[17:50] <joelkraehemann> no more snap?
[19:14] <cjwatson> joelkraehemann: Huh?
[19:48] <joelkraehemann> cjwatson I read somewhere ubuntu discontinues snap ...
[19:49] <joelkraehemann> I think it was a 1. April fool
[20:28] <joelkraehemann> what gnome extensions can I use in order to provide a gtk4 snap?
[20:29] <joelkraehemann> I have snapcraft 7.1 but there is no gnome-42
[20:34] <joelkraehemann> https://snapcraft.io/docs/supported-extensions
[20:52] <cjwatson> joelkraehemann: I think you'll need to ask somewhere with snapcraft people about that, e.g. forum.snapcraft.io
[20:52] <cjwatson> we're not snapcraft experts, or at least I'm certainly not
[20:53] <arraybolt3> joelkraehemann: There's also a #snappy IRC channel.
[20:53]  * cjwatson is sufficiently not an expert not to even entirely know where to ask :)
[20:56] <joelkraehemann> I build my snaps on launchpad
[20:56] <joelkraehemann> https://launchpad.net/~jkraehemann/+snap/gsequencer-4
[20:56] <joelkraehemann> but thank you
[22:01] <joelkraehemann> my local snap build is fine but not on launchpad :-/
[22:10] <cjwatson> It's probably still something to ask snapcraft folks about
[22:10] <cjwatson> Oh, though maybe not, looking at that failure
[22:11] <cjwatson> Something to do with checking out the code from bzr?
[22:11] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/brz/+bug/1876948
[22:12] <cjwatson> Easiest fix would be to just use git instead, to be honest
[22:12] <cjwatson> Since the bzr branch you're using was created recently and isn't complicated


[00:00] <skribblezatcha> i hear you, well i just play nintendo 64 games that i run with wine, and play supertuxkart which is a native linux racing game..and i am content with that so.
[00:00] <skribblezatcha> i dont use windows anymore, i havent used windows in about a year.
[00:00] <linuxthefish> wow
[00:00] <skribblezatcha> wow what linuxthefish?
[00:01] <Pappy55uk> i can see myself switching if Steam OS takes off
[00:01] <skribblezatcha> its pretty much up and running as far as i can see Pappy55uk.
[00:02] <linuxthefish> i would run linux full time but my computer isn't compatible
[00:02] <linuxthefish> so only on servers :(
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=steamOS
[00:02] <Pappy55uk> dident Commodore release a linux build with an official C-64 and Amiga enviroment buint into it?
[00:02] <skribblezatcha> why isnt your computer compatible linuxthefish?
[00:03] <skribblezatcha> i dont know Pappy55uk, to be honest.
[00:03] <linuxthefish> some ACPI things
[00:03] <linuxthefish> skribblezatcha 100% fan after resume from suspend
[00:03] <skribblezatcha> really linuxthefish? with ALL linux distros?
[00:03] <linuxthefish> yes
[00:03] <skribblezatcha> maybe just going and installing the acpi package is what you need to do?
[00:04] <linuxthefish> tried that :(
[00:04] <skribblezatcha> lm-sensors?
[00:04] <linuxthefish> 5 seconds
[00:04] <skribblezatcha> ok.
[00:05] <linuxthefish> also enabling trim deleted everything on my SSD :(
[00:05] <Pappy55uk> i plan to use linux for my home media pc under the TV when i get the extra parts sorteed
[00:05] <skribblezatcha> thats cool Pappy55uk.
[00:05] <Pappy55uk> just hope there are ssome good emulators
[00:05] <ScottsDesk> nice thing about live cd can browse and do stuff while installing
[00:05] <Pappy55uk> for Megadrive (genesis) SNES and MAME
[00:05] <skribblezatcha> there are a few good ones, and ways to get games running on linux.
[00:06] <skribblezatcha> i like that too ScottsDesk.
[00:06] <skribblezatcha> i know that there are a few linux emulators for all of those Pappy55uk. this is evidence of that, one sec.
[00:07] <skribblezatcha> http://scottjarvis.com/page105.htm
[00:07] <linuxthefish> skribblezatcha all sensors are normal temp :/
[00:07] <linuxthefish> after resume
[00:08] <linuxthefish> wait, temp7 is 90'C
[00:08] <skribblezatcha> do you have a multicore pc?
[00:08] <linuxthefish> duel core
[00:09] <skribblezatcha> ok, cool. do you happen to have the sensors plugin installed?
[00:09] <linuxthefish> lm-sensors?
[00:09] <linuxthefish> it's freezing cold air out PC and the 2nd highest temp is 25'c :/
[00:10] <skribblezatcha> no, within your panel, let me share a screenshot real quick. mind you this is upup raring <IP_ADDRESS> but i am running xfce 4.10.2 on it, so the same plugins are available for xubuntu. one sec.
[00:10] <ScottsDesk> Anyone have a nice script to run that will do all the basic things to install or add to a new install?
[00:11] <Pappy55uk> so is it essential to learn the terminal?
[00:11] <ScottsDesk> 90c ? thats aweful hot is it not?
[00:11] <skribblezatcha> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_04052014_-_08_10_11_PM-jDtLj6pj.png  see the sensors plugin showing the temp in the shot linuxthefish?
[00:12] <linuxthefish> no i don't have that :(
[00:12] <skribblezatcha> its a very good thing Pappy55uk, but take your time learning it. go and read online when you want to know something, etc. using linux and a need to know basis will teach you.
[00:12] <skribblezatcha> ok, well thats something that you may want to add to the panel linuxthefish, if you want?
[00:12] <ScottsDesk> im glad i grew up in the command line era... god can you imagine once we all die there wont be any real help out there... it will be just advanced users
[00:13] <linuxthefish> skribblezatcha but is there any way to fix super high speed fan?
[00:13] <skribblezatcha> run this command linuxthefish, sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies
[00:13] <skribblezatcha> i dont see why there wouldnt be linuxthefish, but its not on the pc that you are on is it?
[00:13] <linuxthefish> no, it's on my laptop
[00:14] <skribblezatcha> lol ScottsDesk.
[00:14] <ScottsDesk> everyone will just be told... ohh you must have a virus...
[00:15] <Pappy55uk> virus on linux?
[00:15] <ScottsDesk> no
[00:15] <Pappy55uk> there are only very few knoen oines i believe
[00:15] <skribblezatcha> lets hope not ScottsDesk.
[00:15] <linuxthefish> i think i have the virus on linux laptop :/
[00:15] <skribblezatcha> what OS do you have installed to the one having the fan issues linuxthefish?
[00:16] <linuxthefish> xubuntu
[00:16] <skribblezatcha> ok cool, thanks.
[00:16] <ScottsDesk> I am so glad I moved away from windows, but you can get trojans, and backdoors even in linux... not to mention the backdoor put into most hardware wise
[00:17] <skribblezatcha> you have cleaned the fan right linuxthefish?
[00:17] <Pappy55uk> i want to move away from windows
[00:18] <linuxthefish> skribblezatcha yes...
[00:18] <Pappy55uk> but being a gamer
[00:18] <Pappy55uk> it means a lot of pain
[00:18] <skribblezatcha> true that ScottsDesk.
[00:18] <linuxthefish> it's fine before suspending and it's fine on windows
[00:18] <skribblezatcha> ok cool linuxthefish.
[00:19] <ScottsDesk> i get that I really want to play dayz, but will have to wait till i put together enough extra to get a separat system for that.
[00:21] <skribblezatcha> http://tuxtweaks.com/2008/08/how-to-control-fan-speeds-in-ubuntu/  check this out linuxthefish.
[00:22] <linuxthefish> pwmconfig command not found...
[00:22] <skribblezatcha> did you run the other commands first?
[00:23] <linuxthefish> yes...
[00:23] <linuxthefish> sensors works fine
[00:24] <skribblezatcha> nice, you scanned them and everything?
[00:24] <linuxthefish> yes
[00:24] <skribblezatcha> cool.
[00:24] <skribblezatcha> you activated the modules and all of that?
[00:24] <linuxthefish> yes, also rebooted..
[00:27] <a_muva> power-manager is not working. Window does not show if I issue a command xfce4-power-manager, in terminal.
[00:29] <skribblezatcha> linuxthefish: see if fancontrol is in repo man, and if so install that and see if that helps.
[00:30] <skribblezatcha> yes, it should be in there. i just checked.
[00:35] <ScottsDesk> Well one thing I do like is with this os is each window is separate... unbutu drove me crazy with open windows the I had to mouse all the way to the top left to shut down or manage
[00:36] <skribblezatcha> i cant stand unity, i dont like gnome 3 either. so i tend to stick with the more traditional styled DE's..or those that can be made to act like one.
[00:36] <skribblezatcha> XFCE just ended up being my DE of choice because its light, stable, and has the features and things that i want in a DE.
[00:37] <ScottsDesk> yeah I was trying to actually mess with uninstalling many parts of it... but would uninstall something that was too tied to it and crash it...lol
[00:38] <skribblezatcha> lol
[00:38] <skribblezatcha> i did the same thing.
[00:38] <Kekai> I used to defend Ubuntu/Unity
[00:39] <Kekai> but the later 12.04 updates made it buggy and slow
[00:39] <ScottsDesk> Im just so glad I got away from windows what a joke.. compared to this... I would rather put a little effort into installing something command line than ever go back to that fraking bloat of a joke os
[00:40] <Kekai> ^
[00:40] <Kekai> I dont like that windows keeps the files from programs
[00:41] <Kekai> it makes it bloated after a while
[00:41] <ScottsDesk> I started out msdos command line installing and slowly got used to windows, and I loved xp which in my opinion was a great os... but now you have som much crap running and installing updating in the bg f that... I decide those things
[00:50] <skribblezatcha> i guess here in a few i will head back to xubuntu to check on some updates.
[00:51] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[00:56] <skribblezatcha> you can see that updates are starting to slow down for trusty a bit.
[02:05] <RFleming> Greetings!
[02:06] <skribblezatcha> greetings RFleming.
[02:06] <RFleming> skribblezatcha, not a helluva lot
[02:06] <skribblezatcha> i feel you man, same here. just playing some trivia.
[02:06] <RFleming> updated my home 14.04 today, and sure enough sound indicator not set to start :)
[02:06] <skribblezatcha> lol, did you get it back though?
[02:07] <RFleming> was in a cribbage battle with the wife today, just put her and the kids to bed :)
[02:07] <RFleming> skribblezatcha, checked my list :)
[02:07] <skribblezatcha> thats cool..and good deal. lol
[02:07] <RFleming> Hey skribblezatcha, I've got a question that I haven't found an answer to yet.
[02:08] <skribblezatcha> ok..
[02:08] <RFleming> how does one change what the power manager displays on the notification icon?
[02:08] <RFleming> I'd like it to show my laptop battery, but right now it's showing my mouses instead
[02:08] <RFleming> err mouse's
[02:09] <RFleming> I know it switches when on battery, but I don't care about my mouse so much
[02:09] <RFleming> more importantly, it's showing battery settings for a keyboard that doesn't exist
[02:09] <Kekai> lol
[02:09] <RFleming> because of the Logitech Unified dongle I suppose
[02:10] <`Fibz> it should have 2 icons, one for laptop battery and one for mouse/keyboard battery
[02:10] <skribblezatcha> i dont know, thats a good question. i was trying to figure out how to add another messenger to the message indicator on the indicator plugin.
[02:10] <skribblezatcha> mine just has the one for the battery icon i believe.
[02:10] <RFleming> `Fibz, it shows all three on the same icon
[02:11] <`Fibz> hmm... not here. i got 12.04, 13.10 and 14.04 running and all have 2 separate icons, 1 for UPS/laptop battery and one for wireless keyboard / mouse battery
[02:14] <`Fibz> in xfce power settings: what is currently set for System Tray Icon?
[02:15] <skribblezatcha> brb.
[02:15] <RFleming> http://picpaste.com/power-y2nQHQYK.png
[02:15] <`Fibz> that doesnt look like either of my icons
[02:16] <RFleming> never show
[02:16] <`Fibz> change that if you want to see that laptop battery
[02:17] <RFleming> the mouse changes to the battery when discharging
[02:17] <skribblezatcha> ok back.
[02:17] <RFleming> skribblezatcha, yours look like mine?
