[12:36] <Andy80> hi
[12:37] <jelmer> hi Andy80
[12:37] <Andy80> trying to "bzr branch..." a repository, I get this error http://pastebin.com/K3h0qrZq any idea?
[12:38] <bob2> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/276
[12:42] <jelmer> Andy80: that looks like a broken installation of pycrypto
[12:42] <jelmer> nevermind, what bob2 said :)
[12:52] <Andy80> bob2, jelmer the link basically says that I need libgmp, I installed it with: yum install gmp gmpy
[12:52] <Andy80> but I keep getting the same error
[12:53] <Andy80> oh wait....
[12:53] <Andy80> but it says v5 or later and centos 6.4 provides v4 only
[12:53] <bob2> i only skimmed but assumed epel is the source of your pain
[12:55] <Andy80> bob2, could you explain it in more detail please? I'm quite new to centos :\
[12:55] <bob2> nope, I ditched centos for such reasons
[12:55] <Andy80> ok
[12:56] <jelmer> Andy80: a workaround might be to force bzr to use openssh rather than paramiko
[12:57] <jelmer> Andy80: set BZR_SSH=ssh in your environment
[12:59] <Andy80> jelmer, just tried with "export BZR_SSH=ssh" and then the same  bzr command, but I get the same error
[12:59] <jelmer> Andy80: sorry, try "export BZR_SSH=openssh"
[13:00] <Andy80> jelmer, same error again
[13:00] <jelmer> hmm, that should be sufficient according to http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-reference/env-variables-help.html I think
[13:01] <jelmer> Andy80: sorry, I don't really have time to debug this. Perhaps somebody else can help.
[13:01] <Andy80> jelmer, no problem, thanks anyway :)


[04:38] <grinenko> having issues install 9.10 with alternate cd
[04:39] <grinenko> 9.10 does not detect all my harddrives though had no issues with 8.04
[04:40] <grinenko> anyone have an idea what could be the problem
[11:44] <dpm> hi cjwatson, ev: while installing a desktop from the LiveCD, do (roughly) most of the translations come from ubiquity instead of d-i? I'm assigning priorities to translation templates in LP (i.e. which ones appear first on the big list of Ubuntu templates at e.g. https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+lang/en_GB), and I'm trying to determine whether the debian-installer and debian-installer-help should be so far up the list
[11:47] <cjwatson> I'm not sure which is the majority, but both are significant
[11:47] <cjwatson> if either is left out then you'll have a pretty nasty semi-translated ubiquity
[11:48] <dpm> cjwatson, ok, thanks. So I guess it makes sense to leave them as they are at the top of the list, along with ubiquity
[11:49] <cjwatson> I would be inclined to.  If you're itching to move something down then maybe debian-installer-help isn't *quite* so important, although it does control the F1 menu on the first thing new users see
[11:51] <dpm> cjwatson, I think I'll leave debian-installer-help as it is as well, since it is a not very long translation and I think it's also important to have it well translated. Thanks for the tip!
[14:38] <davmor2> ev: is there no wubi on the cd's deliberately?
[14:44] <ev> davmor2: ah, good catch.  On it now.
[14:44] <davmor2> ev: no probs
[14:45] <davmor2> ev: will it be the same across the board or do you want me to check on kubuntu etc?
[14:45] <ev> no need, it's just that the wubi executable hasn't been uploaded to people.canonical.com yet.
[14:54] <davmor2> ev: ah right
[15:10] <ev> console-setup takes far too long to build (not that I'm asserting anything can be done to remedy this)
[16:54] <ev> hrm, ubiquity/remove_oemconfig or oem-config/remove ?
[16:54] <ev> bug 210779
[16:57] <cjwatson> not sure it matters
[16:57] <cjwatson> I think I'd use the latter but ...
[16:59] <ev> sure, was just asking for personal preference
[17:00] <ara> ev, I am getting a weird bug in expert mode
[17:00] <ara> ev, bug 507059
[17:04] <ev> ara: okay, I'll look into it
[17:04] <ara> ev, thanks
[17:28] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3654 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Remove oem-config on successful completion (LP: #210779).
[17:48] <davmor2> ev1: was there a rebuild triggered to get wubi onto the cd's do you know?
[17:50] <ev1> no, there wasn't
[17:51] <davmor2> ev1: everything your end is done though so it can be requested now is that correct?
[17:51] <ev1> yes, but I don't think that's alpha critical
[20:58] <davmor2> cjwatson: I'm just running and expert install an I'm stuck in a loop on partitioning.  It highlights the HDD to install on when you hit enter it goes no futher.  So you can go back just no forward
[20:59] <cjwatson> ara mentioned that - bug 507059
[21:00] <davmor2> cjwatson: cool I knew I'd seen it somewhere I just couldn't google foo it
[21:00] <cjwatson> guess I'd better look at that, with multiple reports ...
[21:01] <davmor2> cjwatson: shouldn't there be a continue button?
[21:04] <cjwatson> I'll have to look at that before answering


[00:10] <Consuela> Hi! I have a question here
[00:11] <Consuela> Do you guys regulary get islamic preachers?
[00:12] <rww> it seems to be a thing recently
[00:14] <Consuela> I got one at [17:56] but ikonia took care of it
[00:14] <Consuela> [17:56] Guest93612<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from Bangladesh on common Channels #ubuntu
[00:15] <Consuela> Crosschecking IP returns severa; guest nicks
[00:15] <Consuela> and anr7y
 the room has been taken over by-request, take notice.
[02:28] <bazhang> news2me
[09:41] <bazhang> removing swap / switching to upstart
[09:42] <bazhang> am I missing some connection
[09:42] <rww> i think systemd does do something different with crypttab, and he was getting errors related to cryptsetup
[09:42] <rww> so i guess theoretically?>
[09:44] <bazhang> polling/editorializing/ and close to rant, sounds fully supportable
 I mean, every supposed fix seems to more or less be equivalent of "just disable swap altogether". I don't know if swap is really required
[09:47] <bazhang> so not related at all, just a segue to rant
[11:38] <bazhang> 'broken out of the box' check
[11:49] <bazhang> ikonia, he/she has four swap partitiions
[11:49] <ikonia> what ?
[11:49] <bazhang> yes
[11:49] <bazhang> so whatever breakage is not out of the box
[11:50] <ikonia> it should handle multiple swap partitions, but why would you need that?
[11:50] <ikonia> be interested to try it and see what it does, but I can't be bothered with that
[11:51] <bazhang> looks like they just kept installing various distros, adding swap, admits to not knowing how it got four swap partitions
[17:51] <gav> I believe a user with an outstanding ban just joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:51] <ikonia> which one ?
[17:51] <gav> jubo2
[17:51] <gav> He just joined somehow
[17:51] <ikonia> yup, without his cloak
[17:52] <ikonia> and then identified after
[17:52] <ikonia> thank you, taken care of
[17:52] <gav> Ah, he changed cloak after joining.
[17:52] <gav> Thanks
[19:29] <ikonia> lets see
[19:30] <ikonia> hi Sebastien
[19:30] <ikonia> what's going on ?
[19:30] <Sebastien> hi
[19:30] <ikonia> hi there
[19:30] <Sebastien> well, i said happy new year, and this guy came in pm
[19:30] <Sebastien> http://i.imgur.com/A5jOtUL.png
[19:30] <Sebastien> (screenshot of what he said, and his whois)
[19:31] <ikonia> ok
[19:31] <ikonia> tkogitz: what's going on ?
[19:31] <tkogitz> ikonia: he cursing me.
[19:31] <Sebastien> lol
[19:31] <ikonia> where ?
[19:31] <Sebastien> ya ok
[19:31] <ikonia> Sebastien: hold on please
[19:31] <Sebastien> not really
[19:32] <ikonia> tkogitz: why are you sending people abuse in private messages ?
[19:32] <tkogitz> ikonia: you want messages of all the curses.  Go ahead believe him. Going to go. I don't have to take his shut
[19:41] <ikonia> please take here steamMAD so others can see the conversation
[19:41] <ikonia> I'm asking you to take a screen shot
[19:41] <ikonia> the same way he has
[19:41] <ikonia> i'm not doubting anyone
[19:41] <ikonia> I'm just asking you to take a screen shot to show the conversation
[19:41] <ikonia> you appear to be able to cut and paste the text, so please screen shot it
[19:42] <steamMAD> Android chat can't do that. I think. It's a phone
[19:42] <ikonia> it can
[19:44] <sekrit> hold down the home and screen lock button at the same time
[19:44] <sekrit> oh he left
[19:44] <ikonia> sadly yes
[19:44] <ikonia> sekrit: hello
[19:44] <ikonia> oops
[19:44] <ikonia> cisc: hello
[19:45] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops Sebastien requested in pm to rejoin the channel - refused, saying he was done with the project, probably still made
[19:45] <ikonia> cisc: can we help you
[19:47] <hggdh> happily, it is a new year. I think.
[19:47] <ikonia> yes it is
[22:28] <fishwithapipe> hi guys, please can you remove rosn_ from the #ubuntu channel, spamming me with religious stuff
[22:28] <k1l_> yep saw it. got several clients joined. maybe you want to report to #freenode too
[22:29] <fishwithapipe> cheers guys, happy new year, and back to idling for me :)
[22:38] <k1l_> ok i am done with ilhami again. he can stay out now
[22:41] <k1l_> now blackmailing to evade the ban in pm
[22:42] <k1l_> oh nice. seems like he is already making plans to evade the ban in #freenode
[22:43] <Flannel> How does one make plans in #freenode to evade a ban?
[22:43] <rww> < ilhami> | Well I am too lazy to do it. :)
[22:43] <rww> or not.
[22:46] <rww> he's in #ubuntu-touch too, fun
[22:47] <k1l_> yep. trolling there too
[23:04] <rww> Thoughts on removing tor-sasl bans, since that isn't a thing any more and hasn't been for a while?
[23:04] <ikonia> isn't tor blocked from freenode now anyway ?
[23:04] <rww> that's what i meant by "isn't a thing any more"
[23:04] <rww> i don't expect staff to solve the problems that caused it to be blocked
[23:04] <ikonia> ahh
[23:07] <rww> 4 in -ot, 1 in #u
[23:07] <rww> figured there'd be more, oh well
[23:07] <ikonia> every little helps
[23:07] <rww> we're at about 440/500 in #ubuntu, btw. hence me pondering such things
[23:07] <ikonia> I'll do a clean up
[23:08] <rww> (also i'm bored lol)
[23:08] <ikonia> I had a big list of whack a user the other day which I've got a note to clean up
[23:08] <rww> yeah, there's a few in there i recognize as being the same person over and over again. e.g. the skraito bans could probably be cleaned up
[23:08] <rww> i'll go work on that i think
[23:09] <ikonia> I'll have a good clean up tomorrow with my notes
[23:12] <rww> lol, guess i should deal with my own bans before i poke at the list in general, i have a bunch in BT
[23:13] <k1l_> seems like ubottu is forgetting some durations that are set
[23:22] <rww> @clearban 64966 already removed
[23:22] <rww> @clearban 65365 already removed
[23:22] <rww> @clearban 65364 already removed
[23:22] <rww> @clearban 66499 already removed
[23:23] <rww> @comment 38726, 43814 reviewed 01/01/2016, kept
[23:24] <rww> okay, so multi-ban commenting doesn't actually work, @help's syntax to the contrary :|
[23:28] <rww> @clearban 66855
[23:29] <rww> my ban in #ubuntu-irc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>can go, i don't have privs to remove it now
[23:29] <rww> rest of the bans in there could probably go too, tbh
[23:29] <rww> ditto most of here's


[01:24] <Gartral> having insane serious issues.. cannot boot safely into X period. all it does is loop the ready sound, and my cpu is burning at 60 C.. dont know what too look for, but i know netroot works
[01:27] <BlkDrgn> hello all, im having an issue that i was wondering if anyone else was having too
[01:28] <BlkDrgn> i downloaded and burned to disk the 10.04 beta 2 today, and i cannot boot into it, eithor by "try first" or "install"
[06:28] <m0ar> Reh, after a dist-upgrade Opera uses some wierd, monospace font. It doesn't change when I change the settings :c
[07:32] <bullgard4> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any: "You have searched for files named gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor in suite lucid, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results." But my Lucid computer reports: "Sorry the program gvfs-gdm-volume-monitor closed unexpectedly." What package does...
[07:32] <bullgard4> ...provide this program?
