[06:42] <jon_> Ah, no, but am installing it now.
[06:42] <greenwom> is NDISWRAPPER on the install CD????
[06:42] <greenwom> I forget
[06:42] <jon_> greenwom, If you want a _real_ wifi card, get a proxim 8470-wd
[06:45] <jon_> crimsun, Thank you, that did it.
[06:45] <arrick> !wireless
[06:45] <ubotu> wireless is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[06:45] <knownbad> !samba
[06:45] <ubotu> samba is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:46] <arrick> greenwom, this link under !wireless will guide you through getting ndiswrapper
[06:46] <SoapOSX> 'lo
[06:47] <greenwom> I know how to use it but I'm going to wipe my box, if ndiswrapper is on the install cd then I don't need to go to my neigbors and use the router to plug in :)
[06:47] <arrick> greenwom, the Belkin F5D7010 is supported by default, automatically on too
[06:47] <arrick> wirelessG
[06:47] <arrick> oh ok
[06:47] <SoapOSX> could someone help me with an issue? ubuntu 5.10 amd64 is locking up on me
[06:47] <greenwom> Ya I have three boxes running wireless, I share a connection with my tenant
[06:47] <arrick> !64
[06:47] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, arrick
[06:48] <arrick> !amd64
[06:48] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, arrick
[06:48] <arrick> ok, night all
[06:49] <SoapOSX> there are zero error messages when it's booting up, however...when i get to the login window and type my name and pass, it plays the welcome noise but just locks up to a brown screen (but the cursor is moveable)...if i try to change the session, it locks up when i select a different session.....any clues?
[06:50] <liujie> fjkl
[06:51] <SoapOSX> also i was told that it could be because i have an SATA hdd
[06:55] <crimsun> poningru: well, there's nothing wrong per se with their using it. On the other hand, I wouldn't readily recommend it, although people certainly are free to break their own systems in their own interesting ways...
[06:55] <poningru> well yes but we shouldnt be recomending it
[06:55] <poningru> and I thought ubuntu forums was part of ubuntu
[06:56] <poningru> since the whole paying money/bandwidth thing
[06:56] <crimsun> frankly people are free to recommend it, but I personally recommend an alternative
[06:56] <young> need help installing an rpm on ubuntu...anyone got time to help me?
[06:56] <Kyral> !alien
[06:56] <ubotu> from memory, alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Its use is discouraged, as it could create serious problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[06:57] <young> really, hmmm...how about limewire?
[06:57] <poningru> young: sorry?
[06:57] <Kyral> !limewire
[06:57] <ubotu> first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila. Consider !frostwire as an alternative.
[06:57] <poningru> !java
[06:57] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[06:57] <poningru> etc.
[06:57] <young> awesome. will do and thanks! the support on this is incredible...=)
[06:57] <poningru> oh I guess it says it already
[06:57] <poningru> but try frostwire
[06:58] <Kyral> !botsnack
[06:58] <ubotu> thanks kyral :)
[07:00] <CreatureOfLegend> Hello again.  I think I configured everything ok, but I'm still having trouble connecting to the net.  I'm trying wvdial and I'm getting a message that says there is no dialtone. But that is very much not true.  The phone that is connected to the same modem has a dialtone.  And I'm using the same line to be connected right now (via Windows laptop).
[07:00] <punkmonkey> Is there a way to have ubuntu redetect the boot devices for menu.lst?
[07:01] <punkmonkey> I've installed a new drive, and the sequencing of the devices seems to have changed. And I don't know how to address my serial ata drive.
[07:01] <Kyral> punkmonkey: sudo update-grub
[07:01] <dle> Any opinions/experiences with dapper and ati cards?  The 9200 in particular?
[07:02] <punkmonkey> Hmm, that only updated the Linux kernels -- it's the Windows one I'm trying to get it to boot to.
[07:02] <tritium> dle: please ask in #ubuntu+1
[07:02] <punkmonkey> Kyral, any way of telling it to rescan for Windows stuff?
[07:02] <Kyral> why would you want to? j/k :P
[07:03] <dle> tritium: okay, thanks.
[07:04] <punkmonkey> Kyral, balance of stability and pain, mostly.
[07:04] <punkmonkey> My serial ata drive used to be (hd1,0) -- that seems to have changed with a new IDE drive being added. Not sure why.
[07:04] <CreatureOfLegend> what should I do if I get an error w/ wvdial that says there is no dialtone when there indeed is a dialtone?  Where might the problem lie?
[07:05] <punkmonkey> CreatureOfLegend, you probably have it hooked up to the wrong serial device or the modem isn't configured.
[07:05] <liable> punkmonkey: your sata drive was hd1?
[07:06] <punkmonkey> liable, that's how it's configured in grub, and it used to work.
[07:06] <CreatureOfLegend> punkmonkey: I went through the steps to configure, it though.  And the wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf says it can detect it.
[07:06] <CreatureOfLegend> What do you mean to the wrong serial device?  Like hardware-wise in the mother board?
[07:06] <punkmonkey> CreatureOfLegend, Could you have more than one modem/modem-like device installed?
[07:07] <CreatureOfLegend> punkmonkey: Nope only one
[07:07] <punkmonkey> CreatureOfLegend, hm, not sure, it's been a while since I used wvdialconf
[07:07] <CreatureOfLegend> Ok. Thank you anyway :)
[07:07] <punkmonkey> anyone... list of hdX,Y devices?
[07:08] <imc1> hey I'm installing vmware and it wants to know if I want to use host-only networking in my VMs. What';s that?
[07:09] <liable> punkmonkey: /boot/grub/device.map
[07:11] <AngryElf> hey all, anyone know of a program that rotates background images?
[07:11] <punkmonkey> liable, it looks like it's ok then.
[07:11] <BlueHeron> imc1: no you don't
[07:11] <punkmonkey> liable, sda is hd1, and hd1 is what I'm configured to boot from.
[07:11] <BlueHeron> imc1: it means the VM can only access the host computer, not the net
[07:12] <liable> punkmonkey: and it wont boot?
[07:12] <punkmonkey> it will not.
[07:12] <jon_> crimsun, If you're still there, when I start urxvt with 32 bit depth, xcompmgr doesn't draw shadows for it. Is there a way I can have it do that . .
[07:12] <liable> punkmonkey: is the sata drive on a card controller and the ata onboard?
[07:12] <punkmonkey> I think it whined about the filesystem... I can try and check again.
[07:12] <punkmonkey> Maybe it is getting to the Windows MBR and that's gone?
[07:13] <punkmonkey> The serial ata and the ide/ata are both onboard.
[07:13] <Eleaf> hi
[07:14] <CreatureOfLegend> Hi, Eleaf
[07:14] <punkmonkey> liable, I'm going to try a quick reboot and try stuff. Thanks for your help. Might brb.
[07:14] <Eleaf> hmm hi
[07:14] <Eleaf> lol
[07:14] <liable> punkmonkey: gl
[07:14] <CreatureOfLegend> Eleaf: You said hi, I said hi back. :p
[07:15] <CreatureOfLegend> does anyone else know why wvdial gives me a nodialtone message when there is a dialtone?
[07:15] <Eleaf> yes CreatureOfLegend hi.
[07:16] <dygta> hello
[07:16] <CreatureOfLegend> Eleaf: Hello ^_^ (this is fun!)
[07:17] <Eleaf> lol
[07:17] <Eleaf> ;>
[07:17] <CreatureOfLegend> Bienvenidos! (sp?)
[07:17] <xsquared> hi, i am just thinking about upgrading to dapper
[07:17] <budluva> anyone know how to slow down ET???????
[07:17] <xsquared> by upgrading to dapper, what should i expect?
[07:17] <wastrel> ubuntu
[07:18] <crimsun> jon_: I don't know offhand (haven't used urxvt in a long time)
[07:18] <wastrel> rxvt eh
[07:18] <mecca> hi
[07:18] <_jason> budluva: take away his skittles?  what do you mean by ET?
[07:18] <budluva> enemy territory
[07:19] <budluva> seems waaayyyyy too fast
[07:19] <budluva> dunno how to show fps
[07:19] <budluva> but i have details on high, everything as high as it will go and seems like the game is on speed
[07:19] <xsquared> budluva, dude
[07:19] <xsquared> you have to disable powernowd
[07:19] <liable> thats good isnt it?
[07:20] <xsquared> budluva, sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd stop
[07:20] <budluva> what is powernowd?
[07:20] <xsquared> then restart ET
[07:20] <budluva> !powernowd
[07:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, budluva
[07:20] <frank23> xsquared: how does powernowd affect ET?
[07:20] <xsquared> it just does
[07:20] <xsquared> and counterstrike
[07:21] <liable> the .. um .. daemon, to give .. err .. p0w4h .. n0w?
[07:21] <wastrel> !info powernowd
[07:21] <ubotu> powernowd: (control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.96-2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 108 kB
[07:21] <xsquared> liable, do you run dapper?
[07:21] <budluva> haha first time i've ever had to slow down newer games :P
[07:21] <liable> xsquared: unfortunately, no.
[07:22] <xsquared> what do you run?
[07:22] <liable> xsquared: sid :)
[07:22] <frank23> budluva: disabling powernowd will make your cpu run at full speed all the time, not slow it dows
[07:22] <xsquared> is there alot of dependancy problems in debian sid?
[07:22] <budluva> is dapper stable now? last time i checked it wasn't for everyday desktop use
[07:22] <frank23> budluva: dapper will be released on June 1st
[07:22] <budluva> whoa
[07:23] <xsquared> too far away
[07:23] <budluva> i've been in the bush too long
[07:23] <liable> xsquared: atm its not to bad. but i dont really have a lot of shit installed.
[07:23] <budluva> any gui changes to dapper?
[07:23] <xsquared> im just pissed off about some things in ubuntu
[07:23] <budluva> frank23, bcm43xx work in dapper out of the box?
[07:23] <tritium> xsquared: take it easy
[07:23] <xsquared> i.e. the kernel is compiled with a different version of gcc than what is provided in the repos
[07:23] <budluva> only thing i cant get working on my new lappy is broadcom wireless
[07:24] <frank23> budluva: I have no Idea.
[07:24] <liable> xsquared: it is unstable after all..
[07:24] <xsquared> ubuntu breezy?
[07:24] <frank23> xsquared: that's because it was (still is?) impossible to compile the kernel with gcc-4
[07:25] <liable> xsquared: no, dapper
[07:25] <void^> hm, i've compiled my linux kernels with gcc4 for some time now
[07:25] <xsquared> i see frank23
[07:25] <arrick> hey, If I have a printer installed on a networked windows xp machine, that is not supported by ubuntu, and am working on a networked ubuntu machine, is there a way for me to print over the network?
[07:25] <xsquared> its just a pain sometimes
[07:25] <frank23> void^: was it possible when breezy was released?
[07:25] <bimberi> !xpprint
[07:25] <ubotu> Printing from ubuntu to an XP connected printer - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPPrinter.  Printing from XP to an ubuntu connected printer - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[07:26] <xsquared> also, where can i get a backport for lighttpd?
[07:26] <xsquared> i can't find that package for breexy anywhere
[07:26] <void^> frank23: no idea. was it released last.. autumn?
[07:27] <joseph> hello
[07:27] <tritium> !info lighttpd
[07:27] <hondadarrell> Is there a way to fix Synaptic or Update-manager? Update-manager froze during an update. Now all synaptic says is "Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root: Wrong password.". I tried using the terminal with sudo apt-get update, but I get "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.". Is there a way I can get to a shell and update or is there a way around the error I get
[07:27] <hondadarrell>  in the terminal? Thanks
[07:27] <frank23> void^: october 2005 I think. but the choice of kernel compiler would have been made before that
[07:27] <tritium> !info lighttpd dapper
[07:27] <ubotu> lighttpd: (A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1.4.11-1ubuntu1 (dapper), Packaged size: 272 kB, Installed size: 816 kB
[07:27] <joseph> I need help.  I accidently formatted the wrong hard drive with all my files on it.  Is there any way that I can recover it?
[07:27] <xsquared> trying to install the dapper package results with errors
[07:27] <xsquared> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:27] <xsquared>   lighttpd: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8a-1) but it is not installable
[07:27] <xsquared>             Depends: lsb-base (>= 3.0-3) but 3.0-1ubuntu8 is to be installed
[07:28] <arrick> bimberi, this thing is asking for a driver, and the printer is not supported, any way around this?
[07:28] <tritium> xsquared: don't paste it here please
[07:28] <void^> frank23: but why did they make gcc4 the default compiler?
[07:28] <xsquared> dude, its 3 lines
[07:28] <xsquared> i wouldn't paste any more than 3 lines
[07:28] <tritium> xsquared: dude, please don't
[07:28] <bimberi> arrick: possibly not, try a model number that looks close
[07:28] <xsquared> heh
[07:29] <frank23> void^: not sure why exactly... they could compile everything else with it. I know ubuntu cleared alot of the way for the gcc4 transition for debian
[07:29] <arrick> there are none, not even the z600le that is supposed to be the same
[07:29] <arrick> bimberi, how do I crossover a windows driver for the printer?
[07:30] <joseph> Can anyone hear me?
[07:30] <tritium> joseph: no, but I can see your words
[07:30] <dj-fu> I can read what you are typing
[07:30] <dj-fu> :)
[07:30] <joseph> I need help.  I accidently formatted the wrong hard drive with all my files on it.  Is there any way that I can recover it?
[07:30] <arrick> file recovery.com
[07:30] <frank23> joseph: the only way I know how is with recovery programs. GetDataBack for windows is the only one I know
[07:30] <void^> frank23: i see.. sometimes it's good to force new things :)
[07:30] <bimberi> arrick: idk and i doubt it's possible
[07:30] <joseph> frank23: do they work with ext3?
[07:31] <hondadarrell> what can I do about the error, "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[07:31] <odat> anyone know why a 512 memory chip is coming up as 516?
[07:31] <frank23> joseph: no. what was the filesystem you accidentally formated? ext3?
[07:31] <joseph> yes ext3
[07:31] <arrick> bimberi, yeah me too, maybe I'll download the lexmark developers tool and take a stab then, thanks
[07:31] <hondadarrell> *I'm running sudo apt-get update.
[07:31] <tty5> need help on floppy mounting
[07:31] <bimberi> arrick: kk :)
[07:31] <frank23> joseph: oh. maybe there are linux recovery tools for that
[07:32] <bimberi> tty5: what's the problem?
[07:32] <joseph> frank23: maybe?
[07:32] <ca38aspear> joseph do not write any new data on the hard drive with the new recovery program
[07:32] <frank23> joseph: I don't know. I never tried to recover files like that
[07:32] <tty5> root@matrix:/media# pmount /media/floppy
[07:32] <tty5> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[07:32] <wastrel> odat:  it's normal.
[07:33] <tty5> whats the win fstype? ntfs/fat right
[07:33] <philc> someone asked me this weird question -- is a 256-bit video card more likely to be CISC or RISC, and why?
[07:33] <bbrown> what is the simplest way to enable my writer to work, it says I need scsi loaded in the kernel
[07:33] <bbrown> this is with breezy
[07:33] <bimberi> tty5: try 'pmount -t msdos /media/floppy'
[07:33] <tty5> ya
[07:33] <odat> wastrel, ok i think i just maxed out this old compaq deskpro en   i wanted to put the 512 and 256 but it says its too much memory and i thought that may have something to do with it
[07:34] <tty5> bimberi,same output
[07:34] <bimberi> tty5: hm, try another disk?
