[11:31] <lovingdragoness> Hi
[11:32] <lovingdragoness> Are the 18.04 builds stable enough to not crash when using the installer or booting up the installer? >.>
[11:45] <gpunk> yes, it works for me just fine
[12:17] <catphish> is there any way to test 18.04 server prior to the import freeze?
[12:17] <catphish> i see desktop pre images, but i am interested in testing server
[17:35] <donofrio> if anyone knows how to fix these errors I'm all ears - https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/2960
[17:54] <albert23> donofrio: have systemd services started in that container (ps ax)?
[18:01] <donofrio> albert23, hu?
[18:01] <donofrio> not using docker anything just wsl/lxrunoffline
[18:02] <albert23> donofrio: run the command ps ax in the container, that should show some systemd services
[18:02] <donofrio> I'm game lets see....
[18:03] <donofrio> albert23, here is what it returns https://apaste.info/aFc2
[18:05] <albert23> so no systemd services
[18:05] <TJ-> albert23: it's Windows! :)
[18:05] <albert23> I know
[18:05] <donofrio> this is what I see https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL80WYzed14twrwo0Q
[18:06] <albert23> Bit starting a bionic container on debian/sid gives similar fun
[18:06] <donofrio> ignore onedrive login jazz
[18:07] <albert23> donofrio: is there anyway in windows to see the container starting, like a normal console?
[18:07] <donofrio> no it's not a container its wsl (I mean I can do container things but it's not docker)
[18:08] <donofrio> albert23, and others thank you for talking and thinking about this I've not gotten anywhere in four days ;(
[18:09] <albert23> donofrio: it looks like a container just running on a different type of host
[18:09] <albert23> Somehow that conatainer (or however you name it) must be started
[18:10] <donofrio> ok I could see that....but I'm limited in what I can see/do outside the wsl
[18:11] <donofrio> "c:\tools\lxrunoffline\LxRunOffline.exe list" returns two items bionic and Ubuntu I am trying bionic so I run "c:\tools\lxrunoffline\LxRunOffline.exe run -n bionic" and it retuirned the "donofrio@WSAL0013:~$" prompt
[18:13] <albert23> donofrio: can you pastebin the output of mount?
[18:13] <donofrio> sure thing
[18:15] <donofrio> https://apaste.info/DDTb
[18:16] <albert23> so no cgroups mounted at all
[18:17] <donofrio> fwiw, my 16.04 install returns https://apaste.info/IVqu
[18:18] <albert23> donofrio: I think the missing cgroups are the reason systemd services don't start
[18:19] <albert23> Running bionic on debian sid one missing cgroup was enough to stop systemd
[18:19] <albert23> If you can get the console output, that would probably tell you
[18:19] <albert23> On sid there was a cleer FREEZE message
[18:23] <donofrio> I have console output let me check.....
[18:23] <donofrio> opps no I dont
[18:24] <donofrio> that was all done though powershell/bash
[18:25] <donofrio> so my boxes do not have any cgroups (like they might not be implemented in WSL yet?) here is my right desktop w10 1703 w/17.04 disto-upgraded from 16.04 by changed sources (and is my main working terminal till I get left desktop stable and updating again)
[18:25] <donofrio> https://apaste.info/r0np
[18:26] <albert23> Well, I cannot be sure you have the same problem as I saw. But systemd services not running is not good.
[18:27] <albert23> And in my case I can also still attach to the container and many things just seem to work
[18:27] <donofrio> systemd is running on the right desktop (at least I beleve it is (i started it)
[18:27] <donofrio> how to query for health of it?
[18:27] <albert23> Until you need one of those systemd services
[18:28] <albert23> systemctl would tell you
[18:29] <donofrio> when I try "systemctl -a" it returns "Failed to list units: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1"
[18:29] <donofrio> on right desktop (17.04)
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: how is this related to 18.04?
[18:30] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, on 17.04 it doesn't
[18:30] <donofrio> just figured I built them close to the same
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> donofrio: 17.04 is end of life also
[18:30] <donofrio> only right desktop is a year older install (1703)
[18:32] <albert23> donofrio: and what dows systemctl say on the 18.04 desktop?
[18:33] <donofrio> albert23, it returns "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory"
[18:34] <albert23> That's the same I see with 18.04 on sid
[18:34] <donofrio> that is a good sign (guessing)
[18:34] <donofrio> means wsl is closer to normal linux/sid
[18:34] <albert23> On SID there is a trick to get the cgroups and systemd properly working for the bionic container
[18:34] <donofrio> I'm all ears
[18:34] <albert23> But how that works on WSL I have no idea
[18:38] <donofrio> shouldn't it just be sudo service systemd start?
[18:39] <albert23> No, on SID you need to create a directory and mount cgroup 2 on it to allow the bionic container to start properly
[18:39] <albert23> So you need to do something on the host, not in the conatiner
[18:39] <donofrio> albert23, what does your mount have for your 18.04?
[18:41] <donofrio> humm https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/2209
[18:44] <albert23> donofrio: this is how it looks in a bionic container on sid: https://apaste.info/TqFm
[18:46] <donofrio> cool, much to learn still about wsl and its offerings and what is missing still.....
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you furkan
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> FurretUber:
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> FurretUber: what bug are you wondering about?
