[02:54] <mythbuntu_> help
[02:55] <mythbuntu_> !help
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[15:09] <MythbuntuGuest92> Hello all
[15:10] <UKDAVE> I was wondering if any one could offer some help
[15:10] <UKDAVE> I have been trawling the net and various guides n' manuals for days now trying to get my WinTV Nota TD 500 remote working with mythbuntu
[15:10] <UKDAVE> I just cant seem to get my head around it
[15:12] <UKDAVE> Would any one be able to help at all ?
[16:20] <UKDAVE> is any one willing to setup my remote control / IR if I pay you?
[16:22] <UKDAVE> !help
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[16:22] <UKDAVE> !status
[16:22] <Zinn> I am alive.
[16:23] <UKDAVE> any one at alll ?
[16:26] <petre> I just installed mythbuntu, but aptitude can't seem to find any packages, e.g., I search for unzip and it finds nothing.
[16:27] <petre> /etc/apt/sources.list *looks* the same as on my jaunty laptop.
[16:27] <petre> Is mythbuntu's repo config different than a stock ubuntu?
[16:28] <petre> BTW, I also went into synaptic and clicked on reload, but it still finds no packages
[16:35] <petre> ok, never mind, it has started working now; not sure what changed.
[16:36] <superm1> petre, sources.list is the same as ubuntu
[16:36] <superm1> all mythbuntu packages are in the normal repos
[16:37] <petre> superm1, that's what it appeared to be.  But for some reason, things like "aptitude search xchat" were coming back  empty handed.
[16:37] <superm1> probably a corrupt apt cache
[16:37] <petre> And then just a moment ago, it started working.
[16:37] <petre> Ok, that sounds possible.
[16:38] <petre> I thought clicking on the reload button in synaptic would take care of that, but it didn't seem to.
[16:39] <petre> Regardless, it's working now.  (Machine probably saw me get on IRC on my laptop and figured it had better shape up ;-) )
[17:07] <UKDAVE> is any one able to help me configure my IR reciever please?
[17:07] <UKDAVE> I am willing to pay for help
[17:10] <darthanubis> UKDAVE, install and run the mythbuntu-control-center
[17:10] <darthanubis> MCC
[17:10] <darthanubis> search for it in synaptic
[17:10] <darthanubis> It will do the configuration for you
[17:11] <UKDAVE> ok darth that would be great :)
[17:11] <UKDAVE> do yuo want to connect ?
[17:13] <darthanubis> UKDAVE, keep the conversation here plz
[17:13] <UKDAVE> ok sure
[17:14] <UKDAVE> are you able to connect and configure the IR receiver and remote ?
[17:16] <UKDAVE> it seems I already have mythbuntu control centre installed
[17:16] <darthanubis> ok good
[17:16] <darthanubis> run the IR part of it
[17:17] <UKDAVE> where do i find the installed app?
[17:17] <UKDAVE> i mean, how do i launch MCC ?
[17:18] <UKDAVE> sorry Darth, im very new to all this :(
[17:20] <superm1> if you are on normal ubuntu it's in system->administration
[17:20] <superm1> darthanubis, i guess next time we can just paste http://mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[17:20] <superm1> forgot we had that
[17:20] <superm1> we probably have something like this too
[17:20] <superm1> !mythbuntu-control-centre
[17:20] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about mythbuntu-control-centre
[17:21] <superm1> !mcc
[17:21] <Zinn> Mythbuntu Control Centre, one of the biggest advantages of Mythbuntu.  You can configure a lot of normally complex tasks from one location.  You can find it in your System menu after installing Mythbuntu.
[17:21] <UKDAVE> sorry im back
[17:22] <UKDAVE> ok ive selected "hauppauge tv card" within the MCC
[17:22] <darthanubis> good
[17:22] <darthanubis> sounds like you have the same card I have
[17:22] <UKDAVE> whats next ?
[17:23] <UKDAVE> ok, i have the nova TD 500
[17:23] <darthanubis> all should be fine if you finish the intructions in MCC
[17:23] <darthanubis> ok I don't have that card
[17:23] <UKDAVE> can you check for me?
[17:23] <darthanubis> but just do what the MCC says
[17:23] <darthanubis> and no
[17:23] <UKDAVE> ive tried this already with no luck really
[17:23] <darthanubis> it's is all right there in gui form?
[17:23] <darthanubis> what is the problem?
[17:23] <darthanubis> well, I can't help beyond that, sorry
[17:24] <UKDAVE> yea ive selected the card from the list
[17:24] <UKDAVE> but the remote does not work still
[17:25] <superm1> you've gotta restart any relevant apps that would be using it too
[17:25] <superm1> like mythtv
[17:25] <UKDAVE> ok sure
[17:25] <UKDAVE> ill restart mythtv
[17:26] <UKDAVE> still nothing im afraid
[17:27] <UKDAVE> if any one is willing to connect to the PC and check it out for me i would pay you if you get it working
[17:29] <darthanubis> haha, that aint going to happen bub
[17:30] <darthanubis> just be patient, you'll get it working
[17:30] <darthanubis> it aint rocket science
[17:31] <UKDAVE> lol yea ive tried and tried
[17:31] <UKDAVE> just though it might be easier for some one who knows what they are doing and may be able to see where im going wrong
[17:33] <tgm4883> UKDAVE, thats a bad idea
[17:33] <UKDAVE> ok
[17:33] <UKDAVE> lol
[17:34] <tgm4883> you might get some malicous person on there
[17:34] <tgm4883> and you won't get any devs touching that box
[17:35] <UKDAVE> true, but im always here to pull the network cable :)
[17:36] <darthanubis> geez
[17:37] <tgm4883> except you wouldn't know what was going on in the background
[18:07] <superm1> !help
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[18:07] <superm1> !status
[18:07] <Zinn> I am alive.


[01:44] <Laibsch> Is it just me or can somebody confirm bug 334528 ?
[01:57] <crashsystems> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/340297
[01:57] <crashsystems> oops
[01:57] <crashsystems> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/340297
[02:15] <tw1tch> hello all, i just watched the video from http://videos.ubuntu.com/qa/assigning-packages-to-bugs.ogg on assigning packages to bugs, in it the author says that all hibernate bugs should be assigned to "acpi-support" but some documentation from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage says that most hibernate/resume bugs should probably be asigned to gnome-power-manager, pm-utils, or the linux kernel. Is this contradictory and if so which one shou
[02:24] <tw1tch> right.... =)
[02:26] <hggdh> tw1tch, good question. Could you please email bug-control with this, and with the URLs for the pages you found?
[02:26] <hggdh> (at this point in time, most are sleeping)
[02:26] <bdmurray> the video is wrong the wiki page is right
[02:27] <hggdh> yo bdmurray  how's life?
[02:27] <bdmurray> hggdh: alright
[02:27] <tw1tch> ok thanks guys
[06:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:25] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[13:18] <harrisony> anyone have experience in linking a ubuntu bug report to a launchpad bug report
[13:18] <harrisony> another project bug repiort
[13:18] <harrisony> i tried but failed pretty badly
[13:18] <charlie-tca> What is the bug number?
[13:19] <harrisony> bug 2462 is the ubuntu bug
[13:19] <harrisony> with bug 182923 being the upstream
[13:22] <charlie-tca> They are both reported in launchpad. The original bug report for 182923 was a non-ubuntu bugzilla. It should not have been carried into launchpad.
[13:23] <persia> harrisony, I'd suggest asking on #launchpad.  I believe the model is that they should be the same bug report, and that there ought be Mail Notification, Ubuntu, Fedora, and Debian tasks.
[13:23] <charlie-tca> I think the only way to link the two now is make 182923 a duplicate of 2462
[13:24] <persia> Or maybe the other way around, and add tasks to 192923, as upstream is more likely to be tracking 182923
[13:24] <charlie-tca> true, but the duplicates against 2462 would have to be moved, also
[14:00] <bddebian> Boo
[14:01] <pedro_> buuu
[14:04] <bddebian> :)
[15:20] <ball> Would it be considered a bug if the install CD (for Ubuntu Server) did something to the display adaptor that left the screen unreadable?
[15:22] <hggdh> guess so, since -server does not install any X thingies
[15:24] <ball> hggdh: I think it happened after the Ubuntu splash screen
[15:24] <ball> Is there a key I can press to turn that off?
[15:25] <hggdh> no, but you can edit the boot parameters (and, perhaps, open a bug on usplash?)
[15:26] <ball> hggdh: how (where) do I edit boot parameters?
[15:27] <ball> I'm not yet brave enough to open a bug ;-)
[15:27] <hggdh> 2 ways: (1) when cold-booting the system; (2) editing /boot/grub/menu.lst, and then running 'sudo update-grub'
[15:28] <hggdh> ball, nobody will bite you if you open a bug
[15:28] <hggdh> and we need the feedback: if something is wrong, better correct than bypass
[15:28]  * ball nods
[15:29] <ball> I was a little surprised that Ubuntu Server even used a splash screen.
[15:29] <ball> I can see it on the desktop versions, where it's safe to assume there's a framebuffer.
[15:29] <hggdh> usplash is boot-time only, and looks nice
[15:29] <hggdh> well, even my servers run with fbs
[15:31] <ball> hggdh: Perhaps that's a safe assumption with PC servers then.
[15:32] <hggdh> it might, I am not sure (I had to add the FB to the servers manually). But usplash should have worked even with a "standard" setup
[15:32] <ball> Ah, now when I say "framebuffer", I'm talking about the physical hardware.
[15:32] <ball> VGA card, basically.
[15:33]  * ball tries to get used to Linux terminology
[15:33] <hggdh> it still should work, with 640x480 (or whatever)
[15:33] <ball> hggdh: I'm used to servers with no graphics hardware
[15:33]  * ball <- old fart.
[15:33] <ball> ...so splash screens aren't a priority for me.
[15:33]  * hggdh <- farter old
[15:35] <ball> Should the splash screen revert to the previous display mode after doing its thing?
[15:35] <hggdh> then just disable it on the boot parms. I still like the increased real estate when using FBs (a terminal with 140x60)
[15:35] <hggdh> yes
[15:36] <ball> hggdh: I'm used to terminals that attach via a serial cable.  No splash screen there then.
[15:36] <ball> Okay, well I'll break out google and look for a way to turn that off.
[15:36] <hggdh> oh. *real* old. ;-)
[15:36] <hggdh> ball, I gave you the way
[15:37] <ball> hggdh: you told me where to do it, but I still need to look for the commands, keypresses etc.
