[11:14] <AngelXenial> sorry you can restore IMEI  in bq aquaris 4.5 ubuntu ?
[11:40] <leo_> hey, does anyone know how i would install ubuntu on my nexus 7 2012 tablet?
[12:06] <AngelXenial> sorry you can restore IMEI  in bq aquaris 4.5 ubuntu ?
[15:24] <dobey> learnbsd: use rc-proposed, not devel*
[17:25] <AngelXenial> sorry  how do I reset IMEI of bq Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu?
[17:31] <Adisumn> I need app for ubuntu in my pohone meizu m2
[17:40] <dobey> !devices | Adisumn
[17:40] <ubot5`> Adisumn: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:42] <r0kk3rz> ondra: hi, do the sensors work on shinano platform port?
[19:50] <Flohack> Good Eve
[19:50] <Flohack> Any plans to support Samsung Devices with UT?
[19:53] <dobey> the pro5 is a samsung soc
[19:54] <dobey> but i don't know if anyone's working on ports for samsung phones or not
[19:55] <dobey> at this point, i'd probably suggest just waiting until the work is done for the switch to a snappy core based phone image build, to port to new devices, as it should greatly simplify some things
[20:04] <TheKit> dobey, which things?
[20:06] <dobey> TheKit: no more system-image server. android bits should just end up being in separate kernel+gadget snaps from the core snap and rest of the system
[20:06] <TheKit> so not much for actual hardware adaptation....
[20:07] <dobey> at least that's how i understand things should work for snappy core booting on android bootloader devices
[20:07] <dobey> TheKit: well, for hardware adapting you would end up just making the kernel and gadget snaps for the device and putting them in the store
[20:08] <TheKit> I mean, it's just packaging changes in the end
[20:08] <dobey> TheKit: yeah but you don't need to host your own image server to get OTAs any more with it
[20:09] <dobey> OTAs would just be new snaps getting uploaded to the store
[20:09] <TheKit> OTAs are important when you have device hardware working :)
[20:10] <dobey> well sure. it doesn't solve the problem of manufacturers not releasing device trees or sticking to proprietary hardware without open source drivers
[20:12] <TheKit> or libhybris/hardware adaptation bits/etc not working properly for specific device
[20:12] <dobey> but on the other hand, maybe manufacturers could also be convinced to make snaps for the android bits
[20:13] <dobey> well sure. but hybris is at least open source and bugs are just bugs. bugs will always exist when you're talking about porting things to new hardware
[20:14] <dobey> anyway, it's sunday afternoon, so i really should go do something other than sitting in front of my computer
[20:17] <Flohack> dobey: Was just asking if someone did already a download-mode based device
[20:23] <vicky3248> hello
[20:24] <Flohack> Good Eve ;)
[20:24] <krowv> dobey: I’m trying
[20:24] <vicky3248> good eve :)
[20:24] <vicky3248> i was tring to figure out if i can install ubuntu on HTC 620G
[20:24] <vicky3248> :(
[20:25] <vicky3248> do you know where can i find the list of supported devices and hardware's
[20:25] <krowv> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg22705.html
[20:26] <krowv> vicky3248: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:26] <Flohack> vicky3248: And these are the unofficial builds xD: https://devices.ubports.com/#/
[20:26] <vicky3248> ohh thanks
[21:25] <porcupine97> hoa!
[21:25] <porcupine97> its alive


[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[19:39] <Silverlion> philipballew: hey
[19:39] <philipballew> Silverlion, yo
[19:40] <Silverlion> philipballew: how are things?
[19:40] <philipballew> alright, just at the parents house for the holidays
[19:40] <philipballew> you Silverlion ?
[19:40] <Silverlion> philipballew: believe it or not i just starting to write again *happy*
[19:41] <philipballew> i understand. I hope you are happy
[19:44] <Silverlion> philipballew: i got so many emails with questions about my work for Full Circle Magazine that I decided to conduct a full article
[19:45] <philipballew> i'll read it if I know how and where I can
[19:45] <Silverlion> philipballew: have a look at http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue62
[19:47] <Silverlion> sorry the link is broken :(
[19:48] <philipballew> oh, well then I guess I wont open it
[19:53] <Silverlion> philipballew: i am looking for one that works ;)
[19:56] <Silverlion> philipballew: take this one http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-61/ and page 38 onwards ... that is my part 1
[20:29] <philipballew> Silverlion, Ill read it
[22:13] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue296


[13:13] <luna> seems the system gets confused if you have 2 of the same brand and size of harddrive plugged in or plugged in previously and won't install


[18:37] <jnash> Hello guys. Anyone out there strong with KVM on Ubuntu 16.04 server? I need assistance with guest networking.


[08:15] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Colin Watson: Porting Storm to Python 3 @ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/storm-py3.html
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[20:11] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Geary 3.34 Debuts with Deeper GNOME Contacts Integration, Other Changes @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=153441 (by Joey Sneddon)


[07:17] <ansu> hey all :) I'm trying to run this command in an upstart script. Does anyone of you see whats wrong with it? "exec start-stop-daemon --start -c youtrack --exec /usr/bin/java -jar /usr/local/youtrack/youtrack.jar 10002"
[09:18] <jodh> xnox, stgraber: could you take a look at the o/s MPs when you get a chance?
[12:45] <elmo> jodh: ' If a job is running, the changes to the definition will not occur until the job has been stopped; for instance jobs, all instances must be stopped. '
[12:45] <elmo> jodh: what does 'instance job' mean there?
[12:45] <elmo> jodh: and will 'initctl reload' override the above?
[12:47] <elmo> jodh: never mind, the job I care about is an instance job
[12:48] <elmo> jodh: or rather, ignore the first question; I'd love to know if 'initctl reload' enough to overide
[12:52] <jodh> elmo: 'initctl reload' simply sends the reload signal (SIGHUP by default) to the job. If you change a .conf file, Upstart gets notified immediately, but if a job is actually running, *it* won't get a new copy of the configuration unless you stop and then restart it.
[12:52] <elmo> jodh: so, the issue is I have a ceph osd instance job
[12:52] <elmo> jodh: and I *really* don't want to restart all 11 of them
[12:53] <elmo> jodh: is there no way to get upstart to use the new ceph-osd.conf for any future restarts?
[12:53] <elmo> (short of stopping all 11)
[12:57] <elmo> jodh: e.g could I use 'initctl reload ceph-osd' without risk of it stop/starting all the instances?
[13:03] <Spads> jodh: I suspect there's some reload vs reload-configuration confusion propagated by http://upstart.ubuntu.com/faq.html#reload
[13:03] <jodh> elmo: yes, are you talking about reloading the upstart (.conf) config, or the ceph config (assuming there is one?)
[13:04] <Spads> just the upstart config
[13:04] <Spads> basically right now it's starting up the OSDs with incorrect command-line arguments calculated in the upstart conf itself
[13:04] <Spads> we fixed that
[13:05] <Spads> but if someone bounces one of these, it'll come back with incorrect settings (to potentially disastrous results)
[13:06] <Spads> and I'd expect that diagnosing that problem would be nigh impossible without the context we just got about how upstart caches the configuration just now
[13:06] <jodh> Spads: confused - I thought you said you fixed the issue and that the running instance(s) have the wrong arguments?
[13:06] <jodh> Spads: the whole point of upstart instances is that they are "templates" - every instance is "identical", atleast to upstart, apart from the value of the 'instance' variable(s).
[13:06] <Spads> jodh: yes, that's what we're saying.  We fixed ceph-osd.conf, but when we restart an individual instance job it uses the bad information from the old broken conf
[13:07] <Spads> sure
[13:07] <Spads> how do we make them all use the new version of the config without taking them all down together?
[13:07] <jodh> Spads: you need to stop, tehn start not "restart".
[13:07] <Spads> yes, we stopped, slept for ten seconds, then started
[13:07] <Spads> for one instance job
[13:07] <Spads> stop ceph-osd id=${id}; sleep 10; start ceph-osd id=${id}
[13:08] <jodh> right, but since there were presumably other instances still running, upstart will not give the newly started instance the *new* config since that would mean the newly started instance would/could be completely different from the running instances (bad).
[13:08] <Spads> and that start caused it to start with the same broken arguments (which are not the ones in the conf on disk any more)
[13:08] <Spads> sure
[13:08] <Spads> how do we tell upstart to switch to the new one while we do rolling restarts of the instance jobs?
[13:09] <jodh> stop all instances (which allows upstart to propagate the new config), then start the new instances.
[13:09] <Spads> ☹
[13:10] <Spads> is there not even a hacky way to force the issue here?
[13:12] <jodh> we don't like hacks :) seriously, not that I can think of, sorry.
[13:14] <Spads> Hm, no way to (say) take an instance job down and start it up in a new instance group somehow?
[13:14] <Spads> some kind of staging upstart job for these to live in for a time?
[13:14]  * Spads is clutching at straws
[13:45] <xnox> Spads: you can cheat!
[13:45] <Spads> xnox: Tell me how.
[13:45] <xnox> Spads: cp /etc/init/ceph-osd.conf /etc/init/seph-osd-transition.conf
[13:45]  * Spads nods
[13:45] <xnox> Spads: stop 5 instances of ceph-osd, and start 5 instances of ceph-osd-transition
[13:45] <Spads> that's what I was hoping would work.  have you done this?
[13:46] <xnox> Spads: stop remaining 5 instances of ceph-osd, start 5 instances of ceph-osd (new config)
[13:46] <xnox> Spads: stop & delete all ceph-osd-transition
[13:46] <xnox> Spads: start ramaining 5 of ceph-osd.
[13:46] <xnox> Spads: but you just need to make sure that the first 5 instance of ceph-osd-transition are operational and do cephy things that ceph-osd is suppose to do.
[13:48]  * Spads nods
[13:52] <jodh> actually, that technique is in the cookbook (http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#using-expect-with-script-sections), but maybe we should elevate it to its own section :)
[14:00] <Spads> interesting.


[04:01] <jam> rharper: marcoceppi: we don't support containers anywhere except for MaaS ATM, we're working on that code (since if you want to make a routable container you need to bridge the network but then also ask for an assign an IP address for the container, etc0
[04:06] <jam> rharper: marcoceppi: there is the "network-bridge" environment config, but I'm pretty sure that is only used in MaaS (in 1.20) and local
[07:40] <schegi> hey, if i deploy a service to an lxc container, how do i define the bridge interface the container should use?
[07:51] <schegi> hey, if i deploy a service to an lxc container, how do i define the bridge interface the container should use?
[07:51] <schegi> maas environment bootstraped not local
[07:52] <schegi> is it enought to make the changes in /etc/lxc/default.conf /etc/defaults/lxc-net?
[08:10] <g0d_51gm4> hi guys, this morning I've re-made all steps from the begin to build a vMaaS with Juju and I saw this warning in the vm node "http://imgur.com/rdRC9hm", the error on the status of juju environment is the same......
[08:25] <jamespage> schegi, the maas provider should automatically setup a br0 -> eth0
[08:26] <jamespage> schegi, but its very basic right now in the context of multiple netwokrs
[09:36] <schegi> jamespage, is it possible to somehow force it to use an existing bridge or create one over another interface?
[09:36] <jamespage> schegi, trying to figure that out
[09:37] <schegi> jamespage, btw how to destroy containers from juju?
