[00:02] <Deeps> LoveGuru: what's your mount line in your fstab?
[00:10] <LoveGuru> Sorry was not here.
[00:10] <LoveGuru> # /dev/sda3
[00:10] <LoveGuru> UUID=73a8827b-6cac-42d9-a918-e1d7fa657e1f /mnt/sda        ext3    relatime,error
[00:10] <LoveGuru> s-remount-ro 0        0
[00:11] <LoveGuru> thats the line i add it in /etc/fstab
[00:15] <Deeps> LoveGuru: thats all on one line or split into two lines?
[00:16] <LoveGuru> one line
[00:16] <Deeps> and if you try to manually mount using mount /mnt/sda
[00:17] <LoveGuru> it works fine manually " sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda
[00:17] <LoveGuru> no error nothing
[00:17] <Deeps> thats not what i asked you to do
[00:17] <Deeps> [sudo] mount /mnt/sda is different to [sudo] mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda
[00:17] <LoveGuru> ohh i didn;t checked it. ya but its working fine
[00:17] <LoveGuru> ahh sorry
[00:18] <Deeps> if you can umount it and try it the way i asked
[00:18] <LoveGuru> sudo mount /mnt/sda
[00:18] <LoveGuru> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda3,
[00:18] <LoveGuru>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[00:18] <LoveGuru>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[00:18] <LoveGuru>        dmesg | tail  or so
[00:19] <Deeps> seems like you're trying to mount /dev/sda3 as ext3 when it's not ext3
[00:19] <hads> Or your UUID is wrong
[00:19] <Deeps> hads: see the last word on the first line of the error
[00:20] <hads> heh, I do now :)
[00:20] <LoveGuru> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2008-11-27 17:33 73a8827b-6cac-42d9-a918-e1d7fa657e1f -> ../../sda3
[00:20] <LoveGuru> i set the correct UUID
[00:20] <Deeps> LoveGuru: your uuid is correct, hads didnt read the error message fully
[00:20] <LoveGuru> ahhh
[00:20] <LoveGuru> ok
[00:21] <hads> sudo vol_id /dev/sda3 | grep TYPE
[00:22] <LoveGuru> ID_FS_TYPE=ext3
[00:22] <Deeps> looks like you need to see if there's any useful info in your syslog then
[00:22] <LoveGuru> Deeps: /var/syslog ?
[00:23] <Deeps> /var/log/syslog
[00:23] <LoveGuru> alright
[00:23] <Deeps> at a guess, i'd reckon there's a problem with your options
[00:24] <Deeps> errors-remount-ro looks suspect
[00:24] <Deeps> should have spotted that earlier hehe
[00:24] <LoveGuru> Deeps: w0ww man u are the genious :)
[00:24] <LoveGuru> yep.
[00:24] <LoveGuru> thats the error i found in /var/log/syslog
[00:25] <LoveGuru> do i ahve to paste that 4 lines at pastebin?
[00:25] <hads> Just remove the option
[00:25] <Deeps> dont bother, we know what the problem is already
[00:25] <Deeps> you typod
[00:25] <LoveGuru> :<
[00:25] <Deeps> there should be an = sign in there
[00:26] <LoveGuru> UUID=73a8827b-6cac-42d9-a918-e1d7fa657e1f /mnt/sda        ext3    relatime,error s-remount-ro 0        0
[00:26] <LoveGuru> thats the line
[00:26] <Deeps> error s-remount-ro should be errors=remount-ro
[00:26] <Deeps> if you look at your fstab, the line relating to mountpoint /
[00:27] <Deeps> cripes my fstab's a mess
[00:28] <LoveGuru> so Just Remove that option line ?
[00:28] <Deeps> up to you, you can either remove the option, or you can type it correctly
[00:28] <LoveGuru> okie
[00:31] <LoveGuru> Deeps And hads Thanx. yep now got the entry in df -h
[00:32] <Deeps> super
[00:32] <LoveGuru> So Nice 0f guys.. u guys are really helpfull for new *nix newbies. i appriciate all help.
[00:34] <hads> Thank Deeps mostly, but nice to see that you have a good attitude :)
[00:35] <LoveGuru> tx :)
[01:00] <iclebyte> is there anyway I can break out to a shell during the partitioning stage of the ubuntu-server 8.04 installer? I want to check if mkfs.ext3 is still running but ALT+F2 just changes the background colour =)
[01:01] <ball> What about Ctrl Alt F2 ?
[01:02] <iclebyte> does the same thing
[01:02] <iclebyte> i'm creating a 1TB raid 1 volume but its been sat at 33% for the last few hours..
[01:04] <iclebyte> no more suggetions
[01:04] <iclebyte> suggestions*
[01:06] <ball> hardware RAID?
[01:07] <iclebyte> no software raid
[01:07] <iclebyte> a little under 4 hours is been running now
[01:08] <ball> I'm not very familiar with software RAID on Linux
[01:08] <ball> I've done it once or twice, but never on a boot disk
[01:12] <iclebyte> well all i need to know is how to get a shell during the install
[01:12] <ball> Ctrl + C?
[01:13] <iclebyte> don't really wanna be hitting ctrl+C
[01:13] <ball> okay.
[01:13] <iclebyte> i just want to check if mkfs.ext3 is running
[01:13] <iclebyte> although the disk light on the server is still going..
[01:13] <ball> can you ssh in?
[01:14] <iclebyte> how long should it take to format a 1tb raid volume with ext3?
[01:14]  * ball shrugs
[01:14] <iclebyte> no the installer doesn't start ssh by default
[01:15] <iclebyte> nightmare, i guess i'll just have to leave it a few more hours..
[01:15] <hads> ext3 is slow at doing stuff
[01:18] <iclebyte> I read a thread that said the way the installer calculates its progress is that it waits for mkfs.ext3 to complete before moving from 33% and the fact that ALT+F1 & ALT+F2 change the colours means the system is still responsive but should it take over 4 hours?
[01:18] <hads> Couldn't say as I haven't formatted a large partition with ext3 for ages. I wouldn't be surprised though.
[01:19] <iclebyte> okay i'll leave it
[01:19] <iclebyte> better goto work. thanks alot.
[01:27] <ball> hello rgreening
[01:49] <ball> hello azteech
[01:52] <rgreening> hey ball
[01:54] <azteech> evening, ball
[01:55] <ball> hello rphillips
[01:59] <ball> Anyone here tried netatalk on Ubuntu Server?
[02:00] <azteech> nope, can't say I have
[02:02] <ball> is there some way to uninstall a package and all of the dependencies, except those shared by other packages that remain on the system?
[02:08] <azteech> ball, there is, but at moment, the exact apt-get command escapes me ... try doing a search on the Ubuntu Forums.
[02:09] <ball> Are those at ubuntu.com ?
[02:09] <azteech> no, ubuntuforums.org
[02:09] <ball> thanks
[02:11] <azteech> you are welcome
[02:23] <ssd7> well, once you uninstall it using apt-get remove
[02:24] <ssd7> i think apt-get autoremove will get rid of packages that were brought in by that package but aren't needed by other packages
[02:31] <ball> Thanks
[03:11] <ball> nfs, samba, netatalk... what other ways are there to share a filesystem?
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> ball: sshfs
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> ftp, http
[03:52] <ball> oooh, thanks.
[06:49] <Lokin> Can someone help me make a restricted user (guest?) on my server
[07:38] <milestone> Lokin: still there?
[07:38] <Lokin> yes
[07:39] <Lokin> busy atm
[07:39] <Lokin> one sec
[08:30] <Koon> sommer: thx for the likewise-open SRU testing... any chance you could also test bug 222224 (part of the same SRU) and set the verification-done tag if successful ?
[08:31] <Lokin> milestone: done
[08:43] <kraut> moin
[09:51] <elTigre> hey, my locales are broken... how can I fix them??
[12:00] <joerlend> I have my domain pointed to a webserver on which I have an account. Now, I have another webserver at home, and I'd like requests to the first server to be silently redirected to the other. That is, a cloak. How do I do that? People have mentioned mod_rewrite in apache, but do I use that as a normal script or is it an apache config?
[12:19] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have a question about wifi and radius server
[12:19] <eagles0513875> im using ubuntu server and have turned it into kubuntu using a super basic kde install of the kde-core pkg
[12:19] <eagles0513875> now i have wifi working fine at home
[12:19] <eagles0513875> and im able to get on the wifi at school just fine
[12:19] <eagles0513875> no proxies
[12:19] <eagles0513875> but when i ping google.com i get destination host unreachable
[12:25] <Koon> zul: debdiff for hardy SRU posted on bug 290399, you might want to accept the nomination
[12:25] <eagles0513875> koon any idea as to my issue
[12:26] <Koon> eagles0513875: not really. Try a tracepath to see where it's stuck, maybe
[12:27] <_ruben> there's something really fishy wrt to postfix package when combined with preseeding .. when preseeding "no configuration" option, it asks for the mailname, which is shouldnt ask .. and that very option (mailname) cant be preseeded either (it can only be 'preseeded' after postfix has been installed)
[13:15] <lamont> _ruben: one has to seed the seen flag too
[13:15] <_ruben> lamont: it wont let me, but i dont understand why that question even pops up?
[13:16] <_ruben> why ask for mailname when no configuration is chosen? its not asked when chosing it interactively
[13:16] <_ruben> and seeding the seen flag doesnt work for some reason (it doesnt know the mailname "tag" (or whatever those are called))
[13:16] <lamont> mailname defaults to 'hostname --fqdn' output
[13:17] <lamont> see also bug 252980
[13:17] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me with a particular issue
[13:17] <_ruben> lamont: i know, but what i dont understand is how preseeding could lead to *more* questions
[13:18] <_ruben> eagles0513875: you turned your server into kubuntu, ask the kubuntu ppl for help
[13:20] <lamont> _ruben: because the config script specifically messes with the default values, I expect
[13:20] <eagles0513875> _ruben ok but this is kinda specific network issue cuz i seem to be missing something im just wondeirng if there is a network guru in here but i guess not
[13:21] <lamont> eagles0513875: paste.ubuntu.com: give us the output of netstat -rn
[13:22] <eagles0513875> ok ill have to install konversation cuz im on a windows box atm
[13:22] <eagles0513875> lamont this issue occurs at school which i wont be at till monday
[13:23] <eagles0513875> lamont im missing something with regards to authenticating against a radius server
[13:23] <eagles0513875> cuz i get an ip and all but cant ping for instance google.com or get to a website
[13:23] <lamont> ah, well then, you want a radius persone
[13:23] <lamont> s/e$//
[13:23] <eagles0513875> is there a channel for that
[13:23] <lamont> nfc
[13:24] <_ruben> lamont: any ideas on why postfix/mailname isnt known to debconf prior to install postfix, but is present after? eventually, all i want is postfix to install without asking questions, its configuration will be handled by our configuration management system anyways
[13:25] <lamont> _ruben: because it's defined in the postfix package debconf templates, of course.
[13:26] <_ruben> lamont: which is because of its complexity? since (atleast some of) the other stuff is preseedable just fine
[13:26] <lamont> that it's defined there? no, that's the architecture of debconf
[13:26] <Boogieman> Hello
[13:27] <Boogieman> How to get server-ubuntu network to work after install?
[13:27] <lamont> _ruben: in your preseed file:
[13:27] <lamont> d-i postfix/main_mailer_type string No configuration
[13:27] <lamont> d-i postfix/mailname seen true
[13:27] <_ruben> lamont: i'll try again just to be sure, but iirc, i tried similar thing numerous times .. it complains to not know postfix/mailname
[13:28] <lamont> and does d-i pkgsel/include have postfix in the list/
[13:28] <lamont> ?
