[03:18] <cprofitt> night all
[03:23] <bkerensa> omg there is linux documentary on netflix
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11]  * jussi waves
[08:11] <jussi> wb dholbach
[08:12] <dholbach> gar, compiz/unity ate my mouse-clicks/keyboard interaction
[08:17] <jussi> ouch
[08:17] <jussi> I should probably give unity another try at some point - maybe after release
[08:18] <jussi> oh btw, for those in my circles, I added some photos from the christening
[09:11] <czajkowski> jussi: cute
[09:12] <jussi> czajkowski: thnks!
[12:03] <czajkowski> mhall119: shout when you're about please
[12:03] <czajkowski> thanks
[12:38] <mhall119> czajkowski: give me about an hour
[12:38] <czajkowski> mhall119: let me pm you and you can come back to me when ever
[12:46] <daker> haha dholbach http://youtu.be/vKsx2KJ0Xb0 :D
[13:01] <nigelb> jcastro: Ha! I didn't realize you knew dcamp :)
[13:05] <czajkowski> dholbach: when is the release date want to add release party to the directory so teams can start to add
[13:10] <dholbach> daker,  :-))
[13:10] <dholbach> czajkowski, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule - 26th April
[13:12] <czajkowski> dholbach: grand job thanks
[13:13] <czajkowski> mhall119: have filled in all the details yet am not getting any error as to why the global event is not being created :/
[15:12] <dholbach> huats, I'll mark your "advertise initiative" d-a-t work items as done
[15:12] <dholbach> huats, I think we're quite well-staffed right now
[15:13] <czajkowski> release part created for precise on the LTP
[15:13] <czajkowski> *party
[15:14] <czajkowski> couldnt see the oneiric one
[15:14] <czajkowski> which was odd
[15:22] <dholbach> dpm, one for you: https://twitter.com/#!/paglia_s/statuses/177044781485146112 :)
[15:24] <dpm> dholbach, replied, thanks ;)
[15:24] <popey> hey guys... we need some testing!
[15:24] <dholbach> thank YOU
[15:24] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2012/03/06/improved-unity-files-lens-call-for-testing/
[15:24] <popey> really easy to test, and much needed improvement
[15:29] <czajkowski> popey: as you wrote a nbice blog post
[15:29] <czajkowski> will do some testing for you now
[15:31] <popey> thanks
[15:32] <czajkowski> just waiting on latest updates
[15:33] <jono> hey folks
[15:35] <jono> popey, btw, if you want things testing, you should chat to balloons
[15:35] <jono> he can help
[15:35] <czajkowski> jono: maidin maith
[15:36] <jono> czajkowski, eh?
[15:36] <czajkowski> jono: good morning in irish :)
[15:36] <jussi> hehe
[15:36] <jussi> hi czajkowski
[15:36] <czajkowski> dhia dhuit jussi  :)
[15:37] <jussi> and jono, popey, dholbach, dpm :)
[15:37] <popey> jono: cool, thanks
[15:37] <dpm> hey jussi
[15:37] <popey> we have some more coming up on friday
[15:37] <popey> but this will be pretty intense
[15:37] <popey> using checkbox-unity takes about 2 hours to fully test everything manually
[15:37] <jussi> czajkowski: google gives me weird translation for that... what does it mean?
[15:38] <jono> hey jussi
[15:38] <jono> popey, yeah, balloons can help with more focused checkbox testing as well; just wanted to let you know if you need some help
[15:41] <czajkowski> jussi: either god be with you or another way of saying hi
[15:41] <jussi> czajkowski: hehe, ok, thanks. google had "you god" :D
[15:41] <jussi> http://translate.google.com/#auto|fi|dhia%20dhuit%0A
[15:42] <czajkowski> popey: if this reboot dowesnt work after installing the lense I shall come and hunt you down :)
[15:42] <czajkowski> bbiab
[15:44] <czajkowski> back
[15:44] <czajkowski> popey: daft question time
[15:44] <czajkowski> is there a way to remove your history in a lens
[15:45] <czajkowski> I dont want to keep seeing all the old pics I opened up nor the movies I've watched
[15:45] <popey> open new stuff ☺
[15:45] <popey> it will push the old stuff out
[15:45] <czajkowski> yes but I like a clean area to work with
[15:45] <czajkowski> perhaps my ocd :/
[15:45] <czajkowski> it's not blank
[15:45] <popey> that kinda goes against the whole point of zeitgeist
[15:45] <popey> to find stuff you've opened
[15:46] <popey> anyway, system settings -> privacy
[15:46] <popey> has an option to delete history
[15:46] <czajkowski> ahhhhh
[15:46] <czajkowski> genius
[15:46] <czajkowski> cheers
[15:46] <czajkowski> also hands up in here who cares about blueprints they are the owner of or asignee of more than 2 cycles ago ?
[15:48] <cjohnston> not all BPs use cycles... would be my only concern
[15:48] <jussi> czajkowski: what cjohnston said.
[15:50] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[15:50] <czajkowski> discussion in launchpad-dev
[15:50] <czajkowski> cjohnston: mind if i copy you comment in there please?
[15:50] <cjohnston> thats fine
[15:54] <jono> dholbach, dpm, mhall119, balloons, jcastro meeting in 6
[15:54] <dholbach> yep
[15:54] <jcastro> yeaaaaaap!
[15:55]  * mhall119 is finishing his list
[15:55] <czajkowski> jono: should your name be still down there as a contact re issues with cds. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingCds
[15:55] <jono> czajkowski, no
[15:55] <jono> czajkowski, it should be Jas
[15:56] <czajkowski> grand
[15:56] <czajkowski> just mailing jher now to update the page
[15:56] <jono> thanks czajkowski!
[15:56] <cprofitt> nice catch czajkowski
[15:56] <czajkowski> as they annoucment for applying for cds should be going out soon
[15:56] <czajkowski> I'll be in there tomorow and helping her go through stuff as she's not done it before
[15:57] <cprofitt> hey JanC
[15:58] <balloons> filing a bug.. :-)
[16:00] <jono> alrighty
[16:00] <jono> #startmeeting
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[16:00] <jono> ladies and gentleman...boys and girls...it is the Community Team meeting!
[16:01]  * cprofitt cheers
[16:01] <jono> here you can here what the Canonical Community Team, dholbach, balloons, jcastro, mhall119, dpm, and myself have been up to
[16:01] <jono> feel free to ask questions throughout the meeting
[16:01] <jono> up first...
[16:01] <snap-l> what is Ubuntu? :)
[16:01]  * mhall119 wonders what our titles will be this week
[16:01] <jono> snap-l, it is like Linux Mint
[16:01] <jono> ;-)
[16:01] <jono> ...a man of unquestionable grandeur...dpm!
[16:02] <mhall119> that's it, I'm switching to Ubuntu!
[16:02] <jono> mhall119, lol
[16:02]  * dholbach hugs mhall119
[16:02] <snap-l> Cool. /me waits for Ubuntu pillow mint edition
[16:02] <dpm> hey all!
[16:02] <dpm> here we go:
[16:02] <dpm> App developers
[16:03] <dpm> * Kept working with mhall119 on the unity documentation, basically reviewing existing docs and setting up the pages and sections on d.u.c
[16:03] <dpm> * Ported the Unity Launcher documentation from the wiki to d.u.c with minor modifications
[16:03] <dpm> * Call with mhall, Kevin Wright and Zoltan to discuss API documentation and Unity on d.u.c
[16:03] <dpm> * Sent a reminder to Marco Ceppi about the work he wanted to do to add a feed of Askubuntu questions to d.u.c
[16:03] <dpm> * After answering an Askubuntu question on AppIndicators, I noticed the API docs on d.u.c were missing the GTK3 bindings: updated them on d.u.c and updated the coding example on the wiki
[16:04] <dpm> * Got a list of Oneiric backports with help from dholbach
[16:04] <dpm> * Provided suggestions to dpitkin for the promoted apps in March, including backports
[16:04] <dpm> Translators
[16:04] <dpm> * Handled community communication for knitzsche for the Complete Simplified Chinese Desktop
[16:05] <dpm> * Made sure all was clear and all questions answered on both sides
[16:05] <dpm> * Provided community reviewer candidates to knitzsche
[16:05] <dpm> * Triggered recording translation activity in the stats test site in preparation for the UGJ as an experiment: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/stats/precise/ - it seemed to work well and you can see the great work translators did over the weekend :)
[16:06] <dpm> * Provided feedback for a bunch of User Interface freeze exceptions affecting translations
[16:06] <dpm> LoCo teams
[16:06] <dpm> * Interviewed LoCo team leaders and blogged about the Slovenian and Catalan UGJ events
[16:06] <dpm> * Had chats with the Asturian LoCo team to add their UGJ event, which they finally did
[16:07] <dpm> Other
[16:07] <dpm> * Had a rocking UGJ in Barcelona :)
[16:07] <dpm> that's me. Any questions?
[16:08] <jono> thanks dpm
[16:08] <jono> no questions?
[16:08] <jcastro> looks jawesome dpm!
[16:09] <dpm> :)
[16:09] <dpm> jcastro, how can I best reach Marco? ^^
[16:09] <mhall119> dpm: have a good jam?
[16:09] <dpm> mhall119, it was great, I'll be blogging about it soon
[16:09] <jcastro> dpm:  he idles in here sometimes
[16:09] <mhall119> dpm: what did you guys do?
[16:09] <jcastro> I'll ping him now
[16:09] <dpm> mhall119, mainly translations. We wanted to do bug triaging, but we couldn't do everything
[16:10] <mhall119> cool
[16:10] <dpm> and we had a guided tour around the area from the people from the venue :)
[16:10] <jono> cool :-)
[16:10] <mhall119> around the venue?
[16:10] <dpm> lol
[16:11] <jono> thanks dpm
[16:11] <jono> ...alrighty, next up...our very own deadmau5.....now known livehamst3r...dholbach!
[16:11] <mhall119> lol
[16:11] <mhall119> you  should /nick to that
[16:11]  * dholbach was not available for comment
[16:11] <jono> hah
[16:11] <dpm> definitely
[16:11] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev initiatives: started putting process document together, including checklist for events. Planned FixIt Friday which coincides with UGJ, blogged about it, started propaganda. Had a great FixIt Friday, with lots of interest and blogged about it. Planning public Hangouts beforehand next time.
[16:11] <balloons> mhall119, has done it again...
[16:11] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev Advisory Team: invited a number of people to the team, was lucky enough to be able to recruit Andrea Colangelo, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio and Evan Broder to the team. Followed up with many many many contributors, collected feedback, helped four folks with their dev application. Had a call with huats, helped the new team on board. More team organisation, team mailing list.
[16:12] <jono> I like the smilies
[16:12] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev News: got a new update out there.
[16:12] <jono> so holbachian...
[16:12] <dholbach>  ☺ Sponsoring: put together list of folks who don't sponsor. Went through the queue and chased people according to their area of expertise to please help out. Fixed a crash in the Sponsoring Overview script, just to find out that Evan Broder had fixed this and his fix wasn't merged yet. Also fixed a bug in the Sponsoring Statistics (some email addresses contained "=\n" (ugh!).
