[02:05] <imgbot> [03:50] <imgbot> [03:50] <imgbot> [07:49] <oSoMoN> trainguards: good morning, can I have a silo for line 66 please?
[07:50] <oSoMoN> robru, since you’re still around, did I fill correctly line 66 for webbrowser-app to be synced back to wily?
[07:52] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hey!
[07:53] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I just corrected the sync line, let's see if the syncing works
[07:53] <sil2100> Could you build silo 14?
[07:53] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks, will build it now
[08:07] <oSoMoN> sil2100, the copy seems to have gone ok (https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-014-1-build/188/console), but the PPA doesn’t contain anything…
[08:12] <sil2100> WTH
[08:13] <sil2100> Ah, bummer
[08:15] <sil2100> oSoMoN: so one reason why there's nothing in the PPA is that the same silo was used to build the original version of the package... but I think that we can't use the current sync functionality for this
[08:15] <sil2100> Let me upload the package there manually
[08:16] <sil2100> oSoMoN: the thing is, the sync code only changes the version number between ubuntu and ubuntu-rtm, here it just sticks with the old version
[08:16] <sil2100> Which is bad
[08:17] <oSoMoN> okay
[08:18] <oSoMoN> sil2100, any estimate on when a working sync functionality will be available? I would hate to have to do two landings for each MR (with two branches every time), and I would equally hate to have to bother you or others to do manual syncs
[08:19] <sil2100> I think quickly modifying the sync functionality to work for our case should be a quick change
[08:20] <oSoMoN> good
[09:23] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, is now a good time to push the krillin rtm tarball? davmor2 +1's it
[09:24] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: hey! Yes, I guess it's fine :)
[09:24] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, button pushed. tarball pushed :-)
[09:25] <tsdgeos> cihelp: any idea what's up with http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8
[09:25] <tsdgeos> don't really understand what https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-boottest-unity8/lastBuild/ means
[09:25] <tsdgeos> says vivid/universe but also says wily-boottest
[09:32] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: thanks o/
[09:51] <psivaa> tsdgeos: that appears to be a temporary glitch, afais it's the host being unable to ssh to the testbed, the next run was OK, it should pass now in the excuses
[09:52] <tsdgeos> psivaa: cool, so no action needed from our side, cool :)
[10:27] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can I publish silo 14 (wily) myself, or do I need to poke you for that?
[10:27] <sil2100> A trainguard needs to do it, let me publish then
[10:31] <oSoMoN> sil2100, thanks!
[10:57]  * sil2100 off to slowly prepare lunch
[11:43] <davmor2> sil2100, john-mcaleely: vivid tarball tested and passes
[11:44] <davmor2> sil2100: technically it fails but it fails in the same way as the none tarballed version so it passes really :)
[11:49] <sil2100> uh
[11:49] <sil2100> ;p
[11:49] <sil2100> That's good I guess..?
[11:54] <cwayne> sil2100, question: would updating a click in the store simply to match the version that's in custom require qa signoff?
[11:54] <davmor2> sil2100: msm is broken because 3g is broken and a video recorded from the camera won't playback :)
[11:54] <davmor2> mms even
[11:58] <john-mcaleely> the video playback issue davmor2 ?
[11:58] <john-mcaleely> anyway, sil2100 is now a good time to push it?
[12:08] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: yeah, no plans from our side :)
[12:09] <sil2100> cwayne: hm, normally I'd say it doesn't require
[12:11] <sil2100> cwayne: but let's ask davmor2 for opinion
[12:11] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, pushed
[12:18] <sil2100> \o/
[12:45] <pmcgowan> sil2100, why do I see a new rtm proposed image this morning
[12:46] <popey> pmcgowan: looks like cron job?
[12:46] <popey> 03:05 < imgbot> [12:48] <pmcgowan> popey, why is it 60MB
[12:49] <popey> dunno, last four changes files are blank http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/
[12:49] <davmor2> pmcgowan: new tarball maybe
[12:49] <pmcgowan> which we didnt intend to push to krillin
[12:54] <sil2100> pmcgowan: tarball upload :)
[12:54] <sil2100> Ah, for krillin too?
[12:55] <sil2100> hm, new custom?
[12:55] <sil2100> Ah, nvm
[12:55] <pmcgowan> point is we shouldn't see any updates
[12:55] <sil2100> Yeah, it seems there's a new device tarball in the krillin channel as well
[12:55] <sil2100> john-mcaleely: ^ ?
[12:56] <sil2100> Ah, wait, I think john-mcaleely pushed for both, but we don't intend to copy the krillin one
[12:56] <sil2100> But I guess they want to keep both devices in sync in -proposed
[12:57] <john-mcaleely> yeah, proposed krillin image to have the current codebase available
[12:58]  * sil2100 needs to jump out to the vet now
[12:58] <sil2100> Let me switch to my shell, brb
[13:18] <alex-abreu> trainguards can you reconfigure silo 32
[13:41] <kenvandine> trainguards: i appear to have angered the train with silo 20
[13:41] <kenvandine> ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts is hanging up promotion of settings in wily, so i tried to do a sync from wily-proposed... which didn't work of course, and now it doesn't let me fix the job
[13:47] <mpt> Hi, when I try to “citrain device-upgrade 36” I just get a “usage:…” spiel telling me that the silo number must be from “1..20”. How can I fix this? (I’m using phablet-tools 1.1+14.10.20141002-0ubuntu1 on Ubuntu 14.04.)
[13:47] <jgdx> cihelp: ^
[13:47] <Ursinha> trainguards, ^
[13:48] <jgdx> right :s
[13:51] <kenvandine> mpt, missing the password
[13:51] <kenvandine> citrain device-upgrade SILO PASSWORD DISTRO
[13:51] <kenvandine> citrain device-upgrade 36 0000 ubuntu
[13:51] <kenvandine> for example
[13:51] <kenvandine> oh... 1..20?
[13:51] <kenvandine> maybe there's multiple issues :)
[13:52] <mpt> Why … why … why didn‘t I notice that
[13:52] <mpt> It’s because I noticed the problem with the last line of the output, and didn’t examine further
[13:53] <mpt> Anyway…
[13:53] <mpt> Command '"SUDO_ASKPASS=/tmp/sudo_askpass.wgdf sudo -A apt-get update -qq ; echo ADB_RC=\$?"' returned non-zero exit status 100
[13:53] <mpt> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-armhf/Packages  404  Not Found
[13:53] <kenvandine> oh... you're on the werewolf!
[13:53]  * mpt goes to report a bug on the out-of-date usage instructions in the meantime
[13:53] <mpt> No, I’m on 14.04
[13:53] <kenvandine> the device
[13:54] <kenvandine> it added the silo ppa as wily
[13:54] <mpt> yes
[13:54] <kenvandine> not vivid
[13:54] <kenvandine> and we don't have wily packages built in that ppa
[13:54] <mpt> aha
[13:55] <mpt> So “ubuntu-device-flash touch --bootstrap --channel ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en” is not, currently, a good idea?
[13:56] <jgdx> mpt, did you remove the broken ppa on the device?
[13:56] <kenvandine> mpt, right now it's not
[13:56] <mpt> jgdx, it doesn’t matter now if I have to reflash it with vivid, right?
[13:56] <kenvandine> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/krillin.en
[13:56] <kenvandine> i think
[13:57] <kenvandine> devel-proposed just changed to wily
[13:57] <jgdx> mpt, okk. But great that you found a solution!
[13:57] <mpt> jgdx, whoa there, let’s not jump to conclusions ;-)
[13:58] <kenvandine> jgdx, multiple issues... including the switch to wily  for devel-proposed :)
[13:58] <mpt> Channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/krillin.en not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com
[13:59] <mpt> See, jgdx, told you ;-)
[14:00] <kenvandine> mpt, i might not have had that channel exactly right
[14:01] <Guest98059> there is a ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[14:01] <kenvandine> mpt, it might be ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[14:01]  * kenvandine looks for the email
[14:01] <mpt> Ok, that’s downloading stuff
[14:01] <pmcgowan> lets see what
[14:02] <mpt> A “version 3”
[14:07] <pmcgowan> mpt, you may need to wait, that channel seems busted
[14:07] <mpt> pmcgowan, it downloaded three files without error. It said “Failed to enter Recovery”, but it always says that.
[14:08] <mpt> (Where by “always” I mean “every time I’ve tried it today”)
[14:08] <pmcgowan> mpt, the contents are not correct, its a mix of vivid and rtm
[14:08] <pmcgowan> we need another build
[14:08] <mpt> ok
[14:10] <ogra_> imgbot, status 197 vivid
[14:10] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2015-05-14 02:03:12 UTC, Finished: 2015-05-14 02:58:18 UTC
[14:10] <imgbot> Build URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-touch/+build/26784
[14:10] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/vivid/197.changes
[14:10] <ogra_> great ...
[14:11] <ogra_> vivid changelogs moved to a subdir ... (havent copied them all yet, but all new ones will be created there)
[14:22] <pmcgowan> ogra_, so our channels seem to be very conflated right now
[14:22] <pmcgowan> hoping sil2100  shows up to start fixing them
[14:23] <ogra_> pmcgowan, right, i dont know yet what to do with wily changelogs or even where exactly point the bot to on system-image.u.c
[14:24] <kenvandine> Mirv, i see you had kicked some of the adt jobs, any idea what's up with ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts failing in wily-proposed?
[14:24] <pmcgowan> ogra_, we have no valid vivid channel currently
[14:24] <ogra_> well, devel-proposed still points to vivid i think
[14:24] <pmcgowan> nopes
[14:24] <ogra_> oh
[14:24] <pmcgowan> wily it seems
[14:24] <kenvandine> ogra_, apparently not
[14:25] <pmcgowan> but the rc-proposed has wrong tarballs
[14:25] <kenvandine> arale yes
[14:25] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, ?
[14:25] <kenvandine> arale changed channels from vivid-proposed to devel-proposed
[14:25] <kenvandine> which is still vivid
[14:25] <kenvandine> but i think they did the channel rename first
[14:26] <kenvandine> i suspect that'll get switched to wily too
[14:26] <kenvandine> but they renamed the channel yesterday
[14:26] <kenvandine> i think
[14:26] <ogra_> it pulls the rootfs tarball from the devel-proposed channel i think
[14:26] <kenvandine> so it requires a manual channel switch or just edit the channels.ini
[14:27] <ogra_> kenvandine, oh, btw, why cant i open any urls anymore on my vivid phone ... looks like url-dispatcher appends some junk now ...
[14:27] <kenvandine> ugh
[14:27] <kenvandine> tedg`, ^^
[14:28] <tedg`> ?
[14:28] <kenvandine> tedg`, are you still trying to pass url-dispatcher to me?  people keep pinging me about it :)
[14:28] <ogra_> i see something like "&uct=1427058370" appended to every url in the browser
[14:29] <tedg> kenvandine, Ha, sorry, I'll tell you sometime :-)
[14:29] <tedg> Hmm, I don't think that's URL dispatcher…
[14:29] <ogra_> well, doesnt happen on rtm with the same app
[14:30] <tedg> Can you grab a dbus log? You can see what URL gets sent.
[14:31] <dobey> cihelp: can we get a re-build for the jenkins MP testing for https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/unity-scope-click/refunds-previews/+merge/257444 ? the build should happen on wily, but i think maybe i filled the form slightly wrong when trying to start the build myself or something, because it seems to be failing to create a valid recipe file
[14:32] <ogra_> tedg, bah, it is actually a bug in the app ...
[14:33] <ogra_> (it hands the wrong thing to Qt.openUrlExternally() ... )
[14:34] <tedg> ogra_, Ah, cool.
[14:44] <alecu> dobey: thanks for handling that.
[14:45] <dobey> sure
[14:48] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: $ ubuntu-device-flash query --device="mako" --list-channels
[14:48] <rsalveti> ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed (alias to ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed)
[14:49] <rsalveti> sil2100: are you currently fixing that? ^
[14:49] <rsalveti> broke boot testing for proposed-migration
[14:50] <rsalveti> do we actually have any wily image?
[14:50] <rsalveti> we have the rootfs, but not sure if imported at system-image
[14:50] <ogra_> yes, it is
[14:50] <ogra_> oh, wily ... no, not yet afaik
[14:51] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, yeah the channels are all borked
[14:51] <pmcgowan> I think its a holiday or something
[14:51] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: who is fixing that?
