[02:34] <Thorondor> Elleo: Interesting discussion the one you pointed out. Unfortunately it seems it didn't settle into a plan of actions. However somone suggested separating app into daemon/UI components and seemd to me that this is possible as of today. Not sure though.
[02:35] <dobey> Thorondor: for IM? i think there is already a telepathy daemon running in the background
[02:38] <Thorondor> dobey: In that case it should be possible to get access to multiple Messaging services by using it, and we just need to connect the messaging app to it in a way that everytime the app gets the focus it shows you the state of your active IM services. However we would need a notification callback to handle new messages too.
[02:39] <dobey> Thorondor: i'm pretty sure there is already some sort of notification support for sms, the same should be used for im
[02:39] <Thorondor> dobey: Sure
[02:44] <Thorondor> dobey: Do you know how can I writ ethe pipe character in the terminal app on touch?
[02:44] <Thorondor> I want to check if there's *telepathy* running
[02:45] <Thorondor> ps -A|grep telepathy
[02:48] <dobey> no idea
[02:48] <Thorondor> hehe, there's a lot to improve :)
[02:48] <Thorondor> I think only CTRL+ signals are handled right now
[02:49] <Thorondor> The keyboard for terminal should have a special layout
[02:49] <Thorondor> By the way, there's a telepathy-mission-control package
[02:49] <Thorondor> So, as you said it should be running back there
[02:50] <dobey> why not use adb shell and do ps afx in there?
[03:10] <Thorondor> dobey: Because I'm just learning Ubuntu touch, I first try what I'm used to use. Thanks for the suggestion
[03:12] <dobey> Thorondor: you've developed any apps for android before?
[03:16] <Thorondor> My first phone is my current nexus 4, and I bought it because I believe Ubuntu Touch is what I want to use. So I'm just starting in this context. Didn't want to try Android for development.
[03:18] <Thorondor> I don't want a phone, I want a portable computer with ubuntu and phone capabilities
[03:20] <dobey> Ah. Well, the full convergence story is a long way off.
[03:21] <Thorondor> Yeah, but it seems like a good moment to start playing with it
[03:22] <Thorondor> Solving IM and mail client, I can try to use it regularly
[03:22] <Thorondor> then push for power consumption
[03:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, :D
[03:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, the ui is fantastic. I can't wait to get my first official device.
[03:43] <Thorondor> Aki-Thinkpad: Yes, it looks pretty good. I still don't like the white background, but for sure could be customized.
[03:43] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, oh they will probably include a high contrast theme, and a darker background
[03:43] <Thorondor> I like dark background, saves battery too
[03:44] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, do you know how to get started in app development? I don't mind walking you through the basics
[03:45] <Thorondor> Well, I have been reading a bit. But didn't go to the details yet. I already got a branch from messaging-app in my pc
[03:45] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, yah you are probably fine :P
[03:46] <Thorondor> I have to see how the croxx compiling is being done
[03:46] <Thorondor> cross compiling
[03:46] <Thorondor> and the procedure to get my experimental code tested on my device
[03:47] <Thorondor> I have the feeling that things are not being done the same way it works on the desktop
[03:48] <Thorondor> I'll have to give the IDE a try
[03:55] <Thorondor> So, in summary: We have a telepathy daemon running on the phone already. The phone-app is a telepathy client app and so has to be the messaging-app to handle IM. So I should try to enhance messaging app to be a generig IM app.
[03:56] <Thorondor> Time to sleep now, but seems like I have a plan to go. Nest move would be to take a look at the recommended development flow from code to test on the target device (nexus 4)
[03:57] <Thorondor> Thanks a lot guys for the feedback and help
[03:57] <Thorondor> Aki-Thinkpad: Thanks for the help offer. I'll remember that if I got any issues trying to follow the development flow.
[03:58] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, If I can, i'll help :P
[03:58] <Aki-Thinkpad> i am far from expert
[03:59] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, please though come hang out in #ubuntu-app-devel
[03:59] <Thorondor> It doesn't matter. It's just about getting the different bits of knowledge together and make it work. I'm just starting to document myself about the touch development model.
[04:00] <Thorondor> Aki-Thinkpad: Ok, I will thanks
[04:00] <Aki-Thinkpad> o/
[04:01] <Thorondor> Ok, Good Night
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu touch has new image togheter with trusty release?
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> i would like to retry it on my nexus7
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> can someone confirm if flip horizontal have been fixxed on ubuntu-touch on nexus7??
[04:53] <wponso> i am new here and wanna use ubuntu touch in Iron Rock Motorola Iden/3G device
[04:54] <wponso> does anyone could send me more information about??
[04:54] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, have you checked the ubuntu devices wiki?
[04:55] <wponso> Yes, Aki, but I cant find information about the Iden part
[04:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[04:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> Iden?
[04:55] <wponso> Iden is the Nextel type of carrier phone
[04:55] <wponso> there are GSM, WCDMA and nothing abonut Iden
[04:56] <wponso> Iron Rock = XT626 Morotola
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> will this guide install latest touch on my nexus? http://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu-touch-nexus-7-2013/
[04:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, I am no expert here, so take this with a grain of salt
[04:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, but I do not think anyone has made an image for your device yet
[04:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> ie, if you want to get ubuntu touch working on that phone, it looks like you will have to port it yourself
[04:58] <wponso> Yes Aki, I know that anyone done this, but If I have more document about, I can start this
[04:58] <wponso> ...and share it :D
[04:59] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, I would start by finding the android version code name for your device
[04:59] <wponso> Android 2.3
[04:59] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, for my own part, I tried porting a later release for a nook tablet, but found myself overwhelmed with the complexity
[05:00] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, that is not what I mean.
[05:00] <wponso> sure
[05:00] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, every device has a code name
[05:00] <wponso> Wait a little minute
[05:00] <wponso> Ginger Bread
[05:00] <Aki-Thinkpad> *facepalm*
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> nope, thats not what I mean either
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> :P
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> here
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad>  Galaxy Nexus
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad>
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> maguro (GSM/HSPA+ Variant)
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> Nexus 4
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad>
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> mako
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> Nexus 7
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad>
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> grouper
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> Nexus 10
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad>
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> manta
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> ergo, galaxy nexus == maguro
[05:01] <Aki-Thinkpad> nexus4 == mako
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> Aki-Thinkpad: did you test the nex touch yet?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> new
[05:02] <wponso> I thing that I need some drivers to get the succesfull port
[05:02] <Aki-Thinkpad> lotuspsychje, not yet. I don't have a device to even use it on.
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> Aki-Thinkpad: ok tnx im gonna retry it then
[05:02] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, do you have any experience with android and its kernel?
[05:02] <wponso> no I am not test the new touch, I wann try with this device
[05:03] <wponso> I ported other devices to new android versions, but never try with Ubuntu
[05:03] <wponso> tryed
[05:03] <wponso> tried, sorry
[05:03] <wponso> :)
[05:04] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, well that is a start. XDA forums might be a good place to start, or askubuntu
[05:04] <wponso> XDA has fell documents about ubuntu, more about Android.
[05:04] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, Its complicated; I gave up, and that was with an existing image.
[05:05] <Aki-Thinkpad> But I have little patience for documentation
[05:05] <Aki-Thinkpad> Anyways, good luck; I need to get back to work on my app :p
[05:06] <wponso> ok, I will try contact with askubuntu, but my impression is that they don't share many information about
[05:06] <wponso> tks for patience and time
[05:06] <wponso> good lucky
[05:12] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, askubuntu is pretty good, but you have to know how to ask.
[05:12] <Aki-Thinkpad> wponso, and you can put bounties on your question
[05:13] <wponso> I will try, but I found old solutions out of UbuntuAsk, in the past. Some of theese questions was ignored (it was my impression). But I will try (I am doing this now)
[05:22] <wponso> Hey Aki, that is my post http://askubuntu.com/questions/451117/porting-ubuntu-touch-on-motorola-xt624-iron-rock
[06:41] <nerve2009> hii.. i want to put the ubuntu touch on my samsung galaxy note n7000. i have followed the guide at ubuntu wiki as they provide.. the problem is, i can't boot my device (hold power button + volume down + home)
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> whats the command to install new ubuntu touch?
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> wiki shows the developing version
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> this is what i get on my nexus7
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBoX:~$ ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty --bootstrap
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> 2014/04/20 09:38:44 Device is |flo|
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> 2014/04/20 09:38:45 Flashing version 302 from trusty channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device flo
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> 2014/04/20 09:39:10 Get https://system-image.ubuntu.com/gpg/image-master.tar.xz.asc: EOF
[08:11] <j_huddle> Hi there, I'm wondering if anyone can help me anwer a few questions about device compatibility...
