[00:26] <Daekdroom> You know there's something terrible going on when the crash notifying application notifies itself crashed.
[00:27] <penguin42> haha yes
[00:28]  * penguin42 worries that someone has just tagged my bugreport that I added a patch to with the patch tag even though the patch and the description both have BIG hairy warnings in
[00:40] <h00k> Daekdroom: I had a lot of things crashing the other day until I installed python-gobject
[01:02] <yofel> penguin42: which bug?
[01:02] <penguin42> yofel: bug 605686
[01:03] <penguin42> yofel: I mean it's correct it does have a patch on, and it works - but it does need someone who has a clue about the code they're working with - it sounded a promising idea and seems to work, but heck modern interrupt handling is black magic
[01:04] <yofel> penguin42: oh that, that's brians 'search for patches in ubuntu bugs' script that automatically ads the patch tag and subscibes either the reviewers team or in this case jFo
[01:04] <penguin42> ah ok
[01:04] <penguin42> it should obvious to anyone who reviews it :-)
[01:05] <yofel> don't worry, JFo will know what to do with it
[01:21] <penguin42> yofel: So I'm trying to remember the story from yesterdays classrom stuff - what happens if a bug is fixed in a version is in debian but we're passed the date when we pull stuff from debian?
[01:22] <yofel> if we're not at final freeze yet you could file a sync/merge request
[01:24] <penguin42> yofel - see bug 604087
[01:26] <penguin42> hmm, and disk read performance is a LOT better on maverick in kvm
[01:38] <penguin42> hmm, time for bed
[03:58] <rsouthard> Hello all. Probably a common question...In A2 how do i get my install to default to KDE instead of the netbook remix interface?
[04:00] <holstein> you can choose at login
[04:00] <holstein> what WM you want to use
[04:00] <holstein> you need to install KDE though
[04:01]  * holstein doesnt know what A2 is
[04:01] <holstein> you might want to try #ubuntu-mobile
[04:01] <rsouthard> i am using KDE. A2=alpha2
[04:01] <holstein> AH
[04:02] <holstein> yeah, im not sure then
[04:02] <holstein> i had NBR going
[04:02] <rsouthard> but ubuntu is also doing the same thing on another box. seems like they made the default UI the netbook interface. Not sure why, but it looks like hell on a large display.
[04:02] <holstein> and i installed other WM's
[04:02] <holstein> and just chose at loing
[04:02] <holstein> login*
[04:02] <James147> rsouthard: then its not at the location i suggested?
[04:03] <James147> holstein: its not a window manager, its the desktop display,
[04:03] <rsouthard> i can choose at login but when i choose gnome or kde it still defaults to the netbook ui
[04:04] <rsouthard> probably some setting somewhere. checked out several files in /etc/ with grep and nothing matched a rather broad regex.
[04:04] <holstein> whatever you kids are calling them these days ;)
[04:04] <James147> rsouthard: look at "system settings > Workspace"
[04:04] <rsouthard> i will check it
[04:05] <James147> not on maverick... yet ;) but I am on kde 4.5 and have a (greyed out option as i dont ahve the netbook interface installed) to change workspace type there
[04:06] <rsouthard> Sweet. That was it. Thx James:147. Much appreciated.
[04:06] <rsouthard> didnt know that option was there. must be new to 4.9.x
[04:06] <rsouthard> * 4.4.8.x
[04:08] <James147> rsouthard: its new... i mean moved in 4.5 at some point... before RC1 i think.... but it was there in 4.4.x, just in a wieard place
[04:09] <James147> and not usable unless you had plasma-netbook and plasma-desktop install which was almost noone
[05:39] <DanaG> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-uefi-support
[05:39] <DanaG> interesting... my EFI breaks quite horribly if I use grub-efi-amd64 to boot a 32-bit kernel.
[05:59] <dupondje> nouveau / Xorg broken ?
[06:23] <DanaG> Once the UEFI images come out, I'll reinstall my Maverick partition to 64-bit.
[12:29] <DrHalan> anyone else sometimes is not able to leftklick?
[12:29]  * penguin42 hasn't had any leftclick problems
[15:04] <penguin42> Is it just me or is sound muted/low each time I login?
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> yep
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> I have no sound on boot
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> its been like that's almost all cycl
[15:06] <penguin42> BUGabundo_remote: And it's just a matter of unmuting it and turning it up and it seems happy?
[15:06] <zakscott> me too
[15:06] <BUGabundo_remote> crimsun_ said he was going to workon that
[15:06] <BUGabundo_remote> but I haven't seen much of him around, so I assume work busy
[15:06] <BUGabundo_remote> penguin42: yes
[15:06] <Daekdroom> penguin42, that's a papercut bug still
[15:06] <penguin42> is there a bugid?
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> I never file audio bugs, unless told so
[15:07] <Daekdroom> Why not? O.o
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> most of them are very HW specific
[15:07] <penguin42> BUGabundo_remote: This feels more generic I guess
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> and if crimsun_ is not around, its no use to file them
[15:07] <BUGabundo_remote> penguin42: if it does affect a larger number of users, yes
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I hadn't that perception
[15:08] <penguin42> the flickering pointer/metacity problem is more of an issue for me
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> no idea what that is
[15:08] <Daekdroom> I haven't had any problems with metacity.
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I just have GTK bug
[15:08] <Daekdroom> Compiz, on the other hand, keeps crashing.
[15:08] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I get a flickering cursor
[15:09] <BUGabundo_remote> where it makes *everyrthing* painfully SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[15:09] <BUGabundo_remote> had to give up on FreeNX, cause it was unusable
[15:09] <penguin42> Daekdroom: And in .xsession-errors Window manager warning: Got a request to focus 0x2401051 (dg@major: ) with a timestamp of 0.  This shouldn't happen!
[15:09] <BUGabundo_remote> compiz is fine for me
[15:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo_remote: Do you have any droppings in .xsession-errors?
[15:09] <Daekdroom> I have a RAM usage problem that I still have to report.
[15:09] <Daekdroom> xD
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> my xsessions seems pretty clear
[15:10] <Daekdroom> As a matter of fact, I'll look for it in Launchpad.
[15:11] <penguin42> anyone managed to get f-spot to import ?
[15:12] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, you should report audio bugs, most regular users don't know how to do it properly
[15:12] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: LOL
[15:12] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: search for "open" audio bugs I have filed
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> and you will get why I stop doing it, without being asked by an audio team member
[15:13] <Daekdroom> I once filed a pulseaudio bug that lasted through two versions.
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> pff
[15:13] <Daekdroom> It got "magically" fixed. The bug I think it's still open xD
[15:13] <penguin42> is that all?
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> I have bugs open from 2006
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> EOL
[15:14] <BUGabundo_remote> heck, I filed a dupe of an OOo bug from 2003
[15:14] <Daekdroom> So, I found bug 569273
[15:14] <Daekdroom> too bad I have no clue if my memory leak is caused by power manager.
[15:15] <penguin42> Daekdroom: What symptoms are you seeing?
[15:15] <BUGabundo_remote> !valgrind Daekdroom
[15:15] <BUGabundo_remote> !valgrind | Daekdroom
[15:15] <Daekdroom> Sometimes after boot, I'll see RAM usage as high as 700MB without any program open..
[15:15] <Daekdroom> When it's usually down to 200-ish
[15:15] <Daekdroom> Killing X doesn't solve it.
[15:16] <Daekdroom> I'm trying to spot a pattern so I can file a bug.
[15:16] <joaopinto> Daekdroom, you can see the memory usage on processes, unless it's a driver leak you can identify the leaking app
[15:16] <Daekdroom> joaopinto, and if I can't see anything using too much memory, should I assume it's the kernel?
[15:17] <yofel> grr, kvm hates me
[15:17] <zakscott> ubottu, botsnack
[15:17] <penguin42> hmm I've seen another bug like that, but I'll need to find it
[15:17] <yofel> it has that mouse pointer integration turned on here, just that it doesn't work out of the box, I have to let it catch and release the mouse focus like a dozen times until I can use the mouse in the VM
[15:18] <penguin42> yofel: Not seen that, although I've found removing the vmware mouse driver can help
[15:18] <yofel> hm, don't have vmware installed, only virtualbox
[15:19] <yofel> maybe even that's too much
[15:19] <zakscott> why dont i have permission to see bug 602091?
[15:19] <zakscott> ah
[15:20] <penguin42> Daekdroom: You might want to look at bug 598849
[15:22] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Although, to me I feel that what's really happening here is that ureadahead or something else is happening on 1st boot and getting a lot of memory cached, not sure if it's actually in use
[15:26] <yofel> zakscott: now you can see bug 602091
[15:27] <yofel> penguin42: here it is in use, but I also suspect ureadahead (in use as: drop_caches doesn't have any effect, memory stays used)
[15:27] <yofel> Daekdroom: ^
[15:28] <zakscott> thanks yofel
[15:28] <yofel> and for me it gets up to like 900MiB on x86 and ~1.3GiB on x86_64
[15:28] <penguin42> yofel: An interesting thing to try would be to write something that actually tried to use lots of memory (not jus tmalloc it) and see if it pushed it out
[15:29] <Daekdroom> I confirmed it but won't post anything on the bug given how I haven't spotted a dpkg pattern.
[15:29] <yofel> well, maybe we should just go ahead and reassign that to ureadahead, but I'm not sure there, every time I get it I have an unusual long fsck run in my bootchart too
[15:30] <Daekdroom> hold on hold on!
[15:30] <Daekdroom> I have to check something..
[15:30] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh it's either kernel or something 1st boot related, I doubt it's actually dpkg
[15:30] <yofel> maybe plymouth hogs memory due to fsck messages?
[15:31] <yofel> no idea
[15:31] <penguin42> yofel: You should be able to see that in a ps though
[15:31] <Daekdroom> Going to check if it's related to booting after using NTFS through Windows 7 xD
[15:31] <zakscott> i just removed bootchart entirely
[15:31] <yofel> no ntfs here..
[15:32] <yofel> well, it can't be bootchart, or it would happen every time, not just once
[15:35] <penguin42> yofel: Well, if the boot takes longer for some reason....
[15:36] <yofel> yeah, but 6-800 MiB difference is too much for bootchart.. unless it has some heavy leak
[15:38] <zakscott> hmm im getting OoM error on boot also
[15:38] <zakscott> "[    2.844791] Out of memory: kill process 309 (plymouthd) score 39 or a child"
[15:39] <zakscott> "[    2.848100] ureadahead invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=0, oom_adj=0"
[15:40] <zakscott> "[    2.872798] Out of memory: kill process 308 (ureadahead) score 37 or a child"
[15:45] <penguin42> I wonder if you're all seeing this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/501715
[15:45] <zakscott> right before the plymouthd oom it says i have 0 swap space
[15:46] <Daekdroom> Given how I have no clue what ureadahead is..
[15:46] <Daekdroom> Anyway, I doubt it's dpkg.