[15:37] <hggdh> ah
[15:37] <hggdh> sorry
[15:37] <ball> I'm new to Linux (sort of)
[15:38] <hggdh> be careful when editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[15:38] <patanachai> Hi
[15:39] <patanachai> bug #339686 > wishlist
[15:39] <ball> Does the alternate install CD also use graphics?
[15:41] <charlie-tca> patanachai: It doesn't say what version of Ubuntu they are using, but gsynaptics should take care of that
[15:41] <hggdh> I think so, do not remember.
[15:41] <charlie-tca> patanachai: It just has to be installed from Synaptic Package Manager
[15:42] <ball> Doesn't make much sense to me, but that may just be because I'm so "old school".
[15:42] <patanachai> charlie-tca: I believe gsynaptics could, but how to treat this kind of bug?
[15:43] <charlie-tca> invalid it, with a comment to use install gsynaptics from Synaptic Package Manager. Be sure and thank them for helping
[15:43] <hggdh> ball, actually it makes installing the system much more easier
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Even that is an attempt to help improve things.
[15:43] <patanachai> charlie-tca: thanks for suggestion
[15:43] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:44] <ball> hggdh: Hmm... I can see that it might for those locales with a non-latin character set.
[15:45] <ball> I seem to remember a language selection thing early during the install
[15:45] <ball> Perhaps that's what its for.
[15:45] <hggdh> yes, it is quite early on the isntall
[15:46] <ball> That's a valid use of graphics.
[15:48] <ball> ...and if the things going into a graphics mode anyway, then the splash screen makes some sense.
[15:52] <ball> ...so I just need to make it work with my hardware.
[15:52] <hggdh> :-)
[15:52] <hggdh> sometimes there are issues with a particular graphics card and the installer. Yours might be one of them
[15:54]  * ball nods
[15:54] <ball> My guess is that the framebuffer (it's not using X, right?) is using a VESA mode that the video BIOS doesn't support.
[17:43] <YoBoY> hi
[19:25] <jcastro> bdmurray: wrt your blog about people using apport
[19:26] <jcastro> do we keep track of what percentage of apport bugs get fixed?
[19:26] <jcastro> like say ... crashers?
[19:28] <bdmurray> jcastro: something like http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/apport-crash/plots/apport-crash-fullyear-fixreleased.png ?
[19:29] <jcastro> sweet
[23:58] <savvas> The tag "packaging" hasn't yet been used by fonttools (Ubuntu) before. Is this a new tag?
[23:58] <savvas> is this checked for every package?


[01:48] <pace_t_zulu> we gotta get xpistos hooked up w quassel
[02:00] <Juzzy> <3 memcached
[02:00] <Juzzy> http://cheap.net/cachetest.phps
[02:00] <Juzzy> http://cheap.net/cachetest.php
[02:00] <Juzzy> I have all caching data displaying in cheap.net too as you click around
[02:00] <Juzzy> all 30 second cache
[04:42] <vychune> o/
[16:35] <pace_t_zulu> morning Xpistos
[16:36] <Xpistos> Get buddy
[16:36] <Xpistos> got cron working
[16:53] <vychune> hello will
[19:51] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: if you are wanting to hook Xpistos up with quassel you must be enjoying it?
[19:51] <wrst> hello starsprout
[19:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea i am
[19:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: at least we wouldn't have the issue of him dropping before we see his questions
[19:51] <wrst> cool I think its just a pretty neat deal
[19:52] <wrst> i know some guys that have a linode for web server and what not but have their core installed there
[19:52] <wrst> that certainly helps you on the connection in vs. having it in the spare bedroom on my server like i have
[19:58] <starsprout> hiya wrst, pace_t_zulu how's it?
[19:58] <wrst> going well starsprout how are you?
[20:02] <starsprout> good vibes. memphis grey
[20:02] <pace_t_zulu> hey starsprout... you get your cert issue resolved?
[20:02] <starsprout> still wrangling with ssl redirect - basically giving up on .htaccess or simple dns solution...gonna just get a new cert
[20:02] <starsprout> heh
[20:03] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i wonder if a shared quassel core server would be a bad idea...
[20:03] <starsprout> apparently .htaccess rewrites still query the www (even with the rule) so the cert warning comes up either way
[20:03] <wrst> nah i share witha  couple of guys on my meager server pace_t_zulu
[20:04] <wrst> little to no strain on a server just some space for the database
[20:04] <Xpistos> wrst: But Xpistos HATES quassel
[20:04] <wrst> why Xpistos?
[20:04] <vychune> o/
[20:04] <Xpistos> I haven't been using any irc except at work with pidgin. I stopped using irssi a little while ago
[20:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: where is your server located?
[20:05] <Xpistos> I just don't like it
[20:07] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: at my house :)
[20:08] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you have exceptional uptime
[20:08] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: 14:11:06 up 42 days, 20:50,  2 users,  load average: 1.11, 1.06, 1.01
[20:44] <starsprout> y'all know OSCommerce at all? How do I remove www. from links within the store?
[20:44] <starsprout> this puzzle is puzzling
[20:58] <wrst> well pace_t_zulu there goes my uptime :)
[21:00] <starsprout> criminey!!! It was right there in my face in /includes/configure.php !
[21:01] <starsprout> no .htaccess or 301 or new cert needed
[21:01] <Xpistos> hey can I stack commands in vi?
[21:01] <Xpistos> like ":wq\"
[21:02] <Xpistos> or ":wq" rather
[21:02] <Xpistos> to write and quit
[21:03] <orias> wq! :)
[21:04] <Xpistos> what is the ! for
[21:06] <orias> do it dammit
[21:06] <orias> :)
[21:06] <orias> write, quit, yes i want to do it
[21:19] <Xpistos> lol
[21:19] <Xpistos> orias: you funny
[21:20] <orias> thats the way it was explaned to me :) ofc it was "write, quit, dammit"
[21:42] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: did i jinx your uptime?
[21:43] <wrst> evidently had a power outage, and my server won't reboot with the usb hard drives attatched its bios is a little whacky
[21:43] <wrst> or i hope that is it but my router says its uptime is 20 days... so i hope something hasn't happened will be there in about an hour and see
[22:08] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: u connecting with pidgin right now?
[22:10] <wrst> yes sadly so pace_t_zulu :)
[22:10] <wrst> not exactly my favorite irc client but its easy
[22:11] <wrst> don't know why i haven't downloaded the quassel monolithic client


[02:49] <daftykins> hmm
[02:50] <daftykins> i'm helping this guy who has a really funky issue whereby his system is prioritising the intel on-die instead of the nvidia card
[02:51] <daftykins> how is it that some have upgraded to 14.10 but still have a 14.04 kernel 0o
[05:58] <mapp> hi all
[06:51] <hithere> Hi there all, wish I could get google earth installed and running on ubuntu 14.10
[06:51] <daftykins> that's a novel request on the ranks of things to be desired
[06:51] <daftykins> why would you join a channel for a country that's yet to wake up? :)
[06:53] <hithere> Novel yes but how else it one to peruse the globe in a nomadic situation
[06:54] <daftykins> maps!
[06:55] <daftykins> maybe even *gasp* Bing maps
[06:55] <mapp> ge
[06:55] <mapp> heh
[06:55] <mapp> cant u view it on te web?
[06:56] <daftykins> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+package/googleearth-package
[06:56] <daftykins> !info googleearth-package
[06:56] <daftykins> hithere: you installed this? ^
[06:57] <hithere> Yep
[06:57] <hithere> Then what to do with it?
[06:57] <mapp> launch it;]
[06:57] <hithere> Automaticly build a package from what?
[06:58] <hithere> Okay
[07:00] <hithere> googleearth-package: command not found
[07:00] <mapp> mh
[07:00] <hithere> Just like the first time I tried it
[07:01] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get install googleearth-package"
[07:01] <daftykins> err
[07:01] <hithere> Why is the repo package name sometimes different then the installed package name?
[07:01] <hithere> Did that
[07:01] <daftykins> no, you must've done it wrong
[07:02] <daftykins> oh i see you're trying to run it as if it's a command
[07:02] <hithere> Okay how do you running if it 'it's' not a command?
[07:03] <hithere> I mean run it?
[07:04] <hithere> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1509055
[07:05] <mapp> noyt sure
[07:05] <hithere> make!
[07:06] <hithere> make-googleearth-package
[07:06] <hithere> :)
[07:06] <mapp> oh is tat it?
[07:06] <hithere> And not sudo! it not like the sudo
[07:09] <daftykins> 0o
[07:09] <daftykins> you're not making a lot of sense
[07:09] <hithere> All obvious now in hindsight, thanks mapp and daftykins
[07:10] <mapp> is it working?
[07:10] <hithere> I'm just apt-get install -f ing
[07:10] <hithere> okay here gooooooos! :)
[07:11] <daftykins> best part is i got that package from google results, result #2
[07:12] <hithere> Oooooooo, I now of the spinny globe
[07:12] <hithere> :)
[07:12] <hithere> Yar
[07:12] <mapp> nice
[07:13] <hithere> As good as the hive database is, it may never be as good as inter-human interactivity :)
[07:13] <mapp> hive?
[07:14] <hithere> https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hive&oq=hive&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3j69i59j69i61.715j0j7&client=ubuntu&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=hive+meaning
[07:15] <hithere> Supper smooth and without any big crashy explosions, yet
[07:16] <hithere> Thanks again for the key daftykins
[07:16] <hithere> ! :)
[07:16] <daftykins> heh np, fear my google fu
[07:16] <mapp> almost sleep for me
[07:16] <mapp> watcing end of big bang ten bed
[07:17] <mapp> funny ep too;]
[07:17] <daftykins> i'm a couple behind atm
[07:17] <mapp> watched new ep of benced beforequite q a
[07:17] <mapp> a decent show too ot girl from scrubs in it
[07:17] <daftykins> oh the scaredy one Raj dates?
[07:18] <mapp> na i mean this show called Benched its got a hot girl from the sow Scrubs
[07:18] <mapp> eliza coupe i tink
[07:19] <daftykins> oic
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[15:41] <KrimZon> does anyone know how to change search keywords in firefox 34?
[20:03] <TonyH> hi can somebody point me in the direction of help for starting a headless virtualbox VM?