[07:35] <arrick> 1>
[07:35] <tty5> u mean another floppy? i need to save some data from this floppy :(
[07:35] <arrick> !printers
[07:35] <ubotu> methinks printers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[07:35] <imc1> No sound in a new breezy install - little help please? Xorg running and I get system beeps but not sound
[07:36] <imc1> Sound worked under DAPPER of all things, but not under this breezy install
[07:36] <frank23> arrick what lexmark printer do you have?  I don't think you can use windows drivers in any way
[07:36] <bimberi> tty5: just trying to see what the issue is.  Have you tried mounting it via nautilus? - Places -> Computer, right-click on Floppy, Mount Volume
[07:37] <tty5> im not using xwin
[07:37] <tty5> nvm
[07:37] <bimberi> tty5: ah :|
[07:37] <tty5> mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/floppy is the solution
[07:37] <tty5> thanks bimberi
[07:37] <wastrel> imc1:  you've unmuted your channels in alsamixer? (have to ask)
[07:37] <tty5> ;)
[07:38] <imc1> Yes! ;)
[07:38] <bimberi> tty5: ha, you've tought me :)
[07:38] <imc1> IT's a Realtec ALC 883 chipset
[07:38] <kuja> Spring cleaning, eh
[07:39] <tty5> bimberi,i think by dfault breezy configures the floppy diskette drive /dev/fd0
[07:39] <wastrel> imc1:  your card is listed in lspci?  you have a /dev/dsp?  you're in the audio group?  your sound modules are loaded?  all that happy jazz...
[07:39] <imc1> wastrel, thanks, neede that nudge...one sec
[07:40] <imc1> lspci no!
[07:40] <imc1> So I guess it's not gettin loaded . . .
[07:41] <budluva> anyone here using ati 8.16.20 drivers and stuck in 1024x768???
[07:41] <bimberi> tty5: yes, looks like it
[07:42] <imc1> wastrel, no lspci, yes user in audio group, yes /dev/dsp soundcore is loaded
[07:42] <dj-fu> Anyone know of a program like FRAPS for linux? to capture video of my desk?
[07:42] <budluva> seems these drivers wont let me go past 1024x768 even after manually editing xorg.conf, i could go higher when using "ati" drivers in xorg.conf but stuck in 1024x768 after switching to "fglrx" driver
[07:44] <imc> wastrel?
[07:44] <wastrel> yup, just a mo
[07:44] <imc> :)
[07:45] <wastrel> imc so if your card isn't being recognized, is the correct driver being loaded?
[07:46] <imc> I don't think so wastrel.
[07:46] <imc>  lsmod | grep sound shows soundcore as being loaded
[07:47] <imc> I know the sound card on the machine works because it worked under dapper
[07:47] <crimsun> imc: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[07:48] <IamEthos> anyone know of an OS X style dock for Linux?
[07:48] <imc> Hi, crimsun. Wow, cool: 0: Realtek ID 883
[07:48] <crimsun> imc: that doesn't work under breezy.
[07:48] <imc> Ah.
[07:48] <imc> IamEthos gxdocker or something like thatr
[07:48] <crimsun> imc: follow the directions being sent to you.
[07:49] <imc> THANK YOU crimsum!
[07:49] <ca38aspear> xfce is the closes thing i have seen to osx 'apt-get install xfce4'
[07:49] <wastrel> heh google loses i guess :]   gl imc
[07:49] <crimsun> imc: if you encounter an error, please run ``sudo apt-get -f install''.  When I try doubleclicking on the icon, it refuses and gives me "mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist"
[07:52] <IamEthos> (I want to have one workspace with icons
[07:52] <IamEthos> one with stickys
[07:52] <IamEthos> and the other two for applications
[07:52] <weasel__> the first CD drive works just fine, and this worked untill recently.
[07:52] <AngryElf> okay, this is totally killing me, I thought this was maybe related to the fact that my server was FC4 and my client was breezy, but it's not.........whenever I mount a NFS share, it takes 1-2 minutes....no error messages, it works fine in the end, file transfers are fine etc.......but the mount command takes forever.........what gives?
[07:52] <adminsdfads> ?
[07:52] <Psyk> what is the name of the package for developer man pages?
[07:53] <ca38aspear> weasel_ are you a super user when you do this
[07:53] <weasel__> this is just through the GUI, for trying to access things on a CD
[07:53] <wastrel> Psyk:  manpages-dev
[07:54] <Psyk> thank you
[07:54] <wastrel> IamEthos:  i don't think that's possible with gnome.  could be wrong tho
[07:55] <imc1> IamEthos http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php
[07:55] <imc1> It's a K app but works under gnome, cool, like the mac docker, mouse over and it gets big.
[07:56] <IamEthos> imcl: I saw this one earlier
[07:56] <IamEthos> but I couldn't remember what I googled for
[07:56] <IamEthos> and couldn't find it again
[07:56] <imc1> It works - I run it
[07:56] <imc1> Watch the movie
[07:57] <IamEthos> imcl: is it in a repos? how do I install it on Ubuntu?
[07:58] <wastrel> IamEthos:  apt-cache search docker
[07:59] <imc> crimsun, it seemed to install without errors; last I was it was "loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc."
[07:59] <imc> Uh, but now how can I access the menu? ALT+F@ and ALSA only shows me the deb pkg
[08:00] <weasel__> when I check /etc/fstab, everything looks the same for the 2 drives. But one doesnt work, when you actually insert a CD, for some reason
[08:00] <crimsun> imc: ok, good. cat /proc/asound/version
[08:00] <VonGuard> hey
[08:00] <VonGuard> anyone used gnome-art?
[08:00] <VonGuard> is it downloading everything? geez, seems like overkill
[08:00] <imc> IamEthos, you need to download and build it - piece of cake
[08:00] <imc> crimsun - w00t: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10.
[08:00] <imc> Compiled on Mar 28 2006 for kernel 2.6.12-10-386.
[08:02] <imc> IamEthos, on the downloads page are all the linkis to the packages
[08:02] <imc> You;ll need the base KDE libs I think as well
[08:02] <wastrel> anyone got a good mp3 player that works well with lunix (not ipod) ?
[08:02] <VonGuard> rios
[08:03] <VonGuard> not very large though
[08:03] <void^> any mp3 player that works as usb storage
[08:03] <johanbr> wastrel: I'm pretty happy with my Creative Muvo^2.
[08:03] <imc> crimsun, should I go get gnome-alsamixer?
[08:03] <weasel__> doesn't amaroK give ipod support ?
[08:03] <crimsun> imc: pastebin the output from ``amixer -c0''
[08:03] <imc> okay
[08:04] <kevman> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a Athlon 850.  and "go back" and "contunie"
[08:04] <pulgoki> are any of the alternatives to windows emmulators any better than wine?
[08:04] <kevman> Anyone know what THAT could be?
[08:05] <imc> crimsun, thanks, I'm grateful: http://pastebin.com/626433
[08:05] <kevman> pulgoki, cedega, maybe.
[08:05] <kevman> But its payware.
[08:05] <pulgoki> yea
[08:05] <pulgoki> ive been reading into that
[08:05] <pulgoki> i'd be glad to pay if it works well
[08:05] <weasel__> cedega works pretty well, though I havent run a lot of stuff off it
[08:05] <pulgoki> weasel__: you know much about the demo?
[08:06] <pulgoki> is it limited other than time?
[08:06] <weasel__> As far as I know, its just that you cant get updates past its expiry
[08:06] <weasel__> Im not sure though. I just paid for the regular one. Its kinda cheap
[08:06] <crimsun> imc: does ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav'' produce audible sound?
[08:06] <pulgoki> hrm
[08:06] <pulgoki> that sounds strange
[08:07] <kevman> Hmm.... Maybe the partition table was just corrupted.
[08:07] <pulgoki> weasel__:  how many apps have you tried in it?? just a few?? sorry for so many questions
[08:07] <imc> crimsun: yes it does!!!!
[08:08] <imc> Cheers. Shouts of joy.
[08:08] <crimsun> imc: excellent.
[08:09] <imc> Yes indded! Thanks!!! So now how can I get that mixer happening?
[08:09] <weasel__> pulgoki: the only things I have tried with it are Halflife, hearts of iron, soldier of fortune (didnt work) and delta force land warrior (didnt work). Not much else, sorry
[08:09] <crimsun> imc: you just need to adjust PCM using the Volume Control
[08:09] <kevman> Can somone tell me what this "LVM" selection is on the partitioner?
[08:09] <kRaKoN> Hi where is  Synaptic ?
[08:09] <imc> Right, except there is no visible volume control anywhere
[08:10] <crimsun> imc: not in the system tray area?
[08:10] <crimsun> (upper right corner)
[08:10] <kevman> Or ignore me.
[08:10] <kRaKoN> I wanto to install wine according to http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb but i cannot find the option "repositories"
[08:10] <imc> It was there but disappeared when ALSA installed. But wit, I can try adding it to the panel
[08:11] <crimsun> kevman: take a look on the wiki
[08:11] <imc> YES!
[08:11] <imc> Thanks VERY much crimsun. This is the second time you've walked me through something and I am most grateful.
[08:11] <crimsun> right, part of the upgrade process killed all apps accessing the old drivers prior to unloading them.
[08:11] <kRaKoN> oh i got ir
[08:11] <kRaKoN> thank you
[08:11] <kevman> I figured it out, crimsun. Its a matter of principle :P
[08:12] <imc> have a great night, crimsun!
[08:12] <kevman> #Gentoo is BAD for ignoring me :( Though sometimes they'll help you out.
[08:12] <crimsun> kevman: people don't intentionally ignore you. Some of us just can't answer every question as it's asked.
[08:12] <crimsun> imc: you, too
[08:12] <kevman> Ack, cold spot on this food.
[08:12] <BunnyBoy> Hello everyone! I need support!
[08:13] <weasel__> kevman: Nuke till done :)
[08:13] <anstei> !tell BunnyBoy about anyone
[08:13] <tritium> BunnyBoy: go ahead and state the problem
[08:13] <kevman> New to IRC, hm?
[08:14] <weasel__> this is the first time I've been on IRC so.. yeah.. kinda...
[08:14] <BunnyBoy> yes I'm very new
[08:14] <Klowner> irc, where the men are boys and the women are men
[08:14] <weasel__> and the mice have guns ?
[08:14] <Klowner> yes
[08:15] <Klowner> I thought you said you were new to irc
[08:15] <Klowner> :)
[08:15] <anstei> and the boys are fbi agents :P
[08:15] <weasel__> I saw one of them on hte way in..
[08:15] <anstei> anyways, back to topic.
[08:16] <IamEthos> I'm using kxdocker
[08:17] <spencerk> is there a safe way to reformat windows without loosing grub?
[08:18] <anstei> spencerk: you can recover grub after reinstalling windows
[08:18] <anstei> !tell spencerk about grub
[08:18] <spencerk> boot disk?
[08:18] <weasel__> did anyone have an idea on my "mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist
[08:18] <weasel__> " problem ?
[08:18] <anstei> the second link should do it
[08:19] <spencerk> anstei, do i apt-get a boot-disk app or something
[08:20] <spencerk> ahh thanks
[08:20] <anstei> spencerk: as long as you haven't installed grub on the partition you want to format you should be safe to install windows
[08:20] <Blue-Steel> how come when  i type my root passwd when asked by adept gui  it fails  to accept it but it works if  i do it in the console
[08:21] <spencerk> anstei, that !tell script is so cool
[08:21] <spencerk> thank you
[08:21] <anstei>
[08:22] <IamEthos> i'm using kxdocker and everytime I mouse over it, a black bar appears at the bottom of the screen
[08:22] <nem> what program can i used for put my screen on TV
[08:22] <anstei> weasel__: you can't mount a hard disk itself. you have to mount a partition of a drive
[08:22] <nem> i have nvidia
[08:23] <weasel__> Hm, this comes up when I try to access my second CD rom drive.
[08:25] <anstei> weasel__: maybe it has another name. on my computers they are always something like /dev/cdrom. you could do an "ls /dev | grep cd" to find out whether there is something named like that
[08:26] <weasel__> anstei: that gave me cdrom, ptycd and ttycd
[08:26] <anstei> weasel__: so try to mount /dev/cdrom
[08:28] <NytWolf> Wow... theres a few Ubuntu users here.
[08:28] <weasel__> anstei: it displayed No medium found, if there's no CD in there. With a CD, it gives /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy
[08:28] <NytWolf> Just a few.
[08:29] <weasel__> thats for the cdrom thats working, though.
[08:29] <NytWolf> Could someone offer advice on recommended partitions to use with Ubuntu (rather than just have a swap and an everything-else partition?)
[08:30] <chalcedony> ~$ makedir myname
[08:30] <chalcedony> bash: makedir: command not found
[08:30] <chalcedony> ~$
[08:30] <chalcedony> what do i do ?
[08:31] <NytWolf> mkdir
[08:31] <chalcedony> ahh
[08:31] <chalcedony> no a
[08:31] <chalcedony> tired..
[08:31] <NytWolf> =3
[08:31] <chalcedony> ~$ mkedir court
[08:31] <chalcedony> bash: mkedir: command not found
[08:31] <chalcedony> ~$
[08:31] <NytWolf> No e either =P
[08:31] <chalcedony> ~$ mkdir court
[08:31] <chalcedony> mkdir: cannot create directory `court': File exists
[08:31] <chalcedony> ~$
[08:32] <NytWolf> Thats obvious
[08:32] <chalcedony> grin
[08:32] <chalcedony> ok..
[08:32] <wastrel> yay
[08:33] <NytWolf> And, if anyone is listening about my parition question... I have a recommended strategy for it, but I'm afraid I don't know the sizes I should give each parition, aside from the /boot and swap partitions
[08:33] <Karmander> hello everybody
[08:33] <wastrel> NytWolf:  how much free space on your drive?
[08:33] <volcom_b0i> can anyone point me to the file that winecfg edits?  I want to edit the file manually
[08:33] <Karmander> i love my ubuntu :)
[08:33] <Fujitsu> volcom_b0i, it's the registry files. Recommended to use winecfg!
[08:33] <chalcedony> Karmander: don't we all?
[08:33] <Karmander> can you help me to make my gnome more functional?
[08:33] <NytWolf> Wastrel: I've got two drives, a 10 gig, and a 160 gig... this is the strategy I was going to use: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Multi-Disk-HOWTO-31.html
[08:34] <Karmander> chalcedony you're right
[08:34] <NytWolf> The first of two on the page
[08:34] <volcom_b0i> winecfg crashes when I trye to edit the audio tab
[08:34] <Karmander> i need help to make my ubuntu run faster (like a ferrari)
[08:34] <volcom_b0i> I just want to edit the sound hardware acceleration to emulation.
[08:35] <wastrel> NytWolf:  seems complicated.  i'd put / on the 10gig and /home on the 160, give yourself some swap if you need/want it from the 10gig.
[08:35] <Karmander> can you help me?
[08:35] <andrina> can somone tell me what this means please
[08:36] <volcom_b0i> oh... I see, not like the old wine configs at all....
[08:36] <Fujitsu> No, changed in mid-2005, volcom_b0i.
[08:36] <NytWolf> Wastrel: My question is, using the configuration listed on that page, what sizes should I make each partition
[08:36] <andrina> hp5400_scanner.c: In function hp5400_bulk_read:
[08:36] <andrina> hp5400_scanner.c:245: warning: initializer element is not computable at load time
[08:36] <andrina> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lusb
[08:36] <andrina> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[08:36] <andrina> make: *** [hp5400]  Error 1
[08:36] <volcom_b0i> bummer, my fault for running dapper :)  I can wait I suppose for it to be fixed.
[08:36] <Karmander> ok thank you
[08:36] <Fujitsu> Install libusb-dev, andrina.
[08:37] <wastrel> NytWolf:  you're actually going to split your drives into 11 different partitions?
[08:37] <wastrel> NytWolf:  is this a server setup?
[08:37] <NytWolf> Wastrel: Yep
[08:37] <andrina> thanks
[08:38] <volcom_b0i> Does this look familiar to anyone? Fix? open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[08:38] <NytWolf> Wastrel: I'm not working with much of a system and I've read several sources that say this is a good idea. I figured since I don't have much of a machine, I could at least make the drives as efficient as possible
[08:39] <joevandyk> Who do I talk to to get support in Dapper for the ipw3495 wireless NIC?
