[02:26] <goddard> can you get a library for a snap package that isn't in the repo
[02:26] <goddard> it was in 14.04 but 16.04 has an upgraded library that isn't compatable
[02:27] <sarnold> goddard: probably #snappy is going to be more active
[02:30] <goddard> k
[04:59] <pitti> nacc: not serious, germinate just ignores it; but of course it will not be what we intend
[06:38] <infinity> sgclark: kubuntu 16.04.1 testing looks pretty lacking.  Are there people working on it?
[06:38] <infinity> yofel: ^
[06:39] <sgclark> infinity: sorry, I have not had time to do much on kubuntu recently due to realjob.
[06:40] <infinity> sgclark: Wasn't implying you need to be doing the testing, but maybe you know some people to poke.
[06:40] <infinity> (given that we release today...)
[06:40] <sgclark> sure. I can poke lol
[08:12] <mwhudson> so um, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html#golang-1.6 <- why is golang-dbus listed as in progress?
[08:12] <mwhudson> it finished hours ago
[08:17] <infinity> mwhudson: I beg to differ, looks like it never ran.
[08:17]  * infinity triggers another.
[08:18] <mwhudson> infinity: oh hm, guess so, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/golang-dbus/yakkety/amd64/ has one more run than http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/g/golang-dbus/yakkety/i386/
[08:19] <infinity> mwhudson: More important is the trigger column.
[08:19] <mwhudson> oh right
[08:19] <mwhudson> running now, thanks
[08:21] <infinity> mwhudson: I know. ;)
[08:26] <mwhudson> and now it's not
[08:34] <mwhudson> bah, missed a rebuild
[09:09] <mwhudson>  ups no, i'm an idiot
[10:53] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: Finally dug in to your comment on semiosis' MP: (https://code.launchpad.net/~semiosis/livecd-rootfs/fix-for-1565985/+merge/298305) :)
[11:20] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Commented.
[12:27] <xnox> my understanding was that qemu&kvm merged. and all virtualisation is executed with "qemu" binary and it could be hardware accelerated (kvm) or not (user)
[12:27] <xnox> systemd-detect-virt says qemu... even though libvirt says hypervisor is kvm
[12:27] <xnox> is systemd-detect-virt == "kvm" obsolete and never happens anymore?
[12:59] <semiosis> Odd_Bloke, infinity: want me to remove the virtualbox-guest-dkms from the vagrant image??
[12:59] <semiosis> s/??/?/
[13:02] <infinity> semiosis: It shouldn't be necessary.
[13:02] <semiosis> testing it now
[13:03] <infinity> semiosis: And removing it means you're not pulling in dkms, compiler, etc.
[13:03] <semiosis> +1
[13:08] <Odd_Bloke> I'm building a test box with it removed using the proper infrastructure, too.
[13:12] <Odd_Bloke> semiosis: Could you test the box at http://bit.ly/2abcYqz ?
[13:12] <mdeslaur> doko: any plan on fixing bug 1353729 ?
[13:26] <semiosis> Odd_Bloke: your yakkety image and my xenial image both worked great.  i changed my branch to not install the dkms package.
[13:30] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: Your comment is now addressed: ^
[13:34] <Odd_Bloke> I have a Python package whose setup.py installs a library and some scripts; I want to split these up in to python-foo, python3-foo and foo (where foo Depends on python3-foo).  At the moment, I'm using override_dh_python3 to move /usr/bin out of python3-foo in to foo, and override_dh_python2 to remove /usr/bin from python2-foo.
[13:34] <Odd_Bloke> Is there a better way to handle this?
[13:35] <Odd_Bloke> (I'm also calling dh_python{2,3} in each of those overrides)
[13:49] <techsayan> Hi, I was trying to assign group permissions in my server, can someone help me out setting up group permissions on the system level rather than file/directory level?
[13:50] <semiosis> techsayan: i think that #ubuntu-server is a better place to ask that
[13:50] <techsayan> semiosis: thanks
[14:27] <andrewsh> cyphermox: are you the wpa guy in Ubuntu?
[14:28] <andrewsh> cyphermox: any idea when https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpa/+bug/1528173 may be done?
[14:30] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: How about debian/foo.install containing usr/bin, debian/python-foo.install containing usr/lib/python2.*, and debian/python3-foo.install containing usr/lib/python3?
[14:31] <cjwatson> Works for me in germinate.
[15:02] <jamespage> pitti, hey - I uploaded a fix for my broken ceph 10.2.2 SRU for xenial - any chance you could take a look?
[15:02] <pitti> jamespage: travel+changing train + team meeting, can you please ping some other SRU team member?
[15:02] <pitti> (sorry)
[15:04] <jamespage> pitti, sure np - arges - would you have time to look at ^^ ?
[15:12] <sil2100> Laney: hey!
[15:13] <sil2100> Laney: or hm, unhey, nevermind ;)
[15:26] <arges> jamespage: does this override whats currently in proposed?
[15:31] <nacc> pitti: yep, thanks! I've sent an e-mail to ubuntu-server for the tasks, etc that seem to be out-of-date and relevant there
[15:56] <jamespage> arges, yah
[15:56] <arges> jamespage: ack
[16:12] <nacc> rbasak: ok, looking at memcached, need your input :)
[16:16] <slangasek> Odd_Bloke, semiosis: uploaded to yakkety
[16:18] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: Thanks!
[16:23] <coreycb> arges, could you reject ceilometer 1:6.1.1-0ubuntu1 from the xenial queue?  we have a newer version in the queue now.
[16:24] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: We would really, really like this backported to xenial as well (because that box has all these issues); shall I help semiosis prepare the diff that just got merged as an SRU?
[16:31] <jamespage> arges, ta
[17:02] <slangasek> Odd_Bloke: yes, if you can help drive that livecd-rootfs change for SRU that would be splendid
[17:03] <slangasek> Odd_Bloke: the trusty branch should be current and targetable: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trusty-proposed
[17:04] <sil2100> !dmb-ping
[17:05] <sil2100> The community council would like us to check in on #ubuntu-meeting now
[17:05] <micahg> not for another 25 min
[17:05] <sil2100> Since they said that if none from the desktop team will show up, they'd like us to go first (so now)
[17:12] <pitti> tyhicks, jdstrand: hi! I'll soon be blocked by the outstanding apparmor merge with debian; is that something you can look into, or should I find some time for that?
[17:14] <pitti> (or potentially a sync, Debian took a lot of our changes)
[18:05] <doko> bdmurray, xnox: what's the status about python-cassandra? I only can see an open issue with python-cassandra-driver
[18:46] <jgrimm> bdmurray, still on SRU duty? looking for a bit of assist on curtin SRU
[18:50] <jgrimm> bdmurray, 0.1.0~bzr399-0ubuntu1~14.04.1  needs to replace 0.1.0~bzr389-0ubuntu1~14.04.1 in trusty-proposed (I've 'verification-failed-trusty' today to make it explicit we don't want 389)
[19:00] <doko> mdeslaur, reading backlog, what is the question?