[16:12] <dholbach>  ☺ Dev Docs: merged more fixes from Andrew Starr-Bochicchio, pushed some initial work on i18n to LP - I won't have time to finish it in the next weeks.
[16:12] <dholbach>  ☺ Some discussions with Desktop team folks about how to better organise initiatives for new contributors.
[16:12] <dholbach>  ☺ GSoC: helped some interested folks with questions about mentoring organisations.
[16:13] <dholbach>  ☺ Talked with mhall119 about using edit-patch for package maintenance.
[16:13] <dholbach>  ☺ Debugged checkbox-app-testing packaging with balloons.
[16:13] <dholbach> That's it.
[16:14] <jono> any questions for dholbach?
[16:15] <czajkowski> nope
[16:15] <dholbach> I love trello - it's really good stuff.
[16:15] <czajkowski> he's well busy!
[16:15] <jcastro> I like the sad faces
[16:15] <dpm> dholbach, what's the current status of GSoC? Do we have an application for Ubuntu already?
[16:15] <mhall119> "talked with" is putting it mildly
[16:15] <dholbach> mhall119, we all love understatement :)
[16:15] <balloons> dholbach, on GSoC btw.. I have someone interested :-)
[16:15] <czajkowski> jono: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1598/detail/  is created go fort and tweet :)
[16:15] <mhall119> dholbach: now that's a bit of an exaggeration
[16:15] <dholbach> balloons, we need contacts for mentoring organisation
[16:16] <jono> czajkowski, awesome, thanks!
[16:16] <czajkowski> np
[16:16] <jono> cool
[16:16] <czajkowski> mail sent to team contacts
[16:16] <dholbach> there's a some folks interested, but it needs some more coordination
[16:16] <dholbach> the deadline is Friday
[16:16] <dholbach> oh, and some great feedback we got about the d-a-t was:
[16:16] <dholbach> "emails like this make me even happier about what I do for Ubuntu"
[16:16] <dholbach> and
[16:16] <dholbach> "The email you sent just proves that I made the right decision about going Ubuntu all the way.
[16:17] <dholbach> which is super-encouraging :)
[16:17] <jono> nice!
[16:17] <jono> we always love to see things like that :-)
[16:17] <jono> keep on rocking in the free world :-)
[16:17] <jcastro> \o/
[16:17] <jono> alrighty...the man...the legend...the weird-fizzy-lemon-stuff-that-he-drinks....jcastro!
[16:17] <dholbach> dpm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2012 is the application being put together
[16:17] <jcastro> Alright!
[16:17] <jcastro> ## Jorge's Last Week Summary Extravaganza
[16:17] <jcastro> This weeks soundtrack brought to you by deadmau5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ6PZ3iBbMc
[16:17] <jcastro> aka, daniel
[16:18] <jono> lulz
[16:18] <jcastro> ## juju
[16:18] <balloons> deadmau5 again?
[16:18] <balloons> lol
[16:18] <jcastro> - 2 new charms from the legend George Edison, LodgeIt (pastebin) and StackMobile.
[16:18] <jcastro> - We now are up to 54 officially supported charms, just shy of 100 total.
[16:18] <jono> \m/
[16:18] <jcastro> (note, last week was Metallica, this week is deadmau5, gotta mix it up)
[16:18] <jcastro> - Les Orchard has started work on a charm for the Firefox Sync Server. This would allow you to easily run your own sync server for use with Firefox.
[16:18] <dholbach> guys... would I say something like this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadmau5#Comment_about_DJs ? :)
[16:18] <jcastro> - Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman has started work on the PHP Symfony framework.
[16:18] <jcastro> that's ejat btw ^^
[16:18] <jcastro> - James Mitchell modified a bunch of charms to use for his work deployments and talked about it on this post to the mailing list.
[16:19] <jcastro> - Juan Negron is working on a charm for distcc so you can easily deploy a compile farm.
[16:19] <jcastro> - New incoming moin charm, integrated with nginx too, quite slick.
[16:19] <jcastro> ^^ this one is shiny, just landed yesterday
[16:19] <jcastro> - All this activity is because of the Charm Contest we are running: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/02/juju-charm-contest-help-bring-free-software-into-the-cloud/
[16:19] <jcastro> - Webinar this Thursday folks! http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/02/juju-charm-school-webinar-march-8th/
[16:19] <jcastro> - Charm store CLI UI lands RSN, then all this will make better sense when you can actually use it, bear with me!
[16:19] <jcastro> - Call with the comms team so we can have nice juju handouts for events.
[16:19] <jcastro> any juju questions?
[16:20] <jcastro> ok moving on
[16:20] <jcastro> ## Other
[16:20] <jcastro> - Forum upgrade blocking on IS sourcing hard drives. Yes, floods. Pain in the neck, they're shuffling things around trying to figure it out though
[16:20] <jcastro> - Found out cloud.ubuntu.com was not using rel="canonical" tags for syndication, effectively burying the portal in search results everytime we posted. FIXED thanks to a plugin update from IS.
[16:20] <jcastro> ^ embarrassing
[16:20] <jcastro> - Partial jam with the Floridians on Friday, interview with Craig, didn't have time to interview Mexico, I'll have to make it up to them for release party time.
[16:20] <jcastro> - Linked up Ask Ubuntu engineer guy with our SSO guy so they can migrate from Launchpad SSO to Ubuntu SSO.
[16:20] <jcastro> - Found a "solution" to bluetooth audio, the results are loltastic, posted to -devel to get it on someone's radar. I hate UNIX: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-March/034902.html
[16:21] <jcastro> - My TODO for Juju: https://trello.com/board/juju-growth/4ec1696da3f94bd2ea5b2b01
[16:21] <jcastro> - My TODO for Other: https://trello.com/board/community-team/4e6febfb247e35000000aab1
[16:21] <jcastro> - ^^^ If there is stuff you need me to do that is not on there let me know.
[16:21] <jcastro> - Are you not entertained?!?! Questions?
[16:21]  * jcastro dances to more deadmau5
[16:21] <balloons> did you not mention the juju contest?
[16:21] <balloons> I know it's been going on for awhile, but I just noticed it :-)
[16:21] <mhall119> "partial jam" means he was on G+ for a little while before he walked out of the room and forgot about us :(
[16:22] <jcastro> not true
[16:22] <balloons> mhall119, +1
[16:22] <jcastro> I'd like to see how motivated you stay looking at the back of chris' head all day. :)
[16:22] <jcastro> balloons: yeah, it's been on a week
[16:22] <mhall119> but it's so shiny
[16:22] <jcastro> 3 new charms are already in the store
[16:22] <jcastro> and the other ones are incoming
[16:23] <dpm> jcastro, what's this "rel="canonical" tags for syndication" thing exactly?
[16:23] <jcastro> we consider entries in the contest only after they are submitted and pass review so they can be used by people.
[16:23] <jcastro> dpm: ok so
[16:23] <jcastro> when you make duplicate content on the web
[16:23] <jcastro> like, syndicate
[16:23] <jcastro> google doesn't like that
[16:23] <jcastro> it's what spammers do to steal content
[16:23] <jcastro> so they have a tag that you're supposed to use
[16:23] <jcastro> that basically says "I am using this content, but here is the canonical source"
[16:24] <jcastro> we weren't doing that, but we are now
[16:24] <jcastro> we likely need to make sure planet is doing it too.
[16:24] <mhall119> jcastro: can you email me that info?  It probably needs to be on the loco.u.c blog feed too
[16:24] <dpm> yeah, same for d.u.c, we should follow up after the meeting
[16:24] <mhall119> or better yet, file a bug against loco-team-portal for it
[16:25] <jcastro> I know this because I follow "canonical" on twitter. So I ended up learning about canonical tags, canonical the company, and the bible.
[16:25] <jcastro> mhall119: also I think at some higher level we need to be smarter about SEO
[16:25] <jcastro> if you just copy things around it can be bad.
[16:25] <jono> cool
[16:25] <jono> anything else jcastro?
[16:25] <jcastro> ok done!
[16:25] <jono> any further questions for jcastro?
[16:26] <jono> alrighty...step back and prepare for a solid dose of....wait for it....mhall119!
[16:27] <mhall119> alright
[16:27] <mhall119> * Got SUMO back up and running (and running properly in Apache this time)
[16:27] <mhall119> * Added list of Global Jam activities to the dashboard on loco.u.c
[16:27] <mhall119> ^^ I'd be interested to know if any teams used that list
[16:28] <mhall119> I know we had at least one team doing Quicklists/Keywords, but not sure if they got it from there or not
[16:28] <mhall119> * Hung out with the best LoCo Team around
[16:28] <mhall119> with some pretty epic cupcakes too, thanks again for bringing those balloons
[16:28] <mhall119> * Taught cjohnston how to debug in python, so that he's now a python guru available to help anybody who needs it
[16:29] <cjohnston> and now needs to review code
[16:29] <mhall119> yes, he needs to review code too
[16:29] <cjohnston> i cant review my own code
[16:29] <cjohnston> mhall119 needs to review code
[16:29] <mhall119> * Worked on getting updates on the status of Unity documentation for dpm
[16:29] <mhall119> * Discussed other Unity/Ubuntu doc work being done with Kevin Wright
[16:30] <mhall119> * Learned how to use edit-patch with the help of dholbach
[16:30] <mhall119> * Found and fixed a bug in edit-patch that was preventing me from using it properly for geany
[16:30] <mhall119> * Inadvertently learned how to use quilt
[16:31] <mhall119> * Figured out how to submit the edit-patch fix upstream to Debian
[16:31]  * dholbach hugs mhall119
[16:31] <mhall119> ^^ And as far as contributor on-ramp goes, ours is definitely smoother
[16:31] <balloons> :-)
[16:31] <mhall119> * Blogged about the community authors and work happening on Quicklists and Keywords
[16:31] <dholbach> that's perseverance
[16:32] <mhall119> * Updated submitted Quicklist branches with instructions for fixing and upstreaming their changes
[16:32] <mhall119> * Helped contributors getting their submissions upstream, fostering conversation between them and the upstream developers
[16:32] <mhall119> ^^ again, as far as welcoming new contributors, we're doing pretty good in comparison to some
[16:33] <mhall119> * Helped jono get the community-developed ubuntu django theme integrated with his accomplishments webapp
[16:33] <mhall119> * Got quickly-unity-templates uploaded (waiting on final review)
[16:33] <mhall119> * Got the new uds.ubuntu.com theme/content merged with uds-project on Launchpad
[16:34] <mhall119> that's it for me
[16:34] <jono> thanks mhall119 :-)
[16:34] <jono> any questions for mhall119 ?
[16:35] <jono> alrighty...kneel and bow to the QA master...balloons!
[16:36] <balloons> nice..
[16:36] <mhall119> not likely, sorry balloons
[16:36]  * balloons thinks jono gets better every week
[16:36] <jono> lol
[16:36]  * cjohnston thinks balloons sucks up to jono
[16:36] <balloons> ok, if I have to follow jcastro I'll one up with a 11 min song :-0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjSCO05pW4
[16:36] <balloons> for the updates
[16:36] <balloons> checkbox checkbox checkbox! Last week was all checkbox all the time :-) The precise beta1 release happened and we got out the call for some manual application testing using checkbox. It's been a great response so far. We've had several developers including the people in ubuntu responsible for gwibber, libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird, orca and more helping contribute.