[07:33] <baptistemm> the source package is gvfs
[08:26] <bullgard4>  baptistemm Thank you for you information. --  Why does '~$ ubuntu-bug gvfs' terminate prematurely?
[08:26] <bullgard4> s/you/your/
[08:27] <ddecator> do you get an error when you try to report it?
[08:27] <bullgard4> ddecator: No.
[08:27] <ddecator> of course not, that'd make it too easy =p
[08:28] <ddecator> did you double-check that gvfs is installed?
[08:30] <bullgard4> ddecator: Synaptic shows that it is installed. In addition, the packages gvfs-backends, gvfs-bin, gvfs-fuse are installed too.
[08:30] <bullgard4> In addition, locate shows a file /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor.
[08:31] <baptistemm> bullgard4, does ubuntu-bug reports an error?
[08:31] <bullgard4> baptistemm: No.
[08:31] <ddecator> bullgard4: alright, well if ubuntu-bug won't work for you at all, you can go to Launchpad and file a bug against gvfs there. maybe apport-collect will work after that
[08:38] <benga_> My ubuntu 9.04 freeze wile reading video or streaming from youtub no mouse or keyboard ,please help
[08:39] <ddecator> benga_: what graphics card do you have?
[08:39] <benga_> nvidia 8x
[08:40] <bullgard4> baptistemm, ddecator: I found out that my bug has been reported yet: Launchpad bug #531731. --  (Sorry that there is some glitch 'ubuntu-bug gvfs'.)  --  Thank you very much for your help.
[08:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 531731 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor crashes on login (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 82)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531731
[08:40] <ddecator> bullgard4: np, glad you found it =)
[08:40] <ddecator> benga_: do you have the latest nvidia driver installed?
[08:41] <benga_> yes  96.43 but no work fine
[08:43] <ddecator> does it happen consistently?
[08:44] <benga_> yes 10 minutes reading only
[08:45] <ddecator> hmmm, strange. have you checked launchpad to see if there is a bug filed for that?
[08:45] <benga_> after that it sound like old vinyl disk
[08:47] <benga_> somewhere maybe pulse audio probleme ,
[08:48] <benga_> in lauchpad a searc with video crash give noting
[08:50] <ddecator> 96.43 is the version of the nvidia driver you are using?
[08:51] <benga_> created groups video and audio with my username in them , and nowrk
[08:51] <ddecator> benga_: can you go to System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers and make sure there isn't a new nvidia driver available?
[08:51] <ddecator> newer*
[08:52] <benga_> version is 96 for my grafic driver
[08:53] <ddecator> and that's the newest one shown on there?
[08:53] <benga_> yes
[08:53] <ddecator> hmm..
[08:53] <benga_> i confirm
[08:56] <benga_> in /var/log nothing is wrote there after a hard restart
[08:56] <ddecator> alright, one sec, i'm checking launchpad
[08:57] <benga_> sorry my english is so bad and i am a newby in linx ubuntu
[08:57] <ddecator> benga_: no problem =)
[08:58] <ddecator> i don't see any reports that sound similar to yours. could you file a new report? just open a terminal and run "ubuntu-bug nvidia-graphics-driver-96"
[08:59] <ddecator> ubuntu-bug nvidia-graphics-drivers-96
[08:59] <ddecator> sorry, forgot the extra s
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> hi hi kangoro
[09:00] <ddecator> BUGabundo_remote: i'm getting deja vu =p
[09:00] <benga_> ok i 'll try that , thank you  so much
[09:00] <ddecator> benga_: no problem, sorry we couldn't find a more immediate solution, but hopefully someone will respond to your report soon =)
[09:16] <vish> ddecator: hei , forgot your own bug day huh? ;p
[09:17] <ddecator> vish: i was in classes all day =\
[09:17] <ddecator> i wanted to be here
[09:19] <ddecator> thought about making it a different day of the week, but thursday is what people seem to be used to, haha
[13:31] <baptistemm> hmmm, the installation of lucid server chokes on language-pack-en-base installation, I tested bet2 and using the netboot ...
[13:46] <mina> hi
[13:46] <Guest39308> I upgrded my system to 10.04 and after upgrade my system doesn't boot
[13:48] <Guest39308> anyone can help here?
[13:48] <Guest39308> my system doesn't boot after upgrade to 10.04
[13:48] <Guest39308> should I file a bug?
[13:51] <alvin> Guest39308: Maybe. Don't you get some error?
[14:17] <nigelb> well, good and bad news folks, get ready for the flood.  gnome bug status is getting updated
[14:21] <nigelb> pedro_, anyone in the community working hard on rhythmbox bugs that you know of?
[14:22] <nigelb> I'm looking to handover that responsibility since I'm getting lesser time these days :/
[14:23] <pedro_> nigelb, i know that kamusin has been working on rhythmbox lately, but he's touching lot of products as well
[14:23] <pedro_> kamusin, ^
[14:37] <nigelb> kamusin, can you ping me when you get the time?
[14:37] <kamusin> nigelb, I usually looking rhythmbox (and other gnome applications) reports so I can give you a hand with that :)
[14:38] <nigelb> kamusin, oh, well, that was certainly fast :)
[14:38] <kamusin> hehe sorry I was preparing breakfast :p
[14:38] <nigelb> kamusin, I'm looking for someone to take over my rhythmbox adoption, since I'm a bit short of time and most of it goes for patch review
[14:38] <nigelb> can you take over?
[14:40] <kamusin> sure nigelb ,
[14:41] <nigelb> kamusin, thank you.  I'll write a mail to the mailing list and you can change my name to your name on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage
[14:42] <kamusin> okidoki :)
[14:50] <nigelb> kamusin, mail sent :)
[14:51] <kamusin> wiki updated too
[14:51] <nigelb> awesome! thanks :)
[14:53] <kamusin> no problem nigelb
[15:10] <ia> pedro_: hi! so, what about bug #564137 ? :-)
[15:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 564137 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Notifications [notify-osd] always flicker when fading in (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564137
[15:33] <pedro_> ia, hello! sorry i'm a bit busy atm i'll have a look into it later , thanks for reporting though!
[15:37] <ia> pedro_: ok. btw, if you'll get some clues how to fix that, or how to workaround it, or you'll need some extra info (when you'll get free time), just highlight me or PM me.
[15:39] <Fria_> hello
[15:39] <Fria_> Ubuntu gnome seems to be infected by ghosts
[15:39] <Fria_> windows scroll randomly. Noticed in contacts list of Pidgin, and in the OpenOffice
[15:40] <Fria_> on another, unrelated computer, after upgrade,  Open office went crazy and now renders pages in some unreadable layout, the pages in editor are incorrecly positioned in example moved half-of-page-wiodth to the left
[15:40] <Fria_> what is going on today
[16:24] <WeatherGod> Hi, could somebody set bug 474978 as triaged?
[16:24] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 474978 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Wubi install does not use correct keyboard layout (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/474978
[16:25] <hggdh> WeatherGod: heh? It is set to Invalid
[16:25] <WeatherGod> for Ubuntu, it is invalid, but not for the Wubi project
[16:25] <nigelb> hggdh, only the ubuntu ask
[16:26] <xerosis> is anyone familiar with triaging gnome-power-manager?
[16:26] <hggdh> yes... WeatherGod what is the Importance?
[16:26] <WeatherGod> turns out if you use mix language and keyboard setups in Windows, wubi gets confused
[16:26] <nigelb> hm, strange, I can change importance for wubi? wonder why
[16:26] <WeatherGod> well, no loss of data, but it is a very non-obvious bug
[16:27] <WeatherGod> people originally thought it was something wrong with the login system and gave up on Ubuntu
[16:27] <nigelb> hggdh, you're able to set to triaged and set importance on the wubi task?
[16:28] <hggdh> nigelb: no, Wubi (as set) is upstream
[16:28] <nigelb> hggdh, I did wonder :)
[16:28] <hggdh> so this is as far as we (under Ubuntu) can go.
[16:29] <hggdh> WeatherGod: could you check if it still happens on Lucid?
[16:29] <WeatherGod> I don't have a windows install to try it out
[16:29] <hggdh> heh. Neither do I...
[16:29] <nigelb> how geeky we are :D
[16:29] <hggdh> WeatherGod: we cannot change the Wubi task, since it is not an Ubuntu task
[16:30] <WeatherGod> heh
[16:30] <WeatherGod> so, just leave it as confirmed then, I guess?
[16:30]  * WeatherGod waves at micahg
[16:30] <micahg> hi WeatherGod
[16:31] <hggdh> WeatherGod: indeed
[16:31] <WeatherGod> ok
[16:31] <WeatherGod> also, while I am in here...
[16:32] <WeatherGod> with reference to compiz freezing issues...
[16:32] <WeatherGod> the LiveCD versions of Karmic came with some desktop effects turned on by default
[16:32] <WeatherGod> yet, for those whose graphics cards are freezing on those, this poses a big issue
[16:33] <WeatherGod> should the LiveCD come with desktop effects turned off?
[16:34] <davmor2> WeatherGod: Wubi gets it's keyboard layout from your Windows install
[16:35] <WeatherGod> davmor2: what I have noticed is that the reporters' screennames seemed german to me
[16:35] <WeatherGod> dunno if that is a clue
[16:35] <WeatherGod> but, it seemed like they were using English as the language, but German for the keyboard layout
[16:36] <WeatherGod> the report is fairly old, so I don't know what the situation was for the OR
[16:40] <davmor2> WeatherGod: ago or evand normally pick them up as the main wubi devs so just leave it as is for now.
[16:41] <WeatherGod> davmor2: np
[16:51] <jcastro> vish, ping
[16:52] <vish> jcastro: hi
[16:52] <jcastro> vish, you've got mail!
[16:53] <vish> jcastro: just noticed , awesome thanks :)
[18:35] <Fria_> random windows in GNOME scroll randomly... what the...
[18:35] <Fria_> is this a known problem?
[18:35] <Fria_> all was fine since today or so. (Upgraded the system recently). 9.10 amd64
[18:37] <Fria_> for example, Open Office always scrolls to top (or to cursor position) when saving / auto-saving
[18:37] <Fria_> and pidgin contacts window scrolls randomly up/down
[21:28] <cwillu> that's odd:  having xchat open (not minimized, but not necessarily visible) causes compiz and xorg's cpu usage to go to about 25% each (vs ~3% at idle)
[21:30] <David-T> they're just understandably stressed by your awful choice of irc client :)
[21:39] <cwillu> right, let me get right on switching to empathy :p
[21:41] <BUGabundo> naaa
[21:41] <BUGabundo> swich to pidgin :)
[21:41]  * BUGabundo dies
[21:43]  * micahg has empathy for BUGabundo and sends a pidgin to resurrect him
[21:43]  * micahg runs and hides
[21:43]  * BUGabundo pings micahg tail to the ground
[21:43] <BUGabundo> where did I left my handy hammer ?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> ahh I lend it to yofel_
[21:56] <trijntje> Hi all, I need some help diagnosing a problem on my pc. It completely locks up when the X server is restarted, but I cant find any usefull logs, is there someting else i should be trying?
[22:01] <joaopinto> trijntje, are you sure it's during X startup ?
[22:01] <joaopinto> trijntje, did you check /var/log/gdm/* ?
[22:03] <trijntje> joaopinto: I think its during the shutdown of X, no problems during startup
[22:05] <joaopinto> ah, shutdown
[22:07] <trijntje> yes, I found it because some old game in wine makes X crash, or that's my guess. Hard to tell when the system is not responding
[22:16] <bdmurray> thekorn: can you +1 bug 552953?
[22:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 552953 in python-launchpad-bugs (Ubuntu) "launchpadbugs should be deprecated or removed from ubuntu (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552953
[22:49] <xteejx> Good evening all!
