[06:17] <KurtKraut> Vaske_Car, at www.ubuntu.com after a few hours when this version will be released
[06:17] <Bilford> the release isnt 0000
[06:17] <jobezone> lufis: ahh.. good point, I don't know that. You mean a package not available in Main, Universe, or Restricted?
[06:17] <nhaines> khermans, it's guaranteed, though, if you have a good friend.  :)
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> MTecknology: CST is -6 GMT
[06:17] <KurtKraut> nbx909, it is not.  If it's already in, it means it will be part of the next release (Not dapper).
[06:17] <FunnyLookinHat> ^_^
[06:17] <Phuzion> http://pastebin.com/750586
[06:17] <IcemanV9> MTecknology: CST? we're 6 hrs behind GMT
[06:17] <Phuzion> There ya go
[06:17] <Vaske_Car> How long is Server version supported?
[06:17] <Viaken> jobezone: lufis is gone.
[06:17] <MTecknology> ok
[06:17] <crimsun> Vaske_Car: 5 years.
[06:17] <intelikey> looking
[06:17] <jobezone> Viaken: Thanks!
[06:18] <Viaken> No worries! :)
[06:18] <khermans> Is Dapper officially out now?!?!
[06:18] <IcemanV9> actually CDT :P
[06:18] <KurtKraut> Vaske_Car, 5 years. Stop asking questions that you already know the answer :P
[06:18] <crimsun> khermans: does the topic say as much?
[06:18] <onkarshinde> khermans: Read the channel topic
[06:18] <matthew_w> Also, what the heck is up with sound in Ubuntu.  Every application is crashing like crazy whenever it needs the sound device, or, it can't find the sound device, so I have so start/kill ESD a million times before anything works.  What am I doing wrong?
[06:18] <Ademan> crimsun: aplay does work that way
[06:18] <FunnyLookinHat> matthew_w: are you using dapper or breezy?
[06:18] <crimsun> Ademan: then alsa & dmix are fine for your chipset.
[06:18] <Vaske_Car> crimsun, im a bit confused now... it say that Ubuntu is suported 18months..., is there separate server version that is suported 5 years?
[06:19] <nhaines> matthew_w, you should configure dmix correctly.
[06:19] <khermans> crimsun, no it doesnt -- ok so i'll change it
[06:19] <zcat[1] > Bah, it's been 1/6 here for over 16 hours already!!!
[06:19] <FunnyLookinHat> matthew_w: never had any issues liek that for dapper beta
[06:19] <onkarshinde> matthew_w: Instead of killing ESD everytime, prevent it from starting
[06:19] <T313C0mun1s7> Is that what my problem with Listen is tonight - I have to kill it every 5 minutes
[06:19] <nhaines> matthew_w, 6.06 fixes this problem in most cases.
[06:19] <crimsun> Vaske_Car: -desktop is 3 years. -server is 5 years.
[06:19] <intelikey> Phuzion drop the us.  maybe and try again
[06:19] <MTecknology> Could not download all repository indexes - http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/./Release: No MD5Sum entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/people.ubuntu.com_%7ejbailey_snapshot_bzr_._Release
[06:19] <MTecknology> what's wrong?
[06:19] <Ademan> crimsun: then what do i do about flash? grin and bear it? or can i install oss and make it play nice with esd? or what?
[06:19] <crimsun> Ademan: install alsa-oss from universe, and use ``aoss firefox''
[06:19] <intelikey> Phuzion or add a nl.  or something
[06:19] <crimsun> and go write a nasty e-mail to macromedia/adobe
[06:20] <DBO> I write two every week =)
[06:20] <Phuzion> Same problem
[06:20] <intelikey> Phuzion that is not a sources.list error.  that is a network error.
[06:20] <Ademan> crimsun: what did you mean by the second part? is that... the command to start up firefox?
[06:20] <Vaske_Car> crimsun, how do I download server version??? I tried here http://www.ubuntu.com/download but it offer standard 5.10 version, it does not say that it is server version...  ?????
[06:20] <khermans> crimsun, it seems to be in that .pool directory!
[06:20] <FunnyLookinHat> Vaske_Car: try going to the links from ubuntu.com concerning the server..
[06:20] <KurtKraut> Vaske_Car, server version is for Ubuntu Dapper (codenome of 6.06)
[06:21] <FunnyLookinHat> if those don't work it's becaues it's not relased
[06:21] <Phuzion> I forgot to set my network settings totally
[06:21] <KurtKraut> Vaske_Car, codename I mean
[06:21] <rredd4> intelikey maybe Phuzion can use apt spy
[06:21] <matthew_w> Ah good, Dapper's out soon.  I'll just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade soon
[06:21] <intelikey> rredd4 yeah
[06:21] <Viaken> Phuzion: Then that might be your problem. ;)
[06:21] <FunnyLookinHat> but I want my ISOs now before i go to bed
[06:21] <matthew_w> Also - hey, will that give me ALL of the new stuff in Dapper, because, when I upgraded to Breezy, I missed some stuff that would have been installed had I used the CD's/
[06:21] <crimsun> Ademan: yes
[06:21] <nhaines> matthew_w, use Upgrade Manager.  :)
[06:22] <pjw> Will the new version of Ubuntu include a flash plugin for AMD64?
[06:22] <crimsun> Vaske_Car: it hasn't been released yet.
[06:22] <matthew_w> nhaines; where's that located?
[06:22] <crimsun> pjw: no
[06:22] <Vaske_Car> So 5.10 is still stadard version and new version will be called  Ubuntu Dapper
[06:22] <Vaske_Car> now i understand
[06:22] <Phuzion> How do I tell ifconfig what my router address is?
[06:22] <crimsun> Vaske_Car: correct
[06:22] <onkarshinde> pjw: No
[06:22] <nhaines> matthew_w, System>Administration
[06:22] <Meshezabeel> all you have to do is: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:22] <matthew_w> Ah
[06:22] <matthew_w> Thanks
[06:22] <crimsun> khermans: To what are you referring?
[06:22] <nhaines> Vaske_Car, the new version will be called 6.06 LTS
[06:22] <Vaske_Car> crimsun, any idea when it will be released?
[06:22] <zcat[1] > what's LTS stand for?
[06:22] <rredd4> Meshezabeel  to hard for you?!
[06:22] <onkarshinde> Vaske_Car: Wrong. Once dapper is released latest stable version will be 6.06
[06:22] <crimsun> zcat[1] : long term support
[06:22] <JabberWokky> zcat[1] : Long Term Support
[06:23] <zcat[1] > Ahhhhh..
[06:23] <czambran> Seveas: any development on the release?
[06:23] <crimsun> Vaske_Car: sometime in the next 8-12 hours, most likely
[06:23] <nhaines> !tell Vaske_Car about dapper
[06:23] <MTecknology> There going to be a shit load of updates the first few weeks for dapper?
[06:23] <Meshezabeel> rredd4, yeah, it is a bit hard, I'm just glad I don't have to type sudo or something silly like that!
[06:23] <pjw> onkarshinde: when will it be?
[06:23] <Meshezabeel> ;)
[06:23] <zcat[1] > In another 8 hours is will be 2/6 here !!
[06:23] <nbx909> for those who don't think that http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185570 is the latest stable verson here is a screen shot of it running in vmware http://kimages.be/share/87459560.png i
[06:23] <intelikey> i just was using hoary, and so i uninstalled ubuntu-base and did a dist-upgrade to dapper skipping breezy  and i don't reccomend that anyone else try that... but it worked well.
[06:23] <onkarshinde> pjw: Sometime today
[06:23] <crimsun> pjw: it's difficult to release something that doesn't exist!
[06:23] <Bilford> best guess for release time is in 2 hours 37 minutes
[06:23] <Viaken> !tell Viaken about dapper
[06:23] <meddlepal> Hey, when Dapper is released, just wondering what command I should execute to download and install? Is it going to be the same update-manager -d switch as with the RC?
[06:23] <rredd4> Meshezabeel  are you root, if not type sudo
[06:23] <Viaken> well that wasn't helpful. lol
[06:23] <MTecknology> !Dapper
[06:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'Dapper Drake' will be released in less than 24 hours, but not at 0:00 UTC! (NO, we cannot be more precise)
[06:23] <z4k4ri4> Dapper will be released on 6:06, the question is in what timezone :)
[06:24] <czambran> meddlepal: you shouldn';t need the 'd' switch
[06:24] <crimsun> Bilford: that's pretty optimistic, considering our core-devs will still be asleep.
[06:24] <nhaines> nbx909, the betas have looked like that for the last two weeks.
[06:24] <MTecknology> lol
[06:24] <onkarshinde> z4k4ri4: Read ubotu reply
[06:24] <khermans> crimsun, guess i am wrong -- maybe Dapper will be out at 3:53 accroding to the .pool directories on the releases.ubuntu.com site
[06:24] <ajax4> Its 6/6 on the East Coast :)
[06:24] <PrimoTurbo> Can anyone confirm that .pool is the same as the final?
[06:24] <Bilford> crimsun, they should still be up partying
[06:24] <ajax4> Err, 6/1 that is.
[06:24] <intelikey> Phuzion why do you have breezy cd in that list ?
[06:24] <Flannel> PrimoTurbo: it's not.
[06:24] <intelikey> oooops
[06:24] <khermans> crimsun, since it seems to be uploaded very frequently around that time
[06:24] <JabberWokky> ajax4: I was wondering "East coast of *what* is 6/6?!??!"
[06:24] <Flannel> PrimoTurbo: its todays daily build
[06:25] <PrimoTurbo> I see
[06:25] <rredd4> intelikey Phuzion<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu
[06:25] <nbx909> nhaines, they said thank you for your interest in ubuntu released in june 2006?
[06:25] <PrimoTurbo> man this is annoying I see a thread about the final
[06:25] <ajax4> Jabber: hehe, typo!
[06:25] <Vaske_Car> Here is why i ask about server version: If i run server with 5.10 after 3 years I will not be able to update it no more, right?
[06:25] <intelikey> rredd4 see the oooops ?
[06:25] <T313C0mun1s7> I Know EXACTLY when it will be released!! I am just not telling (other wise what fun is being omnipotent)
[06:25] <crimsun> khermans: the timestamps from publisher mean nothing until the released is announced.
[06:25] <nhaines> nbx909, yes.
[06:25] <zcat[1] > JabberWokky: east coast are a little lagged at the moment I guess :)
[06:25] <TiG4> http://ubuntu.youaremighty.com   <--- This Is Great!
[06:25] <Bilford> Mark Shuttleworth went to the INternational Space Station
[06:25] <nbx909> nhaines, okay then my bad
[06:25] <Flannel> Vaske_Car: security updates, right.  You can still use it, and still upgrade it to a later version.
[06:26] <rredd4> intelikey oops...
[06:26] <nbx909> nhaines, i guess we will see when the stable verson is released if i was right
[06:26] <rredd4> lol
[06:26] <intelikey> :)
[06:26] <khermans> crimsun, is there a HOWTO on the release process?  Do they say what special testing is done to the final ISOs and things like this?
[06:26] <Meshezabeel> Dapper will be released on at 06:06:06am
[06:26] <nhaines> nbx909, the release candidate one week ago was an attempt to make a gold copy of 6.06, so, we have to wait until the announcemtn.  :)
[06:26] <khermans> to ensure like not major flaws in the release, like a bad image
[06:26] <Bilford> why is everyone waiting?  the final release wont be much different than the latest build
[06:27] <KurtKraut> TiG4, fantastic :P
[06:27] <grv> because it will be *official*
[06:27] <Bilford> you might have to download 2 mb of updates
[06:27] <khermans> Meshezabeel, that would be sweet 666
[06:27] <ajax4> Bilford: This will be my first time running Ubuntu, so I figured I'd wait for the final release.
[06:27] <T313C0mun1s7> Ok, Ok - it will be sometime after the thousands of hungry mirrors are done syncing, or just after you give up and go to bed (which ever comes last)
[06:27] <Meshezabeel> khermans, oh no, the end has come!!!
[06:27] <jtd> hi, guys!
[06:27] <intelikey> rredd4 you may catch me doing that a lot.  i generally lag several seconds do to using all my band-narrowness
[06:27] <Flannel> Bilford: most of us want to start serving up torrents, to share the wealth.  I know I'm not downloading to install, just to mirrow.
[06:27] <Soir> Bilford: ISOs, maybe?
[06:27] <zcat[1] > khermans: I think they should have delayed five more days, just for the coolness factor of releasing at 06:06:06 06/06/06
[06:27] <bimberi> Bilford: shhhh, you're spoiling their fun :P
[06:27] <jtd> can someone give me a brief rundown on how well the x86-64 version of Ubuntu works at the moment?
[06:27] <nhaines> Bilford, for example, the kids' computer is not connected to the Internet, so I am waiting for a final CD to burn to take over and do updates.
[06:27] <Bilford> ok sorry
[06:27] <jtd> (if the answer is "poorly," say no more ;)
[06:28] <rredd4> intelikey i see, i have a .1s lag
[06:28] <rredd4> cable
[06:28] <paradon> jtd: Not very, if you want stuff like Java, Flash, and windows media codecs.
[06:28] <windex> Bilford: this hardware has never run linux nativley.. i'd rather use something as polished as possible/
[06:28] <khermans> zcat[1] , anything is still possible!
[06:28] <jtd> paradon: good to know.  Thanks.
[06:28] <zcat[1] > nah, no more unexpected delays.. it's not vista!!
[06:28] <rredd4> intelikey would a different server help...
[06:28] <Bilford> windex, you like things clean and shiny
[06:28] <intelikey> rredd4 i can't speek of 'band-width' on a 28k modem.
[06:28] <Viaken> jtd: But you can run those things in a chroot, with varying degrees of success.
[06:28] <khermans> Vista looks pretty cool -- too bad it sucks
[06:28] <intelikey> rredd4 it's band narrowness
[06:28] <T313C0mun1s7> JTD unless you need TONS of memory access - stick with 32 bit, there are too many things still not supported
[06:28] <intelikey> :)
[06:29] <rredd4> intelikey  ok, 28k eye eye...
[06:29] <bkh> From what I've seen, Vista has nothing over XGL.
[06:29] <FoX_44470> Microsoft powwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh ! ;)
[06:29] <FoX_44470> lol
[06:29] <DShepherd> what; keep the dapper duck so long?
[06:29] <Viaken> \o/ XGL rox!
[06:29] <jtd> I just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'd when the last time I did it was a few days ago, and only 4 packages were updated.  they must be doing well.
[06:29] <khermans> bkh, yeah XGL rocks man, i love it
[06:29] <jtd> Viaken: what do you mean by running things in a chroot?
[06:29] <Bilford> whats XGL
[06:29] <intelikey> rredd4 only upside, i'm DoS immune
[06:29] <Vaske_Car> ok i am downlaoding 6.06 :)
[06:29] <bkh> XGL seems to work great for me, but Compbiz doesn't like me
[06:29] <jtd> T313C0mun1s7: You get no speed advantage from running 64-bit binaries?
[06:29] <crimsun> khermans: there is a testing page, yes. Some of the issues encountered are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseRadar
[06:30] <Bilford> does Kubuntu use XGL
[06:30] <grv> xgl, the 3d desktop
[06:30] <Viaken> Bilford: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XGL
[06:30] <Bilford> ty
[06:30] <zcat[1] > DShepherd: it's tied up in duck tape..
[06:30] <Hisakasex> how can I check sent mail by postfix?
[06:30] <bkh> XGL is a new system that renders your whole desktop through OpenGL, so you can do all sorts of crazy things
[06:30] <rredd4> intelikey  how do you upgrade to dapper then, friends?  cd?
[06:30] <T313C0mun1s7> JTD only if the binary is native 64bit and VERY FEW are. Even then it is minimal
[06:30] <grv> like watch porn upsidedown
[06:30] <grv> on a cube
[06:30] <Hisakasex> what's the command to check sent mail by postfix?
[06:30] <bkh> Like wobbly windows, desktop switching on a 3d cube, all good stuff
[06:30] <no0ke> what's LTS?
[06:30] <Hisakasex> sorry for my english
[06:30] <intelikey> rredd4 that's what eat all the band-narrowness  :)
[06:31] <IcemanV9> !LTS
[06:31] <ubotu> lts is, like, totally, Long Term Support. LTS versions will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[06:31] <Viaken> jtd: Trying to find you a link.
[06:31] <rredd4> intelikey  must take hours
[06:31] <Bung> has anyone here got opera to work with an application for opening files?
[06:31] <Meshezabeel> ah, thought it was Linux Terminal Server ;)
[06:31] <jtd> T313C0mun1s7: so on my Athlon64 I am much, much better-off running normal 32-bit Ubuntu.
[06:31] <zcat[1] > 'late to servers' -- they delayed it 6 weeks...
[06:31] <Vaske_Car> CentOS 4 is suported till 2018
[06:31] <rendo> When 6.06 is released for download, does anyone recall from 5.10's release if the servers will be slow?
[06:31] <haloe> hey
[06:31] <Bung> i set opera to use qtorrent for torrents, but it loads qtorrent, and no torrents display
[06:31] <P0ldy> It's best to use a torrent to download
[06:31] <intelikey> yeah i let it run while i code or chat or what ever. rredd4
[06:31] <zcat[1] > I'll torrent it...
