[00:21] <mostafa> hey
[00:21] <mostafa> any budy here
[00:21] <mostafa> ???
[00:24] <mostafa> heeey
[00:24] <mostafa> any one
[00:28]  * phillw is lurking,
[00:28] <phillw> !topic
[00:28] <ubot2> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[00:29] <phillw> mostafa: you just need to ask a question, we do not bite :-)
[00:29] <mostafa> aha
[00:29] <mostafa> okey
[00:29] <mostafa> thnx
[00:30] <mostafa> i have ubuntu 10.4
[00:30] <mostafa> and it begane to run very slowly
[00:30] <mostafa> and i don't know why?
[00:31] <mostafa> why?
[00:31] <phillw> mostafa: can you use one line to ask a question. One of the common things that can happen with ubuntu is after a kernel update, that should however only occur on the first re-boot.
[00:31] <mostafa> i'm not professional
[00:32] <mostafa> every ten mints every thing stops for a mint then comes back to normal status
[00:32] <phillw> mostafa: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=91 has general details and a more in depth chat about it.
[00:33] <mostafa> thnx
[00:33] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: sorry for the delay.  So have you done a reinstall using a separate /boot directory?  How do you do it?
[00:33] <phillw> what is your sepecification of computer? (RAM being the important one). It could be a simple case of processing updates.
[00:42] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: yes we talked about multiboot virtualbox test.
[01:07] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: http://liveusb.info/dotclear/
[01:07] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: with that instaled on my system i am able to drag and drop iso images for testing without setting up a whole vbox vm for it
[01:20] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: yeah isn't it awesome! multiboot rocks.
[01:21] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: i'm curious if you'd actually done a reinstall using a separate /boot directory and how you do it?
[01:32] <Verminator> I have bee using freenode for a while, but only now registered, when I log on, it tells me the nick is already registered and to use "identify <password>".  why is this happening and how do i fix it?  I'm using Empathy as mu client.
[01:33] <Verminator> BTW, when I use "identify <password>", all is well, so I'm pretty sure its a configuration issue
[01:34] <zeroseven0183> Hi Verminator, if there's a similar way in Empathy to save your password of your IRC account like in Pidgin, you can set it there.
[01:35] <HoboSteaux> hey, I have a removable hd with 3 brand new ext3 partitions and all of them are read only. does anyone know how to fix this?
[01:35] <Verminator> zeroseven0183, yes, I found that option and typed in my pass and am still getting the msg
[01:38] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: i erased entire harddrive and did a manual install of ubuntu making my three seperate partitions
[01:40] <zeroseven0183> Verminator: it might be that the password enter in Empathy is not the same with the one you use to identify <password>
[01:41] <Verminator> zeroseven0183, true, trying to figure it out now
[03:29] <HoboSteaux> hey i have a removable hd with various partitions, MBR. however my router sees all of those an GUID partitions as well
[03:29] <HoboSteaux> gparted and disk utility do not see the extra partitions
[03:29] <HoboSteaux> buy my router does
[03:30] <HoboSteaux> how can i fix this?
[03:31] <nUboon2Age> does anyone here have experience with making a separate /boot partition and then doing a reinstall using it as stlsaint was discussing earlier?
[03:35] <nUboon2Age> HoboSteaux: when i read you're note and then looked on wikipedia about guid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
[03:35] <nUboon2Age> HoboSteaux: it made me wonder how big your hd is?
[03:35] <HoboSteaux> 1.5tb
[03:37] <HoboSteaux> i flattened the whole thing again nUboon2Age and the router sees nothing on it so well see what happens
[03:37] <nUboon2Age> HoboSteaux: i'm wondering if there are some inherent limits of size or ??? that you're running into.
[03:38] <HoboSteaux> i think there was an old guid partition table that did not get fully erased under the mbr
[03:39] <nUboon2Age> HoboSteaux: if gparted is capable it might be best to do the whole partitioning operation with it i'm thinking.  that way theoretically there shouldn't be partitions it can't see.
[03:40] <HoboSteaux> nUboon2Age: Im flattening it again just for saftey and doin exactly that :D
[03:40] <nUboon2Age> HoboSteaux: makes sense to me.
[03:44] <zkriesse_> yo nUboon2Age
[03:44] <nUboon2Age> hey zkriesse
[03:44] <zkriesse_> how goes it my man
[03:45] <nUboon2Age> well some good, some not so good.  we got the wifix v0.3 release out -- good.
[03:45] <zkriesse_> kewl
[03:46] <zkriesse_> nUboon2Age: noticed you drifted from wiki to bugs/dev
[03:46] <zkriesse_> very cool
[03:46] <nUboon2Age> zkriesse_ i did an update (i think a week ago yesterday) that made my installation not able to boot to gnome. :(  and i've been trying to solve it since.
[03:47] <zkriesse_> nUboon2Age: Ouch
[03:47] <zkriesse_> not fun
[03:48] <nUboon2Age> zkriesse_ first i was thinking of how to rescue it.  then i did a second installation (which is where i'm typing from right now)  then i thought rather than that
[03:49] <nUboon2Age> zkriesse_ i'd do a reinstall, but make separate /home directory.  then i heard that a separate /boot might be a good idea too.  so i'm trying to find out about why that might be a good idea and see if anyone has tried it.
[03:49] <zkriesse_> nUboon2Age: ah
[03:49] <zkriesse_> nUboon2Age: well if ya wanna chat -team
[03:50] <phillw> nUboon2Age: making a sperate /home and a re-install is probably easier.
[03:50] <nUboon2Age> zkriesse_ i'd like to find out if anyone has actually used a separate /boot (as well as /home) and done a reinstall phillw
[03:51] <phillw> nUboon2Age: seperate /boot, /opt, /var etc. are only normally used for servers - they are not needed for desktop systems
[03:52] <nUboon2Age> i mean if anyone has actually had to use the reinstall to recover after something like what happened to me phillw, zkriesse_
[03:53] <phillw> just have a sperate /home. if you cannot boot then there are two solutions that do not even need a re-install that I would suggest 1st.
[03:54] <phillw> in fact, you can make that 3 ways around it :-)
[03:56] <phillw> 1) re-install the kernel, 2) re-install GRUB, 3) install something like kubutnu / xubuntu  and remove gnome, then you can re-install gnome.
[03:58] <nUboon2Age> phillw: are you saying that based on already having a separate /home or even without it?
[04:00] <phillw> you do not need a seperate /home to do any of those
[04:02] <nUboon2Age> so far w/o a separate /home i tried  reinstalling the kernel, and reconfigured GRUB 2, and then did a second installation of Ubuntu, and tried reinstalling ubuntu-desktop.  without luck.
[04:02] <phillw> 1) is covered at http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35  2) is covered at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[04:03] <nUboon2Age> having the second Ubuntu install at least allowed me to semi-operate in the meantime though w/o some important functions
[04:04] <phillw> if you need 3), it is not too difficult. it is covered in the psychocats area.
[04:04] <nUboon2Age> for sure i'm saving those links. :)
[04:06] <phillw> nUboon2Age: to go via 3) http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce followed by http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[04:07] <phillw> ig your gnome still does not work, then there is something in your /home area causing it to fail. for that you'd need a gnome person to assist.
[04:07] <nUboon2Age> for a while now since i learned about Tomboy i use it and sync all these notes up using Ubuntu One so i don't lose them.  really great help.
[04:07]  * phillw does not know what config files gnome stores in ~home
[04:11] <phillw> I'd really recommend you get a seperate /home which is covered at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[04:12] <nUboon2Age> phillw: yes i've been wanting that since i learned about it.
