[15:50] <krytarik> So I just committed a fix for LP bug 1617846.
[16:47] <zequence> krytarik: Any other planned changes soonish? Or, should I go ahead and upload?
[16:48] <krytarik> zequence: Not immediately, nope - please do.
[17:02] <zequence> krytarik: Did I forget to update the changelog in the bzr branch last time, or something? In the diff I see some small changes to the debian/changelog
[17:03] <krytarik> Yeeep.
[17:04] <zequence> Right. I sometimes do that, unfortunately..
[18:40] <OvenWerks> krytarik: Wow does it actually work like that with just the icon line in the override *desktop files?
[18:42]  * OvenWerks is talking about the hexter.desktop and hdspmixer.desktop files just changes a few hours ago
[18:44] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Look at the other ones in there, for example - 'icon' is just another key.
[18:45] <OvenWerks> krytarik: I understand that much, I was wondering if the menu then takes the rest from the original desktop file
[18:45] <OvenWerks> Does the application actually start? I guess if the name shows it means everything else works.
[18:57] <OvenWerks> krytarik: It looks like the generic alsa icon is missing.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> alsa-tools is the icon name in 16.04
[19:07] <OvenWerks> alsa-tools-gui should have the alsa-tools.xpm file in it.
[19:17] <krytarik> OvenWerks: Yeeah, apparently someone confused Debian menu with .desktop files.. :P - https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-alsa?view=revision&revision=2877
[19:22] <OvenWerks> krytarik: Sp does that mean it is coming back?
[19:24] <krytarik> Nope, it means someone will have to file a bug report. :P
[19:25] <OvenWerks> krytarik: ok I will do that... at least in ubuntu
[19:26] <OvenWerks> should we create an icon in the meantime?
[19:28] <OvenWerks> alsa-tools.pxm is not a very nice icon in any case... It is quite low res.
[19:29] <krytarik> Either way, could ship one in -icon-theme too in the meantime indeed.
[19:46] <krytarik> OvenWerks: I don't know why SVN sucks so much, but there the full changes.. :P - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/256772632/alsa-tools_1.1.0-0ubuntu1_1.1.0-1.diff.gz
[19:47] <krytarik> I see LP bug 1619779.
[19:51] <zequence> krytarik: Think SVN sucks because of branch management and the lack of integrity check
[19:52] <zequence> Or, the way it does branch management, that is
[19:54] <OvenWerks> krytarik: That looks like the bug I filed :)
[19:54] <krytarik> hahaha
[19:55] <krytarik> (Of course it does.)
[19:56] <OvenWerks> I have 16.10 running on an old P4 hooked up to one of my monitors so I can switch back and forth.
[19:57] <zequence> OvenWerks: Adding icons to ALSA should be done upstream. Not in Ubuntu Studio
[19:57] <zequence> At the very least, it should be done in Debian packaging
[19:57] <OvenWerks> zequence: in general yes.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> it was removed upstream (see above) and should be readded.
[19:58] <OvenWerks> my thought was that the one they do include is rather poor, so an alternate is not a bad thing either.
[19:58] <krytarik> Actually, it's just a packaging issue in Debian - plus the file is still there in the source.
[19:58] <OvenWerks> So long as it doesn't try to overwrite the package icon it is fine.
[19:59] <OvenWerks> Good, will it make it in time to be added to 16.10?
[20:00] <zequence> alsa-tools is maintained by Debian ALSA maintainers
[20:00] <zequence> So, I can't push any changes there
[20:00] <zequence> The bug should be filed in Debian as well though
[20:00] <zequence> And, the bug fix in Ubuntu needs to be a patch, if not a sync from a fixed Debian package
[20:01] <zequence> Actually, who packages the alsa-tools package in Ubuntu?
[20:01]  * zequence is not on Ubuntu right now
[20:01] <zequence> Seems like it's packaged in Debian
[20:04] <OvenWerks> So including a patch to the bug will not help unless done in debian. (actually it looks like a simple revert)
[20:04] <zequence> After Debian Import Freeze patching the Ubuntu package is ok
[20:04] <zequence> But, it needs to be in the form of a patch, since the packagin is done upstream
[20:05] <zequence> It would be better to fix it in Debian first, and the sync from there, to not having to do the same thing twice
[20:05] <OvenWerks> I agree.
[20:06] <zequence> krytarik: Do you spot what the error is, more exactly?
[20:06] <zequence> It's easy enough to get the source from Debian, and check if it is still there, or someone fixed it recently
[20:07] <zequence> If not fixed in Debian, I might be able to do a bug report, but not for a couple of days at least (getting late, and tomorrow I have plans)
[20:10]  * zequence is disappearing for a while
[20:10] <krytarik> zequence: Yes - the change in 'debian/alsa-tools-gui.install', more specifically.
[20:11] <zequence> krytarik: Thanks


[03:40] <CristianSN> hola
[03:41] <CristianSN> alguien q hable español q me pueda ayudar?
[03:43] <ScottK> CristianSN: /join #ubuntu-es
[03:43]  * ScottK no hable español
[03:46] <CristianSN> english?
[03:47] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:49] <CristianSN> i can't browse MS resources.
[03:50] <CristianSN> but from MS i canbrowse Ubuntusresoureces.
[03:50] <CristianSN> i cant config samba. can u help me?
[03:51] <ScottK> No, but you should try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es for help.
[03:51] <CristianSN> ok ty. cya
[09:45] <lucidfox> hyperair, I see you packaged a new version of libgpod for Debian - will gtkpod follow suit?
[09:45] <lucidfox> specifically, gtkpod 2.0
[09:51] <oussama> Hi i want to start with packaging help me plz where to start
[09:51] <oussama> thanks
[09:58] <tumbleweed> oussama: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is a good starting point for the documentation on the wiki
[10:03] <toabctl> i created a package which have a file in /etc/dbus-1/system.d (i see the file in the package with dpkg --contents and the file size is > 0) but when i install the package with "dpkg -i", the file is not installed. why?
