[13:57] <Titan_king> Hey, I am having a weird problem, All my downloads are stuck at 60kbps download speeds :-(
[13:58] <Titan_king> Although my internet is good
[13:58] <Titan_king> Any Idea why?


[00:41]  * penguin42 wonders about bug 745350
[00:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745350 in firefox (Ubuntu) "while working on Firefox/Gmail, my cat sit down on keyboard (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745350
[06:28] <trinikrono> is there any active mentors around?
[13:22] <Abhijit> hi
[13:22] <Abhijit> someone please triage this bug
[13:22] <Abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rednotebook/+bug/745657
[13:22] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745657 in rednotebook (Ubuntu) "no password protection (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:08] <hggdh> trinikrono: there are always at least one experienced triager here (and, probably, also a mentor)
[16:27] <Tetsuo55> hello i was asked to test with a mainline kernel
[16:27] <Tetsuo55> Does that mean i use this one http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/
[16:28] <Tetsuo55> i am on a fully updated 10.10 ubuntu
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Tetsuo55: yes, that is the correct one
[16:32] <Tetsuo55> it says my boot is full
[16:32] <Tetsuo55> damn
[16:32] <Tetsuo55> need to clean up
[16:39] <Tetsuo55> will this now automatically be my new default kernel?
[16:39] <Tetsuo55> or do i need to choose it from the boot menu
[16:40] <Tetsuo55> i guess ill find out
[16:47] <Tetsuo55> hmm
[16:47] <Tetsuo55> with the daily kernel my screen problems are even worse
[16:47] <Tetsuo55> now the monitor is stuck on 1024x768, and it hasnt even detected the laptop monitor
[16:48] <Tetsuo55> does ubuntu add special patches for laptops and their ability to display on external monitors?
[16:48] <Tetsuo55> (to the kernel)
[16:50] <hggdh> Tetsuo55: the Ubuntu kernel may have patches from upstream to address specific issues. The best way to find out is to look at the source package diff
[16:50] <Tetsuo55> i just installed the kernel that was compiled today from git
[16:50] <Tetsuo55> so that seems unlikely to me
[16:50] <Tetsuo55> unless by upstream you mean not-yet-committed-to-kernel.org
[16:51] <hggdh> Tetsuo55: if you installed a kernel from the kernel ppa, then there are no Ubuntu patches
[16:52] <Tetsuo55> yes
[16:52] <Tetsuo55> ok finished burning natty nightly cd
[16:52] <Tetsuo55> so lets see what happens there
[17:29] <Tetsuo55> back, same problem on the latest natty build with regards to my hardware button not working
[17:29] <Tetsuo55> now on to the problem with 10.10 where my monitors are not correctly detected by the daily mainline kernel
[17:29] <Tetsuo55> i quickly saw an error flash by before the ubuntu desktop appeard
[17:30] <Tetsuo55> is that logged somewhere so i can find it?
[17:35] <Tetsuo55> could this be relevant? [drm:i915_gem_mmap_gtt] *ERROR* Attempting to mmap a purgeable buffer
[17:38] <roadmr> Tetsuo55: use the dmesg command and see if your error is there
[17:41] <Tetsuo55> mtrr: type mismatch for e0000000,10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining
[17:41] <Tetsuo55> [drm] MTRR allocation failed.  Graphics performance may suffer.
[17:41] <Tetsuo55> lp: driver loaded but no devices found
[17:41] <Tetsuo55>  [Firmware Bug]: Duplicate ACPI video bus devices for the same VGA controller, please try module parameter "video.allow_duplicates=1"if the current driver doesn't work.
[17:42] <Tetsuo55> [drm:i915_gem_mmap_gtt] *ERROR* Attempting to mmap a purgeable buffer (6 times)
[17:43] <Tetsuo55> those are the errors i get, sorry for not using pastebin but my screen is tiny
[17:43] <Tetsuo55> i also get a lot more warnigns and even a segfault for other hardware
[17:47] <charlie-tca> QA Weekly meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 14 minutes
[18:09] <Tetsuo55> Does this error suggest i need to install the kernel-matching headers??  bluetoothd[1281]: segfault at 7f4fdbbe4450 ip 00007f4ed9881664 sp 00007fff40f4d520 error 4 in libc-2.12.1.so[7f4ed980a000+17a000]
[18:34] <penguin42> just looks like a bug in bluetoothd
[18:37] <cyphermox> Tetsuo55, you should probably open a bug against 'linux' about the i915 errors, and one different one for bluez if you can find a .crash file under /var/crash relating to the segfault line you copied
[18:37] <Tetsuo55> i may have found a fix
[18:37] <Tetsuo55> on google
[18:37] <Tetsuo55> just 2 more unfixed errors left
[18:37] <Tetsuo55> can i change this somewhere
[18:38] <Tetsuo55> ACPI: Deprecated procfs I/F for AC is loaded, please retry with CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER cleared
[18:38] <Tetsuo55> ill report them all once i finish trying the workarounds
[18:38] <Tetsuo55> or does the ACPI thing require a recompile of the kernel
[18:40] <Tetsuo55> thats one and the other (MTRR) is supposedly solved by doing this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1285176.html
[18:40] <Tetsuo55> brb
[18:44] <Tetsuo55> ok better, many errors are gone now
[18:44] <Tetsuo55> but one thing has failed to work
[18:45] <Tetsuo55> disabling all animation fixed the errors i was having (that appeared 6 times)
[18:52] <Tetsuo55> ohh i see my mistake
[18:52] <Tetsuo55> rebooting again
[20:08] <Tetsuo55> allright ive made some progress
[20:08] <Tetsuo55> the videocard problems are being caused by MTRR mismapping (for some reason it thinks i have 32gb of ram and the resulting mapping is blocking videocard memory from being writable or something)
[20:09] <Tetsuo55> now to fix it i need some way to specify the MTRR settings during bootup
[20:09] <Tetsuo55> i have used a tool to generate the exact settings for my systems. but i dont know where to specify them
[20:12] <Tetsuo55> hmm looks like there have been 9 bioses released since the current one i am using, and one contains a firmware update for the videocard
[20:12] <Tetsuo55> that might fix the problem
[20:16] <Tetsuo55> hmm how to run a windows bios update utility from ubuntu....
[22:23] <trinikrono> can someone tell me what is the purpose of that depenencies.txt that are on all the bug reports, i realised it does not just list installed packages on a system , is the dependencies of the package itself?
[22:24] <micahg> trinikrono: yes, it should be the dependency tree of the package
[22:25] <trinikrono> oh cool :D
[22:51] <trinikrono> can bug 646699 be set to fix released since it is so in maverick
[22:51] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 646699 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Nautilus; unclear whether cut or copy used (affects: 1) (heat: 21)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/646699
[22:54] <yofel> trinikrono: hm true, they seem to be highlighted now, so setting to fixed is ok
[22:54] <yofel> it would be nice to have a changelog that says that it was fixed, but that's probably not the case here
[22:56] <trinikrono> yes because it was implemented without considering the bug
[22:56] <trinikrono> yofel: what about if the reporter wanted this feature in lucid, would that be considered a backport?
[22:58] <yofel> hm, I don't think nautilus is really backportable (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports) and we don't SRU new features
[22:58] <yofel> if anything it would be a backport
[23:00] <trinikrono> ok i will set as fix released and put a link to a article i found, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/nautilus-update-in-maverick-bring-many-new-fixes-changes/
[23:04] <trinikrono> If a bug is fixed in the current development release, it is Fix Released. If the bug also needs to be fixed in a stable release, use the "Target to release" link to nominate it for that release.
[23:05] <trinikrono> yofel: can i do that?
[23:05] <yofel> trinikrono: that's used for SRU tracking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[23:05] <yofel> read the "When" and decide if that applies here
[23:07] <trinikrono> oho so only serious bugs, i will tell him to request a backport if he really wants then
[23:22] <micahg> trinikrono: backports are for new features generally, FYI
[23:46] <Tetsuo55> turns out the ubuntu kernel is heavily patched to work-around issues with my motherboard/videocard
[23:46] <Tetsuo55> so the vanilla mainline builds are unusable
[23:47] <Tetsuo55> the error still occurs, but in the official ubuntu kernel a few lines later a workaround is apploed
[23:47] <Tetsuo55> applied*
[23:48] <Tetsuo55> its the same for all the errors i had, they all have a workaround in place
[23:48] <Tetsuo55> so i updated my tickets :)
[23:57] <penguin42> Tetsuo55: Hey well it's good those fixes are there and work
[23:58] <Tetsuo55> indeed
[23:59] <Tetsuo55> unfortunately they are still required with current kernel git-head/tip
[23:59] <Tetsuo55> its too bad because i wopuld like the wonders patch (new group scheduling)


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[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[12:57] <cwayne> hello, sorry to bother you guys, but I see unity-lens-vm went up for a vote, and then nothing came out of that.  Is it stuck somewhere?  I see it got 2 +1's and then kind of died
[19:08] <cwayne> hello, sorry to bother you guys, but I see unity-lens-vm went up for a vote, and then nothing came out of that.  Is it stuck somewhere?  I see it got 2 +1's and then kind of died


[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> looking...
[12:20] <Admiral_Chicago> bdmurray: actually, Jim and I (one of the bug traigers) are meeting up today, we could discuss it
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> bdmurray: we are actually rewritting the documentation so...we will look at it
[12:22] <bdmurray> Admiral_Chicago: okay, I was it was Fix Committed but then had some comments in it
[12:22] <bdmurray> wow, that was even dyslexia
[12:22] <bdmurray> s/was/saw/
[12:27] <Admiral_Chicago> bdmurray: hehe, well we will ook at it today.
[12:29] <bdmurray> either is contagious or you are making fun of me . . .
[12:29] <Admiral_Chicago> its contagious
[12:53] <nixternal> bdmurray: don't toss that keyboard, you need it for tonight...you should have about a 1000 more bugs on your list :)
[12:54] <bdmurray> nixternal: eh, it's mostly scripted.
[12:59] <nixternal> cheater!
[12:59] <nixternal> ;p
[01:22] <bdmurray> Actually I'm too scared to do lots automatically.  So it takes some button pressing.
[01:22] <bdmurray> But that's what the kids are for. :)
[01:38] <nixternal> haha
[02:55] <ryanakca> would a "unnatended remote rdiff backup HOWTO" be useful? (based on http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ , http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html and http://arctic.org/~dean/rdiff-backup/unattended.html )
[12:40] <ryanakca> would a "unnatended remote rdiff backup HOWTO" be useful? (based on http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ , http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html and http://arctic.org/~dean/rdiff-backup/unattended.html )
[09:22] <ryanakca> nixternal: would a "unnatended remote rdiff backup HOWTO" be useful? (based on http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ , http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html and http://arctic.org/~dean/rdiff-backup/unattended.html )
[09:26] <nixternal> I have no idea :) seriously though, all HOWTOs are helpful
[09:29] <ryanakca> ox
[09:29] <ryanakca> ok


[04:08] <extraclassic> i have a problem with gnome not aligning my icons even though I've made the auto align selection...http://content.screencast.com/users/j_barnett/folders/Default/media/eb672b79-1028-49bb-ac4b-476684d92cd5/gnome.png
[04:10] <devildante> bye all :)
[06:49] <^arky^> hi
[06:49] <micahg> hi
[06:51] <^arky^> good to see you micahg, still busy even on weekend
[06:51] <micahg> ^arky^: well, relaxing but available :)
[06:52] <^arky^> thanks, I might trouble you when I get stuck with bug cleaning up
[11:00]  * vish sighs at people who hit-n-run bugs, commenting without subscribing to the bug
[11:01] <vish> gah! if you comment and spam someone they atleast need to subscribe!! :/
[11:02] <nisshh> vish: you ranting again?