[13:28] <_ruben> yes
[13:29] <_ruben> initiating test install .. will know results in a few mins
[13:53] <_ruben> lamont: both an intrepid and hardy test install come up with the mailname question :(
[13:54] <_ruben> no complaining about mailname in the syslog now though, strange
[13:55] <ivoks> mailname question?
[13:55] <_ruben> ivoks: postfix/mailname .. "System mail name"
[13:55] <_ruben> even tho i preseeded it with seen true
[13:56] <lamont> _ruben: interesting.  doesn't happen here
[13:56] <_ruben> its not impossible for my setup to be flawed somehow
[13:56] <ivoks> postfix postfix/mailname        string  mysuperbox
[13:58] <_ruben> ivoks: that was gonna be my next test, preseeding it with a dummy value
[13:58] <_ruben> will do so now
[14:00] <ivoks> well, if you don't preseed it, it will ask
[14:01] <_ruben> the odd thing is, is that i shouldnt even be getting that question imo, since i chose "no configuration" .. when i use debconf-set-selections and then apt-get install postfix, it wont ask me that question
[14:01] <lamont> do you seed the hostname?
[14:02] <lamont> (as in, not postfix)
[14:02] <_ruben> lamont: no, i enter it at install time (either as boot option or interactively)
[14:03] <lamont> that might be related, since postfix defaults mailname to the fqdn of the host.  dunno
[14:03]  * lamont is not a d-i guy
[14:04] <_ruben> lamont: i kinda doubt that that would be it, since the question does come with an (acceptable) default answer
[14:04] <_ruben> im gonna try preseeding a dummy mailname
[14:07] <_ruben> atleast i havent been running into the "unclean target" error for a while now .. *keeps fingers crossed*
[14:15] <_ruben> preseeding a dummyhostname seemed to have done the trick .. its booting the target now
[14:16] <_ruben> and it did configure postfix up to a point .. naughty :p
[14:16] <lamont>  /etc/mailname always gets created if not extant.  iz policy
[14:16] <lamont> "No Configuration" refers to main.cf
[14:19] <_ruben> i expected to end up without main.cf, which is the case with debconf-set-selections+apt-get, but i end up with some basic one
[14:20] <_ruben> either way, its progress :)
[14:38] <ivoks> recommends are installed by default?
[15:12] <[1]Dave> hello
[15:12] <[1]Dave> somebody here
[15:12] <[1]Dave> ?
[15:13] <[1]Dave> can somebody help me?
[15:14] <ivoks> don't ask if you can ask, just ask
[15:16] <nijaba> !ask
[15:21] <nijaba> I guess [1]Dave just wanted to know if help was available but had not question yet?
[15:21] <_ruben> probably
[15:22] <nijaba> ivoks: yes, since Intrepid, recommends are indeed installed by default
[15:23] <ivoks> nijaba: thanks
[15:23] <nijaba> ivoks: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#Recommended%20packages%20installed%20by%20default
[15:27] <ivoks> vanishing bug
[15:28] <ivoks> what's wrong with:
[15:28] <ivoks> db_set bacula/sd_passwd "$SDPASSWD"
[15:28] <ivoks> ?
[15:29] <Jeeves_> Ha!
[15:30] <Jeeves_> Now I know your password!
[15:32] <_ruben> heh
[15:32] <ivoks> Jeeves_: yeah; it's $SPADDSWD=`cat /dev/urandom`
[15:48] <ivoks> i'd better stop or else i'm gonna get mad
[15:53] <ivoks> doh!
[15:53] <ivoks> string
[16:34] <lucabecchetti> hi, sorry, mysql-server-5.1 is not in apt????
[16:36] <lucabecchetti> nobody know?
[16:36] <Deeps> it was only released on 14th november
[16:36] <andol> lucabecchetti: No, not in the standard repositories anyway.
[16:37] <Deeps> it wont be in standard repos for a while
[16:37] <lucabecchetti> thanks, i need to test some features, do you know some alternative repos?
[16:37] <Deeps> letmegooglethatforyou.com
[16:38] <andol> lucabecchetti: Once a releases is made, the only updates it will get are serious bug fixes.
[16:38] <lucabecchetti> ok
[16:38] <lucabecchetti> thanks
[16:49] <Xpistos> Hey, I am at my witts end and could use a little help getting VNC ed into my Ubuntu server from my windows box at work. Any takers?
[16:50] <Xpistos> I have my SSH tunnel up and am running everything through secured connection, but I can't seem to connect to the server
[16:50] <Xpistos> Via VNC
[16:55] <Deeps> you have vnc running on your ubuntu box?
[16:56] <Deeps> vncserver*
[16:56] <Xpistos> Deeps: Yes. I can connect from my Intrpeid Laptop
[16:57] <Deeps> are all 3 machines on the same lan? not behind any routers or anything?
[16:57] <Xpistos> Deeps: The Ubunru server is on my home network and this windows machine I am on now is at work, but I am SSH ed in
[16:57] <Deeps> and your intrepid laptop is where?
[16:58] <Xpistos> Deeps: That is in my bag, but I can't get wireless connection from work
[16:58] <Deeps> ok
[16:58] <Deeps> what ssh tunnels do you have defined?
[16:59] <Xpistos> Deeps: Why you say what SSh tunnels what do you mean?
[16:59] <Xpistos> Deeps: I have a tunnel setup through putty
[16:59] <Deeps> what do you mean by 'tunnel'?
[17:00] <Xpistos> I setup up an ssh connection using Putty and have a tunnel forwarded to port 8080
[17:01] <Deeps> how did you make this tunnel?
[17:02] <Xpistos> in Putty it gives the option under SSH to add a port for an SSH tunel. Set it Dynamic and added the port to forward to 8080 and that is how I can connect to the internet via proxy through Firefox, Pidgin, etc
[17:02] <Deeps> ok, so you've setup a dynamic ssh tunnel on port 8080
[17:02] <Xpistos> yes
[17:02] <Deeps> which allows applications with socks support to proxy through your remote machine
[17:02] <Xpistos> correct
[17:03] <Deeps> add another tunnel, local port: 5900, destination: localhost:5900, type local
[17:03] <Deeps> these are called ssh tunnels
[17:03] <Deeps> local, remote and dynamic, all are called ssh tunnels
[17:03] <Xpistos> Add another tunnel in what, my rooter or in putty
[17:03] <Deeps> in putty
[17:04] <Deeps> and it's not a 'rooter', it's a router
[17:05] <Deeps> creating port forwards in your router is not creating a tunnel, dont get the terms confused
[17:05] <Xpistos> Okay that is open
[17:05] <Deeps> now load up vnc on the same machine, and try to connect to localhost
[17:07] <Xpistos> Deeps: It must be a problem with the VNC client I am using. I will try to see if I can get some help setting it up.
[17:46] <slicslak> anyone recall where the system setting for the editor is kept?  just want to change crontab -e to use vi
[17:55] <ropetin> slicslak: export VISUAL=/usr/bin/vim
[18:05] <slicslak> ropetin, that won't change it permanetly though will it?
[18:06] <ropetin> slicslak: I don't honestly know.  It worked on my box, but it never restarts
[18:07] <slicslak> heh  :)
[18:08] <ropetin> Current uptime is 109 days, which strangely enough is when it first turned on :D
[18:09] <Deeps> slicslak: alter your .profile or the systemwide profile to EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim; export EDITOR
[18:30] <slicslak> Deeps, right, i thought it was in profile but didn't realize i had to add that line
[18:31] <slicslak> th
[18:31] <slicslak> x
[19:09] <mathiaz> zul: http://lists.mysql.com/packagers/402 -> mysql 5.1 has reached GA
[19:10] <mathiaz> zul: should we get 5.1 in jaunty?
[19:42] <zul> mathiaz: yeah sounds like a good idea
[19:43] <zul> i think its in experimental isnt it?
[19:43] <mathiaz> zul: yes - looking at it now
[19:43] <zul> k
[19:44] <mathiaz> zul: the build log for 5.0 show test failures in arithemtic tests
[19:44] <mathiaz> zul: that's really strange
[19:45] <mathiaz> zul: sum, average and other functions don't return the correct result apparently
[19:45] <zul> mathiaz: so you noticed? :)
[19:46] <mathiaz> zul: I have no clue where the problem could be
[19:47] <zul> mathiaz: im guessing gcc
[19:47] <mathiaz> zul: I'll put up the build log somewhere and ask for input
[19:47] <mathiaz> zul: right - I'd also thought about that
[19:47] <mathiaz> zul: may be kees has an idea about as he played with it for the PIE stuff
[19:47] <zul> mathiaz: ive been checking google and bugs.mysql.com but nada
[19:48] <zul> mathiaz: i dont think it has to do with the pie stuff maybe the armour stuff?
[19:49] <mathiaz> zul: may be.
[19:50] <mathiaz> kees: do you have any idea why mysql-dfsg-5.0 fails to build?
[19:50] <mathiaz> kees: see ^^ for some information
[19:51] <mathiaz> kees: I've put up the sbuild logs for amd64 and i386: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathiaz/mysql-dfsg-5.0_5.0.67-1ubuntu1_amd64 http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathiaz/mysql-dfsg-5.0_5.0.67-1ubuntu1_i386
[19:52] <mathiaz> zul: if we're moving to mysql 5.1 what would be the impact on packages linked to libmysql?
[19:52] <mathiaz> zul: does this mean we'd have to go through a library transition?
[19:53] <zul> some packages might break but we would have to figure out what needs to be changed
[19:54] <zul> 138 packages will have to be checked looks like including qt so it wouldnt be trivial
[19:58] <zul> mathiaz: im trying with -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE
[20:05] <mathiaz> zul: well - 5.1 shows similar test failures
[20:06] <mathiaz> zul: considering that 5.1 builds in debian, it's probably related to ubuntu toolchain
[20:07] <mathiaz> zul: same for 5.0
[20:09] <zul> still building with disabling fortify source here ill let you know
[20:12] <zul> still the same thing
[21:16] <N6REJ> can anyone help me get mail setup fora  users?
[21:16] <N6REJ> i've forgotten how to add a new user to the mail system
[21:31] <nicodarious> hello
[21:31] <nicodarious> anyone here familiar with software RAID setup?
[21:32] <nicodarious> or is anyone actually here and not roaming other rooms?
[21:33] <andol> nicodarious: Yes, I've got some experience using mdadm.
[21:34] <nicodarious> oh great.  that might come in handy.
[21:34] <nicodarious> i have two software raid chips
[21:35] <nicodarious> one is onboard nvidia raid (which i want to bypass) and the other is a VIA VT6421 chip software RAID daughterboard.
[21:35] <nicodarious> i have installed dmraid but it automatically wants to see the nvidia.  it even set up the /dev/mapper/nvidia_* and won't let me do anything with the VIA chip.
[21:36] <nicodarious> mdadm, i don't know about.  i was advised to go with dmraid with RAID 0 though.  do you have any input on this?  i'm way open for suggestions
[21:38] <andol> nicodarious: No idea, I've only use "pure" software raid. In other words, normal disc controllers with all magic happening in the operating system.
[21:40] <nicodarious> well, they are both software raid sets
[21:41] <nicodarious> theres no hardware raid here, or everything would happen in the BIOS before bootup
[21:41] <nicodarious> and i would already be in 4TB heaven
[21:42] <nicodarious> i have worked with lvm before but i have never worked with dmraid before and i need some guidance... but the web isn't helping out much.
