[00:55] <GH0> I am currently using iptables, however after a restart, my iptables list gets wiped/cleaned from something (not sure what). Is there a place to put an iptables command to automatically be accepted/used/applied after a reboot?
[00:56] <GH0> I know I can use init.rc script, but I don't think that is the most secure/proper way of doing it.
[00:56] <bazhang> GH0, #netfilter ; and please dont crosspost in ubuntu channels
[00:57] <GH0> Sorry, I figured it would have probably been better to ask here since I am using Kubuntu and not using Ubuntu.
[00:58] <GH0> I also have one other question. When I do "sudo kate" and open up a saved session I have. I have a couple of files that are always marked as R/O, even though if I nano or vi those same files I can commit changes. Why would kate refuse to let me write to file?
[00:59] <bazhang> !kdesu
[01:01] <GH0> bazhang, alright, but I have been using it fine up until now. So why would it drastically change like that?
[01:02] <GH0> Also, kdesudo does work fine, just trying to figure out why it magically stopped working.
[01:02] <bazhang> GH0, not sure, would need to know a bit more I suspect
[01:44] <coffee> alguem pode me ajudar ?
[01:47] <Coffee_> alguem pode me ajudar aqui ?
[01:49] <bazhang> brasil?
[01:51]  * genii-around makes a note to think about removing "coffee" from highlighting
[01:52] <rtdos> how do i re-init or reset kwallet or add apps to kwallet?
[02:21] <yihanxuan> hello
[02:22] <yihanxuan> could you please tell me how to use the system
[02:23] <yihanxuan> all right ,see you
[02:23] <yihanxuan> next time
[03:00] <darbe> hi
[03:00] <darbe> E: debsums: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[03:00] <darbe> how can I fix it
[03:00] <darbe> ?
[03:04] <darbe> any idea?
[03:04] <darbe> other than reinstal?
[04:00] <Whiskey`Wonka> muon is suddenly started saying something else is using the package system. any idea what causes this? (no, no other apckage system is running)
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> !aptlock
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> Whiskey`Wonka: ^
[04:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> no i did that already
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> Whiskey`Wonka: and I suppose apt-get also works?
[04:22] <Whiskey`Wonka> JontheEchidna: yes it does
[04:23] <JontheEchidna> hmmm
[04:23] <JontheEchidna> which version of Muon/Kubuntu?
[04:23] <Whiskey`Wonka> kubuntu 12, ill check muon
[04:23] <Whiskey`Wonka> muon 1.3.1
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> And would you happen to be trying to apply the latest updates available in 12.04?
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> at the time when you get the lock error
[04:24] <Whiskey`Wonka> well i was going to install a app, saw there were upgradable packages, so tried to do so
[04:25] <Whiskey`Wonka> and nada
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> ok, I think I'm seeing the same problem you are
[04:25] <Whiskey`Wonka> oh joy
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> I can install a single app just fine, but trying to upgrade the other packages gets the failure
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately that means it's probably widespread :(
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> Whiskey`Wonka: ah, running 64-bit?
[04:26] <Whiskey`Wonka> its at least reproducable under a unknown set of conditions
[04:26] <Whiskey`Wonka> yes i am
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> ok
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> oh, nevermind. probably not related
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> what's happening is that there's some other error that is being misreported
[04:28] <Whiskey`Wonka> i figured that be the case when nonthing i found worked
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> most likely one of the updates is failing to be marked or something
[04:29] <Whiskey`Wonka> well i had 251. i do not think i want to do them one at a time
[04:29] <JontheEchidna> I have 202 :(
[04:30] <JontheEchidna> I'll go through them and see
[04:30] <JontheEchidna> or maybe throw some debug printing into the worker and see if I can get more info
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> bleh
[04:34] <Whiskey`Wonka> heh
[04:40] <JontheEchidna> well at least it's not being reported as a lock error anymore: http://i.imgur.com/DRZgT.png :P
[04:44] <[Relic]> is there anyway of getting the flash plugin downloader and the other package which don't really exist on my system out of the apper thing so it quits screwing up updateS?
[04:45] <[Relic]> downloader and installer
[04:45] <[Relic]> the package listed was not found on your system or in any software origin
[04:51] <JontheEchidna> aaah
[04:51] <JontheEchidna> Whiskey`Wonka: it's akregator that's causing all the fuss
[04:55] <rtdos> how do i re-init or reset kwallet or add apps to kwallet?
[05:01] <JontheEchidna> Whiskey`Wonka: ok, I fixed it.
[05:02] <JontheEchidna> What was happening was that if you try to mark any single kdepim package for upgrade, it would fail since you didn't tell it to upgrade the kdepim libraries
[05:02] <JontheEchidna> apt-get does this too, which is a bit weird since the resolver is usually good at this. we must have hit a corner case
[05:02] <JontheEchidna> QApt already fixes this later on by marking the kdepim libs for upgrade, but we never cleared the original error we got from apt's "error store"
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> so the QApt worker thought there was an error and bailed
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> I'm running a test upgrade with a fix to make sure things don't blow up, but so far it's downloading things nicely :P
[05:16] <iCoffee> sacarlson:  have oth
[05:16] <iCoffee> have other program to do that ?
[05:16] <iCoffee> edit grub ?
[05:17] <iCoffee> do a better visual grub ?
[05:49] <georgelappies> morning all
[05:50] <georgelappies> is kmail in 4.8.2 precise all sorted now or is it still safer to use thunderbird?
[08:08] <excognac> hi all. a read only badblocks would be sudo badblocks -s /dev/whatever ?
[08:19] <excognac> to pose it a bit more smartly, can i use badblocks on a mounted fs i.e. my root and home partitions??
[08:21] <dviado> hello
[08:25] <madurax86> hello how can i make firefox use kde apps(when opening downloads ..etc) I have kde installed on ubuntu but need this isolation too(gnome apps are kind of slow to load)
[08:27] <excognac> madurax86: I'd say go to Edit/Preferences in Firefox and change the apps
[08:29] <madurax86> excognac so then would those apps open when im in gnome too? how can I have kde flavour of firefox?
[08:30] <excognac> madurax86: well, if you tell to firefox to use those apps, it will. Possibly there is a "global" solution but there you can certainly set them one by one
[08:31] <madurax86> excognac what if I use xdg-open?
[08:31] <excognac> madurax86: but you have installed those apps, right? More precisely, which one are those?
[08:32] <madurax86> excognac well the apps for opening zip files..etc now it just opens in file-roller but i want it to open it in ark..etc
[08:34] <excognac> madurax86: xdg-pen sounds correct
[08:35] <excognac> madurax86: *xdg-open
[08:36] <madurax86> excognac :)
[08:41] <metaladdict> hi any1 there that could help me with something
[08:41] <madurax86> metaladdict yes?
[08:42] <metaladdict> i need to do the following with a shell file, i need to compare 2 files and the diffrence needs to be out putted in a third file
[08:42] <metaladdict> but only the diffrence between the 2 files needs to be outputted in the third file
[08:42] <madurax86> metaladdict theres a tool for that called diff
[08:43] <madurax86> diff --help for bare help and man diff for more info
[08:43] <metaladdict> doesn't do what i want it to do, i only need the diffrence if i do diff new.txt old.txt > hello.txt i get the 2 sentences that are diffrent
[08:43] <metaladdict> but i needs the diffrence between the 2 to be out putted
[08:44] <madurax86> ahh
[08:44] <xcv_> metaladdict diff + grep?
[08:46] <metaladdict> diff | grep new.txt old.txt > new.txt?
[08:46] <xcv_> metaladdict: you could filter the results using regexes to filter the first character
[08:46] <xcv_> if you want only the results of the second file you can do
[08:47] <metaladdict> hmm
[08:47] <xcv_> diff new.txt old.txt | grep -E '^>' > old_differences.txt
[08:50] <metaladdict> i think that wil do the job thanks, ill have to test it  on couple of diffrent things
[08:51] <metaladdict> pretty sure this solved my problem thanks m8
[08:58] <xcv_> now I need help, can anybody help me with nepomuk?
[09:31] <sebastian_> hi, I've a small problem wit installing g++ (4:4.6.3-1ubuntu5):
[09:31] <madurax86> sebastian_ yes?
[09:31] <sebastian_> it halts after "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place"
[09:31] <sebastian_> nothing happends now
[09:32] <madurax86> sebastian_ is your dpkg db updated and without error?
[09:33] <sebastian_> madurax86: how do I know?
[09:33] <madurax86> sebastian_ did it say there were any errors before that hang?
[09:33] <sebastian_> nothing. it just freezes
[09:34] <sebastian_> sure, I can kill dpkg and try again, but I don't like  that
[09:34] <madurax86> sebastian_ have you added any new repositories?
