 My join messages are still here, by the part messages left >.>
[11:09] <superfly> inetpro: do you use any asset registry software?
[11:10] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... for our open source environment? Good question, unfortunately the answer is no
[11:12] <inetpro> superfly: what are you looking at?
[11:12] <superfly> inetpro: more for hardware. I'm looking for something that I can use to keep track of our hardware (and possibly software)
[11:12] <inetpro> have you looked at ansible?
[11:13] <superfly> No, I'll take a look.
[11:13] <inetpro> ansible all -m setup
[11:13] <inetpro> outputs a ton of info
[11:14] <inetpro> just can't say that I am using it effectively just yet
[11:14] <inetpro> but that on it's own could be very useful to keep track of
[11:18] <inetpro> must say it is very quick and easy to start using ansible
[11:25] <inetpro> just ansible-playbook and other stuff gets much more complicated and I still need to spend much more time with it
[11:26]  * inetpro likes the concept behind it
[17:25] <magespawn> good evening
[17:47] <gremble> whuzzup
[17:50] <inetpro> sanibonani
[17:53] <inetpro> Kilos: you ok?
[17:56] <gremble> How are you inetpro?
[17:56] <gremble> Why would Kilos be not-okay?
[17:56] <Kilos> ya kinda
[17:57] <Kilos> bit worried about ops otherwise good
[17:57] <gremble> ops?
[17:57] <Kilos> and inetpro ill most likely miss our meet and the africa one
[17:57] <Kilos> sigh
[17:57] <Kilos> ya gremble gotta go for prostate and hernia ops
[17:57] <inetpro> ai!
[17:58] <gremble> :/
[17:58] <gremble> That sucks
[17:58] <inetpro> Kilos: when?
[17:58] <Kilos> in our wonderful hospitals
[17:58] <Kilos> going on monday early inetpro
[17:58] <Kilos> maybe they dont admit same time then its ok
[17:59] <inetpro> they doing it all at once?
[17:59] <Kilos> i dont know
[17:59] <Kilos> here they first want to practise testing everything fo 2 weeks first
[17:59] <Kilos> sigh
[17:59] <Kilos> so who knows
[18:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:01] <inetpro> gremble: I was asking because he's been very quiet here lately
[18:01] <Kilos> if i go in ill be offline i think
[18:01] <Kilos> i been resting lots sorry inetpro
[18:07] <Kilos> wbb
[18:11] <Kilos-> any ideas? my kde cannot copy paste files to android fones memory card
[18:12] <Kilos-> is the something that needs installing?
[18:12] <Kilos-> i can see all the files android saves there but cannot paste other files to it
[18:13] <gremble> That is odd. Perhaps you don't have write permissions?
[18:14] <gremble> gvfs-mtp and gvfs-libmtp is what you need. But if you can see the files, you probaly already have these libraries installed
[18:14] <gremble> (I think they probably come by default these days)
[18:15] <gremble> http://askubuntu.com/questions/87667 perhaps?
[18:15] <gremble> Hey Langjan
[18:16] <Langjan> hi gremble
[18:18] <Langjan> hi Kilos-
[18:18] <Kilos-> hi Langjan
[18:18] <Langjan> hoe gaan dit?
[18:18] <Kilos> goed dankie en self?
[18:19] <Langjan> OK dankie maar het drooggemaak
[18:19] <Kilos> wat nou
[18:19] <Langjan> Long story
[18:19] <Kilos> tell
[18:20] <Kilos> by you or linda?
[18:20] <Langjan> Lindas Vodamail has been lost 'cause she gave her simcard away
[18:20] <Kilos> oh my
[18:20] <Langjan> so now we decided to open a new account for her on my domain
[18:20] <Kilos> thunderbird will still see what was there
[18:21] <Kilos> ok
[18:21] <Kilos> she should have first mailed her contacts that she is changing
[18:21] <Langjan> so I deleted her account, thinking I can just register a new one, but did not realise that if I delete the account all the mails are also lost!
[18:22] <Kilos> get the sim back for a day
[18:22] <Langjan> so now can I go thro the same process that inetpro  did too get them back?
[18:22] <Kilos> ehe
[18:22] <Kilos> hehe too
[18:22] <Langjan> We cant, its gone
[18:22] <Kilos> oh my
[18:23] <Kilos> you will need all those commands and modify them to see the new account i think
[18:23] <Langjan> so now how can I transfer them to a new account?
[18:23] <Kilos> lol carefully
[18:24] <Kilos> im lost here sir you will need to call on pro again
[18:25] <Langjan> well first I have to get them back, will a repeat of the last few steps of the other night do the trick or must I set the new account up first?
[18:25] <Kilos> maybe
[18:25] <Kilos> set new account first
[18:25] <Kilos> then see if voda wont forward them all for you
[18:25] <Langjan> ok let me do that
[18:27] <Langjan> no I dont think that will work, they were kept for 14 days only on the server
[18:27] <Kilos> eish
[18:28] <Kilos> i leave mine there forever
[18:28] <Kilos> sometimes spend hours deleting useless mals
[18:28] <Langjan> good idea if you have the capacity available, voda gives 3 gig I think
[18:28] <Kilos> oh
[18:29] <Langjan> so if you let it get to big, "mailbox full"
[18:29] <Kilos> eish
[18:30] <Kilos> i have no idea how big gmails is but i have 5 g there already on one account
[18:30] <Kilos> how is she going to notify all contacts
[18:30] <Kilos> i man
[18:31] <Kilos> ai! ook
[18:31] <Langjan> by mail, only 40 contacts
[18:31] <Kilos> oh as long as she has their addresses thats good
[18:32] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[18:32] <Cryterion> hi
[18:36] <Kilos> oh Langjan you sure pro didnt get you back them up somewhere
[18:37] <Langjan> i still have the backups
[18:37] <Kilos> or were they al in that acount
[18:37] <Kilos> then you might find them there
[18:38] <Kilos> just tell TB where to find them i think
[18:39] <Kilos> you could even reopen the voda account again
[18:40] <Kilos> and dont delete it till you got everything forwarded youself to new addy
[18:41] <Langjan> I think I must ask the pro what sequence I should follow now
[18:44] <Langjan> perhaps I can register the new account and then import the mails to it instead
[18:44] <Kilos> well when he guides you things work
[18:45] <Langjan> have you seen him around?
[18:45] <Kilos> but first make new account
[18:45] <Langjan> ok will do
[18:45] <Kilos> he was hear earlier
[18:45] <Kilos> here
[18:47] <Kilos> i need to sleep guys. have a successful evening and sleep tight
[18:47] <Kilos> see you  tomorrow
[18:48] <Langjan> sleep well kilos
[18:48] <gremble> sleep well Kilos
[18:48] <Kilos> ty
[19:01] <Langjan> hi inetpro
[19:14] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:25] <inetpro> Langjan: hi
[19:26] <inetpro> skuus oom, ek was besig met ander goed netnou
[19:26] <inetpro> 1. set up new account in offline mode, 2. close Thunderbird 3. delete newly created files in 'profile/Mail/account' folder, 4. copy files from backup to 'profile/Mail/account' folder
[19:26] <Langjan> hi inetpro
[19:27] <inetpro> and then 5. start Thunderbird again
[19:27] <inetpro> so maklik soos dit
[19:28] <Langjan> I have set the new account up but not offline mode, does that complicate matters?
[19:28] <inetpro> well if you had mails that got downloaded they will be gone
[19:29] <Langjan> no mails, no problem
[19:29] <Langjan> many thks, will try that, hope I can get it to work
[19:30] <inetpro> do it the Nike way and just do it! :-)
[19:30] <Langjan> ok here goes
[19:40] <Langjan> inetpro,  did I lose you on "and then 5" ? Do I create a folder no. 5? I pasted the files into the no 4 folder, did not work.
[19:40] <inetpro> ai!
[19:41] <Langjan> sorry!
