[08:51] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2818](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2818): bypass only works with DMABufBuffer
[10:28] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2810](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2810): platform/Display: Remove register_pause_resume_handlers
[14:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Conan-Kudo opened [pull request #2821](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2821): wayland: Add missing cstdint includes
[14:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[14:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > This fixes building for Fedora Linux 38, which ships GCC 13.
[14:56] <Saviq> Conan Kudo hey, thanks for 👆; would you be able to help us get rawhide into CI? Now we've moved to LXD there are no images that we can use and I've failed before to script the latest Fedora images to upgrade for me…
[14:56] <Eighth_Doctor> sure
[14:56] <Saviq> If I lxc launch images:fedora-37, what would be the next steps to upgrade?
[14:57] <Saviq> Sorry, fedora/37
[14:58] <Eighth_Doctor> `dnf --refresh --assumeyes rawhide && dnf --assumeyes install fedora-repos-rawhide && dnf --refresh --assumeyes distro-sync`
[14:59] <Eighth_Doctor> for the last step, it might be required to do --nogpgcheck if the GPG key rotation has happened and fedora-repos in the stable release hasn't been updated yet
[14:59] <Saviq> # dnf --refresh --assumeyes rawhide
[14:59] <Saviq> No such command: rawhide
[14:59] <Eighth_Doctor> s/rawhide/upgrade/
[14:59] <Eighth_Doctor> blech
[14:59] <Eighth_Doctor> fixed
[15:00] <Saviq> Thanks, I'll try and work that into our CI 👍
[15:02] <Eighth_Doctor> any of you folks at FOSDEM this year?
[15:03] <Saviq> Not ourselves, no — it always makes for a surprise that it's already here… need to plan way ahead
[15:03] <Saviq> We do have a group of other Canonicalers there
[15:08] <Saviq> Conan Kudo how often / for how long is `--nogpgcheck` usually required? I wonder if I should work it into the script
[15:08] <Eighth_Doctor> it usually takes about 1-2 weeks from when the rawhide key changes to when the repo files are updated in stable releases to account for it
[15:10] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq drafted [pull request #2822](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2822): Add fedora rawhide
[16:03] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2821](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2821): wayland: Add missing cstdint includes
[16:23] <grayson-g[m]> While I'm waiting for #2819 to be patched to pass tests, I started working on the wlcs tests for the wl_output bump. Since this uses a newer version of the Wayland protocol, should I update wayland.xml to the latest version in this PR?
[16:24] <alan_g[m]> Ideally, we'd test both versiosn
[16:25] <grayson-g[m]> alan_g[m]: Not sure what "both versions" means here. The protocol is never regressive, right?
[16:25] <alan_g[m]> If the server supports version 4, then clients should be able to connect using any of 1, 2, 3 or 4
[16:27] <grayson-g[m]> Sure, but it seems like we are using a wayland.xml from five years ago in wlcs. This should be updated by now, right?
[16:28] <grayson-g[m]>  * Sure, but it seems like we are using a wayland.xml from five years ago in wlcs. This should be updated by now, right? It looks like this version only has up to wl_output v3
[16:29] <alan_g[m]> Yes, that needs updating
[17:39] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** graysonguarino opened [pull request #267](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/267): Update wayland.xml... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/23e4250b29853c61b6ba3d2de7d71cf4b27dec46>)
[17:40] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** graysonguarino opened [issue #268](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/268): Fix scrolling tests since addition of value120
[17:40] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[17:40] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > This issue is dependent on #267 landing. Since the smooth scrolling update to `wl_pointer`, this seems to break tests such as `VirtualPointerV1Test.when_virutal_pointer_scrolls_with_steps_client_sees_axis_descrete`.
[17:41] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** graysonguarino opened [issue #269](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/269): "virutal" is misspelled repeatedly in wlr_virtual_pointer tests
[17:41] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[17:41] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > The word "virtual" is spelled as "virutal" throughout `tests/wlr_virtual_pointer_v1.cpp`.
[17:44] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** graysonguarino opened [pull request #270](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/270): Fix misspelling
[17:44] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[17:44] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes #269.
[17:52] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** Saviq assigned graysonguarino to [issue #102](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/issues/102): If the containing directory of `diagnostic-path` is deleted and recreated content is not displayed
[17:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq assigned Saviq to [issue #266](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/266): Test wl_output features up to version 4
[17:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq unassigned Saviq from [issue #266](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/266): Test wl_output features up to version 4
[17:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq assigned graysonguarino to [issue #266](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/266): Test wl_output features up to version 4
[18:00] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** graysonguarino edited [pull request #267](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/267): Update wayland.xml
[18:43] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #270](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/270): Fix misspelling
[18:43] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** bors[bot] closed [issue #269](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/issues/269): "virutal" is misspelled repeatedly in wlr_virtual_pointer tests


[08:27] <EvilResistance> who's in charge of #ubuntu-classroom's events and management?
[08:56] <Mkaysi> EvilResistance: Are you wondering those weird questions there outside events too?
[08:57] <dax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/ContactUs
[08:57] <dax> (search engine query: "ubuntu classroom team", second result)
[09:04] <GirlyGirl> I can't send to #ubuntu ... any ideas why?
[09:04] <GirlyGirl> I get the following "== Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu"
[09:05] <dax> GirlyGirl: #ubuntu-ops is the correct place for op questions for #ubuntu. Please be patient.
