[01:19] <Zemus> Ok, attempting for the third time now. I start the ubuntu gutsy installer, and it brings me to GMD instead of the live desktop. It's asking me to login, but of course, no username or password has been created. Does anyone know why this is happening?
[01:20] <gnomefreak> Zemus: ubuntu = username password is empty
[01:21] <Zemus> tried it, didn't work.
[01:21] <gnomefreak> not the word empty but leave it empty
[01:21] <gnomefreak> Zemus: i did it here yesterday
[01:21] <Zemus> The first two times, it never brought me to gdm. What the hell? :|
[01:21] <spasticteapot> Anyone know what's up with laptop support?
[01:21] <Jaymac> Zemus.. try linux as the username, no password
[01:21] <gnomefreak> Zemus: could be a bad burn
[01:21] <spasticteapot> My battery life sucks, and my screen won't change brightness.
[01:21] <Zemus> I've attempted to install four times in about half an hour, the first two times it hung, the third and fourth time it's asking for a u/n and p/w. Blanks are invalid.
[01:21] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: its ubuntu for all ubuntu desktop cds
[01:21] <Zemus> gnomefreak, this is the second burn.
[01:22] <gnomefreak> Zemus: how slow of a speed?
[01:22] <Zemus> I lowered it to 32x for the second burn :P
[01:22] <gnomefreak> Zemus: are the md5sums the same
[01:22] <savvas> Zemus: have you checked the cd? there's a boot option to check if it's ok
[01:22] <gnomefreak> Zemus: lower it to like 4x
[01:22] <crimsun> gnomefreak: (esound-clients is not installed)
[01:22] <Zemus> gnomefreak, I don't understand why I should have to do that, but if it still doesn't work after I've checked for defects, I will do that.
[01:22] <crimsun> (away, cooking)
[01:23] <gnomefreak> faster the burn more likely its gonna skip files
[01:23] <gnomefreak> crimsun: should that be installed by default?
[01:23] <gnomefreak> Zemus: the check for defects never is a good test
[01:23] <Zemus> Then why is it there? :|
[01:24] <gnomefreak> Zemus: download ISO check md5sums of ISO with the md5sum dir wher eyou downloaded it, burn at slowest speed possible
[01:24] <Zemus> gnomefreak, it's easier to just burn a new one than see if the old one is bad :P
[01:24] <gnomefreak> Zemus: its not looking as hard as people expect it makes sure dirs are there files are there but no what the file is
[01:25] <[reed] > Anybody else having a problem where whenever xscreensaver starts, the X session dies?
[01:25] <gnomefreak> checking md5sum makes sure all files dirs are the same from whats on site and whats on your file system
[01:26] <gnomefreak> [reed] : nope and that is the first time ive seen that one
[01:26] <[reed] > well, it's happening consistently for me
[01:26] <[reed] > :/
[01:26] <[reed] > if I run xscreensaver, my X session dies
[01:26] <[reed] > hehe
[01:26] <gnomefreak> [reed] : i would file a bug and if x is crashing/shutting down try to get strace or backtrace
[01:27] <gnomefreak> does it happen on all xscreensavers or just some
[01:27] <gnomefreak> example just the gl ones?
[01:27] <jobobo> hello, does anyone know if there are plans after gutsy is released to have the tickless patches applied to the x86_64 version?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: not yet please lets get one out the door first
[01:28] <[reed] > gnomefreak: not sure... let me test
[01:28] <gnomefreak> [reed] : is conpiz enabled?
[01:28] <[reed] > gnomefreak: nope, my ATI card doesn't support 3d accel
[01:28] <[reed] > well, it does, but only on the proprietary drivers
[01:28] <gnomefreak> [reed] : good
[01:29] <[reed] > that I don't run
[01:29] <gnomefreak> [reed] : test other screensavers ;) make sure you remember what ones do and dont kill X
[01:29] <kyja> even kubuntu alternate tribe 5 does not finnish install on my hp zd8000. it kills my hp laptop like the plug got pulled
[01:30] <kyja> power has died before finnish everytime with tribe 5 and beta
[01:30] <kyja> its like it does not have cpu scaling and it over heats
[01:30] <gnomefreak> kyja: and you expected it to work?
[01:31] <Jaymac> gnomefreak, sorry?
[01:31] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: what?
 Jaymac: not yet please lets get one out the door first
[01:31] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: asking about support for hardy
[01:31] <gnomefreak> did i type your nick?
[01:31] <Jaymac> I've not said anything in here in a while :)
[01:32] <kyja> well, usualy ubuntu live cds dont over heat my machine so I though if it was not going t work it would just gobble my hard drive making it impossible to recover my other partition :)
[01:32] <kyja> overheating was not expected no
[01:32] <kyja> just thought I would let you all know
[01:32] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: sorry tab completion
[01:32] <Jaymac> no worries
[01:32] <Jaymac> thought i was popular for a minute :)
[01:33] <gnomefreak> kyja: there are alot of changes going on with desktop cd at this time we held off adding these things to beta due to breakage. please get daily desktop cd from 09252007 should work (make sure md5sum is right before burning and burn at slowest speed possible
[01:34] <gnomefreak> tuesdays ISO once installed may have 2 updates for it
[01:34] <gnomefreak> udev and something else (cant remember
[01:35] <scizzo-> I really can't understand that my graphic is slow..... :(
[01:35] <scizzo-> well more of why its slow
[01:35] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: could be becasue of compiz
[01:35] <kyja> ok no problem. I know its beta, just worried you have like 3 weeks before thousands of laptops cant finnish installs. but I have faith I never had a problem with any release so far. :)
[01:35] <gnomefreak> most likely the cause
[01:36] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: well...it could....but I don't use it... :P hehe
[01:36] <gnomefreak> kyja: it wont be released if it doesnt work
[01:36] <kyja> :)
[01:36] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: are you sure?
[01:36] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: yep...
[01:36] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: its enabled by default if you add your drivers
[01:36] <gnomefreak> unless intel965 and a couple of otehr cards
[01:37] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: its set to none and no background process of it
[01:37] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: what card?>
[01:37] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: +it can't be started with xinerama.....hmmm...maybe its the xinerama stuff
[01:37] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: geforce 8800 GTS
[01:37] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: very well could be it could be hundreds of things (this is why i went to most popular choices)
[01:38] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: 128mb?
[01:38] <gnomefreak> ^^^ vcard
[01:38] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: 640MB
[01:39] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[01:39] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: its the rendering that is slow
[01:39] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: and it starts in GDM
[01:39] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: like its slow when using widescreen resolution or something
[01:39] <gnomefreak> than its X not your card
[01:40] <scizzo-> not sure what it is really
[01:40] <Tm_T> I'm on Gutsy, YAY!
[01:41] <Tm_T> that means, lots of lots of compiling ;(
[01:41] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: almost feels like there is something bothering the rendering
[01:41] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: or cache or something simular making the refresh rate or something go slow...
[01:43] <scizzo-> the desktop effects I can't get started just because of the xinerama stuff that I have bug reported
[01:43] <scizzo-> !bug 140819
[01:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140819 in displayconfig-gtk "Should use TwinView instead of Xinerama for NVIdia cards" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140819
[01:45] <gnomefreak> displayconfig-gtk need updating
[01:45] <gnomefreak> someone was working on it the other day
[01:46] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: i dont really know what could cause that other than the dual display or drivers for your card
[01:47] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: gonna dig more into searching for answers on the wonderful internet
[01:47] <woodwizzle> is it possible to get lightscribe working in gutsy?
[01:47] <Amaranth> displayconfig-gtk + nvidia == bad
[01:47] <Amaranth> because it uses xinerama to setup dual head
[01:47] <Amaranth> which is not supported by nvidia and causes problems with compiz
[01:48] <scizzo-> Amaranth: well how can you use the twinview then to use the same function as the xinerama offers?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> ha i mixture of what i was thinking :)
[01:49] <Amaranth> scizzo-: oh, did I guess your problem?
[01:49] <Amaranth> scizzo-: open up nvidia-settings
[01:49] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: think you pinpointed it
[01:49] <Zambezi> An odd problem. Feisty works fine. After upgrading to Gutsy it just black. No console.
[01:50] <scizzo-> Amaranth: yes "but" I tried using twin view with starting compiz.....then the first screen gave me the decorations around the windows but the other screen did not get it...however both screens got the compiz function started.....
[01:50] <francois> Should I keep the same xorg file after upgrading to gutsy ?
[01:50] <scizzo-> Amaranth: and this is after trying --replace also to see if that made any difference
[01:50] <[reed] > gnomefreak: filed bug #145881
[01:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145881 in xscreensaver "X session dies when xscreensaver runs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145881
[01:51] <gnomefreak> [reed] : find a reason yet?
[01:51] <Amaranth> scizzo-: sounds like you used multiscreen, not twinview
[01:51] <gnomefreak> [reed] : is it what types of screensavers?
[01:51] <[reed] > gnomefreak: nope... crashes on multiple screensavers (even non-gl)
[01:51] <gnomefreak> [reed] : is the lock set? if so unlock it and see
[01:51] <gnomefreak> maybe the lock is killing X
[01:51] <gnomefreak> that was an issue in feisty testing
[01:51] <[reed] > both `gnome-screensaver-command -l` and `gnome-screensaver-command -a` kill it
[01:51] <scizzo-> gonna test the nvidia-settings stuff now
[01:55] <ConstyXIV> Does azureus segfault for anyone else?
[01:56] <[reed] > gnomefreak: it's not the lock
[01:56] <scizzo-> right I am now using the desktop effects with the nvidia-settings stuff on
[01:57] <Zambezi> Any idea why ATI x300 Mobil give a guy blackscreen? It worked in Feisty. Just default installation.
[01:57] <Zambezi> Sorry. x700
[01:57] <scizzo-> however the seconds screens metacity is not starting and control of focus is hard to fix at the moment
[01:58] <scizzo-> and turning off the effect makes metacity on the second screen come back
[01:58] <jimmygoon> I must say... I think Gutsy may be the finest release ever
[01:59] <woodwizzle> Yeah gutsy is pretty slick
[01:59] <woodwizzle> easy to get new codecs and nvidia drivers
[01:59] <woodwizzle> cinch to turn on compiz
[02:00] <scizzo-> but the graphics are working much better
[02:00] <woodwizzle> Flash was easy to install even on my amd64
[02:00] <jimmygoon> I'm particularly smitten with the gnome2.2 :)
[02:01] <woodwizzle> jimmygoon: Yeah its a good bit of polish on top of .18, I've been running 2.20 for a while though so I've been focused on the new ubuntu specefic stuff
[02:05] <Marco> is the performance difference between the generic kernel and 386 kernel significant?
[02:06] <jimmygoon> OH SNAPZ. It loads past logs? no wai!
[02:06] <jimmygoon> xchat rocks!
[02:06] <Marco> the 386 kernel is not working with my sound and not detecting that my processor has more than one core (it's quad core)
[02:06] <Marco> the generic kernel is working perfectly
[02:06] <Marco> concerned about performance though
[02:06] <jimmygoon> A couple quick questions: 1- Is there any way to use gnome2.22's encrypted archive feature?
[02:06] <RAOF> Marco: Generic is more optimised than -386, which is legacy only.
[02:07] <Marco> O.o
[02:07] <Marco> are you *sure*
[02:07] <RAOF> Marco: Yes.
[02:07] <Marco> :o
[02:07] <RAOF> Marco: The -386 kernel has optimisations set lower, smp disabled, and a couple of drivers that aren't SMP safe.  That's the difference.
[02:08] <RAOF> Marco: Which is why you don't get SMP on -386 :)
[02:08] <ConstyXIV> jimmygoon: install the seahorse package
[02:09] <jimmygoon> ConstyXIV, thanks  - did Ubuntu choose to remove that feature intentionaly?
[02:10] <ConstyXIV> jimmygoon: i believe they just didn't feel like most (normal) people needed an encryption package out of the box
[02:10] <jimmygoon> ConstyXIV, yeah, too many threads "I forgot my password to my encrypted folder of really important stuff..."
[02:11] <jimmygoon> ConstyXIV, maybe you can answer my second question- is there an easy/fast way to make my main menu entry narrower... (shorter) they are too thick
[02:12] <ConstyXIV> jimmygoon: i don't know
[02:12] <jimmygoon> ConstyXIV, ok. well thanks a bunch anyway!
[02:16] <Instabin> What program can i use to create a dvd from an avi
[02:18] <jbinder> I think k3b?
[02:18] <jbinder> K3b
[02:22] <defcon_> where can I find the w32codecs "restricted formats" for gutsy
[02:22] <RAOF> !medibuntu | defcon_
[02:22] <ubotu> defcon_: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[02:23] <Marco> oh yeah, I meant to mention that
[02:23] <Marco> the default text sizes in gnome
[02:23] <Marco> are too large
[02:23] <Marco> and make the menus look awkward
[02:23] <RAOF> Marco: Fix your DPI settings (System->Preferences->Appearance->Fonts->Advanced)
[02:24] <Marco> my dpi is at 96
[02:24] <Marco> oh wait
[02:24] <Marco> nvm
[02:24] <Marco> I did adjust the dpi
[02:24] <Marco> lol
[02:24] <Marco> I lowered it from 100
[02:26] <RAOF> Is that your correct DPI?  You should be able to find out with "xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[02:26] <RAOF> Marco: But feel free to file a bug if that dpi is incorrect.
[02:27] <Marco> the ideal dpi on my monitor is 101, that's what it was originally at probably
[02:27] <Marco> xdpyinfo confirms that
[02:27] <Marco> I like text a bit smaller though
[02:27] <RAOF> Ah, well...
[02:27] <tamgo> anyone else have gutsu spontaneously freeze on theme?
[02:28] <bur[n] er> tamgo: only when I come back after it being idle for awhile... and only occasionally
[02:32] <channel200> Has anyone successfully updated Feisty to Gutsy beta from the alternate CD yet?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> yes?
[02:33] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: BU!
[02:33] <gnomefreak> CV!
[02:33] <gnomefreak> what is bu?
[02:33] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: ummm quick thing about panels and notification areas.....I changed it all now
[02:33] <gnomefreak> channel200: upgrading is a bit tricky atm
[02:33] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: just ask if i know ill answer
[02:33] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: I am using "twinview" sorta with new config.....which is not really what I wanted but I am still error searching a bit...
[02:34] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: yeah I just need to explain what I have done
[02:34] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: ok so I managed to remove the panels on the one screen and then start them again using Run -> gnome-panel
[02:35] <channel200> gnomefreak: I've seen two problems - the upgrade is stalling on file retrieval from the CD before complete, but also, if connected to the net it seems to be moving back to online repository updating. I was wondering if this is a known problem.
[02:35] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: however when I start pidgin on screen "1" the notification area does not give me the notifications if you know what I mean
[02:35] <VousDeux> is it possible to play the games like at shockwave.com or pogo.com on Ubuntu?
[02:35] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: however if I start it on screen "0" it starts the notification of the pidgin application
[02:35] <gnomefreak> channel200: you didnt comment out the net repos
[02:35] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: there are 2 notification areas one on screen "1" and one on "0"
[02:36] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: im not sure about 2 screens
[02:36] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: yes install flash/gnash and sun-java
[02:36] <gnomefreak> i would use sun-java5-plugin if using firefox
[02:36] <gnomefreak> sun-java6 seems to have issues lately
[02:36] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: narf
[02:37] <VousDeux> hmmm...isn't there a difference between flash and shockwave?
[02:37] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: no problem mate....just wanted another head on what might have been causing this
[02:37] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: :)
[02:37] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: i only need one screen on each pc and i have plenty of those
[02:37] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: yes there is but for pogo you dont need shockwave
[02:37] <VousDeux> I have flash running, but when I try to launch a game it says my browser is not supported
[02:37] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: in pogo?
