[12:02] <dredg> apt-get.org gives me the fear
[12:02] <dredg> merging apt-get.org into ubuntu makes me cry. lots.
[12:04] <schweeb> what's the consensus on that? is the stuff going into a seperate repos until we can QA approve each package for universe?
[12:05] <dholbach> schweeb: it's going directly in universe/multiverse
[12:05] <dholbach> i'm building/testing each package
[12:05] <Amaranth> what does FTBFS mean?
[12:06] <dholbach> fail to build from source
[12:06] <diamond> Amaranth: fails to build from ... yeah
[12:06] <Amaranth> ah
[12:07] <koke>  $ wtf ftbfs
[12:07] <koke> Gee...  I don't know what ftbfs means...
[12:07] <koke> we need to patch that :P
[12:09] <dredg> er, openssh does ipv6 fine...
[12:10] <diamond> koke: -)
[12:11] <dredg> and urgh :( native packages
[12:11] <dredg> bad bad bad
[12:11] <dholbach> dredg: all over the place
[12:11] <dholbach> Need to get 140Mb of source.
[12:11] <dredg> for _what_?
[12:11] <dholbach> not sure yet
[12:11] <dholbach> debian.speedblue.org
[12:12] <dholbach> ah that cross compiler stuff
[12:12] <dredg> oh so very bong
[12:12] <dholbach> chucked it out already
[12:13] <dredg> dbishell successful :)
[12:13] <diamond> dredg: grats
[12:14] <bddebian> Well later folks, guess I had better go home and install Ubuntu now.. :-)
[12:14] <diamond> bddebian: nite.
[12:14] <dholbach> bddebian: good night
[12:14] <dholbach> yeah!
[12:15] <bddebian> :-)
[12:17] <dholbach> he'll be bdubuntu soon ;-p
[12:18] <dholbach> ho... 722M    /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ - time for a cleanup
[12:19] <schweeb> heh
[12:20] <schweeb> nice
[12:20] <schweeb> I just removed all of my Stargate Atlantis eps so i actually have somd HDD space
[12:21] <schweeb> 10M     /var/cache/pbuilder/result/
[12:21] <schweeb> hehe
[12:22] <koke> aArgh!!! malone is bugggyyy :/ the links in the bug list are done with <td onclick="..."> ?!?!
[12:23] <koke> I *NEED* to open link in tabs
[12:27] <dholbach> jbailey: do you guys already know when you'll have a  ant  package round in ubuntu?
[12:29] <jbailey> dholbach: I think it went in yesterday.
[12:29] <dholbach> jbailey: just because i'm currently experiencing the delights of building apt-get.org on my box and some packages have the urging demand for  ant  - i leave those packages as "FTBFS (Java)", alright?
[12:29] <dholbach> oh
[12:30] <dholbach> but surely still needs elmo approval
[12:30] <jbailey> May have been the day before.  wasabi was excited about it. =)
[12:30] <dholbach> alright
[12:30] <ajmitch_> got to install subversion on a RHEL-alike box
[12:30] <dholbach> i'll get back to those packages later
[12:30] <jbailey> ajmitch_: One word: debtakeover.
[12:30] <ajmitch_> I don't like RH stuff that much :)
[12:30] <ajmitch_> hehe
[12:31] <ajmitch_> we're considering ubuntu when a new server goes in
[12:31] <Jerub> bah
[12:31] <dholbach> yeah!
[12:31] <Jerub> I hate ant.
[12:31] <jbailey> dholbach: Are thye packages that just blindly use ant?
[12:31] <Jerub> :((
[12:31] <jbailey> Like assuming that package name, or what's the bug?
[12:31] <jbailey> I thought that Jerry's packages were somewhat compatible with the old Debian way of doing things.
[12:31] <dholbach> jbailey: i review them briefly, try to build them, some have it in the build-depends
[12:32] <dholbach> jbailey: i update the pbuilder chroot to be sure
[12:32] <schweeb> ajmitch_: in Ubuntu? sure
[12:33] <dholbach> jbailey: forget what i said... thanks for the info
[12:33] <dholbach> ah now it wants  libbatik-java
[12:33] <ajmitch_> schweeb: nah, centos, a RHEL3 rebuild :(
[12:33] <dholbach> hrm
[12:34] <dholbach> well, i'll leave those tagged as FTBFS (Java) still
[12:43] <diamond> hum. oregano is fixed in debian's next version,
[12:44] <diamond> i.e., we're on oregano_0.40.0-2, they're up to -3
[12:44] <diamond> is it ok to pull in their changes?
[12:44] <schweeb> think you gotta ask elmo to sync it
[12:45] <diamond> ee. k
[12:45] <dholbach> diamond: set it on wiki/MOTUToSync so we don't forget
[12:45] <dholbach> ..., please :-)
[12:45] <diamond> dholbach: sure
[12:51] <dholbach> koke: which one?
[12:52] <koke> d4x
[12:52] <koke> it has been waiting for 3 days but I can't upload yet :(
[12:52] <dredg> i'd offer but i'm not sure of upload procedure for other people
[12:52] <dholbach> it's not on your site
[12:52] <dholbach> dredg: go ahead
[12:53] <dholbach> dredg: debuild -S (-sa if new source) -k<your mailadress>
[12:53] <koke> dholbach: uploading....
[12:53] <dredg> ah, excellent
[12:53] <dredg> dholbach: cheers
[12:53] <dholbach> dredg: http://www.amedias.org/~koke/debian/hoary/
[12:53] <dredg> diamond: has a bunch of things done which i'll happily upload also
[12:54] <dredg> i've reviewed some, i'd prefer if someone else took a glance at them as well though
[12:55] <dholbach> *grmbl* build-depends on emacs21
[12:55] <dholbach> happy downloading *again*
[12:55] <dredg> dholbach: are you on dialup?
[12:55] <dholbach> dredg: no, but i'm just downloading
[12:55] <schweeb> emacs is huge no matter what internet you're using :)
[12:55] <dholbach> didnt do anything else tonight :-)
[12:56] <dredg> s/huge/wrong/
[12:57] <dredg> s/internet//
[12:57] <dredg> :)
[12:58] <diamond> dredg: s/you're using//
[12:58] <diamond> for completeness' sake -)
[12:58] <schweeb> indeed
[12:58] <schweeb> emacs needs to branch into its own OS :)
[01:00] <diamond> schweeb: as they say, emacs would make a decent os, if only it had a good text editor
[01:00] <schweeb> heh
[01:19] <dholbach> elmo seems to be there
[01:19] <dholbach> request your syncs... now :-)
[01:19] <dholbach> ok pals, i'm off to bed
[01:20] <dholbach> good night
[01:21] <dredg> night
[01:29] <koke> dredg: have you uploaded d4x??
[01:30] <dredg> koke: sorry, yes
[01:30] <dredg> distracted by something else
[01:30] <koke> Subject: d4x_2.5.0rel-1ubuntu1_source.changes REJECTED
[01:30] <koke> have you received that mail?
[01:31] <dredg> no
[01:31] <schweeb> does it detail in the message why it's rejected?
[01:31] <koke> schweeb: yep
[01:31] <koke> Rejected: The key (0xBCD5AD90793F6B02) used to sign d4x_2.5.0rel-1ubuntu1.dsc wasn't found in the keyring(s).
[01:31] <koke> and also md5 sums don't match
[01:32] <schweeb> whose key is that? yours? apparently elmo doesn't have it in the keyring yet
[01:32] <koke> schweeb: I know :) but dredg has uploaded it, not me
[01:33] <schweeb> and you'll have to regenerate your source if the md5sums don't match
[01:33] <dredg> sorry, first upload for someone else
[01:33] <schweeb> that's bad juju
[01:33] <dredg> completely unsure of procedure
[01:33] <koke> pub  1024D/793F6B02 2003-11-01 Jorge Bernal (Koke<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:33] <koke> it seems it's mine
[01:33] <dredg> Checking Signature on .dsc
[01:33] <dredg> gpg: Signature made Fri 01 Apr 2005 00:10:03 IST using DSA key ID CB6E5CF7
[01:33] <schweeb> dredg: pretty sure dholbach always signs whatever I give him with his
[01:34] <dredg> i signed using CB6E5CF7. that's my key
[01:34] <dredg> that's the output from dput
[01:35] <koke> I've tried to upload it before, but that should have been "silently ignored" or accepted
[01:38] <schweeb> well, invalid key plus the md5sum mismatch probably generated the email... invalid key alone is silently ignored
[01:38] <dredg> right
[01:38] <dredg> lets try this again :)
[01:39] <dredg> niall@malkovich:~/dev/d4x(0)$ gpg d4x_2.5.0rel-1ubuntu1.dsc
[01:39] <dredg> gpg: d4x_2.5.0rel-1ubuntu1.dsc: unknown suffix
[01:39] <dredg> Enter new filename: /tmp/ss
[01:39] <dredg> gpg: Signature made Fri 01 Apr 2005 00:38:16 IST using DSA key ID CB6E5CF7
[01:39] <ogra> dredg, never upload a package twice
[01:39] <dredg> ogra: ag, yes
[01:39] <ogra> dredg, you need to bump the version number
[01:39] <dredg> ogra: well, it wasn't accepted?
[01:40] <ogra> yep, anyway....if elmo doesnt take it away and you dont bump the version it wont work...
[01:40] <dredg> ogra: right
[01:40] <dredg> koke: gonna bump the version
[01:40] <koke> dredg: I'm not sure if is so urgent ;)
[01:40] <dredg> koke: actually, you know what
[01:40] <dredg> i'm gonna hold off til tomorrow
[01:41] <koke> elmo is quite away now
[01:41] <dredg> i'll get elmo to nuke what's there and i'll poke dholbach for the actual howto :)
[01:41] <koke> "travelling back to Leeds - offline for several hours"
[01:41] <dredg> yes. he won't be back for some time
[01:41] <koke> dredg: yeah, a wiki page for uploaders :)
[01:42] <koke> dredg: do you know how much time??
[01:42] <ogra> dredg, you normally only have to run: debsign<EMAIL_ADDRESS>blah_0.1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:43] <dredg> koke: i'll be around for around 9am tomorrow morning (UTC+1)
[01:43] <ogra> then it asks for your passphrase twice and youre done...
[01:43] <dredg> elmo is in the same timezone
[01:43] <dredg> ogra: ah, ok. that seems v. straightforward
[01:44] <koke> dredg: if you see elmo before me, please remember him my key :P
[01:44] <dredg> i'll prod him gently
[01:44] <koke> :D
[01:44] <koke> thanks
[01:45] <dredg> was about to ask actually, you should be cleared to upload stuff at this stage
[01:45] <schweeb> koke: have you prodded mako to have him send elmo the key?
[01:45] <schweeb> mako's been pretty busy the last couple days, hence his lag in sending the key
[01:45] <koke> schweeb: mako told me elmo already has the key
[01:45] <schweeb> ah
[01:45] <koke> so I'm just a step away
[01:46] <koke> just after a week ;-)
[01:46] <dredg> heh, took me long enough too
[01:47] <dredg> it was acknowledged by elmo but didn't work. then i pinged him by mail and it started working after a day or 2
[02:44] <koke> bye
[02:44] <diamond> nite
[03:22] <diamond> woot. glunarclock fixed.
[03:52] <crimsun> mm
[03:52] <crimsun> XFce fun
[04:13] <tseng> jbailey around?
[04:45] <dredg> nn all
[04:45] <crimsun> ni dredg
[05:23] <jbailey> tseng: Am now.
[05:23] <tseng> hm nm
[05:23] <tseng> i had to go back to the old rules file anyway
[05:24] <tseng> i was trying vainly to make mono cdbs, but its too custom
[05:24] <tseng> not worth it.
