[23:05] <Marko> Hi everybody!
[23:07] <fossfreedom> o/
[23:07] <Marko> Just installed Ubuntu Budgie today. Encountered issues with sound during screen sharing in Zoom and Signal. Would be good to get pointers where to look for the soluiton. No sound in both snap applications.
[23:08] <Marko> during screen sharing.
[23:10] <fossfreedom> Does sound work in general?
[23:10] <Marko> Yes.
[23:10] <Marko> Forgot to mention that. And mic input works. Checked app permissions as well.
[23:13] <fossfreedom> Dunno. Sounds like pulseaudio not going through the snap interfaces. Snap issues are best discussed on forum.snapcraft.io
[23:14] <Marko> I'll try that next. Thank you. Just what I needed. Not probably a budgie issue on ubuntu.
[23:14] <Marko> What kind of issues do I address for to Ubuntu Budgie support.
[23:15] <Marko> Give me examples please.
[23:15] <Marko> For the future.
[23:16] <fossfreedom> Support issues are generally around the desktop, applets and how to do various things  the support forum is discourse.ubuntubudgie.org ... do have a look around there.
[23:24] <Marko> Thank you
[23:24] <Marko> Have an nice {insert time of the day}!!!
[23:25] <fossfreedom> 😀


[02:32] <jdeslip> Good evening all
[02:32] <grantbow> good evening
[02:32] <rww> evenin'
[02:34] <grantbow> looks like just Scale9x planning on the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11February13
[02:37] <jdeslip> Yep
[02:45] <grantbow> Seems to me we should add Scale to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances pretty soon.
[02:54] <grantbow> per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceTopTips do people have tally counters such as http://images.google.com/images?q=tally+counter ?
[02:55] <jdeslip> I don't, wonders if there is an android "app for that"
[02:56] <grantbow> good idea, I'll look.
[02:56] <grantbow> They are less than $10 on Amazon or eBay and won't crash :-)
[02:57] <grantbow> if not we can make one ;-)
[02:57] <grantbow> quite a few in the market
[02:58] <akk> I have a linux program to do that, if you want to dedicate a laptop to it. :)
[02:58] <akk> (written for counting meteors)
[02:58]  * grantbow surfs the developer websites
[02:58] <grantbow> akk: cool
[02:58] <jdeslip> Almost time for meeting
[02:59] <akk> http://shallowsky.com/software/tuxmeteor.html
[03:00] <akk> (just posting 'cause I want to show off the silly logo)
[03:00] <grantbow> the trouble we had in the past using them was gathering the data
[03:00] <akk> Getting people to remember to click them?
[03:00] <grantbow> akk: gnuplot, nice
[03:01] <akk> These days I'd use other solutions -- cairoplot makes really pretty plots.
[03:01] <jdeslip> Ok, everyone here for the meeting raise your hand
[03:01] <akk> o/
[03:01] <MarkDude> \o
[03:01] <grantbow> o/
[03:02] <jdeslip> Ok, hopefully some people trickle in during the hour.
[03:02] <jdeslip> The 0th topic is (as always) announcements.  Anyone have anything to announce?
[03:02] <philipballew> hand raised!
[03:03]  * eps tries to figure out which left is my left
[03:03] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:04] <jdeslip> David Wonderly mentioned that the week for Feb 28 is Ubuntu developer week
[03:04] <jdeslip> If you want to attend, please check out the mailing list
[03:04] <jdeslip> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[03:05] <ishimeru> Good evening everyone.
[03:05] <jdeslip> Any other announcements?
[03:06] <jdeslip> If not, we will move on to our only agenda item for tonight.  SCALE9X planning.
[03:06] <jdeslip> SCALE is less than 2 weeks from tonight
[03:06] <jdeslip> We will have booth at the expo on Saturday and Sunday the 26th and 27th
[03:07] <jdeslip> And on friday their will be an Ubucon.
[03:07] <jdeslip> If nhaines is around, perhaps he can briefly discuss the ubucon and what (if anything) is needed.
[03:07] <jdeslip> (Thanks A LOT nhaines for making this happen and taking the lead)
[03:10] <jdeslip> OK, if nhaines pops in later, we can disucss the ubucon, if not - I'm assuming enough speakers got back to him and we can disucss any necessary planning on the list.
[03:10] <jdeslip> Moving on to our booth...
[03:10] <jdeslip> The main thing we want to confirm tonight is the demo boxes
[03:11] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Can you confirm the demo boxes you are bringing and whether they will be at the ubuntu table
[03:11] <jdeslip> I know you are contributing to other tables as well
[03:12] <MarkDude> Sry yes
[03:12] <jdeslip> Also for those following along the scale planning is found on the wiki here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
[03:12] <jdeslip> Please add your name if you are coming and bringing anything
[03:12]  * MarkDude has 2 machines- the other has iied and most likely needs pats
[03:12] <dragonoid> o/
[03:13] <jdeslip> Can you describe the two machines?  And will they be at the Ubuntu table the entire expo?
[03:13] <jdeslip> or are they on a timeshare ;)
[03:13] <MarkDude> both of the machines are there full time
[03:14] <jdeslip> OK, can you add them to the wiki page with a description
[03:14] <MarkDude> The Dell and the the compaq on the page already
[03:14] <MarkDude> I may need to scratch the Strata
[03:15] <iheartubuntu> are CD sleeves still needed? I can update the old artwork to be for 10.10 discs (or whatever is needed)
[03:15] <jdeslip> Ah, I see, guess they are not in the table
[03:15] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu - yes, we still need the sleeve design to be updated.
[03:15]  * MarkDude will move them to correct place- as pleia2 reminded me to- and I forgot :P
[03:15] <grantbow> iheartubuntu: that would be greatly appreciated
[03:15] <iheartubuntu> ok - i will do it.
[03:16] <iheartubuntu> are these printed in b/w or color?
[03:16] <jdeslip> basically we just want the sleeves to include checkboxes for the next several releases (instead of last several releases)
[03:16] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: both
[03:16] <jdeslip> I am going to try to pring about 100 in color
[03:16] <jdeslip> but often they are printed in black and white for cost
[03:17] <iheartubuntu> on what sort of paper?
[03:17] <jdeslip> 8-1/2-11
[03:17] <jdeslip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves
[03:17] <jdeslip> You can just modify the design
[03:17] <grantbow> it's in bzr
[03:18] <iheartubuntu> got it thx
[03:18] <jdeslip> Once you modify it, please send an email to list; so, I can get them printed.  :)
[03:19] <iheartubuntu> will do. i will get this done sometime tonite
[03:19] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:19] <jdeslip> erichammond1: are you still on track for burning 200 discs?
[03:19]  * erichammond1 wakes up
[03:20] <jdeslip> on the wiki page it says you are down for 200 discs - it is in the blank category, but I seem to remember you saying it would be 200 burned discs
[03:20] <erichammond1> um, my name is in the "blank cds" row
[03:20] <erichammond1> jdeslip: wishful thinking.
[03:20] <rww> hehe
[03:21] <grantbow> haha
[03:21] <grantbow> 6 minutes or so each x200 is quite a bit
[03:21] <jdeslip> true
[03:21] <iheartubuntu> what version #'s do we want on the sleeve? right now its 8.04, 9.04, 9.10, and 10.04
[03:21] <erichammond1> I did spend a little time looking around for a CD printing company that would print the CDs for free with a little advertising space on them.
[03:21] <jdeslip> So, can anyone volunteer some burned cds?
[03:22] <erichammond1> Didn't make much progress, but it seems that there might be somebody out there for future events.
[03:22] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: I think 10.04 10.10 11.04 11.10
[03:22] <iheartubuntu> are we burning them on CD or DVD?
[03:22] <rww> iheartubuntu: CD
[03:22] <jdeslip> CD
[03:22] <iheartubuntu> i ask because i have better luck with burning to DVD :)
[03:22] <grantbow> erichammond1: Canonical will gladly ship CDs at minimal cost for a modest donation, especially for versions they have extra of like 10.04 right now.
[03:23] <grantbow> I've looked into getting CDs made too and the costs are quite high in relatively low volumes
[03:23] <jdeslip> grantbow: We also have a conference pack that includes pressed cds
[03:23] <grantbow> jdeslip: I hadn't forgotten :-)
[03:24] <grantbow> shipit will work with us to act as a CD replicator at cost
[03:24] <grantbow> their cost is much lower than anything I could find
[03:24] <grantbow> I can check my notes
[03:24] <jdeslip> OK, well, it seems like we will have a lot of blank cds on hand and I believe a burning box - DarkwingDucks
[03:25] <erichammond1> grantbow: I'd love to hear what "cost" is.
[03:25] <philipballew> would anyone just have a multiple cd burner they can lend for the weekend?
[03:25] <iheartubuntu> I can commit to 50 CDs. let me know what speed you want them burned to and any other info like what ISOs
[03:25] <grantbow> erichammond1: np
[03:25] <erichammond1> I did say I could print some color sleeves (100+?) if the design is updated and somebody contacts me about it more than a day in advance.
[03:26] <philipballew> i can do cds as well. just need the number, version and speed
[03:26] <grantbow> marking CDs, printing sleeves, folding sleeves, stuffing, all of these are factors we take for "granted" in low volumes.
[03:26] <iheartubuntu> erichammond1 - i will post the CD sleeve file to the mailing list sometime tonite
[03:26] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: thanks! can you add your name to the wiki page?
[03:27] <jdeslip> philipballew: the number is however much you can commit to 50? Mostly i386 desktop edition.
[03:27] <jdeslip> Does speed actually matter?  I mean, as long as your burner can handle it?
[03:27] <rww> jdeslip: Higher speeds means more chance of failures. On modern equipment, I usually go with 8x.
[03:27] <philipballew> i can do 50. i assume this is 10.10? not to show up looking like an idiot with the wrong version
[03:27] <iheartubuntu> are we in need of any computers? i have an acer aspireone netbook with ubuntu 10.10 on it (desktop, unity, 2D). i can have it avail when im around.
[03:27] <grantbow> I do x16 speed for higher reliability - I found speed does matter.
[03:28] <philipballew> i have a dell studeo 10.10 ready for use if need be
[03:28] <iheartubuntu> not slower than 16x ?
[03:28] <grantbow> rww: your script rocks
[03:28] <jdeslip> Yes, please do 10.10
[03:28] <philipballew> exelent
[03:28] <iheartubuntu> so 50 of 10.10?
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys, sry I'm late
[03:28] <jdeslip> OK, if the expert say speed matters, do 16x and lower
[03:28] <rww> grantbow: come to think of it, I don't remember if I merged in those changes you sent me... will go check now.
[03:29] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: that would be awesome.  please add your name to the wiki if you can do it. :)
[03:29] <grantbow> http://rww.name/scripts/cdwrite.sh
[03:29] <philipballew> yes. i will do 50 of 10.10 32 bit
[03:29] <jdeslip> great
[03:29] <grantbow> rww: I think it was minor, like using the configured device on all commands as I recall.
[03:30] <jdeslip> Does anyone have anything else to add about SCALE planning?
[03:30] <grantbow> short meetings are not bad - work can still get done at other times :-)
[03:31] <philipballew> is there a section in the wiki for burned cds or should i add one?
[03:31] <jdeslip> philipballew: on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
[03:31] <philipballew> thanks
[03:31] <jdeslip> there is a table and row for "pre-Burned cds"
[03:32] <jdeslip> OK, I think we have pretty much everything covered (I will add myself as bringing the banner).
[03:33] <erichammond1> It would be smart for somebody to bring a backup network switch in the event EricHammond doesn't come through or his switch fails.
[03:33] <jdeslip> Does anyone have anything else to add before we end the official meeting?
[03:33] <jdeslip> erichammond1: ya, I heard that guy is unreliable ;)
[03:33] <erichammond1> ;-/
[03:33] <erichammond1> I'm a fan of redundancy
[03:33] <jdeslip> If anyone else can bring a switch, please add your name to the wiki
[03:34] <grantbow> erichammond1: good idea
[03:34] <jdeslip> (thinks I have spare linksys router I can bring)
[03:34] <grantbow> jdeslip: the one that looks best on Android from a quick inspection as a tally counter is from Nuvera Apps named T-Counter
[03:34] <rww> grantbow: looking at the diff, it 1) makes a couple of changes to eject calls that I think were because my burner needs some ejects that yours didn't, 2) switches the speed from 8x to 16x, and 3) disables MD5SUM checking (that I don't think we got working fully anyway?). I'll leave it for now and see if I can improve the MD5SUM stuff instead of commenting it out and cut down on the eject usage.