[09:37] <jamespage> schegi, 'terminate-machine'
[09:37] <jamespage> use the machine-id of the container you want to destroy
[09:38] <schegi> just destroying the service doesnt destroy the related container
[09:38] <schegi> at least in juju status it still exists
[09:38] <jamespage> schegi, indeed it does not
[09:38] <jamespage> schegi, you can do a "juju terminate-machine --force 0/lxc/2" for example
[09:38] <schegi> ah ok nice
[09:38] <jamespage> which will just rip the machine out of the service and terminate it, but leave the service deployed
[09:38] <jamespage> but without units
[12:24] <schegi> jamespage, played around a little bit with lxc. If i lock in to a machine i like to deploy a service in lxc container to and change the lxc settings in /etc/lxc/defaults.conf and /etc/defaults/lxc-net before deployment and restarted all necessary services
[12:26] <schegi> jamespage, it seems to work but still got some conectivity issues i think container stucks in pending state and if i look into the container log on the node it was deployed to ill see lots of these http://pastebin.com/agr77dnK
[12:30] <schegi> and if i try to ssh into container using juju ssh it states ERROR machine "15/lxc/4" has no internal address
[12:54] <lazyPower> schegi: what did you change?
[12:54] <lazyPower> schegi: i've modified lxc container bridge devices and network settings successfully for the local provider
[12:55] <lazyPower> schegi: relevant post: http://blog.dasroot.net/making-juju-visible-on-your-lan/
[12:57] <schegi> ok, thats what i tried. only difference my bridge interface is not statically defined but gets its ip via dhcp
[12:58] <lazyPower> shouldn't make a difference so long as thats being passed off to the bridged device
[12:58] <lazyPower> and LXC knows about it when it gets fired up
[12:59] <lazyPower> i did however have some issues with the interfaces racing
[12:59] <lazyPower> i forget how i solved it, i think it was the order in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:59] <lazyPower> sometimes the bridge device would collide with the physical adapter and collide
[13:00] <lazyPower> er, yeah. i need more coffee... cant speak english...
[13:00] <schegi> btw is this your blog?
[13:01] <schegi> just to mention /etc/init.d/networking restart does not work anymore in trusty
[13:01] <lazyPower> it is, teh article was written prior to 14.04
[13:01] <lazyPower> so it was tested on 12.04
[13:02] <rharper> jam: marcoceppi:  would be interested in testing something; in my case, I wouldn't need to assign an IP if the default network already runs DHCP;  AFAICT, this is how it works with MaaS, bridge the host device, lxc runs a container on it, MaaS sees a new dhpc request with a new mac, gets and IP.  This should work fine for networks that run DHCP.   I suppose "expose" would require floating ip allocation, but I expect that the code is the same since that's n
[13:02] <rharper> eeded for the hosts as well.
[13:07] <schegi> lazyPower, still no connectivity ERROR machine "15/lxc/6" has no internal address on juju ssh 15/lxc/6
[13:07] <g0d_51gm4> lazyPower: hi. have y look here http://imgur.com/rdRC9hm. it's the situation after to reboot the host mahcine!
[13:08] <lazyPower> hmm
[13:08] <lazyPower> schegi: this is when you're deploying to an lxc container in a host right?
[13:08] <lazyPower> eg: deploy mediawiki --to lxc:15
[13:09] <schegi> right
[13:09] <lazyPower> that article was for the local provider - i was unaware you were working on an agent-based installation
[13:09] <lazyPower> that changes a bit - the network bridging there still is pioneer territory for me
[13:09] <lazyPower> There was a talk on the mailing list about this a while back, about some WIP for a subordinate to handle the networking via relations
[13:10] <lazyPower> g0d_51gm4: hang on, i doubt i'm going to nkow the answer to this though, as i stated yesterday, it really appears to be a configuration issue with how your maas/juju environment is setup
[13:11] <lazyPower> g0d_51gm4: so, there's only so many things that can be wrong here. 1) IP Address changes of the bootstrap node. 2) SSH Keys have changed. 3) the juju services aren't running
[13:11] <lazyPower> if you cannot juju ssh 0 - and it says permission denied, pubkey - you know its the ssh keys.
[13:14] <schegi> lazyPower can you point me to the mailinglist or some archives?
[13:16] <lazyPower> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
[13:16] <lazyPower> archive link is at the top, i'd suggest a signup since there's always activity on the list about the future of juju - its a great place to keep informed about whats coming at you in the next revision
[13:29] <g0d_51gm4> lazyPower: i was thinking if is the problem is the firewall? because everytime i start the vMaaS environment i've to flush the table roles and clean it on the Region Cluster for working with juju.
[13:30] <lazyPower> g0d_51gm4: could be
[13:30] <g0d_51gm4> lazyPower: the command juju ssh -0 gives me the prompt of the node.
[13:30] <lazyPower> thats good! that means juju is there and responding
[13:31] <lazyPower> i had not considered UFW to be honest
[13:31] <lazyPower> and it stands to reason that it would be the blocker if its reloading your FW ruleset on reboot
[13:31] <g0d_51gm4> let me try to disable the ufw and
[13:31] <g0d_51gm4> reboot everything
[13:41] <schegi> ok its getting really starnge following situation. did a juju deploy --to lxc:15 mysql, juju status shows the container constantly in pending state. the /var/log/juju/machine-15-lxc-X.log shows plenty of these and juju ssh 15/lxc/X returns ERROR machine "15/lxc/6" has no internal address, but using ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>succeeds and the machine is pingable
[13:41] <lazyPower> is it reachable by the bootstrap node though?
[13:41] <schegi> http://pastebin.com/agr77dnK -->/var/log/juju/machine-15-lxc-X.log
[13:42] <schegi> pingable and ssh-able from the maas master and all other nodes in the cluster. but not via juju only plain ssh to the ip of the container works
[13:43] <lazyPower> interesting
[13:44] <schegi> the whole cluster is also pingable from within the container
[14:01] <data> lazyPower: I asked yesterday about the mixed deployment with manual mode. I have the problem now when following https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-manual.html, that I get a "su: authentication failure" directly in the beginning
[14:01] <data> from what I can tell from the debugging output, it thinks the user it logs in with is root
[14:01] <lazyPower> the user you add manually will need to be a passwordless sudo user
[14:02] <lazyPower> eg: the ubuntu user on most clouds
[14:02] <data> it is
[14:02] <data> http://pastebin.com/NRMH6D6N
[14:03] <data> it is just not using sudo
[14:05] <lazyPower> data: what am i looking at here? verbose output from what juju is doing to add the unit?
[14:05] <data>  juju bootstrap --debug
[14:06] <data> sorry, normally, I'd have pasted everything, but too many machine names etc. in there, that I don't want in logfiles
[14:07] <lazyPower> its doing sudo
[14:07] <lazyPower> if you look at the tail end of that command
[14:07] <lazyPower> sudo "/bin/bash -c '
[14:07] <data> I am blind, thanks
[14:07] <lazyPower> so make sure it is indeed a passwordless sudo user
[14:08] <lazyPower> i've had that bite me before
[14:08] <data> it is
[14:09] <data> better yet, "someone" created /home/ubuntu on the machine, but it is owned by root:root
[14:12] <data> is it possible to change the name of the user and the directory it is using? Because we have an ldap on that machine for users, and I'd hate to mess with the pam config
[14:15] <g0d_51gm4> lazyPower: i disable the ufw on boot and started the whole vMaaS environment. the node now is working and in juju status i see the node without error
[14:16] <lazyPower> g0d_51gm4: awesome news!
[14:16] <g0d_51gm4> lazyPower: a question now is...how do i have to set the ufw to use it
[14:16] <g0d_51gm4> without to disable it!!!!
[14:18] <lazyPower> jcastro: http://askubuntu.com/questions/174171/what-are-the-ports-used-by-juju-for-its-orchestration-services - candidate for updating since we no longer use zookeeper
[14:20] <g0d_51gm4> a firewall appliance front to host machine is already present, but to implement some rules also on host which ports i've to open to work with juju
[14:20] <g0d_51gm4> i see it just now y answer sorry!
[14:22] <g0d_51gm4> i've to permit just ssh connection from that vnetwork?
[14:23] <lazyPower> g0d_51gm4: you'll need to expose port 22, and 17017
[14:23] <g0d_51gm4> juju uses only a tunnel ssh to connect to MaaS, isn't it?
[14:23] <g0d_51gm4> 17017 for which service?
[14:23] <lazyPower> 17017 is the API port for juju
[14:24] <jcastro> lazyPower, yeah, edit away
[14:27] <lazyPower> jcastro: edits are in queue
[14:33] <g0d_51gm4> lazyPower: ok thanks, i make a further tests.
[14:38] <schegi> is it impossible to deploy the mysql charm to an lxc container and then relate it to a ceph cluster? i got some issues that during ceph relation changed the charm tries to load the rbd module, which is not possible from within a container. adding the module outside to the kernel does not help it still tires to load the module
[14:48] <jamespage> schegi, no
[14:50] <schegi> how to get it working. in my setting it always fails because it tries to load the rbd module from within the container
[14:51] <data> just to give a bit of feedback: it is working now, but ssh auth failed due to wrong rights on .ssh (which they weren't), but it had cached the wrong user id as the ubuntu user is local so the nfs server didn't know it, created it there, of course first time around with the wrong user id... But all that mess is now harmonizd
[14:52] <schegi> http://pastebin.com/FJkSRnkY
[14:52] <schegi> jamespage, this is from the /var/log/juju/unit-mysql-0.log on the node which actually runs the container
[15:14] <dimitern> schegi, you can modprobe the rbd module on the host first, and it will be in the container as well
[15:15] <dimitern> schegi, and you can also do lsmod | grep rbd first to check if it's there before modprobbing it
[15:17] <jamespage> schegi, one sec
[15:17] <dimitern> schegi, for an example, look in https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/provider/maas/environ.go#L535
[15:17] <jamespage> negronjl, lazyPower: hrmm - mongodb?
[15:17] <lazyPower> jamespage: what about it? :)
[15:17] <jamespage> schegi, HA for MySQL and RabbitMQ backed by ceph is not supported in LXC containers
[15:18] <jamespage> lazyPower, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7803902/
[15:19] <jamespage> lazyPower, the last commit was quite a large delta - and breaks the relation_set calls
[15:19] <lazyPower> service('stop', 'mongod')
[15:19] <lazyPower> thats line 900 on my local copy - how would stopping the service cause failure?
[15:20] <jamespage> lazyPower, that's not L900 on the charm in the charm store
[15:20] <lazyPower> ah wait is ee, i misread the stack trace
[15:20] <lazyPower> its down in teh relation_set block trying to send the replsets
[15:21] <jamespage> lazyPower, database_relation_joined
[15:21] <lazyPower> jamespage: i see this, i've got a fix
[15:22] <lazyPower> my branch is pretty dirty atm, let me try to cherrypick out the fixes
[15:22] <lazyPower> its missing a None before the dict its sending
[15:23] <jamespage> lazyPower, there are a whole heap of incorrect relation_set calls
[15:23] <jamespage> lazyPower, suggestion - back out the last commit and test this better first....
[15:24] <jamespage> lazyPower, being explicit is better relation_settings={....}
[15:25] <lazyPower> what do you mean being explicit? setting the relationship name vs using none?
