[00:08] <dougl> trying to config new printer (samsung clp-320) under kubuntu 12.04 and there is no clp-320 any suggestions - trying clp-325
[00:13] <dougl> nope that does not work
[00:21] <dougl> damn!
[00:30] <sershi87> вася
[00:30] <Unit193> !ru | sershi87
[01:11] <Daskreech> dougl: Samsung printer?
[01:50] <dougl> Daskreech, yes
[02:17] <h00k> Long time Ubuntu user...trying to get my google-talk set up with Kopete. I have the three options checked (use SSL, allow plaintext, and override [talk.google.com]), but I'm not able to get kopete to sign in with this account.
[02:17] <h00k> Any protips?
[02:21] <h00k> (yes, my password is right, it's a single-use password, so I know that's good.
[02:32] <phunyguy> Can anyone help me with KMyMoney? I am trying to get OFX transactions to import, and they match up with manual transactions, which is fine, however it seems to be using the cleared date of the transaction instead of what I set manually.
[02:33] <phunyguy> Like if I swipe my card on the 24th, and it clears on the 27th, the transaction date changes to the 27th when it matches.
[02:33] <h00k> huh, just needed a restart. Kopete is now connecting.
[02:33] <Daskreech> h00k: strange
[02:33] <h00k> Daskreech: yeah...after an initial round of upgrades after installing
[02:33] <h00k> anyway. cool.
[02:34] <Daskreech> phunyguy: Ah Umm Hmm
[02:34] <Daskreech> I'm almost sure I've done something like this before
[02:34] <phunyguy> yeah, why the heck would I care about a cleared date.  I want to know when I made the transaction.
[02:35] <phunyguy> I can't find anything else that decently supports OFX import
[02:43] <phunyguy> GNUCash wont work either... I get no transactions with that one
[04:33] <Daskreech> phunyguy: If you want you can hang out in #kmymoney and see if they have anything to say about it
[04:38] <uglyoldbob> im having a problem playing half-life on kubuntu, first is that half-life shows up on the middle of the screen and im seeing the top left corner of the screen
[04:39] <uglyoldbob> second is that keyboard input does not go to half-life
[04:39] <uglyoldbob> mouse works fine
[04:41] <uglyoldbob> ok i set half-life resolution to the same as my desktop, now i just need the keyboard to work
[04:44] <Daskreech> wine?
[04:46] <uglyoldbob> well i found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/916027
[04:47] <uglyoldbob> lol
[04:57] <Daskreech> how about checking in #winehq ?
[05:02] <uglyoldbob> oh so wine1.4 works with half-life but not starcraft 2, wine1.5 is the other way around
[05:02] <uglyoldbob> oh boy
[05:20] <uglyoldbob> is there a way to manually give keyboard focus to a program (besides using the mouse) ?
[05:23] <Phiscribe> what like alt tab?
[05:30] <uglyoldbob> it doesnt seem to work for wine + halflife
[05:31] <uglyoldbob> i managed to get keyboard input to work, but cant reproduce it now
[05:31] <uglyoldbob> (it was 10 mins ago when i got it to work, but without audio)
[05:34] <uglyoldbob> alt+tab doesnt acknowledge half-life has a window
[05:34] <Phiscribe> oh  your in wine, thats like another world, dunno about that
[05:35] <uglyoldbob> ive even tried telling half-life to run in a window (and set it to less than the size of my desktop)
[05:59] <p477t0n> Yo people
[06:19] <uglyoldbob> seems i needed to reactive the "allow the window manager to " options in wine
[08:26] <kaddi> hi, i have a backtrash where the symbols are missing and would like to install the dbg packages for that
[08:26] <kaddi> however i can't seem to figure out which ones I needed
[08:26] <kaddi> can someone help me identify what I need
[08:27] <kaddi> http://pastebin.com/tsCGDucb
[08:27] <kaddi> amarok-dbg  is installed, but didn't help
[08:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:46] <livingdaylight> greetings
[08:47] <livingdaylight> browsing synaptic I don't see plasmoid-xbar. Does anyone know where I can find this kde global-menu, please?
[08:48] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Sorry, I'm not sure what you are looking for, could you describe it a bit more?
[08:49] <livingdaylight> lordievader: howdy lordie... Yes, it behaves much as Ubuntu's global menu, or as in Apple Mac's global menu for that matter. Integrating an apps file menu into the panel
[08:50] <livingdaylight> this video shows it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpke-m4c8pk
[08:51] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Hey, that is kinda nice, let's see if I can find it.
[08:51] <livingdaylight> lordievader: yeah! :D
[08:52] <livingdaylight> I searched the widget tool and when I found the video synaptic, but don't see it in either. Perhaps its been discontinued?
[08:53] <livingdaylight> that video seems to be going back kubuntu 09.04
[08:54] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Seems like it, yes.
[08:54]  * livingdaylight sighs nvm :s
[08:55] <livingdaylight> a million weather widgets and the one useful one discontinued
[08:55] <lordievader> livingdaylight: A lot of forums are talking about bespin, not sure if that is a style.
[08:55] <livingdaylight> hrmm
[08:56] <lordievader> livingdaylight: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=84640
[08:57] <livingdaylight> lordievader: thanks
[08:58] <livingdaylight> lordievader: https://launchpad.net/plasma-widget-menubar/ is this relevant ? Window Menu Widget
[08:59] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Isn't that just the menu-bar?
[08:59] <livingdaylight> i think that's a global menu!
[09:00] <livingdaylight> indeed
[09:00] <livingdaylight> its already in default widget list
[09:18] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Hey this might be something: http://kbhaskar.in/unity-in-kde/
[09:19] <livingdaylight> lordievader: brilliant, lets see
[09:19] <livingdaylight> "...And no I’m not talking about the unity among people of KDE or the developers or anything like that. " LoL
[09:20] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Hmm repo seems to be dead.
[09:20] <livingdaylight> ahh...
[09:21] <livingdaylight> lordievader:" The ‘Window Menubar’ widget is just like the global menu in Unity." yes, that's the widget I found as well
[09:22] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Isn't that the one then?
[09:22] <livingdaylight> even in ubuntu not all apps were yet integrated into global menu, but increasingly more so.
[09:22] <livingdaylight> lordievader: yes
[09:22] <livingdaylight> but only integrates kde apps so far. Not even FF; still, its a start and a feature I like
[09:23] <lordievader> livingdaylight: FF seems to be integrated here...
[09:23] <livingdaylight> oh... should try again then
[09:32] <lordievader> Looks kinda neat :)
[09:50] <livingdaylight> lordievader: did you move your panel to the top? needs to to look right, no?
[09:53] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Yes on the top it makes more sense to me.
[10:00] <livingdaylight> lordievader: yea, screenshot? :)
[10:00] <livingdaylight> have to get comfortable with configuring in kde still, deleting and creating new panels
[10:05] <lordievader> livingdaylight: Just a second
[10:07] <lordievader> !paste
[10:07] <lordievader> livingdaylight: http://imagebin.org/223135
[10:12] <livingdaylight> lordievader: love it!
[10:13] <lordievader> livingdaylight: :-)
[11:13] <francua> hello, is there a shortcut for terminal window in kde like in gnome( ctrl-alt-t) ?
[11:18] <mydogsnameisrudy> i use yakuake so all you need is f12
[11:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> you can also go to custom short cuts and set it up francua
[11:25] <francua> ok thank you :)
[11:26] <liam> hi, any ETA for kde 4.9?
[11:51] <zetheroo> I installed the plasma desktop on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and am wondering where the plasma wallpapers are stored
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[12:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning phoenix_firebrd
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> mydogsnameisrudy: hi
[12:14] <mydogsnameisrudy> what you working on phoenix_firebrd
[12:14] <phoenix_firebrd> mydogsnameisrudy: dragon player 3 ui
[12:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm that is a game?
