[03:11] <newz2000> Hi, I'm setting up mythbuntu and having probs... when I go to watch TV it says "please wait" and then after a moment goes back to the menu
[03:12] <newz2000> I'm not a linux newbie so I'm comfortable digging around, but googling isn't leading me anywhere
[03:12] <newz2000> I have a pvr150 and I'm using schedule direct to get my listings
[03:12] <newz2000> (and populating the database seems to work, I can look at the upcoming schedule)
[03:13] <newz2000> Any tips on where I can look to troubleshoot?
[03:16] <tgm4883> !logs | newz2000
[03:16] <Zinn> newz2000: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[03:16] <rhpot1991> newz2000: sounds like your card isn't setup correctly or you have permission problems
[03:16] <rhpot1991> !blank% | newz2000
[03:16] <Zinn> newz2000: If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[03:17]  * newz2000 looks
[03:20] <newz2000> /var/lib/mythtv is owned root.root but everything inside is mythtv.mythtv, does that seem right?
[03:24] <tgm4883> newz2000, what do the logs say?
[03:25] <newz2000> found an error
[03:25] <newz2000> Error: unknown type, recording width was 0
[03:26] <newz2000> preceeding that was some messages about path names, but they looked informational
[03:26] <tgm4883> newz2000, I can't help you if you don't pastebin the whole log file
[03:27]  * tgm4883 goes back to arguing with devs
[03:27] <newz2000> ok, I'm happy to do that, thanks and just a min
[03:28] <newz2000> http://pastebin.com/Nn3hJj3a
[03:28] <newz2000> that is backend and frontend from just before I started to try and watch TV
[03:29] <newz2000> I can send you the whole log next if you need it
[03:30] <tgm4883> newz2000, you have a PVR-150?
[03:30] <newz2000> yes
[03:31] <tgm4883> newz2000, you didn't set it up as a mpeg2 encoder card
[03:31] <newz2000> oh
[03:32] <newz2000> tgm4883: is that through backend setup?
[03:32] <tgm4883> yep
[03:34] <newz2000> ivtv mpeg-2 encoder card?
[03:34] <tgm4883> I believe so
[03:34]  * newz2000 tests
[03:34] <tgm4883> my pvr-150 is in a box for about a year
[03:34] <newz2000> it works!
[03:34] <tgm4883> newz2000, I know
[03:35] <tgm4883> newz2000, note, it could have worked 12 minutes earlier if you had posted the logs when I asked :)
[03:35] <tgm4883> thats how important the logs are
[03:36] <newz2000> Something funny is happening
[03:36] <newz2000> or not happening maybe
[03:36] <newz2000> I saw a tv picture for a moment, then the guide, now things feel frozen or slow
[03:37] <newz2000> grrr
[03:37]  * newz2000 looks at the logs some more
[03:40] <newz2000> ok, looks like it's working now
[03:46] <newz2000> ok, I'm down to two final problems
[03:46] <newz2000> the picture is very jittery
[03:46] <newz2000> !jitter%
[03:46] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about jitter%
[03:47] <newz2000> not the menus, only while watching tv
[03:47] <newz2000> and no sound
[03:47] <newz2000> !sound%
[03:47] <Zinn> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sound_Troubleshooting
[03:49] <newz2000> yeah, sound works
[03:56] <newz2000> So all of my channels seem to work, but they're kind of jittery
[03:57] <newz2000> I'm watching the world cup and there's a constant buzzing for some reason
[03:57] <newz2000> espn seems to be the only channel with that problem
[03:58] <newz2000> oh, that may be the audience making that sound
[04:27] <newz2000> if I just want my 4:3 shows to show full screen on a 16:9 set, what setting should I use?
[04:28] <newz2000> (yes, I've read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio but it's no help, just a big explanation of the problem)
[04:28] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Aspect ratio - MythTV
[04:31] <newz2000> !playback profiles%
[04:31] <Zinn> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles
[04:41] <Infl8ableSoulm8> So, just installed 64-bit mythbuntu on a sun fire x2100 server that I installed a Hauppauge HVR-1250 pci-e tuner card in, and the card doesn't appear to be recognized.  lspci shows the card with the proper details, which is probably not any amazing feat, as a conexant card with the correct hauppauge model number.
[04:42] <Infl8ableSoulm8> I'm currently running a synaptic update to see if that fixes anything, but is thre anything that anyone knows about this particular card that could shorten my google-time?
[05:10] <seventoes> anyone know if its possible to use a headphone-jack style IR blaster with mythtv?
[05:16] <newz2000> next step is to see if I can talk to the digital cable box over firewire
[05:30] <newz2000> !firewire%
[05:30] <Zinn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[07:17] <anv> I have fresh 64-bit Mythbuntu install, installation went quite  fine, but most of DVDs wont play even with proprietary driver, I  tried to use mplayer instead of internal but maybe it were typed  wrongly on those lines , I'm not sure should it be mplayer or  /usr/bin/mplayer or something else
[07:19] <anv> 1.) how to get DVD work 2.) how to set mplayer as default player ?
[07:29] <Shadow__X> !dvd
[07:29] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about dvd
[07:30] <Shadow__X> anv: in the mythbuntu control center i think you have to enable dvd play back
[07:30] <Shadow__X> it has something to do with encryption keys and all that
[07:30] <anv> it plays some of them but most of DVDs wont play
[07:31] <anv> so it must be enabled
[07:31] <Shadow__X> go in mcc and check
[07:31] <Shadow__X> select w32 codecs and libdvdcss2
[07:31] <anv> I have installed all possible codecs from synaptic
[07:32] <anv> enabled medibuntu also
[07:32] <Shadow__X> just humor me
[07:33] <anv> I tried several DVD drives same with all of them, but when I play those DVD discs which wont work under mythbuntu in my desktop they work
[07:33] <anv> !?!