[15:25] <jamespage> schegi, sorry - there is a way todo this - the percona-cluster charm provides an active/active mysql option which does not rely on ceph - its all userspace
[15:26] <jamespage> lazyPower, just saying don't None out relation_id, just be explicit as to which parameter you are intending to pass - in this case its relation_settings...
[15:28] <lazyPower> this is missing quite a bit of what i've done, what i just fetched from the store
[15:28] <lazyPower> its still got the gnarly retval block at the bottom
[15:28]  * lazyPower sighs
[15:29] <lazyPower> what the hell
[15:29] <jamespage> lazyPower, I stand by my recommendation to revert and try again
[15:34] <lazyPower> jamespage: reverted your mongos instances will fail though when you go to deploy this cluster.
[15:34] <lazyPower> when you relate mongos => configsvr
[15:34] <jamespage> lazyPower, well right now I can't relate and clients to mongodb
[15:38] <lazyPower> jamespage: what client are you using? i'll add one to teh amulet test before i resub a MP
[15:39] <jamespage> lazyPower, ceilometer
[15:39] <lazyPower> thanks
[15:42] <lazyPower> jamespage: and you've got mongodb deployed in standalone correct?
[15:42] <jamespage> lazyPower, yes
[15:42] <lazyPower> perfect. easy enough
[16:14] <ctlaugh> Hi - I'm looking for some help with manual provisioning.  I have a working MaaS / Juju environment that I have deployed Openstack on using all the charms.  I have, however, a single node that I can not add into MaaS and want to manually provision using Juju.  I'm having some trouble understanding what I need to do from here: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-manual.html
[16:15] <ctlaugh> ^^ Is bootstrap-host the same host or a different host from what I actually want to provision?
[16:16] <lazyPower> ctlaugh: the bootstrap node is what warehouses the juju api server. its responsible for orchestrating the environment
[16:16] <lazyPower> ctlaugh: sounds like you want to add this additional host as a unit into your environment
[16:16] <lazyPower> jcastro: did we ever get adding units manually to an environment docs published?
[16:17] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: Does it need to be a different host from the one already running Juju?
[16:19] <lazyPower> ctlaugh: i dont understand the question.
[16:20] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: I used juju bootstrap (using the MaaS provider) so that node has all the Juju bits running on it.  (I also deployed the juju-gui on another node but that's probably not important)
[16:21] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: So, do I need to add another bootstrap node?
[16:21] <lazyPower> nah, you can manually add hosts into an existing environment aiui
[16:21] <lazyPower> thats why i'm pinging jcastro to find out if we ever published docs, that functionality landed a few revisions ago
[16:22] <ctlaugh> Do I need to configure anything for the manual provider in environments.yaml, or just do an add-machine ssh:xxxx?
[16:22] <ctlaugh> ok - thank you for your help -- sorry, mid-typing before I saw your last msg.
[16:24] <lazyPower> np ctlaugh
[16:24] <lazyPower> should just be add-machine ssh:xxx
[16:25] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: I'll try that and see if it works
[16:33] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: That seems to have worked.  New machine added and in the process of deploying a charm to it.  Thank you
[16:33] <lazyPower> No problem :) glad its sorted
[16:34] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: Well, the charm just failed to install, but I was expecting something like that to go wrong.  But, at least Juju can see it.
[16:34] <lazyPower> ctlaugh: if you need help debugging, dont hesitate to reach out
[16:35] <ctlaugh> I'll go ahead and ask one question before I start digging into it myself... I just ran juju debug-log and got this:
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 DEBUG juju.worker.rsyslog worker.go:75 starting rsyslog worker mode 1 for "unit-nova-compute-1" ""
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 DEBUG juju.worker.logger logger.go:45 reconfiguring logging from "<root>=DEBUG" to "golxc=TRACE;unit=DEBUG"
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 INFO install Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 INFO install   File "/var/lib/juju/agents/unit-nova-compute-1/charm/hooks/install", line 5, in <module>
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 INFO install     from charmhelpers.core.hookenv import (
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 INFO install   File "/var/lib/juju/agents/unit-nova-compute-1/charm/hooks/charmhelpers/core/hookenv.py", line 9, in <module>
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 INFO install     import yaml
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 INFO install ImportError: No module named yaml
[16:35] <lazyPower> ctlaugh: > 3 lines pastebin it please
[16:35] <ctlaugh> unit-nova-compute-1: 2014-07-16 16:32:24 ERROR juju.worker.uniter uniter.go:486 hook failed: exit status 1
[16:35] <ctlaugh> Sorry
[16:35] <lazyPower> which charm is this?
[16:36] <lazyPower> nova-compute?
[16:36] <ctlaugh> nova-compute.  It looks like it's just missing a dependency.  I didn't have this issue when deploying using MaaS nodes.
[16:36] <lazyPower> series precise?
[16:36] <lazyPower> i recall on precise you had to install python-yaml
[16:36] <lazyPower> thats not the case on trusty
[16:36] <ctlaugh> trusty-icehouse.  Does the MaaS deployment process install dependencies automatically that I might need to install manually here?
[16:37] <lazyPower> that shouldn't have anything to do with it
[16:37] <lazyPower> maas is booting cloud-images
[16:37] <lazyPower> s/booting/serving up
[16:38] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: I wasn't sure if the images (and the packages installed by default) might have dependencies already present that I wouldn't necessarily have on my manually-provisioned node.
[16:39] <lazyPower> shouldn't be the case - is the node you manually added to your env a precise host?
[16:40] <lazyPower> you should be able to do juju run --unit # "sudo apt-get install python-yaml" && juju resolved -r nova-compute/#      -- and it'll at bare minimum get further along in the install process.
[16:40] <ctlaugh> It's running trusty
[16:42] <ctlaugh> After installing python-yaml, it's getting a lot further now.
[16:43] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: Thank you for your help.  I'll reach out if I run into anything else I can't work through.
[16:45] <lazyPower> anytime ctlaugh
[17:04] <kirkland> marcoceppi: howdy
[17:04] <kirkland> marcoceppi: I'm trying to submit my transcode-cluster bundle to the charm store
[17:04] <kirkland> marcoceppi: according to: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-bundles.html#sharing-your-bundle-with-the-community
[17:04] <kirkland> marcoceppi: which says: juju bundle proof ../bundle-directory/ #default current working directory
[17:05] <kirkland> marcoceppi: however, whenever I run: kirkland@x230:~/src/transcode/transcode/precise⟫ juju bundle proof transcode-cluster
[17:05] <kirkland> ERROR unrecognized command: juju bundle
[17:06] <marcoceppi> kirkland: do you have the latest charm tools?
[17:06] <marcoceppi> Juju charm version
[17:06] <kirkland> marcoceppi: sure, I'm on 14.04
[17:07] <kirkland> ii  charm-tools                              1.0.0-0ubuntu2            all                       Tools for maintaining Juju charms
[17:07] <marcoceppi> kirkland: archives are severly behind
[17:07] <kirkland> marcoceppi: well, that should be fixed ;-)
[17:07] <kirkland> marcoceppi: you're telling me I'm going to need to slop up my laptop with a ppa?  :-)
[17:08] <marcoceppi> Well, we tried but missed the cut off
[17:08] <marcoceppi> It's the best ppa around, ppa:juju/stable
[17:10] <marcoceppi> kirkland: latest version requires software not yet in trust archives. If you know how to get around that I'm all ears
[17:10] <kirkland> marcoceppi: dfdt?
[19:22] <ziliu2020_> I'm having some problem with juju authorized-keys add command... It keeps saying my public key is invalid and can't add... any reason?  I'm sure my key is ok because it has been used in other places with no problem,
[19:29] <ctlaugh> jamespage: I am using the cinder charm and am trying to work through a problem installing on a system with only a single disk.  I see your name all in the charm code and hoped I could ask you a quick question about it:  what's the right way to specify using a loopback file on trusty/icehouse?  I am putting    block-device: "/srv/cinder.data|750G"  in a config file, and I can see that the file gets created, but the loopback device and
[19:29] <ctlaugh> volume group don't get created.
[19:51] <cory_fu> I'm having an issue with a service I removed not going away entirely and causing issues when trying to re-deploy it: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7805234/
[19:51] <cory_fu> Any suggestions?
[19:52] <cory_fu> On how to get rid of it
[19:55] <lazyPower> cory_fu: is the machine its attached to destroyed?
[19:55] <cory_fu> Yes, it's gone
[19:55] <lazyPower> cory_fu: also, what about the relations? are any related services in error?
[19:55] <lazyPower> 9/10 its a related service thats trapped in error keeping it from going away
[19:55] <cory_fu> It has no relations at the moment
[19:55] <lazyPower> weird
[19:55] <cory_fu> I'm full of lies
[19:56] <cory_fu> Yes, related services are in error
[19:56] <lazyPower> haha
[19:56] <lazyPower> thats why
[19:56] <lazyPower> if you resolve the services its related to, it'll go away
[19:56] <cory_fu> Thanks
[19:57] <cory_fu> Yep, that worked
[19:57]  * lazyPower thumbs up
[19:57] <lazyPower> glad we got it sorted


[11:05] <erUSUL> ailean, installing from apt or nvidia site
[11:05] <erUSUL> ??
[11:05] <spudse> Stormx, but when I for instance move all the files somewhere else, they are still there
[11:05] <ailean> erUSUL, nvidia site
[11:05] <erUSUL> ailean, install linux-headers-[your kernel version]
[11:05] <erUSUL> ailean, why not the one in repos??
[11:05] <ailean> erm
[11:05] <ailean> didn't know how to do it
[11:06] <r1rem> Does anyone know if it's possible to install msn messenger with linux?
[11:06] <ailean> erUSUL, i'm used to fedora and just got ubuntu today
[11:06] <erUSUL> !nvidia
[11:06] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:06] <neurogeek> Hello.. anyone here is into the process of developing ubuntu??
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> r1rem: you want 'gaim'
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> r1rem: it's already installed
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> neurogeek: somewhat
[11:06] <erUSUL> !tell ailean about nvidia
[11:06] <oasiao> ailean you might find this is easier
[11:06] <oasiao> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:06] <ailean> thanks erUSUL :)
[11:06] <Stormx2> :-< ubuntuguide.org baaad
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> oasiao: please do not recommend ubuntuguide
[11:06] <erUSUL> ailean, you are wellcome
[11:07] <oasiao> why not
[11:07] <neurogeek> hramrach, Hello! i wanted to talk to somebody related to the project.. we've benn developing something you might be interested in--
[11:07] <Stormx2> outdated
[11:07] <neurogeek> HrdwrBoB, , Hello! i wanted to talk to somebody related to the project.. we've benn developing something you might be interested in--
[11:07] <oasiao> oh i know but the instructions for nvidia work though
[11:07] <r1rem> I got it! thanks!
[11:07] <neurogeek> hramrach, sorry
[11:07] <Stormx2> neurogeek: I'm not involved, but interested ^_^
[11:08] <neurogeek> Stormx2, cool!!
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> neurogeek: you're best to post to the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[11:08] <erUSUL> oasiao, it's been said to be written by satan himself XD
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> but do go on
[11:08] <oasiao> lol
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> oasiao: it's instructions with no context
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> !ubuntuguide
[11:08] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide]  out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[11:09] <neurogeek> Ok, i'll tell you a few things ... Im from Venezuela, and we developing LGPL applicationes to make Linux easier to people and enterprises.. and we are very interested in ubuntu
[11:09] <oasiao> well then i wont suggest ubuntuguide no more
[11:09] <Stormx2> neurogeek: And so you should be ^_^
[11:09] <deano> is there a trick to getting mplayer installed on breezy?
