[00:00] <wgrant> Unless a build had failed.
[00:00] <wgrant> maxb: Or was this to a different archive?
[00:01] <maxb> Cross archive, mercurial-ppa/staging-releases -> mercurial-ppa/releases
[00:01] <wgrant> Ah, right
[00:01] <maxb> the hardy item
[00:01] <wgrant> So it's not really a bug at all, you probably just didn't wait quite long enough;
[00:01] <wgrant> No invariant has been violated.
[00:11] <maxb> oH
[00:11] <maxb> I see why I was confused
[00:11] <maxb> The +listing-archive-extra expandy bit used to mention if some of the binaries were still unpublished
[00:11] <maxb> Apparently it no longer does
[00:20] <wgrant> maxb: It's meant to...
[10:00] <mthaddon> launchpad list archives are going to be down for a while (possibly 30 mins or so)
[10:01] <lifeless> mthaddon: new machine?
[10:02] <mthaddon> lifeless: moving a bunch of servers from one row to another in the DC
[10:03] <mthaddon> lifeless: how's it going with you?
[10:03] <lifeless> mthaddon: pretty good, just relaxing and hacking on testtools ;)
[10:04] <lifeless> mthaddon: and thinking about what to put in my LCA paper for week after next:)
[10:04] <mthaddon> aha!
[14:29] <yofel> hi, could someone tell me what's wrong with https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/4228562 ?
[14:30] <yofel> OOPS-1a6cdea7d03e7846fba4a73a749d719e
[15:41] <daker> hey guys i think LP down
[15:44] <yofel> I agree
[15:45] <cjohnston> there is maintenance going on
[15:45] <yofel> ah ok, thanks
[15:46]  * Laney doesn't see an update on @launchpadstatus
[15:46] <daker> and no announcement ??
[16:00] <yofel> back online it seems
[18:13] <cqfd93> Hello All
[18:16] <cqfd93> I want to tell the devs that working on translations in Rosetta is REALLY REALLY PAINFUL!
[18:16] <cqfd93> LOTS OF TIMEOUT ERRORS and even worse PLEASE TRY AGAIN
[18:16] <cqfd93> that make you loose a complete page of 10 translations
[18:16] <cqfd93> and considerably slow down work
[18:18] <cqfd93> I'm working on the French translation of the DDTPs that have two huge templates, but the problem is now everywhere, even with small templates
[18:18] <cqfd93> I think we DO need a fix for that problem
[19:58] <Jacky> Is there any way to undelete this PPA?
[19:58] <Jacky> https://launchpad.net/~speechcontrol-devel/+archive/stable/+packages
[20:03] <Jacky> O_o?
[22:15] <shadeslayer> Hi, if it's not too much work, would it be possible to rescore these builds https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/web-accounts/+build/4232281 , https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/web-accounts/+build/4232282 , release critical builds I'm afraid :(
[23:29] <Jacky_> Fixed my issue thanks to a friend, will blog about it.


[01:01] <SegFaultAX> I have a trivial upstart script (basically just the exec line). `service myserv start` works as expected, but `service myserv stop` does not (errors with "Unknown instance")
[01:02] <SegFaultAX> The /var/run/myserv.pid is being updated correctly.
[01:20] <stgraber> sounds like that service is forking and you're missing an "expect fork" or "expect daemon" statement
[01:27] <SegFaultAX> stgraber: So that's the strange bit...
[01:28] <SegFaultAX> stgraber: It seems like my program is actually writing its pre-daemonized pid to the pidfile.
[01:28] <SegFaultAX> (uwsgi in this case). But I do have an expect fork, should it be expect daemon?
[01:30] <SegFaultAX> stgraber: Pff, you're a king. Got it.
[01:51] <SpamapS> seems like everybody has been fighting uwsgi + upstart these days
[01:53] <stgraber> SegFaultAX: most daemons do double-fork, those need "expect daemon", for simple fork, "expect fork" is enough. If you're not familiar with the code of the daemon, you basically have to try and see which works.
[01:58] <SpamapS> I dunno if I'd say most daemons do
[01:58] <SpamapS> in my experience it has been 50/50
[01:58] <SpamapS> since its not actually necessary to fork twice
[02:08] <SegFaultAX> SpamapS: Is it not? I thought you need 2 to ensure your process doesn't reconnect to a tty by accident?
[02:23] <SpamapS> nope
[02:24] <SpamapS> SegFaultAX: you just have to close/setsid properly.


[00:00] <Eickmeyer> Well, too late now.
[00:05] <OvenWerks> window handles are pretty narrow and impossible to grab
[00:07] <OvenWerks> there, fixed...
[00:11] <OvenWerks> xfce4-color-settings just crashed... maybe I give it nothing to do :)
[00:12] <OvenWerks> but it seemed to crash on applet exit so maybe a false positive
[00:13] <Eickmeyer> It's a false positive and a known issue upstream.
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> The window handle issue is also known, and it's not necessarily theme specific.
[00:14] <OvenWerks> hmm moving to a new theme seemed to help.
[00:14] <OvenWerks> but then I have always switched to something with wide borders off the top
[00:15] <Eickmeyer> Yes, but the Xfce developers know that they need to have better window management in Xfwm to handle any theme.
[00:15] <Eickmeyer> Even Graybird (Xubuntu's theme) has the same issue.
[00:15] <Eickmeyer> And it's considered Xfce's standard.
[00:15] <OvenWerks> I use Moheli
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> Yes, but you go for function over form.
[00:16] <OvenWerks> (with Numix colours)
[00:17] <OvenWerks> Gives me a nice orange title bar
[00:17]  * OvenWerks installs synaptic
[00:19] <OvenWerks> none of the menu icons are oversized this time even from right click on the desktop
[00:20] <Eickmeyer> Status on respin and everything is here and gets updated as they go: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-lts-final-release-status-tracking/15366
[00:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: BTW, the plymouth screen on ISO live boot is different from shutdown and install startup
[00:22] <OvenWerks> I don't know if thats good or bad
[00:22] <Eickmeyer> Plymouth or grub? Do you mean the progress bar?
[00:22] <OvenWerks> but it does give a lot more info while booting
[00:22] <OvenWerks> ya progress bar instead of spining dot
[00:23] <Eickmeyer> That's just for the validation check. I had nothing to do with that, and it's not part of a normal boot.