[09:35] <sebastian_> no
[09:35] <sebastian_> fresh installed
[09:35] <madurax86> 12.04?
[09:35] <sebastian_> yep
[09:36] <madurax86> well i am using it too but havent encountered such a problem
[09:36] <sebastian_> k
[09:36] <sebastian_> < afk
[09:37] <sebastian_> ty
[09:37] <madurax86> you better kill it and try again do a --configure -a if asked
[09:45] <brenty> need help. have an hp laptop with an accelerometer built in. kde is picking it up as joystick. how do i disable it?
[09:46] <brenty> ST LIS3LV02DL Accelerometer (/dev/input/js0) this interferes with game emulators wanting the joystick there
[09:47] <brenty> where can i tell it to always be /js2 or disable it?
[09:59] <Thecaptain2000> hi, how can I set up an ftp service trough the http protocol?
[10:07] <mydogsnameisrudy> Thecaptain2000:  https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html      here is some info on ftp not sure if its what your looking to do
[10:08] <Thecaptain2000> thanks I will have a look
[10:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> and its 10.10 so make sure it works for your destro
[10:08] <Thecaptain2000> ok
[10:14] <mydogsnameisrudy> Thecaptain2000:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=858475   found this info also more to read ;)
[10:19] <Thecaptain2000> mydogsnameisrudy: thanks. I am trying to see if I can ftp in/out of a server using the HTTP protocol as I cannot ftp in or out from where I am atm
[10:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> are there open ports ?
[10:21] <Thecaptain2000> not sure
[10:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/   Thecaptain2000   could look here for ports
[10:45] <brenty>  lsmod | grep lis3lv02d
[10:45] <brenty> lis3lv02d              19888  1 hp_accel
[10:45] <brenty> input_polldev          13896  1 lis3lv02d
[10:45] <brenty> how do i disable this device?
[10:52] <brenty> #to disable  hp accelerometer!
[10:52] <brenty> #ls grep also tells us input_polldev          13896  1 lis3lv02d
[10:52] <brenty> blacklist hp_accel
[10:53] <brenty> add that to etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf !! ah ha ha I diabled the stupid built in accelerometer so now it doesnt interfere with my joysticks!!
[10:57] <brenty> now, is there a way to leave it enabled but have it always be /js2 for example???
[11:02] <brenty> ah here we go : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9974813
[11:03] <gribouille> hi
[11:03] <lordievader> gribouille, hey
[11:03] <gribouille> when will kde 4.8.2 packages be released?
[11:05] <brenty> not sure. i just used the kubuntu backports ppa to update to 4.8.1
[11:06] <lordievader> when my pc has booted I'll check what version I am running
[11:06] <brenty> isnt there some sort of release schedule they follow?
[11:07] <lordievader> not sure, I think not, but I could be wrong
[11:07] <brenty> all i know is i was awaiting 4.8.1 for some fixes, and sure enough those certain things were fixed
[11:07] <gribouille> kde 4.8.2 has been released yesterday
[11:07] <lordievader> nvm, they do have a schedule: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule
[11:08] <gribouille> brenty, you're lucky. I'm waiting for fixes that will certainly never happen
[11:08] <brenty> wow. so give it some time and it will show up in the kubuntu backports for 11.10
[11:09] <brenty> hey did they fix the network manager in 12.04 yet? last time i took it for a spin i couldnt bluetooth tether with it
[11:16] <gribouille> does someone use kmail here?
[11:16] <lordievader> Is BluesKaj online, he uses it.
[11:19] <lordievader> gribouille, I read here that 4.8.2 is in 12.04: http://linux-software-news-tutorials.blogspot.com/2012/04/kde-releases-new-version-482-which-will.html
[11:20] <gribouille> lordievader, I need 4.8.2 in 11.10
[11:21] <brenty> it should find its way to the kubuntu backports ppa shortly i would think
[11:21] <gribouille> hopefully
[11:21] <lordievader> that's what I think, just need to wait a few days
[11:23] <brenty> you could tread into merky waters and do a dist-upgrade to 12.04? me, i'd rather wait tell its sorted thru and oficially pushed to backports.
[11:24] <gribouille> brenty, do you mean do-release-upgrade?
[11:24] <lordievader> gribouille, why do you NEED it anyway?
[11:25] <gribouille> lordievader, I don't need it. I just hope it will fix a few bugs
[11:25] <lordievader> gribouille, like what bugs?
[11:25] <brenty> i guess. dont fancy me doing it tho. the network manager in 11.10 works for bluetooth tethering. doesnt work in 12.04 yet. i like sharing my phones connection with the laptop!
[11:25] <gribouille> lordievader, kmail bugs
[11:26] <lordievader> the one when it launches and chrashes?
[11:26] <lordievader> crashes*
[11:26] <gribouille> lordievader, no. a problem with mail filters
[11:29] <brenty> when someone asks how to disable the built in accelerometer so its not seen as a joystick tell them to add blacklist hp_accel  to etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf !!
[11:29] <bluebird> how do i get the open windows for multitasking
[11:31] <bluebird> i was using browser and terminal, browser was active and something i pressed showed both terminal and browser in a greyout way over the desktop and i could select one
[11:32] <bluebird> so  how do  i  get that again
[11:33] <rtdos> how do i re-init or reset kwallet or add apps to kwallet?
[11:35] <AlfE_> hello
[11:35] <lordievader> AlfE_, Hey
[11:35] <AlfE_> how can i set the super key to open the k menu?
[11:35] <lordievader> I wanted that too, didn
[11:36] <lordievader> didn't figure it out, had to be a combination...
[11:36] <bluebird> do you guys know the answer for my doubt?
[11:37] <lordievader> Look in system settings -> desktop effects, it is probably something in there
[11:59] <Peace-> AlfE_: you can't
[11:59] <Peace-> AlfE_: the only to get that is to switch to lancelot launcher
[12:00] <AlfE_> i see
[12:01] <Peace-> AlfE_: if you plan to use lancelot  just create a shortcut with this command
[12:01] <Peace-> qdbus org.kde.lancelot /Lancelot show
[12:01] <Peace-> it should work
[12:02] <Peace-> the standard launcher doesn't accept qdbus call i guess
[12:02] <Peace-> and infact using qdbusviewer there is not method to do that
[12:04] <AlfE_> thanks a lot
[12:21] <Peace-> AlfE_: btw the correct commandit's qdbus org.kde.lancelot /MainApplication org.kde.lancelot.App.show 0 0
[12:57] <bluebird> i cant set the picture as my desktop wallpaper without going to desktop  setting
[12:57] <bluebird> is there another easy way
[12:58] <bluebird> like in windows
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:19] <rtdos> how do i re-init or reset kwallet or add apps to kwallet?
[13:43] <Aprogas> I need help setting up my wireless on Kubuntu.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo/Kubuntu seems outdated and I'm not sure how much of it I can still use.  I'm mostly looking for up-to-date documentation telling me what to do.
[13:49] <Peace-> Aprogas: doesn't work out of the box?
[13:50] <Aprogas> I'm completely new, so maybe I just don't know where to look.  I'm expecting either the desktop or netbook KDE plasma shell to have some GUI to select wireless networks and such.
[13:50] <Aprogas> It might work with command-line tools, but I'm not really looking for that.
[13:51] <Peace-> Aprogas: well if you click on the network icon you should have this
[13:51] <Peace-> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/05/plasma-desktopBR5923.png
[13:52] <Aprogas> I'll try rebooting. During boot, something said something about waiting 60 seconds for a network to come up. Maybe not being connected to anything, caused some stuff to not be loaded.
[13:52] <Aprogas> I don't even see that network icon, although I have seen it before in VirtualBox on my test-install.
[13:53] <Peace-> Aprogas: let me see your desktop
[13:53] <Peace-> do a screenshot
[13:53] <Aprogas> I'm currently still booting.
[13:57] <Aprogas> http://i.imgur.com/oOMEf.jpg
[13:57] <Aprogas> Silly imgur converting to JPEG again.
[13:59] <Peace-> Aprogas: ok righ click on the panel
[13:59] <Peace-> add widget
[13:59] <Peace-> search for network
[13:59] <Aprogas> Network Monitor?
[14:00] <cinde> I just installed Kubuntu 11.10 on my laptop. Is there a way to set it that I do not have to use a password to get onto my network everytime I reboot. I tried to disable KDE Wallet, but now it doesn't store my password for router.
[14:00] <Peace-> Aprogas: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/05/plasma-desktopuZ5923.png
[14:00] <Aprogas> I don't have that in my widget list. What is the package name?
[14:01] <Aprogas> The only widget matching to "network" is "Network Monitor", "wifi" and "wireless" give no matches.
