[00:07] <bjsnider> jbicha2, ping
[00:17] <farciarz84> hi
[00:17] <farciarz84> err:ole:CoCreateInstance apartment not initialised
[00:17] <farciarz84> err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly
[00:17] <farciarz84> fixme:advapi:SetSecurityInfo stub
[00:17] <farciarz84> what's that?
[00:17] <farciarz84> it apears just after upgrade
[00:45] <Roasted> hello!
[00:50] <KM0201> o/ Roasted
[00:56] <MarkGreenwood> Hello !
[01:08] <MarkGreenwood> Anyone know if the GNOME 3.2 quick preview will be in 11.10 ?
[01:08] <bjsnider> MarkGreenwood, you mean sushi?
[01:08] <MarkGreenwood> Nope, well kinda. It is officialy integrated in Nautilus now.
[01:08] <MarkGreenwood> (Nautilus 3.2)
[01:08] <bjsnider> how do you mean?
[01:09] <MarkGreenwood> Just a second, I will get the link.
[01:09] <MarkGreenwood> http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.2/
[01:09] <MarkGreenwood> Go look at the quick preview thing
[01:10] <bjsnider> MarkGreenwood, the thing is, the framework is integrated, but sushi itself is an extra
[01:10] <bjsnider> i am developing packages for it as we speak
[01:10] <bjsnider> they are 99% done
[01:10] <bjsnider> once we get debian-gnome to sign off on it, it will either be in oneiric, or in an official ppa
[01:11] <bjsnider> i am using the software based on the packages now, and it is awesome
[01:11] <bjsnider> the biggest issue is what to call it, since there is already an unrelated source package called "sushi" in debian
[01:11] <MarkGreenwood> Oh great ! So, the quick preview itself is an extra ?
[01:12] <bjsnider> well, you just install the packages and it works immediately
[01:12] <MarkGreenwood> Ok
[01:12] <bjsnider> but it previews just about everything. movies, music, text files, pdf files
[01:12] <MarkGreenwood> Are they available now ? Sorry, I'm no "connaisseur" in the matter :P
[01:13] <bjsnider> i don't want people using the packaging scripts right now because we probably will be changing the name, which would make things difficult on anyone who installed the earlier version
[01:14] <MarkGreenwood> Oh ok ! Well, it's good news to know that you are almost done though :)
[01:14] <bjsnider> it's every bit as awesome as it , looks though
[01:14] <bjsnider> very much like the osx previewer
[01:14] <MarkGreenwood> Yes, I know. I've been usin Gloobus-Preview in the past. This one looks much cleaner thouh.
[01:16] <MarkGreenwood> ?
[01:17] <MarkGreenwood> Oh by the way, if I'm missing a lot of g's, it's because my key is half-broke
[01:19] <graingert> bjsnider: nautilus-sushi
[01:20] <graingert> bjsnider: where can I get the packages that you are running on?
[01:20] <bjsnider> what about it?
[01:20] <graingert> bjsnider: I'm saying nautilus-sushi is what it should be called
[01:21] <graingert> to avoid collisions
[01:21] <bjsnider> i think we're going to call it gnome-sushi
[01:21] <graingert> org.gnome.nautilus.sushi
[01:21] <graingert> I'm a massive namespace fan
[01:21] <bjsnider> anyway, i'm not going to ful up the conrol file with upgrades or conflicts at the moment so i would prefer to be the only one running it until the name is finalized
[01:22] <graingert> ah okay
[01:22] <bjsnider> so far after a couple of days it is totally bulletproof. not one crash
[01:22] <graingert> so what's the difference between it and gloobus preview?
[01:23] <bjsnider> i'm not 100% familiar with what gloobus is doing these days
[01:23] <graingert> lol
[01:23] <graingert> good difference
[01:23] <graingert> also gnome-sushi's site is not down
[01:26] <bjsnider> jtaylor, if that guy who was trying to build gnome-documents comes back he can find packages here: https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/extra
[01:28] <jbicha> sushi definitely won't be on the main CD though, way past time for that
[01:31] <MarkGreenwood> bjsnider So, do you have any ETA on when it should be ready ? I really can't wait to see it in action ! :D
[01:31] <graingert> bjsnider: can I winge on about libsdl1.2-debian:i386 some more
[01:32] <bjsnider> MarkGreenwood, asap
[01:32] <bjsnider> but you can build it yourself
[01:32] <bjsnider> if you desperately want to test it
[01:33] <bjsnider> graingert, that was a dependency problem right?
[01:33] <graingert> yep
[01:33] <MarkGreenwood> Well no :P I'm just very eager :P I shall be patient !
[01:33] <graingert> #854196
[01:33] <graingert> *winge* *winge* *znses* *winge*
[01:34] <graingert> :D
[01:34] <bjsnider> snes9x is better though
[01:35] <graingert> urm
[01:35] <graingert> that seems not to be in my repos
[01:35] <zhiwei> hi, my sreensaver and lockscreen do not work.
[01:36] <graingert> bjsnider: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/snes9x-x
[01:36] <graingert> Package not available in this suite.
[01:37] <bjsnider> it's kicking around some ppas
[01:37] <graingert> apparently it's been deleted, bjsnider
[01:38] <graingert> so it looks like ubuntu can't run snes games
[01:38] <bjsnider> bbiab
[01:38] <graingert> "the most annoying f__king abbreviation to look at. ever"
[01:45] <bjsnider> bug 854196
[01:46] <graingert> bjsnider: yep that one
[01:46] <graingert> bjsnider: also zsnes does something odd to software center
[01:49] <bjsnider> the problem is you don't have the exact problem listed there
[01:50] <graingert> bjsnider: what is the exact problem?
[01:50] <graingert> it seems to be right to me?
[01:52] <bjsnider> oh, right. you put it right in the title
[01:52] <bjsnider> most times i expect the title to be something vague like "problem with so-and-so"
[01:53] <graingert> I put the issue in the title
[01:53] <graingert> and the solution in the description
[01:54] <graingert> to maintain DRY
[01:54] <bjsnider> needs more info
[01:54] <graingert> bjsnider: mark it as such
[01:54] <bjsnider> put the result of the command to install zsnes
[01:55] <bjsnider> and the result of the command to remove libsdl1.2debian
[01:55] <bjsnider> then they will see why this is such a problem
[01:55] <graingert> why is it confirmed
[01:55] <graingert> and not more info then?
[01:55] <graingert> I could make another bug and mark it as a dupe
[01:58] <bjsnider> maybe this isn't a real bug
[01:59] <bjsnider> every :i386 conflicts with the amd64 counterpart like this, and they all force out necesary packages
[02:01] <bjsnider> i mean look what it tries to do if you ask for pulseaudio:i386
[02:03] <bjsnider> actually, no, it is a bug. because it should pull in i386 versions of everything it forces out
[02:04] <bjsnider> the bug is not that it forces out its amd64 counterpart. it's that it doesn't replace the other packages
[02:18] <bjsnider> graingert, i'll bet you can work around this
[02:21] <graingert> bjsnider: why does it force out the amd64 counterpart?
[02:21] <graingert> how is the amd64 apps supposed to work without them?
[02:21] <graingert> what's the point of multi-arch if you can't have both apps working?
[02:22] <bjsnider> the point is that they are the same thing, so naturally they have to conflict
[02:22] <bjsnider> one is all you need
[02:22] <bjsnider> but here's how you could work around it:
[02:23] <graingert> so it would pull in i386 vlc
[02:23] <graingert> etc
[02:23] <zhiwei> hi,anyone key how to lock sreen? my problem is :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1853236
[02:24] <bjsnider> try to install libsdl1.2debian:i386, note the packages it wants to force out. slap an :i386 on them and ask for them to be installed and then libsdl1.2debian:i386
[02:25] <bjsnider> if that works without forcing anything out except libsdll1.2debian, you've got the workaround
[02:25] <graingert> zhiwei: what happens if you run gnome-screensaver-command -l
[02:25] <graingert> bjsnider: I don't think that's a good plan
[02:26] <bjsnider> why not?
[02:26] <graingert> bjsnider: isn't the whole point of multi-arch to have 64bit and 32bit apps work together
[02:26] <graingert> eg skype
[02:26] <graingert> surely the stuff skype depends on doesn't force out 64bit versions
[02:26] <bjsnider> if they fix the problem you'll end up in the same situation. same packages installed, it will just be done for you
[02:26] <graingert> or does the i386 lib include the 64bit binary?
[02:27] <bjsnider> the whole thing has to be one or the other
[02:29] <zhiwei> graingert: noting happened. it seems that there is no gnome-screensaver-command
[02:30] <graingert> zhiwei: that will be your bug
[02:31] <zhiwei> graingert: how to resovle?