[02:17] <RFleming> http://picpaste.com/power-y2nQHQYK.png
[02:18] <RFleming> `Fibz, I could do that, then I have 2 :)
[02:18] <RFleming> two is one too many
[02:19] <skribblezatcha> o ok, i see what you mean now. i'm not on xubuntu right now. let me shoot to it real quick. brb.
[02:19] <`Fibz> http://picpaste.com/systray-IteIpKey.png
[02:19] <RFleming> lol
[02:19] <RFleming> `Fibz, yeah, you have two
[02:21] <`Fibz> do you get both when set to always show?
[02:22] <skribblezatcha> is that within the indicator plugin RFleming?
[02:24] <skribblezatcha> ok i see it now, when i put my battery back in.
[02:25] <skribblezatcha> no, mine looks different RFleming. want to see a screenshot?
[02:28] <RFleming> sure
[02:28] <RFleming> mine is different when my mouse is on
[02:29] <RFleming> sorry, not mouse... Logitech mouse/keyboard unified dongle
[02:29] <skribblezatcha> well this is a laptop too so.
[02:31] <skribblezatcha> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_04052014_-_10_30_17_PM-eI0mZhjN.png
[02:31] <skribblezatcha> see? mine just has the battery there.
[02:32] <RFleming> Ok, gotta do a few things.
[02:32] <RFleming> bbiab
[02:32] <skribblezatcha> take it easy man.
[03:31] <CyborgCygnus> Can you mount a directory folder as a USB DISK? I can't get shared folders working in virtualbox & want to attempt mounting a Virtual Disk Drive instead seeing as the VM can pick up USB Drives.
[03:32] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: you should be able to mount as you please, and as the technology dictates.. what is not working with a vbox share?
[03:34] <CyborgCygnus> holstein, In the VM's settings I setup a shared folder, I have installed the oracle virtual box guest additions as well as the extensions which got usb disks working but however when in the VM I attempt to mount the shared folder through the terminal & it won't work. Also this version is supposed to be drag & drop capable between host - guest, it's set to be bidirectional yet that also doesn't work. Hope that makes sense.
[03:36] <CyborgCygnus> Also I'm probably not supposed to but I'm running the ovb (Oracle Virtual Box) as root.
[03:36] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: i dont think you should have to mount in the terminal like that
[03:36] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: i would expect to need guest additions, which you have.. then, i would think it would "just work"..
[03:37] <CyborgCygnus> Am I supposed to add permissions  in the host? Well it says it should auto mount shared folders but nothing happens. I've restarted the VM a million times, reinstalled guest additions & the extensions yet nothing.
[03:37] <holstein> is this the virtualbox in the repos?
[03:37] <CyborgCygnus> Yes
[03:37] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: i dont think its much of a permissions thing like that..
[03:38] <CyborgCygnus> holstein, Okay. Version 4.3.6
[03:38] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: i agree, it "should" auto-mount
[03:38] <holstein> CyborgCygnus: both host and guest are linux?
[03:38] <CyborgCygnus> Yep
[03:38] <CyborgCygnus> Both xubuntu 14.04
[03:39] <holstein> lol.. best case scenario, you would think
[03:39] <CyborgCygnus> I know right.
[03:39] <holstein> though, i have not run vbox on 14.04, yet.. i suppose that could be broken
[03:51] <skribblezatcha> goodnight everyone and God bless.
[04:56] <ScottsDesk> Hello I was wondering if anyone can tell me how to monitor a internet data connection with xubuntu, I want to monitor from the router endpoint like I guess it would be via the ip address assigned to me?
[04:56] <ScottsDesk> this way I see all traffic even possible hidden outside my machine
[04:57] <`Fibz> wireshark and etherape
[04:58] <`Fibz> and thousands of other tools
[04:58] <ScottsDesk> can it be installed on xubuntu... I tried it and kept getting a message that I needed winpcap installed?
[04:59] <`Fibz> sourceforge.net is full of them. some are in the xubuntu repository and can be installed through software center
[04:59] <`Fibz> ScottsDesk, yes, check ubuntu software ceneter
[04:59] <`Fibz> center*
[04:59] <ScottsDesk> ok
[05:00] <ScottsDesk> but the winpcap issue...
[05:00] <ScottsDesk> ?
[05:00] <`Fibz> what kind of monitoring did you have in mind?
[05:01] <`Fibz> pcap gets installed when you install something that needs it (like wireshark)
[05:02] <ScottsDesk> well like wireshark... trying to locate possible hidden hardware enabled on a server inside the network thats connecting to a server... but dont know where
[05:04] <ScottsDesk> there is a possible server with a hardware installed in the bios that can be enabled outside and once inside well you know
[05:04] <ScottsDesk> inside my network
[05:06] <`Fibz> you might be interested in kali linux, you can just run it as a live disk. it has all these security tools pre-installed: http://www.kali.org/
[05:06] <`Fibz> but you dont need it. kali is built on ubuntu. everything in kali can be installed on xubuntu
[05:07] <`Fibz> (built on ubuntu but not supported by canonical)
[05:07] <Unit193> No, Kali is Debian stable based.
[05:07] <`Fibz> is it?
[05:07] <nonuby> whats the service the automount usb drives (I can see it with sudo fdisk -l as fat32), i suspect I may have removed something in attempts to optimize power/boot
[05:07] <Unit193> `Fibz: Oh yeah.
[05:07] <`Fibz> could have sworn i saw ubuntu in the cli
[05:08] <`Fibz> well the theory still stands.   everything included in kali can be installed on xubuntu.
[05:09] <ScottsDesk> best I can tell its a intel atm type hardware or on some like its also installed on some amd systems... its remote admin basically but hardware so its hidden even from the os so
[05:11] <ScottsDesk> anyone know how other than unplug everything disable it once I locate it?
[05:11] <`Fibz> there are plenty of other rooms with better knowledge of security issues. #security or ##networking being examples
[05:13] <`Fibz> if it's running a signed cert you wont get much with wireshark alone
[05:14] <`Fibz> etherape will help pinpoint
[05:16] <ScottsDesk> ill try both and see
[05:18] <`Fibz> there is also nmap and zenmap
[05:22] <xubuntu138> hello
[05:22] <`Fibz> hi
[05:23] <xubuntu138> ran into a bump when switching to xubuntu on my machine is it ok to ask fro help here?
[05:24] <`Fibz> this is the xubuntu help channel. go for it?
[05:24] <xubuntu138> well I can seem to get my printer to work properly. It's an Ricoh Aficio 1515fm network printer, but the default driver doesn't work.
[05:25] <xubuntu138> any ideas?
[05:25] <`Fibz> doesnt work as in doesnt install?
[05:26] <xubuntu138> Well xbunut finds it in the network and uses a default driver, but instead of printing the test page it prints out a whole bunch of gibberish.
[05:28] <`Fibz> is it possible to try printing from it locally?
[05:28] <xubuntu138> hmmm haven't tried
[05:29] <xubuntu138> But then again it's an office printer so i don't think i get acces to plug my computer directly to the printer
[05:30] <`Fibz> i thought not
[05:33] <xubuntu138> oh well guess i'll try later. thanks
[06:10] <CyborgCygnus> holstein, Finally painstakingly mounted the share folder in a terminal with sudo & also copied my file into it with sudo mv source destination as it wouldn't let me drag & drop without permissions.
[10:47] <iciccio> ciao a tutti
[11:03] <acesbatman> hello, anyone awake that feels able to help someone out?
[11:04] <cfhowlett> !askacesbatman
[11:04] <cfhowlett> !ask|acesbatman
[11:13] <acesbatman> Hehe, ok.  I see how it is. :P  The thing I need help with is, I original tried Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 32 bit last year around November, then went to 64bit and back again, and updates galore, trying to solve 3 main issues I been having.  1 being the notorious Nvidia drivers, and the fact I am on an old mobo that seems to not like how Ubuntu uses ACPI, and my old 560 Ti graphics card started flaking out and basically said it had enough of this crap, and w
[11:13] <acesbatman> ill black out randomly while booted up to desktop once I updated the graphics driver to 331.  Thats when I started having the major problems.  But the minor problems was ACPI, and Pulseaudio issues over VOIP programs like Skype and such.  Anyways to make my story short, I switched to xubuntu as hearing it was light weight, and indeed it is, and runs almost perfect.   Then I been told I should upgrade to latest, and some opinions got thrown into the
[11:13] <acesbatman>  mix, now I am on Xubuntu 14.04 LTS, and now I am being told that this is just beta and pre-release.  I also hear alot that LTS is better and more stable to be using.  But I have many problems, and I would like to get help for each 1 at a time, and possibly be able to use my 560 again, and not be on my older graphics card.
[11:13] <cfhowlett> acesbatman 14.04 is indeed in beta = final release scheduled for 04/17/14
[11:14] <cfhowlett> acesbatman 560>
[11:14] <cfhowlett> ?
[11:14] <acesbatman> GTX 560 Ti
[11:14] <acesbatman> I reverted back to an older card because of it
[11:15] <cfhowlett> acesbatman what is your computer make/model
[11:15] <acesbatman> its home built, so how would you want me to tell it?  Specs?
[11:16] <cfhowlett> acesbatman good to know.  describe your problems
[11:22] <acesbatman> Well, Skype and another program I used had voip only problems, like crackling or robotic voice, or to best describe it, sounding like when a pc is about to crash in a game, and you got the BSOD... and sounds constantly repeating.  It did not do this all the time, but this was one of the first major problems I had.  The second problem I had was random freezing, but only in firefox and 3d graphic intense games.  The freezes only lasted for maybe 1 se
[11:22] <acesbatman> cond to 15 seconds depending.  The other issue I am having right now is overheating, but that is to be expected with this particular graphics card I am using, but I am unaware of it having these issues on the 560.  The other issue was, getting the right nvidia drivers, which I eventually fixed several times.  Then I ran fwts, just recently, and it had a few errors and warnings with the DSDT and the ACPI.  Anyways, I just want my system back to a st
[11:22] <acesbatman> able setup, and if possible, get it to not freeze anymore, and no more overheating and worries, and swat some bugs, if you know what I mean.
[11:24] <cfhowlett> acesbatman what ubuntu did you have previously?
[11:25] <acesbatman> I have only tried, Unity, KDE, and the Desktops, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, GNOME, and KUbuntu....  I tried those,  and so far I am liking Xubuntu the most, as it is using less CPU which was the other problem I forgot to mention.
[11:26] <cfhowlett> !lubuntu|acesbatman it's optimized for older/lower specification hardware
[11:28] <acesbatman> Ok, cut to the chase, 4GB RAM, 2.8Ghz Duel Core AMD Athlon, 150GB 10000 RPM HD, and GTX 260 OC, was using a 560 Ti... whats the recommended Desktop for that configuration on a 2009 Mobo?
[11:28] <cfhowlett> acesbatman lubuntu
[11:29] <cfhowlett> 14.04 will be supported for long-term.  13.10 is current
[11:31] <acesbatman> wait, I am on Xubuntu though, minus the issues I have been having its been pretty light on me, Ubuntu was the Desktop environment that was giving me the most trouble
[11:31] <acesbatman> can Lubuntu run 3d games and steam, and skype, and youtube stuff pretty good?
[11:32] <cfhowlett> acesbatman lubuntu = ubuntu with different desktop environment.  if the underlying system supports it, the windows environment is merely eye candy.  windows environment does not "run" anything
[11:33] <cfhowlett> acesbatman test it yourself.
[11:33] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <cfhowlett> then logout, choose lubuntu session, login
[11:35] <acesbatman> I thought xubuntu was the lightweight and that lubuntu was going to be dropped?
[11:36] <cfhowlett> acesbatman  1.  right.  2.  Hell no.
[11:40] <acesbatman> eh, I did not have major problems with xubuntu though, it runs fast, its just the high temps on my graphics card, and the ACPI issue I am having with the power, I saw on a post online that Gigabyte motherboards have issues with Ubuntu in general and Linux in general because its meant for Windows, but I am trying to avoid windows
[11:51] <acesbatman> I am referring to my results on the fwts test, I do not know what to do to correct the problems it is reporting, and unable to find anything online about it, except people talking about UEFI, and my system is not UEFI
[11:52] <cfhowlett> acesbatman so you have a gigabyte mobo?
[11:52] <acesbatman> yes
[11:53] <cfhowlett> acesbatman can't help you.