[05:24] <jbailey> tseng: Well, if there's anything you think that could be done about it with cdbs2, lemme know.
[05:25] <tseng> im realizing there is alot of debhelper that i still dont know enough about
[05:27] <tseng> jbailey: basically its calling dh_gencontrol with custom args smack in the middle of a function
[05:27] <tseng> jbailey: i wanted to edit that bit w/o overriding the whole thing
[05:27] <jbailey> This is what you want, or this is what cdbs it doing wrong?
[05:27] <tseng> thats my ideal situation
[05:27] <tseng> but it sounds tricky
[05:27] <jbailey> Sometime when I'm really drunk, I'll get you to explain to me why.
[05:27] <tseng> k
[05:28] <tseng> its doing custom version munging
[05:28] <tseng> and passing it to dh_gencontrol
[05:37] <ajmitch_> nasty
[05:37] <diamond> guess how many times i have to change it, to be consistent?
[05:37] <diamond> 116
[05:37] <ajmitch_> > 50
[05:37] <ajmitch_> ouch
[05:38] <diamond> if it doesn't build now, i'm gonna be very upset
[05:38] <diamond> woo. it builds. -)
[05:38] <ajmitch_> yay
[05:38] <ajmitch_> svn is being crap
[05:38] <schweeb> hahahahhahaha
[05:38] <schweeb> hahaha
[05:38] <ajmitch_> works with my sid box as server,not with that other box...
[05:39] <ajmitch_> schweeb?
[05:39] <schweeb> go to http://planet.gnome.org and http://www.kdeplanet.org
[05:39] <schweeb> then realize what date it is :)
[05:39] <ajmitch_> :)
[05:45] <diamond> speak of the april's fool devil.
[05:46] <schweeb> heh
[05:47] <ajmitch_> that was a particularly boring one
[05:47] <ajmitch_> next thing you know a sarge release date will be announced..
[05:47] <diamond> hah
[05:50] <schweeb> ajmitch_: anyone but Branden please
[05:50] <diamond> c'mon freenods. at least do it right. -)
[05:50] <ajmitch_> you want johnathon walther? :)
[05:50] <schweeb> dunno much about  him
[05:51] <schweeb> but I'm not a real fan of Branden
[05:51] <schweeb> Matthew Garrett seems to be pretty good
[05:51] <ajmitch_> sure, we need to vote in the ubuntu cabal ;)
[05:57] <diamond> er. yes, freenode.
[05:58] <ajmitch_> now if only lilo would stop spamming us all...
[05:59] <zul> i think he has stopped or ill take a baseball/cricket/rounders bat to his cranium
[06:04] <schweeb> wow
[06:04] <schweeb> lilo is a giant douche.
[06:05] <schweeb> nice.
[06:05] <schweeb> look at his hostmask.
[06:05] <schweeb> he changed it to oftc.
[06:06] <schweeb> @_@
[06:06] <zul> schweeb: you learn quick ;)
[06:07] <schweeb> zul: I've known about lilo for over a year now, heh
[06:07] <schweeb> I think I figured out he was a moron the time I got the wall msg "attention everyone, I am eating a sandwich, it is good.  that is all"
[06:08] <zul> lol
[06:08] <schweeb> that was around the same time I was hanging out in #debian, and finding out mwilson is a giant douche as well
[06:09] <schweeb> I hear he's calmed down lately though.
[06:10] <crimsun> heh.  I put him on ignore years ago.
[06:10] <zul> schweeb: never heard of him
[06:10] <schweeb> zul: basically, n00bs would join #debian, thinking people are friendly. then mwilson flamed the hell out of them
[06:11] <schweeb> then they quit.
[06:11] <zul> heh
[06:11] <schweeb> and most likely went to another distro.
[06:11] <zul> #gentoo-dev is moderated so users cant talk to developers
[06:12] <schweeb> well
[06:12] <schweeb> it's nice having an open development process all around
[06:12] <zul> so anyone without a voice or an op cant say anything
[06:13] <schweeb> makes the barrier to becoming a developer higher
[06:13] <zul> it wasnt anything special
[06:13] <zul> anyone who has a clue can become one if you pass a quix
[06:13] <zul> quiz
[06:14] <zul> anyways
[06:14] <schweeb> ah
[06:19] <crimsun> my goal is to have all those packages fixed, uploaded, and built 12 hours after elmo began syncing
[06:23] <diamond> right. 8 packages ready for review. that makes me ready for some sleep. nite folks
[06:24] <crimsun> good work!
[06:24] <crimsun> night
[07:33] <tritium> Hello...
[07:33] <crimsun> hey tritium :)
[07:33] <tritium> how are you, crimsun?
[07:36] <crimsun> not bad, yourself?
[07:36] <crimsun> ripping as fast as I can through these Xfce packages
[07:36] <tritium> not bad, thanks. Just got back from Indy.
[07:37] <crimsun> cool, how was it?
[07:37] <tritium> It was great.  We saw the Pacers vs. Heat.  Game went to overtime, Pacers won.
[07:39] <crimsun> nice
[08:04] <crimsun> bbl
[08:05] <tritium> see you
[09:01] <tritium> hi ajmitch :)
[09:02] <tritium> schweeb, what's going on with it?
[09:02] <schweeb> it's pretty sweet when your trackpad moves the cursor to one corner of the screen and it gets stuck there for a minute.
[09:03] <tritium> oh boy
[09:03] <schweeb> oh joy
[09:03] <schweeb> it just sent to the opposite corner
[09:04] <tritium> heh, and here I am running Dell diagnostics on my Latitude C840
[09:04] <schweeb> and now it works again
[09:04] <schweeb> I'm never buying another Dell
[09:04] <tritium> nor am I
[09:05] <tritium> but so far, none of the hardware tests have failed.  I guess I just really hosed up my filesystem badly.
[09:05] <schweeb> if I had purchasing power over our servers, I'd probably choose HP at this point... and Fujitsu or IBM (or whoever took over IBM laptops) for my laptopo
[09:05] <schweeb> and workstations, of course, gotta build those :)
[09:06] <schweeb> okay, bedtime
[09:06] <tritium> good night
[09:06] <schweeb> night
[09:12] <dholbach> hey
[09:12] <schweeb> you say hi, I say goodbye
[09:12] <dholbach> good night schweeb then
[09:13] <tritium> Hi dholbach :)
[09:13] <schweeb> dholbach: hint of the day - consider looking at the date before you read any news sites
[09:13] <dholbach> hey tritium
[09:14] <dholbach> schweeb: oh thanks... i'll bear it in mind
[09:14] <dholbach> diamond was quite busy :-)
[09:14] <schweeb> and I give my final goodnight now, time for sleep for real
[09:14] <dholbach> and crimsun as well :-)
[09:14] <dholbach> *wave after schweeb*
[09:14] <tritium> bye schweeb
[09:14] <dholbach> tritium: you're still awake :_)
[09:14] <dholbach> tritium: how was the match?
[09:14] <tritium> dholbach, yes, running diagnostics on my disk
[09:15] <tritium> dholbach, it was great.  a 3-point shot in the closing seconds took the game to overtime.
[09:15] <dholbach> WOW
[09:15] <tritium> How was your night?
[09:15] <dholbach> very silent... :-)
[09:15] <dholbach> started rebuilding apt-get.org
[09:16] <dholbach> erm... building
[09:16] <tritium> Wow.
[09:16] <tritium> All my hardware diagnostics are passing.  I guess I really messed up my filesystem...
[09:16] <tritium> maybe my little laptop can't handle all the pbuilding ;)
[09:17] <dholbach> unfortunately i'm no expert for filesystems - i guess i'm just good enough at hollering
[09:17] <tritium> :)
[09:18] <dholbach> oh now... i understood schweeb's hint of the day :-)
[09:18] <tritium> dholbach, can I take another look at your report draft?
[09:18] <dholbach> hahaha.... <---isnt awake yet
[09:18] <tritium> heh :)
[09:18] <dholbach> moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/motu-report
[09:18] <tritium> gracias
[09:20] <tritium> I'm happy with it.
[09:21] <tritium> ajmitch, I sent you a request earlier.  I'm not sure if you saw it.
[09:22] <ajmitch> yes, I saw it
[09:22] <dholbach> ajmitch: oh don't beat yourself up... you know it's not true
[09:22] <tritium> ajmitch, okay.  Just checking.  I hope it's not a bother to you.
[09:23] <ajmitch> dholbach: close enough, days like today are why I haven't
[09:23] <dholbach> don't beat yourself up :-)
[09:24] <ajmitch> tritium: I can try, perhaps tomorrow (for me)
[09:25] <tritium> ajmitch, thank you very much.  I'll understand if work keeps you too busy.
[09:29] <dholbach> tritium: looking at gourmet
[09:30] <tritium> dholbach, wow, thanks!
[09:30] <dholbach> 0ubuntu0 -> 0ubuntu1
[09:30] <tritium> I will fix that...
[09:31] <dholbach> it's because a possible debian -1 could supersede ours and we were able to sync theirs
[09:31] <tritium> I'm not sure why I did that...I know better.
[09:32] <dholbach> in control, you should drop the universe/ from what i see (section)
[09:33] <tritium> ok
[09:34] <dholbach> you used cdbs-edit-patch?
[09:34] <tritium> no, why do you ask?
[09:34] <tritium> I used simple-patchsys
[09:35] <dholbach> just so
[09:35] <dholbach> i saw you used cdbs and simple-patchsys
[09:35] <dholbach> cdbs-edit-patch would have been easy to use
[09:35] <tritium> I'm not familiar with that.
[09:35] <dholbach> it's charmingly easy
[09:35] <tritium> cool, I'll research it
[09:35] <dholbach> if you made the rules file use simple-patchsys and cdbs
[09:36] <dholbach> you just go   cdbs-edit-patch 01-patch-to-make-it-rock-again
[09:36] <dholbach> and you have kind of a subshell in which you can work on the patch
[09:36] <dholbach> then you go ctrl-d
[09:36] <tritium> interesting
[09:36] <dholbach> and the patch is done
[09:37] <tritium> this is the package where upstream has a debian directory for building his own binary .debs that he releases
[09:37] <tritium> I should probably split it out as ogra suggested
[09:37] <dholbach> dunno how
[09:37] <dholbach> remove it from the tarball?
[09:38] <tritium> not exactly sure, but I was planning on talking with upstream author about it
[09:38] <dholbach> yeah... it's not neat having it in, but i think integrity of the upstream release is more important
[09:38] <tritium> perhaps convince him to let me provide the debian directory stuff if the package gets approved for universe
[09:39] <dholbach> if they release crack, people should see that
[09:39] <tritium> I'm flexible.  ogra suggested it, so I thought I'd try it
[09:39] <dholbach> upstream simply shouldnt have that kind of stuff in
[09:39] <dholbach> reading diff.gz is horrible
[09:40] <tritium> upstream had all kinds of .ex files in debian dir that he hadn't even touched.
[09:40] <dholbach> i can imagine
[09:42] <Mithrandir> tritium: that's one of the reasons why having upstream provide packaging is bad.  They tend to do a bad job at it.
[09:42] <dholbach> that's the best you can convince them of
[09:43] <tritium> Mithrandir, I agree
[09:44] <dholbach> morning Mithrandir, morning doko :-)
[09:44] <Mithrandir> hi dholbach
[09:44] <ajmitch> sometimes you get lucky & have cvs/svn write access to upstream anyway
[09:45] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: sometimes, you get unluck and become upstream. ;)
[09:45] <dholbach> hehe
[09:45] <ajmitch> unfortunately :)
[09:46] <dholbach> tritium: rm debian/*.{EX,ex} :-)
[09:47] <tritium> dholbach, :)
[09:47] <dholbach> remove usr/sbin from dirs
[09:48] <dholbach> morning d3vic3
[09:49] <d3vic3> morning dholbach
[09:49] <dholbach> tritium: you can just remove the stuff, you shouldnt need a patch for it (patches/debian.patch)
[09:50] <tritium> dholbach, I tried that, but it doesn't work.  When the diff gets made, it ignores deleted files, and they end up back in the package again.