[11:09] <_jason> ubotu:  tell deano about mplayer
[11:09] <Stormx2> deano: sudo apt-get install mplayer?
[11:09] <kevogod> deano, You select it and then install it.
[11:09] <erUSUL> deano, apt-get install mplayer ????
[11:09] <deano> it fails
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> deano: it's in multiverse
[11:09] <_jason> deano:  read what ubotu sent you
[11:10] <erUSUL> !tell deano about repos
[11:10] <neurogeek> our main app is a Linux MetaInstaller that can install linux locally, remotely and massively, its called Cuaima
[11:10] <Stormx2> !botsnack
[11:10] <ubotu> :)
[11:10] <deano> I know how to run apt
[11:10] <Revellion> sup folks? ;)
[11:10] <Stormx2> neurogeek: Right. So why not use the installers packaged with the distros?
[11:10] <neurogeek> I wanted to see if guys from ubuntu are interested is taking this Installer to be Ubuntu's Installer..
[11:10] <bimberi> ubotu: tell deano about synaptic
[11:11] <bimberi> deano: sorry, i read that as "don't know" :/
[11:11] <r1rem> how could I get the last version of msn messenger, with webcam support
[11:11] <Stormx2> neurogeek: Well, we are in need of a more GUI-friendly installer. I think most people will agree
[11:11] <didinux> hello all, there is anyone who successfully installer  Power management on Acer TravelMate 2300 .. ?
[11:11] <erUSUL> neurogeek, better try in #ubuntu-dev
[11:11] <Stormx2> r1rem: There is a project of gaim, an outbranch, with support.
[11:11] <Unununium> I'm having difficulty enabling DRI: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/411448
[11:12] <neurogeek> Stormx2, I think the current ubuntu installer is kind of rough.. and sometimes crashes in some computers..
[11:12] <neurogeek> erUSUL, i'll give it a try, thx
[11:12] <Stormx2> neurogeek: Yep. Well, would it be a little more friendly, in a kind of Fedora Core-style installer?
[11:12] <nasimuto> I installed Ubuntu 5.10 on a HP Omnibook XE 2 and every time i insert my D-Link DWL-G630 wifi card to the pcmcia slot of my laptop, the screen goes blank and nothing works. If i remove the card from the slot, the screen is still blank. Only a restart helps. Any ideas on whats going on ?
[11:12] <fight> hi
[11:12] <oasiao> no one in Dev
[11:12] <QMario> Hello Fight!!! :)
[11:12] <QMario> Hello Seveas and ompaul!!! :)
[11:12] <Stormx2> neurogeek: I agree that the installer in ubuntu is in need of a new paint job, to say the least
[11:12] <Stormx2> ^_^
[11:13] <QMario> How do I install the JRE Plug-in for Firefox?
[11:13] <neurogeek> Stormx2, kind of.. but it was meant to be Web based..
[11:13] <erUSUL> nasimuto, a kernel bug maybe?
[11:13] <deano> The thing is when I go to install mplayer it tells me I have unmet dependencies, however those dependencies are not available for install
[11:13] <Stormx2> neurogeek: wow.
[11:13] <nasimuto> erUSUL:  hmm, i installed default ubuntu
[11:13] <[dEvIL-BoY] > nasimuto,  i'm trying to install a dwl-g650+ and the light keeps staying on
[11:13] <fight> QMario,  lo :)
[11:13] <[dEvIL-BoY] > and nothing happens
[11:13] <[dEvIL-BoY] > :s
[11:13] <bur[n] er> deano: have all the repositories enabled?
[11:13] <nasimuto> dwl-g630 is not sopposed to have linux support btw
[11:14] <neurogeek> Stormx2, here are some screenshots.. they are in spanish right now.. but you can see the graphics  http://www.latinux.org/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=8
[11:14] <anto9us> neurogeek, you should look at the ubuntu community website, particularly http://www.ubuntu.com/community/teams/installer that lists the people to contact
[11:14] <r1rem> What do you mean?
[11:14] <deano> bur[n] er: yes
[11:14] <Stormx2> neurogeek: Let me take a look
[11:14] <bur[n] er> deano: pick mplayer-686 ??
[11:14] <fight> i want to build a c source file, but i haven't stdio.h or iosteam.h, etc. How can I get them ? thank you.
[11:14] <_jason> deano:  what package are you installing and what dependencies does it say it fails on
[11:14] <neurogeek> anto9us, thanks!
[11:14] <anto9us> yw
[11:14] <deano> I was using mplayer-586
[11:15] <erUSUL> fight, install build-essentials
[11:15] <neurogeek> erUSUL, nobody there ...
[11:15] <bur[n] er> or that
[11:15] <fight> erUSUL, ok thank you ;-)
[11:15] <erUSUL> is #ubuntu-devel sorry
[11:15] <jbrouhard> Anyone here use bochs
[11:15] <neurogeek> Oh :o
[11:15] <erUSUL> neurogeek,  is #ubuntu-devel sorry
[11:15] <ailean> thanks erUSUL - nVidia is working and ubuntu looks MUCH better :D
[11:15] <Unununium> jbrouhard: a few times
[11:15] <jbrouhard> I'm having some major problems getting it to run here.
[11:16] <anto9us> jbrouhard, have you tried qemu?
[11:16] <Stormx2> neurogeek: looks impressive
[11:16] <jbrouhard> but if you have a better solution (other than VMWare, I'm all ears...
[11:16] <erUSUL> ailean, you are wellcome... ;) that's why we are here
[11:16] <jbrouhard> no..
[11:17] <oasiao> hey erUSUL what info did u share with ailean about nvidia?
[11:17] <jbrouhard> Convinent
[11:17] <jbrouhard> Can't get it off apt-get
[11:17] <bur[n] er> qemu doesn't compare in speed to VMWare (so i'm told)
[11:17] <vbgunz> vbgunz: hello
[11:17] <jbrouhard> NM
[11:17] <neurogeek> Stormx2, thanks.. is written in python + javascript.. its in alpha now.. but soon enough will be beta
[11:17] <jbrouhard> I hit it wrong
[11:17] <erUSUL> !tell oasiao about nvidia
[11:17] <anto9us> my name please
[11:17] <erUSUL> oasiao, it was ubotu not me ;)
[11:17] <bur[n] er> lol
[11:17] <QMario> !Firefox
[11:17] <ubotu> QMario: Are you smoking crack?
[11:17] <vbgunz> anto9us: haha :P
[11:17] <QMario> No
[11:17] <Stormx2> neurogeek: Looks good. I know JS quite well :-) Can't understand how it would install linux but heh
[11:17] <oasiao> ah ok thanks let me look
[11:17] <anto9us> sorry vbgunz :)
[11:17] <ailean> !RealPlayer
[11:17] <ubotu> realplayer is, like, totally, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:17] <QMario> !Plug-in
[11:17] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, QMario
[11:17] <vbgunz> ahhh, yes, so sweet
[11:17] <vbgunz> thanks you anto9us... Thanks for your tips yesterday!
[11:17] <bur[n] er> QMario: msg ubotu to play wiht the bot ;)
[11:17] <anto9us> yw
[11:18] <neurogeek> Stormx2, JS is not the installer.. Python is.. but JS do some nice things like XML-RPC to ask about the ongoing installation process
[11:18] <Stormx2> neurogeek: I see.
[11:19] <oasiao> so basically for linux the virus scanners are for servers?
[11:19] <daryl> hi, can anyone help me with a Ubuntu problem?
[11:19] <QMario> Bur[n] er, how do I install the JRE Plug-in for Firefox?
[11:19] <erUSUL> daryl, ask
[11:20] <anto9us> !java
[11:20] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[11:20] <oasiao> the bot is tlaking german to me
[11:20] <oasiao> talking
[11:21] <Delvien> stupd  question, will having a small subwoofer by a wireless router hurt the router?
[11:21] <ailean> !MPlayer
[11:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[11:21] <erUSUL> oasiao, it does when gets upset XDDDDD
[11:21] <oasiao> uhoh
[11:21] <UrbanFox> Delvien> doubtful
[11:21] <Delvien> cool thanks
[11:21] <googiieee> hi,
[11:21] <anto9us> oasiao, viruses under linux are virtually unheard of, you may want to scan your shared directories though, they can get infected by windows machines
[11:21] <daryl> When i sign on as root with sudo in the terminal everything works great until asked for password. The my keyboard won't type anything.
[11:22] <Mabus06> !mplayer
[11:22] <ubotu> from memory, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[11:22] <googiieee> I do have problem with apt-get in ubuntu 5,04
[11:22] <Mabus06> uh... !mplayer link has no info on it
[11:22] <fight> bye and thank you.
[11:22] <Mabus06> how do I install mplayer?
[11:22] <erUSUL> daryl, you can see the caracters for security reasons but it is typing normally
[11:22] <_jason> Mabus06:  that link is fine on my computer.  You don't see anything?
[11:22] <erUSUL> characters*
[11:23] <erUSUL> daryl, can't*
[11:23] <Mabus06> oh nm _jason ..... I was linked by another wiki article and that article linked to a page that hadn't been created yet
[11:23] <daryl> so this is normal?
[11:23] <Mabus06> the text of the link was almost identical to that one, I didn'tbother checking
[11:24] <Delvien> 3ddesktop doesnt work with KDE? or does it
[11:24] <erUSUL> daryl, in graphics aplications they echo points in console they echo nothing. is normal yes
[11:24] <SupIAmMike> how do i get xvid to play in ubuntu?
[11:24] <cormorano> hi @ll
[11:25] <SupIAmMike> sudo apt-get install xine (and gmplayer, mplayer, mplayer-skins, xvid) didnt work
[11:25] <tristanmike> !tell SupIAmMike about w32deb
[11:25] <Suepahfly> SupIAmMike: try vlc player, comes with codec and all right from the repo
[11:25] <tristanmike> vlc is great too, the best imo.
[11:25] <Exodus> VLC rox.
[11:26] <Exodus> apt-get install vlc
[11:26] <Exodus> that's all.
[11:26] <Hoxzer> !tell about w32deb
[11:26] <daryl> erUSUL, i'm new to linux thanks for help
[11:26] <SupIAmMike> thanks
[11:26] <oasiao> how do i open my xorg.conf through terminal
[11:26] <Hoxzer> !tell Hoxzer about w32deb
[11:26] <Unununium> vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:26] <Unununium> for example
[11:26] <Exodus> use nano
[11:26] <tristanmike> oasiao, use gedit
[11:26] <thrush> oasiao: u prob want sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, or sudo nano
[11:26] <Lioda> Hi
[11:26] <erUSUL> daryl, you are wellcome. we all have been new to linux back in the day
[11:26] <ailean> what repo would i find mplayer on?
[11:27] <crimsun> !info mplayer-586
[11:27] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB
[11:27] <ailean> ta
[11:27] <oasiao> ok thanks
[11:27] <Lioda> I try to find some help about kernel 2.6.14 ubuntu build + powerbook5,6 ... Cause when I'm reboot I have a kernel panic VBFS: ...
