[12:11] <Riddell> \sh_away: amarok 1.3.2!
[12:38] <Tonio> Riddell: are you still searching for goof network configuration tools ?
[12:38] <Tonio> good
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio: always
[12:39] <Tonio> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21832
[12:39] <Tonio> I've packaged it and it waits for revu ;)
[12:39] <Tonio> it works like a charm
[12:39] <Tonio> but only wifi at the moment
[12:40] <Tonio> I think that could a good replacement to kwifimanager that only show informations but doesn't allow any connection
[12:40] <Tonio> don't you ?
[12:41] <Tonio> finallyi'll wait a bit before going to sleep :)*
[12:44] <Riddell> I'd compile it but my processor is busy working on amarok
[12:49] <Tonio> okay ;) it was for information
[12:49] <Tonio> I'll have a look at kdenetworkconf in svn, I hope kde 3.5 will provide a good version of this !
[12:49] <Riddell> I've looked at it before, can't remember what I concluded
[12:55] <Riddell> Tonio: the knetworkconf in breezy is the KDE SVN version pretty much
[12:55] <Tonio> arf ! not a good news ;)
[12:56] <Tonio> I have searched for the source package that is supposed to correct the bug, so I think i'll send an email to aslinux developper'steam
[12:58] <Riddell> and hint that they are allowed to send stuff back to KDE
[01:04] <Tonio> yes I know that, I'll ask them whether it has been done or not
[01:04] <Tonio> Ho I have to post a request for adept too, i forgot that
[01:04] <Tonio> i'll do it tomorrow
[01:07] <Riddell> which request?
[01:15] <apokryphos> There's a README.packagers in the blinken/ -- you should probably check it http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2420
[01:16] <apokryphos> things can take so much longer when there's new apps, or many things change in an app; didn't realise devs can have such a hard time upgrading :P.  Plus, it's gotta be done :)
[01:17] <apokryphos> if betas are packaged I figure it makes it much easier for when final is available
[01:17] <Riddell> apokryphos: this is just beta so no need to get it perfect, take the quick route for now and leave a note in the changelog
[01:17] <apokryphos> ok
[01:21] <Tonio> Riddell: request for saving system state and importing like in synaptic ;)we discuss that last week
[01:21] <Riddell> oh aye
[02:01] <apokryphos> Did a lot, but there's a few little more bits; gonna have to call it a night -- first proper day at University tomorrow :), so gotta be up early. Hopefully I'll be able to finish it all for tomorrow
[02:05] <Riddell> apokryphos: thanks and sleep well
[02:24] <Tonio> Riddell: are you aware of the kubuntu-guidance dependency problem ???
[02:25] <Riddell> Tonio: what's the problem?
[02:25] <Tonio> i get an error : unable tofind library libpython2.4.so
[02:25] <Tonio> while python2.4 is installed.....
[02:25] <Tonio> but there is no libpython2.4.so
[02:25] <Riddell> Tonio: latest breezy?
[02:25] <Tonio> I have a libpython2.4.so.1
[02:26] <Tonio> yep latest breezy and up to date
[02:26] <Tonio> tonio@Kubuntu:~$ locate libpython2.4
[02:26] <Tonio> /usr/lib/libpython2.4.so.1.0
[02:26] <Tonio> /usr/lib/libpython2.4.so.1
[02:26] <Tonio> tonio@Kubuntu:~$
[02:26] <Riddell> Tonio: what are you running to get guidance?
[02:26] <Tonio> that might be issue, where is .so ? ;)
[02:26] <Riddell> it's in python2.4-dev
[02:27] <Tonio> yep, I know, but python2.4-dev isn't in kde-guidance dependancies:)
[02:27] <Tonio> should it depend on it ?
[02:27] <Riddell> I'm going to make it depend on it as a quick fix, but it should be fixed to not need it
[02:27] <Tonio> I'm running from start menu, I have the "parameters" submenu
[02:27] <Riddell> running system settings?
[02:28] <Tonio> let me try with systemsettings....
[02:28] <Riddell> how else do you run?
[02:29] <Tonio> I added the "configuration" submenu in the K menu, and I generally manage from there
[02:29] <Riddell> Tonio: how did you add that?
[02:29] <Tonio> I think in english the menu is labeled "parameters"
[02:29] <Tonio> right click in the bar
[02:29] <Tonio> configure
[02:30] <Tonio> then "menus"
[02:30] <Tonio> and there you can add variety kind of submenus
[02:30] <Tonio> like "search" "quick browser", "parameters" etc...
[02:31] <Tonio> it is by default in kde ;) you never saw taht ?
[02:31] <Tonio> adding this menu is a real cool way to get fast acces to all configuration options ;)
[02:33] <Tonio> Riddell: there are less aplications by default no ? can't see kolourpaint, kgpg etc.... that's better ;)
[02:33] <Tonio> to many tools by default in hoary ;)
[02:33] <Riddell> kgpg was never default, we have krita for graphics
[02:33] <Tonio> kgpg ? according to what I remember I never had to install it.........
[02:34] <Tonio> maybe I added it manually, but I don't remember that, anyway, you know default config better that anyone ;)
[02:34] <Tonio> dd you find that submenu ?
[02:35] <Riddell> naw, 3.5 kicker seems to be broken for that
[02:35] <Riddell> speaking of which, I just announced 3.5 beta http://dot.kde.org/1127343716/
[02:36] <Tonio> this feature doesn't exist in 3.5 '-(
[02:36] <Tonio> dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn
[02:36] <Tonio> Riddell: I'm waiting for 3.5 so much
[02:37] <Tonio> my girlfriend wants me to wait for webcam support or msn to switch  ^^
[02:39] <Tonio> I will not test kde 3.5 beta..... kubuntu unstable with a beta version of kde might be a bit to much for me :)
[02:40] <Riddell> live on the edge
[02:40] <Tonio> Riddell: I can confirm you that about libpython2.4 I get the same error from systemsettings, kcontrol and the parameters submenus
[02:41] <Riddell> but damnit why, ldd shows everything as fine
[02:42] <Tonio> :(
[02:43] <Tonio> I'm gonna learn python this year, with two friend of for a personnal project, and Ican promise you once done, we'll do a good tool to configure network ;) That shouldn't be complicated anyway !
[02:44] <Riddell> I'll remember you said that :)
[02:44] <Tonio> you can ;) I'm not the kind o guy that forgets his promisses
[02:45] <Tonio> I promissed you I'll take the time to learn how to build packages correctly and I've done it ;) still waiting revuing for about 17 packages now...
[02:45] <Tonio> I'll had to other packages tomorrow
[02:45] <Tonio> two
[02:46] <Riddell> Tonio: please poke me into reviewing the packages  (not tonight but soon)
[02:47] <Tonio> okay, I only add kde apps, so indeed you are concerned ;)
[02:47] <Tonio> Riddell: so many people add gnome ones, that I decided to dedicate myself to kde ;)
[02:49] <Tonio> Riddell:  question, where is kftpgraber gone ?
[02:49] <Riddell> Tonio: maybe it's on the old REVU server
[02:49] <Tonio> it was uploaded on revu a few month ago and then dissapered..... I've done another package of 0.7 beta1 that works much better that 0.6
[02:50] <Tonio> anyway concerning everything I uploaded, the only one that might interessed you is certainly "wireless assistant"
[02:51] <Tonio> it is the kind of thing that could replace kwifimanager, much better, really ;)
[02:51] <Tonio> other aps might not interesset you
[02:53] <Tonio> Riddell: do you think we can contribute to adept ??? I'd like to provide the french translation ;)
[02:53] <Tonio> are you in contact with the developper ?
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio: yes I am
[02:55] <allee> Tonio: revu: you pkged wlassistant ;)  See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/wlassistant/trunk/?rev=0&sc=0 wlassistant still needs a final touch. We always welcome a helping hand.
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio: it's in kde's SVN so you would probably have to translate it in the normal KDE way
[02:56] <Tonio> Riddell: okay
[02:57] <Tonio> allee: I'm not a developper so helping will not be possible ;)
[02:57] <Tonio> anyway, i'll continue to package all new version of course ;) but that's all I can do !
[02:58] <allee> Tonio: that debian/ repo.  So 'no' developing, 'only' pkging ;)
[02:58] <Tonio> allee: is the svn version working better ???? I don't have any problems with the actual package. didn't see any bugs ;)
[03:00] <allee> Better?? don't know I use orig.tar + alioth svn checkout of debian/ dir.  pkg builds out of the box here.
[03:03] <allee> About polishing: see http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/wlassistant/trunk/debian/TODO?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[03:03] <Tonio> would you like my source package ?
[03:04] <allee> Yupp.  I'll merge everything
[03:04] <Tonio> i'm sorry but I am up for 42 hours whithout sleeping, I don't understand everything actually lol :)
[03:04] <Tonio> okay let me send it to you just a sec
[03:05] <allee> But in case your interested, it's no big deal to get write access to the repo.  merge dist independent stuff on trunk and ...
[03:05] <Tonio> I didn't add a watch file as it was the initial release for my, not an update
[03:05] <Tonio> allee: not that I don't want to ;)
[03:05] <allee> ubuntu spedific stuff in wlassistant/branches/kubuntu
[03:05] <allee> Tonio: pity :)
[03:06] <Tonio> but I'm packaging for ubuntu, some people would like that I help as a MOTU, I have personnal projects to maintain, and a girlfriend to get married with lol
[03:06] <Tonio> I can send you all packagesyou want, that's not a problem ;)
[03:07] <Tonio> but concerning uploading, I may forget unfortunately ;)
[03:07] <Tonio> I even don't have enought time towork on my website actually.....
[03:08] <Tonio> the other problem is that I don't have a debian based computer to check the packages ;)
[03:09] <allee> Tonio: no problem.
[03:09] <Tonio> yes with pbuilder that might be okay
[03:09] <Tonio> you're right ;)
[03:09] <allee> Tonio: btw I don't have a debian sid host too at the moment
[03:09] <Tonio> allee: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/wlassistant.tar.gz
[03:10] <Tonio> you have all inside
[03:10] <allee> Tonio: In case you pkg anything that's below: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ send me the diff.gz
[03:10] <allee> you can of course check trunk/debian or branches/ubuntu for latest additions
[03:10] <Tonio> okay
[03:11] <allee> Tonio: thx that very kind
[03:11] <Tonio> I may package knemo when upgraded ;)
[03:11] <allee> saves me some time
[03:11] <Tonio> that's normal, if I wouldn't do that for you I would be better in the microsoft's world lol ^^
[03:12] <allee> grep the svn version.  and debuild -i it.  Works perfectly on hoary (not tired breezy yet)
[03:13] <Tonio> I'll try, but maybe tomorrow, I really have to go to sleep... I a an important meeting tomorrow and I start feeling I will get there with very small red eyes lol
[03:14] <Tonio> 43 hours up now.............. damn...........
[03:14] <allee> orig tarballs for the debian/ dirs alioth are at http://pkg-kde.alioth.org/kde-extra/orig.tar.gz/
[03:14] <Riddell> Tonio: go to sleep
[03:14] <allee> ah no knemo tarball.  Uploading ...