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> im too slow to update the wiki. i'll do my updating after the meeting (sorry)
[03:35] <rww> I'll add optional arguments for speed etc. too
[03:35] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: no worries
[03:36] <jdeslip> erichammond1: you bringing some cat5 cable too?
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> I have a single CD/DVD burner on my laptop. I will have all of the ISOs you can think of.
[03:36] <jdeslip> MarkDude: will you be providing your own cat5 cable for demo boxes?
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> will there be wi-fi available?
[03:36] <MarkDude> Sure what osrt of assortment should I bring?
[03:36] <grantbow> rww: I think I explained in my email that I didn't expect all of that to get merged - some of the need for the ejects depends on the type of burner you use (manual or automatic tray, etc).
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: there is but... bandwidth is really bad
[03:37] <MarkDude> GK has all sorts of cables and wires and such
[03:37] <iheartubuntu> ok
[03:37] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Maybe a few 5" cables?
[03:37] <rww> grantbow: ah, I didn't look at the email body. indeed you did.
[03:37] <jdeslip> err 5'
[03:37] <erichammond1> jdeslip: I don't have spare cables right now.  I could buy some cheap online if needed.
[03:37] <MarkDude> wisdom of sages (akk) NEVER trust wifi at conferences
[03:37] <rww> grantbow: I think the problems with getting console beeps were actually caused by a headachy bug in compiz. I'll ping my compiz contact and see if that's still an issue.
[03:38] <erichammond1> DarkwingDuck: This is a new location with multiple times more bandwidth.  We don't know how good/bad it will be.
[03:38]  * MarkDude can bring 20 or so of that size
[03:38] <iheartubuntu> 64 bit versions of 10.10 needed/wanted?
[03:38] <grantbow> rww: the only important thing was to get all the ejects and calls using the same /dev/ device variable so they all change at once. I tripped on that later and it might not be in the diff
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> erichammond1: Aye, but if everyone is using the same connection...
[03:38] <MarkDude> a tethered phone would be great for scheduled times
[03:38] <jdeslip> MarkDude: probably 5 or so cables would be good.
[03:38] <jdeslip> I have a tethered phone to bring
[03:38] <jdeslip> MarkDude: can you add the cable to the wiki?
[03:39] <MarkDude> Ok, lets see if any thing else
[03:39] <jdeslip> OK... so, anyone have any other questions about scale?
[03:39] <rww> grantbow: It's not. I'll add an otpional argument for device and default it to /dev/sd0
[03:39] <rww> sr0 **
[03:39] <rww> (and use it in the eject calls)
[03:39] <MarkDude> oh, lets try to Ustream or Justin TV some stuff for Scale
[03:40] <erichammond1> Does our booth have limits on network usage (number of computers, wifi broadcasting, ...)?
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> Has anyone emailed nhaines to requesting a talking topic for Ubucon?
[03:40] <akk> rww: There's a kernel issue with console beeps too.
[03:40] <jdeslip> DarkwingDuck: I did and pleia2 did I think
[03:40] <MarkDude> tethered phone and ok cheap mic work well even on crappy bandwidth
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> As did I
[03:40] <jdeslip> erichammond1: I am not sure they released that type of info
[03:40] <rww> erichammond1: If it's the same as last year, number of computers isn't an issue, but wifi wasn't allowed I think.
[03:40] <MarkDude> sound remains good - picture degrades
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> rww: correct. We were not allowed Wifi
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> other then provided wifi
[03:41] <erichammond1> so my little switch only has 4 hardware ports which limits it to 4 computers with Internet access.
[03:41] <MarkDude> Tethered worked well withNO wifi at Scale
[03:42]  * MarkDude is just telling all of you to root your phone so tethering can happen
[03:42] <MarkDude> :D
[03:42] <rww> akk: ah. I'll just comment the line out, then.
[03:42] <jdeslip> MarkDude: I can provide tethering if onsite internet fails
[03:43] <jdeslip> Ok. Let's wrap this up.  Please add your name to the wiki if you made a commitment to discs etc. tonight.
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: already rooted and some of that GingerBread goodness
[03:43]  * MarkDude suggest some sort of videos be made
[03:43] <MarkDude> at least a bit of Ubucon
[03:43] <jdeslip> Can probably do that with various android phones
[03:43] <iheartubuntu> is keeping the sleeve file an SVG format important?
[03:43] <MarkDude> many folks still dont know what the heck it is :)
[03:43] <erichammond1> My Internet access through my 4G phone is an 8 device wifi hotspot,  but I don't know how much I'll be around the booth.
[03:43] <rww> iheartubuntu: yes
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> Does anyone have a video camera?
[03:43] <jdeslip> iheartubunut: svg would be best since it is scalable
[03:44] <MarkDude> Anyone going to be there for Ubucon with a tether phone?
[03:44] <jdeslip> I will (if needed)
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> As will I
[03:45] <iheartubuntu> ok
[03:45] <jdeslip> More discussions on details of SCALE setup etc. will happen on the mailing list, channel in the days leading up to the conference. I think we will plan some sort of meeting on the Friday during/after ubucon
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> +1 for after Ubucon
[03:46] <erichammond1> Is there a meeting next Sunday?
[03:46] <jdeslip> erichammond1: you mean in two weeks?
[03:46] <MarkDude> Alright- lets plan on streaming some of Ubucon-
[03:46] <jdeslip> I am not yet sure - given that a larger fraction of the team will be at scale
[03:46] <erichammond1> jdeslip: oh, nevermind.  SCALE is sneaking up fast.
[03:46] <rww> It got moved to an in-person one on Saturday last year, which I thought was helpful.
[03:47]  * MarkDude can create an acct for Ustream- or the Team can use mine
[03:47] <jdeslip> rww: sounds like a good idea
[03:47] <MarkDude> rww, if everyone had known about it sure :)
[03:48] <jdeslip> How about a meeting on the Friday after Ubucon - which can serve as a meet and greet and a planning meeting for the next two days?
[03:48] <rww> MarkDude: Given all the places that meeting times are posted...
[03:49] <MarkDude> Ustream also allows for remote participation
[03:49] <MarkDude> folks can ask questions
[03:49] <jdeslip> Let's not worry too much about what happened last time, ok ;) I'll send an email to the list proposing a meeting Friday night and trying to get peoples schedules aligned
[03:49] <rww> jdeslip: Saturday was useful as a "We've done one day of booth. What changes do we need to make for day two?". I'm not gonna be there, though, so my preferences don't count ;)
[03:50]  * MarkDude is making sure we get the details set as to when to meet- they shifted last time
[03:50] <MarkDude> No worries, water under the bridge
[03:50] <jdeslip> rww: not a bad point. I'll send the email to the list and see what people want.  Friday or Saturday.
[03:50] <rww> (and as far as I know, ustream only works if you use Flash, so I won't be remote attending)
[03:50] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:50] <jdeslip> OK... So lets wrap this up for real.  Thanks for coming everyone!
[03:51] <jdeslip> The next official IRC meeting will therefore be in 4 weeks, and we will have an in-person meeting either Friday or Saturday at SCALE
[03:52] <jdeslip> ---------------------- End of Official Meeting ----------------
[03:52]  * rww cuts along dotted line
[03:52]  * MarkDude will create West Coast Ubuntu for streaming- considering it can be used at OSCON
[03:53] <MarkDude> unless there is objection- I am willing to help- I just have time for ML
[03:53] <grantbow> MarkDude: please not West Coast Ubuntu
[03:53] <grantbow> we have enough names as it is
[03:53] <MarkDude> and have also streamed at events before
[03:54] <grantbow> I recommend ubuntu-us-ca but there are other ideas I am sure
[03:54] <jdeslip> MarkDude: I'd talk to nhaines first, make sure he is OK (and thinks speakers) are OK with streaming video.
[03:54] <MarkDude> California Ubuntu Team?
[03:54] <jdeslip> at ubucon that is
[03:54] <jdeslip> Since, he is the lead for that event, I think this should be passed by him
[03:55] <MarkDude> jdeslip, I am willing to bet at least 1 speaker will be- I plan on that
[03:55] <MarkDude> anything more will be bonus
[03:56] <MarkDude> Or not. Just trying to help here
[03:56] <jdeslip> I think it is not a good idea: just make sure the organizers/speakers for ubucon are on board ;0
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> I good.
[03:57] <MarkDude> k
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> I mean... my documentation talk at campDKE last year is on youtube lol
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> *CampKDE
[03:57] <grantbow> MarkDude: California Ubuntu Team is another variant but is better than West Coast Ubuntu.  Did you see the discussion during the meeting a month ago? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January16
[03:58] <rww> DarkwingDuck: in WebM format, I hope ;P?
[03:58] <MarkDude> DarkwingDuck, and if I was from Europe I would hella view it :D
[03:58] <jdeslip> I meant to say I think it "IS" a good idea.
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> rww: :P
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: KDE rocks in the US Brother
[03:58] <jdeslip> As long as nhaines and speakers are on board
[03:58] <MarkDude> grantbow, chill, not really going to use the name
[03:58] <rww> Calibuntu Forniloco
[03:58] <MarkDude> just as DarkwingDuck  knows that KDE is just fine :)
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[03:59] <MarkDude> rww +1
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> rww: +2
[03:59] <grantbow> rww: Sameer has recorded Ustream from his Android phone and I don't think he has flash on it.
[03:59] <MarkDude> And a nice color blue I might add
[03:59] <jdeslip> Why not just live stream under the Ubucon or SCALE event name
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> I would say Ubucon name
[03:59] <nhaines> I have hired a videographer for Ubucon and am preliminarily planning to stream live via Ustream, please do not make aditional plans for recording at Ubucon.
[03:59] <akk> Sometimes sites server flash to desktop browsers and other formats to phones, I gather.
[03:59] <rww> grantbow: There are apps for iPhone and Android, yeah. I don't think there's a normal computer interface that doesn't use Flash. Or rather, I couldn't find one when I tried.
[03:59] <nhaines> (Personal recording is fine by me as long as it doesn't disrupt.)
[04:00] <grantbow> rww: kk
[04:00] <MarkDude> nhaines, is correct
[04:00] <jdeslip> nhaines: thanks for the info
[04:00] <grantbow> nhaines: nice! who have you hired?
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: Did you recieve my email?
[04:00] <MarkDude> That was the #1 thing for streaming- was not letting the tech get in the way
[04:01] <akk> Video is still dicey that way, so many incompatible formats and platforms.
[04:01] <nhaines> grantbow: David Ellsworth, who did the camerawork for SCaLE8X too.
[04:01] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: yes I did!
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: awesome!
[04:01] <MarkDude> It was used for questions/statements just a bit- but that was helpful
[04:02] <grantbow> akk: yes, we had some problems streaming at the OLPC SF summit a few months back with some laptops we hadn't tested before the event. Last minute scramble finally got something running but it wasn't ideal.
[04:02] <jdeslip> Ok, so I think that resolves the video issue: nhaines has it covered
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[04:02] <grantbow> jdeslip: yes
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> Flannel: ping
[04:02] <grantbow> nhaines: thanks for handling this :-)
[04:03] <jdeslip> OK, I am off for the evening. Thanks for all your scale9x commitments everyone!  I am really looking forward to meeting everyone!
[04:04] <nhaines> grantbow: the video setup for Ubucon last year was major fail so I'm bringing in someone this year.  It should be a lot smoother.
[04:04] <iheartubuntu> same here jdeslip
[04:04] <MarkDude> later jdeslip
[04:04] <MarkDude> akk http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12036933
[04:04] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: it wasn't a major fail... it failed but, I don't think that was your fault.
[04:04] <MarkDude> the suond is bad due to the mic
[04:05] <iheartubuntu> me/ thinks markdude looks like a professional baseball player
[04:05] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: the Flip couldn't offload the video fast enough and we didn't really have access to the laptop between sessions anyway, so it was poor planning.
[04:05] <MarkDude> lol
[04:05] <iheartubuntu> possibly a pitcher in an imagined W.P. Kinsella short story
[04:06] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: Yeah...  I would rather be told I look like a baseball player than say a football or rugby player
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: you look like you should play bowling :P:P
[04:08]  * MarkDude has NO stache now
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> No?
[04:09] <DarkwingDuck> I have one and a goatee now
[04:09] <iheartubuntu> or an Oregen lumberjack.