[19:12] <FurretUber> Hi, I "updated" from 17.10 to 18.04 by changing the sources.list file. The xfce4 package does not depend from xfce4-volumed, so xfce4-volumed is marked to be autoremoved, but without it the volume keys don't work
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> FurretUber: well first of all, we dont reccomend to upgrade yet in this stage
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> FurretUber: if you want to help bug out 18.04 plz install the daily image clean
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> FurretUber: this way, we can trace if its really a bug instead of a leftover from a previous release
[19:14] <FurretUber> This was exactly what I was wondering
[19:18] <FurretUber> I will download and test with a clean install
[19:42] <marathon> howdy
[19:48] <donofrio> albert23, now for crazy question how do I take all my installed package selections and diff them out of the bionic install so I can apt-get the missing ones installed from the steps here https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/2618
[19:48] <donofrio> so far its up and running just apt-get installing things like xfce4 and ubuntu-desktop and the like....
[19:50] <donofrio> 1466 packages to go....lol
[19:50] <albert23> donofrio: dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[19:53] <donofrio> is "archive.ubuntu.com" a alias for "use lowest ping rate mirror?"
[19:54] <donofrio> FurretUber, your going to get sadness oneday (at least I was told that when I dist-upgraded from 16.04 to 17.04 using the sources.list way)
[19:55] <donofrio> opps lotus beat me to that.....going back to mute ;)
[19:56] <FurretUber> The notebook survived the 17.10 upgrade (it's a Lenovo), so I thought 18.04 would be a cinch
[20:01] <donofrio> FurretUber, "time will tell."
[20:04] <FurretUber> The bug really biting me started with 17.04: https://i.imgur.com/ad81Dwd.png
[20:09] <donofrio> FurretUber, how does it run in VMWare Player?  or like me run in WSL :) #duckforcover #lol
[20:09] <FurretUber> That virtual machine works perfectly when opening it using QEMU command line and VirtualBox
[20:10] <FurretUber> When using virt-manager, it dies when it tries to update the kernel or the package linux-firmware
[20:13] <FurretUber> Every Ubuntu's virt-manager virtual machine freezes and stops working when updating the kernel or the linux-firmware package, and the only information I could get from them is that from that screenshot.
[20:13] <FurretUber> The host system seems to have no issues (there is no dmesg message or anything), but nothing works in the guest after that
[20:14] <donofrio> if the has happened before to you might want to ask #ubuntu this is for 18.04 only......
[20:17] <FurretUber> I already asked there at least three times, but the message was not read/others didn't paid attention to it (I waited 12 hours for answers)
[20:18] <donofrio> irc is slow may take days for answers
[20:19] <donofrio> FurretUber, did you try Vmware player on host and how did guest do when firmware was applied?
[20:19] <FurretUber> I have not tried using vmware player. On the host I have only used QEMU and libvirt
[20:20] <FurretUber> Never installed any other program, as VirtualBox
[20:20] <donofrio> "it's free" fwiw I had many issues with VB and windows 7 guest all was solved when I used vmware player
[20:33] <donofrio> Nice touch, I just noticed this as the updates went by "It is likely that 4.4.0-43-Microsoft belongs to a chroot's host"
[20:35] <donofrio> error found
[20:35] <donofrio> "Processing triggers for libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:amd64 (2.36.11-1) ...W: http: aptMethod::Configuration: could not load seccomp policy: Invalid argument" what does that mean?
[20:36] <donofrio> cause it stopped the update I ran "apt-get install xfce* hexchat firefox inxi pianobar ubuntu-desktop -y" and I do not believe its finished yet
[20:38] <donofrio> well maybe it is done....checkin...
[20:43] <donofrio> and xfce4 is up - yah me.....
[20:57] <donofrio> how do I get screenfetch's output to maintain formatting in pastebinit?
[21:01] <donofrio> awesome behold "OS: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic [Ubuntu on Windows 10]" :) I'm a happy man https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsBlZbBf72iNoL84RCA9UQG92YVkPA (skip onedrive login - unneeded)


[07:02] <pete-woods> cjwatson: hi, as the guy who tends to push my HUD uploads into proposed, I just wondered if you could take a look at the HUD upload in the trusty queue? (the current version in proposed has a stupid crash bug in it)
[07:03] <pete-woods> alternatively (as someone who is pretty new to the process) if I'm supposed to wait longer, that's also fine
[07:47] <cjwatson> pete-woods: am I?  I think I did it once or twice :)
[07:48] <cjwatson> pete-woods: but sure, I can have a look
[07:48] <pete-woods> cjwatson: you are that guy :) and it has been much appreciated in the past
[07:52] <cjwatson> pete-woods: the changelog delta looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/7534921/ and doesn't actually correspond to the changes in the package in any way ...
[07:53] <cjwatson> pete-woods: would it be possible to redo this in a way that actually branches from the previous version in trusty?  this is really confusing
[07:53] <cjwatson> and then specifically describes what changes in this upload
[07:54] <cjwatson> pete-woods: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7534932/ is the full diff I'm seeing here, and I would expect to see a changelog that describes that
[08:09] <pete-woods> cjohnston: sure, I can include that change, I hadn't realised we'd had a non-ci-train upload to trusty
[08:09] <pete-woods> cjwatson: ^ whoops
[08:10] <pete-woods> obviously this is going to add a couple of days on for me to get the whole thing all the way through ci-train again
[08:12] <cjwatson> pete-woods: ok, thanks, rejected for now then, sorry for the inconvenience/delay
[08:13] <cjwatson> hopefully it won't be as bad as a couple of days, depending on silo availability
[08:13] <pete-woods> cjwatson: I think the reason that it's really confusing is that I was basically told my the CI guys just to imagine that the proposed upload never happened
[08:13] <cjwatson> but I don't think that upload would have worked with our SRU tracking tools
[08:13] <pete-woods> *by
[08:13] <cjwatson> well, maybe, but the changelog needs to describe what's changed!