[21:43] <nicodarious> everything seems to cover 'installing into lvm or mdadm' but nothing covers setting up dmraid on several hdds that are just for storage.
[21:43] <nicodarious> i have been working with this for two days now and i haven't found a site yet that helps out.  maybe you know one by any chance?
[21:44] <andol> well, still no experience using dmraid
[21:47] <nicodarious> ok.  thanks though.
[21:47] <nicodarious> maybe i might run across a site somewhere for dmraid
[21:53] <nicodarious> anyone know about dmraid by any chance?
[22:36] <mathiaz> nicodarious: why do you want to use dmraid in your setup? you should try to use software RAID only - it's easier to setup unless you want to share the raid array with windows
[22:38] <jmarsden> nicodarious: Go with "pure" software RAID, it is easier, portable to a different disk controller/motherboard in an emergency, and just generally a saner approach than using "fakeraid" chips
[22:50] <nicodarious> i though dmraid WAS software raid?
[22:50] <nicodarious> dmraid discovers, activates, deactivates and displays properties of software RAID sets (eg, ATARAID) and contained DOS partitions.
[22:51] <nicodarious> dmraid uses the Linux device-mapper to create devices with respective mappings for the ATARAID sets discovered.


[00:32] <jfer> hi all. i just put my name on the wiki to volunteer for open day
[00:33] <jfer> still looks as though there are a lot of slots still left
[00:43] <head_laptop> jfer, yeah caryb and I will be there all day so we didn´t want to fill it up straight away
[00:43] <head_laptop> jfer, but the more people helping out means we all get to actually look at the other stalls as well
[00:44] <head_laptop> Also makes it easier to document the day (take photos, etc)
[00:57] <jfer> ok
[00:57] <jfer> i am heading down today
[00:58] <jfer> i hope to see you monday
[00:58] <head_victim> I'll be there :) I'm also going to be going to rego on Sunday so I can also attend the newbie session
[00:59] <jfer> yer i was thinking about registering on sunday
[00:59] <jfer> what is the newbie session??
[00:59] <jfer> it is my first time at LCA
[00:59] <head_victim> Apparently they hold a newcomers session to detail what to expect, what to do, etc for people who haven't been to an LCA before (which is me) and is highly recommended
[01:00] <head_victim> They're still confirming times and places for it because of the reshuffle though but apparently it's usually around the time of the sunday registration
[01:02] <jfer> ok
[01:02] <jfer> well i might see you there then
[01:02] <jfer> gtg and pack
[02:52] <head_victim> WIthout unplugged and replugging a device, if I've "safely removed" a usb device is there a way to get it to recognise again?
[03:58] <blahdeblah> Anyone tried to lodge their BAS on Ubuntu lately?    Anyone know if there's a Firefox plugin that lets you mangle the JavaScript that's used on a page?
[04:16] <nisshh> blahdeblah, BAS?
[04:16] <blahdeblah> Business Activity Statement
[04:16] <blahdeblah> Where you pay the govt the GST you collected for them
[04:16] <nisshh> oh right, no
[04:16] <nisshh> i havent
[04:17] <nisshh> i think most people use etax on windows for that, im not even sure its possible on linux
[04:17] <nisshh> blahdeblah, ^^
[04:17] <blahdeblah> not etax - that's for tax returns
[04:17] <blahdeblah> This is for BAS
[04:18] <blahdeblah> I've been doing it on Linux for the past 4 years
[04:22] <blahdeblah> !@#$ stupid ATO - every step except the last one works with a proxy server, but you have to bypass the proxy to make the final one work.
[04:23] <blahdeblah> Simmer down, lubotu2 - i wasn't talking to you.  ;-)
[04:24] <blahdeblah> Not only that, but it tries to check the time against time-a.nist.gov using TIMEP!  Aaarrrgh!
[04:24]  * blahdeblah pulls out the angry eyes >:o
[09:41] <orly_go> 3 australia huwei e169g on lucid 10.04.1 with nm 0.8.0ubuntu3?
[09:41] <orly_go> how to?
[09:41] <sagaci> Hi
[09:42] <orly_go> hi
[09:42] <sagaci> It's not detecting it?
[09:43] <orly_go> it appears on desktop as cd/usb storage
[09:43] <head_victim> orly_go: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation
[09:43] <orly_go> so i safely remove it and it is detected in nm menu as 'vodafone'
[09:43] <head_victim> Apparently needs a modeswitch
[09:44] <orly_go> safely remove means it shows up as usb modem in dmesg
[09:45] <orly_go> i was hoping it wouldnt need modeswitch
[09:45] <orly_go> thought lucid fixed that
[09:45] <sagaci> Hi
[09:45] <head_victim> Hmm it does say only for older releases so should work ootb
[09:45] <orly_go> well
[09:45] <orly_go> idk
[09:46] <orly_go> i rebooted with it plugged in too, same result
[09:47] <sagaci> Never had any trouble with the e1762
[09:48] <orly_go> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 12d1:1001 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E620 USB Modem
[09:48] <orly_go> hmm e620?
[09:51] <head_victim> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1138136
[09:51] <head_victim> Seems to suggest it works ok
[09:58] <orly_go> oh i didnt go to edit connections
[09:58] <orly_go> i forgot i had to do that
[09:59] <sagaci> Does nm just not detect it
[10:00] <orly_go> it does
[10:00] <orly_go> as 'vadafone' though
[10:00] <orly_go> it is on 3
[10:01] <orly_go> i will disconnect here and plug it into the lucid pc
[10:01] <orly_go> bbl
[10:13] <head_victim> Vodafone and 3 are now the same provider in AU now aren't they?
[10:25] <orly_go> woo
[10:26] <orly_go> got it working on lucid
[10:26] <orly_go> had to edit connections
[10:26] <orly_go> the vodafone one was from another 3g modem :)
[10:26] <head_victim> orly_go: good stuff I'm so not good with 3g (the only 3g I have is a home network gateway from Telstra)
[10:27] <orly_go> thanks
[10:27] <head_victim> Which is essentially a stand alone router with 4 port ethernet and wireless lan connections
[10:27] <orly_go> i wont say im great with it either
[10:27] <head_victim> Heh you going to be at LCA?
[10:27] <orly_go> sometime, somewhere
[10:27] <orly_go> ys
[10:27] <orly_go> yes
[10:27] <orly_go> back later, bye for now
[10:28] <head_victim> Cheerio
[10:44] <orly_go> and thats dinner done
[10:47] <orly_go> hmm
[10:47] <orly_go> bye!
[12:17] <sagaci> Hi
[12:18] <head_victim> Gday
[12:20] <sagaci> Is the buntu store still happening for open day
[12:20] <head_victim> Yep
[12:21] <head_victim> Well be a few of us there fingers crossed.
[12:21] <sagaci> Ah ok cool, so meet up is on monday night?
[12:25] <head_victim> Yep, we'll mosey on down after the conference and eat pancakes. Sounds good to me anyway.
[12:29] <sagaci> How many have you got so far
[12:33] <head_victim> About 10
[12:33] <head_victim> Well 10 that have said yes I'll be there either in email or irc. No idea if we'll have walk ins or people who said they'd show not
[12:34] <sagaci> How far is it from the venue
[12:35] <head_victim> It's in the CBD so should be close to where most people are staying
[12:35] <head_victim> http://www.pancakemanor.com.au/
[12:35] <head_victim> The charlotte street address
[12:36] <sagaci> Ah ok
[12:37] <head_victim> It was going to be a couple of streets away from the venue before the floods
[12:39] <sagaci> So will urbanest people need to take a bus now to the venue
[12:40] <head_victim> Yep
[12:40] <head_victim> None of the "official" venues are within comfortable walking distance
[12:41] <sagaci> Yeah
[12:49] <head_victim> Bit of a shame but really good organisation by the lca team to completely swap venues in a week or so
[12:51] <sagaci> Yeah true
[20:44] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I've checked the motherboards i have in my spares box, and they're all Intel D845GLLY - no AGP/PCIe; PCI only.  There should be full specs on Intel's site.  If you want any (i have 3), let me know.


[02:59] <dobey> hmm, still no bluetooth on n5 with bluez 5 :-/
[08:13] <elimisteve> My used Nexus 4 came in the mail today. Put Ubuntu Phone on it a few hours ago!
[08:13] <elimisteve> I had tried it a few months ago on my Nexus 5 (dual-booted)
[08:13] <elimisteve> I really want Ubuntu Phone to be the future, but honestly, it seems to be improving rather slowly
[08:14] <elimisteve> popey: Can you share roughly how many people are working on Ubuntu Phone full-time?
[08:14] <elimisteve> I'm also curious how much impact 1 person can have (I'm a Go, Python, and JS developer)
[09:02] <lpotter>  at least over December, heaps of people are on holidays
[09:25] <zubozrout> Hello. Could someone please help me out with my QML project. This is one of the files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14456672/ and for some reason this code: connection_detail.console_out += "→ " +  type + "(" + num + ")" + "\n"; is called more times than how many items are present in the connection_trains_detail_info_model. More precisely if there are n items in the model then the components in the delegate are called n factori
[09:27] <zubozrout> So if I mark model items as "1","2","3" ... then this is what is called in the delegate: "1","2","3","2","3","3" - and although I've been wondering about that for the whole day now I haven't figured it out.
[09:29] <zubozrout> Oh, sorry, probably a wrong thread, I should have asked in the ubuntu-app-devel channel.
[11:18] <popey> elimisteve, I don't know exactly how many people, but I'd guess not a huge number (compared with other mobile platforms).
[11:18] <popey> elimisteve, a single developer can make a huge difference!
[13:30] <farad> I have run into a problem with the ubuntu-sdk: cmake works fine in the build-preferences, but upon running the project with Ctrl+R it is complaining, that /usr/bin/cmake is not existing
[13:31] <farad> ubuntu version 15.10
[13:33] <farad> if I install cmake systemwide this message of course disappears, but the problem then goes on as it cannot find the compilers then
[13:33] <farad> so I think the problem is somewhere else
[13:43] <farad> OK, system wide installation of the armhf cross compilers fixed the issue, but I still wonder, why there has to exist an internal and an external version of cmake
[13:57] <extraymond> Anyone know how to set unity8 on nexus 7 to vertical?
[15:58] <farad> has anybody gotten an error similar to this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14459067/
[15:58] <farad> only occurs when building for the phone
[15:58] <farad> desktop works fine
[15:59] <farad> it is the output of QtCreator, when building a "QML app with simple UI (cmake)"
[16:02] <farad> I am experimenting with the CurrencyConverter demo project from here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/building-your-first-qml-app/
[16:12] <dobey> farad: #ubuntu-app-devel is a better place for app dev questions
[16:21] <farad> @dobey: thanks, then I will move there
[16:23] <dobey> elimisteve: Rome wasn't built in a day.


[20:59] <seattlegaucho> hmmm ... kde on the netbook went better than I thought
[20:59] <seattlegaucho> I might adopt it long term
[22:23] <Uber_Geek> I will have to try KDE again,  something about 4.0 frustrated me back when, but I can't remember what


[00:05] <samuel> riiight installation is GO, fingers crossed this time
[00:07] <duanedesign> :)
[00:07] <stlsaint> duanedesign: sup
[00:08] <duanedesign> stlsaint: playing with Metasploit
[00:08] <stlsaint> duanedesign: nice, if i could get postgresql up and runnign on my tablet with backtrack i will be golden
[00:09] <samuel> what tablet is that? :D
[00:09] <duanedesign> stlsaint: now I am setting up a virtual server I can try and find vulnerabilities in
[00:09] <stlsaint> samuel: motorola xoom
[00:09] <stlsaint> samuel: rooted with ICS ;)
[00:09] <samuel> !!