[12:15] <phoenix_firebrd> mydogsnameisrudy:  dragon player is the default video player in kubuntu
[12:15] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah ya ok so what are you doing
[12:16] <phoenix_firebrd> mydogsnameisrudy: designing its user interface
[12:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok im using ver2 i see hmmm
[12:18] <phoenix_firebrd> mydogsnameisrudy: ya, i am working on the upcoming version
[12:19] <cwsoft> 안녕하세요
[12:20] <cwsoft> hello?
[12:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmm not sure what that is
[12:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello
[12:20] <cwsoft> my name is sungsu park
[12:20] <cwsoft> I'm from korea
[12:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah nice to meet you cwsoft
[12:20] <cwsoft> nice meet you too
[12:21] <cwsoft> my homepage is http://cwsoft.net I'm newbie web programmer
[12:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> i dont understand korean so ;)
[12:23] <cwsoft> hm......
[12:28] <darthanubis> anyone upgrade to kde 4.9?
[12:28] <darthanubis> does your amarok still work?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[12:30] <OerHeks> Heya BluesKaj
[12:30] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning BluesKaj
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd , OerHeks, mydogsnameisrudy
[12:33] <BluesKaj> kde 4.9 seems to be relatively stable here , so far on 12.10
[12:34] <BluesKaj> upgraded the 12.04 install to 4,9 and all seems fine on it too
[12:38] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: kde 4.9 beta 2 or kde 4.9  final in 12.04?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, it's in the backports , official
[12:42] <stanley_robertso> h all
[12:42] <stanley_robertso> hii all
[12:43] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: yofel said that there was a versioning bug its versioned as kde 4.8 , did it show up in upgrade?
[12:44] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: that's fixed
[12:44] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: yesterday?
[12:45] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: today
[12:45] <yofel> and it wasn't the package versions that were broken, but the libs. (i.e. kde-workspace 4.9.0 shipping liboxygenstyle.so.4.8.0)
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: oh, then me going for the update
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: should i disable the beta backports?
[12:47] <yofel> those shouldn't matter, but if you don't want beta stuff disable it as we might put other things in there too sometime
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yeah , big update/upgrade available here , just running it now
[12:51] <phoenix_firebrd> ok, i better disable the beta backports
[12:54] <o0Tao0o> Hello World!  :p
[12:55]  * o0Tao0o is snubbed by the world.. again...
[12:55] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello o0Tao0o
[12:55] <o0Tao0o> :D
[12:55] <o0Tao0o> hiya
[12:55] <BluesKaj> o0Tao0o, the kubuntu world says hello to you ...have a little patience
[12:56] <o0Tao0o> lol, ha don't be so serious... It was humour.. oh well
[12:59] <BluesKaj> o0Tao0o,  yes after spending a little time with us you'll see what I mean :)
[13:01] <o0Tao0o> ok, point taken.  I 'now' notice the channel header (#kubuntu-offtopic)...  so perhaps this was not the best place for humour anyway. hehe...  i understand your response now  :s
[13:03] <BluesKaj> o0Tao0o, we get ppl coming and going in here and if they don't get a response within 30 secs or so , they leave ... instant gratification and all that ..ppl here are also busy doing other things , mostly
[13:03] <o0Tao0o> gotcha :)
[13:04] <mydogsnameisrudy> BluesKaj:  is retired has nothing to do ;)
[13:04] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy, ahem ... arent you retired too :)
[13:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> shhhhhh
[13:05] <o0Tao0o> lol...  Seriously tho.. noobitus is a serious problem
[13:06] <BluesKaj> o0Tao0o, noobitus?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> ok , got it ...
[13:07] <mydogsnameisrudy> being noob  = noobitus
[13:07] <BluesKaj> I'm still on my first cup o' coffee . :_)
[13:08] <o0Tao0o> BluesKaj:  yes... caused by a daily onslaught of irritated, noobs asking silly questions.  It eventually has deep psychological effects
[13:09] <BluesKaj> o0Tao0o, yes , we see that a lot , and it makes me think we have a whole generation that feels entitled to instant answers
[13:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> cant think for themself and cant read ...
[13:10] <schninkel> ... and definitely can't write ! (:trollface)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy, they've spoonfed by their politically correct parents to think that way
[13:11]  * mydogsnameisrudy is not politcally correct ;)
[13:11]  * schninkel is not pilositycally correct
[13:11] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy, the parents think they are
[13:14] <o0Tao0o> omg... the whole room is suffering from it  lol  :O
[13:16] <BluesKaj> then we have lurkers who join , but never participate
[13:18] <o0Tao0o> not lurkitus too!!  hmm, i think i better get some medical help in here  :/
[13:19] <Pici> !offtopic
[13:19] <BluesKaj> there it is ..our friendly reminder of the day :)
[13:20]  * o0Tao0o considers himself told.
[13:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> seems we were talking about channel official code of conduct
[13:20] <Pici> These aren't support questions though.  Feel free to talk about it in #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok thank you
[13:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> the silence is deafening
[13:26] <o0Tao0o> SILENCE YOU!
[13:31] <sasho> тук да има българи случайно
[13:37] <BluesKaj> !ru | sasho
[13:37] <lordievader> Good afternoon everyone
[13:37] <dkeenaghan> o/
[13:39] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader ..... I"m fine , how're you ? :)
[13:39] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj, I'm doing good :)
[14:02] <phoenix_firebrd> bbl
[14:04] <munny> hi all
[14:05] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello munny
[14:05] <munny> with kde 4.9 anyone has crash if you try to open systemsettings/plasma settings?
[14:06] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm BluesKaj has been running it with no problems maybe he will jump in here
[14:07] <BluesKaj> munny, have you run an update/upgrade yet today , there's a fix in the repositories
[14:09] <munny> BluesKaj: i try to update justo now
[14:11] <munny> BluesKaj: i've 197 packages update.... i think i must run upgrade! ;)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> munny, yes :)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> BRB , Have to upgrade 12.04 on the other drive
[14:27] <dougl> trying to config new printer (samsung clp-320) under kubuntu 12.04 and there is no clp-320 so I went out on the net and got/found one and installed printer but it does not print to my printer that is on my windows server - any suggestions?
[14:28] <dougl> all other machine print to the printer shared on windows xp but the print job on the 12.04 machine shows up in the print queue but never goes to the windows machine
[14:30] <hazamonzo_> Hey folks. I know there is an imagebin plasma desktop widget but what about one to upload youtube videos easily?
[14:30] <hazamonzo_> Imagebin / pastebin
[14:40] <decci> Hi Guys
[14:40] <decci> I have OpenLDAP installed on Ubuntu. Am Unable to connect to LDAP server. How can I fix this?
[14:41] <decci> ldap_sasl_bind(SIMPLE): Can't contact LDAP server (-1)
[14:47] <BluesKaj> o0Tao0o, any luck with the scripting or are they uneditbles that run off commands?
[14:49] <munny> BluesKaj: i just upgraded but still crash
[14:49] <o0Tao0o> BluesKaj: yeah.  thanks.  I get it now i think :)
[14:50] <BluesKaj> http://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Scripts/Scripting_guide , o0Tao0o here ?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> o0Tao0o, I'm curious about scripting , never relly learned much about it , it's an empty file in my computer knowledge :)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> base
[14:52] <o0Tao0o> BluesKaj: well that looks like a better link. :D    I just needed to know if it wasw possible and how.  Your first link gave me enough to work with ;)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ok good
[14:53] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/FFmpeg+Peace+Service+Menu++%28Back+Pain%29?content=153109
[14:57] <munny> BluesKaj: i' removed dekorator and smaragd packages and systemsettings works now... this is a bug?