[09:50] <dholbach> arg
[09:50] <dholbach> yes
[09:50] <dholbach> *shudder*
[09:51] <dholbach> yes... understood
[09:51] <tritium> So I tried to work around it that way.  Probably not the most elegant solution, but I didn't know what else to do.
[09:52] <tritium> ajmitch, did it work?
[09:52] <dholbach> tritium: but the program itself looks nice :-)
[09:52] <ajmitch> sure
[09:52] <doko> dholbach: morning
[09:52] <tritium> dholbach, thanks
[09:52] <dholbach> if i was more into documenting recipes... :_)
[09:52] <dholbach> :-)
[09:52] <tritium> recipes seem to be quite the rage on planet.debian.net
[09:53] <tritium> at least for a while there
[09:53] <dholbach> yeah... :-)
[09:54] <tritium> well, my wife asked me to install that software, so I just decided to package them
[09:55] <ajmitch> heh
[09:55] <dholbach> tritium: that's nice of you
[09:56] <tritium> heh, thanks
[09:57] <dholbach> apart from that: looks ok
[09:57] <tritium> that being the version number and the section?
[09:57] <dholbach> as long as upstream has debian/ in you could remove all the .ex,.EX in the patch as well
[09:58] <dholbach> so people know you don't want to have anything to do with it
[09:58] <tritium> that's probably a good idea, yes
[09:58] <tritium> I don't want people to think I put that in there ;)
[09:59] <tritium> Given the time, I think I'll fix it tomorrow.  My diagnostics just finished up (zero errors), so I'll get a few hours sleep.
[10:00] <dholbach> yeah... you should get some rest :-)
[10:00] <tritium> I have a meeting all morning, so I'll see you after about 10 hours if you're still around then :)
[10:01] <tritium> good night everyone
[10:01] <dholbach> good night
[10:01] <dholbach> tritium: i think so :-)
[10:01] <tritium> :)
[10:40] <jani> morning
[10:40] <dholbach> hey jani
[10:41] <jani> do you guys see xfce4.2 in ubuntu ?
[10:41] <dholbach> quite some new packages, but not all yet
[10:42] <jani> hmm I wonder if they are being uploaded now
[10:43] <jani> no they're not on the list I wonder why
[10:43] <jani> I suppose it was crimsun's mail that elmo added to the package changer
[11:33] <crimsun> jani: my email address is one of those that the spam filter for hoary-changes catches
[11:33] <jani> crimsun mine too :)
[11:33] <jani> just going to ask elmo to change mine
[11:33] <jani> btw thanks, for your great work dso far
[11:34] <crimsun> np
[11:34] <jani> hope I'll get to help out tonight when I get home
[11:34] <cowbud> ahh any info on getting in to the ubuntu security clan?
[11:34] <crimsun> oh don't worry, you will, jani :)
[11:34] <cowbud> now that people are awake..
[11:34] <jani> crimsun ;)
[11:34] <crimsun> jani: there are ~200 packages to check.
[11:34] <jani> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:34] <jani> rgh
[11:34] <jani> cool
[11:34] <crimsun> indeed
[11:35] <dholbach> crimsun: don't complain... i'm building apt-get.org :-)
[11:35] <dholbach> cowbud: the teams are just building, so it requires a bit of your involvement
[11:35] <jani> some packages are going to multiverse?
[11:35] <crimsun> dholbach: oh I'm not at all complaining
[11:35] <crimsun> dholbach: :)
[11:35] <dholbach> crimsun: :-)
[11:35] <cowbud> dholbach: so how can I get involved I am interested..
[11:35] <jani> i didn't know about exo having nonfree license
[11:36] <dholbach> cowbud: if you're interested and meet people that are interested too, you can make things happen
[11:36] <cowbud> I couldn't find any concrete information on helping out in that area..
[11:36] <jani> cowbud, pitti is the main security guy
[11:36] <dholbach> cowbud: you have to make up the information yourself - you could write your ideas and plans on the MOTUSecurity page and mail to ubuntu-devel@ to see who'd like to join you
[11:37] <dholbach> cowbud: it's the very pioneer feeling :-)
[11:37] <cowbud> dholbach: I was assuming there was already some sort of direction for ubuntu..
[11:37] <cowbud> apparently :)
[11:37] <dholbach> can you feel it? :-)
[11:37] <cowbud> ohh I can
[11:37] <dholbach> oh ROCK
[11:37] <dholbach> :-)
[11:37] <cowbud> jani: thanks for the name..
[11:38] <dholbach> MOTUTeams and MOTUSecurity might be the pages you could work on
[11:38] <cowbud> dholbach: cool thanks
[11:38] <dholbach> we need ideas, plans and visions in the first place
[11:38] <dholbach> if there is documentation or an idea things tend to happen
[11:38] <dholbach> that's the magic thing about the MOTU world :-)
[12:41] <dholbach> any comments on  http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/motu-report/05-03-motu-report.html ? anything/anyone i forgot? will send it off in 2-3 hours
[12:51] <dholbach> hey koke
[01:13] <dholbach> hihi: http://www.planetarytramp.net/background.jpg
[01:14] <dredg> i recognise sabdfl. who are the others?
[01:14] <dholbach> elmo and mdz
[01:14] <dredg> any idea which is which
[01:15] <dredg> (good photo)
[01:15] <dholbach> left is mdz
[01:15] <dholbach> will be the new gdm background
[01:15] <dredg> said dholbach on 1st April.
[01:15] <dredg> not buying :)
[01:15] <dholbach> said thom on #ubuntu-devel
[01:16] <dredg> not convinced :)
[01:20] <dholbach> dredg: start gdmflexiserver -n
[01:22] <cowbud> dredg: you happen to listen to the band?
[01:23] <dredg> cowbud: ?
[01:23] <cowbud> dredg: where did you get your name?
[01:31] <dholbach> dredg: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lifeguardasleep/ :-)
[01:32] <dredg> cowbud: no idea. came up with it a couple of years ago
[01:32] <dredg> dholbach: that's scary :)
[01:32] <dholbach> it ROCKS, i like it :-)
[01:32] <dredg> (and i note that it's an April 1st thing. i'm right, nyah :))
[01:33] <dredg> dholbach: is that your blog?
[01:33] <dholbach> yep
[01:34] <dredg> :)
[01:34] <tseng> its on planet.
[01:34] <dholbach> dredg: it's on planet.ubuntu
[01:34] <dredg> right. duh.
[01:34] <dholbach> dredg: you should have jdub add yours as well
[01:35] <dredg> some of my rants are not really fit for public consumption :)
[01:36] <cowbud> dredg: well it is a band and they are good check them out :)
[01:37] <dredg> cowbud: ok. cheers
[01:38] <cowbud> :)
[01:40] <siretart> hi folks!
[01:40] <dholbach> hey siretart
[01:40] <dholbach> how was your exam?
[01:41] <siretart> dholbach: it was very well! much better than expected! :)
[01:41] <dholbach> WOOHOO!
[01:41] <siretart> had to party yesterday! :)
[01:41] <dholbach> :-))))
[01:42] <siretart> say, does anybody know if theres something wrong with the wiki? I cannot login (password wrong)
[01:42] <dholbach> siretart: somebody complained already
[01:42] <siretart> I'm quite sure that the password is right, since I'm using a password manager..
[01:42] <siretart> ah, ok
[01:46] <dholbach> the sun is shining, the wiki is broken, so... i'll be a bit out...  :-)
[01:46] <siretart> ah, bugzilla seems to be fine..
[01:46] <siretart> dholbach: have fun outside! *wave*
[01:46] <dholbach> *wave back*
[01:59] <diamond> morning
[02:11] <siretart> hi diamond
[02:25] <diamond> oh that's weird. the wiki decided this morning that my username/password is no longer valid.
[02:26] <siretart> diamond: same here
[02:26] <diamond> and before you scream 'typo', firefox remembers it for me, and it's worked fine for the previous few days, and i double checked that it had the correct passwor
[02:26] <diamond> siretart: ah. so it's not just me
[02:26] <siretart> dholbach saud earlier that someone else already reported it
[02:26] <siretart> s/saud/said/
[02:28] <diamond> guh. reset my password, still can't login.
[02:48] <dredg> http://planet.debian.org/
[02:48] <dredg> ubuntu 0wns you. :)
[02:50] <d3vic3> heheh
[03:41] <koke> I have some gpg doubts, I want to delete some uids, but I have all the signatures on those uids
[03:41] <koke> is there any way to "edit" the uids?
[03:43] <siretart> koke: you cannot "delete" uids from your public keys. you can only revoke them
[03:43] <koke> siretart: I've done gpg --edit-key and deluid some of them...
[03:44] <siretart> koke: try to reimport your public key
[03:44] <koke> ouch!
[03:44] <siretart> koke: this works only as long you didn't publish them
[04:00] <koke> dholbach: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lifeguardasleep/22249.html <-- rotfl
[04:01] <zul> hehe
[04:02] <schweeb> haha
[04:02] <schweeb> that rocks
[04:02] <ogra> yeah, we have to log in to elmos belly :)
[04:03] <schweeb> who are the other 2 guys?
[04:03] <ogra> mdz and sabdfl
[04:04] <schweeb> mdz on the left or right?
[04:04] <dholbach> right
[04:04] <dholbach> ehh left
[04:05] <ogra> sabdfl, is the little bird crying for food ;)
[04:05] <ogra> whoops
[04:05] <ogra> silly autocompletion...
[04:08] <schweeb> bbl
[04:08] <dholbach> bye schweeb
[04:13] <dholbach> see you later
[04:17] <bddebian> Good morning
[04:18] <jbailey> ajmitch: Wow, you hacked cdbs?  You truly are insane, aren't you?
[04:19] <bddebian> hehe
[04:43] <bddebian> Heya Boilermaker
[04:43] <bddebian> ;-)
[04:43] <tritium> hey bddebian :)
[05:01] <Lathiat> hmm xfce4 is uninstallable
[05:01] <Lathiat> due to new versions with different package names that replaces: the old ones, hrm
[05:10] <crimsun> Lathiat: it's not finished being recompiled
[05:14] <Lathiat> crimsun: ah
[05:15] <crimsun> jani and I are working through ~200 Xfce 4.2.1 packages
[05:18] <Lathiat> crimsun: have fun with that :)
[05:18] <crimsun> Lathiat: O:-)
[05:18] <siretart> any news about the wiki?
[05:19] <Lathiat> whats wrong with it?
[05:19] <Lathiat> crimsun: if i can help by testing or something let me know :)
[05:19] <siretart> Lathiat: I cannot login anymore, several others too
[05:19] <crimsun> siretart: situation still the same
[05:19] <siretart> :(
[05:19] <Lathiat> oh
[05:19] <bddebian> SNAFU?
[05:20] <Lathiat> siretart: all i can say
[05:20] <Lathiat> siretart: is when its working, its fixed :)
[05:35] <diamond> re
[05:36] <siretart> ah, wiki repaired! :)
[05:36] <diamond> yeah? excellent
[05:37] <bddebian> wb diamond
[05:37] <diamond> lo bddebian
[05:37] <diamond> did i miss anything exciting? -)
[05:38] <bddebian> Nope
[05:49] <crimsun> Xfce 4.2.1 core transition complete.
[05:49] <diamond> crimsun: nice work
[05:49] <crimsun> the 'xfce4' package should be installable in 65 minutes.
[05:49] <Lathiat> woo :)
[05:50] <Lathiat> Anyone here going to linux.conf.au ?
