[00:00] <Odd-rationale> can you give me the name of the iso? kubuntu-kde4-beta?
[00:00] <matt__> Odd-rationale: i've got the md5 hashsum thing brought up listing all the sums...
[00:00] <anais> alguien sabe como puedo hacer para configurar el video de mi portatil?
[00:01] <NickPresta> !es | anais
[00:01] <ubotu> anais: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[00:01] <matt__> Odd-rationale: alright, they match up.
[00:01] <Odd-rationale> matt__: which iso is this again?
[00:02] <matt__> Odd-rationale: 8.04 latest beta kde 3.5 i386
[00:02]  * Dr_willis walks in.  Had to go get the grandbaby. :)
[00:02] <Odd-rationale> matt__: did you burn the cd slooooowly?
[00:02] <matt__> Odd-rationale: no, i didn't now how to make cdrecord do that...
[00:03] <matt__> Dr_willis: ok...so booting to cd gives me ash=built in shell crap
[00:03] <matt__> Dr_willis: any ideas why this would happen?
[00:04] <matt__> Odd-rationale: Dr_willis you all still here?
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> matt__: is it busybox?
[00:05] <matt__> Odd-rationale: yes, that is what comes up
[00:05] <Dr_willis> sounds like a failier to burn properly, so its defaulting to the busybox shell.
[00:06]  * Odd-rationale agrees with Dr_willis
[00:06] <Dr_willis> I always use the alternative installer cd's  - they seem less critical of this stuff
[00:06]  * Odd-rationale agrees with Dr_willis again...
[00:06] <Dr_willis> I was thinking there was an 'install' option in the grub menu items on the cd's also that goes straight to the installer.
[00:06] <matt__> Dr_willis: i tried that one, same effect
[00:06] <matt__> Dr_willis: so if i could know how to burn a cd at 4x using cdrecord in terminal...i'll try again...
[00:07] <Dr_willis> Time to try a different cd/iso Im thinking.  -  it may be the image is bad.
[00:07] <Odd-rationale> matt__: "man cdrecord" ?
[00:07] <Enul132> can someone please tell me how to move my recycle bin from the panel to my desktop?
[00:07] <matt__> Dr_willis: it's not, i checked the md5 sum
[00:07] <matt__> unless it is bad altogether...
[00:07] <Dr_willis> Enul132,  ive gotten where i MUCH MUCH perfer it on the panel. :)
[00:08] <Enul132> ok.. but how do i get it from the panel to the desktop
[00:08] <Dr_willis> Enul132,  you just add a trashcan thing to the desktop. you dont have to 'move it from the panel' to the desktop
[00:08] <Dr_willis> you can have both
[00:08] <Dr_willis> some how.. :) in the kde settings somewhere thers a checkbox i recall
[00:09] <Dr_willis> with kde4 - the whole cluttered icons on the desktop is slowly being moved away from
[00:09] <Enul132> i know this is the kubuntu channel but since i cant seem to get anyones attention in the ubuntu channel i thought i would ask here
[00:09] <matt__> Dr_willis: Dr_willis so betweek kde4 and 3.5...which shall i download?
[00:09] <matt__> Dr_willis: has 4 improved a lot recently?
[00:09] <Dr_willis> matt__,  either one it dont matter.
[00:09] <matt__> Dr_willis: is 4 "usable" ??
[00:09] <Dr_willis> I installed the kde4 cd. then installed kde 3.5
[00:10] <SlimeyPete> kde4 is still a bit immature
[00:10] <Dr_willis> its useable. but missing a lot of features
[00:10]  * SlimeyPete is waiting a while
[00:10] <matt__> SlimeyPete: what i was thinking..
[00:10] <matt__> Dr_willis: but do you use it normall
[00:10] <matt__> Dr_willis: *normally?
[00:10] <user1> how to upgrade from command line if i have the downloaded the iso file? (not burned)
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> user1: mount the iso
[00:10] <matt__> user1: burn it and boot
[00:11] <Odd-rationale> user1: and follow the directions normally.
[00:11] <matt__> user1: sudo umount -o loop /path to iso/ /cdrom/
[00:11] <Odd-rationale>  /media/cdrom
[00:11] <user1> Odd-rationale how to mount
[00:11] <user1> matt__ ok.
[00:12] <matt__> Dr_willis: Odd-rationale so can you find me how to burn an iso using cdrecord at 4x?
[00:12] <Odd-rationale> matt__: did you "man cdrecord"?
[00:12] <stdin> ooh, ISO mounting, and I've almost completed my KDE4 version of MountFile :)
[00:12] <matt__> Odd-rationale: it is very long..but i will...
[00:13] <Dr_willis> I dont even have cdrecord installed here. to check its man pages
[00:13] <Dr_willis> use the search feature :)
[00:13] <Dr_willis> man cdrecord
[00:13] <Dr_willis>  / speed
[00:13] <Dr_willis> or simniler
[00:14] <user1> how to install guest addons for puel version of virtualbox. (i think its must for sharing files/partitions)? or is there any other way to share files?
[00:14] <Odd-rationale> !virtualbox | user1
[00:15] <ubotu> user1: virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[00:15] <user1> Odd-rationale i have been there
[00:17] <Odd-rationale> user1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox#head-7aa868356831569a64fb5b4454d8024ec05f46d6 or try #vbox
[00:18] <user1> Odd-rationale only ose ver is suported by ubuntu
[00:18] <user1> i have puel
[00:19] <Odd-rationale> user1: linux host, windows guest? or vice versa?
[00:20] <user1> ya
[00:20] <user1> linux host
[00:21] <Odd-rationale> user1: you should be able to just start the vm, then in the menubar go to install guest additions
[00:21] <user1> not working for me
[00:21] <user1> it doesnt installes
[00:21] <user1>  i need the command to install guest additions ?
[00:22] <thai-son> pass 123456
[00:22] <level1> Hi guys
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> user1: try asking in #vbox
[00:23] <user1> no help there. any ways. thx
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> user1: what version of vbox?
[00:23] <user1> puel
[00:23] <user1> latest
[00:24] <level1> just curious, how does the ubuntu upgrade process work technically?  It seems like it just changes what repositories to use and does the equivelent of "sudo apt-get full-upgrade".  Is there more to it than that?
[00:33] <metalstryker_> for a complete noob to Kubuntu, if i have a webcam and plug it in for the first time, what would i do next as far as installing drivers etc.
[00:35] <Dr_willis> metalstryker_,  if you are lucky.. nothing.. just plug it in. and run whatever webcam app you like.
[00:35] <PhilRod> metalstryker_: start up kopete, see if it got autodetected
[00:35] <Dr_willis> ifyou are unlucky. it wont be detected/used/ due to there being no drivers at all for that cam. :(
[00:36] <metalstryker_> i started Kopete nothing detected. its a Logitec Quick Cam Pro 9000... which i know other people have used on kubuntu.
[00:38] <TeslaTony> I disabled a wifi card through KNetwork Manager, but it no longer shows, and I want to re-enable the card
[00:38] <saki> Is there a way to uninstall everything except the Ubuntu core and KDE?
[00:38] <saki> KDE core*
[00:38] <Dr_willis> saki,  not very easially.
[00:39] <saki> Meh.
[00:39] <Dr_willis> fire up the package manager, start uninstalling..
[00:39] <saki> Hehe
[00:39] <saki> or save myself the time and just grab the server edition of kubuntu(thats actually all I really want anyways).
[00:40] <TeslaTony> Uninstall ubuntu-desktop, and that'll get rid of a bunch of stuff at once
[00:41] <jhutchins> TeslaTony: Um, last I checked, all that will get rid of is the dummy package ubuntu-desktop.
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> saki: this might give you some idea: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[00:41] <Dr_willis> I was thinking removing ubuntu-desktop would NOT remove much at all. since its just a meta-package
[00:41] <jhutchins> TeslaTony: ubuntu-desktop isn't a real package, it's a fake package that has all of the desktop components as dependencies.  Installing it installs everything, removing it will only remove the dummy package.
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> saki: just run all the remove gnome, kde, xfce commands...
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[00:42] <jhutchins> Odd-rationale: There ya go, that's the right one.
[00:42] <jhutchins> Odd-rationale: Ubotu knows it if you ask him.
[00:42] <jhutchins> !purekde
[00:42] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[00:45] <saki> Thanks.
[00:45] <saki> I was actually trying to make a minimalistic environment actually.
[00:46] <joeyadams> !redundancy
[00:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about redundancy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:46] <joeyadams> :)
[00:46] <saki> For webpage testing and as such I don't need 90% of everythign installed.
[00:47] <icesword> !purexfce
[00:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about purexfce - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:47] <icesword> !fvwm
[00:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fvwm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:48] <icesword> !info fvwm
[00:48] <ubotu> fvwm (source: fvwm): F(?) Virtual Window Manager, version 2.5. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.5.21-1 (gutsy), package size 3068 kB, installed size 6664 kB
[00:59] <eduard510> hi... how can i look the kde version that i have?
[01:01] <Jucato> eduard510: it's a bit tricky but, normally, right-click on the panel -> Help -> About KDE. if you don't see a Help menu there, it's probably KDE 4
[01:02] <level1> Hi guys, ssh seems to be improperly configured on the updater.  It doesnt prevent ubuntu from upgrading, it just makes a lot of error messages
[01:05] <eduard510> another thing guys.... when try to compile a .tar.gz when i put ./configure... the system said "./configue doesnt exist a directory"
[01:06] <adude> is there some for program like proshow for kubuntu?
[01:06] <Jucato> what's proshow?
[01:06] <Jucato> !compile | eduard510
[01:06] <ubotu> eduard510: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[01:06] <Dr_willis> adude,  dont assume we know the name of very program out there. :)
[01:07] <adude> a program to make slideshows with your pictures.
[01:07] <stdin> I guess you never typed "slideshow" into adept
[01:08] <Dr_willis> a 'dvd' slideshow? or just a screensaver type slideshow?
[01:08] <NickPresta> I know of dvd-slideshow, which creates a DVD video out of pictures.
[01:08] <stdin> !info kuickshow
[01:08] <ubotu> kuickshow (source: kuickshow): KDE image/slideshow viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 473 kB, installed size 936 kB
[01:08] <Jucato> heh that almost got /dev/nulled :)
[01:09] <adude> what do you mean by a dvd slideshow?
[01:09] <stdin> a DVD that displays a slideshow on a regular DVD video player
[01:11] <Jucato> (maybe) gwenview + kipi-plugins = Plugins -> Tools -> Create MPEG Slideshow
[01:12] <adude> ok will check it out
[01:13] <adude> is there any good video editing program
[01:13] <LjL> adude: stopmotion, blender, lives, openmovieeditor, cinerella, avidemux, jahshaka  —  GNOME: pitivi, kino  —  KDE: kdenlive  —  console: avidemux-cli
[01:13] <adude> thanks
[01:14] <Jucato> hm.. blender? video editing?
[01:17] <adude> LjL, does the avidemux support .mov?
[01:17] <LjL> no clue
[01:17] <LjL> Jucato: they tell me it can be used as a video editor. it's bestbot, free for people to add to it, don't ask me :)
[01:17] <adude> guess i have to figure that out myself. :)
[01:18] <LjL> but no really, there seems to be some sort of non-linear video editing function in blender, according to the interwebs.
[01:21] <Dr_willis> avidemux can do a lot of things..
[01:21] <Dr_willis> and the price is right. :) its worth learning about in any case
[01:23] <dek> Kaffeine doesn't play a mkv file with x264 video and AC3 audio. When I load it it runs choppy and never starts playing. VLC plays that file fine. Any idea what could be wrong?
[01:24] <andycr> How do you tell KDE to get rid of the annoying little gap between the edge of window contents and the side of the screen on maximized windows?
[01:24] <aaroncampbell> What is the most RAM that Kubuntu can properly use?
[01:24] <Dr_willis> I tend to use vlc, or gmolayer for my mkv's they just seem to play them better.. same with the x264 codec videos ive had..
[01:24] <stdin> 32bit or 64bit?
[01:24] <aaroncampbell> 32
[01:24] <stdin> 3.2GB iirc
[01:25] <Dr_willis> kaffeine just.. well.. dosent work too well for me with many of my videos
[01:25] <dek> Dr_willis: so I cannot use any player that uses xine?
[01:25] <aaroncampbell> My system has 4G, maxes out at 8, but my employer gave me 4 more...didn't know if I should put it in this system or another one
[01:25] <stdin> there may be some kernel tweaks that let you use more, but at performance cost
[01:25] <Dr_willis> dek,  no idea. try them and see.
[01:25] <aaroncampbell> stdin: so you're saying it's not even using the 4 I have in there?
[01:25] <Dr_willis> dek,  ive been exploring the different players over the last month.. and im sticking with mplayer for the forseable future. :)
[01:26] <stdin> aaroncampbell: use "free -m" too see how much it sees in MB
[01:26] <andycr> aaroncampbell: What kind of programs are you running that would use that much? At any rate, no, it's not likely to be using all of the 4GB you have at the moment. 32-bit pointers can address about 4GB, but realistically it's a bit less
[01:26] <stdin> or see "MemTotal:" in /proc/meminfo for KB :p
[01:26] <dek> Dr_willis: I have to compile it myself?
[01:27] <andycr> If you really use that much, you can switch to the 64-bit version - I don't remember what it maxes out at, but it's about 600 times what any modern computer has
[01:27] <aaroncampbell> andycr: I have a lot of virtual machines that I run using VMWare, sometimes as many as 3 or 4 at a time
[01:27] <dek> Dr_willis: i have heard good things about mplayer, but never tried it yet since Kaffeine worked just fine
[01:28] <Dr_willis> I just use the mplayer versions in the medibuntu repos
[01:28] <aaroncampbell> When those VMs need to be windows, and run crappy on 512, it's nice to be able to give each 768-1024M
[01:28] <Dr_willis> I have a lot of  videos that need some of the extra features
[01:28] <stdin> 64bit systems can theoretically handle up to<PHONE_NUMBER>4GB RAM
[01:28] <dek> Dr_willis: ok, downloading :P
[01:28] <stdin> just FYi ;)
[01:28] <andycr> I would switch to 64-bit in your case
[01:29] <andycr> Assuming your drivers, etc. work there
[01:29] <aaroncampbell> Thanks
[01:30] <Dr_willis> i do tend to use 'geexbox' to watch a lot of videos also. a fast booting livecd thats also installable.
[01:39] <indystorm> so hey what is a very simple and easy to read tutorial on ubuntu?
[01:39] <indystorm> I want to install an aim client and am having difficulties---- have you heard of instant bird?
[01:40] <stdin> kopete is pre0installed on kubuntu, it does aim, yim, msn, jabber.....etc
[01:40] <stdin> *pre-installed
[01:46] <indystorm> yeah kopete sucks- I don't like it- it's asking me to import all my contacts- they are server based and it should load it automatically!
[01:47] <stdin> !documentation
[01:47] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[01:47] <stdin> try one of those then
[01:47] <carlos_> hi
[01:48] <indystorm> I downloaded instantbird.... but it won't install
[01:48] <carlos_> i need some help with my laptop's webcam
[01:48] <indystorm> there is no exe file to load!
[01:49] <NickPresta> indystorm, i just signed in to my aim account on Kopete for the first time ever. It loaded up all my contacts. You should have had your contacts loaded too.
[01:49] <carlos_> it is a Ali Corp webcam
[01:50] <carlos_> has anybody solved a problem like this one? please
[01:50] <NickPresta> carlos_, solved a problem like what? You haven't explained your problem...
[01:51] <carlos_> tks, my webcam is a Ali Corp but i can't find the way to use it
[01:52] <carlos_> i'm using kubuntu 7.10
[01:52] <NickPresta> !webcam | carlos_
[01:52] <ubotu> carlos_: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:53] <carlos_> i'll chek it
[01:54]  * NickPresta passes genii a coffee
[01:54] <genii> NickPresta: Thanks I needed it!
[01:54] <NickPresta> :)
[02:13] <genii> Any outstanding issues?
