[00:00] <ali1234> if you only need a pin number and some person details you can just guess that
[00:01] <ali1234> no need for phishing, though no reason not to do that too
[00:01] <ali1234> trojan, yes
[00:01] <ali1234> and just keylog everything
[00:01] <ali1234> but if that were the only problem, why take it off line?
[00:02] <penguin42> ali1234: It's possible it turned out to be an overly easy way for people to get the cash after they'd got the details?
[00:02] <ali1234> yeah
[00:03] <ali1234> but how could they fix it?
[00:03] <ali1234> if they're just going to reduce the limit why take it offline?
[00:03] <ali1234> weren't they having problems for the past few days actually? or was that hsbc?
[00:03] <penguin42> ali1234: I think there was a beeb report about some banks having issues
[00:04] <ali1234> seems very suspicious to me
[00:23] <bootinfdsds> ...bored outta my brains .. anyone got any news ??
[00:32] <ali1234> someone proposed to put the teletext font i made into xbmc
[00:33] <ali1234> except i didn't make it, i just converted it from bitmap to ttf
[00:34] <ali1234> also i had an idea to adapt my teletext recovery software for old floppy disks
[00:34] <ali1234> but i don't know enough about how they are formatted
[00:35] <penguin42> ali1234: Teletext recovery software? And what format of flippies?
[00:35] <ali1234> teletext recovery from vhs
[00:35] <ali1234> it's possible :)
[00:35] <penguin42> hoho - OCR'd ?
[00:35] <ali1234> no
[00:36] <penguin42> oh from the header?
[00:36] <ali1234> recovering the information from the VBI
[00:36] <penguin42> yeh I guess later VHS machines probably have enough bandwidth to do it
[00:36] <ali1234> the VHS has lower horizontal resolution so common wisdom says nyquist
[00:36] <penguin42> I remember though our TV couldn't normally get the teletext while playing from vhs
[00:36] <ali1234> but there's a catch. nyquist is for analogue signals and VBI is digital
[00:36] <ali1234> a TV cannot do it
[00:37] <penguin42> Why?
[00:37] <ali1234> a VHS has about 3-4MHz bandwidth, and teletext is 6.something MHz
[00:38] <penguin42> ok, so how do you recover it from vhs?
[00:38] <ali1234> so the teletext signal is binary
[00:38] <ali1234> when you put binary through a low pass you get a gaussian blur
[00:38] <ali1234> so i take the signal from the VHS, and guess what the original was, blur it, and compare
[00:39] <ali1234> then refine until i get a "best match"
[00:39] <penguin42> how do you define 'best'?
[00:39] <ali1234> this works quite well but is extremely slow
[00:39] <ali1234> best is least mean squared difference
[00:40] <ali1234> so the first few bytes of teletext line are always the same so i know what those are
[00:40] <ali1234> they are<PHONE_NUMBER>1010101110010
[00:40] <penguin42> ah right, but there isn't any parity or anything in the rest of the line is there?
[00:41] <ali1234> so i try that + 1 and that + 0, gaussian blur both, compare to input signal, take the best, then repeat for the next byte
[00:41] <ali1234> yes there is parity too and i take that into account. i don't actualyl test single bits. i test every possible value of thenext byte, rejecting anything hat would be an invalid byte
[00:42] <ali1234> i scan over the whole line multiple times, three passes usually yields no further improvement
[00:42] <ali1234> this isn't perfect but teletext cycles so then i combine similar lines, taking the most frequent character in lines which are "similar"
[00:42] <penguin42> ali1234: Almost sounds like the PRML disk encoding type of work?
[00:42] <ali1234> where "similar" is defined by an extremely complex heuristic that needs to be hand tweaked for each recording
[00:42] <ali1234> not familiar with that
[00:43] <ali1234> it has similarities with stuff like barcode reading from blurred camera images
[00:43] <ali1234> cos teletext is like a barcode... black and white bars of varying thickness
[00:43] <penguin42> ali1234: So when you say floppy recovery you mean recovering floppies from a fuzzy scan?
[00:44] <ali1234> yeah. actually scan the signal as analogue, and then do the same thing. qwork out what binary data would look most like the actual read data after convolution
[00:44] <ali1234> so for like 20 year old floppies that are not readable in a normal drive
[00:44] <penguin42> ali1234: I suspect the type of degradation on floppy is somewhat different - it's probably more something that's bleed from neighbouring tracks?
[00:45] <penguin42> (or from the other side?)
[00:45] <ali1234> perhaps. there's no repetition either
[00:45] <ali1234> and i would have to heavily modify a floppy to read "slowly"
[00:45] <penguin42> and there is ecc
[00:45] <ali1234> i use a wintv to sample the VBI and it oversamples the VCR signal by about 5x
[00:46] <penguin42> ali1234: You could try using a ferrofluid and microscope to read it instead
[00:46] <ali1234> well, this is really an automated version of that :)
[00:46] <penguin42> I meant for floppies
[00:46] <ali1234> the idea is basicallyjust oversample and then develop heuristics
[00:47] <ali1234> i got some results: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/bbc1/19961225/
[00:47] <bootinfdsds> http://www.manx.net/tv/mt-tv/watch/7128/mark-shuttleworth
[00:47] <ali1234> i made the font for that too
[00:47] <ali1234> that's from about 2 hours of VHS, which took a month to process
[00:48] <ali1234> nothing at all was visible with a normal TV
[00:48] <penguin42> impressive
[00:48] <ali1234> the result is basically perfect
[00:48] <ali1234> there's even more tricks though
[00:49] <ali1234> common page headers are fuzzy matched for example
[00:49] <penguin42> yeh or when the same page comes around multiple times you might try matching
[00:49] <ali1234> yeah it does do that
[00:49] <penguin42> neat
[00:49] <ali1234> it's all under vhs-teletext on github
[00:50] <penguin42> ali1234: Sounds like a job for a gpu to do multiple tries in parallel?
[00:50] <ali1234> yes very much so
[00:50] <ali1234> i tried but i couldn't get it to run faster
[00:51] <ali1234> but i've never really done opencl etc
[00:51] <penguin42> me neither
[00:51] <ali1234> it's all done with numpy and scipy which are pretty fast and optimized from what i gather
[00:51] <ali1234> maybe one day they'll just use opencl natively
[00:51] <penguin42> anything with py in the name seems unlikely to be fast
[00:52] <ali1234> well yes, but numpy/scipy is specifically designed to make array operations/convolutions etc really fast
[00:52] <penguin42> anyway, bed!
[00:52] <penguin42> nn
[05:13] <recaptchacapcha> asdf
[05:13] <recaptchacapcha> gdf
[05:13] <recaptchacapcha> adfg
[05:13] <recaptchacapcha> hdg
[05:13] <recaptchacapcha> df
[05:14] <recaptchacapcha> hgfd
[05:22] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[05:22] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[05:22] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[05:22] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[05:22] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[05:22] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[05:23] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[05:23] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[05:23] <recaptchacapcha> SDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[06:12] <MartijnVdS> !ops
[06:12] <MartijnVdS> oh he's gone already
[07:27] <christel> oh charming
[07:27] <christel> (good morning)
[07:52] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:06] <MooDoo> morning all :D
[08:09] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[08:13] <AlanBell> morning
[08:20] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell
[08:23] <christel> MooDoo! \o/
[08:25] <MooDoo> christel: <3 o/
[08:27] <christel> how are you? long time no taaalk
[08:34] <MooDoo> christel: yes i'm fine, lost my way a little with linux, but trying to get back into it slowely
[08:47] <popey> morning
[08:52] <christel> :)
[08:52] <christel> lo popey
[08:55] <MooDoo> morning alan
[09:01] <jacobw> morning
[09:04] <MooDoo> popey: i'm guessing you don't have to shave your hair off now then ;)
[09:04] <popey> :)
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> popey: today's sound track (you liked Akufen, right? :)): http://open.spotify.com/album/4qzJV2qpd93F2Y5SkCfo8K
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> This has some similarities
[09:16]  * jacobw watches the stephen fry interview
[09:17] <popey> listening, thanks MartijnVdS
[09:21] <jacobw> ha "it's amazing how dumb some people are"
[09:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:45] <jacobw> hey brobostigon
[09:45] <jacobw> how's it going?
[09:45] <brobostigon> jacobw: ji, not bad, waking up, and uyou?
[09:46] <jacobw> normal sunday here
[10:01]  * MartijnVdS did some Sunday javascripting
[10:01] <brobostigon> jacobw: ok :)
[10:14] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: ++
[10:15] <kingcrimson> How can I remove a package and all of its configuration?
[10:15] <kingcrimson> And then reinstall the package cleanly?
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> you'll have to remove the config in your home dir manually
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> kingcrimson: "apt-get purge package_name_here"
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> kingcrimson: that removes the package + all config
[10:16] <kingcrimson> Hm - I've tried that.  It's for kerberos (Don't ask I'm just messing about!)
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> kingcrimson: dpkg -S /etc/config_file_thats_broken
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> that shows the package the config file is in
[10:17] <kingcrimson> OK
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> you can then purge + reinstall that..
[10:17] <kingcrimson> Thanks I'll try that
[10:24] <brobostigon> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[10:25] <brobostigon> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop quantal
[10:27] <kingcrimson> Ah whoops my own fault - there is a seperate package for config...
[10:44] <kingcrimson> Why do users in ubuntu have the same group name as user name?  Wouldn't it make sense to put them in the users group?
[10:47] <jacobw> kingcrimson: the named group is the primary group only, a user can be any number of secondary groups
[10:47] <kingcrimson> But why have a group for every user?
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> so a user doesn't inadvertently create files readable for others
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> mostly
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> (that can be solved with umask, but one tiny mistake..)
[10:48] <jacobw> i've read that reason and another reason that makes even more sense that i've forgotten :(
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/09/using_user_private_groups.html
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Deployment_Guide-en-US/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> Those are wikipedia refs
[10:49] <kingcrimson> Which wiki article?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_permissions#User_private_group
[10:50] <kingcrimson> Thanks
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> When each user has their own group, umask can be set to 0002, which makes all files group-writeable
[10:50] <kingcrimson> I'll have a read
[10:50] <kingcrimson> Right
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> so if you add two users to a third group (to collaborate on something, say), the files they make can be read _and written_ by both users
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> without fiddling with the umask or chmod all the time
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ^ that seems to be the other reason?
[10:51] <jacobw> yeah, that's it
[10:51] <kingcrimson> Hmm that's a good reason
[10:52] <kingcrimson> Problem solved - I was just scratching my head and wondering why I shouldn't just change all users primary group to users
[10:52] <jacobw> you can grant access to all your files by adding another user to your group
[10:52] <kingcrimson> (I only a sysadmin at home so it doesn't really matter but worth thinking about)
[10:53] <jacobw> for one user only, or more than one user, but not all users at the same time unintentionally
[10:58] <jacobw> hmm, i've never tried dia before, it's actually quite good
[11:29] <brobostigon> nomnom, ham and goats cheese toasties.:)
[14:15]  * AlanBell updates http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[14:15] <AlanBell> now taking pre-orders for 12.10
[14:16] <penguin42> AlanBell: But what are you going to get the chicken?
[14:16] <AlanBell> probably Ubuntu Server again
[14:17] <penguin42> AlanBell: I guess they run a flock rather than a cluster or cloud?