[16:37] <mhall119> orca testing? finally
[16:37] <balloons> o yea :-)
[16:37] <balloons> In addition, the community QA members have helped contribute tests for shotwell, gedit, firefox, rythmnbox and more! Thanks to everyone who helped contribute. Special thanks to roignac who has seen something like 6 or 8 merge requests go in! Rock on!
[16:38] <balloons> AlanBell rocked out those orca tests btw.. glad to see it got some <3 ;-)
[16:38] <mhall119> AlanBell rocks
[16:38] <balloons> Last Friday, the call for running the tests came out, and thus far we've had 19 people there results into launchpad for everyone to see. I'm still working on parsing the data, but we've already had a bug found in eog as part of the testing fixed.
[16:38] <balloons> If you haven't yet had a chance to participate, but wanted to, it's not too late. Check out the wiki on how to run the tests -- http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/RunningCheckboxTestCases. Then submit your results. As always thanks for testing.
[16:39] <balloons> I also had the luxury of meeting the ubuntuone QA folks last week and discovered they are also looking into case conductor. We are now coordinating efforts in possibly adopting this tool.
[16:40] <balloons> Had a wonderful jam session with svwilliams, mhall and cjohnston and cjohnston's house. Some good work on the loco portal occurred, as well as a bit of work on summit. I got to learn more about packaging and using bzr; including setting up an environment. FInally, mhall showed us show python web debugging :-)
[16:40] <balloons> I also should mention I wanted to, but mostly resisted making everyone listen to Bob Marley for the entire event... it may have snuck in there at some point.. I can't be responsible for such slips...
[16:41] <balloons> We also put out a call last week for unity 5.6 testing, as well as wubi testing. Unity 5.6 testing has also gone well, and in general seemed to be a smoother experience on everyone than unity 5.4 :-) I expect didrocks will blog about more updates on that soon.
[16:41] <jono> lol
[16:41] <mhall119> we be jammin
[16:42]  * balloons thinks marley should have sponsered this session now ;-)
[16:42] <mhall119> too late to turn back now, you're committed
[16:42] <balloons> On the wubi testing, we got some people hooked up with Steve Langsek and I hope they will help fasttrack that testing process
[16:42] <balloons> wubi testing is not easy.. +1 to those guys
[16:43] <balloons> Also during UGJ. Cupcakes! I hope everyone got to feast there eyes on the cupcakes mhall, svwilliams, cjohnston and myself enjoyed during global jam. Others *cough* jcastro *cough* weren't able to enjoy them.
[16:43] <cjohnston> hehehe
[16:43] <balloons> Finally, looking forward to the future, for beta2, checkbox app testing will be expanding, adding more tests, migrating (fingers crossed!) to checkbox-qt, and doing some fancier reporting :-)
[16:44] <balloons> Questions? Concerns? Thoughts on jammin'?
[16:44] <balloons> Yes I was totally cooler than jcastro...
[16:44] <jcastro> \o/
[16:44] <mhall119> for those who missed the cupcakes: http://ubuntuone.com/15nClPfOMixOzysVmPzAsb
[16:44] <jcastro> this song is awesome
[16:44] <jcastro> also I can't really eat cupcakes anyway
[16:44] <jcastro> so either way I miss out!
[16:45] <jono> lol
[16:45] <jono> oh...the cupcakes...
[16:45] <balloons> lol jcastro :-) I know.. perhaps it was for the best
[16:45] <mhall119> it wasn't
[16:45] <mhall119> http://ubuntuone.com/2Uncqei1c1V6DkfLFZ8L0R
[16:46] <balloons> ^^ epic!
[16:46] <jono> haha
[16:46] <mhall119> side note, but isn't publishing files and getting a URL from the context meny of Nautilus not just one of the most awesome features ever?
[16:47] <jono> mhall119, indeed
[16:47] <jono> any thing else balloons?
[16:47] <balloons> that's be it
[16:47] <jono> thanks balloons
[16:47]  * balloons is confused at his own grammar there
[16:47] <jono> alright, I am up next
[16:47] <jono>  * General:
[16:47] <jono>   - Burndown looking good; progress is being made. :-)
[16:48] <jono>   - Did a full review of our work and things are looking good.
[16:48] <jono>  * App Devs:
[16:48] <jono>   - Coordinating work to get Unity docs online on developer.ubuntu.com. They will be online this week.
[16:48] <jono>   - Good progress on upstream targets work. Thanks mhall119.
[16:48] <jono>   - Discussing next steps with dpm around the idea of making app development more "social".
[16:48] <jono>  * Developers:
[16:48] <jono>   - Defining the on-ramp processes for the Developer Advisory Board to help the flow of developers.
[16:49] <jono>   - This includes ensuring we have a set of deadlines building up to DMB meetings. This should result in high efficiency for our developer growth.
[16:49] <jono>   - Cracking the whip on the engineering teams around the sponsorship queue.
[16:49] <jono>  * Juju:
[16:49] <jono>   - Good progress being made. Charming is growing.
[16:49] <jono>   - Putting in place some of the brainstorm ideas discussed with Jorge.
[16:49] <jono>   - Coordinating Juju/summit at Linux Plumbers.
[16:49] <jono>  * Upstreams:
[16:50] <jono>   - Discussion with the Desktop Team to flesh out a better workflow for upstream contributions (e.g. Quicklists) to ensure they fit their workflow and process.
[16:50] <jono>   - Review of the upstreams target list.
[16:50] <jono>   - Discussed next steps around Quicklists and SVG icons.
[16:50] <jono>   - Worked with Mike to define expectations around docs on developer.ubuntu.com. Thanks to dpm for helping with this.
[16:50] <jono>  * QA:
[16:50] <jono>   - Lots of prep and discussion getting ready for the Beta1 testing. balloons did an awesome job here.
[16:50] <jono>   - Beta1 was released. The response seems generally very positive.
[16:50] <jono>   - Synced up with the Desktop Team around some small issues to ensure they were triaged.
[16:50] <jono>  * UDS:
[16:51] <jono>   - UDS sponsorships have been chosen. Applicants should get notifications soon (if not already).
[16:51] <jono>   - Started kicking off the planning.
[16:51] <jono>   - Reviewed new website work: looks great!
[16:51] <jono>  * LoCo Teams:
[16:51] <jono>   - Lots of Ubuntu Global Jam outreach.
[16:51] <jono>   - Ran an Ubuntu Global jam locally - had a great time!
[16:51] <jono>   - Discussions with Comms Team regarding a LoCo competition.
[16:51] <jono>  * Translations:
[16:52] <jono>   - Helping to coordinate dpm's time with OEM needs.
[16:52] <jono>  * Ubuntu Accomplishments:
[16:52] <jono>   - We now have a mailing list - join at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-accomplishments-contributors
[16:52] <jono> please join and participate :-)
[16:52] <jono>   - Making good progress: the code-base is far more structured now.
[16:52] <jono>   - Starting to dig through the bugs list.
[16:52] <jono>   - Started building a web front-end for editing accomplishments in Django. We need volunteers for this if you want to help. :-)
[16:52] <jono>  * Other:
[16:53] <jono>   - Lots of continued 12.04 testing.
[16:53] <jono>   - Discussing some release planning elements around 12.10.
[16:53] <jono>   - Started putting the wheels in motion for our 12.10 roadmap.
[16:53] <mhall119> what activitied did your loco team do for UGJ?/w 43
[16:53] <mhall119> ignore the irssi bit at the end
[16:53] <jono> mhall119, we did some bug reporting, Juju related content, and I helped show some folks how to participate in some areas
[16:53] <jono> we also discuss the accomplishments work a lot
[16:54] <jono> ...shocking, I know :-)
[16:54] <mhall119> heh
[16:54] <jono>   - Further work on the 'I Make Ubuntu' branding ideas; working with Marcus around the imagery.
[16:54] <mhall119> cool
[16:54] <jono>   - Interview with Amber Graner - thanks, akgraner! See it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAH-8yq2EEk
[16:54] <jono> and that's it :-)
[16:54] <jono> any questions?
[16:54] <mhall119> jono: will the "I Make Ubuntu" branding be used during UDS?
[16:54] <mhall119> like on the shirts
[16:54] <jono> mhall119, not sure yet
[16:54] <jono> we are just discussing some designs
[16:54] <mhall119> ok
[16:55] <jono> I hope it can be ready in time :-)
[16:55] <jcastro> "I make Ubuntu, cupcakes"
[16:55] <jono> heh
[16:55] <jcastro> "Stop clubbing, baby seals!"
[16:55] <mhall119> I've been casually dropping the phrase
[16:55] <jono> :-)
[16:56] <mhall119> like on http://mhall119.com/2012/03/faces-of-ubuntu-the-non-developers/
[16:56] <jono> ok, so I think we are all done
[16:56] <jono> mhall119, awesome post
[16:56] <jono> :-)
[16:56] <mhall119> oh, one update for me
[16:56] <jono> sure
[16:56] <mhall119> david calle's graphic design lens, the first to go through the ARB's new process for lenses and scopes, was put up for a vote last night
[16:56] <jono> cool
[16:57] <mhall119> I've also shared my existing list of lenses with wendar so she knows what's in store
[16:57] <jono> cool :-)
[16:57] <jcastro> JES, more lenses!
[16:57] <jono> cool
[16:58] <jono> right, let's wrap it
[16:58] <jono> thanks everyone!
I gotta have more lenses!</christopher_walkin>
[16:58] <sandjkirkland> is this the right channel to ask for help with kernel crashes for oneiric
[16:58] <cjohnston> sandjkirkland: try #ubuntu
[16:58] <jono> sandjkirkland, #ubuntu-kernel
[16:58] <jono> #endmeeting
[16:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar  6 16:58:26 2012 UTC.
[16:58] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-03-06-16.00.moin.txt
[16:58] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-03-06-16.00.html
[16:58] <sandjkirkland> thanks
[16:59] <dholbach> brb
[17:04] <akgraner> jono - you're welcome - I've already asked your team when they have some time :-)  (I've noted their ever-changing titles for the occasion)
[17:05] <cprofitt> jono: great interview with akgraner by the way
[17:15] <czajkowski> jono: where do people file bugs re the accomplishments?
[17:18] <czajkowski> jono: disregard that found it
[17:23] <s-fox> Hello everyone, hope we're all well
[17:23] <cprofitt> hey s-fox; hope you are well too.
[17:23] <cprofitt> long time no see.
[17:24] <s-fox> I saw you yesterday cprofitt, I was just a little busy ;)  Haha.  I'm good thank you. I think last time we spoke my health wasn't that great :D  How are you doing ?
[17:32] <jono> thanks akgraner, cprofitt :-)
[17:34] <s-fox> Got to say, really digging launchpad at the minute :D Getting into the bug swing of things
[17:34] <czajkowski> :)
[17:34] <cprofitt> s-fox: I am doing fairly well...
[17:34] <czajkowski> actually a lotta folks must have used lp at the weekend to report bugs, but didt report bugs logged questions, had a field dau re tagging them on monday
[17:35] <cprofitt> looking at askubuntu.com right now...
