[00:11] <Omega> oh, he's a webdev?
[00:11] <Muscovy> So it seems.
[00:12] <Omega> Also, I'm also 17 :>
[00:14] <Omega> Also, cms's are nice, but sometimes you don't need one.
[00:26] <Muscovy> I felt that way.
[00:27] <Muscovy> But I've been to busy to make the website nice.
[00:27] <Muscovy> It's good to have some fresh perspective in there.
[00:27] <Muscovy> "You’ve only got one life but you can pick up another five causes on any street corner."
[00:29] <Omega> and by sometimes, I mean most of the time
[00:29] <Omega> We won't have that much content to manage
[00:34] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[00:35] <Muscovy> By the way, I figured you were in your 20s or something.
[00:35] <Omega> And we'll have to keep up with updates and stuff
[00:35] <Omega> I get that sometimes (:
[00:35] <Omega> I don't think it's a good idea to have a CMS/
[00:36] <Muscovy> I'd still like to see what he has in mind though.
[00:44] <Omega> Mhm.
[06:28] <webrsk> happy morning :)
[19:37] <UndiFineD> ;) MichealH
[19:41] <MichealH> heh
[19:41] <MichealH> Im not up at 3 in the morning!
[19:42] <MichealH> tut tut tut
[19:56] <UndiFineD> i am


[00:32] <stochastic> Hey ScottL you pinged me earlier
[00:33] <ScottL> oh yeah :)
[00:33] <stochastic> got time to talk?
[00:33] <ScottL> yes, certainly
[00:33] <ScottL> i was wondering if you were going to lead the website update
[00:34] <ScottL> or what level of involvement you were planning
[00:35] <ScottL> i will need to manage a lot of stuff and i was hoping you could take a sizable portion of the website update
[00:36] <ScottL> i would expect to help with content however
[00:38] <ScottL> i did look at the website and it looks like you have already been busy
[00:38] <ScottL> i think it was last night that i looked
[00:40] <ScottL> stochastic, are you there?
[00:40] <ScottL> oh, i didn't tell you that randall from the vancouver loco is my roommate (at least i don't think i've told you already)
[00:40] <stochastic> oh, sorry, was writing an e-mail
[00:40] <ScottL> hehe, no problem
[00:40] <ScottL> i'm working on the wiki myself ;)
[00:41] <stochastic> sizeable would be an apt word to describe what I can help with on the website
[00:42] <stochastic> say hi to randall for me
[00:42] <stochastic> do you have a draft for the tour that you were thinking of?
[00:44] <stochastic> 1.install, 2.basic operation & GNU 3.audio apps or audio config 4.audio apps or audio config  5. video apps 6. Graphics apps 8.Community
[00:44] <stochastic> ScottL, ^^
[00:44] <ScottL> my thought was an introduction to people unfamiliar with ubuntu studio or ubuntu (or perhaps linux) that would entice them to try it
[00:45] <ScottL> do you think perhaps a "feature tour" _and_ a "what is ubuntu studio" might be in order?
[00:46] <ScottL> oh, i also read the irc log and aiolo's comments about the -controls update was meant for people who "upgrade" from ubuntu i think
[00:47] <ScottL> stochastic, did you see the primilinary release planning?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[00:47] <ScottL> please make any changes you feel are necessary
[00:47] <ScottL>
[00:47] <ScottL> this cycle will be different from previous cycles
[00:48] <ScottL> perhaps because we are more involved but also because canonical are doing things different
[00:48] <ScottL> the release manager has changed how our progress is tracked
[00:48] <ScottL> we will be filing blueprints for our goals for this cycle and she will track that progress automatically
[00:48] <ScottL> it's actually quite cool
[00:48] <ScottL> plus also motivated to have it all organized and tracked
[00:49] <ScottL> if you are intersted in seeing it:  status.ubuntu.com
[00:49] <ScottL> ubuntu studio isn't there because we didn't get into this last cycle
[00:49] <ScottL> the flip side to this is that the team really needs to be serious and commitments not made lightly
[00:50] <ScottL> if someone commits to getting something done this cycle, we should really try to honor it
[00:51] <ScottL> i also hope that we can take reasonable responsibilities and actually might assume less that we think we can accomplish
[00:52] <stochastic> wonderful.
[00:52] <stochastic> :)
[00:53] <ScottL> i really am excited about this
[00:53] <ScottL> it should help us get organized, plan, and keep honest about doing stuff :)
[00:53] <ScottL> this is kinda why i'm pushing the preliminary release planning page ;)
[00:54] <stochastic> good
[00:55] <stochastic> let's get an official (bi)weekly time setup to check into that plan soon
[00:55] <ScottL> maybe we should get commitments from people and let that determine where we are at on the plan
[00:55] <ScottL> good idea
[00:56] <ScottL> i also want to start hitting stuff pretty hard fast to get stuff done
[00:56] <ScottL> perhaps we don't put the website as an "official" thing to get done this cycle, we can still do it of course but it won't look bad if we don't then
[00:56] <ScottL> but maybe we should to get it bloody well done
[00:56] <stochastic> we're getting it done.
[00:57] <stochastic> It was being discussed last cycle I was around.
[00:57] <stochastic> It's starting to become 'now or when.....?'
[00:57] <ScottL> lol, yeah i know
[00:58] <ScottL> me and holstein were saying that _anything_ would be better than what it currently is actually
[00:58] <stochastic> I look forward to you just filling in spots around the new webpage when you're bored.
[00:59] <ScottL> i wanted to also update some of the application names as well
[01:00] <ScottL> back to the feature vs introduction pages, do you have an opinion?
[01:00] <stochastic> yes, have you seen the approach I'm taking with application listings on the new site?
[01:00] <ScottL> i saw a list to the package set, is there something else?
[01:01] <stochastic> http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/audio-packages/ <- this is the most developed so far
[01:01] <stochastic> Just highlighting certain major apps as an intro
[01:02] <stochastic> were you wanting to see it more based off those task/workflow charts?
[01:02] <stochastic> or is that intended to be near the tour?
[01:03] <ScottL> well...two things, i guess
[01:03] <ScottL> the introduction isn't meant to be too broad or too specific, just like a 30 sec commercial on television and mention the highlights
[01:03] <ScottL> i suppose it would mention
[01:03] <ScottL> 1. fl/oss and based on ubuntu
[01:04] <ScottL> 2. uses the powerfull and flexible jack as the sound server
[01:04] <ScottL> 3. harneses the power of ardour
[01:04] <ScottL> 4a.  maybe mention 200+ plugins
[01:04] <ScottL> or
[01:05] <ScottL> 4b. mention blender for 3d animations and video editing
[01:05] <stochastic> combine 4a and 3
[01:05] <ScottL> aye!  good call
[01:05] <ScottL> and maybe mention inkscape for scalable vector graphics
[01:06] <ScottL> but for each item i would not expect more than a short paragraph
[01:06] <ScottL> and i thought an image would be nice to add to it
[01:06] <ScottL> s/it/each page
[01:07] <ScottL> kinda like you did for you loco presentation (which randall mentioned the other day)
[01:07] <ScottL> at some point, stochastic, i would like get your input on the work flows and what we will do with the live dvd and ubiquity patch
[01:08] <stochastic> Did you see that presentation?
[01:08] <ScottL> i think you and i did a few things together on it and i think you sent me something to work off of
[01:09] <stochastic> ahh yeah
[01:09] <ScottL> i meant to mention that i liked what you did to the home page and the bottom tabs that are now circles
[01:09] <ScottL> can we make the current a different color?
[01:10] <stochastic> that's what I was about to suggest to knome, but he's on vacay
[01:10] <stochastic> he has the admin access to the actual css and php code
[01:11] <ScottL> ah
[01:11] <stochastic> I've just been adding content and suggesting new ideas/critiques to knome
[01:12] <stochastic> and re-arranging content organization
[01:12] <ScottL> o
[01:12] <ScottL> er
[01:12] <stochastic> what kind of social integration of?
[01:12] <ScottL> i'm trying to organize a "contribute to ubuntu studio development" wiki page
[01:12] <stochastic> you've seen my post on the forums from forever ago right?
[01:12] <ScottL> this way we can explain and link resources and point people there
[01:13] <stochastic> I think it got pushed over to the wiki too
[01:13] <ScottL> yes, i do remember it :)
[01:13] <stochastic> it was fairly informal and slang
[01:13] <ScottL> hehe
[01:13] <ScottL> i'm just trying to give people actually tasks that they can choose and hopefully complete
[01:14] <ScottL> this way we don't have to actively spend time helping people who might not actually do anything ;)
[01:14] <stochastic> if you organize that into a static page, one of the tasks will have to be updating that page
[01:14] <ScottL> and hopefully they get a sense of how involved some of that is
[01:14] <ScottL> aye, that is true
[01:14] <ScottL> but i wasn't going to put _everything_ we might do, just some important stuff
[01:14] <ScottL> and clear it off when we get it completed
[01:14] <stochastic> the page has built-in blog-able organization
[01:15] <ScottL> but i concede that it will require updating however
[01:15] <ScottL> stochastic, your page or the one i'm working on?  have you seen the page i'm working on?
[01:15] <stochastic> link?
[01:16] <ScottL> it's not nearly there, but here is the link:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ContributeToDevelopment
[01:16] <ScottL> i _do_ have ideas, but i'm still not happy with them and playing with organization
[01:17] <stochastic> ScottL, I think if we get used to blogging about something like being tracked on progress.ubuntu.com or about wanting to setup a LiveDVD or begin using ubiquity and the steps that will be needed along that path...
[01:17] <stochastic> here: http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/category/development/
[01:18] <ScottL> that is very true
[01:18] <stochastic> That's under the "article categories" on the new website's homepage
[01:18] <ScottL> i was hoping to use the wiki as a static page to keep the content there though and make it easy for people to find all the infomration
[01:18] <stochastic> both would be fine options
[01:18] <ScottL> ooooh, i like that /development page though
[01:19] <stochastic> both might be the best, particularly because the new site is not yet launched
[01:19] <ScottL> can that feed the front page too like news?
[01:19] <ScottL> oh, i should ask, _are_ we going to put news on the front page? or blog posts?
[01:19] <ScottL> both holstein and i have talked about blogging more updates or news on the website
[01:20] <ScottL> the website is slow for me, i don't know if it's the website or my connection at the hotel
[01:21] <ScottL> oh, i should tell you too, holstein and i used etherpad last night to realtime brainstorm ideas and it was a great tool!
[01:21]  * stochastic has played with etherpad in the past.  it's nice.
[01:21] <ScottL> we were adding our ideas for development and organizing them together, it was actually kinda fun :)
[01:23] <stochastic> Where do you think news should fit?  This should probably tie directly to a team discussion on our social borders for social integration for this site
[01:23] <ScottL> stochastic, i'll commit to looking at the website this weekend in toto and doing what i can to update it and offer opinions as well
[01:23] <stochastic> killer
[01:24] <ScottL> i am very keen to get stuff knocked out aggressively and early to make this release as complete and awesome as i think it can be
[01:24] <stochastic> I guess I take the label of leader on this website task, though if anyone else is a candidate I'll happily take them as leader.