[04:14]  * phillw used the psychocats version perfectly well, but aysiu now suggests people follow the community guide. the pyschocats one is at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[04:17] <nUboon2Age> could you repeat that last line please phillw?
[04:19] <nUboon2Age> i'm using a different chat client than normal and i think i mistakenly just cleared the history/screen.
[04:19] <phillw> used the psychocats version perfectly well, but aysiu now suggests people follow the community guide. the pyschocats one is at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[04:23] <nUboon2Age> thank you phillw. ;)
[04:27] <phillw> nUboon2Age: you are more than welcome.
[07:16] <bdogg> how do you enable accelerated composting on chrome in ubuntu?
[07:30] <zeroseven0183> Hi bdogg
[07:30] <zeroseven0183> accelerated compositing for Chrome will be implemented on Chrome 7
[07:32] <zeroseven0183> but I think you can add --enable-accelerated-compositing from the shortcut of Google Chrome
[08:05] <dmdmdm> hi, I've got a couple of questions (i've not used ubuntu before and have very, very limited experience with redhat many years ago) relating to 3 different requests for advice. 1. I have a toshiba tecra m7 tabletpc, does ubuntu support tablet input, or does it require lots of tinkering? ; 2. I have an asus t91 (multitouch) eepc, similar questions as found in 1 above ; 3. I have a
[08:05] <dmdmdm> crashed HD on dell xps m1530, was planning on installing a new, larger HD (640GB) and thinking about dual boot with vista and wanted thoughts on partition size and whether I should have a windows os partition, a data partition and the linux partitions (my experience with redhat involved a "data drive") or other partitioning scheme.  Thanks for your feedback.
[08:31] <dmdmdm> should my questions be directed to a different channel?
[08:33] <seidos> dmdmdm, you can check to see if your the toshiba table pc has been used by anybody, and rated it at http://www.ubuntuhcl.org
[08:34] <seidos> same with the eeepc.  i've never tried installing ubuntu on an eeepc, but i know people are doing it
[08:37] <dmdmdm> thanks seidos, i looked on a webforum re:eeepc and it seems that install requires some know-how and still isn't perfect, I will check re:toshiba
[08:38] <seidos> dmdmdm, as far as partition sizes...i found this website:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/partitioning.  but i haven't dual booted in ages, so i'm afraid i can't make a solid recommendation.  there may be users in here that do, so if you're patient, you could get a response from them perhaps.
[08:40] <hobgoblin> dmdmdm: re partitioning - depends what you want to do and hwo much space you have to start with
[08:40] <hobgoblin> and how the partitions are set up at present ...
[08:44] <dmdmdm> right now 640GB on fresh drive - still slave to MS so must have - mostly want ubuntu to test out/learn and be able to complement if MS fails - was thinking 60GB vista, 60GB ubuntu and remainder as a data drive accessible from either
[08:45] <dmdmdm> @seidos - toshiba tecra m7 not listed with ubuntu
[08:46] <seidos> dmdmdm, then it's a risky endeavor.
[08:47] <dmdmdm> it would be either way with me installing
[08:49] <hobgoblin> 60Gb for ubuntu would be more than sufficient
[08:49] <seidos> well, you would be the pioneer on that hardware, apparently.  so, depends on how brave you are.
[08:54] <dmdmdm> ahem, this is the "beginners" channel...it just seems to me that this older computer could be fairly snappy running linux, i would just hate to lose the tablet functionality (even though it sits unused)
[08:59] <hobgoblin> dmdmdm: yep - this is the beginners channel - your point is?
[09:00] <dmdmdm> thanks hobgoblin, i was looking at the psychocats site seidos offered, it suggests windows as ntfs, /home partition as shared data as ext3, ubuntu sys as ext3 and swap - any implications as having /home partition as ext3 vs ntfs shared data since will be on windows most of the time?
[09:00] <hobgoblin> you can download the iso and burn and then boot with it - check the toshiba - that's what the livecd is for - if it works install it - if it doesn't check the specific bit's that don't
[09:01] <dmdmdm> hobgoblin, my point before re:beginners channel referenced seidos' bravery comment
[09:01] <hobgoblin> personally I have /home within / and don't bother with the seperate home - all my data lives on other partitions
[09:02] <hobgoblin> dmdmdm: aah see my previous then about trying it :)
[09:02] <dmdmdm> hmmm, that is a good plan hobgoblin, does the livecd carry wacom(?) capabilities then?
[09:03] <dmdmdm> hobgoblin, which other partitions, may I ask?
[09:05] <hobgoblin> I have to other data partitions, one for stuff and one for media ;)
[09:05] <hobgoblin> the livecd might - I've never needed to know tbh - but you can install some things while using the livecd
[09:09] <dmdmdm> ahh, i wasn't aware of that, i'm liking  the livecd testbed
[09:09] <somethinginteres> hi, how can I set up Lucid so that in the Messaging Menu: Broadcast, Chat and Mail are all active on boot, like they have arrow next to them? Also how do I make sure that when closing evolution it stays active in the messaging menu? Thanks
[09:13] <dmdmdm> hobgoblin and seidos, thank you for your guidance, I will give the livecd a try on the toshiba tablet, skip eepc t91 for now and leave space for ubuntu on the fresh drive
[09:14] <seidos> dmdmdm, cool
[09:16] <hobgoblin> good luck then
[09:23] <hobgoblin> somethinginteres: you're not being ignored - look like no-one is about to answer you - I would if I could but I remove all the 'me' stuff
[09:25] <jemark> what's the question?
[09:27] <somethinginteres> hobgoblin: that's alright, I figure if people know they'll pitch in :) jemark: my question is "how can I set up Lucid so that in the Messaging Menu: Broadcast, Chat and Mail are all active on boot, like they have arrow next to them? Also how do I make sure that when closing evolution it stays active in the messaging menu? Thanks"
[09:28] <hobgoblin> somethinginteres: just making sure you knew so you didn't wander of muttering to yourself :)
[09:29] <somethinginteres> hobgoblin: haha duly noted. :)
[09:29] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:31] <somethinginteres> perhaps all ask another while I wait. I currently have my box setup so /home is on a different partition. When I want to install Ubuntu 10.10 once it comes out (from a fresh install) will the install by default just leave my /home intact and just install the OS?
[09:31] <jemark> somethinginteres, it's possible to startup those applications at boot. you can go to System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications. Then add the application that you want to start at boot up. As for as I know it's not possible to leave the Evolution program open when closing. There is a third party application called "close to tray" (you can google it) that will close appliations to tray but that option is not available in Evolution itself.
[09:32] <jemark> somethinginteres, yes, you can leave the /home intact when you install 10.10
[09:32] <somethinginteres> jemark: will look into it. Thanks
[09:33] <somethinginteres> jemark: awesome.
[09:33] <jemark> somethinginteres, I have skype for example start up at boot.
[09:33] <jemark> somethinginteres, which chat program do you use?
[09:34] <somethinginteres> I think it's 'Empathy' I want to use it for Facebook chat and Google talk it's all setup golden but I just want it to be active in the msg menu on boot
[09:35] <jemark> somethinginteres, ok, then you add empathy in the startup application, the same you do with evolution. I use pidgin for chat.
[09:36] <somethinginteres> jemark: right, no worries. Thanks for that
[09:37] <jemark> :)
[10:36]  * jemark is away: Away
[10:36]  * jemark is back (gone 00:00:27)
[17:39] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:03] <bdogg> hey, does anyone know how to use tags in chrome dev, to enable extra features?