[09:05] <GirlyGirl> dax: Ok , I wasn't sure if it was an op issue
[10:29] <GumballWatterson> I havnt been on for a while,  I think I'm ready to be unbanned  now
[10:30] <GumballWatterson> and yes I had a different nicj
[10:30] <GumballWatterson> nick
[10:31] <GumballWatterson> any ops of #ubuntu-uk free to resolve this
[10:34] <GumballWatterson> any ops of ubuntu UK free now?
[10:43]  * popey arrives and says "He's had way more chances than anyone else, and I have the opinion that he shouldn't be let back in"
[10:43] <popey> fwiw
[11:04] <DJones> popey: +1 to that
[12:12] <elky> popey, he also demonstrated his compulsive lying in #defocus earlier.
[12:13] <popey> ah. i am not in #defocus anymore
[12:13] <popey> thanks
[23:48] <Bennlucky7> hello can i request ubuntu cloak?
[23:48] <dax> Bennlucky7: are you an Ubuntu Member?
[23:49] <Bennlucky7> yes i am https://launchpad.net/~benni-lonely-boy
[23:50] <dax> !membership
[23:50] <dax> "Ubuntu Member" means something specific, I don't see the group for it on your LP profile. Check out that URL ubottu mentioned :)
[23:51] <Bennlucky7> okay thanks


[00:07] <Fudge> TheMuso  i believe its the slideshow screen directly after the user setup screen, unless user import appears but i have not seen that for a bit
[00:41] <Fudge> question system problem  detected do you want to report it now. that popup never contains what crashed


[00:58] <MarkDude> Good stuff
[13:30] <Roguehorse> presentation at EBLUG went ok
[13:56] <Roguehorse> huh, GIMP in the browser was kind of cool
[13:57] <Roguehorse> cut me off when I tried to save as a jpg but seemed to work pretty well
[16:38] <Roguehorse> anyone developing for Ubuntu mobile?
[19:19] <DonkeyHotei> Roguehorse: the channel for that is #ubuntu-touch
[20:38] <Roguehorse> whoa! long list
[20:38] <Roguehorse> TY


[01:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: golang-1.11-race-detector-runtime (disco-proposed/primary) [0.0+svn332029-0ubuntu1]
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[06:22] <cpaelzer> vorlon: the autopkgtests in -devel are on the way through Debian MP is up
[06:23] <cpaelzer> I considered that right away, I just wanted to avoid adding delta to sync it one week later
[06:23] <cpaelzer> only if there is no response by Debian I'll upload the autopkgtest as delta to libpam-mount
[07:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-1.11-race-detector-runtime [source] (disco-proposed) [0.0+svn332029-0ubuntu1]
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[08:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-1.11-race-detector-runtime [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.0+svn332029-0ubuntu1]
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-16.17] (core, kernel)
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[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-16.17]
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-16.17]
[10:01] <joalif> hi sil2100, could you please approve the upload of libguestfs for Xenial LP: #1632405 and #1814939
[10:18] <sil2100> joalif: sure! Let me review it in a few
[10:18] <joalif> sil2100, thank you so much!!
[10:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isync (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.3.0-1build1 => 1.3.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
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[11:28] <ginggs> hi archive admins, is it possible to remove patchelf 0.9-51-g1fa4d36-0ubuntu18.04.1 from -proposed so that 0.9+52.20180509-1 can be sync'd?
[11:29] <ginggs> unfortunately 0.9-51... seems to be a higher version than 0.9+52...
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libguestfs [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:1.32.2-4ubuntu2.1]
[11:32] <apw> ginggs, doesn't that same problem apply to the version in -release as well ?
[11:33] <apw> ginggs, seemingly not, though i a struggling to understand that
[11:34] <ginggs> apw: dpkg --compare-versions 0.9+52.20180509-1 gt 0.9-1 && echo true
[11:34] <apw> huh
[11:35] <apw> ginggs, right, so if that is true, why is the other not true
[11:36] <apw> it cirtainly is not intuitive
[11:36] <ginggs> apw: yeah, i'm trying to remember the rule for multiple -
[11:39] <apw> ginggs, does anything other than snapcraft use that ?
[11:40] <ginggs> apw: pyside2 build-depends on patchelf
[11:42] <cjwatson> The rule for multiple - is that the split is on the *last* -
[11:42] <cjwatson> So they're usually a mistake because in the first case there the upstream version part is "0.9-51"
[11:42] <cjwatson> Which probably isn't what anyone expected
[11:43] <apw> which i assume is why debian seems to prefer +thingN on its versions
[11:44] <cjwatson> Well, +thingN is for a revision of the upstream tarball, like +dfsg1 meaning "had to strip out some non-free files"
[11:44] <ginggs> is the upstream part of the first 0.9-51-g1fa4d36 ?
[11:44] <cjwatson> Er yes, I missed a bit
[11:44] <apw> yeah that
[11:44] <cjwatson> So I guess 0.9+52.blah is a snapshot?
[11:44] <cjwatson> If so it should indeed not have "-" in the upstream revision part.
[11:45] <cjwatson> I think I agree that removing the current one in -proposed makes sense assuming it maintains coherency
[11:47] <apw> cjwatson, yeah will check that and action
[11:47] <ginggs> thanks apw cjwatson
[11:51] <apw> ginggs, ok both of the disco-release versions of snapcraft and pyside2 built using that broken one
[12:11] <apw> ginggs, so ... i guess we could do with sync'ing the new debian version into a PPA, and building both of those against it, to be sure they arn't going to be a problem
[12:23] <slashd> sil2100, o/ could you please approve the upload of pciutils for X & B (LP: #1815212)
[12:32] <ginggs> apw: ack, i'll try that
[12:34] <apw> ginggs, let me know how it goes, thanks
[12:46] <sil2100> slashd: looking in a minute!