[00:09] <samuel> what do you think of the spark?
[00:10] <duanedesign> stlsaint: hmmm, I still need to install postgresql. Hope I do not have an issue
[00:10] <stlsaint> samuel: dont think much of it as i havent checked it out
[00:10] <stlsaint> duanedesign: i made a self tutorial on setting up postgresql and the dradis server then getting your first wifi handshake
[00:10] <samuel> i think its a great idea, but it with no multi touch kde looks clunky compared to ics
[00:11] <stlsaint> duanedesign: and using db_autopwn O_O :D
[00:11] <duanedesign> :)
[00:11] <stlsaint> duanedesign: i have a mean nmap you might be interested in when the time comes
[00:12] <stlsaint> samuel: i think its a hack job not truly worth being compared to true linux tablets
[00:12] <stlsaint> ill just wait on the ubuntu one
[00:12] <samuel> "the ubuntu one" i think you hit on a product name there :P
[00:12] <duanedesign> i just added some of the mailing lists from seclist.org to google reader
[00:12] <stlsaint> ha...ubuntu one is already taken though
[00:13] <duanedesign> hmm, might copyright thatbefore someone steals it
[00:13] <stlsaint> duanedesign: apple will probably sue me over it
[00:13] <samuel> is there a trademark equivalent of the gpl license??
[00:13] <duanedesign> :D
[00:13] <samuel> and if apple dont, microsoft will
[00:14] <samuel> did you see the patent dispute they have with barnes and noble? one of them is regarding "selecting text in a web browser"
[00:14] <samuel> shitson, i think just about every web browser/os violates that one
[00:15] <stlsaint> samuel: yea well whenever you get in bed with apple or microsoft thats what you must deal with
[00:15] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[00:15] <JackyAlcine> I think it's a trademark already, tbh
[00:15] <JackyAlcine> you can't really license a trademark.
[00:15] <JackyAlcine> You'd have to go and register it somewhere.
[00:15] <samuel> btw well done on your root job, i sadfaced so much when i couldnt disable the fastboot on my wildfire :(
[00:16] <JackyAlcine> At least, i don't think you can license a trademark.
[00:16] <JackyAlcine> It's the U.S. patent office's fault.
[00:16] <JackyAlcine> for permitting software patents.
[00:16] <samuel> i so wanted cyangen mod
[00:16] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: sup
[00:16] <JackyAlcine> stlsaint: chilling, getting the hang of packaging :)
[00:16] <JackyAlcine> you?
[00:16] <stlsaint> samuel: aye thanks ICS is sweet
[00:17] <JackyAlcine> samuel: you found my blog? lol
[00:17] <JackyAlcine> or
[00:17] <JackyAlcine> lol oh
[00:17]  * JackyAlcine awkward .____. lol
[00:17] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: im sitting somewhere between dusting off the old zsh config, getting my hands dirty with vim and installing backtrack
[00:17] <samuel> its not quite so fun waiting for it to be officially released on my sensation xe
[00:18] <stlsaint> samuel: aye i was suppose to get it for my nexus s 4g yesterday but that never happened
[00:18] <samuel> i would have loved to of rooted my wildfire and put all kinds of crazy shit on there
[00:18] <stlsaint> samuel: !language
[00:18] <stlsaint> dang you bots
[00:18] <stlsaint> !language
[00:18] <ubot2`> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[00:19] <samuel> i bought it unlocked with an os upgrade already applied - there is no option to edit the bootloader options
[00:19] <stlsaint> samuel: we have a -team channel which is more relaxed (not much but more)
[00:19] <stlsaint> JackyAlcine: what ya packaging?
[00:19] <JackyAlcine> https://www.launchpad.net/speechcontrol
[00:19] <JackyAlcine> Trying to get it ready for the first release in March.
[00:19] <samuel> i almost responded to that with "hey looks like i caused a &%$
[00:20] <samuel> storm
[00:20] <JackyAlcine> lol
[00:20] <JackyAlcine> After that, I'm going to finish up https://www.launchpad.net/wintermute
[00:20] <JackyAlcine> SpeechControl's making like 5 packages, Wintermute's producing around 16, 17.
[00:20] <stlsaint> speechcontrol still kicking aye cool
[00:20] <stlsaint> nice
[00:20] <JackyAlcine> :D
[00:21] <JackyAlcine> Trying our best.
[00:21] <JackyAlcine> Funny enough, we're working on a patch for HUD (currently still local on my system) that uses it to search for text.
[00:21] <stlsaint> duanedesign: my old workhorse server will be back up in april...ill open up and let you test ya skills then lol
[00:21] <duanedesign> stlsaint: that reminds me I need to install xsh on my new'ish' laptop
[00:21] <duanedesign> zsh*
[00:22] <stlsaint> bgs100: YO YO YO
[00:22] <stlsaint> duanedesign: bodhi has a vicious conf for ya if you install it :D
[00:22]  * JackyAlcine gets the drinks.
[00:22] <samuel> really looking forward to giving HUD a bash, could be a huge efficiency boost for me at work
[00:22] <duanedesign> stlsaint: hopefully I have some skills by then
[00:23] <duanedesign> stlsaint:  i think that is where i got the one that is on my old laptop
[00:23] <stlsaint> duanedesign: probably, is there much me and you have on our computers that didn't come from bodhi one way or another?? lol
[00:23] <duanedesign> samuel: the latest update of HUD is much better then the first. I can actually imagine using it now
[00:23] <duanedesign> stlsaint: :)
[00:24] <duanedesign> my iptables..no wait...
[00:24] <stlsaint> lol exactly
[00:24] <stlsaint> duanedesign: vps...oh wait....
[00:24] <duanedesign> lol
[00:24] <duanedesign> you beat me to it
[00:25] <duanedesign> i finaly got my vps switched over to Debian from Ubuntu
[00:25] <stlsaint> duanedesign: oh nice
[00:25] <samuel> i usually jump on at beta 1 with my home/play pc or my laptop, it might be the deal breaker that moves me from GS
[00:25] <duanedesign> samuel: once I installed byobu i felt right at home
[00:25] <duanedesign> oops
[00:25] <stlsaint> duanedesign: im trying to figure out a way to pdf his entire site info lol...i asked him about it before and he gave me the go head
[00:25] <duanedesign> stlsaint: ^^
[00:25] <samuel> :P
[00:25] <duanedesign> stlsaint: he has a couple forum posts that are nice too
[00:26] <stlsaint> yep
[00:26] <stlsaint> i cant really utilitze all his stuff till i get my servers back up and trust me its breaking me off not having them runnign
[00:26] <samuel> speaking of which, how can i change the icon of a program that runs in sun jre?
[00:26] <stlsaint> running even
[00:26] <samuel> huh? speaking of what? omg
[00:27] <duanedesign> samuel: the icon that shows up in menus and docs?
[00:27] <samuel> yes! i know how to change the icon for regular programs, but java ones always show the lovely coffee cup in low res
[00:28] <duanedesign> ahh
[00:28] <samuel> its especially annoying in GS with the top bar
[00:28] <duanedesign> hmm, not sure
[00:28] <stlsaint> maybe something in /usr/share/icons/
[00:29] <stlsaint> stab in dark
[00:29] <samuel> with native applications it looks awesome but ones running in jre are bleurgh
[00:29] <samuel> hmm
[00:29] <duanedesign> stlsaint: found a cool program for my android phone called 'irssi ConnectBot'.  ConnectBot specially for ssh'ing into your server and connecting to irssi
[00:29] <samuel> isn't that for packaged applications though?
[00:30] <stlsaint> duanedesign: yea i saw that also, but again i have no server up running irssi
[00:32] <duanedesign> samuel: i found this on stack exchange. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/209812/how-do-i-change-the-default-application-icon-in-java
[00:32] <duanedesign> err, stack overflow
[00:34] <stlsaint> duanedesign: what phone you have? running ice cream sandwhich ?
[00:34] <samuel> thanks for the tip i will check it out
[00:35] <samuel> BTW laptop now up and running with ubuntu starting up SUPER fast vs windows 7, my mum will be pleased, she was worried she would be forced to use windows
[00:35] <duanedesign> awesome!
[00:35] <stlsaint> samuel: nice
[00:35] <stlsaint> duanedesign: pm
[00:37] <samuel> now watch me break it by installing the wrong catalyst drivers
[00:37] <samuel> LOL
[00:37] <samuel> done that once or twice with the AMD fusion machines at work - but that was when they were first released
[00:38] <samuel> cool fact; when the E450 was first released, for a good 3 months ATI had no supported drivers for linux OR windows available on their website
[00:38] <samuel> just when you think its safe to buy ATI
[10:40] <samuel> after running an update on a newly installed system, after the grub menu has gone, it seems to freeze at the ubuntu logo/splash, and this goes for the older kernel also. any idea's on how to figure this one out??
[11:27] <wij> hi, i have been trying to mount an external USB disk (ext4) and it finally worked but now i see two entries with the same name under devices in Nautilus.
[11:28] <wij> one is mounted and is the actual disk. the other one has the same name, but i can't access/delete/... it
[11:28] <wij> any suggestions?
[11:31] <wij> i think this problem is causing another: i can't access this usb drive anymore from my ethernet dvd/media player.
[11:31] <nothingspecial> how did you mount it wij
[11:31] <wij> with fstab
[11:31] <nothingspecial> what is the entry
[11:31] <nothingspecial> the line in fstab?
[11:31] <wij> UUID=a0774bde-c654-4da8-961f-e04393fdc220 /media/mybookext4 ext4 defaults,user 0 0
[11:33] <nothingspecial> And what if you unmount it and delete the entries from nautilus, then sudo mount -a
[11:33] <wij> even if i unmount it , the 'fake' device still appears in nautilus
[11:34] <nothingspecial> are you talking about the bookmarks bar on the left?
[11:35] <wij> yes, under 'Devices' there are two entries with the same name: with one i can access the drive, the other gives an error:    mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/mybookext4 busy
[11:35] <wij> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /media/mybookext4
[11:36] <nothingspecial> did you restart?
[11:37] <wij> euh, no not yet. will that change anything?
[11:38] <nothingspecial> well it depends, if you have been trying diferent stuff to mount it, it should clear everything up and just do it at boot with fstab
[11:39] <wij> ok let's try. i'll be back ;-)
[11:43] <wij> i'm back!
[11:44] <nothingspecial> and is it fixed?
[11:44] <wij> and the 'fake' entry is not gone after restart
[11:44] <wij> :-(
[11:44] <nothingspecial> booooo
[11:44] <nothingspecial> what else did you do to mount it?
[11:45] <wij> well, there it get's a bit foggy: i played around in fstab, but also had problems with the ownership of the disk. when using gksudo nautilus i do not see the 'fake' entry.
[11:46] <wij> is that an indication?
[11:46] <nothingspecial> no but there are some unmaintained gui fstab editors that are known to cause problems
[11:46] <wij> is just used gedit
[11:47] <nothingspecial> good, this means it is a setting in your nautilus config that is the problem
[11:47] <wij> ok, any reason why is doesn't appear as root
[11:47] <wij> in nautilus i mean
[11:48] <nothingspecial> because root doesn't have the stray setting
[11:48] <wij> ??
[11:48] <nothingspecial> it wouldn't be there in another users nautilus either
[11:48]  * nothingspecial looks for the nautilus settings
[11:49] <nothingspecial> are you using ubuntu 11.10
[11:49] <wij> yep
[11:49] <nothingspecial> hang on
[11:54] <nothingspecial> wij, have you tried, in the global menu to go bookmarks > edit bookmarks?