[08:13] <pete-woods> sure, will make sure that happens
[08:13] <cjwatson> reading that changelog diff, the only interpretation I can derive from it is that it's a no-change rebuild
[08:13] <cjwatson> which clearly wasn't the case
[08:35] <didrocks> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cicopy.log FYI
[08:36] <didrocks> cjwatson: stgraber: also, I restricted the copy list to the silos ppas and reject otherwise any other source
[08:36] <didrocks> cjwatson: any errors/reject from latest run will show up there, at least, it will enable to know for now if the process is stuck
[08:37] <didrocks> sil2100: FYI ^
[08:44] <cjwatson> didah, cool, thanks
[08:44] <cjwatson> oh, he left
[08:44] <cjwatson> DIDAH
[09:20] <cjwatson> Laney: trying an ubuntu-desktop-next image build now
[09:20] <cjwatson> let's see how excitingly it fails :)
[09:26] <Laney> cjwatson: oh, cool
[09:26] <Laney> did that second cdimage branch get merged?
[09:35] <cjwatson> Laney: oh ... er, cough, I might have forgotten that
[09:36] <Laney> :)
[09:36] <cjwatson> NOPE
[09:36] <Laney> do you understand the failure?
[09:36] <cjwatson> haven't looked yet, will do
[09:36]  * Laney uploads livecd-rootfs
[09:37] <Laney> s/metapackage/task/
[09:37] <cjwatson> was that the failure, or something else?
[09:38] <Laney> E: Unable to locate package linux-mx5
[09:38] <Laney> E: Unable to locate package linux-omap
[09:38] <Laney> not sure where that comes from
[09:38] <infinity> Laney: In which build?
[09:38] <Laney> -desktop-next
[09:39] <cjwatson> perhaps wrong --linux-flavours or however it's spelled
[09:39] <cjwatson> since
[09:39] <cjwatson> /usr/share/live/build/functions/defaults.sh:                    LB_LINUX_FLAVOURS="${LB_LINUX_FLAVOURS:-mx5 omap}"
[09:39] <infinity> Hrm, if this log existed somewhere, that would help.
[09:39] <infinity> Anyhow, yeah, we always specify ARM flavours by hand.
[09:40] <cjwatson> so I think livecd-rootfs needs an ubuntu-desktop-next block that sets KERNEL_FLAVOURS
[09:41] <ogra_> well
[09:41] <cjwatson> ubuntu-touch sets KERNEL_FLAVOURS=none so that's not an issue there
[09:41] <ogra_> it shouldnt go down that code path for x86 builds at all
[09:41] <cjwatson> should we actually be building ubuntu-desktop-next for armhf at all?
[09:41] <cjwatson> ogra_: this is an ubuntu-desktop-next/armhf failure
[09:41] <cjwatson> we possibly just shouldn't build that
[09:41] <ogra_> definitely not
[09:41] <ogra_> we wouldnt have any drivers anyway
[09:42] <cjwatson> -ubuntu-desktop-next    *                       *                       amd64 armhf i386
[09:42] <cjwatson> +ubuntu-desktop-next    *                       *                       amd64 i386
[09:42] <cjwatson> right, so that?
[09:42] <ogra_> ++
[09:42] <cjwatson> Laney: ?
[09:42] <cjwatson> (just to double-check)
[09:42] <Laney> works for me
[09:43] <cjwatson> ok, committed
[09:43] <cjwatson> trying the non-livefs bit again
[09:48] <cjwatson> volid too long, figures
[09:49] <cjwatson> Laney: can we s/Ubuntu-Desktop-Next-Preview/Ubuntu-Desktop-Next/?
[09:49] <cjwatson> I think the Next in there is enough
[09:49] <cjwatson> and it would make the volume ID fit
[09:51] <Laney> cjwatson: okay, seems fine - I was cribbing from touch there
[09:51] <Laney> could you document the size limit?
[09:52] <cjwatson> It varies a lot but I can at least explain the general parameters
[09:52] <cjwatson> well, a bit
[09:55] <cjwatson> Laney: documented in a comment
[09:55] <cjwatson> and retrying
[09:57] <Laney> vielen dank
[10:00] <cjwatson> KeyError: "Product 'Ubuntu Desktop (Unity 8) amd64' not found"
[10:00] <cjwatson> is that on the tracker?
[10:00] <Laney> iso tracker I guess
[10:00] <Laney> let me try to make that
[10:00] <cjwatson> indeed, I thought it had been created
[10:03] <Laney> does that look okay?
[10:06] <cjwatson> Laney: yep, posted
[10:07] <cjwatson> Laney: though no download links
[10:08] <cjwatson> Laney: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/current/ but you'll need to look from outside the sprint network
[10:08] <cjwatson> for now
[10:09] <Laney> I think I'm not being proxied because I can see that :)
[10:09] <Laney> cheers
[10:09] <cjwatson> ok, cool
[10:09] <cjwatson> will leave the rest to you then
[10:10] <Laney> should be enough to get going
[10:13] <RAOF> infinity: Going to book a time for AA training for arges and me?
[10:16] <mlankhorst> Anonymous Alcoholics?
[10:18] <infinity> RAOF: Maybe.  Are you quite meetingy?
[10:19] <RAOF> infinity: I have moderate meetingyness.
[10:19] <RAOF> A couple of meetings a day.
