[10:44] <Edulix> gm78: nah, I was trying to install all the package from an "old" ubuntu installtion to my new one, via dpkg /path/to/var/cache/apt/archives :P
[10:44] <frenchgit> an ovislink based on the rt2500 chipset
[10:44] <frenchgit> and I'm running it on a hp nx6110 laptop
[10:44] <gm78> Edulix, ah.....is that such a good idea?
[10:45] <Edulix> gm78: in fact I have an old ati that use non of those driver mentioned but the already open source and installed one
[10:45] <frenchgit> i should mention I fiddled with setkeycodes to get the wireless button working
[10:45] <frenchgit> setkeycodes e078 129
[10:45] <Edulix> gm78: why not ? hehehe
[10:45] <frenchgit> I don't k now if that has anything to do with it..
[10:45] <gm78> Edulix, how good is the 3d on that graphics card?
[10:46] <frenchgit> in dmesg I get ra0 : no IPv6 routers present
[10:46] <Edulix> gm78: not much: "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] "
[10:46] <Edulix> (from lspci)
[10:49] <jo> hm cut breezy set up
[10:51] <frenchgit> maybe it's the key? should it have spaces?
[10:51] <monchichi> breezy is worth installing just for the flashing window list notifier
[10:51] <djp> when you run a cronjob does it create a log file anywhere?
[10:51] <monchichi> .. or mayeb not
[10:51] <pgidz> frenchgit how did you type in the key
[10:52] <djp> or do you need to give a sepcific command in the crontab?
[10:52] <frenchgit> pgidz with kwifi in the config editor
[10:53] <pgidz> frenchgit did you type it 123546 try 123-123-123-123 in that format
[10:53] <frenchgit> pgidz, ok.. hang on
[10:55] <cikilin> is hard in linux
[10:55] <lambert> hello
[10:55] <cikilin> i cant a lot
[10:55] <cikilin> :((
[10:55] <Edulix> cikilin: what is hard in linux ?
[10:56] <cikilin> i want to see a movie witch is a dvd
[10:56] <cikilin> i cant
[10:56] <frenchgit> pgidz, nope nothing changes - the network is still detected but no ip coming through
[10:57] <monchichi> cikilin.. sure you can
[10:57] <Edulix> cikilin: yeah, you need to install libdvdcss I belive
[10:57] <djp> ok. i gather to get a log file of cronjobs executed i need to add something like the following to the specific cronjob, > /home/user/cronlogs/jobs.log. would that be correct? otherwise i gather no log is created
[10:57] <cikilin> every player i install i does not working for me
[10:57] <cikilin> i installed install libdvdcss
[10:57] <Edulix> cikilin: it's not installed by default because of legal concerns. of course it could just ask you "would you like to install needed software to watch this movie ?", but ...
[10:58] <Edulix> cikilin: search for dvd in synaptic and install everything related, then open totem and try, that's what I would do hehe
[10:58] <monchichi> cikilin: is it having trouble detecting the dvd or decrypting it?
[10:59] <benplaut> \quit "goodnight everyone"
[10:59] <benplaut> woops
[10:59] <Edulix> hehe
[10:59] <Edulix> bye benplaut :)
[10:59] <cikilin> is wrirting mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module:decode_audio
[11:00] <Edulix> cikilin: uhm did you tried with totem ?
[11:00] <cikilin> no
[11:00] <Edulix> cikilin: it's the gnome default media player
[11:00] <pgidz> frenchgit have you got a wep set on your router if so you could take it of and see if your card gets an ip
[11:00] <cikilin> Totem could not play 'file:///home/cikilin/Blade 3/Blade trinity RO by bisart.nrg'.
[11:01] <monchichi> cikilin, you might want to do sudo apt-get install totem-xine first, got better compatibility
[11:01] <monchichi> ohhh
[11:01] <monchichi> hahah
[11:01] <Edulix> nrg, what's that ? :P
[11:01] <monchichi> not a real dvd!
[11:01] <monchichi> its like an iso
[11:01] <Amaranth> cikilin: 1) that's an nrg (sort of like iso), not a movie and 2) talk about warez and pirating things is not allowed here
[11:02] <Edulix> Amaranth: who says it's warez ?
[11:02] <Edulix> Amaranth: talk about private copy, for example
[11:02] <cikilin> i took it from torent site
[11:02] <Edulix> (in my country you *are* allowed to make private copies even from other people)
[11:03] <frenchgit> pgidz, i'll try but I don't have access to the router
[11:03] <Petrov> hello
[11:04] <Edulix> cikilin: see: "nrg2iso - Extracts ISO9660 data from Nero ".nrg" files"
[11:05] <Edulix> maybe you could install that and then either mount the iso or burn it
[11:06] <Amaranth> Edulix: Look at the file name...
[11:06] <Amaranth> Edulix: Plus, he already said it was an illegal copy
[11:07] <Edulix> Amaranth: he mentioned "illegal" where ?
[11:07] <Amaranth>  <cikilin> i took it from torent site
[11:07] <monchichi> he said he took it from a torrent site..
[11:07] <djp> does anyone know if ubuntu keeps a log of cron jobs executed?
[11:07] <IceDC571> it looks like its ripped by someone too
[11:07] <monchichi> that implies that its warez.
[11:07] <Edulix> Amaranth: when you downdoad from peer to peer, you are doing a private copy (from peer to peer)
[11:08] <Amaranth> Edulix: I don't know of any country that allows you to download movies.
[11:08] <Edulix> Amaranth: Spain
[11:08] <monchichi> edulix, tell that to the CIA that busted down on a bunch of fools today
[11:08] <Amaranth> Edulix: I know Canada allows you to do it with music.
[11:08] <frenchgit> pgidz, no access to the router
[11:08] <frenchgit> damn it
[11:08] <zyth> yep, Canada rocks :)
[11:08] <pgidz> frenchgit have you tried to ping anything to see if it works
[11:09] <Edulix> well sorry for you guys, but here in spain we can do private copies (from everything but software)
[11:09] <frenchgit> i get network unreachable - no ip address i guess
[11:10] <IceDC571> so um.. convert it to an iso and view it in totem, simple as that
[11:10] <Seveas> Amaranth, Netherlands :)
[11:10] <Seveas> downloading is (still) legal here, uploading not
[11:10] <Amaranth> even if you aren't in the US, i mean
[11:11] <djp> does anyone know if ubuntu keeps a log of cron jobs executed?
[11:11] <Edulix> Amaranth: if I downloaded from a US peer being me in spain, no problem to ME
[11:11] <Amaranth> even if it was legal here i wouldn't do it
[11:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, the US peer is probably breaking the law
[11:11] <Seveas> but an ES or NL peer downloading it not
[11:11] <monchichi> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8419601/
[11:11] <IceDC571> the US peer is just stupid for wanting to share movies in the first place
[11:11] <Seveas> The downloader is breaking the implicit rules of good netizenship though :)
[11:11] <IceDC571> why cant you just buy the full quality dvd from a shop?
[11:12] <Amaranth> i buy my music off iTunes (support the artists, easier) and watch movies in the theater (their entertainment system is nicer than mine)
[11:12] <Edulix> IceDC571: that's his business :P
[11:12] <Amaranth> the US peer is breaking US law, of course
[11:12] <monchichi> Seveas, check the link, people in netherlands got rolled on too
[11:12] <Edulix> IceDC571: are you really doing that question ? maybe becuase it's not cheap ?
[11:13] <Amaranth> anyway, this is all highly off-topic and is actually one of the banned topics, so yeah
[11:13] <Edulix> hehe ok
[11:13] <Seveas> monchichi, those aren't downloaders, but crackers :)
[11:13] <IceDC571> Amaranth: would libdvdcss2 be illegal in the US?
[11:14] <monchichi> true, but they targeted crackers because they cant possibly target all the downloaders
[11:14] <IceDC571> decss i mean
[11:14] <Amaranth> yes
[11:14] <Amaranth> canada too
[11:14] <Amaranth> and much of the EU
[11:14] <Seveas> Amaranth, well, to be really strict: this kind of discussion is not one of the 'banned topics' since we're not supporting people trying to do illegal things ;)
[11:14] <sobralense> Ok ok, U have great theaters with a brand new movie playing .. but here...
[11:14] <cikilin> can anybody help me see a dvd on linux?
[11:14] <IceDC571> so how do I view dvds in linux legally? pshh..
[11:15] <Amaranth> IceDC571: You pay $30 for this program that only works on one version of one distro.
[11:15] <IceDC571> Amaranth: whats that?
[11:15] <Amaranth> IceDC571: No idea.
[11:15] <Amaranth> IceDC571: The distro is turbolinux, iirc.
[11:16] <Edulix> monchichi: maybe it was illegal to distribute the things but not to download them ?
[11:16] <IceDC571> i dont really watch dvds on the computer anyway
[11:16] <IceDC571> so i guess im good
[11:16] <ailean> you can watch dvds in linux legally by paying a royalty
[11:17] <Edulix> actually I belive some distros distribuced some parts of libdvdcss that are legal
[11:17] <Edulix> so that you can play dvd but not rip it
[11:17] <Amaranth> libdvdcss is not legal at all
[11:17] <Edulix> AMaranth: talk with linspire about that :P
[11:17] <Amaranth> Edulix: They're nuts.
[11:18] <IceDC571> lol.. linspire wont be legal for long..
[11:18] <Amaranth> Breaking the encryption to play a movie is just as illegal as breaking the encryption to rip a movie.
[11:18] <IceDC571> i cant believe walmart gave in to their deal
[11:19] <Edulix> IceDC571: I think that if they do that it's because it's legal, and they are surely more informed than me, I don't know about you...
[11:19] <Amaranth> Edulix: No, the guy that started linspire just likes to piss big people off.
[11:19] <IceDC571> linspire has been in court several times
[11:20] <monchichi> who owns the css license?
[11:20] <ailean> me
[11:20] <Amaranth> dvdcca
[11:20] <monchichi> can i watch the movies i bought?
[11:20] <monchichi> pllleease?
[11:20] <IceDC571> the css? i have no idea, decss.. no one
[11:22] <ailean> but surely the dvd libs are as legal as the openoffice word format?
[11:22] <Amaranth> no
[11:22] <ailean> openoffice have reverse engineered that, just as the dvd libs have been reverse engineered
[11:23] <IceDC571> theres things you arent supposed to reverse engineer due to copyright laws
[11:23] <Amaranth> well, i suppose you could try to get in on the DMCA's reverse engineering clause, but no one has successfully done so yet
[11:23] <IceDC571> openoffice format isnt a reversed engineered word format, they're different
[11:23] <jeroen_> ailean, maybe, but US law is fucked up
[11:23] <ailean> i know
[11:23] <jeroen_> because it is encrypted it's evil
[11:23] <Amaranth> plus iirc illegally releasing a trade secret doesn't make it lose it's trade secret status
[11:24] <Edulix> IceDC571: if it isn't reverse enginereed then how did they achieve that ?
[11:24] <ailean> online gambling is illegal - from a country with the biggest gambling industry in the world . . .
[11:24] <Amaranth> Edulix: They took the key out of a player
[11:24] <Amaranth> after that people figured out how to generate keys
[11:24] <IceDC571> reverse engineering isnt illegal until you break a copyright law
[11:24] <nico_32> hi
[11:24] <Edulix> oh
[11:24] <Amaranth> at least i think so
[11:25] <Amaranth> i could go ask jon, but i think he is sleeping :)
[11:25] <Dr_Melectaus> is there anyway to set a program back to default, for some reason gaimbittorrent aint working
[11:25] <Edulix> some countries have very controversial laws, specially the US...
[11:25] <Dr_Melectaus> gnome**
[11:25] <jeroen_> reverse engineering is legal in most European countries when done for compatability
[11:25] <IceDC571> thats why compaq reverse engineered ibm build a pc.. or whatever that thing was called before, and it was perfectly legal
[11:25] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: completely remove it in synaptic and reinstall it
[11:25] <ailean> it should be legal if only to stop market dominance
[11:25] <Dr_Melectaus> Amaranth, thanks
[11:26] <Amaranth> IceDC571: The IBM PC BIOS didn't have encryption on it
[11:26] <jeroen_> for example the Dutch copyright law clearly states that you can reverse-engineer for compatability
[11:26] <Amaranth> IceDC571: And that was a strict clean room reimplementation
[11:26] <ailean> what about wine?
[11:26] <ailean> recreating windows to run windows programs without buying windows
[11:26] <Amaranth> you can't patent, copyright, or trademark an API, wine is fine
[11:26] <kpagarigan_> hello to all
[11:26] <Edulix> hi
[11:26] <Amaranth> they aren't emulating windows
[11:27] <Amaranth> they're implementing the win32 api
[11:27] <IceDC571> wine is not an emulator ;)
[11:27] <monchichi> you can patent a double click but not an api?
[11:27] <monchichi> wow
[11:27] <ailean> no, they're trying to recreate it, no?
[11:27] <Amaranth> they aren't trying to recreate windows
[11:27] <Amaranth> that's reactos
[11:27] <ailean> the double click wasn't patented was it?? :)
[11:27] <jeroen_> ReactOS
[11:27] <monchichi> MS has the patent on the double click
[11:28] <Edulix> in fact the pantent is in n-click
[11:28] <Amaranth> ailean: clicking an input device on a mobile device a certain number of times does a certain action
[11:28] <Amaranth> that's what was patented
[11:28] <IceDC571> i love how apple still has one mouse button to make our lives miserable
[11:28] <ukato> "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program", anybody know how i could fix that
[11:28] <Edulix> so that depending on the number of clicks you do you can configure different actions to be executed
[11:28] <LinuxNewbie> hello to all
[11:29] <Amaranth> IceDC571: It forces application developers to not have things that are only available from context menus.
[11:29] <Amaranth> IceDC571: and it's easier for a newb
[11:29] <Amaranth> ukato: kill esd
[11:29] <jeroen_> found it: Article 45m of the Dutch copyright law (auteurswet)
[11:29] <lifeless> Amaranth: one mouse button does not force that
[11:30] <lifeless> Amaranth: see for instance the apple key, option key, ctrl key and various combinations
[11:30] <LinuxNewbie> is there a way to manage the internet connection of the usernames, in ubuntu?
[11:30] <ukato> thank you amaranth
[11:30] <Amaranth> lifeless: Any Mac application that uses a context menu ('right-click menu') for something that you can't get to from anywhere else was written by morons.
[11:31] <monchichi> linuxnewbie, you have to recompile your kernel first
[11:31] <LinuxNewbie> really?
[11:31] <LinuxNewbie> how can i do that?
[11:31] <monchichi> no// i thought you were kidding
[11:32] <Amaranth> monchichi: Why do you have to recompile your kernel to disable internet access for certain users?
[11:32] <Amaranth> afaik you just have to remove them from a certain group
[11:32] <LinuxNewbie> yes
[11:32] <LinuxNewbie> that is what i want
[11:32] <monchichi> ah
[11:32] <monchichi> my apologies
[11:32] <LinuxNewbie> its ok
[11:32] <LinuxNewbie> so is there a way?
[11:33] <Prottie> how do I check the resolution of X?
[11:33] <monchichi> i think amaranth is on the right track, you need to set up groups
[11:33] <Amaranth> LinuxNewbie: Yeah, but I don't know the name of the group.
[11:33] <lifeless> Amaranth: I didn't justify it, I was pointing out that a single mouse button has NOTHING to do with that.
[11:33] <monchichi> give oly certain users access to /dev/eth0 or hatever
[11:34] <LinuxNewbie> set up groups?
[11:34] <jeroen_> (my translation): It is not seen as a violation on a work as ment in article 10, first "lid", under 12 to make a copy of the work en translating the codeform of it, provided these actions are unmissable to get the information needed to get interoperability of an independentenly made computerprogram with other computerprograms, provided [[some other stuff] ]
[11:34] <monchichi> a group, rather
[11:34] <IceDC571> Amaranth: when are you going to be off the windows machine?
[11:34] <Amaranth> jeroen_: So you have the EU's DMCA, nice.
[11:35] <Amaranth> jeroen_: The DMCA says something about reverse engineering being okay too, no one has been crazy enough to try to test it.
[11:35] <Amaranth> IceDC571: Hopefully monday, otherwise next monday.
[11:35] <jeroen_> Amaranth, but the DMCA won't allow it when the data is encrypted, right?
[11:36] <jeroen_> I mean, they won't allow you to break the encryption, making it illegal, Amaranth
[11:36] <cion> hey guys newbie here: whats' the best folder to put large data?
[11:36] <jeroen_> cion, if it's personal data: your home folder
[11:36] <IceDC571> cion: pretty much anywhere in your home folder.. if you're using it for yourself
[11:37] <monchichi> linuxnewbie: addgroup networking;chgrp networking /dev/eth0; chmod 770 /dev/eth0
[11:37] <cion> and 2 question: do i need to run manually firestarter in order to run firewall? or is firewall running form boot already?