[08:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> they always leave so quickly
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> whats the command to install the new ubuntu-touch? wiki shows still the dev version
[13:33] <Aki-Thinkpad> lotuspsychje, report that as a bug.
[13:34] <Aki-Thinkpad> lotuspsychje, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal
[13:35] <Aki-Thinkpad> presuming that it is outdated
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> well im not sure
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> cant find any tutorial on the new touch version
[13:36] <Aki-Thinkpad> lotuspsychje, why not just download the dev version?
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> Aki-Thinkpad, ive tested the dev version already
[13:36] <Aki-Thinkpad> o_O
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> Aki-Thinkpad, thats not the same as new ubuntu touch right?
[13:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> :)
[13:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> don't know. I am assuming (not an expert here), that no stable release will be made until they get it on the phone.
[13:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> their bq phones etc
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> Aki-Thinkpad, i found articles about they released a new ubuntu touch
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> togheter with 14.04
[13:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> shows you what I know~
[13:38] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: it's just a matter of setting what channel you want with ubuntu-device-flash, e.g. --channel=stable (or --channel=trusty) will give you stable, --channel=devel will give you devel and --channel=devel-proposed will give you the most experimental images
[13:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> oh interesting
[13:39] <Elleo> you won't see much difference between devel and stable at the moment though, I think they're probably the same image since I don't think anything has been promoted to devel since the release
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, do you know if the new version fixxed horizontal flip?
[13:39] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: in what way?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, yes but the image has changed then the image from few weeks ago right?
[13:39] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: yes
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, ive installed ubuntu touch dev version on my nexus7 weeks ago
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, so the plan is to test the newer version right now
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, but the guide to install i followed, didnt work anymore
[13:40] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: what about it didn't work?
[13:41] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install is pretty much the definitive guide
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, after the command to download, it failed on me
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> http://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu-touch-nexus-7-2013/
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, after this line: ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty --bootstrap
[13:42] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: if you've already got an image you don't want to follow those instructions
[13:42] <Elleo> those are for setting up a clean image
[13:42] <Elleo> just "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty" is enough
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> gave me aok lemme retry that one holdon
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, and that will install latest trusty image right?
[13:44] <Elleo> yes
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx :p
[13:44] <Elleo> although if you're interested in testing the latest (relatively stable) stuff in the future you'll want to flash the devel channel
[13:45] <Elleo> the trusty image won't change much from this point since it's "stable" now
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, i wanna try the most stable release that came out togheter with trusty
[13:45] <Elleo> (at the moment trusty and devel are identical, but that won't be the case when people start working again next week)
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, isnt there an update function after from terminal?
[13:46] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: there's a gui update function in the system settings
[13:46] <Elleo> iirc it only works if you don't enable a writable image
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> ic
[13:47] <Elleo> but the trusty image won't be changing any more, so the next update on that channel will be in (presumably) 6 months time with the next release
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> thats np
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> if i can see the renewed touch ill be glad
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, lotuspsychje@R00TB00K:~$ adb reboot bootloader
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB00K:~$ ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> 2014/04/20 15:49:57 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface...
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> 2014/04/20 15:49:57 exit status 255
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> this is what i get
[13:51] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: is your device booted up and connected?
[13:52] <Elleo> it should just be running normal in UT
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, oh ok
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> from android?
[13:52] <Elleo> no, Ubuntu Touch
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> i dont have touch installed on it yet
[13:52] <Elleo> ah, sorry, when you said you'd installed an earlier image I assumed you still had it installed
[13:53] <Elleo> in that case you do want the --bootstrap option
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:53] <Elleo> and yes, you want to be in android at the time
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> lets try :p
[13:54] <Elleo> oh no hang on
[13:54] <Elleo> for bootstrap you need to be in the bootloader
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> yes thats where i go
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> adb reboot bootloader
[13:54] <Elleo> is the bootloader unlocked?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:54] <Elleo> and the device is in usb debugging mode?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> yes :p
[13:54] <Elleo> in that case I don't know why it's not being detected by adb
[13:55] <Elleo> best thing I can suggest is to run through the steps here and see if there's anything you might have missed/those other instructions missed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> yesss
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> there it goes
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB00K:~$ ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty --bootstrap
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> 2014/04/20 15:55:38 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> 2014/04/20 15:55:38 Device is |flo|
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> 2014/04/20 15:55:39 Flashing version 302 from trusty channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device flo
[13:56] <Elleo> ah, cool
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> so channel trusty would be the latest stable 14.04 touch version?
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> and channel dev the develope version?
[13:57] <Elleo> yes
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> there are so many folders on that index
[13:58] <Elleo> the basic procedure at the moment is that work happens in "devel-proposed", then if it doesn't fail too many import tests it gets promoted to "devel", then every ~6 months the latest "devel" image gets promoted to the "stable" channel
[13:58] <Elleo> I would suspect that might change a bit once consumer releases are available, as there might well be ongoing maintenance work on the "stable" channel or something too, but I'm just guessing there
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> i see, every folder new stage
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> well you guys done great work, congrats for that
[14:00] <Elleo> :)
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> it can only get better the comming time
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> i dont wanna get stuck on insecure android
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> ok downloading done and showing purple ubuntu screen
[14:07] <Elleo> first boot will take a while
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu wheel turning :p
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, it worked mate tnx alot!
[14:13] <Elleo> great :)
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> looking good :p
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> much smoother then last image
[14:25] <Elleo> good
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> it might be interesting to share that to users somehow Elleo
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> that ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty --bootstrap
[14:26] <Elleo> well it's pretty much all on the wiki page, althought perhaps not as well explained as it could be
[14:26] <Elleo> although*
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> i only saw a few video's on youtube running the new image yet
[14:26] <Elleo> the focus there is on getting people on to the devel image since that's where most new stuff happens
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> ah i understand
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> so channel=devel with also get latest 'test' version of the renewed trusty right?
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> and from there users can help the community?
[14:29] <Elleo> yeah, pretty much
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> tnx alot for the clear info :p
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> happy nexus user now here
[14:30] <Elleo> good :)
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> is it possible to install classic terminal packages as nmap or so?
[14:32] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: yep, if you switch to having a writable image by doing "phablet-config writable-image"
[14:32] <Elleo> you can then just do "sudo apt-get install nmap"
[14:32] <Elleo> (default password is "phablet")
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, can i add that phablet line in terminal?
[14:33] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: you need to do that from your desktop machine
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> ah okay
[14:33] <Elleo> (with the tablet/phone attached via usb)
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> and can i change the default root pass?
[14:33] <Elleo> yep
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> nicely
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> installing phablet-tools :p
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB00K:~$ phablet-config writable-image
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> PING launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> worked
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> and my new trusty desktop shows nexus icon mounted
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> thats sweet
[14:44] <Elleo> :)
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, phablet worked as root, now how do i change root pass?
[14:48] <Elleo> lotuspsychje: just run passwd as phablet
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> lets see
[14:48] <Elleo> there isn't a root password as such, since it's using sudo
[14:48] <Elleo> so it authenticates phablet as root via phablet's own password (just like on desktop Ubuntu)
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> passwd: password update succesfully
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> and installing nmap
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> yes yes
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> Elleo, your the lifesaver of the day :p
[14:51] <Elleo> glad to be of help :)
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:12] <echoe> How does ubuntu touch perform on the nexus 7 let, anyone know?
[18:12] <echoe> I mean lte
[18:12] <Tassadar> the 2013 version?
[18:13] <echoe> Yeah.
[18:13] <Tassadar> only the wifi version is officialy supported, and it works pretty well on it
[18:14] <echoe> I have it on a nexus 4 and it's ... Disappointing right now. ...... oh, well then
[18:14] <Tassadar> I maintain unofficial server with daily builds for the lte version, and the mobile data work on it
[18:14] <Tassadar> it's not gonna work better than n4
[18:14] <echoe> alas. Thanks for the answer though.
[18:14] <Tassadar> the OS is still very much in development, so yeah
[18:15] <echoe> Yeah ... I heard summer was the target for a usable daily driver?
[18:16] <echoe> Hopefully it'll be much better in a few months :)
[18:16] <Tassadar> "daily driver" is rather relative term
[18:16] <Tassadar> many people here use it daily and are fine with it, but for me it's not there yet
[18:21] <bacteu> I suppose if you use it daily you forget how much more responsive android is in comparison
[19:30] <echoe> it really is relative. Idk, I have an iphone so it would have to do a lot. :p
[19:38] <bacteu> echoe: iphones do what they do well. Maybe once ubuntu touch moves beyond just basic smartphone stuff and onto the meaty stuff like docking it will become interesting
[19:39] <echoe> definitely. I mean, first one would hope they can work on the keyboard a bit ... idk. Maybe I'll look into it and can code ubuntu touch swype. x.x and make it so the keyboard doesn't hang out so much or at least has a button to close ...