[06:32] <haloe> have you ever tried azureus or bitcomet
[06:32] <jtd> rendo: BT is your friend :)  and I don't mean British Telecom.
[06:32] <haloe> ???
[06:32] <Meshezabeel> azureus is pretty good
[06:32] <Vaske_Car> How does torrent work?
[06:32] <pjw> Does the alternate version include a ncurses installer?
[06:32] <IcemanV9> torrent will go fast as everyone will torrent iso's
[06:32] <rendo> I know what BT is, I assume that means yes to my question. :P
[06:32] <onkarshinde> haloe: azureusis really good
[06:32] <jtd> BitComet is crap.
[06:32] <T313C0mun1s7> JTD: Here is my thread on my headaches with 64bit and why I changed: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=180600
[06:32] <jtd> Avoid it.
[06:32] <haloe> yeah :)
[06:32] <Meshezabeel> Vaske_Car, don't worry about torrent, you are already downloading 6.06
[06:32] <P0ldy> Yes, please don't use BitComet
[06:32] <haloe> BitComet is crap?
[06:32] <zcat[1] > how many bits could a bit torrent torrent if a bit torrent could torrent bits?
[06:32] <no0ke> when's it coming out???????????????????????
[06:32] <rredd4> gee, I love my cable internet!!
[06:32] <Vaske_Car> I do, it need 50 minutes
[06:32] <cef> zcat[1] : heh
[06:33] <onkarshinde> no0ke: sometime today
[06:33] <jtd> BitComet, last I checked, breaks private torrent protection, which causes some trackers to reject you when you use it.
[06:33] <intelikey> zcat[1]  forty five!
[06:33] <bimberi> no0ke: /topic
[06:33] <haloe> zacat[1] : how many bits could a bit torrent torrent if a bit torrent could torrent bits?
[06:33] <jtd> T313C0mun1s7: Molto grazie.
[06:33] <z4k4ri4> If you already running dapper beta it's better to use jigdo
[06:33] <haloe> copypaste lol
[06:33] <haloe> hahaha
[06:33] <Meshezabeel> if a bit torrent could torrent bits, the bits that a bit torrent could torrent bit if a torrent bit torrent torrents bits
[06:33] <onkarshinde> I am using jigdo.     :)
[06:33] <blanky> Meshezabeel, where'd you copy that from
[06:33] <pjw> The alternate version == the old install version?
[06:34] <pjw> ?
[06:34] <Toma-> what does LTS stand for?
[06:34] <rendo> So is it released yet or no?
[06:34] <no0ke> !lts
[06:34] <z4k4ri4> pjw: yes
[06:34] <ubotu> I guess lts is Long Term Support. LTS versions will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[06:34] <haloe> Bung: hello
[06:34] <P0ldy> BitComet also favors peers using the same client, and sends so many junk packets that you could upload 1.5 of a torrent and not get the full copy out
[06:34] <T313C0mun1s7> By the way for anyone wanting to know why NOT to run 64 bit this is a excellent thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=180600
[06:34] <Meshezabeel> blanky, my twisted mind
[06:34] <blanky> !yourmom
[06:34] <ubotu> blanky: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:34] <onkarshinde> pjw: right
[06:34] <haloe> :O
[06:34] <blanky> lol
[06:34] <blanky> brb
[06:34] <rredd4> !LTS
[06:34] <ubotu> I guess lts is Long Term Support. LTS versions will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[06:34] <Vaske_Car> will 6.06 beta bupdate itself to final version when released?
[06:34] <Toma-> i c
[06:34] <nhaines> Vaske_Car, yes.
[06:34] <OmniD> I refuse to use Ubuntu unless I have mouse trails
[06:34] <zcat[1] > !botsnack
[06:34] <ubotu> thanks zcat[1]  :)
[06:34] <OmniD> I MUST BE SATISFIED
[06:34] <Vaske_Car> :)
[06:34] <eigenlambda> OmniD: lol!
[06:34] <pjw> z4k4ri4: so, Does it include an installer with ncurses?
[06:34] <khermans> OmniD, you can enable them
[06:34] <eigenlambda> lol @ mouse trails
[06:34] <haloe> hey zcat[1]
[06:35] <OmniD> oh sweet. I was joking but hey might as well do it.
[06:35] <haloe> I want to show you something funny
[06:35] <khermans> OmniD, yea yer dum
[06:35] <zcat[1] > the new live-cd GUI installer is sweet...
[06:35] <khermans> lol
[06:35] <eigenlambda> lol
[06:35] <OmniD> :c
[06:35] <z4k4ri4> pjw: yes
[06:35] <Bilford> mouse trails are the reason why I switched to Ubuntu
[06:35] <jtd> P0ldy: I actually didn't know that about BitComet with the whole "favoring peers with same client" thing.
[06:35] <Meshezabeel> yes, that's why most people don't want to switch to linux, because they lose the important things like mouse trails
[06:35] <eigenlambda> Viaken: it's not all its cracked up to be
[06:35] <zcat[1] > mouse trails? important?
[06:35] <Bilford> actually, I use Kubuntu
[06:35] <sally__> if the live cd has an installer, why should I not download the live cd?  what advantages does the non-live cd have
[06:35] <jtd> what's esspresso?
[06:35] <JabberWokky> zcat[1] : If you're visually impaired, they are.
[06:36] <eigenlambda> just get a coolatta-type drink.  those are good.
[06:36] <zcat[1] > perhaps on a crap old 386 laptop, but who the hell needs mousetrails these days?
[06:36] <Vaske_Car> does anybody running Invision Power Board from home?
[06:36] <rendo> So is it released yet or no?
[06:36] <intelikey> eigenlambda we shoul code something called "mouse droppings"   that will leave mouse pills in the corner of the screen if the mouse is idle for very long....  :)
[06:36] <haloe> :O
[06:36] <eigenlambda> espresso is a smal cup of coffee
[06:36] <crimsun> Meshezabeel: dude, ponies are way more important than mouse trails, and vista has ponies, so I'm going with vista.
[06:36] <orbin> sally__: only the dapper live cd has an installer.  previous version did not
[06:36] <grndslm> sally)), the only reason you'd need to use the live cd is for an older computer...in which case you should try xubuntu instead of ubuntu
[06:36] <jtd> eigenlambda: I know that :)  I thought "esspresso" was a program.  Heh.
[06:36] <Viaken> eigenlambda: Well, I haven't heard any of the cracking up, so I can't be let down. ;)
[06:36] <eigenlambda> intelikey: eww!!
[06:36] <bimberi> sally__: specialised install methods (oem, expert, server)
[06:36] <zcat[1] > OMFG!!! Ponies!!!
[06:36] <sally__> bimberi: thanks
[06:36] <grndslm> sally__, scuze me, i meant install cd
[06:36] <eigenlambda> you mean, like phosphor burn-in?
[06:36] <bimberi> sally__: yw :)
[06:37] <nhaines> jtd, the installer is called Ubiquity, not expresso any longer.  ;)
[06:37] <Viaken> crimsun: Ponies??
[06:37] <haloe> lol
[06:37] <eigenlambda> lol
[06:37] <Meshezabeel> crimsun, they used to think no one would ever need more than 64k of mouse trails, but no, we need more of them!!!
[06:37] <Xore> Ponies are so 2 months ago
[06:37] <Toma-> anyone tried the kubuntu RC? is it rock solid?
[06:37] <jtd> I have a question about xfce on Ubuntu (xubuntu).  When you install packages, will apt-get install icons in xfce's menus the way it does for KDE and Gnome?
[06:37] <zcat[1] > Ubuntu 6.06 .. now with PONIES!!
[06:37] <Bilford> lol
[06:37] <eigenlambda> ubuntu- the canonical desktop linux
[06:38] <jtd> OMG!!!!!  PONIES!!!!@!212
[06:38] <DShepherd> Toma-: as in #kubuntu
[06:38] <Vaske_Car> Where can I read new stuff implemented in 6.06?
[06:38] <zcat[1] > sudo apt-get install xteddy
[06:38] <Bung> haloe: yes?
[06:38] <DShepherd> ask*
[06:38] <T313C0mun1s7> I HAVE mounse trails - they go from the corner to under the couch
[06:38] <eigenlambda> i liked the pink slashdot theme
[06:38] <eigenlambda> T313C0mun1s7: lol
[06:38] <onkarshinde> Vaske_Car: what do you mean by this?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Toma-: It's been stable since Flight 6
[06:38] <zcat[1] > I wonder if I can put a pony image into xteddy.. hafta look into that
[06:38] <eigenlambda> these kids in my suite this semester...
[06:38] <shrewd> guys for pentium D (EM64) do i grab the amd64 dapper release or no?
[06:38] <P0ldy> New slashdot redesign is an improvement
[06:38] <eigenlambda> ...they had a mouse in their room
[06:38] <rredd4> hello from Alicia
[06:38] <eigenlambda> it was eating their cheese balls
[06:38] <wulax> wow, 2 mb/s when downloading dapper iso. great.
[06:38] <Bilford> shrewd, it's not out yet
[06:38] <eigenlambda> that weren't covered
[06:38] <DShepherd> P0ldy: very much so
[06:38] <Vaske_Car> onkarshinde, what will be new in 6.06 comparing to 5.10
[06:38] <DShepherd> P0ldy: i like it
[06:39] <shrewd> Bilford: thanks for that, i'll wait :(
[06:39] <jtd> shrewd: general agreement seems to be "no."  not worth the marginal speed boost for almost all applications.
[06:39] <nhaines> Vaske_Car, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperrc
[06:39] <eigenlambda> dumb kids... having uncovered food in their room...
[06:39] <onkarshinde> Vaske_Car: search for release notes on wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:39] <Toma-> shrewd: id say stick with x86. youll be able to use flash, w32codecs and so on
[06:39] <jtd> shrewd: I actually just asked a similar question :)
[06:39] <P0ldy> DShepherd, I prefer the runner up, but anything short of ponies is better than what it is now
[06:39] <crimsun> well obviously edgy will have ponies...
[06:39] <Vaske_Car> With Ubuntu 6.06 LTS RC comes many bug fixes, improved artwork, and general fixes all around.
[06:39] <DShepherd> P0ldy: the runner up is good but i like the winner
[06:39] <nhaines> Vaske_Car, keep reading.
[06:39] <FoX_44470> Dapper is now released ! :D For the link, sent me 1000$
[06:40] <jtd> so why is there all this bitching from the Debian project about the Ubuntu project?  What's the real story there?
[06:40] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install ponylib
[06:40] <intelikey> why is fortune-mod part of the default server ?
[06:40] <wulax> crazy crapper
[06:40] <Vaske_Car> Note: This is still a development release. Do not install it on production machines. The final stable version will be released in June of 2006.
[06:40] <DShepherd> crimsun: jamaican ponies too:-)
[06:40] <DaSkreech> haloe: You forgot to .configure
[06:40] <jtd> Bilford: heh
[06:40] <P0ldy> FoX_44470, expect a payment from my nigerian friend soon
[06:40] <haloe> lol
[06:40] <Vaske_Car> Is this the one that we downloading
[06:40] <T313C0mun1s7> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=180600  Why I chose not to run x63 on a Athlon 64 X2 4200+
[06:40] <cluehammer> any news? or should i just say screw it and go to bed?
[06:40] <eigenlambda> debian purists wish debian could be ubuntu
[06:40] <Meshezabeel> I hear that they are going to beef up ship-it to ship a hard copy of the Internet to the first 6006 people that order Ubuntu CDs.
[06:40] <DShepherd> FoX_44470: can i write u a check
[06:40] <eigenlambda> ...i wish ubuntu had been debian
[06:40] <DShepherd> ?
[06:40] <jtd> 63-bit processors?
[06:40] <jtd> wow.
[06:40] <haloe> anyone want to make things easier
[06:40] <onkarshinde> cluehammer: better go to bed
[06:40] <haloe> 64?
[06:40] <cluehammer> debian: would you like some fries with that 1337ism
[06:40] <cluehammer> night all
[06:40] <haloe> 63 is obsolete
[06:40] <eigenlambda> my dad used to work on 36-bit processors...
[06:40] <Meshezabeel> eigenlambda, ubuntu was debian ;)
[06:41] <haloe> lol
[06:41] <intelikey> cluehammer
[06:41] <nhaines> Vaske_Car, eitehr that or a less stable version, because 6.06 is not  out yet.
[06:41] <haloe> 32
[06:41] <T313C0mun1s7> I save a bit for rainy days
[06:41] <FoX_44470> I accept all sort of money !
[06:41] <cluehammer> ?
[06:41] <haloe> 2-4-8-16-32-64-128
[06:41] <jtd> no
[06:41] <eigenlambda> i think one of those architectures is still in debian/stable
[06:41] <haloe> is it that hard?
[06:41] <Vaske_Car> nhaines, this is June, is this 6.06 final version or beta?
[06:41] <rendo> Where are the prime numbers?
[06:41] <haloe> 1
[06:41] <rendo> I NEED PRIME NUMBERS
[06:41] <Vaske_Car> oh
[06:41] <haloe> lol
[06:41] <jtd> 4 8 15 16 23 42
[06:41] <P0ldy> Debian is supposed to be getting their release cycles out faster
[06:42] <Meshezabeel> Vaske_Car, final version
[06:42] <T313C0mun1s7> No it is not hard, just put a bit in your pocket
[06:42] <Xore> rendo: 2^p - 1
[06:42] <intelikey> haloe you know binarry ?      i heard there are 10 kinds of people in the world,   those that know binarry and those that dont.
[06:42] <T313C0mun1s7> Id you need extra bits shake a floppy over a bowl
[06:42] <mjb> Hey is 'Always on visible Workspace' determined by metacity?
[06:42] <haloe> zcat[1]  need to steal bill gates pc!
[06:42] <haloe> lol
[06:42] <nhaines> Vaske_Car, there is no final version yet.  It will happen later on today.  Watch http://www.ubuntu.com/download for the release.
[06:42] <Efnian> mjb, I wish I could customize a shortcut for that
[06:42] <zcat[1] > intelikey: no, there are 10 kinds.. those that know binary, those that don't, and those that mistake it for trinary..
[06:42] <haloe> intelikey: yes
[06:42] <Viaken> 2 3 5 7 11 13 17
[06:43] <Viaken> Primes for you, rendo.
[06:43] <haloe> intelikey: want to be member
[06:43] <shrewd> so the regular ubuntu install disk is what i want for a pentium D and SMP will work nicely?
[06:43] <mjb> I was looking to see if I drag a window to a second monitor that property automatically gets set
[06:43] <haloe> I am hunting for members
[06:43] <T313C0mun1s7> If you really want to throw your computer for a loop, give it a 2
[06:43] <Xore> zcat[1] : ternary, i think
[06:43] <mjb> .. like a pallette
[06:43] <majd> !lamp
[06:43] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[06:43] <zcat[1] > yeah, whatever :)
[06:43] <Hisakasex> what's the command to check sent mail by postfix?
[06:43] <nhaines> shrewd, that's right.
[06:43] <T313C0mun1s7> and that would be 11 kinds
[06:43] <eigenlambda> lol php
[06:43] <mjb> I was thinking some hack script might do the trick...
[06:43] <zcat[1] > 11 kinds in binary, 10 kinds in ternary..
[06:44] <JoseStefan> shrewd, you might need to install a 686 package
[06:44] <bkh> So when Edgy Eft is ready, will Dapper Drake be considered a lame duck?
[06:44] <jtd> ...
[06:44] <intelikey> no just 2
[06:44] <Vaske_Car> majd, im not sure that this tutorial work well... i come to the point where i have to edit php.ini and it open empty file..
[06:44] <rendo> No.,
[06:44] <rendo> Mediocre Mallard. :/
[06:44] <jtd> OH GOD
[06:44] <shrewd> thanks :)
[06:44] <majd> Vaske_Car, that's not good
[06:44] <T313C0mun1s7> Dont make me explain binary please
[06:44] <eigenlambda> ya, i can't wait to see what's in edgy
[06:44] <Vaske_Car> majd, you try anyway
[06:45] <eigenlambda> i wonder if there's going to be some *actual* pr0n on the cd
[06:45] <bkh> Would you say that it's making you edgy, eigenlambda?
[06:45] <Hobart> bkh -> no, when Eft is out, they'll call Drake "Etch".
[06:45] <Hmmmm> guys, i want to resinatll my machine and install dapper. how do i backup azureus so I cna continue the downloads?will backing up the .azureus do?
[06:45] <haloe> I have a game
[06:45] <Flannel> bkh: not really.  Edgy is going to be unstable, well, unstable compared to dapper.
[06:45] <mjb> Are there any metacity hackers in the audience?
[06:45] <haloe> stop typing for 1 min.
[06:45] <zcat[1] > Hmmmm: yes
[06:45] <eigenlambda> instead of just, lookind down on some chick's blouse
[06:45] <Meshezabeel> zcat[1]  what about those that make the mistake of quaternary?
[06:45] <Hmmmm> zcat[1] , cool thatnks
[06:45] <P0ldy> Hmmmm, why reinstall?  you could upgrade.
[06:45] <T313C0mun1s7> haloe: use the scroll bar
[06:45] <zcat[1] > eigenlambda: you never installed calendar did you?