[10:20] <stgraber> AA training meeting, location: the bar :)
[10:20] <ogra_> ++
[10:20] <infinity> RAOF: Kay, shouldn't be too hard for us to meet up, then.
[10:20] <RAOF> Yeah.
[13:14] <xnox> stgraber: or cjwatson: can you run britney manually? (to kick the adt job result refresh and possible migration?!)
[13:20] <cjwatson> xnox: running
[13:21] <xnox> ta
[13:22] <cjwatson> final: libunicode-collate-perl,miniupnpd
[13:22] <cjwatson> doesn't sound like what you wanted, but :)
[13:24] <cjwatson> nut's still saying regression?
[13:24] <xnox> cjwatson: strange http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#lsb yet nut is green in both public and private
[13:24] <xnox> cjwatson: and openvswitch should be ignored.
[13:25] <cjwatson> how about I try rerunning that job
[13:25] <cjwatson> sometimes it fails to notice
[13:25] <xnox> cjwatson: nut, is very very flaky
[13:25] <cjwatson> "should be ignored" - as in you want somebody to force it?
[13:25] <xnox> cjwatson: it already has been, by stgraber
[13:25] <cjwatson> err
[13:25] <cjwatson> not shown as such
[13:26] <cjwatson> stgraber: wrong openvswitch version
[13:27] <cjwatson> I've retried nut, let's hope
[13:27] <cjwatson> adt-britney is still a bit buggy sometimes :-/
[13:28] <xnox> cjwatson: stgraber: probably mid-air collision. =) i did binNMU upload just after stgraber commited the ignore =(
[13:28] <cjwatson> the versions are pretty radically different
[13:28] <cjwatson> so unless you binNMUed 2.1.2-0ubuntu1 as 2.0.1+git20140120-0ubuntu2
[13:29] <cjwatson> in which case I may have to hurt you
[13:29] <xnox> force-badtest openvswitch/2.1.2-0ubuntu1 vs 2.1.2-0ubuntu2
[13:29] <xnox> cjwatson: does one skip version in -release, or in -proposed?
[13:29] <cjwatson> "autopkgtest for openvswitch 2.0.1+git20140120-0ubuntu2: Regression (Jenkins: public, private)"
[13:29] <xnox> cjwatson: oh, that's from the times when britney used to "forget" the tests.
[13:29] <cjwatson> I'd say release unless openvswitch is migrating at the same time
[13:29] <cjwatson> oh, but that's the trusty version
[13:29] <cjwatson> wtf
[13:30] <cjwatson> I have no idea, maybe we'll have to force-skiptest lsb once the rest is ready
[13:30] <stgraber> cjwatson: oh, I copy/pasted from rmadison, I wonder how I messed that up...
[13:30] <apw> cjwatson, that .html has been getting the wrong version in those lines recently, i think jibel is aware
[13:31] <cjwatson> stgraber: don't think you did, looks like an infra failure
[13:31] <apw> (if we are talking about test versions in failures)
[13:31] <cjwatson> apw: yeah.  oww.  thanks
[13:31] <apw> cjwatson, i believe if you look at the result it is for the right version, just the text
[13:31] <cjwatson> yeah but that would also confuse force versioning
[13:32] <xnox> cjwatson: given that all tests are fine, can we whitelist sysv to go in, please?
[13:32] <xnox> (to unblock building in the ppas)
[13:32] <cjwatson> we need to get lsb done for that
[13:32] <xnox> yeap, both lsb + sysv.
[13:33] <cjwatson> stgraber: could you hack the version to match the wrong thing in excuses?
[13:33] <cjwatson> under http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#lsb
[13:33] <cjwatson> maybe even add that version as another hint line
[13:34] <cjwatson> it's not helping that http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-openvswitch/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console is still running, but ...
[13:34] <stgraber> cjwatson: sure
[13:34] <cjwatson> ta
[13:36] <cjwatson> rerunning
[13:36] <pitti> stgraber: oops, I've been meaning to be there, I blame my server reboot a few days ago; sorry
[13:36] <stgraber> :)
[13:37] <pitti> stgraber: I can also edit the history file, if that helps
[13:37] <cjwatson> too late (hopefully)
[13:37] <cjwatson> let's see about this run
[13:38] <xnox> "Overriding force-badtest[openvswitch] = ('2.1.2-0ubuntu1', 'stgraber', 'None') with ('2.0.1+git20140120-0ubuntu2', 'stgraber', 'None')"
[13:39] <xnox> \o/ lsb accepted.
[13:40] <cjwatson> very slow for some reason but it is working on lsb
[13:40] <cjwatson> and friends
[13:40] <pitti> it's got a lot of friends by now :)
[13:40] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks
[13:42] <cjwatson> final: acpid,at,autofs,avahi,bluez,console-setup,cryptsetup,cups,gdm,ifupdown,lightdm,lsb,munin,openssh,openvswitch,procps,pulseaudio,rpcbind,rsyslog,slim,systemd,sysvinit
[13:42] <pitti> so mysql and friends are straggling due to taking long to build, but the above looks good already
[13:51] <xnox> \o/
[13:51] <xnox> cron would be nice, no?!
[14:10] <RAOF> bregma: The unity diff would have been smaller if you didn't have nonfunctional changes in it.
[14:21] <rcj> infinity, Would you be able to review the SRU in bug #1275656?  Stephane helped me with this last week but is unavailable.
[14:34] <infinity> rcj: He's about as available as I am..
[14:35] <infinity> stgraber: If you have recent context on the above, can you help out?
[14:35] <rcj> infinity, no problem.  I didn't see stgraber online (because I can't read).