[20:04] <TonyH> I've looked at the Virtualbox forum but it looks like complete gobbledygook
[20:04] <ali1234> vboxheadless -s <name>
[20:05] <TonyH> yes, I'm getting an error when starting a VM
[20:05] <TonyH> VBoxManage: error: Failed to open/create the internal network 'HostInterfaceNetworking-eth0' (VERR_INTNET_FLT_IF_NOT_FOUND).
[20:06] <TonyH> I think it's to do with the NIC
[20:11] <ali1234> don't know, sorry
[20:13] <TonyH> np is there a dedicated room for these type of issues?
[20:13] <DJones> TonyH: #vbox I think
[20:14] <TonyH> thanking you!
[20:20] <foobarry> my wife is watching one of the worst films ever
[20:20] <foobarry> death becomes her
[20:21] <diddledan> foobarry, it's funny when goldie hawn has a hole which meryl streep throws a stick through
[20:21] <foobarry> think thats about to happen
[20:21] <diddledan> \o/
[20:21] <foobarry> this is awful
[20:21] <diddledan> teehee
[20:22] <foobarry> meryl streep also starred in another terrible film
[20:22] <foobarry> abba one
[20:22] <foobarry> not as bad as frozen or the dancing penguins film
[20:23] <diddledan> dancing penguins = happy feet
[20:23] <foobarry> unhappy foobarry
[20:23] <foobarry> is £25 for a safari oleg toy realistic? i just received one and gumtree reckons 25-35
[20:23] <diddledan> abba = mamma mia
[20:24] <diddledan> I had to google
[20:24]  * DJones hands foobarry a copy of "The tooth fairy 2"
[20:24] <diddledan> safari oleg?
[20:24] <diddledan> as in the meerkats?
[20:24] <foobarry> yes
[20:24] <diddledan> I think they're cute
[20:24] <foobarry> i hav 3 of them
[20:24] <diddledan> lol
[20:24] <foobarry> they aren't £25 cute
[20:25] <diddledan> if you have three, sell two of them
[20:25] <diddledan> DJones, foobarry , what about any of the "tinker bell and the..." movies?
[20:25] <foobarry> the two are differtn meerkats
[20:25] <diddledan> aah
[20:26] <DJones> diddledan: I've not had the pleasure of watching them
[20:26] <diddledan> DJones, me either. I don't believe I want to.
[20:26] <DJones> In fact, I don't think I've heard of them either
[20:27] <diddledan> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2483260/
[20:27] <foobarry> also, seems inappropriate amount of boobies for a daytime showing of a film
[20:28] <DJones> Eeew
[20:28] <foobarry> the streep one
[20:32] <diddledan> foobarry, streep stripped?
[20:33] <foobarry> no, some other lady
[20:33] <foobarry> osabella rossilini
[20:36] <diddledan> oh the woman who gave them the juice?
[20:36] <foobarry> yes
[20:36] <foobarry> imdb says "a case of beauty turns ugly in later years"
[20:37] <foobarry> We're writing to let you know that the Seller hasn’t yet notified us that they’ve dispatched the order listed below. If you’re expecting these items by December 24, please contact the Seller immediately to check the status of your order
[20:37] <foobarry> ugh
[20:38] <diddledan> \o/
[20:38] <diddledan> late prezzies ftw
[23:37] <diddledan> time for the night shift?
[23:37]  * diddledan prods shauno daftykins zmoylan-pi
[23:37] <diddledan> :-p
[23:38] <ali1234> i seem to have got side tracked writing a crazy animation system
[23:38] <diddledan> ali1234, oh dear, that sounds like the slippery slope to hades
[23:38] <ali1234> i have a scene stack now, scenes can push an effect on top of the stack
[23:39] <ali1234> effects are also scenes
[23:39] <ali1234> and a composite scene for transitions
[23:39] <diddledan> did you continue with the pointer smuggling or segue to a different idea?
[23:40] <ali1234> so you would do return Composite(FadeOut(this), SlideIn(next));
[23:40] <ali1234> and magic happens
[23:40] <diddledan> sounds sorta like promises
[23:40] <ali1234> this is all done with shared_ptr
[23:40] <ali1234> so you have to prefix all that with std::make_shared<Scene>
[23:41] <ali1234> now i;m trying to decide how best to implement the effects like FadeOut
[23:41] <diddledan> c++, while being awesome, can sometimes make baby jesus cry
[23:41] <ali1234> can't decide if i should have FadeIn and FadeOut or Fade(direction, ...)
[23:42] <daftykins> diddledan: o/
[23:42] <diddledan> \o
[23:42] <daftykins> hey all
[23:42] <webpigeon_web> Evenin'
[23:42] <diddledan> ali1234, maybe a FadeIn and a FadeOut which are helpers and actually call Fade
[23:43] <ali1234> the best thing about this system though is that a random scene can return an effect at any time, and the effect will run until duration, then return the original scene
[23:43] <diddledan> webpigeon_web, ello duck
[23:44] <webpigeon_web> If i was a duck, surely i'd float...
[23:44] <diddledan> </bad bad pun>
[23:44]  * zmoylan-pi puts on the extra strong coffee for night shift
[23:44] <diddledan> do pidgeons not then?
[23:44] <diddledan> spelign
[23:44] <webpigeon_web> and by monty python logic also be made of wood... but that's another story
[23:45] <diddledan> pigeons == ducks, surely?
[23:45] <diddledan> they look the same
[23:45] <diddledan> they even quack the same
[23:45] <diddledan> just pigeons need a bit more encouragement
[23:46] <webpigeon_web> but can they be converted into integers? (duck typing ;p)
[23:46] <ali1234> ducks are really bad at typing
[23:47] <diddledan> but. 1000 ducks. shakespere.
[23:47] <diddledan> just throwing that out there
[23:48] <diddledan> email I received: "Your domain name dewisfynghhth.org.uk will be cancelled in 7 days" <-- welsh really sucks at readability
[23:49] <diddledan> I think whoever spelt that kinda got fed up half-way through and started mashing keys
[23:49] <daftykins> :D
[23:52] <diddledan> the website seems to still be active, just not listening on that domain: https://www.choosemypcc.org.uk/cy/
[23:53] <shauno> reminds me of that one on the news where they used the out-of-office reply as the translation on a roadsign
[23:53] <webpigeon_web> he
[23:53] <webpigeon_web> heh
[23:53] <diddledan> lol
[23:53] <diddledan> yeah that was funneh
[23:53] <shauno> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7702913.stm
[23:54] <shauno> that's what gets me about welsh .. almost any other european language I can at least spot an out-of-office reply  lol
[23:54] <daftykins> *nod* :)
[23:57] <diddledan> lol: "a sign for pedestrians in Cardiff reading 'Look Right' in English read 'Look Left' in Welsh."
[23:57] <daftykins> bit irritating that the new freenode services update has dropped DH-BLOWFISH support from SASL auth
[23:57] <daftykins> when i reconnected earlier it failed =|
[23:59] <diddledan> seems odd to drop support for a fairly secure system
[23:59] <diddledan> what did you have to switch to instead?


[12:02] <uniq> i didn't understand it, i just did it. there was a upstream fix in the cvs for gcc 3.4 too. I backported those.. + the manual fixes for the operator== case.
[12:02] <uniq> it's a pretty easy fix though.
[12:02] <uniq> no big patch.
[12:03] <uniq> touched 3 source files.
[12:03] <uniq> and i added dpatch support to the package.
[12:05] <uniq> and now i'll have to go to bed. have some catching up to do.. still tired from last night.
[12:05] <uniq> gnite.
[10:04] <JRe> Riddell: what does mean: Can GPL link against openssl?
[10:44] <Riddell> JRe: is openssl licence compatible with GPL?
[10:44] <JRe> Riddell: i don't think in fact
[10:44] <JRe> Riddell: i have read several post on debian-legal
[10:44] <elmo> Riddell: no, it's not
[10:45] <JRe> Riddell: so how can i handle that ?
[10:46] <JRe> because this program is illegal in this case, no ?
[10:46] <elmo> try and convince upstream to add support for linking it again gnutls instead
[10:51] <Riddell> all the .h files have an openssl exception
[10:52] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ssl.text
[10:52] <Riddell> so that should be fine
[10:52] <Riddell> just include that in the debian/copyright file
[10:57] <elmo> eh, .h and not .c?
[10:59] <Riddell> .cpp files have it too
[11:03] <JRe> cool upstream is kind ;)
[11:09] <elmo> ok, GPL + Exception is fine
[11:09] <elmo> [but you need to be careful you're not linking to any GPL libs ...]
[11:29] <Riddell> like qt for example
[11:36] <JRe> mmmmm
[11:49] <Riddell> JRe: has debian-legal discussed this programme?
[12:03] <JRe> Riddell: no i don't think so
[12:04] <elmo> debian-legal aren't often/always useful, FWIW
[12:22] <hunger> Any progress on k3b and ooo-kde? Those are the last showstoppers for kubuntu-desktop (as I am sure you all know).
[12:23] <Riddell> hunger: amu has a compiling k3b
[12:23] <hunger> Riddell: That is great news!
[12:28] <JRe> great!
[12:31] <Riddell> k3b has gained hal support so it's extra complex
[12:34] <JRe> woo
[12:40] <\sh> gnome-app-installer looks nice...we should need something like this for kubuntu
[12:43] <Riddell> \sh: mvo is writing a new gnome-app-installer like application but even nicer to use, it'll be in python so I'm hoping shouldn't be too difficult to port to KDE
[12:44] <\sh> Riddell: yeah I heard about it...i'll try and get the source from mvo and check what I can do to port it to kde
[12:45] <\sh> hmm...eric3 is anyone working on it?
[12:45] <Riddell> cool
[12:45] <Riddell> \sh: not that I know of
[12:47] <\sh> hmm.3.4.1 in breezy..3.7.0 latest release...
[12:48] <\sh> lets sync it ;)
[12:48] <JRe> Riddell: maybe it's better to not package katapult i have no reply of the upstream!
[12:49] <Riddell> JRe: what did you ask him?
[12:49] <JRe> Riddell: if i was maintaining katapult anymore
[12:49] <JRe> s/i/he/
[12:50] <JRe> (because of is message on kde-apps)
[12:50] <JRe> s/is/it's/
[12:50] <Riddell> \sh: what version does debian have?
[12:51] <Riddell> JRe: it's crazy, the thing just needs some polishing and it'll be a perfect application
[12:51] <\sh> 3.6.2
[12:51] <\sh> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/eric
[12:52] <JRe> Riddell: i know that that what's i said in the mail
[12:52] <Riddell> elmo: what's the status of the debian autosyncer?