[02:38] <VousDeux> that was on shockwave.com
[02:38] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: i play almost daily
[02:38] <gnomefreak> ther eisnt shockwave support
[02:38] <gnomefreak> there isnt
[02:38] <VousDeux> do you use firefox?
[02:38] <channel200> gnomefreak: any idea why it's stalling on 'Fetching the upgrades' before it's read all the files?
[02:38] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: you can try libshockwave but i dont think it will help
[02:38] <gnomefreak> channel200: if the cdrom repo isnt the only one enabled yes
[02:39] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: yes and iceape and 10 others
[02:39] <VousDeux> maybe if I just get one of those user-agent plugins it will work
[02:39] <gnomefreak> give or take
[02:39] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: its a nasty work habbit I have with 2 screens
[02:39] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: shockwave is very unlikely to work at all
[02:40] <VousDeux> okay, I'm just trying to make sure everything would work for my Mom if I set her up with a Ubuntu box
[02:40] <VousDeux> I know she won't like it if she has to give up anything she enjoys
[02:41] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: you can try it, im able to watch the videos on apple.com :)
[02:41] <VousDeux> with libshockwave?
[02:43] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: is there anything special she does?
[02:43] <VousDeux> I was trying to test it on my x86_64, but that seems to present a whole new set of challenges
[02:43] <VousDeux> I'm not sure what all she does, I just wanted to make sure anything she wanted to do would work.
[02:44] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: i'm assuming she does the standard web browsing, email, im, and light WP usage?
[02:44] <luckyone> hello all
[02:44] <luckyone> I am having some serious troubles post-gusty upgrade
[02:44] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, most likely...and lots of online games
[02:45] <luckyone> I can't set my time, my system thinks it is 01/01/05
[02:45] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: online as in flash games, or online as in counterstrike? :)
[02:45] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, flash games :)
[02:45] <luckyone> I can't log into the desktop very consistently
[02:45] <ConstyXIV> flash 9 works just fine in linux
[02:45] <ConstyXIV> so does java
[02:46] <VousDeux> ConstyXIV, I'm just not quite sure what role shockwave might play in her current activities
[02:46] <ConstyXIV> well, assuming 32 bit linux
[02:46] <ConstyXIV> yeah, shockwave could be an issue
[02:46] <ConstyXIV> but i don't see too much of it myself anymore
[02:46] <ConstyXIV> in fact, i don't think i've seen shockwave on a website since 2002ish
[02:47] <VousDeux> what I'm trying to offer her is a more trouble-free way of doing what she enjoys to do...without all of the threats she is constantly exposed to
[02:47] <VousDeux> one thing for sure...her winmodem has to go
[02:47] <luckyone> VousDeux: it is a tough switch, I tried to do the same thing with my in laws
[02:48] <luckyone> VousDeux: good luck!
[02:48] <VousDeux> thanks :)
[02:48] <luckyone> using the terminal what do I need to tell apt-get to have it reinstall most packages?
[02:49] <luckyone> like the core ubuntu ones
[02:49] <ConstyXIV> VousDeux: do you have a ubuntu machine set up?  let her loose on it and see if theres anything missing
[02:49] <luckyone> I did this, attempted to migrate from kubuntu to ubuntu, then upgraded to gusty
[02:49] <luckyone> now stuff isn't working correctly
[02:50] <luckyone> first things first, why doesn't my system synch time to a time server?
[02:52] <VousDeux> since I tried to install java on my x86_64 the other day, the j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin says it's broken(installed). There does not seem to be an option to uninstall it.
[02:54] <VousDeux> both times since then when I have installed daily updates, it also tried to update the java plugin, but fails
[02:54] <VousDeux> I also cannot seem to install Blackdown because it says there was an error that might break something that is already installed
[02:56] <channel200> luckyone: ntp is installed/enabled by default. have you done that?
[02:56] <VousDeux> ahhh...I just found 'request removal' under details
[02:56] <channel200> luckyone: ntp isn't installed/enabled by default. have you enabled?
[02:57] <luckyone> channel200: yes
[02:57] <luckyone> it is installed
[02:57] <luckyone> and configured to look at three time servers
[02:57] <luckyone> channel200: I can't seem to get past loging
[02:57] <VousDeux> shoot, it still won't install blackdown
[02:57] <Pici> Hmm... Klog seems to me using up 100% cpu and I dont know why.
[02:57] <channel200> luckyone: loging?
[02:57] <Pici> Its burning my lap :o
[02:58] <winbond> check it out, when i execute a start script for firefox from the terminal ./firefox it starts quickly and its ready to go, but when i start it from a shortcut on the desktop, it starts but there is a busy icon bouncing for another 30 seconds, whats the problem?
[02:58] <luckyone> channel200: where should I start?
[02:58] <luckyone> channel200: ahh, sorry login
[02:58] <luckyone> Pici: are you on AMD64?
[02:58] <Pici> luckyone: Nope.
[02:59] <channel200> luckyone: how far do you get?
[02:59] <luckyone> Pici: my problem was evms
[02:59] <luckyone> Pici: do ps -ef | grep evms and see if you have two processes running
[02:59] <luckyone> channel200: I get to the login screen, enter my name and pass, then nothing
[03:00] <luckyone> channel200: screen goes light brown
[03:00] <channel200> luckyone: I'd do a console login and check the x11 log
[03:00] <Pici> luckyone: nope not even one
[03:01] <luckyone> channel200: I am logged in on the console right nwo
[03:01] <VousDeux> I don't understand why blackdown says it has a conflict with stuff I don't even have installed
[03:01] <luckyone> Pici: what does /var/log/syslog.0 say?
[03:01] <channel200> luckyone: look in /var/log
[03:02] <Pici> luckyone: nothing special
[03:02] <Pici> I'm just going to kill it and see if the problem occurs again.
[03:02] <luckyone> channel200: I have, there is a lot of stuff there, I don't have a clue what my problem is
[03:03] <channel200> luckyone: is this an upgrade? from 7.04 or 7.10 alpha?
[03:03] <luckyone> 7.04
[03:03] <luckyone> channel200: it worked great on my desktop, so I decided to give it a whirl on my media server... doh
[03:04] <channel200> luckyone: check /etc/X11 for backup copies of xorg.conf
[03:04] <luckyone> channel200: it isn't an Xorg problem
[03:04] <luckyone> channel200: if it was, the login screen wouldn't be able to display
[03:04] <luckyone> channel200: and I get that far
[03:05] <channel200> luckyone: I'm not certain that's true. I've had X problems with my 7.10 installation for the last week - with each update
[03:05] <channel200> luckyone: I could get to the login screen several times, but problems after login.
[03:06] <luckyone> channel200: k, what did you look for in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:06] <channel200> luckyone: I copied a clean backup into place
[03:07] <channel200> luckyone: I have no experience debugging X
[03:08] <luckyone> channel200: I feel pretty comfortable with X, we got very intimate this past weekend while I learned how to tell the nvidia driver to drive my 1080p display
[03:08] <luckyone> going to restart
[03:08] <luckyone> be back in a flash
[03:11] <scizzo-> ok well I am half way to get it working with the screens as I want
[03:12] <channel200> gnomefreak: can you explain the problem with a cd upgrade if it also sees net repos?
[03:13] <gnomefreak> channel200: it wont use the cdrom repo so no sense in using cd or cant use cd
[03:13] <channel200> gnomefreak: I presume this is well known - not worth reporting, then
[03:14] <gnomefreak> channel200: if you installed anything that is not in the official repos you might have issues after the upgrade
[03:14] <gnomefreak> channel200: if you have net repos enalbed and using the cd to upgrade that is user error not a bug
[03:14] <gnomefreak> cdrom repo attepts to grab packages from the cd
[03:15] <gnomefreak> the net repos grab packages from net/archives
[03:17] <scizzo-> someone that can suggest for me how to get the screens to change default screen?
[03:17] <channel200> gnomefreak: the second line of the upgrade status dialog is 'Updating software channels'. I presume that means updating the repos list
[03:17] <gnomefreak> channel200: and it means the cd is useless
[03:17] <darrend> my laptop just started doing a strange thing.. atfer name/password input in gdm, the user (any user) session takes ages to load..
[03:17] <gnomefreak> its grabbing the packages from archive.ubuntu.com
[03:18] <darrend> like 4 minutes to change the background image and 20 more to show any apps
[03:18] <channel200> gnomefreak: That's what the dialog indicates (at a very slow rate too)
[03:18] <gnomefreak> channel200: your not using the cd for anything atm
[03:18] <darrend> no sign of CPU/disk/net activity during this period ata ll
[03:18] <darrend> any ideas?
[03:18] <gnomefreak> it may fail if cd in in due to it not finding the packages
[03:19] <strabes> I have a strange question
[03:19] <RAOF> darrend: If you had huge disc I/O, I'd suggest that it'd be artifact of tracker indexing, but if you don't, then I don't know.
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> darrend: is this an old machine?
[03:19] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: Do you use a wireless network?
[03:19] <channel200> gnomefreak: If I run gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" the upgrade reads from the CD until about 2/3 the way through the file list, then stops. It is reading the cd
[03:19] <darrend> nosrednaekim: no, very high spec and it only just started doing this
[03:19] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: yes
[03:20] <gnomefreak> channel200: if you are going to use the cd comment out all other repos in /etc/apt/sources.list if you are gonna use net remove the cd
[03:20] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: I'm seeing it as well, it appears to be an issue (being actively worked on with NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant). If you log-out and log-in again does that do it nice and fast?
[03:21] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: I haven't waited long enough to be able to log out properly yet - I get fed up waiting and hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:21] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: I'll wait longer for the session to load fully (to see if it actually does)
[03:22] <strabes> I have it set so the screen dims when idle. The problem is that in gnome-screensaver-preferences i have it set to regard the computer as idle after 1 minute. When that 1 minute is up, the screen undims.
[03:22] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: From a VT console I noticed also that xorg pushes 100% CPU usage for quite a time during GDM startup, not sure if it is totally to do with compiz or not yet - I'm working on some ACPI hibernate issues
[03:22] <gnomefreak> channel200: running that command should add the cdrom repo and comment out the net repos but since this is gutsy there is no telling why it didnt maybe upgrade process changed. i know right this minute the devels say to either use update-manager to upgrade or do a clean install (so maybe the alternates arent set up for upgrade yet.
[03:24] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: hmm.. the CPU fan just kicked in so I guess CPU is high just now.  Don't want to switch to a VT to look at top as I get  a black screen on returning to X
[03:24] <gnomefreak> if you do use update-manager make sure you have the latest version of update-manager in feisty-updates
[03:24] <channel200> gnomefreak: what does an entry for a CD in the sources list look like? I don't see one in there now
[03:24] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: what video chipset is it?
[03:24] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: nvidia
[03:24] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: same here
[03:24] <darrend> I think the black screen is to do with the slow startup though, normally it's ok
[03:25] <darrend> panel's just loading now.. might be able to log out in a few minutes :)
[03:25] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: what I do is, from the GDM log-in screen switch to a VT, login, and start top ... switch to GDM, log-in, and switch back to the VT instantly and watch
[03:27] <VousDeux> any ideas as to how the Xorg.0.log could conclude that the synaptics device is not installed, but it still generally functions (except cannot be configured or disabled)?
[03:27] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: why would it have suddebly started doing this - I didn't even update/upgrade with apt-get so nothing should have changed in the packages
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: its using a generic mouse driver?
[03:27] <darrend> *suddenly
[03:28] <Marco> VousDeux, is it possible that the driver isn't working but xorg is implementing some basic functionality with generic drivers?
[03:28] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: maybe the app for it isnt installed (config app or whatever)
[03:28] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: 'suddenly' ? since when? have you not allowed updates for some time?
[03:28] <VousDeux> how can I answer that?
[03:28] <Marco> darrend, I had that exact problem
[03:28] <Marco> my xorg.conf had been filled with crap
[03:28] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: first timne I switched the laptop on for 3-4 days.
[03:28] <Marco> for some odd reason
[03:29] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: examine the synaptic history in /root/.synaptic/log for the recent changes, see if you can pin it down
[03:30] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: ok, I finally managed to log out normally from an X session, but same thing now happening when I try to login again.  I'll check that log..
[03:30] <VousDeux> I'm not sure if a generic mouse driver would explain it, because even the synaptic scroller works
[03:30] <jcg> Does the Beta mean that from now there will just be bugfixes to packages?
[03:30] <IntuitiveNipple> I usually do "sudo grep -i '<package>' /root/.synaptic/log/*"
[03:31] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: That kind of thing can sometimes be caused by a DNS name resolution time-out. It can affect silly things like starting a gnome-terminal session, for example
[03:32] <polorix> Hey everyone. I'm on a fresh install of the Gusty beta.  I was wondering how i configure the effects..like choose which ones and the key combonations for certain things like the cube.
[03:32] <IntuitiveNipple> polorix: System > Preferences > Appearance
[03:33] <IntuitiveNipple> polorix: and "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings"
[03:33] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: I normally use aptitude (cmd line) when updating manually, but there is stuff in the .synaptic/log/ dir from 3 days ago.. both network-manager and wpa-supplicant were upgraded
[03:33] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: I guess this is automated updates?
[03:33] <scizzo-> anyone has any idea of why o why I can't make one screen the default instead of the other?
[03:33] <polorix> IntuitiveNipple: well that only enables what i just said i enabled...but how do i configure?
[03:34] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: That might be it. There's some issues with wpa spending a loooong time initialising which haven't yet been solved
[03:34] <VousDeux> the only thing I see unde lsmod is psmouse, but it doesn't say what is using it...I also have a USB mouse attached
[03:34] <IntuitiveNipple> polorix: and "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings"
[03:34] <scizzo-> it seems at the moment that they are mixed up a bit and also that the default screen I want is not the default screen.... :(
[03:35] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: well, my laptop is now no more use than as a door stop.. is there a bug tracking this fault anywhere?
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> darrend: you can login fro a command line, right?
[03:35] <polorix> IntuitiveNipple: where is that? all i see is "Extra"
[03:35] <darrend> nosrednaekim: yes
[03:36] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend:  In launchpad, there's several. You need to pin down whether this is the cause of your specific problem first. Best way to do that is to kill NetworkManager before GDM starts
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> darrend: try installing another windowmanager like KDE or XFCE
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> darrend: and see if that fixes it.
[03:36] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: that way nm-applet won't be trying to connect to the WiFi - if you still get the delay then it looks likely to be another cause
[03:36] <polorix> Can anyone help?
[03:37] <darrend> nosrednaekim: quite, I was in the process of switching from xubuntu on this machine to get better support for things like wireless roaming! Maybe I shouldn't.
[03:37] <VousDeux> okay, the devices file I created says I have a "Macintosh mouse button emulation" that is handled by mouse0 event0...could this have anything to do with my synaptics device?
[03:37] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: I'll try that
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: yep... you have a mac?
[03:38] <VousDeux> no, not a mac
[03:38] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: I note from the console login that the network is connected ok with DHCP assigned address but restarting gdm and logging in still produces this behaviour
[03:39] <polorix> Does anyone know anything about the compiz stuff?
[03:39] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: ok, so, next I'd be watching 'top' like a hawk whilst GDM starts
[03:39] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: that should give you a clue as to where to focus
[03:39] <VousDeux> it also lists my USB receiver and my Logitech Wheel mouse, the latter says it is handled my mouse2
[03:40] <VousDeux> the USB receiver is handled by mouse1
[03:40] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: then next I'd probably stop GDM and start it manually via strace (with appropriate options to limit output somewhat) to see where all the action is
[03:40] <VousDeux> those are the only devices that seem to be mouse related
[03:40] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: right, I killed all NetworkManager and related procs before restarting gdm.  Now I get to login quickly, but my session is screwed (no panels, messed up fonts/icon settings etc)
[03:41] <VousDeux> I'm not clear on how the mouse0 device may be related to my touch pad
[03:41] <VousDeux> maybe it is being mis-identified
[03:41] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: interesting... it is worth a full restart but don't log-in until you've kille NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher - see if it is still fast
[03:41] <gunny> upgrade to  2.6.22-12-generic seems to have made my microphone stop working on my latop anyone else have a similiar problem?