[12:47] <slashd> sil2100, tks
[13:02] <sil2100> slashd: ok, the package seems to look ok, the test case could use some work though - it's not clear how to verify this, but since this is just updating the pci.ids, I guess there's no perfect test case here
[13:02] <sil2100> So I'll accept it
[13:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pciutils [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:3.5.2-1ubuntu1.1]
[13:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pciutils [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:3.3.1-1.1ubuntu1.3]
[13:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-1009.9] (kernel)
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-1009.9]
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[14:42] <ginggs> apw:  pyside2 builds ok, snapcraft failed; but that is expected i guess since it failed in the archive rebuild https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20181220/+build/15885022
[14:44] <apw> ginggs, bah on snapcraft
[15:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: uvloop (bionic-proposed/main) [0.8.1+ds1-1 => 0.8.1+ds1-1ubuntu0.1] (ubuntu-server)
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bind9 (bionic-proposed/main) [1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1.3 => 1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1.4] (core)
[15:40] <ginggs> apw: the snapcraft build failure is two test failures due to two utilities subtly changing subtly their output
[15:40] <ginggs> testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: 'Path "nonexisting.snap" does not exist' not in 'Usage: run sign-build [OPTIONS] <snap-file>\nTry "run sign-build --help" for help.\n\nError: Invalid value for "<snap-file>": File "nonexisting.snap" does not exist.\n'
[15:40] <ginggs> testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: 'Missing argument "ci-system".  Choose from travis.' not in 'Usage: run enable-ci [OPTIONS] <ci-system>\nTry "run enable-ci --help" for help.\n\nError: Missing argument "<ci-system>".  Choose from:\n\ttravis.\n'
[15:41] <ginggs> is it worth proving that in a PPA build?
[15:42] <apw> ginggs, i guess the problem is ideally we would get this rebuilt to eliminate the going version ...
[16:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libevent-rpc-perl (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.08-2 => 1.08-2ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[16:01] <ginggs> apw: isn't patchelf just a utility that is used during the build? i miss what needs to be eliminated
[16:03] <apw> ginggs, that that binary was built using it, so if we delete it it isn't reproducible any more, gpl etc
[16:03] <apw> ginggs, anyhow i think we can dlete it and let the sync occur so we can throw rebuilds on top
[16:04] <ginggs> apw: ok, thanks
[16:06] <apw> ginggs, ok gone ...
[16:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-httplib2 (bionic-proposed/main) [0.9.2+dfsg-1 => 0.9.2+dfsg-1ubuntu0.1] (core)
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-imaplib2 (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.57-1 => 2.57-1ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[16:36] <xnox> Laney, do we need to adjust our web ui? for "code 14" results? sed/universe) [2.57-1 => 2.57-1ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[16:36] <xnox> * jhodapp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:36] <xnox> bah
[16:36] <xnox> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/resource-agents/bionic/armhf
[16:38] <Laney> looks like it
[16:39] <Laney> should be treated like an error result?
[16:50] <xnox> Laney, yeah, but i guess that's new
[16:50] <Laney> dunno
[16:50] <Laney> anyway, if you wanted to propose that, would be nice :-)
[16:50] <Laney> does britney handle it well?
[16:51] <xnox> didn't look yet
[17:32] <bdmurray> cpaelzer: bug 1657409 was resolved but no team ended up being subscribed to the package
[17:32] <bdmurray> doko: ^^
[17:38] <slashd> sil2100, still around have time for another release ? apt on trusty (LP: 1815129)
[17:39] <sil2100> slashd: sure
[17:40] <slashd> sil2100, thanks owe you a beer now
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isync [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.3.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:55] <sil2100> slashd: no worries! Although hm, this apt upload is a bit strange
[17:56] <sil2100> slashd: like, first of all, is that intentional that so many files in doc/en/* got dropped?
[17:56] <sil2100> slashd: the changelog mentions 'Clean up some build artifacts' but this seems a bit much for a 'built artifact'
[17:57] <sil2100> slashd: another thing, I'd say LP: #1815187 needs a better clean up and would be nice if Julian could mention if this affects only trusty
[17:57] <sil2100> Like, a test case that doesn't have TODO in it ;)
[17:59] <slashd> sil2100, I didn't read the sru tmpl as it's not my upload, will let julian answer theses question ;)
[17:59] <slashd> sil2100, thanks anyway ;)
[18:07] <sil2100> juliank: ^ regarding your apt changes, why are so many documentation files dropped?
[18:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [3.13.0-166.216] (core, kernel)
[18:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-boto [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.44.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isync [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.3.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-boto [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.44.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [3.13.0-166.216]
[18:40] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/v/virtualbox/disco/i386
[18:40] <LocutusOfBorg> this needs an hint, because of the uninstallability there... :(
[18:40] <LocutusOfBorg> making src:linux autopkgtestsuite sad
[18:44] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: how about removing virtualbox-qt (and whatever other NBS i386 stuff)?
