[00:41]  * MrNaz_studio hugs xubuntu 9.10 boot times
[01:50] <fencersbeatngu> what about lubuntu??? :-(
[01:55] <redsandro> Hi
[01:55] <redsandro> Can anyone help me fix my network that failed after I upgraded 9.04 to 9.10?
[01:56] <redsandro> I googled my head off but I cannot get it to work
[01:56] <redsandro> Halfway during the update, ethernet disconnected and it won't come back, not after reboot or what
[01:57] <redsandro> I guess this is not a very active channel ;)
[01:58] <redsandro> I am talking to you, MrNaz ubottu mnemoc skysong_ corenominal heatherRm n2diy ochosi _Techie_ Animagladius nano durt Pici pteague_work kancerman raevol oolon deci wikiii znag C00LARR02 TheSheep cxyz TDJACR w-m- ikonia jussi01 genii rr72 Roybot C00LARR01 Daviey redkloud ubuntulog cha0s tomaw__ tavasti x404x pleia2 nalioth Cham anom01y pteague arthurjohnson Legendre Pricey p0rkjello danopia xxploit jdb Visigoth _Pete_ Sysi Barbicane mk500 IRSeekBo
[01:58] <Animagladius> Awesome, good to know!
[01:58] <redsandro> Alarmbells? ;)
[02:00] <redsandro> :9
[02:10] <Visigoth> Rather annoying of you redsandro
[02:14] <redsandro> Visigoth, I can imagine everyone is watching football and have an alarm signal setup if anyone mentions their name (like me) so they would know anyone is actually here, asking for help, like the xubuntu help pages say this irc channel is for, thank you
[02:18] <pteague_work> might also try #ubuntu channel, larger # of bodies screaming for help...  are you using the network manager or /etc/network/interfaces to set your ethernet card?
[02:20] <redsandro> yes I do
[02:20] <redsandro> but the icon has a cross in it
[02:20] <redsandro> it sais network manager is not running
[02:20] <redsandro> the part that needs to say connected or auto sais 'never'
[02:20] <redsandro> ifup of ifdown eth0 sais the device is not configured
[02:20] <redsandro> but ifconfig mentions the device with correct settings
[02:21] <pteague_laptop> my mythtv frontend (mythbuntu uses xfce as well) has that same thing with the x for the network & the reason why is because i forcibly set it up in /etc/network/interfaces because the network should be working whether somebody is logged into the computer or not
[02:22] <redsandro> I don't have that, I used to, so I understand that the cross does not nesessarily mean that the network is down
[02:22] <pteague_laptop> yeah, i don't know what network manager does, but it sets up the network in a way that i've not been able to get ifup/ifdown to work... i think it's because they rely upon the network interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:22] <redsandro> but it is
[02:22] <redsandro> okay
[02:22] <redsandro> that file has the default contents
[02:23] <pteague_laptop> you have the right modules loaded? it could be the network module needed for your network card isn't loaded
[02:23] <redsandro> how can I check?
[02:23] <redsandro> I am gathering a few pieces of advise because I need to run up and down to go to the to-be-fixed computer and this one with internets
[02:24] <redsandro> is there something to modprobe?
[02:24] <pteague_laptop> no idea, but it looks like `modprobe -l` might list all the modules on the system...
[02:25] <pteague_laptop> check & see if /etc/modules has anything listed in it... do you know what network card you have?
[02:26] <redsandro> yes it is umm
[02:26] <redsandro> VIA technologies VT6102 or 6201
[02:30] <redsandro> lp in etc/modules is all
[02:30] <redsandro> modprobe -l gives a lot of modules, including a lot of lans
[02:33] <redsandro> dammit I have visitors, need to go
[02:33] <redsandro> I appreciate you thinking with me, thanks
[03:00] <fyusy> hello
[03:00] <fyusy> I tried looking around in rtm....but could not find vino-server
[03:01] <fyusy> congrats on the latest release btw
[05:34] <Guest25563> hello does anyone know how to fix a "General mounting filesystems error" when starting xubuntu 9.10?
[05:36] <Guest25563> i have read it was related on a looping mounting from var  var/tmp on previous releases, but not in 9.10
[05:43] <Guest25563> hi
[05:49] <redsandro> I am back, wondering if anyone can help me fix my ethernet lan connection that failed after the update to 9.10 Koala
[05:50] <Guest25563> hi redsandro
[05:50] <redsandro> Hi guest
[05:50] <Guest25563> i have update to 9.10 too
[05:50] <redsandro> do you have network fixing knowledge?
[05:51] <Guest25563> mmm let me see i don't know if it is working yet
[05:52]  * jarnos installed xubuntu 9.04 using alternate cd and it forgot to ask me where to install grub.
[05:53] <Guest25563> i think my lan is working fine
[05:53] <Guest25563> your lan worked on previous releases?
[05:56] <Guest25563> i don't have much knowledge, in fact i am currently looking for an expert
[05:56] <redsandro> yes it used to work, it even works with the liveCD just not with the update
[05:57] <redsandro> I am not an expert, looking for help also, you can ask your question but I'm not sure if I am able to help
[05:57] <Guest25563> thank you redsandro
[05:58] <twinsen> how do I enable a usb sound card?  it doesn't show in alsa mixer, although `cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp1` tells me that my usb card is active
[05:58] <Guest25563> so, did your lan give you an ip address?
[05:58] <Guest25563> did you try an sudo ifconfig eth0 up?
[06:01] <redsandro> yes ifconfig shows the eth0 with ip just fine
[06:01] <redsandro> but ifup eth0 sais device is not configured or something
[06:02] <redsandro> so it looks like the card is detected but there is some other problem
[06:02] <redsandro> hovering over the networkmanager icon in the top panel also sais "Network Manager disabled" or something
[06:05] <_Techie_> redsandro, thankyou for mass highlighting the channel members earlier. it really made me want to help you more to help more
[06:06] <redsandro> Hey _Techie_, you remember me, always nice to have a friend
[06:07] <Guest25563> what about your configuration at your desktop icon?
[06:08] <Guest25563> if you click on edit connections do you have there an eth0?
[06:08] <redsandro> Ýes it has the eth0 listed, normally it sais 'auto' behind it but now it sais 'never'
[06:08] <redsandro> I cannot change it, if I edit it nothing happens
[06:12] <_Techie_> redsandro, try editing your interface configuration manually then bringing it up
[06:19] <redsandro> _Techie_, you mean /etc/network/interface?
[06:20] <_Techie_> yep
[06:20] <redsandro> it has the default contents auto lo, iface inet lo something something
[06:20] <_Techie_> can you pastebin it please
[06:20] <redsandro> what can I add to it?
[06:20] <_Techie_> pastebin it and ill add the lines for you
[06:21] <_Techie_> !pastebin
[06:21] <redsandro> it has no network so Id have to go downstairs, memorise the lines and go back upstairs and enter it manually
[06:22] <redsandro> but I remember it without the commented lines:
[06:22] <redsandro> auto lo
[06:22] <redsandro> iface lo inet loopback
[06:22] <redsandro> just 2 lines
[06:22] <Tesssa> anyone help upgraded from 9.04 t0 9.10 restarted the puter it came up with the xubuntu screen as far as the login window my correct name was shown then i entered my correct password the screen flickerd out and came back but had returned to the login window i then entered a incorrect password told me not authenticated reentered my correct password kept returning to the login window no error msg
[06:23] <Tesssa> oh had to reinstall 9.04
[06:24] <_Techie_> Tesssa, i guess you didnt save any of the log files before you re installed?
[06:24] <Tesssa> didnt think i neede to
[06:25] <Tesssa> or needed even
[06:25] <Tesssa> surely the upgrade would do that
[06:26] <_Techie_> well usually when something goes wrong, if it doesnt display the error it usually puts some info into the logs
[06:26] <redsandro> can you tell me what to add to interface? eth0 something, but I don't know what
[06:27] <Tesssa> it didnt
[06:27] <_Techie_> redsandro, pastebin your /etc/networking/interface and i will add the changes, its easier as then i know it will be entered properly
[06:28] <redsandro> but how can I pastebin without network access?
[06:29] <_Techie_> just type it out into pastebin then
 oh had to reinstall 9.04
[06:30] <redsandro> sorry
[06:30] <redsandro> wrong paste
[06:31] <redsandro> http://paste.ubuntu.com/306452/
[06:31] <Tesssa> np
[06:33] <_Techie_> redsandro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/306454/
[06:34] <redsandro> _Techie_ thanks. How to I manually bring it up, circumventing that network-manager?
[06:34] <_Techie_> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[06:34] <redsandro> thanks Ill go down and try it
[06:34] <_Techie_> let me know if it works
[06:35] <redsandro> yep, be back
[06:37] <homebrewcider> hey there, I have a server that was running xubuntu 8.10, I upgraded to 9.04, but I get this error message >no exec line in the session file :xfce4, running the gnome failsafe session instead>
[06:38] <homebrewcider> I click okay and I get <could not find gnome installation, will try running the "failsafe xterm session>
[06:38] <homebrewcider> then I get a terminal, and I obviously don't know what to do next
[06:39] <_Techie_> homebrewcider, i would help you but unfortunately im a gnome user and i only really use xfce when i use my laptop, may i ask why your using a display manager on a server?
[06:40] <homebrewcider> I use it to transcode videos and such
[06:40] <homebrewcider> but that's really not the point
[06:40] <_Techie_> i know, i was just interested
[06:41] <redsandro> _Techie_, it worked! Thanks. So simple, weird that the upgrade process somehow messed it up.
[06:41] <redsandro> Now I will try to continue the upgrade. The upgrade manager immediately sais that no upgrade is possible so it must try a partial upgrade. And when I agree it immediately fails and goes into gpkg -configure -a mode for recovery or something, it's working on it now.
[06:41] <_Techie_> cool redsandro, glad i could help you
[06:42] <_Techie_> redsandro, you may also find that your network manager may work now, just a possibility
[06:42] <redsandro> So I'd like to think highlighting the channel somehow helped me get someone to help me after all ;)
[06:43] <redsandro> But the network manager still sais it's disabled, but that's not a problem for me if I have a working ethernet card :)
[06:43] <_Techie_> no, it didnt i was gonna help regardless but the mass highlight ticked me off slightly
[06:44] <redsandro> okay sorry but thanks.
[06:44] <redsandro> Funny how it was rather simple but I couldn't have ever done that. Knowledge is power.
[06:44] <_Techie_> anybody here wanna give feedback on my cheap assassins creed dualscreen wallaper i made?
[06:45] <redsandro> show us
[06:45] <_Techie_> http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/xperiment62/wallpaper.png
[06:47] <redsandro> looks nice, I can imagine it being on double screen. The bad thing I can say is that I don't like white/bright, but that is subjective to all
[06:47] <Balsaq> cmmd not found
[06:47] <_Techie_> Balsaq, you can also just look in the about section under the *nix version aswell
[06:59] <_Techie_> hey bal, you here?
[06:59] <_Techie_> Balsaq?
[07:00] <Balsaq> y
[07:00] <Balsaq> trying every driver in here
[07:00] <Balsaq> says i am connected to my nw
[07:00] <_Techie_> was your network problem in puppy for a wireless connection or wired?