[19:41] <inetpro> oom Langjan, that waas meant to be step 1, step 2, step 3, step 4 and then step 5
[19:41] <inetpro> was*
[19:43] <inetpro> surely by now you kmow exactly what folders we are talking about?
[19:43] <inetpro> know*
[19:44] <inetpro> do don't even have to do it on the cli
[19:45] <inetpro> yikes, my typing is yuck when I try to type fast
[19:45] <inetpro> you don't*
[19:46] <Langjan> No, sorry, when you say profile I assume you mean the .thunderbird file, but which folder? I dont see a profile/mail/account
[19:46] <inetpro> obviously
[19:47] <inetpro> the .thunderbird folder is the base folder for thunderbird profiles
[19:47] <inetpro> inside that you will typically get the profile folder with a funny name, for example 12345.default
[19:47] <Langjan> thks, that s about all I know
[19:48] <inetpro> inside that you should find a Mail folder
[19:48] <inetpro> inside that you will find an account folder
[19:48] <Langjan> ok now on track
[19:49] <inetpro> and then you will typically see the files Inbox, Inbox.msf, Trash, Trash.msf
[19:50] <Langjan> which I have deleted... then pasted backups and loading, hope thats right
[19:50] <inetpro> sounds right to me
[19:51] <Langjan> then runb thunderbird -p and start on default profile offline mode?
[19:52] <inetpro> well offline mode is just to gives you a chance to correct things without mixing what is online with what you restored from backup
[19:52] <inetpro> basically just so you can see whether everything is ok before going online
[19:53]  * inetpro likes to make sure and test one step at a time
[19:54] <inetpro> others don't like to do things the slow route
[19:54] <Langjan> Praise the Lord for brilliance - its all there, many thanks inetpro , once again. I felt sick when I saw what I had done but was sure you would guide me out of trouble once more.
[19:54] <inetpro> nice job!
[19:54] <Langjan> oh but the over-70's cannot do the shortcuts
[19:55] <Langjan> baie dankie! ek voel oppiekoppie! cool!
[19:55] <inetpro> mooi :-)
[19:55] <Langjan> You must travel along Rachel de Beer often?
[19:55] <inetpro> yep
[19:56] <inetpro> every day
[19:56] <Langjan> Seen the new JMC showroom corner of Burger?
[19:56] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:57] <Langjan> Next to Rainbow Motors
[19:57]  * inetpro maybe needs to go look tomorrow
[19:57] <inetpro> you work there?
[19:58] <Langjan> its in the second block after the first robot as you enter the commercial area from your side, on right-hand
[19:58] <inetpro> I think I know where that is
[19:58] <Langjan> Its my son-in-law's business
[19:59] <inetpro> you have a new car standing ready for me? :-)
[19:59] <Langjan> FJ Labuschagne, pop in and say hello if you get a chance, great guy
[19:59] <Langjan> wish I could, you deserve one...
[19:59] <inetpro> haha... sorry, I shall take that back
[19:59] <Langjan> pronoounced efjay
[20:00] <inetpro> when I have a spare moment I will go say hi
[20:00] <Langjan> OK I will leave you to it, have a good evening
[20:01] <Langjan> do that
[20:01] <inetpro> Langjan: you're most welcome
[20:01] <Langjan> May the Lord bless you
[20:01] <Langjan> lekker slaap
[20:01] <inetpro> thanks oom
[20:02] <inetpro> goeie nagrus ook daar
[20:02] <Langjan> baie dankie


[03:59] <redtornado5252> Hello. Could someone help a new user with "authentication" errors?
[03:59] <redtornado5252> I have a user account on Ubuntu 11.10 that was recently renamed. My orig. password work on the startup screen, but no where else. Trying to get apps etc from ubuntu software center. It wont accept my password for authentication
[04:03] <urfr332gO> redtornado5252, you a member of the ubuntu forums
[04:03] <redtornado5252> i dont think so. im @ askubuntu.com atm
[04:04] <redtornado5252> the recovery mode pass reset did not work for me last time
[04:04] <urfr332gO> redtornado5252, I have link that a mod gives there but you have to be a member to access it
[04:05] <redtornado5252> ok, thanks. ill register
[04:07] <urfr332gO> redtornado5252, check the 5th link. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=821685
[04:15] <redtornado5252> haha, geez
[04:15] <redtornado5252> you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:   	Your user account has less than 50 posts.         Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to  access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access  administrative features or some other privileged system? 	If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be
[04:15] <redtornado5252> ill try again in a few, maybe awaiting activation
[04:16] <holstein> redtornado5252: the recovery console is what you want.. from the grub list.. hold down shift while rebooting.. get to a root shell.. use the command passwd to change your username password
[04:16] <redtornado5252> Ok, ill try that again. Thanks
[04:17] <holstein> let us know the errors... check the caps lock... try a simpler one just for a moment.. you can always change it in the GUI where you may feel more comfortable later
[04:18] <redtornado5252> ok, rebooting now
[04:39] <redtornado5252> Ok so, recovery mode root access was not working. kept geting "read only file system" errors. just tried it in Xterm "passwd" and it seems to have worked for the moment
[04:40] <redtornado5252> are the read only errors something i should be concerned with
[04:45] <redtornado5252> thanks for the help.
[08:39] <Guest720> hi all. got a question. what's the difference between synaptic and gdebi?
[08:40] <geirha> synaptic is an apt frontend. gdebi is a dpkg frontend
[08:40] <Unit193> Synaptic works with the repos and I don't think installs .deb fils, gdebi doesn't actaully install from the repo, bu.... That.
[08:42] <Guest720> do I need both on system with nothing on it?
[08:44] <geirha> You need neither; you can use apt-get and dpkg on the command-line. synaptic and gdebi are just guis that allow you to install packages without using the command-line.
[08:45] <Guest720> Alright, let me ask like this: Is there anything that gdebi does, that I can't do with synaptic?
[08:46] <geirha> No
[08:47] <Guest720> Alright, I'm doing a Debian netinst and somebody tells me to install both...
[08:47] <Guest720> In Virtualbox
[08:48] <geirha> well, it's easier to install standalone deb-files with gdebi than synaptic
[08:49] <geirha> with gdebi installed, you just double click a deb file and click install.
[08:49] <Guest720> Ah OK thanks , didn't know that
[08:50] <geirha> With synaptic, you first have to run synaptic, then go to the file menu and select one of the options there, then browse your way to the deb file, then mark the package for installation, then install.
[08:50] <geirha> But the end result will be the same in either case
[08:55] <Guest720> thanks for the info!
[08:55] <Guest720> I recon Ubuntu has gdebi installed by default?
[08:55] <geirha> aye
[08:55] <geirha> Hm. Or it used to
[08:56] <geirha> I have it on my 10.04 install, but not on 11.10
[08:57] <geirha> Ah, the Ubuntu Software Center has encompassed that part
[08:57] <geirha> So gdebi is no longer needed with the newer versions of the software center.
[08:58] <Unit193> Unless you would like to replace USC with gdebi.
[09:03] <Guest720> OK, I'm trying out an install in Virtualbox I wanna do on my mom's old laptop. It'll use LXDE and no software center, so I'll go with synaptic/gdebi.
[09:06] <Unit193> For pangolin, there will be a lighter weight software center called "Lubuntu Software Center", but it is made in python for now.
[10:30] <s-fox> Hello
[12:55] <yawstick1> I deleted the status bar where minimized apps usually show
[12:56] <yawstick1> i added back bar but cant seem to gets minimized apps to show up
[12:59] <nothingspecial> yawstick1, which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[17:27] <boxODER> hi
[17:29] <s-fox> Hello boxODER
[18:08] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:28] <gribbly> I am trying to access a shared folder from a windows host on a ubuntu guest in vmware. I have installed open-vm-tools and enabled a shared folder. but the folder does not show up in /mnt/hgfs. there were a few errors during the open-vm-tools install "make: *** vmxnet: no such file or directory" and "make: *** vsock: no such file or directory".
