[22:14] <TuTUXG> got that once
[22:15] <TuTUXG> i think a kernel update fixed that
[22:15] <TuTUXG> for me
[22:16] <josh-l> when was that update released?
[22:16] <hacker07> is 9.04 fast
[22:18] <gabrielgomez> does anyone know if opensync synce works in Jaunty ?
[22:18] <Xisdibik> o0Chris0o: was referring to the graphics bugs i mentioned after the sound stuff.  but its ok, i gotta get off work and go out. see you later
[22:18] <LordKow> josh-l, there were all kinds of reboot quirks added to the 2.6.28 ubuntu kernel over the last couple of months. mostly for various dell laptop models
[22:19] <LordKow> a couple associated with lpia also.
[22:20] <josh-l> LordKow: interesting im running on a dell laptop
[22:20] <LordKow> josh-l, which model?
[22:21] <josh-l> LordKow: inspiron 1525
[22:22] <gabrielgomez> does anyone know if opensync synce works in Jaunty ?
[22:24] <LordKow> josh-l, well if you are using the latest kernel (linux-image-generic Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.13) then i would probably file a bug report against linux make sure to specify your laptop model and also the exact problem.
[22:26] <josh-l> im going to install beta and we'll see
[22:27] <DanaG> By default, ext3 and ext4 journal only the metadata.
[22:27] <DanaG> I have mine set to journal the file data (content) itself, too.
[22:28] <aerkn> is firefox 3.1 going to be released as an update in jaunty or will it be in 9.10?
[22:28] <aerkn> 3.5*
[22:28] <LordKow> DanaG, what are the upsides and downsides to journaling the content?
[22:28] <gmiernicki> aerkn: it will be in 9.04
[22:28] <DanaG> Supposedly some performance loss, for one -- but it means all file actions should either happen, or not happen, and not get stuck in "half-done" state.
[22:28] <gmiernicki> the package will get updated
[22:29] <gmiernicki> imo, its better to run compiled versions from ftp.mozilla.org
[22:29] <gmiernicki> much more stable on intrepid
[22:29] <aerkn> gmiernicki, so in the beta of ubuntu tomorrow and final, will it be a beta of firefox?
[22:29] <DanaG> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ext3_Filesystem_Tips
[22:29] <gmiernicki> im not sure if pre-releases of firefox get into the pre-release repo or not
[22:30] <gmiernicki> i think only final releases get pushed out
[22:30] <aerkn> gmiernicki, i remember in hardy a beta of firefox was included in the shipping for final ubuntu 8.04
[22:30] <damnubuntu_> how stable is the ext4 filesystem in jaunty?
[22:30] <aerkn> don't use it
[22:31] <gmiernicki> its pretty easy to run 3.5 atm, just pull it down from ftp.mozilla.org, extract, and launch with -P option :)
[22:31] <nemo> heh
[22:31] <DanaG> you know, there's a mozilla team PPA.
[22:31] <gmiernicki> i always have a current and trunk build going
[22:31]  * DanaG is using ff3.1 betas from it.
[22:31] <aerkn> gmiernicki, yea, i'm running beta 3 now, just curious thats all
[22:31] <gmiernicki> but im a web developer :)
[22:31] <nemo> aerkn: yeah, if I could have done magic sysrq + s  I'dve not been so sad
[22:31] <nemo> however, inability to sync + major filesystem changes + crash + ext4
[22:31] <nemo> bad times
[22:31] <DanaG> hmm, you have an SSH server?
[22:32] <aerkn> are there already builds of jaunty beta out, or is that tomorrow?
[22:32] <DanaG> If you do, you can actually (as root) echo a single letter into /proc/sysrq-trigger.
[22:34] <DanaG> For root, you should use tune2fs, not just fstab.
[22:34] <DanaG> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fs8.html#4
[22:37] <TuTUXG> DanaG, very useful information, does tune2fs work with ext4?
[22:37] <DanaG> yeah.
[22:37] <DanaG> Same flags apply.
[22:37] <TuTUXG> sweet
[22:38] <DanaG> Interestingly enough, for me to use laptop-mode-tools, I have actually set a (perhaps excessively) long commit time: 15 minutes.