[03:41] <polorix> VousDeux: do you know anything about the compiz stuff?
[03:42] <VousDeux> polorix, I'm afraid not
[03:42] <IntuitiveNipple> gunny: Have you tried altering the sound device's input options?
[03:42] <VousDeux> I don't plan on spending much time on software stuff until I'm sure I have all of the hardware issues resolved
[03:42] <gunny> no not yet just came across the problem..everything else works ok though
[03:43] <VousDeux> and this touch pad is driving me up the wall
[03:43] <gunny> thats is the alsa config stuff ?
[03:43] <IntuitiveNipple> From the sound icon in the notification tray, right-click choose "Open Volume Control" then 'Edit > Preferences' and "Show All"
[03:44] <IntuitiveNipple> then check out the "Switches" and "Recording" tabs to ensure the microphone is enabled and not muted
[03:44] <VousDeux> I submitted everything I was supposed to for the bug report, but I don't even think anyone even looked at it
[03:45] <gunny> done that thks  everything is unmuted enabled...
[03:45] <IntuitiveNipple> gunny: what did you use to test the microphone input?
[03:46] <VousDeux> I'm thinking about downloading some other live CDs to see if others recognize my touch pad
[03:46] <gunny> sound recorder, skype (which was working)
[03:47] <luckyone> ok, finally got logged in to my server
[03:47] <luckyone> now I need to figure out why my ntp service isn't working
[03:50] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: ok, full restart/kill NetworkManager/restartgdm/login is now fast (had to manually load gnome-panel, and desktop icons are missing)
[03:50] <gunny> IntuitiveNipple: and both internal external mic testedI think its a regression in the kernel/alsa drivers perhaps
[03:51] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: but no net connection (expected I assume)
[03:52] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend:   hmmm, that sounds like maybe a related DNS issue, what does /etc/resolv.conf show? If it shows an external DNS server then you may be able to explain the issue by virtue of the system trying to resolve the local PCs name via an external server which it can't reach, and therefore long time-outs occur as it retries
[03:52] <IntuitiveNipple> gunny: There was an issue some time back I found a workaround for, I'm just trying to locate it
[03:52] <CountX> yay beta works
[03:53] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: resolv.conf is as normal (supplied by my own DHCP server) although the laptop name is not in DNS on my local network - but then it never has been before either and it worked ok
[03:54] <brandon_> has anybody got system>preferences>font as an option in gutsy?
[03:54] <darrend> (sorry, to be clear, it points to a local DNS server)
[03:56] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: hmm.. after login to X, I restart NetworkMAnager from VT and switch back to X.  nm-applet is waiting for my password and then connects to home wireless AP
[03:57] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: So it might be somehow stuck waiting for password but you can't see the dialog?
[03:57] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: then I log out, try to login and back to original long waits
[03:57] <IntuitiveNipple> hmm
[03:57] <kevinO> if im running the tribe 5 cd, will i be updated to the beta automagically?
[03:57] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: so it does look like NetworkManager is very much part of the problem
[03:57] <CountX> kevinO, read the topic
[03:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Definitely sounds like a NetworkManager or network-manager-gnome issue of some sort
[03:58] <kevinO> countx, I did, and thats not what im asking
[03:58] <CountX> kevinO, whats the problem?
[03:59] <winbond> check it out, when i execute a start script for firefox from the terminal ./firefox it starts quickly and its ready to go, but when i start it from a shortcut on the desktop, it starts but there is a busy icon bouncing for another 30 seconds, whats the problem?
[03:59] <IntuitiveNipple> kevinO: The beta CD contains all updates to 2007-09-25/2 :)
[03:59] <kevinO> do i have to get the cd , or will I be updated automatically through the updates?
[03:59] <kevinO> I alredy have the tribe 5 cd installed
[03:59] <IntuitiveNipple> kevinO: If you apply updates then you'll be up-to-date
[04:00] <gunny> IntuitiveNipple: appears similiar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/144037 although my h/w is Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
[04:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144037 in ubuntu "mic and line in doesn't work on intel HDA G33 (ICH9)" [Undecided,New]
[04:00] <osmosis> I rebooted and I started in 640x480.  WTF ?
[04:00] <kevinO> IntuitiveNipple: the ones that come automatically, or do i have to do a manual update?
[04:00] <polorix> how do i initiate the 3D cube in gusty? like theres a key and botton place but it just sets them to disabled when i try to change them
[04:00] <scizzo-> starting to drive me crazy that I don't know how to tell xorg to use DPF-1 as standard screen instead of DPF-0
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> kevinO: The automatic updates
[04:01] <CountX> kevinO, dist-upgrade should do
[04:01] <kevinO> i just thought i would have got a bunch of updates today while i was gone, but there were only 3
[04:02] <brandon_> has anybody got system>preferences>font as an option in gutsy?
[04:03] <darrend> has the kernel freeze occurreed now for gutsy.. is 22-12 what will be released?
[04:03] <Xero> brandon_, it's supposed to all be in Appearance
[04:03] <CountX> Xero, sup
[04:03] <Xero> CountX, nothing.
[04:03] <gunny> darrend: hope not
[04:03] <brandon_> Xero: sorry, you're right
[04:04] <Xero> What's the difference in gksu and gksudo
[04:04] <darrend> gunny: no, Oct 4th is kernel freeze.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[04:04] <darrend> ;)
[04:05] <IntuitiveNipple> gunny: Finally found it! Check this out, see if it helps https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/134125/comments/6
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134125 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  microphone doesn't work after kernel and kernel-modules update" [Undecided,Fix released]
[04:06] <gunny> IntuitiveNipple: thks will check it out
[04:06] <CoasterMaster> Is the gusty beta include a liveCD?
[04:06] <CoasterMaster> *Does
[04:06] <polorix> Yes
[04:07] <CoasterMaster> Thanks, want to give it a try, but don't want to permanently install it
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> yes CoasterMaster
[04:09] <Xero> Why doesn't compiz work with screen grabbing screensavers like GFlux?
[04:09] <ggilbert> haha, today was the gutsy beta release? I'd wondered why there weren't many updates the last couple of days
[04:11] <user01> is there a way to figure out where a package puts its files?
[04:11] <user01> in the hierarcy?
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> user01:  yup...
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> dpkg -S <package name>
[04:12] <user01> nosrednaekim: thanks
[04:12] <user01> is there something wrong with the reg ubuntu room?
[04:13] <user01> channel i should say
[04:13] <Xero> Why doesn't compiz work with screen grabbing screensavers like GFlux?
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> IDK, I hang out in #kubuntu usually
[04:14] <VousDeux> okay, 32-bit didn't support my touch pad either
[04:15] <penguincentral> hi, can anyone help me out with gizmo.  I'm using 7.10alpha5
[04:15] <user01> nosrednaekim: grrr the packager moved the files all over the place it would make it a lot easier to follow the program instructions if they didnt do that
[04:15] <polorix> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 3D box to work?
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> thats the way linux works :)
[04:16] <osmosis> polorix: im on a fresh install, first boot res was fine, but second boot now im stuck in 640x480
[04:16] <Vuen> hey guys, why are the beta releases all dvds? has ubuntu dropped cd support?
[04:16] <osmosis> Vuen: i got the cd
[04:16] <user01> nosrednaekim: ill just download the tar so i know where the files are if i have to refer to them
[04:16] <polorix> osmosis: yeah i just fixed that
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> user01: ;)
[04:18] <wabiD> is there a way to replace text with sed that has slashes and blackslashes
[04:18] <Vuen> wabiD: yes, escape them
[04:18] <Vuen> \/ and //
[04:18] <wabiD> ?
[04:18] <Vuen> sorry, \/ and \\
[04:18] <wabiD> what
[04:18] <osmosis> too bad bullet proof x runs such a low resolution that I cant see the buttons on the graphics config app.
[04:18] <wabiD> holdup ill explain
[04:18] <RAOF> wabiD: Or use s_foo//_bar-baz__
[04:18] <Vuen> a backslash escapes something so it is not interpreted. so if you want to use a slash in a regular expression, escape it with a backslash
[04:18] <Vuen> i.e. \/ will recognize /
[04:19] <Vuen> and \\ will recognize \
[04:19] <user01> i think im going to have to reinstall gutsy when it gets stable. . . few things getting screwed up with all these updates...
[04:19] <wabiD> ok what is the easiest command to turn every instance of \ into / in an entire directory
[04:19] <wabiD> the extension is .m3u
[04:19] <Vuen> an alternative for forward slashes, as raof said, is simply to use a different character as a delimiter
[04:19] <wabiD> ive only been using linux for a week without any windows inbetween
[04:20] <Vuen> i'm confused, you're renaming files? then use rename, not sed
[04:20] <wabiD> so i can replace / witn >
[04:20] <wabiD> no
[04:20] <wabiD> im editing txt files
[04:20] <wabiD> they are playlists from windows
[04:20] <Vuen> ahh
[04:20] <Vuen> i see the problem now :)
[04:20] <wabiD> yea the problem is
[04:20] <wabiD> im playing the files from an xbox
[04:20] <wabiD> and i imported the files from my roommates computer to the xbox
[04:21] <wabiD> and the directory they are now is smb://* and they were in c:\
[04:21] <Vuen> then this would probably do the trick: sed -i 's_\\_/_g' *.m3u
[04:21] <wabiD> so i have to switch every slash in a shitload of files
[04:21] <Vuen> back up your files first though
[04:21] <polorix> Does anyone know why the key combinations for the advanced desktop effects settings..dont work?
[04:21] <IntuitiveNipple> find . -name '*.m3u' -exec sed -i -e 's/\\/\//g' {} \;
[04:21] <wabiD> i have a backup on the xbox
[04:21] <wabiD> polorix some of them do
[04:22] <wabiD> its a weird problem i cant fix
[04:22] <wabiD> winkey R/T/L dont work
[04:22] <wabiD> but winkey S does
[04:22] <wabiD> actually R works L/T/C dont
[04:22] <wabiD> vuen will that be recursive
[04:22] <wabiD> i have some of the files within a folder
[04:23] <Vuen> wabiD: nope. but IntuitiveNipple's would be :)
[04:23] <wabiD> i dont need to find
[04:23] <wabiD> they are all within my /playlists/ folder
[04:23] <wabiD> on my desktop
[04:23] <IntuitiveNipple> find will do a recursive search into subfolders
[04:23] <Vuen> wabiD:no, you do need find if they're in separate folders
[04:23] <wabiD> ok thanks
[04:23] <IntuitiveNipple> and -exec the sed command for each matching file
[04:24] <darrend> er.. I just did a dist-upgrade and now my wireless module appears to be missing! ("Module iwl4965 not found" when modprobing it
[04:24] <wabiD> so -name is the directory?
[04:24] <polorix> wabiD: well i cant get the rotating cube..i set it use ctrk+alt+z but nothing happens. and yes it's enabled
[04:24] <Vuen> backup your stuff first though wabiD
[04:24] <Vuen> wabiD: no, first you navigate into your playlists folder
[04:24] <wabiD> i have a backup on the xbox and the windows computer
[04:24] <darrend> anyone else using this driver?
[04:24] <Vuen> . is the directory
[04:24] <wabiD> what does -name do
[04:24] <Vuen> -name specifies a regex to match
[04:24] <Vuen> i.e. it only matches files that match *.m3u
[04:24] <wabiD> ok cool
[04:24] <wabiD> thats awesome, thanks a lot
[04:24] <user01> ooo download rate going between 6000 b/s and 15 kB/s im burning up the airwaves
[04:25] <IntuitiveNipple> wabi read it is: find <starting_directory> -name <match_expression> -exec <command_to_execute> ...
[04:25] <IntuitiveNipple> where "." means 'current directory'
[04:26] <user01> wow now at a steady 22 kB/s shutting down pidgin :)
[04:26] <user01> 3G please come soon
[04:27] <user01> still better than satellite i guess
[04:27] <wabiD> so . executes the current directory
[04:27] <wabiD> rather than /
[04:27] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: .... http://pastebin.intuitivenipple.net/77
[04:27] <user01> nosrednaekim: im sure its faster than 6000 b /s
[04:28] <IntuitiveNipple> wabiD: Yes; you could put '/home/username/Music' if you wanted to be absolute
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> user01:  :)
[04:28] <user01> im on dial-up too through a wireless card :)
[04:29] <user01> only paying probably 5 times more than dial up
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> heh
[04:30] <user01> they said 3G would come soon and it would be really fast :D
[04:30] <user01> :/
[04:30] <wabiD> ok now i have to replace c:/documents and settings/login/my documents/my music to smb://Alec:password@alec/music
[04:31] <wabiD> what slashes do i not need
[04:32] <wabiD> IntuitiveNipple, there are too many slashes in the command you gave me (im high and drunk so i cant comprehend /\\/\//
[04:33] <RAOF> \m/>.>\m/
[04:33] <IntuitiveNipple> wabiD: read it thus: regex separators 's/<find>/<replace/g' and then escape what you're looking for, and replacing: looking for \\ replae with \/
[04:34] <IntuitiveNipple> wabiD: Or do as Vuen showed and use 's_\\_\/_g' (using underscore instead of forward-slash as the regex separator
[04:34] <wabiD> ohh that makes way more sense now
[04:35] <wabiD> whatever i use first is what seperates the text
[04:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Reading regex's is an art ... I always add spaces in my mind to understand them
[04:35] <IntuitiveNipple> wabiD: Yes
[04:35] <IntuitiveNipple> The thing is to choose a separator *not* used in the search or replace strings
[04:37] <wabiD> so if i choose a seperator like IWILLNEVERUSETHIS it would work
[04:38] <IntuitiveNipple> um, no, a single character is all you get
[04:40] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: yes, I have same location for iwl4965.ko but it won't load
[04:40] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: can you do modinfo on it?
[04:40] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: in 2.6.22-10 the location of the .ko files is different
[04:41] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: no, "could not find module iwl4965"
[04:41] <Vuen> IntuitiveNipple: you don't need to escape the forward slash if it's not the separator
[04:41] <Vuen> 's_\\_/_g' should do
[04:42] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: Same location for 2.6.22-10 here
[04:42] <channel200> has anyone done a 7.10 beta installation on a Broadcom wifi machine?
[04:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Vuen: I just altered my previous example when showing the alternate separators
[04:42] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: Same location for 2.6.22-10 here
[04:43] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: try "sudo depmod -a"
[04:44] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: that driver is in /lib/modules/2.6.22-10/-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl4965.ko on my machine
[04:44] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: depmod -a had no effect
[04:45] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: $ modinfo iwl4965
[04:45] <IntuitiveNipple> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/origin/iwl4965.ko
[04:45] <darrend> yes - I just don't get that.  I get "module not found"
[04:46] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm, have you got the linux-ubuntu-modules installed for 22-12 ?
[04:46] <darrend> yes
[04:46] <CountX> anyone use vmware?
[04:46] <darrend> hence I have the file on disk
[04:46] <darrend> I also tried reinstalling it with no change
[04:47] <IntuitiveNipple> that is weird
[04:47] <darrend> mm
[04:47] <CountX> i cant seem to get vmware-player installed
[04:48] <darrend> I may try a fresh install from the beta cd.  I have stuff partitioned like /home and /opt to make it easy enough to do.  Its a bit late here now - way past bedtime :)
[04:48] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: thanks for the help
[04:48] <wabiD> IntuitiveNipple, you said
[04:48] <wabiD> 's/<find>/<replace/g'
[04:48] <IntuitiveNipple> good luck with it
[04:48] <wabiD> did you mean
[04:48] <wabiD> 's/<find>/<replace>/g'
[04:48] <IntuitiveNipple> wabiD: You got it
[04:48] <wabiD> that was the pot
[04:51] <CountX> does vmware just not work on gutsy?