[12:52] <elmo> Riddell: huh?
[12:52] <Riddell> elmo: is it on?
[12:52] <JRe> Riddell: the upstream was thinking that KDE developper was doing that in alt+f2 box so he stopped everything (cf http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21149)
[12:53] <\sh> but i would like to see >=3.7.0 in our tree
[12:53] <elmo> Riddell: yes
[12:53] <\sh> support for generation of KDE UIs
[12:53] <\sh> support for ruby projects
[12:56] <Riddell> \sh: breezy has eric 3.6.1
[12:56] <Riddell> and it's -ubuntu so it won't autosync
[12:57] <Riddell> \sh: feel free to package 3.7.0
[12:57] <\sh> oh
[12:57] <\sh> eric3 == 3.4.1
[12:57] <\sh> eric == 3.6.1
[12:57] <\sh> can we remove at least one?
[01:07] <JRe> Riddell: BTW for ktvschedule: the program can't load any data without xmltv but i think it's better to mark it as recommends, no?
[01:08] <Riddell> JRe: don't you want it to be able to load data?
[01:08] <JRe> Riddell: the point is that xmltv make the xml ressource file that ktvschedule load
[01:08] <JRe> Riddell: but you can run the program without it
[01:10] <JRe> mmm both way are acceptable
[01:11] <JRe> Riddell: you prefer that i put it in depends ?
[01:11] <Riddell> JRe: but without it you can run the program but it's no use since it can't display any tv schedules
[01:11] <JRe> Riddell: right
[01:11] <Riddell> seems like it should depend on xmltv to me
[01:12] <JRe> okay
[01:13] <JRe> Riddell: okay i have fixed brahms
[01:15] <JRe> Riddell: where i send the patch?
[01:18] <Riddell> JRe: I need a fixed package
[01:18] <Riddell> JRe: so put the patch in debian/patches, make sure debian/rules uses it, update changelog,
[01:19] <JRe> Riddell: okay because the package didnot use debian/patches :(
[01:20] <Riddell> JRe: yeah, lots of them don't alas.  you'll need to steal the wee bit of shell script out of an existing package (e.g. baghira)
[01:20] <Riddell> unless it's cdbs
[01:21] <JRe> no not cdbs :( okay i look baghira ;)
[01:21] <JRe> Riddell: thanks for the trick ;)
[01:22] <Riddell> it's two smallish chunks of shell script, one for apply and one for clean
[01:23] <JRe> okay
[01:23] <JRe> there are applied after the diff ?
[01:23] <JRe> s/there/they/
[01:24] <Riddell> JRe: how do you mean?
[01:27] <JRe> Riddell: it does not cause problem to have one patch debian/patches styled and all the other in the diff.gz ?
[01:32] <Riddell> JRe: don't change anything the debian packager has done, but any patches you make should be in debian/patches
[01:33] <JRe> okay ;)
[02:31] <Riddell> JRe: hah, I was just waving my mouse about at the bottom of my NX window and up popped the kooldock I started yesterday
[02:31] <Riddell> so it does work :)
[02:31] <JRe> :)
[02:31] <JRe> Riddell: so i have made exploration and i think Kasablanca can't be packaged
[02:32] <JRe> Riddell: because it depends on libssl-dev
[02:35] <Riddell> a shame
[02:37] <JRe> :( no good ftp client for KDE :(
[02:38] <Riddell> konqueror!
[02:38] <JRe> Riddell: konqueror is fine but for advenced transfert it can fit
[02:39] <Riddell> has any other distro packaged kasablanca?
[02:39] <JRe> maybe i can motive the kasablanca or kftpgrabber upstream to swith to gnutls
[02:52] <JRe> Riddell: kftpgrabber usptream wonder why it's possible to package kssl in this case
[02:53] <JRe> (in kdelibs)
[03:01] <motaboy> Hi to all!
[03:01] <JRe> hi motaboy !
[03:02] <motaboy> Riddell: I didn't packaged systempreferences again as I cannot make it work right.
[03:05] <Riddell> motaboy: if you give me what you have I'll see if I can get it sorted
[03:05] <Riddell> JRe: there's a suggestion that qt's QPL licence may allow linking to openssl
[03:06] <\sh> Riddell: what do u think about KAT?
[03:06] <motaboy> Riddell: I simply downloaded it from kdenonbeta(I think) and built it. I'll try to find it.
[03:08] <Riddell> \sh: kat the search program?  what about it?
[03:08] <JRe> Riddell: so what the upstream has to do ?
[03:08] <\sh> the desktop search..do we want it in breezy?
[03:08] <Riddell> \sh: certainly do, JRe packaged it
[03:08] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm starting the koffice packages and I've got a question.
[03:08] <\sh> nice :)
[03:09] <motaboy> Riddell: should koffice-libs be renamed to koffice-libsc2?
[03:09] <motaboy> Riddell: I don't think thary are used outside koffice
[03:10] <JRe> \sh: kat is under heavy development, next versions will separate api from gui (krusader will use the api too for instance) and will add an indexing deamon (kded) will be added
[03:10] <Riddell> \sh: once JRe fixes the issues with his packages I've reviewed it would be good if you could review them too
[03:10] <Riddell> motaboy: no
[03:10] <\sh> Riddell: yes no problem..this evening i will review kdebluetooth
[03:10] <Riddell> motaboy: it depends on kdelibs4 which will become kdelibs4c2
[03:11] <Riddell> motaboy: so it'll have to be upgraded by that
[03:11] <Riddell> \sh: do you have a bluetooth device?
[03:11] <motaboy> Riddell: ok thanks. I'm building koffice for breezy. should i also build it for hoary?
[03:11] <\sh> Riddell: no :(
[03:11] <Riddell> motaboy: which version?
[03:11] <\sh> Riddell: at least no bluetooth socket for my laptop device
[03:11] <motaboy> Riddell: koffice 1.4
[03:12] <Riddell> \sh: me neither, we probably need to find someone to check it out
[03:12] <Riddell> motaboy: final?
[03:12] <\sh> Riddell: we need a hardware sponsor
[03:12] <motaboy> Riddell: current SVN, just to try it out and fix the debian files so they'll be ready for the final
[03:13] <Riddell> maybe haggai could look at it if he hasn't already
[03:13] <Riddell> motaboy: cool
[03:13] <KaiL_> \sh: I thought, I already said that
[03:13] <KaiL_> I could need some silly Laptops for Testing *fg*
[03:13] <\sh> KaiL_: ask HP ;)
[03:14] <\sh> if they want to play with ubuntu..ubuntu devs need the latest hp/compaq laptops they have...with every nifty toy inside..and 300GB hds ;)
[03:14] <KaiL_> they clain to care about ubuntu themself, so not interesting
[03:15] <\sh> writing blog entry: Seeking Hardware Sponsors for MOTU
[03:16] <KaiL_> I had an Asus M2400N here yesterday - after the Bios-Update you can use that to show, how ubuntu works
[03:16] <KaiL_> *everything* works :)
[03:17] <\sh> well...the only nasty thing about hp/compaq nc6000 is , irda doesn't work as expected (only with heavy modification on irda-utils and installing additional software) and the internal SD card reader
[03:18] <KaiL_> for the SD readers I won't give much hope for the next time
[03:18] <KaiL_> somebody should configure irda stuff on default
[03:20] <\sh> KaiL_: it's hps problem
[03:20] <KaiL_> any Idea, what HP will do for it?
[03:20] <KaiL_> the second is S3 with ATI VGA ;)
[03:20] <\sh> their design of mapping irqs and base addresses is not as expected from the linux kernel.
[03:20] <\sh> the chip itself is supported
[03:21] <\sh> http://people.debian.org/~pxt/nc6000/
[03:22] <KaiL_> the wifi button might be an ACPI event?
[03:22] <\sh> i don't have wifi installed
[03:23] <KaiL_> I should add irda to my test list
[03:29] <Riddell> motaboy: did you package systempreferences at all or am I remembering wrongly?
[03:31] <motaboy> Riddell: I think that I tried it and it had problems. I don't remeber if I packaged it as my harddisk broked some weeks ago.
[03:31] <Riddell> motaboy: ok, ignore me then, I'll package it
[03:32] <motaboy> Riddell: did you resolved the problem?
[03:32] <Riddell> motaboy: yes think so
[03:33] <motaboy> cool
[03:33] <Riddell> these XDG menus are fragile things
[03:36] <KabelKasper> Riddell: I have Simone Gotti's kdebluetooth package installed and it's working for me.
[03:37] <Riddell> KabelKasper: that's a good sign :)
[03:37] <Riddell> need to work out why they depend on libgtk
[03:37] <KaiL_> I have the same result on a friends FSC E8010
[03:38] <KaiL_> sao this kdebluetooth seams to work :)
[03:38] <KaiL_> so..
[03:39] <KaiL_> should go into main soon
[03:43] <haggai> Riddell: maybe haggai could look at it if he hasn't already <-- bluetooth?
[03:45] <Riddell> haggai: yep
[03:49] <Riddell> JRe: I'll investigate the ssl issue, poke me if I don't get back to you soonish
[03:52] <JRe> Riddell: okay!
[03:55] <haggai> Riddell: I'm taking a look
[04:10] <haggai> dato: I'm picking up some bugs on debian experimental's kdepim that don't seem to be packaging related.  Would you prefer me to take them directly upstream?
[04:10] <dato> haggai: yes, please
[04:11] <haggai> k
[04:24] <motaboy> Riddell: on kdebluetooth I'll make a new package with latest CVS that will be 1.0
[04:25] <motaboy> Riddell: but then I'm going to throw out all the obex stuffs and create a new project with them (already on my local PC)
[04:26] <Riddell> motaboy: sounds like fun
[04:35] <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/brahms <- gcc4 fixes
[04:48] <hunger> This ksysguard thingy is driving me crazy!
[04:49] <hunger> The cpufreq is shown in ksysguard. The load in the ksysguard applet.
[04:49] <hunger> But the cpufreq is NOT working in the applet.
[04:56] <Riddell> testers and reviews wanted http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/systempreferences/
[04:57] <SquishyWaffle> got a quick thing I need someone to try, believe I just found a bug in Thunderbird. Launch it, select multiple messages, hit the reply-all button
[04:57] <Riddell> SquishyWaffle: use Kontact
[04:57] <SquishyWaffle> is this a known bug?
