[00:05] <SrPx> I'm trying to launch Lemonbar on Ubuntu with BSPWM, but the font is too small on my 4k screen. Is it possible to increase the font size? What exactly do I need to type to do that? Someone suggested to change the font, but I have no idea what the proper syntax is. 'lemonbar -p -f "Ubuntu Mono"' says "Could not load font".
[00:16] <OnkelTem> Hi all. Is there a GUI-way to encrypt my home after installing Kubuntu?
[00:16] <OnkelTem> Say I don't want to bother with command line right away...
[00:19] <oerheks> OnkelTem, not that i know off ..
[00:20] <mason> OnkelTem: GUI, no clue, but if you used LVM, you can probably slice off some space and encrypt it, and slide it into place as your home.
[00:20] <mason> OnkelTem: If you didn't, you can still do it, but it's a little more involved.
[00:21] <oerheks> a guide; https://www.howtogeek.com/116032/how-to-encrypt-your-home-folder-after-installing-ubuntu/
[00:21] <OnkelTem> yeah, I saw that article. Was not sure however how is it up to date. I'm installing 20.04 now
[00:21] <oerheks> create new user, perform encryption on the 1st user, done
[00:21] <OnkelTem> yeah
[00:21] <OnkelTem> ok
[00:22] <oerheks> one better doe this with from the installer .. but you can, afterwards
[00:22] <OnkelTem> I forgot to do it during installation :)
[00:22] <tomreyn> my understanding is that ecryptfs is no longer recommended
[00:23] <SrPx> if anyone has any clue please let me know, I've spent the last hours trying to adjust the size of lemonbar to no success :(
[00:37] <oerheks> tomreyn,  ah, fscrypt , https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1756840
[00:38] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how well tested fscrypt is at this point, but generally, yes.
[01:56] <WaV> pavlos: I installed tigervnc briefly and it worked fine in regards to the problem I was having with Vino, both on the Internet and locally; however, I had screen repainting issues and got rid of it. With that said, the issue appears to be isolated to Vino itself.
[01:57] <WaV> tomreyn: ^ FYI just because you were assisting as well.
[02:01] <pavlos> WaV: good to know but I have no idea why vino-server acts like that.
[02:02] <WaV> Me eihter. Quite honestly, I don't think it's worth messing with anymore. There aren't going to be many cases where I absolutely NEED to VNC while here locally. Just something I noticed and unfortunately went down a rabbit hole for a good portion of the day.
[02:04] <pavlos> WaV: well, it was a good troubleshooting session ...
[02:39] <pavlos> WaV: there is a vncviewer .deb file from here https://www.realvnc.com/en/connect/download/viewer/linux/ can you install that on your client and try to connect to the vino server w/o ssh since you're on the same network?
[02:40] <snadge> so i just embarassed myself in a webcam meeting, because updating the default audio device using the settings -> sound configuration, doesn't update the default audio device
[02:40] <WaV> pavlos: Actually I was just about to update you
[02:40] <snadge> when i hit "test" on the output device, pavucontrol shows it coming out the onboard audio, instead of the selected device (either my usb headset or my usb soundcard)
[02:40] <WaV> pavlos: I did without ssh tunnelling and it is working fine
[02:41] <pavlos> WaV: are we missing some parameter on the tunnel??
[02:41] <WaV> pavlos: For about 4 minutes now which is longer than ever before.
[02:41] <snadge> im wondering if i've installed an update which has broken something with relation to my sound settings (ubuntu 20.04)
[02:42] <WaV> pavlos: If we are, then why would it work fine over the Internet?
[02:42] <WaV> pavlos: Nevermind it just closed.
[02:42] <pavlos> WaV: this is spooky ....
[02:42] <WaV> Lol. Oh well I'm going to bed
[02:43] <pavlos> ok, g'night
[02:44] <snadge> is anyone else on 20.04 having issues with default sound device selection? or could at least point me in a direction for what to look at?
[03:23] <Carmageddon> hey, I downloaded Ubuntu 18.04 LTS through Vagrant, running via Virtual Box - but there is no information how to login? ubuntu/ubuntu is not working
[03:23] <Carmageddon> how do I login and reset the root pass?
[03:23] <tatertots> Carmageddon: consult your VPS/hosting vendor
[03:24] <Carmageddon> tatertots: I am running on my own desktop machine..
[03:25] <tatertots> Carmageddon: your ubuntu virtual appliance was created for you
[03:25] <tatertots> Carmageddon: you did not install it from the ISO
[03:25] <tatertots> Carmageddon: if you had, you would have created your own passwords
[03:26] <Carmageddon> yeah thats true.. alright, thanks
[03:26] <tatertots> Carmageddon: so you should ask the entity who created your virtual system
[03:27] <oerheks> there must be info at that vagrant site
[03:28] <oerheks> vagrant/vagrant perhaps?
[04:46] <vlad88sv> Hello can I get please get some help with a odd behavior in a Spanish keyboard?
[04:48] <tatertots> vlad88sv: have you tested a known good keyboard?
[04:55] <vlad88sv> @tatertots: yes I have, actually the issues is this: I set the keyboard as Spanish-Latam, a the greater-than Key works perfectly in a TTY but under KDE is only allows me to use the variant as if I have Shift pressed all the time, but only on this key
[04:56] <tatertots> vlad88sv: was it the same with the known good keyboard? yes/no
[04:56] <vlad88sv> Yes
[04:57] <oerheks> you want to know howto switch on Gnome?
[04:57] <oerheks> or disable that shortkey?
[04:58] <vlad88sv> oerheks: I just want to have that key working as it was in 19.04, 19.10, etc.
[04:59] <vlad88sv> But it seems that after 20.04 that specific key doesn't work on KDE, but on the same PC if I switch to a TTY then it works
[05:00] <vlad88sv> I'm talking about the keyboard key that has < and > in an Spanish-latam keyboard
[05:01] <vlad88sv> Like this one https://sites.google.com/site/brightmeasurement/_/rsrc/1365451953681/Home/keyboard-for-english-around-the-word/kb04%20mex%20columbia.JPG
[05:04] <oerheks> vlad88sv, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-es
[05:04] <vlad88sv> thanks! - I think I got it fixed, probably it was a glitch with the upgrade
[05:05] <vlad88sv> I deleted all the layouts and re added them, now it works :)
[05:05] <vlad88sv> Thank you for your time
[05:05] <oerheks> good find, have fun!
[05:50] <jusss> since when ubuntu won't release 32bit iso file?
[05:51] <jusss> I have an old device, 2G RAM, intel baytrail cpu, I tried 20.04 amd64, not smooth...
[05:51] <jusss> it has a freeze when running firefox
[05:52] <M_aD> jusss: they dropped it a while ago, this was know to happen
[05:52] <M_aD> know/known
[05:53] <jusss> M_aD: ... what about that old devices
[05:53] <M_aD> over and done
[05:53] <M_aD> 32 bit that is
[05:54] <jusss> M_aD: Debian and Archlinux have the same way?
[05:54] <M_aD> Ubuntu requiers 4GB minimum
[05:55] <M_aD> archlinux is 64bit only
[05:55] <M_aD> debian still has 32 bit
[05:56] <jusss> but debian lacks some drivers in its iso file
[05:56] <M_aD> jusss: there are also iso's with drivers and firmware
[05:56] <jusss> I saw there's `Ubuntu safe graphics`, what this mean?
[05:58] <M_aD> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1138137/what-is-safe-graphics-mode
[05:58] <AlecTaylor> hi
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> jusss: lubuntu 20.04 to the rescue
[05:59] <M_aD> jusss: besides that... a lot of distro projects dropped or are dropping 32bit.
[05:59] <AlecTaylor> Debugging a friend's laptop that won't login X session on Ubuntu 20.04, just returns to the login screen. I went to a different tty logged in and startx then worked
[05:59] <jusss> aha, modesetting instead of intel i915 driver as default
[06:00] <AlecTaylor> How do I fix it? - I also tried `dconf reset -f /org/gnome/`
[06:00] <jusss> AlecTaylor: gnome?
[06:00] <AlecTaylor> yeah all defaults on a new Ubuntu 20.04 install
[06:01] <tatertots> AlecTaylor: do you have access to the computer right now?
[06:01] <AlecTaylor> yeah
[06:01] <tatertots> AlecTaylor: do you have network connectivity in tty?
[06:01] <tatertots> AlecTaylor: you can ping something to test
[06:01] <AlecTaylor> (writing from my computer) - yeah it has network conn
[06:01] <AlecTaylor> lynx works
[06:02] <tatertots> AlecTaylor: in terminal>     journalctl -p 3|nc termbin.com 9999
[06:02] <tatertots> AlecTaylor: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link...say so
[06:03] <AlecTaylor> AHH, interesting
[06:03] <jusss> AlecTaylor: https://askubuntu.com/questions/788900/login-loop-on-ubuntu-gnome-16-04
[06:04] <jusss> AlecTaylor: try sudo chown ~/.Xauthority
[06:04] <AlecTaylor> I did already
[06:15] <jusss> lotuspsychje: I don't find a lubuntu 32bit release iso file
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> jusss: there are no 20.04 32bits anymore, last was 18.04 to provide 32bit flavours
[06:16] <M_aD> jusss: is your old computer 32 or 64 bit?
[06:17] <jusss> M_aD: 64bit with 2GB RAM
[06:17] <M_aD> then try lubuntu 20.04 64bit
[06:18] <M_aD> if that doesn't work your only options are either to drop the pc in the bin or go Debian
[06:19] <jusss> M_aD: I found there's also xubuntu
[06:19] <M_aD> too heavy for your old computer
[06:19] <jusss> it reqire 512M RAM
[06:19] <M_aD> nope
[06:19] <M_aD> 2GB to run smoothly
[06:20] <jusss> M_aD: xubuntu is more expensive than lubuntu?
[06:20] <M_aD> the site isn't up to date i guess
[06:20] <jusss> xfce and lxde IIRC
[06:20] <jusss> I see
[06:20] <M_aD> LXQt is what Lubuntu uses now
[06:20] <M_aD> iirc
[06:22] <M_aD> from the xubuntu site : Recommended system resources    To get a smooth experience when running multiple applications parallel on the desktop, it is recommended to have a 1.5Ghz Dual Core processor with at least 2 GB of memory.
[06:22] <M_aD> believe me, even 1 GB isn't sufficient
[06:23] <jusss> M_aD: lubuntu use modesetting as default?
[06:23] <M_aD> i don't know
[06:24] <M_aD> never used lubuntu myself
[06:24] <jusss> hey, what about wayland, I heard it a few years ago, how it goes now?
[06:24] <jusss> there's wayland, xwayland on archlinux
[06:24] <M_aD> that's more offtopic banter
[06:24] <jusss> xwayland is just a layer which is still on xorg
[06:24] <jusss> ok
[06:26] <M_aD> wayland still feels like alpha/beta after 11 years of development and still doesn't work as should. Fedora uses it as default on their Workstation with Gnome.
[06:27] <M_aD> anyway, i'm afk. Need to sleep.