[22:54] <xteejx> !help
[22:54] <ubot4`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[22:55] <xteejx> !help | xteejx
[22:55] <ubot4`> xteejx, please see my private message
[22:55] <xteejx> Hmmm, empathy sound bug still there, no sound events for anything
[22:56] <xteejx> bug 559532
[22:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 559532 in empathy (Ubuntu) "[lucid] empathy does not make any sounds when set to (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/559532
[23:31] <sandberg> persia: Found out what causes the bug I talked about yesterday (bug #423252). Turns out that libgcrypt (used by GnuTLS) drops privileges after doing a secure memory allocation. :(
[23:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 423252 in sudo (Kairos Linux) (and 13 other projects) "NSS using LDAP on Karmic breaks 'su' and 'sudo' (affects: 26) (heat: 202)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423252


[05:56] <Kilos> morning all
[05:57] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[05:57] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[05:57] <Kilos> hmm... no bloep
[06:03] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[06:04] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[06:32] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:32] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[06:32]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[06:32] <superfly> good morning Kilos
[06:32] <superfly> welcome back
[06:32] <Kilos> ty
[06:33] <Kilos> Cannot read sound file:
[06:33] <Kilos> /usr/share/sounds/bell.ogg
[06:33] <Kilos> ive messed up
[06:34] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[06:34] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[06:35] <Kilos> w000t
[06:35]  * Kilos needs to read lots more before i can give fluxbox a good run
[06:36] <magespawn> good day all
[06:36] <magespawn> morning Kilos
[06:37] <Kilos> get xchat working there and bottom panel is gone sigh
[06:37] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:37] <magespawn> is the file corrupt, missing or are the permissions not correct?
[06:38] <Kilos> nope on flux i tried the external sound route and messed up
[06:38] <Kilos> lost sound here on unity as well
[06:38] <magespawn> can you sort it or is this another install case?
[06:39] <Kilos> ive got sound working here again so will get help when i go back to flux
[06:41] <magespawn> do you document all that you do?
[06:42] <Kilos> lotsa funny name things in there and ticked some wrong ones then lost the panel where you change workspaces. xchat full screen
[06:42] <Kilos> im gonna get info from googling
[06:46] <Kilos> also on flux i cant find where to see whats on a flash
[06:46] <Kilos> but ill get there
[06:48] <magespawn> is there not a file manager like dolphin?
[06:49] <Kilos> there lotsa stuff
[06:49] <Kilos> most i dont know whats what yet
[06:50] <Kilos> oh the panel is called a taskbar
[06:51] <superfly> Kilos: fluxbox is actually pretty simple.
[06:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:51] <magespawn> morning superfly
[06:51] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[07:28]  * mazal loer in
[07:29] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:29] <Kilos> jou maaitjie het nie weer terug gekom nie
[07:29] <mazal> hmm
[07:29] <mazal> Wonner hoekom
[07:29] <Kilos> ?
[07:29] <mazal> Sal hom bk message wanneer ek kansie kry
[07:32] <mazal> Maybe he is one of those people who don't like irc
[07:32] <mazal> I know many people don't
[07:32] <Kilos> i dunno we actually had quiet a chat
[07:32] <Kilos> maybe he is sukkeling with unity
[07:33] <mazal> Or it is going better than expected and he don't need help hehehe
[07:33] <Kilos> hehe
[07:33] <mazal> Ubuntu do have the knack sometimes to just work
[07:33] <Kilos> yeah
[07:34] <mazal> For me 13.04 for example was very good so far. Simply didn't have any issues yet. Apart from the ATI thing
[07:35] <Kilos> ah
[07:35] <mazal> It hates ATI lol
[07:35] <mazal> Or ATI hates it
[07:36] <Kilos> graphics card?
[07:36] <mazal> Yep
[07:36] <Kilos> ya ubuntu seems to prefer nvidia
[07:36] <mazal> I found that out the hard way
[07:37] <mazal> Fortunate for things like imaging
[07:41] <superfly> ATI hates Linux
[07:42] <tonberryE352> ATI and NVIDIA are very competitive over how much they hate Linux
[07:44] <Kilos> lol
[07:46] <Kilos> so hows tonberryE352 today
[07:46] <mazal> sjoe
[07:48] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[07:52] <Kilos> weird how weather man says we gonna be 5°c but everything is ice in the morning
[07:53] <Kilos> have they changed how thermometers read temps
[08:02] <charl> good morning
[08:02] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:02]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:03] <Kilos> hi cvharl
[08:04] <Kilos> charl, too
[08:04] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[08:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:06] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:06] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:07] <Kilos> mazal, did you document how you got ati working there?
[08:08] <mazal> Is easy Kilos , removed ati card , installed Nvidia card
[08:08] <Kilos> lol
[08:09] <mazal> I was in no way in the mood to struggle for days on end just to get the graphics working
[08:09] <mazal> I saw those threads , and no way , don't have the time for all that
[08:09] <Kilos> its actually a shame
[08:10] <mazal> Lucky for me I always keep 1 spare of almost everything , and my spare card was nvidia
[08:10] <Kilos> lekker
[08:10] <Kilos> find some windows okey and swop the ati card for another nvidia card
[08:10] <mazal> Ya we that is so far from shops have learned to keep a spare of most important things cos we can't go and buy new one quick
[08:11] <Kilos> ya
[08:11] <mazal> I just need spare wi-fi router still. Have a spare but doesn't have wi-fi
[08:12] <Kilos> ah
[08:12] <mazal> I even ordered my new computer with a second hdd , but not connected. Just sitting there lol
[08:12] <Kilos> you get wifi there?
[08:12] <Kilos> wow
[08:12] <mazal> Internal in my flat I use wi-fi
[08:12] <mazal> For my ps3's
[08:12] <Kilos> ah
[08:13] <mazal> So in emergency my pc wil work , but not my ps3's
[08:13] <mazal> I watch cartoons and docies in them using the ps as media server
[08:14] <Kilos> ah
[08:14] <mazal> Ish what is that replace thing again ?
[08:14] <mazal> */ps/pc
[08:14] <mazal> Is see my spelling is lekke in the ball again today :-P
[08:15] <mazal> on even , nee man !!
[08:15] <Kilos> hehe
[08:15] <mazal> maaz koffie !! Vinnig
[08:15] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[08:16] <mazal> Maaz don't be sorry be careful
[08:16] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz, koffie
[08:17] <Maaz> Vra in engels man Kilos
[08:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:17]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:21] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:21] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:29] <mazal> Raak ook elke dag al hoe meer cheeky :-)
[08:32] <Kilos> hehe
[08:42] <Vince-0> heyo
[08:43] <superfly> ohi Vince-0
[08:44] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:48] <Vince-0> yaawannn, is it Friday eve yet
[08:48] <Kilos> hehe
[08:48] <Vince-0> and that's not something a Dirtbinite would usually say
[08:48] <Kilos> only one day to go
[09:10] <magespawn> ai, and that on a three day week
[09:11] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:12] <Kilos> too much jolling
[09:21] <charl> hi magespawn
[09:21] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:21] <charl> hi Vince-0
[09:21] <charl> hi superfly
[09:21] <charl> hi mazal
[09:21] <magespawn> hi charl
[09:21] <Kilos> yo charl ey
[09:25] <superfly> hi charl
[09:25] <Vince-0> haai
[10:30] <HecticZA> Afternoon :)
[10:30] <Kilos> hi HecticZA wb
[10:30] <HecticZA> Thx Kilos. :)
[10:30] <Kilos> yo winning?
[10:30] <Kilos> you
[10:31] <Kilos> mazal, ping
[10:31] <Kilos> ^^
[10:31] <HecticZA> Not really. I have been going through some sites that Maz recommended and I did pick up some more info. I have a couple of questions?
[10:32] <Kilos> weel if you got probs ask here and someone will help you
[10:32] <Kilos> well
[10:32] <Kilos> we are here to help
[10:37] <HecticZA> I downloaded the LTS and versions. I tried to put 4 on a flash drive via Unetbootin, but my pc does not want to boot with it. I then tried 13.04 on a rewritable dvd. It did boot, but with lots of errors and when it did eventually boot it was basically non responsive and I had to reboot pc. Can I test the size of the dl somewhere? I could not find the checksum on the site, I probably missed it.
[10:38] <Kilos> oh my
[10:39] <Kilos> can you write the 12.04 to a dvd
[10:39] <Kilos> and try install that . you can come online from the live dvd and we can help you with the install
[10:39] <HecticZA> I will try a bit later. Is it okay to use a rewritable dvd?
[10:40] <Kilos> some peeps say they not to good but i dunno
[10:40] <Kilos> should be unless its been used over and over i spose
[10:40] <HecticZA> Okay will see if I can find a normal dvd
[10:41] <Kilos> where are you HecticZA
[10:41] <Kilos> maybe someone close has a dvd for you
[10:41] <HecticZA> I'm in a small town called Kirkwood, about 80km from PE
[10:41] <inetpro> Kilos: goeie more
[10:41] <inetpro> good afternoon everyone
[10:41] <HecticZA> Hi there inetpro .
[10:42] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[10:42] <inetpro> hi HecticZA
[10:42] <Kilos> oh my goodness thats far but we might have someone in the area
[10:43] <Kilos> i dont know how windows burns isos to dvd
[10:43] <Kilos> inetpro, kan jy hom help bietjie?
[10:44] <HecticZA> Is there a way I can compare the checksum size?
[10:44] <HecticZA> Telkom is a bit iffy atm and I have various download sizes
[10:44] <Kilos> lets hear from the guys. my iso downloads have all worked first time
[10:45] <Kilos> oh my
[10:45] <Kilos> i have the dvds here that i downloaded so can put one in and see what size i get
[10:48] <HecticZA> Okay thx. All my other distros worked okay, but these last 2 have been a problem, but I'm pretty sure it is a Telkom issue.
[10:48] <Kilos> i get 832.6 meg for 13.04
[10:50] <Kilos> cant rememeber where i put the 12.04.2 iso
[10:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:50] <HecticZA> I also have 1 for 832.6 and others for 550 and 734MB. I did burn the 832.6, but the checksum could still be wrong.
[10:51] <Kilos> 734 sounds right
[10:51] <HecticZA> I will try the LTS version a bit later
[10:51] <HecticZA> All 3 of those were for the 13.04 version
[10:52] <Kilos> oh my
[10:52] <Kilos> you need to rev telkom a bit
[10:52] <kbmonkey> hello
[10:52] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[10:53] <kbmonkey> taking a 15 minute break. yey
[10:53] <HecticZA> They are busy with updates and have been struggling the last few weeks.
[10:53] <Kilos> eish
[10:53] <Kilos> the lts should be 733m or a bit above if i remember right
[10:54] <HecticZA> It is especially the Cape Town ICP that is strugeling, but at times the Rosebank one as well, so everybody is complaining atm
[10:54] <kbmonkey> HecticZA, you should be able to use the md5sum command to compare a .iso if it downloaded correctly
[10:54] <Kilos> did you download with a download manager
[10:54] <inetpro> hmm...
[10:54] <HecticZA> My LTS is 693 and yes I did
[10:54]  * inetpro goes to read the backlogs
[10:55] <Kilos> he is still on windows guys
[10:55] <kbmonkey> you get md5sum for windows :)
[10:55] <HecticZA> Yes kbmonkey , but where do I find the correct size to compare to?
[10:56] <HecticZA> I have Windows and Linux. I'm running on Peppermint 3 atm on this pc
[10:56] <inetpro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[10:56] <Kilos> oh then you can do downloads with wget on mint
[10:57] <inetpro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[10:58] <inetpro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[10:58] <kbmonkey> HecticZA, see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[10:58] <kbmonkey> there are md5sums on that site
[10:58] <HecticZA> Thx for all the links. Busy checking them out
[10:58] <kbmonkey> just navigate to the version you want :)
[10:59] <kbmonkey> so from Peppermint you can run `md5sum -c MD5SUMS` from the same directory where your iso and that MD5SUMS file live
[11:00] <kbmonkey> it will warn you of the sums of the files you do not have, by the way
[11:00] <Kilos> if he is on peppermint he can wget "link" and wget -c to continue a broken download
[11:01] <kbmonkey> Kilos, is getting too clever!
[11:01] <Kilos> i love wget
[11:01] <Kilos> havent had one bad iso download with it
[11:08] <kbmonkey> alright, my break is over. bye :/
[11:08] <Kilos> toods kbmonkey
[11:08] <Kilos> be good
[11:08] <HecticZA> Okay it seems my LTS version checksum is correct, but the 13.04 is corrupted
[11:08] <Kilos> use the lts
[11:08] <HecticZA> Thx kbmonkey
[11:09] <HecticZA> Okay will try it a bit later Kilos.  I'm in for the long haul. If I'm not here, it is because I'm busy with something
[11:11] <mazal> Hectic my ou vriend !!
[11:11] <Kilos> cool
[11:12] <HecticZA> So true, but Telkom said most of the issues will be fixed after this weekends updates.  GT6 moet kom
[11:15] <mazal> HecticZA, where you live ?