[11:53] <cfhowlett> sorry
[11:53] <acesbatman> know where I can get help for it?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> acesbatman try main channel
[11:53] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu
[11:53] <acesbatman> ok
[11:53] <acesbatman> thanks
[14:20] <RFleming> Greetings
[14:20] <cfhowlett> RFleming and you
[14:21] <RFleming> Thanks cfhowlett
[14:28] <cfhowlett> RFleming ask your ubuntu questions
[14:52] <peyam> hi
[14:53] <RFleming> Hi peyam
[14:53] <peyam> is it anyone here that has time to edit a theme for xubuntu. I struggled with it alot but dont get the wanted result?
[14:55] <peyam> http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/simpliX-346404452 this is the theme and My commect there is the issues ive been working on
[14:55] <peyam> http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/simpliX-346404452
[14:56] <peyam> ops. sorry dubble paste
[14:58] <RFleming> I don't know how to theme for xubuntu, sorry.
[15:00] <cfhowlett> RFleming www.xfce-look.org has a forum
[15:09] <skribblezatcha> hi.
[15:10] <RFleming> skribblezatcha! ;)
[15:10] <skribblezatcha> RFleming :)
[15:50] <Azelphur> Has anyone noticed that Xubuntu seems to miss windows from the task list occasionally for no apparent reason?
[15:51] <GridCube> Azelphur, are you sure that those windows are not in different virtual desktops?
[15:52] <Azelphur> GridCube: yup, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Apr/2014-04-06-165149_5120x1440_scrot.png
[15:52] <Azelphur> notice...where's the terminal at?
[15:54] <GridCube> what is that icon with a white square with a blue line?
[15:54] <Azelphur> amusingly...it's gedit (it never seems to get the icon right for gedit)
[15:55] <Azelphur> GridCube: ah, I found something interesting, if I tick "Show windows on all monitors", it perks up
[15:55] <Azelphur> which is bizarre, as...it's obviously on that monitor.
[15:56]  * GridCube doesn't know that far
[15:56] <GridCube> Azelphur, i would recommend you to fill a bug report
[15:56] <Azelphur> yea, sounds like a bug report job, you are right
[17:29] <kalle> hi all
[17:29] <kalle> need help to set up xorg second vga screen with matrox g450
[17:30] <GridCube> kalle, do so with arandr
[17:32] <kalle> grid...the problem is that only one screen is shown
[17:32] <kalle> it is cloned
[17:32] <kalle> i see exactly the same on both screens
[17:32] <kalle> i need a xorg.conf example
[17:34] <GridCube> kalle, as said, use arandr, you can drag the windows, one to the side of the other, not overlapping
[17:34] <KombuchaKip> Hey folks. After many years of people asking, I am attempting to implement this feature request for Simple Scan. Please show your support on the Launchpad page if you are affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/simple-scan/+bug/483391
[17:36] <kalle> gridcube....i checked arandr already...it does not show a second screen...it only shows the "default" screen
[17:39] <GridCube> in the "output" menu does it shows the device? is it enabled?
[17:40] <kalle> thats my problem
[17:40] <kalle> the output menu shows only "default"
[17:41] <GridCube> well, theres your problem then
[17:41] <kalle> on manjaro i had it running by defining it in xorg.conf
[17:45] <kalle> how d i manualy set up X here ?
[18:11] <bekks> Install xorg-server, done.
[20:01] <mzr> does anybody have experience getting VMware unity working with Xubuntu on a windows host?
[21:04] <brunost> hi! has anybody here experienced xubuntu 13.10 being stuck at the splash screen?
[21:04] <brunost> I can open another terminal session and it works just fine but it won't start the graphical session
[21:25] <RFleming> Hey elfy
[21:26] <elfy> o/
[21:27] <RFleming> Perhaps you have an answer :)
[21:28] <RFleming> what's the expected behaviour of Maximize on a tiled window?
[21:28] <skribblezatcha> brunost: what commands have you entered to try and get to the desktop?
[21:30] <elfy> RFleming: not sure tbh - seems to just go back to 'my setting' if I maximize a tiled window
[21:30] <RFleming> elfy, I was expecting it to maximize to fill the whole screen.  I get the same as you with all apps except Chrome, in which Chrome does nothing
[21:30] <RFleming> If I unsnap the tile, then maximize ... err, maximizes
[21:31] <elfy> yep
[21:31] <RFleming> odd behaviour
[21:31] <elfy> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10084
[21:32] <elfy> tied up with that perhaps
[21:32] <skribblezatcha> fullscreen takes away the maximize, minimize, and close buttons up at the top of the window it appears RFleming.
[21:32] <elfy> fullscreen or maximise
[21:33] <elfy> and I see maximise buttons in fullscreen
[21:33] <elfy> though I'm not using a released version
[21:33] <brunost> skribblezatcha: it does work if I run startxfce4 in the terminal
[21:34] <brunost> but lightdm fails to start
[21:34] <skribblezatcha> those disappear for me in fullscreen mode..atleast this chat window.
[21:34] <skribblezatcha> ok cool brunost. one sec. i cant get out of fullscreen mode now. lol
[21:35] <brunost> lightdm.log outputs cant fint session 'xubuntu' failed to find session configuration lightdm-gtk-greeter failed to create greater session
[21:35] <skribblezatcha> is that what was originally installed brunost, lightdm?
[21:35] <skribblezatcha> it also covers the panels in fullscreen mode.
[21:36] <skribblezatcha> i wish that i knew how to do get out of it.:|
[21:36] <brunost> seems like it as it was a stock installation of xubuntu 13.10
[21:36] <skribblezatcha> ok cool brunost. yeah thats odd. i dont know.
[21:39] <RFleming> elfy, It's maximize
[21:39] <RFleming> I've been doing more experimenting
[21:40] <RFleming> it seems that if I snap something to the right and hit maximize, it does just that
[21:40] <RFleming> if I snap up, left or down, it'll snap back to right.
[21:40] <elfy> I don't get snap left or right here
[21:41] <RFleming> that's because you have the workspace switchet set
[21:42] <elfy> probably ...
[21:42] <RFleming> err... what's that called... workspace wrapping
[21:42] <elfy> yea - of course - I'm being late at night here ... workspaces wrap
[21:43] <RFleming> I've set a hotkey of Super-<arrow keys> for tiling
[21:45] <elfy> firefox - tiled, maximise sets it to original size prior to tiling
[21:45] <RFleming> elfy, and it appears the window manager keyboard shortcut for maximize doesn't work at all.
[21:45] <RFleming> Alt+F7 is supposed to maximize window
[21:45] <elfy> maximise first then dragging to tile it sets it to original size
[21:46] <RFleming> Alt-F5 and Alt-F6 work
[21:46] <elfy> alt+f7 does nothing here - but tahr might be set differently and it's too late at night to be checking
[21:47] <RFleming> I don't know if this is an Xubuntu thing, or an XFCE thing
[21:49] <ux> hello
[21:50] <ux> just installed xubuntu, it had some bugs
[21:50] <TheSheep> !bugs | ux
[21:51] <RFleming> elfy, seems to be an old bug... bug 992579 seems to encapsulate the behaviour
[21:51] <RFleming> also seems to be assigned to xfce-bugs #4695 :)
[21:51] <RFleming> bad link ubottu :)
[21:52] <RFleming> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4695
[21:52] <ux> failed to install grub!!
[21:52] <TheSheep> !!!!
[21:53] <TheSheep> ux: I recently noticed that when enabling 'download updates' at the beginning helps with that
[21:54] <TheSheep> ux: but only if it's the same problem as I had, that it couldn't find the grub package
[21:54] <TheSheep> ux: you can check the logs in /var/log/syslog
[21:54] <RFleming> elfy, solution is in Comment #5... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/992579/comments/5  Alt-F10 is indeed still set to Maximize
[21:55] <ux> thanks TheSheep Ill look into it
[21:59] <ux> wow thats a bit log trying to find it
[22:00] <TheSheep> ux: look at the end
[22:14] <ux> i repaired grub at command line
[22:14] <CyborgCygnus> Best way to refresh a users account or copy their account data to a new account?
[22:16] <ux> how do I change this long ugly name?  /dev/mapper/pdc_bdjajeabgd5
[23:10] <TheX> Hello Is there anyway to get the "Nun Lock" key to boot with Xubuntu?
[23:16] <ochosi> you can use numlockx and put it into autostart
[23:32] <TheX> numlockx Worked great Thanks..
[23:33] <ochosi> no problem
[23:37] <simpleuser> Hi there. Someone told me he can use his mouse to interact with weechat/irssi. I can’t. He told me it could be linked to the multiplexer but it’s the same without byobu. I tried on Guake and xfce4-terminal. Any idea? Or was it an april joke? :)
[23:40] <ochosi> for me scrolling with the mousewheel is the same as arrow up/down (i.e. going through previous posts)
[23:40] <ochosi> other than that i don't have much mouse interaction (apart from hyperlinks obviously)
[23:42] <simpleuser> Yeah, I don’t talk about scrolling but interacting with a menu for example


[00:03] <sebas5384> jose: ping
[01:52] <jose> sebas5384: pong
[01:52] <jose> sorry, was at university
[06:42] <Prabakaran> I have created a charm for java. In my config-changed hooks i have written code for installation procedure, and in my start hook i have written command "java -version " to check java is installed successfully or not. Now the issue is deployment was not successful as start hooks failing stating "java - Command not found" but  i logged into juju local machine and checked java installed or not by running java -version it was working
[08:59] <stub> hazmat: I think you can do both. The limitation is apparently logical replication can only happen from the primary, whereas hot standbys can cascade.
[09:01] <sto> hello, I'm trying to generate my own bundle to install openstack and want to deploy some services to specific machines... ¿is that possible?
[09:02] <sto> I was trying to do it with tags, but seems that the bundle does not handle them
[09:04] <sto> juju-quickstart: error: bad API server response: invalid request: invalid bundle bundle: unsupported constraints: tags
[09:10] <sto> I'll try to add the machines first and deploy to "1", "2", etc
[10:45] <marcoceppi> sto: tags are supported, that error is very odd. Could you please show us your bundle file?
[10:48] <sto> marcoceppi: I'll send it latter, sure
[11:24] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: sto that's quickstart/the gui. I think it doesn't support tags as they're not available across systems and doesn't support deploying bundles to 'existing machines'
[11:24] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: sto using the deployer directly might prove to have better results for something specific like that.
[11:25] <sto> rick_h_: aha
[11:28] <sto> ok, then, I'll move to deployer
[11:29] <sto> thanks for the advice
[14:34] <wwitzel3> whit: ping pong
[14:36] <whit> hiya wwitzel3
[14:38] <jcastro> bdx: heya
[14:38] <jcastro> bdx: did dmitri's jusggestion wrt. passing --debug help find the cause?
[16:17] <bfrank> hi, has there been any progress towards using juju on centos?
[16:28] <alexisb> bfrank, juju v1.24.0 (currently in stable ppa) is the first juju release with CentOS workload support
[16:29] <alexisb> bfrank, release notes: https://launchpad.net/juju-core/+milestone/1.24.0
[16:31] <bfrank> thanks
[20:36] <redelmann> hi there!
[20:37] <redelmann> Is any simple way to get all hostname of units on a service?
[20:37] <redelmann> using charmhelper
[20:38] <redelmann> something like needmyunits() => ['maas-node-1', 'maas-node-2'] etc etc
[20:48] <thumper> marcoceppi, lazyPower: ^^
[21:00] <hazmat> redelmann: if they have a peer relation. you can just do relation-list to get them
[21:02] <redelmann> hazmat, nice, i don't have peer-relation, maybe is time add one to my charm.
[21:02] <redelmann> hazmat, ThankYou
[21:02] <hazmat> np


[00:07] <alexandros_c> Happy Thanksgiving to all my American friends
[00:52] <xubuntu01w> hello everybody
[17:13] <xubuntu89w> xubuntu installed on Dell E6520 latitude laptop. is install of or are there issues?
[17:14] <brainwash> xubuntu89w: what?
[17:14] <brainwash> your question does not make much sense
[17:16] <xubuntu89w> I'm looking to install Xubuntu to dell E6520 Latitude Laptop, if I do is the installation a clean one or are there issues, like for Sound
[17:17] <xubuntu89w> in other words sound drivers not being available ?