[06:59] <SrPx> How do I change the mouse speed? I've ran xinput list-props 19 and  this is what I see:
[07:00] <SrPx> https://pastebin.com/fiF5deYp
[07:00] <SrPx> nothing related to mouse speed
[07:00] <SrPx> my mouse is too fast
[07:06] <AlecTaylor> hi
[07:07] <AlecTaylor> How do I debug why an Ubuntu 20.04 computer logs out immediately after login? - Going to another tty, `startx` works. - I also tried `dconf reset -f /org/gnome/`
[07:07] <AlecTaylor> Here is the `journalctl -p 3` output as requested earlier by tatertots https://dpaste.org/GYQO
[07:23] <jusss> AlecTaylor: try to delete ~/.ICEauthority
[07:23] <AlecTaylor> Tried that also
[07:24] <AlecTaylor> Also tried removing ~/.Xauthority
[07:33] <zamba> i have no idea what i'm doing wrong with my ubuntu installations, but all my installations has this issue that whenever there's a lot of disk i/o the whole graphical desktop environment more or less freezes
[07:33] <zamba> the mouse pointer freezes.. audio stops..
[07:53] <jusss> zamba: what's your cpu type?
[07:54] <zamba> i5-9500T
[07:56] <jusss> then I don't know, I know there's a issue on intel baytrail, it needs to disable C-States
[07:57] <jusss> or set C-States to C1 to avoid random freeze
[08:05] <zamba> what is c-states?
[08:11] <tatertots> zamba: something found in BIOS, which you probably aren't familiar with either
[08:11] <AlecTaylor> How do I debug why an Ubuntu 20.04 computer logs out immediately after login? - Going to another tty, `startx` works. - I also tried `dconf reset -f /org/gnome/`
[08:14] <zamba> tatertots: oh wow, ok
[08:32] <SrPx> any idea why lemonbar works if I write `~/launch.sh &` manually, but not if I place that line on bsprcwm?
[09:40] <andi_> can i replace the <IP_ADDRESS> localhost with <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu.example.com localhost ubuntu
[09:41] <andi_> i want to join a ADS domain, and i thought adding the line would be enough, but it seems like if i have <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu.example.com localhost ubuntu in another line it isn't working?
[10:42] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:59] <tatertots> andi_: have you tried to join AD yet?
[11:07] <elias_a> What was the date where 18.04 Ubuntu installations should notify users about 20.04?
[11:07] <elias_a> when....
[11:08] <elias_a> BluesKaj: Good afternoon!
[11:09] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[11:09] <oerheks> hmm any day i guess
[11:12] <elias_a> oerheks: Thanks!
[11:12] <elias_a> Guess it is not late July yet. :P
[11:13] <BluesKaj> hi elias_a
[11:18] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases states that 20.04.1 is scheduled for August 6th. In my experience, release upgrades are enabled within a couple days or weeks after the .1 point release.
[11:19] <elias_a> tomreyn: Ok. Thanks. I had forgotten this practise.
[11:19] <tomreyn> when this happens, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts will list "Dist: focal" (20.04)
[11:22] <oerheks> good thing to edit the factoid
[11:23] <tomreyn> (And this would trigger the "your system is up to date. A newer release is available." message on 18.04 after regular updates complete.)
[11:28] <MacroMan> Can `dpkg` output the same results as `apt list --upgradable` as I need to use it in a bash script
[11:28] <fling> Which tree is for 5.4 kernel now?
[11:29] <MacroMan> I just want to check if there are any package upgrade pending
[11:35] <fling> Is eoan using 5.4 now?
[11:37] <tomreyn> !eoan | fling
[11:38] <tomreyn> MacroMan: dpkg does not know whats available via apt, so no.
[11:38] <andi_> tatertots: well i'm trying so far and the net ads command tells me that i joined the domain
[11:38] <fling> tomreyn: which version has 5.4 kernel now? :P
[11:40] <tomreyn> fling: are you asking which ubuntu release provides a 5.4 kernel?
[11:40] <fling> focal?
[11:40] <fling> tomreyn: yes
[11:40] <fling> I'm looking to extract shiftfs patches again
[11:40] <fling> because the ones I got a while ago are producing a warning with 5.4.52
[11:41] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com lets you view package versions on multiple ubuntu releases.
[11:41] <tomreyn> so does the rmadison utility from devscripts
[11:41] <bigggs> hi everyone, my size for / is only like 100gb but the drive is 250gb.. how do i extend it? i just installed a few hours ago and noticed it didn't use the whole drive
[11:41] <bigggs> its an lvm
[11:42] <oerheks> we have a great wiki
[11:42] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[11:42] <fling> bigggs: lvresize
[11:42] <tomreyn> bigggs: does    sudo vgs   state that the more than those 100GB is available in the volume group?
[11:44] <bigggs> ah i got it lvextend and resize2fs did the trick
[11:44] <bigggs> thanks for that wiki
[11:44] <tomreyn> you can also do it in a single step with lvextend -r
[11:46] <bigggs> oh
[11:49] <fling> tomreyn: focal is at 5.4.44
[11:51] <fling> tomreyn: which package name do I enter on the site? ^
[11:54] <tomreyn> fling: i don't know, i'm not monitoring your web browser.
[11:57] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-5.4%20generic
[11:58] <fling> thanks
[12:00] <fling> vmlinuz-5.4.0-40 is 5.4.40 ?
[12:01] <herol3oy_> hi. how to find a specific phrase inside a dir contain full of text files?
[12:01] <fling> herol3oy_: grep -R 'a specific phrase' /dir/contain/full/of/text/files
[12:02] <herol3oy_> fling, 👍
[12:03]  * fling needs better fonts
[12:13] <malwar3hun73r> i'm running into a DNS issue with systemd-resolve and openvpn - my openvpn config pushes the right DNS config and "systemd-resolve --status" shows it set correctly... for 5 seconds
[12:13] <malwar3hun73r> and then it gets changed to an incorrect server
[12:18] <BluesKaj> malwar3hun73r, is this a home netowork ?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> network
[12:24] <BluesKaj> malwar3hun73r, if so, edit /etc/systemd/resolved.conf, DNS and Fallback DNS there.  Still, the best method is editing the DNS enties in your router though.
[12:34] <braindead_> if my application is running with php 7.3.20 as fpm application is this still the php7.0-fpm service?
[12:35] <braindead_> so, if # sudo systemctl status php7.0-fpm.service is active, it should work right? there is no, lets say php7.3.2-fpm.service
[12:44] <tomreyn> braindead_: if your application is running with php 7.3.20 then it doesn't do so on a supported ubuntu version, or using ubuntu supported php packages
[12:51] <braindead_> i dont understand what you saying there tomreyn
[12:52] <tomreyn> braindead_: this channe is about ubuntu. are you running ubuntu? which ubuntu release does your question refer to?
[12:53] <braindead_> yes i am using ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS
[12:54] <tomreyn> ubuntu 16.04.6 supports PHP version 7.0.33 (but not 7.3.20)
[12:55] <tomreyn> so you must be running some php distribution, which is not supported here.
[12:55] <braindead_> thats not so nice. can you provide me a source for that tomreyn
[12:56] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/php/+packages
[12:56] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=xenial-updates&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=php7
[12:57] <oerheks> probably this ppa > https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php?field.series_filter=xenial
[12:57] <bipin> hy
[12:58] <bipin> I have been using Lubuntu for a while now , I could earlier connect to wifi networks/hotspots , but now I dont see any wifi networks on the list
[13:00] <bipin> could you help?
[13:00] <tomreyn> which lubuntu release? run this in a terminal to find out:   lsb_release -ds
[13:00] <bipin> any response from anyone ?
[13:00] <tomreyn> !patience | bipin
[13:01] <braindead_> dont quite understand that sites you linked me. that pages dont show 7.3.20 at all. so no ubuntu version is supporting that? hard to belive
[13:01] <bipin> ubuntu 20.04
[13:01] <bipin> lts
[13:01] <braindead_> plus, i was running php7.2 before without issues. not quite convinced here
[13:01] <tomreyn> bipin: do you know the wireless chipset?   lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:02] <bipin> https://termbin.com/ykam
[13:02] <tomreyn> braindead_: as a matter of fact this channel only supports the php versions which come with ubuntu releases. you are using some third party provided packages, and so are on your own. maybe you can get support from the same party which provides the packages you use.
[13:03] <bipin> tomreyn the output shows : https://termbin.com/5bn0
[13:04] <tomreyn> braindead_: "apt policy" lists the apt repositories configured on your system. oerheks and i assume you are using third party packages by ondrej surey (who, i think, also provides commercial support for those).
[13:05] <tomreyn> bipin: your wireless chipset is RTL8723DE, PCI ID 10ec:d723
[13:05] <bipin> ok
[13:07] <tomreyn> bipin: whats the output of    nmcli d | grep wifi
[13:08] <bipin> wlo1    wifi      unmanaged    --
[13:08] <tomreyn> bipin: which software do you use to manage your wireless?
[13:09] <bipin> I dont really know , I just have nm-tray on the panel
[13:10] <tomreyn> bipin: does  iwlist wlo1 scanning   return a long list of access points, or an error message? if an error message, which one?
[13:10] <bipin> wlo1      No scan results
[13:14] <tomreyn> bipin: close all applications accessing / showing details about / managing the wireless device (you can keep the nm tray icon), then open two terminal windows and position them so that you can watch both at the same time. in the first one, run "journalctl -f" and keep it running. in the second, run    sudo rmmod rtl8723de; sudo modprobe -v rtl8723de    then press ctrl-c in the first, and copy and paste its output to https://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:14] <braindead_> tomreyn, i understand
[13:15] <herol3oy_> hi. how can i generate a lot of random nonsense text into a text file?
[13:18] <tomreyn> herol3oy_: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M count=1 | base64 -w0 > /tmp/randomtext.txt
[13:18] <oerheks> herol3oy_, buy a cat, or " base64 /dev/urandom | head -c 10000000 > file.txt "  gives 10 mb human readable stuff
[13:18] <bipin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MCKPNCnSTc/ done
[13:19] <oerheks> many ways to the solution
[13:20] <tomreyn> bipin: okay, but i think it didn'T work as planned. what was the output on the second window?
[13:20] <tomreyn> use the pastebin again
[13:21] <bipin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2GYmqyr2rW/ done
[13:22] <tomreyn> bipin: strange, the wireless driver wasn't loaded. do you see acceess points listed now?
[13:22] <tomreyn> i.e.: does  iwlist wlo1 scanning   return a long list of access points, or an error message? if an error message, which one?
[13:23] <herol3oy_> tomreyn, beautiful👍
[13:23] <bipin> i see this now : iwlist wlo1
[13:23] <bipin> iwlist: unknown command `wlo1' (check 'iwlist --help').
[13:23] <herol3oy_> oerheks, tnx
[13:23] <tomreyn> bipin: you missed "scanning"
[13:23] <bipin> wlo1      No scan results
[13:23] <bipin>  , ( i get same message)
[13:24] <tomreyn> bipin: hmm, okay. is rebooting an option for you currently?
[13:24] <bipin> yes , I can
[13:24] <bipin> reboot
[13:25] <tomreyn> bipin: okay, so reboot, then when youR'e back, run    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999    and post the url returned by this command here
[13:25] <bipin> ok
[13:36] <codedmart> Does ubuntu 18.04 kill cron jobs that run longer then a specified time? I see the cronjob show that it starts from syslog every 3 hours like I set, but it never finishes.
[13:36] <codedmart> The script takes 15 - 20 mins or so usually.
[13:37] <codedmart> I can run the script fine manually. Not sure of the best way to debug.