[02:16] <MrResetti> Hello
[02:17] <MrResetti> I am a Kubuntu newbie and I need some assistance, please :)
[02:17] <Dr_willis> 'please state the nature of the kubuntu emergancy'
[02:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:17] <MrResetti> Well, i cant say its an emergency, but here it goes
[02:17] <genii> MrResetti: If you could be perhaps a bit more specific of the help you require
[02:18] <genii> Dr_willis: Hehe
[02:18] <MrResetti> I have just gotten Kubuntu by a torrent, and mounted the ISO through Alcohol
[02:18] <MrResetti> after booting and everything, i reset the computer and gives me two options: Windows or Ubuntu
[02:19] <MrResetti> When I choose Ubuntu, it takes about 3-5 minutes to load
[02:19] <MrResetti> and when the loading is complete, it takes me to a DOS-type menu, which I have a fear of. I don't think this is natural.
[02:20] <genii> You cannot install from inside a cd emulator like alcohol. You need to boot the cdrom and install this way
[02:20] <MrResetti> Oh :\
[02:21] <MrResetti> Well, is this a regular problem when it IS mounted to an emulator?
[02:23] <Dr_willis> I cant think of why you would WANT to mount it in an emulator.
[02:23] <Dr_willis> unless perhaps to do a wubi install.
[02:23]  * MrResetti would like to remind everyone here he is a newbie at this
[02:23] <MrResetti> ^_^
[02:24] <Dr_willis> MrResetti,  You are doing a lot of weirdness for being a newbie. Im assuming you did the 'install ubuntu under windows with wubi' type install.
[02:24] <Dr_willis> Normally one burns the iso to cd.. boots the cd. and does the installer to a seperate partition/hard drive
[02:24] <MrResetti> i see
[02:25] <MrResetti> well, im not a total noob when it comes to computers, but I dont do ISO-mountings or the sorts often
[02:25] <Dr_willis> the dostype menu - is MOST lieikly the bash shell.login: of ubuntu, which is starting up . because wubi dident configure your Video card properly.
[02:25] <MrResetti> ah
[02:25] <MrResetti> so, I should uninstall Kubuntu and reinstall it using a burned CD or DVD?
[02:25] <Dr_willis> I dont mess with Wubi at all.  I always install linux to its own hard drive or partition.
[02:26] <Dr_willis> if theres a 'uninstall' icon in the windows menus, or add/remove program files - you are DEFINATLY doing wubu
[02:26] <Dr_willis> Wubi. :)
[02:26] <MrResetti> well...another thing is when I boot from Windows, it tells me that Kubuntu is 'already installed' and asks me if i want to uninstall
[02:26] <Dr_willis> be sure to burn the iso to cd as an image file. not as a data file.
[02:27] <MrResetti> so I guess i did f--- up Wubi
[02:27] <MrResetti> ok, can i use a DVD-RW?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> I dont use/or even WANT to touch wubi. its an annoyance.
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Ive never had luckburning a cd iso to a dvd disk
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Thers alternative ways to install .
[02:27] <Dr_willis> !install
[02:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[02:27] <MrResetti> well, its 4gb big so
[02:27] <Dr_willis> You downloaded the DVD image?
[02:27] <MrResetti> .......yes :|
[02:28] <Dr_willis> You really dident need to do that either. :) the 700mb cd image installs very well
[02:28]  * MrResetti bashes head for being such a noob
[02:28] <MrResetti> well, i uninstalled Ubuntu (that was on the list of add/remove programs)
[02:28] <Dr_willis> I if you have the dvd image.. burn it to dvd disk i guess
[02:29] <MrResetti> ok, ill do that, thank you
[02:29] <Dr_willis> If using visata you may want to resize/scandisk/defrag your existing windows isntall.. depending onyour hard drive size./layout
[02:29] <MrResetti> I have Windows XP Home Edition SP2
[02:29]  * MrResetti won't touch Vista after a bad experience
[02:29] <Dr_willis> defarg/scandisk. and the ubuntu installer can resize the partitions.
[02:29] <Dr_willis> you have just the 1 hard drive?
[02:30] <MrResetti> i have two, but one of them is for recovery
[02:30] <MrResetti> (so yes, one hard drive)
[02:30] <Dr_willis> We are talking hard DRIVES here..not just drive letters... C: and D: can be on the same drive...
[02:30] <MrResetti> oh, well im sure i only have one
[02:31] <dwidmann> I'd ask in #ubuntu+1, but seeing as I like it better in here and they're all worshipers of some fancy lawn decoration called GNOME in there, I think I'll ask here. I'm running Hardy, and after booting up this afternoon I've been unable to get Katapult to start. Well, it runs, there's a process id in ps output, but it's not really running (ie: no alt+space goodness, no bubble saying it's running, etc)
[02:31] <Ketrel> Who was helping me before with Compiz messing with KDE's Alt+Tab?
[02:31] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  its running here. i just tried it..
[02:31] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  i am doing some updates right now however
[02:32] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: I'm fully updated, I don't know why it won't start :\
[02:32] <dwidmann> or work, rather, it starts (kind of), but doesn't work
[02:32] <iss_student> Can anybody direct me to where I can find info on moving the icons around on the taskbar in kde4?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> iss_student,  kde4 is lacking  in many of the basic features like that. :(
[02:33] <Dr_willis> to move some applets i had to remove them, then from the add applet window, drag/drop them to the proper place
[02:34] <sparr> every time i hear "kde4" i remember the abomination that is Dolphin and how scared I was when my I got surprised by it
[02:35] <Dr_willis> I basicially removed dolphin
[02:35] <sparr> ditto
[02:35] <sparr> i thought someone had horribly broken konqueror
[02:36] <Dr_willis> sparr,  thats still true. :)
[02:38] <jeisma> in the terminal, suppose i want to see the source code of a file
[02:39] <jeisma> in the terminal
[02:39] <jeisma> is there a command for that?
[02:39] <jeisma> without having to open a separate program like kate to see it
[02:39] <Dr_willis> cat filename
[02:39] <Dr_willis> that shows the CONTENTS of a file
[02:40] <jeisma> Dr_willis THANK YOU that's exactly what i wanted
[02:40] <dwidmann> Yes and no, it's nice in one way at least that I can see, well, maybe even two - first, the file management part of konq and dolphin is one and the same, (no doubled work) - so at least anything that helps dolphin will also help konq, second is that you could give it a seperate home address (of course, you could use seperate profiles with konq to accomplish that ...)
[02:40] <iss_student> I can't find network manager in KDE4 lol. Glad I can switch back to 3.5.9
[02:40] <dwidmann> iss_student: to productively use kde4 at all you'll have to mix in kde3 apps on an as needed basis
[02:42] <jeisma> anyone know how to copy one directory to another?
[02:42] <jeisma> using the cp command im guessing?
[02:42] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  you might want to track down a few BASH/Shell tutorials.....
[02:42] <Dr_willis> cp -R I belive is what you want for recursive
[02:42] <Dr_willis> or just install 'mc' and use it. :)
[02:42] <jeisma> cp -R will do what?
[02:42] <jeisma> move an entire folder to another?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> try it and see. :)
[02:46] <Dr_willis> cp -R bin  bin_backup
[02:48] <jeisma> Dr_willis so i typed this in cp -R mvc ~/Destop
[02:48] <jeisma> mvc is the folder i wanted to copy from there to the desktop
[02:48] <Dr_willis> You just made a Directory called Destop
[02:48] <jeisma> and it said it couldn't open about 5 files
[02:48] <jeisma> ah i spelled it right in the terminal
[02:49] <Dr_willis> I did  cp -R bin  bin_backup , and it cloned the bin dir, into a dir with the name of bin_backup
[02:49] <Dr_willis> You want to give it a name to copy to i imagine
[02:49] <root> https:shipit.kubunto,org
[02:50] <jeisma> i was hoping it would copy mvc (the 2nd argument and the folder that i want to copy) into the desktop
[02:50] <Dat1> Hello, Ubuntu room is too full to be usefull, but:  my Ubuntu system has all locked up...is there any debug info I can get from it that might be useful?
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, ask in #ubuntu
[02:51] <Dat1> lol
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> actually, i don't know
[02:51] <Dat1> alot of good that will do
[02:51] <Dat1> humm
[02:51] <Dat1> ok
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> and just because it looks full doesn't mean it is
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> it can be silent in there with 1100 people or more :)
[02:51] <Dr_willis> see if you can ssh in, and see what the /var/logs say
[02:51] <bragoo08> Q: is it worth installing anti-virus on Kubuntu?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> often a 'full lockup' is the video drivers crashing.
[02:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> bragoo08: right now i'm going to say no, UNLESS.
[02:52] <Dr_willis> bragoo08,  I dont think so - Unless you want to scan your windows system from ubuntu
[02:52] <Ketrel> How can I stop the moniter from turning of after X time? I already did it in power management :\
[02:52] <Dat1> well I asked twice...nothing....and definitely not silent
[02:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> unless you send a lot of email (attachments and such) to windows users (forwards are notorious)
[02:52] <bragoo08> I thought as much. tnx
[02:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> protect your windows-using friends
[02:53] <Dr_willis> Dat1,  ssh  is handy for that kind of trouble shooting.
[02:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> wait, on second thought, don't, that'll be incentive to switch :D
[02:53] <Dr_willis> Dat1,  alt-ctrl-backspace and alt-ctrl-delete wont even wake it up eh?
[02:54] <Dat1> Dr_willis, hold on I'm working though VNC so I'll try and bb in one sec
[02:55] <m2geek> Hello Room :)
[02:56] <m2geek> Question; when trying to install KDE4, what packages do i need to select in Synaptic (i'm using gnome atm)
[02:56] <Dat1> Dr_willis, strange, when I get to it directly its working fine, when I come back to VNC, its working fine  :)
[02:57] <Dr_willis> Dat1,  so... err.. its working.. :)
[02:57] <Dr_willis> no problem! its fixed!
[02:57] <Dat1> Dr_willis, its a workin  xD
[02:57] <Dat1> yes, thanks
[02:57]  * Dr_willis sends Dat1  a bill.
[02:58]  * Dat1 puts a check in the mail
[02:58] <Dat1> Dr_willis, the checks in the mail  ;)
[02:58] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: well, I found out why katapult wouldn't start, it's odd though
[03:00] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: in fact, it wouldn't start because amarok wouldn't start, and now I'm working on figuring out why it won't ....
[03:01]  * bragoo08 asks, what exactly does katapult do?
[03:02] <dwidmann> bragoo08: starts apps, opens documents/files/music/etc, it's also a calculator, other things too
[03:02] <Dat1> Is the KDE desktop less cpu intensive, or just more dynamic?
[03:03] <dwidmann> Dat1: than what?
[03:03] <Dat1> ubuntu...gnome
[03:03] <dwidmann> Dat1: probably about the same .... certainly seems more dynamic though
[03:04] <Dat1> dwidmann, ok thanks probably will go with Kubuntu once ubuntu 7.10 is outdated  ;)
[03:05] <dwidmann> Dat1: next week huh?
[03:05] <Dat1> dwidmann, should probably have said when it is unsupported
[03:05] <Dat1> with updates and such
[03:06] <Dat1> anyways thx for the info and help
[03:06] <dwidmann> ah, next year then?
[03:07] <lab34> y a t il des gens ui parle fancais ici et c quoi le sujet du chat
[03:08] <epimeth> !fr | lab34
[03:08] <ubotu> lab34: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:17] <bragoo08> part
[03:23] <rickey> i need to understand about  kubuntu710 download, this is the question! wen the download and update is finished should i be able to go to amaork and BMPx and play radio station at that point or will i need to download other programs?
[03:24] <JBlovloss> The head of my cs department claimed today that you cant do inline assembly in c++ except in Windows using Visual Studio
[03:27] <dwidmann> JBlovloss: is he correct or full of it?
[03:28] <JBlovloss> dwidmann: Full of it...
[03:28] <dwidmann> thought so
[03:29] <JBlovloss> You can inline assembly with g++ easily
[03:29] <dwidmann> I trust you corrected him?  My computer has to be soooooooooooooooo personalized
[03:33] <dwidmann> arkaniad: I could see just about anything being slow on that.
[03:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> actually, i've found gnome has enough for me (well, i got rid of the panels entirely)
[03:33] <arkaniad> well
[03:33] <arkaniad> kde isnt that bad
[03:33] <arkaniad> i just dont want my win-gaming rig with linux on it
[03:33] <alucardromero> KDE takes up less resources, que no?
[03:34] <JBlovloss> KDE happens to have a lot of better programs standard too.  Can someone tell me how to get this to work?... i installed it for this operating system.. and run it... but nothing happens =/
[03:36] <arkaniad> ?
[03:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> did you install it from the repositories?
[03:36] <arkaniad> more details
[03:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> or did you download it from their website?
[03:36] <arkaniad> what program
[03:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm guessing frostwire
[03:36] <arkaniad> lol
[03:37] <arkaniad> source is tricky
[03:37] <arkaniad> is it source?
[03:37] <everett> #join
[03:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> arkaniad: yeah, especially since frostwire's java
[03:37] <arkaniad> is it source or .deb
[03:37] <JBlovloss> Just so you guys know, im drinking alcohal and thus, i love you guys
[03:37] <JBlovloss> <3
[03:37] <arkaniad> ohhhhhhhhhhh, ouch
[03:37] <arkaniad> you need a Java Compiler
[03:37] <redmoon> repositories?... no? this is what i did... I went to the frostwire chat... clicked downloads.. hit the operating system.. ( linux ) and a thing popped up? i hit open and something was installed or w/e onto the desktop.... i opened it... and installed it or w/e... and run it.. but it says loading application.. but nothing pops up =/
[03:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> redmoon: almost every step of that was wrong
[03:37] <arkaniad> lol
[03:37] <redmoon> Well im sorry?
[03:38] <dwidmann> arkaniad: no, a java runtime
[03:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> try this: sudo apt-get install frostwire
[03:38] <redmoon> !@_@
[03:38] <arkaniad> lol
[03:38] <dwidmann> probably
[03:38] <JBlovloss> I just failed to get the Google Summer of Code job, so im drowning my pain
[03:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> redmoon: not all your fault
[03:38] <redmoon> technically yeah it is lol @_@
[03:38] <redmoon> well wait no >.> nvm.. its not my fault..b/c my dad installed it >..
[03:38] <arkaniad> Kopete beats Pidgin. Anyone??? Anyone????
[03:38] <redmoon> i blame him lol
[03:38] <arkaniad> bad dad
[03:38] <redmoon> lol
[03:38] <arkaniad> time-out
[03:38] <redmoon> Ok... so what should i do to get this running then? =/
[03:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> i think it's just a matter of what people are used to when moving from an OS that's entirely decentralized when it comes to software, to one that's mostly centralized
[03:39] <JBlovloss> Pidgin's bad at file transfers
[03:39]  * dthacker refuses to participate in irc client discussions.
[03:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> JBlovloss: at least pidgin can handle file transfers.
[03:39] <arkaniad> Pidgin is annoyingly under-featured
[03:39] <redmoon> Someone said something about java compiler.. and someone else said something about.... w/e it was
[03:39] <arkaniad> imho
[03:39] <redmoon> im confused now lol
[03:39] <JBlovloss> So can meebo ^_^
[03:39] <arkaniad> ok
[03:39] <dthacker> !offtopic
[03:39] <arkaniad> so what does the downloaded file look like
[03:39] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> arkaniad: nooo, you want him installing from the repos
[03:40] <arkaniad> ok
[03:40] <arkaniad> lol
[03:40] <redmoon> repos?
[03:40] <arkaniad> repositories
[03:40] <dwidmann> ughhh, I can't get amarok to start at all :(
[03:40] <dthacker> repository
[03:40] <redmoon> where is that.... god i feel stupid.. im like.. computer illiterate
[03:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> redmoon: open adept manager and search for frostwire
[03:40]  * dwidmann thinks of grabbing the source
[03:40] <arkaniad> source rules IMHO
[03:40] <redmoon> I did but nothing came up =o the only thing that pops up is 1 thing of Frostwire.. and it says installed already
[03:40] <redmoon> =/
[03:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> dwidmann: don't tell me you installed that hacked-up 1.4.7
[03:41]  * dthacker looks a dwidmann incredulously
[03:41] <arkaniad> type this in terminal/konsole
[03:41] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Laptop: no, I installed that hacked up <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> redmoon: search for sun-java6-jre
[03:41] <JBlovloss> *glomps you all*
[03:41] <JBlovloss> <3
[03:41] <arkaniad> ps aux | grep frostwire
[03:41] <arkaniad> post results
[03:41] <JBlovloss> Daisuke, if you change your last letter to an 'i', you're "daisuki"l, which is like "beloved :)
[03:42] <dwidmann> Hmm, I suppose a reboot couldn't hurt, I'll try that before I get drastic
[03:42] <JBlovloss> daisuki na kimi ga kirei desu yo.....
