[05:19] <DPic> ello
[05:19] <desertc> hi
[05:21] <desertc> what
[05:21] <desertc> 's up?
[05:23] <DPic> can i add my acitivsm project to our projects page?
[05:23] <desertc> sounds like an interesting project.  I was reading about it last night.
[05:24] <desertc> Probably should talk with boredandblogging about adding to pages
[05:25] <DPic> is boredandblogging mainly in charge of this team?
[05:26] <desertc> well... I think, at least, he has a better understanding of the documentation than I do.
[05:27] <desertc> Like any decentralized grassroots team, it's a bit vague on who is in charge.
[05:27] <DPic> I see
[05:27] <DPic> I'd like to see 1. LoCoAcitivism 2. List of Free Software alternatives for Linux (i know there are lists on other sites, i think we should have one too) 3. Why Free Software
[05:27] <desertc> What is the link of the project page you mentioned?  Maybe I can find an owner for you.
[05:28] <DPic> and owner of what? the LoCoActivism project?
[05:28] <DPic> an*
[05:28] <desertc> the page
[05:28] <DPic> I created the page...
[05:29] <DPic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoActivism
[05:29] <desertc> you said you wanted to add that project to 'our projects page'
[05:29] <desertc> what webpage did you mean by 'our projects page' ?
[05:29] <DPic> ah, the main page on the wiki
[05:29] <desertc> what is the link
[05:30] <DPic> haha https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[05:31] <desertc> I would say talk with Corey Burger
[05:32] <DPic> alright, thanks
[05:32] <desertc> But -- you know you can edit that page right now, right?
[05:32] <desertc> The wiki pages are for everyone to edit
[05:33] <desertc> If someone doesn't like your edits, then they will remove them
[05:35] <DPic> yes, i like to make sure that i wont upset anyone before i edit though, that's all
[05:35] <DPic> seems safe though
[05:35] <DPic> about the #3 thing i mentioned-- there's a FreeFormats page but no FreeSoftware page-- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeSoftware
[05:53] <DPic> Would you guys enjoy a wiki that looks like the Ubuntu-MA team wiki?
[05:57] <DPic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam
[17:13] <DPic138> Is spread ubuntu much different than the contribute to ubuntu page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu


[09:44] <GeorgeJ> Hello folks!
[09:44] <GeorgeJ> IS there any ARM channel on freenode?
[09:44] <GeorgeJ> Specific to ARM, not neccesarely ubuntu-arm.
[09:52] <cooloney> GrueMaster and NCommander, i uploaded armadaxp kernel to PPA, building is ok.
[19:11] <NCommander> infinity: ogra_: anyone want to review the kernel before I upload?
[19:12] <infinity> NCommander: It'll land in NEW anyway, I can review it there. ;)
[19:13] <infinity> NCommander: Unless you suspect it's a mess and will need a few iterations.
[19:14] <NCommander> infinity: its pretty hidious, but I think I got everything correct.
[19:14] <infinity> Is there any reason that, despite using the omap4 packaging, it's only building for armhf?
[19:14] <GrueMaster> infinity: Define "mess".  It does need work, but the sooner we get it into main, the sooner we can spin images and hammer it with more tests (and file bugs against it).
[19:14] <infinity> I mean, I know we'll only build IMAGES for armhf, but there's no reason not to provide the kernel for armel too.
[19:15] <GrueMaster> Mainly for testing.  We have a very limited quantity of systems.  Beyond that, I don't see a reason for no armel rev.
[19:16] <infinity> NCommander: Anyhow, what I see for ~ppa4 looks fine on the surface, but I haven't done copyright audits and the like, which I'll do when it lands in NEW.  So, make sure debian/copyright is sane.
[19:16] <infinity> GrueMaster: Yeah, it just didn't make sense to me to intentionally fork that from the omap4 packaging.  Had it been cargo-culted wholesale, it would have armel too. ;)
[19:16] <infinity> But, not picky.
[19:17] <NCommander> infinity: well, I need to cut some crud, I don't thinkwe need linux-armadaxp-libc-dev
[19:17] <infinity> Most people should only ever want armhf on this thing anyway.
[19:17] <infinity> NCommander: I don't see that in the published packages...
[19:17] <NCommander> oh, it got stubbedout
[19:17]  * NCommander is going through one last time
[19:19] <infinity> NCommander: Anyhow.  Yeah.  Just double-check that licensing stuff is right, blah blah, any last-minute crap you care about, upload, and I'll put on a different hat and give it a proper review.
[19:19] <infinity> NCommander: And we did, ultimately, get agreement from all concerned parties to jam this in main, right?
[19:19] <NCommander> infinity: I used the existing copyright with a notice that its Linux for ArmadaXP, and that Marvell added that support
[19:19] <NCommander> infinity: yes, we did, but we need a proper MIR for it
[19:19] <infinity> We... Do?
[19:19] <NCommander> (per skaet)
[19:19] <infinity> It's a kernel.
[19:20] <infinity> I'll talk to her about that.
[19:20] <NCommander> infinity: publish it to universe for now. We can promote it later, but I need something sitting in archive
[19:20] <infinity> I'll talk in parallel with my review.
[19:20] <infinity> Of the tlak goes nowhere fun, I'll accept to universe.
[19:20] <NCommander> infinity: thanks
[19:20] <infinity> But I'd prefer to accept to main.
[19:20] <infinity> So, we'll see how that goes.
[19:21]  * NCommander would like someone else review this before kicking to the archive, but uploading 100 MiB to REVU on this linux will SUCK
[19:21] <NCommander> s/linux/link/g
[19:22] <infinity> And no orig either.  So, every iteration is a new land of suck.
[19:22] <NCommander> infinity: I built one
[19:22] <infinity> But, honestly, all of our !primary kernel packaging is a mess.
[19:22] <NCommander> or more specifically
[19:22] <infinity> apw and I have been talking about ways to make that less so.
[19:22] <NCommander> I grabbed the .orig that was used in oneiric
[19:22] <infinity> But for now, "Whatever, if it builds packages that work."
[19:23] <NCommander> but it should make future uploads be about 4 MiB (the Marvell crap lives in diff.gz :-()
[19:26] <NCommander> infinity: uploading now. Holding about 200 KiB (I found T-Mobile gave me better upstream than my home ISP or starbucks)
[19:28] <infinity> That's a bit sad.  But good advertising for tmo. :P
[19:30] <NCommander> 3 Mbit up/7 down according to speed test
[19:30] <NCommander> Home connection is 256kpbs up/25 down
[19:30] <NCommander> and t-mobile offers $30 prepaid SIMs with 5 GiB. When I hit the bandwidth cap, I run to the store, buy a new SIM, and run with it
[19:31]  * NCommander went through about 10 GiB of 3G data in a week when we were in Austin due to the pathetic hotel wireless
[19:38] <NCommander>   Uploading linux-armadaxp_3.0.0.orig.tar.gz: 19570k/94410k[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer
[19:38] <NCommander> ARGH$#!@#!#^$
[19:39] <infinity> NCommander: rsync --partial to chinstrap, and dput from there.
[19:39] <infinity> NCommander: Then you can at least resume.
[19:41] <NCommander> good idea
[19:43] <GrueMaster> NCommander: I already have the ppa4 kernel in my chinstrap directory, if you want to save time.
[19:43] <NCommander> GrueMaster: cooloney packaged it wrong and there is no orig.tar.gz so it needs a reupload
[19:44] <GrueMaster> bah.  Figures.
[19:44] <infinity> NCommander: Well, also...
[19:44] <infinity> NCommander: If that's a bit-for-bit copy of the orig from oneiric, just grab it from the librarian to chinstrap and rename it.
[19:44] <infinity> NCommander: Then upload diff and dsc, and dput.
[19:44] <infinity> diff and dsc and changes even, but you know what I mean.
[19:45] <NCommander> infinity: indeed
[19:45] <GrueMaster> infinity: I didn't push the source up.  Just the binary .deb
[19:46] <GrueMaster> Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
[19:47]  * infinity grabs a snack while this all goes on.
[19:51] <NCommander> uploaded
[19:51]  * NCommander waits for a NEW email
[19:59]  * NCommander still waits for a NEW email
[20:03] <NCommander> infinity: [ubuntu/precise] linux-armadaxp 3.0.0-1500.1 (New)
[20:03] <NCommander> do your thing
[20:16] <infinity> NCommander: Thinging.
[20:23] <GrueMaster> ewww,
[23:52] <TheMuso> ogra_: That thread for the AC100 config patch didn't go anywhere, so if that alsa-lib config snippet works with the aC100 for the kernel you have in precise for that hardware, then I'll put it in for precise, and we can sort it out properly in the future, when are get into the device-tree ira.


[05:25] <Ragex> hello
[22:04] <Andre_> does anybody know how to upgrade 16.04 to 16.10?
[22:05] <Guest53814> do release upgrade returns " no new releases found"
[22:05] <wxl> you're probably on the lts track
[22:06] <wxl> i gotta remember how to do this
[22:07] <krytarik> !upgradeofflts
[22:07] <wxl> oh god thanks
[22:07] <Guest53814> great!
[22:07] <wxl> i was on the right track :)
[22:08] <Guest53814> prompt = lts to prompt=normal
[22:08] <Guest53814> changing it
[22:09] <Guest53814> now it works!
[22:09] <Guest53814> got it!
[22:09] <Guest53814> Thank you ubottu! thank you wxl!
[22:14] <Guest53814> thank you krytarik :)
[22:14] <Guest53814> !upgradeofflts
[22:14] <Guest53814> !downgradeofflts
[22:14] <Guest53814> haha
[22:14] <Guest53814> good bot :)


[06:13] <Kamilion> wxl: Hey, did you perhaps mean using urwid to make ubiquity available on a console?
[12:52] <Klubuntu> Is it higher system requirements for 15.04 then 14.04.2 ? And i am not sure what to use xubuntu or lubuntu. I have 1Gb ram.
[13:16] <wxl> Kamilion: no, but i have no clue what urwid is, so do elucidate.
[13:18] <Kamilion> wxl: here's an urwid-based json editor written in python: http://puu.sh/hD8Cs/3e7f8d9d61.png
[13:37] <Kamilion> http://urwid.org/examples/index.html   basically, fancy terminal stuff.
[13:41] <wxl> Kamilion: well we could certainly leverage that if need be. but no, that's not what i meant.
[13:41] <Kamilion> Aw. Darn.
[13:41] <Kamilion> I would have liked to see a nice ubiquity interface in urwid
[13:45] <wxl> Kamilion: if you want to take on the task of making such a thing with the goal of having it be lightweight, knock yourself out
[13:45] <wxl> seriously, the release team would love you and so would i
[13:46] <Kamilion> i'd honestly love to; but I can't dedicate the time at the moment
[13:47] <Kamilion> later on once I'm actually familiar with it all, I might consider taking a stab at it
[13:48] <Kamilion> right now I'm not really too well versed in dealing with concurrency in python
[13:49] <Kamilion> I'm looking at several methods of implimentation, focusing on python 3.4, but in some cases having fallbacks to 2.7 for now
[13:49] <Kamilion> depending on how I decide to write the code, it may run unmodified on both 3.4 and 2.7.9
[13:49] <ianorlin> hmm juffed doesn't have markdown or restructured text syntax highlighting
[13:50] <Kamilion> speaking of which, is there a list of core things that still rely on python2?
[13:51] <ianorlin> apt-cache rdepends?
[13:51] <Kamilion> if I recall correctly, there was a release goal a while ago of dumping py2 from the installer image
[13:52] <Kamilion> i know it wasn't reached; but I'm curious as to it's progress; and I don't really recall where I read about it or how long ago other than that it was less than 2 years ago.
[13:52] <Kamilion> was probably an lwn article or something
[13:53] <Kamilion> ah
[13:53] <Kamilion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/3
[13:53] <Kamilion> that's talking about the touch images
[13:54] <Kamilion> ah, found it
[13:54] <Kamilion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsTPythonVersions
[13:55] <wxl> Kamilion: there was a uos session on that but i didn't attend
[13:56] <Kamilion> were they recorded?