[11:37] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Not sure about that.
[11:37] <Edulix> jeroen_: at least the encription can't be strong, because it's not allowed (in the US) :P
[11:37] <monchichi> linuxnewbie, then add the users that you want access to the "networking" group
[11:37] <IceDC571> cion: firewall should already be running (iptables)
[11:37] <Amaranth> Edulix: strong encryption is legal
[11:37] <cion> ICE: what do u mean?
[11:37] <jeroen_> Edulix, but if you're not allowed to crack it, it's still a problem, no matter how weak
[11:38] <Edulix> jeroen_: well of course
[11:38] <Amaranth> adobe used rot13 and sucessfully used the DMCA to stop people 'cracking' it
[11:38] <IceDC571> cion: the firewall should already be running on boot, i think firestarter would tell you if its not running
[11:38] <ukato> is firestarter just a graphical front end for iptables
[11:38] <monchichi> linuxnewbie: and then youd have to run the chgrp and chmod commands at startup by adding them to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:38] <cion> ICe: is there a way to check if firewall is already running?
[11:38] <IceDC571> ukato: exactly.
[11:39] <ukato> icedc571, would you recommend using firestarter, or iptables
[11:39] <ukato> or does it not matter
[11:39] <IceDC571> firestarter is a GUI frontend, it wont matter
[11:39] <IceDC571> whatever is easier for you
[11:39] <ukato> oh okay
[11:39] <Edulix> Amaranth: I've read that you're not allowed to use or have strong encryption software, "it's considered more or less as risky as having a nuclear weapon"
[11:39] <ukato> thanks
[11:39] <Amaranth> This message is ROT-26 encrypted. Decryption and reading of this message is a violation of the DMCA and EUCD.
[11:40] <cion> THX all bye
[11:40] <Amaranth> Edulix: Not true at all. I have my gpg
[11:40] <Amaranth> Edulix: It used to be illegal to export strong encryption.
[11:40] <Amaranth> Edulix: That's where that quote comes from.
[11:41] <jeroen_> Amaranth, but some court ruled that encrypting data was dodgy, it could mean terrorist/criminal activity
[11:41] <Amaranth> We had the best and weren't allowed to give it out to non-friendly states.
[11:41] <Amaranth> jeroen_: It's contempt of court and jail time if you refuse to give them your key.
[11:41] <Edulix> Amaranth: ah yeah, googling I found that
[11:42] <jeroen_> Amaranth, makes no sense
[11:42] <Edulix> Amaranth: sorry for the missconception, thanks for the update ;)
[11:42] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Sure it does.
[11:42] <IceDC571> happy canada day everyone!!
[11:42] <jeroen_> IceDC571, ?
[11:42] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Encryption can't save you from the courts. They get access to everything related to the trial.
[11:43] <Edulix> jeroen_:; i've just read what Amaranth said in http://counsellingresource.com/aboutsite/securitydetails.html
[11:43] <Amaranth> jeroen_: If busted, encrypt drive with random key.
[11:43] <jeroen_> Amaranth, and how will they prove it's related?
[11:43] <Amaranth> jeroen_: If it's computer related you have to give up your key.
[11:43] <Amaranth> good talk
[11:44] <Prottie> how do I wake a cumputer after hibernate?
[11:44] <curut> hey any of u guys know what is sox pakage?
[11:44] <Prottie> a dell inspiron 510m
[11:44] <LinuxNewbie> ok mono wait
[11:44] <Edulix> curut: "universal sound sample translator"
[11:44] <LinuxNewbie> ill try what you said
[11:44] <jeroen_> Prottie, just turn it on again
[11:45] <Prottie> with the powerbutton?
[11:45] <Edulix> Prottie: press boot button and select ubuntu in grub
[11:45] <curut> i am trying to intall amsn then they say i need soc, docker, tlctls packages any of u guys know waht is it?
[11:45] <jeroen_> Prottie, yes
[11:45] <Prottie> oooh..
[11:45] <Prottie> yes it booted faster now
[11:45] <Edulix> :)
[11:45] <Prottie> so hybernate is not the same as sleep then
[11:45] <Prottie> hehe
[11:45] <jeroen_> curut, sox is for sound, docker is for traydock, tcl tk runs amsn
[11:45] <LinuxNewbie> monchi
[11:45] <jeroen_> Prottie, no
[11:45] <Edulix> PRottie: sleep keep things in ram
[11:46] <LinuxNewbie> could you give me the exact command
[11:46] <Prottie> yhis was cool
[11:46] <curut> jeroen_, y does intalling amsn need it?
[11:46] <jeroen_> Prottie, hibernate puts the stuff in ram onto the harddisk
[11:46] <Edulix> PRottie: hibernate put everything on disk and halt the computer completly
[11:46] <Prottie> okay
[11:46] <curut> jeroen_, y i mean the docker and done msn have tcl tk then? since it need it
[11:46] <jeroen_> curut, amsn is written in the tcl/tk language.
[11:46] <monchichi> linuxnewbie: sudo addgroup networking;chgrp networking /dev/eth0; chmod 770 /dev/eth0
[11:46] <jeroen_> curut, therefore it needs tcl/tk packages to be run
[11:46] <Prottie> ubuntu was very good on laptops then
[11:47] <Prottie> everything worked "out of the box"
[11:47] <monchichi> linuxnewbie: im assuming its ethernet at /dev/eth0?
[11:47] <LinuxNewbie> yes
[11:47] <nightswim> not /dev/eth0
[11:47] <nightswim> but eth0
[11:47] <jeroen_> curut, also, if you want to see display pictures with the stable version (non-CVS), you should install the things in the 'recommened' section
[11:47] <monchichi> linuxnewbie and wait
[11:47] <ukato> should ripping a CD go at the speed of the CD-ROM drive
[11:48] <ukato> or close to it
[11:48] <jsimmons> can i use aptitude to install a pack I downloaded?
[11:48] <monchichi> LinuxNewbie,  sudo addgroup networking;sudo chgrp networking /dev/eth0; sudo chmod 770 /dev/eth0
[11:48] <curut> jeroen_, oo ty the recommended section in the amsn web?
[11:48] <jsimmons> pack=package
[11:48] <jeroen_> jsimmons, maybe, but just use dpkg -i
[11:48] <jsimmons> k
[11:48] <IceDC571> ukato: it depends what your ripping speed is, usually its a bit slower than average cd drive speed
[11:48] <jeroen_> jsimmons, for example: "sudo dpkg -i packageblabla.deb" (without quotes, in a terminal)
[11:49] <monchichi> LinuxNewbie: im going to sleep now, good luck
[11:49] <ukato> icedc571, well, i'm ripping at like 3x, and i think that's kinda slow, considering the CD rom drive is 52x
[11:49] <jeroen_> curut, no, what Synaptic suggests
[11:49] <dystopia> is it possible to install hoary on a machine which is running Debian Sarge on that moment?
[11:49] <jeroen_> dystopia, you mean by dist-upgradeing?
[11:49] <IceDC571> ukato: some old drives rip slow, or maybe you might want to enable dma
[11:49] <Madeye> how to sort files by date?
[11:50] <ukato> icedc571, use "hdparm" for the enabling dma, right?
[11:50] <IceDC571> yep
[11:50] <curut> jeroen_, erm how do i see that? sry i am kinda new this is the first time i using linux
[11:50] <dystopia> jeroen_: i was thinking chroot then doing some magik? i'm wondering about the magik :)
[11:50] <mwe> maddler, ls -t
[11:51] <ukato> okay, do i have to reset anything after i enable DMA, or is it good
[11:51] <IceDC571> its good to go
[11:51] <ukato> hurray. the drive is really old so it might not work anyway, but oh well
[11:51] <ukato> anyone know of a good program that makes images from a CD
[11:51] <javier_> hello
[11:52] <javier_> i need a file please
[11:52] <LinuxNewbie> ok thanks alot
[11:52] <jeroen_> curut, In synaptic, right-click on amsn -> mark suggested for installation -> imagemagick. That'll select imagemagick for installations aswell. You don't need to install the other 3 things Amsn suggests, they're 3 different browsers (and shouldn't really show up there)
[11:52] <javier_> i need the apache2.conf
[11:52] <javier_> please
[11:53] <Edulix> javier: the default one
[11:53] <javier_> anybody sendme this file?
[11:53] <hyphenated> ukato: k3b can do it if you want a gui, or dd if you want something on the command line. there's probably plenty of other tools to do it as well
[11:53] <jeroen_> dystopia, Do you have a separate /home? It should be easy then. I don't know if dist-upgrade will work, for example because Ubuntu uses Xorg and Debian Xfree
[11:53] <jeroen_> javier_, you don't have a backup, like apache2.conf~ ?
[11:53] <ukato> hyphenated, ok, thanks
[11:53] <Edulix> javier_: sorry I haven't got it installed
[11:54] <javier_> no sorry
[11:54] <Edulix> javier_: you might just extract it from the deb package, I think
[11:54] <javier_> the file is corrupt
[11:54] <Edulix> javier_:  the deb package ?
[11:54] <dystopia> jeroen_: no but i could make an image there or sth, the problem is my CD writer only writer 650 MB CDs and i don't have those anymore, i have no floppy drive, i don't know how to do netboot on x86, and i need ubuntu on it for someone else to use that comp b/c i won't be able to admin it for her
[11:54] <Edulix> then redowload it
[11:55] <javier_> i uninstall apache2 but i install now and this file not create the system
[11:55] <javier_> im spanish
[11:55] <javier_> sorry my inglish is very bad
[11:55] <Edulix> javier_: no pasa nada ;)
[11:55] <wdh> javier_, join #ubuntu-es then :)
[11:56] <javier_> gracias
[11:56] <ateves> is there a nice editor for gnome that has different syntax highlightings like notepad++ or weaverslave?
[11:56] <nightswim> vim
[11:56] <ateves> vim is only console based, right?
[11:57] <wdh> ateves, several.. i guess you will find a few in synaptic
[11:57] <curut> jeroen_, oo ty hey erm... i got problem installing ^^, the msg say setting up amsn.....      then nothing happen
[11:57] <dystopia> jeroen_: else, do you have cd writer? i pay 5 EUR for a CD+shipping. Living in NL..
[11:57] <mwe> use gvim if you don't like the console
[11:57] <jeroen_> dystopia, I wouldn't know what to do then..
[11:58] <jeroen_> dystopia, you can order Free CDs at www.shipit.ubuntulinux.org, but they might take a while to arrive
[11:58] <dystopia> yea, takes too long:>
[11:58] <jeroen_> dystopia, I live in NL aswell
[11:58] <rootbeer> i just ordered those freebies..  If I click on tesst voice, I also hear no speech. Advice please ?
[12:00] <jeroen_> curut, you just run "amsn"
[12:00] <Dreco> Sorry in specific the screen reader
[12:00] <jeroen_> curut, isn't it in the menu? Apps -> internet -> amsn
[12:00] <rootbeer> stupid question.. but anyone recommend a antivirus prgm for ubuntu?
[12:01] <Seveas> rootbeer, clamav
[12:01] <curut> jeroen_, ok lol nvm i am just asking dumb question hahahah
[12:01] <wdh> dystopia, i have no problems sending you a cd..
[12:01] <jeroen_> curut, :p
[12:01] <rootbeer> Seveas, thx
[12:01] <ukato> do i need antivirus and anti spyware
[12:01] <curut> jeroen_, o ty very much for ur help i learned alot abt linux today hahahha i am head to bed and continue tomorrow
[12:01] <Dreco> Seveas, does clamav run "live" or does it manually have to be run to scan ?
[12:01] <jeroen_> curut, good night
[12:02] <Seveas> Dreco, no idea :)
[12:02] <Seveas> never used it
[12:02] <Dreco> lol ok
[12:02] <ukato> seveas, what do you use
[12:02] <Seveas> Common Sense :)
[12:02] <Dreco> Question: I am trying to get Gnopernicus to work, I can hear system and click sounds but no speech. If I click on tesst voice, I also hear no speech for the screen reader.
[12:02] <ukato> ha
[12:02] <mwe> wherer can you dl that?
[12:02] <mwe> :)
[12:03] <ukato> seveas, for someone new to linux, might it be a good idea to get antivirus or antispyware
[12:03] <wdh> ukato, nope
[12:03] <Seveas> ukato, indeed
[12:03] <ukato> :|
[12:03] <Seveas> especially if they run a mailserver
[12:03] <Seveas> otherwise not really ;)
[12:03] <wdh> uhm.. yes.. on a server it might be usefull :)
[12:04] <ukato> oh ok
[12:04] <jeroen_> the risk of viruses and spyware on a linux system is quite low
[12:04] <wdh> but only to protect windows machines :)
[12:04] <jeroen_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ ukato
[12:04] <ukato> that would only be my brother's, and serves him right :P
[12:04] <Seveas> lol :)
[12:04] <Dreco> guys any help with sound and gnopernicus please...
[12:05] <Seveas> Dreco, the obvious thing to look for is whether Gnopernicus ie set to use ESD
[12:05] <Dreco> I understand its not something most ppl use
[12:06] <ukato> jeroen_, whoa, those numbers are pretty crazy
[12:06] <mazemaster> hello
[12:07] <mazemaster> I am having trouble getting my netgear pa101 usb phoneline network card working with ndiswrapper. I am also a linux noob.
[12:07] <Dreco> Seveas, I dont see that option anywhere under the preferences
[12:08] <mazemaster> I followed the tutorial at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[12:09] <mazemaster> basically it amounted to compiling ndiswrapper-1.2, and then trying to get it to install the windows drivers
[12:11] <mazemaster> when I run ndiswrapper -l, I get "bcm42u driver present, hardware present" (as expected), and I added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules, but upon restart I don't think it it loading correctly
[12:12] <Seveas> mazemaster, what does ifconfig -a say?
[12:12] <crysss> Where can I find information about which gcc version and options where used for amd64 packages?
[12:12] <mazemaster> uhm, i dont know. im on dual boot, i would have to restart to find out
[12:13] <mazemaster> under the "network config thing" (adminstration -> network), it shows my ethernet card, but not the pa101
[12:15] <mazemaster> I was guessing that if everything worked correctly it would show wlan0 there, except all it shows is the elao0 which is my standard network card
[12:15] <Dreco> there is nothing on the forums even for gnopernicus
[12:16] <mazemaster> crysss, is it worth restarting to find out what ipconfig -a says?
[12:16] <rob^> is anyone else having problems reading dvd+r that they just burnt?
[12:17] <rob^> cdr are no problem, just dvds
[12:17] <Whistler> HI
[12:18] <Whistler> is there any software to create flash movies on ubuntu?
[12:20] <mazemaster> Can anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[12:21] <bobbyd_> hi, does anyone know of a tool that will compare local and remote (ftp) directories for differences?
[12:21] <Dr_Melectaus> gnomebittorrent doesnt seem to be working :-\
[12:23] <ukato> thanks for everyone's help
[12:23] <ukato> night all
[12:24] <Whistler> Dr_Melectaus use azureus
[12:24] <ateves> i don't get it! when i set the path with my java sdk directory, it works fine until i close the consle, then it says "command not found" again
[12:25] <ateves> and i have to set it up again
[12:25] <Dr_Melectaus> Whistler, can i apt-get azureus
[12:26] <administrador> hola
[12:28] <Whistler> Dr_Melectaus sudo apt-get install azureus
[12:31] <Choubaka> since when has azu been apt-gettable? :/
[12:31] <Choubaka> It depends on Sun's newest java.
[12:31] <goldfish_> when u add those sources from that site we're not allowed mention
[12:31] <Dr_Melectaus> nah it aint apt getting
[12:31] <Choubaka> goldfish_: oh, haha
[12:32] <goldfish_> noice
[12:32] <Choubaka> Only one ubuntu running anymore :/
[12:32] <fge> Choubaka, your nick is very similar to Chewbacca in Star Wars univewrse. Interesting
[12:32] <Choubaka> fge: You only think it is.
[12:33] <Choubaka> fge: It isn't.
[12:33] <fge> ok
[12:33] <zenwhen> o
[12:33] <Choubaka> fge: I get that a lot nonetheless.
[12:33] <Dreco> Question; I am able to vnc out from a ubuntu machine but can not vnc in to that machine, connection refused, I have never had problems with vnc before on new installations
[12:33] <lordi_> Hi, is there a tool to sync directories?
[12:33] <nightswim> rsync
[12:34] <lordi_> thx
[12:37] <ricjd> hey, does anyone know where i can download the w32codecs sources on the net?
[12:38] <ricjd> or even better, can anyone tell me how i can get apt-get to install them when i have extra repostiries? i'm on amd 64
[12:38] <Prottie> hmmmm dont think the sources are availible. I guess you are talking about the codecs for mplayer?