[14:01] <Peace-> Aprogas: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/05/plasma-desktoppR6146.png
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Aprogas,  what about networkmanager
[14:03] <Aprogas> I'm installing the plasma widget now.
[14:04] <Aprogas> The install of Kubuntu on my laptop went differently than in VirtualBox.
[14:05] <Aprogas> On my laptop it asked me which packages to install, I chose "OpenSSH Server" and "Kubuntu Desktop" and "Manual selection" but in the manual selection, I didn't change anything and just exited.
[14:05] <Aprogas> Now I seem to have dragged something around in my plasma that I shouldn't.
[14:06] <Aprogas> The systray icons are behind a transparent "$x running apps"
[14:08] <Peace-> Aprogas: that becuase you are lackin of some packages
[14:08] <Aprogas> Lacking packages causes the plasma items to overlay on eachother?
[14:09] <Peace-> Aprogas: nope
[14:09] <Peace-> Aprogas: screenshot?
[14:09] <Aprogas> I already fixed it by dragging stuff around again.
[14:09] <Peace-> Aprogas: you would run plasma-desktop instead of plasma-mobile
[14:09] <Peace-> or plasma-netbook
[14:10] <Aprogas> Although I seem to have some placeholder-empty-box now.
[14:10] <Aprogas> I'm still doubting between desktop and netbook.
[14:10] <Peace-> plasma-desktop
[14:12] <Aprogas> This screen is only 11.6" or so.
[14:12] <Peace-> Aprogas: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/05/plasma-desktopoJ6146.png
[14:13] <rtdos> how do i re-init or reset kwallet or add apps to kwallet?
[14:14] <Peace-> rtdos: click on kde icon
[14:14] <Peace-> search for kwallet
[14:14] <Peace-> run kwalletsettings
[14:14] <cinde> I just installed Kubuntu 11.10 on my laptop. Is there a way to set it that I do not have to use a password to get onto my network everytime I reboot. I tried to disable KDE Wallet, but now it doesn't store my password for router.
[14:14] <Aprogas> Maybe I should mention I am running Kubuntu 12.04 Beta 2.
[14:15] <Peace-> rtdos: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/05/plasma-desktopdZ6293.png
[14:15] <rtdos> Peace- tried that. even tried resetting kwallet settings to default.
[14:15] <Peace-> rtdos: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/05/plasma-desktopRt6293.png
[14:16] <Peace-> cinde: you need to restore kwallet
[14:16] <Peace-> cinde: instead to put another password on kwallper just leave it empty
[14:16] <Peace-> kwallet
[14:17] <rtdos> reinstall kwallet ?
[14:17] <cinde> Thank you Peace
[14:17] <Peace-> cinde:  have you this ?  http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/05/plasma-desktopdZ6293.png
[14:18] <Peace-> rtdos: open dolphin
[14:19] <Peace-> rtdos: go here $HOME/.kde/share/config/
[14:19] <Peace-> rtdos: rename that file http://wstaw.org/m/2012/04/05/plasma-desktopSS6293.png
[14:19] <Aprogas> After another reboot I got an icon for network management in the systray. Now my next step is getting my other wireless NIC to work on Linux.
[14:20] <rtdos> don't delete it, just rename it?
[14:20] <Peace-> rtdos:  i am a linux user not a windows user , deleting is always dangerous
[14:20] <cinde> Peace, that page wouldn't come up for me
[14:21] <rtdos> OK. Done.
[14:21] <Peace-> rtdos: logout login
[14:21] <Peace-> cinde: ?
[14:21] <cinde> The link you sent me wouldn't open up
[14:22] <Peace-> cinde: that was not for you btw
[14:22] <cinde> Peace, OK, sorry
[14:22] <rtdos> ok will do, thanks. Peace-
[14:22] <Peace-> rtdos: every config files are on that folder
[14:23] <Peace-> rtdos: renaming all $HOME/.kde you will get the system like you have just installed
[14:23] <Peace-> so without your config
[14:35] <rtdos> so far so good.
[15:37]  * Peace- is away: Gone away for now
[16:30] <excognac> HI ALL, anyone has reliable info about 12.04 stable release?
[16:30] <excognac> HI ALL, anyone has reliable info about 12.04 stable release?
[16:31] <lordievader> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:31] <lordievader> There is no use in repeating ones question every 5 seconds.
[16:31] <bazhang> excognac, #ubuntu+1 for that please
[16:31] <excognac> bazhang: ok
[16:47] <loki_> hey
[16:47] <loki_> what is the latest stable kubuntu?
[16:48] <loki_> what version is the last kubuntu i can get with do-release-upgrade ?
[16:48] <bazhang> 11.10 loki_
[16:48] <lordievader> loki_, 11.10
[16:48] <mr-rich> 11.04
[16:48] <loki_> k
[16:48] <mr-rich> oops
[16:48] <mr-rich> 11.10
[16:48] <mr-rich> 12.04 due out soon
[16:48] <loki_> i did an upgrade and i had some errors now i am at 11.04
[16:48] <loki_> i will try again
[16:48] <lordievader> you could also wait a while and update too 12.04
[16:49] <mr-rich> 12.04 will be an LTS version for 5 years ...
[16:49] <loki_> when i do do-release-upgrade it gets me to the next version
[16:49] <loki_> not the last version
[16:49] <loki_> so i have to go through all versions
[16:49] <lordievader> gott go
[16:49] <lordievader> gotta*
[17:12] <BluesKaj> well, I removed all the akonadi config files , but that didn't help , renamed ~/.kde , but that doesn't work either so no kmail for this pc :P
[17:26] <BluesKaj> !kopete
[17:27]  * Peace- is back.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Peace-, I removed all the akonadi config files , but that didn't help , renamed ~/.kde , but that doesn't work either so no kmail for this pc :P
[17:32] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mm
[17:32] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :) dunno
[17:56] <ronnoc> With the 4.8.2 updates, changing the icon for an Activity works again \m/
[18:17] <cinde> My update manager came up saying I had important updates. When I clicked to open it I got this message: Not all packages could be marked for upgrade. The available upgrades may require new packages to be installed or removed. Do you want to mark upgrades that may require the installation or removal of additional packages? If I click "Mark Upgrades" it shuts down the update manager. If I click "No" It stays up, but if I try to tick any
[18:17] <cinde> of the boxes, and click upgrade, it closes out update manager.
[19:37] <designbybeck> So I know there is all this hype about the new Unbuntu Unity 12.04 and such....any new changes in Kubuntu 12.04?
[19:38] <adminy> привет
[19:38] <Unit193> !ru | adminy
[19:38] <adminy> а зачем?
[19:40] <delac> in firefox, every time I click toolbar and select customize, firefox starts to consume lots of cpu time and doing any customizations to the toolbar is impossible. any thoughts?
[19:41] <schultza> is there official support for kubuntu since canonical dropped it?
[19:43] <ronnoc> schultza: As in paid support?
[19:43] <schultza> no... not paid... i thought they dropped the kubuntu from the "official" repositories... or at least updating it
[19:44] <designbybeck> hmmm
[19:44] <designbybeck> but there were no big plans or changes in the works?
[19:44] <schultza> i dont know... thats why i was asking... is someone keeping kubuntu up-to-date?
[19:45] <delac> poll: does the toolbar->customize in firefox work for anyone (kubuntu users)?
[19:45] <delac> *on firefox 11
[19:48] <delac> not much firefox users around here, huh?
[19:49] <ronnoc_> designbybeck: Not really any staggering changes, aside from the awesome KDE updates, since 12.04 is a 5 year LTS for Kubuntu
[19:51] <ronnoc> designbybeck: Any "big" changes, such as moving to Telepathy from Kopete, etc. will be saved for 12.10 because it is not an official "LTS" release
[20:03] <avihay> delac: Seems to be working fine for me
[20:04] <avihay> 32Bit
[20:05] <delac> avihay: thanks
[20:33] <lesha> HI All!)
[20:33] <lordievader> lesha, hey
[20:34] <lesha> Where are you from?
[20:34] <lordievader> lesha, for offtopic conversations there is the #kubuntu-offtopic channel (I am there too btw)
[20:34] <lesha> Ok
[20:35] <lesha> i'm so sorry for offtopic messeage
[21:19] <DragoniaX_KDE> hello why does mp3 not work @ amarok ? :( downloaded the codecs shown in the popup and not working....
[21:23] <Daskreech> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | DragoniaX_KDE
[22:25] <atome> Hi there
[22:27] <atome> I'm on kubuntu 11.10 I recently update the kernel via apt (3.0.0-18-generic) and since this time all is completly crashy
[22:27] <atome> ow can I downgrade proprely my kernel ??