[13:56] <ianorlin> yes
[14:00] <Kamilion> assuming they'll take some time to process.
[17:21] <Nairolf21> Hi, wxl. I wonder if it would not be better to use the W3C tool for searching broken links. And, after, use Python and parse the source code in order to make some scrapping. Because it's very very too long doing this manually...
[17:21] <wxl> Nairolf21: sounds reasonable
[17:27] <Nairolf21> Because, this tool is great but it doesn't return these links in a text format, for example. So, as everybody can launch this tool, they can have access to these links. But without text format, it's almost useful, because you need to launch it and it takes long time to run and inspect all links. Also, it use recursion, but doesn't work correctly. If you go out to the domain, it keeps searching links....
[17:28] <wxl> sounds like a good improvement then Nairolf21 :)
[17:30] <Nairolf21> Okay, I'll try to do that. Never parse web source page before ;)
[17:31] <Nairolf21> bye ;)
[22:23] <ahoneybun> poke gsilva and wxl
[22:23] <wxl> gsilva: you need to talk with ahoneybun
[22:23] <gsilva> Hi
[22:23] <ahoneybun> hey gsilva
[22:23] <gsilva> I'm here, I'm here :)
[22:23] <gsilva> heloo, ahoneybun
[22:23] <wxl> ahoneybun is a kubuntu docs guy
[22:23] <wxl> he can totally help with the wiki project
[22:25] <ahoneybun> I'm guessing your on the wiki.ubuntu.com pages? or just packaged up for now
[22:25] <ahoneybun> ?
[22:25] <gsilva> Oh, that's very cool! I found a possible contributor - he has spoken to you today, wxl - which also gave me a boost
[22:25] <gsilva> on those pages mainly, yes. Then I'll (try) to take care of the Community wiki
[22:25] <ahoneybun> links gsilva?
[22:27] <ahoneybun> got it
[22:27] <ahoneybun> gsilva: this is the current setup we have at Kubuntu: http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu
[22:28] <wxl> ok, i'm actuallty going back to work now
[22:28] <wxl> congrats again gsilva
[22:28] <wxl> and thanks again for the help ahoneybun
[22:28] <ahoneybun> np wxl
[22:28] <ahoneybun> really have done nothing yet on my end though
[22:28] <wxl> ahoneybun: the contact is very meaningful
[22:29] <wxl> at present gsilva is on his own for the most part
[22:29] <ahoneybun> of course
[22:29] <wxl> and despite that he has persevered and made huge progress
[22:29] <wxl> he's a natural leader
[22:29] <wxl> you give him a little help, it goes a longw ay :)
[22:29] <ahoneybun> like he said we should pull togehter
[22:29] <ahoneybun> *together
[22:29] <gsilva> You don't have a domain under wiki.ubuntu.com? We have our focus over there. Feels more appropriate, even though it can be implemented in our official website later
[22:30] <ahoneybun> we moved it since they have a very nice wiki under MediaWiki
[22:30] <ahoneybun> the ubuntu wiki uses the markup MoinMoin
[22:31] <ahoneybun> plus we use KDE software
[22:31] <gsilva> Unfortunately, I'm no power-user, hence I can't implement such thing on my own. Either way, I never was too bothered of the current form, since it makes sense in my opinion. Besides, Ubuntu brings advertisement to other flavours :P
[22:31] <ahoneybun> that is true, but KDE has a large Global name
[22:31] <ahoneybun> same has Ubuntu
[22:32] <ahoneybun> someone on the team talked to the KDE people
[22:32] <ahoneybun> gsilva: have any HTML and CSS knowledge?
[22:32] <gsilva> Very short. Not on an independent level
[22:33] <ahoneybun> this is a very nice tool someone shared with me: https://jsfiddle.net
[22:34] <ahoneybun> I wish we could all use one system so we are not so disconnected
[22:34] <ahoneybun> *other then wiki.ubuntu.com
[22:34] <ahoneybun> here is some work on it: http://jsfiddle.net/ahoneybun/43vgd831/
[22:35] <gsilva> we also have stuff at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki
[22:35] <gsilva> That's a great finding :o
[22:36]  * ahoneybun logs in and makes changes
[22:38] <ahoneybun> gsilva: I would move a few things around on that main page
[22:38] <ahoneybun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation
[22:38] <gsilva> ahoneybun, would you mind to stick around on this channel? I wish to collaborate with you guys frequently. My idea to the wiki is to try different approaches to make it more easy to use, that contains enough information for all kinds of users and then we can prepare some things to our own teams
[22:39] <gsilva> and ofc, exchange experiences and methodologies to work together. That would be great :)
[22:39] <gsilva> yes, that wiki will be very troublesome to fix. There a lot of dead pages
[22:39] <ahoneybun> gsilva: I've already save the channel so I'll be in here very time I'm on IRC :)
[22:39] <ahoneybun> *every time
[22:40] <gsilva> Our wiki is a bit of a mess. There are linkings to both wikis so you're constantly jumping back and forth
[22:40] <ahoneybun> yea I see that
[22:40] <gsilva> One either finds a way to put everything only in one place
[22:40] <ahoneybun> we'll get it in order
[22:40] <gsilva> and find a purpose for both Wikis
[22:40] <gsilva> or just have the same structure in both websites
[22:41] <ahoneybun> been awhile since I touch MoinMoin lol
[22:41] <ahoneybun> gsilva: this is your main page: http://jsfiddle.net/ahoneybun/83k52kkx/
[22:42] <gsilva> I never used this tool, so I don't know what to look for
[22:43] <gsilva> MoinMoin is easy to use, to be honest :P
[22:43] <ahoneybun> it's nothing till you see MediaWiki
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I started with it as well
[22:44] <ahoneybun> first I'll go those big blue buttons to check their links
[22:45] <gsilva> ahoneybun, thank you for your collaborations. You don't need to do that, by the way. I'm still thinking about a structure for our Wiki and use the fact that we have no release on hands to work on that
[22:45] <ahoneybun> gsilva: why are Applications and Setup on one page?
[22:45] <gsilva> Your idea of having our own dedicated Wiki is interesting, but I'm keeping it at wiki.Ubuntu.com
[22:45] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[22:46] <gsilva> This week was a very busy one. I also had some drawbacks on my thesis and tomorrow I have a job interview
[22:46] <gsilva> But when things settle down a bit again, I'll work on that for good
[22:46] <ahoneybun> gsilva: I always take reference from http://docs.xubuntu.org
[22:46] <gsilva> I also have something else on hands, but I need other's approval to go on - I'm looking at you, wxl :P
[22:47] <gsilva> Here's thing that may be interesting to you guys, ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-manual
[22:47] <ahoneybun> this is nice as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME
[22:49] <ahoneybun> wait is this you ? https://launchpad.net/~gustavosantaremsilva
[22:49] <gsilva> yes, I am
[22:49] <gsilva> yea, I like their Wiki
[22:50] <ahoneybun> you gave the wrong link in the meeting
[22:50] <ahoneybun> oh I did not see the other link
[22:50] <gsilva> ahoneybun, I fixed my mistake
[22:50] <gsilva> I also posted that :)
[22:50] <ahoneybun> yea I just read it
[22:51]  * ahoneybun branches lp:lubuntu-manual
[22:52] <ahoneybun> I found this recently and was looking into it: https://readthedocs.org
[22:52] <gsilva> let me know if there's something I can do to help with the Manual. Unfortunately, I've been finding troubles to do all of this by my own, so I am now hunting new contributors to help :)
[22:53] <gsilva> That is interesting :)
[22:53] <ahoneybun> I'm sorta working solo, I have others who work from time to time and help
[22:53] <ahoneybun> so kinda am and kinda not
[22:56] <gsilva> Right, I know the feeling :D
[22:56] <ahoneybun> its all good though
[22:56] <ahoneybun> team work
[22:59] <gsilva> Indeed. Team efforts, strategic thinking and thinking ahead (are these the same!?)
[22:59] <gsilva> Eventually things pay off :)
[22:59] <ahoneybun> for sure
[23:00]  * ahoneybun is going to Spain for his work
[23:00] <gsilva> Specially when we deliver. The feeling is just amazing
[23:00] <ahoneybun> yes
[23:01] <ahoneybun> for sure
[23:03] <gsilva> Well, we'll be in touch. I need to get myself kind of prepared for my job interview tomorrow. Thank you for the support, ahoneybun :)
[23:03] <ahoneybun> no problem, I'm around 19:00 UTC or so
[23:04] <gsilva> Alright, no problem. I'm usually around all day - Unemployed life sucks
[23:05] <ahoneybun> lol
[23:05] <ahoneybun> employed life sucks a bit less
[23:06] <gsilva> If you're happy with what you do, then its great - from personal experience
[23:07] <ahoneybun> yea I could be in a worst place
[23:27] <ahoneybun> I'm really liking readthedocs
[23:27] <ahoneybun> gsilva: ^ for later
[23:53] <ianorlin> hmm I instlaled lxqt from the mini but had a wierd thing where it booted to a white screen when sddm was supposed to start


[02:37] <Cheri703> blarghy blargh, want to work on dual-boot machine, but place I have to sit is uncomfortable :(
[02:51] <canthus13> blargh.
[02:59] <Cheri703> just got a call from friend's sister whose blu-ray player I set up the other night :) she was getting an error message, I helped her take care of it
[03:26] <Cheri703> Unit193: I'm plugging in the laptop now to top off the battery, any requests on how I test it? would you prefer a "connected to wifi, streaming full-screen video, while running some sort of something in the background" or just standby? (or a battery test program if I can find one)
[03:29] <Cheri703> Unit193: also, as a note: mom pulled this battery out last thursday, and I just put it in, and it was fully charged, granted, it wasn't being used, but it held its charge alright (I've had old batteries that ran themselves down when sitting unused)
[03:31] <Unit193> I think it would be used for wifi, t-bird and FF... so I don't know what would be the best way to test it
[03:31] <Cheri703> ok, I'll stream a video
[03:31] <Cheri703> in ff
[03:31] <Cheri703> with several tabs open
[03:31] <Cheri703> and refreshing
[03:34] <Unit193> But I think friend is getting it (doesn't matter on the battery test side)
[03:34] <Cheri703> ok, either way
[03:35] <Cheri703> I still want to know :)
[03:37] <Cheri703> full brightness, wifi, streaming hulu full screen, started at 10:36
[04:19] <Unit193> http://jokes4all.net/joke_1560.html <-- so true
[04:33] <Cheri703> 11:33, computer went into hibernate
[04:34] <Cheri703> so 57 minutes with full screen hulu video playing, full volume, on wifi
[04:34] <canthus13> Get caffeine.
[04:34] <canthus13> Oh. Battery test. nm
[04:35] <Cheri703> 1 hour for an older laptop is reasonable I'd think...perhaps
[04:36] <canthus13> Maxed out? Yeah... not bad.
[04:36] <Unit193> How hard is it to swap out the cells?
[04:37] <Unit193> (something I read said you could...)
[04:37] <canthus13> Cells? I'd just replace the battery.
[04:37] <canthus13> And it depends on the battery.
[04:37] <Unit193> Thanks for the info Cheri703!
[04:37] <Cheri703> sure, like I said, always good to have a reference point :)
[04:38] <canthus13> http://www.electronics-lab.com/articles/Li_Ion_reconstruct/
[04:40] <Unit193> maybe not...
[04:44] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:49] <canthus13> Unit193: ...was it the 'Caution: Explosion Risk' notices that decided it?
[05:02] <stalcup> yo
[05:11] <canthus13> ho
[05:15] <Cheri703> a pirate's life for me
[05:15] <Unit193> canthus13: That's about it...
[05:21] <canthus13> Cheri703++
[06:41] <Unit193> canthus13: Giving neatx a try... hopefully....
[11:50]  * canthus13 is using FreeNX. It works quite well. :)
[14:04] <thafreak> canthus13: yes, some parts of ldap *can* be a pain in the ass, but the fact that just about *ANYTHING* can use it as an auth source is pretty awesome
[14:12] <thafreak> Oh, and the best tools for working with ldap are still the CLI ones, which kind of sucks for most people...