[18:46] <LocutusOfBorg> feel free to open a bug, I requested the same in debian and worked, not sure what went wrong in Ubuntu
[19:23] <juliank> sil2100: They are not dropped
[19:23] <juliank> sil2100: They are generated at build time, but somehow ended up in a previous tarball
[19:24] <juliank> sil2100: I think somebody built from an unclean tree once
[19:27] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: I'll ping powersj again to subscribe us but he is on travels atm so it might take afew days
[19:27] <cpaelzer> thanks for the hint
[19:28] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: mail sent, will be done once he has network again
[19:32] <bdmurray> cpaelzer: I can do it if that's the right team.
[19:38] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: it will be ~ubuntu-server
[19:43] <bdmurray> cpaelzer: cool, its done
[19:43] <vorlon> coreycb: should python-formencode get merged this cycle?  listed as ubuntu-openstack owned package, last upload was by lamont in 2016
[19:47] <coreycb> vorlon: yes looks like we still need it so i'll take a look
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[22:05] <sil2100> juliank: ACK!
[22:05] <sil2100> Thanks
[22:07] <juliank> sil2100: I rebuilt from git to get rid of this cruft that accumulated there
[22:07] <juliank> :)
[22:07] <juliank> and because I have patches in queues on git
[22:19] <sil2100> juliank: hah, I saw the changelog entry about removing cruft but this seemed a bit much for cruft ;p
[22:19] <sil2100> Now I know this is what you actually meant
[22:20] <sil2100> Will pick it up tomorrow o/
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[22:58] <arrrghhh> nah they try to scare you into needing it.  many AV vendors do it.
[22:58] <TK-999> Random: no, this is actual, real desktop AV
[22:59] <PatrickDickey> TK-999: which one?
[22:59] <TK-999> http://www.eset.com/home/products/antivirus-linux/
[22:59] <PatrickDickey> Ahhhh yeah ok. They don't offer anything free.
[22:59]  * PatrickDickey has used Bitdefender and F-Secure on ubuntu before
[22:59] <lalondong> Kruppt : i'm on live-usb right now. what do i have to do?
[23:00] <TomyLobo> nod32 still sounds more like a virus than an antivirus
[23:00] <arrrghhh> nod32 has gotten awards for being one of the best vendors... just fyi.
[23:00] <Kruppt> fire up a root terminal for starts and run mount command so we can be sure sda5 is NOT mount first
[23:00] <TomyLobo> i was commenting on the sounds of the name
[23:00] <AureliusR> can anyone help me or point me in the right direction?
[23:01] <Nach0z> AureliusR: with whatnow
[23:01] <AureliusR> I just don't knoe enough about gcc to fix this on my own
[23:01] <Nach0z> ohey TomyLobo, didn't know you were here too lol
[23:01] <AureliusR> hi there. I'm trying to install a Realtek audio driver, and I keep getting an error when I try to run configure, it says gcc: cannot run C compiled programs
[23:01] <arrrghhh> AureliusR, this isn't really a dev channel
[23:01] <arrrghhh> isn't there #ubuntu-dev or something?
[23:01] <AureliusR> but I'm not trying to develop anything
[23:01] <TomyLobo> i forgot, where have we met?
[23:01] <AureliusR> I'm just trying to install an audio driver...
[23:01] <anonymous37> hello everyone
[23:01] <arrrghhh> AureliusR, mixed you up with someone else I guess
[23:01] <Nach0z> TomyLobo: SK-dev, I was the one that submitted the patch for worldguard to fix flags not being stored correctly
[23:01] <lalondong> Kruppt : i'm on root terminal,. what next?
[23:01] <Kruppt> lalondong:not mounted that is
[23:01] <AureliusR> lol its okay arrrghhh
[23:02] <arrrghhh> it sounds like you're trying to compile the Realtek poop by hand AureliusR ?  there's no deb?
[23:02] <TomyLobo> ahhh
[23:02] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: Does it have an INSTALL or README file in the download? That might point you in the right direction.
[23:02] <AureliusR> no there's no deb. the instructions that come with it tell you to run the configure first, then make, then make install
[23:02] <Kruppt> run "mount" from root terminal and be sure sda5 is NOT mounted
[23:02] <lalondong> Kruppt : i don't remember how to see that.
[23:02] <AureliusR> but I keep getting errors while trying to run configure
[23:03] <arrrghhh> AureliusR, do you have a build environment setup?  have you compiled stuff before?
[23:03] <Nach0z> AureliusR: is gcc actually installed?
[23:03] <AureliusR> yeah I have
[23:03] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: could you pastebin the errors please?
[23:03] <AureliusR> and yes it is
[23:03] <AureliusR> sure thing
[23:03] <Kruppt> just type mount then enter
[23:03] <arrrghhh> AureliusR, pastebin the error
[23:03] <arrrghhh> lol sorry someone already asked... my nets is SLOW today
[23:04] <lalondong> Kruppt : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620838/
[23:04] <PatrickDickey> arrrghhh: you weren't that far behind. ;-)
[23:04] <AureliusR> http://aurelius.pastebay.net/1189771
[23:05] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: what does config.log show?
[23:06] <AureliusR> I'm not sure which config.log it's referring to, to be honest
[23:06] <PatrickDickey> type ls and see if there's one in that directory.
[23:06] <AureliusR> oh there is! nice.
[23:06] <Kruppt> lalondong: it is not mounted,  running resize2fs is supposed to be non-destructive, but shit happens, if you really need anything backed up, nows a good time to do so rather than be sorry
[23:06] <arrrghhh> is there one in that folder?
