[15:00] <alexghiti> o/
[15:00] <schopin> o/
[15:00] <ogayot> o/
[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:00] <dbungert> o/
[15:00] <jawn-smith> o/
[15:00] <jawn-smith> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:01] <jawn-smith> The weekly status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-22-september-2022/30783
[15:01] <jawn-smith> Let's all take our usual time to read and ask questions
[15:02] <bdrung> \o
[15:03] <xypron> o/
[15:03] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:05] <jawn-smith> Any questions about status?
[15:05]  * bdmurray is still reading
[15:06] <bdmurray> I'm good
[15:07] <jawn-smith> waveform: I would love to help test the Hyperpixel
[15:07] <bdmurray> How many people are working on audacity?
[15:07] <bdrung> currently only me.
[15:07] <dbungert> mine was last week
[15:07] <bdrung> I hope that I can do the Debian unstable upload today.
[15:08] <dbungert> nice!
[15:09] <vorlon> alexghiti79: you mention filing LP: #1990113 but I don't see sponsors subscribed to it, should they be?
[15:09] <vorlon> (~ubuntu-sponsors)
[15:10] <alexghiti79> Ahah, made a mistake, I subscribed ubuntu-release!
[15:10] <alexghiti79> I'll change that, thanks
[15:10] <jawn-smith> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:10] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:10] <jawn-smith> bug 1842439
[15:10] <bdrung> This is for the desktop team
[15:11] <jawn-smith> Awesome
[15:11] <jawn-smith> bug 1990202
[15:12] <vorlon> we're in feature freeze, and no rationale is given for this to be done post-FF
[15:12] <jawn-smith> Should we write a comment asking about a FF exception?
[15:13] <vorlon> (it doesn't show up on MoM, so a bug report seems still useful as it might otherwise fall through the cracks)
[15:13] <jawn-smith> bdrung pointed out there is a CVE in the new version
[15:13] <vorlon> ah, but there's a CVE in the changelog
[15:13] <jawn-smith> which may justify a FF exception
[15:14] <jbicha> I wasn't intending for a full merge to be done for Kinetic when I opened the swtpm bug
[15:14] <schopin> We could just take in the CVE bugfix for now, and merge next cycle?
[15:14] <jawn-smith> bug 1990429
[15:15] <jawn-smith> This seems worth carding and working on to me
[15:15] <jawn-smith> any objections?
[15:15]  * bdrung agrees
[15:16] <juliank> python-apt has the same code
[15:16] <jawn-smith> juliank: can you file a bug against python-apt?
[15:16] <jawn-smith> Or does one already exist?
[15:16] <juliank> I don't understand why we upstreamed the module to apt.auth and then didn't port software-properties :(
[15:17] <juliank> <but yeah I can file a bug
[15:17] <jawn-smith> thanks!
[15:17] <jawn-smith> bug 1097467
[15:17] <jawn-smith> doko: waveform:
[15:17] <vorlon> juliank: has the same code> python-apt didn't show up in sarnold's codesearch, can you maybe check why?
[15:18] <juliank> vorlon: What did he search for? '    cmd = [apt_pkg.config.find_file("Dir::Bin::Apt-Key", "/usr/bin/apt-key")]' is in there
[15:18] <jawn-smith> Let's move on and see if doko has any thoughts on it later
[15:18] <jawn-smith> that's it for kk
[15:18] <jawn-smith> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:18] <jawn-smith> just one!
[15:18] <vorlon> juliank: apt-key.*adv and then apt-key.*add, I think
[15:18] <jawn-smith> bug 1964036
[15:18] <bdmurray> I'm setting the importance and status for the software-properties bug
[15:19] <bdmurray> Let's try to do that during this process
[15:19] <juliank> vorlon: he yeah, that's not going to work, it's abstracted as `_call_apt_key_script("adv",...`
[15:20] <jawn-smith> Okay ubuntu-release-upgrader needs to be updated to not remove the deb
[15:22] <jawn-smith> Actually it seems that icon is provided by the snap
[15:22] <xypron> /snap/firefox/1860/usr/lib/firefox/browser/chrome/icons/default/default128.png exists
[15:24] <bdmurray> Let's tag this foundations-todo
[15:24] <jawn-smith> So we're going to card that and investigate if it is actually a foundations task
[15:24] <jawn-smith> That's it for jj
[15:24] <jawn-smith> ff is empty again
[15:24] <jawn-smith> Now let's do the foundations-discuss bugs
[15:24] <jawn-smith> #link
[15:25] <jawn-smith> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX&field.status%3Alist=EXPIRED&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WIT
[15:25] <jawn-smith> HOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.tag=foundations-triage-discuss&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints=on&orderby=-id&start=0
[15:25] <schopin> (we really need to shorten this URL)
[15:25] <jawn-smith> bug 1990535
[15:26] <schopin> Didn't we already know about that one?
[15:26] <vorlon> which iteration of it
[15:26] <jawn-smith> bdmurray: Is this the same issue we've seen before?
[15:27] <bdmurray> bug 1985054?
[15:27] <jawn-smith> #link https://tinyurl.com/4ay3jbuw for the list
[15:27] <schopin> bdmurray: yes, that's the one I was thinking about.
[15:27] <bdmurray> I'd rather have the one with the logs be the primary bug
[15:28] <schopin> Fair enough. I should have thought about adding them when confirming the previous one, my bad.
[15:28] <jawn-smith> Okay so shall we card this?
[15:29] <bdmurray> s/card/tag foundations-todo/
[15:30] <bdmurray> I'll do that
[15:30] <jawn-smith> yes, thanks!
[15:30] <jawn-smith> bug 1990247
[15:31] <jawn-smith> Steve votes -1 on this and letting the errors happen
[15:31] <vorlon> I'm -1 on doing an SRU for this, the packaging changes to land this in devel were extensive
[15:32] <vorlon> shall I wontfix the bug?
[15:32] <bdmurray> I'm okay with that
[15:32] <jawn-smith> Sounds like a plan to me
[15:32] <jawn-smith> bug 1989623
[15:33] <jawn-smith> juliank: thoughts on this?
[15:33] <juliank> funny
[15:34] <juliank> Gotta mark this as Incomplete and ask for a /var/lib/dpkg/status copy I guess
[15:34] <jawn-smith> Okay, thanks!
[15:34] <bdmurray> Should that be collected regularly?
[15:34] <jawn-smith> Should we also change the tag?
[15:34] <bdmurray> The /var/lib/dpkg/status file
[15:36] <jawn-smith> Okay so let's remove the tag, and juliank will follow up on the bug reports asking for more information
[15:36] <jawn-smith> bug 1989604
[15:37] <jawn-smith> A quick reading of the logs shows an odd file I/O error
[15:39] <juliank> see : AssertionError: Failed to mount the target: /target
[15:39] <jawn-smith> We seem to have enough logs to investigate. Let's change the tag to todo
[15:40] <jawn-smith> bug 1989598
[15:40] <bdmurray> That might actually be on we want to subscribed the team to, rather than overloading the todo list
[15:40] <jawn-smith> Okay, thanks bdmurray
[15:43] <jawn-smith> bug 1989585
[15:45] <jawn-smith> Someone want to comment suggesting 22.04 and remove the tag?
[15:45] <jawn-smith> enr0n thanks for volunteering
[15:45] <jawn-smith> bug 1988819
[15:46] <jawn-smith> juliank: lots of discussion on this
[15:46] <juliank>  yeah
[15:46] <jawn-smith> Sounds like something that will be worked on
[15:46] <jawn-smith> So let's set the tag to foundations-todo
[15:47] <mclemenceau> done
[15:47] <jawn-smith> bug 1987924
[15:48] <jawn-smith> Leaving this here for now to discuss in a future meeting
[15:49] <jawn-smith> bug 1982511
[15:49] <jawn-smith> Skipping for future meeting
[15:49] <jawn-smith> bug 1980494
[15:51] <jawn-smith> vorlon votes we filter the LDFLAGS from the scripts
[15:52] <vorlon> yes, I don't think a configure script should replicate the dpkg-buildflags output from a single point in time
[15:53] <bdrung> vorlon, can you comment the bug with that information?
[15:53] <vorlon> yes
[15:53] <jawn-smith> The tag has been removed and importance set
[15:53] <jawn-smith> bug 1902855
[15:54] <jawn-smith> Apparently we have a branch started on this but tests are broken
[15:54] <jawn-smith> so let's call it todo
[15:54] <jawn-smith> Skipping the firefox bug because we've already discussed it
[15:55] <jawn-smith> bug 916494
[15:55] <jawn-smith> Waiting on a response from ahasenack
[15:56] <jawn-smith> So let's remove the tag and whoever is on triage duty when we get a response can add it back
[15:57] <jawn-smith> That's it for the foundations-triage-discuss
[15:57] <jawn-smith> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:57] <jawn-smith> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:57] <jawn-smith> vorlon:
[15:58] <vorlon> unicode-data is driven by jbicha
[15:58] <vorlon> I don't think there's anything for us here currently
[15:59] <vorlon> and the other two are existing (passing) autopkgtests for glibc and systemd blocking linux-meta; I'd leave this for the kernel team to sort out
[15:59] <vorlon> so, nothing to assign here today!
[15:59] <vorlon> jawn-smith:
[15:59] <jawn-smith> \o/
[15:59] <jawn-smith> #topic AOB
[15:59] <jawn-smith> Any extended absences coming up?
[16:00] <jawn-smith> sil2100: you have some time off soon right?
[16:00] <jawn-smith> That's the only one I see on the calendar
[16:01] <jawn-smith> #endmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:01:34 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-09-22-15.00.moin.txt


[14:17] <smoser> vans163, i see something back from the 25th from you. fwiw, cloud-init will look for the cdrom seed every time.
[14:18] <smoser> i had mentioned this to  you at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/11/16/%23cloud-init.html#t15:00
[14:19] <smoser> not pointing to that to be rude and say "i already told you this" but rather so you can look at it as the answer is still relevant.