[07:00] <Balsaq> wired
[07:01] <Balsaq> etho
[07:01] <_Techie_> im thinking that what i did for redsandro before may work for your puppy install, maybe with some changes
[07:02] <Balsaq> ok
[07:03] <Balsaq> page load error
[07:03] <_Techie_> are you able to pastebin your /etc/networking/interface
[07:03] <_Techie_> put it to a USB drive and pastebin it from a pc with a working connection
[07:04] <_Techie_> cat /etc/networking/interface >> /home/username/Deskop/interface.txt
[07:04] <Balsaq> i dont knwell it is sitting next to my functioning xubub computer
[07:04] <Balsaq> sorry no clue what you mean
[07:04] <_Techie_> use that command and change the username to the name of the user on the puppy machine
[07:04] <Balsaq> but one computer is next to it
[07:05] <_Techie_> and it will create a file on your desktop called interface.txt, copy that to another pc and pastebin it
[07:05] <_Techie_> actually, hold that
[07:05] <Balsaq> in terminalso what is the 1st thing  i do...and do i do it on my woeking xubub computer or on the non working puppy
[07:06] <Balsaq> lost
[07:06] <_Techie_> cat /etc/networking/interface >> /home/username/Deskop/interface.txt && ifconfig >> /home/username/Deskop/interface.txt
[07:06] <_Techie_> run that command on the puppy machine and make sure you change the 2 username sections
[07:06] <Balsaq> hey got it i tthimlk
[07:06] <Balsaq> !!!!!!
[07:06] <Balsaq> type in my ip in the address bar ?
[07:07] <Balsaq> and got to verizon?
[07:07] <Balsaq> ?
[07:07] <_Techie_> wow, problem solved
[07:07] <Balsaq> security warning?
[07:07] <_Techie_> brb
[07:07] <Balsaq> i duhno if it will let me do other stuff
[07:08] <Balsaq> warning warning ????
[07:08] <Balsaq> what is this
[07:08] <_Techie_> no clue
[07:08] <Balsaq> page load error
[07:10] <Balsaq> something wrong with seamonkey
[07:16] <Balsaq> wb
[07:17] <Balsaq> its not fixd i am at my own dooestep though
[07:17] <Balsaq> doorstep
[07:17] <Balsaq> its like its trying to hack me
[07:17] <Balsaq> need to dummp the linux firewall is my guess
[07:19] <_Techie_> my connection timed out, the last message i recieved before "<Balsaq> its not fixd i am at my own dooestep though" was "<Balsaq> something wrong with seamonkey"
[07:21] <Balsaq> yeah i cant surf the net een though verizon announced i am online
[07:27] <Balsaq> try reboot
[07:28] <Balsaq> shoulg i go to bios ans put network 1st
[07:29] <_Techie_> no, that would just make you attempt to boot from network
[07:31] <Balsaq> should i mount the drive?
[07:32] <_Techie_> wait what? what does mounting a drive have to do with networking?
[07:33] <Balsaq> prolly not a gd thing
[07:35] <Balsaq> do you know how to disable the linux firewall
[07:35] <_Techie_> nope
[07:39] <Balsaq> calling verizonn
[07:39] <Balsaq> brb
[07:47] <Balsaq> it thinks i am wireless
[07:51] <chewybits> The partitioner for the install is invisible! what should I do?
[07:55] <an0nmat1r> will xubuntu run on a IBM p3 with 128 mb ram?
[07:59] <_Techie_> an0nmat1r, yes
[08:01] <Balsaq> when my partitioner was invivible i went into gparted
[08:04] <Balsaq> wb
[08:05] <_Techie_> thats not exactly me
[08:05] <_Techie_> thats my australian connection
[08:05] <Balsaq> i see
[08:05] <_Techie_> brb, gotta do some work on the australian server
[08:06] <an0nmat1r> _Techie_: 9.10 or 9.04 or hardy?
[08:06] <Balsaq> ok
[08:06] <an0nmat1r> oops
[08:06] <_Techie_> an0nmat1r, i would think that both would run on that hardware
[08:06] <an0nmat1r> thanx _Techie_
[08:20] <Balsaq> oh by the way that code you gave me didnt work...but i appreciate it (xp thing)
[08:27] <Balsaq> got an idea, will load xp on here on another partition and then figure out from there how to get puppy online
[08:31] <Balsaq> _Techie_ you n here
[08:31] <_Techie_> yeah
[08:31] <Balsaq> maybe puppy will run better next to xp?
[08:32] <_Techie_> would make a difference
[08:32] <Balsaq> therer is some tool that uses the xp driver for ether
[08:32] <Balsaq> may work
[08:32] <_Techie_> ndiswrapper
[08:32] <Balsaq> yup
[08:32] <Balsaq> that un
[08:32] <_Techie_> it doesnt require you to have xp installed
[08:32] <Balsaq> well i clicked n it and couldnt get it
[08:33] <Balsaq> but if i am olnine with xp cant i run linux in it somehow
[08:33] <Balsaq> putting in ntfs on a 6g partition
[08:33] <Balsaq> puppy is an 4g
[08:34] <Balsaq> i know whats going on its and old ehter card withou the right drivers inside puppy
[08:34] <Balsaq> i had puppy live on a newer computer and it went right online no prob
[08:37] <Balsaq> now once i am online in xp, will i be able to then somehow use puppy?
[08:52] <an0nmat1r> torrent kor xub 9.10?
[08:52] <Balsaq> uh oh stuck at 46% never saw that happen before?
[08:53] <an0nmat1r> got it
[09:25] <Balsaq> so when i tun this thing on with 2 os's in here what will happen_Techie_ (still loading)
[09:35] <Dynetrekk> hi. how can I get exaile to play my mp3s?
[09:36] <Dynetrekk> error message is: you do not have a decoder installed to handle this file.
[09:37] <Sysi> Dynetrekk: install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:37] <Sysi> that contaiins also flash and other useful stuff
[09:37] <Dynetrekk> Sysi: thanks. annoying to live in a non-free world :)
[09:49] <Dynetrekk> how can I find a network printer? (there's only one printer on the network)
[09:53] <Dynetrekk> oooh, I found it. wasn't hard at all :)
[10:24] <jarnos> Dynetrekk: Are you using the development version of exaile?
[10:26] <Dynetrekk> jarnos: nope. but I fixed it by installing xubuntu-restricted-extras.
[10:43] <Dynetrekk> another question: the xubuntu box I'm setting up has a couple of USB speakers (ridiculous, I know!). does anyone know how to fix that?
[10:43] <balsaq> now how do i use puppy?
[11:55] <Tesssa> anyonr help me please.. downloaded and started to install xubuntu 9.10 got as far as 3of6 the keyboard UK one clicked forward and arrived at 4of7 but no partition manager just a large blank white box and no way of setting the partition manager click forward and am told no root file system found and i have to quit
[11:55] <Tesssa> any answer
[11:57] <Tesssa> oh am back using xubuntu 9.04
[13:16] <Devastator> well, i'm trying to install xubuntu with alternate cd, but whenever i select an option it will hang and hdd will stay lit all the time
[13:25] <n2diy> Devastator: does the CD pass the 'check for defects' test?
[13:29] <SAngeli> I wish to install ubuntu or xubuntu on an SD Memory card (2GB). I noticed that xubuntu is quite fast and I do also appreciate xfree to gnome or kde. It makes desktop management faster. Question #1: Are all applications available for ubuntu available also for xubuntu? Question #2 All support for xubuntu where can it be taken? from ubuntu?
[13:32] <ochosi> SAngeli, ad 1: yes. ad 2: what do you mean by support?
[13:33] <SAngeli> If I have a question or an issue, example I do have a bluetooth not working for my mouse when booting from Live cd. Where would I search? still in ubuntu website?
[13:34] <ochosi> SAngeli, well, yes. mostly xubuntu and ubuntu are identical. so ubuntuforums.org etc will still be your source for research
[13:35] <SAngeli> one last question if you know:  is it possibile to have all or part of System Rescue CD applications installed on both ubuntu and xubuntu?
[13:37] <ochosi> SAngeli, i assume so, i never used any of those apps you're referring to. but since both gnome and xfce are gtk-based and xubuntu and ubuntu use the same repos i don't see why this shouldn't work
[13:38] <SAngeli> than, thank you for your help.
[13:39] <SAngeli> I will try to install xubuntu into my SD Memory Card
[13:39] <SAngeli> I hope not to encounter into any issue
[13:43] <SAngeli> ochosi, do you know of any article that explains how to install xubuntu into a memory stick (in my case SD Memory)?
[13:45] <Balsaq> yo _Techie_
[13:45] <Balsaq> hi knome
[13:45] <knome> hello Balsaq
[13:46] <Balsaq> hey knowe i put puupy and xp in a computer lastnight....when i boot it goes to xp...where and how to i use puppy never even see it on the way in?
[13:47] <knome> Balsaq, looks like you didn't install grub
[13:47] <Balsaq> knowe=knome
[13:47] <Balsaq> well i did have it there because before i put xp in the puppy was booting in grub
[13:48] <knome> hmm
[13:48] <Balsaq> it would boot with grub but i could never get the puppy online-16 hours of hard work
[13:49] <Balsaq> so i heard about running it inside windows?
[13:49] <Balsaq> driving me nutz, i have installed ubuntu, xubuntu, xp....cannot for the life of me handle this crazy puppylinux
[13:50] <Balsaq> i thnk i have to reinstall the grub due tothe xp
[13:52] <knome> i suppose so as well
[13:53] <Balsaq> so if i do get the grub back going again...what will happen when i boot up knome? i imagined/hoped it would boot to a screeen where i choose which OS i want to use?
[13:54] <knome> yes, that should happen
[13:54] <Balsaq> thanks at least i know what i am shooting for
[13:55] <knome> hehe, yeah
[13:55] <Balsaq> i am hoping somehow the driver that lets me online with xp will merge with puppy and let ppuppy online
[13:56] <Balsaq> you see i put xp in, and i go right online...same computer with puppy cannot go online
[13:57] <knome> :/
[13:57] <Balsaq> proves to me its a driver issue...at least in my newbie mind...
[14:00] <knome> Balsaq, sorry i'm a bit unfocused, i need to go soon and all
[14:00] <knome> Balsaq, i hope somebody can help you more
[14:00] <Balsaq> ok cu
[14:08] <Balsaq> does linux have a "safe mode"
[14:09] <oorah> how come xfce isn't default desktop for Ubuntu?
[14:11] <|Logitech|> Balsaq, linux have recovery mode
[14:12] <Balsaq> where is it?
[14:12] <knome> oorah, xfce is the default desktop for xubuntu
[14:12] <knome> oorah, gnome is the default desktop for ubuntu
[14:12] <|Logitech|> on start press escape key...you see grub menu
[14:12] <Balsaq> i need to recovery mode to try to get online...verizon is suggesting Logitech
[14:13] <Balsaq> ok
[14:13] <Balsaq> is there anything else Logitech?
[14:13] <|Logitech|> and select linux kernel 2.6.x (recovery mode)
[14:14] <oorah> knome, i know, but gnome doesn't seem like the best "flag ship" desktop choice
[14:14] <Balsaq> ok Logitech is there more
[14:14] <knome> oorah, well, that's what mark shuttleworth has originally thought and by that we go
[14:14] <|Logitech|> Balsaq, ?
[14:15] <Sysi> oorah: that's your opinion, someone have different
[14:15] <Balsaq> so at that point am i n the recovery mode Logitech(newbie here)
[14:15] <|Logitech|> Balsaq, ok
[14:15] <Balsaq> ok thank you
[14:15] <|Logitech|> Balsaq, recovery mode is console :)
[14:15] <|Logitech|> withaut gui
[14:15] <oorah> Sysi, thats why i said seem, as far as speed and efficiency. i didn't say fact or is, but seems
[14:15] <|Logitech|> without*
[14:16] <Balsaq> i am confused now...i know where console is
[14:16] <Sysi> oorah: some things are maybe simpler in gnome, dunno, i prefer xfce
[14:16] <Sysi> more people gnome
[14:16] <|Logitech|> wen you enter in recovery mode you have list to select things
[14:17] <|Logitech|> find root console or network shell
[14:18] <Balsaq> just so yuo know i am going in there in an effort to get online...i tell you this in case you have any more tips
[14:19] <Balsaq> otherwise ill go tothat computer now and try
[14:19] <Balsaq> i have a verizon  tech on the phone also
[14:19] <Balsaq> are we done Logitech?