[22:49] <JMichaelX> atome: unless you removed them, previous kernels are likely still installed. in the grub menu, you could choose to boot into one of the older kernels


[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:15] <elfy> morning dpm dholbach
[08:19] <dpm> hey elfy
[08:19] <dholbach> hi elfy
[09:42]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[14:02] <belkinsa> ian-weisser, Ubuntu leadership meeting happing now in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:00] <dholbach> team call?
[16:01] <popey> yeah
[16:01] <popey> laptop slow
[16:01] <popey>   PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND
[16:01] <popey> 14625 alan      20   0 3541180 1.646g 117480 R  92.4 10.6 754:48.76 firefox
[16:01] <popey>  2061 root      20   0<PHONE_NUMBER>96 198176 R  86.8  1.6 992:47.92 Xorg
[16:01] <popey> 15404 alan      20   0 2699076 1.045g  93300 S  47.4  6.7  78:07.97 firefox
[16:01] <popey> jeez :(
[16:46] <ian-weisser> belkinsa: Sorry to miss your ping; I was out.
[16:49] <ian-weisser> Meeting didn't make it onto my calendar, sorry.
[17:06] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[22:13] <pleia2> I have a local asking me for a Canonical contact for OIL - specifically to help convince his manager to be a part of the program, anyone have any idea where I can point them?
[22:58] <pleia2> jono: I expect you can't come (it's on a Sunday) but a note to your local contacts about a QA Jam we're having in SF next month would help us out a lot :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2984-ubuntu-california-san-francisco-qa-jam/
[22:59] <jono> pleia2, you got it :-)
[23:00] <pleia2> thank you!
[23:00] <jono> pleia2, I will see if I can get along too
[23:00] <jono> things are getting easier with Jack now
[23:01] <pleia2> jono: that would be great, it's over at Gandi on 2nd street, super easy to get to on BART
[23:01] <jono> oh nice!
[23:01] <jono> I will see if Erica can take care of him for a bit :-)
[23:01] <pleia2> \o/
[23:02] <elfy> pleia2: re that ^^ if I can be about in channel on sunday evening I will be
[23:03] <elfy> I'll need a poke and prod though
[23:03] <elfy> and hi jono :)
[23:03] <pleia2> elfy: that would be appreciated :) I always need help figuring out what to file bugs against
[23:03] <jono> hey elfy!
[23:03] <jono> :-)
[23:03] <elfy> pleia2: so do I ...
[23:04] <elfy> jono: how's the nipper - nipping along nicely I trust :)
[23:04] <jono> elfy, nipping along like mad :-)
[23:04] <jono> we have all been sick sadly, but now getting over it
[23:05] <jono> preschool is brutal
[23:05] <elfy> lol
[23:05] <jono> it is The Hunger Games for the human body
[23:05] <jono> applied to small children
[23:05] <elfy> I am SO glad I don't have to do all that - "kid picked up bug - we got it" ever again
[23:06] <jono> no kidding
[23:06] <jono> I have done OK, my wife got slammed
[23:06] <jono> hit her hard
[23:06] <elfy> I do love them at that age - they are like sponges - you just have to not swear :D
[23:06] <elfy> oooh - I can feel her pain
[23:07] <elfy> oh ... trying to remember which now ...
[23:07] <elfy> I *think* it was chicken-pox at 26
[23:07] <elfy> it was
[23:08] <pleia2> my husband got shingles last year out of nowhere
[23:08] <pleia2> pro tip: rash and muscle soreness in your torso are related :)
[23:09] <elfy> yea - shingles can be nasty
[23:09] <elfy> I think I've had most of the not really horrid 1st world things - born and schooled before vaccinations
[23:10] <elfy> the only one I really remember is measles when I was 5 - which was a while ago
[23:10] <pleia2> I only had chicken pox, landed when my youngest sister was born so we couldn't go to the hospital and see her :(
[23:11] <elfy> :(
[23:11] <pleia2> was ok though, I was barely sick
[23:11] <pleia2> or too excited about new sibling to care
[23:12] <pleia2> you know kids, bouncy
[23:12] <elfy> I do remember being really quite ill with measles
[23:12] <elfy> I'm the eldest of 6 - I know all about bouncy :|
[23:16] <jono> ugh
[23:16] <jono> never fun :-)
[23:16] <jono> pleia2, shingles is horrible
[23:16] <jono> a friend of mine had it
[23:16] <jono> I didn't realize how awful it can be to experience it
[23:16] <pleia2> jono: yeah :\
[23:16] <jono> pleia2, did it take him long to recover?
[23:16] <pleia2> great for old man jokes though (after the worst was over :))
[23:16] <jono> hah
[23:16] <pleia2> jono: a couple months
[23:16] <jono> indeed :-)
[23:17] <jono> oh yikes
[23:17] <pleia2> he had it for 2 weeks before he saw a doctor
[23:17] <jono> glad he is better
[23:17] <jono> ahhh gotcha
[23:17] <elfy> lol
[23:17] <elfy> what sort of wif ...
[23:17] <pleia2> he'd been traveling a lot, so figured soreness and rash was just something he picked up ("what do you do on those trips, husband?!")
[23:17] <elfy> oh nvm :D
[23:17] <elfy> pleia2: LOL
[23:18] <jono> lol


[03:15] <Nikesh> elimisteve: any info linux on the ASUS C300? It seems to have a slower processor but overall cheaper and in my opinion looks more attractive
[03:15] <nhaines> !devices
[03:16] <Nikesh> nhaines: elimisteve and i were previously talking about ubuntu on chromebooks
[03:17] <nhaines> Ah.
[03:22] <krabador> ok, people, i know about "when it's ready " approach, on software development, but "when the new porting guide it's ready"? :D
[03:26] <krabador> preview porting guide mentioned android 10.1 ad driver base , it will be the same in the new?
[03:27] <nhaines> Hopefully this week.  And we'll know about the base when the new porting guide comes out.
[03:56] <krabador> ok, why no more saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip file, but only vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz ?
[04:08] <wxl> krabador: saucy's eol?
[04:11] <krabador> wxl, i mean not "saucy" "trusty" or what the future will have
[04:11] <krabador> i mean the .zip file
[04:11] <wxl> krabador: where you seeing this?
[04:12] <krabador> wxl, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[04:12] <krabador> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[04:13] <krabador> with the firs, i can flash it on my gs2 with cm-10.1-20131129-UNOFFICIAL-i9100.zip
[04:14] <wxl> hm good question
[04:14] <wxl> it sure looks like zips haven't been happening for years
[04:15] <wxl> but since you don't need the device-specific build (e.g. mako), you should be able to untar and then zip and you'dbe good
[04:17] <krabador> wxl,  zip have a meta-inf folder
[04:17] <krabador> that tar.gz havent
[04:17] <krabador> and it seems are build specific
[04:18] <wxl> i have a suspicion that's circumstantial
[04:18] <wxl> in any case, that hasn't existed in 2 years so i suggest trying to find some other solution
[04:18] <krabador> wxl, .zip file it's recovery flashable
[04:19] <krabador> i'm here to ask that , if some touch developer here, can explain me about
[04:20] <wxl> what is the specific question?
[04:20] <krabador> why no more .zip file.
[04:20] <wxl> isn't that irrelevant? :)
[04:20] <wxl> if it's gone, it's gone
[04:21] <krabador> if it's gone, it's because something. a reason that can help me to understand how can i move
[04:22] <krabador> i'm not properly religious , in that type of thinfs.
[04:22] <wxl> my suspicion is that there was no need for it in light of the currently supported devices for ubuntu touch
[04:22] <krabador> things.
[04:22] <dobey> ubuntu phone images are no longer based on CM
[04:22] <dobey> they're based on AOSP
[04:23] <krabador> dobey, then portings how can be released?
[04:23] <dobey> generic images can't be supported for phones. one must build a custom image with the drivers in the image, for a specific device
[04:23] <dobey> a new porting guide should hopefully be going up on the web site soon
[04:25] <krabador> really great
[04:26] <dobey> only advice i can offer, is to wait for that
[04:27] <krabador> dobey, ok, but when images was based on cm, driver stuff was used from cm
[04:29] <wxl> krabador: yes, but it's not, so…
[04:29] <krabador> today's armhf images, support the same amomunt, of hardware?
[04:29] <dobey> krabador: drivers are provided by manufacturers. if a cm kernel was available for your device that included those drivers, then it might have worked. if the manufacturer provides drivers that work with AOSP then it should work fine as well
[04:30] <krabador> dobey, yes, my device was in this situation, cm kernel supporting it, but less manifacturer support
[04:31] <krabador> *it's
[04:32] <dobey> unless someone else has already done a newer port to your device, i think the best answer is "wait for the new porting guide to appear"
[04:33] <dobey> anyway, now i must go
[04:41] <krabador> ok, thanx for your time
[08:35] <tsdgeos> popey: ping
[09:11] <mvo> bzoltan_: good morning! click is available in the landing-013 ppa, would you have time to test if its good for the SDK? i.e. if all the bits are in there now that you need?