[11:02] <vish> yeah! well humphrey rants and he draws all the silly OMG folks to lp! :/
[11:03] <vish> now! i'm not gonna leave them ;p
[11:03] <vish> i'm subscribe them all to the bug ;p
[11:04] <nisshh> haha
[11:04] <nisshh> vish: we should make a website, just for your rants "www.mega-vish-rants.com
[11:04] <nisshh> "
[11:04] <vish> heh
[11:06] <vish> nisshh: half my voes would end if they close commenting on OMG, somehow it draws the crazzies , its like full moon to them ;p
[11:07] <nisshh> haha
[11:07] <vish> nisshh: seriously, some of the comment there hurt upstream sentiments :(  it saddens me how
[11:07] <vish> rude they can get..
[11:07] <nisshh> on OMG, you mean vish?
[11:08] <vish> yeah, upstreams do read it and the comments, they do take offense..
[11:09] <vish> nisshh: if people spent half the time they spend arguing on the comments, they can be useful! :p
[11:10] <nisshh> vish: yea, some of them do seem pretty...
[11:10]  * nisshh tries to think of the right word
[11:10] <nisshh> harsh
[11:11] <nisshh> vish: i prefer the "i hate it but if they did x it would be great!"
 :P
[11:21] <vish> meh , its just a wallpaper! if you dont like it you have other choices ;p
[11:22] <vish> if they took the time to write a huge lengthy rant in the comments and dont want to subscribe, it shows how much committed they actually are to make a change..
[11:22] <jfi> a dev should always consider that a bad comment, is a comment, the guy has taken the time to write something, it means that he pays attention on the software
[11:22] <nisshh> still, its pretty crappy, for a redo
[11:22] <jfi> if people write bad comments on the wallpaper that's because they use ubuntu, that's positive
[11:22] <nisshh> hmmm, true
[11:23] <vish> but as i said , it they dont want to subscribe , it really shows how much they are really interested
[11:23] <leighman> I think a lot of people maybe assume that commenting will subscribe them
[11:23] <jfi> I have use lp one or two months without seeing the subcribe option....
[11:23] <leighman> true many are just not interested in following up
[11:24] <jfi> I thought that I will be notified automaticly
[11:24] <vish> its just people want to speak their minds! and do you think that half those people really use the default wallpaper?
[11:24] <jfi> vish, and about the wallpaper, I thing that it is very very very important, that's the first thing that new people see
[11:24] <nisshh> probably not
[11:24] <jfi> vish, and first impression is very important
[11:25] <leighman> I use the Lucid default, I certainly won't be using the Maverick default :P
[11:25] <nisshh> jfi: well, for noobs it is, geeks would change it i about 10 minutes
[11:26] <leighman> it's like Windows default wallpaper being one of those joke 'broken Vista' ones
[11:26] <jfi> nisshh, of course everybody is changing the default wallpaper, even lambda users... but that's the first visual impression!
[11:26] <vish> some people go to lengths to make up stories, that their co-worker go a migraine from using the wallpaper! Maverick isnt even released ! , which company uses pre-release software in their production environment!
[11:26] <nisshh> jfi: yea, i guess
[11:26] <leighman> I just think the design team have done some amazing work the last year but that is not one of them!
[11:27] <leighman> that was quite amusing, but not to say he couldn't have used the walpaper
[11:27] <nisshh> well, we dont even know if that wallpaper is genuine
[11:27] <nisshh> the new maverick theme is better than lucids though
[11:27] <nisshh> thats one good thing at least
[11:27] <vish> yea
[11:51] <jfi> somebody to confirm #625371 ? I am ready to help compiling the small programm to reproduce the issue:)
[11:52] <gorilla> bug 625371
[11:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625371 in indicator-application "app_indicator_set_status does not change the application indicator icon (affects: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625371
[11:52] <gorilla> jfi: that description isn't good.
[11:53] <jfi> gorilla, ha.. why? I am ready to improve it!
[11:54] <gorilla> jfi: I was going to object to the underscores but it's correct.
[11:55] <jfi> gorilla, yes, that's the name of the C function in the lib, you can see it in /usr/include/libappindicator-0.1/libappindicator/app-indicator.h
[11:56] <jfi> I have double checked, it is correct
[11:56] <gorilla> Yep... just looks odd.
[12:50] <penguin42> can anyone suggest what to do with bug 625169
[12:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625169 in ubuntu "ubuntu server 10.04amd64 fails to boot after installation on lvm+raid5 (affects: 1) (heat: 3142)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625169
[12:50] <penguin42> it's a pretty nasty failure , but the reporter is saying he thinks the culmination of 3 other bugs
[12:51] <penguin42> it doesn't seem right to dupe it to any one of them
[14:20] <simar> micahg: hi
[14:21] <devildante> am I the only one who has too much timeout problems with lp? :p
[14:21] <simar> micahg: i hope you can see this .. i have queries there.
[14:21] <simar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625853
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625853 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The Google Maps API server rejected you request. The "Client" parameter specified in the request is invalid (dup-of: 624981)" [Low,Invalid]
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 26) (dups: 5) (heat: 134)" [Critical,Fix committed]
[14:22] <simar> devildante: i hope you are also affected with the bug.. is it same
[14:22] <simar> devildante: see link
[14:22] <devildante> simar: yes, this is bugging me too
[14:23] <simar> devildante: what else you get?
[14:23] <devildante> simar: everyone is affected
[14:23] <simar> devildante: ya
[14:23] <devildante> simar: apart from that, only the usual timeout errors :p
[14:24] <simar> devildante: no i'm sure i dinnt get any timeout errors ...
[14:25] <simar> devildante: launchpad seems to turn old now :P
[14:25] <devildante> simar: not always
[14:25] <devildante> simar: but it's annoying when you get it
[14:25] <simar> sense: hey r u there ..
[14:25] <devildante> simar: even more annoying on the edge server
[14:25] <sense> hello simar
[14:25] <yofel> well, I get a lot of timeouts, but I'm using edge
[14:26] <yofel> note: edge has a shorter timeout limit than production
[14:26] <simar> devildante: ya .. atleast i have got a taste of it sometimes before ;-)
[14:26] <penguin42> it seems OK for me at the moment
[14:26] <simar> sense: heya ... how were u?
[14:26] <devildante> yofel: yeah I know ;)
[14:27] <simar> sense: how were you holidays ..
[14:27] <sense> simar: They were great, thanks for askin. How have you been? Busy with bug fixing?
[14:28] <simar> sense: ya, but now a days i got more busy with actual life in university..
[14:29] <sense> simar: Ah, real life is calling.
[14:29] <simar> sense: ya sure :P
[14:29] <simar> sense: sense: i'm trying to see something in security team.. some testing as of now.
[14:29] <sense> ok
[14:29] <sense> Wide interests. :)
[14:29] <simar> sense: ya ..
[14:30] <simar> sense: i have got one of my mentees in touchpad area..
[14:30] <sense> :)
[14:30] <simar> sense: so you can expect some good support there ;-))
[14:32] <sense> Good!
[14:32] <simar> sense: though i'm now in bug control but i still get some issues in triaging sometimes ..
[14:32] <simar> sense: here is one https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625853
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625853 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The Google Maps API server rejected you request. The "Client" parameter specified in the request is invalid (dup-of: 624981)" [Low,Invalid]
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 26) (dups: 5) (heat: 134)" [Critical,Fix committed]
[14:33] <simar> sense: i hope you are still there for my querries :P
[14:33] <sense> simar: Of course, let me take a look.
[14:33] <simar> sense: :--)))
[14:34] <sense> simar: I'll answer your questions here.
[14:34] <simar> sense: ok
[14:35] <sense> simar: The Launchpad Registry is a separate project on Launchpad. Therefore you cannot report bugs against it using Apport, which only reports bugs for the Ubuntu project.
[14:35] <sense> Also, you cannot change the affected package to another project, because that is a different thing.
[14:35] <sense> You can only change to a package in the distribution.
[14:36] <yofel> there was a bug open about that as that *should* be made possible :/ (it is possible for questions)
[14:37] <simar> sense: ok .. do you mean i try to change package from firefox to launchpad-registry it will fail??
[14:37] <sense> yofel: Yeah
[14:37] <sense> simar: Yes, because 'launchpad-registry' is not a source package inside the Ubuntu distribution project, but a separate project.
[14:38] <simar> ok i'm more clear now ..
[14:39] <yofel> simar: there is a 'File a bug' button on the main page of every project launchpad.net/<project> - it's just that the ubuntu one redirects to the wiki page for normal users
[14:39] <simar> sense: so this can justify when we see different projects like xserver-xorg-input-udev in Lucid and xserver-xorg-input-udev in Karmic  when it affects both or one of them ..
[14:40] <simar> yofel ok.
[14:40] <sense> simar: That are not projects, but source packages. Distribution projects like Ubuntu differ from regular projects like Launchpad Registry in that they have source packages. Regular projects don't.
[14:41] <simar> sense: ok
[14:43] <simar> sense: Thanks .. :-))
[14:43] <sense> You're welcome.
[14:45] <simar> sense: :)
[14:53] <drew2121> micahg: even though bug 18995 needs to be handled upstream, can i still try developing a fix for it? and just post the patch upstream?
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 18995 in mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[MASTER] "Open With" dialog not user-friendly (affects: 48) (dups: 17) (heat: 373)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18995
[14:54] <devildante> Can someone triage bug 503041?
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 503041 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mouse lags while moving it and clicking any keys (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503041
[14:55]  * drew2121 looking
[14:57] <drew2121> it looks like its being handled upstream
[14:58] <devildante> drew2121: it's me who reported the bug upstream
[14:58] <penguin42> drew2121: There is nothing that stops you looking at and fixing a bug in upstream; of course you'll have to persuade the upstream guys to take it
[15:01] <devildante> but is this related to this bug being triaged? :p
[15:01] <drew2121> devildante: no...
[15:02] <drew2121> devildante: if its reported upstream and linked to the upstream tracker its "triaged"
[15:02] <devildante> so can someone mark it as Triaged?
[15:03] <ari-tczew> !weekend | devildante
[15:03] <ubot2> devildante: It's a weekend. Often on weekends the paid developers and a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would or try again during the working week.
[15:04] <devildante> ari-tczew, I know :)
[15:04] <ari-tczew> extra
[15:07] <drew2121> devildante: you cant mark upstream tasks as triaged
[15:08] <devildante> drew2121: I'm talking about the ubuntu package
[15:11] <drew2121> devildante: OH! I'm not familiar with xorg, I'll wait for one of the more familiar Xorg bugcontrol members to judge wether  its triaged or not.