[00:23] <OvenWerks> I figured I was just surprised (twice)
[00:57] <OvenWerks> I like the CDE theme. Reall easy to grab handles
[01:00] <StevenJayCohen> I agree, I think defaulting to nothing makes more sense
[01:01] <StevenJayCohen>  * I agree, I think defaulting to not mounting CDs makes more sense
[01:04] <OvenWerks> as Eickmeyer said it seems kde already does this
[01:07] <OvenWerks> here is the theme I am trying: https://imgur.com/0RK9566.png
[01:08] <OvenWerks> There are some things not quite right with it. when I took the screen shot, I selected area and then the whole screen went grey so I had to guess at the area.
[01:08] <OvenWerks> I am guessing it doesn't handle alpha very well
[01:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: we lost simnple scanner? it got renamed? we got something better?
[01:13] <OvenWerks> simple scanner got renamed
[01:13] <OvenWerks> and it does not follow the desktop theme.... it has been gnomed....  :P
[01:14] <OvenWerks> the window handles are impossible to grab
[01:14]  * OvenWerks hopes plasma comes with a better scanner app
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> !info skanlite focal
[01:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[01:26] <OvenWerks> that is what comes in kde?
[01:26] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: By default? I don't know. RikMills? ^
[01:27] <OvenWerks> if it's better we can add it next cycle
[01:27]  * OvenWerks is loading kubuntu next
[01:31] <OvenWerks> anyway, everything seems to work despite all my drama...
[01:39] <Eickmeyer> Heh
[08:37] <RikMills> OvenWerks: yes, skanlite
[08:41] <StevenJayCohen> <OvenWerks "here is the theme I am trying: h"> That is a nice CDE theme.
[08:44] <StevenJayCohen> This is sort of the KDE of where we're at now: https://store.kde.org/p/1229134/
[08:48] <StevenJayCohen> wow, people will do anything if you let them: https://store.kde.org/p/1157516/
[08:50] <RikMills> StevenJayCohen: you can still build and run CDE on Ubuntu!
[08:51] <RikMills> OvenWerks: ^
[08:54] <StevenJayCohen> I do love that
[08:55] <StevenJayCohen> You're making me want to play with GNUStep stuff again. Stop it!
[08:58] <RikMills> StevenJayCohen: https://i.imgur.com/alS8LhF.jpg
[08:58] <RikMills> real CDE on bionic
[09:00] <StevenJayCohen> scrollbar doesn't look right
[09:01] <RikMills> that is because firefox uses the gtk one, no matter what the system thinks
[09:04] <StevenJayCohen> foo
[09:12] <StevenJayCohen> I do like Materia, even Materia-KDE
[09:15] <RikMills> new build for you lot coming soon
[10:04] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: I'm awake, and smoke testing here shortly.
[10:04] <Eickmeyer> (was up at 3am yesterday, my body seemed to think it's a good idea)
[10:07] <RikMills> tsimonq2 is just living UK time today :P
[10:09] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2 is insane, and I'm missing his presence at LFNW this year. Really, missing everyone at LFNW this year.
[10:10] <tsimonq2> RikMills: So, I've been up since 2 PM yesterday. It's now 5 AM.
[10:10] <tsimonq2> I'm actually trying (and failing) to reach a stopping point to go get another energy drink.
[10:10]  * RikMills hands you a redbull
[10:10] <tsimonq2> I already have a case, but thanks.
[10:12] <Eickmeyer> I guess I'll sleep when I'm dead.
[10:12] <tsimonq2> Precisely.
[10:12] <StevenJayCohen> you guys deserve a brain break
[10:12] <StevenJayCohen> (I mean that in a good way)
[10:12] <StevenJayCohen> sot of a brain spa... that doesn't sound much better
[10:13] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: In case you're wondering, tsimonq2 mostly leads Lubuntu. Mostly. :D
[10:13] <tsimonq2> StevenJayCohen: I schedule my time off.
[10:13] <StevenJayCohen> I just installed Lubuntu on a Dell Netbook, kudos tsimonq2 !
[10:14] <tsimonq2> When I'm not grinding for cash to throw into these markets or hacking away on some project that may or may not include Lubuntu, I do sometimes relax. Sometimes.
[10:14] <tsimonq2> StevenJayCohen: :D
[10:14] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I may or may not be the Team Lead.
[10:15] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Oh and btw, something something sphinx not going in, something something stuck in proposed, something something ping Eickmeyer.
[10:15] <StevenJayCohen> I need breaks, without them, on some issues, I just spin my wheels. I'm that guy who falls asleep with a problem and wakes up with an idea
[10:15] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I was raging at the CI when I read that, so best to just go check out release.
[10:15] <StevenJayCohen> tsimonq2: Team lead and team then? I've been there (1 man dept)
[10:15] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I saw, and something something respin being smoke-tested...
[10:16] <tsimonq2> StevenJayCohen: I figured out that by carefully planning my breaks and relaxation, I about double my productivity. I bet RikMills can imagine me at double speed...
[10:16] <tsimonq2> StevenJayCohen: Nope, our team has about 10 official members and 15 others that I'd say take care of various things.
[10:16] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Throw it at the wall. Hard. Did it break? No? Ship it.
[10:18] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: That's about where I'm at with it. If it boots, it's good. :D
[10:18] <RikMills> tsimonq2: yikes!
[10:20] <Eickmeyer> It won't take me long to test. 90% SSD setup here now.
[10:23] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Also, re: sphinx, looks like they pushed it through.
[10:25] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Right. :)
[10:25] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: sphinx> Nice.
[10:25] <tsimonq2> RikMills: That's what I've been up to the last few months, testing myself and my limits.
[10:25] <Eickmeyer> sphinx = something in Egypt (I don't use it, but it looks interesting)
[10:26] <RikMills> tsimonq2: hopefully non-destructive testing
[10:27] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I think it's funny that they ping you about that but Lubuntu and Kubuntu are the flavors who actually use it.
[10:27] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Right??
[10:27] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Non-destructive generally, yes. For me? No comment.
[10:43] <Eickmeyer> OMG... "The download doesn't use SSL!" "Then verify the checksum" "But that could've been compromised too!"  They didn't know today is release day for 20.04, which means they're living under a rock and not paying any attention anyhow.
[11:03] <RikMills> lol
[11:05] <StevenJayCohen> Just read the thread sigh
[11:06] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I don't think I've facepalmed so hard in my entire life.