[07:33] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about ?!
[07:34] <anv> how to set mplayer instead of Internal?
[07:34] <Shadow__X> in setup
[07:35] <anv> but I tried "mplayer" and "/usr/bin/mplayer" ..nothing
[07:36] <anv> I have installed mplayer from synaptic
[07:40] <Shadow__X> locate mplayer
[07:42] <anv> odd http://pastebin.com/MQMajE7Y
[07:44] <anv> it didn't show the /usr/bin entry even it exists
[07:50] <Shadow__X> sorry try which mplayer
[07:55] <anv> /usr/bin/mplayer
[07:56] <anv> when it asks the name of player in setup should I put it as above ?
[08:11] <anv> I think this was correct answer: "mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device %d" it plays films now, but in extern window though "f" key makes it fullscreen... I thinkmplayer should be the internal player insteadit seems to be broken
[15:25] <curtlee> Could someone help me make a udev rule to stop my pcHDTV5500 from changing between /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 on every reboot?
[19:27] <qwebirc5169> Greetings. I installed MythBuntu on a Zotac ION system recently and am enjoying it, but am having an issue with my remote. I believe that I "just" need to insert a new VENDOR id (x0105a) into the lirc_mceusb.c file, but am having no success getting the kernel updated. Anyone able to walk me through this?
[19:35] <azlon> is there an known issue with the miro plugin? it keeps giving me an error every time i open the mythbuntu coltrol center
[21:02] <bmidgley2> is there an ubuntu->mythbuntu transition guide somewhere?
[21:04] <rhpot1991> bmidgley2: sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop ?  What are you trying to do?
[21:04] <bmidgley2> go from ubuntu 10.04 to mythbuntu 10.04 without too much rebuilding of my "working" myth setup
[21:05] <bmidgley2> plain ubuntu myth packages are too buggy
[21:05] <rhpot1991> installing mythbuntu-desktop should handle most of it
[21:06] <bmidgley2> it will add repos I guess?
[21:06] <rhpot1991> what repos?  auto builds?
[21:07] <rhpot1991> the mythbuntu and ubuntu mythtv packages are exactly the same
[21:08] <bmidgley2> weird, mythbuntu folks say the inserting-dvd-crashes-myth is fixed
[21:08] <bmidgley2> but I don't see that
[21:08] <bmidgley2> I wonder if they were using auto build repos
[21:08] <rhpot1991> link to the bug?
[21:10] <bmidgley2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/549593
[21:10] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #549593 in Mythbuntu: “mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in QX11PixmapData::x11ConvertToDefaultDepth()”
[21:18] <qwebirc5169> .
[21:20] <bmidgley2> I will try the autobuilds
[21:21] <bmidgley2> any reason I should be insterested in .24?
[21:21] <rhpot1991> bbigras: it says right in the comments that its fixed in auto builds, you can test it on there
[21:21] <Infl8ableSoulm8> Has anyone tried recently to build the v4l-dvb drivers for the current ubuntu kernel package?
[21:21] <rhpot1991> bmidgley2: no, thats the latest mythtv development, so most likely you are very uninterested in it
[21:22] <bmidgley2> definitely
[22:03] <seric> hi, I am unable to connect to my mythtv backend from a remote machine, I think I set everything correct but still fail to connect to the db(?) - is there any simple trick I am missing (remote frontend is on OS X)
[22:05] <seric> if I try to manualy connect to the remote DB, I get the following:
[22:05] <seric> seric@jupiter:~$ mysql5 -u mythtv -p -h <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:05] <seric> Enter password:
[22:05] <seric> ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '<IP_ADDRESS>' (61)
[22:05] <seric> altough I set mtyhtv user to host %
[22:23] <seric> seems I got the error, mysql was listening only on localhost, thanks anyway.


[08:15] <voltagex[m]> where's the right place to make a feature request for the netboot system or the curtin installer itself?
[13:01] <tomreyn> voltagex[m]: for the subiquity server installer, https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity
[13:02] <tomreyn> for curtin (just the partitioning part): https://bugs.launchpad.net/curtin


[18:56] <matsubara> me
[18:57] <statik> em
[18:59] <barry> d'oh... ray...
[18:59] <bigjools> fartso
[19:00] <Rinchen> #startmeeting
[19:00] <Rinchen> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development.
[19:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is Rinchen.
[19:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:00] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[19:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[19:00] <mrevell> me
[19:00] <schwuk> me
[19:00] <bigjools> me
[19:00] <Rinchen> yo
[19:00] <herb> me
[19:00] <cprov> me
[19:00] <barry> me
[19:00] <mthaddon> moi
[19:00] <al-maisan> me
[19:00] <salgado> me
[19:00] <mars> me
[19:01] <BjornT> me
[19:01] <thumper> me
[19:01] <matsubara> me
[19:01] <Rinchen> mpt, ?
[19:01] <statik> me
[19:01] <mpt> me
[19:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[19:01] <adeuring> me
[19:01] <flacoste> me
[19:02] <Rinchen> apologies from kiko, allenap, gmb
[19:02] <danilos> me
[19:02] <danilos> apology from jtv as well
[19:02] <Rinchen> I'm also guessing Steve is not available either
[19:02] <Rinchen> so releases is here
[19:02] <rockstar> me
[19:02] <Rinchen> bugs is here
[19:02] <thumper> abentley: ?
[19:02] <leonardr> me
[19:02] <abentley> me
[19:02] <Rinchen> bac, EdwinGrubbs ?
[19:02] <statik> bac is getting some food, i'm sure he'll be joining soon
[19:03] <mpt> SteveA_ says "I'm attending in spirit"
[19:03] <Rinchen> thumper?