[11:54] <wij> no, i'm looking at it now
[11:55] <wij> cant see a bookmark to the drive though
[11:55] <nothingspecial> I'm struggling because I'm using Lubuntu right now.........
[11:57] <wij> no problem, nice of you for trying
[11:57]  * nothingspecial is still looking though
[11:57] <wij> another symptom that could help finding what's wrong is that I cannot access the disk over my lan
[11:58] <wij> i can access the PC it's connected to
[11:58] <wij> but not the USB disk itself
[11:59] <nothingspecial> seeing the same bug here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767644
[11:59] <wij> aha
[12:00] <wij> good one! i already formatted mine to ext4, but maybe that's not important
[12:01] <nothingspecial> You could try the last post and use /mnt instead of /media but I don't think that's the answer
[12:02] <wij> will try it though. is there an unmount -a command similar to mount -a?
[12:02] <nothingspecial> without the n
[12:02] <nothingspecial> sudo umount -a
[12:03] <nothingspecial> it will complain but will unmount your external
[12:03] <wij> i should clear the entry in gedit first
[12:03] <nothingspecial> no
[12:03] <nothingspecial> after
[12:03] <wij> ah, so first umount -a, then clear it in fstab, and then what?
[12:04] <nothingspecial> make a folder in /mnt
[12:04] <nothingspecial> /mnt/mybookext4
[12:04] <wij> i need to do that as root apparently
[12:04] <nothingspecial> then just change where it says /media/mybookext4
[12:04] <nothingspecial> sudo for umount
[12:05] <nothingspecial> sudo umount -a
[12:05] <nothingspecial> then gksudo gedit
[12:05] <wij> yes, and make a folder in mnt also as root
[12:05] <nothingspecial> sudo mkdir /mnt/mybookext4
[12:06] <nothingspecial> then change /media/mybookext4 for /mnt/mybookext4 in fstab
[12:06] <nothingspecial> but I don't think it is the answer
[12:06] <wij> should i also 'safely remove drive' after umount
[12:06] <nothingspecial> also remove user from the fstab line
[12:07] <nothingspecial> just defaults
[12:07] <nothingspecial> in the options
[12:07] <wij> ok, should i also 'safely remove drive' after umount
[12:07] <nothingspecial> also backup fstab
[12:07] <nothingspecial> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_bak
[12:08] <nothingspecial> if it is still mounted in nautilus
[12:08] <wij> it's not mounted, but visible as device
[12:09] <nothingspecial> make your line in fstab look like this
[12:09] <nothingspecial> UUID=a0774bde-c654-4da8-961f-e04393fdc220 /mnt/mybookext4 ext4 defaults 0 0
[12:10] <nothingspecial> Then restart
[12:10] <nothingspecial> but back up fstab first :)
[12:10] <wij> that's done
[12:11] <nothingspecial> and the folder /mnt/mybookext4 exists?
[12:11] <wij> yes. when saving the changes in fstab, but entries disappeared. so the fake is gone, but also the 'valid' one. i'll restart to see chat happens
[12:11] <wij> both iso but
[12:12] <nothingspecial> ok
[12:12] <wij> cu in a minute
[12:17] <wij> aaaand i'm back :-)
[12:17] <nothingspecial> wb wij
[12:17] <wij> the disk is still not visible in nautilus
[12:17] <wij> should i do a mount -a?
[12:17] <nothingspecial> it won't be, can you get to it through file system > mnt
[12:18] <wij> yes!
[12:18] <nothingspecial> ok cool
[12:19] <nothingspecial> now what's on it, do you want the contents to be accessible through your home folder?
[12:20] <wij> euh, don't know. i always had it accessible through the 'Devices' in nautilus
[12:20] <AJH101> hi - i am running 11.10 and my system keeps forgetting the wifi key - any ideas?
[12:21] <nothingspecial> wij, you could just add a bookmark
[12:21] <wij> indeed
[12:21] <nothingspecial> wij, also is the drive still read/write to you?
[12:22] <wij> yes, i just tried to copy a file in it and that worked. the permissions are set OK
[12:22] <wij> bu
[12:22] <wij> but
[12:22] <nothingspecial> AJH101, not off the top of my head but I'll have a look
[12:22] <wij> i still cannot access it through my network :-(
[12:23] <nothingspecial> wij, how are you accessing it?
[12:23] <wij> well, i have a dvd player with ethernet port, that has access to the pc to which the external drive is connected
[12:24] <wij> but i can't access the ext drive via the dvd player
[12:25] <nothingspecial> Is that the only network connection the pc has or does it have it's own connection?
[12:25] <wij> ii just got it to work ! it was a stupid access rights setting that was wrong
[12:26] <nothingspecial> \o/
[12:26] <wij> phew!
[12:26] <nothingspecial> so are you all fixed up now?
[12:26] <wij> just for my info nothingspecial:
[12:26] <nothingspecial> yep
[12:26] <wij> why can't i mount the drive? i can access itvia a bookmark, but i'ld like to now what's wrong. any idea?
[12:27] <nothingspecial> There is a bug mounting it a /media with the users option
[12:27] <nothingspecial> user
[12:27] <nothingspecial> nautilus shows drives mounted in /media but not in /mnt
[12:28] <wij> aha
[12:28] <wij> that explains it.
[12:28] <nothingspecial> it may work in /media without user
[12:28] <wij> anyways it works thanks to your help!! thanks a lot, nothingspecial!
[12:29] <nothingspecial> no problem :D
[12:30] <nothingspecial> AJH101, do you know your wireless card?
[12:31] <AJH101> sorry no
[12:32] <nothingspecial> AJH101, do you have this bug?
[12:32] <nothingspecial> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/877803
[12:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 877803 in network-manager "network-manager forgets wireless password after I cancel connection" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:32] <nothingspecial> lol
[12:50] <AJH101> nothingspecial: not sure. once connected it is fine but on starting it usually asks me to repeat the key
[13:25] <shashank> in installing ubuntu on my friend laptop install alongside window option is not coming.......and on creating partition it is not installing on that partition.....what to do????
[13:26] <hobgoblin> where did you create the partition? in windows or in the livecd - how many partitions does it have - has windows made them dynamic?
[13:27] <shashank> i have created partition in windows and it has only one single drive i.e C
[13:28] <hobgoblin> boot the livecd - run a terminal - this command   sudo fdisk -l  then pastebin it paste.ubuntu.com
[13:29] <hobgoblin> shashank: you can't create a suitable partition in windows - all you can do there is free some space
[13:29] <shashank> kk
[13:29] <hobgoblin> and if you created a partition there must be more than just c: ;)
[13:30] <hobgoblin> perhaps delete the partition you created and then leave the empty space - boot the livecd and see if it recognises it then
[13:30] <shashank> what is this pastebin ??
[13:31] <hobgoblin> somewhere to put information so we don't get pages and pages of lines of stuff if people paste directly into here
[13:31] <shashank> kk
[13:31] <hobgoblin> if for instance you pasted a log directly into here - it would upset a lot of people :)
[13:31] <shashank> haha...
[13:35] <shashank> for this installation which you told did i need internet connection??
[13:36] <hobgoblin> you should be able to install without
[13:36] <hobgoblin> long time since I installed without wired connection
[13:37] <shashank> kk
[13:44] <shashank> this installation will erase or not erase the windows????
[13:46] <shashank> after sudo fdisk -l what should i do???
[13:48] <hobgoblin> copy it to paste.ubuntu.com, put a name in the name box hit paste then give the new url you get
[13:48] <hobgoblin> I'll have a look - but I'm not really here at the moment
[13:50] <shashank> what commands should i use for this......
[13:50] <hobgoblin> for what?
[13:51] <shashank> after sudo fdisk -l it gives information of different partition
[13:51] <hobgoblin> copy it to paste.ubuntu.com, put a name in the name box hit paste then give the new url you get
[13:51] <shashank> and after that
[13:51] <hobgoblin> wait
[13:51] <hobgoblin> genupulas: you got some time to help someone install
[13:52] <hobgoblin> this is the scrollback genupulas http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/147301
[13:52] <hobgoblin> sorry shashank but I have to go now
[13:53] <shashank> okk thanks for your valuble help
[14:09] <shashank> http://paste.ubuntu.com/848579/
[14:15] <hobgoblin> shashank: that is why - you already have 4 partitions - nowhere for linux to install itself to - either consolidate some of the data and lose a partition or maybe use wubi and install inside windows
[15:22] <padmick> hi people how do u install libdvdcss2 on ubuntu 11.10?
[15:23] <padmick> would this work? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[15:24] <phillw> padmick: the usual way is to install the restricted-packages for your version.
[15:27] <phillw> padmick: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats has the full details (and an easy one click link)
[15:29] <padmick> thanks =)
[17:22] <kedarm> Hi! When I try to log in to my Ubuntu box and enter a wrong password, it takes a llllong time to come back. Where should I start looking to diagnose this problem?
[17:24] <kedarm> It eventually does come back and give me the login window, but it really sits there verifying the password ...
[20:36] <Bahaman> Hi
[20:39] <JackyAlcine> Hey Bahaman
[20:42] <Bahaman> This is nice :-)
[20:42] <JackyAlcine> The system?
[20:42] <JackyAlcine> It's what happens when users get together and build something together :)
[20:45] <Bahaman> Yes :-)
[20:46] <Bahaman> I just installed Ubuntu yesterday and today I managed to install irssi
[20:46] <Bahaman> Was a bit difficult but I guess I made it :P
[21:57] <Bahaman> Hi people :)
[21:58]  * JackyAlcine_ checks the time.
[21:58] <JackyAlcine_> Ah, so you are repeating yourself :P
[22:00] <Bahaman> haha
[22:00] <Bahaman> I just wanted to make sure it works
[22:00] <Bahaman> It's all so new for me
[22:01] <Bahaman> May I ask what information is displayed when you use /whois bahaman
[22:01] <Bahaman> It seems like the mode +x is disable on freenode and instead there are 'cloaks'.
[22:02] <pleia2> Bahaman: right, you can as for an unaffiliated cloak in #freenode
[22:03] <Bahaman> Okay thanks will do. Now that I got your attention, why is your name in yellow? :D
[22:04] <pleia2> because I said your name
[22:04] <Bahaman> How fancy :)!
[22:04] <Bahaman> Any recommended themes?
[22:05] <pleia2> what are you using?
[22:05] <pleia2> oh, irssi
[22:05] <pleia2> I wrote my own theme
[22:06] <Bahaman> Okay :)
[22:07] <Bahaman> May I ask what it's written in?
[22:07] <pleia2> it's just a config file
[22:07] <pleia2> both themes I use are at the bottom of this page: http://princessleia.com/irssietc.php
[22:09] <Bahaman> Cool :)


[05:53] <alkisg> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ seems down, should users report such issues, and where?
[05:55] <wgrant> alkisg: That's not a Launchpad service, so #canonical-sysadmin is appropriate. But that outage is known, but it could be a couple of days until it's fixed.
[05:57] <alkisg> Thank you wgrant
[10:50] <morphis_> cjwatson: would it be possible that we get quilt installed on the launchpad snap builders?
[10:51] <morphis_> cjwatson: now that external git repo access is possible that seems to be the last thing preventing our snaps to build successfully
[10:51] <morphis_> cjwatson: see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/253596978/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_network-manager_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:55] <cjwatson> morphis_: build-packages: [quilt]
[10:55] <cjwatson> in the relevant part
[10:55] <morphis_> ah, right .. totally forgot about that small thing :-)
[10:56] <morphis_> cjwatson: thanks ..