[14:57] <munny> or packages must be updated?
[15:02] <dougl> anyone in that has knowlege/experience... trying to get my 12.04 machine to print to my sansung clp-320 via samba connected to my windows xp machine with not much luck - print job spools to local queue on 12.04 and sits there for a while then gets held and never ends up in the queue on my windows box...
[15:03] <dougl> samba is config'd correctly - 12.04 prints to cx5000 on xp machine via samba perfectly.
[15:03] <dougl> help :)_
[15:04] <Peace-> mm
[15:04] <dougl> ?
[15:05]  * dougl is even trolling for a sounding board - all out of guesses.
[15:05] <Peace-> http://localhost:631/ dougl
[15:06] <dougl> cups 1.5.3
[15:08] <Peace-> dougl: have you tried to configure all the stuff for your printer in that page ?
[15:08] <dougl> I have 3 instances of the printer installed but no matter what printer I print from it goes to the same queue - normal?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> munny, not sure if it's applicable to your situation ..there was a bug associated with system settings , but the fix is in the repos
[15:09] <dougl> Peace-, no... just installed it the same way I installed the cx5000 served up on the windows box
[15:09] <Peace-> dougl:  i would give it a try
[15:09] <dougl> thanks
[15:10] <mck182> Riddell: hey, I have a problem while trying to update to KDE 4.9 from backports in 12.04, complains about kdelibs5 -- http://paste.kde.org/527726/
[15:10] <mck182> am I missing something?
[15:12] <Riddell> mck182: kdelibs5 no longer exists in 4.9, what are you doing to upgrade?
[15:12] <mck182> basically selecting all packages and doing "upgrade" ;)
[15:12] <mck182> all /upgradable/ packages
[15:12] <Peace-> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:12] <Peace-> => never failed
[15:13] <mck182> oh wait, there's a different upgrade for kdelibs5
[15:13] <mck182> I think I don't have the latest kde updates from stable
[15:21] <dougl> Peace-, got it, kinda thanks ...
[15:21] <dougl> html interface showed error in the name of the printer being served up but now it prints double spaced... any thots on that
[15:50] <dougl> when I print to my samsung clp320 I get 2 images horizontally and printed every other line - any suggestions?
[16:05] <D4mG1rl> barjavel.freenode.net :PONG to
[17:16] <dcorbin_wrk> Since a recent upgrade to 12.04, I find X gets into a "mode" where its' consuming 100% of 1 CPU.  How can I track down the cause of this behavior?
[17:16] <dcorbin_wrk> (top says 100% for Xorg)
[17:21] <dougl> how do I reset/reinstall cups in all it's default glory
[17:21] <dougl> ?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> dougl, probly just sudo apt-get install cups , if you removed it
[17:31] <BluesKaj> dougl, otherwise it's , sudo apt-get install --reinstall cups
[17:31] <dougl> BluesKaj, removing it is the trick... that is what I dont know how to do - How to delete cups and all its 'fluff'?
[17:32] <BluesKaj> dougl, sudo apt-get purge cups
[17:33] <dougl> BluesKaj, :) thanks, you spoil me.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> if it leaves any cups libs or config file behind that will show up inn the konsole , just run the command again and that should get rid of it all.
[17:38] <dougl> k
[17:38] <dougl> thanks BluesKaj
[17:38] <drostie> What has happened as far as Canonical disowning Kubuntu and the Council elections and the rest of that uncertainty?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu is now supported by Blue Systems , they hired one of the devs to help support it , drostie
[17:40] <drostie> BluesKaj: is Blue Systems going to sell support to make a revenue stream out of it like Canonical did?
[17:41] <DarthFrog> drostie: I don't think that is known yet.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> drostie, don't know ..that remains to be seen
[17:43] <DarthFrog> drostie: Canonical still supports Kubuntu, as a community-driven derivative.  It's not been abandoned, just relegated back to the status it used to have, along with the others (Xubuntu, Lubuntu).
[17:43] <DarthFrog> So I imagine that Canonical regards Blue Systems supporting Kubuntu as part of the community support/development.
[17:45] <drostie> DarthFrog: I think I missed whatever you said immediately prior.
[17:46] <BluesKaj> drostie, http://blue-systems.com/
[17:49] <drostie> BluesKaj: ooh yay, the Blue Systems page is no longer a black screen of linkdeath. :D
[17:50] <drostie> BluesKaj: but still won't sell me a KDE T-shirt. :<
[17:50] <DarthFrog> Do they sell shirts?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> I think Kubuntu.org has some on their site
[17:51] <chachan> how long could it take to have 4.9 on stable?
[17:53] <DarthFrog> chachan: 4.9 is in backports, I'm running right now.
[17:53] <chachan> DarthFrog, well, I mean, not in backports :)
[17:53] <DarthFrog> chachan: Then you'll have to wait till Quantal, probably.
[17:54] <DarthFrog> chachan: Don't forget, Precise is a LTS.
[17:54] <DarthFrog> i.e. you don't screw up stable. :-)
[17:54] <chachan> hm, well, it's just two months...
[17:54] <chachan> yes, I wouldn't like to add backports
[17:55] <chachan> or maybe I'll try :)
[17:56] <dougl> bummer - CUPS is messed now... cant print to either printer now, cups (http://localhost:631/printers/CLP-320splc) says
[17:56] <dougl> Print Test Page CLP-320splc Error
[17:56] <dougl> Unable to print test page:
[17:56] <dougl>     No such file or directory
[17:57] <FloodBotK1> dougl: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:57] <dougl> sorry.
[18:06] <frank___> Hi Guys, i have at 4.9 heavy CPU load from Virtuoso. Is there a workaroud ?
[18:10] <frank___> No one any ideas ?
[18:15] <livingdaylight_> hi
[18:17] <livingdaylight_> trying to put iso on usb using unetbootin. it detects sdc but says I need to mount it to a mountpoint? I don't recall ever needing to do that on other distros and not sure what it actually means. USB has been detected; which I understand as having been mounted. Can someone explain, please??
[18:38] <pb> where do you find the settings for  your DE's
[18:38] <pb> eh nvm I remembered.
[18:39] <pb> k  now where do you find the settings for enabling different task bars for each screen. is that the task bar settings?
[18:40] <sprash> Hi. I'm using kubuntu for the first time in years.
[18:41] <Marizz> how can i see what's taking a lot of CPU/memory on kde?
[18:42] <pb> command Top
[18:43] <dougl> after purging cups and reinstalling I get the error There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-not-found' trying to print to my samba shared (win xp) printer - any suggestions?
[18:43] <sprash> You should definitely package Calligra office suite instead of libre office.
[18:44] <sprash> Also the most important plasmoid is missing: a transparent console.
[18:53] <pb> to answere my own questions. Taskbar settings
[18:55] <pb> can you add "split window" like in dolphin to natulus?
[18:55] <pb> does natulus have this option allready?
[18:55] <pb> or can you enable visible menu bar in dolphin?
[19:00] <DarthFrog> pb: htop is much better than top.
[19:00] <pb> what is that friend?
[19:00] <bazhang> !info htop | pb
[19:01] <pb> apt-get install Htop?
[19:01] <Daskreech> pb: Yes
[19:01] <Guest39817> salve
[19:01] <pb> ill give it a look.. ty
[19:01] <Daskreech> pb: though F3 is a lot faste
[19:01] <Daskreech> !it
[19:02] <Daskreech> s/faste/faster
[19:02] <pb> !info F3 | pb
[19:03] <Daskreech> pb: I mean in dolphin. Press F3
[19:03] <pb> yea figured that after i typed it. hah
[19:03] <pb> does f3 work for all file managers?