[19:00] <bdmurray> jgrimm: I'll have a look
[19:03] <mdeslaur> doko: mysql wasn't building with the updated gcc-4.8 in trusty because of bug 1353729
[19:03] <mdeslaur> doko: I've found a workaround now, so don't care anymore, thanks
[19:05] <doko> mdeslaur, if workarounds work, that would be my preferred solution. If fixes are in 4.8.5, then we could try to backport. But there are nontrivial gaps between 4.8 and 4.9 ...
[19:06] <mdeslaur> ok, thanks
[19:08] <nacc> jbicha: fyi, the reason i held off on my merge was both maas and openstack have dependencies on the version of python-django
[19:09] <jbicha> nacc: ok, it that's still relevant, could you add that to the bug so someone doesn't unknowingly sponsor it then
[19:09] <nacc> jbicha: yep, i'm doing that now
[19:09] <jbicha> thanks
[19:11] <nacc> jbicha: sorry i forgot to update my bug while I was digging into that
[19:11] <nacc> jbicha: if you want to throw your build into a PPA, the affected teams would be able to test, i'm guessing
[19:13] <jbicha> I might just wait until 1.10, the main reason I opened the bug was because I made a minor improvement to the pymysql patch
[19:13] <nacc> jbicha: just an fyi: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html, i'm marked as handling it :)
[19:15] <jbicha> nacc: oops, I didn't think to look there
[19:16] <nacc> jbicha: it's ok :)
[19:16] <nacc> jbicha: looks like openstack (upstream) may not be compatible with the latest django (just updated the bug w/ a comment)
[19:19] <jgrimm> thanks bdmurray!
[20:02] <jdstrand> pitti: I'm going to defer to tyhicks and/or ratliff on that. I could do it, but would need them to tell me what to deprioritize
[20:17] <nacc> hggdh: good effort to get that individual to point to a an actual discussion; sad response
[20:22] <hggdh> nacc: yes. Pity, though. OTOH, not the first time that I see something similar from him/her
[20:23] <nacc> hggdh: agreed
[21:44] <nacc> my goodness, I consider myself to be overly verbose, but this Xen character is something else
[22:00] <snkcld> where can i find the repo that contains the ubuntu bluez package code?
[22:02] <nacc> snkcld: what do you mean by repo? i usuually would just do `pull-lp-source -d bluez` (or without -d if you are ok with it untarring locally)
[22:04] <snkcld> well, according to the "ubuntu distributed development" page... it says thats the "traditional" way, so im just trying to figure out how i can clone the code for the bluez package via bzr
[22:04] <snkcld> "With Ubuntu Distributed Development all packages in the Ubuntu (and Debian) archive are automatically imported into Bazaar branches on our code hosting site Launchpad"
[22:04] <nacc> udd is dead :)
[22:04] <nacc> i believe
[22:04] <snkcld> ahahah
[22:05] <snkcld> ok then! that answers it
[22:05] <nacc> snkcld: i'm working on a git-alternative of sorts, but it's not quite as feature-rich yet
[22:05] <snkcld> is pull-lp-source what you use then? and you do the whole debdiff thing?
[22:05] <nacc> snkcld: yeah, basically
[22:05] <nacc> snkcld: let me point you at some of the tooling
[22:05] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging/GitWorkflow
[22:06] <nacc> snkcld: i recommend, if you're comfortable with git, using pull-lp-source -d and then git dsc-commit
[22:06] <snkcld> i am very comfortable with git
[22:06] <nacc> jgrimm: fyi, importing memcached now
[22:06] <jgrimm> nacc, thanks sir
[22:06] <snkcld> i got to go, but thanks nacc
[22:06] <nacc> jgrimm: did rbasak do at? I think you asked fro that too?
[22:06] <nacc> snkcld: np, feel free to ping here with questions
[22:08] <snkcld> why "-d" ?
[22:08] <snkcld> nacc:
[22:10] <jgrimm> nacc, looks like it -> https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/at
[22:10] <nacc> snkcld: download-only
[22:10] <nacc> snkcld: that way you can use git-dsc-commit to import into a git repository
[22:11] <nacc> snkcld: otherwise it'll just extract the source package into an appropriately named directory; i guess you coudl git init in there, but it's justa n extra step :)
[22:11] <nacc> jgrimm: ok, thanks for checking
[22:12] <jgrimm> np, thank you
[22:54] <nacc> jgrimm: https://code.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/memcached/+git/memcached
[22:55] <nacc> rbasak: fyi, memcached works now --^ pushed a few commits, and also the retry logic for lp actually works (and it just happened to me a few times, so tested too :)


[00:08] <giosue_c> hi.  i'm looking at the error logs of a system that failed while installing.
[00:08] <giosue_c> this may seem remedial, but i'm wondering how to get the logs off the system so I can keep the error messages around.
[00:10] <giosue_c> i see the nc command is available and i'll probably use that, but would be nice to know what the standard approach to getting a copy of the logs is.
[00:13] <cjwatson> the usual advice I give is to go back to the installer main menu, select "Save debug logs", and follow the instructions
[00:14] <cjwatson> it's also possible to run 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb' and after that you'll have scp, or as you observe you can use nc
[00:20] <giosue_c> thanks.  good to know.  switched my build from feisty to hardy today and something's not quite right.
[09:35] <CIA-1> oem-config: cjwatson * r477 oem-config/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.40
[12:15] <xivulon> evand, can you please test wubi within vm with < 256MB?
[12:48] <CIA-1> partman-base: cjwatson * r97 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog lib/base.sh):
[12:48] <CIA-1> partman-base: Don't disable /dev/ramzswap* swap devices (thanks, John McCabe-Dansted;
[12:48] <CIA-1> partman-base: LP: #193552).
[12:51] <CIA-1> partman-base: cjwatson * r98 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 121ubuntu2
[13:56] <evand> xivulon: sure
[14:18] <evand> xivulon: The 256 MB check is fine, but using today's CD I'm getting an invalid CD detected when launching umenu
[14:43] <xivulon> arg I forgot about umenu
[14:45] <xivulon> !define VERSION "8.04"
[14:46] <xivulon> src/umenu.nsi
[14:46] <xivulon> should be 8.04.1
[14:46] <xivulon> evand please try with the above ^
[14:47] <evand> will do
[15:06] <evand> that worked.  Ok, I'll commit this and ask slangasek if he's willing to regenerate the desktop CDs at this point.
[15:14] <xivulon> sorry for that umenu completely slipped my mind
[15:16] <evand> hopefully slangasek will let another build through :/
[16:49] <evand> xivulon: have you experienced any crashes while testing Wubi.exe?  I seem to be getting them with some frequency in 8.04.1.
[16:50] <chrismat> I want to install Ubuntu from CentOS PXE
[16:50] <chrismat> unattended
[16:50] <chrismat> What should i use debconf, fai or kickstart?
[16:52] <xivulon> evand no, not particularly
[16:52] <xivulon> quite strange because if anything there is less stuff now
[16:52] <xivulon> maybe do you have several ISOs around?