[23:07] <PatrickDickey> Paste that up also, please.
[23:07] <AureliusR> ill pastebin it
[23:07] <AureliusR> http://aurelius.pastebay.net/1189772
[23:09] <wmax> how do i get the namespace of a namespace qualified keyword
[23:09] <wmax> wrong channel
[23:09] <wad> I'm kind of regretting upgrading my server from debain to Ubuntu. The box can no longer share its printers. Have any of you successfully shared any printers from a machine running Ubuntu 12.04 desktop 32-bit? Via samba or cups, anything at all?  I'm sure you can shut that off inside samba, just not sure how
[23:12] <AureliusR> I'm pretty sure samba is the way to go if you're making a printserver though
[23:12] <wad> Yeah, that's my first choice.
[23:12] <AureliusR> its been working great for me...
[23:12] <wad> It's what I was doing before I upgraded.
[23:12] <Kruppt> lalondong: we're not going to fuck up anything, but it is always wise to backup data when doing low level work like this on drives, just wanted to remind you so you don't get excited if something blows
[23:12] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: type ls -l a.out and see if it has read permissions for everyone (should look someting like this -r--r--r--).
[23:12] <AureliusR> but the only way I could use it was to add a separate account in samba for my shares
[23:12] <AureliusR> okay
[23:13] <Macuser> Is it possible to back up my MacBook Pro to a PC running Ubuntu Server?
[23:13] <wad> smb.conf: [printers]   browseable = yes      path = /var/spool/samba     printable = yes   guest ok = yes   read only = yes   create mask = 0700
[23:13] <IdleOne> !language | Kruppt
[23:13] <AureliusR> PatrickDickey: where is a.out?
[23:13] <PatrickDickey> Macuser: I know you can using third party programs, but I'm not sure if it will do it natively.
[23:13] <Macuser> hm
[23:13] <wad> AureliusR, so you added a samba account, not an OS account?
[23:13] <lalondong> Kruppt : okey, i have moved the most importand one, i'm ready.
[23:14] <Kruppt> lalondong: from a root terminal type resize2fs /dev/sda5 when your ready and do nothing else on computer till this process is done. Ok
[23:14] <AureliusR> wad: you need both, generally they should match usernames but not passwords to be secure
[23:14] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: it should be in that directory. I could be wrong though.
[23:14] <AureliusR> it doesn't seem to be, let me check again
[23:15] <AureliusR> I just did locate a.out and it gave me a bunch of different ones
[23:15] <Macuser> PatrickDickey: is it that Ubuntu Server is the problem or the PC hardware?
[23:15] <wad> This machine also acts as an internet gateway, it's got a routable IP address on one NIC, so I don't really want external-facing logins. Actually, this is one reason why I upgraded it. The box was compromised, through an account with a bad password, so I had to wipe it clean.
[23:15] <lalondong> Kruppt : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620854/
[23:15] <wad> Adding an OS account just so I can share printers inside the LAN seems odd.
[23:15] <AureliusR> PatrickDickey: should I pastebin those as well?
[23:16] <PatrickDickey> Macuser: I'm not sure. I've never done it from a Mac to linux. I'd imagine that if you can copy a file to the server, you can back up to it.
[23:16] <Kruppt> lalondong:forgot to say hit enter key when ready,  no playing games or something that crashes and locks system up while doing this LOL!
[23:16] <AureliusR> you dont need another OS account just match the samba users to the exisitng users
[23:16] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: is it one line? If so, just paste it here.
[23:16] <AureliusR> no it's many lines
[23:16] <PatrickDickey> Then I'd say pastebin it.
[23:17] <AureliusR> PatrickDickey: http://aurelius.pastebay.net/1189773
[23:17] <Macuser> PatrickDickey: true but the extensions would mess up
[23:17] <Kruppt> lalondong:run e2fsck -f /dev/sda5 first before running resize2fs /dev/sda5
[23:17] <wad> AureliusR, so you're suggesting adding an OS account on the gateway machine for every user inside the LAN? That's not going to work at all.
[23:17] <Macuser> Does anyone know where I could find out some information on backing a Mac up to linux?
[23:17] <Macuser> a linux PC
[23:17] <AureliusR> no no, not on the gateway machine
[23:17] <wad> The gateway machine is also the print server.
[23:18] <AureliusR> match the samba users on the gateway to the LAN users OS accounts
[23:18] <lalondong> Kruppt : Okey, so i just have to wait until the process done right? and how do i know if the process done?
[23:18] <AureliusR> then when you go to add the share on their computers, just enter in their user and samba password when it asks
[23:18] <codephobic> hi
[23:18] <PatrickDickey> Macuser: whatever backup program you're using, you'd point it to the network location for the output. It won't do anything with the extentions, because you're basically just copying a file over.
[23:18] <AureliusR> wad: do you live in Canada or the US by chance?
[23:18] <wad> USA
[23:18] <Kruppt> lalondong: run e2fsck -f /dev/sda5 first from the root terminal
[23:19] <AureliusR> wad: go to your local library if possible and take out a book called Linux Networking Cookbook -- its AMAZING and will answer all your questions regarding this topic
[23:19] <Macuser> PatrickDickey: so would I need to install anything on the source machine? Or just the target? Like what do I use to get the files from the Mac to the Ubuntu server?
[23:19] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: From what I can see, the realtek driver wants gcc > 5, but yours isn't. I'm not sure what to tell you from here. You could ask in #ubuntu-app-devel even though you're not developing it.