[17:18] <sorinello> xubuntu89w, simplest way is to boot from a live USB stick or CD, and see if you have sound
[17:18] <xubuntu89w> maybe be because your not technically sensed at all, go back to school kidding boy
[17:18] <xubuntu89w> no shit sherlock
[17:19] <brainwash> it should work fine
[17:19] <xubuntu89w> do you or do you not know the issues if not say so
[17:19] <brainwash> well, you can check the bug tracker yourself
[17:19] <brainwash> it's public
[17:20] <xubuntu89w> & you suppose to be support, Go back to bed
[17:20] <sorinello> what an asshole
[21:00] <Birke> \join
[21:05] <Birke> Hi folks, how could I learn the commands for (x)ubuntu parallel to using the desktop environment?
[21:05] <Birke> I mean is there an option to see something like a command log?
[21:08] <brainwash> Birke: try the "history" command in a terminal window
[21:08] <brainwash> alternatively, you can open the file ~/.bash_history
[21:24] <Birke> brainwash: thanks, and good night for now!


[02:54] <hyperair> Sarvatt: did you notice xserver-xorg-video-intel's last two snapshots being terrible?
[04:22] <Sarvatt> hyperair: you mean the last 6?
[04:22] <Sarvatt> the fact i uploaded 6 new snapshots in a day says yes I did :D
[04:23] <Sarvatt> still have to force disable pageflipping too :(
[04:24] <Sarvatt> oh goodie 11 new commits too, i'm scared to update it again since its at least mostly working and it's been broken every day :D
[04:26] <hyperair> Sarvatt: oh heh. xD
[04:26] <Sarvatt> i'll update it at midnight (30 minutes away) and make sure its not screwed before uploading it this time
[04:26] <hyperair> Sarvatt: ok cool.
[04:26] <hyperair> Sarvatt: i've got an old deb which works =p
[04:26] <hyperair> -rw-r--r--    1 hyperair hyperair<PHONE_NUMBER>-05-15 05:02 xserver-xorg-video-intel_2%3a2.11.0+git20100511.8562b7bc-0ubuntu0sarvatt_amd64.deb
[04:26] <Sarvatt> the one on there now isn't working for you?
[04:26] <hyperair> er artifacts all over.
[04:26] <Sarvatt> ah thats the 5-08 one
[04:26] <hyperair> yesterday's one just had issues with compiz's shadows.
[04:27] <Sarvatt> i just said screw it and rebranded the 05-08 as 05-11 because it was all kinds of messed up on 5-10
[04:27] <hyperair> so the shadows went missing, and then some of the selected items' borders got bolder.
[04:27] <Sarvatt> what one did you try?
[04:27] <Sarvatt> because the 5-14 is working ok here
[04:27] <Sarvatt> all of the 5-13 ones were messed up, i was adding commits to that instead of doing a new checkout as they went in
[04:27] <hyperair>  2:2.11.0+git20100513.8de09a07-0ubuntu0sarvatt~lucid and 2:2.11.0+git20100512.6c27f6e4-0ubuntu0sarvatt
[04:28] <hyperair> aha 5-14 eh.
[04:28] <Sarvatt> 2:2.11.0+git20100514.4be8d7eb-0ubuntu0sarvatt - not having any problems with that outside of the drawer applet going black sometimes
[04:28] <hyperair> drawer applet..  haven't used that.
[04:28] <Sarvatt> but theres 11 new commits since that one now too
[04:29] <hyperair> lol
[04:29] <Sarvatt> i think a new quarterly release is due soon, they usually shove in a ton of things that break this way every time right before it :D
[04:30] <Sarvatt> at least its fixed at the end of the day every day the past week, instead of being broken for the whole month of november last time :D
[04:31] <hyperair> heh i remember soemthing of that sort
[04:31] <hyperair> i switched from aptitude forbid-version to aptitude hold
[04:31] <Sarvatt> lemme know if 5-14 works for you, better off holding off until tomorrow to update when the fixes for these 11 commits hit if it does
[04:32] <hyperair> okay, i'll go install it now.
[04:35] <hyperair> okay, shadows are missing, the panel icon for the main menu in gnome-panel turns black occasionally
[04:35] <Sarvatt> i try not to let it stay broken though even if it means i have to upload an old working snapshot
[04:35] <hyperair> but other than that, it's fine.
[04:35] <Sarvatt> ok will update it and see how it goes then
[04:35]  * Sarvatt jumps ahead a time zone and updates things
[04:35] <hyperair> lol
[04:40] <Sarvatt> what shadows are missing? I don't see that at all
[04:41] <Sarvatt> uploaded 05-15
[04:42] <hyperair> Sarvatt: gtk-window-decorator usually puts drop shadow.s
[04:42] <hyperair> shadows*
[04:42] <Sarvatt> ah i use mutter
[04:42] <hyperair> heh
[04:43] <Sarvatt> woke up to it looking like this this morning - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/screenshot.png
[04:43] <Sarvatt> couldn't screenshot the nasty constant flicker though :)
[04:45] <Sarvatt> if this one is screwed up i'm just going to put the 05-08 (thats the same as your 05-11 one) back on there for a bit
[04:49] <hyperair> i see.
[04:49]  * hyperair notes that Sarvatt's machine is called asuka.
[04:49] <hyperair> NGE?
[04:50] <Sarvatt> yep :)
[04:50] <hyperair> heheh
[04:53] <Sarvatt> ahh go figure huge build queue for chromium/mozilla :)
[04:57] <Sarvatt> seems to be working fine
[04:57] <Sarvatt> shadows are messed up, I see what you mean
[04:58] <Sarvatt> switched to compiz and i see a light border a few pixels away from the edge of windows and where the shadow should be is completely transparent
[04:59] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/screenshot2.png
[04:59] <Sarvatt> can see the grey border there
[05:05] <Sarvatt> i probably would have never noticed that since i use everything maximized anyway :)
[05:07] <Sarvatt> stinks that its impossible to disable vsync now on intel without an env variable
[05:08] <Sarvatt> tried setting vblank_mode to 0 in /etc/drirc and ~/.drirc but it doesn't stick, vblank_mode=0 glapp works though
[05:10] <hyperair> env variable?
[05:11] <hyperair> what's wrong with vsync? i have it turned on anyway
[05:11] <hyperair> and you can set your .xprofile/.gnomerc to export the var
[05:13] <Sarvatt> well for one its totally screwed up on 945
[05:13] <Sarvatt> if you dont move the mouse constantly to generate interrupts it lags to all hell
[05:14] <Sarvatt> 20 fps glxgears ftw! :)
[05:15] <hyperair> ouch
[05:30] <Sarvatt> ouch, libdrm in xorg-edgers picked up an epoch somewhere in the past month? how the heck did that happen, i dont see forcing one in my history and dont think anyone else uploaded it
[05:35] <Sarvatt> argh I did do it when I updated to xserver 1.8 since i reused a command updating a driver - ./auto-xorg-git *-e 1* -d origin/ubuntu -g -p libdrm -a 0ubuntu0sarvatt -t +
[05:38] <Sarvatt> guess it'd be more evil to delete it and reupload without an epoch since it'd strand people with the epoch version unless they manually downgraded and anyone switching away *needs* to use ppa-purge
[05:39] <Bernardo> good morning
[08:17] <Bernardo> hi lucazade
[08:17] <lucazade> morning
[08:19] <lucazade> i've read that 2.6.34 should fix /proc/acpi/video, in that way ignoreacpi could be removed
[08:20] <Bernardo> and it seems there is a fix for the psb module in the intel mailing list, we should look at that
[08:24] <Bernardo> this seems similar, maybe we can do the same kind of patch - http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1224507 ?
[08:24] <Bernardo> I don't have 2.6.34 here, maybe I'll be able to install it and test later today
[08:27] <lucazade> looking at
[11:21] <hyperair> Sarvatt: i seem to have gotten an upgrade for xserver-xorg-video-intel which fixes the black-icon syndrome but not brought back shadows.
[12:18] <jcristau> RAOF: fyi i took your vesa patch and added http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-vesa.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c3fb055a63c2eca23b3ba6b585484f010e2ee06 to get a package dependency on libdrm2
[13:20] <Sarvatt> hyperair: shadows fixed in git now, just uploaded it
[16:07] <Sarvatt> ok looks like FBC is just plain broken on a large number of 8086:2a42 devices as well, I was thinking it might be lenovo bios specific there - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/538648
[16:10] <Sarvatt> i dont think i can write up a patch to disable just FBC on that specific chipset since the structs encompass the whole generation, should we just quirk the powersave module parameter on that pci id for now?
[17:30] <Sarvatt> ricotz: ahh that dh_gconf problem is hitting your maverick mutter ppa too huh?
[17:31] <Sarvatt> looking at the debhelper changelog it should have been fixed but the fix isn't working
[17:31] <Sarvatt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:31] <Sarvatt>   mutter-common: Depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2) but 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[17:34] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hadnt looked really into it yet, but it seems to be another problem
[17:37] <ricotz> Sarvatt, did you had a look at failure protocol of gnome-shell?
[17:38] <Sarvatt> nope i dont use gnome-shell at all, looks like crap on a netbook
[17:39] <ricotz> ok, just thought so, because you mentioned this problem
[17:39] <Sarvatt> it's dh_gconf in debhelper for sure bringing in that dep,                         addsubstvar($package, "misc:Depends", "gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2)") unless $gconf_dep;
[17:40] <Sarvatt> its run by /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk
[17:42] <jcristau> i guess maverick will get new gconf soon enough
[17:44] <ricotz> Sarvatt, thanks for bringing this up
[17:45] <Sarvatt> ricotz: its affecting a ton of other packages in maverick right now, just brought it up in #ubuntu-desktop
[17:45] <Sarvatt> but UDS and all.. :D
[17:46] <Sarvatt> really wish xchat would release a new version already, it's insane how much faster svn is
[17:46] <ricotz> right ;-)
[17:47] <Sarvatt> takes close to a minute to start and load the scrollback for 32 channels on this atom cpu, 4 seconds with one of the commits backported :D
[17:47] <Sarvatt> having the same gconf problem with that though thats why i looked into it
[17:49] <ricotz> sounds like a hell of an improvement
[17:49] <ricotz> isnt there a ppa for xchat yet?
[17:49] <Sarvatt> so much stuff fails to build with gcc 4.5 though
[17:50] <Sarvatt> well I built it here - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1133313/+listing-archive-extra
[17:50] <Sarvatt> http://xchat.svn.sf.net/viewvc/xchat?view=rev&revision=1386 thats the commit that made such a huge difference
[17:51] <ricotz> nice!
[17:52] <ricotz> perhaps you can think of backporting the patches for mesa from nvfx-next-6b ;-)
[17:53] <ricotz> g2g, sorry
[17:53] <Sarvatt> that probably needs a lot of work to bring it up to date for master by now?
[17:55] <Sarvatt> just run auto-xorg-git like normal, control+z at the patching pause, delete debian/ and replace with git://sarvatt.com/mesa.git and git pull that branch into it and then let it finish
[17:56] <Sarvatt> or ./auto-xorg-git -H hooks -g -d origin/ubuntu -t "~" -p mesa -a 0ubuntu0ricotz -b nvfx-next-6b
[17:57] <Sarvatt> (and do the normal delete debian/ and replace with the other at the patching pause)
[17:57] <Sarvatt> just saying that incase he reads the irc logs :)
[18:05] <Sarvatt> ricotz: if you read this later I uploaded the nvfx-next-6b branch to https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/nouveau/+packages
[18:34] <LLStarks> yo sarvatt, alpha channel broken again in edgers?
[18:39] <Sarvatt> its been in various stages of brokenness all week, latest one is working fine here though now
[18:40] <LLStarks> D:
[18:43] <Sarvatt> if 2:2.11.0+git20100515.9c3da713-0ubuntu0sarvatt3 is screwed up for you and you have the old debs around the 05-11 one should be fine
[18:43] <jcristau> 2 new commits 5 minutes ago...
[18:43] <Sarvatt> thats the 0508 checkout with a later date since the breakages started on 0510
[18:44] <Sarvatt> sheesh I looked when he asked too!
[18:44] <Sarvatt> LLStarks: new version about to be uploaded..