[16:53] <evand> I don't believe so.  I always uncheck the box for backing up the ISO.
[16:53] <evand> I also hit a bug where it asked the timezone question, but I cannot reproduce it now.
[16:55] <xivulon> hmm would have liked to have had more feedback on this a few days ago'...
[16:57] <evand> Indeed, we're probably stuck with it now.
[17:02] <cjwatson> chrismat: I don't recommend fai simply because the Ubuntu installer team has very little experience with it and so it probably hasn't been touched very much for Ubuntu
[17:03] <cjwatson> chrismat: either debconf preseeding or Kickstart is fine; preseeding is more powerful in and of itself while Kickstart is simpler; however, you can use Kickstart and add a few preseeding commands to tweak things that go wrong, if you like
[17:04] <xivulon> evand there is no change in the source that would make segfaults more likely as far as I can see, must be a random change (like behaviour changing because of an extra print statement...)
[17:05] <xivulon> as for the timezone the code is slightly different now, it might be that you had that with the french version?
[17:05] <xivulon> ms has this nice habit of saving configuration values in localized form from time to time...
[17:15] <evand> cute, and yes, I was using the French Windows XP Professional.
[17:16] <evand> However, it only failed once while using it.
[20:26] <james_w> testing today's intrepid daily alternate I get "hotkey-setup: Depends: discover (>= 2.0) but it is not installable". I'm stuck at finding out the cause though.
[21:51] <opapo> how do I use kickstart to automate the install of a lamp server
[23:25] <cjwatson> james_w: I fixed hotkey-setup this morning
[23:25] <cjwatson> opapo: I'm going to bed now, but either stick around and I'll answer tomorrow morning if nobody beats me to it, or send mail as in the /topic
[23:26] <james_w> cjwatson: great, thanks
[23:28] <giosue_c> i'm trying to build a hardy alternate installer cd with cdimage.  germinate isn't finding some dependencies of the xubuntu-desktop package.  I think it is because the packages it requires are in universe, but the germinate command cdimage is using only looks at main.
[23:33] <cjwatson> giosue_c: set CDIMAGE_UNSUPPORTED in the environment. (grep for that and you'll see what I mean.)
[23:33] <cjwatson> see the 'export CDIMAGE_UNSUPPORTED=1' lines in cdimage/bin/build-image-set
[23:33] <giosue_c> i think i already know what you mean :).  I'm pretty sure i bumped my head on that before.
[23:34] <giosue_c> now that you mention it!
[23:34] <giosue_c> thanks
[23:37] <giosue_c> I see it returns a mirror location of ftp-universe instead of ftp
[23:37] <cjwatson> that's due to cdimage's local wacky mirror layout, feel free to override
[23:37]  * cjwatson -> bed, no really
[23:38] <giosue_c> :)
[23:38] <giosue_c> thanks
[23:59] <xivulon> evand yes it matters, because people use the local directory to pass a pre-downloaded ISO, but with a self-extracting wubi I cannot know which one is the local directory


[00:31] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez, where does the zsync iso gets downloaded?
[00:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> Download finished but I can't find the iso
[00:32] <kc2bez> It should download in the folder in which you executed the command.
[00:33] <kc2bez> Try a `ls`
[00:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> oops! yes it's there only. I didn't notice earlier. :p
[00:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> too less caffinne
[00:35] <kc2bez> No worries :)
[00:36] <kc2bez> Isn't it like 2 AM there?
[00:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> 6 am
[00:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> can't sleep. thanks to cold. So I thought I should complete configuring my new install and also get it up for packaging.
[00:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> I got the gpg and ssh keys set up inside my chroot
[00:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> now creating a vm
[00:43] <kc2bez> Cool. Setting up your dev environment is helpful. Once you get it set you are good to go.
[00:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://share.riseup.net/#oybEoDX-z-2HAM9dkyE6Zg
[00:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> wow! didn't know lubuntu had an option of hindi and marathi among it's langauges
[00:51] <The_LoudSpeaker> I would like to help in translations. Who's been doing it till now?
[00:53] <kc2bez> I can't answer who has been doing the translations. It comes from many different places I think. There is a lot of work that comes from the upstream projects and Ubuntu.
[00:54] <kc2bez> Is that screenshot from a recent daily?
[00:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> @kc2bez, yes. installing now
[00:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> 91% done
[00:58] <kc2bez> Nice. Did it set the language and locale automatically?
[00:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> tho I installed this in english. I will install next one in hindi. gotta test this one.
[00:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup
[00:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> it guessed that by itself
[00:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> installation complete now rebooting
[00:59] <kc2bez> That is great! I did a bunch of cleanup work on that. If you have an Internet connection it should use geoip to get your location.
[01:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> ohh noice.
[01:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> umm @wxl you closed T59 as resolved. Was it tested throghly after landing? asking coz in my latest vm, fresh install from latest build of the iso, the Super+Fx keys and super+num keys are not working.
[01:16] <kc2bez> That is what Hans was referring to earlier.
[01:17] <kc2bez> There seems to be some issues.
[01:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> ALso, the issue I said about desktopswitch2. seems to be there in my vms. so I will do a fresh install on a real system sometime later today. I will be able to analyse more.
[01:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will reopen T59, @HMollerCl please describe the issue there.
[01:19] <kc2bez> It will need a LP bug too.
[01:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1802501
[01:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ this one will do?
[01:21] <kc2bez> Perhaps with some updating, probably should check with wxl .
[01:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#2249
 Yes, check with wxl
[01:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> umm. I reopned already.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> umm @wxl you closed T59 as resolved. Was it tested throghly af …], At least in my case it only happens for panel and runner (which have their own shortcut definition)
[01:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay. noted @HMollerCl.
[01:25] <kc2bez> We should all so some testing and report our findings on the task probably.
[01:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah please do.
 And restarting panel and runner solved the issue, but restarting global keys make it fail again
 It's like it needo some order
[01:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah. globalkeys is acting verry wierd.
[01:27] <kc2bez> Take some good notes and hopefully we can track it down.
[01:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah. doing it rn. haven't touched the config files. Just installed and tested the shortcuts. Noting which work and which don't and how.
[01:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) edited a message on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#2249
 @The_LoudSpeaker https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1841331
[01:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> @guiverc, Can you please test this and report on T59, Just a clean install on any bare metal and see if the shortcuts work as specified in P38
[01:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> @HMollerCl noted.
[01:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#2251
[01:46] <The_LoudSpeaker> exit
[01:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ignore
[01:47] <kc2bez> :)
 in ubucunla they showed this ¿hilarious? https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671#issuecomment-70021818
 Line 468: rm -rf "$STEAMROOT/"*
[02:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T59: fix keyboard shortcuts] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T59#2252
[04:27] <guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, re: t59 testing, clean install of current 19.10 daily? or wxl's testy-testy ppa? or ??