[03:14] <Tonio> ah Riddell just let me send him the diff ;)
[03:15] <Tonio> no you're right, my eye don't se much actualy ;)
[03:15] <allee> wget tarball; svn co kde-extra/<pkg>/trunk/debian;  debuild -i; works in breezy/hoary most of the time
[03:15] <allee> Tonio: wait a bit ;)
[03:15] <Tonio> allee:  not possible sorry ;)
[03:16] <Tonio> see ya tomorrow ;)
[03:16] <allee> Tonio: I'll promise there are there tomorrow only waiting for you
[03:16] <allee> nite Tonio
[03:16] <Tonio> ^^ okay, I'll come :)
[03:16] <Tonio> bye guys !
[03:38] <Riddell> aseigo: go on, you can tell us
[03:38] <Riddell> hmm, no
[03:39] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok/ amarok 1.3.2 testers wanted
[05:23] <seth_k> yay, /me yoinks amarok debs
[07:38] <amu> moin
[08:19] <\sh> Riddell: can't we get around this stupid .so problem without depending on python-dev for pykdeextensions?
[08:46] <amu> who needs pykdeextensions, just drop the package  :D
[09:57] <verwilst> Riddell: hello!
[10:19] <\sh> amu: no ways :) it's the only method to write kcm modules in python ;)
[11:19] <hunger> Riddell: Just tried speedcrunch... it is way to strange for normal users IMHO.
[11:20] <hunger> Riddell: and it can not do half the stuff kcalc does (like converting between hex and dec, etc).
[11:21] <hunger> Riddell: Could we please get kcalc back in kubuntu-devel?
[11:21] <hunger> Riddell: Plus speedcrunch has no help.
[11:31] <amu> \sh: ehuh
[11:32] <amu> so cool. got such a new minimac for my desk
[11:37] <Riddell> \sh: I'm sure we can but I've no idea how
[11:37] <Riddell> \sh: I did try fixing the libtool install path but it didn't make any difference
[11:46] <verwilst> Riddell: probs creating the debs?
[11:56] <\sh> amu: send me one ;)
[11:56] <\sh> Riddell: will check this evening how to fix this issue
[12:15] <hunger> Riddell: How about using abakus instad of speedcrunch? (http://grammarian.homelinux.net/abakus/) That has KDE integration.
[02:02] <elvirolo> hi all
[02:02] <elvirolo> are there any plans about making packages for _all_ of kde 3.5 beta 1 ?
[02:02] <apokryphos> already told you... but anyway :)
[02:03] <verwilst> hehe
[02:04] <elvirolo> just to know if they had more info :)
[03:18] <apokryphos> hm, kgeography has no xpm for the menu entry. What to do?
[04:22] <author> Hi guys.. who is the responsible person of the kubuntu forums?
[04:24] <apokryphos> eh?
[04:25] <apokryphos> Ubuntuforums provide their own moderators for the Kubuntu forum, I believe; one of which might be in #ubuntuforums
[04:26] <author> http://kubuntuforums.net/ -> http://www.kubuntu.org/ [News]
[04:26] <author> apokryphos: this forum i meant ;)
[04:27] <apokryphos> ah, hadn't seen that before. Kubuntu.org is of course owned by the kubuntu devs; kubuntuforums is third-party, I'm reasonably sure
[04:28] <author> mhm i think its offical?
[04:52] <jjesse> semi offical author
[04:53] <author> ah
[04:53] <apokryphos> jjesse: who runs it?
[04:54] <jjesse> apokryphos: i don't know, but i know there is some discusion scheduled for the community council meeting
[04:54] <apokryphos> jjesse: oh; when's the next?
[04:54] <jjesse> apokryphos:  Sep 27th 2005 at 20:00 UTC
[04:54] <apokryphos> but ergh, phpBB can be real ugly :P
[04:54] <jjesse> i'm going to do my best to be there this time
[04:55] <apokryphos> missed the last one too? Slacker 8)
[04:55] <author> but i mean on the kubuntu website was the text "kubuntu use the infratructur and support from ubuntu".. and now this text is not on the website..
[04:56] <apokryphos> aha, a news article posted on it (on kubuntu.org)
[05:04] <author> apokryphos: sorry my english..
[05:06] <apokryphos> you meant that earlier? Oh ok.
[05:09] <author> exactly, in former times the website stood on
[09:18] <Riddell> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[09:18] <Riddell> (not announced yet or something)
[09:20] <Tm_T> soo, new place to dump ubuntu-nonrelated stuff from community ;)
[09:20] <Tm_T> I think it's good thing though
[09:24] <amu> Riddell: my upload failed last night, i'll reup it tonight
[09:24] <Riddell> amu: yeah, I saw that :(
[09:24] <Riddell> rsync is your friend
[09:24] <amu> sure :)
[09:38] <elvirolo> hi all ...
[09:39] <elvirolo> does anyone know if musicbrainz support for mp3's in amarok is planned ?
[09:40] <Riddell> elvirolo: it's not really possible, linking musicbrains against libmad means we would have to have libmad on the CD and the lawyers don't like that
[09:40] <elvirolo> i see
[09:40] <elvirolo> so i have to recompile it ?
[09:43] <Riddell> elvirolo: you need to recompile libtunepimp, add libmad to the build-depends in debian/control and run debuild
[09:44] <elvirolo> ok, I need to RTFM to do all that
[09:44] <elvirolo> BTW, great KDE packages :)
[09:45] <Riddell> libmad-dev that should be
[09:45] <_tonio> hi all
[09:46] <Riddell> hi _tonio
[09:46] <Riddell> anyone tested amarok 1.3.2 http://kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok/
[09:46] <Riddell> ?
[09:46] <_tonio> hi Riddell  -> I'm gonna do it
[09:47] <_tonio> let me on minute ;)
[09:47] <\sh> Riddell: amarok-1.3.2?
[09:47] <\sh> new?
[09:47] <\sh> oh no
[09:47] <Riddell> \sh: oh yes
[09:47] <Riddell> with alsasink
[09:47] <\sh> fck
[09:48] <_tonio> Riddell: do you know this service menu -> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[09:48] <Riddell> been on pause here last night and doesn't seem to have memory leaked
[09:48] <_tonio> should be nice to have it in kubuntu for complete newbies no ?
[09:48] <_tonio> I tested with my girlfriend, and dpkg seems to hard for her lol ^
[09:49] <_tonio> you even can make a right click on a weblink poiting to a deb ;) that's nice ;)
[09:49] <Riddell> _tonio: yes, been meaning to look at that.  thanks for reminding me
[09:50] <Riddell> hmm, do we want people to be able to install stuff from the web I wonder
[09:51] <_tonio> that's the question ;)
[09:51] <_tonio> I think when kubuntu will have more kde apps packages it might not be necessary, but at the moment, it can unfortunately I think....
[09:54] <_tonio> Riddell: first good point -> alsalink ;)
[09:54] <_tonio> 2nd good point, artsdlink works nice ;)
[09:55] <_tonio> only strange thing is that package appears as "broken" in synaptic.....
[09:55] <_tonio> strage !
[09:55] <_tonio> strange
[09:58] <Riddell> _tonio: there's no deb source, just download and dpkg --install
[09:59] <_tonio> I know, that's what I've done, but normally they appear as "locally installed package"
[10:01] <_tonio> Riddell: it is a problem with the version kdelibs4c2
[10:01] <_tonio>  amarok-gstreamer dpend de kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.91); cependant:
[10:01] <_tonio>   La version de kdelibs4c2 sur le systme est 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu4.
[10:02] <Riddell> _tonio: ah fooey, I packagead with kde 3.5 beta 1 installed
[10:02] <_tonio> appart from that, everything is fine, and really better that 1.3.1
[10:02] <_tonio> yep
[10:02] <Riddell> now we just need to persuade mdz to let it in
[10:02] <_tonio> mdz ? wo is he ?
[10:03] <Riddell> the ubuntu distro master
[10:03] <Riddell> his approval is needed for upstream version changes this late in the release cycle
[10:05] <_tonio> ah........ because itr is in main and not universe of course :)
[10:06] <_tonio> well letting the old crapping version would be a sad thing, really ;) but og course he should have so many things to get out.....
[10:09] <\sh> Riddell: u put khelpcenter in suggests?
[10:10] <Riddell> \sh: I think I just copied your one for that
[10:10] <\sh> Riddell: ok..u ask mdz or should I?
[10:11] <Riddell> \sh: have you tested it?
[10:11] <\sh> Riddell: no..I'm doing it just now..compiling it
[10:11] <\sh> just have to fix this bloody apt-file thingy
[10:11] <Riddell> apt-file thingy?
[10:12] <elvirolo> hum
[10:12] <elvirolo> i just noticed that amarok constantly uses up > 70 % CPU here...
[10:12] <\sh> apt-file package
[10:13] <Riddell> elvirolo: which version?
[10:13] <\sh> Riddell: but if you say, it's ok..and you don't see any memleak..I'll trust u in those things more then I trust me ;)
[10:13] <elvirolo> Riddell: 1.3 with both gst & xine
[10:13] <\sh> woot?
[10:13] <Riddell> \sh: well dunno, it's been on pause, maybe if it's on play for ages it gets worse
[10:14] <Riddell> elvirolo: which 1.3?
[10:14] <\sh> Riddell: I'll test just now after compiling
[10:15] <\sh> Riddell: u mixed the changelog
[10:15] <elvirolo> Riddell: 1.3.1
[10:15] <amu> Riddell: upload complete
[10:15] <amu> 59aa34f1e6a84d6669310150181480ad  kubuntu-hoary-live-i386.iso
[10:15] <\sh> Riddell: the version history is not in order as it should be ;)
[10:16] <Riddell> elvirolo: please give 1.3.2 a try  http://kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok/
[10:16] <Riddell> \sh: in the changelog?
[10:16] <elvirolo> Riddell: ok
[10:16] <\sh> Riddell: yepp
[10:17] <Riddell> elvirolo: let us know how you get on
[10:17] <elvirolo> sure
[10:17] <Riddell> amu: downloading
[10:18] <Riddell> \sh: what did I do wrong?
[10:18] <\sh> amarok (2:1.3.1-0ubuntu2) breezy; urgency=low
[10:18] <\sh> this was my entry
[10:18] <\sh> amarok (1.3.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
[10:19] <\sh> comes after 2:1.3.1 and not as a newer version ;)
[10:20] <\sh> 1.3.2-1 -> 1.3.1-2 -> 1.3.1-1 -> 1.3.0-1 -> 2:1.3.1
[10:20] <\sh> 1.3.2-1 -> 1.3.1-2 -> 2:1.3.1-ubuntu -> 1.3.0-1 ... this is the correct order, is it?
[10:21] <\sh> Riddell: i can sort it out
[10:25] <Riddell> I wonder if we should have a tunepimp-mp3 and musicbrainz-mp3 in universe
[10:26] <Riddell> lots of people are missing their musicbrainz
[10:26] <elvirolo> hum
[10:26] <elvirolo> same prob for amarok 1.3.2
[10:27] <Riddell> elvirolo: what do you do to get the problem?
[10:28] <elvirolo> elvirolo: just play a mp3
[10:29] <Riddell> elvirolo: what engine?
[10:30] <elvirolo> both gst and xine
[10:30] <Riddell> elvirolo: which output?
[10:30] <elvirolo> same for ogg's in fact
[10:30] <Riddell> osssink or alsasink?
[10:30] <elvirolo> alsa
[10:31] <Riddell> elvirolo: any paticular mp3 or all of them?
[10:31] <elvirolo> all of them
[10:31] <elvirolo> mp3's, ogg's, mpc's ...