[19:03] <livingdaylight> hi Daskreech
[19:04] <Daskreech> hi livingdaylight
[19:04] <Daskreech> pb: No idea :-)
[19:05] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, you know #237 you posted on winehq; I don't see it any more and issue isn't resolved
[19:06] <pb> htop in software center is system processe viewer.
[19:06] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: How did you check?
[19:07] <pb> oh you were talking about when I said top command earlier.  hah.
[19:07] <Daskreech> pb: it's a replacement for top which is a system process viewer
[19:07] <pb> your right it is better.
[19:07] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, I don't see #237 on their board. I also tried running winetricks vcrun6 again, and still get the same error. Looks like their still using the enu link
[19:07] <Daskreech> pb: Isn'tit??!! :)
[19:08] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Did you download the new script from the repo?
[19:09] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, no, didn't know I had to download somehting new. just ran the command as usual
[19:10] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Right ... but ... you didn't think they would reach in to your computer and tamper with your files do you?
[19:12] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, I don't know how it works. I thought they had to change something at their end and running the command would link to the new link
[19:12] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: ah that would be good but I think that wouldn't work for this file
[19:14] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: The point for that file is that there is no legal way for them to be a middle person to deliver it
[19:14]  * livingdaylight is confused
[19:15] <pb> hmm wierd I cant find Naut anywhere on my kde.. even tho I was just running it a minute ago
[19:15] <livingdaylight> what is the fix? and why is 237 no longer on their list?
[19:17] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: They fix it in the code. Next time that you update you get the new code with the fix
[19:18] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, right, so if I have a wine ppa, then I'd get the update before the next buntu release, presuming they've fixed it in the code already
[19:18] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: eeeeeh
[19:18] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Couple of steps before that happens :)
[19:18] <Daskreech> but yeah I'd expect you'd get an update soon
[19:19] <livingdaylight> Daskreech, have they posted a fix in the meantime, in terms fo a script?
[19:20] <livingdaylight> still don't understand why your post #237 is not listed any longer
[19:20] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: Probably not.
[19:20] <Daskreech> pb: Nautilus ?
[19:20] <pb> yea. its np tho
[19:22] <Combatjuan> Can someone tell me if I'm crazy?  If I do Alt-F2, 'echo $TERM > ~/out.txt" and look at out.txt, it says xterm.  Did the "terminal" of the krunner command change recently?
[19:22] <Daskreech> livingdaylight: They will post a fix to the code that they tested and file the bug as resolved. Someone will review it and flip the bug to closed. Someone will take the update and package it then drop it in a ppa which you will get
[19:22] <Combatjuan> I had some scripts that were relying on it not being 'xterm' (which is kind of crummy), but am I crazy to think that this maybe changed in the past few weeks?
[19:22] <Daskreech> could take a day or two from them putting the bug as resolved to you getting it
[19:22] <Daskreech> or a few hours.. depends
[19:23] <Daskreech> Combatjuan: That depends. Does echo $TERM do something different in konsole?
[19:23] <Combatjuan> konsole also says it's xterm
[19:24] <Combatjuan> It used to as well.  I used to be able to check $TERM and figure out if I was in konsole or Alt-F2.  If the latter, I'd open a new konsole session, if the former, I'd open a tab.  But that doesn't work anymore.
[19:24] <Daskreech> Combatjuan: well switch it there
[19:24] <Combatjuan> You mean make konsole not be $TERM=xterm?
[19:25] <Daskreech> sure
[19:25] <Combatjuan> I thought various tools (vi in particular?) checked the $TERM variable for xtermness to enable features.  So I'd hate to change that.
[19:25] <Daskreech> pb: alt+F2 -> nautilus  ?
[19:27] <pb> there it goes.. ty Daskreech
[19:27] <Daskreech> Tada!
[19:28] <pb> its magic!
[19:28] <Daskreech> Combatjuan: what was the output for alt+F2 before ?
[19:29] <Combatjuan> I don't recall.  )-8  Maybe the empy string?
[19:29] <Daskreech> Hmm that would be strange
[19:30] <Combatjuan> It looks like my env is the same between the two except for WINDOWID (not useful), SHELL_SESSION_ID (not useful), PWD (not quite), KONSOLE_DBUS_SESSION (nope), and _ (might work?)
[19:33] <Combatjuan> Yeah, using "$_ = /usr/bin/krunner" works.  I have no doubt that's a hack, but I'll take it.
[19:34] <Daskreech> Combatjuan: no I think that's working as intended
[19:34] <Combatjuan> Oh good.
[19:42] <DarthFrog> http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/08/how-to-install-kde-4-9-available-immediately-for-kubuntu/
[19:54] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, wonder what  the -y means in the backport deb apt-add command means ?
[19:54] <DarthFrog> Probably to answer Yes to the "Add Key?" question.
[19:54] <DarthFrog> Would be my guess.
[19:55]  * BluesKaj getting repititious in my old age
[19:55] <BluesKaj> ok , just never seen it before
[19:58] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: alt+f2 -> man:/apt-add-repository
[19:58] <DarthFrog> Doesnt' work
[19:59] <Daskreech> because I can't spell
[19:59] <DarthFrog> Nor is there anything relevant from "apt-add-repository -?"
[20:00] <Daskreech> man:/add-apt-repository
[20:00] <Daskreech> I'm a dofus :)
[20:00] <DarthFrog> That works.  And it is to answer Yes. :-)
[20:00] <DarthFrog> But a good looking doofus. :-)
[20:00] <Daskreech> The kamera:/ doesn't lie
[20:01] <DarthFrog> Yet "man apt-add-repository" says there's no man page.
[20:02] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, no matter , I already have the backport and key and KDe 4.9 installed ...was just curious about what the -y meant in apt-add command, "-y, --yes Assume yes to all queries"
[20:04] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: yep
[20:05] <Daskreech> better than trying to figure out yes
[20:05] <BluesKaj> yes sounds dangerous though
[20:06] <Daskreech> which is why it's an option :)
[20:06] <Daskreech> though I have seen people alias it as the default
[20:06] <Daskreech> which is particularly dangerous
[20:06] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  As usual, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, Linux will hand you the gun. :-)
[20:07] <DarthFrog> If you want to use the command line, you should know what you're doing.  Or be looking forward to learning a lot of Linux to correct the problems you cause. :-)
[20:07] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: But you have to compile it first
[20:08] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: Oh, that's so old school. :-)  I've not had to compile anything manually for a very long time.
[20:08]  * Daskreech does look forward to fixing his problems ^_^
[20:08] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: How do you get the new featureful buggy guns then?
[20:08] <DarthFrog> I don't think I've compiled a kernel since I started using Kubuntu.
[20:09] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, I'm particularly cautious about commands that I'm not familiar with ...i learned that lesson a while back :P
[20:09] <Daskreech> I have but that's cause I broke something v_v
[20:09] <Daskreech> \o/ learning is fun
[20:09] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: I wait and let others do the beta testing first. :-)  I don't like bleeding on the cutting edge.
[20:10] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  You have good judgement.  Good judgement comes with experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> I don't mind testing since i installed this drive from my other linux pc that lost the mobo a few months ago , so i run 12.04 on the main drive and 12.10 on the old one.
[20:15] <BluesKaj> one of my bandmates is going to try kubuntu , when has the time , unfortunately he installed ubuntu as his first linux experience andhis mouse and KB froze so he couldn't use it. He was ready to give up on linux after that.
[20:16] <Daskreech> boo
[20:16] <DarthFrog> Not a good out of the box experience.