[06:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6fa6da64c26d: Spellcheck muon] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6fa6da64c26d
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[06:18] <lynorian> also thanks whoever packaged new featherpad
[06:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc9adade7c547: Spellcheck pcmanfm-qt] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc9adade7c547
[06:31] <lynorian> this is much better spell check than vim
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[12:30] <guiverc> ack.


[10:27] <s-fox> Hello.
[16:45] <bereta> hello, can any one tell me how to add icons and shortcuts to the launcher in Ubuntu NBR
[16:53] <bereta> is any one here?


[12:18] <crimsun> Trewas: excellent. I knew I had been recommended the latest bios for a reason. :-)
[03:46] <tritium> mjg59, crimsun: the kernel/display bug I mentioned a few days ago appears to be what Hobbsee reported in #61979
[03:47] <crimsun> bug 61979
[03:47] <tritium> yes
[03:48] <crimsun> (That was for Ubugtu, not you.)
[03:48] <tritium> sorry
[03:48] <crimsun> np :-)
[03:50] <tritium> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810/+bug/61979
[03:50] <crimsun> tritium: so the workaround there also works?
[03:50] <tritium> since Ubugtu isn't responding.
[03:50] <crimsun> [works for you]
[03:50] <tritium> That I need to verify.
[03:56] <tritium> be right back...
[03:58] <tritium> Sweet, the workaround does work :)
[03:59] <tritium> My first time in X on a kernel version > 2.6.17-7
[03:59] <crimsun> great :-)
[03:59] <tritium> Yeah!  Good for an installed system, but how to work around it on a livecd?
[04:00] <tritium> i.e., I still can't install the beta
[04:01] <crimsun> good question. I'd use the alternate.
[04:03] <tritium> okay
[04:03] <tritium> At least the bug is confirmed, and High
[04:04] <crimsun> (rather, that there is a known workaround and a means of installing Edgy Beta)
[04:04] <tritium> Yes, you're right.  Just have to download a new .iso now ;)
[04:43] <jldugger> i donno if thats exactly good for an installed system
[04:43] <jldugger> yea, it works better than X crashes
[04:43] <jldugger> but no acpi on a laptop is so 1999
[05:22] <spanky_> Hello. Is there anyone here with a couple of minutes who is good with power management issues? I have a Toshiba satellite. Intel M 1.6Mhz and have been trying to get things running properly for a while now. It clocks the CPU at 600Mhz 100% It says CPU freq. Scaling is unsuported. And I have yet too hear the fan come on even thought he machine get's fairly warm. 53C right now.
[05:22] <jldugger> dont cook it
[05:23] <jldugger> dapper or edgy?
[05:23] <spanky_> dapper
[05:25] <jldugger> so when you run "sudo invoke-rc.d powernowd restart"
[05:25] <jldugger> what's it say?
[05:26] <spanky_>  * Stopping powernowd:                                                   [ ok ]
[05:26] <spanky_>  * Starting powernowd...  * CPU frequency scaling not supported
[05:28] <spanky_> I'm sure it's just that I've missed some package or module somewhere but I can't for the life of me figure out which
[05:29] <jldugger> which model satellite?
[05:30] <spanky_> Satellite M30                  Model #: PSM33C-YSJ00E
[05:30] <jldugger> at any rate if it gets above 65, turn it off, let it cool off and pop in the live cd, see if the same thing happens
[05:31] <jldugger> try "sudo lsmod | grep acpi" anything come out?
[05:33] <spanky_> yes toshiba_acpi 0             sony_acpi 0                  pcc_acpi   0     dev_acpi 0       acpi_sbs 0            battery 1 acpi_sbs         ac 1 acpi_sbs           i2c_acpi_ec 1 acpi_sbs         i2c_core 2 i2c_acpi_ec, nvidia
[05:36] <jldugger> interesting
[05:37] <jldugger> try "sudo lsmod | grep speedstep"
[05:37] <spanky_> I've had it for a while and have been fiddling trying to get the darn thing working properly so not sure if I've made it worse or better...well obviously not any better since it's still not quiet right
[05:38] <spanky_> no speedstep modules found
[05:43] <jldugger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MataroSessionsWorkshops/CPUFreqModuleLoading
[05:44] <jldugger> grab that script and lemme know what it suggestse
[05:51] <spanky_> speedstep-centrino
[05:52] <jldugger> next step, try putting that guy in the kernel
[05:52] <jldugger> "sudo modprobe speedstep-centrino"
[05:52] <spanky_> FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device
[05:54] <jldugger> hmm
[05:54] <jldugger> "cat /proc/cmdline"
[05:55] <spanky_> root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[05:56] <jldugger> hmm
[05:56] <jldugger> looking at launchpad, it seems that the Pentium Ms may have a bios bug
[05:56] <spanky_> I'm not a big poweruser and try not to toy with the kernel if at all possible. My experiences in gentoo showed that nothing good ever came from toying with what you don't understand
[05:56] <jldugger> heh
[05:57] <spanky_> launchpad?
[05:57] <jldugger> well, just wanted to check out how badly you'd screwed things up, but you seem okay so far
[05:57] <jldugger> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/28433
[05:57] <jldugger> launchpad is a web service canonical uses for stuff like project management
[05:59] <jldugger> anyways
[05:59] <jldugger> "sudo modprobe acpi-cpufreq"
[06:01] <spanky_> FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
[06:04] <jldugger> p4-clockmod?
[06:05] <spanky_> that installed
[06:06] <jldugger> excellent
[06:06] <jldugger> now try to restart powernowd
[06:08] <spanky_> powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.97, (c) 2003-2006 John Clemens
[06:08] <spanky_> powernowd: Found 1 scalable unit:  -- 1 'CPU' per scalable unit
[06:08] <spanky_> powernowd:   cpu0: 75Mhz - 600Mhz (8 steps)
[06:08] <jldugger> hmm
[06:08] <spanky_> looks like a step in the right direction
[06:09] <jldugger> add a cpu frequency scaling monitor to your gnome-panel
[06:10] <spanky_> have 1 running and it's bouncing around between 400-600Mhz now
[06:10] <spanky_> but it's a 1.6Ghz Processor that still thinks 60Mhz is it's max
[06:10] <spanky_> 600mhz
[06:13] <Nailor> Do you have the latest bios onboard?
[06:14] <spanky_> in all honesty not sure. I've never tried to do bios updates using linux. Have always done them under windows as a quick download the exe and run
[06:14] <Nailor> You still got windows on that machine?
[06:15] <Nailor> Apparently the updating is possible if required bios update is burned on cd and installed from there, if windows is not present
[06:15] <Nailor> Dunno still will the bios update fix the problem
[06:21] <spanky_> Is there a manual way to tell the powernow daemon that it's got the max CPU speed wrong? Does it gget this from a config file somewhere?
[06:22] <Nailor> Well, one option would be shutting down powernowd
[06:22] <Nailor> Though, if the speedstep-centrino is not working, the scaling capabilities will be lost then
[06:24] <spanky_> I stopped powernowd and the CPU freq is still changing
[06:24] <Nailor> oh
[06:25] <Nailor> Not going over 600 though?
