the remainder of packages get installed
[06:47] <CellarDoor> !nvidia
[06:47] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:49] <_john> hey the bug report link under the help menu opens a window for Destroyer but the launch wizard button does nothing
[06:49] <_john> 8^(
[06:52] <hektisk> hello...usually when I go to System Settings->Display and try to log into 'Administrator Mode' the box asking me for the root password doesn't appear.  The AM button becomes grayed out, and there's a red outline around where the tabs/settings should be, but there's nothing there and there's no where for me to type my password so I can't change any settings...anyone know why this is happening, or how I can fix this problem?
[06:56] <Desh_> !xgl
[06:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[06:57] <RawSewage> Qt: 3.3.6
[06:57] <RawSewage> KDE: 3.5.2
[06:57] <RawSewage> kde-config: 1.0
[06:57] <RawSewage> will Kubuntu give us 3.5.3 and the latest Amarok soon
[06:57] <RawSewage> or do we do it manually
[06:57] <root_____> Evening all.  Anyone had trouble getting custom keyboard shortcuts working in dapper?  For example, I mapped ALT+1 to switch to desktop 1, ALT+2 to desk 2, etc.  Won't take hold.
[06:59] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[06:59] <GliderMike> Also, selecting "double click to open files and folders" in mouse settings is set but behavior still stays on single click
[06:59] <ubotu> somebody said kde4 was http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[06:59] <TheHonk> i'm loving moving from windows to ubuntu, i've got tons of apps up now, but can i get an itunes replacement for ubuntu 6.06?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Check http://www.kubuntu.org
[06:59] <RawSewage> ok
[07:00] <Desh_> :-O I want xgl, but I'm too lazy to set it up, why can;t I just get it from adept and bam, make it work.
[07:00] <RawSewage> you mean XGL and Compiz
[07:00] <r0xz> KsCD doesn't give me any sound, and so does grip. Is there a package i should install?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Desh_: That would be Edgy
[07:01] <Desh_> Argh.
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Desh if you want it that bad then jump to edgy :)
[07:01] <Desh_> Does it work on Mobility Radeon 9700?
[07:02] <Desh_> And like, is it it's own GUI like KDE and Gnome, or an addon?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Desh_: :-) Wow
[07:03] <Desh_> :(
[07:03] <Desh_> You know, you don;t have to make me feel dumb..
[07:03] <Desh_> :-P
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Desh_: ok You have an X server
[07:03] <Desh_> Right.
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Which serves up windows but as points
[07:04] <Desh_> Ok.
[07:04] <DaSkreech> LIke this corner is at X,y this corner is X,y
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Then you have a window manager on top of that
[07:04] <TheHonk> is there an iTunes replacement for ubuntu that'll synch w/ my ipod?
[07:04] <Desh_> Oh, like Kde and Gnome?
[07:04] <DaSkreech> That draws it as well as gives it butons and a title bar etc
[07:04] <DaSkreech> TheHonk: Amarok
[07:04] <TheHonk> sweet
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Not quite
[07:04] <Desh_> I see, Xorg would be the X server, right?
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Like kwin or Blackbox
[07:05] <Ashex> My Package management system appears to have been broken by java: http://pastebin.com/769121
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Correct
[07:05] <DaSkreech> On top of that you have a desktop which is a bunch of connected applications, control panels and HIGs
[07:05] <Desh_> So, if I use KDE, what would that be?
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Like Gnome or KDE
[07:06] <CellarDoor> Hello again all
[07:06] <Desh_> I used Blackbox once on another LiveCD...
[07:06] <TheHonk> thanks DaSkreech
[07:06] <DaSkreech> So it's XServer -> Window Manager -> Desktop
[07:06] <Ashex> anyone have any ideas?
[07:06] <click_wilson> hi again all
[07:06] <DaSkreech> TheHonk: No problem
[07:06] <Desh_> So what is Kubuntu's window manager?
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Right Blackbox has no libraries or guidelines
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Kwin
[07:06] <Desh_> I see...
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Hi _amy_
[07:06] <Desh_> So where does Xgl fall in this?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> So XGL is a new Xorg
[07:07] <DaSkreech> it replaces it
[07:07] <Desh_> :-O!
[07:07] <Desh_> Badass.
[07:07] <DaSkreech> then you have a window manager and desktop on top of it
[07:07] <CellarDoor> I'm currently working my way through the instructions on how to install xgl on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager/Xgl and it says I need to do a dist upgrade... Do I really need to do that if I already have dapper installed ?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Desh_: Kinda badass :)
[07:07] <DaSkreech> CellarDoor: Yes
[07:07] <RawSewage> is xgl faster?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Desh_: one second
[07:07] <Desh_> You need to get Edgy?
[07:07] <_john> nite all
[07:07] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: At some things
[07:07] <RawSewage> one second faster?
[07:07] <Desh_> :-O
[07:07] <Desh_> Nite
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Desh_: No It works on Dapper
[07:08] <RawSewage> hm
[07:08] <CellarDoor> DaSkreech: ok... do I need to install kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> CellarDoor: Dist-upgrade doesn't just upgrade toa new distro
[07:08] <CellarDoor> DaSkreech: ok