[20:16] <BluesKaj> brand new pc as well ,that's what bothered me about it
[20:18] <Daskreech> I normally expect newer things to not work with Linux
[20:18] <Daskreech> not enough time and penetration to get drivers worked on
[20:20] <BluesKaj> I think he's going to give kubuntu a try ...new as in new to him. bought it on clearance sale , so it isn't "new" as in just put on the market
[20:20] <DarthFrog> Even so, mouse & KB are hardly cutting edge hardware.
[20:22] <mydogsnameisrudy> most the time its eather no sound , or video problems?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> yeah ..hate to start telling ppl to drop to the TTY to run commands or the recovery kernel on their first try with linux
[20:23] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Ah ok
[20:23] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Normally I just take their computer for two days and sort it out
[20:24] <Daskreech> If I can get them to stick with it for a month they can usually appreciate it
[20:24] <Daskreech> course some people are just not ever going to use Linux
[20:24] <DarthFrog> Which is fine, because they'd never be happy with linux.
[20:24] <BluesKaj> it only underlines what the other guys in the band (one's an IT experienced) say about Linux ...it's for tinkerers ...windows is for users ..hard to argue with that when his system freezes
[20:25] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Though I don't like Unity, Ubuntu is for folks like him.
[20:25] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: I'd disagree I know many non tinkerer who use Linux
[20:26] <DarthFrog> But if he comes to Linux with a sour attitude, he'll never be happy with it.
[20:26] <Daskreech> Windows I'd put as power users who don't want to tinker
[20:26] <Graf_Westerholt> You have to tinker Windows much more than Linux.
[20:27] <Daskreech> you can get linux to a non tinker spot and use the blue bolts out of it much better than windows
[20:27] <Daskreech> Graf_Westerholt: if you take it to a high bar that's certainly not true
[20:27] <Daskreech> on average yes that's true
[20:27] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, of course I disagreed , but that's the perception of ppl who take MS certification courses ...but they don't want to hear about linux servers
[20:27] <Daskreech> Linux does give you enough tools to get yourself into trouble. Windows simply doesn't
[20:27] <DarthFrog> I say that you can tinker to your heart's content with Kubuntu but it's not necessary to tinker with it.
[20:28] <mydogsnameisrudy> what fun is there in not tinkering
[20:28] <Daskreech> mydogsnameisrudy: productivity ?
[20:28] <mydogsnameisrudy> not fun
[20:28] <Daskreech> It's a bit like people who like building plane engines and wings
[20:28] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, I've been in plenty of trouble with windows as well, before i discovered linux
[20:29] <Daskreech> It's a bit confusing to them that people just want to get in planes and fly
[20:29] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Yes but did you have the tools to fix the trouble? :)
[20:29] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, yeah , it was called reinstall  :)
[20:30] <Daskreech> I'm still very amused that is considered a tool
[20:30] <Daskreech> There is a problem with my house's roof
[20:30] <Daskreech> Oh well burn it to the ground and get new wallpapers while you are rebuilding it
[20:30] <BluesKaj> well when you have is a sledgehammer
[20:31] <Daskreech> hopefully at some point the roof takes care of itself
[20:31] <BluesKaj> all you have is
[20:32] <Daskreech> There are people I direct to just use Windows and use OSX
[20:32] <Daskreech> I'm getting to the point where there are some people I'll tell just get an Android tablet
[20:32] <BluesKaj> 4,9 seems ok here ...haven't had any system settings crashes like others
[20:38] <Daskreech> it would be nice to have a 1000 cuts project for kubuntu but Ithink that too many of the issues are so much lower in the stack
[20:38] <Daskreech> X needs some serious fixing, video drivers are horrible and the sound systems need coherence
[20:39] <bak> hi
[20:39] <bak> need help
[20:39] <bak> m using kubuntu 11.04 on dell inspiron
[20:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> whats the problem bak
[20:40] <bak> i installed nvidia-current I guess I am not writing the xorg.conf correctly
[20:40] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: There was an announcement the other day of a new audio system for linux, klang.  It'll be in the kernel (if accepted, of course).
[20:41] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, yeah , like 2 intel hda chips , one in the soundcard and the other in graphics linked to the hdmi output really threw wrench into setting up the sound ...still don't know if it's fixable ..confusing for new users to say the least
[20:41] <Daskreech> bak: what's happening ?
[20:41] <bak> not starting gui
[20:41] <bak> followed this
[20:41] <bak> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?58294-How-to-install-Nvidia-Drivers-in-Kubuntu
[20:41] <DarthFrog> Daskreech:  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1MDc
[20:42] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: thanks
[20:42] <bak> to write xorg.conf
[20:42] <BluesKaj> klang sounds too "canonical" for my taste :)
[20:42] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  But it should be fine for KDE, having a "k". :-)
[20:43] <Daskreech> bak: can you pastebin your xorg.conf
[20:43] <bak> ok
[20:43] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: X_X k reads as Kernel tomost people. Sounds basically like pulseaudio just thrown further down the stack to me
[20:43] <bak> http://pastebin.com/8Hc9bmwF
[20:44] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: If it cleans up the dog's breakfast that is audio on Linux, I'll be happy.
[20:45] <Daskreech> bak: no that's not going to work
[20:45] <bak> how do i update Daskreech
[20:46] <Daskreech> bak: run sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo nvidia-xconfigure
[20:46] <Daskreech> then run sudo service kdm start
[20:48] <bak> It is saying nvidia-xconfigure command not found
[20:50] <Daskreech> bak: Did you install the nvidia driver ?
[20:50] <bak> yes
[20:51] <bak> if i say sudo dkms status
[20:51] <bak> output: nvidia-current 302.17 added
[20:52] <Daskreech> how did you add that driver?
[20:52] <bak> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[20:53] <bak> i am able to see nvidia x server settings in menu
[20:55] <bak> is that installed properly?
[20:56] <BluesKaj> bak, it's best to use kmenu>apps>system>addtional drivers
[20:56] <BluesKaj> bak aka jockey
[20:57] <bak> it showing that no proprieterty drivers installed in your system
[20:58] <BluesKaj> bak yes , but look at the list below and choose the recommend driver and activate
[20:58] <bak> *use
[20:59] <bak> list is empty
[21:05] <bak> how do i do now ? mine is dell inspiron N5110
[21:06] <mydogsnameisrudy> lspci shows nvidia card?
[21:07] <BluesKaj> bak this is a method that's tried and true , copied from a tutorial , http://pastebin.com/VutsTuWP
[22:28] <footroot> hello
[22:30] <mydogsnameisrudy> hello footroot
[22:30] <footroot> hello there!!!
[22:31] <footroot> hey mydog, knows you how to get more channels
[22:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> what channel are you looking for
[22:33] <footroot> I don know, just more channels. this is first time i chat in a irc
[22:34] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok well you can do /join #ubuntu
[22:34] <mydogsnameisrudy> and /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:37] <footroot> so join is the command to go inside a chat. but what is the command to knows differents channels?
[22:37] <footroot> maybe ""offtopic""
[22:37] <mydogsnameisrudy> you need to   /join then channel name like #kubuntu
[22:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> i just google for the channel im lookin for
[22:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> depends on what your are trying to find
[22:38] <footroot> I'm inside this channel already
[22:38] <mydogsnameisrudy> i think xchat has a search engine in it
[22:39] <Daskreech> footroot: you can type /list
[22:39] <footroot> ok
[22:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah thx Daskreech
[22:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;)
[22:39] <footroot> Thank Daskreech
[22:42] <levis> hi, is there any repo for updated chromium versions? I've one, but the last is 18.x, now there is 21.x
[22:45] <Daskreech> I think so
[22:48] <Daskreech> footroot: Are you looking for channels or servers?
[22:55] <footroot> Daskrech i'm looking for both. i'm trying to knows how to work with Quassel


[19:22] <ryebot> Hey guys, I'm seeing 502 errors whenever I try to `charm attach` a resource. Is something wrong right now, or any idea what I might be doing wrong?