[10:14] <sagaci> is it too early to create a pbuilder environment for oneiric
[10:19] <tumbleweed> should be possible today. Most of my local mirrors didn't have it yet, yesterday
[10:23] <sagaci> having a bit of trouble running pbuilder, when I know the Release file exists on my preferred mirror - http://paste.ubuntu.com/601229/
[10:23] <sagaci> http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/ubuntu/archive/dists/oneiric/ - it exists
[10:52] <hyperair> lucidfox: gilir's handling gtkpod.
[10:55] <gilir> hyperair, lucidfox there is actually a new contributor which want to update it, but for now he doesn't seems to follow my recommendations (using git, tracking changes in debian/changelog)
[10:56] <hyperair> gilir: bleh. so what's going on now?
[10:56] <hyperair> i mean did he give a diff of changes or what?
[10:57] <gilir> no, just the whole modified package :/
[11:18] <siretart> I'm going to upload libav 0.7_beta1 RSN (the successor of ffmpeg). Given its amount of reverse dependencies, I'd expect a number of changes required in other packages
[11:18] <hyperair> gilir: wasn't that the thing he gave in his duplicate itp?
[11:18] <Laney> ffmpeg goes away?
[11:18] <hyperair> siretart: is that a successor or just a fork?
[11:19] <Laney> looks like it's a rename
[11:20] <hyperair> hm
[11:20] <hyperair> i could have sworn i read something about a fork thouh
[11:20] <hyperair> though*
[11:20] <Laney> or is it?
[11:20] <siretart> hyperair: for the debian/ubuntu POV, it's the successor
[11:20] <Laney> "We, as a group of FFmpeg developers, have decided to continue developing FFmpeg under the name Libav"
[11:20] <hyperair> siretart: ah, i see.
[11:21] <hyperair> Laney: "a group of FFmpeg developers", i.e. not everyone
[11:21] <Laney> indeed
[11:21] <hyperair> have forked off ffmpeg into libav and will continue maintaining it as such
[11:22] <siretart> Laney: for as far as ubuntu is concerned, it is a rename of the source package only. all (source) dependencies remain the same
[11:23] <vish> Laney: hyperair https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-April/000794.html
[11:23] <vish> (in case you missed that mail)
[11:24] <hyperair> vish: ah, i missed that.
[11:24] <hyperair> did it lend in -devel?
[11:24] <Laney> I don't read the TB list, so it's certain I missed it
[11:24] <vish> nope, only on TB list
[11:24] <vish> what happens now, if someone packages ffmpeg?
[11:25] <vish> hyperair: something that should probably be discussed on devel indeed
[11:25] <siretart> vish: err, even I missed it :-/
[11:25] <vish> siretart: ;)
[11:25] <hyperair> s/lend/land/, but yeah
[11:25] <hyperair> okay
[11:40] <hyperair> vish: have there been no more emails since april 8th?
[11:41] <vish> dont think so..
[11:48] <hyperair> vish: looks like an unresolved issue that has gone ignored, eh
[11:48] <hyperair> so even things like this happen in foss communities..
[11:48]  * hyperair sighs
[11:49] <vish> hyperair: yea, the situation is very weird, was actually funny how siretart mentioned it as a successor though ;p
[11:49] <hyperair> heh
[11:49] <hyperair> well whoever it is who's maintaining ffmpeg already said it was a final decision eh
[11:50] <vish> right, thats why i'm wondering now what will happen if ffmpeg gets someone to package it for Ubuntu/Debian?
[12:09] <hyperair> meh
[12:09] <hyperair> vish: things will never be the same, i guess.
[12:21] <siretart> vish: I guess that person would have at least to talk to me
[14:16] <c_korn> what debhelper script has to be called to generate the postinst script?
[14:47] <tumbleweed> c_korn: dh_installdeb
[14:49] <c_korn> tumbleweed: I have the problem here that I build a library which installs into usr/lib but there is no script with ldconfig created
[14:49] <Laney> dh_makeshlibs does that
[14:49] <tumbleweed> c_korn: sorry I meant install the postinst, not generate it
[14:50] <tumbleweed> c_korn: the snippets are generated by other scripts
[14:50] <c_korn> hm, ok. then I need to find out why it does not generate those
[15:04] <c_korn> hm, I have no idea. neither in lucid nor in natty there is a postinst created/installed
[15:05] <ScottK> siretart: So what's the other side of the story?
[15:09] <siretart> ScottK: well, most of the folks that have actually done work in ffmpeg for the last 3 years have moved on to libav. To me as packager, it is a much nicer community, with folks that actually care about releases and reviews.
[15:10] <siretart> ScottK: To me, it seems that FFmpeg is pretty panic driven these days. Michael previously refused to merge stuff like ffmpeg-mt for years (he literally said "ill never merge -mt" a couple of days before we announced libav.org)
[15:11] <ScottK> The mails to the TB did seem strident.
[15:12] <siretart> ScottK: nowadays, he's merging pretty much everything at once that seems kindof useful. and even puts out releases, something that he didn't consider even worth thinking about when I joined ffmpeg upstream
[15:12] <ScottK> Funny.
[15:12] <siretart> he basically tries everything to make libav look bad
[15:13] <siretart> if you look at statistics (like git commit statistics, accepted GSoC projects, etc), then you'll see a completly different picture of activity
[15:13] <c_korn> aha, http://pastebin.com/aur5NsZs the SONAME does not have a version. I think this is it
[15:14] <siretart> in the end, I have none seen no one that stood up to provide up-to-date ffmpeg packages. and I can tell from experience that working with Michael is very very tiresome and hard. I almost always felt like working against a wall
[15:15] <siretart> since we've forked libav, stuff that used to be horribly hard to discuss was done with almost no hassle.
[15:16] <siretart> ScottK: need more details or are you happy with this presentation of 'the other side'?
[15:16] <ScottK> siretart: No.  I trust you.
