[04:01] <amazoniantoad> Hey guys. Is ota coming out today or tomorrow?
[04:22] <amazoniantoad> Sorry, lost connection. Is ota 13 coming ouy today?
[04:30] <duflu> amazoniantoad: All I know is the expected date moved to the 19th... (?)  https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/13
[04:34] <amazoniantoad> Duflu thanks
[04:34] <duflu> No problem. I know nothing of the reasons, just the web page to look at
[05:39] <amazoniantoad> Duflu is the new update going to give the UI a facelift?
[06:51] <jgdx> popey, hey, have you received an app update lately?
[06:55] <JasonD> Hello! I have just recieved my Nexdock! It works with UT Nexus 4 but screen resolution is wrong, anyone any ideas how to correct it?
[06:58] <sebsebseb> hi
[06:59] <JasonD> Hi
[06:59] <sebsebseb> JasonD: hi
[07:00] <JasonD> Hello! I have just recieved my Nexdock! It works with UT Nexus 4 but screen resolution is wrong, anyone any ideas how to correct it?
[07:03] <sebsebseb> JasonD: oh nice yours has actasully come the NExdock :)
[07:04] <sebsebseb> JasonD: I  crowd funded that as well,  still waiting for the we a are about to ship or have shipped your nexdock email
[07:04] <JasonD> Yes! :)
[07:04] <sebsebseb> JasonD: I hope to use it at an event next month actaully
[07:04] <sebsebseb> assuming it's suitable for what I have in mind
[07:04] <sebsebseb> a public event
[07:04] <sebsebseb> that I am organising
[07:04] <sebsebseb> and assuming I get it in time as well
[07:05] <sebsebseb> should do
[07:05] <JasonD> Mine just arrived today, hadn't even got the shipping email, I am in Hong Kong tbf
[07:05] <sebsebseb> JasonD: yeah that explains it
[07:05] <sebsebseb> if near should come sooner I guess or possibly
[07:05] <sebsebseb> I am in England so
[07:05] <sebsebseb> if near to the sender
[07:05] <sebsebseb> JasonD: they are being sent out from Hong Kong or whatever the updATE SAID
[07:05] <JasonD> yeah
[07:05] <sebsebseb> JasonD: you may be the first one to have one like that :d
[07:06] <sebsebseb> if not one of the first
[07:06] <sebsebseb> must be soe more from hong kong etc to who crwod funded it
[07:06] <JasonD> Living in HK has some benefits!
[07:06] <JasonD> Just need to work out why the screen resolution is wonky
[07:07] <sebsebseb> JasonD: how is ther resoltuion wrong
[07:07] <sebsebseb> also how does it work with various devices?
[07:08] <JasonD> I'm at work atm, just tried it with Nexus 4 so far
[07:09] <sebsebseb> JasonD: ok so what happended with the NeXUs 4
[07:09] <JasonD> I think the device is trying to do too high a resolutuion I think for the screen, not sure, hoping to find someone here with better knowledge
[07:09]  * sebsebseb meaning to buy a Nexus 4 becUSE wel it was the first ubuntu os tested device and it can run things and should be able to get some where dcheap ish now ebay etc
[07:09] <sebsebseb> JasonD: the devicce is like connecting to a tv I think
[07:09] <sebsebseb> that was my understanding
[07:10] <sebsebseb> so in the nexdock itself I guess there aren't really many changes for things like resolutions
[07:10] <sebsebseb> but in the devices that are connected to it, there should be
[07:10] <sebsebseb> I guess
[07:10] <JasonD> The screen on the Nexdock screen powers up once you have connected the Nexus 4 and pressed the power button, bluetooth was detected fine
[07:10] <sebsebseb> JasonD: you got it early, but I expect there will be quite a lot of more people recieing the nexdock as well who have nexus 4's
[07:11] <sebsebseb> I may even bedcoeo ne of those once I have bought one
[07:11] <sebsebseb> might buy a nexus 4 cheap on ebay  depending on what my money is like ths month or if not this month next
[07:11]  * sebsebseb has other tech that want to buy etc uh
[07:11] <JasonD> lol
[07:11] <sebsebseb> it's ok I Got two real Ubuntu phones already so uhmm
[07:12] <sebsebseb> I probably don't really need a nexus 4 at my event next month as well, but that wasn't why I wAS buying as such or want to buy. I want to play with differnet oses on a nexus 4 etc
[07:12] <sebsebseb> JasonD: I am oragnsing an event as well for next month,  aimed at general public, where going to show how easy it can be to install Desktop Linux, but also have mobile stuff a bit
[07:13] <sebsebseb> and even Creaitve Commons a bit, so background music,  and open movies on a projecter, and some graphiccs and yeah
[07:13] <JasonD> Nice
[07:13] <sebsebseb> JasonD: mobile Linux stuff a bit
[07:14] <sebsebseb> JasonD: I think with Ubuntu touch, I'll just be honest at the same time to :d  when showing any of that,  like well this isn't quite ready for general public yet because.....   but this has a lot of  potential at becoing much more relievent in the next few years or so becAUSE....