[04:09] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[04:09] <iheartubuntu> actually... even without the suit MarkDude looks more and more like a penguin
[04:09] <iheartubuntu> :p
[04:10] <grantbow> lol
[04:10] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, the full transformation will take a while tho
[04:10]  * iheartubuntu will examine his feet/flippers at scale
[04:10] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: are you bringing the penguin suit?
[04:11] <MarkDude> Well a replacement
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[04:11] <MarkDude> the original is in Venezuela
[04:11] <grantbow> nice
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh sweet
[04:11] <MarkDude> Slightly battle damaged, but still has life in it
[04:11] <MarkDude> the replacemnt is still in AZ
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[04:12] <MarkDude> long story
[04:12] <MarkDude> Robyn will be bringing it with her
[04:12]  * MarkDude misses having a suit at present
[04:13] <MarkDude> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/5425001844/
[04:13] <MarkDude> There is the suit at a Debian party in Caracas
[04:14] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:15]  * MarkDude has been given  assignments to take some pics with the suit doing various things
[04:19] <MarkDude> Cleanshaven I have more of a youth pastor look I think
[04:29] <grantbow> akk: tuxmeteor is quite cool, thanks.
[04:30]  * rww ponders laptop + CRT
[04:33] <iheartubuntu> sorry its taking me so long on this SVG - i havent used inkscape for a few months :)
[04:33]  * MarkDude wonders why no one has ever said that I look like a scientist/professor
[04:34] <MarkDude> lol
[04:34] <rww> because you don't ;P?
[04:34] <MarkDude> <delayed reaction>
[04:34] <MarkDude> rww I know
[04:34] <grantbow> iheartubuntu - might be easier to edit the markup by hand but I haven't tried it
[04:34] <iheartubuntu> almost done
[04:35] <MarkDude> anyone editing the wiki at this point- the Scale page?
[04:35] <grantbow> going home, have fun all
[04:35] <rww> It's generated, not hand-written in the first place, so I imagine it's probably a mess internally.
[04:35] <MarkDude> Later Dangerous G
[04:41] <iheartubuntu> can i post files to the mailing list?
[04:41] <rww> iheartubuntu: How big?
[04:41] <iheartubuntu> 1.3mb
[04:42] <rww> iheartubuntu: I wouldn't recommend it.
[04:43] <rww> Some options: 1) learn bzr and upload it to the LP repo, 2) put it on the wiki, 3) put it on Ubuntu One / some hosting site
[04:43] <rww> if you don't know bzr already, the SCaLE page of the wiki might be a good bet.
[04:43] <iheartubuntu> ok i can put it on the wiki or somethin
[04:43] <pleia2> or email it to someone who can put it into bzr for you :)
[04:43] <iheartubuntu> whats bzr
[04:44] <rww> iheartubuntu: the version control software that the CD sleeve files are in
[04:44] <pleia2> bazaar, revision control that launchpad uses
[04:49]  * pleia2 back to guests
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> BAH!
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> let 'em fend
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[04:59] <seidos> ah, right on time
[05:00] <rww> hah
[05:05] <MarkDude> Awesome >> Internal Server Error
[05:06] <rww> MarkDude: on the wiki? that's why I edit in kate and copypaste over.
[05:06] <rww> not the most reliable server
[05:09] <MarkDude> Yes, copypasta is your friend
[05:10] <MarkDude> gedit works if you know what you are doing- or in my case keep it simple :)
[05:11]  * MarkDude bows to ple ia2 and her inflatable penguin
[05:28] <iheartubuntu> Is there any plan to alter the Ubuntu California Team logo to a more updated design in connection with the new Ubuntu font & logos?
[05:28] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: not at present.
[05:28] <iheartubuntu> im not sure there is a need. I like what we have with the state of California in the logo
[05:29] <nhaines> pleia2: did Canonical provide new-branding Ubuntu nametags?
[05:29] <iheartubuntu> when I have some free time i might do a few mockups and see what everyone thinks
[05:33] <MarkDude> orange :P
[05:33] <MarkDude> The Ca logo rocks
[05:34] <MarkDude> It was even appreciated at FUDcon
[05:56] <MarkDude> rww too bad you are not on FB anymore http://www.fbanners.com/banners/932/i+like+turtles.html
[05:57] <rww> I deleted my cat's facebook profile today.
[05:57] <iheartubuntu> are we pushing kubuntu as well? will we have any kubuntu setups?
[05:57] <rww> also, this website confuses me. what is a banner
[05:57] <rww> iheartubuntu: DarkwingDuck will be there, so hopefully
[05:57] <rww> viva la KDE
[06:13] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: Yes
[06:14] <DarkwingDuck> I have Kubuntu on my laptop and I am pushing Kubuntu
[06:14] <iheartubuntu> turtles taste great
[06:15] <DarkwingDuck> :) That they do
[06:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[06:46] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: you might want to check the Ubuntu branding guidelines from Canonical.
[06:47] <iheartubuntu> ??
[06:47] <iheartubuntu> for the logo ideas?
[06:47] <nhaines> Branding guideline violations aside, the biggest things that jump out at me from the CD sleeves is that the Ubuntu logo is *way* too big and I'd rather see 32-bit/64-bit instead of i386/AMD64
[06:47] <nhaines> No, for the CD sleeves.
[06:48] <rww> It amuses me that Debian and Ubuntu call their 32-bit x86 architecture i386, and neither support i386 processors ;)
[06:49] <iheartubuntu> I can change it, I just used what was there
[06:50] <iheartubuntu> if the new logo was too big, then wasnt the old one too big? would you happen to have a link to the guidelines?
[06:51]  * iheartubuntu wonders if Canonical should provide basic artwork like cd sleeves so the brand image doesnt deviate
[06:52] <nhaines> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/brand-communication-guide/
[06:52] <nhaines> http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[06:52] <iheartubuntu> i think the ubuntu name & logo would look out of proportion with the rest of the cover it was much smaller
[06:52] <iheartubuntu> ty
[06:55] <nhaines> Anyway, I just think the logo's too big and looks cramped.
[06:57] <iheartubuntu> it would be helpful if those guidelines had links to all the SVGs of the examples in the PDFs
[06:58] <iheartubuntu> i will try to update it based on the spacing around the name/logo and see how it turns out.
[06:59] <iheartubuntu> any searches i do pulls up OLD svgs
[07:01] <iheartubuntu> surprising whomever made the PDFs at canonicals pages didnt embed links to the various files they talk about
[07:02] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: they're all available from the ubuntu-brand-guidelines page.
[07:03] <iheartubuntu> logo assets?
[07:04] <iheartubuntu> yup thats it. thanks nhaines !
[07:06] <nhaines> No prob.
[07:09] <iheartubuntu> approved to switch to 32 bit and 64 bit?
[07:10] <iheartubuntu> i like that much better than 386/amd64
[07:11] <rww> It's technically ambiguous, but sounds like a good idea to me.
[07:31] <iheartubuntu> ive updated the files on my server. here is a PNG version of what it looks like now... http://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/sleeve-02-13-2011.png
[07:31] <iheartubuntu> you may not like it. its not entirely different but i did follow the guidelines on the amount of spacing surrounding the logo
[07:32] <iheartubuntu> it is slightly smaller and doesnt hug the edges anymore
[07:40] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - possibly when i have time the whole cd sleeve should be reworked so it looks more professional. With pictograms and all.
[15:42] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=101883396557677
[15:43] <MarkDude> Protect the wifi from pirates and raiders - next Sat at Saxbys, all are invited
[15:43] <MarkDude> Help us set up a classroom for teaching Linux, FOSS and other good stuff
[16:45] <jamiedmattingly> MarkDude,  ill be there looks like fun
[16:45] <MarkDude> Cool deal jamiedmattingly
[16:46] <MarkDude> Bring a laptop or 2 for testing it
[16:46] <jamiedmattingly> i have my netbook is that ok?
[16:46] <MarkDude> Yes
[16:46] <MarkDude> We want to test the wired also
[16:46] <MarkDude> this is phase 1
[16:47] <MarkDude> phase 2 (if needed) they will buy a router we can put Linux on
[16:47] <jamiedmattingly> i have an old laptop with lubuntu that is just wired
[16:47] <MarkDude> so we can control the bandwidth for meetings and stuff
[16:47]  * MarkDude has a few P2s he plans on testing- yay Puppy Linux
[16:48] <MarkDude> You driving or taking BART?
[16:48]  * MarkDude should put public transport option on the page
[16:50] <jamiedmattingly> ill be driving coming from vallejo there is no real pub trans to walnut creek that i know of
[16:53] <iheartubuntu> nhaines - Ive attempted to reduce the ubuntu font & circle of friends on the cover of the CD sleeve. I think it looks more professional. Let me know what you think. ty. http://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/sleeve-alt-version2.png
[16:54] <iheartubuntu> if you like this version best, i can update the wiki
[16:58] <MarkDude> jamiedmattingly, nothing reasonable
[16:58] <MarkDude> like 3 buses to BART or Sumthin
[16:58] <MarkDude> you can park in back of Saxbys for FREE
[16:59] <jamiedmattingly> that was the plan
[17:00]  * MarkDude was thinking that if we have extra time - we can try a few networked games
[17:00] <jamiedmattingly> that sounds fun
[17:00] <MarkDude> We can also bring desktops if anyone feels bold
[17:00] <MarkDude> they have 2 bigscreens there- that make great monitors
[17:01] <MarkDude> GK has setup full machines there for release parties
[17:02] <MarkDude> akk, should I bring your plant to Socal?It may be some distance, but, I am not sure when would work otherwise
[17:03] <MarkDude> the ground cherry and a hummingbird plant
[17:03] <akk> MarkDude: Ha -- funny idea, but it would actually work! I could bring it home from there.
[17:03] <MarkDude> Cool
[17:03]  * MarkDude is also bringing a small starter as well as some seeds I just started
[17:04]  * MarkDude has always wanted to start seeds in February- this is hte 1st time I have done so
[17:04]  * akk just planted an apple tree over the weekend, keeps looking every few hours to see if there are any new buds :)
[17:04] <akk> I always start things a little too late. Over the winter I forget about planting.
[17:05]  * MarkDude planted the seeds yesterday- already checked on them 20 ties
[17:05] <MarkDude> times
[17:05] <MarkDude> my chocolate mint survivedthe winter
[17:05] <iheartubuntu> on burned CDs, do we just mark them on the disc as well, or do you guys go all out with cd labels
[17:06] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, normally use a sharpie to write on them also
[17:06] <iheartubuntu> ok cool
[17:06]  * MarkDude has someone else with *good* handwriting do so
[17:06] <iheartubuntu> do we print these cd sleeves on regular white paper? or some cardstock?
[17:07] <MarkDude> Regular white paper
[17:07] <MarkDude> laser printers do the best job of it
[17:11] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: 21:29:18 < nhaines> pleia2: did Canonical provide new-branding Ubuntu nametags?
[17:11] <pleia2> (the pack was sent to him, not me, I have to fly down and already have too much to pack :))
[17:11]  * MarkDude is making Fedbuntoo badges :D
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> wish i had color laser :)
[17:13] <iheartubuntu> wow, i found a site that prints color laser... 1000 cd sleeves would cost $70.
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> so liz will be carrying the penguin on board a plane? :)
[17:21] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 - are you interested in me updating the "with team information" fliers with the new ubuntu font/artwork?
[17:21] <pleia2> uninflated ;)
[17:21]  * MarkDude is looking forwardto pic with big-ass penguin
[17:21] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: our logo is on a lot of things, including all our printed t-shirts, we need to talk about this as a team if we want to update the logo
[17:21] <pleia2> I thought we had decided not too
[17:21] <pleia2> s/too/to
[17:22]  * MarkDude votes for keeping the awesome logo that rocks
[17:22] <MarkDude> they can pry it from my cold dead hands.....
[17:22] <pleia2> yeah, me too
[17:23] <jamiedmattingly> isnt the ubuntu logo itself changing with the new release?
[17:23] <MarkDude> It has an international appeal to it- everyone *knows* it is Cali
[17:23] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: yeah, it changed last year
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> i havent changed the logo on the links i provided on the scale page.
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> http://iheartubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-ca/
[17:23] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: there is no harm in offering your suggestions, I'm just saying that it's not up to me :)
[17:23] <MarkDude> We still are not FORCEd to change the logo
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> my logo and picto files are just ideas.
[17:23] <jamiedmattingly> its what was on grantbows shirt right??
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> the "sleeve-02-13-2011" version is the links i provided on the scale page. the alt versions are just that, alt versions.