[18:28] <vans163> smoser:  ah  "	if you want to detach that disk, then you will need to tell cloud-init "manual_cache_clean: True".  And you have to write that (probably via user-data) into /etc/cloud.cfg.d or the next reboot, it will go  looking for a datasource again."   ?
[18:28] <vans163> smoser: Totally did not remember that appreciate the refresher.


[00:06] <OvenWerks> Takes three programs to get them all in too.
[00:11] <OvenWerks> Hmm Thunar has no text... just squares.
[00:56] <OvenWerks> removed some config files, rebooted ok.
[01:09] <OvenWerks> I am guessing that the change in the font name(or package name) may have caused that.
[01:12] <OvenWerks> As with other upgrades, my machine is less responcive. When we have a new ISO I will see if that is better
[01:12] <OvenWerks> s/onc/ons/
[01:12] <kubotu> OvenWerks meant: "As with other upgrades, my machine is less responsive. When we have a new ISO I will see if that is better"
[05:03] <OvenWerks> holstein: why are people so afraid of the terminal?
[13:56] <OvenWerks> smartboyhw: I did a small change in the seeds we should see if it works today.
[13:57] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, yeah!
[13:57] <OvenWerks> if not, the osspd package may have a bug
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Hmm, let me see...
[13:57] <OvenWerks> it should have a replaces line in it
[13:58] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, I've activated a rebuild of images.
[13:58] <smartboyhw> So we can know the results faster:)
[13:58] <OvenWerks> in my case... I have 8 hrs of works before I care again :)
[13:58] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, :)
[13:59] <OvenWerks> Bye for now
[15:12] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, zequence YEAH! WE GOT A NEW BUILD!
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Cheers!
[16:03] <zequence> OvenWerks: How did you spot the build error? I was trying to find some meaningful fail logs yesterday
[20:53] <OvenWerks> zequence: smartboyhw told me about it. He would know.
[20:54] <OvenWerks> I just took what he said and thought what I could do to fix it.
[20:55] <OvenWerks> The change is in the desktop meta, because it is to do with pulse and desktop audio.
[20:56] <OvenWerks> All of the build fail emails I have got are empty, So I don't know where to look for the logs.
[21:01] <cub> I'm not sure, smartboyhw discovered it while we discussed why my Saucy installations kept failing
[21:02] <OvenWerks> I have to ask him when next he is on.
[21:02] <cub> * smartboyhw has to look at the buildlogs of how images fail.
 osspd: Conflicts: oss-compat. What?
[21:03] <cub> we still couldn't figure out why my saucy installation included wine by default though.
[21:04] <OvenWerks> LMMS pulls it in
[21:06] <cub> aha
[21:06] <cub> he said there was nothing that would point to wine, but there we have it.
[21:06] <cub> is it because of being able to use vst plugins or why does LMMS want it?
[21:07] <OvenWerks> Ya, for VST. but I thought it was only for 32bit ISO
[21:08] <cub> yes, I couldn't get amd64 to install, so I tried i386 which installed alright (but then had other issues)
[21:08] <OvenWerks> wine is knda weird. It is all 32bit libs, but can run on a 64bit machines, but the install process filters out 32bit packages.
[21:09] <cub> I never got anything to run properly in wine so I have given up on it
[21:10] <OvenWerks> so it is possible to have a 64bit LMMS with  a 32bit wine, but not from ubuntu repos.
[21:10] <cub> aha
[21:10] <cub> but now that a new iso have been built I'll make another run at getting the 64bit version up in my virtualbox
[21:10] <OvenWerks> Wine just keeps getting better... but I have nothing to run on it... except "hulls.exe"
[21:11] <cub> way back I wanted to run Internet Explorer to check web pages, but it never worked
[21:11] <OvenWerks> So I do have much chance for failure either
[21:12] <OvenWerks> I thought wine came with that...
[21:12] <OvenWerks> nope, just the file explorer
[21:14] <cub> this was back in 2000. :D Then I tried it again a few years back when my work required me to use some windows application
[21:14] <cub> didn't work and I ended up being forced to windows machine.
[21:17] <OvenWerks> The computers I used to use at work were all machine control, so whatever they ran was what I used... VMS and NT as happens.
[21:19] <cub> what kind of work?
[21:19] <OvenWerks> I used to fix mail sorting machines at Canada Post
[21:20] <cub> cool
[21:21] <OvenWerks> We moved from the Vancouver area so I am now delivering mail.
[21:21] <OvenWerks> Lots of fresh air :)
[21:23] <cub> I'm still in an office all day
[21:23] <OvenWerks> I'm about half and half
[21:23] <cub> which reminds me, I should get to bed to manage another day at the office tomorrow!
[21:23] <cub> g'nite
[21:23] <OvenWerks> GN then
[21:35] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ok. I looked through the build log, but it wasn't revealing anything. The posts on the mail list were kind of mute
[21:36] <OvenWerks> Where do I find the build log?
[21:36] <zequence> Let me get the link..
[21:36] <OvenWerks> I have been googling but not finding
[21:37] <zequence> OvenWerks: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/saucy/
[21:37] <zequence> There is some other stuff that might be interesting to look through on that site
[21:37] <zequence> All Ubuntu members may upload their own stuff too
[21:37] <zequence> ah, sorry
[21:38] <zequence> there's also http://people.ubuntu.com
[21:38] <zequence> mixed those up
[21:38] <zequence> so, the second one is for ubuntu members
[21:38] <zequence> not possible to browse, I think (the latter)
[21:40] <zequence> anyway, this here http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/
[21:40] <OvenWerks> Ya, I get sent to the wiki
[21:40] <zequence> Ahh
[21:40] <zequence> OvenWerks: I was looking the wrong place
[21:41] <zequence> OvenWerks: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/saucy/ubuntustudio-dvd/20130625/livecd-20130625-amd64.out
[21:41] <zequence> That's one of the ones that failed
[21:41] <zequence> I'm thinking the reason why the log didnt' show on mail list is there's a maximum lenght for posts
[21:41] <OvenWerks> Some one got it though.
[21:41] <OvenWerks> So it got fixed
[21:42] <OvenWerks> I'll keep a bookmark so I can find it next time
[21:43] <zequence> The good thing about having text logs in a url like that is you can retrieve info using scripts or aliases for your bash
[21:43] <zequence> Well, maybe not those logs, when I come to think about it
[21:44] <zequence> I just saw there was a current and latest folder, but the names are still a bit custom
[21:45] <zequence> but still, managable, if you ask for logs of a specific date


[23:35] <ubotu> alzamabar: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[23:35] <AngryElf> despite selection every possible option for screen resolution in dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg, I'm still only presented with three of them in the GUI Screen resolution -- how do I get the higher resolutions --  It's a geforce 6200, I'm sure it can do the higher ones -- using the binary driver too
[23:35] <erUSUL> pablin: http://opensource.creative.com/
[23:35] <pike_> i wouldnt think so
[23:35] <alzamabar> kelsin, I'm new to Ubuntu. How do I enable repositories?
[23:35] <pike_> sebrock: no
[23:35] <verb3k> sebrock, give it 000 :)
[23:35] <pike_> sebrock: i mean root could chmod it back
[23:36] <kelsin> alzamabar: that web link ubotu just posted will help (ubotu is a bot)
[23:36] <sebrock> pike_, 600 means its not executable?
[23:36] <Seven_Six_Two> Why is the update manager failing to find files that I can see with my web browser? I'm doing 7.04 to 7.10
[23:36] <DM|> AngryElf unfortunately there is a problem with that right now, i had to play around for an hour once to get it to work .. Nvidia right? (try playing with System>Preferences>Screen and Graphics
[23:36] <SpookyET> Is the Java installation by firefox local or global?
[23:36] <Seven_Six_Two> eg:   http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/i18n/Translation-en_GB.bz2
[23:36] <pike_> sebrock: yeah basically you have rwx so 421 if you do 42- then the value is 6 and just 0 for group and other
[23:37] <echosystm> ffs
[23:37] <echosystm> i keep getting wireless dropouts
[23:37] <demo_> ne1 help getting wireless to work on ubuntu 6.06 fiesty
[23:37] <demo_> ?
[23:37] <echosystm> lol
[23:37] <ouellettesr> is there a program that will scan for available wireless networks?
[23:37] <AngryElf> DM|: not using gutsy, still on er, feisty?
[23:37] <erUSUL> !wifi | demo_
[23:37] <ubotu> demo_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:37] <pike_> ouellettesr: iwlist scan
[23:37] <echosystm> i can help you demo_
[23:37] <sebrock> pike_, alright I chmod it and try to reboot :D
[23:37] <DM|> AngryElf oh, sorry cant help then :X
[23:37] <ouellettesr> pike thanks
[23:37] <pike_> ouellettesr: actually iwlist <device> scan
[23:37] <demo_> first step?
[23:37] <nickrud> SpookyET: if you have the browser install java, it would be your user only; sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin will be all users
[23:37] <Chewy954> Guys
[23:37] <erUSUL> ouellettesr: iwlist <iface> scan
[23:37] <echosystm> what card do you have demo_ ?
[23:37] <Chewy954> any ideas why ubuntu wont boot?
[23:37] <Chewy954> I dunno y...
[23:37] <Chewy954> :\
[23:38] <NYCThomasB> can someone help me undo a ath0 down command?
[23:38] <Chewy954> it boots in vmware... but text mode...
[23:38] <fsckr> ive looked on the official kiba-dock page for and answer.  If anyone here uses kiba-dock and is having a problem with it saving changes you make in the settings but doesn't save them point me in the direction of the resolution if there happens to be one?
[23:38] <demo_> realtek broadcom 11.08g i think or something like that
[23:38] <ouellettesr> are there any gui apps that will do that?
[23:38] <echosystm> oh
[23:38]  * N3bunel away
[23:38] <pike_> ouellettesr: there are a number of em
[23:38] <echosystm> is it supported in 6.06 by default?
[23:38] <erUSUL> ouellettesr: wifi-radar, kismet, ....