[19:03] <EdwinGrubbs> I already me'ed
[19:03] <statik> Edwin is already here
[19:03] <thumper> Rinchen: I said me :)
[19:03] <Rinchen> thanks EdwinGrubbs
[19:03] <rockstar> thumper me'd
[19:03] <Rinchen> ok, I'm *really* tired.
[19:03] <BjornT> intellectronica: ping
[19:03] <intellectronica> me
[19:03] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Agenda
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * Next meeting
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * Actions from last meeting
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * Bug tags
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * DBA report (stub)
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * New packages required (salgado)
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[19:03] <Rinchen>  * Doc Team report (mrevell)
[19:03] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Next Meeting
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next Meeting
[19:04] <Rinchen> 10th, same time same place.
[19:04] <matsubara> Rinchen, I won't be around
[19:04] <Rinchen> thanks
[19:04] <Rinchen> anyone else?
[19:04] <thumper> I may not be around
[19:04] <schwuk> I won't be here - School Governor's meeting
[19:04] <Rinchen> kiko and steve are also not here that week
[19:04] <danilos> I wonćt be around
[19:05] <danilos> ok, that's Serbian Latin keyboard
[19:05] <Rinchen> thanks
[19:05] <danilos> I won't be around for the next 3 weeks (guadec then holidays)
[19:05] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Actions from last meeting
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from last meeting
[19:05] <Rinchen> none
[19:05] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Oops report (Matsubara)
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oops report (Matsubara)
[19:06] <matsubara> Hi, this is just a heads up for next week. I'd like to keep two oopses in the radar:
[19:06] <matsubara> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/244957 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/245260
[19:06] <matsubara> apart from that, I'll continue with the usual nagging based on the CurrentRolloutBlockers
[19:07] <matsubara> thanks everyone for the effort on fixing the outstanding issues. I really appreciate
[19:07] <Rinchen> I hear sinzui (who's not here) has volunteered to help next week
[19:07] <matsubara> that's all Rinchen
[19:07] <matsubara> yes, Curtis is going to back me up while I'm on vacation
[19:08] <Rinchen> excellent, many thanks to him!
[19:08] <Rinchen> thanks matsubara
[19:08] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[19:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[19:08] <Rinchen> we have a few but I know the status of them all
[19:08] <Rinchen> they are actively being merged into a branch destined for PQM
[19:09] <Rinchen> So I won't cover them here
[19:09] <Rinchen> Are there any questions about any of these?
[19:09] <Rinchen> https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs
[19:09] <sinzui> me
[19:09] <Rinchen> :-)
[19:10] <Rinchen> Ok, since I have the floor...
[19:10] <Rinchen> after bigjools's branch lands, RC is closing
[19:10] <Rinchen> pqm will open
[19:10] <Rinchen> (after the update of course)
[19:10] <thumper> eta?
[19:11] <Rinchen> 2 hours at least
[19:11] <BjornT> Rinchen: we're not waiting for that storm fix?
[19:11] <salgado> BjornT, already landed
[19:11] <Rinchen> BjornT, there are 2
[19:11] <Rinchen> 1 is landed, other is in bigjools branch
[19:11] <Rinchen> (the librarian patch)
[19:11] <BjornT> ah, cool. misread the e-mail sent to the list
[19:11] <Rinchen> I'm just missing the review for EdwinGrubbs branch and we'll be set
[19:12] <bigjools> it's probably a good idea if someone else lands it, as I am going out right after the meeting
[19:12] <sinzui> BjornT: You mean flacoste's twisted email?
[19:12] <Rinchen> any volunteers?
[19:12] <BjornT> sinzui: yes
[19:12] <cprov> bigjools: I can land it.
[19:12] <bigjools> the branch is pushed to devpad and the commit message is on CRB
[19:12] <flacoste> BjornT: no, that won't be fixed today
[19:13] <Rinchen> thanks cprov
[19:13] <cprov> bigjools: I will be around 'forever'.
[19:13] <bigjools> thank you cprov
[19:13]  * bigjools thinks that cprov is really a robot who doesn't sleep
[19:13] <Rinchen> if the branch fails, I'm currently thinking of resubmitting it and holding off on the update
[19:13] <Rinchen> anyway, stay tuned to normal channels
[19:13] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Bug tags
[19:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug tags
[19:13] <Rinchen> we have none
[19:13] <Rinchen> proposed
[19:13] <flacoste> bigjools, the story is that coffee is what actually runs in his veins
[19:14] <cprov> :)
[19:14] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[19:14] <bigjools> lol
[19:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[19:14] <herb> Our new OSA in AU started this week. Welcome spm to the team.
[19:14] <Rinchen> welcome spm!
[19:14] <herb> Early Tuesday (2008-07-01) 1.2.6 was rolled out.
[19:14] <herb> Yesterday we did a secondary roll out and we have another tentatively scheduledfor today.
[19:14] <herb> Yesterday a couple of app servers died seemingly without error. I collected logs and notified Rinchen. I didn't file a bug report and we haven't seen any such problems today.
[19:14] <herb> That's it for mthaddon, spm and me this week unless there are any questions.
[19:14] <mrevell> hi spm
[19:14] <bigjools> hi spm!
[19:14] <al-maisan> hello spm !
[19:14] <mars> hi spm, welcome to the team!
[19:14] <thumper> it is 4am for spm :)
[19:15] <matsubara> welcome spm!
[19:15] <Rinchen> herb, it will be really interesting to see if we have any of those after today's (Hopeful) update
[19:15] <barry> spm: there's no sleeping here!
[19:15] <danilos> wake up spm!