[19:41] <Tassadar> in my opinion, it is a bit unfair to compare ubuntu touch, which doesn't even have it's own device released, with systems which have been out for years right now
[19:42] <bacteu> meh, all it would have to take is canonical to license myriad's alien dalvik like jolla are doing or implement their own.. and boom ubuntu had android apps
[19:42] <Elleo> echoe: you can close the keyboard by swiping down from the top of it
[19:44] <bacteu> imo ubuntu should have gone with more of a softkey approach rather than the guestures
[19:44] <bacteu> I'm not really sold
[19:59] <dobey> bacteu: eh, gestures are fine as long as they're done right. softkeys tend to be a pain. for webos for example has all the gestures pretty much perfect
[19:59] <bacteu> has canonical hired anyone who worked on webos?
[20:00] <bacteu> or did google grab them all?
[20:03] <dobey> i don't know if anyone who worked on webos works at canonical (i didn't personally know anyone that worked on webos, at least afaik)
[20:06] <bacteu> dobey: Matias Duarte comes to mind.
[20:07] <dobey> i don't know him
[20:07] <bacteu> hes the guy behind android's current look
[20:08] <dobey> ok
[20:10] <echoe> It would be nice if there were more hints built into the is about how to do things
[20:10] <echoe> *os
[20:10] <dobey> in android?
[20:11] <echoe> Like, is there a way to close an open process in ubuntu?
[20:11] <echoe> No, in ubuntu touch
[20:11] <dobey> swipe all the way across the screen from the left edge, long press on the app under "Recent" in the apps scope, and then press on the [x] that shows up
[20:29] <echoe> See I thought I could flick them away like webos
[20:29] <echoe> I'll try that when I get home ...
[20:47] <lakin> So I know the instructions here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install - say that it can take a long time, but how long should I be staring at a spinning ubuntu logo with an orange progress bar?  It's already been about 2 hours.
[20:49] <lakin> The terminal where I issued the `ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap` command has long since given me back my control so it doesn't seem as if my box is actively doing anything with the device. (A nexus 7 2013 if that matters)
[22:00] <lakin> Ok, using the recovery to wipe/format /data and the cache and then trying again worked. :)
[23:07] <proxypirate> Hello ubuntu-touch users!
[23:09] <proxypirate> Hey guys so I have ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 flo model tablet....but what I am wonder is if ubuntu touch is still being updated?
[23:10] <proxypirate>  I installed ubuntu touch about 1.5 months ago so I want to know if I download ubuntu touch and flash it again if any new updates have taken place
[23:12] <bacteu> not really
[23:12] <bacteu> I mean, of course there's been updates
[23:12] <bacteu> but.. you know..
[23:12] <proxypirate> Nothing too significant
[23:14] <proxypirate> Ubuntu touch was one of thr reasons I went out and bought the nexus 7 flo
[23:14] <proxypirate> I cant wait till it is 100%
[23:15] <proxypirate>  I am now debating whether or not to buy the nexus 5 or the htc one m8
[23:15] <proxypirate> the nexus 5 has ubuntu touch available right?
[23:15] <bacteu> the nexus 5 would be about half the price I'd imagine
[23:15] <bacteu> proxypirate: no official builds yet, but there's community builds
[23:16] <proxypirate> For nexus 5?
[23:16] <bacteu> yes
[23:17] <proxypirate>  Ya...the nexus 5 is a great phone but I would order the 32Gb from google since none of the US wireless carriers are offering the 32gb model in stores
[23:17] <proxypirate> the htc m8 comes with 32gb internal storage and has takes sdcards up to 128gb
[23:18] <proxypirate> But there is way more available for the nexus 5...
[23:18] <proxypirate> Decisions decisions
[23:26] <Randy_O> I'm trying to run a QML app on my nexus 4 and I've been getting this error "/usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_run_app finished with code 255" This has worked before, suddenly stopped


[12:11] <ahasenack> good morning
[13:48] <xnox> smoser:  but there are syncs from bileto/security/PPA builds into stable series, i don't know if all of them end up in focal-changes or not.
[13:49] <xnox> i don't know where/how focal-changes gets its changes =)
[14:03] <smoser> xnox: well if there are changes that go into -security that don't get published to that list, then i have a big sad face here.
[14:15] <pitti> cpaelzer: \o/ thanks! great debugging work
[14:16] <pitti> cpaelzer: time and again, patch size ~ 1/debugging time
[14:16] <cpaelzer> yep
[14:16] <cpaelzer> let us hope the PPA works as expected ...
[14:17] <pitti> lemme test
[14:29] <LocutusOfBorg> tumbleweed, hello
[14:29] <LocutusOfBorg> are you available to talk a little bit about esys-particle?
[14:29] <LocutusOfBorg> I got some findings
[14:30] <LocutusOfBorg> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VQQc5D4GZC/
[14:41] <xnox> smoser:
[14:41] <xnox> https://www.google.com/search?q=grub2+2.04-1ubuntu26.12+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Ffocal-changes%2F&ei=APhOYsfpHMvVgQa-kJqgBw&ved=0ahUKEwjH6dS9l4L3AhXLasAKHT6IBnQQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=grub2+2.04-1ubuntu26.12+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Flists.ubuntu.com%2Farchives%2Ffocal-changes%2F&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EANKBAhBGAFKBAhGGABQwARYwARghgdoAXAAeACAASWIASWSAQExmAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wi
[14:41] <xnox> z
[14:41] <xnox> bah
[14:41] <xnox> smoser:  so focal-security has grub2 2.04-1ubuntu26.12 and when i do google search for "grub2 2.04-1ubuntu26.12 site:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/focal-changes/ site:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/focal-changes/" nothing seems to come up
[14:41] <xnox> with correct search syntax
[14:42] <xnox> oh, but it is there
[14:42] <xnox> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/focal-changes/2021-June/025366.html
[14:42] <xnox> and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/focal-changes/2021-June/025057.html
[14:42] <xnox> hm but that was direct upload
[14:43] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/2.04-1ubuntu26.11 was a copy
[14:44] <xnox> and i don't see  grub2 2.04-1ubuntu26.11 in the june archive
[14:44] <xnox> smoser:  ^^^^
[14:46] <smoser> :big_sad_face: ☹
[14:47] <smoser> that sucks. so there is really *no* way of knowing other than watching archive updates ?
[14:51] <smoser> on a related note, and in an effort to practice saying more nice things, https://ubuntu.com/security/cves is really nice. kudos to whoever worked on that.
[14:57] <xnox> yeah that portal was web-team & security team collab, and it is like data driven by opal data which one can get.
[14:57] <xnox> smoser:  if you are into security updates; opal data should have all cve  stuff.
[14:58] <smoser> i just want all the things ;)
[14:58] <xnox> but then again not everything that lands in security pocket, has CVE or USN ids assigned.
[14:58] <xnox> cause we land FTBFS fixes into -security too, when it affects installing upgrades.
[14:58] <xnox> (i.e. dkms module FTBFS, prevents kernel upgrade installs)
[15:19] <tumbleweed> LocutusOfBorg: yeah, I got about that far as well
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> tumbleweed,
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> esysparticle test.py
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ['/tmp/merges/esys-particle-2.3.5+dfsg2', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/home/locutus/.local/lib/python3.8/site-packages', '/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.8/dist-packages']
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> on focal
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> looks a python regression to me
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> the distutils change
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> tumbleweed, my guess is python.m4. we patched in automake-1.16 but esys is running its own embedded and patched copy
[17:18] <ogayot> xnox: after fighting with quilt to reduce the overall diff, I've finally come up with a new patch that applies on top of the others. Thanks again for your pointers! LP 1967518
[17:49] <vorlon> juliank: well I don't have much occasion to use ltrace but https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/418876 is quite surprising to me; is there a bug report about this?
[17:50] <juliank> vorlon: I have not checked, but I've tried hello, dpkg, apt, ltrace did not do anything
[17:50] <vorlon> no bug reports
[17:50] <vorlon> hmm
[17:51] <juliank> vorlon: perhaps nobody uses it?
[17:51] <vorlon> juliank: we're late in the cycle and demoting something straight from standard to universe in one go post FF should have a high threshold of care.  Can you post on ubuntu-devel and try to get some feedback before we demote it?