[14:46] <rcj> stgraber, I corrected the version for the precise package and changed the naming from *hwe to *lts-trusty for SRU in bug #1275656
[15:12] <xnox> Verifying ubuntu/utopic-desktop-i386.iso
[15:12] <xnox> !!! Verification failed !!!
[15:12] <xnox> that's pulling current/ image.
[15:13] <cjwatson> sassenfrassen
[15:13] <xnox> ditto server
[15:13] <cjwatson> will look properly later
[15:13]  * xnox ponders to add static image/shasum verification to utah to catch these in qa
[15:14] <xnox> oh, proposed are fine, and static validation doesn't run against current/ probably.
[15:44] <tgm4883> Is 12.10 still supported? It's marked as such on launchpad
[15:44] <tgm4883> specifically, it got changed from obsolete to supported
[15:55] <cjwatson> tgm4883: there's going to be one last kernel publication, which is why I changed it back to supported; and then it will be obsolete after that.
[15:55] <tgm4883> cjwatson: ah ok, when is that going to happen?
[15:55] <cjwatson> though I see that kernel was published yesterday, apparently
[15:55] <cjwatson> I'll check with Adam on that
[15:55] <cjwatson> tgm4883: why does it matter though? :)
[15:55] <cjwatson> the short answer is you can stop caring about quantal
[15:56] <cjwatson> regardless of the LP status
[15:56] <tgm4883> cjwatson: it's not a big thing, but we have a graphic that gets updated via the launchpad API when our MythTV daily builds happen and it's publically available at   http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[15:56] <cjwatson> well, please don't ask in #launchpad for this again, it broke us :P
[15:57] <infinity> Very soon.
[15:57] <tgm4883> cjwatson: is this just a one off or something that is going to happen for future releases as well?
[15:57] <cjwatson> I don't know
[15:58] <cjwatson> hopefully a one-off
[15:58] <tgm4883> cjwatson: fair enough. I'll just stick with how we're pulling the data. I dug into it because I thought somehow our build scripts were wrong
[17:04] <zul> can a SRU team member please look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1297962 please
[23:34] <gaughen> infinity, slangasek, cjwatson, somebody?  could we get some love on zul's SRU request for nova compute ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1297962). pretty please?


[01:01] <medovic> hi every body
[01:15] <nobarking> hello
[01:15] <nobarking> why is it that Kubntu & Ubuntu fonts are always better than other distros?
[01:32] <hagabaka> After I upgraded to KDE 4.5beta2, the session and shutdown (restart X server, reboot, etc) menus in KDM don't work any more. Clicking on the buttons have no response. Is anyone else getting it?
[02:11] <Micah> ok, this is gonna sound awkward, but is there any way to shut down my computer (i left it on at work and logged in to a few IRC channels >.>) with out having remote control set up?
[02:27] <Micah> :/
[03:14] <Luija1006> Please people I need help I am having problems opening rars with ark, its says: Unable to locate the program "unrar" in the PATH, whats going on?
[03:17] <Dragnslcr> Luija1006- do you have an unrar package installed?
[03:20] <Luija1006> thanks dude
[04:21] <crodriguezo> hi people.
[05:25] <nobarking> what is the latest version of KDE available for Kubuntu 10.04 right now?
[05:28] <nobarking> is 4.4.4 the latest stable?
[08:20] <eagles0513875> gah this is annoying bug
[08:21] <eagles0513875> hey guys im getting an error like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1126979
[08:21] <eagles0513875> i went through took a look at what they suggested
[08:21] <eagles0513875> the error i get when running apt-get anything is this http://paste.ubuntu.com/449986/
[08:21] <eagles0513875> how can i fix it
[08:25] <Daijoubu> Hello, is it ok to update from LTS to Maverik ?
[08:26] <Daijoubu> yes no ? :)
[08:34] <eagles0513875> !maverick | daijoubu
[08:48] <eagles0513875> hey guys i need some help for some reason im having some issues :( with apt http://paste.ubuntu.com/449986/ any ideas as to how i can fix it
[09:15] <Daijoubu> how to update from Kubuntu 10.04 to Maverik?
[11:28] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/449986/ how can i fix it
[11:29] <perlmonkey> why does kdenlive crash so frequently
[11:32] <evll_> hi all. anyone using rssowl on kubuntu 10.04? need some help
[11:48] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: what strange repositories are you using?
[13:42] <cato37> how do i remove all the gnome apps out of the kde menu?
[13:43] <bazhang> cato37, all things gnome from your system, or simply from the menu
[13:44] <cato37> whatever is best. i think i get get by with all the kubuntu stuff.
[13:44] <bazhang> !purekde | cato37 this may help
[13:44] <cato37> thanx.
[13:46] <cato37> one more question. the desktop picture downloader reports that it has downloaded but they dont show to select. all i have is the light blue desktop background.
[13:46] <cato37> how do i fix it?
[13:49] <James147> cato37: the "get hot new stuff" dialogue has been improving over time but still still a bit flaky, I have noticed closing and reopening it helps some of the time... Other then that you can go directly to kde-look.org to get the wallpapers
[13:50] <cato37> k. thanks
[13:54] <cato37> is there a better command editor. when i type in a command with the run command from the menu it disappears and i have no idea if it completed the task.
[13:55] <cato37> is kate a command editor?
[13:55] <James147> cato37: kate is a text editor
[13:56] <James147> cato37: not sure what you mean by "command editor".... konsole is a terminal program you can run commands from
[13:56] <Torch> cato37: you want konsole
[13:56] <cato37> k. konsole.