[10:31] <Riddell> strange
[10:31] <_tonio> lu;)
[10:31] <\sh> give me a bit time..I'll check it as well :)
[10:32] <elvirolo> wow, it gets up to 90 %
[10:34] <elvirolo> i'm going to bed
[10:34] <elvirolo> thanks for your help
[10:34] <elvirolo> good night (or whatever)
[10:44] <\sh>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[10:44] <\sh>  7001 shermann  15   0 50872  21m 7920 S 13.9  4.4   1:34.13 gnome-terminal
[10:44] <\sh> 18691 shermann  15   0  119m  42m  22m S 11.6  8.4   0:06.82 amarokapp
[10:45] <Riddell> :)
[10:46] <Riddell> that's why we have konsole
[10:46] <\sh> looks ok..for xine and gstreamer
[10:46] <\sh> ehe..evolution and xorg are eating between 34m and 40m ,-)
[10:47] <\sh> so what the hell ,-)
[10:47] <\sh> 512m have to be filled up...and the gig swap too ,-)
[10:49] <\sh> amarok has now a pretty volume control
[10:49] <\sh> did u see it?
[10:49] <Riddell> I like it
[10:50] <\sh> yeah
[10:50] <\sh> I think it's not more broken then 1.3.1 ;) so let's go for it
[10:50] <Riddell> the track counter slider still not that great
[10:50] <\sh> yeah...they will fix it in 1.4 ;)
[10:52] <\sh> will u ask mdz?
[10:53] <Riddell> ok
[10:53] <\sh> then he will all the bugs back to u ;)..
[10:54] <\sh> btw...do u have a general kubuntu bugs list or address which can hold 2 or more email address to forward all the bugs assigned to "kubuntu-bugs@bla"?
[10:54] <Riddell> \sh: not sure what you mean
[10:55] <\sh> Riddell: all the kde bugs are assigned to you...a more common email address like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or something would help to forward the bugs to a team
[10:55] <Riddell> \sh: there's the kubuntu-bugs@ mailing list
[10:59] <Riddell> \sh: can you send that to me too?
[10:59] <\sh> sure
[11:00] <\sh> send
[11:02] <\sh> hmmm
[11:02] <\sh> it consumes actually 8 Megs more then 1.3.1
[11:10] <\sh> but it's nicer on the cpu usage actually
[11:10] <\sh> can be that elvirolo had beagle running
[11:10] <Riddell> why would that effect amarok?
[11:11] <\sh> it would affect memory consumption and cpu utilisation
[11:12] <Riddell> of amarok?
[11:12] <\sh> Riddell: he never mentioned amarok itself ;)
[11:13] <\sh> top - 23:13:17 up  5:01,  4 users,  load average: 0.49, 0.56, 0.71
[11:13] <\sh> Tasks: 114 total,   1 running, 113 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[11:13] <\sh> Cpu0  : 24.4% us,  1.9% sy,  0.0% ni, 73.6% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
[11:13] <\sh> Mem:    516364k total,   510608k used,     5756k free,     6628k buffers
[11:13] <\sh> Swap:   979956k total,    92616k used,   887340k free,   228532k cached
[11:13] <\sh> Riddell: I honestly don't know where he looked at...
[11:14] <\sh> and evolution eats more cpu time then amarok when it starts to check for mail on imap servers ...
[12:02] <\sh> ok...amarok 1.3.2 looks ok for me :)


 WINE is copying DLLs from Windows! w32codecs is needed, don't tell us we can't talk about it! don't diss ubuntuguide if you don't have a replacement that does the same thing!"
[12:44] <tseng> SloMo_: did you build in pbuilder? the build deps look a bit slim
[12:44] <SloMo_> tseng: but this is something for universe i think... licence is bsd-style
[12:44] <SloMo_> tseng: yes it built in breezy pbuilder
[12:44] <tseng> yep, definately universe
[12:44] <tseng> k
[12:44] <bddebian> Amaranth: Take a break from #ubuntu ;-)
[12:45] <SloMo_> tseng: can we have the gst plugin in gst-plugins-multiverse or is it a case for the normal gst-plugins package?
[12:45] <Amaranth> bddebian: I'm supposed to be running the channel. :)
[12:45] <bddebian> Oh well that wouldnt be good then :-)
[12:45] <tseng> SloMo_: it can be in in the multiverse one isnt bad
[12:45] <tseng> SloMo_: we need multiverse for the other ones.. faad and faac
[12:45] <tseng> and lame
[12:46] <SloMo_> yes i know... and a -universe package seems overkill just for one plugin ;)
[12:46] <tseng> it would be silly to break off and do a universe one too i think
[12:46] <tseng> yeah
[12:46] <tseng> you are tapped into my brain
[12:46] <tseng> packaging looks pretty clean
[12:47] <crimsun> Amaranth: it usually helps if you deop yourself. Then people don't pound you with questions.
[12:47] <Amaranth> crimsun: The second I do they act like children. :/
[12:47] <crimsun> and don't forget that tritium and I are also present if things get out of hand
[12:48] <tseng> anyone who is still in #ubuntu is a champion
[12:48] <bddebian> Heh
[12:48] <SloMo_> tseng: why? ;)
[12:48] <tseng> becauses its loaded full of clue resistant people
[12:49] <tseng> wth is my login
[12:49] <tseng> crap
[12:51] <bddebian> Damn, 3 shy of 15 packages goal..
[12:51] <tseng> siretart: ping?
[12:53] <tseng> i guess im not commenting on that today
[12:53] <tseng> oh there it is
[12:53] <tseng> rock out
[12:54] <SloMo_> tseng: you've uploaded pitfdll? is this usefull for something without w32codecs?
[12:54] <tseng> done and done
[12:55] <tseng> SloMo_: yes, and no
[12:55] <tseng> seb really wanted it
[12:55] <tseng> and it doesnt directly depend on w32codecs
[12:55] <SloMo_> hmm
[12:55] <tseng> its just a loader :)
[12:56] <tseng> in the future, fluendo is seeking to legally lisence codecs
[12:56] <tseng> to end users
[12:56] <tseng> like mp3 and dvd especially
[12:56] <tseng> on top of gstreamer
[12:56] <SloMo_> hmm... but this wouldn't allow us to distribute them
[12:56] <tseng> not in the current system
[12:57] <tseng> but we would definately look at being a distribution channel for them
[12:57] <tseng> somehow
[12:57] <tseng> we talked about this at UDU, but its still somewhere off in the future
[12:57] <tseng> we will see :)
[12:57] <SloMo_> yes... and it would be easier for everybody to use pitfdll this way... now one just has to copy the dlls somewhere and everything works
[12:58] <tseng> i would totally pay for good unencumbered dvd support etc
[12:58] <tseng> and support fluendo
[01:03] <SloMo_> yeah that would be fine... even if i don't like the laws which render libdvdcss illegal ;)
[01:09] <tseng> even better if they manage great support for wmv/rma
[01:09] <tseng> and quicktime
[01:10] <tseng> w/o all this encumbered, horribly hackish stuff
[01:10] <SloMo_> yeah... but do you think ms will licence wmv/wma to them?
[01:10] <tseng> just plug into my gstreamer :)
[01:10] <tseng> if they come up with the cash i dont see why not
[01:10] <tseng> they are on a big push to lisence to portable music players
[01:10] <tseng> why not linux
[01:10] <ajmitch> it might not fit well with their drm plans
[01:11] <tseng> eh the plugin can support the drm
[01:11] <SloMo_> and might not fit well with their windows world domination plans ;)
[01:11] <tseng> i support drm decoders much more than buying drm music
[01:12] <tseng> there is alot of content out there in wmv
[01:14] <tseng> hm oops
[01:14] <tseng> should have put Arch: in pitfdll to i386 only
[01:14] <tseng> it has wine libs
[01:14] <SloMo_> hehe
[01:16] <tseng> buildd not up to date or something
[01:16] <bddebian> When to buildds run?
[01:17] <tseng> wanna-build looks for new packages every 5 minutes iirc
[01:17] <tseng> and sends them to the next open buildd
[01:17] <tseng> we have an insane ammount of buildd processing power so it usually doesnt take long
[01:17] <bddebian> Hmm, I should check on octave then
[01:19] <bddebian> Uhm there ain't much on http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/
[01:19] <tseng> oh so thats where that is
[01:20] <tseng> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/  is the "real deal"
[01:22] <bddebian> Does *-successful.gz mean I'm golden?
[01:24] <tseng> yes
[01:24] <tseng> nice work
[01:25] <bddebian> kick ass. Thanks tseng
[01:25] <tseng> np
[01:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: got licq working?
[01:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nope, that's YOUR job :-)
[01:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: j/k.  I don't know exactly how you fixed the kde-gui thing that gets generated??
[01:29] <ajmitch> simple, the patch gets applied before qt-gui is copied to kde-gui
[01:29] <ajmitch> I'll see if I have the patch up..
[01:31] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/tmp/licq-1.3.0/debian/patches/45_licq-gcc40-ftbfs.dpatch
[01:33] <bddebian> Hmm, how is that different than mine after ripping out the kde-gui part? :'-(
[01:34] <ajmitch> mine applied cleanly
[01:34] <ajmitch> make sure you start with fresh source, use dpatch-edit-patch
[01:34] <ajmitch> and add it to 00list
[01:34] <ajmitch> and it works
[01:35] <bddebian> I hate you. ;-P
[01:39] <lamont> bddebian: <bddebian> Does *-successful.gz mean I'm golden?
[01:39] <lamont> no
[01:39] <lamont> it means you're probably golden
[01:39] <lamont> if debian/rules or your makefile ignores errors, well.....
[01:39] <bddebian> Doh
[01:39] <tseng> lamont, the bubble-buster
[01:39] <bddebian> Well it isn't exaclty "MY" makefiles :-)
[02:58] <bddebian> lamont: So how do I check if it really worked?
[02:59] <lamont> bddebian: you read the log file and make sure it did what you wanted it to do.
[02:59] <lamont> or you cross your fingers and hope that it's not a crackful makefile
[03:00] <bddebian> Heh.  OK, thx
[04:00] <bddebian> Anyone have an idea on this one:  "make: execvp: ./configure: Permission denied" in a pbuilder?
[04:04] <\sh> morning
[04:11] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[04:12] <bddebian> \sh: Got a clue on that error above you?
[04:12] <\sh> what error? what clue? I just got up after 4 hours of sleep
[04:12] <bddebian> Oh, nm :-)
[04:13] <\sh> come on tell me .)
[04:13] <bddebian> Anyone have an idea on this one:  "make: execvp: ./configure: Permission denied" in a pbuilder?
[04:13] <bddebian> I get that building oroborus
[04:15] <\sh> hmmmm
[04:15] <\sh> u tried chmod 755?
[04:15] <bddebian> And what is this about renaming yehia prior to building?
[04:16] <\sh> the libs must be renamed accordingly to the cxx transition rules
[04:16] <bddebian> Ohh, sorry I though you meant the package itself :-)
[04:16] <\sh> bddebian: yes that it is the fact ,-)
[04:17] <Burgundavia> tseng, thanks for fixing blam
[04:19] <tseng> Burgundavia: np
[04:20] <bddebian> Boy, how fscking weak am I.. :-(
[04:21] <\sh> bddebian: if the buildd is saying: package X is compiled very successfull, why don't u close the bug in bzilla? ,-)
[04:21] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/octave2.1/2.1.71-2ubuntu2/
[04:21] <bddebian> \sh: Can I close bugs?