[23:19] <AureliusR> what does that mean?
[23:19] <lalondong> Kruppt : done, i just need to run resize2fs after this. Are chatting forbidden while waiting?
[23:19] <codephobic> I'm having some difficulties getting a consistent response from VirtualBox on my Ubuntu 12.10 host. I've created 5 VM guests (2 debian, 1 freebsd and 1 ubuntu 12.04 server LTS) and they all work perfectly fine.
[23:19] <AureliusR> Different version of gcc?
[23:20] <wad> I'm trying to figure out what you're saying... I don't want to create user accounts on the gateway machine. Every time another machine was plugged into the LAN, I'd have to setup an account so that they can print? Not what I want at all.
[23:20] <codephobic> My problem is with getting them to launch when I start Ubuntu.
[23:20] <wad> On the inside of the LAN, I just want complete unauthenticated access to all the printers on the server.
[23:20] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: Yeah.  I could be wrong though.
[23:20] <codephobic> I've got 2-3 of them working, but can't seem to get all 5 to load up.
[23:20] <wad> If you're inside the LAN, users should be able to print. No accounts, no passwords.
[23:20] <AureliusR> wad: as far as I know, other than guest account that's what you'd have to do. you could write a script to automate it
[23:20] <AureliusR> yes, guest accounts would work better
[23:20] <PatrickDickey> Macuser: Does your mac come with anything for backups? If so, can it point to a network drive for the location?
[23:21] <codephobic> sometimes my freebsd launch and one of the debian VMs fails to launch.
[23:21] <AureliusR> but if you can't get that to work, this is the alternatice
[23:21] <wad> ok
[23:21] <AureliusR> I didn't know the size of your network
[23:21] <Kruppt> lalondong:yeah after e2fsck finishes run resize2fs as I posted earlier...chatting shouldn't hurt ;-0
[23:21] <Macuser> PatrickDickey: well I'm using Time Machine right now. But that's closed.
[23:21] <AureliusR> sorry, I was thinking less than 10 machines for some reason
[23:21] <Macuser> I'm backing up to my external hard drive via usb
[23:21] <AureliusR> okay PatrickDickey I'll look into that
[23:21] <AureliusR> but I just did apt-get install gcc to make sure, and it was the most recent version
[23:21] <PatrickDickey> Macuser: http://kremalicious.com/ubuntu-as-mac-file-server-and-time-machine-volume/ this might help. Like I said, I don't have a Mac, so I'm going by a Google search.
[23:22] <AureliusR> PatrickDickey: and this driver is fairly old so I'd be surprised if that was the problem
[23:22] <lalondong> Kruppt : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620870/
[23:22] <AureliusR> 1 or 2 years anyway
[23:22] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: Which sound card do you have?
[23:23] <AureliusR> PatrickDickey: can I show you the PDF that comes with it?
[23:23] <AureliusR> its an on-board realtek cihip
[23:23] <RyuGuns> Hello.
[23:23] <AureliusR> Gigabyte motherboard GA-MA69GM-S2H
[23:23] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: which chip is it? And you can link me to where you downloaded the pdf or the driver from.
[23:23] <AureliusR> I will do both, just one moment PatrickDickey and THANKS so much!!
[23:24] <Kruppt> lalondong: now lets mount sda5 and check out the filesystem > mkdir /dev/sda5 < then > mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 <
[23:24] <RyuGuns> I am using a macbook and the builtin microphone and camera wont work.
[23:24] <RyuGuns> Any suggestions?
[23:24] <AureliusR> PatrickDickey: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsCheck.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[23:24] <AureliusR> oh shoot wrong one, sorry
[23:24] <lalondong> Kruppt : the file are exists... so i just need to move to the -> mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 ?
[23:25] <AureliusR> oh actually that IS the right one, sorry PatrickDickey
[23:25] <AureliusR> its from their taiwan site but that's what I was told to download. it shouldn't make a difference
[23:25] <PatrickDickey> I'll check it out.
[23:25] <Kruppt> lalondong: yeah...now just run mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5
[23:26] <lalondong> Kruppt : nothings happend, what next?
[23:26] <Kruppt> lalondong: now lets check filesystem size on sda5...run df -Th in root terminal
[23:28] <lalondong> Kruppt : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620892/
[23:28] <AureliusR> oh PatrickDickey nevermind!! i downloaded the older one and its working. I just ran bash install and its installing
[23:28] <PatrickDickey> Glad to hear you got it worked out. :)
[23:29] <AureliusR> oh crap. and it returned an error as well :(
[23:29] <PatrickDickey> What error?
[23:29] <AureliusR> install: line 47: alsaconf: command not found
[23:29] <Kruppt> lalondong: It's not mounted type mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 then enter key
[23:29] <DankenseN> Hi everyone, i'm looking for some bash exercices to practice, could someone help me ?
[23:30] <lalondong> it says : mount: mount point /mnt/sda5 does not exist
[23:30] <lalondong> Kruppt : it says ; mount: mount point /mnt/sda5 does not exist
[23:32] <Kruppt> lalondong: type > mkdir /mnt/sda5;mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 then the enter key run df -Th again
[23:32] <al_la> Running 12.10, and the screen lock (on screensaver) no longer works .. changing settings and rebooting does nothing to help.  control+alt+L still locks, but the auto-lock does nothing.  Thoughts?
[23:32] <AureliusR> hmm PatrickDickey I think it actually installed anyway
[23:32] <lalondong> Kruppt :  > mkdir /mnt/sda5;mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 < all of this?