[17:35] <s-fox> We've created a bug / request for the forum and lots of people are saying it affects them too. We're up to 32 people and 176 heat
[17:35] <czajkowski> maybe for future jams we could mentions lp questions, and tell people nice way to start off if they are unsure of logging and triaging bugs
[17:35] <czajkowski> s-fox: oh the one for the installer?
[17:35] <s-fox> Yes czajkowski :)
[17:36] <czajkowski> s-fox: not sure I'd like a business person to see the forums as a way to go for support
[17:36] <s-fox> Why?
[17:37] <czajkowski> s-fox: trying to find answers on the forums can be rather hard, page and pages to dive through in some cases
[17:38] <s-fox> Maybe, but I would counter that by saying it is very easy to ask a question and get an answer with up to date  information and a solution for your specific hardware set.
[17:39] <s-fox> Anyway, my point about launchpad being great still stands, I like the measurable community interest.
[17:39] <czajkowski> nods
[17:40] <cprofitt> yeah, I think askubuntu.com is likely the best resource we hvae for questions
[17:41] <cprofitt> forums are great for some types of discussions though... and I love the forums tutorials (the ones that get selected)
[17:41] <s-fox> I think askubuntu has its merits but some drawbacks.
[17:41] <cprofitt> s-fox: +1 - it is not perfect
[17:42] <s-fox> One of the general feelings i've seen is "lack of community feeling" - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1936163&page=2
[17:42] <cprofitt> I like the fact that answers can get upvoted -- so the 'best' answers get moved to the top
[17:42] <cprofitt> yeah... it does feel more clinical
[17:43] <cprofitt> as a Sys Admin I apprecaite that... as an end user that was less technical I would likely prefer the forum
[17:43] <s-fox> The drawback is in the scenario where an answer isn't given in a single post. What if the question evolves? Or has people supplying the first step of a process. Upvoting would move things our of order
[17:43] <s-fox>  /s/our/out
[17:43] <cprofitt> yeah, unless things are edited on askubuntu that would be an issue
[17:44] <cprofitt> it was my understanding that at times answers are merged to make one complete answer
[17:44] <cprofitt> but I would imagine that gets missed at times
[17:44] <s-fox> Doesn't that take up a lot of time by moderators?
[17:44] <cprofitt> well.. its community edited so not sure
[17:46] <s-fox> Personally speaking I would consider that a drawback, in that time is spent editing old posts rather than helping with new questions.
[17:46]  * cprofitt nods
[17:46] <s-fox> As you say, neither a forum or an upvoting platform is perfect.
[17:47] <czajkowski> jono: are the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing  up to date, running into difficulty at the daemon bit
[17:47] <cprofitt> yeah.... the person who invents the perfect 'help' resource will be a very appreciated and famous person
[17:47] <s-fox> Haha, indeed so cprofitt
[17:54] <s-fox> jcastro,  Perhaps I do not understand your terminology but is "noise" on launchpad useless posts with no helpful constructive comments?
[17:55] <jcastro> yes
[17:55] <jcastro> you can just click "it affects me"
[17:55] <jcastro> what would you rather read, "56 people want this" or 56 individual emails?
[17:56] <s-fox> I wouldn't want 56 emails saying the same thing, maybe just the one with a summary like "56 people want this"
[17:56] <bodhi_zazen> czajkowski: it takes some effort to find a solution, wiki, askubuntu, forums ...
[17:56] <s-fox> Thank you for clarifying
[17:57] <bodhi_zazen> Some questions have no answer
[17:57] <s-fox> @ jcastro
[17:57] <meetingology> s-fox: Error: "jcastro" is not a valid command.
[17:57] <bodhi_zazen> and the forms has many many more members then ask ubuntu
[17:57] <bodhi_zazen> Once askubuntu has as many members and questions as the forms it will look the same
[17:57] <s-fox> 1.7 million members :D
[17:58] <bodhi_zazen> At any rate, I have been communicating with dylan mccall on the issue and if I can not get resolution will as the FC to refer the issue to the CC
[17:59] <bodhi_zazen> There is no reason to exclude the forums, and in fact excluding the forms as a method of support is both inappropriate and causing friction in the community
[17:59] <czajkowski> you cna just chang eyour bug mail settings to not see the comments of course
[18:00] <s-fox> Just a thought but perhaps if I were an enterprise user I would make use of the paid support offered by Canonical. czajkowski
[18:01] <czajkowski> s-fox: yup so seeing the installer might confuse them
[18:01] <czajkowski> also no way I'd send my family to forums, I'd send them to askubuntu first tbh. bit less scary
[18:02] <s-fox> But if I were an enterprise user would I be expected to install the operating system? or if I were then would I expect any place to get support? czajkowski
[18:02] <czajkowski> eh/
[18:04] <bodhi_zazen> czajkowski: I think you are in the wrong channel, this channel is to build the community, not dis the forums
[18:04] <bodhi_zazen> Some people like wiki, some irc, some askubutnu, some LP
[18:05] <bodhi_zazen> Just because you have a preference does not give you the right to dis irc, forms, wiki, etc
[18:05] <czajkowski> bodhi_zazen: wasnt dissing
[18:05] <bodhi_zazen> Yes you are
[18:05] <czajkowski> was just my opinion, not saying one is better over an other at all
[18:05] <czajkowski> everyone has their own way of getting support
[18:06] <bodhi_zazen> You stated you opinion in an offensive mannor
[18:06] <czajkowski> I don't think i did tbh.
[18:06] <czajkowski> if I siad I HATE eating fish that bad
[18:06] <czajkowski> but fair enough
[18:06] <bodhi_zazen> I did and I am frankly disappointed , especially in this channel
[18:07] <bodhi_zazen> czajkowski	also no way I'd send my family to forums,
[18:07] <czajkowski> fair enough, sorry it wasnt meant that way at all
[18:07] <bodhi_zazen> That comment is completely out of line
[18:07] <bodhi_zazen> disruptive
[18:07] <bodhi_zazen> trolling
[18:07] <czajkowski> bodhi_zazen: I've said it wasnt and I said sorry, so why not leave it really.
[18:07] <bodhi_zazen> counter productive
[18:07] <bodhi_zazen> insulting
[18:07] <mhall119> okay okay, let's everyone stop for a minute
[18:08] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: don't exagerate please
[18:08] <dholbach> alright my friends - it's dinner time over here
[18:08] <mhall119> we're all on the same team here
[18:08] <dholbach> see you tomorrow :)
[18:08] <czajkowski> dholbach: nn
[18:08] <dholbach> bye :-)
[18:08] <bodhi_zazen> Please do not be disrespectful of the forums, I am on the FC and I spend a lot of time on them
[18:09] <bodhi_zazen> JanC: and mhall119 then please speak up when someone is disrespectful of the fourms
[18:09] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: please PM first, I don't believe for a minute that czajkowski would be intentional disrespectful to anybody in the community
[18:09] <bodhi_zazen> I have asked the forums staff to be more active in this channel to build the community
[18:10] <s-fox> +1 on engaging the community and improving relations.
[18:10] <bodhi_zazen> Sorry, I am just shocked to see this sort of comment in this channel
[18:10] <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: we welcome the forums staff, this is definitely a good place for them to hang out
[18:12] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen, s-fox, thanks for all the work you do on the forums (I know it's a lot, particularly right now with the upgrade stuff and security problems), sorry you felt attacked here
[18:12] <s-fox> Thank you pleia2 .
[18:12] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: I'm not sure how "scary" was meant to be understood (if that is what you were referring to)
[18:13] <bodhi_zazen> I am referring to:
[18:13] <bodhi_zazen> czajkowski	also no way I'd send my family to forums,
[18:13] <bodhi_zazen> We make great effort to keep forums family friendly
[18:14] <bodhi_zazen> And I am a family man, as anyone who knows me can attest, so yes I find that sort of language insulting
[18:18] <s-fox> I came in here and made a positive comment about launchpad and it moves massively off topic. I now feel insulted and disapointed. I bid you all good day.
[18:18] <JanC> well, that phrase might also depend on what her family's computer skills are, or what they are used to (or just the part of the forums she sees most...)
[18:23]  * mhall119 mails s-fox an "I"m sorry" beer
[18:30] <jono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing needs a few small changes
[18:30] <jono> as I landed a big patch last night
[18:30] <jono> czajkowski, do you want to install it?
[18:31] <czajkowski> installed it just having issues running daemon
[18:31] <czajkowski> on call atm bbiab
[18:32] <akgraner> Can a wiki page be created and then made it so only certain people can change the content.    (Well those people with the special wiki powers can right?)
[18:33] <cprofitt> akgraner: I believe so... I think some of the official documentation is not open to everyone... though I could be wrong
[18:34] <cjohnston> akgraner: can, yes.. will they allow, doesnt seem so
[18:34] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, that was the change
[18:34] <jono> czajkowski, when running the daemon now you need to run the following from the ubuntu-accomplishments-system dir:
[18:34] <akgraner> cprofitt, cjohnston thanks!
[18:34] <jono> ./bin/rundaemon.sh
[18:34] <cprofitt> yw akgraner
[18:34] <cjohnston> :-)
[18:35] <cprofitt> hey cjohnston
[18:35] <cjohnston> o/
[18:35] <cprofitt> I may have a person interested in hacking with you guys
[18:35] <czajkowski> jono: cheers
[18:35] <cjohnston> cool
[18:35] <cprofitt> he knows Python and Django
[18:35] <cjohnston> #ubuntu-website
[18:35] <cprofitt> he talked with mhall119 the other night
[18:35] <cjohnston> awesome
[18:36] <jono> cprofitt, cool
[18:36] <jono> what does he want to work on?
[18:36] <jcastro> sorry I was on a call
[18:36] <jcastro> I guess I missed the whole discussion
[18:37] <cprofitt> jono: I think he is interested in summit and loco team portal
[18:37] <jono> cprofitt, awesome
[18:38] <cprofitt> yeah... I might have to help him setup bzr... not sure if he knows that
[18:42] <czajkowski> jono: http://twitpic.com/8sunwr/full
[18:42] <jono> czajkowski, :-)
[18:43] <mhall119> cprofitt: who talked to me?
[18:43] <cprofitt> bobweaver
[18:43] <jono> czajkowski, just leave the daemon running and your trophies should appear soon
[18:43] <mhall119> oh ywah
[18:43] <jono> czajkowski, I see the share was accepted on the server
[18:43] <cprofitt> the guy I introduced you to the other night... that wants to code with you guys
[18:43] <mhall119> cprofitt: incredible!