[02:31] <graingert> zhiwei: install it
[02:32] <zhiwei> graingert: /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-command is on my ubuntu
[02:34] <zhiwei> it's version 3.2.0
[02:44] <bjsnider> graingert, i see what happened with snes9x. the reason it was deleted is that the debian packaging scripts haven't been touched in 5 years
[02:45] <bjsnider> but there have been new upstream releases in that time, the most recent in april
[02:45] <bjsnider> zsnes has not had a new upstream release in 4 years
[02:50] <bjsnider> graingert, https://launchpad.net/~bearoso/+archive/ppa/+files/snes9x-gtk_1.53.81-1~maverick1_amd64.deb
[02:50] <bjsnider> that is installable
[02:56] <graingert> bjsnider: sorry I missed that link
[02:56] <graingert> as compiz decided to crap out
[02:57] <bjsnider> graingert, https://launchpad.net/~bearoso/+archive/ppa/+files/snes9x-gtk_1.53.81-1~maverick1_amd64.deb
[02:57] <graingert> bjsnider: oh
[02:57] <bjsnider> it installs and runs here without asking for any changes
[02:57] <graingert> hmm
[02:57] <graingert> maybe not
[02:58] <zhiwei> graingert: hi, I still can't user sreen lock...\
[02:58] <graingert> zhiwei: even with the app installed?
[02:59] <graingert> zhiwei: so the app just hangs?
[02:59] <graingert> what do you get for ps -ef | grep gnome-screensaver
[03:16] <mrdeb> hi
[03:16] <mrdeb> is oneric looking good
[03:35] <realitychanger> Hello.  I'm using 11.10, tried to install nvidia's proprietary driver from cli, and now x is borked.  What is the proper method for reconfiguring x?  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't work for me.
[03:37] <xgt001> hi there
[03:37] <xgt001> is there a ppa for catalyst 11.9
[03:37] <xgt001> for oneiric
[03:39] <billytwowilly> so I tried to load up nvidia settings to get twinview working and it's erroring out on no xorg.conf file found.
[04:00] <coz_> hey guys.. nvidia settings set to twinview but no secondary monitor showing up???
[04:16] <Qwell_> I'm having difficulty getting X started after an update.  I can manually startx, but I can't get any gdm or the like.
[04:17] <Qwell_> There isn't anything bad in Xorg.0.log.  It just sits at a black screen on boot.
[04:18] <xgt001> Qwell_: same here
[04:18] <Qwell_> fantastic
[04:18] <jbicha> are you using LightDM or GDM, and is this your first boot after upgrading to Oneiric?
[04:18] <xgt001> i have to go to recovery mode and resume to normal boot frm there
[04:19] <Qwell_> I've rebooted several times.  It was some update in the last day or so.
[04:19] <Qwell_> and gdm, unless lightdm was forced upon me without me knowing
[04:19] <jbicha> I think I heard about a problem with GDM, you should probably try LightDM
[04:20] <jbicha> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[04:23] <xgt001> anyone using catalyst 11.9
[04:31] <Qwell_> Well, that was fun.  LightDM decided it was going to eat my VTs.
[04:34] <Qwell_> As far as I can tell, plymouth(?) is trying to hand off to something.  Now that I've switched to gdm, it's just sitting there, now even getting to the black screen.
[05:01] <Qwell_> My issue is #811411.
[05:01] <Qwell_> I'll bite my tongue and not rant about /run/ here.  Thanks for the help.
[05:09] <magn3ts> JFC
[05:09] <magn3ts> How do I restart lightdm
[05:09] <magn3ts> What is the equivalent of /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
[05:13] <jbicha> sudo service lightdm restart
[05:16] <magn3ts> didn't work when I tried it.
[05:24] <jbicha> try it with start maybe
[05:27] <dodgyville> Hi
[05:27] <dodgyville> Alright, I feel like an idiot, I've upgraded to 11.10, but now in nautilus the "up" button is gone (to navigate to the parent directory) ... how do I switch it on?
[05:30] <jbicha> dodgyville: you can't, you can use the "breadcrumbs" or you can use Go>Open Parent or the keyboard shortcut
[05:31] <urlin2u> dodgyville, isn't it a left arrow now in the top panel, I'm in Natty at the .moment and never use that method
[05:32] <dodgyville> urlin2u: the left arrow is the previous directory, not the parent :(
[05:32] <urlin2u> dodgyville, ah, I see.
[05:32] <dodgyville> jbicha: hmm, thanks ... how do I switch from location to breadcrumbs?
[05:34] <jbicha> try Esc
[05:35] <dodgyville> nup
[06:45] <AAA_awright> I just upgraded and it seems to have done away with all my old desktop settings... Is there some way to recover them?
[06:45] <AAA_awright> The default font size (related to the DPI setting I think) has about doubled and I can't locate the setting for it
[06:51] <lgp171188> Hi I just did a "sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" and I get a warning like "GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric InRelease: File /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message
[06:51] <lgp171188> " for all the repos that I have addded. What could be the problem here?
[07:02] <AAA_awright> ... Where'd all the gnome settings apps go, what happened to the theme control panel
[07:03] <AAA_awright> The dask directs a search for "Theme" to "Appearence" which only lets me change my desktop background, not very helpful
[07:09] <Stanley00> AAA_awright: appearence has 3 themes in there now, AIK
[07:09] <AAA_awright> I can't configure any of them
[07:10] <Stanley00> AAA_awright: you have to hardcode the text file if you want...
[07:10] <Stanley00> AAA_awright: some where in /usr/share/themes/*
[07:10] <sburwood1> I'm on this channel with my desktop.  I have an EEEPC that, since I upgraded to 11.10 can't find wireless anymore.  Anyone wanna tell me what to do?  The applet in the taskbar isn't there and I can't access wireless anymore
[07:11] <AAA_awright> I don't recall needing to modify system files to do any of this
[07:13] <Stanley00> AAA_awright: they are not system file, just some "simple" xml files ;)
[07:13] <AAA_awright> Last time I checked /usr/share contains shared data
[07:14] <sburwood1> Is anyone there?
[07:15] <BigWhale> Greetings
[07:15] <sburwood1> Hi, BigWhale
[07:16] <BigWhale> hey sburwood1.
[07:16] <sburwood1> I'm looking for help with getting wireless back for my eeepc
[07:17] <adammw111> Hi. How do I go about debugging hibernate, ie. the reason that it's not in the menu.
[07:17] <AAA_awright> It's not in my menu either
[07:17] <AAA_awright> I don't think it works
[07:18] <sburwood1> AAA_awright: If you're talking to me, I can't get wireless to work, with or without the icon.  And this since I upgraded to 11.10
[07:18] <iceroot> sburwood1: what eepc? which wifi-chipset
[07:19] <sburwood1> iceroot: As for the chipset, haven't a clue.  It's a 1005HA
[07:19] <AAA_awright> sburwood1: Uh, I've only been using wired... Wireless appears to be connected for me but let's see here
[07:19] <AAA_awright> Yeah, works for me so idk what to say
[07:19] <sburwood1> iceroot: I'm a relative newbie ... I can follow orders, but don't know them
[07:22] <sburwood1> AAA_awright: I've cables, but haven't yet tried to do wired.  Of course, if I have a portable PC, it isn't necessarily meant to stay put
[07:23] <BigWhale> I think I'll have to get rid of my RAID5 and install on a single drive
[07:23] <BigWhale> alternate CD seems to be broken
[07:23] <BigWhale> :/
[07:39] <benoliver999> I installed the drivers off the ATI website, now everything is broken.
[07:40] <benoliver999> Sorry, graphics card drivers.
[07:41] <benoliver999> Wallpaper shows, as does rainlendar, but I get no unity bar etc...
[07:41] <benoliver999> When I try to switch windows, it looks like metacity.
[08:08] <benoliver999> OK so what's the best way to get hold of the ATI drivers, jockey or manually?
[08:19] <voidr> hello, how can I turn my touchpad off? when I try it with the hardware switch the indicator pops up, but it does not get disabled
[09:09] <amit_> hii
[09:09] <amit_> Ubuntu Oneiric beta one asking for partial upgrade?? SHould I continue?
[09:35] <dr_willis> hmm
[10:11] <voidr> hid3, how do I report a touchpad related problem? I tried ubuntu-bug but it lacks the option for that
[10:11] <voidr> *hi
[12:02] <rooks> does ubuntu+1 beta update gracefully into full when the time is right, or is it treated as a release-update from beta to regular?
[12:03] <rooks> and why you missed out on calling it Orly Owl...
[12:04] <arand> rooks: It is supposed to, too simple a name I reckon.
[12:06] <yofel> just hope that P get's a sane name ^^
[12:06] <yofel> *gets
[12:06]  * rooks calls dibs on Pink Pony
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:09] <xgt001> my system only boots up to gui in recovery mode when I select resume normal mode
[13:10] <xgt001> it won't boot in normal mode
[13:10] <xgt001> this is after I installed catalyst 11.9 drivers
[13:10] <xgt001> any idea?