[05:50] <crimsun> off to class.
[05:50] <crimsun> bye *
[05:50] <ogra> ciao
[06:01] <schweeb> hahahaha
[06:01] <schweeb> fleck found my blog post
[06:01] <schweeb> hahaha
[06:13] <siretart> bye folks!
[06:14] <diamond> nite siretart
[06:32] <diamond> dredg: *poke*
[06:33] <dredg> diamond: *recoil*
[06:33] <dredg> thanks, you're interrupting the hell that is making tomcat my bitch
[06:33] <diamond> dredg: hah. you said something about reviewing my packages today
[06:33] <diamond> dredg: ah. maybe i should leave you to your torment? -)
[06:34] <dredg> diamond: sure. when i finish work.
[06:34] <diamond> dredg: hurry up then ,-)
[06:34] <dredg> make me
[06:35] <dredg> er
[06:35] <dredg> i have your dvds her
[06:35] <dredg> e
[06:35] <diamond> dredg: yeah, but i still have all that data on fluff. -)
[06:35] <diamond> all 32dvd's worth of it. i really should clean that out a bit
[06:36] <dredg> is fluff down? or is ipv6 broken?
[06:37] <diamond> dredg: ipv6 is disabled on fluff due to a bug in the 2.6.10 kernel's ipv6 support, and debian hadn't packaged 2.6.11 last time i looked
[06:37] <dredg> is that the bug that hit it last week sometime?
[06:37] <diamond> dredg: aye, and a while before that too
[06:38] <dredg> right
[06:39] <dredg> you could always just grab a kernel src and make-kpkg it :)
[06:39] <diamond> dredg: tried that, failed
[06:39] <dredg> you failed, the kernel failed or make-kpkg failed?
[06:39] <dredg> (implied 'which'?)
[06:40] <diamond> the kernel failed
[06:40] <diamond> wouldn't boot properly
[06:40] <diamond> don't remember what the issue was
[06:40] <diamond> i haven't build a kernel manually in a long time. that's soooo pre-proper-packages -)
[06:41] <diamond> *built
[07:06] <diamond> lo tritium
[07:06] <tritium> hi diamond :)
[07:08] <dredg> good evening boys and girls
[07:08] <bddebian> Heya dredg
[07:09] <dredg> hey bddebian
[07:11] <dredg> diamond: your packages on bob?
[07:11] <diamond> dredg: yeah
[07:11] <diamond> dredg: ~diamond/public_html/packages
[07:11] <dredg> great. i prefer scp to wget
[07:12] <diamond> rsync+ssh>>scp>>wget -)
[07:12] <Lathiat> hehe
[07:13] <dredg> is bob ipv6?
[07:13] <dredg> yes
[07:13] <dredg> ok
[07:13] <diamond> dredg: yeah, via sixxs+heanet
[07:17] <dredg> geda-gschem looks good
[07:18] <diamond> dredg: caused so. much. pain.
[07:19] <diamond> dredg: i cannot stress how much.
[07:19] <dredg> hey bdale
[07:19] <bdale> I just hacked together a wrapper script for tuxracer to make sound work, motivated by tuxracer and esd not playing well together in hoary.  anyone care?
[07:20] <dredg> bdale: not a gamer personally, but i reckon someone might appreciate it
[07:20] <Lathiat> bdale: using esd or polypaudio ?
[07:20] <bdale> Lathiat: I killall esd, run tuxracer, then relaunch esd wrapped with some mute and unmute calls since it makes a nasty series of tones on re-launch on the tc1100
[07:21] <bdale> Lathiat: the only reason I'm touching this is that my daughter needs something to use for her talk at LCA...
[07:21] <Lathiat> eww that sounds ugly :\
[07:21] <dredg> that sounds positively evil
[07:21] <Lathiat> bdale: yeh i figured as such :)
[07:21] <Lathiat> i was about to ask
[07:21] <Lathiat> heh
[07:21] <bdale> ... and she'd much rather drive the gimp with a stylus than a mouse...
[07:23] <dredg> diamond: yeah, your patches look like much pain :-/
[07:23] <bdale> it's no big deal, just thought I'd offer up the ugly little script if anyone wants it.  fixing tuxracer to play nicely with esd would be a better general solution, I guess, but I'm not interested in learning anything about esd today.
[07:23] <diamond> dredg: lucky me eh? -)
[07:23] <Lathiat> bdale: ooc, see if the issue happens with polypaudio?
[07:23] <Lathiat> or send it to me and i'll find out :)
[07:23] <bdale> Lathiat: what the hell is that?
[07:23] <dredg> bdale: proposed replacement for esd
[07:23] <Lathiat> bdale: new sound server that includes an esd emulation mode
[07:24] <bdale> aha
[07:24] <Lathiat> it works nice
[07:24] <dredg> it was problematic though, so esd has been munged back in iirc
[07:24] <Lathiat> however upstream seems to have stagnated a bit
[07:24] <schweeb> yes
[07:24] <Lathiat> so ubuntu have reverted toesd
[07:24] <schweeb> esd is back in
[07:24] <Lathiat> bah dredg just said that :)
[07:24] <bdale> frankly, I don't have time today.  to reproduce on this machine, all you have to do is install and run tuxracer, and it'll complain that it can't do audio because no device is available
[07:24] <Lathiat> bdale: just send me the script and i'll have a look :)
[07:24] <Lathiat> bdale: lathiat at bur.st
[07:25] <bdale> Lathiat: sent
[07:25] <Lathiat> thanks
[07:25] <Lathiat> see you in two weeks :)
[07:25] <dredg> diamond: uploaded
[07:25] <bdale> Lathiat: not if I see you first...  ;-)
[07:25] <Lathiat> bdale: ha ha :)
[07:25] <diamond> dredg: woo. thanks.
[07:25] <Lathiat><EMAIL_ADDRESS>nice email address there :)
[07:25] <bdale> Lathiat: looking forward to it, but I've got another biz trip this coming week, so it's not next in queue yet
[07:26] <Lathiat> bdale: ah
[07:26] <dredg> diamond: you should get an acknowledgement mail
[07:26] <Lathiat> i have to try and get an avahi release crammed out the door before LCA
[07:26] <bdale> Lathiat: bone-stock hoary-rc install on an HP tc1100, the fact that it works at all...
[07:26] <Lathiat> so i can jump up and down about it
[08:01] <herve> evening!
[08:01] <diamond> lo herve
[08:01] <ogra> hi herve
[08:06] <bddebian> Heya herve
[08:24] <jani> hello all
[08:24] <bddebian> Heya janc
[08:24] <bddebian> Err jani even..
[08:24] <jani> hello bddebian
[08:25] <herve> hi jani
[08:25] <jani> any MOTU up to reviewing NVU ?
[08:25] <jani> I already did so 2 more needed, it's a NEW package
[08:26] <herve> is it the same intented to package into debian?
[08:27] <ogra> jani, add it to the NEW packages list for review on the wiki
[08:28] <jani> herve, dunno he mailed the debian bug list already
[08:28] <jani> ogra, done it already ;)
[08:28] <ogra> jani, great
[08:28] <jani> dredg around?
[08:32] <jani> crimsun ping
[08:33] <dredg> jani: hey
[08:33] <jani> dredg I wanted to ask about modcon
[08:33] <jani> why you don't upload it but then realized
[08:33] <jani> it's NEW
[08:34] <dredg> modcon?
[08:34] <jani> I wanted to review it also but it needs linux-source (big download) so pass :(
[08:34] <jani> modconf :)
[08:34] <dredg> oh, right
[08:34] <dredg> it builds
[08:35] <dredg> i just refuse to upload it as is until it's been checked out
[08:35] <jani> checked out?
[08:35] <dredg> reviewed
[08:35] <jani> aha by 3 motus
[08:35] <dredg> i don't mind
[08:35] <ogra> jai its not NEW
[08:35] <ogra> jani even
[08:36] <dredg> it's just that it's modconf - i'd like some people to verify that what i did is sane and ok
[08:36] <ogra> modconf was also in warty and is in debian
[08:36] <jani> ogra, apt-cache search modconf does not show it to me
[08:36] <dredg> jani: that's cos it won't build
[08:36] <dredg> apt-cache showsrc modconf
[08:36] <jani> aha got it now
[08:36] <ogra> dredg, it would be nice if Kamion or fabbionne could review it....they are most experienced
[08:37] <dredg> ogra: yes, i'd prefer that. i'll annoy them when they're not as busy
[08:37] <ogra> jani, its on the priority list, there are no NEW packages there ;)
[08:37] <ogra> dredg, yep
[08:37] <dredg> i hate april fools day.
[08:37] <ogra> dredg, thanks for taking this ugly task :)
[08:37] <jani> ogra, right I was confused, I thought apt-cache show shows everything
[08:38] <dredg> well, i like it
[08:38] <dredg> i just hate it cos of the garbage that floods sites
[08:38] <ogra> jani, always use showsrc if you are in OTU mode ;)
[08:38] <dredg> some of it was clever - planetkde and gnome switching places was fun
[08:38] <ogra> MOTU even
[08:38] <jani> ogra, noted :)
[08:38] <dredg> the junk that slashdot's frontpage gets swamped with is laughable
[08:39] <jani> dredg, but that's not only april 1st ;)
[08:39] <dredg> ogra: it wasn't that bad - someone had made modconf aware of 2.6. all i did was add a bit that will automatically untar a kernel source tarball to somewhere sane and clean it up afterwards
[08:40] <zul> hmm?
[08:40] <ogra> ah, ok, does it really _need_ the untarred source ?
[08:41] <ogra> or would it be solvable with a debconf question and leave it unconfigured for later usage....
[08:42] <ogra> i really wouldnt like my system to suddenly untar 80MB or more becuse i installed modconf by accident....
[08:42] <ogra> (i'm sometimes at the edge of my partitionspace..... a disk overflow is quite bad)
[08:43] <dredg> this is at build time
[08:43] <dredg> not install time
[08:43] <ogra> ah, ok
[08:43] <diamond> dredg: hum. i'm suspicious. it can't just get away with kernel-headers?
[08:43] <diamond> s/kernel/linux/..
[08:43] <dredg> diamond: headers don't contain makefiles
[08:44] <dredg> it's voodoo perl as well btw
[08:44] <Lathiat> bdale: ping
[08:44] <ogra> then it sounds sane to me, as long as our build masters have no objection.....does this add afixed dependency on the kernel version ?
[08:44] <dredg> ogra: no it doesn't
[08:44] <diamond> dredg: ah. ick
[08:44] <ogra> ah, good
[08:44] <ogra> zul, anything from the kernel team about that ?
[08:59] <diamond> right, nite folks
[09:00] <bddebian> Gnight
[09:00] <dredg> night diamond
[09:00] <ogra> night
[09:06] <zul> ogra: hmm?
[09:06] <ogra> zul, modconf...
[09:07] <zul> what about it?
[09:07] <zul> :)
[09:08] <ogra> have you seen dredgs solution ? does it sound ok to you ?
[09:08] <schweeb> ogra: quick bugreport on hwdb... only works w/ ESD running :)
[09:08] <ogra> schweeb, thats wanted :)
[09:09] <schweeb> meh
[09:09] <schweeb> esd is teh sux0r
[09:09] <schweeb> are you using GST to play the sounds?
[09:09] <ogra> schweeb, i want to know if system sounds work, so i use gnome_sound_play
[09:09] <zul> ogra: ill take a look if someone can point me to it
[09:09] <ogra> whatever this used will also be used by the test
[09:09] <schweeb> ah
[09:10] <schweeb> so it either uses ESD or nothing
[09:10] <ogra> dredg, where is your source package of modconf ?
[09:10] <ogra> zul^
[09:10] <zul> it probably wont be until i get home from work tonight though
[09:10] <ogra> schweeb, yes, as your desktop sounds do :)
[09:11] <ogra> zul, we just want someone with a bit kernel experience to review it....