[12:39] <ricjd> yeah, i'm having a right 'mare. apt-get won't install them, something to do with them not being avalible for amd64 i think
[12:41] <emilio> (spanish)i have a problem with the mbr .can i to installar grub from the cd ubuntu
[12:41] <tombs> good morning everyone
[12:43] <yuval> Will Breezy be realesed with debian-installer? Will the live-cd's graphical installer be ready for Breezy? Thanks
[12:44] <lifeless> yuval: is that one question or two ?
[12:44] <yuval> two :-)
[12:44] <lifeless> AIUI we're staying with d-i for breezy, and no.
[12:45] <lifeless> but - I'm not tracking this specifically, grain of salt rules apply.
[12:45] <jo> 2.6.12-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Jun 28 15:24:36 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:45] <lifeless> have a look at udu.wiki.ubuntu.com at the GraphicalInstaller spec though, it should be tracking status.
[12:45] <jo> br was bit hardt
[12:46] <yuval> lifeless: Thanks.
[12:47] <sickness> hello
[12:47] <sickness> hello
[12:47] <sickness> Hi I just installed ubuntu and it never asked me for a root password or admin password
[12:47] <sickness> any ideas?
[12:47] <sickness> i t would be nice to suid root heh
[12:47] <Whistler> it isnt supposed to ask pass
[12:47] <ricjd> it's ben disabled, everything is done through sudo
[12:48] <sickness> hmmm so there is no troot user?
[12:48] <sickness> whats the point of that?
[12:48] <ricjd> it tells you how to enable it here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[12:49] <Seveas> ricjd, DO NOT give bad advise
[12:49] <Seveas> sickness: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:50] <sickness> k
[12:50] <sickness> I understand what sudo is
[12:50] <Seveas> sickness, ubuntu uses sudo by default, you can get a root shell with sudo -i
[12:50] <Seveas> sickness, ok, most people that ask in here don't :)
[12:51] <sickness> I am asuming the ability to utilize the sudo command is controled through the /etc/group file?
[12:51] <Choubaka> sickness: no.
[12:51] <Seveas> sickness, no
[12:51] <Choubaka>  /etc/suid.conf
[12:51] <Seveas> it's /etc/sudoers
[12:51] <Choubaka> eh
[12:52] <Choubaka> sudoers :P
[12:52] <Choubaka> damn tabcomplete ;P
[12:52] <Seveas> sickness, and in Hoary, partially in /etc/group: members of the 'admin' group have full access :)
[12:53] <Choubaka> use "visudo" to edit the sudoers file though.
[12:54] <sickness> hmmm I will have to read up
[12:54] <emilio> good mornig
[12:54] <Whistler> is there any software to create flash movies on ubuntu?
[12:55] <Choubaka> I would be grateful if there were even a proper flash plugin :P
[12:55] <thisfred> Whistler, there's Ming, (not ubuntu specific) but that's pretty basic
[12:55] <rob^> anyone had problems burning dvd+r's?
[12:55] <rob^> I cant get mine to work properly
[12:55] <rob^> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=236830#post236830
[12:56] <emilio> how do i go to canal spanish,please  i do not know well the program ircap
[12:56] <mjr> rob^, no problems with growisofs (from dvd+rwtools)
[12:56] <Nermal>  /join #ubuntu-es
[12:56] <mjr> haven't tried the other stuff
[12:56] <Seveas> emilio, type: /join #ubuntu-es
[12:56] <emilio> thank you
[12:56] <rob^> mjr, the details are on that url
[12:57] <rob^> if your intrested
[12:57] <mjr> yeah, seems so; sorry, don't know about that
[12:57] <mjr> anyway, it shouldn't require any extra settings or anything
[12:57] <carsten> Moin. I don't find the package with which "mail" comes. Does anybody know?
[12:57] <rob^> I wouldnt think so either, but its not happening..
[12:57] <mjr> rob^, though perchance you might want to check that dma is enabled
[12:58] <rob^> it is, does it need to be off?
[12:58] <mjr> rob^, no
[12:58] <mjr> but still of course you might try the other setting, if your drive and the linux dvd driver are quarreling a bit with it on
[12:59] <mjr> (my NEC burns fine both ways)
[12:59] <rob^> I'm getting a lot of these: :-? the LUN appears to be stuck writing LBA=2940h, retry in 70ms
[01:00] <LinuxNewbie> hello
[01:00] <mjr> yep, don't know anything about that
[01:00] <LinuxNewbie> is there a site that i can go to for the step by step tutorials of sharing the internet connection using squid?
[01:00] <rob^> its the only thing of note I can see
[01:00] <LinuxNewbie> i cant seem to find one
[01:01] <rob^> and then something about Close Session failed
[01:01] <rob^> resource temp unavailable
[01:01] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, squid does not share the internet connection...
[01:01] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:01] <LinuxNewbie> so its a proxy?
[01:01] <Seveas> linuxboy, with FireStarter you can very easily set connection sharing up...
[01:02] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, indeed :)
[01:02] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:02] <LinuxNewbie> ok where can i get firestarter?
[01:03] <LinuxNewbie> what is the command?
[01:03] <LinuxNewbie> usually its sudo right?
[01:03] <joachim> arg! the BOINC GUI app just CRASHED my system. *grrr*
[01:03] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install firestarter
[01:03] <Seveas> and then applications -> internet -> firestarter
[01:03] <Whistler> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[01:03] <Whistler> :
[01:03] <rob^> bbs
[01:03] <Whistler> :)
[01:04] <Hoxzer_> http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Kiran&image_id=14362293 <-this thing is fully natural and there is nonthing perverted
[01:04] <LinuxNewbie> ok now its installing
[01:04] <LinuxNewbie> got a another question
[01:05] <LinuxNewbie> is there a way to manage the internet connections of students usernames?
[01:05] <Whistler> whats the diference between apt-get and aptitude?
[01:05] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, what do you mean..?
[01:05] <sly> Mooooooooorning
[01:05] <LinuxNewbie> like a certain username can have internet and the other dont
[01:05] <Seveas> Whistler, aptitude is better at uninstalling unneeded dependencies
[01:06] <Seveas> Whistler, and it has an ncurses interface :)
[01:06] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, hmm, that might be a bit difficult...
[01:06] <Whistler> Seveas ok thx :)
[01:06] <Dr_Melectaus> nn
[01:06] <LinuxNewbie> or better yet is there another distro that can do that
[01:07] <slept> LinuxNewbie, for modems there is a group called dialout
[01:07] <Seveas> LinuxNewbie, i don't think so...
[01:07] <Seveas> slept, but that is not for general 'internet access'...
[01:08] <LinuxNewbie> ah ok
[01:08] <LinuxNewbie> men the terminal have finish installing firestarter
[01:08] <LinuxNewbie> but i cant see it in the application>internet
[01:09] <sly> system tools
[01:09] <LinuxNewbie> tnx men
[01:10] <morgs> Hi, I need help with onboard sound using via82cxxxx...
[01:10] <LinuxNewbie> men what do you think about red hat?
[01:11] <LinuxNewbie> do you think its ok?
[01:11] <joachim> what does CTRL-ALT-ESC do in GNOME?
[01:11] <LinuxNewbie> got some quick question again
[01:12] <LinuxNewbie> when you use the sudo get-apt install [the feature]
[01:12] <LinuxNewbie> does it search the internet for that feature
[01:12] <LinuxNewbie> like the firestarter?
[01:13] <joachim> LinuxNewbie, it looks in the repository which is on the net
[01:13] <joachim> though actually, AFAIK it searches your local copy of the database
[01:13] <joachim> ... which is why you have to do update too
[01:13] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:13] <morgs> LinuxNewbie: you can see all the packages in Synaptic Package Manager. "sudo apt-get install ..." is the command line equivalent.
[01:14] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:14] <CarlFK> how can I tell if a box is hoary or breezy?
[01:14] <LinuxNewbie> so whats the difference between the terminal anf the root termianl?
[01:15] <CarlFK> duh.. apt sources...
[01:15] <jaga> hi
[01:15] <slept> LinuxNewbie, it looks on a local   database which you update with apt-get update, you can search the database with apt-cache search
[01:15] <christos_> has anyone installed scilab?
[01:15] <jaga> is any one who will help me in making my songs to play in my ubuntu
[01:15] <jaga> i just installed
[01:15] <jaga> i do not know
[01:15] <morgs> LinuxNewbie: terminal runs as your normal user, and root terminal runs as the user "root" which has administative powers.
[01:15] <jaga> its wont play any music
[01:15] <jaga> i am quite bord
[01:15] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:16] <markuman> at the moment i have a nvidia card with "nv" driver under xorg. can i switch to an ATI card without changing something in xorg?
[01:16] <LinuxNewbie> what is this that you said a while ago?
[01:16] <LinuxNewbie>  apt-cache
[01:16] <jaga> my wireless lan is alsonot working
[01:16] <slept> LinuxNewbie, you can try in terminal with --help
[01:17] <slept> or man apt-cache
[01:17] <morgs> LinuxNewbie: apt-cache looks in your local database (cache) of packages.
[01:18] <slept> markuman, no you'll have to install restricted modules and change xorg-driver to fglrx
[01:18] <LinuxNewbie> i need to install some cache?
[01:19] <markuman> what kind of restricet modules?
[01:19] <markuman> i don't need 3D support for the first. is fglrx the same like nv is for nvidia cards?
[01:21] <morgs> LinuxNewbie: no, it's automatic. You can manage installed packages using Synaptic Package Manager, or you can do it with the command line. If you use the command line, apt-cache is the command to search through the local database (or cache) of the list of packages that you can install over the net.
[01:21] <{Seb}> where is the Xorg.log located?
[01:21] <{Seb}> after upgrading to breezy
[01:21] <slept> markuman, then you can use ati, if you want to use the nonfree driver you can find out your kernel version with uname -r and search for linux-restricted-modules-... install those with your kernelversion at the end
[01:21] <{Seb}> when i login i get nothing
[01:22] <{Seb}> any ideas?
[01:22] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:22] <LinuxNewbie> ic
[01:22] <slept> {Seb} use locate ... and look at the topic
[01:22] <LinuxNewbie> thnx alot
[01:23] <markuman> ok thx slept
[01:23] <morgs> I'm trying to get sound working on a via onboard soundcard on hoary - no luck. Anyone got suggestions?
[01:23] <LinuxNewbie> sev
[01:23] <LinuxNewbie> got a question
[01:24] <Prottie> morgs: where does it stops?
[01:24] <Prottie> does the module loads okay?
[01:24] <LinuxNewbie> is it possible that XP clients to connect to the ubuntu server that i have?
[01:24] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: yeah. through putty
[01:24] <Prottie> (ssh)
[01:24] <LinuxNewbie> like the host name that i specified is like the Domain name server right?
[01:25] <Prottie> aaaah with smb you meen?
[01:25] <Whistler> is there any way to know my fsb?
[01:25] <Prottie> you need to configure the samba-server then
[01:25] <morgs> Prottie: I have snd_via82xx and snd_ac97_codec loaded
[01:25] <joachim> what's a bittorrent metafile?
[01:25] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: search on google for samba howtos. there are tons that is made like abcs
[01:26] <Prottie> morgs: okay. I dont know which modules are right... checked with alsamixer that the channels arent muted?
[01:26] <morgs> Prottie: I get no sound, just a buzz. All apps work without errors, just no actual sound.
[01:26] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[01:27] <Seveas> joachim, a file with a name ending in .torrent that describes what you can download with it and where
[01:27] <Whistler> is there any way to find out my fsb?
[01:27] <morgs> Prottie: I've checked alsamixer, and the default volume control, nothing muted.
[01:27] <joachim> the GTK bittorrent client is asking me for one on my HD, and won't run unless it gets one!!
[01:27] <Prottie> morgs: okay. sounds like it is muted then.
[01:27] <Prottie> oooh okay...
[01:27] <Prottie> hmmm strange
[01:28] <Prottie> morgs: then I dont know... sorry.
[01:28] <Whistler> is there any way to find out my fsb?
[01:28] <morgs> Prottie: what's a good app to test with? I have xmms, but I'm not sure if it's using alsa or esd or oss...
[01:29] <jaga> hi
[01:29] <Whistler> anybody knows how can i find out my fsb?
[01:29] <jaga> will any one help me to configer my misc
[01:29] <jaga> its not playing
[01:31] <LinuxNewbie> have another question
[01:31] <Prottie> morgs: you can check in the config what xmms use. but I am not sure if xmms supports alsa. load alsas oss-module.
[01:31] <LinuxNewbie> when you create users in ubuntu
[01:31] <Nermal> oh good!
[01:31] <sly> hmm recomended appz for burning video-dvd , and please dont say k3b :)
[01:31] <LinuxNewbie> i cant find the option that the user change thier password
[01:31] <LinuxNewbie> upon logon?
[01:32] <Nermal> LinuxNewbie, probably isn't an option...
[01:32] <LinuxNewbie> its a command?
[01:32] <Nermal> unless you do man useradd
[01:32] <Nermal> and see
[01:32] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: tell them to run passwd. dont know of an automated way.
[01:32] <Nermal> Whistler, bios
[01:33] <LinuxNewbie> even though they are in a windows XP?
[01:33] <LinuxNewbie> they can have access to commands in linux?
[01:33] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: still talking about the sambasetup?
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> nope
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> i found the samba setup
[01:34] <Prottie> well... what do you mean when saying "in XP" then?
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> now for the users im creating
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> my clients are XP
[01:34] <Prottie> they are going to login to the sambaserver then?
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> ubuntu is the server
[01:34] <Prottie> and use it as a domain controler?
[01:34] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[01:35] <Nermal> oh _dear_
[01:35] <Prottie> you have to tell us what you are trying to do :)
[01:35] <LinuxNewbie> so its not the ubuntu will be the domain controller
[01:35] <LinuxNewbie> samba will
[01:35] <Nermal> well duh
[01:35] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: ubuntu is only the distro
[01:35] <Nermal> ubuntu is just a linux distro
[01:35] <enrico> hello everybody
[01:35] <Nermal> not a package
[01:35] <LinuxNewbie> sorry about that
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> im a windows server user
[01:36] <Nermal> lol
[01:36] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: no worries. but I would recomend you do some reading about samba.
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> thats why im very new in linux
[01:36] <Prottie> samba is what you want.
[01:36] <Nermal> you can use windows as a server?
[01:36] <enrico> LinuxNewbie: distribution := collection of packages, meant to work -well- together.
[01:36] <Nermal> people do that ?
[01:36] <Nermal> jeez
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> windows server 2003
[01:36] <jind> Ihttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21455 <- Can anybody successfully use this app?
[01:36] <Nermal> ah.. that marketing package
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> thats why im associating some feature there
[01:36] <LinuxNewbie> to linux
[01:37] <Nermal> too many n00bs
[01:37] <jind> I can use the dvd to watch movies with mplayer, so the dvdrom works. But I can't use that particular program
[01:37] <Prottie> hehe
[01:37] <enrico> did anybody have some problems (breezy) with xorg (too many levels of symbolic links)?
[01:37] <LinuxNewbie> ok now here is what i want to do
[01:37] <LinuxNewbie> ive created shared folders in samba for my users
[01:38] <LinuxNewbie> and ive created some users in system, administratrion, users
[01:38] <Will__> Question: Is there an easy way to 'bridge' 2 network connections? I have a wireless card, and an ethernet card, and I would like to connect the 2, to allow machines connected to the ethernet card to gain access to the network beyond the wireless card (including my DHCP server downstairs)
[01:38] <Myrtti> having breezy equals to suicidal tendencies
[01:39] <Myrtti> sorry, my opinion
[01:39] <rob^> Myrtti, I agree
[01:39] <LinuxNewbie> so the users that ive created in user groups dont have any connection in samba?
[01:39] <holycow> Burgundavia, you around?
[01:39] <enrico> yeah i know .. but now is really too late.
[01:39] <enrico> ive installed it.
[01:39] <enrico> actually .. ive upgraded it.
[01:39] <rasputnik> Will__: yeah, you need to enable packet forwarding
[01:40] <LinuxNewbie> so samba is a separate software all together
[01:40] <rasputnik> Will__: google for 'ip masqerade'
[01:40] <Will__> rasputnik: That should do me, thanks
[01:40] <LinuxNewbie> jesus i though linux is like windows servers
[01:41] <LinuxNewbie> like windows NT, 2003 etx
[01:41] <goldfish_> .....
[01:41] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, the ideal statet of being is to look at windows
[01:41] <holycow> and do the exact opposite of it
[01:41] <holycow> thank god linux does nothing like windows
[01:41] <LinuxNewbie> hahaha...