[13:42] <siganderson> I installed gnome-shell... the system tray is not working how I expected... i.e. if I minimize xchat or emesene I don't see anymore the program and I must kill it; how can I solve this?
[13:49] <jatoo> i'm getting some system crashes on 11.10 beta-2, with a whole bunch of text ending in "[  770.650053] panic occurred, switching back to text console" and then i have to hard reboot.  any advice on solving this?  also, how should i report this bug? willing to do some work for a good bug report if needed.
[14:00] <aj00200> jatoo: try checking kern.log
[14:00] <bjsnider> siganderson, there's a notification plugin for xchat-gnome that works with gnome-shell
[14:03] <jatoo> aj00200: i have it open now, i've found the point where the time jumps (to when i rebooted) but nothing stands out (don't really know what i'm looking for though)
[14:04] <siganderson> bjsnider, but do I need to install some other thing? It seems that nothing is working in the system tray
[14:04] <siganderson> not only xchat
[14:04] <bjsnider> jatoo, you did install all of the hundreds of updates that have come out since beta 2 right?
[14:05] <aj00200> jatoo: that [  770.650053] line should be in there. There might be a clue to what went wrong. Sadly, I've never been able to find the source of my Kernel panics either...
[14:05] <jatoo> yep, and i'm on ubuntu main
[14:06] <jatoo> ok, it looks like that line isn't there :S it gets up to ~764
[14:06] <bjsnider> siganderson, what exactly do you expect will happen? maybe you're not aware of some changes that have happened between gnome 2 and gnome 3
[14:10] <bjsnider> the top panel no longer has a system tray at all. the notification area is along the bottom of the screen and is normally hidden. you can check it by moving the mouse to the bottom right corner, or go to overview
[14:11] <bjsnider> also, i'm not sure minimizing windows is necessary anymore. i'd just give each app its own virtual desktop and let them notify you using the notification area if they need attention
[14:16] <aj00200> jatoo: maybe see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelOops
[14:17] <onder> Hey there.
[14:17] <onder> Can I report a problem from here?
[14:18] <aj00200> onder: no. You should probably report bugs on Launchpad
[14:18] <jatoo> aj00200:  cool thanks.
[14:19] <allu4> i'd like to ask few questions, How is ubuntu 11.10 suppose to support accessibility with orca? will unity work with orca, i'm in believe it didn't on 11.04
[14:21] <aj00200> I'm going to guess that that question would be better directed at teh people who make Orca
[14:22] <peppy> hi, how can I enable visual effects in oneiric?
[14:22] <onder> They should be enabled by default, peppy.
[14:23] <peppy> well it's not for me...
[14:24] <peppy> plus I can't open the visual effects setting screen from the appearance screen
[14:25] <onder> Ubuntu 11.10 doesn't have that window.
[14:25] <onder> Maybe installing CompizConfigSettingsManager can help you.
[14:26] <onder> Search it on USC by typing shortly "ccsm".
[14:27] <peppy> onder: ok, will give it a try
[14:33] <onder> peppy, please give us feedback through here.
[14:34] <peppy> will do
[14:34] <peppy> ccsm crashes
[14:37] <onder> Well, that package has some problems. When you finished up customizing, you may need to logout and re-login.
[14:39] <peppy> onder: ok, I have to go to the gaz station anyway so will shutdown and reboot once I'm back... let you know how the reboot went
[14:46] <graingert> I can't seem to resize by shadow
[14:46] <graingert> on Unity oneiric
[14:46] <graingert> is that expected?
[14:51] <os_> hi
[14:56] <os_> my laptop suspends after a period of time although i set the buttery settings so doesn't suspend .
[15:04] <Stanley00> os_: are you sure it's suppends? maybe a screensaver?
[15:10] <graingert> os_: yep this is a known issue
[15:10] <graingert> os_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/860485
[15:11] <graingert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/860485/comments/15 seems to work for me
[15:11] <graingert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/860485/comments/20 is a better soln
[15:12] <benoliver999> I'm having trouble downloading from the 'additional drivers' - can't get the ATI one.
[15:13] <graingert> benoliver999: what happens?
[15:13] <benoliver999> graingert: I'm just going to try again to get it exaclty right.
[15:14] <graingert> jockey-gtk is the app
[15:14] <benoliver999> graingert: Do I go for post-release?
[15:14] <benoliver999> graingert: That's what I tried before.
[15:15] <graingert> I'm on version current [Recommended]
[15:15] <benoliver999> graingert: OK I'm trying that.
[15:15] <graingert> go for the recomended one
[15:16] <benoliver999> None of them say recommended, there are two options. Both are FGLRX, one says '(post release updates)'
[15:17] <graingert> odd
[15:17] <graingert> go for the non beta one I guess
[15:18] <benoliver999> OK I didn't get an error this time
[15:18] <benoliver999> Rebooting
[15:19] <graingert> benoliver999: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQ0MA
[15:20] <benoliver999> It seems to have worked, but I'm getting tearing with video, and when dragging windows around.
[15:22] <benoliver999> I don't remember that well, but wasn't there some sort of ATI settings manager you could download?
[15:23] <benoliver999> graingert: Thanks for the link btw
[15:30] <alexd285> Hello,  can I somehow enable GS Desktop recording (Ctrt+Alt+Shift+R) in Ubuntu 11.10 ?
[15:34] <os_> ok thanks everyone
[15:38] <ali1234> has anyone else noticed window snapping problems?
[15:38] <ali1234> as in windows won't unsnap?
[15:39] <alexd285> ali1234, not me
[15:40] <ali1234> it might be because i have two monitors
[15:40] <alexd285> ali1234, aha, I have just one.. but you can also try with one to see
[15:42] <alexd285> Whats the Ctrt+Alt+Shift+R function so I can add it on a shortcut?
[15:47] <alexd285> anyone knows how Ctrt+Alt+Shift+R works on GS?
[16:03] <peppy> onder: hi again, I've tried to restart as discussed earlier and now I must start unity manually after logging in, the visual effects work now even if ccsm still crashes every once in a while
[16:06] <onder> peppy: That compiz related bugs...
[16:06] <peppy> onder: yep
[16:07] <peppy> onder: after installing the ccsm i had to restart and now when ever I login unitiy is of...
[16:08] <onder> peppy: I would like to help you but that is compiz package related bug and unfortunately I can't help on this.
[16:09] <Guest99367> Why in WIN7 system overall after the installation of 11.10BETA2, prompts the hard disk error, even after the update can not enter the system! That the disc reformatted after a no disk error!
[16:09] <onder> peppy: I'm facing with same issue.
[16:09] <peppy> onder: no problem, will continue to dig a little deeper... let you know if I found out something
[16:10] <onder> I have tried to solve this by logging into Unity 2D, logout and log back in to the normal Unity.
[16:10] <onder> And that helped me.
[16:10] <mokoloko> is there unity music lens for clementine? :) that would be awesome
[16:10] <onder> peppy: Thanks. :].
[16:12] <onder> mokoloko: In this release, all lenses available through Dash.
[16:14] <onder> mokoloko: If you are asking about a specific lens for Clementine, the answer you will get is going to be "No!".
[16:22] <BigWhale> Greetings...
[16:23] <BigWhale> Did anyone report any problems with booting from raid+lvm?
[16:24] <mokoloko> onder ok :) heh hopefully then someone wants to make one
[16:26] <onder> mokolok: Maybe it will be you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses :].
[16:26] <SpudWLike> Hi room.  I'm planning my moves to Oneiric.  I currently use Evolution, with lots of folders and filters, mainly for mailing lists.  Is there any way I can transfer these over to Thunderbird, recreating them anew is proving to be a less than trivial task.
[16:27] <mokoloko> :D mmm m
[16:29] <aboudreault> Hi
[16:29] <onder> SpudWLike: This link may help you: http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-migrate-from-evolution-to-thunderbird-in-ubuntu-intrepid/2008/12/04
[16:29] <aboudreault> Does anyone installed Oneiric beta2 + gnome3 ?
[16:30] <onder> Yes.
[16:30] <aboudreault> I' m trying to get gnome-shell-extension to work but ... doesn' t seem to work well
[16:30] <aboudreault> it seems that some extension are not read properly... or are invalid. I don' t see them in gnome tweak tool.
[16:30] <aboudreault> Also, other exts are showed but does nothing... ie. alternalte-tab, dock.
[16:31] <aboudreault> onder, how did you install gnome-shell exts?
[16:31] <onder> aboudreault: I did not do anything special, it has installed itself when I'm updating the system.