[19:15] <mthaddon> he'll be in in about 3 hours :)
[19:15]  * flacoste channels the irc2dream bot
[19:15]  * thumper is SO pleased to have an OSA in AU
[19:15] <Rinchen> thanks herb
[19:15] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] DBA report (stub)
[19:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  DBA report (stub)
[19:15] <stub> The Storm switch caused a load jump on the main db server. Plenty of landings have been made migrating the worst offending pages to storm native code or just fixing whatever issue was caused by the migration.
[19:15] <stub> This extra load of course slowed down other pages too, pushing them over the edge so pages that where previously slow became timeouts.
[19:15] <stub> In hindsight we should have been able to avoid this by tuning the soft timeout on edge and chasing them to zero rather than just worrying about the hard timeouts.
[19:15] <stub> Load is back at more acceptible levels now most of the time. Load of 6-8 is fine. When we spike to 10 things start sucking.  I can't see what that is from the debug logs, so will need to watch when it happens.
[19:16] <stub> And that is all I've typed so far...
[19:17] <Rinchen> Anything else for stub?
[19:17] <stub> I thought my network had died ;)
[19:17] <stub> Just the conversation.
[19:17] <Rinchen> stub, you'll be around at 6am UTC today to have a look?
[19:18] <stub> Yer - after my coffee and everything.
[19:18] <Rinchen> thanks
[19:18] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:18] <Rinchen> Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent? I know about Thumper's, JML's two, and Soyuz P3A.
[19:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:19] <Rinchen> ok, that was easy :-)
[19:19] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] New packages required (salgado
[19:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  New packages required (salgado
[19:19] <Rinchen> )
[19:19] <salgado> anything for this week?
[19:19] <salgado> I hope not
[19:19] <Rinchen> dearly hope not
[19:19] <thumper> salgado: do we have the new loggerhead dependencies?
[19:19] <salgado> thumper, no
[19:20] <thumper> salgado: I'll email you later
[19:20] <salgado> thumper, I need a bug against meta-lp-deps and an RT
[19:20] <thumper> k
[19:20] <Rinchen> anything else for salgado ?
[19:20] <Rinchen> thanks salgado
[19:20] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[19:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[19:21] <mrevell> The main user-affecting issue this week has clearly been that some people have been unable to access their Launchpad accounts. When attempting to log in, Launchpad has given them the error message "This account cannot be used".
[19:21] <mrevell> I understand sinzui has been working on this and that we should expect the fix imminently.
[19:21] <sinzui> mrevell: correct
[19:21] <mrevell> Other than that, we've had our usual batch of "please unsubscribe" me requests.
[19:21] <sinzui> mrevell: The final fix will be rolled out today
[19:21] <mrevell> Great, thanks sinzui
[19:21]  * Rinchen crosses his fingers.
[19:21] <mrevell> Unless we need to discuss either issue, back to you Rinchen
[19:21] <mpt> mrevell, how many of those do you get per week?
[19:22] <mrevell> mpt: Unsubscribe requests?
[19:22]  * sinzui crosses his eyes and toes
[19:22] <mpt> mrevell, and how many of those are subscribed to all Ubuntu bug reports?
[19:22] <mpt> mrevell, yes
[19:22] <mrevell> mpt: Most of them are structural subs to Ubuntu and I'd say I get four a week, sometimes more.
[19:23] <mrevell> mpt: They have no idea how to unsubscribe, but we've discussed that here before.
[19:23] <mpt> Maybe that could be taken into account in prioritizing the relevant fixes
[19:23] <mpt> thanks mrevell
[19:23] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Doc Team report (mrevell)
[19:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Doc Team report (mrevell)
[19:23] <mrevell> I posted a Blueprint section of the user guide to the team list. All feedback appreciated, but I understand it's a busy time.
[19:23] <mrevell> Thanks to everyone who's sent feedback on the latest revision of the tour to hit the team list. All feedback gratefull received.
[19:23] <mrevell> That version of the tour content is slightly out of date, so I'll send a revised version soon.
[19:24] <mrevell> No actual doc team news this week.
[19:24] <mrevell> Thanks Rinchen.
[19:24] <Rinchen> thanks mrevell ....just punt the files to me and I'll refresh
[19:24] <mrevell> ok, thanks Rinchen
[19:24] <Rinchen> ok, and one last item.....before we go
[19:24] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] New MOTU Rep - mrevell
[19:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  New MOTU Rep - mrevell
[19:24] <mrevell> As you may know, Jordan Mantha is taking a break from Ubuntu-related activities. As a result, he's no longer our MOTU liaison. Instead, Reinhard Tartler (siretart) has stepped up to the job. Unfortunately, he can't join us this evening as he has a LUG meeting.
[19:24] <mrevell> He'd like to improve communication between LP and MOTU and would like to try out a regular meeting. I've posted details to the team list.
[19:24] <mrevell> I'd be grateful if you could think of ways in which we can make use of Reinhard's time in order to improve the way we work with MOTU.
[19:25] <mrevell> Thanks Rinchen and everyone.
[19:25] <Rinchen> Thanks mrevell.
[19:25] <Rinchen> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Developer Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[19:25] <Rinchen> #endmeeting
[19:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:26.
[19:25] <Rinchen> not a record finish but early!
[19:25] <thumper> OMG
[19:26] <thumper> thanks Rinchen
[19:26] <mrevell> :) Thanks Rinchen
[19:26] <barry> Rinchen: wow, thanks.  i aspire to keeping the reviewer's meetings as short :)
[19:49] <bac> me
[19:58] <salgado> bac, just 1h late. ;)
[19:59] <bac> salgado: yeah.  but it only took me 10 minutes to read the backlog!
[22:11] <CWii> Did I miss the meeting?