[03:42] <arkaniad> redmoon
[03:42] <redmoon> search that in the adept manager or the terminal
[03:42] <redmoon> im really confused
[03:42] <arkaniad> did you try that command?
[03:42] <redmoon> Curses for computer illiteracy
[03:42] <redmoon> @_@
[03:42] <BluesKaj> I'd like to backup all my kmail/kontact settings so when I do a clean install of Hardy, I can just plug in all the settings from saved file .Which file is the one I need to save ?
[03:43] <arkaniad> in terminal or konsole, type ps aux | grep frostwire
[03:43] <redmoon> ok....
[03:43] <redmoon> ahm
[03:44] <arkaniad> redmoon
[03:44] <redmoon> .says something... about 800 pts...... =/
[03:44] <arkaniad> lol
[03:44] <arkaniad> after your username there is a number
[03:44] <Ahmuck> BluesKaj: ".kde/share/apps/kontact
[03:44] <arkaniad> and is it running?
[03:44] <arkaniad> like is there something like
[03:44] <arkaniad> arkaniad 09824 blah blah blah grep frostwire?
[03:45] <arkaniad> like that?
[03:45] <redmoon> redmoon   5508  0.0  0.0   2876   800 pts/1    S+   20:43   0:00 grep frostwire
[03:45] <redmoon> thats what it says...
[03:45] <redmoon> =/
[03:45] <arkaniad> it is running.
[03:45] <redmoon> but.. i cant get it open .. onto my screen... i cant access anything... it doesnt say frostwire is open
[03:45] <JBlovloss> k sleepy time
[03:45] <arkaniad> but i dont think you have the java runtime
[03:45] <arkaniad> type kill 5508
[03:45] <redmoon> No i dont think i have java runtime
[03:45] <arkaniad> to kill it for a sec
[03:46] <redmoon> ok it says.. something about kill.. no such process blah blah
[03:46] <arkaniad> argh
[03:46] <vicio> hey everyone!
[03:46] <arkaniad> well, i have to go.
[03:46] <arkaniad> i am sorry
[03:46] <redmoon> snap o.o
[03:46] <dwidmann> That's really odd, I really didn't expect a reboot to make things magically work again ....
[03:46] <arkaniad> email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:46] <vicio> how you guys like Ubuntu?
[03:47] <redmoon> ok
[03:47] <vicio> anybody out there?
[03:47] <arkaniad> ubuntu kubuntu FTW
[03:47] <arkaniad> kubuntu better
[03:47] <vicio> i have Kubuntu :D
[03:47] <arkaniad> g2g
[03:47] <arkaniad> be on tomorrow
[03:47] <vicio> bye arkanaid
[03:47] <dwidmann> vicio: Ubuntu the generalized distribution or the results of installing the ubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[03:47]  * epimeth loves ubuntu
[03:48] <vicio> jeje, can u believe? im fixing my dads computer
[03:48]  * epimeth loves kubuntu-desktop package especially
[03:48] <vicio> i told him, u dont need any antiviruses, firewalls or antispywares installed
[03:48]  * epimeth really loves speaking in the thrid person
[03:48] <vicio> just intall Linux :D
[03:49] <BluesKaj> Ahmuck, unable to locate .kde/share/apps/kontact :(
[03:50] <Ze_M> Riddell: do you know about an app KDM Theme Designer in kde4?
[03:51] <redmoon> oh snap.. this is confusing.. hopefully i figure this out.. in time.. with additional help
[03:54] <matthew_> How can I get the header files, dev stuff.. for libs in  kubuntu?
[03:54] <matthew_> for example, I need to compile software that uses ncurses
[03:56] <matthew_> how can i find and install the package that has curses.h in it?
[03:59] <matthew_> apt-cache search doesn't seem to show any freaking header files, much less sources...
[04:02] <mkbxkrk> !tell me about !icons
[04:03] <tom> hey
[04:05] <tom> any one?
[04:07] <epimeth> yo
[04:09] <draik> Hello all
[04:09] <epimeth> matthew_: apt-cache search linux-headers-
[04:09] <draik> Is there a way for me to use SSH to mount something remotely?
[04:09] <tom> hmmmm
[04:10] <draik> My desktop has a DVD iso. I do not want to burn it, just mount it from my laptop so that I can watch it
[04:10] <epimeth> draik: http://hausheer.osola.com/docs/13
[04:11] <epimeth> draik: oh... you want to mount a dvd over ssh?  that I don't know about
[04:11] <epimeth> draik: did you try google, btw?
[04:11] <draik> I did, but nothing successful
[04:15] <epimeth> draik: theoretically its possible, since apple has something that does it... but I don't know how sorry
[04:16] <epimeth> tom: you need something?
[04:16] <draik> epimeth: It's ok. You've helped
[04:16] <epimeth> draik: how so?  let me know what you did so I know how to do it!!! :-)
[04:16] <tom> im good ty
[04:17] <draik> epimeth: You've helped by pointing me in a better direction. I found some more keywords that I'm going to play with on Google
[04:17] <epimeth> cool
[04:21] <arkaniad> HAI2U EVERYBODY im back!
[04:21] <gkffjcs> Any know the directory of kde install tree, I thought it was /usr/lib/kde3, but that doesn't seem to be right.
[04:22] <arkaniad> it could be kde4 depending on your version.
[04:22] <arkaniad> anyone need help compiling source code?
[04:23] <epimeth> arkaniad: matthew_ did, but he seems to be gone
[04:23] <arkaniad> ok...
[04:23] <arkaniad> no hes in here, maybe just lurking...
[04:24] <gkffjcs> This might be a more direct question to ask, does any know a guide or documentation of any kind on how to make an actual kde theme? Not just change colors.
[04:24] <arkaniad> no clue...
[04:24] <arkaniad> KDE-look.org???????
[04:24] <arkaniad> maybe???
[04:25] <arkaniad> anyone here need help?
[04:25] <gkffjcs> I keep going there, they have lots of themes and stuff, but Ide like to create my own, if possible, and I cannot seem to find any form of howto or general documentation.
[04:25] <arkaniad> humm....
[04:25] <arkaniad> lemme g00gle :D
[04:26] <arkaniad> omg i love my setup
[04:27] <arkaniad> i installed ubuntu Dapper, then apt-got kde! it seems as if ubuntu was never there, it is like i installed from the Kubuntu CD!!!!
[04:27] <arkaniad> how is that???
[04:27] <arkaniad> pretty cool, huh?
[04:28] <sgrover> arkaniad: first - dapper is OLD.  Second - Ubuntu is the underlying distribution.  KDE and Gnome are different desktops on the same platform.. :)
[04:28] <arkaniad> lol i know
[04:28] <sgrover> So... ubuntu has always been there... just a new coat of paint.. :)
[04:29] <arkaniad> i am planning to upgrade to 7.10 soon
[04:29] <sgrover> give it a week - 8.04 will be out.
[04:29] <arkaniad> still cooler than sour cream :D
[04:29] <arkaniad> m laptop prolly wont run 8.04
[04:29] <arkaniad> but i am getting shipit cd's of Kubuntu and Ubuntu
[04:29] <arkaniad> totally
[04:29] <sgrover> From what I'm hearing, 8.04 will have better support for most wireless cards
[04:30] <arkaniad> what about usb adapters???
[04:30] <sgrover> hehe.. faster to just download the ISO....
[04:30] <arkaniad> i dont have any cd-rw's
[04:30] <arkaniad> and i am not really in any hurry
[04:30] <sgrover> I've never had a problem with USB - except within a VMWare machine....
[04:31] <arkaniad> gkffjcs: what version of KDE do you have
[04:31] <sgrover> You can also put that ISO to a usb stick and install from there... so I've heard - yet to do that though...
[04:31] <arkaniad> yeah, i did that with DSL
[04:31] <arkaniad> it was tricky
[04:31] <sgrover> not install TO the stick, but FROM the stick
[04:32] <sgrover> it's supposedly possible to treat your stick as a type of CD drive.. :)
[04:32] <arkaniad> yeah, but on a laptop with no usb-boot in bios....
[04:32] <arkaniad> ugh
[04:32] <sgrover> ahhh... well, that's a hardware issue then.. :)
[04:32] <arkaniad> it is a pain in the arse
[04:32] <arkaniad> well, its a 1999-er
[04:33] <gkffjcs> I have both, but I really want to alter kde3 to match the default of kde4, I havn't found any premade that do that online.
[04:33] <arkaniad> i hear you can get modified knoppix floppys with usb support to boot usb's
[04:34] <arkaniad> well, i searched how to kake KDE themes, and it only whows for older <2.0??
[04:35] <arkaniad> sgrover, is it possible to install ubuntu on a laptop with no bootable cd drive one usb drive and a floppy?
[04:35] <arkaniad> ah g2g
[04:35] <arkaniad> cya
[04:35] <sgrover> sure
[04:38] <rickey> my adept manger has locked up , what is the sudo command to unlock it
[04:39] <yao_ziyuan> after upgrading to kubuntu 8.04 beta, vbox says: VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).
[04:40] <neville_> yao_ziyuan reinstall it, or, recompile it if you built it from source
[04:45] <arkaniad> Breakthrough!!!!
[04:45] <arkaniad> ok
[04:46] <arkaniad> whos here that i can ask something
[04:46] <arkaniad> quick
[04:46] <arkaniad> anyone?
[04:46] <arkaniad> he-llo????????????/
[04:47] <rickey> i am here
[04:47] <arkaniad> ok
[04:47] <rickey>  but i dont think your going to get any help
[04:47] <rickey>  i have been trying to no aveil
[04:47] <arkaniad> if i did the apt-get upgrade to upgrade through the chain of releases (lalalalalaaaaaaaaaAA) would my drivers and settings stay the same?
[04:47] <arkaniad> im on dapper
[04:47] <arkaniad> Or
[04:48] <rickey> i think so
[04:48] <arkaniad> if there are drivers on the dapper disk for something i have, would it be on the gutsy disk?
[04:48] <rickey>  the new up grade will save them and use them i think
[04:48] <arkaniad> sweetness
[04:49] <rickey>  my adept manger has locked up , what is the sudo command to unlock it
[04:49] <arkaniad> i would have to go like 6.06 to .10 and 7.04 to.1, lalalala
[04:49] <arkaniad> hmm
[04:49] <rickey> do you know the anwser to that?
[04:49] <brian_> Hey All
[04:49] <arkaniad> hmm
[04:49] <brian_> Just force quit and then restart it
[04:49] <arkaniad> you could use the konsole version
[04:50] <rickey> i did
[04:50] <miguel_> helo
[04:50] <brian_> What are you trying to install?
[04:50] <rickey>  it wont reset
[04:50] <arkaniad> konsole type xkill then click on the window
[04:50] <rickey> ill tr4y
[04:50] <arkaniad> or
[04:50] <arkaniad> if that dont work tell me
[04:51] <brian_> Hey arkaniad, do you know anything about installing themes
[04:51] <arkaniad> in kde? not a clue.
[04:51] <brian_> You using gnome?
[04:51] <arkaniad> no, i just switched :D
[04:51] <arkaniad> today in fact
[04:52] <brian_> Ahaha, i think KDE runs faster that gnome, do you pentest?
[04:52] <arkaniad> eh, a bit
[04:52] <brian_> Backtrack?
[04:52] <arkaniad> it is hard to see the difference on a PII
[04:52] <arkaniad> with 256 mb ram
[04:52] <brian_> PII?
[04:52] <arkaniad> just my old scre around laptop
[04:52] <arkaniad> pentium 2
[04:53] <brian_> Ohhh lol xD, that sucks, are you a windows fan >
[04:53] <arkaniad> Yelp! Konsole Disappeared!
[04:53] <arkaniad> no, i just have a lot of win games on my desktop. otherwise i have a PBG4 running OSX
[04:54] <arkaniad> rickey, hows it goin
[04:54] <neville_> Hackintosh?
[04:54] <arkaniad> noper
[04:54] <arkaniad> its a PowerBook G4
[04:54] <neville_> Ahh -_-v
[04:54] <arkaniad> running leo
[04:54] <arkaniad> no, i dont have any C2D,s
[04:54] <brian_> Yeah same as me, i got a sucky emachine, amd, and a acer 3000, my emachine is dual triple booting xp, kubuntu, and ubunty
[04:54] <arkaniad> nice!
[04:55] <arkaniad> i apt-got kde over ubuntu
[04:55] <arkaniad> it seems like ubuntu aint there, just kubuntu
[04:55] <brian_> You can do that ? wow
[04:55] <arkaniad> yeah
[04:55] <arkaniad> you can do it vice versa too
[04:55] <arkaniad> if in ubuntu you want kubuntu, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:55] <brian_> Ok can i ask you a question you seem to know a bit about Nix
[04:56] <arkaniad> sure!
[04:56] <arkaniad> what is thy asking
[04:57] <arkaniad> must be a biggun'!
[04:57] <brian_> Alright i wanted to add Backtrack 3 to my booting, everything goes fine, i add a new partion, install backtrack 3, but when i go to boot, it boots lilo, backtrack wil boot along with kubuntu and ubuntu, but if it wont but windows
[04:57] <arkaniad> eh
[04:57] <arkaniad> Whats Backtrack :)
[04:58] <arkaniad> im not much of a multibooter
[04:58] <brian_> Its a distro if linux for pentesting, hang ion ill get you the wiki
[04:58] <arkaniad> k
[04:58] <arkaniad> seems like you cant quad boot with LiLo
[04:59] <arkaniad> and, why Lilo? why not grub?
[04:59] <brian_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BackTrack
[04:59] <arkaniad> k
[04:59] <arkaniad> argh, im gonna go to bed soon
[04:59] <arkaniad> but ill se if i can find whats wrong
[04:59] <brian_> Well when you install backtrack, lilo over writes grub, i installed grub, but im not to good with .conf files
[05:00] <brian_> alright thanks
[05:00] <arkaniad> oh haha
[05:00] <brian_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:00] <brian_> email me if you figure something out =]
[05:00] <arkaniad><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:00] <brian_> much appreciation
[05:00] <arkaniad> im not going yet :)
[05:00] <brian_> Ohh haha, yeah so how long you been using linux?
[05:00] <arkaniad> uh 2-3 years
[05:00] <arkaniad> well
[05:01] <arkaniad> thats how long ago i got it
[05:01] <arkaniad> lol
[05:01] <arkaniad> maybe use it 1/13 of that time
[05:01] <brian_> Ahaha, i have had windows forever, Linux is the best for sure!!
[05:01] <arkaniad> cause my internet eadapter was screwing it up so i stopped for a while
[05:01] <arkaniad> same
[05:01] <epimeth> brian_: why don't you just reinstall ubuntu so that grub will override lilo?  it will probably automatically add your backtrack partition as a boot option as well
[05:01] <arkaniad> i still have a dedicated win gamin machine
[05:02] <arkaniad> backtrack looks cool :D
[05:02] <neville_> Have you tried Wine lately arkaniad?
[05:02] <brian_> Yeah i tryed that to, but when i boot backtrack, i get a kernel sync error, cant mount root onto something
[05:02] <neville_> It works for every game of mine perfectly :D
[05:02] <arkaniad> yes neville
[05:02] <arkaniad> horrible gameplay
[05:02] <arkaniad> for me
[05:02] <arkaniad> and i cant play GH3
[05:02] <arkaniad> for PC
[05:03] <arkaniad> starcraft didnt even work
[05:03] <brian_> Any suggestions epimeth?
[05:03] <neville_> Starcraft works great :/
[05:03] <arkaniad> STARCRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on a P4!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:03] <arkaniad> for me
[05:03] <arkaniad> i mean u
[05:03] <arkaniad> well,
[05:03] <arkaniad> maybe i should try someto=ine
[05:03] <arkaniad> mustve had a bogie
[05:03] <neville_> hehe
[05:03] <brian_> Whats wine
[05:03] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:03] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:04] <arkaniad> meh, for now, the win stays
[05:04] <arkaniad> sorry ubotu!!!!!!!!!