[18:03] <bdogg> like in how you do in windows
[20:04] <tdn> Sound is not working. It usually do. How to debug and fix this? I use Kubuntu Lucid.
[20:06] <tdn> Fixed it: alsamixer: for some reason PCM was set to 0.
[21:09] <smeag0l> http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_15990184 Fake chips threaten military
[21:24] <arespredator> what a quiet support channel:)
[23:38] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[23:38] <kosaidpo> does anyone kno how to add a note on a facebook page ?? tnx
[23:39] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: I'm sorry? I guess I don't understand the relevance of the question. What browser are you using?
[23:40] <kosaidpo> chromuim
[23:40] <kosaidpo> you kno on facebook
[23:40] <kosaidpo> when i try to publish this long status they say icant
[23:41] <kosaidpo> so ineed to post it as note
[23:41] <kosaidpo> you got me
[23:41] <kosaidpo> but dinot kno from where i can post one
[23:43] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: I have that problem on Opera as well. I don't think the Facebook designers test on these browsers, so if there's a compatibility problem then they break.
[23:43] <kosaidpo> uhm i gues you didnt get me
[23:43] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: If you really need Notes, then all I've been able to do is install another browser.
[23:43] <kosaidpo> it has nethin to do with browser i guess
[23:44] <kosaidpo> to add note ??
[23:44] <kosaidpo> uhm
[23:44] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Wait, what?
[23:44] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Oh, I understand what you're saying. By "note" you meant "comment".
[23:44] <kosaidpo> yeh
[23:44] <kosaidpo> but its note
[23:45] <kosaidpo> that long text u post on ur fb
[23:45] <kosaidpo> as an entry
[23:45] <kosaidpo> you kno abt sumthin you like or u lived
[23:45] <kosaidpo> idk
[23:45] <kosaidpo> sumthin like this
[23:45] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Wh- th-.... You mean your profile?
[23:45] <kosaidpo> yeshh
[23:46] <kosaidpo> aveilleux: you got me now :D
[23:46] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: I'm not sure... I'm not having that issue with Chromium. Have you tried clearing your browser's cache?
[23:48] <kosaidpo> noo
[23:48] <kosaidpo> for ex
[23:48] <kosaidpo> you wanna add a note
[23:48] <kosaidpo> on ur profile
[23:48] <kosaidpo> whee do u go
[23:48] <kosaidpo> i cant see any link to sdo so
[23:48] <kosaidpo> you got me now
[23:48] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Uhm... View your Profile, then look at the top. There should be a tab labeled "notes". If there isn't, then you can click the plus sign ( + ) to the right and add Notes to your profile.
[23:48] <kosaidpo> ok
[23:48] <kosaidpo> and how abt if i have a page
[23:48] <kosaidpo> of sumthin
[23:48] <kosaidpo> like product
[23:49] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: If you 'Like' a Page, it's added to your Profile under Info
[23:49] <kosaidpo> no i made a page
[23:49] <kosaidpo> and iwanna add anote to it
[23:51] <kosaidpo> how can i do it
[23:51] <kosaidpo> ??
[23:51] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Again, on the Page: Click the + on the right of the other tabs (next to Discussion) and click Notes.
[23:52] <kosaidpo> yeh i tyoed it but nethin showed up
[23:52] <kosaidpo> i guess i shud add it as pplaication but idk how
[23:53] <kosaidpo> ahh
[23:53] <kosaidpo> i see
[23:53] <kosaidpo> its as an article
[23:53] <kosaidpo> i guess
[23:53] <kosaidpo> : D
[23:53] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: I'm not familiar with the intricacies of Facebook, sorry.


[04:33] <inetpro> good mornings
[04:57] <Kilos> morning all
[05:42] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:42] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[05:56] <Kilos> hi Xethron ThatGraemeGuy
[05:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :-)
[06:35] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist_
[06:51] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, you didnt pull in for kaaings
[06:52] <Kilos> i ate me dik
[06:52] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[07:08] <Squirm> morning
[07:10] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can send me some
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> just not via SA post office, it'll never arrive
[07:14] <Kilos> haha via email?
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, courier, i have no internet at home :P
[07:14] <Kilos> eish still
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup, 4 weeks now
[07:15] <Kilos> thats a bad show on telkoms part
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> telkom don't care about the customer, lets not pretend otherwise
[07:15] <Kilos> just now they will tell you they not replacing cables because of theft and offer you a free telkom mobile phone
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> fat lot of good that will do
[07:16] <Kilos> are you in a far out area loike rural
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm looking at wireless, so far the best option seems to be R549 for 2Mbps
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> or 749 for 4Mbps
[07:16] <Kilos> wireless from where?
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm on the urban edge
[07:18] <Kilos> make friends with all neighbours and local communities and let them collect for fibre
[07:18] <Kilos> some towns are doing that
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/Protea+Village,+Cape+Town/@-33.8898663,18.7175102,3739m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x1dcc53d6e5b470b9:0x51f1b2478df0f6b7
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> protea village is where i am
[07:19] <Kilos> ah
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you look on that map where the words "protea village" are, i'm almost directly below the E in village
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> below "protea village" is an open green piece
[07:20] <Kilos> whew outside edge
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> and below that another green piece, which is a hill and i'm on the down slope of it
[07:20] <Kilos> where can you get wireless, are there towers close by
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> so all the WUG stuff is out of my sight
[07:21] <Kilos> eish
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> wireless from snowball internet, the tower i suspect is on a high hill to the southeast on that map
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> i need to contact them, but after payday only
[07:21] <Kilos> like me . the ptawug has wireless right past here to brits
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> installation cost is just under R3k
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> why don't you get on the wug?
[07:22] <Kilos> but in this whole i gotta get expensive equipment to get them and they dont off internet
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> not officially no :)
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> but if you have a friend on the wug you could do a vpn thing
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> but the wug as an organisation cannot sell internet access
[07:23] <Kilos> ive chatted to them some even offered to get ubuntu upgrades and isos for me once im on the wug
[07:24] <Kilos> there are quite a few ubuntu users in this wug
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i am sure 1 or 2 are even mirroring repos
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think there are guys on ctwug that do
[07:24] <Kilos> ah
[07:25] <Kilos> if i had 3k id buy an i5 cpu for this pc
[07:25] <Kilos> 3k
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> wtf really
[07:25] <Kilos> lol ya man
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'd rather spend 3k on a laptop
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> no need to buy fancy hardware that sits idle for 99% of its life
[07:26] <Kilos> no dont like them with the mouse goody and battery charging and all that and screens too small
[07:27] <Kilos> using that pad thing as a mouse is something you must get used to
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah they should invent some way for you to plug in a regular mouse, that would make it a bit better
[07:28] <Kilos> oh but also im looking into telkom wireless atm, they have a hotspot just over 1k from here
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> and while they're at it, they can make a way for you to connect a nice big LCD to a laptop too
[07:28]  * ThatGraemeGuy runs
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[08:00] <charl> good morning
[08:00] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:00]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:09] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:09] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:15] <magespawn> good morning all
[08:29] <charl> hi magespawn
[08:29] <charl> hi Xethron, bduk
[08:29] <charl> how are you all doing today
[08:30] <magespawn> hi charl
[08:30] <magespawn> Busy recovering a lodge network from a lightening strike.