[18:43] <mhall119> cprofitt: direct him to #ubuntu-website where all the web-devs hang out
[18:44] <cprofitt> yeah -- we did that the other night
[18:44] <jono> czajkowski, it can take a while for the trophies to appear...I have noticed a small bug that is slowing it down, so just leave it running
[18:44] <mhall119> we'll introduce him to daker and nigelb
[18:44] <mhall119> even though nigelb only hacks on Mozilla apps now
[18:44] <nigelb> :D
[18:44] <jono> czajkowski, also, feel free to file bugs :-)
[18:45] <czajkowski> jono: so all the locked ones should unlock at some time then when it notices I've things done
[18:45] <cjohnston> ]/8
[18:45] <jono> czajkowski, yep, if you double click on the them, you can see which other ones need unlocking
[18:46] <jono> czajkowski, can you click File->Check Accomplishments
[18:48] <czajkowski> jono: aye that works and adds content to the terminal
[18:48] <jono> ahhh here they come
[18:48] <jono> I can see them being validated :-)
[18:49] <jono> czajkowski, you should see the bubbles appear soon
[18:49] <czajkowski> oh huzzah
[18:50] <jono> czajkowski, you should then see many of the other accomplishments will be unlocked
[18:50] <czajkowski> sweet
[18:50] <czajkowski> will give it a propper test later on
[18:50] <jono> it might take a sec while U1 syncs them back
[18:50] <jono> thanks czajkowski
[18:50] <czajkowski> no bother am in the mood to break things :)
[18:50] <jono> feel free to join the mailing list at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-accomplishments-contributors
[18:51] <jono> brb, getting some breakfast
[18:54] <akgraner> jono 5 hour energy drinks - breakfast, lunch and dinner of champions  - or the sleep deprived :-P
[18:54] <akgraner> Dang it - I am going to have to do another re-install - sigh
[18:55] <cprofitt> lol
[18:55] <cprofitt> I never thought that stuff worked until I tried it once
[18:55] <akgraner> cprofitt, I know right :-)
[18:56] <cprofitt> I was amazed to be honest... with relatives from KY I was taught to believe most of that stuff is snake oil
[18:56] <akgraner> :-)
[18:57] <cprofitt> akgraner: did you see docmo's comment about jono's costume?
[18:58] <akgraner> nope - where?
[18:58] <akgraner> sorry head down in wiki page re-org stuff
[18:58] <bkerensa> akgraner: Aeroshots are good for energy
[18:59] <akgraner> bkerensa, I don't even know what that is
[18:59]  * akgraner googles it
[18:59] <bkerensa> http://www.aeroshots.com/
[19:00] <bkerensa> they are inhaler like shots of powdered energy developed by some guy from harvard
[19:00]  * pleia2 goes with "get more sleep"
[19:00] <nigelb> haha
[19:00] <nigelb> I think I'll take the "more sleep" road as well.
[19:01] <bkerensa> the idea is the powdered caffeine coats the back of your throat which has lots of blood vessels that instantly absorb it
[19:01] <bkerensa> :)
[19:01] <bkerensa> I will say the taste is epic horrible
[19:01] <bkerensa> :(
[19:01] <JanC> MDs have a good way to "wake up" for some time...
[19:01] <pleia2> I think "taking caffeine as injectable" is part of jono's burnout talk..
[19:01] <pleia2> ;)
[19:01] <JanC> inhale some pure oxygen...
[19:01] <bkerensa> indeed
[19:02] <bkerensa> Oxygen Bars are interesting
[19:02] <JanC> (well, "pure"--the stuff thay give patients)
[19:02] <nigelb> So, when you go to high altitude places
[19:02] <nigelb> They have "oxygen bars"
[19:02] <nigelb> they serve you flavored oxygen
[19:02] <nigelb> It is a requirement there btw.
[19:02] <snap-l> I never quite understood the point of Oxygen bars.  That's dumb. :)
[19:03] <akgraner> nigelb, :-P
[19:03] <nigelb> snap-l: Not when you're serveral thousand ft above sea level and the oxygen concentration is very low.
[19:04] <snap-l> nigelb: You might want to calibrate your humor. I'm messing with you. :)
[19:04] <nigelb> damit
[19:04] <bkerensa> nigelb: I have not slept well since I was in my teens :P nothing seems to work
[19:04] <nigelb> snap-l: How did I miss that :P
[19:04] <nigelb> I should sleep :)
[19:04] <snap-l> heh
[19:04] <nigelb> bkerensa: Woah. You must be like infinity.
[19:05] <nigelb> (Adam, he works for Canonical)
[19:05] <nigelb> snap-l: http://twicsy.com/i/hZ4uM
[19:05] <jcastro> and a very happy person
[19:05] <bkerensa> nigelb: Hmm idk a few of the Canonical folks here in Portland stay up as late as I do but they work with teams in europe
[19:05] <bkerensa> ;p
[19:06] <nigelb> infinity hardly sleeps from what I hear.
[19:06] <nigelb> and does totally fine
[19:09] <mhall119> nigelb: so did you, once upon a time :)
[19:09] <nigelb> mhall119: I don't do fine on low sleep.
[19:09] <nigelb> I get cranky.
[19:09]  * mhall119 is up to 97 irssi windows, wonder what happens at 100
[19:10] <pleia2> you revise your definition of irc addition to be higher than 100 windows
[19:10] <jussi> mhall119: you awake the sheeples...
[19:10] <pleia2> addiction
[19:10] <nigelb> pleia2++
[19:10] <bkerensa> Hmm so Google seems to be rolling out their product rebrands... Bye Google Music :D
[19:10] <bkerensa> I wonder what Picasa and Blogger will be renamed to
[19:10] <nigelb> mhall119: you run /foreach query /unquery to redeuce the number of windows.
[19:11] <mhall119> jussi: I for one, welcome our new sheeple overlords
[19:11] <nigelb> .ws 20
[19:11] <jussi> yay, someome got it!
[19:11] <mhall119> pleia2: +1
[19:11] <bkerensa> mhall119: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat  <--- just for you
[19:11] <nigelb> I 'm at 976
[19:12] <nigelb> lolwhat
[19:12] <nigelb> no
[19:12] <nigelb> I'm at 96 windows
[19:12] <pleia2> 976++
[19:13] <nigelb> What happens when you're on multiple networks.  There is an idea of starting a e-zine in ubuntu-rs community and some other communities want to help us (Linux Users Group of Novi Sad, Mint Serbia etc.) but we have some problems with organisation. May I ask you few questions about handling a young community?
[19:15] <Atlantic777> hope that this is the right place :D
[19:18] <czajkowski> Atlantic777: how can we help?
[19:18] <Atlantic777> So we started a mailing list, there are about 5 members who will give their sould for that e-zine and others which are just interested in the idea. Actual problem is that there are 2 groups, one which wants to start writing right away, and another which wants to stay calm for some time and see where to go and what to do next.
[19:18] <czajkowski> Atlantic777: always good to have a driver of a team tbh, only way things get done
[19:19] <czajkowski> Atlantic777: perhaps a good way to start would be draw up a plan of what the team wants to do, and also a time frame
[19:19] <czajkowski> how often it's to come out, what articles and then see who can help
[19:19] <czajkowski> over commiting is the fastest way to nothing happening
[19:20] <Atlantic777> czajkowski: so you suggest me to let both groups do what they want and form natural teams?
[19:22] <Atlantic777> Another thing which bugs me is what to do next. Go for 0 release of e-zine or wait for some time, build larger community and then start?
[19:22] <czajkowski> Atlantic777: no get them to work togehter, you need both to succcess
[19:22] <czajkowski> succeed
[19:22] <czajkowski> but I would say get them to write up what they want over an email or etherpad something they can work on and later refer back to
[19:22] <Atlantic777> They are just fighting at the moment. :D
[19:22] <czajkowski> :/
[19:23] <czajkowski> never helpful
[19:23] <czajkowski> it'll take someone to take charge to get the ball rolling
[19:23] <jono> czajkowski, did your trophies arrive?
[19:24] <Atlantic777> jono: hey, are you *that* jono?! :D I'm just reading your book. :))
[19:24] <jono> hey Atlantic777, thanks for reading :-)
[19:25] <jussi> someone want to do me a favour and make life supporting ubuntu easier? pur a way that tells the user the system version somewhere easy and simple! and create an alias for "lsb_release -a" that is rememberable and easy to communicate to a user!
[19:25] <czajkowski> jono: aye blog post coming now
[19:26] <jcastro> jussi: it's on the login screen
[19:26] <jono> czajkowski, oh wow, cool
[19:26] <czajkowski> no point in logging off have emea in 35 mins
[19:26] <czajkowski> then cooking dnner and not moving
[19:26] <jussi> jcastro: not everyone uses a login screen though.
[19:26] <cjohnston> jussi: just add "whatversionofubuntuamiusing" as an alias in terminal
[19:27] <cjohnston> and propose a merge
[19:27] <jcastro> they login via magic?
[19:27] <jussi> anyway, thats my grumble for the day.
[19:27] <jussi> jcastro: autologin? set up from ubiquity? (or doesnt ubuntu have that like kubuntu does?)
[19:27] <jono> czajkowski, if you are posting about accomplishments, could you include a link to the mailing list so people can join?
[19:27] <jono> thanks!
[19:28] <czajkowski> done
[19:28] <czajkowski> :)
[19:28] <czajkowski> so far ahead of you
[19:28] <czajkowski> :p
[19:28] <akgraner> Atlantic777, there are some really great suggestions in the book
[19:28] <czajkowski> jono: also updated your wiki page for the install
[19:30]  * akgraner should not wait 4 whole days to update - wow...
[19:31] <Atlantic777> akgraner: yep, I'm without experience, maybe even too young for task of community manager (19) but I'm moving forward everyday and the book is full of answers. I like to help people get on together and work something usefull but it seems that it's not so easy. :/
[19:32] <cjohnston> jcastro: IIRC your buddy should be finishing up the charm this week? I forget who it was
[19:33] <czajkowski> jono: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/03/06/ubuntu-accomplishments-install-and-have-some-fun/
[19:35] <akgraner> Atlantic777,  when you get to Chapter 11 - Jono talks about the qualities of a Community Manager - if this is something you want to do,  pay attention to that chapter and see which skills you need to develop  - it's never to early or late to start :-)
[19:35] <akgraner> brb reboot needed
[19:35] <cjohnston> akgraner: you've been saying that for 20 minutes
[19:36] <akgraner> I know it took that long to update
[19:37] <cjohnston> hehe
[19:38] <akgraner> I just wish when I rebooted everything would open and go back to the workspaces I had them on
[19:38] <cjohnston> did anyone else notice anything special about a recent update to guidebook? http://ubuntuone.com/6xreWvlx2adBm6PkJ6YS5w
[19:38] <cjohnston> akgraner: me too
[19:40] <cjohnston> jono: look at the guidebook update ^^
[19:41] <jcastro> haha awesome
[19:43] <mhall119> I didn't even know jono was working with them
[19:44] <bkerensa> jono: Do you know when the 2012 CLS Attendees list will be viewable?
[19:46] <jcastro> hah seriously it's 2:46 mhall119
[19:46] <jcastro> I haven't even gotten to my email today lol
[19:47] <cjohnston> jcastro: since you have so much time on your hands, I could use some help ;-)
[19:50] <cjohnston> summit.ubuntu.com has userdocs what? http://summit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html
[19:57] <koolhead17> guys am learning how to import/create custom icons for using it in Dia
[19:58] <koolhead17> will it be okey/permitted if i add one for ubuntu server <server with ubuntu> logo
[20:04] <mhall119> koolhead17: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking for
[20:04] <koolhead17> mhall119, http://dia-installer.de/howto/create_shape/index.html.en
[20:05] <mhall119> koolhead17: and you're trying to make a custom shape for ubuntu  server?
[20:05] <koolhead17> yes
[20:05] <koolhead17> yes
[20:05] <mhall119> so, like a server box with a logo inside or something?