[14:28] <AlanBell> Bug #1063043
[14:37] <penguin42> AlanBell: Marked it high
[14:37] <Azelphur> Anyone here in UK with a three "Ultimate Internet SIM 200" plan? does tethering work for you without the bolt-on? :P
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> watch out, watch out, there's a /me about ;)
[14:40] <AlanBell> thanks penguin42, I have just reproduced it
[14:44] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: for other reasons, I was thinking of a reporting similar bug re 12.04 installer
[14:44] <SuperEngineer> it will not allow full control on a netbook due to sceen size vs dialogue size at the "something else" choice for partitioning
[14:46] <AlanBell> alt+click drag to move the top of the installer window off the top of the screen
[14:46] <AlanBell> possibly
[14:47] <SuperEngineer> try getting someone to do that while you're going through the install remotely
[14:48] <AlanBell> yeah, netbook screen resolution just isn't supported very well
[14:48] <SuperEngineer> however - user [dearest sis] is v. happy with her "new" 12.04 netbook [was running 10.04]
[14:49] <AlanBell> Bug 741869 is a total pita
[14:52] <AlanBell> dunno how people at Canonical cope with that one
[14:54] <SuperEngineer> especially when Unity [deliberately?] kills Gnome-Do  <super-space> in normal mode, let alone a VM
[14:54]  * SuperEngineer slaps own wrist
[15:02] <SuperEngineer> Has anyone heard anything up to date [beyond April'12 ] re Gwibber plug-in for G+ ?
[15:03] <SuperEngineer> Either I can no longer summon my google-foo or my lp-foo or there *is* no more news
[15:03] <AlanBell> I guess that is waiting for a G+ writeable API
[15:03] <SuperEngineer> cheers AlanBell
[15:35] <ali1234> that bug still isn't fixed?
[15:40] <Laney> http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/
[15:40] <Laney> seems stuck
[15:41] <Azelphur> how comes I have no idea who the person who is #2 is
[15:41] <Azelphur> sorry, #3
[15:42] <popey> i paused it
[15:42] <popey> pisg was eating the box alive
[15:42] <Azelphur> ah
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> aww
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> we talk too much :)
[15:42] <Azelphur> indeed
[15:45] <Azelphur> does anyone know if three currently employs any tethering detection methods? :p
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: come to .nl, net neutrality law forbids tethering detection ;)
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> well not detection.. but acting on it ;)
[15:50] <penguin42> wow !
[15:51] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I want to go to there :(
[15:51] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: But do you still get cheap 'unlimited' mobile contracts?
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no, but we didn't get those before either
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: When providers got rid of those plans, and announced further bans on Skype/voip stuff, politicians suddenly acted :)
[15:52] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hmm, see I get a 20GBP/6 months payg phone payment for internet, that limits certain types of stuff to 500MB/month but says unlimited web
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> Someone complained to the "advertising authority" about the "Unlimited*" plans some are offering again now
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> because they're "Unlimited as long as you don't use a lot"
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> which is.. strange
[15:53] <penguin42> yeh they're a bit odd; this one is very badly defined but seems OK for my use; and at that cost I can't really argue
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> I have a 400MB plan, but I tend to use only 250-300
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> WOohoo, libvirt + kvm + a bunch of bridges = fun
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> I can now create a VM that can only see one VLAN
[16:03] <penguin42> yeh that's the idea
[16:04] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Probably be a good thing to do a write up of that setup
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> I had to poke around with ebtables to get the "default" vlan bridge to work (the "untagged" one)
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: hm. yeah
[16:17]  * MartijnVdS revives his blogger page
[16:20] <Laney> gah
[16:20] <Laney> if I have a USB stick in (to boot from), my computer ignores all keypresses at bios
[16:20] <penguin42> Laney: Sigh, I've seen a machine do that
[16:21] <penguin42> Laney: I had to go hunting for a PS/2 keyboard last week and realised the only one was my own Model M, all the old keyboards had been chucked
[16:21] <Laney> uncool
[16:22] <penguin42> yeh
[16:22] <Laney> could be worse than a model m though
[16:22]  * Laney will just burn a DVD
[16:22] <Laney> want to test if the installer will be able to assemble my mdraid volume
[16:22]  * Laney eyes xnox
[16:22] <penguin42> Laney: Well the problem was I'd already burnt a CD and a DVD and both had bad blocks on them annoyingly far into the install, so then went to thumd drive
[16:22] <penguin42> Laney: What hardware ?
[16:22] <Laney> it's a p877-v
[16:23] <penguin42> oh completely different
[16:29] <Laney> ffs, would you believe that i only have cd-rs and not dvds :(
[16:29] <penguin42> Laney: It always happens that way
[16:39] <Laney> yay got it to boot from usb
[16:41] <penguin42> Laney: When it takes 4 or 5 attempts to install a machine it's always very very frustrating
[16:43] <Laney> nah this is going to be sweet
[16:43] <Laney> straight in, bish bash bosh robert is your mother's brother
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> or your father's brother
[16:48] <Laney> actually robert is my father
[16:48] <Laney> and my father's sister's husband
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> your father married his sister?!
[16:49] <Laney> not the same pers
[16:49] <Laney> damn
[16:49] <Laney> faster than me
[16:52] <popey> \o/ pancakes
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> canpakes!
[16:53] <popey> Sam just said "We should have these every day!"
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> Good idea Sam!
[16:56]  * popey explains netherlands to the kids
[16:56] <popey> MartijnVdS, do you play minecraft? (Sam wants to know)
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: I do not
[16:57] <penguin42> what exactly have you been telling them about the Netherlands?
[16:57] <popey> "Maybe he's like 'What _is_ minecraft!?'"
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: how could I not know what minecraft is, with you and my coworkers talking about it all the time :)
[16:59] <popey> :)
[16:59] <popey> "Coooool"
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://i.imgur.com/8bUjL.jpg
[17:40]  * Laney immediately removes everything apart from FF, home folder, workspace switcher from default launcher
[17:40] <Laney> ah, that new install smell
[17:43] <penguin42> popey: It's a shade of green isn't it?
[17:44] <popey> hmm?
[17:44] <penguin42> popey: Minecraft
[17:45] <popey> uhm
[17:45]  * MartijnVdS has home folder, chrome, terminal
[17:45] <penguin42> seem to get loads of 'minecraft themed' things that are just green and box shaped with a bit of brown splodgyness on
[18:21] <directhex> so who wants to port https://github.com/jlyonsmith/XnaBuildContent to linux?
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> .. you?
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> XNA sounds like an IBM network thing
[18:24] <directhex> token ring?
[18:26] <daftykins> 0o
[18:27] <daftykins> hey directhex - hope the sprog birth went well assuming it hath been and gone! :)
[18:27] <directhex> oh, yeah, ancient history
[18:27] <daftykins> i've been away a while :)
[18:28] <ali1234> directhex: what does that stuff actually do? what does "content building" mean?
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> it leverages synergetic community processes!
[18:29] <ali1234> what is "XNA content"
[18:29] <ali1234> is it like textures and meshes?
[18:29] <ali1234> looks like it
[18:29] <Laney> http://ubuntuone.com/2N0ruoYYAjAP1vyRSa9Y15
[18:30] <Laney> ssd ♥
[18:30] <directhex> ali1234, my understanding, and i could be wrong, is that XNA has a file format for game resources - i believe "xnb" - so content building would be the procedure for compiling an xnb from source formats
[18:30] <ali1234> yeah. it looks like mshtml all over again
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> or wmf
[18:30] <ali1234> no, not wmf
[18:30] <ali1234> well, maybe
[18:30] <ali1234> arguably, avi
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> emf then?
[18:31] <Laney> Windows Metafile
[18:31] <ali1234> oh yeah, i was thinking of wmv
[18:32] <ali1234> well, WMF is nothing like this. this is basically a proprietary zip file afaict
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> \o/ NIH
[18:33] <directhex> hm, i dunno, the description i'm reading makes it sound like the xnb file is a serialized .net object
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> There are 2 versions of ASF. 1.0, the used and unpublished format. And 2.0, which is the published and unused format.
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> Go wiki.multimedia.cx :)
[18:33] <directhex> which sounds more like WMF than i thought :p
[18:33] <ali1234> hmm
[18:33] <directhex> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb447756.aspx
[18:34] <ali1234> but any file can be "unserialized" into it's component parts
[18:34] <ali1234> eg a text file with a list of numbers... you could say that's a serialized array
[18:36] <directhex> well, sure, i think the point is you can treat the assets in an xnb as/with code directly
[18:36] <ali1234> a zip file is a serialized zip object... or at least if you implemented zip/unzip in an object oriented language, it would be
[18:37] <ali1234> "content document object model"
[18:37] <ali1234> ok, i don't want to read any more of this
[18:37] <ali1234> it's clearly insane
[18:38] <ali1234> it's one of those systems which has been designed to be so generic that it ends up doing absolutely nothing to reduce the amount of work you have to do, and it just ends up as another barrier to doing what you need to do.
[18:44]  * popey stabs windows
[18:44] <directhex> it's also used by a bunch of existing xna games. so either we port the content pipeline generation stuff, or those games need the content to be compiled on windows
[18:45] <ali1234> what are the barriers to porting it?
[18:45] <directhex> e.g. reasonably sure that xnb files wouldn't be considered acceptable in a source package
[18:45] <ali1234> i mean has anyone even checked to see if it just works?
[18:47] <directhex> there's an idea
[18:52] <directhex> huh, a cproj. didn't think xbuild did g++ stuff
[19:00] <popey> stupid windows anytime upgrade failed due to sp1 being half installed
[19:02]  * SuperEngineer celebrates his first Ubuntu1 referal upgrade ;)
[19:02] <popey> bah, sp1 fails to install when other disks are in the machine
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: pressured your parents into it eh?
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: Weird!
[19:03] <popey> following some online guide on ms.com
[19:03] <popey> seems known issue
[19:05] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: nah! spent some time whilst on sanity in Dartmouth removing sister's 10.04 & pushing her onto to 12.04... she was grateful ;)
[19:06] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: so grateful that she's noe thinkiong of having me move her Windows desktop to Ubuntu!
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> cool :)
[19:08] <SuperEngineer> that leaves just one target I set myself left to achieve...
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> and then?
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> back to alcohol?
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> I provide a lot of support around this area for pooter newbies
[19:09]  * popey tries to install SP1 again and goes to get a bloody mary to make it easier
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: try a virgin screwdriver instead!
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> one was a gut older than dinosaurs who bought a laptop from Pc World [spit] with windows7 on it....
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: windows 7 -- must be recent then :)
[19:10] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: He has a lot of tomato juice to drink
[19:11] <SuperEngineer> I agreed to support him as long as agreed to get jealous of me running Ubuntu on a netbook faster than he was running & on his laptop...
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: so.. a virgin bloody mary? :)
[19:11] <SuperEngineer> ....he's jealous & getting tempted ;)
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: "virgin screwdriver" = vodka + orange juice - vodka :)
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: "virgin screwdriver" = vodka in the hands of a mechanical apprentice
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: let's not reinforce stereotypes
[19:13] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: ;)
[19:19] <popey> \o/ sp1 installing
[19:19] <ali1234> xp sp1?
[19:20] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: p.s re pressured your parents - hmmm only with a grave digging-up shovlk methinks.  How old do you think I am for Chrisake ;)
[19:20] <ali1234> also, there's a referals for U1?
[19:20] <popey> Win7 SP1
[19:20] <popey> and yes, there is
[19:21] <ali1234> so the people i refer have to get a paid account?
[19:22] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: nope - just refer them
[19:22] <ali1234> cool
[19:25] <daftykins> far better to install Windows from already SP1'd media
[19:25] <daftykins> you can get links to legit media from mydigitallife google results
[19:25] <popey> that option wasn't available to me
[19:25] <popey> woot, now the anytime upgrade works
[19:25] <ali1234> mydigitallife isn't legit??