[15:12] <devildante> drew2121: okay :)
[15:13] <drew2121> devildante: sorry, i worded that terribly =P. And i was under the assumption that you wanted me to mark the upstream task triaged =P
[15:14] <devildante> drew2121: nah, I'm no beginner
[15:14] <drew2121> lol, i still am, I'm really only familiar with firefox bugs, even then i still feel like there is tons to learn =)
[15:15] <drew2121> devildante: why haven't you applied to bugcontrol yet if you're so experienced?
[15:15] <devildante> drew2121: but I'm also no expert :p
[15:15] <devildante> maybe later
[15:16] <drew2121> devildante: you dont need to be an expert =P, its whenever you feel comfortable marking bugs triaged =)
[15:16]  * drew2121 <----- Prime example
[15:16] <devildante> hmm...
[15:16]  * yofel was a bugsquad member for half a year until hggdh bugged him to finally apply to BC :P
[15:16] <drew2121> haha =P
[15:17] <devildante> if you bug me enough, I'll apply ;)
[15:17] <yofel> you really just need some experience and have to understand the general policy
[15:17]  * vish too similar to yofel, dint apply until someone said 'stop bothering me with status' you know it already! ;p
[15:18] <devildante> meh
[15:18] <drew2121> i've been triaging bugs on and off since October in 2009
[15:18] <yofel> vish: yeah I remember that, we did apply at the same time iirc :D
[15:18] <devildante> okay, I'll apply
[15:19] <devildante> today or tomorrow :)
[15:19] <vish> yofel: hehe, yeah.. i think it was hggdh who pushed me to apply too! , i think he just got fed up with us :D
[15:19] <drew2121> lol
[15:19]  * penguin42 should do the bugsquad thing at some point rather than just doing flyby triaging
[15:20] <devildante> penguin42, yes, you should
[15:21] <vish> drew2121: hey, are you considering mentoring?  there are a few members who have applied they are in the same time slot as yours, but since ddecator is MIA , there is no one to take care ;)
[15:22] <drew2121> vish: I'm actually on my way out, we can talk later about my availability, because my times has changed a little bit, i need to update my wiki page.
[15:23] <penguin42> devildante: Maybe next time I have a week off to spend some proper time on it
[15:23] <vish> kermiac: i tried ^ :D ... so stlsaint might have to wait for drew2121's reply .. ;)
[15:23] <vish> drew2121: np.. ;)
[15:33]  * devildante finally finished closing bugs in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100708
[15:36] <devildante> vish, thanks for triaging ;)
[15:36] <vish> yw..
[15:39] <penguin42> does anyone know where the source for the daily kernel builds comes from - is it in a git/bzr somewhere?
[15:41] <yofel> we have daily build kernels?
[15:42] <penguin42> yofel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/
[15:43] <yofel> hm, not sure, maybe they're on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git somewhere
[15:47] <penguin42> ah, yeh, it looks like that comes from one of those repos
[15:48]  * hggdh considers vish absolutelty correct -- apply for BC, and bother us on something really important (not just to change status)
[15:48] <hggdh> :-)
[15:49] <vish> yofel: see^ :D
[15:49] <yofel> right :)
[16:15] <micahg> simar: I duped your bug and the fix has been committed, what more is there?
[16:15] <micahg> drew2121: well, you can try, but it's not a papercut
[16:19] <simar> micahg: nothing .. i cleared all remaining issues here  ..thanks though
[16:19] <micahg> simar: so, to answer your questions, launchpad-registry is not part of Ubuntu, hence you can't use ubuntu-bug, and that should answer question 2 as well since there's a bug open for malone (launchpad bugs) about moving tasks
[16:23] <micahg> simar: bug 80902 is why I had to add another task
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 80902 in malone "Can't refile bug report from project to distribution, or vice versa (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 15)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80902
[16:41]  * devildante will be afk for a while
[18:20] <devildante> aye, someone marked bug 1 as Invalid! fortunately, Bilal was fast enough :)
[18:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 18 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 557) (heat: 2856)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[18:23] <penguin42> haha
[19:26] <drew2121> vish: Alright, i'm back and i have updated my availablities to my current class/work schedule
[19:27] <drew2121> micahg: i know, i wanted to do it as a school project for my honors class... i would spend some serious time on it =), as it would have to be a completed working implementation, requires at least 4 hours a week of work...
[19:27] <micahg> drew2121: have you tested ff4.0 to see if it's in there?
[19:28] <drew2121> micahg: no...
[19:28] <drew2121> let me boot my VM
[19:29] <drew2121> bah my VM is way outdated... how do i specify newer versions from the ubuntu repos?
[19:32] <micahg> drew2121: use testdrive?
[19:34] <drew2121> micahg: i already have my VM set up though, can i use test drive to just install the FF4.0 packages
[19:34] <micahg> drew2121: no
[19:34] <micahg> drew2121: why not just upgrade?
[19:34] <micahg> drew2121: what do you mean specify new versions?
[19:35] <drew2121> i want to know how to test firefox 4.0, do i need to install it from source?
[19:35] <micahg> drew2121: ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[19:35] <drew2121> thanks
[19:41] <ari-tczew> devildante: Bilal is very young, motivated and promising developer.
[19:42] <devildante> ari-tczew: yeah, he's a really cool guy :)
[19:42] <devildante> and he's probably younger than us all
[19:43] <ari-tczew> devildante: he needs gain a little more expierence with packaging and I'd see him in MOTU crew.
[19:43] <devildante> although I'm ~17 years old, so I'm not that far :p
[19:44] <devildante> ari-tczew: yeah!
[19:45] <drew2121> devildante: dont let youth make you afraid to achieve greatness... physics is a good example, Einstein made all his great findings before he was 25 =).
[19:45] <drew2121> i shouldn't say all, most...
[19:45] <devildante> drew2121: I'll just try my best :)
[19:45] <drew2121> devildante: thats all thats required =)
[19:46] <drew2121> hopefully i'm not the only one with a bug with the maps in LP... anyone else getting a "client" parameter error?
[19:46] <micahg> drew2121: bug 624981
[19:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 30) (dups: 6) (heat: 154)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624981
[19:46] <drew2121> micahg: thanks
[19:47] <devildante> drew2121: that's plaguing us all
[19:48] <drew2121> devildante: i figured it was
[19:48] <devildante> dammit, google :p
[19:48]  * penguin42 would have thought someone would have just quickly commented out the map thing
[19:50] <drew2121> penguin42: i don't think it affects everyone, but they have added a checkbox you can use to remove it =)
[19:50] <charlie-tca> You have to uncheck the box everytime you access the page, though
[19:53] <drew2121> =X
[20:24] <drew2121> firefox 4.0 is called minefield?
[20:25] <charlie-tca> hmmm, does the name fit the appliction?
[20:27] <micahg> drew2121: that's the trunk codename
[20:27] <drew2121> micahg: ok... weird =P
[20:32] <vish> drew2121: hey, yeah, you can add yourself to the list : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors with the time you are available
[20:32] <drew2121> Lol, its different every day, but mostly nights =)
[20:33] <vish> drew2121: heh, well, its the same way you did with ddecator ;) .. no one is available everyday..
[20:34] <drew2121> holy cow, is there a graphical editor? it looks like a mess when i try to edit it =X
[20:34] <micahg> drew2121: for what?
[20:34] <drew2121> the bugsquad mentors list =P
[20:36] <drew2121> micahg: i figured it out... Lol I'm just lazy =D
[20:36] <trinikrono> hey guys if a person attaches a patch to a buig report that fixes a problem
[20:36] <trinikrono> what should we do with it
[20:37] <trinikrono> ask them to send it upstream?
[20:37] <drew2121> trinikrono: bug #?
[20:38] <trinikrono> hey drew2121 bug 236046
[20:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 236046 in checkgmail (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "checkgmail tray background colour cannot be changed (affects: 27) (heat: 144)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236046
[20:41] <drew2121> You can send it upstream for them since there is an upstream task, but I would refer credit to Corona. I'm not sure really if it applies though, i'm not familiar with the checkgmail package...
[20:41] <trinikrono> you can install it :D
[20:41] <drew2121> trinikrono: haha, maybe later =D
[20:41] <trinikrono> its just to tell you when you get a new gmail
[20:42] <trinikrono> without logging in all the time
[20:42] <drew2121> i use thunderbird =), and i check it often
[20:42] <trinikrono> drew2121: lemme ask you something
[20:42] <trinikrono> you ever had to try to track a memory leak?
[20:42] <micahg> trinikrono: you should try to make sure to use dep-3: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[20:42] <trinikrono> using valgrind
[20:42] <drew2121> trinikrono: nope =X
[20:43] <trinikrono> micahg: O.o
[20:43] <drew2121> vish: I added myself to the list
[20:44] <trinikrono>  micahg so we should send the patch to the debian package?
[20:45] <drew2121> why is my name drew2121?!
[20:46] <micahg> trinikrono: you can check if Debian has a similar bug filed, if so, then yes, otherwise, just send straight upstrea,
[20:46] <micahg> *upstream
[20:46] <trinikrono> oo i go in the debian bug tracker then
[20:52] <trinikrono> micahg: well its not in the debian bug tracker
[20:52] <drew212> thanks micahg for hooking trinikrono up =)
[20:56] <vish> drew212: You've Got Mail! ;)
[20:56] <drew212> vish: sweet =)
[20:57] <micahg> drew212: np
[20:58] <drew212> micahg: my professor approved my honors project: fixing bug 18995 =)
[20:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 18995 in mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[MASTER] "Open With" dialog not user-friendly (affects: 48) (dups: 17) (heat: 387)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18995
[20:59] <drew212> hopefully this will get my good experience in the triaging/bugfixing process and put me in a position to fix more FF bugs =)
[21:55] <trinikrono> when a bug title has failed to update/upgrade returned exit status 2
[21:55] <trinikrono> should the bug be filed against the package or update manager
[21:56] <lifeless> usually the package
[22:38] <stlsaint> vish: :D
[22:53]  * penguin42 looks at a backtrace and wonders wth to report it against; it's an abort in an X library while running Synergy, but the assert is very odd
[23:35]  * stlsaint patiently awaits the contact from drew212 ;)


[00:00] <ScottK> Just to pick one trivial example, debdonf doesn't currently support 2.7.
[00:00] <ScottK> That one would be nice to fix before you change the default.
[00:01] <cjwatson> I can do that right now if you want
[00:01] <cjwatson> though there's a bit of an issue that it fails to build due to a missing MIR
[00:01] <ScottK> Sure, but it's just an example of how it's not nearly time to switch.
[00:01] <cjwatson> if somebody would like to respond to bug 681000 ...
[00:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681000 in qt4-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] qt4-perl (affects: 1) (heat: 505)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681000
[00:03] <ScottK> I've got other work I'd planned for tonight than arguing for at least a rudimentary level of preparation before switching Python defaults.
[00:06] <cjwatson> I really don't mind, I just want to get moving.  Can we enable 2.7 support tomorrow and aim for switching the default in time for Alpha 2?
[00:06] <doko> I'm open for suggestions to delay such a switch for a fixed amount of time if I know that people do work on solutions.  But in the current state of development I do accept a certain breakage which can be fixed within days
[00:06] <ScottK> 2.7 support is already enabled.