[01:24] <stochastic> I'll chat with knome about that
[01:24] <ScottL> stochastic, let me ask you a question about the front page....
[01:24] <stochastic> sure
[01:24] <ScottL> do you think we are managing vertical space as well as we can?  and are we using all the "banner" area where we talk about audio,video, and graphics?
[01:25] <ScottL> i admit that i am using a laptop monitor
[01:28] <stochastic> I too am using a laptop monitor and think that area will be more detailed soon...
[01:30] <ScottL> do you want to talk about work flows now, stochastic ?
[01:31] <stochastic> sure
[01:32] <ScottL> what we have been considering is to have perhaps a basic install by default, maybe no extra applications or perhaps a minimal set
[01:32] <ScottL> but then use the ubiquity patch that edubuntu uses to allow the user to pick package sets during installation
[01:32] <ScottL> very similar to what we were doing with tasksel
[01:32] <ScottL> i'll find a link....
[01:33] <stochastic> I like this concept
[01:33] <ScottL> http://edubuntu.org/documentation/11.04/installation-guide#Edubuntu_Options_and_Partitioning_
[01:33] <ScottL> if you look at the image on the right you can see the choices for edubuntu
[01:34] <ScottL> i'm not sure about this part, but i think it might have to download the packages over ftp or whatever it does, perhaps aptget
[01:36] <stochastic> ScottL, do you have a link for the code?
[01:36] <ScottL> i'll find it...
[01:38] <ScottL> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/edubuntu-live/natty/view/head:/livecd/ubiquity/plugins/edubuntu-packages.py
[01:38] <ScottL> also there are some notes, i think i'm going to move this link and some notes to the blueprint
[01:38] <ScottL> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/livedvd
[01:39] <stochastic> sweet
[01:50] <stochastic> ScottL, that link directly ties to natty, is there an updated code base for the newer release?  do we know if this code is still functional and used?
[01:51] <ScottL> i believe it is current and still used, i used a link to what shnatsel provided in a google doc
[01:51] <ScottL> therefore, i haven't actually checked launchpad to see if it is current
[01:51] <ScottL> i spoke to the dev in IRC and at uds and he did not mention it is not current or active
[01:53] <stochastic> cool
[01:53] <stochastic> testing ubiquity bugs can be tricky
[01:54] <stochastic> and very risky/hard to fix
[01:54] <ScottL> stochastic, https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-live
[01:54] <ScottL> stephane (the dev) is very interested in us using it because he wants help maintaining it
[01:54] <stochastic> that's the link you should put on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/livedvd
[01:55] <stochastic> sharing helps
[01:55] <ScottL> i will, i am updating it now
[01:55] <stochastic> so stephane I'd love to talk with
[01:56] <ScottL> he is a very nice guy, his irc nick is stgraber and he hangs out in #edubuntu
[01:56] <stochastic> cool
[02:40] <ScottL> stochastic, i have updated the livedvd as best as i currently can: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/livedvd
[02:40] <ScottL> i spoke with steve langresk and colin watson today about it
[02:40] <ScottL> colin agreed to be assigned a task directly, i also hope he gives it a sanity check as well ;)
[11:21] <ScottL> would someone watch this:  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79252531/login_screen_v02_WP.mov
[11:21] <ScottL> tell me if it has a picture of an outdoor shot with lots of grass and mountains in the back with a lake as well (i believe)
[11:22] <ScottL> and there should be small, white dots in a graph pattern as well
[11:22] <ScottL> sometimes the dots are not extremely visible due to some of the background image colors
[11:23] <shnatsel> ScottL: no lake/mountains
[11:23] <shnatsel> ScottL: only clouds and abstracts
[11:24] <shnatsel> ScottL: the dots are there
[11:24] <ScottL> that is disappointing, but thank you
[11:24] <shnatsel> good idea for a login screen IMHO
[11:24] <ScottL> there was a particular image that motivated me and i wanted to see it again
[11:25] <shnatsel> in elementary we have http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/Desktop-Log-In-251559180 and I'm quite happy with it, too
[11:40] <ScottL> going to breakfast
[18:18] <madnick> hi
[18:18] <madnick> ScottL: I saw you pasted some links about login screens, I am working on a generic greeter engine for Xubuntu, which will allow for anything to be implemented with little effort.
[18:18] <madnick> For example, I implemented this: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/gspaceball/gspaceball-draft.ogg on top of my engine, however, I am currently working on a major redesign of the engine, as well as of the exposure interface.
[18:19] <madnick> Reason I tell you this is because, it would be awesome if we could do something togheter
[18:23] <astraljava> It would indeed.
[18:25] <ScottL> hello :)
[18:26] <ScottL> madnick, are you moving the paddle during that session or is it scripted that way?
[18:26] <madnick> no, im playing it :)
[18:26] <ScottL> it's pretty fantastic either way
[18:27] <ScottL> madnick, and yes, it would be nice to do something together
[18:27] <madnick> :)
[18:27] <ScottL> i'm trying to find an image from one of the unity-greeter sessions that i really like and wanted to base on it for the lightdm theme as well as the wallpaper
[18:28] <ScottL> i should have taken a picture while in the session but i now emailing to try to acquire it
[18:28] <madnick> ah okay :)
[18:30] <madnick> Well, if you do find it, you could ping me if you like, and we could try to collab on this :P
[18:31] <madnick> however, i suspect lightdm itself may change a fair bit before the release of 12.04
[18:32] <ScottL> i will absolutely ping you if i get the image, i suppose i need to develop a backup if this doesn't work
[18:33] <ScottL> and i don't know how much the lightdm backend will change, but the unity-greeter will change dramatically from what i've seen
[18:34] <madnick> :) i suspect the unity greeter may depend more or less on Ubuntu specific features, last release it needed some gnome libs iirc
[20:48] <ScottL> updated website spec with images:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/update-website-spec
[20:48] <ScottL> i hope this moves us closer to a finalized home page
[20:48] <ScottL> and comments are most certainly welcome!
[20:49] <ScottL> logging for a bit


[05:55] <Spiderixius> Hello all.
[05:55] <Spiderixius> I am having a weird bug.
[05:55] <Spiderixius> I get stuck on restarts
[05:55] <Spiderixius> after the BIOS boot it just goes into a black screen and then I am forced to hard shutdown.
[05:56] <Spiderixius> has anyone been experiencing something similar?
[06:07] <Spiderixius> Fixed the problem by updating grub, and modifying a line in the grub file.
[08:15] <Spiderixius> Is there a particular reason for gnome-shell having the version 3.14.4 and not the new version 3.16.2?
[08:15] <Spiderixius> Could it be because, 3.16.2 is still not full release?
[08:19] <mgedmin> (unofficial answer): ubuntu-gnome lags behind one full release because there's not enough time to integrate the new code before the ubuntu feature freeze
[08:21] <Spiderixius> Ah, I see. Oh well, it is rather easy to update to 3.16.2, so no problem.
[09:16] <darkxst> Spiderixius, pretty much as mgedmin said, although I would argue we only lag 3/4quarters of a release, since GNOME 3.1x.0 relases are generally pretty buggy
[09:30] <Spiderixius> Ok thanks darkxst
[09:33] <Spiderixius> I just installed 3.16.2 but and have reboot however right before desktop shows up there is a buggy looking view, it lasts for like 5 seconds and goes away, it has a lot of small squares going /
[09:34] <Spiderixius> had the same issue on Fedora 22 but wouldn't consider it a big issue since it goes away in 5 seconds.
[09:34] <darkxst> could be a gpu driver bug
[09:35] <Spiderixius> Could very well be. I am using the open source driver, it worked fine for the 3.14.4 version
[09:36] <darkxst> intel?
[09:36] <Spiderixius> AMD
[09:37] <darkxst> what gen? the older cards should work well
[09:37] <Spiderixius> Under additional drivers it gives me the option to select the opensource one (already selected), AMD graphics accelerators from fglrx and AMD graphics accelerators from fglrx-updates
[09:37] <darkxst> what generation gpu?
[09:38] <Spiderixius> I believe i have Mobility Radeon HD 5000 series
[09:40] <Spiderixius> It is not a gaming laptop, so it really doesn't matter. I just don't want it to bite me in the ass later on.
[09:42] <darkxst> file an upstream bug if you want
[09:43] <Spiderixius> Well, not sure yet
[09:43] <Spiderixius> had the same exact problem on Fedora 22 with Gnome 3.16
[09:43] <Spiderixius> so, it could be gnome related
[09:43] <darkxst> thats why you should file it upstream ;)
[09:43] <darkxst> its clearly not an ubuntu bug
[09:44] <Spiderixius> How would one do that?
[09:44] <darkxst> bugzilla.gnome.org
[09:44] <Spiderixius> Thank you.
[09:45] <darkxst> file against gnome-shell, although probably its an issue in cogl or clutter
[09:45] <darkxst> but the gnome devs will figure that out
[09:46] <Spiderixius> however it worked fine on the previous version of gnome-shell, so I just think it is this version that is having an issue with my graphics card
[09:46] <Spiderixius> but yes, I will file a bug and see what they come up with.
[09:52] <Spiderixius> There we go.
[09:54] <Spiderixius> Thanks for telling me how to file the bug, darkxst.
[10:36] <Spiderixius> Hello. Is it possible to minimize all windows at once in gnome? I am aware of CTRL + ALT + D (show desktop) but was wondering if it is possible to minimize everything.
[10:39] <darkxst> minimise doesnt really exist in gnome-shell so probably not
[10:39] <Spiderixius> It does for me, I am able to activate it from within the tweak tool.
[10:40] <Spiderixius> I am using Gnome 3.16
[10:50] <darkxst> Spiderixius, thats not technically officially supported though
[10:50] <Spiderixius> True that.
[10:50] <darkxst> and really makes little sense unless you use an extension that shows a task panel or whatever they call it
[12:27] <LinDol> hi all
[12:51] <darkxst> hi LinDol
[12:51] <darkxst> bye Lindol, I need sleep now
[12:52] <LinDol> darkxst, Have a good night :)
[13:25] <bcx> Hello, can I use kdeglobals for customizing kde apps on gnome ?


[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:28] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[09:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:18] <davidcalle> dholbach, can you log in to https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com? Do you see a draft on the home page?
[10:20] <dholbach> I can't log in - I go through SSO, but it doesn't show me the admin/pages options
[10:21] <dholbach> ah now it does
[10:21] <dholbach> maybe caching
[10:21] <dholbach> yes, I see legos
[10:21] <dholbach> but I can't publish
[10:22] <dholbach> I need to run now - see you later
[10:29] <davidcalle> dholbach, np, thanks :)
[10:54]  * davidcalle -> lunch
[15:05] <balloons> ping jose
[15:30] <popey> I'm going afk shortly, school parents evening then out tonight, if anyone needs anything drop me a mail and I'll deal with it when I'm back or tomorrow o/
[16:03] <davidcalle> dpm, dholbach, balloons, mhall119, joining in 2 min
[16:44] <balloons> popey, did you ask anyone from the design team about GCI? If not, who might we be able to ask?