[06:45] <haloe> lol
[06:45] <Hmmmm> P0ldy, i know. but iv been upgrading for a while. and I'd like to clean a few things up
[06:46] <eigenlambda> i don't use a calendar, no
[06:46] <P0ldy> Hmmmm, ah
[06:46] <haloe> anyone want to join me in opera irc
[06:46] <eigenlambda> actually, i don't use ubuntu yet.  going to install tomorrow
[06:46] <nhaines> Okay, I've got some stuff to take care of.  Take care, everyone.  :)
[06:46] <zcat[1] > eigenlambda: it was a series of wallpapers of actual naked people...
[06:46] <JoseStefan> does this channel always have this much activity? (900 users)
[06:46] <haloe> this is so funny
[06:46] <P0ldy> yes
[06:46] <Meshezabeel> why would someone want to download the install disc rather than the live disc?
[06:46] <Efnian> yes
[06:46] <GeorgeClooney> im here for the release party!!!!!
[06:46] <eigenlambda> zcat[1] : sweet!
[06:46] <GeorgeClooney> heh
[06:46] <haloe> I cam here for ubuntu and noone can help
[06:46] <eigenlambda> where?
[06:46] <haloe> lol!
[06:46] <rendo> !LTS
[06:46] <ubotu> well, lts is Long Term Support. LTS versions will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[06:46] <Efnian> Meshezabeel, I do the Expert instal.
[06:46] <Vaske_Car> is there any REPAIR feature in Ubuntu in case that it crash?
[06:46] <rendo> A hammer.
[06:46] <T313C0mun1s7> haloe - but you were wanting to leave and play a game
[06:47] <jtd> you know what I want to see in Edgy?
[06:47] <P0ldy> yeah... init 1
[06:47] <Das|Sleeping> What's the command to see all proccess running again?
[06:47] <eigenlambda> Vaske_Car: like what?
[06:47] <bkh> I'm in the same position, I've been using SuSE for the last few years, but 10.1 is just f'd up, so I'm looking to switch to Ubuntu or CentOS...
[06:47] <nhaines> Vaske_Car, yes, there is a recovery option in grub at startup.
[06:47] <jtd> A replacement for INIT, for the love of God.
[06:47] <Meshezabeel> Efnian, you can't do this under live cd?
[06:47] <Xore> If Neo was the One of the matrix. Eigenlambda is it's zero. (laugh dammit, it's funny) (no offense, eigenlambda)
[06:47] <zcat[1] > ubuntu-calendar - The Ubuntu Calendar features monthly updated artwork and themes
[06:47] <eigenlambda> Das|Sleeping: try ps -ax
[06:47] <eigenlambda> or top
[06:47] <h3h_timo> can i update yet???????????????
[06:47] <jtd> Linux STILL does serial boot-up
[06:47] <Efnian> Meshezabeel, actually, I have no idea, I'm playing it safe.
[06:47] <GeorgeClooney> i told the internet people that i had to have the net today so that i could upgrade to dapper, how sad is that.  they were very confused on the phone and told me that their internet service required windows 98 or higher and were utterly confused by the name dapper
[06:47] <haloe> Efnian P0ldy want to join you can get a much better conversation
[06:47] <h3h_timo> what is serial boot up
[06:47] <Viaken> !tell h3h_timo about dapper
[06:47] <Vaske_Car> well i just compare to Windows... im still in process to migrate to Ubuntu completly so i just want to know..
[06:47] <bkh> But isn't the matrix written in hex?
[06:47] <jtd> and if one thing is blocking, the entire boot sequence stops.
[06:48] <bkh> On those screens with the green letters...
[06:48] <eigenlambda> kinda funny...
[06:48] <Xore> ;_;
[06:48] <eigenlambda> i guess the Matrix isn't invertible, then
[06:48] <jtd> h3h_timo: it means that, for example, if the boot sequence is waiting on an IP address from DHCP, nothing else happens while it's waiting.  the system just sits there and waits.
[06:48] <eigenlambda> if one of the eigenvalues is 0
[06:48] <P0ldy> GeorgeClooney, lol.  'What version of Windows is a Dapper?'
[06:48] <rredd4> will Canonical offer help if I email them a question?
[06:48] <rendo> I used to work for an ISP
[06:48] <rendo> We didn't support linux.
[06:48] <h3h_timo> jtd, it does that for anything it tries to do?
[06:48] <rendo> People got pissed when they called.
[06:49] <Vaske_Car> Next release should be named Ubuntu Mega, it sound nice :)
[06:49] <zcat[1] > jtd: you can esily background that, but if something else needs an IP address and dhcp hasn't finished yet, things can get unpredictable
[06:49] <haloe> irc://irc.opera.com/general
[06:49] <haloe> irc://irc.opera.com/general
[06:49] <haloe> irc://irc.opera.com/general
[06:49] <haloe> irc://irc.opera.com/general
[06:49] <haloe> irc://irc.opera.com/general
[06:49] <T313C0mun1s7> I have a copy of Windows 1 (for really and for true - I keep it next to my copy of OS/2)
[06:49] <crimsun> haloe: ok, that's enough spam kthx
[06:49] <haloe> FLOODING wont I get banned>
[06:49] <eigenlambda> haloe: nice flood
[06:49] <jtd> zcat: the system should still start, though.  this is especially important for laptops.
[06:49] <haloe> lol
[06:49] <Xore> /quit and /part were in a channel. /part left. who was still there?
[06:49] <haloe> this is crazy
[06:49] <jtd> wow.  someone uses direcpc.
[06:49] <grv> lol
[06:49] <JoseStefan> what version of linux would be good for an old 486/25 with 32mb of ram?
[06:49] <grv> xore:)
[06:49] <intelikey> /quit
[06:50] <jtd> h3h_timo: yup.
[06:50] <haloe> I use ubuntu and I wanted to ask what is difference
[06:50] <Xore> COMEDY GOLD
[06:50] <Xore> i suck
[06:50] <grv> /part ?
[06:50] <zcat[1] > yeah.. there's a package I think for laptops that checks if anything is actually plugged IN to the netweork port and skips dhcp if not..
[06:50] <haloe> ubuntu kubunu
[06:50] <Kyral> JoseStefan: Damn Small Linux
[06:50] <grv> :D
[06:50] <h3h_timo> jtd, is it ever gonna change
[06:50] <P0ldy> JoseStefan, what are you going to do with it
[06:50] <haloe> ???
[06:50] <GeorgeClooney> P0ldy then they insult me with having a windows only setup... i am glad that my gfs computer has windows or i would have been very upset.  last time the guy came to set it up he was like "is this a mac?"  i said no, this is linux and he said oh that line x thing that i always hear about... ok
[06:50] <T313C0mun1s7> I use ubantu server with fluxbox on a 486 w/ 32meg - but there is a lot of work setting it up
[06:50] <haloe> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[06:50] <JoseStefan> well actually it's has an overdrive = 586/133
[06:50] <rredd4> JoseStefan  Damn small linux is great
[06:50] <eigenlambda> haloe: try "ph'nglui mglw'nafh Gthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" for your next flood
[06:50] <jtd> h3h_timo: I dunno.  people make noises about replacing INIT with a parallel boot-up system of some kind all the time, but so far I don't know of any distribution that uses one.
[06:50] <wims> klined
[06:50] <wims> that's nice
[06:50] <GeorgeClooney> i am syco54645 normally by the way, i just didnt want to identify
[06:50] <jtd> eigenlambda: heh
[06:50] <JoseStefan> Nostalgia, it was my first PC
[06:50] <orbin> wims: he deserved it
[06:51] <h3h_timo> jtd, well... thats new info thanks for explaining
[06:51] <GeorgeClooney> but this is getting too chatty for a help chat, so i am out of here, back to my other apartment where my ac works.
[06:51] <Flannel> eigenlambda: is that klingon?
[06:51] <DrewMarin> woot
[06:51] <jtd> zcat[1] : doesn't help if you have wireless.
[06:51] <bkh> CTHULHU F'TAGN!
[06:51] <jtd> IA!  IA!
[06:51] <Xore> <noise type="random" source="camel" />
[06:51] <T313C0mun1s7> The processor is not going to be the problem - memory is the killer
[06:51] <JoseStefan> so I might have a chance with ubuntu-server ?
[06:51] <zcat[1] > I tell people I'm running a preview that hasn't been released yet.
[06:52] <P0ldy> GeorgeClooney, you shouldn't even have to tell them what OS you're using.  If you know the issue, just have them elevate you to tier2 tech support so you don't have to get the "do this reboot do this" shit
[06:52] <rendo> Anyone know if Cedega will support DX10?
[06:52] <T313C0mun1s7> I started with the base install, then custom, and started stripping out un-needed stuff
[06:52] <IcemanV9> JoseStefan: yea. try to install server
[06:52] <DShepherd> zcat[1] : i cant wait for edgy too
[06:52] <hkl8324> I checked shipit and it said the CD have been shipped to the shipping company on 31/5, what does that mean? The CD is the not final LTS or?
[06:52] <bkh> Meshezabeel: That isn't Klingon
[06:52] <Xore> oh no!
[06:52] <orbin> rendo: ask in #cedega
[06:52] <Xore> we're back below 900 people in here
[06:52] <grv> cedega probably doesnt even know if theyll support it:P
[06:52] <rendo> I'm lazy, can't you do it for me? :p
[06:52] <Saj> lol
[06:53] <DShepherd> Xore: yeah
[06:53] <JoseStefan> 900
[06:53] <zcat[1] > I think I can wait for edgy.. dapper is pretty sweet already. Everything I need for a while anyhow..
[06:53] <nbx909> yeah i found the link early
[06:53] <nbx909> lol
[06:53] <Saj> :D
[06:53] <Hmmmm> when does xubuntu a la dapper get released? wanted to see how much faster it runs than gnome
[06:53] <DShepherd> zcat[1] : same here.. been running dapper from Feb
[06:53] <nbx909> well not me a friend of mine
[06:53] <nbx909> lol
[06:53] <Hmmmm> !xubuntu
[06:53] <ubotu> xubuntu is probably Ubuntu using Xfce instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://www.xubuntu.org
[06:53] <zcat[1] > Hey, I just found a torrent link on ubuntu.com for 6.06-LTS
[06:53] <jbroome> omg omg omg
[06:53] <jrsims> Hello! Anyone know how I can have drop-shadows in gnome?
[06:53] <GianLuigiBuffon> hi m8s!!!!
[06:53] <DShepherd> Hmmmm: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <zcat[1] > ummm no sorry, just kidding :)
[06:54] <Hmmmm> DShepherd, cool thanks
[06:54] <troy_s> jrsims:  Do a search for compiz / xgl
[06:54] <DShepherd> Hmmmm: np
[06:54] <GianLuigiBuffon> I'm running Ubuntu 5.05 Breezy and I want to upgrate to Dapper.... the question is... how? xD
[06:54] <jrsims> troy_s: yeah, is that anywhere near stable yet?
[06:54] <jtd> will sudo apt-get remove --recursive ubuntu-desktop eliminate GNOME for you?
[06:54] <Xaero_Vincent> 900 people here? wtf
[06:54] <majd> where does php.ini install into?
[06:54] <eigenlambda> Flannel: no, it's what the Cthulhu cultists chant
[06:54] <Meshezabeel> bkh: well then go get me a shrubbery
[06:54] <troy_s> jrsims:  pretty stable for most.
[06:54] <JoseStefan> the are some unconfirmed links on the ubuntu forums
[06:54] <bkh> Meshezabeel: No, you'll just want another one.
[06:54] <majd> Xaero_Vincent, dapper release
[06:54] <jrsims> troy_s: I think I've already installed the packages. How do I enable?
[06:54] <GianLuigiBuffon> Cthulhu rules!!!!
[06:54] <Meshezabeel> :)
[06:54] <intelikey> jtd no  remove gconf
[06:55] <troy_s> jrsims:  if gl accellerated cards were open spec, probably more stable.  send mail to nvidia and ati.
[06:55] <Fracture>  /m
[06:55] <Soir> GianLuigiBuffon: With magical powers! And selective editing of /etc/apt/sources.list. Read the wiki for more info
[06:55] <Xore> Xaero_Vincent: 900 people in here is nothing. you should see how many people are going to be in #vista when it releases. (0)
[06:55] <jtd> GianLuigiBuffon: change all the lines that say "breezy" in your /etc/apt/sources.list to say "dapper."
[06:55] <eigenlambda> i think the GNAA is a kind of secular Cthulhu cult
[06:55] <troy_s> jrsims: let me find a link.
[06:55] <Meshezabeel> ni ni ni ni
[06:55] <GianLuigiBuffon> :O
[06:55] <jtd> intelikey: ah.  that makes sense.  all depends on gconf :)
[06:55] <Saj> dapper will be runing gnome?
[06:55] <Meshezabeel> ni
[06:55] <jessy_> where is dapper drake ? :s
[06:55] <GianLuigiBuffon> so better downloading dapper drake?
[06:55] <troy_s> jrsims:  try the wiki too.  here is the forums link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127090
[06:55] <rendo> It's not a question of how many will be in #vista, but more so how many people call in Microsoft because the OS fails to install properly. :P
[06:55] <troy_s> !xgl
[06:55] <ubotu> from memory, xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[06:56] <troy_s> !compiz
[06:56] <ubotu> Compiz is a compositing manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. See http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz -- Installation howto's:   http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.
[06:56] <rredd4> zcat   made me look, lol
[06:56] <Merturk_NB|hw> will there be a seperate iso for xubuntu?
[06:56] <Viaken> GianLuigiBuffon: sed -i.bak -e 's/breezy/dapper/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:56] <jtd> hm.
[06:56] <Xore> One of the big questions: What if Microsoft made an operating system, and Nobody Came?
[06:56] <jtd> I wonder if you can have KDE running on one facet of an XGL cube and Gnome running on another.
[06:56] <troy_s> jrsims:  enough?
[06:56] <Xore> s/Came/Cared/;      ?
[06:56] <jrsims> troy_s: yeah, thanks!
[06:56] <Soir> Viaken: mmmm, one line dapper.
[06:56] <GianLuigiBuffon> just that viaken?
[06:56] <P0ldy> XGL's exxxcellent
[06:56] <Hisakasex> how can I check sent mail by postfix?
[06:56] <Efnian> jtd, yeah, and XFCE on third and fluxbox on fourth.
[06:57] <Hisakasex> sorry for asking the same again.. I went to eat
[06:57] <grv> i dont think anyone knows hisakasex:(
[06:57] <GianLuigiBuffon> sed: couldn't open temporary file /etc/apt//sedGrD8Zz: Permission denied
[06:57] <jtd> Efnian: ... I may weep.  :D
[06:57] <intelikey> jtd yeah. you will need to renistall x-window-system-core   assuming you are keeping X    and  deborphan is your friend
[06:57] <GianLuigiBuffon> I'll put sude first
[06:57] <Soir> sudo would be good, yes
[06:57] <jtd> intelikey: "deborphan?"
[06:57] <Merturk_NB|hw> will there be a different ISO for xubuntu?
[06:57] <rredd4> will Canonical offer help if I email them a question?
[06:57] <GianLuigiBuffon> denied
[06:57] <intelikey> jtd yes
[06:57] <Viaken> Oh yeah...forgot my sudos. lol
[06:57] <jrsims> troy_s: wait, is this a memory hog, or mostly handled by my vid card?
[06:57] <troy_s> merturk: one would think so.
[06:57] <Efnian> Merturk_NB|hw, yes.
[06:57] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: 1000+?
[06:57] <Soir> Merturk_NB|hw: eventually, yeah.
[06:57] <rob_p> Hisakasex:  Probably by viewing Postfix's logfile.
[06:57] <troy_s> jrsims:  hard to say ultimately.  test and watch your resources.
[06:57] <JoseStefan> in theory, dapper should be released before the 2nd so we have 19h left (tops)
[06:57] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: its falling
[06:57] <jrsims> k
[06:57] <Merturk_NB|hw> Soir, eventually?
[06:58] <grv> lol josestefan
[06:58] <jtd> intelikey: why do you need that?
[06:58] <zcat[1] > sorry, only 7 now...
[06:58] <Xore> the 24h topic was up at LEAST 10 hours ago, to my knowledge, so it's down to under 14
[06:58] <GianLuigiBuffon> Viaken that command doesn't work... access denied
[06:58] <intelikey> jtd i do a looping deborphan to clean out all unnessary libs
[06:58] <troy_s> jrsims:  with novell developing it, i suspect it will get refined quite rapidly.
[06:58] <Merturk_NB|hw> Soir, easier to just install a server and run sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[06:58] <nbx909> no
[06:58] <jrsims> troy_s: yeah, I'm looking forward to it
[06:58] <Viaken> GianLuigiBuffon: You'll have to sudo everything: sudo sed -i.bak -e 's/breezy/dapper/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:58] <Saj> interesting.
[06:58] <JoseStefan> well it's almost 05:00 GMT
[06:58] <shrewd> anybody used suse10.1?
[06:58] <nbx909> i tried that Merturk_NB|hw it takes for ever lol
[06:58] <jtd> intelikey: ... oooohhh.  You know, I have always wanted to know how to do that :D
[06:59] <Merturk_NB|hw> well, i've got a cable modem
[06:59] <troy_s> jrsims:   your computer will still work without wobbly windows ;)
[06:59] <bkh> shrewd: I am right now... which is why I'm looking at Ubuntu
[06:59] <Merturk_NB|hw> 600 kb/s plus
[06:59] <shrewd> re:suse10.1: what did you think?