[15:16] <siretart> Thanks
[15:23] <lucidfox> Any idea why mjpegtools are in multiverse?
[15:27] <siretart> lucidfox: it contains non-free stuff
[15:27] <siretart> lucidfox: AFAIUI, that stuff is not essential. it's rather that nobody bothered so far to strip it out.
[15:28]  * lucidfox hrm...
[15:28] <c_korn> yep, this was the problem. with a verioned SONAME the postinst script gets created !
[15:28] <siretart> lucidfox: I think Fabian raised the topic on pkg-multimedia some time ago...
[15:33] <lucidfox> And... regarding the libmp4v2/mpeg4ip thing...
[15:33] <lucidfox> the only remaining dependencies on libmp4v2 are easytag-aac and faac, not counting the dlopen trick in gtkpod
[15:34] <lucidfox> I'm not sure we even want easytag around. The last stable release was in 2007 and the last development release was in 2008. Upstream is dormant and SVN on Sourceforge is empty
[15:35] <siretart> let's better port packages to vo-aacenc, which unlike faac has a sane license
[15:37] <lucidfox> I'm not sure how vo-aacenc is a replacement for libmp4v2
[15:38] <lucidfox> Can it read and write tags?
[15:52] <siretart> vo-aacenc is an AAC encoder. libmp4v2 is an MPEG4 container toolbox. Totally different purposes
[15:52] <siretart> libavformat is supposed to be able to read and write metadata. if it lacks something, please get in touch with #libav-devel


[00:30] <Alumin> how can I change the width and color of the scrollbars?  Mostly the width I guess, the color would probably be fine if there were just more of it :)
[00:30] <Alumin> this is for Lubuntu 17.04 if it matters
[00:32] <Alumin> I did find this, but none of the files to which it refers exist on my system: https://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=31638
[01:27] <yagurajf> hi
[01:30] <yagurajf> cooler fan at most
[10:12] <hub_> i need help
[21:25] <Man_from_Mars> \o hi there
[21:26] <Man_from_Mars> anyone involved in Lubuntu site maintenance here? there's a wrong link to fix
[21:38] <tsimonq2> Man_from_Mars: Hey there
[21:38] <tsimonq2> Man_from_Mars: Which site?
[21:38] <tsimonq2> lubuntu.me is the official one and the only one we can do something about, lubuntu.net is being squatted by a former team member
[21:39] <Man_from_Mars> oh, I didn't know that. It's lubuntu.net actually
[21:39] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[21:40] <Man_from_Mars> I wanted to download the alternate install ISO of 17.04 but the link still points to 16.10 and it's a 404
[21:40] <Man_from_Mars> fine, however. I fixed the link by myself and downloaded the ISO (from cdimage)
[21:41] <Man_from_Mars> and here comes my question about Lubuntu, if you can give me some tips: would it run fine on a Atom single core CPU?
[21:42] <tsimonq2> Most likely.
[21:43] <Man_from_Mars> is this release with non-PAE kernel? should I expect any issue?
[21:44] <Man_from_Mars> I'd like to revive an old netbook (you'll have guessed by the CPU ;)). I used several tool/apps from LXDE in the past and liked them, so I'd happily rely on Lubuntu or any other LXDE-based distro
[21:49] <Man_from_Mars> I feel a bit too lazy now to attempt a Debian netinst and choose the LXDE during installation
[23:07] <hub_> hello? i have a question.


[00:53] <manchicken> Okay, under 14.04 I now have kubuntu-debug-installer building again.
[00:54] <manchicken> The qt5 changes messed up my local build environment slightly, but I think I'm good now.
[01:04] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[01:15] <valorie> ahoneybun: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/24/plasma-desktopwY2050.png
[01:15] <valorie> button isn't sliding down below the text in the header
[01:17] <valorie> and on pages like this, setting off Kubuntu with quotes is strange:
[01:17] <valorie> Local Teams
[01:17] <valorie> If you want to meet other ”’Kubuntu”’ users in your area, look for a Local Ubuntu Community team (LoCo team for short) to join.
[01:17] <valorie> http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/contribute-to-kubuntu/
[01:17] <valorie> I have a feeling that is from the wiki page markup or something
[07:13] <valorie> do we still ship wubi?
[07:13] <valorie> someone was just in #kubuntu fighting with it
[07:14] <valorie> !manifest
[07:14] <jussi> don't think so. at least it shouldnt be in 14.04
[07:14] <valorie> bummer, ubottu
[07:14] <valorie> cool
[07:15] <lordievader> valorie: He said he specifically chose Precise because it still had wubi.
[07:15] <valorie> ah
[07:16] <valorie> weird
[07:16] <lordievader> 24-07:59 < markwelds> the reason i am using 12.04 is because wubi only has 12.04
[07:16] <valorie> ok, but you said saucy
[07:16] <valorie> whatever, as long as it's gone
[07:17] <lordievader> Yes, Ubuntu Saucy.
[07:17] <lordievader> ;)
[07:17] <valorie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/trusty-desktop-amd64.manifest has no wubi
[07:17] <valorie> :-)
[07:18] <lordievader> \o/
[07:18] <valorie> got it
[07:18] <lordievader> Good riddance.
[07:18] <valorie> indeed
[07:19] <valorie> I only tried it once, very long ago, and it was already a steaming pile then
[07:20] <lordievader> I actually used it once, a cyclic boot chain stopped that quickly enough.
[07:21] <valorie> really, that fellow needs guis, doncha think?
[07:21] <valorie> not much of a thinker
[07:21] <lordievader> Yeah, I was just poking fun.
[07:21] <valorie> but we all start somewhere
[07:22] <lordievader> Very true.
[07:22] <lordievader> Let move this to #kubuntu-offtopic, btw.
[07:22] <valorie> oops
[07:22] <valorie> thought I was there
[07:22] <valorie> geez, sorry
[08:39] <apachelogger> agateau: bug 296228 python hates its parents :'<
[08:41] <agateau> apachelogger: how does this concern me?