[11:28] <Seveas> there is no ubuntu 2.6.14 kernel yet and if you did not use make-kpkg to roll your own kernel it will be hard to support it
[11:28] <Seveas> but check your initrd. Something is missing
[11:28] <ailean> my multiverse repo doesn't work - does anyone have an alternative that does?
[11:28] <r1rem> how could I get this?
[11:28] <crimsun> ailean: why doesn't it work?
[11:29] <Seveas> !tell ailean about repos
[11:29] <QMario> Thank you anto9us!!! :)
[11:29] <QMario> I will do just that.
[11:29] <QMario> Thank God! :)
[11:29] <ailean> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[11:29] <rexykik> hey bluefrog-10, you around?
[11:29] <Delvien> Does anyone know if 3dDesktop works in KDE?
[11:30] <arkais> hi
[11:30] <tristanmike> Delvien, http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/faq.php   Check out number 8
[11:31] <Lioda> Seveas: Ok in fact I use the official kernel source because they made a lot of modifications for powerbook5,6 and I use make-kpkg , but how can I find what's wrong in the initrd ?
[11:31] <bimberi> ailean: there are no breezy backports (yet) comment the line out of your sources.list
[11:31] <Delvien> tristanmike thanks bro
[11:32] <Seveas> Lioda, I don't have a mac and the FB (framebuffer) things are very mac specific iirc, so I won't be able to help much
[11:32] <tristanmike> yup, yup
[11:32] <Seveas> bimberi, heh, I already backported a few things from dapper to breezy ;)
[11:32] <ailean> ok bimberi - i still can't see mplayer in synaptic though
[11:33] <Lioda> Perhaps you have an iirc where I can find some ideas ?...
[11:33] <bimberi> Seveas: haha, well yes, there is that :)
[11:33] <propagandhi> where do you find the server edition of ubuntu
[11:33] <Revellion> propagandhi: eh?
[11:33] <bimberi> !server
[11:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu 5.10 Server is out! http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000042.html
[11:33] <Revellion> :|
[11:34] <propagandhi> cool thanks
[11:34] <darius> I have problems with http://music.yahoo.com ; I did sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer mplayer-386 and "play launch" plugin installed, but...:Sorry, we are unable to support Netscape 6.0+ at this time. ...I'got ( sorry for my english)
[11:34] <tristanmike> Lioda, iirc="if i recall correctly"
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, yep
[11:34] <bimberi> ailean: is multiverse enabled? what architecture are you on?
[11:35] <Unununium> darius: tell Yahoo to fix their site
[11:35] <ailean> bimberi, 586 - multiverse is enabled as far as i can see
[11:35] <erUSUL> !tell ailean about repos
[11:35] <bimberi> ailean: done apt-get update?
[11:36] <bimberi> ailean: also, note that the package is mplayer-586
[11:36] <Lioda> OOoops I spoke about a channel to find some solutions about 2.6.14 + powerbook5,6
[11:36] <ailean> yeah
[11:36] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, am around but u may be spending a penny for now then :)
[11:36] <tristanmike> darius, hoary or breezy?
[11:36] <darius> breezy
[11:37] <ailean> on the page erUSUL sent me, it says the repo is at "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse" is that correct???? with spaces?
[11:37] <tristanmike> darius, have you been here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75400
[11:37] <Seveas> darius, it's a stupid browser check in their site
[11:37] <Seveas> go yell at them :)
[11:37] <Madpilot> ailean: yes, with spaces
[11:37] <erUSUL> ailean, yes
[11:37] <ailean> Mabus06, erUSUL ok :)
[11:37] <ailean> sorry for being so stupid
[11:37] <googiieee> hi, does anyone has the problem with connecting to backports by using apt-get update
[11:38] <ColD_7> anyone using torrent to download ubuntu before?
[11:38] <Madpilot> googiieee: there are no Breezy backports
[11:38] <starscalling> oi
[11:39] <ColD_7> i hope that who is using torrent to download before can open the torrent
[11:40] <ColD_7> :)
[11:40] <Oti1> I configured my eth0 to get an IP address through DHCP at boot time but it doesn't have one when I look into the properties ... is there a log file (boot log ?) that would contain potential errors related to this problem ?
[11:40] <Oti1> and is there a CLI command for making the device do a DHCP query ?
[11:41] <Mabus06> ailean, ??
[11:41] <alexissoft> hi
[11:41] <erUSUL> Oti1, dhcpclient eth0
[11:41] <ailean> still can't get it Mabus06
[11:41] <Oti1> erUSUL: many thanks
[11:41] <darius> I'll check
[11:41] <erUSUL> Oti1, dhclient eth0
[11:42] <ailean> Mabus06, i have multiverse enabled, and i'm using synaptic, NOT APT - what should i do?
[11:42] <googiieee> to Madpilot: can we talk over ordinary chat
[11:42] <ailean> Mabus06, i can use apt right enough
[11:42] <starscalling> ah thats better :)
[11:42] <Madpilot> googiieee: what's up?
[11:42] <ailean> Mabus06, but it can't find mplayer-586
[11:42] <bluefrog-10> ailean, synaptic graphic interface for apt
[11:42] <erUSUL> ailean, use the search button in synaptic
[11:43] <ckrueger> anyone here good with ipod shuffles?
[11:43] <Unununium> I'll just take my question (DRI stuff) to the x.org lists.  Thanks anyway.
[11:43] <ckrueger> or know of a good resource for me?
[11:43] <googiieee> ok, I use user guide book
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> ailean, u have to reload once having checked multiverse
[11:43] <oasiao> so anyone use KDE here?
[11:44] <starscalling> ive been messing with xorg.conf setting up different ways of making my dual monitors act. i have the nvidia fx5200 so i have made the twinview work where it uses one xsession and stretches over 2 screens letting applications maximize independantly on each, while letting me drag said applications from one desktop to the other.
[11:44] <jbrouhard> I do
[11:44] <ailean> bluefrog-10, yeah, i know, but all the locations on that page are not found
[11:44] <googiieee> I set the sources list as it was written there
[11:44] <ailean> http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/dists/hoary-extras/breezy/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[11:44] <bluefrog-10> ailean, they may be down...
[11:44] <ailean> would you be able to check on your system?
[11:45] <starscalling> ive finally gotten the other method of 2 seperate xsessions working too now, where i cannot drag them, and the desktops are independant, yet i can still move across them with my mouse.
[11:45] <bluefrog-10> ailean, backports are not open
[11:45] <josh43> anyone here got EVDEV working?
[11:45] <ailean> k
[11:45] <Madpilot> ailean: Hoary extras won't work in Breezy...
[11:45] <bluefrog-10> ailean, don't check them
[11:45] <erUSUL> ailean, why do you need this source
[11:45] <erUSUL> ??
[11:45] <ailean> in which repo do i get mplayer??
[11:45] <bluefrog-10> multiverse
[11:45] <Madpilot> ailean: Multiverse
[11:45] <ailean> that's enabled and it doesn't seem to be there
[11:45] <googiieee> ## Backports
[11:45] <googiieee> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main
[11:45] <googiieee> universe multiverse restricted
[11:45] <googiieee> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main
[11:45] <googiieee> universe multiverse restricted
[11:45] <ailean> i don't know what i'm doing wrong
[11:45] <Oti1> erUSUL: I see a bunch of DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> ... is that normal ?
[11:45] <Madpilot> ailean: hit the Reload button in synaptic
[11:45] <googiieee> It does not work
[11:45] <josh43> ailean, If you really need, there's a repo listed on the mplayer site
[11:46] <starscalling> what i was wondering is if anyone knows how to select which xorg.conf for gdm to run, so that i can leave both in there and choose which to run without having to copy over each other :)
[11:46] <Oti1> my DHCP "server" is a Linksys router .. should I not provide the router's address somehwere ?
[11:46] <Madpilot> googiieee: those backports were shut down
[11:46] <googiieee> I can not connect to backports
[11:46] <googiieee> Well
[11:46] <Madpilot> !tell googiieee about backports
[11:46] <erUSUL> Oti1, i do not know i have not used dhclient myself
[11:46] <Oti1> ok
[11:46] <Oti1> cheers
[11:46] <ColD_7> to all the bit torrent user who download ubuntu before using it, please open the software so that i can gain a larger bandwidth to download, thanks
[11:46] <josh43> Otil; Are the offers the same mac address?
[11:46] <erUSUL> Oti1, man dhcclient
[11:47] <mfuentes> Hi, I have a ISDN with a external modem, connected by ppp.  I set the option "persist" for automatic re-connection, but does not function. Any idea?
[11:47] <josh43> Otil; I mean, discovers
[11:47] <Oti1> erUSUL: good idea, I'll do that
[11:47] <Oti1> hm, I'll have to check
[11:47] <Oti1> josh43: AH ! I know what the problem could be ....
[11:47] <googiieee> I do use Ubuntu 5,04
[11:47] <erUSUL> ailean, you do not need backports to install mplayer it is in multiverse
[11:47] <Oti1> josh43: the Linksys spoofs the MAC address of the PC to the outside world ...
[11:47] <Oti1> josh43: think there could be a conflict ?
[11:48] <josh43> Otil; NEVER spoof mac addresses.. that's the worst feature they have
[11:48] <Oti1> josh43: I mean that both the Linksys and the PC have the same MAC
[11:48] <josh43> Otil; Betcha
[11:48] <starscalling> josh43: why would you say such a thing.
[11:48] <ailean> i've finally found it, but my system is still not set up properly . . .
[11:48] <ailean> thanks all
[11:48] <Oti1> josh43: well the spoofing just never caused a problem until today (if that's the root cause)
[11:48] <starscalling> spoofing your mac address can come in very handy now and again.
[11:48] <Madpilot> googiieee: ubotu should have sent you a msg - with working hoary backport links
[11:48] <josh43> Otil; Esp linksys, I've seen the pc request an ip from the outside world, and the router throw a wrench into everything
[11:49] <Oti1> yeah, I mean my ISP has locked down my connection to one MAC address, meaning that in theory I shouldn't be able to connect numerous PCs in my house to the 'net
[11:49] <josh43> Otil; Consumer level routers break.. it's much better to just know what you are doing and not clone it.. cloning is a hack that rarely always works
[11:49] <rexykik> bluefrog-10, any specific reason you told me not to make a compressed image when using partimage?
[11:50] <rexykik> Oti1, you could change the MAC address of all the other computers' nics to be equal
[11:50] <josh43> Otil; yeah, just unclone it, and register the real MAC of the router
[11:50] <ailean> i think i understand it guys - THANKS
[11:50] <moparfan90> hello. does anyone know if theres a channel for mac os
[11:50] <Oti1> josh43: fair point
[11:50] <moparfan90> ?
[11:50] <ailean> apologies for my ignorance
[11:50] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, yes don't select the third option compression, it's a nightmare if you need to restore the mbr
[11:50] <josh43> rexykik, That's about the worst thing I have ever heard
[11:50] <rexykik> josh43, ^.^
[11:50] <rexykik> hehehe
[11:50] <josh43> rexykik, lol
[11:50] <Oti1> josh43: I'd figured rexykik comment was weird
[11:50] <ispiked> is freetype on ubuntu compiled with the bytecode interpreter enabled?
[11:50] <Oti1> politely ignored him ;-)
[11:50] <eric_> sorry to bother could someone tell  me how to move a file into /root?