[16:45] <balloons> ping jose
[17:05] <dholbach> see you tomorrow! :)
[21:58] <czajkowski> zergless: aloha
[21:59] <zergless> o/
[21:59] <czajkowski> balloons: mhall119 zergless here has some questions about the mentor program
[21:59] <czajkowski> can you guys help with answering :)
[21:59] <czajkowski> please
[21:59] <balloons> zergless, hello
[21:59] <balloons> what's your question?
[22:06] <zergless> was wondering about info for students to part take?
[22:06] <zergless> any info on how we get a mentor?
[22:06] <zergless> or where we can see the task?
[22:06] <zergless> tasks
[22:09] <balloons> zergless, the contest begins on dec 7th
[22:09] <balloons> until then, there isn't anything yet for you as a student
[22:09] <balloons> make sure you are registered and all ready to go
[22:09] <balloons> you will see ubuntu tasks when things officially open
[22:10] <zergless> Cool wheres the rteg link? :)
[22:13] <balloons> https://codein.withgoogle.com
[22:17] <wxl> hey folks. do you guys have any private cc-only documents stored somewhere? i'm trying to think of what might be the best solution for the lc for something similar
[22:23] <czajkowski> wxl: we had our own trello board
[22:24] <wxl> czajkowski: yeah for TODOs that would make sense. i was thinking more HOWTO
[22:25] <zergless> balloons: ty :)
[22:28] <czajkowski> wxl: howtos can be public
[22:29] <wxl> yeah i guess that's true. it's not like we're going to put passwords in it
[22:30] <zergless> hunter2 :)


[16:00] <bdrung> \o
[16:00] <pushkarnk> \o
[16:00] <ogayot> o/
[16:00] <dviererbe> o/
[16:01] <upils> o/
[16:02] <schopin> o/
[16:02] <zhsj> o/
[16:02] <ginggs> o/
[16:02] <liushuyu> o/
[16:02] <mkukri> o/
[16:03] <juliank> o/
[16:03] <juliank> wiFi is dead
[16:03] <dviererbe> F
[16:03] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[16:03] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:04] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-02-29/
[16:07] <juliank> I'm waiting for the cable modem to reboot
[16:09] <bdmurray> What is tmuxp?
[16:09] <bdmurray> powerful tmux?
[16:10] <waveform> python lib for the package
[16:10] <ginggs> bdmurray: something with flaky autopkgtests
[16:10] <ginggs> a session manager for tmuxp, apparently
[16:10] <dviererbe> :D
[16:10] <bdmurray> ginggs: that applies to a lot of packages. ;-)
[16:10] <waveform> ah, interesting
[16:11] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:11] <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:11] <juliank> bug 2019026
[16:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2019026 in systemd (Ubuntu) "systemd /tmp cleaning is suboptimal" [Wishlist, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2019026
[16:13] <enr0n> I mostly tagged this to see if people felt strongly enough that we should change the default. I took the stance of "if admin wants something different, just change the config", but I don't want to be an unnecessary blocker with my opinion
[16:13] <bdmurray> I'm +1 for auto cleaning and the way things used to be
[16:17] <vorlon> I mean, I think I made my position clear :)
[16:18] <juliank> I prefer the new behavior
[16:18] <juliank> Actually I prefer /tmp on tmpfs so I don't care
[16:18] <vorlon> cleaning only on boot, on systems with persistent /tmp, has some bad side effects
[16:18] <vorlon> juliank: yes so you don't get a vote ;D
[16:20] <waveform> I'd be quite happy to revert to the old behaviour
[16:21] <bdrung> /tmp is on tmpfs on my system, but cleaning it periodically will save memory
[16:22] <vorlon> that too!
[16:22] <Skia> same here, old behavior was good
[16:23] <juliank> tagged and targeted
[16:23] <juliank> bug 2054319
[16:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2054319 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "System installed from jammy point release iso cannot upgrade to noble" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2054319
[16:25] <juliank> untagged and marked invalid, as we have 3-4 separate bugs
[16:26] <juliank> bug 2055175
[16:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2055175 in ubuntu-z-systems "[UBUNTU 23.10] s390x: clone clobbers r7" [Medium, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2055175
[16:28] <vorlon> glibc
[16:28] <vorlon> I guess we need to take it
[16:28] <juliank> ack
[16:29] <schopin> I'm not sure I'll want to SRU this, though.
[16:29] <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:29] <vorlon> it's only targeted to mantic and noble so I think that's fair
[16:29] <juliank> nobody runs mantic anyway
[16:29] <juliank> on s390x
[16:29] <juliank> nothing new on mm
[16:29] <vorlon> or even if they do they won't for long?
[16:30] <juliank> neither for jj or ff
[16:30] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:30] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:30] <juliank> vorlon: you wanna go?
[16:30] <juliank> I don't think there's really anything new in there though
[16:31] <schopin> there's a hint request opened for glibc to unblock the kernel (apparmor changes broke the test suite)
[16:31] <juliank> All the light grey stuff will be t64 and we should not assign them _yet_
[16:31] <vorlon> schopin: is the hint request acked by you?
[16:32] <vorlon> schopin: that had been my feedback: before we break the glibc testsuite we need agreement that this should be fixed on the glibc side
[16:32] <vorlon> juliank: so I think frankly it's not worth assigning anything this week
[16:32] <bdrung> initramfs-tools looks to be dep17 related
[16:32] <vorlon> everything is going to explode over the next few days in -proposed
[16:32] <schopin> vorlon: I haven't written it there yet but yes, I ACK.
[16:32] <juliank> ack
[16:32] <juliank> #topic AOB
[16:32] <vorlon> schopin: ok thanks.  happy to have you write something on the MP but I'll go ahead and merge now anyway
[16:33] <schopin> I was in the middle of this when the meeting started :P
[16:34] <adrien> off tomorrow
[16:34] <bdrung> autopkgtest/5.32ubuntu3 blocks the sbuild migration. Can someone have a look?
[16:34] <bdrung> (on s390x)
[16:37] <bdmurray> It passed?
[16:38] <Skia> looks like a timeout
[16:38] <bdmurray> I mean for it to be blocking it must have passed which is surprising
[16:38] <bdrung> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/autopkgtest/noble/s390x is relative green
[16:39] <Skia> bdmurray: yes, it passed, I fixed it, remember?
[16:39] <bdmurray> apparently not! ;-)
[16:40] <Skia> there's a retry ongoing, I'll monitor it and see what can be done about it
[16:40] <bdrung> thanks Skia
[16:42] <juliank> #endmeeting
[16:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:42:21 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-02-29-16.03.moin.txt
[16:44] <vorlon> schopin: aha and your comment on the MP allowed me to find it in my inbox, thanks :)
[16:45] <schopin> yw


 @docEbrown [<docEbrown> morning all], Morning!
 How are you?
[00:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL169423db92ef: Add how to change menu opening shortcut] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL169423db92ef
 @wxl In one physical machine I'm testing Meta+E doesn't work, however, Fn+Super_L = Super_R. Apparently Meta != Super https://askubuntu.com/questions/19558/what-are-the-meta-super-and-hyper-keys
[00:11] <wxl> yeah i know. things get weirder still..
[00:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbc63fc2c0281: Add customizing taskbar] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbc63fc2c0281
[00:22] <lynorian> for my machines that have the menu key I actually don't use that for much of anything and set that for lxqt-runner if I can
[00:23] <lynorian> but that is not on everything
[00:23] <wxl> i usually use Alt_R for AltGr. just makes sense. :)
 One thing I miss from Kubuntu. Click on a unused space on the desktop, start typing and krunner opens. No keyboard shortcuts needed.
[00:26] <wxl> doesn't work in trusty so *shrug*
 I can adapt.
[00:27] <wxl> i'm on kubuntu trusty right now
 bionic does.
[00:28] <wxl> it's probably an issue with the layout. i use the folder layout by default
[00:28] <wxl> works on the default one
[00:28] <wxl> neat. didn't even know about that
 Could be. I usually disable that.
 It is pretty cool.
[00:28] <wxl> so that's a plasma integration apparently
 Yeah.
[00:29] <wxl> i'm not sure if pcmanfm-qt would take a request like that, but you could always try
[00:30] <wxl> maybe suggest it could be configurable, i.e. could start a search in pcmanfm or go to somewhere else.... ?
[00:30] <wxl> web search?
 It would be neat.
[00:32] <wxl> i wish desktop management was its own component. it always seems integrated into other parts of the desktop environment
 Yeah, it sure is pretty tight to the FM.
[00:34] <wxl> or in the case of kde, plasma
[00:34] <wxl> (which is also a catch-all for a bunch of other things)
[00:34] <wxl> there are parts of plasma i wish they'd just rip out. activities for example. ugh.
[00:35] <wxl> i have a whole COMPANY running kubuntu and NO ONE HAS A NEED FOR ACTIVITIES!!!!!
 Different ways to get it done I guess. Everything has gotchas.
[00:35]  * wxl shrugs
[00:35] <wxl> i guess the biggest problem i have with activities is that you can turn them off
 That could be annoying.
[00:37] <wxl> and they come default with keystrokes to switch acitivities. every now and then someone accidentially hits it and then they can't figure out why firefox is saying it's running when they can't see it. and then i kill those shortcuts with fire XD
 Nuke it from orbit, that is the only way to be sure.
[00:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc79bb569e7f5: Add how to change look of taskbar panel] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc79bb569e7f5
[00:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALcf959eea8ff5: Add keyboard shortcuts for changing tabs] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALcf959eea8ff5
[00:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1e4e69691002: Remove accidental duplicate text oops] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1e4e69691002
[01:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL8589f71367ec: Add show desktop to useful keyboard shortcuts] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL8589f71367ec
[01:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5b4686cd3993: Start desktop modes] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5b4686cd3993
[03:07] <guiverc> qa-test i686 daily; thinkpad t43; the volume up/down work, mute button mutes but does not unmute.  i can unmute with either up/down vol keys.. do you want me to ignore this (ie. quirk of this machine?) or explore further, eg.  i could try the 16.04 I think it has installed & see it behaves the same there??
 Me too
 The volume buttons weren't working on my thinkpad either
[03:11] <guiverc> i hate it mute & unmute on two dells i tested earlier today..
[03:11] <guiverc> s/hate/had/
[03:13] <teward> dells are nicer.  thinkpads are eviler
[03:16] <guiverc> i'll just note in comments for qa-test & move on..
[03:32] <guiverc> teward: just doing another test on a different thinkpad; no function of mute there :(   "eviler"
 @tsimonq2 thanks for all the hard work, l-ubunteros thanks for all the hard work. Today is the Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day! ... I want to thank all of you, this is a great Community to stay
 OOH my favorite day!
 Thanks @Neyder :)
[12:39] <docEbrown> hey @tsimonq2!
 Morning docEbrown :)
[12:40] <docEbrown> evening ;)
 I can't say I enjoy this 6:30 AM wakeup call here :/
 But yeah, how have things been? :)
[12:41] <docEbrown> ooh sorry!