[22:38] <LordKow> so does the root filesystem get unmounted and remounted during start-up? (ie does grub mount it read-only and then init scripts unmount and remount using the fstab options?)
[22:38] <DanaG> Too bad the radeon eats all the power I might've saved from spinning down the hard drive.  =þ
[22:38] <DanaG> If you edit fstab for root, you ALSO have to add rootflags= to the boot options, or it fails to mount root.
[22:38] <DanaG> You can't remount to change journal type.
[22:39] <LordKow> well, i have no rootflags mentioned in menu.lst but yet mount returns the mount options for / that i have specified in fstab.
[22:39] <DanaG> It only matters if you change journaling type.
[22:39] <LordKow> k
[22:39] <DanaG> So, for changing journaling type, it's better to use tune2fs.
[22:40] <alex_mayorga> would we get something "Pre like" on the notifications? Grouped by people, not application?
[22:50] <LordKow> so i have 2 different menu item entries in System -> Preferencies with the name "Sound"
[22:50] <LordKow> :-/
[23:05] <LordKow> how does one search for which package a particular file belongs to?
[23:05] <TheMuso> LordKow: dpkg -S filename
[23:05] <LordKow> thank you
[23:07] <LordKow> can anyone confirm whether the sound from pidgin is scratchy? seems to be only pidgin (from the apps that i use)
[23:07] <Hobbsee> i've not noticed it
[23:08] <dan457> not only pidgin
[23:08] <bluefoxx> I have a soundcard, but no speakers too hook up, so I can't help with those issues...
[23:08] <dan457> depends on your hardware.  was mention of a kernel update comming to adress that
[23:08] <dtchen> the kernel is already up
[23:08] <dtchen> same place, just crimsun2
[23:08] <dan457> nice, i'll go get it then.. tnx dtchen
[23:09] <rniamo> dtchen : how could i know if your patch is loaded ?
[23:09] <dtchen> rniamo: did you boot with or without them inserted?
[23:09] <dtchen> rniamo: cat /proc/version_signature
[23:09] <rniamo> dtchen : Ubuntu 2.6.28-11.38~lp330814crimsun2-generic :)
[23:09] <rniamo> but no osund in speakers
[23:09] <rniamo> sound
[23:09] <dan457> hmmm.  where do I get it?  update doesn't show any updates....
[23:10] <dtchen> dan457: it's not in the Ubuntu repository (yet). See http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/
[23:10] <dan457> thanks.
[23:10] <dtchen> rniamo: did you boot with headphones inserted?
[23:10] <rniamo> dtchen : no
[23:11]  * LordKow logs dpkg -S into his brain
[23:11] <dtchen> rniamo: please rerun alsa-info.sh
[23:12] <rniamo> dtchen : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=a2e9b74d00f9102413840be00162eaccde680c4b
[23:12] <dtchen> LordKow: please confirm pidgin's insanity with the new test kernel
[23:12] <dtchen> rniamo: sec
[23:12] <rniamo> dtchen : sec ?
[23:13] <dtchen> it means "wait a second"
[23:13] <rniamo> oh sorry
[23:13] <dtchen> also known as "I'm busy reading the output"
[23:13] <Guest94492> Sorry for this question, but I neet to know, what Canonical are doing to improve Gnome or KDE or Linux in general? Please someone answer
[23:13] <LordKow> dtchen, the test kernel being the one in your ppa i assume?
[23:14] <LordKow> or perhaps i'll just see that link :)
[23:14] <bluefoxx> .
[23:15] <LordKow> alright i need testing juice/energy/caffeine then i'll boot that kernel
[23:15] <Guest94492> thats what I'm afraid. No one knows
[23:15] <dtchen> Guest94492: suggestion: try searching the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list archive on lists.ubuntu.com
[23:16] <dtchen> Guest94492: some of us are quite busy preparing for the Beta
[23:16] <o0Chris0o> Guest94492: google helps too :D
[23:16] <Guest94492> waiting Novell release something??