[15:46] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I think the idea is to record the files normally used during boot, so that on future boots it can bring all those files back in right at the beginning
[15:46] <Daekdroom> It struck me in 4 ubuntu boots in a row.
[15:47] <Daekdroom> 2 were following a windows 7 reboot, 2 were following a ubuntu reboot.
[15:47] <penguin42> Daekdroom: But to do that it means on boots after an update it has to do a profile to see what needs to be loaded
[15:50] <yofel> penguin42: seems to be that bug
[15:51] <ripps> should I let pm-utils remove pm-utils-powersave-policy?
[15:51] <Daekdroom> I let it do it. I think pm-utils-powersave-policy needs a rebuild
[15:51]  * yofel goes patching maverick ureadahead
[16:00]  * BUGabundo_remote piggy backs on yofel
[16:01] <yofel> ^^
[16:03] <Daekdroom> I wonder when they're going to give the sound indicator proper Last/Pause/Next buttons :|
[16:10] <ZykoticK9> Daekdroom, mine has the new button?
[16:11] <Daekdroom> ZykoticK9, so does mine, but it's awfully done.
[16:11] <Daekdroom> C'mon, it doesn't even have a Play button if you pause the song :|
[16:11] <Daekdroom> It's just a static image.
[16:11] <ZykoticK9> Daekdroom, i'm not talking about the > buttons there where there origionally - they are proper buttons now
[16:12] <Daekdroom> ZykoticK9, uh.. are they?
[16:12] <Daekdroom> Let me find a screenshot of how they look in here.
[16:13] <ZykoticK9> Daekdroom, i'm in my 10.04 install right now so can't screenshot for you unless i reboot - but I'll see if yours are the same if you can post quickly - i'm leaving in a very little while
[16:14] <Daekdroom> ZykoticK9, I don't even need to post a screenshot of my own, I found it
[16:14] <Daekdroom> ZykoticK9, http://andregondim.eti.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sommavericknovo1.png
[16:14] <ZykoticK9> Daekdroom, oh sorry - ya that's what my button look like as well
[16:14] <zakscott> wait, you guys have a sound applet? :(
[16:14] <Daekdroom> zakscott, ubuntu default's?
[16:14] <Daekdroom> *ubuntu's default
[16:15] <zakscott> never had it, and its not under "add to panel"
[16:15] <Daekdroom> zakscott, it's part of indicator applet
[16:15] <ZykoticK9> zakscott, that's the new volume control in 10.10
[16:16] <penguin42> ZykoticK9: New in 10.10? I still have something that looks the same as 10.04
[16:16] <zakscott> ahh gotcha, i actually removed that before.. my mistake
[16:16] <Daekdroom> penguin42, open rhythmbox and play a song
[16:16] <penguin42> ah, I don't use rhythmbox
[16:16] <ZykoticK9> penguin42, mine looks like the screenshot Daekdroom posted
[16:16] <Daekdroom> Banshee doesn't integrate with it.
[16:16] <zakscott> same
[16:16] <Daekdroom> Exaile? Lol, not even with indicator applet
[16:16] <zakscott> what music player do you use penguin42?
[16:18] <Daekdroom> ZykoticK9, anyway, I'd find it awesome if it used the same buttons Rhythmbox do, so it could blend well with any theme.
[16:19] <penguin42> zakscott: Exaile
[16:20] <zakscott> good find, ill have to try it out later
[16:20] <Daekdroom> It looks a lot like Amarok
[16:21]  * Daekdroom didn't like Exaile
[16:21] <penguin42> Daekdroom: It's a bit basic
[16:22] <Daekdroom> Exactly.
[16:22] <penguin42> Daekdroom: It does work though and it's quite hackable which is nice
[16:23] <yofel> ok, ureadahead patched, built, installed, all updates installed -> me goes rebooting...
[16:27] <dholbach> Last day of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 34 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:27] <Daekdroom> libdns64 became deprecated, I guess that means I should remove it
[16:40] <yofel> yay, ureadahead patch seems to work :D
[16:44] <yofel> if someone else wants to try it: https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/test-ppa/+sourcepub/1238189/+listing-archive-extra
[16:44] <penguin42> yofel: They're using a pretty evil trick - IMHO that tracing mechanism was intended for debugging where the person doing it might sanely choose a buffer size and know they are using some ram while they do the debug or performance analysis
[17:43] <yoasif> i can't seem to find the maverick daily alternate install cd
[17:44] <yoasif> it isnt here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[17:44] <yoasif> any ideas?
[17:44] <charlie-tca> There are no images today
[17:44] <catweazle> wait some days, to many bugs yet
[17:44] <charlie-tca> We have hope they may be back tomorrow
[17:45] <yoasif> how can i just get the latest one that is available?
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Try the daily-live/current
[17:45] <charlie-tca> It is from the 14th
[17:45] <jussi__> is there a kde/text equivalent of update-manager-core? Installing half of gnome isnt really what I want to do...
[17:46] <yoasif> actually i can just use the alpha
[17:46] <yoasif> (want to try out btrfs)
[17:47] <penguin42> jussi_: Yeh if you look on the maverick-alpha-2 thing it tells you how to do a server update
[18:04] <BUGabundo_remote> bbl
[18:04] <gnomefreak> anyone else notice nvidia isnt working with 2.6.35-7-generic #12?
[18:07] <yofel> gnomefreak: it was working fine here, what about -8 ?
[18:08] <dupondje> problems ? :)
[18:08] <gnomefreak> yofel: not sure yet. updateing kernel now
[18:09] <gnomefreak> s/updateing/updating
[18:11] <dupondje> what was the bug exactly gnomefreak  ?
[18:11] <dupondje> cause I'm having issues also atm
[18:11] <gnomefreak> dupondje: ? nvidia doesnt work (non-free drivers)
[18:11] <gnomefreak> not sure what more info i can give that would explain it anymore
[18:12] <dupondje> error ?
[18:12] <dupondje> cause nouveau here is also broken ...
[18:12] <gnomefreak> dupondje: no error doesnt run. nouveau works here (im using it now)
[18:13] <dupondje> weird :)
[18:13] <gnomefreak> i cant get a TTY so i had no choice. i prefer TTY to low graphics
[18:13] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/606244 => this is what I have
[18:13] <gnomefreak> maybe -8 will fix the issues
[18:14] <dupondje> running -8 here
[18:15] <dupondje> even ps aux seem to lock here now :s
[18:15] <dupondje> can't even reboot
[18:15] <gnomefreak> dupondje: you cant get a terminal?
[18:15] <dupondje> I can, but reboot doesn't reboot :s its locked
[18:16] <gnomefreak> hint sudo reboot will reboot your system
[18:16] <gnomefreak> ah
[18:16] <gnomefreak> push the little botton on the tower?
[18:16] <dupondje> well yea have to :(
[18:17] <gnomefreak> s/botton/button  my typing sucks badly today
[18:17]  * gnomefreak prtty much been gone for 3ish weeks well 2 or 3
[18:18] <zakscott> how was your vacation?
[18:20] <dupondje> ok back in track :)
[18:20] <gnomefreak> dupondje: reboot fixed you?
[18:21] <gnomefreak> well fixed your system at least
[18:21] <dupondje> rm /var/lib/ureadahead/pack
[18:21] <dupondje> sudo reboot
[18:21] <dupondje> :)
[18:22] <gnomefreak> ah
[18:22] <Daekdroom> sudo reboot is a command? O.o
[18:22]  * Daekdroom has always used sudo shutdown -r now
[18:22] <gnomefreak> sudo reboot is a command
[18:22] <gnomefreak> one shuts sytem down the other reboots system ;)
[18:23] <Daekdroom> shutdown -r now reboots.
[18:23]  * gnomefreak be back need a smoke
[18:23] <gnomefreak> oh
[18:23] <zakscott> sudo reboot now works too
[18:24] <dupondje> gnomefreak: also have plymouthd crash ?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Actually, shutdown -P does a full shutdown, shutdown -r does a reboot
[18:24] <Daekdroom> dupondje, do you also have high memory usage problems involving ureadahead
[18:24] <Daekdroom> ?
[18:32] <gnomefreak> dupondje: none of my splashes work and yes plymouth is crashing see bug 598035 for plymouth and bug 551746 for gnome-splash
[18:33] <gnomefreak> LP is slow :(
[18:33] <dupondje> gnomefreak: my plymoutd crashes here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/606393
[18:33] <dupondje> :)
[18:34] <gnomefreak> no i dont get that
[18:35]  * gnomefreak needs to add a boot option but i dont recall how to do that. anyone help :/
[18:36] <dupondje> vi /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[18:39] <gnomefreak> dupondje: will see if i can
[18:40] <gnomefreak> dupondje: im not seeing a place for it.
[18:41] <yofel> gnomefreak: edit /etc/default/grub ?
[18:42] <yofel> or just add it at boot time?
[18:45] <gnomefreak> yofel: i guess i can add 'plymouth:debug=file:/var/log/plymouth-debug.log'  anywhere? problem i dont see anything about plymouth in the file
[18:46] <yofel> depends where you need  to add that, if plymouth reads that from the kernel command line then add it to quiet splash
[18:47] <gnomefreak> yofel: see steve's last comment on bug 598035 he doesnt say anything other than add it to boot options
[18:48] <yofel> I would say add it to the kernel command line
[18:49] <gnomefreak> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"?
[18:49] <yofel> yes
[18:49] <penguin42> Anyone seen any suggestions on the thing about having to remove the grub graphics parameters?
[18:50] <gnomefreak> separate it using , or just add another "....."
[18:51] <yofel> "quiet splash plymouth:debug..."
[18:52] <gnomefreak> yofel: ok thanks i will add it
[18:58] <gnomefreak> be back these updates are going to take forever and its like watching paint dry
[19:16] <geser> penguin42: what do you mean with "grub graphics parameter"?
[19:35] <penguin42> geser: I need to remove the   load_video   and set gfxpayload=keep
[19:37] <geser> penguin42: isn't setting gfxpayload=text enough in your case? for that 'echo "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" >> /etc/grub/default' is enough to disable
[19:38] <penguin42> geser: Yes it probably is
[19:39] <geser> if you regenerate the grub config afterwards (update-grub) you should have "set gfxpayload=text" in your grub config
[19:39] <geser> did you file a bug that gfxpayload=keep doesn't work for you
[19:41] <penguin42> geser: No, I thought it was a known - I certainly saw a comment somewhere about it
[19:42] <geser> penguin42: ATI graphic card?
[19:42] <penguin42> yeh, it's probably bug 605614
[19:42] <geser> yep
[19:48] <gnomefreak> well nvidia works now but still no luck with plymouth log
[21:26] <Cyberkilla> Cookies
[21:29] <Cyberkilla> So... RGBA Window Decorations... Will GNOME/Ubuntu ever get them? KDE, OS X, and Windows 7 have lovely smooth window edges. It would be nice if Mutter (dubbed Metacity 3) was planning to implement it. I don't think that it's "feature creep". It seems like a fundamental to a modern desktop experience now, especially considering that the default GNOME theme, Clearlooks, and Ubuntu's default, feature rounded corners.