[12:41] <docEbrown> Not bad, tell me IRC didn't wake you up?!
 It's all good, school (I'm still in high school (secondary school, I dunno what Australians call it))
[12:42] <docEbrown> ha high school! Mate, you are one busy man.
 Hehe :)
[12:42] <docEbrown> What grade are you in?!
 11th
[12:44] <docEbrown> I think I am ready for some additional testing.  I have dome what I can by setting up some fake services irc, launchpad etc but without actual commits
 Second to last year, although I hope to graduate a semester early
 @docEbrown [<docEbrown> I think I am ready for some additional testing.  I have dome what I …], Sweet!
[12:45] <docEbrown> I imagine if you are doind disto dev as a hobby you wont need to worry! So SATs next year then?
[12:45] <docEbrown> Should I put it up as an arc diff or just update the github diffhook branch before hand
 @docEbrown [<docEbrown> I imagine if you are doind disto dev as a hobby you wont need to wor …], ACTs in this part of the US :) I got a 24 in 7th grade so I should be fine I think...
 @docEbrown [<docEbrown> Should I put it up as an arc diff or just update the github diffhook …], Just try an arc diff :)
[12:46] <docEbrown> I have no idea what that means but I'm sure its great! I finished school quite some time ago!
 :D
 (24/36)
[12:47] <docEbrown> Cool, in terms of hooking into PyPi etc, is there some official lubuntu details in terms of authorship
[12:47] <docEbrown> *authorship
[12:47] <docEbrown> You'll be fine!
 @docEbrown [<docEbrown> Cool, in terms of hooking into PyPi etc, is there some official lubu …], Not particularly; it's up to you if you want to have it owned by Lubuntu or yourself but if it's the former, when we establish a legal entity we can give that the copyright...
 @docEbrown [<docEbrown> You'll be fine!], I hope so :)
[12:49] <docEbrown> ok fair enough, I'll just use myself and we can transfer later.  One last question I promise! Git tags, do you typically apply them?  If so I'll use versioneer for version management
 @docEbrown [<docEbrown> ok fair enough, I'll just use myself and we can transfer later.  One …], I do
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-community-appreciation-day-2018/8813
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-community-appreciation-day-2018/8813/2?u=tsimonq2
[19:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5407bdb49f57: Add short and long formats to the clock] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5407bdb49f57
[19:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#3397
[19:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T137: Deal with disappeared lubuntu-core] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T137#3401
[20:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL47fcb3fade50: Add customized clock time zone] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL47fcb3fade50
[20:02] <wxl> @docEbrown seems your code is trying to make everyone phone home https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace/+bug/1508619/comments/7
 HAH
 My fault
[20:04] <wxl> oh
 I'll fix it
 IN FACT
 I blame @teward001
 OHH
 I thought that was from the Lugito bot
[20:08] <wxl> it is, isn't it?
 No, Ben got a local Phab instance with Lugito running to test
[20:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf2a7c13292a0: Add checkbox for time zone and posistion] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf2a7c13292a0
 His changes aren't merged yet
[20:08] <wxl> ah
 and I blame xnox
 I mean what?
 @teward001 [and I blame xnox], Who in turn blames vorlon
 IT'S ALL VORLON'S FAULT AAAAH
[20:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL42a76a5938bd: Add spacing to desktop notification] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL42a76a5938bd
 So wxl, docEbrown will be here for the standup but I don't think he's here now.
[20:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T96: Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96#3402
[20:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa7eb991ae529: Add how to manually set time] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa7eb991ae529
 Just a reminder that the standup is in a little over an hour
[20:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL137e3492a65a: Add saving settings to monitor settings] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL137e3492a65a
 @tsimonq2 [Just a reminder that the standup is in a little over an hour], good to know, I'm confused with the times.
[21:00] <wxl> are the times not localized?
[21:02] <wxl> if not you can make them: https://phab.lubuntu.me/settings/user/hmollercl/page/datetime/
 its ok, is a problem with my country, i like we are testing when to change to daylight saving is better. Now we have lik 9 months with one time and 3 with the other.
 so i'm not always sure that the time is correct
[21:08] <wxl> oh boy
[21:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL423865d21c70: Add copying text and images to qpdfview] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL423865d21c70
[21:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd84de5522fef: Add middle click paste to tips and tricks] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd84de5522fef
[21:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL1fb46330eab6: Remove alpha from the release of the manual it is way better quality than that] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL1fb46330eab6
[21:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL835adab94d3c: Add a green box with a zipper] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL835adab94d3c
[21:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL370abe12183c: Add description of icon to featherpad] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL370abe12183c
[21:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL537eda2836aa: Add description of Kcalc icon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL537eda2836aa
[21:57] <tsimonq2> \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/
[21:57] <tsimonq2> Meeting time soon!
[21:58] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/E15
[21:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL552e5376db4d: Add icon for pcmanfm-qt] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL552e5376db4d
[21:58] <tsimonq2> If you didn't mark your attendance, please do for future meetings so I can get a shuffle going :)
[22:00] <tsimonq2> $ echo $(shuf -e tsimonq2 wxl kc2bez @Wafficus lynorian)
[22:00] <tsimonq2> wxl lynorian @Wafficus kc2bez tsimonq2
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Alright, if you're not on that list but around, let me know :)
[22:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: You're up, amigo.
 I'm around
[22:00] <tsimonq2> Heya
[22:00] <wxl> ok yay
[22:00] <wxl> well haven't done too much this week, actually
[22:01] <wxl> maybe most impactful: confirmed (myself) the libreoffice thing is fixed for cosmic and closed https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
[22:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Resolved] Our default LibreOffice theme looks bad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
[22:01] <tsimonq2> \o/
[22:01] <wxl> please note @HMollerCl's comment at the end.. your advise will be appreciated there, @tsimonq2. my guess is the answer is no since it will require an SRU.
 I'm around
[22:02] <tsimonq2> Alright.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: ack, anything else? :)
[22:02] <wxl> somehow upstream paid attention to my issue with .desktop entries requiring the terminal and fixed it, despite all their unproductive banter, so i made a task to fix it https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170
[22:02] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] properly launch desktop entries in terminal: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170
[22:02] <tsimonq2> ouuu
 Just got outta work
[22:03] <wxl> i also did a TON of testing (have been for weeks now) on what's going on with calamares not showing up in full on every screen and made a task for that https://phab.lubuntu.me/T171
[22:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] make Calamares work well with smaller screens: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T171
[22:03] <wxl> i'm not entirely sure what's going on there, but it does seem that making it maximized makes it work, so maybe we should just make it open maximized. more testing will need to be done
[22:04] <tsimonq2> Right, I remember doing something similar with QTerminal.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> I had to cherry-pick a patch for that.
[22:04] <tsimonq2> Maybe go see what had to be done for that? :)
[22:04] <wxl> i also responded to a post on ubuntu-devel-discuss about how "bad" lxqt was and how pixel (a slightly revised lxde) should be used https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2018-November/018173.html
[22:04] <tsimonq2> I don't think upstream would be opposed to a "start as maximized" config option.
[22:04] <wxl> yeah it would be a nice thing, i think
[22:05] <wxl> if that's what it taskes. like i said, i don't know. more investigation needed
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Alright.
[22:05] <wxl> i could use some help if anyone deals with samba/cifs/smb stuff. there's some bugs i just don't know how to confirm or deny
 I can probably lend a hand there.
[22:06] <lynorian> not something I personally use
[22:06] <tsimonq2> Me neither, although I have been nagged about it in person. :P
 @wxl [<wxl> i could use some help if anyone deals with samba/cifs/smb stuff. there's s …], the ones in 18.04 ??
[22:06] <wxl> one other thing i'll mention (it's a little old) is that i did get a reply confirming the crash when repeatedly sorting in trojita. so we're edging closer
[22:07] <wxl> @HMollerCl that's the one at the top of my mind, yes, but i think i have another one floating around in the inbox
[22:07] <wxl> that bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1790924
 I use cifs all days, i can help
 Feel free to ping me as well.
[22:07] <wxl> so if you want to put some eyes on that, @kc2bez and @HMollerCl, i'd really really appreciate it
 ooo, that one
 Will do.
[22:08] <wxl> if you can confirm it, please do so. if you cannot, please post a comment as cuh and let me know
[22:08] <wxl> s/cuh/such/
[22:09] <wxl> and with that, i'm done i believe
 my problem is that i never saw that happen not even in 16.04. For me is a future request, not a bug
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Ahh.
 I've put some comments in there
[22:09] <wxl> @HMollerCl well, the pictures are pretty telling. they are definitely seeing different behavior between 16/18
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Let's follow up after the meeting :)
[22:09] <wxl> it may have something to do with how they are mounting
[22:09] <wxl> yep
[22:09] <tsimonq2> If wxl is done, lynorian is next.
 @tsimonq2 [(wxl is US west coast, I'm US central ;) )], East coast is where it's at. ;)
[22:09] <tsimonq2> How's that manual? :)
[22:10] <wxl> HAHAHAHAH
[22:10] <wxl> that is the most rhetorical question of them all!!!
 @q5sys [East coast is where it's at. ;)], Oh wow, backlog from OVER A MONTH AGO, jeezus 😆
[22:10] <lynorian> going great
[22:10] <wxl> LYNORIAN IS AWESOME AND DESERVES A MEDAL
[22:10] <tsimonq2> ^^^^^^^^^
 This ^^
 @wxl [<wxl> LYNORIAN IS AWESOME AND DESERVES A MEDAL], +100
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Absofreakinglutely.
 @tsimonq2 [Oh wow, backlog from OVER A MONTH AGO, jeezus 😆], my comments age like a fine wine.
 @q5sys [my comments age like a fine wine.], :P
[22:11] <wxl> we had somenoe pop into #lubuntu and ask about selecting text in qpdfview and like a few minutes later she had added it to the manual
 @tsimonq2 where is your bug tracker?
[22:11] <wxl> i mean, it's unbelivably awesome
 I can never remember
 I wanted to file two bugs related to the installer that we've talked about
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
 if I dont do it while im thinking about it... I never will.
 @tsimonq2 [https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/], ^
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Anyway lynorian :)
[22:11] <lynorian> Well we also done more on muon and discover
[22:11] <wxl> we have long, long needed someone doing this. i am really deeply indebted to you lynorian
[22:12] <tsimonq2> ^
[22:12] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Sweet!
[22:12] <lynorian> more on pcmanfm-qt view modes
[22:12] <lynorian> as confusing as those can be
[22:12] <wxl> oh that's a good one. i didn't notice that but someone was confused by how discover and muon differ (discover only shows packages with appdata)
[22:12] <lynorian> a bit m,ore on friday on laptop stuff for wifi and battery discharged
[22:12] <wxl> yeah that issue :/
 @tsimonq2 [^], ugh... i need a launchpad account?
 @q5sys [ugh... i need a launchpad account?], To file bugs, duh. :P
 Get with the system, yo!
 please tell me lauchpad has github oauth
[22:13] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:13]  * wxl is not telling such a thing
[22:13] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Any other highlights?