[14:51] <pmcgowan> cant find anyone to do it
[14:51] <ogra_> sil2100 ... once he is back from the vet i guess
[14:51] <rsalveti> would guess sil2100 / slangasek
[14:51] <pmcgowan> slangasek, not here yet
[14:54] <ogra_> well, you will need to fix capomastor at the very same time too
[14:54] <ogra_> ...
[14:55] <rsalveti> that as well, yeah
[14:56] <rsalveti> and they just renamed the channels
[14:56] <rsalveti> and fix the krillin en->es issue as well
[14:56] <rsalveti> all sorts of issues
[15:03] <alex-abreu> trainguards can you reconfigure silo 32
[15:13] <robru> alex-abreu: bah, train won't let me reconfigure from vivid->wily, will free & reassign
[15:14] <alex-abreu> robru, thx
[15:15] <robru> alex-abreu: you're welcome, silo 26 now
[15:15] <davmor2> ogra_, rsalveti: current krillin image has a wily rootfs
[15:21] <rsalveti> davmor2: haha, who knows why
[15:26] <sil2100> Back :|
[15:26] <sil2100> Took a while
[15:27] <sil2100> What's up with channels?
[15:28] <rsalveti> sil2100: all br0ken :-)
[15:28] <sil2100> Defnie that please ;p
[15:29] <rsalveti> sil2100: no wily channel, devel-proposed still pointing out to vivid (breaking proposed-migration boot testing)
[15:29] <rsalveti> sil2100: and it seems ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en got a wily rootfs, not sure how
[15:29] <rsalveti> besides the krillin.en->krillin.es issue that slangasek is already working on a fix
[15:30] <sil2100> hm, ok, none of these seem to be related to my recent changes at least
[15:31] <sil2100> Well, I switched vivid-proposed to use vivid a few days ago, but that shouldn't be related
[15:31] <sil2100> Although devel-proposed was an alias to vivid-proposed
[15:31] <rsalveti> right
[15:31] <rsalveti> guess we first need to create wily channels
[15:31] <rsalveti> and then sort out the aliases
[15:32] <rsalveti> we had so many emails with suggestions and so on that I don't know anymore what is the desired layout
[15:33] <ogra_> well, as i understood slangasek he doesnt want a wily channel
[15:33] <ogra_> but to import directly inot devel-proposed
[15:33] <ogra_> *into
[15:33] <ogra_> and vivid would become stable-proposed or some such
[15:34] <ogra_> in any case please tell me about the final outcome so i can adjust the bot and changelog creation tools
[15:36] <ogra_> sil2100, oh, and publich holiday here, i wont be at the meeting ...
[15:39] <rvr> boiko: Silo 24 approved.
[15:39] <kenvandine> is anyone looking into the autopilot failures blocking promotion from wily-proposed to wily?
[15:40] <kenvandine> specifically ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts, which is also blocking system-settings
[15:40] <kenvandine> looks like it should be affecting more
[15:40] <kenvandine> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sbin/initctl'
[15:40] <kenvandine> from autopilot
[15:42] <kenvandine> trainguards: ^^
[15:42] <robru> kenvandine: hm?
[15:43] <kenvandine> that test has been failing all week
[15:43] <kenvandine> keeping packages stuck in proposed
[15:43] <ogra_> kenvandine, i think you wanted cihelp :)
[15:43] <kenvandine> maybe :)
[15:43] <kenvandine> but this isn't CI, it's really landing right?
[15:43] <ogra_> is it ?
[15:44] <Ursinha> kenvandine: landing == citrain, proposed-migration is after that
[15:44] <robru> kenvandine: train-guards have nothing to do with proposed migration.
[15:44] <rvr> Can someone review this merge proposal? Silo is blocked because nobody reviewed and approved it https://code.launchpad.net/~jhodapp/media-hub/fix-1451816/+merge/258805
[15:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, don't mind not having a dedicated channel for it, as long we have one :-)
[15:45] <kenvandine> Mirv had been kicking the build, i guess i'll bug someone else then :)
[15:45] <kenvandine> it looks like any of our packages that run autopilot tests as autopkgtests are going to be broken in wily
[15:46] <kenvandine> holding up all our landings :/
[15:46] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah, same here ... i might even have misunderstood slangasek ... as long as i know the final setup for the tools to point to i'm fine though :)
[15:46] <fginther> kenvandine, you are referring to this? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/lastBuild/
[15:46] <kenvandine> yes
[15:46] <jhodapp> rsalveti, I know I asked you to do the review on that MR that rvr mentioned above, do you have time or should I get someone else?
[15:46] <fginther> Ursinha, this is proposed-migration
[15:47] <Ursinha> fginther: I know
[15:47] <kenvandine> fginther, looks like that should effect quite a few of our packages
[15:47] <ogra_> kenvandine, a few, yeah http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[15:47] <kenvandine> yup... i was looking at that
[15:47] <fginther> Ursinha, sorry, I misread your last msg
[15:48] <kenvandine> makes me wonder if autopilot or uitk is broken on wily?
[15:48] <Ursinha> kenvandine: I'm aware of the QA team working on sorting out autopilot issues, hi elopio :)
[15:49] <elopio> sorry, what?
[15:49] <kenvandine> http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/wily-adt-ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/12/console
[15:49] <kenvandine> elopio, is autopilot working on wily?
[15:49] <Ursinha> kenvandine: we are working on sorting the boottesting issues, the autopilot issues it's better talk to the QA team directly I'd think
[15:50] <kenvandine> it's blocking my wily landing, which is blocking me syncing to vivid overlay ppa :/
[15:51] <elopio> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sbin/initctl'
[15:51] <kenvandine> elopio, i'm trying to land those autopilot fixes in settings :)  bug the failing autopkgtests for uss-uo is blocking the proposed migration :(
[15:51] <kenvandine> s/bug/but/
[15:51] <elopio> why wily wouldn't have /sbin/initcl ?
[15:51] <ogra_> why would it ?
[15:52] <ogra_> systemd doesnt use it ;)
[15:52] <fginther> Ursinha, kenvandine, this may actually be the ubuntu-ui-toolkit, it's the one referencing /sbin/initctl: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntuuitoolkit/environment.py
[15:52] <fginther> elopio, systemd instead of upstart
[15:52] <elopio> ok, that's a big change.
[15:52] <fginther> oh, ogra_ beat me to it
[15:52] <ogra_> :)
[15:52] <elopio> the unity scripts use it, and the toolkit scripts do.
[15:52] <kenvandine> right
[15:53] <kenvandine> which is going to break everything
[15:53] <elopio> *everything*
[15:53] <ogra_> which was one reason to not have wily phone images ;)
[15:53] <Ursinha> so everything is actually broken
[15:53] <kenvandine> robru, i screwed up silo 20.... asked for help earlier but nobody was around
[15:53] <kenvandine> i tried to sync from wily-proposed :)
[15:53] <kenvandine> now it doesn't let me reconfigure it back
[15:54] <kenvandine> Ursinha, right.... so we are going to have a ton of proposed migration issues
[15:54] <rsalveti> jhodapp: I partially tested it, will finish today
[15:54] <rsalveti> sorry for the delay
[15:54] <jhodapp> rsalveti, awesome thanks! rvr^
[15:54] <Ursinha> slangasek: sil2100, we have to do something urgent :) communication is all mixed up and now no one knows where to land things for what and why
[15:54] <elopio> so, any pointers at how systemd handles env vars?
[15:54] <jhodapp> rsalveti, np man, I know you're very busy atm
[15:55] <ogra_> elopio, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers ?
[15:55] <rsalveti> ogra_: did we already switch to systemd at wily?
[15:55] <rsalveti> for touch?
[15:55] <elopio> ogra_: thanks.
[15:55] <ogra_> rsalveti, nope ... but not sure how touch plays into proposed migration here
[15:55] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, proposed-migration just needs a wily image
[15:55] <ogra_> rsalveti, i rather think it isnt involved, is it ?
[15:56] <ogra_> yeah
[15:56] <rsalveti> that's the main issue atm
[15:56] <elopio> bzoltan: you around? Can we do a quick toolkit release for wily after I add a check for systemd?
[15:56] <elopio> I doubt the part of /quick toolkit release/.
[15:56] <ogra_> huh ?
[15:57] <ogra_> that should be empty since ages
[15:57] <robru> ogra_: ugh, race condition, should be fine to try that again...
[15:57] <ogra_> robru, that was thrown out weeks ago :)
[15:57] <robru> ogra_: well nobody freed the silo, it's been sitting htere dirty
[15:57] <ogra_> oh ?
[15:58] <robru> ogra_: ppa even still has your packages in it
[15:58] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure i saw the bot tell me it is empty after either rsalveti or sil2100 cleaned it
[15:58] <ogra_> weird
[15:58] <ogra_> probably i'm mixing it up with another sillo
[15:58] <robru> ogra_: I can free it if you no longer want it then
[15:58] <rsalveti> maybe it got created again after the ss issues we had
[15:58] <ogra_> yeah, throw it out
[15:58] <rsalveti> who knows
[15:58] <ogra_> yeah
[15:59] <robru> rsalveti: nope, because it had ogra_'s manual uploads in the PPA. that's not something we'd accidentally recreate.
[15:59] <kenvandine> trainguards, do i need QA verification for autopilot fixes only?
[16:00] <robru> kenvandine: I guess not? definitely not for wily
[16:00] <kenvandine> for vivid?
[16:00] <kenvandine> QA did a review of the branch
[16:00] <robru> kenvandine: ehhh. officially all vivid landings would require qa.
[16:00] <rsalveti> robru: then maybe we ended up cleaning another silo instead
[16:00] <kenvandine> okie dokie
[16:00] <rsalveti> haha
[16:00] <robru> kenvandine: better ask qa for an exemption ;-)
[16:01] <robru> kenvandine: also I freed 20. try again, but with 'wily' instead of 'wily-proposed'
[16:01] <kenvandine> i'd think they would be happy just seeing the results of the ci test run
[16:02] <kenvandine> robru, well i can't because of the busted uitk/autopilot in wily... blocking proposed migration
[16:02] <kenvandine> robru, so i think i'm going to land those branches for vivid instead, basically a dual landing :)
[16:02] <robru> kenvandine: ok
[16:13] <slangasek> Ursinha: why do people not know where to land things?  Didn't sil2100 already address this in his mail?
[16:15] <Ursinha> slangasek: there is confusion about what series are things based/pointing to so people can expect things to pass or fail
[16:16] <slangasek> ok, didn't I already address that in /my/ mail?
[16:17] <slangasek> sorry if this comes across poorly, but in my other ear I have QA telling me that there are bugs in the actual configuration of the channel vis-a-vis what's supposed to be there, so I'm urgently working on fixing /that/
[16:17] <Ursinha> slangasek: I'm not saying you haven't done that, but there is still confusion and I'm not sure why, maybe it needs more clarification
[16:18] <Ursinha> slangasek: sure, most urgent things first :)
[16:19] <slangasek> cwayne: hi, can you confirm that this is the correct url that we should use for the custom tarball on the ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en channel, now that this channel is updated to point to vivid? http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cambridge/job/BQ Tarball Vivid - Gated/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/custom.tar.xz
[16:19] <slangasek> (as opposed to the previous URL, http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/cambridge/job/BQ International Tarball - Gated/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/custom.tar.xz)
[16:21] <bzoltan> elopio: sure we can, it can be as quick as normally ... full testing :) ~16 hours
[16:21] <bzoltan> elopio:  sorry for the reaction time ... today was holiday in most European countries
[16:22] <elopio> bzoltan: that's what I thought :)
[16:22] <elopio> ok, I'll get running to see if we can get it released tomorrow.
[16:22] <bzoltan> elopio:  btw, how is your travel arrangements?
[16:22] <elopio> I'll look for teammates to help testing.
[16:23] <elopio> bzoltan: I have updated the details in the spreadsheet already.
[16:23] <bzoltan> elopio:  OK
[16:23] <bzoltan> elopio:  we had massive fights to push the version separation refactoring to the staging...
[16:23] <bzoltan> elopio:  I have tested pretty much all apps and run all the AP tests and have not seen any problems
[16:24] <bzoltan> elopio:  so in my view the staging is good to go
[16:24] <bzoltan> elopio:  but tomorrow I will kick off a real testing ... I donot start it today because my wife would simple kill me
[16:24] <cwayne> slangasek, confirmed.