[21:33] <Cyberkilla> I've been hearing about the client-side decorations, and how they're a terrible thing. I'm not specifically referring to that at all, however. I'm talking about a proper window decorator that knows that an alpha channel is :-P
[22:29] <dupondje> damn I love quad core to build kernels :)
[22:30] <penguin42> dupondje: Yeh they're nice :-)) Now if only there were about 50 zillion less modules
[22:34]  * penguin42 gently wonders how to push an xfwm patch I submitted nearly a year ago
[22:41] <penguin42> does anyone else see 'You have old & broken userspace please consider updating mesa"
[22:42] <dupondje> where do you see that ?
[22:42] <Daekdroom> penguin42, I read in #radeon earlier today that it should be ignored and that it's leftovers from old code.
[22:42] <penguin42> dupondje: dmesg
[22:42] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Ah ok
[22:43] <penguin42> (not that my 3d is happy, but it's the 1st time I've run without edgers for a while - so it might be normal)
[22:43] <Daekdroom> No edgers? Blasphemy :O
[22:43] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh, I thought I should try maverick without it first
[22:44] <Daekdroom> I did, but back then it still had 7.8.1 Mesa :|
[22:44] <Volkodav> dupondje: your 3rd and 4th most likely are idling most of the time since software is always playing catch up with hardware
[22:44] <Daekdroom> I can't live with that.
[22:45] <dupondje> Volkodav: well gcc is quite good @ 4 threads :)
[22:45] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I've got a couple of bugs though at the moment; the 1st is a constant stream of errors in metacity logs about focus and timestamps; but I've tried doing xfwm --replace and X is still getting battered at 50% cpu for no apparent reason
[22:46] <penguin42> dupondje: I normally give it a few more than 4 on a quad core; I've got DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=10 in my .bashrc
[22:46] <dupondje> mm :) should try
[22:46] <dupondje> anyway its build now
[22:46] <Volkodav> dupondje: half the time it does not know when to kick the other 2 - that's for sure
[22:48] <penguin42> dupondje: Just make sure you have plenty of ram and /tmp
[22:48] <Volkodav> dupondje: multithreading facility should be programmed to be able to use the four cores at a time
[22:48] <Volkodav> Very few software products can do that currently
[22:49] <Volkodav> gcc included
[22:49] <penguin42> Volkodav: make -j  manages very nicely :-))
[22:49] <dupondje> brb :)
[22:50] <Volkodav> penguin42: Did you trace the cores usage ?
[22:51] <penguin42> Volkodav: Just letting top show my % free on each one
[22:51] <virtuald> what's the status of btrfs in maverick?
[22:51] <penguin42> Volkodav: make -j on a large package can easily use 4 cores most of the time
[22:51] <Volkodav> virtuald: +1
[22:52] <virtuald> aha, deferred
[22:52] <Volkodav> penguin42: when that happens and ....say your first 2 CPU's get to 20-30% usage what are the other 2 doing ?
[22:53] <penguin42> Volkodav: It's unusual for that to happen; it would be more normal to find all 4 doing 10-15% - I'm talking about getting all 4 to 100%
[22:54] <penguin42> (of course it depends how long how you're averaging over)
[22:54] <Volkodav> I find that hard to believe penguin42
[22:54] <penguin42> Volkodav: Have you got a quad core to try it on?
[22:54] <Volkodav> yes I do
[22:55] <yofel> I do think that 4 seperate gcc processes should each use a core full time, well, nearly
[22:55] <penguin42> Volkodav: OK, grab yourself a big package to build, say a kernel - and set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=8   and build the package
[22:55] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh
[22:55] <Volkodav> and the usage is core 1 - 60-70 5 core 2 -50-60  core 3 -20-15 core 4 - 10-5
[22:56] <Daekdroom> I have a dual core and I never have more than 2 threads on a multithread program because it makes everything irresponsive xD
[22:56] <Volkodav> define big penguin42
[22:56] <penguin42> yofel: And that's actually why I run with more than 4, you end up with some processes waiting for disk etc - so give the OS 8 processes to schedule and it might be able to keep 4 cores busy
[22:56] <penguin42> Volkodav: Kernel will do
[22:56] <yofel> well, depends on how mch memory gcc needs and on the cache/memory speeds too...
[22:56] <Volkodav> yofel hi long time no see
[22:57] <yofel> hey
[22:57] <Volkodav> how's that test on SSD ? TRIM works on mine I found out
[22:57] <Volkodav> Daekdroom: that provesmy point
[22:58] <penguin42> Volkodav: I've got a standard git copy of the kernel source; did make defconfig  and then just done  make -j 10 at the top - I'm seeing less than 1% idle on all the cores
[22:58] <Daekdroom> Volkodav, as a matter of fact, it doesn't.
[22:58] <yofel> well, it works on mine too, well somehow. Hdparm says that the first few sectors are kept with data, but all other sectors do end up with zeroes
[22:58] <Volkodav> what version of hdparm yofel ?
[22:59] <penguin42> Volkodav: I've got 8GB of RAM that helps mind you, so it's managing a make -j 10 without swapping
[22:59] <penguin42> and there we are - built
[22:59] <Volkodav> And some SSD's need 4-6 hours idling before the TRIM kicks in
[22:59] <yofel> Volkodav: well, whatever we have in maverick, I didn't check this for over 2 weeks now though
[22:59] <Volkodav> penguin42: most people got rid of swap these days
[23:00] <penguin42> Volkodav: Yeh but I'm still one of the weird guys who reckons swap lets you lose the RAM better
[23:00] <Volkodav> on modern hardware anyway
[23:00] <yofel> what I noticed when compiling though, is that sometimes the CPU will be at 100%, but not at full speed, I guess it doesn't get the data from memory fast enough
[23:00] <penguin42> yofel: What do you mean by full speed?
[23:01] <Volkodav> what is your memory yofel ?
[23:01] <Daekdroom> yofel, powermanagement still clocks it down?
[23:01] <yofel> and I am one of the rare persons that has no problem to fill up 6GiB RAM and needs swap :P
[23:01] <yofel> Daekdroom: could be, didn't worry about it much
[23:02] <penguin42> yofel: If it's waiting for RAM it'll show as the CPU being busy, I don't think it will clock down for that - it'll only be clocking down if it'seither too hot or if the kernel doesn't have enough to schedule
[23:02] <yofel> hm, well, it did it for *some* reason, it wasn't too hot though
[23:03] <penguin42> yofel: Then it's waiting for {disk, swap, something}
[23:03] <penguin42> or you just aren't trying hard enough to keep it busy :-)
[23:03] <yofel> it wasn't disk, that's for sure
[23:04] <Volkodav> yofel - what is your swapiness set to ?
[23:04] <penguin42> 1m48s for a make bzImage (with -j 10)
[23:04] <penguin42> (and that's with X eating 50% of one cpu for no good reason)
[23:05] <Volkodav> cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[23:05] <yofel> Volkodav: on my SSD system 0, others 60
[23:05] <yofel> I don't really get what effect that has so I don't change it
[23:06] <Volkodav> same here on SSD and I bit into 1 mb from 4 gig over a week of pretty heavy usage
[23:06] <Volkodav> it does make a difference on my box at least
[23:23] <Sephorah> Hey there
[23:23] <Sephorah> I've just download the alpha 2 live dvd but I got troubles when trying to install it on my computer. The partitioner just allow me to install it on my usb device (used for the boot) and not on my hard disk
[23:25] <penguin42> Sephorah: Odd, how is the hard drive connected - normal SATA?
[23:26] <Sephorah> Yup
[23:26] <penguin42> Sephorah: Can you get the output of dmesg somewhere we can see it - e.g. a pastebin and possibly the contents of /proc/partitions?
[23:27] <Sephorah> When I choose "Default" after the boot, I got a console with initramfs so I have to choose "Install" from the menu but the problem I just told occurs
[23:27] <Sephorah> I'm currently using Windows
[23:27] <Sephorah> I used a 16GB usb key and Unetbootin
[23:28] <penguin42> ah, I've only ever done it off a CD - if it's dropping you to the initramfs on the install image then there is something wrong with that install image
[23:29] <penguin42> hmm actually
[23:29] <Sephorah> Do you know any other way to boot the maverick-dvd-i386.iso on my usb key under windows?
[23:29] <Volkodav> yes
[23:30] <Volkodav> how is your usb formatted ?
[23:30] <Sephorah> FAT32
[23:31] <Volkodav> do the full install on it with linux fs ext3 or 4
[23:31] <Volkodav> and it will work
[23:32] <Sephorah> I'm gonna try the CD image before
[23:32] <Volkodav> makes sense too
[23:32] <Sephorah> because it's less than 4GB
[23:32] <Sephorah> and I heard that 4GB+ images can cause trouble
[23:32] <Volkodav> true
[23:32] <Andre_Gondim> after a reboot my gnome is freezing after login screen
[23:32] <Volkodav> make sure you get the flag bootable though
[23:33] <Volkodav> if doing FAT32
[23:33] <Sephorah> Unetbooting do that
[23:33] <Andre_Gondim> I needed to go to other terminnal session to enter here, does anyone know how to solve it?
[23:33] <Sephorah> but I'll check with my gparted live cd
[23:33] <Volkodav> good luck Sephorah
[23:33] <Sephorah> thanks
[23:34] <Sephorah> as a huge ubuntu fan, I *MUST* succeed that :D
[23:34] <Volkodav> :)
[23:35] <Sephorah> I just tried OpenSuSE new 11.3 system this afternoon. All my devices were recognized with their new kernel so I want to check Maverick
[23:35] <penguin42> can someone explain dput to me ? What is the 'package.changes' ? Is it a diff - if so how does it know what package it's a diff to?
[23:37] <Volkodav> Sephorah: it's not comparing apples and apples
[23:37] <Sephorah> Lol :P
[23:37] <Sephorah> I know that
[23:38] <Volkodav> maverick is too early stage
[23:38] <Volkodav> suse is a release
[23:38] <Sephorah> I got a RT3090 wifi chipset that was completly fucked up with the latest "stable" kernel
[23:38] <Volkodav> I used suse back in 9.xx version
[23:39] <Volkodav> years ago,,,,
[23:39] <Daekdroom> How's maverick doing when it comes to rootless X?
[23:41] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Can you explain what you mean by rootless X?
[23:42] <Daekdroom> penguin42, X.org running without root privileges.
[23:42] <penguin42> oh, that root
[23:42] <penguin42> still seems to be running as root on here
[23:44] <Sephorah> Now rebooting
[23:44] <Sephorah> My usb key is ready
[23:44] <Sephorah> Gonna try :)
[23:44] <Sephorah> see you
[23:50] <Sephorah> Same problem...
[23:50] <Sephorah> but this time I immediatly got the initramfs console
[23:51] <Sephorah> saying that there's an "error inserting ramzswap (.....stwap.ko)" because of "unknown symbole in module" blablabla "no init found"
[23:51] <Sephorah> penguin42: Volkodav
[23:52] <penguin42> see I don't know the install from usb tricks; a nice blank cd-rw would solve your problem (if it fits!)