[18:48] <LLStarks> i see
[18:48] <LLStarks> thanks
[18:49] <LLStarks> whenever something breaks in edgers, it's either alpha channel or gallium being a noob
[18:50] <Sarvatt> yep, lucky the breakage doesn't last for months at a time anymore though :)
[18:51] <LLStarks> maverick will be mesa except for nouveau, right?\
[18:51] <Sarvatt> what do you mean?
[18:51] <Sarvatt> mesa classic?
[18:51] <LLStarks> yup
[18:52] <Sarvatt> yeah.. if nouveau is there it'll be a seperate package unless they had other plans at UDS
[18:52] <LLStarks> lucid was classic+nouveau?
[18:52] <Sarvatt> no nouveau in lucid
[18:52] <LLStarks> or no 3d
[18:52] <Sarvatt> nouveau has a classic component too for older cards
[18:52] <LLStarks> wait, it didn't make the cut? i thought it did.
[18:52] <LLStarks> *it = nouveau
[18:52] <Sarvatt> no way
[18:53] <Sarvatt> it would have been crazy to ship nouveau gallium from 7.7.1
[18:53] <LLStarks> anyway, i'm finding i915/i945 gallium to be terrible. broken desktop rendering in 2d. no compositing whatsoever.
[18:54] <LLStarks> no 3d.
[18:54] <LLStarks> this is 0.4 i think
[18:55] <Sarvatt> 915 is working fine here, you using some crazy compiz plugins maybe?
[18:56] <Sarvatt> by working fine i mean i haven't seen any artifacts or had any crashes, the classic one is still way better
[18:58] <LLStarks> i wish i could enable occlusion and fragment shader on gallium
[18:58] <LLStarks> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20100330 DEVELOPMENT x86/MMX/SSE2
[18:58] <LLStarks> OpenGL version string: 2.0 Mesa 7.9-devel
[18:58] <LLStarks> OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
[18:59] <LLStarks> can only get opengl 1.4 and no glsl on gallium.
[18:59] <Sarvatt> LLVM=1 LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 yourapp? :D
[18:59] <LLStarks> lemme try.
[19:02] <Sarvatt> thats with libgl1-mesa-dri-gallium installed
[19:02] <Sarvatt> whoops, no llvm dep on that package
[19:03] <LLStarks> opengl 2.0 with classic and driconf tweaks. opengl 1.3 with gallium. i don't get it.
[19:04] <LLStarks> nice
[19:04] <LLStarks> compiz works now
[19:04] <Sarvatt> oh probably because you're using the classic dri lib for AIGLX,  it doesn't honor the --with-dri-searchpath thing I'm doing
[19:04] <LLStarks> might be software renderer
[19:04] <LLStarks> aiglx and xgl
[19:04] <LLStarks> haven't heard of those since the beryl days
[19:05] <Sarvatt> need to move /usr/lib/dri-gallium/i915_dri.so to /usr/lib/dri/
[19:05] <LLStarks> these days, compiz just works.
[19:05] <Sarvatt> move the old one out of the way and link it or whatever, haven't worked that part out yet
[19:05] <jcristau> is there any point using i915g?
[19:05] <Sarvatt> nope
[19:06] <Sarvatt> people read phoronix and think its better :)
[19:07] <jcristau> that's what i thought
[19:07] <jcristau> looks like it hasn't changed in a month or so
[19:07] <Sarvatt> it changed in the last month?!
[19:08] <Sarvatt> must have been a big api rework and they just fixed everything :)
[19:09] <jcristau> there was a bunch of commits from jakob mid april
[19:10] <LLStarks> fatal x crashes. wonky metacity and gnome-panel.
[19:10] <LLStarks> i'll stick to classic for now.
[19:10] <jcristau> "for now"...
[19:10] <Sarvatt> LLStarks: just curious, why did you think it was even supposed to be usable?
[19:11] <LLStarks> i never expected it to be.
[19:11] <jcristau> then what are you trying to do?
[19:11] <LLStarks> get a stable 2d desktop.
[19:11] <Sarvatt> with xorg-edgers..? :)
[19:12] <LLStarks> i don't see why gallium would affect the desktop when compositing is disabled.
[19:12] <LLStarks> edgers can be pretty stable. besides, i love bleeding edge.
[19:13] <jcristau> "i love bleeding edge" and "i want a stable 2d desktop".  interesting.
[19:14] <LLStarks> i use the word stable lightly
[19:14] <LLStarks> things can be screwed up under the hood, but everything should look right.
[19:31] <Sarvatt> guess i'll back those two patches back out, sick of uploading intel for tonight :) http://sarvatt.com/downloads/screenshot2.png
[19:55] <Sarvatt> yeaaah i need to stop updating crap today, i installed the gallium package to mess with llvmpipe there and thats what was causing the rendering problems with mutter :D


[01:05] <jcastro> man snap-l
[01:06] <jcastro> and/or jono, whoever is around
[01:06] <jono> jcastro, hey
[01:06] <jcastro> I think I have found the most beautiful 3 minutes of metal
[01:06] <jono> jcastro, show me :-)
[01:06] <jcastro> grab JUSTICE
[01:06] <jcastro> "To live is to die"
[01:07] <jcastro> and when you hit 4:21.
[01:07] <jcastro> from then until 7:21
[01:07] <jcastro> greatest 3 minutes ever.
[01:07] <jcastro> I only just figured this out
[01:07] <jcastro> while creating my "Instrumental masterpieces" playlist.
[01:07] <jono> oh yeah, I love this bit :-)
[01:07] <jcastro> I immediately emailed all my metallica friends
[01:08] <jcastro> My mailer almost autocompleted dave CAMP to jim CAMPbell, that would have been hilarious
[01:08] <jono> :-)
[01:08] <jono> my new fave song is Time Is Running Out by Muse
[01:08] <jono> haha
[01:08] <jcastro> hmm, this song is too long, they should have trimmed the front and then
[01:09] <jcastro> errr, the end
[01:09] <jono> :-)
[01:09] <jcastro> this is also like the only song on the whole album where you can make out the bass player
[01:09] <jcastro> hah, poor jason
[01:10] <jono> jcastro, check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIqPbZ20EXI
[01:10] <jcastro> on it
[01:11] <jcastro> hey! this drummer sounds like he was recorded in your studio!
[01:11] <jcastro> heh, I jest.
[01:11] <jcastro> hmm, this turned real good
[01:11] <jono> haha
[01:12] <jcastro> it was awesome until he started singing
[01:12] <jcastro> hahah
[01:12] <jcastro> why death metal, WHY.
[01:12] <jono> jcastro, check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjFxdzTD9BE
[01:12] <jono> the video is a bit stupid (not official) but the song is *nutS*
[01:13] <jcastro> is that a dog
[01:13] <jcastro> kind of looks like Daviey
[01:13] <jono> hah
[01:13] <jono> I love the drumming on this tune
[01:13] <jcastro> oh god, what is this
[01:14] <jcastro> ok audio only from now on from this band, lol
[01:14] <jono> hehe
[01:14] <jcastro> jono: tell me more about your rush education, what are you into right now
[01:14] <jcastro> hopefully not the modem song still
[01:14] <jono> jcastro, it is continuing, there is a lot to get through
[01:14] <jono> :-)
[01:15] <jono> this is the drummer I want to be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eemKIvrA-3w
[01:16] <jcastro> oh we saw this last sprint
[01:16] <jcastro> doesn't think just make you want to quit?
[01:17] <jono> seriously
[01:17] <jcastro> I love how he has these skinny arms
[01:17] <jcastro> and can just smoke that
[01:17] <jcastro> you'd think he'd have huge muscles just by keeping up
[01:18] <jono> yeah
[01:18] <jono> death drummers dont move a lot
[01:19] <jcastro> they don't seem to hit as hard as say Lombardo
[01:19] <jcastro> (not to take away from them)
[01:20] <jono> jcastro, so are you coming to see Severed Fifth play when you are out here?
[01:20] <jono> we are playing on the Sat night
[01:20] <jono> before UDS
[01:20] <jcastro> oh whew
[01:20] <jcastro> before?
[01:20] <jono> yup
[01:20] <jcastro> of course man
[01:20] <jono> :-)
[01:20] <jcastro> I didn't know until now
[01:20] <jono> we are supporting a band that has Paul Bostaph (drummer for Slayer) and an ex-Anthrax singer
[01:20] <jcastro> cheap?
[01:20] <jono> not sure price yet
[01:21] <jcastro> which anthrax guy?
[01:21] <jono> we only confirmed the show yesterday
[01:21] <jono> Dan Nelson
[01:21] <jcastro> oh, not the other guy
[01:21] <jono> he was after John Bush
[01:21] <jcastro> I actually liked the other guy
[01:21] <jono> yeah
[01:21] <jcastro> yeah john bush, I didn't even know a dude came after him
[01:21] <jono> yeah and then Bush came back
[01:21] <jcastro> but yeah, I'm in, I'll see if Chuck has to come early too
[01:21] <jono> and the 80s poodle guy came back
[01:21] <jono> cool
[01:22] <jcastro> he did come back
[01:22] <jcastro> and now they made the best album they have ever made
[01:22] <jcastro> I just can't stop listening to it
[01:22] <jono> :-)
[01:22] <jcastro> you should see this thash picture book I have
[01:22] <jcastro> it has all the old bands
[01:22] <jcastro> even overkill
[01:23] <jono> awesome
[01:23] <jcastro> is there a metal museum in SF?
[01:23] <jcastro> there should be
[01:23] <jcastro> I would go
[01:24] <jono> hah, I don't think so
[01:25] <jcastro> Count me in though, I did just blow through 2 years worth of concert budget for The Wall though
[01:25] <jcastro> I already know how much I am spending on merch too
[01:25] <jcastro> http://rogerwaters.shop.livenation.com/Product.aspx?cp=39942&pc=FXCTRWA53585
[01:25] <jcastro> tell me that is not the coolest shirt
[01:27] <jono> that is wicked
[01:31] <nigelb> Mornin
[01:33] <jono> hey nigelb
[01:35] <nigelb> Hey jono. How'd your day go? :)
[01:36] <jono> nigelb, well, actually not a particularly good day
[01:37] <jono> but hey, we have have crappy days :-)
[01:37] <jono> nigelb, hows things with you, pal?
[01:40] <nigelb> Not bad. Yesterday was "not fun". I had some medical stuff to finish.
[01:40] <nigelb> So, I spent my morning at a clinic, hungry, and waiting for a blood draw :)
[01:40] <nigelb> err, not hungry for blood :P
[01:40] <jcastro> I suppose vampire beats undead.
[01:44] <bkerensa> jono: hopefully tomorrow will be better
[01:51] <jcastro> bkerensa: congrats on winning that Amazon Card
[01:52] <jcastro> did you tell your subway buddies yet?
[01:56] <jono> bkerensa, hopefully
[01:56] <jono> bkerensa, its rare that I have a crappy day, I usually get over it
[03:07] <mhall119> 1w 41
[03:07] <cjohnston> yup
[03:32] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, that section of To Live Is To Die is amazing
[03:33] <jcastro> I KNOW RIGHT
[03:33] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bOHF9m0m8k
[04:34] <jono> mhall119, around?
[04:35] <cjohnston> jono: I think he was off for the night about an hour ago
[04:37] <jono> thanks cjohnston
[04:37] <jono> do you know if I need to do anything special in a new Quickly app to display translations once I have my po/ dir working correctly and ahve wrapped the strings in _("") ?
[04:37] <cjohnston> I'm not familiar with quickly, but that looks right from what I know
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <dpm> good morning all!
[07:35] <bkerensa> good morning
[07:35] <forestpiskie> morning
[07:40] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:42] <sense> good morning!
[08:40] <dholbach> mhall119, james_w: could you have a look over my Harvest merge proposal please? I'd appreciate it :-)    http://pad.lv/mps/harvest
[08:59] <nigelb> Morning
[10:43] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:23] <mhall119> dholbach: _length isn't being treated as a length, it's being treated as an index for the last item
[12:23] <jussi> mhall119: oh there are so many ways I could misinterpret that statement :P
[12:24] <mhall119> jussi: and none of them good
[12:24] <jussi> mhall119: exactly
[12:24] <jussi> :D
[12:24] <mhall119> dholbach: what whould happen if _start=500 and _length=5 ?