[16:24] <slangasek> cwayne: great, thanks
[16:24] <slangasek> cwayne: should I expect a different url for wily, or will we continue to use the vivid tarballs for now?
[16:25] <boiko> rvr: great! thanks a lot!
[16:25] <elopio> bzoltan: of course. Tomorrow is good. I'll make the smallest change possible, with tests to make sure I do not disturb anything existing.
[16:25] <cwayne> slangasek, *eventually* i assume there will be a wily one, but not quite yet
[16:25] <slangasek> cwayne: check
[16:26] <bzoltan> elopio:  and of course the Jenkins tests are acting up ... crap it is
[16:37] <robru> bfiller: need MPs, not branches
[16:38] <bfiller> robru: crap, let me fix
[16:40] <bfiller> robru: fixed
[16:45] <robru> bfiller: ok, silo 20
[16:52] <cyphermox> cihelp: could someone please take a look at the mark-pending-current job? It seems it hasn't been able to complete its task for a little while
[16:55] <plars> cyphermox: looks like it could be some firewall issue, I'll check it out
[16:58] <psivaa> plars: cyphermox if this is related to desktop, then we have a failure in the desktop default tests,
[16:58] <cyphermox> there are two things, yes
[16:58] <cyphermox> there is possibly an issue with the desktop tests, but there is also a firewall issue
[16:58] <plars> psivaa: right, but even when it's supposed to mark the images current it can't: see http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/mark-pending-current/2569/console
[16:58] <plars> psivaa: I'm filing an RT for it now
[16:59] <psivaa> plars: thanks
[17:01] <cyphermox> plars: psivaa: thanks!
[17:17] <elopio> cihelp, kenvandine: would it be to bad to wait until monday for my branch with systemd support to land, to check with pitti that the fix makes sense?
[17:19] <kenvandine> i went ahead and created a landing for vivid instead
[17:19] <kenvandine> so it won't hold me up to much
[17:19] <kenvandine> elopio, but this will affect others too...
[17:19] <elopio> kenvandine: ok. Sorry about that.
[17:19] <kenvandine> np
[17:19] <elopio> yes, I'll make the branch now.
[17:19] <kenvandine> it was bound to happen :)
[17:19] <kenvandine> well, i was sure the switch to wily wouldn't be smooth :)
[17:19] <elopio> but without somebody who knows about systemd, I'm afraid of making something stupid.
[17:20] <kenvandine> elopio, understood
[17:20] <elopio> for example, I have no idea what happens with the --global flag when setting variables.
[17:21] <kenvandine> ogra_, do you know enough about systemd to review elopio's branch?
[17:28] <dobey> hmm
[18:13] <slangasek> ok; is there anybody about who has a phone provisioned with ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed who could help me with a test?  maybe rsalveti or davmor2?
[18:16] <rsalveti> slangasek: can flash one, give me a minute
[18:20] <om26er> plars, Hi!
[18:20] <om26er> plars, where can I see smoke testing results for arale ?
[18:21] <plars> om26er: you can't yet, hopefully soon - we just got access to the system-image server, and there was the channel name change, and some other issues blocking it. Also when we have results, they won't look sensible because there's some bug with autopilot and also the version string is wrong still
[18:21] <plars> om26er: I hope to have *something* visible today though
[18:21] <om26er> plars, thanks, looking forward
[18:30] <rsalveti> slangasek: alright, what do you need?
[18:30] <rsalveti> current build number: 197
[18:30] <rsalveti> device name: mako
[18:30] <rsalveti> channel: ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed
[18:30] <rsalveti> alias: ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed
[18:35] <slangasek> rsalveti: ok - I'm still waiting for the importer to run, but hopefully I'll be switching you painlessly to ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu without a full update
[18:37] <jhodapp> robru, om26er why did https://code.launchpad.net/~jhodapp/qtubuntu-media/fix-1438115 get published?
[18:38] <jhodapp> I'm still working on the fix :)
[18:38] <om26er> jhodapp, ouch, a new card appeared there, I was able to verify the fix as well
[18:39] <jhodapp> om26er, yeah it was mostly fixed but certain albums still caused the right timing to break it on Arale
[18:39] <jhodapp> om26er, it's fine...what is there is an improvement for sure...I'll do another MR and silo for the last fix
[18:40] <om26er> jhodapp, ok, makes sense.
[18:40] <jhodapp> om26er, no big deal, just wanted to see what happened...surprised me to get an email saying it was merged :)
[18:58] <slangasek> rsalveti: ok, could you please try a system-image update from the commandline and see what happens?  (probably nothing, no new images available yet)
[18:59] <rsalveti> [systemimage] May 14 18:59:37 2015 (4446) Already up-to-date
[18:59] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:59] <rsalveti> slangasek: ^
[19:01] <slangasek> rsalveti: ok, keen
[19:02] <slangasek> rsalveti: now let me see what happens if we put a new image onto that channel.  Can you keep this device as-is for an hour or two while I do this?
[19:03] <rsalveti> slangasek: yup
[19:29] <robru> jhodapp: yeah i hit publish because QA said it was good. Not sure who submitted it to qa though
[19:36] <jhodapp> robru, ok thanks
[19:46] <slangasek> rsalveti: ok, check again please?
[19:48] <rsalveti> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11135337/ seems to be all good
[19:49] <slangasek> rsalveti: and your channel.ini after update?
[19:50] <rsalveti> slangasek:
[19:50] <rsalveti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11135352/
[19:50] <slangasek>  rsalveti groovy, thanks!
[19:51] <rsalveti> np
[21:51] <jhodapp> robru, can I please get a silo for line 68?
[21:52] <jhodapp> robru, also, I want it synced to wily as well...anything I need to do manually?
[22:22] <robru> jhodapp: sorry for the delay, my IRC client isn't pinging me today for some reason
[22:22] <robru> jhodapp: so I guess the policy that everybody agreed on is that you have to land to wily first and then sync back to vivid, overlay ppa is the new RTM.


[12:23] <snap-l> New case is in. It's sharp
[12:24] <snap-l> and by sharp, I mean it's going to cut me at some point during this build
[12:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmm sounds orgazmic
[12:24] <snap-l> haven't had a case like that in a while.
[12:49] <brousch> fun times with the subaru
[12:58] <rick_h> brousch: yea?
[12:58] <brousch> transmission issues
[12:58] <brousch> looks like a common problem on this era of subaru
[12:59] <brousch> it hit 123456 miles last night!
[13:01] <brousch> but it has trouble shifting into drive
[13:01] <rick_h> yuck
[13:03] <mydogsnameisrudy> change the filter and oil lately?
[13:15] <brousch> mydogsnameisrudy: it has regular maintenance from a mechanic
[13:16] <rick_h> brousch: what year is it? I took my last one to 180k <3
[13:16] <brousch> i found a forum with many others having this exact same problem, but the only solutions are transmission flush and filter (gives you 6 months of usage) or transmission rebuild
[13:16] <brousch> 2000 forester
[13:16] <rick_h> ah, outback for life!
[13:17] <rick_h> brousch: yea, I've heard of some of that from the early 2k models
[13:17] <brousch> i liked the outback better, but this is the wife's car so she had final say
[13:17] <rick_h> when I got my 99 I test drove both and the forrester feels roomier, but the outback is more solid/quiet
[13:17] <brousch> we got it in 2003 with 19k miles, so it's had a good run
[13:18] <rick_h> yea, nice thing is that fix the tranny and it's still got another good life in it
[13:20] <brousch> tranny fix is $2000+, car is worth $3000
[13:20] <brousch> $3000 if it's working ;)
[13:21] <brousch> also we've put a grand into it in the last 6 months with the first time this happened, broken shift cable, and burst radiator, so it's not feeling like something that will last will another 50k miles
[13:24] <rick_h> brousch: ugh, sucky
[13:47] <snap-l> brousch: Sorry to hear that.
[14:09] <Wolfger> brousch: Which gear is "drive"? 1st? 5th?
[14:09] <Wolfger> 1st gets me going, but 5th is what I spend most of my time in...
[14:09] <brousch> 1st
[14:09] <brousch> automatic
[14:09] <Wolfger> But I generally find that any one gear is skipable.
[14:10] <Wolfger> Well there's your problem! :-)
[14:10] <rick_h> hard to skip 5th
[14:10] <brousch> but trying to go using 1,2 or 3 has the same result
[14:10] <Wolfger> bah
[14:11] <Wolfger> rick_h: I can skip (forgo) 5th if need be, but MPG would suffer
[14:12] <rick_h> skip != forgo :P
[14:12] <brousch> real cars have 7 forward gears
[14:12] <Wolfger> but skip =~ forgo
[14:12] <brousch> you wimps and your 5
[14:13] <Wolfger> real drivers shift their own gears, not leave it to the whims of a mechanical device
[14:13] <rick_h> yea, <3 my stick
[14:13] <brousch> yeah, i kind of miss that
[14:13] <rick_h> but it does suck that it's hard to get the nice upgrades since sticks are usually saved for the lower end builds
[14:13] <brousch> but then i spend 75% of my time on city streets with stop lights and signs every 1/2 mile
[14:15] <Wolfger> at any rate, sorry to hear about your costly repairs :-(
[14:16] <Wolfger> FWIW, my Jeep is approaching the quarter-million mark on the odometer, no major issues other than the radiator rusting out last year.
[14:16] <brousch> yeah, jeeps last forvever
[14:17] <brousch> fall apart bit by bit from the outisde in
[14:18] <Wolfger> Yeah, I'm getting some water inside when it rains... but I don't consider that a major issue for some reason :-p
[14:18] <Wolfger> inside -> the rugs get wet, not inside -> raining on my head
[14:19] <Wolfger> I'm sure the body will rust completely away before I have powertrain issues
[15:25] <rick_h> just keep telling myself "doing this nasty hack in your code is ok...it'll let you get to fix it...it'll be ok"
[15:27] <brousch> hehe http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/stewart-michigan.png
[15:29] <_stink_> hah
[16:00] <Wolfger> brousch, snap-l: we should incorporate that into the LoCo logo
[16:01] <Wolfger> rick_h: hack code is fine... for now...
[16:01] <Wolfger> What are the odds it will ever bite you in the butt? ;-)
[16:03] <rick_h> heh, I'm proud, I've not blown up and quit yet. :)
[16:26] <Wolfger> uh-oh
[16:26] <Wolfger> trouble in Canonical paradise?
[16:27] <rick_h> let's just say that it's a compliment to my will power I've not begun a man hunt for the people that did the JS work in LP :)
[16:29] <_stink_> hah
[16:34] <Wolfger> LOL
[16:35] <rick_h> I know that they say "you don't need ruby experts, you need programming experts!" but some damn good programmers can write some HORRIBLE javascript!
[16:39] <Wolfger> It's comforting, somewhat, to know that bad code infiltrates every company to some degree. At least... comforting for as long as I don't change jobs.
[16:44] <brousch> ohman, google groups pages are much easier to use than facebook
[16:44] <brousch> switching is really easy
[16:46] <Wolfger> woot
[16:47] <Wolfger> I have really come to loathe
[16:47] <Wolfger> Facebook
[16:50] <brousch> adding manager is simple too
[17:02] <snap-l> rick_h: I did some code wrangling yesterday that made me feel like I needed some lysol afterward
[17:02] <snap-l> rick_h: Also, Javascript is not regular programming
[17:03] <snap-l> Normal programming makes some assumptions which are patently false in Javascript.
[17:03] <Blazeix> like what?