[23:16] <dtchen> Guest94492: so please don't interpret a lack of response to your question as "oh no, we don't care"
[23:16] <dan457> brb, going to reboot and test the kernel
[23:17] <Guest94492> I'm using Ubuntu since 6.06
[23:18] <Guest94492> and E heard every time that Canonical don't contribute with linux
[23:18] <dtchen> rniamo: i'm pretty sure you're using the wrong quirk
[23:18] <alex_mayorga> anyone else with crashy bluetooth? Bug #337080
[23:18] <rniamo> dtchen : what is a quirk ?
[23:19] <dtchen> rniamo: let me confirm in our current ubuntu-jaunty.git
[23:19] <dtchen> rniamo: it's whatever model= you use
[23:19] <rniamo> ok
[23:19] <dtchen> rniamo: i.e., you appear to have used model=auto
[23:19] <dtchen> which is wrong.
[23:19] <rniamo> maybe
[23:19] <dtchen> you need model=hp-m4
[23:20] <rniamo> ok, i'm trying and i come back to say you if it works
[23:20] <dtchen> well, not yet
[23:20] <dtchen> i need to see if our current linux source even supports it
[23:20] <rniamo> ah
[23:20] <Guest94492> where I can download Ubuntu-ARM Source Code???
[23:21] <dtchen> rniamo: yes, it does. Please just remove your options snd-hda-intel quirk line, or replace model=auto with model=hp-m4
[23:21] <rniamo> i put hp-m4
[23:21] <o0Chris0o> Guest94492: Google it
[23:22] <genii> Guest94492: They'll likely know in channel #ubuntu-arm
[23:22] <DanaG> Is there any way to force the thing to use a model name that doesn't apply to the codec it's auto-detecting?
[23:22] <DanaG> I want to use laptop-eapd, but it seems to refuse to use that adi1986-specific model with my adi1988 card.
[23:23] <dtchen> DanaG: no, because the quirk list is extremely codec-specific
[23:23] <dtchen> codec meaning codec model and revision
[23:24] <DanaG> ah.
[23:24] <dtchen> what you *can* do is use hda-verb to twiddle the registers themselves, similar to what OSSv4's tool allows
[23:24] <DanaG> The thing is, I want it to twiddle a GPIO pin on mute; not manually.
[23:24] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: do you know off hand if the notification popups in jaunty will be customizable (movable)?
[23:24] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[23:24] <DanaG> Check my note about twiddling the GPIO.
[23:24] <dtchen> unfortunately, Ubuntu's kernel does not enable CONFIG_SND_DEBUG, which is necessary to use hda-verb ...
[23:25] <Guest94492> Here is to talk about Bugs?
[23:25] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: i really have no idea, sorry. i'm afraid resource constraints permit me to focus on only bits and pieces, and notify-osd and family are not included.
[23:26] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: ok thanks, sorry for bugging you :) I'm sure your quite busy
[23:27] <dtchen> o0Chris0o: np, it's just that i'm not following the UI changes in that area
[23:27] <o0Chris0o> dtchen: k :)
[23:30] <hacker07> I need some help
[23:31] <hacker07> hello!!!!!!!!!!
[23:31] <o0Chris0o> !patience | hacker07
[23:31] <jpereira> hello, i update from 8.10 to Jaunty and broken my package database.... following the my config and message when try update: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/137854/
[23:31] <dan457> Be specific
[23:31] <o0Chris0o> just ask the question hacker07, we can't help you unless you ask
[23:31] <DanaG> dtchen: so that's what I meant about gpio.
[23:31] <hacker07> sorry lol
[23:32] <dtchen> DanaG: busy, haven't read it
[23:32] <DanaG> ah.
[23:32] <hacker07> when I was trying to install with the live cd of 9.04 alpha 6 I was getting a harddrive error when it was at 24%
[23:32] <jpereira> somebody have ideas?
[23:33] <jpereira> hacker07: download other image, verify the checksum of your iso image and try again.
[23:33] <dan457> Well, considering beta is tomorrow, sure you shouldn't just grab that then?