[22:13] <tsimonq2> I'm asking for highlights because you've done a LOT :)
[22:14] <lynorian> lxqt-panel customizing
[22:15] <lynorian> I am done now
[22:15] <tsimonq2> Awesome, thanks again for your work. :)
[22:16] <tsimonq2> @Wafficus: What's new?
[22:16] <tsimonq2> (You're up.)
[22:17] <tsimonq2> Let's skip you for now (since I don't see you typing on Telegram) and come back to you in a bit. :)
[22:17] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: Heya!
 o/
[22:17] <tsimonq2> What's new? :)
 Been travelling for work, should be around more this week. ... Created task for update notification https://phab.lubuntu.me/T166 ... Can't keep up with lynorian but proofing when I can. ... Ping me if you think I can help test something.
[22:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Package update notification: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T166
[22:18] <lynorian> agreed on must have for 19.04
[22:18] <tsimonq2> Awesome :)
 Alright I'm on the train but I'll do my best to provide updates between stops. Here I go:
 So Simon approved my CMake code, I just need the dimensions from Wendy and I'll be able to get the first screen functional for the welcome center. So far the two buttons for the Lubuntu webpage and contribute section link out successfully. I have notes from simons call regarding how to open up OS specific programs like windows stylin
 It seems important.
 @Wafficus [Alright I'm on the train but I'll do my best to provide updates between stops. H …], aha, I see now
 He got the notification but signal was delayed
[22:19] <docEbrown> sorry I'm late
 Otherwise that's it for me.  XDDDDDDDD
[22:20] <tsimonq2> (plsnoban)
[22:20] <tsimonq2> * Disco Dingo work:
[22:20] <tsimonq2>   - It seems that autosync has been turned off for now while the transition fun is happening, so if anything needs to be synced ASAP, let me know.
[22:20] <tsimonq2>   - Worked to rectify the fact that our CSS and Kubuntu's CSS for cdimage.ubuntu.com is messed up after the recent default CSS update. Submitted a paper-over: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/restore-kubuntu-lubuntu-css/+merge/358940
[22:20] <tsimonq2>     + This hasn't been accepted yet; I need to follow up with vorlon. In the meantime, maybe @TheWendyPower can look into fixing the CSS, otherwise xnox (yes @teward001 you got that right) volunteered.
[22:20] <tsimonq2>   - Sponsored apt-ghetto's lxqt-sudo work, thanks! - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-sudo/0.13.0-0ubuntu3
[22:20] <tsimonq2>   - Worked on OEM support: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T33
[22:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] Configure OEM: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T33
[22:20] <tsimonq2>     + Cherry-picked the patches and made sure they worked. I'll probably follow up on the task about how exactly we want to structure things.
[22:20] <tsimonq2>     + As a side note, I figured out how to fix the browser launch issue we've been having. Turns out it's being launched as root, so I can do a (somewhat hacky) workaround by launching Cala like this: `bash -c "export BROWSER='sudo -H -u lubuntu firefox'; sudo -E calamares"` but [ade] wants me to file an issue which I have yet to get to. :P
[22:21] <tsimonq2>   - Qt maintenance:
[22:21] <tsimonq2>     + The Qt 5.11.2 transition is still ongoing; it should migrate by the end of the week.
[22:21] <tsimonq2>     + Merged qtbase from Debian fixing Debian bug 913499 Debian bug 913287 (among a handful of other changes): https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/5.11.2+dfsg-6ubuntu1
[22:21] <tsimonq2>     + Synced qttools from Debian fixing bug 1799111: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qttools-opensource-src/5.11.2-5
[22:21] <tsimonq2> * Thanked y'all here: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-community-appreciation-day-2018/8813 <3
[22:21] <tsimonq2> * My RT was just filed in Debian to be established as a Debian Developer, sweeeeet!
[22:21] <tsimonq2> * Got some help wrt my homework mountain; I'll be back to normal now.
[22:21] <tsimonq2> Alright, that's all I'd prepared.
[22:21] <tsimonq2> BUT.
[22:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T166: Package update notification] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T166#3404
 xnox is on my ping list for another mirrors related thing anyways tsimonq2 - it doesnt surprise me he volunteered
[22:21] <docEbrown> Debian developer! Congrats!
 CSS foolery is needed heh
[22:21] <tsimonq2> One other thing I want to mention is that we've been working on Lubuntu Council stuff on the backend :)
[22:22] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: Thanks!
[22:22] <tsimonq2> I want to submit it to the Ubuntu Community Council this week for approval but we have a constitution drawn up.
[22:22] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/constitution/
[22:22] <tsimonq2> I still have some corrections to make but it's mostly done.
 Congrats on the Debian Dev gig. Is that paying or are you going to be a dev on their team?
[22:22] <tsimonq2> @Wafficus: It's just upload rights :)
[22:23] <tsimonq2> Sort of like with Ubuntu
 heh
 Nice
[22:23] <tsimonq2> Anyway that's about it for me. Broke Weblate and @teward001 fixed it I think. :P
[22:23] <tsimonq2> MAYBE.
 Pretty impressed. I wish I was doing half of what you're doing when I was in hs.
 Anyway keep it up
[22:23] <tsimonq2> I'll give it a second before I call on our other people to let wxl digest ALL THE TEXT :)
[22:24] <tsimonq2> @Wafficus: Thanks!
[22:24] <wxl> oh it's all good, i just turned /ignore on
[22:24] <tsimonq2> HAHAHAHA
[22:24] <tsimonq2> well
[22:24] <tsimonq2> You at least read the logs right? XD
[22:24] <wxl> i'm kidding :)
[22:24] <tsimonq2> hahaha
[22:24] <tsimonq2> anyway
[22:24] <tsimonq2> so
[22:24] <wxl> i do hope you file that cala bug cuz that hack is FUGLY
[22:25] <tsimonq2> I believe @HMollerCl was next?
[22:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: ikr
[22:25] <wxl> makes my stomache turn
 ok
 so, I tested the LO SRU, it worked so @wxl could approved it.
 I've been looking at the tooltip problem in libreoffice, apparently is a gtk issue, it also happens to kubuntu and the ones that don't use full gnome https://phab.lubuntu.me/T163
[22:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Triage, Open] LibreOffice blinking buttons and description on hover: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T163
 yes, that @lugito
[22:26] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:27]  * tsimonq2 pets lubot
[22:27] <tsimonq2> er
[22:27] <tsimonq2> and lugito
[22:27] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:27] <tsimonq2> anyway
 I've been also looking to the dark notification icons. The way I see it tehre are 3 possible solutions, I put them here https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128
[22:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] To-Do/Wish List: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128
 lugito is reading my mind?
[22:28] <tsimonq2> It's a bot :P
 anyway, in simple. The combination of papirus+dark panel+light windows, doesn't work.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> It's a bot :P], it copies the link I put in telegram?
 yes
 among other things
 aaaaaaaaaaaaa, that new, I believe.
 lastly, since I'm porting the additional driver tab, maybe I coudl look at package update notification https://phab.lubuntu.me/T166
[22:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] Package update notification: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T166
 that should be in software-properties-gtk I think
 that would be
[22:31] <tsimonq2> Good idea.
 That's all on my side
[22:33] <tsimonq2> Alright :)
[22:33] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: Heya!
[22:33] <tsimonq2> How's things?
[22:34] <docEbrown> hey, so good.  I am ready to push the diff for lugito, I fell asleep last night before getting a chance to do so.  Just need to reinstall arcanist.  It will need some in-situ testing as I've tested a bunch using temp services I've set up but obviously couldnt test stuff like launchpad commits etc
[22:35] <docEbrown> There are still some todo items but we can get to those in the future I think
[22:35] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: I can go ahead and pull your changes to prod.
[22:35] <tsimonq2> Should be fine, I've seen your code and it looks good. :)
[22:35] <docEbrown> ok, cool.  I'll have some more instructions as there is now a .lugitorc file which contains a bunch of config stuff
[22:36] <tsimonq2> Alright :D
[22:36] <tsimonq2> Thanks for your work on this! It's really appreciated.
[22:36] <tsimonq2> wxl did find a bug you commented on though, so maybe go hide that. ;P
[22:36] <tsimonq2> (with the bot)
[22:36] <docEbrown> cool.  Thats about it really.  I'll keep working on some todos once it is pushed and will try and help elsewhere where I can!
[22:37] <tsimonq2> Could you remind me where your code is?
[22:37] <tsimonq2> Ahh, found it.
[22:37] <docEbrown> I haven't pushed the lates changes to github yet.
[22:38] <tsimonq2> OK, please go ahead :)
[22:38] <docEbrown> Oh also RE: the launchpadlib bug, I got a hold of @cjwatson?  there is a fix in the works but hasn't landed yet
[22:38] <tsimonq2> Sweet, thanks
[22:38] <tsimonq2> And please don't squash your commits ;) it's good to have them self-contained.
[22:39] <docEbrown> Cool, I'll push the update and then do the arc diff.  Once the fix lands I'll remove the constraint on the launchpadlib version
[22:39] <docEbrown> Ok np, I wont squash ;)
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Otherwise, good work, wxl might have some more stuff for you :D
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Cool
[22:39] <docEbrown> Awsome, I have some C++ experience but have never used gtk etc.  Thats all from me
[22:39] <tsimonq2> GTK is meh anyway...
[22:40] <tsimonq2> Did I forget anyone or can we call this a wrap? :)
[22:40] <tsimonq2> Going once...
[22:40] <tsimonq2> Going twice...
[22:40] <tsimonq2> Alright, see y'all next meeting!
[22:40] <tsimonq2> Keep up the good work
[22:41] <docEbrown> happy thanksgiving!
[22:41] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/E16 <-- please everyone go accept or decline here
[22:41] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: You (and everyone else) as well :D
[22:41] <docEbrown> ha thanks ;) No thanksgiving here unfortunately ;/
[22:41] <tsimonq2> aww :(
[22:41] <tsimonq2> Emphasis on this though: https://phab.lubuntu.me/E16
[22:42] <tsimonq2> (for everyone)
 @wxl should we look at the cifs "bug"?
[22:47] <docEbrown> @tsimonq2 I just pushed an update to my github fork.  Will do the arc diff after work this afternoon.  Cheers
[22:47] <tsimonq2> Sweet!
[22:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUGITOf327136c34ad: * Added updating IRC in response to newly created/edited diffs * Significant…] doc-E-brown (Ben Johnston) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUGITOf327136c34ad
[22:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUGITOe445368ef9bd: Added .lugitorc configuration and hooked the config files into the connectors.] doc-E-brown (Ben Johnston) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUGITOe445368ef9bd
[22:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUGITO9f4ba7da6e4a: Update to README.rst with some additional information regarding phabricator…] doc-E-brown (Ben Johnston) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUGITO9f4ba7da6e4a
[22:49] <docEbrown> Well lets see if it works ;) You will need to add all the relevant connection details to the .lugitorc
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Yup, working on it :)
[22:50] <docEbrown> fingers crossed!