[06:25] <spanky_> still capped out at 600
[06:26] <spanky_> ...and it's failing to restart


[20:34] <Souler> hello. Witch one for you is the best free video editor for linux?
[20:44] <oerheks> shotcut, https://snapcraft.io/blog/looking-for-video-editing-software-the-snap-store-has-some-nice-apps-for-you
[21:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's a matter of opinion. Ubuntu Studio includes Kdenlive by default since it sits right in the spot for professionals and prosumers alike.


[08:47] <Unit193> seb128: In regards to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bittornado/+bug/1735346, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[08:52] <seb128> hey Unit193
[08:53] <seb128> Unit193, I'm unsure what's your point there?
[08:55] <Unit193> seb128: Mainly that bittornado is part of Ubuntu "infra", hence why it might be in main.  Best guess at least.
[08:56] <seb128> Unit193, that might be an useful comment for the bug then, from my perspective it doesn't need to be on the iso, I don't know about IS use of it and what that means in support though
[08:56] <Nafallo> pretty sure they use it.
[08:57] <Unit193> I know they do, page says as much.
[08:57] <seb128> the number of downloads/use is really low though, maybe they can close it :p
[08:57] <Unit193> I never used the Py3 version of the tracker, by then I'd switched to opentracker (with udp support!), but I don't know if it does exactly what they want.
[08:58] <Unit193> seb128: Not sure how much those numbers could be trusted, but having that tracker in there looks better than one that keeps changing and is used in all the latest pirated software. ;)
[08:58] <Unit193> Anyway, FYI and all.
[08:59] <seb128> Unit193, thanks, that's an useful info, can you comment on the bug about that?
[08:59] <Unit193> If I must.
[09:00] <Unit193> (I wasn't sure that was warranted.)
[09:03] <seb128> Unit193, as you want, it might just help doko or others who care more than me about demoting python2
[09:12] <Unit193> (I still have py2 only stuff, thus have a vested interest in keeping it around. :P )
[09:19] <Unit193> (I posted a comment to the bug report.)
[09:19] <seb128> (thanks)
[10:21] <doko> Unit193: universe should be good enough for keeping it around
[10:21] <doko> mwhudson: do you want a promotion for golang-1.9?
[10:22] <doko> I assume same bug scubscribers as golang-1.8
[10:22] <Unit193> I presume you are not addressing the Ubuntu torrent tracker with that statement, and in that case yes universe is (more or less) decent.
[10:26] <doko> Unit193: but why not updating to the Python3 port?  exchanging a non-maintained package with a slightly maintained package sounds better
[10:26] <Unit193> doko: Regarding bittornado specifically?  Yes I do use the py3 port, it's other stuff like Deluge and mini-dinstall which sadly aren't ready, or even started.
[10:28] <cjwatson> I tried porting launchpad-buildd to Python 3 over the weekend.  It isn't quite workable on xenial (at least without some not entirely trivial backports), sadly.
[10:28] <Unit193> Oh gah, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools/+bug/1099537 too.
[10:28] <cjwatson> It's close, but twistd can't daemonise on Python 3 with twisted < 16.4.0.
[10:29] <doko> is it worth thinking of a twisted backport, or update to 16.4 in xenial?
[10:29] <Unit193> I suppose 'Convert Launchpad build system to pip' is still in progress.
[10:29] <doko> or wait for bionic?
[10:30] <doko> Unit193: I think the "in progress" might be out of date ;)
[10:30] <cjwatson> In what sense is it out of date?
[10:30] <Unit193> doko: I quite agree.
[10:30] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/virtualenv-pip/+merge/331388
[10:30] <cjwatson> doko: Yes, a backport might be an option
[10:30] <Unit193> cjwatson: ubuntu-dev-tools port.
[10:31] <cjwatson> Oh, right, there were multiple referents for "in progress".
[10:31] <Unit193> Indeed.
[10:31] <cjwatson> (Note that launchpad-buildd's use of Twisted is mostly independent from Launchpad's, and upgrading versions happens in entirely different ways.)
[10:32] <Unit193> Speaking of, oh meh: https://github.com/twisted/twisted/pull/644 is still stalled.
[10:32] <cjwatson> (Though not entirely; at least the bits of launchpad-buildd that are run from the LP test suite need to work with the version in the LP tree.)
[10:32] <Unit193> That sounds fun to maintain..
[10:33] <cjwatson> Unit193: Also I think we might need to fix https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/8831 in order to be able to upgrade further than Twisted 16.5.0.
[10:34] <cjwatson> Unit193: Since https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/8079 will probably make ssh logins to codehosting and upload queues painfully slow otherwise.
[10:34] <Unit193> Ouch.
[10:35] <cjwatson> Unit193: I have a branch that mostly upgrades Launchpad itself to Twisted 16.5.0 now though; still some test failures to shake out but it's looking close.
[10:36] <Unit193> cjwatson: Well that's great then!  The specific support I'm looking for isn't there yet, but in the meantime (apart from the chance of a slowdown), I'm sure that's good in and of itself, and makes future upgrades more possible, I'd wager.
[10:37] <cjwatson> Indeed, I think we're close to being past the hideous upgrade hump.
[10:38] <cjwatson> It's still all a bit "select exactly the right set of versions that works", but ...
[10:39] <cjwatson> Since versions before 16.5.0 fail to install into LP's pip tree due to some setup.py oddities
[10:40] <Unit193> Ah, that's the catch then.  OK.
[10:41] <cjwatson> Well, I guess versions somewhere between 13.0.0 and 15.5.0.  Not exactly sure when it broke, but 16.5.0 fixed it.
[11:27] <xnox> learned a new word today "facile"
[15:35] <cyphermox> was it easy to learn?
[15:36] <cyphermox> (sorry, I couldn't help it)
[15:36] <xnox> cyphermox, i forgot it already =)
[15:36] <cyphermox> ;)
[15:37] <xnox> cyphermox, but Colin's email was interesting to read. I doubt i know how to pronounce "facile" correct or if I will ever use it myself, or remember what it means next time I encounter it (if ever)
[15:45] <cjwatson> well to be fair it has several somewhat contradictory senses.  I meant sense 4 on wiktionary
[15:50] <xnox> googling for "define facile" gave me the "ignoring the true complexities of an issue; superficial." definition, not sure which dictionaries/sources that uses.
[16:19] <cjwatson> xnox: close enough
[16:20] <cjwatson> (sometime in the last few years wiktionary got to the point where I'm happy to trust it as the dictionary of first resort, though.)
[16:36] <rharper> is there a way to resolve virtual-packages from apt?  for example, linux-image-virtual, points to a specific package ?
[16:38] <xnox> rharper, but linux-image-virtual is not a virtual package, but a real one.
[16:38] <xnox> rharper, you can use dctrl-grep to inspect provides of the packages file?