[19:31] <rick_h> uiteam ^
[19:32] <ryebot> rick_h: ah, sorry, didn't realize you were directing that at me earlier. lame question, but how can I reach them?
[19:33] <rick_h> ryebot: I'm poking them about it.
[19:33] <ryebot> rick_h: oh, awesome, thank you
[19:38] <rogpeppe> ryebot: have you got the full comand output?
[19:38] <rogpeppe> ryebot: how big is the resource?
[19:38] <ryebot> 9.2MB, one sec I'll link you a gist
[19:38] <ryebot> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/wwwtyro/b8529784d99f7441f02c8b7935fdefdd/raw/282931bf827a4a6638e4b74b3e93ce58eb0ea4e6/gistfile1.txt
[19:42] <arosales> hmm did we lose rogpeppe ?
[19:42] <ryebot> arosales: seems like it
[19:43] <arosales> rick_h: any other folks aware of what may cause "ERROR can't upload resource: cannot post resource: cannot unmarshal error response"
[19:43] <arosales> blocking some of the k8 development atm :-/
[19:43] <rick_h> please have them jump in #juju-gui and complain there.
[19:43] <arosales> rick_h: we are :-)
[19:43] <rick_h> arosales: ryebot's been hitting issues and roger is poking at it last I saw
[19:43] <arosales> that is ryebot
[19:43] <ryebot> hello!
[19:44] <arosales> rick_h: indeed just looks like rog is no longer here
[19:44] <ryebot> :)
[19:44] <rick_h> arosales: doh, he's traveling on a train today so guessing he dropped
[19:45] <arosales> We can also log a bug a Canonical Ltd, and hold tight there as well. Just wanted to check with folks here since it was holding up some of the k8 dev
[19:51] <arosales> ryebot: I wonder if you are hitting https://github.com/juju/charmstore-client/issues/96
[19:52] <ryebot> arosales: yeah, looks like the same 502
[19:54] <ryebot> arosales: My resource should be small enough (I've uploaded larger), and I am including the version. Hmm.
[19:55] <arosales> hmmm, indeed. Well I commented on https://github.com/juju/charmstore-client/issues/96
[19:56] <ryebot> fwiw, Cynerva was able to repro
[19:56] <arosales> if the uiteam has any sights on the failure, same problem as issue 96, of if we should open a new bug please give us a ping.
[19:57] <rogpeppe> ryebot: sorry if you've responded to my questions - my connectivity is terrible currently. probably not worth trying to interact further.
[19:57] <rogpeppe> ryebot: (i'm in transit)
[19:57] <ryebot> rogpeppe: np, good luck!
[19:57] <arosales> rogpeppe: info @ https://github.com/juju/charmstore-client/issues/96
[19:57] <arosales> rogpeppe: and https://gist.githubusercontent.com/wwwtyro/b8529784d99f7441f02c8b7935fdefdd/raw/282931bf827a4a6638e4b74b3e93ce58eb0ea4e6/gistfile1.txt
[19:58] <rogpeppe> arosales: ta
[19:58] <arosales> rogpeppe: thanks for the help
[20:00] <rogpeppe> arosales: this does seem like the "large attachment" issue
[20:00] <rogpeppe> arosales: and to fix it we need to support multipart uploads, which is a big change
[20:00] <arosales> resource = 9.2MB
[20:00] <ryebot> rogpeppe even at 9.2MB?
[20:05] <rogpeppe> ryebot: hmm, hopefully not indeed
[20:05] <rogpeppe> ryebot: unless you've got a slow upload speed
[20:06] <ryebot> rogpeppe: 6Mbps, not stellar, but enough for larger uploads to work previously
[20:06] <rogpeppe> ryebot: yeah, should be fine. 30s is when things fall down.
[20:06] <ryebot> rogpeppe: ah cool good to know, I'm gonna time it
[20:07] <rogpeppe> ryebot: good idea
[20:07] <ryebot> rogpeppe: 17s
[20:47] <arosales> ryebot: could you also add that info to the issue?
[20:47] <ryebot> arosales: right away
[20:47] <arosales> upload speed and tine, specifically
[20:48] <ryebot> arosales: done
[20:49] <arosales> ryebot: thanks
[22:24] <ryebot> rogpeppe: arosales figured my problem out, user error
[22:29] <arosales> ryebot: a solution no less, what was the issue?
[22:29] <ryebot> arosales: I munged a metadata.yaml file incorrectly and ended up with stale resource definitions
[22:31] <arosales> ryebot: ah, glad you found the issue
[22:32] <ryebot> arosales: thanks :)
[22:41]  * arosales didn't do much but thanks to rick_h and rogpeppe for the replies here
[22:41] <arosales> ryebot: could you also reply in the issue with your results just for completeness?


[01:44] <Ionic> okay
[01:44] <Ionic> cloned the branch to a private +junk one
[01:44] <Ionic> cloned the recipe
[01:44] <Ionic> let's go building this...
[01:54] <Ionic> hm, that failed, looks like I'm missing something
[02:07] <Ionic> hm, the failure is probably because it's missing a ppa at build time
[02:16] <Ionic> via "edit dependencies" somewhere, ok
[02:25] <Ionic> hmmm...
[02:25] <Ionic> we are using an own version of debhelper
[02:26] <Ionic> a rebuild only for lucid, though
[02:27] <Ionic> the other dists are using the normal ubuntu debhelper
[02:27] <Ionic> weird way to do a backport, but meh... that explains the build failure
[03:50] <Ionic> ok, that worked for all builds this time... diff time
[03:55] <Ionic> RAOF: yes, I can reproduce the problem by building on launchpad :(
[03:56] <RAOF> Ionic: ...!
[03:56] <Ionic> https://code.launchpad.net/~ionic/+archive/ubuntu/test-ppa/+packages
[03:56] <Ionic> the one commit that is different is touch dummy
[03:56] <Ionic> for launchpad to actually create new packages because of the first failure
[03:57] <Ionic> I bet if I was also pushing a dummy commit to the X2Go release repo, the new packages would be "broken"
[03:58] <Ionic> gonna diff the build logs now
[03:58] <Ionic> I have seen one difference already
[03:58] <Ionic> dpkg was updated
[03:58] <Ionic> patch version 9 to 10
[03:59] <Ionic> (I'm sorry if I'm getting on your nerves, but this is so very odd for me)
[04:01] <RAOF> Nah, that's ok. It's very odd for me, too :)
[04:02] <Ionic> libc versions differ, too, but that shouldn't... well, who knows
[04:02] <Ionic> it's related, to some degree
[04:03] <Ionic> and dpkg was updated from: Get:3·http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/·precise-security/main·dpkg·amd64·<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu7.5·[18... -> Get:3·http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu/·precise-security/main·dpkg·amd64·<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu7.6·[18...
[04:03] <RAOF> Is that using imake???
[04:04] <Ionic> yep
[04:04] <Ionic> it's based upon Xorg 6.9...
[04:04] <Ionic> I know, I know
[04:05] <RAOF> What's the underlinked library?
[04:05] <RAOF> Or binary, I guess.
[04:06] <Ionic> other differences: multiarch-support updated, binutils updated, dpkg-dev updated, libdpkg-perl updated
[04:06] <Ionic> underlinked binary: usr/lib/nx/bin/nxagent (package nxagent)
[04:06] <Ionic> actually, it's not really "underlinked"
[04:06] <Ionic> the library shows up in ldd's output, but not in DT_NEEDED
[04:07] <Ionic> so it's "underlinked", in quotes
[04:07] <Ionic> libssl has also been updated, but I figure that's unimportant
[04:07] <RAOF> Highly likely.