[06:59] <Saj> 1 thing that will make ubuntu great is a cedega type thing built in:D
[06:59] <Soir> Merturk_NB|hw: That's what I did. I dunno if they're putting out a new iso immediately, I'd have -supposed- they would ;)
[06:59] <jtd> intelikey: That should be made part of some kind of "clean up your system" package.
[06:59] <GianLuigiBuffon> i pushed enter
[06:59] <jsestri2> what file would i edit to pass parameters to mysqld when it starts up with a new session?
[06:59] <rob138> are there any torrents of 6.06 iso?
[06:59] <GianLuigiBuffon> and nothing happened
[06:59] <jrsims> troy_s: yeah, I think I can do without wobbly windows, but drop shadows would be nice.
[06:59] <GianLuigiBuffon> is normal ?
[06:59] <Soir> nbx909: try upgrading from 4.10 in stages and then installing xubuntu-desktop ;)
[06:59] <Saj> but thats a dream for now:(
[06:59] <GianLuigiBuffon> or I must do something more
[06:59] <troy_s> jesetri2:  what are you trying to do exactly?
[06:59] <jrsims> troy_s: btw, know how I can check my version of xorg?
[06:59] <nbx909> Soir, lol
[06:59] <troy_s> rob:  yes.
[06:59] <JoseStefan> the ubuntuforums has "unconfirmed" links
[07:00] <bkh> SuSE has completely lost it.  The Developers treat releases like betas and Novell execs are forcing things like ZenWorks onto SuSE in a misguided attempt to boost sales
[07:00] <troy_s> jrsims:  what version of ubuntu you running?
[07:00] <Viaken> GianLuigiBuffon: Give it a little time.
[07:00] <rob138> troy_s where can i find them?
[07:00] <intelikey> jtd install deborphan and do this       [ $UID -gt 1 ]  && SU=sudo ;while deborphan | grep [A-z]  >/dev/null 2>&1 ;do $SU apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` ;done
[07:00] <lin> \q
[07:00] <GianLuigiBuffon> yeah but it finished at the moment
[07:00] <DarkTower> how stable will doing an upgrade from breezy be when dapper is released?
[07:00] <troy_s> rob138:  i THINK there are torrent listings at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[07:00] <jrsims> troy_s: most current dapper
[07:00] <troy_s> whoops
[07:00] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: what?
[07:00] <troy_s> cdimages.ubuntu.com
[07:00] <rob_p> troy_s:  Yup!
[07:00] <intelikey> you can script that.  i wrote it.  it's GNU
[07:00] <GianLuigiBuffon> now is working
[07:00] <JoseStefan> there is a rumor that the current dailys = final
[07:00] <GianLuigiBuffon> before it didn't request me the password and nothing
[07:01] <rob138> troy_s thanks
[07:01] <jrsims> troy_s: nm, looked at synaptic. I have 7
[07:01] <rob_p> troy_s:  Oops!  Wrong rob :-)
[07:01] <GianLuigiBuffon> so... when It finish, I'll have dapper then?
[07:01] <grndslm> does anybody know how to use flash memory as part of system memory, like vista does?  i gotta admit, that's pretty amazing that microsoft came up with a measly one new feature to the software industry
[07:01] <troy_s> guys, ubuntu is where it is at.  i believe mark has a few tricks up his sleeve regarding sun... we shall need to wait and see.
[07:01] <bimberi> JoseStefan: that's pretty likely
[07:01] <GianLuigiBuffon> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:01] <GianLuigiBuffon>  is this ok?
[07:01] <troy_s> the open sourcing of java soon and mark's response from the sun crowd was enough to suggest some back room chitters.
[07:01] <eigenlambda> No.   Sun going to support it or what?
[07:02] <eigenlambda> it *will* destroy your flash
[07:02] <grndslm> eigenlambda, why?
[07:02] <eigenlambda> flash can only be rewritten a certain number of times.
[07:02] <DarkTower> grndslm: how much would that gain you? where does it say vista is doing that?
[07:02] <Viaken> GianLuigiBuffon: It should be. I get that error sometimes, too.
[07:02] <troy_s> jrsims:  depends on how you read it.  if sun wants to jettison the whole os aspect and focus on pure corp, it is an interesting situation... :)
[07:02] <DarkTower> wsouldnt make sense to use flash memory like that
[07:02] <JoseStefan> i rather have a ramdrive composed of DDR, but that's expensive
[07:02] <grndslm> DarkTower, i don't recall the site, but look it up if you'd like
[07:02] <bkh> It's an awful lot of writes, but swap gets re-written constantly
[07:02] <Viaken> GianLuigiBuffon: That said, proceed at your own risk. Ctrl-C if you want to stop it.
[07:02] <eigenlambda> using it like it's disk space is commonplace, because that's what it is like
[07:02] <GianLuigiBuffon> viaken  now appeared for update... with a large list of stuff that wont be installed
[07:02] <GianLuigiBuffon> no, it's done
[07:02] <eigenlambda> using it as main memory is stupid beyond belief
[07:02] <chuck> How do I setup Xserver to use system RAM as video RAM?
[07:03] <Merturk_NB|hw> well, this weekend I'm opening up a Tattoo Parlor running almost pure Ubuntu 6.06
[07:03] <jrsims> troy_s: think that's what they want to do?  It's now 12:03AM CST!
[07:03] <grndslm> eigenlambda, there is no flash that can be written to like ram?
[07:03] <Merturk_NB|hw> minus one manager (my father) that is staying on Windows
[07:03] <vinboy> happy dapper day
[07:03] <DarkTower> grndslm: sorry but as you can see from peoples responses that doesnt make sense, may have read wrong or the site was bs
[07:03] <troy_s> jrsims:  I don't know.  But one would think that having Mark on stage has something to do with something.
[07:03] <eigenlambda> grndslm: it can be written to like ram...
[07:03] <Merturk_NB|hw> he just hard a heart attack, so I don't want to stress him out
[07:03] <eigenlambda> ...but that's a dumb idea
[07:03] <grv> idk why they gotta be secretive on the release:/
[07:03] <jet87> Joetheodd: CDT, you mean?
[07:03] <Xaero_Vincent> why would u need Ubuntu in a Tatto Parlor?
[07:03] <grndslm> i'll take your guys' word for it....
[07:03] <eigenlambda> of course it's random access
[07:03] <chuck> How do I setup Xserver to use system RAM as video RAM?
[07:03] <zcat[1] > Thu Jun  1 17:03:36 NZST 2006
[07:03] <jrsims> troy_s: what presentation is this, and where can I get the video?
[07:03] <grndslm> i just can't believe they'd implement such a dumb idea then
[07:03] <jsestri2> grv: so they don't get bombed at a specific time
[07:04] <eigenlambda> ya
[07:04] <DarkTower> vinboy: happy dapper
[07:04] <eigenlambda> neither can i
[07:04] <grv> they'll get bombed anyway~___~
[07:04] <zcat[1] > dammit, we're running out of day over here!!!
[07:04] <Joetheodd> jet87: Central Standard Time
[07:04] <troy_s> http://www.webaugur.com/dave/blogger/2006/05/sun-ubuntu-aha.html
[07:04] <eigenlambda> i think you read something wrong, or read something wrong
[07:04] <leboff> can someone link me that forum post?
[07:04] <jsestri2> grv: theres a diff between a huge load, and a huge load instantly
[07:04] <troy_s> jrsims:  try that for a few quotes.
[07:04] <GianLuigiBuffon> Now i'm on synaptics upgrading
[07:04] <GianLuigiBuffon> I hope to do it well
[07:04] <GianLuigiBuffon> xD
[07:04] <troy_s> jrsims:  google will yield many more.
[07:04] <vinboy> should I get a p4 or amd64?
[07:04] <jrsims> sweet
[07:04] <vinboy> i don't do much gaming
[07:04] <troy_s> vinboy: amd
[07:04] <spartas> joetheodd: Central Daylight Time
[07:04] <DarkTower> how stable is doing an upgrade from breezy when dapper is out??
[07:04] <Efnian> vinboy, amd
[07:04] <jet87> CST would be an hour back from what it is right now, i'm from around chicago and its just after 12
[07:04] <vinboy> ok
[07:04] <grndslm> get a core duo
[07:04] <troy_s> vinboy:  check how they support open source
[07:04] <GianLuigiBuffon> is going to download 1600 files... is that ok?????
[07:04] <IcemanV9> Joetheodd: Central Daylight Time (CDT)
[07:04] <troy_s> vinboy:  and intel is closed closed closed.
[07:05] <DarkTower> vinboy: amd
[07:05] <vinboy> troy_s: oh ic
[07:05] <Viaken> brb
[07:05] <GianLuigiBuffon> 1165
[07:05] <Saj> vinboy: amd64 is better....get x2 though
[07:05] <troy_s> vinboy:  and now in bed with the worst of all closed companies:  apple.
[07:05] <vinboy> sounds good to me
[07:05] <vinboy> Saj: x2 is expensive :(
[07:05] <troy_s> vinboy:  you WONT be dissapointed.  get an x2
[07:05] <leboff> can some one give me that forum with the links to the distros?
[07:05] <grndslm> distrowatch.com
[07:05] <JoseStefan> vinboy: wait for Conroe "Core Duo 2" to be released, compare to AMD's AM2 socket, then decide
[07:05] <jsestri2> anyone here interested in fixing a problem and not just blabbing about the release?
[07:05] <DarkTower> troy_s: i like amd much better, but how is intel closed?? I find whenever i want something to work with ubuntu i use original intel and all is fine
[07:05] <grv> core duo is very good too
[07:05] <troy_s> vinboy:  naw... don't even try to compare the x2 to the cheapo "core Duo(tm)(c)(blah)"
[07:05] <crimsun> jsestri2: shoot.
[07:05] <grndslm> core duo!
[07:05] <paradon> Re: Windows Vista and Flash : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperFetch
[07:05] <Joetheodd> spartas, IcemanV9, I may be wrong but at least I'm not politically correct. ^_^
[07:05] <troy_s> darktower:  do some research.
[07:05] <vinboy> ic
[07:05] <grndslm> that's it
[07:05] <grv> u can compare them
[07:05] <grv> benchmarks
[07:06] <Merturk_NB|hw> to bad I won't get all these cool features on my 500 mhz machine :-/
[07:06] <troy_s> darktower:  amd actively supports the open source movement.
[07:06] <vinboy> ok i prolly go check out the x2 then, thanks guys
[07:06] <Saj> vinboy: i know but 1 3200 x2 is wquivilant of 2 3200 64s...
[07:06] <jsestri2> crimsun: ah, great, i'm trying to pass some parameters to mysqld when it starts up...point me in the direction of where those go?
[07:06] <GianLuigiBuffon> viaken all that stuff is ok? The 1160 files from synaptics and all of that?
[07:06] <zcat[1] > Merturk_NB|hw: I ran compiz on a 500 with an earlyish nvidia cark.. not great but surprisingly geed..
[07:06] <vinboy> by the way, do u guys run 64bit ubuntu? if not, what is the gain of getting an amd64 cpu?
[07:06] <zcat[1] > *good
[07:06] <DShepherd> Merturk_NB|hw: nope.. not a chance :-)
[07:06] <crimsun> jsestri2: /etc/init.d/mysql
[07:06] <GianLuigiBuffon> I've marken all upgrades (it requested it for updating)=
[07:06] <DShepherd> Merturk_NB|hw: and if you do.. it wont be worth it
[07:06] <DarkTower> troy_s: sorry thats not much of an argument, And saying amd supports open source doesnt mean intel is closed, one doesnt follow from the other. As i said i like amd better, but unless you can give an example of how closed intel is that doesnt make sense
[07:07] <vinboy> Saj: wow, tat sound amazing!
[07:07] <Saj> 64bit cpu is a difrent asepct of the thing
[07:07] <jet87> i'm trying to figure out if i want to do a ubuntu install on the core duo laptop i'm getting, or just run it with vmware as a hypervisor in xp
[07:07] <tempname> !grub
[07:07] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[07:07] <jsestri2> crimsun: thanks a bunch.
[07:07] <JoseStefan> 64bit is the future
[07:07] <troy_s> darktower:  do your homework
[07:07] <spartas> joetheodd, not trying to be politically correct; there is a difference (CDT is UTC-5, CST is UTC-6)
[07:07] <Efnian> vinboy, all amd's are 64-bit nowadays.
[07:07] <troy_s> darktower:  that's all i will say.
[07:07] <intelikey> hmmmm i may hook two mother boards togather via the ide cable.....
[07:07] <grv> lol
[07:07] <JoseStefan> intelikey, no
[07:07] <maruchan> man i have a question that still cant get answered i'm trying to get my system back up, i uninstalled xorg, and now the x is broken, and when i try to install xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:07] <intelikey> JoseStefan yeah
[07:07] <bkh> I fried a scsi cable that way once...
[07:07] <DarkTower> troy_s: lol sorry. if you actual knew something you'd give a reason. Its like if i yelled out the sky is red, do your research thats why. You would have an example
[07:07] <jet87> i hear enough about time zones living in indiana, they're a touchy subject for me
[07:08] <maruchan> but i cant cuase it says it wants to change  diffrent file and its not allowed
[07:08] <jbroome> purple is better than brown
[07:08] <Efnian> I keep a safe distance to all time zones.
[07:08] <grndslm> jet87, i don't have a core duo, but intel is extremely open and smp support has worked with linux forever....apparently linux runs quicker than os x on the macbooks
[07:08] <crimsun> jbroome: omg ponies.
[07:08] <paradizelos1> CST is -6 hours, so 12 midnight is 0600 UTC
[07:08] <bkh> It was the coolest cable fry... the one of the fifty wires fried, right in the center, cutting the cable in half lengthwise...
[07:08] <troy_s> darktower:  theo and all have more than talked enough about intel...
[07:09] <axion`> ive heard xp runs games better than osx on certain macs
[07:09] <JoseStefan> Edgy should default to hot pink colors
[07:09] <maruchan> any help on my problem
[07:09] <nbx909> JoseStefan, lol
[07:09] <jbroome> crimsun: ponies made from puppies
[07:09] <bkh> It was a misguided attempt at making a scsi drive visible by two different computers at the same time back in college...
[07:09] <jet87> the core duos support VT, and googling around vmware can run as a hypervisor (like xen).  i would flat out install ubuntu if i didn't have to worry about dell hell and not fubaring the rest of the special partitions
[07:09] <nbx909> JoseStefan, anything but this stupid brown-orange color
[07:09] <Saj> vinboy: you see the the chip actualy works 32bit, every single part of it, but every bufer has 32 bits extra and if there is something above 32 bits that particuler buffer thingi switches to 64bit....so its basicly two things in one..the amd core is clocked slower, this is better because it makes less heat and thus is more overclockable, the other advantage is the memory controller which is on the chip, this optimises the ram and thus makes the system mroe e
[07:09] <Saj> fficient and faster.
[07:09] <DarkTower> troy_s: ok do your homework
[07:10] <nbx909> i have to install bluecurve every time
[07:10] <nbx909> lol
[07:10] <varsendaggr> hey when will dapper be officially relaesed
[07:10] <axion`> orange brown is the ubuntu colors tho
[07:10] <intelikey> bkh heh
[07:10] <nbx909> varsendaggr, we don't know
[07:10] <varsendaggr> now now now
[07:10] <rendo> varsendahhr soon!
[07:10] <grv> lol
[07:10] <varsendaggr> i heard tomarrow
[07:10] <rendo> Ef off keyboard.
[07:10] <varsendaggr> it looks cool
[07:10] <axion`> less that 24hrs, a little bird told me
[07:10] <bkh> Real Soon Now(tm)
[07:10] <axion`> than*
[07:10] <grv> rumor is that the daily builds arent going to differ from the official:/
[07:10] <jbroome> varsendaggr: it's tomorrow now
[07:10] <nbx909> varsendaggr, but you can download what we think is the final verson http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185570
[07:10] <axion`> grv, how far back?
[07:10] <axion`> just todays?
[07:10] <JoseStefan> less than 16:50:00
[07:11] <grv> i guess
[07:11] <axion`> well, im not good enough yet to tell whether or not, so no use trying
[07:11] <Saj> eta = 7hrs aprox then:D
[07:11] <vinboy> thanks Saj
[07:11] <grv> hey anyone use WUSB54G on ubuntu?
[07:11] <Saj> vinboy: pleasure
[07:11] <reXin> anybody know if dapper will have an option for an EFI supported boot loader instead of grub?
[07:12] <jtd> !automatix
[07:12] <ubotu> hmm... automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, such as !easyubuntu.
[07:12] <rendo> Oh well, I'll head to bed and hopefully she's "officially" out in the morning for the awesome installage and the orgasmic bliss of DD.
[07:12] <paradizelos1> reXin: if it doesn't have it now, it won't be in the final release
[07:12] <paradizelos1> possibly an update
[07:12] <rendo> Interesting.
[07:12] <Hentai_Jeff> why am I tempted to send ubuntu disks to everyone I know an address for? :D
[07:12] <rendo> Subliminal messages with the name Dapper Drake.