[00:07] <doko> I'll upload ~350 rebuilds within the next hour
[00:07] <cjwatson> doko: skaet asked to wait for tomorrow
[00:07] <cjwatson> you agreed, I thought
[00:07] <doko> ahh, ok
[00:07] <cjwatson> er, by tomorrow I mean after the release meeting
[00:09] <doko> cjwatson: that was with 2.7 as the default, not just adding rebuilds to get support for 2.7. this won't break anything. either the builds succeeds, or not
[00:11] <ScottK> cjwatson: I agree that rebuilding with 2.6 default and 2.7 support is safe and sane.
[00:12] <ScottK> support/supported
[00:13] <cjwatson> doko: no cases where installability might temporarily suffer due to multi-binary packages with Architecture: all and any combined?
[00:14] <cjwatson> the reason skaet was asking for a bit of a delay was that some images unexpectedly slipped from alpha-1 and she was contemplating the possibility of releasing them late
[00:14] <cjwatson> speaking of which, having another go at building ubuntu-netbook/armel now ...
[00:14] <doko> cjwatson: afaik, no. pending build failures on some architectures introduced by the toolchain
[00:15] <doko> ok, I'll wait on this one
[00:16] <cjwatson> we can probably cope with rebuilds that more-or-less-provably won't cause CD build failures
[00:17] <doko> the thing is that CD sizes will increase, and I cannot tell easily which universe package may succeed to build without having the main rebuilds in the archive
[00:19] <cjwatson> we're already oversized and not caring about it for alpha-1
[00:20] <doko> I'll just fire up a handful of builds which are known to be built first, I'll delay anything else for later
[01:05] <barry> sorry, i was at dinner.  "doing the archive test rebuild with python 2.7 as default" (and getting the results of that before switching to 2.7 as default permanently) was what i meant by "do it"
[01:25] <skaet_> just back from dinner as well.   Thanks cjwatson.  doko would like to see if we can get an armel  image, before things go into high churn mode.
[01:26]  * skaet_ just missed doko it appears.
[01:37] <skaet_> bjf, I think I've synched the links up with the master schedule now.  Please let me know if you find others,  I'm collecting a list ;)
[01:51] <bjf> skaet_, cool, have a good night
[01:51] <skaet_> thanks bjf,  you too
[10:04] <cjwatson> ogra,GrueMaster: does http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20101203/ work?
[10:04] <cjwatson> I built that last night just before going to bed
[10:51] <rsalveti> it should, but I'm downloading it to test
[10:53] <cjwatson> if it does, we can potentially release it and you can have an alpha-1 after all
[10:56] <rsalveti> cool, just writing it at the sd card and will report it back in some minutes
[11:29] <rsalveti> cjwatson: installed fine here, and I'm now at the efl interface
[11:29] <rsalveti> working nicely
[11:29] <rsalveti> ogra: the audio worked fine, but just after the second reboot (the first boot, after finishing the installer didn't recognize the sound card)
[11:30] <rsalveti> cjwatson: but I believe we can release it as a-1
[11:43] <ScottK> ara: Do you take care of updating ISO test procedures for iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[13:14] <pitti> are we going to have a release meeting today?
[14:49] <skaet_> pitti,  yes
[14:52] <skaet_> There's an agenda up, but probably more important at this stage is to get some understanding of how python2.7 transition is going to happen, and make sure everyone has chance to comment.
[14:54] <pitti> skaet_: *nod*
[15:29] <cjwatson> skaet_: OK, sounds like we can release that new netbook armel image for alpha-1, if you're OK with that.  It looks like I forgot to put it on the tracker - I've done that now so that publish-image-set can see it
[15:29] <cjwatson> skaet_: want me to just push it out now?
[15:29] <ogra_ac> oh, that would be cool
[15:29] <ogra_ac> it looks very good
[15:36] <skaet_> ogra_ac,  great.
[15:36] <skaet_> cjwatson, go ahead and push it
[15:36] <skaet_> I'll go in and update the technical overview so it has reference to it again.
[15:37] <skaet_> ogra_ac, any overview information and things to watch out for that should be added?
[15:39] <cjwatson> mkdir: cannot create directory `/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-netbook/releases/natty/alpha-1': No space left on device
[15:39] <cjwatson> oh FFS
[15:39] <ogra_ac> nothing, it seems to behave identical to the maverick release (even better in some areas)
[15:39] <ogra_ac> i havent seen any issues yet
[15:39]  * cjwatson nukes the www.prev backup tree
[15:39]  * ScottK makes a note of that acronym for future use.
[15:40] <ogra_ac> you mean "FFS (full free software)" ?
[15:40] <ogra_ac> :)
[15:40]  * skaet_ needs to figure out that acronym...
[15:40] <pitti> skaet_: for f***'s sake
[15:41] <skaet_> pitti, lol.   thanks!
[15:41] <pitti> skaet_: I know, not exactly the classical British understatement :)
[15:42] <cjwatson> that's OK, I'm not British ;-)
[15:42] <cjwatson> (well, I am.  kind of.  but.)
[15:42] <cjwatson> ok, I've pushed that image out now
[15:43] <rsalveti> awesome, thanks a lot :-)
[15:43] <cjwatson> is there any reason to consider the archive still semi-closed at this point?
[15:43] <cjwatson> (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/releases/natty/alpha-1/, when it's finished mirroring)
[15:43] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, do we?
[15:44] <cjwatson> well, I was avoiding syncs and the like in case we needed to respin late images.  but I think that's pretty unlikely at this point, right?
[15:44] <pitti> I saw the "released" and threw a lot of rebuilds against the archive (mostly for space reduction, but also some bug fixes)
[15:44] <ScottK> cjwatson: It would, however, to be nice to avoid the now almost traditional post-milestone that breaks the archive just as most everyone who could do something about it vanishes for the weekend.
[15:44] <cjwatson> yeah, keeping the archive semi-closed is more or less impossible :)
[15:44] <pitti> and #u-devel topic said "open", so sorry if that was premature
[15:44] <ScottK> post-milestone upload ...
[15:46] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html is looking basically no worse than just before the alpha
[15:49] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: I am just now waking up, and I have a meeting downtown in an hour, so I won't be able to do any testing on the image until later today.
[15:49] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: rsalveti has run it through and declared it OK, so I released it
[15:49] <cjwatson> (on top of the ad-hoc testing from yesterday)
[18:45] <apw> skaet_, i assume the milestone freeze came off today ?
[18:46] <ScottK> It did
[18:49] <apw> ScottK, thanks


[05:45] <melodie> hi
[05:45] <melodie> there is this bug which is not solved: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1025094
[05:45] <melodie> and this buddy found a turn around for it:
[05:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1025094 in gnome-system-tools "Change Advanced User Settings Window is taller than my screen and I can't press 'ok'." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:45] <melodie> http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,275.msg1899.html#msg1899
[05:47] <melodie> would it be worth suggesting to patch it with his turn around which means just changing one word : vertical, and replace it for horizontal, in one line of the users.ui file ? Or is it better to wait that someone changes it very seriously (and during this time we can't use it in all screens ?)
[10:08] <freakynl> How do I get someone assigned to a bug - or well - generally get someone to notice it?
[10:13] <hggdh> freakynl: you do not assign other people to a bug, ever. But you can (1) post the bug here (type in 'bug xxxxxx') (2) email one of the devel mailing lists. No matter what, do explain why you think that looking at this bug is more important than looking at any other bug
[10:13] <hggdh> in other words, give reasons of why one should stop and work on your bug
[10:20] <freakynl> hggdh: well, most importantly, it's ignored for 3 months. It's not hugely important (definitely not to me, I can fix stuff manually easily) - but some kind of response would have been appreciated
[10:23] <freakynl> bug 1111852
[10:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1111852 in targetcli (Ubuntu) "targetcli bug - buffered fileio mode not saved across reboots" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1111852
[10:23] <freakynl> Even assigning it a state of 'paused because of more important stuff' would have been appreciate. Now it's like nobody ever looks at it, which doesn't raise much confidence for something that's promoted as a server OS
[10:37] <hggdh> freakynl: does this happen on 12.04? What about 13.04?
[10:38] <hggdh> yeah, it will happen on 13.04
[10:38] <hggdh> same version
[10:47] <hggdh> freakynl: I marked it triaged, and added the workaround as shown in the iscsi-target thread; I do not have time to prepare a patch right now, but I will try to get it done as soon as possible. I also pinged the server team about it (but bear in mind that 13.04 is being released, so I would expect people to be quite busy
[10:48] <hggdh> freakynl: also, we have more bugs that people to work on them...
[11:49] <freakynl> hggdh: If you're busy or too loaded on other issues that's fine - my issue is largely with the lack of response, that doesn't raise confidence :). As you already saw the fix is rather simple though :). Fact that 13.04 has the same version is rather worrying too imho, updating kernels and neglecting their userland tools probably isn't advised by anyone... Thanks for the re's :)
[13:45] <hggdh> freakynl: actually, this goes back to Debian, we just import the package from there. We will need to get the fix into Debian as well
[16:10] <freakynl> hggdh: well thanks - gotta run
[18:14] <melodie> hello
[18:15] <melodie> about this bug:
[18:15] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1025094?comments=all
[18:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1025094 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Change Advanced User Settings Window is taller than my screen and I can't press 'ok'." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:16] <melodie> someone at Linuxvillage found a turn around: http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,275.msg1899.html#msg1899
[18:17] <melodie> what about using it for a fast fix until it could be worked on a better way ?
[18:17] <melodie> would it be a possible option ?


[03:01] <aram_> Hello Ubuntu team
[03:01] <aram_> I work for a state university in Mexico (Universidad Autonoma de Chihuahua).
[03:01] <aram_> We're currently renewing some of the classroom desktops, so far we have 150 Ubuntu desktops for students and teachers, we're proud to start using Ubuntu in the university and would love to be be added to the UbuntuSchools list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UbuntuSchools)
[03:01] <aram_> does anyone know who can help me with that?
[03:53] <tsimonq2> aram_: I'm heading off to bed, but idle here for the next day or two and someone will answer you :)
[03:53] <tsimonq2> (I don't know much about this)
[05:35] <Kilos> o/


[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> and i'm back off my hiatus to begin work :)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> thats really odd
[12:20] <asac> what :)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> ben uploaded kernel meta ~36hours ago
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i havent seen update for it yet
[12:23] <gnomefreak> do you have link for NEW query by chance id like to see if it made it that far
[12:24] <asac> htere is an url somewhere
[12:24] <asac> but I don't know
[12:24] <asac> maybe the bot?
[12:24] <asac> !new
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about new - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:24] <gnomefreak> no he wouldnt know
[12:25] <asac> then i don't know :)
[12:25] <asac> if you know let me know :)
[12:25] <asac> i wondered multiple times as well
[12:25] <gnomefreak> ill find out :)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> asac: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[12:31] <asac> hehe ... easy ... but not obvious
[12:31] <asac> most of us have holidays
[12:31] <asac> so might take some time .)
[12:31] <asac> in europe
[12:31] <gnomefreak> why is engmail in rejected :(
[12:32] <asac> should be in now
[12:32] <gnomefreak> ko
[12:32] <gnomefreak> k
[12:32] <asac> what do you see in gutsy?