[05:04] <Roey> Jucato:  whoah how can you multichat like that
[05:04] <Jucato> !wine | brian_
[05:04] <ubotu> brian_: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[05:04] <epimeth> brian_: that *was* my suggestion :-)
[05:04] <Jucato> Roey: I practice :)
[05:04] <Roey> :)
[05:04] <arkaniad> !wine | brian_
[05:04] <epimeth> brian_: have you tried asking backtrack's help?
[05:04] <arkaniad> lol
[05:05] <brian_> Yeah, i have searched every forum i can, no help
[05:05] <arkaniad> omg, im getting tired
[05:05] <brian_> when i get my lap top fixed, i think im just going to format the whole drive xD
[05:05] <arkaniad> whose heard of fallon worldwide
[05:06] <epimeth> brian_: how about grub?  you tried asking them?
[05:06] <arkaniad> hes using Lilo
[05:06] <arkaniad> guys, im tired, cya
[05:07] <brian_> Thanks for the help !
[05:07] <brian_> And epimeth,
[05:08] <brian_> Yeah i seached there 2, but my computer is dying from me trying so much, i have 7 diffrent partions, and a bunch of junk
[05:08] <epimeth> brian_: you can also try installing grub on its own partition, and load it from lilo
[05:09] <epimeth> that way, you get 2 options (backtrack and grub-partition) in lilo, and the rest in grub
[05:09] <brian_> Hm, sounds like it might work, could you set me in the right path
[05:12] <epimeth> brian_: lol, nope!  google away my friend! and send me a memo (check out /msg memoserv help) if you figure it out... I'm curious
[05:13] <brian_> Im thinking i should create a partion then copy the contents of grub to the pation? Right?
[05:15] <epimeth> no... I'm pretty sure there's a way to install grub to its own partition during installation
[05:16] <brian_> do you know anything about installing grub?
[05:19] <epimeth> brian_: just what happens during installation
[05:20] <brian_> sudo apt-get install grub
[05:21] <brian_> It says that it is already installed?
[05:23] <epimeth> dunno buddy...
[05:23] <DreadKnight> how do i make a new post on dot?
[05:24] <DreadKnight> i mean reply to a post
[05:24] <DreadKnight> directly, not to some other comment
[05:24] <Jucato> DreadKnight: click the Post Reply immediately at the bottom of the article
[05:24] <epimeth> whats dot?
[05:24] <Jucato> The Dot = dot.kde.org
[05:24] <DreadKnight> Jucato: thanks, just found it; the post about japan is so "wide" in the browser page xD
[05:25] <Jucato> unless he means slashdot...
[05:25] <Jucato> ah koo
[05:25] <Jucato> kool
[05:29] <epimeth> good night folks!
[05:34] <DreadKnight> epimeth: night
[05:43] <serrucho> hi everyone
[05:44] <serrucho> can somebody tell me how I can remote from my ubuntu to windows?
[05:45] <serrucho> I`m triend to use this program call "krdc"
[05:51] <matt__> hello
[05:51] <matt__> anybody here?
[05:51] <matt__> Privet
[05:52] <matt__> HELLO
[05:52] <matt__> talk
[05:52] <matt__> say something
[05:52] <dwidmann_> something
[05:53] <matt__> u did
[05:53] <matt__> hello
[05:53] <dwidmann_> hi
[05:53] <matt__> where r u from?
[05:53] <dwidmann_> Virginia, USA
[05:53] <matt__> Im from Handan City,Heibei Province,China
[05:54] <matt__> do u like Kubuntu?
[05:54] <dwidmann_> Indeed I do
[05:54] <matt__> cool
[05:55] <matt__> im new at kubuntu
[05:55] <dwidmann_> I've been using it for a couple years, seems the easiest thing for me to run because I don't have to change as much to get it the way I like it
[05:57] <matt__> yeah,i think that's why unix is attractive
[05:57] <matt__> i have a problem on my kubuntu
[05:57] <dwidmann_> What is it?
[05:58] <matthew_> epimeth: I am back--trying to get headers for ncurses...
[05:58] <matt__> when i play an music file,Amerok needed a decode,and i download,now the voice of the system is not very good
[05:59] <dwidmann_> if he was correct in what he said, he went to sleep a half hour ago matthew_ (he said he was going to sleep in ot)
[05:59] <matthew_> dwidmann_: real programmers never sleep
[06:00] <dwidmann_> matt__: so, after installing the decoder, sound is messed up? Hmmmmmm, I've never had that happen
[06:00] <dwidmann_> matthew_: are you calling epimeth a fake? :P
[06:00] <matthew_> dwidmann_: no.. I am sure he must be dreaming in code
[06:00] <matthew_> dwidmann_: you know, counting sheep++ in a for loop
[06:01] <dwidmann_> matthew_: or perhaps there's a matrix-esque screensaver attached to the back of his eyelids.
[06:01] <matt__> it's interesting for me to see foreigners chatting on group
[06:04] <dwidmann_> Not a whole lot of chatting really, there usually isn't this time of day/night(people from all over the world in here at any given time, actually is kind of neat)
[06:04] <matt__> nice
[06:05] <matthew_> So.. nobody knows what package or how to find out what package I need to get curses.h ?
[06:05] <matt__> what is curses.h?
[06:06] <dwidmann_> !info libncurses5-dev maybe
[06:06] <ubotu> libncurses5-dev (source: ncurses): Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses. In component main, is optional. Version 5.6+20070716-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 1422 kB, installed size 6136 kB
[06:08] <matthew_> ubotu: yes.. perhaps.. didn't see that one with apt-cache search curese ...
[06:08] <dwidmann_> !bot
[06:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:08] <Jucato> :D
[06:09] <matthew_> I found this page that might be helpful for me..
[06:09] <matthew_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[06:09] <Jucato> matthew_: hint when compiling stuff. whenever you get error messages about missing includes or header files, look for the -dev version of the package mentioned
[06:12] <dwidmann_> matt__: curses.h is a C or C++ header file for the curses library
[06:12] <matt__> oh thanks a lot
[06:13] <sam__> hi ! whats up guys?, i finished installing ubuntu 7.04 !!! im now connected via dial-up
[06:13] <matt__> how's KDE4?
[06:13] <matthew_> Jucato: yes.. but I don't see any for curses
[06:13] <Jucato> doing ok. wait for 4.1 I say
[06:13] <dwidmann_> matt__: kde 4 is pretty weak for now
[06:13] <Jucato> matthew_: http://packages.ubuntu.com is a good place to search
[06:14] <dwidmann_> matt__: buggy and lacking features
[06:14] <Jucato> see the section where you can search for a package which contains a certain file or folder
[06:14] <dwidmann_> Jucato, matthew_: apt-cache search ftw
[06:14] <matt__> opos
[06:14] <Jucato> 4.0 stable but lacking features... it's still growing... and growing (and growing... (and growing...))
[06:14] <matt__> let it starts
[06:14] <Jucato> dwidmann_: apt-cache doesn't do that kind of search
[06:15] <Jucato> apt-file does
[06:15] <dwidmann_> Jucato: which kind?
[06:15] <SperMite> anyone have decent CCSM Profiles/Settings they could lend me?
[06:15] <dwidmann_> Jucato: ah, I see
[06:15] <Jucato> dwidmann_:  <Jucato> see the section where you can search for a package which contains a certain file or folder
[06:15] <matthew_> Jucato: it's not there...  I also tried auto-apt search curses.h
[06:15] <dwidmann_> I skip over things ... a lot
[06:15] <Jucato> SperMite: #compiz-fusion
[06:15] <dwidmann_> which reminds me to re-install apt-file
[06:15] <Jucato> matthew_: gutsy right?
[06:16] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=curses.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=gutsy&arch=any
[06:16] <Jucato> tada!!
[06:16] <matthew_> Jucato: 8.04
[06:16] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=curses.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=hardy&arch=any
[06:16] <Jucato> tada again!!
[06:18] <matthew_> Jucato: it is there libncurses5-dev
[06:19] <matthew_> and.. finaly.. now buildroot let's me into its menuconfig
[06:21] <dwidmann_> I'm tired, I think it's time for bed for me
[06:22] <matt__> how can i add my display driver
[06:23] <matt__> i choose another display to let it support 1024*768,but my display can't show the boot screen
[06:25] <dwidmann_> matt__: what videocard does your computer have?
[06:26] <matt__> it's TNT2 model 64
[06:26] <matt__> old stuff
[06:27] <dwidmann_> matt__: try running "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy && sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[06:31] <matt__> thx pal
[07:01]  * bragoo08 is wondering what to do next!!!!
[07:02] <romunov> end world wars
[07:03] <romunov> but i guess that depends on your past experience as world war negotiatior
[07:03] <bragoo08> Hey, now there's a thought!
[07:03] <romunov> you might knock things down a notch and make yourself a sandwitch... almost an equivalent start
[07:03] <romunov> bam!
[07:04] <bragoo08> the feeling of hunger eludes me at the moment
[07:05] <dwidmann_> How does one change the domain name they're set to? (ie: hostname -d)
[07:06] <romunov> your feeling sharply contrasts mine
[07:13] <eagles0513875> is there an alternative to adobe's flash pkg
[07:13] <eagles0513875> i mean shockwave
[07:13] <eagles0513875> !shockwave
[07:13] <ubotu> Shockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[07:16] <eddieftw> hello all. no questions or help needed, i just wanted to pop in and say hello
[07:16] <bragoo08> dwidmann: goto System Setings > Network Setings > Domain Name System
[07:17] <bragoo08> dwidmann: then enter Admin. mode
[07:17] <jussi01> eddieftw: Hi! you may be interested also to join #kubuntu-offtopic, the general chatter channel
[07:20] <dwidmann_> bragoo08: and what will it take to (after changing it here) to make it take effect?
[07:21] <X9nLinuxL> clear
[07:21] <bragoo08> dwidmann: If i'm not mistaken i think it's just a rebboot
[07:21] <bragoo08> sorry, reboot
[07:23] <dwidmann_> Hmm, looks like it might not even take that, semi-copied off my desktops config, looks like this will work now I hope, lets see if it mounts
[07:24] <dwidmann_> hmm, no, I'll try the reboot then
[07:25] <X9nLinuxL> while its kinda quiet: How do I get 'dailystrips' to show up in the kmenu?
[07:26] <X9nLinuxL> (using feisty on an old imac)
[07:31] <joeGattuso> hi
[07:33] <dwidmann_> nfs is being mean :(
[07:33] <bragoo08> linuxcbon: not a good idea to login as root, this server is logged on Google!
[07:34] <bragoo08> dwidmann: did the reboot work?
[07:34] <linuxcbon> so ?
[07:35] <dwidmann_> bragoo08: yessssss, but nfs is acting stupid, Apr 18 02:34:10 terra mountd[5697]: mount request from unknown host <IP_ADDRESS> for /nfs/archives (/nfs/archives)
[07:36] <bragoo08> dwidmann: i see, nfs dosn't recignise the new domain
[07:36] <dwidmann_> bragoo08: or something like that, yeah
[07:37] <bragoo08> dwidmann: you may need to manually reconfigure nfs.
[07:37] <bragoo08> dwidmann: or just go back to what you had
[07:38] <jerware> hi
[07:38] <jerware> i have partitioned my hard drive for windows,  but im afraid it will overwite grub (or even my linux half)
[07:39] <jussi01> !grub | jerware do this after the windows install
[07:39] <ubotu> jerware do this after the windows install: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:39] <jerware> can anyone point me in the right direction?  i need windblows for school  (OOP programming using viso).
[07:39] <jerware> thanx jussi01
[07:39] <jussi01> :)
[07:39] <dwidmann_> bragoo08: hmmm, I have it set to export to *.cosmos (I've set <IP_ADDRESS> to spira.cosmos), I can do things like ping spira and such, or hostname <IP_ADDRESS> which says spira, but .... blah, no goods for nfs :(
[07:40] <jerware> good thing i have a back up hard drive mounted.
[07:40] <joeGattuso> hows it going?
[07:42]  * jerware likes this channel.
[07:43] <jerware> is grub tricky to learn ?
[07:48] <jussi01> jerware: not overly
[07:52] <doom__> good morning mates
[07:52] <Jucato> moin
[07:57] <ubuntu> Hey guys little spot of bother ! ihave so far installed Kubuntu and then installed a copy of windows on the second partition ! i was hopingthat i would give me an option to chose which operating system i wanted but it just loaded straight into windows ! how do i fix this ?
[07:57] <jussi01> !grub | ubuntu
[07:57] <ubotu> ubuntu: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:58] <Jimmy1> ok jussi ill have a lil read
[08:01] <Jimmy1> Hmmm
[08:01] <Jimmy1> jussi im having trouble with step 4
[08:01] <level1> is there a program that allows me to run a 64 bit virtual machine on a 32 bit system?  I dont care about efficiency
[08:05] <Jimmy1> bbl
[08:14] <dwidmann_> level1: I doubt it
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't even think you could do that
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> registers would have to be in ram or on disk, and that's a performance hit akin to running windows 2000 on a 386 (yes, i'm aware of the impossibility)
[08:33] <rootlinuxusr> is there anyway to get webcam usage in Kubuntu?
[08:35] <max__> I neet to use the shell bash in kubuntu what is the command to lunch it
[08:38] <Jucato> K Menu -> System -> Konsole?
[08:39] <fzedde> max: If you click to open Konsole, terminal program. You end up in bash.
[08:40] <max__> no that console is not the shell bash.... I need the real bash shell in kubuntu
[08:40] <Jucato> ???
[08:41] <Jucato> Konsole uses "the real bash shell"... or are you talking about tty's (pseudo terminals)?
[08:41] <fzedde> Does: "Ctrl + Alt + F1" looks better?
[08:41] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to the GUI
[08:41] <max__> I neet to recompile linux kernel and I need the real bash shell to do it
[08:41] <max__> I need to recompile linux kernel and I need the real bash shell to do it
[08:41] <Jucato> !shell
[08:41] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[08:42] <Jucato> the "shell"
[08:42] <DarkriftX> when i turned on my vbox with a usb device defined in a filter, i got an error "Not permitted to open the USB device, check usbfs options.". how do i fix this?
[08:42] <Jucato> the "shell", such as BASH, is a program (command line interpreter/interface)  that runs inside a terminal (like tty's) or terminal emulators (like Konsole). They all use "real" BASH
[08:42] <max__> ok with CTRL+ALT + F1  but what is the command lunched by this keys?
[08:43]  * Jucato headdesks
[08:43] <Jucato> the bash you use in tty's (Ctrl+Alt+F1 to F6) is the same bash you use in Konsole... I don't understand why compiling a kernel would require you to go to tty1
[08:44] <Jucato> oh, and there is no "command".... it's basically built-in to X
[08:44] <ds187> the command is "switch to a real bash console" :-)
[08:44] <grillby> anyone use dosemu and might be willing to give me a hand?
[08:45] <grillby> Would like for dosemu to use a directory in my home folder as the "floppy" but I'm having troubles getting it setup.
[08:45] <max__> I'm programming an embedded system... and I have to recompile the kernel to this system, someone (who got us the hardware) say me I need to recompile in bash shell....
[08:45] <kumamoto> this sucks as
[08:46] <Jucato> kumamoto: hmm?
[08:46] <max__> I don't know if the console terminal program is bash shell or not....
[08:46] <Hobbsee> max__: it is
[08:46] <max__> now I try to recompile with CTRL + ALT + F1
[08:46] <max__> ok Hobbsee....
[08:46]  * Jucato shrugs
 the "shell", such as BASH, is a program (command line interpreter/interface)  that runs inside a terminal (like tty's) or terminal emulators (like Konsole). They all use "real" BASH
[08:47] <Jucato> (unless you explicitly set them not to use BASH and use something else like ZSH)
[08:48]  * Hobbsee <3 zsh
[08:48] <max__> csh.... yes
[08:48] <ds187> but even with zsh it should be possible to compile a kernel :-)
[08:48] <Jucato> yeah
[08:48] <Hobbsee> ds187: if not, i'ts a bug.