[10:56] <cjwatson> np
[11:00] <morphis_> cjwatson: as I see it in the options, arm builds are supposed to work too?
[12:08] <cjwatson> morphis_: They aren't enabled by default, but you can use "Change details" on the snap to enable them.
[12:40] <morphis_> cjwatson: great
[12:54] <morphis_> cjwatson: looks like there are still some problems with the proxy allowing external connections: getting 'git.kernel.org: Name or service not known' in a snap build
[12:55] <wgrant> morphis_: DNS resolution won't work unless the request goes through the proxy. Launchpad sets appropriate http_proxy environment variables, but it's up to snapcraft and your build process to respect them.
[12:56] <morphis_> hm
[12:57] <cjwatson> I don't see the error you're talking about in https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+snap/network-manager either, but perhaps it's somewhere else.
[12:57] <morphis_> cjwatson, wgrant: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/253610516/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_bluez_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:58] <cjwatson> morphis_: Use https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/bluetooth/bluez.git rather than git://
[12:58] <cjwatson> git:// isn't proxied
[12:59] <morphis_> cjwatson: I see
[13:10] <morphis_> cjwatson: so, yeah switching to http works
[13:23] <cjwatson> good


[00:43] <fcorrea> hello everyone. I'm running juju 1.24.2 here and I'm getting this upon bootstrap with the local provider: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11890609/
[00:43] <fcorrea> anyone seen it?
[00:44] <fcorrea> that's syslog fwiw
[03:37] <thomi> can anyone suggest a charm that requires mongodb and uses charmhelpers? I'm hoping to steal..err.. learn from another charm to see what I need to do to
[03:39] <thomi> more specifically, it's not clear to me how to adapt the example at http://pythonhosted.org/charmhelpers/examples/services.html#service-definitions-overview to something other than mysql. How do I know what  keys the 'mongodb' relation has?
[12:25] <coreycb> gnuoy, jamespage: hey, could I get a review of this?  it's tiny.  https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/neutron-db-manage/+merge/265065
[12:27] <gnuoy> coreycb, lgtm, I'll land
[12:27] <coreycb> gnuoy, thanks!
[13:13] <marcoceppi> fcorrea: could you paste the output from /var/log/upstart/juju-*
[13:13] <marcoceppi> actually, bleh, that won't work, you're using systemd. I have no idea where those init jobs log to. But if you do, that's what would be interesting for us
[13:15] <fcorrea> marcoceppi, I ended up giving up after I found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1450092
[13:15] <mup> Bug #1450092: juju fails to bootstrap with vivid and upstart <systemd> <upstart> <vivid> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.24:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450092>
[13:16] <fcorrea> marcoceppi, it's seems it will be fixed in 1.25 and not in 1.24 so might as well just use some other substract
[14:06] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: ta for the review on the docker charm!
[14:06] <lazyPower> how did the new testing structure work out for you? I moved it to tox in the hopes it would be way more consistent
[14:08] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: ran it with charmbox + bundletester, worked fine
[14:10] <lazyPower> solid


[22:18] <wafflejock> Griffin: http://www.sfml-dev.org/tutorials/2.0/start-linux.php
[22:19] <wafflejock> linman32: are you the one who installed gdm and it started working or the other guy?
[22:19] <Griffin> the other guy, right now i am laughing at myself  lol :P
[22:19] <linman32> wafflejock: maybe other guy. think installed xubuntu.
[22:20] <Griffin> anyways thanks for pointing it :)
[22:20] <wafflejock> hehe no problem yeah it all gets fuzzy in here so many similar problems
[22:21] <inder_gt> hey guys, is there a good resource to learn about ubuntu indicator development?
[22:21] <linman32> wafflejock: the lock screen won't let me in after 10 or so locks. can't type in password field b/c there is none
[22:22] <Bashing-om> Griffin: ^^ "libsfml-doc - Simple and Fast Multimedia Library - Documentation" ya want to read it ? -> sudo apt-get install libsfml-doc<- that readme should then ve located in '/user/share/doc/' .
[22:22] <wafflejock> linman32: k yeah I recall a bit now, so you're okay most of the time but after 10 or so locks the system was acting wonky? is that right?
[22:22] <wafflejock> inder_gt: google turned this up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators probably good to know which environment you're targetting they probably vary
[22:23] <inder_gt> thanks for the linke wafflejock, i already saw that one, but is there an actual api doc or anything like that for this?
[22:23] <inder_gt> link*
[22:24] <linman32> wafflejock: yes. 2nd to last: lock will only ask for password on one screen. system acts wonky; last lock screen: won't let me in at all
[22:25] <linman32> wafflejock: acts wonky by not being able to find applications easily. takes minutes to open word document, etc
[22:25] <yeukhon> how do i find the shell script that was used to make nginx for 12.04?
[22:26] <rypervenche> yeukhon: Shell script?
[22:26] <yeukhon> rypervenche:  well the commands used to compile the nginx package
[22:26] <wafflejock> linman32: yeah when it's in that locking up state would be good to check out the system monitor and see what process is going crazy
[22:26] <yeukhon> i've my own command but not working very well. i would like to find the one debian / ubuntu is using
[22:27] <wafflejock> yeukhon: you can grab the source using apt-get source packagename then see if they include build instructions in the README
[22:27] <yeukhon> wafflejock:  okay let me try that
[22:27] <wafflejock> inder_gt: yeah dunno
[22:27] <rypervenche> yeukhon: There isn't a script that is run. I would use the source deb package and make the changes that you need there then build it.
[22:28] <linman32> wafflejock: first glance trying that, nothing seemed to stand out. after i killed gnome, it logged me out and starting working fine agian
[22:31] <wafflejock> linman32: yeah not sure would need to start looking at logs, you can pastebin your dmesg output, or do cat /var/log/syslog and see if anything stands out
[22:31] <yeukhon> ah i see so the source that was downaloded via apt-get source is the exact source used to compile. now i just need to try
[22:31] <yeukhon> brb
[22:31] <wafflejock> yeukhon: yup gl
[22:32] <sajan_> wafflejock,
[22:35] <yeukhon> wafflejock:  thanks i extracted the debian.tar.gz and found rules fille
[22:35] <yeukhon> i think that's the one i've to edit to recompile
[22:35] <yeukhon> adding additional modules
[22:36] <wafflejock> yeukhon: cool yeah haven't played with ngnix myself just apache and lucily most everything I've needed I just had to enable a module here or there
[22:36] <wafflejock> luckily*
[22:36] <yeukhon> :))
[22:36] <yeukhon> i hope it works. i will let ya know. sounds good. glad i came here first
[22:37] <wafflejock> I've tried to compile apache before and it worked but was on a 200MHz Sparc processor with 256MB of RAM so it took like a day or two
[22:37] <wafflejock> not my favorite time :|
[22:37] <wafflejock> but yeah let me know how it goes
[22:37] <yeukhon> oh i remember those machines. when i was in high school school would dump a dozen of them every year.
[22:37] <yeukhon> :)
[22:37] <linman32> wafflejock: http://pastebin.com/mdHcu0dt
[22:38] <wafflejock> yeah I got one as a NAS here, it's kinda terrible but it does do the job of mirroring data so I keep it
[22:38] <yeukhon> that was ubuntu 8.04 era…  anyhow
[22:38] <wafflejock> yeukhon: it's running debian Sarge some old version
[22:39] <vagrant_> exit
[22:39] <wafflejock> linman32: well looks like some postfix config problems but that shouldn't be causing the system to lock up just some undeliverable mails
[22:40] <wafflejock> linman32: can install pastebinit to make it easier to share stuff, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[22:40] <sajan> wafflejock,
[22:41] <linman32> wafflejock: it is installed now
[22:42] <havarka> hi, http://pastebin.com/2BxTTn0H, does this mean that my 2.5GHZ processor only runs on 1.4 ghz?
[22:43] <Glycan> I'm using lubuntu - LXDE with OpenBox. C-F is bound to xterm, how can I fix this?
[22:43] <wafflejock> linman32: dmesg | pastebinit
[22:43] <wafflejock> linman32: and, cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[22:43] <wafflejock> por flavor
[22:44] <linman32> wafflejock: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8135205/
[22:44] <linman32> wafflejock: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8135207/
[22:45] <wafflejock> havarka: http://serverfault.com/questions/465794/understanding-cpu-related-output-displayed-by-lshw
[22:45] <havarka> wafflejock, thx bro
[22:46] <wafflejock> havarka: np
[22:51] <blackphenix> hey
[22:52] <synthetik> yo
[22:56] <wafflejock> linman32: thanks, digging through these some but first couple of things I tried looking into don't seem to be real problems any more details on when this started happening, post upgrade? clean install?
[22:56] <aib> my apt-get/aptitude is stuck Waiting for headers... how can I see which server it's waiting on ?
[22:57] <odd_nob> hey commandline people, why does it take so long to learn stuff?
[22:58] <Guest60343> because there is so much you can do
[22:58] <wafflejock> odd_nob: sounds like a personal problem :), really though there's just a lot to know, and the more you know the more you realize what there is to know
[22:58] <odd_nob> I mean, I caught myself devoting the whole day on reading documentation and it's still as if I'm nowhere.
[22:59] <wafflejock> odd_nob: you just have to use it I think (at least true for me) the more I do the more I learn
[22:59] <wafflejock> hanging around this chat helps too
[23:00] <Bashing-om> odd_nob: A day ? I have spent 50 years reading documentation. and I am still doing catch up !
[23:00] <wafflejock> haha
[23:00] <odd_nob> wafflejock: but aren't you afraid of breaking stuff when just trying stuff out?
[23:00] <Che_Guevara> it is because you have to read alot . what i did i am just using one theoretical system where you print all the info and then roll it into small rolls and stik it up you stay overnight and walla!
[23:00] <Che_Guevara> you know everything
[23:00] <wafflejock> odd_nob: it's good to use virtual machines when you feel you mightbreak everything
[23:01] <wafflejock> odd_nob: you get comfortable eventually
[23:01] <wafflejock> odd_nob: nice thing about VMs is you can duplicate them before you do something stupid to them and you don't have to panic when you kill the VM
[23:02] <odd_nob> wafflejock: what VM are you using?
[23:02] <wafflejock> odd_nob: I did a setup video here for people looking to get into web-dev on how to install Ubuntu in a VirtualBox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNbsCTFrAA
[23:02] <odd_nob> ah I guess that answered it there for me :p
[23:03] <linman32> wafflejock: thanks. i upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04. then had to reinstall 14.04. i think after the reinstall/install of 14.04 it started failing
[23:04] <yofun> so... im not show how to explain this, on the ubuntu flash screen theres a message saying something like this "mount point "x" is not ready or found S to skip or M for manual" how do I remove these auto mounts? They are incorrect
[23:06] <cynicallemon> yofun: check your /etc/fstab file
[23:06] <Bashing-om> yofun: terminal commands -> sudo fdisk -lu . sudo blkid . cat /ect/fstab <- make sure all UUID's agree.
[23:07] <yofun> Alright, so Its trying to mount like my USB port and windows, how do I remove those auto mounts?
[23:08] <Beldar> yofun, Is windows on the internal HD?
[23:08] <yofun> Beldar: no
[23:08] <Beldar> yofun, So all on the usb?
[23:08] <yofun> no on hard drive
[23:09] <Beldar> yofun, Which one?
[23:09] <yofun> /dev/sda8
[23:09] <Beldar> and where is it?