[12:32] <asac> 0.95?
[12:33] <gnomefreak> 2:0.95.0-0ubuntu3
[12:33] <asac> ok
[12:33] <asac> thats the latest
[12:33] <asac> if you have it ... fine
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i do
[12:34] <gnomefreak> pocket == release mean it was pushed out of NEW?
[12:43] <asac> no idea ;)
[12:44] <asac> i actually don't want to know. I just want to get an email if things go wrong ... which unfortunately doesn't happen atm
[12:46] <gnomefreak> the archive admins dont let you know if ther eis a problem?
[12:46] <asac> they don't recognize it quickly enough
[12:46] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:46] <asac> i mean ... its not a problem if a thing goes to new
[12:47] <asac> but if i don't get a mail, then i don't remember to ask them to give them a fasttrack
[12:47] <asac> so enigmail was in binary new for more than a week
[12:47] <gnomefreak> ouch
[12:47] <asac> with mail this wouldn't have happened :)
[12:48] <asac> of course one could say, that I should remember :) ... but imo using brain power would be wasted that way.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> oh btw there might be an issue with engmail give me a few hours and i will let you know
[12:48] <asac> an issue?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> asac: you can only remember so many things
[12:49] <gnomefreak> yes like it doesnt work
[12:49] <asac> haven't seen a bug mail about that so far
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i tried sending a signed email to mikeb from the forums about the graphics thing and it wouldnt sign it
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i havent filed one yet
[12:50] <gnomefreak> i want to make sure it wasnt a fluke first
[12:52] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmm
[12:53] <gnomefreak> it freezes
[12:53] <gnomefreak> as soon as i hit send it freeze and become unresponsive
[12:55] <gnomefreak> the message i typed once i hit send it now just says Enigmail and i cant do anything with tbird at all
[12:55] <asac> gnomefreak: any errors in Error Console?
[12:55] <asac> e.g. Tools->Error Console I guess
[12:56] <gnomefreak> 1000      6647  7.1 17.9<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   06:54   0:08 /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderb
[12:56] <gnomefreak> that is process ill check console now
[12:56] <gnomefreak> no i wont
[12:57] <gnomefreak> it is frozen i cant get into console let me try opening console than sending email
[12:57] <asac> signing works for me
[12:57] <gnomefreak> if i kill the gpg process it kills the signing and unfreezes
[12:57] <asac> sending encrypted as well
[12:58] <asac> maybe your keyring is messed up?
[12:58] <asac> can you sign from the command line still?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> not sure how to
[12:59] <gnomefreak> cant read error console
[12:59] <asac> find out :) man gpg
[12:59] <asac> i guess its gpg --clearsign FILENAME_TO_SIGN
[12:59] <asac> or clear-sign or whatever
[12:59] <asac> look man
[12:59] <asac> :)
[01:00] <gnomefreak> trying something first
[01:00] <asac> tbird works for me like a charm :)
[01:00] <asac> actually i think i should upload icedove :)
[01:00] <asac> to debian ;)
[01:00] <asac> today i might have the time needed
[01:00] <asac> so ill do
[01:01] <gnomefreak> icedove 2.0*
[01:02] <gnomefreak> that was no help at all
[01:03] <gnomefreak> hmmm when i added email to my key should i have uploaded to keyservers?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> although it was working after that
[01:06] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[01:07] <gnomefreak> i wonder if changing my LP page changed my @ubuntu.com address
[01:10] <asac> does the key manager in enigmail still work?
[01:10] <asac> e.g. like refreshing keys et al
[01:11] <gnomefreak> it seems to
[01:12] <gnomefreak> i dont get it the body of the message once i hit send dissappears and is replaced with work Enigmail
[01:12] <gnomefreak> iirc works fine on feisty
[01:14] <gnomefreak> trying something else ill let you know. im really wondering if changing the name of LP page changed ubuntu.com email and it cant find it because its not<EMAIL_ADDRESS>anylonger
[01:15] <gnomefreak> asac: can you send mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>lets see if i get it
[01:26] <asac> j
[01:26] <asac> y
[01:26] <asac> sent
[01:26] <gnomefreak> it freezes no matter what my LP page says
[01:27] <gnomefreak> i purged thunderbird and enigmail and started over and its still freezing
[01:28] <gnomefreak> and killed old profile and started clean
[01:28] <gnomefreak> there has to be something wrong
[01:29] <asac> hmmm ... no duplicate reported yet
[01:29] <gnomefreak> when i click to sign it thunderbird process cpu% raises and stays there
[01:29] <gnomefreak> s/sign/send
[01:29] <asac> other extensions installed?
[01:29] <asac> does verifying signed mails work?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> no its a clean install with clean prfile
[01:30] <asac> is OpenPGP -> About broken?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> asac: dont know dont have one
[01:30] <gnomefreak> no
[01:30] <asac> what does it show?
[01:30] <asac> 550<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[01:30] <gnomefreak> lead devel
[01:30] <gnomefreak> thats what i was thinking
[01:31] <gnomefreak> changing my LP name fucked it up and when i changed it back to gnomefreak it never fixed itself
[01:31] <asac> check if you can sign on command-line :)
[01:31] <asac> before that i am not really inclined to digg around :)
[01:32] <asac> ensure that you have choosen a valid pgp identity
[01:32] <asac> as well
[01:32] <gnomefreak> its the only one i have
[01:33] <gnomefreak> yes i can sign from cli
[01:33] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Gutsy:~/saved_files$ gpg --clearsign bookmarks
[01:33] <gnomefreak> You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for
[01:33] <gnomefreak> user: "John Vivirito<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:33] <gnomefreak> 1024-bit DSA key, ID 3C1C3C2A, created 2006-03-07
[01:33] <asac> k check identity in account settings
[01:33] <asac> is that correct there?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> we found out
[01:34] <asac> what?
[01:35] <gnomefreak> when i changed my LP name it fucked the address up hes resetting it i think
[01:35] <gnomefreak> im in #canonical-sysadmin getting help
[01:36] <gnomefreak> that will atleast fix the 505 error
[01:36] <gnomefreak> i mean 550 error
[01:36] <asac> why did you change lp name
[01:36] <asac> ?
[01:36] <gnomefreak> i dont remmeber :(
[01:43] <gnomefreak> this should fix it ;)
[01:45] <gnomefreak> oh btw on the forums we will have ubuntu mozilla team rank soon
[01:45] <gnomefreak> you would have to email mikeb after its set up to get it added to you
[01:46] <asac> added to me?
[01:46] <asac> i don't want to have a rank ;)
[01:46] <gnomefreak> if you want it yes
[01:46] <asac> i have the ubuntu developer emblem :)
[01:46] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:46] <asac> should be enough to attract people ... we will soon need :)
[01:47] <asac> i need dapper helpers :)
[01:47] <gnomefreak> i asked for it to be made to help get peoples attention lets hope it works
[01:48] <asac> if you don't post on forums then they won't see anyway
[01:48] <gnomefreak> i am going to start now that they changed alot of it
[02:22] <gnomefreak> asac: your working on icedove for sid?
[02:32] <asac> y
[02:35] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:36] <asac> i am really behind
[02:36] <asac> people get unhappy :)
[02:36] <asac> they have been since the beginning
[02:37] <asac> but now i feel their complains become more and more valid every day :)
[02:37] <gnomefreak> they wil get over it ;)
[02:43] <asac> upload is now almost ready
[02:43] <asac> one more testspin
[02:43] <asac> then icedove gets up to NEW
[02:47] <asac> ok gone till tonight
[02:47] <gnomefreak> k cu later
[03:31] <gnomefreak> asac: its enigmail or tbird that is causing this. new profile new ~/.gnupg without the ubuntu.com address added reinstalled tbird and enigmail in gutsy and it still freezes when it should be signing email. body of message after hitting send says Enigmail and that is it. refreshed keys from keyservers also. im out of ideas now, maybe a lib that was upgraded interfers with it (i dont know)
[03:49] <gnomefreak> its finally fixed, damn i hate that crap.
[05:30] <asac> gnomefreak: what?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> i fixed tbird
[06:02] <gnomefreak> where is there a svg of the mozilla logo?
[06:03] <gnomefreak> and does it fit within license to use it on forums in the rank graphics?
[06:11] <asac> hehe
[06:11] <asac> obviously not
[06:12] <asac> firefox logo has heavy copyright and there is no public svg available for that
[06:12] <asac> what is the problem with tbird?
[06:12] <asac> or ... what was the problem with your tbird ;)
[06:21] <gnomefreak> enigmail freezing tbird i restarted pc and it worked :( im off to an appt. be back later.
[06:24] <asac> tse
[06:24] <asac> ;)
[06:24] <asac> thunderbird running
[06:25] <asac> i hate debian uploads :) ... always with binaries
[10:44] <gnomefreak> !moztest
[10:44] <ubotu> The Mozilla-testing repos can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives. Please remember these are testing repos, the packages in these repos are not stable and may break things on your system. Use with caution. Please report bugs found from these packages to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/PreviewArchives/Bugs.
[10:47] <gnomefreak> asac: did you poke one of the archive admins to find out if something is wrong?
[10:47] <asac> about what?
[10:47] <gnomefreak> iceape
[10:47] <gnomefreak> linux-meta :(
[10:47] <asac> no ... since most are on holiday :)
[10:48] <gnomefreak> oh thats right today is german/NL/dutch holiday
[10:48] <asac> y
[10:48] <gnomefreak> its beena long day
[10:48] <asac> even longer her for now :)
[10:49] <asac> hehe
[10:49] <asac> i don't work all the time :)
[10:49] <gnomefreak> true
[10:49] <asac> but usually i do more on computer than just work :)
[10:49] <asac> like talking in ubuntu-motu-torrent right now :)
[10:49] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:50] <asac> gnomefreak: can we talk a bit about release policy for preview archives?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:51] <asac> lets maintain at least for feisty archive some level of stability
[10:51] <asac> :)
[10:51] <gnomefreak> asac: they are all stable for most part
[10:51] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:51] <asac> mostly like providing backports, e.g. firefox-preview/trunk and tbird 2.0 for now
[10:51] <asac> hehe
[10:52] <asac> i mean i will call for constant testing with focussed testing periods soon on forums and load will go up of archive :)
[10:52] <gnomefreak> i need to make a feisty chroot on my gutsy sys and see why trunk wont build
[10:54] <gnomefreak> asac: i would like to have some sort of way to tell whos testing what. if we are going to backport tbird or whatever i would like a way to say its been tested for this ling
[10:54] <gnomefreak> long.
[10:54] <gnomefreak> but now we have issues to look at with that
[10:55] <gnomefreak> last i heard and i havent gotten to jdong about this yet but he has a bug that he stated hes going to backport tbird2.0 i would rather us release it to the backport team rather then not touch it. this way if ther eis issues we are informed right away during our test builds, not to mention we have already really done all the work on that
[10:58] <asac> so what is your idea?
[10:58] <asac> what shall we do when we have some kind of backport for instance?
[10:58] <asac> like now
[10:58] <asac> whom to tell to do the backport?
[10:58] <asac> or is this not what you suggest?