[23:53] <Sephorah> I don't have that
[23:53] <Sephorah> I'm using a netbook
[23:53] <penguin42> ah I see
[23:55] <Sephorah> Maybe I should just install Ubuntu lucid (that works) and update manually the kernel ?
[23:56] <Sephorah> like this http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.35-rc1-lucid/
[23:58] <penguin42> someone will know the right magic to use with a usb stick
[23:58] <Sephorah> Lol
[23:59] <Daekdroom> penguin42, CD-RWs are evil!
[23:59] <Daekdroom> Too many read errors. That can't happen with a system install CD
[23:59] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Then please, help Sephorah!
[23:59] <Daekdroom> I don't even own a single pendrive.
[23:59] <Sephorah> :(


[00:49] <ahoneybun> hello I have a question about the https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs page
[00:50] <ahoneybun> we the Kubuntu Docs people would like to take control of the page and turn on bug report for the page
[00:51] <pleia2> ahoneybun: isn't littlegirl from the kubuntu doc team?
[00:51] <pleia2> she has access to make changes to that :)
[00:51] <ahoneybun> oh did not know that
[00:52] <ahoneybun> to that page>
[00:52] <ahoneybun> ?
[00:52] <pleia2> she's a member of ~ubuntu-core-doc, which owns the kubuntu-docs project on launchpad
[00:53] <pleia2> so she can make any changes you may need
[00:53] <ahoneybun> I see
[00:53] <pleia2> (that's why we have a kubuntu person in core-doc)
[00:53] <ahoneybun> now to get a email to her
[00:53] <pleia2> :)
[00:54]  * ahoneybun search across the internet for it
[00:54] <pleia2> littlegirl at gmail is what she uses on the doc list
[00:54] <ahoneybun> oh ok then thanks
[00:54] <ahoneybun> !
[00:54] <pleia2> sorry, littlergirl!
[00:55] <pleia2> the one in launchpad :) https://launchpad.net/~littlergirl
[00:57] <ahoneybun> sent
[01:21] <dsmythies1> ahoneybun: Are you still around?
[01:22] <ahoneybun> yes
[01:23] <dsmythies1> ahoneybun: do you have any idea why this page: https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs ...
[01:23] <dsmythies1> says this:
[01:23] <dsmythies1> You can push the branch directly to Launchpad with the command:
[01:23] <dsmythies1>                bzr push lp:~dsmythies/kubuntu-docs/kubuntu-docs
[01:24] <dsmythies1> It makes no sense to me why my name is there, and you can not do that anyhow.
[01:24] <ahoneybun> says my name when I load the page
[01:25] <godbyk> dsmythies1: It just substitutes your username in case you don't have permissions to commit directly to the repository.  It shows ~godbyk for mine.
[01:25] <dsmythies1> Duh... sorry,
[01:25] <dsmythies1> ahoneybun: Please note that littlegirl comes and goes, and right now she is not around much.
[01:25] <ahoneybun> yea I see that
[01:25] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Btw, I just noticed you pinged me earlier. Is there something I can help you with or is it too late?
[01:26] <dsmythies1> godbyk: Recall that we were having some dicussions about yelp-tools and some changes we hoped woould make it into 14.04.
[01:26] <dsmythies1> godbyk: Recall also that I am currently compiling using the development branch of yelp-tools.
[01:26] <dsmythies1> godbyk: You had suggested that I try to get some action at Debian upstream to include the newer yelp-tools. Which I did not do yet, because I was hoping to include some things Shaun was still working on (which I am not up to date on status).
[01:26] <dsmythies1> godbyk: I did not realize until this morning that "Debian Import Freeze" is on February 6th. Ugh-oh, I think we will miss out on what we want for yelp-tools. It will be a problem for some of our compile issues.
[01:27] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Hmm.. well, that stinks.
[01:27] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Will the docs packages be compiled using the Ubuntu packages of yelp-tools or can we ensure they're compiled with our custom builds of yelp-tools somehow?
[01:28] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Alternatively, can we bypass Debian and patch/update the Ubuntu yelp-tools packages ourselves?
[01:28] <dsmythies1> godbyk: shaunm_ is not around. I'll try to e-mail him and see where we are at.
[01:28] <dsmythies1> godbyk: The issues are mainlly with html, and I compile that for help.ubuntu.com
[01:29] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Okay, so for the html we can use our custom builds that contain the patches?
[01:30] <dsmythies1> godbyk: BY the way, Recall I was following up about the installation guide. My inquiries have no reply yet.
[01:30] <godbyk> dsmythies1: No one is interested in updating the installation guide for 14.04?
[01:30] <dsmythies1> godbyk: For html we could, it probably is some violation though.
[01:31] <dsmythies1> godbyk: Well, I thought I had a guy for installation guide, but amybe he has begged off.
[01:31] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Gotcha.
[01:32] <godbyk> dsmythies1: The installation guide covers some interesting topics.
[01:32] <dsmythies1> godbyk: Maybe the guy is just away right now. Let's hope.
[01:32] <godbyk> dsmythies1: One possibility would be to excerpt the installation manual from the Ubuntu Manual project and use it, but it only covers the simple desktop installation case.
[01:33] <godbyk> dsmythies1: But if the current installation guide is too far out of date and no one is interested in maintaining it, that option might be better that posting outdated docs.
[01:34] <dsmythies1> godbyk: The guy had a merge proposal, and it only needed a bit of work. I could look at it, but I was hoping it would be something I didn't have to (i.e. I was "yippie" someone took that over)
[01:34] <godbyk> dsmythies1: I hear ya.  If he has a merge proposal that's nearly good enough, we should take a look at it this cycle.
[01:35] <dsmythies1> godbyk: Re: yelp> Let me follow up with shaun.
[01:35] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Otherwise we'll keep seeing bug reports about our (obviously) outdated docs.
[01:35] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Okay.
[01:35] <dsmythies1> godbyk: Re: install guide. Let me ping the guy, yet again, and think about it in a week.
[01:36] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Sounds like a plan.
[01:36] <dsmythies1> godbyk: I was only wanting to update you was all.
[01:36] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Ha! No problem. :-)
[01:36] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Let me know how those go.
[01:36] <godbyk> dsmythies1: I'd like to at least get the yelp stuff fixed, though.
[01:37] <godbyk> dsmythies1: I'm a bit less concerned about the installation guide at the moment. We could just remove the link for 14.04 if the docs are that bad.
[01:37] <dsmythies1> ahonybun: godbyk: I feel incredibly dense, re my name on the launchpad page.
[01:37] <dsmythies1> godbyk: Yes, I would very much like the yelp tools stuff to make into this cycle.
[01:37] <godbyk> dsmythies1: Don't worry, *I* still think the universe revolves around you. I'll push some branches to your repository to make you feel special if you like. ;-)
[01:38] <dsmythies1> godbyk: lol
[01:39] <dsmythies1> godbyk: The problem with deletion of the installation guide is that it would break a lot of links. (which if we have to tackle it, well we have to).
[01:40] <godbyk> dsmythies1: That's a good point.
[11:51] <AlanBell> pleia2: done :)


[14:36] <meena> holman: i finally have an AMI that i can use to test cloud-init on AWS very easily!
[14:36] <meena> (very easily == it only took a week to get there)
[14:36] <meena> dch: ^
[15:12] <dch> meena: have you tried running cloudinit in a jail? seems silly but its possible
[15:12]  * dch wonders if there's a fake cloudinit-server daemon or if I should roll my own...
[15:33] <meena> dch: I've seen a blog post somewhere of someone doing that
[15:34] <meena> one of the big jail managers supports it
[15:37] <meena> dch: there's this one, https://lseek-urandom.blogspot.com/2024/02/using-freebsd-jails-to-debug-cloud-init.html
[15:39] <meena> right, and cbsd supports it too, but the stuff they support is rather inferior
[15:53] <holman> meena: yay!
[15:53] <holman> meena: glad to hear it!
[15:53] <meena> holman: i finally gave that rundir change a run, and it works as expected
[15:54] <holman> meena: thanks for testing that, glad we're making progress there
[15:54] <meena> I'm just glad i finally got a pipeline for testing; it's arm64-only for now, but, eh
[15:56] <holman> blackboxsw was out last week, and I expect he is wrapped up in 24.1 release work now
[15:56] <holman>  but if you haven't already could you mention in the PR that you tested it?
[15:56] <holman> at this point the rundir PR depends on his review
[15:57] <falcojr> we're currently uploading 24.1.2 stuff XD
[15:57] <blackboxsw> awesome meena! And we just released 24.1.2
[15:57] <meena> blackboxsw: did it contain my last patch :O
[15:58] <meena> for future reference: How do I ask for a patch to be included in a current release?
[15:59] <blackboxsw> thx falcojr . yes uploads to -proposed should have queued in unapproved already `[ubuntu/mantic-proposed] cloud-init 24.1.2-0ubuntu1~23.10.1` just waiting on bot announcements in ubuntu-release
[16:01] <falcojr> meena these point releases are mostly for breaking regressions from the previous release. Otherwise changes will wait till the next quarterly release. If you do find breaking changes, you can file a bug and call it out as such
[16:02] <meena> it's not a breaking change, just the adduser thing that doesn't respect homedir
[16:02] <meena> works now with my fix
[16:02] <meena> cool
[16:02] <blackboxsw> meena: at one week prior to a release `24.2` we'll ping with community-notice in IRC to request if there are PRs, bugs or  features that need to be wrapped up prior to our next scheduled release. Generally we try to tag those bugs as 24.2 label and set priority label on them to ensure they aren't overlooked by next planned release.
[16:03] <blackboxsw> so expect ping/communication around May 27 per our schedule in the topic of this channel https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/2024-cloud-init-release-schedule/41679
[16:04] <meena> *nod*
[16:05] <meena> I can, or should, carry this patch until then, given that it fixes real a issue
[16:05] <blackboxsw> also in the weeks right after an upstream release we keep an eye out for any unforeseen regressions that warrant a hotfix as james alluded to. if something crtiical comes out just after 24.1 we go into hotfix mode to put in will-scoped fixes for this cases, no additional communication needed beyond the bugfiling and representation of criticality
[16:05] <meena> yeah, no, this is and old bug
[16:06] <meena> I could've fixed it earlier, but I only really started testing things when holman pinged me about the rundir changes
[16:08] <meena> anyway, I'll get onto the growfs stuff, and then get back to wading knee deep in stuff I don't know (kernel code)
[16:08] <holman> meena: I forgot to ping in IRC this cycle for the 24.1 release sorry about that
[16:10] <holman> meena: curious how your testing workflow on Amazon looks, if you have any code or informal docs that you don't mind sharing
[16:10] <holman> (don't feel like you have to put something together of course)
[16:10] <meena> holman: i have shell code right now… would be nice to turn that into TerraForm / OpenTofu
[16:11] <meena> lemme toss that onto a git thingy
[16:16] <holman> meena: I'm technically not working until Friday but will be happy to take a look when I'm back online
[16:26] <meena> holman: https://codeberg.org/meena/test-cloud-init
[16:28] <meena> i guess i could also make my AMI public, so no one else has to go through the pain of doing that


[06:24] <Tas-sos> Hello! o/
[06:25] <Tas-sos> I have the known probem/bug with copy-paste (clipboard), in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[06:26] <Tas-sos> what can i do to fix it?