[23:33] <genii> hacker07: Also make sur your /boot partition is fairly large. Like 150Mb
[23:33] <hacker07> lol yeah
[23:33] <dan457> personaly, I install from flash drive instead of CD.. less error prone.
[23:33] <LordKow> dtchen, seems to have fixed the problem. out of curiosity do you have a debdiff between the ubuntu version and yours?
[23:34] <hacker07> is there a guide for installing it with ext4
[23:34] <LordKow> hacker07, you need to manually partition (not guided) and when you create the partition & filesystem that will be mounted as / select ext4
[23:35] <dan457> Not convinced ext4 is ready yet.......
[23:35] <hacker07> I know but what do I do for swap space
[23:35] <dan457> depends on your system
[23:36] <Hobbsee> "swap"
[23:36] <LordKow> hacker07, i would say swap+memory = 3-4gb
[23:36] <LordKow> all depends on what you do though (and dont do)
[23:36] <dtchen> LordKow: no, but you could generate one. See http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=dtchen/ubuntu-jaunty.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/pcm and master.
[23:36] <hacker07> okay so swap space is not neccessary if I am installing it on a 512mb test system
[23:36] <_Carlo_> Ubuntu 9.04 will use the new Kernel 2.6.29?
[23:36] <dan457> yes, it is.
[23:36] <dtchen> _Carlo_: no
[23:37] <LordKow> dtchen, thanks
[23:37] <dtchen> _Carlo_: we are using <IP_ADDRESS> as a base
[23:37] <dan457> i've had it use over 512 here
[23:37] <hacker07> does ext4 support ide drives
[23:37] <Amaranth> swap should be equal to memory
[23:37] <dan457> give yourself a 1 gig swap just to be safe
[23:37] <hacker07> okay
[23:37] <Amaranth> otherwise you may have trouble hibernating
[23:37] <_Carlo_> and the problem with Kde and Nvidia?  i agree. pulseaudio in jaunty no longer sucketh
[23:39] <TheMuso> 8/wc
[23:39] <_Carlo_>  I dunno???
[23:39] <Amaranth> _Carlo_: Upgrade and see
[23:39] <_Carlo_> how you speak in red?
[23:39] <Amaranth> _Carlo_: It shows red when I say your name
[23:40] <hacker07> what is the recommended system to run a web server
[23:40] <jpereira> hello, i update from 8.10 to Jaunty and broken my package database.... following the my config and message when try update: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/137854/ somebody have ideas?
nice
[23:40] <Amaranth> hacker07: apache?
[23:40] <hacker07> I know that but I meen computer system specs
[23:41] <dan457> hmmm. wow is running again... now to see how long.....
[23:41] <_Carlo_> and the Firefox, know works with kde?
[23:41] <Amaranth> _Carlo_: sure
[23:42] <hacker07> will someone test out my webserver for me private.greenbookhackerdev.info/forum
[23:42] <Amaranth> hacker07: don't need much unless you're running a large website
[23:42] <hacker07> like what
[23:42] <Amaranth> hacker07: Is your server newer than 1998?
[23:42] <hacker07> will you test this out for me private.greenbookhackerdev.info/forum
[23:42] <dan457> login page...
[23:42] <hacker07> kinda
[23:42] <Amaranth> it loads, asks for a username and password
[23:42] <_Carlo_> because in 8.10 it has some interface problems with QT, right?
[23:42] <hacker07> login guest pass guest
[23:42] <Amaranth> _Carlo_: not that I know of
[23:43] <Amaranth> jpereira: hrm, something got seriously corrupted there, ext4?
[23:43] <dan457> loged in as guest guest
[23:43] <hacker07> can you see a phpbb forum
[23:43] <dan457> Yup
[23:43] <hacker07> did it load fast
[23:43] <dan457> Yes
[23:44] <dan457> I'm not accualy logged into the forum though.
[23:44] <dan457> just sent me there.
[23:44] <jpereira> [root@jiraya ~]# df -HT | grep  ext4
[23:44] <jpereira> [root@jiraya ~]#
[23:44] <jpereira> Amaranth: nothing
[23:44] <hacker07> well I know that I just have that because it is private currently
[23:44] <dan457> Ok.  you are working then.  :-)
[23:45] <hacker07> is it fast
[23:45] <dan457> My poor computer.... world of warcraft and encoding video at the same time... now to find a raid to see if I can crash it....