[12:24] <dholbach> mhall119, ugh, you're right
[12:25] <mhall119> maybe get _start first, setting to 0 if not defined, and then define end as start + _length
[12:26] <dholbach> yes, let me mull over it for a sec and play around with it
[12:33] <dholbach> mhall119, ok, I updated the merge proposal again - I hope it's a bit clearer now :)
[12:35] <mhall119> dholbach: looks good now
[12:35]  * dholbach hugs mhall119
[12:35] <dholbach> thanks muchly
[12:35] <dholbach> devopportunities lens here we come
[12:35] <mhall119> \o/
[12:41] <nigelb> Ws 27
[12:41] <nigelb> gah.
[12:42] <dholbach> RT filed
[12:43] <dholbach> time to walk the dog
[12:43] <dholbach> see you later :)
[13:17] <popey> I want a currency converter lens where I just type something in like "100 USD" and it throws back a load of results in various currencies (with certain ones at the top like GBP and EUR) make it so. Thanks!
[13:18] <mhall119> popey: might be better added to davidcalle's utility lens?
[13:19]  * popey googles
[14:58] <jcastro> jono: does the hangout work for you?
[14:58] <jcastro> I get "I'm sorry, you are not invited"
[14:58] <mhall119> jcastro: he has to join before we can
[14:58] <jcastro> oh ok
[14:59] <jcastro> my G+ is all whitespace now, heh
[15:00] <jono> jcastro, mhall119, dholbach, balloons, dpm hangout started
[15:00] <dpm> joining in!
[15:01] <dholbach> wow, I have this new interface now - let me see if I can find it in there
[15:01] <dholbach> nuts
[15:01] <dpm> help, I'm lost in the new UI to!
[15:01] <dpm> too
[15:01] <jono> I dont see you guys
[15:02] <jono> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/horsemen?authuser=0&hl=en&shxp=1&eid=
[15:02] <dholbach> thank god
[15:02] <balloons> lol
[15:02] <balloons> i want pancakes
[15:10] <s-fox> o/
[15:13] <bodhi_zazen> wb s-fox
[15:24] <s-fox> Thank you.
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, can you respond to my recent email ASAP
[16:01] <jono> dpm, mhall119 lets roll
[16:01] <dholbach> jono, done
[16:01] <mhall119> jono: loading everything back up now
[16:03] <dpm> jono, mhall119, ok joined and waiting in the room
[16:04] <jono> hmmm
[16:04] <jono> I am there
[16:11] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[16:50] <dholbach> mhall119, james_w: it turns out I will need a brown-paper bag release of Harvest - I just ran into an issue with the small patch earlier today
[16:50] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/harvest/979091/+merge/101606
[16:51] <dholbach> sorry about that
[16:57] <dholbach> alright, I've got to go, see you tomorrow *HUGS*
[18:12] <jono> jcastro, hey
[18:12] <jono> around?
[18:12] <jcastro> yep
[18:13] <jcastro> G+?
[18:13] <jono> jcastro, gonna call your phone
[18:13] <jcastro> ok
[18:13] <jono> cant do G+, Erica needs the bandwidth
[18:13] <jcastro> I am at the PC if you want to G+
[18:13] <jcastro> ah ok
[18:13] <jono> jcastro, will call your phone if that is OK
[18:13] <jono> there is the side benefit of I can eat something while we talk
[18:14] <jcastro> nom noms
[18:19] <jussi> I can just see it, jono munching loudly in jorges ear...
[19:28] <cjohnston> jono: you got a few minutes of free time so that I can walk you through a demo of some new features of summit that should help us out
[19:29] <cjohnston> jcastro: you too ^^
[19:32] <jono> cjohnston, can you summarize it in an email, I am pretty slammed this week
[19:32] <cjohnston> not completely, but ill try
[19:47] <jono> thanks cjohnston
[20:34] <bkerensa> jcastro: you going to get a Cobalt Qube next?


[02:12] <ThiagoCMC> Hi! I'm trying MaaS but I'm facing a lots of problems... Anyway, is this a good doc: http://people.canonical.com/~gavin/docs/lp%3Amaas/install.html ?
[02:13] <ThiagoCMC> I'll try first using Ubuntu 12.10
[02:15] <ThiagoCMC> Also, I'm reading this: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private-cloud/reference-architecture this: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/ubuntucloud.html and this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure ... plus some others...
[02:16] <ThiagoCMC> I'm finishing maas-import-pxe-files now... Is maas-import-isos still necessary under 12.10 ?
[02:18] <ThiagoCMC> I already tried MaaS more than 10 times by now... But I can't figure out how to put it to work smoothly...  :-(
[02:19] <ThiagoCMC> BTW, I'm the author of the XenLiveCD v2.0... I meant, I have a good experience with Debian, Ubuntu, Xen, KVM, etc... But, MaaS is still a bit dark for me...   =P
[02:20] <ThiagoCMC> I'll try again with Ubuntu 12.04...  maas-dhcp/maas-dns package on 12.10 do nothing... No dhcp server running after a fresh install...    :-/
[02:55] <flacoste> ThiagoCMC: the documentation is being revamped for 12.10, try http://evilnick.org/MAAS/
[02:56] <flacoste> (this will be published on maas.ubuntu.com for the release)
[02:57] <flacoste> ThiagoCMC: actually, the ~gavin links also good - it contains the latest documentation generated from trunk
[03:02] <ThiagoCMC> Thank you!!
[03:08] <ThiagoCMC> Just to make sure... Is MaaS usefull without Juju?! I mean, can I play a bit with MaaS before learn and install Juju?!
[03:09] <ThiagoCMC> Maybe something like add / install / remove nodes, manually deploy some services on this nodes, etc...?
[03:15] <ThiagoCMC> I'm seeing that the Ubuntu Installer, after accept and commission, I think, it just PXE boot and install a Ubuntu Server on the "machine / destination MAC" without asking me about node's disk partitions, user password, etc... And I an unable to login into a fresh installed node, even after it is "ready"... Is there a default user/password?! Is this the expected behavior?
[03:15] <ThiagoCMC> Sorry if I'm asking too many things at once...
[03:16] <ThiagoCMC> I really need to fully understand MaaS...
[04:27] <ThiagoCMC> Guys... MaaS installed and managing my DHCP + DNS (Ubuntu 12.10) but, the following message do not disappear: "The region controller does not know whether any boot images have been imported yet. If this message does not disappear in 5 minutes, there may be a communication problem between the region worker process and the region controller. Check the region worker's logs for signs that it was unable to report to the MAAS API."
[04:27] <ThiagoCMC> Wha can I do?!
[04:28] <ThiagoCMC> I already do this: http://evilnick.org/MAAS/
[04:28] <ThiagoCMC> did...
[04:31] <ThiagoCMC> Where is the "region worker's logs"?
[04:31] <ThiagoCMC> Is it the Apache's log?
[04:44] <jtv> ThiagoCMC: yes, sure, you can use maas without juju
[04:45] <jtv> IIRC the region worker logs would be in /var/log/celery* on your maas server.
[04:46] <jtv> The worker runs under celeryd, which is entirely separate from apache and the webapp.
[04:58] <ThiagoCMC> Okay... Tks!
[05:00] <ThiagoCMC> I saw some errors within the Apache log... Something related to /home/maas not being found, and some other errors... Just delete it and doing a new fresh install again... Now I'll use only 1 eth within MaaS server...
[05:44] <ThiagoCMC> Well, fresh installed Ubuntu 12.10 with maas dhcp+dns and, I'm seeing a error under apache error.log: 1- "[client <IP_ADDRESS>] File does not exist: /var/www/MAAS" 2- "[alert] (2)No such file or directory: mod_wsgi (pid=7694): Unable to change working directory to '/home/maas'."...
[05:45] <ThiagoCMC> Also, the message "...If this message does not disappear in 5 minutes..." don't go away... Even after ~5 minutes of "sudo maas-import-pxe-files" being executed...
[05:53] <ThiagoCMC> What can I do? Can I starting adding nodes? It will work?!  =P
[06:46] <ThiagoCMC> Is it possible to "enlist (add a node?)" into MaaS, a already-running fresh-installed Ubuntu 12.04 Server? I do not want use DHCP/DNS/PXE/AvahiBoot... I only want to install my ubuntu server, with my raid, my user/password and add it to MaaS, is it possible? If yes, how?
[06:58] <ThiagoCMC> YAY! Two nodes deployed... But I'm seeing a lots of errors... On Apache, on dns resolving...
[06:58] <ThiagoCMC> Anyway, thank you guys!
[07:00] <ThiagoCMC> I'm still seeing " If this message does not disappear in 5 minutes"... But the MaaS seems to be working now...    lol
[07:02] <ThiagoCMC> I'll try with Ubuntu 12.04 now...  12.10 is great!   ^_^
[07:06] <dimitern> rvba: hi, can you help me with this: when running make syncdb I get "initdb: Postgres-XC node name is mandatory" and "pg_ctl: database system initialization failed"
[07:09] <rvba> dimitern: Hi.  I've never seen that error before… I assume you have all the dependencies installed and you are on Quantal right?
[07:10] <dimitern> rvba: yes, but once I run make syncdb before it complained pg_ctl is missing, so I installed postgres-xc as was recommended, and now i'm getting this
[07:11] <rvba> dimitern: I don't have postgres-xc installed…
[07:11] <dimitern> rvba: hmmm... so which package do I need for pg_ctl it's trying to run?
[07:12] <rvba> dimitern: can you paste the full error?  The one that says you have a missing binary.
[07:13] <dimitern> rvba: just a sec, I'm removing postgres-xc to get the original error
[07:30] <dimitern> rvba: crap, so now it fails to install and I reverted the vm to a previous snapshot and need to do the release upgrade again, let's see if it'll work - when I get to the error I'll let you know, 10x
[07:31] <dimitern> s/to install/to uninstall
[07:31] <rvba> k
[08:16] <dimitern> rvba: hey, so I have some progress. After a fresh upgrade to quantal, make install-dependencies, make syncdb, I get this error: ImportError: No module named postgresfixture.main
[08:17] <rvba> dimitern: the postgresfixture should have been downloaded from pypi.
[08:18] <rvba> dimitern: did you configure a buildout cache in ~/.buildout ?
[08:18] <dimitern> whoops no, that's what I missed, I'll do it now
[08:19] <rvba> dimitern: even if you did not do that, it should have worked, but you will have to re-download eggs from pypi each time you create a new branch in a new directory.
[08:20] <rvba> dimitern: you need to create that conf file http://paste.ubuntu.com/1282675/, plus the 3 directory mentioned in there.
[08:21] <dimitern> rvba: ok, I did that and running syncdb fails, so I did make clean
[08:22] <rvba> dimitern: is ~/.buildout/eggs/ populated?
[08:22] <rvba> dimitern: does it contain postgresfixture-0.1.2-py2.7.egg ?
[08:23] <dimitern> rvba: it's populated, but it's still installing so no postgres yet
[08:23] <dimitern> (i did make again after make clean)
[08:25] <allenap> dimitern: Are you trying to develop maas, or do you just want to run it?
[08:26] <dimitern> allenap: well, develop, if I can make it running :)
[08:27] <allenap> dimitern: Cool, right. Someone just whispered in my ear that you're the new on the Blue Squad. Welcome :)
[08:27] <dimitern> allenap: yeah, 10q :)
[08:27] <jam> allenap: I think you missed him yesterday, dimitern is the new guy on Blue squad.
[08:28] <jam> hi dimitern, sorry I missed you around earlier. I think mgz ran into the same thing you are seeing, with pg_ctl conflicting with the postgres package itself.
[08:28] <allenap> jam: How did I manage that I wonder?
[08:28] <jam> I think he said 'apt-get update' fixed it, but I don't quite remember.
[08:28] <dimitern> well, initially i started dist upgrade from ssh and i think that screwed up the thing at some point, so i restored from a clean snapshot and now seems working better
[08:55] <rbasak> Daviey: do we need any MAAS release notes? I don't see any in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuServer but I'd like to have one for bug 1064291 for ARM juju/MAAS users
[08:56] <dimitern> rvba: so now, running syncdb gets me this:
[08:56] <dimitern> FATAL:  could not open file "pg_xlog/000000010000000000000001" (log file 0, segment 1): No such file or directory
[08:56] <dimitern> child process exited with exit code 1
[08:56] <dimitern> initdb: removing contents of data directory "/home/maas/work/maas/db"
[08:56] <dimitern> pg_ctl: database system initialization failed
[08:58] <rvba> Hum… I think I need to summon our pg expert here… jtv ^ any idea on what might be going on?