[19:25] <ali1234> is it?
[19:26] <daftykins> ali1234: it links to the digitalriver mirrors
[19:26] <daftykins> i.e. MS' official ones
[19:26] <ali1234> ah
[19:26] <daftykins> you can get Office versions the same way - handy for sorting peoples PCs
[19:26] <ali1234> i just get the md5sums from a tech blog and then get the isos from torrents
[19:26] <popey> oh ffs, failed again
[19:26] <daftykins> what's failing?
[19:27] <popey> windows anytime upgrade
[19:27] <popey> home premium to professional
[19:27] <ali1234> why do you even need that?
[19:27] <daftykins> system got internet connectivity?
[19:27] <popey> it does
[19:27] <popey> corp network stuff
[19:28] <daftykins> i install from flash drive these days - deleting the ei.cfg file in \sources lets you pick the right flavour without even entering a key
[19:28] <popey> I dont fancy installing again
[19:28] <daftykins> just this past hour done a reinstall of a laptop here in fact
[19:28] <daftykins> yeah, more power to you for next time though
[19:28] <ali1234> if they have a corporate network, don't they have corporate support?
[19:28] <ali1234> (to do this for you)
[19:28] <popey> no
[19:30]  * popey stabs CTRL+W
[19:30] <ali1234> speaking or corporate stuff
[19:30] <ali1234> i have a problem with a radius server
[19:31] <ali1234> client has a NAS and a VPN firewall in front of it
[19:31] <ali1234> the NAS has all the users set up on it, and exports them on radius
[19:31] <ali1234> the VPN picks up the users from radius
[19:31] <popey> oh, 5 more updates and a reboot after sp1
[19:31] <popey> jeez, i thought they'd fixed this update/reboot cycle
[19:32] <daftykins> haha, nope 121+
[19:32] <ali1234> that works, but the NAS says this: "RADIUS server only supports PAP, EAP-TLS/PAP, and EAP-TTLS/PAP authentication schemes for system user accounts."
[19:32] <daftykins> (after SP1, and IE9)
[19:32] <directhex> popey, lollerskates no. windows update is pain
[19:32] <ali1234> and when we try to cnnect the VPN, it only works if you disable encryption
[19:32] <ali1234> also ubuntu can't connect at all, because it won't allow you to disable the unsupported login methods
[19:32] <ali1234> not that they use ubuntu
[19:33] <ali1234> but... does anyone know ... which login methods should work with this, with encryption enabled?
[19:33] <ali1234> there's about 10 different types ...
[19:33] <popey> right, no more updates showing
[19:34] <popey> only optional ones. bing desktop (no thanks), silverlight, (not needed), and some hardware updates..
[19:34] <popey> s/hardware/driver/
[19:34] <popey> lets see if anytime works now
[19:34] <popey> oh yay! activate again!?
[19:34]  * Darael mutters imprecations at irssi-plugin-xmpp
[19:34] <popey> only did this like an hour ago, typing lengthy codes into a phone then typing more lengthy codes into my pc
[19:35] <daftykins> yeah that process is ridiculous
[19:35] <daftykins> at least it's better than it used to be in early XP days, no having to talk to a rep and convince them you have it installed only on one PC to start
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: sorry it took so long to find it: https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/referral-program-terms/
[19:36] <popey> oh, i put the wrong key in, the one from the box, it wants the anytime key
[19:36] <ali1234> SuperEngineer: popey already answered ages ago, but thanks
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: whoops!  too busy trying to find link ;)
[19:37] <ali1234> SuperEngineer: it's only 500MB a pop, i thought it was 500GB... which they probably wouldn't give away for free :)
[19:37] <popey> bah, looks like i need to phone them
[19:38] <daftykins> gotta love this one of a Windows install
[19:38] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/EgOlD.png
[19:39] <ali1234> yep, it always says that first time, even on a windows 7 sp1 install
[19:39] <daftykins> yeah i'm not saying i'm new to it
[19:40] <popey> bah, i have to do the phone thing _again_ !?
[19:40] <popey> this is mental
[19:40] <daftykins> :)
[19:41] <daftykins> *enters laptop's COA sticker key and activates*
[19:41] <daftykins> it's far easier not to be legit with Windows
[19:41] <daftykins> but i've not been a poor kid for a long time so i like legal :)
[19:42] <popey> this is all a pukka install
[19:42] <Laney> rewarded for your custom
[19:42] <popey> boxed copy and an online purchased anytime upgrade
[19:42] <popey> yeah
[19:42] <daftykins> yeah i'm not claiming it isn't
[19:42] <daftykins> just find it amusing how staying legit is harder
[19:44] <popey> right, so activated again..
[19:45] <popey> "The upgrade key is not valid"
[19:45] <popey> magic
[19:48] <directhex> my favourite windows experience lately: if you do Users on a non-C:\ drive, it works. however, if you have a folder named Users.bak on the target drive, it merges it into the newly created Users.
[19:49] <daftykins> how useful
[19:49] <daftykins> or did you not want that? :)
[19:49] <SuperEngineer> popey: if you need help, I can recommend an sys that won't give you all this trouble.  It's called Ubuntu... apparently it's rather good!
[19:50]  * SuperEngineer runs for cover :)
[19:50] <popey> unhelpful
[19:50] <directhex> daftykins, of course i didn't farking want that, it rolled all the old desktop icons & things into the new user! disaster!
[19:50] <daftykins> :D
[19:53] <popey> well, that was a waste of time
[19:55] <daftykins> still not playing ball?
[19:57] <popey> nope, says my key is invalid
[19:57] <popey> nothing I can do at this point
[19:58] <popey> yay, now my live account doesn't work
[20:02] <daftykins> sorry for the stupid question, but are you using the anytime upgrade app/link or the change product key one?
[20:03] <popey> i am using the wizard thing
[20:06] <Laney> what's louis walsh done?
[20:06] <Laney> much outrage on facebook
[20:07] <popey> no idea
[20:09] <popey> aaargh
[20:09]  * popey gives up
[20:09] <daftykins> i wonder if you can feed an anytime upgrade key to an edition of the right version you're going *to*
[20:09] <daftykins> probably not, but i'd be curious nonetheless
[20:10] <Darael> daftykins: Nope.  Tried it before, when reinstalling, in an attempt to cut a step out.  Didn't work.
[20:11] <daftykins> ah :)
[20:11] <daftykins> well there y'go
[20:11] <daftykins> thanks for the heads up
[20:11] <Darael> No worries.
[20:11] <popey> wtf, I just rebooted and now it's running win 7 professional!
[20:11] <daftykins> ;)
[20:12] <daftykins> i nearly suggested a restart. after you did the first fiddle the relevant services would no doubt have needed a refresh
[20:12] <Darael> Microsoft was secretly started in a decades-long plot to massively confuse popey.  Clearly.
[20:12] <daftykins> :D
[20:21] <jacobw> s/popey/world/
[20:31] <Azelphur> I think I just officially got the worst apology ever in the history of anything
[20:31] <Azelphur> "I'm sorry I was rude to you yesterday, even though you was wrong and it was entirely your fault"
[20:40]  * jacobw copies to 'lines to use later' book
[20:40] <Azelphur> xD
[20:55] <daubers> \o/ Just managed to create a terrible backronym for some webstuff I'm working on
[20:55] <Darael> Oh?  Prey, tell.
[20:56] <daubers> It's now called the Project Management Suite
[20:57] <Darael> Beaten to it in the software world:  There's the PS3 Media Server.
[20:57] <daubers> Don't care :p
[20:57] <Darael> It's still well done.
[20:58] <Darael> Or horribly badly done, depending how one looks at it.\
[20:59] <daubers> Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
[21:00] <daubers> For some reason dispersible asprin + caffeine + sugar makes me laugh like a maniac
[21:00] <Darael> Hmmm.  Eight out of ten on the maniacal laugh.
[21:02] <daubers> I used to have many arguments about whether you should start Mwahahahaha or Muahahahaha
[21:02] <daubers> seemed a bit symantically silly really
[21:02] <Darael> Then there's the Bwahahahaha school...
[21:03] <daubers> Now Bwahahahahaha always seemed to hint at a bit of a lower class insane genius
[21:03] <daubers> Muahahahaha has an air of eccentricity
[21:03] <jacobw> bwa(ha)+, seriously??
[21:04] <jacobw> it's so mwa(ha)+
[21:04] <Darael> I've seen it.  Doesn't mean I agree with it.
[21:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:06] <AlanBell> o/
[21:06] <daubers> 22:00 in the Big Ubuntu-UK house and all sanity has been lost
[21:06] <AlanBell> how was skynet?
[21:07] <AlanBell> is judgement day inevitable?
[21:07] <daubers> Why the hell didn't I realise that super+tab is better than alt+tab these days
[21:10] <popey> it is?
[21:10] <Darael> Because it's not been very-loudly-and-widely talked about and it's not particularly discoverable save by accident?
[21:11] <daubers> When i'm trying to target a specific app it's better (rather than previous window)
[21:15] <ali1234> and because most people don't use either of them anyway
[21:27] <AlanBell> I guess you are supposed to click on the launcher icon, or touch it on a touchscreen
[21:34] <SuperEngineer> ..well you could do that i suppose... but what's wrong with just pointing at it from the other side of the room & have it open... works for me
[21:34]  * bigcalm slithers back from phpnw12
[21:34] <Darael> SuperEngineer: Most people can't point with sufficient accuracy?
[21:35] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[21:37] <ali1234> users won't remember keyboard shortcuts, read instructions written on the screen, and half of them can't even click on a button smaller than 100x100
[21:37]  * SuperEngineer remembers bathroom window is still open - points at window, window closes ;)
[21:37] <Darael> Bah, users, who'd have 'em.
[21:37] <ali1234> if you can do any of those things you're probably the local computer expert
[21:38] <Darael> Don't forget "use a search engine effectively for things other than finding sites one already knows the name of".
[21:39] <Darael> A bit wordy.  But something the modal user doesn't seem to be able to do, certainly.
[21:43] <AlanBell> yeah, still hurts to see people type bbc.co.uk into google
[21:44] <SuperEngineer> I asked someone why they did exactly that... they're reply: 2because it works"... hmmmm
[21:45] <SuperEngineer> *because
[21:45] <plums> connect
[21:48] <Darael> That's probably the real reason for Chrom{e,ium}'s "omnibox".
[21:49] <Darael> Because people don't consistently use either the search box or the address bar as intended, even when they get the difference.
[21:50]  * SuperEngineer was up and about at 4 a.m. - time for bed now... see yous all later folkies
[21:50]  * SuperEngineer points at bed... bed floats to SuperEngineer
[21:50] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[21:51] <brobostigon> family guy, star wars special, bbc3, :), stewie as vader, lol. :)
[21:59] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[22:10] <daftykins> i tried to tell students of their craziness searching for domains too, horrifying really :S
[22:14] <Darael> In a lot of academic settings the web is already URL-filtered.  Create a block page that picks up anything that looks like a Google search string with q=<some regex to match a domain> and tells them "that is not what a search engine is for"?  Cruel, but amusing and good for them.
[22:15] <daftykins> ;)
[22:16] <daftykins> makes me wonder where things'll get to, once almost everything is simplified
[22:31]  * BigRedS believes that transferring tedious work to the computer is a good thing
[22:32] <daftykins> not sure that googling domains counts there though :D
[22:33] <Darael> Googling domains /increases/ number of clicks needed.