[01:41] <LinuxNewbie> shame on me
[01:42] <Prottie> hehe
[01:42] <holycow> indeed
[01:42] <holycow> -_-
[01:42] <Originoo> i would like to use ubuntu with gnome and kde. should i install kubuntu first and apt-get all the gnome stuff? or is it the same if i would install ubuntu first and then the kde stuff? (Im askin' because of bugs etc.)
[01:42] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: hold on I will find a very good book you can print!
[01:42] <enrico> LinuxNewbie: you should better pretend to like holycow sayings :)
[01:42] <Will__> rasputnik: With linux I've found as soon as somebody more experienced in a particulat area gives me a key word to search for, my problem is solved. Thanks again
[01:42] <rob^> heh trust Nerolinux to solve my dvd burning problems
[01:42] <LinuxNewbie> so linux gathers different softwares and make them work all together
[01:42] <holycow> or else!
[01:42] <holycow> right enrico ?
[01:42] <LinuxNewbie> so thats the idea right
[01:42] <holycow> >_>
[01:43] <enrico> holycow: ;)
[01:43] <Riddell> Originoo: it's the same either way
[01:43] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, better way to state that is the unix philosophy
[01:43] <holycow> a single tool for a single job, that does the job well
[01:43] <Originoo> Riddell: thx
[01:43] <sktrdie> could anyone help me, I need to reinstall Xorg but I don't know how apt-get works
[01:43] <LinuxNewbie> hahaha...
[01:43] <holycow> the compartmentalization results in robust, stable, scalable, interchangeable systems
[01:43] <holycow> you can get linux to do anything
[01:43] <Originoo> man apt-get :)
[01:43] <LinuxNewbie> i got the idea now
[01:44] <enrico> sktrdie: what's the problem?
[01:44] <holycow> windows has been catching up to unix for the last 25 years essentially
[01:44] <holycow> linux is merely a 'reingeneering' of the unix toolsets and philosophy
[01:44] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba-Guide.pdf print and read this one. it is very good if you want to learn samba.
[01:44] <holycow> and with the freedom, new tools are bein built
[01:44] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, as a very very simple example
[01:44] <rasputnik> Will__: np :) technically you dont need masquerade ( NAT )unless you are trying to let multiple machines share a single ip, but it'll get you lots of good howtos
[01:45] <jaga> hi
[01:45] <Will__> There is something sacred to me about this, my first ubuntu install. Everything so far has just *worked*
[01:45] <holycow> lets say you get a virus/spyware on a windows system and it hoses msie
[01:45] <jaga> will any one help me installing my sound player
[01:45] <jaga> to ubuntu
[01:45] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, how do you fix it?
[01:45] <jaga> its giveng me problme
[01:45] <sktrdie> enrico: for example If i try doing apt-get install mplayer
[01:45] <holycow> answer: you cant you haveto reinstall the whole system because they shoved a tool into the os that doesn't belong there
[01:45] <LinuxNewbie> ok now
[01:45] <holycow> you can't just take ie out and reinstall/repair/etc. right?
[01:45] <Will__> rasputnik: I've usually let ipcop deal with firewall/packet forwarding issues for me. Perhaps today I will learn how to do it myself
[01:45] <holycow> with linux, you can pull any component out, look at it, fix it, config it, etc.
[01:45] <enrico> sktrdie: use aptitude, its better for back-dependencies, you should do "sudo aptitude search whatyoursearching"
[01:46] <holycow> so a: windows is simply a poor set of tools
[01:46] <enrico> sktrdie: then "sudo aptitude install therightname"
[01:46] <holycow> but it also is b: a set of gui wizards that automate most basic tasks
[01:46] <sktrdie> enrico: I think that my X is configured properly, I would like to reinstall it.. how do I do it
[01:46] <holycow> the consequence of b: is that people are tricked into thinking that its okay to be stupid and ignorant
[01:46] <enrico> sktrdie: reinstall it or just reconfigure it?
[01:46] <sktrdie> reisntall
[01:46] <holycow> that you can operate something as complicated as an os with no training / learning /thinking at all
[01:46] <enrico> sktrdie: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for reconfiguring
[01:46] <holycow> and that simply is not true
[01:47] <rasputnik> Will__:  I confess I've never done it in Linux land (I'm a BSD guy, I've only just come back to Linux). But the priciples involved are universal
[01:47] <holycow> so yes, some windows users are put off by linux, primarily because they can no longer be lazy
[01:47] <jaga> will some one give me help to configer my cd player
[01:47] <sktrdie> enrico: reinstall?
[01:47] <holycow> it's a combination of primarily those two that make microsoft a hazard to everyone
[01:47] <enrico> sktrdie: and "sudo aptitude remove xserver-xorg; sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg"
[01:47] <LinuxNewbie> ok can firestarter monitor the website visited on each computer
[01:47] <holycow> otherwise its a company of some very smart and talented people
[01:47] <Will__> rasputnik: I'm BSD also. I turned to ubuntu as...Linux makes a nicer desktop. I can see my BSD server from here. It needs to connect to the net though this box though
[01:47] <Originoo> I've heared there would be some problems when i remove sudo, is it true? i don't like to use sudo...
[01:48] <LinuxNewbie> or buy each log in to samba?
[01:48] <LinuxNewbie> by i mean
[01:48] <Will__> LinuxNewbie: What was your original problem? I think I walked in half-way though this
[01:48] <sktrdie> enrico: ok I'll try that... but yet if i try doing apt-get install mplayer, it installs mplayer, but I dunno how to open it, If I do mpalyer in terminal it wont work
[01:48] <rasputnik> holycow: but a lot of people just want to Get Things Done, don't they? I don't think it's fair to expect them to be gurus. M$ main failing is that they pretend you don't need to know anything
[01:48] <enrico> sktrdie: try mplayer --help
[01:48] <LinuxNewbie> ok will now
[01:49] <CarlFK> Originoo - I don't like to lock my front door, but I got used to it.  you sould keep using sudo untill you get used to it
[01:49] <Will__> sktrdie: I thought the package was mplayer-386 ?
[01:49] <enrico> sktrdie: never used it.
[01:49] <sktrdie> enrico: It doesnt find
[01:49] <holycow> rasputnik, then they shouldn't promise them the world, and lock the thing down
[01:49] <enrico> sktrdie: ahh ok, so its not installed.
[01:49] <Will__> Originoo: You could use su. Maybe setup a shortcut to a root terminal?
[01:49] <jaga> no i never used sktrdie
[01:49] <enrico> sktrdie: maybe you mispelled the package name .. search the right name .. with "sudo aptitude search mplayer"
[01:49] <jaga> i am trying it now
[01:49] <holycow> rasputnik, as well, 'just works' and 'just get something done' is highly subjective
[01:50] <rasputnik> Will__: I'd say they should either sell a black box or a hacker toy, instead of requiring Grannies to understand the danger of DLL conflicts
[01:50] <holycow> a programmers definition of a workflow that fits that will be entirely different from a graphic designers
[01:50] <holycow> as well as a system administrators
[01:50] <sktrdie> enrico: ok the one I isntalled is mplayer-powerpc
[01:50] <holycow> the problem is not 'just get it done', the problem is the user is taught that they can be a system administrator
[01:50] <sktrdie> but if I type "mplayer-powerpc
[01:50] <sktrdie> enrico: nothing happens
[01:50] <LinuxNewbie> is there a software in linux can act up like users can log in to ubuntu ang monitor what they are doing?
[01:50] <enrico> sktrdie: type "mplay" and the press tab
[01:50] <jaga> "sudo aptitude search mplayer" this does not mach any thing
[01:50] <holycow> and a system administrator, like say any other specialty, like a mechanic or a doctor, requires training and knowledge
[01:50] <Will__> Windows isn't that difficult to use or configure. You can do some great things. But it is harder to really understand.
[01:50] <sktrdie> enrico: nope
[01:51] <rasputnik> holycow: I'm really talking about end users who just want a platform to run their life on, be it web/mail/doc editing or CAD
[01:51] <Will__> holycow has a point. I think people are mislead into thinking they can do everything, easily
[01:51] <holycow> i.e. you are either a user or an administrator, just don't like to the user that they can be administrators by merely buying a licence to run an os
[01:51] <holycow> rasputnik, exactly.  but thats just one workflow.
[01:51] <Will__> Should I be drinking 6 shots of espresso for lunch?
[01:51] <sktrdie> o well... enrico: also sound isnt working :(
[01:51] <LinuxNewbie> there is no software that can monitor the client computers
[01:52] <sktrdie> enrico: also do you know where the kernel is located in Ubuntu? I thought it was always /usr/src/linux
[01:52] <LinuxNewbie> like what they are doing, what website they are in
[01:52] <holycow> as a user that wants that workflow to 'just work' he should buy a preinstalled system, installed by someone who knows, managed by someone who understands
[01:52] <enrico> sktrdie: hoary?
[01:52] <holycow> a user without training has no business installing software, setting up firewalls, etc.
[01:52] <sktrdie> yea
[01:52] <jaga> sorry i could not find mplayer
[01:52] <holycow> i realize i'm stating it too black and white, there are shades of grey here, but system administration is not a joke
[01:52] <rasputnik> holycow: but that's true in all OSes, isn't it? you can be clueless on any platform :)
[01:52] <enrico> try typing alsamixer
[01:52] <holycow> its not something you pick up on a weekend
[01:52] <holycow> rasputnik, right exactly
[01:52] <holycow> :)
[01:53] <sktrdie> enrico: that works... I mean if i open XMMS it only runs with the eSound Output Plugin
[01:53] <enrico> sktrdie: and check for wolumes
[01:53] <sktrdie> enrico: but If i select ALSA it doesnt' work
[01:53] <enrico> sktrdie: its ok.. you have esd installed.
[01:53] <holycow> look, just take any of the linux subsystems
[01:53] <holycow> say apache
[01:53] <enrico> sktrdie: you can use esd.
[01:53] <holycow> or samba
[01:53] <sktrdie> enrico: yes but can't I just use ALSA? they say it's better
[01:53] <holycow> or sftp
[01:54] <enrico> sktrdie: kill esd
[01:54] <enrico> ...sorry pkill esd
[01:54] <holycow> administering just those subsystems alone take quite a lot of effort to get really good and knowledgeable at
[01:54] <enrico> and so xorg is working?
[01:54] <sktrdie> enrico: I think I have to configure my kernel for ALSA: do you know how to configure It in UBUNTU?
[01:54] <sktrdie> enrico: there's nothing in /usr/src/linux
[01:54] <holycow> the average windows user has no hope in hell of ever properly running their os, when they are told they can learn to admin a system overnight
[01:54] <holycow> and the botnets are the resulting consequence imho
[01:55] <jaga> "sktrdie" where do i find this
[01:55] <enrico> sktrdie: you dont need to.
[01:55] <enrico> sktrdie: esd is a server, alsa is the driver.
[01:55] <enrico> sktrdie: esd stays on top of alsa or oss.
[01:56] <enrico> jaga: have you enabled universe repositories?
[01:56] <rasputnik> holycow: adminning apache or samba is a specialist skill, but so is using word, I can do the first two in my sleep but burst into tears trying to write a CV
[01:56] <unreal> lol, a whole bunch of "for dummies" books arrived today, I ordered them on amazon.co.uk (cheap prices :P) just to read the funny quotes, C for dummies 2nd edition is one of the funniest... "It's like the instructions on a shampoo bottle, though you don't have to be naked and wet to program a computer."
[01:57] <sktrdie> enrico: by pkill esd I cant play it anymore
[01:57] <sktrdie> o well i need to test X now...
[01:57] <sktrdie> brb
[01:57] <holycow> rasputnik, i think then we are probably saying the same thing
[01:57] <jonbusby> hiya, anyone know how to close pesky java applet windows that dont want to close?
[01:57] <rasputnik> and I'd also add that if you are incompetent using word, you get a shit cv. if you are incompetent and firewall admin, the consequences are more serious
[01:58] <enrico> jonbusby:kill the browser?
[01:58] <rob^> rasputnik, yeah, your cv you made in Word is gone
[01:58] <rob^> :)
[01:58] <jonbusby> preferably without killing the browser
[01:58] <jonbusby> in windows (I hate saying this) they just close, but for some reason in linux they are refusing to close when I tell them too
[01:59] <holycow> what java applet window?
[01:59] <holycow> what are you running?
[01:59] <enrico> what's the browser?
[01:59] <_Grunt_> hello, does anyone know what is the best way to uninstall enemy territory?
[01:59] <holycow> you mean a browser?
[01:59] <rasputnik> rob^: as a separate note, I get very pissed off applying for unix admin jobs and having to fill in an applicatin form in word format.
[02:00] <jonbusby> well no, their java applet windows. I'm running firefox with sun-j2rel.5 java vm
[02:00] <xliu> how to disable the updator when gnome startup?
[02:00] <holycow> okay, what site?
[02:00] <rob^> heh
[02:02] <stig_> how can I get access to my NTFS files from ubuntu? (fresh newbie asking) :)
[02:02] <holycow> stig_, unfortunately for now it requires a bit of work
[02:02] <holycow> a: you will only be able to read the ntfs files
[02:03] <holycow> b) you wont be able to write to an ntfs partition
[02:03] <stig_> I only need to read from it :)
[02:03] <holycow> ms keeps ntfs info secret, and any interim support for write has essentially dissapeared as no one cares enough to maintain the components
[02:03] <holycow> okay
[02:03] <holycow> then
[02:03] <jonbusby> hmmm hang on
[02:03] <jonbusby> may have solved this
[02:03] <jonbusby> brb
[02:03] <holycow> 1. you need to find your ntfs partition with sudo fdisk -l
[02:04] <holycow> 2. you need to create a folder in say /media to wher eyou will mount to the ntfs partition ... mine is /media/ntfs
[02:04] <holycow> 3. you need to add info about the partition to your /etc/fstab
[02:04] <jonbusby> stig_ the ubuntuguide.org is really good on this
[02:04] <holycow> i'll paste a sample that i use
[02:05] <holycow> oh i don't have the line on this system
[02:05] <stig_> holycow: I think I made it it point 3... but dont know how I do that
[02:05] <holycow> google for fstab mount ntfs ... you will get lots of examples of the entry
[02:05] <holycow> the 4. sudo mount /media/ntfs
[02:05] <stig_> ok, thanks
[02:05] <holycow> then 5. you can browse to /metdia/ntfs and read the files from there
[02:06] <holycow> i presume in the future some outomount feature will be available, not sure
[02:06] <holycow> stig_, google step 3 then :) you will need to reaserch a bit, i don't intend on teaching you how to use nano or whatever :)
[02:07] <[noobuntu] > anyone familiar w/ a prob getting the sound running on a K7S41Gx mainboard?
[02:07] <holycow> no, i have tons of those, run ubuntu just fine
[02:08] <holycow> how new is it?
[02:08] <holycow> maybe they have changed the chipset again
[02:08] <Shufla> hello ubuntiers :)
[02:09] <[noobuntu] > chips are SIS SI7012 with CMI 9761 mixer
[02:09] <Dreco> Question: How do I search for a specific file name ?
[02:09] <Shufla> Dreco: find <dir> -name <fname>
[02:09] <[noobuntu] > Dreco, try locate <filename>
[02:09] <Shufla> 49min2go :D
[02:10] <Dreco> thank you
[02:10] <Tomcat_> Dreco: There's also a "Search for file" in the "Places" menu.
[02:11] <[noobuntu] > crimsun is not here..
[02:12] <Dreco> I am trying to find out where wine dumps its fake.windows installation files ?
[02:13] <Dreco> or where I can find fake.windows
[02:13] <Shorty`> ~/
[02:13] <mjr> Dreco, .wine/fake_windows by default, I think
[02:13] <Shorty`> ;)
[02:13] <Dreco> no wine folder under root
[02:14] <holycow> not root
[02:14] <holycow> in your /home/user dir
[02:14] <holycow> open up nautilus, do edit preferences
[02:14] <holycow> check of 'show hidden files'
[02:15] <holycow> then when you open up your home folder from places you will see a .wine dir there
[02:15] <holycow> everything is in there, including windows apps you install
[02:16] <AfroDude> dosen't Ubuntu support read/write to NTFS disks?
[02:17] <holycow> read yes
[02:17] <holycow> write no
[02:17] <holycow> no linux distro properly supports ntfs writes
[02:17] <Dreco> thank you
[02:17] <AfroDude> how/where can I reach it?
[02:17] <holycow> ntfs is proprietary and undocumented, and the project that used the windows dlls to do writing is no longer supported, primarily because no one really cares
[02:17] <holycow> reach what?
[02:18] <AfroDude> a disk with NTFS file system. Tried /dev/hd1, but couldn't open it :/
[02:18] <holycow> let me paste instructions i just gave to anothe guy 2 minutes ago
[02:18] <holycow> holycow 1. you need to find your ntfs partition with sudo fdisk -l
[02:18] <holycow> holycow 2. you need to create a folder in say /media to wher eyou will mount to the ntfs partition ... mine is /media/ntfs
[02:18] <holycow> holycow 3. you need to add info about the partition to your /etc/fstab
[02:19] <holycow> google step 3, i dont have sample line here
[02:19] <holycow> holycow the 4. sudo mount /media/ntfs
[02:19] <holycow> holycow then 5. you can browse to /metdia/ntfs and read the files from there
[02:19] <amnesia> anyone using the cool networkmanager from breezy?