[16:32] <Seven_Six_Two> So sad. Installed Oneiric on laptop, everything was perfect. Did updates and rebooted, now can't get desktop. No messages, no panels, no icons, can't switch to any consoles. Have to alt+sysrq to get out of it.
[16:33] <aboudreault> and you installed extensions?
[16:36] <onder> No.
[16:36] <aboudreault> ok
[16:37] <onder> Seven_Six_Two: Logout and login to Unity 2D, then logout again and log back in default Unity.
[16:38] <Seven_Six_Two> onder, is that a fix or a test?
[16:39] <onder> Seven_Six_Two: It's a solution for me.
[16:40] <onder> Sometimes I'm facing with same issue.
[16:40] <Seven_Six_Two> onder, ok, one moment. I'll give it a shot. do you have to do that frequently?
[16:44] <Seven_Six_Two> hm. nope. unity2d works, kde works too. still no unity
[16:45] <Seven_Six_Two> and no panels, popups or icons
[16:47] <Seven_Six_Two> I really don't understand why the terminals (alt+ctrl+F1) aren't working. They weren't disabled like alt+ctrl+backspace was, were they?
[16:49] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks for your help onder. I'm just going to use opensuse for this one
[16:58] <Seven_Six_Two> for being so close to a release date, this channel is surprisingly dead
[16:58] <sburwood1> How do I need to enable wireless?  I am administrator of the computer, but don't know the command line to enable the wireless
[16:59] <sburwood1> It's on an EEEPC
[16:59] <sburwood1> Seven_Six_Two: I am there to ask something
[16:59] <Seven_Six_Two> sburwood1, you're using oneiric?
[17:00] <sburwood1> yes, beta 2
[17:00] <sburwood1> Seven_Six_Two: Yes, beta 2
[17:00] <sburwood1> Seven_Six_Two: The EEEPC is using the 32 bit version
[17:00] <bjsnider> Seven_Six_Two, only dead because it's sunday
[17:01] <sburwood1> bjsnider: Any answer to the question to enable wireless?
[17:02] <sburwood1> Well, I'll be back in a half hour because I'm going to eat dinner
[17:02] <sburwood1> c u soon
[17:02] <Seven_Six_Two> sburwood1, wireless should be enabled by default
[17:02] <Seven_Six_Two> sburwood1, I experienced a bug that caused no networks to be shown
[17:04] <sburwood1> Seven_Six_Two: It was with 11.04.  Since I upgraded to oneric, my EEE doesn't have any wireless.  I opened oneric with lxde and found the icon that said (I confirmed it by clicking on the icon) that the wireless was disabled, period
[17:05] <sburwood1> Seven_Six_Two: It says "Wireless Networks" and, uncer that, it says "wireless is disabled"
[17:05] <sburwood1> Seven_Six_Two: Can't be any clearer than that
[17:05] <Seven_Six_Two> sburwood1, sorry, not sure. I just ended up logging out and in to kde.
[17:05] <Seven_Six_Two> sburwood1, It's a beta though, and not quite ready
[17:06] <sburwood1> Seven_Six_Two: Yes, but a beta 2 should be close to ready, shouldn't it?
[17:06] <Seven_Six_Two> sburwood1, it should be, but there's 2 weeks left. I'm not doing any more updates until the release
[17:06] <sburwood1> Seven_Six_Two: And I don't have kde listed as an option to boot
[17:07] <sburwood1> be back soon
[17:14] <aboudreault> damn, I can' t get extension to be showed in gnome tweak tool
[17:15] <bjsnider> aboudreault, alt+f type lg
[17:15] <bjsnider> alt+f2
[17:15] <bjsnider> you can check error msgs
[17:17] <bjsnider> all the extensions have to be updated for 3.2, the api has changed a bit
[17:18] <aboudreault> even alt+f2 doesn't work
[17:18] <aboudreault> lg command not found
[17:19] <aboudreault> bjsnider, I installed the extension via git. Are they supposed to be updated?
[17:19] <bjsnider> the official extensions have not been updated yet, so they won't work
[17:19] <aboudreault> so are there extension I can use now with ubuntu oneiric?
[17:20] <aboudreault> and how can I know if an extension will work or not.
[17:22] <bjsnider> an extension will work if, in metadata.json, it says gnome-shell version is 3.2
[17:24] <aboudreault> bjsnider, Could I downgrade to gnome-shell 3.0 ?
[17:24] <bjsnider> actually the extensions look like htey should work
[17:24] <bjsnider> they'll get close anyway
[17:24] <bjsnider> they've had function main replaced by function init
[17:26] <bjsnider> go to ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ and make sure the gnome-shell version is 3.2.0 in each of the metadata.json files
[17:27] <bjsnider> afterwards, restart gnome-shell by doing alt+f2 'r'
[17:28] <aboudreault> can' t get alt-f2 to show
[17:29] <bjsnider> that usually means gnome-shell isn't running
[17:29] <aboudreault> I see that the Shut Down extension still uses the main function... I assume it will not work even if I change the metadata
[17:31] <bjsnider> it might create its own function main but as long as it has init it should work, or get close to working
[17:37] <jimlovell777> Will 11.10 ship with gnome 3.2 or < 3.2?
[17:38] <bjsnider> 3.2 is already in oneiric
[17:38] <jimlovell777> bjsnider: Ah, ok. Thanks. I just downloaded the lastest ISO (I thought) and it says 3.1.92.
[17:39] <JanC> 3.1.92 is just 3.2 development version
[17:41] <JanC> I'd expect the release will have 3.2.1 or such (if the first bugfix release of GNOME is out by then)
[17:41] <jimlovell777> JanC: Ok cool. I'm sure you know why I was curious. That's great news to me. Thanks.
[17:41] <jtaylor> if you update you'll get the 3.2 version number
[17:42] <bjsnider> jimlovell777, the daily-livecd is the latest
[17:42] <bjsnider> the beta2 cd is very old at this point
[17:42] <jbicha> 3.2.1 comes out the week after 11.10
[18:04] <roasted> Hello
[18:04] <roasted> Well that's disappointing
[18:05] <penguin42> Hye Roasted
[18:05] <roasted> Installed beta 2 and it hardly functions
[18:05] <penguin42> in what way?
[18:05] <roasted> Unity is flipping out with having disk screens so I installed gnome shell and it's doing the same
[18:05] <penguin42>  'disk screens' ?
[18:06] <roasted> Just rebooted hoping it would make it work
[18:06] <roasted> Dual
[18:06] <roasted> Sorry i'm on my phone
[18:06] <roasted> Lol
[18:06] <penguin42> ah - so you've got a graphics driver problem
[18:06] <roasted> Seems so
[18:06] <penguin42> which graphics card?
[18:06] <roasted> Nvidia 9600
[18:07]  * penguin42 doesn't know Nvidia stuff myself - so stick around and hopefully an Nvidia user will turn up
[18:07] <roasted> There's a lot of driver option for some reason
[18:07] <roasted> I have no idea whats best
[18:08] <roasted> Hmm there's one here recommended
[18:08] <roasted> Let's give that a shot
[18:11] <roasted> Yeah
[18:11] <roasted> This is horrible
[18:15] <roasted_> hi
[18:15] <roasted_> any nvidia users
[18:15] <roasted_> major problems @ beta 2 here
[18:15] <bjsnider> did you apply the 250+ updates to beta 2?
[18:16] <roasted_> uh
[18:16] <roasted_> I thought I grabbed the nightly build
[18:16] <roasted_> sec, maybe I didnt
[18:16] <roasted_> 427 updates available. no I didnt...
[18:17] <bjsnider> yeah, do that thing and see if it helps
[18:17] <roasted_> derp derp. should have thought of that.
[18:20] <drapedup> roasted_: you're using a 9600?
[18:20] <roasted_> yeah
[18:20] <roasted_> gt
[18:20] <drapedup> gt
[18:20] <drapedup> ok
[18:20] <drapedup> what drivers were you using before you tried to install beta
[18:20] <roasted_> uh. to be honest... I'm not sure. I assume 173????
[18:21] <drapedup> and what's happening when you install the new ones
[18:21] <drapedup> no display output ?
[18:21] <roasted_> they install fine. it's logging in that it acts weird.
[18:21] <roasted_> like my 2nd monitor is all gray
[18:21] <roasted_> if I hover the mouse over, I get an X for the cursor
[18:21] <roasted_> I cannot drag windows to it, but I CAN drag my mouse to it where I get the X for the cursor
[18:21] <roasted_> this is with unity
[18:21] <drapedup> ah
[18:22] <roasted_> if I log into gnome shell it does the same thing but it appears as if gnome shell doesnt even fully load
[18:22] <roasted_> I dont have the activities menu. I just have a gray top bar.
[18:23] <drapedup> hmm interesting.