[09:11] <zul> sure no probs
[09:12] <zul> brb though
[09:13] <dredg> grab it from here: http://niall.evil.ie/wip/modconf/
[09:14] <dredg> the ubuntu1 is my (very slight) mod
[09:14] <dredg> it's just to make it build - once built it does work as expected
[09:18] <zul> dredg: cool ill have a look when i get home tonight
[09:22] <dredg> no worries
[09:22] <dredg> ok, shattered
[09:22] <dredg> can't survive on 4hrs sleep/night
[09:31] <Treenaks> argh, *need to report loads of X bugs*
[09:48] <bdale> Lathiat: pong
[09:59] <Lathiat> bdale: sent you an email
[10:08] <bdale> Lathiat: ah, thanks
[10:08] <Lathiat> bdale: :)
[10:10] <Lathiat> theyre rather annoying when your speakers are turned up too loud
[10:12] <bdale> Lathiat: agreed
[10:20] <bddebian> Sorry to ask but any of you know much about qt-x11-free?
[10:20] <herve> yoohoo!
[10:20] <bddebian> ?
[10:20] <herve> I've just seen launchpad is officially launched!
[10:20] <bddebian> Oh, cool
[10:21] <Treenaks> *sigh*.. I get a new laptop, native resolution not supported by default
[10:21] <Treenaks> had to hand-edit xorg.conf :(
[10:21] <herve> Treenaks, bearable, mine heats too much
[10:22] <Lathiat> Treenaks: what resolution?
[10:22] <Treenaks> Lathiat: 1280x800 (1200x800 is supported.. see #8509)
[10:22] <Treenaks> herve: hm, heat stuff works fine here
[10:23] <ogra> Treenaks, nine runs fine with that res.
[10:23] <Lathiat> not a dell inspiron 8600 by any chance? :)
[10:23] <Treenaks> herve: but battery status seems unsupported :(
[10:23] <Lathiat> s/8600/700m
[10:23] <herve> I think this dell is just bad designed
[10:23] <Treenaks> ogra: it /runs/ fine, it just doesn't detect it correctly, and you can't select it from the list in dpkg-reconfigure
[10:23] <Lathiat> i8k module gives more acpi stuff
[10:23] <herve> Treenaks, sounds like acpi table to patch
[10:23] <Lathiat> on dells
[10:23] <Treenaks> herve: yes :(
[10:23] <Lathiat> modprobe i8k force=1
[10:23] <Treenaks> it's not a dell, it's an Acer
[10:23] <ogra> Treenaks, in the Monitor section ? or at the supported res. section ?
[10:23] <Lathiat> ah ok
[10:24] <herve> Treenaks, it's easy though, the patch is already in the ubuntu kernel
[10:24] <Treenaks> ogra: both
[10:24] <herve> just a magic key and a file to append to the initrd
[10:24] <Treenaks> oh that
[10:24] <Treenaks> but where do I find a fixed dsdt?
[10:24] <herve> acpi.sf.net
[10:24] <herve> see dsdt on the left
[10:24] <ogra> Treenaks, oh, i have it on the resolution selection, but its missing in the second list
[10:24] <herve> but you'll need to compile the asl file
[10:25] <herve> intel provides a compiler for it but I can't compile it ;-)
[10:25] <ogra> Treenaks, ati or nvidia ?
[10:25] <herve> so I use the windows binary
[10:25] <Treenaks> ogra: ati
[10:25] <ogra> ouch
[10:25] <Treenaks> works fine
[10:25] <Treenaks> even 3d/dri works
[10:25] <Treenaks> out of the box!
[10:26] <herve> although it works better when the card is inside ;-)
[10:26] <ogra> but your resolution doesnt ;-P
[10:26] <Treenaks> (too bad my clean install now has Elmo, mdz and sabdfl on the gdm screen, but hey)
[10:26] <herve> lol
[10:26] <ogra> Treenaks, i know daniels is on it currently....(the widescreen stuff)
[10:26] <Treenaks> ogra: oh, not the gdm login image stuff :P
[10:27] <ogra> Treenaks, i know.... i refuse to log into elmos belly :) just have seen the screnshots everywhere
[10:28] <Treenaks> ogra: :P
[10:28] <Treenaks> but I really love widescreen
[10:28] <ogra> yeah
[10:28] <herve> but no ubuntu calendar this month?
[10:28] <Treenaks> terminal AND BROWSER
[10:28] <ogra> its cool
[10:29] <ogra> herve, be patient....
[10:29] <herve> I can't :-p
[10:29] <Treenaks> ogra: http://www.tic-ohz.de/~fabiand/stuff/gdm/gdm-pixel_girl.tar.bz2
[10:29] <Treenaks> (http://www.tic-ohz.de/~fabiand/stuff/gdm/screenshot_pixel_girl.jpg)
[10:29] <ogra> Treenaks, the question is, was it worth not going to UDU ?
[10:30] <Treenaks> ogra: not going to UDU is not a financial thing, it's a deadlines-at-work thing
[10:30] <Treenaks> ogra: I wish it was a money thing ;)
[10:30] <ogra> Treenaks, that picture is a bit older :) already seen it
[10:30] <ogra> heh
[10:30] <Treenaks> ogra: still, that's a belly you would like to login to :P
[10:30] <ogra> yeah
[10:31] <herve> I don't find her that old :-)
[10:31] <Treenaks> herve: old enough :P:
[10:32] <Treenaks> *shudder*
[10:32] <ogra> hehe
[10:32] <herve> ogra, I think you need to take some of those blue pills :-)
[10:32] <ogra> lol
[10:32] <bddebian> Hey, part of that picture is missing!! ;-)
[10:33] <Treenaks> herve: actually, he might need to take the whole bottle at once :P
[10:33] <herve> bddebian, it's free software, do it yourself :-p
[10:33] <ogra> bddebian, you mean the face ? ;-P
[10:33] <bddebian> ogra: Uhm, yeah, something like that.. :-)
[10:33] <ogra> heh
[10:34] <bddebian> Any of you know how to build qt-x11-free without firebird?
[10:34] <herve> ./configure --without-firebird ?
[10:34] <ogra> bddebian, probably #kubuntu-devel ?
[10:34] <bddebian> Nay :-(
[10:34] <ogra> (if there is such a channel)
[10:34] <bddebian> ogra: OK, I'll try there, thanks
[10:34] <bddebian> Ohh
[10:35] <ogra> else #kubuntu , but i dont know how many devs are there
[10:54] <dholbach> hellas!
[10:55] <dholbach> how are you all?
[10:55] <schweeb> tired
[10:56] <dholbach> me too
[10:56] <dholbach> had a charming thai dinner
[10:56] <dholbach> with a lovely girl
[10:56] <schweeb> nice
[10:56] <dholbach> now some black tea and i can go on with apt-get.org ;-)
[10:57] <dholbach> oh cool
[10:57] <dholbach> where?
[10:57] <schweeb> same place metallikop works
[10:57] <schweeb> EDS
[10:57] <dholbach> eds?
[10:57] <schweeb> big data processing place
[10:57] <schweeb> used to be part of GM
[10:58] <dholbach> ah ok
[10:58] <dholbach> did they say when you'll get answer?
[10:58] <schweeb> hopefully soon
[10:58] <dholbach> oh i hope all the best for you!
[10:58] <schweeb> it's a pretty pimp job, supposedly
[10:58] <schweeb> lots of $$$, easy
[10:58] <schweeb> and a work laptop
[10:59] <dholbach> oh nice
[10:59] <dredg> that reminds me
[10:59] <dholbach> so you won't have to move?
[10:59] <schweeb> well, not right away
[10:59] <schweeb> it's almost an hour away, so I'll move closer eventually
[11:00] <schweeb> but, hopefully, this'll give me more time to devote to Ubuntu interests
[11:01] <schweeb> I'll give more details as soon as I actually get the job :)
[11:01] <dredg> jbailey: what does the patch do?
[11:01] <dholbach> travelling to work/studies is really a big PITA
[11:01] <dredg> jbailey: i'm using lvm with sata on i386
[11:01] <schweeb> about everyone but sabdfl will be jealous at how sweet it is :D
[11:01] <dholbach> schweeb: be sure to tell us :-)
[11:09] <jbailey> dredg: I keeps md from conflicting with evms.
[11:09] <jbailey> dredg: It shouldn't touch lvm at all, but I'd rather not find out after I upload. =)
[11:09] <schweeb> COOLNESS
[11:09] <schweeb> dholbach: "I have not yet reviewed Chris's resume, but with both Aaron's and Gordon's
[11:09] <schweeb> recommendation, I am certain to interview him."
[11:09] <schweeb> <3 <3 <3
[11:09] <dholbach> WOWOWOWOW!!!
[11:10] <jbailey> schweeb: Grats. =)
[11:10] <schweeb> fastest. response. ever.
[11:11] <schweeb> I'm goin out tonight to get drunk!
[11:11] <dholbach> GRATULATION!
[11:11] <dholbach> :-)))
[11:11] <dredg> jbailey: right. i have this love of my data...
[11:12] <jbailey> dredg: Bah, so picky. =)
[11:13] <jbailey> dredg: The patch is a one line change that tells evms not to get in the way when building the initrd.
[11:13] <dredg> jbailey: yeah, i'm a complete wanker that way
[11:13] <dredg> send me the patch :)
[11:13] <dredg> apply patch, rebuild initrd, boot? yes?
[11:13] <jbailey> The worst that should be able to happen is that your system won't boot.  Keeping a copy of the old initrd.img should be enough for that.
[11:13] <jbailey> dredg: Add step of save backup initrd, but yes.
[11:14] <dredg> jbailey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:14] <dredg> gimme!
[11:15] <jbailey> 'kay, will email it.
[11:15] <dredg> don't matter
[11:15] <dredg> i'll cnp
[11:16] <jbailey> dredg: Cool.  It applies to /usr/share/initrd-tools/probe.d
[11:16] <jbailey>  /evms
[11:19] <dredg> actually i've a new kernel waiting to upgrade
[11:20] <dredg> i'll squirrel away a copy of the initrd
[11:20] <dredg> then test your patch
[11:20] <dredg> it looks utterly safe though
[11:22] <jbailey> dredg: Right.  But this is still a bad time in the release cycle to find out that it's not somehow. =)
[11:22] <jbailey> FWIW it boots my i386 ia32 system fine.
[11:22] <jbailey> I should figure out lvm enough one day to have a test system with it.
[11:22] <jbailey> Maybe when I replace the laptop.
[11:23] <dredg> lvm++
[11:24] <jbailey> So I've heard.  I played a bit with evms yesterday, and it looked lovely until it ate my partition table.
[11:24] <herve> good night all, see you later
[11:24] <dredg> i've not used evms
[11:24] <jbailey> Don't use it on ppc, apparently. =)
[11:24] <dredg> heh ok
[11:25] <jbailey> Aside from that, it does make for a neatish way of doing volume maps, snapshots, standby partitions and all that.
[11:28] <crimsun> jani: pong
[11:34] <dredg> my mp3s :(
[11:34] <jbailey> dredg: Eh?
[11:34] <dredg> nothing :)
[11:34] <jbailey> Oh good.
[11:34] <dredg> worked fine
[11:34] <jbailey> You /quit message reminds me of my favourite almost-Nietzsche quote:
[11:35] <jbailey> "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
[11:35] <dredg> nice
[11:35] <dredg> i shall quote that to my girlfriend
[11:35] <bddebian> heh
[11:36] <jbailey> dredg: *lol*
[11:36] <jbailey> dredg: You should know that Matt Groening made it up then and attributed it to Nietzsche. =)
[11:36] <dredg> hahahahaha
[11:36] <dredg> brilliant
[11:37] <dredg> Groening is some funny man
[11:37] <jani> crimsun
[11:37] <crimsun> jani: hi
[11:37] <jani> I am working on th ebroken plugin packages
[11:37] <jani> hi :)
[11:37] <crimsun> jani: ok.