[11:15] <HecticZA> Kirkwood, naby PE
[11:15] <HecticZA> Plaas dorpie.    Must go.  Mostly GT5 on PS3
[11:36] <Kilos> haha
[11:36] <Kilos> i didnt even know there was such a thing
[11:36] <mazal> Don't laugh oom. Serious bussness that
[11:37] <mazal> Racing wheels , racing seats , pedals. Sim style software
[11:37] <Kilos> i thought you had to have handle bars or steering wheel in hand to race
[11:37] <mazal> I had a very nice setup with racing seat and wheel and pedals
[11:37] <Kilos> hehe
[11:38] <Kilos> business
[11:38] <mazal> There's clubs and leagues and all
[11:38] <Kilos> wow
[11:38] <mazal> Yah
[11:38] <mazal> We had club championships whole year round
[11:38] <mazal> And the telkom DO guys frequently have Do gaming leagues
[11:38] <Kilos> lol
[11:38] <Kilos> new world
[11:39] <Kilos> i did it the hard expensive way
[11:39] <mazal> The virtual 24 Hour Le mans is coming up also
[11:39] <Kilos> wow
[11:39] <mazal> Guys from all over doing the 24 hour Le Mans virtually. Teams and all and all
[11:40] <Kilos> i want an audi turbo diesel for that
[11:40] <mazal> And PD ( GT5 manufacturer ) runs their own league every year
[11:40] <Kilos> whew
[11:40] <mazal> And the top few guys in each country get's invited to track days in real life
[11:40] <mazal> Top 3 there get's offered real racing contracts
[11:40] <Kilos> great
[11:40] <mazal> And wins a car like the new AMG
[11:41] <Kilos> wow
[11:41] <Kilos> big bucks that
[11:41] <mazal> There is 3 ex-gt5 boys racing in real life now in various leagues in the world
[11:41] <Kilos> amg=mercedes hey
[11:41] <mazal> Yep
[11:42] <mazal> So ya , it's for fun , but also vary serious at the same time hehehe
[11:42] <mazal> One of our SA guys made it through to the top 100 track day in real life event last year
[11:42] <Kilos> nice
[11:43] <mazal> Dunno if he actually went and how he did , I quit the "sport" before then
[11:43] <Kilos> but kids will be tops with all that stuff
[11:43] <mazal> Nope they don't make it
[11:43] <Kilos> oh my
[11:43] <mazal> GT5 is heavily sim style
[11:44] <mazal> The cars and physics is very close to real life
[11:44] <Kilos> ah some experience needed
[11:44] <mazal> That's why you need a wheel and pedals and seat to do well
[11:44] <mazal> The small kid's don't do to well on it
[11:44] <Kilos> wow
[11:45] <mazal> In our SA community all were senior guys , youngest was something like 23
[11:45] <mazal> Ya it's not arcade style button bashing
[11:45] <Kilos> lol thats a kid to me
[11:45] <mazal> You actually need skill
[11:46] <mazal> And the regulations are very strict as well
[11:47] <Kilos> hmm
[11:49] <Kilos> closest i got to motor sport on a pc was playing sbk
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey peeps
[11:49] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> all good that side?
[11:50] <Kilos> good ty
[11:50] <Kilos> not really its winter here
[11:50] <Kilos> only summer is really good
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah cooling down and sky turning gloomy down here again
[11:53] <Kilos> ai!
[12:10] <trender> ahoy anybody alive ??
[12:11] <Kilos> ya
[12:13] <charl> i can't believe it i have 179MB of old kernels in my /boot
[12:15] <charl> what i have 699MB of old kernel sources in my /usr/src this is criminal
[12:16] <charl> oh no i have 1.1GB of old kernels in /lib/modules
[12:16] <charl> this is terrible how did ubuntu get this bloated
[12:16] <charl> please clean up your old kernels
[12:16] <tonberryE352> you can manually uninstall them
[12:16] <tonberryE352> but I agree there should be some script or option
[12:16] <tonberryE352> keep x old kernels
[12:16] <charl> this should be the default, only last two versions of the kernel
[12:17] <mazal> Bye everyone
[12:17] <tonberryE352> you cannot reasonably expect a new ubuntu user to go and hunt down old kernel versions in a package manager
[12:18] <trender> anybody know if those sata to ide converters are any good with new drives ?????????????#!@##$@#$!@#%$%^%^&
[12:23] <charl> tonberryE352: exactly
[12:23] <charl> tonberryE352: what typically happens is that old versions of the kernel accumulate in /boot and eventually fills up the boot partition
[12:23] <charl> tonberryE352: the boot partition, by default, not being very large
[12:24] <charl> and let's face it, there are so frequently new kernel updates, this will happen sooner than later for anyone who keeps their system up to date
[12:25] <charl> trender: new... ide drives? didn't realise they still sell ide drives
[12:26] <tonberryE352> i suspect new big sata drives will give problems if you convert to IDE
[12:26] <trender> asking about sata to ide converters
[12:26] <charl> wait which way around
[12:26] <charl> sata to the motherboard and ide to the drive?
[12:26] <charl> that's how i understood it
[12:26] <trender> ide on the mb sata on the drive
[12:26] <tonberryE352> i suspect old ide motherboard with new sata drives
[12:27] <charl> ah i see, ok that makes more sense
[12:27] <Kilos> methinks he is talking about putting a sata/ide adapter onto an ide socket on the motherboard
[12:27] <trender> need to know if those sata converters are any good for new sata drives
[12:28] <Kilos> i tried ians one on my old p4 with no sata sockets and it worked well
[12:28] <trender> i hate throwing away money
[12:28] <tonberryE352> I am unsure what the drive size limit is on IDE
[12:28] <tonberryE352> but I doubt 2tb or 3tb would work
[12:29] <trender> well thats what im trying to do
[12:29] <Kilos> i put ians 2tb drive onto my ide pc
[12:29] <charl> drive size limit? why would there be a limit on the drive size?
[12:29]  * tonberryE352 shrugs
[12:29] <tonberryE352> systems tend to have limits
[12:29] <charl> i thought there were terabyte drives in the ide days
[12:30] <charl> but yeah i never used any of them so i have no clue sorry
[12:30] <Kilos> biggest ive seen is 500gB
[12:30] <Kilos> google will know more
[12:30] <tonberryE352> I do know some ide to usb converts do not like 2tb drives
[12:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think IDE drives topped out at about 750GB
[12:30] <trender> i dont want to buy 100x 3Tb drives and end up with 100 lemons that wont convert to IDE
[12:30] <tonberryE352> but that was a funny pata sata usb thingy
[12:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that was right at the end of IDE's life
[12:31] <tonberryE352> buy one and check
[12:31] <trender> seems like the only way
[12:32] <trender> ah well
[12:33] <tonberryE352> prototyping is expensive
[12:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> interesting history lesson on the topic of size limits: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html
[12:43] <Kilos> times have changed hey
[12:44] <Kilos> i remember on win 95 i thought a 2G drive was massive
[12:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> my first PC had 2GB
[12:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> and an enormous 32MB of RAM
[12:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> in a laptop no less
[12:45] <Kilos> 'lol ya
[12:45] <Kilos> mine was 420 meg i think
[12:45] <Kilos> also 23m ram
[12:45] <Kilos> 32
[12:46] <Kilos> now 1.5g of ram is too min
[12:50] <Squirm> hi
[12:50] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[13:27] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:27] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:28] <magespawn> trender i have that the converters work but there is a serious loss of performance
[13:29] <magespawn> ^found
[13:31] <charl> ciao all
[13:35] <trender> thanks performance is no concern to me it just needs to work
[15:27] <magespawn> good night all
[16:31] <Cantide> good evening, oom Kilos :p
[16:32] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[17:07] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[17:24] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[17:52] <inetpro> ehlo
[17:53] <Kilos> hiya inetpro
[17:53] <Kilos> koud ne
[17:53] <inetpro> baie
[18:09] <psychicist> hi inetpro
[18:16] <inetpro> hi psychicist
[18:17]  * inetpro crying
[18:17] <Kilos> why
[18:17] <inetpro> need to go for a long trip this weekend and one of my tyres has a small bubble
[18:18] <inetpro> brand new tyre that the previous owner put in for me
[18:18] <inetpro> tyres*
[18:18] <Kilos> eish
[18:18] <inetpro> hit a bad pothole
[18:18] <Kilos> have a gator put in
[18:18] <inetpro> now I'm worried to drive long distance like this
[18:19] <Kilos> its a thick patch they stick inside
[18:19] <inetpro> hmm... sounds like a cool idea
[18:19] <Kilos> all my ideas are cool
[18:20] <inetpro> will go to the tyre place tomorrow
[18:20] <Kilos> hehe
[18:20] <inetpro> damn tyres are expensive these days
[18:20] <Kilos> you will see the gator is thick and strong
[18:20] <Kilos> just need to balance that wheel after
[18:20] <Kilos> what isnt
[18:21] <inetpro> thing is my wife went there this week and they said they can't fix it
[18:22] <Kilos> but you still riding it like that
[18:22] <Kilos> then it must be able to take a gator
[18:23] <inetpro> well the bubble is not big but it's there, on the side wall
[18:23] <Kilos> must work with a gator in
[18:25] <Kilos> i did that often
[18:32] <inetpro> thanks Kilos, you make me feel lots better
[18:32] <inetpro> let's hope they fix it with a gator for me
[18:32] <Kilos> good
[18:32] <Kilos> tyres cost big buck
[18:32] <Kilos> s
[18:33] <inetpro> these tyres the guy put on are like the most expensive that you can get
[18:33] <inetpro> don't think I will be able to sustain that
[18:34] <inetpro> Copper Discoverer
[18:34] <inetpro> Cooper*
[18:34] <inetpro> 4x4 tyres
[18:35] <Kilos> ai!
[18:36] <Kilos> start buying one at a time
[18:36] <Kilos> tyres actually mature with age and get stronger
[18:36] <Kilos> or they used to anyway
[18:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on'
[18:59] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[18:59] <Kilos> sigh
[19:00] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:00]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[19:00] <Kilos> tiwt bot cant even see typos
[19:00] <Kilos> twit
[19:03]  * Cantide is sipping coffee :)
[19:03]  * Cantide shares
[19:03] <Kilos> ty ty
[19:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:04] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:04] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:05] <Cantide> night Kilos 'o'


[04:22] <nisshh> humphreybc: ping
[04:26]  * nisshh thinks humphreybc is ignoring him... :)
[04:28] <humphreybc> nisshh: wazzup?
[04:29] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc ignores everyone. don't take it personally, nisshh. :)
[04:29] <humphreybc> godbyk-sagan: where are my translated editions?
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> who knows?
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> i just got off the train today.
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> tomorrow's a holiday, so I'll have to do family stuff.
[04:31] <humphreybc> excuses excuses :P
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> then monday, I drive back home.
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> :)
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: I s'pose you could always step in and take over for me. ;-)
[04:31] <humphreybc> pah! I have enough to do as it is!
[04:31] <godbyk-sagan> heh.
[04:32] <godbyk-sagan> did we get a USLC meeting scheduled?
[04:32] <humphreybc> dunno, i'm staying out of that
[04:33] <godbyk-sagan> ah.
[04:33] <godbyk-sagan> I just saw some of the emails flying by.
[04:33] <godbyk-sagan> Haven't had time to read the thread yet.
[04:33] <godbyk-sagan> I have a lot of catching up to do. :-/
[04:34] <humphreybc> join the club
[04:34] <godbyk-sagan> you still have school stuff?
[04:34] <humphreybc> nah, i've been doing other ubuntu things during these holidays
[04:34] <humphreybc> lots of mockups for sites and themes and shit
[04:35] <nisshh> humphreybc: your alive!
[04:35] <humphreybc> need to write some more OMG! Ubuntu! articles
[04:35] <godbyk-sagan> gotcha.
[04:35] <humphreybc> USLC is but a dream right now
[04:35] <godbyk-sagan> we'll get there someday.
[04:35] <humphreybc> I need to get on to those quickstart booklets
[04:35] <humphreybc> yeah, eventually
[04:36] <nisshh> humphreybc: i was just going to ask you what the hell is going on with the various projects and stuff lately, check the ML for lukes post
[04:36] <humphreybc> nisshh: yes I saw
[04:36] <godbyk-sagan> yeah, what quick-start booklets are you wanting to do?
[04:36] <humphreybc> godbyk-sagan: probably start with an installation one just to get the format and stuff down
[04:36] <humphreybc> nisshh: what do you want to know?