[18:23] <roasted_> but I didn't do the updates, cause I failed at using logic
[18:23] <roasted_> so I'm doing that now... we'll see what happens upon a reboot then
[18:23] <drapedup> yeah that's a good idea. it sounds like not drivers
[18:24] <roasted_> what is it about daily builds?
[18:24] <roasted_> what ARE they essnetially?
[18:24] <drapedup> tell me what happens when you are finished updating
[18:24] <roasted_> I was just being absent minded and thought daily builds were nightly spins of the ISO + updates included
[18:24] <roasted_> that's why I hadn't given updates a second thought
[18:26] <bjsnider> you should be using nvidia-current given that card
[18:26] <roasted_> I don't believe on 11.04 I saw such a thing
[18:26] <roasted_> whereas on 11.10 I did
[18:26] <roasted_> I used the nvidia-current recommended
[18:29] <roasted_> oh boy. updates are done.
[18:31] <roasted_> login screen hanging... nervous...
[18:31] <roasted_> yep. did nothing. SWEET.
[18:32] <bjsnider> what session are yu trying for?
[18:32] <roasted_> that was gnome shell. rebooted and trying unity.
[18:34] <roasted_> same thing for unity
[18:34] <roasted_> updates did nothing
[18:35] <bjsnider> so try for unity2d
[18:36] <roasted_> same thing for unity 2d
[18:37] <roasted_> maybe this would be a good time to test drive kubuntu for a month till 11.10 is finalized?
[18:37] <bjsnider> ok, so reboot to the kernel screen and pick safe mode
[18:37] <bjsnider> you can see the grub screen by holding shift
[18:37] <roasted_> and do what in safe mode?
[18:37] <roasted_> yeah
[18:37] <bjsnider> you can check for driver issues
[18:38] <roasted_> where?
[18:38] <bjsnider> if you can log in to a session that says something
[18:39] <roasted_> so what am I doing. root shell?
[18:39] <bjsnider> no
[18:45] <roasted_> then what am I oding?
[18:45] <roasted_> I see resume, fsck, remount, and root shell
[18:45] <roasted_> that's all I seei n recovery mode
[18:48] <bjsnider> root shell
[18:48] <bjsnider> then type dkms status
[18:48] <bjsnider> then check for /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:48] <roasted_> I backed up xorg before I got the newest driver
[18:48] <roasted_> for what it's worth
[18:48] <soee> hi, guys is there ubuntu one clinet for kubuntu ?
[18:51] <bjsnider> roasted_, did you do a clean install while keeping your home directory?
[18:52] <roasted_> my home directory is on a software raid. I did the fresh install with my entire primary hdd being root, with intention of installing mdadm and changing my home directory to be my mirror'd share
[18:52] <roasted_> so I have 3 drives. 1x30gb for ubuntu, and 2x1TB that are mdadm mirror for home.
[18:52] <roasted_> so I didnt touch my home directory yet.
[18:53] <roasted_> I wanted to sort out any video issues first so I didnt waste time tinkering with my home file system. I figured that way if need be I can easily tank it and put kubuntu on it to test drive for a month, which Ive been meaning to do anyway
[18:53] <roasted_> but 11.10 ran SO great on my laptop I thought ofr sure I'd hit a winner here, butit's proving to have been a bad idea.
[18:53] <bjsnider> so currently home is mounted on the primary hdd?
[18:54] <roasted_> currently yes
[18:55] <bjsnider> well, check that out and make sure the permissions are ok too
[18:55] <bjsnider> /home/user should be owned by user and 755
[18:56] <roasted_> that shouldnt matter for having video issues....
[18:57] <bjsnider> assuming you have video issues
[18:58] <bjsnider> but loggin into a session is where all of the userland files come into play
[18:59] <roasted_> true
[18:59] <roasted_> let me check
[19:02] <farciarz84> hi, after last update sound at my ubuntu 11.10 is not working. How to check what's wrong and when to start?
[19:03] <roasted_> up
[19:03] <roasted_> perms are good
[19:03] <roasted_> Ill just go back and wait for final release
[19:03] <farciarz84> sound indicator is aviable but in sound settings there is no hardware to select
[19:03] <keithclark> I just installed beta2 but I have no wireless.  It is broadcom
[19:03] <roasted_> I really shoudlnt have jumped the gun like I did
[19:03] <roasted_> keithclark - check restricted drivers?
[19:03] <keithclark> roasted_, yup, nothing available
[19:04] <farciarz84> dpkg reconfigure?
[19:05] <farciarz84> in sound settings (output) I have dummy stereo
[19:06] <keithclark> ok, I'm sick and tired of this same wireless issue.  How do I burn another .iso on to my usb stick?  I have Fedora but the Startup Disk Creater does not want to burn it.
[19:06] <farciarz84> hot to check if I have proper sound drivers avaiable ?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, lspci | grep -i audio
[19:09] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: nothing, I have andybridge built-in audio
[19:09] <farciarz84> sandy*
[19:09] <Azelphur> Just installed Ubuntu 11.10, It's hanging after "* Checking battery state... [ OK ]"
[19:09] <Azelphur> any ideas?
[19:10] <keithclark> Ok, thanks for the help folks...I'll move to another distro
[19:10] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, sudo aplay -l
[19:10] <farciarz84> aplay: device_list:240: no soundcards found...
[19:11] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: does it look like it is turn off in BIOS?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, did you just install a pci soundcard ?
[19:12] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: no
[19:12] <BluesKaj> cat /proc/asound/cards
[19:12] <farciarz84> Before upgrade everything was fine
[19:12] <farciarz84> but I aslo have changed some settings in BIOS
[19:13] <farciarz84> cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[19:14] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, make sure your audio card/codec , however it is designated in the BIOS is enabled or on auto
[19:16] <Azelphur> that's weird, I can see in Xorg.0.log it's installed nvidia 173...on a stock install?
[19:17] <Azelphur> stock install automatically installs outdated versions of the driver that don't work with my card now. Nice :D
[19:17] <siganderson> how do I change the default session in lightdm?
[19:18] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: looks like I have broken packages (libavc). How to resolve confiltcs?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get -f install , then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:20] <Azelphur> just run jockey over ssh, it really has installed nvidia proprietary 173 on a brand new, never booted before OS install
[19:21] <Azelphur> what's up with that? :S
[19:22] <BluesKaj> Azelphur,  install nvidia-current
[19:22] <Azelphur> yea, I can install it just weird that on a default install it would install (unneeded) proprietary drivers
[19:23] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: I got 4 not updated after sudo apt-get upgrade, after -f install -> libavcodec53 : Depends: libavutil51 (>= 4:0.7.2-1ubuntu1) ale nie zostanie zainstalowany lub libavutil-extra-51 (>= 4:0.7.2) ale 4:<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 ma zostać zainstalowany
[19:23] <farciarz84> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[19:24] <keithclark> I cannot seem to get my broadcom 4318 card to work
[19:25] <BluesKaj> farciarz84,  just run sudo apt-get -f install ...what output do you get
[19:25] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[19:25] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: nothig
[19:26] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, that's good now update agin
[19:27] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: 0 aktualizowanych, 0 nowo instalowanych, 0 usuwanych i 4 nieaktualizowanych. That's mean 0 updating 0 new installed 0 removed and 4 not updating
[19:28] <farciarz84> BluesKaj:  libavcodec53 libavformat53 libpostproc52 libswscale2
[19:28] <farciarz84> these packages were stopped
[19:28] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, packages held back is common on beta ..wait till the next updates become available
[19:28] <keithclark> Anyone to help with my broadcom issue?
[19:29] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: is it why my sound is not working?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> keithclark, did you the broadcom post above?
[19:29] <keithclark> Yes
[19:30] <BluesKaj> farciarz84, make sure your audio card/codec , however it is designated in the BIOS is enabled or on auto
[19:32] <BluesKaj> keithclark, ifconfig ...pastebin the output ...we need some info
[19:32] <farciarz84> BluesKaj: ok will be back after restart
[19:32] <farciarz84> thx
[19:32] <hid3> Hello everyone. 11.10 will be released soon. Is there any strategy on mirroring the new release?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> hid3, strategy ??
[19:33] <Azelphur> Is version current newer than post-release updates?
[19:33] <Azelphur> on the nvidia drivers
[19:34] <hid3> BluesKaj: yeah, FYI Ubuntu CDs and packages are being distributed by many (if not much) independent mirrors). And sometimes they get overloaded, website crashes and etc during the release
[19:34] <Azelphur> hid3, the same can be said for any large release, the plan is the same as it's always been "Lots of server power, cross fingers"
[19:34] <BluesKaj> the current version is what it is ..post-releae updates would reflect the any changes to the current version
[19:35] <Azelphur> hid3, if you wanna help, use torrents instead of direct download :)
[19:35] <Azelphur> and seed, of course
[19:35] <keithclark> BluesKaj, http://pastebin.ca/2086301
[19:35] <Azelphur> BluesKaj, fun, btw might want to recommend using jockey-text instead of installing the package as it doesn't activate the driver. :)
[19:36] <jpds> hid3: The price/curse of being popular.