[22:34] <BigRedS> Well, yes, but I very much like the idea of one bar which I type into and it gives me what I asked for
[22:34] <BigRedS> whether that's a domain or a search string
[22:35] <daftykins> yeah, that part does help
[22:36] <Darael> Hence the chrom{e,ium} omnibox.  Or, indeed, the functionality that Firefox has had for ages that does much the same thing.
[22:36] <daftykins> me and Darael are more speaking of those that open a browser, probably type 'google' into the address bar, click google US/UK then type say, bbc, then hit that result ;)
[22:36] <Darael> And, considering they've rarely changed the default search provider, they're probably going through Bing to get to Google.
[22:36] <daftykins> ja!
[22:38] <Darael> So it's addressbar*click*->"google"->*click* on "go"->*click* link to Google->*click* search box->type domain->*click* "Google Search"->*click* link to site.
[22:38] <Darael> In the worst case.
[22:39] <Darael> Which is six clicks and two rounds of typing for something that could be one or no clicks and one lot of typing.
[22:40] <Darael> It would appear I've picked up the habit of using <enter> as punctuation.  Oh, dear.
[22:48] <daftykins> >:)
[22:48] <daftykins> i won't hold it against you... yet


[10:10] <xivulon> evand do I need to open a bug report wrt http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/1/9/50 ?
[10:31] <evand> xivulon: given the low priority of it, we already have the workaround of formatting the underlying file in place, I imagine the kernel team would rather wait for such a patch to entire the mainline kernel.
[10:31] <evand> Of course you're welcome to ask them, and a bug would be a good way of doing it.
[10:42] <xivulon> evand not sure whether that affects other I/O operations
[10:42] <xivulon> it might even fix suspend-to-ram...
[10:46] <evand> they're definitely not going to want to apply a patch unless the benefits are known to occur, rather than it maybe fixing an issue.
[10:46] <evand> but again, don't let me speak for them :)
[10:48] <xivulon> hmm "It's hard to attempt to guarentee data safety"... That affects wubi but also Xen and VMs
[16:26] <CIA-22> ubiquity: evand * r2413 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[16:26] <CIA-22> ubiquity: * Changed the system partition unformatted check to a warning, in support of
[16:26] <CIA-22> ubiquity:  ubiquity-preserve-home.
[16:27] <CIA-22> ubiquity: evand * r2414 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo
[18:32] <matttp> Good morning.


[10:14] <Nico__> Bonjour
[10:15] <Nico__> Je ne m'en sort pas avec lubuntu. J'ai des sessions au demarrage celle avec laquelle je suis ici es la session invité
[10:15] <Nico__> l'autre es administratrice et je ne sais rien faire sur mon pc qui soi enregisté
[10:15] <Nico__> même un simple traitement de texte
[12:29] <llogiq> Hi folks. While debugging a WLAN problem, I had to update my system's BIOS. Because Lenovo only supplies a Windows-based update tool, I had to run a Windows PE. However, since the update, my LUbuntu will no longer boot.
[12:30] <llogiq> I have a Vivid on a USB stick, but I don't want to overwrite my current utopic setup unless it's absolutely necessary, so installing is not an option.
[12:33] <llogiq> The current setup has 4 partitions. The first two appear to be EFI/boot related, the third is swap and the fourth contains my user data.
[12:35] <llogiq> Alas, the system does not seem to notice that it has a bootable partition on hard disk. How can I repair the boot?
[12:44] <llogiq> I see that (probably Windows PE) has removed the boot flags from the EFI partitions. I'm trying to set them using gparted.
[12:47] <llogiq> Now I get a plain grub prompt.
[12:47] <llogiq> Not much, but it's an improvement from not booting anything at all.
[12:49] <llogiq> Ah, apparently it needs to boot from the second partition, so I'll remove the boot flag from the first.
[12:53] <llogiq> I hope I won't have to do this again for a loooong time.


[00:11] <fazer> balloons, are you still here?
[00:16] <fazer> Does anyone know how to fix this error: sqlite3.OperationalError: table schemaVersion already exists
[00:24] <balloons> smajevicirfan, i believe launchpad docs tell you
[00:30] <mcinitreevan> balloons: Can I get some more time on this task? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6125765456297984/ I had some VM issues and Im still trying to get it to actually work, I have most of the code written but there's something somewhere I didnt do so it doesnt work
[00:32] <smajevicirfan> balloons, the thing is heat only includes subscribers and duplicates from the 3 listed for the filtering the iso tracker task
[00:33] <smajevicirfan> and not the number of comments
[01:30] <balloons> mcinitreevan, time added
[01:30] <balloons> smajevicirfan, I guess I'm missing the context here a little bit
[01:31] <balloons> if you want to ask about filtering, talk to flocculant, as he knows what he wants specifically on that
[01:31] <balloons> I can help more on the technical end :-)
[01:31] <balloons> leaving a message might be best
[01:32] <balloons> mcinitreevan, I see the time rolled over, but you have plenty of time for this round ;-)
[01:34] <mcinitreevan> balloons: Haha yeah I re-accepted the task, Im so determined to figure this out, it's kinda hard with no official documentation to go off of though
[01:40] <fazer> balloons, looks like I'm not quite done. I keep getting this error:    sqlite3.OperationalError: table 'schemaVersion' already exists
[01:41] <fazer> sorry for bailing earlier btw, I had to go study for my final exams and do other work at home
[01:43] <balloons> fazer, where are you getting that error?
[01:44] <fazer> balloons, when I run my test
[01:44] <fazer> at this line:     cur.executescript(sql)
[01:44] <fazer> in _patch_mediascanner_home()
[01:44] <balloons> oh well, it would be nice to run the branch myself and see :-)
[01:44] <balloons> or a full log. It's hard to guess at this point
[01:45] <balloons> however, it sounds like you need to modify the patch. Don't have it create that table again
[01:45] <balloons> but it's confusing because we copied over the existing table which works with that patch
[01:46] <fazer> which is what I was wondering.
[01:51] <balloons> so pushing your changes to a branch would help immensely at this point
[01:51] <balloons> have you finished writing the other bits?
[01:51] <balloons> so once this works it'll be all set or?
[01:53] <fazer> Yup, I believe so.
[01:53] <fazer> I'll push to a branch now
[02:06] <malevasquez> Heyy
[02:09] <fazer> balloons, this is my branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~vamrocks602/music-app/test-empty-library
[02:14] <balloons> fazer, ok I have to call it a night now, but can look tomorrow. Leave it in a comment on your task for the other mentors :-)
[02:14] <balloons> sounds like it's really close
[02:15] <fazer> sure, no problem. I'll do that. yeah, I hope so.
[02:23] <ElijahEllis> Hi I am currently working on this task: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1524027 and I was wondering if I am to make the html app an exact copy stylistically, should i be changing the app.css or editing */ubuntu-html5-ui-toolkit/0.1/ambiance/css/appTemplate.css/SASS
[02:38] <ElijahEllis> It seems like editing the ui-toolkit is a beyond the scope of this project but it's not up to me to make that decision
[02:39] <ElijahEllis> but editing the app.css on the might unessecarily convolute the template
[02:50] <ElijahEllis> but editing the app.css on the might unessecarily convolute the template
[03:49] <Nis> Up
[03:49] <Nis> Rl
[06:58] <wxl> first time at gci, and we're already at the top of the heap for completed tasks!
[06:58] <wxl> good job admins, mentors, and students!!!!!
[07:10] <darkxst> wxl, I reckon 50% of students I have dealt with already ran ubuntu
[07:11] <wxl> that's fantastic, darkxst. i admit to not having discussed it much with my students.
[07:11] <wxl> too busy getting work done XD
[07:12] <darkxst> I'm just guessing from there reports
[07:13] <darkxst> and quite a lot have said they do, but wanted to try Ubuntu GNOME etc
[07:13] <wxl> ah cool
[07:15] <darkxst> one even said he gave his Ubuntu GNOME livecd to his teacher, so had to make a new VM.
[07:16] <wxl> nice
[07:16] <MatthewAllen> I've got it on my Laptop for school and running it through a VM for codein on my desktop, don't know anyone else from my school that runs it though
[07:21] <darkxst> MatthewAllen, there have been a few, but probably they are in different countries to you ;)
[14:05] <mcinitreevan> wxl: Wow, how many tasks done so far?
[15:05] <DiegoTc> balloons, jose, popey I think we have a lot of Install Ubuntu task
[15:06] <DiegoTc> we should have a hangout for trying to explain different task to students, probably that's the reason their are not getting them
[15:25] <rob1507> Hi, pls can you review my task I cannot move on
[15:25] <rob1507> And deadline is 3 days so in case of error I will not have time
[15:27] <DiegoTc> rob1507: which is your task?
[15:28] <rob1507> Port your favorite go program for snappy using snapcraft
[15:30] <DiegoTc> rob1507: that's a cool task, but I can't help you on that one
[15:31] <DiegoTc> are you familiar with Raspberry or Beaglebone?
[15:31] <balloons> rob1507, I am working on it this morning ;-)
[15:33] <xcub> hey robert1507, do you know how to include the dependencies for the go application
[15:33] <xcub> in the .yaml file
[15:34] <balloons> rob1507, did you manage to publish your snap file?>
[15:34] <rob1507> Yes
[15:34] <xcub> no, where do i publish it to, the Ubuntu Software Cetner
[15:35] <rob1507> Xcub, github
[15:36] <xcub> snappy can't locate the package if it isn't inside the ubuntu software archives
[15:37] <balloons> rob1507, weird I'm not finding the app in the store
[15:37] <rob1507> Look it on github =D in store t was not published
[15:37] <xcub> @balloons, are we supposed to publish the .snap package or the .yaml file?
[15:38] <balloons> xcub, it would be nice to get the snap package uploaded in the store
[15:38] <balloons> For the task, I'd like both to check your work
[15:38] <xcub> doesn't it need to go through a review proces
[15:38] <balloons> did you test the app rob1507, and if so, how?
[15:39] <balloons> xcub, yes, but it's an automated review.
[15:39] <rob1507> No I havent tested
[15:39] <balloons> should be quick
[15:39] <rob1507> Baloons, I need some review to identify my errors
[15:39] <balloons> rob1507, what does it do? Seems like it's an example application
[15:40] <balloons> rob1507, yes, I'm looking it over now
[15:40] <xcub> so if the package is published to the ubuntu software center, I would just run "sudo snappy install gochatapp"
[15:40] <xcub> on snappy
[15:40] <balloons> xcub, you would publish to myapps
[15:40] <balloons> xcub, so https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/?format=snap .  Read https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/
[15:41] <balloons> so it would be sudo snappy install gochatapp
[15:42] <xcub> snappy packages can only be built on ubuntu core operating systems right? So if I try to run "sudo snappy install gochatapp" it wouldn't be able to install the app
[15:43] <xcub> *If i try to run it on 15.10 it will not work?
[15:44] <balloons> xcub, you can run snappy locally via kvm, to give you a taste of what it's like on a device
[15:44] <balloons> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/#snappy-local
[15:45] <balloons> snappy is basically a minimial ubuntu image, where apps can be installed as snapps, and there is security, atomic upgrades and rollback. Things apt doesn't provide
[15:45] <balloons> Reading https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ should help
[15:48] <rob1507> balloons, are there many errors in my work?
[15:50] <xcub> uploaded the package yesterday, and it says that the automated process got 12 errors. It says I don't have any current approved version
[15:51] <balloons> rob1507, yes you are missing some hooks it seems
[15:51] <balloons> xcub, ohh, what errors did you get?