[07:14] <JasonD> Which other Mobile OS on N4? I know Sailfish will run on it
[07:14] <sebsebseb> JasonD: but yes I indeed to show convergence so
[07:14] <sebsebseb> I also have a Jolla phone so yes Salifsih OS
[07:14] <JasonD> Ha ha, so do I
[07:14] <sebsebseb> I should really look at that one agin properly, sort it out, upgrade to Salifsh 2.0 etc
[07:14] <sebsebseb> I also got a Firefox OS phone
[07:14] <sebsebseb> JasonD: interestinly I have the remix devices as well
[07:15] <sebsebseb> crowd funded the remix mini's and then did the perk for the tablet whilst at it as well
[07:15] <JasonD> Remix? Don't recall that
[07:15] <sebsebseb> ok those are Android based, but it's the like Android x86 project
[07:15] <sebsebseb> ported to devices
[07:15] <sebsebseb> and by three former Google employee's who started Jide tech
[07:15] <JasonD> oh yes I have read about that
[07:15] <sebsebseb> JasonD: I haven't done much with the mini's since not connected to a tv
[07:15] <sebsebseb> but I think those should work with the nexdock as well so :d
[07:16] <sebsebseb> like with the rassbery pi for example again not done much with my two rassbery pi's
[07:16] <sebsebseb> JasonD: I indeed to use the nexdock mostly with such devices, that don't have a screen
[07:16] <JasonD> Yes, I need to try with RPi too
[07:17] <sebsebseb> JasonD: so  what connects to the nexdock
[07:17] <sebsebseb> how do you connedct?
[07:17] <sebsebseb> usb cable hdmi, or what?
[07:17] <sebsebseb> also apparnatly the bluetooth on it for the keybboard needs some configuring ?
[07:17] <JasonD> It's at home, I'll try the HDMI I think first
[07:17] <sebsebseb> ok it has hdmi
[07:17] <sebsebseb> and anything else ?
[07:18] <JasonD> two usb ports
[07:18] <JasonD> it's a mini HDMI port
[07:19] <JasonD> A microsd slot, headphone socket
[07:19] <sebsebseb> JasonD: yeah I knew this thing looekd good when I crowd funded
[07:19] <sebsebseb> but I was never completly sure what was really in it  and such
[07:19] <JasonD> A microphone inbuilt and a webcam
[07:19] <sebsebseb> indeed web cam built in I remmber reading that
[07:20] <sebsebseb> JasonD: I am about to recieveu hmm 4 old ones for desktops it seems, with uh other old stuff some of it probably interesting decent enough, but uhmm yeah
[07:20] <sebsebseb> hardware give away from someone
[07:20] <JasonD> Finish work in 2.5 hrs then will have a better play..
[07:20] <sebsebseb> JasonD: oh maybe my Nexdock will even work with some old Sun Ulta 5 work station I am going to recieve as well, or maybe not for that one
[07:21] <sebsebseb> IRC at work hmm
[07:21] <sebsebseb> that's a  nice job :d
[07:21] <sebsebseb> what do you do?
[07:21] <JasonD> I have no idea what they are...
[07:21] <sebsebseb> JasonD: also I forgot to tell you, but I am actualllly your boss :d
[07:21] <JasonD> I work for a company that does RFID
[07:21] <JasonD> ha ha
[07:21] <JasonD> it's nearly 3:30pm here...