[06:27] <Tas-sos> I read somewhere about an alternative package that install (but now I can not find it now)
[06:29] <Tas-sos> Sorry, wrong channel.. ^_^


[15:31] <hjd> Hi all. The new version of Jruby has failed to build on Ubuntu Wily (see bug 1491526). I believe this issue has been resolved now, since I was able to build the package on a local Wily vm. Could someone trigger a rebuild for this package to see whether we could get the newer version into the archives?
[16:06] <cjwatson> hjd: I've pushed retry
[16:07] <cjwatson> hjd: seems reasonable for you to close that bug if the build succeeds:
[16:07] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jruby/1.7.21-2ubuntu4/+build/7851239
[16:08] <hjd> cjwatson: Will do. Thank you. :)
[16:37] <cjwatson> hjd: Looks like it still fails (maybe differently?  I haven't checked)
[16:45] <hjd> cjwatson: Hm... didn't get that locally. Though I didn't upgrade my existing packages after enabling -proposed so might have some slight difference there (?). There's fewer test failures, so looks like it's heading in the right direction at least. I'll update the bug report.
[21:32] <Muyfret> I have used ubuntu-like technology to develop a form of Ai. it is not complete. but i find it very interesting
[23:10] <teward> anyone able to answer a question about the debian/copyright format?
[23:12] <TJ-> teward: try asking :)
[23:12] <teward> :p
[23:12] <teward> How would one put 'Portions copyright ABC Corporation' as a secondary copyright entry for a specific Files: section in debian/copyright?
[23:12] <teward> i know that there's the format of 'year-a person-a; year-b person-b' (the ; is a line separator in that quoted area), but not sure how to specifically achieve the 'portions' part...
[23:15] <TJ-> Multiple Copyright lines:  https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/#copyright-field
[23:19] <teward> TJ-: that's what I assumed.  Thanks for confirming.


[00:44] <bill> has anyone changed the theme on their login via the Log-In manager?
[00:46] <bill> anyone?
[01:02] <cato37_> the alsa audio channels are muted by default. how do i unmute them so that there is sound on my laptop?
[01:03] <bill> cato click on the speaker icon
[01:03] <bill> i found the answer to my question, thanks
[01:04] <cato37_> i did. the speaker and the slider work, but the volume doesnt. i recompiled the thing and in the notes on the console it read: "alsa audio channels are muted by default" but i cant unmute them with the icon.
[01:05] <bill> cato: did u click on MIXER
[01:05] <cato37_> yes
[01:06] <bill> cato: do u have a PCM showing in MIXER
[01:07] <cato37_> it reads hda intel
[01:07] <bill> yes but do youe have  "Master Front PCM Headphone" listed
[01:07] <cato37_> i have teh pcm turned p half-way
[01:07] <cato37_> yes
[01:08] <bill> turn pcm all theway up
[01:08] <cato37_> master, front, pcm, cd and headphone listed
[01:08] <bill> yes, slide pcm all the way up
[01:09] <cato37_> k
[01:09] <bill> wait you said your volume works?
[01:09] <bill> you can hear audio?
[01:09] <elliottm> how do i manually set my dns servers with knetworkmanager? when i go to "manage connections" from the system tray icon, eth0 (my only network interface)  doesn't show up in the list
[01:09] <cato37_> the mechanisms work, but no sound comes out
[01:10] <bill> hmmm I had to slide PCM up all the way and it fixed my volume problem
[01:10] <cato37_> well, i have been tinkering witht the alsa stuff, and tried to recompile it. i might have goofed it u[p
[01:11] <bill> maybe unistall and then install via package manager
[01:12] <cato37_> uninstall alsa?
[01:12] <bill> hold on let me check
[01:18] <bill_> have u looked here, http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=search2
[01:18] <bill_> kubuntuforums....have to read some
[01:20] <bill_> cato: in the Kmixer handbook, it states "Using ALSA and OSS driver at the same time"...are u?
[01:27] <cato37> i dont know. how do i check?
[01:28] <cato37> bill, how do i check?
[01:30] <cato37> i have to go. i will try again tomorrow. have a good evening all.
[01:36] <bill_> cato37: read this....it should answer all your questions...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[02:01] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[02:01] <bill_> hey
[02:01] <wizkoder> is there a way I could check my gmx mails lets say every minute and alert me if a mail with a specific subject arrived?
[02:02] <bill_> do u use kmail
[02:02] <bill_> do u download via POP3
[02:03] <wizkoder> Have configures kmail yes
[02:03] <wizkoder> no pop. I have to use imap
[02:03] <bill_> do u have a gmail account
[02:03] <wizkoder> yes I have a gmail account too
[02:04] <bill_> u can download gmail to ur pc via pop3 using kmail or whatever flavor mail app u choose
[02:04] <bill_> set it up to check ebery x minutes
[02:04] <bill_> every
[02:05] <wizkoder> like I forward all mails with the subject to gmail and configure kmail to read gmail instead?
[02:06] <bill_> yeah u can have gmail suck all ur email from some other email account. not sure for how many days it will do it for
[02:07] <bill_> i am slowly switching to gmail cuz it supports pop3
[02:08] <bill_> i havent set up yahoo account to forward automatically, probably cant
[02:09] <wizkoder> I totally love the new gmx. The mail filter there is also very powerful. I kindof don't like us companies and the fbi to read my mails ;)
[02:09] <bill_> if i want to have yahoo forward, then I have to pay, so I have gmail suck email, but not sure how long it will do that
[02:10] <bill_> yeah me either,
[02:11] <bill_> i never heard of gmx until now
[02:52] <raul_> de que se trata esto?
[02:52] <raul_> chau chau cahuuuuuuuuu
[03:24] <proyectos> hola
[04:20] <harmandeep> Guys
[04:21] <harmandeep> as in gnome network manager applet, there is option of DISBALE NETWORKING ......... is that option available in network-manager-kde
[04:21] <harmandeep> ?
[04:22] <harmandeep> when we right click network manager applete
[04:24] <harmandeep> ?
[04:45] <brian> kubuntu is simpl the best distro
[04:46] <brian> simply
[04:47] <sylbot> Yes
[04:48] <brian> gives you the best from ubuntu and kde
[04:50] <brian> I was runnimg gentoo for a while
[04:51] <brian> too much work for so little gain
[05:01] <solifugus> How do you set the default runlevel in kubuntu?  Google seems to suggest that the file for it has moved several times over different releases..
[05:02] <solifugus> What about the current release?
[05:02] <solifugus> I have a video driver issue.. after install, the screen goes black starting kdm..
[05:02] <solifugus> I need to get in, in text mode to get the right drivers installed.
[05:04] <bnktop> d
[05:25] <zeronice_> hi, i need some help
[05:31] <bdizzle> hi, I was wondering if someone could help me mount my card inside my SD drive on my laptop. Sometimes kubuntu will pick it up, other times it won't
[05:31] <bdizzle> right now its not, and I'd rather not have to reboot just for it to "see" the drive
[05:48] <bdizzle> hi
[06:04] <punto> hi.. I want to switch from kubuntu to ubuntu, if I remove kubuntu-desktop and install ubuntu-desktop with apt-get, will that work?
[06:05] <punto> kubuntu-desktop doesn't seem to remove any of its dependencies tho
[06:17] <CartoonCat> hellos
[06:19] <CartoonCat> so, 2 weeks ago i did a update, and the ethernet driver broke. its the r8169 module, but reloading it does not fix the issue, so i am thinking its higher up the food chain, but do not see any other modules that look like they would be involved. anyone happen to know? (the error is 100% reproducable, ifconfig up the port, use it, down the port, up the port, SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot allocate memory)
[06:26] <bdizzle> has anyone ever got the Texas Instruments 5-in-1 SD card reader to actually read their SD card?
[08:36] <usf> hi,how can i uninstall a command line interface??
[08:37] <usf> i want to let only one
[09:35] <cato37> i turned the wireless card off and now the network manager reads as disabled, and nothing seems to enable it, even when i turn the physical switch for the wireless card on. how do i enable the network manager>
[09:35] <cato37> ?
[09:37] <Ites> How do I install a new kernel? I'm not sure I should too, someone in here I tihnk told me.. I was annoyed with my vent being too loud so I tried switching power management from performance to extreme powersave, but the vent kept doing the same..
[10:11] <cato37> what is the command to enable the kubuntu network manager?
[10:17] <ifif> каво вы..?
[10:18] <bazhang> !ru | ifif
[10:19] <cato37> !network
[10:26] <Bucky> hi. kmail doesn't download my mails. if i'm offline i cant view them. provider:GMail, IMAP
[11:13] <ionut> i've installed phpmyamin running this command "sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin" and now i want to remove that package.how?
[11:14] <well_laid_lawn> try sudo apt-get --purge remove phpmyadmin ionut
[11:15] <ionut> well_laid_lawn: tnx
[11:38] <noir_lord> on Kubuntu 10.04 2D stuff seems to be faster with the nouvea drivers than with the nvidia drivers, anyone else observed this?
[11:43] <Extra_Leonard> hello
[11:45] <slow-motion> hi
[12:43] <tdn> Is pulseaudio installed by default? I heard it was... But I see that the package 'pulseaudio' is not installed in Kubuntu 10.04. Why is that?
[12:50] <tdn> I just installed pulseaudio, how do I get it working in Kubuntu 10.04?
[12:53] <bendersteed> Thats what we all ask..
[12:53] <lumm> pulse is a nightmare thats why its not in ubuntu anymore by default;)
[12:54] <bendersteed> it is in ubuntu..
[12:54] <bendersteed> but cant work well with phonon.
[12:55] <tsimpson> it can work with phonon
[12:56] <tsimpson> System Settings -> Multimedia
[12:58] <bendersteed> Well, I haven't manage to make it work, any work around?
[12:59] <bendersteed> And after that any way for it to work with kmix, so we can finally manage to choose volume by application in kmix.
[12:59] <bendersteed> ?
[13:01] <tsimpson> kmix only does ALSA afaik
[13:09] <bendersteed> Well I've seen stuff from Mandriva Cooker with fully integrated kmix with pulseaudio & that was cool
[13:10] <tsimpson> KMix may well do non ALSA stuff, but I've never bothered trying
[13:10] <tsimpson> ALSA is just fine
[13:14] <bendersteed> well is ok but pulsemix is more useful dont you think. But I havent managed to compile it correctly anytime, but keep trying I guess
[13:15] <tsimpson> I don't get the point of it
[13:15] <tsimpson> if I'm listening to something, I'm not listening to another thing at the same time
[13:15] <tsimpson> one volume level is perfectly fine
[13:16] <tsimpson> or, for audio applications, they should provide their own volume controls
[13:58] <anthony_> Hi.  Does anybody know about using linux for tv via usb?   i have several programs installed, take your pick for help
[14:14] <anthony_> thanks anyway......