[23:38] <CrashOverride> ok I guess I broke X or something is there any internet browsers for bash becuase I have to do everything from the bash from ctrl-alt-F2
[23:38] <echosystm> i can only help you beyond that, im not too good with drivers
[23:39] <ouellettesr> which one is preferred?
[23:39] <nickrud> CrashOverride: lynx, links, elinks
[23:39] <pike_> ouellettesr: if you dont like using the cli command you wont like kismet much i wouldnt think but wifi-radar is an easy gui app
[23:39] <CrashOverride> lynx sounds good then
[23:39] <corruptionoflulz> where is the grub config file again?
[23:39] <pike_> CrashOverride: links2
[23:39] <Rezagrats> How can i install programs without an internet connection
[23:39] <Rezagrats> ?
[23:39] <ouellettesr> ok thanks
[23:39] <pg> I failed to boot again, after setting sda5 to bootable.  sda5 is the only partition on this sata disk and grub recognizes it as hd0,4.  menu.lst says "root (hd0,4)" and device.map says "(hd0) /dev/sda".  I understand I cannot make a partition primary without overwriting it.  Trying to re-install grub in the mbr using grub-install, I get "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.".  Any more suggestions?
[23:39] <CrashOverride> t
[23:39] <SpookyET> nickrud: It did ask to input my password though.
[23:39] <hwilde> streaming audio help please?   how to play the links on this page:  http://breakbeat.co.uk/Listen/StudioMixes.aspx   (javascript popup)
[23:39] <Meshezabeel> I thought I heard before that ubuntu comes with compiz-fusion built in, is this correct, or am I mistaken?
[23:40] <pike_> Rezagrats: packages.ubuntu.com  grab the deb file and also the deb dependancies listed then you can just drop em in /var/cache/apt/archives maybe
[23:40] <hwilde> Meshezabeel, go to appearance options mk
[23:40] <nickrud> SpookyET: ah, then that was an ubuntu extension to firefox, installed sun-java6-plugin for you (just had it do that for mozilla-mplayer today, suprised the heck out of me :)
[23:40] <pike_> Meshezabeel: yes but to edit the settings you need to install the config manager for compiz
[23:41] <bonobo> isc
[23:41] <pike_> Meshezabeel: i've heard
[23:41] <erUSUL> !ccsm
[23:41] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[23:41] <nickrud> Meshezabeel: compizconfig-settings-manager to be precise
[23:41] <NYCThomasB> does anyone know how to reverse this statemnt?:  sudo ifconfig ath0 down followed by: sudo ifconfig wifi down
[23:41] <mdmcginn> I deleted some of my son's baby pictures. PhotoRec found them all, I'm sure, but it also found a few gigs of other photos, losing the directories and the file names, and I'd rather just recreate the directory structure than manually sort everything again.
[23:41] <SpookyET> nickrud: know anything about tracker?
[23:42] <nickrud> SpookyET: not really, I stuck with beagle
[23:42] <MoTec> NYCThomasB: sudo replace 'down' with 'up'
[23:42] <Meshezabeel> ok, thanks hwilde, pike_, nickrud ... kinda strange settings manager wasn't included too
[23:42] <sebrock> pike_, FYI vbetool is now long gone and my suspend scripts works perfect
[23:42] <NYCThomasB> motec: it tried - it didnt like it
[23:42] <pike_> NYCThomasB: youll need to dhclient ath0 after that to reaquire ip address
[23:42] <SpookyET> The morons are asking "Do you agree with the DLj license terms?" with a checkmark next you it.
[23:42] <nickrud> sebrock: what video card, if I may ask
[23:42] <hwilde> NYCThomasB, sudo ifconfig ath0 up
[23:42] <Rezagrats> Pike_, not finding the deb file, or idk what i'm actually looking for
[23:42] <SpookyET> I checked that I've been asked, not that I agree with it:-)
[23:42] <pike_> Rezagrats: what app
[23:43] <Rezagrats> Um alot of them actually
[23:43] <Seven_Six_Two> I can't do an upgrade. running the update manager fails on "Modifying software channels" 53 of 63. I can cancel to see the failed files, and I can browse to the failed files with konqueror. Am I missing something?
[23:43] <MoTec> ath0? what happened to eth0?
[23:43] <sebrock> nickrud, its a GMA 3100 on a G33 chipset - thing is it made a lot of things not work. network was gone, alsa gone and so one
[23:43] <sebrock> all depending on that shit
[23:43] <hwilde> streaming audio help please?  how can I play the links on this page:   http://breakbeat.co.uk/Listen/StudioMixes.aspx
[23:43] <gordonjcp> NYCThomasB: sudo ifconfig ath0 up && ifconfig wifi up
[23:43] <kitche> !language | sebrock
[23:43] <ubotu> sebrock: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:43] <erUSUL> MoTec: ath0 is wireless atheros card
[23:43] <MoTec> erUSUL: Thanks :)
[23:43] <nickrud> sebrock: ok, I have ati and don't have suspend, that's something I'll try to find time to test, thanks anyway
[23:44] <gordonjcp> mdmcginn: probably not, in Unix filesystems generally, once you delete something it's pretty much gone
[23:44] <Dankchild> hey guys i was in here earlier with a hard drive problem, it was clicking, i did some things and now its not clicking anymore, but its detected and only 93 gigs of 500 are detected and no data. please help!
[23:44] <pike_> NYCThomasB: the basic steps to connecting to an open AP from command line:  sudo ifconfig ath0 up  then: 1. iwlist ath0 scan  2. sudo iwconfig ath0 essid somenetworkname   3. sudo dhclient ath0
[23:44] <NYCThomasB> all: when i change to "up" i get ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device
[23:44] <SpookyET> I wonder if we'll get a flash update soon.
[23:44] <gordonjcp> mdmcginn: if it's on a camera memory card, chances are it's a vfat filesystem and you may be in luck
[23:44] <hwilde> NYCThomasB, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart      check your /etc/network/interfaces file
[23:44] <SpookyET> It has H.264 support and hardware acceleration
[23:44] <sebrock> nickrud, after a suspend do you have something mashing 100%?
[23:44] <gordonjcp> Dankchild: sounds like it's failed
[23:44] <_bildpunkt> hi. my desktop froze. i am now via ssh connected to my mashine. in htop i see that XGL is using all system resources. i have a open office document opened. how can i save it?^^
[23:44] <sebrock> nickrud, vbetool always sucked 100% cpu after a resume before
[23:44] <nickrud> sebrock: no, it won't suspend at all
[23:44] <pike_> NYCThomasB: pcmcia card?
[23:45] <Dankchild> gordonjcp: is there anything i can do?
[23:45] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: have you moved that drive to a secondary bus (if ide) or disabled any writes to it
[23:45] <kitche> SpookyET: unless it's a security update then no
[23:45] <sebrock> oh, well first off get that nickrud
[23:45] <NYCThomasB> PIKE: yes
[23:45] <MikeH> Hrm, can someone recommend me a clean featured msn client? I've tried amsn which looks tacky imo, and pidgin, which looks nice but lacks features and keeps losing messages.
[23:45] <nickrud> sebrock: or more precicely, I have to hard reset if I try suspend
[23:45] <Seven_Six_Two> _bildpunkt, you can try replacing xgl with kwin
[23:45] <pike_> NYCThomasB: unplug replug then dmesg | tail  maybe it is ath1 or something
[23:45] <_bildpunkt> Seven_Six_Two: how?
[23:45] <Dankchild> jack_sparrow: its an external hdd.
[23:45] <hwilde> sebrock, nickrud,  you know when u suspend it has to write all of your memory to the disk?  u think that should take like 5% cpu?
[23:45] <SpookyET> Speaking of updates, I don't get why it downloads the entire program instead of patches. It's such a waste of bandwidth and space.
[23:45] <miffe> ubotu, !universe
[23:45] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[23:45] <kitche> Seven_Six_Two: it would eb hard to replace xgl with kwin since they do different things
[23:46] <hwilde> MikeH, did u try amsn
[23:46] <kyle__> hey people i need ur help
[23:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: Just wanted to make sure it wasnt still set as a boot or primary master etc
[23:46] <nickrud> hwilde: not my issue, I'm talking about ram suspend not hibernate
[23:46] <hwilde> !help | kyle__
[23:46] <sebrock> hwilde, no it doesnt write anything to disc, this is suspend not hibernate
[23:46] <ubotu> kyle__: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:46] <MikeH> hwilde, yes, I thought it looked a bit tacky....
[23:46] <kyle__> thanks
[23:46] <pike_> NYCThomasB: you should also have a device manager application in gnome but im not familiar with it
[23:46] <kyle__> help.....
[23:46] <kyle__> the beryl
[23:46] <hwilde> MikeH, umm just change your window theme
[23:46] <kyle__> im am running a AMD64
[23:46] <Dankchild> jack_sparrow: k, thanks, do you have any suggestions?
[23:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: Hirenscd or the live gparted would be my next step on that,
[23:46] <kitche> SpookyET: hmm what patches if there is none see in Linux really they don't do patches it's not like Windows
[23:46] <nickrud> hwilde: although hibernate is fubared as well ;()
[23:46] <MikeH> hwilde, My window theme is fine...?
[23:46] <Seven_Six_Two> kitche, kwin is a window decorator. if you kill xgl you need a replacement.
[23:46] <zer0cool> I recently installed ubuntu alongside vista, and now vista won't boot. can anyone help?
[23:46] <SpookyET> kitche: I know. A waste of bandwidth.
[23:46] <Dankchild> jack_sparrow: ive tried gparted but it didnt show up
[23:46] <kitche> Seven_Six_Two: xgl is a server
[23:47] <kyle__> with a ATI Raedon 1650 graphics card
[23:47] <hwilde> nickrud, sebrock, MikeH, how do I play the streaming audio on this page:  http://breakbeat.co.uk/Listen/StudioMixes.aspx
[23:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: I just booted this box to get my mail and saw your post..
[23:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: gparted LIVE stand alone cd..