[11:50] <rexykik> :p
[11:50] <erUSUL> ailean, we all have been new to linux back in the day
[11:50] <rexykik> you could always change the router's MAC to the registered.
[11:50] <erUSUL> ailean, no shame in that ;)
[11:51] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, the 2 others have no problem getting the mbr back if needed
[11:51] <_jason> eric_:  sudo mv?
[11:51] <spencer> Hey uh how do I get my video card working properly if I have a Radeon 8500 series?
[11:51] <rexykik> ahh ok
[11:51] <Oti1> josh43: the thing that bothers me a bit is that this stuff "just works" with Windows and here I am busting my ass with this on Ubuntu
[11:51] <rexykik> thanks.
[11:51] <eric_> thanx
[11:51] <Oti1> and God knows I'm not trying to dis' Linux
[11:51] <rexykik> hehe Otil.
[11:51] <nekostar> Oti1, you pay for it in time but you gain in flexibiility
[11:51] <josh43> Otil; Yeah, Windows is broken in specific ways
[11:51] <nekostar> when you get a few things figured out you will be very pleased i would bet :)
[11:51] <nekostar> what is it that was wrong in the first place?
[11:51] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, so is that edubuntu working?
[11:51] <josh43> Oti1, Unfortunately, things like linksys routers take this into account, and are broken the exact same way.. out of spec, and linux is spec
[11:52] <nekostar> sorry i have been messing with my dual monitor configurations and out of irc :)
[11:52] <erUSUL> h0sl3r, define "working properly"
[11:52] <Oti1> josh43: I getcha
[11:52] <dooglus> where can I find a list of compatible hardware?
[11:52] <h0sl3r> erUSUL: getting DRI to work
[11:52] <josh43> Otil; PM if you need, but I'm away for about 20min, so you'll have to wait till then :)
[11:52] <ISOcrates> anyone know if you can get an airport extreme card to work on a powerbook running breezy?
[11:53] <oasiao> what plays m3's on ubuntu
[11:53] <oasiao> ?
[11:53] <oasiao> mp3's
[11:53] <ISOcrates> i know there's a SF project going on but i heard its possible
[11:53] <apokryphos> !players
[11:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, players is Audio/MP3 Players: amaroK, Beep-media-player, JuK, Rhythmbox, XMMS ; Video players: Totem, Xine, Mplayer, VLC
[11:53] <erUSUL> h0sl3r, which driver radeon or ati binary drivers??
[11:53] <oasiao> ah i see but not officially
[11:54] <apokryphos> oasiao: no, for legal reasons it can't ship with mp3 codecs.
[11:54] <erUSUL> !tll h0sl3r about ati
[11:54] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, erUSUL
[11:54] <erUSUL> !tell h0sl3r about ati
[11:54] <oasiao> i read about it somewhere a few days ago but i just installed linux yesterday apokryphos
[11:54] <freddy_> i have to stop touching myself w
[11:54] <nekostar> Oti1, i use the cloning feature on my linksys a lot
[11:54] <freddy_> err
[11:54] <freddy_> with this battery
[11:54] <windex> freddy_, ...
[11:54] <freddy_> that sounded weird
[11:54] <nekostar> so what is it that is broken, as that has never caused a conflict here
[11:54] <freddy_> with this BATTERY! i said
[11:54] <windex> <3 freddy_
[11:54] <nekostar> e v e h :P
[11:55] <freddy_> windex lol
[11:55] <ptlo> apokryphos, is there an explanation how can packages which contain these codecs be located in the ubuntu repositories on the server?  isn't that a legal issue too?
[11:55] <juanjo> I have 5.04 installed, and when I enter user and pass in the GDM, i get just a brown screen, and nothing appears. any clue what can i do or test?
[11:55] <apokryphos> ptlo: heh, braino. Mp3 codecs aren't in there because they're propietary -- not illegal; that's java/w32codecs.
[11:56] <rexykik> bluefrog-10, yep, it WAS working. Boss had me restore it from the partimage file to see how fast it would go, how well it works, etc. Basically just to test it. I've reloaded the image and the OS boots, but I've started DHCP and now it doesnt boot a terminal anymore :(
[11:56] <rexykik> on one interface it doesnt find the dhcp/bootp and connected to the other i get a cable failure.
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, u sure dhcp has started?
[11:57] <rexykik> yeah i started it myself
[11:57] <rexykik> its all [ ok ]
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> want to move to a channel?
[11:57] <rexykik> sure
[11:58] <_jan> hello ;)
[11:58] <CarlFK> oasiao - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:58] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, #edu
[11:58] <ptlo> apokryphos, ahh ... i understand your distinction between the two but am still puzzled how any of that can be on server (btw i believe that since mp3 is patented and every implementation is required to pay patent fee, the codecs are technically illegal also, but i'm not sure)
[11:59] <nekostar> ptlo, realplayer is legit
[11:59] <nekostar> they pay for liscensing or something
[11:59] <nekostar> :)
[11:59] <nekostar> .75 dollars a pop
[11:59] <ptlo> oh, i didn't know that. cool
[11:59] <nekostar> read the link
[11:59] <nekostar> lol
[11:59] <apokryphos> !restricted
[11:59] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ; also see !javadebs (for sun-java debs) and !w32codecs
[11:59] <ptlo> thanks
[11:59] <eric_> okay hopefully this is the last time tonight how do you rename in konsole
[11:59] <nekostar> yup that one ~_^
[11:59] <nekostar> eric_, rename a file?
[12:00] <eric_> yes


[00:04] <debfx> rgreening: a new error?
[00:05] <rgreening> debfx: yeah, it wants a newer (apparantly) qt ...
[00:05] <lex79> I uploaded soprano to ninja
[00:05] <rgreening> maverick has 4.7.0 beta, which is newer than the 4.7.0 tp one ref in the error and .cpp file
[00:05] <rgreening> ty lex79
[00:06] <lex79> are we sure that this beta should be build already against qt 4.7 ?
[00:06] <rgreening> debfx: it wants the new qicon with member function .name, which was a recent addition in 4.7
[00:07] <rgreening> lex79: well, it's supposed to work against 4.7
[00:07] <lex79> already?
[00:07] <rgreening> afaict
[00:07] <lex79> ah
[00:08] <debfx> qt really should bump QT_VERSION for every beta
[00:09]  * rgreening agrees
[00:10] <Tm_T> yes, KDE 4.5 is supposed to work with Qt 4.7 ... but requirement is 4.6
[00:11] <rgreening> Riddell: kdelibs with qt 4.7.0 wants a newer one for the kstatusnotifier bits in kdeui (qicon.name doesn't appear to be in 4.7.0 beta we have). SO, either we backport a patch for qt or we somehow force kdelibs to depend on 4.6.
[00:12] <Tm_T> rgreening: you lack icons with 4.6 IIRC
[00:12] <debfx> as qt 4.7 is already in the archive there isn't another option I guess
[00:12] <rgreening> exactly.
[00:12] <rgreening> so, we need an update/patch for qt 4.7... any takers on making one?
[00:13] <lex79> we can packaging a git snapshot of Qt or add the patch
[00:13] <rgreening> I see a volunteer :)
[00:13]  * rgreening points and snickers
[00:14] <lex79> volunteer for what? a git snapshot?
[00:14] <rgreening> lex79: not sure what is better trying to get a patch or getting a snapshot
[00:15] <lex79> depends if the patch can screw up the rest :P
[00:15] <rgreening> if the patch was small enough and easy to pull out.... I'd be inclined to go that route
[00:15] <rgreening> ya
[00:16] <rgreening> either that, or I patch kdelibs to bypass the qt 4.7 bit it cant find for now
[00:16] <debfx> this is  the commit: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/a057a48cbac8acbf54a121c63a795480d3f9a8c0
[00:17] <lex79> uh
[00:17] <rgreening> hehe
[00:17] <lex79> if we need only that patch I can do it
[00:17] <rgreening> debfx: u rok
[00:18] <debfx> let's see if it applies to beta1
[00:18] <rgreening> lex79: we may need to have the newer qt, as I got another error.. let me see if I can decipher
[00:19] <lex79> debfx: do you want packaging that? I can leave it to you :) no problem for me
[00:19] <lex79> ok rgreening
[00:24] <ScottK> rgreening: KDE 4.5 is supposed to work with Qt 4.6, so needing something newer would be odd.
[00:25] <Tm_T> ScottK: needing?
[00:25] <rgreening> ScottK: you misunderstand the issue
[00:25] <ScottK> OK.
[00:25] <rgreening> ScottK: kdelibs can use 4.6 or 4.7. yes
[00:26] <rgreening> however, the 4.7 we have is beta and missing stuff. kdelibs picks up 4.7 but fails becasue its missing stuff in the beta
[00:26] <rgreening> so, we either need to force 4.6 or update 4.7
[00:26] <rgreening> or patch around it in kdelibs
[00:27] <rgreening> I suspect we will want to simply update qt to a more recent snapshot and put it in ninjas...
[00:27] <lex79> the problem is also if the other packages need the patch to force 4.6
[00:27] <rgreening> yeah, safest would be that we update in ninjas to a newer qt,
[00:28] <lex79> if it is, is better have an update qt
[00:28] <lex79> yep, i'm downloading qt git
[00:28] <rgreening> as a newer beta will be out in due course.... but in the meantime we can still get thi sup an running
[00:28] <rgreening> ty lex79
[00:28] <lex79> np
[00:29] <rgreening> well, lex79, since I will require the newer qt... I will put myself on pause for now... I'll check back later.
[00:29] <lex79> ok, I will poke you when I upload qt to ninja
[00:30] <rgreening> lex79: will you update the ninjas packaging page for kde 4.4.80 to indicate you are updating qt? so people will know where we are too... thanks
[00:30] <rgreening> cool
[00:30] <lex79> ok
[00:30] <rgreening> ok, im out for food. bbiab
[00:31] <lex79> qt bzr is not sync'd with archive, it's not a news :P
[00:50] <ScottK> workspace merge is a royal pain.
[00:53] <lex79> I think so :)
[01:31] <dhillon-v10> hi all :) alright so I was checking the kde merges page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MaverickKDEMerges and found that automoc4 doesn't have an assignee, can i pick that task and work on it, or should I leave it alone?
[01:37] <rgreening_> go for it.
[01:37] <rgreening_> the more the merrier dhillon-v10
[01:47] <dhillon-v10> rgreening_: thanks :) I just came back from a little break (had exams) so trying to get back to speed :)
[02:33] <keffie_jayx> could anyone help me see if this is a bug ?
[02:34] <keffie_jayx> in the comics widget, in the configuration > appearance click on hit center to see full size
[02:35] <keffie_jayx> this does not work unless show arrows only on hover
[02:35] <keffie_jayx> is click
[02:36] <keffie_jayx> i mean checked
[02:55] <|dantti|> rgreening_: do I have to reboot to test that cd thing?
[02:56] <rgreening_> |dantti|: i figured it out. its a kde issue for sure
[02:56] <|dantti|> k :P
[03:06] <valorie> rgreening_: any hope of getting that fixed?
[03:06] <valorie> you are speaking of the "CDs not playing" bug?
[03:07] <valorie> we just had another person come into #amarok today complaining
[03:07] <valorie> about that
[03:08] <rgreening_> I haven't been able to detect where its happening... could be KDE Solid or maybe deeper...