[13:37] <bipin> tomreyn here?
[13:37] <tomreyn> bipin: yup
[13:37] <tomreyn> codedmart: i don't think cron jobs would ever be killed by crond
[13:38] <bipin> https://termbin.com/8r5h is output to journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:38] <bipin>  after rebooting
[13:38] <codedmart> Hmm... we had a 16.04 machine that never had this problem. We upgraded to 18.04 and now the cron job never finishes.
[13:39] <tomreyn> codedmart: you can add    set -x and set -e    on top of the cron job https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29141436/set-e-and-set-x-in-shell-script/52961676
[13:41] <tomreyn> bipin: okay, i'll take a look, this will take some 5-10 minutes. in the meantime, tell me whether this is was fresh 20.04 ubuntu installation or whether you upgraded from an earlier ubuntu relase.
[13:42] <bipin> I installed ubuntu 20.04 a month ago , then i installed xfce xubuntu and lxqt lubuntu desktops , then i deleted xfce and gnome
[13:42] <tomreyn> bipin: so it was a fresh 20.04 install, not an upgrade, right?
[13:42] <bipin> yes a fresh install
[13:43] <tomreyn> bipin: is the system fully up to date?
[13:44] <tomreyn> bipin: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:44] <bipin> yes , I have run these commands already today
[13:44] <bipin> but, i havent done full-upgrade
[13:44] <bipin> only upgrade
[13:45] <tomreyn> please do full-upgrade
[13:45] <bipin> ok
[13:45] <tomreyn> if any updates are installed, please report which ones.
[13:45] <bipin> ok
[13:46] <bipin> I have run both commands , no new updates are installed
[13:49] <tomreyn> bipin: ok. this is mostly unrelated, but a something you should consider: you're currently on bios version F.24, produced 09/25/2017. the current bios version is F.65: https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-15q-bu000-laptop-pc/15551416/swItemId/ob-247137-1
[13:49] <tomreyn> bipin: i assume the list of access points is still unavailable?
[13:51] <bipin> yes same results , no access points
[13:51] <bipin> I should be downloading F.65 bios from the link which you sent?
[13:51] <tomreyn> bipin: did you manually install the wireless driver, or did you use the one that was already there?
[13:52] <tomreyn> bipin: the bios upgrade is probably unrelated, but i think it may be a good idea to install it since yours is a really early and outdated one.
[13:53] <bipin> initialy when the wifi worked , I didnt install any drivers , when wifi didnt work , i tried looking at few turtorials to download drivers , and I tried 2 of them but they didnt work
[13:54] <tomreyn> bipin: unfortunately i don't know what exactly is the error with the wireless chipset, yet, because the logs i asked you to post are incomplete and miss the relevant part about the wireless driver loading.
[13:54] <bipin> also I dont see wlan0 in ifconfig
[13:55] <tomreyn> that's not your fault, just bad luck. maybe we can post them again: journalctl -b > /tmp/logs; nc termbin.com 9999 <</tmp/logs
[13:56] <tomreyn> bipin: your wireless device is called wlo1, not wlan0
[13:56] <tomreyn> at least it was before rebooting
[13:57] <bipin> yes , I dont see wlo1 in ifconfig
[13:57] <bipin> but I do see wlo1 in iwconfig
[13:58] <tomreyn> ifconfig is deprecated, and for wired interfaces
[13:58] <bipin>  journalctl -b > /tmp/logs; nc termbin.com 9999 <</tmp/logs , I should run this?
[13:58] <tomreyn> yes, please
[13:59] <tomreyn> use ip, nm-cli instead of ifconfig
[13:59] <bipin> ok , journalctl -b > /tmp/logs; nc termbin.com 9999 <</tmp/logs ;shows a input panel with >
[14:01] <bipin> nmcli shows wlo1: unmanaged
[14:01] <bipin>         "Realtek RTL8723DE"
[14:01] <bipin>         wifi (rtl8723de), 40:9F:38:EC:B9:FD, plugin missing, hw, mtu 1500
[14:01] <pavlos> bipin: you need 3 <<<
[14:02] <pavlos> nc termbin.com 9999 <<</tmp/logs
[14:03] <bipin> ok output : https://termbin.com/tndh
[14:04] <tomreyn> try this:   cat /tmp/logs | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:05] <bipin> https://termbin.com/056i
[14:05] <tomreyn> "plugin missing" from the message you quoted above means that your network manager somehow lost the ability to handle wireless interfaces.
[14:07] <tomreyn> thanks for posting. i should have probably have asked for the latest x lines instead.
[14:09] <tomreyn> i suggest you reinstall network-manager: sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager
[14:09] <bipin> ok
[14:09] <tomreyn> but it's hard to debug this without actual error messages and without knowing what you did exactly (which how-tos you followed) after something stopped working
[14:10] <tomreyn> support for this wireless chipset is quite new in ubuntu, see (solved) bug 1780590 for example
[14:11] <tomreyn> i need to take a it of a break now, maybe someone else can take over.
[14:11] <bipin> damn , Wifi is working now
[14:11] <tomreyn> *bit
[14:11] <bipin> Thank you so much for helping me
[14:11] <tomreyn> ok, you're welcome
[14:12] <bipin> very much Thankful to you , Good luck to you , and keep Helping people
[14:12] <tomreyn> :)
[14:14] <Tman41291> I am having trouble getting my line out speakers to play. Headphones work fine. Any suggestions on what i may be doing wrong?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Tman41291, depending on your audio hardware you may have speaker volume ctrls in alsamixer that need to be increased, or pavucontrol as well
[14:28] <nbusrone> Anyone know how does power saving work on 18.04 ?
[14:29] <Tman41291> I think i figured out the issue. It is only noticing my headphone line from my front ports. In windows the audio driver software mutes the other when it isnt selected as the default output. Unfortuntely i think im going to have to unplug the headphones everytime i want to use my speakers
[14:30] <nbusrone> Power saving reset brightness when active , I set the time , when power saving active , it reset the brightness and slowly dim the screen and turn off the monitor.At the moment it active , it reset the birghtness of nivida setting.
[14:31] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[14:31] <OnkelTem> I have provlems with NM and OpenVPN
[14:31] <OnkelTem> Does anybody know how this beast works?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> OnkelTem, does your VPN provider have an gui/app available ?
[14:34] <OnkelTem> BluesKaj: nope. This is a company I work on. And they seem to have no idea how to connect Linuxes. Except of openvpn -c config.ovpn
[14:35] <OnkelTem> I tell them I have NM here and asked them to provide some sensible instructions but they cannot
[14:35] <OnkelTem> Frankly it's not a rocket science and I could of course configure it myself...
[14:36] <OnkelTem> But I wonder why they have to provide they bloody routes right into that .ovpn files. Can't they do this at the server? A rhethorical question maybe
[14:36] <OnkelTem> But what I don't get - is how NM manages routes and DNS
[14:37] <OnkelTem> Where exactly should I put those routes which I see in my .ovpn file as: route <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:37] <OnkelTem> route <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:37] <OnkelTem> etc
[14:38] <OnkelTem> Because I see two palces where where I can add them: https://i.gyazo.com/f281a42c7b6ac6c2017d7d3c7bb89322.png and the one which opens by the Routes... button
[14:38] <BluesKaj> OnkelTem, you need to add the .ovpn file(s) to /etc/opevpn for starters then any .crt and .pem and a login.txt file containing your username and pw, files as well
[14:38] <OnkelTem> count this is done
[14:38] <OnkelTem> then?
[14:40] <tomreyn> you want them on the ipv4 tab, Routes... GUI
[14:40] <tomreyn> you can also import .ovpn files to NM (at least partially)
[14:42] <tomreyn> i mean openvpn.conf files
[14:42] <tomreyn> but that's probably what you havethere
[14:44] <BluesKaj> OnkelTem, install network-manager-openvpn
[14:45] <BluesKaj> OnkelTem, then sudo service network-manager restart
[14:50] <OnkelTem> tomreyn: yes, I've already imported the .ovpn file throught the NM UI. And it hasn't imported routes and DNS at all
[14:50] <OnkelTem> BluesKaj: let me try that approach
[15:14] <dtomato> Hello peeps! I've done a minimal install, and been adding things I've needed as time went on... I have on thing that I can't seem to find: when I use the compose-key for accented characters and such, I get some underlined odd symbol  instead of some form of underlined blank (and then accent char). Does anybody know what the proper font package I
[15:14] <dtomato> need to install to resolve this?
[15:18] <lamiastella> hey even though I have installed wx I still keep getting error could you please have a look at this log? https://pastebin.com/raw/LnS402nD
[15:21] <lamiastella> (base) mona@mona:~$ conda install wxpython //worked
[15:22] <oerheks> fix this first; 150 not upgraded.
[15:22] <oerheks> sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade # reboot
[15:29] <lamiastella> uhow can I install tensorflow 1.14 on Ubuntu 20.04?
[15:34] <dtomato> lamiastella: how was it installed?
[15:35] <oerheks> why that specific version?
[15:35] <oerheks> a year old ..
[15:38] <lamiastella> dtomato: it is not installed I am asking how can I find it and install the tensorflow 1.14 package
[15:38] <lamiastella> oerheks: because that's the latest version of tensorflow that deeplabcut supports https://github.com/DeepLabCut/DeepLabCut/blob/master/docs/installation.md
[15:46] <lamiastella> >>> import tensorflow as tf Segmentation fault (core dumped)  for https://pastebin.com/raw/BuDBwA3F not sure why
[15:51] <dtomato> lamiastella: if you are getting a segfault, something is probably installed
[15:52] <vivid> how do i go about setting up an x86 virtual machine of 20.04?  i need to build some things locally and i need both x86_64 and x86 packages
[15:53] <lamiastella> dtomato: I installed myself but doesn't work
[15:53] <lamiastella> could you please have a look at this error here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1260607/import-tensorflow-as-tf-segmentation-fault-core-dumped-in-ubuntu-20-04
[15:55] <quadrathoch2> vivid I guess you would need to compile the packages yourself :/
[15:55] <vivid> right but i need an x86 system to do this with
[15:55] <vivid> and i cant seem to find an x86 installer
[15:55] <quadrathoch2> well x86 installer is not available (or even upgradable from 18.04)
[15:56] <quadrathoch2> vivid wouldn't it be possible to run that certain application in a chroot?
[15:57] <quadrathoch2> or container or sth
[15:57] <vivid> ok so what is the path of action to do this now, because i see there are x86 packages available there must be some way outside of launchpad
[15:57] <vivid> i cant upload these headers for legal reasons
[15:58] <quadrathoch2> probably the easiest and official way, is to just containerize the application in docker,lxc,chroot,vm
[15:58] <oerheks> there is no i386 iso, latest one is 18.04
[15:59] <oerheks> so, your users likely do not run 20.04
[16:04] <OnkelTem> Ok, it's now more than clear to me that Network Manger is not an appripriate solution for OpenVPN. And the only solution is: DON'T USE IT
[16:05] <OnkelTem> So glitchy, so unpredictable. Not a surprise you cannot even google for it effectively
[16:06] <OnkelTem> because people just opt to: openvpn /path/to/my/jar/of/ovpnfiles/myprovider.ovpn
[16:06] <OnkelTem> and don't bother with NM
[16:07] <BluesKaj> OnkelTem, did you disable NM?