[04:57] <JRe> SquishyWaffle: i use KMail
[04:57] <Riddell> SquishyWaffle: you need to ask in #ubuntu, we only do KDE here
[04:57] <Riddell> or #ubuntu-devel
[04:58] <SquishyWaffle> I was just wondering if it's a KDE specific problem since I've had problems with Gnome apps within KDE whereas in Gnome they run fine
[05:03] <Riddell> SquishyWaffle: what problems have you had wiht gnome apps?
[05:04] <SquishyWaffle> Yelp only half works on the kubuntu docs in the svn repository, sometimes parsing fails: see kynaptic.xml in the ubuntu-doc repository for an example
[05:04] <SquishyWaffle> Kubuntu is apparently missing a critical component to make it parse correctly and we haven't tracked it down
[05:06] <Riddell> JRe: brahms looks good
[05:06] <Riddell> JRe: version number should be Xubuntu1 not XbuildX since there's ubuntu changes to it
[05:06] <JRe> Riddell: i just made a dch -i
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: I normally call the patch kubuntu_01_gcc4_fixes.diff for easier tracking
[05:07] <JRe> because i didn't want to changes things from the original packager
[05:07] <JRe> Riddell: okay i rename it
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: don't worry, I can do them
[05:07] <JRe> okay
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: could you open an entry on malone with a URL to the patch
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: and e-mail upstream
[05:08] <Riddell> and I'll upload this to universe once it's compiled
[05:08] <JRe> okay for the second, but how i open an entry on malone ?
[05:08] <Riddell> JRe: launchpad.ubuntu.com
[05:11] <JRe> Riddell: capitalization and article in debian/control ;)
[05:13] <Riddell> JRe: that'll be me not running lintian then
[05:13] <Riddell> but I like capitals on the description
[05:14] <JRe> Riddell: i like it too dunnow what lintian don't ;) ;) ;)
[05:15] <JRe> Riddell: for the rest your package looks fine! it seems that i recognize the copyright file ;)
[05:16] <JRe> Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the right address (seems to be mispelled but maybe it's a trick)
[05:16] <JRe> ???
[05:18] <Riddell> JRe: well spotted.  I'm not used to using that address yes
[05:18] <Riddell> yet
[05:18] <Riddell> JRe: I stole the copyright file and other bits from ktvschedule
[05:18] <JRe> Riddell: ;)
[05:20] <JRe> Riddell: i have adapted the copyright file from the one of digiKam from allee ;) ;) ;)
[05:21] <Riddell> hah http://lists.debian.org/debian-lint-maint/2005/01/msg00066.html
[05:49] <JRe> Riddell: you test kay a little ?
[05:50] <Riddell> JRe: no, saving that and ivman for later
[05:51] <JRe> Riddell: okay ;)
[06:41] <uniq> hi guys.
[06:43] <\sh> unbelievable
[06:44] <Riddell> \sh: we think uniq is pretty unbelievable too
[06:44] <\sh> oh no not uniq...read the stuff on #kubuntu ... I'm banging my head because I can't stop laughing :)
[06:45] <uniq> he.. i'm working on a psychology paper.. it's so boring.
[06:47] <Riddell> \sh: just say if you need anyone kicked :)
[06:47] <JRe> \sh: what happen ?
[06:48] <\sh> nono..it's fun :) "i have my server on my laptop" *rotfl* "can't reach www.laptopserverondebian .... down" "no ways, I'm carring it home"
[06:49] <JRe> ;)
[06:49] <JRe> i have my server on my cell phone
[06:50] <\sh> it's so funny sometimes..u really get frightend..."the next generation internet server is running on a mobile device"
[06:52] <uniq> 'the new nokia x943 mainframe cellphone, 1 week UPS capacity built in, 3g connection, MMC support" :)
[06:52] <uniq> heh.. google-cellphone-cluster :]
[06:54] <\sh> lol
[08:55] <\sh> new splash for kubuntu 5.10 :)
[09:11] <uniq> the half-porn one? :)
[09:11] <uniq> or 'half-porn' :)
[09:12] <\sh> uniq: check my entry ;) i made half-porn to a lovley splash ;)
[09:15] <uniq> link to your entry? i'm lazy :)
[09:16] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/30-KUbuntu-Asses.html
[09:16] <uniq> thanks.
[09:18] <uniq> hah.. great.. now asses is my splash screen. :)
[09:18] <uniq> need a asses wallpaper and kdm-theme too :)
[09:20] <\sh> lol


[09:37] <jack> hey is it ok for me to ask a non-dev question here?
[09:37] <jack> I've tried #ubuntu :P
[10:49] <varkatope_> hi
[10:59] <lfittl> zul, I have an urgent xen problem, on one of my remote servers, xen keeps changing the mac address of eth0 to fe:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, its an amd64, do you have an idea how to stop xen doing that?
[11:01] <Mithrandir> eth0 in the domU or dom0?
[11:01] <lfittl> dom0
[11:01] <Mithrandir> hm, weird.
[11:01] <Mithrandir> no idea, sorry.
[11:30] <abogani> Someone can clarify to me one (stupid) thing about restricted modules?
[11:50] <TheMuso> c/
[08:39] <mjg59> kylem: 78288 looks like an issue with the IRQ handler, or something.
[08:39] <mjg59> But we'll want a 2.6.19 dmesg
[08:39] <kylem> yes, yes it does.
[08:40] <mjg59> Given that the chipset is getting IRQ 16, and it's IRQ 16 that's blowing up
[08:40] <mjg59> So doesn't /sound/ like interrupt routing
[08:41] <mjg59> Hm. But irqpoll works.
[08:41] <mjg59> Gah. It'll be some trivial change in ata_piix, or something
[08:41] <kylem> hm.
[08:41] <kylem> i have the same thing, but no love with irqpoll.
[08:41] <kylem> acpi=off works.
[08:41] <mjg59> Gah.
[08:41] <mjg59> What interrupt do you get without acpi?
[08:41] <kylem> so i figured it was just proto hw bugs.
[10:17] <zul> grr...kernel-package
[11:12] <varkatope_> hi


[13:14] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:14] <shakes808> Morning
[13:14] <shakes808> how are you doing toda?
[13:14] <shakes808> today*
[13:15] <cmaloney> So far so good. Just starting thie morning
[13:15] <shakes808> right?!  just happy for the weekend :)
[13:16] <jrwren> ready for the weekend.
[13:17] <jrwren> it looks like it is going to be a beautiful day, so that is a bonus.
[13:17] <jrwren> How are you doing shakes808 and all?
[13:19] <shakes808> jrwren: I'm doing alright.  Best as it can at the moment. :)  Just hoping the beautiful few days lasts through the weekend!
[13:20] <jrwren> imma too scared to check the weather.
[13:20] <cmaloney> heh
[13:20] <cmaloney> I just need one mowing day.
[13:20] <jrwren> probably going to Cedar Point tomorrow, so that should be fun.
[13:20] <shakes808> haha, right?!
[13:20] <shakes808> Awesome!  Hope the weather holds out for you
[13:20] <jrwren> yesterday would have been a great mowing day
[13:20] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yep, but I was lazy.
[13:20] <cmaloney> and now I will pay.
[13:20] <shakes808> last two days would have been great
[13:20] <shakes808> HAHA
[13:21] <cmaloney> ah, Sunday looks like the magical mowing day.
[13:21] <jrwren> you push reel, right?
[13:21] <cmaloney> I push both ways.
[13:21] <jrwren> yeah, you do. I remember. ;]
[13:22] <cmaloney> Depends on whether the grass is sub jungle or not
[13:22] <jrwren> if i let my lawn go an extra day or two, it becomes even more difficult with the reel cutter.
[13:22] <jrwren> I always want to be lazy, but I know that if I don't stay on top of it its going to be much more difficult.
[13:23] <jrwren> its lawn debt. Similar to money debt or tech debt. Easier to pay it down earlier. ;]
[13:26] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:26] <cmaloney> Unfortunately I also have dandelions
[13:26] <cmaloney> so they're like little middle-fingers in my lawn
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:26] <cmaloney> morning!
[13:27] <shakes808> +1 cmaloney
[13:27] <shakes808> haha
[13:27] <shakes808> Morning mrgoodcat
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> how is today?
[13:28] <jrwren> cmaloney: me too! I just leave 'em. The push reel doesn't really cut them much.
[13:29] <jrwren> if I'm feeling nice to my neighbors, I use a weed cutter (like a scythe) and knock down the dandelion stems
[13:33] <wolfger> morning
[13:33] <shakes808> You need to get one of these: http://bit.ly/1W6fnWA    OR    http://bit.ly/23ZHLsw
[13:34] <wolfger> I'm noodling around with putting Ubuntu on my Win 10 again, (e.g. via VirtualBox) and I ran across this article: http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring-ubuntu-to-windows-10/
[13:34] <wolfger> Anybody know what if anything came of that?
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> afaik it is actually in a workable state right now
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> its still being developed though
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> no graphical tools
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> its not a vm and not emulation
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> its more like WINE in that the kernel is actually recognizing native linux syscalls
[13:37] <wolfger> right, that's what I got from the article and it intrigued me
[13:37] <jrwren> well...
[13:37] <jrwren> yes, it is more like wine.
[13:37] <jrwren> its "done" afik.
[13:38] <jrwren> I mean, the ubuntu side is the exact same cloudimg as you'd run anywhere else.
[13:38] <jrwren> MSFT may still be working on their linux on windows layer.
[13:38] <jrwren> Someone already use XMing and set DISPLAY and ran X programs, so that part works.
[13:38] <jrwren> but I do not think you will ever see a supported graphics layer from msft.
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> there's a quick how-to at the bottom of this article http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/
[13:43] <wolfger> so, it sounds like its still in beta. "Windows Insider"
[13:43] <jrwren> yup
[13:43] <jrwren> i only meant that the ubuntu side is "done"
[13:45] <wolfger> ok, guess I'll go with VirtualBox for now
[13:47] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'd stick with VB for now
[13:49] <jrwren> I upgraded from win7 to win10 just to play with that ubuntu on windows. HUGE MISTAKE.
[13:49] <jrwren> win10 is even worse than I had thought.
[13:52] <cmaloney> jrwren: How so?
[13:52] <wolfger> I found Win10 to be slightly worse, but virtually indistinguishable for typical use.
[13:53] <wolfger> and also slightly better in some ways
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> yea i think win10 is nice
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> the Big Brother stuff is my only gripe
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> haven't had any useability issues with it though
[13:54] <jrwren> the reboot on updates.