[08:58] <jtv> Huh?
[08:59] <jtv> Hmmm
[08:59] <jtv> Sounds as if it might be an inconsistent database backup.
[09:00] <dimitern> i did apt-get update/upgrade just in case - the same error
[09:00] <dimitern> jtv: ok, so any clue how i might fix it?
[09:00] <jtv> I haven't read the full backscroll... this is in the db directory in your branch?
[09:00] <dimitern> i did make syncdb in the main maas dir
[09:01] <jtv> If there's nothing valuable in that database, you can always "make distclean ; rm -rf db"
[09:01] <jtv> And then start again with your database.
[09:01] <jtv> The postgres-XC bit is surprising to me as well.
[09:02] <jtv> Is this a system that was upgraded from an older ubuntu?  Or a fresh Quantal install?
[09:02] <dimitern> i did rm -fr db, and run syncdb again - same error
[09:02] <dimitern> it's an upgrade from P
[09:03] <jtv> So... upgrade from postgres 9.1 to postgres 9.1 I guess.
[09:03] <jtv> Maybe ls /etc/postgresql/ just to be sure?
[09:03] <dimitern> it's 9.1
[09:04] <jtv> I hope we didn't get any unexpected config changes in the package.
[09:04] <jtv> And you did "make install-dependencies," right?
[09:05] <dimitern> yes
[09:05] <dimitern> I'm did install --reinstall postgresql-9.1 now
[09:05] <dimitern> make syncdb - same error
[09:05] <jtv> weirdweirdweird
[09:06] <jam> mgz: didn't you run into postgres-XC issues?
[09:06] <jtv> He doesn't have postgres-XC installed, AIUI
[09:07] <jtv> But yes, there was an error about it.
[09:07] <jam> dimitern: just as a sanity check, make sure you have enough disk space, and double check what your directory permissions are.
[09:07] <jam> I expect those are fine, but it has tripped me up before.
[09:07] <dimitern> no, I had -xc installed yesterday, after upgrading to 12.10 and running make complained missing pg_ctl, running it, command-not-found recommended postgres-xc, so i installed it
[09:08] <jam> ah
[09:08] <dimitern> but today i did a fresh upgrade from a snapshot and now pg_ctl is there, after install-deps
[09:08] <jtv> It should be there anyway, just not necessarily in your PATH.
[09:08] <dimitern> not much info on that pg_xlog error
[09:09] <jtv> The _usual_ cause for that error is sysadmins thinking "oh, it's only a log so I can delete it"
[09:09] <jtv> But somehow I don't think that's the case here.  :)
[09:10] <mgz> jam: it's a misleading error
[09:10] <mgz> the actual issue was the database was unhappy
[09:11] <jtv> I wonder if any replication code is still running... did you purge postgres-xc?
[09:11] <jtv> As in apt-get remove --purge?
[09:11] <dimitern> actually, postgres-xc failed to stop and uninstall
[09:11] <dimitern> that's why i reverted to a snapshot
[09:12] <dimitern> the coordinator hangs while stopping
[09:12] <mgz> so, postgres was running okay, but the test, and running make syncdb etc failed trying to run pg_ctl, without a clear reason
[09:12] <dimitern> yes, i did it with --purge
[09:12] <jtv> argh.
[09:13] <mgz> and if you just run pg_ctl as is, you're helpfully told to install the postgres-xc, which is not actually what you want, the command just needs to be run as the right user
[09:13] <jtv> If possible, I'd purge postgres/postgresql-9.1 as well.
[09:14] <jtv> And the command is hidden away somewhere in /usr/lib -- it's not going to be in your PATH.
[09:14] <dimitern> ok, but doesn't install --reinstall do just that?
[09:14] <jtv> You shouldn't normally need to run it yourself.
[09:14] <jtv> I'm not sure exactly what --reinstall does, or how carefully it checks for errors.  It sounds as if you're in a state you're not supposed to be in, so things will get confused.
[09:14] <mgz> right, you don't want to, apart from the test fails with "command returned 1" or something, rather than any indication of the actual problem
[09:15] <mgz> so, trying to run the same thing to see what the *actual* problem was seemed reasonable
[09:15] <mgz> but anyway, right response is to ignore all feedback, and just wipe and start again :D
[09:15] <dimitern> so I did --purge, then install postgresql-9.1, make syncdb - same error :(
[09:16] <mgz> dimitern: and you said you did rm -rf db in the maas tree to?
[09:17] <dimitern> mgz: yes
[09:17] <mgz> dimitern: another option, if you want to divert via setting up canonistack credentials, would be to use my script which gives you maas on an instance in canonical's cloud
[09:17] <dimitern> mgz: but anyway db/ is empty
[09:18] <jtv> Best remove it altogether so that our db setup script won't think it has something to work with.
[09:18] <dimitern> mgz: does it give maas me from trunk?
[09:19] <mgz> yes, it's a mini dev environment thing
[09:20] <dimitern> so, in /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main/pg_xlog/ there is the 0000..... file, i suspect the permissions are the problem
[09:21] <jtv> No, that file will be for the default postgres cluster.
[09:21] <jtv> You get your own private little cluster in the branch.
[09:21] <jam> dimitern: I thought 'make syncdb' was supposed to only install locally in $PWD/db/
[09:21] <jtv> What jam said.
[09:21] <jtv> It also means that permissions are never an issue: you are sole owner and master of your in-branch cluster.
[09:21] <jtv> You are root, you are admin, you are God.
[09:22] <dimitern> jtv: ok, but is it supposed to create a structure in db/, similar to the one in /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main ?
[09:22] <jam> dimitern: db/
[09:23] <jam> 'make syncdb' should not touch /var/lib
[09:23] <jtv> dimitern: yes, it creates its own local version of what you see in /var/lib/...
[09:23] <jtv> With its own logs and everything.
[09:23] <dimitern> :) ok, so I mkdir db/pg_xlog and now it fails with a different error: initdb: directory "/home/maas/work/maas/db" exists but is not empty
[09:24] <mgz> that sounds hopeful
[09:24] <jtv> You should not need to create pg_xlog.
[09:24] <jtv> And the db directory should be either functional, or not there at all.
[09:27] <dimitern> well, I probably have a rather unusual setup - I have a vbox shared folder (for some reason mounted automatically in /media/sf_work), and then I did a mount --bind /media/sf_work /home/maas/work
[09:27] <dimitern> and the permissions seem more and more to be the problem
[09:27] <jtv> Oh, your branch is on a "weird" filesystem?
[09:28] <dimitern> :)
[09:28] <dimitern> something like it
[09:28] <jtv> As far as the database is concerned, as long as you are consistently running as the owner of that home directory, there should be no permissions problem.
[09:28] <jtv> But running a database out of a weird filesystem is a problem.
[09:28] <jtv> You get things like locks not working properly.
[09:28] <dimitern> ok i'll change this so it'll work on a local fs
[09:29] <mgz> you mean weird like nfs? or weird like fat? :)
[09:29] <jtv> Either is icky.
[09:29] <dimitern> vbox shared folders is rather icky
[09:30] <jtv> Don't do that then.  You may be able to link the db directory to something local, so that the rest of your branch is still remote-mounted but the database state is only on the machine that you're running on.
[09:31] <dimitern> jtv: how do I do that inside a bound mounted dir?
[09:32] <jtv> You create a softlink to somewhere on your local filesystem.  But I don't know off the top of my head whether that directory already existing, or being a softlink, might confuse our setup script.
[09:33] <jtv> I'd try this the simple way first.
[09:33] <jtv> We can worry about making it cool later.
[09:34] <dimitern> I moved the whole repo locally, keeping the paths and removed the vbox sf, will see it'll work that way
[09:34] <jtv> Exactly.  Walk before you run.
[09:35] <dimitern> whooha! it worked :) 10x guys
[09:35] <jtv> \o/
[09:49] <dimitern> i should probably add bin/ and scripts/ to PATH, right? assuming a normal installation these should be available
[09:50] <dimitern> but after doing that, maas-import-pxe-files tries to access /var/lib/maas and fails
[09:50] <mgz> I just sit in the tree and use bin/whatever
[09:51] <dimitern> yeah, but if I do that, some scripts fail, since they expect (i.e. maas-provision) to be available globally
[09:52] <dimitern> ./scripts/maas-import-pxe-files: line 148: maas-provision: command not found
[09:52] <mgz> see the 'Development MAAS server setup' section in HACKING
[09:52] <mgz> you need maas-provision installed
[09:54] <dimitern> so from the repo, not the one in trunk? because I have bin/maas-provision
[09:54] <dimitern> E: Package 'maas-provision' has no installation candidate
[09:55] <allenap> dimitern: Those scripts are exceptional, in that they ought to die before 13.04 (where die means burnt, ashes scattered to the winds) and replaced with something tested. tl;dr Don't draw too many conclusions from their behaviour.
[09:56] <allenap> mgz: maas-provision is no longer generated iirc; it was the old Cobbler package.
[09:57] <mgz> allenap: it's in hacking, and what I did to get the images I think, though probably on precise
[10:01] <dimitern> allenap: ok, I have the webapp running on 5240, but it complains ths images are missing - how do i get them without running that import script?
[10:02] <allenap> dimitern: Don't worry about them unless you're doing something that involves them; you can safely ignore them for now.
[10:03] <dimitern> ok, 10x
[10:04] <allenap> mgz: How odd. I'm not sure how that instruction got in there, but we should remove it.
[10:22] <rvba> Any reviewer in the house? https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/bug-1066938-rndc2/+merge/129841
[10:25] <allenap> rvba: Sure.
[10:26] <rvba> allenap: ta
[10:27] <allenap> rvba: How do you test packaging branch changes? lxc-start-ephemeral appears to be completely broken in Quantal, so my scripts no longer work.
[10:28] <rvba> allenap: I create a package and then I test it on a canonistack instance.
[10:33] <allenap> rvba: How do you create the package?
[10:34] <allenap> rvba: The default controls stanza. What silently adds it? Does named see that there's not control statement and add it internally, or is it something the init scripts do?
[10:34] <rvba> allenap: you first have to change 2 things in the packaging branch to point to the right branch/revision
[10:34] <rvba> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1282812/
[10:35] <rvba> allenap: then bzr bd --<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:35] <rvba> allenap: no, named does that without telling anyone apparently.
[10:36] <rvba> allenap: bzr bd -S --<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you just want to build the source package.  To upload it to a ppa for instance.
[10:36] <jtv> And for the sake of everything you love, do not insert a space between the -k and the email address.
[10:36] <rvba> :)
[10:36] <allenap> Cool, thanks both of you. And FFS to the world.
[10:37] <rvba> allenap: forgot something, if you create the source package to upload to a ppa, you also need to s/UNRELEASED/quantal/ in debian/changelog.
[10:37] <rvba> As in 'maas (0.1+bzr1277+dfsg-0ubuntu2) UNRELEASED; urgency=low' -> 'maas (0.1+bzr1277+dfsg-0ubuntu2) quantal; urgency=low'
[10:38]  * allenap high-fives bureaucracy in software
[10:38] <jtv> Red tape binds the universe together.
[10:38] <allenap> I am feeling very cynical today.
[10:38] <jtv> Didn't know you had it in you.
[10:38] <allenap> Hah :)
[10:38] <mgz> this all makes sense in the context of debian, but I inevitably forget at least one of the packaging steps :)
[10:39] <mgz> generally changelog related...
[11:37] <jtv> allenap: you are aware that you have a long-approved MP apparently waiting for you to land it?
[12:01] <jam> rvba: I'm getting "access_refused to vhost '/maas_workers' for user 'maas_workers'" after trying to get rabbit back up and running after the IP change.
[12:02] <jam> Is there something obvious I'm missing?
[12:02] <jam> dpkg-reconfigure does redo the maas_workers password, but it doesn't seem to add it to the vhost?
[12:03] <jam> allenap: ^^ if you have an idea
[12:04] <allenap> jtv: Yes, but I haven't figured out how to test it yet, wrt jam's comment. I'm actually procrastinating in the hope that Django will be recalled worldwide and fired into the sun, thus avoiding the need to test it.