[23:47] <SpookyET> kitche: I really like it. I switched from Vista, hopefully for good.
[23:47] <MikeH> ooh, breakbeat.
[23:47] <DARKGuy> Gwah, ls is frustrating sometimes! >.<... could anybody tell me why "ls *.mp3" doesn't work??
[23:47] <kitche> Seven_Six_Two: so you mean Compiz not xgl since compiz is a window manager just like kwin is
[23:47] <Seven_Six_Two> kitche, whatever you want to call it, it replaces kwin when it starts, as it's a compositing window manager
[23:47] <MikeH> hwilde, Ok, in amsn how can I get my user groups back?!
[23:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: or are you talking the gparted from the ubuntu cd
[23:47] <Seven_Six_Two> kitche, oh yes.
[23:47] <nickrud> zer0cool: you would edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to include the vista stanza; a sec & I'll give you a link. One question: what partition is your vista on?
[23:48] <sebrock> hwilde, find a suitable plugin
[23:48] <pg> Grub fails to boot: error 22 (no such device).  sda5 is the only partition on this disk, it is set to bootable, and grub recognizes it as hd0,4.  menu.lst says "root (hd0,4)" and device.map says "(hd0) /dev/sda".  Perhaps grub needs to be re-installed in the mbr?
[23:48] <Dankchild> jack_sparrow: ok, no i havent tried that i will, i was talking about the one i installed on ubuntu.
[23:48] <hwilde> sebrock, ok but how I can't even figure out what type of media it is!
[23:48] <kyle__> im running a AMD 64 with a ATI Raedon 1650 graphics card and i really wana get beryl running how do i get it running without stuffing the computer??
[23:48] <hwilde> kyle__, go to appearance settings and turn it all the way up
[23:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: I have no real issue with the one that is part of the installer.  I just like the stand alone when working on a drive like yours.
[23:48] <nickrud> hwilde: I use mozilla-mplayer, it's playing
[23:48] <Seven_Six_Two> _bildpunkt, maybe try kwin --replace
[23:49] <_bildpunkt> Seven_Six_Two: ok ty
[23:49] <zer0cool> nickrud: vista is in the grub boot menu (automatically did it during install) but selecting it won't boot vista. it makes the system reboot
[23:49] <MoTec> pg: from grub's prompt, do a:  setup (hd0)
[23:49] <seeitcoming> join #deluge
[23:49] <hwilde> nickrud, ack opera
[23:49] <kyle__> wheres that?
[23:49] <seeitcoming> *sigh* I suck
[23:49] <kyle__> apperances settings?
[23:49] <Dankchild> jack_sparrow: alright ill try that, thanks man.
[23:49] <zer0cool> nickrud: it's on partition hda2
[23:49] <SpookyET> I definitely hava java isntalled. firefox froze:-)
[23:49] <blueyed> Hi. How can I get/display information about the RAM being used on a computer (DDR, DDR2, ..)?
[23:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: If you can crack the enclosure and make sure it gets plenty of air
[23:49] <kyle__> ...
[23:49] <kyle__> im running a AMD 64 with a ATI Raedon 1650 graphics card and i really wana get beryl running how do i get it running without stuffing the computer??
[23:49] <Seven_Six_Two> or man kwin to get the proper options. I don't think you'll be able to run kwin from a ssh without specifying a display
[23:49] <pike_> SpookyET: congrats ;p
[23:49] <MoTec> pg: setup (hd0) puts it in the MBR, setup (hd0,0) puts it in a specific partition
[23:50] <erUSUL> blueyed: you can not afaik (you have to check on the bios)
[23:50] <nickrud> zer0cool: could you put a copy of your /boot/grub/menu.lst on paste.ubuntu-nl.org? I understand grub, but not vista
[23:50] <SpookyET> Should it not respond to "java --version"
[23:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: good luck.. I wont be around for at least a day or two..
[23:50] <MikeH> hwilde, looks like a flash player to me?
[23:50] <hwilde> kyle__, did you even look through the nice menu they made for you?  i mean how did u find xchat?   it's under system or whatever.  appearance.  fancy effects
[23:50] <SpookyET> it says "could not create java virtual machine"
[23:50] <Dankchild> jack_sparrow: i have it open and sitting on top, im getting ready to go get a fan also.
[23:50] <Seven_Six_Two> kyle__, do you have hardware rendering working? try   fglrxinfo
[23:50] <VSpike> DARKGuy: in what way does it not work?
[23:50] <Dankchild> jack_sparrow: thanks again.
[23:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: Ok.. just trying to think of anything
[23:50] <hwilde> nickrud, i was in opera... u know if u start using opera, the mozilla icon on the taskbar launches opera?
[23:50] <pike_> SpookyET: one - so -version
[23:50] <kyle__> i had to install x chat myself
[23:50] <blueyed> erUSUL: there are programs for windows AFAIK.. (e.g. SiSoft Sandra or similar). So I think there must be something for linux, too.
[23:51] <nickrud> hwilde: rflol, must use x-www-browser
[23:51] <pg> MoTec: setup (hd0)     Invalid device requested
[23:51] <kyle__> the hardware rendering stuffs it up
[23:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: also go online and calc the power supply rating for your computer
[23:51] <kyle__> takes ages to log in then it logs out again
[23:51] <DARKGuy> VSpike: it says it can't find any *.mp3 files
[23:51] <MoTec> pg: doesn't sound like a grub problem, then...  Not sure what else to try.
[23:51] <VSpike> DARKGuy: maybe find -iname '*.mp3' would be better?
[23:51] <DARKGuy> VSpike: when I have the folder full of mp3s
[23:51] <SpookyET> It works.
[23:51] <DARKGuy> VSpike: that works, but not for the purpose I'm trying to use it :(
[23:51] <Seven_Six_Two> kyle__, does it say it's enabled when you use fglrxinfo | grep Direct
[23:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Dankchild: Your external might be starving for juice if the PS is too small
[23:51] <VSpike> DARKGuy: if they are called blah.MP3 it will not find them
[23:51]  * Pelo 's dvd burner has been acting realy weird since the last hal update, anyone else ?
[23:51] <DARKGuy> *to use it for
[23:51] <pg> MoTec:  "find /boot/grub/stage1" says "(hd0,4)"
[23:51] <pike_> SpookyET: what is the version number
[23:51] <hwilde> nickrud, thats why i was goin crazy bc it plays on my old laptop in ubuntu 5.10
[23:52] <DARKGuy> VSpike: I know, they are .mp3 :p
[23:52] <Chewy954> is the beta 1 of 8.04 stable? I gotta reinstall ubuntu, might aswell install it if its pretty stable...
[23:52] <kyle__> "command not found"
[23:52] <SpookyET> 1.6.0_03-b05
[23:52] <ConstyXIV> Chewy954, it's an alpha, and not quite yet
[23:52] <Seven_Six_Two> kyle__, what module are you using for your video card?
[23:52] <nickrud> hwilde: I don't use opera much, but iirc there's some setting in it that tells it to use the mozilla plugins?
[23:52] <kyle__> im running ubuntu 7.04
[23:52] <genii> Chewy954: I'd wait for a couple more pre-preleases
[23:52] <DM|> Chewy954: its an alpha, its not stable
[23:52] <Pelo> Chewy954, beta are never stable, and you should beaswking in #ubuntu+1 anyway
[23:52] <kyle__> and ATI Raedon X1650
[23:52] <nickrud> Chewy954: lol, maybe in march
[23:52] <VSpike> DARKGuy: OK, that is pretty wierd .. maybe something strange in your shell options?
[23:52] <Seven_Six_Two> that's not an answer to my question
[23:52] <DARKGuy> VSpike: actually, it was my mistake o.O...
[23:52] <MoTec> pg: then setup (hd0) _should_ work :(
[23:52] <hwilde> nickrud, oh ive got firefox :) its already playing
[23:53] <Pelo> !enter | kyle__
[23:53] <ubotu> kyle__: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[23:53] <Chewy954> BLARG
[23:53]  * nickrud is suprised when opera every now and then shows up in his web statistics
[23:53] <Seven_Six_Two> kyle__, did you manually install a driver for your card? was it from the ATI site?
[23:53] <Chewy954> im getting frustrated
[23:53] <Chewy954> hmm
[23:53]  * Chewy954 thinks
[23:53] <kyle__> okat, sory
[23:53] <DARKGuy> VSpike: it works now xD
[23:53] <DARKGuy> ty anyways :D :D
[23:53] <VSpike> DARKGuy: oh .. what was it?
[23:53] <kyle__> Yes
[23:53] <Pelo> nickrud,  opera was a very promissing web-browser, all in one webapplications
[23:53] <zer0cool> nickrud: ok it's pasted. i hope you don't mind: i pasted all
[23:53] <VSpike> DARKGuy: on the basis that I will probably make the same error sooner or later :)
[23:54] <Pelo> back in 1997
[23:54] <nickrud> zer0cool: all is good :0
[23:54] <Seven_Six_Two> does fglrxinfo say direct rendering is enabled?
[23:54] <Chewy954> what should I do? D: if ubuntu wont boot for me.... after I'm in GRUB, choose ubuntu, it shows some screen saying cannot be allocated, always does this, but then black screen, doesnt progress from there :|
[23:54] <nickrud> zer0cool: so, gimme the page link :)
[23:54] <kyle__> when it is running and i reboot as soon as i log on it logs out
[23:54] <pike_> opera is very nice until you find a website that just doesnt display and that does happen often
[23:54] <DARKGuy> VSpike: Hehe :p I had a bunch of files like .mp3.new.mp3 and I wanted to list them, but I was typing "ls *.mp3.new" instead of "*.mp3.new.mp3" :/
[23:54] <DARKGuy> VSpike: I'm still used to DOS syntax, lol :p
[23:54] <nickrud> Pelo: I do like some of the things it does, that visual bookmark guide is kinda cool
[23:54] <Pelo> Chewy954, what is the exact error msg, does it have a number
[23:55] <VSpike> DARKGuy: ohh .. figures :)
[23:55] <Seven_Six_Two> kyle__, then it's probably not set up properly. try dumping your xfree or xorg log file to pastebin and paste the url here
[23:55] <zer0cool> nickrud: ok. (never used paste site before) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46892/
[23:55] <DARKGuy> VSpike: heh yeah XD g2g ^-^
[23:55] <pike_> i love the speed dial tab in opera
[23:55] <pg> MoTec: thanks.  I'm actually trying to copy my installation from the an old disk to this one.  This error occurred after I tried with dd.  My final approach is to install with the CD, upgrade to the latest version and copy all directories from the old disk.  Will that work?