[15:52] <xcub> All 12 fails were the same: No JSON object could be decoded. Value: "ERROR: could not find required 'hooks' in manifest: {'architecture': ['amd64'], 'description': 'Go and Angular.js Chat Application using Socket.io', 'framework': 'ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1', 'icon': 'meta/icon.png', 'installed-size': '8157', 'maintainer': 'Daniyaal Rasheed <radonapps
[15:52] <xcub> @gmail.com>', 'name': 'gochatapp', 'title': 'Go and Angular.js Chat Application using Socket.io', 'version': '1'} ". click-check-security
[15:52] <rob1507> balloons, can you give some advice what to do next?
[15:52] <rob1507> I also had those errors
[15:54] <rob1507> It is hard to find a program to find basic snap as in examples
[15:54] <balloons> rob1507, just checking to see how it runs inside snappy
[15:54] <balloons> we'll need to fix the metadata to start with
[15:55] <balloons> Comparing with the examples, what looks different about your metadata?
[15:55] <rob1507> balloons, it is the start :D
[15:55] <balloons> rob1507, the goal isn't to find the simplest program to package, but to package something you find interesting :-)
[15:56] <xcub> the ap i am trying to package is this one: https://github.com/trustmaster/gochat
[15:58] <rob1507> balloons, ok can I choose another program?
[15:58] <balloons> rob1507, you most certainly may yes
[15:58] <xcub> And i'm confused about what else to include beside
[15:58] <xcub> parts:
[15:58] <balloons> rob1507, xcub, want to /join #snappy
[15:58] <xcub> gochat-main:
[15:58] <balloons> there's some folks in there who can help us
[15:58] <xcub> ok
[16:00] <Rob1507> xcub, let's try now to ask them
[16:05] <Rob1507> balloons, I don't understand, if I choose go project from github, and everthing needed is written here should I have more than 1 part
[16:07] <balloons> more than 1 part?
[16:07] <balloons> you are creating the packaging bits
[16:11] <Rob1507> balloons, in case of webcam example parts are server and webcam, right?
[16:16] <balloons> yes, that sounds right
[17:55] <Girish> https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4843721241657344/
[17:56] <Girish> Submitted for review.
[17:57] <Girish> Also balloons, I have an exam tomorrow so wouldn't be able to work on the READMEs today. Will catch up tomorrow.
[17:58] <balloons> Girish, I was thinking about how you were doing
[17:58] <Girish> btw, even after upgrade I'm getting the same error: Couldnt find QtQuick 2.3
[17:59] <balloons> that doesn't sound fun. I will do the other README tasks right now. I've yet to get to them and I owe you
[18:00] <balloons> it might be worth just moving forward. Someone else can try and get those dependencies added. Your readme's are already a big improvement
[18:00] <balloons> heck, just installing everything in debian/control does work, so :-)
[18:00] <balloons> you can always just say do that, heh
[18:02] <Girish> I also made the terminal READMEs when I was doing the calendar ones. I need to review them as my calendar ones weren't exactly correct the first time. I'll review them and send them to you tomorrow.
[18:04] <balloons> Girish, sounds excellent. Thanks again for taking on these tasks!
[18:07] <Girish> Np! :)
[18:10]  * balloons is slowly adding the other tasks. They'll all be under the readme tag
[18:36] <balloons> done and added
[18:53] <Rob1507> balloons, I've got pass in click-review :D what I should do now? Just upload?
[18:53] <balloons> Rob1507, ohh excellent. Yea, I'd give it an upload, and try it out on snappy
[18:54] <Rob1507> Upload on store, right?
[18:54] <balloons> Rob1507, yea, on myapps
[18:54] <balloons> Rob1507, also, elopio could have another look if you'd like
[18:55] <Rob1507> I talked to him he said that in myapps it will pass too
[18:56] <balloons> Rob1507, ok, so to complete the task, it would be great to have the snap in the store. What app did you end up choosing?
[18:57] <Rob1507> balloons, The same app I submitted first time. If you want I can change app now, I understood what I am doing, so if you wish I can change
[18:58] <balloons> Rob1507, ohh. I only mention it because I think the first app you did probably doesn't need to go to the store eh? It doesn't do anything right? Just an example?
[18:59] <Rob1507> It is hard to find an app actually :D but I find some kind of number type converter. I can try to work it out
[19:00] <Rob1507> balloons, can I submit this for task and then do another program. Just to have some useful thing done?
[19:01] <balloons> Rob1507, yes, no worries. The goal was for you to learn a little about snapcraft
[19:01] <Rob1507> balloons, I am submitting this and I promise to write another one for a useful program :D
[19:02] <balloons> If you want to post the completed snap again, and submit for review that would be fine
[19:02] <Rob1507> Is number type converter good one?
[19:03] <Rob1507> balloons, only snap on GCI website?
[19:03] <balloons> Rob1507, the folks in #snappy might have a good idea for something
[19:04] <Rob1507> balloons, ok, ask for program there then?
[19:05] <balloons> yea, see what ideas they have
[19:12] <Miaomato> Hi~
[19:12] <Miaomato> i am doing the task https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4816928648462336/
[19:12] <Rob1507> balloons, submitted
[19:13] <Miaomato> but i can't find where to leave a comment on lp
[19:13] <balloons> tsimonq2, ^^
[19:14] <balloons> Rob1507, I still see it as more work needed: https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4559311409774592/
[19:16] <Rob1507> balloons, I think my network was a problem. Any changes now?
[19:21] <balloons> Rob1507, got it. Snap looks good as well
[19:23] <Rob1507> balloons, Thanks very much. I will send you another one after finding good program to snap, today or tomorrow.
[19:47] <Rob1507> balloons, how to send the snap to you?
[19:58] <Rob1507> balloons, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4184/
[20:01] <balloons> Rob1507, send the snap? what did you call it>
[20:01] <Rob1507> balloons, I will send it now
[20:02] <balloons> I saw you attached the new snap on submission
[20:02] <Rob1507> balloons, how to send?
[20:03] <Rob1507> balloons, as for GCI task, my work was approved. As for new snap, I will send it shortly
[20:04] <Rob1507> balloons, I published an app on myapps
[20:05] <balloons> ack
[20:06] <Rob1507> how can you see it?
[20:10] <balloons> Rob1507, you can see it too. Install snappy and then grab it from the store
[20:10] <Rob1507> balloons, Is it working? :D
[20:12] <balloons> Rob1507, what's the name of the app?
[20:12] <Rob1507> ytdl-snapcraft
[20:13] <Rob1507> sudo snappy install ytdl-snapcraft right?
[20:15] <balloons> Rob1507, a third party interface to the store is here: https://uappexplorer.com/apps?type=snappy
[20:16] <Rob1507> and there is no ytdl
[20:19] <Rob1507> balloons, i will send you a .snap
[20:48] <Rob1507> balloons, How can I access people from Ubuntu GNOME Marketing team?
[20:48] <balloons> Rob1507, perhaps contacting the team, or asking in #ubuntu-gnome
[20:48] <Rob1507> ok
[20:49] <Rob1507> balloons, thanks a lot for your support
[21:37] <fazer> ahayzen, I tried the command you suggested in the comments : CREATE TABLE IF EXISTS 'schemaVersion' (Version integer )
[21:37] <fazer> but it doesn't recoggnize 'IF' as  a command, and I'm also getting the same error as earlier: no such table schemaVersion
[21:49] <tsimonq2> balloons: hm?
[21:53] <fazer> sorry, to fix my last message: it says- table schemaVersion already exists
[22:03] <fazer> ahayzen, I created a base class like you suggested and inherited from it whatever I needed.
[22:05] <fazer> But, the error I was getting earlier, has not been affected, I'm aware that that wasn't the point of making that change but I don't know how to fix this.
[22:11] <Miaomato> tsimonq2: For the task i am doing, i found out i installed the wrong version of lubuntu image Ծ‸Ծ So don't worry i solved it !
[22:12] <Miaomato> But i can't find where to report bug at launch pad...
[22:13] <wxl> Miaomato: you can do it with the ubuntu-bug command
[22:13] <wxl> Miaomato: just ubuntu-bug <package>
[22:13] <wxl> Miaomato: e.g. ubuntu-bug evince
[22:15] <Miaomato> wxl: ok, thank you.
[22:15] <ahayzen> fazer, try just removing the create tabel command
[22:15] <wxl> Miaomato: no problem!
[22:18] <fazer> ahayzen, but leave the Delete from command? OR get rid of that too?
[22:21] <fazer> ahayzen, without the CREATE TABLE command I get an error saying that the table doesn't exist, both with and without the delete from command
[22:37] <xcub> HI balloons, I've submitted my package to the software center, but it won't show up yet. Can I just send you the .snap file
[22:39] <ahayzen> fazer, did you try doing the create table with the if exists...and then doing the delete from as well?
[22:40] <knome> without knowing what you are exactly talking about, how would "CREATE TABLE IF EXISTS..." even make sense?
[22:40] <knome> if would only ever try to create a table which already exists, which isn't possible
[22:40] <knome> wouldn't a "CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS..." statement make more sense?
[22:42] <fazer> ahayzen, yes I did, it didn't recognize the IF as a viable command
[22:42] <xcub> elopio, can you review my task https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5486692492378112/
[22:43] <ahayzen> hmmm yeah it would be if not exists as knome said :-)
[22:43] <fazer> it returned a syntax error and in my text editor (gedit) it didn't color it the same as the rest of the commands. Although that probably doesn't mean much
[22:43] <fazer> Yeah, that's what I thought is was supposed to be.
[22:44] <fazer> let me try
[22:45] <fazer> ok that worked, now it gives me the same error, but for a different table. This time for media_attic and media
[22:46] <fazer> ahayzen, I would assume that the IF NOT EXISTS solution wouldn't be viable here as we want to override the previous values and have it be empty.
[22:47] <knome> if you want to purge the table, then it's better to delete the table and create it; you don't need any IF statements if you know the table doesn't exist (it doesn't since you just deleted it)
[22:47] <ahayzen> fazer, yeah you'd still need the delete from after...
[22:48] <fazer> ok, makes sense.
[22:48] <ahayzen> if you look at the other one if does a DROP then CREATE TABLE for the media table
[22:48] <fazer> ok, I'll attempt that.
[22:49] <ahayzen> fazer, have you seen what happens if you do not inject any database?
[22:49] <ahayzen> does mediascanner automatically have an empty database, or does it have data from other places in it?
[22:49] <fazer> I'm not sure. I havent attempted that.
[22:50] <knome> you can also truncate the table if you know the schema is correct
[22:50] <knome> that only deletes the data, not the table
[22:50] <knome> then you don't need to re-create it
[22:54] <fazer> ahayzen knome, if I try to either truncate or drop before the create, it says it doesn't exist, but at the create it throws an error saying that it already exists?!
[22:54] <ahayzen> \o/
[22:55] <knome> fazer, what are you actually working on and do you have your code available somewhere?
[22:55] <fazer> knome I'm writing a test for the music-app
[22:56] <ahayzen> knome, for the music-app we have to inject a database into mediascanner when we are mocking the data (as its gets the locations wrong)
[22:56] <fazer> my branch is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~vamrocks602/music-app/test-empty-library
[22:56] <ahayzen> but fazer is working on making a test when the library is empty (to check the UI has the empty state components displayed)
[22:56] <fazer> currently, I'm trying to get mediascanner to use a blank database.
[22:56] <fazer> yup, thats right.
[22:57] <knome> fazer, could you point me to the file you are working with?