[04:21] <\sh> u rock
[04:21] <\sh> bddebian: can't you? didn't u have editbug rights? you should close them as well...
[04:22] <\sh> anyways...I did it :)
[04:23] <bddebian> I have editbug rights but I didn't know if I could close them :-)
[04:23] <bddebian> \sh: BTW, chmod fixed it.  How st00pid am I? :'-(
[04:26] <bddebian> Oh and lamont says I can't cheer unless I see that it "really" works.  And I can't open those damn buildlogs :-(
[04:27] <\sh> well..first step: it builds second step: the users are not complaining *lol*
[04:27] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:27] <\sh> third step: you're always on the wrong side ,-)
[04:31] <bddebian> heh
[04:34] <ajmitch> users always complain :)
[04:34] <bddebian> That's what makes us (l)users :-)
[04:36] <bddebian> At least 2 more packages to go...
[04:39] <quad> anyone else having trouble with networking + breezy
[04:40] <\sh> pppoe is working here...
[04:40] <\sh> and dhcp was working until friday afternoon just before I left the company...
[04:40] <sladen> quad: perhaps you could discribe the problem you're seeing
[04:41] <quad> \shyeah basically
[04:41] <quad> sladen.... it can't get a lease on the ip
[04:41] <quad> not sure why
[04:41] <quad> or how to describe it
[04:41] <quad> sladen: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51242
[04:42] <sladen> try:  sudo killall -9 dhclient[tab]
[04:42] <quad> someone else had it and fixed it like that
[04:42] <sladen> sudo dhclient[tab]  eth0
[04:42] <quad> sladen: i tried killing it
[04:42] <quad> and restarting
[04:45] <quad> \sh: you having the same problem?
[04:46] <\sh> quad: no..as I said, i can't try out dhcp after I'm in the company...so that will be after my kdevelop3 build try
[04:46] <quad> haha
[04:46] <quad> ohh
[04:49] <bddebian> \sh: You mean you STILL haven't fixed kdevelop3?
[04:49] <\sh> bddebian: riddell had to fix the main kde stuff first...cause of missing libXcursor.la
[04:50] <bddebian> Sure sure, make excuses. ;-P
[04:50] <\sh> *gg*
[04:50] <\sh> but if you want, fix kwaves asm issue on amd64
[04:51] <bddebian> Uhm yeah sure, that's next on my list.. ;-)
[04:51] <bddebian> One more package an I may attempt your yehia though, just for a change of pace :-)
[04:52] <\sh> bddebian: leave yehia alone I just patched 3 issues in that :) so the last "void" thingie i will get also fixed ,-)
[04:52] <bddebian> Gah
[04:54] <bddebian> Well then, I guess I'll just keep nailing the "low-hanging fruit" :-)
[04:54] <\sh> yay...it's 5 o'clock
[04:54] <\sh> in 6 mins
[04:57] <\sh> what a nice morning...coffee, music from status quo...and 2 pbuilder running...
[05:00] <bddebian> You're a sick d00d \sh :-)
[05:00] <\sh> exactly
[05:00] <\sh> but I don't care *harhar*
[05:02] <\sh> bddebian: update your pbuilder :)
[05:02] <\sh> u missed half of the build-deps in terminator-x
[05:03] <\sh> and some infos about kde stuff
[05:03] <bddebian> \sh: ???
[05:03] <\sh> it looks like to get rid of missing libXcursor.la u have to do the make -f admin/Makefile.common dance
[05:03] <\sh> bddebian: libxxf86dga-dev was missing
[05:04] <\sh> libjack-dev is not existing..libjack0.80.0-dev is correct
[05:05] <\sh> or I'm still sleeping....
[05:05] <bddebian> \sh: It hadlibjack0.100.0 which we don't have.  libjack-dev psuedo's libjack0.80.0 doesn't it?
[05:05] <comadreja> hey nice to see you're still awake :)
[05:05] <\sh> no :)
[05:05] <comadreja> I've been sleeping the whole day.
[05:05] <\sh> comadreja: lol...awake as in "ghost" ,-)
[05:06] <comadreja> :D
[05:06] <\sh> bddebian: my pbuilder was saying: libjack-dev is not correct..anyhow..lets see if it builds
[05:06] <bddebian> \sh: If I do apt-get install libjack-dev I get libjack0.80.0
[05:07] <crimsun> don't use libjack-dev as a b-d
[05:07] <\sh> yeah
[05:07] <comadreja> what is a b-d ?
[05:07] <\sh> i used libjack0.80.0-dev as build-dep
[05:07] <comadreja> I see :)
[05:07] <comadreja> me too
[05:08] <bddebian> crimsun: Why?
[05:08] <\sh> it's a virtual package referencing libjack0.100.0
[05:08] <crimsun> bddebian: you've already seen why.
[05:08] <bddebian> \sh: Not in everything I do
[05:08] <bddebian> WTF
[05:09] <bddebian> crimsun: No I haven't.  Using libjack-dev works fine.  libjack0.100.0 pukes because we ain't got it.  What am I missing here gents?
[05:09] <\sh> doesn't matter...I fixed it :) uploaded
[05:10] <crimsun> bddebian: it's the way shared libs allowing parallel installs of multiple versions work
[05:10] <crimsun> bddebian: you should b-d on the specific version of -dev if you want to also allow other lib versions
[05:10] <bddebian> Uhm, can you dumb that answer down for me a little? :-)
[05:11] <crimsun> imagine libFooA is parallel-installable with libFooB, but libFoo-dev has multiple targets
[05:11] <crimsun> if you want to build against libFooB-dev, you should put libFooB-dev in the B-D
[05:12] <\sh> oh no
[05:12] <\sh> not again
[05:12] <crimsun> (allowing backporting requires another strategy, but that's another story)
[05:12] <\sh> clean: configure *grrr*
[05:12] <crimsun> timestamp skew?
[05:12] <bddebian> crimsun: OK gotcha
[05:12] <crimsun> or the infamous autotools screw?
[05:13] <\sh> no...those people are configuring the source in the clean target to get make distclean working
[05:13] <\sh> nasty shit
[05:13] <crimsun> eww
[05:14] <\sh> much better...make distclean will trigger ./configure run *shiver*
[05:14] <\sh> i won't fix it
[05:14] <\sh> too crappy this morning
[05:16] <\sh> and this is really interessting
[05:16] <\sh> classviewwidget.cpp:1067: error: redefinition of 'void ClassViewWidget::slotCreateAccessMethods()'
[05:16] <\sh> classviewwidget.cpp:1053: error: 'void ClassViewWidget::slotCreateAccessMethods()' previously defined here
[05:17] <\sh> this error i didn't have before the kde main update *strange*
[05:19] <\sh> and I wonder why I always write: Brian DeFreese...
[05:19] <\sh> bddebian: please rename yourself *lol*
[05:20] <bddebian> Egads, please call me asshole before Brian.    It was 97, but the heat index was 115
[05:34] <bddebian> Well it wasn't exaclty cool here either :-)
[05:35] <crimsun> you're right. I'm glad I've been at work for most of the day, since it's a balmy 72F.
[05:35] <tritium> dang, had to work a Sunday?
[05:36] <crimsun> unfortunately. Our team has a presentation to management tomorrow at noon.
[05:36] <tritium> Oh, I see.
[05:37] <crimsun> "plz justify why we are spending $lots kthx"
[05:37] <\sh> patch no. 5 for rezound :(
[05:37] <tritium> ah, one of those...
[05:44] <bddebian> Ohh mkfontdir: command not found.. :-(
[05:44] <\sh> yes
[05:45] <bddebian> yes what?
[05:45] <\sh> bddebian: and please leave the version number from MoM...so do a dch -a instead of dch -i
[05:46] <bddebian> Oh sure NOW you tell me :-)
[05:46] <bddebian> Do I even need to bother with modifying the changelog?
[05:46] <\sh> hmm...
[05:46] <crimsun> (no)
[05:46] <crimsun> (unless something _drastic_ was necessary)
[05:46] <bddebian> Oh and what should mkfontdir come from?
[05:47] <\sh> xutils
[05:47] <bddebian> Ahh, and that's b0rked still?
[05:47] <\sh> but we're w8ing for daniels
[05:47] <\sh> yes
[05:47] <\sh> same applies to xmkmf
[05:47] <\sh> MoM mentioned versions are not in the archives....
[05:48] <\sh> means, those are the proposed new ubuntu version numbers
[05:49] <\sh> if there is a merge from libapt-pkg-perl_0.1.15 <- debian version then our merge is libapt-pkg-perl_0.1.15ubuntu1 <- new ubuntu version not in the archive
[05:49] <\sh> bddebian: please write everthing down and put it on a wikipage ;)
[05:49] <bddebian> \sh: ??
[05:50] <\sh> bddebian: put it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUStartersGuide ,-)
[05:50] <\sh> forget it...just joking
[05:51] <bddebian> \sh: Actually that is a good idea
[05:53] <\sh> I know ;)
[05:54] <bddebian> Damn, do broken apps count towards my 15 goal? :-)
[05:59] <\sh> ok..last coffee...before i hit the shower
[06:04] <tritium> good night :)
[06:04] <\sh> 1 liter of coffee in my system..this isn't a good start for the day
[06:04] <\sh> hey tritium good morning
[06:05] <tritium> \sh, good morning to you :)
[06:05] <bddebian> wb tritium :)
[06:05] <tritium> bddebian, thanks, and good night!
[06:12] <\sh> hitting the shower
[06:13] <bddebian> Enjoy ;-)
[06:26] <\sh> nice...
[06:26] <\sh> refreshing
[06:26] <bddebian> :-)
[06:27] <\sh> and now 30 mins left to go to a bakery and get some food
[06:28] <\sh> yeah I fixed rezound
[06:28] <crimsun> great :)
[06:28] <bddebian> Damn there are still a ton of merges on bugzilla.. :'-(
[06:33] <\sh> bddebian: peanuts
[06:33] <bddebian> peanuts?
[06:34] <\sh> in germany this is a word for "it's nothing"
[06:34] <bddebian> Same in US.  Just still think you're crazy :-)
[06:35] <bddebian> Especially if I keep doubling your work. ;-P
[06:42] <bddebian> OK, time for bed before the wife disowns me.  Gnight folks.
[06:42] <crimsun> cya
[06:44] <\sh> cu bddebian sleep well :) and greetings to your wife ,-)
[06:44] <bddebian> Heh, thx
[06:45] <Burgundavia> \sh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposalForABetterQAForUbuntu <-- what should I do with this page?
[06:45] <\sh> burn it
[06:46] <\sh> pls .)
[06:46] <Burgundavia> \sh, old stuff we archive
[06:46] <\sh> no..I just wanted to delete it...
[06:47] <Burgundavia> \sh, we should keep it, if someone wants to refer to it later
[06:47] <\sh> ok...keep it then...
[06:48] <\sh> but can u mark it as obsolete?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:48] <Burgundavia> I am going to send a mail to the -devel list explaining the CategoryArchive
[06:57] <\sh> ok..time to leave home ... laters gentlemen
[07:35] <\sh> re
[09:07] <Burgundavia> \sh, the past tense of build, is built.
[09:08] <\sh> right
[09:08] <\sh> but my grammar is terrible since the beginning ;)
[09:09] <Burgundavia> so when you file those one line closers, it would be "built"
[09:11] <\sh> Burgundavia: I'll save it into my longtime memory :)
[09:12] <Burgundavia> longterm
[09:13] <\sh> yes
[09:13] <\sh> saved
[11:07] <siretart> morning, motus!