[07:22] <sebsebseb> yeah time zones
[07:22] <sebsebseb> 8 hours a head
[07:22] <JasonD> yup
[07:22] <sebsebseb> JasonD: how did you find out about the nexdock?/
[07:23] <sebsebseb> and when?
[07:23] <JasonD> OMGUbuntu or something like that
[07:23] <sebsebseb> oh
[07:23] <sebsebseb> JasonD: I actsaullly saw a tweet frojm Jane Silber the Canonicl CEO in my emails
[07:23] <JasonD> I got in fairly early
[07:23] <sebsebseb> I have a a Twitter account, but don't really use it so
[07:24] <sebsebseb> Canonical CEO above
[07:24] <sebsebseb> and it said like oh this could work good with convergence
[07:24] <JasonD> the superbook looked good too, but not quite what was needed for UT
[07:24] <sebsebseb> JasonD: do you think as  a owner now of a nexdock that using it  with various devices
[07:24] <sebsebseb> includding possibly peopels own devices :D
[07:25] <sebsebseb> that it will be interesting for them ?
[07:25] <sebsebseb> JasonD: let peopole connect their own android phone  or whatever to it maybe
[07:37] <duflu> Saviq, tvoss, anyone: Please attach a milestone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/platform-api/+bug/1620553
[07:37] <duflu> Assuming the diagnosis is correct
[08:01] <tvoss> duflu: I think there is a deeper issue hiding there, with usensord misbehaving. we identified a recent landing to negatively impact performance
[08:02] <duflu> tvoss: Well the milestone can be wrong... that's better than leaking bugs in the backlog because we lost failed to close them unattached to any milestone
[08:26] <JasonD> Hi, sry to ask again, anyone know why a Nexus 4 would have the wrong screen resolution using a Nexdock?
[08:27] <JasonD> or how to change it?
[08:28] <duflu> JasonD: Can you open a shell on the Nexus to try a command?
[08:29] <duflu> Oh, you don't need to. The logs will mention the resolution. Let me find the paths
[08:30] <JasonD> hi, yes, I amjust testing it connected to a laptop (typing on it now) I'll just fire up the Nexus and connect it
[08:30] <duflu> JasonD: As root look through /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log* as that will mention resolution of displays.
[08:31] <duflu> JasonD: Also ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log* will mention resolution
[08:45] <JasonD> ok, /var/log... says resolution 1920x1080, screen can do 1366x768
[08:49] <duflu> JasonD: Is that connected by cable?
[08:49] <duflu> Wireless?
[08:50] <JasonD> slimport cable to hdmi cable
[08:50] <duflu> If it's connected by cable then possibly the Nexdock hardware is reporting incorrect resolution over HDMI.
[08:50] <duflu> Although I can also see Mir's android code has the virtual display hardcoded to 1920x1080, but wired shouldn't be using that
[08:51] <JasonD> I have tested it with 2 laptops which worked ok via hdmi onlyt
[08:51] <duflu> Yeah Mir's android code is curious. I did not expect to find a resolution hardcoded but also didn't think HDMI would use that code
[08:53] <JasonD> is there a way to specify the displayport resolution?
[08:55] <JasonD> hmm, mirserver: 0.1 LVDS 4.7" 61x102mm / mirserver: 0.2 Displayport 0.0" 0x0mm
[08:56] <JasonD> That's probably our problme
[08:56] <duflu> JasonD: No sorry. Please subscribe to the bug and we'll see what our android people say tomorrow. https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1620961
[08:56] <duflu> JasonD: Also please paste that bit of the log into the bug
[08:58] <duflu> Oh, I wonder...
[08:58] <duflu> JasonD: Can you run this command to see more info?   mirout -- --desktop_file_hint=unity8
[08:58] <duflu> mirout -- --desktop_file_hint=unity8
[08:59] <JasonD> sure
[09:00] <JasonD> what do u want to know...
[09:00] <duflu> JasonD: The full output of mirout?
[09:04] <popey> jgdx: what am I looking for in particular
[09:04] <popey> ?