[14:20] <|Logitech|> i don't know what re you doing xD
[14:21] <Balsaq> trying to get online...verizon said if it were a xp we would go in safe mode to help me get on line...so that promted me to ask if linux had a  tyoe of safe mode
[14:21] <oorah> anyone notice volume is muted at startup? is that normal?
[14:21] <Balsaq> tyoe=type
[14:21] <|Logitech|> oorah, i have solution
[14:21] <|Logitech|> :)
[14:21] <Balsaq> great
[14:22] <Balsaq> i am listening and taking notes
[14:22] <|Logitech|> The solution was comment out line 372 in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[14:22] <|Logitech|> mute_and_zero_levels “$TARGET_CARD” || EXITSTATUS=1
[14:22] <|Logitech|> sudo mousepad /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[14:22] <|Logitech|> and comment on line 372
[14:24] <|Logitech|> to look like this # mute_and_zero_levels “$TARGET_CARD” || EXITSTATUS=1
[14:24] <|Logitech|> and reboot pc
[14:24] <|Logitech|> :)
[14:25] <Balsaq> do i actuually write so lets see if i know what you mean...newbie here
[14:25] <Balsaq> hang on
[14:25] <Balsaq> on start press escape key
[14:26] <|Logitech|> Balsaq, try to type in console sudo /etc/init.d/networking start
[14:26] <Balsaq> ok so start on the consloe..at that point
[14:27] <Balsaq> ok so i go to consloeand type.....sudo/etc/init.d/networking start
[14:27] <Balsaq> ok?
[14:27] <|Logitech|> sudo /etc/init.d/networking start
[14:28] <Balsaq> ok so a space after sudo
[14:28] <|Logitech|> jap
[14:28] <Balsaq> now am i good?
[14:28] <|Logitech|> :)
[14:28] <Balsaq> thats it ...i can go try it now?
[14:29] <|Logitech|> try :0
[14:29] <|Logitech|> :)
[14:29] <Balsaq> ok i have no idea what that is but thanks alot
[14:29] <|Logitech|> work?
[14:29] <Balsaq> am i suddenly on line then?
[14:29] <Balsaq> or did i just get risd of a firewall?
[14:30] <Balsaq> or am i siply now in recovery
[14:30] <Balsaq> is that how i get in recovery mode?
[14:30] <|Logitech|> you are noob
[14:30] <|Logitech|> xD
[14:30] <Balsaq> or is that the fix for my problem
[14:31] <Balsaq> i am trying to ask you why i type that in sir?
[14:31] <oorah> is there something like brasero for xfce? i know it works but i also know xfce apps tent to be lighter and faster
[14:32] <Balsaq> what results happen when i type this command in terminal Logitech?
[14:33] <|Logitech|> oorah, yea xfce have brasero
[14:33] <|Logitech|> Balsaq, this command start your network insteface
[14:33] <|Logitech|> xD
[14:33] <|Logitech|> interface*
[14:35] <Balsaq> so is the next step to ping google Logitech...or is the next step to then hook me up to the internet
[14:35] <|Logitech|> try to ping
[14:35] <Balsaq> ok good and then i will know what i have huh?
[14:36] <Balsaq> thank yopu so much
[14:36] <Balsaq> you*
[14:36] <Balsaq> be back after i try it
[14:36] <|Logitech|> ok
[14:37] <oorah> is xfburn pretty good?
[14:39] <|Logitech|> lol
[14:42] <oorah> is xfburn pretty good?
[14:43] <|Logitech|> you mean brasero?
[14:44] <ballsaq> i am here again
[14:44] <|Logitech|> xD
[14:44] <ballsaq> hi logitech
[14:45] <|Logitech|> hi
[14:45] <|Logitech|> :)
[14:45] <ballsaq> now i realize another small problem...the computer i amtrying to fix -has xp and puppy on the HD...and now i do not know how to get to puppy...
[14:45] <ballsaq> iam on mu xubuntu talking too you
[14:45] <|Logitech|> hmm...
[14:46] <ballsaq> when i bot up i go right to windows never see puppy linux at all anymore
[14:46] <|Logitech|> i dont;t know
[14:47] <ballsaq> maybe i reinstall the puppy alone again and dump the xp
[14:47] <|Logitech|> you have 2 linux instaled on hdd?
[14:47] <|Logitech|> puppy and xubuntu?
[14:47] <ballsaq> no
[14:47] <|Logitech|> xD
[14:47] <|Logitech|> multi boot xp and puppy
[14:47] <|Logitech|> ?
[14:48] <ballsaq>  i am on a stand alone xubuntu now with u....the computer next too me has puppy and xp
[14:48] <|Logitech|> ok
[14:48] <|Logitech|> try to instert puppy cd and repair grub
[14:48] <ballsaq> and a momnet ago i was upstairs on xp talking too u
[14:48] <oorah> is xfburn pretty good? how bout madori for web browsing?
[14:48] <|Logitech|> maybe work
[14:48] <ballsaq> ok
[14:48] <oorah> i meant midori
[14:49] <|Logitech|> ballsaq,
[14:49] <|Logitech|> puppy use grub or lilo?
[14:50] <ballsaq> grub
[14:50] <|Logitech|> ok
[14:50] <|Logitech|> try to repair grub
[14:50] <|Logitech|> xD
[14:50] <ballsaq> yup
[14:50] <oorah> am i muted or somethin? lol
[14:50] <|Logitech|> lol
[14:50] <|Logitech|> neo
[14:50] <|Logitech|> no*
[14:51] <|Logitech|> just asking the stupid questions
[14:51] <|Logitech|> xD
[14:51] <oorah> simple questions being ignored in a support channel is total bs
[14:51] <oorah> just lookin for user feedback thats all
[14:52] <|Logitech|> xubuntu have mozilla and brasero
[14:52] <|Logitech|> :)
[14:56] <ballsaq> in puppy live...
[14:57] <ballsaq> u want me totrun in ram only Logitech?
[14:57] <ballsaq> to run*
[14:57] <ballsaq> or go cammand line only
[14:58] <ballsaq> or just go tothe puppy i ahve installed on the HD
[14:58] <ballsaq> or can do a filesystem check
[14:59] <ballsaq> ah gonna run in ram...
[14:59] <|Logitech|> ballsaq, ask google how to repair grub
[14:59] <|Logitech|> i'm out
[14:59] <|Logitech|> xD
[14:59] <ballsaq> ok thanks
[14:59] <ballsaq> appreciate it
[15:00] <ballsaq> ill be quite
[15:00] <ballsaq> quiet
[15:02] <ballsaq> ahhh now i see 2 partitions....one puppy and one xp (talking to myself...whispering)
[15:03] <novafluxx> Hello
[15:03] <|Logitech|> hello
[15:04] <novafluxx> My first time here, just dropping in
[15:04] <ballsaq> welcome
[15:04] <novafluxx> Thank you
[15:05] <novafluxx> I know its a Sunday morining, at least on the east coast here, so I'm surprised to see life in here right now
[15:06] <ballsaq> i am in ma
[15:06] <novafluxx> FL here
[15:06] <ballsaq>  MA
[15:06] <ballsaq> my mom is there
[15:06] <novafluxx> everyone's mom is here
[15:06] <novafluxx> :-)
[15:06] <ballsaq> the villages
[15:06] <novafluxx> oh yeah
[15:06] <novafluxx> i've heard of it
[15:06] <ballsaq> uh huh
[15:07] <ballsaq> central
[15:07] <slow-motion> hi
[15:07] <novafluxx> hello
[15:07] <likemindead> TEXAS YEE-HAW.
[15:07] <novafluxx> Yes, I'm in the Tampa Bay area
[15:07] <Sysi> heh, here it's starting to be sunday evening
[15:07]  * likemindead just woke up.
[15:07] <novafluxx> Sunday evening means closer to Monday morning
[15:07] <novafluxx> wow looks as though people really do come in here
[15:08] <novafluxx> I don't even know why I joined, I was just looking at wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu and saw the IRC chat thing at the bottom, decided to test Pigin's IRC offerings
[15:09] <novafluxx> I fired up the 9.10 live CD, it reminded me of Gnome
[15:09] <novafluxx> isn't it written in GTK right?
[15:09] <likemindead> !xfce
[15:09] <ballsaq> hey Logitech iam online...but using live cd though
[15:10] <novafluxx> !ubuntu
[15:10] <novafluxx> What I DO LOVE is the xsplash in Xubuntu, wow that was a pretty sight
[15:10] <ballsaq> makes no sence too me, i get right online using the live cd, but couldnt do it trying to get online using the same puppyOS that is on my HD?
[15:11] <ballsaq> brb nova
[15:11] <novafluxx> ok
[15:12] <novafluxx> !help
[15:13] <novafluxx> That thing's pretty neat
[15:13] <novafluxx> I'm not familier with IRC
[15:13] <novafluxx> :)
[15:13] <BBalsaq> i guess puppy like to go online only from live cd?
[15:13] <BBalsaq> driving me nutz
[15:13] <novafluxx> no idea, never used it
[15:23] <novafluxx> Whoa, the #ubuntu channel is way to crowded for me, so crowded they gotta be all formal about things.
[15:24] <likemindead> Yeah, novafluxx, it's lame, but necessary, I suppose. :-\
[15:24] <novafluxx> Yes, I think I'll hang out in here, with you folks
[15:27] <novafluxx> Hey guys, during Ubuntu install, or Xubuntu I assume, you have the option to encrypt your /home directory. I was curious, what type of encryption is it, how many bits, algorithm, hash, etc, where can I find this info
[15:29] <likemindead> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[15:30] <novafluxx> =-O
[15:30] <novafluxx> AWESOME! THank you
[15:43] <SAngeli> too bad. I was unable to install xubuntu into my SD memory card. I ran out of space
[15:44] <SAngeli> I dedicated 1.7 GB of space
[15:44] <SAngeli> does anyone know how much disk space I need in order to install it?
[16:18] <Carnophage> anyone has problems with automatic screen brightness reduce? eg when disconnecting ac power (xubuntu 9.10 of course ;-) )
[16:20] <Balsaq> u on here _Techie_
[16:20] <Balsaq> knome?
[16:25] <novafluxx>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER novafluxx fwowbiihyegi
[16:25] <novafluxx> hmmm
[16:26] <novafluxx> oops
[16:26] <Carnophage> =D
[16:26] <novafluxx> Oh well
[16:26] <novafluxx> I'm new to this IRC thing
[16:26] <novafluxx> should i be concerned that I put that for the universe to see?
[16:27] <Sysi> overall space..
[16:54]  * likemindead is really digging the new Epiphany browser.
[17:25] <jarnos> Is it possible to install grub(2) in xubuntu 9.10's root partition using xubuntu 9.04 in the same computer? (Installation of grub(2) to xubuntu 9.10's root partition failed during installation.)
[17:26] <jarnos> There seems to be a lot of files of grub(2) in the /boot/grub folder, though.
[17:30] <jarnos> I want to chainload 2 grubs, but I don't know, if chainloading from grub legacy to grub(2) works.
[17:40] <Carnophage> jarnos: chainload from grub legacy to grub2 works, as it is one of the steps of installing grub2
[17:44] <jarnos> Carnophage: Why would installing grub2 require chainloading from grub legacy?
[17:45] <Carnophage> jarnos: my mistake, it's one of the steps of installing grub2 having grub legacy already installed
[17:47] <jarnos> Carnophage: oh, it would be good enough, if I could install grub legacy for xubuntu 9.10.
[19:04] <pbbs90210> hello
[19:05] <|Logitech|> hi
[19:05] <pbbs90210> I am trying to figure out if using the runtime ubuntu on CD if a usb netgear or usb belkin adapter would work. Am going to purchase adapter at staples?
[19:07] <jcollierdavis> can anyone help with a sound card issue?
[19:07] <pbbs90210> Sorry, am new to ubuntu?
[19:08] <jcollierdavis> somewhat
[19:08] <_Techie_> !ask | jcollierdavis
[19:08] <jcollierdavis> my sound has never worked tho
[19:08] <pbbs90210> I am trying to get some advice on using a usb wifi card with the runtime CD... Thanks..