[08:41] <apachelogger> agateau: it doesn't just wanted to point that out :P
[08:41] <agateau> apachelogger: ah ok :)
[08:41] <apachelogger> also that is the wrong bug
[08:42] <apachelogger> ah bug 1296228 is the one agateau ^^
[08:42] <agateau> that sounds more like my stuff
[08:48] <apachelogger> d_ed: what would cause the google talk account creation stuff in ktp to be greyed out?
[08:49] <apachelogger> s/would/could
[08:49] <agateau> apachelogger: building qtwebkit atm, I don't dare opening firefox to read the bug report for now :)
[08:50] <apachelogger> agateau: probably a smart thing, I'd also close the IRC client tho :P
[08:50] <apachelogger> webkit is the best thing to build in a constraint build envrionment (say PPA builders ...)
[08:51] <apachelogger> e.g. IIRC neon5's qtwebkit is actually built without debug symbols because they cause OOM abortion like 99% of the time
[08:51] <agateau> yes, I might do this at some point
[08:51] <agateau> thought I noticed linking with gold helps
[08:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: "After clicking Apply to activate the newly selected driver, the process does not finish. I waited about five minutes then killed it. After opening Driver Management again, the new driver was selected."
[08:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about driver manager, applying a driver change
[08:52] <d_ed> apachelogger: lack of telepathy-gabble
[08:52]  * apachelogger checks deps
[08:53] <apachelogger> ohohoh, wait, haven't I seen that issue too
[08:53]  * apachelogger checks logs
[08:53] <apachelogger> ah yes
[08:53] <apachelogger> d_ed: what if gabble definitely was installed ^^
[08:55] <apachelogger> FWIW we might be talking about the actual configuration window rather than the button ... the test comment is not exactly clear on that
[08:55] <d_ed> killall mission-control-5 then open it again.
[08:55] <d_ed> after that I have no idea
[08:55] <apachelogger> mh, ok
[08:55] <apachelogger> d_ed: thx :)
[08:56] <apachelogger> somehow the discover test case is weirdly sorted
[08:56]  * apachelogger wonders why
[08:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: about the nepomuk disabled test case on google docs... shouldn't nepomuk be removed (will be removed)?
[08:59] <apachelogger> interestingly that test case also has weird order of question/comments
[09:02] <apachelogger>  Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a 1GB USB stick. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a larger USB drive, or a virtual machine.
[09:02] <apachelogger> exciting
[09:02] <apachelogger> we now have openjdk on the ISO it seems
[09:04] <apachelogger> because of ... wait for it... libreoffice
[09:04] <jussi> oh I eagerly await the day when we can have Calligra
[09:05] <apachelogger> ah, nevermind,
[09:05] <apachelogger> we not only have jdk
[09:05] <apachelogger> we also have libgnome *2*
[09:05] <apachelogger> because of openjdk
[09:06] <jussi> hah!
[09:10] <apachelogger> Timeout error
[09:10] <apachelogger> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[09:12] <apachelogger> fun fact: the lo changelog on launchpad indicates no changes regarding java
[09:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: true, however, I've commented out the code that figures out where qdbus resides, so that will lead to startup issues
[09:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do I find out why a package is on the ISO?
[09:25] <tsimpson> packages are listed in the .manifest
[09:25] <shadeslayer> sigh
[09:26] <shadeslayer> mornings are definitely not my thing
[09:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I look at the germs
[09:26] <apachelogger> mondays! mondays!
[09:26] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: sure, but why?
[09:26] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: I mean, that lists packages on the ISO, but sometimes I need to know why :)
[09:26] <tsimpson> oh why, sorry :p
[09:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because of the germs
[09:26] <shadeslayer> okie dokie
[09:27] <apachelogger> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.trusty/desktop http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.trusty/desktop-common
[09:27] <shadeslayer> we need to seed qtchooser explicitly
[09:27] <shadeslayer> or make kde-workspace depend on it
[09:27] <shadeslayer> ah well, qdbus already pulls it in
[09:27]  * apachelogger looks at his whiteboard and sighs in despair
[09:28] <shadeslayer> what's wrong?
[09:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: all utils do/should as the /usr/bin/foo thing is nothing but a link/caller for qtchooser
[09:28] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[09:28] <apachelogger> and qtchooser then calls the appropriate architecture binary
[09:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: was looking at 1295835
[09:28] <shadeslayer> bug 1295835
[09:29] <shadeslayer> trying to figure out why installing qt5-default fixes the issue
[09:29] <apachelogger> iff some qt5 bit is installed the qtchooser config for qt5 likely will get installed and chosen over the qt4 one
[09:30] <shadeslayer> yes, but that doesn't matter if I explicitly set QT_SELECT=4 correct?
[09:30] <shadeslayer> or does that get overriden too :O
[09:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nope, select should override anything
[09:31] <apachelogger> UNLESS qdbus-qt4 is not installed
[09:31] <apachelogger> so perhaps that needs to be explicitly seeded
[09:33] <shadeslayer> already seeded
[09:33] <apachelogger> then that should not happen
[09:35] <shadeslayer> it's puzzling yes
[09:35] <apachelogger> have the reporter strace it?
[09:35] <apachelogger> uninstall qdbus-qt5, set qt_select, strace qdbus
[09:39] <shadeslayer> eh
[09:39] <shadeslayer> this is interesting
[09:40] <shadeslayer> open driver manager kcm -> Select nvidia-331 -> hit apply -> install goes to 50% and then kcm reloads
[09:40] <shadeslayer> and keeps reloading
[09:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, driver manager is le broken
[09:50] <shadeslayer> needs fixing ASAP
[09:51] <apachelogger> fancy
[09:51]  * apachelogger adds to todo -.-
[09:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: nepomuk can't be removed because it needs to migrate, you might also want to turn it back on to e.g. get PMC to work
[09:54]  * apachelogger squints
[09:55] <apachelogger> I think that just gave me a stroke
[09:55] <Riddell> kubotu: nowversion akonadi 1.11.90
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: patch PMC to offer starting the KCM?