[03:08] <rgreening_> only that it works if the device is /dev/cdrom and not followed by s number
[03:09] <valorie> ah
[03:10] <valorie> have you discussed this with any KDE folks?
[03:11] <rgreening_> I was on kde-devel yesterday and posted the issue to the channel. not sure if the "right" people saw it. I gues we need to get a bug opened on it.
[03:11]  * valorie is checking the amarok list for replies
[03:12] <valorie> no
[03:12] <valorie> :(
[03:12] <valorie> I do have a new pastebin, as amarok.pastebin seems to have died
[03:13] <valorie> http://pastie.org/971665
[03:15] <valorie> I'm willing to file a bug, but someone will have to kick it upstream, correct?
[03:19] <rgreening_> sure
[04:00] <valorie> gads, bko is slower than molasses
[04:01] <valorie> still waiting for that bug to be submitted
[04:03] <valorie> Bug 238458
[04:04] <valorie> y'all might want to mark it as confirmed
[04:04] <valorie> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238458, naturally
[04:05] <valorie> not launchpad, silly ubottu
[04:06]  * valorie goes off for awhile
[10:43] <debfx> oh even more build breakage due to qtwebkit split :(
[10:48] <Tm_T> hrr
[10:48] <Tm_T> but it's good split
[10:59] <Riddell> yes it'll be a bit painful but I don't see a way around it
[11:09] <debfx> i'll be prepare another wiki page
[11:10] <debfx> will debian follow this?
[11:13] <Riddell> debian is in freeze so probably not
[11:16] <debfx> yeah but for squeeze+1
[11:17] <Riddell> I'd expect so, upstream will be releasing separate qtwebkit tars and they'd be behind the times
[11:19] <Riddell> but I need to e-mail them to let them know the status in kubuntu
[11:23] <debfx> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QtWebKitBuildDependTransition
[11:30] <debfx> I guess kdelibs5-dev needs to depend on libq4-webkit-dev
[11:30] <Riddell> that's a good idea
[11:38] <Riddell> glatzor: should I do a SRU with your fix_output.patch update?
[15:20] <Riddell> NCommander: so.. qt had a mystery failure on arm
[15:32] <ScottK> Urgh.  -- Could NOT find PolkitQt  (missing:  POLKITQT_INCLUDE_DIR POLKITQT_GUI_LIBRARY POLKITQT_CORE_LIBRARY)
[15:32] <ScottK> What am I supposed to build-depend on for that?
[15:33]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[15:33] <Riddell> libpolkit-qt-1-dev surely
[15:33] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone know of any good jobs open in the US?
[15:33] <DarkwingDuck> This Discharge is annoying
[15:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  That's the one I have.  Odd.
[15:40] <ScottK> More importantly it can't find DBusMenuQt, even though I have that in build-dep too.
[15:47] <Riddell> ScottK: our build log from lucid also has -- Could NOT find PolkitQt  (missing:  POLKITQT_INCLUDE_DIR POLKITQT_GUI_LIBRARY POLKITQT_CORE_LIBRARY)
[15:48] <Riddell> which is confusing
[15:48] <ScottK> We didn't have the build-dep in there, so I guess that's not suprising.
[15:48]  * ScottK just added it trying to fix stuff.
[15:49] <ScottK> It's the DBusMenu one that configure is currently failing on.
[15:49] <Riddell> libdbusmenu-qt-dev should give you --   found dbusmenu-qt, version 0.3.2
[15:49] <Riddell> and presumably you have kubuntu_98_dbusmenu.diff
[15:50] <ScottK> I have libdbusmenu-qt-dev in build-dep and the patch, yes.
[15:51]  * ScottK thinks to just drop it for now and move on since it'll be upstream anyway in 4.5.
[15:52] <Riddell> I was going to suggest that :)
[15:53]  * ScottK tries again.
[16:03] <ScottK> Well that got things through configure in any case ....
[16:03] <ScottK> Now to wait a bit.
[16:06] <Riddell> rgreening_: were you packaging the new attica?
[16:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I think he decided to wait and sync it from Debian.  They've packaged it.
[16:09] <Riddell> sensible enough
[16:09] <kishore> any ubiquity developers in here?
[16:09] <kishore> I'd like to get your attention to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/584074
[16:10] <kishore> Actually the description is a bit wrong now in afterthought
[16:10] <kishore> I ahve a patch
[16:10] <Riddell> kishore: shtylman would be the best guy to ping, he's not here just now, I'll subscribe him to that bug
[16:11] <kishore> Riddell: thanks
[16:17] <ScottK> Riddell: QWebView would be in the new Qt web thing, right?
[16:18] <Riddell> it'll be in libqt4-webkit-dev
[16:19] <Riddell> I wonder if that got added as a build-dep to kdelibs5-dev
[16:20] <ScottK> Apparently not.
[16:20] <debfx> Riddell: I prepared a patch for the kdelibs package though it fails to build as pkg-kde-tools needs to be updated
[16:21] <Riddell> debfx: kde4libs?
[16:22] <debfx> yes
[16:22] <Riddell> debfx: what needs updated?  we have pkg-kde-tools 0.8.0ubuntu1
[16:23] <debfx> Riddell: new dpkg version broke dh_sameversiondep
[16:23] <Riddell> hum
[16:24] <ScottK> In the mean time, while the first try was building I at least managed to fix the muffler on my car.
[16:24] <debfx> Riddell: http://debfx.fobos.de/ubu/
[16:26] <Riddell> debfx: groovy, uploading
[16:27] <debfx> I'm currently test building kde4libs to test it
[16:37] <debfx> great, pkg-kde-tools failed to build
[16:48] <debfx> Riddell: libdpkg-perl is in universe
[16:53] <debfx> Riddell: when it's moved to main, the build should work fine
[17:00] <Riddell> hum
[17:01] <Riddell> oh it's source is in main, that makes things easy then
[17:01] <debfx> even dpkg-dev depends on it :)
[17:01] <Riddell> debfx: moved, should get updated in the next hour or two
[17:10] <kishore_> shtylman: please look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/584074
[17:11] <kishore_> Im still working on the recovery process thanks to this mistake
[17:11] <kishore_> :(
[17:12] <shtylman> kishore_: true... we can be smarter about letting you know that it will be formatted... the checkbox should have been checked letting you know tho
[17:12] <kishore_> shtylman: basically, I do installations so often that the process is so repetetive that i oversee some warnings
[17:13] <shtylman> for maverick the install process is getting an overhaul
[17:13] <shtylman> kishore_: heh
[17:13] <rgreening> mornin all
[17:13] <kishore_> shtylman: the patch i attach does just that
[17:13] <maco> shtylman: if the format in the dropdown doesnt match current, make the checkbox checked and immutable so that they cant say "oh no, change the format, but dont format it" because the ability to uncheck that box while choosing a new format is *confusing*
[17:14] <shtylman> kishore_: gotcha... k I will take a look at that, thanks
[17:15] <debfx> Riddell: libdpkg-dev is also in universe, not sure if that's intended
[17:15] <kishore_> maco: the patch does just that. the check box is checked but disabled when another fs type is selected
[17:15] <maco> oh yay :)
[17:15] <maco> saw some very angry users due to that
[17:16] <kishore_> maco: Text with the checkbox reads "Format required" when this is the case
[17:16] <maco> and had a very confused time helping valorie install her system
[17:16] <maco> possibly longer text would be better?
[17:16] <kishore_> maco: My first experience of loosing a lot of data! :(
[17:16] <maco> "Your current filesystem is ___ but you have chosen ___, so formatting is required"
[17:16] <maco> that way they know how to resolve it
[17:17] <kishore_> maco: Yes. That would be recommended
[17:17] <debfx> Riddell: libqt4-webkit-dev dep for kde4libs: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdelibs/ubuntu/+merge/25820
[17:30] <kishore_> shtylman: by the way, how do you test ubiquity code? I booted up a live disk, hacked the files in there and tested
[17:31] <shtylman> that is a pretty good way
[17:31] <kishore_> shtylman: It was pretty painful in that i had to wait till i get to partioning state to test and the installer is pretty slow
[17:31] <shtylman> heh yea
[17:31] <shtylman> I usually have a livecd with nfs or sshfs of my desktop mounted
[17:31] <shtylman> and symlink the right python files
[17:31] <shtylman> so that I don't loose changes
[17:31] <shtylman> but yea... testing is pretty rough
[17:32] <kishore_> Ah i see.
[17:32] <kishore_> But you still have to pass each stage of the installer before it?
[17:32] <shtylman> well, you can do two things... you can either preseed those steps
[17:32] <shtylman> and the installer will avoid them
[17:32] <shtylman> but I have never done too much preseeding
[17:33] <shtylman> but that is the preferred way to skip those steps
[17:33] <kishore_> ok
[17:33] <shtylman> in the past, I have done a hack where you just make any of the other steps (plugins) have a syntax error
[17:34] <shtylman> python won't load the plugin and the step never appears
[17:34] <shtylman> I dunno if I would recommend that route tho
[17:34] <kishore> hehe
[17:34] <shtylman> also.. using virtualbox instead of kvm helps
[17:34] <shtylman> I find virtualbox much much faster
[17:34] <kishore> wonder what makes it slow though. It would not have had been so hard if it were fast
[17:34] <shtylman> I dunno
[17:35] <shtylman> but yes...it is very slow in kvm
[17:35] <shtylman> everything is slow in kvm for me in kde
[17:35] <kishore> Well i did my tests by booting off the live disk on my netbook
[17:36] <kishore> so no virtual machine there
[17:36] <kishore> I was wondering if it had anything to do with python as it was the first time i've looked at python code
[17:38] <shtylman> kishore: what language did you use?
[17:38] <shtylman> english?
[17:38] <shtylman> cause apparently there have been reports of slowness when not using english
[17:38] <shtylman> and yes.. people have complained of slowness... but I have never been able to track it down
[17:42] <shtylman> how the hell do I make bootchart ignore everything before a certain point...
[17:45] <kishore> shtylman: English
[17:46] <kishore> I dont know for python but are there any profiling tools?
[17:47] <shtylman> yea
[17:47] <shtylman> it has it semi built in
[17:47] <kishore> hmmm should try it then
[17:47] <shtylman> indeed... I have run it before to catch one hotspot
[17:47] <shtylman> but haven't since
[17:48] <shtylman> if you can reproduce the slowness... by all means try to track it down
[17:48] <kishore> There was a recent effort to move code from python to c++. does that apply to the installer too?
[17:48] <shtylman> nope
[17:48] <shtylman> installer will remain python
[17:48] <shtylman> it cannot change
[17:48] <shtylman> for too many reasons :)
[17:48] <kishore> ok. ill try to profile it then
[17:49] <kishore> i've always wanted to learn a bit of python anyway! :)
[17:49] <shtylman> very good :)
[17:50] <kishore> I hope the patch is atleast half decent! :)
[17:52] <shtylman> looks reasonable... I have to test it, but should be fine
[18:41] <ScottK> Did I mention -workspace merge is a PITA?
[18:42] <ScottK> FTBFS right at the end...
[18:42]  * ScottK tries again.