[23:45] <Amaranth> jpereira: dunno, never had to recover from that kind of error before
[23:45] <Amaranth> try reinstalling those packages?
[23:47] <hacker07> what kind of server does ubuntuforums run on
[23:47] <jpereira> Amaranth: me?
[23:47] <Amaranth> hacker07: A massive system
[23:47] <jpereira> if i try reinstalling?
[23:47] <dan457> If this works ok I might even try enabling sound in wine again. (was crashing it hard before today)
[23:47] <jpereira> i try rm -rf /
[23:47] <jpereira> =\
[23:47] <WatchBot> !danger | jpereira
[23:48] <hacker07> lol like what
[23:48] <Amaranth> hacker07: it's also one of the most (if not the most) active vbulletin forums in the world
[23:48] <hacker07> damn
[23:48] <Amaranth> hacker07: think multiple top of the line computers with massive amounts of memory
[23:48] <DanaG> Might be good to have the bot trigger on that explicitly -- and kick, too.  But make sure not to have an over-zealous regex.
[23:48] <hacker07> wow how much do you think it costs to run
[23:48] <Amaranth> think "I Just spent $10,000 on a server"
[23:48] <jpereira> hacker07:  stop of say "lol", you only just say "lol"?
[23:49] <hacker07> what?
[23:51] <hacker07> is this still active
[23:51] <calc> hacker07: bandwidth would probably be the highest cost to run, since its probably not too many machines running it
[23:51] <hacker07> yeah
[23:51] <calc> it appears to just be one system from the nslookup info (or fronted by a proxy)
[23:52] <hacker07> oh im guessing it runs on an ubuntu server
[23:52] <calc> hacker07: most likely
[23:52] <hacker07> lol yeah
[23:52] <hacker07> is linux a stable server enviorments
[23:53] <calc> hacker07: of course
[23:53]  * calc wonders what kind of question is that
[23:53] <hacker07> im running an apache server on ubuntu 8.10 desktop
[23:54] <calc> hacker07: if you intend to just run server software ubuntu server version is probably better since it doesn't install desktop software so less overhead
[23:54] <Amaranth> calc: I think it has a separate DB server
[23:54] <calc> Amaranth: ah ok
[23:54] <hacker07> is it faster to run that
[23:54] <genii> Anything without pretty interfaces is much faster
[23:54] <calc> hacker07: probably is about the same if ubuntu desktop never has logged in users
[23:55] <calc> hacker07: logging into the server via gnome desktop would slow it down somewhat
[23:55] <hacker07> yeah but I use the server as a desktop to
[23:55] <hacker07> too
[23:55] <calc> hacker07: then just use ubuntu desktop then
[23:55] <hacker07> yeah
[23:55] <hacker07> is ubuntu server better to install a LAMP server
[23:55] <calc> its the same software either way, it just preinstalls different bits
[23:56] <hacker07> lol yeah
[23:56] <genii> hacker07: Yes. that is what the point of having a server distribution is about
[23:56]  * calc has to go finish rebuilding his laptop
[23:56] <DanaG> rebuilding?
[23:56] <hacker07> lol
[23:57] <hacker07> is it possible to run a dedicated server on a laptop
[23:57] <Amaranth> sure
[23:57] <DanaG> one of my big gripes with radeon, phrased as lolcats:
[23:57] <DanaG> im in ur radeon, eating ur watz.
[23:58] <DanaG> (or could replace 'watz' with 'joulz')
[23:58] <hacker07> is it recomended
[23:58] <Hobbsee> not really
[23:58] <Hobbsee> overheating, and all
[23:59] <hacker07> oh
[23:59] <DanaG> Depends on how well-designed the laptop is, and what you intend to use it for.
[23:59]  * genii straps a floor model fan onto his radeon


[03:35] <lunatic-> hey
[03:45] <shepster> OK
[03:46] <shepster> anyone wanna talk about failed upgrades?