[08:39] <thoreauputic_> volcom_b0i: sudo modprobe snd_seq  if I remember correctly will fix that
[08:39] <NytWolf> Then again, a crappy system for Windows XP is an awesome system for linux :x
[08:39] <joevandyk> (I'm willing to help package / test it)
[08:39] <volcom_b0i> ok, so if that works, should I add it to my modprobe on boot?
[08:39] <thoreauputic_> volcom_b0i: add it to /etc/modules
[08:40] <weasel__> if the first cdrom is hdc, what should the second one generally be ?
[08:40] <kevman> Damn thing crashed.
[08:40] <weasel__> is there any general logic to how that works or ?
[08:40] <NytWolf> Wastrel: I'm not desperate at the moment, so I could wait until its not 12:40 at night and ask when more people are available
[08:40] <NytWolf> If you can't help me, that is.
[08:40] <thoreauputic_> volcom_b0i: if you are trying to use midi, there's a howto on the wiki
[08:40] <thoreauputic_> !midi
[08:40] <ubotu> from memory, midi is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736 or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[08:41] <volcom_b0i> no, I am trying to edit my audio properties in winecfg and it throws that at me when I click the tab.
[08:41] <wastrel> NytWolf:  you don't need swap on both drives, and you don't need a news partition.  ubuntu doesn't use a separate boot partition normally either.
[08:41] <thoreauputic_> volcom_b0i: ah, can't help with wine I'm afraid - maybe someone familiar with it can...
[08:41] <wastrel> NytWolf:  swap is typically 2x RAM nowadays, up to a total of 1gb swap.
[08:42] <Fujitsu> weasel__, hda is the Primary Master, hdb is Primary Slave, hdc is Secondary Master, and hdd is Secondary Slave.
[08:42] <volcom_b0i> yeah, not a big deal, just trying to get it working because it won't :)
[08:42] <NytWolf> Wastrel: Yah, I wasn't sure what the heck the news partition was o.o
[08:42] <wastrel> NytWolf:  for /root you need a minimum of about 4 gb, 8-10 to be more comfortable
[08:43] <wastrel> er  for /   not /root
[08:43] <weasel__> Fujitsu, Thanks. so for a second cdrom, hdd would be correct ?
[08:43] <Fujitsu> If it is the slave on the secondary IDE channel, yes.
[08:44] <weasel__> It is. Allright, so far so good
[08:44] <andrina> Hi, Im conpiling something and getting errors. problewm is there off screen in gterm so i can read them they go past as far upwards as i can scroll how would i fix this...ive seen a buffer option before but i cant find it nbow
[08:44] <andrina> cant read them*
[08:44] <wastrel> though splitting out /usr /var and /lib will shrink /  .. i dunno honestly it seems baroque and unnecessary - for a desktop system.  :]
[08:44] <wastrel> i'm going to bed :]
[08:45] <weasel__> Everytime I try to mount anything, or just insert a cd in that drive, absolutely nothing happens.
[08:45] <NytWolf> G'night, thanks =3
[08:45] <sfaris> gaaaaasp
[08:45] <sfaris> :(
[08:45] <sfaris> mornin
[08:46] <shanky> good morning, is ther a specific channel for ubuntu-server ?
[08:46] <andrina> Hi, Im conpiling something and getting errors. problewm is there off screen in gterm so i can read them they go past as far upwards as i can scroll how would i fix this...ive seen a buffer option before but i cant find it nbow
[08:46] <MoeTief> moin
[08:46] <AngryElf> hmmmm, so under Services > Admin > Networking, I changed the Hostname of the computer, and it wanred me I wouldn't be able to open apps till after logging back in......but i've done that, and now i can't get root access.....why why why? :(
[08:46] <andrina> xterm is the same everythings off screen
[08:46] <MoeTief> some people fron germany here
[08:47] <thoreauputic_> !de
[08:47] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> What's the kde trash location?
[08:48] <n4cht> andrina,  gterm->edit->current profile->scrolling tab.   set the scrollback higher.  also, make sure you've got the build-essential package installed.  (apt-get install build-essential)
[08:49] <volcom_b0i> sweet got it to work.  I had to MALLOC_CHECK_=0 to get it work work... Bug somewhere ...
[08:52] <joevandyk> Hi, Who do I talk to get to ipw3945 wireless support in Dapper?
[08:52] <andrina> thanks
[08:53] <crimsun> joevandyk: it's a WIP
[08:53] <ricardo_> how can i get a faster gnome startup?
[08:53] <ricardo_> help me to disable unusefull applications
[08:55] <sethk> ricardo_, look around in $HOME/.gnome2, but it is not easy to do
[08:56] <ricardo_> sethk which parameters should i change
[08:56] <ricardo_> sethk i'm not an expert
[08:57] <ricardo_> i'll appreciate if you give some steps to follow
[09:00] <ricardo_> can you help me please
[09:00] <GNU_Style> i just installed ubuntu flight, cant boot to my xp now
[09:00] <andrina> hi what package is sanei included in? im having compile problems cant find that file
[09:01] <andrina> welll its sane.o or something
[09:01] <sethk> ricardo_, I'll see if I can find a starting point for you...
[09:01] <andrina> welll its sanei.o or something
[09:01] <andrina> !sanei
[09:01] <ubotu> andrina: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:01] <sethk> andrina, a .o file is a build product, created from some sort of source, typically a .c
[09:01] <sethk> andrina, so you can have a link problem because of a missing .o, but not a compile problem
[09:02] <andrina> i just found out sanei is internal routines whats that?
[09:02] <NytWolf> ricardo_: Have you attempted to search places like Google?
[09:03] <_wingede> sanei is related to scanners aint it??
[09:03] <andrina> anyone know a driver or know how to get the Hp Scanjet 4500c scanner woring in ubuntu?
[09:03] <andrina> yes
[09:03] <NytWolf> ricardo_: You'd be surprised how much information is already documented.
[09:05] <unamerican> hi
[09:05] <unamerican> anybudy around? or on?
[09:05] <unamerican> rather not idle?
[09:06] <MistaED> andrina: sane says unsupported :( http://www.sane-project.org/unsupported/hp-scanjet-4500c.html
[09:07] <kleinlappies> hi there
[09:07] <ricardo_> NytWolf thank you i'm looking for but there is a lot and it makes it confussing
[09:07] <kleinlappies> im at work now so let the fun begin
[09:07] <ricardo_> NytWolf also there is too much information for advanced users
[09:09] <ricardo_> i have a amd k6-500 and i'm installing the linux-image-k7 and modules, can it make it work better? is it ok?
[09:10] <MistaED> ricardo: something tells me a k7 kernel will be incompatible with a k6
[09:10] <nick|here> some lines appering at the middle of window suddenly? then disappears
[09:10] <MistaED> possibly a 686 kernel might be better
[09:12] <ricardo_> it will be incompatible?
[09:12] <ricardo_> it won't work
[09:12] <ricardo_> are you sure
[09:12] <void^> you're free to try
[09:12] <sfaris> i dont think its different kernels for K6 and K7 just for fun
[09:13] <sfaris> there must be some reason :)
[09:13] <sethk> sfaris, sometimes one kernel will perform better than another, but both will work
[09:13] <void^> learning by doing, experience is the best teacher, and so on.
[09:13] <sethk> sfaris, I'm not sure whether the k6/k7 is like that, but it could be
[09:13] <sfaris> might be worth a try
[09:13] <ricardo_> yes but i would like to keep my ubuntu working
[09:14] <thoreauputic_> afaik k6 is equivalent to i586 so I don't think a k7 kernel will work
[09:14] <thoreauputic_> I may be wrong however...
[09:14] <ricardo_> actually i have a 386 kernel
[09:14] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: it really won't make much difference
[09:14] <ricardo_> but i couldn't find a k6 kernel, why?
[09:15] <sethk> ricardo_, you can easily build one
[09:15] <ricardo_> how?
[09:15] <ricardo_> in case it doesn't work what should i do?
[09:16] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: your original kernel will still be there
[09:16] <MistaED> i'd just go with 686, a k6 i think was comparable to a pentium 2 and that's 686
[09:16] <sfaris> i use grub, so i can choose kernel at startup
[09:16] <ricardo_> sfaris i also have grub
[09:17] <ricardo_> so it will appear at the startup?
[09:17] <sfaris> does for me
[09:17] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: frankly changing from the i386 kernel is unlikely to make a big difference
[09:18] <void^> yes, it's just not worth it
[09:18] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ so it doesn't matter too much
[09:18] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: exactly
[09:18] <ricardo_> makes me feel better
[09:18] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: I wouldn't bother personally
[09:19] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ so where should i start to make my so more functional?
[09:19] <void^> use a leighter desktop environment, xfce oder fluxbox even.
[09:19] <void^> -e
[09:19] <ricardo_> void how can i get it
[09:20] <ricardo_> can it coexist with gnome?
[09:20] <ricardo_> can i have at the same time gnome and flux?
[09:20] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: for xfce , install xubuntu-desktop or xfce4
[09:20] <andrina> hi what package would these files be in
[09:20] <andrina> gcc: /usr/local/src/sane/sane-backends-1.0.13/backend/.libs/sane_strstatus.o: No  such file or directory
[09:20] <andrina> gcc: /usr/local/src/sane/sane-backends-1.0.13/backend/../sanei/.libs/sanei_init_ debug.o: No such file or directory
[09:20] <andrina> gcc: /usr/local/src/sane/sane-backends-1.0.13/backend/../sanei/.libs/sanei_confi g.o: No such file or directory
[09:20] <andrina> gcc: /usr/local/src/sane/sane-backends-1.0.13/backend/../sanei/.libs/sanei_usb.o : No such file or directory
[09:20] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: sure - you choose the session you want at login
[09:21] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ does xfce4 request too much resources?
[09:21] <mdke> can i run sshd and apache on the same port? are they clever enough to figure out which incoming requests are which?
[09:21] <void^> no.
[09:22] <aeolist> mdke no
[09:22] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: no, it is quite snappy - I had it running on a pentium 200 mmx with 64 MB RAm
[09:22] <ricardo_> woaw
[09:22] <ricardo_> amazing so how can i try it
[09:23] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: either install xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop
[09:23] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: I would recommend xubuntu-desktop
[09:23] <ricardo_> why?
[09:23] <ricardo_> isn't it a kde desktop?
[09:23] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: it comes with some nice light apps like abiword and rox filer
[09:23] <ricardo_> no sorry kubuntu
[09:24] <mdke> aeolist, every service has to be on a different port?
[09:24] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ how can i get xubuntu-desktop
[09:24] <aeolist> it's best mdke
[09:24] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: just   sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:24] <thoreauputic_> assuming you have universe enabled
[09:25] <thoreauputic_> !info xubuntu-desktop
[09:25] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: (Xubuntu desktop system), section universe/misc, is optional. Version: 1.4 (breezy), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[09:25] <ricardo_> how many hd space needs?
[09:25] <mdke> aeolist, do you mean it won't work if I run two services on the same port, or that it's a good idea not to?
[09:25] <ricardo_> woaw
[09:25] <ricardo_> 32kb!!!
[09:25] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: that's only the metapackage
[09:25] <void^> mdke: it's not possible.
[09:25] <mdke> void^, damn
[09:25] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: apt will tell you how much space it needs
[09:25] <aeolist> mdke, if you dont use different ports, how will the software be able to discern between the tcp/ip packages?
[09:26] <ricardo_> 113MB!
[09:26] <ricardo_> i don't have anought space
[09:26] <mdke> aeolist, I wondered if it was clever and could do it
[09:26] <aeolist> ricardo_, sit back and relax
[09:26] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: how much space do you have?
[09:26] <aeolist> mdke, nah... the whole purpose of ports is that they are to be used by single services
[09:26] <aeolist> i guess
[09:27] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ wait i'm looking
[09:27] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: if you have less than 100MB you won't be able to do much anyway...
[09:27] <void^> mdke: it doesn't work like that by design. no matter how clever you are, you cannot walk through the wall, you have to take the door.
[09:27] <mdke> void^, right, thanks
[09:27] <aeolist> void^, actually there is a slight chance to walk through the wall
[09:27] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: df -h will tell you
[09:27] <void^> aeolist: not in my lifetime
[09:27] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ 21 mb
[09:27] <sfaris> :)
[09:28] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: how big is your hard drive?
[09:28] <aeolist> thoreauputic_, i thought apt-get checked for free space before downloading & installing
[09:28] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ 2gb
[09:28] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ 228 mb for swapping
[09:28] <aeolist> ricardo_, do a server install
[09:28] <AngryElf> if i've got a share mounted, then the server goes down, when i try umounting the share i get "/directory: device is busy"......how do i umount it???
[09:28] <aeolist> and then do a sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:28] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: in that case you probably need to do a server install and add stuff with apt-get
[09:29] <thoreauputic_> aeolist: :)
[09:29] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ yes i did that
[09:29] <aeolist> thoreauputic_, i am faster.eat my dirt
[09:29] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: erm - and you installed ubuntu-desktop ?
[09:29] <ricardo_> i installed then the desktop
[09:29] <ricardo_> yes
[09:29] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: don't do that
[09:29] <ricardo_> why?
[09:29] <ricardo_> what's wrong?
[09:30] <void^> AngryElf: may want to mount nfs with soft,intr ;)
[09:30] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: do a server install then install xubuntu-desktop
[09:30] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: it will take much less room
[09:30] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ it's gona take a long time
[09:30] <ricardo_> how much less?
[09:30] <AngryElf> void^, what about for right now? :)
[09:30] <mdke> or better, a minimal install then install xubuntu-desktop
[09:31] <void^> AngryElf: get the server back up :P
[09:31] <AngryElf> it is back up, but i still can't umount it, reboot?
[09:31] <ricardo_> can i uninstall some not usefull applications
[09:31] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: well, ubuntu-desktop takes 1.8 G including the base - so if xubuntu takes only 113 MB...
[09:31] <void^> heh.. if it's reachable it should fix itself automagically
[09:31] <andrina> gcc: /usr/local/src/sane/sane-backends-1.0.13/backend/../sanei/.libs/sanei_usb.o : No such file or directory
[09:31] <ricardo_> why that difference?
[09:32] <andrina> what package would this be in?
[09:32] <andrina> what package would this be in?
[09:32] <andrina> sane-hp5400.c:35:24: error: sane/sanei.h: No such file or directory
[09:32] <andrina> sane-hp5400.c:36:32: error: sane/sanei_backend.h: No such file or directory
[09:32] <andrina> sane-hp5400.c:37:31: error: sane/sanei_config.h: No such file or directory
[09:32] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: becuase ubuntu-desktop installs a lot of apps
[09:32] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ like what?
[09:32] <thoreauputic_> andrina: stop repeating please
[09:32] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ does xubuntu have openoffice?
[09:32] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_:  apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop   to see
[09:32] <ricardo_> stop andrina it makes me krazy
[09:33] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: no
[09:33] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ yes i have a list
[09:34] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_:  apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop to see the difference
[09:34] <krishna> hey
[09:34] <krishna> can anyone help me configure grub?
[09:35] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ yes i see
[09:35] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: xubuntu-desktop is pretty nice
[09:35] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: and if you want to play with fluxbox you can install that as well - it's tiny
[09:35] <krishna> i don't even know where to start.... i would like to add another entry for windows... i have two windows partitions  and ubuntu only detected one
[09:36] <patrick52222> i just downloaded this "jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin" how do i install it
[09:36] <aeolist> krishna, the manual is really helpful & straightforward... just google "grub manual"
[09:36] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ how can i get fluxbox
[09:36] <thoreauputic_> !java
[09:36] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:36] <nick|here> lines appear in de screen like this: http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ekrangoruntusu8tn.jpg
[09:36] <nick|here> how can i fix it??
[09:36] <krishna> k... thanks
[09:36] <aeolist> krishna, you'll have to edit a file called menu.lst in the grub directory which is in the boot directory
[09:36] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_:  sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[09:36] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: apt is your friend :)
[09:36] <aeolist> krishna, that's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:37] <krishna> alright, no wysiwyg prog for grub config?
[09:37] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: just be sure to enable the repositories
[09:37] <shukhrat> hello, everyone!