[18:30] <gribbly> i'm running ubuntu 11.10 desktop with kernel 3.0.0-16-generic
[18:31] <urfr332gO> gribbly, you might try #vmware
[18:32] <gribbly> can do
[18:33] <urfr332gO> ;)
[18:33] <philipballew_> sometimes the people who are in this channel dont always know vmware because they dont use it. They run Ubuntu on their physical hardware and thats the only system they want to run
[18:33] <urfr332gO> I know vbox but never used vmware.
[18:34] <philipballew_> yeah, I only use virtualbox to test other linux distros and have no idea about vmware
[18:35] <philipballew_> some businesses  think its the best
[18:40] <gribbly> i'm the opposite, never used virtualbox. We had a copy of vmware here no one was using so I started playing with it. so far it has made my life a lot easier for testing distros and client/settings on a virtual network. does virtualbox have a virtual network option?
[18:40] <gribbly> *client/server settings
[19:12] <gribbly> another question. when using dd, if i know the part of the file i want starts at block 2000, would i then use skip=1999 or skip=2000?
[19:21] <geirha> the latter
[19:29] <gribbly> thanks
[21:11] <Xiziuz> hi peeps.. can i get some help ? i am new in kubuntu, and i want to update my kub, but cant find any update manager :/
[21:12] <Unit193> !crosspost | Xiziuz
[21:12] <ubot2`> Xiziuz: Please don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support.
[21:13] <Unit193> It's called something else in K, don't remember as I don't really use it. Muon? Anyway, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:13] <Xiziuz> ok. ty ill try that :P
[21:15] <Xiziuz> its working :D tysm
[21:16] <Unit193> Sure. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is something else that'll install new kernels and such.
[21:16] <Xiziuz> and searched for muon, and yes it is :D
[21:16] <Unit193> Mel got you in the other channel too.
[21:44] <roswitha> hi all. got a question. I'm running ubuntu on a notebook with 512 MB RAM. Should I use Unity 2d?
[21:44] <roswitha> I ask because I want to increase the size of the icons in the launcher. Can't do that in Unity 2d...
[21:45] <Unit193> Well, you'd have to see if you can live with that, and if you can't there are other options such as Xubuntu since some think it's a little like Gnome2.
[21:47] <roswitha> My mom uses the notebook. After I found out how much RAM it has, I installed Lubuntu with LXDE. Thing is, my mom's eyes are real bad and there's no option to increase text size for the whole OS as in ubuntu
[21:49] <roswitha> so should I use unity 2d on a system with 512 MB RAM?
[21:51] <Unit193> I haven't installed Unity once on my system, and I never said anything about Lubu this time. :P
[21:51] <Unit193> Also, I need to leave 5 minutes ago, someone else should be around?
[23:35] <lukjad> Can anyone here help me with this issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11721072
[23:36] <urfr332gO> lukjad, did you look in printers to see if there was a driver there?
[23:37] <lukjad> urfr332gO How do you mean?
[23:37] <urfr332gO> lukjad, ubuntu has many drivers already.
[23:38] <lukjad> urfr332gO When I installed it the printer refused to work, was listed as "Generic Text Only printer."
[23:38] <lukjad> So I had to manually install it
[23:41] <urfr332gO> lukjad, I understand, but maybe it is the same but in printers your driver will be scanned and if there is adriver available it will ask if you want it installed, just curious if you started there.
[23:41] <urfr332gO> printer scanned that is
[23:42] <lukjad> urfr332gO It installed it automatically, detected the right version. But it doesn't work.
[23:42] <lukjad> I have to force an install using dkpg
[23:42] <urfr332gO> lukjad, ah, bummer, not sure really.
[23:43] <lukjad> urfr332gO It's just frustrating that I can't install anything without reinstalling my printer
[23:54] <E3D3> I installed another distro (Blag), edited fstab and hoped to reach my Ubuntu & Storage partition. But now I need certain rights. Anyone who can point me in the right direction ?


[04:56] <micahg> ajmitch: are you taking the asterisk merge?
[04:56] <ajmitch> micahg: I've been putting it off, but I'll do it if you prefer :)
[04:56] <ajmitch> I see there was another DSA for it today
[04:57] <micahg> ajmitch: please, yeah, another DSA, I've got no time this month apparently :9
[04:57] <micahg> :(
[04:57] <ajmitch> ok
[04:57] <ajmitch> there weren't that many changes remaining from what I recall, I'm not sure how relevant they still are
[04:57]  * micahg is supposed to upload libav-extra and has pushed it off again
[04:59]  * ajmitch thinks we can probably drop changes for backporting to hardy
[04:59]  * micahg isn't sure about the hardy stuff, the other two changes probably need to be kept
[04:59] <ajmitch> the arm fix ended up being a 1-character change
[04:59] <micahg> well, hardy server is supported for another 10 months
[05:00] <micahg> if it's the last change we can certainly drop it I think
[05:00] <ajmitch> the file says it's:
[05:00] <ajmitch> # Hook for automatic backports at Buildserver.NET
[05:00] <ajmitch> debian/backports/hardy is just a set of sed statements
[05:01] <micahg> {sid|etch|sarge|feisty|edgy|dapper} doesn't seem promising
[05:01] <micahg> ajmitch: your call :)
[05:02] <ajmitch> I'll take a look based on what's remaining
[05:02]  * ajmitch needs an armhf box to build on :)
[05:07] <micahg> stgraber: can you talk to Laibsch about adding python-support back to pastebinit?
[05:21] <ScottK> ajmitch: Let the hardy stuff die.
[05:22] <micahg> YokoZar: can  you look into merging wine from Debian, their build seems to work with gcc-4.7 (and gcc 4.5 will die as soon as mysql is fixed)
[05:30] <ajmitch> ScottK: that's my preference too
[05:32] <ScottK> micahg: You realize wine is totally forked, right?
[05:32] <micahg> ScottK: well, now that they have 1.4 in Debian it can be reintegrated? :)
[05:32] <micahg> *maybe
[05:33] <micahg> or just steal their gcc-4.7 build secrets
[05:36] <ScottK> The latter seems more likely.
[05:38]  * ajmitch hopes that 1.5.6 is uploaded to the wine PPA soon, I needed it for a critical windows application :)
[05:42]  * RAOF wonders which game*cough* critical windows applictation ajmitch is talking about :)
[05:43] <ajmitch> heh
[06:06] <YokoZar> micahg: it's probably just that 4.7 fixed the regression
[06:07] <YokoZar> ajmitch: oh all right I'll stop being lazy then :D
[06:07] <YokoZar> ajmitch: We are talking about Diablo 3 right?
[06:10] <ajmitch> YokoZar: no, WoW :)
[06:10] <ajmitch> I uploaded 1.5.6 to my PPA to get it built on i386 & amd64, haven't spotted any problems
[06:51] <YokoZar> ajmitch: does it work without the ptrace patch?
[06:51] <YokoZar> *actually wow probably didn't use the anti-debugger stuff
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[10:20] <cousteau> Package msp430-gdb conflicts with package gdb in the silliest way
[10:21] <cousteau> basically, msp430-gdb includes a directory /usr/share/gdb which conflicts with the same directory on gdb
[10:21] <cousteau> msp430-gdb's should be named /usr/share/msp430-gdb
[10:22] <cousteau> either that, or gdb should be a dependency of msp430-gdb, not sure
[13:33] <stgraber> micahg: I'll try again... IIRC he was against it for some weird reason (so I just patched it again last time)
[14:02] <Laney> vibhav: you should specify the date of your meeting on the DMB's agenda
[14:02] <Laney> July 2nd
[15:27] <vibhav> Laney: ping
[15:27] <Laney> hello
[15:27] <vibhav> Can I set the date to June 18 ?
[15:27] <Laney> no
[15:27] <Laney> a) You need to leave at least 1 week
[15:27] <vibhav> July 2nd?