[13:57] <James147> cato37: note that krunner (alt+f2) is very useful for running applications... although it can also run commands it is generally advised to run commands from a terminal applications like konsole if you want to see the output
[13:59] <cato37> thanx.
[13:59] <cato37> you are all very helpful. :)
[13:59] <cato37> bbl.
[14:02] <skramer_> hi, I want to setup my USB scanner to make it available in my home LAN
[14:02] <skramer_> how do I do this under Lucid?
[14:18] <paul__> hello
[14:18] <paul__> I'm trying to copy an img file onto a usb device using dd, but i'm getting permission denied. any ideas?
[14:18] <paul__> dd if=debian-live-usb-20090702.x64.img of=/dev/sdb1 (have tried with and without sudo)
[14:20] <khindenburg> paul__: I tried that a few days ago, I had to have write access to the .img file for some reason
[14:20] <paul__> oh thanks
[14:21] <paul__> still getting permission denied :-/
[14:23] <paul__> I hate Ubuntu.
[14:25] <Torch> paul__: what's the output of "ls -l /dev/sdb1"?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:26] <paul__> Torch: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8
[14:26] <Torch> paul__: ok, this tells you you either need to be in the disk group to have write access or be root.
[14:26] <paul__> ah
[14:26] <Torch> paul__: when you tried it with sudo you must have made a mistake.
[14:26] <paul__> I dunno how
[14:27] <paul__> sudo dd if=/home/paul/Downloads/debian-live-usb-20090702.x64.img of=/media/disk
[14:27] <Torch> paul__: no
[14:27] <paul__> what can I do
[14:27] <Torch> paul__: of=/dev/sdb1 (if that's the device you want to write to)
[14:27] <paul__> I tried that way too
[14:28] <Torch> paul__: try it again
[14:28] <Torch> paul__: also, unmount the device first
[14:28] <Torch> paul__: umount /dev/sdb1 as root
[14:28] <paul__> ok I will try to make sure it's umounted first
[14:28] <skramer_> what do I have to do to make my USB Scanner connected to desktop (Ubuntu 10.04) accessible to my laptop (Kubuntu 10.04)?
[14:28] <skramer_> any ideas?
[14:29] <paul__> sudo dd if=debian-live-usb-20090702.x64.img of=/dev/sdb1 = Permission denied
[14:30] <Torch> paul__: assuming you haven't chmodded the img file to 000 i am at a loss here, sorry.
[14:31] <paul__> Torch: I was able to do it, but I had to chmod everything to user:user, including /dev/sdb1 is that normal?
[14:31] <Torch> paul__: no
[14:32] <paul__> had to change the img file and the device to my own username and group
[14:32] <paul__> then it worked
[14:32] <paul__> i hate this permission stuff
[14:33] <pacheco> Hello Everybody!!! :)
[14:33] <bittin> hi
[14:34] <pacheco> This is the fist time that i'm using this chat!!!! this can be cool!:D
[14:36] <benishor> Hello all. Does anybody know if krusader can be configured so as to show file copy progress dialog and not use kde's notification & job system?
[14:37] <benishor> I'm looking to duplicate total commander's copy behaviour
[14:47] <BluesKaj> benishor,do you mean kommander ?
[14:51] <benishor> BluesKaj: no, I mean krusader
[14:54] <BluesKaj> benishor, I haven't used krusader , sorry .
[14:57] <benishor> BluesKaj: np, thanks
[15:19] <santosh> hi
[15:24] <BluesKaj> hi santosh
[15:24] <santosh> hellooo bluesKaj
[15:25] <BluesKaj> what's up ?
[15:25] <santosh> Nothing much, how're you
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:26] <santosh> Kde 4.5 beta is gud , which version you are using now
[15:31] <BluesKaj> 4.4.2
[15:32] <santosh> oh ok, you didnt upgrade to KDE 4.4.85 (KDE 4.4.85 (KDE 4.5 Beta2))yet?
[15:34] <cryke> wow, how many people... :) hello!
[15:36] <santosh> cryke , heloo
[15:38] <santosh> bye all
[15:45] <oxymoron> http://imagebin.ca/view/YSbNSlO.html - This happens every freaking time I restore last session on my desktop, konversaiton arent able to connect to server. If I restart Konversaiton it works though, but its freaking annoying. AND ANOTHEr problem/annoying thing in thet screenshot. You sess Konitify in the right bottom corner, how do I remove that freaking *** is typing a message. It shows it every five seconds or so. Alright if it
[15:45] <oxymoron> only notified first time the person types, but not all the time :S
[15:46] <slow-motion> hi
[15:48] <compilerwriter_> help I shaded a window and then accidently minimized it.  Now I can't seem to get it back.
[15:48] <Torch> oxymoron: you're aware that not too many people will be able to read those error messages in that language?
[15:51] <compilerwriter_> nevermind figured it out.
[15:58] <oxymoron> Torch: Huh? :S
[15:59] <Torch> oxymoron: run it with an english locale and show the error messages to the guys in #konversation
[16:00] <oxymoron> Torch: Oh you mean like that, well theres Google translate ... I need to reboot just to change language and show same errors again.
[16:01] <Torch> oxymoron: well, it's your decision.
[16:01] <oxymoron> Torch: And I dont think its Konversation, they just released 1.3 and this things wehn restoring session in new KDE 4.4 start freaking out things everywhere, nothing works as it should when restoring session.
