[04:18] <guiverc> I noted https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-May/000280.html earlier today; I'm willing to post version to fridge; worth it?
[04:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Me thinks so - I have already added to Gdoc.
[04:24] <guiverc> :)   We post ~less than half of non-LTS EOL warning messages; assumption being non-LTS users hopefully know they need to *release-upgrade*..
[04:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Many times in support we must remind the user to upgrade :(
[04:30] <guiverc> no joke... responded to one today using a 'fresh 16.04' install...
[04:30] <guiverc> users are idiots....   I know, I am one :)
[04:32] <Bashing-om> guiverc: so .. a stitch in time saves nine (stitches) :P
[04:39] <guiverc> Ubuntu 21.10 EOL notice posted - https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/06/01/ubuntu-21-10-impish-indri-reaches-end-of-life-on-july-14-2022/
[04:40] <guiverc> (for 16.04/xenial; the warning was all we posted as ML EOSS/EOL notice was never sent..  the blogged an ESM push at ubuntu.com instead)
[04:43] <guiverc> I'm not sure it's worth posting to twitter/fb; any thoughts Bashing-om   (I think I like fridge as it's a link I can post to others in support etc)
[04:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Well - the more people that heed the warning - the less in support we have to do :D
[04:46] <guiverc> ack & yes you're right...
[04:52] <guiverc> tweeted 21.10 warning notice..
[04:53] <guiverc> fyi:  it was marked only planet + news on fridge as only warning of EOL (ie. news)
[04:57] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ note that as "bookmark".
[05:00] <guiverc> my usual is the ML notice appearing in my inbox..  (hey, it's 99% of the post; what I copy & paste into mousepad to tweak)   there are some other tags used for release/EOL notices which it wasn't
[05:02] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri) reaches End of Life on July 14 2022 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/06/01/ubuntu-21-10-impish-indri-reaches-end-of-life-on-july-14-2022/
[05:03] <guiverc> can't currently login to fb, my phone is dead (battery needs charge) so I can't 2fa...   it alerted me to phone battery needing charge though
[05:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: No urgency to post to FB.
[05:05]  * guiverc never sees urgency & fb as related anyway
[06:11] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri) reaches End of Life on July 14 2022 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/06/01/ubuntu-21-10-impish-indri-reaches-end-of-life-on-july-14-2022/ (by guiverc)
[17:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::UbuntuOnAir:: Ubuntu Desktop Team Indaba - June 24, 2022 @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc4hLjwnwU0 (by Ubuntu OnAir)


[12:01] <maxolasersquad> Happy Ubuntu Release Day!
[12:02] <maxolasersquad> 6 hours to release.
[12:31] <bogmc> yes!
[13:19] <dantalizing> morning
[13:27] <mhall119> morning
[13:27] <mhall119> happy release day everyone, Oneiric is officially out!
[13:31] <maxolasersquad> Then thefinalcountdown is full of dirty lies.
[13:37] <mhall119> and dirty 80s one-hit-wonders
[13:38] <dantalizing> mmm... dirty 80s
[13:46] <DammitJim> happy release date!!!!
[14:08] <DammitJim> why is oneric ocelot not LTS?
[14:08] <DammitJim> oneiric
[14:08] <mhall119> DammitJim: because LTS's come very 2 years
[14:08] <mhall119> 12.04 will be an LTS
[14:09] <DammitJim> are a lot of people then waiting for 12.04?
[14:09] <DammitJim> I guess you can always upgrade, right?
[14:09] <mhall119> yeah, you can upgrade to whatever you want
[14:09] <mhall119> probably businesses will wait for 12.04, and most people using it on a server
[14:10] <zoopster> oh crap...now I'm 2 releases behind on my server, ugh
[14:10] <mhall119> zoopster: yeah, mine is 10.10 too
[14:10] <DammitJim> if it's running fine, don't upgrade ;)
[14:11] <zoopster> heh...but then I don't get to play with the new cool stuff
[14:11] <zoopster> actually I'm starting to move my websites to S3
[14:12] <zoopster> just don't like not being about to assign root domain names to them :(
[14:12] <DammitJim> I hear ya
[14:12] <DammitJim> VM for the new cool stuff
[14:13] <zoopster> actually I "should" do the opposite...keep the host upgraded and keep my prod stuff on a vm
[14:13] <DammitJim> lol... it should all be a vm cluster :0
[14:21] <dantalizing> wonder if there is a juju charm for "upgrade"
[14:24] <mhall119> dantalizing: I think that's more of a puppet/landscape thing
[14:39] <dantalizing> its still service management
[14:52] <mhall119> juju is more deployment management I think
[15:19] <dantalizing> i'm not sure what the stated design goals are, but there is more in there than just puppet/chef/whatever for the cloud.  i dont see specific upgrade charms, but i dont see why it couldnt be done .. tricky but doable
[15:55] <zoopster> dantalizing: you and I both know that you don't upgrade cloud/vm based images
[15:55] <zoopster> rip and replace!
[15:55] <zoopster> and use juju to redeploy
[16:10] <akgraner> zoopster, everytime I see/hear juju I think of sammy hagar :-)
[16:11] <zoopster> heh...yea, but that's bad juju!
[16:11] <akgraner> and charms well I think lucky charms cereal :-/
[16:12] <akgraner> this out to be fun interviewing developers at UDS about this - I think I can get through it without giggling just a little
[16:12] <akgraner> s/out/ought
[16:52] <mhall119> akgraner: it makes me think of juju bees
[16:52] <mhall119> jujubes, however it's spelled
[16:53] <mhall119> but now that you mention it, I feel compelled to write a webapp and call it lucky, just so I can make a charm for it
[16:54] <akgraner> hehe :-)
[16:57] <akgraner> too funny
[17:43] <dantalizing> is it bad that 2 minutes ago was the first time that i saw the online tour?  how long has that been there?
[17:52] <mhall119> dantalizing: hours
[17:57] <dantalizing> me likey
[17:58] <mhall119> it is very nice, isn't it?
[17:58] <mhall119> I hear sending email works too
[17:59]  * mhall119 hasn't tried that yet
[18:16] <dantalizing> I <3 me some rackspace
[18:27] <itnet7> mhall119: we'll have to get jujubees to give away during the horro show ;-)
[18:30] <mhall119> that's be fun
[18:30] <itnet7> s/horro/horror/
[18:30] <itnet7> People around here at work are genuinely excited about the new release
[18:30] <itnet7> That Rocks!
[18:32] <itnet7> I'm about to my first clean install, on my other other work laptop
[18:33] <itnet7> They issued us laptops when they took over our departments with what the deamed as the latest greatest OS
[18:33] <itnet7> I haven't even powered it on fully
[18:33] <itnet7> from 2 years ago, 3 in february ;-P
[18:34] <dantalizing> really?  they installed ubuntu on them and you didnt use it?
[18:34] <dantalizing> ;)
[18:34] <raubvogel> itnet7: I worked at a place where the new laptop would go to the boss, then to his kids, and then to IT
[18:35] <itnet7> raubvogel: that tends to happen here on the other side. I can't really get my hands on any new hardware to "test" due to them insourcing us
[18:35] <itnet7> dantalizing: I wish ;-)
[18:36] <itnet7> I just can't believe they said vi$ta and best os in the same sentence......
[18:36] <raubvogel> itnet7: Fun
[18:36] <itnet7> I should have know then what I was in store for!
[18:36] <raubvogel> Now they ought to be saying Windows8
[18:37] <itnet7> There are already buzzwords about Mango Development
[18:37] <itnet7> *pffftt*
[18:37] <raubvogel> Now, they should only have *one* machine with the Microsoft SDK
[18:38] <dantalizing> every time i hear 'mango' i think of the line 'juicy juicy mangos' from bend it like beckham
[18:38] <raubvogel> then let people rdp into it
[18:38] <raubvogel> to the very same screen
[18:38] <raubvogel> and work on different projects
[18:38] <raubvogel> How's that for bad?
[18:41] <itnet7> I wanted to try that chrome rdp client
[18:41] <itnet7> but haven't had a chance... @ dantalizing, I know, right?
[18:42] <itnet7> It makes me think of the SNL skit too with John Lequiziamo (sp?)
[19:03] <itnet7> Well, I guess it's not really rdp, it's more like teamview
[19:07] <maxolasersquad> An HTML5 RDP client would be badass, but you'd need a websockets server somewhere that can access both the RDP server.
[19:09] <maxolasersquad> Is anyone else annoyed about the choppy scrolling in the new Gwibber?
[19:10] <itnet7> That's one app I haven't been using in quite sometime, I will check it tonight
[21:47] <govatent> happy release day everyone
[21:48] <akgraner> mhall119, what's the irc channel for the ubuntu website folks
[21:48] <akgraner> is it ubuntu-website or something else - I can't remember atm
[22:31] <mhall119> akgraner: #ubuntu-website
[22:38] <akgraner> thanks!
[23:03] <govatent> i like all the changes made in unity. i only wish i had a slightly nicer gpu.
[23:19] <mhall119> govatent: Unity 2d works really well without 3d acceleration
[23:20] <govatent> how can i switch to it?
[23:20] <mhall119> govatent: at the login screen, click the gear icon by your name
[23:20] <govatent> cause i do have 3d acceleration. it just is sluggish cause of my laptop's amazingly underpowered card.
[23:21] <govatent> ok brb. going to switch to 2d
[23:22] <govatent> wow.
[23:22] <govatent> i am not going to lie. 2d feels really really smooth/fast on my laptop.
[23:22] <govatent> thanks mhall119 . that was a great tip.
[23:22] <mhall119> np
[23:23] <mhall119> they did a really good job with it, and made it so close to the 3d version
[23:23] <govatent> what extra fancies does the 3d have.
[23:24] <mhall119> I'm not really sure
[23:24] <govatent> not that i plan on going back to 3d on my laptop. it really made a huge difference that one change. i am glad the community thought of the older computers.