[02:20] <AfroDude> ok, thanks
[02:20] <holycow> amnesia, not until breezy is release
[02:20] <holycow> d
[02:20] <holycow> >_>
[02:22] <amnesia> holycow: oh well, I don't use breezy just upgraded the things needed for NM and beagle, wanted to see them running
[02:22] <amnesia> but I will upgrade after the exams :)
[02:23] <holycow> if you want to play with that stuff, maybe run breezy as a separate instance? that way you can do unlimited damage without harm to the main pc
[02:23] <amnesia> no thanks, I can repair most of that
[02:23] <holycow> cool, whatever
[02:24] <amnesia> I'm just not sure I need to configure the interfaces for hal, since NM says I have no devices :)
[02:27] <LinuxNewbie> hello im back
[02:27] <Albaraha> y doesm
[02:27] <Albaraha> why doesn't gnome reload firefox on the startup?
[02:28] <holycow> what do you mean on startup?
[02:28] <holycow> sounds like the question answers it self
[02:28] <LinuxNewbie> i have read that samba support active directory like windows
[02:29] <LinuxNewbie> how can i download the latest version of samba?
[02:29] <holycow> sudo apt-get install samba
[02:29] <LinuxNewbie> that will install the latest?
[02:30] <Albaraha> holycow, whenever I start the desktop it starts gnome-terminal and xchat automatically
[02:30] <holycow> the latest that counts ... you will have a lot of reading/research to do to get it to work right
[02:30] <Albaraha> but that doesn't happen with firefox
[02:30] <holycow> of course
[02:30] <holycow> you don't have it in your session
[02:30] <holycow> system / preferences / sessions
[02:30] <LinuxNewbie> ok now
[02:31] <LinuxNewbie> in samba you can create usernames?
[02:31] <LinuxNewbie> for students
[02:31] <mcquaid> damnit
[02:31] <holycow> yes, but i'm not a samba expert, i avoid it like the plague, i want no windows compatability anywhere in my world
[02:31] <mcquaid> if compiling something and make fails due to lack of harddrive space is there a way to continue off and not ahve to start over?
[02:32] <Albaraha> There is no application in the list, while I have xchat and gnome-terminal loading at the startup
[02:32] <LinuxNewbie> i can only see that you can create shared foldr
[02:32] <LinuxNewbie> there is no usernames
[02:32] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, you are heavily underestimating how much work your getting your self into
[02:33] <holycow> first this is the wrong channel to ask
[02:33] <holycow> second start buying books :)
[02:34] <LinuxNewbie> linux books are not very popular in our country
[02:34] <LinuxNewbie> usually windows is the prefered OS around here
[02:34] <LinuxNewbie> could you suggest a chanel
[02:35] <holycow> #samba?
[02:35] <holycow> -_-
[02:35] <LinuxNewbie> ok
[02:39] <Prottie> LinuxNewbie: didnt you download the pdf I gave you the link too?
[02:39] <Prottie> that explains samba very well
[02:39] <CarlFK> whats the wiki URL of a sources.list ?
[02:41] <LinuxNewbie> ok last thing how can i use GAIM to access yahoo
[02:42] <delire> LinuxNewbie: create a new 'yahoo' account
[02:42] <LinuxNewbie> found it
[02:42] <LinuxNewbie> thx
[02:44] <thomas__> I want to install xmms-wma so I can listen to wma files... I have added both universe and multiverse but still I can't find it ? where can I get that package ?
[02:45] <thomas__> sorry my english...
[02:45] <delire> thomas__: try 'apt-cache search wma xmms' and see if it turns up
[02:45] <thomas__> ok
[02:45] <delire> thomas__: and make sure you 'apt-get update' first!
[02:45] <LinuxNewbie> in the synaptic manager
[02:45] <delire> or yes, use synaptic ;)
[02:46] <thomas__> hehe
[02:46] <delire> thomas__: synaptic is just a good GUI to the same commands..
[02:46] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[02:46] <LinuxNewbie> im here right now
[02:46] <LinuxNewbie> there is so many
[02:47] <LinuxNewbie> like in communication
[02:47] <thomas__> okay... I updated and now I can see the package... thank you..
[02:47] <LinuxNewbie> base platform
[02:47] <LinuxNewbie> so i need to update them all?
[02:47] <delire> thomas__: anytime
[02:47] <thomas__> :)
[02:48] <CarlFK> anyone recomend a script for setting up port forwarding?
[02:49] <delire> CarlFK i use ipmasq
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> talking about respository
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> ive change that when i went to a site
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> then ive execute the command that has a update
[02:49] <LinuxNewbie> and upgrade
[02:50] <LinuxNewbie> is that the same in the synaptic manager
[02:50] <n0cturnal> im trying to get a minitar pcmcia wireless card working, though it's asking for the location of my kernel src... any ideas?
[02:50] <holycow> yep
[02:50] <delire> LinuxNewbie: yep, synaptic and/kpackage are interfaces to the apt and dpkg suite of tools
[02:51] <LinuxNewbie> ic
[02:51] <delire> n0cturnal: usually /usr/src/linux-$(uname -r)
[02:51] <LinuxNewbie> so i dont need to use the sudo
[02:51] <delire> n0cturnal: ls /usr/src and see if it's there.
[02:51] <markuman> someone here has a radeon all in wonder ???
[02:51] <LinuxNewbie> just go there if i need some updating
[02:51] <CarlFK> oh oh.. I am intalling Hoary to a toshiba 4600 laptop - it just "finished" and I get "I cannot start the X server...."
[02:51] <narkceh> hello. i installed ubuntu "server" so its the base. then i installed x-system and xfce4. But the problem is that how can i get root system console because here is now xterm or something?
[02:52] <CarlFK> and the it isn't responding to keyboard
[02:52] <delire> LinuxNewbie: use synaptic if you're more comfortable with it. think of it as a bit like a peer-to-peer client.
[02:52] <n0cturnal> yah... contains only "rpm"
[02:52] <delire> CarlFK: ctrl-alt-F1 and login. then we'll look at some logs
[02:53] <delire> narkceh: do you really need root? you can just 'sudo <command>'
[02:53] <LinuxNewbie> ok tnx a lot you guys!
[02:53] <delire> narkceh: if you really do need root just 'sudo passwd root' and create an account
[02:53] <LinuxNewbie> have a nice day or evening =)
[02:53] <delire> LinuxNewbie: you too!
[02:54] <Albaraha> I have lib++dfb-0.9-22_0.9.22-1_i386.deb  libdirectfb-0.9-22_0.9.22-1_i386.deb splashy_0.1.5.svn2_i386.deb, and need to install them. "dpkg -i" says this http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/356
[02:54] <thomas__> Well... Is there some kind of "learn linux in 24 hours" somewhere ?It would be nice
[02:54] <delire> Albaraha: try an 'apt-get update && dpkg --configure -a' to fix this problem
[02:55] <narkceh> delire: sudo apt-get -f install && apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package | says that E could not open lock file /ver/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied) E: are you root?
[02:55] <delire> thomas__: hehe there is actually this book i think. there are really good books in the Oreilly series.
[02:55] <kanichEEE> I know I gonna get flammed for this but... How I can change the default boot to windows? is because I m not hte only one who uses this pc :(
[02:55] <holycow> LinuxNewbie, welcome to linux anywhoo, give it time, it will start to make sense eventually
[02:55] <delire> narkceh: you need the second sudo in there ;)
[02:55] <narkceh> delire: dammit :DDDD
[02:55] <mjr> kanichEEE, /boot/grub/menu.lst, change the default entry
[02:55] <narkceh> delire: thank you :P
[02:55] <delire> narkceh: np ;)
[02:55] <thomas__> Yes... I have looked a lot at thease oreilly books... but there is so many ? I don't know which I should use ?
[02:55] <n0cturnal> farkit
[02:56] <joachim> how do I get to the apache manual through my browser? the link on http://localhost/apache2-default/ is dead
[02:56] <n0cturnal> i think ima have to put winblows back on
[02:56] <narkceh> delire: im into debian all the time cannot use sudo.
[02:56] <kanichEEE> mjr to what?
[02:56] <Albaraha> delire, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/357
[02:56] <delire> joachim: what about just http://localhost
[02:56] <delire> narkceh: yeah a bit weird at first ..
[02:56] <joachim> delire, that just shows an index
[02:56] <CarlFK> delire -i dont think you understand "isn't responding to keyboard" ;)
[02:56] <joachim> with a link to apache2-default/
[02:56] <mjr> kanichEEE, to whatever your windows entry is?
[02:57] <Vjaz> Anyone here successfully installed a 2.6.12 kernel on Hoary?
[02:57] <kanichEEE> you mean hda1?
[02:57] <CarlFK> ctrl-alt-F1 did nothing
[02:57] <delire> CarlFK: ahah, hehe sorry. just a moment
[02:57] <Vjaz> I wanted to try 2.6.12 on my Hoary system, but I ran into trouble. First it wouldn't even boot, and when it did my sound card didn't work and I think I recall some other quirks too.
[02:57] <mjr> kanichEEE, no, the number of the menu entry, starting with 0
[02:57] <delire> Albaraha: hmm, a bit of a tangle there... try an 'apt-get -f install' and pase the output (don't hit "Yes")
[02:58] <kanichEEE> Oh...
[02:58] <kanichEEE> Got it lol
[02:58] <delire> Vjaz: always wait a couple of months before trying out a new kernel ;)
[02:58] <Vjaz> delire: Hehhe. Yeah, that's a good idea. :-)
[02:58] <delire> Vjaz: i have had problems here also, and i've been compiling kernels since v2.1
[02:58] <Vjaz> delire, There was an infrared driver patch that I really wanted in 2.6.12.
[02:59] <Albaraha> delire, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/358
[02:59] <delire> Albaraha: good work. choose Y to that.
[02:59] <delire> Albaraha: we'll fix up splashy afterwards
[02:59] <delire> icaro: hi
[02:59] <Vjaz> delire, Yeah, I'm no stranger to compiling my own kernel. It seems to me that Ubuntu is a different animal than Gentoo or Debian kernel wise.
[03:00] <delire> Vjaz: i wanted some new bluetooth and Asus stuff..
[03:00] <thomas__> hmm
[03:00] <delire> Vjaz: it is a little. i think the best approach with Ubuntu is let the maintainers ship the kernel for you.
[03:01] <thomas__> does ubuntu install nvidia drivers on default ? or do I have to install them myself ?
[03:01] <Albaraha> delire_phone, done
[03:01] <mjr> thomas__, it doesn't install the proprietary drivers, but it does make it easy
[03:01] <Vjaz> delire, Yeah. I might wait until Breezy I guess. I think I'll need to do a BIOS upgrade on my laptop before I can even use that infrared stuff, so unless I find myself wiping my hard drive to install Windows or buying a USB floppy drive, I don't think it's a problem just yet.
[03:01] <icaro> hi delire_phone :D
[03:02] <Arago> hello.
[03:02] <thomas__> okay :)
[03:02] <thomas__> hi
[03:02] <mjr> thomas__, see eg. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21111.html
[03:02] <Arago> Someone can help me for install "FreePops" on hoary ?
[03:02] <CarlFK> delire - it does respond to the power button - displays "entering rl 0" and shuts down
[03:02] <mjr> (I just googled for it, there might be better instructions, but seems simple enough)
[03:02] <thomas__> mjr, okay... I check it out... thanks :D
[03:05] <Arago> Someone can help me for install "FreePops" on hoary ?
[03:07] <berkes> alright.  Any care to help. Again?
[03:07] <narkceh> sudo echo fglrx >> /etc/modules | permission denied. Why?
[03:07] <berkes> I bought a SMC card, that is supposed to work out of the box with the prism45 in ubuntu
[03:07] <berkes> firmware and all should be right.
[03:07] <delire> Vjaz: well given the Ubuntu release cycle, you won't have to wait for long.. another few months
[03:08] <berkes> It is detected, the leds are all happy and stuff
[03:08] <delire> Albaraha: ok, now type 'apt-cache show splashy' and note the dependencies. where are you getting splashy from anyway?
[03:09] <Vjaz> narkceh, because you're trying to open /etc/modules as a regular user. what you're doing is essentially running "echo fglrx" with sudo and redirecting it to /etc/modules. You should run "sudo -s" or "sudo su -" and then run "echo fglrx >> /etc/modules"
[03:09] <berkes> however, iwconfig gives me a "NOT READY!"
[03:09] <delire> CarlFK: is this an install or the LiveCD? sorry lost you in the scrollback
[03:09] <CarlFK> narkceh - either the "enter password" is being >> to something you don't have rights to yet, or the sudo only applies to the echo fglrx
[03:09] <CarlFK> delire - install
[03:09] <delire> CarlFK: do you have another Linux box around? perhaps you can ssh into it
[03:09] <Vjaz> delire, Yeah, it's nice. I can't use my infrared before that though, but I haven't been able to do that before either, so it's not much of a problem. I might install vanilla Debian or something to see if it works while waiting.
[03:09] <delire> CarlFK: CarlFK: also note the other boot options
[03:10] <Albaraha> delire, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709
[03:10] <narkceh> Vjaz: ok, thanks. got it.
[03:10] <CarlFK> delire - I did istnall oppenssh-server, and if I boot to (rescue) I can start it and ssh to it
[03:10] <Albaraha> Replaces: usplash, debsplash-utils
[03:10] <Albaraha> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdirectfb-0.9-20, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0)
[03:10] <Albaraha> Conflicts: usplash, debsplash-utils
[03:10] <delire> Vjaz: well i'm going to wait a month or so. i run debian on this lappie
[03:10] <CarlFK> delire - but if I let it boot, no ssh
[03:10] <Vjaz> narkceh, I do the same thing all the time. It's a bit non-intuitive I guess, but makes sense. :-)
[03:11] <berkes> so, qnyone on wireless with a prism45 ?
[03:11] <delire> CarlFK: right, well the thing to check is 'cat /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log | grep EE' to look for errors
[03:11] <odin666> moin
[03:12] <Vjaz> delire, Ok. It probably is a good idea to wait a while to see that there are no major problems with the kernel, I guess.
[03:12] <narkceh> Vjaz: yeah, this ubuntu is pretty new for me for example I allways forget sudo when installing something.
[03:13] <CarlFK> delire - (WW) TRIDENT(0): config file hsync range 28-49kHz not within DDC hsync ranges.
[03:14] <delire> Albaraha: if you are feeling risky, you can install that lib framebuffer stuff that was failing earlier with 'dpkg -i --force-all <package>' and see take the risk to see if it goes through.
[03:15] <delire> Albaraha: also, it can sometimes be worth an apt-get upgrade to bring packages up to the same level before attempting installation of custom packages like splashy
[03:15] <Albaraha> delire, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/359
[03:15] <delire> CarlFK: that doesn't look to brutal. is that all? no 'EE'?
[03:16] <CarlFK> delire - (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[03:16] <Albaraha> I don't think it's risky to force it to be installed since it says: splashy: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[03:16] <delire> CarlFK: hmm, that looks like the culprit
[03:16] <CarlFK> but I don't have a touchpad.. I have the nub in the keyboard
[03:16] <CarlFK> delire that would cause it to lock up?
[03:17] <delire> CarlFK: read the lines after these. see where X breaks
[03:17] <delire> Albaraha: give it a shot.
[03:19] <CarlFK> delire - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/360
[03:20] <delire> CarlFK: weird. have you customised this install in anyway?
[03:20] <delire> CarlFK: 'fixed' font support is fairly native.
[03:21] <corza> hi
[03:21] <corza> anyone here play GuildWars?
[03:21] <AfroDude> what's the best file system for a partition that should be reached from both Windows and Linux (Ubuntu)? FAT?
[03:21] <delire> CarlFK: in the worst case you can comment out the line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf that includes the unix/:7100 fonts
[03:22] <delire> AfroDude: yes
[03:22] <corza> AfroDude:
[03:22] <corza> AfroDude: dont worry about making a new partition.. i found a tutorial somewhere so my ubuntu system can just read my ntfs
[03:22] <delire> AfroDude: vfat as fat16 is known in linux. it will then be writeable from both sides.
[03:22] <delire> corza: yes, but NTFS is generally not writeable..
[03:22] <Deanodriver> i thought it was also fat32
[03:22] <Juhaz> it is
[03:23] <corza> delire: i can write
[03:23] <delire> Deanodriver: sorry, you are right. my bad. fat16 == fat fat32 == vfat
[03:23] <narkceh> I have installed alsamixer and gstreame.0.8-plugins, but i dont know where in settings I can change to input to ALSA because my rhytmbox says that E: Could not open resource for writing?