[16:40] <rharper> oh, huh
[16:41] <rharper> I guess looking for the uname release string associated with the current version in the archive
[16:41] <rharper> like 4.4.0-103-generic
[16:42]  * rharper tries dctrl-grep
[16:42] <cjwatson> (it's spelled grep-dctrl)
[16:42] <rharper> thx
[20:26] <mwhudson> doko: yes pls
[20:26] <mwhudson> doko: golang-1.9-race-detector-runtime too
[20:32] <doko> mwhudson: done
[20:36] <mwhudson> doko: ta
[20:37] <mwhudson> next step is demoting golang-1.8 i guess
[20:38] <doko> once golang-1.9 moves to the release pocket
[20:38] <mwhudson> (well immediate next step is waiting for britney)
[20:38] <mwhudson> yeah
[20:50] <mwhudson> rharper: some days i want to get business cards printed with "advanced grep-dctrl operator" on them
[20:52] <rharper> mwhudson: lol
[22:07] <jbicha> RAOF: ping
[22:08] <RAOF> jbicha: Yo!
[22:08] <RAOF> You might be wondering when I'll get to colord-gtk?
[22:09] <jbicha> yes, I didn't know if you were around or not :)
[22:09] <RAOF> Yup, I'm around.
[22:10] <RAOF> I'll stop poking around the Mir build system to get ninja working and do my colord gardening now instead :)
[22:10] <jbicha> ooh, meson is nice once someone does the work to get it working
[22:12] <jbicha> I like how it helps make SRU diffs easier to read by getting rid of the autotools noise
[22:13] <RAOF> It's still a bit annoying to set up.
[22:13] <RAOF> Particularly - colord does a two-stage indep/arch-dep build, which is not well supported in debhelper at the moment.
[22:14] <RAOF> Because meson differentiates between “initial configuration” and “change configuration”.
[22:16] <juliank> jbicha: I always very carefully rebuilt apt stable updates with the same autotools version (well, in the target release) when they used autotools. glad I don't have to. not using meson yet, though, only cmake.
[22:17] <juliank> Our build system was also directory order dependent, so if the directory entries were in a different order, the .po files were completely noisy.
[22:17] <jbicha> RAOF: yeah, a lot of complicated GNOME modules haven't been ported yet https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/GnomeGoals/MesonPorting
[22:18] <juliank> I expect apt to switch to meson within the next 2 years too
[22:18] <juliank> well, I hope.
[22:19] <juliank> CMake is ugly.
[22:30]  * RAOF wonders whether meson will be ugly when it's mature enough to support all of the complicated GNOME modules…
[22:31] <juliank> RAOF: It will become the worst build system in existence eventually
[22:32] <juliank> I don't like it using python.
[22:32] <juliank> Adds more bootstrapping steps
[22:32] <mwhudson> there is some competition there
[22:33] <juliank> It's IMO better than autosetup, where everything is written in Tcl.
[22:33] <juliank> neomutt uses that
[22:33] <juliank> as does fossil, and jimtcl
[22:33] <mwhudson> e.g. scons
[22:34] <juliank> scons must be terrible
[22:34] <juliank> I remember some projects using it, but I have not seen any recently
[22:34] <mwhudson> i haven't used meson or autosetup or even cmake much
[22:34] <mwhudson> but scons is pretty bad
[22:35] <juliank> Oh, BTW: autosetup is just an autoconf replacement, it has no equivalent to libtool and automake
[22:35] <juliank> CMake really sucks because (1) the syntax is crap and (2) you have all these Find<something>.cmake files
[22:36] <juliank> Don't use pkg-config, write your own find code ...
[22:38] <juliank> I don't understand at all why meson used if ... endif and not blocks like python. such a great chance to have readable code
[22:39] <juliank> or a ? b : c instead of b if a else c
[22:40] <juliank> That said, this is probably a terrible CMake script: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/apt/apt.git/tree/CMake/Documentation.cmake
[22:41] <juliank> It's APT's docbook / po4a support.
[22:41] <juliank> It's terrible.
[22:42] <juliank> gettext integration is not much better.


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[12:34] <mup> Bug #1943444 opened: wrong boot order lxd vm with more than one disk <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1943444>


[05:14] <RAOF> Fun bug! GNOME Shell will sometimes decide that my laptop display should be upside down. If I have “lock rotation” enabled, this won't stop it but it will prevent me from simply rotating the laptop to get it to go the right way again :)
[23:02] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, working on LP: #1867000 - I think the right behaviour is to launch g-s if that is available, and snap-store if it is not. Thoughts?
[23:03] <robert_ancell> For people who only have snap-store installed this won't make a difference. But if you've opted into g-s as well then we should probably default to using that.


[00:07] <Unit193> https://freya.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce416.html looks like we're in good shape!
[00:32] <ochosi> noice!
[00:33] <Unit193> ochosi: Anything I should look into?  I think we're pretty set no?
[00:33] <Unit193> PPA should be pretty up to date on it all too.
[00:34] <Unit193> ochosi: You offered a greybird release, I'd like it if we could have it before bookworm or Xubuntu's release, but otherwise... :)
[00:34] <ochosi> depends on how hard you want that one PR to land
[00:34] <ochosi> i'm not totally opposed, just a little reluctant and i may have to look into it myself again before being able to merge it...
[00:35] <ochosi> what's the deadline?
[00:38] <Unit193> The one that already has?  Or the one I linked?  It'd be nice, but no real pressure.  No pressure to release right now either.  Mid Jan for Debian, end of August or Sept for Xubuntu.
[00:40] <ochosi> the one you linked
[00:40] <ochosi> ok, so merging + releasing within the next 2 weeks would be fine?
[00:40] <Unit193> OK, yeah that'd be nice to have I think, it'd also make it so one doesn't have a release for one change. :P
[00:41] <Unit193> Yeah
[00:41] <ochosi> ok, cool
[00:42] <ochosi> feel free to remind me if I forget
[00:42] <ochosi> but I'll try to keep it in mind and get to it
[10:24] <bluesabre> Unit193, ochosi, it looks like Mauro has a pretty flexible schedule with some times that we might all be able to swing. If you guys want, we can all go in on the same call. He also seems open to multiple calls if we want to go individually. (Xubuntu at the Ubuntu Summit 2022 email)
[10:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: happy to try to go for one
[10:59] <ochosi> ideally during the week and happy to do late evenings so it's more feasible for you guys
[23:15] <guiverc> no eject message on reboot after 22.04.1 xubuntu install (real hardware) - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1944519
[23:16] <Unit193> FWIW, I noticed this uh..."upstream" too, then rebuilt with bullseye and saw it there.  So I wonder if plymouth itself had an issue.
[23:18] <guiverc> ack  the bug report mentions casper & plymouth; fix for 22.04 was via release notes (i think it's also hardware specific so not all users will encounter it)
[23:19] <guiverc> (i did install so I can do the auto-resize Sean had issue with; I suspect it's disk size related; & believe this will work flawlessly when I've got to it)
[23:22] <Unit193> ....I'm talking Debian bullseye vs bookworm, so could be entirely unrelated.  But interesting to see the regression in both places.