[17:25] <pleia2> jamiedmattingly: it's the very basic circle of friends: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=blackeubuntulogo.png
[17:25] <pleia2> grantbow's shirt was just a Ubuntu Developer Summit picture for Natty
[17:25] <MarkDude> https://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/FUDcon#5568817889103927714
[17:26] <MarkDude> The shirt is to the right on the pic
[17:27] <jamiedmattingly> ok thanks i was confused i guess. i am a blonde after all :)
[17:27]  * MarkDude thinks the new logo is contrary to one of the things that 1st interested me in Ubuntu
[17:27] <MarkDude> my circle of friends is varied
[17:28] <MarkDude> the idea of all the circles - all overthe world - being the same? :P
[17:28] <iheartubuntu> my ubuntu calif circle is more of a pictogram than anything.
[17:29]  * iheartubuntu is blonde too. maybe that explains things
[17:29] <pleia2> MarkDude: how can all circles be the same? humanity is very diverse :)
[17:31] <jamiedmattingly> especially here in cali
[17:33] <iheartubuntu> do we have an SVG of the ubuntu california logo? the "info-sheet-california.svg" is missing some graphic, i assume is the ubuntu california logo
[17:33] <pleia2> the svg is on the logo page
[17:33] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Logo
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> great, thanks
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> so many important ubuntu web links i have floating around now :)
[19:50] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: Not name tags no. I have lanyards and CD holders.
[19:55] <pleia2> ^^ nhaines
[20:27] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck, pleia2: thanks.  I remember Canonical saying they were going to send out printable templates for nametags.  I was hoping to co-opt them for Ubucon.  :)
[20:28] <nhaines> I'm going to try hard to get an Android scheduling app out for Ubucon.  Maybe for SCaLE too while I'm at it.
[20:29] <akk> That would be cool! If it saves the schedule so it works offline, I'd use it.
[20:35] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: I came up with a draft idea for one but when my old laptop died it died with it...
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> More or less it was a calander reader
[20:37] <DarkwingDuck> You build a public calander with google and downloaded it via the app. THen you could star what you wanted to be a part of and it was give an alarm before it started.
[21:05] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[22:00] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: this is specifically for OpenConference, but I fail at git so I can't seem to grab the files.
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: git clone gitaddress


[02:30] <guiverc> @Leokolb or anyone else who knows, the issues with groovy daily ISOs not booting on BIOS boxes; does it apply to other flavors too?
[02:31] <guiverc> sorry I meant to say Lubuntu groovy daily ISOs won't boot, same with other flavors?
[04:14] <guiverc> xubuntu no boot either :(
[06:47] <RikMills> guiverc: is there a bug for that?
[06:49] <guiverc> RikMills, I filed it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1895267 which then was made duplicate of older 1886148 is active there recently (same issue that was solved for atime)
[06:50] <guiverc> sorry window opened & part of what I typed went wrong place,  ... s/active there/vorlon is active there/
[06:52] <RikMills> subbing


[08:02] <xu-irc66w> hello everyone. can anyone confirm bug #1940707?
[08:03] <xu-irc66w> very strange and frankly annoying behavior


[00:25] <BarkingFish> Morning ScottK!  Thanks for getting back to me on that kpackagekit bug - I was pretty sure by now that very very few people would be using it.  1204 is going to be LTS, and I'd imagine most people have probably applied updates to natty by now, which nuked kpackagekit :)
[00:27] <ScottK> BarkingFish: Right, but apper is just kpackagekit renamed, so it should be checked to see if it still has the bug.
[00:28] <BarkingFish> I was told it wasn't anymore, something about it not using packagekit or something - remember when I was moaning like hell about kpackagekit being taken out last year?
[00:28] <BarkingFish> Daniel told me apper wasn't kpackagekit :P
[00:29] <yofel> well, it's kpackagekit's successor and uses packagekit
[00:29] <yofel> and at least to me it didn't look all that different
[00:37] <ScottK> It definitely uses packagekit.
[01:41] <rbelem> yofel, i think it is ok to have both installed at the same time
[09:35] <Riddell> thanks Daskreech
[09:35] <Riddell> no
[09:36] <Riddell> thanks debfx
[09:36] <Riddell> I'm onto kde telepathy and still doing calligra for a backport
[10:11] <debfx> let's see if I still know how to prepare kde-l10n packages
[10:12] <Riddell> debfx: handy script in kubuntu-dev-tools n'est pas?
[10:13] <debfx> I think it's all in the kde-l10n-common branch
[10:13] <Riddell> oh could be
[10:32] <Riddell> "davmor2 extended their membership"  yay davmor2 still loves us!
[10:41] <davmor2> Riddell: indeed,  I have a play about half way through the release and post release and report any bugs I notice :)
[11:08] <peace> rbelem: ping
[11:15] <Riddell> yofel: did you get kde-workspace up?
[11:16] <yofel> I fixed a few things, someone else please re-review that
[11:25] <Riddell> ug random new qt build failure https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/3394590/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.qt4-x11_4%3A4.8.1-0ubuntu2%7Eoneiric1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:26] <Riddell> qt4-qmake no such file
[11:26] <Riddell> don't think I've seen that before
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: coming to akademy?
[11:28] <shadeslayer> afiestas: apachelogger Mamarok markey ^
[11:29] <markey> yeah I think I will come
[11:29] <markey> but I haven't booked anything so far
[11:30] <shadeslayer> same here ....
[11:30] <markey> apachelogger also said he'd like to attend
[11:30] <Mamarok> markey: did you send a mail to the board for sponsoring?
[11:30] <markey> nope
[11:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how many days will it take me to cover essential stuff in Scotland? :P
[11:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what what?
[11:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm planning to come to Scotland for touristy stuff :P
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:36] <ulysses> What must be done to make the K3b quicklist for Unity translatable? See bug #977948
[11:39] <debfx> ulysses: push the changes upstream and make sure that the kde l10n infrastructure can handle desktop actions
[11:45] <ulysses> debfx: thanks
[11:46] <ulysses> Next question: Calligra was updated to 2.4.0 in Precise, but the calligra-l10n-* packages are from 2.3.92, and none of them contains the actual translation, just the translation of documentation
[11:56] <debfx> ulysses: the actual translations are supposed to be in language-pack-kde-LANG or language-pack-kde-LANG-base
[11:56] <Riddell> I'll do the calligra-l10n bits today
[11:56] <Riddell> but that'll end up in language-packs as debfx says
[11:59] <debfx> Riddell: have you pinged dpm to include the calligra templates in our language packs?
[12:02] <Riddell> debfx: hmm no
[12:02] <Riddell> dpm: ping
[12:04] <ulysses> debfx: a patch was sent to upstream for K3b, but no changes yet: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296091
[12:05] <debfx> ulysses: ok, though reviewboard is usually a better place to submit patches
[12:07] <dpm> debfx, Riddell, hey, how can I help with those templates?
[12:07] <Riddell> dpm: are they in the language packs?
[12:08] <dpm> I don't know, is the source package in main and are the translations + templates uploaded as part of kde-l10n-*?
[12:09] <debfx> dpm: these templates should be put into the kde language packs: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra-l10n/+imports
[12:11] <dpm> debfx, the source package should create a .pot template during build, right now there is none, which is why the translations are blocked in the imports queue:
[12:11] <dpm> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra-l10n/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[12:29] <debfx> dpm, Riddell: so I guess calligra needs to create the .pot templates as calligra-l10n just contains the .po translation files
[12:31] <Riddell> mm
[12:31] <Riddell> I wonder what we did before with koffice
[12:32] <shadeslayer> yay, pbuilder-dist is working on the arm box again
[12:47] <rbelem> Peace-, pong
[12:58] <shadeslayer> ahh debfx fixed strigi symbols ...
[12:59] <Riddell> he's good like that
[12:59] <shadeslayer> I was working on that but pbuilder just refused to work on the arm box :P
[13:02] <Peace-> rbelem: have you seen the video?
[13:08] <Peace-> anyone around here?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Peace-, yeah , just hanging around , now and then :)
[13:17] <Peace->  BluesKaj have you 2 computer with linux and samba?
[13:17] <Peace-> s
[13:18] <BluesKaj> I did , but my other linux pc is in bad shape , think the mobo is kaput , Peace- , so i'm down to one linux pc atm
[13:19] <Peace-> BluesKaj: nothing then
[13:19] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :) tx anyway
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Peace-, I was using samba tho , and ssh
[13:20] <BluesKaj> what are you trying to do
[13:20] <Peace-> BluesKaj: for ssh you was using dolphin right?
[13:20] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well i haad a problem with samba on 2 computers
[13:20] <Peace-> i was not able to share stuff
[13:20] <Peace-> because an stupid error
[13:20] <Peace-> of
[13:20] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5sW2Xr7f5Q
[13:21] <BluesKaj> no , I was using the cli with X , then I would launch dolphin with usb-launch
[13:21] <BluesKaj> err dbus -launch
[13:22] <Peace-> i know that dolphin can handle ssh sharing stuff with libssh
[13:22] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:31] <Peace-> time to go bye
[13:37] <shadeslayer> aw man
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/74822.html : "Ubuntu officials even deflected the rising tide of user angst with Canonical's decision to pull the plug on Kubuntu ..."
[13:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that sentence feel incomplete, deflected how?
[14:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I really can't find a contact for that news site, their loss I guess
[14:58] <fregl> I just installed qt4-qmake:i386 - where does that end up? should I be able to build 32 bit apps on my 64 bit machine with that?
[15:00] <fregl> ah, linux32 seems to do the trick
[15:10] <fregl> meh, maybe not
[15:10] <Tm_T> I think you need more than that for cross-compiling (or what is that called)
[15:45] <rbelem> mgraesslin, heya :-)
[15:47] <rbelem> mgraesslin, may i commit this patch http://paste.kde.org/454958/ in the 4.8.2 branch?
[15:53] <mgraesslin> rbelem: no but you can backport e90f220260b04fbd1150e2800a0dd539d9e85f12 :-)
[15:55] <rbelem> mgraesslin, thanks :-D
[16:16] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-to-be-sponsored-by-blue-systems  ta da
[16:21] <DWonderly> Riddell: +1
[16:26] <GirlyGirl> Riddell: But isn't canonical still providing webservers and such. They still hold the Kubuntu trademark too
[16:27] <Riddell> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Blue-Systems-to-sponsor-Kubuntu-1518345.html
[16:27] <Riddell> http://www.muktware.com/news/3516/kubuntu-be-sponsored-blue-systems
[16:27] <jjesse> yay
[16:27] <Riddell> GirlyGirl: for now yes although I'd like to move to a web server we control because IS is pretty poor at being useful
[16:28] <Riddell> GirlyGirl: the trademark is unknown, if they say we can use it for commercial use that's fine but if not we might have to change the name
[16:28] <jjesse> congrats
[16:47]  * koolhead11 pokes v
[16:48] <koolhead11> Riddell, hey there
[16:48] <Riddell> hi
[17:38] <bulldog98> Riddell: +1
[17:40] <yofel> anyone want to take a look at rbelem's kde-workspace in ninjas? Otherwise I'll upload as it looks fine to me
[17:41] <yofel> rbelem: you have an FFe for that?
[17:41] <rbelem> yofel, there is a bug for that
[17:41] <yofel> which one? as it should be closed by the upload
[17:41] <rbelem> yofel, one minute
[17:42] <rbelem> yofel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-active-meta/+bug/956186
[17:44] <yofel> rbelem: why's that against meta and not workspace?
[17:44] <yofel> ScottK: ^
[17:57] <rbelem> Riddell, ^
[18:21] <debfx> yofel, rbelem: why do we need separate libkwinactive* packages?
[18:21] <debfx> are they used by anything other than kde-window-manager-active?
[18:22] <rbelem> debfx, to save space and it is used only by kde-window-manager-active
[18:22] <debfx> how does that save space?
[18:24] <rbelem> debfx, by installing only what kwinactive needs
[18:27] <yofel> I don't know whether it saves anything, maybe it does in rbelem's setup. And it doesn't break anything. But if you want to kill those nvidia packages I won't argue against you
[18:28] <rbelem> neither do i :-)
[18:28] <debfx> well if we don't install .so symlinks and they are only used by one package then put them into that package
[18:29] <debfx> oh
[18:29] <yofel> they're used by 2 packages actually
[18:29] <yofel> each
[18:29] <debfx> we now have 3 kwin variants
[18:29]  * debfx sighs
[18:30] <rbelem> debfx, four variants :-D
[18:30] <yofel> 4 actuallly, kwin, kwingles, active, activegles
[18:30] <debfx> what's the point of active?