[23:09]  * cynicallemon now confused
[23:09] <Beldar> yofun, which is an internal HD right?
[23:09] <yofun> None...
[23:09] <yofun> Windows and ubuntu are on different tables.
[23:10] <Beldar> yofun, Do you know the difference between and internal and external HD?
[23:10] <yofun> Eariler I was messing around with a few things, and now it trys to auto mount upon start up
[23:10] <yofun> Yes..... BOTH systems are on my hard drive.
[23:10] <freeland> slt tout le monde es lustres que je n est pas utilisé l irc pour changer de chanel c est par ou ?
[23:10] <Beldar> yofun, Inside the computer correct?
[23:10] <yofun> Yes....
[23:10] <Beldar> yofun, That is internal.
[23:11] <popey> !fr | freeland
[23:11] <yofun> doh.. I know this
[23:11] <yofun> Im asking how do I remove the auto mounts?
[23:11] <freeland> merci :)
[23:11] <popey> freeland: ☻
[23:11] <yofun> And its trying to mount a USB port. that isnt filled
[23:12] <popey> yofun: what if you go to system settings -> details -> Removable media and tick "never promt or start programs on media insertion" ?
[23:12] <Beldar> yofun, open fstab gksudo gedit /etc/fstab and if you have the sda8 there check the uuid's with sudo blkid comment it out with a #
[23:14] <yofun> Alright let restart and test it out.
[23:20]  * Beldar notes the irc is like the abbot and costello who's on first joke at times
[23:20] <yofun> Perfect
[23:24] <Beldar> yofun, hits one over the fence and crosses home.
[23:24] <wafflejock> linman32: have you tried with any other DE like using xubuntu packages instead of Gnome?
[23:25] <wafflejock> linman32: sorry can't see anything in the log that is obvious
[23:26] <cimbakahn> Any ubuntu developers in the room?
[23:27] <wafflejock> linman32: looks like lots of these nl_recvmsgs errors some bluetooth failures and postman config problems but nothing that points to a system lock up
[23:27] <odd_nob> wafflejock: I enjoyed that video, I don't have time to watch it all, but from what I've seen it's pretty in-depth.
[23:27] <wafflejock> cimbakahn: I'm a developer who uses Ubuntu :) not sure about ubuntu devs in the room though
[23:28] <odd_nob> I hope I'm soon to be a developer :)
[23:28] <wafflejock> odd_nob: cool glad you find it useful, know it was long it's a common complaint if I do more tut vidoes in the future I'll try to make them more bit sized
[23:28] <cimbakahn> I am on Linuxmint 17 Qiana Xfce.  minetest 0.4.10 was released.  Do you think they can update it in Synaptic?  Also pcsxr 1.9.93 was released.  Do you think they can update it in Synaptic?
[23:28] <cocorito> ciao
[23:28] <wafflejock> bite*
[23:28] <odd_nob> wafflejock: no it's ok, just make sure you divide it into either smaller videos or just add timestamps like you did with this video
[23:29] <cimbakahn> I was told by the Linuxmint channel that i had to ask here.
[23:32] <rww> cimbakahn: minetest 0.4.10 is in Ubuntu Utopic (not released yet), so whichever version of Mint takes packages from Utopic (or higher) will include it
[23:33] <wafflejock> Utopic is 14.10?
[23:33] <rww> wafflejock: yes
[23:33] <rww> cimbakahn: pcsxr 1.9.93 is not yet in Ubuntu or Debian. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739947 for details
[23:34] <cimbakahn> Do you mean ubuntu's new version us goin to be called Utopic?
[23:34] <rww> cimbakahn: no, Utopic is the development codename for the release that will presumably be called 14.10
[23:34] <cimbakahn> ooing
[23:34] <cimbakahn> going
[23:35] <rww> Incidentally, this is all in packages.ubuntu.com and packages.debian.org, which one would expect the creators of derivatives to be familiar with, but I guess Mint's support channel is not.
[23:37] <cimbakahn> So, you are saying the new minetest will be included in Utopic, but you are not sure about pcsxr?
[23:37] <rww> cimbakahn: Correct about minetest. pcsxr will not be updated in Ubuntu until it's updated in Debian. It has not yet been updated in Debian for the reason discussed in the bug report I linked.
[23:39] <rww> (And it's unlikely to be in Utopic regardless of when it's updated in Debian)
[23:40] <cimbakahn> Ok, TYVM!  i Appreciate a straight foreward answer.
[23:42] <cimbakahn> Bye!
[23:43] <kuldd> hi
[23:43]  * wafflejock you say goodbye and I say hello
[23:43] <eeee> wafflejock: beatles ? :D
[23:43] <wafflejock> hehe yup tune just popped in my head
[23:44] <wafflejock> hello kuldd
[23:44] <netlar> I love working in the dash, but I do feel like I am not making the most of it.  Is there a resource or tutorial I can use to become an expert?
[23:44] <wafflejock> netlar:  you mean in the terminal or in the dash? I didn't know you could work in the dash aside from launching things (I'm fairly Unity ignorant though)
[23:45] <OerHeks> good start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[23:45] <netlar> In the dash, anyone else? lol
[23:45] <kuldd> I have windows 7. I want to install unbuntu from windows and once installed it would give me at the boot time a option to boot from either. I do not want to create multiple partition. I've downloaded iso is that the right version?
[23:45] <netlar> Not the terminal
[23:46] <wafflejock> netlar: what do you want to do from the dash? also what can you do from the dash?
[23:46] <cynicallemon> kuldd: you will need multiple partitions anyway
[23:46] <kuldd> okay can you tell me how to do it
[23:46] <wafflejock> kuldd: the installer will walk you through the process
[23:47] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
[23:47] <netlar> wafflejock: lots of searching, apps, files, pictures
[23:47] <kuldd> if I want to deinstall ubuntu then will i be just doing it from ubuntu
[23:47] <kuldd> from windows i mean
[23:47] <netlar> Goodness nevermind
[23:47] <wafflejock> netlar: that's all the dash is meant to do from what I understand
[23:47] <netlar> No one knows what I mean by Dash?
[23:48] <wafflejock> netlar: well you just don't use it for anything from searching... we're talking https://www.google.com/search?q=unity+dash&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&imgil=afNyQ2jlBeZ3sM%253A%253BvMISltJ0V20qTM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.omgubuntu.co.uk%25252F2011%25252F03%25252Fa-gnome-menu-style-unity-dash&source=iu&usg=__xLjxGuupJkVVpm3YohCVy2px_Jg%3D&sa=X&ei=wnn6U5nuMNXkoATgxYBQ&ved=0CCgQ9QEwAw&biw=1920&bih=992
[23:48] <wafflejock> sorry huge URL
[23:48] <netlar> wafflejock: yes thta is it
[23:49] <redwalk> Dash is a shell like Bash
[23:49] <wafflejock> netlar: yeah there's nothing advanced to it aside from some preferences you can change from what I've seen
[23:49] <OerHeks> netlar, i think you want Bash scripting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BashScripting
[23:49] <wafflejock> redwalk: Dash is also the term I've seen used for the Unity launcher start menu search screen... maybe there's a more appropriate name
[23:49] <Bashing-om> kuldd: There used to be "WUBI" that is no longer supported. Sounds like what you had in mind . But, No Longer Supported .
[23:49] <redwalk> true
[23:49] <wafflejock> actually didn't know about the terminal Dash though so good to know
[23:50] <netlar> Bash Dash, oh well guess there is no differce
[23:50] <OerHeks> netlar,  that would be lesson 1
[23:50] <kuldd> Bashin-om, (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2142325/install-ubuntu-and-keep-windows.html) - i was looking at option number 2 in this site.
[23:50] <netlar> Dude, not talking about working in terminal
[23:51] <netlar> Not command line , in the gui desktop I am talking about
[23:52] <cynicallemon> kuldd: or option 3, download virtualbox and run ubuntu as a virtual machine inside win7
[23:53] <kuldd> are you saying option 2 is no longer supported or an option
[23:53] <Bashing-om> kuldd: Yup, option 2 is WUBI ... As advised, no longer has support. ( but can be done in Windows 7, but still - no support ) .
[23:53] <eeee> netlar: if you right click on something in the dash it'll give you more information, dunno if you already know that though
[23:54] <netlar> eeee: yes, did know that, I did have a question about the filters
[23:54] <wafflejock> kuldd: the windows based installer (wubi) is what they say support has been dropped for, during the regular install it should still show you that windows is installed and show a suggested partitioning
[23:54] <netlar> eeee: I select different ones, but when I go back to the dash they are not selected still
[23:54] <kuldd> would it delete my existing windows or files
[23:55] <wafflejock> kuldd: no not if it detects windows and shows you that it's repartitioning it will just use empty space to create a new partition for Linux, that said if you're completely new to Linux you might want to just try it out in VirtualBox first to avoid modifying your system in any serious way
[23:56] <wafflejock> kuldd: if you find you like it and want to install as a bootable option to have it perform better then you can setup the dual boot option
[23:56] <netlar> Nevermind, think I just figured that out
[23:57] <wafflejock> kuldd: first 20 minutes or so of this video walks through doing the install in virtualbox from scratch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNbsCTFrAA if you want to give that a shot first
[23:57] <kuldd> ok thanks
[23:57] <wafflejock> kuldd: I typically install various distros in VirtualBox just to see how various projects are coming along, np
[23:57] <wafflejock> and got my Windows 8 in there when I need it
[23:57] <netlar> eeee: Like I see a filter for manpages
[23:58] <netlar> and code
[23:59] <netlar> Also I would be helpfull to know about the sources and what categories it uses


[09:43] <max12345> hey all, the automatic dist upgrade notification just popped up again... it doesn't work, is that a known issue, where would I file that as a bug?
[09:44] <max12345> just the regular https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs ? because I think there may be a good chance it's working on pure ubuntu.
[10:23] <tomreyn> !bug | max12345: you need to file bugs against the 'source package'.
[11:06] <JackFrost> Curious, from which version to which version?  What does /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades say?
[12:55] <max12345> wow, another clever site that identifies by username and not email
[12:55] <max12345> (launchpad) ah well...
[12:57] <tomreyn> you mean the one where it says "Please type your email:" on the login screen?
[12:58] <JackFrost> Though the link is launchpad.net/~tomreyn
[12:58] <tomreyn> ?
[12:59] <max12345> no usernames have to be unique on launchpad
[12:59] <max12345> because it's 1999 and we can't handle having two people identifying as "max"
[13:00] <JackFrost> tomreyn: You login via your email, but your username is still without the TLD, he seems to want the TLD included so you can have<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as your identifier.
[13:02] <tomreyn> i see. well, uanchpad isn't too young, and SSO is complex, i never had to set one up thankfully and thus won't comment on how it should be done.
[13:02] <tomreyn> *launchpad
[13:02] <JackFrost> I'm glad we get proper usernames.
[13:03] <tomreyn> and that we don't get spammed since our e-mail addresses are not as easily harvested as on other sites.
[13:04] <JackFrost> Meh, if you contribute to Debian your email gets archived in so many emails and 3rd party list viewers it doesn't matter. :3
[13:04] <max12345> anyway, I filed the bug but now launchpad says it timed out
[13:04] <max12345> so is the bug report saved or do I have to resubmit it?
[13:05] <tomreyn> on modern web browsers you'll just reload the pag and it'll re-submit
[13:05] <max12345> yep, that times out again.
[13:06] <tomreyn> :-/ there's #launchpad then
[13:06] <max12345> hm.