[12:01] <StevenJayCohen> Very interesting, Kubuntu is #2
[12:01]  * StevenJayCohen uploaded an image: image.png (65KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/BfOtecVmJrPEkezXrDjomAkt >
[12:06] <RikMills> o_O
[12:08] <Eickmeyer> BTW, with the release announcement for Ubuntu Studio will also be the announcement of switching to Plasma for the next release.
[12:08] <RikMills> :D
[12:09] <StevenJayCohen> <RikMills "o_O"> Just assume that everyone who checked Official Ubuntu also checked one of the others as well and the numbers make more sense.
[12:10] <RikMills> still, I would have expecterd mate
[12:10] <RikMills> but hey :)
[12:10] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: "U MeAN I cAn LiKe MOrE ThAN 1??!?"
[12:17] <StevenJayCohen> Plasma is slick. Despite what the owners of KDE do to undermine it, they can't kill the slickness of it.
[15:06] <OvenWerks> why does plasma want to open every html:// in gwenview? which then fails anyway
[15:07] <StevenJayCohen> You sound like me complaing about evince
[15:08] <OvenWerks> looking at this: https://store.kde.org/p/1229134/  how does the user figure out which window has focus?
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> Shade of titlebar text.
[15:09] <OvenWerks> totally useless
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> Length of shadows.
[15:10] <OvenWerks> to me both windows look the same
[15:10] <OvenWerks> decorationwise
[15:11] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If we used the themes you like, nobody would ever download Studio because aesthetics is what sells.
[15:12] <OvenWerks> Ack! I press the centre mouse button on the desktop and now I have a paste it note I can't get rid of
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> O_O
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> Press/hold with left button anywhere on that note, it will give you a close box.
[15:14] <Eickmeyer> Cool trick, though.
[15:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: this is one place where instead of themes having a tool that would allow just changing the colour of the window decorations
[15:15] <OvenWerks> (like there used to be)
[15:15] <Eickmeyer> Uhhh... there is something built-in to the Plasma Settings Manager that lets you color anything any color you want.
[15:15] <OvenWerks> the theme itself is whatever people like and I am ok with that.
[15:16] <OvenWerks> but usability should not require going through every theme in the world and trying them all out
[15:16] <OvenWerks> I am not sure there still is such a tool. It seems to me a year agho I could find it
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> Well, Breeze is pretty obvious which window has focus (dark titlebar vs light).
[15:17] <OvenWerks> That one is better yes
[15:17] <StevenJayCohen> So, again Vimix isn't much different than Materia but it uses the red yellow green dots (think macOS) as window decorations that go grey when not in focus. It's accompanying icon theme has some positives, but isn't what I'm talking about here.
[15:17] <OvenWerks> and the handle width, even if not visible still seems to be easily grabable
[15:17] <StevenJayCohen> Breeze is also more standard
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> So, if you go to System Settings > Application Style > Window Decorations, there's a pen in the corner of each theme. Go to your active theme and change it to whatever color you want.
[15:18] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: nothing is standard
[15:19] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: or to put it another way, what is standard is so different from one year to the next, no one can keep up with it
[15:20] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ah, when I hover over the theme the pen shows up.
[15:20] <Eickmeyer> Exactly.
[15:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: well some themes have more options than others...
[15:21] <Eickmeyer> Probably true. I haven't done it myself except with Breeze on Fedora, because Fedora's KDE spin uses blue titlebars.
[15:22] <OvenWerks> breeze has the most options and thge only colour I can change is the colour of the shadow
[15:22] <StevenJayCohen> What I meant by standard is that Breeze is a KDE theme with optional GTK stylings whereas MAteria is a GTK theme that has optional KDE styling. So, for a KDE distro to choose Materia as a default seems non-standard.
[15:22] <Eickmeyer> Oh shoot... wrong place.
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> System Settings > Colors > Edit to your hearts content.
[15:23] <StevenJayCohen> And, I really like Materia, it's my default and will stay my personal default
[15:25] <StevenJayCohen> I do find it odd that we are talking Gregarious Gastropod on Focal Focca's release day
[15:31]  * OvenWerks was finished with the release a while ago  :)
[15:33] <Eickmeyer> Giddy Gnu
[15:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: odd thing happening. kubuntu with Studio on top.
[15:36] <Eickmeyer> Oh?
[15:36] <OvenWerks> after install there are a pile of applications listed as no longer required...
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> Which applications?
[15:37] <OvenWerks> many of them are xfce packages so I am not worried about those
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that makes sense.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> but: papirus-icon-theme ubuntustudio-icon-theme?
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That seems odd. Did you install ubuntustudio-icon-theme from -installer?
[15:38] <OvenWerks> yes
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> I'll have to test.
[15:38] <OvenWerks> as part of one of the packages
[15:38] <OvenWerks> branding maybe?
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> Branding maybe.
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> I'll take a look. If one uninstalls materia, it would render all of Branding not needed.
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> Which means anything it has as a depends would be not needed.
[15:44] <OvenWerks> hmmm, after I have selected one of the Studio icon themes a bunch of icons have vanished
[15:47] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Might need a log out/in.
[15:49] <OvenWerks> The gtk3 windows still look goofy but at least plasma forces the BG colour
[15:50] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's one thing that's nice about it. You can select any GTK theme and the color preferences transfer now.
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> GTK2 doesn't respond that way, an unfortunate limitation of GTK2.
[15:53] <OvenWerks> Well kubuntu has native applications for just about averything
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Pretty much.
[15:54] <OvenWerks> I happen to like the gtk version of sudoku
[15:55] <OvenWerks> wierd, system setting does not seem to have a tool for setting the desktop backdrop. I have to left click on the desktop for that.
[15:56] <dax> i like the sudoku version that's in sgt-puzzles. some other great stuff in there too
[15:56] <dax> not sure what toolkit the version in ubuntu uses, it's gtk3 on my gentoo
[15:56] <OvenWerks> forgot about that one.
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> I like the Solitaire (KPatience). It's nice and smooth.
[15:58] <OvenWerks> yaeh I install that in xfce
[16:04]  * OvenWerks fixed his middle button
[16:10] <OvenWerks> fstab fixed, time for a reboot
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> https://ubuntustudio.org/2020/04/ubuntu-studio-20-04-lts-released/
[20:20] <StevenJayCohen> Eickmeyer: When you have a chance, could you replace the PH in my name with a V? I'd appreciate it. Guessing you have a friend or family member that's a PH Stephen.