[04:36] <humphreybc> I've been planning on doing an update email for the team
[04:36] <nisshh> humphreybc: oh good
[04:36] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: there was some chatter a while back on the ubuntu-docs mailing list about an 'installing ubuntu' guide.
[04:37] <humphreybc> godbyk-sagan: course there was
[04:37] <godbyk-sagan> they were looking at just reusing our chapter as a start. not sure if anyone got anywhere with it or not.
[04:37] <humphreybc> probably not
[04:37] <godbyk-sagan> i haven't seen anything about it lately.
[04:37] <humphreybc> if I had a dollar for every time someone suggested something that wasn't done in that list...
[04:37] <humphreybc> at least they're not as bad as ayatana though
[04:37] <nisshh> i know iv been doing other stuff lately but i want to know whats happening with stuff like the learning centre and what is and isnt going in the 10.10 manual and whatnot
[04:37] <godbyk-sagan> (It bothers me that the right Shift key on my laptop doesn't work too well.  Means 'I' doesn't get capitalized as often as it should.)
[04:38] <humphreybc> nisshh: learning center is still a concept and under planning, probably won't happen for some time
[04:38] <nisshh> humphreybc: right
[04:38] <godbyk-sagan> the ayatana list has been pretty noisy the past few months. I've gotten to the point where I don't bother to read the threads because i don't have enough time to participate anyway.
[04:38] <humphreybc> 10.10 manual will basically be the same as 10.04 with a few chapters removed, and a couple of extra sections added plus of course updated screenshots
[04:38] <humphreybc> yeah, I don't read the shit in the ayatana mailing list
[04:38] <nisshh> hehe, ok
[04:39] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: we'll need to update the 10.10 manual to include all the new default apps, for instance.
[04:39] <humphreybc> btw, i'm applying for membership on tuesday in #ubuntu-meeting at 1000 UTC, if anyone wants to show up and support me :)
[04:40] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: ah yea, i forgot about shotwell and that other one i cant remember
[04:40] <nisshh> humphreybc: ill be your cheer squad!
[04:40] <humphreybc> :)
[04:40] <humphreybc> i'm slowly working through all my post it notes
[04:41] <humphreybc> oh yeah, I want to change our team name, btw
[04:41] <nisshh> humphreybc: be great if we could find something for me to do now that im on mid year break for a few weeks
[04:41] <humphreybc> nisshh: fix bugs, start figuring out what's new in maverick and make a list of stuff we need to change/add/remove for 10.10 manual
[04:42] <humphreybc> install maverick alpha 2 in a virtualbox and list shit in an etherpad
[04:42] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea, the problem with making a list now is stuff will change since its only alpha 2 :)
[04:42] <humphreybc> well, go into #ubuntu-desktop and pester the shit out of Rick and the gang to figure out what's going to stay the same
[04:43] <nisshh> hehe, yea ill start with that
[04:43] <humphreybc> also, find out what's happening with their developers manual
[04:43] <humphreybc> and ask if they need any help
[04:43] <nisshh> right
[04:43] <humphreybc> and help godbyk get translations out ASAP
[04:43] <humphreybc> like, this week
[04:43] <nisshh> yea
[04:43] <nisshh> are there lots of finished ones are there?
[04:43] <humphreybc> i'll be around a bit more this week
[04:44] <humphreybc> I think german, galician, english UK, spanish are done?
[04:44] <humphreybc> at least
[04:44] <nisshh> i know the german one has been sitting there for like a month now
[04:44] <godbyk-sagan> the only ones I've had contact with recently are german and greek.
[04:44] <humphreybc> okay, well, sort out what needs to be fixed for them, hunt down the right people and release them
[04:44] <godbyk-sagan> i think the english uk, galician, etc. are still being edited.
[04:45] <humphreybc> and start brainstorming a new name for our team
[04:45] <humphreybc> maybe changing for maverick, or maverick +1
[04:45] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: what kind of new name are you thinking about?
[04:46] <humphreybc> something that is better than our current one
[04:46] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: as in, what should it encompass? what's wrong with the existing name, etc.?
[04:46] <humphreybc> current name was only meant to be temporary
[04:46] <godbyk-sagan> oops. :)
[04:46] <humphreybc> well, for one, very soon we won't just be making manuals
[04:46] <humphreybc> and it's a shit name, not original, not catchy, far too literal and doesn't embody everything we do. it's also too long.
[04:47] <humphreybc> i have one or two ideas for new ones, but i'm still mulling
[04:47] <godbyk-sagan> i see.
[04:47] <nisshh> hmmm
[04:47] <nisshh> humphreybc: what are your ideas on the name so far, maybe ill get inspired
[04:47] <nisshh> :)
[04:48] <humphreybc> so I looked at what we do
[04:48] <humphreybc> and we create materials and programs that aid us in making materials to _help users_
[04:48] <humphreybc> we're a support team, right?
[04:48] <nisshh> technically yes
[04:48] <humphreybc> so I started looking up the words "help" and "support" in different languages
[04:48] <humphreybc> you know, because "Project Help" or "Project Support" is a bit gay
[04:48] <nisshh> very gay
[04:49] <humphreybc> anyway, the Maori word for "help" is "Awhina" (pronounced "ow-feena")
[04:49] <humphreybc> Project Awhina
[04:49] <humphreybc> or, the spanish translation of help is "Ayuda"
[04:49] <humphreybc> Project Ayuda
[04:49] <godbyk-sagan> Then you have to tackle the pronunciation issues.
[04:49] <humphreybc> but that's about all I have
[04:49] <nisshh> urh
[04:49] <godbyk-sagan> (that's the major downside of foreign words... people mispronouncing them all the time.)
[04:50] <humphreybc> godbyk-sagan: I don't think that's a huge issue, Ubuntu has pronunciation issues
[04:50] <humphreybc> anyway, something to think about
[04:50] <nisshh> thats true
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> yeah.
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> oo-boon-too.  it's just that simple. :)
[04:50] <humphreybc> I don't think they're particularly good
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> not oo-bun-too.
[04:50]  * humphreybc says oo-bun-too
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> not uh-bun-too.
[04:50] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc is wrong. :)
[04:51] <humphreybc> i know
[04:51] <humphreybc> anyway, i gotta boot into windows and do some work
[04:51] <godbyk-sagan> boo!
[04:51] <nisshh> i know people who say U-bunt-u
[04:51] <nisshh> yuck!
[04:51] <humphreybc> i'll be back on IRC in a sec
[04:51] <humphreybc> windows 7 is actually pretty nice
[04:51] <godbyk-sagan> 'kay.
[04:52] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: did humphreybc just say that windows is NICE!?
[04:52] <godbyk-sagan> sounded like it to me.
[04:52] <godbyk-sagan> but he clings to photoshop, too. ;-)
[04:52]  * nisshh hides
[04:52] <nisshh> yea
[04:55] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: Ssh! He's back!
[04:56] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: aaaaahhhhhh ruuunnnn!
[04:59] <humphreybc> ...
[04:59] <godbyk-sagan> humphreybc: nothing. ;-)
[05:00]  * nisshh is still running away...
[05:01] <nisshh> now this is what i call a bit paranoid: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/ubuntu-1010-countdown-script-lets-you.html
[05:03] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: yeah, I don't need to know that every time I log in. thanks, anyway.
[05:03] <godbyk-sagan> well, guys, I think I'm going to go to bed and read for a while.
[05:03] <godbyk-sagan> I didn't get much sleep on the train.
[05:06] <nisshh> ok fair enough, i dont want to use that script either tbh, i can count :)
[05:10] <nisshh> humphreybc: http://typewith.me/h2Y9bitvCI
[05:11] <nisshh> if you can think of any more changes that have happened please add them
[05:11] <humphreybc> i don't think banshee is going to replace rhythmbox
[05:11] <nisshh> i will install maverick a2 today
[05:11] <humphreybc> and the global menu won't be in the desktop, just netbook (for now)
[05:11] <nisshh> humphreybc: i dont either but i just put it there
[05:11] <nisshh> ah ok
[05:12] <nisshh> humphreybc: any other app changes other than shotwell?
[05:12] <humphreybc> I don't think so
[05:13] <nisshh> are there any ubuntu one changes do you know?
[05:13] <humphreybc> not sure
[05:14] <nisshh> hmm, ok ill post this to the ML and see what others say
[05:14] <nisshh> using my new GMAIL account!
[05:14] <nisshh> :)
[05:19] <nisshh> humphreybc: mail sent to the ML
[05:20] <humphreybc> groovy
[09:03] <thorwil> morning!
[09:14] <thorwil> nisshh: good idea to start documenting changes for 10.0
[09:32] <nisshh> thorwil: thanks
[09:33] <nisshh> feel free to add stuff
[11:00] <daker> hi
[11:05] <thorwil> hi daker
[11:06] <daker> thorwil, thanks for what you have done :)
[11:08] <thorwil> daker: you're welcome. do you have a favorite already?
[11:09] <daker> not yet i waiting for replies from the loco
[16:24] <askhl_> Hi.  Roughly how frequently do you build the manual?  We've gone from 8% to 23% since last build, and it would be nice to sort of have a look at the big picture
[16:25] <askhl_> (I refer to the reports on builds.ubuntu-manual.org)
[16:25] <askhl_> Also I'm talking about translations, by the way
[16:36] <askhl__> (sorry for popping out so quickly, battery was low)
[16:47] <godbyk-sagan> askhl__: I build the manuals by running a script; it's not automated.
[16:47] <godbyk-sagan> askhl__: I've been away at a conference this past week and a half.
[16:47] <godbyk-sagan> askhl__: I will be home again late Monday or Tuesday, so I'll upload new builds then.
[16:50] <askhl__> godbyk-sagan, great, I look forward to seeing all new the Danish text in 'print' :)
[16:52] <jenkins> hello all
[16:53] <godbyk-sagan> Hey, jenkins.  Did you ever get ops sorted out on your new nick?
[16:54] <jenkins> yep i think juss-i did it for me
[16:54] <godbyk-sagan> askhl__: Definitely. It's also a lot easier to read through and spot typos and other errors. :)
[16:54] <godbyk-sagan> cool.
[16:55] <godbyk-sagan> someday someone will have to show me how to use ops.
[16:55] <godbyk-sagan> (i was a channel op about 15 years ago on a different network, but it wasn't something i had to request and then abdicate all the time.)
[16:56] <jenkins> godbyk-sagan: I will show you some time if have worked out how to do it and i have a good link
[16:58] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: sounds like a plan.
[16:59] <jenkins> sorry that should read i haev worked it out
[16:59] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: Do you have a link handy to our translations to do list?
[16:59] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: Can you remind me what all I need to do for the German and Greek translations?
[16:59] <jenkins> i have the link here
[17:00] <jenkins> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/translationtodo
[17:00] <godbyk-sagan> thanks.
[17:01] <godbyk-sagan> I'm going to take a shower and wake up.  Then I'll go through my recent email and see where we left off on the translations.
[17:02] <godbyk-sagan> I have dinner tonight at my grandmother's house, but I should have a few hours this afternoon to play around.
[17:02] <jenkins> I have just sent you the latest file form c7p and all that needs doing is to compile it and fix the error due to the glossary
[17:02] <godbyk-sagan> sweet.
[17:02] <godbyk-sagan> okay.
[17:02] <jenkins> and then a double check
[17:02] <godbyk-sagan> yeah, when I get home I need to ensure that the makefile and build script use the same build procedure.
[17:03] <godbyk-sagan> jenkins: has this file been updated in bzr yet?
[17:03] <jenkins> german we have a whole load of stuff that has been translated and needs to be added, I also have some adjusments form thorwil to the translations on the mailing list
[17:03] <jenkins> godbyk-sagan: nope not as far as i know
[17:03] <godbyk-sagan> okay.
[17:04] <godbyk-sagan> also, I had a chat with Don Knuth about some margin-note stuff while we walked to the restaurant.  I also chatted with the guy who gave this talk: http://tug.org/tug2010/abstracts/hicks.txt
[17:04] <godbyk-sagan> So hopefully we'll get the margin notes to work a bit more smoothly in the future.
[17:05] <godbyk-sagan> be back in about 30 minutes.
[17:49] <godbyk-sagan> Back now.
[18:19] <jenkins_> be back later
[19:13] <jenkins> evening all
[19:13] <zkriesse> hey jenkins
[19:15]  * jenkins thinks about the things still to do on quickshot
[19:15] <godbyk-sagan> how's quickshot coming along?  or has quickshot development been on hiatus, too?