[08:48] <kumamoto> there are no java plugin that work on linbox
[08:48] <Jucato> nothing to do with what shell you are using
[08:48] <kumamoto> all show blank even when using the browser tester from sun
[08:49] <Hobbsee> kumamoto: linbox?
[08:49] <doom__> hi
[08:49] <doom__> is there any way for vbox to boot a virtual machine on program startup?
[08:50] <Jucato> kumamoto: did you install Java?
[08:50] <Jucato> doom__: I think there's a #vbox channel
[08:50] <doom__> yeah nobody responding there :(
[08:55] <tarelerulz> I am wanting to make to konqueror downloads the whole clip and then  I can play it with media player.   the clip into tmp so it will get cleaned out when  I am done with it.  How do I do that ?
[08:56] <kumamoto> yah java is installed that icedtea thing
[08:57] <tarelerulz> do any of you use konqeror for you main internet browser ?
[08:58] <emilsedgh> yeah
[08:58] <emilsedgh> i do
[08:58] <emilsedgh> many others too
[08:58] <emilsedgh> Konqueror truly rocks
[08:58] <tarelerulz> I think it is one of the best all in one program I have used for the most part
[08:58]  * Jucato is unfamiliar with icedtea though... doesn't know if it has a plugin for that
[08:58] <tarelerulz> just that one action
[08:59] <tarelerulz>  you either have the option of downloading the clip some where or play it with the media player and that most the time try to stream it.
[09:00] <elcuco> hi all, hardy questions here ? on in another channel?
[09:00] <SlimeyPete> !hardy
[09:00] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[09:00] <emilsedgh> tarelerulz: Konqueror has no equivalent.not even in the propertiary world.
[09:00] <grillby> Anyone a dosemu user - or is there a better place for me to be?
[09:01] <Jucato> emilsedgh, tarelerulz: and don't even dare compare it to Explorer! :P
[09:01] <Jucato> (but we are getting offtopic aren't we? :D)
[09:01] <emilsedgh> Jucato: explorer?! you must be kidding me!
[09:01] <Jucato> grillby: hm.. just a guess.. maybe there's a #dosemu channel?
[09:02] <kumamoto> I have sun-java6-plugin installed and the rest of sun-java6 installed and remove the icedtea thing now java no javaplugin in the browser (about:plugin)
[09:02] <tarelerulz> I am not comparing it to any thing it is true unlike anything I have used.  I mean stream a file  is not all ways the best way.  I would like to have it download and then play it. I do it with firefox all the time
[09:02] <kumamoto> it didn't either work in my last 64bit install
[09:02] <emilsedgh> tarelerulz: shift+click on the link goes to download it
[09:02] <kumamoto> but works on laptop fine using the icedtea java thingie
[09:03] <kumamoto> don't know if it is because it was installed with blackdown or what
[09:03] <grillby> Jucato, first thing I tried.  Made me sad, it was just me.
[09:03] <tarelerulz> is that really such an unuseal thing to want to to .
[09:04] <tarelerulz> I watch a lot of small clips and I have found downloading them and then open with a media player seems to work
[09:04] <philipp__> how can i install gtk
[09:05] <Jucato> philipp__: just search of the package in Add/Remove or Adept Manager
[09:05] <philipp__> jucado whats his name?
[09:06] <Jucato> um.. "gtk"? depends on what you need it for or what version you need
[09:06] <tarelerulz> and of you use the min file filter view. where just show the files matching what you put int the view filter
[09:07] <philipp__> jucato i think i will take the newest stable version for c/c++
[09:08] <Jucato> you are compiling GTK+ apps?
[09:09] <philipp__> jucato compiliong? i wonna program a GUI in c
[09:09] <philipp__> jucato for this i need gtk or qt
[09:11] <Jucato> yes. compiling. you will need to compile your programs. anyway, you need either GTK+ or Qt headers. for Qt 3, you need libqt3-mt-dev. for Qt 4, you need libqt4-dev
[09:12] <Jucato> for GTK+ 2, I think you need libgtk2.0-dev
[09:13] <Jucato> (but for C++, you will need gtkmm)
[09:13] <Jucato> you can try asking in #ubuntu what the exact packages are for GTK+
[09:15] <tarelerulz> How do you set up konqueror to download to  a default directory ? So even thing you download goes there
[09:15] <Jucato> not Konqueror, but KGet
[09:15] <Ketrel> Hi, two quick questions from me, I can't seem to get sounds from Pidgin, and also, there version of Pidgin from the repos is pretty outdated, any idea on why?
[09:16] <Jucato> I only have an answer to the 2nd question: Pidgin updates probably haven't been packaged in light of a new Ubuntu release coming next week, which will most probably have a more recent version
[09:17] <Ketrel> Jucato, on that note, will that new version still have the option for KDE3?
[09:17] <Jucato> yes
[09:17] <Ketrel> Ok, danke.
[09:17] <Jucato> Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron will have 2 versions available
[09:18] <Ketrel> an option for both KDE3 and 4 or one or the other?
[09:18] <Jucato> (in terms of CD's)
[09:18] <Jucato> a KDE 3 CD and  KDE 4 CD. but if you're just upgrading, no issues there
[09:18] <Ketrel> would you be able to grab one, and install the other from the repos?
[09:18] <Jucato> if you have KDE 3, you'll be upgraded to the latest KDE 3. you won't get KDE 4 unless you explicitly install it
[09:19] <Jucato> yep
[09:19] <Ketrel> Oh, and I know I said 2 questions, but one more, when configuring screensaves, I noticed there's quite a few that reference config options that doesn't seem to exist, is there a reason for that?
[09:19]  * Jucato doesn't know sorry
[09:22] <sh4rm4> man is that GAY ... i rightclick some archives in dolphi (on DESKTOP 3), chose "extract to subdir"....  Bash / dash / csh shell...
[09:25] <Jucato> max_: bash --version
[09:26] <max_> how I can distinguish what shell I use when I open the shell
[09:26] <sh4rm4> so one can see whats wrong ?
[09:26] <Jucato> max_: "echo $SHELL" I think
[09:27] <Jucato> sh4rm4: they usually do. unless before the app/dialog launched you switched desktops and might have opened there
[09:27] <Jucato> (although I don't usually trust Ark and D3lphin (the KDE 3 one)
[09:27] <max_> OK JUCATO
[09:29] <tarelerulz> what do you all use for your media player on Kubuntu?  I am thinking maybe if I had different player it might work better
[09:31] <sh4rm4> Jucato: so what else do you trust ?
[09:32] <max_> how I can create a link to a file?   I need to change the sh link... I neet to link sh to bash shell
[09:32] <max_> I try link but when I get option the file sh don't appear as link
[09:32] <max_> appear as normal file
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> tarelerulz: Amarok is a pretty solid music player
[09:33] <Jucato> sh4rm4: when it comes to archives? tar+bzip/gzip
[09:34] <tarelerulz> In firefox I  pick open with this media player and it downloads the whole  small clip  and the plays it. Great way don't have to wait on streaming it just all play at one time.  I am trying to get konqueor to do that.  How might I do that
[09:34] <jerknextdoor> tarelerulz:  Amarok is pretty sweet, with last.fm integration and all.  i wish i could customize it a little better but...
[09:34] <sh4rm4> Jucato: and when it comes to a filemanager ? xfe is good, but not really integrated
[09:35] <tarelerulz> I found it to be one of the best  mass media players I have used.   I even had a plugin that said what songs was playing
[09:35] <Jucato> Konqueror or Dolphin (take note, not D3lphin)
[09:35] <Jucato> sh4rm4: ^^^^
[09:35] <sh4rm4> hehe
[09:35] <sh4rm4> k
[09:35] <Jucato> sh4rm4: although your problem in this case, I think has less to do with d3lphin and more with Ark
[09:35] <Jucato> and yes, Ark only supports what backends it can find installed
[09:36] <tarelerulz> By said I mean spoke the name of it via text-to-speak .
[09:36] <sh4rm4> Jucato: so there's a backend for ace archives ?
[09:36] <tarelerulz> jerknextdoor , You used any media player that where good like it and did video
[09:37] <Jucato> sh4rm4: I don't know.
[09:38] <icewaterman> are there plugins for konqueror like there are for firefox? because i am beginning to like khtml rendering engine but it lacks many features i'd like to use (like noscript plugin etc.)
[09:38]  * emilsedgh loves khtml
[09:39] <icewaterman> emilsedgh: it lacks plugin capabilities though
[09:39] <icewaterman> emilsedgh: i mean extensions
[09:39] <icewaterman> emilsedgh: plugins seem to work
[09:39] <emilsedgh> icewaterman: no.khtml is complete.konqueror lacks extensions.it supports them but there are not many extensions for it
[09:39] <Jucato> of course. because Firefox extensions are for Firefox :)
[09:39] <emilsedgh> icewaterman: if you install extragear/base, a few extensions come, like DOM tree viewer or autorefresh
[09:39] <icewaterman> emilsedgh: where can i find those extensions?
[09:39] <jerknextdoor> tarelerulz:  no, i dont really have a good one for you.  i don't watch a lot of movies in kubuntu.  i mostly do those on my other os.
[09:40] <Jucato> emilsedgh: confusing KDE 4 and KDE 3 are we? :P
[09:40] <emilsedgh> Jucato: why?
[09:40] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i think extenions are for both
[09:40] <Jucato> emilsedgh: KDE3: kdeaddons/konq-plugins; KDE4: extragear/base/konq-plugins
[09:40] <icewaterman> emilsedgh: konqueror has noscript capabilities, but they are just not useable because you have to manually enter all the urls that should be allowed javascript
[09:41] <Jucato> (either way, there's a konq-plugins package)
[09:41] <emilsedgh> Jucato: oh!
[09:41]  * Jucato wonders where he stores all this data :/
[09:41]  * emilsedgh wonders where Jucato stores all this information :P
[09:42] <Jucato> er.. right.. info, not data :P
[09:42]  * Admiral_Chicago wonders where Jucato learned all this information
[09:42] <emilsedgh> icewaterman: dunno.i never tried , but really as a web developer i love khtml.fast and as most standards compilance as possible and very well intergrated into kde.what else you want?
[09:42] <tarelerulz> One great feature I have seen about it is the view setting that lets you view by size.  It show rectangle  and  if file is better it show up biger on the screen.   anyone now how to get that feature
[09:42] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: that part I know... stupidity and 2 years of non-stop usage :)
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> :P
[09:43] <Jucato> tarelerulz: we were just talking about that. install konq-plugins
[09:43] <icewaterman> emilsedgh: something like type-ahead-find...
[09:43] <emilsedgh> icewaterman: type /
[09:43] <emilsedgh> icewaterman: and then start writing
[09:43] <icewaterman> emilsedgh: just typing is faster :)
[09:43] <Jucato> icewaterman: press /
[09:43] <icewaterman> Jucato: yes, but on a german keyboard / is shift+7
[09:44] <Jucato> icewaterman: press / (same as Firefox btw) and then type. look at the status bar
[09:44] <emilsedgh> icewaterman: btw, these are not what khtml lacks.there are what konqueror should do i think.
[09:44] <Jucato> icewaterman: but yeah... hope that someday konqueror gets that. kwrite/kate and Konsole already do
[09:44] <Jucato> but it's not a deficiency in KHTML
[09:45] <Jucato> just as Firefox and Gecko are different but connected, so are Konqueror and KHTML (Safari and WebKit, etc.)
[09:45] <icewaterman> Jucato: yes, i mixed both names a bit, konqueror lacks these features of course not the rendering engine
[09:45] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i think in 4.2-4.3 konqueror will get a boost.think about dfaure working on konqueror.i think he is busy with other kdelibs stuff atm
[09:45] <Jucato> emilsedgh: no problems there. I would have that the new Find bar would have been in kdelibs though
[09:46] <Jucato> (maybe it will be moved)
[09:46] <tarelerulz> Jucato, What is that feature called ?  the file size view .   Do you know anything about the filter that just show files in that directory that match what you put in  the filter window
[09:46] <icewaterman> Jucato: i'll try finding out if running konqueror as extremely-non-privileged user works like with firefox+sudo
[09:47] <Jucato> O.o
[09:48] <icewaterman> Jucato: works fine and the browser cannot do as much damage as it would do in case it got compromised when running in the context of a normal user
[09:48] <Jucato> tarelerulz: 1. yes. File size view. 2. Configure Extensions -> Tools -> Directory Filter plugin
[09:49] <Jucato> you're not supposed to go online as root anyway... and Konq is normally launched as normal user (although a sudoer... but then again if that user is compromised, you're basically screwed)
[09:50] <TheFuzzball> hi guys, does anyone know how to get the OS to call a script at logoff and logon?
[09:52] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: put the scripts in ~/.kde/Autostart and ~/.kde/shutdown
[09:52] <TheFuzzball> I would prefer it not to be handled by a Desktop Environment
[09:53] <TheFuzzball> is there another way?
[09:53] <Jucato> .bash_logout?
[09:53] <TheFuzzball> hmm
[09:53] <TheFuzzball> will a cronjob do it?
[09:54] <Jucato> try asking in ##linux or #bash probably?
[09:54] <Admiral_Chicago> you may want to integrate that into you switching run levels
[09:54] <Admiral_Chicago> how you do that is a different story
[09:54] <TheFuzzball> cool
[09:54] <Jucato> oh yeah.. runlevels..
[09:55] <Jucato> unfortunately I don't know if Ubuntu still makes use of such
[09:55] <Jucato> !upstart
[09:55] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[09:55] <eagles0513875> how does one patch a kernel
[09:55] <TheFuzzball> get the kernel source from apt
[09:55] <TheFuzzball> and apply the patch
[09:55] <eagles0513875> TheFuzzball: i downloaded the patch from kernel.org
[09:55] <Jucato> patch -p<level> < foo.patch
[09:55] <Jucato> ?
[09:56] <eagles0513875> Jucato: ?
[09:56] <Jucato> you apply the patch to the kernel source... for the kernel version it was made for?
[09:57] <tarelerulz> Jucato  , I found what I was talking about i Settings -->configure toolbars-->extra toolbar <dirfilter>  Then I just select the action I wanted
[09:57] <eagles0513875> so im guessing kernel 2.6.25 isnt in repos
[09:57] <TheFuzzball> nope
[09:57] <Jucato> tarelerulz: ah I didn't tell you to add the toolbar after you make sure the plugin is enabled? my bad
[09:58] <eagles0513875> Jucato: is there a way i can make kde lighter then it already is cuz im planning on using kubuntu as a basis for my beginners cluster os
[09:59] <TheFuzzball> go into kcontrol and disable all the pretty stuff
[09:59] <Jucato> disable any effects, uninstall anything you don't need, disable unnecessary services
[09:59] <eagles0513875> whoo time to have fun borking my install lol
[09:59] <Jucato> (install and run kpersonalier if you want a way to tone down effects in one setting)
[09:59] <Jucato> or... you can start from scratch and just build up
[10:00] <Jucato> by scratch, I mean, command line, no X
[10:00] <eagles0513875> Jucato: where do i exactly start building a distro from
[10:00] <Jucato> then install kdelibs, etc etc
[10:00] <TheFuzzball> Jucato, sudo ln -s /usr/bin/backup ~/.kde/shutdown , will that work?
[10:00] <tarelerulz> Jucato , If I could just get Konqueor to download then open movie files it would be my main browser.  With filter directory , file size view and it being a file manager and web browser .  I mean I used it a lot when I had hard core  configure to do . I would have the how-to on one tabe the direcotry I need to edit the file in and so on
[10:01] <Jucato> TheFuzzball: it should. although that's tied to the DE
[10:01] <TheFuzzball> Jucato, I know :(, I cba finding another method :)
[10:06] <TheFuzzball> I just used at, it's quite good
[10:07] <Jucato> goo
[10:07] <Jucato> er.. good
[10:07] <tarelerulz> Is there any easy way to get konqueror to use adobe flash player ?
[10:08] <TheFuzzball> tarelerulz, the latest one only works with Firefox and a few others
[10:08] <TheFuzzball> but you can use 9.0.48, download it from adobe archives
[10:14] <tarelerulz> any of you use kopete with jingle support and talk to gtalk windows clients ?
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> tarelerulz: sorry man i use pidgin
[10:16] <tarelerulz> ActionParsnip: I like pidgin to ,but it don't have feature like voice  , web and I can't get it to send files to yahoo or gtalk . I am on the look out for something that might
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> not sure, sorry
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> so you need voice for googletalk?