[23:24] <mhall119> 3d is build on Compiz
[23:24] <mhall119> 2d is built in QT
[23:24] <mhall119> that's the only difference i know
[23:26] <govatent> this new release made me love ubuntu again. every release i fall in love again and remember why i use ubuntu.
[23:27] <govatent> btw funny story, the other day while at school i get a call from my mom saying the internet went out. i could not remote into my system at all so i was not able to look into it till i got home later that night. when i did get home, i found out comcast for some reason decided their backend would lose my modems mac reg in their system. they have no trace of my modem ever being in the system.
[23:29] <mhall119> nice
[23:30] <govatent> i should call and get a day worth of credit
[23:30] <govatent> cause my mom could not use our vonage service cause of their mistake. not that i am angry about it or anything.


[00:27] <Jazzva> Well, the package is fine now... Image zoom is compatible with FF3, but there seems to be bug in it. When it's installed then on right-click on an image it displaces the context menu a bit to the left and up. I would like if someone could check this tool: http://jzv.ath.cx/mozilla-imagezoom.deb ... Thanks
[00:28] <Jazzva> asac, I don't think it's really a big bug, so I think this could be uploaded... What do you think?
[00:29] <fta> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=741222
[00:41] <asac> fta: no idea :)
[00:43] <asac> Jazzva: is that a regression over ffox 2?
[00:43] <asac> doesn't look too bad
[00:45] <asac> Jazzva: i think i'd be fine to have
[00:45] <Jazzva> dunno... I haven't tested it with FF2. I'd need to install it first, so I'll test it tomorrow, 'cause I'm going to sleep asap... Anyone with FF2 who could test it now :)? Anyway, I'll create the branches now, and we can file a bugreport later, upstream I suppose...
[00:46] <asac> yes
[00:46] <asac> or fix it after initial upload
[00:47] <asac> Jazzva: please push branch asap :)
[00:47] <asac> thanks!
[00:57] <Jazzva> asac: no problem :)... Pushed, bug 209990. I'll subscribe mozillateam now
[00:57] <Jazzva> Hmm... no ubotu
[00:57] <Jazzva> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagezoom/+bug/209990
[00:59] <Jazzva> BTW, should i also provide the diff against the version in the repository, or are the branches enough?
[00:59] <asac> Jazzva: as its probably simplish you don't need the diff
[01:01] <Jazzva> Ok... Well, I'm off... Have a good night :)...
[01:09] <cwong1> asac: ping
[12:50] <fta2> asac, http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2008/04/01/bzr-loom/
[12:51] <fta2> could be useful for your 1.5 branch
[13:05] <asac> yeah
[13:05] <asac> can i do that post-hume?
[13:05] <asac> or i loomify needed before i start :)
[13:06] <asac> i have the feeling that this midbrowser merge will fail ;)
[13:06] <fta2> it seems you can loomify an existing branch
[13:06] <asac> oh cool
[13:06] <fta2> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-loom-devs/bzr-loom/trunk/annotate/head:/HOWTO
[13:06] <asac> i tried the rebase plugin
[13:06] <asac> but that was painful
[13:06] <asac> with the huge mozilla branch
[13:20] <fta2> mozilla bug 423060
[13:20] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 423060 in RSS Discovery and Preview "Feed Handling in Google/Yahoo/Bloglines broken" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423060
[13:20] <fta2> I'd like to ship this fix in b5, it's annoying
[13:22] <asac> fta2: do you remember when the preference application dialog became empty
[13:22] <fta2> no
[13:22] <asac> iirc, that was crowded with appliations from gnome registry once
[13:22] <fta2> yes
[13:22] <asac> can you remember that too or is that a false imaginatio?
[13:22] <asac> ah good
[13:23] <asac> i think that should be fixed for sure.
[13:23] <asac> damn ... would i only know something ;)
[13:23] <fta2> ?
[13:24] <fta2> http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=149624
[13:24] <fta2> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/announcing-project-virgle.html
[13:24] <asac> nuclear still in beta :)
[13:35] <asac> i knew it ... midbrowser merge is broken :(
[13:35] <fta2> ?
[13:36] <asac> beta 3 -> beta 5 upgrade
[13:36] <asac> i am currently doing this dirt work
[13:36] <asac> of course i was dumb and didn't do a debug build
[13:36] <asac> so now rebuilding :(
[13:46] <asac> fta2: can we figure what the expected behaviour for this firefox.cfg thing is? do we need an application greprefs folder?
[13:47] <asac> (if thats possible at all)
[14:21] <fta2> I would says it should be per app but as only 1 file is allowed, it doesn't matter to have only 1 dir
[14:21] <fta2> says
[14:22] <asac> jimmy___: b5 merge is now available
[14:22] <asac> jimmy___: on its own branch again
[14:23] <asac> fta2: yes. per app is important. but it shouldn't be possible for users to overload the general.config.filename setting
[14:23] <asac> so we need something similar to greprefs per-app i guess
[14:24] <asac> ok out for lunch
[14:24] <asac> cwong1: b5 in repo ^^^
[14:24] <asac> cwong1: now lets clean things up quick and merge to master ... then build packages out of it so i can upload to hardy
[14:24] <asac> preferably with system-xul
[14:28] <fta2> mozilla bug 424489
[14:28] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 424489 in General "Change name of Firefox 3 M13 to "Firefox 3 Beta 5" for official branding (for beta build tagging only)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424489
[14:29] <asac> yeah
[14:29] <fta2> asac, there's a LP bug asking us to revert that, should we ?
[14:29] <asac> why?
[14:29] <asac> i am not out for lkunch ;)
[14:29] <asac> be back in 20min
[14:33] <fta2> bug 206275
[14:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206275 in firefox-3.0 "Remove program version from titlebar" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206275
[14:34] <fta2> oh, gnomefreak killed it
[14:40] <asac> that was quick ;)
[14:41] <asac> gnomefreak?
[14:41] <asac> is the version in the .desktop file?
[14:41] <asac> fta2: ?
[14:42] <asac> bug 185622
[14:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185622 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 doesn't act as the default browser" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185622
[14:43] <fta2> no
[14:45] <asac> ok.
[14:45] <asac> thats ok then
[14:45] <asac> i doubt that it would be just to just call our build "final" :)
[14:46] <asac> i think we should fix the bug above ... and the bloody gnome registry
[14:46] <asac> that would give our browser a new level of expertise ;)
[14:48] <fta2> whas it ok in b4 ?
[14:48] <fta2> was
[14:48] <fta2> dman
[14:48] <asac> no ... its definitly not ok in b4
[14:49] <fta2> grr
[14:49] <asac> i am not sure about b3
[14:49] <asac> but it worked at some poing :(
[14:49] <asac> thats what i ment by saying "woudl i only know something" :)
[14:50] <asac> i have the feeling that this has something to do with the gio transition
[14:50] <asac> most likely gnomevfs is just seriously broken
[14:51] <fta2> maybe ask seb128
[14:54] <asac> i ask him right now :)
[14:54] <asac> well ... he said that its still used a lot
[14:55] <asac> fta2: do we build gnome-vfs explicitly?
[14:55] <asac> i would expect a gnome.*xpt file in components/
[14:55] <asac> but i don't see any
[14:56] <asac> jimmy___: cwong1: b5 builds fine with current system cairo
[14:57] <asac> except that we crash while shutting down
[14:57] <asac> but thats only in debug builds i guess
[14:57] <asac> fta2: midbrowser-bin: /build/buildd/cairo-1.5.14/src/cairo-hash.c:199: _cairo_hash_table_destroy: Assertion `hash_table->live_entries == 0' failed.
[14:58] <asac> thats only in debug builds? (when using system-cairo)?
[15:13] <asac> fta2: which icons do we need permission for to make prism nice?
[15:17] <asac> fta2: i heard somewhere that you can use gmail in prism while being offline
[15:17] <asac> fta2: do we need another extension for that to happen?
[15:23] <fta2> yes, an extension from google, i don't remember the name
[15:24] <fta2> Google Gears
[15:25] <fta2> it's open source so we can package it
[15:26] <asac> hmm
[15:26] <fta2> asac,  "which icons do we need permission for to make prism nice?" => all those used for webapps
[15:26] <asac> can you give me a complete list?
[15:26] <asac> at best by mail ;)
[15:26] <asac> so i can forward that
[15:26] <fta2> apt-cache search prism-
[15:27] <fta2> +gmaps
[15:27] <asac> would be nice to have the list of urls pointing to it
[15:30] <fta2> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/prism/prism/annotate/fta%40sofaraway.org-20080324204534-1z7zj2mjjcniw58h?file_id=rules-20070927170613-rud1gn2vws5bsh1t-5
[15:30] <fta2> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/prism/prism/annotate/head:/debian/rules
[15:31] <asac> ok
[15:31] <asac> so which images are used exactly? where have they been downloaded from?
[15:32] <fta2> so far, i extract the icons from the .webapps but they are blurry on the dekstop
[15:32] <fta2> and in the menu
[15:32] <asac> hmm
[15:33] <asac> but those have been removed from upstream right?
[15:33] <asac> what do they ship now?
[15:36] <fta2> oh, the webapps are still in trunk
[15:37] <fta2> inspector too
[15:37] <fta2> i'd check the true 0.9
[15:37] <fta2> 'll
[15:44] <fta2> [reed], do you know if there's a "source" package for prism 0.9 ? I see only binary packages there: http://people.mozilla.com/~mfinkle/prism/
[15:49] <fta2> asac, the binary package does not ship any webapps, so no icon
[15:56] <fta2> http://svn.mozilla.org/projects/webrunner/trunk/install/profiles/
[15:57] <asac> ok
[15:57] <asac> i think we have to wait for hardy
[15:58] <asac> i will ask our bizdev folks to get the permission for that
[15:58] <asac> they have contacts to google
[15:59] <fta2> well, as it's still in trunk, i can just do a new snapshot under the same conditions
[15:59] <fta2> I thought it had been removed
[16:01] <fta2> for intrepid, i'd like to split the webapps from the core so icons will be needed
[16:01] <asac> fta2: yes. maybe we can extend gnome to load menu icons like favicons
[16:01] <asac> :)
[16:01] <asac> that would solve this
[16:01] <asac> e.g. just specify the url and a fallback icon
[16:01] <asac> once the user gets online for the first time he will get the good icons
[16:01] <asac> (downloaded by himself - so no licensing issue)
[16:01] <fta2> favicons are lowres
[16:02] <fta2> prism 0.9 already support that for window icons
[16:02] <fta2> +s
[16:48] <asac> fta2: can you set mozillateam as driver and bug contact on https://edge.launchpad.net/mozilla-devscripts/ ?