[07:12] <nbx909> lol
[07:12] <Hentai_Jeff> and yes new dapper CDs of coarse
[07:12] <rendo> You want a handful of awesome OS.  Get DD, they're just like big titties!
[07:13] <troy_s> grv:  what's your question specifically?
[07:13] <jet87> lol
[07:13] <jbroome> whoah, we're all anxiously awaiting our double D's
[07:13] <rendo> Haha.
[07:13] <reXin> last i tried was flight 5... got my fingers crossed though
[07:13] <grv> no just wondering, did u get it working easily?
[07:13] <Saj> me gots a suspicion the dapper is ready, being uploaded as we speak:D........may be the deadline is a co ordination thing? ie make all the mirors, update all the sites, everything on same time?
[07:13] <axion`> i pine for DD's
[07:13] <grv> havent tried it yet
[07:13] <JoseStefan> i started with dapper Flight5
[07:13] <troy_s> grv:  multiple release versions i think with different chips... let me find a link.
[07:13] <Shotgun> hey, I need to find out how much ram there is on a machine running ubuntu, i have sshed to it using putty, so it will have to be through cmdlines, thx in advance
[07:13] <rendo> Well, until I get the official DD, I'll go molest my wife's DD wihle she sleeps. :P
[07:13] <grv> ya i got links and stuff troy_s
[07:13] <jbroome> i'm going to bed to dream of DD's.  night all
[07:13] <axion`> well from a collaborative standpoint, everything had to have been compiled when the 24 deadline came up
[07:13] <nbx909> Shotgun, free -m will tell you how much
[07:14] <reXin> dito. later
[07:14] <nbx909> Shotgun, that's in mb
[07:14] <maruchan> man i have a question that still cant get answered i'm trying to get my system back up, i uninstalled xorg, and now the x is broken, and when i try to install xorg-driver-fglrx, any help?
[07:14] <troy_s> grv:  i think it ultimately depends on what chip is driving it.
[07:14] <wims> do you think ndiswrapper will work after a dist upgrade?
[07:14] <troy_s> grv:  and if the idiots would just open there specs, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
[07:14] <paradizelos1> maruchan: i'm sorry to sound like an ass, but xorg IS the X system
[07:14] <rendo> Maybe I shouldn't have mentoned the correlation with Dapper Drake and Double D. :P
[07:14] <grv> lol
[07:14] <wims> i'm guessing..... no
[07:14] <orbin> maruchan: how did you uninstall xorg?
[07:14] <jet87> my "little" BB install got seriously fubared by xen after an update
[07:14] <rendo> All you uber nerds with no girlfriends will probably go and download porn now. :/
[07:15] <Shotgun> thx
[07:15] <troy_s> maruchan:  you will need some form of Xwindows to run a gui
[07:15] <axion`> my gf is sitting behind me for the record
[07:15] <maruchan> i know
[07:15] <Unenvarjo> good morning
[07:15] <Hentai_Jeff> rendo:what about us uber geeks with a wife and kids?
[07:15] <troy_s> maruchan:  which means removing xorg was not so good
[07:15] <ray__> hello all, will someone please help me with twinview? i've tried seemingly all howtos, tutorials, etc. with no success
[07:15] <rendo> Same boat as me Jeff?
[07:15] <maruchan>  but but when i try to reinstall xorg again, i get errors
[07:15] <troy_s> maruchan:  but not the end of the world.
[07:15] <wims> who needs a gf when you got a hand :D
[07:15] <rendo> Go molest the wife while she sleeps :P
[07:15] <maruchan> something about replacing a file, and not being allowed
[07:15] <rendo> It's always a surprise what she says.
[07:15] <troy_s> ray:  issue?
[07:15] <grv> did u do it as root?
[07:15] <grv> ~___~
[07:15] <Hentai_Jeff> got 2 boys
[07:15] <troy_s> maruchan:  boot to recovery mode, and try from there.
[07:16] <jayb> hey guys... anyone here got ununtu-server running on IBM XSeries hardware ?
[07:16] <Hentai_Jeff> one's nearly 4 months
[07:16] <maruchan> did that already too no go
[07:16] <rendo> Oldest is how old?
[07:16] <spartas> who needs a hand, i'm sure not volunteering mine
[07:16] <rendo> I have 2 boys too.
[07:16] <ray__> troy_s, yes, i cannot get the TV to display anything
[07:16] <Hentai_Jeff> the other's nearly 4 years
[07:16] <rendo> 15 months and 3 months.
[07:16] <Hentai_Jeff> he's a stepson though
[07:16] <rendo> Ah.
[07:16] <troy_s> maruchan:  well you will need to give us a little more information.. .like exact errors etc using pastebin.
[07:16] <axion`> is it possible to liveboot and copy the live xorg to your install?
[07:16] <Viaken> jay,dr18
[07:16] <rendo> They're fun.   He plays the PS2 and knows how to turn on the PC and the monitor.
[07:17] <Saj> maruchan: of your looking to salvage files? then get a livecd which has ability to access the HDDs, as per my very limited linux knowledge i only know of PClinuxOS (my first full linux conversion...bin abt 3 days lol), but there are more such live CDs. once your booted salvage what you can;), in windows there is a emergency recovery disk, basicly has all the essentials and if something brakes, you boot via the erd and it patches he broken bits....there must
[07:17] <Saj> be something like this on linux? if not i think if you know what ned to be mended then grab a live cd which has a: can access to the drives and b: able to access internet and fix the files manualy;)
[07:17] <troy_s> maruchan: what is the command that you did that fubard your x?
[07:17] <jayb> Viaken - what do you mean ?? what is dr18 ?
[07:17] <rendo> WEll he doesn't play the PS2, he button mashes. :P
[07:17] <K|NgGh0sT> what does ubuntu make the rootpass to be?
[07:17] <maruchan> fubard?
[07:17] <Hentai_Jeff> but I'm about to start my oldest on linux :D
[07:18] <Flannel> !tell K|NgGh0sT about root
[07:18] <grv> button mashing is a skill
[07:18] <rendo> Awesome. :)
[07:18] <troy_s> maruchan:  dun broken it.
[07:18] <intelikey> free needs work.....
[07:18] <DShepherd> where is dapper :-(?
[07:18] <rendo> My wife REFUSES to even try Ubuntu.
[07:18] <intelikey> echo "`free -m | grep -e '-/+' | cut -b31- | tr -d ' '`m free"
[07:18] <maruchan> i did this on synamptic i uninstalled xorg, then it when broke
[07:18] <troy_s> !root
[07:18] <Hentai_Jeff> it's how he's gonna learn to read sort of
[07:18] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:18] <maruchan> i reboted and got this error
[07:18] <rendo> She's one of those "It ain't broke, don't fix it.  I know it, it works" kinda people.
[07:18] <Viaken> jayb, sorry. lol Wasn't paying attention and was cleaning my keys.
[07:18] <Flannel> rendo: install kubuntu, and install the windowsXP theme, she'll never know the difference.
[07:18] <Hentai_Jeff> lol
[07:18] <axion`> (F*ed Up Beyond Recognition)eD
[07:18] <troy_s> maruchan:  yes, then you boot to recovery and did a 'sudo apt-get install xorg' or something akin to that?
[07:18] <Hentai_Jeff> I gotta wonder if edubuntu would be right for my sons
[07:18] <jayb> HAHA ... ok.. great .:P
[07:19] <rob138> what command show's what process is using my sound?
[07:19] <grv> lol flannel
[07:19] <rendo> Hentai_Jeff going to have him use Windows at all?
[07:19] <Shotgun> a program i made has a memory leak, with not dealocating a hash table, as a result a large section of my memory is taken up by it, anyway to get it back, other then a reset?
[07:19] <troy_s> rendo:  it is broke.
[07:19] <Hentai_Jeff> later on
[07:19] <maruchan> umm i havent trie dthat troy, let me give that try as well
[07:19] <Soir> I'm intentionally giving Ubuntu to a non-computer-literate so they don't learn any other way
[07:19] <jayb> so guys.. Im getting some IBM xSeries servers in the next week.. and I want to use Ubuntu on them... but im concerned that Ill have to go redhat simply for driver support
[07:19] <Hentai_Jeff> he's gotta know some about it
[07:19] <intelikey> hehhe i had this system up and running an half setup befor i added a user account....
[07:19] <troy_s> maruchan:  it is easy enough to fix
[07:19] <rendo> troy_s: She's a woman, what else do you expect? :P
[07:19] <jayb> has anyone used ubuntu on this ahrdware ?
[07:19] <LeoStewart> isn't Dapper Drake going to be released in a few hours?
[07:19] <troy_s> maruchan:  which is why learning your way around a cli is important.
[07:19] <JoseStefan> install IE7 that should break things
[07:19] <Soir> if they want to learn windows after they know ubuntu, they're welcome to think about it
[07:19] <grv> nah your kid will become a windows fanboy, GAMES
[07:19] <axion`> Soir - he will be The One
[07:19] <troy_s> rendo:  just explain what using ms and apple does to the future for your kids.
[07:20] <axion`> yeah rendo, give them the M$ propaganda speech
[07:20] <maruchan> lol i learned more fixing x, these past day, then using ubuntu this past year
[07:20] <rendo> Haha.
[07:20] <Hentai_Jeff> call it an experement to see if someone who started with linux going over to windows has the same hurdles
[07:20] <ubuntubes> hi
[07:20] <grv> im running on m$ right now:O
[07:20] <LeoStewart> does anyone know when Dapper Drake will be released?
[07:20] <rendo> "They'll take our first born and turn him into a slave and harvest his organs for their programmers who REALLY need it"
[07:20] <OmniD> Well if I have the hardware support this version that I didn't before I'll be supporting Ubuntu a lot more than Apple.
[07:20] <troy_s> leo:  give it a day or so.
[07:20] <sime> LeoStewart: In 24hrs my guess
[07:20] <nbx909> LeoStewart, it is out unoffically
[07:20] <JoseStefan> LeoStewart: less than 17h
[07:20] <OmniD> I mean OSX
[07:20] <LeoStewart> troy_s alright, thanks.
[07:20] <spartas> grv, that's nothing, i'm running on os x now
[07:20] <Soir> axion`: I have had concern that she's spontaneously going to develop Lain-like tendencies and I'll come back after university one year to a house filled with cabling and pieces of hardware, yes. I'll watch for it. :)
[07:21] <Hentai_Jeff> same here while my ubuntu machine is down
[07:21] <mikedep333> #nvidia
[07:21] <grv> sOOOooo
[07:21] <LeoStewart> heh, alright, thanks.
[07:21] <mikedep333> !nvidia
[07:21] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:21] <troy_s> omnid:  that isn't the open source peoples fault.  vote with your money.
[07:21] <LeoStewart> good night.
[07:21] <Noah0504> JoseStefan: No you're talking!
[07:21] <Saj> ive tried linux many times, i keep switching for games:D (also cuz i doent know jack all abt linux, not even how file system wrks...untill recently lol)
[07:21] <Saj> other things are macromedia suite
[07:21] <nbx909> LeoStewart, http://digg.com/linux_unix/DAPPER_IS_OUT_
[07:21] <Saj> :D
[07:21] <Saj> and photoshop
[07:21] <JoseStefan> Noah0504: ??
[07:21] <nomin> anyone in here play games on linux or interested in emulating a keystrokes with a joystick/gamepad?
[07:21] <ubuntubes> is ubuntu 5.10 support hp proliant ML350 G2 ?
[07:21] <La_PaRCa> Wow. That was weird. Apparently my /home partition just went to read-only for no apparent reason. Anyone?
[07:21] <ray__> troy_s, are you still around?
[07:21] <jsestri2> Saj: fight the power, use linux as much as possible
[07:21] <troy_s> ubuntubes:  check the wiki...
[07:21] <troy_s> ray: go
[07:21] <Hentai_Jeff> ubuntubes:just give it a try
[07:22] <Hentai_Jeff> no harm in using a live CD
[07:22] <rendo> Saj: Dual-boot, just for games.
[07:22] <ray__> i apologize, i hit a wrong key combination and i don't know what happened. i had to restart
[07:22] <troy_s> jsestri2:  fight both powers ms and apple.  amen.
[07:22] <GianLuigiBuffon> viaken I guess that i'm doing ok
 ive tried linux many times, <<< i think 'tried' means  saw it some place.....   :)
[07:22] <troy_s> ray:  its ok.
[07:22] <Hentai_Jeff> seperate machines for me
[07:22] <rob138> what command show's what process is using my sound?
[07:22] <ray__> what does ctrl+alt+f1 do?
[07:22] <jsestri2> troy_s: at least apple is bsd based :-D
[07:22] <Saj> nomin: yeh me, tried CS already with some problem on wine...wanna get falcon 4:AF and LOMAC on here though...and working with me joystick:D
[07:22] <rendo> I tried linux like 5 times before I stuck with it.
[07:22] <GianLuigiBuffon> because is now doing several stuff on the konsole
[07:22] <La_PaRCa> Can anyone check launchpad for this bug? I cannot open firefox and I dont want to reboot so I can diagnose it.
[07:22] <Hentai_Jeff> though I'm on the ubuntu most of the time
[07:22] <troy_s> ray:  shifts to a virtual terminal
[07:22] <Viaken> I can't access www.ubuntu.com/download Has it gone live?
[07:22] <JoseStefan> ray__: switches to tty 1 (first console)
[07:22] <grv> nope
[07:22] <ray__> how do i escape from that in the future
[07:22] <grv> i can access it
[07:22] <ubuntubes> Hentai_Jeff I'm afraid it spoil my school server because that server have RAID
[07:22] <jayb> nope
[07:22] <axion`> Dapper should be a very easy version to "stick to" imo
[07:22] <grv> still says 5.10
[07:22] <Viaken> GianLuigiBuffon: That would be installing the files it just downloaded. Good luck, and enjoy the new shinies.
[07:22] <nomin> Saj, have you ever used qjoypad?
[07:22] <troy_s> ray:  to get back to graphics, flip to f7
[07:23] <phiqtion> how do i install a source program?
[07:23] <Viaken> Nevermind. False alarm. :P
[07:23] <phiqtion> from a .tar.gz file
[07:23] <Saj> rendo: thnx, tried that before...windows kept recking linux... lol
[07:23] <Viaken> Just my crappy connection I guess. lol
[07:23] <ubuntubes> troy_s : how to check wiki?
[07:23] <ray__> ctrl+alt+f7?
[07:23] <bimberi> La_PaRCa: that's a sign that it got errors - probably mounted with the errors=remount-ro option - backed up?
[07:23] <Saj> rendo: now i got 2hdds:D he he he
[07:23] <troy_s> ray:  you can flip from consoles to gui (on f7)
[07:23] <Hentai_Jeff> wait a bit and try the live CD thing ubuntubes
[07:23] <troy_s> !wiki
[07:23] <JoseStefan> ray__: you have cnsoles on F1 thru F6, and X on F7,    ctrl+alt+f7
[07:23] <jet87> i installed a few different distros, but ubuntu was the first one i was able to stick with for a while.  i don't remember why i had to go back to windows though
[07:23] <rendo> Saj: Install Windows first, then Linux.  I'm sure there's a way to edit the boot tables but I don't know that fancy crap.
[07:23] <troy_s> http:wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:23] <intelikey> ray__ yeah tty7 is the default location for X
[07:23] <Saj> nomin: whats that ?
[07:23] <bimberi> ubotu tell phiqtion about compiling
[07:23] <La_PaRCa> bimberi, um, the thing is, it mounted correctly. It was working until a minute ago.
[07:23] <ray__> ah, now i know
[07:23] <GianLuigiBuffon> viaken... yeah, after running your command, the updates appeared...and appeared a error wich told me to click "all upgrades" on synaptics... and thats what I done.
[07:23] <Hentai_Jeff> personaly I can't wait for Cedega to get better
[07:24] <rendo> Me too.
[07:24] <ray__> back to twinview problem
[07:24] <GianLuigiBuffon> I guess that after all i'll reboot and I'll have dapper
[07:24] <Saj> rendo: hmmm, yeh but you forget you have to keep installing windows every week or so lol
[07:24] <bimberi> La_PaRCa: as i said ...
[07:24] <ubuntubes> Hentai_Jeff : is live cd dont do damage on the systems?
[07:24] <troy_s> wiki [string]  says ubotu
[07:24] <rendo> Soon as I get my new PC, I'm getting cedega.
[07:24] <rob138> anybody, what command show's what process is using my sound?
[07:24] <grv> i dont think cedega will ever become as good as native dx though:/
[07:24] <La_PaRCa> bimberi, ok, how can I know what caused the errors?
[07:24] <ray__> mind if i post contents of xorg.conf to pastebin really quick?
[07:24] <Hentai_Jeff> yes ubuntubes
[07:24] <nomin> Saj, it emulates keystrokes and the mouse on linux:  http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/
[07:24] <rendo> Saj: Only if you screw it up all the time.
[07:24] <Viaken> GianLuigiBuffon: That's the idea.
[07:24] <troy_s> ray:  google virtual terminals in linux... should be good learning.
[07:24] <Hentai_Jeff> grv:that goes without saying
[07:24] <nomin> Saj, it's a great program, but it doesn't run on ubuntu yet
[07:24] <bimberi> La_PaRCa: i'm not sure - poke around dmesg and in /var/log
[07:24] <troy_s> ray: are you having issues with x?