[08:30] <charl> bah
[08:31] <magespawn> lots of fun
[08:35] <bduk> Lekker man lekker
[09:15] <Kilos> hi charl magespawn
[09:15]  * Kilos been repairing fences that cut temselves at night
[09:25] <bushtech> lol
[09:27] <Kilos> 3 placesin the same span and 5 of the 9 wires cut
[09:27] <Kilos> swines
[09:45] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[09:52] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:54] <gremble> o/
[09:55] <charl> hi gremble
[09:56] <charl> any experiences with libressl yet ?
[09:56] <charl> openbsd 5,6 ships with it
[10:21] <gremble> I don't think I have ever used OpenBSD
[11:25] <magespawn> charl, just had a read over the Libressl wikipedia page, looks like they are making quick work so far
[11:54] <charl> yes indeed :D
[12:40] <Kilos> bushtech, last resort hey -f
[12:40] <Kilos> hehe
[12:41] <Kilos> i actually find it very useful with fsck -f /dev/sdb  and on externals
[12:42]  * Kilos hides from the pro
[12:51] <bushtech> after listening to the pro I'm a bit wary heh heh
[12:51] <bushtech> but I don't break things as well as you
[13:00] <Squirm> how is everyone?
[13:02] <superfly> Busy, how are you?
[13:10] <Squirm> superfly: quite well. enjoying the new job
[13:10] <Squirm> damn hot today too
[13:11] <superfly> just wait till Feb...
[13:12] <Squirm> yeah, I hear it's awesome then
[13:12] <Squirm> glad I work in an aircon'd office though
[13:12] <Squirm> will have to go for surfing lessons
[13:32] <Kilos> dit voel of dit wil kom storm later en reen hopelik
[13:33] <Kilos> Squirm, can you roller skate and ice skate?
[13:33] <Kilos> surfing is all about balance
[13:33] <Kilos> hi superfly
[13:37] <superfly> hi Kilos
[13:38] <Squirm> Kilos: I can do that + water ski + wakeboard
[13:38] <Kilos> then youll find it easy man
[13:39] <Squirm> superfly: anything exciting happening in the area this weekend?
[13:39] <Squirm> Will go and have a look at the Volvo Ocean Race yachts at some point
[13:39] <superfly> Squirm: I don't know... I don't get out much, just going to the shops and back is outing enough with 3 kids
[14:19] <Squirm> superfly: fair enough
[14:40] <magespawn> chat later all
[14:54] <Squirm> oooh
[14:54] <Squirm> I have internet
[14:54] <Squirm> work pays for my 5Gb
[14:55] <Squirm> hope the MTN 3G reception is better than my vodacom
[15:07] <Kilos> boom boom power gone, 10 drops rain and power back
[15:20] <Kilos> nou jakkals en wolf gaan trou
[15:54] <Squirm> oooh
[15:54] <Squirm> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3891428532
[15:54] <Squirm> Kilos: that's my Portable AP speed
[15:54] <Kilos> lemme see
[15:54] <Squirm> Trixar_za: have a look too ^^
[15:55] <Squirm> Kilos: wait
[15:55] <Squirm> forget that
[15:55] <Squirm> look at this :P
[15:55] <Squirm> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3891436233
[15:55] <Kilos> thasts good speed
[15:55] <Squirm> That's amazing
[15:55] <Squirm> super speed!
[15:55] <Kilos> wow
[15:56] <Kilos> how did you get it so fast
[15:57] <Kilos> hi somaunn
[15:57] <Kilos> what broke
[15:58] <Squirm> Maaz: ?
[15:58] <Maaz> Squirm: Excuse me?
[15:58] <Squirm> Kilos: dunno
[15:58] <Squirm> must be better reception
[15:58] <Kilos> thats very good,
[16:01] <Kilos> Squirm, lte?
[16:01] <Squirm> no, just 3G
[16:01] <Kilos> wow
[16:03] <Kilos> what modem Squirm ?
[16:03] <Kilos> whats a portable AP
[16:04] <Squirm> Mifi router
[16:05] <Kilos> ah
[16:05] <Squirm> huawei e5331s
[16:05] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[16:05] <Kilos> so that picks up a wifi signal?
[16:05] <somaunn> how are all the big UB bros today ?
[16:06] <Kilos> we all good ty and you
[16:06] <somaunn> someone tried out UB 14.10 ???
[16:06] <Kilos> some of the guys yes
[16:06] <somaunn> i'm like a fish in a water escaping from a fisherman .... lekker
[16:06] <Kilos> lol
[16:08] <Squirm> Kilos: it creates a wireless hotspot. so I can connect up to 5 wireless devices to it
[16:08] <Kilos> cool
[16:11] <Kilos> and th incoming connection is adsl ?
[16:11] <Kilos> oh you said 3g
[16:11] <Kilos> very impressive
[16:12] <Kilos> what isp
[16:17] <Squirm> Afrihost
[16:18] <Kilos> oh same as graeme
[16:18] <Kilos> theymtn peeps i think
[16:18] <Squirm> yes
[16:19] <Squirm> I think it's the 5Gb deal. Want to speak to them and see if they can up it to 10Gb and I can pay the R200 difference
[16:19] <Squirm> 10Gb+10Gb
[16:20] <Squirm> Maaz: ?
[16:20] <Maaz> Squirm: *blink*
[16:21] <Kilos> price?
[16:21] <Kilos> oh you not paying for it
[16:21] <Squirm> like... R700 I think
[16:21] <Squirm> or R500
[16:21] <Squirm> but they're already paying about R300 for this deal, so I'll pay the difference
[16:22] <Kilos> ok
[16:22] <Kilos> thats nice of them thought
[16:22] <Kilos> normally home connecting is your prob
[16:22] <Squirm> it's meant for work, so I can connect externally
[16:23] <Kilos> so they say a
[16:23] <Squirm> but my boss explained that as I get more and more involved, it's priority is business. so until then, it's for me to be connected. he knows I had no internet
[16:23] <Kilos> sounds like a nice guy
[16:24] <Squirm> he is
[16:24] <Kilos> im happy for you lad
[16:24] <somaunn> how n
[16:25] <somaunn> Squirm: how many gig you get per month with afrihost ?
[16:25] <Squirm> somaunn: I THINK it's 5Gb+5Gb
[16:25] <Squirm> not 100% sure
[16:26] <Squirm> download speed up to 650Kb/s
[16:27] <Squirm> 950
[16:27] <Squirm> I could live with that :P
[16:28] <Kilos> ya you get an iso in under 20 mins
[16:31] <Squirm> I'm happy now :P
[16:31] <Squirm> just need to up my data
[16:31] <Squirm> then I'll actually be happy
[16:31] <somaunn> 5Gb Up + 5Gb Down right ?
[16:33] <Kilos> 5 after midnight
[16:34] <somaunn> On my side here my isp "Airtel" gives me 90Gb per month (3Gig download max per day) for R957,170
[16:34] <Squirm> somaunn: 5Gb from between 12am and about 7am
[16:34] <Squirm> to use monthly
[16:34] <somaunn> for a speed of 450Kb/s
[16:35] <Squirm> so 5Gb monthly, for normal daily use, then I can use the night surfer stuff to download other stuff late at night
[16:35] <Squirm> so if I get the 10Gb+10Gb, then that's awesome
[16:39] <somaunn> okay Squirm
[16:39] <somaunn> you still behind what i get because you get 20Gb for a month right ?
[17:01] <somaunn> guys i get this message "libpng12.so.0 is needed by teamviewer-10.0.35002-0.i686" trying to install teamviewer 10 beta
[17:02] <somaunn> i've done sudo yum install libpng12 but still i get the same message
[17:02] <somaunn> do i need to log out then log in again ???