[16:50] <asac> cwong1: i cannot find any info how to clone moblin branches without ssh access?
[16:51] <fta2> asac, ok for the driver but I can't for the bug contact as i'm not admin of mozillateam
[16:52] <asac> oh ... let me see
[16:53] <fta2> i have prism 0.9+svn20080326r11579-0ubuntu1 ready
[16:53] <asac> i cannot configure anything on mozilla-devscripts?
[16:53] <asac> hmm
[16:53] <asac> but i guess i am blind - again.
[16:53] <asac> ahj maybe on the bug page
[16:53] <asac> hmm nothing
[16:54] <fta2> try again
[16:54] <asac> oh i see more now
[16:55] <asac> done
[16:55] <fta2> i've set mt as maintainer
[16:55] <asac> i don't understand why the team that wants to be bug contact needs to be the maintainer to set it
[16:55] <asac> i guess thats a bug in LP
[16:56] <asac> either you should have been able to do it
[16:56] <asac> or a mozillateam admin
[16:56] <asac> but well
[16:56] <asac> now it works
[16:59] <fta2> would be easier to put me admin ;)
[17:00] <asac> fta2: looks like i can't
[17:02] <asac> the UI allows me to remove administrator rights from anyone, but don't provide the UI to enable administrators
[17:02] <asac> maybe only john can do that?
[17:54] <cwong1> asac: sorry for late response..got your message and thanks for merging the B5 code.  I will pull it down to do a test build.
[17:55] <asac> cwong1: are the next steps ok?
[17:55] <asac> cwong1: what did you ping me bout yesterady?
[17:55] <asac> merge or something else?
[17:56] <cwong1> It was the merge..
[17:56] <asac> cwong1: try the xulrunner build ... after installing the build deps it takes just 3 minutes ;) or so
[17:56] <asac> to build
[17:56] <asac> :)
[17:56] <cwong1> ok
[17:57] <cwong1> Did you have probelm cloning the repo.?
[17:57] <asac> cwong1: didn't clone today
[17:57] <asac> cwong1: ah
[17:57] <asac> no already solved
[17:57] <cwong1> ok
[17:57] <asac> but you should really document the read-only clone url more obvious
[17:57] <cwong1> ok
[17:58] <asac> its not documented at all ... most likely not a good way to attract 3rd party contributors
[17:58] <asac> cwong1: often the git url its documented on the branch overwview page
[17:58] <asac> e.g. below description or something
[17:58] <cwong1> asac: We will add some doc to it...
[17:58] <cwong1> I will do a build and send to our QA for testing
[17:59] <asac> yeah. but having the urls directly on the webgit pages would be handy ;)
[17:59] <asac> cwong1: thanks
[17:59] <asac> cwong1: and if possible send me the xul gconf patch (if jimmy didn't do that last time)
[17:59]  * asac out for a few hours
[17:59] <cwong1> I will have jimmy do that and send to you
[18:00] <cwong1> catch you later
[18:32] <]reed[> fta_: <plasticmillion> reed: http://svn.mozilla.org/projects/webrunner/trunk
[18:35] <fta> [reed], yes, that's what i've been using but it's a snapshot. a source tarball released as the same time as the binaries would be nice.
[18:37] <fta> asac, bug 210155 ?
[18:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210155 in xulrunner "[xulrunner, iceape] [DSA-1532-1, DSA-1534-1] several vulnerabilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210155
[18:44] <[reed]> [12:37:38PM] <mfinkle> the linux.tar.bz2 is close, it just has xulrunner in it too
[18:44] <[reed]> [12:37:49PM] <plasticmillion> mfinkle: are you tagging the releases in SVN?
[18:44] <[reed]> [12:37:51PM] <mfinkle> remove one folder and you're done
[18:44] <[reed]> [12:38:08PM] <mfinkle> plasticmillion: I am not - I wasn't until we hit 1.0
[18:44] <[reed]> [12:39:02PM] <plasticmillion> well that'll be soon, hopefully :-)
[18:44] <[reed]> [12:39:05PM] <plasticmillion> so not a big deal
[18:44] <fta> ok, thanks
[18:46] <fta> btw, the build system in svn seems incomplete as it depends on the one in xul/ff to generate the makefiles and do the substs
[20:22] <asac> cwong1: any results?
[20:22] <cwong1> asac: I was able to build it on hardy and it seems to work ok. I did see couple of problems so far:
[20:23] <asac> fta: can you nominate that security bug for the products and releases?
[20:23] <asac> cwong1: regressions?
[20:23] <fta> asac, ??
[20:23] <cwong1> asac: 1)  When I go to yahoo.com and hit the signin button it couldn't go to the sign in page.
[20:23] <cwong1> asac: 2) the back and forward buttons are not there
[20:24] <asac> fta: you can "nominate for release" ... and can select the releases that are affected (like dapper, edgy, gutsy)
[20:24] <asac> cwong1: back and forward is there for me
[20:25] <fta> asac, i haven't looked further. I'm quite surprised to see xul and seamonkey mentioned while i've just upgraded them.
[20:25] <asac> cwong1: and i get to sign in page
[20:25] <cwong1> asac: hmmmm
[20:25] <cwong1> asac: let me try again by removing my .mozilla directory
[20:26] <asac> cwong1: for both cases: system-xul and in-source xul
[20:26] <asac> works well for me
[20:26] <asac> fta: its not about hardy
[20:26] <fta> oh
[20:26] <asac> fta: thats why we should document the releases affected by "nominating for release"
[20:26] <asac> and can mark hardy as "fix released"
[20:27] <asac> cwong1: did you build with system-xul?
[20:27] <asac> cwong1: is your hardy up-to-date?
[20:27] <asac> though i can't see why you won't see the back and forward button
[20:27] <asac> maybe the icons are missing in your gnome theme?
[20:27] <cwong1> asac: I build with system-xul and downloaded your xulrunner beta packages
[20:28] <asac> cwong1: yes ... and you need the libnssX packages as well
[20:28] <asac> cwong1: so all is now at b5~rc2, right?
[20:28] <asac> libnss3* libnspr4* xulrunner-1.9, xulrunner-1.9-dev
[20:28] <cwong1> asac: yes
[20:28] <asac> ok that should work
[20:28] <asac> did you use my .mozconfig?
[20:29] <cwong1> asac: I will double check and I did use your .mozconfig
[20:29] <cwong1> asac: are those packages available for gutsy?
[20:29] <asac> cwong1: no.
[20:30] <asac> cwong1: will take a bit longer, but usually someone provides them through -backports
[20:30] <cwong1> asac: so I can't build midbrowser (beta5) on gutsy, right?
[20:30] <asac> cwong1: you can
[20:30] <asac> but not with system-cairo
[20:30] <asac> not with system-nss/nspr
[20:30] <asac> cwong1: but we should really look forward and use hardy imo
[20:31] <asac> at least during development
[20:31] <cwong1> so I will have the rendering issues in some of the webpages...
[20:31] <asac> otherwise we fight fires that are not really driving things forward ;)
[20:31] <cwong1> I agree but I have some internal milestones to meet
[20:31] <cwong1> like our internal beta4 which is schedule to release next week.....sigh...
[20:32] <cwong1> and its gutsy based..
[20:32] <asac> cwong1: i know, i just hope that those are worth regularaly fixing things instead of driving them ;)
[20:32] <asac> and i feel with you
[20:32] <asac> cwong1: no the rendering should be fine
[20:32] <asac> but why are you guys really care for rendering issues if you know that they will be fixed automatically?
[20:33] <asac> anyway. give it a try
[20:33] <cwong1> the UMG group cares and they are doing a demo in the one of the event coming up shortly
[20:33] <asac> ah
[20:33] <cwong1> I will give it a try and do some more testing and let you know
[20:33] <cwong1> thanks for  your help
[20:35] <fta> http://glandium.org/blog/?p=188
[20:35] <asac> cwong1: np. just get me the gconf patch and QA feedback
[20:35] <asac> ;)
[20:35] <asac> so i can drive this forward in hardy
[20:36] <cwong1> Will do.. Jimmy is going to get the gconf patch today and will send to you
[20:40] <asac> fta: yeah i had that on the gnome announce lis
[20:40] <asac> t
[20:50] <asac> fta: i did that now in bug 210155
[20:51] <fta> oops, sorry, i was on prism
[20:51] <asac> retitled  bug 210155
[20:51] <asac> bug 210155
[20:51] <asac> wake up
[20:51] <asac> np
[20:51] <asac> are there other packages affected?
[20:51] <asac> hmm
[20:52] <asac> thunderbird has outstanding issues, but is not yet released
[20:54] <asac> bug 210155
[20:54] <asac> i think its dead ;)
[20:55] <armin76> mozilla bug 210155
[20:55] <asac> ubotu suffers
[20:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suffers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:20] <Volans> Hi asac, today I have changed my icons with that of gnome-icon-theme that is GPL, then I will try to make a pure GPL extension
[21:20] <asac> Volans: that is great news.
[21:20] <Volans> I have only some little dubt on some icons and on one file
[21:21] <Volans> the file is the install.js, that is not mine, I have used one founded when I have created the extension one year ago
[21:22] <Volans> and I don't know the license...
[21:27] <asac> Volans: install.js is for seamonkey, right? we don't need that for firefox
[21:27] <asac> Volans: maybe you can just copy an example from the mozilla dev net?