[20:05] <koolhead17> and later upload to there main repo/code/system
[20:06] <koolhead17> mhall119, exactly server box with ubuntu logo embedded
[20:06] <mhall119> do they have any redistribution requirements on what is uploaded to their repo?
[20:06] <mhall119> as long as they're okay with the trademark restrictions placed on the use of the logo, then I don't see where there would be a problem
[20:07] <koolhead17> i donno.Dia policy, probably i will ask before submitting it
[20:08] <mhall119> yeah, I think it'll be up to them whether to accept it or not
[20:12] <mhall119> 98 irssi windows now...
[20:13]  * pangolin hugs mhall119
[20:13] <pangolin> you rock. thank you.
[20:14] <mhall119> what'd I do?
[20:14] <pangolin> just for being you. :)
[20:14] <mhall119> aw, thanks pangolin
[20:14] <mhall119> pangolin: you've officially made my day 100% better
[20:14] <pangolin> I'm glad I could help :)
[20:19] <cjohnston> pangolin: stop feeding the animals
[20:19] <pangolin> :/
[20:19] <pangolin> no cookies for you then :P
[20:26] <akgraner> thanks mhall119 !
[20:26] <mhall119> akgraner: you're welcome
[20:26] <mhall119> cjohnston: animals?!
[20:26] <mhall119> see if I help you anymore
[20:26] <cjohnston> lol
[21:05] <jono> balloons, can we have a call when I have finished lunch in about 30 mins or so?
[21:05] <balloons> sure.. I'm here ;-
[21:08] <jono> balloons, thanks, dude
[21:23] <balloons> I need more monitors! :-(
[21:24] <cjohnston> i have 5
[21:24] <cjohnston> if i hook up the 47" tv 6
[21:45] <jono> balloons, all set?
[21:45] <balloons> yesh!
[21:46] <jono> balloons, invite sent
[21:47] <balloons> not seeing it?
[21:47] <jono> balloons, hmmm
[23:37] <jo-erlend_> I was voted in as member today. \o/
[23:38] <jo-erlend_> are there any things I should want to do now? For instance, I'm eagerly awaiting my mail cloak. Is that something I need to setup myself, or is it fully automatic?
[23:38] <cjohnston> auto
[23:39] <cjohnston> just follow the instructions on the wiki for things
[23:39] <jo-erlend_> what "wiki for things" is that? :)
[23:39] <cjohnston> wiki.ubuntu.com
[23:40] <jo-erlend_> uhm.. Anything in particular I should look for?
[23:40] <cjohnston> membership
[23:42] <jo-erlend_> you're on a pay-per-byte connection, I take it? :)
[23:42] <cjohnston> yes
[23:43] <jo-erlend_> extra grateful for your help, then. :)
[23:43] <cjohnston> oh wait.. no.. im not
[23:43] <cjohnston> sorry
[23:43] <cjohnston> mis-read
[23:44] <jo-erlend_> well in that case, I'm just grateful.
[23:44] <cjohnston> lol
[23:46] <JanC> if you mean the mail forwarding service, that will kick in automatically after you get added to the launchpad "ubuntu members" group & the cron job is run, or something like that
[23:47] <jo-erlend_> ah, ok. Do I get notified when it works, or do I just have to guess? :)
[23:47] <jo-erlend_> my launchpad id is joerlend.schinstad, so I'll get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[23:48] <JanC> I suppose
[23:48] <cjohnston> yes.. no notification
[23:49] <JanC> try sending mail to yourself, and see if it arrives or bounces
[23:49] <JanC> ..:P
[23:49] <popey> its not fully automatic
[23:49] <jo-erlend_> I use GMail, which fakes some of those mails.
[23:49] <popey> the IS guy do some manual checks first and then run the script that does it
[23:49] <bodhizazen> congrats jo-erlend
[23:49] <jo-erlend_> thanks bodhi_zazen :)
[23:51] <bodhizazen> jo-erlend_: you can request a cloak in #ubuntu-irc
[23:54] <popey> jo-erlend_: you can also request a subscription to LWN which is handy
[23:56] <JanC> jo-erlend_: gmail is broken beyond repair AFAIK
[23:56] <jo-erlend_> JanC, agreed.
[23:58] <jo-erlend_> but I'm seriously lazy. I guess I'll find the time to setup my own services now. GMail is becoming more work than it's worth.
[23:59] <JanC> I have been thinking about not allowing gmail users to subscribe to mailing lists, because they cause 99% of all support requests to mailing lists admins...  :-(
[23:59] <jo-erlend_> JanC, that requires some elaboration, I think.
[23:59] <JanC> but of course I'm too friendly too do that


[18:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[18:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul  9 18:00:21 2013 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:00] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[18:00] <Dolasilla> o/ ...but I have a doubt
[18:01] <Cheri703> o/
[18:01] <pleia2> a doubt?
[18:01] <IdleOne> o/
[18:01] <Dolasilla> about the fact that on the wiki this time it's wtitten 19 utc
[18:01] <Dolasilla> so...in one hour?
[18:02] <Dolasilla> it looked weird to me, but I thought it was a decision taken during last meeting I missed?
[18:02] <IdleOne> says 1900 UTV in this channel topic also
[18:02] <pleia2> where on the wiki?
[18:02] <IdleOne> UTC
[18:02] <pleia2> ah, both times are listed
[18:02] <Dolasilla> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings
[18:03] <Dolasilla> I sent the email to the list taking it from that page on the wiki :/
[18:03] <pleia2> yeah, that's a mistake :(
[18:03] <pleia2> we always have them at 18:0
[18:03] <IdleOne> lol the topic says the 11th too
[18:03] <Dolasilla> I know but i thought it was changed last time I was not on the meeting
[18:03] <IdleOne> we are all really early
[18:03] <Dolasilla> :D
[18:03] <pleia2> IdleOne: of june
[18:03] <IdleOne> haha
[18:03] <pleia2> I never go around to updating it
[18:03] <pleia2> sorry
[18:03] <IdleOne> nevermind me :)
[18:04] <pleia2> well, let's have the meeting and if anyone shows up in an hour we'll fill them in
[18:04] <Dolasilla> ok :)
[18:04] <pleia2> (I have a meeting then, can't attend in an hour)
[18:04] <Dolasilla> fine for me
[18:04] <IdleOne> me too
[18:04] <pleia2> so, agenda item one: can I get help with handling meetings? I clearly need someone spot checking, I'm getting worn out :)
[18:04] <Cheri703> I'm good. and I'll be around in an hour and can point people at minutes or whatnot
[18:05] <Dolasilla> pleia2: I can help :)
[18:05] <pleia2> thanks, and thanks for sending out the reminder!
[18:05] <Dolasilla> pleia2: maybe I am not there at every meeting, but when available I can help :)
[18:05] <Dolasilla> yes, a wrong reminder ;)
[18:05] <Dolasilla> but the intention was good ;)
[18:05] <pleia2> sending out the reminder is usually when I double-check the wiki, topics, etc
[18:06] <pleia2> but I didn't have to this month, so didn't even think to double-check
[18:06] <pleia2> so maybe I should write down my pre- and post-meeting tasks so others can pick up
[18:06] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to document pre- and post-meeting tasks
[18:06] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to document pre- and post-meeting tasks
[18:06] <Dolasilla> this is a good idea, maybe share them on the wiki
[18:07] <pleia2> alright, now on with the agenda!
[18:07] <pleia2> #link  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[18:07] <pleia2> #topic blueprint
[18:07] <pleia2> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-1305-ubuntu-women
[18:09] <pleia2> so for my items, I created a doc for project survey questions and sent it off to AlanBell and Deindre a few weeks ago, hoping they'll find time to add some questions
[18:10] <pleia2> once I get their input we can start putting it together for circulation
[18:11] <pleia2> for the competition, I worked with Cheri703 to draft the rules and we published them here: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/ScavengerHunt
[18:11] <pleia2> Cheri703: care to update on other competition things?
[18:12] <Cheri703> Yep, question creation is in process, we have like 9 or 10 of the 20 we need. If anyone even has one or two question ideas, feel free to email them to me if you don't want to commit to coming up with more/helping grade.
[18:12] <Cheri703> Once all of the questions are in, we'll just create a google form and be ready to go
[18:12] <Dolasilla> Cheri703: can you send over an example of question, to understand the kind?
[18:12] <pleia2> if you submit questions you can't participate in the competition
[18:12] <Dolasilla> of course :)
[18:13] <Dolasilla> btw shall we add this to the list of rules?
[18:13] <Cheri703> things like "who was the first woman on the community council?" or "what was the full name/title of the first computer programmer"
[18:13] <Cheri703> things that are google-able
[18:13] <Dolasilla> Cheri703: ok
[18:13] <Dolasilla> Cheri703: so both Ubuntu world and tech in general, ok
[18:13] <Dolasilla> I will send you something if I get some idea
[18:13] <Dolasilla> s
[18:14] <pleia2> great :)
[18:14] <Cheri703> great! yeah, ideally with a women related angle, but if not, that's really fine too
[18:14] <Dolasilla> ok
[18:14] <pleia2> I added a few general ubuntu ones
[18:14] <Dolasilla> I will try to think
[18:15] <pleia2> Cheri703: do we have any career days sessions in the pipeline? if not, I can reach out to a couple folks
[18:15] <pleia2> I know czajkowski just got a new job so it may be interesting to finally reschedule her session
[18:15] <Cheri703> no, we were going to gather contact info for everyone and send out a "tell us when you're available" form
[18:16] <pleia2> I have all the contact info
[18:16] <pleia2> (in the very least we have lp ids for everyone and can contact them that way)
[18:16] <Cheri703> ok, if you could send it on to me, I will put together a form asking for name of session, general overview of what they'd discuss, availability, etc
[18:17] <pleia2> each person who volunteered has a todo item in our blueprint assigned to their lp id
[18:17] <pleia2> thanks Cheri703 :)
[18:17] <Cheri703> ok cool
[18:18] <pleia2> looks like that's it for blueprint items
[18:19] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[18:19] <pleia2> if anyone has anything they wish to talk about, please go ahead :)
[18:20] <Cheri703> uhm...
[18:20] <Cheri703> I don't really have much
[18:21] <pleia2> yeah, I'm pretty much done too
[18:21] <Cheri703> except this just came through my rss feeds and I felt I should share: http://cuteoverload.com/2013/07/09/this-just-in-kitten-in-crocheted-mushroom-costume/
[18:22] <Cheri703> a bit off topic but...yes
[18:22] <Cheri703> :)
[18:22] <Dolasilla> aw.....
[18:22] <pleia2> lol
[18:22] <pleia2> kittens++
[18:22] <Dolasilla> lol
[18:22] <Cheri703> And on that note, I'm done :)
[18:23] <pleia2> ok, we'll wrap up then, thanks everyone!
[18:23] <Dolasilla> thanks to you! :) bye
[18:24] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul  9 18:24:40 2013 UTC.
[18:24] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2013/ubuntu-women-project.2013-07-09-18.00.moin.txt
[18:24] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2013/ubuntu-women-project.2013-07-09-18.00.html
[18:30] <IdleOne> if that isn't one of the cuttest kittehs ever :)
[18:35]  * MarkDude would like cute kitten link- please :) (cant have enough of the kittehs)
[18:35] <IdleOne> http://cuteoverload.com/2013/07/09/this-just-in-kitten-in-crocheted-mushroom-costume/
[18:43] <MarkDude> Ty. +1 that IS cute overload as well as really awesome :)


[11:19] <mwhudson> ricotz, oSoMoN: good morning, did you get to try my rustc 1.33 packages?