[09:55] <apachelogger> it's multiple degrees of ugly to have both nepomuk and baloo in systemsettings
[09:56] <yofel> well, we removed the kcm from kde-runtime, do you want it back?
[09:56] <yofel> has the uglyness of having desktop search twice in ss
[09:58] <yofel> I tried to remove the nepmouk dep wherever else I could. nepomuk-widgets shouldn't be used by anything anymore, but nepomuk-core isn't so easy
[09:58] <apachelogger> it's what I said should not happen, according to Riddell's test case that is however what happens when upgrading
[09:58] <yofel> removing n-c from kactivites is rather scary
[09:59] <yofel> apachelogger: having two kcm's? Impossible if we don't ship the other one...
[10:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: yofel has some some nepomuk removal work since I wrote that test case
[10:01] <apachelogger> ah
[10:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: please adjust test case then :P
[10:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: know of anything else that's broken?
[10:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: everything
[10:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where?
[10:35] <apachelogger> driver-manager?
[10:37] <shadeslayer> no, known any other breakages apart from that
[10:38]  * mzanetti would know a bunch :D
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: everywhere, take a look at the bug tracker :P
[10:39] <shadeslayer> xD
[10:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: stuff that you broke specifically or other things? :P
[10:40] <shadeslayer> xD
[10:42] <apachelogger> eh
[10:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: python3.4!!!@$!$!!
[10:42] <apachelogger> see mailing list
[10:42] <apachelogger> I thought you and yofel where on to that?
[10:43] <yofel> not... particulary. When I see apport I usually run away
[10:44] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[10:44] <apachelogger> bug 1253071
[10:46] <apachelogger> xnox: ^ the removal of gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg breaks kubuntu stuff
[10:46] <apachelogger> a lot
[10:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:02]  * shadeslayer starts looking at apport
[11:02] <jussi> we still use apport?
[11:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah, for non KDE apps
[11:03] <jussi> oh
[12:02] <shadeslayer> wtf it's 1?
[12:02] <shadeslayer> where did all the time go :O
[12:51] <Riddell> ** beta freeze happening today, get your uploads in quick!
[12:52] <Riddell> manchicken: is qapt and muon in the archive at good versions?
[12:52] <manchicken> Riddell: I believe qapt is, but Harald put those in.
[12:52] <manchicken> I'm still packaging-stupid.
[12:53] <Riddell> manchicken: launchpad knows all :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt
[12:53] <Riddell> manchicken: upload happened on 18th, that all good?
[12:53] <sgclark> Riddell: anything I can do? or quiet due to freeze?
[12:53] <manchicken> Let me look at the code
[12:53] <Riddell> sgclark: akonadi pacakaging will make tsdgeos happy
[12:53] <manchicken> I know (intimately) what the last change was.
[12:54] <sgclark> Riddell: on it
[12:54] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion akonadi 1.11.90
[12:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1296707
[12:54] <sgclark> Riddell: did you get calligra?
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: now you've got a bug for it too :) ↑
[12:54] <manchicken> Riddell: Yeah, this is golden.
[12:55] <Riddell> sgclark: yep thanks, e-mailed about some tidying I had to do
[13:25]  * shadeslayer waves fist
[13:25] <shadeslayer> can't get apport to crash in pd
[13:26] <shadeslayer> *pdb
[13:31] <sgclark> Riddell: akonadi ready
[13:33] <Riddell> sgclark: ubuntu one? any changes needed?
[13:34] <Riddell> not in ubuntu one, in bzr?
[13:35] <sgclark> bzr and no  changes
[13:35] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded, thanks!
[13:35] <Riddell> tsdgeos: any idea where akonadi releases get announced? they just seem to quietly appear
[13:39] <Riddell> sgclark: two more needing done today, new homerun release and fiddling with phonon .pri files
[13:40] <sgclark> Riddell: on it. what do you mean fiddling?
[13:42] <Riddell> sgclark: the .pri files in phonon are installed incorrectly in .install files "debian/tmp-phonon-qt5/usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/qt_phonon4qt5.pri usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/"
[13:42] <Riddell> which literally puts it into usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/
[13:42] <Riddell> needs custom install commands added to debian/rules
[13:42] <Riddell> sgclark: which are you starting on?
[13:42] <sgclark> ok
[13:42] <sgclark> homerun
[13:43] <Riddell> should be easy I think
[13:45] <sgclark> Riddell: should this be fixed while I am packaging? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1275243
[13:46] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm, something should be fixed
[13:46] <Riddell> sgclark: maybe it needs a common package for the shared files
[13:46] <shadeslayer> ^^
[13:46] <Riddell> sgclark: ask Sho_ in #kde-devel to find the best way
[13:49] <Riddell> apachelogger, shadeslayer: given freeze is imminent someone should start on gstreamer 1.0 support now, any volunteers or shall I do it?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> go for it, I'm doing other stuff right now
[13:50] <apachelogger> I am not going to do it, or I will have to shoot myself
[13:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:51] <shadeslayer> just a overall crappy situation overall
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might be worth investigating if there are other packages that use QtWebkit and gst
[13:51] <shadeslayer> because if they use QtWebkit + gst 0.10 things are going to crash
[13:54] <sgclark> Riddell: They said they do not know ubuntu packaging but your solution for common package would be possible. Your call
[13:57] <shadeslayer> sgclark: go for the common packaging approach
[13:57] <shadeslayer> *common package
[13:58] <sgclark> ok how do I determine what files are shared?