[21:29] <Volans> In the past I have tried to adapt the extension also for SeaMonkey but it never worked... and after I never found the time to check again this compatibility
[21:29] <Volans> then if you are sure that is not necessary for firefox I can delete it
[21:30] <Volans> :)
[21:30] <asac> Volans: install.rdf should be enough. you can easily test, but excluding it from the .xpi and installing
[21:30] <asac> in fact install.js is not supported in gecko 1.9 anymore
[21:30] <Volans> yes of course :D
[21:30] <Volans> ok thanks, very good news!
[21:30] <asac> hehe ;)
[21:31] <Volans> last thing are some icons that I can substitute, the *ubuntu logos and some icons form LP
[21:31] <Volans> but is not clear if I can use it or not
[21:31] <asac> Volans: are you using stock icons?
[21:31] <asac> (e.g. gnome stock icons)
[21:31] <Volans> no
[21:31] <Volans> why?
[21:32] <asac> didn't you say that they are in a ubuntu theme?
[21:33] <Volans> maybe due to my bad english I'm not explained well... let me retry :)
[21:34] <Volans> until yesterday I used the tango icons for quite all icons and a little number of external icons (*ubuntu logos and launchpad icons)
[21:34] <Volans> today I have changed all the possibile icons to the ones of gnome theme, then GPL and without problems, but the extenal icon problem still remain
[21:35] <Volans> for clarification I use the icons of the size of 16x16px like a favicon near the links that are in my extension that is a menu, like ubuntuforums menu extension
[21:48] <asac> [reed]: do you know a NSPR_DEBUG module that will give parser errors (e.g. for locale .dtd files)
[21:49] <jimmy___> asac: ping
[21:49] <asac> jimmy___: i just talked a second ago ... no need to ping ;)
[21:49] <asac> jimmy___: found the mail about b5 ;)?
[21:50] <jimmy___> asac: carl asked me to provide you the diff for the gconf patch? what exactly do you need? i see the gconf already merged into b5
[21:50] <jimmy___> yeah i saw the email, and i am testing it now
[21:50] <asac> jimmy___: i need the patch ;) .. .so i can move it to ubuntu xulrunner
[21:50] <asac> the complete toolkit patch i guess, but without the default preference flip
[21:50] <jimmy___> asac: i thought you did the the toolkit patch
[21:51] <Volans> asac: you think that I can use those icons? for example one is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/@@/bug-unknown for a link to LP bugs for ubuntu, ecc...
[21:51] <asac> jimmy___: yeah, but i don't have it in patch form anymore
[21:52] <jimmy___> asac: we never did have a patch, because we checked them into the repository, we never created a patch for it
[21:53] <asac> yeah :/ but now we need it
[21:53] <asac> let me look in the mail
[21:54] <jimmy___> so what would be an easy way to do this? diff our master branch against the original source, and take out anything not-related to gconf?
[21:54] <asac> jimmy___: i cannot find your mail right now
[21:54] <asac> jimmy___: yes, just diff the merge 0.5 branch (if gconf still work) against UPSTREAM.3.x for the files affected
[21:55] <asac> if there is no overlap then that should be easy
[21:55] <asac> like git diff UPSTREAM.3.x merge.3.0b5 FILES
[21:55] <jimmy___> but that would include all the diffs we made as well besides gconf
[21:56] <asac> not if you only name the files that were touched
[21:56] <asac> if there is overlap one need to strip manually
[21:56] <asac> but i hope that overlap is rare
[21:57] <jimmy___> ok
[22:28] <cwong1> asac: quick question
[22:29] <cwong1> asac: I update my hardy build enivornment and try to do a build built ran into a compilation error in jsxml.c. I got bunch of underfined reference to "PR_Lock" and "PR_Unlock".  Is it because I have an old nspr lbirary in my system?
[22:34] <asac> cwong1: yes, upgrade against the archive i send you
[22:35] <asac> those will be in hardy tomorrow or so
[22:35] <asac> those or similar ;)
[23:44] <jimmy___> asac: how do you use git-diff to compare files multiple files, i am not git-master
[23:48] <asac> jimmy___: like what i pasted about
[23:48] <asac> above
[23:48] <asac> git diff UPSTREAM.3.x merge.3.0b5 FILE1 FILE2 ...
[23:48] <asac> does that work?
[23:48] <asac> (use the proper branch name for merge)
[23:49] <asac> \o/ this translation thing works ... somewhat ;)
[23:49] <asac> Volans: where did you take your icons from. do you have an example?
[23:49] <asac> path in ubuntu
[23:49] <Volans> asac: yes I have send you the link in query some minutes ago
[23:50] <asac> Volans: if you are using icons that are in the gnome themes you can use stock icons
[23:50] <asac> that will automatically bring you the themed icons
[23:50] <asac> Volans: no ... i am interested in the origin path
[23:50] <Volans> actually the icons are included in the xpi
[23:51] <asac> Volans: yes i know
[23:51] <asac> just tell me an example path :)
[23:51] <asac> Volans: otherwise i don't mind
[23:51] <asac> Volans: you can ship the extension now as discussed (with the exception)
[23:52] <asac> later we can clean this up
[23:52] <asac> (once i have more time)
[23:52] <Volans> I'm not sure to understand what you want
[23:52] <Volans> from the css file, for example a path is list-style-image: url("chrome://ubuntuit/skin/icons/ubuntu.png");
[23:52] <asac> Volans: yes. but where did you copy it from  :)?
[23:52] <asac> the path on the ubuntu disk i want to know :)
[23:53] <asac> where you initially took it ;)
[23:53] <Volans> eheheh sincerly I don't remember... but some icons I have tooked directly from sites, like the LP ones
[23:54] <asac> yeah ok
[23:55] <Volans> why this strange question... there is a difference tooking from my system or from web?
[23:55] <asac> Volans:
[23:55] <asac> #zoom-reduce-button { list-style-image: url("moz-icon://stock/gtk-zoom-out?size=dialog");
[23:55] <asac> }
[23:55] <asac> thats possible in your css
[23:55] <asac> you just need to know how its named on your disk :)
[23:56] <asac> at least we could try that
[23:56] <Volans> ok, but this is true only for themeicons, not the ones tooked from sites, true?
[23:56] <asac> Volans: yes, but maybe you can find them in the theme?
[23:57] <Volans> I can find substituite, but near a link to Ubuntu Bugs in Launchpad will be great to have the LP "original" icon
[23:58] <Volans> but if this can't be done in GPL, I can substitute them with other icons
[23:59] <asac> ah ... now i see
[23:59] <asac> i have no answer for the ubuntu icons yet.
[23:59] <Volans> in the link I have sended to you in query you can see a screenshot of a submenu of the extension
[23:59] <Volans> with "utils" link to ubuntu community
[23:59] <asac> most likely replacing them is the right thing to do


[20:01] <goodwill> I am looking to have SSH access to the machine while it is being installed. My understanding is that netconsole ... starts the install process on the ssh console when it is SSHed into. Is there a way to just have the SSH access during install ... for example to look at logs?
[20:01] <goodwill> and continue to run the install process as is
[20:12] <cjwatson> goodwill: If you just continue past the "Start SSH" prompt from network-console on the main console, sshd should stay running and you should be able to continue installation on the main console.
[20:15] <CarlFK> goodwill: here is what works for me:  https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/nodes/pxe/shaz/var/www/ec/ssh/isshd.sh
[20:16] <CarlFK> $url is the local box that hosts all the install files
[20:37] <CarlFK> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=python-tesseract  35 repository results
[20:37] <CarlFK> swell.
[21:17] <goodwill> hmmm
[21:28] <CarlFK> opps, that tesseract url was meant for someone else.  derp.


[00:49] <IrcsomeBot1> dimasnirwan was added by: dimasnirwan
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/oxVkTIZ0/file_37817.jpg What is the bug with icons after sleep mode?
 This bug has been around for a long time
 How to fix this?
[01:56] <Roey> hello
[01:57] <Roey> anyone here? I'm unable to mount my external hard drive for some reason--I mount it, but when I look at the mount point, it is empty, and when I issue "mount", I don't see it listed at all.
[02:16] <guiverc> Roey, you haven't said what release, but if you have issues, did you look for clues in `dmesg`  (when you mount at terminal messages are usually seen anyway; GUI tools tend to require searching in logs)
[02:16] <Roey> guiverc: I did, yes
[02:16] <Roey> no clue still
[02:17] <Roey> latest release.
[02:18] <guiverc> please be specific (latest release), some users have differnet understandings to what I expect... does the partition show in blkid, is it clean?  (ie. if NTFS wasn't used on a fastboot enabled system, hibernated etc)
[02:31] <Roey> guiverc: ok, specific:
[02:31] <Roey> 1) lsblk shows the drive.  It is /dev/sdc (not /dev/sdc1)
[02:31] <Roey> 2) when i try to mount -v /dev/sdc /backup, it says it's mounting it , yet I do not see it in the output of "mount" after that.
[02:32] <Roey> 3) it's formatted for ext4
[02:32] <guiverc> normally you're partitioning partitions (GPT & MBR tables) not drives. what *fs* is it
[02:32] <Roey> ext4.
[02:32] <guiverc> what was it created on, why no partition table?
[02:33] <Roey> I did mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdc.
[02:33] <guiverc> I wouldn't mount it, but likely look in KDE Partition Manager to see it checks out okay, or 'gparted`
[02:34] <Roey> yeah, so /dev/sdc in gparted shows up as an 8TB ext4 volume.
[02:34] <Roey> this is not an issue
[02:34] <Roey> I have mounted this drive before.
[02:34] <Roey> I do not understand hwy it is acting lfaky
[02:34] <Roey> flaky*
[02:34] <Roey> flakey *
[02:34] <Roey> when I try to moutn it this time.