[19:36] <jpds> hid3: Yo. o/
[19:36] <hid3> Azelphur: actually during last release (11.04) my mirror server had almost no load while other were breaking. Wonder maybe there will be some improvements this season ;-)
[19:36] <hid3> well said, jpds ;-)
[19:37] <Azelphur> hid3, interesting, perhaps it's time for the ubuntu website to select mirrors intelligently :)
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Azelphur, I assume ppl know to stop the dm in order to install and make the driver active ..guess I should have mentioned that
[19:37] <Azelphur> BluesKaj, it's easier to just jockey-text :)
[19:37] <hid3> Azelphur: the site should do! But as we saw (and some still can see) that this feature was/is malfunctioning
[19:37] <jpds> hid3: I thought I fixed the code; I'll check it's status on Monday.
[19:37] <keithclark> OK, Nobody can help with the wireless issue?  Time to move on
[19:37] <hid3> jpds: do you mean the site's load balancer fix?
[19:37] <Azelphur> keithclark, try connecting to ethernet and doing an update first
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Azelphur, i'm guilty of ignoring jockey :)
[19:38] <Azelphur> don't hate jockey :o
[19:38] <keithclark> Azelphur, done that
[19:38] <jpds> hid3: It was a ISO location redirect PHP thing.
[19:38] <BluesKaj> I don't hate it , just don't bother with it
[19:38] <hid3> yeah, same I was talking about. Haven't checked it recently, let me check it in a few minutes!
[19:38] <Azelphur> keithclark, what type of adapter is it? internal to a laptop or usb?
[19:39] <Azelphur> have you confirmed the card is physically working (Does it work in a different OS?)
[19:39] <bjsnider> keithclark, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[19:39] <keithclark> Azelphur, internal broadcin 4318
[19:40] <Azelphur> tis in the list of supported devices that bjsnider linked o.O
[19:40] <hid3> jpds: Nope, at least from <IP_ADDRESS>/24 it still offeres ISO downloads from UK mirrors (and I'm really NOT in UK)
[19:40] <jpds> hid3: I know; I'll poke it on Monday and see what its status is.
[19:41] <hid3> Good to hear that! If you'll need any testing or might feel I can be helpful in any way, jsut don't hesitate to contact me or drop me a message! Always willing to help.
[19:42] <hid3> I can check from three different AS'es (and 4 different subnets) in my country
[19:42] <keithclark> Maybe there is  a distro smart enough to be broadcom friendly?
[19:45] <bjsnider> keithclark, i linked to that document so you could go through that troubleshooting. did you do that?
[19:46] <Azelphur> Can you still fallback to / install Gnome 2 on 11.10?
[19:46] <Azelphur> (I like unity and use it on my laptops, but for quad screen it falls over and dies a painful death)
[19:46] <bjsnider> no
[19:47] <Azelphur> it's not even packaged or anything/
[19:47] <Azelphur> ?*
[19:47] <bjsnider> there's unity2d and gnome fallback
[19:47] <Azelphur> ah cool, I want gnome fallback :)
[19:47] <Azelphur> how does one get that? :D
[19:48] <Azelphur> it's not on the login screen like with 11.04
[19:48] <bjsnider> install gnome-session-fallback
[19:48] <bjsnider> choose it from the login screen
[19:48] <Azelphur> nice, ty :D
[19:48] <bjsnider> it's not gnome 2
[19:48] <Ian_Corne> anyone know if fglrx works yet?
[19:54] <keithclark> Ok,no worries, I'll just go back to the Windows recovery disks
[19:55] <BluesKaj> keithclark, did try your ethernet connection ?
[19:56] <keithclark> BluesKaj, yes, wired works fine
[19:59] <scientist> keithclark, you should search the forums with the model number of the broadcom card
[20:00] <keithclark> scientist, I did
[20:00] <keithclark> via google
[20:00] <scientist> nothing?
[20:00] <keithclark> nope
[20:00] <keithclark> obviously or it would be working!
[20:00] <scientist> thanks.
[20:01] <Q-FUNK> in gnome3, what exactly is that speech bubble icon with 3 dots in it supposed to represent, in the upper-right panel?
[20:01] <escott> Q-FUNK, chat (empathy mostly) but other chat systems as well
[20:02] <Q-FUNK> the bubble is chat programs, yes, but what is the version with 3 dots in the middle supposed to mean?
[20:02] <scientist> keithclark, have you tried using the proprietary driver from windows??
[20:02] <keithclark> scientist, I don't have windows without reinstall
[20:04] <keithclark> Awe well, restore XP it ia
[20:04] <keithclark> is
[20:05] <Q-FUNK> also, am I the only one for whom gnome-screensaver constantly tries to dim the display and, in doing so, steals the focus?
[20:06] <Ian_Corne> My computer suspends after being idle to long..
[20:06] <Q-FUNK> Ian_Corne: after about 30 minutes?
[20:07] <Ian_Corne> I don't know how long exactly
[20:07] <zniavre_> +/- 10mn no ?
[20:07] <Ian_Corne> When i'm gone too long, my computer is suspended :p
[20:07] <Ian_Corne> it's longer then 10 minutes
[20:09] <Q-FUNK> IIRC 10 minutes on battery and 30 minutes on AC.
[20:10] <wenexx> hey people
[20:10] <Ian_Corne> I'm on AC
[20:10] <wenexx> Do here someone know how to boot manualy with grub 1.99? After yesterdays upgrade I only get a command line but I have troubles to load the kernel
[20:11] <jbicha> the power management/suspend bug is known and is high priority for fixing
[20:13] <escott> wenexx, can you boot your old kernel
[20:15] <wenexx> the problem is, I don't know how to do this. the command line?
[20:15] <wenexx> I always get "file not found"
[20:16] <scientist> keithclark: dual boot and copy the driver from the xp side
[20:16] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: wasn't it fixed a couple of days ago?
[20:17] <wenexx> linux /boot/vmlinuz3.0.0-11(I think)-generic root=/dev/sda (i amnot sure, where can I find out) loop= /ubuntu/disks/root.disk ro
[20:17] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: or are you talking about the constant dimming?
[20:17] <escott> wenexx, it depends on if you by default have a grub menu or not. if you dont have a menu on a boot (this is a single OS system) you can press ?escape? ?f1? to get the menu and select Previous Linux Versions
[20:19] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: here, I routinely have to kill gnome-screensaver, otherwise it constantly tries to dim the display and lock it, even while I'm typing or moving the mouse.
[20:19] <jbicha> Q-FUNK: I thought that the dimming/suspend bug was still present, but I haven't tried testing it
[20:19] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: ah, ok.
[20:19] <drapedup> why not disable gnome-screensaver entirely ?
[20:19] <wenexx> its a dualboot, first I have the windows bootloader let me deside win or ubuntu, than I come to Grub Bash because it's corrupted thince the update
[20:20] <jbicha> Q-FUNK: do you have "Turn off after" set to Never?
[20:20] <escott> wenexx, is grub installed in an mbr or pbr?
[20:20] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: lemme check.
[20:21] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: yes, it's set to never.
[20:21] <aboudreault> does anyone tried LXC on Oneiric
[20:21] <jbicha> Q-FUNK: that's one of the bugs, don't set it to never until it gets fixed
[20:21] <jbicha> I think it's doing turn off after 0 minutes,  which isn't very useful...
[20:21] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: ok. I've put it to 1 hour, for now.  what are the other bugs related to it?
[20:22] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: yes, that's how it looks like.
[20:24] <Q-FUNK> jbicha: in gnome3, for some reason, a value of zero seems to mean "disable" for some items and "time 0" for others.
[20:24] <wenexx> hmm, thats too high for me,
[20:25] <wenexx> I know the mbr
[20:25] <escott> wenexx, how many disks do you have? 1 or 2
[20:25] <wenexx> one disk but two partitions
[20:25] <wenexx> linux is on the second
[20:26] <escott> wenexx, so windows is on the mbr, and grub is on what is called the pbr (its like an mbr for a partition), grub does not like being on the pbr, and gives some loud warnings when you tried to do this
[20:27] <escott> wenexx, that may be the cause of your problems so you mihgt want to put grub on the mbr and chainload windows
[20:27] <DanaG> Say, is Unity really supposed to still hijack my Super key?
[20:27] <wenexx> no grub was very gently saying "file not found"
[20:27] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/704231
[20:27] <DanaG> It says it's fixed in Natty, but maybe it's been re-broken in Oneiric.
[20:27] <DanaG> As an example: pressing super+tab in xev gives me just "tab".  No modifier.