[22:13] <CWii> Yeah, I did :(
[22:18]  * CWii reads the logs


[04:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntukylin-default-settings (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.4.4 => <IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntukylin)
[05:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unattended-upgrades (bionic-proposed/main) [1.1ubuntu1 => 1.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[06:19] <tsimonq2> slangasek, apw: Can I please get some ANAIS cleanup for gammaray? qtwebengine isn't available on ppc64el or s390x.
[06:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (artful-proposed) [4.13.0-46.51]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cctools [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [6.2.9-2]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cctools [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [6.2.9-3]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cctools [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [6.2.9-4]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cctools [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [6.2.9-2]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cctools [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [6.2.9-4]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cctools [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [6.2.9-3]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tarantool [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>.g63eb81e3c-1]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tarantool [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>.g63eb81e3c-1]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tarantool [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>.g63eb81e3c-1]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tarantool [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>.g63eb81e3c-1]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted manila [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1:6.0.0-2ubuntu1]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted murano [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1:5.0.0-1ubuntu1]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mistral [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [6.0.0-3ubuntu1]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ndctl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [60.1-0ubuntu1]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gemma [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.97+dfsg-2]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gudhi [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.1.0+dfsg-2]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gudhi [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [2.1.0+dfsg-2]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gemma [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.97+dfsg-2]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gudhi [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [2.1.0+dfsg-2]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gudhi [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.1.0+dfsg-2]
[08:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: python-3parclient (cosmic-proposed/primary) [4.2.7-0ubuntu1]
[08:36] <jamespage> ^^ that's a package rename that should have happened 2 years ago...
[08:36] <jamespage> python-hp3parclient is the old name
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.4.0-129.155] (core, kernel)
[08:48] <LocutusOfBorg> jamespage, why diverging from debian?
[08:49] <jamespage> LocutusOfBorg: debian needs to catchup as well - I'll talk with zigo
[08:49] <LocutusOfBorg> https://pypi.debian.net/3parclient returns nothing
[08:49] <LocutusOfBorg> this one works https://pypi.debian.net/hp3parclient
[08:50] <jamespage> try https://pypi.debian.net/python-3parclient
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> yeah got it
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> nice way to rename a package!
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> :/
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> (I mean, why upstream is prepending "python-" to the name... meh)
[08:51] <LocutusOfBorg> can't you just commit to pkg-openstack the change for Debian too?
[08:52] <LocutusOfBorg> onovy is probably the best person to talk with
[08:53] <jamespage> I wish I felt I could (there is quite a bit of history here)
[08:53] <jamespage> but yes maybe onovy is a better person to talk to
[08:53] <jamespage> I already pinged him about something else so I'll raise this as well
[08:57] <LocutusOfBorg> I requested access to pkg-openstack salsa team, why can't you join?
[09:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.4.0-129.155]
[09:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libvirt (bionic-proposed/main) [4.0.0-1ubuntu8.2 => 4.0.0-1ubuntu8.3] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[09:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (bionic-proposed/main) [1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.3 => 1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.4] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[10:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libclc (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.2.0+git20170330-3~16.04.1 => 0.2.0+git20180312-1~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[10:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.4]
[11:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libvirt [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.0.0-1ubuntu8.3]
[11:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: llvm-toolchain-6.0 [s390x] (xenial-proposed/universe) [1:6.0-1ubuntu2~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-6.0 [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.0-1ubuntu2~16.04.1]
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-6.0 [armhf] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.0-1ubuntu2~16.04.1]
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-6.0 [powerpc] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.0-1ubuntu2~16.04.1]
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-6.0 [s390x] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.0-1ubuntu2~16.04.1]
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-6.0 [arm64] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.0-1ubuntu2~16.04.1]
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-6.0 [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.0-1ubuntu2~16.04.1]
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-6.0 [i386] (xenial-proposed) [1:6.0-1ubuntu2~16.04.1]
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdm3 (bionic-proposed/main) [3.28.2-0ubuntu1.2 => 3.28.2-0ubuntu1.3] (ubuntu-desktop)
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected lastpass-cli [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.0-1.2ubuntu2]
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lastpass-cli (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-1.2ubuntu1 => 1.0.0-1.2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[13:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nux (artful-proposed/universe) [4.0.8+17.10.20170922-0ubuntu1 => 4.0.8+17.10.20180613.3-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[13:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nux (xenial-proposed/main) [4.0.8+16.04.20170816-0ubuntu1 => 4.0.8+16.04.20180613.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[13:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nux (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.0.8+17.10.20170922-0ubuntu1 => 4.0.8+18.04.20180613.5-0ubuntu1] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:37] <Laney> heh, those packagesets show an interesting change in the importance of nux
[13:46] <didrocks> I'm still set as the maintainer for it, we should SRU that :p
[13:46] <didrocks> (getting spam ;))
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, if you don't want debootstrap merged please speak *now* :)
[14:53] <Trevinho> rbasak: hey have you some time for approve the SRU for branches mentioned in https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/active?search=1768610
[14:53] <Trevinho> As for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/1768610 making it SRU compliant now
[14:53] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1768610 in nux (Ubuntu Bionic) "leftover conffile forces GNOME is software rendering" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:54] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, why would you ask me, if i'm not the one who has touched-it-last.
[14:54] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, and it is inapproriate for you to touch or change that package, without coordination
[14:54] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, serious, debootstrap is by far not the only piece that we will need to change, and it is not your call to change it
[14:55] <xnox> nor mine
[14:55] <xnox> either
[14:55] <LocutusOfBorg> nvm, it would be autosyncd
[14:55] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, it has no delta now
[14:55] <xnox> correct, and with usr-merge off for ubuntu's scripts
[14:55] <LocutusOfBorg> nope
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apache2 [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.4.29-1ubuntu4.2]
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debootstrap/commit/b77d34572cd2c0c42e33e78803d661423c0bd60c
[14:56] <xnox> that is not an invintation for you to upload a change to that.