[09:11] <mvo> bzoltan_: I will do the testing on the phone once I managed to flash it again
[09:11] <bzoltan_> mvo:  I have done it already :)
[09:11] <mvo> bzoltan_: woah, you rock
[09:11] <bzoltan_> mvo:  I am motivated :) I need that click
[09:13] <mvo> bzoltan_: ok, if you (or someone in your team) could test it on the phone that would help me, I killed my phone and currently struggle to get it back to live (even ubuntu-device-flash --boostrap in fastboot mode does not work right now and complains it can't enter recovery - but I'm not a phone wizz :/)
[09:13] <bzoltan_> mvo: OK, leave it to me
[09:14] <mvo> \o/
[09:14] <ogra_> mvo, probably because fastboot mode isnt recovery :)
[09:37] <elimisteve> Does anyone know how I can tell my Ubuntu Touch device to vibrate via some API call?
[09:39] <mvo> bzoltan_: ogra_ helped me getting my phone issues sorted, I should be able to work on this too soon!
[09:39] <popey> tsdgeos: pong
[09:39] <elimisteve> only at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/ do I see anything about vibration patterns, but that's for push notifications
[09:39] <tsdgeos> popey: i missed a bzr/launchpad link when reading your email about the document viewer
[09:42] <popey> tsdgeos: lp:~verzegnassi-stefano/ubuntu-docviewer-app/document-hub/
[09:43] <NikTh> Hello all. Someone here who is getting a blank screen with a cursor only when tried this ?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[09:44] <tsdgeos> popey: i could have found it, i mean next time it may be a good idea to have it in the email so peoepl might not do one extra click/search :)
[09:46] <popey> tsdgeos: added to http://people.canonical.com/~alan/docviewer/readme.txt (which was linked from the mail)
[09:46] <tsdgeos> :)
[09:59] <aLeSD> hi all
[10:00] <aLeSD> is it possible ot install  ubuntu-touch on bq aquaris 4 ?
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Innovation Day! :-D
[10:02] <popey> aLeSD: no, the 4 isn't a supported device.
[10:04] <aLeSD> popey, what's the problem ? Drivers ?
[10:05] <popey> aLeSD: nobody has ported to that device
[10:09] <elimisteve> asked my vibration question on askubuntu.com
[10:13] <Guest74758> How can I run ubuntu on SumSung note3 mobile phone?
[10:14] <icewalk> hello guys
[10:14] <icewalk> how can run ubuntu on phone?
[10:22] <Siilwyn> icewalk, you can by running it on a newer Nexus device. Or buying the BQ phone which has it pre-installed.
[10:23] <aLeSD> Nexus 9 ?
[10:28] <newbuntuer> would anyone be so kind to give me some hints as to install ubuntu on the bq?
[10:28] <newbuntuer> as to how* to
[10:28] <rpadovani> newbuntuer, what's wrong with https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ ?
[10:29] <rpadovani> newbuntuer, (as long as you talking about acquaris e 4.5)
[10:31] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ when you will review the settings ui branch, if I'm online, could you please ping me? I would like to discuss (have a suggestion tbh) about a detail of the qml implementation
[10:31] <newbuntuer> kinda has less info on that specific device
[10:31] <newbuntuer> can't get all the steps done
[10:31] <rpadovani> newbuntuer, where do you stuck?
[10:31] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, will do, as soon as I catch up with everything that happened while I was away
[10:31] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, how are your eyes btw?
[10:32] <newbuntuer> I need the exact working version in images
[10:32] <newbuntuer> lots of people bricked theirs by trying a wrong one
[10:32] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, only the right one atm, left one next 18 Mar. Good, I don't 100% yet but no pain and light doesn't hurt me anymore
[10:32] <rpadovani> thanks for asking :-)
[10:34] <newbuntuer> hope you recover soon
[10:34] <newbuntuer> is it any painful to recover from that? or bothersome?
[10:36] <popey> newbuntuer: which bq?
[10:37] <rpadovani> newbuntuer, if you have Acquaris E4.5 the right command for flash is
[10:37] <rpadovani> ubuntu-device-flash touch ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 --device krillin
[10:38] <popey> that wont work for retail bought E4.5
[10:38] <rpadovani> newbuntuer, nah, it isn't painful, only annoying because for 3/4 days you have to stay in the darkness
[10:38] <rpadovani> popey, why not?
[10:38] <popey> because its locked
[10:38] <popey> I think
[10:38] <popey> yours is unlocked
[10:38] <rpadovani> well, but newbuntuer said he is stucked at flash step here
[10:39] <rpadovani> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[10:39] <rpadovani> so he should already unlocked the device
[10:39] <popey> well, newbuntuer which device?
[10:39] <newbuntuer> E4.5
[10:39] <popey> did you unlock it somehow?
[10:39] <newbuntuer> hardware wise, they are the same, it "should work"
[10:40] <newbuntuer> bqs are unlocked from factory iirc
[10:40] <davmor2> newbuntuer: E4.5 on android, if so you would need bq to provide an image you can flash using their flash tool
[10:40] <popey> I don't believe they are.
[10:42] <newbuntuer> has anyone done that on the E4.5 before? anyone here I mean
[10:43] <popey> i dont think so, no.
[11:00] <newbuntuer> I see, so I'm out in the wild then
[11:00] <newbuntuer> :P
[11:05] <popey> newbuntuer: well, the answer is, buy a bq ubuntu phone ㋛
[11:12] <newbuntuer> sure, buying the device twice is always a good solution :)
[11:17] <jgdx> when's the next flash sale?
[11:17] <Elleo> jgdx: I don't think its been announced yet
[11:17] <jgdx> ack
[11:19] <monkeyslut> Hi guys. I need som wifi help, if you have it
[11:20] <monkeyslut> I\m running ubuntu touch on a Nexus 5, and can\t connect to Wifi ch.13
[11:20] <monkeyslut> have been trying to get iw installed, but apt-get apparently doesnt work
[11:21] <popey> jgdx: bq said on twitter that it would be this week
[11:21] <popey> monkeyslut: the image is read-only by default, so yes, apt wont work
[11:22] <popey> dobey: you have nexus 5? is wifi broken on it?
[11:22] <monkeyslut> nah, not broken. its just that I cannot connect to channel 13
[11:22] <monkeyslut> since the image is registered as a USA device, where channel 13 is forbidden
[11:24] <popey> ahhh
[11:24] <monkeyslut> the advice Ive found online is to use iw reg set to change it, but iw isnt installed, and apt-get doesnt work...
[11:24] <jgdx> popey, thanks. Hope it's outside EU this time as well.
[11:24] <popey> jgdx: I suspect it's exactly the same store, just more stock
[11:24] <popey> jgdx: where you based?
[11:25] <popey> monkeyslut: you can make it read-write, but then you break OTA update process a bit. You could just grab the iw binary from the package?
[11:25] <jgdx> popey, Norway
[11:25] <jgdx> oh well
[11:25] <popey> i know Mirv asked about sending to finland, but not sure about norway
[11:25] <monkeyslut> popey, thats of course right, might work, hadnt thought of that
[11:26] <monkeyslut> Ill google the how-tos and try it, thanks for the help!
[11:26] <Mirv> popey: jgdx: Finland was added during that day and I actually managed to order mine, Norway might be of course more problematic for them since it's outside EU
[11:27] <popey> yeah
[11:31] <jgdx> Mirv, right.. but it's _so_ close though.
[11:31] <jgdx> I'll ask them directly.
[11:32] <Mirv> jgdx: I asked in their support chat on the website, and they confirmed they're adding it. someone also asked on Twitter.
[11:40] <jgdx> Mirv, cool, thank you!
[11:41] <Mirv> jgdx: to clarify, when I asked about Finland, to tip where you could ask too :) sorry if you already hoped for good news..
[11:42] <Mirv> the support chat exceeded my expectations since they really had info at hand, maybe they would have on Norway too since I'm sure there have been several requests on the shipping countries lately
[11:43] <davmor2> jgdx: order it at timo's address and ask him nicely to forward it :)
[11:43] <Mirv> :)
[11:46] <jgdx> Mirv, ah. /me goes for more coffee.
[11:46] <jgdx> davmor2, what about your place? you have a lot of free time :p
[11:47] <popey> No good, his house is full of lego and wool.
[11:48] <davmor2> popey: no it isn't only the office is full of lego and wool :P
[11:48] <popey> :)
[11:48] <popey> given I only ever see your house via your webcam, I believe the rest of the house doesn't exist :)
[11:49] <davmor2> popey: hahahaha
[11:50] <popey> Have you ever seen the flim "Source Code"? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0945513/ ?