[14:34] <whoami> hi
[15:16] <SwimsuitIssue> hi
[15:16] <SwimsuitIssue> i have problems installing my remote control for an Asus eb1501
[15:17] <SwimsuitIssue> the IR is not showing up when I try cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[15:32] <ArGGu^^> SwimsuitIssue do you have built in IR?
[15:33] <ArGGu^^> SwimsuitIssue do you have built in IR?
[15:33] <ArGGu^^> oh he quit again :S
[15:38] <judgen> Do you guys know how to calibrate a touchscreen for (k)ubuntu
[15:53] <avishek> hi! i have set up a kubuntu m/c with 2 nic cards as a router. but my client kubuntu m/c cannot get access to the internet. any suggestions?
[15:57] <avishek> hi! i have set up a kubuntu m/c with 2 nic cards as a router. but my client kubuntu m/c cannot get access to the internet. any suggestions?
[16:03] <apparle> hi guys
[16:03] <apparle> oxymoron: so did the vloopback work the other day?
[16:04] <avishek> all quiet on the kubuntu front today...
[16:04] <ArGGu^^> avishek https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router#Setting%20Up%20Your%20Network%20Interfaces
[16:05] <ArGGu^^> maybe that would help
[16:05] <avishek> ArGGu: thank you. my client machine keeps giving "Unknown Host" even though i've set resolv.conf
[16:06] <DRT[AtWork]> ok, Lucid says my wireless is active, but it doesn't show any networks, any ideas?
[16:09] <ArGGu^^> avishek but is the dns server in external network? If it is it cannot connect it without the router working and of course you need to set the default gateway for your client.
[16:10] <avishek> ArGGu: dns server is in the external network; router is working; and client gateway is set. i think it's a problem with ipv4 forwarding
[16:10] <judgen> Anyone know how to calibrate my touchscreen.
[16:11] <cato37> the taskbar tray with all the icons like sound and wifi connection are gone, and all the icons are sqeezed to the left except the date and time. how do i get it back how it was?
[16:11] <cato37> a crash bug just came up also.
[16:17] <avishek> ArGGu: if my dns is on the external, is there any special consideration to be taken for my client? i've set my client resolv.conf to the external dns.
[16:22] <ArGGu^^> avishek have you used traceroute to see that ip traffic goes to your router from your client
[16:23] <avishek> ArGGu: no, i'll do so now
[16:24] <avishek> ArGGu: I'll be rebooting now. thank you for your help.
[16:32] <cato37> i unchecked the widgets and rechecked them and they appeared properly. the sound now works, the knetwork manager still needs replaced with  the gnome so it doesnt lock out during hibernation, and all of the icons are in the task tray. so far the system has been very good.
[16:32] <DRT[AtWork]> can anyone help me with getting the wifi to work in Lucid? says it's on, but can't pick up any of the 3 networks here
[16:38] <cato37> i had the same problem yesterday, and am trying to find the url to the ubunu soluton page.
[16:44] <cato37> wo,w, i cant find the url. it had to do with disabling the knetworkmanager and installing the gnome one in its place. it had some commands to run in the prompt; but i cant find it now.
[16:53] <DRT[AtWork]> cato37: ok, lemme try and see what i come up with
[16:54] <cato37> sorry. i know it had something to do with killing the knetwork manager, installing the gnome nw and then selecting the autostart feature for it.
[16:57] <trupheenix> i'm having real issues with panesl
[16:57] <trupheenix> can anyone help?
[16:57] <trupheenix> or is every1 watching worldcup?
[16:57] <ArGGu^^> trupheenix what is the issue?
[16:58] <trupheenix> ArGGu^^: the panel is not appearing on all desktops
[16:59] <trupheenix> ArGGu^^: also if i stretch the panel across the entire desktop
[16:59] <trupheenix> it turns black
[16:59] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, all desktops as in across multiple monitors?
[16:59] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: no all virtual desktops
[17:00] <devilsadvocate> wut
[17:00] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: yea
[17:00] <trupheenix> it's not showing
[17:00] <devilsadvocate> hrm, thats strange. i havent been able to do that _on purpose_
[17:00] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: i don't know
[17:00] <trupheenix> some real strange issue
[17:01] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: i hate to say this
[17:01] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: but kubuntu is too buggy
[17:01] <ArGGu^^> trupheenix you sure you are switching between desktops not activities?
[17:01] <savgur> Hi, is some slim cd covers for lucid lynx kubuntu?
[17:01] <trupheenix> ArGGu^^: yes desktops
[17:01] <trupheenix> ArGGu^^: Ctrl+f1
[17:01] <ArGGu^^> well then that reallly odd :S
[17:02] <trupheenix> ArGGu^^: yea i know
[17:02] <devilsadvocate> ArGGu^^, afaik panels are maintained across activities too
[17:02] <ArGGu^^> trupheenix you using lucid?
[17:02] <trupheenix> also can u tell me why the panel becomes black if u maximize it? i want it to be translucent
[17:02] <trupheenix> ArGGu^^: yes i'm using lucid lynx
[17:02] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, well, i'm afraid all i can say is that it works for me
[17:03] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: nice
[17:03] <savgur> Sorry: where i can download all available cd/dvd covers for kubuntu?
[17:03] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: maybe u can tell me then why does my panel become black when i maximize it?
[17:03] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, my panel has always been maximised.. its always been transparant
[17:03] <ArGGu^^> I also had the panel black when I started using lucid but don't remeber how i got it working :S
[17:04] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, how do you maximise it?
[17:04] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: settings
[17:04] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: more settings
[17:04] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: visibility
[17:04] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: maximize
[17:04] <FloodBotK1> trupheenix: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:05] <Xand3r> hey, what have i to do so that kopete is showing the icq 7 icons in the right way?
[17:05] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, hrm. clicking on maximise panel doesnt change anything for me. ftr, i'm using it set to right but with the sliders dragged to maximum
[17:05] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, i dont quite remember how / if i changed anything
[17:05] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, yep. the maximise thing works fine here
[17:06] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: yea but my panel becomes black
[17:06] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: is there anyway i can configure the translucency of the panel?
[17:06] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: kde is total nightmare
[17:06] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: it's like windoz
[17:06] <trupheenix> devilsadvocate: gnome is like mac
[17:06] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, the panel transparancy is set by the plasma theme settings
[17:07] <devilsadvocate> trupheenix, alt+f2 -> desktop theme settings (iirc)
[17:07] <devilsadvocate> s/settings/details
[17:08] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] any luck with the wireless?
[17:08] <DRT[AtWork]> that would be a negitive
[17:08] <DRT[AtWork]> tho i tried something not quite what cato37 said
[17:09] <trupheenix> heh fiddling with the settings brought it back. kde is super buggy and complete fail
[17:09] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] when you select connect other network from knetworkmanager it won't list any wireless networks?
[17:10] <DRT[AtWork]> all i have is "802.11g Create Wireless Connection"
[17:11] <trupheenix> that's it
[17:11] <DRT[AtWork]> if i go through that to connect to other network, it doesn't show me any, just ask for me to create one
[17:11] <trupheenix> i had it with kubuntu time to switch to debian sid squeeze lxde was much simpler zippier and easier
[17:12] <DRT[AtWork]> othert than that it doesn't show me any other networks
[17:14] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] and the gnome network manager didn't work also?
[17:14] <DRT[AtWork]> where do i find the directions for that
[17:14] <DRT[AtWork]> ?
[17:15] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] open konsole
[17:16] <ArGGu^^> sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome
[17:16] <ArGGu^^> kill knetworkmanager
[17:16] <ArGGu^^> and run nm-applet
[17:16]  * DRT[AtWork] copies that for he has customers to deal with
[17:19] <trupheenix> ok kubuntu is a joke
[17:19] <trupheenix> is there a decent distro which runs kde properly?
[17:21] <DarthFrog> trupheenix: Have you had a look at OpenSuSE?
[17:21] <trupheenix> DarthFrog: yea and i hate it. ubuntu/debian is far better
[17:23] <villemv> if it's a joke, I'm not laughing
[17:23] <trupheenix> villemv: huh?
[17:25] <DarthFrog> All the various distributions have their supporters and their detractors. K/Ubuntu is no different in that respect.  I like what the Kubuntu team is trying to accomplish.  It's not perfect but it's pretty darn good.
[17:26] <trupheenix> hmmm
[17:26] <trupheenix> i agree
[17:28] <trupheenix> but there are serious UI quirks
[17:28] <trupheenix> it's stupidly complicated
[17:28] <trupheenix> KDE should follow the GNOME style of UI
[17:28] <trupheenix> it's so simple
[17:28] <trupheenix> KDE instead tries to be like Windoz
[17:32] <Guest39770> òkmm
[17:36] <DarthFrog> trupheenix: If you wish to continue this conversation, please join #kubuntu-offtopic.
[17:36] <trupheenix> DarthFrog: ok :)
[17:36] <trupheenix> DarthFrog: i'm gonna use kubuntu for a few days
[17:53] <draik> Hello everyone
[17:54] <draik> How do I change the font size for the items within System Settings > Advanced > Login Manager
[17:54] <draik> ?
[17:55] <draik> Everything else has expanded to font 22 as set wtihin System Settings > Appearance > Fonts, but this section still shows everyting at font size 9 or so
[17:56] <James147> draik: Apperance > Fonts configues the user level fonts, not the system or kdm fonts
[17:56] <trupheenix> damn
[17:56] <trupheenix> themes don't change
[17:56] <James147> draik: can you not change them in Login Manager > General > "Fonts" pain?
[17:57] <draik> I can change a value in there, but it doesn't do anything
[17:57] <James147> draik: are you using the themed greeter?
[17:58] <draik> It is all default.I just set this up on my LCD flat screen.
[18:01] <draik> Where can I upload a screenshot?
[18:02] <James147> http://imagebin.org/
[18:06] <draik> http://imagebin.org/101880
[18:06] <DRT[AtWork]> ArGGu^^: ok, i installed network-manager-gnome, and i still don't see my wifi
[18:07] <James147> diconico07: oo, your trying to change the size of the fonts inside loginmanager :S I though you where trying to change the font of kdm :)
[18:07] <James147> draik: ^^ sorrry
[18:08] <James147> draik: loginmanager is a root level window launched with kdesudo I beleave, so it uses the roots profile for its settings
[18:08] <draik> Oh, that would explain that
[18:08] <daedaluz> I can't believe this.. PulseAudio seems stable!
[18:09] <draik> I suppose the same goes for the login prompt, right?
[18:09] <James147> draik: you can change roots settings by launching systemsettings as root (kdesudo systemsettings)
[18:09] <draik> Whta's the command for the system settings so I can do it as root?