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> oh yeah, cosmic is out
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, sooooo a problem for cosmic+1
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> nice, no action is good then
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> (I was wondering cosmic being with merged usr)
[14:56] <xnox> specifically, no actions from you are requested wrt. to changing this
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm really not the one who introduces deltas in Ubuntu :)
[14:57] <rbasak> Trevinho: any reason for urgency? The queues are rather long at the moment and I try to process them FIFO otherwise.
[14:58] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, I didn't discover your comment on the merge, nice seems we have the same idea :)
[14:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apache2 [source] (artful-proposed) [2.4.27-2ubuntu4.2]
[14:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apache2 [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.4.18-2ubuntu3.9]
[15:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lastpass-cli [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.0-1.2ubuntu2]
[15:02] <Trevinho> rbasak: we need that for .1 for sure, it's breaking the desktop usage for anyone upgrading
[15:02] <Trevinho> .1 is far, but soon is better than later
[15:03] <Trevinho> also because people could upgrade in any moment
[15:03] <Trevinho> by breaking = always running in 2d mode, thus with slowness and high cpu usage
[15:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected appstream-glib [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.5.13-1ubuntu6]
[15:19] <slangasek> tsimonq2: did the gammary cleanup get done?  I see it only in cosmic now
[15:19] <slangasek> tsimonq2: (not in -proposed)
[15:20] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Looks like it just migrated.
[15:20] <tsimonq2> Thanks anyway.
[15:22] <slangasek> k
[15:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected iperf [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.0.5+dfsg1-2ubuntu0.1]
[15:26]  * rbasak is looking at nux now
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nux [sync] (artful-proposed) [4.0.8+17.10.20180613.3-0ubuntu1]
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nux [sync] (bionic-proposed) [4.0.8+18.04.20180613.5-0ubuntu1]
[15:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nux [sync] (xenial-proposed) [4.0.8+16.04.20180613.1-0ubuntu1]
[15:44] <rbalint> rbasak, could you please approve gce-compute-image-packages for trusty?
[15:45] <rbalint> rbasak, tracking bug: LP: #1770650
[15:45] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1770650 in gce-compute-image-packages (Ubuntu Trusty) "Update google compute-image-packages to 20180510" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1770650
[15:45] <rbasak> rbalint: I don't see it in the queue
[15:46] <rbasak> Oh. You mean release?
[15:47] <rbalint> rbasak, yes, s/approve/release/
[15:47] <rbasak> Ah
[15:47] <rbasak> rbalint: it's not reached the minimum aging period
[15:47] <rbalint> rbasak, yes, it has the exception, it is detailed in the bug
[15:48]  * rbasak reads
[15:48] <Trevinho> rbasak: thanks
[15:52] <rbasak> rbalint: I don't see anything about an exception to the minimum aging period
[15:57] <rbalint> rbasak, well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gce-compute-image-packages-Updates does not explicitly mention aging but overrides the SRU process, so there is ambiguity indeed
[15:58] <rbalint> rbasak, in practice we did not require aging i think, sil2100, what is your take on this?
[15:59] <rbalint> rbasak, sil2100 i'm updating the wiki to be clear about this
[15:59] <rbasak> I don't think it's at all ambiguous. If the aging period is to be skipped, I'd expect that to be documented separately. We normally follow aging for all other existing SRU exceptions, AFAIK.
[15:59] <rbasak> rbalint: what's the justification for skipping it? Any changes will need reapproval from the SRU team BTW. Please don't just change the wiki.
[16:01] <rbasak> (tzdata etc. don't have aging but they are documented exceptional exceptions)
[16:12] <rbalint> rbasak, sil2100: i'm asking for clarification here if we are supposed to speed up aging just forgot adding it to the wiki
[16:13] <rbalint> rbasak, sil2100: imo in this package's case that would be warranted since no one tests the packages from -proposed apart CPC and GCE and they are part of the verification
[16:17] <rbasak> Our SRU verification model allows for any interested user to do testing and provide feedback in advance of an SRU release. Even as a one-off.
[16:17] <rbasak> I'm not sure we want to lose that without justification.
[16:17] <rbasak> rbalint: what's the downside to keeping the aging period?
[16:19] <rbasak> (an example: user has obscure use case, but runs CI. User detects problem with -proposed package and reports verification failure)
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iperf (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.0.5+dfsg1-2 => 2.0.5+dfsg1-2ubuntu0.1] (edubuntu)
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-lts-xenial [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.4.0-129.155~14.04.1] (kernel)
[17:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-lts-xenial [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [4.4.0-129.155~14.04.1]
[18:57] <rbalint> rbasak, this package is used only in Google's cloud, only Google performs verification outside of Canonical and Google tells us when the package is ready to be released
[18:58] <rbalint> rbasak, waiting one week adds no extra QA but slows down the release to Google's infrastructure
[19:07] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Out of curiosity, when a package is removed from Debian, is there some sort of process for following through in Cosmic or is it (semi-)automatic?
[19:09] <tsimonq2> slangasek: I'm specifically looking at src:jovie, Debian bug 900922 has removal details, and removal would fix bug 1757665.
[19:09] <ubot5`> Debian bug 900922 in ftp.debian.org "RM: jovie -- ROM; obsolete, not used anymore" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/900922
[19:09] <ubot5`> bug 1757665 in jovie (Ubuntu) "Please port your package away from Qt 4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757665
[19:10] <slangasek> tsimonq2: semiautomatic.  We have a 'process-removals' script that AAs run from time to time.