[17:03] <snap-l> scope rules
[17:04] <snap-l> Conventions for hiding or containing scope
[17:04] <snap-l> prototyping vs. OO
[17:05] <snap-l> JAvascript reminds me of C++ in many regards, because your preconceptions can get you into some deep trouble
[17:06] <Blazeix> scope i'm not so sure about. python scope is funky as well
[17:06] <snap-l> Well, in a way, yes
[17:07] <snap-l> Python's scoping is more geared towards making sure you're explicit when using globals
[17:07] <Blazeix> and variables leaking out of if/while blocks
[17:07] <snap-l> Javascript encourages global usage
[17:08] <snap-l> s/encourages/sends out invitations, and has a party whenever there's/
[17:08] <Blazeix> yeah, binding to the global object is stupid
[17:08] <Blazeix> as in a stupid language design deecision
[17:08] <snap-l> (I know it's not that bad, but it seems like every Javascript book I've read, without exception, starts off with "Here's how to avoid global scope")
[17:13] <Blazeix> i guess i'd argue that js differences aren't that large, when compared to differences between other languages
[17:13] <Blazeix> i'm bristling at "not regular programming" being used as an excuse to not learn a language
[17:13] <Blazeix> though I know that's not what you were going for :)
[17:13] <snap-l> Blazeix: Oh, no, that's not it at all
[17:14] <snap-l> More that "if you're not programming for Javascript, you'll be in for a world of hurt"
[17:14] <snap-l> If you treat C++ as C with nicer malloc, you're also in for a world of hurt
[17:15] <snap-l> Of course, that's almost true of any language, now that I think about it. ;)
[17:16]  * snap-l gets ready to restate his null hypothesis
[17:16] <snap-l> Perhaps Javascript isn't approached as a new language, but more as "web glue", and that's where it gets folks into trouble
[17:16] <snap-l> they only learn enough for their project, not to really understand it
[17:17]  * snap-l waits for _stink_ to yell at him for using the phrase "null hypothesis". ;)
[17:18] <rick_h> the thing with JS is that it's bolted on a lot of things
[17:18] <rick_h> like in Launchpad
[17:19] <rick_h> which then means as it grows, you have to unbolt it and start to make sense of it, get it under tests that didn't exist, break assumptions, functionality that was done server side since the server side code was generating hte JS code
[17:19] <rick_h> which is where I'm at, trying to wrangle years of bad practice into good practices, but as you start to do it, you break so much code that you have to go back, implement bad things before you can start to fix them
[17:20] <rick_h> maybe shell is the only thing that tend to get abused so much because you can just do quick things with it and it's not really part of hte main app
[17:20] <rick_h> so it ends up not tested, no one knows how it works, etc
[17:21] <brousch> shell scripting is a great analogue
[17:21] <brousch> it's the bash of the web
[17:22] <snap-l> brousch: rick_h ++
[17:27] <rick_h> except in JS you can start to turn that bash code into a full application now
[17:29] <brousch> i'm sure you can make a real application in bash
[17:30] <rick_h> I'm sure it's possible
[17:30] <rick_h> but not common as making a reall app in JS is becoming common
[17:31] <brousch> that's just because Google hasn't shown you how yet
[17:32] <rick_h> lol
[17:33] <Blazeix> next google blogpost "we're sunsetting this whole 'web' thing"
[17:34] <rick_h> naw, "bash for App Engine support! with a new sdk we call BwT!"

[17:44] <Wolfger> psh
[17:45]  * Wolfger wonders why he has never actually installed perl shell... it only seems natural...
[17:47] <jrwren> anyone know how I can get bash to show me readline variables, like completions-ignore-case
[17:51] <snap-l> Wolfger: Because you're not that masochistic?
[17:52] <brousch> snap-l: come on, look who you're talking about
[17:52] <brousch> there must be some other reason
[18:39] <brousch> oh no! the choo-choo train! http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/se_mich/amtrak-train-crash-in-jackson-county
[18:40] <jrwren> O_O
[19:00] <snap-l> Ugh, not cool.
[19:14] <snap-l> I love that during the recording of The Gates of Delerium by Yes, a rack of automobile parts fell during the drum take
[19:15] <snap-l> and they left it in.
[19:16] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gates_of_Delirium
[19:47] <Wolfger> snap-l: Me, not masochistic? I've been a contractor at Chrysler for nearly 11 years now.
[19:47] <Wolfger> brousch: the reason is laziness
[19:48] <snap-l> Wolfger: Heh
[19:48] <snap-l> Wolfger: Sadly I think there are contractors at Chrysler that have been there longer than most full-time folks.
[19:49] <snap-l> So dippy.
[19:49] <Wolfger> ...
[19:49] <Wolfger> I think snap-l just called me dippy.
[19:49] <snap-l> Um, no
[19:50] <snap-l> I mean Chrysler's whole hiring practices
[19:50] <Wolfger> :-)
[19:51] <Wolfger> They're actually hiring pretty decently lately
[19:52] <Wolfger> but I lack the requisite 4-year degree to continue doing what I've been doing the past 11 years if I attempt to hire in.
[19:55] <Blazeix> my boss (who codes) joined the company 4 years ago, and he doesn't have a degree. so it's still possible.
[19:55] <Blazeix> just maybe not at chrysler
[19:59] <Wolfger> Yeah, problem with big companies is that they tend to adopt arbitrary rules and adhere strictly to them.
[20:01] <Wolfger> There's a massive disconnect between the HR dept and the people who actually conduct interviews
[20:04] <jrwren> yet another reason to not work for a bug company
[20:09] <brousch> yeah, also, the bugs
[20:09] <brousch> man, they're killers
[20:10]  * krondor won't even talk about the depressing government hiring process
[20:18] <snap-l> Blazeix: Chrysler is blazingly stupid about their degree requirements
[20:18] <snap-l> krondor: One of my friends keeps sending me job reqs for the state of michigan
[20:19] <snap-l> unless they could guarantee a frat-party every single day, I think I'd want to kill myself.
[20:51] <brousch> quick and dirty logo. thoughts? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/grmobiledev-logo-400px.png
[20:56] <snap-l> INteresting start
[20:57] <brousch> i think it's all there. maybe just mess with fonts and finger thicknesses
[21:02] <krondor> hmm, I'm not sure I like the gray for the fingers instead of black
[21:03] <brousch> everything black, or gray phone, black fingers?
[21:03] <krondor> everything black I'm thinking
[21:04] <krondor> or make the colors a more obvious difference.  The gray is too similar to the black
[21:04] <brousch> they are pretty close
[21:13] <brousch> hm, a dark yellow hand works well too
[21:14] <Blazeix> what about android green?
[21:14] <Blazeix> would that be too light?
[21:49] <krondor> I'd make the four fingers shorter and fatter and more evenly spaced across the phone.  I'd make the thumb maybe come up midway to the edge of Dev
[21:50] <krondor> Fills in the logo a bit more, and play with some fonts (Ubuntu font might look nice)
[21:51] <krondor> Also I'd androidify it a bit more :)  Green Blazeix++ and get rid of that iphone circle for a home, back, switch icon
[21:51] <krondor> but that's because I'm biased
[22:00] <brousch> :P
[22:00] <brousch> the green is so glaring
[22:00] <brousch> oh crap, gotta run
[23:19] <tjagoda> Terrible suspense is terrible
[23:19] <tjagoda> I think tomorrow or Friday is when I'm supposed to hear back from Canonical


[15:01] <bdmurray> Let's skip the foundations team meeting given the product sprint
[15:02] <sil2100> +1
[15:02] <juliank> :(
[15:02] <bdmurray> sorry for the short notice
[15:02] <doko> "short"?
[15:03] <juliank> notice?
[15:03] <rbalint> negative :-)


[12:10] <tonio_> hi LaserJock
[12:14] <LaserJock> hi Tonio_
[12:14] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:15] <Tonio_> searching for settings that could/should be set on the desktop part
[09:03] <Tm_T> hi
[09:04] <Hobbsee> hey
[09:04] <Tm_T> what's up?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> looking into whether a compiler that runs thru cygwin in my computer course can run native through linux.
[09:05] <Hobbsee> i have not yet found an answer
[09:05] <Hobbsee> also trying to replace the kmenu
[09:08] <Tm_T> yup
[09:08] <Tm_T> would be great
[09:09] <Hobbsee> definetly
[09:09] <Hobbsee> suggest it to tonio lol
[09:10] <Tm_T> gah, he's not here!
[09:11] <Hobbsee> hehe i know!
[09:11] <Tm_T> ofcourse when we have some work for him, coward...
[09:11] <Tm_T> ;(
[09:12] <Tm_T> or, order those 10 to three major
[09:15] <Hobbsee> to be windows like?
[09:16] <Tm_T> windows?
[09:16] <Tm_T> I don't know how it's in windows
[09:17] <Hobbsee> most or all the apps are in all programs, and it's a painful job trying to find the one you want
[09:17] <Hobbsee> it's very nice having them all categorisied by what they actually do
[09:18] <Tm_T> true
[09:18] <Hobbsee> then again, you could easily combine system and utilities - they seem to be synonymous, to me
[09:18] <Tm_T> aye
[09:18] <Tm_T> also tools and editors... editors are tools?
[09:18] <Tm_T> etc etc
[09:18] <Hobbsee> i dont have editors and tools, but yeah
[09:19] <Tm_T> hmm, I don't have tools either
[09:19] <Tm_T> actually the way "debian" menu is ordered...
[09:22] <Tm_T> WTF!
[09:22] <Tm_T> where's "display" module from kcontrol
[09:27] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kcontrol-display-wtf.png
[09:28] <Hobbsee> yay!
[09:28] <Hobbsee> i think this worked
[09:28] <Tm_T> it was working last week
[09:28] <Tm_T> or before
[09:34] <nlindblad> I assume someone in here knows C
[09:34] <nlindblad> I want to investigate if an already declared string contains a given string
[09:35] <Tm_T> I know C is fine letter
[09:35] <Tm_T> also programming language
[09:35] <nlindblad> like, if "hejsan" contains "hej" then do something
[09:36] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: treat the string as an array, step through it and look for your pattern. if str[3] ==h, check if str[4] ==e and so on
[09:37] <nlindblad> oh
[09:38] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: there may be libraries that contains functions that do exactly what you want. glibc probably have something, or libpcre might do
[09:38] <nlindblad> okey
[09:38] <nlindblad> I'd like to achieve it without having to properly learn C
[09:38] <nlindblad> just the string part
[09:39] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: then use something like perl ;-D
[09:40] <ubijtsa2> if( "hej" =~ $string ) { do something };
[09:40] <nlindblad> I'm writing a patch for sshd
[09:40] <nlindblad> :D
[09:41] <Hobbsee> hmmm...my default kmenu setttings dont stick
[09:45] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[09:45] <Tm_T> Riddell: have you seen this? http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kcontrol-display-wtf.png
[09:45] <Tm_T> not good I think
[09:46] <Tm_T> maybe I should file a bug
[09:46] <Riddell> I've not seen that
[09:46] <Riddell> _Sime: any idea what's causing that?
[09:55] <nlindblad> ubijtsa2: http://pastebin.com/574576 could you please have a look
[09:56] <Tonio_> hello
[09:56] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[09:56] <Hobbsee> the man of the moment
[09:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hi
[09:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ? the moment ? :)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'll pastebin
[09:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: k
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: http://pastebin.com/574579
[09:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay
[09:59] <Tonio_> in fact that's not very easy cause there is no "default" K menu
[09:59] <Tonio_> it is build dynamically reading the .desktop files in several directories
[09:59] <Tonio_> including /usr/share/applications, your profiles etc....
[10:00] <Hobbsee_away> ugh right
[10:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_away: the only thing is that what is customized is in your profile
[10:00] <Tonio_> and what isn't is in /usr/share
[10:00] <Hobbsee_away> *nods*
[10:01] <Tonio_> but the only way to "switch" between menus is to have an application that allows to edit and move/rename between several kmenurc files in your profile
[10:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_away: not possible for me to do that ;)
[10:02] <Tonio_> that would need a complete developpment
[10:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_away: good news, the kate sessions problem is resolved :)
[10:02] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: looking now
[10:03] <nlindblad> :D
[10:04] <Tm_T> Tonio_: you're somekind of KDE config wizard?
[10:04] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: hmm.. I gather sscanf takes a template for its input.. (/me not too familiar with C)
[10:05] <nlindblad> ubijtsa2: it's for the ssh daemon
[10:05] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I think Riddelldoesn't like those wizzards, and I must say I agree his choice
[10:05] <Tm_T> Tonio_: errrh
[10:05] <nlindblad> ubijtsa2: I've read the RFC for the protocol and straced it and used netstat
[10:05] <Tonio_> Tm_T: talking about the possibility to config the K menu with the first boot ?
[10:05] <Tm_T> no
[10:05] <Tonio_> ho sorry, what about then ?