[18:30] <rbelem> debfx, but kwinactive is a totally different creature :-)
[18:30] <rbelem> debfx, to be used by kubunt active
[18:31] <debfx> why doesn't that use activegles?
[18:31] <bulldog98> debfx: gles would be for arm
[18:31] <rbelem> debfx, it does not run on some hardware
[18:48] <bulldog98> rbelem: startactive does not start the kwinactive binary
[18:49] <rbelem> bulldog98, not yet
[18:49] <bulldog98> rbelem: why do you let me install it then :P
[18:49] <bulldog98> rbelem: should I fix it in kubuntu-active?
[18:50] <rbelem> bulldog98, but as soon it enters the repos i would start working on kubuntu-active-default-settings and plasma-active-default-settings
[18:51] <rbelem> bulldog98, yup :-)
[18:58]  * yofel wonders where apachelogger went missing
[19:06] <bulldog98> rbelem: I had fixed also some other stuff in startactive
[19:06] <rbelem> bulldog98, nice :-)
[19:06] <rbelem> bulldog98, upload to kubuntu-active ppa :-)
[19:06] <bulldog98> rbelem: done
[19:07] <rbelem> bulldog98, thanks :-)
[19:07]  * rbelem starts virtual machine
[19:12] <bulldog98> debfx: btw what’s about #973224
[19:12] <bulldog98> s/#/bug #/
[19:12] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "debfx: btw what’s about bug #973224"
[19:22] <Riddell> I'm due on podcast soon http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/uupc.mp3
[19:25] <bulldog98> could some one rebuild kdesdk for the archive with the kdesdk bzr branch to fix bug 973224
[19:27] <bulldog98> Riddell: ? ^
[19:36] <yofel> Riddell: you uploading? otherwise I'll do it
[19:44]  * yofel uploads
[19:46] <bulldog98> yofel: thanks
[19:54] <Riddell> did anyone listen to the podcast interview?
[19:56] <bulldog98> Riddell: yep was good
[19:56] <Riddell> phew :)
[19:56] <bulldog98> only the quality was a bit low :)
[19:56] <bulldog98> audio quality
[19:56] <Riddell> of my line or the podcast in general?
[19:57] <bulldog98> Riddell: of your line
[19:57]  * yofel listens now
[19:57] <yofel> that show sure seems worth billions
[19:57] <Riddell> bulldog98: hum, I just upgraded this line to fibre optic, I should get my money back!
[19:58] <yofel> quality is fine IMO
[19:58] <bulldog98> maybe I’m not good at judging quality of sound :)
[19:59] <yofel> let me rephrase, quality is fine for a podcast IMO
[19:59] <Riddell> does this say good stuff?  http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Nachrichten/Kubuntu-hat-einen-neuen-Sponsor
[20:04] <yofel> Riddell: did you say that the sponsoring lasts "while we can provide entertainment"?
[20:04] <yofel> only thing that sounds odd to me, otherwise about what everyone else said
[20:04] <yofel> bulldog98: what logo did they use before?
[20:05] <bulldog98> yofel: the old one
[20:05] <yofel> ah
[20:05] <Riddell> yofel: that on the german article?
[20:05] <yofel> yeah
[20:06] <Riddell> maybe not the best choice of words :)
[20:10] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/akonadi] Philip Muškovac * 44 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[20:16] <bulldog98> has someone thought about setting up a diaspora account for kubuntu?
[20:23] <Riddell> bulldog98: I'd prefer we got the kubuntu presence on popular social networking sites sorted first
[20:24] <Riddell> the internet is buzzing http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/04/kubuntu-announces-new-funding-partner/  http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/04/10/1639252/kubuntu-to-be-sponsored-by-blue-systems-rather-than-canonical
[20:30] <claydoh> hmm is there more info on who blue systems are?
[20:33] <tsimpson> claydoh: there's their website http://blue-systems.com/
[20:34] <claydoh> tsimpson: not much there
[20:58] <Quintasan> THIS IS
[20:59] <Quintasan> SPLENDID
[20:59] <ScottK> bulldog98: Did you send the kdesdk description change to Debian?
[20:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: How does one thank you for invoking some sponsorship magic?
[21:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[21:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: hugs are a good way :)
[21:00] <Quintasan> Where does one send beer?
[21:00]  * Quintasan hugs Riddell
[21:00] <Riddell> jriddell.org/contact.html :)
[21:01] <bulldog98> ScottK: not yet
[21:01] <ScottK> OK.  Don't forget.
[21:01] <bulldog98> how would I do that
[21:02] <ScottK> Write a note in permanent marker on your hand?
[21:02] <bulldog98> ScottK: I meen sending to Debian?
[21:02] <ScottK> Do you have access to their Git repo?
[21:03] <bulldog98> ScottK: don’t think so
[21:06] <Quintasan> oh yeah, so my exams start at 4th of May, after like 5 days I should be free
[21:06] <ScottK> We'll fix that.
[21:06] <ScottK> Quintasan: Stop listening to shadeslayer.
[21:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: No, seriously.
[21:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I presume you do have access to a TV with RTL channel or sth like that with news in German. Would it be possible for you to record one or two of these and upload them somewhere? I have been given an opportunity to get some extra grades from German in school and I thought it would be foolish not to try.
[21:08] <Quintasan> ScottK: Unless I fail I'm generally done after advanced physics exam
[21:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: not available online somewhere?
[21:09] <Quintasan> Else I have time to study until September so I can retake the exam, though I doubt it will happen
[21:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: Didn't have time to do any exensive googling
[21:09] <Quintasan> Doing maths all the time
[21:10] <Riddell> nudge some germans, bulldog98?
[21:11]  * bulldog98 doesn’t have a tv, so now records from me
[21:11] <bulldog98> ScottK: how do I get my ssh key to alioth?
[21:11] <yofel> ARD has the news available online at least
[21:12] <Quintasan> yofel: Thanks for the tip. I will take a look tomorrow.
[21:12] <yofel> Quintasan: http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/videoarchiv2.html on the right select what you want to watch from the dropdown list, click on anzeigen and watch something
[21:12] <bulldog98> zdf has some stuff online too
[21:12]  * Quintasan notes
[21:13] <Quintasan> I still have a vocabulary test to retake
[21:13] <Quintasan> durr
[21:13] <Quintasan> too much things pilled on at the end of the school year
[21:13] <Quintasan> curses
[21:13] <yofel> viel Spaß :P
[21:13] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU-
[21:13]  * Quintasan ragequit
[21:13] <yofel> :D
[21:14] <ScottK> bulldog98: So, to answer your question, you commit it to git in Debian.  If you have any doubts, ask them.
[21:15]  * Quintasan goes back to le vocabulary book
[21:15] <Quintasan> See you some time soon
[21:26] <toscalix> Riddell: congrats
[21:27] <Riddell> thanks toscalix :)
[21:27] <toscalix> your love for KDE and Kubuntu is amaizing
[21:27] <Tm_T> hmmm
[21:28] <toscalix> as a kubuntu user, let me tell you we are lucky to have you around
[21:28] <Riddell> at last, phoronix doing a kubuntu article that isn't just pasting IRC logs :) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4NTM
[21:28] <Tm_T> is that blue systems pic going to stay in the header of kubuntu.org?
[21:28] <toscalix> thanks for fighting so much for the distro
[21:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: in the banner?  no
[21:28] <Tm_T> good (:
[21:28] <toscalix> long live to kubuntu....or whatever we call it
[21:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: actually we should start making a banner for 12.04
[21:28] <Tm_T> ah, yes
[21:29] <Riddell> where's an artist when you need one?
[21:29] <toscalix> drinking backstage
[21:29] <toscalix> :-)
[21:29] <Tm_T> sleeping, it's well past midnight here
[21:29] <yofel> ~seen sheytan
[21:29] <kubotu> sheytan was last seen 17 days, 1 hour, 57 minutes and 43 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote host closed the connection)
[21:29] <yofel> hm
[21:31] <Riddell> anyone got his e-mail?
[21:32] <yofel> Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>according to http://madsheytan.blogspot.de/
[21:32] <bulldog98> ~seen sabdfl
[21:32] <kubotu> sabdfl was last seen 9 months, 1 day, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 5 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[21:33] <Tm_T> hmmm, he used to be here more often
[21:33]  * bulldog98 is of for bed, good night to all
[21:33] <yofel> gn8 bulldog98
[21:33] <Riddell> yofel: I'll e-mail him
[21:34]  * yofel will try to dig up apachelogger tomorrow to see what we do about the splash
[21:34] <Tm_T> good night all
[21:35] <yofel> I'm not sure whether there's anything left todo from the plymouth side. And I'll try to figure out how to adjust kdm
[21:36] <Riddell> yofel: has it been uploaded?
[21:36] <yofel> afaik not
[21:36] <Riddell> hmm getting late
[21:36] <yofel> yeah
[22:09] <Riddell> blog http://blogs.kde.org/node/4565
[22:18]  * yofel is off for today
[22:44] <rbelem> Riddell, \o/
[22:44] <rbelem> Riddell, awesome news
[22:45]  * tazz hugs Riddell
[22:45]  * tazz hugs rbelem
[22:45] <tazz> hugs for everyone \o/
[22:45] <tazz> :D
[22:46]  * rbelem hugs back tazz :-D
[22:47] <Riddell> thanks guys :)
[22:48]  * rbelem hugs tightly Riddell
[22:51]  * Riddell snoozes
[23:23] <Mamarok> Riddell: congrats :)
[23:52] <greyback> Riddell: good news, happy to hear it :)


[01:39] <rick_h_> snap-l jcastro so you guys all set for tomorrow ride wise?
[01:39] <rick_h_> don't need me to run over?
[01:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: Nah, I'm cool
[01:40] <snap-l> JoDee isn't going to class tomorrow, so I have a cara
[01:41] <snap-l> and jcastro is getting a ride from me
[01:41] <rick_h_> ok, cool
[01:41] <jjesse> hey kdis :)
[01:41] <jjesse> kids :)
[01:41] <snap-l> Thanks for checking, though
[01:43] <greg-g> jjesse: heya there!
[01:44] <jjesse> whats up greg-g
[01:46] <greg-g> not much, just working on my slides for tomorrow night's MUG meeting
[01:47] <jjesse> cool
[02:09] <jjesse> am i still online?
[02:12] <greg-g> appear to be
[02:22] <greg-g> not anymore
[02:23] <snap-l> jjessse: You are now offline. ;)
[02:26] <greg-g> hey, everyone who is going should say so here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/974/detail/   :)
[02:29] <greg-g> smoser: widox Blazeix _stink_ jcastro Wolfger ^^
[02:33] <jcastro> ON IT
[02:34] <jcastro> snap-l: good news craig bologna
[02:34] <jcastro> snap-l: I have a car, I can drive tomorrow if you want
[02:44] <slestak_netbook> hola guys.  got a tip there was a pretty avid pylons user lurking
[02:44] <slestak_netbook> been beating my head against the wall with a nosetest for an http post
[02:44] <rick_h_> heh, possibly
[02:44] <rick_h_> what's up?
[02:45] <brousch1> rick_h_ is the bizomb
[02:46] <slestak_netbook> helping out w rhodecode, a foss hgweb replacement
[02:46] <slestak_netbook> quashing a bug in the ldap auth module
[02:46] <slestak_netbook> while i was there, thought i would fill in some unittest stubs
[02:47] <slestak_netbook> i am not a webdev, but i am trying to pitch in
[02:47] <rick_h_> gotcha
[02:47] <slestak_netbook> this is pylons 1.0, using webhelpers forms
[02:47] <slestak_netbook> sec, cat
[02:48] <slestak_netbook> im getting an http 200 when i call self.app.post
[02:48] <slestak_netbook> ive checked routes and controller mapping pretty closely
[02:48] <rick_h_> ok, and you're expecting a 302 or something?
[02:49] <slestak_netbook> that is a redirect?
[02:49] <rick_h_> yea
[02:49] <slestak_netbook> im expecting the db to be updated,. but my dict of formdata is not being commited to the spqlite db
[02:49] <slestak_netbook> using sa
[02:50] <rick_h_> so things to check, if they're doing a redirect make sure you're getting the 302
[02:50] <rick_h_> if not, make sure they're not checking for a submit button or something in the POST values
[02:50] <slestak_netbook> i know im getting a 200
[02:50] <rick_h_> and you're note actually triggering the post
[02:50] <rick_h_> right, but are they redirecting?