[22:51] <wxl> @HMollerCl @kc2bez if you want to work on the cifs thing, i'd be happy to advise but i can't help test :)
 the thing is we also have that problem in 18.10
 so we need to fix for both
 I am downloading a bionic iso now.
 I have bionic in my house. cifs doesn't appear as other unit, that's true (but I don't remember that in 16.04 it did)
[22:53] <tsimonq2> docEbrown: Running it via the shell to make sure it doesn't throw a stacktrace right away. :P
[22:54] <tsimonq2> 2018-11-20 16:53:42,275 - __main__ - DEBUG - :NickServ!NickServ@services. NOTICE lugito :Invalid password for lugito.
[22:54] <tsimonq2> Uff, and I know it's the right one.
[22:54] <tsimonq2> Doesn't work with quotation marks either.
[22:54] <tsimonq2> hmm
[22:55] <tsimonq2> I'll fix it, just give me a min :)
[23:02] <docEbrown> damn! Maybe something to do with how configparser interpret quotation marks?
[23:03] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:03] <docEbrown> can you give me an example that is similar in structure but obviously isnt the actual password and I can test it?
 Sure, sec.
[23:17] <wxl> oh @tsimonq2 last time i booted a daily, cala was running so i think our python issues are fixed but do we have anything else for https://phab.lubuntu.me/T169 ??
 yeah a nasty langpack problem
 it's what pulls in Py2 deps
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/hc46FOBJ/file_4818.mp4
 but iirc that's because of the chinese langpacks being aded to the image.
 Not anymore
 @teward001 [but iirc that's because of the chinese langpacks being aded to the image.], Nope
 oh you fixed that?
 Fixed
 nice.
 y'all made 0 comments on it so i mean :p
 @teward001 [y'all made 0 comments on it so i mean :p], It was a commit message here :P
 Hheh
 bleh stupid crappy tablet DIE!  *throws it out the window*
[23:21] <wxl> you're referring to different its
 glad to see py2 is gone :P
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[  13rSEEDc8729c3a3541: Remove all other langpacks installed on the l …], ^
[23:22] <wxl> so i'm marking this as done then
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDc8729c3a3541
 wxl: unless there's anything else on a py2 or py3.6 headachey migration evils then yeah that task is done
 since the langpacks are yoinked out though, and cala's no longer giving weirdness I can't think of anything that I observed being stupid with such evil deps
 yoinked out now*
 Hey I missed the previous bit
 Is there a huge bug to take care of in a vm
 ?
 I have cuttlefish installed but could use a vm with 1 gig of ram for Bionic
 Btw idk if this is a bug but I'm in Firefox and ctrl + left shift + t doesn't work but ctrl + right shift + t does work. Not sure if this is a lubuntu or Firefox issue
[23:38] <guiverc> qa-test , windows are warping to a new location or opening in a strange location (somewhat offscreen) (qterminal, pcmanfm-qt..) - what package to file under please?
[23:43] <guiverc> (includes firefox, lximage-qt - ie. something underneath program I'm using..) -- sorry I don't know the stack
[23:45] <wxl> could be an openbox issue
[23:47] <wxl> guiverc: did you look at the window manager preferences?
[23:47] <wxl> maybe we should make "center new windows" the default
[23:48] <guiverc> :)    - filing against openbox  (i'll explore more when I've recorded what i've found, before i forget it all...)
[23:50] <guiverc> thanks wxl :)
[23:51] <wxl> LXDE doesn't seem to have the center option
[23:56] <kc2bez> wxl @hmollercl can someone confirm `mount -t cifs` is the proper way to mount a cifs share. It seems like the better way is to use `mount.cifs` http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/mount.cifs.8.html
[23:57] <wxl> afaik they are one in the same
 I mount it with: ... sudo mount -t cifs -o credentials=/home/hmoller/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,gid=1000,uid=1000,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,vers=1.0 //mollery/hmoller /mnt/mollery/hmoller
 where credentials=/home/hmoller/.smbcredentials is where my passwd is


[08:39] <alkisg> In bionic with hwe and fully updated, is this supposed to boot? It only works with nomodeset:
[08:39] <alkisg> 38:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Raven Ridge [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series] [1002:15dd] (rev c6)
[08:42] <tjaalton> should
[08:42] <tjaalton> I think
[08:43] <alkisg> I think it might be too new?
[08:46] <tjaalton> shouldn't be with hwe
[08:46] <tjaalton> test disco?
[08:48] <alkisg> Thank you tjaalton; it's remote, I can test e.g. a kernel from mainline ppa but not disco, could that make a difference?
[08:49] <alkisg> (or newer packages from a ppa etc etc)
[08:50] <tjaalton> what happens without nomodeset?
[08:50] <alkisg> The teacher reports a black screen right after grub
[08:50] <alkisg> So the way around it was recovery => continue
[08:50] <tjaalton> ok, test newer kernel then
[08:50] <alkisg> Thank you
[09:06] <alkisg> As far as I can tell, the hwe 5.0 failed, while mainline 5.3 worked
[09:08] <alkisg> Whoops spoke too soon, it gets console/net but no graphics
[09:08] <alkisg> [  605.074987] INFO: task gpu-manager:713 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[09:09] <alkisg> dmesg => https://termbin.com/yl7x
[09:09] <alkisg> OK, back to nomodeset for now, if I get it locally I'll test with disco
[09:41] <tjaalton> quality
[09:44] <tjaalton> no mention of amdgpu on dmesg?
[09:58] <alkisg> tjaalton: sure, see the termbin above, lots of amdgpu errors in dmesg
[10:00] <tjaalton> ah right.. maybe #radeon would want to know
[10:00] <alkisg> Thank you tjaalton
[10:01] <tjaalton> could be old firmware causing it
[10:07] <tjaalton> maybe try installing linux-firmware from eoan
[14:45] <alkisg> Ah thanks, will try it on Friday when the teacher contacts me again


[14:08] <roltux> i am trying to configure an interface with neighbor surpression, however netplan is telling me that the key does not exists, i use it as: neigh-suppress: true
[14:08] <roltux> but get the message that the key does not exists
[14:39] <schopin> roltux: which version are you using? neigh-suppress is only available in 0.105 onward.
[14:43] <roltux> 0.104 :( schopin
[14:43] <roltux> That explains a lot
[14:44] <roltux> I am wondering what my best course is to achieve the same thing
[14:45] <schopin> roltux: are you using Ubuntu? If so, I'm guessing Focal?
[14:45] <roltux> eah
[14:45] <roltux> correct schopin
[14:49] <schopin> roltux: you might want to subscribe to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netplan.io/+bug/1988447 for availability of 0.105 on Focal
[14:49] <schopin> Meanwhile... slyon: do we have an equivalent of passthrough: for networkd?
[14:52] <slyon> schopin: roltux: we don't have no passthrough mode for the networkd backend, but you could be using a sd-networkd override config file as a workaround, e.g.: /etc/systemd/networkd/10-netplan-MYITF.network.d/override.conf
[14:52] <slyon> [Bridge]
[14:52] <slyon> NeighborSuppression=false
[14:54] <slyon> to basically extend the config generated by netplan in /run/systemd/network/10-netplan-*.network
[14:54] <schopin> slyon: we might want to have an how-to for this kind of things ;)
[14:55] <slyon> yeah, we should put that into our docs/FAQ somewhere


[14:40]  * apw has some really bad tearing in chromium/u-tube video playing, on a gm45 ... known?
[14:49] <tjaalton> new?
[15:01] <tjaalton> my gen4 is still in saucy I think, and flash works great there
[15:02] <tjaalton> hum, unless youtube uses html5 video? don't think it should matter on these though
[15:06] <apw> tjaalton, yeah i upgraded it from S to T today, sick of the "little squares of doom" we had there
[15:07] <tjaalton> i'm getting hung sessions with flash on T
[15:07] <tjaalton> or my wife is
[15:07] <tjaalton> on snb
[15:08] <tjaalton> don't see a bug filed about the tearing yet
[15:13] <tjaalton> upgrading mine to trusty
[16:37] <Sarvatt> "sna/gen4: Sacrifice performance to workaround render corruption" gutted its speed right before 2.99.907 to fix the "little squares of doom"
[16:38] <tjaalton> well, fullscreen flash seems to work just fine here
[16:39] <tjaalton> i'll try with chromium
[16:42] <tjaalton> that's just as fine
[16:42] <tjaalton> apw: so, working here :/
[16:42] <apw> tjaalton, welll sheee
[16:43] <Sarvatt> apw: shot in the dark but there were a bunch of gen4 changes post 2.99.907, might be worth giving https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/3830735/+listing-archive-extra a shot and if not filing a bug against x-x-v-intel, the driver dev actually triages the bugs there :P
[16:43] <apw> tjaalton, so this wasn't full screen, it was tearing in just a small window
[16:43] <apw> heh thanks will try and get to it soon
[16:44] <tjaalton> well, playing both at the same time non-fullscreen and still no tearing
[16:44] <Sarvatt> there's a tearfree xorg.conf option if you just want to work around it
[16:45] <Sarvatt> ala http://paste.ubuntu.com/6768874/
[16:56] <apw> tjaalton, i will note i have two displays, and that this was on the external one on hdmi
[17:01] <tjaalton> ok
[17:01] <apw> tjaalton, and it is just fine full screen ... it is unhappy only when small ... most odd
[17:01] <tjaalton> hdmi on such an old machine?
[17:01] <apw> one of the first, this puppy is over 5 years old
[17:01] <tjaalton> mine has just vga
[17:01] <tjaalton> k, will hook it up with the telly
[17:02] <apw> tjaalton, though i just ripped the external out and it still is the same
[17:09] <tjaalton> worked fine with the tv plugged
[18:53] <Dandel> tjaalton, apw and mlankhorst is there any chance ubuntu will help with improving/updating vogl once it's released?
[18:53] <mlankhorst> no idea what vogl is
[18:53] <Dandel> OpenGL Debugger
[18:54] <mlankhorst> probably not, but I'll package it
[18:54] <Dandel> http://richg42.blogspot.com.br/2014/01/vogl-opengl-tracerdebugger-bonus-content.html?showComment=1389950449081#c343074267754586249 - long link, but it'll be released as 100% open source
[18:54] <jarkko> Valve's VOGL Debugger To Be Completely Open-Source
[18:54] <mlankhorst> oh phoronix
[18:54] <Dandel> It's something that probably should be included ( and updated regularly, like the opengl headers )
[18:55] <mlankhorst> put it in debian sid, and we'll pull it in ubuntu automatically ;)
[18:56] <Dandel> mlankhorst, I expect that, and similarly there is now a reference compiler for GLSL ( lunar glass )


[00:20] <playya_> how much space is required to bootstrap ubuntu-minimal on ARM?
[04:24]  * mozzwald is away: snore...
[07:17] <EthanZ6174> how can i get a arm-ubuntu source list?
[07:17] <EthanZ6174> i got so many 404 when i use the kind of normal ones..
[08:21] <hrw> morning
[08:36] <cooloney> amitk: around?