[19:17] <jenkins> quickshot is getting there i have to gui to a stage where we have buttons that make windows appear. I need to do the stuff in between and I am poking the layout as I notice it looking wrong.
[19:17] <godbyk-sagan> cool
[19:17] <jenkins> flan: is doing well on the server
[19:17] <godbyk-sagan> I know flan's made a lot of progress on the server side, it seems.
[19:18] <jenkins> the in between bits will be easy enough, mostly looking at cross linux support and better ways of doing things
[19:18] <godbyk-sagan> I see.
[19:44] <flan> I'm at a standstill because I'm preparing to move.
[19:44] <flan> I'll still makde advances whenever I have time.
[19:44] <godbyk-sagan> flan: where are you moving to?
[19:45] <flan> Just elsewhere in Calgary.
[19:45] <flan> First home-thing.
[19:45] <godbyk-sagan> ah
[19:49] <thorwil> jenkins, flan, vish: thoughts on this very rough quickshot icon concept?
[19:49] <vish> thorwil: hmm, which one?
[19:50] <thorwil> http://www.foopics.com/showfull/e7c1ccf3d317f2c42d08c17dde86f56d
[19:50]  * jenkins looks
[19:50] <thorwil> vish: the one i forgot to paste :9
[19:51] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: do you think that the camera being viewed from that angle would be recognizable as such?
[19:51] <jenkins> I am not much of an artist but is the stack of pictures the desktop or a window or just a image?
[19:51] <flan> Though it'd totally ruin the shading, it kinda seems liek the camera should be below or to the side of the target.
[19:52]  * vish likey camera ;)
[19:52] <thorwil> this illustrates the origin of the concept: http://www.photoinfos.com/Fotolabor/Repro/repro-002.jpg
[19:52] <flan> Maybe something more like a consumer-grade digital camera might be more immediately recognizable.
[19:53] <thorwil> godbyk-sagan: a bit stylized it might work well enough. not the optimal view of a camera, but can't tell the story otherwise
[19:53] <thorwil> jenkins: it's a stack of screenshots to be taken
[19:53] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: Right. As long as the camera is recognizable as a camera. :)
[19:54] <jenkins> ok makes sense.
[19:54] <godbyk-sagan> I think it'd be better if the viewing angle were different. Perhaps an isometric side view.  We don't usually think of taking pictures of a screen from above like that.
[19:55] <jenkins> the only tiny bit of an idea is I like the shutter icon and it's jagged curve and may be make it so you were looking though a camera lense. showing that you are looking through a lense by the picture being cut at the top and bottom (or sides) with a wiggle like on the lense of http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Panasonic_DMC-TZ3.JPG&imgrefurl=http://commons.wiki
[19:56]  * jenkins not sure if the link is long enough
[19:56] <jenkins> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Panasonic_DMC-TZ3.JPG
[19:56] <godbyk-sagan> link no worky.
[19:56] <jenkins> thats better
[19:56] <godbyk-sagan> ah, that works
[19:56] <jenkins> I have no idea how to do it and it could look rubish. but thats my only idea
[19:58] <flan> What about a straight-on view of a camera like the one Lunk just linked, but branded with the name 'Quickshot'?
[19:59] <flan> Luke*
[19:59] <jenkins> may be do thorwil's idea but looking from behind the camera
[19:59] <flan> I can't type.
[19:59] <jenkins> but not a dirrect view a slight angle
[19:59] <thorwil> flan: open the Applications menu, Accesoires. than think about a readable "brand" name again ;)
[19:59] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: Sorry you asked yet? :)
[20:00] <godbyk-sagan> I like the F-Spot shutter icon. Can we just steal it from them. ;-)
[20:00] <thorwil> godbyk-sagan: nah, my nerves are made of rust ... eh steel
[20:01] <flan> I suppose it'd look too much like the 'Take Screenshot' item, too...
[20:01] <flan> Okay, bad idea.
[20:02] <vish> godbyk-sagan: yeah , f-spot is pretty neat  thorwil: any idea who did the f-spot icon?
[20:02] <thorwil> nope
[20:03] <godbyk-sagan> Hey, c7p. Have I had you guys translate the back-cover text yet?
[20:03] <c7p> back cover ?
[20:03] <c7p> let me find the text
[20:04] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: Yeah, the few paragraphs on the back cover of the printed book.
[20:04] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil will need that so he can create the cover.
[20:04]  * vish brb
[20:05] <jenkins> brb
[20:05] <c7p> well colophon => translated, that's the only paragraphs at the end of file
[20:05] <c7p> i mean the translated
[20:07] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: Okay. Let me send you the paragraphs.  They're short.
[20:07] <c7p> ah btw should the "Creative Commons Notice" be translated >
[20:07] <c7p> ?*
[20:07] <c7p> ok :)
[20:07] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: Where does that text appear?
[20:08] <c7p> its on the license section
[20:09] <jenkins> i like the swirl of the fspot icon. what about looking through  that short of shape at some screenshots.  the trouble is it may not show in the icon it would when we use the logo in the program its self
[20:10] <thorwil> c7p: i think godbyk means the text on the backside of the lulu cover: http://pastebin.com/6nYhxSYR
[20:11] <c7p> thx thorwil :)
[20:12] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: Yeah, that's the text.  Thanks!
[20:12] <godbyk-sagan> I was having trouble tracking it down.
[20:12] <thorwil> np
[20:13] <godbyk-sagan> c7p: That's the text that appears on the back cover of the printed book.  If you can translate that text and email it to thorwil, we should be able to get the cover created soon.
[20:13] <jenkins> thorwil: I think that the jury is out on that idea I like the use of the pile of screenshots rather than just one
[20:13] <thorwil> godbyk-sagan: the lulu_en.svg is the only place it exists as text, i think :/
[20:13] <godbyk-sagan> thorwil: Quite possibly.  I just found a copy of that file in the lucid-1e-en repository.
[20:13] <jenkins> its very hard to think off what to do for an icon
[20:19] <vish> lets just be lazy and use "QS" as the icon ;p
[20:22] <thorwil> ah, this model would really help with recognizability: http://jasonglewis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/FujiFilm-GF670-Professional-medium-format-folding-camera-top.jpg !!
[20:23] <jenkins> yea what about from that view and have the stack of screenshot in front of it
[20:23] <jenkins> ?
[20:24] <jenkins> would it look a bit small in the menu? I suppose it depends on detail
[20:26] <thorwil> jenkins: camera straight down is pretty much the only way how i can show a stack and camera in one perspective and keeping it somewhat simple on the camera
[20:27] <jenkins> fair enough, you are far better at inkscape than i am
[20:29] <c7p> what do you mean by "scanning documents" (http://pastebin.com/6nYhxSYR) ?
[20:29] <thorwil> the real quickshot: http://www.cbmhardware.de/misc/joystick/39.jpg. i think my brother one of those for his amiga 2000
[20:30] <jenkins> hehe
[20:30] <c7p> lol
[20:30] <Guest93627> σαρωση εγγραφων
[20:30] <c7p> that icon should be the "Take screenshot" buttom ;P
[20:30] <thorwil> c7p: scanning documents -> http://www.itreviews.co.uk/graphics/normal/hardware/h1376.jpg
[20:30] <c7p> nice thx
[20:32]  * thorwil hopes we actually have a section about scanning
[20:32] <jenkins> Ελπίζω κόλαση είχατε μια καλή ημέρα c7p και Guest93627
[20:33] <c7p> haha jenkins whats that
[20:33] <jenkins> its greek, i think. In english it is "hello hope you had a good day"
[20:34] <c7p> haha
[20:34] <jenkins> typo this is it γειά σου
[20:34] <jenkins>  ελπίζω να είχατε μια καλή ημέρα
[20:34] <c7p> "I hope hell you had a good day c7p anf Guest93627" that's what first message
[20:34] <c7p> the second is ok :P
[20:35] <jenkins> hehe I should check what i type
[20:35] <c7p> the first message was*
[20:38] <c7p> Guest93627: http://pastebin.gr/953 check it
[20:47] <jenkins> godbyk-sagan: how would i go about searching every file in a folder and its subfolders for the work wnck ?
[20:47] <jenkins> *word
[20:48] <jenkins> *do you know
[20:49] <jenkins> no worries found it thanks
[20:56] <jenkins> good night all
[20:56] <c7p> night jenkins
[21:48] <daker> good evening / morning
[21:49] <c7p> hi daker
[22:07] <c7p> godbyk-sagan: the back cover text has been translated and sent to thorwil, anything else ?
[22:24] <c7p> night all


  Could we have something similar to get qt4-x11 built there?
[23:37] <lamont> ScottK: this early in the cycle, could we just fix the package please?
[23:38] <ScottK> It's not clear what 'fix' would mean in it's current state since the dbg really takes that long to build.
[23:38] <ScottK> We are promised qt4-x11 getting more modular, but it hasn't happened yet.
[23:42] <lamont> something that makes sure we spit something out to stdout every 120 min or so, after verifying that the build is, in fact, progressing
[23:42] <lamont> take a look at the compilers :-(
[23:52] <ScottK> Sigh.


[04:25] <pitti> Good morning
[06:20] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:02] <didrocks> morning
[07:03] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:03] <pitti> hey mlankhorst
[07:04] <pitti> didrocks: FYI, currently merging ubuntu's systemd with debian exp; I took your latest fsck patches while I was at it
[07:06] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[07:06] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:06] <didrocks> pitti: oh nice :)
[07:06] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[07:06] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:06] <seb128> wie gehts?
[07:06] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! très bien, merci ! et toi ?
[07:07] <didrocks> pitti: I redid a small test before reposting the patches and retry Control+C with current distro plymouth, but with plymouth-x11
[07:07] <seb128> pitti, très bien merci ;-)
[07:13] <darkxst> hey pitti, seb128, didrocks
[07:13] <pitti> didrocks: oh, these need some rebasing to 219, I'm afraid
[07:13] <pitti> hey darkxst
[07:14] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:14] <pitti> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10286331/
[07:14] <didrocks> hey darkxst
[07:15] <pitti> didrocks: strappenda() is now strjoina(); the progress_rc warning is probably harmless
[07:15] <darkxst> didrocks, grilo-plugins split is done, just sitting in NEW atm
[07:15] <didrocks> pitti: argh, ok, will have a look
[07:15] <didrocks> darkxst: piloting this afternoon, so doing this
[07:15] <didrocks> pitti: mind if I do that this in a couple of hours?
[07:16] <pitti> didrocks: not at all; it's a trivial fix in our patches, not blocking me
[07:16] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, did you hear back from slangasek about the systemd work he's supposed to do?
[07:16] <pitti> no, I didn't :/
[07:16] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I'll rebase. I hope that this is last time (but wonder why it wasn't warned on the ML, afraid this is going to be stalled as there is no more comment, but nothing happened, even telling it doesn't apply)
[07:16] <didrocks> seb128: same :/
[07:17] <darkxst> didrocks, ok thanks
[07:17] <pitti> didrocks: let me finish that build first, then I'll let you know if that was the only thing
[07:17] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[07:17]  * didrocks finishes backlog
[07:17] <didrocks> then ubuntu make release, fsck and sponsoring + MIR
[07:21] <darkxst> seb128, will you be ok to update baobab and gnome-contacts to 3.14 after FF?
[07:21] <darkxst> I will make titlebar patches but wont be for a week atleast
[07:27] <pitti> didrocks: ok, just http://paste.ubuntu.com/10286467/ and some noise in the *.po files
[07:29] <didrocks> pitti: great! thanks a lot, I'll rebase on master and reapply
[07:38] <seb128> darkxst, wfm, as long as you have patches for the headerbars
[07:38] <seb128> well, assuming that they didn't redo the UI in a way that makes it not fit with other desktops
[07:38] <seb128> or that they did drop half of the features
[07:38] <darkxst> seb128, headerbar patches should be easy enough
[07:39] <darkxst> maybe you can give a quick check of 3.14 UI's
[07:39] <darkxst> both will be on gnome3 ppa for vivid
[07:39] <darkxst> I think gnome-contacts is mostly the same
[07:39] <seb128> k
[07:39] <darkxst> baobab has some tweaks to layout,
[07:56] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Has someone done the dep changes for the grilo-plugins split or should i?
[07:57] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I did it
[07:57] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:58] <Noskcaj> Did that include suggests?
[07:58] <darkxst> suggests for what?
[07:58] <Noskcaj> grilo
[07:59] <darkxst> why?