[10:19] <tarelerulz> Well, I have one of my best friends on it and he is not much for type ing
[10:20] <tarelerulz> I had empathy working for it ,but it just works one way  and I was wondering if any one use the new version of kopete. It has Jingle/gtalk voice chat support . I can't get it to build on my system or I would be using it right now
[10:25] <tarelerulz> What is kopete irc room?
[10:26] <Jucato> would you believe it's #kopete ? :D
[10:27] <jerknextdoor> jucato:  i love that.  you never really have to look too hard to find them do you?
[10:27] <tarelerulz> Well, Jucato thanks for your help with Konqueror , I hope one day I get the movie playing down it .  It really is great program
[10:27] <Jucato> jerknextdoor:  heeh :)
[10:34] <sh4rm4> whats the right switch to force dpkg to install a non-amd64-deb pkg ?
[10:36] <emilsedgh> --force-all forces everything
[10:37] <emilsedgh> so sudo dpkg --force-all -i foo.deb installs foo.deb without carying about anything.
[10:38] <sh4rm4> thx
[10:41] <stdin> emilsedgh: please don't recommend force-all, use --force-architecture for arch. there may be other problems with the package that you just told dpkg not to even bother with
[10:42] <emilsedgh> stdin: you are absolutely right :)
[11:31] <eagles0513875> im suprised i havent borked my install yet
[11:33] <CheGuevara> try harder :P
[11:36] <reese> is it normal that in (k)ubuntu the audio volume maximum is half of the maximum in windows? (i've a Realtek ALC888)
[11:48] <arcticpenguin380> hey everybody todays the big day
[11:49] <eagles0513875> arcticpenguin380: ?
[11:50] <eagles0513875> arcticpenguin380: care to fill us in
[11:50] <arcticpenguin380> rc candidate today
[11:50] <eagles0513875> really
[11:51] <arcticpenguin380> yeah but i g2g
[11:53] <geneva> I am new at Kubuntu and I am trying to install firefox, downloaded tp the PC, but can not get it installed
[11:53] <yao_ziyuan> my intel ac97 sound card no longer recognized by hardy. does it require a proprietary driver?
[11:54] <ds187> geneva: you just have to mark firefox in adept_manager and everything should be fine
[11:57] <geneva> ds187 it does not show up there
[11:57] <ds187> are you sure you have all repositories correctly in your sources.list?
[11:58] <ds187> because firefox IS there, definetly!
[11:58] <geneva> ds187 thanks did not have repositiries set up now its there and installing
[11:59] <ds187> almost every software you ever want to install is somewhere in some repository. no need to manually download stuff.........almost
[12:00] <romunov> ... almost :)
[12:00] <ds187> about 98% i would guess.......depends on what you are doing with you computer :-)
[12:00] <geneva> Thanks allot
[12:17] <makdaknife> can anyone recommend a cheap hosting provider where I can get a dedicated server
[12:19] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: what u need it for
[12:19] <eagles0513875> is it for webhosting
[12:19] <makdaknife> eagles0513875: mail server... with some webhosting...
[12:20] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: couldnt u setup ur kubuntu box to do all that for ya apache for web and sendmail for mail
[12:21] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: if u dont wanna do that take a look at www.x10hosting.com
[12:21] <makdaknife> eagles0513875: sure... I'm looking for somewhere that can provide a hosted dedicated server... on which I can run linux (pref ubuntu/debian) and run aforementioned services
[12:21] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: ahhhh gothca i honestly dont know of any have u tried googling
[12:22] <makdaknife> eagles0513875: although I don't think sendmail would be my first choice of mailserver :-)
[12:22] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: lol just making a suggestion
[12:22] <makdaknife> eagles0513875: sure... I've googled this to death... do you have any idea how many hosting companies there are in the world
[12:22] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: go to www.google.com/linux and type dedicated servers
[12:22] <eagles0513875> finds all the linux ones
[12:23] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: for intance http://b2evolution.net/about/linux-dedicated-servers-web-hosting.php
[12:23] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: http://www.google.com.mt/linux?hl=mt&q=dedicated+server&btnG=Fittex&meta=
[12:25] <ds187> .oO( friday afternoon, after 1 pm, musst be googling-for-beginners-guide-time ) ;-)
[12:26] <eagles0513875> ds187: have u ever tried google.com/linux
[12:27] <ds187> sometimes, yes........
[12:27] <makdaknife> please... I don't need help googling... I was looking for references from people who currently host with providers
[12:27] <eagles0513875> makdaknife: oh then im no help i use a simple free webhosting provider and thats bout it
[12:48] <Nyad> eagles0513875: Can you please give me some more google commands like google.com/linux
[12:49] <ds187> google.com/microsoft
[12:49] <ds187> :-)
[12:51] <romunov> what is the benefit of google.com/linux?
[12:52] <Nyad> is there some way I can view all of these things?
[12:54] <Zombie> Is it true that Ubuntu outnumbers OSX?
[12:55] <ds187> Nyad: just for you a very ot-link :-) http://www.pronetadvertising.com/articles/a-collection-of-strange-links-on-googlecom.html
[12:56] <Nyad> wasn't that all of linux and not just Ubuntu?
[13:00] <eagles0513875> Nyad: that is the only one i know
[13:00] <eagles0513875> Nyad: searches all linux related pgs
[13:01] <Nyad> thanks eagles0513875.
[13:01] <Nyad> Zombie:  wasn't that all of linux and not just Ubuntu?
[13:02] <Zombie> I'm trying to find some hard numbers.
[13:02] <Zombie> I'm trying to write a pro-Linux paper for University.
[13:06] <romunov> have you tried slashdot?
[13:09] <Zombie> Yes.
[13:14] <Greenery> how to revert an application to previous version when the new version has already been installed?
[13:20] <romunov> what's the command to display my ips?
[13:20] <romunov> ah, ifconfig
[13:20] <romunov> i wonder why not ipconfig...
[13:21] <FSHero> romunov: lol I think I have the answer. ifconfig is short for "InterFace CONFIGuration"
[13:22] <romunov> mkay, i'll buy that :
[13:22] <FSHero> I have a question about installing icons: I downloaded the Crystal Project icon set from http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/ and I successufully unzipped the main icons to /usr/share/icons
[13:22] <FSHero> But where do I put the OpenOffice.org icons?
[13:23] <Zombie> Anyone here?
[13:24] <ds187> romunov: but ifconfig is more or less obsolete.........use the 'ip' command instead....in your case 'ip addr' or 'ip addr show'
[13:27] <Thermostaten> does any body here know the dcop command to run to stop knetworkmanager - i want to run kismet from a script and need the networkmanager to stop while running kismet.
[13:28] <Thermostaten> dcop kded ???
[13:28] <Malique> Hey guys, any idea on how to get KMix to work with OSS?
[13:33] <a_c_m> ok i have 2 strange wifi related problems
[13:33] <a_c_m> (3 if you count xp)
[13:34] <a_c_m> So, fresh install of 8.4 Kubuntu64 - installed and working. plugged in a Inventel USB wifi dongle works fine...
[13:35] <a_c_m> install a few bits (including ndiswrapper)
[13:35] <a_c_m> and restricted drivers for grfx
[13:35] <a_c_m> reboot
[13:35] <a_c_m> well shutdown, move pc to new flat... boot into Kubuntu, dongle no longer works
[13:35] <a_c_m> no errors, just doesnt seem to load any drivers
[13:36] <a_c_m> so doesnt appear as wlan0 or anything
[13:36] <a_c_m> no lights on the dongle... but i can see it in lsusb
[13:41] <arkaniad> any quick questions? i have to go to school soon
[13:42] <a_c_m> ... then problem 2, Kubuntu 7.10 (not 64 bit) cant connect to an open wifi network... "Could not connect to 3com" syslogs show it timing out waiting for a DHCP offer.. but vista conects fine
[13:42] <arkaniad> hmm'
[13:42] <arkaniad> what card/adapter?
[13:42] <a_c_m> its a really bizzar one
[13:42] <arkaniad> lol
[13:42] <a_c_m> it came free with a orange router
[13:42] <arkaniad> thats probably why
[13:43] <a_c_m> right
[13:43] <a_c_m> but
[13:43] <a_c_m> it WAS working
[13:43] <a_c_m> in Kubuntu64
[13:43] <a_c_m> pre reboot
[13:43] <arkaniad> hmm
[13:43] <arkaniad> hmmz
[13:43] <Blues-Man> hello
[13:43] <a_c_m> (at the old flat - where i also had wired connect)
[13:43] <arkaniad> lol
[13:43] <Greenery> i can't installed deb package, gdebi won't allow because latest version is installed, any idea how?
[13:43] <a_c_m> Greenery uninstall latest then install the one you want/
[13:44] <arkaniad> so youre on a wired connection?
[13:44] <a_c_m> arkaniad i wish
[13:44] <a_c_m> im in vista
[13:44] <arkaniad> k
[13:44] <arkaniad> lol'
[13:44] <a_c_m> on the 64bit machine
[13:44] <a_c_m> i also have a 32 bit latop
[13:44] <arkaniad> vista sucks IMHO but...
[13:44] <a_c_m> but it cant connect
[13:44] <arkaniad> Do you have a flash drive?
[13:44]  * a_c_m agrees and hates vista
[13:44] <a_c_m> arkaniad: no but i can move files about
[13:45] <tzd> is it possible to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy and still be able to keep software, settings etc?
[13:45] <arkaniad> if you do see if you can find the make-essential package and all it's dependencies and download them (work!!!) or if you can wire it up then you could apt-get
[13:45] <Greenery> is there another way without unistalling the current one?
[13:46] <arkaniad> then get ndiswrapper source and compile it
[13:46] <arkaniad> thats the only thing that crosses my mind on that,,
[13:47] <arkaniad> well gg2g to school. bye!!!
[13:47] <a_c_m> arkaniad cheer anyway
[13:48] <Jucato> tzd: as long as you don't reinstall, that's the normal behavior
[13:48] <Jucato> Greenery: I can't think of the option right now, but it should be possible with the dpkg command. you can try reading the manual in Konqueror: man:/dpkg
[13:50] <tzd> Jucato: ok, so it's normal not reinstalling and instead upgrading right? I noticed the website in topic regarding upgrading from Internet and cd... I was thinking of upgrading but I don't want to lose any settings etc
[13:50] <Jucato> the normal way is upgrading from the internet, or using the alternate CD as an offline source (although that's a bit flaky sometimes)
[13:51] <tzd> Jucato: ah ok. Then I'll just go ahead :) Thank you for your help!
[13:51] <tzd> Jucato: almost forgot... Hardy is beta but it's fairly stable?
[13:52] <Jucato> it's hitting RC soon (tomorrow maybe?). you better ask in #ubuntu+1
[13:53] <tzd> cool will do, thanks. One more thing.... Will an upgrade affect installed software? I think upgrading KDE does that?
[13:53] <Greenery> Jucato: is downgrade the option?
[13:54] <Jucato> --force-downgrade it seems. not 100% sure it's safe though
[13:54] <epimeth> Greenery: why do you want to downgrade?
[13:55] <Greenery> well the latest wine package broke something
[13:55] <Greenery> the previous one didn't, that'swhy i want to downgrade it
[13:56] <epimeth> Greenery: you could alwways just ununstall andthen install the older one.... have you considered compiling from source, btw?
[13:58] <Greenery> epimeth: i've never tried compiling from source, how do i do that?
[13:59] <epimeth> Greenery: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo?highlight=(compiling)
[14:00] <epimeth> Greenery: and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware?highlight=(compiling)
[14:02] <Greenery> epimeth: thanks, i'll get right through it
[14:03] <epimeth> no worries
[14:07] <elvirolo> hi
[14:08] <flipstar> hi elvirolo
[14:08] <elvirolo> i'm running dapper, and my prob is that the sound doesn't work with youtube (although it does work with other flash animations
[14:08] <ubuntu_> Hello
[14:09] <Jimmy1> im running a dual boot but its strting up windows ! what do i do  ?
[14:09] <flipstar> elvirolo: same in different browsers ?
[14:10] <elvirolo> oh sry i was talking of firefox
[14:10] <elvirolo> let me try with konqueror
[14:11] <Jimmy1> Dual boot any1 ?
[14:11] <flipstar> Jimmy1: grub is installed correct ?
[14:11] <flipstar> then check/paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:11] <Jimmy1> i dont think so
[14:11] <Jimmy1> i am runing in live cd atm
[14:11] <flipstar> Jimmy1: if grub/lilo is not installed you have to do so ..
[14:12] <Jimmy1> ok
[14:12] <Jimmy1> how do i do that ?
[14:12] <elvirolo> flipstar: hum, flash doesn't even work with konqueror
[14:12] <edneymatias> is it possible to get kubuntu running with lvm without the alternate install...i think i'm missing something...cause manually i did install the lvm2 package...loaded the dm-mod and did the partitioning. ubiquity already identified the partitions and allowed me to specify the mouting points.
[14:12] <flipstar> elvirolo: flashplugin-nonfree is installed ?
[14:12] <edneymatias> after system installed i chrooted to the new system...installed packages
[14:13] <edneymatias> checked udev...
[14:13] <elvirolo> flipstar: yup
[14:13] <edneymatias> but the system hangs in boot time
[14:13] <edneymatias> what am i missing?
[14:13] <flipstar> !grub | Jimmy1 take a look here
[14:13] <ubotu> Jimmy1 take a look here: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:14] <Jimmy1> ok when i go in terminal will i be root ?
[14:15] <edneymatias> i think it does have something to do with not loading lvm the time the root filesystem is going to be mounted....
[14:16] <edneymatias> is there an loading order for the lvm module?
[14:17] <Jimmy1> ok flipstar step 4 doesnt work for me !
[14:18] <flipstar> Jimmy1: whats the problem ?
[14:19] <Jimmy1> can i copy paste it to you
[14:19] <Jimmy1> whats the link
[14:19] <flipstar> elvirolo: is the flashplugin listed in konqueror>settings>plugins (and enabled?)
[14:19] <flipstar> Jimmy1: see the topic
[14:20] <elvirolo> flipstar: yes
[14:20] <Jimmy1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63624/
[14:20] <nblracer> hello
[14:21] <elvirolo> flipstar: wait it works now
[14:21] <elvirolo> flipstar: but still no sound
[14:21] <nblracer> having a problem with jockey-kde 4 not showing my nvidia vid card
[14:21] <nblracer> it was working for a while...
[14:22] <flipstar> Jimmy1: type root (hd0,0)
[14:22] <Jimmy1> ah ok
[14:23] <Jimmy1> umm did it do anything ?
[14:23] <Jimmy1> i typed it in and nothing seemed to happen
[14:23] <flipstar> Jimmy1: no error?
[14:23] <flipstar> then type   setup (hd0)
[14:24] <Jimmy1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63625/
[14:24] <flipstar> elvirolo: okay this only apply on youtube? other sites and sound in general works ?
[14:25] <elvirolo> flipstar: yup
[14:25] <flipstar> Jimmy1: looks good
[14:25] <flipstar> elvirolo: did it ever worked ?
[14:25] <Jimmy1> so it worked ?
[14:26] <flipstar> seems so, yes
[14:26] <Jimmy1> if i reboot now it will let me chose linux or windows
[14:26] <Jimmy1> ok ill give it a go
[14:26] <Jimmy1> cheers
[14:26] <Jimmy1> brb
[14:27] <elvirolo> flipstar: well, i just installed hardy, so no
[14:28] <flipstar> you said before you're running dapper ?
[14:30] <elvirolo> flipstar: yeah, sorry, i meant hardy
[14:30] <flipstar> hm okay than its probably a pulseaudio thing are you on 64bit ?
[14:30] <flipstar> elvirolo: try installing libflashsupport
[14:31] <elvirolo> flipstar: it's already installed
[14:32] <flipstar> okay are you on a 64bit system ?
[14:35] <elvirolo> flipstar: nope, i586 :)
[14:36] <flipstar> elvirolo: is your system up to date ? if yes please join #ubuntu+1 the hardy channel
[14:37] <elvirolo> flipstar: ok, thank you for your help :)
[14:38] <mardi_soir> hello
[14:38] <mardi_soir> i have a problem with samba
[14:39] <mardi_soir> the computer is here but no acces possible
[14:39] <mardi_soir> http://pastebin.com/m4cc2d14e
[14:45] <rysiek> hi all
[14:45] <rysiek> guys, stupid question, anybody oses OpenOffice here?