[14:51] <deejoe> it's sort of the sendmail of directory services
[14:51] <deejoe> complicately powerful
[14:51] <deejoe> er,
[14:51] <deejoe> complicatedly?
[14:52] <deejoe> anyway, even more tangentially X is the Y of Z: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1295


[00:08] <murthy> Hello everyone
[00:09] <murthy> Is Ubuntu's live kernal patching is sufficient for kernel security updates or is a system reboot is need at times?
[00:09] <murthy> kernel
[00:10] <sarnold> murthy: not everything can be livepatched
[00:11] <sarnold> murthy: periodically there's a bug that's got enough consequences that also requires a reboot to fix, and livepatches won't be produced for the older kernels
[00:11] <sarnold> murthy: take a look at the end of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2020-September/005602.html for example
[00:13] <murthy> sarnold: I think my Ubuntu server version is 20.04.1, let me check again
[00:16] <murthy> Ubuntu version is Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS, kernel version is 5.4.0-1034-aws
[00:19] <murthy> sarnold: Can I ask stuff about Ubuntu on aws here?
[00:19] <murthy> btw I am a noob
[00:20] <murthy> Ok I will just go ahead and ask, if its appropriate kindly answer
[00:21] <murthy> Are the Ubuntu AMIs for Amazon EC2 are by Ubuntu or Its a Amazon's modified version of Ubuntu?
[00:28] <gebbione> murthy, if in the AMIs documentation just says ubuntu i guess it should just be the original ubuntu. Usually the AMI documentation is explicit about these differences
[00:30] <sarnold> murthy: well.. the ubuntu AMIs published on amazon have a kernel that has been customized as amazon asked, and they run an agent (ssm-agent? I think?) that offers some amazon specific features
[00:30] <pillager86> Why won't Eclipse launch from the launcher but I can type in eclipse just fine?
[00:30] <pillager86> How do I edit my launch items?
[00:31] <sarnold> murthy: all these AMIs are published by canonical http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/
[00:32] <sarnold> murthy: there's also ubuntu pro AMIs available, https://ubuntu.com/aws/pro -- I'm not sure if these are in the locator output or not
[00:33] <murthy> sarnold: I will check those out.
[00:38] <pillager86> I have a dead Eclipse icon and I don't see a file in /usr/share/applications for it
[00:47] <pillager86> OK I found two different eclipse desktop entries, buried in the snap folders, and I analyzed the exec field of both and eclipse works when run from the command line but not when launched.
[00:47] <pillager86> How do I fix a broken launcher icon?
[00:48] <pillager86> I already tried reinstalling
[00:58] <pillager86> oh well i give up. i'm going to start installing software the Windows way, random downloads from official websites.
[00:58] <sarnold> lol
[00:58] <pillager86> I think I know how to build things from source and create my own custom launchers that actually work
[00:58] <sarnold> good luck :)
[01:00] <pillager86> lol the Eclipse website has a Linux installer that works better than grabbing it off snap
[01:43] <murthy> gebbione, sarnold, thanks for the help
[01:47] <sarnold> murthy: sure thing :)
[03:24] <Lithium64> good night, i'm with this bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209839 after today kernel update on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[03:25] <Lithium64> Can't conect to wired ethernet after this kernel update :/
[03:28] <Bashing-om> Lithium64: In general interest - what kernel - uname -r - ?
[03:28] <Lithium64> 5.8.0-36-generic
[03:30] <Bashing-om> Lithium64: We are seeing a lot of regressions with this kernel - I have no solution to this time to offer other than seeing what results when booting the GA 5.4 kernel.
[03:31] <Lithium64> Bashing-om Thanks, where i can file a bug report?
[03:32] <sarnold> is that driver supplied by the kernel or by a dkms module?
[03:34] <Lithium64> From what I read it is provided by the kernel, the bug was fixed on kernel 5.9.5
[03:35] <Lithium64> 5.9.7*
[03:36] <sarnold> okay, try ubuntu-bug linux-image-generic  -- that should start the bug report process
[03:42] <Lithium64> @sarnold Thanks
[04:39] <backthen> Any easy ways to install ubuntu with gui on android
[05:02] <pip> Is there any way to change the static hostname?
[05:05] <Bashing-om> pip: See: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux .
[05:08] <pip> Bashing-om, Could not set property, Access Denied.
[05:10] <Bashing-om> pip: Do we need "sudo" to perform that function ? re-reading the link.
[05:11] <Rum> Yes
[05:12] <pip> pip@KylinOS:~$ sudo hostnamectl set-hostname KylinOS
[05:12] <pip> Could not set property: Access denied
[05:14] <Bashing-om> pip: Humm .. do "you" have "sudo" rights ? what shows terminal command ' id ' ?
[05:15] <pip> yes, there is a 27(sudo) there in the command output
[05:16] <Rum> pip: you could modify the /etc/hostname file and /etc/hosts along with it manually
[05:17] <Rum> otherwise, it has to be some missing permissions
[05:18] <Bashing-om> pip: Hot me - one can however manually make the change by editing /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname; but I do think systemd wants us to use hostnamectl.
[05:18] <pip> Alright, done
[05:18] <Rum> Also, there's a flag for hostnamectl. It's --static IIRC.
[05:18] <Rum> keep it in mind ;)
[05:19] <pip> Well hostnamectl just changed the transient name
[05:19] <pip> The manual way works.
[05:19] <Rum> Good job :)
[05:49] <kwken> how will you explain this: https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/16094681 ?
[05:53] <lordcirth> !ru | kwken
[05:53] <kwken> use google translate
[05:55] <lordcirth> kwken, it is not understandable via google translate.
[05:56] <lordcirth> kwken, but from what I can tell, the OP is setting the root password to "toor" and wondering why they got rooted.
[05:57] <kwken> why does ubuntu have root ssh login on by default?
[05:58] <lordcirth> kwken, well, for one thing, ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default, and you aren't supposed to set one
[06:00] <ayaka_> I have more than one nvidia graphics cards installed in the same machine using proprietary driver
[06:00] <ayaka_> but when I plug a monitor into it, the tty won't display there unless I do a reboot
[06:01] <ayaka_> is there a way to make the tty display at the display port I just plugged
[06:22] <punkgeek> anybode can help me in this case? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FYC4dMDbK5/
[06:33] <guiverc> punkgeek, you could get more people responding if you said what it was & what help you're after...
[07:20] <bryanroderyck> m
[07:22] <bryanroderyck> hello i have two software updater on ubuntu 20.4.1
[07:28] <bryanroderyck> can someone help me to get my wifi working?
[07:30] <ayaka_> I have problem with the netplan, I am using the netplan to configure vlan on my network interface
[07:31] <ayaka_> but I found it won't be apply even I do netplan apply unless I did a reboot
[07:46] <bryanroderyck> https://imgur.com/a/BIXU1Kx
[07:51] <bryanroderyck> lotuspsychje,
[07:52] <tony145> what is your problem with the WIFI
[07:52] <tony145> it can't connect?
[07:55] <bryanroderyck> tony145, it doesnt connect
[08:06] <tony145> bryanroderyck from what I read it is kinda tricky to make it work but you can try https://suryanshpradhan.wordpress.com/2020/01/17/how-to-fix-broadcom-bcm43142-wifi-not-working-on-ubuntu-18-04-3-lts/
[08:08] <gobs1> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me setup my swap device. I recently installed Ubuntu, and I managed to break the swap when following a tutorial to setup hibernation on ubuntu
[08:09] <gobs1> Now I'm a bit lost, since I don't really understand the disks / partitioning setup...
[08:13] <bryanroderyck> tony145, none of them mmethod are working for me
[08:24] <Linneris> Greetings!
[08:25] <Linneris> My Ubuntu 20.04.1 desktop installation auto-updated to kernel 5.8 and it completely broke my network. Not seeing any wired or wireless connections. Even ifconfig only showed the loopback interface.
[08:26] <Linneris> I booted into 5.4 and it works fine. What should I do now? I tried apt removing the 5.8 kernel image package, but it tries to install the unsigned 5.8 one instead.
[08:31] <guiverc> you could try `apt install linux-generic linux-generic-hwe-20.04-`
[08:31] <guiverc> Linneris, ^  sarnold provided that
[08:31] <bryanroderyck> m
[08:33] <Linneris> Something's not quite right... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fmMJfHstWK/
[08:34] <Linneris> How did that kernel even get installed
[08:34] <Linneris> Looks like it's missing linux-modules-extra and maybe that's why it has no network
[08:34] <guiverc> Linneris, okay sorry, I didn't expect that result (no focal system I have upgraded to 5.8 kernel, so I've not used a system that had that upgrade..)
[08:37] <Linneris> I'll try installng linux-generic-hwe-20.04, it offered me to install kernel 5.8.0-36 with all the dependencies, including linux-modules-extra
[08:39] <Linneris> But can't update the NVIDIA modules
[08:40] <Linneris> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k7FMw9RTyp/
[08:40] <Linneris> Meanwhile I have ii  linux-modules-nvidia-450-generic-hwe-20.04    5.8.0-34.37~20.04.2
[08:41] <Linneris> but 5.8.0-36 *just* got into updates
[08:41] <Linneris> *headdesk*
[08:48] <Linneris> Okay, I've completely removed all packages related to 5.8.0 kernels
[09:06] <bryanroderyck> hello
[09:08] <StarOnD> All my Ubuntu apps keep crashing. Eg. It asks if it should wait or force quit Firefox. Similar with other software. What should I do? I have Ubuntu 20.04
[09:09] <StarOnD> Any hints for me?
[09:12] <asdfgh> hello everybody, i am dealing with service (systemd) and /run/user/{uid}
[09:12] <asdfgh> basically i need to run a program with user privileges not...root for security reason of course
[09:12] <asdfgh> the problem is that /run/user/ is not writable from other users, except root, obviously
[09:13] <asdfgh> how can i create a .pid with user privileges there?
[09:16] <Linneris> StarOnD, it sounds like they're not crashing but freezing
[09:17] <Linneris> If it's all GUI apps, sounds like it's a problem with your graphics stack
[09:17] <Linneris> What GPU and graphics drivers do you use?
[09:18] <StarOnD> Can someone please help me ?
[09:19] <EriC^^> !ask | StarOnD
[09:19] <StarOnD> ubottu ok and many thanks
[09:19] <Linneris> StarOnD, reposting
[09:19] <Linneris> it sounds like they're not crashing but freezing
[09:19] <Linneris> If it's all GUI apps, sounds like it's a problem with your graphics stack
[09:19] <Linneris> What GPU and graphics drivers do you use?
[09:20] <StarOnD> Linneris I have hp pavilion laptop
[09:20] <StarOnD> yes ALL GUI apps are freezing
[09:21] <StarOnD> ( many thanks Linneris for the reply ) what should I be doing?
[09:21] <m2_teknix> While "Switching windows of the same app directly" with "Alt+~" - I sometimes get the window swicther(thumbnail previews) at center of the screen and sometimes the siwtch happens right at the window itself with the window being surrounded by a thick orange border. I DO NOT KNOW WHEN & HOW DOES A PARTICULAR MODE GETS TRIGGERRED?
[09:21] <Linneris> A quick Google tells me that different Pavilion laptops have different graphics cards
[09:21] <Linneris> Do you have an AMD or NVIDIA graphics card or an integrated one?
[09:22] <StarOnD> I have intel corei7 8th Gen HP Pavilion
[09:24] <StarOnD> How do I find out @ Linneris ?
[09:24] <Linneris> Does the terminal work, or does it also freeze?
[09:24] <StarOnD> it ALSO freezes sometimes
[09:25] <StarOnD> Chrome freezes as well
[09:26] <Linneris> If it only freezes sometimes, then I assume you should be able to paste the output of console commands here
[09:26] <Linneris> paste the output of this command here:
[09:26] <Linneris> lspci | grep VGA
[09:27] <StarOnD> ok thanks. please give me a second
[09:27] <StarOnD> The terminal will take some time to start ( apologies )
[09:28] <toymaker> Hi pple, anyone successfully tethered an iphone with iOS 14?