[04:51] <CountX> why is it in the repos?
[04:54] <Vuen> CountX: vmware definitely does work on gutsy. do you have a wireless card?
[04:55] <CountX> Vuen, yes
[04:55] <CountX> Vuen, why should that matter
[04:55] <Vuen> what kind of wireless card?
[04:55] <CountX> bcm4311
[04:55] <Vuen> ah
[04:55] <CountX> and it works
[04:55] <Vuen> do you know whether it uses a binary blob?
[04:56] <CountX> binary blob?
[04:56] <Vuen> vmware doesn't like binary blob wireless cards
[04:56] <Vuen> i know it won't install on my atheros chipset wireless card
[04:56] <CountX> wtf is a binary blob
[04:56] <Vuen> nevermind.
[04:56] <CountX> i cant even install it
[04:56] <CountX> im not talking about running it
[04:57] <bur[n] er> can anyone help me with "hotkey-setup" getting installed? I get a lot of "failed to set scancode a4 to keycode 166" "KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument" with varying numbers
[04:57] <Vuen> CountX: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player/+bug/123379
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123379 in vmware-player "vmplayer config script not working :  vmnet not loaded (dup-of: 57957)" [Undecided,New]
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57957 in vmware-player "install/uninstall doesn't complete because of broken init-script" [Medium,Confirmed]
[04:57] <graft> i'm having weird issues with curses windows drawing REEEAALLY slowly (e.g. alsamixer) and sucking up tons of CPU cycles
[04:57] <graft> what could be causing this?
[04:58] <CountX> Vuen, in apt-get, when i try to install, i never get to download it
[04:59] <Vuen> hmm, that's wierd
[04:59] <Vuen> sorry, i don't know what's causing it
[04:59] <CountX> apt-get says it wont install modules
[05:00] <sin1> I'm having trouble finding the emerald themes package in synaptic!
[05:03] <bur[n] er> sin1: it's not there in gutsy
[05:04] <luckyone> can anyone help me figure out why my windows look so messed up?
[05:04] <bur[n] er> luckyone: screenshot?  or define "messed up"
[05:04] <luckyone> bur[n] er: http://www.jenniandjordan.com/files/Screenshot.png
[05:04] <luckyone> bur[n] er: http://www.jenniandjordan.com/files/ss1.png
[05:04] <luckyone> bur[n] er: http://www.jenniandjordan.com/files/ss2.png
[05:05] <bur[n] er> uhh.
[05:05] <luckyone> bur[n] er: last one, http://www.jenniandjordan.com/files/ss3.png
[05:05] <bur[n] er> luckyone: maybe it's your monitor, those look fine here
[05:05] <luckyone> bur[n] er: it is somewhat subtle I know, but look at the buttons on ss3... and the doc bar
[05:05] <luckyone> everything is very square and black and white
[05:06] <bur[n] er> oh oh oh, i know!
[05:06] <bur[n] er> you use KDE?
[05:06] <luckyone> I *used* kde, then I installed ubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <bur[n] er> it looks like QT has taken over where you gtk theme should be... can you try another gtk theme like clearlooks?
[05:06] <luckyone> yes!
[05:07] <bur[n] er> it could be leftover problem from using QT like theme as your gtk...   let me know if just switching to clearlooks fixes things
[05:07] <luckyone> yes, it does
[05:07] <bur[n] er> neato
[05:07] <bur[n] er> you can probably switch back to human again and be ok
[05:08] <luckyone> no, breaks
[05:08] <luckyone> bur[n] er: but excellent job!
[05:09] <bur[n] er> odd that human is b0rked, but I'd bet you can mess with the theme settings in kcontrol to fix it
[05:09] <luckyone> how do I make it use gnomish stuff again?
[05:09] <luckyone> I don't have kcontrol anymore
[05:09] <bur[n] er> i don't have kde on this one, so i can't tell you the exact screen :\
[05:09] <luckyone> I have tried to remove all kde stuffs
[05:10] <bur[n] er> can you remove the package "gtk-qt-engine" ?
[05:10] <luckyone> yes, should I?
[05:10] <bur[n] er> yep
[05:10] <bur[n] er> a --purge couldn't hurt too
[05:10] <bur[n] er> 'sudo apt-get remove --purge gtk-qt-engine'
[05:11] <bur[n] er> or just use clearlooks, it's cooler than human imo ;)
[05:12] <luckyone> ahh yeah, that fixed it!
[05:12] <luckyone> restarting X brb
[05:12] <luckyone> thanks
[05:12] <bur[n] er_> you're welcome!
[05:12] <luckyone> that was what I was looking for, this was very un-gtk
[05:13] <graft> gtk widgets aren't as pretty as qt widgets, in my estimation
[05:13] <GuyFromHell> so something most definately changed in the new gutsy X package? My CPU seems to never like to calm down anymore
[05:14] <graft> eh, depends on the style
[05:14] <graft> that can easily be adjusted
[05:14] <bur[n] er_> polyester and lipstick both suck ;)
[05:14] <graft> i like domino
[05:14] <bur[n] er_> i used to like baghira :)
[05:14] <graft> its one flaw is it doesn't render properly in firefox
[05:14] <cps1966> does kernel really read bios data or is that just bs
[05:15] <cps1966> seems like bs to me calls my storage drives sda and sdb my main drive sdc
[05:16] <bur[n] er_> cps1966: got a RAID setup?
[05:16] <cps1966> and it cant find sdc where root is
[05:16] <cps1966> nope
[05:16] <bur[n] er_> weird
[05:16] <cps1966> two raid cards but not set up as raid
[05:17] <bur[n] er_> make your main drive in the SATA-0 spot instead of SATA-2
[05:17] <darwin81> How can I get more advanced Compiz Fusion options? (Cube, Animations)
[05:17] <bur[n] er_> darwin81: alt+f2, ccsm
[05:17] <cps1966> partitioner sees it right on old gutsy install disk but beta 1 it doesn't
[05:18] <graft> darwin81: did you install ccsm?
[05:18] <bur[n] er_> luckyone: anytime
[05:18] <cps1966> tribe 5
[05:18] <cps1966> bur[n] er_:  i have 8 drives 4 pata and 4 sata
[05:18] <bur[n] er_> wow... i have no idea cps1966
[05:19] <darwin81> Yeah that's what I thought, but just making sure it was safe and there wasn't something else already installed
[05:19] <cps1966> how in the hell could it ever do sever at that rate
[05:19] <CountX> wtf is up with http://appdb.winehq.org/
[05:21] <cps1966> bur[n] er_:  1.9 TB total
[05:23] <bur[n] er_> cps1966: I used to be a pack rat too ;)
[05:24] <bur[n] er_> lol
[05:24] <cps1966> well i really have lots of old stuff from way back in 1998
[05:24] <bur[n] er_> additionally, it's the gnome endorsed theme as it's the default with a gnome install
[05:24] <bur[n] er_> cps1966: i'm just teasin ;)  secretly i'm jealous
[05:25] <bur[n] er_> cps1966: you use deluge?
[05:25] <cps1966> well it could be worse i have 320 scsi card i have put in yet
[05:26] <cps1966> and i have 14 drives for that
[05:26] <bur[n] er_> I pulled out all 'extra' drives to bring down power consumption and noise.  I went from a couple 80 gigs, a 160 gig, and a 120 gig to a single 250 sata
[05:27] <bur[n] er_> i'm saving 20 watts and a lot of decibels (a lot because i don't have a meter, but it is significant)
[05:28] <cps1966> well these are silent drives compared to old things
[05:29] <bur[n] er_> right on... i hate having to blast my music to drown out whining HDs
[05:30] <bur[n] er_> anyone using virtualbox 1.5 with gutsy and successfully accessing usb devices?  somehow my options for usb vanished
[05:30] <cps1966> funny live dvd boots fine and it see all my drives right but chokes on partitioner
[05:31] <bur[n] er_> cps1966: check launchpad?
[05:36] <hendrixski> is it possible to install the Gutsy Beta in xen?  Or does that only work on dapper like it says in one of the conf files?
[05:39] <cps1966> :launchpad
[05:39] <cps1966> !launchpad
[05:39] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[05:39] <CountX> how can i mount a folder to look like a cd?
[05:40] <hendrixski> CountX, what do you mean?  you want to fool your system that a folder is your CD drive?
[05:40] <CountX> hendrixski, sure
[05:40] <hendrixski> hhmmm
[05:40] <bur[n] er_> CountX: you could make that directory an iso and mount that iso
[05:40] <CountX> ok
[05:40] <CountX> how do i do that :)
[05:41] <hendrixski> well, in UNIX, everything's a file
[05:41] <hendrixski> so I imagine you can just mount it the same way you would a partition
[05:41] <bur[n] er_> never made an iso?  k3b maybe?   gnomebaker?  brasero?
[05:41] <CountX> cant i just mount it as a  partition?
[05:41] <CountX> like so it can go to a folder in /media?
[05:42] <bur[n] er_> i don't know if you can mount a folder in another folder
[05:42] <hendrixski> CountX, that's what I'm htinking... you probably want to check that the CD is unmounted then mount something as whatever the CD normally mounts as
[05:42] <bur[n] er_> i thought the mount command had to be on a device of sorts
[05:42] <hendrixski> unless bur[n] er_ is right... in which case, no
[05:42] <hendrixski> then that folder would have to be its own partition
[05:43] <CountX> ....nvm
[05:43] <hendrixski> soo... anybody know if it's possible to install the Gutsy Beta in xen?  Or does that only work on dapper like it says in one of the conf files?
[05:45] <bur[n] er_> CountX: places -> cd/dvd creator, drag your folder, write to disk, pick "file image" instead of your burner and make an .iso
[05:48] <CountX> bur[n] er_, ok
[05:49] <hendrixski> bur[n] er_, I've used vmware before, I'm looking to try something different
[05:49] <hendrixski> well.. I'll find out in a little bit
[05:50] <Centaur5> Does anybody know if PXE installs with Gutsy are broken cause I've tried everything and can't get it to work?
[05:50] <CountX> i cant get vmware to install
[05:51] <CountX> hendrixski, i had to use virtualbox
[05:52] <CountX> bur[n] er_, how would i go about mounting an iso
[05:54] <hendrixski> CountX, I've had good luck getting VMWare server to install but somet things in it just wouldn't work... like USB, and a lot of hardware
[05:54] <CountX> hendrixski, eh, who knows, its prolly my fault it wont install
[05:54] <IntuitiveNipple> kvm is working well
[05:55] <hendrixski> CountX, I've heard terrible things about VMware player... if that's what you've used, then I would recommend trying VMWare server
[05:56] <CountX> mount -o loop /.ISO /media/cd
[05:56] <CountX> that did it for me
[05:56] <tiger_> Hi all, Gutsy question, hopefully this is the right place ! Fn keys for brightness are not working while brightness applets do work. It seems something related to acpi_fakekey command. Any idea ?
[05:56] <CountX> now i just need a serial key for bf 2
[05:56] <hendrixski> hhhhmmm... htis is strange.... xen installed DAPPER
[05:56] <hendrixski> WTF?
[05:57] <sid> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:57] <sid> Are there no alternative cds for daily?
[05:58] <CountX> I (HEART) STARTREK
[05:58] <Hobbsee> sid: please see the topic
[05:58] <CountX> and tv-links.co.uk
[05:58] <Hobbsee> sid: they're on releases.ubuntu.com for the daily cds too
[05:58] <Hobbsee> (and the beta)
[05:59] <cps1966> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/daily/current/
[06:00] <Centaur5> tiger_: Is it a sony?
[06:00] <CountX> why dont login sounds work/.
[06:00] <tiger_> not it is hp ( dv6328 / amd64 )
[06:00] <Centaur5> Hmm...well you might want to file a bug that's what I had to do for my Sony.
[06:02] <CountX> how can i make my wallpapers cycle?
[06:03] <tiger_> Thats what I will do. But first, I wanted to be sure thats a bug ;). thanks
[06:03] <Centaur5> no prob
[06:05] <hendrixski> :-( this xen thing doesn't look like what I want at all
[06:06] <Hobbsee> hendrixski: you probably want virtualbox
[06:09] <hendrixski> Hobbsee, :-/ I probably do... but now I have all this random crap installed on my system because of xen
[06:10] <hendrixski> and I've been looking at this for 15 minutes now and I can't get it to do more than chroot
[06:12] <CountX> anyone get battlefield 2 working with wine?
[06:12] <CountX> and how do i open a cpkg!!???
[06:12] <Artemis3> tell me if bf1942 works ;)
[06:21] <RAdams> Why is my system showing up to date if I don't have the beta yet?
[06:21] <RAdams> Or, how do I upgrade to it from my alpha?
[06:21] <RAOF> RAdams: Because you do have the beta, which is just another snapshot?
[06:21] <RAdams> I thought it would just show in my update-manager
[06:22] <IntuitiveNipple> The beta is the alphas with all updates
[06:22] <RAdams> RAOF: But I haven't updated since last night
[06:22] <RAdams> RAOF: I mean yesterday afternoon, actually
[06:22] <RAOF> And there haven't been any updates since last night.
[06:22] <RAdams> oh
[06:22] <RAdams> ok
[06:22] <RAdams> >.>
[06:22] <RAdams> Defcon 3
[06:23] <IntuitiveNipple> but which ABI?
[06:23] <RAdams> now if I could just figure out why there's STILL a tan "default" background when I boot up...
[06:24] <RAdams> Any ideas? I changed my desktop background color, and my login background color
[06:24] <RAdams> but I still see the Ubuntu default background for a moment when booting
[06:24] <RAdams> X__X
[06:26] <CountX> why is the wine site down :(
[06:26] <CountX> nvm
[06:26] <CountX> its back up
[06:26] <bur[n] er_> RAdams: i think it's a bug, i get teh same thing... even after i change the color through login window and via desktop background
[06:27] <RAdams> bur[n] er_: hmm... wonder what would cause that...
[06:27] <hendrixski> OK... yeah, xen is gonna go.... anybody have to uninstall it yet?
[06:27] <bur[n] er_> i have no idea, but it happens on all my gutsy machines
[06:28] <bur[n] er_> it worked in feisty... stupid regressions
[06:28] <hendrixski> 'cause it installs kernel versions, and crap
[06:28] <hendrixski> are those safe to just apt-get remove?
[06:28] <RAdams> hendrixski: if you're not booting from them, then yes :o
[06:29] <hendrixski> RAdams, I won't be... do I have to reboot out of it to unininstall it though?
[06:29] <RAdams> hendrixski: would you take the engine out of a car while driving it on the freeway?
[06:30] <hendrixski> RAdams, ya know... that sounds like fun.... I gotta try it sometime
[06:30] <hendrixski> hhmm, I guess that's why I couldn't remove the low-latency kernel on my last computer :-/
[06:31] <hendrixski> RAdams, anything but a xen-source tshirt...It's like a toy for command-line junkies... if I wanted that I'd travel back in time to the 80's
[06:31] <RAdams> I wish all dark themes didn't suck in GTK
[06:32] <RAdams> hendrixski: sudo apt-get install emacs
[06:32] <RAdams> my one-step method for acquiring crippling mental disorders
[06:32] <RAdams> I should patent it, really
[06:33] <RAdams> "Paint fire on the screen" is the kind of important feature I demand from my user interfaces.
[06:34] <RAdams> brb
[06:38] <ether> please help! gutsy seriously messed up my sound
[06:38] <ether> my volume buttons now control my "headphone" volume
[06:38] <ether> and my "master" volume has dissappeared
[06:44] <kristjan_> I can't make kubuntu login screen make display user custom images, what's the matter?