[09:37] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ yes i'm getting familiar with it
[09:37] <ashley3453> if i have to run depmod -a  and ifup ra0 each time i reboot to get my wlan working what have I set up wrong ?
[09:37] <clever> nick|here,  those look likeproblems with your lcd pannel
[09:37] <FlannelKing> krishna: it's really simple
[09:37] <FlannelKing> krishna: honest
[09:37] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ sorry but where is the difference between fluxbox and xubuntu-desktop
[09:37] <krishna> lol okay... i just get nervous about messing with the boot stuff
[09:38] <nick|here> clever: i'm using CRT
[09:38] <clever> nick|here,  then it may be the video card
[09:38] <FlannelKing> krishna: well, if you don't remove the old options, you can always select them at the grub menu.
[09:38] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: big difference - xubuntu-desktop pulls in other apps - fluxbox is just a window manager
[09:38] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ is fluxbox a good option
[09:38] <clever> nick|here, are they moving or constant?
[09:38] <krishna> I don't have a floppy drive and getting it to work after is going to be a problem..
[09:38] <krishna> alright... i'll give it a try, thanks guys
[09:38] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: I suggest you try xubuntu-desktop first
[09:39] <nick|here> clever: they are still, and appears when moving a window or resizing
[09:39] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ how can i make space keeping gnome (for the moment)
[09:39] <clever> could be linux then
[09:39] <patrick52222> when i try to install java i get this problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10958
[09:39] <clever> i was thinking it was similar to my problem
[09:39] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: you can uminstall apps that you don't think you need
[09:39] <shukhrat> does ubuntu have pdfmaker program like Adobe acrobat professional? thanks!
[09:39] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ if i get fluxbox how the other appl work?
[09:39] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: use synaptic or apt
[09:39] <clever> i have horizontal lines that are copys of x pixels to the right
[09:40] <clever> that randomly jump about
[09:40] <nick|here> clever: yep, the same
[09:40] <clever> causing the screen to show double
[09:40] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: all apps will work with any window manager
[09:40] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ can i run my actual appl from fluxbox?
[09:40] <thoreauputic_> sure
[09:40] <ricardo_> ahh ok
[09:40] <clever> also it goes away when i turn up the res on the card
[09:40] <sethk> ricardo_, almost everything doesn't care.  there are a few unimportant things (panel applets, and such) that might.
[09:40] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: I'm running fluxbox here right now
[09:40] <clever> redhat9 got rid of it by running at max res
[09:40] <patrick52222> when i try to install java i get this problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10958
[09:40] <clever> ubuntu doesnt have it at all
[09:41] <patrick52222> im getting the help from the restricted format page but i get errors
[09:41] <nick|here> clever: i'm running at 1280x1024 and its the last
[09:41] <clever> and one of my live cd's defaults to the mode that causes it
[09:41] <shukhrat> does ubuntu have pdfmaker program like Adobe acrobat professional? thanks!
[09:41] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ how can i change to fluxbox now?
[09:41] <thoreauputic_> sethk: true - of course if you want to you can run gnome-panel in fluxbox - though I don't know why you would
[09:41] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ i have to restart?
[09:41] <sethk> patrick52222, it tells you it can't find java-package.  So that's probably not the correct name
[09:42] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: log out, choose it from "Sessions"
[09:42] <sethk> thoreauputic_, that's true
[09:42] <thoreauputic_> on the login screen
[09:42] <ricardo_> ok
[09:42] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: fluxbox is pretty minimal :)
[09:43] <shukhrat> does ubuntu have pdfmaker program like Adobe acrobat professional? thanks!
[09:43] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ i know i can be heavy but tell me the advantages of having fluxbox or xubuntu
[09:43] <void^> fluxbox eats virtually no ram and takes virtually no time to start
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> How to run Firefox 1.07 while 1.5 is installed a la wiki?
[09:43] <patrick52222> it is the right name as it says it on the restricted format page
[09:43] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ what does it mean that fluxbox is only a window manager? what it can't do?
[09:43] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: advantages of xubuntu-desktop : easier, more features - adv of flux - light on resources and configurable
[09:44] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ but xubuntu can do things that flux can't?
[09:44] <tonyyarusso> Never mind.  I just found it.  :P
[09:44] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: it doesn't have "desktop" features like network config GUI, GUI for various other things...
[09:44] <void^> it's basically a matter of look and feel. just try it.
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: yes xubuntu-desktop has more features
[09:45] <patrick52222> or is ther any other help for java other than the restricted format page
[09:45] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ so for this things flux will use gnome, is it ok?
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: fluxbox can do whatever you want it to, but requires more configuration and knowledge
[09:46] <shukhrat> does ubuntu have pdfmaker program like Adobe acrobat professional? thanks!
[09:46] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: no, flux doesn't use gnome
[09:46] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: you are confused I think
[09:46] <ricardo_> yes a bit
[09:46] <sfaris> :)
[09:46] <ricardo_> but i'm learning
[09:46] <patrick52222> or is ther any other help for java other than the restricted format page
[09:46] <ricardo_> and i like it
[09:46] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: you can run gnome apps in fluxbox
[09:46] <ricardo_> if you don't matter i would like to continue
[09:47] <shukhrat> does ubuntu have pdfmaker program like Adobe acrobat professional? thanks!
[09:47] <shukhrat> does ubuntu have pdfmaker program like Adobe acrobat professional? thanks!
[09:47] <shukhrat> does ubuntu have pdfmaker program like Adobe acrobat professional? thanks!
[09:47] <ricardo_> ah like xmms and open office?
[09:47] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: it's just a different way to control your desktop - and looks and feels different
[09:47] <sfaris> shukhrat: please
[09:47] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: just try it and see
[09:47] <ricardo_> well i'm looking for something very functional and it looks like it
[09:47] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: http://fluxbox.org  for more information
[09:48] <AngryElf> what is the file to edit group information?
[09:48] <krishna> hey guys... just a quick question about grub:  ubuntu thinks my second windows partition is on /dev/hda5, however it is actually the second partition on the hard drive, so does that make the "root" "(hd0,4)"  or "(hd0,1)"?
[09:48] <krishna> and what does "savedefault" do?
[09:49] <sethk> AngryElf, /etc/group, but don't change it directly, using the utilities
[09:49] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_ i'm using x-chat there is a way to send you messages without writing your nick
[09:49] <AngryElf> sethk, is the user 'root' a member of group 'root' I can't get that from the utils
[09:49] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: why ? what do you need to do that for?
[09:50] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: the answer is yes , of course...
[09:50] <ricardo_> because it tires me
[09:50] <sethk> AngryElf, sure you can.  just log in as root and run groups or id
[09:50] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_:   thore <tab>
[09:50] <ricardo_> always writing a nick at the beggining
[09:50] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: tocomplete nicks hit tab
[09:50] <ricardo_> what?
[09:51] <ricardo_> so how i put the nick
[09:51] <clever> type thore then hit the tab key
[09:51] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: try   typing   thore <tan>
[09:51] <thoreauputic_> um <tab>
[09:51] <clever> the key that says tab on it:P
[09:51] <ricardo_> thore <tab>
[09:51] <AngryElf> sethk, so, how come when logged in as root I get 'permission denied' when trying to view some NFS shares that are owned by user=me group=root?
[09:51] <sfaris> :)
[09:51] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: haha - no - press th tab key
[09:51] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_,
[09:51] <ricardo_> yes
[09:51] <ricardo_> hahaha
[09:51] <ricardo_> very funny
[09:51] <thoreauputic_> ricardo_: you got it :)
[09:51] <ricardo_> :)
[09:52] <ricardo_> thoreauputic_,  yes i see
[09:52] <sethk> AngryElf, because the permissions don't allow you to see them.
[09:52] <clever> xchat adds the , if the msg is starting with the name
[09:52] <Kennie> tnx god ther is tab :), more easy to dir throught linux eg /usr/lo [tab]  etc
[09:52] <ricardo_> thoreauputic thank you
[09:52] <AngryElf> sethk, but i can't change the permissions
[09:52] <sfaris> if its more than one nick beginning with the given letters you can press <tab> several times.. ie tho<tab><tab><tab><tab><tab>
[09:52] <thoreauputic> ricardo_: no problem :)
[09:52] <sfaris> :)
[09:53] <ricardo_> thoreauputic,  i'll be back in a second and i'll tell you what i think about flux
[09:53] <clever> also xchat wont finish if theres too many like t<tab> causes
[09:53] <sethk> AngryElf, I'd have to see the specifics to tell you why, but as root you can change the ownership or permissions.  It's possible the problem is user id or group id mapping by mount
[09:53] <thoreauputic> ricardo_: right  click for  menu in flux
[09:53] <clever> instead it lists all the posible choices for you in the window
[09:53] <ricardo_> ok
[09:53] <sfaris> clever: works for me
[09:53] <sfaris> oh, never mind :)
[09:54] <sfaris> im at work.. using mIRC :|
[09:54] <clever> i know mirc alot better
[09:54] <clever> mirc doesnt care how many start with what you typed and just forces you thru the list of 500 t names:P
[09:54] <thoreauputic> ;)
[09:54] <clever> im only using xchat because ubuntu doesnt like wine
[09:54] <clever> ubuntu+wine=crash
[09:55] <clever> just like driving+beer=crash
[09:55] <AngryElf> sethk, as root it gives me perm denied when i try to do anything (on the client)......on the server everything is me:root 744......and the UIDs for me are 1000 on both boxes
[09:55] <thefish> clever: check out konversation, its pretty cool as well
[09:55] <Mika_i> clever: :D
[09:55] <void^> use irssi
[09:55] <clever> i only use irssi when the x server isnt up
[09:55] <nick|here> clever: have you got any solution for me?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> !start an IRC client war
[09:55] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:56] <thoreauputic> bah, ubotu is no fun
[09:56] <sethk> AngryElf, you can't even do ls?
[09:56] <clever> havent found my screenshot yet nick|here :S
[09:56] <thoreauputic> someone removed the "war" factoids :(
[09:56] <AngryElf> it gives me perm denied
[09:56] <sethk> AngryElf, it's possible to map a user id to another user id when something is mounted.  So, it might map 1000 to something else, which could make it invisible to you.
[09:57] <sfaris> nick|here, i think you might have got it wrong.. "nick here" means that you should have your nickname there ;D
[09:57] <sethk> AngryElf, that's one possible reason.
[09:57] <sethk> AngryElf, do you have root on the box where you can't see them?
[09:57] <AngryElf> sethk, yes, UID=0
[09:57] <clever> nick|here, http://clever.mine.nu/download/laptop.jpg is a copy of my problem
[09:57] <AngryElf> same on the server
[09:57] <nick|here> sfaris: it's my decision
[09:57] <sethk> AngryElf, logged in as root, then, can you ls?
[09:57] <clever> nick|here, in the shot you can see 3 mouse pointers
[09:57] <AngryElf> no
[09:57] <sfaris> i know.. j/k :)
[09:58] <AngryElf> sethk, pm
[09:58] <nick|here> clever: not that bad. i have only 1 px thin black lines
[09:58] <harm_> hi iam sorry, i avtn presearched this qeustion, but how do i switch from gnome to KDE?
[09:58] <clever> nick|here, when on lower res's the edges of my distortions are moving randomly
[09:59] <thoreauputic> n4cht: please turn you away script off
[09:59] <clever> nick|here, with 1pixel tall bits jumping in/out from the main line
[10:01] <overrider> is there a way i can monitor the file deletions made to a samba fileserver? so when someone comes and says the file is gone, i can see who deleted it?
[10:01] <clever> where by default is the xserver conf file?
[10:02] <thoreauputic> clever: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:02] <clever> :D
[10:03] <harm_> how can i remove openoffice1, because i have 1 and 2 :P
[10:03] <boci^> hi
[10:03] <boci^> How can I upgrade ruby to 1.8.4 in ubuntu?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> greetings boci^
[10:04] <boci^> (rails 1.1 not work with 1.8.3)
[10:04] <sethk> boci^, is there a package for it?  If not you'll have to build it from a tarball
[10:04] <Seveas> boci^, lart the ruby/rails developers so they care about backwards compatability
[10:04] <sethk> boci^, which isn't difficult but the package manager won't know about it.
[10:04] <harm_> how can i switch from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[10:04] <Seveas> boci^, ruby/ror are on serious crack
[10:05] <boci^> :/
[10:05] <thoreauputic> harm_: install kubuntu-desktop
[10:05] <harm_> thx
[10:05] <thoreauputic> harm_: that gives you the choice then of gnome or KDE
[10:05] <REyM> nm
[10:06] <harm_> can i install KDE and then remove GNOME? i seriously hate it
[10:06] <Eleaf> join #frosted
[10:06] <Eleaf> OMMom
[10:07] <thoreauputic> harm_: possible but tricky
[10:07] <Seveas> !removegnome
[10:07] <ubotu> Want to remove gnome/kde completely? Look at debfoster, it's a great help
[10:07] <Eleaf> hmm
[10:07] <harm_> its hard?
[10:07] <harm_> =X well i mean if it really is hard its going to be a debian net install
[10:07] <thoreauputic> harm_: debfoster will help, as Seveas points out
[10:08] <thoreauputic> harm_: alternatively, install kubuntu from a kubuntu CD
[10:09] <harm_> i dont have a kubuntu CD, and i dont feel like burning it just for the sake of it
[10:09] <thoreauputic> harm_: then install kubuntu-desktop
[10:09] <thoreauputic> harm_: and use debfoster to remove gnome
[10:10] <nick|here> clever: i have reinstalled my nvidia drivers, but when i try "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" getting error: Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[10:10] <harm_> i cant use synaptic manager?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> harm_: sure you can - to install kubuntu-desktop
[10:10] <clever> i havent installed video drives on linux before
[10:10] <thoreauputic> harm_: to uninstall as well, if you wish
[10:11] <thoreauputic> harm_: but you will probably need debfoster as well
[10:11] <nick|here> thoreauputic: can you help me?
[10:11] <philc> can I use modrewrite to rewrite a domain? I have domain forwarding on, so it's domain.com/page, and I want to rewrite that as "newdomain.com/page2" or something
[10:11] <philc> is that possible?
[10:11] <intelikey> morning folks.
[10:11] <harm_> there :) works like a charm i used synaptic and it asked mt prefered gnome or kde :)
[10:11] <thoreauputic> nick|here: I have no idea if I can or not... what is your issue ?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> harm_: right
[10:11] <nick|here> thoreauputic: i have reinstalled my nvidia drivers, but when i try "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" getting error: Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[10:12] <harm_> thoreaputic thanks, you seem very knowledgeable about linux
[10:12] <thoreauputic> nick|here: sorry, i don't know about nvidia - have you read the wiki page?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[10:12] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[10:12] <nick|here> yep i followed the instructions at the wiki
[10:12] <nick|here> then i get the error
[10:13] <gypsymauro> hello, I'v einstalled a gtk1.2 app but fonts look so ugly and big..any hint?
[10:13] <thoreauputic> nick|here: just picked a few things up over the last few years ;)
[10:13] <harm_> :P
[10:13] <fek> moin
[10:13] <thoreauputic> umm nick|here sorry that was for someone else
[10:14] <boci^> sethk, Seveas : ruby 1.8.3 is very buggy...
[10:14] <thoreauputic> harm_: mostly about ubuntu and debian ( but I'm no guru I'm afraid)
[10:14] <sethk> boci^, ok, then use the newer one.
[10:14] <harm_> iam a lot beter off with debian net install actually
[10:15] <sethk> boci^, I build it from source, and it isn't a problem, at least for me.
[10:15] <harm_> but iam very sucky at linux
[10:15] <thoreauputic> harm_: whatever works for you - Debian is a fine distro of corse
[10:15] <thoreauputic> *course
[10:15] <harm_> thoreaputic ubuntu is debian-like, but i wanne give kubuntu a go.. how do i switch from Gnome to KDe once installed?
[10:15] <sethk> harm_, ubuntu is so much simpler to install.  If you can install debian, you can surely learn to install ubuntu in an hour or two.