[09:28] <Linneris> No problem!
[09:30] <StarOnD> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07)
[09:30] <StarOnD> Linneris, above is the output of the command you asked for
[09:31] <Linneris> Aha, so integrated graphics, not a discrete card
[09:31] <StarOnD> ok, and the conclusion is ?
[09:34] <StarOnD> Linneris ?
[09:34] <Linneris> I don't know. I don't think it's the graphics driver, the integrated Intel one is usually rock solid.
[09:35] <Linneris> I fear I lack the expertise needed to solve your problem
[09:35] <StarOnD> ok Linneris
[09:36] <Linneris> You could try launching a freezing app, like Firefox, from the terminal to see if it outputs anything of note
[09:36] <Linneris> just type firefox in the terminal
[09:36] <StarOnD> ok
[09:36] <StarOnD> let me try that
[09:36] <gobs> !ask
[09:36] <StarOnD> I will try firefox &
[09:36] <gobs> (Apologies, was trying something out)
[09:42] <cjoke> is there anything else update-alternatives does than point a symbolic link to another version of a program? Or do I miss something ?
[09:44] <jyak42> Linux yellow belt 2 stripes (aka slightly better than a noob, but still noobish) ...
[09:44] <jyak42> I setup a(n) Ubuntu Server 20.04
[09:44] <jyak42> and can ssh into it
[09:45] <jyak42> with the dream of having a central repo for family pix/vids.
[09:45] <locsmif_work> Hi all. This morning Ubuntu (w/ KDE) failed to boot. It turns out it was just the greeter which never showed. I had access to the terminal. After enabling grub menu at boot and selecting an older kernel everything booted up fine. There was also a dist-upgrade in the pipeline. Running that shows nvidia kernel module compile error. Anybody else had this?
[09:46] <jyak42> I'm in the process of baking up from ext usb connected directly to server... but did drag/drop from tightvnc... but ssh won't stop w/ Ctrl-C on Windows. Is this normal?
[09:48] <jyak42> @locsmif_work, sorry too noob to know if I experienced that ( and also I'm an AMD fan. )
[09:48] <jyak42> ... I did have a Mint VM stop working that I never got to boot again, but moved on. Trying to learn Ubuntu Server.
[09:49] <cjoke> locsmif_work: well, depends, I had a lot of problems with nvidia and different kernels, if I where you I would look into dkms (a tool that helps you use nvidia with more than 1 kernel)
[09:49] <locsmif_work> jyak42: no worries, nice of you to reply. The nature of error was such that it almost had to be an error on the upstream side
[09:49] <locsmif_work> cjoke: already on it
[09:49] <locsmif_work> :)
[09:50] <locsmif_work> cjoke: what I'd like to know is where I can see the last compilation errors, I failed to store them
[09:51] <locsmif_work> But I recall the general gist, some API was called erroneously, vmalloc, I think
[09:51] <locsmif_work> I'm installing a newer nvidia driver now, so maybe this will all be redundant shortly
[09:52] <locsmif_work> Hmm, newer driver compiles without problems. Maybe it's just the kernel team intentionally changing the ABI [sic] again
[09:53] <cjoke> actually I did find a nice pythonscript that takes all kernels I have installed and make them run with nvidia in one go :)
[09:53] <cjoke> locsmif_work: what kernel and nvidia version are you using now ?
[09:53] <StarOnD> (firefox:6740): Gtk-WARNING **: 15:11:05.466: Error loading theme icon 'dialog-warning' for stock: Icon 'dialog-warning' not present in theme Yaru
[09:54] <locsmif_work> cjoke: but.. that's basically what dkms is supposed to do? :)
[09:54] <StarOnD> Linneris Does  that mean anything to you ?
[09:54] <locsmif_work> (Python is my favourite programming language to work in, don't get me wrong)
[09:55] <locsmif_work> StarOnD: that means little unless it's relevant to your problem. Is your problem missing icons?
[09:55] <cjoke> locsmif_work: yes, but not 4 kernelversions in 1 command.
[09:55] <cjoke> Im a noob pythonentusiast :)
[09:55] <StarOnD> My problem is freezing apps
[09:55] <locsmif_work> cjoke: dkms autoinstall --all  should work for all kernels?
[09:56] <locsmif_work> afaict
[09:56] <locsmif_work> StarOnD: freezing apps? Are you on mobile?
[09:56] <locsmif_work> If not, you'll have to be more specific
[09:56] <locsmif_work> cjoke: keep going with Python, it's all worth it
[09:56] <StarOnD> I am on a laptop. Since the last 1 week my Ubuntu 20.04 has been freezing
[09:57] <locsmif_work> StarOnD: running any non-free software / kernel modules? WiFi/Audio/GFX?
[09:57] <StarOnD> nope @ locsmif_work
[09:58] <StarOnD> just usual work on my laptop
[09:58] <locsmif_work> You may want to look at the output of dmesg or post it to a pastebin such as paste.debian.net (no syntax highlighting) and then post a link here
[09:58] <locsmif_work> That error is Firefox-specific and unfortunately completely irrelevant
[09:59] <locsmif_work> It's just missing an icon in some theme, that wouldn't make your system freeze
[09:59] <locsmif_work> Also check if it's overheating
[09:59] <cjoke> locsmif_work: lol, Ill try dkms autoinstall --all  with the laste stable kernel after compiled. I didnt get dkms to work earlier , thats why I did find the pythonscript :)
[10:00] <cjoke> locsmif_work: I did try with the 5.11-rc2 but had problems with kernelsource and headers. So im a little more careful now and go for the 5.10.5 stable :->
[10:00] <asdfgh> how can i check the list of services that start at the beginning?
[10:00] <asdfgh> i need to insert mine too
[10:03] <Linneris> StarOnD, so it started in the last week, and before that, your Ubuntu system was running fine?
[10:03] <locsmif_work> cjoke: without knowing for sure, I *can* say that you have to carefully watch if the nvidia kernel module and the kernel itself don't get too far out of sync with each other, because the kernel team, Torvalds most of all, don't like non-free kernel modules, and keep reminding such projects that the Application Binary Interface (ABI) will change without notice, breaking everything unless your project
[10:03] <locsmif_work> provides sources rather than binary blobs.
[10:05] <StarOnD> yes
[10:05] <locsmif_work> gotta reboot, bbiab
[10:05] <jyak42> #ubuntu-server seems ... stale. is it still alive?
[10:06] <guiverc> yes jyak42 it's still active.
[10:07] <jyak42> @guiverc, when do they wake up? what's the best time to bug 'em?
[10:08] <guiverc> I can't provide a helpful answer sorry
[10:09] <jyak42> @guiverc, ha! no worries.
[10:09] <jyak42> anybody can give me a little hope about ssh?
[10:10] <jyak42> I should have learned and used rsync, but yeah, live and learn.
[10:10] <Linneris> StarOnD, just guessing wildly, it might have been a kernel update
[10:11] <jyak42> I'm afraid that when my client goes to sleep the copy will stop. I'd prefer to put my laptop in hibernate before going to bed.
[10:11] <Linneris> Can you post the output of uname -r?
[10:12] <guiverc> jyak42, servers don't go to sleep generally; however desktops do.  if you've `ssh`'d into a server, it should keep operating (power save functions don't exist on servers; being built instead for performance)
[10:12] <StarOnD> uname -r5.4.0-52-generic
[10:12] <StarOnD> Linneris, does that help ?
[10:14] <jyak42> @guiverc, I mostly follow... already got lectured for not buying server hw ( but it was cheap ) but appears to stay up, but if I logoff the server will the copy still continue?
[10:17] <jyak42> (I'm assuming having the client go to sleep will auto-logoff from the server)
[10:17] <dbugger> Hello fellas
[10:17] <StarOnD> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/PsYVTQVMMZ/
[10:18] <StarOnD> My dmesg is above
[10:19] <yossarianuk> hi - i am trying to use either tmux or screen to start a session, then logout (via SSH) and re able to reconnect later
[10:19] <yossarianuk> however, when i logout of ssh I lose the session
[10:20] <yossarianuk> how can I use screen (or tmux) to reconnect to a session after logging out/back-in to ssh
[10:20] <yossarianuk> (pretty sure it works as expected on rhel/centos systems)
[10:20] <StarOnD>  File /var/log/journal/cbe5d9fc05b04a04ba214a0cfb644c51/user-1000.journal corrupted or uncleanly shut down, renaming and replacing.
[10:20] <StarOnD> I can spot that in the dmesg
[10:22] <yossarianuk> i.e - i can detach and re-attach to screen session fine - until I logout of ssh
[10:23] <yossarianuk> when i re-login to ssh i cannot reattach (and there is no screen/SCREEN pid)
[10:24] <StarOnD> ?
[10:28] <StarOnD> can someone please look at the dmesg above in the pastebin and help me ?
[10:31] <Linneris> StarOnD, it's likely the kernel isn't the culprit, then. Kernel 5.4.0-52 is from November.
[10:32] <StarOnD> ok thanks Linneris
[10:32] <Linneris> It does seem that you haven't installed latest system updates, though. Perhaps try that?
[10:32] <StarOnD> I DID DO apt get update and upgrade
[10:32] <Linneris> Ah, hmm
[10:32] <Seven_Six_Two> do you have nvidia card?
[10:32] <StarOnD> I have intel card I think
[10:33] <Linneris> They have integrated Intel graphics
[10:33] <Linneris> [16:30] <StarOnD> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07)
[10:35] <Linneris> StarOnD, could you do dpkg -l|grep linux-image
[10:35] <StarOnD>  dpkg -l | grep linux-imagerc  linux-image-5.0.0-23-generic               5.0.0-23.24~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-27-generic               5.0.0-27.28~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-29-generic               5.0.0-29.31~18.04.1
[10:35] <StarOnD> amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-31-generic               5.0.0-31.33~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-32-generic               5.0.0-32.34~18.04.2                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-35-generic
[10:35] <StarOnD> 5.0.0-35.38~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-36-generic               5.0.0-36.39~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc  linux-image-5.0.0-37-generic               5.0.0-37.40~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericrc
[10:35] <StarOnD> linux-image-5.3.0-26-generic               5.3.0-26.28~18.04.1                   amd64        Signed kernel image genericii  linux-image-5.4.0-42-generic               5.4.0-42.46                           amd64        Signed kernel image genericii  linux-image-5.4.0-52-generic               5.4.0-52.57                           amd64        Signed
[10:35] <StarOnD> kernel image genericii  linux-image-generic                        <IP_ADDRESS>.55                           amd64        Generic Linux kernel image
[10:36] <bryanroderyck> hello
[10:36] <StarOnD> hi byran
[10:37] <yossarianuk> StarOnD: have you tried a 'sudo apt full-upgrade' ?
[10:37] <StarOnD> yossarianuk should I do that ?
[10:37] <StarOnD> no I have not tried that . what exactly does it do ?
[10:37] <Linneris> StarOnD, it looks like you don't have latest updates installed then, as the latest kernel in focal is 5.4.0-60-generic
[10:37] <Linneris> and before that there were -59 and -58
[10:38] <juliandroske> There's no modules?
[10:39] <bryanroderyck> hi StarOnD
[10:39] <Linneris> I only asked for linux-image output, so no modules in the output, no
[10:40] <yossarianuk> StarOnD: yes , just running 'apt upgrade' (or apt-get upgrade you will be missing updates
[10:40] <yossarianuk> try it and see what packages it wants to instal
[10:40] <StarOnD> ok
[10:40] <dbugger> My Wifi card is playing monkey tricks with the drivers again. The whole Broadcom driver. I am trying to install it, but I get an error when I try to install bcmwl-kernel-source. Can someone please help me solve this?
[10:40] <StarOnD> hello bryan
[10:40] <dbugger> https://pastebin.com/eH4pFETv
[10:42] <bryanroderyck> StarOnD, im a bit stuck with my wifi driver not working maybe after an update
[10:42] <StarOnD> ok I am doing full-upgrade
[10:43] <StarOnD> bryan, I am a person who is seeking help. I am not an expert
[10:43] <bryanroderyck> :)
[10:43] <StarOnD> :)
[10:43] <StarOnD> ;)
[10:44] <ice9> how the kernel livepatch works without rebooting?