[02:37] <guiverc> sorry I can't help.. I don't have a like partitioned device (that I can think of) to try & look locally & play.. something doesn't feel right & I can't work out what i'm thinking
[03:45] <mgl> alguien en español?
[04:09] <mgl> someone speak spanish
[04:33] <IrcsomeBot1> LoneWolf_Shining was added by: LoneWolf_Shining
[04:59] <IrcsomeBot1> <yang colin> I agree with you,thanks anyway
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:18] <reaga> i still cant get nvidia drivers working dangit
[07:19] <reaga> when i install nvidia drivers then reboot, its just a black screen with no cursor or anything, and my PC isn't responsive to me pressing the power button, i have to hold it down
[09:23] <IrcsomeBot1> Hjic Sbai was added by: Hjic Sbai
[09:44] <reaga> guys i cant get nvidia drivers working
[09:44] <reaga> please help
[11:10] <IrcsomeBot1> <Derek Slegr> why are you getting entity
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:27] <IrcsomeBot1> <Matt Chambers> should I set anything on html ?
[11:34] <viewer|6> hello
[11:49] <user|44107> hello, I heard rumors that there is now an official upgrade path from ubuntu LTS 18.04 to 20.04 - I'm using kubuntu and did not yet see such an update message. Anyone an idea when this will come?
[11:51] <lordievader> user|44107: What does `do-release-upgrade` say?
[12:27] <IrcsomeBot1> typicallinukss was added by: typicallinukss
 тыпычный лынуксоыид завел теелграм
 Hello! … Why the notification of update to Kubuntu 20.04 not showing in Kubuntu 18.04, but when I do in terminal 'do-release-upgrade', update available?
[12:30] <user|44107> ah, ok, there are pending "normal" updates...
 @user|44107, But notification must be showing, yes?
[12:45] <user|44107> o-release-upgrade
[12:45] <user|44107> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[12:45] <user|44107> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[12:46] <user|44107> no graphical message in "Updates"
[12:55] <oerheks> user|44107, so, run updates properly, reboot, and try again?
[13:16] <IrcsomeBot1> Lynn Gleason was added by: Lynn Gleason
 @user|44107, You can download the new release iso and write the iso file to USB. Then boot via USB and select upgrade installation option. This way will also work.
 Please take a backup before you try any method of upgrades.
[14:51] <user|33365> Hello
[14:52] <user|33365> Help me pls. I want to install kubuntu on a laptop stacked in bios. I only hve a usb
[14:53] <woozalia> Can you boot off the USB stick?
 i connected my phone aux with my laptop, but  when i play music on my phone, my laptop isnt detecting aux
 music isnt plaing from my laptop
 @SharGen19, Check the audio properties in desktop panel. If no audio device shown, run the hardware probe.
 If you have installed audio video codecs from other sources instead of repository, such problems are expected.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/e05RnrVv/file_37861.jpg
 its detecting
 but isnt playing?
 Then it is probably codec issue.
 Restart pc once.
 If still not working, 2 things you can do.
 If you are running codecs from main repository, open software manager and search audio video codec library and utilities. Select codec files which are not installed till date. Install them.restart. this will work.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/wvI7ZRZa/file_37863.jpg
 now its not detecting any input
 Other method is to uninstall different 3rd party codecs installed by different software's(this may make make those software unusable). Then download packman codec package or vlc videolan player+codec package. Install them. Your issue will be resolved.
 uhm what should i uninstall?
 @SharGen19, I told you earlier also try to install all required software from oss or non oss repository only. Otherwise you may face difficulty.
 @sammy_v, uhm i havent downloaded anything from any other repos
 @SharGen19, Many games and other software install their own codec packs. This will mess up with default codecs.
 only conky that i uninstalled
 Ok
 @sammy_v, so how i suppose to untill those? i dont know which all stuffs are installed? and how to remove it?
 I cannot help you more than this as I don't have access to your system.
 @SharGen19, If you have not install any software from outside the kubuntu system. Then the problem lies somewhere else.
 Codecs necessary to play most music containers and formats … ffmpeg … gstreamer-plugins-bad … gstreamer-plugins-libav … gstreamer-plugins-ugly … libavcodec58 … libavdevice58 … libavfilter7 … libavformat58 … libavresample4 … libavutil56 … vlc-codecs
 Check if they are installed in your system or not.
 Check system messages to diagnose error.
 E: Unable to locate package gstreamer-plugins-bad
 Hmm check in package manager if it is there or not. Just reinstall it.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/xggWmO3x/file_37865.jpg
 @sammy_v, .
 Ok then install all above codecs and vlc player.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/QPOr2cta/file_37866.jpg
 @sammy_v, i have vlc installed
 gstreamer-plugins-bad … gstreamer-plugins-libav … gstreamer-plugins-ugly
 these arent installed
 Ok install the codecs only.
 but im unable to find specific packages
 Search and select them in package manager. Hit install option.
 @SharGen19, the gstreamer packages on ubuntu are prefixed gstreamer1.0.- instead of gtstreamer-
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ElLCLKj8/file_37868.jpg
 Ok use terminal
 $ sudo apt update
 @SharGen19, than which one should i install?
 $ sudo apt install ubuntu-restricted-extras
 Use this terminal commands.
 @sammy_v, done
 It get done in jiffy.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/rRAVCdWs/file_37869.jpg
 how accept?
 Accept
 No issue.
 uhm unable to
 Since some of the codes are non oss and other support software is being installed, it is asking for permissions.
 yeah it fine, but when i click on ok nothing happening
 also when i click enter nothing
 press*
 Press enter on keyboard after bringing the EULA window to forefront.
 uhm
 Scroll the window till end and then it will accept your permission
 ok when i used arrow key it showed
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/vddgP0Ns/file_37870.jpg
 Hahaha jiffy is not a command...Jiffy means fast.
 Using just 2 commands, it gets install fast.
 Restart your pc and enjoy audio.
[16:54] <u19809> HI all, I had a disk crash on a system where at startup I had a grub menu with linux and windows as options.  I downloaded the 20.04.1 ISO put it on a USB drive.  Next I rebooted and had two options : UEFI boot from my usb stick and non UEFI.  When selecting Non UEFI, system installed but grub does not detect windows.  When booting with UEFI, I get
[16:54] <u19809> the 'kubuntu' logo but nothing else happens.  Help !
[17:31] <eeos> hi everybody! Do you know what application creates the user smbguest on kubuntu 20.04.1 LTS?
[17:35] <oerheks> eeos, it must be you, editting /etc/samba/smb.conf
[17:35] <oerheks> https://www.debuntu.org/samba-how-to-share-files-for-your-lan-without-userpassword/
[17:36] <eeos> oerheks: well, unless I do it in my sleep .... that did not happen.
[17:37] <eeos> oerheks: after reading most of the manuals on samba, and having googled the problem oh so many times I still cannot share the content of one subdirectory using samba and now there is this user that is not removed even when I purge.
[17:39] <eeos> oerheks: there is the user smbguest, but not the group smbguest, and the groups sambashare, and sambamachine, but not the users .... that is a weird configuration to say the least.
[17:39] <oerheks> smbpasswd -x <name> # userdel -r <name> # systemctl restart smbd
[17:40] <eeos> oerheks: yes, of course .... but the point is what package and what processes created that user and when
[17:40] <eeos> oerheks: (and why)
[17:40] <oerheks> you did, smbguest is not a standard user
[17:41] <eeos> oerheks: users appearing out of nowhere are a potential breach in system security
[17:41] <eeos> oerheks: I definitvely did not .... one of the packages installed did either in preinstallation or in post.
[17:41] <eeos> oerheks: unless I have developed split personality in the last alf hour.
[17:42] <eeos> oerheks: happy to share my bash history for the last two hours, so you cn grep it.
[17:44] <eeos> oerheks: indeed, history | grep -i smbguest returns  2007  history | grep -i smbguest
[18:14] <Chen> Hi
[18:15] <Chen> any antivirus recommended for kubuntu ?
[18:38] <tuxakadjseb> An antivirus with GNU/Linux ? Why ?
 @Chen, Clamav
 @tuxakadjseb, There are virus and malware hitting Linux systems also
 There are even PUA in Linux systems.
 Potentially unwanted programs (PUP)
[18:47] <tuxakadjseb> Sure ?
 Yes
 You can google about this...
[18:48] <tuxakadjseb> I know that it exists but I have no friends who have any virus with an GNU/Linux system.
 That is why each software package is signed by a unique key. Package manager stops installation if it is not matching...
 There is a possibility of PUP/malware/virus slipping in if user okays software with unidentified software keys.
[20:17] <user|62304> Hello...i've created ab
[20:20] <tomreyn> user|62304: hi. you created what?
[20:29] <user|62304> I've created a bootable usb stick with Kubuntu 20.04. I am trying to install it on an Acer AO722 laptop running Windows 7. It has an AMD C 60 processor and 64 bit operating system. Every time I've tried to boot from the usb drive everything starts out fine then the message "decoding failed" comes up and loops on. Can someone please help me with thi
[20:29] <user|62304> s problem. Thank you.
[20:31] <oerheks> did you check the downloaded iso?
[20:31] <oerheks> !md5sum
[20:31] <user|62304> I've created a bootable usb stick with Kubuntu 20.04. I am trying to install it on an Acer AO722 laptop running Windows 7. It has an AMD C 60 processor and 64 bit operating system. Every time I've tried to boot from the usb drive everything starts out fine then the message "decoding failed" comes up and loops on. Can someone please help me with thi
[20:31] <user|62304> s problem. Thank you.
[20:32] <tomreyn> user|62304: did you read what oerheks asked?
[20:34] <user|62304> well I downloaded _kubuntu_.I don't know how to check the iso.
[20:34] <Unit193> Huh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1835660
[20:36] <tomreyn> user|62304: the process explained in the ubuntu tutorial for ubuntu should also apply to *k*ubuntu, since they sahre the same foundation.
[20:37] <tomreyn> user|62304: in fact, the "Verify your ISO download" link on https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ points to the ubuntu tutorial, too.