[19:10] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Ah, OK.
[19:16] <slangasek> coreycb: ^^ on the question of removals, it seems Debian has removed vmware-nsx as "not needed" (Debian bug #897331) but you have been updating it in Ubuntu.  Should we remove or keep?
[19:16] <ubot5`> Debian bug 897331 in ftp.debian.org "RM: vmware-nsx -- ROM; Not needed, FTBFS, closed source solution" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/897331
[19:23] <coreycb> slangasek: let's keep it for now. it's still actively being developed but sounds like zigo doesn't want to support it. jamespage, thoughts on that?
[19:35] <slangasek> tsimonq2: kttsd is seeded as 'supported' in kubuntu; do you want to take care of cleaning up the seed?
[19:35] <slangasek> tsimonq2: (kttsd from jovie source)
[19:35] <tsimonq2> slangasek: ENOACCESS to I defer to acheronuk unless you want to JFDI.
[19:35] <tsimonq2> s/to/so/
[19:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: initramfs-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [0.122ubuntu8.11 => 0.122ubuntu8.12] (core)
[20:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: initramfs-tools (artful-proposed/main) [0.125ubuntu12.1 => 0.125ubuntu12.2] (core)
[20:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: initramfs-tools (bionic-proposed/main) [0.130ubuntu3.1 => 0.130ubuntu3.2] (core)
[22:03]  * rbalint EODs
[22:31] <acheronuk> tsimonq2 slangasek: will look in the morning on kttsd
[22:31]  * acheronuk goes zzzzzzzz
[23:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-orderedmultidict [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/none) [1.0-3] (no packageset)
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libopencsd [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-1] (no packageset)
[23:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libopencsd [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-1] (no packageset)
[23:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-bx [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-bx [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libopencsd [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libopencsd [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-1] (no packageset)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libopencsd [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-1] (no packageset)
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libopencsd [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-1] (no packageset)
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-bx [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-bx [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libopencsd [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-1]
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libopencsd [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-1]
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libopencsd [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-1]
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-3parclient [source] (cosmic-proposed) [4.2.7-0ubuntu1]
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libopencsd [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-1]
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libopencsd [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-1]
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libopencsd [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-1]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-bx [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-bx [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-orderedmultidict [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0-3]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-bx [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-2]
[23:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-bx [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-2]
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-3parclient [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [4.2.7-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-bx [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-2] (no packageset)
[23:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-3parclient [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.2.7-0ubuntu1]
[23:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-bx [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.8.1-2]
[23:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libcdio [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.0.0-1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[23:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libcdio [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.0.0-1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[23:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libcdio [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.0.0-1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libcdio [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.0.0-1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libcdio [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.0.0-1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
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[05:34] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: have you tried other versions of ubuntu?
[05:35] <hispeed67> ubuntu 15.10, xubuntu and studio..
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: what kind of grafix card?
[05:35] <hispeed67> laptop.. toshiba
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: sudo lshw -C video
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: toshiba can hold some bios firmware updates perhaps, doublecheck their website please
[05:36] <hispeed67> product: 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
[05:36] <hispeed67>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: nvidia card also?
[05:37] <hispeed67> no..
[05:38] <hispeed67> wasn't aware you could install a video card on a laptop..
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: you sure its not an optimus card right?
[05:38] <hispeed67>  configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[05:38] <hispeed67> built in video with intel chipset..
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: doesnt show unclaimed card above or?
[05:38] <hispeed67> no
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> ok good
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: maybe you should also test a lubuntu veriant
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: as your card isnt for heavy works
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: your system eats grafix + cpu work both on your cpu, no wonder your fan blows
[05:40] <hispeed67> sigh
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: you could test out lubuntu from your existing system perhaps
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> logout and login to lubuntu
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> to see if things go smoother
[05:41] <hispeed67> ok.. d/l'ing now
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !info lubuntu-desktop | hispeed67
[05:42] <hispeed67> what is lubuntu variant for?
[05:42] <hispeed67> thnx
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: lubuntu is the lightest of all ubuntu's
[05:42] <hispeed67> damn, and here all this time, i been d/l'ing iso's to change variant..
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: i also reccomend you an ssd for your system
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: you can test flavors from existing systems, but its reccomended the way you do it
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: grab the iso and install clean if your real happy with lubuntu
[05:43] <hispeed67> im thinking bout getting a new laptop around x-mas time/new years..
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: dont, and install a samsung 850 pro ssd in your toshiba
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> as long as your laptop works
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> use it
[05:44] <hispeed67> what is good place for small screen (14"), i7, no cd-rom?
[05:44] <hispeed67> no dvd.
[05:44] <hispeed67> slow as shit..
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: im in diffferent country then you, not sure mate
[05:45] <hispeed67> right on..
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> but again, try an ssd
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> it will give you a big boost
[05:45] <hispeed67> hate to waste my terrabyte h
[05:45] <hispeed67> ard drive.. only one h/d bay
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah but your TB hd slows your system
[05:45] <hispeed67> really???
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> buy a cheap external enclosure and put the 1TB there
[05:46] <hispeed67> vs. ssd, sure..
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> then plugin samsung 850 pro in the laptop
[05:46] <hispeed67> already have 2 external terrabyte drive..
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> big internal drives are bottleneck
[05:46] <hispeed67> and a 500gb external (movies, tv shows and music)
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> their good for storage yes
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> but not for fast active work
[05:47] <hispeed67> at least /home has it's own partition.. ;)
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: im running xenial for test also on my ssd desktop 8sec boot
[05:47] <hispeed67> boot time doesn't matter to me, i only boot about 1 time per week.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> same on my netbook
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> right
[05:48] <hispeed67> dfsdf
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> but data transfer, fast work, fast unpacking
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> all good on ssd
[05:51] <hispeed67> i was thinking it was change to systemd
[05:52] <hispeed67> all done.