[15:27] <vibhav> ah fine
[15:27] <micahg> stgraber: well, you seem to be playing whack a mole with the dh_python2 conversion
[15:27] <Laney> b) That meeting has two people already
[15:28] <vibhav> got it, thanks
[15:28] <micahg> vibhav: have you been contributing for 6 months yet?
[15:28] <vibhav> micahg: nope
[15:28]  * micahg only sees uploads back to march
[15:28] <micahg> vibhav: 6 months of contribution is usually a base requirement for membership
[15:29] <micahg> *Ubuntu
[15:29] <vibhav> ah :(
[15:30] <stgraber> micahg: also, the package simply doesn't need python-support or anything like that, it doesn't even ship a python module ;) it's really just a bunch of ini files that need to be dumped into /usr/share/pastebin.d and a python script into /usr/bin :)
[15:30] <micahg> ooh, even better
[17:08] <LordOfTime> anyone know who can answer a question regarding turnaround time from proposed to main for a non-multiverse and non-universe package?
[17:18] <stgraber> micahg: I just ported pastebinit to python3 upstream, so Laibsch will need to update the packaging to use dh_python3 now :)
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> so i didnt see any responses to my question, because i lost connection, did anyone respond?
[17:42] <ScottK> TheLordOfTime: No.
[17:42] <TheLordOfTime> very good, wanted to make sure
[17:42] <TheLordOfTime> *returns to the other channel*
[19:18] <micahg> stgraber: heh, sounds good
[20:50] <ajmitch> morning


[01:05] <StevenK> wgrant: Thoughts about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5632908/ for bug 888049 ?
[01:05] <_mup_> Bug #888049: garbo-frequently logged an oops <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/888049 >
[01:06] <StevenK> If you say it's good, I'm going to self-review the branch and land, but want your thoughts first.
[01:16] <wgrant> StevenK: It's not ideal, but it's probably OK
[01:16] <wgrant> We might want some sort of threshold
[01:16] <wgrant> But this is probably OK for now
[01:18] <StevenK> wgrant: Threshold? For what?
[01:18] <StevenK> That warning only fires if a tuner is getting killed because the script is.
[01:19] <wgrant> StevenK: Sure
[01:19] <wgrant> StevenK: But we probably sort of want to warn if it legitimately doesn't finish
[01:19] <wgrant> But not if it was blocked all the time
[01:19] <wgrant> Anyway, this seems OK
[01:19] <wgrant> for now
[01:34] <StevenK> Oh, wait a moment.
[01:35] <StevenK> The bug is about the looptuner warning, not the script warning.
[05:29] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/garbo-abort-info/+merge/154592
[05:32] <wgrant> StevenK: Can you adjust the logger's level so the tests can test what they're testing?
[05:42] <StevenK> wgrant: It's a nice plan, but doesn't love me much.
[05:51] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5633274/ fails
[05:51] <StevenK> wgrant: The INFO lines aren't printed, but everything else for those blocks is
[05:56] <wgrant> StevenK: What if you pass a custom logger into the tuner?
[05:57] <StevenK> If I create a BufferLogger, set its level to INFO and then make use of loop.log.use(), it also doesn't print INFO line
[05:59] <wgrant> StevenK: Even if you print the content of the buffer?
[06:09] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5633308/
[06:12] <wgrant> StevenK: I would suggest overriding the tuner's log argument
[06:15] <wgrant> """        Why a custom BatchNavigator is required is a great mystery and
[06:15] <wgrant>         should be documented here.
[06:15] <wgrant>         """
[06:26] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5633323/
[06:26] <StevenK> And oh dear
[06:28] <wgrant> StevenK: Have you looked at the script logging infrastructure to see how it does the level override?
[06:29] <wgrant> It probably has some custom filter preventing setLevel from working
[06:30] <StevenK> wgrant: I had a little bit of a dig, but not much.
[06:30] <StevenK> The logger stuff is ... odd
[08:45] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:57] <jam> frankban: looking here: https://launchpad.net/~gophers/+related-projects there is "golxc" is that something that should stay in ~gophers or move to ~juju?
[09:12] <frankban> jam: I don't know, I suggest to ask on #juju-dev
[09:12] <jam> sorry frankban, I was in the wrong window. Thanks for understanding
[09:13] <jam> (I was looking for Frank in #juju-dev, but didn't notice the irc window)
[09:13] <frankban> :-)
[21:23] <marcoceppi> Hi all, I'm having a weird issue using launchpadlib on Windows
[21:24] <marcoceppi> Whenever I run the script using launchpadlib I get this SSL error http://paste.ubuntu.com/5635134/
[21:24] <marcoceppi> Happens on Windows Server 2012 on EC2 and a local Windows 7 machine
[21:30] <wgrant> marcoceppi: You probably need to override the CA certificate list path
[21:31] <marcoceppi> wgrant sounds straight forward, would this need to happen in the code or on the machine?
[21:33] <wgrant> marcoceppi: SYSTEM_CA_CERTS in lazr.restfulclient._browser
[21:34] <marcoceppi> wgrant I replaced C:\Python27\Lib\site-packages\httplib2\cacerts.txt with latest from upstream without success.
[21:35] <wgrant> marcoceppi: You'll need to change the path in the module that I referenced.
[21:35] <marcoceppi> wgrant: thanks
[21:39] <marcoceppi> wgrant: so, bascially because SYSTEM_CA_CERTS is hardcoded n lazr.resfulclient._browser it'll just never be portable beyond Ubuntu?
[21:42] <wgrant> marcoceppi: There's no standard way to find a list of CA certifactes, unfortunately. A list of fallbacks could be added if someone interested did it, but that's all we have today.
[22:10] <marcoceppi> wgrant I've got a small patch that'll at least make lazr.resfulclient work on non-debian/ubuntu platforms while maintaining proper ubuntu support https://code.launchpad.net/~marcoceppi/lazr.restfulclient/system-ssl-certs/+merge/154821
[22:14] <wgrant> erm
[22:14] <wgrant> When did httplib2 become not totally insane...
[22:14] <wgrant> Huh, that actually works
[22:15] <wgrant> I guess someone must have finally convinced Python people that making it extremely awkward to use HTTPS was actually a stupid idea :)
[22:15] <wgrant> httplib2.CA_CERTS has only existed for about a year, it seems
[22:15] <wgrant> marcoceppi: It might be worth having it the other way around
[22:16] <marcoceppi> wgrant FWIW, CA_CERTS works on Windows, though I haven't tested that path directly on Ubuntu
[22:16] <wgrant> See if httplib2.CA_CERTS is importable, and if it is use that. Otherwise catch the ImportError and use the hardcoded path
[22:16] <marcoceppi> wgrant, ah that makes more sense. I'll update my merge request
[22:16] <wgrant> marcoceppi: The path is correct on Ubuntu too; the reason we didn't use it is that it didn't exist
[22:16] <wgrant> Everyone hardcoded their own paths because httplib2 was stupid :/
[22:16] <wgrant> But they finally saw sense
[22:17] <marcoceppi> glad they wised upppppp
[22:17] <marcoceppi> wow, keyboard lag
[22:17] <wgrant> Heh
[22:19] <marcoceppi> wgrant merge updated
[22:24] <wgrant> marcoceppi: Hm, actually, look at the NEWS entry in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/lazr.restfulclient/revision/134
[22:24] <wgrant> marcoceppi: Maybe httplib2's been fixed, if it works on Windows for you?
[22:25] <marcoceppi> It does work on Windows for me now, however I realize I don't have a standard cacerts.txt file. I downloaded a new one from upstream. Let me see what was bundled
[22:25] <marcoceppi> *let me try what came bundled
[22:26] <marcoceppi> Nope, the one that came with httplib2 that was downloaded earlier today works fine
[22:27] <marcoceppi> I'm able to get responses from lp, etc. So rev 134 just needs to be reversed?
[22:27] <wgrant> Which version of httplib2 are you using?
[22:28] <wgrant> For safety we might want to go with what you originally had, since old Ubuntu releases might have a bad httplib2.