[17:51] <juliank> vorlon: ack
[17:51] <vorlon> I *assumed* it still worked, but also I clearly haven't actually used it in years because strace is better than ltrace for most things!
[17:51] <vorlon> (or gdb)
[17:55] <juliank> vorlon: sent
[17:56] <juliank> Should test in Debian too and file RM RoQA maybe
[17:59] <juliank> vorlon: it works on Debian
[17:59] <juliank> vorlon: odd
[18:00] <juliank> maybe it's LTO and not PIE then?
[23:59] <tumbleweed> LocutusOfBorg: I still haven't figured it out. It *does* setup sys.path correctly, but then something deletes things from it again


[00:00] <wxl> how can i quickly make a shortcut to, say, a libreoffice document on the desktop?
[00:01] <wxl> drag and drop doesn't really do a swell job.
[00:40] <jman074> lordievader
[00:40] <jman074> how are you
[00:41] <jman074> if i am the administrator how is it that i down now have permission to change one of my files?
[00:42] <jman074> ^ do not
[00:51] <Enkidu_ak> jman074, Which file and what do you mean by administrator? Are you currently logged in as root?
[00:52] <jman074> im logged into the administrator account and i need to be able to drop a file into lib64 that i made but its saying im  not the owner
[00:54] <Enkidu_ak> jman074, lib64 is owned by root. Try copying the file from console using sudo
[00:54] <Enkidu_ak> Or use kdesudo to open dolphin with root privs and drop the file there
[00:55] <jman074> okay im not usin kubuntu
[00:55] <jman074> just regular ubuntu
[00:56] <jman074> how exactly would i do it with the console
[00:57] <Enkidu_ak> jman074,  sudo cp <file> /lib64/
[00:57] <Enkidu_ak> Or gksu nautilus and drop it in
[00:57] <Enkidu_ak> In the case of gnome
[00:58] <jman074> let me try
[00:59] <jman074> missing destination file operand after `cackey_0.6.8-1_amd64/lib64/'
[01:00] <Enkidu_ak> You didn't put a space between the file and the destination
[01:00] <jman074> oops
[01:01] <Enkidu_ak> sudo cp cackey_0.6.8-1_amd64 /lib64/
[01:53] <jman074> Enkidu_ak
[01:53] <jman074>  cannot stat `cackey_0.6.8-1_amd64': No such file or directory
[02:06] <jman074> enkidu_ak are you still here
[02:07] <carl_friend> thanks I fell asleep
[02:14] <jman074> okay so i made a directory called lib64 now i need to put a file from my downloads folder in this directory from the terminal how do i do this
[02:51] <Enkidu_ak> jmpiloq, You have made a directory? You are not trying to drop the file in the system ./lib64 directory then?
[02:52] <Enkidu_ak> Er, that should have been jman074
[02:52] <Enkidu_ak> And he's gone...
[08:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:02] <tam_tam> hello guys :)
[16:14] <urgodfather> hello room, has anyone had any problems with the intel 6235 wireless card with kubuntu?
[16:18] <ahoneybun> urgodfather: I don't have that card sorry, I'm using a wireless usb dongle
[16:32] <BluesKaj> urgodfather, have you looked in kmenu >apps>system>additional drivers
[17:19] <hundinderpfanne> hiho
[17:20] <fractaline> oh hi
[17:51] <frank____> hi
[17:57] <luc4_linux> Hi! I'm trying to replace my home directory with another one where I mount via fstab a partition. I tried to mv my old home into old_home and mkdir a new home dir. What happens is that when I reboot, the system is not booting, remains at the splash. Any idea why?
[18:02] <txwikinger> luc4_linux: You cannot login into KDE desktop without a home dir
[18:03] <txwikinger> Can you use the console to fix that?
[18:03] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: I set fstab to mount the partition on /home. I created /home myself. mount -a mounted the partition correctly. I fixed already by rebooting in recovery mode, remounting rw and fixing. Anyway... still would like to do that :-)
[18:06] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: question is: why isn't the system liking my new home? I copied it from the previous using rsync...
[18:06] <txwikinger> not sure.... did the hidden dirs copy?
[18:07] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: yes... I followed the ubuntu guide anyway...
[18:08] <txwikinger> do you have any error messages? Maybe in /var/log ?
[18:08] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: other strange thing: after I mount -a, and opened konsole, konsole went to the old_home/user.
[18:08] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: let me check
[18:09] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: what log exactly in /var/log?
[18:09] <txwikinger> probably most likely syslog
[18:11] <luc4_linux> that is cleared on reboot right?
[18:11] <txwikinger> no
[18:11] <txwikinger> dmesg is
[18:12] <txwikinger> but most dmeg messages are also in syslog
[18:14] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: I don't see anything strange... I'll try again... let's see if something changes...
[18:27] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: seems fine now :-) thanks
[18:27] <txwikinger> luc4_linux: good.. hope you don't have any troubles any more
[18:28] <luc4_linux> txwikinger: thanks!
[19:41] <anon_> hi, i just reinstall newest Kubuntu, and switch lanuage, but now is like 60% english? Whats wrong?
[19:45] <anon_> anyone here?
[19:46] <oye> And what's supposed to be?
[19:46] <anon_> for example: Sestem Setting -> Regional
[19:46] <anon_> I have set language to polsih, but all tabs ar in english
[19:47] <anon_> but title in polish
[19:47] <anon_> before i reinstall it, all was in polsih
[19:47] <anon_> Dolphin all in english
[19:49] <anon_> oye: what do you think?
[19:59] <kkerwin> Hi, I'm having some difficulties getting a synaptics touchpad working under ubuntu. I have the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package installed, but xorg doesn't seem to be detecting it.
[20:01] <sam___> i need help pls
[20:01] <sam___> thanks
[20:01] <anon_> Locales ar broken...?
[20:02] <kkerwin> !question | sam___
[20:05] <sam___> i kubuntu 14.03  and like to know how to Turn off the Destop Napping in 14.03 thanks
[20:06] <sam___> + i am new to Linux :)
[20:07] <sam___> ?
[20:09] <kkerwin> sam___: One moment.
[20:10] <kkerwin> sam___: K Menu -> System Settings -> Energy Saving. Play around with the settings in there.
[20:10] <sam___> ?
[20:11] <kkerwin> sam___: If you click on the K Menu in your lower-left corner of the screen, then underneath the K Menu look for System Settings, and then in the system settings window look for energy saving ... you'll be good.
[20:11] <sam___> i do not see Energy Saving
[20:11] <kkerwin> sam___: Scroll down.
[20:12] <kkerwin> sam___: Power Management.
[20:12] <kkerwin> sam___: My bad.
[20:12] <kkerwin> Heh
[21:23] <ronalds> hello
[21:24] <ronalds> I have problems with kdenlive today, as it doesn't renders the file fully
[21:26] <ronalds> it gots stuck at almost completing file
[21:27] <ronalds> it's disturbing
[23:21] <elijah> elijah
[23:23] <elijah_> ok, I have a good one for you guys
[23:24] <elijah_> I am working on accessing my schools virtual lab
[23:24] <elijah_> I need the Citrix reciever application
[23:24] <elijah_> anyway after I hack it to bits to work
[23:25] <elijah_> I get the error: (wfica:3888): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve"
[23:25] <elijah_> Any Ideas?


[04:15] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
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[05:15] <mazal> Mornings
[05:30] <Kilos> morning all
[05:34] <TheMurdz> Morning morning!
[05:37] <mazal> Hi Kilos , TheMurdz
[05:37] <TheMurdz> How are you doing on this lovely Tuesday?
[05:38] <mazal> Okish and you ?
[05:39] <mazal> TheMurdz, I really like your courier's communication. Got a sms 7am this morning reminding me that delivery is today between 8am and 4pm. I like these guys , one knows what to expect when
[05:39] <TheMurdz> That's really impressive. I'm even impressed.
[05:40] <mazal> That must be at least 4 sms in total since the weekend. If someone forget it's their own fault
[05:40] <Kilos> hi mazal TheMurdz
[05:40] <TheMurdz> Heya Kilos
[05:40] <mazal> Oom I struggled this morning :(
[05:41] <mazal> Had only 2g and that is dog slow
[05:41] <Kilos> ai!