[06:44] <AaronMT> Can I dist upgrade from 7.04 to download the beta?
[06:44] <_dan_> sure u can
[06:44] <ether> I just did
[06:44] <_dan_> wouldnt suggets it tho when u have to ask ;)
[06:44] <ether> but it messed up my sound
[06:45] <ether> and I had to hammer out bugs for an hour just to get it working properly
[06:45] <hendrixski> now... if I want to remove z package, and all of that pesky stuff that it did... is it enough to run apt-get remove --purge  and apt-get autoremove... or is there a smarter way to do that so that the --purge also gets those pesky thing?
[06:46] <ether> things like what?
[06:46] <hendrixski> ether, things like... if I remove ubuntu-xen-server... I want to make sure all the kernel mods that it made disappear as well
[06:47] <_dan_> how can i tell my gutsy desktp to *not* start compiz by default?
[06:47] <_dan_> disabling gl desktop wont do it
[06:47] <RAOF> _dan_: System->Preferences->Appearance->Effects->None
[06:47] <_dan_> thx just got it
[06:49] <hendrixski> ???  I guess I'll just cross my fingers and hope that autoremove does what I need :-(
[09:35] <Jamesinator> Help! Finished upgrading from Ubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 via update-manager, and booting through GDM failed. After I boot into a recovery console via GRUB it appears that all my devices from /dev are missing including my network card and the devices for my partitions
[09:35] <felice_> Hi: installed daily build dated 25sep, yesterday. Should I run a dist-upgrade?
[09:36] <nanonyme> if you wish to. i tend to do it everytime safe-upgrade has problems doing its stuff
[09:36] <Jamesinator> ls /dev/hd* returns blank, when I have partitions labeled from hdb1-hdb4, ifconfig returns blank and my /etc/networking/interfaces config file fails starting that my network card device ("ra0") doesn't exist
[09:38] <Jamesinator>  Considering it's 2:39am and I've been working on "a simple and safe Ubuntu update" for hours, /wrist seems like a good option at this point
[09:40] <Jamesinator> "Failure is not an option, it's bundled with the software"
[09:48] <Konstigt> upgrading to gutsy from feisty doesn't seem to work, is it perhaps so that the servers are overloaded? it almost seems like network problems. check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38885/
[09:48] <thor> nonyme: sorry got kicked out. nick was felice_. Thanks. I'll do run a dist-upgrade..
[09:51] <thor> french servers are faaaaaast
[09:51] <Konstigt> i got past that first file download now and the upgrade window started but it failed after a little while and I got this error: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[09:51] <Hobbsee> Konstigt: unknown - please file a bug about that (with apport)
[09:52] <Konstigt> Hobbsee: ok
[09:52] <Hobbsee> uh, that shouldnt even be attempting to work - that's feisty, not gutsy
[09:54] <wabiD> how do i refresh my icon cache
[09:54] <Jamesinator> I'm completely fsck'ed by the looks of it, since without my network device working I can't do ANYTHING useful on my bricked system
[09:54] <wabiD> cant you get the binary elsewhere and put it on a thumb drive
[09:54] <thor> Jamesinator: hard day, ain't it?
[09:55] <Jamesinator> thor: Your sarcasm in this troubling time is noted and will forever have a place in my heart
[09:55] <Jamesinator> wabiD: Not really, zero working USB ports and my shaky-at-best relationship between Ubuntu and my DVD drive seems to have broken up with the update
[09:56] <thor> Jamesinator: u kinng? I am not being sarcastic for I've got a whole series of troubles myself!
[09:56] <magnetron> which kernel version does gutsy use?
[09:56] <Jamesinator> thor: King? Not last time I checked.. .:P
[09:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: no devices, or not the ones you expected? Do you have /dev/sd* ?
[09:56] <wabiD> infred
[09:56] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: I'll run over there and check
[09:56] <Konstigt> Hobbsee: i'm not prompted to send a report with apport, can I force it or do I need to create the bug manually on launchpad?
[09:56] <thor> Jamesinator: kidding... even my spelling is poor, today
[09:57] <wabiD> missed an a there
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Konstigt: oh, i thought it crashed.
[09:57] <Konstigt> magnetron: 2.6.22-12-generic is my currently running kernel on a gutsy-machine
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Konstigt: you may have to do it manually
[09:57] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: You are a Godsend! I have sda1-6, let me just check to make sure they really are what I want
[09:57] <magnetron> tack, Konstigt
[09:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: The reason for that is, disk drives are now handled by libata which makes them pseudo-SCSI, even older PATA IDE drives that used to be on /dev/hd*
[09:58] <Konstigt> Hobbsee: update-manager doesn't crash, only child processes..
[09:58] <magnetron> Anyone knows if 2.6.23 will make it into Gutsy?
[09:58] <Hobbsee> Konstigt: i would have thought that it would still file the crash under update manager
[09:58] <Hobbsee> magnetron: for the last time anyone asks, no.
[09:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: And I'm guessing it didn't start because the /etc/fstab file uses /dev/hd?? instead of UUID=
[09:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: If sufficient 'stuff' has started in the recovery console, do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid and grab the UUIDs of the partitions and put them in /etc/fstab using nano, or some other editor
[09:59] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Yep, precisely. I just changed my fstab to use sdX and it worked perfectly. I'll do what you said about setting them up via UUID though
[10:00] <Jamesinator> Any ideas on the network device, then?
[10:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: ... let me scroll back :p
[10:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: ra0 ... what kind of chipset is that on?
[10:01] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Ralink. And yes, it has been a pain in the asterisk to get working at all.
[10:01] <RAOF> Hobbsee: You *know* that's not going to be the last time anyone asks :)
[10:01] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: Ahhh.. is that like the RT6x and RT7x chipset drivers?
[10:01] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Yes
[10:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: aha! ok... bear with me
[10:02] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah, i do.  perhaps i should make a factoid about it.
[10:02] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Yay! *group hugs*
[10:02] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Maybe.
[10:02] <riotkittie> ralink makes me a sad panda
[10:02] <Hobbsee> RAOF: actually, we had a beta factoid before that had "what's in ubuntu now is unlikely to change terribly much" - which we used often, for feisty
[10:02] <wabiD> IntuitiveNipple, how can i update my icon cache
[10:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: is it the RT73 do you know? (can you check the Feisty modules) ?
[10:03] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: I used to... let me see if I can figure it out
[10:03] <riotkittie> on the bright side, at least mine works out of the box with wpa2. albeit not for long.
[10:03] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Sounds like a winner again.
[10:03] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: or the PCI ID will help
[10:03] <riotkittie> 70000ms pings to google are fun.
[10:04] <wabiD> i dont have the steady hald or patience to redraw/paint all my icons
[10:04] <Hobbsee> RAOF: or just avoid all of userland :P
[10:04] <wabiD> hand rather
[10:04] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: And how would I find that out?
[10:05] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I don't have the attention span to do that :)
[10:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: what kind of WifI adapter is it? in a laptop/notebook  or a desktop?
[10:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: Either "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" or even possibly "pccarcctl ls" :)
[10:05] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Static card inside of a desktop tower
[10:05] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Ok, thanks
[10:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: lspci -nn I suspect then
[10:06] <Jamesinator> Ralink RT2500 Cardbus/mini-PCI
[10:06] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, cool... so that shows up with pccardctl ls then?
[10:07] <Jamesinator> I used lspci -nn
[10:07] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... no matter
[10:07] <IntuitiveNipple> tell me the PCI ID reported by pspci -nn then
[10:07] <IntuitiveNipple> (the numbers in [...]  at the end of the line)
[10:08] <Jamesinator> pspci isn't found
[10:08] <IntuitiveNipple> ell
[10:08] <IntuitiveNipple> not p
[10:08] <IntuitiveNipple> lspci -nn
[10:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm expecting to see something like [8086:4222]
[10:09] <Jamesinator> 1814:0201
[10:09] <IntuitiveNipple> thanks
[10:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: key place to look is http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[10:12] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Thanks, I'll see what I can do with that.
[10:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: Are you using 32-bit or 64-bit ?
[10:14] <wabiD> how come you cant take a screenshot with with a menu open
[10:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: the rt2x00 driver is in linux-ubuntu-modules, so it *should* have been isntalled
[10:14] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: 32
[10:14] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: I know, and I
[10:14] <Jamesinator> Whoopsies
[10:15] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: and I'm sure I still have a driver since I had it semi-working before, but after the Gutsy update it just disappeared
[10:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: what kernel are you using? (uname -a)
[10:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: try " modinfo rt2x00pci"
[10:18] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Ok, and I'll get back to you in a sec (sorry, I have to run across the house to get between this and the bricked box)
[10:18] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[10:18] <riotkittie> which is why i will never part with my crappy laptop
[10:20] <void^> rt2x00 hasn't been working for me for a couple of days with in the latest kernel, some missing symbols
[10:20] <Jamesinator> 2.6.22, I think it was, but the creepiest thing happened :O
[10:20] <IntuitiveNipple> void^: Thanks
[10:21] <IntuitiveNipple> 2.6.22-12 does seem to have made quite a few regressions
[10:21] <Jamesinator> I booted into graphical mode since you helped me fix my drives, and used gnome-network-manager to set up my (WPA) wireless connection
[10:21] <riotkittie> is 2x00 an all in one replacement for the other drivers?
[10:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: it's working now?
[10:21] <Jamesinator> It changed the /etc/network/interfaces to point to wlan0 instead of ra0. I got a heap of errors, but it still managed to bind with dhcp
[10:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: Good. NetworkManager is supposed to handle it all nicely
[10:21] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: I'm still trying to make sense of what it's doing at the moment
[10:22] <IntuitiveNipple> From a terminal, see what iwconfig reports
[10:22] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Supposed to. I hope it's picked up the pace on Ralink chipsets since I ended up having to removed it entirely and do a manual config when I first switched to Ubuntu
[10:22] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: I'm rebooting atm, I will in a sec
[10:23] <riotkittie> Jamesinator: its much better than it was in feisty
[10:23] <Hobbsee> Jamesinator: RAOF replied to your forums thread, btw
[10:23] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i think i'm insane
[10:23] <IntuitiveNipple> There's quite a lot of issues at the moment with wpa-supplicant and NetworkManager, and nm-applet
[10:23] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: they should have been fixed, actually
[10:24] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: with the downgrade, pre-beta
[10:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Hobbsee: still a few, unfortunately
[10:24] <riotkittie> good. nm-applet was driving me insane.
[10:24] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: there will always be a few, i suspect
[10:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Hobbsee: but not as bad as it was
[10:24] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Heh, really?
[10:24] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah - looking at the forums threads.
[10:25] <Jamesinator> Hobbsee: Thanks, I saw
[10:25] <Hobbsee> RAOF: compiz breaks, it's not ready.  yeah, no shit!  why do you think the last 2 releases havent had it in, cos they said it wasnt ready?
[10:25] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Heh.  Think you'll get a lot of "why isn't my KDE compiz-shiny?" :)
[10:25] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: According to iwconfig, it's semi-recognizing the device, but I still need to test it, just a sec
[10:25] <void^> riotkittie: rt2x00 is the new driver found at serialmonkey.com, rt2500 is the old driver based on ralink code. the new driver supports wpa_supplicant and works with nm-applet but it still has some issues.
[10:25] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> RAOF: oh, found a crappy dupe.
[10:27] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Creepy. It still has a heap of errors when it starts, but it managed to download some packages fresh.
[10:27] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Heh.  Bug 146210 :)
[10:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146210 in ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon beta: compiz-fusion maximize - the window jiggles" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146210
[10:27] <riotkittie> i thought so
[10:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: what kind of errors? from nm-applet, or in a log somewhere?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> RAOF: that wasnt the one i found.  but i still advocate LP making it harder to file bugs!
[10:27] <Hobbsee> make us like mozilla, dammit!
[10:27] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: From when I do sudo /etc/init.d/networking [re] start
[10:28] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i think https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/146205 qualifies as the crap bug of the day
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146205 in ubuntu "no reboot-shutdown icon in gusty (dup-of: 103401)" [Undecided,New]
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103401 in kdebase "Reboot-Restart Button with classic LogOut Dialog (doUbuntuLogout=0) doesn't work" [Undecided,Fix released]
[10:28] <Hobbsee> RAOF: uh, that's by design, isnt it?
[10:28] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: ahhh ok ... you ought not to need to do that as long as NetworkManager is running (sometimes it'll crash out) - do "ps -ef | grep NetworkManager" to see if it and it's support process, NetworkManagerDispatcher are running
[10:28] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yes.  Yes it is.
[10:29] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Oh, err, ok.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> RAOF: which is a part i always hated
[10:29] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Well, amazingly, you've solved my problems. :O
[10:29] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: Do you prefer chocolate chip or raisin?
[10:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: I bet you'll find more, but at least you're up adn running now
[10:29] <RAOF> Hobbsee: It's not enabled by default, actually.  They've deliberately turned on extra effects :)
[10:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: Phish food :p
[10:29] <riotkittie> get their address too, so we might tar and feather them
[10:29] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: No, seriously, I have the cookie sheet ready and the oven preheated
[10:29] <Hobbsee> RAOF: even better.
[10:30] <IntuitiveNipple> Jamesinator: cookies for breakfast? hmmmm
[10:30] <Hobbsee> RAOF: "this is by design.  you did this.  WONTFIX"
[10:30] <crdlb> RAOF, I think that might be the "Ignore Hints for Maximized Windows" problem
[10:30] <Jamesinator> IntuitiveNipple: I gave the last guy some PHP books when he fixed my problems, I think you get cookies this time. :D
[10:30] <IntuitiveNipple> Well I've got the coffee bubbling away behind me
[10:30] <RAOF> crdlb: Oh?   He left without even getting his cookies
[10:32] <Jamesinator> I wasn't joking, I was going to mail him some cookies
[10:32] <Jamesinator> Sheesh
[10:33] <crdlb> RAOF, if you maximize a gnome-terminal window, it maximizes to an exact character multiple (because ubuntu doesn't check ignore maximized hints)
[10:33] <crdlb> so there's a bit of a gap
[10:33] <crdlb> and if you try to move the window, it will move a bit
[10:33] <darrend> why is exim a dependency of logwatch??  Surely only cron should be..
[10:33] <newguy> hi guys, i just installed the beta version of gutsy, and now GRUB doesn't show up, so i can't boot to windows anymore
[10:34] <RAOF> crdlb: Yep, noticed that.  That's not going to affect firefox though, is it?
[10:34] <newguy> i used the alternate cd, by the way, for installation
[10:34] <crdlb> RAOF, I don't think so, but I'm pretty sure that's the bug
[10:35] <riotkittie> grub and the alt cds dont mix for me at all.
[10:35] <newguy> is there anything i can do about it?
[10:35] <newguy> can it be repaired?
[10:35] <darrend> s'ok, nm.  If I install ssmtp the exim dep goes away
[10:36] <RAOF> darrend: It probably wants to have a mailer so that it can email logs around.  Any of the mailer programs should work.
[10:36] <darrend> yes, as noted.  thanks RAOF
[10:37] <as> not a good name I hav chosen.. everytim someone says as I think they write to me.. :) anyway..urm is there a 64bit verdsion of the gutsy beta?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> no, only a 32bit, and 128 bit version of ubuntu.
[10:39] <as> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/ why are you suddenly using dvd? :O
[10:39] <Hobbsee> as: we're not.  please read the /topic before entry
[10:39] <Hobbsee> er, before speaking
[10:41] <as> Hobbsee: thankyou..may I ask what page I stumbled into? : o
[10:41] <Hobbsee> as: you found the ports section - as in, the unofficially supported ones.