[22:28] <marcoceppi> 0.8-py2.7
[22:28] <wgrant> Ah
[22:28] <wgrant> We have 0.7.2ish
[22:28] <marcoceppi> Ah, so the original commit would have been better
[22:29] <marcoceppi> Actually, shouldn't the import of CA_CERTS still throw an ImportError if it's not in 7.2ish
[22:29] <wgrant> Er yeah
[22:29] <wgrant> With the ImportError catching
[22:29] <wgrant> Indeed
[22:30]  * marcoceppi double checks
[22:30] <wgrant> So if the existing hardcoded path exists, use that. Otherwise try to import httplib2.CA_CERTS and use that.
[22:30] <wgrant> So basically what you had before, except with the CA_CERTS import guarded
[22:31] <marcoceppi> wgrant cool, I'll update the merge again
[22:31] <wgrant> Thanks.
[22:32] <marcoceppi> So, for the catch, shouldn't it actually raise an error. Because there's no CA_CERTS, and no hardcoded path available
[22:33] <marcoceppi> I feel like it'd be better to throw a more sane error there than just having the current error which is really misleading
[22:34] <wgrant> Possibly. Even the ImportError would probably be more sensible than what's there now
[22:34] <wgrant> So maybe don't catch the exception, but only try the import if the hardcoded path doesn't exist?
[22:34] <marcoceppi> wgrant: ack
[22:34] <StevenK> Which then results in people having to know why _browser is throwing an ImportError
[22:35] <wgrant> StevenK: It's going to be fairly clear
[22:35] <wgrant> Because the line will be 'from httplib2 import CA_CERTS' :)
[22:35] <czajkowski> StevenK: morning
[22:37] <StevenK> czajkowski: HAI
[22:41] <marcoceppi> wgrant: rebased and resubmitted the merge request https://code.launchpad.net/~marcoceppi/lazr.restfulclient/system-ssl-certs/+merge/154826
[22:44] <marcoceppi> Thanks for the help!
[22:44] <wgrant> marcoceppi: looks good, but I have suggested an optional change in the MP
[22:44] <wgrant> I see you've already signed the contributor agreement, so I can land this right away if you want
[22:44] <marcoceppi> wgrant: I'll just implement your change, and you can feel free to land
[22:44] <wgrant> Thanks, will do
[22:46] <marcoceppi> wgrant: awesome, this will help move things along
[23:08] <wgrant> marcoceppi: Actually, I've just had yet another thought
[23:08] <wgrant> It presumably defaults to CA_CERTS internally...
[23:08] <marcoceppi> presumably
[23:09] <wgrant> But it wouldn't really be any cleaner to avoid overriding the default, so I guess this is fine
[23:09] <wgrant> Nevermind :)
[23:10] <marcoceppi> Hopefully when all ubuntu distros are at >httplib2-0.8 this whole workaround can just be dropped. At least until httplib2 does something silly again
[23:11] <wgrant> All supported releases should have httplib2.CA_CERTS already, I think, but I don't want to rely on it just yet.
[23:12] <wgrant> (0.7.2 was backported to -security on the basis that the old one was basically impossible to secure)
[23:12]  * marcoceppi nods
[23:43] <StevenK> wgrant: What was your objection about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5635613/ ?
[23:55] <wgrant> StevenK: I don't think I saw that.
[23:55] <wgrant> 'cause that's basically ideal :)


  You are a great part of this team too.)
 I have a lot to learn from you, sometimes I don't write, but I always follow the conversations to keep up to date.
[00:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, so, I was doing a Lubuntu-related project here that I was calling "The Ultimate Guide to Lubuntu". Just like how Windows has official documentation but there's also books on how to use it (at least I know Windows 7 was this way), I was thinking of writing an informal guide to complement the Lubuntu manual to help people new to Linux be able to get a grip easier. I was going to keep this project secret until it was finished so
[00:12] <arraybolt3[m]> I wouldn't be a disappointment if I failed, but it's coming along nicely so far, so I'm wondering if y'all think it's a good idea.
[00:21] <guiverc> arraybolt3[m], I think any documentation is a good idea; I regularly see users looking for documentation on projects, easy guides etc.
[00:21] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Hey, good to see you!
[00:26] <kc2bez[m]> I agree with guiverc . Anything highlighting the project is good. As long as it doesn't take away (perhaps even references) what we already have we should be good.
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> kc2bez: Exactly. It's a complement, not a replacement.
[00:27] <arraybolt3[m]> (Great, I'm mixing my Matrix and IRC chat protocols...)
[00:27] <kc2bez[m]> Tab complete is your friend.
[00:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice, didn't know about that feature.
[01:35] <tsimonq2> Fun fact: Ctrl + R in bash will let you search for part of a previous command
[01:35] <tsimonq2> Try it, it's amazing
 I already knew that :p (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> Fun fact: Ctrl + R in bash will let you search for part of a previous command)
 "Fun fact: Ctrl + R in bash..." <- Interesting. I've been using fish shell a lot lately. Not all the time but often.
[01:47] <kc2bez[m]> Fish is not your grandad's goldfish. The memory is pretty good.
[02:08] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: If you break my s*** I know where to find you. :)
[03:26] <tsimonq2> Fair enough I guess 😂
[14:30] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-sudo
 Yeah (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-sudo)
[14:40] <tsimonq2> ✅ pcmanfm-qt
[14:40] <tsimonq2> Majority of them are done
[14:40] <tsimonq2> I want to crank the rest out today
 Great news (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> I want to crank the rest out today)
[14:46] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley: Did you see my message last night?
[14:47] <tsimonq2> Oops, forgot some stuff on the previous level... working backwards
[14:51] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: No worries, I was just wondering.
 "Simon Quigley: Did you see my..." <- Which?
[15:01] <tsimonq2> ⚠ qtermwidget - I'm expecting symbols
 "Which?" <- You figured it out. I noticed you skipped a couple and I was just wondering why.
[15:04] <kc2bez[m]> I was also wondering about bug 1966774 should that be filed against calamares-settings-ubuntu and fixed released for kinetic?
[15:05] <tsimonq2> On it
[15:05] <kc2bez[m]> ok, cool.
[15:06] <tsimonq2> Done
[15:07] <kc2bez[m]> I synced cala-settings from the archive for Kinetic to git last night. I think we are square there.
[15:07] <tsimonq2> Very nice. Thanks.
[15:07] <tsimonq2> ✅ obconf-qt
[15:31] <tsimonq2> ✅ qterminal
[15:31] <tsimonq2> ✅ qtermwidget
[15:33] <tsimonq2> What's left...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/807140a729b79f10d460cc685fd25281fc460049)
[15:34] <tsimonq2> I have about 15 minutes before I need to leave for an apt showing... I'm going to try for at least pavucontrol-qt, when I come back I'll package xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt (unless someone else wants to ;)), then the rest should be trivial
[15:35] <tsimonq2> The PPA does need some time to settle down too, since qterminal is Still depwait
 i am gonna try and spin a debomatic instance for us at some point.  think PPAs but all in qemu envs via sbuild and dedicated for lubuntu.  covid recovery comes first though.
[15:43] <tsimonq2> -1 we need weird arches
[15:44] <tsimonq2> That was the entire point of using the PPA infrastucture... for symbols pre-archive
[15:46] <tsimonq2> ✅ pavucontrol-qt, retried qterminal
[15:46]  * tsimonq2 -> afk
 *yawns*  @tsimonq2 sbuild with qemu binaries is essentially how ppa builders work now - you dont think s390x and riscv are actual riscv hardware do you?
 either way i have better things to do today than argue.  *goes back to COVID recovery*
[15:54] <kc2bez[m]> That is the reason riscv builds are so sloooow. I think it could work we just need to build on all of the same arches as the main archive cause c++ symbols are super fun.
 which is just extra definitions to sbuild with --arch= definitions.  and no crossbuilds, just (emulated) arch
 but again  covid recovery first
 "[telegram] <teward001> but again..." <- Of course.