[19:48] <Devastator> I still need some help with xubuntu installer, it will infinite loop when detecting network hardware causing kernel panic, is there a way to fix it?
[19:50] <ron_o> 3000 KB/s downloanding Karmic with bittorrent.
[19:50] <ron_o> :)
[19:51] <likemindead> ">NickServ< identify ******** NickServ :No such nick/channel" WTF?
[19:52] <Devastator> services off
[19:53] <Sysi> freenode broke
[19:53] <|Logitech|> lol
[19:53] <ron_o> why isn't there a tracker listed for bittorrent for xubuntu on this channel?
[19:53] <Devastator> does anybody can help me with my installer issue?
[19:55] <nikolam> hmm, I would like to dave a .jigdo file for desktop 9.10 to be able to make it out of ubuntu dvd, to reduce download
[19:59] <|Logitech|> Devastator, what version of xubuntu?
[19:59] <|Logitech|> karmic?
[19:59] <Devastator> yep
[19:59] <Devastator> karmic koala
[19:59] <|Logitech|> sorry
[19:59] <|Logitech|> xD
[19:59] <Devastator> is it a bug or something?
[20:00] <|Logitech|> i don't know
[20:00] <Devastator> which version do you recommend?
[20:00] <|Logitech|> i don't use karmic
[20:00] <|Logitech|> 9.04
[20:00] <|Logitech|> :)
[20:01] <Devastator> humm
[20:01] <Devastator> time to redownload :S
[20:02] <Devastator> i always had problems with my network pcmcia card, but i would never though it would prevent me to install an os
[20:05] <Sysi> there isn't that much problems with karmic
[20:06] <Sysi> not more than always when new version comes
[20:12] <Devastator> well.. i'm gonna try xubuntu 9.04
[20:38] <Devastator> i have removed the pcmcia card, but still looping when detecting network hardware, then gives kernel panic "out of memory"
[20:46] <slow-motion> re
[20:48] <ron_o> karmic xubuntu download page:http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.10/release/
[21:05] <dahaic> hi guys o/ I just upgraded to karmic, and I have one problem there - new login screen. Is it possible to have same login like in jaunty? I dont like choosing of user, and there are some graphical glitches as well [during load]
[21:14] <maxwell> Hello everyone.
[21:15] <likemindead> dahaic, I had similar issues. I just enabled auto login. You could try Slim.
[21:15] <likemindead> !slim
[21:15] <likemindead> http://slim.berlios.de/
[21:17] <dahaic> i read about gdm-legacy idea, but ..
[21:18] <Sysi> i wonder what would it be like to use KDM
[21:18] <Sysi> because new gdmsetup is bad
[21:18] <likemindead> I think Slim is a better alternative.
[21:19] <maxwell> My Xubuntu installation was running slow after the upgrade (and rather slow before the upgrade), so I did a clean install, and it's STILL running slow. I tried installing Ubuntu on this computer for a bit and it seemed to run faster than Xubuntu, but I really prefer the xfce desktop environment. Any ideas as to a solution to this problem? Running a computer with an AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+ (1470.331 MHz) and 500MB of RAM. I'm thinking t
[21:19] <maxwell> his might have something to do with my NVidia graphics card, but have no idea what I could do about it. Any ideas on how to speed this system way up? There is no reason it should be running so painfully slow!
[21:19] <Sysi> likemindead: xdmcp is possible/easier with that?
[21:20] <maxwell> HALP! :-)
[21:20] <Devastator> i wish i had an issue, i couldn't even install it :(
[21:21] <maxwell> D:
[21:21] <maxwell> Ahh, soooooo sloooooooow.
[21:22] <Sysi> likemindead: no xdmcp, no slim for me
[21:27] <SiDi> dahaic, likemindead i think gdm-2.20 should still work
[21:27] <SiDi> but i dont know if xsplash will work very well with it so you may have to uninstall xsplash too (the thing  with little sparkles before GDM loads)
[21:28] <likemindead> I just go with a BIOS password & then have Xubuntu auto login.
[21:28] <Carnophage> SiDi: for me installing old gdm ended with a broken sys
[21:28] <maxwell> My graphics card is actually:  ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] (Secondary)
[21:29] <dahaic> eh, that thing with little sparkles is quite irritating :P
[21:29] <SiDi> dahaic, come on, its sexy!
[21:29] <Sysi> +1
[21:29] <SiDi> Carnophage, what got broken exactly?
[21:29] <dahaic> it does those graphical glitches I was talking about! :D
[21:30] <SiDi> dahaic, we're not responsible for how its implemented ;d
[21:30] <SiDi> we're only responsible for how sexy it is in Xubuntu
[21:30] <dahaic> :)
[21:30] <SiDi> but you may want to report a bug against xsplash
[21:30] <SiDi> !ubuntu-bug
[21:30] <SiDi> !bug
[21:31] <Carnophage> SiDi: the system didn't start, instead of gdm screen I got black screen, maybe something more then remove new gdm install old gdm has to be done
[21:32] <SiDi> aw
[21:35] <IonParticle> hello, has anyone encounter an issue with kde applications where they seem to have not picked up on dpi settings and displays everything in large font?
[21:35] <IonParticle> e.g.: smplayer here: http://imgur.com/o2t4z.png
[21:36] <Carnophage> what controls screen dim in 9.10? I can change screen brightness with my fn keys, but it doesn't decrease automaticly when on battery power
[21:38] <Carnophage> noone with xubuntu 9.10 on a laptop?
[21:39] <Sysi> i have, it works totally
[21:39] <SiDi> Carnophage, im on a laptop
[21:39] <SiDi> its xfce4-power-manager, it decreases brightness after inactivty but alas it doesnt offer to decrease it immediately when on battery power
[21:41] <Carnophage> thx, I'll have to take a look into acpi scripts, couse it worked in 9.04 (and I was using xfce4-power-manager then)
[21:41] <IonParticle> the old power manager had more options
[21:42] <IonParticle> including a checkbox for "Reduce backlight brightness"
[21:44] <Carnophage> I can live with doing in "by hand", but would be nice to have it automatic
[21:48] <Carnophage> and my last problem after upgrade, howto mute/unmute Pulse Audio with fn keys? (works with amixer, but PA still stays muted)
[21:48] <dahaic> ok, that xsplash was really causing those glitches
[21:49] <SiDi> Carnophage, you should report your problem in bugzilla.xfce.org then
[21:49] <SiDi> Carnophage, i have no idea about pulseaudio. All i can tell is that its absolutely not compatible with xfce4-mixer and xfce4-volumed
[21:50] <Carnophage> SiDi: I'm trying to solve my problems first, as I did an upgrade, so it might be my old configuration problems
[22:01] <XubuntuNewUser> Hi, everyone. I just installed Xubuntu 9.10. I need to get flash up and running! (Quickly!)
[22:01] <XubuntuNewUser> Help!
[22:02] <dahaic> lol :)
[22:02] <XubuntuNewUser> Tried installing the Xubuntu-restricted-packages.
[22:03] <IonParticle> go here: http://www.w3schools.com/Flash/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_button
[22:03] <IonParticle> Firefox should tell you about installing missing plugins
[22:04] <IonParticle> then just choose Install
[22:05] <XubuntuNewUser> Also tried afterwards with the flashplayer from adobes website. This method gave med the "Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'". (I'm on Amd x2 64-bit.)
[22:05] <SiDi> XubuntuNewUser, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer ;)
[22:07] <XubuntuNewUser> I just triedthe webpage IonParticle gave me. Clicked the "install plugin"-link. It gives an error - and clicking ok on the error gives a screen with "Adobe Flash Player (installer) Installed".
[22:08] <dahaic> XubuntuNewUser: there is "experimental" 64bit flashplayer [in case you are interested] http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[22:08] <dahaic> that is probably what is running on my laptop
[22:08] <dahaic> [my memory is .. not greatest thing :D]
[22:10] <XubuntuNewUser> How experimental is it?
[22:11] <slow-motion> n8
[22:11] <dahaic> it is experimental as is gmail beta :D I suppose :)
[22:11] <dahaic> so, they are giving you way to use it, and doesn't guarantee anything
[22:11] <IonParticle> ooh, nice
[22:11] <IonParticle> 64-bit flash, finally
[22:11] <IonParticle> er, how stable is it?
[22:12] <knome> IonParticle, i have no problems with it
[22:12] <IonParticle> nice
[22:12] <knome> IonParticle, if you keep firefox open for a long time, it might stop working for some reason, but will work again when you restart firefox
[22:12] <knome> no bigger bugs/drawbacks than that
[22:12] <IonParticle> that happens with the old version too :/
[22:12] <dahaic> I am using it from february, when I bought new laptop and tried linux for the first time
[22:13] <knome> i have used adobe's 64-bit flash for ages
[22:15] <XubuntuNewUser> The following packages have unmet dependencies:   flashplugin-installer: Depends: nspluginwrapper (>= <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed                          Depends: ia32-libs (>= 2.2ubuntu18) but it is not installable E: Broken packages
[22:16] <XubuntuNewUser> Thats for the "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer"-way.
[22:18] <IonParticle> oh
[22:18] <IonParticle> you have to enable the universe repository
[22:19] <XubuntuNewUser> HOW do I install the 64-bit flash? I downloaded it, but the only thing I can do is open it and se a libflashplayer.so-file.
[22:19] <IonParticle> go to Synaptic > Settings > Repositories and make sure (main), (universe), (restricted), and (multiverse) are checked
[22:20] <XubuntuNewUser> IonParticle: One of the four buttons in "Software Sources"?
[22:20] <XubuntuNewUser> The four first ones are all clicked "in".
[22:21] <IonParticle> weird
[22:22] <dahaic> XubuntuNewUser: wait a sec, I will paste you my location
[22:23] <dahaic> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[22:23] <dahaic> it should be the location where it is needed
[22:23] <dahaic> so just copy it there
[22:23] <dahaic> the libflashplayer.so
[22:26] <XubuntuNewUser> Are you on 64-bit?
[22:27] <XubuntuNewUser> I've got a "flashplugin-alternative.so" in there already. Hmmm... Why doesn't that one work?
[22:27] <dahaic> i have 64-bit :)
[22:27] <dahaic> libflashplayer.so        libtotem-gmp-plugin.so          libvlcplugin.so
[22:27] <dahaic> libjavaplugin.so         libtotem-mully-plugin.so        npica.so
[22:27] <dahaic> libtotem-cone-plugin.so  libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
[22:28] <dahaic> that is what I have there
[22:29] <XubuntuNewUser> How do I open that folder with PERMISSION? I can't copy anything into there.
[22:29] <dahaic> open terminal
[22:30] <dahaic> in directory where you have the file
[22:30] <dahaic> [desktop?]
[22:30] <XubuntuNewUser> No other way then terminal?!
[22:30] <spaztik> anyone else notice that the audio mixer acts strange when adjusting volume? it does a mix of Master and PCM alterations.. is this to mimic logarithmic volume controls?
[22:31] <spaztik> also, my icons are hiding under my toolbar (which doesn't have auto-hide enabled)..  how do i stop this?
[22:31] <dahaic> XubuntuNewUser: well, I would recommend to get used to terminal - it is much faster, at least to give help :)
[22:31] <vinnl> XubuntuNewUser, what do you want to do?
[22:33] <dahaic> through "places" open directory containing the file, right click, open terminal, in terminal write: sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[22:33] <XubuntuNewUser> Ok. I DID know how to write cd and ls, but i can't change the directory I'm in (in the terminal) to Desktop?!!?!
[22:33] <dahaic> and you are there :)
[22:34] <XubuntuNewUser> Isn't it just    "cd Desktop"  if "ls" displays "Desktop" in blue?
[22:34] <dahaic> yep
[22:35] <XubuntuNewUser> Sorry guys. Forgot that linux is CASE sensitive. Arhgg..