[22:58] <ahayzen> knome, this is what is done currently on the database ... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/music_app/content/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.sql ... and this is the one fazer is working on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vamrocks602/music-app/test-empty-library/view/962/tests/autopilot/music_app/content/mediascanner-2.0/blank_mediastore.sql
[22:58] <fazer> here: https://code.launchpad.net/~vamrocks602/music-app/test-empty-library
[22:58] <fazer> knome, I mean here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vamrocks602/music-app/test-empty-library/view/head:/tests/autopilot/music_app/content/mediascanner-2.0/blank_mediastore.sql
[22:58] <fazer> oh ok.
[22:59] <hjarrell> balloons, Where can I find the source for the ubuntuqa bot?
[22:59] <knome> ok... so which file has the problems... or both?
[22:59] <ahayzen> fazer, i'm starting to wonder if you can just skip the injection and it'll be ok, assuming mediascanner2 hasn't picked anything up
[22:59] <ahayzen> knome, the blank one is the failing one
[22:59] <knome> i see
[23:00] <knome> so the file starts with create table
[23:00] <knome> shouldn't it start with either truncate (which empties) or delete and then create?
[23:02] <fazer>  it only creates if not exists
[23:02] <fazer> the same outcome is reached.
[23:02] <knome> "CREATE TABLE 'schemaVersion' (version INTEGER);"
[23:03] <fazer> oh, I just pushed those changes sorry
[23:03] <fazer> you might have to reload
[23:05] <knome> and the error is what?
[23:05] <fazer> table already exists if the drop table command is removed
[23:06] <fazer> and table doesn't exist if the drop table command is there
[23:06] <fazer> table being media and media_attic
[23:06] <knome> oh, ok
[23:06] <knome> drop table if exists ...
[23:10] <balloons> hjarrell, I don't know that it exists outside of production actually. You mean the bot that goes for lp bugs?
[23:10] <ahayzen> fazer, I also wonder what would happen if you take out the call to the patching of the database (as that is only really done because the paths are to the wrong location) so as you have not content it might already be blank
[23:10] <ahayzen> fazer, that would mean removing the call self._patch_mediascanner_home(content_dir, mediascannerpath) in your _create_empty_music_library()
[23:11] <hjarrell> balloons, Yeah the bot that comments on the lp bugs with the link to the iso page.
[23:12] <balloons> hjarrell, the person to ask would be stgraber, but not sure if / when he'll be around
[23:12] <fazer> ahayzen, trying that now.
[23:12] <balloons> hey knome, ahayzen, fazer.
[23:12] <knome> hullo balloons
[23:12] <fazer> hello.
[23:12] <ahayzen> balloons, o/
[23:12]  * knome pops a few
[23:12] <balloons> are you thinking of just not mocking the db, as mediascanner presumably will do it
[23:13] <ahayzen> balloons, yeah that's what i'm thinking
[23:13] <balloons> I like that idea
[23:13] <ahayzen> balloons, IIRC the injected one was only so we could fix the path names from /home/user/Music -> /tmp/tmpfolder/Music/
[23:14] <balloons> ahayzen, correct. And lol, you are right. We don't need or want any media. We literally don't need to do anything
[23:14] <ahayzen> yup :-)
[23:14] <ahayzen> just as long as there isn't anything already in there it should be ok :-)
[23:15] <hjarrell> balloons, Can I just email, https://launchpad.net/~stgraber, and ask him about it?
[23:16] <fazer> ok, now I get a autopilot.processSearchError that originates when I run self.app = MusicApp(self.Launcher()) in my MusicAppTestCase class
[23:16] <ahayzen> that sounds like the music-app isn't starting correctly
[23:16] <balloons> hjarrell, yes
[23:16] <ahayzen> fazer, can you pastebin the full output ?
[23:16] <balloons> hjarrell, is it stopping you on a task or ?
[23:17]  * balloons is making dinner, feel free to ping
[23:17] <balloons> I think you are in good hands with ahayzen
[23:17] <fazer> balloons yes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14040202/
[23:17] <fazer> ahayzen ^
[23:17] <hjarrell> balloons, The task is to modify the bot so it adds the product in the message with the iso link
[23:18] <balloons> hjarrell, ahh right!
[23:18] <ElijahEllis> I'm currently working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1524027, I'm wondering if there is a way to access package/project name information for a html5 project so I can add it to the title/header. The only reason for this is so it wont be a static value like "Project name"
[23:18] <ElijahEllis> by the way, hi guys
[23:18] <ahayzen> fazer, 'terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what():  unable to open database file' .. \o/
[23:18] <balloons> hjarrell, hmm. again, stgraber would know offhand. i'll have to dig.
[23:20] <ElijahEllis> it looks like the manifest.json and <proj-name>.desktop contain that information but I'm not sure if I would be able to parse that succinctly
[23:20] <balloons> so hjarrell, one  thing that is admin controllable in the tracker if you will is the bug comment
[23:21] <balloons> you can see it in the admin section of the qatracker
[23:21] <fazer> ahayzen : ok, so it's still trying to open the database? to stop it from trying t oaccess it would I have to get rid of my entire _create_empty_music_library() method?
[23:21] <ahayzen> fazer, the application will try to access the database when it starts, so its telling us something is wrong with the db
[23:22] <balloons> hjarrell, so it might better to nab a different task for now. Remind me if I don't remember to have a better look tomorrow.
[23:22] <balloons> sorry about that
[23:22] <ahayzen> fazer, hmm ok well you may have to inject an empty one then :-/ maybe ms2 doesn't generate one in the temporary directory that is used
[23:23] <fazer> ahayzen ok, so then we do hav....... ok
[23:23] <hjarrell> balloons, Its okay I can always re-select this task later.
[23:23] <balloons> right-o
[23:24] <ahayzen> fazer, what is the platform you are running on again ?
[23:24] <fazer> wily
[23:24] <fazer> 15.10
[23:25] <fazer> bvut I have mediascanner packages from xenial
[23:25] <ahayzen> coolio :-) and doing qmlscene app/music-app.qml works? ... ah yes i remember now
[23:25] <fazer> yup.
[23:27] <ahayzen> fazer, ok, i think for now continue down the injecting route, i'll have a chat with Victor (the other music-app dev) to see what he thinks as he usually deals with the sql db part :-)
[23:27] <fazer> ahayzen: ok, I'll see what I can do about it. I think i'm close, but.. who knows? anyway, thank you.
[23:28] <ahayzen> fazer, don't worry, mediascanner is really fiddly to setup a mocked environment, it took us ages to get it right. I looked at your other bits and the main autopilot code looks like it should work once the mocking works :-)
[23:29] <fazer> ahayzen: cool, good to hear.   :D
[23:30] <ElijahEllis> I also looked into this https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/html5/sdk-15.04.1/RuntimeApi.RuntimeApi/ but i get Application name: ubuntu-html5-app-launcher every time


[23:55] <sudokill> ...
[23:55] <sudokill> anyway#
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: i prefer lxde, less fluff
[23:55] <tanath> sudokill: k3b is more reliable for instance, in my experience
[23:56] <sudokill> good
[23:56] <tanath> why is empathy showing offline contacts even though that's unticked?
[23:56] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip: lxde, is that lubuntu?
[23:56] <sudokill> ActionParsnip, lxde reminds me of win95 lol
[23:56] <lucus> please help somebody. Running on Natty 64 bit, when I want to safely remove a usb hard disk there is a kernel panic... Where can I start to look? On Maverick this never happened
[23:56] <sudokill> might as well use xmonad or some other wm
[23:56] <teage> what is the command to install i386 on 64 bit? I can't remember.
[23:57] <tanath> yikes.
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: no,its lxde. lubuntu just uses lxde by default
[23:57] <sudokill> hence the l
[23:57] <ultrixx> teage: what do you mean?
[23:57] <Guest82965> recovery mode fails to mount / . what do I do?
[23:57] <sudokill> teage just install ubuntu there is no command
[23:57] <teage> 32 bit package to install on 64 bit machine ultrixx
[23:57] <sudokill> just download the iso u want
[23:57] <tanath> anyone know why i can't reorder apps on bottom gnome panel after upgrading to 11.04?
[23:58] <sudokill> and burn to disk, with brasero lol
[23:58] <renoteck> Hello, the x server don?t starts on this video card: Intel 82845G
[23:58] <teage> sudokill it says wrong archit and I have installed them before with force install or something I cant remember the exact command
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> renoteck: which release?
[23:59] <sudokill> teage, have u got a 32 btit cpu?
[23:59] <sudokill> i take it
[23:59] <Evanescence> package dependencies *unmet* http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10876660#post10876660 ; ask for help
[23:59] <teage> sudokill nope
[23:59] <renoteck> Kubuntu 10.4
[23:59] <sudokill> teage what iso r u using?
[23:59] <renoteck> it?s old
[23:59] <lucus> please help somebody. Running on Natty 64 bit, when I want to safely remove a usb hard disk there is a kernel panic... Where can I start to look? On Maverick this never happened
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> renoteck: its still as supported as the newest


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[04:30] <ChinnoDog> There is a Canadian Aboriginal word for "three-legged being (e.g. a dog who has lost a leg)".  How cool is that?
[04:32] <ChinnoDog> I want to set my nick to ᐊᑎᒧᓂᐢᑐᑳᐟ. I think that is a three legged dog.
[07:15] <InHisName> my ubunmtu 1.04 froze up again even with low res graphics running.  Cannot get it UNfrozen.  Other than long push on power.
[09:40] <JonathanD> MOrning PA.
[09:45] <rmg51> morning jon
[09:45] <rmg51> to early
[09:46] <rmg51> forgot the press tab
[09:47] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:47] <JonathanD> yeah, early is right.
[09:48] <rmg51> and no rain this morning, so what got you up?
[09:49] <JonathanD> Not sure.
[09:49] <JonathanD> Too early even to jog.
[09:49] <rmg51> never too early for that
[09:50] <JonathanD> I prefer to have sunlight.
[09:50] <rmg51> flashlight
[09:51] <JonathanD> hh :P
[09:51] <JonathanD> *hah
[13:45] <InHisName> Good morning to you all listening
[15:17] <InHisName> When I IM my alter ego and get this:  (10:16:12 AM) InHisName1 <AUTO-REPLY> :  I'm not here right now
[15:18] <InHisName> Does that mean that pidgin on that machine made an auto response or was it from freenode ?
[15:18] <ChinnoDog> Freenode won't auto respond
[15:18] <ChinnoDog> Oh. Unless that is its way of giving you your away message
[15:18] <ChinnoDog> But it doesn't look like it
[15:19] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: so that response came from a host machine running pidgin for inhisname1 ?
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> I just looked. That is your away message. What client did you paste that out of?
[15:20] <InHisName> I have 'two' machines.  I IM'd InHisName1 from InHisName and got that response.
[15:21] <InHisName> I am trying to prove whether that machine is frozen or stuff is still running.
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> I know, but I am trying to interpret "AUTO-REPLY". That might be Pidgin's way of displaying your away message, in which case it came from the server because Pidgin did a /whois InHisName1
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> I can't ping or ctcp InHisName1
[15:22] <InHisName> Can you IM him?
[15:22] <ChinnoDog> I did, no response
[15:23] <InHisName> Then maybe that desktop is frozen.    I still have  ctrl-alt-f1 access.   F7 seems non-responsive to any inputs.
[15:25] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: can u ping or ctcp (what is that ?) to me, InHisName ?