[11:37] <crimsun> jani: 'xfce4' is installable now. :-)
[11:38] <jani> too bad both of us have spamlike email addresses so we do not know what the other uploads
[11:38] <jani> yup I installed it :)
[11:38] <jani> thanks btw great and fast work, hurray!
[11:38] <crimsun> ok, I'll create a new section on MOTUXfce
[11:38] <jani> I tried xfld-desktop and that won't go
[11:38] <jani> btw did exo not get pulled in?
[11:38] <crimsun> right, I think we should rebuild meta-xfce4 and strip those two xfld* binaries
[11:39] <jani> yup
[11:39] <crimsun> exo should be in multiverse
[11:39] <jani> but anyway the plugins do not build because of missing libgtk-dev in Bd: so I am updating those
[11:39] <jani> with a script :)
[11:39] <crimsun> great
[11:41] <crimsun> ah, I see exo hasn't made it in yet
[11:41] <crimsun> I'll go ahead and rebuild meta-xfce4 and remove the xfld* packages
[11:42] <jbailey> dredg: Anyhow, thanks for the test, I'll upload it now then.
[11:44] <schweeb> did anyone else notice my debacle with Fleck on planet GNOME?
[11:45] <dredg> schweeb: no?
[11:45] <dholbach> you're on planet gnome?
[11:45] <dredg> jbailey: np
[11:46] <schweeb> dredg: no
[11:46] <schweeb> Fleck is though :)
[11:47] <schweeb> we changed planet arslinux into Fleck Planet for the day
[11:47] <schweeb> and I copied an pasted one of his posts into my blog
[11:47] <schweeb> and someone linked him to it
[11:47] <jani> yup the xfce-XX-plugin packs start showing up on lamonts log as successful :) cool
[11:47] <schweeb> he got all upset cause I plagiarised
[11:47] <jani> I jsut uploaded a dozen of them
[11:47] <schweeb> didn't understand it was all an April Fool's day joke
[11:47] <crimsun> jani: rockin'
[11:48] <schweeb> http://www.schweeb.org/blog/ and http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/
[11:48] <schweeb> too bad he removed his first post after I apologized :-/
[11:50] <jani> scweeb is EDS that company with that cat herding commercial? :)
[11:50] <jani> than you got a tough job ahead of you
[11:50] <jani> schweeb ^^
[11:50] <dholbach> i think he's really funny and people that accuse him of not-blogging-about-gnome are lame :-)
[11:50] <schweeb> jani: yes
[11:51] <jani> nice
[11:51] <schweeb> I'd be working at Chrysler though
[11:53] <hsprang> hy alltogether
[11:56] <crimsun> back later.


[00:53] <elmo>                       1.6T  1.6T  408M 100% /srv
[00:54] <elmo> cjwatson: slangasek ogra Riddell ^--
[00:54] <elmo> (antimony)
[02:47] <NCommander> elmo: I'm looking at antimony right now
[03:03] <ScottK> Once that's solved, it would also be appreciated if someone would respin Kubuntu powerpc live.
[03:10] <highvoltage> And a respin of Edubuntu too please (which seems to have, in part at least, caused the low space problem :))
[05:25] <NCommander> highvoltage: ScottK: will do, although I'm not quite sure what became a runaway bloated wreck
[05:27] <NCommander> Looks like the problem is images aren't getting properly purged ...
[06:11] <pitti> Good morning
[06:12] <pitti> uh
[06:12] <pitti> I'll clean up antimony a bit
[06:13] <pitti> /dev/cciss/c1d0p1      65G  8.6G   56G  14% /
[06:13] <pitti> hmm
[06:14] <pitti> oh, /srv
[06:23] <NCommander> pitti: yeah, its not pretty. I have some idea of things that can be deleted, but it just looks like we plain ran out of disk space :-/
[06:23] <pitti> I cleaned up logs, and I am currently cleaning scratch/
[06:24] <NCommander> pitti: ah, yeah, I wanted to talk to some people before I started deleting stuff :-)
[06:27] <pitti> but there were no old images indeed
[06:27] <pitti> there is one RT pending to archive the old maverick alpha-1 images
[06:27] <pitti> and I'll need to move the alpha-2 ones to old-images/, too, and have them archived
[06:27] <pitti> elmo: ^ FYI
[06:29]  * pitti hopes that scratch/*/*/tmp/* is really temporary enough to be able to wipe it, but looks like it
[06:29] <pitti> it has tons of lucid-src etc.
[06:29] <pitti>                       1.6T  1.5T   83G  95% /srv
[06:29] <pitti> there, slightly better
[06:30]  * pitti reruns edubuntu dvds
[06:31] <pitti> highvoltage: argh
[06:31] <pitti> update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/home/index.html doesn't exist.
[06:31] <pitti> dpkg: error processing edubuntu-artwork (--configure):
[06:31] <pitti>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[06:31] <pitti> highvoltage: yesterday's DVD live fs build failed
[06:31] <pitti> highvoltage: last one that works is from August 1
[06:31] <pitti> so I'll produce a DVD from that one for now
[06:33] <NCommander> pitti: scratch has nothing persistant in it, at least on my local build
[06:59] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20100805/
[06:59] <pitti> highvoltage: ^
[07:00]  * pitti builds a mythbuntu, should work better now
[07:04] <ara> morning!
[07:06] <pitti> hello ara, how are you?
[07:06] <pitti> ara: we got two late strugglers, edubuntu DVD (now posted), and mythbuntu
[07:06] <pitti> ara: do you have some time to give the edubuntu one a spin? I can try mythbuntu
[07:07] <ara> pitti, sure, resyncing now
[07:07] <pitti> I hope someone (Riddell?) can test Kubuntu DVD i386
[07:29] <ttx> o/
[07:29]  * ttx still feels very bad, so I'll enter minimal mode today
[07:31] <pitti> hello ttx
[07:31] <pitti> ttx: uh, get well soon -- ubuflu?
[07:31] <ttx> pitti: unclear. Got headache, throat hurting, eyes are red
[07:32] <ttx> looks like our ISO testing is in good shape this time
[07:32] <ttx> so it's just a matter of writing up the release notes
[07:33] <ttx> and server should be ready
[07:43] <GrueMaster> pitti: From what I understood, the recent edubuntu build failed because antimony ran out of disk space.
[07:44] <pitti> GrueMaster: right; I cleaned up this morning and rebuilt; posted now
[07:44] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[07:58] <ara_> I am still resyncing edubuntu
[08:03] <ttx> pitti: TechnicalOverview edited
[08:03] <pitti> ttx: merci Monsieur
[08:04] <ttx> hmm
[08:04] <ttx> I'll refactor my "new features"
[08:04] <pitti> ttx: merge the two headings into one?
[08:04] <ttx> yep
[08:05] <pitti> ttx: oh, while you are at it, would you mind to fix the <a href stuff in cloud-init to be a proper wiki link?
[08:05] <ttx> ok
[08:09] <ttx> done
[08:17] <pitti> I'm off for about two hours for some errands
[08:17] <pitti> mythbuntu still failed to build, and the rest should be posted and working
[08:18] <pitti> for the Canonicalizens, please call my mobile if there are urgent questions
[10:04] <pitti> ara: thanks for the edubuntu test
[10:09] <ara> pitti, working on the installation one for i386, and will start amd64 soom
[10:09] <ara> s/soom/soon
[10:19] <Daviey> pitti, We are having some problems with mythtv in maverick.  Trying to work with upstream to resolve it, we do have a patch that claims to resolve it; but it's not clean and requires more testing.
[10:20] <pitti> Daviey: does that break installation?
[10:20] <pitti> or can it be fixed post-install?
[10:20] <Daviey> pitti, Unfortunately I personally haven't had the time to test this ISO.
[10:21] <Daviey> I will give it a spin after some further UEC testing.
[10:23] <Riddell> pitti: downloading kubuntu i386 dvd now, although it'll be a couple of hours at least before test is done
[10:24]  * Daviey notes a time/people resource issue.
[11:02] <Riddell> win 10
[11:02] <Riddell> tsk
[11:06] <pitti> Riddell: no, latest ist win 7, I think :)
[11:09] <davmor2> Riddell, pitti:  I missed the start of the conversation I got win7 if you guys have an issue
[11:09] <ara> pitti, the edubuntu i386 installation finished, but went uncommonly slow, I will have a look to the logs
[11:09] <pitti> davmor2: just kidding
[11:10] <davmor2> pitti: okay cool
[11:14] <Riddell> although if you had win 10 that would be handy
[11:15] <ttx> pitti: you're all set for Alpha3 wrt server ? Doctor said: stay away from computers and let your uveitis heal itself
[11:15] <pitti> ttx: I think so; thanks a lot for testing and the notes
[11:16] <ttx> pitti: np, that's my job :)
[11:16]  * ttx disappears to take more meds
[11:24] <pitti> GrueMaster, ogra: any luck with the arm preinstalled images?
[11:24] <ogra> just started here, didnt GrueMaster report on the isotracker ?
[11:32] <pitti> not yet
[11:32] <pitti> ah, it's marked as "started"
[11:35] <ogra> ah, weird
[11:50] <ogra> looks like the panda installation (omap4) is good
[12:01] <ara> Riddell, have you started with Kubuntu DVD i386?
[12:03] <highvoltage> pitti: eek! (thanks)
[12:03] <pitti> highvoltage: but seems the 0801 build is still working
[12:04] <highvoltage> pitti: is that too old to use for an alpha 3 release?
[12:05] <pitti> highvoltage: works for me; it's just two days difference
[12:05] <pitti> highvoltage: you might still have the -13 kernel, but *shrug*, people can upgrade
[12:07] <Riddell> ara: just about to boot it up
[12:10] <ara> Riddell, ok, great, I will resync another image then
[12:53]  * ara -> lunch
[13:16] <highvoltage> the edubuntu dvd description on the tracker just needs to be updated to 20100801 instead of 20100805
[13:16] <highvoltage> ara: ^^ is that your department? :)
[13:18] <pitti> highvoltage: oh, oops
[13:18] <pitti> that might be a little tricky
[13:18] <pitti> last time I tried it, it only wanted upwards counting
[13:18]  * pitti tries to fiddle
[13:19] <highvoltage> pitti: it's not really a big deal, but it is kind of weird seeing that a failed build passed 2/2 tests :)
[13:19] <pitti> highvoltage: erm, why?
[13:19] <pitti> highvoltage: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20100805/
[13:19] <pitti> I actually copied the build number from cdimage, so it seems to be alright?
[13:20] <highvoltage> pitti: oh, my bad! I understood that it failed
[13:20] <pitti> highvoltage: the livefs is from 0801, right
[13:20] <highvoltage> ah, I see
[13:30] <pitti> ara, Riddell: I went through the bugs, and I didn't see any total failures; I think I documented all serious ones on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview#Known%20issues now
[13:30] <pitti> highvoltage: ^
[13:30] <pitti> how are things looking from your side? I'd like to start publishing the images
[13:32] <highvoltage> pitti: I'll add the edubuntu details to that page
[13:32] <pitti> highvoltage: ah, please do
[13:39] <Riddell> pitti: added bug 613574 to known issues
[13:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 613574 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "kdm times out on live cd (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613574
[13:40] <pitti> Riddell: is that only when you log out of the live session? or does it affect the autostart as well?
[13:40] <Riddell> pitti: it's when the live session starts
[13:40] <pitti> uh
[13:41] <pitti> Riddell: starting ubiquity works, though?