[16:08] <OnkelTem> BluesKaj: no of course. It's very good for the rest :) For Wifi, wired, maybe others... But not for openVPN
[16:08] <OnkelTem> because most of time you just receive an .ovpn file from a provider and there's basically no way to use it with NM. Which it its turn cannot even import it
[16:09] <nbusrone> What is  org.gnome.desktop.session idle-delay ?  idle delay timeout gnome ? how does it trigger the power ?
[16:10] <cthulchu_> gnome is super stable on my old laptop. My wife, however, had to switch to KDE cuz gnome, apparently, poorly handled 4k resolution on her laptop
[16:14] <OnkelTem> hm... cthulchu_ that's odd, doesn't gnome support scaling?
[16:15] <lamiastella> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1260618/no-such-file-or-directory-home-mona-anaconda3-lib-python3-7-site-packages-goo
[16:18] <nbusrone> anyone know where ubuntu run on power management file is ?
[16:19] <oerheks> lamiastella, interesting, 20.04 gives python 3.8.2  ..
[16:19] <oerheks> 1info python3 focal
[16:19] <oerheks> !info python3 focal
[16:20] <oerheks> you did not fix 150 not upgraded.
[16:20] <lamiastella> oerheks: I want to use Anaconda Python
[16:22] <oerheks> i guess such setup outside our repos is not supported.
[16:22] <oerheks> good luck
[16:23] <oerheks> ignoring 150 updates will not help you..
[16:23] <nbusrone> under /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-power what does it check before going to time out ?
[16:47] <bewees> what packages do I need to run a gui app?
[16:52] <bewees> i think i just need xorg
[17:06] <SrPx> I'd like to make my desktop available to ssh access over the internet. What is the best way to always be able to connect to it? Is there an easy solution?
[17:21] <hggdh> SrPx: yes, enable X11 forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restart the SSH service (if needed) and the connect with 'ssh -X'
[17:31] <tomreyn> While it may be the easiest approach, X forwarding doesn't work with all applications nowadays. Firefox (and probably also Chromium) are said to cause problems. SSH tunneled VNC or x2go may be a better option.
[17:46] <tarzeau> tomreyn: they work for me with remote x
[17:52] <SrPx> Okay, the SSH is open on port 12222 and I can access it on <IP_ADDRESS>, I've forwarded the ports correctly on the arris router, but I still can't access it from its external IP from another network, it just says connection refused. I think my ISP blocks inbound connections, perhaps. If that is the case, is there any workaround? For example, an app that does the routing through some other server...
[17:52] <tomreyn> tarzeau: oh? i didn't actually try, just read about it
[17:59] <juniorrubyist> TIL that Ubuntu 20.10 is coming out later this year. Didn't we just get 20.04?
[18:01] <tarzeau> juniorrubyist: which is already horribly outdated :)
[18:01] <tarzeau> tomreyn: i'm using it as my work vpn is horribly slow/unreliable
[18:02] <EriC^^> juniorrubyist: 20.04 is 2020 april, 20.10 is 2020 october
[18:03] <EriC^^> they always come out in this pattern, with the lts release every 2 years, so 22.04 will be a lts
[18:03] <tarzeau> http://bootes.ethz.ch/bts/ see the remaining days in a nice overview
[18:08] <pavlos> SrPx: check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config, do you have GatewayPorts yes
[18:09] <juniorrubyist> ahh. seems pretty fast
[18:09] <SrPx> pavlos: no, it is commented with "no" as default
[18:09] <looting101> ubuntu 20.04 is really nice. grats.
[18:10] <SrPx> pavlos: on the host you mean, right?
[18:10] <pavlos> SrPx: yes, I think you need to uncomment and make it yes, then try the ssh from the outside again
[18:12] <SrPx> still no connection
[18:16] <pavlos> SrPx: from the outside, you ssh public-ip port 1212, your router has rule fwd port 1212 to <IP_ADDRESS> 1212 and then .24 is listening to port 1212 (netstat -plant | grep 1212)
[18:17] <pavlos> SrPx: I used 1212, easier to type :)
[18:19] <SrPx> pavlos: not sure if this was a question, but what you said looks right. I'm accessing it via `ssh my_ip -p 12222` from my macbook connected on a different network. The .24 machine has a ssh service listening on port 12222, as confirmed by the command you sent me.
[18:23] <pavlos> SrPx: just describing your setup, my_ip is the WAN ip of the router, right?
[18:24] <SrPx> pavlos: yes, it is the "IP Address" listed on the "WAN Setup" page of the router: https://imgur.com/a/aIK5CEM
[18:33] <pavlos> SrPx: do you have another system .25 on the same subnet as the .24? can you test ssh from there? that is, from the .25 system ssh to .24 (within the same network, it should work)
[18:36] <pavlos> SrPx: also, AllowTcpForwarding should be yes in your sshd_config
[18:37] <SrPx> pavlos: it is
[18:37] <SrPx> trying to locate if there is a .25 machine but I don't think so
[18:37] <SrPx> why?
[18:38] <pavlos> SrPx: the .25 is an example, any machine in the 192.168.0.* will do (they are on the same network as the .24)
[18:45] <SrPx> pavlos: ah I see lol. Sorry.
[18:45] <SrPx> I can connect to the machine with `ssh <IP_ADDRESS> -p 12222` from any other local machine. But not using the external IP, either on the same network or another network.
[18:49] <pavlos> SrPx: see private window
[19:22] <yates> is there a way to have a system boot and install an ubuntu .iso on the system's hard drive?
[19:23] <yates> someone mentioned using grub
[19:23] <yates> the system has f33 installed so grub is available
[19:23] <yates> sorry, f32
[19:24] <EriC^^> yates: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[19:47] <nbusrone> Anyone know what is power saving mode ? how do i edit it to disable the check for color profile ?
[19:49] <lamiastella> how can I convert a wmv to mp4 with no loss using command line?
[20:38] <SrPx> I'm following this guide about GPU passthrough: https://mathiashueber.com/pci-passthrough-ubuntu-2004-virtual-machine/
[20:38] <SrPx> Oh; was about to ask a question about one line but it was an incorrect character. My bad
[20:39]  * SrPx is tired perhaps
[20:46] <maxzor> Hello. I have an old issue when trying to log my laptop back in. Computer is frozen, can only (REI)SUB, like two thirds of the time. Most often when I close the lid and os goes sleeping. I dual boot windows10 and never have such issue on it. Any clue?
[20:46] <maxzor> Did not remember having the issue with 16.04, had it from then in 18.04 and 20.04
[20:55] <Abdullah> I have some old packages which I need to keep as older versions. but now when I try to install another package, I get weird errors.
[20:55] <Abdullah> apache2 : PreDepends: dpkg (>= 1.17.14) but 1.17.5ubuntu5.8 is to be installed
[21:01] <Bashing-om> !info dpkg xenial | Abdullah
[21:01] <Bashing-om> Abdullah: ^^ What release are you running ?
[21:24] <peter22222>  hi folks, after upgrading from from 18.04 to 20.04, i get on startup a message "initramfs unpacking failed: Decoding failed". I have an encrypted harddrive. The issue is only the message... it is shown, but the pc boots like normal. i researched a bit and found that ubuntu20.04 base compressed the kernel in another wa
[21:24] <peter22222> way
[21:24] <peter22222> I found that: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LZ4-Initramfs-Ubuntu-Go-Ahead
[21:24] <peter22222> and i found that solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/honux6/initramfs_unpacking_failed_decoding_failed_fix/
[21:25] <peter22222> since i only found this source i d like to kindly ask you if you think this is the right way
[21:27] <quadrathoch2> peter22222 did you try to rebuild your initramfs?
[21:28] <peter22222> quadrathoch2 nein, noch nicht.. wie mache ich das?
[21:28] <peter22222> update-initramfs -u   ?
[21:28] <quadrathoch2> yeah try that or update-initramfs -ck all
[21:29] <peter22222> i suppose with sudo or as root user?
[21:30] <tomreyn> the easiest way to handle the message is to ignore it
[21:30] <quadrathoch2> sudo peter22222
[21:30] <texla> Ubuntu 20 lts What numbers do I use to enlarge the grub menu I have tried 600x800 and 1024x768 with no success I have the blue and white menu now want to enlarge like 18.04
[21:32] <tomreyn> texla: blue and white? sounds like debian.
[21:32] <peter22222> quadrathoch2 trying that and rebooting now
[21:32] <thyriaen> Hi, i am running 20.04 default kernel, fresh install and when i try to shutdown my laptop i get the following error and it never fully turns off the pc: https://imgur.com/a/B36FUzd any idea ?
[21:33] <tarzeau> thyriaen: who mountes /oldroot ? some other software with chroot ?
[21:33] <texla> tomreyn, yes it is debian
[21:33] <thyriaen> tarzeau, i don't know where oldroot comes from to be honest, i have no directory at /oldroot
[21:33] <tarzeau> thyriaen: if you umount all in /oldroot that mount |grep oldroot shows you before the shutdown, it should work
[21:34] <tomreyn> texla: you just said it was "ubuntu 20", though.
[21:34] <sarnold> thyriaen: I believe the /oldroot stuff predates shutdown
[21:34] <peter22222> quadrathoch2 It worked! Thank you very very much for your help! :-)
[21:34] <TheWild> hello
[21:34] <tarzeau> thyriaen: so ls -la /oldroot shows ls: cannot access '/oldroot': No such file or directory ?
[21:34] <quadrathoch2> peter22222 great :)
[21:34] <TheWild> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS. I created a wifi hotspot connection but I don't see a way to enable it.
[21:34] <peter22222> you guys here are awesome! :-)
[21:34] <thyriaen> yes "ls: cannot access '/oldroot': No such file or directory"
[21:35] <tarzeau> and sd-ummou[ looks like some retarded software is cutting the t away?
[21:35] <tomreyn> texla: anyways: wrong support channel, once again
[21:35] <texla> tomreyn, Yes a fresh install of ubuntu 20.04
[21:35] <thyriaen> tarzeau, what do you mean ? :p
[21:35] <tarzeau> thyriaen: i can successfully poweroff all my machines with poweroff
[21:36] <Bashing-om> texla: From a grub prompt  - if MBR: vbeinfo - else EFI: videoinfo to know the supported grub resolutions.
[21:36] <thyriaen> tarzeau, poweroff ?
[21:37] <tarzeau> thyriaen: the command, instead of shutdown, yes
[21:37] <thyriaen> tarzeau, when i click on the shutdown button in the gui, does that trigger "shutdown -h now" ?
[21:37] <thyriaen> what is the difference to poweroff ?
[21:37] <tarzeau> what gui? i use amiwm or wmaker/gnustep, and i don't have such a button
[21:38] <texla> Bashing-om, have not tried mbr or efi but vbeinfo at ask ubuntu gve me the two I have tried
[21:38] <tarzeau> /usr/sbin/poweroff just works?
[21:38] <thyriaen> tarzeau, gnome
[21:38] <tarzeau> now systemd broke everything both are just symlinks to /bin/systemctl
[21:38] <thyriaen> tarzeau, ill give it a try, brb
[21:38] <tarzeau> you'd have to check the source code what it tries to do when it's called one or the other
[21:39] <Bashing-om> texla: All machines are different - what says your grub prompt for the type of system you have ?