[17:07] <somaunn> no worries i got the answer
[17:10] <somaunn>   command to logout from user session?
[17:10] <somaunn> my plasma 5 freeze when i try to add a software as favorite
[17:13] <Squirm> ctrl+d
[17:14] <Squirm> or exit
[17:14] <Squirm> on command line?
[17:14] <somaunn> from kterm  i mean
[17:20] <Kilos> ai! power again
[17:24] <Squirm> lol
[17:35] <Kilos> nou reen dit ietwat
[18:36] <inetpro> good evening
[18:42] <Kilos> evening inetpro
[18:42] <Kilos> 2mm
[18:42] <Kilos> baie storm en 2 keer krag af
[18:42] <inetpro> not sure how much here, too tired to go look
[18:43] <Kilos> ai! go sleep man
[18:45] <Kilos> oh inetpro i asked is hangouts on tablets with gmail accounts the same hangouts as g+
[18:45] <Kilos> no one told me
[18:45] <inetpro> ai!
[18:45] <Kilos> i ask because my sister can chat to me in my pidgin
[18:46] <inetpro> and?
[18:46] <Kilos> and if its same then i can join the peeps like vince on hangouts but only use text
[18:46] <gremble> Yes
[18:47] <gremble> It is Kilos
[18:47] <inetpro> it's all googly
[18:47] <gremble> Hangouts uses your gmail account
[18:47] <gremble> like pidgin does
[18:47] <Kilos> cool ty
[18:47] <gremble> np
[18:47] <Kilos> so i can text them when they hangout
[18:47] <gremble> You know how to set it up?
[18:47] <Kilos> set what up?
[18:47] <gremble> If they have hangouts on a smartphone, you can send them a message anytime
[18:48] <gremble> pidgin to chat on gtalk/hangouts
[18:48] <Kilos> is there more to setting it up than just adding an xmpp account?
[18:49] <gremble> Oh. Nope
[18:49] <gremble> Then you know
[18:49] <gremble> :P
[18:49] <Kilos> lol yeah i know pidgin quite well thanks to the pro
[18:49] <Kilos> can even do otr
[18:50] <Kilos> pidgin rocks
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro, as jy gaan slaap se so
[18:59] <inetpro> uh
[18:59] <inetpro> ok oom
[19:03] <Kilos> lunch time tumbleweed enjoy
[19:04] <Kilos> hope they got good food there
[19:09] <tumbleweed> not quite, yet
[19:09] <tumbleweed> yeah, food here is good
[19:09] <inetpro> where are you tumbleweed?
[19:10] <inetpro> SF?
[19:10] <tumbleweed> yep
[19:10] <tumbleweed> just got my permanent apartment keys this morning
[19:10] <inetpro> nice
[19:10] <Kilos> there where they eat silicon steaks
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: you think that meat can taste as good as ours?


[00:40] <Annoyed> Greetings. Server 18.04.1 - How do I completely disable the systemd process that does DNS for this machine? It clobbers /etc/resolv.conf upon reboot.. All I want to do is set the machine's DNS to <IP_ADDRESS> (Yes, BIND is running on this)
[00:41] <RoyK> Annoyed: iirc that's not systemd, it's resolvconf - configure it
[00:42] <Annoyed> Ok... where do you do it? I haven't found a lot of docs on this
[00:43] <Annoyed> and there doesn't seem to be a command "resolveconf" installed. Or is that something else?
[00:46] <RoyK> is the resolvconf package installed?
[00:47] <Annoyed> Not if it doesn't come with the default install.
[00:47] <RoyK> well, did you check if it's installed?
[00:50] <Annoyed> But I wouldn't think you would need another package to do this. All I want to do is set the system nameserver to <IP_ADDRESS>. I've got BIND installed, set up, and not only does it resolve my inside network seamlessly, it's also a LOT faster than tbe default DNS on this, which looks to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:02] <seekr> I'm finding myself unable to restore a MySQL database for a Joomla!-based site using the Akeeba backup system.  It complains that it's unable to connect to MySQL (actually, I installed the newer, better and compatible MariaDB package).  I've established that it's not a permissions problem, since I've granted access to the database for www-data, which is the UID under which Apache is running Akeeba (and everything else).  I've granted full
[20:02] <seekr> permissions to that user on the database, so it should be able to create and populate tables.  In fact, I tested that capability via a terminal command (mysql --user=www-data --password=mypass dbname).  Any suggestions?
[20:05] <tomreyn> find our how this software connects to databases, and enable it to do so
[20:06] <seekr> oooo - I just changed the hostname to "localhost" - and got it to work - thanks tomreyn
[20:14] <seekr> okay - I'm able to administer the site, but am getting a warning: "We have detected that your server is using PHP 7.0.32-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> which is obsolete and no longer receives official security updates by its developers. The Joomla! Project recommends upgrading your site to PHP 7.1 or later which will receive security updates at least until 2019-12-01."  Is PHP 7.1 compatible with 16LTS?  I'd assume so.  I tried running 18LTS but ran into a
[20:14] <seekr> serious problem and had to fall back to the earlier Ubuntu release.
[20:16] <teward> seekr: there's PPAs that provide 'newer' PHP versions
[20:17] <teward> but you'd have to go hunting to find them, and we don't support them here technically
[20:17] <seekr> hmmm, teward
[20:17] <seekr> Do you think maybe it's best to just live with the warning?  (I'm probably only going to run the site on this server temporarily.)
[20:18] <teward> seekr: if you're asking my opinion as a security professional, then yes, only so long as this is a 'temporary' server deployment to get things 'ready' for a production environment
[20:18] <teward> if this is going to be used as production even temporarily then i would be wary
[20:19] <teward> but that's the security opinion of me
[20:19] <teward> the PHP code that's on 16.04 still gets Security Team updates
[20:19] <teward> regularly
[20:19] <teward> so I'm more inclined to ignore the warning as well because I know the Sec Team is on top of PHP security vulns
[20:19] <seekr> teward: well, it kinda is going to be a production site for some indeterminate amount of time (I had problems with the server on which the site was running)
[20:19] <teward> seekr: then it's up to you
[20:20] <teward> but the PPAs *don't* get updates most likely so you're going to have to just ignore hte warnings if you want regular security patching
[20:20] <teward> and make sure to actually DO the patching regularly :P
[20:20] <seekr> okay - security is of some concern to me, since the problem I had on the previous site resulted from a PHP infection
[20:20] <teward> > problem on the previous site resulted from a PHP infection
[20:20] <seekr> teward: however, I don't think it entered the system via Joomla!
[20:20] <teward> that means you didn't apply security patches OR there were other infection vectors
[20:21] <teward> seekr: if Joomla's the only PHP thing facing the 'net then yes that was the attack vector
[20:21] <teward> PHP or otherwise
[20:22] <seekr> teward: Well, it's a bit more complex.  The hosting company did a clamav scan, which showed infection from a few years ago, long before I began using Joomla!, though I did run a forum under a plain old HTML based site that I think was the means by which that injection/infection entered.
[20:23] <teward> seekr: also irrelevant in the long term
[20:23] <seekr> teward: There may have been a second attack via a forum component, though - but clamav didn't show evidence thereof.
[20:23] <teward> clamav is only good at virus scans
[20:23] <teward> not vulnerabilities which is what PHP updates patch
[20:23] <teward> you need more intense stuff to scan that :P
[20:24] <teward> but point is
[20:24] <seekr> teward: I certainly would prefer using a PHP version that's more hardened against attacks, if there is such a thing.