[10:41] <Hobbsee> as: the officially supported arches are on r.u.c
[10:41] <Hobbsee> as: (the officially supported ones have moved, yes)
[10:42] <as> okok
[10:42] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it's time for bug whack-a-mole
[11:03] <panosru> Hi, why when i start ubuntu Gutsy, compiz not start automatically
[11:07] <jussi01> panosru: #ubuntu-effects
[11:07] <RAOF> panosru: Generally because we have determined that your card/driver combination is not capable of running compiz, or has serious bugs.
[11:09] <panosru> i installed them through restricted manager
[11:09] <RAOF> panosru: What drivers?
[11:10] <panosru> OpenGL version string: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.19
[11:12] <wabiD> can i use virtualbox to boot an ntfs partition
[11:13] <ob3r0n>  sorry. help me http://www.internetmap.info/cgi-bin/go.cgi?site_id=39649
[11:14] <mrtimdog> Hi, is it possible to show the list of files installed by a package via aptitude?
[11:14] <RAOF> mrtimdog: "dpkg --listfiles packagename"
[11:15] <RAOF> Short options are for people not using zsh
[11:16] <mrtimdog> Thanks, I know how to it with dpkg. Was just wondering is there was a way within aptitude itself.
[11:19] <cps1966> how i the heck am i supposed to install this thing if it dont see my drives in the correct order
[11:21] <cps1966> it wants to stick sata drives in front of pata drives
[11:21] <cps1966> duh
[11:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Are you on about /etc/fstab entries being re-ordered?
[11:22] <cps1966> looks like it has to go goodbye ubuntu
[11:32] <delight> hi, I upgraded to gutsy beta1 from feisty and even created a new xorg.conf with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ... i had uninstalled on purpose the nvidia driver and installed the new drivers with the restricted-manager ... now I got nvidia-glx-new running for my nvidia 6200 ... but when i start the compiz-thing it comes up without window-decoration (borders) ...
[11:32] <delight> even before the procedure with the X11-Server i had the same effects, does someone know if there is problems with compiz/nvidia/aiglx in gutsy-beta ?
[11:33] <delight> or does someone know how to make the window-decoration appear ?
[11:34] <IntuitiveNipple> delight: Do you have a System > Preferences > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings?
[11:36] <unggnu> is it possible that there is a bluetooth package missing since applet is working bug I can't receive files
[11:36] <DanaG> wow, that guy cps1966 was impatient.
[11:36] <unggnu> *but
[11:36] <DanaG> Never heard of UUIDs.
[11:36] <DanaG> Or /dev/disk/by-id
[11:36] <DanaG> s/guy/person/
[11:36] <mrtimdog> Anyone know a way of passing command line arguments to an gnome applet? I'm trying to get gnome-voice-control to work but need to tell it where to find the acoustic model.
[11:36] <delight> IntuitiveNipple: yes i got that too
[11:36] <IntuitiveNipple> unggnu: gnome-obex-server
[11:36] <delight> its ccsm
[11:37] <unggnu> IntuitiveNipple, Why this one isn't integrated? It is a little bit confusing.
[11:37] <mrtimdog> Is there an option in the bonobo server file to pass the arg?
[11:37] <IntuitiveNipple> delight: yes.... and is Effects > "Window Decoration" enabled?
[11:37] <delight> IntuitiveNipple: yes
[11:37] <IntuitiveNipple> delight: hmmm!
[11:38] <delight> :)
[11:38] <Ng> how come traceroute has been refusing to upgrade in gutsy for a while now?
[11:38] <IntuitiveNipple> delight: I had that happen during the early alphas but haven't seen it recently. What video card?
[11:38] <delight> nvidia 6200 128Mb
[11:38] <Whoopie> hi, anybody using uswsusp? because I re-added usplash support to it and need some testers. the patch is in bug 109151.
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109151
[11:39] <delight> IntuitiveNipple: can you post you xorg.conf so i can compare with mine ? (alternatively i would post mine)
[11:41] <IntuitiveNipple> delight: I remember it was caused for me by leftover compiz settings from Feisty in gconf. I removed the ~/gconf/apps/compiz directory and it solved it
[11:41] <IntuitiveNipple> delight: that should be ~/.gconf/apps/compiz
[11:41] <delight> hmmm ok ... i'll try that
[11:45] <matte_> hi there
[12:10] <penguincentral> does anyone know how to record television in ubuntu 7.10alpha5?
[12:15] <savvas> penguincentral: the beta is out
[12:15] <Eq|work> and if he's using the updates he's already running it.
[12:15] <savvas> yup :)
[12:16] <savvas> hm.. the release in sysinfo says "lenny/sid"
[12:19] <penguincentral> savvas: is it? thanks for telling me.  do you download it through update manager?
[12:19] <savvas> penguincentral: if you already have gutsy gibbon and you update regularly, you already have it
[12:20] <penguincentral> savvas: i'm checking for updates at the moment.  i haven't done one today
[12:20] <savvas> Eq|work: do you have any idea where the release name is stored for sysinfo to retrieve it?
[12:25] <penguincentral> savvas: do you know how to find out which build of ubuntu I am using?
[12:26] <savvas> build?
[12:26] <savvas> you mean if it's i386 or amd64?
[12:27] <savvas> or sudo apt-get install sysinfo and then applications > system tools > sysinfo :)
[12:28] <penguincentral> savvas: sorry, i mean version of gutsy
[12:29] <DanaG> Ooh, these inversion tests are cool, but have an epilepsy warning: http://www.techmind.org/lcd/
[12:29] <cps1966> anyone know why feisty and gutsy both screw up my drive order
[12:29] <defcon_> im very disapointed in gutsy's wireless support
[12:29] <defcon_> rt73 still dont work
[12:29] <defcon_> i need to compile my own drivers
[12:30] <scizzo-> morning all
[12:30] <defcon_> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Flinville%2Fwireless-dev.git&a=search&h=rt2x00&st=commit&s=rt73 <-- why cant ubuntu use the updated driver because the old ones are flawed?
[12:30] <DanaG> Or use wobbly or water over the plain pixel-dot inversion one.
[12:32] <cps1966> i have two sata controlers and gutsy puts one in front of everything else and it shouldn't
[12:32] <scizzo-> defcon_: is that for the 2.6.23 kernel?
[12:32] <DanaG> Oh, do you have two different types of hard drives?
[12:33] <cps1966> bios is set for first drive to be pata
[12:33] <DanaG> If so, you can use /dev/disk/by-id instead of /dev/sda and such.
[12:33] <DanaG> In fstab, I mean.
[12:33] <DanaG> UUIDs are intended for that very thing -- even if drives move, the system will be unaffected.
[12:33] <cps1966> try that during install
[12:34] <cps1966> it cant even boot to drive after install
[12:34] <DanaG> Odd.
[12:35] <cps1966> feisty stalls on dvdr drive and gutsy stalls on my last drive sata
[12:35] <cps1966> i have 8 total
[12:35] <DanaG> Is it a SATA DVD drive?
[12:35] <DanaG> That may be an issue.
[12:36] <cps1966> nope pata
[12:36] <DanaG> Hmm, what IDE controller?
[12:36] <cps1966> i have 3 hdds and vdv on pata and 4 satas on two controllers
[12:37] <cps1966> i have promise last one and intel first
[12:38] <cps1966> boot drive order goes dvd the pata 3 drives then sata intel then promise sata
[12:38] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't really dealt with multiple IDE controllers in a while, so I don't know how to help.
[12:38] <penguincentral> does anyone know how to find out what version of gutsy is installed on my computer?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> !snapshot
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snapshot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <Hobbsee> !beta
[12:39] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[12:39] <Hobbsee> !tribe
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tribe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <Hobbsee> gah.  waht is it?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: if you've done all updates, the latest one.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Pici: which was your factoid?
[12:41] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: tribe is word in the ubuntu world used to describe an alpha release, herd has been used as well.  Is that right others?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: yes.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> !snapshot
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snapshot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <Hobbsee> darn.
[12:42] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: but we used to have a factoid about moving targets and snapshots, and about keepign on upgrading.
[12:42] <scizzo-> penguincentral: often when it releases its alpha -> beta -> rcX -> rcX -> release
[12:42] <Hobbsee> which would make you see why your question was pointless.
[12:45] <Xemanth> anybody else having huge crashes with all at applications ? kubuntu gutsy
[12:45] <Xemanth> "all at applications" <- all qt applications
[12:47] <scizzo-> someone go make me some coffee... :P
[12:48] <Xemanth> oooh Gutsy Beta out
[12:49] <penguincentral> savvas: i only got three updates and these are sun-java6* updates
[12:49] <kingrayray> hey everybody
[12:49] <penguincentral> hi kingrayray
[12:50] <kingrayray> isn't there a command do remove a package and *all* it's dependencies? (i'm trying to entirely nuke kubuntu-desktop and replace it with ubuntu-desktop)
[12:50] <kingrayray> can't find much in the apt manpage
[12:50] <penguincentral> beats me kingrayray
[12:50] <scizzo-> ooo...nice linux driver project is up and running now...
[12:50] <kingrayray> hmmmm
[12:52] <Hobbsee> kingrayray: remove libqt3-mt
[12:52] <kingrayray> will everything go? lol
[12:52] <kingrayray> the ultimate dependency ;D
[12:52] <kingrayray> actually im gonna go ahead and remove libqt3*
[12:52] <cps1966> Hobbsee:  why dont this thing read bios like it says it does
[12:53] <Hobbsee> cps1966: ENOCONTEXT.
[12:53] <Hobbsee> cps1966: my psychic pony ran away.
[12:53] <cps1966> Hobbsee:  if it did it would see boot drive order
[12:53] <Hobbsee> no idea, i dont know everything.
[12:54] <cps1966> funny mandriva dont have that problem
[12:54] <cps1966> cooker that is
[12:55] <cps1966> i think it lies just to impress ppl
[12:55] <cps1966> kinda like bush
[01:03] <Jester45> i installed a cli ubuntu and then apted xubuntu-desktop
[01:03] <Jester45> should this be the same thing as the xubuntu alt installer
[01:04] <Jester45> it seems like it has a lot of gnome stuff in it right now
[01:05] <cps1966> Hobbsee:  i se this problem has existed for a long time in ubuntu
[01:06] <cps1966> all the way back to dapper
[01:06] <scizzo-> Jester45: gnome stuff?
[01:06] <scizzo-> Jester45: like what=
[01:09] <Jester45> system moniter libgnomeprint file-roller
[01:09] <Jester45> gnome-screensaver
[01:10] <AnRkey> does anyone know how to get rdesktop to allow copy and paste from host to client and back again?
[01:10] <Jester45> a lots of gnome libs
[01:11] <Jester45> i know there was some before but not as much now
[01:11] <Jester45> i might just have to go back to win2k or a diffrent distro
[01:12] <Eq|work> AnRkey : normally it does that by default.. if it isn't, try tsclient
[01:12] <AnRkey> i am using tsclient... is it not a wrapper for rdesktop?
[01:13] <AnRkey> hmmm
[01:13] <AnRkey> ok i guess not
[01:13] <Pici> Hobbsee: !final
[01:13] <AnRkey> rdesktop works but tsclient does not
[01:14] <AnRkey> is this a bug with the current tsclient?
[01:14] <Eq|work> no, they're different programs
[01:14] <AnRkey> or am i being a phool
[01:14] <Eq|work> odd, i can't say i've come across that
[01:14] <Eq|work> but then i'm using tsclient on debian/sid
[01:14] <AnRkey> playing with it now
[01:14] <AnRkey> brb
[01:15] <Ng> yes, tsclient is just an interface to call rdesktop
[01:15] <Eq|work> err. no it isn't
[01:15] <Eq|work> it's a separate program..
[01:15] <Eq|work> or then again
[01:15] <AnRkey> yeah i think its a seperate prog
[01:15] <Eq|work> hm.. so why does it behave so drastically differently..
[01:16] <Eq|work> AnRkey : it depends on rdesktop
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Pici: ah, thx
[01:16] <AnRkey> checking the ps -A listing now
[01:16] <AnRkey> hmm
[01:17] <Ng> Eq|work: what I said == "it's a separate program" :)
[01:17] <BlueParrot> hi all, assuming the upgrade to the Beta was successful and so on, should I bother reporting it somewhere ?
[01:18] <Eq|work> Ng : i didn't think it used rdesktop at all
[01:18] <Ng> it does
[01:18] <BlueParrot> good work btw, it is rather impressive to be able to upgrade to a new major ( beta ) version of the OS without losing your browser session :P
[01:18] <Hobbsee> BlueParrot: probably not - we tend to get reports on how it doesnt work
[01:18] <Hobbsee> BlueParrot: glad to see it works, though!  :)
[01:18] <Ng> and rdesktop doesn't provide an RDP library for it to use instead
[01:18] <BlueParrot> Hobbsee: I don't think I have ever had such a smooth upgrade before
[01:19] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[01:19] <BlueParrot> I lost internet connectivity for the 2 minutes it took me to reboot, and still had my browser session function afterwards
[01:20] <BlueParrot> my sister was having trouble for hours with a fresh Vista install :P
[01:20] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:20] <BlueParrot> I'm not gloating or anything ... :P
[01:20] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:20] <AnRkey> Eq|work, ok it is just a wrapper
[01:20] <Eq|work> Ng : so i saw after looking into it
[01:20] <AnRkey> there is a process for rdesktop while i am connected to the server and it's gone when i close the connection
[01:21] <Eq|work> BlueParrot : it's her own fault for using fista :P
[01:21] <AnRkey> i can't see an option in rdesktop's --help for clipboard or anything similar...
[01:22] <BlueParrot> Eq|work: well she is really rather computer illiterate and refuses to even give ubuntu a try : (
[01:22] <Eq|work> BlueParrot : lol. especially as she'd probably find it easier to use..
[01:22] <BlueParrot> without doubt
[01:23] <BlueParrot> ok wtf... how come gutsy uses LESS memory ?
[01:23] <BlueParrot> did they fix firefox or something :P
[01:23] <jussi01> lol
[01:24] <Eq|work> heh
[01:24] <Eq|work> less useless crap running? :P
[01:24] <Eq|work> i'm still hoping that my sound will get sorted before gutsy final.. :P
[01:24] <BlueParrot> hmm, I think I found a bug
[01:24] <Eq|work> as once it's working in linux i have a chance of making it work in osx...
[01:25] <BlueParrot> my mosue cursor appears to be slightly larger in GTK applications...
[01:25] <AnRkey> Eq|work, i found the problem. TSClient does not default to rdp5, it uses rdp4. When I switched to rdp5 instead copy and paste worked fine.
[01:25] <ConstyXIV> is there a reason that gutsy doesn't seem to have a splash screen+
[01:25] <ConstyXIV> ?
[01:25] <BlueParrot> ConstyXIV: it did for me... so I'm guessing something got "funny" at your end ...
[01:26] <ConstyXIV> yeah, i've got no splash and no startup noises.  (coming from a clean tribe5 install)
[01:27] <Eq|work> AnRkey : ah.. i think i use rdp5 normally anyway..
[01:27] <Hobbsee> BlueParrot: [21:25]  <mvo> Hobbsee: yeah, I'm very happy about this. I usually get the bad upgrade reports as bugs, so every one that worked fine warms my heart :)
[01:27] <Eq|work> waiting for v6 support ;P
[01:27] <Eq|work> (rdesktop supports it afaik)
[01:27] <cps1966> turn off that silent crap in /boot/grub/menu.list
[01:27] <AnRkey> what are rdp6's pros?
[01:28] <Eq|work> supports sound redirection for one..
[01:28] <Eq|work> also works better with full colour
[01:28] <AnRkey> Eq|work, rdp5 should be default, EU's will get frustrated if copy and paste does not work
[01:29] <Eq|work> file a bug against tsclient? (upstream bug, not ubuntu)
[01:29] <BlueParrot> Hobbsee: nice to know
[01:29] <AnRkey> well we could fix it downstream for gutsy's release
[01:29] <AnRkey> i will report it upstream to though
[01:30] <Eq|work> worth trying to persuade upstream to sort it imo
[01:33] <ConstyXIV> does azureus crash after start for anyone else?