[21:40] <thyriaen> Still get the same error message on shutdown, and get stuck there: https://imgur.com/a/B36FUzd
[21:40] <thyriaen> even with poweroff command
[21:40] <tomreyn> TheWild: settings -> wifi -> hamburger menu -> Turn On WiFi Hostspot...
[21:40] <texla> Bashing-om, I am running gnome xorg on this distro
[21:42] <TheWild> tomreyn: well, it's i3 so I don't have this feats
[21:43] <tarzeau> thyriaen: what says mount |grep dev/ ?
[21:43] <tomreyn> TheWild: nm-connection-editor should work, though, if you have gnome libs
[21:43] <tarzeau> thyriaen: do you have sd cards, usb storage devices that are removable?
[21:44] <thyriaen> tarzeau, https://hastebin.com/vubomufonu.bash
[21:44] <TheWild> tomreyn: yeah, I added the connection via nm-connection-editor and that's it, nothing really seems to happen
[21:44] <thyriaen> tarzeau, not currently connected, no
[21:45] <tarzeau> thyriaen: really strange, i can't help sorry :( i have a special trick to reboot (when reboot fails)
[21:45] <thyriaen> tarzeau, thanks for trying tho
[21:46] <tomreyn> TheWild: nm-cli to bring it up, i guess. i never tried it this way
[21:46] <Bashing-om> texla: ok -in small steps here. Literally running "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS" will tell you if you're booted via UEFI.
[21:47] <tomreyn> TheWild: if the connection profile you created is called 'ap1', then, to bring it up, use    nmcli connection up ap1
[21:47] <tomreyn> (i just tried, works on 18.04.4 for me)
[21:48] <TheWild> okay, let's try
[21:48] <TheWild> Connection successfully activated (D-Bus active path: /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/30)
[21:48] <TheWild> let's see if other computer sees it
[21:49] <texla> Bashing-om, Not booted uefi booted legacy
[21:50] <TheWild> My computer clearly got IP but the other one can see other router but not network provided by my computer.
[21:50] <TheWild> and Wi-Fi is enabled
[21:50] <TheWild> (wait, maybe I disabled SSID broadcasting by accident)
[21:50] <Bashing-om> texla: Hokay . then next is to boot to the grub mneu - here to talk to grub press the c key -> grub prompt, what now shows ' vbeinfo ' ?
[21:51] <TheWild> correction: the other computer has just big latency
[21:52] <TheWild> haha, works!
[21:52] <TheWild> thank you tomreyn
[21:52] <tomreyn> yw, hope you set a good password
[21:53] <tomreyn> thyriaen: you could    sudo grep -rF 'oldroot' /etc     and see whether it is configured somewhere
[21:54] <thyriaen> tomreyn, no output
[21:55] <tomreyn> thyriaen: try your /home next, but this could take a good while
[21:55] <thyriaen> no, its a fresh install
[21:55] <thyriaen> so it is finished
[21:55] <thyriaen> and i got a lot of stuff
[21:56] <thyriaen> ill post it
[21:57] <tomreyn> i don't think i understand, but will see what you post. i don't see how you could have a directory "/oldroot" on a fresh installation. unless it's really on detachable mesia, such as a usb stick.
[21:57] <tomreyn> *meDia
[21:57] <thyriaen> tomreyn, https://hastebin.com/letoworisu.sql i dont think there is any promising info there
[21:58] <thyriaen> tomreyn, i have no folder oldroot or any usb device attached
[21:59] <tomreyn> then i suspect this screenshot https://i.imgur.com/wZpKQuF.jpg was taken right after you installed, before you first booted in to the installed system
[21:59] <tomreyn> and this error message is no longer present when you reboot now
[22:00] <thyriaen> tomreyn, whenever i reboot, i get the error
[22:00] <tomreyn> thyriaen: and the installation finished without errors?
[22:01] <thyriaen> tomreyn, someone just told me that /oldroot might be part of shutdown-ramfs which is a systemd task
[22:01] <thyriaen> tomreyn, yea
[22:01] <tomreyn> yes, i should have done a web search for it.
[22:02] <zevenar> why is gnome the default de
[22:02] <zevenar> is kind of laggy and bloated
[22:02] <thyriaen> oops, im back
[22:03] <zevenar> and seems adapted to mobile devices
[22:03] <tomreyn> !discuss | zevenar
[22:04] <tomreyn> thyriaen: this error message about failung to unmount /oldroot... seems to be non-harmful, we should focus on the other ones
[22:04] <thyriaen> tomreyn, yea i had an similar train of thought - to figure out first what stops the shutdown process
[22:05] <tomreyn> thyriaen: can you reboot and post a full boot log?    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:06] <tomreyn> i'm wondering whether you're having bios + acpi + pcie problems
[22:06] <thyriaen> tomreyn, what does that command do ?
[22:07] <thyriaen> ah ok
[22:07] <tomreyn> it takes the output produced by  "journalctl -b" and posts it to a paste-like website named termbin.com, and then returns a url to where it's piosted
[22:07] <thyriaen> journalctl is just the log of system d ?
[22:08] <tomreyn> it's systemd-journald, a system logging service, yes
[22:08] <thyriaen> tomreyn,
[22:08] <thyriaen> ok gonna reboot brb
[22:15] <zevenar> how to delete my journctl shit
[22:15] <tomreyn> !language | zevenar
[22:16] <thyriaen> tomreyn, okay, that was strange - maybe i can add some insight into more whats going on
[22:17] <tomreyn> feel free to do so
[22:17] <thyriaen> tomreyn, unforunatly, it shutdown and rebooted just fine this time - and to my surprise - my USB-C to Ethernet adapter works now - lsusb gives me the correct output for my Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0bda:8153 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8153 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
[22:17] <thyriaen> which previously never get reccognized as such
[22:18] <thyriaen> the thing is 10 minutes ago ( when i tried to reboot with you earlier ) i got the problem and usually it does not shutdown every time
[22:18] <tomreyn> chances are that updates got installed
[22:18] <thyriaen> do you still want the output of the "working" reboot ?
[22:18] <Jordan_U> thyriaen: I only saw your last two comments, but with intermittent hardware problems it's often good to check your power supply.
[22:18] <tomreyn> just if you want it reviewed
[22:19] <thyriaen> tomreyn, it doesn't hurt :p
[22:19] <thyriaen> https://termbin.com/tfe5
[22:19] <thyriaen> Jordan_U, i am on a laptop with full battery - no difference if i am connected to the outlet or not
[22:19] <tomreyn> please come back when you run ubuntu
[22:20] <thyriaen> okay
[22:20] <thyriaen> i tried ubuntu yesterday with the same error
[22:21] <thyriaen> tomreyn, but i can put it on again and we can continue debugging
[22:21] <tomreyn> up to you
[22:21] <tomreyn> but please don't mislead about running ubuntu when you're really running something else in the future
[22:22] <thyriaen> tomreyn, but to my understanding i am running an ubuntu-20.04 derivate, no ?
[22:23] <tomreyn> i think so, but this channel is about ubuntu support, not ubuntu derivative support
[22:23] <thyriaen> i am just trying to find any os that doesn't have the issue :p
[22:23] <thyriaen> tomreyn, okay will keep that in mind
[22:23] <thyriaen> ill come back when i have ubuntu fresh setup
[23:41] <lewie67[p]> anyone experienced issues with a client having to run dhclient on boot up after preseeding?
[23:41] <lewie67[p]> I know i can set an rc script to do this, but it seems like something that should just work...
[23:42] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: the question doesn't make a lot of sense - it is missing key info about the system, config, network management tool, and more
[23:42] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: desktop or server? using netplan, systemd-networkd, or NetworkManager?
[23:43] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: fair enough, sorry. I'm using foreman to preseed desktop systems
[23:43] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: and is it for a Wifi or wired Ethernet ?
[23:43] <lewie67[p]> I'm a redhat guy by trade so some of the configuration stuff especially on the network side are a bit foreign to me
[23:43] <lewie67[p]> right now i'm just proof of concepting with a KVM/libvert VM
[23:43] <lewie67[p]> so it's wired
[23:44] <zevenar> ubuntu is the newusers best distro
[23:44] <lewie67[p]> do you want to see what I have in my preseed file re: networking?
[23:44] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: so wired ethernet and a GUI desktop system?
[23:44] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: correct
[23:45] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: right; known annoying issue! NetworkManager is the tool and the config it is shipped with tells it NOT to manage wired ethernet !
[23:45] <lewie67[p]> I looked at the netplan stuff and the weird thing is that NetworkManager is configured to start but can't seem manage it due to the netplan config
[23:45] <lewie67[p]> so i tried changing the netplan config to NetworkManager...but still no dice
[23:46] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: you should see there's a file "/usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf" that contains "unmanaged-devices=*,except:type:wifi,except:type:gsm,except:type:cdma" - this tells NM NOT to manage ANY (*) devices EXCEPT those listed, and wired aren't listed
[23:47] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: the workaround is to install a null-length file "/etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf" which'll override the distro file
[23:47] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: so "sudo touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf" and then "sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager"
[23:48] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: or, seed that file
[23:48] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: thanks, lemme give that a run
[23:49] <puff> Good evening, I'm on ubuntu 18.04 LTS.  I don't like the way virtual workspaces work on 18.04, is there a way to make them work more like they worked in older versions?
[23:51] <puff> tp[oc
[23:51] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: no luck...same status, enp1s0 shows DOWN
[23:51] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: can you bring it up manually? "sudo ip link set up dev enp1s0" ?
[23:52] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: yup...and if i just run dhclient it comes up too with no issue
[23:53] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: on boot if i check NetworkManager status there is a conspicuous warning, but not sure if it is important, "<warn>  [1595289015.9314] Error: failed to open /run/network/ifstate"
[23:53] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: /run/network/ifstate does not appear to exist...
[23:53] <puff> I used to run xubuntu 16.04 LTS.  The big difference there was that  alt-tab only showed me the apps/windows on the current workspace.  In vanilla ubuntu 18 it shows me all of theapps and windows.
[23:54] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: which version of Ubuntu is that?
[23:54] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: 20.04
[23:54] <TJ-> puff: I think that is a Gnome thing
[23:55] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: got same here; don't see that directory nor that message
[23:55] <lewie67[p]> i'm assuming its got something to do with my preseed, but the settings available seem pretty vanilla...not a lot of opportunity for mucking around
[23:55] <kenwoodfox> Can somebody translate this error for me? trying to mount a cifs share :c https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505468673754923049/734921430835265576/unknown.png
[23:55] <puff> TJ-: So there's no way to make it work like that in Unity? OR is 18 even still using Unity?
[23:56] <lewie67[p]> is there some "hidden" list of options you can give a preseed file?
[23:56] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: actually... I do see the message... it's not a problem - it is checking in case the other (Debian originated) legacy deprecated network management tool ifupdown is operating
[23:57] <TJ-> lewie67[p]: first let's ensure NM now does try to manage enp1s0 -- because I suspect it still isn't doing that
[23:57] <sarnold> puff: iirc 18.04 is using upstream gnome; you could of course try 20.04 or xubuntu or lubuntu or kubuntu or similar if you'd rather not use gnome
[23:57] <kenwoodfox> what does the -22 mean?
[23:57] <kenwoodfox> or where could i find out
[23:57] <lewie67[p]> TJ-: fair enough, i created the touch file and tried restarting NetworkManager and rebooting, but both same result as before


[12:41] <cm-t> hi !