[10:46] <cbreak> maybe by loading kernel modules that replace parts of the kernel?
[10:50] <yossarianuk> btw : I found a solution to stop screen/tmux stopping on ssh logout
[10:50] <yossarianuk>  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/490267/prevent-logoff-from-killing-tmux-session
[10:54] <yossarianuk> # systemd-run --scope --user tmux  = solution
[11:24] <tjarlama> hi, i'm seeing "mce: CPU0: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled" on my dmesg output followed by "mce: CPU0: Package temperature/speed normal". Sometimes it happens every 5 mins for about 30mins and almost every 2 hours for most the time. Is this normal or something i need to be worried about?
[11:33] <cbreak> what are the temperatures?
[11:33] <cbreak> maybe your computer's cooling sucks
[11:35] <alexa> I try to start multiple conky scripts via terminal. It works. Then I write a bash script to do the same, it works but only when I run it with mouse, old fashioned way. When I run the script from the terminal, it doesn't work, not it displays any info, no errors, just blank.
[11:35] <alexa> Why does it make any difference=
[11:36] <alexa> ? And also, the think about conky is that I need to run it with & at the end, cause it should stick.
[11:41] <cjoke> why does my tty print text so gadamn slow?
[11:44] <bryanroderyck> hello
[11:45] <tjarlama> @cbreak it's below 50-60 most of the times. I rarely see it goes above 80
[11:46] <tjarlama> @cbreak it's below 50-60 most of the times. I rarely see it goes above 80
[13:01] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[13:01] <thyriaen> Hiho, i am using Ubuntu 20.04 with gnome on 2 monitors - i would like to configure that the file browser popup, which gets triggered by different programs ( when i need to choose a file, or choose a download location - that sort of thing ) always gets displayed on my main monitor and not on the monitor where the originating program was located on - how can i do that ?
[13:06] <StarOnD> Hello everyone, I just wanted to thank all those who helped me. I did sudo apt-get full-upgrade and my apps are NOT freezing anymore
[13:07] <Rum> Congratz :)
[13:08]  * Rum wishes BluesKaj a good morning
[13:08] <BluesKaj> 'morning Rum
[13:12] <EriC^^> thyriaen: devilspie might be able to do it
[13:12] <thyriaen> EriC^^, is that some sort of program ?
[13:13] <EriC^^> yes
[13:13] <EriC^^> !info devilspie
[13:13] <thyriaen> ty
[13:13] <EriC^^> np
[13:16] <EriC^^> thyriaen: if devilspie doesn't cut it, this looks like it could do https://askubuntu.com/questions/613973/how-can-i-start-up-an-application-with-a-pre-defined-window-size-and-position
[13:19] <EriC^^> thyriaen: also there's the package 'gdevilspie' and 'devilspie2' after reading their description it does mention window position and workspace
[13:20] <thyriaen> EriC^^, sounds great i'll look into it
[13:43] <Voltum> can you guys remove the ads from ubuntu? laat time i used it, it had amazon store search results in global search menu, and also trackers
[13:43] <Voltum> this goes against FOSS spirit
[13:43] <Voltum> i might as well use mac os x or windows
[13:44] <Maik> there are no ads in ubuntu and the amazon store is gone for a long time now
[13:44] <thyriaen> Voltum, what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[13:45] <Voltum> i am downloading 20.04 now
[13:45] <Voltum> to see the current state
[13:45] <Maik> Voltum: that wasn't the answer to the question
[13:46] <Maik> so, which version are you using now?
[13:46] <Voltum> now i am on debian.
[13:46] <Voltum> but on my other machine, groovy gorilla
[13:48] <Maik> Then you should have known that Groovy doesn't ship the Amazoin store anymore. I can't take your complaint seriously.
[13:52] <wonko> So, 20.04 was freezing from time to time. (ryzen CPU) and google results suggested 20.10. No system level freezing yet (not that it happened often) but now apps will freeze. They eventually recover, but it's super annoying. Any idea how to best debug this?
[13:52] <cousteau> Hi!  How can I sign a PDF?  (as in, add a signature without printing it, signing it with a pen, and then scanning it)
[13:52] <cousteau> My printer is out of ink
[13:52] <cousteau> Does Adobe provide any tool for this that can be installed in Linux?  I see that they provide an online service for this
[13:53] <cousteau> (...and if there's an alternative to Adobe products, then that'll be better)
[13:53] <wonko> I believe LibreOffice can do it
[13:53] <wonko> oh wait, no, different signing. :)
[13:54] <Maik> Voltum: Someone told me you've been here before ranting about the ads thing it seems. If you only come here with that purpose you're in the wrong place.
[13:54] <cousteau> yeah I meant analog signature, not digital signature :)
[13:55] <wonko> yeah, that's a crytographic signature, so not even close to the same thing
[13:55] <wonko> looks like maybe Xournal should work?
[13:55] <wonko> I'm going to look at that as well as I'm sure I'll need to do that one day now that I'm back on linux full time
[13:57] <cousteau> StackOverflow seems to suggest Xournal, but I didn't know if there were any other recommended tools
[13:57] <cousteau> (I guess Evince can't do that, right?)
[14:01] <wonko> Yeah, Evince can't do that
[14:08] <wonko> Slack is definitely the worst offender in the freezing app issue. Which makes work hard when I'm trying to talk to people.
[14:15] <TJ-> cousteau: possibly inkscape
[14:15] <TJ-> wonko: have you analysed logs for clues?
[14:16] <cousteau> Inkscape works for single page documents
[14:16] <cousteau> but it's not an ideal solution.  Although it can be a good workaround.  I've used it before.
[14:16] <cousteau> (for this purpose)
[14:16] <TJ-> wonko: system-level "journalctl -b -0" or user session "journalctl --user -b 0"
[14:16] <TJ-> cousteau: I use Master PDF but it isn't in the archives now
[14:17] <cousteau> oh :(
[14:19] <TJ-> cousteau: there's a roundabout way to do it, which you could shell-script. create a temp directory, split the PDF into separate pages, load the page you want to edit into inkscape, edit, save, then recombine the master PDF from the pages
[14:19] <TJ-> cousteau: pdfseperate > inkscape > pdfunite
[14:20] <TJ-> pdfseparate even!
[14:20] <cousteau> ugh... that's too hacky even for me! :)
[14:25] <TJ-> cousteau: it's quite fast!
[14:25] <TJ-> you'd have done it on the time you've spent asking :D
[14:25] <wonko> What? Not hacky enough! Needs awk! 🤣
[14:26] <wonko> TJ-: I'll check that out when I sit back down at my computer. Thanks!
[14:47] <wonko> It appears to be related to notifications
[14:49] <wonko> the apps freeze when they try to send notifications: https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/54c23c10c2f7b3eb4fdc59ca04de0b6e
[14:50] <blscoe> hi, I'm using ubuntu 20.04, and yesterday I did a software upgrade, as suggested by the system, but now, 'apt-get upgrade' shows some nvidia packages as 'kept-back', 'apt-get dist-upgrade' proposes nvidia updates and new package installations, yet the software updater says everything is up to date
[14:50] <blscoe> furthermore, the additional software dialog says my nvidia driver is "manually installed" and doesn't allow me to switch to another version
[14:50] <blscoe> can somebody help, please?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> blscoe, everything is up to date until the held packages are ready to fully upgrade...it shouldn't be too long
[15:01] <wonko> hmm, it looks like maybe xfce4-notifyd isn't starting or something? the package is installed but I don't see it running. I'm assuming it needs to be?
[15:02] <blscoe> BluesKaj: you mean I should do nothing until Ubuntu pushes a new upgrade or something like that?
[15:03] <EriC^^> blscoe: if you want to upgrade it you could do apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:03] <BluesKaj> blscoe, exactly. best to be safe
[15:03] <blscoe> ok, thanks
[15:04] <blscoe> EriC^^: I didn't specifically want to upgrade, but seeing that, and that my current nvidia driver was marked as "manually installed", I thought my system just got messed up or something
[15:04] <BluesKaj> or you could be adventurous and do what EriC^^ suggests :-)
[15:04] <blscoe> but it I just can wait some days and it will be sorted out, no problem
[15:06] <EriC^^> blscoe: usually when packages are held back it's cause apt upgrade can only update packages and cant install additional ones to fulfill dependencies, for that you need apt full-upgrade
[15:06] <EriC^^> ah my bad, actually apt upgrade can install new ones, but not remove any to fulfill dependencies, just saw "man apt"
[15:08] <EriC^^> blscoe: is it saying that some package will be removed when you run apt-get dist-upgrade ? (and not hit y to continue)
[15:08] <blscoe> apt-get upgrade --> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
[15:08] <blscoe> apt-get dist-upgrade --> 22 upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:09] <p0a> Hello, what is the difference between `calibre' and `calibre-bin'?
[15:09] <p0a> they have the same short description and I am not sure how `apt' can be used to find more information
[15:09] <blscoe> the "upgraded" packages are nvidia packages ending in -455, and the "newly installed" are the same packages ending in -460
[15:09] <p0a> nevermind, `apt show calibre' is what to use
[15:10] <EriC^^> blscoe: ah, that doesnt look too good
[15:11] <blscoe> I'm currently using nvidia driver 455, didn't switch to 460 myself
[15:12] <wonko> I don't even see 460 as availably on my 20.10 system
[15:12] <blscoe> maybe this is related to the new 5.8 kernel which was pushed recently for this release, because some other packages like virtualbox also stopped working
[15:12] <wonko> availible, even. :)
[15:13] <egrain> i have this kernel: [drm:intel_gt_verify_workarounds [i915]] *ERROR* GT workaround lost on init! (e184=0/0, expected 2000200)    firefox and so on starts very slowly and then doesn't move anymore. top and free says everything should be working.
[15:14] <EriC^^> blscoe: what does 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade | nc termbin.com 9999' give you? it's just a simulation, you dont even need to use sudo
[15:16] <WaV> I just did an upgrade myself on 18.04 in which several nvidia packages appeared to be going through a "de-configure" process
[15:17] <blscoe> wonko: it's strange, i don't even have additional repositories other than the official one
[15:17] <blscoe> EriC^^: here you are -> https://termbin.com/n74o
[15:17] <WaV> I don't recall the version numbers though.
[15:18] <EriC^^> !info xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-460 focal
[15:19] <EriC^^> blscoe: type 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-460 | nc termbin.com 9999'
[15:19] <EriC^^> actually nevermind, i think it mentions below its from focal-updates
[15:20] <blscoe> EriC^^: I already ran it, it's here: https://termbin.com/uwbb7
[15:21] <EriC^^> blscoe: i wonder why it wants to install the nvidia-460 ones, also it seems like it wants to get rid of the 455 as no longer needed
[15:23] <wonko> Why won't notifications work on 20.10. Is anyone else having that problem? After upgrading from 20.04. Ubuntu Studio if that matters.
[15:23] <EriC^^> blscoe: odd, maybe it's just the repos/update messing up for now, better wait as suggested i guess, just dont run any 'apt-get autoremove' commands for now so it doesnt remove the 455 nvidia
[15:25] <wonko> Ok, so notification settings hangs trying to talk to dbus so this is easily reproducible/testable for me, so that's something. :)
[15:25] <EriC^^> blscoe: does 'grep 460 /var/log/apt/history.log' show anything interesting regarding the nvidia 460?
[15:25] <blscoe> EriC^^: maybe it's because, since yesterday's upgrade, the "additional driver" tab from the "Software & upgrades" utility only lists version 460 as "proprietary, tested" while all the other versions 450, 440... are listed only as "proprietary" but no longer "tested"
[15:26] <EriC^^> aha
[15:26] <blscoe> no references found to 460 in /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:27] <blscoe> also, apt-get autoremove by itself doesn't even attempt to remove anything
[15:29] <EriC^^> aha, for me running apt-cache rdepends nvidia-384 gives these https://termbin.com/8byr  (those are the packages that depend on it and pull it in)
[15:29] <wonko> Here's a thought, am I maybe missing a package that got overlooked during the upgrade?