[23:33] <AureliusR> it returned that error at the end but it finished cofigure, make, and make install all on its own I think
[23:33] <codephobic> anyone using vbox 4.2 on Ubuntu 12.10 (host)?
[23:33] <AureliusR> and lsmod seems to show new sound modules
[23:34] <lalondong> Kruppt : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620903/
[23:34] <Kruppt> lalondong: mkdir /mnt/sda5;mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5   <--copy and paste this in terminal then hit enter key
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, there is a #vbox channel for virtualbox help.
[23:34] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: if it's still not working right, you may be able to get some advice from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[23:34] <AureliusR> okay thanks PatrickDickey :) it installed but nothing is playing right...
[23:34] <codephobic> wilee-nilee, I'm asking the question in there too
[23:35] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: Well going by the Readme, you have to reboot.
[23:35] <lalondong> Kruppt : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620903/
[23:35] <AureliusR> oh okay
[23:35] <codephobic> wilee-nilee, thought it might be ubuntu specific, as autoload requires a script in /etc/init.d/
[23:35] <AureliusR> brb then ;)
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> codephobic, may be, just wanted to see you get help. ;)
[23:36] <lalondong> Kruppt : so have these 20 gb available? is that mean we made it ?
[23:36] <Kruppt> lalondong: ls -al /mnt/sda5 <-- copy and paste into terminal then hit enter
[23:37] <lalondong> Kruppt : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620908/
[23:37] <KornKage> i need 1 assistance please. I installed ubuntu 12.10 just now. On the boot loader i get Windows loader (/dev/sda1) and abother Windows(loader) (/dev/sda2). I dont know which one to pick, and i would like to make windows default instead of ubuntu
[23:37] <Kruppt> lalondong: yeah the filesystem resized to the partition container size
[23:37] <KornKage> *another not abother
[23:37] <lalondong> Kruppt : so , i just need to go back to my ubunturight now?
[23:38] <Kruppt> lalondong: looks like the filesystem is in tack, all is good with the operation..Ding ;-)
[23:38] <lalondong> Kruppt : so i'll see you on my Ubuntu right?
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> KornKage, you can look at the HD with gparted and see which is the main C sda1 or sda2 one might be the recovery partition. Personally I would stick with grub as a bootloader but there is easybcd
[23:39] <Kruppt> lalondong: yeah your fine, you can reboot into ubuntu on sda5
[23:40] <wilee-nilee> KornKage, by windows default do you mean at the top of the grub list?
[23:40] <PatrickDickey> KornKage: could you pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg and the results of sudo fdisk -l please? That way we can see what you have on the drive.
[23:40] <KornKage> yes wilee-nilee
[23:40] <KornKage> hmm PatrickDickey ill try
[23:40] <KornKage> 1 sec
[23:41] <PatrickDickey> I think KornKage wants it to boot to Windows if he doesn't choose something else.
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> KornKage, follow PatrickDickey's instructions that wil be a great help
[23:41] <Pinkamena_D> hello, what is the quickest way to edit an icon for a program (the one which shows up in the sidebar)
[23:41] <KornKage> yes PatrickDickey
[23:42] <AureliusR> uh oh PatrickDickey after rebooting my only audio channel available is dummy output
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> Pinkamena_D, you can change a icon from properties of the app and click on the icon in that gui to follow to the icon you want.
[23:43] <KornKage> PatrickDickey pastebin.com/MAuw9nKd
[23:44] <Macuser> what's better? using an Ubuntu server for a backup server for my Mac or using my old PowerMac G4 as a file server for my Mac?
[23:45] <makson> Hi gents - I set up a CHROOT environment like 3 years ago, my box has been running great, almost 1000 days now! buttttt.. now i need to change something and of course im scratching my head.
[23:45] <lalondong_> Kruppt : Thankyou so much boss, you are a life saver, i was thinking of leaving Ubuntu and go back to Windows, it's 6:44 am right now, haven't any sleep since we're chatting, but it's worth it... Thankyou....... :D
[23:45] <lalondong_> Kruppt : Thankyou so much boss, you are a life saver, i was thinking of leaving Ubuntu and go back to Windows, it's 6:44 am right now, haven't any sleep since we're chatting, but it's worth it... Thankyou....... :D
[23:45] <makson> I'm really jsut looking to get CURL working inside of my chroot env
[23:45] <KornKage> PatrickDickey 1st i don't know which one of the Windows(loader) i should choose. 2nd i would like to make it boot to windows by default. and 3rd if possible with only 1 second of choosing time in that grub boot menu(so it loads windows fast)
[23:45] <makson> i copies the file, but that didn't work cause of LIB dependencies, is there any way to get curl working inside of chroot environment?
[23:46] <PatrickDickey> KornKage: You'll want to check gparted like wilee-nilee suggested. It looks like you've got two Windows 7 drives and a Recovery drive.
[23:46] <KornKage> ok
[23:46] <KornKage> let me download it
[23:47] <KornKage> i installed ubuntu, and havent yet gone to windows , im just trying to be careful :)
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> KornKage, looks like sda1 is the boot partition and sda2 is the main C and sda3 is the recovery, but you can tell better from your end.
[23:47] <PatrickDickey> KornKage: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Setup#Configuring_GRUB_2 will help you after you figure out which one is the right loader.