[16:34] <tsimonq2> No, RISCV is on physical hardware
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[16:35] <tsimonq2> I'm still -1 on duplicating infrastructure
 so everything is virtual but riscv.  meh.
 the problem is the builder queues and known infra problems on the repo builders on launchpad
 but meh.
[16:54] <tsimonq2> Just retrying the last depwait for qterminal now, then moving on to that new package
[17:14] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lubuntu-team/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt-packaging
[17:14] <tsimonq2> ✅ xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt
 nice (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> ✅ xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt)
[17:25] <tsimonq2> Final list:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8e5141267127d5e1ea8ed3be1f530f69c578a8ee)
 are we then ready to test? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> Final list:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8e5141267127d5e1ea8ed3be1f530f69c578a8ee))
[17:27] <kc2bez[m]> I've got the work thing until later but if you need help with that I might be able to tonight.
[17:27] <tsimonq2> lubot: Yes, after that
[17:27] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Should be pretty quick. I'm doing all six at once. :P
[17:28] <kc2bez[m]> Ok, fair enough and makes sense.
[17:46] <arraybolt3[m]> It's almost done? (Just opening Element now)
[17:47] <tsimonq2> I'm literally just throwing all of these packages at the PPA. I'm expecting one or two to fail on misc install file stuff. I usually test build locally, but it's 6 packages, and I'm willing to bet the majority are a-OK
[17:48] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I'd say give it an hour if a miracle happens
[17:48] <tsimonq2> Probably closer to three depending on how long it takes to build and what all I need to fix
[17:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, miracles happen!
[17:48] <tsimonq2> Who knows :)
[17:50] <tsimonq2> Completely uploaded. Waiting on Launchpad.
[17:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Are there going to be any special testing procedures once everything's in order? I'm thinking maybe we should have a custom ISO with the new LXQt in the event it doesn't make it into the daily so that we can live session test. (Unless restarting SDDM is going to be enough.
[17:51] <arraybolt3[m]> )
[17:52] <tsimonq2> As someone who has tried to make an ISO before, perhaps we'd be better off giving manual instructions
[17:52] <tsimonq2> Good thought though
[17:52] <tsimonq2> And you're close... all you do is add a PPA and upgrade
[17:52] <tsimonq2> also
[17:52] <tsimonq2> 🔴 lxqt-panel
[17:52] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. I'm remembering that attempting to upgrade Kubuntu 22.04 from the kubuntu-backports PPA in the live session resulted in a desktop crash every time for me, so I'm worried that LXQt might do the same thing even if it's working.
[17:53] <arraybolt3[m]> (Though I'm guessing that the upgrade is probably done after the install looking at what you just said about the PPA.)
[17:54] <tsimonq2> 🔴 lxqt-themes
[17:54] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nah, you should be fine
[17:54] <tsimonq2> Just restart your session after the upgrade
[17:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Perfect.
[17:55] <tsimonq2> 🔴 lximage-qt
 Done this in past with lxqt - with no problems (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nah, you should be fine)
 "[telegram] <teward001> but again..." <- Man, you got hit with Covid too? I recovered from it last year, it was horrible. Get well soon!
[18:18] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-panel
[18:18] <tsimonq2> tbh once that builds y'all should be good to upgrade
[18:18] <tsimonq2> give it another... mhhh hour or so
[18:18] <tsimonq2> but here's the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4856/+packages
[18:19] <tsimonq2> ⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠⚠ add it in a VM or something
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh I'm so totally doing it on bare-metal first now.
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (LOL jk)
[18:19] <tsimonq2> can't say I didn't warn you ;)
 ok will wait ..lxqt-panel and themes faild (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> tbh once that builds y'all should be good to upgrade)
[18:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (But I am going to do it on bare metal at some point. It's OK, I have a dedicated test system just for bare-metal tests.)
[18:19] <tsimonq2> -themes are the generic upstream themes, and you can live without lximage-qt
[18:20] <tsimonq2> That being said, I'm working on those packages now
 also testing only baremetal
[18:20] <tsimonq2> bahahaha
[18:20] <tsimonq2> I love you guys
[18:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Leokolb: Alright, I revoke my "jk". I **am** testing it on bare metal first, on my HP Elitebook 8570p. Just... Simon Quigley , it's not going to catch the PC on fire or anything, right?
[18:22] <tsimonq2> Nope, just know that it's been a good year or two since I've updated a stack of anything
 water=no fire
[18:22] <tsimonq2> I used to be half decent at it
[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Leokolb: LOL
[18:22] <tsimonq2> So I guess we'll have to see if I screwed up somewhere :P
 whiskey=fire
[18:22] <arraybolt3[m]> FTBFS: Failed To Boot From Simon
[18:22] <tsimonq2> bahahaha
[18:22] <tsimonq2> oh if only you knew...
[18:22] <tsimonq2> hold on let me see if I can find it
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, I know. I've written many a piece of seriously flawed software in my day. One time it slaughtered my source code directory.
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (My software, not yours.)
[18:23] <arraybolt3[m]> (As in, my software caused the problem.)
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 👍
[18:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Leokolb: Don't immerse your computer in anything but heat-conductive epoxy. Water will kill it.   Just stick with air.
[18:24] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or epoxy.)
[18:27] <arraybolt3[m]> (OK, I'll stop with the off-topic stuff now. Warning duly noted, I've got the ability to create new installation USBs as needed if anything blows up. And I'll also test in a VM.)
[18:33] <tsimonq2> I think I finally have lxqt-themes...
[18:40] <tsimonq2> ✅ lximage-qt
[18:40] <tsimonq2> Getting there...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/3bced483f04123320bdf4378ac6320946dbb0b36)
[18:42] <tsimonq2> lxqt-panel is still working, qps raises an eyebrow but I suspect that's with lxqt-core or similar, and I may have to bump deps in lubuntu-desktop
[18:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Alrighty then! Looks like we've got everything for amd64 but the two non-essentials. Time to make a mess.
[18:44] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-themes
[18:44] <tsimonq2> Now we just wait for it to all settle down...
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, quick question... *how* do I add the PPA? I'm used to the fancy "to add software from this untrusted repository, run this command sequence: abcdefg", but I don't see that here, and I'm not sure if I can extrapolate the right command from the URL.
[18:52] <tsimonq2> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/4856
[18:52] <tsimonq2>  * `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/4856`
[18:52] <arraybolt3[m]> thx
[18:52] <tsimonq2> of course
 all published
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[18:54] <tsimonq2> ok so every package being removed is cool besides the last two
[18:54] <arraybolt3[m]> My system only had to get a few thousand kilobytes... is that bad?
[18:55] <tsimonq2> all good
[18:55] <arraybolt3[m]> (I'm on Kinetic on my test system.)
[18:55] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, install done, just hit Reboot. Aaaaaand...
 Broken (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> OK, install done, just hit Reboot. Aaaaaand...)
 XD
[18:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually, desktop showed up!
 Great!!!! (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Actually, desktop showed up!)
[18:56] <arraybolt3[m]> And I can already see a bug fix worked!
[18:57] <arraybolt3[m]> What was that bug with QTerminal where "start with presets" had no effect or something? That one's fixed.
[18:58] <arraybolt3[m]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qterminal/+bug/1917347
 confirmed - term bug fixed
 confirm success dell optiplex desktop and dell 7280 latitude laptop -all good so far
[18:59] <tsimonq2> Yay!
[19:00] <tsimonq2> Any new features?
 still exploring
[19:00] <arraybolt3[m]> It now opens with two terminals when you choose "2 terminals horizontally".
[19:01] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Yep. "Open in Terminal" button in PCManFM-QT when you right-click.
[19:01] <arraybolt3[m]> And the button works.
 you can make the desktop bigger on high resolution screens
 or 4 if you perfer (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> It now opens with two terminals when you choose "2 terminals horizontally".)