[11:50] <davmor2> popey: well downstairs is kitchen and living room, kitchen is full of Kitchenaid stuff so Sue can do baking, and the Livingroom is mostly Corner settee and cds and dvd/blurays 3000 isn't a lot right?
[11:52] <popey> heh
[11:52] <davmor2> well techincally 2987 close enough in my book :)
[11:54] <davmor2> popey: yes
[11:55] <davmor2> popey: it is more vanilla skies-esq than actual coding
[11:55] <davmor2> popey: or loopers maybe, or timecop
[11:55] <davmor2> popey: does that help
[11:55] <popey> yeah, i like it.
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: you might like the others too then
[11:56] <popey> not seen vanilla skies
[11:56] <popey> seen loopers and timecop
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: you might also like limitless
[11:56] <popey> ta
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: also Lucy which has the worlds weirdest ending
[11:57]  * popey adds to list
[11:59] <davmor2> popey: minority report too that is iroboty crossed with timecop
[12:01] <davmor2> popey: also if you haven't seen it now you see me
[12:04] <Myself5> popey, is there meanwhile a updated guide for porting Ubuntu Touch
[12:04] <Myself5> ?
[12:04] <popey> Myself5: its in progress.
[12:06] <Myself5> hum k
[12:07] <Myself5> a friend told me what I need to do but the phone does not boot at all
[12:07] <popey> Myself5: it's currently being reviewed, but a few people are on vacation today so I can't get you a full update
[12:08] <Myself5> I am not sure but it might related to my phone using a custom mkbootimg I guess
[12:08] <Myself5> can you at least verify if the install process on the page is correct ?
[12:09] <popey> what page?
[12:09] <popey> and what device?
[12:10] <Myself5> searching at the moment .. I can't find it anymore
[12:11] <Myself5> device is Sony Xperia Z2 codename sirius
[12:11] <Myself5> I used the official sony AOSP 4.4.4 device trees and compiled a Ubuntu Touch build
[12:12] <Myself5> then fastboot flashed the boot.img the cache.img and the system.img
[12:14] <Myself5> and then run the tool to install the ubuntu prebuilt thingy
[12:17] <popey> ah okay.
[12:17] <popey> nice device!
[12:17] <popey> I'd love a sony device running ubuntu touch.
[12:17] <Myself5> yeah.. me too :D
[12:18] <Myself5> thats why I wanted to port it :D
[12:18] <popey> well, I'm sure the porting guide will be available soon, sorry it's taken so long.
[12:18] <popey> turns out it's not a straightforward document to craft
[12:19] <Myself5> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building
[12:19] <Myself5> the Flashing the Image part
[12:19] <Myself5> I flashed system.img in addition
[12:20] <Myself5> also this guy could gt a update too, as the newest version is vivid not utopic as usual
[12:20] <Myself5> *as used there
[12:21] <sturmflut-work> popey, mzanetti, rpadovani: https://plus.google.com/102486542947898431342/posts/AE7m1rdR6Jm any additions or corrections?
[12:22] <popey> sturmflut-work: for "games" you should add "port all of simon tathams puzzles"
[12:22] <popey> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/
[12:22] <popey> those
[12:22] <sturmflut-work> popey: Ooooh!
[12:22] <popey> oooh indeed
[12:22] <popey> js versions on that page work fine, just need the UI work
[12:23] <Myself5> popey, would it be possible to take a look at the yet to be verified guide ?
[12:23] <popey> sturmflut-work: fyi, file manager is getting samba support
[12:23] <popey> Myself5: it's not my document, so no, sorry.
[12:23]  * sturmflut-work takes notes
[12:23] <Myself5> ok :(
[12:24] <popey> sturmflut-work: also, there is a checkers game... https://launchpad.net/checkers
[12:24] <popey> sturmflut-work: would be good for someone to update as I know Filippo is busy.
[12:25] <popey> sturmflut-work: samegame exists https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.ken-vandine.samegame
[12:25] <sturmflut-work> popey: Okay, it was not in the app store so I overlooked it, but I'll add a link
[12:25] <popey> yeah
[12:25] <Myself5> popey, let me know when there is a possibility to take a look at the documentary :P
[12:25] <popey> sturmflut-work: can you add "Prey" to things that need porting.
[12:25] <popey> Myself5: ask david calle when he's around. it's his
[12:25]  * sturmflut-work furiously scribbles notes
[12:26] <popey> sturmflut-work: https://preyproject.com/
[12:26] <popey> sturmflut-work: on the subject of backup / data sync - See Syncthing
[12:26] <popey> it works on the phone, but application lifecycle kills it in the background
[12:27] <popey> would be nice to have a lifecycle exception of some kind for these kinds of sync services
[12:27] <popey> if we made Syncthing the _blessed_ one, I think that would be awesome.
[12:27] <popey> as it's FOSS, so beats dropbox, btsync and friends to a cocked hat
[12:27] <popey> and could ship by default.
[12:28] <popey> sturmflut-work: on the subject of shazam, Elleo made https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/com.mikeasoft.eyrie
[12:28] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: "Ports of popular open source apps" <-- I think the second entry for that should be 'closed source'
[12:29] <Elleo> popey: yeah, the echoprint database isn't terribly comprehensive though
[12:29] <uuhimhere> when do you use cpio and when do you use tar?
[12:29] <popey> uuhimhere: i haven't used cpio for years
[12:30] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: for fitbit mzanetti has uFit and a scope (no syncing though)
[12:30] <popey> sturmflut-work: tic-tac-toe https://github.com/jamesodhunt/qml-noughts-and-crosses
[12:30] <uuhimhere> popey well the bootimg file for my phone uses cpio
[12:30] <popey> sturmflut-work: correlate this list of things that people made a while back but may not have updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Collection
[12:30] <popey> uuhimhere: retro!
[12:30] <popey> we should probably wipe that page as we no longer use the ppa
[12:31] <uuhimhere> popey, i believe most samsung uses it
[12:31] <popey> but nice reference of stuff people have don
[12:31] <popey> \o/ lunch
[12:32] <Elleo> popey: was just thinking it might be worth trying to setup some sort of 'community porting team', gather together folks who are already porting apps from other platforms with the aim being a) port more stuff! b) act as a resource for any third party wanting to get started porting their own stuff
[12:39] <sturmflut-work> popey, Elleo: Uff, thanks a lot! I took all your corrections and am about to correlate with the collection now.
[12:43] <popey> Elleo: +1
[12:44] <popey> sturmflut-work: also.. Scummvm
[12:44]  * popey nudges willcooke :)
[12:44] <popey> sturmflut-work: might be useful to add "frameworks / tools" to the list.
[12:45] <willcooke> Scumm would be excellent.  I poked around at the weekend and it looks like bschaefer has the SDL1.2 Mir backend
[12:45] <popey> for example I'd like to see things like Love2D and Kivy ported
[12:45] <popey> because once those are brought over, there's the possibility for lots of apps/games written using those tools to come over easily
[12:45] <sturmflut-work> popey: Excellent idea, I will make a section for libraries.
[12:46] <popey> We (community team) are considering buying a bunch (maybe 10) of bq phones, to give/lend to people if it may help them port stuff over
[12:47] <popey> I'd be interested to hear of good projects / people to add to the list of potential candidates.
[12:48] <popey> sturmflut-work: last time I thought about this topic, this is the 2 minute list of things I wanted http://paste.ubuntu.com/10255328/
[12:48] <popey> a generic audio recorder would be nice.
[12:49] <Elleo> popey: I think that needs better support in the platform to be really useful
[12:49] <popey> an audio book listening app (which isn't the music player) would be nice too.
[12:49] <Elleo> popey: so that audio recording doesn't get suspended
[12:49] <popey> yeah, but we need apps to push that kind of thing
[12:49] <popey> just like the music app pushed media-hub and mediascanner
[12:50] <Elleo> true
[12:50] <popey> but also, we need to not let apps whither because the platform can't support their use cases
[12:50] <popey> see also:- your spotify app
[12:50] <Elleo> yeah :/
[12:56] <bzoltan_> is here anybody who would be up for a pre-beta top secret SDK feature testing? :D I have a prototype for the single image SDK kit configuration what suppose to be much faster than the click chroot bootstraping
[12:57] <bzoltan_> popey: nik90: dpm ^
[12:59] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: I can test it out for you if you want
[12:59] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  so you feel brave :)
[12:59] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: *braves* one of my many middle names
[12:59] <bzoltan_> DanChapman: Here is the branch -> lp:~bzoltan/+junk/static_chroots
[13:00] <DanChapman> cd
[13:00] <DanChapman> oops
[13:00] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  It has two scripts, one is the tester and the other one the real deal
[13:01] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  basically you can simple execute the tester script ... it will download 1.8GB+600MB, so you need fairly fast network
[13:02] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: ok cool, network should be fine. Right it's just started now
[13:04] <bzoltan_> DanChapman: the story is that i want to sack the click chroot debootsraping because it takes ages and it is unreliable with development series ... so I have created few static images and plan to set up the static image as schroot directory
[13:06] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: that's a nice idea!! Anything to speed it all up is a +1 from me
[13:07] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  that is what i thought :)
[13:11] <sturmflut-work> popey, Elleo: I updated the blog post with most of your corrections/additions, including the Touch/Collection and popey's list.