[20:27] <escott> wenexx, im saying that when you first install grub the way you have, it complains and warns that it doesnt work as well in that configuration
[20:28] <wenexx> oha, so how do I get grub in the mbr?
[20:28] <escott> !grub | wenexx
[20:29] <wenexx> and could that endanger windows, becaus it is not my computer and someone would kill me
[20:29] <wenexx> is grub 1.99 grub2?
[20:30] <wenexx> because I installed natty and got grub 1.9xy
[20:30] <escott> wenexx, 1.99=grub2, and for most people grub boots windows just fine
[20:31] <wenexx> oh. that explains a lot
[20:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, easybcd in Windows can chain to grub2.
[20:33] <wenexx> ok thank you escott. I will try this
[20:34] <DanaG> Say, what's with the annoying popping on volume change?
[20:34] <DanaG> It's like the mac sound effect, but happens continuously.
[20:34] <DanaG> Rather than single "pop" sounds, it's "popopopopopopopopopopopopopop"
[20:35] <Saamm> Chromium 14 has not been made available even after couple of weeks of release in stable PPA. Any idea how can I get latest Chromium? Thanks
[20:36] <bjsnider> it's continuous when you scroll the volume up continuously
[20:36] <bjsnider> Saamm, i am trying to get in touch with fta about that
[20:36] <bjsnider> the current chromium is spamming .xsession-errors with gtk breakage
[20:36] <Saamm> bjsnider, uhm wat is fta?
[20:37] <bjsnider> that's the guy who packages chromium
[20:37] <Saamm> bjsnider, oh
[20:37] <bjsnider> he hasn't been around recently
[20:39] <DanaG> bjsnider: try it on a laptop with capacitive volume keys.
[20:39] <DanaG> The key repeats quite rapidly.
[20:39] <bjsnider> it's supposed to if you're scrolling the volume up or down
[20:39] <DanaG> Takes like half a second to go from 0% to 100%.
[20:40] <DanaG> ptttthhhhhhbbbt
[20:40] <DanaG> is what it sort of sounds like.
[20:42] <DanaG> It'd be nicer for it to only make a sound every, say, 10%.
[20:42] <DanaG> oh, I see... it's because the key repeats so insanely quickly.
[20:43] <DanaG> I also wish it'd stop asserting my mute pin when volume=0%.
[20:49] <DanaG> Cool, got it to stop doing that mute LED.... set model=lenovo to disable the normal "make mute LED match mixer" logic.
[20:53] <D_Russ> hello everyone
[20:53] <D_Russ> so is 11.10 faster than 11.04?
[20:55] <bjsnider> DanaG, in other words, it's not the sound effect's fault. it's doing exactly what it should. but maybe you should sumbit a bug asking for a feature where if the key repeats insanely fast the sound effect has an upper limit of how fast it repeats
[21:01] <DanaG> Hmm, for now, I've just dpkg-diverted the sound file away.
[21:18] <onder> Where can we post feature requests?
[21:23] <bjsnider> onder you can submit a bug against a package that lacks a feature you want
[21:28] <DanaG> wow, I just accidentally blasted myself with my speakers on my USB sound card.
[21:28] <DanaG> With PulseAudio mixer at 99%, the hardware volume is at 0%.
[21:28] <DanaG> With PulseAudio at 100%, the hardware volume is at about 80%.
[22:06] <BluesKaj> just updated and nvidia-current update gives this : update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf because link group x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf is broken.
[22:33] <InFeDeL> hey all
[22:33] <InFeDeL> how is Oneiric Ocelot
[22:37] <IdleOne> settling into it's new home I suspect
[22:39] <InFeDeL> Idleone have u used it?
[22:39] <IdleOne> have been for almost 6 months now
[22:39] <IdleOne> looking forward to next dev cycle
[22:40] <IdleOne> kinda bored with 11.10 now hehe
[22:40] <InFeDeL> stable?
[22:40] <Guest62192> My EEEPC tells me that wireless is disabled.  How do I enable wireless??
[22:41] <IdleOne> InFeDeL: stable enough I suppose but you should wait until the 13th for the release if you are thinking of upgrading
[22:42] <Tohuw> Can anyone give me a ballpark of how much HD space a vanilla 11.10 desktop install uses?
[22:42] <Guest62192> Wireless with 11.04 was fine, but since I installed oneric beta 2, wireless has disappeared
[22:42] <jtaylor> Tohuw: ~2.5GB
[22:43] <jtaylor> but I think it needs 4GB to install
[22:43] <Tohuw> jtaylor: awesome, thanks
[22:57] <Guest62192> thx
[22:57] <Guest62192> bye
[23:10] <HyperHoax> Hi! Beta testers!
[23:10] <HyperHoax> Could anybody know where can I talk about bugs?
[23:16] <superkiwi> Hi, I have two monitors and but Ubuntu only finds one. What is the proper way to enable dual monitor? I have nvidia card with propr driver enabled. nvidia settings finds two, one is set to disabled. Overwriting xorg.conf in nividia-settings does not seem to be correct procedure.
[23:17] <HyperHoax> Only on 11.10?
[23:23] <Strav> Hi. I'm trying to rebind a shortkey to show the dash in it's default mode (not "run command", since I prefer that it searches through my main applications instead of all the /usr/bin/). Unfortunately I see no such setting in ccsm unity.
[23:27] <jbicha> Strav: that's what the Windows key is for
[23:28] <Strav> jbicha: let me see...
[23:28] <Strav> ah no... you're talking about the <super> key.
[23:28] <Strav> I rebinded it to "run command" but since then I'm not able to get the default dash search back (I wish to rebind the windows key to this search)
[23:29] <Strav> btw, I've search through gconf and couldn't find it either.
[23:30] <roasted_> has anybody had any issues with nvidia and separate X screens on 11.10?
[23:31] <jbicha> Strav: I don't believe the Super key to open the Dash is customizable in 11.10
[23:32] <Strav> well it sure can be assigned to something else, so how do I get the default behavior back.
[23:37] <Strav> should I open a bug for this?
[23:39] <IdleOne> un assign it
[23:40] <Strav> IdleOne: ok, so the default will have remained intact. Let's try.
[23:41] <IdleOne> I don't know but whatever you did to break the intended behavior needs to be undone I would imagine
[23:41] <Strav> IdleOne: you should be proud of me: a real honest support question ;)
[23:42] <IdleOne> Strav: I'll be happy when you learn to use our (this includes you) channels properly :)
[23:43] <Strav> IdleOne: I once had a two hour conversation about clojure in #emacs channel. Those were great times.
[23:44] <IdleOne> again not relevant to Ubuntu and thus off topic
[23:44] <Strav> IdleOne: anyways, disabling the run_command shortkey still defaults me to the run_command menu when pressing <super>
[23:44] <IdleOne> maybe you need to log out and back in for the change to take effect?
[23:44] <Strav> IdleOne: yep, I was about to do this. Let me see.
[23:44] <Strav> brb
[23:45] <irvee> anyone have a definitive win 7 sp1 + 11.10 dual boot guide?
[23:48] <Strav`> IdleOne: now pressing the <super> key has no effect
[23:49] <Strav> IdleOne: care to try reproducing this?
[23:49] <IdleOne> Strav: assign it properly now
[23:50] <Strav`> IdleOne: this kinda is my original question: I don't wish to assign the <super> key to run command but to the default dash search. (cannot find the proper key binding def. for this)
[23:50] <IdleOne> Strav: I'm not running Unity to even look
[23:51] <roasted_> nobody with nvidia up in hurr?
[23:51] <Strav> roasted_: sorry, I have a cheap intel card.
[23:52] <Strav`> IdleOne: well well. I gotta look through launchpad if there's something about it. Thanks anyways.
[23:53] <roasted_> all good. I just dont understand why I have so many driver options.
[23:53] <roasted_> most of them without a version number associated
[23:54] <IdleOne> roasted_: apt-cache show nvidia-current
[23:54] <IdleOne> should return Version: 280.13-0ubuntu4
[23:54] <roasted_> But I would have to install each one and run that command, right?
[23:55] <roasted_> Im actually reinstalling 11.10 right now. I was flirting with kubuntu for a second but I want to go back to 11.10 and see if I can fix it.
[23:56] <IdleOne> roasted_: jockey-gtk usually shows the version number not sure why it doesn't for -current
[23:56] <roasted_> idleone - not sure I understand. if I run that command in terminal will it show me the version number for ALL available options I'm seeing in the hardware driver manager?
[23:56] <roasted_> Because as of now I see like 7 options but only 2 have #'s, and theyre both 173.