[20:38] <user|62304> will try it. Thank you!
[20:39] <tomreyn> user|62304: IF testing this turns out that the checksum of your downloaded iso image is correct, and if the online self-test (during boot of the installer) also reports no errors, you can also try booting with the "dis_ucode_ldr" kernel parameter
[20:39] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | user|62304
[20:58] <Guest_43> hello
[21:00] <tomreyn> hi Guest_43
[21:03] <Guest_43> I want to ask one question - I have relatively new notebook (buyed few months ago - Dell G17), but often (about once a week) during kubuntu 20.04 startup, there are filesystem errors, that needs to be corrected using fsck (on rotating disk, not ssd), which can cause that, or what I should check?
[21:08] <tomreyn> Guest_43: hmm, this may actually suggest a broken disk. but this is just a wild guess for now. you can use     smartctl -x /dev/sdX     (replace the X!) to check its status.
[21:08] <tomreyn> !smart
[21:09] <tomreyn> Guest_43: also, as a note for your next question: you'Re welcome to just rush in here and immediately ask your question, no need to wait until someone responds
[21:10] <tomreyn> this isn't considered impolite on IRC, but rather recommended.
[21:11] <Guest_43> thank you - I've also tried using GSmartControl, quick check looks ok, and on attributes tab, there are 3 pre failure items (which is strange, because Raw Read Error Rate is 0, Reallocated Sector Count is also 0, Spin up time is 1355)
[21:15] <tomreyn> Guest_43: can you share the attribute table?
[21:15] <Guest_43> "ID","Name","Failed","Norm-ed value","Worst","Threshold","Raw value","Type","Flags"1,"Raw Read Error Rate","never","100","100","50","0","pre-failure","PO-R--"3,"Spin-Up Time","never","100","100","1","1 355","pre-failure","POS--K"5,"Reallocated Sector Count","never","100","100","50","0","pre-failure","PO--CK"9,"Power-On
[21:15] <Guest_43> Time","never","97","97","0","1 263","old age","-O--CK"12,"Power Cycle Count","never","100","100","0","289","old age","-O--CK"191,"G-Sense Error Rate","never","100","100","0","3","old age","-O--CK"192,"Head Retract Cycle Count","never","100","100","0","9","old age","-O--CK"193,"Load / Unload Cycle","never","100","100","0","4 205","old
[21:15] <Guest_43> age","-O--CK"194,"Temperature (Celsius)","never","100","100","0","43 (Min/Max 20/50)","old age","-O---K"199,"UDMA CRC Error Count","never","200","253","0","0","old age","-O--CK"240,"Head Flying Hours","never","98","98","0","1 036","old age","-O--CK"241,"Total LBAs Written","never","100","100","0","2 814 249 259","old age","-O--CK"242,"Total LBAs
[21:15] <Guest_43> Read","never","100","100","0","1 218 052 837","old age","-O--CK"254,"Free Fall Protection","never","100","100","0","0","old age","-O--CK"
[21:15] <tomreyn> oh, use a pastebin
[21:15] <tomreyn> !paste
[21:15] <Guest_43> sorry:)
[21:16] <Guest_43> !paste "ID","Name","Failed","Norm-ed value","Worst","Threshold","Raw value","Type","Flags"1,"Raw Read Error Rate","never","100","100","50","0","pre-failure","PO-R--"3,"Spin-Up Time","never","100","100","1","1 355","pre-failure","POS--K"5,"Reallocated Sector Count","never","100","100","50","0","pre-failure","PO--CK"9,"Power-On
[21:16] <Guest_43> Time","never","97","97","0","1 263","old age","-O--CK"12,"Power Cycle Count","never","100","100","0","289","old age","-O--CK"191,"G-Sense Error Rate","never","100","100","0","3","old age","-O--CK"192,"Head Retract Cycle Count","never","100","100","0","9","old age","-O--CK"193,"Load / Unload Cycle","never","100","100","0","4 205","old
[21:16] <Guest_43> age","-O--CK"194,"Temperature (Celsius)","never","100","100","0","43 (Min/Max 20/50)","old age","-O---K"199,"UDMA CRC Error Count","never","200","253","0","0","old age","-O--CK"240,"Head Flying Hours","never","98","98","0","1 036","old age","-O--CK"241,"Total LBAs Written","never","100","100","0","2 814 249 259","old age","-O--CK"242,"Total LBAs
[21:16] <Guest_43> Read","never","100","100","0","1 218 052 837","old age","-O--CK"254,"Free Fall Protection","never","100","100","0","0","old age","-O--CK"
[21:16] <felipe_> hello
[21:16] <tomreyn> Guest_43: visit https://paste.ubuntu.com and paste your text
[21:16] <Guest_43> https://pastebin.com/ThRN6va1
[21:16] <tomreyn> ok
[21:21] <tomreyn> Guest_43: hmm, those look fine, except for the 3 g-sense errors.
[21:22] <Guest_43> yep :) also that this happens often to files, which were lastly in use - for example web browser cache files, or last time it was file, which was edited before shutting down
[21:23] <Guest_43> it is ext4 filesystem, in fstab mounted with default options
[21:24] <tomreyn> Guest_43: hmm, have you modified the filesystem configuration to non default values, though?
[21:24] <tomreyn> i.e. using tune2fs
[21:25] <Guest_43> no, i'm not aware of doing something like that
[21:25] <tomreyn> and when you shut the system down, you do it from the kubuntu menu?
[21:26] <tomreyn> i.e. you don't just push the power button on the computer, right?
[21:26] <Guest_43> yes, only proper way - system logs out, then I can hear disk to be turned off and after that system is shut down
[21:27] <tomreyn> hmm, strange, i haven't heard of this. maybe ask in #ubuntu, too, there might be more people with a suggestion on what else to try. another option would be to just return the disk, requesting replacement,
[21:28] <tomreyn> a bios update and disk firmware update could help, too
[21:30] <Guest_43> yes, I also can't found something similar - only problems with dualboot, but it is not this case :)  good point, i'm not updated bios/disk firmware
[21:31] <tomreyn> i was considering dual boot also, but this would result in different problems than the ones you discussed
[21:42] <Guest_43> nick registered&switched to bobo87, i'll try to ask on #ubuntu :)
[22:28] <IrcsomeBot1> Carrie Williams was added by: Carrie Williams
[22:29] <swift110> hey all


[05:15] <mborzecki> morning
[06:58] <mborzecki> mvo: morning
[06:59] <mvo> mborzecki: good morning!
[07:00] <mborzecki> mvo: some conflicts in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7072
[07:01] <mvo> mborzecki: checking
[07:01] <mvo> mborzecki: aha, I see, will fix
[07:07] <mborzecki> mvo: i think you had some pointers to docs about running spread tests with rspi, can you remind me where they were?
[07:07] <zyga> Good morning
[07:07] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[07:07] <zyga> Hey everyone
[07:08] <zyga> On Friday I managed to finish the huge test
[07:08] <zyga> I will upstream it today
[07:08] <zyga> I will be starting late today though as we are moving once again
[07:08] <zyga> See you in two hours
[07:09] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:10] <mvo> mborzecki: sure, tests/external-backend.md
[07:10] <mvo> zyga: good morning
[07:10] <mvo> and good morning pstolowski :)
[07:12] <mborzecki> mvo: got it, thanks!
[07:12] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:15] <mborzecki> mvo: hm guess that brings me back to the problem i had earlier, is there a way to create a user without console-conf (no display, and no working serial) or user assertion (cannot sign one for canonical signed model)?
[07:16] <mborzecki> mvo: i do use cloud-init for qemu amd64 images, but iirc pstolowski did not manage to get it to work with rspi before
[07:19] <ondra> zyga https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7074
[07:20] <ondra> zyga first shot, feel free to leave comment if something is missing or something to change
[07:33] <zyga> ondra: thank you
[07:35] <mvo> mborzecki: oh, thats a good one, I am not sure what the best option is
[07:35] <mvo> mborzecki: you could simple add the user by removing the sd card?
[07:35] <mvo> mborzecki: and adding it "offline" ?
[07:50] <zyga> mvo, mborzecki: please have a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7071 -- I will try to upstream all of the test I wrote last week today
[08:38] <zyga> ondra: you need to change gpio-contorl PR a little to include a change to a spread test
[08:38] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wn7CUxZQ/
[08:39] <Chipaca> zyga: do you know the ouid is in an apparmor denial message?
[08:40] <zyga> do you mean if I know what ouid is?
[08:40] <Chipaca> zyga: yes
[08:41] <zyga> object uid
[08:41] <Chipaca> fsuid i presume is the uid of the filesystem thing
[08:41] <Chipaca>     Log: apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_perm" profile="snap.olivia-test.olivia" name="/home/bulld/snap/olivia-test/114/.local/share/org.keshavnrj.ubuntu/Olivia/fifos/1562106609366.fifo" pid=21796 comm="socat" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[08:41] <Chipaca> does that ^ mean it's trying to access a fifo owned by the user, as root?
[08:42] <zyga> fsuid is the ID of the user from the point of view of the filesystem AFAIK
[08:42] <zyga> yeah
[08:42] <zyga> I think so
[08:43] <Chipaca> zyga: tks
[08:43] <zyga> pstolowski, mborzecki: I need a review for https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7071
[08:43] <zyga> more python test code
[08:48] <pstolowski> +1
[08:49] <zyga> pstolowski: thank you!
[08:53] <Chipaca> omg
[08:54] <Chipaca> mborzecki: "cannot install lxd snap" … why would they omit the most relevant bit of info from the title?
[08:54] <Chipaca> "... on WSL"
[08:54] <zyga> Chipaca: don't we detect WSL?