[09:05] <JasonD> Connected to server: <default> Card 0 Max 3 simultaneous outputs Output 1: Card 0, LVDS, connected, 768x1280+0+0, used, on, 61mm x 102mm (4.7"), normal
[09:06] <duflu> JasonD: While the Nexdock is connected
[09:06] <JasonD> Output 2: Card 0 , Displayport, connected, 1920x1080+768_0, used, on, 0mm x 0mm (0.0"), normal
[09:07] <popey> jgdx: i successfully installed r172, and have r175 on the way
[09:07] <JasonD> Output 3: Card 0, Virtual, disconnected
[09:07] <duflu> Interesting, thanks
[09:09] <JasonD> np
[09:09] <duflu> JasonD: I'm just swapping graphics cards in unrelated matters. Then will look at the code again. In the mean time please subscribe to the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1620961
[09:09] <matv1> good morning
[09:10] <JasonD> ok, thx
[09:10] <matv1> jw has anyone been thinking about handing over language settings to libertine applications?
[09:11] <matv1> is there a way to do that?
[09:16] <matv1> If not -and i am expecting this might be tricky- where should I file a bug/fr ?
[09:17] <duflu> matv1: Yes please file a bug. It should just be correct passing of environment variables (which should be happening automatically)
[09:18] <matv1> duflu hi, ok but am i correct in assuming this isnt implemented right now? or is it but just not working for me right now?
[09:18] <duflu> matv1: Sounds like just a bug. It should already work
[09:19] <duflu> There should be nothing to implement, so it's a bug
[09:19] <matv1> ah. I see. whats the package i should be filing against?
[09:19] <matv1> unity8?
[09:20] <duflu> matv1: Try  https://bugs.launchpad.net/libertine/+filebug
[09:20] <matv1> duflu right will do, thanks!
[09:20] <duflu> matv1: Oh .... https://bugs.launchpad.net/libertine/+bug/1609982
[09:21] <matv1> duflu even better i will check if its the same and do a plus one :)
[09:27] <matv1> duflu right it turns out the libertine containers are created with a handfull of ' most-prefered' lang packs. Mine isnt in there. Its to keep the size of the containers down. As these are click packs you cant add lang packs to them.
[09:28] <matv1> so the handing over of the env variable works but in my case it cant do anything with it
[09:28] <matv1> still up in the air if this is a bug or not
[09:29] <matv1> I will plus one it anyway and see what happens :)
[09:31] <mmwolbrink> Hello all, is ota13 still scheduled for today ?
[09:36] <matv1> mwolbrink no thats not my understanding
[09:36] <matv1> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/13
[09:36] <matv1> its says expected: 2016-09-19
[09:38] <mmwolbrink> Hmm dont remember where i got the 7nth from. Must be softpedia or some other site. Thanks
[09:39] <matv1> mwolbrink np
[09:42] <duflu> JasonD: Best I can tell from the code that incorrect resolution is coming from the Android driver via HWC. So it seems the problem is lower level than Mir. If not the Nexdock then a bug in the phone or Android kernel/drivers :(
[09:42] <duflu> But kdub should give a clearer answer tomorrow-ish
[09:43] <JasonD> ok, thx
[09:45] <JasonD> The Nexus 4 works ok with an external display I have here and finds the right resolution for that?
[09:46] <JasonD> btw
[09:48] <duflu> JasonD: Is it full HD?
[09:48] <JasonD> 1600x900
[09:48] <duflu> JasonD: Is that under Android or Ubuntu ?
[09:49] <JasonD> Apologies, it is 1920x1080
[09:49] <duflu> JasonD: Yeah that's inconclusive
[09:49] <JasonD> I could run that command again with the external screen?
[09:50] <JasonD> That's running UT Nexus 4 to the external screen
[09:50] <duflu> JasonD: No, don't worry about it thanks
[09:51] <duflu> We wouldn't be able to tell a bug from correct behaviour on a FHD display
[09:51] <JasonD> oknp
[09:53] <duflu> I do have one less-than-FHD display that might work. If I get it working I'll comment on the bug.
[09:54] <duflu> But not today
[09:55] <JasonD> np, thx for your help
[09:56] <duflu> JasonD: No problem. Just about end of the day here...
[09:56] <JasonD> ha ha me too, I'm about to leave work..
[09:57] <duflu> Popular timezone
[09:57] <JasonD> +8hr
[09:57] <duflu> Yes
[09:57] <JasonD> HK, u?