[12:43] <cm-t> am I in the good chan to ask the ubuntu/member/nickname cloak ?
[12:43] <cm-t> https://launchpad.net/~cm-t
[13:56] <Fuchs> cm-t: hi, yes :)
[13:56] <Fuchs> cm-t: just wait for someone from IRCC to wake up and then for someone from staff to show
[14:07] <cm-t> Fuchs: thanks! I will wait :)


[11:30] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:56] <mamarley> So it looks like Plasma 5.19.1 fixes the Powerdevil-icon-not-appearing bug I was having.
[13:02] <mamarley> RikMills: Is there some hold-up as far as getting that in the PPA?
[13:02] <RikMills> mamarley: I'll be doing it later today
[13:03] <mamarley> RikMills: Awesome, thanks!  (I'm not trying to rush or pester you; I was just wondering.)
[13:03] <RikMills> np :)
[14:46] <genii> Just checking if user Michael T. Starnes was removed from Telegram bridge, spammer
[14:47] <BluesKaj> yeah
[15:25] <BluesKaj> we have another spammer, or the same person with different nick,  genii
[15:27] <genii> BluesKaj: Unfortunately, since it's coming through a bridge by IrcsomeBot1, the operator of the bridge needs to do the removal
[15:28] <BluesKaj> I see, ok genii, thanks for the info...btw how's things ?
[15:29] <genii> BluesKaj: Work is busy now since some restrictions are being lifted, which I guess is good
[15:31] <BluesKaj> right, good to hear... not much happening up here covid-wise, I'm thankful for that
[16:16] <RikMills> genii: they are gone
[16:17] <genii> RikMills: Thanks
[18:40] <RikMills> santa_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1884120
[18:40] <RikMills> will upload later once PPA build is done on all archs
[18:50] <RikMills> uploaded to NEW


[20:34] <stgraber> highvoltage: did you see the release meeting (or the log)?
[20:35] <stgraber> highvoltage: Riddell says he'll look at LTS for Kubuntu on Monday, hopefully can be done before the TB meeting


[05:23] <Noskcaj> would someone be kind enough to tell me the hexchat settings to get my cloak working? ~4 years since i last looked at irc or ubuntu things


[07:35] <mzanetti> Saviq, hey
[07:35] <mzanetti> Saviq, have the Authenticator issue now too. I wasn't up to date
[07:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, acl
[07:56] <Saviq> k
[08:31] <Saviq> ltinkl, can you please merge lp:~unity-team/unity8/mousePointer in lp:~lukas-kde/unity8/liveCaption
[08:31] <Saviq> ltinkl, I already resubmitted as https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/liveCaption/+merge/273792
[09:58] <tsdgeos> "any changes that you land into the overlay during the landing gates open
[09:58] <tsdgeos> will have no image to appear on
[09:58] <tsdgeos> "
[09:58] <tsdgeos> why?
[09:59] <tsdgeos> what's the purpose?
[10:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, stop-gap until w+1 opens
[10:07] <tsdgeos> i see
[10:07] <tsdgeos> when's that expected to happen?
[10:07] <tsdgeos> still a few weekd?
[10:07] <tsdgeos> -d+s
[10:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ~a month I'd say, where did you read ↑↑?
[10:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: sil2100 sent it to the list
[10:08] <Saviq> phone list? can't see it there
[10:08] <sil2100> tsdgeos: for OTA-7
[10:08] <Saviq> ah
[10:08] <sil2100> tsdgeos: since we're using the rc-proposed channel for the OTA-7 candidate
[10:09] <tsdgeos> sil2100: but that is against what we were doing and it's because of the wily freeze, right?
[10:09] <sil2100> tsdgeos: no, wily freeze has nothing to do with rc-proposed being frozen for now ;)
[10:10] <sil2100> tsdgeos: we just want to use rc-proposed for spinning OTA-7 candidates, we'll unblock it for daily builds after release
[10:10] <sil2100> Or after we validate a candidate at least
[11:12] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: ping
[11:30] <tsdgeos> did our autotests regress?
[11:34]  * guest42315 EWWWW mailing lists
[11:37] <Saviq> d'oh
[11:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, autopilot?
[11:37] <Saviq> AP is unstable all the time
[11:37] <Saviq> qml should be good
[12:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: and one qml too
[12:49] <tsdgeos> let me run them
[12:49] <tsdgeos> here locally
[13:11] <tsdgeos> Saviq: and one autopilot seemed to be effected by one of ltinkl's changes too
[13:12] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, is it the dbus mock thing?
[13:12] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: seemed like something in the wizard
[13:12] <tsdgeos> let me dig
[13:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, if someone's getting reliable qml test failures, that's a problem, same if the autopilot failures are consistent
[13:12] <tsdgeos> yeah i need to wait for the rerun
[13:12] <Saviq> we should get green on QML and at worst random AP fails
[13:13] <tsdgeos> agreed
[13:14] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-wily-mako/483/testReport/unity8.settings_wizard.tests.test_settings_wizard/SkipThroughSettingsWizardTestCase/test_skipping_through_wizard/
[13:14] <tsdgeos> complains about Object not found with name '*' and properties {'objectName': 'reportingPage', 'visible': 'True'}.
[13:14] <tsdgeos> which is something you touched recently?
[13:16] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, umm ye but that's something different
[13:16] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: ok
[13:18] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, ok later, need to pick up kids from school :)
[14:08] <tsdgeos> mterry: not what the SDK people told me about 1.3
[14:09] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: Saviq: right? didn't they say "1.3 is far away" ?
[14:10]  * mterry tries to find where he saw that
[14:10] <mzanetti> the release, yes, zsombi said like early 2016...
[14:10] <mzanetti> however, he wasn't aware of the the issue that creates
[14:11] <Saviq> yeah 1.3 isn't coming soon
[14:11] <mterry> OK cool
[14:12] <mterry> ltinkl, I remembered that I have Friday AND Monday off, so I actually won't be able to attend the next OOBE standup
[14:12] <ltinkl> mterry, ok
[14:14] <mterry> Saviq, tsdgeos: I feel like we should stop shipping it on the phone then...  App authors will use it despite it not "being released" and we'll break them
[14:14] <mterry> Or at least ship it with a version number like "import Ubuntu.Components 1.3dontusethis"
[14:15] <tsdgeos> mterry:  i do agree
[14:16] <mterry> I'll file a bug against the sdk and see what they say about an alternate versioning in the meantime
[14:16] <Saviq> ack
[14:17] <tsdgeos> dednick: ping
[14:17] <dednick> tsdgeos: alo
[14:17] <tsdgeos> dednick: what do you think of http://paste.ubuntu.com/12715158/ ?
[14:17] <tsdgeos> real leak or test-leak?
[14:18] <dednick> tsdgeos: give me a mo
[14:19] <mterry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1504161
[14:19] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1504161 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Stop shipping an SDK versioned "1.3" on customer phones before we release 1.3" [Undecided,New]
[14:22] <Saviq> confirmed
[14:26] <seb128> I don't think we do change compat for 1.3 things, do we?
[14:26] <seb128> some of core apps use 1.3, it better be stable
[14:27] <tsdgeos> seb128: it's totally not
[14:28] <tsdgeos> our non official 1.3 branch has broken quite a bit because of changes
[14:28] <tsdgeos> argably "dark corner" stuff
[14:28] <tsdgeos> but still
[14:28] <seb128> well, those might be bugs
[14:28] <seb128> the sdk team is pushing for others to use 1.3
[14:29] <seb128> and some core apps do
[14:29] <seb128> so we better sort that story out
[14:29] <tsdgeos> we speak to different SDK people :D
[14:29] <seb128> also there was the issue of having a newer framework to depends on
[14:29] <dednick> tsdgeos: i'm thinking it's a test issue. but have to make sure.
[14:29] <seb128> some at least appdevs can declare that they use the current version and those apps don't get rolled out on old images not having it
[14:30] <seb128> pmcgowan, ^ do you know what's the story with 1.3 is? should be stable enough that appwriters use it? or should we recommend against using it?
[14:32] <mterry> seb128, part of that bug I filed is to get an official answer from sdk team
[14:32] <mterry> seb128, current situation is confusing to me
[14:33] <Saviq> +1
[14:37] <pmcgowan> seb128, in my view and bzoltans devs can use 1.3, the api may expand but it exisitng api should not change, and we have in ota7 a new framework to reference
[14:37] <pmcgowan> mterry, why did you file that bug?
[14:38] <pmcgowan> that is bad data
[14:38] <pmcgowan> its released
[14:38] <mterry> pmcgowan, because I'm hearing different things
[14:38] <pmcgowan> I can believe that
[14:38] <mterry> pmcgowan, and 1.3 was released in OTA6, but it wasn't officially released
[14:38] <pmcgowan> so there is a term "stable" which means different things to different people
[14:38] <mterry> pmcgowan, so that was at least poor planning.  At least OTA7 will have a framework for it
[14:38] <pmcgowan> mterry, true it was not official in 6
[14:39] <pmcgowan> correct
[14:39] <mterry> pmcgowan, so if this bug is considered fixed by OTA7, great.  But it is a valid bug
[14:39] <pmcgowan> ok
[14:39] <pmcgowan> you win :)
[14:39] <mterry> pmcgowan, is the SDK team committed to API stability for 1.3 already?
[14:40] <mterry> (that's another thing I wasn't sure about)
[14:40] <pmcgowan> mterry, acc to bz and me yes
[14:41] <pmcgowan> as I said it may add components and new properties but is not intended to break
[14:41] <pmcgowan> we need to use it now for convergence
[14:42] <mterry> pmcgowan, OK cool.  There is uncertainty on my end partly because 1.3 appeared on devices, but there was never an announcement / blog post about it.  So no clear message about using it
[14:42] <mterry> Or at least, no clear message about API stabliity
[14:42] <pmcgowan> mterry, yes I agree, will have zoltan clarify
[14:43] <pmcgowan> the website got updated last week
[14:46] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos: hi
[14:47] <tsdgeos> bzoltan_: ho
[14:49] <tsdgeos> bzoltan_: anything you wanted to tell me? I need to get going to the airport soon-ish
[14:52] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos:  I would like to clarify few thinsg about the UITK 1.3
[14:52] <bzoltan_> 1. There was no API breakage in the UITK since 0.1 ... not a single
[14:52] <bzoltan_> 2. When we deprecate APIs we do it gentle, slow and well communicated ... never ad-hoc
[14:53] <bzoltan_> 3. whatever is released in 1.3 can be safely used
[14:54] <tsdgeos> bzoltan_: 1. you guys removed useDeprecatedToolbar in MainView in 1.2 for example, that's an API break
[14:54] <bzoltan_> unstable in our terminilogy means that we keep adding components and change visuals as the design evolves, but it does not mean API breakage
[14:54] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos: errr... dude, have you read the _NAME_ of the property? :D it says ... deprecated :D
[14:56] <tsdgeos> bzoltan_: i know
[14:56] <tsdgeos> don't tell me API was never broken
[14:56] <tsdgeos> because it has
[14:56] <tsdgeos> it may have been slowly done
[14:56] <tsdgeos> fine
[14:56] <tsdgeos> and within 1.3 things broke
[14:56] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos: API deprecation is not breakage
[14:56] <tsdgeos> i just don't have the link at hand at the moment to prove it
[14:57] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos: bugs are not API breakage
[14:57] <tsdgeos> but specially around PageHeadConfiguration
[14:57] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos:  we have bugs, yes
[14:57] <tsdgeos> anyhw that's not something i complain
[14:57] <tsdgeos> i have not complained about that :D
[14:58] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos:  we are refactoring lots of things for the desktop apps and for better performance .. bug happen
[14:58] <tsdgeos> i'm complaining about mixed messages about if 1.3 should we used or not
[14:58] <tsdgeos> which seems to be "yes" from some people
[14:58] <tsdgeos> and "no" from some people
[14:58] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos: I am just a but dissapointed about the gossips and terminology confusion
[14:58] <tsdgeos> bzoltan_: i have no idea how tells you i'm gossiping
[14:58] <tsdgeos> but i am not
[14:59] <tsdgeos> so do not lecture me plese
[14:59] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos:  I do not know who are those who say "no" but I assume they do not work on the SDK :)
[14:59] <tsdgeos> bzoltan_: zsombi
[14:59] <tsdgeos> and Saviq can confirm
[14:59] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos:  no offense... I do not mean you
[15:00] <tsdgeos> i have a plane to take, we can talk about this tomorrow if you want
[15:00] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos:  zsombi never said that 1.3 should not be used.