[08:36] <amitk> cooloney: yes
[08:36] <cooloney> amitk: i am looking at the OTG config issue you pointed out yesterday
[08:37] <cooloney> from the git log, i think you revert the patch which enabling the OTG in the kernel
[08:37] <cooloney> so why you revert that?
[08:37] <cooloney> OTG driver doesn't work at all?
[08:39] <amitk> cooloney: that config was causing OOPs, IIRC. So we need to see if some more patches are necessary
[08:40] <cooloney> amitk: yeah, i guess so. so firstly we enable the OTG as the omap3 beagle board defconfig
[08:40] <cooloney> and test and file another bug?
[08:40] <cooloney> i think OTG should be built-in
[08:41] <cooloney> oh, maybe the dmesg.txt from ogra_cmpc in the LP is from a kernel which built-in OTG stuff
[08:51] <amitk> cooloney: if possible OTG should be a module so we can switch between different gadget drivers - audio, ethernet, gadgetfs, mass storage, etc.
[08:52] <amitk> cooloney: actually, only the USB Gadget drivers need to be modular, the HW-specific driver can be compiled in
[08:53] <amitk> cooloney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/449992/ is the diff for that should enable OTG
[08:53] <amitk> s/for//
[08:56] <cooloney> amitk: i agree, gadget upper level drivers should be modulars, and TI OTG controller driver should be built-in
[08:57] <cooloney> amitk: after a study of the oops from the dmesg, i think we missed to built-in the OTG transceiver driver as well as OMAP OTG driver
[08:57] <cooloney> amitk: let me try to build in them and post a kernel for testing
[09:01] <lag> Good morning every-peeps
[09:03] <amitk> morning lag
[09:03] <lag> Hey amitk
[09:08] <cooloney> lag and amitk morning. -:)
[09:09] <lag> Morning cooloney, I'm just replying to your emails
[09:13] <lag> cooloney: How far have you progressed with the Maverick - Panda kernel?
[09:15] <cooloney> lag: I added some panda supported yesterday, and sebjan will review that. if that's ok, i will send out for review and pull
[09:15] <cooloney> lag: for the bug #592295
[09:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592295 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "omapdss DISPC error: SYNC_LOST_DIGIT (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592295
[09:16] <cooloney> lag: is on .33 or .34?
[09:16] <cooloney> and i think you may have some solution now
[09:17] <lag> cooloney: 2.6.34-900-omap4
[09:18] <lag> If you send me a .33 kernel, I can see if the problem is a lasting one
[09:18] <lag> cooloney: I have seen your solution, but I think I have a neater one
[09:19] <cooloney> lag: ok, got it, but in the LP post, you said it is 2.6.33-900-omap4
[09:19] <cooloney> lag: ok, cool, i don't have the hardware. hehe
[09:21] <lag> In which case, I have tested it on both
[09:21] <lag> So it is .33 and .34
[09:22] <lag> cooloney: Have you read your emails?
[09:23] <cooloney> lag: oh, just got it.
[09:24] <lag> ;)
[09:24] <cooloney> for the .34 repo, git://kernel.ubuntu.com/roc/ubuntu-maverick.git ti-ubuntu-2.6.34
[09:24] <cooloney> i think sebjan will do his work based on this branch
[09:25] <lag> Does that boot?
[09:25] <cooloney> hmmm, i think you told me it boots from you panda
[09:26] <cooloney> hehe
[09:26] <lag> If it's the same one you sent me yesterday it does
[09:26] <cooloney> and after sebjan fixed his kernel cmdline, he boots that kernel on his panda too
[09:26] <lag> However, I tried to build it and it didn't boot
[09:26] <cooloney> lag: yeah, it is the same
[09:26] <cooloney> lag: really?
[09:26] <lag> Yeah, really
[09:26] <cooloney> you built from the same tree, but does not boot?
[09:27] <cooloney> oh, maybe you are trying the my old base
[09:27] <cooloney> so which commit SHA is your base in you building tree
[09:27] <lag> It's the one on kernel.ubuntu.com
[09:27] <lag> Wait one
[09:27] <cooloney> np
[09:28] <lag> ea34fca089b7ab2986ff391f1fc036d4425e6995
[09:29] <cooloney> oh, sorry, that is not including the panda support
[09:29] <cooloney> pls just git fetch
[09:29] <cooloney> and rebuild,
[09:30] <lag> That was the latest when you went offline last night
[09:30] <lag> :(
[09:30] <lag> I thought it was something I was doing wrong!
[09:30] <cooloney> lag: oh, sorry, hold on,
[09:30] <cooloney> could you post your git log --oneline?
[09:31] <lag> I've just fetched
[09:32] <cooloney> ok,
[09:32] <cooloney> that should be the same as my kernel source, i think
[09:33] <cooloney> you are using sbuild or just crosscompile
[09:41] <lag> cooloney: It's still at ea34fca089b7ab2986ff391f1fc036d4425e6995 UBUNTU: SAUCE: fix changelog for our target release - maverick
[09:41] <lag> Even after a fetch
[09:48] <cooloney> lag: yeah, i think you got the same kernel source as me
[09:48] <lag> And that should work?
[09:48] <cooloney> yeah, i built the kernel package from that.
[09:48] <cooloney> and uploaded to you and sebjan
[09:49] <cooloney> so is there any error message when you was booting your own built kernel?
[09:49] <lag> Nope, I just don't receive any output
[09:52] <cooloney> lag: hmmm, too bad, no idea about that. you changed the kernel cmdline or something?
[09:53] <lag> Nope, I'm using the same one
[09:53] <lag> When I do a diff on or images, they 'differ'
[09:53] <lag> Is ea34fca089b7ab2986ff391f1fc036d4425e6995 your final commit?
[09:55] <cooloney> yeah, i didn't change anything since that
[09:57] <cooloney> lag: you are using sbuild or just cross compiling?
[09:59] <lag> I'm just using schroot
[09:59] <lag> I'm using the build scripts
[10:05] <cooloney> lag: the kernel i uploaded yesterday is cross compiled
[10:07] <lag> Okay
[10:07] <lag> Let me try it again
[11:36] <cooloney> ogra_cmpc and amitk, i updated bug #566645
[11:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 566645 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "OTG configuration is broken on omap kernel (affects: 2) (heat: 70)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566645
[11:38] <hrw> http://people.canonical.com/~hrw/ubuntu-maverick-armel-cross-compilers/
[11:43] <zumbi> hrw: congrats! can you try powerpc or mips/el?
[11:44] <hrw> zumbi: thats dpkg-cross way
[11:44] <zumbi> hrw: yes, but binary-*-cross.mk merged into binary-*.mk?
[11:45] <hrw> zumbi: no, this is still on a list
[11:46] <zumbi> oh! ok, also biarch cross compilers were broken for multilib and non-multilib builds, on lenny used to work fine
[11:47] <zumbi> anyway, well done :)
[11:47] <hrw> zumbi: gcc-4.5 cross work resulted in a set of fixes
[11:47] <zumbi> in a couple weeks I hope to have some time available to help out
[11:47] <hrw> zumbi: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-m-cross-compilers has them linked
[11:48] <zumbi> i remember you showing me a patch
[11:56] <JameswStubbs> Hello, anyone here who can give some advice?
[11:56] <lool> zumbi: We dont have mips/mipsel in Ubuntu and powerpc in not in the main priorities of Linaro, it's more a Debian thing, but that should just work -- problem is that the patches aren't in the Debian toolchain yet
[11:58] <lool> JameswStubbs: don't ask to ask   ;-)
[11:58] <hrw> lool: those patches are also not in ubuntu toolchain yet
[11:59] <lool> hrw: Ok, did you apply any to build http://people.canonical.com/~hrw/ubuntu-maverick-armel-cross-compilers/ ?
[12:00] <JameswStubbs> Ok then, basically I've built a Ubuntu minimal rootfs using rootstock and have it mounted in qemu with networking, I'm trying to install matchbox. I've installed xorg, and all the matchbox applications but I need GTK, Is there a way to do this without installing the full gnome enviroment?
[12:00] <hrw> lool: 594534, 590696 were needed
[12:01] <hrw> I have a build with also 593281 applied to get libgcc1-dbg
[12:02] <hrw> libgcc1-dbg-armel-cross_4.5.0-5ubuntu1.lool1_all.deb
[12:05] <JameswStubbs> Bump (Sorry for bumping)
[12:06] <cwillu_at_work> JameswStubbs, um, then don't bump?
[12:06] <cwillu_at_work> this isn't ubuntuforums
[12:06] <lool> lool1 that's me!
[12:06] <lool> hrw: ~hrw1 please  :-)
[12:07] <lool> JameswStubbs: in theory you should just be able to apt-get install that
[12:07] <lool> JameswStubbs: does it pull more than it should?
[12:07] <lool> JameswStubbs: what specifically is pulled which shouldnt be?
[12:07] <JameswStubbs> apt-get install what?
[12:07] <lool> JameswStubbs: matchbox
[12:07] <JameswStubbs> matchbox pulls everything it needs
[12:07] <JameswStubbs> But it depends on GTK which is gnome's toolkit I think
[12:07] <lool> JameswStubbs: You need Gtk+ for what, a custom application?
[12:08] <JameswStubbs> Matchbox-session needs gtk
[12:08] <zumbi> lool: then maybe sparc? -- I just wonder if biarch cross compilers are fixed. I saw you having some mails with doko about it, but he was wanting to fix it in the right way, while you wanted a quick hack for linaro
[12:08] <cwillu_at_work> not seeing the problem
[12:08] <lool> JameswStubbs: Gtk+ is the toolkit used in GNOME, but it's not the full GNOME environment
[12:08] <cwillu_at_work> gtk isn't all of gnome
[12:08] <lool> zumbi: This is incorrect
[12:08] <JameswStubbs> So what do I need to enter into apt-get to get gtk?
[12:08] <JameswStubbs> apt-get install gtk??
[12:09] <lool> zumbi: Linaro is investing time in fixing it the right way, hrw is working on that, but it will take a while so I've asked him to produce intermediate builds the "old" way (regular Emdebian way) in the mean time
[12:09] <lool> zumbi: there is no additional hack than the existing Emdebian binary-cross stuff
[12:09] <lool> JameswStubbs: the matchbox-session package should depend on the libgtk package
[12:10] <lool> JameswStubbs: So this should just all work
[12:10] <lool> JameswStubbs: I fail to understand your actual problem   :-(
[12:10] <hrw> lool: patch was yours
[12:10] <hrw> lool: and I do not provide them outside of my hdd
[12:10] <lool> hrw: You mean the build fixes?
[12:10] <zumbi> lool: sure, but Emdebian way only works for armel (also sh4) but the rest of arches were broken
[12:10] <JameswStubbs> I'd copy and paste it all but it's within 2 vm's :) , When I enter matchbox-session from the prompt, it says something like gtk: couldnt open
[12:10] <lool> hrw: These are not additional hacks though, they just fix bugs in the current approach, do you agree?