[22:35] <dahaic> heh :)
[22:36] <dahaic> actually, I dont understand, why windows isn't - it is "unnatural" for computer...
[22:37] <XubuntuNewUser> Simple. WE are not computers. WE are natural, the are not.
[22:37] <XubuntuNewUser> (No windows fan, don't get me wrong.)
[22:37] <XubuntuNewUser> :)
[22:38] <dahaic> :) grammar differ between lower and upper case as well :P
[22:38] <XubuntuNewUser> But still. Case is superb for id and passwords, NOT a simple directory change task. (Imagine having twenty different "Desktop", "DesKtop", etc.
[22:38] <XubuntuNewUser> :)
[22:39] <XubuntuNewUser> dahaic: Yeah? Like in "I" and names you mean?
[22:39] <dahaic> yep :P
[22:41] <XubuntuNewUser> Oh, my. Do I need to restart the Firefox to get flash working?
[22:41] <dahaic> my friend recently did some coding of other guys code, and he found two variables: NameID and nameID... in the same file :DD
[22:41] <dahaic> THAT is crazy..
[22:42] <dahaic> yep, you have to restart it, afaik
[22:43] <XubuntuNewUser> You get my point. :P
[22:43] <XubuntuNewUser> crazy...
[22:43] <XubuntuNewUser> Ok. Restart of firefox...
[22:44] <vinnl> xD
[22:47] <dahaic> is it working?
[22:48] <XubuntuNewUser> Yepp!
[22:48] <XubuntuNewUser> :D:D:D
[22:48] <XubuntuNewUser> BUT. No sound. :(
[22:49] <dahaic> haha :D
[22:49] <XubuntuNewUser> At all in Xubuntu. Haha!
[22:49] <XubuntuNewUser> Silly, just silly.
[22:49] <XubuntuNewUser> So. How do I get the sound working?
[22:49] <vinnl> Have you turned up the volume in Xubuntu?
[22:49] <dahaic> I am afraid, I am not able to help with that :)
[22:50] <dahaic> i am arfraid of linux sound architecture :P
[22:52] <XubuntuNewUser> To start with. I didn't have any controls. Although I did/do have the "speakerish"-button beside the clock. I clicked there, and there where no controls. So I clicked "Select Controls..." and selected some of the usual ones, but no difference. I suspect some controls come default IF sound is enabled.
[22:53] <XubuntuNewUser> I've got to soundcards. Built-in and SBLive5.1. I'm NOT using the SBLive5.1.
[22:53] <ron_o> hehe, got karmic installed via Vbox. :) nice..
[22:53] <XubuntuNewUser> But in the "Mixer" there are three cards?!?!
[22:53] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[22:54] <XubuntuNewUser> There's a Sigmatel too... Anyhow. How do I fix this?
[22:54] <vinnl> !sound
[22:54] <vinnl> That's targeted at Ubuntu, I suppose :( Still, looking at those webpages might be of some help
[22:54] <vinnl> And otherwise wait around for someone who can help
[22:54] <XubuntuNewUser> I thought I was in the community now. :D
[22:55] <vinnl> Yeah but not everyone is watching this channel attentively, maybe someone who knows more about this reads your question later
[22:56] <ron_o> the thing about sound is you have to work from your hardware up. If your system doesn't recognize your sound card then nothing else will work.
[22:56] <dahaic> yeah, but knowledge is not distributed uniformly :P
[22:56] <vinnl> XubuntuNewUser, did you run other operating systems on that hardware? ANd if so, did the sound work there?
[22:58] <ron_o> dahaic, I need to remember that one. :)
[23:04] <XubuntuNewUser> ron_o So, give me a hand here. I worked out of the box from the Ubuntu LiveCD 9.10.
[23:05] <XubuntuNewUser> Why on earth doesn't it work out of the box after an install with the Xubuntu 9.10? It's the SAME thing, isn't it?!
[23:05] <ron_o> to get sound working try $ aplay <name_of_song> and see what it does.
[23:06] <XubuntuNewUser> vinnl: TONS of other systems. Every one of them works PERFECT with sound.
[23:06] <XubuntuNewUser> Name of song? Which song?
[23:07] <ron_o> *any* song..
[23:07] <XubuntuNewUser> I haven't downloaded anything. Just tried youtube and the Totemplayer's radiochannel.
[23:07] <ron_o> come on now. Use your common sense.
[23:07] <ron_o> go find a song then.
[23:07] <keb> so the flashplayer isnt working on your install
[23:07] <XubuntuNewUser> How about a SOUND somewhere in the system? Where are they?
[23:08] <XubuntuNewUser> keb: Oh, yeah it is. But not SOUND.
[23:08] <ron_o>    ___    $ mlocate  *.mp3
[23:08] <vinnl> !examples
[23:08] <vinnl> !example-content
[23:08] <keb> did you check the logs for error messages.  for example /var/log/kern.log
[23:08] <vinnl> XubuntuNewUser, then it's not a hardware problem :)
[23:08] <vinnl> XubuntuNewUser, try /usr/share/example-content
[23:09] <XubuntuNewUser> .../example-content  doesn't exist in this system.
[23:09] <vinnl> There's an audio file inthere
[23:09] <vinnl> Hmm...?
[23:09] <vinnl> A 9.10 LiveCD you say?
[23:09] <XubuntuNewUser> Yepp.
[23:10] <vinnl> Is there an Examples folder on your desktop?
[23:11] <Devastator> I still need some help with xubuntu installer, it will infinite loop when detecting network hardware causing kernel panic, is there a way to fix it?
[23:11] <XubuntuNewUser> How do I search for a file (without terminal)?
[23:11] <XubuntuNewUser> No.
[23:12] <XubuntuNewUser> wuups. Found the searchutility. :)
[23:12] <dahaic> XubuntuNewUser: Places/Search for Files
[23:12] <dahaic> :D
[23:13] <XubuntuNewUser> Yepp. Exactly! What format are sounds in on the Xubuntu?
[23:13] <|Logitech|> XubuntuNewUser, you type in terminal whereis file to find location
[23:14] <|Logitech|> lol
[23:14] <|Logitech|> xD
[23:14] <vinnl> Devastator, does the network work on the livecd?
[23:14] <|Logitech|> XubuntuNewUser, use catfish
[23:14] <dahaic> XubuntuNewUser: well, you can download sound filefrom http://math.muni.cz/~xhaicman/lampa.wav
[23:14] <|Logitech|> in accessories
[23:15] <dahaic> it is my voice, so its legal :D
[23:15] <vinnl> XubuntuNewUser, Xubuntu can just play normal sound files (though might need to download some software for certain formats). If there's an Examples folder in your desktop there should be one there (you can recognise it by its icon)
[23:15] <dahaic> just one word, but sufficient for testing
[23:15] <Devastator> vinnl i'm using alternate cd as my system is too old
[23:15] <XubuntuNewUser> vinnl. No, there isn't an examples folder.
[23:16] <vinnl> Devastator, ah :S
[23:16] <Devastator> vinnl any thoughts?
[23:16] <vinnl> Other than removing the network hardware? I'm afraid not :(
[23:16] <Devastator> vinnl already did :(
[23:17] <vinnl> It's probably a bug, so reporting it (bugs.ubuntu.com) might provide you with a workaround
[23:17] <vinnl> But probably not
[23:17] <vinnl> Aw :(
[23:17] <keb> Devastator did you already check the disk for errors
[23:17] <vinnl> Ah, good one
[23:17] <Devastator> keb yep, disk is fine, also checked iso md5
[23:18] <Devastator> vinnl it keeps trying to detect network hardware in a infinite loop, then starts to write KILLED on the screen
[23:18] <keb> when you start there should be a way to try it with noapic and noacpi and other options
[23:18] <Devastator> after a minute or so, kernel panic - not syncing - out of memory
[23:19] <XubuntuNewUser> dahaic vinnl |logitech|   No, neither .wav- nor .ogg-files work.
[23:19] <Devastator> i've opened a thread in the forum, but isn't much views
[23:19] <Devastator> XubuntuNewUser did you tried wma? lol, just kidding
[23:20] <dahaic> midi maybe :D
[23:20] <keb> XubuntuNewUser did you try running the mixer and upping the volume etc
[23:20] <|Logitech|> XubuntuNewUser, your sound maybe muted?
[23:20] <XubuntuNewUser> Jepp.
[23:20] <vinnl> No it's not the file formats :P
[23:21] <dahaic> I am just glad, that it works for me :D
[23:21] <XubuntuNewUser> The "speaker"-icon is also greyed out. That is not supposed to be like that, right?
[23:21] <vinnl> Well, perhaps if you can skip Ubuntu-specific instructions, the webpage https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting might help
[23:21] <dahaic> I would hate messing with audio
[23:21] <vinnl> No
[23:22] <Devastator> i'm so dissapointed with my issue.. can't find anything on the net
[23:22] <dahaic> Devastator: it is the latest installer?
[23:23] <dahaic> and how old is your computer?
[23:25] <Devastator> dahaic yes, i've downloaded today, my laptop is a toshiba 1675cds, 64mb of ram, celeron 550mhz
[23:25] <|Logitech|> :D
[23:27] <dahaic> well, I am not linux power user, or something like that, but usually, people with very old hardware stay with older kernels
[23:27] <keb> Devastator does that kernel panic occur during install or while loading the initial boot sequence
[23:27] <Devastator> keb during install, when trying to detect network hardware
[23:28] <keb> did that laptop run a previous version of Xubuntu?
[23:29] <Devastator> no, it is running debian lenny
[23:29] <Devastator> but it's too heavy, i've read that xubuntu is the best choice for old hardware
[23:30] <keb> ok, i dont know in what ways lenny install differs from xubuntu install
[23:30] <keb> did you use text mode?
[23:31] <Devastator> not yet, i will try to ctrl+c while detecting
[23:31] <Devastator> to see if it stops
[23:31] <vinnl> Devastator, you can also try running Xfce on top of Debian
[23:32] <Devastator> thanks, worth a try
[23:32] <Devastator> but what i really want is to start fresh
[23:32] <vinnl> You can also do that with Debian, if Xubuntu's not working ;-)
[23:33] <Devastator> i will try to contribute a little, if i can
[23:33] <Devastator> i was curious about ubuntu, everybody says it's nice
[23:34] <vinnl> (If you want to do it with Debian, follow these instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce )
[23:34] <vinnl> Yeah that's because it is :)
[23:34] <vinnl> (If it works :P)
[23:35] <keb> i hear fluxbox and icewm are lighter than Xfce for a desktop
[23:35] <Devastator> fluxbox is what i'm running
[23:36] <vinnl> keb, true, but less feature-richt as well
[23:36] <vinnl> Also, running bare command line is even faster :)
[23:36] <Devastator> but my browser is heavy :|
[23:36] <vinnl> It's finding the right balance for you
[23:36] <vinnl> Devastator, which are you using?
[23:36] <Devastator> ice something
[23:36] <vinnl> Devastator, Iceweasel?
[23:37] <Tonno> hi to all.
[23:37] <Devastator> yep
[23:37] <Tonno> :)
[23:37] <vinnl> That's just Firefox rebranded
[23:37] <vinnl> !hi | Tonno
[23:37] <vinnl> Devastator, you might want to try Google's Chrome or Midori
[23:37] <Devastator> vinnl i knew that, but i though firefox was lightweight :(
[23:38] <vinnl> Devastator, not really
[23:38] <Devastator> ask me how i know :(
[23:38] <Tonno> it is posible to change the theme of xfce? ( sorry for my english. this is my first time using xubuntu )
[23:38] <keb> firefox chews up 100MB resident and 292 virtual memory with only one text page open
[23:38] <keb> on my system
[23:38] <vinnl> How do you know Devastator? ;-)
[23:38] <vinnl> keb, you want to check Writeable Memory, I've been told
[23:38] <vinnl> Tonno, sure
[23:39] <vinnl> Tonno, I wrote about that: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/
[23:39] <dahaic> I don't know heavier browser than firefox :P
[23:39] <Tonno> vinnl, it is hard to do? or i can do it like '123' like ubuntu does?