[10:05] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: looks good to me.. but as I said, not a pro programmer :)
[10:05] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I'm talkong about your skills and knowledge related to KDE configs
[10:05] <nlindblad> ubijtsa2: all client_version_string's are of the format SSH-X.x-client-.x.y
[10:06] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ok ;) Well I don't know much more than anyone in fact... I'm just searching problem per problem, that's all :)
[10:06] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I would like to have some way to switch between "default" kmenu (like it now) and "custom" kmenu (something that user like to see)
[10:06] <Tonio_> each problem is a file, and diff -ru .kde .kde2 IS MY FRIEND ;)
[10:07] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I understood that
[10:07] <Tonio_> that can be possible in fact, but hard to manage...
[10:07] <Tm_T> uh
[10:07] <Tonio_> the K menu is build dynamically, and you can customize it with your own .desktop files + kmenburc file
[10:07] <Tonio_> kmenurc
[10:07] <Tm_T> because I would like to reorder my kmenu hard way, but also would like to have something to fall back
[10:08] <Tonio_> the problem is to switch easilly between all those settings
[10:08] <Tm_T> heh
[10:08] <Tonio_> not an easy job to do it propper
[10:08] <Tonio_> yes, comming back to the virgin menu
[10:08] <Tm_T> problem is how to keep them both uptodate
[10:08] <Tonio_> is that what you're talking about ?
[10:08] <Tm_T> yup, sort of
[10:08] <Tonio_> hum
[10:09] <Tonio_> the default menu is always up to date, cause it soedn't exist technically
[10:09] <Tm_T> aye
[10:09] <Tonio_> it is rebuild every session
[10:09] <Tonio_> reding the desktop files
[10:09] <freeflying> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9424
[10:09] <Tonio_> all specific settings you do are in desktop files in your profile
[10:10] <Tm_T> hmm, so technically it's just disabling/enabling my tweaks
[10:10] <Tonio_> Tm_T: and if you reorder or hinde some, it is in kmenurc
[10:10] <Tm_T> ok
[10:10] <Tonio_> if you delete this file, or rename it, you will be back to the default one
[10:11] <Tonio_> ~/./share/config/kmenueditrc
[10:11] <Tonio_> here is the exact file, it isn't kmenurc, sorry ;)
[10:11] <Tm_T> ooh
[10:11] <Tm_T> does it apply "on the fly" ?
[10:12] <Tonio_> in fact the K menu is the combination of many thigs
[10:12] <Tm_T> aye
[10:12] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes, a few seconds only to apply
[10:12] <Tm_T> ah
[10:12] <Tm_T> then it's good
[10:12] <Tm_T> and yes I know it's mixture of many things but I'm talking about that application section
[10:12] <Tonio_> the K menu is the result of the readin of .desktop files in /usr/share/appliations, the equivalent in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings, that kmenueditrc, .desktop files in your profile etc.....
[10:12] <Tm_T> so you already answered to my question
[10:13] <Tonio_> it is a comomplete mess in fact
[10:13] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:13] <Tm_T> indeed
[10:13] <Tonio_> "complete"
[10:15] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:16] <Tm_T> so all of that is somewhere else
[10:17] <Tonio_> hum, isn't that the good file ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> let me check
[10:17] <seaLne> weird konq won't run for me today
[10:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ~/./.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[10:18] <Tonio_> sont parameters are there too
[10:18] <Tonio_> if you're talking about displaying or not some menus, apps etc.......;
[10:18] <Tm_T> ah
[10:18] <Tonio_> another file :) messy lol
[10:18] <Tm_T> yes and where they are displayed
[10:18] <Tonio_> yes, that's in that file in xml format
[10:19] <Tonio_> and if you modified .desktop entries, you should find them in your profile too
[10:19] <Tm_T> hmm, I wonder what happens if I move that file...
[10:20] <Tm_T> let's try! =)
[10:21] <Tonio_> suposedly you will get a full complete default K  menu
[10:21] <Tm_T> ah yes
[10:21] <Tm_T> immediately
[10:21] <Tonio_> yep
[10:21] <Tm_T> so all I need is move that file around
[10:21] <Tm_T> would be that too afwul thing to offer in systemsettings to every user?
[10:22] <Tonio_> Tm_T: no idea, I have never coded anything ;)
[10:22] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:22] <Tonio_> could be done as a guidance tool maybe
[10:23] <Tm_T> Tonio_: thank you very much, now I can modify kmenu free without worrying backups :)
[10:24] <seaLne> anyone good at looking at strace output? konq just sits forever at a read: http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/konq.txt
[10:24] <Tonio_> Tm_T: you're servant
[10:27] <_Sime> Tm_T: can you run "xset -q" and email the result to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I'll have a lot at that python exception problem.
[10:28] <Tm_T> _Sime: sure
[10:28] <Tm_T> _Sime: whatever helps :)
[10:28] <_Sime> Riddell: Hi. I see you are back at the jo. :)
[10:28] <_Sime> Tm_T: cool, thanks,
[10:30] <nlindblad> what do I need to install to get the developers version of the C-libraries?
[10:35] <ubijtsa2> glibc-dev ?
[10:36] <Tm_T> _Sime: in what situation I should run that? just now or do I need kcontrol running or...
[10:38] <_Sime> Tm_T: just from the shell in enough.
[10:43] <Tm_T> ok
[10:44] <Tm_T> _Sime: http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/temp/foo-sime.txt
[10:44] <_Sime> Tm_T: thanks
[10:45] <Hobbsee_away> Tonio_: yay @ the kate sessions!
[10:54] <seaLne> hmm ok kmail, kopete and amarok aren't working either
[10:55] <seaLne> i wonder what broke over the weekend on my machine
[10:56] <Hobbsee> seaLne: try the old kernel maybe?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> not working as in freezing or what?
[10:57] <seaLne> kernel hasn't changed recently
[10:57] <seaLne> http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/konq.txt konq just sits trying to read never displaying anything
[10:57] <Hobbsee> i meant to 2.6.15-16-blah
[10:57] <seaLne> 2.6.15-15-k7
[10:58] <seaLne> this morning i dist-upgraded and restarted X
[10:58] <Tm_T> _Sime: else I can do?
[11:00] <seaLne> Hobbsee: any idea if anything much changed in the kernel between -15 and -16? can't see that would stop stuff working after it had been fine all last week
[11:02] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i dont know, but i got major networking problems for it, machine would freeze while loading ndiswrapper, kopete would freeze randomly, etc
[11:03] <Hobbsee> i'm using -15 now
[11:03] <seaLne> i'll try a kernel upgrade and a reboot just to be sure
[11:05] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: have we thought about using crystal clear as our default kde icon scheme at all?
[11:08] <Tonio_> hum........ why not, but that needs to be duscussed ;) I like the default theme :)
[11:09] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[11:09] <Hobbsee> crystal, crystal clear, or another one, are all quite nice
[11:16] <Tm_T> oh, now my menu is sooo beautiful
[11:18] <seaLne> Hobbsee: err rebooting seems to have fixed things, but i really doubt it was the kernel..
[11:19] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it may well not have been - i just found i had problems with it
[11:20] <Tm_T> hmm, somehow this doesn't work right
[11:22] <seaLne> possibly a combination of upgrades without a reboot since early last week
[11:22] <freeflying> may I play ape format file with amarok-xine ?
[11:35] <Tm_T> oh my oh my
[11:35] <Tm_T> kmenuedit creates _ugly_ xml
[11:48] <Hobbsee> well, printing to an IPP printer *definetly* works on my dapper machine
[11:52] <Tm_T> but now it works and look good, enough for now
[11:52] <Tm_T> ...less codeine to me, don't you think?
[11:53] <Tm_T> I have very numb feeling
[11:54] <Tm_T> because of painkillers
[11:55] <Tm_T> weird though, those painkillers does mess my head but pain still exists very strong :p
[12:12] <Tonio_> guys, in the actual config, except the tab position on application and kate sessions which is actually resolved, what could/should be configured according to you ?
[12:12] <Tonio_> there are certainly improvements I'm missing
[12:27] <Riddell> raphink: did you want CDs?
[12:27] <raphink> hmm sure that can be useful Riddell :)
[12:28] <raphink> I still have some, but I spare them in the fear that I might run low on them
[12:28] <raphink> brb
[12:29] <_Sime> Tm_T: that bug is fixed in the next guidance release. (some time this week).
[12:29] <Tm_T> _Sime: jolly good, thank you :)
[12:29] <freeflying> Riddell: I've mail you my address , got it ?
[12:30] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, got yours :)
[12:30] <Riddell> trying to remember who else has asked
[12:30] <Tm_T> ah!
[12:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'll mail my postal address now =)
[12:31] <Tm_T> heh
[12:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: your email address was...
[12:32] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi !
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: kate's sessions issues is resolved
[12:32] <Tonio_> but requires a patch for kdebase
[12:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, ok
[12:34] <freeflying> Riddell: can i select language with kdm like gdm dose
[12:34] <Riddell> wonder how much that'll annoy the kate developers :)
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying: no, I don't think you can, that's something I'd like added
[12:35] <freeflying> Riddell: if that can be added ,another problems about CJK can be solved
[12:35] <freeflying> s/problems/problem
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you look at the kdm theme and add back the restart X option?
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: and while you're there see if there's a way to have a language menu? (but I suspect there isn't)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, I'l have a look
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: just sent you a mail with the patch for kate.desktop
[12:37] <Tonio_> other part of the config is in k-d-s
[12:37] <Tonio_> hum, Riddell no way for a language menu actually, need to ask to upstream
[12:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: awaiting e-mail..
[12:37] <Tm_T> sent
[12:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: suse has a bunch of patches to kdm, I wonder if it's in one of theirs.  can't remember what the branch is called though
[12:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: #ubuntu-fi is on freenode now?
[12:38] <Tonio_> -fr ?
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: apparently yes
[12:38] <Riddell> don't think Tm_T speaks French
[12:39] <Tm_T> :p
[12:39] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-fi is always been in freenode
[12:39] <Tonio_> ah, the message wasn't to me so.....
[12:39] <Riddell> oh, so why is !kubuntu-fi on some other network again?
[12:39] <Tm_T> #ubuntu.fi && !kubuntu.fi is in IRCnet
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, sorry, my fault :)
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[12:39] <Riddell> Tm_T: what is #ubuntu+1?
[12:40] <Tm_T> hm
[12:40] <Tm_T> 13:40 < ubotu> [dapper]  the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it, or use http://tinyurl.com/rtgxo for easy updates
[12:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: I only have i386 CDs
[12:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: thats fine too
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's the place where they chucked all the dapper people from #ubuntu in
[12:41] <sebas> Riddell: dot thing posted.
[12:41] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[12:41] <sebas> Some links are missing though, but the text should be OK>
[12:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:42] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: interesting that support of testers is "let's dump they all to their own channel!" ;(
[12:42] <freeflying> Riddell: u mean suse has patched kdm for language select?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: true, but the breezy people cant exactly troubleshoot dapper-specific problems, i guess
[12:43] <Tm_T> true too
[12:44] <Riddell> freeflying: it has patched kdm, I'm not sure if language select is one of their added features
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: one thing is sure, the actual kdm theme has words in images, and thought will not be translated whatever is patched
[12:46] <Tonio_> I should discuss with the developper about a multilangage functionnality in the future
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, that needs to be fixed
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's fairly easy to fix, just use the correct label in the .xml file instead of images for text
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes sure, but can a kdm theme be i18n ?
[12:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: going to join UbuntuWomen?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got no idea - might help if i look at it first
[12:50] <Riddell> always good to make sure we have a kubuntu influence everywhere :)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[12:50] <Tm_T> Riddell: skotlanti
[12:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: if that's what you were asking =)
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning that kdm option missing, did we loose it while updating the kdm theme ? cause I don't see anything relating to options to display in it......
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ok, well that redirect works :D
[12:54] <Tonio_> grmpf..... don't understand
[12:55] <Hobbsee> of course, having 8+ email accounts means it's easy to send from one to another to test...
[12:56] <Tm_T> hmm hmm!
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about gtk_qt_engine this WE, and there is a little problem with it...
[12:59] <Tonio_> by default, it is not configured on a new profile, and to activate, a user has to go in systemsettings, change and undo, then click "apply"
[01:00] <Tonio_> that is not very convenient, so I was thinking about automating the 2 config files creation by default for new profiles
[01:00] <Tonio_> thought that /etc/skel is not convenient, because k-d-s is installed after the initial profile is created
[01:01] <Tonio_> another option is an autostart script in /usr/share/autostart which would do a if -x blabla_rc then cp etc....