[02:50] <slestak_netbook> lemme see
[02:50] <rick_h_> most forms do, so might be a sign there's something missing in the step
[02:51] <slestak_netbook>  https://bitbucket.org/slestak/rhodecode
[02:51] <rick_h_> k, but where am I looking ?
[02:52] <slestak_netbook> im looking, i didint know if you wanted it
[02:53] <slestak_netbook> yes, they are redirecting in the controller to ldap_home
[02:53] <rick_h_> file/line number?
[02:53] <rick_h_> controllers/?
[02:54] <slestak_netbook> https://bitbucket.org/https://bitbucket.org/slestak/rhodecode/src/3aa8ac731ad8/rhodecode/controllers/admin/ldap_settings.pyslestak/rhodecode/src/3aa8ac731ad8/rhodecode/controllers/admin/ldap_settings.py
[02:54] <slestak_netbook> that doesnt look right
[02:54] <slestak_netbook> admin/ldap_settings
[02:55] <slestak_netbook> im sry, i need to put kgardner to bed.  shes awaiting with book in hand
[02:55] <rick_h_> k
[02:56] <rick_h_> for when you get back:
[02:56] <rick_h_> from looking at this I'd say that you're getting an error of one sort of another
[02:56] <rick_h_> all of them are set to 'flash' so you should see them in the html of the response
[02:57] <rick_h_> so I'd log.debug(str(response) form your untit test
[02:57] <rick_h_> and see what's coming back at you
[02:57] <slestak_netbook> you can use the logger in nosetests too?  wasnt sure abt that
[02:57] <rick_h_> yea, just make sure to tell it to output log info
[02:58] <slestak_netbook> yeah, with -s
[02:58] <slestak_netbook> back in a bit
[02:58] <rick_h_>  nosetests --with-id -v -s -x --with-pylons test_psql.ini qmail_app/tests
[02:58] <rick_h_> is my usual nosetest command
[03:15] <snap-l> jcastro: I have a car as well
[03:15] <snap-l> I can still pick you up if you want
[03:26] <jcastro> ok
[03:28] <slestak_netbook> gonna add thaqt debug
[03:28] <rick_h_> slestak_netbook: you following what I mean?
[03:28] <slestak_netbook> i did some looking around github and bb and not a lot of projects fill in their testing
[03:29] <slestak_netbook> yeah, i think so.
[03:29] <rick_h_> heh, yea :(
[03:29] <rick_h_> but we all love people that add to testing :)
[03:30] <slestak_netbook> i see some tests that are setting the status in the post call
[03:30] <rick_h_> they do status=302?
[03:30] <slestak_netbook> https://bitbucket.org/russellballestrini/pylowiki/src/ab49079b3da4/pylowiki/tests/functional/test_login.py
[03:30] <slestak_netbook> yes
[03:30] <rick_h_> yea, that'll blow up if anytrhing but a 302 comes back
[03:31] <slestak_netbook> he doesnt have any asserts in there so i think its a wip
[03:31] <rick_h_> it's an auto assert
[03:31] <rick_h_> bonus for calling the request
[03:31] <rick_h_> I use that all the time
[03:32] <rick_h_> http://pythonpaste.org/webtest/#what-is-tested-by-default
[03:33] <rick_h_> man, this node.js thing is just too fast. Poor server goes boom
[03:35] <slestak_netbook> i need to find the hadle to log.  not available in my test harness as log.debug
[03:35] <rick_h_> you can also just print it
[03:36] <rick_h_> have to find the output
[03:36] <slestak_netbook> you find pylons old schoolers resistant to port to pyramid?
[03:36] <rick_h_> oh, log only shows with a failing test
[03:36] <rick_h_> so make sure you assert False
[03:36] <rick_h_> I'm not sure, work people are "ugh, learning another system"
[03:36] <rick_h_> but it's not like this is java
[03:36] <rick_h_> I don't know how adoption overall is going
[03:37] <slestak_netbook> this fellow i am helping i think has no desire to port
[03:41] <slestak_netbook> i think its trying to make me log in again
[03:42] <rick_h_> k, that might be
[03:42] <rick_h_> so you need to send auth or go through the login page first
[03:43] <slestak_netbook> i have a helper to login, i think i am just looking at the login link in the response
[03:43] <rick_h_> ah, ok
[03:43] <slestak_netbook> im looking at the ldap settings form
[03:44] <slestak_netbook> i can see the listboxes
[03:44] <rick_h_> k, look for a div/something with "flash"
[03:45] <slestak_netbook> i see that, there is no message to flash
[03:45] <slestak_netbook> the post was not valid, should not have the 200, so i know sth fouled up
[03:49] <slestak_netbook> thx for the assist.  im going to look at this a bit more and get some sleep
[03:50] <rick_h_> k, let me know if you find it
[04:36] <slestak_netbook> rick_h_: got it
[04:36] <slestak_netbook> i wasnt comleting enough of my form toget past validation
[04:37] <slestak_netbook> once i completely filled in param, it worked
[12:56] <brousch> rick_h_: did you sort our slestak last night?
[12:56] <brousch> sort out
[13:09] <greg-g> brousch: it looks like from the scroll back that rick_h_ helped and then slestak got it working in the end
[13:11] <brousch> cool
[13:12] <brousch> had some more pain trying to use unity last night
[13:13] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, think he got it
[13:13] <rick_h_> and fun on the unity pain
[13:14] <brousch> aptana pydev (eclipse) requires sun-java6. there is no sun-java6 in ubuntu any more. there's a ppa, but apparently it doesn't have 64 bit sun-java6. so it seemed to work with open-jdk, except only the Window menu shows up
[13:14] <rick_h_> my boss tried to install/get it and gets a blank screen on startup
[13:14] <rick_h_> he's a bit cranky
[13:15] <rick_h_> hah, so the solution is to not use aptana, come home to vim! :)
[13:15] <brousch> i had blank screens in 2 cases: nvidia-96 drivers (still not available) and a monitor that's not strictly supported
[13:15] <rick_h_> we haven't gotten you switched yet? Did you watch my screencasts?
[13:15] <brousch> i need eclipse for android if nothing else
[13:16] <brousch> i am memorizing vim shortcuts at the rate of 1/month ;)
[13:16] <rick_h_> move up to 1/wk
[13:16] <rick_h_> that's the trick
[13:16] <rick_h_> after a while you get your set
[13:16] <rick_h_> I find different people have slightly different sets
[13:17] <brousch> i learn one when something is annoying to do, like delete a very long line
[13:17] <brousch> or go to the bottom of a file
[13:18] <rick_h_> good ones I use a ton
[13:18] <rick_h_> dtX is another good know to have on hand
[13:19] <brousch> death trap?
[13:19] <rick_h_> dt[somechar]
[13:19] <rick_h_> delete up until you hit this character
[13:19] <greg-g> huh, neat
[13:19] <brousch> ah, nice
[13:20] <rick_h_> df[char] will include that character i the deletion
[13:21] <rick_h_> I tend to use dt though, have to always think about the f version
[13:21] <rick_h_> anyway, very useful in changeing a value in a csv, email addresses, things with stop characters like @,/ and such
[13:22] <brousch> how would i go the middle part of a long line?
[13:22] <brousch> gt?
[13:23] <rick_h_> f[somechar]
[13:23] <rick_h_> I tend to use that
[13:23] <rick_h_> pick a character in the middle and aim for it
[13:23] <rick_h_> ; will repeat the last f command
[13:23] <rick_h_> so in a csv, I might do f, and then hit ;;; until I get to the right field
[13:23] <brousch> is that a colon or semi-colon? my coffee-deprived eyes cannot tell
[13:23] <rick_h_> semi
[13:24] <rick_h_> don't like to have to use modifier keys, needs more keystrokes
[13:25] <brousch> yeah
[13:25] <brousch> and i'm a bad typist
[13:25] <snap-l> brousch: What's the link to your keyboard shotcut guide for UNity?
[13:26] <brousch> it was in one of jcastro's askubuntu threads
[13:26] <snap-l> Right, but you coallated it.
[13:27] <brousch> http://clusterbleep.net/files/Ubuntu_11.04_Unity_Cheat_Sheet.pdf
[13:27] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[13:27] <brousch> np
[13:27] <brousch> the askubuntu threads are in the footer of that
[13:28] <brousch> i like the desktop wallpaper version someone made
[13:28] <brousch> i can switch to an empty workspace and check it quickly
[13:29] <snap-l> Got a link to that as well? :)
[13:29]  * snap-l is cribbing resources together. ;P)
[13:29] <rick_h_> I smell MUG mtf reuse
[13:29] <rick_h_> /mtf/mtg
[13:29] <snap-l> *whistles*
[13:29] <snap-l> I'm totally giving Ben credit
[13:29] <brousch> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
[13:29] <rick_h_> it's all good, it's in the loco
[13:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: exactly. :)
[13:30] <brousch> jcastro compiled the commands. these are just different versions of his work
[13:32] <brousch> so make sure you give him credit ;)
[13:33] <snap-l> He'll be there, so he can take credit if he wants. ;)
[13:34] <Wolfger> dt should be easy to remember... "delete to". But that makes me want to think of df as "delete from", and it sounds like that's not what it does. :\
[13:34] <rick_h_> yea, df doesn't click with me like dt does
[13:34] <_stink_> i just think 'delete find'
[13:35] <_stink_> i use them about the same amount
[13:35] <rick_h_> yea, I mean it's kind of amazing how personal vim is
[13:35] <_stink_> but it's funny how different folks settle into different uses
[13:35] <_stink_> yeah
[13:35] <_stink_> that
[13:35] <rick_h_> there's a common base, but people do settle into their own uses
[13:46] <brousch> on the bright side, i do have my 12 wokspaces on unity now
[13:46] <brousch> and my system monitor
[13:47] <brousch> hm, i can boot into classic mode to see if the aptana menu issue is due to unity or openjdk
[14:00] <greg-g> 12?!
[14:05] <greg-g> though, I guess I do also, since I have 6 workspaces, but 2 monitors
[14:06] <brousch> i rarely use more than 6, but once in a while i use 10
[14:07] <rick_h_> I like having the limits. Once in a while I run out of space
[14:07] <rick_h_> but usually it's a sign to put something down/away
[14:07] <rick_h_> "I'll just leave this open and jump back to it in a min...well it's really going to be a while"
[14:07] <brousch> yeah, mine fill up with collections of chrome tabs for a specific meeting
[14:22] <jcastro> snap-l: just google for "power user guide unity"
[14:22] <rick_h_> ok, ppa talk written. Ugh, feels short
[14:23] <brousch> speak slowly
[14:23] <rick_h_> hah, well I have one slide that's "Story Time"
[14:23] <rick_h_> so will have to really go on during taht
[14:24] <brousch> are mug meetings recorded?
[14:25]  * rick_h_ skips that one
[14:25] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, I found that.
[14:26] <snap-l> jcastro: Just wanted to illuminate the hard work of Mr. West-side, brousch
[14:27] <snap-l> brousch: depends
[14:27] <jcastro> WEST SIDE!
[14:27] <jcastro> I like Grand Rapids, I would live there
[14:27] <snap-l> gib tries to record them / broadcast them
[14:27] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, I like GR
[14:27] <snap-l> save for the conservatives. ;)
[14:27] <brousch> apparently we have jobs here, too
[14:27] <snap-l> and American Pie
[14:28] <snap-l> That must be a current release over there.
[14:28] <snap-l> You're gonna love Kiss.
[14:28] <snap-l> ;)
[14:28] <brousch> we just started playing this new band on the radio, Rush i think it's called :P
[14:29] <brousch> i suspect it's oriented to frat boys and sorority girls
[14:30] <snap-l> I don't know if you've been at a Rush concert, but it is decidedly not sorority girls who attend.
[14:31] <snap-l> There's two types of women at Rush concerts: True fans, and "my SO dragged me here"
[14:31] <snap-l> The band has actually asked folks that if they're going to drag their non-Rush-loving partners to the show, to please not sit in the front row
[14:31] <brousch> so, old women and old wives?
[14:32] <snap-l> nothing in the world is more of a downer during a show than a cross-armed, stern looking female in the front row
[14:32] <brousch> it seems silly to drag someone to an expensive concert if they don't want to go
[14:32] <snap-l> brousch: I wouldn't go there if I were you.
[14:32] <snap-l> JoDee's a huge Rush fan too. :)
[14:37] <snap-l> This system that I'm testing requires me to use a different e-mail address (can't share e-mail addresses between accounts)
[14:37] <snap-l> I have 28 lines in my /etc/postfix/virtual file.