[14:45] <rysiek> ;)
[14:45] <flipstar> sure
[14:46] <rysiek> I am having some serious problems with setting the icon theme for OOo (both on Gutsy and on Hardy)
[14:46] <rysiek> I am using *dark* (i.e. #202020-dark) system colour settings
[14:47] <rysiek> and whatever icontheme I choosein OOo, the same one (I think it's HighContrast) is being used
[14:47] <rysiek> can it be related to my system colour settings?
[14:48]  * rysiek changed state to "awaiting communication" ;)
[14:49] <flipstar> why dont you change the theme and find out quickly :=)
[14:50] <rysiek> d'oh _-'
[14:50] <rysiek> gimme a sec :]
[14:50] <dwidmann_> rysiek: if you log out, then log back in, it should fix at least most of that, course
[14:50] <farhad_hf> hi all
[14:51] <rysiek> dwidmann_: you mean: 1. change the colour theme; 2. log out, log in; 3. ...; 4. profit?
[14:51] <genii> farhad_hf: Hello
[14:52] <dwidmann_> rysiek: actually, I meant change the icon theme, I thought the problem was the icon theme?
[14:52] <dwidmann_> at least, that's what that looked like to me
[14:52] <farhad_hf> i was downloading qt-copy from svn last night(i have dialup connection :'( )) today i want to resume downloading it. but it errors. this is what i did and the errors : http://phpfi.com/310826 . what can i do?
[14:53] <farhad_hf> sorry for my poor english.
[14:53] <rysiek> dwidmann_: which icon theme. th problem is with OOo's icon theme
[14:54] <rysiek> dwidmann_: should I change KDE icon theme or OOo's icon theme
[14:54] <dwidmann_> doh, I missed the ooo part :\
[14:54] <rysiek> ;)
[14:56] <rysiek> ffs... flipstar: yup, that was it. it works like a charm on the default light colour theme
[14:56] <rysiek> flipstar: ny ideas why it's b0rked when using a dark one?
[14:57] <flipstar> nope maybe they don't like each other :P
[14:58] <farhad_hf> ops!! it solved! i just deleted ft2-user_allocation.html and it works!
[14:58] <rysiek> ok, thanks, asking on #OOo
[14:59] <rysiek> so long, and thanks for the ish
[14:59] <rysiek> *fish
[14:59] <farhad_hf> another question : when i can request for kubuntu hardy CDs?
[15:00] <flipstar> https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ in a few day's probably
[15:02] <jim> hey
[15:03] <polysilicon> does kubuntu 8.04 contain KDE4?
[15:03] <jim> my boot loader didnt give me a choice of weather i wanted windows or linux !
[15:03] <polysilicon> by default I mean
[15:05] <Jucato> polysilicon: it depends on which CD you used to install
[15:05] <Jucato> jim: you installed Windows *after* installing Kubuntu?
[15:06] <polysilicon> Jucato, you mean LiveCD and AlternateCD ?
[15:06] <jussio1> !khardy | polysilicon
[15:06] <ubotu> polysilicon: Kubuntu Hardy Heron expects to ship with both KDE 3 and KDE 4 as 2 separate disks. KDE 3 should be offered by shipit. The KDE 3 CD will be commercially supported for 18 months and KDE 4 will be community supported
[15:06] <Jucato> polysilicon: no. I mean KDE 3 CD or KDE 4 CD.
[15:06] <polysilicon> ok thanks
[15:06] <Jucato> jussio1: I have to remember that :/
[15:06] <jim> umm no i installed Kubuntu then i partitioned the drive then i installed windows on the remaining partition
[15:07] <Jucato> jim: yeah. you installed Kubuntu first, and the Windows... that's going to really erase your GRUB
[15:07] <Jucato> !grub | jim
[15:07] <ubotu> jim: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[15:07] <jussio1> Jucato: :D
[15:07] <polysilicon> Jucato, so kde4 is expected to be somewhat unstable...?
[15:08] <farhad_hf> i was downloading qt-copy from svn last night(i have dialup connection :'( )) today i want to resume downloading it. but it errors. this is what i did and the errors : http://phpfi.com/310826 . what can i do? deleted ft2-user_allocation.html and it worked. now it errors on other files. what's the problem?
[15:08] <polysilicon> thats why they are not including it in LTS?
[15:08] <Jucato> polysilicon: that's a long, a bit more complicated story
[15:08] <flipstar> polysilicon: kde3 is also no lts :/
[15:08] <jim> yeh but wait
[15:09] <jim> i did what flipstar told me and now linux loads up without letting me chose
[15:09] <flipstar> jim: you have to add an entry for windows in the menu.lst ..
[15:09] <polysilicon> stable or not I am going to keep KDE4 on my laptop
[15:09] <flipstar> jim: i bet it is mentioned in the url's above
[15:10] <farhad_hf>  :-(
[15:10]  * polysilicon 6 days to go...!
[15:10] <jim> just reading now
[15:10] <flipstar> farhad_hf: maybe the svn has changed..?
[15:10] <jim> kbuildsycoca running...
[15:10] <jim> kdecore (KProcess): WARNING: _attachPty() 11
[15:10] <jim> is that bad ?
[15:11] <jussio1> jim: its likely it has a notice to hit esc to enter the menu
[15:11] <jim> oh wait kate is running
[15:11] <jim> lol
[15:14] <farhad_hf> flipstar: it means i have to download the whole project agian?
[15:14] <flipstar> not sure about this but if it has changed, probably yes
[15:15] <flipstar> or you might run rsync or so
[15:16] <Ped> hello from live session of preRC 8.04 :)
[15:16] <flipstar> Ped: im burning the rc right now
[15:16] <flipstar> 58%
[15:16] <Ped> flipstar: GL ... :)
[15:17] <Ped> I will check my partitions whether I can't try even install by accident. but I'm afraid I don't have any spare one
[15:18] <Ped> flipstar: are you going to report to iso.qa.ubuntu.com? I already tried live yesterday and found some problems like Administrator mode not working in System settings...
[15:19] <Xbehave> does hardy heron finally have vuze?
[15:19] <flipstar> Ped: @ #kubuntu-devel & #kubuntu-testers or so
[15:20] <Ped> I'm rather filling launchpad bugs.. I believe IRC things can get lost easily :)
[15:20] <Ped> Xbehave: what is it?
[15:20] <Xbehave> azureus 3
[15:21] <Xbehave> it has some fancy GUI which i disable instantly, but it has a few updates too
[15:21] <Ped> that's BT client, right? the liveCD has KTorrent, so no need for other BT client on CD. And as I didn't install yet, I'm not going to check repos, sorry
[15:22] <Ped> anyway, I would love to see native KDE utorrent one day... that piece of SW always makes me bow
[15:22] <Xbehave> Ktorrent cant encrypt its traffic well enough, so its useless to me, my isp boosts my ping to 4000 if they see torrents
[15:22] <jim> do i need to preserve the windows boot loader  ?
[15:22] <Ped> jim: what for? :D
[15:23] <jim> im trying to configure grub
[15:23] <jim> i have followed all the instructions and it told me to reboot grub menu
[15:23] <jim> how do i do this ?
[15:24] <Ped> I can't help you, I'm not sure about grub configuration (did it several times, but can't remember the things you are asking for)
[15:25] <pietje_phuck> jim: maybe it means you have to reboot?
[15:25] <Ped> but I think if you keep winbootloader, it will make you boot into windows without asking. To boot into grub you will have to select it during boot
[15:25] <jim> http://phpfi.com/310841
[15:25] <jim> this is what i THINK is ment to be the next step ! i dont understand it ! am i ment to continue doing this
[15:25] <Ped> so grub should be able to replace win boot loader even if you want to boot into win.
[15:26] <jim> ok
[15:26] <jim> so when i reboot the computer will it give me an option to chose windows or ubuntu ?
[15:27] <Jucato> "This alternative, used without a third-party boot manager, will not cause Ubuntu to boot. "
[15:27]  * DaSkreech waves atta the stuffPimper
[15:27] <Ped> jim: no actually no. This page describes how to keep your current boot loader
[15:27] <pietje_phuck> jim: if you have configured grub properly it should ask
[15:27] <Ped> jim: and the windows boot loader will not offer Ubuntu to you
[15:28] <jim> Ahhhh
[15:28] <jim> firstly the windows wouldnt let me in ubuntu and then ubuntu wont let me in windows
[15:28] <Ped> you should replace win boot manager with grub (or some other), and let grub boot the windows for you
[15:28] <Jucato> jim: read: that alternative will only work if you are using something like Boot Magic or System Commander
[15:28] <jim> i just wanna chose
[15:28] <pietje_phuck> jim: but if you keep the windows boot loader on the mbr, then that will start up rather then grub
[15:28] <Ped> jim: the grub will let you choose, don't worry
[15:28] <jim> ahh so grub is good then
[15:29] <jim> ok so everything worked well
[15:29] <jim> i can reboot my computer now yeh ?
[15:29] <pietje_phuck> jim: you can use the windows boot manager to start up linux as well
[15:29] <Ped> jim: I would not second the "good" word, but let's say it will allow you to choose :)
[15:29] <jim> thats all i wanted
[15:29] <jim> :)
[15:29] <jim> brb rebooting
[15:29] <Ped> pietje: now that is new concept for me, but probably possible too, with enough knowledge about win boot loader
[15:29] <Ped> "brb" .. HAHA :D
[15:30] <Ped> ok, let's go back to testing...
[15:33] <pietje_phuck> wb jim
[15:33] <jim> ok grub didnt let me chose
[15:33] <jim> ty
[15:33] <jim> there is something i must be missing ! (thought it was too easy, nothing on linux is easy)
[15:34] <Ped> jim:?? so what did you experience?
[15:34] <pietje_phuck> lol
[15:34] <Ped> jim: did it boot ubuntu directly?
[15:34] <jim> just loaded up linux
[15:34] <jim> yeh
[15:34] <Ped> jim: did you remove CD from tray? Maybe it booted from CD?
[15:34] <jim> Oh sorry i was doing this with out the live cd
[15:34] <Ped> (I hope it's this one, the other option is much worser)
[15:34] <Jucato> jim: you just got a blank screen then proceeded to Ubuntu?
[15:35] <Jucato> maybe the GRUB menu is hidden...
[15:35] <jim> just booted normally
[15:35] <Ped> are you sure you didn
[15:35] <jim> i edited it as it instructed me to
[15:35] <Ped> 't install over whole HDD?
[15:35] <Jucato> in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file, see if there's a hidden=true line
[15:35] <DaSkreech> jim: you may have a hidden option enabled in grub
[15:35] <jim> just checking
[15:38] <jim> i cant see it
[15:38] <jim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63630/
[15:39] <Ped> you should have somewhere in the /grub/menu.lst also few lines beginning with title Windows...blah blah (followed by root (hdx,x) very likely)
[15:39] <jim> i did a search but no luck
[15:39] <Ped> jim: it's not there
[15:40] <jim> so what am i doing wrong ?
[15:40] <DaSkreech> !paste | jim
[15:40] <ubotu> jim: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:41] <DaSkreech> can you paste the menu.lst file there?
[15:41] <jim> I DID paste DAskreech
[15:41] <jim> 00:38] <jim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63630/ <-------------[15:41] <Ped> jim: sudo fdisk -l
[15:42] <DaSkreech> jim: ah right :)
[15:42] <jim> i did that before
[15:43] <Ped> jim: it should list all partitions on HDDs, and somewhere the NTFS (or FAT32) partition with your windows should be visible in that list
[15:43] <jim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63631/
[15:43] <Ped> jim: unless you did full HDD install by accident..
[15:44] <jim> nah i didnt ! i checked before they both work but only 1 at a time....
[15:44] <makdaknife> does the kubuntu package of ffmpeg still not support lamemp3 encoding?
[15:44] <jim> just cant get it to let ME chose
[15:44] <Ped> ok, /dev/hda2 looks like your windows partition.. this should now somehow go into your grub/menu.lst ... I wonder if I will manage to that, I hope here's somebody more skilled with grub, because I'm quite noob at it
[15:45] <jim> got more skill in your lil finger than you think
[15:46]  * DaSkreech wiggles his lil finger
[15:46] <makdaknife> that's a skillful finger
[15:47] <Ped> I think the correct way now should look like running grub, searching for /dev/hda2 there to get some (hdx,x) where it is, and than add that to menu.lst  (my problem is the search for (hdx,x) parameters magic)
[15:47] <cannon> hey all, is there an archive program that shows the progress of extraction?
[15:47] <jim> im getting to love linux its SOOO involved but it takes aaaaaaaaaaaages to fix things ! i guess this is all about the learning
[15:47] <DaSkreech> jim I assume you read grub ?
[15:47] <DaSkreech> !grub
[15:47] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[15:47] <jim> yeh
[15:48] <jim> i did all that
[15:48] <Ped> jim: well, basically I'm not sure how you got into this state... I did install kubuntu like 5 times, always used liveCD and installer there, and it went smoothly with creating menu.lst for me :)
[15:48] <jim> hahah
[15:48] <jim> thats cool
[15:48] <jim> thats the story of my life with linux
[15:48] <DaSkreech> jim: Why don't you just add in the Windows section yourself?
[15:48] <jim> dunno how
[15:48] <Ped> he doesn't need how to repair grub, he needs how to repair windows... :)
[15:48] <DaSkreech> jim: or is it that you are not getting a menu at all
[15:49] <jim> no menu
[15:49] <Ped> DaSkreech: I can help him with adding windows section, if somebody will tell me what is correct (hd?,?) for him
[15:49] <DaSkreech> hda is hd0
[15:49] <jim> 2
[15:50] <Ped> (hd0,2) than I think
[15:50] <DaSkreech> hda1 is hd0,0
[15:50] <Ped> no.. (hd0,1) more likely
[15:50] <DaSkreech> hda2 is hd0,1
[15:50] <Ped> yeah, that's it
[15:50] <jim> 1 is windows 2 is linux
[15:50] <jim> its 1 HDD partitioned
[15:51] <Ped> jim: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst  (if it is located there)... search for "example" with windows... copy that, uncomment it, and edit the (hd...) thingy
[15:51] <cannon> whats a good archiving tool?
[15:51] <cannon> i am finding ark to be very slow
[15:51] <Ped> uh.. "copy that" in nano may be beyond my knowledge.. (I use "joe" editor)
[15:51] <Ped> cannon: command line?
[15:52] <cannon> i'd prefer one with a gui
[15:52] <DaSkreech> Ped: it has instructions at the bottom of the screen
[15:52] <jim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63633/
[15:53] <jim> this is beyond me
[15:53] <jim> which one do i chose
[15:54] <Ped> jim: go down until you see "Windows" on commented line
[15:54] <Ped> line 39
[15:55] <jim> whre do you see line 39 it only goes to 24
[15:56] <Ped> jim: your own menu.lst: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63630/
[15:56] <DaSkreech> jim: nope yours goes to 146
[15:56] <jim> ok found it
[15:57] <Ped> jim: you need to copy lines 39 to 42, uncomment them, and change (hd0,0) to (hd0,1)
[15:58] <jim> what do you mean by "uncomment then"
[15:58] <Jucato> remove the # at the beginning of the line
[15:58] <Ped> delete the "#" character at start of line
[15:58] <DaSkreech> jim: Sorry in linux # is  a comment
[15:59] <jim> ok
[15:59] <DaSkreech> it means everything after that # in the line is ignored by the computer
[15:59] <DaSkreech> it's good rule of thumb
[15:59]  * jim calls it Hash
[15:59] <jim> ok thats done
[16:00] <jim> save it yeh  ?
[16:00] <pietje_phuck> DaSkreech: indeed as 9 out of 10 aplication follow that
[16:00] <Ped> save, reboot
[16:00] <jim> ok brb
[16:00] <Ped> gotta go too, bye all :)
[16:00] <pietje_phuck> lol
[16:01] <Ped> will I wait if he shows up? hmmm ... :) I wonder whether that win partition is healthy enough to boot :D
[16:01] <jim> ok i exited too quickly
[16:01] <Ped> :D what's up?