[12:11] <zumbi> lool: i agree
[12:11] <hrw> lool: they are fixes, yes
[12:11] <lool> zumbi: We didn't look into that, we don't have people blocking on cross-compilers for the arches you mention
[12:11] <lool> zumbi: I would hope that everything will work once hrw is done, but we don't need to produce daily cross-compilers for sparc or powerpc in Linaro right now
[12:12] <lool> zumbi: We do need to hand out some armel cross-compilers while hrw continue on the quest to clean cross-compilers builds
[12:12] <lool> JameswStubbs: Ok, you need to be more specific though
[12:12] <JameswStubbs> Ok I'll try
[12:13] <zumbi> lool: while I understand you focus on armel (which is primary) I'll try to work on the rest of arches (at least test builds)
[12:13] <lool> JameswStubbs: (IIUC, you installed only Ubuntu packages in your rootfs, but you see some error messages with gtk, can only comment if we know what the error is)
[12:13] <lool> zumbi: As I said, I expect the *final* solution to work on other arches
[12:13] <zumbi> `buildcross` could easily be used to test all cross compiler arches
[12:13] <lool> zumbi: But I asked hrw to provide hand-built packages *right now* because we need them, we don't need them for other arches than armel
[12:13] <zumbi> lool: i got it. thanks :)
[12:14] <lool> Ok  :-)
[12:14] <JameswStubbs> I've made a rootfs using rootstock. I've then opened it in qemu. I then installed xorg. I then installed matchbox. Now when I enter matchbox-session is returns: (matchbox-desktop:434) : Gtk-Warning **: cannot open display:
[12:15] <lool> JameswStubbs: Do you run matchbox-session from within Xorg?
[12:15] <JameswStubbs> Should I enter startx
[12:15] <JameswStubbs> Then when I get the x shell then enter matchbox-session?
[12:15] <lool> JameswStubbs: matchbox-session should be started from within a Xorg context, otherwise it doens't know which Xorg DISPLAY to connect to or which credential (XAUTHORITY) to use
[12:16] <lool> JameswStubbs: I'm not sure what the proper way is to start matchbox-session on boot or to start Xorg + matchbox-session, perhaps startx will do the trick, perhaps you need to setup more things
[12:16] <lool> JameswStubbs: One way to quickly test matchbox-session is to start Xorg with a xterm and then run matchbox-session from there, but that's certainly not what you would want in the end I guess
[12:16] <JameswStubbs> I think I need to add match-box session to xinitrc
[12:17] <lool> Yes, it is indeed possible you have to do that
[12:28] <JameswStubbs> Hm, All I'm getting after adding matchbox-session to xinitrc is a blackscreen and a mouse, which I can't move.
[12:31] <JameswStubbs> Any ideas lool?
[12:57] <lool> JameswStubbs: Check the xinit man page, and/or read through /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* scripts and /etc/X11/Xsession
[12:57] <lool> JameswStubbs: I don't have a recipe for you, as I didn't do this myself, but it should be easy to look into what the shell scripts are doing
[12:57] <lool> JameswStubbs: I think one important thing is to have .xinitrc +x or something like that
[12:57] <lool> and you need a shebang too if you do this obvisouly
[12:58] <JameswStubbs> shebang? !#?
[12:58] <lool> #!/bin/sh
[13:00] <lool> JameswStubbs: I checked and if you look at startx, it will pass xinitrd to xinit which expects to be passed a client program
[13:00] <lool> So if you pass it a text file, it wont work
[13:47] <asac> ogra_cmpc: where is rcn? isnt he usually hanging out here?
[13:48] <lool> asac: 16:10 < cwillu_at_work> okay, that's a week since rcn was last on, anybody want  to come with me on a rescue mission? :p
[13:49] <lool> asac: 17:09  * cwillu_at_work found rcn
[13:49] <cwillu_at_work> asac, he should be back today
[13:49] <cwillu_at_work> took an unannounced vacation
[13:50] <asac> ah ... one of the weak ones ;)
[13:51] <armin76> he's running from you :D
[13:51] <armin76> *away
[13:51] <cwillu_at_work> I was wondering about that actually :p
[13:53] <cwillu_at_work> omg
[13:53] <cwillu_at_work> that's embarrasing
[13:53] <cwillu_at_work> I've got a webapp I run in an undecorated fullscreen firefox window
[13:53] <cwillu_at_work> been having horrible performance
[13:54] <cwillu_at_work> firefox using 60-80% cpu, with the backend server using the other 20%
[13:54] <cwillu_at_work> (backend has to poll a bunch of serial devices and push data to firefox)
[13:54] <cwillu_at_work> figured it was just the overhead of updating things / the push system
[13:54] <cwillu_at_work> finally got around to getting venkman on it
[13:56] <cwillu_at_work> a completely unrelated piece of code was in a hard mutually recursive loop:  initializing a drop-down menu was triggering a request to get data, and the request handler was triggering an init of the drop-down
[13:57] <cwillu_at_work> the embarrassing part is that I've been working under the false assumption for long enough to have actually shipped this to customers :p
[15:22] <hrw> http://people.canonical.com/~hrw/ubuntu-maverick-armel-cross-compilers/ contains now amd64 and i386 cross toolchains for armel target
[16:22] <rsavoye> hrw: is there a branch for the source used to build your cross toolchain ?
[16:22] <hrw> rsavoye: I used ubuntu sources
[16:22] <hrw> will add README
[16:22] <rsavoye> so no Code Sourcery patch yet ?
[16:22] <hrw> not yet
[16:23] <rsavoye> you hacked libstdc++ and libiberty to cross configure ?
[16:23] <rsavoye> hrw: there is a nice patch in GCC trunk for Android you might want to add when you get to patching 4.4
[16:23] <rsavoye> all it does is cleanup linking mostly
[16:24] <hrw> rsavoye: url?
[16:24] <rsavoye> the thread is at http://www.pubbs.net/201005/gcc/37284-patch-06-add-support-for-android.html
[16:25] <rsavoye> it's based on my older Android patch, and adds bionic support in a nice generic way
[16:25] <lool> hey rsavoye
[16:25] <rsavoye> howdy
[16:26] <lool> rsavoye: Might make sense for you folks to discuss this on #linaro, but here is fine too
[16:26] <rsavoye> ah, didn't think of that, thanks
[16:26] <rsavoye> I was just hacking on ARM toolchains this weekend for Gnash, so pipped up when I saw the link to debs
[21:16] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Just as a follow up of last time I connected (About atlas build on arm): I'll upload atlas as someone has been able to build it in qemu
[21:16] <fabrice_sp> in case it loops, who should I poke to kill it?
[22:06] <tumbleweed> ogra: I'm still getting a fair number of qemu segfaults with lucid


[12:13] <lamont__> how do I import a file named in a variable? (python)
[12:13] <lamont__> yeah, yeah... ECHAN :-)
[12:16] <JanC> lamont__ : RTFM ?  ;)
[12:16] <lamont__> yeah
[12:18] <JanC> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-imp.html
[12:18] <JanC> might help  :)
[12:19] <lamont__> yeah - just reading that
[12:19] <JanC> or http://docs.python.org/lib/module-zipimport.html if your file is inside a zip
[01:15] <Kinnison> Morning


[15:33] <jdstrand> fyi, filed bug #708697 for inscape dependency on NBS binaries
[15:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708697 in inkscape (Ubuntu) "FTBFS with latest poppler (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708697
[16:02] <jdstrand> fyi bug #708715
[16:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708715 in libindicate-qt (Ubuntu) "libindicate-qt4 FTBFS with new libindicate (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708715
[16:04] <jdstrand> I guess I should milestone those
[17:19] <jdstrand> cjwatson: re milestones, what derivatives do we care about? all? ubuntu and kubuntu? all in ~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds (ie ubuntu, edubuntu, kubuntu, and netbook)?
[17:20] <jdstrand> cjwatson: oh, and hi :)
[17:30] <cjwatson> jdstrand: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseManifest primarily, but anything that community folks are prepared to support is worth helping
[17:31] <cjwatson> actually that seems like a reasonably complete list
[17:36] <jdstrand> thanks
[17:42] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I don't see a seed file for wubi-- do the ubuntu bits generally just fall under the desktop seed? ie, are there extra things for wubi in the archive that aren't expressed in the germinate seeds?
[17:43] <jdstrand> I don't see anything about wubi in the structure.dot either...
[17:44] <cjwatson> wubi wouldn't make sense in the seeds
[17:44] <cjwatson> it's a different installer application
[17:45] <cjwatson> (which uses ubiquity as part of its operation, but the other bits are in Windows)
[17:45] <jdstrand> ok, that is what I was thinking but not expressing
[17:46] <jdstrand> cjwatson: is there bits in the archive outside of the desktop seed that I need to look out for to make sure wubi is ok?
[17:47] <jdstrand> I'd like to say something like "the desktop cd is ok, then wubi must be too"
[17:47] <cjwatson> you can't do that, no
[17:47] <cjwatson> the binaries live on http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/natty/
[17:47] <cjwatson> but the way we tell that it's OK is to listen for test reports on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:47] <cjwatson> I mean, as far as seeds and such go, Wubi installs an Ubuntu desktop
[17:48] <cjwatson> so package-wise, yes, if the desktop CD is consistent then Wubi is too.  That doesn't necessarily mean it will work :)
[17:48] <jdstrand> I will fully admit I don't really know how wubi works
[17:48] <jdstrand> ok
[17:48] <jdstrand> as the archive admin on point, then that is all I really need :)
[17:49] <cjwatson> it's a Windows application which asks a few questions, prepares loopback / and swap filesystems as files inside your Windows NTFS partition, then reboots into a preseeded ubiquity installation of (in this case) the Ubuntu desktop CD
[17:49] <cjwatson> there are a bunch of installer and boot loader customisations here and there to make this work
[17:50] <jdstrand> cool
[18:08] <jdstrand> fyi bug #708795
[18:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708795 in gexiv2 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "gexiv2 FTBFS with new libexiv2 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708795
[18:30] <jdstrand> fyi, so I think NBS should be in ok shape for alpha-2 images. shotwell and koffice I coordinated with maintainers. inkscape already is being acted on, and libindicate-qt4 and gexiv2 have milestoned bugs
[18:30] <jdstrand> obviously I will continue to keep on eye on it
[18:30]  * jdstrand looks at the kernel in there now
[18:31] <jdstrand> (and a do a bunch of no change rebuilds)
[18:31] <jdstrand> s/a do/I did/
[18:35] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I will probably ask you later today or tomorrow about that kernel in the NBS report (ABI bump from 37-12 to 38-1). It isn't finished building yet on all archs, so I prefer to wait.
[18:36] <jdstrand> cjwatson: hopefully I'm not bugging you too much! :0
[18:36] <jdstrand> :)
[18:36] <cjwatson> that's fine, actually I'll probably just sort that out tomorrow morning if that's ok
[18:37] <cjwatson> needs an installer rebuild, seed bump, and then a round of NBS
[18:54] <jdstrand> cjwatson: that is totally fine by me. I just want to make sure I am aware of the issues surrounding d-i and seeds


[15:49] <scheeri1> Hello Dear Community! Can anyone tell me about Ubuntu Directory Service, how can I configure for working from Oracle database?