[14:40] <rick_h_> man, I could of sworn there was a pure python message queue thing when I checked out queues a while ago
[14:40] <rick_h_> can't find it for the life of me now
[14:42] <brousch> pymq?
[14:43] <rick_h_> no, looks like I'm thinking of beanstalkd which isn't python, just works with it
[14:43] <rick_h_> don't see anything pure python/memory
[14:43] <rick_h_> pymq requires mysql
[14:44] <rick_h_> hmm, but it is in the ubuntu repo so maybe I'll try it out again
[14:46] <rick_h_> oh yummy, node.js client
[14:49] <jrwren> ya'll talk too much :p
[14:49] <snap-l> jrwren: Shush
[14:50] <Wolfger> I believe the phrase you are looking for is "cork it, jrwren"
[14:51] <jrwren> *gasp*
[15:17] <jcastro> SNAP-L
[15:17] <jcastro> http://outloud.fm/Metalheads
[15:17] <jcastro> JOIN ME
[15:17] <jcastro> n0p: you too
[15:27] <snap-l> I'm sorry, but they only have sign-up via twitter or Facebook
[15:27] <snap-l> and I'm not giving my twitter creds to any application
[15:28] <snap-l> Thanks, though. :)
[15:28] <brousch> freetard!
[15:28] <snap-l> Pragmatic
[15:28] <Wolfger> secure
[15:28] <snap-l> I don't want some application to suddenly spam people about some service I signed up for 2 yars ago
[15:29] <snap-l> yars = pirate years.
[15:30] <brousch> https://twitter.com/settings/applications
[15:30] <brousch> revoke it
[15:34] <snap-l> brousch: Honestly, sites that only accept twitter / facebook, and don't support openID need to suck it
[15:35] <brousch> i have heard those options pitched to startups as the best way to get people to signup
[15:38] <snap-l> If best way you mean the way to keep curmudgeons out, then yes, it's the best way.
[15:39] <Wolfger> brousch: As a startup, you are a fool not to have those options.... but don't make those your only options.  I got the front page.
[16:06] <brousch> i got a melting anvil
[16:07] <_stink_> hah, didn't even notice what that was
[16:09] <jcastro> snap-l: where are you? we need your input
[16:09] <jcastro> http://outloud.fm/Metalheads#
[16:10] <brousch> that made me laugh outloud
[16:17] <snap-l> jcastro: Have you read the above? :)
[16:17] <jcastro> ugh
[16:17] <snap-l> Seriously, not signing into a service that requires twitter or facebook to join
[16:17] <jcastro> you suck
[16:17] <snap-l> jcastro: Yes, yes I do
[16:18] <jcastro> but yeah, that does suck
[16:22] <snap-l> Anyone know of any location for small m4v files?
[16:22] <snap-l> I need something less than 600K
[16:26] <brousch> location?
[16:26] <snap-l> Place where one might find said files.
[16:27] <snap-l> I'm trying archive.org, but finding something that granular is proving difficult.
[16:27] <brousch> i can easily make some
[16:27] <brousch> you want like a 10 second clip at full res, or a downsized longer clip?
[16:28] <snap-l> Something that will show up on an iPhone, 10 seconds is fine
[16:28] <snap-l> and something that I can distribute. ;)
[16:28] <jcastro> how is the internet at the new mug place?
[16:28] <snap-l> jcastro: Spotty
[16:28] <snap-l> some times it's fine, and othertimes it's non-existent
[16:28] <snap-l> andif Gib is broadcasting, it turns to shit.
[16:29] <_stink_> hah
[16:29] <snap-l> Big Blue Button is neat, but it totally blue-balls the internet.
[16:30] <brousch> geez, even that 8 second intro from yesterday is 3MB
[16:31] <jrwren> snap-l: I can make you a small 600k m4v if you like
[16:31] <snap-l> The more the merrier
[16:31] <jrwren> what bitrate would you like?
[16:31] <snap-l> Whatever an iPhone will accept
[16:31] <jrwren> snap-l: if you just want to try a stream: http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/sp.mp4 is what I was experimenting with for iphone. but its a reasonably large file.
[16:32] <jrwren> iphone will accept pretty much any bitrate.
[16:32] <snap-l> Has to be under 600K, unfortunately
[16:32] <brousch> what video is under 600k?
[16:32] <brousch> must be 5 frames
[16:32] <snap-l> brousch: really shitty videos
[16:32] <jrwren> why under 600k?
[16:32] <snap-l> It's a size requirement for the system I'm testing
[16:33] <snap-l> Whichis fine for animated gif files, and even some mp3 files
[16:33] <snap-l> but for video, it's a real PITA
[16:34] <snap-l> tried using ffmpeg, but I don't think it has a m4v encoder.
[16:34] <jrwren> m4v is just a container ya know.
[16:34] <jrwren> and signifies that it is probably iphone compat
[16:35] <jrwren>  http://delays.xmtp.net/~jrwren/sp600.m4v
[16:35] <brousch> you can just rename a .mp4 to m4v
[16:36] <snap-l> brousch: Are they  equivalent
[16:36] <jrwren> its just a file ext.
[16:36] <jrwren> its meaningless.
[16:37] <snap-l> jrwren: hah. :)
[16:37] <jrwren> its true.
[16:37] <snap-l> (just downloaded what you encoded)
[16:37] <jrwren> here... let me change it to mpg.
[16:37] <jrwren> it will work.
[16:37] <jrwren> snap-l: oh... HA! :)
[16:37] <jrwren> snap-l: yeah, I was surprised about what I got for 600k :)
[16:37] <snap-l> Actually, it's 615K
[16:38] <jrwren> sorry.
[16:38] <snap-l> np
[16:38] <jrwren> i told it 600000
[16:38] <snap-l> Actually, let me try something
[16:38] <jrwren> ffmpeg must not count the header.
[16:38] <jrwren> you want to smaller?
[16:38] <snap-l> Just created a blender animation
[16:38] <jrwren> or you can do it yourself with this
[16:38] <jrwren> ffmpeg -i input.avi -acodec aac -ab 128k -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800k -mbd 2 -flags +mv4+aic -trellis 1 -cmp 2  -subcmp 2 -s 320x180 -metadata title=X -strict experimental -threads 2 -fs 600000 output.m4v
[16:38] <jrwren> remove the -fs 600000 to do the whoel file.
[16:38] <snap-l> I have a mp4 file that is 15K
[16:38] <jrwren> change the -fs 600000 to -fs 590000 to get less than 600k
[16:39] <snap-l> might just rename it to m4v and see what happens
[16:39] <snap-l> since it appears m4v is just Apple's proprietary extensions for mp4
[16:39] <snap-l> (which would figure)
[16:39] <snap-l> Thank you, though. I really appreciate it!
[16:41] <brousch> jrwren: nice ffmpeg command
[16:42] <brousch> hm, does that make h264 or mpeg4?
[16:45] <brousch> i should say, does it make mpeg4 part 2 or mpeg4 part 10 (h264) video?
[16:47] <brousch> jrwren: i think your command makes mpeg4 part 2 video. you need the libx264 vcodec for h264
[16:48] <brousch> check out http://h264.code-shop.com/trac/wiki/Encoding#Ffmpegx264profileBaselinelevel3.0iPhone
[16:49] <snap-l> Oh, very nice.
[18:18] <snap-l> brousch: I will eat your children.
[18:18] <snap-l> "Will it be televised?"
[18:19] <brousch> i wanted the twitters to know about it
[18:19] <snap-l> heh
[18:19] <brousch> and gave you the opportunity to post a link to the video stream (if it exists)
[18:19] <snap-l> Hopefully it will, on someone's 4G myfi
[18:19] <snap-l> sadly, it'll likely cream the bandwidth of the ESD
[18:20] <brousch> dangit
[18:26] <snap-l> BTW: http://openmetalcast.com/2011/06/14/open-metalcast-episode-23-fighting-narwhals/
[18:31] <brousch> what weapon do you use to fight a narwhal?
[18:38] <snap-l> Anger
[18:41] <brousch> despite all your rage, you're still just a narwhal in a tank
[18:42] <jrwren> brousch: shit, you are right... but iphone plays it :)
[18:43] <jrwren> brousch: but TY so much... I can probably do much better and have less Xfer if I move to h264
[18:43] <brousch> i use mpeg4 as my "works everywhre" codec
[18:43] <jrwren> why not h264?
[18:44] <brousch> editing h264 drives some editor bonkers
[18:45] <brousch> at least last time i tried them (openshot, kdenlive, pitivi, cinelerra, etc)
[18:45] <brousch> they all work well with mpeg4 part 2
[18:47] <jrwren> brousch: what is crazy is that x264 you linked actually encodes faster than the mpeg4p2 that i was using.
[18:48] <jrwren> oh wait, no. just started out faster.
[18:48] <jrwren> oh EDITORS.
[18:48] <jrwren> but if i only care about playback, then h264 is great.
[18:48] <brousch> right
[18:48] <brousch> and i think editing has improved in the last year
[18:49] <brousch> i think that encoder is a two pass, so it does a quick pass then a slower one
[18:51] <jrwren> all with 1 ffmpeg command?
[18:51] <jrwren> usually you have to -pass 1 and -pass 2
[18:51] <jrwren> but I'm more of a mencoder guy.
[18:51] <jrwren> this move to ffmpeg is new to me.
[18:52] <brousch> you're right, i don't see 2 passes there
[18:53] <brousch> i used to use encoder, but i had too many instances of audio getting out of sync with the video
[18:53] <brousch> mencoder
[18:59] <jrwren> i never had that
[19:00] <jrwren> i just never found a good iphone compat h264 cmd line
[19:33] <snap-l> And good evening
[19:33] <snap-l> er, afternoon
[19:35] <snap-l> I have used a lorem generator today
[19:35] <snap-l> I feel accomplished.
[19:35] <jrwren> the one built into MSWORD?
[19:36] <snap-l> No, a website
[19:37] <snap-l> But that's interesting
[19:39] <jrwren> brousch: actually, the h264 is about 2fps faster than mpeg4v2 that i was using.
[19:39] <jrwren> 16 v 14fps.
[19:39] <jrwren> E8500 used to be fast, LOL
[19:42] <brousch> the playback is faster or the encoding?
[19:43] <devinheitmueller> jrwren: were you able to find a m4v file that met your needs?
[19:55] <rick_h_> man, so close, but postgresql still hates me today
[19:56] <brousch> see, it's not just mysql
[19:57] <rick_h_> heh, ah true
[19:57] <brousch> you should switch to mongo!
[19:57] <rick_h_> but at least I'm trying to do something you can't do in mysql
[19:57] <rick_h_> create custom group aggregate functions without writing C
[19:58] <brousch> ug, so if i'm writing docs in rst, should i add line breaks at 80 characters?
[19:59] <brousch> pita to chage a word in the middle of a paragraph
[19:59] <rick_h_> gq
[20:01] <brousch> how do i specify what is a paragraph?
[20:01] <rick_h_> I just v to highlight the line/next
[20:02] <rick_h_> you can do paragraphs with { or something I think
[20:02] <brousch> hm, i'll give this a try
[20:03] <rick_h_> http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2004/programme/paper-SMyers/Linux_2004_slides/vim_tips/#slide15
[20:03] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: I was looking, and yes, i think I found something that worked.
[20:03] <snap-l> Thanks!
[20:03] <devinheitmueller> np
[20:03] <devinheitmueller> If you've got copyright/redistribution issue, let me know and I can record some colorbars for you in an ipod compatible format.
[20:04] <snap-l> Actually, if you would send me that, that would be great
[20:04] <devinheitmueller> I can do it after the MUG meeting tonight.
[20:04] <snap-l> the file i sent to the ipod came across as unknown when sent via MMS
[20:04] <snap-l> Awesome. Thanks!
[20:04] <devinheitmueller> You want that in NTSC?  or PAL?
[20:05] <devinheitmueller> Also, what resolution do you want?
[20:06] <snap-l> heh
[20:07] <snap-l> NTSC, suitable for an iPhone
[20:07] <snap-l> (I have NFC what res an iphone handles)
[20:07] <devinheitmueller> ok
[20:08] <brousch> ah, it's one of those things i have to type really fast to make work right
[20:10] <brousch> rick_h_: nice, gqap seems to do what i need
[20:10] <jrwren> i encode 320x180 for iphone
[20:11] <brousch> i can tell you what imovie spits out for its "iphone" format
[20:12]  * snap-l wishes he had a mac to make this much easier
[20:13] <brousch> 480x270, h264, aac, bitrate 894
[20:14]  * rick_h_ winds up to smack snap-l
[20:14] <rick_h_> where's the trout when you need one
[20:14] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh, pshaw
[20:14] <devinheitmueller> You should be able to do 640x480 on the iphone.