[08:54] <zyga> Chipaca: unless that is on  wsl2
[08:55] <Chipaca> zyga: this guy has patched snapd and is working to get it to work on wsl2
[08:55] <mvo> we do detect it, maybe somehthing changed there (os wsl2)
[08:55] <zyga> Chipaca: oh, cool
[08:55] <zyga> mvo: yeah, wsl2 is quite different
[08:55] <zyga> mvo: I played with it  last week a little, it's interesting
[08:55] <mvo> cool
[08:56] <mborzecki> Chipaca: yeah, figured as much seeing the guy comment in wsl2 topics
[08:56] <zyga> mvo: /init is a bind mount from a plan9 fs from windows VM  that is full of microsoft-style windows symbol names
[08:56] <zyga> mvo: the boot process boots a small container manager on linux, then ubuntu is a container there
[08:57] <zyga> anyone https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7071 (2nd review only, python test code)
[09:07] <zyga> mborzecki: thank you!
[09:30] <zyga> mborzecki, pstolowski: small tweak on top of the renumbering patch
[09:30] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7078
[09:47] <mborzecki> mvo: opened a RFC with snap-image https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7079
[09:48] <mborzecki> mvo: those are cherry-pickings from a work in progress branch, hopefully the spread test works too
[09:56] <pedronis> mborzecki: we'll need to iterate on the commands and name of that tool, I read the forum topic and I'm not sold on the current ones
[09:56] <mborzecki> pedronis: sure, as you probably noticed already i'm terrible at naming things :)
[10:03] <mvo> zyga: nice!
[10:03] <mvo> mborzecki: thanks, will have a look (was in a meeting)
[10:05] <zyga> wow, it is raining
[10:05] <zyga> this soil badly needs water
[10:05] <zyga> I'm  inclined to take a break and just enjoy the rain for a sec
[10:05] <Eighth_Doctor> mborzecki: will this help with making fedora snappy core systems? :)
[10:06] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: hey :)
[10:06] <mborzecki> Eighth_Doctor: well, you don't need ubuntu-image to build an image anymore
[10:06] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: what  willhelp?
[10:06] <zyga> ah,ubuntu-image
[10:06] <Eighth_Doctor> well, I saw `snap image`, and I thought, well maybe that might help
[10:06] <Eighth_Doctor> since the whole thing is kinda undefined at the moment
[10:07] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: but fedora  based core  systems are still a bit away for multiple reasons
[10:07] <Eighth_Doctor> aww
[10:08] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: mborzecki's work is making the image building much more solid and well tested/defined
[10:08] <zyga> and something snapd can be a part of for core20
[10:14] <mborzecki> zyga: hm that could actually be an interesting experiment just to check how far one could go
[10:14] <zyga> mborzecki: yeah but ENOTIME
[10:14] <zyga> mborzecki: but yeah
[10:14] <zyga> speaking of time
[10:14] <zyga> it's time to look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7080
[10:14] <zyga> and at  https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7078
[10:15] <zyga> after those two I only have one python change left
[10:15] <zyga> changing renaming order
[10:16] <ogra> Chipaca, I fixed the (WSL) topic for you ;)
[10:36]  * zyga wraps up for late breakfast and walk
[10:36] <mborzecki> hm no way to tell if spread test exited early/was skipped due to some extra checks :/
[10:36] <zyga> mborzecki: nope, no SKIP
[10:36] <mborzecki> i think we discused that but there was no outcome
[10:41] <mborzecki> cannot snap ack test keys on rpi, error: cannot assert: assert failed: cannot find account (testrootorg)
[10:43] <zyga> need to tweak renumbering some more, tmpfs size depends on instance memory and it seems we get one of two sizes
[10:43] <zyga> oh well
[10:43] <zyga> after  lunch
[10:44] <mborzecki> aand cannot use a fakestore with external backend :/
[10:46] <zyga> bbl
[11:06] <popey> kyrofa: is nextcloud-client one of yours? It's private. Does it need work, or handing over to someone active?
[11:10] <zyga> re
[11:16] <zyga> - Download snap "go-example-webserver" (25) from channel "stable" (received an unexpected http response code (503) when trying to download https://canonical-lgw01.cdn.snapcraft.io/download-origin/canonical-lgw01/AXQwkeqxpsWVOF2kUsgT6zJKVW8H9NIm_25.snap?token=1562594400_3c2fed171bc8c205f871d84b418ef6de7625d0f8)
[11:16] <zyga> some CDN woes
[11:16] <zyga> maybe store woes? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qmzSIDds/
[11:18] <zyga> I restarted three runs
[11:18] <mvo> zyga: might be worth checking with the store people
[11:18] <zyga> I checked status.snapcraft.io, all green there
[11:18] <zyga> if this  happens again I'll ping store
[11:20] <mvo> cmatsuoka: hey, good news. I managed to boot a luks enabled uc20 now (with your prs). could you please check https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7077  ? I made some small tweaks
[11:21] <mvo> cmatsuoka: once that is merged into uc20 the spike-tools from github.com/snapcore/spike-tools should be able to do the full image build, i.e. this should then work end-to-end (when building on bionic)
[11:22] <zyga> mvo: what do you think we should do with  https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7062
[11:22] <zyga> mvo: 1) scope it to 16.04 so that it passes, close the PR?
[11:24] <cmatsuoka> mvo: awesome! I have some clean-ups in my todo list, mostly debug code related to certain actions requiring a small delay -- did you experience any non-deterministic behavior during your tests?
[11:26] <mvo> zyga: let me look
[11:27] <mvo> cmatsuoka: I added one more sleep before the filesystem creation
[11:27] <mvo> cmatsuoka: and some error checking
[11:27] <ogra> ogra@pi4:~$ snap debug confinement
[11:27] <ogra> strict
[11:27] <ogra> ogra@pi4:~$ uname -a
[11:27] <ogra> Linux pi4 5.1.16+ #1 SMP Mon Jul 8 10:31:01 UTC 2019 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[11:27] <ogra> \o/
[11:28] <zyga> ondra: can we get 5.2?  :D
[11:28] <zyga> ogra: ^
[11:28] <zyga> sorry :)
[11:28] <ogra> haha ... i know ondra likes to be me :)
[11:28] <zyga> 5.2 has the new mount APIs
[11:29] <cmatsuoka> mvo: yeah, I just saw the extra delay -- I'll try arighi's kernel to see if it behaves better regarding potential races
[11:29] <ogra> zyga, i'll take a look ... thats all very early anway ... we have no u-boot for the pi4 yet ... but i want to get at least a hacked up classic image to work with this kernel and the upstream bootlaoder setup (no initrd)
[11:29] <zyga> ogra: classic is fine :)
[11:30] <ondra> zyga you can just use ondra, ogra has highlight on my nick anyway :P
[11:30] <ogra> well, its "hacked classic"
[11:30] <zyga> hahaha
[11:30] <ogra> (i.e. just a debootstrapped rootfs plus kernel and upstream bootloader)
[11:32] <cmatsuoka> mvo: there was a place where I manually added a bunch of modprobes to make cryptsetup work, now I think I was actually adding minute delays and we may have hit another race there
[11:33] <mvo> cmatsuoka: I see minute waits when booting
[11:34] <mvo> cmatsuoka: should I look into initramfs to see these sleeps?
[11:44] <cmatsuoka> mvo: I'm removing the lines that shouldn't be there and running some tests
[11:44] <cmatsuoka> If these are really required I'll test them again with the new kernel
[11:45] <mvo> ta
[11:58] <zyga> Chipaca: hey
[11:58] <zyga> Chipaca: do you need that WSL2 data?
[12:00] <zyga> Catalog update is doing verbose http logging (it should not).
[12:00] <zyga> hmm
[12:01] <zyga> I'm not lucky with PRs today
[12:02] <Chipaca> zyga: I'd like it, but it's not essential, why?
[12:03] <zyga> Chipaca: I can try to unpack that laptop after lunch and give you the answer
[12:03] <Chipaca> zyga: no rush
[12:03] <zyga> Chipaca: alternatively I can easily give you the answer in the evening
[12:03] <zyga> Chipaca: after we check in
[12:03] <Chipaca> zyga: basically i want to know if the default WSL2 kernel still has Microsoft in /proc/version
[12:04] <Chipaca> zyga: the person in the forum is running their own kernel so anything goes in there :-/
[12:04] <zyga> aha
[12:04] <zyga> there are ways to detect wsl 2
[12:04] <zyga> simple one: /init is a p9 mount
[12:04] <Chipaca> but as this is meant as a "yeah this won't work" aid to users, I'm not worried if they circumvent our checks and then things break
[12:06] <Chipaca> "when I try to change channels it doesn't work and my eyes hurt!" "hitting yourself with the remote is a bad way to change channels, don't do that" "i removed my eyes, trying to change channels no longer hurts, but it still doesn't work!"
[12:07] <Chipaca> *sigh*
[12:07] <zyga> hehe
[12:07] <zyga> in that case
[12:07] <zyga> I'm off for lunch
[12:07] <zyga> if anyone wants to look: two simple python PRs are pending
[12:22] <pedronis> at least 3 of PRs need a review or 2/3 review: 7006, 7020, 7066
[12:42] <pstolowski> looking at 7006
[12:42] <pstolowski> *7066
[12:42] <pstolowski> grr, 7006
[12:56] <ijohnson> morning folks
[12:57] <pedronis> Chipaca: 6977 is probably something you should review (it relates to the refactor)
[12:59] <zyga> Hey ijohnson
[13:00] <ijohnson> hey zyga
[13:00] <zyga> mvo:I will not be able to make it
[13:00] <zyga> Mvo sorry, still finishing lunch
[13:31] <cmatsuoka> uh, it was just me or  something strange just happened in the video call?
[13:36] <jdstrand> Chipaca: ouid is the 'object id' of the thing being referenced in the permission check. so in that case, the fifo (the object) is owned by root and being accessed by non-root (the fsuid)
[13:37] <jdstrand> zyga: hey, why do we have a meeting on pr 7058?
[13:37] <jdstrand> mvo: ^ (hi btw)
[13:41] <mvo> jdstrand: in a meeting right now, I will get back to you in 5min or so
[13:42] <ogra> ouid ? are you sure thats not a french daemon saying yes all the time ?