[23:39] <vinnl> dahaic, well... In Xubuntu Konqueror will be heavier, I suppose
[23:40] <vinnl> Tonno, depends on how far you want to go, I suppose it's one step harder or something
[23:40] <vinnl> But very doable
[23:40] <Devastator> is it unpolite to bump a forum topic? i'm on page 5 right now
[23:40] <vinnl> Yeah often it is
[23:41] <XubuntuNewUser> Still no sound. The help-webpage doesn't really work well.
[23:41] <Devastator> vinnl but i haven't got an answer yet, should i bump?
[23:42] <vinnl> Devastator, how old is it?
[23:42] <Devastator> running installer with acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, nomraid
[23:42] <Devastator> 2 hours
[23:42] <vinnl> Then no, you shouldn't bump
[23:45] <Devastator> with acpi=off, noapic, nolapic and nomraid i could get "cannot detect your network hardware"
[23:45] <Devastator> much better
[23:46] <Devastator> now i'm gonna try with only acpi=off
[23:46] <keb> cool
[23:47] <keb> if you figure out which option is triggering the panic, you could file a bug
[23:49] <Devastator> i will figure.. you bet
[23:50] <keb> hehe good spirit :)
[23:50] <Devastator> that's how i'm when i'm pissed :D
[23:51] <Tonno> vinnl, woah man! my god O_O, are u sure that xubuntu?
[23:51] <vinnl> Tonno, hmm?
[23:52] <keb> haha "make Xubuntu look like Windows Vista"
[23:52] <Tonno> the bad news for my is that i will have to use emerald if i want xubuntu like win7 i vist@ :(
[23:53] <vinnl> keb, yeah, that was a fun experiment :P
[23:53] <keb> vinnl those themes are from 4.4, do they still work for 4.6
[23:53] <vinnl> Tonno, there are xfwm4 themes too that emulate that, I suppose, but without transparency
[23:53] <vinnl> keb, depends, which themes?
[23:53] <vinnl> Ah, the Vista ones? Yeah
[23:54] <keb> that could be fun
[23:54] <vinnl> Hmm, I didn't really like them in use :P
[23:56] <keb> ok now the reason i logged in here today... does anyone know how to get a partition *out* of a RAID1 configuration without losing data?
[23:57] <Tonno> vinnl, but u have a good graphic card no?
[23:57] <vinnl> Tonno, ha, not really :P A guy was here thursday, and said how he had a five year old graphics card that was better than mine :P
[23:57] <vinnl> And I just replaced my previous card with this one :P
[23:57] <dahaic> night, people o/
[23:57] <vinnl> Night dahaic
[23:57] <keb> night
[23:58] <keb> im using a NVidia fx5200, works ok but not great for compiz
[23:58] <Tonno> jejeje :P how many mb of graphic card u have?
[23:59] <keb> 128
[23:59] <Tonno> i have a Open Chrome 256
[23:59] <vinnl> My previous one was 64 MB IIRC and I could run it on that


[15:00] <statik> me
[15:01] <bac> me 2
[15:01]  * sinzui says me
[15:01] <barry> welcome to the ameu launchpad reviewers meeting, for the next 45 minutes or less
[15:01] <barry> == Agenda ==
[15:01] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:01] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:01] <barry>  * Action items
[15:01] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:01] <barry>   * Leftover branches - confirm that the on-call reviewer should allocate all remaining branches on the general queue at the end of his shift (or discuss a different solution).
[15:01] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:01] <barry>  * Review process changes
[15:01] <barry>    * Tool update
[15:02]  * barry goes a reviewer-rustlin'
[15:02] <BjornT_> me
[15:02] <salgado> me
[15:02] <intellectronica> me
[15:03] <gmb> me
[15:03] <statik> me
[15:03] <sinzui> me
[15:03] <flacoste> me
[15:03] <bac> me
[15:04] <barry> great, welcome to our first meeting of 2008!
[15:04] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:04] <barry> today + 1week?  any objections?  any known absences?
[15:04] <barry> 5
[15:04] <barry> 4
[15:04] <barry> 3
[15:05] <barry> 2
[15:05] <barry> 1
[15:05] <barry>  * Action items
[15:05] <barry> Actions from the last meeting:
[15:05] <barry>  * barry to edit him some wikis about on-call procedures
[15:05] <barry>  * intellectronica to work on a cover letter template
[15:05]  * barry sucks; he will edit him some wikis
[15:05]  * intellectronica sucks too
[15:05] <barry> i really will try to do that this week
[15:06] <barry> * Queue status
[15:06] <barry>   * Leftover branches - confirm that the on-call reviewer should allocate all remaining branches on the general queue at the end of his shift (or discuss a different solution).
[15:06] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:06] <intellectronica> i'll try to do this promptly and talk to mwh about inclusion in his tool
[15:06] <barry> (oops c&p error there)
[15:06] <barry> intellectronica: excellent, thanks
[15:06] <barry> so the general queue got pretty big
[15:07] <sinzui> intellectronica: mwh is out for the next 3.5 weeks
[15:07] <barry> and intellectronica reminded me this morning that we'd decided to have on-call reviewers do a general queue assignment at the end of his shift
[15:07] <intellectronica> sinzui: well, i won't talk to him, then
[15:08] <barry> intellectronica: we can keep this on the agenda until mwh gets back
[15:08] <barry> i don't think it's urgent
[15:09] <barry> fwiw, i gave lifeless the opportunity to shed load so he won't be doing PR assignments for now
[15:09] <barry> and i know we all want to just kill off PR anyway
[15:09] <barry> but for now, intellectronica can you do a general queue assignment when you're done for the day?
[15:10] <intellectronica> will do. if ppl /don't/ want branches for review tonight, drop by in #launchpad-reviews and say yo
[15:10] <salgado> I'd stopped doing the allocations because then on call reviewers could take the unassigned ones when there wasn't any branches for them to review
[15:11] <intellectronica> salgado: but today, for example, by the time i finish the queue will, in all likelihood, still have quite a few branches in it
[15:11] <barry> salgado: i wonder if falling behind was mostly an aberration around the holidays/new years?
[15:12] <salgado> yeah, I was wondering that as well
[15:12] <sinzui> barry: That and the fact that reviewers are still out
[15:12] <intellectronica> barry: from what i can tell the queue filled up significantly after your shift yesterday
[15:12] <intellectronica> barry: so it's something we can expect to happen every now and then
[15:12] <barry> intellectronica: it was pretty full when i checked toward the latter part of my shift, but by then i was already booked on reviews
[15:13] <intellectronica> either way - allocations are not going anywhere, even with on call reviews :-/
[15:13] <barry> we need to clear the backlog, so let's do this: intellectronica do an assignment at the end of today and let's all do our reviews the old way
[15:14] <barry> that should clear the backlog and let us get back to our super-efficent on-call process :)
[15:15] <salgado> sounds good to me
[15:15] <barry> so maybe we should do general assignments on an as-needed basis only, and not as s.o.p. for on-callers?
[15:16] <flacoste> well
[15:16] <flacoste> i have some problems with that strategy
[15:17] <flacoste> problem being that branches on the general queue still should be serviced in the <48H SLA
[15:17] <flacoste> so they sould be assigned ASAP for that
[15:17] <flacoste> if the on-call cannot do them
[15:17] <flacoste> otherwise, there is a risk that they'll be unassigned for a complete shift
[15:17] <flacoste> because the on-call is prompted for new branches
[15:18] <flacoste> and then branches on general reviews will linger
[15:18] <flacoste> so i think the process should be
[15:18] <flacoste> on-call reviewer does allocation
[15:19] <flacoste> many times during the day
[15:19] <flacoste> if he has slack he assigns some to himself
[15:19] <flacoste> put assign others
[15:19] <flacoste> no keeping in general queue for the case - where the on-call "might" have time
[15:19] <flacoste> reviewers should still check PendingReviews daily to see if they have assigned branches
[15:19] <sinzui> +1
[15:20] <barry> ok, that's fine by me
[15:20] <flacoste> i would suggest that after each review, the on-call does an allocation run
[15:20] <intellectronica> flacoste: you've got a point there
[15:20] <intellectronica> +1
[15:20] <flacoste> and it's ok for new branches to pre-empt stuff in the general queue
[15:21] <flacoste> iow, even if there are unallocated reviews in the general queue, the on-call should still accept an interactive request for a review
[15:22] <flacoste> the 'general queue' stuff will be assigned to other reviews
[15:22] <flacoste> reviewers
[15:22] <flacoste> one gotcha though
[15:22] <barry> sounds good.  the only risk is that the on-caller will not have anything to do while there are still needs-review branches in other people's queue.  i'm okay with that
[15:22] <flacoste> allocation of reviews to somebody who is fed up with reviews because he was on-called the previous day
[15:22] <flacoste> or something like that
[15:23] <barry> flacoste: that reviewer can always move the branch to the rejected queue
[15:23] <flacoste> good point!
[15:23] <flacoste> and we should emphasis that!
[15:23] <barry> yep
[15:23] <flacoste> don't be afraid of rejecting reviews because you had a full on-call day!
[15:24] <flacoste> of course, allocating to the next on-call is probably a good idea
[15:24] <bac> or on-call reviewers can mark their queue with /!\ if they really don't want to accept other reviews.  20% is a lot for of time for reviewing
[15:24] <barry> hey, there ya go.  we should just wipe all the review queues and round-robin all needs-reviews to the next on-caller :)
[15:25] <flacoste> barry: i fear for the SLA with that strategy
[15:25] <barry> flacoste: i was kidding
[15:26] <barry> well, this is never going to be perfect until we get rid of PR anyway <wink> so let's go with flacoste's plan and see how it goes
[15:26]  * barry will edit him some wikis
[15:27] <barry> anything else on this topic?
[15:27] <barry> 5
[15:27] <barry> 4
[15:27] <barry> 3
[15:27] <barry> 2
[15:27] <barry> 1
[15:27] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:28] <gmb> I've had no reviews for salgado or mwhudson to mentor since last cycle.
[15:28] <barry> gmb: cool.  you're next on-call is coming up right?
[15:28] <gmb> A combination of sickness and super-efficient on-call revfiews, I think.
[15:29] <gmb> barry: I think so. salgado, are you o/c tomorrow?
[15:29] <salgado> gmb, yep
[15:29] <gmb> salgado: Mind if I join you?
[15:29] <salgado> gmb, not at all!
[15:29] <gmb> Cool.
[15:29] <flacoste> hey, another worthwhile allocation strategy: gives them to mentoree!
[15:29] <gmb> barry: There's your answer then :)
[15:29] <barry> gmb: excellent!
[15:30] <barry> flacoste: you're the perfect straight man.  which leads me to my next question...
[15:30] <barry> is it time for more recruits?
[15:30] <barry> right now we have just gmb, ddaa, and jvt
[15:30] <flacoste> with mwhudson off, i think it's a good idea
[15:31] <barry> i think jvt will never graduate (by his own choice iiuc)
[15:31] <flacoste> some people just like staying in school all their life!
[15:31] <barry> any nominations?
[15:31] <intellectronica> cprov
[15:31] <flacoste> barry: i think you had volunteers?
[15:32] <barry> flacoste: i did
[15:32] <barry> jsk was one :/
[15:32] <barry> schwuk was another
[15:33] <flacoste> maybe
[15:33] <flacoste> we should
[15:33] <flacoste> send an request for candidates to launchpad
[15:33] <barry> there aren't too many others left are there? :)  allenap, edwin, bigjools (actually i think he volunteered too), leondardr
[15:33] <bigjools> I did indeed
[15:34] <barry> how many can we reasonably digest now?  we need mentors for each
[15:34] <cprov> intellectronica: here
[15:34] <sinzui> allenap attended our reviewer's meeting at all hands. I thought he was interested
[15:35] <intellectronica> cprov: i was just suggesting that you might want to become a reviewer
[15:35] <flacoste> i suggest a "call for candidacy"
[15:35] <cprov> intellectronica: wait, you are nominating me to become a reviewer ...