[12:05] <jtv> allenap: chances are slim.  Think of the pollution it might cause in the sun.
[12:05] <allenap> jam: No idea I'm afraid :-/ My RabbitMQ knowledge is minimal.
[12:05] <jam> allenap: well, another check sasy "rabbitmqctl list_vhosts" doesn't show a maas_workers vhost
[12:16] <allenap> jam: I don't know, sorry. roaksoax, can you help jam with this packaging problem?
[12:28] <jam> allenap: so I think I sorted it out, it looks like 'dpkg-reconfigure' sees that there is already a 'mass_worker' and changes its password, but doesn't notice that there isn't a /maas_workers vhost, so it doesn't create it and set the permissions.
[12:28] <jam> (it uses the 'is there a user' and assumes that if the user exists, then the vhost exists).
[12:28] <jam> And I think the bug is that if your hostname changes, rabbit changes its working directory.
[12:29] <jam> which apparently means it keeps the same users, but not vhosts...
[12:29] <jam> not sure
[12:29] <jam> rvba: ^^
[12:29] <allenap> We get rid of Cobbler, and end up with Django and RabbitMQ instead. Groan.
[12:32] <rvba> jam: that's a packaging bug I was discussing with roaksoax yesterday evening actually.  He wanted me to test something for him and I just noticed that problem (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1282969/).
[12:33] <jam> rvba: right, it just needs to decouple the 'is there a vhost' from 'is there a user'.
[12:33] <rvba> Yep.
[12:33] <rvba> jam: can you please file a bug so that we don't loose track of this.
[12:33] <jam> though I don't know what permissions happen if you have a user but not a vhost, or a vhost but not the user.
[12:33] <jam> rvba: is there a tag for packaging issues?
[12:33] <rvba> roaksoax is currently refactoring that code.
[12:33] <jam> and what ist he 'packaging' branch specifically?
[12:33] <jam> the
[12:34] <rvba> jam: just assign the bug to the package in ubuntu.
[12:37] <jam> rvba: bug #1067332
[12:38] <rvba> roaksoax: could you please have a look at the bug jam just filed? (1067332)
[12:38] <rvba> jam: ta
[12:40] <jam> rvba: bug #1067336  is that something already known that I should be duping against?
[12:40] <jam> Essentially, I see a stale lock file in /run/locks
[12:41] <jam> if startup crashes (say because rabbitmq is refusing connections :)
[12:43] <rvba> jam: there is a 'finally: lock.release()' in the startup code… so I'm surprised that the lock file does not get cleaned up.
[12:43] <jam> rvba: well, it happens somehow.
[12:45] <jam> rvba: maybe something is stuck in a loop in inner_start_up.
[12:45] <jam> I do see your point about the f inally.
[12:51] <rvba> jam: the start_up method fires off tasks… maybe it's stuck in there because rabbitMQ cannot be reached.
[12:51] <jam> rvba: yeah it is possible it is actually stuck during startup. I'm guessing we are also in one of those 'we aren't connected to a logger yet' issues.
[14:31] <rvba> allenap: jtv: bzr1280 is currently building in my ppa (ppa:rvb/maas), in case you guys want to test the latest package.
[14:48] <roaksoax> allenap: please add a debian/changelog entry for your change to the packaging branch
[14:48] <allenap> roaksoax: Okay.
[14:49] <roaksoax> allenap: refer to the bug too
[14:56] <allenap> roaksoax: I don't really know what I'm doing with the changelog. Does http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283217/ look reasonable?
[14:57] <allenap> roaksoax: Or should I just edit the 0ubuntu2 stanza?
[14:57] <roaksoax> allenap: no that was released yesterday
[14:57] <allenap> Okay.
[14:57] <roaksoax> hold on
[14:58]  * allenap holds
[14:58] <roaksoax> allenap: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283222/
[14:59] <allenap> roaksoax: Ah ha, okay cool. Thanks.
[17:11] <guimaluf> Anyone know why am I getting Internal Server Error with the following thing: ImproperlyConfigured: Middleware module "django.middleware.csrf" does not define a "CsrfResponseMiddleware" class
[17:12] <guimaluf> Anyone know why am I getting Internal Server Error with the following thing: ImproperlyConfigured: Middleware module "django.middleware.csrf" does not define a "CsrfResponseMiddleware" class ?


[08:51] <mvo> pitti: good morning! if you are around, could you please binary-NEW vmware-view-client in the canonical partner archive? and also source NEW it for lucid, mav, natty please?
[08:52] <pitti> ah, no daily archive admin around?
[08:52] <mvo> pitti: its slangasek today, but given his timezone I assume he is sleeping
[08:53] <pitti> ok, I guess it's urgent; let me just start that abiword build again, then I'll have a look (this sounds like an hour long job)
[08:53] <mvo> pitti: sorry for the interrupt, the vmware people want to a press release soon
[08:53] <pitti> (well, not really an hour I hope)
[08:53] <mvo> pitti: well, vmware is in the US tz too, but it would be good if we had a little head-start :) I really hope its just a "click-accept" and not a hour long job)
[08:54] <pitti> mvo: I have never done a partner archive review, do you know if there's some documentation what to check?
[08:54] <pitti> I can only assume that the redistributability etc. is already settled
[08:54] <mvo> pitti: I don't - since brian left it kind of felt into my hands, but this is my fist publication since 2008
[08:56] <mvo> pitti: infinity discussed that with Randy on friday too, the current license in the package is very strict but randy assured us that we have the proper contracts in place of course for the redistribution
[09:00] <mvo> I wonder who was doing the reviews for the other uploads in partner before, do we have a log of that?
[09:00] <pitti> no idea :(
[09:00] <pitti> no, the LP operations are not logged to the person level
[09:01] <pitti> in fact, I don't think that NEW processing etc. is logged at all
[09:05] <pitti> mvo: hm, there's a "jonas-full" sitting in oneiric's source NEW since october 20; I wonder if there's anyone who is responsible for those at all :)
[09:06] <mvo> pitti: heh :) I guess hte one who was left
[09:07] <mvo> pitti: I will enquire about it
[09:08] <pitti> mvo: is there a vmware-view-pcoip package? because vmware-view-client ships ./usr/share/doc/vmware-view-pcoip/README.gz
[09:08] <pitti> that's unusual and a potential file conflict
[09:08] <pitti> ./usr/lib/libpcoip_client.so
[09:08] <pitti> ./usr/lib/libpcoip_crypto.so
[09:09]  * pitti sighs at proprietary software packaging which ignores all best practices of library handling..
[09:09] <pitti> mvo: ^ I guess there's little point for me to complain about these libs?
[09:10]  * pitti pretends he never ran lintian on this
[09:11] <mvo> pitti: they are unstripped as well
[09:11] <mvo> pitti: there used to be a vmware-view-pcoip from the same source pakcage during the testing, but vmware decided in the end to have just one unified package
[09:11] <pitti> mvo: yes, but that worries me less; the apparently private library in a public path and weird /doc/ path do
[09:12] <pitti> mvo: ah, do we need a Replaces: there?
[09:12] <pitti> or just drop that extra doc file?
[09:12] <mvo> pitti: I will raise it as a concern with their people
[09:12] <mvo> pitti: just drop the extra file, I will do that in my bzr tree
[09:12] <mvo> pitti: it was never released into tthe public with the additional binary pkg
[09:13] <pitti> would be a bit sad if the first testers would get an install failure because of that right after the press release :)
[09:13] <pitti> mvo: ah, ok; as long as the internal testers of that are okay with that
[09:13] <mvo> yeah, indeed
[09:13] <pitti> mvo: if you want to reupload, perhaps also do a c/r? who knows which other files were formerly in that other package
[09:14] <pitti> mvo: if you think it's ok to ignore, just say the word, BTW
[09:16] <mvo> pitti: I think its ok to ignore, it was never anywhere publically, its also part of the upstream tarball, not done by the packaging
[09:17] <mvo> all testing happend in a private ppa with two people, so the risk is really low
[09:17] <pitti> ah, ok
[09:18] <pitti> oneiric bin-accepted then, reviewing natty ATM
[09:18] <mvo> thanks!
[09:19] <pitti> Files: *
[09:19] <pitti> Copyright: 2011 VMware, Inc.
[09:19] <pitti> License: LGPL-2.1
[09:19] <pitti> mvo: hmm -- is that an error?
[09:19] <pitti> sorry
[09:19] <pitti> this is an error
[09:19] <pitti> either it's meant to be LGPL, then the source is missing; or it can't be LGPL
[09:22] <pitti> mvo: also, copyright talks about including curl, parts of freebsd, icu and what not, none of which have source in the package
[09:24] <pitti> mvo: the rest looks ok, but it needs to be rejected for the wrong copyright
[09:24] <mvo> pitti: ok, so I will put "proprietary" in there and reupload?
[09:24] <pitti> mvo: I suppose oneiric has the same problem? can we reupload that as well?
[09:25] <mvo> yes
[09:25] <pitti> mvo: I don't know; right now we couldn't distribute it at all
[09:25] <mvo> if I have to reupload anyway, I will fix it for them all
[09:25] <pitti> because there is no license document from upstream anywhere
[09:25] <pitti> that's where the "special handling for partner" comes into play which I'm not familiar with
[09:25] <mvo> pitti: right  - infinity raised this as well, I'm happy to hold for now until Randy is up and we can discuss
[09:25] <pitti> but the principle that licenses are restrictive applies to any license, not just the free one
[09:26] <pitti> mvo: ok, I'll reject the others for now
[09:28] <mvo> thanks
[09:30] <mvo> re-uploaded to oneiric, doing the rest now too
[09:34] <pitti> mvo: do you know if it would be possible to add our contract with VMWare to the package? right now nobody knows which rights he has with this software, so legally you aren't even allowed to download it, let alone use it
[09:36] <mvo> pitti: I don't know, I think we need to discuss this with Randy, I think infinity discussed that friday too but it was late and I had to leave ( 23:00ish) so I don't know the outcome of the discussion
[10:09] <doko> so both python-central and python-support demoted over the weekend, please don't re-promote ;)
[10:11] <pitti> doko: over our dead bodies! :)
[10:11] <pitti> doko: congrats for this!
[10:12]  * mvo hugs doko
[16:43] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/transitions/index.html
[16:43] <Laney> :-)
[16:46] <cjwatson> nice
[16:47] <Laney> should be able to deploy it
[16:48] <Laney> couldn't make it one-step running due to the archive/ports separation sadly, so we still need the separate download step
[16:48] <Laney> otherwise running is just ./ben.native tracker -g ../configs/global.conf -cd ../configs/monitor
[16:49] <Laney> you can set various directories in a config file if you want too (see ries:/srv/release.debian.org/www/transitions/global.conf)
[17:19] <mvo> pitti: is there anything I can do to help with the vmware-view-client impass we currently have (binary-new in oneiric partner) before I leave for the evening? I mailed Randy but got no feedback yet
[20:55] <slangasek> pitti: aside from the license question, are you happy with the vmware packages to be accepted?
[20:59] <slangasek> mvo, pitti: fwiw, most partner reviews were being handled by kirkland - which doesn't help much now either ;)
[21:00]  * kirkland waves :-)
[22:20] <mvo> SpamapS, pitti: the verification for bug #905413 is done now, could this package please be moved to oneiric-updates?
[22:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 905413 in app-install-data-partner (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 3 other projects) "SRU for vmware-view (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/905413
[22:20] <mvo> (the aging request is waived for app-install-data-partner)
[23:27] <bdmurray> slangasek: notionally what do you think of updating http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/alpha-1/ with a pointer to the latest daily build?
[23:28] <bdmurray> Because Alpha 2 is still so far away and there were / are some installer bugs
[23:28] <slangasek> bdmurray: perhaps a generic message on all alpha pages that says "for the most recent daily image, click here"?
[23:28] <slangasek> or something to that effect?
[23:29] <bdmurray> slangasek: yes exactly, because people are primarily trying to install from alpha 1
[23:29] <bdmurray> I mean the bug reports we are receiving now are primarily from alpha 1
[23:30] <slangasek> bdmurray: yeah, I think that seems sensible.  Bug report on ubuntu-cdimage?
[23:37] <bdmurray> bug 906633
[23:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 906633 in ubuntu-cdimage "alpha pages should contain a link to the latest daily image (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/906633