[04:07] <Ionic> just like gpgv and gnupg
[04:08] <Ionic> or libgrypt* or libtasn* or gnutls...
[04:08] <Ionic> (the security team seems to be doing its job, though, so I'll give you that)
[04:08] <RAOF> Have you determined whether nxagent directly uses symbols from the things in ldd but not DT_NEEDED? Because if it doesn't then this is expected (and should be harmless) behaviour.
[04:08] <RAOF> Yeah, our security team is on the ball :)
[04:09] <Ionic> I haven't done that
[04:11] <Ionic> I'll checkout the debug symbols and take a look
[04:12] <Ionic> it seems not to be using XDamage* symbols
[04:12] <Ionic> (at least not according to nm ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/nx/bin/nxagent | grep -i XDamage)
[04:13] <RAOF> You can also find that with objdump -T nxagent | grep UND; that'll give you the list of symbols that need to be resolved to load nxagent.
[04:15] <RAOF> And objdump -T $CANDIDATE_LIBRARY | grep .text will get you the list of symbols exported from that library.
[04:16] <RAOF> It *should* be possible to do some seddery or something to match these up; that's left as an exercise for the reader :)
[04:16] <RAOF> But if the binary isn't directly using the XDamage* symbols then it shouldn't be getting a DT_NEEDED entry against the library providing those symbols.
[04:19] <Ionic> looks like there are really no symbols used
[04:20] <RAOF> Doesn't explain why you're only just seeing this, of course.
[04:22] <Ionic> yep
[04:23] <Ionic> I kinda bet it was the dpkg update
[04:23] <Ionic> err, dpkg-dev
[04:23] <Ionic> dpkg-gensymbols is part of dpkg-dev, sorry
[04:24] <RAOF> But that's not going to change whether or not nxagent is actually linked with libnxdamage, though.
[04:24] <RAOF> Hm, lunch time!@
[04:27] <Ionic> yes
[04:27] <Ionic> so, even while no symbols are being used, we still link to libnx-xdamage1 etc.
[04:27] <Ionic> making the binary fail to start if that library is not available
[04:43] <RAOF> Ionic: But I thought you said nxagent had no DT_NEEDED entry for libnx-xdamage? That would imply that it *doesn't* need libnx-xdamage (except if some library it *does* use needs libnx-xdamage, in which case that library should carry the dependency).
[04:44] <Ionic> RAOF: yes, but the makefile is still linking to it
[04:44] <Ionic> which is probably wrong to begin with
[04:45] <RAOF> If the binary doesn't have a DT_NEEDED entry, then the binary is not linked with it. You'll be running into the -as-needed default there, I guess.
[04:46] <Ionic> well, gcc is not called with -Wl,-as-needed
[04:48] <RAOF> If I read the entrails of gcc -dumpspecs correctly, --as-needed is the default, so you'd need to explicitly pass --no-as-needed to disable it.
[04:48] <Ionic> hum
[04:51] <Ionic> looks like it
[04:52] <RAOF> It might be time to circle round to... what was the actual *problem* again? :)
[04:52] <Ionic> there's something else though, it also adds --no-add-needed
[04:53] <Ionic> but that looks like the default behavior anyway
[04:53] <Ionic> good question
[04:53] <Ionic> to be honest, I do not know what the *actual* problem is
[04:53] <Ionic> a user reported "it's not working"
[04:54] <Ionic> after he was told to run nxagent manually to see if it even starts up, he determined libnx-xdamage1, *xfixes* and *xtst* were missing on his system
[04:54] <Ionic> which made nxagent fail to start
[04:56] <Ionic> the weird part is that the libraries should still have been present on the system
[04:56] <RAOF> Lacking xfixes is a really “basically everything now fails” situation, yes.
[04:56] <Ionic> wait, let me look it up
[04:57] <Ionic> maybe it was damage, composite and tst
[04:57] <Ionic> oh, meh
[04:57] <Ionic> damage, randr and xtst
[04:57] <RAOF> That's still a “Apps using GTK or Qt don't start” situation.
[04:58] <RAOF> Hm.
[04:58] <Ionic> the weird part is that damage, randr and tst are dependencies of libxcompshad3
[04:59] <Ionic> ... which is a dependency of nxagent
[04:59] <RAOF> Have they just flat out broken their system?
[04:59] <Ionic> so I don't understand how the user got into his broken state in the first place
[04:59] <Ionic> possible
[04:59] <Ionic> because it doesn't make sense
[05:00] <Ionic> I though find it odd the the 3 libraries that he mentioned the three libraries that were explicitly removed from nxagent's Depends:
[05:00] <Ionic> (+ grammar)
[05:01] <RAOF> Yeah, that's curious.
[05:01] <Ionic> I though find it odd, that the 3 libraries that he mentioned were the packages "explicitly" (or rather implicitly though dh_shlibdeps) removed from nxagent's Depends:
[05:02] <Ionic> so I'm a little bit careful to blame it on user error
[05:02] <RAOF> What debugging output do you have from their system?
[05:03] <Ionic> (and I still don't know what causes the removal in the first place. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/202647030/dpkg_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu7.5_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu7.6.diff.gz looks totally unrelated... and that was the dpkg change)
[05:03] <Ionic> oh, don't go there
[05:03] <Ionic> an incomplete list of installed packages, because he grepped wrongly
[05:04] <Ionic> never told him, but the list isn't really helpful...
[05:04] <RAOF> Heh
[05:04] <Ionic> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.x2go.user/2937
[05:05] <Ionic> should have rather grepped for "nx" only...
[05:06] <Ionic> wrong message though
[05:06] <Ionic> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.x2go.user/2904
[05:12] <Ionic> at that point, he installed the libraries though, so I can't just ask him for the complete "old" output...
[05:12] <RAOF> And once he installed the libraries everything worked?
[05:12] <Ionic> looks like it
[05:12] <Ionic> "eureka" sounds like it fixed his problem
[05:13] <Ionic> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.x2go.user/2929
[05:41] <RAOF> Ionic: Hm... you've done some package splitting recently?
[05:44] <RAOF> I wonder if there isn't some combination of packages that would have satisfied dependencies without installing nx-xdamage et al...
[05:46] <Ionic> yep
[05:46] <Ionic> well, not splitting, but renaming
[05:46] <Ionic> from libnx-xdamage to libnx-xdamage IIRC
[05:46] <Ionic> err, from libnx-xdamage to libnx-xdamage1
[05:49] <Ionic> basically from unversioned lib packages to versioned lib packages
[05:52] <Ionic> I wouldn't know any solution set that would have been satisfied without the nx libs, though
[05:53] <Ionic> and the upgrade path looked smooth for other users
[05:53] <Ionic> (minus the first messup that broke stuff on ubuntu because launchpad is overriding the dist tag)
[06:53] <tjaalton> shouldn't libvirt-bin shutdown guests on vivid?
[06:54] <tjaalton> don't think the initscript is doing that, the upstart job did
[06:57] <tjaalton> hm, that or debian (guest) doesn't log shutdown
[08:25]  * mwhudson grumbles at git-buildpackage, pbuilder etc
[10:26] <ericsnow> pitti: ping
[11:25] <ricotz> Laney, hi, thanks for syncing youtube-dl -- would you mind doing the same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plank/+bug/1443773
[11:25] <Riddell> pitti: can you remind me again how to make a commit to apport?
[11:38] <Riddell> Sweet5hark: can we update the breeze icons in libreoffice or is it too late (asks the artists)
[12:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi doko
[12:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> you there?
[12:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> gcc version 5.0.1 20150413 (prerelease) [gcc-5-branch revision 222064] (Debian 5.1~rc1-1)
[12:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> I don't understand that "5.0.1" vs "5.1"
[12:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> did they make a mistake?