[09:58] <duflu> Perth, practically the same longitude
[09:58] <JasonD> Ah yes, friend of mine emmigrated there
[09:58] <JasonD> Maybe catch you tom
[09:58] <duflu> Indeed. I'm here all week. Try the OS
[09:59] <JasonD> laters
[11:13] <jgdx> popey, nm, got one :)
[11:17] <lol_> a
[11:18] <lol_> aaaaa
[12:29] <horuxan> hi all
[12:29] <horuxan> good morning
[12:29] <horuxan> im have error on sudo mkdir -p $ANDROID_ROOT
[12:30] <horuxan> mkdir: missing operand
[12:30] <horuxan> one people have idea to fix this error w
[12:30] <horuxan> ?
[12:30] <ukkopekka_> Please help me to download Aquaris M10- ubuntu-touch "Scatter-loading" file.
[13:13] <javier4> horuxan, which guide are you following? Probably your $ANDROID_ROOT variable is empty.
[13:14] <horuxan> sorry ..
[13:14] <horuxan> error on irc
[13:14] <horuxan> im porting sailfish os
[13:14] <horuxan> ubuntu touch no have build for moto g 2 titan
[13:14] <horuxan> xt1069
[13:14] <horuxan> or no ?
[13:21] <popey> !devices | horuxan
[13:21] <popey> ^that pages lists images we have
[14:53] <seb128> dbarth_, mardy, can you get ~ubuntu-webapps-bugs subscribed to online-accounts-api  as requested on bug #1613575
[15:10] <ogra_> jibel, davmor2, hmm, since todays update my fingerprint unlock seems to not work anymore ... and the security page in system-settings doesnt have that option anymore
[15:12]  * ogra_ reboots
[15:13] <ogra_> bah, was a race it seems ... a reboot brought it back
[15:29] <seb128> pete-woods, hey, could you have a look/reply to the review comment on bug #1612259?
[15:33] <pete-woods> seb128: sure, I really need to get on with fixing that stuff
[15:33] <seb128> pete-woods, thanks
[15:46] <seb128> dobey, hey, could you open a MIR for ubuntuone-credentials?
[15:57] <dbarth_> seb128: ack
[15:58] <seb128> dbarth_, thanks
[17:54] <Mcihal> hello, I need really help, I am fighting with flash ubuntu to meizu mx4 3rd day and still can not find good way. Please help
[17:56] <Mcihal> If you tell me how flash ubuntu to mx4 then I find girl to you
[17:57] <Mcihal> I am really desperate
[18:05] <Mcihal> hello, I need really help, I am fighting with flash ubuntu to meizu mx4 3rd day and still can not find good way. Please help
[18:07] <TheKit> Mcihal, https://yadi.sk/d/Xuvo0JXImWnQN
[18:07] <TheKit> read http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=665051&st=140 through Google Translate if you can
[18:09] <TheKit> basically if you have not Ubuntu edition of MX4, Ubuntu Touch needs to be repacked for it
[18:10] <Mcihal> Russia language is not friend. If I understand in my twrp set backup and put there mx4_install_ubuntu_ota12-dualboot-20160708.zip?
[18:11] <TheKit> check README.txt
[18:12] <TheKit> you need to unlock bootloader, install CyanogenMod, backup boot partition
[18:12] <TheKit> (in TWRP)
[18:13] <k1l_> ogra_: i set +t for this channel due to the topic troll making the rounds again. the irc team is discussing advising the ubuntu channels to use +t as standard. we could think about making ubuntu member cloaks +o too so they can set topic when needed.
[18:15] <Mcihal> ok, step by step before I lost you -- install CyanogenMod -> just install any version for mx4?
[18:16] <TheKit> yes, it shouldn't matter
[18:16] <TheKit> it says you can even have unofficial Flyme as long as it supports TWRP and you have bootloader unlocked
[18:20] <Mcihal> I have TWRP and bootloader unlocked
[18:21] <Mcihal> I use program, it unlock and install TWRP
[18:21] <Mcihal> So next?
[18:24] <ogra_> k1l_, well, we should add sil21000 to the admins then, he needs to change the topic regulary when OTAs come out ... and indeed in other channels we have bots that manage the topics ... this is very unfortunate
[18:24] <TheKit> backup your boot, then flash mx4_install_ubuntu_ota12-dualboot-20160708.zip
[18:25] <Mcihal> ok I go to do this. Anyway I need tell you big thanks...