[18:42] <shtylman> yes you did
[18:42] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:42] <rgreening> ScottK: heh..  :P
[18:42] <rgreening> ya
[18:42]  * shadeslayer saw the ninja build dep graph
[18:43] <rgreening> maybe this time it'll actually build
[18:43]  * rgreening crosses fingers
[18:44]  * shadeslayer gives rgreening ninja good luck charm
[18:44] <shadeslayer> rgreening: oh btw could you have a look at this FTBFS https://launchpad.net/~rekonq/+archive/rekonq-daily/+build/1750631/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.rekonq_0.4.0+git20100522-0ubuntu1~ppa3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:44] <shadeslayer> i cant figure out the problem... Qwebview is in libqt4-dev,and it is included.. yet it fails...
[18:45] <rgreening> shadeslayer: do you need a newer qt?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> s/Qwebview/Qwebframe
[18:45] <rgreening> or is the cmake just not picking it up
[18:45] <debfx> shadeslayer: should build fine after https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdelibs/ubuntu/+merge/25820 is uploaded
[18:45] <rgreening> ah ha
[18:45] <rgreening> :)
[18:46] <shadeslayer> debfx: ah ok :)
[18:46] <shadeslayer> debfx: libqt4-webkit-dev is missing in the package right?
[18:47] <debfx> shadeslayer: yes
[18:48] <debfx> though if kdelibs5-dev pulls it in, no change is necessary
[18:49] <ScottK> It doesn't
[18:50] <debfx> not yet
[18:52] <debfx> ScottK: could you please trigger a rebuild of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkg-kde-tools/0.8.0ubuntu2/+build/1750618
[18:55] <crimsun> debfx: done.
[18:55] <debfx> crimsun: thanks
[18:55] <crimsun> yw
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Are we switching to Rekonq then?
[19:12] <imbrandon> Riddell: does the qt4.7 in the ppa include the webkit modules for qml ? i'm havin a bit of issues here
[19:13] <maco> DarkwingDuck: thats the plan
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmm. :/
[19:15] <imbrandon> module "org.webkit" is not installed :(
[19:21] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: hehe.. rekonq is pretty good imo,whats the problem?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ( we even have favicon support with Qt 4.7 )
[19:22] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:23] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: /etc/alternatives/www-browser
[19:23] <debfx> imbrandon: everything qtwebkit related should be in libqt4-webkit(-dev)
[19:23] <neversfelde> seems not to be updated correctly, when using rekonq
[19:23] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: oh my...
[19:24] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: that means kde users wont know rekonq exsists :P
[19:24] <neversfelde> there is already a bug report about it, but I cannot find it at the moment
[19:24] <debfx> neversfelde: should be fixed in rekonq 0.4.0-0ubuntu2
[19:25] <neversfelde> great
[19:25] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: the problem is in... our packages?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> oh awesome :)
[19:25] <imbrandon> debfx: i know, its installed but qml wont import org.webkit just the same, thus the querstion ;)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> hehehe... someone on answers.launchpad asked how many browsers can be installed on ubuntu :P
[19:26] <imbrandon> 1 million :)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:26] <neversfelde> shadeslayerm debfx: the second problem I noticed is that you cannot add bookmarks, if there is no ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[19:26] <shadeslayer> imbrandon: i bet we dont even have 1 million browsers
[19:27] <imbrandon> lunch time, i'll fight with qt some more after
[19:27] <imbrandon> shadeslayer: :)
[19:27] <neversfelde> rekong does not create this file automatically
[19:27] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: well... that is a bug with rekonq then..
[19:27] <neversfelde> seems so
[19:27] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: should i put a note in the mailing list?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> itll probably be fixed that way..
[19:28] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: it's up to you, I only wanted to inform you about it
[19:28] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: no problem ill put it in the ML
[19:29] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: weird... works here
[19:29] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: which rekonq version?
[19:29] <debfx> imbrandon: oh ok sorry, maybe qt is built with qml but qtwebkit isn't
[19:29] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: 0.4.0 with lucid, did you remove /.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml and konqueror?
[19:30] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: ah i have 0.4+git :)
[19:30] <shadeslayer> its working in git :)
[19:30] <imbrandon> debfx: yea thats what i'm thinking, i'll look into it here after bit
[19:30] <neversfelde> so probably fixed
[19:30] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: i did remove ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml but not konqueror... i just started rekonq
[19:31] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: you could try the daily build PPA
[19:31] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: https://launchpad.net/~rekonq/+archive/rekonq-daily/
[19:31]  * ScottK had kdebase-workspace building on the laptop on the way home.  Got back to power with 6% battery left.
[19:32] <shadeslayer> ScottK: \o/
[19:32] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: yes, I already have newer rekonq package. Thanks
[19:32] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw how much was it when you started>
[19:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not sure where it was on this try.  I've built it (almost) about 3 times today.
[19:33] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:42] <Riddell> imbrandon: I suspect the qml webkit plugin doesn't get made with our split packages, probably something we need to talk to upstream about
[19:47] <debfx> Riddell: could you please merge and sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdelibs/ubuntu/+merge/25820
[19:49] <Riddell> debfx: let me look
[19:50] <rgreening> ScottK: wth? where was I connected? bizarre
[19:50] <rgreening> Riddell: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:50] <rgreening> :)
[19:50] <rgreening> kdelibs hates me!
[19:51] <lex79> rgreening: what's the problem now?
[19:51] <lex79> still ftbs?
[19:51] <Riddell> debfx: groovy, uploaded
[19:52] <rgreening> lex79: http://paste.ubuntu.com/437968/
[19:52] <rgreening> Solid/HAL
[19:52] <Riddell> I remember why I stopped using paste.u.c, no word wrap
[19:52] <ScottK> rgreening: You were on the OFTC #kubuntu-devel we used briefly when freenode was down or something.
[19:53] <rgreening> ScottK: oh.. oops
[19:53] <rgreening> ha
[19:53] <rgreening> lex79: I think I see the issue
[19:54] <rgreening> ya. got to patch that
[19:55] <lex79> rgreening: try to comment kubuntu_06 patch for now
[19:57] <lex79> I mean...change kubuntu_06 to #kubuntu_06 in series
[20:04] <rgreening> ok
[20:06]  * ScottK looks at rgreening and wonders why he didn't package apache2-icons-oxygen yet (See opensuse weekly news for details).
[20:07] <ScottK> Riddell: We really need a KC meeting so debfx can be a member ....
[20:08] <Riddell> trouble is we also need to disband half the KC so we can do the re-election thing
[20:08] <ScottK> Can the extant KC get one more meeting in ....
[20:09] <Riddell> if it's quick
[20:10] <Riddell> seele, apachelogger, Nightrose, rgreening: free for a meeting any european evening next week?
[20:10] <rgreening> "Mr Humphrey's... are you free?"  ... Yes, I'm Free
[20:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: Nightrose and me only past wednesday I suppose
[20:11] <ScottK> That's only slightly obscure
[20:11] <ScottK> rgreening: ^^^
[20:11] <Riddell> does debfx even want to be a member or is ScottK just assuming? :)
[20:12]  * ScottK recalls it's come up before.
[20:12] <rgreening> ScottK: :)  I'm a fan of the show, what can I say
[20:12] <maco> i was just asked if babelfish (as in H2G2) were real
[20:12] <maco> rgreening: me too!
[20:12] <Nightrose> Riddell: yea but after friday would be awesome for me
[20:12] <Nightrose> well friday works too
[20:12] <maco> rgreening: i have a DVD of it sitting here. Riddell and i watched a few episodes one night
[20:13]  * Riddell frankly somewhat perplexed by the affection some americans have for dated english sit coms
[20:14]  * ScottK too.
[20:14]  * ScottK enjoyed that one in it's day, but it seems a bit past.
[20:14] <debfx> Riddell: yeah I even added my application to the meetings wiki page :)
[20:16] <ScottK> What do I do about: dh_sameversiondep: /usr/bin/dh_sameversiondep: no same version dependencies for 'sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev:kdebase-workspace-bin' found (at Depends of the kdebase-workspace-dev package)
[20:17] <ScottK> debfx: Is that the problem you were just fixing with pkg-kde-tools?
[20:17] <maco> Riddell: they dont tend to reach here until they're dated there
[20:18] <maco> Riddell: so while that show is likely from the 60s or thereabouts, it was on tv in the US in the 90s
[20:18] <Riddell> wasn't the US busy watching Friends in the 90s?
[20:19] <ScottK> Riddell: That wouldn't explain rgreening, but he's always tough to explain in any case.
[20:19] <maco> well they didnt air at the same time :P
[20:19] <maco> and i didnt watch Friends
[20:19] <debfx> ScottK: yes
[20:19] <debfx> should be fixed now
[20:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: DUDE
[20:22] <Riddell> http://gadgetmix.com/index/kubuntu-netbook-review/  a pleasingly positive review
[20:22] <Riddell> don't know where the got the strange hexagon logo from but
[20:23] <maco> Riddell: it was one of the suggested ones like 6mo or a year ago
[20:42] <rgreening> ScottK: being an enigma takes a soecial talent :)
[20:43] <ScottK> OK, heaved -workspace at the archive.  Let's hope it sticks.
[20:55] <rgreening> ok, taking a break from kdelibs. it failed yet again.
[20:56] <rgreening> this beta is beating me out
[21:00] <DarkwingDuck> ``````````````         SSSSSGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL[[[[[[';
[21:00] <DarkwingDuck> Working on a comp sci with emphasis on programming.
[21:04] <shadeslayer> ^^ longest ping time out ever...
[21:06] <lex79> rgreening: what's the error now?
[22:29] <vbgunz> fellas. I have an esata hdd. I ran into nothing but headaches trying to hotswap it *but* something happened and now it works. I just want to share my experience here because I don't think this is a fluke. The answer is connecting the esata disk through usb first. mount it, check it, unmount and turn off. from this point out reboot after reboot (even the same session) I could hotswap using esata indefinitely. something about the usb simply solved it
[22:29] <vbgunz> for me.
[22:31] <vbgunz> could you guys look into making this simpler? I should not have plugged it into usb first for this to work. it's a hotswappable esata disk and they're extrememly popular and a bit older than modern. whether or not my connection was a fluke, esata does indeed work and should not be problematic. that really is all.
[22:32] <vbgunz> maybe someone could look into why I needed to use usb to solve it. I hope my experience helps in some way. have a good day!
[22:56] <Quintasan> \o
[23:14] <shtylman> hmm... does latest kde trunk build against these qt packages we have?
[23:14] <shtylman> cause I get errors wrt the dbus menu stuff
[23:15] <Sput> aaah. good old dbus menu. which apparently decided to suicide again and killed all the right-click context menus in the tray.
[23:15] <shtylman> heh
[23:18] <shtylman> Riddell: the version of qt we have packaged doesn't have agateu's patches...
[23:32] <seele> Riddell: i start an internship next week so I'm not available until after 23:00 CET
[23:38] <shtylman> Riddell: shouldn't libqt4-dev depend on libqt4-webkit-dev now?
[23:39] <shtylman> likewise... I can't buid kde trunk with our new qt packages from experimental... :(
[23:43] <shtylman> might have lied about that last one... rerunning again with qtwebkit installed before I ran configure
[23:43] <shtylman> shall see if results are different


[16:07] <gabis> QUESTION: Are there any plans for an ubuntu phone next year?
[16:19] <dholbach> we had the Q&A yesterday
[16:26] <gabis> QUESTION: Are there any plans for an ubuntu phone next year?