[10:16] <boci^> sethk: ok, but rails 1.1 (released) is not work with 1.8.3
[10:16] <thoreauputic> harm_: Not really much difference in operation between Ubuntu and Debian
[10:16] <boci^> agh I install from source...
[10:16] <boci^> thnx
[10:16] <sethk> harm_, at the login screen, click on sessions
[10:16] <RMeist> ah I already found it:)
[10:16] <harm_> ok thank tou sethk
[10:16] <RMeist> didnt even had have to ask:P
[10:16] <thoreauputic> harm_: just choose the KDE session as sethk says
[10:16] <harm_> let me log back in
[10:16] <BlueHeron> man epsxe
[10:16] <BlueHeron> is great
[10:16] <harm_> brb
[10:16] !lilo:*! (small regional server ping out and reconnect; affected users, about 247)
[10:18] <intelikey> hmmm quiet morning or am i disconnected ?
[10:19] <harm_> it worked :D
[10:19] <Seveas> intelikey, you're disconnected
[10:19] <sethk> intelikey, both, probably
[10:19] <thoreauputic> harm_: of course ;-)
[10:20] <intelikey> yeah i noticed that Seveas when harm_ piped up, but thanks for confirming it for me  :)
[10:20] <thoreauputic> intelikey: most of the channel has you on /ignore, that's all ;-)
[10:21] <Seveas> thoreauputic, that was a secret!
[10:21] <harm_> however it does appear that i cant simply remove gnome
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Seveas: oops!
[10:21] <intelikey> i saw the server notice from lilo and then nothing for about a minute,,, made me wonder.
[10:21] <sethk> thoreauputic, if you put me on ignore, I'll never speak to you again!   :)
[10:21] <intelikey> thoreauputic :)
[10:21] <harm_> lol
[10:21] <thoreauputic> sethk: aww... ;-)
[10:22] <intelikey> i got banned for putting a chan op on ignore one time...
[10:22] <Seveas> /ignore *!*@*  Resistance is futile!
[10:24] <Seveas> thoreauputic, au contraire - I'm leaving
[10:24] <Seveas> Have to look at a hoary server which takes 15 mins to reboot
[10:24] <Teh_unfindable> now lets see if he finds me
[10:24] <Seveas> ciao bambini
[10:25] <Chillien> *Hi, just installed Ubuntu yesterday, I wanted a challenge compared to Windows. But I need some help mounting my HD and organizing folders, thanks in advance
[10:25] <intelikey> !ntfs
[10:25] <ubotu> it has been said that ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:26] <AngryElf> how would I make links to every file in /directory/ without doing each one individually?
[10:26] <intelikey> Chillien ^
[10:26] <intelikey> AngryElf link the folder ?
[10:26] <Teh_unfindable> Ah chillien yesterday i found a nice guide which got it working for me
[10:26] <JDahl> I have a partly broken network in Dapper/AMD64. There's a nameclash between eth1 and eth0, so I always have to type "sudo ifup eth1=eth0" to get the network running. Any ideas on what to look for for fixing it?
[10:26] <AngryElf> no i want links to every file
[10:26] <Plug> AngryElf: for i in /foo/*; do ln -s $i . ; done
[10:27] <Chillien> I would like to format my HD to a non windows parti, how?
[10:27] <Nabiki> Are there any Japanese friendly IRC clients for Linux?
[10:27] <intelikey> AngryElf no way without doing every one then,  that i know of.  but you could do with a for statement.
[10:27] <thoreauputic> AngryElf: you can symlink the whole dir - same effect
[10:27] <intelikey> let the system repete the process for you.
[10:28] <variant> Chillien: mkreiserfs /dev/hd<partition number>
[10:28] <intelikey> thoreauputic i just said that.
[10:28] <AngryElf> Plug,  that worked, thanx!
[10:28] <intelikey> :)
[10:28] <Plug> np
[10:28] <thoreauputic> intelikey: erm, yes OK - sorry for breathing ;)
[10:28] <intelikey> lol
[10:29] <intelikey> it's not whether or not you breath. it's how your breath smells   :)
[10:29] <thoreauputic> intelikey: you don't want to know...
[10:29] <intelikey> no
[10:29] <Chillien> thanks, working on it
[10:30] <intelikey> let's don't go there thoreauputic :)
[10:30] <BobC2> Hello, Like Chillien my 2nd day with Linux (Ubunto is amazing!) I'd like to used Gimp Help say I need to load "Gimphelp-en" ..How, where please?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[10:30] <intelikey> yo  toss the blunt  homey
[10:31] <variant> BobC2: apt-get install gimphelp-en i guess
[10:31] <wezzer> BobC2: open up synaptic and search there
[10:31] <thoreauputic> BobC2: sudo apt-get install gimp-help-en
[10:31] <young> in what directory should I install java in?
[10:31] <home2> Man I love this software!!!!\
[10:31] <thoreauputic> BobC2: to find that I did  apt-cache search gimp | grep help
[10:31] <intelikey> !java
[10:31] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[10:32] <intelikey> !javadeb
[10:32] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun and IBM java packages can be found at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[10:32] <Chillien> I actually found  Automatix or something yesterday, now THAT was a cool utility
[10:32] <young> thank you
[10:32] <AngryElf> Plug, 'done' ends the for loop, yes?.......
[10:32] <home2> Does anyone know What I put in to connect to aol instant messanger?
[10:32] <BobC2> variant wezzer thoreauputic thanks but I don't know what means?  On google thoreauputic?
[10:32] <Plug> yes
[10:32] <Plug> (it ends the 'do' loop)
[10:33] <sfaris> BobC2: no, in the terminal :)
[10:33] <JDahl> my /etc/network/interfaces is configured for eth0, but eth0 cannot be activated, rather I have to map it to eth1 via "sudo ifup eth1=eth0" - any clues on where to dig in to fix it?
[10:33] <vladuz976> one question, how hard is it to get ipod with gtkpod working under ubuntu?
[10:33] <thoreauputic> BobC2: in a termianl, type  sudo apt-get install gimp-help-en
[10:33] <BobC2> sfaris ahh OK
[10:33] <sfaris> BobC2: You can use synaptic (system -> admin -> synaptic) to search for packages
[10:34] <Chillien> I am so lost, whats the point with the filesystem and all that?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> BobC2: synaptic is an easier way to find software if you prefer to point and click :)
[10:34] <BobC2> thoreauputic sfaris gottcha thanks
[10:34] <home2> I would like to connect and get my buddy list in aol instant messange I don't know the address to put it this xchat
[10:34] <intelikey> Chillien ?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Chillien: everything is below /
[10:34] <BobC2> thoreauputic thanks I am a GUI kinda guy!
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Chillien: the root of the filesysytem
[10:35] <intelikey> BobC2 that wont last long
[10:35] <thoreauputic> *filesystem
[10:35] <Chillien> Well, I am used to having  C and D etc, browse these two discs, have one with programs and the other  disc with media files
[10:35] <phantomcircuit> if your ex is making out with someone in front of you, and the guy is doign it because he's a) to stupid b) is tryign to piss me off, do you think id be justified in cutting his achilles tendon and watchign him flop around liek a fish out of water
[10:35] <Plug> JDahl: do you have a module mapped to eth1 in /etc/modules.conf ?
[10:35] <rnd_null> does anyone use bluetooth with ubuntu?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> Chillien: yes, you are indoctrinated ;)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Chillien: linux uses a different model, that's all
[10:36] <intelikey> BobC2 i said the same exact words "I am a GUI kinda guy!" about two years ago.   i don't even start x anymore unless i need to look at a picture.   and don't have to for that.
[10:36] <home2> anyone get there autocad working on the Ubuntu Yet?
[10:36] <BobC2> intelikey lol Well as an old Amiga head that had a nice CLI I still am..perhaps Ubunto might change that!
[10:36] <Chillien> After typing inside the Terminal: mkreiserfs /dev/hd<1>     A new thing came up, hdd1 but I cant do anything with it
[10:36] <JDahl> Plug, no. In fact, I only have /etc/modules, which doesnt have it either. This is a new problem after I dist-upgraded to dapper a week back
[10:37] <thoreauputic> Chillien: what are you actually tring to do?
[10:37] <thoreauputic> *trying
[10:37] <JDahl> Plug, "sudo ifup eth0" tells me: "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device"
[10:37] <BobC2> intelikey Ahhh 2 years  maybe..just maybe!  lol
[10:37] <intelikey> :)
[10:37] <Plug> pastebin the /etc/network/interface file?
[10:37] <BobC2> Thank all for ther help and kind words!
[10:37] <rnd_null> i need help with PPP, I have a device that I cannot get to connect via bluetooth, I keep getting a timeout 0x1231 error.  Does anyone know anything about this?
[10:37] <Chillien> I just wish that there werent so many folders laying randomly around
[10:38] <sfaris> does anybody know a good site where the filesystem is explained (what lost+found, /etc, /boot, /dev is for e.t.c)?
[10:38] <Plug> sfaris: FHS
[10:38] <sfaris> fhs?
[10:38] <Plug> hang on
[10:38] <thoreauputic> Chillien: nothing random about it - you just don't understand it yet
[10:38] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:38] <home2> Are you pretty good with know setting on this Ubuntu and Xchat
[10:38] <Chillien> I also have a 250GB HD which is always locked when I try to modify it
[10:38] <Plug> http://www.wlug.org.nz/FileSystemHierarchy
[10:38] <AngryElf> Plug, can you take a look at somethin for me? pm?
[10:38] <BlueHeron> Chillien: from a live-cd ?
[10:38] <sethk> JDahl, at one time there must have been an eth0 in your box, that is now removed, broken, disabled in bios, or something like that.
[10:38] <Plug> AngryElf: tell the channel
[10:38] <Chillien> nope, I installed the whole thing
[10:38] <JDahl> Plug, it looks fine, the relevant line is: "iface eth0 inet dhcp"... by googling I saw a few threads with people having the same Dapper problem for wireless LANs - apparently it's a udev problem, I was just hoping there's an easy fix
[10:38] <sfaris> 10x 2 Plug!!!1 ;D
[10:38] <Chillien> THere is a lock on the folder I mount it to
[10:38] <AngryElf> pm
[10:39] <JDahl> sethk, yes - I've always used eth0
[10:39] <Plug> AngryElf: no, the channel can help too
[10:39] <BlueHeron> Chillien: sudo chmod 777 /dir/name
[10:39] <home2> I'll give someone a piece of software if they help me!
[10:39] <AngryElf> oh, i didn't want to paste code, it's not much tho
[10:39] <BlueHeron> home2: oooh oooh pick me
[10:40] <Plug> JDahl: never done much with udev, can't help you sorry
[10:40] <home2> god no one would help unless the goods are given out...
[10:40] <Plug> ahh
[10:40] <home2> I need help setting up my xchat to talk to my aol friends with there istant messgers
[10:40] <Plug> JDahl: /etc/iftab
[10:40] <JDahl> the strange thing is how eth1 came into the picture - if it's not in /etc/network/interface, where would it be defined?
[10:41] <kleinlappies> is ubuntu good for making it my multimedia pc eg. watching movies (vis tv out on my t.v) palying  music etc.
[10:41] <BlueHeron> home2: lol, xchat doesnt' do AIM
[10:41] <BlueHeron> home2: sudo apt-get install gaim
[10:41] <Plug> it will probably map your MAC to eth1
[10:41] <Chillien> But so, when I format my HD there are so many options!  Format Type, access path bla bla
[10:41] <Chillien> what should I do, please?
[10:41] <selinium> home2, gaim
[10:41] <rnd_null> kleinlappies, yes
[10:41] <Eleaf> gaim should already be installed anyways BlueHeron ;)
[10:41] <Plug> AngryElf: use the pastebin in the topic
[10:41] <selinium> home2, there is no need to bribe people, just ask the question!
[10:41] <home2> in the repository
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Chillien: you need to be much more specific - I suggest you read a bit about the linux filesystem
[10:42] <Chillien> btw, I ahve my music on my iPod, I used to use Winamp to extract the mp3's from the iPod onto my comp
[10:42] <kleinlappies> rnd_null can you maybe tell me what is the best movie player?
[10:42] <selinium> home2 check your Applications/Internet dropdown menus..
[10:42] <BlueHeron> Eleaf: good point it's 3:42 AM here, i forgot :-P
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Chillien: try looking at   http://help.ubuntu.com and google
[10:42] <home2> thank you...
[10:42] <AngryElf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10964  I'm basically trying to flatten the directory tree, but that code's giving me an error with the 2nd for loop.......i'm not to shell scripting, what'd i do wrong?
[10:42] <AngryElf> *new
[10:42] <Eleaf> BlueHeron, hehe.
[10:42] <Plug> Flatten the tree?
[10:43] <kleinlappies> i want to sit infront of the t.v and via bluettoth remote watch my movies and series
[10:43] <Plug> Oh, I see
[10:43] <JDahl> Plug, actually the mac address for eth0 in /etc/iftab doesnt match the output from ifconfig.
[10:43] <rnd_null> kleinlappies, i use totem and vlc, between those 2 just about any format video i want to play will play (except for some wm9 and wm10 encoded videos)
[10:43] <Plug> you need a do/done around the foj
[10:43] <Chillien> Well ok, I have a 80GB which is now 60GB after ubuntu taking up 20 GB for some reason. I also have a 250GB which a want to mount and have my media files. Now how would I format it and *install* it?
[10:43] <Plug> for j
[10:43] <AngryElf> i want every file beneath pictures to be linked to in links
[10:43] <Plug> for i in *; do for j in *; do foo; done; done;
[10:43] <home2> ok gaim I know got...that was fast
[10:43] <liable> Chillien: what? ubuntu has actually *used* 20G??
[10:43] <Plug> JDahl: that probably means it can't assign eth0
[10:43] <rnd_null> kleinlappies, oh, they will also cover dvd playing as well
[10:43] <Plug> cos its not the right card
[10:43] <home2> Now do you know the server input
[10:44] <kleinlappies> rnd_null ah who needs those win formats anywahys
[10:44] <Chillien> yes liable
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Chillien: is the 250GB already holding files? In ntfs filesystem ?
[10:44] <BlueHeron> home2: server input ?
[10:44] <Chillien> I guess it was a windows parti before I installed Linux, but thats possible to change?
[10:44] <Chillien> I have no problems formating it
[10:44] <rnd_null> kleinlappies my tv card works great too, i use TVTime with absolutely no problems
[10:45] <BlueHeron> Chillien: if the drive isn't in use yet format it to EXT3
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Chillien: there's no way that Ubuntu has filled 20GB in a default install
[10:45] <JDahl> Plug, I feel kind of stupid now... I had my motherboard with onboard netcard replaced due to malfunction - but I still managed to dist-upgrade with the new netcard before things went sour
[10:45] <BlueHeron> JDahl: lol
[10:45] <home2> I see its the aol instant messanger
[10:45] <Plug> JDahl: don't worry :)  That fixed it?
[10:45] <BlueHeron> home2: just put in your account name / password
[10:45] <kleinlappies> rnd_null sorry what is TVTime?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Chillien: you just need to identify it ( try sudo fdisk -l in a terminal)
[10:45] <Chillien> the "Original" size of the disc is 73, it has now 63gb left
[10:45] <kleinlappies> i have a nvidia card
[10:46] <rnd_null> kleinlappies its a program that runs your tv card so you can watch tv on your computer
[10:46] <kleinlappies> rnd_null oh
[10:46] <BlueHeron> Chillien: in a terminal do this please, sudo tune2fs -m 0
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Chillien: that would be 10G then? Is that the size you specified on install ?
[10:46] <selinium> home2: Take a look at the home page, Oodles of info http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
[10:46] <BlueHeron> Chillien: then tell us the free space
[10:46] <BlueHeron> thoreauputic: i think he is reserving 5%
[10:46] <JDahl> Plug, I dont know the right way to configure the MAC of eth0... I doubt manually editing /etc/iftab is recommended
[10:46] <Plug> Remove the line
[10:46] <Plug> udev will say "can't allocate eth0" and go to eth1
[10:46] <Chillien> I didnt specify anything, it just started installing after I formatted the 80Gig
[10:47] <Plug> see what I mean?