[13:59] <tsdgeos> Riddell: no clue, ask dan
[14:00] <shadeslayer> sgclark: check what files are used by both apps ?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> homerunviewer is probably one
[14:02] <shadeslayer> ohohoho
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2014-March/033929.html
[14:06] <apachelogger> is it batman
[14:06] <apachelogger> oh, it's not :/
[14:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's not the same thign is it?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:07] <apachelogger> we have code that did not change and is now going down in flames
[14:07] <shadeslayer> that guy posted right after I did
[14:07] <shadeslayer> yeah :/
[14:08] <apachelogger> oh, true, same backtrace
[14:09] <apachelogger> might still have a different cause, as apparently that backtrace is iconic of stuff that is being destructed after being destructed or something ^^
[14:23] <Quintasan> \o
[14:41] <Peace-> hey guys someone has 13.10 ?
[14:41] <Peace-> because i can't get tthe video preview on that too
[14:41] <Peace-> i mean on the info panel of dolphin
[14:42] <Peace-> i click play but on mp4 it doesn't work
[14:42] <Peace-> mah
[14:42] <jussi> link me to a demo file and Ill test
[14:45] <Peace-> jussi: youtube-dl -t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQuDUoTHEo #it should be very fast to download , and it should be MP4
[14:47] <Peace-> i am thinkin that it's a bug of kde 4.12
[14:49] <Peace-> i have installed kubuntu-restricted-extra and ubuntu-restricted-extra phonon-backend-vlc too
[14:54] <jussi> where the heck does the file disappear to ?
[14:54] <Peace-> jussi: ??
[14:54] <jussi> oh, weirdly named
[14:54] <jussi> anyway, works here
[14:54] <Peace-> ah
[14:55] <jussi> Platform Version 4.12.3
[14:55] <Peace-> jussi: damn why in my machine it doesn't work
[14:56] <Peace-> sigh
[14:56] <Peace-> i have both virtuabl box with 13.10 and new 14.04
[15:04] <Peace-> jussi: did you install something of special ?=
[15:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you figure out the k-d-m issue yet?
[15:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: haven't had a look
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but assuming my todo doesn't grow a 100% after mail reading tomorrow I probably can look into it and/or continue the refactor to get that out of the way
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: needs fixing today :S
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why
[15:06] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:06] <apachelogger> are we freezing already
[15:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:07] <shadeslayer> today IIRC
[15:07] <apachelogger> pff
[15:07] <apachelogger> I doubt I'll get it tracked down in 50 minutes
[15:07] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[15:07] <apachelogger> lemme try to reproduce it for starters
[15:07] <shadeslayer> just try to install a driver :P
[15:08] <shadeslayer> the entire day just slipped by :/
[15:08] <apachelogger> I killed 4 todo items :P
[15:08] <apachelogger> by outsourcing, muhahaha
[15:08] <shadeslayer> xD
[15:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's better if mondays go by fasterly
[15:09] <shadeslayer> all I did today was the plasma meeting, read why displays servers matter and fix some Neon 5 ISO bugs
[15:09] <apachelogger> display servers matter? what?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-display-server-doesnt-matter.html
[15:10] <apachelogger> does windows have a display server as well?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/why-the-display-server-does-matter/
[15:10] <shadeslayer> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2014/03/more-on-why-display-server-does-matter.html
[15:10] <apachelogger> teaparty nonesense
[15:10] <apachelogger> what's the point of blogging about this at all
[15:11] <shadeslayer> idk
[15:11] <apachelogger> and so much text
[15:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:11] <apachelogger> bikeshed much
[15:11]  * apachelogger watches a progressbar while the internet is being slow because ISO sync has just triggered -.-
[15:11] <shadeslayer> aw
[15:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pkdusquh4
[15:12] <shadeslayer> expressions get evaluated outside chroot
[15:13] <apachelogger> what?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p1pgvtz91
[15:13] <shadeslayer> code inside neon-image
[15:13] <shadeslayer> line 6 gets evaluated when the config is written
[15:14] <shadeslayer> odd
[15:14] <apachelogger> not necessarily
[15:14] <apachelogger> depends on how the thing is used TBH
[15:15] <apachelogger> looking at the output I reckon you need some fancy escaping
[15:15] <apachelogger> but even so, it really very much all depends on how this is used in the image
[15:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I see the broken driver thing
[15:16] <apachelogger> interestingly the dbus thingum doesn't sned anything when queried again
[15:17] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:17] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[15:17] <shadeslayer> workaround
[15:17] <apachelogger> it also doesn't on refresh
[15:17] <apachelogger> makes this loads more debuggable ^^
[15:18] <apachelogger> ah I know why
[15:18] <apachelogger> that's deliberate breakage
[15:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: will need fixing tomorrow
[15:19] <apachelogger> can't do that today, the problem is that with the current structure you have no state control
[15:19] <apachelogger> i.e. loading is dependent on qapt being inited
[15:19] <apachelogger> but initedness is not tracked etc.
[15:19] <shadeslayer> half the stuff you said went over my head
[15:19] <apachelogger> so I suppose a hotfix, if you want to do one, is bool m_backendinitd; and check that in load() and xapianUpdateFinished()
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: look at function xapianUpdateFinished
[15:20] <apachelogger> oh actually
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just call xapianUpdateFinished in load()
[15:20] <apachelogger> I think I already partially restructured, just forgot to rewire load()
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fun http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/24/plasma-desktopKA2152.png
[15:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the branch to use for gstreamer 1.0 phonon support?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 1.0-for-merge
[15:33] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[15:33] <shadeslayer> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-gstreamer/repository/show?rev=1.0-porting-for-merge
[15:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: after install?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, before
[15:34] <apachelogger> ah yes
[15:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: add a bool m_backendinit'd
[15:34] <apachelogger> no wait, that will also not work
[15:35] <apachelogger> it's the old mutual exlusion problem :P
[15:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just let it be :P
[15:35] <shadeslayer> let it be broken today?