[11:08] <comadreja> morning :)
[11:12] <siretart> wtf? \sh is uploading stuff since 4:30am?! ROCK!!
[11:14] <\sh> sure
[11:15] <\sh> and I fixed rezound this morning
[11:16] <\sh> and infinity send me to bed
[11:16] <\sh> just like my mom in early days ,-)
[11:16] <siretart> \sh: you are unbelivable! ROCK!!
[11:17] <\sh> siretart: no mental ill is the correct description ,-)
[11:17] <jsgotangco> hail \sh the future of MOTU :)
[11:18] <\sh> i have to fix kdevelop...
[11:18] <siretart> I'd also love to do more motu stuff, but my Studienarbeit has to be finished in exactly 1 week :(
[11:18] <\sh> siretart: u and dholbachs prio is university...and finish it...
[11:18] <siretart> espc. when I read news like this: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2005/8428.html (sorry, german)
[11:19] <siretart> aye
[11:20] <siretart> I think they are 'just' waiting for reviews of their packages for inclusion in universe :(
[11:20] <\sh> jesus crap
[11:48] <HostingGeek> hey
[11:49] <HostingGeek> whats peoples opinions on conary?
[11:53] <\sh> *grmpf* brb
[11:53] <HostingGeek> Its used in foresight linux
[12:59] <slomo> good morning :)
[12:59] <siretart> hi slomo
[01:04] <mort_> hello ubuntu people!
[01:04] <mort_> is there some kind of wnpp for ubuntu?
[01:05] <JRe> yes
[01:05] <mort> URL?
[01:06] <JRe> mort: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[01:06] <mort> JRe: cool, thanks
[01:07] <JRe> Riddell: mmm we should remove abaKus and Kasablanca from SuggestedPackages. Should i ?
[01:07] <Riddell> JRe: sure, probably various that need speaned up there
[01:07] <Riddell> although neither abakus nor kasablanca are in yet I think
[01:11] <JRe> Riddell: i have moved them to currenlty beeing worked on
[01:11] <Riddell> JRe: can you add icecream to that page
[01:11] <JRe> Riddell: it's same for kio-apt and kiosktool no ?
[01:12] <JRe> Riddell: sure
[01:12] <Riddell> it is
[01:12] <mort> I asked because I want to take webCDWriter into debian. the upstream guy has a package for ubuntu(http://joerghaeger.de/webCDwriter/debian.html) but doesn't seem to have had any communication with ubuntu
[01:15] <JRe> mort: The package webcdwriter_2.7.1-1_i386.deb was built on Ubuntu Linux 5.04.
[01:16] <JRe> mort: you're sure it's a debian package?
[01:17] <mort> JRe: It's a ubuntu package, I was just looking for some feedback he received so I could improve it
[01:18] <JRe> mort: ho it's Java! so better to add it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[01:19] <mort> JRe: I could... but I'm not interested seeing it in ubuntu, I don't even run it!
[01:19] <ogra> mort, you can improve it ;) make it compile cleanly with gcj which is in the default install now
[01:20] <JRe> mort: mmm seems to be usefull!
[01:21] <mort> ogra: what bugs me much more is the missing depends. it _needs_ java and cdrecord to run but doesn't depend on it at all
[01:21] <ogra> thats bad...
[01:22] <mort> JRe: it is useful! that way people who burn seldom can use some else's cd writer without needing to buy one
[01:55] <mort> howdy DanielN`aw
[03:32] <slomo> tseng: your tomboy upload is missing the patch i've added to bugzilla and has failed building because of that :(
[03:33] <slomo> tseng: oh no... it has failed because of something else... never mind...
[03:34] <tseng> slomo: i see
[03:34] <tseng> slomo: the debian maintainer intentionally dropped that patch when he merged with ubuntu
[03:35] <tseng> slomo: erm, *you* added a patch to tomboy?
[03:35] <tseng> i do not recall this
[03:35] <slomo> tseng: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=3053
[03:35] <tseng> oh
[03:35] <tseng> i suck
[03:35] <tseng> debian has a different name for libdbus-cil
[03:35] <slomo> tseng: the workaround with uint
[03:35] <tseng> we have libdbus-1-cil
[03:36] <tseng> um ok
[03:36] <tseng> can you talk to me tonight
[03:36] <tseng> i am at work
[03:36] <slomo> ok, np :)
[04:04] <jbailey> Is a signature from a DD considered good enough for MOTU application?
[04:04] <jbailey> (and uploading?)
[04:06] <Amaranth> can you get a path to ogra's key?
[04:07] <Amaranth> http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/
[04:07] <zul> yo
[04:07] <jbailey> zul:
 can you get a path to ogra's key?
 http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/
[04:08] <Amaranth> just need to figure out what ogra's key is :)
[04:08] <ogra> hehe
[04:08] <jbailey> (zul's been doing a pile of work with fabionne and the Ubuntu kernels)
[04:08] <ogra> since you ping me all the time...
[04:08] <zul> i thought i was already accepted as a motu
[04:08] <ogra> A2D06936
[04:08] <jbailey> zul: Dunno.   If not, what's Fabio talking about then?
[04:09] <zul> hmmm...not there
[04:09] <ogra> zul, err, arnet you uploading already since ages ?
[04:09] <zul> never uploaded all my patches for kernel and stuff has gone though fabio
[04:10] <ogra> oh
[04:10] <zul> yeah so do i ;)
[04:14] <zul> ogra: i think it was like a week after tseng
[04:15] <ogra> yep
[04:15] <zul> and i remember sending an email to mako saying that willy signed my key
[04:15] <zul> just never uploaded anything
[04:16] <ogra> oh, do it then....
[04:16] <\sh> re
[04:20] <\sh> hmm...anyone using actual xkbconfig bla and has a working keyboard layout?
[04:46] <Tonio> hi everyone
[04:46] <Tonio> I'm juste subscrbing as an uploader, but didn't found the url to upload my public key.....
[04:47] <Tonio> can someone help me on that point ?
[04:48] <bddebian> Hello
[04:50] <comadreja> \sh I just upgraded and keyboard still doesn't work here
[04:50] <comadreja> \sh same problem
[04:50] <\sh> ok..:)
[04:50] <\sh> after xorgconf?
[04:50] <comadreja> nopes, I haven't done that
[04:51] <comadreja> how's that ?
[04:51] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[04:51] <\sh> hmmm..ok..I will test later...right now I'm trying to fix some other packages and upload
[04:51] <tritium> hello bddebian
[04:51] <bddebian> \sh: Thanks for uploading all of those! :-)
[04:52] <siretart> Tonio: I ment uploading to public keyservers ;) - if your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf is correct, you can upload your key with gpg --send-keys <yourid>
[04:52] <Tonio> okay, not very familiar with encryption and keys at this time ;)
[04:53] <Tonio> any public keyserver is possible ?
[04:54] <siretart> yes, the big ones are exchanging keys
[04:54] <Tonio> okay, sorry for the confusion ;)
[04:54] <Tonio> gpg: success sending to `wwwkeys.pgp.net' (status=200)
[04:55] <Tonio> should be okay
[04:55] <\sh> bddebian: np
[04:55] <siretart> jepp. Now I would have been able to retreive it myself ;)
[04:59] <retrix> hi, i just did a sudo pbuilder create to test a package, is there anything special i have to do to use ubuntu repositories?
[04:59] <retrix> i notice it seems to be using sid
[05:00] <\sh> retrix: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[05:00] <\sh> there is the magic described
[05:00] <retrix> \sh, thanks i just found it as you wrote that :)
[05:00] <bddebian> \sh: Shall I continue or am I causing more work than I'm helping?? :)
[05:02] <\sh> bddebian: do whatever you can...
[05:02] <Tonio> concerning pbuilder, if that can help people here I have done a scripts that completly automates the packaging...
[05:02] <Tonio> you are just prompt to give email, desc etc, and then all steps are done automaticly...
[05:03] <Tonio> even adding/remove packages to the chroot is possible
[05:03] <Tonio> if that can help...
[05:03] <\sh> Tonio: can u write a wiki page to it?
[05:03] <Tonio> maybe yes
[05:03] <\sh> make it a subpage to PbuilderHowto
[05:04] <\sh> would be great
[05:04] <ogra> Tonio, is your key signed already ?
[05:04] <Tonio> not at this time, cause a lot of things to do, but I will ;)
[05:04] <Tonio> ogra, yes
[05:04] <ogra> great :)
[05:04] <Tonio> you mean ? uploaded ?
[05:05] <Tonio> \sh the only thing is that it is not sh or even perl, but php-cli script
[05:05] <\sh> ug
[05:05] <Tonio> don't ask me why but I really hate perl ;)=
[05:05] <\sh> can we convert it to plain bash?
[05:05] <Tonio> so I do everything with php
[05:05] <\sh> or python
[05:05] <Tonio> why convert it ?
[05:05] <bddebian> \sh: My question was more, is it helping? :-)
[05:05] <ogra> Tonio, nope, i mean signed by someone else you met i person...
[05:06] <Tonio> juste install php-cli and then it works like perl
[05:06] <\sh> bddebian: sure :) everything helps dude :)
[05:06] <ogra> Tonio, thats a requirement
[05:06] <\sh> Tonio: well..actually nobody installs php-cli ;)
[05:06] <Tonio> you can put the script in /usr/bin and type the script name....
[05:06] <\sh> even not a php dev like me for cli work ;)
[05:06] <Tonio> \sh hehehe I know ;) but I love php
[05:06] <ogra> what is php-cli ?
[05:06] <\sh> sh, perl, python ;)
[05:07] <Tonio> ogra, no I dndn't perofm that step....
[05:07] <\sh> php-cli is php interpreter for commandline
[05:07] <ogra> heh, there are funny things in this world :)
[05:07] <Tonio> is there a wiki explaining all of this ? cause I'm not very confortable and surely newbie with using keys....
[05:07] <ogra> Tonio, you'll need a valid signature ...
[05:08] <Tonio> how to get it ?
[05:08] <ogra> Tonio, go to a keyigning party anywhere near you or find someone through biglumber.com to sign your key
[05:08] <Tonio> okay
[05:08] <ogra> you need to meet in person....
[05:08] <jsgotangco> keysigning is fun
[05:08] <ogra> the signature makes your key valid...
[05:08] <bddebian> You mean we can't use invalid signatures? ;-P
[05:09] <tseng> bddebian: we have to recognize the signers
[05:09] <ogra> bddebian, trying to fall back into the joking corner ? i thought you meved on to being MOTU :-p
[05:09] <bddebian> tseng: I was kidding.. Sheesh.. :-)
[05:09] <\sh> sorry...when I'm a bit harsh today :( the body of my grandma died this morning around 11 o'clock...and now I understand why I was up so early this morning
[05:09] <jsgotangco> people were making fun of my handwritten passport during UDU
[05:09] <bddebian> ogra: Oh if I become an MOTU I can't joke anymore?
[05:09] <ogra> moved even
[05:09] <tseng> bddebian: not funny.
[05:10] <jsgotangco> \sh: sorry to hear about that, read it on your blog...
[05:10] <ogra> bddebian, we'll discuss it at the next MOTUMeeting *g*
[05:10] <\sh> jsgotangco: well...actually my father reported she's going to die, at this day...today it was the end..actually it was the best
[05:11] <ogra> bddebian, its the one with the many topics: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[05:12] <bddebian> ogra: Uhm, I don't see any agenda items on MOTUMeeting?