[20:21] <StevenJayCohen> Thanks for the mention :)
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Hey, you're part of the team now, so don't mention it. Honestly, no clue where I got the PH from; in the second mention about your studio I managed to get it right. :D
[23:29] <josefvin> congrats to you all. Anybody taking a break before working on next release? :P
[23:51] <StevenJayCohen> Thank you
[23:51] <StevenJayCohen> Seeing this: Community +linuxallstars:matrix.org not found
[23:58] <StevenJayCohen> Can't join it shrug


[10:30] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[18:17] <ChinnoDog> It bothers me that .bashrc has so much boilerplate code in it. I would think things like that belong in a global config file.
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> I could wipe out my .bashrc and make the first line an include for "/etc/skel/.bashrc".
[21:36] <waltman> Isn't that basically what happens?
[21:36] <waltman> which .bashrc are you referring to?
[21:47] <ChinnoDog> The one in my profile. I store my dotfiles in a git repo but I don't want to store boilerplate code in it. Plus, it could be different on different systems. Even though /etc/skel/.bashrc is supposed to be a template it is actually code that is updated between releases but does not have a method to propagate to existing users.


[02:01] <guiverc_d> should https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-January/000227.html go on fridge?
[08:17] <oerheks> firefox 59 will do gtk3 only https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0054a15e3c89


[05:14] <Takyoji> Ooo, community-built GeoIP: http://www.hostip.info/
[05:14] <Takyoji> happens to be the only one correct currently as well for my location
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> Clearly it still needs work:  "Location:  ... actually we haven't a clue. "
[05:15] <Takyoji> Then tell it your city. :P
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> did
[05:16] <Takyoji> You win a gold star sticker!
[05:17] <Takyoji> Anyway; anyone written plugins and such for Supybot at all?
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> Seveas has
[05:18] <Takyoji> Because I'm contemplating what to use a basis for an IRC bot, but something that isn't a pile of programming paradigms with more lines of code needed and unnecessary classes just to do a basic task.
[05:18] <tonyyarusso> and tsimpson and jussi
[05:56] <Takyoji> otherwise I'll idly poke at it tomorrow
[19:10] <Takyoji> Trying to remember; what's the one CLI-based networking tool that you can run a client/server, but just plaintext, and you basically write the output?
[19:11] <Takyoji> ahh, ncat
[21:31] <kermit> Takyoji: what's wrong with eggdrop?
[21:31] <kermit> i forgot TCL though so i just write mine with awk
[21:33] <Takyoji> Felt like poking with Python a little


[00:06] <Chex7> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[01:16] <Quokka27> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[02:45] <asafniv> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[02:45] <asafniv> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[02:45] <asafniv> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[03:07] <Theking^15> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[03:07] <Theking^15> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[04:10] <idn20> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
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[08:32] <garywhite> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
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[08:53] <jhesketh22> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
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[09:00] <Exagone31316> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
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[11:04] <Torgeir> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
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[19:31] <Humbedooh9> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
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[00:05] <xnox> also pRuby
[00:05]  * phillw hugs xnox ... I've been waiting for you, at balloons hope :)
[00:06] <xnox> really? what for =)
[00:06] <balloons> don't drag me into this phillw :-p
[00:07] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[00:07] <phillw> xnox: bug 1088692
[00:07] <phillw> balloons: too late for you, your soul has already been commited :P
[00:08]  * phillw waves to TheLordOfTime
[00:08]  * TheLordOfTime yawns and returns to poking some of the packages in Universe
[00:09] <xnox> phillw: dupe of the bug I reported =)
[00:10] <xnox> phillw: i really don't know where the those graphics issues come from.
[00:10] <xnox> balloons: phillw: can you find / get some X or kernel folks on this?!
[00:11] <balloons> xnox, sure.. I was thinking perhaps kernel, but it appears to affect things despite the changing kernel and host (phil on quantal, me on raring)
[00:11] <balloons> that's still my guess though :-p
[00:12] <phillw> balloons: VM nearly installed...
[00:14] <phillw> For it to affect the installer so early on (i.e. maps page), then it is really an 'X' problem.... this may be a part of kernel change,,,,, where is sabdlf when you need to bash heads together instead of them saying "It's not our fault" :/
[00:14] <xnox> phillw: balloons: it is very very weird. The best way to "demostrate" the bug is opening appearance preference and changing the background pictures. The experience is amazing almost like watching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_(film)
[00:17] <phillw> The most fantastic meteor shower due on the northern and southern  hemispheres... and we have cloud :'( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20709852 if you have clear skies.... go watch!
[00:21] <balloons> also clouded over
[00:22] <balloons> phillw, btw, bring up the bug tomorrow, and we'll corral some kernel/x folks
[00:22] <balloons> time for dinner for me
[00:27] <phillw> xnox: I have raring on a local VM, is the change of background helpful, or just weird?
[00:33] <xnox> phillw: it illuminates the issue - with some backgrounds you can see the background pattern in gray-scale. so the image is loaded/rendered/displayed & the unity launcher adapts color in full-color, while desktop is "gray"
[00:53] <phillw> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1078226/comments/11
[00:54] <phillw> I've been marked as a dupe... I'm not sure I am.
[00:54] <phillw> that is totally different to what I sere.
[00:55] <phillw> *see
[00:56] <xnox> phillw: hm... i do agree we may have more than one bug here. there is bug of "no / black background" (which is not kvm specific) & we have "visual artifacts bugs" (which are in some way related to kvm)
[00:56] <xnox> the trouble is neither are trianged and may or may not be the same / similar issue =(
[00:58] <phillw> xnox: I'd rather track the bug I reported as a bug. There are very few people who use KVM, yet as soon as balloons installed it, the bug was there even though he was using the "new and improved" raring KVM system :(
[00:58] <xnox> phillw: ack. can you dedup yourself?
[00:59] <phillw> yes, i can mark it as not a dupe
[00:59] <xnox> (or is it un-dupe)
[00:59] <xnox> phillw: go ahead.
[00:59] <phillw> done :)
[01:00] <phillw> there is the tie in from the bug I was dupe'd to back to mine
[01:01] <phillw> **$$££~~'ing virtual machines :()
[01:03] <phillw> xnox: I really don't know... I'm used to kvm just actually working. It must work for 99.99999% of other linux people, hence it being in the kernel.
[01:08] <phillw> xnox: as on my dedicated server I do not have bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libguestfs/+bug/1086974 I can pull logs from the VM
[05:28] <Noskcaj> balloons: has the intro to testing thing we made thismorning been finished?