[23:55] <kyle__> can someone teach me how to use this please im quite new to it...
[23:55] <tony_math> I'm still having problems changing proxy settings in Synaptic. When I click on OK or Apply in the properties page, Synaptic hangs and I have to kill it.
[23:55] <Pelo> nickrud,  I haven'T checked it out recently,  I'm just saying that when it began it was very promissing, I realy liked the way it would load a webpage in order of priorty, text first image next,  .... background last
[23:55] <Seven_Six_Two> kyle__, teach you to use what? what don't you know how to do?
[23:55] <tony_math> Is there a way to "reset" Synaptic perhaps from the command line.
[23:56] <Dankchild> jack_sparrow: its got an external power source.
[23:56] <Chewy954> Pelo: no error, just wont boot :\
[23:56] <Pelo> nickrud,  that kind of things made it realy easy if y ou were using a modem
[23:56] <kyle__> this x client
[23:56] <Pelo> Chewy954, can you boot the live cd ?
[23:56] <Chewy954> the allocation thing has been happening since I installed ubuntu
[23:56] <Chewy954> should be able to.
[23:56] <Chewy954> did before
[23:56] <Seven_Six_Two> kyle__, xgl?
[23:56] <nickrud> zer0cool: the grub stanza says it's on sda3 (equiv to hda3) are you sure it's 2? if so, change it
[23:56] <pike_> kyle__: try alt-ctrl-f2 then login then sudo adduser somename     give em a password then after its done alt-f7 to get back to the gui login and try that user can they login?
[23:56] <chalcedony> when you download a . *.tar.gz  what comes next?
[23:56] <kyle__> umm.... no
[23:57] <Seven_Six_Two> kyle__, I don't know what you mean by x client
[23:57] <nickrud> zer0cool: count from 0, so it would be (hd0,1)
[23:57] <pike_> kyle__: if it doesnt work you know your profile is fine and its a general settings issue
[23:57] <kyle__> thx pike
[23:57] <tony_math> Does anyone know where Synaptic stores it's configuration information? Would this be a text file?
[23:57] <DM|> hmm, is there a way to change the resolution of your log in window
[23:57] <erUSUL> chalcedony: compiling but you should install only packages from repositories
[23:57] <rangerguy39> when i downloaded ubuntu, it saved it to a disc - now when i run the disc, a screen comes up and says 'launching browser', and then goes away. whats wrong?
[23:57] <zer0cool> nickrud: umm.. it starts at 0, right? i know it's the third primary partition..
[23:57] <chalcedony> erUSUL: it's an ok file .. but tell me steps please?
[23:57] <nickrud> Pelo: I lived on a tiny dialup for a long time, I learned to love lynx then
[23:57] <erUSUL> tony_math: /etc/apt/
[23:57] <noodles12> how do u get to the update manager from the terminal?
[23:58] <Pelo> Chewy954, I suggest this,  boot thelive cd make, create a new partiton on your hdd,  copy your /home folder to it , then, reinstall ubuntu from scratch,   uisng manual partitioning, so you can tell it about your /home partiton , that will save all you rsettings and data,  thenyou can play areound with the os all you like whitout fear
[23:58] <teknoprep> hi all
[23:58] <tony_math> thanks erUSUL, I'm going to check that uou
[23:58] <teknoprep> i don't get a splash screen now that i have everything installed
[23:58] <pike_> noodles12: gksu update-manager
[23:58] <teknoprep> is this a common error ?
[23:58] <tony_math> check that out....:)
[23:58] <rangerguy39> when i downloaded ubuntu, it saved it to a disc - now when i run the disc, a screen comes up and says 'launching browser', and then goes away. whats wrong?
[23:58] <nickrud> zer0cool: ok, you mentioned hda2 above. third partition would be hd0,2 as it says. Why vista won't chainload, I don't know
[23:58] <erUSUL> chalcedony: it can be very messy you have to install all the devel lib first and the compilers linkers etc
[23:58] <noodles12> pike_: thanks
[23:58] <Chewy954> okay Pelo
[23:58] <rangerguy39> anyone know?
[23:58] <hwilde> nickrud, sebrock, MikeH,   thanks hope you like D&B
[23:58] <VSpike> like a lot of innovations, i'm not sure if flock is a great idea or an abomination
[23:58] <Chewy954> just dont have much HDD space left :\
[23:58] <mr__daniel> tony_math: the list of repository sources is located in /etc/apt/
[23:59] <erUSUL> chalcedony: you are better finding it on the repos or on getdeb
[23:59] <chalcedony> erUSUL: i see .. a webpage maybe?
[23:59] <erUSUL> !b-e
[23:59] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[23:59] <sebrock> hwilde, ?
[23:59] <kitche> rangerguy39: qhat do you mean you saved it to disc?
[23:59] <ouellettesr> hey you guys what do I need to get wireless adapters to work on my laptop?
[23:59] <nickrud> hwilde: it was a little new agey for my tastes ;) gimme some roadhouse stuff & I'll be happy
[23:59] <rangerguy39> when i ran it, it opened a program to save it to a disc
[23:59] <pike_> kyle__: remeber the new user wont have many permissions so they wont be a member of the sound group or cdrom or any of that jazz unitl you make em
[23:59] <rangerguy39> i did, and then i ran if from the disc
[23:59] <zer0cool> nickrud: well, thanks for trying.. i guess i'll call microsoft...
[23:59] <CrashOverride> how do I reset all X's settings to default


[14:30] <cpaelzer_> hiho
[14:30] <cpaelzer_> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 28 14:30:59 2020 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:31] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: didrocks: ddstreet: doko: jamespage: sarnold: ping for MIR Meeting
[14:31] <cpaelzer_> who'd be around today?
[14:31] <ddstreet> o/
[14:31] <jamespage> o/
[14:31] <jamespage> hello
[14:32] <sarnold> good morning
[14:32] <cpaelzer_> ok glad we have a few around - let us start
[14:33] <cpaelzer_> I already know we later need an AA, so an extra ping for doko :-)
[14:33] <cpaelzer_> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:33] <cpaelzer_> Well I was out and have no action open from my PTO :-)
[14:33] <cpaelzer_> was there anything assigned last week here?
[14:34] <cpaelzer_> no actions or everone fell asleep?
[14:34] <sarnold> hmm, I think jamespage was going to try to amend a packge to reduce the size of the svgs
[14:34] <sarnold> but I indeed didn't assign actions..
[14:35] <cpaelzer_> ah ok, yeah he had a few things showing up in proposed on his list over the last few weeks
[14:35] <cpaelzer_> let us go on then
[14:35] <jamespage> I picked up all of the octavia-* reviews
[14:35] <jamespage> mosttly done one left
[14:35] <cpaelzer_> thanks jamespage
[14:35] <cpaelzer_> #topic current component mismatches
[14:35] <cpaelzer_> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:35] <didrocks> (hey, sorry for being late)
[14:35] <cpaelzer_> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:35] <cpaelzer_> hi didrocks
[14:35] <cpaelzer_> octavia jamespage mentioned already
[14:36] <cpaelzer_> addcli/realmd are actually ready for promotion - not sure why it is listed in red
[14:36] <cpaelzer_> doko: if you are around the seed change happened and adcli / realmd could be promoted
[14:36] <cpaelzer_> next we have odd things around the kernel (no problem)
[14:36] <didrocks> I can do it otherwise (source + all binaries?)
[14:36] <cpaelzer_> oh
[14:36] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/realmd/+bug/1868154 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adcli/+bug/1868159
[14:37] <cpaelzer_> IIRC all source + bin
[14:37] <didrocks> thx! Will do after the meeting
[14:37] <cpaelzer_> thank you
[14:37] <cpaelzer_> I've forgotten you had AA powers
[14:37] <didrocks> nw!
[14:37] <cpaelzer_> we continue to ignore the maas seed
[14:37] <cpaelzer_> masakari is with jamespage as well
[14:38] <cpaelzer_> the first one new (to me) is khronos-opencl-clhpp
[14:38] <cpaelzer_> it seems that was in main in the past, but isn't in any active release
[14:38] <sarnold> I don't recall seeing tlp on the list earlier -- is that intentional? it's direct in a seed, right?
[14:39] <cpaelzer_> I haven't seen that either
[14:39] <cpaelzer_> the tlb source of the dependency is "supported-hardware-desktop" seed - didrocks do you know?
[14:40] <didrocks> I can investigate, I didn’t hear anything explicitely about it
[14:40] <didrocks> either keeping and MIR or drop it from the seed
[14:40] <cpaelzer_> ok
[14:40] <cpaelzer_> the khronos thing is from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ocl-icd/2.2.11-1ubuntu1
[14:41] <sarnold> I've gained an 'iffy' feeling about tlp -- I've seen a lot of bug reports that mention tlp, I've gained a feeling it might be more trouble than it is worth
[14:41] <cpaelzer_> actually
[14:41] <cpaelzer_> 2.2.12-4        | groovy-proposed
[14:41] <didrocks> sarnold: that was my memory about this project as well
[14:42] <cpaelzer_> ocl-icd which needs khronos-opencl-clhpp seems to be some OpenCL stuff
[14:42] <cpaelzer_> I wasn't aware this is supported - is that part of the toolchain
[14:42] <cpaelzer_> doko ? ^^
[14:43] <cpaelzer_> I think we really need doko for this one unless one of you has more background
[14:43] <cpaelzer_> the nex one would be "logilab-common" depending on some python libs
[14:44] <cpaelzer_> in main since forever it seems
[14:46] <cpaelzer_> this is in pain for pylint it seems and foundations is subscribed - I'd suggest doko takes a look once he is available again
[14:47] <cpaelzer_> xnox: vorlon: ^^ highlight for "logilab-common -> python-typin-extensions + python-mypy-extensions" and "ocl-icd -> khronos-opencl-clhpp" just in case doko isn't available for longer and you'd have extra input on these showing up as component mismatches
[14:47] <cpaelzer_> waveform: libubootenv is still waiting on your input, so please feel pinged :-)
[14:48] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: actually, I think freetype -> fonts-material-design-icons-iconfont falls under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess?action=show&redirect=MIRTeam#Font_Packages
[14:48] <cpaelzer_> didrocks: would you mind to take a look afterwards and promote if that is true?