[03:46] <cfhowlett> shepster, https://inkscape.org/media/cms_page_media/56/ask-smart-questions.pdf
[03:47] <cfhowlett> pages 4, 7
[03:48] <shepster> thanks cf
[03:48] <lunatic-> anybody want to help me?
[03:49] <cfhowlett> !ask | lunatic-
[03:49] <lunatic-> oh sorry
[03:49] <lunatic-> How do I create a bootable usb stick that has ubuntu studio on mac?
[03:50] <cfhowlett> !usb | lunatic-
[03:50] <lunatic-> thank you
[03:51] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[04:03] <shepster> My system upgraded from 3.13.0-68-lowlatency to 3.13.0-70-lowlatency through automatic notification and muon updater, done.  Yesterday I was looking at the muon application and I thought I would run it to see if any more updates were available.  It said there was a system update available so I clicked install and it proceeded to install 3.13.0-68-lowlatency and actually rolled back to the previous upgrade.  Now my KDE desktop is hope
[04:03] <shepster> lessly f'ed up.  How do I get 3.13.0-70-lowlatency back?
[04:04] <cfhowlett> reboot, at grub go to advanced options, choose your kernel.
[04:04] <shepster> only 68 is available there
[04:05] <cfhowlett> shepster, only 1 kernel?!
[04:05] <shepster> yes
[04:06] <shepster> I also only have 68 in the boot folder
[04:07] <cfhowlett> shepster, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[04:08] <shepster> I can do that...
[04:09] <shepster> be back soon...
[04:29] <rls> cf - can you resend the apt commands re: sudo apt update && sudo apt full_upgrade
[04:30] <rls> I need to see if I did it right but I had to logout to get to the right user so as not to use root for irc.
[04:31] <rls> shepster
[04:31] <rls> thanks
[04:32] <NoklaM> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[04:42] <shepster> .!
[18:48] <ssj71> I want to patch the lowlatency kernel, but I'm not sure how to apply the config to the kernel src
[18:49] <ssj71> I ran apt-get source linux-image-lowlatency and all it has is the debian dir
[18:51] <ssj71> do I just copy that directory into the kernel source?
[19:57] <zequence> ssj71: Yes. -lowlatency is just a small config diff, plus some debian/control differences.
[19:58] <zequence> So, patching -lowlatency is not much different from patching -generic. Question is, which kernel config do you want to use, and which dependencies for the kernel?
[20:11] <ssj71> I want the lowlatency kernel, + a little patch for my backlight
[20:11] <ssj71> but when I tried to apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) it defaulted to the generic kernel source
[20:12] <ssj71> I tried with linux-image-lowatency which is the meta package IIUC and all it gave me was the debian folder
[20:13] <ssj71> Its currently compiling with make (I was going to try manually installing) but once thats done I'll try copying the folder and using the debian/rules
[20:31] <ssj71> zequence: doing so gave me "no rule to make target 'binary-headers' stop"
[20:35] <ssj71> ls
[21:20] <zequence> Been a while since I tried building the lowlatency kernel, and I have never tried since it was merged with -generic.
[21:21] <zequence> Somehow, all of them are built from the same source
[21:21] <zequence> You could ask for some quick tips on #ubuntu-kernel
[21:22] <zequence> Like "How to build -lowlatency kernel?". And, mention you are going to patch it before you build it.
[21:23] <ssj71> zequence: ok. thanks!
[21:58] <zequence> ssj71: btw, the patch for your backlight, is that something that gets included in newer kernels?
[21:58] <zequence> You could just install the kernel from the development version of Ubuntu, if it already has that
[22:00] <zequence> You could try adding the newer repos to your apt sources, then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-lowlatency


[00:10] <kwwii> rickspencer3: hi
[00:11] <rickspencer3> kwwii, are there icons for me to merge? I thought you mentioned something about it, and seeing new icons seems more fun that what I have to do no ;)
[00:20] <kwwii> rickspencer3: yes, I can get some together quickly which are better than the place holders but I cannot do it now (meeting)
[00:22] <rickspencer3> kwwii, no rush AT ALL
[00:22] <rickspencer3> I'm just looking for something to play with ;)
[00:24] <kwwii> rickspencer3: ok, I'll get something together nad propose a merge
[00:24] <rickspencer3> thanks kwwii
[00:24] <kwwii> rickspencer3: happy to help ;)
[00:29] <jono> Nafai, hey
[00:29] <jono> hows things going?