[11:19] <mwhudson> ricotz, oSoMoN: i have hopes that my 7th (!) attempt to build 1.34.1 will succeed
[11:19] <mwhudson> (haven't looked at cargo 0.35 yet)
[11:30] <ricotz> mwhudson, hi, it didn't went so well yet, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[11:30] <ricotz> I am about to upload another snapshot
[11:32] <mwhudson> ricotz: "34:25.80 error[E0658]: use of unstable library feature 'integer_atomics' (see issue #32976)" ?
[11:32] <mwhudson> ricotz: is that the actual thing that is breaking the build?
[11:32] <ricotz> yes
[11:32] <mwhudson> hmm
[11:33] <mwhudson> is that something that stabilized in 1.34?
[11:33] <ricotz> the eoan package uses your intermediate 1.34.1
[11:33] <ricotz> the others are 1.33
[11:34] <mwhudson> er
[11:34] <mwhudson> well 1.34.1 hasn't built on amd64 yet
[11:34] <ricotz> correct, but on the other archs
[11:35] <ricotz> let's wait for the next upload
[11:35] <mwhudson> ah right
[11:37] <ricotz> upload is quite slow here, but should be up within the next hour
[11:40] <ricotz> mwhudson, btw you are allowed to use +dfsg0.x to avoid issues with debian tarballs
[11:41] <mwhudson> oh right i gues that would make sense
[11:41] <ricotz> mwhudson, please cancel https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/rust-stuff/+build/16794083
[11:41] <mwhudson> ricotz: cancelled
[11:42] <mwhudson> ricotz: we won't ever collide with debian here though because we repack the tarballs differently
[11:42] <ricotz> mwhudson, correct, but if you rebase on an official debian package, it avoids confusion
[11:43] <mwhudson> ricotz: ok
[11:48] <oSoMoN> mwhudson, firefox 67.0+build1 built fine on eoan against rust 1.33 and cargo 0.34
[11:48] <oSoMoN> I didn't test other series
[11:49] <oSoMoN> I had to backport an upstream patch, but that's not a problem in rust itself (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/1521249)
[11:51] <mwhudson> _finally_ https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/rust-stuff/+build/16795765
[11:52] <mwhudson> oSoMoN, ricotz: would uploading rustc 1.34.1 to eoan be appropriate at this stage? (I'm not going to do it now, maybe in the morning)
[11:56] <ricotz> mwhudson, should be fine if the tests are passing
[11:58] <oSoMoN> mwhudson, yes that's fine
[12:00] <mwhudson> two tests are failing, linkchecker which is probably the fault of my awful hacks to the docs build
[12:00] <mwhudson> and tidy
[12:01] <mwhudson> which fails with 'thread 'main' panicked at 'no entry found for key', src/libcore/option.rs:1038:5"
[12:06] <mwhudson> i guess i'll try to figure out what this is about tomorrow but it doesn't feel like a serious problem somehow
[12:53] <ricotz> mwhudson, fyi, to keep an eye on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/16796388
[13:34] <rbasak> xnox: I think I agree about where you're going with PATH in bug 1803958, but in addition, what about all the other "dangerous" environment variables - LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc? Seems to me that the environment should be cleaned up properly if it needs to be cleaned at all.
[13:34] <rbasak> (not a blocker for SRU - I'm still reviewing)
[14:36] <seb128> rbasak, hey, I reuploaded those xenial SRUs with non private bugs references, sorry for not catching that before uploading
[14:42] <rbasak> seb128: np. I tried to ping you before but you didn't appear to be online
[14:43] <seb128> rbasak, right, I'm at a sprint this week
[14:43] <rbasak> Oh, right.
[17:44] <bdmurray> ddstreet: Can you explain to me how bug 1811471 was fixed again for Ubuntu 18.04? I ask as it seems to have regressed for me.
[17:55] <sarnold> ow :(
[18:09] <bdmurray> xnox: ^^?
[18:46] <ddstreet> bdmurray per xnox that bug was intentionally regressed under the conditions i mention in comment 20
[18:48] <ddstreet> vorlon and xnox, that ^ is what i mentioned when we had the discussion about stripping out edns0
[18:48] <ddstreet> when i mentioned that would regress people experiencing that bug
[18:48] <ddstreet> bdmurray sorry if it's a problem on your systems :(  i had originally suggested backporting the actual upstream systemd fix, which i still think is the best option, but xnox seemed rather against that
[18:49] <ddstreet> maybe i should look again at the tcp pipelining support backporting
[18:49] <bdmurray> ddstreet: I don't really care about my comcast email and I know how to workaround but I worry about other people.
[18:49] <ddstreet> bdmurray as do i
[18:50] <ddstreet> i was overruled by vorlon and xnox at the time we had the discussion
[18:52] <ddstreet> an alternate approach could be to reinstate edns0 into resolv.conf but amke sure there are no cases where /etc/resolv.conf has any nameservers added besides the systemd stub resolver
[18:53] <ddstreet> that's been on my long list for a while actually, as using any resolvers besides systemd can introduce problems
[19:04] <alkisg> Hi, initramfs-tools passes the last cmdline parameter to pid 1 as its cmdline. For example, this tells bash to run sh: init=/bin/bash -c /bin/sh
[19:04] <alkisg> It affects at least bionic and buster. Should I file a bug about it in launchpad/debian?
[19:05] <alkisg> (that also means that if someone puts init=/bin/bash somewhere in the middle of his kernel cmdline, he gets a kernel panic, as bash can't understand its command line, e.g. "quit")
[19:05] <alkisg> *quiet
[19:07] <alkisg> root=/dev/sda1 init=/bin/bash ro quiet splash ==> that would run "/bin/bash vt.handoff=1", and bash would exit with error ==> kernel panic
[19:07] <alkisg> *it would run "/bin/bash splash", sorry, mistyping a lot today :/
[19:07] <ddstreet> bdmurray i opened lp #1829284 to backport tcp pipelining back to b/c :-)
[19:08] <Pici> 25
[19:17] <TJ-> alkisg: interesting; I cannot see how 'splash' is getting onto the cmdline of /sbin/init - certainly nothing else from the kernel cmdline does, and I don't see anything in the plymouth script that does that, it sets SPLASH=true and that just causes plymouthd to be started
[19:18] <alkisg> TJ-: I think the "read parameters" loop of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init, reads all the parameters, and "shifts", and then it calls init "$@"
[19:18] <alkisg> So it's passing the last one left, that wasn't shifted
[19:18] <alkisg> Let me dig into it...
[19:19] <alkisg> exec run-init ${drop_caps} ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" ${recovery:+--startup-event=recovery}
[19:19] <alkisg> While "$@" is whatever was left from some "set" somewhere
[19:21] <TJ-> alkisg: but the loop is reading /proc/cmdline not the init script's args array... or did I miss it reading its own command line?
[19:22] <alkisg> TJ-: I haven't found the exact point yet; true, it's using a for loop without "shift"; also, the kernel doesn't pass any parameters to initramfs' init; finally, in that run-init line, it's using "$@",
[19:23] <alkisg> so, so far, I'm thinking that this comes from some "set -- $var" command somewhere, which sets the last kernel parameter into "$@"
[19:23] <TJ-> alkisg: there are only 3 occurences of "shift" in scripts/functions and none related to the shell command-line (but to function args)
[19:23] <alkisg> TJ-: `set -- quiet` can cause this too; it's not necessary to use shift to cause it
[19:24] <TJ-> alkisg: i just checked here on "cat /proc/1/cmdline" and I see "splash" where /proc/cmdline contains  BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.15.0-49-lowlatency root=/dev/mapper/VG02-rootfs ro no_console_suspend acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2013" splash vt.handoff=7
[19:25] <alkisg> TJ-: oh, so it passed the previous one there, not the last one? Hm...
[19:26] <TJ-> alkisg: right... I agree that the end of init script with $@ does appear to be the source, but I'm not seeing how right now!  exec run-init ${drop_caps} ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" ...
[19:31] <mwhudson> rbasak: LD_PRELOAD etc are filtered out by glibc for any setuid binary fwiw
[19:37] <TJ-> alkisg: weird, there's only one "set -- ..." and that is in mask2cidr()  !
[19:52] <alkisg> TJ-: it seems to skip all var=value parameters; it doesn't pass those to the init cmdline, it passes all the single-word ones
[19:52] <alkisg> TJ-: which in your example above, is only "splash"
[19:57] <TJ-> alkisg: it doesn't though. See "ro" "no_console_suspend" as well as "splash"
[19:58] <alkisg> This happens from some point and on; e.g. I tried with "a test with var1=value and var2=value" and I got "a test with and"
[19:59] <TJ-> alkisg: interesting, I'm doing:  sudo qemu-system-x86_64 -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) -initrd /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) -append "ro no_console_suspend splash break=top"
[19:59] <TJ-> alkisg: and at the initramfs shell "cat /proc/1/cmdline" shows "/sbin/init" "splash"
[19:59] <TJ-> alkisg: which means *kernel* is passing it :)
[20:01] <alkisg> TJ-: I tried that previously with break=premount and a stock buster vbox vm, and the kernel didn't pass anything to init. Hm...
[20:03] <alkisg> I put "echo $*" in various places of initramfs-tools/init; they're all not showing the var=value parts
[20:04] <TJ-> alkisg: they won't, the values are all in /proc/cmdline
[20:05] <alkisg> They all show the plain "word" parameters
[20:05] <alkisg> ==> e.g. I tried with "a test with var1=value and var2=value" and I got "a test with and"
[20:05] <TJ-> alkisg: kernel's init/main.c::run_init_process() calls the init and sues arg_init[] which is populated thus:
[20:05] <TJ-> /* Anything after -- gets handed straight to init. */
[20:05] <TJ-> static int __init set_init_arg(char *param, char *val,
[20:06] <TJ-> alkisg: so is that somehow getting confused?
[20:06] <alkisg> Let me try completely on top of initramfs/init; if the problem is there too, then yes it's a kernel issue
[20:08] <alkisg> TJ-: oh my, yup, indeed. If "word1 var1=value word2 var2=value" is used in grub, then the kernel calls init with "word1 word2"
[20:09] <TJ-> alkisg: and start_kernl() has after_dashes = parse_args("Booting kernel",
[20:11] <TJ-> alkisg: aha! see static int __init unknown_bootoption() ... "/ * Unknown boot options get handed to init, unless they look like ..."