[15:35] <flacoste> and collect candidates and try to find mentors next week
[15:35] <barry> flacoste: i say a volunteer candidate has to rustle himself up a mentor.  :)
[15:35] <flacoste> that's also a good strategy
[15:36] <barry> and we'll accept whoever 1) volunteers; 2) has an agreed mentor
[15:36] <flacoste> ok
[15:36] <flacoste> and we can talk about people who have 1) but not 2) in next meeting
[15:36]  * barry feels like we're getting very close to "everyone is a reviewer"
[15:36] <barry> flacoste: +1
[15:37] <barry> oh yeah, abel too
[15:37] <barry> (abel is not a reviewer yet)
[15:37] <barry> great.  anthing else on this topic?
[15:37] <barry> 5
[15:37] <flacoste> carlos and danilos are two others
[15:37] <barry> flacoste: right!
[15:38] <barry> 4
[15:38] <barry> 3
[15:38] <barry> 2
[15:38] <cprov> intellectronica: maybe after 1.2.5, I feel busy enough until Soyuz 2.0 features get established, but thanks for considering it
[15:38] <flacoste> as is Edwin
[15:38] <barry> 1
[15:38] <danilos> I should start the procedure soon enough
[15:38] <danilos> (as discussed with kiko last year :)
[15:38] <barry> danilos: it's never to early to find a mentor :)
[15:38] <barry> * Review process changes
[15:38] <barry>    * Tool update
[15:38] <danilos> barry: will look into finding one, thanks for the heads up
[15:39] <barry> danilos: i will send a "call for candidates" later today
[15:39] <danilos> barry: great, thanks
[15:39] <barry> gmb: anything to report on the tool?  i had some problems with the plugin yesterday, but i think it was because my rf was messed up.  i re-branched and it worked great
[15:40] <gmb> barry: No, nothing new. With sickness etc I haven't touched on it much, though allenap has volunteered to help with it when he gets time.
[15:40] <sinzui> I always use the -d option to pass the diff I made. I sometimes annotate the diff
[15:41] <barry> gmb, allenap_ great!
[15:42] <barry> okay, that's it from me.  we have 3 minutes left.  anybody have anything not on the agenda?
[15:43] <barry> sounds like we're done then
[15:43] <barry> MEETING ENDS
[15:43] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:43] <bac> thanks barry
[15:43] <mwhudson> notes from off: there's a branch on the bazaar mailing list that will make the diff computation review-submit does much faster
[15:44] <barry> mwhudson: cool


[03:14] <SlidingHorn> Bashing-om: party pooper :P  (kidding)
[03:16] <Bashing-om> SlidingHorn: Again ?? .. what have I done this time that dims the party light ?
[03:17] <SlidingHorn> Teasing about the open source driver comment (I try to keep FLOSS whenever I can, so I in most senses agree)
[03:28] <Bashing-om> SlidingHorn: I take it that the folks that write the upgrade guide know .. revert all to default .. and hit the button :)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> morning Kharma
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> morning LtWorf
[05:15] <Kharma> Hey MightyNoob
[05:15] <MightyNoob> hey Kharma, I'm checking out the link you pasted!
[05:15] <Kharma> It was a great help for me! I love the command line tutorial! Starts out basic but give it time
[05:17] <Kharma> MightyNoob: Which IRC program do you use? I use Irssi which is a command-line client. There is also WeeChat but I have tried both and prefur Irssi
[05:17] <Kharma> Oh I see you use Kiwi, try Irssi if you get a chance. Highly customizable
[05:18] <MightyNoob> Kharma I use a web interface one, Kiwi :)
[05:18] <MightyNoob> I just setup my Ubuntu haven't dabbled with it all that much to be honest, I installed it like an hour ago, but im slowly settings things up
[05:18] <Kharma> I use Kiwi when I am on ChromeOS.  Im running my Ubuntu on a VM on an iMac and it runs much smoother than I expected to be honest
[05:19] <Kharma> Oh wow. You're quick. Which Ubuntu version are you using?
[05:19] <MightyNoob> it's pretty snappy for a VM!
[05:19] <MightyNoob> 16.04 LTS version
[05:20] <MightyNoob> how about you? which version are you running?
[05:21] <Kharma> I'm still on 16.04 LTS I'm waiting for the updater in a few days to update to 18.04
[05:22] <MightyNoob> ah yeah! I heard it's gonna be out soon :)  let's see what new features it brings to the table, Im loving my experience with it so far! how long have you been using/running Ubuntu Kharma?
[05:25] <Kharma> About 2 months now MightyNoob, I am still so noob to it though.  Linux is like a foriegn language. For past 7 years all I used was Android, no PC. I saved up for months and got my Chromebook in February, about a month later I researched how to use things not native to ChromeOS. Discovered a few ways of running Linux on it, and found duel-booting to be my best option.
[05:26] <Kharma> Runs very smoothly
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> Kharma: for lts to lts upgrade we advice to wait till june .1
[05:28] <MightyNoob> Kharma nice nice! yeap! Linux is a definitely a decent skill to have, it also instills deeper understanding of OSs/ecosystems and then everything else starts making much better sense :)
[05:36] <Kharma> MightyNoob:  https://github.com/denysdovhan/bash-handbook another refeence for bash. Pretty good too.
[05:37] <Kharma> MightyNoob:  Yes, I've learned so much I didn't know. I've been using computers/internet for 15 years but on Windows, which taught me nothing lol
[05:38] <Kharma> lotuspsychje:  June 1 will be when the autoupdater comes out? With version 18.04.01?
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Kharma: correct, as this is the LTS 'safe way of upgrading
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Kharma: aka: more bugs sorted out, safer for the mass users
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> Kharma: but for more advanced users, you can upgrade now already and help/experience too
[05:41] <MightyNoob> Kharma yeah agree with you! :)  I switched from Windows to Mac OS and then got bored with it and didn't like the restrictions it imposes, so I installed Ubuntu to use as a primary OS and learning ground :)
[05:45] <MightyNoob> running it on a VM has this great advantage of creating "snapshots" in case something goes wrong you can kind of revert back to the old changes, its sort of like a backup but a bit more instant and quicker to go back to
[05:45] <MightyNoob> I pretty much take a snapshot before doing anything major, when it goes horribly wrong I just revert back to the most recent snapshot, duh! :)
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> got to run guys, sunny day and party
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> have a nice day all
[06:12] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:47] <Kharma> Anybody use MUTT?
[06:54] <ducasse> yes, a little
[06:55] <Kharma> Does it work out of the box for things like Gmail?
[06:57] <ducasse> you need to make a config file
[06:58] <Kharma> Do I need to install an SMTP server to use my domain email addresses? Email with Linux is a little confussing for me.
[07:00] <guiverc> hey folks - have a look at #ubuntu - unless i'm wrong; standford is maybe trolling, 17.10 isn't supported, go back to 12 or 14  - or i'm just having an off day
[07:01] <ducasse> he also told someone the best distro for beginners is gentoo...
[07:02] <ducasse> Kharma: does it have a mail server already?
[07:06] <guiverc> i was busy elsewhere so only saw bits - i missed the gentoo
[07:08] <Kharma> It is a MUA and an MRA.. so I don't think I can send mail with it..from what I gather.. ducasse
[07:08] <ducasse> guiverc: good morning, btw :) all good today?
[07:09] <Kharma> without installing aditional software*
[07:09] <ducasse> Kharma: it needs a mail server
[07:09] <guiverc> thanks ducasse - good morning to you.  very good thanks, you?
[07:09] <ducasse> early yet, but seems good so far :)
[07:10] <guiverc> mra?  mail transfer, user agent - mra?  (motorcycle riders assoc is what that means to me)
[07:10] <Kharma> Yikes.. so I would need to run a mail server on my local machine? any advice for something lightweight?
[07:10] <Kharma> Mail Retrieval Agent
[07:11] <Kharma> And I assume I would set up my domain email mx records to point to the mail server and configure mutt to use it...
[07:12] <ducasse> Kharma: no, you don't want to run your own mail server. find a company that will host it for you, there are many.
[07:12] <Kharma> Ahh good.
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:05] <daftykins> good morn \o
[11:05] <daftykins> how's the connection working out?
[11:06] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins , it's working great so far, no problems
[11:07] <daftykins> feeling the need to open a few streaming videos at once to impress yourself? :D
[11:08] <BluesKaj> nope, haven't bothered with that ...don't see thew point :-)
[11:09] <daftykins> ah well i could furnish you with a nice video at sunset here on the islands - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pypYaEjlY9g
[11:17] <BluesKaj> nice
[11:18] <daftykins> wrong coast, but still nice colours :>
[11:34] <BluesKaj> which coast is it?
[11:36] <daftykins> east :)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> heh, that explains why no sun :-)
[12:38] <pragmaticenigma> oh no daftykins that video must've killed blues' connection :-(
[12:41] <oerheks> uh oh
[12:41] <oerheks> !tell daftykins | go paint your house, lad
[13:08]  * daftykins whistles
[13:08] <daftykins> it's ok i'm out there, i've just done prep, about to crack the paint tins open :)
[18:35] <Kharma> When using the cp command, leaving off the trailing slash of the source will create the source directory in the destination's directory? Or will it just copy the source files into the destination?
[18:44] <leftyfb> Kharma: that's VERY easy thing to test for
[18:49] <daftykins> sounds like support to me
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> support? google search sounds more effective
[19:31] <Kharma> This channel seems so busy, you can say that but not answer a simple question I guess? Why idle in an IRC room if talking is such a chore! Any #ubuntu* room seems such full of veteran snobs and it's sad really considering there are so many people using Linux for the first time lately.
[19:32] <daftykins> Kharma: read the topic, use the correct channels.
[19:33] <daftykins> Kharma: i'm not a veteran at all, i just know how to read topics - now straighten your underwear out and grow up


[01:27]  * pleia2 hopes so!
[01:32] <bkerensa> jyo: I wonder if diane can turn on vidyo
[01:32] <bkerensa> :D
[01:32] <bkerensa> so I can watch
[01:32]  * bkerensa can operate the robotic cams if she enables :P
[01:32] <bkerensa> skynet
[01:33] <pleia2> by this time I expect the party has been handed off to Zibi


[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:04] <Mikaela> hi
[08:04] <elfy> morning both :)
[08:07] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you doing?
[08:07] <elfy> waking up ...
[08:08] <elfy> just :)
[08:08] <lordievader> Hehe, same here ;)
[12:36] <EuaD> howdy everyone, i installed 15.04 in Virtualbox and for whatever reason it won't enter my desktop. I enter my username and password in lightdm and I hit enter and it just sits at this screen http://gyazo.com/3e7bdd4db31405655cb21c2adc3d6a52
[13:21] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:21]  * ObrienDave waves
[13:22] <BluesKaj> 0/
[13:33] <Mikaela> hi
[19:33] <HFSPLUS> HFSPLUS HAS ARRIVED!
[19:41] <HFSPLUS> !ops | HFSPLUS IS HERE BAN ME
[19:41] <HFSPLUS> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[23:59] <EuaD> i can't seem to log into my newly created 15.04 vbox, i click on the login name in lightdm and it doesn't do anything. here


[04:15] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[05:38]  * smartboyhw waves at phillw
[07:47]  * green7 waves
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Bug 1034381
[10:28] <smartboyhw> bug 837054
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Is any testcase admins team people here?
[12:13] <smartboyhw> balloons or phillw?
[12:59] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu QA Meeting in an hour
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Meeting in 20 minutes
[13:53] <smartboyhw> QA meeting in 7 minuts
[13:56]  * smartboyhw slaps balloons around a bit with a large trout
[13:59]  * smartboyhw slaps balloons around a bit with a large trout
[14:00] <smartboyhw> balloons and phillw and astraljava: Please go to the meeting now!!!