[05:52] <hispeed67> logout/login?
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:52] <hispeed67> brb
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> and click the icon for lubuntu
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> wb
[05:55] <hispeed67> that was cool.. ;)
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | hispeed67 install this one also
[05:57] <hispeed67> done
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: will speed things up too
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> after reboot
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> now keep an eye on htop what it does
[05:58] <hispeed67> what is difference tween cpu util and system load?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> on lubuntu?
[05:58] <hispeed67> in htop
[05:59] <hispeed67> i can send you a screen capture of xchat and htop
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> ah not sure didnt test myself for some time
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> system will be ram i think
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> cpu, cpu
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: doesnt transfer
[06:03] <hispeed67> oh, i stopped it.. i figured you didn't want it..
[06:03] <hispeed67> re offering.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> prolly yout router blocking
[06:03] <hispeed67> yea weird.. says connect.. dammit.
[06:03] <hispeed67> yea, prolly.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> use tinypic
[06:04] <hispeed67> not installed, unable to locate package.
[06:05] <hispeed67> man, there's a lot of shit running i don't recognize..
[06:05] <hispeed67> quit using for like 8 years..
[06:05] <hispeed67> been back for like 3..
[06:06] <hispeed67> used for like 6 years before that maybe..
[06:06] <hispeed67> yeah, that's about right.. started using in 94/95.. until 02/03 or so.. started again around 2010
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: tinypic is for online sharing
[06:07] <hispeed67> ok.. hang on.
[06:07] <hispeed67> website?
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> yea
[06:09] <hispeed67> click on send via e-mail or no? just upload..
[06:10] <hispeed67> http://tinypic.com/r/ddcn60/9
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> got it
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> lags like hell
[06:21] <hispeed67> !info modemmanager
[06:21] <hispeed67> not needed if i don't have a modem, right?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: so overall lubuntu speed is good now?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> fan noise?
[06:22] <hispeed67> better.. still runs.. off for like 2-5 seconds and back on for a couple seconds..
[06:23] <hispeed67> got rid of ninja
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:23] <hispeed67> gonna start getting rid of things i don't use.. i have no modems, so i don't need modemmanager, right?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: doublecheck toshiba website for bios upgrades
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: i reccomend you to let lubuntu as default
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> it should run lightweight like this
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> if you dont have modem, it wont use modem manager anyway
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> 3mb wont make any difference right
[06:25] <hispeed67> its not memory that's the problem, i have 8 G and im using 1.25G
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:27] <hispeed67> only way to check my current bios is reboot and go into biod, right?
[06:28] <hispeed67> it's like the cpu never idles
[06:31] <hispeed67> im gonna reboot and check bios version
[06:31] <hispeed67> brb
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> hispeed67: wb
[07:17] <hispeed67> dude.. i don't know what happened.. system hosed for a minute.. re-installing a bunch of stuff that it says i need.. cmake (wtf?) i couldn't get to xchat servers.. thought it might have been modemmanager
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> told you not to mess with default stuff
[07:19] <hispeed67> now when i run apt-get install i get warning: the following packages cannot be authenticated
[07:19] <hispeed67> i could get pkgs via www and manually install them.
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> install what
[07:19] <hispeed67> anything.
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> dont install things manual
[07:19] <hispeed67> modemmanager now
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> and use sudo
[07:19] <hispeed67> i used sudo
[07:19] <hispeed67> asks if i want to install without verification.
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> weird
[07:21] <hispeed67> updating now.. then ill run upgrade again.
[07:21] <hispeed67> was getting an error about modemmanager.. hahaha.. ooops
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> kk
[07:24] <hispeed67> brb
[07:29] <hispeed67> !info osspd
[07:30] <hispeed67> any idea what that is?
[07:31] <hispeed67> fan isn't running all the time now.. everything seems to be working..
[07:31] <hispeed67> re-installed modemmanager..
[07:37] <hispeed67> all fixed.
[07:38] <hispeed67> modemmanager and ninja  are re-installed..
[07:38] <hispeed67> don't know what it was.. but now all cpus are in single digit in htop
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:40] <hispeed67> check it out
[07:40] <hispeed67> http://tinypic.com/r/65070p/9
[07:40] <hispeed67> and back to ubuntu studio
[07:40] <hispeed67> not lubuntu
[07:41] <hispeed67> notice the 'load average'
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> :p
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[09:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:46] <penguin42> hey BK
[12:47]  * penguin42 just got a 'Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/universe/binary-i386/Packages Hash Sum mismatch'
[12:48] <penguin42> hmmm OK now
[12:49] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42


[04:46] <frickler> jamespage: coreycb: did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1939733 ? the issue seems to affect all UCA versions, too. it might also be worth to get the RCE fix for dnsmasq into UCA
[10:29] <P-NuT> Morning all.
[10:32] <P-NuT> Redhat has the concept of kickstart and debian has debian installer preeseeding but ubuntu 20.04 seems to have moved to subiquity and d-i preseeding doesn't work any more.
[10:32] <P-NuT> So, how can I PXE boot my bare metal servers with Ubuntu 20.04?
[13:02] <icey> frickler: thanks for the poke on that
[13:50] <frickler> ftr, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/server-installer-plans-for-20-04-lts/13631 discusses preseeding for 20.04 onwards. tldr (IMHO): use maas or try to use cloud-init with custom user-data


[23:12] <ncweber> Hello
[23:14] <ncweber> Anyone about?
[23:20] <maco> aye
[23:26] <ncweber> Oh okay
[23:27] <ncweber> Took me a while to figure out how to get to this IRC channel. :P