[23:23] <guiverc> ack.
[23:56] <guiverc> 22.04.1 auto-resize install is perfect btw
[23:58]  * guiverc LOVES the wallpapers you provides


[03:44] <IdleOne> Hamelin wins Gold in 1500m speed skating
[17:59] <IdleOne> Canada get another gold and bronze in women's slopestyle \m/


[07:35] <afiestas> I'm trying to add myself to http://pad.ubuntu.com/desktop-p-kubuntu-introduction but seems that openId is not working or something :/
[07:35] <afiestas> can someone do it for me?
[13:44] <jussi> ryanakca: I think theres a small issue with our kubuntu wiki theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[14:44] <ryanakca> jussi: Sorry? Apart from marginally different column widths and the MailTo macro not working on wiki.u.c, wiki.u.c and wiki.k.o look the same
[14:44] <ryanakca> Colours and logo aside ;)
[14:45] <ryanakca> (i.e. could you point out the bug pretty please)
[15:19] <mfraz74> Could someone try to use the bitmap flag screen saver and tell me what image is being used to create the flag?
[15:35] <jussi> ryanakca: argh. I didnt look at the ubuntu one, its the same bug
[15:37] <ryanakca> jussi: Is it the monospaced text going off the edge of the screen that's the issue?
[15:38] <jussi> yeah
[15:39] <ryanakca> jussi: If you want it to wrap, I think you want `sometext` (backticks), not {{{some code}}}
[15:39] <jussi> ryanakca: still, there should never be a time when the text walks off the screen like that.
[15:42] <ryanakca> jussi: I think it's part of moinmoin, not the themes, {{{foo}}} is so that code doesn't get wrapped, something that may cause issues for users who want to copy-paste code written in a whitespace sensitive language off of the wiki.
[15:43] <jussi> ryanakca: then it should do as other wiki's do I guess, put a small scrollbar under it. the way it is looks like a mistake
[15:43]  * ryanakca nods
[15:43] <ryanakca> jussi: Even with `backticks`, it's broken.
[15:43] <jussi> ryanakca: heh
[15:45]  * ryanakca would file a bug against https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website and https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-website and I'll either merge the changes in if Ubuntu gets to it first, or prod them to merge in my changes if I get to it first
[15:53] <jussi> ryanakca: Ill get to it as soon as I can - if you dont see a bug in the next day or 2, please prod.
[15:57] <ryanakca> jussi: Alright, thanks :)
[16:20] <jussi> ryanakca: you are a wiki superstar, whats the short way of linking to an internal wiki page?
[16:25] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalgebra] Philip Muškovac * 17 * debian/ (13 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[16:25] <CIA-130> * New upstream release - Move libanalitza and libanalitzagui into seperate
[16:25] <CIA-130> packages - Add symbol files for libanaliza and libanalitzagui - Add
[16:26] <yofel> someone please double check that ^ - it's a half-merge with debian so we can get the kalgebra backend in cantor back.
[16:27] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/cantor] Philip Muškovac * 12 * debian/ (changelog control) Add build-dep on kalgebra-dev and enable cantor-backend-kalgebra again
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> hmm, didn't they say that they weren't splitting until 4.8?
[16:33] <yofel> JontheEchidna: what's splitted?
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> kalgebra -> kalgebra and analitza
[16:40] <ryanakca> jussi: Many ways according to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax#Internal_Links
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, it's just the git repos that are moving around
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> looks like they'll be separate source packages in 4.8 is all
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm:  kalgebra and analitza
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> er
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm: http://i.imgur.com/eGsAs.png
[16:45] <yofel> seems fairly important...
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> looks like I still can't use kmail :(
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> wow, all of that is still sticking around on my screen...
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> agateau: is the duration of the colibri popup proportional to the amount of notifications received?
[16:47] <yofel> in my case I'm still trying to figure out how to fix the akonadi DB on my thinkpad instead of just dumping it.
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> I'd settle for just using KMail and destorying the Pillaring Tower of KNotify
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> *just using GMail
[16:48] <yofel> well, I'm *trying* to switch from thunderbird to kmail - and repeatedly failing so far
[17:40] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames] Philip Muškovac * 137 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[18:37]  * yofel trolls shadeslayer for not making kanagram depend on kdeedu-kvtml-data
[18:41] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalgebra] Philip Muškovac * 18 * debian/ (changelog control) add libncurses-dev to build-deps
[18:43]  * sheytan is working on a sound-menu mockup of which apachelogger should be happy
[18:46] <apachelogger> we'll see about that :P
[18:46] <yofel> what's the progress on dragon3 btw? ^^
[18:48] <apachelogger> prn
[18:48] <apachelogger> nigelb: I think I killed summit.ubuntu.com :(
[18:50] <apachelogger> hmm
[18:50] <apachelogger> gsoc spamz from kdes friends
[18:50] <apachelogger> -.-
[18:57] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kanagram] Philip Muškovac * 13 * debian/ (changelog control) kanagram needs to depend on kdeedu-kvtml-data
[19:02] <yofel> hm... can one upload the same version to the archive for precise and oneiric-proposed? I think not, which would mean I need to fix the oneiric packages
[19:05] <nigelb> apachelogger: No you didn't :)
[19:05] <nigelb> apachelogger: We're doing a deployment.
[19:05] <apachelogger> ah
[19:06] <apachelogger> y u make me feel responsible for deployment slowness? :P
[19:06] <nigelb> well, I made it b0rked.
[19:06] <nigelb> I made a setting change, which went wrong. Fixing in a bit.
[19:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: uhm, ~ppa1 packages go to precise please. Fixing for now
[19:39] <sheytan> apachelogger: techical question. If the sound menu will display album cover, can you put a button on it? I.e clicking a cover will pause the playback.
[19:40] <apachelogger> sheytan: yes
[19:40] <sheytan> apachelogger great than
[19:40] <yofel> bulldog98_: about kdepimlibs for oneiric: these aren't backports, but need to go to oneiric-updates - so please make sure the changelog doesn't have doubled entries in it next time
[19:41] <yofel> bulldog98_: I also fixed the version - from now please use ubuntu0.1~ppa1 for oneiric
[19:42] <yofel> my fault for writing it wrong on the wiki
[19:49] <yofel> hm, quassel in oneiric is built without webkit support
[20:08] <valorie> sorry I haven't been here much, my dad broke his hip on Thurs. and he had surgery this morning - gotta go now
[20:09] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6518/preqt.png
[20:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: icons (pause/play, next,prev) shows only when mouseOver the covers
[20:11] <sheytan> with some cool flip animations on song switch would be nice
[20:21] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/marble] Philip Muškovac * 18 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[20:35] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeaccessibility] Philip Muškovac * 119 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[20:50] <tsdgeos> Hi guys, there is a guy that reported a weird bug in kgeography https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285330 can you try to run it and see if it happens for you?