[05:41] <mazal> Then attached the 2 external antennas , now it's better
[05:41] <mazal> Back on 3g
[05:42] <Kilos> if a router has 2 antenna use them both
[05:42] <mazal> And 1 update is finished :P
[05:42] <Kilos> they are there for a reason
[05:42] <mazal> A bunch to go
[05:42] <Kilos> do 1 a day
[05:42] <Kilos> night
[05:42] <mazal> Just 3 to go actually. 8gig , 7gig and 2.5gig
[05:43] <Kilos> im not sure about router antanna design but i think the 2 make up a dipole
[05:43] <mazal> I expected worse after 6 weeks offline
[05:43] <mazal> I go have breakfast , l8tr
[05:44] <Kilos> even on a yagi, every element is needed to perform properly
[06:14] <mazal> TheMurdz, I received this now:
[06:14] <mazal> https://bin.snyman.info/mmm5k9dz
[06:15] <mazal> By "mobile device" does it mean I can put it in a router , or does it have to be a phone ?
[06:15] <TheMurdz> Ahh alright. Mobile device defines anything with a sim slot. So this could be a router as well.
[06:16] <mazal> kewl
[06:17] <mazal> No need to call anybody ?
[06:18] <mazal> Ok and just received another sms that delivery is today. Shees these guys make sure I am aware of it :)
[06:19] <Kilos> lol
[06:19] <Kilos> just sit there quietly and wait
[06:20] <mazal> Ek raak vreesbevange oom , ek is nie gewoond aan sulke diens nie
[06:20] <Kilos> lol
[06:21] <mazal> Ok onto the next little to-do item. R300 of PSN credit that must be spend asap
[06:38] <TheMurdz> Any guys in here from Liquid Telecom?
[06:51] <inetpro> TheMurdz: not that I'm aware of, why?
[06:51] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[06:54] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[06:58] <pavlushka> Good morning inetpro !
[07:02] <TheMurdz> Morning morning! Wanted to chat to them about the za.archive.ubuntu.com. It's giving some unpleasantly slow connectivity from MTN's side.
[07:02] <inetpro> interesting
[07:03] <Kilos> TheMurdz try switching to another repo
[07:03] <TheMurdz> Cool, Will give that a shot.
[07:04] <inetpro> Kilos: that won't solve the problem
[07:04] <Kilos> nope not if its mtn holding it back
[07:04] <inetpro> ...
[07:05] <chesedo> Morning all
[07:05] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[07:06] <Kilos> inetpro do you remember to the link that maia gave us for all the pics and banners and stuff
[07:06] <Kilos> let karl go wonder through that lot as well
[07:06] <inetpro> Kilos: ask her
[07:06] <Kilos> eish
[07:07] <Kilos> she very busy man
[07:07] <inetpro> I have no idea what you're on about and one email will not kill her
[07:08] <inetpro> oh and I'm not busy anyway
[07:08] <Kilos> man you know all those drawings and cake pics and banner stuffs
[07:09] <Kilos> yes we know you only start work when everyone else goes home
[07:10] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean her blog?
[07:10] <inetpro> http://maiatoday.blogspot.co.za/
[07:12] <Kilos> mailing her
[07:15] <Kilos> i think i gave the link to maaz but cant remember what i called it
[07:15] <Kilos> ai!
[09:04] <Kilos> inetpro she says I uploaded all of our ubuntu assets on this site. http://spreadubuntu.org/ You could also find some official versions of the mascots and logos on the ubuntu wiki itself if I remember correctly.
[09:17] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I have another question
[09:17] <mazal> Telscum gave me 2 numbers 081 180 and 081 183 for problem reports. Are those free numbers when you call from a Telkom sim ?
[09:20] <Kilos> yes from a telkom sim mazal
[09:20] <mazal> Dankie
[09:21] <Kilos> 183 is supposed to got to the data peeps
[09:21] <mazal> They said 180 is accounts and 183 technical
[09:21] <Kilos> but often you it is a help desk that then puts you through
[09:22] <Kilos> 180 is where you get airtime and buy data from fone
[09:22] <TheMurdz> 10210 I think is free from a telkom landline.
[09:22] <Kilos> *180#
[09:22] <Kilos> if you are using a telkom sim you use 180 and 183
[09:23] <TheMurdz> ^^
[09:23] <Kilos> no need for 081 in front
[09:54] <mazal> Oi , the courier is lost
[09:55] <mazal> Phoned me now
[09:55] <Kilos> lol
[09:55] <mazal> And the directions was so clear
[09:57] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[09:57] <Kilos> ai!
[09:58] <Kilos> TheMurdz here comes you next customer
[09:58] <Kilos> when he gets voda to connect
[09:59] <TheMurdz> :D! Just going to be AFK for a little while, feel free to send me a DM if needed, otherwise, I'll respond when I get back.
[09:59] <Kilos> cool ty
[10:01] <superfly> TheMurdz: by the way, we broke CI nicely
[10:01] <superfly> On Friday
[10:05] <mazal> Ok , it arrived , so what did they say , follow the instructions on the pack and put it in router
[10:06] <mazal> First thing I wonder , the guy just dropped it off , he didn't do RICA
[10:07] <Kilos> put it in a fone and call them
[10:08] <mazal> This thing must go into a phone it seems
[10:08] <Kilos> router uses sam sim
[10:08] <Kilos> same
[10:09] <mazal> There is one step that one must dial
[10:10] <Kilos> look for man pages
[10:10] <Kilos> hehe
[10:17] <mazal> Oooh , this aint working
[10:17] <bushtech_> Hi Kilos chatted to TheMurdz already. Now to get the location of closest mtn tower out of mtn to align Yagi
[10:18] <Kilos> aha
[10:18] <bushtech_> we'll see what mtn's level of paranoia is
[10:18] <Kilos> good luck that can be quite tricky at times
[10:18] <mazal> **sigh**
[10:19] <mazal> " There is a problem with your number
[10:19] <bushtech_> yep, did eventually get that out of voda
[10:21] <Kilos> easiest is to ride with a mtn fone and watch the signl get stronger
[10:21] <Kilos> then when you have 5 bars the tower should be vivible
[10:21] <mazal> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:22] <Kilos> what nou mazal
[10:22] <mazal> This thing ain't working
[10:22] <mazal> Their 3rd step fails with error " There is a problem with your number "
[10:22] <Kilos> put it in a fone and call mtn or afrihost
[10:22] <bushtech_> works in town but here where there is few roads it gets tricky
[10:22] <Kilos> igt most likely needs to be ricaed still
[10:23] <Kilos> oh no dirt bike
[10:23] <bushtech_> isn't there a time lag on the sim activations sometimes
[10:23] <Kilos> 24 hours they say but mine have been instant
[10:24] <bushtech_> and get shot for being mistaken as a rhino poacher
[10:24] <Kilos> they will want to see proof of residence i think
[10:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:24] <Kilos> ok then try get the grid co-ords from them
[10:25] <bushtech_> yep, sent them a mail
[10:33] <inetpro> stupid pepperflashplugin-nonfree!!!!
[10:34] <inetpro> what flash plugin do you guys install?
[10:43] <bushtech_> no idea. I see the pepperflashplugin is for Chrome which I don't use
[10:44] <inetpro> bushtech_: it works for Firefox also, but....
[10:45] <inetpro> every time there's an update it requires manual intervention because of the way it downloads a file outside of the apt processes
[10:47] <inetpro> e.g., if you're behind a proxy you need to set the proxy environment before you run the upgrade
[10:49] <inetpro> can't remember now which plugin I used before which did not need this intervention
[10:50] <bushtech_> never needed to install a flashplugin. what do you need it for?
[10:51] <bushtech_> is something not playing?
[11:00] <inetpro> bushtech_: make no mistake I avoid flash where ever possible and stopping it by default with flashblock, sadly some annoying sites still need it
[11:01] <inetpro> bushtech_: for example: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[11:05] <inetpro> oh and Kilos, you can always search through the factoids on Maaz
[11:06] <inetpro> e.g., Maaz: search for values containing materials
[11:22] <Kilos> Maaz: search for values containing materials
[11:22] <Maaz> Kilos: ubuntu materials [1]
[11:23] <Kilos> Maaz ubuntu materials
[11:23] <Maaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials  http://spreadubuntu.org/
[11:23] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[11:26] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[11:26]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:27] <Kilos> inetpro have a couple of cups of coffee , you start working soon
[11:27] <Kilos> ohi superfly thatgraemeguy
[11:28] <Kilos> hi there Mariusoft nice to see you back again
[11:28] <Kilos> and anton_may as well also too
[11:30] <inetpro> Kilos: are you not supposed to go sleep now?
[11:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:31] <Kilos> haha
[11:31] <Kilos> Maaz thank you
[11:31] <Maaz> Kilos: No problem
[11:31] <inetpro> can't have coffee before sleep time
[11:31] <Kilos> coffee doesnt keep me awake
[11:37] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[11:41] <anton_may> do what?