[10:47] <BlueHeron> Chillien: do that command please
[10:47] <BlueHeron> Chillien: in a terminal do this please, sudo tune2fs -m 0
[10:47] <kleinlappies> rnd_null i live in south afica and here we can do that but we can't get the shedule of programs from our sattelite service
[10:47] <odat> i am having audio / video sync problems in any player
[10:47] <rnd_null> kleinlappies o
[10:47] <Chillien> I am now formating the 250GB , extend 3 or whatever
[10:47] <BlueHeron> Chillien: if you listen to me you can save some more space ..
[10:47] <Chillien> I will try to command after I formatted it Extend 3
[10:48] <BlueHeron> Chillien: do that on all your HD's
[10:48] <Chillien> k
[10:48] <kleinlappies> rnd_null its a pain --i can watch tv but not setup a shedule to record for the day
[10:48] <BlueHeron> it will increase the free space
[10:48] <home2> Thank you...It works very well!
[10:48] <odat> i am having audio / video sync problems in any player
[10:48] <Chillien> thanks for reply
[10:49] <Chillien> when I chose extend 3 it auto choses extend 2?
[10:49] <kleinlappies> rnd_null im gonna take this one step at a time -- want to make a windows media centre style pc for the home
[10:49] <home2> I have never used such great software until recently! How come more people don't use this linux
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Chillien: ext3 is just ext2 plus a journal
[10:49] <intelikey> BlueHeron you talking about reducing reserved block percentage on extfs  or what ?
[10:50] <BlueHeron> intelikey: yea
[10:50] <JDahl> Plug, thanks - that probably fixes it!  I will restart the network and see what happens
[10:50] <intelikey> k
[10:50] <BlueHeron> intelikey: what would cause my delete key to stop auto-repeating like i gotta hit it over and over? is that xserver ?
[10:50] <odat> i am having audio / video sync problems in any player  ubuntu on a p3 1.0 ghz 512 ram
[10:50] <BlueHeron> intelikey: can i just reconfigure xserver ?
[10:50] <Chillien> now the 250GB is Windows NTFS, I dunno if that makes sense. But ok, where should I mount to
[10:50] <BlueHeron> Chillien: /media/storage or /mnt/storage or something
[10:51] <nick|here> /etc/init.d/gdm start fails but startx starts the X server?
[10:51] <Chillien> ok
[10:51] <intelikey> BlueHeron yeah.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:51] <BlueHeron> Chillien: but if it's NTFS you need to format it
[10:51] <Chillien> I have formatted it 6 times now but it always comes out as windows
[10:51] <BlueHeron> intelikey: is the ATI official drivers show as fglrx also?
[10:51] <sethk> BlueHeron, mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd??
[10:52] <selinium> home2: people buy computers with Windows installed as standard, they never get to see other software.
[10:52] <intelikey> Chillien use cfdisk and change the partition type.
[10:52] <Chillien> k, ty
[10:52] <BlueHeron> intelikey: i can't remember
[10:52] <odat> i am having audio / video sync problems in any player  ubuntu on a p3 1.0 ghz 512 ram
[10:52] <home2> What are you having trouble with regarding Windows I might know
[10:52] <intelikey> BlueHeron idk
[10:52] <sethk> BlueHeron, sorry, wrong nick
[10:52] <intelikey> !ati
[10:52] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[10:52] <BlueHeron> sethk: no problem
[10:52] <intelikey> maybe there listed ^
[10:52] <thoreauputic> odat: don't repeat - we saw the first time
[10:52] <Chillien> FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disc drive, when writing :cfdisk
[10:52] <thoreauputic> odat: please be more specific
[10:52] <kleinlappies> hi
[10:53] <intelikey> Chillien as root
[10:53] <AngryElf> if i do -> for i in pictures/*; then for j in $i.........it won't interpret $i as a directory, but it's not giving an error either
[10:53] <thoreauputic> odat: have you set dma on your hard drive?
[10:53] <sethk> Chillien, either you have a serious problem (unlikely), or you used the wrong partition name or you aren't root
[10:53] <thoreauputic> !dma
[10:53] <odat> audio vid sync is fine with the same file on a different   faster machine
[10:53] <home2> your logical drives are setup correctly
[10:53] <kleinlappies> for connecting to the net via pppoe what is the best tool to use at the moment im using the pppoeconf command
[10:53] <thoreauputic> !tell odat about dma
[10:53] <Plug> AngryElf: you could do for j in `ls $i`
[10:54] <painkiler> hey guys
[10:54] <Chillien> The HD name is /dev/hdd1
[10:54] <sethk> AngryElf, in that syntax, $i is a list, not a directory.  a directory happens to be a list of files, but the relevant property is list.
[10:54] <intelikey> Chillien no
[10:54] <intelikey> leave the 1 off
[10:54] <sethk> AngryElf, as plug said  $(ls $i) will turn it into a list if it is the name of a directory
[10:54] <painkiler> whats the gnome-art thing called again?
[10:54] <sethk> AngryElf, use $(), not ``
[10:54] <Chillien> how?
[10:54] <painkiler> the one you apt-get
[10:54] <intelikey> Chillien sudo cfdisk /dev/hdd
[10:55] <Chillien> ah!
[10:55] <sethk> Chillien, if you already have a partition, you don't need to run fdisk/cfdisk/whatever-fdisk
[10:55] <painkiler> i need to install a splash screen
[10:55] <Chillien> Then I chose delete?
[10:55] <BlueHeron> painkiler: gnome-art
[10:55] <sethk> Chillien, you just need to format the partition
[10:55] <painkiler> not there
[10:55] <sethk> Chillien, to delete what?  why?
[10:55] <intelikey> sethk it's ntfs partition and it is causing problems
[10:55] <Chillien> I acutally managed to install splash screen :D
[10:55] <BlueHeron> painkiler: you got a good sources.list ?
[10:55] <manichino> art-manager
[10:55] <home2> if your not formated and or partioned correctly you will always get that fatal error
[10:55] <Chillien> I get a menu with, boot, delete, write bla bla
[10:55] <painkiler> yeah, latest dapper
[10:56] <sethk> intelikey, then he can change the partition type
[10:56] <intelikey> that's what i instructed ^ up there sethk
[10:56] <painkiler> im going to se if i have
[10:56] <sethk> Chillien, you want it to be a linux partition, change the partition type.
[10:56] <intelikey> 83
[10:56] <cdo> can anyone tell me where sources.list is located at ?
[10:56] <BlueHeron>  /etc/apt
[10:56] <Fujitsu> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <sethk> Chillien, in fdisk it is "t".  Not sure about cfdisk, which I generally don't use.
[10:56] <home2> I've had a system take a operating system and fatal error everytime while running
[10:56] <Chillien> Then I get a 100 choices
[10:57] <cdo> Fujitsu thanks
[10:57] <kleinlappies> painkiller there is a app in sysaptic do a search its name is gnome-spash-?
[10:57] <intelikey> cdo yep everyone in here it seems can tell that.
[10:57] <cdo> intelikey yeah im new .. sorry
[10:57] <sethk> Chillien, intelikey told you.  it is hex 83, linux.  there are only two you care about, linux, and linux swap.
[10:57] <hawaisurf> hi I have a problem with my screen resolution....it seems that I just can choose 640x480 in my screenresolution menu...how I can change it?
[10:57] <home2> I had to have the right format done and then after partioned it stopped
[10:57] <BlueHeron> most people don't know about tune2f
[10:57] <BlueHeron> s
[10:57] <vladuz976> how can i change the ownership of a directory?
[10:57] <sfaris> intelikey: thank you very much
[10:57] <home2> it's in applications
[10:57] <BlueHeron> vladuz976: chown
[10:57] <Chillien> Then just quit?
[10:57] <home2> I saw it
[10:58] <intelikey> sfaris np
[10:58] <manichino> preferences resolutin screen
[10:58] <sethk> hawaisurf, usually that means that your monitor was not recognized and the x config program doesn't know what resolutions it supports
[10:58] <intelikey> Chillien write to disk and quit
[10:58] <odat> its not dma
[10:58] <home2> I run this ubuntu on my new Gateway
[10:58] <Chillien> thank you :D!
[10:59] <vladuz976> like chown +x ?
[10:59] <vladuz976> to make a directory writable?
[10:59] <hawaisurf> sethk: but in the last sesion was everything working ok...how can I change it then?
[10:59] <intelikey> "chown +x ?"   :)
[10:59] <home2> I have 3 operating systems on there own partions Ubuntu is my favorite by far....I only wish I had the same applications I;m use to>
[10:59] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: chown -R username:groupname <dir>
[10:59] <Chillien> "No primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this.
[10:59] <Chillien>                  Toggle bootable flag of the current partition
[10:59] <Chillien> "
[10:59] <odat> i am having audio / video sync problems in any player  ubuntu on a p3 1.0 ghz 512 ram
[10:59] <Chillien> euuu, after using write "yes"
[11:00] <intelikey> dos can't boot ext3 anyway
[11:00] <JDahl> Plug, you're a lifesaver - it solved my problem!
[11:00] <Chillien> but I am done?
[11:00] <intelikey> yeah
[11:00] <home2> if you get that far with the boot flag you should just delete reformat with correct format type: I like number 3 It always seems to work the best
[11:01] <Chillien> lal, still says Windows NTFS in the  Disks program
[11:01] <painkiler> man, it seems that gnome has been removed underneath my feet.
[11:01] <painkiler> that sucks
[11:01] <intelikey> Chillien did you close it and restart it ?
[11:01] <Chillien> restart?
[11:02] <intelikey> the "Disks program"
[11:02] <Chillien> yep
[11:02] <intelikey> pastebin your fstab
[11:02] <intelikey> !paste
[11:02] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[11:02] <intelikey>  /etc/fstab
[11:02] <home2> I need to get my Wirless Card Setup and One have a clue...Its a belkin
[11:03] <home2> In ubuntu...Linspire Does it so I;m convience Ubuntu can too..
[11:03] <Chillien> !paste
[11:03] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[11:03] <intelikey> i don't know anything about the "Disks program"  but i know how to make linux mount ext3 partitions
[11:04] <Chillien> ah, this is why I hate linux, Everything becomes so damn complicated
[11:04] <Chillien> I tried getting Wine to work yesterday too but no good
[11:04] <home2> Oh....You need to go here chillen....I just remembered!
[11:04] <GTroy> ok, ok I love XGL, BUT the nvidia card says don't use in under 300watt power supply and mine is only a 250
[11:04] <home2> it is called Ultimate Boot Disk....get the image and burn to cd and then boot full of disk utilitys the best I love it
[11:05] <GTroy> HELP!!!
[11:05] <sethk> Chillien, if you hate it, why do you use it?
[11:05] <Chillien> because I want something new
[11:05] <GTroy> Chillien: ubuntu rocks like nothing else
[11:05] <Chillien> so tired of Windows
[11:05] <Chillien> but then again windows is the only option, except mac but thats just expensive
[11:05] <jouke> Hi, I just install ubuntu and I am experimenting with nis. I can login with nis already and stuff, but now I want to give audio rights to nis users. how do I do that?
[11:06] <sethk> Chillien, your problem is you are trying to find an "easy" way to do it.  You can do the whole job with a couple of utilities in a few minutes.  Just run fdisk /dev/hdd, then choose change partition type, put in the partition number, and set the type to 83.  done
[11:06] <Chillien> k
[11:06] <intelikey> Chillien as you learn how and why it get's less and less "so damn complicated"
[11:06] <neoxan> Chillien, theres a #ubuntu-fr channel :))
[11:06] <Chillien> I am Norwegian
[11:06] <Chillien> I live in PAris
[11:06] <neoxan> #ubuntu-no
[11:06] <GTroy> I've got more done in ubuntu in 7 months than with windows in 10 years
[11:06] <neoxan> ;)
[11:06] <neoxan> :D
[11:07] <Chillien> fdisk /dev/hdd
[11:07] <Chillien> unable to open fdisk /dev/hdd
[11:07] <intelikey> sudo
[11:08] <home2> I've just started using it for my server..I've been buying domains check out my store www.StopOneShop.Com
[11:08] <GTroy> will my computer blow chunks if I use a card that requires too much power?
[11:08] <Chillien> after doing fdisk, then what?
[11:08] <home2> The only way to do Email and Ecommerce.
[11:08] <GTroy> card box says 300W I've got 250....
[11:08] <GTroy> damn!
[11:09] <GTroy> oops sorry!
[11:09] <intelikey> GTroy no.  the ps will 'give up the ghost' tho
[11:09] <home2> The Only Software....Ubuntu
[11:09] <GTroy> well since I can't fix the ps, I'd better not
[11:09] <Chillien> First cylinder (1-30401, default 1):
[11:09] <Chillien> ?
[11:09] <GTroy> time for a new box!!!
[11:09] <intelikey> 1
[11:10] <Chillien> Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-30401, default 30401):
[11:10] <Chillien>  lol, what is all this?
[11:10] <home2> Anyone Check out My Store Yet...Http://www.StopOneShop.Com
[11:10] <jouke> Chillien,
[11:11] <intelikey> 30401
[11:11] <jouke> what do you want to do?
[11:11] <jouke> make one big partition?
[11:11] <liable> mintle??
[11:11] <Chillien> I want my HD, 250GB to become a non Windows HD. I can browse it and add media to it
[11:11] <home2> It being setup But I'll take Suggestions....anyone good with Creating Awsome Web Pages
[11:11] <intelikey> very mintle  yes liable,   i road the short bus. leave me alone.
[11:11] <agalavis> Chillien: regarding the price of macs, you can still get a mac mini... but then again, i used to use osX and now that i use linux i don't see the point in going back :D
[11:12] <Chillien>  /cry
[11:12] <home2> I run my linux and windows on the same Laptop
[11:12] <home2> I think it is going to blow up
[11:12] <Chillien> It must be the disc programs that came along Ubuntu that just sucks
[11:13] <liable> intelikey: you're a kiwi? :)
[11:13] <Chillien> I guess I should install it all over again, or just go to Win again...
[11:14] <intelikey> home2 me too,  i dual boot linux and win95 on my lappy.  it's a 80486 with 24m ram and  356m hd            kiwi ?
[11:14] <home2> I found when installing other linux before ubuntu it messes up the Boot loader, so Ubuntu Always has to be setup last
[11:14] <intelikey> err 256m hd
[11:14] <liable> new zullander...
[11:14] <GTroy> intelikey: that's crazy old
[11:15] <intelikey> GTroy yeah.  i  installed both via floppy disks
[11:15] <Chillien> argh, I am so confused
[11:15] <variant> Chillien: just run mkreiserfs /dev/hdd1
[11:15] <home2> Does anyone know wether or not the I686 is Better than the i386 I've ran both and cant tell the difference
[11:15] <GTroy> home2: slight difference
[11:15] <Chillien> haeheahae: Failed to open '/dev/hdd1': Permission denied.
[11:15] <GTroy> hardly noticable though
[11:15] <variant> Chillien: try it as root
[11:16] <Chillien> root?
[11:16] <intelikey> home2 only if you need i686 for some driver or app.
[11:16] <variant> sudo mkreiserfs /dev/hdd1
[11:16] <intelikey> !root
[11:16] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[11:16] <AngryElf> how do i do "for j-1 in /foo" etc...
[11:16] <intelikey> !sudo
[11:16] <ubotu> sudo is, like, totally, a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[11:16] <Chillien> It is doing something now at least
[11:16] <variant> i really hate sudo.. but its good for new users i guess
[11:17] <Chillien> ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/hdd1.
[11:17] <home2> How many people here run there Ubuntu off there laptop
[11:17] <variant> Chillien: now you can mount the partition.. add it to fstab to make it always mount
[11:17] <rob> home2, I do
[11:17] <intelikey> AngryElf     for  this in `ls -1 dir`  ;do echo $this ;done    <--- that is the syntax.