[05:13] <ogra> bddebian, thats what i meant :)
[05:14] <Tonio> ogra just in case I'm not that stupid... How to contact them for the key signing ?   Once you have your key signed by someone in the web of trust, validation is fairly straightforward.
[05:17] <Tonio> I can understand that yes, but it's gonna take a while, certainly, I'm not ready to upload those packages ;)
[05:17] <Tonio> So I have to send an email to one of those personns and say I need a keysigning so I'd like the meet him....
[05:18] <ogra> Tonio, after you have a key you can apply for becoming a ubuntu memeer... onyl after that you can become a MOTU and get upload rights
[05:18] <ogra> bddebian, you will have to hold a talk about it then ;)
[05:19] <ogra> s/memeer/member
[05:19] <Tonio> I'll do, no pb, I was just dissapointed because I didn't knew that kind of process at all....
[05:19] <\sh> hmmm...3 pbuilder is not good for my laptop
[05:19] <bddebian> ogra: Nah, I will keep my mouth shut since I already annoy tseng and crimsun
[05:19] <ogra> \sh, you said that yesterday already... still no additional HW ?
[05:19] <\sh> no
[05:19] <lamont__> \sh: more than one is silly unless you have an SMP laptop
[05:20] <\sh> lamont__: I have time ;-)
[05:20] <jsgotangco> Tonio: sure it's a challenge, but there's a sense of accomplishment and connection with people once you've done it
[05:20] <bddebian> \sh: Maybe I should fire up my old Dual P2 450Mhz Compaq proliant for ya? ;-)
[05:20] <jsgotangco> once the connection is there, everything is quite easy..
[05:20] <Tonio> jsgotangco: agree ;)
[05:20] <\sh> Riddell made me the offer to use his fast server ;)
[05:20] <bddebian> Ahh
[05:21] <lamont__> \sh: 3 in series will execute faster than 3 in parallel on a UP machine
[05:22] <Tonio> jsgotangco: will he need me to come with the key, or will he find it uploaded on the keyserver
[05:22] <\sh> lamont__: too late...only 2 running now ,-)
[05:22] <\sh> 3rd one finished and uploaded
[05:22] <\sh> but I need a working X .. more likely
[05:23] <bddebian> Tonio: Just print out your fingerprint
[05:23] <\sh> xmkmf is holding 2 packs...kdebase is w8ing for rebuild
[05:23] <\sh> gnagna
[05:23] <\sh> dia --export-to-format=png-libart --export=chat-bind.dia.png.tmp chat-bind.dia
[05:23] <\sh> and this is ugly<
[05:23] <Tonio> bddebian: okay, let me translate in french, lol I don't know what is fingerprint...
[05:26] <jsgotangco> Tonio: you might find this handy http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/gpg-party.html
[05:27] <bddebian> Tonio: "gpg --fingerprint <your email address here>
[05:27] <bddebian> "
[05:28] <Tonio> thanks ;)
[05:30] <\sh> uga
[05:30] <\sh> what crap
[05:31] <\sh> anyone have time to ldaptor?
[05:34] <bddebian> \sh: Time to what?
[05:34] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10503
[05:34] <\sh> try to build and fix ;)
[05:35] <\sh> actually give me a hint what it does.
[05:35] <bddebian> \sh: Hey, this is assigned to you, it's your problem. ;-P
[05:36] <bddebian> Oops, sorry, I joked again.. :-(
[05:36] <\sh> I know :)
[05:42] <Tonio> Just a little question, because siretart explained to me that I could upload to REVU without a signed key, what is the differences between the two process ?
[05:42] <bddebian> Tonio: REVU are packages that need to be reviewed by an MOTU
[05:43] <bddebian> Tonio: MOTU uploads go directly to the build process and archive
[05:43] <Tonio> lol okay, that's clear now.
[05:43] <Tonio> so I'll start with revu and then maybe on of those days motu when my key is signed.
[05:44] <siretart> Tonio: exactly. REVU is just a platform for making the reviewing for MOTUS more easy
[05:44] <bddebian> Tonio: Well to clear up a little.  REVU is only for packages that we don't currently have in the archive (as far as I understand it anyway).  If you are fixing and existing package then you need to put them on bugzilla or launchpad
[05:45] <bddebian> But don't quote me, I'm st00pid :-)
[05:47] <\sh> bddebian: forget ldaptor...I fixed it
[05:47] <\sh> or better workaround it
[05:48] <bddebian> Damn man, you are too fast :-)
[05:49] <\sh> bddebian: No..I'm just a bit frustrated
[05:49] <siretart> \sh: about what?
[05:49] <\sh> siretart: my grandma was dieing...and today her body died
[05:50] <siretart> \sh: oh :( - I'm sorry for you..
[05:51] <\sh> my father called me a couple of days ago, that she will go in a couple of hours, days...and I found myself this morning sitting at 4am in front of the computer...think I knew already that today will happen somethin
[05:51] <\sh> g
[05:51] <siretart> :(
[05:53] <\sh> so I left work..and went to bed..not to think about all this..dreamed again..and now I'm just working,..not to think of anything else
[05:53] <\sh> bddebian: actually I'm human :)
[05:54] <\sh> and not a machine ;)
[05:55] <\sh> and yes
[05:55] <\sh> linephone for i386, amd64, ppc
[05:55] <siretart> rock!
[05:55] <bddebian> \sh: Sorry to hear that. :-(
[05:57] <\sh> bddebian: that's the way life goes...ups and downs..
[05:58] <SCOGroup> :P
[05:58] <bddebian> OK, meeting time.. :-(
[05:58] <jsgotangco> what the hehe
[05:59] <siretart> bddebian: meeting?
[05:59] <bddebian> Work :-(
[05:59] <siretart> ah ok. hf
[05:59] <SCOGroup> :(
[06:03] <Tonio> does the change file need to be signed to REVU ?
[06:04] <JRe> Tonio: you have to sign the package with a key belonging to the keyring i guess
[06:04] <Tonio> logic.... How to perform this, during package creation with pbuilder ?
[06:10] <siretart> Tonio: yes, please sign the .changes file with debsign, if you run dpkg-buildpackage with -us -uc
[06:12] <Tonio> k
[06:32] <\sh> patching time
[06:33] <DanielN> :)
[06:39] <\sh> and 3 bugs closed
[06:40] <bddebian> \sh: Are you SURE you aren't a machine? :-)
[06:40] <\sh> bddebian: yes I'm sure..and you should be at a meeting? ,-)
[06:41] <bddebian> \sh: Bah screw em :-)
[06:41] <\sh> actually I want to have the new ubuntu shirt: merger of the month *harharhar*
[06:41] <Tonio> ok done for the source signing...
[06:41] <Tonio> is it also necessary to sign the binary package ?
[06:43] <siretart> Tonio: please don't upload binary packages, we can only review what we can read ;)
[06:44] <Tonio> ah okay....
[06:44] <Tonio> then you're rebuilding them by yourself ?
[06:44] <\sh> yes
[06:45] <\sh> right now...later it will be done automatically
[06:45] <Tonio> okay...
[06:47] <\sh> hmm...12 packages from 14:30utc
[06:48] <bddebian> Wow
[06:57] <slomo> can someone request a sync of ace from debian at elmo? the ubuntu changes can be dropped
[06:58] <bddebian> \sh: I just noticed the t-shirt comment. LOL.  Now stop joking around. ;-)
[06:59] <\sh> bddebian: why?
[06:59] <bddebian> \sh: Because I get in trouble for it. :-)
[06:59] <siretart> slomo: is there a bugzilla bug?
[07:00] <slomo> siretart: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10580
[07:00] <\sh> bddebian: if you work hard...you can make jokes as long as u want *lol*
[07:00] <bddebian> \sh: No apparently I can't.  Of course, maybe I'm not working hard? :-)
[07:00] <\sh> bddebian: come fill in some bugs ,-)
[07:01] <bddebian> Trying to build hardware-monitor as we speak :)
[07:01] <\sh> and I will let libbuffy fly
[07:02] <siretart> slomo: then I'd suggest reassigning the bug to elmo
[07:03] <\sh> but configure is not doing as expected
[07:03] <\sh> damn cdbs
[07:03] <bddebian> \sh: There's another.. :-)
[07:04] <\sh> so I have to patch something...*grrr*
[07:07] <slomo> siretart: never mind... the debian version doesn't build out of the box :/ some c++ weirdness... lets look for a fix ;)
[07:07] <bddebian> Hey, what happened to licq?
[07:07] <\sh> done?
[07:07] <\sh> I think I did it
[07:08] <\sh> i don't know anymore
[07:08] <bddebian> \sh: You fixed the gcc4 fsckage?
[07:08] <\sh> actually...I don't know anymore..can be...
[07:08] <bddebian> Heh
[07:09] <bddebian> OK, I wanna do debtags but I KNOW it isn't going to work
[07:09] <\sh> I uploaded on friday
[07:09] <bddebian> debtags?
[07:10] <\sh> but looks like
[07:10] <\sh> yeah I fixed it ,-)
[07:10] <\sh> why?
[07:10] <bddebian> does it make libdebtags1-dev??
[07:11] <bddebian> If not, how did you get around the build-dep for libdebtags1-dev?
[07:11] <\sh> bddebian: apt-get source licq? ,-)
[07:11] <\sh> no licq
[07:12] <bddebian> \sh: No, I meant debtags..
[07:12] <bddebian> Ack, I'm getting confused
[07:12] <\sh> oh no..I never touched debtags
[07:14] <\sh> damn
[07:17] <\sh> the merge diff b0rked the whole upstream source
[07:18] <\sh> I have to start from the debian package..not from the merge
[07:21] <bddebian> How should I tag a bug for a missing build-dep?
[07:22] <bddebian> NEEDINFO?  UPSTREAM?
[07:22] <\sh> which packages?
[07:22] <bddebian> In this case debtags
[07:23] <\sh> ask in -devel...what about debtags
[07:23] <\sh> if this is missing..what package are u working on?
[07:23] <bddebian> ??
[07:23] <\sh> u said: missing build-dep == debtas
[07:23] <\sh> debtags even
[07:23] <\sh> so what package are u working on?
[07:24] <bddebian> \sh: No, debtags is missing build-dep libdebtags-dev (>= 1.0.3)
[07:25] <\sh> resync from debian?
[07:25] <\sh> ask in -devel if it's ok to break UVF for that
[07:25] <\sh> and if it's ok...then ping elmo for sync
[07:25] <bddebian> Break UVF?
[07:26] <bddebian> Ohh, nm
[07:26] <\sh> UpstreamVersionFreeze
[07:26] <bddebian> I asked about it the other day and they said it's Universe
[07:27] <bddebian> OK< gotta go back and check on my installers.  bbiab.
[07:29] <Tonio> I just uploaded the first package
[07:29] <Tonio> if everything is correct I will add the 20 others...
[07:29] <Tonio> thanks to all of you for your help !
[07:31] <siretart> Tonio: your upload was successfull. btw, did you check your packages with lintian and linda?
[07:32] <Tonio> I'm using debuild 6S
[07:32] <Tonio> it is supposed to perform that yes....
[07:33] <Tonio> well, that's what is said in the man ;)
[07:33] <siretart> Tonio: please rerun lintian on the .dsc file
[07:33] <Tonio> okay
[07:34] <Tonio> then reupload ?