[14:48] <waveform> cpaelzer_, pong! I did forward that patch upstream - will see if I can find out what happened to it
[14:48] <cpaelzer_> waveform: can you update the bug so everyone is aware please ?
[14:49] <cpaelzer_> is everone ok with component mismatches for today then?
[14:49] <didrocks> cpaelzer_: will do
[14:49] <waveform> cpaelzer_, will do
[14:49] <cpaelzer_> thanks didrocks
[14:49] <doko> cpaelzer_: it's on foundations list, although not on mine
[14:49] <cpaelzer_> well that is enough to know it is not just dangling in mismatches
[14:49] <cpaelzer_> and o/ doko
[14:49] <cpaelzer_> going on to the next section then
[14:50] <cpaelzer_> #topic New MIRs
[14:50] <cpaelzer_> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:50] <cpaelzer_> there are a whopping 24 bugs, but all are part of the special oem-* process we defined a while ago
[14:50] <cpaelzer_> none for us to review
[14:50] <cpaelzer_> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:50] <cpaelzer_> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:51] <cpaelzer_> one activity which was a bug prep by me that is held back until I've had a chance to clarify if we want to own jq and libonig
[14:51] <cpaelzer_> that is for mdevctl
[14:51] <cpaelzer_> I think we are good on those lists
[14:51] <sarnold> oh man please not yet another regex library ..
[14:51] <cpaelzer_> #topic Any other business?
[14:52] <didrocks> FTR, tpl is pending the oem team: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1888656
[14:52] <didrocks> but the MIR is not ready, I’ll still subscribe our team so that it shows up on the report
[14:52] <cpaelzer_> perfect, thanks for finding this
[14:53] <cpaelzer_> any thing else before we close this ?
[14:53] <cpaelzer_> ok then
[14:53] <cpaelzer_> until next week
[14:54] <didrocks> thanks :)
[14:54] <cpaelzer_> #endmeeting
[14:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 28 14:54:26 2020 UTC.
[14:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-07-28-14.30.moin.txt
[14:56] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer_, all :)
[14:59] <vorlon> cpaelzer_: ocl-icd is owned by the kernel team; that should go to them for review?
[15:02] <vorlon> xnox: why did you see python3-logilab-common? nothing else in main depends on it and it looks uninteresting, even if it was in main previously
[15:07] <xnox> vorlon:  I do not speak for things i have done in my previous employment at canonical. =) I was young and naive. I thought at the time, that when porting logilab-common to python3, things in main will want to use it when switching to python3. They didn't.
[15:07] <xnox> vorlon:  it's safe to drop that seed from 2014.
[15:07] <cpaelzer_> thanks vorlon, kernel team has no MIR Team member we could ask about ocd. But we can ping a few kernel members if it is still around next time
[15:07] <vorlon> xnox: >_<
[15:07] <cpaelzer_> vorlon: thanks for the hint
[15:07] <xnox> vorlon:  let me check all packages in that commit
[15:07] <xnox> vorlon:  and if nothing needs them in main, i will revert the lot
[15:08] <vorlon> cpaelzer_: well, surely the team owning the revdep package should be driving the MIR, independent of being on the MIR team
[15:08] <cpaelzer_> yeah that is how we always do it
[15:11] <cpaelzer_> vorlon: checkign 7 things at once in the meeting I didn't get to check the subscriber on ocl-icd
[15:12] <xnox> vorlon:  dropped that whole sub-paragragh.
[15:12] <xnox> (in the development seed)
[16:02] <vorlon> xnox: ack, cheers
[16:03] <vorlon> xnox: it was more trouble than it's worth for me to figure out why that package was originally pulled into main, because reverse-depends no longer works for trusty ;)
[16:15] <xnox> hahahhaha
[16:15] <xnox> vorlon:  i do wish we had at least rmadison that can do ESM series properly.


[01:00] <exarkun> Can I make bzr-svn use a specific cache directory?
[01:35] <jelmer_> exarkun: there isn't a configuration option, though you should be able to symlink ~/.cache/bazaar/svn to something else of course
[04:14] <exarkun> But that won't help me have two different bzr processes use two different svn caches
[11:37] <eQuiNoX__> hey guys, im new to bzr(im more familiar with git/hg); im having to push to launchpad and i have outgoing ssh blocked here so how could i go about doing this?


[02:29] <sarnold> hallyn,zul, do i recall someone recently complaining about qemu dying with a message "virtio: trying to map MMIO memory"? This looks important: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/virtualization/2013-December/025830.html
[04:51] <hallyn> sarnold: well it sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/818673  except the link you posted only mentions 9p-virtio
[08:09] <nocturnal_> i just installed ubuntu server on this old proliant server i found. is there a way to access it from my laptop but login with a gui?
[08:12] <nocturnal_> i know i can ssh into it but i wish i could use a gui for some things
[11:12] <arie_kiyoshi> assalamualaikum all
[11:26] <jamespage> smoser, I'd suggest an alternative approach to backporting mongodb
[11:26] <jamespage> its only a small delta to make it compat with what's already there
[11:29] <jamespage> smoser, backporting boost is something we really don't want todo
[12:28] <jamespage> smoser, this is the mongodb delta - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6524540/
[12:29] <jamespage> I think that is acceptable to carry
[12:29] <jamespage> I've started pushing delta branches to ~ubuntu-cloud-archive on launchpad so we can manage this easier
[12:29] <jamespage> zul, ^^
[12:29] <jamespage> can you both review and +1 that for upload
[12:29] <jamespage> thanks
[12:34] <zul> jamespage:  +1
[12:35] <jamespage> zul, btw I fixed openvswitch in trusty to work OK on 12.04
[12:35] <jamespage> zul, but the tests fail in the PPA
[12:35] <zul> jamespage:  i see
[13:40] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-troveclient/simplejson/+merge/197865
[13:42] <jamespage> zul, conditional approve
[13:43] <zul> jamespage:  just fixed
[13:50] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/glance/oslo.messaging-refresh/+merge/197870
[14:34] <zul> jamespage:  im going to fix this nova build and then get to icehouse-1, can you please +1 the glance merge for me please?
[14:34] <jamespage> zul: +1
[14:35] <zul> jamespage:  thanks
[14:48] <zul> jamespage:  that was easier than i thought: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/sphinx-build/+merge/197890
[14:53] <zul> jamespage:  im starting to do icehouse-1
[14:53] <jamespage> zul, ack
[14:53] <jamespage> zul, +1 on that merge above
[14:54] <zul> jamespage:  thanks
[15:00] <smoser> jamespage, that mongodb is great if we can keep it that minimal.
[15:00] <smoser> i uploaded libboost and -dev and dh-shystemd to cloud-tools but will drop them.
[15:00] <smoser> do you have a plan for handling this delta?
[15:01] <jamespage> yes
[15:02] <smoser> and you coul just drop the dh-systemd with no fallout ?
[15:02] <jamespage> smoser, yes
[15:04] <smoser> so for now can i / should i just upload your mongodb to cloud-tools also ?
[15:04] <jamespage> smoser, that should work yes
[15:04] <jamespage> I'm uploading to icehouse-staging as we speak
[15:04] <smoser> gracias
[15:04] <jamespage> so I may as well go get a coffee
[15:04] <jamespage> the branch is up-to-date
[15:04] <smoser> branch ?
[15:05] <jamespage> smoser, lp:~ubuntu-cloud-archive/ubuntu/precise/mongodb/precise-icehouse
[15:06] <jamespage> I propose that we manage delta using full packaging branches - which allows us to treat them like merges from debian
[15:06] <jamespage> zul, ^^ - that approach will stop us loosing delta
[15:06] <smoser> so i should od one of ubuntu/precise/mongodb/precise-cloudtools ?  you think ?
[15:07] <zul> +1 from me
[15:09] <jamespage> smoser, yes - I should think so
[15:14] <smoser> bah.
[15:14] <smoser> debuild -S on mongodb wants scons and boost-dev
[15:24] <gQuigs> what version of openvswitch should be used with the lts-saucy kernel on 12.04?
[15:28] <jamespage> gQuigs, you can either use the openvswitch from the havana cloud archive
[15:28] <jamespage> OR
[15:28] <jamespage> you can wait for the openvswitch-datapath-dkms-lts-saucy package to appear - but not just yet
[15:28] <jamespage> it will be 1.10 release
[15:32] <gQuigs> jamespage: thanks!
[15:33] <jamespage> gQuigs, the lts-saucy package is just the dkms module - we don't backport the userspace tooling
[15:33] <jamespage> you need to use the cloud-archive for that
[15:36] <gQuigs> jamespage: I didn't see a lts-saucy dkms driver, should I use raring?
[15:36] <jamespage> " you can wait for the openvswitch-datapath-dkms-lts-saucy package to appear - but not just yet"
[15:36] <gQuigs> (raring's dkms driver)
[15:36] <zul> jamespage:  just as a heads up i had to use OSLO_PACKAGE_VERSION in the nova debian/rules because we rename the tarball and then we are fighting python-pbr (for rc1)
[15:37] <zul> er...icehouse-1
[15:37] <jamespage> ok
[15:37] <zul> jamespage:  just doing a local build first
[15:40] <gQuigs> jamespage: oh are you saying that I shouldn't use the lts-saucy kernel with openvswitch until the dkms package appears?