[05:29] <balloons> Noskcaj, lol
[05:29] <balloons> it was my afternoon :-)
[05:29] <balloons> no it's still up for grabs
[05:29] <balloons> have at it with your editing prowess
[05:30] <Noskcaj> ok, i will have a look
[05:34] <phillw> hi Noskcaj :)
[05:34] <Noskcaj> hey phillw
[05:34] <phillw> feel free to edit my thoughts :)
[05:34] <Noskcaj> ok
[05:36] <phillw> It has not yet gone for syntax chacking :)
[05:36] <phillw> *checking*
[07:38] <Noskcaj> something really wierd just happend  to my kubuntu install
[07:39] <pitti> Good morning
[07:40] <Noskcaj> when you click new partition table button twice in kubuntu (at least in Vbox) it does messed up stuff, look for your self
[07:46] <Noskcaj> can someone please confirm
[08:02] <mvo> jibel, pitti: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-adt-software-center/ <- one arch green, the other only one (odd) failure that I will look at this morning, we are getting close
[08:02] <pitti> \o/
[08:02] <pitti> mvo, you rock!
[08:03] <pitti> AssertionError: 6 != 4
[08:03] <pitti> now, I'm afraid that's right
[08:03] <mvo> tools rock, much better now to interactively test
[08:03] <mvo> yeah, I think thats a broken test
[08:03] <mvo> its odd that it gives this number on amd64 though
[08:04] <pitti> mvo: speaking of arch specificness, release-upgrader reliably works on i386 and fails on amd64 because of the component ordering problem in sources.list
[08:04] <pitti> is there a missing sort() somewhere?
[08:04] <pitti> (not in the tests, but in the actual code, as the sources.list really looks odd in that order)
[08:05] <pitti> actually not a literal sort(), as it's not alphabetic
[08:05] <mvo> pitti: probably, let me have a look
[08:05] <mvo> meh, testbed was created in /tmp that got cleaned now, need to re-run this
[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:07] <dholbach> 70: http://daniel.holba.ch/autopkgtests/
[08:08] <pitti> hey dholbach
[08:08] <dholbach> hey pitti
[08:09] <pitti> dholbach: hm, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/ has 71
[08:09] <pitti> dholbach: but either way, great progress yesterday!
[08:09] <pitti> and it seems we are really close to fix software-center and release-upgrader
[08:09] <dholbach> ah, yes, that's 71
[08:09] <dholbach> awesome
[08:09] <dholbach> is mvo finally doing something?
[08:09] <dholbach> can't believe it :)
[08:10] <mvo> *pfff*
[08:10] <mvo> :P
[08:10]  * pitti throws a Plätzchen to mvo and a snowball to dholbach
[08:11] <pitti> nous avons beaucoup de neige ici!
[08:11] <dholbach> beaucoup de neige ici aussi
[08:11] <dholbach> I was a few days at my parents' place and had too many Plätzchen already :)
[08:12] <pitti> impossible!
[08:13] <dholbach> this time my mom made vegan Plätzchen as well and they are delicious - still have a box of them here :)
[08:41] <jibel> mvo, Woohoo, great work!
[08:41] <jibel> mvo, urllib2.URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 111] Connection refused>
[08:41] <jibel> could it be a proxy issue?
[08:41] <mvo> I think I have the last test failure under control too, will upload in a bit
[08:41] <mvo> I think so
[08:41] <mvo> plus a race condition in the start_stop_dummy_backend code
[09:07] <mvo> pitti: the ubuntu-release-upgrader output confuses me a bit, I don't see a error, is it because of the depreaction warnings that are printed to stderr maybe?
[09:07] <pitti> mvo: no, it's because it searches for "main restricted universe multiverse"
[09:08] <pitti> mvo: but the actual file has "main restricted multiverse universe"
[09:08] <pitti> mvo: which is what I meant with "missing sorting"
[09:08] <pitti> mvo: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-adt-ubuntu-release-upgrader/36/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/artifact/results/dsc0t-nose-tests-stdout
[09:09] <mvo> pitti: meh, my mistake, I was looking at the wrong build artifacts
[09:09] <pitti> mvo: ah, the old "artifacts from last successful build" trap?
[09:10] <mvo> exactly!
[09:10]  * pitti umarmt mvo
[09:10] <pitti> err, /me dholbachifies that
[09:10]  * pitti knuddelt mvo
[09:11] <jpds> http://is.gd/99mN8c
[09:15] <pitti> :)
[09:21]  * mvo knuddelt pitti
[09:51] <mvo> pitti: aha, I think the dict order is now affected from
[09:51] <mvo>     Hash randomization is switched on by default.
[09:51] <mvo> (in 3.3)
[09:51] <pitti> mvo: that's what I thought at first
[09:51] <pitti> mvo: but it has been "multiverse universe" on amd64 for the last umpteen tests, and always seems to work on i386
[09:52] <pitti> so I still don't firmly believe that it's hash randomization
[09:52]  * mvo nods
[09:52] <pitti> I guess at some point the code has some logic to say "if we have universe, put it after main and restricted"
[09:52] <mvo> yeah, its aptsources that is doing this
[09:54] <xnox> pitti: mvo: did you run the test in a loop and manually setting PYHASHRANDOM=1..10?
[09:55] <xnox> for small values (ordering of two hashes) with many seeds it could be ordered the same way. It's not pure 50/50.
[09:57] <xnox> PYTHONHASHSEED that is.
[10:00]  * mvo weeps that py3 took away the simple sorted(cmp=lambda) and requires "key" now
[10:02] <mvo> functools to the rescue
[10:04] <pitti> mvo +1
[10:14] <pitti> mvo: when they said "nobody uses that anyway" they apparently had a very limited definition of "nobody"...
[10:16] <mvo> pitti: noooooo, I don't want to be a nobody ;)
[10:16] <pitti> me neither! I had to resort to functools in at least two of my projects, too
[10:19]  * xnox is confused how functools is relevant here.
[10:20] <xnox> note that pyhashseed is generated at the python interpreter startup and cannot be modified at runtime (otherwise your existing objects will seize to be the same)
[10:20] <xnox> so it needs to be set via environment before python starts.
[10:20] <jtaylor> also note that the "randomization" is completely useless security wise ._.