[12:46] <Riddell> pitti: I still have a couple of random breakages on proposed-migration, any thoughts on how to fix?
[13:29] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:30] <seb128> h
[13:30] <seb128> hey cyphermox
[13:31] <cyphermox> hey seb128
[13:33] <seb128> cyphermox, how is Canada?
[13:33] <cyphermox> I don't know, I'm in Texas :)
[13:33] <seb128> oh, ok
[13:33] <cyphermox> hehe
[13:34] <cyphermox> I think Catou said it was snowing yesterday again, a bit
[13:34] <seb128> waouh, winter is not over yet for you?!
[13:34] <seb128> here we are in summer mode
[13:34] <seb128> 25°C sunny
[13:34] <cyphermox> yeah, not quite there yet
[13:35] <cyphermox> also, Summer for abolished, there was a memo
[13:35] <seb128> lol
[13:35] <cyphermox> it's now 8 months winter, 2 months fall and two months spring
[13:35] <cyphermox> ;)
[13:37] <seb128> well, no summer is fine, if it means avoiding the 40°C days, but that's too much winter!
[13:41] <cyphermox> seb128: I agree ;)
[13:42] <pitti> good morning
[13:42] <cyphermox> seb128: but the fact that it's still winter and probably depressing to some people is the only way I can explain people fighting in universities in Quebec :P
[13:42] <pitti> Riddell: I committed your vivid apport fix to trunk, thanks
[13:42] <cyphermox> pitti: hey!
[13:42] <seb128> cyphermox, they do?!
[13:42] <pitti> Riddell: autopkgtest failures> which one?
[13:42] <cyphermox> sadly
[13:43] <ScottK> cyphermox: I always heard it was two seasons: winter and construction.
[13:44] <cyphermox> ScottK: sounds about right
[13:45] <Riddell> pitti: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#knewstuff
[13:45] <cyphermox> seb128: http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/montreal/2015/04/13/004-uqam-conflit-professeurs-critiquent-presidente-syndicat-nevert.shtml
[13:45] <seb128> urg
[13:45] <Riddell> pitti: but kate and okteta are both green in the builds
[13:45] <pitti> Riddell: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Vivid/view/AutoPkgTest/job/vivid-adt-okteta/lastBuild/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console
[13:45] <pitti> ^ kate failure, looks like an API change somewhere?
[13:45] <pitti> FTBFS
[13:45] <Riddell> pitti: "Server not found"
[13:45] <pitti> documentinfoview.cpp:29:23: fatal error: KIconLoader: No such file or directory
[13:46] <pitti> Riddell: ah, public jenkins is broken again? le sigh..
[13:46] <pitti> Riddell: I'll ask the CI team
[13:46] <Laney> we pinged them earlier
[13:47] <pitti> Laney: ah, thanks
[13:47] <pitti> Riddell: kate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10826776/
[13:47] <pitti> Riddell: sorry, that was okteta ^
[13:48] <pitti> Riddell: kate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10826784/
[13:51] <Riddell> thanks pitti
[14:27] <rbasak> pitti: may I have your opinion on bug 1444502 please? Odd situation that matsubara ended up in just now.
[14:27] <rbasak> dist-upgrade fixed it, but I think it should have been prevented by dependencies
[14:36] <pitti> rbasak: (sorry, sprint hectic/delay) I followed up to the bug with a quick proposal
[14:36] <pitti> does that sound alright to you?
[14:40] <rbasak> pitti: I think so, yes, since init pre-depends on systemd-sysv | upstart-sysv and both provide /sbin/runlevel.
[14:40] <rbasak> pitti: as long as there isn't some broader way to solve this?
[14:40] <pitti> rbasak: right, that was the idea; we don't want to hardcode systemd-sysv just yet, as we still want to support upstart-sysv for a while, and definiitvely need that on the phone
[14:40] <pitti> rbasak: well, "init" is Essential:
[14:41] <pitti> rbasak: it should really Not Happen™ that you don't have it
[14:41] <pitti> rbasak: it used to be not essential, so perhaps matsubara was upgraeding from intra-vivid where this wasn't the case
[14:41] <rbasak> pitti: ah, but that only happened recently, right? So matsubara might have had an older init package that wasn't essential?
[14:42] <rbasak> pitti: maybe safe to invalidate this bug then. An essential package does indirectly provide /sbin/runlevel.
[14:42] <pitti> rbasak: yeah; but "init" didn't exist in utopic/trusty either
[14:42] <rbasak> So only upgrade from beta is affected when not using dist-upgrade.
[14:42] <pitti> rbasak: I mean, apt-get upgrade from a previous release is already evil, bad, wrong, and crying "broken!"
[14:43] <pitti> I'm not sure if we can ever get this truly right, "upgrade" shold not exist really
[14:43] <pitti> "apt upgrade" is fine, but not apt-get upgrade
[14:43] <rbasak> pitti: so are you +1 to mark the bug Invalid?
[14:44] <pitti> rbasak: fine with me too
[14:45] <pitti> I don't think additional deps on init hurt, but I'm not sure how much of a real use case the above is
[14:45] <rbasak> Beta users need to know to dist-upgrade and not just apt-get upgrade.
[14:46] <seb128> tyhicks, hey, any news about the schroot/ecryptfs issues? if it's not fixed for vivid do you think we should add a note discouraging people who want to develop for ubuntu touch to enable ecryptfs?
[14:46] <rbasak> Other stuff will be broken too otherwise
[14:46] <tyhicks> seb128: hey - I'm hoping to get back to those bugs
[14:47] <pitti> rbasak: yeah, we basically never test/support apt-get upgrade; it's probably ok for -security/-updates in many cases, but not otherwise
[14:47] <tyhicks> seb128: there are some higher priority things that I've got to tend to first
[14:47] <matsubara> thanks rbasak, pitti
[14:48] <tyhicks> seb128: if we do add a note for users, it is important to note that it is *any* filesystem mounted at /home/USER and not just ecryptfs
[14:52] <seb128> tyhicks, right, but it's likely that not many users do create a speciifc /home/USER partition, where ecryptfs is a checkbox in the installer which is sort of recommended if you want more security
[14:52] <seb128> tyhicks, so ecryptfs is likely going to be the most common case
[14:54] <tyhicks> agreed
[15:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hmmm, Riddell asked about updating the icon theme for libreoffice/vivid again. Its low risk, but we are really later
[15:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128:  s/later/late/ your take?
[15:08] <seb128> Sweet5hark, I'm not in the release team, check with them I guess
[15:08] <seb128> it looks like the sort of change that can be SRUed to me
[15:09] <Sweet5hark> seb128: true. Its just replacing a tarball in ./debian ...
[15:10] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so, lets punt that for an sru ...
[15:10] <seb128> wfm
[15:10] <seb128> it's not an installation issue so SRU should be alright
[15:40] <pitti> Riddell: ah, kate succeeded now
[15:47] <doko> pitti, jibel: can you have a look at the gcc-4.8 migration?
[15:47] <doko> 4.9 it is
[20:02] <infinity> mvo: Will the lack of newline at the end of /etc/system-image/writable-paths cause problems?
[20:06] <rbasak> writable?
[20:06] <rbasak> I thought that was just Samba.
[20:08] <mvo> infinity: I think not, but I can double check
[21:17] <infinity> mvo: Did you determine that your lack of newline on your upload was fine?
[21:42] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone else unable to reach http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:46] <elfy> FunnyLookinHat: same
[21:46] <FunnyLookinHat> blech.
[21:46] <FunnyLookinHat> elfy, purduelug?
[21:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh nope - close to another nick I know :D
[21:47] <elfy> lol
[23:29] <infinity> pitti: Where are you?