[15:40] <jamespage> yes
[15:41] <gQuigs> jamespage: (for customer) trying to see if a bug is fixed in the 3.11 kernel..  any other way?
[15:42] <gQuigs> specifically just for testing...
[15:43] <jamespage> gQuigs, use the openvswitch from the havana cloud archive
[15:43] <jamespage> it does work with 3.11 kernel
[15:43] <jamespage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive
[15:43] <gQuigs> jamespage: oh, so no dkms driver is needed with that...
[15:44] <jamespage> gQuigs, that version includes the dkms driver - but the native kernel module does have GRE support in 3.11
[15:44] <gQuigs> jamespage: awesome, thanks!
[15:53] <zul> jamespage:  i love regressions
[16:00] <smoser> jamespage, i'm sure i'm being especially stupid
[16:00] <jamespage> smoser, ?
[16:00] <smoser> but i can't even get debuild -S to work for mongodb
[16:02] <jamespage> smoser, urgh - yeah
[16:02] <jamespage> scons winges
[16:02] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525386/
[16:02] <jamespage> smoser,  try bzr bd -S -- -nc
[16:02] <jamespage> -nc is not nice but works
[16:02] <jamespage> I'll fix that up in Debian (along with not being able to disable tests right now)
[16:04] <smoser> i guess 'bzr bd -S -- -nc' preceeded by 'rm -Rf * .pc && bzr revert' is probably pretty clean
[16:20] <jamespage> zul, do you need some help? there are quite a few things for icehouse1?
[16:20] <zul> jamespage:  nah im good
[16:20] <jamespage> zul, its not actually released yet is it?
[16:20] <zul> jamespage:  some of them are
[16:21] <zul> jamespage: nova neutron ceilometer glance keystone are
[16:21] <jamespage> zul, I'll plug away at CA deps then
[16:22] <jamespage> fyi python-webtest is uninstallable at the moment but that's at the bottom of the list
[16:22] <zul> jamespage:  cool thanks...how is openvswitch going?
[16:22] <zul> jamespage:  ack..
[16:22] <jamespage> zul, well the suggestion was that I try building it on a server with the hardy kernel used by the PPA's
[16:22] <jamespage> and I'd not wasting time doing that
[16:22] <zul> jamespage:  heh
[16:23] <jamespage> it can stay broke for the moment - 1.10.0 is enought for now
[16:23] <zul> ack
[16:23] <jamespage> zul, doing libvirt next - need to stick in a delta
[16:23] <zul> jamespage: yeah i have a debdiff if you want it
[16:23] <jamespage> zul, pastebinit
[16:23] <zul> jamespage:  gimme a sec
[16:24] <zul> jamespage:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525457/
[16:25] <zul> jamespage: nova icehouse-1 ready in a sec
[16:28] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/2014.1.b1/+merge/197919
[16:29] <jamespage> zul, OSLO_VERSION due to switch from .b1 to ~b1 right?
[16:30] <zul> jamespage:  yep we should be able to switch it when icehouse is actually out
[16:30] <jamespage> yeah
[16:32] <jamespage> zul, two minor comments
[16:34] <zul> jamespage:  pushed
[16:34] <zul> jamespage:  i mean corrected
[16:35] <jamespage> zul, fix the double space after OSLO_VERSION in the changelog and then +1
[16:35] <jamespage> I don't need to re-approve
[16:35] <zul> jamespage:  done
[16:43] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/2014.1.b1/+merge/197922
[16:49] <jamespage> zul, OK - python-webtest installability is block the builds for precise
[16:49] <jamespage> I'll try fix that up
[16:50] <jamespage> zul, nova is still failing to build in the lab for some reason
[16:50] <zul> yeah seems to be blocking python-pecan
[16:50] <zul> nova for precise or icehouse?
[16:51] <jamespage> zul, for trusty
[16:51] <zul> jamespage:  ok ill have a look
[16:51] <jamespage> the sphinx doc build borkes
[16:51] <zul> jamespage:  i think its pbr thats causing problems
[16:51] <zul> anyways ill have it look
[17:00] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/2014.1.b1/+merge/197927
[17:04] <jamespage> zul, +1
[17:07] <w0rmie> for a cluster configuration nfsbooted could not be located while installing it (ubuntu 13.10)
[17:07] <w0rmie> any ideas?
[17:13] <roaksoax> is there a way we can allow daemons to bind to non-root ports?
[17:14] <roaksoax> jamespage: thoughts?
[17:14] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[17:14] <jamespage> roaksoax, authbind
[17:14] <roaksoax> jamespage: so that's standard then?
[17:14] <jamespage> roaksoax, did you mean that the other way around?
[17:14] <roaksoax> jamespage: have you used it in any package?
[17:15] <jamespage> roaksoax, I think tomcat7 uses it
[17:15] <roaksoax> jamespage: nah, maas is using authbind now for cluster celery to bind to a port (it not being root), just trying to figure out the way to do it right
[17:15] <roaksoax> jamespage: k thanks!
[17:22] <w0rmie> for a cluster configuration nfsbooted could not be located while installing it (ubuntu 13.10)
[17:22] <w0rmie> any ideas?
[18:03]  * hazinhell read through the cgroup manager discussion http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.containers.lxc.devel/5272
[18:11] <zul> roaksoax:  ping
[18:13] <zul> roaksoax:  can you +1 this https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/glance/2014.1.b1/+merge/197941
[18:56] <rbasak> smoser: on bug 1257082, the Debian upstream bug is against ntp, not isc-dhcp. I'll change that, shall I?
[18:56] <rbasak> smoser: AFAICT, isc-dhcp is doing exactly the right thing.
[18:56] <smoser> sure. change it that sfine.
[18:56] <smoser> and, yeah, i agree.
[18:58] <genii> I think isc-dhcp is pretty much abandoned. The last changes in the dhclient-script for instance are 2005, plus the -n switch doesn't work and no one seems inclined to fix it.
[18:59] <rbasak> genii: perhaps it's just that it's working well enough that it doesn't need any significant attention? For your -n switch problem, is there a bug with a patch in it?
[18:59] <rbasak> genii: it's a pretty critical package so I'd be surprised if it's really abandoned.
[19:00] <rbasak> People ask me about some of my projects often. They're not abandoned; they're feature complete with no significant bugs!
[19:02] <genii> rbasak: Actually, the dhclient-script had numerous bugs in it, a colleague of mine went over it last week and fixed them in our local copy. That one was easier since just a shell script. We're working on looking at the dhclient binary now to see about fixing the -n issue and some others.
[19:03] <rbasak> genii: thank you for your work. Please send them to Debian!
[19:03] <genii> Hehe
[19:05] <Pryath> I'm using an Amazon AWSEC2 ubuntu server 13.10 64bit system. When upgrading I get this message "A new version of /boot/grub/menu.lst is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified. What would you like to do about menu.lst?"
[19:05] <Pryath> should I keep the local version or install the package mainter's version?
[19:13] <rbasak> Pryath: I believe accepting the package maintainer's version is fine. I think it's an issue that something on the system modified it (not you), and so it shouldn't need to prompt you. However, I'm not absolutely sure, so if your server is mission critical then you shouldn't proceed on my account.
[19:13] <rbasak> Pryath: and you had backups of everything available before you started the upgrade, right?
[19:15] <Pryath> rbasak: it's a new instance of amazon AWSec2
[19:16] <Pryath> so there's nothing to backup, thank you for the advice
[19:16] <Pryath> hrm I guess it didn't work anyways
[19:18] <Pryath> rbasak should I be worried about this? http://pastebin.com/S1rUCyHD
[19:18] <Pryath> Re-running the upgrade it appears there are no longer any updates to install
[19:31] <zul> roaksoax:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/2014.1.b1/+merge/197955
[19:46] <zul> jamespage:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/horizon/2014.1.b1/+merge/197957 one more after this
[19:53] <zul> roaksoax:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/horizon/2014.1.b1/+merge/197957 one more after this
[20:57] <Pryath> don't use ubuntu often; what do I do if mysql 5.7 asks me for root password at install? There is no root password but it's not letting me continue by leaving it blank
[21:11] <gdhagger> Pryath, give it some password for now, remove the password after install.  not ideal, but should work - unless they made root pw mandatory in mysql 5.7 itself
[21:12] <Pryath> this whole process has been a nightmare. I finally got it all working only to find ubuntu is still on 5.5
[21:12] <Pryath> which is not compatible with my tables (in certain ways)
[21:14] <Pryath> but when I do a manual install it's like impossible - there's so many things to reconfigure and so many obscure error messages
[23:01] <rann> hey all, just a heads up, not sure where to file, but we're seeing consistent kernel panics at boot on linux-image-3.2.0-57 (virtual machines on top of VMware ESXi 4.1). (re)booting with -56 works. A quick search on the bugtracker and google shows no known issues.
[23:10] <sarnold> rann: 'ubuntu-bug linux' ought to get you most of the way to the bug report
[23:18] <bogeyd6>  166335


[00:30] <emma> Hi there
[00:30] <emma> my friend is trying to install xubuntu on some old laptops. She says she has downloaded the pc intel x86 iso and burned it to a CD. When she puts the CD into the laptop the laptop is not booting the xubuntu live CD
[00:30] <emma> Jora: is that accurate?
[00:30] <Jora> Hello. I am trying to install xubuntu on a pentium 3 796 mhz 128 RAM desktop
[00:31] <Jora> yes
[00:31] <C00LARR01> did you change the boot order to put the cd first?
[00:31] <Jora> no
[00:31] <Jora> No idea how to do that
[00:31] <emma> Jora: is it not booting at all or is it booting but not booting the xubuntu?
[00:32] <Jora> It was just booting windows
[00:32] <emma> ahh well that's good.