[10:21] <xnox> ... unless you use functools for something else =)
[10:21] <xnox> jtaylor: sure, but we are not here to bikeshed security but rather try to solve the unit-test failure =)
[10:21] <jtaylor> disable the randomization ;)
[10:22] <xnox> jtaylor: does not help. Since the code should not make assumption about it's environment. Users may still have randomization enabled or explicitely set in the environment across a cluster of python interpreters.
[10:23] <jtaylor> true, also they might fix it properly in 3.4 so its good to fix it now
[10:28] <mvo> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/ubuntu-release-upgrader/fix-component-ordering/+merge/139862 - when you have time a quick ack/nack and I can upload
[10:29] <jtaylor> mvo: functools imported but not used?
[10:30] <mvo> jtaylor: good point
[10:30] <mvo> thanks!
[10:30] <pitti> mvo: "updating diff...", I'll wait a bit
[10:31]  * pitti hugs mvo
[10:31] <jtaylor> why not do x[k] for k in ordering?
[10:33] <pitti> mvo: "len(ordering)+1" will mean that all unknown components will appear in a random order, right?
[10:33] <pitti> mvo: so I wonder how stable the last test case will be
[10:34] <mvo> pitti: aha, indeed ,as the diff is a set
[10:34] <mvo> pitti: good point, it should probably do something else like alphabetic ordering
[10:34] <pitti> mvo: set?
[10:34] <jtaylor> what is the content of component_diff?
[10:35] <mvo> jtaylor: hm, not sure I understand - is that a better way of doing it?
[10:35] <mvo> jtaylor: a set of e.g. set("universe", "multiverse")
[10:35] <pitti> mvo: so if it's unknown, return the element itself as a key, so that sort() will sort it asciibetically?
[10:35] <pitti> mvo: sorted() returns a list, not a set though
[10:36] <mvo> pitti: yeah, that is intentional, it gets a set as input
[10:39] <pitti> mvo: hm, I must be blind, I don't see sets
[10:39] <mvo> pitti: its not in the diff, sorry
[10:39] <pitti> ah, ok
[10:39] <mvo> pitti: I should make this more explicit, give me a sec
[10:39] <pitti> mvo: perhaps just reduce the test case to one unknown element; for unknowns it pretty much doesn't matter, does it?
[10:39] <mvo> pitti: indeed, it does not matter
[10:39] <jtaylor> mvo: kind of ugly: [dict((x,x) for x in v)[k] for k in order]
[10:40] <jtaylor> you may need .get + a filter if not everything in order is in componentdiff
[10:41] <mvo> jtaylor: interesting approach
[10:41] <jtaylor> filter(None, (dict((x,x) for x in v).get(k) for k in order))
[10:42] <jtaylor> it works better for dictionaries :)
[10:42] <mvo> heh :) I will need another cup of tea before my brain can parse this
[10:43] <jibel> mvo, nice fix on amd64 *** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/bin/kvm terminated
[10:43] <jibel> you broke kvm ;)
[10:43] <mvo> jibel: lol
[10:46]  * xnox speaking of random numbers => proposing a way to actually have randomness source in jenkins-adt.
[10:48] <mvo> pitti, jtaylor: updated again, thanks for your input !
[10:48] <jtaylor> you mean dev/urandom?
[10:49] <jtaylor> or do you mean print the random seed?
[10:49] <jtaylor> that would be useful
[10:49] <jtaylor> but test dependent
[10:52] <xnox> jtaylor: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/auto-package-testing/haveged-random/+merge/139868
[10:56] <pitti> mvo: hm, did you forget to push?
[10:58] <mvo> *cough*
[10:58]  * mvo really needs a cup of tea
[11:09] <pitti> mvo: +1ed, danke!
[11:16] <jibel> mvo, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-adt-software-center/62/
[11:16] <jibel> \o/
[11:16] <jibel> so there's a proxy issue on some nodes and this kvm crash
[11:38] <pitti> c'est vert! https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-adt-software-center/
[11:39]  * pitti donne une accolade à mvo
[11:39] <pitti> so u-release-upgrader should go green soon, too
[11:39] <pitti> then the remaining five really look like an insult :)
[11:46]  * xnox is troubleshooting upstart user job.
[12:09] <mvo> jibel: \o/
[12:09]  * mvo does a little dance
[12:14]  * mvo uploads r2600 of the ubuntu-release-upgrader, what a nice round number
[12:33] <pitti> mvo: danke!
[12:38] <xnox> pitti: what's up with ubuntu-drivers-common adt? the log indicates core dumps.
[12:39] <pitti> hm, where? /me looks
[12:39] <xnox> pitti: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-adt-ubuntu-drivers-common/29/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/artifact/results/dsc0t-system-stdout/*view*/
[12:40] <pitti> xnox: oh, that; that's bug 1073062
[13:02] <jtaylor> how can you login to the testbed?
[13:02] <jtaylor> and what kind of cpuid does the vm report?
[13:02] <jtaylor> I have trouble getting some cpuid stuff to wrok
[13:12] <jibel> jtaylor, you can use option -k of run-adt-test, -l will log you in or alternatively you can ssh in with something like
[13:12] <jibel> ssh -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o CheckHostIP=no -i /tmp/adt/disks/adtkey -p 54327 -l ubuntu localhost
[13:12] <jibel> change the port 54327 to the one that have been allocated
[13:12] <jibel> for the cpu it's a QEMU Virtual CPU
[13:14] <jtaylor> can you update the testbed persistently?
[13:16] <jibel> in the disk directory (/tmp/adt/disks/ by default) you'll find a symlink to the base image called pristine-<release>-<arch>.img
[13:16] <jibel> start it with kvm, do the changes you want and stop it
[14:04] <smartboyhw> phillw, PING
[14:05] <phillw> hi smartboyhw
[14:05] <smartboyhw> phillw, hmm on the community-website thing: What do you want me to add?
[14:06] <phillw> smartboyhw: have a read through and feel free to add anything you feel should be there.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> phillw, probably will add more lines about cadence testing....only a very brief mention in the links part
[14:08] <phillw> also check the activities page for what is already on their.
[14:08] <phillw> *there*
[14:12] <smartboyhw> phillw, hmm we need some mention for automated testing
[14:13]  * smartboyhw has failed to write autopkgtest(s) yesterday at the jam
[14:16] <jtaylor> what kind of VM is used for adt exactly? need to file a bug about software not working in a VM
[14:38] <pitti> jtaylor: it's kvm running the current daily Ubuntu cloud image
[14:38] <jtaylor> hm it may be a bug in auto-pkg-test not upstream
[14:38] <pitti> jtaylor: you can replicate the environment quite easily
[14:38] <jtaylor> the testbed lies about its cpu :/
[14:39] <jtaylor> is there an easy way to change that?