[20:24] <teward> the security team patches the PHP binaries
[20:24] <seekr> teward: sounds now as if you would recommend a PHP update
[20:25] <seekr> teward: but you seem also to be saying that getting that update for 16LTS is problematical
[20:25] <teward> seekr: my true opinion will take about 20 minutes to voice here
[20:25] <teward> so i'll give you the cliffs notes:
[20:25] <seekr> thanks
[20:25] <tomreyn> seekr: teward is saying that as long as you install phph from ubuntu and your ubuntu version is supported by canoniocal, while the base php versionremains the same, security patches are backported to these older php versions.
[20:26] <tomreyn> so then you have no reason to be worried.
[20:26] <teward> tomreyn: his concern is PHP 7.0 vs. newer PHP rev numbers
[20:26] <teward> but you're essentially correct
[20:26] <teward> seekr: tomreyn did a good job with the cliffs notes.
[20:26] <seekr> teward, tomreyn - right - the question is whether and how I can upgrade to 7.1 or higher under 16LTS
[20:27] <teward> seekr: not while guaranteeing regular security updates
[20:27] <teward> which is what I was saying
[20:27] <teward> PPAs are the only way to find newer versions, and those aren't updated by the Security Team, etc.
[20:27] <teward> !ppa
[20:27] <teward> ^ this
[20:28] <tomreyn> seekr: why is it you cannot upgrade to 18.04? i may have missed you saying this
[20:28] <seekr> Let me ask a simple, if naiive question.  Is it out of the question - or just impossible, since they're not in the regular repos, to install PHP 7.1 or 7.2 on this 16LTS system?
[20:29] <tomreyn> no, this was already said.
[20:29] <tomreyn> it is possible.
[20:30] <seekr> tomreyn: I had a long chat with someone else yesterday in which I described the problem with 18LTS.  There's apparent bug (trying to remember where) that prevents me from running an installed Joomla! site.
[20:31] <tomreyn> i remember you or someone else asking why joomla does not work on an ubuntu 18.04 LTS here yesterday.
[20:32] <tomreyn> but there was not much info provided, so it was not really possible to help
[20:32] <teward> i'mma try and local-install Joomla in an 18.04 container
[20:32] <seekr> Seems that 18 LTS doesn't have all the right support packages - or there's a flaw in the ones it installs:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1787886
[20:32] <teward> maybe they 'patched' it :P
[20:33] <seekr> tomreyn: yeah, it was me
[20:34] <seekr> tomreyn: I decided it was too much trouble - and maybe impossible - to find a fix for that bug, since it seems the case remains open as of this date - so I downgraded to 16 LTS.
[20:34] <tomreyn> seekr: do you run the latest joomla version there?
[20:34] <seekr> tomreyn: yes - in fact, I just upgraded the site a few minutes ago
[20:34] <tomreyn> seekr: were you running the latest joomla version before you upgraded to 18.04 yesterday?
[20:35] <seekr> tomreyn: negative - but I had no way to do so, since upgrades are possible only on running sites, afaik
[20:35] <tomreyn> so it wasnt working on 16.04 either?
[20:36] <seekr> I never tried - I upgraded to 18 prior to restoring the site to the server
[20:36] <teward> tomreyn: it looks to mel ike this is an Apache2 update breakage not a Joomla breakage if I'm reading the bug right
[20:36] <teward> but...
[20:37] <tomreyn> well this bug report is not... too telling
[20:37] <tomreyn> seekr so which is the latest ubuntu version you had your site running on?
[20:38] <tomreyn> you said you downgraded to ubuntu 16.04 (you can't downgrade releases, i assume you reinstalled and restored backups?) to make joomla work, so i assume you got it working on 16.04?
[20:39] <seekr> Yes - it's on a cloud server - I just re-built the system from scratch, which the installer did using 16.04.
[20:39] <seekr> tomreyn: ^^
[20:40] <tomreyn> seekr: and now joomla works there, or not?
[20:40] <seekr> Joomla! appears to be working just fine.
[20:40] <seekr> My only possible concern is the PHP security one at this point.
[20:40] <tomreyn> and you're using the default php version ubuntu 16.04 provides, right?
[20:40] <seekr> I'm using 7.0, which I had to install.
[20:41] <seekr> I installed 7.2 under 16.04 LTS earlier.
[20:41] <tomreyn> okay, and according to https://www.joomla.org/announcements/general-news/5719-4-reasons-why-you-should-get-php-7.html joonmla supports 7.x
[20:42] <teward> i feel like we're going in circles... the version of 7.0 in the repositories **does receive security updates regularly**
[20:42] <teward> but not from PHP Upstream - the Ubuntu Security Team does it
[20:42] <teward> sarnold among others.
[20:42] <seekr> teward: you think that's good enough, then?
[20:43] <teward> for the average site? yes.
[20:43] <teward> but there's about 500 other hardening steps NOT RELATED to PHP that I"d do
[20:43] <teward> since PHP is *not* the only attack vector
[20:43] <teward> Unrelated, I have Joomla latest working Out Of The Box on a fresh 18.04 install
[20:45] <seekr> teward: interesting
[20:45] <seekr> teward: I wonder how you managed to avoid the bug
[20:45] <tomreyn> seekr: i think if you review your upgrade strategy before you plan the newxt upgrade you'll be more successfull.
[20:46] <seekr> tomreyn: I'm all ears.  :)  I'm not sure I know all the right questions to ask and actions to take.
[20:46] <tomreyn> if you're considering to upgrade a server running a web application, first of all you should read up on the limits and requirements of the web application.
[20:47] <tomreyn> those are suually documented, with the lowest and highest version of everything it depends on
[20:47] <tomreyn> ...for every version of the web application
[20:47] <teward> seekr: because I didn't upgrade 16.04 -> 18.04, I did fresh 18.04 :P
[20:47] <tomreyn> i.e. joomla 3.3 probably had different requirements for the server versions than the latest joomla has
[20:47] <teward> yep and you're fairly behind
[20:48] <teward> it's 3.9 now heh
[20:48] <tomreyn> usually you'll need to upgrade the web application first, upgrading it to the newest version available
[20:48] <teward> yep
[20:48] <tomreyn> if you then upgrade the server, it will often just work.
[20:48] <tomreyn> but it's a matter of trying before you do it on the live site
[20:48] <tomreyn> so you just clone the server first, and then try it there
[20:49] <seekr> tomreyn: If it turns out I'm gonna have to run on this server for more than a week or so, I will do a careful review.  On the other server, which I hope to be able to move the site back to soon (though it's a crummy company that runs it now - used to be quite good).  In fact, I'll do that review in any case, though I have far less control on that other (shared hosting) server.
[20:49] <tomreyn> and do it on the real website only if this semedd to work out and you have taken notes on what to look out for
[20:50] <seekr> Well, I'm certainly learning a lot in this process.  I've never configured a server from scratch before, so it's quite an adventure!  :)
[20:50] <tomreyn> the cloned site should be with the same host, in an environment as similar as possible
[20:50] <tomreyn> cool, you're surely making good progress with this adventure ;)
[20:51] <seekr> tomreyn: yeah - under different circumstances (like I had an actual budget to support the activity), what you're suggesting about the cloned site sounds great.
[20:51] <tomreyn> the other thing to know is that there are also upgrade guides for ubuntu server, and for services you run on your ubuntu server, such as apache httpd.