[01:36] <savvas> i wonder why there isn't a 64bit plugin for firefox for java, when there is a 64bit java
[01:36] <savvas> or am i wrong?
[01:36] <void^> ConstyXIV: it does for a lot of people who use ubuntu's azureus package. it should run fine with the official tarball from azureus.sf.net
[01:37] <Ng> savvas: sun don't ship a 64bit firefox plugin in their 64bit JVM
[01:37] <savvas> Ng: i know.. but why?
[01:38] <Ng> savvas: a good question, and one only sun can answer (and haven't answered, for quite a few years, aiui)
[01:39] <cps1966> because of micro shaft
[01:39] <savvas> what? don't tell me they have a patent for the "plugin" name :)
[01:40] <penguincentral> savvas: that
[01:40] <penguincentral> is unbelievable
[01:40] <cps1966> yeah they clain everyones work but their own like vista
[01:40] <savvas> I wonder what they use in solaris as an internet browser
[01:41] <cps1966> slowarse
[01:42] <ConstyXIV> savvas: either mozilla or firefox
[01:42] <savvas> hm.. they'll be hearing it from me, thanks for the info
[01:42] <cps1966> dilo would be faster in solaris
[01:44] <scizzo-> I am ecxited about the new firefox release really
[01:44] <ConstyXIV> what's new about it?
[01:45] <scizzo-> well a lot
[01:46] <scizzo-> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3
[01:47] <Eq|work> it's still a fair way off though
[01:48] <Pici> !info firefox-granparadiso
[01:48] <ubotu> firefox-granparadiso: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu6 (gutsy), package size 9717 kB, installed size 27396 kB
[01:48] <cps1966> hey opensolaris would run on this box
[01:50] <scizzo-> Pici: yes its in the archive at the moment but its ummmm...unstable to really be firefox... :D
[01:50] <Pici> scizzo-: Oh, I know :)  Just pointing it out since it was being talked out.
[01:50] <scizzo-> Pici: yeah I have it installed
[01:51] <scizzo-> Pici: tried it out....
[01:52] <scizzo-> Pici: its a bit faster then firefox 2 though...but might be because it has no plugins at all
[01:53] <Pici> Its faster, seems a bit more lightweight, but isnt stable.
[01:53] <scizzo-> Pici: yep
[01:53] <scizzo-> Pici: however I guess it has to do with gecko also
[01:54] <scizzo-> Pici: since gecko is the engine rendering the page
[01:54] <Pici> scizzo-: right.
[01:54] <ConstyXIV> so you mean it's back to firebird 0.7?
[01:54] <ConstyXIV> :)
[01:54] <clarkey> hey quick question I installed gusty this arvo and firefox seems to have a bug where the text is really small is there a fix for that?
[01:56] <kingrayray> hmmm
[01:56] <kingrayray> whatever happened to heliodor?
[01:56] <kingrayray> is it built into compiz now?
[01:57] <scizzo-> clarkey: you mean the text as standard is small?
[02:00] <kingrayray> I don't want to use emerald for my window borders with compiz, i want to use my metacity themes. but i don't know how. is there a tray icon app i can install to manage that?
[02:00] <IdleOne> !info heliodor
[02:00] <ubotu> Package heliodor does not exist in gutsy
[02:00] <kingrayray> see
[02:00] <kingrayray> it's gone..
[02:00] <kingrayray> o.0
[02:00] <IdleOne> it's in feisty
[02:00] <IdleOne> !info heliodor feisty
[02:00] <ubotu> heliodor: Heliodor window decorator and libraries for Beryl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 164 kB
[02:00] <kingrayray> i realize that, but i'm wondering where it went? i just reinstalled the other day and now i can't have it :(
[02:01] <ConstyXIV> kingrayray: it should by default
[02:01] <Pici> What does heliodor do?
[02:01] <kingrayray> well i switched from kubuntu-desktop to ubuntu-desktop so i'm assuming i am missing a package or something
[02:01] <ConstyXIV> kingrayray: use metacity themes that is
[02:01] <ConstyXIV> kingrayray: i believe it's called gtk-window-decorator
[02:01] <kingrayray> that's what it says it's using, but it just looks like the window borders from waaay back in teh baby stages of compiz
[02:02] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/question.png <-
[02:02] <kingrayray> its not using metacity.
[02:02] <kingrayray> ahh but it can accept metacity themes as a commandline option o.0
[02:03] <kingrayray> weird
[02:03] <Pici> kingrayray: What happens when you change your metacity themes though?
[02:03] <kingrayray> absolutely nothing
[02:03] <Pici> I'm using whatever the default options are and it uses my metacity themes.
[02:03] <kingrayray> well i'm not running from a fresh install, there are some quirks to my setup
[02:03] <kingrayray> which is why i'm asking
[02:03] <kingrayray> :)
[02:04] <ConstyXIV> kingrayray: try running gtk-window-decorator --sync --replace
[02:04] <ConstyXIV> in a console
[02:04] <kingrayray> nope
[02:05] <ConstyXIV> kingrayray: does it even run?
[02:05] <kingrayray> yeah
[02:05] <kingrayray> its running right now. just not using metacity themes
[02:05] <kingrayray> and it ignores me when i tell it a specific theme to use, too.
[02:06] <kingrayray> i'm going to try something, brb.
[02:07] <kingrayray> noope
[02:07] <kingrayray> hmm
[02:07] <kingrayray> hehe interesting situation i've got here
[02:08] <kingrayray> im gonna make a new user on my box and see if it gets it
[02:10] <kingrayray> ok, it has to be a configuration issue of some sort
[02:10] <kingrayray> a default user gets it properly
[02:11] <ConstyXIV> i'd say just nuke your . folders if you don't have any special configurations set up
[02:11] <kingrayray> yeah that's what i'm doing right now
[02:11] <kingrayray> hehe
[02:11] <kingrayray> well, nuking specifically ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-compiz-preferences
[02:11] <kingrayray> i'm sure that is where my problem lies
[02:15] <kingrayray> ok, brb. nuked a buncha stuff :D
[02:19] <clarkey> scizzo yeah the text on web pages and in the UI is quite small
[02:19] <clarkey> sry for the slow reply
[02:20] <gleblanc> Is there an application to configure the bootloader?
[02:20] <DBO> I am getting the famous TTY error, my old kernel from feisty works fine, any advice?
[02:21] <scizzo-> clarkey: well that should be set by the standard theme
[02:22] <hollandlucas> hey
[02:22] <hollandlucas> does the delicious plugin for deskbar work for you guys
[02:24] <scizzo-> hollandlucas: hammana hubbidi what plugin?
[02:24] <hollandlucas> the del.icio.us plugin for deskbar (both are installed by default)
[02:24] <hollandlucas> del.icio.us = a social bookmarking site
[02:24] <kingrayray> and all is well
[02:25] <clarkey> yea thats the problem it doesnt seem to be setting it
[02:26] <clarkey> scizzo  yea thats the problem it doesnt seem to be setting it
[02:26] <hollandlucas> so it'll be fixed by the time it's released
[02:27] <scizzo-> clarkey: hmmm
[02:27] <scizzo-> clarkey: never used it
[02:28] <clarkey> what firefox?
[02:28] <scizzo-> clarkey: firefox yes
[02:28] <scizzo-> clarkey: but not that plugin
[02:29] <buz> can anybody use youtube in konqueror on 7.10beta?
[02:29] <buz> according to kubuntu's release announcement, flash in konqui should be fixed but i'm just told to check JS and Flash install when i goto youtube
[02:30] <scizzo-> buz: and you are sure it is installed?
[02:31] <scizzo-> buz: dpkg -l | grep flash
[02:31] <scizzo-> buz: in a terminal
[02:31] <buz> scizzo-: it works in firefox
[02:31] <buz> ii  flashplugin-nonfree                        <IP_ADDRESS>.0ubuntu11                   Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[02:31] <scizzo-> buz: hmmm is konquerer reading from another plugin list then?
[02:31] <buz> could be
[02:32] <buz> i never quite understood how konqui manages plugins
[02:32] <clarkey> scizzo are you refering to the ubufox plugin?
[02:33] <scizzo-> clarkey: ? for the deli stuff? I don't know....I mean I have never used deli that way....
[02:33] <scizzo-> buz: dpkg -l | grep nsplugins
[02:33] <buz> konqui needs /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ in its plugin path
[02:33] <reya276> morning
[02:33] <clarkey> scizzo sry im not quite up with the lingo .... deli?
[02:34] <buz> it now finds flash but wont use it
[02:34] <reya276> what is the terminal command for the gutsy upgrade, right now I'm on feisty?
[02:35] <buz> konqueror-nsplugins is also installed
[02:35] <scizzo-> reya276: well its still beta..you are aware of that?
[02:35] <reya276> yes
[02:36] <scizzo-> reya276: and it might not work 100% just yet
[02:36] <scizzo-> reya276: you can run: update-manager -c -d
[02:36] <Pici> !beta | reya276 please read the release notes for upgrade intructions/caveats
[02:36] <ubotu> reya276 please read the release notes for upgrade intructions/caveats: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[02:36] <scizzo-> reya276: but you really really need to be aware that it is still development
[02:36] <scizzo-> buz: strange......I am not sure then....sounds like it is not reading the installed plugins
[02:37] <buz> mhh
[02:37] <scizzo-> buz: I am not running kubuntu myself.....maybe check if you can get some understanding how it reads the plugins from kubuntu channel?
[02:37] <buz> grrr for some reason enable plugins flobally was not active
[02:37] <scizzo-> buz: does about:plugins work if you type that into the search field?
[02:38] <buz> yeah but its empty until you check enable plugins globally :)
[02:38] <scizzo-> buz: if you type: about:plugins in firefox url feild then you can see the things that are loaded by firefox
[02:38] <buz> now it suddenly shows a lot of plugins ;)
[02:38] <reya276> scizzo-: yes I am I had to do it at home last night as my wacom tablet was not being recognized. But how bad are the bugs? come on Feisty had lots of them too so it's all the same
[02:39] <scizzo-> reya276: well its beta...and I am not a developer so I am not 100% sure
[02:39] <buz> well thanks anyway
[02:39] <reya276> it's final release date is what Oct 18th
[02:39] <ReL1K> where to i post bugs at?
[02:39] <buz> reya276: unless you have certain sound cards that have broken drivers it shouldnt be that bad
[02:39] <buz> but proceed on your own risk of course
[02:39] <scizzo-> ReL1K: launchpad
[02:40] <scizzo-> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[02:40] <reya276> scizzo-:I'm aware of it, I have no choice is either upgrade or I can't use my tablet which I need for work
[02:40] <scizzo-> reya276: well then you can test to use the CD that is out?
[02:40] <scizzo-> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta
[02:41] <reya276> buz: sound that is the last thing I'm worried about
[02:41] <reya276> scizzo-: besides, what software out there nowadays is not beta?
[02:41] <scizzo-> reya276: hehe
[02:42] <Frafra> hi
[02:42] <Frafra> i'm using gutsy on a 386 pc with an ati radeon 9200pro
[02:42] <kingrayray> a 386?
[02:42] <Frafra> how to enable proprietary driver?
[02:42] <Frafra> 386 compatible :D
[02:42] <kingrayray> oh
[02:42] <Frafra> k7
[02:42] <kingrayray> lmfao
[02:42] <Frafra> eheh
[02:42] <kingrayray> i was about to ask you if you were a masochist :)
[02:43] <kingrayray> unfortunately i dont know anything about ati
[02:43] <Frafra> I've installed fglrx-driver, xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:43] <kingrayray> i heard that you dont need the proprietary driver for opengl
[02:43] <Frafra> but it doesn't work
[02:43] <kingrayray> but im not sure
[02:43] <Frafra> yes
[02:43] <Frafra> but it doesn't work well :(
[02:43] <kingrayray> oh :/
[02:43] <Frafra> I can't run wine
[02:43] <Frafra> it goes sloowly
[02:43] <kingrayray> back in the day i had a radeon 9000
[02:43] <kingrayray> when fglrx was the only option
[02:43] <kingrayray> i couldn't do wine stuff either
[02:43] <Frafra> kingrayray: I use nvidia usually, but in this pc I've an ati
[02:43] <kingrayray> it sucked, i wanted to play counter-strike.
[02:44] <kingrayray> yea
[02:44] <Frafra> mmm...
[02:44] <Frafra> can I install manually that driver?
[02:44] <kingrayray> i'm sure you /could/
[02:44] <kingrayray> but i'm not sure how wise of an idea that is
[02:44] <kingrayray> is the module loaded?
[02:44] <kingrayray> xorg.conf configured properly?
[02:44] <kingrayray> etc
[02:44] <Frafra> yes
[02:45] <kingrayray> but "glxinfo | grep direct" returns no?
[02:46] <Frafra> with opendrivers... it depends, usually yes
[02:46] <kingrayray> but not with fglrx?
[02:46] <Frafra> i can't run xorg with fglrx
[02:46] <kingrayray> ouh
[02:46] <kingrayray> what does it say when you try?
[02:46] <Frafra> it shows me a dialog where i can configure my card
[02:46] <Frafra> nothing more
[02:47] <kingrayray> then my guess is your xorg.conf isnt set up to handle it properly
[02:47] <Frafra> it's ok
[02:47] <kingrayray> it might require more than just changing the driver line
[02:47] <Frafra> i've edited it manually
[02:47] <Frafra> and i've tryied
[02:47] <kingrayray> (someone who knows more is welcome to chime in here..)
[02:47] <kingrayray> lol
[02:47] <Frafra> then I've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:47] <Frafra> then I've tryied ubuntu applet
[02:48] <Frafra> it doesn't work
[02:48] <kingrayray> ati sure does kick ass in linux x.x
[02:49] <_dan_> since when?
[02:50] <_dan_> all i hear is ppl complainig about the driver chaos
[02:50] <jykiv>  http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/sec
[02:50] -jykiv:#ubuntu+1-  http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/sec
[02:50] <_dan_> and not working aiglx
[02:50] <kingrayray> it was an attempt at sarcasm
[02:50] <_dan_> kingrayray oh
[02:50] <kingrayray> hehe
[02:50] <_dan_> :O
[02:50] <kingrayray> its ok, the internet is a tough place to be sarcastic
[02:50] <_dan_> i should have read maybe more than one line ;)
[02:51] <kingrayray> hehe
[02:58] <askand> Ubuntu freezes under the installation..is this a known bug?
[03:01] <ReL1K> stupid question here, when i delete something in a usb drive, it doesn't place it in the trash, and doesn't free up disk space
[03:01] <sander_> ReL1K: it updates the device when you unmount
[03:01] <sander_> afaik
[03:02] <kingrayray> if you are in your file manager @ the usb drive
[03:02] <kingrayray> goto the go menu then trash
[03:02] <kingrayray> it will show trash from the usb device
[03:02] <[Wiebel] > Hi :)
[03:02] <kingrayray> and that usually works for me
[03:02] <kingrayray> hi [Wiebel]
[03:02] <lymeca_> What version of X.Org will be in gutsy?
[03:02] <[Wiebel] > how can I change the number of virtual desktops in gutsy?
[03:02] <[Wiebel] > can't realy find an option
[03:02] <[Wiebel] > also i'm looking to tweak the visual features some more
[03:03] <kingrayray> try installing compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:03] <ReL1K> sander_ thanks :P
[03:03] <kingrayray> i think that's it..