[11:42] <Kilos> i dunno
 and anton_may as well also too
[11:42] <Kilos> oh
[11:43] <Kilos> nice to see you back also as well too
[11:43] <anton_may> heidi ho
[11:43] <Kilos> should just be as well but i add stuff at times to make clever peeps think
[11:44] <anton_may> i'm here, just busy fighting with neotel in regards to heavy packet loss on one of their routers
[11:44] <Kilos> ai!
[11:45] <anton_may> one of their peering routers to the saix backbone. so I guess I will not be winning this fight
[11:50] <Kilos> anton_may can you not bypass it?
[11:53] <anton_may> ja, I have an open ADSL line, this is for our hosted exchange. Waiting for the hosting company to add our IP to their FW. Have already set our FW up with new routing rules.
[11:53] <anton_may> Hosted pabx i mean
[11:53] <Kilos> ok
[11:54] <chesedo> hi Kilos, how are you this morning :D?
[11:54] <Kilos> good ty and you chesedo
[11:55] <chesedo> good good ty
[11:55] <Kilos> struggling some with stupid xp pc
[11:55] <Kilos> bad sector in bood sector
[11:55]  * chesedo just got news that the scope showdown results will be announced tomorrow - am a bit excited
[11:56] <Kilos> now im trying to copy paste whats needed to make it have everything to an ubuntu drive
[11:56] <Kilos> haha what you hoping to win
[11:56] <chesedo> not first (seriously)
[11:58] <chesedo> 2nd and 3rd positions are ubuntu phones...
[11:58] <chesedo> and then there is the innovations price
[11:58] <Kilos> wow that could be cool
[12:16] <thatgraemeguy> hi :)
[12:43] <inetpro> w00t!?
[12:44] <inetpro> chesedo: you enetered into a competition there?
[12:44] <inetpro> entered as well
[12:44] <chesedo> lol, ja man
[12:45] <inetpro> nice! Sounds like you're having fun...
[12:45] <inetpro> hope you win that phone
[12:46] <inetpro> or better
[12:46] <chesedo> yea had (it was in Feb) - still have to work on some improvements
[12:46] <inetpro> what is first price?
[12:47] <chesedo> System 76 Meerkat - https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/showdown/
[12:49] <inetpro> cool
[14:20] <Kilos> good luck chesedo
[14:20] <Kilos> when will you know
[14:56] <chesedo> ty Kilos, tomorrow
[15:11] <Kilos> wow no join/psrts today
[15:11] <Kilos> what happened to the internet
[15:29] <mazal> ai I am struggling
[15:30] <Kilos> with what mazal
[15:30] <mazal> Trying to get the afrihost sim working in my vodacom dongle
[15:30] <mazal> seems impossible
[15:31] <mazal> Aparently the dongle software only recognizes vodacom sims
[15:31] <Kilos> the voda dongle works with an mtn sim in hey?
[15:32] <Kilos> didnt you try it with an mtn sim??
[15:32] <mazal> No was with my phones sim that is vodacom
[15:33] <Kilos> http://vodafone.intelliresponse.com/index.jsp?requestType=NormalRequest&source=2&id=2029&sessionId=179a284f-4c0e-11e5-88b0-6becd5f4e34f&question=How+do+I+unlock+my+USB+modem
[15:34] <Cryterion> mazal, no pin barrier on the afrihost sim?
[15:34] <Kilos> there is a gsm site somewhere that gives you the unlock code after you give them the imei number
[15:34] <Kilos> put the sim in your fone and turn off pins if there is one
[15:36] <mazal> Cryterion nope
[15:37] <Kilos> did you rica it mazal
[15:37] <Cryterion> checked that the sim is working in a phone?
[15:38] <mazal> Cryterion, yep , works fine in router
[15:39] <Cryterion> hmmm
[15:39] <mazal> Ai , and it's illigal , they may not even lock it
[15:39] <Cryterion> true
[15:39] <Cryterion> but they still do
[15:39] <mazal> ^&%$&$
[15:40] <Cryterion> only vodacom as far as I know
[15:40] <Cryterion> internet devices, but not phones
[15:41] <Cryterion> think the illegal part only relates to phones
[15:41] <mazal> Oh well , there goes that plan
[15:41] <Kilos> what modem?
[15:41] <mazal> k3772-z
[15:41] <Kilos> what make
[15:42] <Kilos> maaz google gsm usb modem unlock
[15:42] <Maaz> Kilos: "Huawei USB modem Unlock, Unlock USB 3G Modem, Unlock ..." http://www.modemunlock.com/ :: "How to unlock CDMA Modem / Dongle for all sim networks - Trickolla" http://www.trickolla.com/2014/03/how-to-unlock-cdma-modem-dongle-for-all.html :: "Huawei E173 Unlocked HSDPA 7.2Mbps GSM 3G USB Modem ..." http://www.amazon.com/Huawei-E173-Unlocked-
[15:42] <Maaz> HSDPA-7-2Mbps/dp/B0055310KQ :: "KuWFi WIFI Unlocked Portable Pocket Mobile 3G WIFI USB Modem ..." http://www…
[15:42] <mazal> Doesn't say , is vodafone branded , probably huawei
[15:42] <Kilos> inside above the sim is a sticker
[15:43] <Cryterion> zte
[15:43] <mazal> Nope , nothing
[15:44] <mazal> I think Cryterion has it. At the very bottom it says ZTE Corporation
[15:44] <Cryterion> https://routerunlock.com/free-unlocking-tips-for-vodafone-zte-k3770-z-and-zte-k3772-z-modem/
[15:45] <Cryterion> probably windows based
[15:45] <Cryterion> you might get some ideas from it
[15:46] <Cryterion> mazal, are you trying to connect via the vodacom software?
[15:48] <mazal> Gonna try this: http://unlockmodemfree.biz/free-unlocking-tips-for-vodafone-zte-k3770-z-and-zte-k3772-z-modem/
[15:50] <Cryterion> maaz: tell mazal text is identical
[15:50] <Maaz> Cryterion: Righto, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[15:50] <Cryterion> maaz: botsnack
[15:50] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[15:51] <bushtech_> maaz:have a dop
[15:51] <Maaz> bushtech_: *blink*
[15:52] <Cryterion> He tells to get your own beer btw
[15:52] <Kilos> haha
[15:52] <Cryterion> maaz: beer
[15:52] <Maaz> Cryterion look in the fridge my friend
[15:52] <bushtech_> yhought he wasn't a real soufeffrican
[15:52] <Cryterion> kilos you getting better now?
[15:53] <Kilos> better than what?
[15:53] <Cryterion> up and about again
[15:53] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:53] <mazal> That worked , kewl
[15:53] <Maaz> mazal: By the way, Cryterion on freenode told me "tell mazal text is identical" 3 minutes and 51 seconds ago
[15:54] <Kilos> ive been up and about all the time, just some days head thumps
[15:54] <Cryterion> ok, just take it easy
[15:54] <Cryterion> mazal, kwl sorted then
[15:54] <mazal> So it's a software thing
[15:55] <Cryterion> yes
[15:55] <mazal> Cryterion, " text is identical ? "
[15:55] <mazal> What text
[15:55] <Cryterion> the site I gave you and the site you used
[15:55] <Cryterion> I compared and the one's a copy of the other
[15:56] <mazal> I missed your link sorry
[15:56] <Cryterion> https://routerunlock.com/free-unlocking-tips-for-vodafone-zte-k3770-z-and-zte-k3772-z-modem/
[15:56] <Kilos> at least it works
[15:56] <Cryterion> that's the original I think, the one you used has a missing image
[15:56] <Cryterion> true
[15:57] <Kilos> evil move by isp's locking them like that
[15:57] <mazal> So in ubu , how would it be done ?
[15:57] <mazal> Or I will rather ask when that day happens , I forget to easy
[15:57] <Kilos> if its unlocked and working it will work everywhere
[15:58] <mazal> Will ask how when the time comes , will prob be in that thing you call nm oom :P
[15:58] <Cryterion> mazal, create a manual dial up connect pointing to the modem, using the following, *99# as number user and pass both as none
[15:59] <mazal> Does it have apn setting in ubu also ?
[15:59] <Kilos> yes i just use internet there
[16:00] <Cryterion> options are there, just use the networks
[16:00] <mazal> k thanx
[16:00] <Kilos> you might need afrihost
[16:01] <Cryterion> that way you're bypassing all the software, I remember playing with doggles on windows, and preferred the manual dial-up
[16:01] <mazal> I will do now too. Is only for 2 more weeks or so anyway
[16:01] <Cryterion> the apps were just too annoying
[16:01] <mazal> Can't wait for 16.04 that I can do this machine
[16:02] <Cryterion> I waiting as well
[16:02] <Cryterion> 21st I think is release date
[16:02] <mazal> I am itching !!! lol. Been more than a yeasr since a install for me
[16:02] <mazal> Time to break something :)
[16:03] <Cryterion> lol
[16:03] <Cryterion> hopefully I get my Raspberry Thurs, then I'm working out ubuntu Mate :)
[16:09] <mazal> l8tr guys , thanx for the help
[16:09] <mazal> I go abuse the PS4 now
[16:13] <Kilos> lol
[16:15] <Cryterion> lol
[16:21] <Kilos>  nut case
[16:37] <Cryterion> aren't we all?