 ^prefer
[19:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Sadly, the qtpass bug is still there. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtpass/+bug/1945371
[19:04] <kgiii> Huh... I just let Quassel connect in the live instance and it connects to Debian's IRC instead of libera.chat. I dunno how long it has been t his way. I normally just make sure it opens properly.
[19:05] <arraybolt3[m]> kgiii: It was set to that by default on Ubuntu Studio Jammy I believe.
 about lxqt .  what version do you have?
 1.1.0
[19:05] <arraybolt3[m]> 1.1.0
 think it worthwhile to take a good look here ;https://lxqt-project.org/release/2022/04/15/lxqt-1-1-0/
 a lot to explore and take some time
[19:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Very good idea, that way I'm not just blindly checking stuff.
[19:07] <kgiii> I missed the first part of what yo usaid @LeoK. but starting with multiple terminal panes still isn't working here.
 did you do the upgrade? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kgiii> I missed the first part of what yo usaid @LeoK. but starting with multiple terminal panes still isn't working here.)
[19:08] <arraybolt3[m]> kgiii: LXQt 1.1.0 just hit Simon's PPA.
[19:09] <arraybolt3[m]> `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/4856`
[19:09] <kgiii> Oh, no, I'm just testing the daily build. So, it's not in today's ISO. I don't generally have time to test all the other intracies - but I'll try to get that one into my schedule.
 could you login? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kgiii> Oh, no, I'm just testing the daily build. So, it's not in today's ISO. I don't generally have time to test all the other intracies - but I'll try to get that one into my schedule.)
[19:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: OK, well, the bit with xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt and Firefox ain't happening for me. Firefox's file dialog still looks badly out of place (probably because of Snap, I would guess).
[19:11] <kgiii> No, I don't have a user on Debian's server. It connects to irc.debian.org...
 sorry i meant on the QA testing site (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kgiii> No, I don't have a user on Debian's server. It connects to irc.debian.org...)
[19:13] <tsimonq2> 3 +1s and I'll full send this puppy into the archive
[19:13] <kgiii> One moment... I am already logged in. I'll try in an incognito window.
[19:13] <tsimonq2> tsimonq2: Or I may just get trigger happy :P
[19:14] <arraybolt3[m]> AAAAA! Well, screen scaling works... 🤦
[19:14] <kgiii> I have moved from DSL to satellite, so I've got some lag while browsing. :-/
[19:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh dear, and I can't get to the Apply button to fix it now...
[19:14] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Is that a good thing?
[19:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (I set the scale factor to 2x on a 1366x768 screen...)
 why not and we test and file the needed bugs . (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> tsimonq2: Or I may just get trigger happy :P)
[19:15] <kgiii> No, I can't login - but I am already logged in with one browser session. @leokolb
 "Sadly, the qtpass bug is still..." <- QtPass isn't part of LXQt is it?
[19:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyone know how many times to hit Tab to find the Apply button in LXQt Session Settings?
[19:15] <arraybolt3[m]> (I dunno, I thought it was, but I guess I was wrong.)
 ok i notified ubuntu and they working on it - thanks (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kgiii> No, I can't login - but I am already logged in with one browser session. @leokolb)
[19:17] <kgiii> Tab twice from the default and it 'close'es it.
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Yay! Back to normal.
[19:18] <arraybolt3[m]> kgiii: Thanks!
[19:19] <kgiii> No worries. There is no 'apply' in there. O
[19:19] <kgiii> I'll give it a day to see if the Quassel defaults return to normal. If not, I'll file it as a bug. I'm sure it's an easy fix.
[19:21] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, we have a problem. After that screen scaling nonsense, my application menu is "stretched" so that there's a bunch of blank space after every item.
[19:21] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll probably have to reinstall to reproduce it...
[19:21]  * arraybolt3[m] fires up VM like I should have to begin with...
 "Huh... I just let Quassel..." <- It likely got synced from Debian. I think we had some Ubuntu delta that pointed it to libera.chat. It might be worthy of a bug report.
[19:22] <kgiii> LOL You should have made a backup.
[19:22] <tsimonq2> Updated lxqt-metapackages to pull in the new desktop portal
[19:22] <tsimonq2> Updating qps
[19:22] <kgiii> @kc2bez[m] Yeah, I figured I'd give it a day to hope that the reporting site was back online. If it's not fixed tomorrow, I'll do a bug report.
[19:23] <arraybolt3[m]> We don't do backups here. (OK, so it's a test system, it would have taken longer to restore a backup than to reinstall from scratch. I actually do keep backups of my main rig.)
[19:24] <kgiii> I'm only pretending that I'd have made a backup personally. I would not have. No, no I would not... But, it's easy enough to clone an install (in VirtualBox) and then work from the clone.
[19:24] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, man, I'mma have to zsync the latest Lubuntu Kinetic now, so this might take a while.
[19:25] <kgiii> I'm not doing anything better. Off to do a bug report!
[19:25] <arraybolt3[m]> True. Simon Quigley tried to warn me...
[19:25] <tsimonq2> Please submit upstream :)
[19:25] <tsimonq2> If they advise it's a downstream issue, we can always pull it to Launchpad
 Why not save a copy on local disk after zsync? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, man, I'mma have to zsync the latest Lubuntu Kinetic now, so this might take a while.)
[19:26] <tsimonq2> Otherwise try joining #lxqt:matrix.org if you don't know where to report it
 and blamr Simon.
 just blame Simon for everything it makes things easier
[19:26] <arraybolt3[m]> teward001: 'Ey!
 no need —they know (re @teward001: just blame Simon for everything it makes things easier)
[19:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Leokolb: I have a copy on my local disk, but my Internet isn't the fastest thing in the world (getting ~320 kilobytes per second ATM)
 Initially it looks good to me @tsimonq2 thanks for all the work
[19:28] <tsimonq2> ✅ qps
[19:28] <tsimonq2> lubot: Of course :)
 simon failed to highlight proper
[19:29] <tsimonq2> idc it's Matrix
[19:29] <arraybolt3[m]> teward001: You're using Telegram. You should be using Matrix.
 the next person to tell me to do something or use a specific tech gets a slap.  with a dead fish.
 simon gets slapped with the dead fish regardless.  :P
[19:30] <arraybolt3[m]> teward001: I've got another Kyber Crystal, you best be careful.
[19:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: OK, so the stretched menus aren't actually the fault of the display scaling, I don't think. I can trigger them by setting the Qt style to Fusion, and fix them by setting it back to Breeze.
[19:31] <arraybolt3[m]> I have to log out and log back in for the fix to work or the problem to occur.
[19:32] <tsimonq2> Nice! I'd say lxqt-session upstream
[19:33] <tsimonq2> I can't press The Big Button yet, I have to wait for qps, lxqt-metapackages, and lximage-qt
[19:33] <tsimonq2> Plus I see the Launchpad builders are currently occupied by a million and a half private jobs :P
[19:33] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: Archive rebuild I think.
[19:34] <arraybolt3[m]> teward001: Also, I've gone fishing and been slapped with dead fish before, it's just not that bad.
[19:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (Actually, that was live fish, but whatever, almost just as gross.)
[19:35] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Well, partly that, that's why the queue is so big. Doesn't explain the current wait time though since CI trains have priority over archive rebuilds
[19:35] <kgiii> Bug filed for Quassel. If you're curious, it's #1977465
[19:35] <tsimonq2> kgiii: Thank you!
[19:36] <RikMills> tsimonq2: private builds are higher priority that ci-train
[19:36] <RikMills> than
[19:36] <tsimonq2> That's what I'm saying
[19:36] <kgiii> No problem. I figured I'd do it today rather than wait. I'm not sure if I'll be able to file reports today, as I'm not done testing.
[19:36]  * tsimonq2 wonders if RikMills secretly is building KF6 in the private PPA :P
[19:37] <arraybolt3[m]> I have to go afk for a bit, c ya
[19:37] <RikMills> no, but not a bad idea ;)
[19:37] <tsimonq2> XD
[19:41] <kgiii> Also, I suspect the size of the dead fish, along with the person swinging it, would dictate how bad it is to be slapped with one. If it's a brook trout powered by me, you're gonna be fine. If it's a 4' pike powered by a professional baseball player, you're going to the hospital.