[18:48] <Mcihal> I flashed it ok, but after restart go to android
I flashed it ok, but after restart go to android
[18:50] <TheKit> you also need to flash mx4_switch_to_ubuntu_ota12-20160708.zip
[18:51] <Mcihal> I see...
OHHH MY GOD, you are best man on the word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:55] <Mcihal> It works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[18:55] <TheKit> good :)
[18:55] <k1l_> ogra_: if sil2100 got a freenode account he can be put onto the access list and set the topic. i am not sure what person/team is actually in charge of this channel :)
[18:56] <TheKit> you can restore your boot backup to switch back to Android and then flash mx4_switch_to_ubuntu_ota12-20160708.zip to go back to Ubuntu again
[18:56] <TheKit> say thanks to the author of that method, I just remembered about that 4PDA topic
[18:57] <taiebot> Hey is there a work around for https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1620828
[19:02] <Mcihal> But I browser almost all internet on the word and I don't find your tutorial, you are big man really
[19:05] <pmcgowan> jgdx,  any workaround for taiebot
[19:38] <taiebot> pmcgowan ,jgdx. I managed went on http://login.ubuntu.com and remove the ubuntu phablet applications from the login access..
[19:39] <pmcgowan> taiebot, ok sorry for that
[19:41] <taiebot> pmcgowan: yeah i am not sure it would be really easy for 1st time user to do that but hey it's working now getting balls updated :-)
[20:12] <taiebot> Still having problem with one app. Is riddling not a free app anymore? I cannot update it anymore and it looks like it's a paid app now. I do not remember paying for it. I must have installed it like two years ago when it was first released. Would this break the update, going from free to pay app?
[20:15] <pmcgowan> taiebot, it used to be free, but after I finally finished the questions I must have overwritten it
[20:15] <pmcgowan> I would hope if you purchased it you would get an update but not sure
[20:21] <taiebot> pmcgowan: Well i am not bothered to delete the app but maybe it would be good to understand why it cannot update. There was a new release on the 4th of september
[20:22] <pmcgowan> taiebot, I assume you need to purchase it?
[20:22] <pmcgowan> if the free version was removed or replaced by paid version
[20:22] <pmcgowan> taiebot, so it tells you there is an update but doesnt give it to you
[20:23] <taiebot> pmcgowan: yeah there is an update pending but when i click on it it just says update failed/ installation failed
[20:23] <pmcgowan> not very friendly


[16:00] <locodir-user> Hi anybody home?
[16:01] <czajkowski> locodir-user: hi
[16:02] <locodir-user> Hi Im a noob looking for some help with ubuntu server setup.
[16:02] <locodir-user> How do I go about looking for advice?
[16:03] <czajkowski> locodir-user: for server stuff you're better of asking in #ubuntu-server
[16:03] <locodir-user> I did and asked  question but no responses
[16:04] <czajkowski> locodir-user: busy channel
[16:04] <czajkowski> locodir-user: or the main channel #ubuntu
[16:05] <locodir-user> thanks but is there anyone local I can talk to just to get me going. Ive made some progress by myself.
[16:05] <tdr112> locodir-user: i can help with some server questions
[16:06] <locodir-user> tdr112: thanks I got some specific serup questions which should be easy enough
[16:07] <locodir-user> Can I tell you the setup?
[16:07] <tdr112> yep
[16:08] <tdr112> ask away
[16:08] <tdr112> i am doing other things too so wait for an answer
[16:08] <locodir-user> OK its a small windows workgroup used for training ECDL students.
[16:09] <locodir-user> I want to set up a Primary Domain Controller via samba (already working - kinda)  and an email server which is my sticking point.
[16:11] <locodir-user> The  lan never sees the internet - and never will . I want to set up postfix to work with Outlook  on the students machines.
[16:11] <tdr112> ok
[16:11] <locodir-user> I dont need a print server as the printers are network models already.
[16:12] <locodir-user> I got shares working so students can share files.
[16:12] <slashtommy> what's your postfix problem?
[16:13] <locodir-user> Mainly getting the domain names accepted
[16:13] <locodir-user> The documentation assumes I am connecting to the internet to read real MX records.