[20:14] <snap-l> Hell, with the retina display, I thikn you could do full HD.
[20:14] <devinheitmueller> Handbrake has all the presets for the various devices.  Will reboot into my mac.  one minute...
[20:14] <snap-l> it would just be REAALLLLLYYYY TINY
[20:15] <brousch> here's your target according to imovie: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Screen%20shot%202011-06-14%20at%203.14.25%20PM.png
[20:15] <brousch> yeah, the 270 probably depends on the original file's aspect ratio
[20:16] <devinheitmueller> Ok, so iphone is indeed 480x272
[20:16] <devinheitmueller> ipod is 320x176
[20:16] <snap-l> interesting
[20:16] <devinheitmueller> bitrate varies by device.
[20:17] <devinheitmueller> ipod=700, iphone/ipod touch=960, iphone 4 and ipad = 2500
[20:18] <brousch> devinheitmueller: are you getting this from a web page?
[20:19] <devinheitmueller> I'm just clicking through the handbrake presets.
[20:19] <brousch> because that's usefull info you're spouting ;)
[20:19] <devinheitmueller> I cannot cite them as "authoritative" as it's possible that the HandBrake people didn't follow the Apple specs.  But it's "reliable enough".
[20:20] <brousch> reliable is better than authoritative
[20:20] <brousch> aka theoretical
[20:20] <devinheitmueller> Don't I know it.  :-)
[20:21] <devinheitmueller> Also, I can cheat.  I built a hardware product which encodes arbitrary video to iPod format in realtime.
[20:21] <devinheitmueller> so, for example, to prep snap-l's colorbars video, I just have to plug my signal generator into the s-video port of the device, and out comes a file suitable for the iPod/iPad.
[20:22] <snap-l> Oh, nice.
[20:22] <brousch> geez
[20:22] <rick_h_> that definitely sounds like cheating
[20:22] <devinheitmueller> Yup.
[20:23] <devinheitmueller> Of course in fairness, I had to make the product work in the first place, in which time I probably could have transcoded a few thousand videos via handbrake.  ;-)
[20:23] <devinheitmueller> http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_broadway.html
[20:25] <snap-l> broadway the not-so-hard way.
[20:27] <brousch> does it work on linux?
[20:28] <snap-l> It's an embedded device
[20:28] <devinheitmueller> it's a network enabled product.  It doesn't connect directly to a PC.
[20:29] <devinheitmueller> If you click on the gallery, you will see a picture that shows a network diagram.
[20:29] <Milyardo> not sure if trolling, or serious
[20:29] <devinheitmueller> Milyardo: pardon?
[20:29] <Milyardo> @brousch
[20:30] <devinheitmueller> It *should* work with Linux, but it's not really tested.
[20:30] <devinheitmueller> In theory, it should even work with MythTV (as it implements the HD-HomeRun network protocol)
[20:35] <devinheitmueller> probably one of the biggest challenges under Linux is that it delivers H.264 video, and many Linux browsers don't support it.  That said, I developed large portions of it from my Linux desktop, using VLC for the actual playback.
[21:07] <greg-g> home time, then travel to MUG time
[21:12] <rick_h_> woot
[21:18] <brousch> we were just playing with wolfram alpha. it s sriously cool http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%284%2F3+*+%28a%2Bb%29%29+%3D+%28a%2B3b%29
[21:22] <jrwren> brousch: is that imovie 894 bitrate a&v or just video + 128audio or what?
[21:23] <brousch> jrwren: that was audio and video, codecs chosen by imovie for their iphone export preset
[21:23] <jrwren> cool.
[21:24] <jrwren> do you know how they balance the a/v?  is it 798video 96 audio? or other?
[21:24] <brousch> so according to devinheitmueller's earlier comment, the 894 fits just under the 960 max bitrate for iphone
[21:24] <brousch> jrwren: i think it's 128bit audio
[21:25] <devinheitmueller> Which format do you want to know?
[21:25] <devinheitmueller> ipod is 700/160
[21:25] <jrwren> i'm trying a 96bit aac and 400bit video.  i want to see if I notice the difference
[21:25] <devinheitmueller> iphone is 960/128
[21:25] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: according to whom?
[21:27] <devinheitmueller> again, handbrake
[21:27] <devinheitmueller> These are defaults.  audio bitrates tend to be configurable.
[21:28] <brousch> devinheitmueller: do you know of a source for info like that for android devices?
[21:29] <devinheitmueller> brousch: no, the presets in handbrake are just for Apple products.
[21:29] <devinheitmueller> There can be much more variance in Android supported formats, since there are many different processors used in those devices.
[21:29] <devinheitmueller> (each with different max bitrates)
[21:29] <brousch> right
[21:30] <devinheitmueller> That said, it's entirely possible that Google publishes such a guide with best practices - I do not know.
[21:30] <brousch> ok
[21:31] <devinheitmueller> Well, well.  Look what a google search for "android audio video bitrates" comes back with as its first hit....
[21:31] <devinheitmueller> http://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html
[21:31] <devinheitmueller> recommendations at the bottom of the page.
[21:35] <jrwren> i checked out handbrake, but I did not see any video bitrates specified
[21:35] <jrwren> https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/BuiltInPresets#iphone    <-- no video bitrate that I can find.
[21:36] <jrwren> but that is still just handbrakes defaults... which is great to use as a reference.
[21:36] <jrwren> so far I'm very happy with my 400/96 encode.
[21:36] <jrwren> I never dreamed of the day I'd have enough outgoing bandwidth to stream thiskind of thing, but ty comcast.
[21:37] <devinheitmueller> If you run the GUI, you can click on the various modes and then see what their underlying settings translate to.
[21:37] <devinheitmueller> (including bitrates)
[21:37] <jrwren> right, but I do not thing the UI is telling the truth.
[21:37] <jrwren> I guess I'm saying I trust the docs more than I trust the UI.
[21:37] <jrwren> which is probably foolish.
[21:37] <jrwren> you can ask the UI to show you the CLI, can't you. I'd trust that ;)
[21:38] <jrwren> also, I don't know waht handbrake UI are you suing.
[21:38] <jrwren> but mine does not show video bitrate for iphone.
[21:38] <devinheitmueller> I haven't looked at the command line docs, but I bet "-X" is the video bitrate, and "-B" is the audio bitrate for each channel.
[21:38] <jrwren> it shows "constant quality.
[21:38] <jrwren> -B is audio, yes.
[21:38] <jrwren> -X is NOT
[21:38] <jrwren> you can handbrakeCLI --help 2>&1|less and find what -X does.
[21:39] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, I'm not in front of a Linux box, so no I cannot.  That said, I bet the bitrate is in there.
[21:39] <jrwren> its not.
[21:39] <jrwren> i am in front of both windows and linux and I checked :)
[21:39] <jrwren> handbrake uses variable bitrate with a quality setting of 60% aka, -q 20
[21:40] <jrwren> see the -q option of HandbrakeCLI
[21:47] <brousch> jrwren: can you specify a profile to use? my guess is iphone targets the same profile as android, Baseline Profile
[21:48] <brousch> doesn't look like it
[21:51] <brousch> h264 really hurts me mind
[21:51] <devinheitmueller> brousch: welcome to my world.  :-)
[21:52] <brousch> oh, i waded around in it for a while a year or so ago
[21:52] <brousch> now i just let avidemux do it for me
[21:54] <brousch> this page seems very nformative https://sites.google.com/site/linuxencoding/x264-encoding-guide
[21:59] <jrwren> i dont' know anything about android.
[21:59] <jrwren> but I'd imagine it is just like iphone but supports more options :)
[22:00] <brousch> well they both support baseline profile
[22:00] <jrwren> weird use of mplayer instead of mencoder on that site.
[22:00] <jrwren> i don't even know what "baseline profile" means
[22:00] <brousch> which defines a bunch of constraints
[22:00] <brousch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles
[22:01] <devinheitmueller> that's really the challenge.  Typically those devices support a *subset* of the available profiles, and expect the content preparer to meet those expectations.
[22:02] <jrwren> oh, well that one you linked for iphone is at least HiP I think.
[22:02] <jrwren> i see 8x8 and 4x4 options.
[22:02] <brousch> i'm gonna flee before my head asplodes
[22:03] <jrwren> yeah, i don't really case about the details.
[22:03] <jrwren> i just want low bitrate high quality on my phone :)
[22:03] <jrwren> and I have that. HURRAY!
[23:29] <rick_h_> Blazeix: dude
[23:29] <greg-g> here we go!
[23:29] <rick_h_> watch out...dude
[23:31] <Blazeix> good luck!
[23:32] <rick_h_> Blazeix: finally heard back from the js uuid libary guy
[23:32] <rick_h_> he says he's not interested in adding v3 support
[23:42] <Blazeix> yeah, not too surprised. I don't think any of his algorithms actually hashed user input.
[23:42] <Blazeix> it was more of the 'random generator' kind
[23:43] <rick_h_> right, well it's all the other uuid specs :(
[23:43] <rick_h_> moved on, but figured I'd let you know since you went down that path


[18:23] <willwh> yo
[18:23] <willwh> so liquidsoap pretty much rockin' my world
[18:23] <willwh> :D
[23:07] <azend> BobJonkman: seems to be a lot of "discussion" on the mailing list lately ;D
[23:07] <BobJonkman> :)
[23:08] <azend> I'm surprised we're having these issues actually
[23:08] <BobJonkman> Whose fault is that?  O:-)
[23:08] <BobJonkman> It comes up in every mailing list I've ever been on
[23:09] <BobJonkman> Anyway, getting ready to go to KWLUG. You coming?
[23:09]  * BobJonkman is offering a ride back
[23:09] <azend> I would have thought the linux community would be a bit more tolerant of other people's social opinions and norms
[23:09] <azend> BobJonkman: thanks but I have a car now :D
[23:09] <azend> all payed for by myself
[23:09] <BobJonkman> W00T!
[23:09] <BobJonkman> So, no excuses
[23:09] <azend> also I had no idea KWLUG was tonight
[23:09] <azend> when and where?
[23:10] <BobJonkman> Straight down Woodlawn road until you get there
[23:10] <azend> I'm in KW
[23:10] <BobJonkman> 7pm tonight, 97 Victoria St., corner of Weber
[23:10] <azend> so the Communitech up?
[23:10] <BobJonkman> http://kwlug.org
[23:10] <azend> hub?
[23:10] <azend> ah ok
[23:10] <BobJonkman> Nope, about 15 minute walk from there
[23:11] <azend> Well, I guess I should make an appearance there at some point
[23:11] <azend> tonight is as good as any I guess :)
[23:12] <azend> BobJonkman: how long do they usually run?
[23:12] <BobJonkman> 7 to 9.
[23:12] <azend> kk
[23:12] <BobJonkman> With a post-meeting meeting at Firking at the Tannery
[23:12] <BobJonkman> No g
[23:13] <BobJonkman> Anyway, AFK, packing up now


[10:43] <_ion> mbiebl: Hi. Did you receive my message?
[10:43] <mbiebl> yeah
[10:45] <mbiebl> I'm looking at it atm.
[10:45] <_ion> Thanks
[10:45] <mbiebl> And already filed a bug against pkg-config
[10:46] <mbiebl> ;-)
[10:46] <mbiebl> Seems as if pkg-config --variable handlersdir deskbar-applet is not working on Debian/Ubuntu
[10:48] <_ion> Hm, worksforme. Anyway, the change i did in the attached diff.gz doesn't need it. I thought it isn't necessary to build-depend on the whole deskbar-applet package when all you need is the knowledge of the dir /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers.
[10:50] <mbiebl> What platform are you using?
[10:56] <_ion> Feisty on plain x86
[10:57] <mbiebl> Had some problems loading the deskbar-applet on feisty
[10:58] <mbiebl> Which needs a small patch to fix.
[11:03] <_ion> Both deskbar-applet and the plugin from the tracker 0.5.4 package work for me.
[11:08] <mbiebl> Yeah, because you precompile tracker-handler.py.
[11:09] <_ion> in postinst, yes.
[11:09] <mbiebl> If you only install the python file it will complain that the file has a wrong encoding and it doesn't load the applet.
[11:13] <mbiebl> There are also two lintian warnings, which are simple to fix.
[11:13] <mbiebl> Besides that, your patch looks fine.
[11:20] <mbiebl> Oh, one thing though: libdeskbar-applet is Architecture:all