[13:12] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: cool :)
[13:14] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: Now it just needs as much exposure as possible, I posted it on G+ but I have just five followers :>
[13:16] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: post it to the ubuntu app developers group, that has ~7000 members
[13:16] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: https://plus.google.com/communities/111350780270925540549
[13:18] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: ...that is an excellent idea. I still struggle with the whole concept of those "Circle" thingies.
[13:18]  * sturmflut-work is getting old
[13:18] <Elleo> :)
[13:25] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: the link to love2d in your list is broken
[13:25] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: Err, true.
[13:26] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: Fixed :)
[13:27] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: great :)
[13:27] <Myself5> popey, is it the davidcalle who just joined i should ask:P ?
[13:28]  * davidcalle hides
[13:28] <davidcalle> Myself5, what's the question? :)
[13:28] <Myself5> I try porting Ubuntu Touch to my Sony Xperia Z2
[13:29] <Myself5> but the official update guide is not really helping me
[13:29] <Myself5> and popey said there is a new one, which just needs to get verified yet
[13:29] <Myself5> so I was wondering if you could give me the unverified one
[13:30] <davidcalle> Yes, for now, you can refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/NewPorting which is a being-updated version of the deprecated guide. The newer version (the NewPorting doc + more info) will land this week.
[13:30] <Myself5> oh cool
[13:30] <Myself5> thank you very much :D
[13:30] <davidcalle> Myself5, also if you have specific questions, just ping me :)
[13:30] <Myself5> will do
[13:31] <popey> thanks davidcalle
[13:32] <Myself5> so shall I use a CM11 based tree or a AOSP based tree ?!
[13:35] <davidcalle> Myself5, depends on the device, but it looks like there is an AOSP tree for it : http://developer.sonymobile.com/2014/11/06/android-5-0-xperia-z3-running-aosp/
[13:35] <Myself5> yeah there
[13:35] <Myself5> is
[13:35] <Myself5> thats why I was asking
[13:35] <davidcalle> Myself5, ah :)
[13:37] <davidcalle> Myself5, well, AOSP is easier, but if you have experience with CM11, that works too
[13:38] <Myself5> well I have experiences with both
[13:38] <Myself5> so I guess AOSP would be easier then, right ?
[13:40] <davidcalle> popey, do you mind having a look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ ? I've changed it quite a lot and the CMS has made my life difficult this morning, it needs a second pair of eyes.
[13:40] <davidcalle> Myself5, I guess so, yes
[13:45] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10255917/ but there also seems to be some times dumped to the terminal do you need those aswell?
[13:45] <popey> ok davidcalle
[13:46] <popey> davidcalle: mind if I edit directly? or do you want me to provide feedback only?
[13:47] <davidcalle> popey, I don't mind at all
[13:47] <popey> ok
[13:48] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  thank you ... let me see
[13:48] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  Yes, I need the consol logs too
[13:49] <tsdgeos> someone please? https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/address-book-app/aim_is_not_aim/+merge/249161
[13:49] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10256002/
[13:50] <bzoltan_> DanChapman: cool... we are 15 minutes faster with the static chroot
[13:51] <bzoltan_> DanChapman: thank you, I may ask an other round of tests later if you do not mind
[13:51] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: yeah it was much quicker! Awesome!
[13:51] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: sure thing, just give me a ping
[13:55] <Myself5> davidcalle: if this http://developer.sonymobile.com/knowledge-base/open-source/open-devices/aosp-build-instructions/how-to-build-aosp-kitkat-for-unlocked-xperia-devices/ is the roomservice I shall use for AOSP (only shinano and sirius device repos), do I need to add any additional hardware repos ?
[13:55] <Myself5> I think all needed repos (the stock google ones) are already in the Ubuntu Manifest
[13:58] <davidcalle> Myself5, this would need a confirmation from janimo (which is not here atm), but I believe you are good, yes
[13:58] <Myself5> hum :/
[13:59] <Myself5> guess I really need to fix my local setup then...
[14:02] <Myself5> I guess it is sonys custom mkbootimg
[14:08] <popey> davidcalle: made a couple of minor changes, not published
[14:08] <popey> davidcalle: want me to publish them?
[14:08] <davidcalle> popey, sure :)
[14:08] <popey> ok
[14:09] <davidcalle> Thanks!
[14:14] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  it would be great if you would pull the latest revision of that branch and re-run the test script.
[14:15] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: sure... running it now
[14:30] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  what is you geo location, if you do not mind the question?
[14:31] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: i'm in the UK near London
[14:31] <elopio> ping Kaleo, is there a way to know if the flash has been used?
[14:32] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  Cool. That should have fairly good bandwidt to the main archive.
[14:45] <elopio> or ricmm ^:  is there a way to know if the flash has been used?
[14:46] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10256644/ hmm but it looks like it used the tar from the last run. Do you need me to delete it and re-run
[14:49] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  good observation ... just pull the branch and re-run :)
[15:13] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: Is the G+ "Ubuntu App Developers" Community moderated or something? I can't see my post on the website
[15:14] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: not that I'm aware of, you might need to be a member of the community first though
[15:14] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: I think I am
[15:15] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: I can see my post in the community on the phone, but not on the website
[15:16] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: searching the members list here: https://plus.google.com/communities/111350780270925540549/members for "sturm" doesn't show any members
[15:16] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: not sure if there's a delay in that being updated, but might be worth double checking you're in the community
[15:27] <mhall119> sturmflut-work: google will flag some posts as spam, in which case a moderator has to go through them and approve it
[15:27] <mhall119> which I've done for you post now
[15:27] <ogra_> spammer !
[15:27] <ogra_> :)
[15:27] <popey> heh
[15:27] <popey> but it's such _nice_ spam!
[15:28] <ogra_> yummy :)
[15:28] <sturmflut-work> mhall119: Thank you very much!
[15:28] <mhall119> np
[15:28] <mhall119> just about everything in that community's spam queue was valid posts, Google's being a little heavy-handed I think
[15:28] <bzoltan_> DanChapman: OK, I have added a simple fix and now the test should be fine
[15:29] <popey> Elleo: do we have a bug for apostrophes in the osk? seems hard to do "I'm" in the OSK
[15:31] <Elleo> popey: a fix for that just landed in vivid recently and is currently in a silo to sync into rtm
[15:31] <Elleo> popey: so now you can just type "im" and it'll autocorrect to "I'm"
[15:31] <Elleo> same for lots of words with apostrophes
[15:32] <popey> yay!
[15:33] <jgdx> Laney, hey, wanna take another look at [1]? Added a fullstop. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/cellular-insertsim/+merge/248835
[15:34] <Laney> jgdx: thx, give me 30 minutes to finish up a meeting
[15:34] <popey> Elleo: reply from insider... "That's service! :)"
[15:34] <Laney> do you know what's up with CI?
[15:34] <Elleo> popey: :)
[15:34] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: ahh ok then i'll start a fresh run now
[15:35] <jgdx> Laney, no :|
[15:36] <jgdx> I'll do another run
[15:46] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: I can see your post now :)
[16:06] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: Jep, it finally worked
[16:06] <sturmflut-work> Elleo: I am one of those "Internet Celebrities" now?
[16:07] <Elleo> heh
[16:09] <sturmflut-work> BTW, was the PickerPanel component moved? According to the API documentation one has to "import Ubuntu.Components 1.1", but PickerPanel now only seems to be available with "import Ubuntu.Components.Pickers 1.0"
[16:10] <sturmflut-work> One of my old apps no longer works because of this
[16:11] <elopio> ping jibel: in order to check if the flash was fired or not, would it be enough to check the exif image properties?
[16:18] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: hey, sorry took a while http://paste.ubuntu.com/10257872/
[16:37] <jibel> elopio, I guess so. Then if exif is OK, but flash didn't fire, it's another problem and should probably be covered by a lower level test.
[16:42] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  Cool. Thank you. My tool saves 15 minutes :)
[16:43] <DanChapman> bzoltan_: yw :) It really is a massive time save.. nice one!