[14:40] <jtaylor> it reports it self as amd family 6 cpu, which (assuming amd only increases family number) is a 32 bit cpu, but the img is 64 bit
[19:59] <Noskcaj> balloons, when are you uploading that page we made yesterday to the website?
[19:59] <balloons> Noskcaj, it's part of the greater effort to update all of it
[20:00] <balloons> They are working on it, but I don't know an exact timeline
[20:00] <Noskcaj> ok, what can i do to help
[20:00] <balloons> all the pages need to be finished first, my guess is it should happen before the end of the year
[20:00] <balloons> if you'd like, feel free to edit the other pages that need content
[20:00] <Noskcaj> any links?
[20:01] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite
[20:01] <Noskcaj> thanks
[20:01] <balloons> thanks Noskcaj !
[20:06] <Noskcaj> balloons,  when you click new partition table button twice in kubuntu (at least in Vbox) it does messed up stuff, i cant really descibe some of the stuff look for your self
[20:07] <Noskcaj> my post from yesterday
[20:07] <balloons> Noskcaj, hmm.. I don't have any kubuntu images handy
[20:07] <balloons> let me grab one and try
[20:08] <Noskcaj> do you want me to message random lurkers for help again
[20:08] <balloons> you could ask on #kubuntu-devel
[20:09] <Noskcaj> i will just let me try and list what happened
[20:09] <balloons> gonna be 40 mins for me to grab this
[20:09] <balloons> you should if possible capture the session log and file a bug
[20:09] <balloons> also, does it happen on real hw or not?
[20:09] <Noskcaj> idk
[20:10] <balloons> I would start tracing things down like that
[20:10] <balloons> see if you can narrow in on it
[20:10] <Noskcaj> maybe to save yourself time zsync everything while your working or sleeping
[20:10] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:10] <balloons> I keep up to date on the ubuntu images
[20:11] <balloons> Scottk and others are normally messing around with the kubuntu stuff
[20:11] <balloons> not sure how much they do inbetween milestones
[20:11] <Noskcaj> i try and test it every second day
[20:11] <balloons> anyways, once I'm synced I can confirm for you
[20:11] <balloons> but yea, try kvm, try real hw, and grab and look at the logs
[20:12] <Noskcaj> my main bug is gone, which was wierd stuff happening when you click "new partition table"
[20:12] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity
[20:12] <balloons> ^^ read that :-)
[20:12] <Noskcaj> k
[20:15] <Noskcaj> i cant replicate it :(
[20:18] <Noskcaj> never mind, it was a one off thing it seems
[20:22] <balloons> hmm
[20:23] <Noskcaj> when i click new partition table twice heaps of weird stuff happened, then i was in a live dskktop
[20:27] <balloons> gotcha
[20:27] <balloons> I like the description
[20:27] <balloons> lol
[20:27] <balloons> heaps of weird stuff
[20:27] <Noskcaj> i cant remember exactly but a square did laps of the screen at one part
[20:28] <balloons> heh
[20:46] <balloons> howdy
[20:50] <letozaf> balloons: fine and you ?
[20:50] <balloons> a bit hungry
[20:50] <balloons> haha
[20:50] <Noskcaj> then eat
[20:50] <letozaf> what time is it in florida ?
[20:51] <TheLordOfTime> should be 15:52
[20:51] <TheLordOfTime> give or take 20 minutes
[20:51] <TheLordOfTime> (florida = eastern us timezone last i checked)
[20:52] <letozaf> well then need a snak :)
[20:54] <letozaf> balloons: I was looking at some packages testcases to test with autopilot, but they aren't easy as the gedit one
[20:58] <Noskcaj> letozaf, did anything end up happening with the xchat testcase?
[20:58] <letozaf> Noskcaj: i did not try with xchat just with gedit
[20:59] <letozaf> wasn't it you testing xchat ?
[20:59] <Noskcaj> i gave up after half finishing it
[20:59] <letozaf> oh! the only parts I have difficulty in are the assertions
[21:00] <letozaf> when I have to verify that a certain action worked correctly
[21:01] <letozaf> like if you take a screenshot with gnome-screenshot how do you verify that the screenshot was taken correctly ?
[21:01] <Noskcaj> i gave up because i didn't want to reallow the guest session and there would be issues testing joining a channel
[21:01] <Noskcaj> i dont know
[21:01] <Noskcaj> http://pastebin.com/7BZCEzx9 if you want to have a look
[21:03]  * letozaf is reading
[21:03] <Noskcaj> there is a new ppc netboot, i know what i'm doing today
[21:04] <balloons> lol.. yes indeed
[21:04] <balloons> letozaf, ok, where did you get stuck
[21:04] <balloons> sadly I've gotten stuck on some stuff as well
[21:04] <balloons> and I need more of the autopilot folks time
[21:04] <Noskcaj> balloons, do you know why wxl has left -quality he was the only other netboot ppc tester
[21:05] <letozaf> I get stuck when I have to verify what I have done
[21:05] <letozaf> for instance:
[21:05] <letozaf> if you test terminal, if you do what the testcase says you have to change termial colors
[21:05] <letozaf> how do you verify the color changed ?
[21:06] <letozaf> or
[21:06] <letozaf> how do you verify the settings that are different from default ones
[21:06] <letozaf> it's no difficult to perform the action of changing the color but to verify it after
[21:07] <letozaf> another example gnome-screenshot it's easy to take a screenshot, but how do you verify the screenshot taken is ok ?
[21:08] <letozaf> where did you get stuck
[21:08] <letozaf> ?
[21:09] <Noskcaj> floodbot would not be happy with you letozaf
[21:11] <letozaf> sorry.. :( had to write the stuff !!  how can I tell ? telepathy :-D
[21:14] <balloons> :-)
[21:14] <balloons> sorry was grabbing a drink
[21:14] <balloons> so yes I agree
[21:14] <balloons> it's not always so easy to understand how to do that
[21:14] <balloons> but that's ok.. they are good questions
[21:15] <balloons> some of them, I would say you can confirm by using command line stuff
[21:15] <balloons> other things need autopilot's help to "read"
[21:15] <balloons> Noskcaj, I don't know.. i believe wxl is still around
[21:15] <balloons> phillw knows him more than i
[21:18] <letozaf> yes with command line you can verify if a file has been created and if it's an image, but how do you "report" that back so that if it fails the test at the end counts it as a failure...