[15:29] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: is there a way to examine from ctrl-alt-F1 login to see usage / activity /etc of Alt-F7 ( the desktop) ?   Ver 11.04  2D
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> If there is I don't know how
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> At least, not without some configuration ahead of time
[15:30] <InHisName> pleia2, andrew, or lamalex    could they have thoughts ?
[15:31] <lamalex> huh?
[15:32] <InHisName> I'm gettin' tired of shutdown F1 with F7 running frozen and then disks are dirty again.
[15:35] <andrew> about?
[15:35] <PennBot> I guess about is a clue, andrew
[17:31] <HowdyDoody> All booted up and not freezing yet.  I haven't waited that long yet either.
[20:41] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: green?
[20:41] <PennBot> green is out, pink is in, ChinnoDog
[20:41] <ChinnoDog> lol
[20:42] <ChinnoDog> Not what I was expecting, but I'll take it.


[00:31] <valoriez> unable to log into launchpad summit
[00:31] <valoriez> to see the UDS tracks/sessions, etc
[00:31] <valoriez> ooops, now it works
[00:32] <valoriez> will there be a Kubuntu track, or just some sessions?
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> nice, GCC 4.5 now gives row *and* column of a syntax error
[00:46] <ScottK> valoriez: Kubuntu stuff will be embeded in the various tracks.
[00:48] <valoriez> ok
[00:48] <valoriez> I've seen them by clicking on the days
[00:48] <valoriez> which is cool
[00:48] <ScottK> Expect them to change.
[00:48] <valoriez> ScottK: I've noticed that a couple of the wiki pages haven't been created
[00:48] <valoriez> Docs and Community
[00:48] <ScottK> Stuff get's re-arranged all the time.
[00:48] <valoriez> can I do that?
[00:48] <ScottK> Not suprising.
[00:49] <valoriez> Riddell has done it in the past
[00:49] <ScottK> It's generally better to let the person who's driving the spec do it when they are ready.
[00:49] <valoriez> ok
[00:49] <valoriez> don't want to step on toes
[00:53] <ScottK> Lex79: Do you want the kwave merge (I TIL, but you've uploaded it several times - I'm good either way)?
[00:54] <Lex79> ScottK: go ahead, thanks
[00:55]  * ScottK was afraid you'd say that.
[00:55] <Lex79> what's mean TIL ?
[00:56] <ScottK> Touched It Last
[00:56] <Lex79> oh :)
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> the beginnings of a config dialog: http://imgur.com/i5eHL
[01:10] <Lex79> isn't it already planned to go in system settings?
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> This is for muon notifications
[01:14]  * Lex79 finished to merge kde4libs and fixed shadeslayer's mistakes
[01:17]  * JontheEchidna wonders why this is happening :s http://pastebin.ca/1963510
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> second time I try to access the config dialog
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose) wasn't working... though it works for dolphin :/
[01:23] <Lex79> that plymouth bug makes me headache, too spam
[01:24] <nixternal> let me guess, canonical has dumb asses working for shipit...once again, our loco team cds get fucked up..past 2 times, someone who wasn't even on the team ordered them...this time, they tried again, but canonical made a mistake and put my phone number on the shipping label, and the TNT guys couldn't find the address, so they called me
[01:24] <nixternal> chicago finally has CDs, after more than a year \o/
[01:24] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1186359 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (11 files in 4 dirs) A new settings dialog baseclass + a shared Notify settings page that the manager and the updater can both use. Give Muon Manager a config dialog using these new components
[01:25] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: maybe it's a moc problem? does dolphin has some moc tricks? maybe are stupid questions, I don't know exactly what I'm saying :D
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> I ended up just making a function that deletes the dialog when closed :P
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> or rather copying one I already wrote
[01:26] <Lex79> :)
[01:33] <CIA-116> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (65 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[01:33] <CIA-116> kde4libs (4:4.5.2a-1ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low [ Rohan Garg ] * Merge with
[01:33] <CIA-116> Debian git remaining changes: - no build-dep on libaspell-dev - no build-dep on
[01:34] <Lex79> magic :)
[02:01] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1186362 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add ability to configure which notifications show up in the config dialog
[02:10] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1186363 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/settings/NotifySettingsPage.cpp Forgot a few things...
[03:44] <CIA-116> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (34 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[03:44] <CIA-116> kdepimlibs (4:4.5.2-1ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low * Merge with Debian git
[03:44] <CIA-116> remaining changes: - New upstream release 4.5.2 - Build with versioned boost
[04:01] <Lex79_> ScottK: can you look if libexiv2-dev is in Universe instead of in main ?
[04:01] <ScottK> Sure.  So can you.
[04:02] <ScottK> Lex79_: rmadison libexiv2-dev says it's not.
[04:02] <Lex79_> in natty?
[04:03] <Lex79_> pbuilder says it's a virtual package
[04:04] <Lex79_> libexiv2-dev: Depends: libexiv2-9 (= 0.20-2) which is a virtual package.
[04:04] <Lex79_> yes it's universe, not libexiv2-dev but  libexiv2-9
[04:04] <Lex79_> libexiv2-9 |     0.20-2 | natty/universe | amd64, i386
[04:07] <ScottK> Riddell can fix that.
[04:07] <ScottK> Looks like someone messed up the New.
[04:08] <Lex79_> ok
[04:23] <CIA-116> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (9 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[04:23] <CIA-116> kdegraphics (4:4.5.2-1ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low * Merge with Debian git
[04:23] <CIA-116> remaining changes: - New upstream release 4.5.2 - Don't add libchm-dev (it's in
[05:48] <CIA-116> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (12 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[05:48] <CIA-116> kdebase-runtime (4:4.5.2-1ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low [ Alessandro Ghersi ]
[05:48] <CIA-116> * Merge with Debian git remaining changes: - add 30-nepomuk-inotify-limit.conf -
[06:10] <Riddell> someone will need to upload qt4, my upload didn't work, it's in bzr
[06:10]  * Riddell out
[06:10] <maco> Riddell: good morning
[06:44] <chris062689> You guys did an amazing job with 10.10  Keep up the awesome work.
[11:39] <shadeslayer> Lex79: mistakes? :)
[11:43] <shadeslayer> oh .. i didnt document the aspell stuff?
[11:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Lex79 lacks the words to describe the dismay ;P
[11:43] <shadeslayer> hahah
[11:43] <Quintasan> hmm
[11:43] <Quintasan> sip was built
[11:44] <afiestas> is there a wubi installer for kubuntu?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> afiestas: its universal afaik
[11:44] <shadeslayer> so you can choose during install time
[11:44] <shadeslayer> ( thats the way it should work i think )
[11:45] <valoriez> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[11:46] <valoriez> scroll down a bit
[11:46] <afiestas> valoriez: it redirects to a wubi-installer with a "page not found" page
[11:47] <valoriez> !
[11:47] <valoriez> sorry!
[11:48] <shadeslayer> i can fix that
[11:48] <shadeslayer> just lemme get the proper wubi link tho :)
[11:48] <shadeslayer> afiestas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[11:49] <shadeslayer> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/windows-installer << thats the installer
[12:08] <shadeslayer> valorie: afiestas wubi link fixed
[12:20] <afiestas> nice :p
[12:22] <shadeslayer> afiestas: suppose i have a i18n string and i want to output the application name, how do i do that?
[12:24] <afiestas> no idea :/
[12:24] <afiestas> ask to tsdgeos, i18n kde master xD
[12:24] <shadeslayer> ah yes :)
[12:24] <shadeslayer> afiestas: whats the kde i10n channel?
[12:25] <ulysses> shadeslayer: #kde-i18n
[12:25] <shadeslayer> right :)
[14:20] <sheytan> Hey
[14:20] <sheytan> what is /var/lib/dpkg/status for?
[14:23] <tsimpson> sheytan: From man dpkg(1): Statuses of available packages. This file contains information about whether a package is marked for removing or not, whether it is installed or not, etc.
[14:24] <sheytan> tsimpson thank  you :)
[15:02] <nuovodna_> how about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/64695 ??
[15:02] <nuovodna_> fix not released yet :(
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: zomg are you here?
[15:05]  * shadeslayer did something amazing
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger well i edited application/gzip and the result is this http://imagebin.ca/view/SPEgPjp.html
[15:06] <shadeslayer> we can load katepart in rekonq and make it load build logs
[15:09] <shadeslayer> that stuff needs to be fixed in kde imo :(
[15:11] <nuovodna_> shadeslayer, are you talkin about the rekonq open action on build logs file?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> nuovodna_: yes
[15:12] <nuovodna_> i d like that rekonq will be open like a log and not like an archive file
[15:12] <shadeslayer> nuovodna_: see it can load katepart  and display the build logs, but i had to change the kpart for application/x-gzip
[15:12] <shadeslayer> nuovodna_: yes you can hack it to make it work atm :)
[15:12] <shadeslayer> want the instructions?
[15:12] <nuovodna_> yes! :)
[15:12] <shadeslayer> nuovodna_: keditfiletype application/x-gzip
[15:13] <shadeslayer> run that in krunner
[15:13] <shadeslayer> go under Embedding -> Add
[15:13] <shadeslayer> add the katepart at the top
[15:13] <nuovodna_> ok
[15:13] <nuovodna_> done
[15:13] <shadeslayer> tick "Ask whether .. "
[15:13] <nuovodna_> ieo
[15:13] <nuovodna_> yep
[15:13] <shadeslayer> click apply and your done
[15:14] <nuovodna_> ok! Thanks :)
[15:14] <shadeslayer> be warned, this might break some stuff :P
[15:14] <nuovodna_> like action to open archive
[15:14] <nuovodna_> kate instead of ark :)
[15:14] <shadeslayer> aye
[15:14] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:14] <shadeslayer> try it out
[15:15] <shadeslayer> should work
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ok ive gtg.... cya
[15:16] <nuovodna_> yes it works
[15:17] <nuovodna_> another annoying bug for ppa-maintainer using kde :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pinentry-qt4/+bug/657219
[15:54] <freeflying> Riddell: SRU would be great, but if it can't happen, next release would be fine too
[15:54] <shadeslayer> hmm... wasnt that pinetry bug fixed?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> oooooh
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we should really patch our packages so that rekonq can open x-gzip build files from lp
[15:56] <shadeslayer> freeflying: Riddell is away for the week till UDS :)
[15:56] <freeflying> shadeslayer: noted, thx :)
[16:26] <shadeslayer> nuovodna: ok ive uploaded a package to fix the pinetry issue, can you test?
[16:26] <nuovodna> ok...where can i download it?
[16:27] <shadeslayer> nuovodna: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[16:27] <shadeslayer> also, please purge that ppa after you test :)
[16:27] <nuovodna> ok :D
[16:27] <shadeslayer> i386 is building at the moment
[16:27] <nuovodna> ok i m on amd64
[16:28] <shadeslayer> me too
[16:28] <shadeslayer> itll build in another 40 mins or so
[16:29] <nuovodna> ok i bookmark your ppa page
[16:29] <nuovodna> now i have to go to a factory worker in the engineering industry demonstration
[16:30] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[16:30] <nuovodna> see you later
[16:30] <nuovodna> bye!
[16:30] <shadeslayer> cya
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pingly
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/ << works  fine in konqueror but not in rekonq, ideas?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: around?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> wasnt bug 657219 fixed sometime back? IIRC there was a discussion about it
[16:40] <shadeslayer> schedules are up! :D
[16:53] <dasKreech> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook is out of date?
[16:53] <dasKreech> hi rdieter
[16:53] <rdieter> dasKreech: hi
[16:53] <dasKreech> how is it going?