[23:47] <KornKage> sda3 is the recovery i believe(laptop)
[23:47] <Kruppt> lalondong: yeah no problem...glad to get you going
[23:47] <KornKage> but let me install gparted
[23:48] <PatrickDickey> AureliusR: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto might get you going. Sorry for the delay in answering you. I thought I'd posted this one before.
[23:48] <PatrickDickey> KornKage: sda3 is the recovery (you're right). It looks like you have two Windows drives though sda1 and sda2.
[23:49]  * PatrickDickey thinks wilee-nilee is right about the boot partition on sda1
[23:49] <KornKage> i think he is right too sda2 has 400gb
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> KornKage, this a OEM install?
[23:50] <KornKage> i bought the laptop yesterday wilee-nilee
[23:50] <PatrickDickey> KornKage: What you can do is reboot, and try the sda1 loader. If it boots you into Windows, then choose that one when configuring GRUB.
[23:50] <lalondong_> Kruppt : i'm new to linux so sorry i don't even understand the code and stuff... i'll learn as much  as i can... but stuff you did there when making this, are so consufing... Thanks btw.. i'm going to sleep now, and you've got a new member on this channel.
[23:50] <KornKage> windows was on it(and upgraded to windows 7 ultimate)
[23:50] <lalondong_> Bye, and good morning.
[23:50] <Macuser> Will Ubuntu Server just not simply work with backing Macs up to it?
[23:50] <KornKage> ill show u a pic
[23:50]  * AureliusR is going to try those steps, PatrickDickey ;)
[23:50] <makson> anyone know about CHROOT /
[23:51] <Macuser> ?
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> makson | chroot
[23:51] <makson> looking to run curl inside my chroot
[23:51] <Kruppt> lalondong:we all had to start the learning curve somewhere in time.. you did good
[23:52] <PatrickDickey> !chroot | makson
[23:52] <Jordan_U> makson: Do you have apt-get within the chroot?
[23:52] <KornKage> http://i49.tinypic.com/vq7cih.png
[23:52] <makson> Jordan_U: yes, i have apt-get, tried running curl, but got bunch of 404 errors, am i missing the mirrors maybe?
[23:52] <makson> Jordan_U: i mean tried installing curl, and got the 404 errors
[23:52] <Macuser> anyone?
[23:53] <PatrickDickey> KornKage: I'd say /dev/sda1 is the boot loader you want. Worse comes to worse, you try them both.
[23:53] <Jordan_U> makson: Please pastebin the output of "apt-get install curl".
[23:53] <Macuser> is this is the only way to use Ubuntu Server for backing up your Mac(s) http://kremalicious.com/ubuntu-as-mac-file-server-and-time-machine-volume/#netatalk1 ?
[23:53] <PatrickDickey> Macuser: Looking at the link I gave you, if Apple added the undocumented API's, then probably not. Otherwise, you should try the steps in it, and see what happens.
[23:53] <wilee-nilee> KornKage, your boot flag is on sda1 however the sda2 may have all the bootfiles as well, the good thing is that you can probably run the recovery through sda1 if needed.
[23:53] <Jordan_U> KornKage: PatrickDickey: Grub's boot sector should always be installed to the MBR, never to any partition.
[23:54] <Macuser> PatrickDickey: well the steps don't sound easy. So I assume that you cannot just start using Ubuntu Server without doing anything else to it for backing you Mac up to it?
[23:54] <KornKage> (windows was already installed when i installed ubuntu)
[23:54] <PatrickDickey> Macuser:  Here's where I got the results from https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=backing%20mac%20up%20to%20linux%20server&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=a720ab43687f831b&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43828540,d.aWM&biw=1375&bih=806
[23:55] <Macuser> PatrickDickey: yeah I typed that as well
[23:55] <Macuser> so it's not meant to be easy
[23:55] <PatrickDickey> Macuser: There might be a better tutorial somewhere. But no, I'd say unless they both are using the same protocol to talk, they won't just work.
[23:55] <Macuser> and apparently, it's "hacking" since it's not supposed to happen
[23:55] <Macuser> ok thanks
[23:55] <makson> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/6WVWRKV8
[23:55] <Macuser> I may try using my old PowerMac G4 instead. it seems like it would be the best thing to do
[23:56] <PatrickDickey> Macuser:  you could also check into CrashPlan. That's what I've used for backing up linux to linux, and I think it has an Apple version.
[23:56] <Macuser> ugh i hate CrashPlan. I don't use online backing up/"clouds"
[23:56] <makson> Jordan_U: that was apt-get update, standby
[23:57] <PatrickDickey> Macuser: You don't have to do it online. It will back up to another computer on your local network.
[23:57] <Macuser> ? how so
[23:57] <Macuser> i bet it wouldn't back my Mac up to an ubuntu desktop
[23:57] <Macuser> or windows computer
[23:57] <makson> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/k7n43t5y there you go.
[23:58] <PatrickDickey> Install it on both computers. On the "server" you select the location for the backups. On the "client" you use the key that is provided on the "Server" version.
[23:58] <PatrickDickey> http://www.crashplan.com/consumer/thankyou.html?os=Mac Macuser
[23:58] <Jordan_U> KornKage: PatrickDickey: Looking back through the entire conversation, I agree that trying both entries probably can't hurt (as long as you don't actually choose to do any "recovery" if one of the entries is for a recovery partition).
[23:59] <PatrickDickey> KornKage: Jordan_U the recovery is another menu entry altogether in Grub (at least as far as I read from grub.cfg).