[07:24] <JoseStefan> 80% Complete :P
[07:24] <ubuntubes> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'Dapper Drake' will be released in less than 24 hours, but not at 0:00 UTC! <-- is this true?
[07:24] <Hentai_Jeff> the developers are about to have the vista hurdle
[07:24] <intelikey> ray__ alt+left-arrow  is a surefire way to find a running X from the console.... it switches one tty left each press.
[07:24] <troy_s> ray:  the kind of 'golden rule' is to set your driver to vesa
[07:24] <Flannel> ubuntubes: yes.
[07:24] <GianLuigiBuffon> thks a lot viaken. I hope to leave the noob stat and could help new users :)
[07:24] <Viaken> Virtual terminals are WONDERFUL.
[07:25] <grv> it will be a LONG time before there are some hardcore games on linux
[07:25] <troy_s> ray:  and start from there
[07:25] <Saj> rendo: i got it sorted now:D 2 hdds is theway. to boot linux or windows i simply switch the hdd for it to look in first...and keep it single boot:) woks like a charm;)
[07:25] <Viaken> GianLuigiBuffon: Just be willing to give it a go and you'll get there.
[07:25] <JoseStefan> ubuntubes: less than 17h now
[07:25] <ray__> i cannot get TV to display
[07:25] <Viaken> grv: You mean like Enemy Territory? UT2k4?
[07:25] <troy_s> ray:  oh yes... the twinview...
[07:25] <rendo> Saj: That's so complicated and un-lazy, what's wrong with you!
[07:25] <troy_s> wiki twinview
[07:25] <Viaken> NWN?
[07:25] <paradon> grv: Quake 3?
[07:25] <ray__> i've got the monitor working obviously
[07:25] <ubuntubes> YAHHHHOOooooooo....
[07:25] <troy_s> did you check the wiki?
[07:25] <Merturk_NB|hw> i'm having a problem getting a barcode scanner to work properly
[07:25] <La_PaRCa> bimberi, care to help me figure it out? I got the error on dmesg but I have no idea what it means.
[07:25] <grv> those are a FEW titles
[07:25] <Viaken> Doom 3?
[07:25] <ray__> troy_s, yes
[07:25] <GianLuigiBuffon> yeah, after i'll go nback to updates and install all that the system request me
[07:25] <Viaken> Quake 4, too, I think.
[07:25] <JoseStefan> grv, id Software's entire product line is available for linux
[07:25] <ubuntubes> I'm going to wait for this....
[07:26] <nomin> Saj, do you think you would ever use qjoypad if you could?
[07:26] <Saj> rendo: doent know:D i got the linux virus:D no more lazy:D:D:D
[07:26] <ray__> i've read plenty of howtos, tutorials, you name it
[07:26] <grv> ok, thats only several games:/
[07:26] <paradizelos1> so will there be an automatic upgrade from breezy?
[07:26] <grv> you know what im talking about
[07:26] <lwarimav> I have a problem with firefox. After installing some extensions, I couldn't restart firefox. What should I do?????
[07:26] <troy_s> ray:  hrm... iirc isn't twinview in juxtaposition to dual headed mode?  its an nvidia thing no?
[07:26] <Saj> nomin: let me get more info on it...see what it allows etc.
[07:26] <Unenvarjo>  Unreal Tournament works, if I recall correctly
[07:26] <troy_s> ray:  did you check into more pure dual head modes?
[07:26] <rendo> lwarimav: run it in the terminal and see where the errors come up.
[07:26] <axion`> does CS:Source work?
[07:26] <grv> on cedega
[07:26] <Viaken> Unenvarjo: I run Unreal Tourney 2004 on mine.
[07:26] <troy_s> ray:  pastebin your conf
[07:26] <kbrosnan> lwarimav, what version of firefox
[07:26] <Viaken> axion`: I don't think so, yet.
[07:26] <intelikey> lwarimav did you test if the issue is local or system wide ?
[07:26] <glick> dapper not released yet :/
[07:26] <Hentai_Jeff> America's army has a linux version
[07:26] <grv> im not sure what the frames are though
[07:26] <bimberi> La_PaRCa: put it on the pastebin, but don't just ask me.  It's not an area of expertise for me (touches wood)
[07:26] <Saj> nomin: hell yes:D
[07:26] <Viaken> Cedega/wine's working on it.
[07:27] <Hentai_Jeff> though they're canceling it
[07:27] <lwarimav> <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:27] <grv> i play cs:s competitively, so i pretty much stick with windows
[07:27] <La_PaRCa> bimberi, gonna try and remount it somehow and will come back
[07:27] <Unenvarjo> viaken, I've got 2003 on mine, the 2004 was too expensive for my student budget back then :D
[07:27] <Viaken> Hentai_Jeff: They are? I was wondering why the latest version didn't get released on Linux. :(
[07:27] <Noah0504> Is there a reason the stream I'm listening to stops after everysong?  I have to restart Rhythmbox and start it again for it to play.
[07:27] <kbrosnan> lwarimav, try firefox's safe mode
[07:27] <lwarimav> intelikey: version 1.5
[07:27] <DShepherd> its finally June 1st here
[07:27] <rob138> what command show's what process is using my sound?
[07:27] <nomin> Saj, the reasons I'm interested are:  1) I would like to see qjoypad made for ubuntu and 2) there are minor things that need to be fixed on it.  I emailed the developer and he says he has no time to develop it and needs help.
[07:27] <intelikey> lwarimav did you test if the issue is local or system wide ?
[07:27] <ray__> troy_s, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14943
[07:27] <axion`> i think it's funny the servers run linux but they wont make the game to support it...
[07:27] <kbrosnan> lwarimav, Firefox's safe mode is a good way to find out if an extension/theme or user set preferences are causing your problem. See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_mode
[07:27] <ubuntubes> if ubuntu 6.06 out.. then server will going slow.. alot of people will download this latest ubuntu.. haha
[07:27] <Hentai_Jeff> yep Viaken but start sending in protests
[07:27] <troy_s> noah: that shouldn't happen.  have you tried it with other streams?
[07:27] <Hentai_Jeff> they'll probubaly listen
[07:27] <intelikey> lwarimav i'm the one that sujested you add a user "something"
[07:27] <sklav> hi guys im having an issue
[07:28] <axion`> im hopping on the torrent when it goes live =)
[07:28] <Hentai_Jeff> the main guy wanted to keep it going
[07:28] <sklav> my networking is all screwed up after a dist-upgrade
[07:28] <troy_s> ray:  are you getting any errors in your xlog or ???
[07:28] <sklav> eth0 and eth1 have been replaced by eth2 and eth3
[07:28] <Noah0504> troy_s: Yes.
[07:28] <Linuturk> got a link to the offical torrent?
[07:28] <JoseStefan> does anyone like the ed2k network?
[07:28] <rob138> whats the diff between the release canidate and what's coming out in hours?
[07:28] <Xaero_Vincent> yep 3 million people use Ubuntu... the servers will be packed
[07:28] <nomin> Saj, I can use it on mandriva2005 and it works great except for a few small things.  I also use it to control multimedia that I watch on my tv.  I have an usb extension for my controller so I can control the mouse and browser.
[07:28] <Saj> nomin: does it work with home made bottuns and switches which would be plugged into game port?
[07:28] <lwarimav> intelikey : my firefox is in Ubuntu
[07:28] <myleftfoot> if everyone jumps on the torrent when it goes live it should make for sweet download speeds
[07:28] <sklav> and for the life of me i cannot find where ubuntu is getting this info
[07:28] <rendo> Only 3 million?
[07:28] <rendo> Or is that a lot?
[07:28] <ray__> troy_s, xlog?
[07:28] <JoseStefan> rob138: Release Candidate is 1 week old :o
[07:28] <troy_s> noah:  strange weird.  can't say that it would be rhythm's fault because i am pretty sure there are a 1000 folks running it fine.
[07:28] <Hentai_Jeff> rendo:for a linux distro it's alot
[07:28] <ray__> i'm obviously new to this
[07:29] <grv> lol
[07:29] <troy_s> ray:  in your var/log, look to your x*.log files.
[07:29] <Hentai_Jeff> compaired to windows it's chicken feed
[07:29] <rob138> JoseStefan, not a terrible difference then
[07:29] <rob138> what command show's what process is using my sound?
[07:29] <intelikey> lwarimav are you not in ubuntu ?
[07:29] <nomin> Saj, it works as long as linux recongnizes it.
[07:29] <ubuntubes> does anybody know how to set the initial bootup into shell prompt?
[07:29] <sklav> how dow one call a module with an alias
[07:29] <Noah0504> troy_s: Hmm, I'll keep messing with it.
[07:29] <lwarimav> intelikey: yes I am
[07:29] <K|NgGh0sT> what is the best .rar handler?
[07:29] <troy_s> ray:  that's totally fine.  learning is the key to helping out others.
[07:29] <Saj> rendo: i got it.:D he he he. ill figure out how to get a external switch to change settings in the bios. ie hae a 2 way switch (button) which chooses the drive order..:D:D:D what you think?
[07:29] <sklav> eth0 is not found but its found under the name eth3
[07:29] <nomin> Saj, I don't know too many of the technical aspects of it, but it says on the website that it is based on linux's ability to recognize a joystick.
[07:29] <rendo> I'll do my part in the next few years, I plan to startup a computer shop in my area and I plan to expand to the entire northern region of the province, will offer PC's either barebone or with Ubuntu. ;)  No windows. :b
[07:30] <JoseStefan> ubuntube: you might need to mess with your init scripts, the wiki may have something on that
[07:30] <Viaken> axion`: Meanwhile your other hand is rewriting the kernel and writing shell scripts that feed your cat?
[07:30] <rendo> Saj: Master and Slave. :b
[07:30] <troy_s> kingghost:  if you add the rar support, the default archiver should handle rar.
[07:30] <rpaul> sklav: have you rebooted since the dist upgrade?
[07:30] <axion`> pfft hell no
[07:30] <sklav> yes rpaul
[07:30] <sklav> many times
[07:30] <intelikey> lwarimav i'm sorry. i fail to see the relevance of "<lwarimav> intelikey : my firefox is in Ubuntu"  <--- i don't do windows....
[07:30] <axion`> hehe
[07:30] <sklav> no change
[07:30] <ray__> what should i be looking for in the Xorg.0.log?
[07:30] <K|NgGh0sT> troy_s: apt-get install rar?
[07:30] <grv> jack up ur prices a few bucks and tell them they get a discount for coming preinstalled with ubuntu:P
[07:30] <troy_s> sklav:  are 0 and 1 still there?
[07:30] <Hentai_Jeff> rendo good luck actully running that store
[07:30] <troy_s> king:  apt-cache search rar
[07:30] <nomin> Saj, I would like to get more people interested in it so that it's made for more distros and so that the minor things can be fixed.  I think it's the only program necessary for using the joystick or gamepad on linux.
[07:30] <sklav> troy_s, no they are not
[07:30] <lwarimav> intelikey: I use Ubuntu
[07:30] <ubuntubes> JoseStefan : ok than i'm going to do something on it
[07:30] <Saj> rendo: already that order....:D windows is the slave ofcourse he eh eh
[07:31] <rendo> Saj: :P
[07:31] <JoseStefan> ray__: there is a way to "reset" your xorg config, if it makes you feel better
[07:31] <sklav> they are now seen as eth2 and eth3
[07:31] <bkh> Clint Eastwood pilots my Firefox.
[07:31] <Hentai_Jeff> though I'd get a laptop from you :D
[07:31] <intelikey> lwarimav yes.   and did you add a user and try to start ff as that user ?
[07:31] <Saj> nomin: i would help if i could but im a total noob my self:D atleast on linux lol
[07:31] <nbx909> Bob Dole powers mine
[07:31] <nbx909> lol
[07:31] <troy_s> sklav:  erm... and this was dist-upgrade?
[07:31] <ray__> josestefan, how's that? and what will that accomplish?
[07:31] <sklav> yes troy_s
[07:31] <bkh> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083943/
[07:31] <sklav> dist-upgrade
[07:31] <rendo> Hentai_Jeff: Thanks, I really have a huge dislike for Windows and there's no need paying $100 to make a machine for people.
[07:31] <rpaul> Is there anywork being done to make the upgrade done through ubuntu torrent based.  That would surely reduce the server load for those dist-upgrading
[07:31] <troy_s> sklav:  well i will say that it is fixable for certain.  sounds like a skript borked you a bit.
[07:31] <JoseStefan> ray__: in case "something" messed it up, it should be good as new again
[07:32] <grv> wow
[07:32] <sklav> any idea which 1?
[07:32] <grv> clint eastwood._____.
[07:32] <lwarimav> intelikey: I am connected to a server. And My profile is registered in the server...
[07:32] <axion`> rpaul, thats an awesome idea. to expand upon that... why doesn't Steam do that as well?
[07:32] <Hentai_Jeff> something I've been thinking about doing it making a net and local based uber PC shop
[07:32] <grv> 5.5/10, poor firefox
[07:32] <ray__> troy_s, what should i be looking for in the Xorg.0.log?
[07:32] <kbrosnan> lwarimav, before going through the add a user step there are a number of firefox trouble shooting steps, the first being to start firefox's safe mode
[07:32] <troy_s> sklav:  are they active etc?
[07:32] <ray__> josestefan, how do you reset it?
[07:32] <sklav> something todo with how the kernel loaded the module and associated alias
[07:32] <maruchan> thank you troy
[07:32] <rpaul> axion`: yeah, blizzard does it with there updated for WoW
[07:32] <maruchan>  i have it running again
[07:32] <sklav> yes im on the system now
[07:32] <troy_s> ray:  look for errors related to the nvidia end of things
[07:32] <ray__> i know about creating backups and such
[07:32] <nomin> Saj, well if you see more people that want to play games or have mouse and keyboard emulation with the joystick, just tell them about qjoypad.  Do you agree that it's a very useful program?
[07:32] <DarkTower> Hentai_Jeff: with ubuntu preinstalled :)
[07:32] <troy_s> maruchan:  yay
[07:33] <intelikey> lwarimav remote desktop ?
[07:33] <axion`> that's because blizzard is king of flawless execution
[07:33] <Hentai_Jeff> so ppl that want that kick ass looking and running PC but haven't the time to do it can still get it
[07:33] <sklav> what is the equivalent of modprobe.conf on ubuntu?
[07:33] <Viaken> You know...I was thinking. Couldn't someone make a package manager that used torrents instead of fetching the files normally? Or, at least, the larger files?
[07:33] <troy_s> maruchan:  now spread the ubuntu.
[07:33] <Hentai_Jeff> and ubuntu would be an option yes
[07:33] <JoseStefan> ray__: remember, to make a copy first. let me look for it
[07:33] <SurfnKid> has anyone installed the lm_sensors yet?
[07:33] <lwarimav> intelikey: I do not see any safe mode*
[07:33] <Joetheodd> How do I create a shared folder on my Linux box that I can put files in from another Linux box (Warty live CD)?
[07:33] <ubuntubes> is apt-get update process will changing my edited script?
[07:33] <rendo> Hentai_Jeff: Mine will start out most likely as a hardware/repair place and once I get the business, start making preset machines while still offering custom built and basic hardware options.
[07:33] <majd> can you create restore points in ubuntu?
[07:33] <troy_s> joetheodd:  use ssh
[07:33] <SurfnKid> I downloaded the i2c and lm_sensors from the site but when i unzip them, whats next?
[07:33] <intelikey> lwarimav i didn't say safe mode
[07:33] <RopeHead> rob138, fuser -v /dev/dsp
[07:33] <JoseStefan> ray__: try this --> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:33] <rpaul> Viaken: it just makes sense aye.  doesn't seem to be done any any distros i can think of
[07:33] <intelikey> lwarimav that was someone else
[07:33] <troy_s> joetheodd:  everything else is ugly insecure.
[07:33] <axion`> yeah it's about time the torrent technology get's widely adopted
[07:34] <troy_s> !ssh
[07:34] <DarkTower> Hentai_Jeff: its a good idea
[07:34] <Hentai_Jeff> I'd give it 2 years of me being an actual success before Dell buys me
[07:34] <ubotu> [ssh]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdvancedOpenSSH
[07:34] <nbx909> Joetheodd, http://krazypenguin.net/Ubuntu_Dapper_Drake_6.06_Guide#How_to_share_folders_the_easy_way
[07:34] <kbrosnan> lwarimav, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_mode
[07:34] <rob138> ropehead, thanks ill try that
[07:34] <lwarimav> intelikey: oups
[07:34] <Viaken> Have, in the repositories, .torrents for the larger files..and have some code in the package manager that says "if $downloaded_file.name ~= .torrent { btdownload $downloaded_file }; install(); }"?
[07:34] <Hentai_Jeff> or tries
[07:34] <rendo> Hentai_Jeff: Don't succumb. :P
[07:34] <[1] Troy> At my request, would all you guys mind NOT downloading DAPPER right away?  I dont want to wait for slow download... kk thx.
[07:34] <ampersand> why is Dapper not being released at 0:00 I have been waiting two days for this
[07:34] <axion`> torrent it, troy =)
[07:34] <bkh> ampersand: Just to mess with you
[07:34] <thug> hi all
[07:34] <[1] Troy> axion - from where???
[07:34] <Saj> nomin: are there any more like qpad?