[13:43] <mvo> jdstrand: I think the idea about hte meeting was to see what (if anything) would break if we enable apparmor on upstream kernels and also what security features will be missing
[13:46] <mvo> jdstrand: it will hopefully be a short meeting :)
[13:47] <jdstrand> mvo: I thought we had that meeting in Lyon :) we don't really know what will break because we haven't run it in strict mode on those distros
[13:47] <jdstrand> well, we'll see. it might sound like I'm rehashing an old argument, but I promise I won't be. I'll just be honest in the assessment
[13:50] <pedronis> jdstrand: we are having a meeting because I was told you were +1 on this change now
[13:50] <pedronis> and wanted to understand the new reasoning
[13:51] <jdstrand> pedronis: it is because in Lyon, where I said that if we were going to make the change, I wanted to be sure everyone understood the cost (maintenance, regression, reputation). people said they understood the cost and wanted to do it
[13:51] <pedronis> jdstrand: I didn't
[13:51] <jdstrand> hmm, you were in the room. ok, does sound like a meeting is warranted
[13:52] <pedronis> yes, that's why we have one, lots of mixed messages
[13:57] <zyga> jdstrand: yes
[13:58]  * zyga misread  the question, reading backlog
[13:58] <zyga> ok, see you all in a minute
[14:54] <mborzecki> pedronis_: updated the big one https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6890
[14:58] <pedronis> mborzecki: thx, I'll try to go back to those PRs tomorrow
[15:05] <mborzecki> pedronis: great, thank you!
[15:09] <ijohnson> pedronis, mvo: the bug about seeding a classic image I talked about is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1835795
[15:16] <jdstrand> ackk: re those bugs you asked about, they will be fixed in the upcoming 2.40 release
[15:16] <ackk> jdstrand, thanks, awesome!
[15:16] <jdstrand> ackk: and sorry for the delay, I was on holiday
[15:16] <ackk> jdstrand, np, I figured :)
[15:28] <mvo> I see a lot of red tests, did anyone investigate?
[15:36] <zyga> rre
[15:38] <ondra> zyga I fixed test, still running slow ones, but it's looking way better now
[15:38] <zyga> thanks!
[15:50] <zyga> - Download snap "ubuntu-core" (1797) from channel "stable" (received an unexpected http response code (503) when trying to download https://canonical-lgw01.cdn.snapcraft.io/download-origin/canonical-lgw01/b8X2psL1ryVrPt5WEmpYiqfr5emixTd7_1797.snap?token=1562601600_d9a2f9b4f5f2050b5dfa14ea244831be9b8bfd51)
[15:50] <zyga> noise][: ^ https://status.snapcraft.io says it's all good but I've seen a few of those today
[15:51] <zyga> this was strictly after 2019-07-08 12:58:56
[15:51] <zyga> (not sure which TZ is  that, reported by travis)
[15:53] <diddledan> something appears to have changed, and I can't figure out what - the extra menu items for gnome-twitch aren't visible any more: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1vAA2qxd/image.png
[15:53] <zyga> diddledan: when did it change?
[15:53] <diddledan> I can't figure out what I've changed
[15:53] <diddledan> no idea
[15:54] <zyga> ijohnson: do you have time for 5 minute reviews today?
[15:54] <diddledan> I've tried rebuilding an ancient copy that I'm ssure was working in the past and it is also showing the empty menu
[15:55] <noise][> zyga: thx, we'll take a look
[15:55] <zyga> noise][: thank you
[15:55] <ijohnson> zyga: sure I can look at some small stuff in my afternoon
[15:55] <diddledan> it's interesting that there's a gap where the items should be, but it's only the size of one extra item when I think there should be more than one item in there
[15:55] <zyga> ijohnson: two simple PRs (with that label) from me
[15:56] <zyga> ijohnson: if you can it would help me move forwarrd
[15:57] <ijohnson> zyga: 7080 and 7078?
[15:57] <zyga> ijohnson: yes
[15:57] <ijohnson> cool I'll take a look in a bit
[15:59] <mvo> sergiusens: silly question, does snapcraft 2.43 not include the pyc files? is that fixed in later snapcraft version? we got a bugreport in the forum that indicates this is the case(?)
[16:07]  * zyga takes a break until next call
[16:09]  * ijohnson lunches
[16:10] <diddledan> I should do that. a few hours late at 17:10.... oops
[16:10] <diddledan> who needs food?!
[16:12] <mvo> sergiusens: hm, I just tried snapcraft 3.6 and in this snap (https://github.com/phocean/volatility-snap) there is no pyc files, is that expected (cc cjp256)
[16:13] <mvo> ?
[16:13] <mvo> (this is a python2.7 snap fwiw)
[16:14] <cjp256> sergiusens is on holiday today, i'll take a look
[16:15] <cjp256> in old versions of snapcraft, did it snap up the pyc files?
[16:15] <mvo> cjp256: no, no pyc files in both new and old
[16:16] <mvo> cjp256: I can (probably) workaround this by adding "python -m compileall ." during the build, I'm trying this now. but my understand was that snapcraft would do that (or something similar) for me automtically(?)
[16:17] <cjp256> ok, i haven't had a reason to look at how the python plugin works yet, but this is as good a reason as any :) i'll get back to you
[16:19] <mvo> cjp256: thanks, no rush, I will add my findings in the forum, its almost EOD here anyway :)
[16:33] <zyga> today is a day lost for travis
[16:39] <cjp256> mvo: fwiw, snapcraft itself compiles pyc files in override-prime: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L100
[16:40] <mvo> cjp256: interessting, for some reason that seems to have not worked when I build this example snap, maybe I did something wrong
[16:42] <mvo> cjp256: I can try a fresh build on a different machine tomorrow but for me the pyc files are currently missing
[16:43] <cjp256> did you add anything to the snapcraft yaml?
[16:43] <cjp256> the compileall?
[16:44] <cjp256> i should perhaps clarify: it appears that snapcraft's snapcraft.yaml explicitly does compileall in its override-prime in order to ship pyc files
[16:45] <mvo> zyga: do you know from the top of your head if/how I can disable seccomp in devmode (i.e. I don't even want complain mode, just nothing if possible)
[16:45] <mvo> cjp256: I ran the compileall in the prime dir and used that, its a bit of a tangent for my real investigation, I just happend to notice the pyc files are missing
[16:48] <cjp256> when using pip, it's directed to --no-compile (https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/snapcraft/plugins/_python/_pip.py#L352) and appears filtered from snap_fileset  (https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/snapcraft/plugins/python.py#L440) - but that's just a cursory glance and I haven't traced what's happening in this case yet.
[16:51] <mvo> cjp256: the snap is using the "python" plugin: https://github.com/phocean/volatility-snap/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml
[16:51] <zyga> mvo: no, devmode does not disable seccomp
[16:51] <zyga> mvo: you must use classic for that
[16:51] <mvo> zyga: yeah, just @complain - I switched to @unrestricted now
[16:52] <mvo> zyga: for testing
[16:52] <zyga> yeah that will work
[16:52] <mvo> zyga: context is the "Concerns about performance" forum post
[16:53] <zyga> aha
[16:53] <zyga> good thinking
[16:55] <mvo> zyga: updated the post with some more numbers, need to have dinner now
[17:12] <zyga> mvo: danke
[18:31] <plars> ogra: hi, I'm trying to limit ram for some testing on core with rpi using mem= set in the cmdline.txt, but so far it only gets as far as "Starting kernel..." and stops. Is this not possible on pi for some reason you can think of? I've tried 512M and 768M so far
[18:33] <ogra> hmm, it shouldnt block your boot, are you sure you dont have any syntax errors or some such ?
[18:34] <plars> ogra: all I did was add " mem=512M" to cmdline.txt
[18:34] <plars> if I take it out, it boots fine
[18:36] <ogra> weird ... probably related to the pi bootloader though
[18:36] <ogra> since it inits the GPU (and such the videoram) before powering up the arm SoC
[18:40] <ogra> perhaps try setting gpu_mem=16 (default is 64) in your config.txt
[18:41] <ogra> there is also disable_l2cache=1 you could try so the kernel doesnt use L2 from the CPU (but not sure if the kernel can cope without nay L2 at all)
[18:41] <ogra> s/CPU/GPU/
[18:42] <plars> ogra: hmm, not helping so far
[18:51] <plars> ogra: ah, ok I may have found a workaround by setting total_mem in config.txt instead of mem= in cmdline.txt
[18:52] <plars> ogra: thanks for the ideas!
[19:12] <cmatsuoka> what's the best way to build a kernel snap from kernel debs?
[19:28] <ogra> plars, awesome ... good to know (i didnt kow about that option)
[19:28] <ogra> *know


[08:44] <sagaci> hmmm, the translation stats have partially updated but most are still showing up as untranslated
[12:22] <sagaci> Hi, I'd like some help with updating language packs, the base pack, dated 26th Oct is a bit over a month old and for en_AU that's seen a lot of changes... I'm guessing you just download the latest "delta" package from here -- https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+language-packs  and then just somehow merge them, or have I got it wrong
[12:23] <sagaci> merge them with the older base pack*
[13:21] <andrejz> hello dpm!
[13:21] <andrejz> can you take a look at templates priority, when you have time? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak3RvMevQNNMdFV6eDV1U29Ea3JpUUQ2SkNKTUNYZHc&hl=en_US#gid=1
[13:22] <sagaci> ah I get it, you download the base pack and the latest delta pack, then you just cp the files into the base pack dir and then you get the most up-to-date version of each package
[13:25] <dpm> andrejz, sure, but not today, I'll try to go through them by the end of the week
[13:25] <andrejz> ok, cool
[13:55] <sagaci> I'm just cruising away grepping at strings from this updated base pack, looking for strings of "color" and there's a template in the base pack in umbrello.po which doesn't look to be a template on the ubuntu main template pages... any ideas?
[14:02] <sagaci> also plasma_applet_binaryclock missing from templates