[15:00] <bzoltan_> tsdgeos:  sure, anytime
[15:00] <tsdgeos> bzoltan_: well you were not in the place i was
[15:00] <tsdgeos> and did not hear what i hear
[15:00] <tsdgeos> i may have misunderstood
[15:00] <tsdgeos> but it seemed pretty clear to me
[15:01] <tsdgeos> anyhow, tomorrow more
[15:01]  * tsdgeos waves
[15:01] <Saviq> bzoltan_, we've been asking about when can we switch to 1.3, and use features from it a few weeks back, we've been told it's not to be used yet (as in, it's not gonna be there in any framework in the near time)
[15:01] <bzoltan_> Saviq:  who told you that?
[15:02] <bzoltan_> Saviq: The 1.3 is on all phones since May .. it is available for app developers since then.
[15:03] <Saviq> bzoltan_, no it's not
[15:03] <Saviq> bzoltan_, because there's no framework to depend on
[15:03] <Saviq> bzoltan_, so app developers can't use it without their apps breaking on devices that didn't upgrade
[15:03] <bzoltan_> Saviq:  1.3.1510+15.10.20150519-0ubuntu1
[15:04] <Saviq> bzoltan_, and which framework do you use to ensure that SDK 1.3 is on the device your app is being installed on?
[15:05] <bzoltan_> Saviq: well.. the next fw after 19th of May
[15:05] <Saviq> bzoltan_, which is?
[15:05] <bzoltan_> Saviq: I do not remember that
[15:05] <Saviq> bzoltan_, the only frameworks post May 19th are -dev ones
[15:05] <bzoltan_> Saviq:  there were few fw bumps since
[15:06] <Saviq> wdym few fw bumps?
[15:06] <Saviq> ubuntu-sdk-15.10-dev1
[15:06] <Saviq> ubuntu-sdk-15.10-html-dev1
[15:06] <Saviq> ubuntu-sdk-15.10-papi-dev1
[15:06] <Saviq> ubuntu-sdk-15.10-qml-dev1
[15:06] <bzoltan_> Saviq:  of course ...-dev
[15:06] <Saviq> which means they're not stable as far as I understand
[15:07] <bzoltan_> Saviq: I do understand you and you are right. from that point UITK 1.3 ios not stable .. it will be once we freeze it
[15:08] <bzoltan_> Saviq: But it does not man that it is unsafe to use
[15:08] <bzoltan_> s/man/mean/
[15:08] <Saviq> well, there's miscommunication then
[15:08] <Saviq> is it safe to mix 1.3 and 1.2?
[15:09] <bzoltan_> more like different use of terminology
[15:09] <Saviq> as we can't go for 1.3 until it's stable otherwise because the header changes and we can't look different than core apps etc.
[15:10] <seb128> Saviq, you already do, bug #1503498
[15:10] <ubot5`> bug 1503498 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Using both X-Ubuntu-Splash-Show-Header=true and SDK 1.3 looks bad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503498
[15:10] <Saviq> seb128, right, our bad
[15:11] <Saviq> but also stemming from the fact we thought it was safe to switch
[15:12] <bzoltan_> Saviq:  mixing versions is tricky ... it should work and I know apps that mix versions without problems. But version separation is a new thing in the UITK, so it can bug
[15:12] <seb128> Saviq, well, it's the other way around in that bug, some apps updated to 1.3 and have the new look, and you didn't ... but unsure how that can be resolved, some apps are on 1.2 and some on 1.3, unsure what the shell can do to know what to display
[15:12] <bzoltan_> Saviq:  Why can not we go with 1.3?
[15:13] <Saviq> seb128, right, I think we might be able to get the framework from an app and display one or the other
[15:13] <bzoltan_> Saviq: I would go with 1.3
[15:13] <Saviq> bzoltan_, maybe now we can if you tell us it's fine, but we have to update
[15:14] <Saviq> all the apps we have preinstalled on the phone
[15:14] <Saviq> let's make that a target for OTA8 then
[15:14] <seb128> that would be good
[15:14] <bzoltan_> Saviq: I have an idea how it should go... I am pushing it for 3 years without much luck :) Do you want to hear?
[15:14] <seb128> we have apps still importing 0.1
[15:15] <Saviq> seb128, right, framework doesn't force you to import 1.3...
[15:15] <bzoltan_> Saviq: We should have a QA dashboard with the staging UITK and whatever unity8/browser/setting/etc ... the dash should show the AP results
[15:17] <bzoltan_> Saviq: seb128: the point is that apps should adopt to the latest available UITK and test their apps against the staging UITK ... that way they could foresee any posble regression and flag out
[15:19] <Saviq> sure, we should have autotests running on silos, too
[15:19] <Saviq> we'll have Jenkaas instead, but whatever
[15:20] <bzoltan_> Saviq:  The thing is that for those app developers who do not want to follow what we are doing the 1.0 and 1.2 are the safe land ... but for developers who are hanging on our IRC and read our blogpost and follow our  changes 1.3 is the cheapest way
[15:20] <bzoltan_> seb128: ^
[15:20] <seb128> right
[15:21] <seb128> it's just that porting code to new version is work
[15:21] <Saviq> sure, agreed
[15:21] <seb128> so unless we get that set as an ota goal it's always coming after other work
[15:21] <bzoltan_> Unstable in our terminolgy does not mean that it will crash and eat your dog :D It means that we keep adding new APIs and with a strict process we migh deprecate stuff
[15:21] <seb128> should talk to pmcgowan maybe about having a goal of updating our stuff to 1.3 for ota8
[15:21] <pmcgowan> good point
[15:21]  * pmcgowan makes a note
[15:22] <seb128> pmcgowan, thanks ;-)
[15:22] <bzoltan_> seb128: Saviq: pmcgowan: The deal is that once you are on 1.3 you must watch out for possible but very unlikely changes!
[15:23] <pmcgowan> bzoltan_, sure as long as they don't get in the wild on stable
[15:23] <bzoltan_> But API deprecations are super rare things ...
[15:23] <seb128> well, we should at least update to 1.2
[15:23] <Saviq> bzoltan_, as long as you post a deprecation warning, it's fine
[15:23] <bzoltan_> seb128:  That is for sure... we should have a check for that in the SDK tools
[15:24] <bzoltan_> Saviq: Of course we do ... first we spam the logs, build logs, runtime logs ... then we send out mails, write blog posts...
[15:25] <pmcgowan> bzoltan_, an email to the app-devel list along these lines would be helpful
[15:27] <bzoltan_> pmcgowan: I write one latest tomorrow
[17:56] <mhall119> Saviq: dandrader: how much of the convergence stuff I've been testing out of silo 22 is going to be in OTA 7?
[17:58] <dandrader> mhall119, I don't know. And Saviq is past his EOD
[17:58] <mhall119> ok, I'll try him tomorrow, thanks dandrader
[17:59] <mhall119> dandrader: do you have a Mir bug # for that mouse issue we both encountered?
[18:28] <Saviq> mhall119, none of it
[18:28] <mhall119> Saviq: thanks, I expect I'll be asked about it once the OTA goes out
[18:29] <Saviq> mhall119, it should land within a week in rc-proposed
[18:29] <Saviq> maybe for the better, we'll have time to iron some things out
[18:30] <mhall119> Saviq: since neither commercial device supports it yet anyway, I don't think there's a rush, I just wanted to know what to tell people if they ask
[18:31] <Saviq> kk


[05:39] <n7k> Someone give me a hint on how to find/setup a new boot.img for my nexus so I can put on a kernel with mac80211?
[08:54] <ogra_> huh ? chromium is still building ? .... it took only 5h on my chromebook ...
[08:56] <ogra_> infinity, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-March/010062.html
[09:02] <ogra_> infinity, it would be kind of funny if it wasnt so close to reality ....


[01:06] <phamkhang> hello
[01:07] <phamkhang> dáf
 L0W4
 Of course, it really good for Beginners and experts, both users. (re @coding_aerospace_biotech: My laptop has Intel core or and 4 gb ram I want to get started with Linux is kubuntu the right distro to go please help me cause last time it was gnome and terribly buggy)
 Would it work well will it lag or will it be buggy it is my question (re @AJ_Udayanga: Of course, it really good for Beginners and experts, both users.)
 It works smoothly on my devices. If it's lagging, it could be your computer's issue. I mean to work this one smoothly, you gonna need at least a system with intel i3 3rd gen processor and 4Gig of RAM. (re @coding_aerospace_biotech: Would it work well will it lag or will it be buggy it is my question)
 Thanks
 If you don't have those specifications, please go for much lighter OS, like xbuntu, or zorin lite. (re @coding_aerospace_biotech: Would it work well will it lag or will it be buggy it is my question)
 Ok thanks for helping me
 Okay. Have nice day... (re @coding_aerospace_biotech: Ok thanks for helping me)
 Hi, what is the repo for 21.10 backports?
 Nvm found
 I install many Linux os but wifi drivers cannot install and network very slow .what problem..
[10:07] <user|10> hi
 Do you know what's the wifi card is? Manufacturer and its model? (re @Hari: I install many Linux os but wifi drivers cannot install and network very slow .what problem..)
[12:13] <guiverc> @AJ_Udayanga; refer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide  esp. step 3 & "Device Recognition and Operation" link & you'll have what's need to use search engines to find solutions
[12:14] <guiverc> s/need/needed ^
 It's not working. MT7961. IDK why. (re @IrcsomeBot: <guiverc> @AJ_Udayanga; refer https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide  esp. step 3 & "Device Recognition and Operation" link & you'll have what's need to use search engines to find solutions)
 I upgraded the current kernel to 5.15 and, now wifi is working, however, now my VMs are not working. I use VMware Workstation. When I launch the VMware workstation, it requires kernel header,  and when i try to install headers, it throws an error with message like "this package doesn't have installation candidates"
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 How got this problem with Kubuntu
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/15d28223/file_52284.jpg
 Can anyone please help
 I tried to change in the bios but my screen was just on the same spot
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c4a59daf/file_52285.jpg
 Do we already know which kernel version will be in 22.04?
 5.17?
 I don't know for sure.
 Can someone pls help me with my trouble?