[19:42] <tsimonq2> I think only teward would have access to this besides me (and the rest of ~ubuntu-core-dev) but feel free to hit publish anyone when it's ready: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4856
[19:42] <tsimonq2> kgiii: Fair point. :P
[19:43] <kgiii> If I'm understanding correctly, you're pushing LXQt 1.1.0 out to the development branch?
[19:43] <tsimonq2> I will be shortly, yes.
[19:44] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I don't have upload privs for the new stuff so I probably can't.
[19:45] <kgiii> Fun fun fun. ('Til her daddy takes the T-Bird away)...
[20:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe I should learn how to do a PPA and try to build KF6
[20:05] <arraybolt3[m]> ?
[20:06] <tsimonq2> RikMills may know ^
[20:07] <RikMills> mope, sorry
[20:07] <RikMills> *nope
 in Matrix noumeno is registered, I should put a new one, I'm bored of it XD
[20:10] <tsimonq2> RikMills: :P
[20:10] <tsimonq2> lubot: do it XD
 Jajaja (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> lubot: do it XD)
[20:11] <tsimonq2> eew Telegram XD
[20:17] <arraybolt3[m]> How much of the frameworks does LXQt need, anyway? Up to Tier 2?
[20:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, still testing the new LXQt, the Valendas theme is missing. Appearance -> LXQt Theme -> Should be an option called Valendas in there, but there's not.
[20:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least, I think it's supposed to be in there.)
[20:30] <LeoK[m]> Quick update and got qps
[20:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Other than that, looks good to me! I didn't do an exhaustive test, but nothing went bad wrong (except for the screen scaling, which was my fault, but could use some UI help for someone to get out of that mess more easily).
[20:32] <LeoK[m]> looking forward to the next daily build - good night
[20:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Oh, and Recent Files in PCManFM-Qt doesn't seem to be doing anything. I forgot about that.)
[20:32] <LeoK[m]> Good idea to make notes etc etc ..
[20:33] <arraybolt3[m]> I did, that's how I remembered the last bug, but that's still a good reminder. Thank you!
[21:03] <tsimonq2> ⚠ publish running ⚠
[21:03] <tsimonq2> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/4856/publish/5/
[21:03] <tsimonq2> 2022-06-02 21:03:23,978 INFO Succeeded in 1m 52s
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Ladies and gentleman, we have liftoff
[21:11] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/1595#issuecomment-1145081279
[21:11] <tsimonq2> Does that accurately describe your issue?
[21:12] <tsimonq2> So this https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/pull/1596
[21:14] <tsimonq2> Here, I'll even do this for you...
[21:21] <tsimonq2> `sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:tsimonq2/throw-stuff-at && sudo apt -y full-upgrade && sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/[NAME_OF_PPA_YOU_JUST_ADDED]`
[21:22] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+archive/ubuntu/throw-stuff-at/+packages
[21:22] <tsimonq2> You must have either the CI train PPA enabled or -proposed enabled to install that
[21:22] <tsimonq2> Let me know if that fixes that issue for you
[21:23] <tsimonq2> If you test it, I'll merge it upstream
[21:35] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll test it out, but the problem I was having was that 2x scale on a small-ish screen resulted in everything being so extraordinarily big I couldn't hardly work or see what I was doing anymore. What I'd like to see is, on the first login after a scale change, a "Do these settings work for you?" box pop up, so that the user can say, "Nope."
[21:36] <kgiii> I should probably mention that I was able to file today's testing reports - because I'm still logged in from a previous session I assume. I'm pretty much always logged in with the testing tracker open in one of my many tabs.
[21:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, what PPA do I remove? The CI train or throw-stuff-at?
[21:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Oy. I will test that patch, though, 'cause the wallpaper really does look bad on a scaled display.
[21:42] <arraybolt3[m]> One last thing, "throw stuff at" seems to only have PCManFM in it. Is that right, Simon Quigley ?
[21:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Finally, nothing was installed even with the CI train PPA enabled. I'm trying proposed now to see if anything changes,
[21:49] <arraybolt3[m]> s/,/.
 "I should probably mention that I..." <- Good deal. Thanks for testing!
[21:52] <kgiii> 'Snot a problem. It's what I do, pretty much every day - so long as there's something to test. Plus I got to add a new bug. So, there's that.
[21:53] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Based on the backlog I read the throw stuff at PPA and the ci train PPA would both need to be enabled. The only thing that should happen should be an upgrade of pcmanfm-qt
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> I had both enabled, but pcmanfm-qt wasn't upgraded.
[21:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Pinging.
[21:54] <kc2bez[m]> I can give it a look in a minute.
[21:55] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm enabling -proposed on top of it all to see if that does the trick, which may just end in utter chaos (I think this is as close as Ubuntu gets to rolling-release!).
[21:56] <arraybolt3[m]> (Err, I guess Rolling Rhino exists, but you know what I meant...)
[21:56] <kc2bez[m]> Proposed can break your stuff sometimes. You probably don't need that in this case.
[21:57] <arraybolt3[m]> I read that either the CI train PPA or Proposed needed enabled, so since CI train didn't do the trick, I figured maybe I needed both.
[21:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (Yeah, doing both when told either-or is usually a bad idea, but it's a test system, who cares if it goes wrong?)
[21:58] <arraybolt3[m]> (I guess though it might slow us down, so I canceled the update, it was still only downloading stuff, not installing yet.)
[21:58] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, got rid of -proposed before any damage was done.
[21:59] <arraybolt3[m]> And now PCManFM wants to update. Perfect.
[22:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Dan Simmons : Adding the throw-stuff-at PPA didn't do anything with the wallpaper quality with the screen scaled up. However, I am noticing a disturbing screen glitch when clicking and dragging on the desktop similar to the problem in the pcmanfm-qt bug that was mentioned above, but worse. I'll take a video and try to send it to you through a YouTube link. I have the CI Train and throw-stuff-at PPAs enabled.
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Screen glitch: https://youtu.be/8a8nP6sfGuA
[22:13] <kc2bez[m]> That seems a bit like a regression.
[22:13] <arraybolt3[m]> The screen glitch only occurs when the scale factor is larger than 1.
[22:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least, very early testing suggests that.)
[22:14] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm testing to see if it's throw-stuff-at's fault or LXQt 1.1.0's fault.
[22:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, removed the throw-stuff-at PPA, downgraded PCManFM-Qt to 1.1.0-0ubuntu1, rebooted, scaled screen back up, logged out and logged back in, and the glitch is still there.
[22:20] <kc2bez[m]> Maybe not a regression then. Still weird and unexpected.
[22:21] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll see what happens in a VM with LXQt 1.1.0 (without having ever enabled throw-stuff-at), and if it's still happening, I'll file an upstream bug report. Is that a good idea?
[22:22] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yes, file it against pcmanfm-qt
[22:22] <tsimonq2> Please include screenshots and mention you tried that patch
[22:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Got it.
 Same in 0.17 with qt scale... > 1 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> I'm testing to see if it's throw-stuff-at's fault or LXQt 1.1.0's fault.)
 I have 1.4 selected with qt_scale_factor in 0.17, i have the same problem
[22:33] <arraybolt3[m]> N0um3n0: In an LXQt that's earlier than LXQt 1.1.0?
[22:33] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think that's what you said, just double-checking.)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e55dd25e/file_4498.jpg
 https://ibb.co/vDnVsGG
[22:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Both images came through. I see the scale factor, but I don't know the LXQt version. That's fine, I'll figure it out.
[22:40] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: 0.17
[22:45] <arraybolt3[m]> (That's what I thought, I just wasn't entirely sure.)
 0.17, i dont upgrade
[22:46] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[22:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (Wow, that emoji looks so much more huge and intimidating than it did in IRC - I probably won't do that again LOL)


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