[07:34] <Hentai_Jeff> hey I could make it where they can but only if they start offering ubuntu on their PCs
[07:34] <grv> they are waiting for 0:00 gmt -12
[07:34] <thug> its dapper available yet ?
[07:34] <ubuntubes> does anybody know that is apt-get update process will changing my edited script?
[07:35] <jtd> majd just asked a good question: can you create restore points in Ubuntu?  Or something like them?
[07:35] <nbx909> thug, not offically but we believe we've found it
[07:35] <Joetheodd> troy_s: It's all behind a hardware firewall - I'm just transfering over my LAN.
[07:35] <ray__> troy_s, please look at this
[07:35] <troy_s> wow how leet.
[07:35] <ray__> (--) PCI:*(2:0:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0185) rev 193, Mem @ 0xfd000000/24, 0xe8000000/27, BIOS @ 0xfeae0000/17
[07:35] <nbx909> thug, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185570
[07:35] <Viaken> [1] Troy: You don't have to worry about me. I'm not gonna attempt it on my dialup. :P
[07:35] <DarkTower> Hentai_Jeff: They almost did have it preinstalled on a laptop instead of XP
[07:35] <Noah0504> troy_s: I lied.  I just found a stream that doesn't do that.  But I still wonder why some of the others are.
[07:35] <troy_s> joe:  that's fine.  just make sure 22 is open.
[07:35] <[1] Troy> lol viaken
[07:35] <DarkTower> Hentai_Jeff: OOps that was HP
[07:35] <nomin> Saj, not that I know of.  I've looked and found nothing like it.  I think something like this should be a standard program that comes with every distro.
[07:35] <Hentai_Jeff> Dell thought about it
[07:35] <Viaken> jtd: You could probably just backup /etc/, or everything except /home/ and use that as a restore point.
[07:35] <thug> nbx909 what do you mean you belive you`ll find it ?
[07:35] <JoseStefan> in true fairness, they are waiting for all countries to pass to 1st of June (just a guess)
[07:35] <troy_s> laf...
[07:35] <rendo> DarkTower: I can't see them doing it though, they can't bloat Ubuntu as easily as they can XP with crap. :)
[07:35] <Hentai_Jeff> their servers use fedora core too
[07:36] <DShepherd> what are they waiting for?
[07:36] <[1] Troy> axion?? - you know torrent site for it?
[07:36] <Viaken> !dapper
[07:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'Dapper Drake' will be released in less than 24 hours, but not at 0:00 UTC! (NO, we cannot be more precise)
[07:36] <troy_s> uh ray:  you will need nvidia drivers
[07:36] <nbx909> thug, we believe we have found
[07:36] <nomin> Saj, I think qjoypad just needs to be promoted more.
[07:36] <nbx909> thug, it
[07:36] <nbx909> lol
[07:36] <troy_s> ray:  you aren't using them are you?
[07:36] <rendo> Wait.
[07:36] <troy_s> !nvidia
[07:36] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:36] <rendo> LTS is the final version of DApper?
[07:36] <Viaken> They'll be releasing whenever they ---- well please.
[07:36] <ampersand> screw the other countries I want it now!
[07:36] <sklav> anybody know where i can specify for example alias 8139too eth1
[07:36] <jtd> Viaken: that procedure sounds sketchy to me :)
[07:36] <rpaul> it's been the 1st here for 17 and a 1/2 hours.   why are we wating for the slow people :)
[07:36] <Hentai_Jeff> but M$ told Dell no
[07:36] <ray__> troy_s, yes i am
[07:36] <Viaken> ~lts
[07:36] <Viaken> !lts
[07:36] <ubotu> well, lts is Long Term Support. LTS versions will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[07:36] <Viaken> jtd: I'm all about sketchy. :D
[07:36] <JoseStefan> ray__: try this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:36] <troy_s> ray:  and gl is working all well and good?
[07:36] <thug> nbx909 well give me the link then :)
[07:36] <ray__> refer to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14943
[07:36] <troy_s> ray:  listen to jose for a few...
[07:36] <axion`> This is today's daily build torrent - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/dapper-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent NOT THE FINAL AFAIK
[07:36] <DarkTower> rendo: haha. but i think HP really will, they actual made a version of ubuntu with supprt for all parts of that laptop available on their website in case you wanted to get rid of XP. Bet m$ put the pinch on em at the last moment
[07:36] <jtd> heh.
[07:37] <nbx909> thug http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185570
[07:37] <[1] Troy> thx man.
[07:37] <rendo> DarkTower: *shakes fist* Those bastards.
[07:37] <Joetheodd> nbx909: thanks, looks mega-easy
[07:37] <Saj> nomin: true, i bet you can use it for remotely controling model aircraft:D via your linux box
[07:37] <ray__> geez... what's gl?
[07:37] <Hentai_Jeff> BTW is there anything different offered on the ubuntu server version then the text only install?
[07:37] <ubuntubes> does anybody know where to put the web folder ? i have installed apache
[07:37] <sklav> anybody?
[07:37] <axion`> Hentai_Jeff... u mean "other" than?
[07:37] <DarkTower> rendo: how amazing would it be for a major vendor like that to be preinstalling ubuntu
[07:37] <lwarimav> intelikey: my computer is connected to a network centralised to a server that registered all profile usine this computer... So my firefox doen't work.... Now my question is should i solve it localy on the PC, or I have to edit my profile on the server?????
[07:37] <sklav> where can i add alias 8139too eth0
[07:38] <rendo> DarkTower: It would be a dream come true to the community.
[07:38] <axion`> yes, the link i posted is the daily build liveCD
[07:38] <rpaul> axion`: the desktop live CD has a graphical installer
[07:38] <JoseStefan> ray
[07:38] <DarkTower> rendo: bill gates would cry lol
[07:38] <JoseStefan> ray__: did you get that?
[07:38] <troy_s> joetheodd:  it doesn't matter if it is secure or not.  learn ssh - it is an amazingly useful too.
[07:38] <nomin> Saj, there's probably quite a few uses people can get out of mouse and keyboard emulation.
[07:38] <troy_s> joetheodd: tool.
[07:38] <mikedep333> !runlevel
[07:38] <ubotu> mikedep333: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:38] <spikeb> be nice if HP contributed patches
[07:38] <mikedep333> !runlevels
[07:38] <ubotu> mikedep333: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:38] <rendo> DarkTower: And it would all be caught on tape, and it would be the most downloaded torrent in history. :P
[07:38] <DarkTower> hehehe
[07:38] <Unenvarjo> ubuntubes, after installing apache you should create public_html/ in your home directory for a web folder
[07:38] <blurtblurt> wow. Dapper still doesn't autoload kernel drivers for PCMCIA cards
[07:38] <thug> nbx909 thanks you ... its that the official release ?
[07:38] <CHodapp> Why does Ubuntu seem to be a massive target for hatred?
[07:38] <Hentai_Jeff> hmm I just remembered a cosplay skit from a few years back
[07:38] <ray__> yes, josestefan. i've run that earlier today actually when i installed this nvidia card
[07:38] <Hentai_Jeff> has anyone seen chobits?
[07:38] <Saj> dapper out yet?
[07:39] <ampersand> i am working on clearing out my computer to do a fresh install right now
[07:39] <spikeb> read the topic
[07:39] <Viaken> Not yet, Saj.
[07:39] <ray__> troy_s, what is gl?
[07:39] <axion`> CHodapp, because of its potential for greatness, and the normal troll hatred of things that are popular
[07:39] <Saj> viaken: :(
[07:39] <spikeb> gl = opengl, a graphics system
[07:39] <guest_> 69_@ yahoo.com
[07:39] <troy_s> ray:  opengl.  do you get the nvidia boot logo when it loads?
[07:39] <Zambini> Hey, someone wanna help me with vnc and an ubuntu>XP connection? pm me
[07:39] <eigenlambda> CHodapp: because it's more successful than others
[07:39] <ubuntubes> Unenvarjo : is that all so anybody can access to my web?
[07:39] <thug> nbx909 hope you didnt give me the beta release ;)
[07:39] <JoseStefan> ray__: alternativly, you could do it without the -phigh paramter, and it will ask you a lot of questions, i suggest using the "nv" driver instead of "nvidia" for the time being
[07:39] <ray__> troy_s, yes i did until i turned it off
[07:39] <CHodapp> It's certainly been getting a lot of publicity for being apparently a lot more easier than Windows to install and set up
[07:39] <eigenlambda> trolls like to go wherever the people are
[07:39] <Viaken> CHodapp: No matter what it is, you'll always find someone who hates it.
[07:39] <fiendskull9> doesnt dapper come out today? (tommorow, whatever you wanna say)
[07:39] <eigenlambda> of course
[07:40] <Hentai_Jeff> Chodapp:it has?
[07:40] <grv> !dapper
[07:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'Dapper Drake' will be released in less than 24 hours, but not at 0:00 UTC! (NO, we cannot be more precise)
[07:40] <eigenlambda> to remind them that cthulhu is coming
[07:40] <Unenvarjo> ubuntubes, yes. It shows as http://yourhost.yourdomain/~youraccount/ when using a browser
[07:40] <jtd> fiendskull9: should do, yes.
[07:40] <paradon> thug: nbx909 gave you the latest daily build, which some people here think will be identical to the same release.
[07:40] <fiendskull9> yayaya
[07:40] <fiendskull9> i cant wait
[07:40] <troy_s> ray:  ok well then you are def on the driver...
[07:40] <Hentai_Jeff> most ppl don't even see windows geting installed
[07:40] <CHodapp> Hentai_Jeff, relative to other distros, at least.
[07:40] <mikedep333> can anyone tell me how to check what runs on what runlevels in dapper?
[07:40] <majd> i've seen that message 15 times in the last 2 minutes lol
[07:40] <ray__> josestefan, i'm currently having no problems on my desktop, i just can't get svideo out to work on TV
[07:40] <CHodapp> Hentai_Jeff, nope, they don't.
[07:40] <jtd> I should have had a Dapper release party :)
[07:40] <troy_s> ray:  do a little hunting under dual head mode.  twinview is some driver mod by nvidia.
[07:40] <Hentai_Jeff> so they don't really know
[07:40] <fiendskull9> probably around 8-9 am CST?
[07:40] <lwarimav> kbrosnan:my computer is connected to a network centralised to a server that registered all profile usine this computer... So my firefox doen't work....  :P
[07:41] <Unenvarjo> ubuntubese, oh. The root apache directory is /var/www something
[07:41] <fiendskull9> rendo, ive considered installing slackware 2.3 without a gui on one of my enemys computers
[07:41] <grv> exactly
[07:41] <Saj> rendo: lol hahaha, what she using atm?
[07:41] <nomin> Saj: have you tried cedega yet?
[07:41] <rendo> saj: XP. :/
[07:41] <JoseStefan> ray__: maybe i missed something, it is pretty cluttered in here :o
[07:41] <CHodapp> fiendskull9, is this person a PC lover?
[07:41] <DarkTower> rendo: my gf loves it. hates windows now. AFter she saw how much more quickly devices like camera and ipod worked, out with windows
[07:41] <fiendskull9> CHodapp, no, one of those, IE and AIM on the desktop type of people
[07:41] <jtd> fiendskull9: doesn't Slack have a reasonably easy to use package manager that would let them install a gui pretty fast?
[07:41] <ubuntubes> Unenvarjo : oo so meaning that I have to paste it into www right?
[07:41] <ray__> troy_s, so do you know much about dual head mode?
[07:41] <rendo> DarkTower: Well she bugs me all the time about the stupidest things.
[07:42] <VR_> i wish wireless would work better.
[07:42] <intelikey> lwarimav looks like you are going to need some advanced help there.  myself being network illiterate, i'm not sure if you are talking about a remote desktop from a terminal server or just a lan config.  so i will have to defer you to more qualified help.    crimson maybe ?
[07:42] <fiendskull9> jtd, we are talking 2.3, like 1996 here :P
[07:42] <Saj> nomin: no, just been on wine for the last few days...is cedega easier to operate then wine, i mean is it reali as simple as rag and drop?
[07:42] <zcat[1] > http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso  -- is this it? :-)
[07:42] <jtd> fiendskull9: hahahahaha :D
[07:42] <ray__> josestefan, it's very cluttered in here!
[07:42] <DarkTower> rendo: lol shes your wife, thats her job
[07:42] <troy_s> ray:  done a couple times.  it should seem easy compared to twinview :)
[07:42] <Unenvarjo> ubuntubes: umm, no. The /var/www/ is visible by default. Just put content in there :)
[07:42] <CHodapp> fiendskull9, I have a floppy disk that makes a ramdisk and runs MacOS 6 or something on it in 512x384... all monochrome
[07:42] <rendo> DarkTower: Like "I downloaded this torrent for <TYCOON GAME HERE> and it's a .dmg file, how do I make it so it works on windows"
[07:42] <fiendskull9> jtd, but i beleive they even used slapt back then, but the repositories would be weird
[07:42] <Unenvarjo> it shows as http://yourhost.yourdomain/
[07:42] <kbrosnan> lwarimav, none of that should matter just "firefox -safe-mode" in a console window
[07:42] <Saj> rendo: install a theme that looks like xp lol hahaha confuse her;)
[07:42] <rendo> So I come here, and ask since I'm tired as shit and I don't know macs at all.
[07:42] <fiendskull9> CHodapp, lmao
[07:42] <DarkTower> rendo: heheh
[07:42] <jtd> fiendskull9: and by "weird" we mean "not there" :)
[07:42] <fiendskull9> Saj, they have those, they are pretty nice
[07:42] <rendo> Learn it's for macs and won't work on windows. :P
[07:42] <eigenlambda> you mean system 6
[07:42] <fiendskull9> jtd, lol
[07:42] <PPower> _nano_: Hello again! I have finally fixed it!!!
[07:42] <ray__> troy_s, any good places to learn how to accomplish dual head?
[07:42] <Viaken> I'd love to get my g/f running Linux of any type, but she's so attached to MSN's piddly lil features that the open source IM clients haven't caught up with (or avoid for good reason)...
[07:42] <rendo> So I beat her.
[07:42] <threat> is it released yet?
[07:42] <CHodapp> eigenlambda, yes, I probably do.
[07:42] <Unenvarjo> ubuntubes, and any directory under /var/www/ shows as http://yourhost.blahblah/mydir/
[07:42] <eigenlambda> it wasn't called "mac os" until 7.6
[07:43] <eigenlambda> hehe
[07:43] <JoseStefan> rendo: try daemon tools for windows
[07:43] <eigenlambda> jinxt
[07:43] <troy_s> ray:  start with the wiki, then the forums.  i am pretty sure you will hit success shortly.
[07:43] <jtd> yeah
[07:43] <ubuntubes> Unenvarjo : oo i got it... thanks
[07:43] <jtd> it was "System 7.5"
[07:43] <CHodapp> eigenlambda, uses VMac... pretty handy because it's light.
[07:43] <Unenvarjo> np
[07:43] <fiendskull9> Viaken, kopete has some nice little piddley features
[07:43] <rendo> JoseStefan: Doesn't work with .dmg files, unless there's a newer version that supports it.
[07:43] <lwarimav> intelikey: Its a lan config
[07:43] <_nano_> PPower: congrats! \o./
[07:43] <Hentai_Jeff> rendo:your wife prefers macs?
[07:43] <axion`> maybe PowerISO?
[07:43] <Unenvarjo> ubuntubes, check if I'm right though, I have a terrible memory and I almost never use the apache root directory
[07:43] <troy_s> ray:  off to beddy.  good luck.  and if you don't hit it, just come back.  this place has plenty of knowledgable folks
[07:43] <Viaken> fiendskull9: I'll look into it. :P
[07:43] <rendo> Hentai_Jeff: No, she downloaded a .dmg file and tried to get it to work on a PC machine.
[07:43] <jtd> especially 10.4
[07:43] <fiendskull9> My schools computers run OSX tiger, and i primarily use the terminal for everything
[07:44] <ray__> thanks for the help, troy_s
[07:44] <Hentai_Jeff> hmm
[07:44] <fiendskull9> dont need no fancy aqua gui :P
[07:44] <rendo> PowerISO converted it, but wouldn't emulate it.
[07:44] <CHodapp> My school computers are mostly Windows
[07:44] <_nano_> PPower: so how did you solve it? i'm really curious :D
[07:44] <nomin> Saj:  wine is a pain in the ass.  Cedega is much easier than wine.  Cedega is built on wine.  I tried the cedega demo and it works beautifully.  It even installs the updates.  It's awesome.  Only problem I found is that you can't play on punkbuster enabled servers because it doesn't like non-windows computers.
[07:44] <PPower> _nano_: There is still one issue to iron out though. Every time I reboot I have to run iwconfig eth1 ap any and then disable and then reenable the adapter to get any signal
[07:44] <jtd> Aqua *is* pretty, though
[07:44] <intelikey> lwarimav then ignore all other computers and work on the one firefox is on.    all my questions will be addressing that particular box.
[07:44] <Hentai_Jeff> the logic of that escapes me
[07:44] <PPower> _nano_: Wired it up and installed the fwcutter package, then run the ubuntu script
[07:44] <ubuntubes> Unenvarjo : hehe...