[21:19] <letozaf> you need the assertions
[21:20] <letozaf> need to find out more about those
[21:25] <phillw> Noskcaj: have you pinged wxl recently?
[21:25] <Noskcaj> phillw, just did on -powerpc
[21:26] <Noskcaj> i have roughly every week
[21:26] <phillw> okiez, he is quite busy, but is also on #lubuntu-offtopic. I've not had any direct contact with him for a while, as I do leave the l-qa guys alone.... They know I'm here when needed.
[21:27] <phillw> I'll drop him an email to see how life's treating him.
[21:28] <Noskcaj> it was more just wondering why he had left
[21:28] <balloons> letozaf, ahh.. so an assertion about if a file was created or ?
[21:28] <Noskcaj> is there a lubuntu-qa channel?
[21:29] <letozaf> balloons: well I do not know if it already exists ... but yes, you need to verify that a file has been created and maybe check if it's an image or if it's something else it depends on what you are testing
[21:30] <phillw> Noskcaj: he is still and administrator on l-qa https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa/+members#active
[21:30] <phillw> Noskcaj: several of the team don't use
[21:31] <phillw> irc
[21:31] <phillw> but, as I said, I'll drop him a line and see how he is :()
[21:31] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:31] <phillw> s/ :( / :) /
[21:37] <phillw> Noskcaj: If you're in need of an extra body, ask on the l-qa mailing list (send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and cc l-qa)
[21:37] <balloons> letozaf, yes.. it is completely dependent on the testcase
[21:39] <phillw> I can help with netboot, but can only use qemu for ppc stuff as I don't have the hardware.
[21:41] <letozaf> balloons, so at the moment I think I can write the testcases in autopilot performing  the actions required but not being able to check all of them
[21:42] <Noskcaj> phillw, then you have the easiest test of us all
[21:42] <phillw> Noskcaj: If you would benefit from a virtual machine with a 100 Mb/s internet link for testing netboot installs, just give me a ping and I'll set you one up.
[21:42] <letozaf> and in the terminal testcase I cannot verify the color settings before changing them, if they are different from default the test does not work
[21:43] <phillw> Noskcaj: KVM is currently crippled for testing 'raring'... It is, to say the least, frustrating.
[21:44] <balloons> letozaf, yes I think that's the way to go for now
[21:44] <balloons> I have been considering where to host these
[21:44] <balloons> have you ever branched something on launchpad?
[21:44] <letozaf> nope
[21:44] <balloons> I'm guessing most testers are used to ppa's, but not to putting stuff of there own up ;-)
[21:45] <letozaf> yes
[21:45] <balloons> it's likely going to end up we just place all of them in a branch
[21:45] <letozaf> I can learn :)
[21:45] <Noskcaj> phillw, how did you get 100MB/s? i am still on 768K although most of my country is getting 100MB soon
[21:45] <balloons> it's not hard.. even I figured it out :-)
[21:46] <balloons> Noskcaj, nz still rules!
[21:46]  * balloons is jealous
[21:46] <phillw> Noskcaj: I have a dedicated server upon which i run VM's for various F/OSS teams.
[21:46] <Noskcaj> balloons, why do you like NZ?
[21:46] <Noskcaj> phillw, ok
[21:46] <balloons> Noskcaj, what's not to like?
[21:46] <balloons> climate, nature, people
[21:46] <Noskcaj> idk, i dislike because i'm from AUS
[21:46]  * balloons notes he has never actually been to new zealand
[21:46] <Noskcaj> lol
[21:47] <balloons> ahh.. I could probably do austrailia.. but I think nz is like an even better version of it.. all heresay of course
[21:47] <balloons> how long have you been in nz vs aus?
[21:48] <Noskcaj> balloons, i think as long as the countries have existed
[21:48] <balloons> letozaf, ok, well, for what you have, why don't you put it up on lp?
[21:48] <balloons> that way I can help out as well
[21:49] <Noskcaj> Australia: millions of things to kill you if you leave the city, NZ: to much extream sports, i.e. you get yourself killed
[21:49] <balloons> Noskcaj, ?.. you were born in Australia I take it
[21:49] <Noskcaj> yup, live in armidale all my life
[21:49] <balloons> Noskcaj, do you know who peter lynn is?
[21:49] <Noskcaj> nope
[21:49] <balloons> how about kiteboarding?
[21:49] <letozaf> ok don't have much but I can work to "have much" I was always mumbling on the assertions I could not do :)
[21:49] <Noskcaj> balloons, ?
[21:50] <letozaf> Noskcaj, I've been to Sydney and loved it
[21:50] <Noskcaj> letozaf, understandable
[21:51] <letozaf> Noskcaj, only one thing: you've got too many spiders... dangerous spiders :)
[21:51] <balloons> Noskcaj, ahh.. well, I'm off topic, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lynn.. he's the father of modern kite sports, and from nz
[21:51] <Noskcaj> phillw, any ppc tests you could do would be great, but are there even end-users left for ppc
[21:51] <letozaf> I'm a lady and hate spiders
[21:52] <balloons> letozaf, http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[21:52] <balloons> I think that should get you fixed up
[21:52] <Noskcaj> letozaf, spiders = bad but we dont have that many, balloons: ok then
[21:52] <letozaf> balloons, I was about to ask you that
[21:52] <phillw> Noskcaj: can you /j ##phillw
[21:52] <balloons> you can commit to a +junk branch
[21:52] <balloons> without having to worry about making a project
[21:53] <Noskcaj> phillw, done
[21:53] <balloons> as you can see, I did: bzr push lp:~nskaggs/+junk/autopilot-walkthrough
[21:54] <balloons> you could do something like bzr push lp:~carlasella/+junk/WHATEVERYOUWANTTOCALLTHIS
[21:55] <letozaf> balloons,  ok I will read the tutorial and work on what I can and upload it to bzr
[21:55] <balloons> yes.. go for it
[21:55] <balloons> then I can branch and we can hack together on your stuff
[21:55] <letozaf> balloons, :-D sure
[21:55] <balloons> eventually, we'll spawn a project so others can do the same
[21:56] <balloons> assuming this works well
[21:56] <balloons> I think it will
[21:56] <letozaf> let's try
[23:23] <phillw> balloons: I've updated bug 1088692 have you had any news from xnox?


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