[10:58] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[10:59] <asac> gnomefreak: my idea is like this:
[10:59] <gnomefreak> i suggest we do all the work than either give the backport team the source to build it as is. with our patches with our work inside it (so we are consistent) and they can respin or upload as needed
[11:00] <asac> yes ... but that is if we have enough testing done, right?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> hint we already have tbird2.0 just about ready for backporting
[11:00] <asac> there are no changes needed atm, right?
[11:01] <gnomefreak> right but how do we say we have tested this app for 2 months (and beable to show it)
[11:01] <asac> ah ok ... keeping better records
[11:01] <asac> ok
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont really know i will look at it
[11:01] <asac> actually my idea is like this:
[11:01] <asac> we setup tasks descriptions on wiki
[11:01] <gnomefreak> asac: john doe comes to us says i would like to test iceape on feisty? how do we use this for our good
[11:01] <asac> like "dedicated feisty preview tester"
[11:02] <gnomefreak> asac: that could work
[11:02] <gnomefreak> thats what the idea behind the testing team was
[11:02] <asac> then we setup general testplans those volunteers should test whenever they get a new release
[11:02] <gnomefreak> and they were there not as general screw around with unstalbe apps but more of a testing this with this arch against these odds or with these apps installed
[11:03] <asac> in addition we announce special testing focus, like: we are trying fixes for plugin stuff ... this might break plugins, please use plugins extensively now for a while :)
[11:03] <gnomefreak> this sounds good
[11:03] <asac> ok, what QA jobs do we have?
[11:04] <asac> definitly we should have dedicated dapper testers
[11:04] <gnomefreak> i havent thought that far into
[11:04] <asac> the sooner the better
[11:04] <gnomefreak> we have no dapper repo
[11:04] <gnomefreak> i guess its time to make it ;)
[11:04] <asac> no ... but we will definitly need one
[11:04] <asac> there might be a huge transition
[11:04] <asac> :)
[11:05] <asac> like ... everything needs rebuild because firefox 2 is coming :)
[11:05] <gnomefreak> i would like something up on gutsy repo before we make a dapper one so "I" know im doing it right
[11:05] <asac> actually i am unsure about gutsy repo
[11:05] <asac> maybe its good because the most wicked testers might want to run gutsy
[11:05] <gnomefreak> should i change it to dapper
[11:06] <asac> normal things can be tested by just uploading to gutsy and see :)
[11:06] <gnomefreak> should we make an edgy one to slap icepae in due to removal of mozilla-suite
[11:07] <gnomefreak> gutsy is our concern to get our things in there not so much testing because it will get testing by the gutsy testers
[11:07] <asac> gnomefreak: actually i would like to concentrate on some important things for now
[11:07] <asac> if we have more time you can provide edgy repo as well :)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> k
[11:08] <gnomefreak> what do we want in dapper repo. ffox2 and tbird2?
[11:08] <asac> tbird not now :)
[11:08] <asac> ffox is enough ;)
[11:08] <asac> god safe me
[11:08] <asac> anyone things he can handle this tonight ... so when i wake up everything is done :)
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ok are we building against the nss and nspr we use now or use the ones in dapper?
[11:08] <asac> thinks
[11:08] <asac> i am not yet sure
[11:08] <asac> i think we don't want to do that
[11:09] <asac> whichi would be unfortunate because we will diverge from current one right from the beginning
[11:09] <asac> meaning yet another tree to manage
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i will set up feisty and dapper chroots over night into tomorrow and start getting ready for the builds i will change repo info to dapper instead of gutsy
[11:10] <asac> gnomefreak: look at rdepends of firefox and libnss3 and libnspr4 :)
[11:10] <asac> those need a respin
[11:10] <gnomefreak> mozilla apps are not the only thing that depends on nss and nspr right?
[11:10] <asac> and after dist-upgrade, no crashes must occur
[11:10] <asac> hehe
[11:10] <asac> not ... and even worse ... there are apps depending on firefox unstable api
[11:10] <asac> apt-cache rdepends <packagename>
[11:10] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[11:11] <gnomefreak> major project backporting ffox btw
[11:11] <gnomefreak> can you say holy frigging shit
[11:12] <asac> yeah
[11:12] <gnomefreak> this is a month worth of work for the 2 of us
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i only checked rdepends firefocx
[11:12] <gnomefreak> fox
[11:13] <gnomefreak> biggest issue IMO yelp
[11:13] <gnomefreak> biggest issue IMO   xubuntu-desktop
[11:13] <gnomefreak>  |xdg-utils
[11:13] <gnomefreak>   ubuntu-serverguide
[11:13] <gnomefreak>   ubuntu-desktop
[11:13] <asac> check in dapper
[11:13] <asac> first we concentrate on main
[11:13] <asac> then universe
[11:13] <gnomefreak> flash and a bunch of others. i cant check dapper yet
[11:13] <asac> yeah flash might be a problem as well :)
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ok ill start on dapper chroot now.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> should be done by end of night
[11:14] <asac> yes ... lets get started :(
[11:14] <gnomefreak> just dapper right now right?
[11:15] <asac> maybe take feisty firefox to start :)
[11:15] <asac> if it fails to build ... then we should use new package and make proper package
[11:15] <gnomefreak> ok ill build feisty tonight too
[11:15] <asac> but if it works its a good start
[11:15] <asac> no ... build feisty version in dapper :)
[11:15] <asac> then install that
[11:15] <asac> and build rdepends
[11:15] <asac> one by one
[11:15] <asac> :)
[11:15] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:15] <asac> start with epiphany-browser and hope that it doesn't fail to build :)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ok let me get started you may have to remind me depending when i get done
[11:16] <gnomefreak> it will
[11:16] <gnomefreak> you know it will
[11:16] <asac> locales won't be much of a problem ... so you won't need to test them
[11:17] <asac> ... for now :)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ok its building basic chroot atm im going for smoke to swallow all this work ahead.  i can honsetly say it wont be boring!
[11:22] <asac> hehe
[11:22] <asac> yes, thats the right attitude i guess
[11:22] <asac> :)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> where should i grab source from bzr, preview archive, or package.ubuntu.com?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> and should i use the latest upstream source?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> source from ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest-2.0/source/firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>-source.tar.bz2
[11:29] <gnomefreak> ok grabbing source just need to know what build to use of the 3 choices above
[11:35] <asac> hmm
[11:36] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:36] <asac> if you use bzr you need to use nss
[11:36] <asac> and nspr as well
[11:36] <asac> let me think a while
[11:36] <gnomefreak> than lets use the one from packages.ubuntu.com?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> you have plenty of time
[11:52] <gnomefreak> goes to set alias for rdepends before i forget
[11:52] <gnomefreak> im gonna ban him :(
[11:53] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrr
[12:00] <asac> he?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> some annoying guy that loves to highlight me thinking i have answer to all problems
[12:01] <gnomefreak> hopefully he stopped
[12:04] <asac> i hate regexps


[02:03] <Technoviking> anyway to make U1 sync files automatic after login?
[04:00] <Chipaca> Technoviking: yes: update :)
[04:00] <Chipaca> Technoviking: it was fixed a couple of hours ago
[04:12] <duanedesign> Chipaca: that is nightlies right?
[04:14] <duanedesign> aha, ,looks like it. Awesome!
[05:08] <dr_spork> honk
[07:41] <kermiac> hi, could conflict files be created due to a user un-registering u1 & re-registering without manually deleting the token in seahorse? (i.e due to bug 545506)
[07:42] <kermiac> OP's problem is now fixed, just wondering if Ishould dupe it against 545506?
[07:54] <duanedesign> hello kermiac
[07:54] <kermiac> hey duanedesign :)
[07:55] <duanedesign> i saw gmail notifications coming up, i was wondering who was working on bugs :)
[07:55] <kermiac> only me, lol   any idea about ^^  ?    bug 550987
[07:56] <kermiac> OP's prob is now fixed, but I think it would probably be a dupe
[07:59] <duanedesign> kermiac: i would say it is not a dupe of bug  5[4]5506
[08:00] <kermiac> ok, no probs.... I'll just close it off as invalid as the issue has now been resolved & it was possibly a mixture of known bugs that the poor OP came up against. Thanks for looking :)
[08:02] <kermiac> duanedesign: did I ever let you know that r_ye & I discussed the "sys_server_rescan" bugs that we talked about a couple of weeks ago?
[08:02] <duanedesign> It did seem to be stuck in Standoff bug 487257
[08:03] <kermiac> ok, looking :)
[08:06] <kermiac> yes duanedesign that looks like a great candidate to dupe against... ty :)
[08:08] <kermiac> I noticed 487257 isn't listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Bugs   do you think it should it get added for future reference? Obviously I didn't know about that bug & I use the wiki pages as a cheat-sheet for know issues
[08:09] <duanedesign> kermiac: right, i do the same thing. I am not sure what the criteria is, if any at all, for putting bugs on there
[08:11] <kermiac> duanedesign: glad to see it's not only me, lol. I might see if I can catch joshua or r_ye & ask them if I'm around when they're here over the next couple of days
[08:17] <duanedesign> kermiac: i think i read the scrollback on the SYS_SERVER_RESCAN but i dont remember what was decided.
[08:18] <duanedesign> did we open up the bug report, or create another?
[08:20] <kermiac> duanedesign: we still make new reports a dupe of 458393. "Fix Released" means it is fixed "somewhere" not neccessarily in all versions of ubuntu. In this particular case it is fixed in lucid, but not karmic, jaunty, etc
[09:28] <kermiac> hey rye :) you got a sec for a quick question about getting bug 487257 added to the bugs page on the wiki?
[09:29] <rye> kermiac, yup
[09:30] <kermiac> duane_design & I weren't sure if there is some sort of criteria there is for adding a known bug to the wiki. We both use that page as a kind of "cheat sheet"
[09:30] <kermiac> do you know if it would be ok to add that bug to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Bugs
[09:32] <kermiac> rye ^^
[09:33] <rye> kermiac, i believe yes, I am now working on the script that would automatically mark such items as duplicates (something that should have been done long long ago but made it into ubuntuone-client only with revision r464(
[09:33] <kermiac> rye: a bug pattern?
[09:33] <rye> kermiac, we can not use bugpatterns properly for now, but the fix is committed now
[09:34] <rye> kermiac, bug #552511 :(
[09:34] <kermiac> ok, looking at ^^
[09:35] <rye> kermiac, so that page is extremely helpful for that and I believe that if there are more than 10 bug reports about the same thing it should go there
[09:38] <kermiac> rye: 552511 will be very useful... more log files are definately a good thing :)
[09:38] <kermiac> rye: Thanks for the info on the bug wiki page. I guess anyone can add to that wiki page as long as they have a wiki account, right?
[09:38] <rye> kermiac, if that can be automated... then why not?
[09:39] <rye> kermiac, yup, full access for everyone :)
[09:39] <kermiac> exactly... I was wondering why there didn't appear to be any bug patterns for U1 - that explains it :)
[09:39] <rye> kermiac, there are already two bug patterns :)
[09:39] <kermiac> rye: ok, when I get time I'll add 487257 to the wiki page
[09:40] <kermiac> rye: oh, I didn't know that
[09:40] <rye> kermiac, a small question regarding bugpatterns - when the bug is already filed, is it possible for apport to somehow re-check the bugpatterns database?