[20:52] <seekr> tomreyn: As things stand, I'm using an account on a freebie server - they lure in new customers by giving them a three month free trial.  Were I to configure a second virtual server, I'd no doubt get charged for it.
[20:53] <tomreyn> seekr: i see. you'll have better budgets in the future if work towards doing this stuff on a professional level. but even on a low budget you can prevent most pitfalls, so the clone is not *that* important.
[20:53] <tomreyn> i see what you mean
[20:54] <seekr> Well, at this point, I think I'd best get back to the actual site, now that it's running -- and I'm anxious to announce it, since the site's been down now for over a week.  I'll come back and maybe have further questions as I play more with the server.  It's very good to know there's such a supportive community here (which is more than I can say for Joomla!, sadly).
[20:56] <tomreyn> i think you'll be fine on ubuntu 16.04 LTS as long as you keep upgrading joomla whenever they release security fixes (be sure to know when that happens, subscribe their mailing list or whatever they have) and you keep installing security patches on ubuntu
[20:56] <tomreyn> the latter can be automated (but you still need to restart affected services and reboot after kernel updates manually)
[20:56] <tomreyn> to automate it, look into unattended-upgrades.
[20:57] <seekr> tomreyn, teward - thanks very much for your kind assistance - I will continue to log this channel and will look forward to perusing the log.  Actually, I must confess that I'm actually a Linux Mint user.  I chose Ubuntu over Debian (on which I know Ubuntu is based) and the other alternatives since I'm somewhat familiar with the Debian/Ubuntu way of doing things.  :)
[20:57] <tomreyn> for general information on running a server, read (only the parts you need, such as on web servers) https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[20:57] <seekr> yes, tomreyn - I always install the latest Joomla! release as soon as I get an alert that one is available, as I did just a while ago today.
[20:58] <tomreyn> and reas this about upgrades and what to watch out for there https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:58] <tomreyn> *read
[20:58] <tomreyn> good, its indeed very important to stay up to date with webapps.
[20:58] <seekr> tomreyn: re "unattended-upgrades" you mean just search for that term in web-space, or what?
[20:59] <seekr> tomreyn: will look at the server guide - thanks!
[20:59] <tomreyn> "unattended-upgrades" is the name of an ubuntu package, which you can install ()in fact it probably already is, but not doing much by default) and can configure to install security patches automatically
[20:59] <seekr> tomreyn: I'll follow all your advice.
[20:59] <seekr> tomreyn: ahh - I'll look into it right away - thanks again!
[20:59] <tomreyn> there is also live kernel patching, which can give you more time before you have to reboot
[21:00] <tomreyn> https://www.ubuntu.com/livepatch
[21:00] <seekr> tomreyn: how critical are kernel upgrades?
[21:00] <tomreyn> depends on the kernel upgrade ;)
[21:00] <seekr> yeah, figures  :)
[21:00] <tomreyn> or rather on the vulnerabilities that got patched
[21:00] <seekr> indeed
[21:01] <JanC> for most websites just rebooting is probably sufficient
[21:01] <tomreyn> some are critical, many are not so much. but you can only decide this if you review them every time
[21:01] <tomreyn> and rebooting is usually quite quick and a minor nuisance for your users
[21:02] <seekr> tomreyn: yeah - there's not that much site usage at present, so I have no qualms about rebooting as often as necessary.
[21:03] <tomreyn> seekr: this lists security updates for ubuntu 16.04 LTS: https://usn.ubuntu.com/releases/ubuntu-16.04-lts/
[21:03] <seekr> great - thanks again!    :)  I really appreciate your kindness.
[21:03] <tomreyn> you can subscribe to all ubuntu security advisories here https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-security-announce
[21:03] <seekr> okay
[21:04] <tomreyn> but you dont dtrictly have to if you have unattended-.upgrades setup properly
[21:04] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[21:04] <seekr> I'll save all these links and will look at those resources just ASAP.
[21:05] <tomreyn> take your time, they're not going away ;)
[21:05] <seekr> Well, I'd best shove off now - but, as I said, I'll continue to log the channel.  I'll look forward to our next encounter, tomreyn & teward!
[21:05] <tomreyn> alright, you'Re welcome, ask when you'll have more questions.
[21:06] <seekr> will do
[21:07] <JanC> it's been a long time since I looked at it; is joomla still such a security nightmare as it used to be?
[21:08] <tomreyn> teward: sorry for interpreting you there earlier, i just like to try to explain things in "layman's terms" when i'm under the impression that a more precise and better language explanation may actually create a gap.
[21:08] <teward> tomreyn: no problem :)
[21:08] <teward> tomreyn: if you had misinterpreted I'd have thrown these ancient floppy disk ninja stars at you :p
[21:08] <tomreyn> oh the ones with the sharp edges!
[21:09] <teward> tomreyn: yep
[21:09] <tomreyn> and with the copy protection flip thing switched so they work like barbs
[21:10] <tomreyn> or was it 5 1/4 in? with the cut out? even meaner!
[21:10] <teward> tomreyn: both >:D
[21:10] <tomreyn> :)
[21:11] <teward> ... and the few 3.5inch ones I have, i kinda squished them so the metal slide cover protecting the magnetic film inside is as flat as a blade heh
[21:11] <teward> muahahahahahah
[21:11] <teward> ... I also have a full printed copy of the Bash manpage that's about 50 binders thick...
[21:11] <teward> ... so I can chuck those around as bricks ;P
[21:11] <teward> but meh
[21:11] <teward> (I need a nap, my allergies are messing with me... back later0
[21:12] <tomreyn> i might respond with the ibm dos 3.2 handbook
[21:12] <tomreyn> much lighter, though. and with a beautiful ascii table.
[21:12] <tomreyn> ttyl
[21:13] <JanC> does it include BASIC or was that a separate book?
[21:14] <tomreyn> i think there was a separate book for it
[21:14] <tomreyn> as well as plenty of listings in journals
[21:15] <tomreyn> i wrote some games of my own back then, much fun :)
[21:16] <tomreyn> just the audio situation was non satisfactory
[23:40] <mybalzitch> arg, one day I'll remember how I have my network configured and learn the correct bridge to hook my docker network up to


[07:21] <xu-irc89w> Hello! I have an issue with my wifi being at times unbearably  slow and after a bit of digging I've noticed that it tries automatically to configure the country, but gets it wrong....BE instead of NO. It might also be something else...any suggestions?
[07:23] <xu-irc89w> ...by the way I'm running Xubuntu 20.04 LTS if that matters...
[07:32] <KBar> xu-irc89w: sounds like a router problem. confirm that bandwidth control isn't set up
[07:33] <xu-irc89w> the other people in the office space do not have that problem... how do I check the bandwidth control?
[07:34] <KBar> xu-irc89w: refer to the router's manual or report to the network administrator
[07:35] <KBar> bandwidth control can be set up per IP/MAC address, so it's possible only yours was included in the list
[07:38] <xu-irc89w> ok, will check that. However, sudo iw reg get   returns : 'global country NO: DFS-ETSI and  phys#0 (self-managed) country BE: DFS-UNSET'
[13:57] <jason> greetings droogies
[16:14] <Lord_drive> hello
[16:15] <KBar> hi. please ask your questions :)
[16:15] <Lord_drive> when i connect my usb wireless adpter nothing show for me
[16:15] <Lord_drive> 802.11n
[16:15] <Lord_drive> realtek
[16:16] <Lord_drive> rtl8188ftv
[16:16] <KBar> Lord_drive: anything from `dmesg`?