[13:41] <pitti> that indeed sounds rather serious
[13:41] <Riddell> yes
[13:41] <pitti> Riddell: do you want to postpone, or release with this?
[13:42] <Riddell> you can follow the failsafe X prompts and it starts fine so I'll just make it obvious in the kubuntu.org announcement
[13:42] <pitti> weird that it didn't come up in the other test results
[13:42] <Riddell> it doesn't affect running from USB, presumably that's fast enough not to trigger the timeout
[13:42] <pitti> ah
[13:43] <pitti> we had 4 reported successes
[13:43] <Riddell> and it won't affect virtual machines either
[13:45] <pitti> elmo: FYI, to free 42 GB from antimony, RT#40165 should help
[13:45] <pitti> smoser: can you please publish the UEC images to uec-images.ubuntu.com for alpha-3?
[13:45] <ara> sorry, I was at luch
[13:45] <ara> lunch, even
[13:46] <pitti> ara: you're having lunch!?!?!
[13:46]  * pitti hugs ara
[13:46] <ara> Riddell, highvoltage: what happened with edubuntu?
[13:46] <smoser> pitti, are you saying make all that public now ?
[13:46] <ara> I meant, pitti
[13:46] <pitti> smoser: yes; they all look good, don't they?
[13:46] <ara> the tests I did for edubuntu are not worth it, then?
[13:46] <highvoltage> ara: we have an old livefs in a new spin (the one that you tested), so we're going with that
[13:47] <highvoltage> ara: they are!
[13:47] <pitti> ara: no, why? thanks a lot for testing them, otherwise we wouldn't have made it in time
[13:47] <highvoltage> (worth it, that is)
[13:47] <pitti> right, they are a few days old, but as long as they install and work, that's fine
[13:47] <ara> pitti, ah, ok, the message about changing to 20100801 confused me
[13:48] <pitti> heck, all the other images are also out of date now, people didn't stop uploading :)
[13:48] <smoser> yes, pitti. i will publicize.
[13:48] <highvoltage> ara: apologies for letting my confusion spill over to you :)
[13:48] <ara> highvoltage, :)
[13:49] <highvoltage> ara: and thanks again for your testing work, you rock
[13:52] <pitti> cjwatson, slangasek: FYI, last night I cobbled together http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/ubuntu-archive-tools/trunk/annotate/head%3A/publish-image-set.py, which makes it a lot easier to do the publish-release bits; I added it to the MilestoneProcess wiki page
[14:01] <highvoltage> pitti: stgraber figured out what went wrong yesterday, the build that you triggered did actually work, but it was saved to edubuntu instead of edubuntu-dvd
[14:01] <highvoltage> pitti: so it ended up here: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/maverick/edubuntu/ instead of here: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/maverick/edubuntu-dvd/
[14:02] <highvoltage> not a problem but at least it solves the mystery :)
[14:02] <pitti> ah, ok
[14:06] <pitti> ogra: hm, you don't happen to know how to invoke publish-release for the preinstalled omap images?
[14:07] <pitti> I tried ARCHES='armel+omap armel+omap4' for-project ubuntu publish-release daily-live ../ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20100804 netbook no alpha-3
[14:07] <pitti> but that doesn't work
[14:07] <smoser> pitti, thats done.
[14:09] <pitti> ogra: seems we didn't publish them before either
[14:09] <smoser> i still have to update the ami pages on amazon, but will do that shortl
[14:09] <smoser> y
[14:11] <pitti> smoser: thanks
[14:14] <highvoltage> pitti: btw, are you release manager for this cycle? (sorry if I missed the memo :) )
[14:14] <pitti> highvoltage: not officially
[14:15] <pitti> highvoltage: we finally got an official release manager now, though \o/
[14:15] <highvoltage> cool :)
[14:15] <pitti> I guess she'll say hello here soon, but she's at debconf, meeting Colin and Steve
[14:25] <pitti> ogra: sorry, I can't figure it out; can we publish the armel preinstalled ones later on?
[14:28] <cjwatson> pitti: you rang?
[14:28] <pitti> cjwatson: hello
[14:28] <pitti> cjwatson: I have tried in vain for ages to publish http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100804/
[14:29] <pitti> cjwatson: but I can't figure out the correct rune, it seems
[14:29] <pitti> ARCHES='armel+omap armel+omap4' for-project ubuntu bash -ex ~/bin/publish-release daily-preinstalled ../ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100804 preinstalled-netbook no alpha-3
[14:29] <pitti> cjwatson: ^ that's the last one I tried
[14:29] <cjwatson> I can probably manage to guess it, modulo debconf wifi
[14:29] <pitti> cjwatson: I added some img.gz extensions to publish-release,but it doesn't help
[14:29] <pitti> so perhaps I'll revert that again
[14:29] <cjwatson> leave what you already have in place, and I'll work from there
[14:29] <pitti> ok, thanks
[14:30] <pitti> cjwatson: did we ever publish those before?
[14:30] <cjwatson> my guess is not
[14:30] <cjwatson> can you pastebin the output from that bash -ex run?
[14:30] <pitti> I can't remember it either
[14:30] <pitti> cjwatson: hang on
[14:31] <pitti> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/473517/
[14:31] <pitti> once I've got it, I'll add it to publish-image-set.py
[14:33] <Riddell> pitti: KDE Platform 4.5.0 got delayed incase you didn't get the memo so any references to it should call it a release candidate now
[14:33] <pitti> Riddell: ah, will change the notes, thanks
[14:33] <pitti> Riddell: seems you beat me to it
[14:36] <smoser> pitti, ec2 is published now. http://ubuntu-ec2-maverick-i386.notlong.com/ and http://ubuntu-ec2-maverick-amd64.notlong.com/ and http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/alpha-3/
[14:44] <cjwatson> pitti: fixed with a stupid, stupid fudge
[14:44] <cjwatson> namely: mkdir /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/daily-preinstalled
[14:44] <cjwatson> (pending something more sensible)
[14:44] <pitti> ah, so it was just that daily-p/../ bit
[14:44] <cjwatson> so that's published now
[14:45] <pitti> cjwatson: yay you
[14:45] <cjwatson> it hasn't done anything to HEADER.html
[14:45] <cjwatson> somebody will need to mangle make-web-indices
[14:45] <pitti> ok, so I'll edit that manually for now
[14:45] <pitti> cjwatson: what was the command you used to publish?
[14:47] <pitti> cjwatson: hm, were was it published to?
[14:47] <pitti> cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www$ diff -u <(cd ../www.prev/full && find | sort) <(cd full && find | sort) |grep ports
[14:47] <pitti> -> nothing
[15:00] <ogra> pitti, sorry, was out for a while, no, i have never published and preinstalled images yet
[15:01] <ogra> s/and/any/
[15:02] <cjwatson> pitti: oh, er
[15:02] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, I see
[15:02] <pitti> it put it into releases/maverick/alpha-3/
[15:02] <cjwatson> that's what your command asked for :)
[15:03] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, so which one did I really want?
[15:03]  * pitti doesn't have documentation how to publish ports
[15:15]  * pitti moves it over manually now
[15:15] <cjwatson> oh, I was still figuring it out
[15:15] <cjwatson> in a talk here so brain cycles are limited
[15:17] <cjwatson> I think you're meant to use publish-release ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled or some such
[15:20] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, I'll play around with that after the syncing and release is done, for the next time (and will restore it afterwards)
[15:22] <cjwatson> ok, sorry to be only semi-available
[15:22] <pitti> cjwatson: np; I'll fudge through the rest; thanks for coming online, and sorry for disturbing!
[16:02] <GrueMaster> pitti: I have updated iso.tracker with info on both omap and omap4 image testing results.
[16:03] <GrueMaster> I'm sure there are more bugs to find, but I only had one day to test, and these systems are a bit more sluggish than x86.
[16:11] <pitti> GrueMaster: thanks; if it installs and boots at all, that's "good enough" at this point
[16:11]  * pitti presses the final release button
[16:11] <GrueMaster> Oh.  Then I'll remark it as passed in that case.
[16:12] <GrueMaster> fixed.
[16:13] <pitti> ok, thanks everyone!
[16:13] <pitti> I'm quite tired, I'll call it a day for today
[16:13] <GrueMaster> Heh.  My day just started.  Have a good evening.
[16:21] <ogra> pitti, awesome job, thanks a lot for the hard work !


[10:39]  * gmb -> lunch
[12:17] <danilos> gary_poster, hi, fwiw, I've decided to get all the branches landed because they are all very close, but writing decent MPs is taking the time (finding some obscure pages and creating the sample data for QA is a bit of a mess)
[12:18] <gary_poster> meh, keypress for copying text != keypress for closing app
[12:19] <gary_poster> danilos, cool, understood.
[12:28] <gary_poster> danilos, gmb skype in 2
[12:29] <gmb> ack
[12:29] <danilos> quack
[12:29] <gary_poster> (benji has a sick day, bac is still on vacation)
[12:29] <gary_poster> :-P
[12:29] <danilos> hopefully his day feels better soon as well :)
[12:30] <gary_poster> :-P
[12:30] <gary_poster> English, it is difficult for me.  It is only my first language.
[12:33] <benji> bye, hopefully I'll see you guys tomorrow
[12:38] <danilos> gary_poster, bin/test --list-tests --layer=AppServerLayer
[12:39] <gary_poster> fsnilos, gmb, oh yeah, "I'll talk to you later" means today since today is call day
[12:39] <gmb> Good point.
[12:39] <gary_poster> danilos
[12:39] <gmb> Also, fsnilos is the kind of typo I would make.
[12:40] <gary_poster> :-)
[12:40] <danilos> gary_poster, ack
[12:40]  * danilos should get some more food soon then :)
[13:31] <gary_poster> gmb, I'm ready.  Gimme a Skype call when you want
[13:31] <gmb> gary_poster: Now seems like a good time...
[14:18] <gary_poster> danilos, yoo hoo?
[14:19] <gary_poster> would like your opinion/triage of https://launchpad.net/bugs/806971
[14:19] <_mup_> Bug #806971: team owners can't subscribe their team to bug emails <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/806971 >
[14:19] <gary_poster> dunno if it's reasonable or not, and hoping you do
[14:35] <gary_poster> danilos, ok, ready for call when you are.  gimme a call when you want
[15:47] <gary_poster> danilos, congratulations, supposedly you can log in to both RTs now :-)
[16:21]  * gary_poster lunches


[11:12] <snwh> mpt, the reasoning behind qt for ubuntu one is the cross-platform ability right?
[11:15] <mpt> snwh, yes. Unfortunately that causes a noticably strange appearance on every platform.
[11:17] <mpt> snwh, if you'd like a less daunting visual design task, there's something interesting we're doing with the installer at the moment
[11:18] <snwh> mpt What's the chances of them returning to Gtk (and possibly just bundling gtk with the windows and mac binaries)?
[11:18] <snwh> oh whats that?
[11:18] <mpt> snwh, I don't know the answer to the first part, but I think switching from Qt cross-platform to GTK cross-platform is unlikely
[11:19] <mpt> snwh, briefly, the installer asks you a first set of questions, up to partitioning. Then it starts copying files to disk, while asking you a second set of questions.
[11:19] <mpt> snwh, this isn't new, Ubiquity has been doing it for a few years.
[11:20] <mpt> snwh, the problem is, people get confused about why there's a progress bar up when they're being asked the second set of questions.
[11:20] <snwh> mpt, ah I can see that.
[11:21] <mpt> Either they think they have to wait for the progress bar to finish, or they think the progress bar represents progress through the questions, when neither of those are true.
[11:23] <mpt> snwh, I've just mailed you a Gimp mockup of one idea I had, moving the progress to the top, followed by "Meanwhile, we have a few more questions..."
[11:23] <mpt> with layers for "Where are you?" and "Who are you?"