[11:17] <Chillien> IT said I had to RS
[11:17] <variant> Chillien: rs?
[11:17] <Chillien> isnt there a way to fast restart?
[11:18] <NiklasH_work> ok, anyone know what has happened to se.archive.ubuntu.com? All the files seem to have gone
[11:18] <home2> I need help with My Wireless Card For going wireless at hotspots...to get it to be recognized...
[11:18] <Chillien> fstab?
[11:18] <YukiCuss> NiklasH_work, are you using dapper?
[11:18] <variant> Chillien: you dont need to, only if you fdisked it
[11:18] <NiklasH_work> yep
[11:18] <YukiCuss> The Dapper mirrors often go down, and are unstable.
[11:18] <variant> Chillien: just type mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt
[11:18] <intelikey> the    `ls -1 dir`    would be executed and all the information it returned would then be ran in the echo command one line at a time.
[11:18] <YukiCuss> Due to people updating them.
[11:18] <home2> Ubuntu can't run it yet
[11:18] <Chillien> Well, ok, but the program told me to rs the comp
[11:18] <variant> home2: what card is it?
[11:18] <NiklasH_work> but when i look at the archive, there are no files at all there
[11:18] <variant> Chillien: yeah, ignore that
[11:18] <home2> I need it to Run it...a Belkin
[11:18] <Tapiwanashe> hello
[11:18] <YukiCuss> NiklasH_work, it does happen.
[11:19] <Chillien> should i do "sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt" or just "mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt"?
[11:19] <home2> 802.11
[11:19] <NiklasH_work> that even the breezy files disappear?
[11:19] <YukiCuss> NiklasH_work, consider adding archive.ubuntu.com as a mirror for dapper, until it's released, or just wait until it gets files again.
[11:19] <variant> Chillien: it says "if you modified dos partitons you need to reboot adfter fdisk" you didnt do that so you dont need to
[11:19] <AngryElf> intelikey, I've got it working, except that "for j in blah" is running one too many times which produces a dead link........so i want to run it j-1 times.......but when i do "for j-1 blah" it says j-1 isn't a proper identifier
[11:19] <YukiCuss> NiklasH_work, ooooh...
[11:19] <YukiCuss> ..well!
[11:19] <variant> Chillien: sudo
[11:19] <YukiCuss> NiklasH_work, I stand mistaken and corrected. :)
[11:19] <NiklasH_work> :)
[11:19] <variant> Chillien: the better way is to set up the partition in /etc/fstab
[11:19] <Chillien> if it wasnt for this IRC channel I would have given up
[11:19] <NiklasH_work> ok, i'll just use archive.ubuntu.com in the meantime.
[11:19] <intelikey> this is NOT micro-$oft reboot windows.
[11:20] <intelikey> AngryElf j-1  or j -1    ?
[11:20] <AngryElf> j-1
[11:20] <AngryElf> white space?
[11:20] <Chillien> lol
[11:20] <sethk> AngryElf, j-1 is an expression, not an identifier
[11:20] <sethk> AngryElf, it isn't a variable in the sense of an integer in a programming language
[11:21] <sethk> AngryElf, usually when you are having this sort of problem, you've chosen the wrong language
[11:21] <Chillien> Nothing different..
[11:22] <NiklasH_work> damn, archive.ubuntu.com is SLOOOWWWW....
[11:22] <YukiCuss> NiklasH_work, depends where you live, I suppose. For me, too. :)
[11:22] <Chillien> and why is there a hdd1 under  computer:///
[11:22] <Chillien> and I cant access it
[11:22] <K2man> Great ubuntu upgrade to day - faster gnome - less memory used in desktop.  Brilliant.
[11:22] <NiklasH_work> yeah, hope se.archive... gets on its feet again soon
[11:22] <variant> Chillien: just ubuntu/gnome trying to make things easy and failing
[11:22] <sethk> Chillien, you could have done this at least 20 times by now if you didn't keep trying to find an "easier" way
[11:23] <Chillien> is there a way in going back?
[11:23] <variant> Chillien: go back to where?
[11:23] <K2man> ok tony - I get it.
[11:23] <Chillien> I dunno, to when I installed this damn thing
[11:23] <variant> Chillien: in gnome add a panel applet called disk mounter.. its pretty good
[11:24] <variant> Chillien: whats the problem?
[11:24] <Chillien> its all messed up, the hdd1, it thinks its the primary I want to mount not the free 250GB one
[11:24] <Chillien> so I cant do anything, of course
[11:25] <sethk> Chillien, what thinks what is "the primary?"  your disk has 1 to 4 primary partitions.
[11:25] <variant> huh? you mount whatever you want.. dont use teh file manager that will never work right
[11:25] <sethk> Chillien, if you've changed the partition type, now all you need to do is:   mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd1
[11:25] <variant> Chillien: mkdir /media/hdd1
[11:26] <Chillien> I have my 80 B which I installed ubuntu on
[11:26] <Chillien> which is "Primary" i guess
[11:26] <variant> Chillien: sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /media/hdd1
[11:26] <variant> Chillien: then you can put files in /media/hdd1 which will be stored on that filesystem
[11:26] <sethk> Chillien, I think you are confusing primary/secondary IDE with primary/extended partition.  The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
[11:26] <jax0m> who knows anything about wireless?
[11:27] <sethk> jax0m, I know it's a PITA  :)
[11:27] <jax0m> heh
[11:27] <sethk> jax0m, you'll have better luck if you ask a specific question
[11:27] <kameron> if i want to sort through a list of files and show files that do not contain a certain string, how would i do this?
[11:27] <sethk> kameron, grep -v string filenames
[11:28] <sethk> kameron, sorry, I forgot -l
[11:28] <sethk> kameron, grep -l -v string filenames
[11:28] <sethk> kameron, is in:  grep -l -v xyz abc*
 I have my 80 B which I installed ubuntu on  <Chillien> which is "Primary" i guess  <--- if it's not  you have already messed the install.  but if i standunder you.  that is not the case.   primary hd  will be  /dev/hda   and from what i've seen you havent tuched that yet.
[11:28] <sethk> kameron, the -l says list files, don't show strings, and the -v says invert the sense, meaning files without string
[11:29] <sethk> Chillien, intelikey is correct.  by virtue of it being hdd, it is secondary slave
[11:29] <kameron> sethk, thanks a lot manggggg
[11:30] <sethk> Chillien, primary/second master/slave, for ide drives, is a function of how they are cabled and jumpered.  nothing you can do in software has any effect on that.
[11:30] <sethk> Chillien, well, grub sort of tries to fake out an effect, but don't worry about that  :)
[11:31] <onesandzeros> guys... have any of you used the install-via-Knoppix method?  I'm looking at the wiki page here, and it doesn't look like a problem, except for one thing--I want to install Kubuntu.  Will I run into trouble here?
[11:31] <JDahl> dmesg gives me alot of "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)".. is there a good reason to boot with apic, or should I should remove it in grub with pci=noacpi?
[11:31] <intelikey> onesandzeros shouldn't.
[11:32] <shukhrat> does ubuntu have pdfmaker program like Adobe acrobat professional? thanks!
[11:32] <oskude> onesandzeros, kubuntu is "just" "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" in a normal ubuntu...
[11:32] <AngryElf> if anyone is interested in my noob-like ability to write shell scripts......http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10966  ...it works now
[11:32] <onesandzeros> intelikey, oskude : ok, thanks.  I'll see how it goes...
[11:32] <NiklasH_work> shukhrat: openoffice can save files av pdf
[11:32] <NiklasH_work> shukhrat: don't know if that's what you want, though... :)
[11:34] <shukhrat> Niklash_work: i want save my Gimp's projects in PDF
[11:34] <sethk> AngryElf, good.  when you have some time look into python as an alternative for this sort of thing
[11:35] <sethk> onesandzeros, not really, you can install ubuntu and then install the KDE desktop.
[11:35] <sethk> onesandzeros, it is much much much much easier to install ubuntu with the ubuntu installer.
[11:35] <sethk> onesandzeros, why you would do it any other way is mystifying
[11:36] <onesandzeros> sethk, switching to kdm from gdm won't take much wil it?
[11:36] <onesandzeros> yeah....
[11:36] <onesandzeros> I have a cd here, but something's wrong with it.  Maybe I'll just download another one
[11:36] <sethk> onesandzeros, no, switching to kdm isn't a problem, although it also doesn't buy you anything.
[11:36] <sethk> onesandzeros, yes, download another cd.  it will take a while but your install will be a snap
[11:37] <oskude> shukhrat, pdf is no image format, but it can contain images, so maybe save your image in gimp, and then open it in openoffice and save as pdf (but i think there are allso command line tools to make this, or a python script for gimp...)
[11:38] <shukhrat> oskude: first in Gimp then openoffice then PDF ? no it's way long ? can jimp convert files to PDF ?
[11:39] <chillien_>  /cry
[11:40] <oskude> shukhrat, dunno, as i said, pdf is no image format, so i cant understand why you do this... try the gimp homepage to see if there are any pdf plugins/scripts (or google)
[11:41] <onesandzeros> sethk, I'm only seeing dvd torrents on torrent.ubuntu.org.  Are cd torrents out there?
[11:41] <shukhrat> oskude: Thanks
[11:42] <sethk> onesandzeros, I imagine, but I just use straight downloads, I haven't used the torrents with ubuntu
[11:43] <chillien_> Can I send my screenshot to someone so that they can check what the f*** is worng with this thing?
[11:43] <jeddy3> onesandzeros, ordinary cd torrents is on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <chillien_> please!?
[11:45] <intelikey> chillien_ sure.
[11:45] <chillien_> n1
[11:46] <chillien_> are u getting the file because u never accept?
[11:46] <intelikey> i don't see any offer.
[11:46] <user_> hello
[11:46] <chillien_> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!
[11:46] <chillien_> great...
[11:46] <^Odd^> anyone here a hardware geek? and good with ubuntu? i have a question
[11:46] <user_> hello
[11:47] <chillien_> hello...lol
[11:47] <chillien_> intelikely, msn?
[11:47] <intelikey> bitchx
[11:47] <intelikey> !ask
[11:48] <user_> yeah
[11:48] <jeddy3> ^Odd^, shoot
[11:49] <chillien_>   /CRY!
[11:49] <chillien_> Why do I have to regg to send private msgs
[11:50] <intelikey> wb
[11:51] <^Odd^> jeddy3, ok my problem started when i ran a dmesg and discoverd that with my last few recent installs that the agp bus was not functioning as it should all support for 3d was busted and the "vesa" drivers did not work....then i messed with the bios reinstalled ubuntu and discoverd that now the agp bus was detected and does kinda seem to be working but it seems that something is still lagging the hell outta it.....if you cover glx gears
[11:51] <^Odd^>  with something like another app windows my fps is normal but if the gears are showing then >.< any ideas?
[11:51] <^Odd^> whoa sorry for long post >.<
[11:51] <^Odd^> diden't mean to flood
[11:51] <bimberi> chillien_: you can pastebin a screenshot to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:52] <intelikey> -:- DCC Priveleged port attempt [0]  <--- Chillien ahh that wont work.
[11:52] <Chillien> god..
[11:52] <Chillien> why is everything so complicated?
[11:52] <ob> I have a problem running dapper. i can't figure out if it's a dapper config-error or xorg error. I run dualhead setup, and when the monitors goes into standby-mode, they just blank. And I need to restart my computer holding the powerbutton for 5 secs.
[11:52] <^Odd^> Chillien, are you new to ubuntu and a previous windoze user
[11:52] <^Odd^> ?
[11:52] <intelikey> because you have never seen a computer before.
[11:52] <skypa> greetings
[11:53] <jeddy3> ^Odd^, what kind of card do you have, and are you sure dri is enabled?
[11:53] <Chillien> previous Windows user
[11:53] <Chillien> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i10967
[11:53] <JackAce> hi
[11:54] <^Odd^> jeddy3, i have a VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11DDR [GeForce2 MX 100 DDR/200 DDR]  (rev b2)
[11:54] <^Odd^> ....now i know it dosen't seem like much but in windoze it kicks arse in games and it used to in ubuntu till something changed.
[11:54] <intelikey> well actually that is close to true.   every thing you learned in windows it copy righted patened and restricted.   (thank you M$)  so every thing you learned there is useless here.   it is as if you have never seen a computer before.
[11:55] <Chillien> omg... now thats cool to hear
[11:55] <^Odd^> yea but once you get used to it it rocks and you might even start to hate windoze
[11:55] <Chillien> but any idea on the screenshot?
[11:55] <skypa> guys, what do I have to do to get usplash showing apart from installing the package?
[11:55] <^Odd^> jeddy3 you get that?
[11:56] <JackAce> I'm having a NAT problem: I'm behing ISP NAT, how do I use Socat to bypass it, say to get some incoming connections on BitTorrennt?  tried some commands but it didnt work....
[11:56] <variant> Chillien: that shows that you have a windows ntfs partition on /dev/hdd1 however we formated it as reiserfs so that is no longer true
[11:56] <Chillien> So I should just give up and become a salve for win again?
[11:56] <^Odd^> NO!
[11:56] <jeddy3> ^Odd^, sorry, i'm no good at nvidia so i don't know if i can help...users tend to have _less_ problem with nvidia though =)
[11:56] <^Odd^> yea iknow XD
[11:56] <Chillien> Well I have now spent about 10 hours just to mount a fucking drive
[11:56] <JackAce> BTW, if there is a dedicated Socat channel I will ask there (if there is, it's not called #socat anyway)
[11:57] <fish> irc://irc.QcNet.org/warezfrancais
[11:57] <fish> oopx
[11:57] <fish> *s
[11:57] <variant> Chillien: which disk are you trying to mount hdd1 or hda1?
[11:57] <Buffy_BITCH> hagga
[11:57] <jeddy3> ^Odd^, you have installed and confirmed drivers and everythings like that?
[11:57] <variant> Chillien: from that screenshot its not clear which one your trying to mount
[11:57] <Chillien> I dunno... I have one 80GB which ubuntu installed itself on, then I have a 250GB one which I have no idea what to do with
[11:57] <^Odd^> Chillien, you need to have patience man.....i am haveing a mystry agp buss issue but as i take my time and go over my work mistakes become clear and things start working as they should ^_^
[11:57] <variant> Chillien: if you had done what i said int he first place this wouldnt be happening
[11:58] <Chillien> I did what people said
[11:58] <^Odd^> jeddy3 yes i have the nvidia-glx drivers and have made sure that the changes to xorg.conf have been made
[11:58] <variant> Chillien: type sudo fdisk -l
[11:58] <variant> that will tell you what disk is what partition etc
[11:59] <jeddy3> ^Odd^, and "glxinfo | grep -i opengl" says?
[11:59] <^Odd^> Chillien, that may be true but there are lots of factors involved also be aware that linux is syntax sencitive
[11:59] <jeddy3> vendor string?
[11:59] <Chillien> I am just gonna post screenshot from now on
[11:59] <^Odd^> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[11:59] <^Odd^> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce2 MX/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
[11:59] <^Odd^> OpenGL version string: 1.5.3 NVIDIA 76.67
[11:59] <^Odd^> damnit
[12:00] <Chillien> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i10968
[12:00] <^Odd^> *sigh* sorry guys been up for 24hrs+ trying to fix this issue with my agp
[12:00] <sethk> variant, he needs sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd
[12:00] <sethk> variant, if we are still taking about hdd
[12:00] <variant> sethk: he doesnt know which disk he is talking about
[12:01] <jeddy3> ^Odd^, should work fine, afaik, but then again i don't have a nvidia card
[12:01] <^Odd^> jeddy3, the opengl extensions list is not showing anything
[12:01] <sethk> variant, well, ok ....  :)
[12:01] <jeddy3> ^Odd^, don't think they need to
[12:01] <^Odd^> OpenGL version string: 1.5.3 NVIDIA 76.67
[12:01] <^Odd^> OpenGL extensions:
[12:01] <^Odd^> shane@FoamY:~$
[12:01] <^Odd^> see nothing there
[12:01] <Chillien> I just want to mount the damn 250gb and use as storage...TT
[12:02] <sethk> ^Odd^, is that text from /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[12:02] <^Odd^> Chillien, calm down man we will get it worked out
[12:02] <^Odd^> no that is from a command
[12:02] <variant> Chillien: sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt
[12:02] <jeddy3> ^Odd^, no, but it's cut with grep...if you look at whole glxinfo output it's there
[12:02] <variant> Chillien: put what you want to store in /mnt
[12:02] <^Odd^> sethk, glxinfo | grep -i opengl
[12:02] <Chillien> at least the support here is super compared to others where u actually pay
[12:02] <variant> Chillien: add it to fstab with "users" option to allow access from non root users
[12:03] <intelikey> Chillien from what the screen shot looks like to me.  you also messed the partition type on /dev/hda1  to 82 rather than 83  it's calling it swap now.  mounted on /    that's an issue.     now before i confues you any more, let sethk or who ever it is helping you finish helping.