[15:32] <blscoe> EriC^^: in my case, there is no 'nvidia-460' package I can run that for, but 'apt-cache rdepends nvidia-driver-460' shows 'nvidia-driver-455' and 'nvidia-utils-460' as its 'Reverse depends'
[15:34] <wonko> installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies and that didn't help. Bah.
[15:34] <EriC^^> blscoe: ah, i guess that's pulling it in then
[15:36] <wonko> GOT IT
[15:36] <wonko> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1124765/xfce4-notifyd-service-is-not-starting-how-to-troubleshoot
[15:36] <wonko> plasma-workspace was screwing it all up
[15:38] <EriC^^> blscoe: given mine and your output i guess it's normal behavior, up to you whether you want to bite the bullet or not i guess
[15:39] <blscoe> EriC^^: as everything seems to be working in relation to my graphics drivers, I guess the safest option would be to wait until this gets sorted out in the repos, and then, switch to the newly "tested" 460 driver... when Ubuntu gives me the option to do that
[15:42] <EriC^^> blscoe: sounds good
[15:45] <blscoe> by the way, due to a bug between kernel 5.8 and virtualbox, virtualbox-dkms can no longer be built, but: how can I find the reason 'apt-get -s autoremove virtualbox-dkms' tries to pull all those new packages? https://termbin.com/dtbq4
[15:54] <imissedit> Can someone help me with some general firewall stuff?
[15:54] <pasiz> blscoe: try removing virtualbox metapackage
[15:54] <pasiz> not virtualbox dkms
[15:55] <pasiz> imissedit: yes, are you building a stove
[15:55] <imissedit> I've set up UFW to default deny all incoming and outgoing but I'm still seeing connection attempts from bots over random ports
[15:55] <imissedit> @pasiz I do like pizza
[15:55] <pasiz> imissedit: behind your firewall
[15:55] <egrain> kernel: [drm:intel_gt_verify_workarounds [i915]] *ERROR* GT workaround lost on init! (e184=0/0, expected 2000200) tried the older kernel 5.8.0-34 same thing. i can't do anything in X.
[15:56] <imissedit> @pasiz what do you mean behind?  This is a virtual machine spun up on upcloud with a static IP facing the internet... I don't think this is coming from the private network
[15:57] <pasiz> imissedit: so you run ufw in same machine you are hosting some services
[15:57] <imissedit> yes
[15:57] <pasiz> so there is your problem
[15:57] <imissedit> I'm running apache and ssh thats all
[15:58] <imissedit> What do you mean?
[15:58] <lordcirth> imissedit, what is logging these connection attempts? Is it the kernel firewall? You may just need to turn verbosity down in ufw
[15:58] <imissedit> Sorry, I'm new :X
[15:58] <imissedit> its /var/log/auth.log
[15:59] <pasiz> how you would connect to ssh if the port is not open?
[15:59] <imissedit> I'm seeing a lot of "Failed password for root from <IP_ADDRESS> port 49508 ssh2"
[15:59] <pasiz> yes
[15:59] <pasiz> and to login yourself to ssh
[15:59] <pasiz> you need to open the port
[15:59] <pasiz> thus exposing it to all other world
[15:59] <imissedit> Well I do have :80 and :22 open but I've ip restricted the :22 port
[16:00] <pasiz> so use denyhost to prevent login accounts
[16:00] <pasiz> imissedit: on ufw?
[16:00] <cbreak> disable password authentication via ssh, then you no longer have to worry
[16:00] <imissedit> Yes
[16:00] <imissedit> @cbreak how are they opening connections on random ports to try and authenticate?  I thought UFW would drop the connection attempt before that exchange could happen
[16:01] <cbreak> they probably try port 22
[16:01] <pasiz> and ssh wont log other ports
[16:01] <imissedit> @cbreak but I've IP restriced port 22 with ufw
[16:01] <cbreak> apparently not
[16:02] <imissedit> hmm.. maybe its because of openssh limit anywhere
[16:02] <imissedit> I forgot I put a rate limiter on there. duur I bet thats it
[16:02] <cbreak> if you had firewalled that port, then ssh wouldn't even receive a TCP packet
[16:02] <imissedit> that's what I thought.  I bet I dun goofed and its the OpenSSH rule
[16:02] <lordcirth> imissedit, I think that line means they are connecting to your port 22 from source port 49508
[16:03] <imissedit> lordcirth ooooh! that makes sense
[16:03] <lordcirth> imissedit, also consider fail2ban rather than, or in addition to, IP white/blacklists
[16:03] <cbreak> consider giving up on passwords...
[16:03] <egrain> never mind. i'll try mint then. thanks anyway.
[16:04] <imissedit> cbreak.. I'm getting there.. are you talking about using rsa keys
[16:04] <lordcirth> imissedit, keys in general. I would recommend ed25519
[16:04] <cbreak> sure... or ECDSA
[16:04] <ValidSaintNick> Hi, so I’m in an Airbnb for a few days. The wifi here works on multiple devices, but not for my laptop . I’ve tried connecting to it as a hidden network, running nmcli d wifi list and running iwlist scan. The network simply refuses to show up
[16:04] <imissedit> lordcirth, thanks I was actually going to implement that.. because I was seeing this in the logs but I was wondering why the hell they were even being able to attempt it.
[16:05] <imissedit> I removed the OpenSSH limit rule and that seems to have stopped the bot
[16:05] <ValidSaintNick> I’ve also tried creating a wpa supplicant file, no beans
[16:05] <lordcirth> ah, your ratelimit rule overrode your ip ban? fun
[16:05] <lordcirth> ValidSaintNick, is it 2.4Ghz, 5Ghz, or both?
[16:06] <imissedit> yes it was hitting that first and then allowing.  derped it
[16:06] <lordcirth> Does your laptop support both?
[16:06] <ValidSaintNick> It seems to be both, according to the router
[16:06] <ValidSaintNick> My laptop supports both but usually heavily prefers 2ghz
[16:07] <imissedit> Thanks @lordcirth @cbreak.  Will research ed25519
[16:07] <lordcirth> imissedit, ssh-keygen -t ed25519
[16:07] <cbreak> yubikeys ftw :D
[16:08] <imissedit> yubikeys eh
[16:08] <imissedit> I'll lose that in a heartbeat lol
[16:09] <imissedit> ahh my auth.log is so nice and quiet now :')
[16:13] <ValidSaintNick> https://ibb.co/8mk2gBW
[16:13] <ValidSaintNick> https://ibb.co/BfQ7V4x
[16:14] <ValidSaintNick> Pic of router and pic of wifi list
[16:14] <ValidSaintNick> Looking for a network called “The Yellow Door”
[16:15] <lordcirth> ValidSaintNick, any errors in dmesg?
[16:15] <ValidSaintNick> (The router also supports 2.4, it was just blinking)
[16:16] <ValidSaintNick> Irq 18: nobody cared and I’ll take a pic of the second one since I can’t easily copy paste from laptop to phone phone
[16:18] <ValidSaintNick> https://ibb.co/sQ1hqPD
[16:18] <ValidSaintNick> Second error msg
[16:19] <ValidSaintNick> Update, it’s also not working on my friends ps4. There’s 3 ps4s in the house and it works on the other 2
[16:20] <ValidSaintNick> Beginning to think it may be with the router, but like there’s no reason I shouldn’t be able to see it at all
[16:21] <ValidSaintNick> (He connected using the wps button, is there anyway I can do that)
[16:27] <ValidSaintNick> Nvm, I found out. I’m now connected to a different ssid but no internet
[16:33] <aldcor> hi! I can't update. Here are details https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/kt5vaz/cant_update/?
[16:35] <dkdns> i have updated to 20.10, and the audio broke
[16:36] <dkdns> only root can use alsa, and pulseaudio doesn't see it
[16:36] <lordcirth> aldcor, "apt update && apt full-upgrade" on the command line and pastebin
[16:36] <lordcirth> !paste | aldcor
[16:52] <jwash> hi everyone somewhere in my libreoffice install there is a file which has a reference to "d.adsrc". how would i go about finding it?
[16:55] <lordcirth> jwash, somewhere in the libreoffice package, you need to find a file containing the string "d.adsrc"?
[16:58] <jwash> lordcirth: in the installed files
[16:59] <jwash> doing this now: grep -rnw '/' -e '.adsrc'
[16:59] <jwash> but will likely take forever
[17:00] <lordcirth> jwash, depending on your drive. If it's an SSD, it might not take too long.
[17:27] <dkdns> i have updated to 20.10, and the audio broke
[17:35] <oerheks> dkdns, " pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload " should fix it
[17:36] <oerheks> if not, reinstall: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base pulseaudio && sudo alsa force-reload #  and reboot
[17:54] <FreeBDSM> hi, could someone help me figure out why apt fails to update docker-ce?
[17:54] <FreeBDSM> `sudo apt upgrade` lists stuff to upgrade and lists docker-ce under `The following packages have been kept back`
[17:55] <FreeBDSM> yet `sudo apt update` shows `docker-ce/bionic 5:20.10.2~3-0~ubuntu-bionic amd64 [upgradable from: 5:19.03.13~3-0~ubuntu-bionic]`
[17:55] <oerheks> base, i guess.
[17:55] <FreeBDSM> oerheks: could you expand? I don't get what you mean.
[17:56] <FreeBDSM> oh https://askubuntu.com/questions/601/the-following-packages-have-been-kept-back-why-and-how-do-i-solve-it
[17:57] <oerheks> free package held back? update properly; sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # and rboot, then try again
[17:57] <oerheks> i always run full-upgrade, no surprises
[17:58] <hi^-^> why there is no amarok in the 20.04  repos?
[17:58] <FreeBDSM> I never even knew of 'full-upgrade' always did just 'upgrade'
[17:59] <FreeBDSM> I am worried that full-upgrade or something might screw my ubuntu by updating 18.04 (it is working okay) to 20.04 (this version is a failure, definitely not of LTS-quality, too many things are broken)
[17:59] <oerheks> hi^-^, Amarok was a Qt 4 application and for that reason it was removed from Ubuntu.
[17:59] <oerheks> like all QT4 apps
[17:59] <oerheks> * and debian
[18:00] <oerheks> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2419274
[18:01] <FreeBDSM> did the same thing happen to ubuntu earlier? I only was around 16.04 > 18.04 I think and almost nothing got broken
[18:02] <dkdns> oerheks your command worked until reboot, but now it doesn; t work anymore
[18:03] <oerheks> i read a lot of issues withe 20.10/sound
[18:03] <oerheks> file a bugreport?
[18:03] <oerheks> !bug
[18:05] <hi^-^> oerheks: its wikipedia feature and lyrics finding capablities were so good, is there anything like that?
[18:06] <oerheks> hi^-^, i run gnome/clementine, good for lyrics/album art too, but it handles large collections pretty neat
[18:06] <hi^-^> i remember once playing one obscure song with no descriptive metadata or filename and it yet managed to find a relevant wikipedia page
[18:06] <oerheks> and gives an equaliser*
[18:07] <oerheks> oh, there are sites that can help with detection of the song
[18:08] <hi^-^> oerheks: automatically finding lyrics is my primary reason for using graphical music players instead of mocp.
[18:10] <FreeBDSM> I did `sudo apt install nvidia-driver-460` and got `E: unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages`
[18:10] <FreeBDSM> and it listed some depends + recommends
[18:10] <hi^-^> once i went around gathering lyrics in text files but you have to open an editor to read each one, and i never found out how does that lyrics feature in mocp works
[18:10] <dkdns> clementine is not compatible with nas'es
[18:11] <hi^-^> (think in language-learning context)
[18:58] <frib> Could someone please help me figure out why ubuntu 20.0 has started to hang for 1+ minute at loading screen when starting up?
[18:58] <zutat> frib: run "systemd-analyze blame" in a terminal
[18:58] <frib> Here is the output of systemd-analyze critical-chain: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fPMxnttqry/
[18:59] <frib> Her is the output of systemd-analyze blame: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9jvZh2s4Md/
[19:00] <zutat> frib: did it actually hang for a minute on this boot?