[03:03] <[Wiebel] > nice
[03:03] <kingrayray> it has a ridiculous amount of options for compiz
[03:03] <ReL1K> Wiebel, turn the affects off in desktop, then right click on the top right and select preferences
[03:03] <[Wiebel] > kingrayray: lovely :)
[03:03] <ReL1K> it'll show you the desctops
[03:04] <ReL1K> desktops
[03:04] <ReL1K> then in compiz, if you want to display more then 2, go into the ccsm under general options and change it under there
[03:04] <sander_> When I connect my phone through USB in Kubuntu 7.10 nothing happens... while in Ubuntu 7.04 it got automounted
[03:05] <sander_> any suggestions?
[03:05] <kingrayray> my helio ocean mounts automatically
[03:05] <kingrayray> is it detected when you do lsusb?
[03:07] <sander_> it is: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0fce:d042 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications A
[03:07] <kingrayray> hmm!
[03:07] <kingrayray> i dont know much about this kinda stuff, all my devices have been working fine automagically
[03:08] <sander_> well I removed the usb connector a couple of times and switched usb ports a few times and now it works!!
[03:08] <sander_> w00t :)
[03:08] <sander_> tnx  :)
[03:08] <kingrayray> hahaha sweet
[03:13] <unggnu> Is the bluetooth issue a bug or a feature that file transfers aren't possible without manual start of obex-server?
[03:14] <liberum> Since I installed 7.10 i cannot play videos anymore. Doesn't matter which player i try. No video, just audio.
[03:15] <askand> Gutsy beta freezes under the installation..is this a known bug?
[03:16] <_dan_> liberum anumute alsamixer
[03:16] <_dan_> unmute
[03:16] <liberum> _dan_: Is that a commando or what?
[03:16] <_dan_> run alsamixer in a terminal
[03:16] <_dan_> and see if its unmuted
[03:17] <liberum> sweet mixer!
[03:17] <liberum> Master and Master M is not muted
[03:19] <liberum> But it's the video that doesn't play. I'm listening to mp3s right now :)
[03:19] <kingrayray> do you have the correct codec plugins installed
[03:19] <kingrayray> what player are you using?
[03:19] <kingrayray> for video
[03:19] <liberum> VLC most of the time.. but i've tried four
[03:19] <liberum> players
[03:19] <kingrayray> oh wow, vlc doesn't work?
[03:19] <kingrayray> nevermind then o.o;;
[03:19] <liberum> ^^
[03:20] <liberum> VLC is better in win i think :-/
[03:20] <kingrayray> i use mplayer for everything
[03:20] <liberum> mm mplayer is great... but i like vlcs settings
[03:21] <_dan_> i am a mplayer fan to
[03:21] <kingrayray> i like mplayer because (when configured properly), even if my X is broken i can still watch stuff in console
[03:21] <kingrayray> course im pretty sure that requires a custom kernel
[03:21] <kingrayray> something i wouldn't do on ubuntu ^^
[03:21] <_dan_> kingrayray over what plugin?
[03:21] <_dan_> ascii?
[03:21] <_dan_> ;O
[03:21] <Hippu> liberum: have you tried without compiz?
[03:21] <kingrayray> no
[03:21] <liberum> kingrayray: really? cool
[03:22] <kingrayray> directfb
[03:22] <_dan_> ah
[03:22] <kingrayray> i think is it
[03:22] <_dan_> never tried it
[03:22] <liberum> Hippu: doesn't use compiz... ATI (don't get me started :P)
[03:22] <_dan_> ascii plugin is fun tho
[03:22] <kingrayray> _dan_: also libcaca plugin is fun
[03:22] <kingrayray> its like color ascii
[03:22] <_dan_> hahah
[03:22] <kingrayray> try it sometime hehe
[03:22] <_dan_> i can remember the time
[03:22] <_dan_> where there were no mplayer packages no valid linux media player
[03:23] <_dan_> there was aviplay for avis hehe
[03:23] <kingrayray> haha
[03:23] <_dan_> and one had to compile mplayer
[03:23] <_dan_> it was so
[03:23] <kingrayray> old-school
[03:23] <_dan_> WOW when it started to play
[03:25] <Whoopie> anybody wants to try uswsusp with usplash? I re-added uplash support in bug 109151
[03:28] <ReL1K> sander_ when unmounting, still doesn't delete.
[03:30] <askand> Gutsy beta freezes under the installation..is this a known bug?
[03:30] <sander_> ReL1K: You're sure that there isn't a (hidden) .Trash folder on that device?
[03:34] <toni_> hi did anyone resolv the contrast problem with radeon driver on Gutsy?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> toni_: the radeon being the non-free one?
[03:36] <graft> radeon is a free driver
[03:36] <toni_> radeon is the free one ... xserver-xorg-ati package
[03:36] <graft> fglrx is the non-free one
[03:37] <toni_> my problem is after upgrading, that the contrast is too high ( not the gamma value ) and I cannot change this unless i turn down on my monitor...
[03:37] <toni_> i can only resolv this problem with switiching to fglrx driver ..
[03:37] <toni_> on Xorg.0.log I see no error messages
[03:39] <graft> both radeon and fglrx are badly broken here
[03:40] <Hobbsee> graft: ah right, i can never keep them straight
[03:42] <sander_> Is there a pager which works well with compiz?
[03:42] <toni_> you mean rss reader?
[03:43] <ReL1K> sander_: no hiddin trash
[03:43] <kingrayray> pager = applet for handing multiple desktops
[03:43] <ReL1K> nevermind
[03:43] <ReL1K> got it
[03:43] <ReL1K> thanks sander_
[03:44] <sander_> ReL1K: what was it?
[03:44] <graft> sander: he means he understood your question
[03:44] <sander_> ah.. nice all those misunderstandings :)
[03:44] <ReL1K> hidden folder, didn't see it in the mesh
[03:45] <graft> sander_: you use gnome i take it
[03:45] <sander_> graft: nope.. kubuntu
[03:45] <sander_> on gutsy
[03:45] <graft> sander_: there's kicker-compiz on kde-apps.org
[03:46] <graft> might do your trick
[03:46] <sander_> graft: will have a look... tnx!
[03:47] <graft> sander_: hm, it's very ol
[03:47] <graft> old
[03:47] <sander_> hmm
[03:47] <graft> might be merged already
[03:49] <graft> might as well try it, sander_
[03:54] <ReL1K> hrm new xorg-video-ati update a sec ago
[03:54] <ReL1K> need to make some xorg-video-intel updates :P
[04:13] <lans> Device mapper  table : 254:0 : linear : dm-linear : device lookup failed
[04:13] <lans> Why ?
[04:14] <lans> It happens on 2.6.22 , 2.6.20 is ok
[04:16] <lans> Everybody wake up !!!
[04:16] <graft> what's the context, here?
[04:17] <lans> Sleep !
[04:17] <graft> ergh. your error
[04:26] <LuCypher> hi I'm currently trying to install beta...
[04:26] <nico__> hi, how can i see if im running feisty or gutsy, cant get any info out of uname -a
[04:27] <Hobbsee> nico__: lsb_release -a
[04:28] <LuCypher> Ubiquity doesn't run ... I've tried gksudo ubiquity...
[04:28] <LuCypher> I get ubikuity is already running
[04:30] <nico__> feisty
[04:30] <Pici> Hm..
[04:31] <Pici> Whats a chocolate teapot?
[04:31] <nico__> is it save to install the latest beta release of ubuntu gutsy?
[04:32] <sico> ubuntu 7.10 locks  using compiz everytime (nvidia 5700le)
[04:32] <sico> have to use gnome-failsafe
[04:32] <unggnu> Anyone know something about the bluetooth plan for Ubuntu Gutsy?
[04:32] <LuCypher> nico__ :wait 17 october!!1
[04:33] <unggnu> Anyone knows which Xorg package consist the whole server/source?
[04:33] <TuxRug> Where can I find a list of packagers installed by ubuntu-mobile that are not present in ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-desktop in Gutsy?
[04:33] <LuCypher> I'm having problems installing gutsy beta
[04:33] <PlanetaryNapkin> nico_ Don't do it, dude.
[04:33] <Pici> sico: Have you looked in launchpad for anyone with the same issue?
[04:33] <PlanetaryNapkin> nico_ It only half-finished for me, and now my sound isn't working.
[04:34] <sico> pici: no, fairly new to ubuntu.  not sure what launchpad is
[04:34] <nico__> hm guess i'l wait
[04:34] <Pici> !bugs
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[04:35] <antennae> hi
[04:35] <PlanetaryNapkin> So, when I'm trying to install to Gutsy, I get about a minute into downloading all of the packages, and then the installer gets to bzip2 and craps out.
[04:35] <PlanetaryNapkin> What gives?
[04:35] <Pici> unggnu: What do you mean?
[04:36] <Pici> PlanetaryNapkin: What error do you get? Surely it doesnt say 'bzip: crapout error'  :p
[04:36] <unggnu> Pici, First or second question?
[04:36] <antennae> can anyone please tell me if the alternate installer is able to create encrypted partitions yet?
[04:36] <unggnu> Pici, I want to patch xorg but I guees I have found the correct package.
[04:36] <PlanetaryNapkin> Pici: I get a message about how it failed to fetch the file, and perhaps it's a network problem. I can get the exact error for you if you wish.
[04:36] <Pici> unggnu: nevermidn then
[04:36] <nico__> what is the multi screen package in gutsy called
[04:36] <unggnu> Pici, thanks
[04:37] <Pici> PlanetaryNapkin: The exact error would be easiest to troubleshoot.
[04:37] <PlanetaryNapkin> Pici: Un moment, then.
[04:37] <Pici> nico__: Probably the same as it was in feisty?
[04:37] <unggnu> But still interested that Gutsy has a bluetooth panel but no running obex-server.
[04:38] <nico__> Pici: never found that tool in Feisty
[04:38] <Pici> !xinerama | nico__
[04:38] <PlanetaryNapkin> Alright, well, foremost, I get "could not initiate dbus" in the terminal when I run the 'gksu "update-manager -c -d"' bit. First bad omen.
[04:39] <PlanetaryNapkin> Then I get: : "Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)"
[04:39] <ubotu> nico__: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[04:40] <PlanetaryNapkin> Actually, funny bit is, I get one copy of that message for every time I've failed to upgrade. So I get six of them in a row now.
[04:41] <PlanetaryNapkin> Actually, scratch that. They're all distinct but similar error messages. But I do get more each time...
[04:41] <Pici> PlanetaryNapkin: i'm looking, hold on
[04:41] <PlanetaryNapkin> Sure, thanks.
[04:42] <TuxRug> What is the name of the package that presents the on-screen-keyboard from the ubuntu-mobile package.
[04:42] <TuxRug> ?
[04:43] <Pici> PlanetaryNapkin: Can you bypass the error?
[04:43] <Pici> or does it just giveup?
[04:45] <PlanetaryNapkin> Hurm. Just crashed, on top of it all. =)
[04:45] <Pici> PlanetaryNapkin: Not sure if you got my last message, does it give up or can you bypass that error?
[04:46] <PlanetaryNapkin> It seems to give up. I don't get any options to the contrary.
[04:46] <Pici> And you are running the latest version of update-manager as suggested in the release notes?
[04:47] <PlanetaryNapkin> Yeah, I did check that. I'm running Something.25.
[04:47] <PlanetaryNapkin> The exact number eludes me, but it was as good or slightly better than what the notes wanted.
[04:49] <TuxRug> Nevermind, I found the package after about twenty minutes of trying different search strings in apt-cache... I removed matchbox-keyboard and i'm good now.
[04:49] <TuxRug> thanks
[04:49] <Pici> PlanetaryNapkin: Then I'm not sure :/
[04:50] <PlanetaryNapkin> Pici: No problem at all. =)
[04:51] <Pici> PlanetaryNapkin: That file downloads fine here, but is empty.  The file summaries on that server agree, I dont know why its causing it to fail though.
[04:53] <PlanetaryNapkin> Pici: Alright, so, after restarting, I have an interesting dialogue from the Update-Manager: "Not all updates can be installed. Run a partial upgrade to install as many updates as possible. This can be caused by: A previous upgrade which didn't complete. Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu. Normal changes of a pre-release version of Ubuntu."
[04:53] <ReL1K> I have a GM965 (X3100). I use a docking station that uses DVI and a VGA output for dual head. When i switch to extended mode, I get a Comparing resolution (2560x1024) to maximum 3D texture size (2048): Failed. If I comment that check out, it runs fine except my entire desktop goes white. The 3d cube, wobbly windows, etc. all work fine. Anyone else running into this?
[04:53] <ReL1K> in compiz
[04:53] <PlanetaryNapkin> Then I get an option for Partial Upgrade. It seems reasonable to click this.
[04:53] <Pici> PlanetaryNapkin: Seems reasonable to me too.
[04:53] <ReL1K> its strange, my card supports 3d rendering at 2560
[04:54] <ReL1K> if i change my resolution to 1024x768 or 2048, works fine, looks like hell, but works
[04:55] <PlanetaryNapkin> Pici: Well, it's chugging away now. Hopefully nothing blows up.
[05:00] <slytherin> Does anyone want to try some theora beta 1 packages?
[05:06] <frijolie> anyone know how to fix an external USB hard-drive that doesn't automount or "hot-plug"?
[05:06] <frijolie> sorry in Gutsy
[05:10] <hjmills> i understand there is an issue with some laptops not logging in to gdm - is there a fix
[05:10] <hjmills> ?
[05:11] <Pici> hjmills: do you have a bug #?
[05:11] <Pici> Perhaps theres a fix there.
[05:12] <hjmills> Pici, no - its just that I was on #ubuntu-devel a few weeks back and had the problem on my laptop and was wondering if it had been fixed as we near the gutsy release freeze
[05:12] <hjmills> Pici, I will go check the bug tracker
[05:12] <Pici> hjmills: Oh.. I haven't had any issues with my laptop :/
[05:13] <hjmills> Pici, please, dont make me jealous - its only just got back from a mobo change (under warranty thank god)
[05:25] <fraco> wheres the gnome mouse cursors config. upgrade to gutsy left me with kde mouse cursors and i'd rather have the normal ones
[05:28] <Pici> fraco: Check in preferences>apperance I think
[05:28] <fraco> i thought so to, but the themes all refer to "default pointer". dunno how to reset that to gnome mouse pointers
[05:29] <Pici> fraco: I cant check from where I am, ssh access only.
[05:29] <LjL> how come in Gutsy WINE seems to be using a fixed-width font by default?
[05:34] <ReL1K> if you hose iptables, is there a way to reset them to default?
[05:36] <TuxRox> I just upgraded a system from 7.04 to 7.10. In the desktop effects settings I noticed that there are desktop widgets, kind of like in OSX. Any idea how to find and install these?
[05:39] <slytherin> TuxRox: Where do you see those widgets? I mean which program have you started?
[05:41] <TuxRox> slytherin, It is in the System --> Preferences --> Advanced Desktop Effects Settings app, under Desktop. It is called Widget Layer and is activated by hitting F9. It only works with compiz enabled.
[05:41] <graft> how did you hose iptables, ReL1K?
[05:42] <graft> TuxRox: yeah, compiz supports a whole buncha types of widgets
[05:42] <graft> TuxRox: there's a setting in ccsm that lets you control which things
[05:43] <TuxRox> graft, I just found a website with directions. Thanks!
[05:45] <slytherin> TuxRox: I don't see that 'Advanced Desktop Effects' thing. May be you have installed some additional program.
[05:45] <syke_> hi
[05:45] <syke_> next set of upgrade errors :(
[05:46] <brandon__> anybody having trouble mounting partitions after upgrading to gutsy?
[05:46] <ReL1K> graft, installed guarddog, had some issues with it
[05:46] <syke_> I get a messagebox saying that "upgade-manager" failed to install or upgrade
[05:46] <syke_> in the terminal, I see this
[05:46] <TuxRox> Maybe.
[05:47] <syke_> "/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/... `initialize': No such device or address /dev/tty
[05:47] <MasterShrek-Scho> jc-denton did you enable compiz? u should be able to change it in the compiz settings manager