[07:59] <Noskcaj> It would be nice to point it to the new package rather than the old one
[08:00] <Noskcaj> Also, there's a new grilo release upstream
[08:00] <darkxst> Noskcaj, oh you mean packages that suggest grilo-plugins?
[08:00] <Noskcaj> yes
[08:01] <darkxst> I only did gnome-music and gnome-online-miners
[08:01] <darkxst> if there are others with suggests feel free to do those
[08:02] <Noskcaj> I'll include the fix with the update to grilo
[08:02] <darkxst> ok
[08:13] <pitti> mmmh, les derniers beignets -- un bon petit-déjeuner :)
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, huuuum, beignets, miam :-)
[08:15]  * pitti hands one to seb128
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, merci !
[08:16]  * didrocks didn't know about that new technology
[08:16] <didrocks> BOS? beignets as a service?
[08:16] <didrocks> BAS*
[08:16] <didrocks> is that UDP/TCP based?
[08:16]  * pitti hides his python-weechat-snackmsg package
[08:16] <didrocks> :)
[08:16] <larsu> didrocks: BAAS
[08:16] <didrocks> ;)
[08:17] <pitti> pah, *AAS is the new -Kit, isn't it
[08:17] <pitti> do we have Service as a Service yet?
[08:17] <didrocks> pitti: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f88bc87a-0e4b-11e2-8b92-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3S5BYAf5q
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: ah, I knew someone had this thought before me :)
[08:18] <didrocks> :)
[08:18] <pitti> here go my dreams of funding a $1B company
[08:18] <pitti> "founding" (ugh)
[08:18] <seb128> lol
[08:19] <pitti> that's probably the most expensive typo you can ever make in economics :)
[08:19] <didrocks> ahah
[08:21] <didrocks> pitti: if you want to practice your french, when you have time (really, click on every links), you have the la-rache methodology, and maybe you can give advice on it, pretty popular methodology in computer science: http://byatoo.com/la-rache
[08:21] <didrocks> maybe we should drop scrum and go on "la rache"
[08:21] <didrocks> "Rapid Application Conception and Heuristic Extreme-programming"
[08:22] <pitti> ah, that's not just la ROCHE ?
[08:22] <didrocks> pitti: ahah, quite insulting to say I'm working at "la rache" :p
[08:22] <didrocks> pitti: just some backgrounds: to do something à "l'arrache" (correct writings, coming from "arracher") is to botch something
[08:23] <pitti> didrocks: oh, est-ce que c'est un mot français ?
[08:23] <pitti> ah
[08:23] <didrocks> "faire à l'arrache" is, "la rache" isn't, but it sounds similar and hence this parodic website :)
[08:26] <didrocks> "can we deploy a prototype to production?" -> "No problem, it's La Rache compliant"
[08:27] <didrocks> "can we develop directly in production?" -> "No problem, it's La Rache compliant"
[08:27] <pitti> didrocks: :) il semble que je dois lire cą :)
[08:28] <didrocks> pitti: I'm sure you will love it :)
[08:33] <Noskcaj> darkxst, New grilo need vala 0.27, so we don't get to have it
[08:33] <Noskcaj> Could you please upload the suggests change to save some time?
[08:36] <Noskcaj> didrocks, https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/ubuntu/appstream-util/+packages if you get time
[08:37] <didrocks> Noskcaj: my patch politing is this afternoon for me, pending it
[08:37] <Noskcaj> :)
[08:37] <didrocks> Noskcaj: ok, so it's a package copy, simply, right?
[08:37] <Noskcaj> yeah
[08:37] <didrocks> will do :)
[08:38] <Noskcaj> the gnome-system-monitor includes a version bump approved by Laney
[08:38] <didrocks> Noskcaj: for the one we were in sync with debian, did you send the patch back to debian BTS?
[08:39] <didrocks> I would appreciate to be back in sync next cycle
[08:39] <Noskcaj> didrocks, I'll send patches when debian unfreezes
[08:39] <Noskcaj> Most of them are things i can access the debian vcs for anyway
[08:40] <didrocks> ok, great!
[08:40] <pitti> didrocks: OOI, does the control-c work in qemu for you? I tried with pressing 2 s
[08:40] <didrocks> pitti: it never worked on qemu for me
[08:41] <pitti> didrocks: ok, thanks
[08:41] <didrocks> pitti: it does work on plymouth-x11, I didn't retry on boot, but I'm sure it did
[08:41] <pitti> I'll try 219-1ubuntu1 on my laptop next :)
[08:41] <didrocks> \o/
[08:41] <didrocks> pitti: even a simple "c" press didn't work on qemu with plymouth… I have no idea what happens there
[08:47] <pitti> didrocks: hm, ^C doesn't work on my laptop either, but I don't have plymouth-x11
[08:49] <willcooke> morning
[08:50] <didrocks> pitti: argh, that's weird, it did for me, will try, but later, ETOOMUCHSTUFF already
[08:50] <didrocks> pitti: it's exactly the same call that mountall did (would be interested to know if it works for you with plymouth-x11)
[08:50] <didrocks> willcooke: hey!
[08:50] <pitti> didrocks: booting with upstart/mountall, 'c' works, yes
[08:51] <pitti> didrocks: no biggie for now, don't worry
[08:52] <didrocks> pitti: do you mind trying with plymouth-x11?
[08:52] <didrocks> pitti: I'll retry rebooting… but later
[08:52] <pitti> didrocks: can do in a bit (just running some snappy tests ATM)
[08:52] <didrocks> pitti: I don't know if I retried with control+c at boot time or only on plymouth-x11
[08:52] <didrocks> since upstream asked to changed it
[08:53] <didrocks> so, that can be the difference
[08:53] <didrocks> anyway, will give it a shot
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: no luck with plymouth-x11 either; well, let's debug this later..
[09:00] <darkxst> Noskcaj, paste a debdiff
[09:04] <darkxst> Noskcaj, did you check why? or did they just bump vala to go with gtk 3.16?
[09:05] <Laney> hullo
[09:06] <didrocks> pitti: really? it does work here, let me retry…
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:07] <darkxst> hey Laney
[09:08] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:21] <didrocks> pitti: confirmed to work on plymouth-x11 here (just did a full rebuild with my latest patches, to ensure I don't have caches somewhere)
[09:21] <didrocks> pitti: at least, it's failing in a consistent way for you, so I have hope :)
[09:22] <didrocks> clearly a qwerty vs azerty thing! :p
[09:22] <pitti> didrocks: I thought it might be due to the USB keyboard, but the builtin one doesn't work either
[09:27] <willcooke> Laney, you might feel my pain...
[09:27] <willcooke> Laney, new kettle taste.
[09:28] <Laney> the limescale blues?
[09:31] <didrocks> pitti: tried as well with systemd-fsckd that you shipped in 218-10ubuntu1, works under plymouth-x11 for me
[09:31] <didrocks> pitti: I wonder, are you using real fsck or the mock one?
[09:31] <pitti> didrocks: the mock
[09:32] <didrocks> ok, so not that fsck which doesn't want to die :/
[09:32]  * didrocks is really puzzled
[09:32] <pitti> didrocks: do you have plymouth in the initramfs? could that make a difference?
[09:33] <didrocks> pitti: no, I kept the ubuntu standard setup. but even without that, it should have worked on your session with plytmouth-x11
[09:34] <didrocks> pitti: you did try in your session to start plymouthd
[09:34] <didrocks> and the plymouth show-splash
[09:34] <didrocks> and that didn't work, right?
[09:40] <willcooke> Laney, the old kettle started to melt it was so clogged with limescale.  The new kettle tastes of, what I can only assume is, Morphy Richards' kettle factory, Morphy Richards Road.  China.
[09:40] <pitti> didrocks: sorry? no, I never fiddled with the plymouth units or started them manually
[09:41] <pitti> didrocks: I do see the plymouth graphical theme and the fsck progress messages (in both qemu and my laptop)
[09:42] <didrocks> pitti: ah, so maybe when we are talking about plymouth-x11, you didn't try the same thing
[09:42] <pitti> didrocks: no, I just installed that package and rebooted
[09:42] <didrocks> pitti: and the issue is maybe only that Control+C would work on plymouth-x11 and not at boot
[09:42] <didrocks> ah, maybe try this:
[09:42] <didrocks> sudo plymouthd
[09:42] <pitti> didrocks: I was wondering why p-x11 would have any effect
[09:42] <didrocks> sudo plymouth show-splash
[09:42] <didrocks> and starts the systemd-fsckd service + a systemd-fsck /dev/sda for instance
[09:42] <pitti> ah
[09:43] <didrocks> pitti: as told, I tried the C cancel at boot, and it worked, I'm unsure that I retried with Control+C once I saw that plymouth-x11 supported it
[09:45] <pitti> didrocks: ah nice, I never used plymouth that way :)
[09:45] <pitti> didrocks: yep, that works fine, even in qemu
[09:46] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so maybe Control+C, doesn't work the same way without plymouth-x11, I'll add some debugs
[09:46] <didrocks> (like doesn't send the same message back)
[09:46] <didrocks> pitti: without plymouth-x11, iterating would have been crazy :p
[09:47] <pitti> didrocks: for the protocol, for sure! nice trick
[09:47] <didrocks> pitti: so yeah, I think I have to add debugs and reboots. Rebasing first and dealing with that next…
[09:47] <pitti> didrocks: I would assume that somehow this ought to work in qemu too; iterating with real reboots is a no-go indeed
[09:47]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[09:47] <pitti> such a sticky thing that!
[09:48] <didrocks> pitti: "c" worked for on plymouth boot, but never with qemu
[09:48]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[09:48] <didrocks> hence I didn't think once I saw Control+C working with plymouth-x11, that it would give something different with plymouth boot…
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: just for the record, the grub menu works fine for me in qemu
[09:51] <didrocks> pitti: I will keep you posted
[10:15] <didrocks> man pages as well are conflicting as they changed to 2 spaces
[10:15] <didrocks> grumph :p
[10:16] <seb128> Laney, there is a new librsvg out that fixes security issue, do you want to do it in Debian and sync over or should I just do the update in Ubuntu?
[10:21] <Laney> seb128: might as well do it ther
[10:21] <Laney> e
[10:21] <seb128> Laney, ok, as you want, thanks
[10:22] <seb128> I can't do it in Debian since I don't have a chroot or vm to build the binaries/test
[10:22] <Laney> no worries, I do
[10:23] <Laney> can you see the error here https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Vivid/view/AutoPkgTest/job/vivid-adt-gnome-photos/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/consoleFull ?
[10:23] <pitti> Investigating (0) gnome-photos [ amd64 ] < none -> 3.14.2-1 > ( universe/gnome )
[10:23] <pitti> Broken gnome-photos:amd64 Depends on gnome-online-miners [ amd64 ] < none -> 3.14.0-2ubuntu1 > ( universe/gnome )
[10:24] <pitti>   Considering gnome-online-miners:amd64 1 as a solution to gnome-photos:amd64 -1
[10:24] <pitti>   Holding Back gnome-photos:amd64 rather than change gnome-online-miners:amd64
[10:24] <pitti> Laney: ^
[10:24] <pitti> Laney: might just have been temporary uninstallability due to arch buildd desync? /me retries
[10:25] <Laney> pitti: I just did that
[10:25] <Laney> the one I linked was a retry
[10:27] <pitti> oh, it actually failed on all arches
[10:27] <Laney> yup
[10:27] <Laney> ah I see this in a chroot
[10:28] <pitti> and yay for apt uninstallability errors being utterly incomprehensible
[10:28] <pitti> Laney: ah, you beat me to it then; just entering my vivid-proposed chroot :)
[10:28] <Laney> needs the grilo-plugins split in NEW
[10:29] <Laney> apt could have told us this up front. :)
[10:34]  * didrocks reboots
[10:39] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so the printf I'm writing are seen as blob data by the journal, do you know how I can get the characters (not fluent in journalctl command)
[10:41] <didrocks> hum, with -a it seems
[10:41] <pitti> journalctl -o verbose ?
[10:41] <didrocks> seems that plymouth issending something completely different… ^B:^A:
[10:41] <didrocks> doesn't even match the protocol I saw with -x11
[10:41] <pitti> didrocks: perhaps you should print them as %x instead of %c?
[10:42] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, trying this
[10:43] <didrocks> brb
[11:02] <didrocks> pitti: phew, got it!
[11:02] <didrocks> pitti: so, I confirm, for Control+C, the protocol is different between plymouth at boot and plymouth-x11
[11:02] <pitti> didrocks: wow! that was quick, considering that reboots and plymouth are involved..