[16:46] <magespawn> good evening
[16:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:49] <magespawn> hey Kilos, on my phone so a bit slow
[16:49] <Kilos> np magespawn you are here
[16:49] <magespawn> very small screen
[16:51] <Kilos> we are growing 37 on a weekday
[16:51] <Kilos> whew
[16:52] <Kilos> soon we 50
[16:52] <magespawn> cool beans
[17:06] <chesedo> hi magespawn
[17:10] <fusionsparc> Growing steadily...:)
[17:18] <magespawn> hi chesedo
[17:29] <Kilos> ive been battling for years fusionsparc
[17:29] <Kilos> we grow then shrink again
[17:32] <Kilos> certain peeps dont want us to reach 50 so chase peeps away when we get too close
[17:37] <Kilos> whats wrong with this site https://gitlab.com/groups/ubuntuforhope
[17:38] <Kilos> oh just very slow
[17:39] <magespawn> brb just switching over to pc
[17:39] <Kilos> ok
[17:45] <magespawn> right back
[17:45] <Kilos> wb lad
[17:50] <Kilos> wb aquarat you very quiet hey
[17:58] <magespawn> so Kilos, whats up?
[17:58] <magespawn> did wolfeyes get the ssh to the server working?
[17:59] <Kilos> mazal has telkom router and contract and he has afrihost working in his dongle
[17:59] <Kilos> i think he said something about still needing to set proxies
[18:00] <magespawn> good news
[18:00] <Kilos> and the pro is still in strydom mode
[18:01] <Kilos> and we got some new peeps
[18:02] <Kilos> dunno when you last were here or who you missed
[18:02] <Kilos> you know about TheMurdz
[18:03] <Kilos> and Mariusoft and bushtech_ and that kilos okey
[18:03] <magespawn> i have been away for awhile
[18:04] <Kilos> TheMurdz is with afrihost
[18:04] <Kilos> bushtech_ poaches rhino when no one is watching
[18:04] <magespawn> i am not fully understanding that?
[18:05] <Kilos> Mariusoft is new
[18:05] <Kilos> what dont you understand sir?
[18:05] <magespawn> TheMurdz, is that a nick?
[18:05] <Kilos> yes he is sysadmin or something with afrihost
[18:06] <Kilos> helped mazal get going
[18:06] <magespawn> ahh right
[18:06] <magespawn> handy to have such people around
[18:06] <Kilos> yeah
[18:07] <Kilos> they seem to be quite efficient
[18:07] <magespawn> who, afrihost?
[18:07] <Kilos> yes with him pointing fingers
[18:07] <Kilos> mazal got many smsses about his sim arriving
[18:10] <Kilos> oh magespawn i got an old ladies xp pc here that the boot sector has packed up and she has tons of family pics and vids she doesnt want to lose
[18:11] <Kilos> can i just do a reinstall and not change file systems
[18:11] <Kilos> excuse the win question here
[18:12] <magespawn> yes you can just do not format the harddrive, the new install should detect the old install
[18:12] <Kilos> cool ty
[18:12] <magespawn> if it doesn't then you could have problems
[18:13] <magespawn> might be better the try a recovery with a live cd/usb, then recover the files to an external harddrive
[18:13] <Kilos> i have used buntu to copy some stuff in case but not sure what all i should make copies of
[18:13] <Kilos> it  doesnt want to work
[18:13] <magespawn> usually on xp the files are under the user profile
[18:13] <Kilos> i tried fixmbr then pc saw drive again
[18:13] <Kilos> then fixboot and it gives some error
[18:14] <Kilos> i cant find that user profile
[18:14] <magespawn> take note of the error and use google
[18:14] <Kilos> google mainly says backup and get a new drive
[18:15] <magespawn> might be sound advice
[18:15] <Kilos> i used seatools and only 1 bad sector
[18:15] <magespawn> is it a seagate drive?
[18:15] <Kilos> and of course its right in the boot sector
[18:15] <Kilos> yes 160g
[18:16] <Kilos> seatools says it fixed it
[18:16] <magespawn> then copy the data off, isolate the bad sector, redo the boot sector and mbr and reinstall the os
[18:17] <Kilos> i have copied lots of folders was just checking if there was anything special to do
[18:19] <magespawn> not really
[18:19] <magespawn> hold on
[18:19] <Kilos> ok
[18:25] <magespawn>  C:\Users\(User_Name)\
[18:25] <magespawn> where (User_Name) is the login name
[18:25] <Kilos> ty ill try find that
[18:26] <Kilos> im in it from 12.04  atm
[18:26] <magespawn> it is possible to have things else where, but most people keep all their files there
[18:27] <magespawn> i have to go now, got a drive to bed, chat later
[18:27] <Kilos> go well an ty
[18:27] <mazal-gaming> xp didn't have a users folder did it ?
[18:28] <mazal-gaming> Wasn't it documents and settings ?
[18:28] <Kilos> i dont see it no
[18:28] <mazal-gaming> And in that is the user folder
[18:28] <Kilos> i have copied the whole docs and settings
[18:28] <magespawn> might have been, it is going back awhile
[18:28] <mazal-gaming> yeah , been a while
[18:28] <mazal-gaming> hi magespawn btw :)
[18:29] <magespawn> hi mazal-gaming
[18:29] <magespawn> cheers all
[18:29] <mazal-gaming> Ok break over , back to COD :)
[18:29] <Kilos> cheers magespawn
[18:29] <pavlushka> Hi Kilos!
[18:29] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[18:29] <magespawn> /exit/exit
[18:30] <pavlushka> Hi every one including inetpro !
[18:33] <pavlushka> Kilos: i've seen you being busy all day, the irc guy!
[18:34] <Kilos> yeah
[18:34] <pavlushka> i've given you this name in my mind long before.
[18:34] <pavlushka> :p
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <pavlushka> ok Kilos , good for this night! :p
[18:37] <pavlushka> see ya guys!
[18:37] <inetpro> hi pavlushka
[18:38] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else, as well as the irc dude as well
[18:38] <pavlushka> inetpro: I have just 1 Q b4 I leave.
[18:38] <inetpro> yes Kilos, that is you
[18:38] <Kilos> haha
[18:38] <inetpro> 1 Q?
[18:39] <Kilos> pavlushka dont be lazy and use cell abbreviations
[18:39] <Kilos> question is the word
[18:39] <inetpro> pavlushka: shoot
[18:40] <pavlushka> inetpro: how come you figured that link!!?? https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editlocation
[18:40] <pavlushka> Kilos: I am feeling sleepy, lol
[18:40] <inetpro> pavlushka: how come or just how?
[18:40] <pavlushka> ok how?
[18:41] <inetpro> pavlushka: I've seen the +me documented in some help pages before so I went on a hunt to find it when you had the problem
[18:42]  * inetpro is a hunter gatherer
[18:42] <pavlushka> wow, I've seen it again!
[18:42] <pavlushka> thanks inetpro , good night.
[18:42] <inetpro> os is that hunter-gatherer?
[18:42] <inetpro> or*
[18:43] <pavlushka> inetpro: ???
[18:43] <Kilos> caveman peep
[18:43] <inetpro> pavlushka: just fixing my spelling mistake
[18:44] <Kilos> o+ blood group
[18:44] <pavlushka> copy , buy guys!
[18:44] <Kilos> cheers
[18:55] <inetpro> Kilos: so what did you want to tell me?
[18:55] <Kilos> me?
[18:56] <Kilos> hello inetpro my buddy
[18:56] <inetpro> have you guys noticed the apt upgrade on 14.04?
[18:56] <Kilos> what apt upgrade
[18:56] <Kilos> i used apt upgrade this morning
[18:57] <inetpro> Kilos: do you not look at what gets upgraded?
[18:57] <Kilos> is there something else added now
[18:57] <Kilos> lots
[18:57] <inetpro> not that many man
[18:57] <Kilos> just explain what you found
[18:58] <inetpro> the new apt now has more options
[18:59] <Kilos> even more?