[23:57] <roasted_> They do have one that has the [recommended] tag behind it, but I had the same problems using that driver too
[23:57] <IdleOne> hell if I know
[23:57] <IdleOne> lol
[23:57] <roasted_> well damn
[23:57] <roasted_> I tried :P


[08:52] <tjaalton> tset
[08:52] <tjaalton> uh
[08:53] <tjaalton> tab-complete fail
[08:56] <tjaalton> tseliot: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/testing has glvnd
[08:56] <tjaalton> both the lib and mesa built against it
[08:56] <tjaalton> for artful
[09:04] <alkisg> tjaalton: hi, I have another school that reports crashes similar to the previous one: http://termbin.com/rah4
[09:04] <alkisg> In the previous one, I put the staging PPA, and they report it still gets crashes
[09:04] <alkisg> Where would I file a bug report? Should I include the crash dump or just xorg.log.old?
[09:11] <alkisg> Is there a point in testing with the intel driver instead of the modesetting one? Can I test that by just putting "driver intel" in xorg.conf?
[09:22] <tjaalton> upstream
[09:22] <tjaalton> the intel driver has a stub config in /usr/share/doc/x-x-v-intel/
[09:32] <tjaalton> could try newer mesa too, ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/updates
[09:35] <alkisg> Upstream the in modesetting driver? Thank you tjaalton, will do. :)
[09:35] <tjaalton> xserver
[09:35] <alkisg> Ah, ok
[09:36] <tjaalton> just try newer mesa first
[09:36] <alkisg> OK, will do
[09:48] <tseliot> tjaalton: great, thanks!
[10:04] <tjaalton> tseliot: there seems to be some depedency issue preventing upgrade to it
[10:04] <tjaalton> +n
[10:08] <tjaalton> hmm works now
[10:09] <tseliot> ok, good


[13:50] <mup> Issue operator#634 opened: harness.update_config should error out for unknown options <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/634>
[15:07] <mup> PR operator#635 opened: Validate config option existence in testing harness <Created by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/635>
[15:37] <mup> Issue operator#636 opened: Harness provides no means to test ops.model.Application.planned_units() <Created by mmanciop> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/636>


[02:31] <InHisName> Kids asleep.  I'm back for more discussions.
[03:07] <HowdyDoody> Still running
[04:53] <ChinnoDog> I think facebook died
[04:56] <InHisName> Really?  I wouldn't know since I have never signed up.
[04:57] <InHisName> I'm listening to "Vegan Black Metal Chef Episode  Pad Thai"   wanna see it ?
[05:00] <ChinnoDog> pad thai, like most Thai dishes, is best with meat
[05:00] <InHisName> chek it out: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/shortorder/2011/05/vegan_black_metal_chef_makes_p.php
[05:00] <PennBot> Title: Vegan Black Metal Chef Makes Pad Thai - Miami Restaurants and Dining - Short Order (at blogs.miaminewtimes.com)
[05:00] <InHisName> The music track makes up for the missing meat.
[05:02] <InHisName> yawn, g'nite
[10:53] <JonathanD> Morning PA
[11:02] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:05] <JonathanD> howdy rmg51
[11:05] <rmg51> o/
[11:10] <InHisName> Good Morning US  - rmg51, & JonathanD
[11:10] <rmg51> o/
[11:10] <JonathanD> It's the early people party!
[11:10] <JonathanD> Can I get any of you some tea?
[11:11] <InHisName> Prefer cool water
[11:11] <JonathanD> I have a water bottle.
[11:12] <InHisName> Can you send it DCC ?
[11:12] <JonathanD> I have DCC disabled :(
[11:12] <JonathanD> but if you come here to get it, I have some bacon cooking too
[11:12] <InHisName> I may too for all I know.
[11:13] <InHisName> eSlurp  for eWater and eBacon
[11:13] <JonathanD> looks a bit yucky outside.
[11:22] <rmg51> wait till next week and all the rain
[11:22] <JonathanD> I don't want rain
[11:22] <JonathanD> I want to jog.
[11:23] <rmg51> break out the rain suit :-/
[11:23] <JonathanD> I has no rain suit.
[11:23] <JonathanD> I don't even have anything to jog with. just jeans and a tshirt.
[11:24] <rmg51> http://weather.philly.com/US/PA/Philadelphia.html
[11:24] <PennBot> Title: Weather Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Weather Weather | philly.com (at weather.philly.com)
[11:24] <JonathanD> We should cancel the rain.
[11:24] <JonathanD> on account of rain.
[11:28] <rmg51> the rain is canceled due to persistent sunshine :-D
[11:31] <JonathanD> sounds good
[11:32] <rmg51> so does breakfast :-[
[15:18] <ChinnoDog> breakfast++
[15:22] <waltman> bacon++
[15:25] <JonathanD> c++?
[15:27] <andrew> Hmm... Whatever I have for snack tonight, breakfast/lunch/dinner/snack tomorrow, and breakfast/lunch sunday is already getting a ++ from me after last weekend
[15:28] <ChinnoDog> What happened last weekend?
[15:29] <andrew> I'm helping with a scout leadership training which is last weekend and this weekend, and the guy in charge of food for the staff is pretty much given free reign on what he prepares, and he does quite well
[15:29] <waltman> Oh, I thought you meant it would be ++ because last weekend's food was so lousy :)
[15:30] <andrew> No, not at all, those meals were just as good
[15:31] <waltman> I'm hoping for some good food this weekend, too.
[15:31] <andrew> Sunday we had turkey sandwiches for lunch (nothing that special), but they also brought out left over (but freshly cooked) bacon from breakfast, with sprinkles on top
[15:32] <waltman> It's my college reunion this weekend. There's a party tonight which will should have open bar and yummy noms.
[15:33] <waltman> I'm skipping the $140/person dinner tomorrow night, but I'm confident we'll find something else good.
[15:34] <andrew> But dinner last weekend was indian themed, including individually prepared servings of rice pudding
[15:34] <andrew> for a great price that I didn't have to pay (participant's cost covers food & whatnot for the staff)
[15:35] <waltman> awesome
[15:35] <waltman> actually indian might be good tomorrow night.  there are some great places around 40th st, and it'll keep the veggies happy
[15:43] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: picnic?
[15:43] <PennBot> picnic are fun :-D, ChinnoDog
[15:44] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: camping?
[15:44] <PennBot> It has been said that camping is http://geeknic.org/?p=144 June 24th-26th, ChinnoDog
[15:45] <ChinnoDog> How do I add that to the calendar?
[15:45] <andrew> I think the best part about the food over these weekends is that the guy who is running the kitchen does not do anything realated to it for a living (iirc, he does something with small parts)
[15:45] <andrew> which calendar?
[15:45] <ChinnoDog> The upa calendar
[16:47] <pleia2> you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/Administriva and follow the directions :)
[16:47] <PennBot> Title: PennsylvaniaTeam/Administriva - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> It says I could bother lamalex about it
[16:49] <pleia2> or kevin, just email them
[16:49] <pleia2> could ask for admin on it too if you want, they will probably give it to you
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> But then i can't blame lamalex when it isn't updated
[16:51] <pleia2> he lives in Maine now, it needs new admins
[16:51] <pleia2> I'm still an LP admin :(
[16:51] <ChinnoDog> LP?
[16:52] <pleia2> launchpad
[16:56]  * teddy-dbear nominates ChinnoDog for admin :-D
[16:57]  * ChinnoDog hides
[17:34] <ChinnoDog> ok, fine fine. I'll be admin
[17:35] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: Can I be an LPadmin? I just need to know if there are any rules for approving peeps.
[17:36] <pleia2> you'll have to follow up with freelancer, he's the LP team owner
[17:36] <pleia2> (I can't add admins, and I'm not part of the team anymore anyway)
[17:36] <ChinnoDog> k
[21:56] <ChinnoDog> woo, 4 star hotels on priceline ftw
[22:08] <pleia2> woo, 5 star hotels paid for by canonical ftw
[22:08] <pleia2> I see you got lp sorted :)
[22:08] <ChinnoDog> :-)
[22:08] <ChinnoDog> 5 stars? who is rating these hotels? the priceline rating only goes up to 4.
[22:09]  * pleia2 shrugs
[22:30] <ssweeny> agreed. 5-star hotels for free are awesome
[22:30]  * ssweeny still complains about spotty wireless
[22:38] <ChinnoDog> I wonder if wifi equipped computers from the US are tuned for US wifi frequencie
[22:38] <ChinnoDog> frequencies
[22:40] <ChinnoDog> Oh. The bands are the same but some slots aren't always allowed. I thought the bands were shifted.
[22:44] <ssweeny> maybe the 50Hz AC power interferes differently
[22:45] <ChinnoDog> Maybe, but that is converted to DC before it reaches the laptop
[22:45] <jedijf> maybe the wireless sucks
[22:45] <ChinnoDog> Bring a bigger antenna next time
[22:47] <ssweeny> it's still running through the wals
[22:47] <ssweeny> also walls
[22:47]  * ssweeny blames the wifi for his typo