[16:01] <jim> it wouldnt let me save cause im not root
[16:02] <jim> how do i go root
[16:02] <Ped> yeah, how did you start to edit it?
[16:02] <jim> just punched in the keys thats it
[16:02] <jim> then pressed save
[16:02] <Ped> I mean how did you launch the nano editor?
[16:02] <Ped> that "sudo" ahead of it should have gave you root rights
[16:03] <jim> just double clicked the icon
[16:03] <jim> in kate i think
[16:03] <DaSkreech> jim: alt+F2 -> kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[16:04] <Ped> kdesudo? I was expecting kdesu ?
[16:04] <jim> ok im in
[16:04] <jim> do i do it again
[16:04] <ubuntu_> Hello
[16:04] <DaSkreech> jim: Si
[16:04] <DaSkreech> HI
[16:05] <ubuntu_> I'm french so I'll explain my problem but it will be dificult for make me understand ^^
[16:05] <DaSkreech> !fr
[16:05] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:05] <jim> ok it worked
[16:05] <jim> brb
[16:06] <ubuntu_> Thank you
[16:07] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: bienvenue
[16:12] <Jimm1> ok that didnt work
[16:13] <Jimm1> it just loaded into windows and didnt give me an option to chose which OS i want
[16:13] <Jimm1> im on the live cd atm
[16:13] <Jimm1> mabie ill try
[16:13] <Jimm1> !grub
[16:13] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:13] <Jimm1> !Grub
[16:13] <Ped> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63630/
[16:13] <Jimm1> again
[16:13] <Ped> jimm1: see line 19 and 23
[16:14] <Ped> jimm1: those should explain it to you
[16:14] <Jimm1> Fk
[16:14] <Jimm1> ok so just delete that whole section yeh
[16:15] <Jimm1> wait
[16:15] <Jimm1> thats not the menu
[16:15] <Ped> jimm1: just put hash ahead of line 23
[16:15] <Ped> but you have to edit that file on HDD ... I suggest to reboot and press Esc to see menu
[16:15] <Jimm1> if i press esc it goes into a diff menu ! linux stuff (safe mode bla bla)
[16:15] <Ped> and boot from HDD, not from CD
[16:16] <Ped> that's too late probably, after the 3s timeout
[16:16] <Ped> or too soon (BIOS menu?)
[16:16] <Jimm1> thats a diff menu
[16:16] <Jimm1> not windows/ubuntu menu
[16:16] <Ped> safe mode is windows boot loader already, so it's probably too late.
[16:17] <Jimm1> ok so whats the quickest and easiest way out of this ?
[16:17] <Ped> BTW, you can edit that file from live session... just use the second button down to open "Storage media"
[16:18] <Ped> than you will have to guess correctly on which partition the /boot/grub/menu.lst resides... than you will have to run kdesudo kate again on it...
[16:18] <DaSkreech> Jimm1: You may want to put your timeout for longer while testing
[16:19] <Jimm1> wont let me look inside
[16:19] <DaSkreech> Sorry?
[16:19] <DaSkreech> what won't?
[16:19] <Jimm1> storage media is blank
[16:19] <Jimm1> if i click the HDD
[16:19] <Jimm1> i cant see anything in it
[16:21] <Jimm1> hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999
[16:22] <Ped> sh*t.. maybe live session is not good enough for that :/
[16:22] <Jimm1> lol
[16:23] <Jimm1> can i do this anothe way
[16:23] <Ped> try reboot without CD with Esc to see menu :( ... sorry, I was not aware of that
[16:23] <Jimm1> like windows or something ? You guys where saying you can do it through windows too
[16:23] <Jimm1> ok
[16:23] <Jimm1> brb
[16:28] <DaSkreech> jim: Oh I know what that it
[16:28] <DaSkreech> is
[16:28] <DaSkreech> Where are you now?
[16:28] <jim> hahah
[16:28] <jim> it worked
[16:28] <jim> :D
[16:28]  * jim dances
[16:29] <jim> ok now i gotta change the hidden thing and then the time
[16:29] <Ped> jim: now use kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst  to edit some nicer defaults.. .like not hidden and/or longer timeout
[16:29] <DaSkreech> jim: The Hidden thing is cool :)
[16:29] <DaSkreech> It's less frightening
[16:29] <Ped> I use graphical sudo at home :) .. with 10s timeout
[16:29] <DaSkreech> But it's linux man make it what you want it to be
[16:30] <Ped> I like that red skin I got from somewhere :)
[16:30] <Ped> graphical grub, not sudo :( :/
[16:30] <jim> ## hiddenmenu
[16:30] <jim> # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
[16:30] <jim> hiddenmenu
[16:31] <jim> ok should i take off the hash
[16:31] <Ped> add them :)
[16:31] <jim> and delete hiddenmenu
[16:31] <Jucato> (you should add the #)
[16:31] <Ped> to make it a comment
[16:31] <Jucato> add the # before the plain hiddenmenu line
[16:31] <jim> ok
[16:31] <Ped> if you already have one commented, delete the whole line if you wish
[16:31] <Jucato> the first one (## hiddenmenu) is supposed to be a section title
[16:32] <jim> so what do i chance that 2
[16:33] <Ped> hmm.. the 8.04 preRC warned me the mounted /boot partition will be overwritten anyway during install .. I wonder what kind of mess I will end up... maybe soon I will be fixing my own grub :D
[16:33] <jim> lol well we are all practicing here on my computer
[16:33] <jim> hahaha
[16:33] <Ped> jim: ? just make sure no "hiddenmenu" is on line without hash ... no matter how many there are with hashes, those are just comments
[16:34] <jim> ok cool
[16:34] <jim> so just save again and reboot
[16:35] <Ped> I'm missing an option to not install grub at all and let me figure it manually... or was it hidden inside that "Advanced" button in Step 5 of ubiquity?
[16:38] <jim> alllllllllllllllllllllll rigggggggggggght
[16:38] <jim> it worked
[16:38]  * jim dances :D
[16:38] <jim> THANKS HEAPS YOU GUYS
[16:38] <Ped> jim: I still wonder how you managed to install grub without the windows option...
[16:38] <Ped> jim: np, GL, I'm going now, bye
[16:38] <jim> yeh a lil windows apears now
[16:38] <Jucato> whew... that took  a while :)
[16:39] <jim> HAHAHAHAH man you should have been in my shoes for the past 3 days ! this is all i have been doing, if its not the nvidia driver its the screen if its not that its compiz if its not that its the dual boot
[16:40] <jim> i havent finished with compiz yet and my printer doesnt work with kubuntu
[16:40] <jim> but i cbfed tonight  ! its almost 2am
[16:40] <jim> ill come back tomorrow and work on the printer solution :)
[16:41] <jim> cheers guys im off
[16:41] <DaSkreech> jim: Night!
[16:41] <DaSkreech> the fun part is once you get stuff setup it's posibly years before you mess with it again
[16:41] <DaSkreech> I likeLinux :)
[16:46] <carlosgomes> hi
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> hi carlosgomes
[16:49] <riccardo> hi
[17:11] <rich__> hi
[17:12] <JoshOvki> hi rich__
[17:12] <rich__> ive just installed kubuntu 8.04 with kde 3
[17:12] <rich__> is it worth upgrading to kde4 yet?
[17:12] <JoshOvki> i have both KDE3 and KDE4 installed
[17:12] <DaSkreech> rich__: possibly
[17:12] <DaSkreech> rich__: That's a very personal question
[17:13] <JoshOvki> KDE4 isnt quite finished, so i would recommend having both
[17:13] <rich__> ok, thanks. when should kde 4 be ready?
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> I use kde4, but quite a few kde applications
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> *kde3
[17:13] <DaSkreech> I use KDE4 pure
[17:14] <JoshOvki> DaSkreech: wat irc program u using?
[17:14] <DaSkreech> rich__: again. Pretty personal :) I think that by 4.1 most people are going to be ok with it
[17:14] <DaSkreech> 4.2 sould be stellar
[17:14] <DaSkreech> so maybe 4.1.4 ?
[17:14] <DaSkreech> JoshOvki: I don't IRC.. oh wait ... umm irssi
[17:14] <rich__> thanks ill stick with kde3 for now
[17:15] <JoshOvki> ah kk :)
[17:15] <DaSkreech> rich__: Cool give it a look again when 4.1 ships :)
[17:15] <rich__> can u tell me when that will be?
[17:16] <DaSkreech> July
[17:17] <rich__> awesome i was expecting it to be next autumn
[17:17] <DaSkreech> Nope
[17:17] <DaSkreech> 6 month schedule
[17:17] <DaSkreech>  new bugfixes every month new big release every 6 months
[17:24] <cracker> hi all
[17:24] <nosrednaekim> hey cracker
[17:25] <Riddell> 8.04 RC Out: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/RC/Kubuntu
[17:25] <Riddell> Hardy Kubuntu (KDE3) Pre-orders https://shipit.kubuntu.org
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> coolo.... lets watch the mirrors groan :)
[17:28] <cracker> who know about ubuntu week?
[17:29] <CYREX> Good day everyone
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> cracker: not sure when the hext one is
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> *next
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> hell CYREX
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> *hello
[17:31] <CYREX> I see that the release candidate includes the 2.6.24-16.30 of Ubuntu but will the final version include Kernel 2.6.25 since it came out yesterday
[17:31] <CYREX> just asking because of the wifi issues in the .25
[17:32] <cracker> i'm waiting for final kubuntu release!can't wait
[17:32] <JoshOvki> cracker: going to be waiting a long long time for the final kubuntu release ;)
[17:34] <cracker> joshovki-sure.. which version you are using now?
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> CYREX: no.... 24 is going to be in final
[17:34] <JoshOvki> cracker: sorry i was being too litral with the final version
[17:35] <cracker> joshovki-it's ok.i'm just install kubuntu 3 days ago.. i found it really nice!
[17:37] <CYREX> oki thank you
[17:38] <cracker> hi cyrex
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> cracker: so you are using hardy?
[17:39] <cracker> yes..8.4
[17:39] <cracker> the beta version
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> 8.04 BTW... 8.4 sould mean that it was released in the 40th month of the year ;)
[17:40] <cracker> sorry!i'm newbie..so not really sure about that
[17:41] <mr_marvin_> hi all. silly question, but i can't find where to set up time afer which PC shuts down/hibernates. is there some command?
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> its ok... just warning you
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> mr_marvin_: I think guidance powermanager has it
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> or are you on a desktop?
[17:42] <mr_marvin_> yes, on a desktop...
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> mr_marvin_: ah, then I don't know where to set it
[17:43] <mr_marvin_> what is a cosole command for starting power manager? i can's find it in menus, maybe becuse i switched from gnome.
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> its not in the menu's... and i'm not sure it will work on a desktop. try "guidance-power-manager"
[17:45] <mr_marvin_> hm... guidance-power-manager says: This is not a laptop, quitting ...
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> :)
[17:46] <nosrednaekim>  I think we can force that
[17:46] <nosrednaekim> just a sec
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> mr_marvin_: run "sudo kate /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance-powermanager/powermanage.py"
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> and remove the # mark from in front of the "IS_LAPTOP = True" line
[17:50] <mr_marvin_> ok, thank you
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> mr_marvin_: you'll have to that again if you update the guidance-powermanager package though
[17:52] <equex> is ther6.e a chan for
[17:53] <equex> err
[17:54] <equex> is there a chan for the 6.06 lts version ? i need some help getting flac to work with xmms, seems there was something wrong with the current plugin and i dont have the old one
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> this is the correct channel
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> though I have no clue about that question :)
[17:55] <equex> oki :)
[17:55] <Pici> equex: this channel or #ubuntu
[17:56] <equex> ive tried to download some sources and compile them but the build breaks
[17:56] <equex> so i guess its not the right package i found
[17:57] <mr_marvin_> problems, again... "guidance-power-manager.py: cannot connect to X server :0.0"
[17:57] <equex> its flac-1.2.0-linux-i386.tar.gz that supposedly works, but it wont comile all of it, stops before it gets to the xmms-flac section
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> mr_marvin_: thats probably ok.
[17:57] <kaminix> !mediubuntu
[17:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediubuntu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:57] <kaminix> !medibuntu
[17:57] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[17:59] <mr_marvin_> but i have no power management window?
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> mr_marvin_: you running that from a konsole?
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> mr_marvin_: eh.. forget this... just install kpowersave
[18:00] <mr_marvin_> yes, form console... ok :)) kpowersave then
[18:01] <nosrednaekim> yeah I forgot about kpowersave
[18:02] <emilsedgh> is guidance-power-manager ported to kde4?
[18:02] <bolder> hi
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> no
[18:02] <bolder> down
[18:03] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: and there is no plan to port it?
[18:03] <emilsedgh> what about knetworkmanager?
[18:03] <kaminix> Where can I find the new Kubuntu repositories?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: knetworkmanager is being ported
[18:04] <mr_marvin_> problems, kpowersave krashed... is there any way to say linux not to shut down ever?
[18:04] <sui> hi
[18:04] <emilsedgh> good nosrednaekim, where could i get the source? suse repo's?
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: I'm not sure actually... I'd ask some suse people
[18:05] <emilsedgh> ok ok thanks nosrednaekim, i dont really use it.just wanted to give it a try
[18:05] <emilsedgh> kbluetooth, guidance-power-manager and knetworkmanager are missing in kde4
[18:05] <kaminix> What's hardy-proposed? Do I want that?
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> kaminix: thats probably empty ATM
[18:06] <kaminix> But will I want it later? What's in it?
[18:07] <tzanger> good afternoon
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> mostly testing packages for later inclusion to universe or main I believe
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> you probably do not want it
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> afternoon tzanger
[18:08] <tzanger> system reset while doing an update, I ran dpkg --configure -a as it recommended but I need to reinstall the poppler package... so apt-get install --reinstall libpoppler2 libpopper2-qt re-downloads it but still fails
[18:08] <tzanger> any ideas?
[18:08] <tzanger> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error
[18:08] <tzanger> I figured re-downloading the package would have fixed that
[18:11] <kaminix> Once I've updated my sources list so it'll include all hardy repos, is a aptitude full-upgrade enough?
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> kaminix: I used apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> you should refresh your packages lists too
[18:12] <kaminix> Was it enough?
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> yeah... after running "apt-get update"
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> worked perfectly
[18:12] <kaminix> Yes, refreshing packages right now.
[18:12] <kaminix> Added all canonical repositories too, any reason I should not?
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> they might not be ready for hardy, but it can't hurt
[18:13] <kaminix> They have a hardy repo anyway ^^
[18:14] <kaminix> 1299 updated packages available ^^
[18:24] <bolder> !ping
[18:24] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[18:25] <Teo-> can i fix the hijack on acer ??
[18:25] <techbw> hi all, just want to know if there is a way that I can make an image of a kubuntu installation for backup purposes. The whole HDD via a network on a live system
[18:25] <equex> x crashed
[18:26] <equex> so say i give up on compiling the xmms flac plugin... is there a player that can play flac files from a whared drive out of the box ?
[18:26] <equex> shared*
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> equex: did you try amarok?
[18:27] <sui> techbw: if you want to create an image you can use dd, tar or rsync
[18:28] <equex> nosrednaekim: yeah i think so, will try now again
[18:29] <techbw> is there a step by step that you know of, have been searching for a way to do it on google, but search results do not match with what I would like to do
[18:29] <sui> techbw: dd makes a opy of a whole partition including all not used space. tar and rsync make "simple" copies of your hdd
[18:29] <techbw> can I just tar the whole drive, and untar when required
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> techbw: of the whole partition, ye
[18:30] <sui> techbw: if you tar your partition you can untar it. but you will need a live-cd after untaring, because tar does not make a copy of your bootsecor
[18:30] <scott__> is there a change I need to make to the source.lst to upgrade to the Kubuntu 8.04 RC
[18:30] <sui> techbw: if you tar your partition you can untar it. but you will need a live-cd after untaring, because tar does not make a copy of your bootsecor
[18:31] <techbw> what command would i use to backup using dd, and to restore the backup, that sounds like Ghost for windows
[18:32] <techbw> will I be able to restore to a smaller hard drive or only larger hard drive
[18:32] <techbw> if