[19:00] <blaster> Hey guys I had a network share that would automatically mount on boot, but it stopped working and I can't seem to find where the configuration for it was. I checked /etc/fstab and nothing was there.
[19:00] <lordcirth> frib, ah, hi again. It is very strange that backlight -> sysinit took 1m30s but doesn't show a +
[19:00] <blaster> I was sure it was a samba share, as both machines are ubuntu.
[19:04] <frib> zutat, sorry there is another problem with my ubuntu installation where wifi randomly gets turned off
[19:04] <frib> it's extremely frustrating
[19:04] <frib> about the hang time, yes I actualy timed it and it is over 1 minute
[19:04] <frib> probably about 1:20-1:30
[19:05] <lordcirth> frib 1m30s is an interesting number, because systemd uses that for a lot of timeouts
[19:06] <lordcirth> frib, does journalctl -b show anything interesting during that timeframe?
[19:06] <frib> i thought about using ctrl alt f1 or something during boot up to see what its actually trying to do but it didn't work
[19:07] <frib> lordcirth, interesting like what? there's a lot of info there
[19:08] <lordcirth> frib, well, there should be a 1m30s gap in times. And at the beginning and end of that, perhaps something useful?
[19:09] <frib> I don't remember exactly what time I booted at
[19:09] <frib> maybe this?
[19:09] <frib> Jan 08 14:00:17 glicina systemd[1]: NetworkManager-dispatcher.service: Succeeded.
[19:09] <frib> Jan 08 14:02:03 glicina PackageKit[1140]: daemon quit
[19:09] <lordcirth> frib, -b will start the file at boot.
[19:10] <lordcirth> so it should be in the first few pages
[19:10] <frib> Jan 08 14:03:22 glicina NetworkManager[694]: <info>  [1610132602.5349] manager: rfkill: Wi-Fi hardware radio set enabled
[19:10] <frib> @ Jan 08 14:03:22
[19:10] <frib> so there's a span of 2-3 minutes
[19:10] <lordcirth> frib, you can just pastebin it all if there's nothing private
[19:11] <frib> what i just pasted is not relevant? theres a big gap there
[19:11] <lordcirth> frib, seeing it context would be easier
[19:11] <lordcirth> *in
[19:11] <frib> I don't know if there is private info but I'll paste this section
[19:12] <frib> btw, the times are not entirely in order
[19:12] <frib> so this kinda doesn't make sense
[19:12] <wonko> Hmm, my whisker start menu button has gone missing. It's just the "image can't be found" thing now.
[19:12] <wonko> This upgrade to 20.10 hasn't been super clean. :(
[19:14] <lordcirth> frib, that is odd
[19:14] <frib> yeah
[19:15] <frib> so what should I do?
[19:15] <lordcirth> frib, you were going to pastebin?
[19:17] <frib> ill reboot first
[19:17] <lordcirth> sure
[19:17] <frib> that way I have less data to check for private info
[19:24] <frib> lordcirth, I think  I found the problem, rebooting
[19:25] <frib> lordcirth, the issue was that I deleted my swap partition and created a different one but I hadn't updated the UUID in fstab so it couldn't find it
[19:30] <lordcirth> frib, ahah, and thus the 1m30s timeout. Makes sense!
[19:46] <davidjsullivan8> Hello All,  Very new to Ubuntu here.  Running 20.04.1 LTS.  Livepatch pushed OS update 5.8.0-34 to my machine.  Updated and then started to receive a bunch of error messages and it shut down my WIFI.  I found the previous kernel in Grub and booted to it.  Then followed web troubleshooting to remove the new update but it failed.  Now I have to use
[19:46] <davidjsullivan8> advanced options to swap the kernel, which adds time to my boot process.  May I please get some advice on how to manage this issue beyond a work around?  Thanks much for reviewing.
[19:53] <lordcirth> davidjsullivan8, 5.8 on 20.04 would be the "linux-generic-hwe-20.04" package. I would make sure that "linux-generic" (5.4) is installed, then remove hwe
[19:53] <lordcirth> I'm not familiar with Livepatch, not sure if it will try to reinstall hwe
[19:53] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4678-1
[20:05] <Teryn> Hello all. Using a Raspberry Pi 4 with Ubuntu Server 20.04. Came from RasPiOS, so not sure how to increase the swap (swapfile?) size. Do I use dphys-swapfile commands as before, or something different?
[20:06] <oerheks> !swap
[20:06] <Teryn> Thanks. :)
[20:06] <oerheks> depends if you have a swp file or swap partition..
[20:07] <Teryn> Pretty much, but I'm a bit noobish, so don't know some basics while having some in-depth knowledge. ^.^;
[20:07] <oerheks> swapon -s
[20:08] <oerheks> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[20:08] <oerheks> i see /swapfile                              	file    	2097148	997632	-2
[20:09] <tgarder> Anyone got experience adding custom keyboard layouts? It looks good here for me, no cache to clear and tried dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data but I just can't get my layout to show (logged in/out of course)
[20:10] <Teryn> oerheks, there's no output at all with swapon -s, does that mean it's using a swapfile?
[20:10] <tgarder> the syntax looks good, but is there any way to validate layouts to make sure? (usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols)
[20:13] <{mikey}> hi
[20:14] <{mikey}> I'm having problems with my mum's laptop that I have set up 20.04
[20:14] <{mikey}> the wifi disapeared after an update
[20:15] <sarnold> {mikey}: that might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1910555
[20:15] <{mikey}> it has broadcom drivers
[20:15] <{mikey}> ubottu, yest
[20:15] <{mikey}> yes
[20:15] <{mikey}> ubottu,  are you a bot
[20:15] <{mikey}> ubottu, good bot
[20:16] <Teryn> !swapfile
[20:18] <rander2> hello
[20:18] <rander2> i changed video card, from nvdia gt610 to radeon 7870
[20:18] <rander2> but using hashcat I obtain :  clGetPlatformIDs(): CL_PLATFORM_NOT_FOUND_KHR
[20:18] <Teryn> I just need to know if I can use dphys-swapfile commands on Ubuntu 20.04 for RasPi, I don't appear to have a swap partition or file specified from the output of 'swapon -s'.
[20:19] <lordcirth> Teryn, I don't see why it wouldn't work on ARM
[20:21] <Teryn> lordcirth, Sorry, mostly being paranoid, as I can see there are differences from the "RasPiOS" way to the "Ubuntu" way. ^_^; Okay, I'll modify the swap size as I normally would have.
[20:22] <lordcirth> Teryn, see also #ubuntu-arm
[20:23] <Teryn> Struck me as more of a developers' channel than for support, like the discourse page. But if you think so...
[20:23] <lordcirth> rander2, "ubuntu-drivers --autoinstall"?
[20:24] <lordcirth> Teryn, the !arm factoid says "arm-specific support", so in theory...
[20:24] <Teryn> Fair enough.  I'll check. :)
[20:24] <lordcirth> rander2, sorry, no dashes, "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[20:34] <{mikey}> humanz any idea what is happening with the bcmwl drivers?
[20:35] <{mikey}> is this a perennial problem, likely to be fixed soon?
[20:42] <{mikey}> where arz de' humanz
[20:43] <lordcirth> {mikey}, here, but presumably not knowing the answer. Can you be more specific?
[20:43] <{mikey}> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1910555
[20:43] <{mikey}> as identified by the botz
[20:44] <{mikey}> lordcirth, looks to me like the 3rd party drivers are being compilled against a newer version of gcc or somesuch that is enforcing stricter rules on warnings.
[20:45] <{mikey}> I've seen gcc do this. But it doesn't seem like a good idea with 3rd party drivers at all.
[20:45] <Teryn> Radio silence on #ubuntu-arm. I know it's important to have patience, but it's dead there...
[20:50] <lordcirth> {mikey}, well, I would just stick with 5.4 until that bug gets addressed
[20:50] <{mikey}> too late
[20:50] <{mikey}> did a autoremove
[20:50] <{mikey}> an
[20:51] <{mikey}> it's not my laptop, but my mum can use a wire until there is an update, but it doesn't look good.
[20:54] <lordcirth> {mikey}, you can just install linux-generic and remove linux-generic-hwe-20.04, I believe
[20:57] <{mikey}> lordcirth, I didnn't even realise this existed
[20:58] <lordcirth> {mikey}, double check /boot for a kernel before rebooting
[20:58] <{mikey}> how would I have landed on it? would a simple apt-get update; apt-get upgrade do it?
[20:59] <{mikey}> lordcirth, we've rebooted already and there are just the 2 in grub both of which have non-functioning wifi drivers and are 5.8 kernel
[20:59] <{mikey}> s
[21:00] <lordcirth> Not sure what the default is on Desktop. Server only gets HWE automatically if you first install a point release that comes with one
[21:05] <{mikey}> actually the bug report is for 5.8.0-34-generic
[21:06] <{mikey}> my guess is that it is more related to a change in gcc than the kernel.
[21:12] <{mikey}> nope looks like ioremap_nocache was removed from the kernel https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/4bdc0d676a643140bdf17dbf7eafedee3d496a3c
[21:24] <Teryn> Does anyone know if Ubuntu Server 20.04 for arm64 uses a swapfile, or any swap method, by default?
[21:25] <mefistofeles> Teryn: I'd guess it's as usual
[21:25] <mefistofeles> as with any other architecture, I mean
[21:25] <Teryn> mefistofeles, as in, a swapfile?  That's standard on RasPiOS, but I know there's differences between it and Ubuntu.
[21:28] <sarnold> Teryn: I used an rpi preinstalled image on my system and I don't think it came with a swapfile out of the box, I had to add one
[21:30] <Teryn> sarnold, Yeah, that's what it looks like, things are running hotter than usual, going by the fanshim, that's probably why.  Nothing dangerous, but I can't run multiple things as smoothly as before.
[21:31] <Teryn> sarnold, I'll make a swapfile and see how things run after that.  Not planning on a huge installation, so it wouldn't hurt to lose 515MB to 1G off a 32GB microSD.
[21:31] <oerheks> check your fstab?
[21:33] <Teryn> oerheks, fstab mentioned nothing about swap.
[21:35] <oerheks> then.. you don't have a swap.
[21:35] <oerheks> swapon -s would show current swap too
[21:52] <dreampwnzor> hello, my monitor supports overclocking to 160hz instead of default 144hz which works out of the box on Windows, however I fail to see how to do this on Arch Linux with X. I tried to add a new mode to xrandr with 160hz but it errors, also tried to use cvt to create modeline and then add it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf - no luck either... also not sure how to do this via nvidia-settings as it just shows 144hz and that's it
[21:52] <dreampwnzor> (I know it's Ubuntu channel but surely the config for X should be the same)
[21:54] <pauljw> probably due to your lack of reading comprehension.  see the topic for the channel.
[21:57] <sarnold> man, 160hz monitor sounds pretty neat though
[22:33] <Industrial> Hi.
[22:33] <Industrial> When running `snap install chromium` I am getting `- Run configure hook of "chromium" snap if present (run hook "configure": cannot perform operation: mount --rbind /dev /tmp/snap.rootfs_jyVEwu//dev: No such file or directory)`. What now?
[22:35] <oerheks> use sudo
[22:35] <oerheks> sudo snap install chromium
[22:35] <Industrial> Oh, I did. I used sudo :)
[22:37] <oerheks> oh, looks like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1907798
[22:41] <Industrial> hmm, `apt --fix-broken install` did not fix it for me. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Q2hBtz3r5G/
[22:42] <Industrial> What happened: I had installed chromium-browser with apt which used snap before and at some point I did a sudo reboot from a terminal. After rebooting my snap of chromium no longer worked. removing chromium-browser and applying it again causes this error.
[22:42] <Industrial> oerheks: ^
[22:42] <sarnold> Industrial: try sudo apt purge chromium-browser ; sudo apt-get install -f  ; sudo snap install chromium
[22:43] <oerheks> and clear the cache /var/lib/snapd/cache
[22:43] <oerheks> and/or the cache i ~/snap/<package>
[22:49] <Industrial> Got it working, thanks :-)
[22:50] <sarnold> sweet
[22:55] <gartt> My ubuntu box wifi card seems to shut off after a bit and only comes back online after I'm logging into the desktop environment. I've always been able to ping it and SSH in. Could an update have changed settings? Seems strange
[22:58] <zutat> after support for an oem kernel in an LTS release ends, the functionality will still be available in a hwe kernel, right?