[20:51] <tsdgeos> basically seems like the mouse cursor gets all wrong in the place division mode
[20:51] <tsdgeos> works like a charm here so i want someone using ubuntu like him to see if that's "ubuntu specific"
[21:07] <sheytan> apachelogger: like it?
[21:07] <Riddell> hi all
[21:07] <Riddell> anyone at UDS?
[21:17] <yofel> tsdgeos: he's essentially seeing the county as a square like in the screenshot? Got a screenshot of how it's supposed to look like? I'm not familiar with kgeography
[21:19] <tsdgeos> yofel: see that square weird thing
[21:19] <tsdgeos> it is supposed to look like a region
[21:20] <tsdgeos> you have to do "place region in map" mode
[21:20] <tsdgeos> in left sidebar
[21:20] <tsdgeos> your cursor has to turn into a "region shape"
[21:22] <yofel> tsdgeos: looks fine here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/geo.png oneiric with 4.7.2
[21:23] <tsdgeos> yeah that's how is supposed to look
[21:23] <tsdgeos> ok, tx
[22:38] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdesdk] Philip Muškovac * 148 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[23:09] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[23:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping
[23:09] <_Groo_> calligra is ready in https://edge.launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/peppa/+packages
[23:09] <_Groo_> since yesterday
[23:12] <DarkwingUDS> I think Riddell is at the Canonical meeting here at UDS
[23:16] <_Groo_> DarkwingUDS: nice
[23:20] <DarkwingUDS> Who else is here?
[23:38] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: Want to meet before sessions to figure out a gameplan....


[08:45] <ratchanan> Hello. Has it been decided somewhere that `capnproto` will not be available in Noble armhf, or is it still possible to fix FTBFS on armhf? Apparently there's a new version on Debian which fixes the build.
[09:28] <mwhudson> ratchanan: it's getting very late but i guess it's not impossibly so
[09:43] <Skia> ratchanan: there is a sync ongoing, so should be available
[09:57] <ginggs> cgmb: "there's a Navi 22/23/24 bug from an older version..." would this be fixed by the no-change rebuilds, ot is this something else?
[10:02] <ratchanan> Skia: how does that work? Do I have to request a sync on the #ubuntu-release channel?
[10:07] <ratchanan> Skia: ok nevermind. I see capnproto mentioned by queuebot in #ubuntu-release.
[10:08] <Skia> ratchanan: I've used `requestsync` to open LP #2063194, and then got ginggs to sponsor it for me using `syncpackage`
[10:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2063194 in capnproto (Ubuntu) "Sync capnproto 1.0.1-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2063194
[10:10] <ratchanan> Skia: Oh ok. Thank you.
[10:51] <slyon> @pilot in
[14:38] <enr0n> jbicha: it's not clear to me why you re-assigned bug 2063138 to u-r-u. Could you please provide some more context on the bug?
[14:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2063138 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "upgrade from mantic to noble disables gr lanaguage" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2063138
[14:43] <jbicha> enr0n: I don't think anyone would see the bug report against the language pack. I can reply to the bug asking if it is reproducible
[14:43] <enr0n> ack, thanks
[15:25] <slyon> @pilot out
[15:34] <lvoytek> @pilot in
[17:40] <nicolasbock> Hi! Could someone have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/octavia/+bug/2058286 and gently guide it along? Thanks!
[17:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2058286 in octavia (Ubuntu Jammy) "Requesting SRU for Octavia 10.1.1" [High, Triaged]
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> nicolasbock: Not SRU team here, but I'm certain everyone is all-hands-on-deck for the LTS release right now, so unfortunately that one is probably going to be waiting. :)
[17:43] <nicolasbock> Thanks Eickmeyer . Is there a better place to reach the SRU team?
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> nicolasbock: #ubuntu-release, but you're likely to get the same answer there.
[17:43] <nicolasbock> Thanks, I'll wait until after the release :)
[19:04] <lvoytek> @pilot out
[20:06] <ahasenack> we seem to have lost `pam_lastlog.so` in bin:libpam-modules in noble
[20:06] <ahasenack> I see it in mantic
[20:06] <ahasenack> Apr 23 20:03:16 n1 login[896]: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_lastlog.so): /usr/lib/security/pam_lastlog.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:08] <dbungert> ahasenack: dropped in sid looks like, so I think this is merged behavior
[20:08] <ahasenack> did you find a changelog entry about it?
[20:08] <dbungert> looking
[20:11] <ahasenack> mantic build log has this: make[4]: Entering directory '/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/modules/pam_lastlog'
[20:11] <ahasenack> the noble one doesn't
[20:11] <textshell> lastlog works on files that are not t64 safe, even on 64bit archs. And iirc it was deprecated upstream some while ago. But the situation is a bit confusing.
[20:12] <dbungert> right, the upstream changelog entry from 2023-02-15 sounds relevant
[20:12] <ahasenack> for 1.5.3
[20:12] <ahasenack> which is what noble ships, mantic has 1.5.2
[20:13] <textshell> i think debian kept it a bit longer but stopped doing that.
[20:13] <ahasenack> the bug in noble is that the pam config files are trying to load it still
[20:13] <textshell> also maybe see https://wiki.debian.org/PamLastlog2
[20:14] <ahasenack>  /etc/pam.d/login:session    optional   pam_lastlog.so
[20:14] <ahasenack> well, at least just login is
[20:14] <ahasenack> from what I have installed
[20:16] <textshell> without lastlog2 things might regress from what ubuntu did before. I i think things are not yet very settled on how things are going to work in the future in debian. But ubuntu is on a "slightly" different timeline.
[20:16] <sudip> afaik, it has been dropped by upstream - https://github.com/linux-pam/linux-pam/commit/357a4ddbe9b4b10ebd805d2af3e32f3ead5b8816
[20:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Commit 357a4dd in linux-pam/linux-pam "pam_lastlog: deprecate it and disable by default"
[20:16] <ahasenack> I'm checking the debian src:shadow package, that's where the pam config for login comes from
[20:17] <ahasenack> they also still have it, at least in git
[20:17] <ahasenack> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/shadow/-/blob/master/debian/login.pam?ref_type=heads#L82
[20:20] <textshell> droped but there is a replacement in a lastlog2. But iirc it does not replace all the database and of course apps might expect the old files to be updated. Or users might expect commands like "last" and "who" to work. But e.g. ssh does the old format files without pam. But login doesn't.
[20:21] <textshell> Debian is far away from a release, so they don't have to hurry much to get this sorted.
[20:26] <ahasenack> I filed https://salsa.debian.org/debian/shadow/-/blob/master/debian/login.pam?ref_type=heads#L82
[20:26] <ahasenack> er
[20:27] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/2063257
[20:27] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2063257 in shadow (Ubuntu Noble) "Noble: default pam config for login tries do load non-existent pam module pam_lastlog.so" [Undecided, New]
[20:33] <sudip> fyi. https://bugs.debian.org/1068229
[20:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1068229 in login "login: remove pam_lastlog.so from config" [Normal, Open]
[20:33] <ahasenack> thx, I'll link it