[00:29] <Nafai> just a sec
[00:29] <jono> np
[00:33] <Nafai> sorry, was calling out my dinner order :)
[00:33] <Nafai> Oh, today's been frustrating (not feeling well)....so I'm working tomorrow.  Sorry :(
[00:34] <Nafai> but I did figure out more of GObject
[00:41] <jcastro> Nafai: hope you feel better
[00:41] <Nafai> thanks
[00:41] <Nafai> getting used to my new early schedule from a few months of slackering while laid off :)
[00:41] <Nafai> are the indicator app libs and such fixed in the repos now?
[00:42] <Nafai> libdbusmenu-{gtk0, glib0} are broken packages for me right now
[00:42] <jcastro> Nafai: afaik they're working on it
[00:43] <jcastro> tedg: can you give us a quick 2 second update?
[00:43] <Nafai> ok, just curious :)
[00:46] <tedg> jcastro: Nafai: Everything should be working itself out.    Basically the glib0,gtk0 ones can't be on a system with glib1,gtk1 -- so it'll take a little bit.
[01:17] <seg|ars> djsiegel: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2198/screenshot1vp.png
[01:17] <djsiegel> seg|ars: you are the man
[01:17] <djsiegel> wow
[01:17] <seg|ars> I'm still tweaking some of the details, but it's a pretty solid first pass
[01:17] <djsiegel> that looks awesome
[01:18] <seg|ars> thanks
[01:18] <djsiegel> you might want to drop that reflection if possible
[01:18] <seg|ars> yeah
[01:18] <seg|ars> I'm also thinking about making the icons full-size
[01:18] <Nafai> wow, that looks nice
[01:21] <djsiegel> seg|ars: yeah they could be bigger
[01:21] <djsiegel> would be nice
[01:22] <djsiegel> when i post, do you have the bubble come from the right?
[01:22] <seg|ars> no, but I might be able to do that
[01:22] <djsiegel> that send button needs some horizontal padding
[01:22] <djsiegel> seg|ars: empathy does that
[01:22] <djsiegel> alternating sides for from/to
[01:22] <seg|ars> yeah, I see from the template
[01:22] <djsiegel> seg|ars: can you talk to TheMuso in #ubuntu-desktop about accessibility?
[01:23] <seg|ars> yeah
[01:23] <seg|ars> accessibility in what sense?
[01:23] <seg|ars> are there specific things that need to be done to the design to accommodate certain accessibility requirements?
[01:23] <seg|ars> or is it just about accessibility in webkit in general?
[01:25] <kklimonda> seg|ars, why was it decided to render all buttons using webkit (well, at least that's how it felt when I've selected them all using mouse and then managed to get a 404 page). Is gtk not flexible enough?
[01:26] <seg|ars> I could achieve the same thing with gtk, but it would take me a few months and it would likely require about ten times as much code
[01:27] <seg|ars> custom gtk widgets are almost never worth the effort
[01:27] <kklimonda> sad
[01:27] <seg|ars> Qt, on the other hand, makes such things trivially easy because it has native CSS theming.
[01:28] <seg|ars> I'm hopeful that in a year or so Clutter and Mx will be mature enough to get the job done, at which point I'll probably replace the webkit bits for the UI
[01:28] <djsiegel> yeah
[01:28] <djsiegel> ok gtg
[01:28] <djsiegel> awesome work seg|ars
[01:28] <seg|ars> thanks
[01:29] <kklimonda> Mx ?
[01:29] <seg|ars> it's a widget toolkit for clutter. Intel is funding it
[01:43] <seg|ars> updated: http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5489/screenshot3kh.png
[04:45] <vish> seg|ars: hi.. i noticed a few things , the icons[replies , inbox] dont change to the user's theme , not even to humanity , they are stuck at gnome icons..