[07:44] <CHodapp> nomin, that's weird, Enemy Territory uses punkbuster and I'm on Linux
[07:44] <fiendskull9> jtd, yes very, the apple GD's hit a big note when osx came out. a BIG note
[07:44] <nomin> cedega is very easy to use
[07:44] <_nano_> PPower: aah nice..so now you are using the bcm43xx driver then
[07:44] <Hentai_Jeff> it's like that damn boot camp
[07:44] <intelikey> lwarimav do you have more than one user account on that box ?
[07:44] <CHodapp> The interface on OS X is nice but it's not anything particularly special to me
[07:44] <RancidLM> any rumors on what time 6.06 is being released?
[07:44] <grv> does cedega really not work on pb:(?
[07:44] <PPower> _nano_: yes, did you get that thing about the reboot though?
[07:45] <grv> !dapper
[07:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'Dapper Drake' will be released in less than 24 hours, but not at 0:00 UTC! (NO, we cannot be more precise)
[07:45] <_nano_> PPower: pm?
[07:45] <lwarimav> intelikey: yes
[07:45] <fiendskull9> jtd, it would be a godsend if they released all the gui source, and graphics for it. it would be very portable
[07:45] <ubuntubes> Does anybody know how to limit the bandwidth for individual workstation??
[07:45] <Saj> nomin: yeh it was called wine x before....how do you get the demo mate?
[07:45] <PPower> _nano_: ??? i dont get you
[07:45] <gambit> in dpkg-reconfigure locales how do i select en_us, it wont check the box
[07:45] <lwarimav> intelikey: I have more than 100 users
[07:45] <intelikey> lwarimav does firefox work for other users ?
[07:45] <nomin> Chodapp, maybe punkbuster allows linux now.  I tried it a few months ago, guess I'll have to try it again.  it was an issue in the cedega forums, cedega said they were'nt able to play on punkbuster at that time.
[07:45] <Hentai_Jeff> what is the point of booting winblows on a mac?
[07:45] <sklav> how can one grep inside a bunch of files for a particular word?
[07:45] <rendo> Games.
[07:45] <jtd> fiendskull9: I'm waiting for the day they reimplement Cocoa, Aqua, Carbon, and the rest of the OS on top of L4 instead of something Mach-y.  ::drool::
[07:45] <sklav> example /etc
[07:45] <nomin> Saj, it's on cedegas site.
[07:45] <fiendskull9> CHodapp, well, its just like using linux (unless your a PandC type of guy)
[07:45] <Unenvarjo> ubuntubes, a program called wondershaper can do that
[07:45] <lwarimav> intelikey: yes but exept me
[07:45] <eigenlambda> what't the point of getting a mac in thefirst place?
[07:45] <CHodapp> nomin, eh... it's been in ET for at least a year now, that's when I got it - could be longer, even
[07:45] <rendo> Haha.
[07:45] <Saj> btw guys of the community, gals of the community, dev team, eery one....ubuntu rox:D
[07:46] <grv> hentai_jeff, i know someone whos parents bought him a mac for college so he wouldnt game
[07:46] <CHodapp> fiendskull9, uh.... how?
[07:46] <fiendskull9> agreed
[07:46] <Saj> thnx for ubuntu
[07:46] <rendo> grv: LOL
[07:46] <sklav> anybody?
[07:46] <rendo> grv: That's awesome. :B
[07:46] <fiendskull9> CHodapp, darwin was written from unix source
[07:46] <Hentai_Jeff> ok there's the only good point I've seen for that
[07:46] <grv> but he kept his grades up and he eventually took his comp with him after the first semister
[07:46] <sklav> how can one grep inside a bunch of files for a particular word? example eth3 in /etc/*
[07:46] <intelikey> lwarimav ok then it is a local issue.  i.e. the probolem exists within your /home/<your_name>/ dir
[07:46] <grv> lol
[07:46] <ubuntubes> Unenvarjo : ok i give a try
[07:46] <eigenlambda> What's the deal with you mac fanatics? ...I don't see why anybody would choose a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
[07:46] <fiendskull9> CHodapp, i think 95% of OSX commands are unix commands
[07:46] <Viaken> Unenvarjo: Should I be bothered that it hasn't been updated in 4 years?
[07:46] <msikma> When will the site's /download page be updated?
[07:46] <troy_s> sklav:  man grep
[07:46] <CHodapp> fiendskull9, that's great, but people usually only see the GUI.
[07:46] <Saj> nomin: thnx, ii thought its one of them tight one:D:D:D....he he he
[07:46] <lwarimav> intelikey/
[07:46] <rendo> Windows is garbage, MAC's are like pre-garbage moldy cabbage, and Ubuntu is my wife's canoloni's
[07:46] <fiendskull9> CHodapp, yeah
[07:46] <Viaken> msikma: When Dapper is officially released.
[07:46] <msikma> eigenlambda: tsk. Starting zealous discussions again?
[07:46] <spartas> sklav: grep -i <search_text> <directory>
[07:47] <Saj> nomin rox:D
[07:47] <nomin> CHodapp, maybe some games can play on PB and some can't.  I don't know.
[07:47] <msikma> This is why I hate this channel.
[07:47] <jtd> eigenlambda: are you talking about hardware?  other than the thermal paste debacle, Macs are very, very well-designed machines.
[07:47] <nosklo> i want final dapper, where is it, where is it, where is it
[07:47] <CHodapp> fiendskull9, if you go to the prompt, then maybe it's like using Linux.
[07:47] <sklav> thanks spartas
[07:47] <fiendskull9> CHodapp, i do enjoy chatting with _real_ mac geeks though, because they appreciate the core
[07:47] <Unenvarjo> viaken, I haven't been.  "Hi! I'm a Mac" "I'm a PC!" ..."We run Ubuntu." *hugs all around*
[07:48] <rendo> Here's how the commericial would go.
[07:48] <CHodapp> UBUNTU?  "I'll never get viruses again!"
[07:49] <axion`> ubuntu accuses mac guy of being in the closet and kicks dirt on PC guy
[07:49] <Hentai_Jeff> lol rendo
[07:49] <nomin> CHodapp, I think it's a very useful program that ought to be a part of every distro:  http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/
[07:49] <eigenlambda> CHodapp: alright, i dane no idea what your name is supposed to mean
[07:49] <nomin> CHodapp:  it emulates keystroks and mouse with a joystick/gamepad
[07:49] <Hentai_Jeff> it'd be like that ctrl+alt+del comic
[07:49] <lastnode> dooglus, System ->Preferences ->Preferred Applications ?
[07:49] <CHodapp> nomin, hmmm....
[07:49] <rendo> Who argues with Kung-fu?
[07:49] <intelikey> lwarimav next you can do an rm .mozilla-f* -rf      and then start firefox
[07:49] <rendo> Like come on.
[07:50] <CHodapp> eigenlambda, Chris Hodapp
[07:50] <nomin> CHodapp:  it's not packaged for ubuntu yet.  I can only use it on mandriva now.
[07:50] <eigenlambda> CHodapp: oh, ok
[07:50] <dooglus> lastnode: yes, that one.  what's the program name?  like the name of the binary?
[07:50] <nomin> CHodapp:  other than a few small things, it's an awesome program.  I use it for games and for viewing multimedia on my tv.
[07:50] <CHodapp> I've got a nice Logitech joystick that I got used for $5, but I don't know where I'd want to use it with this...
[07:50] <eigenlambda> i was trying to parse it like 'CHod.app'
[07:50] <dooglus> lastnode: I'm running XFCE, so I don't see the menu, but some apps still use the GNOME settings.
[07:51] <lastnode> dooglus, gnome-default-applications-properties
[07:51] <poningru> kbrosnan: need help?
[07:51] <JoseStefan> ETA 16 hours 10 minutes
[07:51] <kbrosnan> no
[07:51] <amac> so what are the ubuntu people doing right now?
[07:51] <nomin> CHodapp: I emailed the develper for qjoypad and he says he doesn't have time to develop it, he would like help from more people.
[07:51] <CHodapp> amac,  I dunno,  I'm a Slackware user
[07:51] <lastnode> amac, they're hanging in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:51] <amac> developers I mean
[07:51] <rendo> Or maybe the commericial could have 3 generations of men.
[07:51] <CHodapp> though I may try Ubuntu - I've got some extra space on this box
[07:51] <SurfnKid> has anyone had big problems with the i2c and lm-sensor install?
[07:52] <dooglus> lastnode: thanks.  that's a good long name :)
[07:52] <rendo> A 50 year old Grandpa, His 20 year old son and his 1 year old grandson.
[07:52] <lastnode> dooglus, typical gnome devs ;-)
[07:52] <intelikey> amac watching folks like you, to see if the work was worth it.
[07:52] <dooglus> lastnode: I discovered that I can run it from "gnome-control-center" too
[07:52] <Hisakasex> hello
[07:52] <babo> So is dapper out then or what ?
[07:52] <rendo> babo or what
[07:52] <lastnode> babo, it will be, today :)
[07:52] <JoseStefan> ETA 16 hours 8 minutes
[07:52] <rahonavis> i just updated my RC of Dapper and there wasn't much to download
[07:52] <lastnode> yeah, it's pretty much gold
[07:52] <rahonavis> yeh, so ya'll dont lose sleep over it :)
[07:52] <thug> someone said it is out
[07:52] <thug> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185570
[07:53] <DShepherd> JoseStefan: how do you know?
[07:53] <amac> will there be another update?
[07:53] <Hisakasex> A hour ago I was asking how to check sent mails by postfix. The answer is in /var/log/mail.log
[07:53] <rendo> You know what a nasty practical joke would be?
[07:53] <cam> dapper out soon ... damn what if I've installed 5.1 ? can I upgrade easily ?
[07:53] <amac> cool
[07:53] <JoseStefan> DShepherd, cause by then it will be the 2nd of June
[07:53] <Viaken> thug: That's just someone poking around in places they shouldn't be. ;)
[07:53] <rendo> If someone renamed an XP install iso to an ubuntu install iso and someone went to install it and installed windows :(
[07:53] <stjepan> thug, but is it true?
[07:53] <babo> Isn't it today already ?
[07:53] <CHodapp> What's the normal installation method? CDs? How many? Netinstall?
[07:53] <ompaul> cam yes
[07:53] <lastnode> cam, yes you can, apt-get dist upgrade
[07:53] <stjepan> babo, see the topic
[07:53] <lastnode> CHodapp, one CD
[07:53] <CHodapp> Cool.
[07:54] <rahonavis> isn't it dist-upgrade, lastnode ?
[07:54] <Krank> Anyone here have a ASRock 939Dual-Sata2 mb?
[07:54] <thug> stjepan looks like they also have the md5sums
[07:54] <amac> awesome, downloading right now =)
[07:54] <CHodapp> Are there normally torrents?
[07:54] <cam> ok, that's what i thought ;) dist-upgrade
[07:54] <lastnode> rahonavis, yes, sorry, my bad
[07:54] <stjepan> ftp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/MD5SUMS
[07:54] <JoseStefan> CHodap, yep
[07:54] <lastnode> cam, what rahonavis said
[07:54] <stjepan> wow
[07:54] <Hentai_Jeff> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060513
[07:54] <grv> o_O
[07:54] <CHodapp> I'm on an evil network that won't allow torrents. Maybe I'll wait a week until I'm home to get the torrents.
[07:54] <stjepan> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/dapper.php
[07:54] <amac> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/dapper-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[07:55] <Hisakasex> you can use egrep '(reject|warning|error|fatal|panic):' /var/log/mail.log
[07:55] <JoseStefan> CHodap, there are torrents, http and ftp
[07:55] <lwarimav> intelikey: ok
[07:55] <lastnode> CHodapp, you can deebootstrap too
[07:55] <CHodapp> deebootstrap?
[07:55] <nomin> CHodapp, i think you can order it for free via the mail.
[07:55] <intelikey> lwarimav last thing you did was ?
[07:55] <lastnode> CHodapp, google is your friend. you're a slackware man, i doubt i need to explain much
[07:55] <Bardamu> hello
[07:56] <lastnode> hi Bardamu , how may we help you today?:)
[07:56] <CHodapp> Don't ask them questions, they'll just send you to GOOGLE!
[07:56] <Saj> !dapper
[07:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'Dapper Drake' will be released in less than 24 hours, but not at 0:00 UTC! (NO, we cannot be more precise)
[07:56] <lwarimav> intelikey: well I try to enter the first command you gave but they tell me "lwarimav is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[07:56] <lwarimav> "
[07:56] <Bardamu> lastnode,  i don't need help today :)
[07:56] <Hentai_Jeff> but google owns
[07:56] <neoxan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185570
[07:56] <lastnode> CHodapp, er?
[07:56] <rpedro> !jigdo
[07:56] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, rpedro
[07:56] <neoxan> check that thread
[07:56] <neoxan> :)
[07:56] <CHodapp> Ah, that's why I couldn't find it . . . only one 'e' in debootstrap
[07:57] <intelikey> lwarimav ah   are you not the admin of that box ?
[07:57] <grv> arent the md5s different from the dailys compared to: ftp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/MD5SUMS ?
[07:57] <lwarimav> intelikey: yes
[07:57] <mikedep333> !nvidia
[07:57] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:57] <JoseStefan> "Contact the system administrator" that sure brings memories
[07:57] <CHodapp> I'll just wait till I'm home to grab the torrents . . . this network is smoking crack anyway, I have to jump through some hoops to make anything get online.
[07:57] <intelikey> lwarimav and you can't sudo ?    can you su -  ?
[07:57] <MTecknology> is there any program that will speak text the I type and hopefully feed it back into my computer?
[07:58] <nomin> CHodapp, do you think you would find qjoypad useful?
[07:58] <rahonavis> CHodapp, why not use a download manager and fetch direct http ?
[07:58] <lwarimav> intelikey: no
[07:58] <lastnode> MTecknology, apt-cache search festival
[07:58] <lastnode> CHodapp, wget ftw!
[07:58] <intelikey> lwarimav how do you admin the box without root access ?
[07:58] <CHodapp> rahonavis, eh, just don't feel like doing it now.
[07:58] <CHodapp> wanna conserve bandwidth... or something.
[07:58] <lwarimav> intelikey: well you see I have a user account like all others
[07:59] <BlackWind>       /quit
[07:59] <BlackWind> oops
[07:59] <Krank> question from a bit of a noob... when attempting to use the live cd I get this: "hdc: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit
[07:59] <Krank> Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block <varies>" Any ideas?
[07:59] <JoseStefan> you can always seed it later
[07:59] <lastnode> lwarimav, then you're not a box admin, right?
[07:59] <CHodapp> yeah...
[07:59] <Hentai_Jeff> wonder how many ppl are on ubuntu.com/download refreshing every 2 seconds
[07:59] <lwarimav> intelikey: no
[07:59] <lwarimav> intelikey: i mean yes
[07:59] <lastnode> Krank, did you check your md5sums before you burned the iso?
[07:59] <Krank> It's actually hdc there
[08:00] <grv> ppl are going to be fuming if this comes out on the 2nd
[08:00] <lastnode> Hentai_Jeff, arent you already runnning breezy? just dist-upgrade
[08:00] <intelikey> lwarimav ok so as the admin user or root or whoever is able,  if you want to be safe make a backup of your home.  else we can proceed without backups
[08:00] <Krank> No, Think the burn was a bit off?
[08:00] <Hentai_Jeff> actully my ubuntu machine's down
[08:00] <lastnode> @now Colombo
[08:00] <Ubugtu> Current time in Asia/Colombo: June 01 2006, 12:00:26
[08:00] <Hentai_Jeff> and I was on flight 5 before then
[08:00] <rahonavis> grv its already out a link has already been posted with isos from the ubuntuforums.org
[08:00] <grv> ive seen the link
[08:00] <Hentai_Jeff> getting the new motherboard tommorow
[08:00] <lastnode> Hentai_Jeff, just install flight5 and dist-uprade :)
[08:00] <spikeb> IT IS NOT OUT
[08:00] <Hentai_Jeff> or really today
[08:00] <grv> the md5s are different
[08:01] <rahonavis> oh.
[08:01] <lwarimav> intelekey: oko
[08:01] <rahonavis> i appologize to channel
[08:01] <rahonavis> someone should close that thread
[08:01] <rahonavis> wasting our bandwidth
[08:01] <MTecknology> lastnode, I have festival, but when I try to make it say text, it doesn't say anything. I used >SayText "Hello"
[08:01] <intelikey> lwarimav tell me when you are read for the next step.
[08:01] <intelikey> ready
[08:01] <lwarimav> intelikey: ok
[08:01] <Linuturk> grrr, release 6.06
[08:01] <Linuturk> :(
[08:01] <dunnix> hello everyone
[08:01] <lastnode> MTecknology, you'll need to google
[08:02] <animato> hello, syanptic keeps connecting to repos in Australia, how can i change it?
[08:02] <Hentai_Jeff> if I had my ubuntu machine already up I'd be on 6.06 already
[08:02] <rahonavis> so many people are upset it isn't released.  if ya want it that bad you could get the RC and update / upgrade :)
[08:02] <MTecknology> I have it
[08:02] <Hentai_Jeff> gotta love power surges
[08:02] <MTecknology> I love it
[08:02] <lwarimav> intelikey: I am ready
[08:02] <intelikey> lwarimav next you can remove the firefox dir.   do an rm .mozilla-f* -rf      and then start firefox