[01:01] <Tonio_> your opinion on this ?
[01:07] <hunger> Riddell: Missed your presentation at fosdem and the pre-fosdem event, too:-(
[01:09] <hunger> Is it possible to get more zeroconf support into KDE?
[01:09] <hunger> Like fish and sftp
[01:09] <hunger> ?
[01:09] <hunger> Those are supported by konqueror just fine, they just are not recognized by zeroconf.
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: for the "Restart X server" option in kdm, s/AllowClose=false/AllowClose=true in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[01:11] <Tonio_> nothing to do with k-d-s
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you want a patch for kdebase for this ?
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: just sent you a patch for kdmrc for this pb, tested here, works perfectly
[01:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[01:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: neither of those sound very convenient for gtk, there must be a gtk way to set default theme
[01:31] <Riddell> probably a gconf thing
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, the default theme needs to be set in .gtkrc-2.0
[01:33] <Tonio_> but how to have that create without launching a gtk app first ?
[01:33] <Tonio_> that's the reason I'm searching for a way to get that file copied from the kde starting or something.......
[01:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: there must be a way to do it outside the home directory though
[01:34] <Riddell> same as we do for kde stuff
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yes, certainly
[01:34] <Tonio_> like kubuntu-default-settings
[01:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: although we could just have a bit on startkde if ~/.gtkrc-2.0 not exist, echo 'gtk-theme-name="Qt"' > ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[01:35] <Tonio_> the problem is that gtk_qt_engine_rc is created from a standard file
[01:35] <Tonio_> s/is/isn't
[01:35] <Tonio_> it is created "from nothing"
[01:35] <Riddell> yes
[01:36] <Tonio_> that's why my idea was to provide those 2 files with k-d-s and set a little startkde script eventually
[01:36] <Riddell> yeah, we can do that, but ask some gnome people if there's a way to do it outside the home directory first
[01:37] <Tonio_> okay
[01:37] <Tonio_> last thing (sorry), I was thinking about the default size of icons in konq
[01:37] <Riddell> gtk-qt engine used to substitute gnome icons to kde icons but doesn't any more for me, feel free to investigate that one too :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> default for the desktop is 48, which is nice, but default for konq is 64, which results very big icons on a 1024*768 screen
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: wouldn't 48 be enough ?
[01:39] <Tonio_> hum, yes, works with fonts and theme but not icons....
[01:39] <Riddell> I don't find 64 too large at all
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is your resolution ?
[01:39] <Riddell> 1024
[01:39] <Tonio_> ah... :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> okay let's keep it like that so.... I was just finding 48 better for visibility anyway
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: any example for icons replacement failing (I don't use ANY gtk app) ?
[01:41] <Riddell> gnome
[01:41] <Riddell> gimp
[01:41] <Riddell> firefox too
[01:42] <Riddell> it might be a compile option for all I know
[01:43] <Tonio_> okay, I'm on this right now, and will send you a new version of k-d-s today with kate sessions configured (although a patch on .desktop is required for everything to work)
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: 	iconTheme = kdeConfigValue("Icons", "Theme", "crystal");
[02:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the problem, that parser function looks in kdeglobals and as far as I can see, the theme is set there anymore
[02:05] <Riddell> curious
[02:06] <Tonio_> yes, but that's what I understand from the sources...
[02:06] <Riddell> well we can patch gtk-qt-engine to have it on by default I guess
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can force th value, ut if a user changes the default theme, that may not use the good one....
[02:06] <Tonio_> I'm searching where is that value set now
[02:07] <Riddell> I think it's just set in the kde code, and only written to file if it's not the default
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: what we can do so is to patch the kdeglobals file in k-d-s
[02:07] <Tonio_> another way to proceed
[02:07] <Tonio_> maybe easier
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: aren't kde environnment options readable via a cpp function ? that could make it very easy to patch
[02:11] <Riddell> yes
[02:11] <Riddell> see the KConfig docs
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay........ I just hope I will understand, as my cpp knowledge is about -50
[02:12] <Tonio_> okay, so let's try to get the value reading the variables instead of parsing
[02:14] <Riddell> _Sime: do you have FOSDEM photos online?
[02:26] <viviersf> Riddell, you know expect ?
[02:27] <Riddell> viviersf: I know of it, never used it
[02:27] <viviersf> :(
[02:37] <viviersf> any1 else here know expect ????
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't find anyway to read the icontheme except what is called a "dirty hack"
[02:45] <Tonio_> so I patched to let the value to "crystalsvg" if the parsing function returns nothing
[02:45] <Tonio_> I think that's clean...
[02:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you change the icons theme it must set that somewhere
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, true
[02:45] <Tonio_> let me check
[02:46] <Riddell> although I don't know if gtk-qt-engine can use KConfig
[02:48] <Tonio_> well if it is set in kdeglobals and if the parser then works, it makes sense to force the value to crystalsvg by default if that's hardcoded on kde no ?
[02:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: the setting is indeed in kdeglobals
[02:50] <Tonio_> but is empty by default if it is crystalsvg
[02:51] <Tonio_> so my idea is to let the parsing function, and if result is empty, then force the value to "crystalsvg", are you fine with that ?
[03:06] <sebas> Riddell: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/krita_1%3a1.4.90-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:06] <sebas>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/image/x-raw.desktop', which is also in package digikam
[03:08] <Riddell> sebas: hmm yes, must get that sorted
[03:09] <sebas> Ok, 'twas just so you know :)
[03:09] <Riddell> raw.desktop needs added to KDE really, but the files are slightly different and they need merged
[03:15] <_Sime> Riddell: no, I didn't really take any photos worth fetching from the camera...
[03:16] <Riddell> _Sime: just as a warning I'm currently using a very flattering photo of you in the fosdem dot article :)
[03:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: gtk_qt patched and working
[03:17] <Tonio_> uses by default crystalsvg except if another value is set...
[03:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: just emailing you the patch
[03:49] <Riddell> toma_: ping
[03:49] <Riddell> toma_: what's the best x-raw.desktop file to use?
[03:49] <Riddell> i.e. why does digikam and krita not just use the one in kdelibs?
[03:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you receive the patches ?
[03:54] <Tonio_> cause I have problems with my smtp server today....
[03:55] <Riddell> yes, 1 for gtk and 1 for kdmrc
[03:57] <freeflying> Riddell: i found package in main FBFTS, ten what shall do for it
[03:57] <freeflying> s/ten/then
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should have another one for kate.desktop
[03:58] <Tonio_> don't you have it ?
[04:00] <freeflying> Riddell: s/FBFTS/FTBFS
[04:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh yes
[04:02] <Riddell> freeflying: fix it and send me the patch?
[04:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, cool
[04:18] <raphink> Riddell: about adept, I think there should be only one entry in the Kmenu
[04:19] <raphink> Riddell: just as it is done in gnome adept-updater could only accessed through adept-notifier, adept_installer as a systemsettings/kcontrol module, and adept in the Kmenu
[04:19] <raphink> that would make things much easier for users
[04:22] <Riddell> had not thought about kcontrol module, interesting, not sure though
[04:23] <seaLne> raphink: i'd agree about the single menu entry, i only worked out a month or so ago that the adept menu entries were different
[04:24] <raphink> seaLne: there are now 4 pieces in the adept puzzle : adept manager, adept-updater, adept-installer and adept-notifier
[04:24] <Riddell> does gnome not have a menu entry for synaptic then?  only gnome-app-install?
[04:24] <raphink> seaLne: only one should appear in the K menu: adept manager
[04:25] <raphink> Riddell: in the application menu is only the gnome-app-install
[04:25] <seaLne> yeah
[04:25] <raphink> the synaptic entry is in administration
[04:25] <raphink> adept is an advanced feature
[04:25] <raphink> adept-installer should be in systemsettings imo, since this is where people will go for an easy to set interface
[04:25] <Tonio_> I also think that actually, adept-updater and adept-notifier are not of any use in the Kmenu
[04:26] <raphink> Tonio_: that's for sure
[04:26] <raphink> it makes things as complicate with the package menu in Mandriva, with lots of entries
[04:26] <Tonio_> like on ubuntu, you are prompted when updates are available from the systray
[04:26] <raphink> that just make it hard to understand
[04:26] <Tonio_> and if you want to perform manual updates, Adept can do it quite easilly
[04:27] <Tonio_> so ONE only entry in the system menu is really enought
[04:27] <Tonio_> the notifing+update process has to be transparent to the user as "part of the system"
[04:29] <Tonio_> so I agree with the : Adept in K/System, Adept Installer in SystemSettings, and adept-notifier+adept-updater available from systray but not is the menus, as Adept is enough for manual update
[04:29] <Tonio_> that is in the logic of the kubuntu simplication anyway
[04:30] <Tonio_> raphink: is that tour global feeling ?
[04:31] <Tonio_> s/tour/your/
[04:31] <raphink> yes
[04:31] <raphink> that's the idea
[04:31] <raphink> :)
[04:31] <raphink> so have an "Applications" entry in systemsettings
[04:31] <raphink> :)
[04:32] <raphink> Riddell: what do you think?
[04:32] <Tonio_> seaLne: any opinion ?
[04:33] <Riddell> My current thinking is for Adept installer at the top level in k-menu as "Add/Remove programmes" and Adept in System
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's nice too, yes
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: and about the display=no for adept-updater+adept-notifier ?
[04:34] <raphink> hmm could do
[04:34] <raphink> although not sure adept would fit in systemsettings
[04:34] <raphink> oh you mean in system menu
[04:34] <Riddell> yes
[04:34] <raphink> so you mean having adept installer close to systemsettings in the kmenu right?
[04:35] <Riddell> yes
[04:35] <raphink> could do aswell
[04:35] <Tonio_> that's nice too, I agree
[04:35] <raphink> at least as a first step
[04:35] <raphink> :)
[04:35] <raphink> cause I think having it as kcontrol module would be very nice too :)
[04:35] <raphink> but I agree that having it in the root of the menu is nice and easy
[04:36] <seaLne> or possibly adding clutter
[04:36] <seaLne> but generally probably a good idea
[04:36] <raphink> seaLne: how do you mean?
[04:37] <seaLne> the more things in the root of the menu, arguably the harder to find stuff as its not all categorised
[04:37] <raphink> seaLne: indeed
[04:37] <Riddell> yes
[04:38] <Riddell> that's my worry
[04:39] <seaLne> i appear to now have a settings sub menu contatining Xscreensaver since restarting today
[04:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you remembered that kubuntu-kmenu-side.png needs updating? :)
[04:40] <Riddell> seaLne: curious
[04:41] <Riddell> seaLne: installed any screensavers recently?
[04:41] <seaLne> nope
[04:41] <jpatrick> hello pef
[04:41] <seaLne> probably never, as i use blank
[04:41] <pef> heya jpatrick
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: right, will do toonight
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: just changing the version or would you like other changes ?
[04:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: just version is fine, although if there's some other suitable artwork for there that would be interesting
[04:43] <Riddell> I use Kabel for the version numbers
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I'll be done with toonight's version of k-d-s
[04:44] <raphink> Riddell: and how about keeping update-{notifier, updater} only available through kicker?
[04:44] <Riddell> raphink: yes, agreed
[04:44] <raphink> ok :)
[04:45] <seaLne> something that might not be fixable i noticed earlier when logining in is with moodin splash it has the kubuntu background on my left head but the right head loads up showing kicker etc as normal
[04:45] <Tonio_> I agree too
[04:46] <jpatrick> seaLne: what?
[04:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: seaLne uses xinerama
[04:47] <seaLne> dual head, the moodin splash thingy uses the blue background hiding everything on my left (head 0) display but dosen't do anything on the right
[04:47] <Riddell> seaLne: it's probably only fixable by someone with a handy xinerama setup to test on
[04:47] <seaLne> Riddell: actually more complicatedly i don't use xinerama i have to seperate heads
[04:47] <seaLne> s/to/two/
[04:48] <seaLne> 0:0 and 0:1
[04:48] <jpatrick> file a bug?