[07:34] <siretart> I'd say so, you will get reviews that tell you to fix the lintian warnings ;)
[07:35] <siretart> for NEW packages, please dont use -1 as revision but -0ubuntu1.
[07:35] <Tonio> siretart: no warning...
[07:35] <siretart> lintian will cry about that, ignore that
[07:35] <\sh> any amd64 guru here?
[07:35] <Tonio> okay for -1
[07:35] <siretart> Tonio: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/katalog-0507251930/lintian this is what I get
[07:36] <Tonio> yes I have it too...
[07:36] <Tonio> which means ?
[07:37] <siretart> that you should fix them ;)
[07:37] <Tonio> lol okay
[07:37] <Tonio> didn't knew that it was necessary ;)
[07:37] <Tonio> I'll do
[07:38] <\sh> siretart: do u have an amd64?
[07:38] <Tonio> siretart: sorry I'll be a pain in the ass for the first package, but it'll be okay for the others ^^
[07:38] <siretart> \sh: yes, at home
[07:39] <siretart> Tonio: no problem, your welcome. we all had our first packaging experience ;)
[07:39] <\sh> siretart: can u look at this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xmms-jack/0.14-3ubuntu2/xmms-jack_0.14-3ubuntu2_20050725-1749-amd64-failed.gz
[07:41] <siretart> \sh: that jack.o was compiled without -fPIC. this is not that urgent on i386. but will fail on amd64
[07:41] <siretart> and on nearly every other architecture, I read
[07:44] <\sh> hmmm..
[07:44] <\sh> only jack.o? cause I set -fPIC
[07:44] <\sh> should I set it in the CFLAGS?
[07:45] <siretart> I think yes, I can try it out when I get home
[07:46] <\sh> I'll upload with a change
[07:48] <bddebian> siretart: Hey, you never check MY uploads that fast ;-P
[07:50] <siretart> bddebian: I get copies of output of 'process_uploads.sh', a lintian output is included there
[07:50] <bddebian> siretart: Ahh :-)
[07:51] <\sh> siretart: i have to bug u again ;)http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gtk-gnutella/0.95.3-1ubuntu1/gtk-gnutella_0.95.3-1ubuntu1_20050725-1747-amd64-failed.gz
[07:51] <\sh> vmsg.c: In function 'handle_time_sync_reply':
[07:51] <\sh> vmsg.c:1189: error: duplicate case value
[07:51] <\sh> vmsg.c:1189: error: previously used here
[07:52] <\sh> but I don't see a case here ,-)
[07:52] <siretart> \sh: I'd have to look in the source, I'll do that when I get home, ok?
[07:53] <\sh> siretart: thx
[07:54] <\sh> oi..rain and a lot of it
[07:57] <slomo> hmm, we have wxwindows2.4 as a merger... shall i look at it or mark the bug resolved because of 2.6?
[07:58] <siretart> slomo: I think we will need both
[07:58] <slomo> ok, i'll take it ;)
[07:59] <bddebian> Ack, schooltool doesn't look right
[07:59] <slomo> hmmmmm... wxwindows2.4 is a native package?
[08:00] <siretart> wtf?
[08:00] <Tonio> siretart: W: katalog source: changelog-should-mention-nmu -> do I have to manage with this too ?
[08:01] <siretart> Tonio: ignore this. lintian does not now about ubuntu specialities
[08:01] <siretart> Tonio: basically, all of our uploads are nmu's, in debian terms
[08:01] <slomo> ah ok, we have already a newer wxwindows2.4 version in the archives... no need to worry, siretart ;)
[08:01] <siretart> ok
[08:02] <Tonio> siretart: okay
[08:05] <slomo> Tonio: hmm, maybe you want to look at cdbs... this will make your rules much smaller ;) also the build-deps doesn't seem right to me
[08:06] <siretart> slomo: I think it won't hurt to make the first packages without cdbs
[08:06] <siretart> slomo: after all, you understand what cdbs does for you
[08:06] <Tonio> what's the problem with deps ?
[08:08] <slomo> Tonio: just debhelper for a kde package seems a bit weird... i think at least kdelibs-dev or something similar is needed
[08:09] <siretart> Tonio: did you try to build your package in pbuilder?
[08:09] <siretart> pbuilder is great to check build dependencies
[08:10] <Tonio> works fine but that's true I have to add libe manually
[08:10] <Tonio> then the binary packagehas the correct deps...
[08:10] <bddebian> Grrr
[08:10] <Tonio> best thing is maybe to build it within pbuilder and then modify the deps manually isn't it ?
[08:10] <siretart> please note that all packages are autobuilt in ubuntu, so with wrong build deps, your package will FTBFS (fail to build from source)
[08:11] <bddebian> Or like unnecesary patches for gcc4 :-)
[08:11] <Tonio> yes I understand....
[08:12] <JDahl> Debian Unstable recently included a much newer version of OpenAFS, which I would love to see included in Breezy/Universe (The current packages are not really useful since they only work for kernel 2.4). Whom do I beg, and is there an official mailinglist for requests like that?
[08:12] <slomo> siretart: ok, maybe you're right :) but i think when he first sees cdbs he feels like me and wonders why he struggled with all these stuff in rules ;)
[08:13] <siretart> slomo: with purpose :)
[08:16] <slomo> siretart: and it seems many don't know what cdbs can do for them ;) so it's maybe better when he googles for it right after his first package
[08:16] <siretart> slomo: cdbs has also quite annoying bugs
[08:17] <siretart> and is sometimes hard to debug, but for simple packages, it's great
[08:18] <\sh> ah won :)
[08:19] <slomo> siretart: ok... i haven't found any bugs until now ;) what is the most annoying one?
[08:21] <siretart> slomo: choose one: http://bugs.debian.org/cdbs
[08:21] <siretart> ;)
[08:23] <SloMoSnail> hum... i haven't said anything ;) some of them are nearly 2 years old...
[08:28] <\sh> siretart: ok..jack.o is compiled with -fPIC...but amd64 complains again
[08:28] <\sh> siretart: can u check alter on xmms-jack?
[08:30] <siretart> will do later
[08:34] <\sh> *yawn*
[08:35] <\sh> I think I retire today
[08:41] <j_fletcher> hehe :)
[08:48] <\sh> but just now
[08:48] <\sh> hey herve
[08:48] <herve> hello
[08:48] <herve> I was about to say "morning" :)-
[08:48] <herve> who was fighting againt qemu?
[08:48] <tseng> herve: did you send boo changes to debian
[08:49] <\sh> siretart: ?
[08:49] <SloMoSnail> tseng: boo is synced already
[08:49] <tseng> uh?
[08:49] <tseng> that wasnt my question
[08:49] <tseng> he made ubuntu changes
[08:50] <SloMoSnail> tseng: ah sorry... i can't read :(
[08:50] <herve> tseng, this is how elmo works, the packages are named with my name but signed by the auto archiver
[08:50] <tseng> herve: oh right, so that was just a sync
[08:50] <herve> it really is a sync
[08:50] <tseng> herve: thanks. im dumb
[08:51] <siretart> herve: I uploaded it, it still needs a patch from debian bts, and some dependencies
[08:52] <herve> siretart, because I read a new version was out
[08:52] <herve> I sent my application to the laptop testing team today :-)
[08:52] <tseng> nice
[08:53] <siretart> :)
[08:53] <herve> if you are too
[08:53] <herve> note the fax number given in the application form is wrong
[08:53] <herve> it's Claire's number
[08:54] <herve> use the one from her signature
[08:54] <herve> else you will hear "canonical, hello" from the fax machine :-)
[08:54] <\sh> lol
[08:54] <\sh> hello claire *peeep*
[08:55] <herve> no, she can redirect the call to her fax machine at worst
[08:55] <herve> ok, I look what I can upload
[08:56] <\sh> what?
[08:57] <herve> + at
[08:58] <siretart> herve: I'm really busy this week, if you want a working qemu, coordinate with slomo
[08:58] <herve> ok
[08:58] <herve> but I hope the compilation is not eating too much resource
[08:58] <herve> my laptop gets easily on fire
[08:59] <\sh> hehe
[08:59] <\sh> my laptop burns ;)
[09:00] <\sh> ok..if this is not a oneline I will go to bed for today
[09:00] <\sh> crap oneliner...upload
[09:02] <SloMoSnail> herve: is someone already working on an updated debian package for 0.7.1?
[09:03] <\sh> ugh....source is 3.0 diff is 6.6M
[09:03] <\sh> bla
[09:03] <herve> I don't known that
[09:05] <siretart> ok, driving home. byw folks
[09:06] <herve> see you
[09:07] <\sh> siretart: cu ..
[09:43] <herve> I'll be back...
[09:43] <herve> :-)
[09:43] <bddebian> Thanks for the warning ;-)
[09:44] <\sh> I'm not in bed :(
[09:44] <bddebian> \sh: Be quiet and get to work. ;-P
[09:51] <\sh> bddebian: hmmmm....
[10:16] <herve> re
[10:17] <\sh> re herve
[10:17] <\sh> last cigarette for today..then bedtime
[10:17] <\sh> I completly exhausted
[10:17] <herve> I can imagine
[10:17] <siretart> re
[10:18] <siretart> \sh: what packages did you want me to look at?
[10:18] <herve> hmm... one package I "uploaded" today failed to build
[10:18] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xmms-jack/0.14-3ubuntu3/xmms-jack_0.14-3ubuntu3_20050725-1919-amd64-failed.gz
[10:18] <bddebian> wb herve
[10:18] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gtk-gnutella/0.95.3-1ubuntu1/gtk-gnutella_0.95.3-1ubuntu1_20050725-1747-amd64-failed.gz
[10:18] <bddebian> \sh: Last cigarette??? Nooo :-)
[10:18] <bddebian> wb siretart
[10:20] <\sh> bddebian: yes for sure
[10:20] <siretart> hi bddebian
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: if you can fix it somehow, please upload and update the bugs
[10:21] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10441
[10:22] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10616
[10:23] <herve> something changed with the qt3 headers?
[10:23] <\sh> it's ok when I retire for this evening? yes? bddebian?
[10:24] <siretart> \sh: you must fall from your chair of tiredness, go and sleep well!
[10:24] <\sh> herve: yeah..riddell uploaded after the last xorg mess..libXcursor.la is not installed anymore
[10:24] <bddebian> \sh: Oh, I guess so. :-)  Good work as usual. :-)
[10:24] <\sh> hehe
[10:24] <herve> I mean, compiling a package depending on libqt3-headers and libqt3-mt-dev
[10:25] <\sh> no..that's always the same
[10:25] <herve> configure: error: qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel).
[10:25] <\sh> ah
[10:25] <herve> but the dependencies seem good
[10:25] <\sh> qt3-tools
[10:25] <\sh> bla
[10:25] <herve> qt3-tools is missing?
[10:25] <\sh> qt3-dev-tools
[10:25] <\sh> or qt3-apps-dev
[10:26] <herve> I see no such thing
[10:26] <siretart> \sh: you won't beleive it, xmms-jack_0.14-3ubuntu3 got built here 'as is'
[10:26] <\sh> qt3-dev-tools:
[10:26] <\sh> siretart: no
[10:26] <\sh> strange
[10:26] <siretart> yeah
[10:26] <\sh> me too
[10:26] <\sh> (c) aol.com
[10:26] <siretart> argl
[10:26] <siretart> sorry
[10:27] <siretart> this was inside my i386 chroot :/
[10:27] <herve> the buildd can be b0rked sometimes
[10:27] <herve> I hope lamont is not here :-)
[10:27] <\sh> he's lurking around, I think..suddenly he appears and mumbling something, that 3 pbuilders in series are better then in a row ,-)
[10:28] <\sh> I don't believe it (tm)
[10:28] <siretart> :)
[10:28] <\sh> sorry lamont :) just joking
[10:29] <herve> so \sh you mean qt3-dev-tools is missing?