[14:05] <balloons> phillw, ohh
[14:06] <smartboyhw> balloons: ?
[14:06] <balloons> lol, i'm guessing you didn't get the results because your email was down? I'll send again
[14:06] <smartboyhw> What results? balloons, get back to the meeting, please
[14:11] <smartboyhw> phillw: o/ if you are there
[14:14] <balloons> phillw, results have been re-sent
[14:17] <smartboyhw> balloons: Finished speaking or what?
[14:24] <smartboyhw> balloons: Are you in there?
[14:39] <smartboyhw> balloons: Answer on meeting
[14:44] <smartboyhw> So, balloons...What should we talk about?
[14:45] <balloons> smartboyhw, Of shoes and ships and sealing-wax
[14:45] <balloons> and cabbages and kngs
[14:45] <smartboyhw> What?
[14:45] <smartboyhw> No jokes, please
[14:45] <balloons> smartboyhw, more literature..
[14:45] <balloons> alice in wonderland.. probably lost on you
[14:45] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:45] <balloons> I must lighten my day, I'm sorry
[14:46] <balloons> you had questions, ask away
[14:46] <smartboyhw> So, I saw some Mythbuntu testcases missing...
[14:47] <balloons> what do you mean missing/
[14:47] <balloons> and where?>
[14:48] <smartboyhw> In the ISO QA Tracker
[14:48] <smartboyhw> FrontEnd and BackEnd
[14:48] <smartboyhw> They are all TBD
[14:48] <balloons> link?
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Wait a moment
[14:49] <smartboyhw> I'm helping the Mythbuntu guys to test, BTW, they need testers
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Don't worry, someone fixed it now
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Forget about it.
[14:50] <balloons> heh
[14:50] <balloons> k
[14:51] <smartboyhw> balloons: So what can we do more to promote the team? You said everyone can do that...
[14:51] <balloons> yes, smartboyhw
[14:51] <balloons> yes, speaking with others and inviting them to help in testing promotes the team
[14:51] <balloons> blogging about your work also promotes
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Blogging?
[14:52] <balloons> going to a loco and getting others involved
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Yeah, I don't know how to get contact with Hong Kong LoCo, I can't contact them
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Anyway, balloons, I forgotten: Is there a Twitter channel for testing?
[14:54] <balloons> smartboyhw, there is
[14:54] <balloons> :-)
[14:54] <balloons> @ubuntutesting
[14:54] <meetingology> balloons: Error: "ubuntutesting" is not a valid command.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Ha!
[14:54] <smartboyhw> balloons just got slaped by meetingology
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Wait, does that mean we can actually hold meetings here?
[14:55] <balloons> smartboyhw, yes we are able
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Hmm....That's weird
[14:56] <smartboyhw> balloons: Then why do we have to host meetings in #ubuntu-meeting?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> balloons: Are you typing or are you asleep?:)
[14:59] <balloons> smartboyhw, we host them in #ubuntu-meeting because that's the meeting place
[14:59] <balloons> we don't have to
[14:59] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:59] <balloons> we could have them here
[15:00] <balloons> but it would interrupt this room for an hour
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Oh!
[15:00] <balloons> in there it interrupts no one
[15:01] <smartboyhw> balloons: Xubuntu hosts it's meetings in it
[15:02] <smartboyhw> 's devel channel
[15:02] <balloons> smartboyhw, ?
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Look at #xubuntu-devel
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Hey, astraljava's just booted up!
[15:04] <balloons> yay astraljava
[15:04] <astraljava> Yes, hi. Sorry I missed the meeting, was commuting.
[15:05] <balloons> astraljava, no worries mate
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Yep, we will be here
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Not much on the meeting, don't worry
[15:10] <smartboyhw> balloons: I asked on #ubuntu-devel about AbiWord, they told me to look on Launchpad!
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Bye1
[16:23] <bdmurray> jibel: how did you discover bug 1017001 was reproducable using mythbuntu?  I'm wondering if there is something missing from these apport reports.
[18:02] <njin> balloons, nope, actually i'm not able to draw that grid into drupal, i download videos to learn, but today's isn't possible to have the necessary concentration (too high temperatures)
[18:02] <balloons> heh
[18:02] <balloons> njin, I can try
[18:02] <balloons> let's have a look together
[18:02] <njin> it is pratically done, just remaining that allignement
[18:02]  * njin happy
[18:03] <balloons> ok, I see your testcase
[18:04] <balloons> right the tables look.. ok.. just not formatted nicely
[18:04]  * balloons is editing
[18:04] <njin> njin is thanking balloons
[18:05] <balloons> hmm
[18:06] <njin> I've also thinked to attacha screenshot if it is more easy
[18:06] <phillw> balloons: ping
[18:06] <balloons> phillw, pong
[18:07] <phillw> sprry for not being about, just as my dad for his works this morning, one of the 2 guys called in sick & my Dad was due out to day.
[18:07] <phillw> *sorry*
[18:15] <njin> me fighting mosquitoes but seems they are winning
[18:15] <balloons> phillw, no worries
[18:15] <balloons> njin, heh I know the feeling
[18:15] <balloons> lots of rain this summer
[18:15] <balloons> lots of bugs
[18:16] <balloons> so i made a change
[18:16] <balloons> likely you saw i
[18:16] <balloons> *it
[18:16] <njin> uhh, they beat me everywhere
[18:16] <balloons> but I couldn't get the borders to appear
[18:16]  * njin looking
[18:17] <balloons> so, I have one more solution to try
[18:18] <njin> ok, so i adjust the other remaining part and start with install print server
[18:18] <balloons> well
[18:18] <balloons> let me try one other thing
[18:18] <balloons> I ideally want borders around it
[18:18] <njin> ok
[18:18] <balloons> take a look now
[18:18] <balloons> I used the pre tag
[18:19] <balloons> yep
[18:19] <balloons> i like that
[18:19] <balloons> let me fix the table.
[18:19] <balloons> one sec
[18:19] <balloons> but using pre looks nice
[18:19] <njin> yes, just to adjust the space inside
[18:19] <njin> i'll do it then, thanks
[18:20]  * njin looking the code
[18:20] <balloons> k
[18:20] <balloons> I adjusted it
[18:20] <balloons> basically use a monospace font in an outside editor, then paste it in
[18:20] <balloons> it looks jumbled after pasting, but it renders properly
[18:21] <balloons> does that make sense?
[18:21] <balloons> I'm converting the other one back now
[18:21] <njin> great works, thanks
[18:23] <njin> pratically I'm obscure in web stuff
[18:23] <balloons> k, should look good now
[18:23] <njin> k, thanks a lot
[18:23] <balloons> njin I think this got lost in translation : :pratically I'm obscure in web stuff"
[18:23] <njin> I go on with print server
[18:23] <balloons> :-) Are you meaning to say you aren't familar with web markup?
[18:23]  * njin asking google translate...
[18:24] <balloons> hehe
[18:24] <balloons> yes, keep going.. looking very good!
[18:24] <balloons> use the pre tag for this type of stuff I guess.. looks nice
[18:25] <njin> ok, is very nice
[18:26] <balloons> njin, make sure you copy the tests over to prod as soon as you like the way they look
[18:27] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases
[18:27] <balloons> otherwise, they could be lost.. that's only a test server, and the data could get wiped
[18:28] <njin> uh, really
[18:28] <balloons> njin, yes.. shouldn't be an issue, but please treat it that way
[18:28] <balloons> it's not getting backed up, not guarenteed to be up, etc
[18:28] <balloons> don't put real data there long term :-)
[18:30] <njin> ok, balloons I'm doing it
[18:30] <balloons> njin, excellent
[18:30] <balloons> don't worry.. the testcases don't show up until I assign them anyways
[18:30] <balloons> so there's no harm at all with putting them on the production site
[18:30] <njin> ok, essential don't miss the work
[18:30] <balloons> even before we're ready to use them
[20:16] <njin> balloons, mail server testcase is done and verified, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites
[20:16] <balloons> njin, awesome
[20:16] <balloons> how many are left now?
[20:17] <njin> 12 mandatory + 4 run at once + 1 optional
[20:17] <njin> tomorrow I go on, now is late, see you soon
[20:19] <njin> tomorrow i try to run  the raid in real hardware and do the testcase
[20:20] <njin> balloons, see yo tomorow, bye
[20:54] <bdmurray> jibel: ping
[20:54] <jibel> bdmurray, pong
[20:55] <bdmurray> jibel: how did you determine mythbuntu for the test case in bug 1017001?
[20:55] <bdmurray> jibel: it seems to be something might be missing from the apport data for package installations
[20:55] <jibel> bdmurray, I read the comments on the duplicates
[20:55] <bdmurray> jibel: having InstallationMedia might have helped?
[20:56] <jibel> I don't think something is missing from the apport data
[20:56] <bdmurray> or whatever it is...
[20:57] <jibel> bdmurray, more precisely this comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/937196/comments/15 from mrand
[20:57] <jibel> and I just tried it in a VM
[20:58] <bdmurray> jibel: and I'm suggesting that apport-package bugs should have '/var/log/installer/media-info', 'InstallationMedia' added to them
[20:59] <jibel> but I think mythbuntu without updates is just one way to trigger the bug. There is probably a smaller set of packages with specific versions to install and still reproduce it.
[20:59] <bdmurray> that way one could more easily determine what initial image to start with
[21:00] <jibel> well, some of them have this info but not all. I see from the duplicates
[21:00] <jibel>  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-Netbook 10.04 "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100429.4)
[21:00] <jibel>  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100429)
[21:02] <bdmurray> jibel: right lp-bug-dupe-properties would help here
[21:03] <jibel> bdmurray, what is  lp-bug-dupe-properties ?
[21:03] <bdmurray> jibel: don't you read my blog‽ http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=122
[21:05] <jibel> bdmurray, the problem is not reading blogs but remembering the contents :)
[21:05] <bdmurray> well surely that tool should have been memorable!
[21:05] <ScottK> Has anyone seen issues where upgrading 11.10 to 12.04 just stops in the middle?
[21:06] <ScottK> Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/apparmor ...
[21:06] <ScottK>  * Starting AppArmor profiles
[21:06] <ScottK>    ...done.
[21:06] <ScottK>  * Reloading AppArmor profiles
[21:06] <ScottK>    ...done.
[21:06] <ScottK> Setting up bash-completion (1:1.3-1ubuntu8) ...
[21:06] <ScottK> Then crickets.
[21:07] <jibel> bdmurray, it is not in Quantal ?
[21:07] <jibel> I mean not in lptools available in Quantal
[21:08] <bdmurray> oh maybe nobody has uploaded it yet to quantal
[21:09] <jibel> such a memorable tools should be an Quantal
[21:09] <jibel> tool
[21:12] <ScottK> Nevermind.  Seems to be hardware related.
[21:26] <kanliot> any guidelines on reporting an intermittent bug?
[21:27] <kanliot> a lockup bug seems to happen intermittently
[21:27] <kanliot> not sure which process it is.... could be mplayer, or gnome-mplayer
[21:42] <balloons> kanliot, in precise or ?
[21:43] <kanliot> yeah precise.  wrong channeL?
[21:44] <balloons> well.. you may be better off asking in ubuntu-bugs.. however, the more you can do to narrow down what's happening the better
[21:44] <balloons> is the kernel locking up? a process? the desktop?
[21:44] <balloons> sorry.. I should get it right.. #ubuntu-bugs
[21:44] <kanliot> nope just the video
[21:44] <kanliot> which isnt' severe
[21:45] <balloons> what do you mean by video?
[21:46] <kanliot> man can i raincheck this chat thx
[21:47] <balloons> kanliot, sure
[23:31] <kanliot> !bug 1037344 can someone check this over for accuracy in my bug report?


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