[16:03] <oxymoron> Torch: I started to get problems with Amarok, Kopete and Rekonq as well when they shall restore themselves. I think its a KDE or QT issue.
[16:04] <oxymoron> Before I wined about that Cairo dock didnt work in #cairo-dock but then they eplained its because of crappy proprietary drivers, QT bug since forever and OpenGL problems.
[16:05] <oxymoron> If I may say so, FIX THE FREAKING problem sometime, I DONT CARE HOW, just do it. Dont waste time on unnecessary bugs and patches on things nobody cares of.
[16:07] <oxymoron> nouveau, Plymouth, Kopete, QT, Dragon Player especially need A LOT of love. Then built in out of the box support for OpenGL on ALL grpahic cards would be nice xD
[16:07] <Torch> oxymoron: want me to send you my hourly rates? ;-)
[16:08] <oxymoron> Torch: Hourly rates of what? :)
[16:09] <Torch> oxymoron: of pay. you know, if you demand someone do something for you asap, you'll have to pay for it.
[16:10] <oxymoron> Torch: Ah you mean payment, would you fix me a flawless OS from scratch, maybe I could :P
[16:10] <Torch> oxymoron: yelling at devs on various channels won't, that's for sure.
[16:11] <DarthFrog> Yelling at devs shows ingratitude and a mis-placed sense of entitlement.
[16:13] <oxymoron> It shows that at least someone feels abandoned. And I am positive more people agree to me.
[16:13] <oxymoron> Torch: And I am not only yelling ;)
[16:13] <Torch> oxymoron: you're also insulting us and burning our houses down?
[16:14] <oxymoron> Torch: Burning houses down, what?  Its not personally at any programmers/devs, its in general.
[16:17] <oxymoron> Its like Idol on TV, they get critisized all the time by a jury, see me as a part of a jury who thinks and say hes opinion. You either listen or you dont. But just the fact you act and feel something is good, it means you care in someway.
[17:06] <FullMetalJocker> hi all there
[17:07] <FullMetalJocker> i've a problem, of course..
[17:08] <FullMetalJocker> plz help me..
[17:08] <emonkey> FullMetalJocker, just ask or you'll get en answer ... ;-)
[17:08] <Torch> FullMetalJocker: don't ask meta questions
[17:09] <apparle_> !ask | FullMetalJocker
[17:09] <FullMetalJocker> kde kipi plugin doesn't work anymore with facebook
[17:13] <FullMetalJocker> kde kipi facebook plugin unable to upload photos
[17:16] <emonkey> FullMetalJocker, looks like my kopete Facebook plugin don't work too ... maybe FB do some things with their APIs?
[17:16] <emonkey> FullMetalJocker, looks like my kopete Facebook plugin don't work too ... maybe FB do some things with their APIs?
[17:17] <FullMetalJocker> really don't have a clue what they are doing in fb..
[17:17] <emonkey> mee either
[17:17] <emonkey> anybody around with similar problems?
[17:31] <Guest50317> que pasa peña
[17:35] <FullMetalJocker> kde kipi facebook plugin unable to upload photos
[17:37] <Muzer> Where's the oxygen-zion theme? I can't find it by default or in the repo...
[17:56] <BluesKaj> Muzer, system settings /  appearance / windows
[17:57] <Muzer> nope
[17:57] <Muzer> can't see zion
[18:01] <BluesKaj> Muzer, check www.kde-look.org
[18:09] <Anubis> hi there
[18:09] <Anubis> i'm trying to remove pidgin-ppa, but i receive this error
[18:09] <Anubis> !pastebin
[18:11] <Anubis> this is the error
[18:11] <Anubis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/450176/
[18:13] <Torch> Muzer: looks like a packaging bug, maybe.
[18:15] <cato37> the package installer that came up thru the information window seems to be stuck at 42% installing the flash plugin. what should i do to encourage it to finish?
[18:16] <cato37> lol. nvrmnd it just finished...
[18:21] <Anubis> so, can anyone tell me how to fix this problem (http://paste.ubuntu.com/450176/)
[18:35] <apparle> does kopete support file transfer via gtalk
[19:21] <Andrew9> hi everyone! a problem with audacity. it shows me sound volume levels for my mic but when i start record it hungs after 0.5-1 sec.
[19:50] <restcoser> Sry i know this is offtopic but where i can find servers for only chatting and no helpserver? sry im new
[19:56] <harjot> ubuntu offopic
[19:57] <harjot> #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:57] <harjot> restcoser: #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:57] <restcoser> thx
[20:02] <Mamarok> restcoser: or #kubuntu-offtopic if it's about KDE
[20:10] <xcfdj> can I get some help concerning a Kubuntu issue ?
[20:11] <xcfdj> hullo ?
[20:12] <jhunold> !ask
[20:13] <xcfdj> k
[20:14] <xcfdj> I have a problem pairing my phone to Kubuntu , it returns "sorry , your device doesnt support input services "
[20:14] <xcfdj> how can I fix that ?
[20:15] <xcfdj> by the way , it's Kubuntu 9.10
[20:24] <Andrew9> a problem with audacity. it shows me sound volume levels for my mic but when i start recording it hungs after 0.5-1 sec.
[20:25] <xcfdj> try a deferent sound input architecture
[20:25] <xcfdj> my suggestion ; JACK
[20:27] <Andrew9> xcfdj: what's that? another driver?