[10:29] <\sh> yes
[10:29] <\sh> herve: in debuild state or inside the pbuilder
[10:29] <\sh> ?
[10:29] <herve> strange debian is ok
[10:30] <herve> the pbuilder
[10:30] <herve> compilation failed on all buildds
[10:30] <\sh> herve: which one?
[10:30] <\sh> no...
[10:30] <\sh> i didn't ask
[10:31] <\sh> nono
[10:31] <\sh> I'm off
[10:31] <\sh> buffy?
[10:31] <bddebian> Later \sh
[10:31] <\sh> ok..g'night...
[10:31] <\sh> thx siretart for helping me out
[10:32] <\sh> bddebian: and don't forget your jokes :)
[10:32] <bddebian> \sh: I'm not allowed. ;-P
[10:32] <\sh> herve: if I can help you...send a mail to sh at sourcecode.de or something..
[10:32] <\sh> anyways.
[10:33] <bddebian> Damn I wish this bugzilla-daemon would stop sending me e-mails.. :-)
[10:34] <bddebian> Uhm..
[10:36] <herve> \sh_away, sorry I was cooking rice :-)
[10:37] <herve> \sh_away, no, think of something else, have rest, and dream sweet dreams
[10:39] <herve> Riddell, ping
[10:42] <bddebian> Should I bother with the xfc3 merge issues or is that a xfce team job?
[10:42] <bddebian> Err s/xfc3/xfce/
[10:43] <herve> there's a team so keep it for the end
[10:43] <herve> gaah! hydrogen can't find the qt3 headers
[10:45] <Riddell> herve: hi
[10:46] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: no... ogra said that's the job of the xfce team and one of them meant he's working on it
[10:46] <herve> Riddell, hi
[10:46] <herve> Riddell, did you change the package where the qt3 headers go compared to debian?
[10:48] <Riddell> herve: nope
[10:48] <herve> I have a package that can't find the qt3 headers
[10:48] <herve> hmm
[10:48] <herve> it also says it can't find qmake
[10:48] <herve> but the package is installed...
[10:51] <herve> doko, ping
[10:51] <herve> bddebian, it will assign bugs to them?
[10:52] <bddebian> herve: I was kidding.  Man everyone is so serious around here. :-)
[10:53] <herve> well it is a serious job :-)
[10:57] <bddebian> Hmm, the debian-dropped patch has build-depends python2.4 but the merged sorce package has 2.4?  Which do I use?  Leave 2.4?
[10:58] <herve> maybe the debian one moved to python2.4?
[10:58] <SloMoSnail> hm, when a package just needs g++ to build... must i add anything like libstdc++-dev or g++ to build-deps?
[10:58] <herve> anyway, it's hard to answer like that
[10:58] <herve> SloMoSnail, no, build-essential is induced
[10:58] <bddebian> herve: Sorry I meant the dropped patch still has python2.3 but the merged source has 2.4
[11:00] <herve> check it's coherent and test the build
[11:00] <bddebian> Of course
[11:00] <herve> I doubt MoM is bug-free
[11:00] <bddebian> WHAT?
[11:00] <bddebian> ;-)
[11:01] <SloMoSnail> hmm... what will this be fixed automatically? http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/i/icu/2.1-3ubuntu1/icu_2.1-3ubuntu1_20050725-2138-i386-failed.gz
[11:01] <SloMoSnail> other archs built without problems
[11:02] <herve> surely temporary error
[11:02] <herve> ping lamont otherwise
[11:03] <SloMoSnail> ok, thanks
[11:03] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: How goes things?
[11:04] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: fine :) have fixed 5 mom-packages and currently i'm packaging dirac for gstreamer-plugins-multiverse ;)
[11:05] <Burgundavia> isn't dirac FLOSS?
[11:05] <SloMoSnail> FLOSS?
[11:05] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: Nice
[11:06] <Burgundavia> sladen, Free/Open source software
[11:06] <herve> there's a license isssue on dirac?
[11:06] <herve> Free/Libre...
[11:06] <herve> else you miss the L :-)
[11:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:06] <SloMoSnail> not afaik... it's under MPL and as far as the developers know they even don't infrige any patents
[11:07] <Burgundavia> ah, then why multiverse?
[11:07] <herve> maybe it hasn't been reviewed for legal issue
[11:07] <Burgundavia> I just want it in ubuntu, dont really care about where it goes
[11:07] <SloMoSnail> dirac will go to universe i think... but it doesn't make sense to do 2 different gst-plugins packages for multiverse and universe ;)
[11:09] <doko> herve: pong
[11:10] <Mez> any MOTU "admin" here
[11:10] <Mez> prefereably dholbach or ogra
[11:10] <bddebian> Wow, next goal 30
[11:10] <herve> doko, I am merging zope2.7 with latest debian, unless you want to do something special?
[11:11] <lamont__> SloMoSnail: the only log I currently have for icu is from ppc on autotest
[11:13] <SloMoSnail> lamont: hmm, at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/i/icu/2.1-3ubuntu1/ are all buildlogs
[11:13] <doko> herve: that's ok
[11:13] <bddebian> Well I'm heading home.  Later folks.
[11:14] <herve> bye bddebian
[11:14] <lamont__> SloMoSnail: yeah - I'm trying to be lazy... :)  and the fact that it's not in my mailbox means that either (1) it was automatically queued, or (2) it hasn't made it through the straw to my machine yet
[11:14] <lamont__> and given that it's only 40 minutes old, it's probably option #2
[11:15] <SloMo_> hmm... connection has disappeared :/
[11:25] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:26] <herve> morning ajmitch
[11:26] <herve> ajmitch, I sent my application today :-)
[11:26] <ajmitch> hey herve
[11:26] <ajmitch> good to see you merging zope2.7 changes
[11:26] <ajmitch> are there many changes there?
[11:27] <ajmitch> & what zope packages are left?
[11:27] <herve> some patches are in the new zope2.7 from debian
[11:27] <herve> others are still specific to ubuntu
[11:28] <herve> I haven't touched products
[11:28] <ajmitch> ok
[11:28] <herve> and won't today, it's already bedtime
[11:28] <ajmitch> the products I've merged have been simple merges
[11:28] <ajmitch> ok :)
[11:42] <siretart> \sh_away: I uploaded  xmms-jack_0.14-3ubuntu4. a real ugly package, which should be repackaged by someone who knows what he does. perhaps with cdbs
[11:43] <\sh> damn I can't sleep cause I#m hungry
[11:43] <herve> hehe
[11:43] <\sh> thx siretart ...
[11:43] <herve> but what are you doing here?
[11:43] <herve> looking for TheFridge? ;-)
[11:43] <\sh> I'm eating..finally I start cooking ;)
[11:43] <herve> everything happens!
[11:44] <whiprush> hey! no fridge jokes!
[11:44] <siretart> \sh: the orig tarball is a mess, too
[11:44] <\sh> siretart: well...next release...we need more time
[11:44] <Burgundavia> whiprush, I am hungry, where is TheFridge ?
[11:44] <whiprush> don't know.
[11:44] <Burgundavia> who is working on it?
[11:44] <whiprush> maybe I should bug jdub about it more.
[11:44] <ajmitch> whiprush: nothign wrong with fridge jokes :)
[11:45] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I'm a second on it on the spec.
[11:45] <ajmitch> \sh: amazing work on the merges :)
[11:45] <siretart> absolutley
[11:45] <whiprush> but last I heard we were waiting on art or something.
[11:45] <\sh> actually I have to think about my mental state...eating at this time at night is not good
[11:45] <whiprush> but that was over a month ago.
[11:45] <SloMo_> \sh: don't worry... i'm eating a pizza atm :)
[11:45] <siretart> \sh: depends on what you're gonna eat. Midnight snacks are great :)
[11:45] <ajmitch> \sh: it's not that late there
[11:46] <siretart> ajmitch: in .au? haha :)
[11:46] <herve> yes, you're just having breakfast with ajmitch :-)
[11:46] <\sh> actually...it's a mixture of kidney beans, tabasco, sliced sausages
[11:46] <\sh> quick hack
[11:47] <Burgundavia> whiprush, who is lead?
[11:47] <\sh> just a patch for my stomach
[11:47] <SloMo_> \sh: sounds nice :)
[11:48] <siretart> \sh: I will have to look at the other package tomorrow, I definitly need some sleep now. sorry
[11:48] <ajmitch> siretart: what has .au got to do with anything? :)
[11:48] <\sh> yeah...taste as well...wonder
[11:48] <siretart> ajmitch: the time, ;)
[11:48] <\sh> siretart: no prob...I saw ire is also ftbfsing again on amd64...
[11:49] <siretart> timezone, even
[11:49] <siretart> \sh: if you want to look some obscure stuff, look at xmms-jack, and my patches. I converted the packages to dpatch, btw
[11:49] <whiprush> Burgundavia: jdub
[11:49] <siretart> I have no idea why it could be build on i386 at all
[11:49] <Burgundavia> whiprush, ah, ok
[11:50] <\sh> siretart: I will :) I want to know the hidden secrets of amd64
[11:50] <whiprush> maybe he's overtasked.
[11:50] <whiprush> maybe we're supposed to Just Do It(tm)
[11:50] <ajmitch> siretart: well, it's about 8am in eastern .au :)
[11:50] <siretart> ajmitch: hui. its 23:50 here, and I'm off for bed now :)
[11:50] <siretart> gn8 folks!
[11:51] <ajmitch> night
[11:51] <herve> night
[11:51] <SloMo_> gn8
[11:52] <Burgundavia> whiprush, I would take the lead and start bugging AndyFitz. He is the one that needs to get the art to you
[11:52] <whiprush> hmmm, good idea.
[11:52] <ajmitch> silly postinst should be removed, in favour of a debhelper one
[11:52] <Lathiat> hrm, anyone know what the current state of X in breezy is
[11:52] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, depends on your system
[11:52] <ajmitch> Lathiat: probably broken as ever
[11:52] <Lathiat> i am currently back on hoary and wondering if an upgrade is a worse idea than bad
[11:53] <herve> ajmitch, yes it should
[11:53] <Lathiat> before my xkb was broken, fonts were screwed but somewhat working, otherwise working
[11:53] <Lathiat> any change on that?
[11:53] <\sh> Lathiat: x is broken....
[11:53] <\sh> Lathiat: use xmodmap + xkeycaps...I think the trick came from comadreja
[11:54] <Lathiat> well, my keyboard was usable, just shortcuts and ctrl+alt+f1 wouldnt work, and i couldnt change my font dpi
[11:54] <Lathiat> maybe i'll install breezy on a seocnd partition and wait till next week
[11:54] <Lathiat> so i can at least get some work done :)
[12:00] <\sh> damn
[12:00] <\sh> I'm stupid
[12:01] <ajmitch> forgot to re-remove the postinst in a zope package I merged :)
[12:02] <\sh> and I blown away some ashes from my cigarette..which was burning...I don't find it...*grmpf*