[15:35] <apachelogger> oh well
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's not broken
[15:35] <apachelogger> it just has display state problems :P
[15:36] <shadeslayer> 'looks' pretty broken xD
[15:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what you can do is bool m_initialloaddone
[15:36] <apachelogger> or
[15:36] <apachelogger> no
[15:36] <apachelogger> also crap :P
[15:36] <apachelogger> or maybe
[15:36] <apachelogger> ah I dunno
[15:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bool m_loading
[15:36] <shadeslayer> fix it tomorrow
[15:36] <shadeslayer> ISO release is later
[15:37] <shadeslayer> we can upload bug fixes I suppose
[15:37] <apachelogger> set to true in xapianupdatefinished iff the qdbus wiring happens
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ we'll need exception for this
[15:37] <apachelogger> set to false in gotDevices
[15:37] <apachelogger> that still has the timing issue
[15:37] <apachelogger> but if you want a hotfix today then you'll have to live with that :P
[15:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who what?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kubuntu-driver-manager is busted
[15:38] <shadeslayer> can't install drivers
[15:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems like a problem, is someone fixing it?
[15:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: no like "Phonon::GStreamer::Backend: Failed to initialize GStreamer"
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: make sure you have 1) QtWebkit built with gst1.0
[15:40] <shadeslayer> 2) various gstreamer 1.0 packages
[15:40] <shadeslayer> else it's not going to work
[15:41] <Riddell> hmm, dragon says it's worked after installing gstreamer1.0-plugins-good but it's not actually playing anything
[15:41] <ahoneybun> having problems playing videos Riddell ?
[15:42] <sgclark> Riddell: homerun ready in my ubuntu one. I tested both and they appear to function as expected now.
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: again, needs Qtwebkit built with gstreamer 1.0
[15:42] <shadeslayer> I mean, it will NOT work without that
[15:42] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I'm trying phonon-gstreamer1.0, I'm having problems playing anything
[15:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dragon needs qtwebkit?
[15:43] <shadeslayer> dragon needs kdeui which needs something which loads qtwebkit
[15:43] <ahoneybun> I could never get anything to play in dragon
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pmap `pidof dragon'
[15:43] <ahoneybun> even installed the restricted packages
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pmap `pidof dragon`
[15:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pastebin that plz
[15:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pmap
[15:44] <ahoneybun> is there still that debate about the two different gstreamer packages but really the same
[15:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun: there's still gstreamer0.10 and gstreamer1.0
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: oh yeah, on-demand plugin install of qapt is only compatible with gst0.10 that might matter
[15:50] <Riddell> playing music might matter too :(
[15:51] <apachelogger> I mean saying you probably need more plugin packages
[15:53]  * Riddell installs more
[15:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh yay you're right
[15:57]  * apachelogger wonders how one wants to write 'am' and ends up with 'mean'
[15:57] <Peace-> :)
[16:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: have you installed plugins-base
[16:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: drunk autocorrecT?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio is usually the one missing which causes all sorts of sound issues
[16:29] <Riddell> yeah I think it was gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio which made it work
[16:29] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:30] <sgclark> Riddell: fixed .pri but have this unrelated lintian error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7147028/
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: good to know it's working
[16:43] <Riddell> sgclark: does it mention phonon-dbg in debian/control ?
[16:43] <Riddell> sgclark: and does phonon-dbg exist?
[16:44] <sgclark> Riddell: yes and phonon-dbg suggests libphonon4qt5
[16:48] <Riddell> sgclark: oh it's libphonon4qt5 which doesn't exist
[16:49] <sgclark> Riddell: oh it sshould be libphonon4qt5-4
[16:49] <shadeslayer> sounds about right
[16:50] <Riddell> sgclark: also libphonon4qt5-4-dev.install is unused
[16:50] <sgclark> Riddell: it is? there is stuff in there
[16:52] <Riddell> sgclark: but there's no such package, the file is unused
[16:52] <Riddell> libphonon4qt5-dev.install is used
[16:53] <sgclark> oh right
[16:53]  * shadeslayer  looks at yofel's firefox bug
[16:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: okay that should be fixed upstream IMHI
[16:56] <shadeslayer> *IMHO
[16:57] <shadeslayer> I have no clue if that'll break regular themes or not
[16:57] <sgclark> Riddell: did you see that homerun is in my ubuntu one?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> I thought I uploaded homerun, huh
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: make sure the md5sum is correct for homerun btw
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Eike switched out tars shortly after release
[16:58] <shadeslayer> like a couple of minutes
[17:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you uploaded 1.2.1, that's old news, you're 0.0.1 behind the times
[17:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, I'm talking about 1.2.2
[17:01] <shadeslayer> since sgclark mentioned it
[17:01] <Riddell> no sign of it in launchpad
[17:02] <shadeslayer> no, sgclark mentioned she had 1.2.2 on ubuntu one
[17:02] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1275243
[17:02] <sgclark> correct I did, because it is ready :)
[17:02] <shadeslayer> sgclark: can you show me what you did?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> link to dsc
[17:05] <Riddell> sgclark: some fixes needed http://paste.kde.org/pandwhmev
[17:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/homerun_1.2.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:06] <sgclark> Riddell: ok will fix those, phonon is ubuntu one
[17:08] <sgclark> Riddell: # 3 is empty?