[11:23] <mpt> I'm not sure how (or whether) that text should change when you're on subsequent steps
[11:24] <mpt> Probably there are different ways entirely to solve the problem, too.
[11:24] <snwh> interesting
[11:25] <mpt> snwh, if you'd like to have a play, <https://picasaweb.google.com/105922848292507689403/1210TypicalInstall?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOj8r6OyseCZOQ&feat=directlink> has source screenshots for each step
[11:25] <mpt> (that's linked to from <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/SlideDecks>)
[11:25] <snwh> I was already on those screenshots. haha
[11:25] <mpt> :-)
[11:26] <snwh> What if a spinner was used to indicate that the installer was working, then it switches to the progress bar at the slideshow
[11:27] <snwh> ^ mpt
[11:27] <mpt> snwh, that's one possibility. A spinner might look *less* like you need to wait for it, but how much less?
[11:29] <snwh> mpt, if it were in line with the USC progress spinner, where the user can still do things while it's going proceeding
[11:31] <mpt> snwh, maybe just the minimum necessary to answer the question "omg why is my hard disk going flat-out when I'm still answering questions"
[11:34] <thorwil> i doubt that a spinner has a lower "have-to-wait" factor. after it all, one appears in cases where you do have to wait until something is loaded/ready. doing something else in the meantime might be more common in cases where progress bars are used
[11:35] <snwh> well a spinner has less confusion surrounding its role, it (i dare say) wouldnt be confused for the progress of the questions
[11:36] <thorwil> then again, the progress bar is meaningless regarding how long it will take, when the process is potentially waiting for the user to complete input. i guess this suggests just using a text notice informing about something happening in the background
[11:36] <snwh> mpt, basically the user needs to understand what's happening
[11:38] <thorwil> i think we have consensus that the progress bar should go. but is it necessary to use *any* animation in its place?
[11:40] <snwh> thorwil, then what answers the question  "omg why is my hard disk going flat-out when I'm still answering questions"
[11:41] <thorwil> snwh: the snippet of text you have to put in anyway, even with spinner
[11:43] <thorwil> extra points for leaving even that out, if there is no hard disc involved ;)
[11:43] <xnox> snwh: gtk stack is pain to compile on windows & mac. Qt is friendly in that respect and provides more consistent cross-platform experience (from developer / coding point of view).
[11:44] <snwh> xnox exactly, haha
[11:45] <thorwil> mpt: this progress bar confusion makes for great advocacy for user testing, highlighting the kind of blindness technical minded users/developers have
[11:45] <mpt> thorwil, the progress bar doesn't wait for you to complete input afaik, though that's currently assumed to be a bug -- bug 732634
[11:46] <mpt> (we don't have a bugbot in here?)
[11:47] <mpt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/732634
[11:48] <thorwil> mpt: what i meant is, that if the job of the progress bar is to give the user an idea of how long it will take (aside of showing something is happening at all), then it cannot actually succeed when there's still user input to collect
[11:49] <mpt> thorwil, true. So a spinner would be better for that reason alone.
[11:50] <AlanBell> bug #1
[11:51] <AlanBell> xnox: ^^
[11:52] <mpt> thorwil, bug 716120 is the contrary position :-) (though it doesn't give any reasoning)
[11:52]  * mpt hugs ubot5
[11:53] <thorwil> mpt: if "would be nice" counts, we need to have a gazillion features everywhere. even features on features
[11:55] <mpt> thorwil, I'm not sure what you're getting at ... We can't go both ways, obviously, both not-showing progress for the first stage at all *and* showing progress for partitioning in particular
[11:55] <mpt> We have to pick zero or one of those
[11:56] <thorwil> i think that we want the user to fill out the forms without wasting time worrying about any other information. it's just the likely audible work the computer does that needs an explanationt o not cause more of a hang up thatn the presence of extra information will
[11:56] <snwh> an additional slide can be added to confirm in the user their understanding of whats going on
[11:57] <snwh> "dear user, your computer is going to do some things while you answer a few more questions"
[11:57] <mpt> yep, that would be one way
[11:57] <snwh> "to save time"
[11:58] <mpt> That's what I was trying to get at with the "Okay, we're getting started on that" text
[11:58] <snwh> and we could hide the progress bar until they hit the slideshow
[11:58] <thorwil> yes, progress bar only once the installation will be finished if the bar is filled up
[12:00] <thorwil> eh, partitioning is very much a different stage, isn't it?
[12:03] <thorwil> do the questions start while partitioning is still going on? until here i assumed it does not
[12:05] <snwh> thorwil, if the partitioning it automatic they do
[12:05] <snwh> otherwise the user sets it up, then the questions start while the file copying occurs
[12:06] <thorwil> ah, i never used automatic :)
[12:16] <snwh> thorwil, me either :)
[12:20] <xnox> AlanBell: thanks.
[12:21] <xnox> not true....
[12:21] <xnox> in either automatic or manual, you finish with clicking "Install Now"
[12:22] <xnox> at that point partman starts progress bar and commits all changes, fills it up to 100%, possibly multiple times (in case of resizes).
[12:22] <xnox> when that is done, file copy begins from zero again.
[12:25] <snwh> xnox, i stand corrected. it's been awhile since I used ubiquity
[13:00]  * AlanBell notes that orca reads out percentages as they happen and it is a bit confusing
[13:01]  * AlanBell would like the design team to design transcripts for Orca along with the pretty picture stuff


[01:38] <harlowja> harmw yt
[07:25] <harmw> harlowja_away: sup
[15:32] <smoser> harmw, so if i mark 0.7.6 today...
[15:32] <smoser> will you push to ports ?
[17:09] <harmw> smoser: as long as I can gt my cloud back online... (with the buildstuff inside)
[17:09] <harmw> might wnt to wait just another day :)
[17:11] <smoser> harmw, ok. i know that you've been very patient. so its hard for me, but i'm impatient now :)
[17:11] <harmw> imagine how I feel now
[17:30] <harmw> harlowja: ping
[17:30] <harlowja> pong
[17:30] <harmw> ping
[17:30] <harmw> ha! I win
[17:31] <harlowja> harmw oh ya, was gonna mention that me and some others met with RH people and they were like u probably shouldn't use that rhel6->7 migration script at any large scale, lol
[17:31] <harlowja> so that reminded me of u, haha
[17:31] <harmw> hehe
[17:31] <harmw> did it on 2 machins now
[17:31] <harlowja> i don't like those meetings, they trying to sell us more stuff again :-P
[17:31] <harmw> :P
[17:31] <harmw> did they mention why?
[17:33] <harlowja> to much manual stuff i think, i didn't dig into it
[17:33] <harlowja> i was almost gonna say 'wtf u make an upgrade tool if u don't recommend people to use it'
[17:33] <harlowja> lol
[17:33] <harlowja> but i resisted
[17:33] <harmw> :P
[17:43] <harmw> hopefully, rebuilding qemu-kvm is the last step required for my hypervisor to function
[17:47] <harlowja> :(
[17:48] <harmw> since it's a poorpeople cloud, I didn't migrate all instances to some other hypervisor :)
[17:50] <harlowja> lol
[17:52] <harmw> ok, so, building qemu-kvm with the rhev flag enabled
[17:52] <harmw> just to get ceph blockdevice support in
[17:58] <harlowja> ah
[17:58] <harlowja> ya
[17:58] <harlowja> RH does that more than i like
[17:58] <harmw> uhu
[19:08]  * gholms is going to have to ship qemu-kvm-rhev, too  :/
[19:11] <harlowja> rhev, oh goodie
[19:11] <harlowja> why is that still around?
[19:13] <harlowja> doesn't that probably have like 1000 patches on it
[19:13] <harmw> 1001, yes
[19:13] <harlowja> 10 million
[19:13] <harlowja> lol
[19:14] <harlowja> qemu-kvm-<IP_ADDRESS>-2.355 has 2858 patch files
[19:14] <harlowja> which is scary
[19:15] <harlowja> i'm pretty sure u can't call it 0.12 at that point :-P
[19:15] <harlowja> when u have more than 10 patch files its not the same version anymore, lol
[19:15] <harmw> :p
[19:16] <harlowja> especially sort of odd since RH i thought had good relations with upstream kvm/qemu?
[19:16] <harlowja> i'd of thought that if they had good relations, the number of patches would be small, but maybe i'm reading into it to much
[19:25] <gholms> You're reading into it too much.  They're all backports.
[19:26] <gholms> Version bumps for that kind of thing are rather rare in a stable release, so apparently individual patches go in instead.
[19:27]  * gholms chuckles a bit at the number of patches
[19:27] <harlowja> fair enough, although i'd not want to be a maintainer of anything with ~2500 patches, lol
[19:27] <harlowja> that would cause me to jump off building, lol
[19:27] <gholms> Well, when you have git or quilt or whatever it isn't really that bad.
[19:33] <harmw> hm, now why isn't qemu-img listing rbd as supported format :|
[19:34] <harlowja> harmw i'm pretty sure thats compiled out
[19:34] <harlowja> or not compiled in...
[19:35] <gholms> Did you also install librbd1?
[19:38] <harlowja> i think if u are compiling qemu your self u have to also do --block-drv-rw-whitelist=rbd (and a bunch of other stuff)
[19:41] <harmw> harlowja: I defined rhev 1, so that should've been tken care of
[19:42] <harlowja> hmmm, ok, no idea what that does, lol
[19:42] <harlowja> i just know i see http://paste.ubuntu.com/8528714/ in a version of the qemu-kvm spec file
[19:42] <harmw> though it looks like I defined that the wrong way
[19:44] <harmw> %if %{rhev} --enable-live-block-ops \ --enable-ceph-support \
[19:44] <harmw> %else
[19:44] <harmw> thats the magicstuff
[19:45] <harmw> but for some reason my old faithfull buildscript doesn't define rhev as 1
[19:45] <harlowja> hmmm, okie okie
[19:45] <harmw> so if that fails, ill just patch the spec
[19:45] <harmw> which is overkill, for what I'm after here
[19:46] <harmw> but hey, if it's about openstack, everything is allowed!
[19:46] <harmw> :p
[19:46] <harlowja> :-P
[19:49] <gholms> I juat grab the qemu-kvm-rhev source package from them and build that.
[19:50] <gholms> (Yes, the only difference is the flag at the top.)
[20:01] <smoser> harlowja, patches are just a different name for commits
[20:02] <smoser> what is the difference between upstreams 30,000 commits and a distros version-X+30 commits ?
[20:06] <harlowja> who knows, lol
[20:07]  * hiren_ forked early this week. Baby things will keep him away for a few weeks at least. :-)
[20:15] <harmw> hiren_: +1 on that
[20:15] <harmw> forked without bugs I hope?
[20:16] <hiren_> So far, so good.
[20:16] <hiren_> thanks.
[20:16]  * hiren_ -> away
[20:16] <harmw> and this was a private branch of yours?
[20:16] <harmw> :p
[20:17] <gholms> Awwww
[20:17] <gholms> Also, eww.
[20:17] <gholms> :P
[20:19] <harmw> :P
[20:22] <harlowja> hiren_ pretty sure u don't need a fork to get cloud-init into y!
[20:22] <harlowja> so hopefully shouldn't need such a thing, some patch files might be ok (but not ~2500 files, thx)
[20:22] <harlowja> so maybe u are just meaning u cloned from bzr or soemthing?
[20:23] <harmw> you rly not getting the joke here are you
[20:23] <harlowja> oh
[20:23] <harlowja> i get now
[20:23] <harlowja> u guys sux
[20:23] <harlowja> lol
[20:23] <harmw> :>
[20:26] <gholms> Haha
[20:39] <harmw> ok, qemu is rbd aware and just booted instance #1
[20:39] <harmw> now to fix the networking part of this hypervisor