[16:16] <Lord_drive> what?
[16:18] <Lord_drive> how can i install driver?
[16:18] <KBar> Lord_drive: what is the output of `lsb_release -d`?
[16:19] <KBar> and `uname -r`
[16:19] <Lord_drive> Description:    Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[16:19] <Lord_drive> 5.15.0-46-generic
[16:21] <Lord_drive> with lsusb xubuntu reconize it
[16:21] <Lord_drive> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:f179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188FTV 802.11b/g/n 1T1R 2.4G WLAN Adapter
[16:21] <Lord_drive> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[16:21] <Lord_drive> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[16:21] <Lord_drive> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 1c4f:0202 SiGma Micro Usb KeyBoard
[16:21] <Lord_drive> Bus 004 Device 013: ID 18f8:0f99 [Maxxter] Optical gaming mouse
[16:21] <Lord_drive> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[16:24] <Lord_drive> hello
[16:25] <Lord_drive> xbuntu can't recognize my wifi usb adapter
[16:26] <Lord_drive> there is not any panel for show available networks
[16:27] <Lord_drive> help
[16:33] <Lord_drive> hello
[16:38] <Kuschelpony> i have a meta-question, is it ok if i stay lurking in this channel? maybe i can passively learn a bit more by reading
[16:49] <xu-irc58w> hello
[16:50] <xu-irc58w> my linux pc can't recognize my usb wifi adapter
[17:15] <tomreyn> Kuschelpony: of course
[20:09] <Eight_> Where can I go in setting to change from 24 hour to 12 hour time? Been trying to look for it but I didn't find it in display, panel, or time and date. No clue where else it would be
[20:35] <krytarik> Eight_: If you mean for the clock on the panel, then just right-click on it, go to properties, and there you'll have the format settings.
[21:04] <Eight_> That is what I meant, thanks


[07:18] <qwebirc58500> Hello there
[07:19] <diogenes_> hi
[07:19] <qwebirc58500> I am currently attempting to boot Xubuntu from an USB Drive ... problem is that it doesn't boot.
[07:19] <qwebirc58500> It isn't the first time happening, I have a feeling that the problem is the file system of the USB drive.
[07:21] <diogenes_> what software you used to write the usb drive?
[07:21] <qwebirc58500> First I tried DD command, then somebody told me to use Etcher.
[07:22] <qwebirc58500> Etcher has written in uhh ... "iso9660".
[07:22] <diogenes_> and what happens when you choose to boot from usb drive in bios?
[07:23] <qwebirc58500> Well, good luck with that. Since I've nuked my primary internal HDD, there is no Boot Menu anymore, unless we're talking about OS specific Boot Menus (in my Case Ubuntu only). In the BIOS itself, I cannot choose any drives specifically, I can only prioritise "removable devices" over Ubuntu.
[07:24] <diogenes_> what do you mean there is no boot menu?
[07:25] <qwebirc58500> Exactly that: There is no boot menu.
[07:25] <qwebirc58500> Before nuking my primary internal HDD, I could just press (or hold) the F12 Key to access the boot menu in order to decide from which device to boot from.
[07:26] <qwebirc58500> And when installing Ubuntu, I've nuked both my internal HDDs.
[07:26] <diogenes_> and what do you mean nuke?
[07:27] <qwebirc58500> Stand by
[07:30] <qwebirc58500> I "nuked" the HDDs as in "destroyed all Data"
[07:31] <diogenes_> i see, so i assume it was window 10 before?
[07:31] <qwebirc58500> yes
[07:32] <diogenes_> that's why it's always recommended to buy a laptop with clean HDD, with no OS installed but can you even access the bios?
[07:32] <qwebirc58500> Well, my Machine was bought in 2014.  Like I said, I cannot choose specific Devices. Only Operating Systems (which currently only is Ubuntu), [CD&DVD], [Removable Devices] and [LAN]
[07:34] <qwebirc58500> Ubuntu does recognize the USB Drive
[07:36] <diogenes_> qwebirc58500, then tehre is your issue, nothing will boot until you clean the HDD with a windows DVD or inserting the HDD into another pc and low level clean it, then you will get your boot menu back.
[07:36] <qwebirc58500> ugh ... ffs
[07:36] <qwebirc58500> Okay
[07:38] <qwebirc58500> So Imma hope that I can boot the USB Drive with Windows (that one *should* work though), and will come back ASAP. Oh, btw, just for Identification (when I come back), you can call me Thursday.
[07:39] <diogenes_> with a windows dvd (if it boots) then you need to press shift + f10 when the installation welcome screen appears then: 1. type in diskpart 2. list disk 3. sel disk 0 (<[07:40] <diogenes_> but that will destroy your data so be careful to have backup.
[07:41] <qwebirc58500> Well, with nuking my HDDs I already destroyed enough. I have my backups since my switch from Win10 to Ubuntu.
[07:42] <qwebirc58500> I'll do the reboot now...
[08:07] <qwebirc87426> Thursday here, I have good news
[08:08] <qwebirc87426> First, the main problem was my BIOS active weird. I kept prioritising removable devices over Ubuntu and saved the changes over and over again, but as soon as I exited the bios, Ubuntu was prioritised again. So it had nothing to do with my USB drive or anything like that.
[08:10] <qwebirc87426> Second, I found out why the boot menu was not there - it was disabled in the bios. I had to go for default settings because of a weird booting error of the machine. That way the boot menu was entirely disabled. But by accident, I found it, enabled it, and used it to now finally install xubuntu.
[08:11] <qwebirc87426> Tl;dr, problem solved and I should have less such problems in the future.
[08:16] <qwebirc87426> BTW, is there any significant difference in software compatibility when comparing Ubuntu and Xubuntu?
[08:18] <diogenes_> qwebirc87426, xubuntu has a greater compatibility comparing to any other distro
[08:19] <qwebirc87426> Now that's something I like to hear.
[08:19] <qwebirc87426> BTW, diogenes (I think you were the guy), I managed to install Xubuntu now.
[08:20] <diogenes_> qwebirc87426, how u managed?
[08:22] <qwebirc87426> Well, simply enough, I enabled the boot menu. Because of an error, I had to turn all the bios settings on default several times now - and I didn't knew that the boot menu was toggleable in the bios. And, unsurprisingly, the default option of the boot menu was disabled.
[08:23] <qwebirc87426> Now why the USB drive didn't boot in the first place is a whole other mystery though. For some reason, no matter what I did, as soon as exiting the bios menu, Ubuntu automatically put itself in the highest priority.
[08:24] <qwebirc87426> That way my USB drives had no chance of booting at all, without using the boot menu specifically.
[08:27] <qwebirc87426> Sooo yeah, I'm outta here now, doing everything else that I have to.
[08:27] <qwebirc87426> Have a nice day bud!


[05:04] <Takyoji> Ooooo http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LPI_Linux_Certification
[05:04] <jenkinbr> O.O
[05:05] <Takyoji> Looks rather useful
[05:05] <Takyoji> Although apparently very incomplete
[05:06] <jenkinbr> yeah :/
[05:06] <Takyoji> But points out useful topics
[05:06] <jenkinbr> could be useful, but would need a lot of work
[05:07] <jenkinbr> managing disk quata **
[05:09] <jenkinbr> some (if not all) seem to have an exercise at the end
[05:11] <Takyoji> LPI seems like actual sane certification
[05:11] <Takyoji> Unlike CompTIA Linux+ which is absolutely meaningless.
[05:44]  * tonyyarusso is LPIC-1 btw