[09:41] <rye> kermiac, something like retracer, but not for coredumps?
[09:43] <kermiac> rye: hmmm.... I'm not 100% sure, but i don't think so. I know Brian Murray (bdmurray on IRC) would know for sure. I know that "bughugger" can search for dupes, but it's a manual process - you need to manually search for dupes
[09:44] <kermiac> rye: https://edge.launchpad.net/bughugger
[10:00] <duanedesign> rye: I am working on another bug like bug 537610
[10:01] <duanedesign> The message about ValueError replaces the Devices tab info so the preferences window cannot be used to troubleshoot this error.
[10:01] <rye> duanedesign, ah, I have just re-marked 3 of them as duplicates of this one...
[10:01] <duanedesign> i am just making sure i understand that last sentence
[10:02] <rye> duanedesign, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/40820922/Schermata-Preferenze%20di%20Ubuntu%20One.png
[10:02] <rye> duanedesign, no buttons for bandwidth throttling control -> preferences window cannot be used to adjust the limits
[10:03] <duanedesign> ahhhh.
[10:03] <duanedesign> ok
[10:17] <rye> ok, script is ready and started. Hopefully lp guys won't kick me :)
[10:18] <rye> well, it is just search-bugs with some tweaks for tag-less ubuntuone client
[10:22] <rye> ok, it looks like it is working, adding all bug patterns from /Bugs page
[10:26] <duanedesign> rye: that will be nice
[10:27] <rye> duanedesign, will post the script to do all this to ubuntuone-scripts once it proves to be usable
[10:27] <NickL> rye: I'm still having syncing problems, music is in my one.ubuntu.com/files, but they're not syncing locally. I ran that python script I was sent but still no joy :-(
[10:28] <rye> NickL, and your client is in IDLE now, right?
[10:28] <NickL> rye: It's idle State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[10:28] <NickL>     connection: With User With Network
[10:28] <NickL>     description: processing queues
[10:28] <NickL>     is_connected: True
[10:28] <NickL>     is_error: False
[10:28] <NickL>     is_online: True
[10:28] <NickL>     queues: WORKING_ON_METADATA
[10:28] <NickL> rye:  it said that yesterday too.
[10:29] <rye> NickL, hm, working on metadata?... could you please post what "grep MARK ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log | tail -n 1" says?
[10:34] <NickL> I'm not too good with the command line so navigated to the syncdaemon file and pasted it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407485/
[10:34] <NickL> rye: ^
[10:38] <NickL> rye: Just realied you gave me the command, here it is: 2010-04-01 10:36:10,902 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: <State: 'QUEUE_MANAGER'  (queues WORKING_ON_METADATA  connection 'With User With Network')>; queues: metadata: 233; content: 0; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=45041 miss=21970) ----
[10:38] <rye> NickL, may i ask you to re-run that command in a minute, if "queues: metadata: 233" does not change then something is really stuck
[10:38] <NickL> rye: no problem.
[10:39] <rye> NickL, thanks!
[10:49] <duanedesign> rye: I moved my Ubuntu One, Desktopcouch, CouchDB projects page to the ubuntu wiki. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/ThirdPartyProjects
[10:50] <duanedesign> so if you come across anyone working on anything or you have something to put on there...
[11:24] <rye> ok, let the madness begin, complete scan of all apport bugs for ubuntuone-client with all bugpatterns
[11:28] <\sh> rye, have fun ;)
[11:29] <PaulGit> Morning all, I have just received an update to some U1 packages under Lucid, will these have the auto-connect functionality in them?  If so how does it work (does it check every so often or only when there is a change?)
[11:39] <PaulGit> Gents, what version of python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol etc should I have installed under lucid because now ubuntuone-client-gnome will not install. :(
[11:49] <NickL> rye: queues has reduced from 233 to 222, so I guess that's a good sign?
[11:50] <rye> NickL, this is a good sign, but why is it THAT slow?
[11:50] <NickL> Rye: I have no idea. I'm a millbank so we have plenty of bandwidth.
[11:55] <duanedesign> PaulGit: ubuntuone-client (1.1.90-0ubuntu1) lucid  does have the autostart
[11:58] <PaulGit> duanedesign: That's what I have installed, however the gnome and rythmbox integration got removed and won't install as they are expecting a different verison of ubuntuone-client maybe they will be upgraded later?  Should auto-connect work without these?  If so how does it work because it has not autoconnected.
[11:59] <rye> yummy - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns/revision/122
[12:26] <rye> anybody against changing "Files are marked for deletion on server when syncdaemon is killed during sync" to "Capabilities mismatch error displayed for outdated clients with possible data loss bug"
[12:26] <rye> duanedesign, ^
[12:27] <rye> kermiac_, ^
[12:31] <kermiac> rye: awesome work wrt the bugpattern :)
[12:31] <rye> hm, ssl bugs need some more love :(
[12:32] <kermiac> rye: what are you reffering to with the last comment? what is getting changed, where? (sorry half asleep - it's been a long day)
[12:33] <rye> kermiac, ah, no, that was my debug output - the ssl bugs are not properly traced via bug partterns, need some adjustment but it is hard to say what exactly now, so I give the bug reports more love :)
[12:35] <kermiac> ok rye, have fun mate :)
[12:35] <kermiac> g'night
[12:35] <rye> kermiac, good night!
[12:40] <NickL> rye: the queue is still stuck at 222. 2010-04-01 12:38:10,902 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: <State: 'QUEUE_MANAGER'  (queues WORKING_ON_METADATA  connection 'With User With Network')>; queues: metadata: 222; content: 0; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=45041 miss=21970) ----
[12:41] <rye> verterok, could you please check why 11 metadata queries took 2 hours ^
[13:05] <duanedesign> rye: where are you changing that wording to 'Capabilities mismatch  error displayed for outdated clients with possible data loss bug
[13:05] <duanedesign> rye: where are you changing that wording to 'Capabilities mismatch  error displayed....'
[13:05] <duanedesign> oops
[13:06] <rye> duanedesign, bug #462828
[13:06] <rye> duanedesign, i have appended the "capabilities mismatch" thing so that this bug report looks related to the issue clients get
[13:08] <duanedesign>  yes that makes sense.
[13:16] <PaulGit> duanedesign: What's the latest version of ubuntuone-client-gnome?, repos show 1.1.4 but that does not work with 1.1.90 ubuntuone-client
[13:18] <jdobrien> PaulGit, hmm
[13:18] <jdobrien> PaulGit, so perhaps that's why it wasn't installed when I just did a dist-upgrade
[13:19] <PaulGit> jdobrien: I guess atleast I am happy it's not just a problem with my setup! ;)
[13:30] <rye> Automatic duplicate finder is now starting to work, in case you are sure that the duplicate status is wrong, please ping me and assign bugpattern-invalid-duplicate tag to the bug report for bugpatterns to be readjusted
[13:30] <rye> thanks!
[13:58] <duanedesign> PaulGit: ubuntuone-client-gnome_1.1.90-0ubuntu1
[13:59] <dobey> PaulGit: are you on 64 bit?
[14:00] <duanedesign> aha
[14:01] <duanedesign> i only see i386 and armel
[14:01] <duanedesign> dobey: is that correct?
[14:02] <dobey> huh?
[14:03] <dobey> now, of course having only some of the packages in the archive is not correct
[14:05] <PaulGit> dobey: Yes, 64bit
[14:05] <PaulGit> duanedesign: Thanks, looks like it has not made the 64bit repos yet...
[14:17] <rye> duanedesign, https://code.launchpad.net/~rye/apport/ubuntuone-bugpatterns - ubuntuone-client.* scripts that are used to make bugpatterns work with our key-less file names
[14:18] <duanedesign> rye: awesome!
[14:54] <diverse_izzue> honk. ubuntuone is not working for me on lucid, can somebody help with searching errors?
[14:55] <rye> diverse_izzue, yup, could you please describe the issue in more details?
[14:55] <diverse_izzue> rye, sure. so first thing, is there no autostart? after logging in, i don't have an ubuntuone process running
[14:56] <rye> diverse_izzue, could you please check what version of ubuntuone-client you are running - apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client
[14:57] <diverse_izzue> 1.1.90
[15:00] <rye> diverse_izzue, ok, could you please paste the contents of ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf ?
[15:03] <diverse_izzue> [bandwidth_throttling]read_limit = 0write_limit = 0on = False
[15:03] <diverse_izzue> (i condensed that to one line, there were line breaks)
[15:07] <fagan> aquarius: desktop couch is maxing out my cpu after the last lucid update
[15:07] <fagan> that and the ubuntuone-login
[15:07] <aquarius> fagan, yep. We're discussing that right now. It's not actually a desktopcouch problem; it's something to do with D-Bus and the gnome keyring, we think.
[15:07] <rye> diverse_izzue, could you please remove  ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf - bug #537610
[15:08] <aquarius> CardinalFang, what's the current best thought on the 100% CPU issue/
[15:08] <aquarius> fagan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549108
[15:08] <CardinalFang> aquarius, Fix libgnome-keyring0.
[15:09] <diverse_izzue> rye, sure, and then?
[15:09] <rye> diverse_izzue, u1sdtool --connect or use ubuntuone-preferences / MeMenu
[15:12] <diverse_izzue> rye, thanks. things are improving. the ui now claims "synchronising" as opposed to "disconnected" before
[15:13] <diverse_izzue> on the middle tab "devices" i have an error message, it might be the same as the bug describes, also sometihng about a value being zero
[15:14] <CardinalFang> Whoa.  "top" says Chrome is taking "9999" percent of my CPU.  Take that, desktopcouch.
[15:15] <rye> diverse_izzue, hm, is the error message present now?
[15:16] <diverse_izzue> rye, yes
[15:20] <rye> diverse_izzue, could you please close preferences window and open it again?
[15:22] <diverse_izzue> rye,  after i close it, apport appears, i reported that before, bug #553318)
[15:22] <diverse_izzue> after reopening, the error is the same
[15:22] <rye> o_O
[15:22] <rye> hm, I don't have access to that bug report
[15:22] <rye> diverse_izzue, ^
[15:23] <diverse_izzue> rye, changed to non-private
[15:25] <rye> diverse_izzue, thanks, hm
[15:25] <rye> diverse_izzue, trying to reproduce this
[15:26] <diverse_izzue> rye,  great, let me know if i can help
[15:28] <rye> The devices connected with your __pseronal__ cloud network are listed below???
[15:28] <diverse_izzue> that's what it says, yes
[15:29] <rye> joshuahoover, ^
[15:29] <joshuahoover> rye: catching up...
[15:29] <rye> joshuahoover, only last 3 replies
[15:29] <dobey> oh ffs
[15:30]  * dobey bangs his head upon his DESKTOP
[15:30] <PaulGit> dobey: Wassup?
[15:31] <joshuahoover> rye: so diverse_izzue deleted his syncdaemon.conf file and still gets this error?