[04:49] <Riddell> seaLne: right
[04:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: for all the good it would do :)
[04:50] <seaLne> fileing bugs about dual head is pointless judging by my experience so far sadly
[04:52] <seaLne> i presume its a lack of monitors rather than graphics cards
[04:53] <jpatrick> Riddell: can you commit a patch of mine to the doc svn?
[04:53] <Riddell> jpatrick: sure
[04:53] <jpatrick> I'll send it now
[04:53] <Riddell> seaLne: both I'd say
[04:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: kabel isn't a free font...... is there a free version ?
[04:54] <jpatrick> it is free
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: see my kde.org artwork page
[04:54] <Riddell> clipart page rather
[04:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hu ?
[04:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok
[04:55] <Tonio_> jpatrick: all version I can find on fonts websites are paying ;) that's why I though
[04:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: sent
[05:01] <Riddell> jpatrick: I don't see it
[05:01] <jpatrick> hmm, might be lagging...
[05:10] <jpatrick> it is 11.4kb diff
[05:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: logo updated and katerc too, just need to finish with gtk_qt and that'll be good
[05:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you fine with a script entry in startkde finally ?
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that even if it is possible to configure gtk2.0rc, I have to copy gtk_qt_engine_rc with it....
[05:20] <jpatrick> heya jjesse
[05:21] <jjesse> hiya jpatrick
[05:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, that should be OK
[05:35] <Riddell> jjesse: there's no OEM installer for kubuntu
[05:35] <jjesse> i thought there was an option on the cd?
[05:36] <Riddell> yes, no idea what it does, I should try it one day
[05:36] <jjesse> can it be removed?
[05:36] <Riddell> hopefully
[05:36] <jjesse> flight 4 looks a lot better on my laptop :)
[05:38] <seaLne> anyone know what causes "kio_http: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program" in .xsession-errors?
[05:40] <Riddell> no, I wish I did
[05:42] <Tm_T> seen that too many times while configuring apps
[05:42] <Tm_T> svn stuff
[05:43] <seaLne> tailing .xsession-errors is annoying when there is so much other stuff outputting to it :)
[05:43] <jpatrick> meinproc here
[05:53] <Riddell> can I bounce this jpatrick packagingguide to jjesse?
[05:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: you should ask for access to the docs svn archive
[05:54] <jpatrick> Riddell: did - they said after a while
[05:54] <jjesse> Riddell: it's a slow process to get svn access :(
[05:55] <jpatrick> I'm the only one working on PackGuide apart from LaserJock
[05:55] <jjesse> jpatrick: didn't yous end a diff to the mailing list?
[05:55] <jjesse> i can apply it if you send it to me
[05:55] <jpatrick> jjesse: I sent it to ubuntu-doc - no reply
[05:56] <jjesse> jpatrick: can you send itto me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:56] <jpatrick> err, Riddell's on that
[05:56] <jjesse> cool got it i'll apply it after lunch
[06:00] <jpatrick> lunch eh? with anyone?
[06:02] <nlindblad> jpatrick: wtf dude
[06:02] <jpatrick> nlindblad: what?
[06:02] <nlindblad> why are you respoding with random stuff?
[06:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: any other KDE things I should add to the Packaging for Kubuntu section?
[06:11] <Riddell> why does digikam and krita not just use the x-raw.desktop file in kdelibs?
[06:11] <Riddell> toma: ^^
[06:11] <Riddell> jpatrick: not that I can think of
[06:12] <alleeHol> Riddell: latest digikam upload in debian removes the desktop file of digikam
[06:12] <alleeHol> Riddell: I'm hunting other digikam bugs no I did create a digikam update for kubuntu
[06:12] <alleeHol> +yet
[06:13] <alleeHol> ditto for krita.  If not already remove, x-raw.desktop should be removed.
[06:13] <Riddell> alleeHol: but the file in digikam has a lot more stuff in it than the one from kdelibs
[06:14] <alleeHol> Riddell: in branch kdelibs has an updated x-raw.desktop.  Sid already has a branchpull that includes it
[06:15] <Riddell> allee: ah hah, thanks
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: just sent you the patch for kdebase/startkde
[06:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: applying..
[06:17] <Tonio_> and about to send you k-d-s with the rc files, kate corrected and the logo with version 6.04
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: k-d-s sent by email
[06:21] <jpatrick> Riddell: the file usr/lib/kde3/kio_ipodslave.so is in the ipodslave package however usr/lib/kde3/kio_ipodslave.la is in ipodslave-dev, should I repackage? (Closes: Malone #6021)
[06:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: anything I can work toonight ? I'm in a good day and that may not continue all week long ;)
[06:22] <toma> ah allee answered alreasy
[06:22] <Tonio_> allee: I will subscribe to alioth toonight
[06:22] <allee> Tonio_: great!
[06:25] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[06:25] <Riddell> jpatrick: hmm, yes
[06:25] <Riddell> hi LaserJock
[06:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: bug triage?
[06:26] <nlindblad> jpatrick: what's happening?
[06:26] <jpatrick> nlindblad: bug fixing
[06:26] <nlindblad> I mean with Jabber
[06:27] <allee> Tonio_: e.g. gwenview created black images on rotation.  Quite ugly  bug
[06:27] <LaserJock> Riddell: I have a questions about the kubuntu docs packaging, do you handle that or does jjesse?
[06:27] <jpatrick> nlindblad: Kopete eats so much memory
[06:28] <nlindblad> jpatrick: but why are you sending random junk all the time?
[06:28] <nlindblad> jpatrick: with random delay between
[06:28] <jpatrick> odd...
[06:28] <nlindblad> jpatrick: like, "It's cold here"
[06:28] <Riddell> LaserJock: I do
[06:29] <nlindblad> "I might go to school this week", "that's where it is"
[06:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: there are problems with the ubuntu-docs and kubuntu-docs debian/copyright. I've been working on ubuntu-docs and pretty much have that done, I was wondering if it would be ok to do that same with kubuntu-docs?
[06:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: what needs done?
[06:31] <LaserJock> Riddell: well the copyright file is totally wrong, it says that everything is GPL when in fact it is FDL/CC-SA, and scripts need to have proper copyrights (GPL)
[06:32] <LaserJock> Riddell: I think I might have gotten all the scripts, but Makefiles need to be changed as well
[06:33] <Riddell> LaserJock: sure, please go ahead
[06:33] <Tonio_> allee: may I ask you something ?
[06:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: "Install kio_ipodslave.la in ipodslave not -dev, it's needed by KDE"
[06:33] <allee> yes
[06:34] <LaserJock> Riddell: ok, thanks. The other thing I wanted to ask is if the Ubuntu Packaging Guide is being shipped with kubuntu-docs? I don't have my kubuntu install on me at the moment.
[06:34] <Tonio_> allee: I saw you uploaded the debian dirs for knetswitch
[06:34] <Tonio_> allee: what is the reason not to upload the full package ?
[06:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes please
[06:34] <allee> brb (got a call)
[06:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: that's what you wrote in the changelog
[06:35] <Tonio_> hum...... gwenview and amarok localization don't work... is it a known problem or do I have to post launchpad bug ?
[06:36] <Riddell> jpatrick: assuming I successfully did that please close the bug entry then :)
[06:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: amarok should be recently fixed
[06:36] <jpatrick> he wants the *.so
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: k
[06:36] <jjesse> jpatrick: LaserJock is applying your patch
[06:37] <jpatrick> I saw that
[06:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you know if gwenview is tarball within .orig packaging?
[06:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: no idea, let me look
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: gwenview_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz, so I assume yes
[06:38] <LaserJock> jpatrick: yeah, sorry about the delay. I didn't get a chance to work on the packaging guide at all this weekend :(
[06:38] <jpatrick> LaserJock: no problem
[06:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: both .so and .la are in ipodslave now
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: why that question ?
[06:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: that was cusing problem with amarok
[06:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: I'm looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=ipodslave-dev&version=dapper&arch=i386
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay
[06:39] <jpatrick> *.la's still there
[06:40] <Tonio_> allee: the blackimages in gwenview isn't a bug, it is a setting
[06:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: it's out of date
[06:40] <Tonio_> allee: in "settings/image view/smoothing"
[06:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok
[06:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: do I fix that to "none", pretty better to me
[06:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: pardon?
[06:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: about the "bug" allee was talking about in gwenview
[06:42] <Tonio_> black images on rotation, but that's not a bug, it is a feature
[06:42] <Riddell> sounds like a strange feature to me
[06:42] <Tonio_> although the renderring is not very nice
[06:43] <Tonio_> you can select the "smoothing" between 2 images
[06:43] <Tonio_> or maybe I'm wrong in my understanding of the problem
[06:43] <Riddell> gwenview's problem is that it puts po files into a directory called translations/ not po/, tsk
[06:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wasn't talking about po files ;) so okay, let me patch that
[06:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: confirmed -> closing
[06:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: the .pot file needs to be in the same place as the .po files
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know......... will be a big patch ;)
[06:45] <Riddell> so need a rule to make it in translations/
[06:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't move translations/ to po/, that's just silly :)
[06:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know
[06:46] <Tonio_> hum, the problem is all files are called "gwenview.po"
[06:47] <Tonio_> each with a makefile........
[06:47] <Tonio_> that's a lot of things to change
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can understand the problem with rosetta, but why aren't the translations working at all ?
[06:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: just change the gettext bit to make the .pot file in translations/
[06:48] <Riddell> that's all that needs done
[06:48] <Tonio_> k
[06:49] <Riddell> translations aren't working because .pot is being made elsewhere, this confuses the scripts that makes the language packs and so they aren't including the gwenview .po files in the language packs
[06:49] <Riddell> (I'm guessing)
[06:50] <Tonio_> okay, let's test
[06:55] <allee> Tonio_: gwenview feature?  This violates least-surprise big time :(  At least I'm very surprised :)
[06:57] <Tonio_> allee: are you talking about the black screen we can se while rotating images in fullscreen mode ?
[06:57] <allee> Tonio_: about alioth svn.  When I started I was told to not upload tarballs.  That at least for kdelibs, kdebase .. it makes sensible.
[06:57] <Tonio_> allee: okay
[06:58] <allee> Tonio_: svn I tried privately to use tarballs too.  But renamed/missing/added files makes import a challange
[06:59] <allee> Tonio_: So I now a fan of only debian/ too even for small tarballs
[06:59] <Tonio_> ok
[07:00] <allee> Tonio_: svn-buildpackage can handly .diff.gz with changes outside debian/ too, but I'm so use to remove everything and checkout debian again.
[07:01] <allee> Tonio_: diff.gz containing only stuff below debian/ is just easy handle.
[07:03] <allee> Tonio_:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+bug/29627
[07:03] <Tonio_> k
[07:04] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhh, rotation has 2 meanings in french, I made the confusion ;)
[07:04] <allee> :)
[07:06] <Tonio_> indeed that's a bad bug........
[07:07] <Riddell> what's the other meaning?
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: "rotation" can be used to talk about the fact to go from one image to another talking about a diaporama for example
[07:08] <Riddell> diaporama?
[07:08] <Tonio_> hum, don't know the english term for this ;)
[07:08] <Riddell> un truc
[07:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: assume you use it in fullscreen and browse images, you can talk about "la rotation des images"
[07:09] <LaserJock> as long as it doesn't have anything to do with diapers ;-)
[07:10] <klugez> diashow?
[07:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: right, I understand
[07:10] <Riddell> a complete slide show
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: exactly, yes :)
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: you didn't include the startkde patch in kdebase ?
[07:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's in ubuntu11 not ubuntu10
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ahhhhhh ok, sorry ;)
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry but I'm lost in gwenview sources..... pot files is something I don't understand quite much
[07:13] <allee> Tonio_: (k)network is not in dapper.  Will NEW queue pkgs still enter dapper when processed, or are there special actions now necessary?
[07:14] <Tonio_> knetswitch ?
[07:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: see the line in kde.mk for gettext?  add one to debian/rules in gwenview to generate it in the translations/ directory
[07:14] <Riddell> and probably need to rm the one in the po/ directory
[07:14] <Tonio_> well I assume we have to wait for elmo now.... it can take a few days sometime
[07:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ok, thanks ;)
[07:15] <Tonio_> it was so simple......
[07:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't I simply modify debian/cdbs/kde.mk directly and explain that in the changelog ?