[16:13] <slashtommy> have you an entry in /etc/hosts on the server?
[16:14] <slashtommy> postfix will not need to lookup the mx, provided that it knows it is the server
[16:14] <locodir-user> I'm quite weak in this area so I am slavishly following the documentation]
[16:14] <slashtommy> what's in /etc/mailname
[16:15] <locodir-user> Yes but I can get to the point of sending emails to mbox  and then to Maildir ok
[16:15] <locodir-user> Hang on I'll look
[16:17] <slashtommy> then you have done it
[16:17] <slashtommy> you realise that postfix does not provide imap/pop3?
[16:17] <slashtommy> you will need to install something like dovecot
[16:19] <locodir-user> OK mailname is = heritage.net
[16:20] <slashtommy> before you change anything, as i understand it you can send emails using SMTP and they go to the destination user's mailbox?
[16:20] <locodir-user> yes
[16:21] <slashtommy> so it works
[16:21] <locodir-user> I installed courier-pop
[16:21] <slashtommy> your postfix is fine
[16:21] <slashtommy> ok, i would have suggested dovecot - always got on better with that
[16:22] <locodir-user> ok getting past the next step is where im stuck
[16:22] <locodir-user> installed courier imap
[16:23] <locodir-user> OK I'll take off courier if it will help
[16:23] <slashtommy> i'm afraid i have no experience with courier imap
[16:23] <locodir-user> so dovecot then
[16:24] <locodir-user> I want the students to do ll the ECDL stuff which would mean imap
[16:25] <slashtommy> imap is fine
[16:25] <locodir-user> BW I gor apache going - a breeze
[16:27] <locodir-user> I  want the teacher to be able to administer the email system. She will need a very simple interface. GUI of possible
[16:27] <slashtommy> to administer postfix and the imap daemon?
[16:27] <locodir-user> I'll go off and install dovecot and read up about it and come back
[16:29] <locodir-user> yes to administer the thing. I just want to set it up. When students rotate through the course we andt to purge the account and start again with a new account.
[16:33] <slashtommy> if you want to return the server to the original state, maybe you want to store a disk image
[16:34] <locodir-user> OK but tellme what can dovecot do that courier cannot?
[16:35] <slashtommy> i recommend dovecot over courier for the same reason why i would recommend postfix over sendmail
[16:35] <locodir-user> BTW the server i'm using is just an old thing made up from spare parts.  using Putty from win xp to control it.
[16:36] <locodir-user> I dont care as it is a training machine for me. The actual server will be set up when i get my knowledge up.
[16:37] <slashtommy> dovecot is ime far easier to work with
[16:38] <locodir-user> OK. Well I'm out of time for the moment. Can I come back later when I got dovecot installed.
[16:39] <ebel> there's a web gui for managing postfix addresses i think
[16:39] <ebel> thought that's mostly for doing things like adding new aliases, rather than the whole imap/postfix/etc stack
[16:39] <ebel> (i.e. i dunno if it'll remove the actual emails etc)
[16:40] <locodir-user> Ooh that is somthing I will need. Can it be run from windows. the teacher does not know linux and has never used command line.
[16:41] <locodir-user> The teacher will just want to add new accounts and delete old ones. Maybe not even delete old ones as I can do that myself occasionally.
[16:45] <ebel> http://postfixadmin.sourceforge.net/ look at this?
[16:45] <ebel> should work over the web
[16:48] <locodir-user> Thanks ebel I will check it out. I gotta go. Thanks everyone. I'll be back again with a proper irc client later to continue the adventure.
[16:48] <locodir-user> All the best.
[16:48] <ebel> No problem. Drop in any time, if you have questions
[16:49] <locodir-user> Thanks bye.
[20:45] <airurando> good evening
[20:58] <tdr112> hey
[21:16] <airurando> hi tdr112
[21:16] <airurando> sorry about that
[21:17] <airurando> I managed to disable unity while messing with compiz settings.
[21:17] <airurando> funny when you are confronted with a blank screen
[23:14] <ubu-stu> How do you create a samba share so the webmaster can own the website but other domain users cannot see it.
[23:14] <ubu-stu> The web guy will be using windows
[23:40] <czajkowski> davem_: might know but he's not here