[20:14] <alkisg> ...I can't make any sense of that. In what point would one want /bin/bash to receive a "quiet splash" parameter? :/
[20:16] <alkisg> ...and it's receiving only the "single words that follow" init=/sbin/init; not the ones before; not the var=value parameters after
[20:16] <TJ-> alkisg: right, because the kernel detects those
[20:17] <alkisg> At least this allows for clean instructions: "put init=/bin/bash at the end of the cmdline, or else hell will break loose"
[20:19] <TJ-> in unknown_bootoption() any key=val is treated as an environment variable, anything without a value is treated as an init_arg *if* all prior tests did not 'consume' the option
[20:20] <TJ-> alkisg: and indeed, in the initialramfs do "env" you see all the key=value options
[20:22] <alkisg> I really can't imagine in which case "init" will find this butchered "$@" useful
[20:22] <TJ-> alkisg: actually, you have to do "cat /proc/1/environ" to see it
[20:23] <TJ-> alkisg: it's essential, it would handle passing systemd.log_level= and all other such options to init
[20:25] <alkisg> TJ-: the kernel will remove that parameter and will not pass it to init, because it contains the equals sign
[20:32] <bdmurray> manjo: The test case in bug 1764628 contains the same output for expected behavior and actual behavior... so is the SRU necessary or does the test cased need fixing?
[20:33] <manjo> bdmurray, looking
[20:34] <manjo> bdmurray, ouch.. I think that is a cut and past mistake
[20:35] <manjo> bdmurray, if you look comment #7 you should see before and after patch
[20:35] <manjo> bdmurray, I will mod the description to say see comment #7 for test
[20:36] <bdmurray> manjo: Instead of just changing Hypervisor vendor to horizontal?
[20:37] <manjo> ah or I can do that .. let me modify the description
[20:38] <manjo> bdmurray, fixed description
[20:39] <bdmurray> manjo: cool, accepted
[20:39] <manjo> thanks!


[02:01] <volkswagner> gretings
[02:02] <volkswagner> I upgraded 16.04 running Samba4 AD DC to 18.04 but samba internal DNS is not working
[02:02] <volkswagner> I saw info "unmask samba-ad-dc" but that didn't help
[02:03] <sarnold> check the logs / journal, maybe there's something in there?
[02:04] <volkswagner> Here's some info from log and samba config (I'm running Samba Version 4.7.6-Ubuntu) https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Q4dcdqt5dG/
[02:05] <volkswagner> also from nmbd.log server role = 'active directory domain controller' not compatible with running nmbd standalone. You should start 'samba' instead, and it will control starting the internal nbt server
[02:06] <volkswagner> is samba service replaced by samba-ad-dc in /etc/init.d?
[02:06] <sarnold> volkswagner: those logs are from four years ago, do you have newer? :)
[02:06] <sarnold> they might be logged to the journal, I'm not sure
[02:07] <volkswagner> that's weird
[02:07] <sarnold> volkswagner: it looks like there's a systemd service file for it /lib/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service
[02:08] <volkswagner> this is from log.samba  Failed to listen on <IP_ADDRESS>:53 - NT_STATUS_ADDRESS_ALREADY_ASSOCIATED
[02:09] <volkswagner> when running ps -aux what should samba internal look like? I have output in pastebin from today :)
[02:11] <volkswagner> do I need to remove/uninstall systemd-relsove?
[02:11] <sarnold> I'm not sure there, I've not run samba myself in ~20 years
[02:12] <sarnold> don't touch systemd-resolved, I think that'd lead to pain
[02:12] <sarnold> hmm
[02:12] <sarnold> how *are* you supposed to get this thing to work though.. maybe you can get samba to bind to specific interfaces?
[02:16] <volkswagner> If I stop systemd-resolve then restart samba my dns works
[02:17] <volkswagner> I found a thread that adds a line to /etc/systemd/resolved.conf with "DNSStubListener=no"
[02:17] <sarnold> woot
[02:17] <sarnold> that sounds reasonable
[02:20] <volkswagner> @sarnold thanks for pointing out my ancient log entries. I need to slow down!
[02:21] <sarnold> hehe :)
[02:21] <sarnold> I didn't spot them right away..
[02:23] <volkswagner> I think that worked a treat
[02:23] <volkswagner> doing more testing now
[02:23] <sarnold> sweet sweet :)
[06:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[17:08] <arooni> so upgrading an ancient 16.04 server to 18.04; saw that these aren't supported; https://gist.github.com/arooni/ab974fa96c481541964072d6a3a5c42f ;; what do you suggest i do once the upgrade is complete
[17:12] <teward> arooni: to start with a lot of those go and get replaced by other libraries.  If you *absolutely require* Python 3.4 then you're probably going to need to compile and install it yourself as a separate Python instance on system.  `libssl` gets upgraded to `libssl 1.1.0` and such.  Most of these are just tied to obsolete versions that get upgraded anyways to *newer* software dependency versions from what I can tell
[17:13] <teward> libssl, libvpx, etc. unless they are removed would just get replaced with the versions that *are* in the system
[17:13] <teward> (and mysql-server 5.5 isn't what's shipped anymore anyways)
[17:27] <leftyfb> arooni: simplified, do you require libssl or do you require libssl1.0.2? Will libssl1.1 work?
[17:32] <arooni> i believe the libssl is really just needed for nginx's web server
[17:32] <arooni> or perhaps some part of the ruby app i'm running
[17:32] <arooni> thanks for the quick and useful feedback everyone
[17:33] <arooni> would you folks recommend while i'm doing this to jump to 20.04 ?
[17:33] <arooni> also i happen to be running 20.04 on my dev laptop so that would be convenient
[17:34] <Ussat> I would not reccomend a upgrade like that at all, build new in parallel andmigrate
[17:35] <Ussat> Thats what I generally do anyway
[17:35] <TJ-> I've adopted a process for that of creating the new release in a container, duplicating everything from the host, then switching the root file-systems over
[17:35] <arooni> its because there are too many things that go wrong with the upgrade process?
[17:36] <Ussat> I just use ansible
[17:36] <Ussat> arooni, its because you are going from 16
[17:36] <Ussat> Just my opinion
[17:36] <Ussat> 'I also do this with ALL ypgrades
[17:36] <Ussat> again, just my process what I do
[17:37] <Ussat> I also use ansible which makes this process almost automated
[17:42] <leftyfb> also my opinion.... though they left so it doesn't matter :/
[17:43] <leftyfb> Ussat: what do you do about upgrading the host OS? My goal is to have 2x servers and move containers between them during the upgrade of the host OS
[18:05] <Ussat> leftyfb, I build new in parallel then migrate apps/data
[18:05] <Ussat> I have a lot of this automated w/ansible
[18:06] <leftyfb> Ussat: you rebuild every container onto a new host?
[18:06] <Ussat> I dont use containers
[18:06] <Ussat> well, thats not totally true, I have a couple.......maby, 4 or 5 ?
[18:07] <Ussat> but almost everything I have is a VM also


[02:34] <Juzzy> I need to find some mega diy christmas lights guys
[02:46] <wrst> What are you up to?
[02:46] <wrst> Something about that sounds like a neat project is ahead
[03:18] <Juzzy> hah well
[03:19] <Juzzy> I'm clearing a 2300' road
[03:19] <Juzzy> making a road in the woods
[03:19] <Juzzy> for 14 christmas light scenes
[03:19] <Juzzy> just build my first tree, aprox 9' tall :D
[03:20] <Juzzy> I got a ton of raw materials and lights, just need time... or hire it out
[03:21] <wrst> Oh wow
[03:21] <wrst> My dad did a fence around that distance and nothing fancy
[03:21] <wrst> Lots of extension cords
[20:26] <Juzzy> ya I make my own cords using zip cord
[20:26] <Juzzy> and these http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Black-SPT-1-SPT-2-Vampire_60275639403.html?spm=a2700.7724838.35.1.oaPhbF


[05:21] <IdleOne> I don't think I have ever seen anybody give up on becoming a member so quickly
[05:22] <bioterror> go write some testimonials on my ubuntu member section on my wiki page, I can then apply for a ubuntu spoof :D
[05:30] <elky> o.O
[06:42] <bazhang> what is it with chasing the latest packages, even the kernel
 woot-0854: I don't agree to the EULA, though, so I'm not supposed to continue the installation. >.>
[06:45] <bazhang> EULA in the software centre?
[06:46] <Myrtti> why not, Sun Java had one
 Moonlightning: open up an ssh for me ?
[06:51] <bazhang> that seems an odd request
[07:02] <bazhang> so it's the microsoft core fonts eula
[07:27] <bazhang> please help out in #ubuntu . I GIVE UP
[08:22] <Jordan_U> People really think "get a refund from your credit card company" is a valid response to "How do I download a second copy of the app I already paid for via software Center?"?
[08:24] <tsimpson> next to the comments about Ubuntu not selling them the software, apparently
[08:34] <Jordan_U> Does that mean that Munzx resolved their problem or not?
[08:34] <tsimpson> I'm going to say "yes", much easier that way
[09:24]  * AlanBell goes to find out who's problem purchased apps are
[10:07] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pay
[10:07] <AlanBell> we need a factoid that points there
[10:12] <AlanBell> information about purchasing applications from the Ubuntu Software Center including refunds and reinstalls and license keys can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pay
[10:12] <AlanBell> something like that?
[10:12] <tsimpson> there should probably be some commas inserted, but yeah :)
[10:15] <AlanBell> paidapps is <reply> information about purchasing applications from the Ubuntu Software Center including refunds, reinstalls and license keys can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pay
[10:16] <AlanBell> !usc is <alias> paidapps
[10:16] <AlanBell> !usc
[10:17] <AlanBell> now should I have used the American spelling or the correct spelling I wonder
[10:24] <Myrtti> no.
[10:28] <AlanBell> no to which?
[10:43] <elky> given it comes from Myrtti, the former, i'd assume
[10:43] <Myrtti> correct spelling, plz
[10:48] <Tm_T> correct spelling ofcourse
[10:49] <Tm_T> why you even ask is beyond me
[10:49] <Tm_T> you're, asking, chomp!
[10:49]  * Tm_T hides
[12:19] <bazhang> wonder if there's a factoid/link explaining the move away from aptitude to apt-get
[12:19] <Pici> aptitude can't handle multiarch
[12:19] <Pici> !aptitud
[12:19] <Pici> !aptitude
[12:20] <bazhang> blackshirt seems to be out of date as to his knowledge of that
[12:20] <bazhang> thanks Pici
[12:20] <Pici> np
[12:34] <AlanBell> !paidapps
[12:34] <AlanBell> correct spelling
[16:24] <bazhang> thought LINT was banned
[16:26] <bazhang> guess not
[18:36] <Unit193> The !paidapps factoid has a misspelling, and extra space. ;)
[18:40] <IdleOne> !paidapss
[18:40] <IdleOne> !paidapps
[18:41] <IdleOne> centre and center are both acceptable spellings. I don't see the extra space
[18:42] <Unit193> (Making a joke on the scrollback, and that doesn't matter.  "license keys can be  found")
[21:15] <AlanBell> oh, spaces creep in when you copy and paste from irssi
[21:15] <AlanBell> !paidapps
[21:15] <AlanBell> fixored
[22:33] <mneptok> it's spelled "Ubuntu Software Center" in my apps menu.
[22:33] <knome> it's not spelled in my apps menu
[22:33] <knome> hmmm... :)
[23:31] <mneptok> do something for me, boys.
[23:31] <mneptok> if i should die at sea, boys.
[23:31] <mneptok> write a little note, boys.
[23:32] <mneptok> set it off afloat, saying ...
[23:32] <mneptok> HAPPY TALK LIKE A PIRATE DAY!
[23:57] <IdleOne> !ping
[23:57] <IdleOne> !list