[16:45] <bzoltan_> DanChapman:  It is really only a proof of concept :) I need to convince people to replace the click chroot bootsraping with the static images. But for that I need a place where we could host these images... for example wjere teh system images are and I need to patch the click project with this method
[16:51] <caonicaldroid> Help anyone
[16:55] <popey> !ask
[16:56] <popey> FINE!
[17:32] <frecel> can someone explain to me what did I breake this time
[17:32] <frecel> 2015/02/16 10:26:47 Cannot push /home/artur/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-24574f2485162756e588acf79501348b4a5c8c01699f4da1fabcd16c498fb2a0.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is 542M
[17:41] <daker> frecel: your cache partition doesn't have enough free space, maybe ogra_ can help you
[17:43] <frecel> daker: already solved, did exactly what you said
[17:43] <frecel> daker: popey came to the rescue
[17:43] <popey> Whoooosh!
[17:43] <popey> Imagine me with a big orange cape on it.
[17:44] <popey> Ubuntu logo emblazoned on the back.
[17:44] <popey> Photoshop that someone please :)
[17:44] <popey> On second thoughts, don't :)
[17:44] <frecel> I think you meant to say "gimp that"
[17:48] <popey> yeah, but if I ask people to "gimp a picture of popey" - I can only imagine what they come up with
[17:48] <fredflegel> can someone enlighten me on the status of carddav/caldav sync on ubuntu touch?
[18:52] <SturmFlut> Just reading the comments for https://plus.google.com/102486542947898431342/posts/NbLsB1Nk6Wp . It is about time that some manufacturer ships enough UT devices for everybody :/
[18:57] <davmor2> SturmFlut: we only just released our first phone, so come on :)
[19:01] <caonicaldroid> help me
[19:02] <caonicaldroid> anyone"
[19:02] <simosx> caonicaldroid, what's up?
[19:03] <caonicaldroid> does touch work on s3 good yet
[19:04] <simosx> what is 's3'?
[19:06] <davmor2> caonicaldroid: Ubuntu does not make a build for the s3 there is a community port https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices listed but I have no idea how good bad or indifferent it is
[19:06] <wxl> i assume caonicaldroid means a samsung galaxy s3
[19:07] <wxl> caonicaldroid: much of the information about ports is outdated, so i'd say it does not work "good" yet, although it may be easy to make happen. there's a new porting guide coming soon that should make this more of a reality.
[19:36] <krabador> i know that's annoying to read something like "when will be ready the new porting guide?" but
[19:36] <krabador> when will be ready the new porting guide?
[19:37] <popey> krabador: ask again tomorrow :)
[19:37] <popey> lots of involved people are on vacation
[19:37] <krabador> ooh, great, happy holidayz :D
[19:51] <stu> I have a problem where apparmor denies most of my apps access to mmap /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/mir/client-platform/mesa.so. I'm not very familiar with apparmor, but I've tried to find something in the cnofig files that would allow this, and it seems it is not allowed anywhere that I can find. Could it be that apparmor config files were not updated at some point?
[19:53] <popey> stu: if you think it's an apparmor bug then I'd certainly file one. jdstrand works on that but he's on vacation today I think.
[19:53] <tyhicks> stu: please file a bug against the apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu package
[19:54] <stu> I guess this is tree questions, really: 1) how do I find the version history of config files for ubuntu touch? -- I looked at launchpad but was mostly confused. 2) Would it be likely that upgrading about weekly since some time in november could have missed something, and 3) maybe someone already noticed this?
[19:57] <tyhicks> stu: here's the answer to #1: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/trunk
[19:57] <tyhicks> stu: what you're asking about in #2 is unlikely
[19:59] <tyhicks> stu: for #3, I don't see any open bugs that relate to that denial (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bugs)
[20:00] <wxl> so i always see the mention of "getting sign off from qa." is this the same team as the qa team for desktop, etc? what does sign off consist of? all i see is exploratory testing mentioned on their qa, so maybe that's it, but i see no where this is tracked.
[20:02] <stu> Ok thanks, I didn't realize that apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu was what I was looking for...
[20:04] <popey> wxl: yes, QA team does desktop and phone
[20:05] <wxl> popey: is there a tracker for the progress of the "sign off?"
[20:06] <popey> in the silo's they are marked as signed off by QA
[20:10] <wxl> popey: how does someone in the community participate in that process/
[20:10] <popey> wxl: I would recommend speaking to jibel or davmor2 (as they work on QA) .
[20:11] <popey> I expect that they will say they can get community help with things like the mako/flo/manta testing
[20:11] <popey> but not for the bq/meizu ones because we have contractual obligations to fulfil for those.
[20:11] <wxl> understood
[20:11] <popey> however, I would expect there's a _big_ list of stuff that could be done
[20:12] <popey> and suspect they'd welcome the help :)
[20:12] <wxl> hahah
[20:13] <wxl> jibel: davmor2: ping me when you're around again, i'd like to talk about helping with mako testing
[20:26] <caonicaldroid> i just wanna try it out.
[20:26] <caonicaldroid> Does it go off your phone plan and stuff still
[20:26] <caonicaldroid> and yes i mean samsung galaxy s3
[20:28] <caonicaldroid> so theres no good way to do it yet
[20:28] <caonicaldroid> ?
[20:30] <caonicaldroid> are they at least working on it
[20:30] <caonicaldroid> and is there a copy of build.prop i can have for a working device
[20:30] <k1l_> see the devices wiki list
[20:31] <Myself5> caonicaldroid, you mean if there is someone porting Ubuntu for your device ?
[20:31] <Myself5> do it on your own :P
[20:34] <caonicaldroid> If i can get a build.prop i may be able to make it work on s3
[20:35] <Myself5> popey, just to clearify, I only need a AOSP device tree to compile and a modified kernel, right ?
[20:36] <Myself5> cause then I'll try again with the new mkbootimg
[20:36] <Myself5> s/the new/sonys new/
[20:36] <popey> I'm not the one to ask
[20:36] <Myself5> hum k
[20:37] <popey> I am as eager to read the porting guide as you! :D
[20:38] <Myself5> I read it already xD
[20:38] <simosx> Myself5, you read the new version of the porting guide?
[20:38] <Myself5> yeah...
[20:39] <popey> unfortunately there's no AOSP tree for my device
[20:39] <Myself5> should I not have said I did xD ?
[20:39] <Myself5> there is one for mine :) Sony y3
[20:39] <Myself5> *<3
[20:40] <Myself5> but Sony uses a different mkbootimg compared to stock AOSP
[20:41] <Myself5> and it seems like the option to select a different mkbootimg binary is not inside the Ubuntu build repo
[20:41] <Myself5> however it is in Android 4.4.2
[20:41] <Myself5> so I guess it was removed
[22:02] <Jokersww> Has anyone had success installing Ubuntu touch to a Nexus 7 2013?
[22:02] <nhaines> It's been the official development target for tablets for a year so... yes.
[22:03] <Jokersww> ok, I flashed mine to the devel channel and it is stuck on the Google load screen.
[22:04] <Jokersww> can anyone help with this?
[22:24] <caonicaldroid> Does ubuntu touch use android at all
[23:00] <PLA1> Jokersww: I am running Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 7 2013.
[23:01] <stu> tyhicks: I filed a bug now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1422521
[23:10] <tyhicks> thanks stu
[23:51] <popey> hey PLA1, didn't see you lurking there :)


[11:00] <chilversc> Almost there, is there any simple way to add my own suffix to the kernel name though that shows up in both the package names and "uname -r". I find this makes it simpler to know, and check, if I'm using my custom built kernel.
[11:02] <chilversc> When using the standard kernel build process I'd just use LOCALVERSION, but I'm not sure that's valid for Ubuntu? I see mention of it in the Debian instructions but I get the feeling the Ubuntu build process has changed that significantly?
[15:00] <xnox> you can do that, or specify that adhoc to the build process too
[17:23] <chilversc> xnox: does that work when using debian/rules or dpkg-buildpackage with Ubuntu mainline though? If so what's the command as when I've tried it all the packages are just named linux-image-unsigned-6.4.0-060400rc4-generic_6.4.0-060400rc4.202305281232_amd64.deb, etc
[19:56] <ghavil> Howdy, if I wanted to test out a patch against the mainline kernel on an ubuntu node, is there a way to get the 'debian/rules' files working? I think what I'm after is the source for these deb's: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v6.4-rc4/amd64/
[19:56] <ghavil> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/virgin/linux.git doesn't have them, which I think is expected, but, I wasn't sure where exactly the right source is.
[21:20] <xnox> chilversc:  mainline builds possibly overrides things, but you can set all the options that do_mainline_build does, and then change the flavour too, it should be possible to do such a combo via both dpkg-buildpackage or direct debian/rules
[21:21] <xnox> ghavil: there is a repo with tags of those somehwere. i don't think it's on kernel.ubuntu.com though.