[18:59] <inetpro> previously you just had very few
[19:00] <Kilos> libgudev-1.0-0 libpam-systemd libsystemd-daemon0 libsystemd-login0 libudev1
[19:00] <Kilos>   libudev1:i386 systemd-services udev
[19:01] <Kilos> those are what shows now to be upgraded
[19:01] <Kilos> this morning was many
[19:01] <inetpro> look at this mornings upgrade
[19:04] <Kilos> too far
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: less /var/log/apt/term.log
[19:05] <inetpro> or
[19:05] <inetpro> tail /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:06] <Kilos> Log ended: 2016-04-12  21:02:05
[19:06] <Kilos> no man
[19:07] <Kilos> too much reading
[19:07] <inetpro> ai!
[19:08] <Kilos> Upgrade: libsystemd-login0:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.18, 204-5ubuntu20.19), systemd-services:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.18, 204-5ubuntu20.19), libsystemd-daemon0:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.18, 204-5ubuntu20.19), libgudev-1.0-0:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.18, 204-5ubuntu20.19), libpam-systemd:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.18, 204-5ubuntu20.19), udev:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.18, 204-5ubuntu20.19), libudev1:amd64 (204-5ubuntu20.18, 204-5ubuntu20.19), libudev1:i386 (204-5ubuntu20.18, 204-
[19:08] <Kilos> 5ubuntu20.19)
[19:09] <Kilos> ja less is better
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: was that this morning?
[19:09] <Kilos> dont ai! me man
[19:09] <Kilos> i dunno
[19:09] <Kilos> thats all it showed
[19:09] <inetpro> look at the dates man
[19:10] <Kilos> Start-Date: 2016-04-12  21:01:46
[19:11] <inetpro> so that is this morning? No
[19:11] <Kilos> yes
[19:14] <Kilos> anyway apt works so im happy
[19:14] <Kilos> now may i go sleep please sir
[19:15] <Kilos> thats you inetpro
[19:15] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[19:15] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:15] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: are you tired or what?
[19:16] <Kilos> always ive caught your bug
[19:16] <inetpro> superfly: please fix him up there
[19:16] <Kilos> hehe
[19:16] <Kilos> fly also tired
[19:16] <inetpro> oh my
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: good night sir
[19:16] <Kilos> lol night my friend
[19:17] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow
[19:17]  * superfly gets a wrench out
[19:17] <inetpro> too late now
[19:17] <inetpro> anyway, the apt upgrade is just a minor update anyway
[19:43] <chesedo> inetpro: you still got the rest of us curious..
[19:43] <inetpro> chesedo: haha, you mean with apt?
[19:43] <chesedo> yes
[19:43] <inetpro> sorry
[19:43] <chesedo> :(
[19:44] <inetpro> only noticed later that it was actually not a big deal... or rather...
[19:44] <inetpro> difficult to see exactly what changed
[19:44] <inetpro> aptitude changelog didn't reveal anything
[19:44] <mazal> Evening
[19:45] <inetpro> wb mazal
[19:45] <chesedo> still, what is 'it' that is hard to see?
[19:45] <inetpro> chesedo: what changed
[19:46] <inetpro> Maaz: is changelogs.ubuntu.com up?
[19:46] <Maaz> inetpro: Yes, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/ is up
[19:47] <inetpro> Service Temporarily Unavailable
[19:48] <chesedo> inetpro: maybe https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+changelog , but which version
[19:49] <inetpro> following URL has a 503 error: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt/apt_1.0.1ubuntu2.5/changelog
[19:49] <chesedo> mine on <IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1
[19:50] <inetpro> Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS version of apt is 1.0.1ubuntu2.12
[19:50] <chesedo> so https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+changelog#detail_apt_1.0.1ubuntu2.5
[19:51] <mazal> Sleep well guys
[19:51] <mazal> night
[19:52] <inetpro> chesedo: so that would be at http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/apt
[19:53] <chesedo> ok, seems like will have to wait for that page to come up
[19:55] <inetpro> wait...
[19:55] <inetpro> I found it with the help of your link: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/1.0.1ubuntu2.12
[19:55] <inetpro> thanks
[19:56] <chesedo> np
[19:57] <inetpro> gets very confusing with all the different releases
[19:57]  * chesedo also logs of for the night
[19:58] <chesedo> at least i only keep track of the latest
[19:58] <chesedo> s/of/off/
[19:58] <inetpro> good night chesedo
[20:05] <inetpro> chesedo: I was actually hoping that the autoremove option amongst others would be available now on 14.04 but sadly is not there
[20:29] <superfly> hey chesedo
[20:29] <superfly> oh, he's gone already


[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober: cjwatson * r305 ubuntu/ (10 files in 7 dirs):
[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober: * Cherry-pick from trunk:
[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober:  - Use grub-mount if it exists. This lets us do true read-only mounts,
[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober:  and works better on journalling filesystems that were mounted
[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober:  uncleanly (LP: #683355).
[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober:  - Attempt to load the fuse module, to improve the chances of grub-mount
[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober:  working.
[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober: cjwatson * r306 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control): Depend on grub-mount-udeb.
[00:35] <CIA-7> os-prober: cjwatson * r307 ubuntu/debian/control: set Maintainer and Vcs-Bzr for Ubuntu
[00:37] <CIA-7> os-prober: cjwatson * r308 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.44ubuntu1
[00:48] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4654 trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): bump to 2.6.0
[01:14] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4655 trunk/ (130 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[01:22] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4657 trunk/debian/ (imported-po/cy.po changelog imported-po/nl.po): Update imported translations from gtk+2.0 2.24.4-0ubuntu1.
[01:25] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4656 trunk/ (debian/real-po/nb.po debian/real-po/nn.po po/nb.po po/nn.po): restore Norwegian translations
[01:31] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4658 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[01:31] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.49ubuntu4,
[01:31] <CIA-7> ubiquity: netcfg 1.60ubuntu3.
[01:38] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4659 trunk/debian/real-po/ (68 files): debconf-updatepo
[02:12] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4660 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.6.0
[02:40] <stgraber> hello, can someone apply the patch attached to bug 628906 to ubiquity trunk ? the "fix" isn't perfect but would still be an improvement over the current behaviour.
[14:06] <cjwatson> stgraber: go thanks!
[14:06] <cjwatson> er, "thanks!"
[14:07] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4661 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartMan.py):
[14:07] <CIA-7> ubiquity: * KDE frontend:
[14:07] <CIA-7> ubiquity:  - Disable partition edit dialog on row activation, until such time as we
[14:07] <CIA-7> ubiquity:  know how to distinguish click from double-click (LP: #628906).
[14:07] <cjwatson> (that's properly credited in the changelog and --author, even though CIA shows it as by me)
[21:17] <CIA-7> partman-auto: cjwatson * r609 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[21:17] <CIA-7> partman-auto: Fix reuse and replace options to umount using the path name
[21:17] <CIA-7> partman-auto: instead of the device name to work around a bug where ntfs-3g
[21:17] <CIA-7> partman-auto: on dmraid can not be unmounted with the device name, which
[21:17] <CIA-7> partman-auto: then caused the installer to hang (LP: #725408).
[21:59] <CIA-7> localechooser: cjwatson * r161 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog localechooser):
[21:59] <CIA-7> localechooser: Cancel any locale preseeding if the user changes the language
[21:59] <CIA-7> localechooser: (LP: #741304).
[22:01] <CIA-7> localechooser: cjwatson * r162 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.34ubuntu4
[22:06] <CIA-7> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r355 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog src/system/subarch-arm-linux.c): Map "OMAP4 Panda board" to armel/omap4 (LP: #744862).
[22:07] <CIA-7> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r356 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.77ubuntu2


[09:33] <mup> Bug #1909985 opened: Add commission timestamp to machine websocket api <blocking-ui> <websocket-api> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909985>
[09:36] <mup> Bug #1909985 changed: Add commission timestamp to machine websocket api <blocking-ui> <websocket-api> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909985>
[09:39] <mup> Bug #1909985 opened: Add commission timestamp to machine websocket api <blocking-ui> <websocket-api> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909985>
[09:51] <mup> Bug #1909985 changed: Add commission timestamp to machine websocket api <blocking-ui> <websocket-api> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909985>
[09:57] <mup> Bug #1909985 opened: Add commission timestamp to machine websocket api <blocking-ui> <websocket-api> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1909985>
[19:20] <dardelean>  hi, is there a way to set swap to 0 in the newer maas version?
[19:20] <dardelean> before we used to set it in /etc/maas/preseeds/curtin_userdata, but now maas is in read-only snaps
[19:50] <dardelean> is it still possible to install the latest maas packages separately? we used to install the rack and the region controller separatelly from apt packages, is this still possible?