[13:55] <jrwren> maybe its becuase I enabled the insider fast track trying to get ubuntu for windows
[13:55] <jrwren> but.. its like win3.1 again.. it just SHUTS DOWN! and you lose all your owrk.
[13:55] <jrwren> doesn't matter if you have unsaved changes. ITS GONE.
[13:55] <mrgoodcat> mine doesn't do that
[13:55] <mrgoodcat> mine has been running for a few months now
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: settings > update > advanced options > notify to schedule restart
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> yw
[13:57] <jrwren> that option is not available when youa re on insider fast track
[13:57] <jrwren> can you believe it?
[13:57] <jrwren> MSFT is just terrible at writing software.
[13:57] <cmaloney> da fuq?
[13:57] <jrwren> I'm glad they have come around on open source. That is great.
[13:58] <jrwren> now they are back to where they were in 1999 where they couldn't write usable software.
[14:10] <cmaloney> jrwren: Wonder if that's because the goals of the company are not lining up with the end users anymore?
[14:10] <jrwren> definitely.
[14:11] <jrwren> or... they are, and I"m an atypical user.
[14:11] <jrwren> I think by being in this channel I count as an atypical user.
[14:11] <jrwren> Still, I read headlines like, "MSFT adds more ads to start menu" and I feel like they are abusing their customers.
[14:13] <cmaloney> Agreed
[14:13] <cmaloney> Between the vendors and MSFT I don't think end users have a chance of using their machines 100% as they want to
[14:18] <jrwren> even apple is pissing me off lately. imma go back to all linux soon enough.
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> i'd go all linux if it would run on my mbp
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> i mean it runs. but networking and touchpad are broken
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> so that's kind of a deal breaker
[14:22] <cmaloney> Who needs networking anyway? :)
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> networking is for sales people
[14:47] <wolfger> oh, win 10 pissed me off last night.   I can just go eat or netflix or something
[14:54] <cmaloney> I just wish it would eventually finish in my lifetime
[14:54] <jrwren> and then SXW folder fills your disk.
[14:55] <jrwren> i can't upgrade my mom from 8.1 to 10 because diskspace.
[14:55] <jrwren> she has like 5GB free, but it is not enough. lolz
[14:55] <Scary_Guy> install a second hard drive temporarily
[14:55] <cmaloney> can you remove files in that folder?
[14:55] <cmaloney> or will Windows shit the bed?
[14:55] <jrwren> can you do that?
[14:55] <jrwren> no, windows says "do not touch"
[14:56] <jrwren> web concurs that there is no safe workaround.
[14:56] <Scary_Guy> windows says a lot of things, windows is dumb
[14:56] <jrwren> indeed.
[14:56] <cmaloney> Nice.
[14:56] <cmaloney> It's like having a cache that isn't cache
[14:56] <Scary_Guy> oh good, the video driver works.  put in a new video card.  had to boot safe mode with networking to get the thing to start up
[14:57] <Scary_Guy> then download ATI's drivers because apparently MS gave a bluescreen
[14:58] <Scary_Guy> I'm going to try to switch her to ubuntu, maybe she won't notice
[14:58] <cmaloney> heh
[14:58] <shakes808> +1 Scary_Guy  HAHA
[15:01] <Scary_Guy> although this system is so old a raspberry pi could probably do most of this crap
[15:02] <Scary_Guy> sadly I'll probably end up building her a gaming system with windows because that's where all the app support is
[15:03] <jrwren> hrm... i wonder if I could move my mom to ubuntu. I just have to break her insane love of msoffice.
[15:03] <jrwren> brain damage can cause some strange affiliations and attachements.
[15:03] <Scary_Guy> put on libreoffice first and get her used to that
[15:03] <jrwren> wouldn't help.
[15:03] <jrwren> she says "does it have office" ALWAYS
[15:04] <jrwren> I guess i could say "yes" and say, "its libre office" lolz
[15:04] <jrwren> she would LOVE that.
[15:04] <Scary_Guy> say "yes it has an office"
[15:04] <cmaloney> jrwren: I've mentioned how the best and worst thing I ever did for my parents was introduce my mom to MS Publisher, right?
[15:06] <cmaloney> best: no more fretting about MS Word and it's dumb formatting
[15:06] <cmaloney> worst: she uses it for EVERYTHING
[15:06] <cmaloney> Tried to get her to use Scribus. It's not the same as publisher so she doesn't use it
[15:07] <Scary_Guy> I give up on old people who don't know anything about computers.  you try to help them and they just hate you
[15:08] <Scary_Guy> "where did my game go?" oh you mean that spyware POS with virus like tendencies?  Had to get rid of it
[15:08] <cmaloney> Well, she's fine in other regards. She raised me for one.
[15:08] <jrwren> or... let them be spied on.
[15:08] <Scary_Guy> right?  eventually I just gave up
[15:09] <_stink_> had my mom on ubuntu for a few years... the deal breaker wasn't office - it was web multimedia support
[15:09] <cmaloney> my Dad is cute in that regard.   Mom uses ubuntu on the media center and her laptop.  android on her phone
[15:10] <cmaloney> JoDee has to use a Windows version of Java because the software she's using for her Variable Stars teaching doesn't work under Ubuntu
[15:11] <jrwren> jabba is bad
[15:11] <wolfger> I moved a couple moms (not mine) to Ubuntu. So far as I know, that lasted until they got new computers. Also migrated a friend of mine and he loves it.   I used to be able to figure it out but it's been so long I don't remember.  maybe killing a stuck process will do it
[15:20] <cmaloney> Scary_Guy: it's changed
[15:20] <cmaloney> I haven't found the vulcan nerve pinch to make this work
[15:22] <Scary_Guy> I need food and a nap, maybe then this will be done, bbl
[15:23] <cmaloney> https://twitter.com/SGgrc/status/733672297572139008
[15:24] <cmaloney> Wonderful Microsoft slogan I just encountered:
[15:24] <cmaloney> “Windows 10: Embrace the inevitable.”
[15:24] <jrwren> lol
[15:26] <wolfger> Scary_Guy: for some definition of "die". The PC becomes unusably slow, and I just refuse to go through the effort of trying to clean it, fix registries and whatnot.... If the user lets the computer get into that state, they really shouldn't be running Windows :-p
[15:27] <wolfger> Linux is a good crud-resistant OS for people like that.
[15:31] <jcastro> Scary_Guy: you need to restart the windows update service
[15:33] <cmaloney> jcastro: Even that doesn't work
[15:33] <cmaloney> It's like it's on permanent "derp"
[23:58] <Scary_Guy> well sleeping helped
[23:58] <Scary_Guy> I just wish it wasn't all retarded, but it's windows so I don't expect much


[16:21] <qwerty_> hi. I installed kde on top of ubuntu mate. I decided to switch back to the mate desktop because nothing beats mate :D. For some reason are the green colors of the ambiant mate theme now blue. The breeze theme messed up the gtk themes. How can I resolve this?


[15:44] <SpamapS> xnox: flirting with a 5-digit LP bug eh? ;) Nice work on the reload signal stanza :)
[15:47] <xnox> SpamapS: i think i did get a 4-digit one last year in installer, need to check =))))
[15:47] <xnox> SpamapS: but yeah, needs review from jodh, as the dbus unit tests are a bit crazy. They fork a dbus server & client and make them talk to each other from a single source-code......
[15:49] <SpamapS> I love that
[15:49] <SpamapS> but, I'm a fan of fakes :)
[16:54] <xnox> jodh: any comments / help with above dbus tests for https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/upstart/reload-signal/+merge/176099 are appreciated =)
[16:56] <daguz> stupid user question:  how does upstart track a process?  i'm trying to get it to start a process (redis) and only as root.  I can get it to start but not status nor shutdown.  Simply the script says exec redis-server config.file .   The pid file is created in /var/run/ .
[16:57] <xnox> daguz: "redis upstart" gives me https://gist.github.com/bdotdub/714533
[16:58] <xnox> daguz: but looking at the jobs, this one is better https://gist.github.com/twoolie/4617553
[17:00] <daguz> I'll try the second one.  I tried a number of versions I saw when searching.
[17:00] <jodh> xnox: ack - I'll take a look tomorrow.
[17:00] <xnox> cool.


[02:09] <oerheks> 🤪
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Is there anyway to cast entire desktop screen to smart TV in kubuntu?
[13:21] <I-azy-I> Hola
 Maybe you need a smart box where you will put your Kubuntu environment, I guess. But share more information about what do you want. (re @mackruize: Is there anyway to cast entire desktop screen to smart TV in kubuntu?)
 Snap-installed app (notion-snap-reborn) doesn't show the icon in the panel in the task manager icons and show xorg icone/kubuntu 23.10 on wayland. : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/1890c6d0/file_70067.jpg
[20:21] <Guest6045> #gluon
 I just updated to Ubuntu 23.10 and am getting a busybox screen (initramfs)
 When i hit exit i get
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/99bc2aea/file_70068.jpg
 ALERT UUID does not exist. Dropping to shell
 When i attempt to reinstall ubuntu from usb it says there is mo memory
 It doesnt recognize my ssd, so i cannot install
 I have tinkered eith bios to ACHI and no luck
 Any suggestions?
 is it safe to upgrade a 23.10?
 i have seen a few of these


[00:39] <morganu> Aarch64debian, ok where do I find that?  This is something in Settings --> Screen Display --> Night Light not in another program. It come with the distribution.  (https://linuxconfig.org/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux0
[00:47] <leftyfb> morganu: did you look at the screenshot I posted?
[00:47] <morganu> did now.
[00:49] <morganu> thanks lefty, coulda bit me.  leftyfb
[01:10] <sybariten> evening
[01:43] <morganu> 20.04 I have installed mate desktop and xubuntu desktop (each in the -core version) and I never got a request about lightdm like How-To pages tell me I will get it.
[05:05] <Firefishe> I have a slew of kernels when I boot up.  How do I remove, completely, the kernels I absolutely do not want, keeping only the one that works the best out of all of them?
[05:09] <ravage> apt autoremove
[05:09] <Bashing-om> Firefishe: If ya going to pick and choose that is job for "dpkg" - to jeep the current and one under is "autoremove".