[04:46] <vish> also gwibber  now has 2 menu items in the system>prefs, is that intentional?
[04:56] <seg|ars> vish: in the previous version, we used to use theme icons for the sidebar, but we had a lot of problems with it
[04:56] <seg|ars> some of those icons, like the inbox, aren't actually part of themes. That one comes from evolution, for example
[04:57] <seg|ars> we had a mix of static icons like that and we also used theme icons, and the result was a very, very inconsistent looking sidebar
[04:57] <seg|ars> another problem is that not all of the themes expose the necessary icons at all of the sizes we use
[04:57] <seg|ars> with the current sidebar, where we have three icon sizes, some of the icons from the themes would be either pixelated, or shrunken full-sized svgs, which looked really bad
[04:58] <vish> seg|ars: yeah, the old version had scaling problems with those icons , but we have included the icons in Humanity iteslf , it would help being more consistent
[04:58] <seg|ars> but humanity isn't necessarily available on other distros
[04:58] <vish> ah..
[04:59] <seg|ars> the current behavior works better everywhere people use gwibber
[04:59] <vish> seg|ars: k..,. cool
[04:59] <vish> seg|ars: was the 2 menu items in sys>orefs intentional?
[04:59] <vish> prefs*
[04:59] <seg|ars> when I discussed it once before with david, what he wanted was a set of really generic silhouette style icons for inbox/reply/etc that we could ship with gwibber. I'd be open to that, but somebody would have to make those icons
[05:00] <seg|ars> no, that's not intentional
[05:00] <seg|ars> what menu items do you see there?
[05:00] <seg|ars> I didn't even know gwibber puts something in sys>prefs. That must be something kenvandine did
[05:00] <vish> seg|ars: Gwibber social accounts and Gwibber social settings
[05:01] <seg|ars> oh that's interesting
[05:01] <seg|ars> those are two separate dialogs. One is preferences and the other is account settings
[05:01] <seg|ars> imo we don't know the settings one in there
[05:01] <seg|ars> I'll talk to kenvandine about it and see what he thinks
[05:01]  * vish nods
[05:02] <vish> seg|ars: silhoutte style icons as in , similar to the glyph panel icons?
[05:02] <seg|ars> yes
[05:02] <seg|ars> I think he was specifically envisioning something like tweetie
[05:03] <seg|ars> vish: like this: http://theocacao.com/images/content/000603-tweetie-timeline-buddies.png
[05:04] <vish> seg|ars: hmm , I already have a few of them somewhere , I'll try to get them done in a couple of weeks ,
[05:04] <seg|ars> awesome. :-)
[05:04] <vish> seg|ars: do you have a bug report open for it? if so you can assign it to me
[05:05] <seg|ars> I'll file one. Thanks!
[05:05] <vish> np..
[17:42] <Nafai> smithj: I'll be around for part of the day working, so let me know if you have questions I might be able to answer
[19:43] <jono> smithj, hey
[19:43] <Nafai> jono: Made it back to California?
[19:43] <jono> Nafai, back home :-)
[19:43] <jono> hows things Nafai?
[19:44] <Nafai> pretty good
[19:44] <jono> Nafai, what is the current state of progress?
[19:45] <Nafai> prolly about 45% on brasero, due to back day yesterday, but back into making progress for a few hours this afternoon
[19:45] <Nafai> can't wait to have at least one done :)
[19:45] <jono> sweet :)
[19:45] <Nafai> I'm going to shoot ken vandine an e-mail here soon (so he can get to it at his leisure, as it is the weekend) with a code question
[19:46] <Nafai> style stuff, abstraction in GObject/C seems a little different than I'm used to
[19:46] <jono> thanks Nafai, I am keen to get you unblocked on the things you mailed about
[19:46] <jono> brb
[19:46] <Nafai> me too
[20:07] <jono> smithj, ping?
[20:28] <Nafai> It's weird how people keep bringing up gnome shell and duplicated effort whenever someone posts about app-indicators (reading comments to jcastro's latest blog post)
[21:06] <jono> Nafai, lol, indeed
[21:06] <jono> smithj, are you around today?