[23:06] <frib> How can I stop my wifi from randomly getting turned off? Somehow the power saving feature is on by default and I can't turn it off
[23:09] <jeremy31> frib, try in terminal>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf && systemctl restart network-manager.service
[23:09] <frib> jeremy31, I already tried that
[23:10] <frib> it doesn't fix the issue
[23:10] <jeremy31> frib: did you try the sudo iwconfi {interface} power off
[23:10] <jeremy31> frib: did you try the sudo iwconfig {interface} power off
[23:10] <frib> no
[23:11] <frib> doesn't that turn my wifi interface off?
[23:12] <jeremy31> frib: just turns wifi power management off
[23:13] <frib> oh
[23:13] <frib> ok
[23:13] <frib> so now what
[23:13] <ButtDog> Trying to run a base script on Ubuntu that ask for userinput all keystrokes are generating really strange characters
[23:14] <ButtDog> https://i.gyazo.com/1546733841765ffac18e6f3105370ed1.png is what happens when I type 123
[23:14] <ButtDog> Any idea what's causing this?
[23:15] <lordcirth> ButtDog, is your language/locale not English? Non-standard keymap? What is the script?
[23:15] <ButtDog> lordcirth, both should be en-us for my ubuntu instlal.
[23:15] <ButtDog> https://github.com/htr-tech/zphisher/blob/master/zphisher.sh
[23:17] <lordcirth> ButtDog, looks like a lot of color codes and maybe other control chars
[23:19] <ButtDog> https://i.gyazo.com/9da99a950eb031375f002c39ccdd53cc.png is what happens if I try to ctrl + c
[23:19] <lordcirth> ButtDog, "reset" should fix the terminal.
[23:20] <ButtDog> Ya, I have to drop the connection or start a new ssh session.
[23:20] <ButtDog> Oh, you're refering to the command. Sorry
[23:21] <ButtDog> https://i.gyazo.com/288560a9fe03f2c15908e9145ddca3fb.jpg
[23:21] <ButtDog> Yikes
[23:23] <pyeverything> I have cuda installed  but not cuda libs/samples/headers. How should I install them in Ubuntu 20.04
[23:23] <sarnold> pyeverything: what package did you install?
[23:25] <pyeverything> I cannot remember but i have these: https://pastebin.com/raw/7MM0Gkde sarnold
[23:26] <pyeverything> sarnold: specifically I need to have helper_math.h file
[23:28] <sarnold> pyeverything: hmm, I don't see a helper_math.h in apt-file search output -- are you sure that file is supplied by something that's packaged in ubuntu?
[23:28] <pyeverything> sarnold: when I search it in the server, it is located here /usr/local/cuda-10.2/samples/common/inc/helper_math.h
[23:29] <pyeverything> but I don't have it on my local machine sarnold
[23:29] <sarnold> oh something funny is going on.. hmm. apt-file nvcc reports nvidia-cuda-toolkit .. but apt-cache show nvidia-cuda-toolkit reports that is a purely virtual package. hrmph.
[23:30] <sarnold> pyeverything: /usr/local means it'll have been installed outside the packaging system; most people who prepare packages won't write anything there
[23:30] <pyeverything> what is your suggestion for me? sarnold
[23:32] <sarnold> pyeverything: read through your notes about where you got the contents of /usr/local/cuda-10.2/. If you're *really* lucky there's a README in there or something that includes the location where you got it
[23:34] <cousteau> OK that's it; I'm disabling Firefox's hardware acceleration
[23:35] <cousteau> I keep getting these strange system crashes, and syslog / kern.log aren't being too helpful.  But there seems to be a bug in "Web Content" and "configmgrWriter"
[23:35] <pyeverything> this is installed for us  /usr/local/cuda-10.2/ sarnold
[23:35] <sarnold> pyeverything: if it is installed by a deb, you can find it with dpkg -S /usr/local/cuda-10.2/
[23:36] <sarnold> pyeverything: it's probably not installed by a deb. probably someone unpacked a tarball there.
[23:37] <nb-ben> hi, I have gc-titan ridge thunderbolt controller -- using it with LG thunderbolt monitors (22md4ka). It all works well, except if I unplug a monitor then nvidia driver crashes and my screen freezes.  How can I know it for sure?  I get CUDA Version: 11.1 from nvidia-smi and I get Cuda compilation tools, release 10.1, V10.1.243
[23:47] <pyeverything>  from nvcc --version
[23:47] <sarnold> pyeverything: oh wow! then whoever packaged that broke the rules :) interesting. try apt-cache show libcublas-dev
[23:48] <pyeverything> sarnold: I am confused what is the cuda version on my machine. How can I know it for sure?  I get CUDA Version: 11.1 from nvidia-smi and I get Cuda compilation tools, release 10.1, V10.1.243 from nvcc --version
[23:48] <sarnold> it's sometimes possible to have multiple versions of things installed
[23:48] <pyeverything> it shows a lot of information. I am not sure if I could share them since it includes SHA1 and such sarnold
[23:49] <pyeverything> :(
[23:49] <sarnold> bash's 'type' command can be helpful to understand what program you're actually executing -- eg 'type bash' should show /usr/bin/bash or /bin/bash
[23:50] <sarnold> pyeverything: if there's a Homepage: line, it'll tell you the upstream homepage. If there's a Filename: line, it'll tell you the path to the file on the archive mirror .. apt policy cuda-license-10-2  will probably tell you which server has it
[23:54] <pyeverything> ok sarnold Filename: ./libcublas-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb and  Filename: ./libcublas-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb and  Filename: ./libcublas-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb and  Filename: ./libcublas-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb and  Filename: ./libcublas-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb and Filename: ./libcublas-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb and Filename: ./libcublas-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_amd64.deb and  --> not sure what's an upstream homepage here
[23:56] <sarnold> pyeverything: and the apt policy output? does that report a server?
[23:56] <sarnold> pyeverything: I'm guessing it won't, those look like someone might have done apt install ./*cuda* or dpkg -i ./*cuda* at some point
[23:59] <pyeverything> thanks for help sarnold


[00:46] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: the review tool change is not ready yet. `confinement 'classic' not allowed with plugs/slots lint-snap-v2_confinement_classic_with_interfaces`
[01:22] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: ah, they are behind schedule. i'll email them to ask
[01:22] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: ok thx
[08:25] <manadart> Need a forward merge review: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10978
[09:46] <nammn_de1> manadart stickupkid as you guys already gave it a quick look, its ready for a review. Mostly little cleanup and updated the go doc  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10967
[09:47] <nammn_de1> btw. manadart: there is no way for a controller to access another controllers collection, right?
[09:47] <nammn_de1> at least not without a lot of overhead (?)
[09:47] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, nope
[09:47] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: thanksss
[09:47] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, you'd need to write a LOT of api server/client apis
[09:49] <nammn_de1> stickupkid:  is there a quick way to find out from the package naming which runs on a controller and which on the units on the not controller? Or  something similiar?
[09:51] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, https://github.com/juju/juju/tree/develop/apiserver/facades
[09:52] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: I see, somehow overlooked this 😭
[09:52] <hallback> Interesting to hear about the CentOS + VMware issue, I know some people that are struggling with that, or at least would like to use it. I've used MAAS + my own CentOS images to be able to use Juju with CentOS until I figured out how to do it with LXD instead, but VMware would provide more use cases
[12:13] <achilleasa> manadart: this is the final instancepoller PR https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10979. I have also noted my findings about the dups in the linklayer devices/addresses collections
[12:13] <manadart> achilleasa: OK; will look in a bit.
[12:14] <achilleasa> manadart: take your time... it's a big one :-(
[15:07] <nammn_de1> manadart did you mean that by renaming in your pr review? https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/4ad19fc6fc3105d0d94404cedfd9be33db4f34dc/state/modelmigration.go#L861 Wasn;t 100% sure
[15:07] <nammn_de1> wanted to make sure before merging
[15:20] <nammn_de1> rick_h: what would be the ideal output of this bug be? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1853529
[15:20] <nammn_de1> possible options: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/fVh89BcHQ9/
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1853529: The lack of a controller is not an error <bitesize> <papercut> <ux> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1853529>
[16:07] <stickupkid> manadart, when you get 5 minutes https://github.com/juju/description/pull/67
[16:07] <stickupkid> i'm going to start on external controller
[16:13] <manadart> achilleasa: Still NFI what is up with that. This fixes the error https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/kqVJGHFjJS/ but the test still times out waiting for the address.
[16:15] <rick_h> nammn_de1:  I think option 3, just "No controllers registered"
[16:16] <nammn_de1> rick_h: but this would mean for all the other commands then as well? E.g.
[16:16] <nammn_de1>   juju offers, juju status, juju models are all returning the same message. Do we want to change them as well?
[16:24] <manadart> nammn_de1: Yes, and rename LatestRemovedModelMigration as well. That can call CompletedMigrationForModel.
[17:42] <stickupkid> manadart, external controllers done, I'm now going to wire them up, before landing the PRs https://github.com/juju/description/pull/68
[17:43] <stickupkid> manadart, I'm unsure how relation id plays into this whole thing, so I may end up removing it before landing #67
[17:45] <achilleasa> manadart: that's odd... I will spend some time in the morn commenting out things from the linked commit to see if I can find the block that makes it fail in the first place
[20:24] <hml> timClicks__: did you get the provider instance types answer yesterday?
[20:33] <timClicks> hml: not really, but I don't think that we have a lot of capacity available to implement what erik/scania would like
[20:34] <timClicks> which is supporting centos7 images on vsphere
[20:41] <hml> timClicks:  I only know a few, and not how it works for vsphere.
[20:41] <hml> timClicks:  with vsphere it’s in the config file we setup i believe.
[20:41] <hml> timClicks:  the other is aws, were we pull down the data, and parse it for our use.  usually check when we update AZ
[20:42] <timClicks> yeah, we build a custom base template image
[20:42] <hml> timClicks: rackspace would be the same as openstack
[20:42] <timClicks> sure
[20:43] <hml> timClicks: at a very high level, if the vsphere has centos7, why couldn’t we use it in the config file?
[20:44] <timClicks> I believe we could, which is why I'm probing around asking questions.
[20:46] <hml> timClicks:  :-D
[20:49] <hml> timClicks:  related to the bug, the providers do add model config keys, at leaste the openstack provider does.  does vsphere not add the ones in your bug?
[20:50] <timClicks> no, it doesn't
[20:50] <timClicks> or at least, this is what users see when they try to set up vsphere
[20:50] <hml> timClicks: hrm.. the values are there… but only if you have bootstrapped vsphere.
[20:51] <hml> timClicks: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/provider/vsphere/config.go#L17
[20:52] <hml> timClicks: juju show-cloud --include-config <vsphere-cloud>
[20:53] <hml> wonder why they aren’t seen?
[20:56] <hml> i don’t have a vsphere cloud defined locally to check.
[20:58] <rick_h> hml:  timClicks what do we need? I've got one now :)
[20:58] <timClicks> rick_h: I just filed a bug
[20:58] <hml> rick_h: run the juju command above please
[20:58] <hml> timClicks: were you bootstraped to vsphere when you ran the commands?
[20:59] <timClicks> i didn't, I copied that output from a discourse post from someone else
[20:59] <rick_h> hml:  timClicks ok, ran the command...what am I looking for?
[20:59] <hml> rick_h: what does “The available config options specific to vsphere clouds are:”
[20:59] <hml> list
[21:00] <rick_h> oh bummer I don't get to do that since I'm on JAAS
[21:00] <hml> timClicks: okay, i’ll check disposable2
[21:00] <rick_h> so it doesn't give me cloud config in that way
[21:00] <hml> rick_h: hrm, not cool, can i get a pastebin of what you do see?
[21:01] <hml> I meant I’ll check discourse


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