[11:02] <didrocks> pitti: well, not starting the whole session, browser, emails, helps :)
[11:02] <didrocks> only a terminal, plymouth, systemd and I!
[11:03] <didrocks> so once fixing this, this won't work on plymouth-x11
[11:03] <didrocks> but well, as this one is only for testing purpose… meh :)
[11:04] <pitti> didrocks: ah, you can't easily do a cmd == ply_x11 _|| cmd == ply_system?
[11:04] <pitti> didrocks: but yeah, no worries; that's not really important
[11:04] <didrocks> pitti: should I? the thing is that on plymouth-x11, it both maps C and Control+C
[11:04] <didrocks> and seeing it not being used outside for testing…
[11:05] <didrocks> of*
[11:05] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, please don't waste any time with it
[11:05] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so rebase done, just introducing this fix and reposting
[11:07] <didrocks> ok done, just doing a final full build to ensure that everything is all right + a real reboot test
[11:16] <didrocks> pitti: all good, repushing the patches upstream rebased on master upstream
[11:16] <pitti> didrocks: \o/
[11:16] <didrocks> pitti: think it's better on one email + all attachements or still separate?
[11:17] <pitti> didrocks: still git-send-email, I think
[11:18] <didrocks> ok
[11:30] <pitti> Noskcaj: looking at grilo-plugins -- that's missing a transitional package
[11:30] <pitti> Noskcaj: witout one, upgrades will cause trouble
[11:30] <pitti> Noskcaj: also, two -dbg packages, isn't that a bit excessive?
[13:04] <pitti> Laney: ah, so glib is held by gnome-photos failure; want me to override, as it's quite obviously not glib's fault?
[13:05] <Laney> pitti: I'd rather see it fixed, but if not I can override myself
[13:06] <desrt> i woke up at a good time
[13:06] <desrt> what's up?
[13:06] <Laney> I think they deliberately decided not to use a transitional
[13:06] <Laney> and just moved the two rdeps over
[13:07] <pitti> Laney: I've still seen enough upgrades where apt would rather hold back the old package instaed of removing it in favor of a new one
[13:07] <pitti> and the split ones don't even Provides: the old one
[13:08] <pitti> perhaps apt became more clever in the recent releases to also check if the package still exists in the index, and would adjust the penalty scores
[13:08]  * desrt starts to get the impression that this is not an upstream issue ;)
[13:08] <pitti> desrt: not glib related at all :)
[13:09] <Laney> it's all broken!!!
[13:09] <desrt> well, good morning in any case :)
[13:09] <pitti> desrt: just talking about the regression in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#glib2.0
[13:09] <pitti> desrt: indeed -- good morning!
[15:08] <Laney> pitti: I want to fix grilo-plugins; can you reject it for now?
[15:09] <pitti> Laney: sure
[15:09] <Laney> thanks
[15:10] <pitti> done
[15:10] <Laney> ok, new one will arrive in a few minutes
[15:13] <didrocks> Noskcaj: hey, you didn't change the build-dep here? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197574606/gpaste_3.14-1_3.14-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:14] <didrocks> Noskcaj: same for https://launchpadlibrarian.net/198009486/swell-foop_1%3A3.15.4-0ubuntu1_1%3A3.15.90-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:15] <didrocks> and https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197863665/tali_1%3A3.15.2-0ubuntu1_1%3A3.15.90-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:16] <didrocks> Noskcaj: the other looks good, promoting appstream-utils to main and copying all others packages
[15:32] <seb128> kenvandine, you don't have a bq running vivid by any chance?
[15:34] <didrocks> Noskcaj: ok, promoted and all the rest copied over. You will see my name on -changes ML, this is a known restriction of copy-package (you are set as "Changed-By" in the email).
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, i do in fact
[15:38] <kenvandine> testing a fix for the smoke test failures now
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, why?
[15:38] <seb128> kenvandine, want to test the deb from https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-storage-page/+merge/250119 ?
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, i can't test anything on it until autopilot finishes :)
[15:38] <seb128> my bq runs rtm
[15:39] <seb128> I can test on the n7, but still would be good to try on bq/vivid
[15:39] <kenvandine> mine usually does too
[15:39] <kenvandine> but i flashed it last night
[15:39] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll test it
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks!
[15:46] <pitti> didrocks: Control-C! Control-C! Control-C!
[15:46] <pitti> \o/
[15:47] <pitti> didrocks: so, bad news about your fsck patches :(
[15:50] <didrocks> pitti: what bad news? it's just been applied, isn't it? :)
[15:52] <pitti> didrocks: bah, you're too quick! :-)
[15:52] <pitti> didrocks: I'm afraid you now don't have the pleasure any more to rebase this the umpteenth time :(
[15:52] <pitti> didrocks: but, there's of course one critical issue with it: no German translations!
[15:53]  * pitti will commit them in a bit :)
[15:53]  * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks
[15:53] <didrocks> pitti: ahah! see, the French are always ahead, we do have translations :)
[15:53]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti
[15:57]  * didrocks celebrates with some tea
[15:59] <Laney> oh, congrats didrocks!
[16:00] <didrocks> thanks Laney, was quite a journey (more than firstly expected :p)
[16:30] <kenvandine> Laney, your branch worked fine on krillin, thanks!
[16:30] <Laney> cool, thx for trying it!
[16:31] <desrt> mmm.  tea.  fine idea, that.
[16:31] <kenvandine> Laney, i'll land that this afternoon
[16:31]  * desrt puts the whiskey down and fills the kettle
[16:38] <Laney> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10292939/ want to pre-eyeball?
[16:40] <Laney> oops, debdiffed the wrong version - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10293007/
[17:27] <willcooke> anyone know anything about icewm?
[17:27] <willcooke> I've got it running in Xmir
[17:27] <willcooke> but the text is fubar
[17:28] <willcooke> some letters are there, some are not, none of them seem to be in any logical order
[17:31] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/qMasfdW
[17:31] <willcooke> mlankhorst, any ideas?  ^
[17:31] <willcooke> seems like I missing fonts
[17:31] <willcooke> but I think I've installed them
[17:32] <willcooke> lots of this:
[17:32] <willcooke> IceWM: Warning: Could not load font "DejaVu Sans".
[17:32] <willcooke> IceWM: Warning: Could not load font "sans-serif:size=10:bold".
[17:32] <willcooke> IceWM: xft: fallback from 'DejaVu Sans,sans-serif:size=10:bold'
[17:39] <mlankhorst> ttf-dejavu-core fonts-dejavu-extra fonts-dejavu-core ?
[17:43] <qengho> Weird. Applications, XppXXcaXXoXs, ppcaos. Are those glyphs that have special hinting or something?
[17:43] <willcooke> mlankhorst, already installed
[17:44] <mlankhorst> mm :/
[17:47] <redpix0>  --enable-xfreetype
[17:49] <qengho> willcooke: $ fc-cat |grep DejaVu\ Sans: |cut -d\  -f1 |cat -n    # eight lines?
[17:53] <willcooke> qengho,      1	"DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      2	"DejaVuSans-BoldOblique.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      3	"DejaVuSans-Oblique.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      4	"DejaVuSans.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      5	"DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      6	"DejaVuSans-BoldOblique.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      7	"DejaVuSans-Oblique.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke>      8	"DejaVuSans.ttf"
[17:53] <willcooke> redpix0, no different
[17:54] <redpix0> :/
[17:56] <mlankhorst> oh interesting
[17:56] <mlankhorst> fonts-dejavu-extra has the serif ones..
[17:56] <mlankhorst> but so does ttf-dejavu-core and fonts-dejavu-core :/
[17:58] <willcooke> no worries, bregma put me on to matchbox - seems to do the job nicely
[18:04] <Laney> darkxst: if you come back before someone replies, ^^^ I pasted a debdiff for grilo-plugins, feel free to upload/tweak/whatever
[18:04] <Laney> see you!
[18:07] <willcooke> toodles Laney
[18:11] <mlankhorst> oke goo
[18:11] <mlankhorst> good*
[18:13] <didrocks> see you guys!
[19:04] <Noskcaj> Laney, pitti: Is the transitional package needed even if we change all r-deps to use the new packaging?
[19:06] <mitya57> Noskcaj: Usually yes.
[19:06] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:10] <mitya57> Noskcaj: you don't need transitional package if the previous package could be only "auto"-installed, i.e. if it was a shared library that user won't install "just to have it"
[19:10] <Noskcaj> ok, fair enough
[19:22] <Noskcaj> mitya57, Would you have time to review bug 1421907 ?
[19:23] <Noskcaj> I'm almost sure it's incomplete, but it's a start
[19:23] <tkamppeter> willcooke, hi
[19:23] <willcooke> hi tkamppeter
[19:32] <mitya57> Noskcaj: commented on the bug
[19:33] <mitya57> Noskcaj: and btw there is a Vcs-Bzr, so you should probably submit a MP against that branch instead of a patch
[19:34] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll do that in an hour or so
[19:36]  * mitya57 → EOD anyway
[19:40] <willcooke> tkamppeter, sorry, my machine rebooted
[19:41] <sarnold> willcooke: you didn't miss anything from tkamppeter while you were away
[19:41] <willcooke> thx sarnold
[19:57] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, can I run writer and calc in separate instances on different X servers?
[19:57] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, I found some post about setting an env for each
[19:58] <willcooke> is that right?
[20:16] <willcooke> My (not Ubuntu) phone auto corrects Libre Office to libreo ff***s
[20:20] <darkxst> Laney, ok looking
[20:20] <ogra_> with all the stars ?
[20:20] <willcooke> thankfully not, but I know how sensitive you are about these things ogra_ ;p
[20:20] <ogra_> lol
[20:21] <willcooke> got Ubuntu Core installed on my Pi btw - but no time to fix Mosquitto yet
[20:21] <willcooke> soon
[20:21] <willcooke> ;)
[20:21] <ogra_> :)
[20:22] <davmor2> willcooke: did you ever think to remove the Arkwrights spellcheck app at least then it would only be foxes not ffoxes ;)
[20:22] <willcooke> LOL!!
[20:23] <desrt> robert_ancell: good morning
[20:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, hi
[20:24] <desrt> robert_ancell: today i'm splitting dconf-editor into a separate module.  i hope you find that to be oK.
[20:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, sounds good
[20:24] <desrt> (and if not, now would be a great time to speak up) :)
[20:24]  * davmor2 thinks willcooke is lying to himself if he thinks he has time to fix "other" things
[20:25] <desrt> robert_ancell: i already did the split locally, but i'm currently blocked on the gnome sysadmin team
[20:25] <desrt> on account of this: https://git.gnome.org/browse/archive/dconf-editor/
[20:26] <robert_ancell> desrt, ha! Blocked by your past self!
[20:26] <desrt> i just hate past-me
[20:26] <desrt> willcooke: did you get the new pi?
[20:27] <willcooke> desrt, ya!
[20:27] <desrt> nice and speedy?
[20:28] <desrt> the 6x speedup thing is making me reponder my rasp-pi supercomputer plans :)
[20:28] <willcooke> Haven't done anything with it yet :)
[20:28] <desrt> the old rasp-pi wasn't such a great contender... but at a 6x speed up, ...
[20:29] <willcooke> TBH, mine tend to idle most of the time.  1 runs the heating, so just a long running python script which does pretty much nothing most of the time, 1 is a router, 1 is my thermostat (again does nothing most of the time)
[20:29] <willcooke> I moved my web server to Digital Ocean
[20:29] <willcooke> so it'll probably just idle
[20:29] <willcooke> as
[20:29] <willcooke> wel
[20:29] <ogra_> if you want a speedy RPi lik board, have a look at the paralllella
[20:33] <willcooke> I'm all about the Arduino clones now :)
[20:33] <willcooke> 1 .5 GBP off ebay
[20:45] <attente_> hi, is there a way to keep ubuntu-desktop-next package while installing systemd-sysv? it depends on ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks which depends on upstart
[20:57] <desrt> robert_ancell: okay.  it's done now.
[20:58] <robert_ancell> desrt, did you find someone to take it over and maintain it too :)
[20:58] <desrt> yes, actually
[20:58] <desrt> The_gull wants to help
[20:58] <robert_ancell> awesome
[20:58] <desrt> i was hoping you could work with them a bit to help things get started?
[21:24] <desrt> Laney: heads up about dconf-editor, btw, in case you missed it
[21:32] <darkxst> Laney, looks fine, uploaded