[18:09] <draik> That answers that :)
[18:09] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] what wifi card you have?
[18:10] <DRT[AtWork]> that is a very good question...i forgot the command to find out tho :/
[18:10] <James147> draik: dont think so, you should be able to change the font of the login prompt (kdm) through loginmanager.... not sure how themes respond to changes in font size though you could try disabling the themed greter or useing different themes
[18:11] <James147> DRT[AtWork]: lspci | grep Network   works sometimes :)
[18:11] <DRT[AtWork]> thanks, i know it was L-something
[18:12] <DRT[AtWork]> theros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[18:12] <DRT[AtWork]> Atheros*
[18:12] <draik> Thank you, James147. Issue resolved
[18:13] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] run ifconfig
[18:13] <ArGGu^^> is there wlan0?
[18:14] <DRT[AtWork]> ArGGu^^:  yes wlan0 is there
[18:15] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1484242
[18:15] <ArGGu^^> you could try if that helps
[18:20] <savgur> I have question: where I can get slim cd covers for lucid lynx kubuntu?
[18:25] <DRT[AtWork]> ArGGu^^:  which linux-headers do i install?
[18:25] <ArGGu^^> savgur don't know any other cd covers than these https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing/#10.04%20LTS%20artwork
[18:25] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] just run sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[18:25] <ArGGu^^> it will install for the kernel which you are running
[18:26] <DRT[AtWork]> except is doesn't
[18:26] <DRT[AtWork]> it*
[18:27] <ArGGu^^> DRT[AtWork] what it says when you run that command?
[18:33] <daedaluz> trash bin doesn't work. KIOexec gives error that trash:/ is not proper address
[18:35] <DRT[AtWork]> ArGGu^^: http://pastebin.org/343884
[19:05] <_B_S_> Hello. Help please. Have half upgraded karmic -> lucid laptop. Stuck on libcups2 install error. e.g. 'unable to install (supposed) new info file `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/shlibs': Is a directory'. Please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/452128/.
[19:10] <_B_S_> echo request. Anybody home? [Not looking for answer here, just not seeing any traffic, to know that nothing unexpected is blocking something.]
[19:10] <Blueskaj> _B_S_, sudo do-release-upgrade , replaces the old dist-upgrade command
[19:11] <draik> I am using my HDMI for both video and audio. At first, I had audio working just fine. Now, I don't have any audio output
[19:12] <_B_S_> Blueskaj: Thanks. Interesting. Did not know that. "Checking for a new ubuntu release", "No new release found". Problem is a repository / package issue, less an upgrade issue.
[19:13] <Blueskaj> _B_S_,  maybe some dependncies weren't brought along . Do sudo fuser -vki -term /var/lib/dpkg/lock, then sudo dpkg --configure -a and start over
[19:14] <Blueskaj> draik, check your pcm setting in alsa
[19:14] <Blueskaj> err alsamixer
[19:15] <Clinteger> hi everyone
[19:15] <draik> Blueskaj: All of my audio levels are at 100%
[19:15] <Clinteger> I'm having trouble getting mp3s to play in amarok :(
[19:15] <Clinteger> I installed libxine1-ffmpeg but it's still not working
[19:15] <_B_S_> Blueskaj: Interesting. Want to try again: 'fuser: Invalid option t'. Past dpkg --configure -a fails in same way (libcups2). It also reveals many unconfigured packages. Very much feels like if I can get past libcups2 issue, it should all just go tickety boo.
[19:15] <Blueskaj> draik, make sure everthing unmuted aswell
[19:16] <draik> Blueskaj: Yup. No mutes
[19:16] <Blueskaj> _B_S_, ok try this, sudo dpkg --clear-avail
[19:17] <Blueskaj> draik, got pulseaudio ?
[19:17] <draik> Blueskaj: Let me check
[19:18] <draik> Blueskaj: No, should I install it?
[19:18] <_B_S_> Blueskaj: --clear-avail ran ok, but no change in behaviour. --configure still very unhappy. apt-get wants libcups2 and fails same way.
[19:19] <Blueskaj> draik, pci soundcard or onboard ?
[19:19] <draik> Blueskaj: It's all onboard. I'm using my HDMI for audio
[19:21] <Pedro> olá
[19:22] <Pedro> i need some help, please
[19:22] <Blueskaj> hdmi out , is connecting to both video and audio sections , draik ?
[19:22] <Pedro> i never used this before
[19:22] <Blueskaj> err connected
[19:22] <James147> !hi | Pedro
[19:23] <James147> !help | Pedro
[19:23] <Pedro> nive
[19:23] <draik> Blueskaj: It is 1 HDMI cable coming out from the box to the TV.
[19:24] <Blueskaj> _B_S_, sorry , maybe James147 can help you further , i've run out of ideas
[19:25] <Blueskaj> draik, using hdmi out just for audio, no video ?
[19:25] <_B_S_> Blueskaj: OK, thanks for trying.
[19:25] <_B_S_> James147: Have you a moment for me?
[19:25] <James147> _B_S_: Maby :S
[19:26] <draik> Blueskaj: I'm using it for both
[19:26] <slow-motion> hi
[19:27] <_B_S_> James147: Sorry, assumed you followed thread. Have half upgraded karmic -> lucid laptop. Stuck on libcups2 install error. e.g. 'unable to install (supposed) new info file `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/shlibs': Is a directory'. Please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/452128/.
[19:28] <James147> _B_S_: what happens when you run "sudo aptitude install -f"?
[19:29] <Blueskaj> well draik , unless it's muted at the tv , but first make sure that your soundcard is the priority in system settings /mmultiedia/
[19:30] <draik> Blueskaj: I tested all in the list and none play audio
[19:30] <draik> Blueskaj: I do have HDMI as primary
[19:30] <Blueskaj> err multimedia
[19:30] <_B_S_> james147: same. was using apt-get to K.I.S.S., expecting to run aptitude when hurdle overcome. aptitude wants to upgrade libcups2, and finish configuration of the many screens of not yet configured packages. Dies trying to do libcups2, then spews over unconfigured.
[19:31] <James147> _B_S_: cups aint important... you could try removing/purging it
[19:32] <cuatrocientoscua> .
[19:32] <Blueskaj> draik, try this test in the cli , speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[19:32] <_B_S_> James147: Agreed, but attempts to remove it trigger attempt to remove, e.g. all of kde.
[19:33] <_B_S_> James147: Try it, for example. apt-get (or aptitude) remove libcups2 - See what it wants to do as a result. (Do say no to proceeding!)
[19:34] <Blueskaj> _B_S_, just a thought , disconnect any printers
[19:34] <Blueskaj> for now
[19:35] <_B_S_> Blueskaj: No printers near the thing at the moment. Last thing I care about is printing, at the moment. (-:
[19:35] <draik> Blueskaj: Nothing coming out of my speakers
[19:36] <Pedro> Hi, I´m from Brasil. I had one partition (sda1) with jaunty installed and the home directory was in it. So I decided to separate my personals files from the system files by creating a new partition and installing kubuntu 10.04 on it (sda4). Now I want to mount my home directory that is in sda1 on the new home directory on sda4. I want to know if I can mount only an especific folder of a partition , without having to mount the hole thing
[19:37] <James147> Pedro: you need to moung the whole thing... usually people place the contents of /home on a new partition and mount that at /home... however you can use --bind with mount and bind a folder to a new location
[19:40] <trupheenix> hmmmm
[19:40] <trupheenix> i can't seem to start qt creator
[19:40] <Pedro> i will try that, tanks for now
[19:40] <trupheenix> it's getting stuck on some futex
[19:40] <trupheenix> any solutions?
[19:42] <Blueskaj> draik, then you probly need to make everything is unmuted in alsamixer , make sure there are no Ms in the ctrl boxes , use the M key to unmute.
[19:42] <James147> _B_S_: Not sure if all of kde needs cups (i should hope not) so you could try removing it and resolving the dependency manually in aptitude :S I think your problem might be kubuntu-desktop depends on cups... if you let that be removing but try to keep the other stuff it depends on
[19:43] <draik> Blueskaj: Already assured of that
[19:46] <Blueskaj> draik,  perhaps  a new soundcard driver is needed, lspci | grep audio
[19:47] <_B_S_> Pursuing package configuration manually (one way to find needle in haystack is to make haystack smaller), "/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 is not a symbolic link" Clue?
[19:47] <Blueskaj> draik, or lsmod | grep snd
[19:49] <draik> /m Blueskaj
[19:49] <draik> $ lspci | grep audio
[19:49] <draik> $ lsmod | grep snd
[19:49] <draik> snd_hda_codec_nvhdmi     3840  1
[19:49] <FloodBotK3> draik: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:49] <draik> snd_hda_codec_realtek   203168  1
[19:49] <draik> snd_hda_intel          21877  6
[19:50] <Blueskaj> !intelhda | draik
[19:54] <Blueskaj> draik, if you have a coaxial/spdif or toslink audio out on your soundcard it may be set as the default , try that one if the hdmi isn't connecting to your soundcard internally like one expects
[19:56] <draik> Blueskaj: I need to reboot. I will check once I return
[19:56] <draik> Thanks for the help, Blueskaj
[19:56] <Blueskaj> draik, let's hope it worked
[20:12] <draik> Blueskaj: No, that didn't work
[20:13] <draik> Blueskaj: How do I make sure that I'm using Alsa instead of anything else. I also only see xine as my backend within the multimedia section.
[20:14] <apparle> draik: what happened
[20:15] <draik> apparle: I'm running my audio via HDMI (along with my video) but I no longer get audio output.
[20:15] <apparle> draik: no longer as in, was it working ever?
[20:16] <draik> Yes, it was previously working, apparle
[20:16] <apparle> draik: then what did you do to stop it :)
[20:16] <apparle> draik: I mean did yo install any package or a new kernel or a distro upgrade etc
[20:17] <_B_S_> libcups2 won't die. " Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." It won't upgrade, remove, purge, or install.
[20:17] <trupheenix> i can't seem to change my theme to oxygen
[20:17] <trupheenix> anyone can help me?
[20:17] <draik> apparle: I've installed quite a few things. There was also a new kernel involved. I don't know when it would have occurred, to be honest.
[20:18] <apparle> draik: if you have not removed the old kernel, try booting through it.
[20:19] <apparle> I have setup a wired connection in KNetworkManager, but everytime pc starts first it tries to connect to 'Auto eth0' and then to my connection. How to change the default
[20:19] <draik> apparle: I took it out already
[20:19] <apparle> draik: ahh.. is there anything in the logs
[20:19] <apparle> draik: is alsamixer etc working normally
[20:20] <Blueskaj> apparle, do you mean using /etc/network/interfaces instead of NM?
[20:20] <draik> OK, so now I have audio working, just not from Firefox
[20:20] <apparle> Blueskaj: NM...