[20:27] <xcfdj> not exactly a driver ; it's a linux sound output system , like Alsa
[20:28] <Andrew9> xcfdj: ok thanks
[20:28] <xcfdj> no problem m8
[20:29] <xcfdj> not sure how to set that up on KDE ; but I do remember how on Gnome
[20:31] <xcfdj> got some stuff to do
[20:31] <xcfdj> bbl
[20:34] <akajou> Hi all. Anyone with Ubuntu Server 10.04 willing to "sudo aptitude install btrfs-tools" and tell me the output of "ls -ld /dev/bt*"?
[20:34] <Andrew9> how to turn off "clear clipboard" after app was closed ?
[20:34] <akajou> I am wondering if the package is broken when used with Ubuntu Server or if the problem is peculiar to my machine...
[20:35] <Guest90793> good evening. probably has been asked before: how can i use oxygen style for gtk apps in lucid?
[20:36] <Andrew9> Guest90793: i'd ask that too
[20:41] <Guest90793> no one having an clue?
[20:42] <akajou> Or anyone have btrfs-tools installed and in use on Ubuntu Server 10.04?
[20:42] <Andrew9> or anyone knows how to keep text in clipboard?
[20:50] <akajou> (Actually, I need the Ubuntu Server channel - sorry.)
[21:15] <yujiar> 打击好阿
[21:15] <yujiar> 各位猴子们= =
[21:16] <maco> !cn | yujiar
[21:17] <bigbrovar> has anyone been able to get round the akonadi problem in kubuntu lucid?
[21:17] <bigbrovar> it doesnt start with the system and just generally flakky
[21:19] <bill_> can anyone help me with GRUB 2
[21:22] <bill_> I have a laptop and had XP installed, then I installed Kubuntu. I wanted to try peppermint, so I installed it on my ext USB HD. Now I have to have my USB ext HD connected to get the boot menu. SO I need to have the MBR on the internal laptop HD vice the ext USB HD. HELP???
[21:24] <bill_> anyone here?
[21:24] <bukayoo> bill_: boot to your os b4 peppermint then grub install /dev/sda
[21:24] <Andrew9> bill_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 section 13. Reinstalling GRUB 2 from the LiveCD
[21:25] <Andrew9> bill_: make sure you install it to the right disk this time
[21:25] <bukayoo> bill_: then update-grub
[21:25] <bill_> will I still be able to boot to peppermint if I connect the USB HD
[21:26] <bukayoo> as long as it's connected
[21:26] <bill_> ok will give it a try
[21:26] <bukayoo> during the update-grub
[21:27] <bukayoo> bill_: that shud be grub-install
[21:27] <bill_> ok thks
[21:28] <bukayoo> bill_: after the update-grub list it out to check
[21:28] <bukayoo> bill
[21:29] <bukayoo> bill_: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:29] <bill_> yes
[21:29] <bukayoo> gtg
[21:47] <seba_> hi
[21:49] <mime> hello. i just instaleld some packages, but they are a lot, and want to erase them, is any way to sort the installed packages by day? thanks.
[21:57] <JOSF> Hi! How can I make the K-menu (Start) longer, so it keeps more entries visible at once?
[21:58] <James147> JOSF: Click the top corner and drag
[21:59] <JOSF> James147: Great! Thanks. I tried it already but nothing happened. Seems one needs to find the special corner. Thanks a lot.
[22:14] <BluesKaj> mime, did you use apt/package manager to install them or did you update ?
[22:15] <BluesKaj> dinnertime , bbl
[22:29] <Atamisk> hello, what packages do i need to install to "cross-grade" UNR 10.04 to KNR 10.04?
[22:33] <James147> Atamisk: UNR, KNR - [k]ubuntu netbook remix? Then install kubuntu-netbook or ubuntu-netbook
[22:35] <Atamisk> cool, thanks
[22:51] <cristian> alguem do brasil ai
[22:51] <cristian> BRASILLLLLLLLL
[22:52] <cristian> world cup
[22:59] <aris_> ellada kaneis?
[23:00] <jlj> !gr
[23:01] <slow-motion> n8
[23:29] <quesada_> is sftp from dolphin working for you? I got an error msg about encryption
[23:31] <James147> quesada_: its working here (kde 4.5 beta) but also worked in 4.4
[23:34] <quesada_> James147: hmm I wonder what's wrong with this system


[15:21] <thumper> morning
[18:27] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:43] <snail> morning
[18:52] <Atamira> mornin
[18:52] <Atamira> what a terrible day
[18:53] <Atamira> was cooler inside the office than outside
[19:11] <ajmitch> morning
[21:00] <mwhudson> morning
[22:38] <mwhudson> man, i feel sorry for that guy on the wellylug list
[22:39] <mwhudson> but i wish he would stop
[22:39] <ajmitch> what is he doing?
[22:39] <mwhudson> asking for help, cluelessly
[22:40]  * ajmitch looks at the archives & sees one name repeated many times
[22:41] <mwhudson> i think he seems to have screwed up his DNS, but as he seems incapable of reading or writing emails that actually contain information...
[22:43] <ajmitch> some of the responses are amusing
[22:43] <ajmitch> it does get a bit frustrating when the only information you get is "it doesn't work!"
[23:55] <ojwb> is wellylug active beyond the list?
[23:56] <ojwb> website seems to claim monthly meetings, but have none listed
[23:57] <ibeardslee> a lot of stuff seems to ahve fallen by the wayside and Jethro was overloading himself with work
[23:58]  * ojwb STR there was a hutt valley meeting listed when I arrived here too
[23:59] <ibeardslee> that was to cater for thse out that way .. but they seem to fail if there isn't someone to push at them


[02:43] <andjjj23> might the 6.1rc6 kernel be dropping here soon? https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/