[03:23] <PTK> corza, really?!
[03:23] <CarlFK> delire - I aptgeted  cvs build-essential nmap screen libgtk1.2-dev sox autoconf kdoc openssh-server
[03:23] <corza> delire: wait no i cant lol.. just read
[03:23] <delire> corza: awesome. many can't
[03:23] <delire> corza: hehe..
[03:23] <CarlFK> delire - but havn't done anything yet
[03:23] <corza> delire: nvm dont get excited lol
[03:23] <AfroDude> ok. What command/program do I need to create a partition of a unused space on the HD?
[03:24] <delire> CarlFK: i would tell the people in the ubuntu-dev channel (that's the name i think). you have definitely found a rare bug.
[03:24] <corza> Does anyone here play Guild Wars?
[03:24] <berkes> allright, lemme try again ;) anyone here who can help me with my wireless prism45 card?
[03:24] <delire> corza: nope
[03:24] <delire> CarlFK: have you used Linux before?
[03:24] <CarlFK> yup
[03:24] <delire> CarlFK: which flavour?
[03:24] <CarlFK> all of them ;)
[03:24] <delire> berkes: sadly not, i use a Centrino here.
[03:25] <delire> CarlFK: hehe. do you have another Ubuntu install around?
[03:25] <CarlFK> delire - I made this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[03:25] <berkes> delire, what module does that one use?
[03:25] <CarlFK> delire - I got a small fleat of them
[03:25] <delire> CarlFK: you wrote that page or you used that installation method?
[03:25] <CarlFK> (only 4 or 5 really...)
[03:25] <CarlFK> wrote
[03:26] <CarlFK> but I have only started doing X in the last 6 months
[03:27] <CarlFK> about 2 weeks ago I found a bug in the installer (both hoary and breezy) - apparently I am the first person to isntall Ubunto with an ISA VGA card ;)
[03:27] <AfroDude> anyone know what command/program I need to create a new partition of an unused space on the hard disk?
[03:27] <Markuman> whitch xorg version is on hoary 5.04 ???
[03:27] <phaedrus44> ello..
[03:28] <narkceh> hmh, should there be some command like gstream-properties or gstreamer-properties where I can change settings to alsa?
[03:28] <phaedrus44> does ubuntu come with ndiswrapper?
[03:29] <goldfish_> phaedrus44: no
[03:29] <goldfish_> phaedrus44: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:29] <phaedrus44> uh....
[03:29] <phaedrus44> need the wireless card before i can do apt-get
[03:29] <phaedrus44> lol
[03:29] <delire> berkes: 'modprobe -l | grep prism'
[03:29] <phaedrus44> no other connection devices
[03:30] <goldfish_> phaedrus44: ah
[03:30] <phaedrus44> hard to install manually?
[03:30] <goldfish_> dont think so
[03:30] <delire> phaedrus44: 'dpkg -l | grep ndis' see if you have it installed already
[03:30] <goldfish_> phaedrus44: there is a howto on the wiki to install manually
[03:31] <epssy> I'm using ubuntu to recover from a serious problem with my pc (hardware went "bang", have new hardware now) and I need to be able to get access to some files on my existing partition (using the livecd)... how do I do this?
[03:31] <delire> CarlFK: well i would try the CD method. netinstalls are often a bit hairy.
[03:31] <FLD> anybody got 3acceleration work with pcie ati in ubuntu?
[03:31] <FLD> 3dac
[03:31] <berkes> delire, my prism is loaded properly
[03:31] <delire> FLD: many many have. see the BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[03:32] <FLD> k
[03:32] <wizo> how can i er, share my files on my ubuntu on my network with other computers running on windows
[03:32] <delire> berkes: can you 'sudo iwconfig'?
[03:32] <FLD> delire are you sure about Ati PCIE
[03:32] <delire> wizo: samba
[03:32] <wizo> is that the only way?
[03:32] <wizo> =s
[03:32] <delire> FLD: oh, didn't see the E at the end ;)
[03:32] <Albaraha> delire, it works. Thanks
[03:32] <delire> wizo: no you can ftp
[03:32] <FLD> yeah you try screw me
[03:32] <Albaraha> how would I change gdm resolution
[03:32] <FLD> >:(
[03:32] <delire> Albaraha: what worked in the end?
[03:33] <wizo> oo lala
[03:33] <wizo> which method is easier?
[03:33] <Albaraha> delire, splashy
[03:33] <delire> FLD: hehe
[03:33] <phaedrus44> i dont think i have it already because i just installed ubuntu
[03:33] <delire> Albaraha: an older version?
[03:33] <FLD> im not eaven sure does atis own driver support it
[03:33] <FLD> they dont tell it :<
[03:33] <delire> FLD: hmm..
[03:33] <FLD> :/
[03:33] <Albaraha> I've forced installing splashy
[03:33] <FLD> hmm mayby i try find finnish customer support for ati
[03:33] <FLD> phone
[03:33] <delire> Albaraha: ok, yeah i didn't think that would be too much of a problem
[03:33] <mindmedic> wizo, samba is pretty easy
[03:34] <wizo> hmm ok thx
[03:34] <wizo> i`ll give it a go now
[03:34] <mindmedic> install samba and use shares-admin
[03:34] <delire> FLD: yep, give them a call.
[03:34] <FLD> YEAP i will
[03:34] <wizo> thx
[03:34] <mindmedic> bye
[03:34] <FLD> and i will tell what i feel about them
[03:34] <delire> mindmedic: yep, good call. shares-admin is the way to go.
[03:34] <Juhaz> hah, if they do happen to have a customer support, do you really expect the drone to know something about Linux?
[03:34] <mindmedic> wizo
[03:34] <wizo> supp
[03:34] <Nige> g'day all
[03:34] <delire> FLD: hehe yep. tell them you'll buy an NVIDIA card if they don't help.
[03:34] <iLLf8d> anyone around whose bind savvy enough to helpout with a convoluted bind problem? the questions quite large thats why I asked first
[03:34] <Nige> how are we :)
[03:34] <mindmedic> be sure to name each of your shares
[03:34] <wizo> err, shares?
[03:34] <FLD> delire haha i must first find number
[03:35] <delire> Nige: we're good. don't know about the others
[03:35] <mindmedic> if you dont you get a corrupted samba.conf
[03:35] <wizo> =s
[03:35] <fdr> please, what is the key to use in order to switch virtual desktop in gnome? Thank you!
[03:35] <Nige> oh well it all good
[03:35] <wizo> care to er, tell me more about the ``shares``
[03:35] <Nige> i am stuck with wireless networking
[03:35] <Nige> :(
[03:35] <Nige> and its driving me crazy!!!
[03:35] <FLD> does anybody know how to get dsniff to work :<
[03:35] <iLLf8d> heh
[03:35] <delire> Nige: what's up?
[03:35] <FLD> i cant see any passwords :<
[03:35] <iLLf8d> Nige, oh comeon you can compute in the shitter what more could you want
[03:36] <delire> iLLf8d: i'm about to leave for the day, i'll stay out of it.
[03:36] <mindmedic> fdr, you can set the key in system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[03:36] <Nige> i have a linksys wpc54g (yes my bad!)
[03:36] <iLLf8d> heh
[03:36] <delire> Nige: eww
[03:36] <Nige> and its supports wpa under winxp n crap
[03:36] <iLLf8d> delire, you're not planning on joining him in there?
[03:36] <Nige> i am trying to run it on warty, but when i dmesg the console
[03:36] <iLLf8d> delire, how goes it
[03:36] <CarlFK> delire - booting a hoary live cd - it got into X ok
[03:36] <Nige> it tells me the driver i am using cant use wpa
[03:36] <Nige> i have the wpa supplicant installed :)
[03:36] <fdr> mindmedic : thanks
[03:36] <delire> iLLf8d: guud
[03:37] <Arago> how install "FreePops" on hoary ?
[03:37] <iLLf8d> heh
[03:37] <Nige> i am finding it very odd that it works for xp but not ubuntu
[03:37] <delire> CarlFK: i'd go with the full CD install instead of the netinst
[03:37] <mindmedic> fdr, np, look at the gnome manual... gnome can do a lot of cool stuff
[03:37] <iLLf8d> Nige, did you research your driver?
[03:37] <Nige> i woulr much rather be using ubuntu than xp cause ubuntu is soo much faster :>
[03:37] <iLLf8d> Nige, many can't use the wpa
[03:37] <Nige> i found out it does lscmds diver
[03:37] <liable> Nige: read the wpasupplicant docs, they tell you what drivers are supported.
[03:37] <Nige> and uses the broadcom 4306 chipest
[03:37] <wizo> do i need to do the network users part
[03:37] <delire> Nige: maybe linksys haven't shipped Linux drivers and haven't opened the source for developers to write their own wpa support.
[03:37] <Nige> okay
[03:38] <Hajuu> Hi.. I have a Canon Powershot A60 here... Anyone know how I can upload the photos off it under ubuntu?
[03:38] <Nige> i kow, cuase linksys are bloody annoying!!!
[03:38] <PhantomFreak> I've just installed Xine and libdvdcss2, it still playes DVDs a little jerky... Should I update the RAM to 512MB from 256MB? Would this improve playback?
[03:38] <wizo> im reading ubuntuguide.org and is this part needed? ==> How to add/edit/delete network users?
[03:38] <iLLf8d> Nige, depends on the driver the broadcom ones can be ok at times
[03:38] <iLLf8d> Nige, some of them are ralinks
[03:38] <Hajuu> Anyone?
[03:38] <delire> Hajuu: install libgphtoto and then just use nautilus to mount and browse the device contents
[03:39] <mindmedic> Hajuu, i think gthumb can do that
[03:39] <phaedrus44> awww....no documents or anyhting on the "install wiki" for ndiswrapper
[03:39] <delire> Hajuu: or after installing you can also use Gimp to browse the photos
[03:39] <Hajuu> oh nice
[03:39] <Hajuu> thanks
[03:39] <aigarius> phaedrus44, there is a howto on the wiki
[03:39] <delire> Hajuu: Ubuntu may already have gphoto on board. this contains quasi drivers for a gazillion cameras
[03:39] <iLLf8d> Nige, is it one of these -> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ral&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html <- those are the ralink based cards most of which have linux counterpart drivers
[03:39] <sly> afternoon
[03:39] <wizo> afternoon
[03:40] <Hajuu> E: Couldn't find package libgphoto
[03:40] <PhantomFreak> Or, can anyone suggest a better way to play DVDs?
[03:40] <wizo> PhantomFreak, mine seems alrite
[03:40] <Sly> hey wizo :)
[03:40] <phaedrus44> oh thanks
[03:40] <wizo> and im runing on 128mb ram
[03:40] <Sly> :o
[03:40] <delire> Hajuu: perhaps just use gthumb as mindmedic suggest. it may already be on board.
[03:40] <goldfish_> PhantomFreak: dma turned on?
[03:40] <Hajuu> hmm
[03:40] <Hajuu> give it a try
[03:40] <aigarius> phaedrus44, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[03:40] <wizo> goldfish_, would dma affect dvd?
[03:41] <Nige> no supported there
[03:41] <wizo> i thought dma was only for the hard drive
[03:41] <PhantomFreak> dma, forgot about that...
[03:41] <goldfish_> wizo: yes.
[03:41] <Nige> its the stupid wpc54g v 1.2
[03:41] <phaedrus44> thanks found it
[03:41] <phaedrus44> thanks for yer hel;p
[03:41] <Nige> it confuzed that it works underxp using the ndis driver
[03:41] <delire> Hajuu: does the camera come up on the desktop as a storage device?
[03:41] <Nige> but not under linux with the ndis
[03:42] <Nige> i am also at a loss because i am not sure what other wirless nic to get that supports wpa
[03:43] <bigcx2> nige what's your problem with ndiswrapper
[03:43] <bigcx2> ?
[03:43] <Hajuu> delire:  No but it does pop up a little thing for uploading photos when I plug it in :D
[03:43] <Hajuu> I love ubuntu heh
[03:43] <Nige> i am always told the card doesnt support wpa
[03:43] <Deanodriver> trying to install this gnome applet, and it keeps on saying error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[03:43] <Nige> or the driver doesnt
[03:44] <PhantomFreak> goldfish_: How do I actually turn on DMA on my combo drive? I can't seem to find it on the net.
[03:44] <bigcx2> what card is it
[03:44] <Deanodriver> do i need to reinstall python, or is there a special thing I should install?
[03:44] <Nige> ndiswrapper (wpa_set_wpa:1240): driver is not WPA capable
[03:44] <Nige> its a wpc54g
[03:44] <goldfish_> PhantomFreak: emmm, try, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:44] <bigcx2> man hdparm phantomfreak
[03:44] <Nige> unfortunatly its a linksys
[03:44] <Nige> :(
[03:44] <Nige> uses broadcome chipset though :>
[03:44] <narkceh> does anyone have any idea how to get sound out from my pc with rhytymbox. rhytymbox says that Error: Could not open resource for writing.
[03:44] <bigcx2> i have a linksys card that i am on right now
[03:44] <Nige> its a pcmcia card in a lappy
[03:45] <goldfish_> narkceh: is anything else using the sound?
[03:45] <bigcx2> ah
[03:45] <delire> Hajuu: i don't have gnome installed here.. i'm guessing you can just copy it from the camera using nautilus out into another folder.
[03:45] <wizo> after installing samba, wad else do i have to do to be able to share my stuff on my network so that other windows users can get my files from this ubunt umachine
[03:46] <delire> narkceh: any other sound-using programs open? otherwise try changing the 'sound-driver' in the preferences of the application to use 'ESD' or 'ALSA'
[03:46] <Justin> wizo: usually nothing, if anything set a password with smbpasswd
[03:46] <ubuntu> bonjour a vous
[03:46] <narkceh> delire: yes where can i change esd to alsa?
[03:46] <seb128> ubuntu: /j #ubuntu-fr
[03:46] <delire> ubuntu: i've seen that name before <thinks>
[03:46] <goldfish_> lol
[03:46] <bigcx2> narkseh
[03:46] <ubuntu> do you speek french
[03:46] <bigcx2> if you can't get it to use esd or alsa
[03:46] <seb128> ubuntu: #ubuntu-fr
[03:47] <goldfish_> je ne parlais francais !
[03:47] <bigcx2> open up a terminal and type pkill esd then try it
[03:47] <delire> narkceh: probably in preferences or similar
[03:47] <ubuntu> tank you
[03:47] <ubuntu> merci
[03:47] <seb128> de rien
[03:48] <Redhatter> Hi all, just a question... How does one go about netbooting Ubuntu?  I've slowly been trying to set up a kernel image (with initramfs image) and startup scripts to allow a machine to download and boot it over a network, but so far haven't had the greatest of success.
[03:48] <wizo> oh coool thx Justin
[03:48] <delire> bigcx2 though if he uses ESD as his output driver he may have luck.
[03:48] <narkceh> delire: Im trying to say that I got my music to work in rhytymbox when I changed settings by using gstreamer-properties but that command doesn't work anymore?
[03:48] <ubuntu> quellle pays
[03:48] <xliu> I want to remove the games in my Ubuntu,  may I delete the /usr/games directly?
[03:48] <Nige> what card are you using bigcx2?
[03:48] <delire> narkceh: best you talk to bigcx2. i don't have gnome here...
[03:48] <Justin> Redhatter: scrap everything you did and install initrd-netboot-tools
[03:48] <CarlFK> Redhatter - you mean run like a Live CD?  (not install to HD)
[03:48] <bigcx2> actually right now i have a broadcom 4306
[03:49] <Nige> yer i think mine uses that chipset
[03:49] <narkceh> delire: I use xfce4, thats the problem :6
[03:49] <delire> xliu: 'dpkg -l | grep games' and then 'dpkg -P <game>'
[03:49] <Nige>  Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller
[03:49] <odie5533> how do I check memory usage in a terminal?
[03:49] <twistymcgee> hi folks, can anyone help me with ntpd?
[03:49] <bigcx2> amd64 or i386
[03:49] <delire> xliu: dpkg -P == purge completely
[03:50] <Nige> see i am pretty sure thats the same chipset?
[03:50] <xliu> ok, thanks delire
[03:50] <bigcx2> yea
[03:50] <Redhatter> CarlFK, Sorta.  Basically I've formatted the hard drive (a 2GB SCSI clunker) completely as swap space (no partitions even), and I'm attempting to load Ubuntu into tmpfs and boot that way.
[03:50] <narkceh> bigcx2: any idea how to get work rhytymbox in xfce4 because gstreamer-properties doesn't work anymore?
[03:50] <twistymcgee> my clock is getting ahead so fast that after a couple of days it's 30 fast
[03:50] <Nige> can i get the files you are using for it?