[12:03] <Chillien> do I need to add anything to the command:sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt
[12:03] <JackAce> he he.. I got my mother to switch to Linux, at the age of 65. she tried Ubuntu and toght it wasnt so diffiult to use after all, and she is feels good about not having to give any money to the richest man on earth, feels good to use a computer without supporting monopolystic big corps and stuff like that. You dont hear many 70 year old ladies talking like that (not many of them using computers in the first place)
[12:03] <sethk> ^Odd^, the place to look is /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  you will see the modules load, or you will see a message telling you why it didn't load
[12:03] <JackAce> but anyway
[12:03] <variant> Chillien: no
[12:03] <JackAce> I was here to ask about Socat
[12:03] <jeddy3> JackAce, haha nice =)
[12:03] <variant> Chillien: that will mount it so taht only root can write to that disk.
[12:04] <sethk> Chillien, that will work.  /mnt/something is better; but for now it is ok
[12:04] <^Odd^> sethk thank you
[12:04] <variant> Chillien: if you want your user account to be able to do it then you should add the partition to /etc/fstab
[12:04] <JackAce> Anyone knows how to get incoming connections despite ISP NAT?
[12:04] <Chillien> hmm, so I did sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt it thought for a while and then I could eneter a new command
[12:04] <variant> Chillien: just copy one of the existing lines making sure that you have auto,rw,users in the options line
[12:04] <variant> Chillien: thats it mounted
[12:04] <variant> Chillien: you can now add files to /mnt (only as root though)
[12:05] <Chillien> after that, I write :/mnt/stuff?
[12:05] <jeddy3> JackAce, but often it seems that people with less computer experience tend to do great with linux...as opposed to those with windows habits
[12:05] <JackAce> woah I typed mom's age wrong -twice! that's 67 (like if someone cares, ok...)
[12:06] <Chillien> I dont want to continue after typing in  sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt   cause I just know I will do something wrong
[12:06] <intelikey> JackAce dito that.  put my mother on mdk 10   cause i got tired of fixing her M$ crap all the time.   that was a year ago when she turned 64  i'v had to take the printer off pause is the only thing she has called me for sense.
[12:07] <JackAce> jeddy3 I used windows myself for years, I started thinking about linux like 2-3 years ago but I actually did the switch only last november (and it feels like 2 -3 years too late)
[12:07] <YukiCuss> jeddy3, you're absolutely right.
[12:07] <intelikey> jeddy3 prezactly.    thinking you know about windows makes you unable to function on linux....
[12:07] <YukiCuss> jeddy3, you may like to read this, just for fun: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[12:07] <Chillien> variant I dont want to continue after typing in  sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt   cause I just know I will do something wrong
[12:07] <JackAce> one of the biggest problems about linux is that people who never tried or even seen it, are "sure" it difficult to use and for-geeks-only.
[12:08] <variant> Chillien: that just means that the partition has been mounted to /mnt
[12:08] <variant> Chillien: and anything you put in /mnt will be stored on that disk
[12:08] <Chillien> ok...
[12:08] <YukiCuss> JackAce, the trick is to get someone with no experience with computers at all; hopefully they won't know the difference between Linux or Windows, and accept everything as `given' :
[12:08] <Chillien> but thats a silly name?
[12:08] <YukiCuss> :)*
[12:08] <variant> Chillien: type mount on its own to tell you what is mounted where and with what options
[12:09] <variant> Chillien: whats silly?
[12:09] <intelikey> be back in a bit.
[12:09] <Chillien> It is inside a fodler called mnt?
[12:09] <pedrocr> how do I correctly mount a CD with a iso8859-1 encoding for filenames?
[12:09] <variant> Chillien: you can mount anything anywhere so its entirely up to you what its called and where it is
[12:09] <variant> Chillien: kinda yeah
[12:09] <Chillien> lol, how cofusing
[12:09] <variant> pedrocr: mount /dev/cdrom
[12:09] <jeddy3> JackAce, yeah me to...but apart from us who knows computers GOOD, and those who have little experience...the ones who gets problems is the ones that have/think they have some experience...those are the ones who whine about word and photoshop and whatnot :P
[12:10] <variant> pedrocr: the mount command will do what is reuired
[12:10] <Chillien> but I cant find  the fodler /mnt
[12:10] <jeddy3> JackAce, if i'm making any sense =)
[12:10] <variant> Chillien: ls /mnt
[12:10] <JackAce> bad pubblicity. I do promote Ubuntu as a very good first distro, and even offer to install and configure it (on dual boot if requested) "completely free", still no one  inrested so far
[12:10] <variant> Chillien: or ls /
[12:10] <Chillien> nothing happened
[12:10] <variant> Chillien: remember that "/" is right at the top so /mnt is the next down
[12:10] <JackAce> jeddy3 I get it
[12:10] <pedrocr> variant: it's not working
[12:10] <variant> Chillien: thats because its empty
[12:10] <variant> pedrocr: what errror?
[12:10] <pedrocr> variant: no, error, just broken filenames
[12:11] <variant> pedrocr: in what way broken?
[12:11] <jeddy3> JackAce, it's always fun to here experiences like that, anyway =)
[12:11] <pedrocr> variant: in nautilus they appear with ?? in place of accented characters and (Invalid Encoding) at the end
[12:11] <JackAce> it "is" actually like that. I'kinda "advanched user" andf have screwed up my computer way more times than the average cant-do-nothing user
[12:11] <Chillien>   omg, but if I cant find or browse it how the hell would I store stuff in it?
[12:11] <pedrocr> variant: in the shell it's just the ??
[12:11] <variant> pedrocr: if they have a lot of "?" in them its because you dont have support for those characters
[12:12] <Chillien> I found it, but it has to be that name, and is it still   Windows NTFS?
[12:12] <jeddy3> JackAce, thats what makes you learn :)
[12:12] <JackAce> jeddy3 you know anything about how to get past ISP NAT?
[12:12] <sethk> JackAce, really?  I messed up on a first installation, after that I chose expert mode and I've had not a single error over a substantial period of time.
[12:12] <variant> Chillien: in nautilus go up untill you come to / then click on /mnt
[12:12] <ibooij> hi, is anybody here running PostgreSQL server 8.1 on their Ubuntu dapper machine?
[12:12] <pedrocr> variant: no, that's not it, they're just latin1 characters
[12:12] <pitti> ibooij: yes, me, I'm the psql dude for Debian and Ubuntu :)
[12:12] <variant> pedrocr: trust me it is.. nautilus is lacking support in your case
[12:12] <JackAce> jeddy3 yes. I learned virtually everything I know about computer by screwing up stupp
[12:13] <sethk> JackAce, I do, but why do you want to get past it?
[12:13] <ibooij> I'm having trouble installing. package postgresql-common is giving preconfigure errors..
[12:13] <jeddy3> JackAce, sorry no, i have the fredom to configure my own firewall/NAT
[12:13] <pedrocr> variant: I can name filenames with the characters that are not there
[12:13] <Chillien> Variant, so it says 250GB free space, but how do I know that its not Windows NTFS?
[12:13] <pitti> ibooij: yep, I fixed that this morning
[12:13] <variant> Chillien: right click and select properties
[12:13] <pitti> ibooij: try 48ubuntu3
[12:13] <Chillien> variant and there is a hdd1 on / which I cant access bugging the shit out of me
[12:13] <pedrocr> variant: so how can that be?
[12:13] <variant> Chillien: or type mount on the command line and it will list /dev/hdd1 /mnt type etc
[12:14] <variant> Chillien: thats just a folder
[12:14] <ibooij> pitti: I'll have a look at what version I'm trying to instaal
[12:14] <odat> how do i make a script?
[12:14] <variant> Chillien: that you have created
[12:14] <variant> Chillien: you can delete it
[12:14] <Chillien> Variant there is nothing in mnt properties
[12:14] <JackAce> jeddy3 to get incoming connections is the "official" answer, like getting faster BitTorrent and stuff, but the "real" reason is....
[12:14] <variant> Chillien: or its the way nautilus is trying to make things easy for you but only confusing you instead
[12:14] <ibooij> pitti: I see it. My mirror has 48ubuntu2
[12:14] <variant> Chillien: type mount on the cmmand line
[12:14] <pedrocr> variant: got it to work, passing iocharset=utf8 in the comand line
[12:14] <Chillien> ok...
[12:14] <variant> pedrocr: cool
[12:15] <oskude> odat, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[12:15] <pitti> ibooij: yep; dapper version number has recently been changed from 6.04 to 6.06, and p-common stumbled over that (it still expected 6.04)
[12:15] <Chillien> Inside the terminal?
[12:15] <pitti> ibooij: I made that more robust for future changes, too
[12:15] <Chillien> variant Type mount in the terminal?
[12:16] <JackAce> jeddy3 the real reason is that my ISP is a real a***ole; they wont let me port forward: to get incoming connections I have to send a request *and they charge* 4 euros a day (!) or 50 euro-cents an hour (!!) for being accessible from the ouside
[12:16] <variant> Chillien: yes
[12:16] <jeddy3> JackAce, eh?, man that sucks
[12:16] <Chillien> variant /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[12:16] <ibooij> pitti: ok, that figures. Thanks for the help, I appreciate it!
[12:17] <Hirvinen_> JackAce: In which country?
[12:17] <JackAce> jeddy3, so the reason is, that I think they shouldnt be doing that, and I want to be able to get at least a couple of symbolic incomung connections, just to say "I did it, you bastard"
[12:17] <oskude> JackAce, OMG
[12:17] <Chillien> varaint /dev/hdd1 on /mnt type reiserfs (rw)
[12:17] <JackAce> oskude OMG?
[12:18] <variant> Chillien: which one is it?
[12:18] <jeddy3> JackAce, hehe, sounds like a good statement =)...but i don't know ho to help you there...
[12:18] <Chillien> variant /dev/hdd1 on /mnt type reiserfs (rw)
[12:18] <Chillien>  that one
[12:18] <variant> Chillien: oh never mind.. yeah
[12:18] <variant> Chillien: cool.. everything is fine then
[12:18] <pnookster> hiya, i'm trying to compile some C - I keep getting an error that I'm missing /usr/bin/ld
[12:18] <pnookster> but i've installed binutils
[12:18] <Chillien> but, Cant I have the discs as  C and D bla bla
[12:18] <JackAce> jeddy3 I was thinking about Socat. I tried a couple of lines but it didnt really worked (I tested using Azureus)
[12:19] <Chillien> variant that has fun names etc
[12:19] <pnookster> what package am I missing that has ld in it?
[12:19] <variant> Chillien: no, this is not windows.. you can name them whatever you want
[12:19] <Chillien> variant and what about the annyoing hdd1 which is bugging the shit out of me
[12:19] <JackAce> jeddy3 "test using Azureus, I mean I did run Azureus to see if I could get some incoming connections using Socat. Didnt work
[12:19] <variant> Chillien: my friend has disks named big_momma etc
[12:19] <variant> Chillien: where is that ?
[12:20] <Chillien> variant under computer:///
[12:20] <variant> Chillien: thats just nautilus being extreemly gay
[12:20] <Chillien> variant how do I delete it?
[12:20] <variant> Chillien: dunno.. its probably a config option
[12:20] <variant> Chillien: i hate nautilus
[12:21] <Chillien> variant fuck it! how stupid, I hate having folders and stuff I cant modify OR delete
[12:21] <Chillien>   /cry
[12:21] <variant> Chillien: they are really trying to hide the way things really work from users in favour of rubbish like computer:///// which doesnt actualy mean anything or relate to any part of your system. its just confusing
[12:21] <pnookster> varient: what do you think of rox?
[12:22] <pnookster> er..variant. sorry. been up way too long :D
[12:22] <jeddy3> JackAce, yeah i got that...but sorry, i have no experiences of ISP nat/portforwarding
[12:22] <Chillien> variant but u have no idea how to get ridd of it?
[12:22] <variant> pnookster: its ok, not used it for a couple of years though.. has it improved?
[12:22] <pnookster> i dunno.
[12:22] <pnookster> haha.
[12:22] <variant> Chillien: no.. im on a windows box at work so i cant check for you
[12:22] <pnookster> i'm trying to set up fluxbox + fluxspace
[12:22] <variant> pnookster: not a bad idea
[12:22] <pnookster> to try it out
[12:22] <Chillien> variant, I need to reboot, cya
[12:22] <variant> Chillien: later
[12:22] <JackAce> I have gotten Gnome to look better following a HowTo on ubuntuforum.org (dont have the exact URL) title was: stealing kde's eye candy. really worth it
[12:22] <pnookster> i've used fluxbox a bit, but never with fluxspace/rox
[12:23] <Chillien> variant thanks for the help preciate it
[12:23] <variant> im going for my break
[12:23] <variant> later all
[12:23] <JackAce> jeddy3 no problem. maybe you have some idea about a better channel to ask such a quesion? something like less crowded, more port-forward-oriented (?) something like that...
[12:24] <jeddy3> JackAce, no idea :/
[12:24] <JackAce> ok
[12:24] <JackAce> hmmm+
[12:25] <ic56> pnookster: AFAIK, ld should be in binutils.  The package description says so.  Maybe something went wrong during the binutils install?
[12:25] <pnookster> you'd think it would be, considering the desc of the package
[12:25] <pnookster> i found it though, it's in libc6
[12:26] <JackAce> yeah there was another question
[12:26] <Chillien> haehaeh, variant after a reboot I dont have the space inside the folder anymore
[12:26] <pnookster> gah. apparently fluxspace needs x11, not x.org
[12:26] <pnookster> laame
[12:26] <ic56> pnookster: what's the exact path?
[12:26] <Chillien> omg, how retarded, I give up
[12:27] <pnookster>  /usr/bin/ld
[12:27] <JackAce> about a "make" error. Now I have to re-run "make" so I can post the exact output line
[12:27] <pnookster> but like i said, i found it
[12:27] <patrick52222> im having problems with java  does any one no how to get java working other than the restricted format page
[12:27] <pnookster> /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
[12:27] <ic56> pnookster: where did you find it?
[12:27] <pnookster> libc6-dev
[12:28] <ic56> pnookster: where did you find it?  what *path*?
[12:28] <oskude> !build-essential
[12:28] <ubotu> somebody said build-essential was a meta package for software building see !gcc for more info
[12:28] <pnookster> Oh.
[12:28] <Chillien> When a opearting system can make u cry, its bad
[12:28] <pnookster> It's where it's supposed to be now, i just didn't know the package it was in.
[12:28] <sethk> pnookster, it works with both of them
[12:28] <marik_> how do i change the dhcp timeout ?
[12:28] <Aisi> Chillien: getting support over IRC can make one weep. giving can be just as hard :S
[12:28] <pnookster> hmm
[12:29] <marik_> i dont like having to wait so long while booting
[12:29] <Chillien> Well, I cant see a better way. I dont know anyone that uses linux and lives nearby
[12:29] <pnookster> im getting an error on /.config saying it can't find X, though
[12:29] <Chillien> but I must say its not realy user friendly, lol
[12:29] <patrick52222> how do i install java for stuff like limewire