[16:42] <Maik> @ksenchy 5.15 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/01/ubuntu-22-04-release-features
[16:42] <Maik> !patience | @Stoyanovish
 I appreciate that very much! Aye will check that out 🤙🏾 (re @IrcsomeBot: <ubottu> @Stoyanovish: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/)
 Do you think this https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/12/31/58 will be upstreamed to 5.15? Pretty annoying
[16:55] <duuude> is there a sound recorder program included by default in kubuntu?
[16:56] <Maik> duuude: did you search for it in the menu before asking?
[16:56] <duuude> Maik: I don't have kubuntu, I am directing someone else
[16:56] <Maik> create a live usb and have a look
[16:56] <Maik> or a VM
[16:57] <duuude> :/
[16:57] <Maik> easiest way to find things out :)
[16:57] <duuude> Internet is slooow
[16:57] <Maik> sure
[16:57] <duuude> While it is a search in menu for others
[16:59] <Maik> duuude: give me some time while i install gnome boxes, download a iso and create a vm
[16:59] <Maik> duuude: which Kubuntu version are you interested in? 20.04 LTS or 21.10
[17:00] <duuude> 20.04 LTS
[17:01] <duuude> No need to try that hard, dude. I assumed people have kubuntu in #kubuntu
[17:01] <duuude> At worst they would install gnome-sound-recorder
[17:02] <Dragnslcr> Looks like there's kwave
[17:02] <Dragnslcr> I've never used it. I just searched on Google for "kde audio recorder".
[17:02] <Maik> duuude: just trying to help ;)
[17:12] <Maik> duuude: i don't see any sound recorder included by default
[17:28] <duuude> Maik: thanks
[17:28] <duuude> Is there any developer here I could ping?
[17:29] <duuude> Include a sound recorder dude
[17:29] <duuude> <insert ping here>
[17:42] <Maik> not sure they will but you could try
[17:42] <Maik> RikMills: ^^^
[17:43] <Maik> and if not then installing a sound recorder is just a 'apt install' away
[17:43] <Maik> not a big deal imho
[17:44] <duuude> Well, then they shouldn't install the rest of the pre-installed utilities by that logic
[17:44] <duuude> Distros are all about convenience
 Has anyone tried using kernel 5.15 on 21.10 yet?
[19:27] <Maik> @ksenchy there's no 5.15 kernel on 21.10
 I know, I'm asking if anyone installed it manually
[19:28] <Maik> and i never go down that route and stick with what comes default in ubuntu
[19:30] <Maik> not much do it anyway unless they know what they are doing, installing another kernel from outside the repo's is completely at own risk
[19:30] <Maik> just like installing other software from outside the official repos
 I'm fully aware. It's just that I'll need to develop a patch for the kernel and hopefully get it merged to official repo so nobody has to do this anymore
[20:21] <Maik> i'm pretty sure the kernel team will patch all that's necessary.....
[20:24] <Maik> @ksenchy any further Kubuntu support questions? Because that's what this IRC channel and the telegram groups is for in the first place
 Yup, tried it and using for more than 30 days. Seems like fine, but, VMs are not working, since they required additional packages like kernel headers which are i couldn't find in anyware. Other than that, it worked fine for me. (re @ksenchy: Has anyone tried using kernel 5.15 on 21.10 yet?)
 But, some cases, you got to do that. Like mine, my new laptop's wifi card does not work on 5.13😕 (re @IrcsomeBot: <Maik> and i never go down that route and stick with what comes default in ubuntu)
 Thx. Will probably take some time during the weekend to write the quirck for x570s aorus master motherboard. Namely the sound is gone after booting to kubuntu from windows. There is already a quirck for x570 in the kernel, it just doesn't fully fix the problem on x570s
 So I need to go down the path of compiling and installing my own kernel -.-
 😐 (re @ksenchy: Thx. Will probably take some time during the weekend to write the quirck for x570s aorus master motherboard. Namely the sound is gone after booting to kubuntu from windows. There is already a quirck for x570 in the kernel, it just doesn't fully fix the problem on x570s)
 😯 (re @ksenchy: So I need to go down the path of compiling and installing my own kernel -.-)
 Don't we have casual Kubuntu chat? Like some other distros.
[20:57] <Maik> @AJ_Udayanga there should be kubuntu-offtopic on IRC, dunno about the telegram side of things. Hence i hate those telegram and matrix bridges.
[22:56] <jakes> hi folks
[22:56] <jakes> I'm running KDE on ubuntu (kubuntu) & want to render reddit images on the "showerthoughts" widget, but I'm getting an error: QtWebView version 1.15 not installed
[22:57] <derek-shnosh> jakes: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42450333/qt-module-qtwebview-is-not-installed
[22:58] <jakes> thanks @derek-shnosh - I've ran `sudo apt-get install libqt5webview5 qml-module-qtwebview` but no dice
[22:58] <derek-shnosh> Unsure if required... but did you reboot after installing those?
[22:58] <jakes> I think I've also installed QtWebEngine & QtWebKit , but I'm not a Qt dev, so not intimately familiar with dependency req's
[22:59] <jakes> have a few times, yea
[23:01] <jakes> I'd be happy just for a new Plasma Widget that'll run a randomised slideshow of specified subreddits, if Showerthoughts plasmoid is busted & unmaintained
[23:30] <jakes> is there a reddit widget? looks like Showerthoughts2 is dead because qtwebkit is out of favour


[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[14:37] <czajkowski> daker: ping
[14:37] <daker> czajkowski: pong
[14:37] <czajkowski> daker: there used to be a URL so I could see the list of teams and their expiray date on the LTP
[14:37] <czajkowski> am lost it's not in my bookmarks
[14:37] <czajkowski> need it for PabloRubianes SergioMeneses coolbhavi
[14:38] <daker> czajkowski: http://loco.ubuntu.com/loco-council/approved ?
[14:39] <SergioMeneses> http://loco.ubuntu.com/loco-council/approved
[14:39] <czajkowski> daker: should that not be verified now ?
[14:39] <daker> czajkowski: yeah but that will break the url
[14:40] <SergioMeneses> thanks daker
[14:40] <daker> i can do it if you want
[14:41] <SergioMeneses> daker, if you can do it that would be awesome!
[14:41] <daker> ok
[14:41] <czajkowski> thank you


[04:49] <WildFir3> yo, anyone around?
[04:49] <WildFir3> I have a quick Java question.. not sure if it's possible or not
[04:58] <wasabi_> ?


[07:47] <one> You have wife for trade?
[07:48] <one> join ##memefilter
[07:48] <one> Islam crypto-oprah winfreys swingers club
[07:49] <one> arikb: You have wife for trade?
[07:57] <one> ;5C
[08:00] <one> America is a deep delusion.
[08:01] <one> It has to be if none care about what I complain about then none are alive.
[08:01] <one> They may as well be programs incapable of learning.
[08:02] <one> like theres other problems
[08:02] <one> abortion
[08:02] <one> and divorce
[08:03] <one> two things legally protected which eliminate incentive for any being to live
[08:04] <one> so america turns the entire world into either retards or nuclear soldiers
[08:05] <one> no sanctity of life
[08:05] <one> no love in matrimony
[08:05] <one> nothing else is left those two problems make everthing else retard babble
[08:06] <one> Anthony Hopkins
[08:06] <one> plays Doctor Shankall
[08:11] <one> Nuclear Soldier
[08:11] <one> themesong: Take My Breath Away
[08:12] <one> 's all in my head
[08:12] <one> watching every moment
[08:16] <one> drop that tower in dubai
[08:17] <one> warn them not to enter it
[08:17] <one> give them the seal of a sure message
[08:18] <one> show me an updated map of China
[08:20] <one> metata
[08:20] <one> metata
[08:20] <one> bar ha hlym
[08:21] <one> Cherubim no more
[08:21] <one> metata and I
[08:22] <one> just let her cry
[08:22] <one> and if the tears roll down her face...
[09:38] <one> they were mine
[09:39] <one> the tears


[12:02] <McPeter> hi
[12:03] <McPeter> member here can "control" launchpad account ?
[12:04] <tsimpson> McPeter: no
[12:04] <McPeter> :'(
[12:20] <jpds> McPeter: You'll have to wait for a LOSA.
[12:21] <jpds> McPeter: The reason it takes a while is because of.....
[12:21] <jpds> !weekend | McPeter
[12:24] <McPeter> jpds, eu ..
[12:24] <McPeter> it's not for help
[12:24] <McPeter> but yesterday i found 2 account on launchpad
[12:24] <McPeter> and on this 2 accounts contain pedophil link
[12:26] <jpds> Same thing applys, 'tis a $weekend, a lot of people are out resting.
[12:27] <McPeter> yes i understand
[12:27] <elky> launchpad problems should be reported to #launchpad anyway, shouldn't they?
[12:27] <jpds> I'm sure someone will get back to you tomorrow.
[12:27] <McPeter> elky, i report on #launchpad and mail ..
[12:28] <McPeter> but i try here to ..
[12:28] <elky> McPeter, then you've already done everything you need to do :)
[12:28] <McPeter> just in case
[12:29] <jpds> McPeter: Did you file a launchpad question about it?
[12:30] <McPeter> i use email .. because i won't post on public area
[12:31] <McPeter> rhaaa … sh** i founr a new account with the same link :\
[12:31] <McPeter> s/founr/found


[07:50] <Noskcaj> are any of you on ubuntu-discourse.org ?
[07:51] <jea> i am not
[07:53] <jea> so what is the benefit of that over askubuntu?
[07:53] <Noskcaj> jea, it's a devel discussion AFAIK. i don't fully understand it
[07:55] <jea> i see jorge is somewhat behind it
[07:56] <Noskcaj> yeah, his watercooler title made me hope it was PC watercooling, instead it was a strange "social network" for all of us
[07:57] <jea> mm, not sure what i think yet
[07:57] <jea> it is sort of yet another site to check
[07:57] <jea> but it looks nicer than the forums
[07:58] <jea> probably the forums could be discontinued - askubuntu and this thing would cover everything
[07:59] <Noskcaj> i never liked the ubuntu forums, always preferred atomicmpc and Overclock.net . This has a lot more colour than the ubuntu forums, which helps
[07:59] <jea> yeah, i can't say i liked the forums much
[08:04] <Noskcaj> How can i help with translations to English(AU)? Writing testcases has gotten boring
[08:04] <Noskcaj> or any other Ubuntu AU stuff
[08:26] <jea> um, will you still be around a bit later? I can walk you through translations then
[08:28] <Noskcaj> jea, i should be online till 8
[08:28] <jea> ok
[08:30] <jea> Noskcaj: ask to join these teams:
[08:30] <jea> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-au
[08:30] <jea> https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-en-au
[08:30] <jea> After that, you will have access to translate Ubuntu into en-AU
[08:31] <jea> I can give you some other tips later (or tomorrow if I am not back in time)
[08:31] <jea> it is fairly straight forward though
[08:31] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks
[23:37] <Noskcaj_school> jea: i've suggested about 1000 translations, who approves them?
[23:57] <jea> Noskcaj_School: I can approve them. I will go through them later
[23:58] <Noskcaj_School> jea: ok, ty
[23:59] <jea> Noskcaj_School: Once you are approved in the team, your translations will be automatically approved as you do them
[23:59] <Noskcaj_School> ok