[00:32] <Jora> I probably need to go into BIOS and change the boot order
[00:32] <emma> try changing the boot in your bios
[00:32] <emma> yes
[00:32] <Jora> That will be interesting never done that before but 1st time for everything
[00:32] <emma> at the start you can usually press one of the F buttons or something like that. usually it says if you look closely.
[00:33] <emma> that takes you to the bios. Then look around ni there for a way to change to boot CDROM
[01:11] <C00LARR01> i am wanting to buy a usb wifi adapter and looking to see if anyone has any good experiece with a certain make and model?
[01:22] <Techie__> C00LARR01, the D-link DSL-302g is great
[01:22] <C00LARR01> Techie__: ty i will look into it
[01:22] <Techie__> wait no, thats a modem
[01:23] <Techie__> stupid model numbers
[01:23] <C00LARR01> ah ok
[01:25] <Techie__> i dont think they sell the adaptor i had anymore
[01:25] <Techie__> but it looked very similar to the dlink AG132
[01:26] <Techie__> exact same casing, but im sure it was a different model number
[01:26] <C00LARR01> ok
[01:26] <C00LARR01> ill keep looking
[01:28] <C00LARR01> i just need a sub wifi adpater that will work with a 9.04 install so i can get rid of this 40ft cat5 cable
[01:29] <C00LARR01> nothing fancy with it...just need it to work
[02:36] <Techie__> C00LARR01, i know its been awhile but i thought id add that my old USB wifi card worked out of the box perfectly
[03:07] <Techie__> !asla
[03:07] <Techie__> !alsa
[04:22] <yast> hi anyone can give me a helping hand ?
[04:30] <psycho_oreos> !ask | yast
[04:39] <yast> lol
[04:39] <yast> k k
[04:39] <yast> its about the project xgl
[04:40] <yast> is it still up? why cant I find xgl in apt ?
[04:58] <StoneCold> !ops
[05:40] <holy> Does Xubuntu 9.10 have Wvdial dialer? Or it on;ly can offer "sudo pppconfig"?
[05:43] <holy> !wvdial
[07:04] <MrNaz_cic> holy network manager can do most of the things that wvdial can do
[07:05] <MrNaz_cic> are you sure that you need wvdial or are you just trying to do something that you used to to in previous version ?
[08:42] <drcode> hi all
[08:42] <drcode> how can I upgrade from xubuntu 8.04 to 9.10?
[08:42] <TheSheep> !upgrade | drcode
[08:55] <rgnr> hello all
[12:23] <amundsen> hi
[12:23] <amundsen> does anybody know how to turn off compiz in xubuntu ?
[12:34] <Sysi> this time magical 3 minutes was time when i was away :/
[13:17] <perimetric> Hey there
[13:18] <perimetric> I was hoping someone was away to possibally help me
[13:18] <perimetric> awake*
[14:01] <marten_> Silly question!
[14:02] <marten_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94075 Where is he reffering in the first reply? I cant seem to find it
[14:16] <jarnos> How do you report a bug about installation image?
[14:17] <jarnos> like Xubuntu 9.10 Alternate i386 CD
[14:17] <jarnos> ?
[14:48] <cichlasoma> does anybody know how to enable root login in xubuntu 9.04? in ubuntu, it's enought to edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom , in xubuntu it does not work. :-/
[15:05] <craigbass1976> I've put the verve command line on my top panel.  How do I get rid of it?
[15:07] <_Pete_> craigbass1976: right-mouse-click remove?
[15:07] <Sysi> it was critical about place for click
[15:08] <Sysi> only couple pixels area works
[15:08] <craigbass1976> _Pete_, no, Right click is asking for input.  Sysi: I just have to aim better?
[15:08] <craigbass1976> Sysi, got it
[15:08] <craigbass1976> criminy...
[16:39] <scott55> Good morning. How do I get my top toolbar back?
[16:40] <vinnl> scott55, good evening :) Do you still have the bottom one?
[16:41] <likemindead> Settings>Panels
[16:41] <likemindead> Add a Panel.
[16:43] <scott55> vinn1:  no I do not have a bottom one
[16:44] <scott55> :)
[16:46] <scott55> I have lost my top toolbar.
[16:46] <scott55> How do I get it back?
[16:47] <scott55> Actually, top and bottom--toolbarless as a matter of fact
[16:47] <vinnl> scott55, press Alt+F2, run xfce4-panel
[16:47] <scott55> thank you!!!!!
[16:47] <scott55> so much
[16:47] <scott55> :)
[16:47] <vinnl> Happens too much, unfortunately :)
[16:47] <vinnl> !xfce4-panel
[16:47] <scott55> no
[16:48] <scott55> and thank you for the tip
[16:48] <scott55> :)
[16:48] <scott55> I appreciate you all being here
[16:48] <likemindead> It's never actually happened to me. :-)
[16:49] <likemindead> I've used Xubuntu for close to two years.
[16:49] <vinnl> Be glad :)
[16:49] <likemindead> Is it in relation to specific harware?
[16:49] <scott55> I am very very glad
[16:49] <scott55> however
[16:49] <scott55> it is not working
[16:49] <scott55> "failed to run.."
[16:50] <vinnl> likemindead, not sure, if they knew the cause they would have fixed it, I suppose :P
[16:50] <scott55> hmmm
[16:51] <vinnl> scott55, did you type it correctly?
[16:51] <scott55> checking
[16:51] <vinnl> scott55, if you did, could you open Applications->Accessories->Terminal and run it there?
[16:51] <likemindead> Does it require sudo?
[16:51] <vinnl> No
[16:52] <vinnl> Anyway, I'm off, bye
[16:52] <scott55> yeah not working...."failed to run
[16:53] <scott55> thank you for your help vinn1
[16:53] <vinnl> scott55, and what do you see in a terminal?
[16:53] <vinnl> (I'll stick around for a bit to see if I can help you with this :P)
[16:53] <_Pete_> likemindead: 1p tip: sudo is only and only needed to change something system wide
[16:54] <scott55> yahooooo
[16:54] <scott55> back
[16:54] <scott55> no "run" in the terminal....
[16:54] <scott55> ok
[16:54] <scott55> you are all going to linux heaven and your sins have been absolved by......me
[16:54] <_Pete_> and to do that you should either: to know what you are doing or be sure what you are doing
[16:54] <scott55> for what it's worth
[16:56] <scott55> ok........thanks to all..and to all a good morning
[16:56] <_Pete_> evening here
[16:56] <scott55> _Pete_:  well...good evening to you....
[16:57] <_Pete_> thx
[16:57] <_Pete_> what timezone you live?
[16:57] <scott55> edt:  east coast n. america
[16:58] <_Pete_> right
[16:58] <scott55> and what timezone you live?
[16:58] <_Pete_> I am up here north, Finland which is EET
[16:58] <scott55> :)
[16:58] <_Pete_> = gmt+2
[16:58] <scott55> yes
[16:59] <Sysi> finland!
[16:59] <_Pete_> yes
[16:59] <_Pete_> the place no-one knows
[17:00] <Sysi> is there some particular reason that you aren't on any -fi channels?
[17:00] <_Pete_> no?
[17:01] <_Pete_> but yes
[17:02] <_Pete_> because there happen to be stupid people who tries to be smart
[17:02] <scott55> this is the second time I lost my toolbar
[17:02] <_Pete_> so they can be smart there
[17:02] <Sysi> _Pete_: well, i'm here too :D
[17:02] <_Pete_> yes but this is no -fi
[17:02] <_Pete_> and you are not trying to be smart
[17:03] <_Pete_> only wise
[17:03] <_Pete_> which is good
[17:04] <JamRock> guys, have tried U 8.1 to 9.1 - got wireless to the point where i can see the network but its asking for a userid & passwd but all i have is a passphrase - Help
[17:05] <scott55> well again....thank you for being here..........have a great evening, afternoon, or evening
[18:29] <troglobyte> does xubuntu use the ubuntuone-client-gnome? Is there not a xfce specific clent?
[18:29] <Sysi> i think so
[18:31] <troglobyte> yup.  thanks.
[18:33] <sbap> hey guys!  looking for an upgrade method from Xubuntu 8.04 to 9.1.  Have found much googling.  Anyone have a link I can follow or commands?
[18:55] <petriel> hi! my xfce4-mixer master volume after restarting the computer is always on 0% and mute. how can i set an another value?
[19:22] <likemindead> I'll second petriel's question. :-)
[19:23] <Sysi> i use hibernate usuallu..
[20:34] <Kangarooo> how to get dropbox on xubuntu? from www.dropbox.com installation wants to install nautilus and put dropbox in nautilus. how to make it work on xubuntu thunar?
[20:47] <Besogon> Kangarooo, Did you look through the Dropbox web site? http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall
[22:39] <owen1> i use 2 monitores and i only see the panels in one of them. any ideas?
[22:39] <owen1> xfce4-panel
[22:42] <troglobyte> You have to add additional panels.
[22:42] <troglobyte> + to add a panel and select monitor 2 as destination
[22:43] <troglobyte> at least on mine.  Nvidia driver set up with twinview
[23:03] <owen1> troglobyte: i use nvidia as well, but i set it to have X for each monitor
[23:14] <troglobyte> owen1: and your "Customize Panel..." dialog box has no second monitor option?
[23:21] <owen1> troglobyte: yeah, i think i got it. thank you
[23:22] <troglobyte> owen1: glad I could help.  It's usually the other way around :)
[23:23] <owen1> you are my daily hero
[23:24] <troglobyte> ha!
[23:29] <owen1> bdw, can u drag a window from one screen to another? i think i can't since i don't use twinview.
[23:31] <troglobyte> I've never used the dual X option. twinview always does what I need.
[23:32] <owen1> so u have one long panel that spread across the two monitores?
[23:34] <troglobyte> nope.  I can add panels to the second monitor.  but they're off by default.
[23:43] <owen1> so what is twinview? maybe that's what i use?
[23:43] <owen1> i see two instances of whatever window manager i use.
[23:43] <owen1> as if i have two seperate machines.