[17:09] <Riddell> sgclark: just a blank line, ignore
[17:09] <Riddell> sgclark: phonon all good but you didn't add a new changelog entry, dch -i is your friend, fixing and uploading
[17:11] <sgclark> Riddell: ummm but I did. I thought I was suppose to dch -a since it was not a new release
[17:11] <Riddell> sgclark: it's a new upload to the ubuntu archive, each upload to the archive needs a new changelog
[17:12] <Riddell> sgclark: uploads to PPAs may not need a new changelog (depending on preferred development style)
[17:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah phonon-gstreamer1.0 doesn't compile with qt5
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: FWIW we should get PAM integration working sometime this week
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: with kwallet?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you think I can sneak it in this week then
[17:20] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:20] <shadeslayer> or do I have to wait till next week
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will that get rid of the broken gpg integration?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[17:21] <shadeslayer> IDK
[17:21] <shadeslayer> that's pretty broken :p
[17:21] <Riddell> hmm
[17:21] <shadeslayer> but for 99% of the users it won't matter
[17:21] <shadeslayer> because they don't use gpg
[17:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm but gpg is prompted by default for new users currently
[17:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: anyway, it depends when it's ready to go in
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Alex says disable it since it does not have PAM integration
[17:23] <shadeslayer> and probably won't till Plasma Next
[17:23] <shadeslayer> I agree with him since it's utterly broken
[17:23] <shadeslayer> plus he mentions that the hash is as secure as gpg
[17:24] <Riddell> where can it be disabled?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> yeah was just looking at that
[17:24] <Riddell> probably some build-dep we added to kdelibs or kde-runtime or the like
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: compile option
[17:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: able to remove it?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> wat wat wat , kwallet is at 4.12.2
[17:28] <shadeslayer> wat
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:28] <shadeslayer> manager probably
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah doing
[17:29] <sgclark> Riddell: homerun ready
[17:40] <ScottK> yofel: What needs to be added to our packageset?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I've emailed valentin since I can't find an option to disable it
[17:52] <shadeslayer> I'm done for the day, cya tomorrow
[19:15] <yofel> ScottK: my uploads that were rejected with insufficient permission were: artikulate, baloo, baloo-widgets, kfilemetadata, kqtquickcharts, kwalletmanager, libkomparediff2
[19:15] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[19:15] <yofel> not sure why baloo was rejected, that should be on the image, right?
[19:16] <ScottK> Packageset updates aren't automatic.
[19:16] <yofel> ah right
[19:16] <ScottK> I'll try and fix it later today.
[19:16] <yofel> ScottK: oh, and I just remembered something: zeroconf-ioslave (former kdnssd) wasn't uploaded I think
[19:16] <yofel> Riddell: could you look at that ^
[19:17] <Riddell> hmm, will do
[19:18] <yofel> uhm, changelog might need fixing, shadeslayer sed-ed that I think....
[19:20] <Riddell> anyone able to test gstreamer1.0 ?
[19:20] <yofel> if you mention something that uses it...?
[19:21] <Riddell> yofel: trusty, add  ppa:jr  install   phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0
[19:21] <Riddell> yofel: play music in amarok and videos in dragon
[19:24] <Riddell> yay qtwebkit works with gstreamer1.0
[19:48] <Riddell> !testers |phonon  gstreamer 1.0 ↑
[19:49] <yofel> dragon worked fine for both video and audio
[19:50] <yofel> amarok just plain crashed
[19:50] <yofel> let me get a proper trace
[19:51] <yofel> uhm
[19:51] <yofel> #6  0x00007f854ba9c91c in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgstreamer-0.10.so.0
[19:51] <yofel> that's not supposed to happen...
[19:51] <Riddell> um
[19:52] <Riddell> you might want to log out & in
[19:52] <yofel> I rebooted...
[19:52] <Riddell> hum
[19:52] <Riddell> do you still have phonon gstreamer 0.10 installed?
[19:53] <yofel> nope, that got removed by the 1.0 backend
[19:53] <yofel> un  phonon-backend-gstreamer                        <none>                       <none>                       (no description available)
[19:54] <yofel> Riddell: qtwebkit maybe?
[19:54] <Riddell> aah, that's why shadeslayer was so insistant on it
[19:55] <Riddell> yofel: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libqtwebkit4_2.3.2-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[19:57] <yofel> Riddell: much better :)
[19:58] <yofel> Riddell: seems to work fine
[20:00] <Riddell> yay
[20:01] <Riddell> but no automatic install of codecs
[20:01] <Riddell> but then libav will install if you tick the box at ubiquity
[20:01] <Riddell> hmm
[20:01] <Riddell> yofel: makes sense to try it for this beta?
[20:01] <yofel> is anyone else affected by chaning the gestreamer version for qt4?
[20:02] <yofel> *gstreamer
[20:02] <kdeuser56> when I change to a source directory I check out with apt-get source ... and run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b"  the package is rebuilt isn't it?
[20:02] <yofel> kdeuser56: dpkg-buildpackage will build it, right
[20:03] <Riddell> I think only kde stuff uses phonon
[20:03] <Riddell> skype and spotify use their own thing
[20:04] <yofel> libgstreamer0.10-0 has a bunch of rdepends, qtwebkit and phonon being 2 of those. We might be fine, but I'm personally not an audio expert
[20:05] <yofel> apachelogger: your opinion? ^
[20:08] <Riddell> there's nothing wrong with it having rdepends, you can have gstreamer 0.10 and 1.0 used that the same time
[20:08] <Riddell> just not in the same application preferably :)
[20:09] <Riddell> yofel: I think I'll upload unless you have any major objections
[20:10] <yofel> not really, but the plan should be to get rid of gstreamer0.10 from the image then, that way we can at least be sure our default install will be fine
[20:10] <Riddell> oh sure
[20:11] <Riddell> telepathy-haze might be the only thing that keeps it on
[20:15] <yofel> hm, should be fine, libpurple doesn't use phonon
[20:21] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.8.1
[20:21] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1296935
[20:33] <shadeslayer> hm
[20:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why does haze need 0.10?
[20:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: libpurple uses 0.10, haze uses libpurple
[20:34] <shadeslayer> and why does purple need 0.10
[20:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: presumably it's not ported
[20:55] <shadeslayer> a adventure beckons
[21:19] <yofel> tried building piding against gst1, just complains that audio/video support is missing and fails
[21:25] <shadeslayer> pft
[23:04] <Quintasan> THIS IS SUFFERING
[23:04] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Databases in goddamn MS Access.
[23:05] <Quintasan> and on embedded systems we're coding Xlets for goddamn MHP
[23:06] <Quintasan> the emulator doesnt work for half of the features and the devices are so old the manufacturer does not want to touch them
[23:06] <Quintasan> *rant mode off*