[05:09] <Bashing-om> keep*
[05:10] <ravage> autoremove will keep the the newest 2
[05:10] <ravage> That's usually what you want
[05:12] <Firefishe> ravage: Thanks for responding to me.  I'm using a lap-tablet (M$ Surface Book 3) that has a special kernel I need to use to enable the keyboard and trackpad and a host of other things.  apt autoremove would eliminate more than I want.
[05:13] <Firefishe> I guess I need to remove (--purge ??) the individual kernel image, headers, and modules, and/or extra modules packages of each one.  Does that sound right?
[05:14] <ravage> If you have custom kernels installed you have to manually remove the installed versions yes
[05:15] <ravage> But I don't think autoremove will remove your custom Kernels
[05:16] <Firefishe> ravage: Okay then.  Thank you.  I'll dive more into it.  That sounds correct, though.  I appreciate the assistance.
[05:32] <loganlee> hello i'm running ubuntu 20.04 LTS. if i switch to unity from gnome will it load all apps in ~/.local/share/applications/* and also have all the pinned apps on the left bar?
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> loganlee: when switching to a different DE, your installed apps will be still there
[06:35] <ashish> hi there... i have issues regarding python on ubuntu... can i get help here ???
[06:35] <ashish> hi there... i have issues regarding python on ubuntu... can i get help here ???
[06:39] <ashish> #python
[06:40] <ashish> hi there... i have issues regarding python on ubuntu... can i get help here ???
[06:40] <idkau> whats wrong
[06:41] <ashish> idkau actually i used wamp on windows... i want something similar on ubuntu
[06:42] <ashish> idkau ???
[06:42] <idkau> but what does that have to do with python?
[06:43] <idkau> you can install apache, mysql, and php easily on ubuntu
[06:43] <ashish> idkau: i tested websites locally using wamp in windows... i want to do same with python in ubuntu... locally develop and test websites
[06:44] <idkau> oh not php, just python
[06:44] <ashish> yes just python
[06:44] <idkau> do you know how to use apt-get?
[06:45] <ashish> i have seen videos... i installed this hex chat with the "sudo apt-get install hexchat^C"
[06:45] <idkau> sudo apt-get install python3-pip
[06:45] <idkau> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[06:45] <idkau> mysql_secure_installation
[06:45] <idkau> sudo pip3 install pymysql
[06:45] <idkau> sudo apt-get install apache2
[06:46] <idkau> there is more. let me find a link
[06:46] <idkau> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-apache-mysql-and-python-lamp-server-without-frameworks-on-ubuntu-14-04
[06:46] <idkau> the same should work for newer versions but maybe skip the py 2.x part
[06:47] <ashish> idkau okay... pls wait... dont leave...
[06:49] <ashish> idkau... thanks for the link bro... i forgot about lamp... i will give it a try... thanks a lot
[06:50] <idkau> yOu are welcome. IMO its way easier than setting up on windows :)
[07:01] <ashish> idkau: i think i should use "django" or something else... m new in ubuntu... so this installation may get me into some trouble... i will read about "lamp" and also "django" and see what is betterfor me... thanks for the help... m leaving for now... take care... bye
[07:12] <DarkTrick> Latest Linux kernel 5.15 (and 5.13) does not boot on my PC. Have to start 5.11. Should I start worrying or wait a little and hope for a fix?
[07:14] <DarkTrick> I cant even see an error on bootup; it just doesn't get forward after showing HID information
[08:28] <Aarch64debian> !wine
[10:52] <Aarch64debian> help
[10:52] <Aarch64debian> so i did aptitude install wine, how to remove it totally
[11:00] <Apachez> apt-get remove wine --purge        ?
[11:01] <Apachez> note that above will only remove stuff part of the package itself (purge removes any configs)... but any files created by the application after install will not be removed (since ubuntu doesnt know which app created which files)
[11:14] <Aarch64debian> sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable doesnt work, my os is ubuntu 22 dev
[11:14] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | Aarch64debian
[11:18] <mnhrdt> is it possible to "dump" the whole keyboard configuration into a single text file, edit this file, and then load it again?
[11:18] <mnhrdt> (possibly on a different computer)
[11:20] <badsektor> mnhrdt: of course it is, you just need to find that file, i am sure it is out there somewhere
[11:21] <mnhrdt> I want to create the file, from the current keyboard setup
[11:21] <ducasse> mnhrdt: not really, but you can use xkbcomp to create your own layout
[11:21] <mnhrdt> when I was a kid in 2005, I could "xmodmap -pke > kbd.txt"
[11:22] <mnhrdt> but I cannot find a xkbcomp equivalent
[11:22] <ducasse> xmodmap is deprecated
[11:22] <mnhrdt> I know, otherwise I would be happy using it.  Do you know if xkbcom offers a similar functionality ?
[11:22] <mnhrdt> *xkbcomp
[11:23] <ducasse> not that i know, which is why i said not really :)
[11:23] <mnhrdt> or setxkbmap
[11:25] <mnhrdt> ok thanks.  This is a bit sad still... xmodmap had such a clear and intuitive interface, I have trouble grokking xkbcomp
[11:25] <ducasse> yeah, many see it as a step back
[11:26] <mnhrdt> i mean, the common stuff is probably easier to do, but I like to change the position of particular keys all the time, and it's not very comfortable
[11:26] <ducasse> no, it's really clunky tbh
[11:29] <mnhrdt> (i keep using xmodmap for some things and it sort of works)
[11:29] <ducasse> until you run setxkbmap for example
[11:29] <ducasse> running any xkb tool will reset your changes
[11:29] <mnhrdt> ah, so that's it
[11:30] <mnhrdt> i have to run first setxkbdmap and *then* the xmodmap modifications
[11:30] <mnhrdt> i was really confused because it was not commutative
[11:30] <ducasse> correct
[11:30] <mnhrdt> did everything on a terminal, then copied all the commands inside a script (on a different order) and it didn't work
[11:47] <eoli3n> Hi
[11:47] <eoli3n> is ubuntu preseed the same as debian preseed with ubuntu 20.04 ?
[11:54] <leejones> Hello everybody ...
[11:55] <kostkon_> leejones hi
[11:55] <leejones> I've got my WiFi working on Dell Alienware, which you people told me couldn't be done.
[11:56] <leejones> And hello Kostkon_
[11:56] <leejones>
[11:57] <leejones> And what's more, the people at Dell were telling me the same thing, so I really can't blame you.
[11:59] <leejones> ello Aarch64debian ... Your handle indicates that you shopped around for the best distro.
[12:00] <leejones> Did you try ArchLinux and Debian?
[12:01] <ducasse> let's stick to support issues, tru #ubuntu-offtopic to chat
[12:11] <DarkTrick> Kernel 5.13 gets stuck during to boot process. How do I figure out what's wrong? I couldn't make any sense of content of syslog
[12:11] <DarkTrick> Kernel 5.15 same
[12:17] <HHauser> this is common problem  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Initramfs
[12:26] <DarkTrick> HHauser, I guess that msg was directed at me.
[12:26] <DarkTrick> The site states "since kernel 2.6"
[12:26] <DarkTrick> I started having issues from 5.13; 5.11 works fine
[12:29] <HHauser> compare size of 5.11 initramfs to 5.13 initramfs, that's a problem I have had
[12:31] <DarkTrick> HHauser, the site is quite technical. How do I compare sizes?
[12:31] <DarkTrick> And how would I fix the problem?
[12:33] <DarkTrick> HHauser, size found in /boot. But just 600kb difference?
[12:35] <DarkTrick> (I guess this is a related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1958584 )
[12:36] <HHauser> 600kb could have some important drivers, do web search on how to make a big fall safe initramfs
[12:37] <DarkTrick> you mean "big fail safe"? <- HHauser
[12:42] <HHauser> initramfs-tools  generic modular initramfs generator
[13:15] <Grabunhold> hi guys. my ISP at work recently enabled ipv6, but my ubuntu-based firewall (systemd-networkd, iptables) fails to act on a prefix advertisement. i've set the policy for all ip6tables chains to ACCEPT just to be sure, but no success
[13:16] <Grabunhold> i'm not really sure how to debug this any further, i've seen the prefix advertised via wireshark and i can ping the remote sides link-local address
[13:17] <Grabunhold> i've set IPv6AcceptRA=1 in the interfaces systemd-networkd config
[13:23] <mrgains10> hello
[13:23] <ExileGhost> Hii mrgains10
[13:24] <mrgains10> first time here
[13:24] <mrgains10> me
[13:24] <mrgains10> jst found this grup
[13:26] <ExileGhost> mrgains10: welcome to the #ubuntu
[13:26] <mrgains10> thanks
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:28] <ExileGhost> Hii BluesKaj,
[13:28] <BluesKaj> hi ExileGhost
[13:28] <mrgains10> hi BluesKaj u in linus grup also right
[13:28] <mrgains10> sorry linux
[13:29] <BluesKaj> the #linux chat, yes
[13:30] <mrgains10> ok
[13:30] <BluesKaj> hi mrgains10
[13:33] <ExileGhost> aaruni: I feel 'aaruni' is a hindi name
[13:34] <Maik> mrgains10: hello and welcome, if you have a ubuntu support question just ask, casual talk is in #ubuntu-offtopic. :)
[13:35] <Maik> same for you ExileGhost :)
[13:35] <ExileGhost> Maik: got it. Thanks!
[13:50] <Tr1nk> hello
[13:52] <Maik> Tr1nk: hello and welcome, if you have a ubuntu support question just ask, if you just want to casual talk then please feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic. :)
[15:52] <webchat90> tomreyn: thanks for the suggestion.  The dell usb adapter was getting picked up by the wrong driver.   I downloaded the r8152 driver source from realtek, pasted in ID 413c:b097 into the appropriate locations in the .c file and compiled / installed the new module.  After reboot it still gets a crazy name with the mac address in it, but network
[15:52] <webchat90> manager will work with it now.
[15:53] <jhutchins> Congratulations! Two full hours of dead air!  That'll teach those darned users to ask questions here!
[17:52] <pikajude-> hi, this package https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/android-sdk-ext4-utils is in focal and bionic, but not in impish. is there a way to use the site to find out why that is?
[17:57] <sarnold> pikajude-: yeah..