[15:32] <rye> joshuahoover, well, i was pointing at "pseronal" actually, checking how to reproduce that issue now
[15:32] <diverse_izzue> joshuahoover, yes. the syncdaemon.conf file has been created again though, and still looks the same
[15:32] <joshuahoover> rye: ah
[15:33] <rye> diverse_izzue, i believe i know why
[15:33] <dobey> PaulGit: apparently one shouldn't make changes to code at 7:30 pm after working for like 10 hours
[15:33] <rye> or not
[15:33] <PaulGit> dobey: Indeed this is correct because you will end up spending 10 hours fixing it ;)
[15:34] <dobey> no, you will make a stupid typo
[15:34] <rye> diverse_izzue, reproduced the crash
[15:34] <dobey> like 'pseronal'
[15:35] <PaulGit> dobey: I once tried to 'reconfigure' xorg after returning from the pub....not a smart move.
[15:35] <dobey> rye, diverse_izzue: i see what the problem for your issue is
[15:36] <diverse_izzue> dobey, great, will you share the epiphany?
[15:36] <joshuahoover> dobey: don't feel bad...how about those of us who reviewed it and let it pass? :)
[15:36] <dobey> joshuahoover: it wasn't reviewed
[15:37] <joshuahoover> dobey: psernoal cloud network? hmmm...i thought it was
[15:37] <dobey> diverse_izzue: it looks like handle_bw_controls_changed() uses a timeout
[15:38] <rye> dobey, again!... 0 as the write limit...
[15:38] <dobey> rye: different problem
[15:38] <dobey> joshuahoover: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-client/trunk/revision/467
[15:39] <dobey> diverse_izzue: handle_bw_controls_changed() uses a timeout_add_seconds()
[15:40] <dobey> diverse_izzue: so apparently there's a little race going on
[15:40] <rye> STR: remove syncdaemon.conf, start ubuntuone-preferences with 0 write/read entry. - syncdaemon is started, ubuntuone-preferences displays error
[15:40] <rye> quit ubuntuone-preferences -> syncdemon.conf ends with 0 as write limit which breaks it again and again
[15:41] <dobey> STOP PUTTING 0 IN THE ENTRIES THEN :)
[15:41] <rye> dobey, tell that to older ubuntuone-client-applet versions
[15:41] <rye> diverse_izzue, to resolve this you will need to quit syncdaemon - u1sdtool --quit then remove the config and you will be fine then
[15:42] <rye> dobey, we are alarming about 0 as the value EVEN if BANDWIDTH THROTTLING is DISABLED
[15:42]  * rye did not scream, IRC laks bold font
[15:42] <dobey> rye: then fix syncdaemon
[15:42] <rye> lacks
[15:42] <dobey> irc has bold
[15:43] <dobey> *see*
[15:43] <rye> ah
[15:43] <dobey> well, i don't know if xchat/pidgin/whatever make that bold
[15:43] <dobey> but irssi does
[15:43] <rye> xchat does not
[15:46] <diverse_izzue> rye, that, and a log out, then it's solved
[15:46] <diverse_izzue> but, rye, is it normal that ubuntuone doesn't automatically start on login?
[15:47] <dobey> i am an idiot.
[15:48] <rye> diverse_izzue, your bug report will be the first one with proper bug pattern, congratulations! :)
[15:48] <dobey> diverse_izzue: apparently also my bad
[15:49] <diverse_izzue> rye, how so?
[15:49] <diverse_izzue> dobey, did you remove the xdg autostart file from the package?
[15:49] <dobey> diverse_izzue: no
[15:49] <dobey> diverse_izzue: i forgot to add them to the package
[15:50] <diverse_izzue> ah :-)
[15:50] <diverse_izzue> same effect
[16:01] <rye> diverse_izzue, re: bugpattern - try submitting the same crash report  - it will decline that
[16:03] <diverse_izzue> rye, i don't get the crash anymore, so i can't :-) but i believe what you say
[16:48] <PaulGit> Nope, trust me.
[16:48] <PaulGit> Ooops
[17:35] <dobey> rye: is ubuntuone-client-gnome stll out of sync for 64bit?
[17:56] <rockstar> honk
[17:57] <CardinalFang> rockstar, welcome.  Proceed.
[17:57] <rockstar> CardinalFang, :)  I bought some music on the music store yesterday morning and it still hasn't made its way to my machine.
[18:06] <CardinalFang> rockstar, hrm.  Sorry about that.  Open a terminal and type:  u1sdtool -s
[18:06] <CardinalFang> What is the "State" line?
[18:07] <rockstar> CardinalFang, State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[18:14] <CardinalFang> rockstar, just past the entire results, updated now.  Say if anything is different than last time.
[18:20] <rockstar> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/407668/
[18:21] <rockstar> CardinalFang, nothing is different than the first time.
[18:23] <vds> PaulGit: I've seen the logs and there's nothing useful there so I guess I'll add some more logging and ask you to test again
[18:24] <PaulGit> vds:OK, I will get prepared.  Let me know when you are ready!
[18:25] <vds> PaulGit: thanks a lot!
[18:32] <PaulGit> vds: Ready whenever you are, will be monitoring channel all evening....
[18:40] <rockstar> CardinalFang, any joy?
[18:43] <CardinalFang> rye, any advice for rockstar?
[18:46] <rye> CardinalFang, rockstar, syncdaemon is IDLE, so it means that it does not receive anything from the servers. rockstar, could you please try to restart syncdaemon - u1sdtool -q; u1sdtool --connect ?
[18:49] <rockstar> rye, so, the store still thinks it's transferring the music to the storage.
[18:49] <rye> rockstar, hm... so you can't actually get the music from /files/ web interface?
[18:49] <CardinalFang> maybe.  your computer think it should be.
[18:51] <rockstar> rye, I don't usually use the web interface, but I can confirm they aren't available there.
[18:51] <rye> aquarius, ^
[18:52] <aquarius> rockstar, hey. I'm really frantically trying to get stuff released right now; will you be around in a little while?
[18:52] <rockstar> aquarius, absolutely.  In fact, I'm trying to get work done myself, but didn't want to go without making sure the bug was an issue.
[18:52] <rockstar> Later is better for me.
[18:53] <rye> CardinalFang, regarding desktopcouch 100% cpu usage and unwilling to replicate thing - is it fixed for desktopcouch?
[18:54] <CardinalFang> rye, I'm testing.
[18:54] <CardinalFang> rye, offhand, I think it's not.  I must reboot a few times and construct a timeline.
[19:05] <aquarius> CardinalFang, nice work closing all those dbus segfault bugs. I bet that felt good.
[19:07] <CardinalFang> aquarius, yeah.  I wish it were over.  Still in the aftermath of the "fix" for it in libgnome-keyring.
[19:16] <Bookman> Hey everyone!  I get this today when I try to start up Ubuntu One: Failed to execute child process "ubuntuone-client-applet" (No such file or directory)
[19:17] <CardinalFang> Hi Bookman.  How are you trying to start it up?
[19:18] <Bookman> Applications>Internet>Ubuntu One
[19:19] <CardinalFang> Bookman, weird.  We threw out the applet, and there shouldn't be a menu for it now.
[19:19] <Bookman> I just updated about 15 minutes ago
[19:21] <CardinalFang> Bookman, okay, well the only thing *wrong* so far is that you have an out-of-date menu item.
[19:22] <Bookman> How should it be started now?
[19:22] <CardinalFang> Bookman, via Nautilus, iirc, as a plugin.
[19:23] <CardinalFang> Bookman, this is getting out of my expertise now.
[19:26] <Bookman> No problem.  anyone else?  Do I have to re-install to get it all working?
[19:41] <Bookman> honk
[19:47] <CardinalFang> Bookman, what are you looking for?  If you run "u1sdtool -s", does it say it's connected?
[19:49] <Bookman> I just want to connect here.  It says not connected
[19:50] <Bookman> I have no idea how to start the service.
[19:51] <CardinalFang> Bookman, Hrm,  it should start on its own.  u1sdtool --start  to force it.
[19:51] <rye> CardinalFang, hm... what if users have xdg link to ubuntuone-client-applet still, in autostart
[19:52] <rye> CardinalFang, the one that was implanted by ubuntuone-applet
[19:52] <rye> client applet
[19:52] <dobey> rye: it doesn't matter
[19:52] <dobey> the autostart is irrelevant
[19:52] <dobey> if it doesn't exist, it won't start :)
[19:53] <dobey> CardinalFang: btw, no, nautilus doesn't start the syncdaemon
[19:54] <CardinalFang> dobey, Oh.  I thought it would.  On the to-do list or something.
[19:54] <Bookman> CardinalFang, I don't want to force it.  I just want to provide feedback and actually have it work properly.
[19:54] <CardinalFang> Bookman, agreed.
[19:55] <dobey> CardinalFang: there's a new wrapper script, and autostart file, which will do, but forgot to actually add them to the right package, so they're missing from the deb package still :(
[19:59] <CardinalFang> Aw dang.
[20:07] <Bookman> I assume that is the problem I'm seeing?
[20:09] <CardinalFang> rye, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome-keyring/+bug/530605
[20:09] <CardinalFang> rye, comments at end.
[20:10] <rye> dobey, hm, nautilus calls ubuntuone status for get root, etc, so it should start syncdaemon
[20:10] <dobey> no
[20:10] <dobey> well yes but no
[20:11] <dobey> it only does it when you enter the Ubuntu One folder
[20:11] <dobey> there is some funky logic there
[20:11] <rye> Ctrl-\...
[20:22] <mxpxpod> is there a PPA for the ubuntuone client that is in lucid for karmic?
[20:27] <rye> CardinalFang, hm, after some update desktopcouch is no longer eating my CPU
[20:28] <CardinalFang> rye, reliably?  It doesn't about half of the times I start it.
[20:29] <rye> mxpxpod, I believe the PPAs for karmic were suspended until the issue with missing applet/me-menu is resolved
[20:30] <mxpxpod> rye: oh, ok
[20:30] <mxpxpod> thanks
[20:49] <dobey> rye: what issue?
[21:00] <rye> dobey, the applet already does not exist in karmic ppa but me-menu is not available there
[21:00] <dobey> rye: the me menu is irrelevant
[21:00] <rye> dobey, hm, but I wonder whether we need me-menu for karmic
[21:00] <dobey> we don't, no
[21:00] <rye> dobey, if it autostarts
[21:00] <dobey> rye: either way it doesn't matter
[21:00] <dobey> rye: System->Preferences->Ubuntu One
[21:01] <rye> ok, i found yet another bug with  my laptop & lucid (& probably nouveau)
[21:01] <rye> if I disconnect AC then reconnect it, X hangs
[21:01] <rye> awesome
[21:42] <Bookman> I just uploaded again, and ubuntu one tried to start but crash.  Reported already.
[21:43] <Bookman> *updated
[22:26] <Technoviking> Chipaca: no change after update, still have to start U1 maunually for file sync
[23:14] <dobey> Technoviking: if you're using packages, 1.1.91 fixes that
[23:22] <Technoviking> still have 1.1.90, will wait for update
[23:34] <rickspencer3> aquarius, how do I list all the databases in my desktop couch (in python)
[23:39] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, ^ ?
[23:55] <aquarius> rickspencer3, list them all programmatically?
[23:57] <aquarius> rickspencer3, python -c "from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase; db=CouchDatabase('management'); print [x for x in db._server]"