[07:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, if it uses a local kde.mk and not a cdbs one
[07:18] <Riddell> that's the best option I'd say
[07:18] <Tonio_> it is, but calls cvs.sh, no reference to po/ there....
[07:18] <Tonio_> I have top patch cvs.sh probably
[07:18] <Tonio_> s/top/to
[07:18] <Riddell> hmm, probably
[07:25] <nlindblad> what library should I install for C/C++ development?
[07:26] <Riddell> nlindblad: build-essential
[07:26] <nlindblad> thanks Riddell
[07:28] <_Sime> how can I unmark a bug as a dupe on launchpad?
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: something to fix to : audio files association...
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is set to keffeine by default because kaffeine installs after amarok... I have to fix that in k-d-s if you are okay
[07:36] <Tonio_> should be amarok logically
[07:36] <Riddell> _Sime: which bug number?
[07:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: seems sensible
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[07:37] <_Sime> 32945
[07:37] <_Sime> is not a dupe of the other one.
[07:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, I agree with you
[07:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll make tests and we'll see :)
[07:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: amarok is still in english on my two machines, fyi...
[07:38] <Riddell> _Sime: "Mark as Duplicate" then just remove the number in the box there
[07:38] <Riddell> (first time I've done that)
[07:39] <_Sime> ok, that worked although it was totally non-obvious.
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: gwenview patch works, I'm sending it to you by email :)
[07:39] <_Sime> I thought I was adding an extra dupe bug to the report...
[07:40] <Tonio_> what a good day ^_^
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: mail is gone, going back home, seya
[08:00] <sebas> Riddell: In which package can I find the documentation for kdissert?
[08:00] <jpatrick> kdissert package?
[08:00] <sebas> That's installed, but khelpcenter says there's no documentation.
[08:00] <nlindblad> how can you write a string to the socket (C)?
[08:04] <Riddell> sebas: looks like scons is confusing the build system./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdissert/index.docbook -> /build/buildd/kdissert-1.0.5.debian/doc/en/index.docbook
[08:04] <Riddell> nlindblad: what sort of socket?
[08:05] <Riddell> _Sime: report a bug on the launchpad product
[08:05] <nlindblad> Riddell: a TCP one
[08:06] <nlindblad> I can send something, but it shows up weird in the client
[08:06] <Riddell> you'd need to ask on a C channel (or look up the appropriate man page)
[08:06] <Riddell> personally I'd just use a QSocket :)
[08:07] <Riddell> hmm, someone wants to sponsor shipit for kubuntu
[08:07] <nlindblad> big costs?
[08:08] <Riddell> yes
[08:09] <Riddell> but since we should have shipit for dapper anyway, I'm not sure what to say to him
[08:09] <jpatrick> "Thank you very much, but we'll have Kubuntu CDs in Dapper"
[08:11] <Riddell> well if he's offering money there must be something we can do with it
[08:12] <jpatrick> forward to KDE
[08:12] <jpatrick> Oxfam
[08:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: part of the money from the shirts is coming to the team too
[08:17] <Riddell> which shirts?
[08:17] <jpatrick> Kubuntu ones
[08:17] <Riddell> which team?
[08:17] <jpatrick> Kubuntu team
[08:17] <Riddell> where are these shirts?
[08:17] <jpatrick> been designed still
[08:18] <Riddell> have I heard of this?
[08:18] <jpatrick> I told you a while ago
[08:18] <Riddell> I've no memory of it, I must be going mad
[08:18] <sebas> Riddell: Which means?
[08:18] <Riddell> who's designing them?
[08:18] <sebas> Is that being fixed?
[08:19] <jpatrick> Killermundi
[08:19] <Riddell> sebas: the package is from debian so it's not being current fixed by us, either poke the debian packager to fix it or poke a random packager around here to fix it (tonio seems to be having a good day)
[08:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: don't think I've seen that nick
[08:20] <jpatrick> it's a company
[08:20] <Riddell> ah
[08:20] <sebas> Riddell: Ok :)
[08:25] <jpatrick> http://killermundi.org/
[08:27] <Riddell> looks quite violent
[08:32] <jpatrick> they have KDE shirts
[08:43] <sebas> Yeah, apart from the name, they seem nice.
[08:47] <Tonio_> re
[08:47] <Riddell> ah Tonio_, sebas had a request for you
[08:47] <jpatrick> heya Tonio_
[08:48] <Tonio_> jpatrick:  :)
[08:48] <Tonio_> sebas: I'm listening to you :)
[08:49] <jpatrick> sebas: I think Riddell refered to the daggers
[08:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you receive the gwenview patch ? sorry for disturbing, but my ISP really has problems with it's smtp server.......
[08:50] <sebas> Tonio_: kdissert misses the docbook, if you've a little time :-)
[08:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: in my inbox, will look at soon
[08:51] <Tonio_> sebas, will have a look toonight after trying to fix that localisation for amarok ;)
[08:52] <ingwa> Riddell: Great presentation!  (just read it)
[08:53] <Riddell> hi ingwa
[08:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: amarok should be in the new langpacks, or maybe it's waiting on pitti to upload but he did confirm it was fixed
[08:54] <ingwa> Riddell: I just have a question: What is CKJ?  It's mentioned twice
[08:56] <Lure> ChinaKoreaJapan?
[08:56] <ingwa> Lure: Thanks
[08:57] <sebas> Tonio_: Great!
[08:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ok, I'll wait then
[08:59] <Tonio_> sebas looking a kdissert
[09:02] <Tonio_> sebas: do you think we can for an exception for a manpage only ?
[09:02] <Tonio_> sebas: arf, sorry, I wasn't concentrated ;) lol
[09:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's the docbook that's broken, look at the contents of the .deb
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but when I'm drinking my coffee, my brain is shutdown :)
[09:05] <sebas> :)
[09:07] <Tonio_> sebas, indeed, index.docbook is a simlink.........
[09:07] <Tonio_> ok let's go :)
[09:13] <kmon> hi
[09:22] <Tonio_> sebas: strange issue.........; there is only one ln-s entry in the sources and that doesn't touch index.docbook
[09:22] <Tonio_> very strange.........;
[09:22] <hermanr_> Are there legitimate usecases for a kubuntu system with no loopback network device (lo = <IP_ADDRESS>) ?
[09:23] <Riddell> hermanr_: I would guess that would break things
[09:23] <hermanr_> I _know_ missing lo breaks things. ;-)
[09:24] <hermanr_> And app developers are likely to give you a funny look if you suggest that they should fail more gracefully if lo is missing.
[09:25] <hermanr_> As in "lo should never be missing!"
[09:26] <LaserJock> hermanr_: there was a bug a while back (maybe it still is) were network devices weren't activated at startup
[09:26] <hermanr_> mm
[09:26] <LaserJock> I don't think it was intentional, if that is what you were asking
[09:27] <hermanr_> Another (icky) one: Not adding the user-specified hostname to /etc/hosts...
[09:27] <hermanr_> ...so that kubuntu can't resolve itself.
[09:27] <hermanr_> That makes sudo fail.
[09:27] <hermanr_> Recovery mode required to fix it.  Rather showstopperish to a noob.
[09:28] <Riddell> hermanr_: what did you install from?
[09:28] <hermanr_> A kubuntu CD
[09:28] <LaserJock> yeah, I was just going to ask that
[09:29] <hermanr_> A pressed one, not a burned one.
[09:29] <LaserJock> Breezy (5.10)?
[09:29] <hermanr_> Yes.
[09:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: can you make a TB meeting tomorrow 20:00 UTC?
[09:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: should think so, what's happening?
[09:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: I'm up for MOTU, deferred from last meeting
[09:30] <Riddell> hermanr_: it's a broken install, could be a defective CD, could have been bad luck
[09:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: you uploaded my first package from scratch (plotdrop) on REVU
[09:31] <Riddell> LaserJock: where's your wiki page?
[09:31] <LaserJock> Riddell: wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha
[09:33] <hermanr_> Yep, the installer had more than a couple of quirks...  I don't get to test it very often.
[09:34] <Riddell> LaserJock: nice wiki page
[09:35] <Riddell> LaserJock: who uploaded your packages to debian?
[09:36] <LaserJock> Riddell: ChrisH and azeem
[09:37] <Riddell> groovy
[09:38] <LaserJock> Riddell: anyway, at the last TB meeting I had forgotten that you uploaded plotdrop to Universe so I though I'd ask if you could say something.
[09:38] <Riddell> sure
[09:38] <Riddell> although it's only 1 package, they'll probably want more
[09:38] <LaserJock> sure, but anything helps
[09:39] <LaserJock> crimsun did most of my uploads and I think he is going to be there or at least send something, and I got sistpoty and dholbach to do a couple of bug uploads
[10:50] <Tonio_> sebas: sorry, but 2 hours searching and I don't understand..........
[10:50] <Tonio_> I have read the full build output
[10:51] <Tonio_> exactly the same thing is done for index.docbook and index.cache.bz2
[10:51] <Tonio_> same output
[10:51] <Tonio_> I read the full source code and there is absolutly no ln -s function regarde to docfiles..........
[10:52] <Tonio_> and I have a simlink in the deb........... quite amazing.........;
[10:52] <Tonio_> Install file: "build/doc/en/index.docbook" as "debian/kdissert/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdissert/index.docbook"
[10:53] <Tonio_> Install file: "build/doc/en/index.cache.bz2" as "debian/kdissert/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdissert/index.cache.bz2"
[10:53] <Tonio_> I don't see any difference
[10:53] <Tonio_> bz2 file is in the deb and not the .docbook
[11:16] <allee> Tonio_: check make install line of codeine. I remember some make install problems to add as used in codeine rules install dir was fixed
[11:16] <Tonio_> allee: looking
[11:17] <allee> Tonio_: DESTDIR=$(DEB_DESTDIR) $(SCONS_CMD) install
[11:28] <Tonio_> allee: it was aldready using this
[11:29] <Tonio_> but I'm trying something else
[11:29] <Tonio_> that's a nightmare ^^
[11:35] <Tonio_> allee: nope, doesn't work.......... it fails even with a debuild, outside of pbuilder
[11:35] <Tonio_> I assume the kde.py is buggy
[11:35] <Tonio_> here here the comment of upstream about the kdedoc procedure :
[11:36] <allee> Tonio_: do you use scons or the (include?) scons-mini?
[11:36] <Tonio_> 	## This function uses env imported above - WARNING ugly code, i will have to rewrite (ITA)
[11:36] <Tonio_> 	def docfolder(lenv, folder, lang, destination=""):
[11:36] <Tonio_> allee: nope, I use scons directly, like with kleansweep or codeine
[11:37] <allee> Tonio_: which package?  (maybe after trying gnudatalanguage there some time left ...)
[11:37] <Tonio_> kdissert
[11:38] <allee> 'k
[11:38] <Tonio_> maybe the solution is very simple, but I miss it........
[11:38] <Tonio_> I'm pasting you the content of the deb that is causing an issue
[11:39] <Tonio_> allee: http://pastebin.com/575708
[11:39] <Tonio_> here it is, simlinks on docs.....
[11:40] <allee> Tonio_: building ...


[04:31] <jeronimo> Controller has already been initialized.
[04:31] <jeronimo> Are you sure you want to initialize again (yes/no) [default=no]? yes
[04:31] <jeronimo> MAAS URL [default=http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS]:
[04:31] <jeronimo> MAAS has been set up.
[04:32] <jeronimo> curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS
[04:32] <jeronimo> curl: (7) Failed to connect to <IP_ADDRESS> port 5240: Connection refused
[04:35] <jeronimo> ==> /var/snap/maas/common/log/regiond.log <==
[04:36] <jeronimo> 2022-07-17 04:35:24 maasserver.start_up: [error] Error during start-up.
[04:36] <jeronimo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[04:36] <jeronimo> ...
[04:36] <jeronimo> File "/snap/maas/22134/lib/python3.8/site-packages/provisioningserver/utils/shell.py", line 106, in call_and_check
[04:36] <jeronimo>     raise ExternalProcessError(process.returncode, command, output=stderr)
[04:36] <jeronimo> provisioningserver.utils.shell.ExternalProcessError: Command `/snap/maas/22134/usr/share/maas/machine-resources/amd64` returned non-zero exit status 2:
[04:36] <jeronimo> panic: runtime error: slice bounds out of range [1:0]
[04:44] <jeronimo> ok I installed 3.1, no problems anymore