[20:20] <Blueskaj> network manager
[20:21] <apparle> Blueskaj: I know, I am telling you, I mean NM
[20:21] <apparle> draik: ahh, by firefox, check if it is only flash or it is firefox
[20:21] <Blueskaj> right click on the icon , manage connections
[20:21] <apparle> Blueskaj: next
[20:22] <apparle> draik: also check if it is working in VLC, coz I know many people whose audio has failed in vlc and firefox simultaneously
[20:23] <draik> apparle: It's a new install and I don't have audio files
[20:25] <Blueskaj> apparle,  depends on your setup
[20:25] <Timo_> what is the problem? http://www.upload.ee/image/644574/pilt49.png
[20:25] <apparle> draik: there should be some system files like dialog sound etc, look in system folders
[20:25] <apparle> Blueskaj: ihave a connection listed under wired but how do I make it default
[20:25] <Timo_> this is a kubuntu 10.05 in vbox http://www.upload.ee/image/644574/pilt49.png
[20:26] <Timo_> 10.04
[20:27] <Blueskaj> apparle, in mnage connections , choose the wired tab and choose autoconnect
[20:27] <draik> apparle: I can't even get Java installed
[20:27] <Blueskaj> draik, install kubuntu-retricted-extras
[20:27] <apparle> Blueskaj: I don't have anything like autoconnect in wired tab
[20:28] <draik> Blueskaj: I did
[20:28] <Blueskaj> apparle, how about connect automatically
[20:28] <apparle> Blueskaj: I have it selected. That's it connects automatically when Auto eth0 fails
[20:29] <apparle> Blueskaj: that's old, now java is not there in extras, its moved partner repos
[20:29] <apparle> !java | draik
[20:29] <apparle> draik: you can install java icedtea packages
[20:30] <apparle> draik: or you can install sun java from partner repos
[20:30] <apparle> Blueskaj: any ideas, why system connection checkbox is greyed out
[20:30] <Blueskaj> draik , make sure your 3rd party sources are enabled in your package manager or canonical partners are uncommented in your sources.list
[20:31] <Blueskaj> no idea why , unless you have 2 connections conflicting, apparle
[20:32] <draik> apparle: Blueskaj: Just enabled it and getting them now
[20:33] <apparle> Blueskaj: what do you mean conflicting, I just want to remove the Auto Eth0
[20:34] <Blueskaj> apparle, what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[20:35] <apparle> Blueskaj: auto lo | iface lo inet loopback
[20:35] <Blueskaj> draik, speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[20:35] <_B_S_> rmdir /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcups2.shlibs. <sigh> Why it couldn't tell me that instead of a /tmp directory created and removed by virtue of running apt-get / aptitude / dpkg / pick you favourite ...
[20:35] <apparle> Blueskaj: IMHO, when NM is used, interfaces file is not seen
[20:36] <draik> Blueskaj: Weird. i still don't get any audio output from that
[20:37] <apparle> draik: from that as in? firefox?
[20:37] <draik> apparle: The command provided by Blueskaj
[20:37] <Blueskaj> apparle, NM checks  /etc/network/interfaces before connecting , that's what I've been led to beleive
[20:38] <draik> Still not getting audio from firefox
[20:38] <Blueskaj> some ppl toyally bypass NM and use /etc/network/interfaces settings exclusively to connect, apparle
[20:39] <apparle> Blueskaj: and I have observed (in maybe older version) that if it finds that interfaces is used, NM shows network unmanaged or something like that
[20:39] <Blueskaj> draik,then there's
[20:39] <apparle> draik: what was the command
[20:39] <Blueskaj> something seriously missing
[20:42] <Blueskaj> apparle, I just remove NM on my desktop and setup /etc/network/interfaces to the eth0 connection , and using a ststic IP is best , http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[20:42] <Blueskaj> err desktop-pc that is , apparle
[20:42] <arr> getting really poor desktop performance, how do i check that i have the correct gfx drivers
[20:43] <apparle> Blueskaj: I do that at home, I want it to do it through NM
[20:44] <Blueskaj> well, dunno then apparle , some weird bug i guess
[20:44] <Blueskaj> bbl
[20:45] <draik> Downloaded a song and I have no audio from VLC
[20:45] <apparle> draik: but you have it from amarok, dragon etc I guess
[20:46] <draik> apparle: Amarok yes
[20:48] <apparle> draik: try reconfiguring the alsa packages
[20:48] <apparle> draik: or try removing pulseaudio
[20:48] <apparle> draik: I have heard that problem many times, but I don't know the exact solution
[20:49] <apparle> draik: try running vlc in konsole and see if you get any errors
[20:52] <draik> apparle: No error message, just the following:
[20:52] <draik> [0x970e148] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
[20:52] <apparle> draik: no idea... try removing pulse audio
[20:53] <draik> apparle: I just did
[20:53] <apparle> draik: any luck
[21:05] <nfero> hi all
[21:05] <mfraz74> hi
[21:12] <mfraz74> any idea why I'm getting "could not open a temporary file" when saving from Kompare?
[21:16] <apparle> can I keep gnash and flash together
[21:22] <mvk> i need the 2.6.33 kernel for my SSD drive (trimming support), so what i did was ... i installed 10.04 lucid
[21:22] <mvk> and then installed the 2.6.33 kernel from mainline ppa
[21:22] <mvk> didnt realize i didnt update the system before installing the new kernel
[21:23] <mvk> did i do it wrong? (its working, but i do see a notice or warning before it enters KDE... > really fast.. i cant read it)
[21:25] <mvk> + the system tries to install a new 2.6.32 kernel automatically (as a security update)........ but of course i dont want this
[21:26] <mvk> ^^ need serious help guys, anyone?
[21:35] <mvk> do i need to disable updates? > how do i fix that error?
[21:40] <edju> Well, 10.4 doesn't use hal, so guidance-powermanager is no longer alive.  Does KDE provide a replacement for it?
[21:41] <James147> edju: power devil
[21:44] <edju> James147, apt-cache search doesn't return for powerdevil or power-devil - so what's it called?
[21:49] <James147> edju: not entirly sure what package it is in, but why do you need to know that, it is installed by default and with kubuntu-desktop
[21:54] <James147> edju: according to http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PowerDevil?content=85078 it has been merged into kdebase
[21:55] <edju> I'm trying to find something that does the same as guidance-powermanager.  Having trouble.
[21:56] <James147> edju: its intergradted into kde now.. system settings > advanced > power managment to configure it... some things can be changed through krunner (alt+F2: profile <profilename> as an example) or via the batery widget
[21:57] <edju> James147, OK, thanks a lot.
[22:06] <harman> Guys , anyone using apt-fast ?
[22:07] <harman> apt-fast doesn't downloads Dependecies of Dependencies using axel , any workaround for this ?
[22:15] <cthrurecords> hello
[22:16] <cthrurecords> i am having some trouble with nvidia settings
[22:17] <James147> cthrurecords: what trouble?
[22:17] <cthrurecords> I get an error that sends me to low graphics mode.
[22:21] <cthrurecords> to clarify: I installed the nvidia with synaptic while trying to get a composite out from an adaptor on a dell inspiron 9100.  one of the errors it gave mentioned the bios and nx settings.
[22:24] <cthrurecords> with the nvidia tool it says that i am not using the nvidia x driver
[22:25] <James147> cthrurecords: try running "sudo nvidia-config"
[22:25] <James147> cthrurecords: *xconfig sorry
[22:27] <cthrurecords> james147: did it.  do i restart?
[22:29] <James147> cthrurecords: you need to restart xserver (logout out and click restart xserver from one of the menus)
[22:58] <cthrurecords> james it did not work
[22:59] <James147> cthrurecords: have you actually installed the dirver? (you can do it in jockey-kde)
[23:00] <cthrurecords> sudo jockey-kde?
[23:00] <James147> cthrurecords: kdesudo jockey-kde
[23:03] <cthrurecords> i just get broadcom no nvidia...
[23:03] <cthrurecords> and this usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:127: RuntimeWarning: PyOS_InputHook is not available for interactive use of PyGTK
[23:05] <cthrurecords> then this: QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory
[23:05] <cthrurecords> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /root/.config/ibus/bus
[23:05] <cthrurecords> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[23:05] <cthrurecords> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[23:05] <FloodBotK3> cthrurecords: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:05] <James147> cthrurecords: are you sure you ahve a nivdia card then?
[23:21] <apparle> jussi: are you there?


[07:34] <fgimenez> zyga: "for i in $(seq 30); do spread -v -debug -reuse -seed=1498731712 external:ubuntu-core-16-arm-32:tests/main/abort external:ubuntu-core-16-arm-32:tests/main/interfaces-home external:ubuntu-core-16-arm-32:tests/main/ubuntu-core-reboot; done"
[09:00] <kyrofa> niemeyer, I've got a few snapcraft items on the agenda I'd like to discuss at least with you at some point
[09:01] <niemeyer> kyrofa: Sounds good!
[09:01] <kyrofa> niemeyer, let me know when you have a gap
[09:13] <mup> PR snapd#3545 opened: many: support querying and completing assertion type names <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3545>
[09:19] <Chipaca> pedronis: snapd#3540 is almost green
[09:19] <mup> PR snapd#3540: overlord/state: Abort() only visits each task once <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3540>
[09:40] <cjwatson> Could somebody please retry https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/248376205 ?  I don't think the timeout is the fault of my PR.
[09:48] <fgimenez> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24987938/
[10:09] <mup> Bug #1701510 opened: Unbind brcmfmac_sdio crashes netplan <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701510>
[12:21] <mup> PR snapd#3546 opened: tests: fix for rng-tools service not restarting <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3546>
[12:22] <mup> PR snapd#3543 closed: osutil: allow building on ppc64 (not LE) <Created by zyga> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3543>
[12:49] <ogra_> ppisati, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/development-sprint-june-26th-2017/415/46?u=ogra
[12:50] <ogra_> ppisati, thats the plan for updating gadgets ... part of it means we need to ship the broadcom firmware with the kernel snap (so bootloader never gets out of sync with the kernel)
[12:50] <ogra_> i.e. we'll need some changes to the snp build of the raspi2 kernel snap
[12:51] <ppisati> ogra_: so everything ends up in the kernel snap
[12:51] <ogra_> well, not uboot, config.txt, cmdline.txt and uboot.env
[12:52] <ogra_> only the bits that could break the boot
[12:52] <ogra_> (in case they are bound to the kernel version)
[12:52] <ppisati> ogra_: ogra_ config.txt and cmdline are part of the broadcm bootloader, IMO they should stay with the bootloader binaries
[12:53] <ogra_> we cant really overwrite existing ones ... the user might have made adjustments
[12:53] <ogra_> so only binaries
[12:53] <ogra_> i.e. start.elf and friends
[12:54] <ogra_> they also dont get updated every time ... only if there are new upstream versions
[13:47] <mup> PR snapd#3547 opened: snap-seccomp: skip socket() tests on systems that use socketcall() instead of socket() <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3547>
[21:40] <mup> PR snapd#3548 opened: interfaces: Add /run/uuid/request to openvswitch <Created by coreycb> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3548>