[03:50] <delire> xliu: either that or just use Synaptic, find the games category, uninstalled what is marked as 'installed'.
[03:51] <odie5533> How do I check RAM usage in a terminal?
[03:51] <bigcx2> can't say i have any experience in xfce4, strictly a gnome guy :)
[03:51] <rasputnik> Redhatter: seen the docs at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetbootInstallHowto
[03:51] <xliu> thanks very much delire
[03:51] <rasputnik> odie5533: top
[03:51] <Redhatter> rasputnik, Cheers, I'll have a look :-)
[03:51] <Nige> i386 :)
[03:51] <delire> narkceh: well then you definitely don't need ESD do you? 'for i in $(ps -C esd -o pid=); do kill -9 $i; done'
[03:52] <rasputnik> Redhatter: oddly enough I'm currently working on a diskless opera terminal for the uni library here based on redhat.
[03:52] <delire> xliu: anytime
[03:52] <odie5533> anyone know how much RAM it takes to run KDE/Gnome?
[03:52] <bigcx2> so you can connect to things and it just tells you that wpa is disabled or you can't connect at all?
[03:52] <rasputnik> odie5533: 257Mb here seems ok
[03:52] <Nige> it wont let it connect to that ap with wpa
[03:52] <Nige> i can try the other one
[03:52] <delire> odie5533: 128mb is a good lower limit
[03:52] <CarlFK> rasputnik - that looks alot like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall ;)
[03:52] <Nige> hold on a tick
[03:52] <bigcx2> ok
[03:52] <Nige> i need to acually set this one
[03:53] <delire> odie5533: 64mb without features|sfx turned on.
[03:53] <bigcx2> wait nige i think you need wpasupplicant
[03:53] <rasputnik> CarlFK: they probably need merging then (or at least some crosslinks)
[03:53] <odie5533> delire: gnome or kde?
[03:53] <bigcx2> apt-cache show wpasupplicant
[03:53] <Redhatter> rasputnik, Yeah, this would be a similar setup then.  I'm setting this up for a small network for a group of autistic adults to use.  Ideally, I'd like to provide an option of a few distro's (incl. Fedora, Ubuntu, Knoppix, Debian, Gentoo... whatever I can get) and have it download & setup distros on the fly.
[03:53] <odie5533> I have 192mb free, however, I am running XFCE, should I have enough to run KDE?
[03:54] <delire> odie5533: both, they are as heavy as each other. consider using xfce4, openbox, blackbox, wmii on a system with less.
[03:54] <Justin> Redhatter: no, it's not similar at all, that guide is for something completely different
[03:54] <delire> odie5533: yeah, that's fine
[03:54] <Deanodriver> does anyone have any idea of how to fix my problem with Python?
[03:54] <Redhatter> Justin, I noticed that :-)
[03:54] <Deanodriver> what other packages I need to install, for example?
[03:54] <Deanodriver> trying to install this gnome applet, and it keeps on saying error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[03:54] <delire> Deanodriver: well Ubuntu comes with tons of python out of the box.
[03:54] <odie5533> ok good, my family is having a hard time getting used to xfce, so I am hoping KDE will be better. Thanks for the help, time to install KDE :D
[03:55] <Deanodriver> yeah, well, for some reason, this app doesn't like it (although it did last install)
[03:55] <bigcx2> there shouldn't be any makefiles in that directory deanodriver
[03:55] <din> anyone get mplayer to play dvd's in ubuntu?
[03:55] <bigcx2> yes
[03:55] <Deanodriver> i know
[03:55] <delire> Deanodriver: does that file actually exist?
[03:55] <bigcx2> i have gotten mplayer to work
[03:55] <bigcx2> for dvds
[03:55] <Justin> Deanodriver: did you try searching for that file on packages.ubuntu.com? (no)
[03:55] <din> bigcx2, help? :)
[03:55] <Deanodriver> no, it doesn't
[03:55] <Deanodriver> no, i didn't
[03:55] <bigcx2> well what's the problem exactly din
[03:55] <delire> Deanodriver: follow Justin's advice
[03:55] <din> MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: init_audio_codec
[03:55] <Deanodriver> what, look for the makefile?
[03:55] <din> then it crashes
[03:56] <din> i've tried every audio codec
[03:56] <bigcx2> do you have libdvdcss2 installed
[03:56] <din> bigcx2, of course
[03:56] <bigcx2> hmmmm...
[03:56] <delire> din: can you play other movies/DVD's?
[03:56] <din> delire, yes
[03:56] <delire> din: they all fail?
[03:56] <din> well...
[03:57] <din> one sec
[03:57] <bigcx2> i'm lookin at something
[03:57] <bigcx2> hold up
[03:57] <jsimmons> to make quake2 work, all I need to do is copy the contents of the data folder fomr the original cd?
[03:57] <Justin> jsimmons: should just need the main data file
[03:57] <jsimmons> the "pak" file?
[03:57] <din> i can play other movies yes
[03:58] <bigcx2> you mean on other players (vlc, etc)
[03:58] <Justin> jsimmons: yeah, the big ones, though copying everything can't hurt
[03:58] <rasputnik> Redhatter: yeah, sort of. Mines NFS based. All the clients share the same NFS read-only root, and then mount little ramfs partitions over the bits they need to write to
[03:58] <wizo> so hmm, now that i have installed samba
[03:58] <din> bigcx2, i mean .avi, .mpg, etc...
[03:58] <wizo> how do i share my folder over the network with other windows machines
[03:58] <Justin> wizo: it is already shared
[03:58] <Justin> wizo: \\yourbox
[03:58] <wizo> i mean, a certain folder in my home directory
[03:58] <Justin> wizo: \\yourbox\wizo
[03:58] <jsimmons> hmmm, got this:  ""
[03:59] <Justin> wizo: your home directory is already shared
[03:59] <wizo> oh really
[03:59] <wizo> sick
[03:59] <bigcx2> alright lemme look at someting real fast
[03:59] <jsimmons> hmmm, got this:  "LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory"
[03:59] <din> bigcx2, the problem with .avi, .mpg, etc.. is that the audio/video are not synced
[03:59] <wizo> uh oh
[03:59] <Justin> jsimmons: you should have that, but you really want to be using the opengl driver :-)
[03:59] <din> so i think i have an audio issue
[03:59] <wizo> some stuff are not meant to be shared with my housemates
[03:59] <wizo> =/
[04:00] <jsimmons> how do i use the opengl driver?  modify a config fifle?
[04:00] <Fanskapet> hmm that was one of the most weird quit-msg's i've seen :D
[04:00] <Fanskapet> can anyone translate? :D
[04:00] <Justin> jsimmons: its a command line flag.. you can do it from inside the game once it works though..
[04:00] <delire> Fanskapet: agreed. quite impressive really.
[04:00] <davro> wizo, use the dot
[04:00] <delire> jsimmons: what card do you have?
[04:00] <Deanodriver> it doesn't help
[04:00] <Justin> wizo: good thing you have to log in then eh?
[04:00] <wizo> so wad if i only want to share a folder
[04:00] <jsimmons> ati x800xtpe
[04:00] <Justin> wizo: stop saying wad.
[04:01] <jsimmons> drivers are installed
[04:01] <Nige> okay
[04:01] <wizo> hmm ok sorry
[04:01] <Nige> i set up the wpa_supplicant.conf as follows
[04:01] <wizo> so what if i wanna juz share a folder, can i unshare my home directory
[04:01] <Justin> wizo: juz?
[04:01] <Nige> bugger
[04:01] <Nige> he left
[04:01] <davro> wizo, have some fun with /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:01] <wizo> sorry
[04:01] <wizo> just*
[04:01] <wizo> hmm ok thanks
[04:02] <vmware> hello pp
[04:02] <davro> remember to sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart for your changes to take effect
[04:02] <FLD> http://img142.exs.cx/img142/1714/post211201650559li.jpg   who wants to duck hunt with that ;D
[04:02] <wizo> hmm ok will keep that in mind
[04:02] <vmware> how install files rpm no ubuntu
[04:03] <jeroen_> vmware, alien
[04:03] <vmware> in consol?
[04:04] <jeroen_> vmware, yes; it'll turn rpm files into deb files, which Ubuntu can use
[04:04] <jeroen_> then you can install the deb file with sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:04] <Jerub> does ubuntu have large file support?
[04:04] <wizo> opos, almost forgot to make a backup copy
[04:04] <Jerub> i.e. can I copy a 40 gig file to my ubuntu machine?
[04:04] <wizo> ooops*
[04:05] <davro> Something like this for a samba config [shared_folder] ;   comment = Shared Folder;   writable = no;   locking = no;   path = /home/you/this;   public = yes
[04:05] <vmware> ok
[04:05] <rasputnik> Jerub: it's a 2.6 kernel, so yeah should be ok
[04:05] <vmware> tkans
[04:05] <davro> sure you will get the ang of it.
[04:05] <wizo> ok thx davro
[04:05] <wizo> thanks*
[04:05] <Jerub> cool
[04:06] <Jerub> thanks.
[04:06] <wizo> ohoh, federer vs hewitt
[04:06] <wizo> be back later
[04:08] <s1m0> hi
[04:09] <s1m0> sorry, i now i have an old pci video card. anyone can suggest me a cheeper but good agp video card plase?
[04:10] <Will__> s1m0: What country are you in? And what price range is 'cheap' to you?
[04:10] <davro> s1m0, personally i have had no problems with the G400 matrox cards dual head, quite cheap nowadays
[04:10] <s1m0> Will__, i'm in italy
[04:11] <s1m0> davro, ok i check if in a online shop there is one
[04:11] <Will__> Heh, thought so. You guys are on euros now, right?
[04:11] <s1m0> Will__, yes :'(
[04:11] <davro> Its an old card proberly not produced anymore, second hand job.
[04:13] <s1m0> it's better nvidia than ati, isn't it?
[04:13] <lincr> howdy
[04:14] <d_i> How do i install deb packages ?
[04:14] <davro> Hi im running a laptop, what would be the best, way to diable or enable the synapic touch pad, to stop my damn sausage thumb from tapping it while im typing.
[04:14] <lincr> d_i use dpkg
[04:14] <delire> s1m0: yes, nvidia is really well supported in linux. ati is supported by ATI, but not as well.
[04:14] <lincr> davro try man trackpad
[04:15] <lincr> davro: i turn tap on with "trackpad tap"
[04:15] <Albaraha> delire, how do I change gdm resolution?
[04:15] <s1m0> delire, thanks because in a another old pc i have a nvidia and it works really good, but i never had an ati
[04:16] <lincr> albahara: should be the same as your regular X resolution
[04:16] <s1m0> albatron Mx4000l 128mb ALBATRON MX4000L 128MB, Nvidia GeForce MX4000, AGP 8X, VGA Out, TV-out - cod. 35829     45   =  +/- 40$
[04:16] <davro> No manual entry for trackpad, or Couldn't find package trackpad, am imissing something?
[04:16] <corza> what is a program that can run asx live streaming vidoe?
[04:16] <s1m0> delire, this card can be a good one?
[04:17] <lincr> davro: trackpad must be for ppc...
[04:17] <berkes> corza: if not mplayer, then prolly nothing.
[04:17] <corza> berkes, hmm really?
[04:17] <s1m0> delire, albatron Mx4000l 128mb ALBATRON MX4000L 128MB, Nvidia GeForce MX4000, AGP 8X, VGA Out, TV-out - cod. 35829     45   =  +/- 40$
[04:17] <lincr> davro: google for synaptic stuff, I found a bunch of stuff regarding that while figuring out the trackpad on my ppc
[04:17] <Justin> davro: try tpconfig
[04:17] <davro> ahhh, running on sony pcg-z1 is there anything simular to trackpad for i686
[04:18] <davro> will do justin
[04:18] <lincr> okay, does anybody have any tips for getting kernel to use framebuffer console
[04:18] <Will__> Possibly surgery is needed. It's not like you _need_ your thumbs
[04:19] <lincr> I'm on intel with intel 845 video
[04:19] <corza> anyone here use Cedega?
[04:20] <corza> anyone here use Cedega?
[04:20] <lincr> corza: what is it
[04:21] <Albaraha> delire, I have the same problem now. apt-get complains about a broken package
[04:22] <delire> Albaraha: which pacakge? what are you installing..another custom pacakge??
[04:22] <corza> lincr: its a winex program designed for specific games..... in my case Guild Wars
[04:22] <lincr> corza: sorry haven't use wine in a long time
[04:22] <davro> How would i fix this error, tpconfig  -t0 spits out fatal: Could not open PS/2 Port [/dev/psaux]
[04:22] <corza> lincr: np
[04:23] <Albaraha> nope, it's the same splashy. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/361
[04:23] <delire> davro: try the tpconfig man pages. it's likely wanting you to point it to /dev/mouse0 or similar?
[04:24] <kumara> hey
[04:24] <Shuddertrix> corza: I do use cedega, but I don't play guild wars.
[04:24] <kumara> what's happening here?
[04:25] <kumara> X-chat? is it a porn chat? :s
[04:25] <delire> Albaraha: your first line is 'apt-get install'. try installing a package itself and see what happens.
[04:25] <Albaraha> it's already installed
[04:26] <corza> Shuddertrix: no prob, I have used cedega with guildwars except.. what happend was it opened it and it said that my video card was not compatible (which i think its actually a cedega detection/conversion error) but anyway that repeatidly came up and i couldnt go any further.. and now i cant even start cedega...
[04:26] <mad_guy> i have always wondered... i've come across people with names like Dick Taylor (example)... so.. do the parents name thier kids, that way, intentionally or are they unaware of the 'referrence' ?
[04:26] <AnHu> my problem: nautilus doesn't show german special characters. It always add "invalid encoding" How can I change it?
[04:26] <Albaraha> kumara, an IRC client
[04:26] <Justin> Albaraha: why are you installing debian packages in ubuntu?
[04:26] <delire> Justin: he's following http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41709
[04:26] <kumara> oh I see, sorry, I more than new on it
[04:27] <Albaraha> how do I tell apt to ignore that splashy is broken, delire?
[04:27] <kumara> does anyone know if I can watch my pc computer from my linuw computer via wi fi?
[04:28] <dennis_> can anyone tell me what player I could use to play .pls streams?
[04:28] <Justin> delire: a .pls file is a playlist not a stream
[04:28] <delire> Albaraha: you can use 'pinning' (man apt_preferences). you'll get into these kinds of problems from time to time if you use custom or debian packages, and not registered ubuntu packages.
[04:28] <delire> Justin: por que?
[04:29] <Justin> er
[04:29] <Justin> dennis_: a .pls file is a playlist not a stream
[04:29] <dennis_> ok
[04:29] <dennis_> this is Internet radio
[04:29] <goldfish_> winamp
[04:30] <goldfish_> u using shoutcast.com ?
[04:30] <dennis_> I could not find winamp for linux
[04:30] <goldfish_> yeah
[04:30] <jeroen_> dennis_, there are clones
[04:30] <goldfish_> i think xmms or something can play them?
[04:30] <delire> Albaraha: if i were you, i'd either compile it or make an ubuntu pacakage using dpkg (build package) from the splashy source.
[04:30] <jeroen_> dennis_, xmms and beep-media-player (I recommend the last one). They can play the internet radio streams
[04:30] <dennis_> thx guys I will try
[04:30] <delire> dennis_: use xmms or realplayer
[04:31] <delire> dennis_: or yes, beep-media-player as Justin suggests
[04:31] <goldfish_> yeah bmp is nice
[04:32] <twistymcgee> what does ubuntu use for managing runlevel processes similar to chkconfig?
[04:32] <ateves> i installed rubybook via apt, but i have no clue where it is now
[04:32] <wizo> hmm damn
[04:32] <xliu> how can I get to know the how many space an application takes ?
[04:32] <Justin> ateves: so use dpkg to list the files in that package
[04:33] <wizo> i set up my thing, set my conf file
[04:33] <wizo> but they still cant see me on their net work places
[04:33] <wizo> ran testparm and did a restart already too
[04:33] <delire> xliu: 'apt-cache show <pacakge>' and then look for "Installed-Size"
[04:34] <jeroen_> ateves, or do that with Synaptic. If there's a file /usr/bin/rubybook, you can execute it by running "rubybook"
[04:34] <Justin> wizo: that's usually normal for windows, just go to \\yourbox\share
[04:34] <delire> wizo: they probably need to reboot or refresh their network stuff. windows is shite at networking.
[04:34] <odie5533> how do I minimize ram usage on KDE?
[04:34] <wizo> =s
[04:34] <wizo> ok thx
[04:34] <wizo> thanks*
[04:35] <dzik_24> hallo everyone
[04:35] <jeroen_> hallo dzik_24
[04:35] <wizo> [global]
[04:35] <wizo>         workgroup = MSHOME
[04:35] <wizo>  <== that would be juz like setting yru computer to the workgroup MSHOME in windows doesnt it
[04:35] <jeroen_> wizo, exactly
[04:35] <delire> odie5533: pretty hard to do. you could play with 'nice'.