[17:57] <pikajude-> nice, how
[17:58] <sarnold> pikajude: from there, find the source package name, near the top,  android-platform-system-extras
[17:58] <sarnold> pikajude: head to the launchpad source page for that source package, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-platform-system-extras
[17:58] <pikajude> ok
[17:58] <sarnold> pikajude: then "view full publishing history"
[17:59] <pikajude> ok
[17:59] <sarnold> oh, hah, the source is still there in impish... I expected to see the source package gone entirely :)
[17:59] <pikajude> the second item in that list is something that says "Published", "Impish", "release"
[17:59] <pikajude> which makes me think i *should* see it in my apt search
[18:00] <sarnold> pikajude: okay, so, new tack :) we want the full changelog link instead, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-platform-system-extras/+changelog
[18:00] <sarnold>   * removed packages removed by upstream: android-libf2fs-utils-dev,
[18:00] <sarnold>     android-libf2fs-utils, and android-sdk-ext4-utils
[18:00] <pikajude> what's the upstream?
[18:01] <pikajude> it has no repositories listed
[18:03] <kryten> pikajude: "Homepage" at the bottom of the sidebar on packages.u.c
[18:03] <sarnold> pikajude: the debian/watch file has this, in part: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/extras/+refs
[18:03] <pikajude> ok so *google* removed it
[18:03] <pikajude> that's less than ideal
[18:07] <kryten> Fwiw, what I did after realizing the source package is indeed still in Impish generally, is heading over to the Impish source package page on packages.u.c and there clicking on "Ubuntu Changelog" in the sidebar.
[18:08] <pikajude> yeah, i see, but android-sdk-ext4-utils has been removed
[20:00] <mannequin> ok i just istalled ubuntu on a new achine
[20:00] <mannequin> now it's stuck at the purple screen
[20:08] <tomreyn> mannequin: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question? if so, which ubuntu release is it about? which installer did you use (ISO file name)? were there any warnings shown before, during or after installation?
[22:31] <kenshi> hi
[22:31] <kenshi> hi
[22:32] <kenshi> hello
[22:32] <teear> que pasa?
[22:33] <jhutchins> 2.5 Hours!  New record?
[22:48] <kryten> jhutchins: I'm starting to seriously get the impression you are longing for something to do, aren't you? :P
[22:49] <junebug> kryten, aren't we all?
[22:50] <kryten> Nah, personally I can live without fulfilling Ubuntu support requests.. >_<
[22:50] <junebug> :D
[22:50] <kryten> But otherwise yes I'd agree!
[22:51] <jakes> hi folks
[22:51] <jakes> I'm running KDE (#kubuntu) on a "presentation" screen
[22:52] <jakes> I've set it up so that visitors can effectively use it as a bluetooth speaker
[22:54] <jakes> is there a way to have this "bluetooth speaker" do basic controls, such as skip, play/pause? ie. if/when I connect my mobile to the ubuntu host & play spotify (or any other media app) through it, be able to hit play/payse on the keyboard attached to the Ubuntu A2DP sink?
[23:18] <arooni> i have a ssd i pulled out of my now sadly dead thinkpad.  i had ubuntu 20.04 installed on it and set up whole disk encryption during the setup process
[23:18] <arooni> i now have another ubuntu machine i can hook it up to
[23:18] <arooni> how do i permanently decrypt it
[23:18] <arooni> i know the passphrase; not an issue
[23:19] <ravage> you have to mount it and copy the data to another drive
[23:19] <ravage> there is no decryption process
[23:19] <arooni> is this something that could be done via a virtual machine on my macbook?
[23:20] <sarnold> arooni: there's some notes on the arch wiki on how to do an in-place decryption, but there's so many warning boxes there that I'd personally go with ravage's advice and just copy it to another drive https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Removing_system_encryption
[23:20] <arooni> ok i'll go with the recommended approach
[23:21] <arooni> 'error unlocking /dev/sdc3 : failed to activate device: file exists'
[23:21] <arooni> pretty sure thats my correct password
[23:24] <ravage> try "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdc3 mycrypt"
[23:24] <arooni> restarting fixed it
[23:24] <arooni> so paranoid when it comes to this lol
[23:25] <arooni> can i install an ubuntu vm on my macbook and pull the data from the drive to the host operating system?  or better to leave it mounted on an ubuntu machine i have around the house
[23:25] <arooni> and rsync the data
[23:25] <arooni> maybe would work better?  not sure
[23:25] <ravage> if you can attach the drive to this VM it should work yes
[23:26] <sarnold> you probably can pass the drive through to the VM, that's a fairly basic VM feature these days
[23:27] <arooni> should i use multipass
[23:27] <arooni> or
[23:27] <arooni> utm virtual machine
[23:29] <sarnold> sorry, I've never heard of utm; multipass should work okay, but it might be too opinionated for this. I'm not sure :( sorry
[23:32] <arooni> no worries; i'm outsie the ubuntu ranch a lil with questions like this
[23:34] <arooni> is multipass terminal only?
[23:35] <arooni> ah it appears so
[23:39] <arooni> what is a decent size to set up for basic vm stuff?  8gb of storage?
[23:40] <sarnold> that's pretty tight
[23:40] <arooni> ah well let me redo it before install
[23:40] <arooni> what would you recommend?
[23:41] <sarnold> hard to say :( I hear that our standard cloud baseline is 10 gigs, and it feels like I see folks troiubleshooting nearly-full filesystems a bit too often :) but those machines may have different needs than yours..
[23:41] <matsaman> arooni: what VM system?
[23:41] <arooni> yeah i'm not sure what i need it for right now but i do like mirroring my production server to make sure stuff works
[23:41] <arooni> maybe 25g?
[23:41] <matsaman> 30GB is like a _huge_ /desktop/ install, for reference
[23:41] <arooni> i have 1.5tb+ available
[23:42] <sarnold> yeah.. i've done physical system installs with 30gigs on / and never really thought about space :)
[23:42] <matsaman> so 30GB should always be enough, by a very large margin
[23:42] <arooni> matsaman : running UTM
[23:42] <matsaman> unless you want to store in the same spot like, enormous data for some reason, obviously
[23:42] <arooni> wondering if its smart enough to expand the size of the volume depending on usage; so it doesnt just write a 30gb file up front
[23:42] <arooni> virutalbox i think used to do that
[23:43] <matsaman> for ARM host?
[23:43] <arooni> yes
[23:43] <arooni> oh i dont know how arm stuff works
[23:43] <matsaman> at this point it should work about the same
[23:43] <arooni> i'm new to this architecture
[23:43] <matsaman> rarely you will find an app isn't available because it's arch-specific
[23:43] <matsaman> very rarely
[23:44] <arooni> what memory size would you give the vm?  i think this can be adjusted later
[23:44] <arooni> 8gb?  i have 64 available on the host
[23:44] <matsaman> there should only be a small performance decrease if it has to expand itself, negligible to a human I would think
[23:44] <matsaman> 8gb is pretty decent. What're you doing with the guest again?
[23:45] <arooni> now its just copying files; but i run some webapps on a 20.04 production server (x86 tho) so itd be nice to use it as staging/testing etc
[23:45] <arooni> down the line; not really concerned about that just yet
[23:45] <matsaman> web apps, you won't need hardly any memory =P
[23:45] <matsaman> if 8GB doesn't bother your host usage, fine, but you could probably dial it way back
[23:45] <arooni> copying files from an encrypted drive that died in my beloved thinkpad t420; had it for 10+ years
[23:45] <arooni> it was a workhourse
[23:46] <matsaman> to a very small amount of ram
[23:46] <arooni> *workhorse
[23:46] <matsaman> mmm
[23:46] <matsaman> nice when things last these days
[23:46] <arooni> cpu cores?
[23:46] <arooni> i think i have 10 of those available
[23:46] <matsaman> two is nice, but again I you could probably get away with the bare minimum
[23:46] <matsaman> and of course, you can change it later
[23:46] <arooni> maybe well start with 2; i think all this ais adjustable
[23:47] <arooni> yeah i can always dial it up
[23:47] <jakes> is there a way to have an Ubuntu Desktop (kubuntu) acting as a "bluetooth speaker" do basic controls, such as skip, play/pause? ie. if/when I connect my mobile to the ubuntu host & play spotify (or any other media app) through it, be able to hit play/pause on the keyboard attached to the Ubuntu A2DP sink?
[23:47] <matsaman> I feel like >1 core is the norm, so just for normality's sake, at least 2
[23:47] <matsaman> the norm for computers in general these days*
[23:47] <arooni> so 4gb ram / 30gb storage / 2 cores?
[23:47] <arooni> just to kick the tires in
[23:48] <arooni> glad i got the 64gb of ram on this; nice to have headroom
[23:49] <matsaman> jakes: I assume there is
[23:49] <matsaman> arooni: that sounds like a reasonable start
[23:49] <matsaman> 30gb will leave you tons of room, but with 64gb I'm guessing you have the space
[23:49] <matsaman> and you can always change things later
[23:49] <matsaman> with 64gb of ram* I'm guessing you have plenty of storage space, too
[23:49] <jakes> matsaman, can't find the how
[23:50] <jakes> can connect to ubuntu as a a2dp sink OK, but can't control playback
[23:50] <arooni> my wallet size was reduced severely; its all a trade off lol
[23:50] <matsaman> jakes: I think if it were me, I would play spotify from the GNU/Linux install, and control it via that install via the phone
[23:51] <matsaman> rather than using the phone to stream to the install
[23:52] <teear> I have 32 GB memory and swap is running out: http://teear.cbharraste.eu/desktop.png
[23:52] <matsaman> jakes: so fundamentally, for example
[23:53] <teear> Will my Kingston SSD handle it
[23:53] <matsaman> jakes: if I play something on spotify on my phone, I can also open the spotify web player (or desktop app) and control the playback from there
[23:53] <matsaman> jakes: so the technology is certainly there, whether someone's made a nice app for it or not
[23:53] <matsaman> jakes: maybe this: https://github.com/ledesmablt/spotify-cli
[23:54] <matsaman> teear: modern SSDs can take a lot of abuse
[23:54] <jakes> matsaman, that's what I'm doing at present, but it's a PITA if any other random person int he office just wants to press pause/play on a shared input device
[23:54] <matsaman> teear: if you're worried about your data, you need a backup system anyway
[23:54] <teear> I could just close some tabs maybe
[23:54] <matsaman> jakes: require some auth =)
[23:54] <teear> Yeah
[23:55] <matsaman> jakes: I like to make little webUIs for media computers like that
[23:55] <teear> I have nothing mission critical on the ssd
[23:55] <matsaman> teear: holy tabs
[23:55] <matsaman> misunderstood the point you were making =P
[23:56] <matsaman> jakes: so if this spotify-cli app works, you'd just map the commands to your media keys