[16:55] <rdieter> dasKreech: quite well for me.  you?
[16:55] <dasKreech> Crap Load of work :)
[17:01] <debfx> shadeslayer: do you know if the pinentry focus issue is a regression?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> debfx: i think so
[17:02] <debfx> anyway the bug is very annoying and the patch from fedora works fine
[17:02] <shadeslayer> hmm .. i have a patch from upstream
[17:02] <shadeslayer> ( as you can see in the bug )
[17:02] <debfx> from https://bugs.g10code.com/gnupg/issue1162 ?
[17:03] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:03] <debfx> well settings the window to always on top isn't a fix for focus issues
[17:03] <debfx> *setting
[17:03] <shadeslayer> hmm.. wheres the fedora patch? :)
[17:04] <debfx> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=pinentry.git;a=blob;f=0004-Fix-qt4-pinentry-window-created-in-the-background.patch;h=d4bfa428490466931afc6c0264f5c0e5ccf12d1d;hb=HEAD
[17:04] <shadeslayer> debfx: atm im using http://pastebin.com/fa7u13mS
[17:05] <shadeslayer> so ill update my package with the new patch
[17:07] <shadeslayer> debfx: uploaded to my experimental ppa, ( ppa:rohangarg/experimental )
[17:11] <debfx> shadeslayer: could you add a debdiff to the bug?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes, ill be pushing for a SRU ...
[17:13] <shadeslayer> debfx: IIRC SRU's have ~maverick1 right?
[17:14] <debfx> shadeslayer: no, that's for backports
[17:14] <debfx> the fix for natty should be 0.8.0-1ubuntu1 and for maverick 0.8.0-1ubuntu0.1
[17:14] <shadeslayer> ohk
[17:19] <shadeslayer> debfx: should i file a new SRU bug or just use the same bug?
[17:20] <debfx> shadeslayer: the same bug
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ok im almost done then, ill add test cases and rationale in a moment
[17:21] <debfx> any core devs around? apachelogger?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> test building for natty
[17:25] <shadeslayer> debfx: debdiff for maverick added
[17:25] <shadeslayer> also, when Riddell uploaded plasma-widget-yawp for maverick, he did so with ~maverick1
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ( as a part of SRU )
[17:27] <shadeslayer> uh.. debdiff is wrong i think
[17:27] <shadeslayer> yeah ..
[17:33] <shadeslayer> debfx: done
[17:33] <Quintasan> brrr
[17:33] <shadeslayer> (natty is building atm)
[17:34] <ari-tczew> aloha Quintasan
[17:34] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: *
[17:34] <Quintasan> \o
[17:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I uploaded new sip and pyqt to neon ppa for maverick, care to do quick backport for lucid builds somewhere this week?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ill try, college is reopening on monday so might take some time
[17:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: okay, I'll try to do this but now I want to get done with bindings :P
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do bindings first!
[17:36] <shadeslayer> debfx: should i subscribe ubuntu sponsors?
[17:36] <Quintasan> That's what I'm doing ATM
[17:38] <shadeslayer> debfx: also.. would be helpful if debian fixed it in their packages and then i can request a sync :)(
[17:42] <debfx> shadeslayer: debian bug #581617
[17:44] <Quintasan> MOUUU
[17:44] <Quintasan> god dman
[17:44] <debfx> shadeslayer: the bug needs to be fixed in natty before uploading a SRU
[17:44] <Quintasan> I will update more packages than I will build for Project Neon
[17:44] <Quintasan> :P
[17:44] <shadeslayer> ah ok .. hold on then :)
[17:57] <shadeslayer> debfx: debdiff for natty added
[17:59] <shadeslayer> maverick one uploaded as well
[17:59] <Quintasan> YAY
[17:59] <Quintasan> FTBFS
[17:59] <Quintasan> :S
[18:00] <Lex79> lol
[18:02] <debfx> shadeslayer: great
[18:06] <Quintasan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5MA685ApE    <--- lol, guys are moving an online webserver to new datacenter using public transport
[18:25] <njin> hello, could someone help me asking the reporter wich infos are needed to triage this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/661313 Thanks.
[18:29] <ScottK> Quintasan: I hope that box isn't exposed to the internet.  Seven years of security vulnerabilities is a lot.
[18:40] <shadeslayer> jussi: this is one awesome quassel stylesheet
[18:40] <jussi> shadeslayer: glad you like it :D
[18:42] <shadeslayer> jussi: can you make some for rekonq? :D
[18:43] <jussi> shadeslayer: why?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> jussi: because the urlbar goes black when loading a URK
[18:43] <shadeslayer> URL
[18:43] <jussi> what is the use case for having rekonq differently themed to the rest of the system?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> hmm.. true ..
[18:48] <shadeslayer> debfx: package with patch works for me
[19:01] <debfx> JontheEchidna: could you please upload a qtcurve merge: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/gtk2-engines-qtcurve_1.6.4-1ubuntu1.dsc
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> debfx: done
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have any spare books on Qt lying around?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you bring one to UDS if its possible :)
[19:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: do you know of any class in KDE/Qt that does spell check?
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> sonnet. Though this functionality should be available through a KTextEdit. (Maybe not by default though)
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ah yes i just found that on api.kde
[19:23] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i cant use KTextEdit, since im trying to add spell check to rekonq ;)
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> sounds like something that should go in webkitkde
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> or kwebkit or whatever the kde webkit integration in kdelibs that rekonq uses is called
[19:26] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> actually, it looks like kdewebkit doesn't really do any integration irt the widgets that QtWebKit uses...
[19:37] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1186515 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/updater/ (6 files in 2 dirs) Add a configuration dialog to the Muon Updater. It likely won't go beyond notification settings, though.
[20:00] <ScottK> Quintasan: You should have mail on sip4-qt3.  Please stick around i #debian-python.
[20:13] <debfx> can I somehow check which packages are on the live cd?
[20:20] <Lex79> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10/release/
[20:20] <Lex79> ^ the .manifest file
[20:24] <debfx> thanks!


[05:08] <hggdh> the problem is release times. Anyway, every LTS now supports newer kernels
[05:09] <hggdh> so whatever is the kernel for 18.10, it will be available on 18.04, 16.04, etc
[05:10] <hggdh> aand then... there is this ASLR thingy cooking
[09:08] <hans_> hggdh, what about ASLR?
[14:17] <hggdh> hans_: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
[14:19] <hans_> hggdh, think i will be ok if i create a file called /etc/sysctl.d/01-disable-aslr.conf  containing kernel.randomize_va_space = 0   ?
[14:19] <hans_> >however we're looking at a ballpark figure of five to 30 per cent slow down
[14:20] <hans_> holy shit
[14:21] <hans_> PostgreSQL slowdowns between 17-23% on "SELECT 1" x.x
[14:27] <hggdh> hans_: not a good idea do disable ASLR. Unless you have a guaranteed secure system (hint: theoretical construct), you want ASLR
[14:28] <hggdh> and, right now, as the article above points out, this is pretty much speculation, since the issue(s) is(are) still under wrap
[14:29] <hggdh> so, if it pans out as being commented by El Reg and others, we will have to soldier up and swallow the performance loss
[14:31] <hans_> hggggu
[14:31] <hans_> dam
[14:32] <hggdh> yup. It will b fun to watch. I already bought popcorn and soda
[14:33] <TJ-> hggdh: I saw what you did there! 'speculation' about the speculative execution crossing privilege boundary bug :)
[14:33] <hggdh> :-)
[14:35] <hggdh> this, as far as I understand, has been going for a while. It probably reached critical mass the last few days, so we get to know about something coming up
[14:36] <TJ-> The patches have been in-development since October at least in public, but there appears to be an embargo being lifted on Friday, which suggests an exploit for this is known
[14:36] <TJ-> The original patches from the research team were published in April/May
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> anyone needs bugs tested, let me know im on bionic
[18:52] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I'll bear that in mind - though you'd need an Xubuntu iso :p
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> ah im on ubuntu-desktop flocculant
[18:53]  * flocculant tries to 'run' Xubuntu's qa but very few people say anything
[18:53] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I guessed ;) though I do update the ubuntu iso daily when I run my script - hence being able to check things you ask about
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: you can always pass me active !bugs ill have a look if you need
[18:54] <flocculant> that's awesome :)
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> here's my list
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lotuspsychje/+reportedbugs
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> edited all ubuntu versions in title
[18:55] <flocculant> if there's any wayland/xorg things - that completely confuses me :)
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: i presume xfce runs fine already?
[18:56] <flocculant> and any amd specific - nvida/nouveau here
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: believe it or not, the only flawless system im testing smooth on wayland is on nvidia laptop lol
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> all other lag somehow on xorg or wayland
[18:57] <flocculant> yea xfce is fine afaik - I'm also using the Xubuntu Team 'official' ppa's and some from git unreleased
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> cool
[18:57] <flocculant> but any bugs I might mention will be vanilla iso ones
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:58] <flocculant> I could install a ubuntu instance - but it'll be rarely used and I would need to update etc before checking
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: that would be very usefull if you test wayland also
[18:58] <flocculant> but if that's the price of being able to ask someone to check xubuntu things - I'll pay it :D
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: as that will be our future ubuntu-desktop method
[18:59] <flocculant> ack - won't be setting it up today - but I will by weekend
[19:00] <flocculant> (mostly I get the iso to find if an issue I see is a generic *flavour one)
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: no sweat tyt mate
[19:00] <flocculant> bookmarked your list for when I do it :)
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: i think Bashing-om also runs xubuntu bionic?
[19:03] <flocculant> possibly - know him from old :)
[19:03] <flocculant> like for years :p
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[19:04] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Not yet .. still on xenial - pending what I am going to do about my hard drives .
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> solid volunteers here
[19:04] <flocculant> Bashing-om: :)
[19:04] <flocculant> and hi
[19:04] <flocculant> didn't see you hiding
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: we discussed, as flocculant testing xubuntu flavor for bionic
[19:04] <Bashing-om> flocculant: Good to read you .. long time without :)
[19:04] <flocculant> always about - just a different name ;)
[19:05] <Bashing-om> I have some indications that the bios bug in 17.10 carries over to bionic . be careful .
[19:06] <flocculant> not affected
[19:06] <flocculant> or if I am - I've not noticed
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[19:06] <flocculant> probably because I always grab -proposed kernel when they show up
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i was wondering, what artful upgrade to bionic would influence that bug??
[19:07] <flocculant> I thought the current kernel was ok - you could upgrae to there - but not totally sure as (see above)
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> i think users start solving the bug with .19 and higher
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> 14.9 14.10 sorry
[19:11] <Bashing-om> I tend to trust ventrical:  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2380665&page=3 .
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: weird the bug url doesnt mention bionic?
[19:15] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Just to keep an open mind about it .
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tomorrow alpha1, so lets hope they fix that right away
[19:17] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: maybe now UEFI will get defined by the manufacturers ?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> im always a paranoia thinker myself..intel did this on purpose to block ubuntu instead of MS? lol
[19:18] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: no alpha's r beta1 for Ubuntu
[19:18] <flocculant> they ignore till Final Beta
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> apple upload new Ios to make worst batterys...
[19:18] <flocculant> (Xubuntu ignores till Beta 1 too)
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: kk
[19:19] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: only flavours who're interested do alphas/betas
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: lets c what kind of updates will come tru tomorrow..
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> had a few this morning
[19:19]  * flocculant grabbed some a short while ago - all 'generic'
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:20] <flocculant> the xfce/xubuntu stuff usually shows up at ~6am for me
[19:20] <flocculant> then I go to work :D
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> :p