[04:35] <wizo> awesome
[04:35] <dzik_24> does enybody know how to turnon synaptics touchpad
[04:35] <wizo> this is easier than i thought
[04:36] <PhantomFreak> What file do I need to put commands into for them to load at boot...  Found it... /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[04:42] <delire> ateves: or try 'whereis ruby-manual'. all documentation is usually is /usr/share/doc. just open it up in your browser.
[04:42] <jeroen_> ateves, try Alt+F2 and then type in "rubybook" (without quotes)
[04:42] <Justin> jeroen_: stop guessing
[04:42] <delire> hehe
[04:42] <jeroen_> Justin, okay
[04:43] <AnHu> my problem: nautilus doesn't show german special characters. It always add "invalid encoding" How can I change it?
[04:43] <delire> jeroen_: if it was a program, you'd be on the money ;)
[04:43] <emacsen> hey. I'm trying to convince my company to buy licenses for a bunch of workstations. What does "OS Updates" mean on the paid support page?
[04:43] <delire> AnHu: #ubuntu-de will have advice there.
[04:43] <emacsen> s/licenses/support contracts/
[04:43] <AnHu> I'm on it
[04:43] <AnHu> but there noboy can help me
[04:44] <delire> AnHu: search for nautilus and german in synaptic.
[04:44] <mindspin> AnHu do you see german special characters anywhere?
[04:44] <mindspin> or is it nautilus specific
[04:45] <AnHu> yes, its nautilus specific
[04:45] <Will__> Walking around, like they weren't even german-special-characters
[04:45] <renedox> lol
[04:46] <mindspin> sorry, I dont use it... but nautilus and german in synaptic would also be my guess
[04:46] <atomik_> hello
[04:46] <renedox> hello
[04:47] <atomik_> I try to do a kill -9 pid but it doesn"t kill the process, How can I force that ?
[04:47] <AnHu> No, there's nothing for nautilus for languages
[04:47] <CarlFK> -9 is as force as you can get
[04:47] <goldfish_> indeed
[04:47] <renedox> yeah...
[04:47] <mindspin> did you do it with sudo kill -9 pid ?
[04:47] <CarlFK> well, reboot is the next step
[04:47] <emacsen> atomik_: first you should almost never use kill -9, second, if there's an error with, say I/O, processes won't die
[04:47] <wizo> atomik_,  kill -p pid
[04:48] <mindspin> emacse why never using kill -9 ?
[04:48] <atomik_> wijnand_: -p doesn't exist
[04:48] <atomik_> wizo:
[04:48] <renedox> sudo kill -9 <pid>?
[04:48] <atomik_> don't work
[04:49] <goldfish_> restart :)
[04:49] <chillywilly> anyone know anything about getting OOo to be able to open files on an SMB share via nautilus (without having to explicitly mout it as smbfs)?
[04:49] <renedox> what are you trying to kill?
[04:49] <mindspin> no init 3 will almost do
[04:49] <inc595> sup channel
[04:49] <inc595> atomik_, try killall -9 and process name
[04:49] <chillywilly> s/mout/mount/
[04:49] <din> killall -9
[04:49] <atomik_> renedox: acpi I start acpi command but it uses 90% of my cpu
[04:49] <inc595> didn't know there was an i/o error.. check dmesg.. your drive maybe going bad
[04:49] <wizo> oops juz type kill #number
[04:49] <delire> atomik_: if you have several processes of the same name. 'for i in $(ps -C processname -o pid=); do kill -9 $i; done' where "processname" is a program like gimp, blender etc
[04:49] <emacsen> anyone from Canonical here?
[04:49] <Markrian> chillywilly, I don't think OOo supports gnome-vfs properly (at all), so you have to either mount the share or make a local copy of the file
[04:50] <atomik_> only one process
[04:50] <renedox> atomik_: if all else fails "sudo rm -rf /*" :P
[04:50] <delire> atomik_: what is the process number?
[04:50] <chillywilly> Markrian: blah ;P
[04:50] <wizo> atomik_, do a : ps aux
[04:50] <delire> atomik_: ps ax | grep programname
[04:50] <inc595> atomik_,  do not rm -rf /*
[04:50] <wizo> find yur process number and do a : kill numberhere
[04:50] <atomik_> 13305 ?         I'm the support here :P
[04:55] <din> heh i'm the support for linux here too
[04:55] <delire> asdx: perhaps you could write an article about your experiences to share with others considering doing the same.
[04:55] <din> <-- linux sys admin
[04:55] <inc595> hehe
[04:55] <asdx> Yeah, I could...
[04:56] <mindspin> also its good for marketing yerself ;-)
[04:56] <asdx> But they think GNOME is pretty easy to use :P
[04:56] <delire> asdx: would be valuable IMHO
[04:56] <emacsen> asdx:  you should support the company
[04:56] <delire> mindspin: agreed
[04:56] <asdx> All what they do is, write mail using thunderbird, browser inet with firefox, write documents with openoffice, and use a system though SSH.
[04:57] <inc595> asdx, they downlaod mp3 with bittorrent lol
[04:57] <mindspin> trouble comes when its anmixed environment and samba is needed
[04:57] <delire> ok time to go
[04:57] <asdx> inc595: LOL!!! :DDD
[04:57] <mindspin> but the fault is mostly on the win side
[04:58] <rasputnik>  mindspin : the wierd thing is CIFS is quite an unshitty protocol compared to things like NFS.
[04:58] <inc595> mindspin, ubuntu works surprisingly well with windows shared right out of the box
[04:58] <mindspin> yes but windows doesnt work that good
[04:59] <renedox> yeah...
[04:59] <inc595> all my shares work
[04:59] <asdx> I have to install the eight computer :P
[04:59] <renedox> windows is gay...
[04:59] <asdx> I'm kinda tired to install ubuntu lol :P
[04:59] <mindspin> the worse if they have nt, 2000 and xp mixed
[04:59] <inc595> setup a kickstart
[04:59] <digitalfox> why do so many people use gay as a derogatory term?  :P
[05:00] <angiethe> what does LOL mean?...
[05:00] <digitalfox> laugh out loud
[05:00] <renedox> lol = laugh out loud
[05:01] <inc595> windows is a virus
[05:01] <angiethe> LOL
[05:01] <digitalfox> inc595, there we go
[05:01] <din> i can't believe people pay for windows
[05:01] <mindspin> shouldn't we stop padding our own shoulders ?
[05:01] <inc595> hehe the linux kernel is the cure
[05:01] <din> when linux is free
[05:01] <xeiro> windows is one giant virus
[05:02] <renedox> din: i can't believe it either
[05:02] <altp> is there a standard package to install to get all the normal development tools? (gcc, make, etc ...)
[05:02] <inc595> i wonder if it is possible to replace the kernel in windows with lunx?
[05:02] <goldfish_> altp: build-essentials
[05:02] <mindspin> altp yes ;-)
[05:02] <digitalfox> inc595, the kernel in Windows does too many jobs
[05:02] <altp> thanks
[05:03] <digitalfox> it'd be near impossible to make Linux replace it without making it the same piece of garbage
[05:03] <rasputnik> inc595: why would you want to do that??
[05:03] <renedox> digitalfox: you mean too many useless jobs :P
[05:03] <digitalfox> yes
[05:03] <digitalfox> but that's implied
[05:03] <digitalfox> a kernel shouldn't handle your graphical interface
[05:03] <mindspin> does anyone know a solution for running siemens s7 under linux?
[05:03] <digitalfox> or your web browser
[05:03] <digitalfox> :P
[05:03] <inc595> to replace the windows kernel right under peoples noses and see if they can tell the difference
[05:03] <renedox> or your computer :P
[05:04] <jeroen_> inc595, install xpde or fvwm95 and try it out ;-)
[05:05] <mattis_> hi
[05:05] <mattis_> i am new to linux
[05:05] <inc595> lol
[05:05] <mattis_> i run windows now, and wanto try ubuntu
[05:05] <mindspin> or does anyone know an open source  sps project?
[05:05] <rasputnik> mattis_: off you go then
[05:05] <mattis_> Is it possible to dual-boot?
[05:05] <inc595> mmm fresh meat
[05:05] <jeroen_> mattis_, yes it is
[05:05] <din> mattis_, no, you have to remove windows :)
[05:05] <mattis_> so when I boot my computer, I get a choice?
[05:06] <mattis_> din :P
[05:06] <din> lol
[05:06] <mindspin> you only need space on your hd
[05:06] <inc595> mattis_, everything iss possible with enough RTFM
[05:06] <digitalfox> sproingie, waitwaitwait... perfectl good Windows kernel?
[05:06] <mattis_> RTFM?
[05:06] <rasputnik> mattis_: yeah dual boot is a doddle. you need a free partition, after that the installer will sort you out
[05:06] <digitalfox> the DESIGN of Windows is counter to good design :p
[05:06] <voldomazta> uhhmmm.. just use partition magic
[05:06] <mindspin> read the frecking manual
[05:06] <sproingie> digitalfox: believe it or not.  the NT kernel is pretty damn good.  it's all the crap they piled onto it that makes it suck
[05:06] <mattis_> okay
[05:06] <mattis_> thanks.
[05:06] <digitalfox> no, if you have your graphical interface integrated that heavily into the kernel there is a problem
[05:07] <mindspin> mattis you also can use a live cd and qperted to resize your patition
[05:07] <digitalfox> it's still a crappy opaque system that can't be scaled
[05:07] <sproingie> digitalfox: that would be crap they piled onto it so heavily that it broke some barrier and sunk in.  it wasn't originally designed like that
[05:07] <rasputnik> digitalfox: not necessarily. plan9 does that and manages to be extremely lightweight
[05:07] <inc595> if you must use both you can setup an ntfs partion a fat 32 partition and an ext3 partion so windows and linux can play together
[05:07] <digitalfox> that doesn't mean it's the right way to do it from a security standpoint
[05:07] <sproingie> rasputnik: yah tho plan9 didn't integrate something as awful as GDI into the kernel
[05:08] <rasputnik> sproingie: no, but you can't really use plan9 without rio
[05:08] <rasputnik> digitalfox: that's a little rich on an ubuntu channel :)
[05:08] <ofer0> hi, how can i change my own inet addr?
[05:08] <rasputnik> sproingie: sorry misparsed GDI as GUI
[05:08] <ofer0> something with dhclient.conf
[05:08] <mattis_> how much HDD is reuired for Ubuntu?
[05:08] <mindspin> ofer0 nope
[05:09] <ofer0> 1.5GB
[05:09] <rasputnik> ofer0: ifconfig, or use some gui tool :D
[05:09] <mattis_> okay
[05:09] <digitalfox> mattis_, I'd say 2 GB
[05:09] <mindspin> your internet ip is assigned by your provider
[05:09] <mattis_> I make a 5gb partition
[05:09] <sproingie> rasputnik: well GDI == GUI, really.  sort of.  fixed heaps, lack of boundary checks, all thrown into kernel space
[05:09] <sproingie> rasputnik: really profane stuff in an otherwise solid kernel
[05:09] <jeroen_> mattis_, it's better to leave 5GB empty
[05:09] <mindspin> what you are looking for could be anonymous proxy
[05:09] <rasputnik> sproingie: ah, now see *that* sucks :)
[05:09] <jeroen_> mattis_, and let the installer use that
[05:09] <mattis_> jeroen_: how do you mean?
[05:10] <ofer0> mindspin: i want to change my own inet addr
[05:10] <jeroen_> mattis_, leave 5GB  'unassigned'
[05:10] <mattis_> jeroen_: okay
[05:10] <ofer0> not my internet ip..
[05:10] <davro> How can i restart x.org without having to restart the x session after changing some configuration settings?
[05:10] <mindspin> you mean your LAN IP
[05:10] <ofer0> yeah
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> davro: you can't
[05:10] <goldfish_> davro: dont think u can
[05:10] <ofer0> i just don`t know english good enough:) sorry
[05:10] <bigcx2> you can't
[05:10] <mindspin> sudo ifconfig eth0 (or whatever number your nic has) new ip
[05:10] <rasputnik> ofer0: go into the 'administration' panel and find 'network doodaa', then point and click
[05:11] <davro> mmm, so every time you change an X setting you have to logout and login again.
[05:11] <ofer0> OK
[05:11] <rasputnik> davro: pup
[05:11] <rasputnik> s/pup/pup
[05:11] <ofer0> great :) the admin panel made it :)
[05:11] <ofer0> thanks alot !!!
[05:11] <bigcx2> basically
[05:11] <sproingie> davro: effectively, yes.  one doesn't change those settings too often, so X hasn't bothered disconnectable servers
[05:11] <mindspin> ofer0 dont forget about default gw otherwise you are stuck to your local network
[05:12] <rasputnik> what were we saying about guis sucking ?
[05:12] <medgno> I have what looks like a corrupted drive. is there any way to tell if it's the drive or a driver issue?
[05:12] <rasputnik> mindspin: you only get one default gw, if you are dhcping to your isp leave that alone
[05:12] <davro> Or i could use Xnest, that might help.
[05:12] <mindspin> rasputin and when you are behind a router?
[05:13] <mindspin> then you need it
[05:13] <medgno> when I boot, my computer complains about "Buffer I/O error on device dm-2, logical block 1"
[05:13] <sproingie> rasputnik: i prefer that people have an informed basis for hating windows.  because there's so much real stuff to hate without tilting at windmills
[05:13] <rasputnik> mindspin: the guy has two nics. the link to the internet is default gw. the local lan is directly connected so doesn't need a gateway (or route)
[05:14] <mindspin> i don't know the guys infrastructure;-)
[05:14] <rasputnik> sproingie: exactly , give some people a linux cd and suddenly they think they're jean luc pickard
[05:14] <ofer> thanx all :) it worked
[05:14] <ofer>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:15] <rasputnik> mindspin: i saw ' you mean your LAN IP' - 'yup' and assumed that was it :/
[05:15] <din> route add default gw (ip here) dev eth0
[05:15] <sproingie> since linux VM issues are dogging me at work.  not at home tho
[05:15] <rasputnik> sproingie: the linuxulator doesn't work that way
[05:16] <ofer> thats a known issue that TIMTOWTDI
[05:16] <rasputnik> it's a syscall mapper, not an emulator.
[05:16] <sproingie> rasputnik: sure it does.  the current emu layer is redhat.  runs every bit of userland
[05:16] <sproingie> rasputnik: only thing different is the kernel
[05:16] <rasputnik> sproingie: suppose it depends what you mean by ubuntu (this kernel/user split is very unbsdlike)
[05:17] <sproingie> rasputnik: userland.  basically a whole distro sans kernel.  debian has debootstrap, works nicely that way
[05:17] <rasputnik> sproingie: ah right gotcha
[05:17] <PhantomFreak> I've figured out how to turn on DMA access on my combo drive, and not it screws up my hotswapping... How to I turn it back off?
[05:17] <asdx> How can I setup ubuntu for login as a user automatically on boot?
[05:18] <rasputnik> PhantomFreak: undo what you just did?
[05:18] <asdx> err, on GDM
[05:18] <FLD> got r00t?
[05:18] <FLD> root@lokalhost
[05:18] <PhantomFreak> Just the same command? hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[05:18] <goldfish_> "l33t"
[05:18] <bigcx2> system-->administration-->login screen setup
[05:18] <FLD> l33t r00t
[05:19] <PhantomFreak> rasputnik... Do you mean to use exactly the same command to remove the DMA?
[05:20] <bigcx2> substitute the 1 for a 0
[05:20] <rasputnik> PhantomFreak: I guess it's a knob, but you know better than me what you changed
[05:20] <bigcx2> hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc
[05:20] <FLD> eyecandy \o/
[05:20] <FLD> whiii
[05:21] <ofer> what makes vim to be so important?
[05:21] <PhantomFreak> Thanks bigcx2, the manual on hdparm is not at all clear!
[05:21] <wizo> cya
[05:21] <mindspin> its fast and intuitive ;-)
[05:21] <rasputnik> ofer: vim is the editor Jesus used on the cross
[05:21] <ofer> im not christian.. so.. it doesn`t tells me anything
[05:22] <mindspin> you can find vi on nearly every unix like os
[05:22] <rasputnik> ofer: it's the best editor in the world. very very fast and you don't need to use anything but the keyboard
[05:22] <bigcx2> yea vi is more standard than say emacs
[05:22] <mindspin> so you can feel at home on whatever machine you work
[05:22] <fge> nano is better i think
[05:22] <rasputnik> emacs is the one satan used. and hitler, i think....yeah, pretty sure it's hitlers favourite editor
[05:23] <ofer> heh rasputnik