[13:06] <max12345> worth a shot I suppose
[13:06] <tomreyn> you can also start web developer extensions and get a copy of what you submitted that way
[13:07] <tomreyn> or maybe go back in the browser, copy you input, save it to a file, reaload the bug submission form, copy -> paste  it there and submit again
[13:07] <tomreyn> were you using "ubuntu-bug" though?
[13:08] <max12345> yep
[13:08] <tomreyn> is there a unique id on the url, yet?
[13:08] <max12345> there is an error id for the timeout yes
[13:08] <max12345> I think that's in the url
[13:09] <max12345> ah no it's different but there is something that could be an id in the url
[13:09] <tomreyn> an "oops"?
[13:09] <tomreyn> i mean, what's the url parameter name?
[13:10] <tomreyn> you don't need to share the value
[13:10] <max12345> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+filebug/ ...and then an id
[13:11] <tomreyn> ah ok so it's not created, yet, just debug data was uploaded
[13:12] <max12345> ah ok now it gave me a proper error
[13:12] <max12345> ok...
[13:16] <max12345> now it's timing out again...
[13:19] <max12345> yay done.
[13:20] <max12345> thanks
[13:20] <max12345> let's hope it helps...
[13:22] <tomreyn> do you have SHELL=/bin/fish set system wide or just for your user?
[13:23] <max12345> I actually don't know
[13:23] <tomreyn> i'm surprised "DpkgHistoryLog.txt" and "DpkgTerminalLog.txt" came back empty
[13:23] <tomreyn> generally you'll get a better chance of support when a release is not very close to end of life
[13:28] <max12345> hm we'll see. If I have to I will just file it again...
[13:31] <tomreyn> i think your best way forward is to upgrade soon, then see whether it's still present
[13:32] <max12345> I mean the upgrade doesn't work so I'll have to wipe the system again?
[13:32] <tomreyn> how does the upgrade not work?
[13:33] <tomreyn> !upgrade
[13:38] <max12345> I tried to use update-manager -d and it just said everything is up to date
[13:40] <max12345> there was a distupgrade command iirc? let me see what that says...
[13:41] <max12345> ... literally nothing. 0 upgraded, 0 not upgraded.
[13:43] <xubuntu57w> Hi there guys. I want to rebind scroll click and right click in my mouse to keyboard keys, but can't find a simple app to do that. Any ideas?
[13:43] <xubuntu57w> It is for a Flash game that I play.
[13:44] <max12345> tomreyn: ah, trying to do it with update-manager and clicking upgrade says it can't find a value for SHELL in /etc/shells
[13:47] <Kumool> xubuntu57w: theres a way, let me see if I can find the command
[13:47] <Kumool> its a default one by xorg
[13:49] <Kumool> xubuntu57w: xinput --set-button-map
[13:50] <Kumool> you will need to remap the entire device
[13:50] <xubuntu57w> I feel kinda lost. What am I supposed to do from there on?
[13:50] <Kumool> xubuntu57w: xinput list --long to see everything
[13:50] <xubuntu57w> Find my device's id?
[13:50] <Kumool> yes
[13:52] <xubuntu57w> I found it, it is named Bluetooth Mouse, which is the Microsoft BT mouse that I have.
[13:52] <Kumool> :)
[13:53] <Kumool> I can only point you in the direction, I have not done it, so
[13:53] <xubuntu57w> ID is 18, I assume it is static, right?
[13:53]  * Kumool shrugs
[13:54] <Kumool> if it isn't you can make a script in xinit that can run the rebinding command each time you start the PC
[13:55] <Kumool> or there's probably a configuration file somewhere
[13:55] <xubuntu57w> Hmm, I'd settle with something executable that would last for that session. Even better, to only work while X app window is selected or smt, but that's more complicated.
[13:55] <Kumool> not necessarily
[13:55] <Kumool> you just make a wrapper
[13:56] <Kumool> runapp.sh is actually    rebinding.sh;app;unbind.sh
[13:56] <Kumool> and launch the app using runapp.sh
[13:56] <Kumool> mm its a flashgame...
[13:57] <Kumool> well, you can set a profile just for that game, open chromium with another profile
[13:58] <Kumool> its what I do with firefox for private sessions
[13:58] <Kumool> and netflix, because running widedevine will crash my computer
[14:22] <xubuntu57w> I use Flash Projector.
[14:22] <xubuntu57w> It's way lighter compared to Firefox.
[14:22] <Kumool> ah
[14:22] <Kumool> maybe I'll give it a go
[14:22] <Kumool> (
[14:22] <Kumool> I wont)
[14:23] <xubuntu57w> So I'll just need xinit to revind the keys, right?
[14:32] <Kumool> no
[14:32] <Kumool> just xinput
[14:32] <Kumool> just make a wrapper around flash projector and rebind when you start it
[14:33] <Kumool> it would be nice to only bind to the app, but :S
[14:33] <Kumool> that's beyond me
[14:56] <xubuntu57w> Oh man, I'm confused on how do to it exactly.
[14:56] <xubuntu57w> I can only find info about swapping buttons.
[19:37] <xubuntu60w> Hi
[19:37] <xubuntu60w> I have installed xubuntu-desktop on raspberry pi
[19:37] <xubuntu60w> what command should I run to boot the GUI
[19:39] <diogenes_> startxfce4
[22:11] <JackFrost> For best results, in my ~/.xinitrc I have: export DESKTOP_SESSION=xubuntu\nexport XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=xubuntu\n. /etc/X11/Xsession\nstartxfce4
[22:22] <xubuntu60w> I don't see startxfce4 in my system
[22:23] <xubuntu60w> I have installed xubuntu-desktop
[22:23] <xubuntu60w> also Xorg
[22:24] <JackFrost> xubuntu-desktop depends on xfce4-session, which provides that.


[15:53] <slickymaster> ok Unit193, thanks for the heads-up. I'll start fixing the appendix-packages.html and the ents
[16:01] <bluesabre> I'll work on the seed and meta package tonight so that its ready before the next meeting
[16:01] <krytarik> slickymaster: For that matter, the only other place where those previous default apps appear is guide-default-apps.xml.
[16:20] <slickymaster> sorry krytarik, was in a hangout
[16:20] <krytarik> Fancy. :)
[16:20] <slickymaster> yeah, it's a hobgoblin idea
[16:20] <slickymaster> for us at teh FC
[16:20] <krytarik> lol
[16:21] <slickymaster> but as I have a louse webcam almost barely recognised by xubuntu I'm only able to hear and be heard
[16:21] <slickymaster> they can't see me
[16:21] <slickymaster> s/louse/lousy
[16:21] <krytarik> Lucky you. :P
[16:22] <slickymaster> :)
[16:33] <Unit193> slickymaster: Alrighty-o.
[16:56] <slickymaster> Unit193, I'll remove Abiword and Gnumeric from appendix-packages but we still don't have a final decision of what we're going to had from LO
[17:04] <slickymaster> another thing Unit193, what's the ordering logic behind Application table section, if any?
[17:12] <krytarik> slickymaster: Seems to be by package name, then friendly name.
[17:15] <slickymaster> yerah krytarik, figured it out in the meantime
[17:15] <slickymaster> but thanks anyway ;)
[17:16] <slickymaster> Unit193, there's also the issue with Gimp replacement, a decision hasn't been made yet
[17:16] <krytarik> slickymaster: And maybe we should just refer to LibreOffice as a whole there.
[17:16] <slickymaster> there, where? krytarik
[17:17] <krytarik> There won't be any replacement for Gimp for the time being.
[17:17] <krytarik> slickymaster: That table, plus guide-default-apps.xml.
[17:18] <slickymaster> not so sure about that krytarik, at least I don't remember us taking any final decisions concerning it
[17:18] <krytarik> We couldn't come up with a viable replacement, but decided to drop Gimp regardless.
[17:20] <slickymaster> yes, that I remember krytarik, what I'm not so sure is if it was a closed deal, to not add a replacement to the seed
[17:21] <slickymaster> the same goes for which package of LO we'll be seeding, besides Wirter and Calc
[17:22] <slickymaster> Draw was one possibility
[17:22] <slickymaster> iirc
[17:22] <krytarik> Yep, the latter has to be figured out and decided still.
[17:24] <slickymaster> I'm just going to edit those parts that relate to Abiword/Writer and Gnuimeric/Calc and remove Gimp from guide-default-apps and correct the entities file
[17:30] <slickymaster> ochosi ^^
[17:36] <elfy> slickymaster: from the m,eeting logs and the following m/l votes - appears to be a tie completely
[17:36] <elfy> that's 3/3/3 for/against/abstain
[17:40] <slickymaster> yeah, that's my point, a final decision has yet to be taken
[17:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: Important changes?
[17:41] <elfy> well, assuming those figures are right - we shouldn't drop it
[17:42] <slickymaster> yeah droping it just for the sake of it and not providing a replacment wouldn't be a good move
[17:42] <elfy> well
[17:42] <krytarik> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010707.html
[17:43] <Unit193> There is no good replacement, so it'd just be dropping.
[17:43] <Unit193> Images are oversized now.
[17:43] <elfy> krytarik: thanks - I remember seeing that now
[17:43] <slickymaster> I wouldn't we provid Draw also
[17:43] <elfy> Unit193: in regard to what - some random number that was decided cycles ago?
[17:44] <Unit193> Nah, not really useful.
[17:44] <slickymaster> why we, not Iwouldn't
[17:44] <Unit193> elfy: Not random, but yeah.
[17:44] <elfy> it's random now :p
[17:45] <slickymaster> are you telling that it's final and we won't be shipping any sort of a graphics solution?
[17:45] <elfy> looks that way
[17:45] <slickymaster> and only Writer and Calc from LO?
[17:46] <Unit193> TBD.
[17:46] <slickymaster> !? what's TBD?!  Pushed up to revision 382
[18:28] <slickymaster> want to check it?
[18:29] <krytarik> Sure.
[18:37] <krytarik> slickymaster: Looks fine to me - however, I'd refer there to the actual, full names of the apps displayed in the menus, i.e. "LibreOffice Calc", "LibreOffice Writer", and the likes.
[18:38] <slickymaster> you mean in the guide-default-apps?
[18:39] <krytarik> The app table, and there, yes.
[18:39]  * slickymaster will try not forget to correct them to the full names, after dinner
[18:39] <slickymaster> ;)
[18:41] <krytarik> But the list can grow long if we decide to include some other parts of LO as well. :P
[18:41] <elfy> or not if we don't :p
[18:42] <elfy> or could revert :p
[18:42] <krytarik> elfy: Specifically you wanted to include Impress too at least, iirc. :P
[18:42] <krytarik> (And I'd personally be in favor of that.)
[18:43] <krytarik> But there would still be Base, Draw, and Math then. :D
[18:45] <elfy> Math gets dragged in
[18:45] <elfy> I think ochosi was Impress
[18:46] <krytarik> Might be, yes.
[18:46] <elfy> which Math or Impress?
[18:47] <krytarik> Impress.
[18:47] <elfy> because I know for fact that Math is currently dragged in :)
[18:47] <elfy> ack
[19:00] <micahg> weird, I'd expect calc to pull in math, not writer
[19:00] <micahg> and writer = 9.5M, math = 360k...not such a problem?
[19:01] <elfy> is it writer that pulls it? I didn't notice tbh - installed them at the same time
[19:01] <elfy> and yea - not a problem in the scheme of things I guess
[19:01] <micahg> reverse-depends libreoffice-math :)
[19:02] <elfy> yea - I tend not to do that when installing *my things* :p
[19:02] <elfy> micahg: though I suppose, logically math would be more useful for writer than calc
[19:03] <elfy> anyway - 360k ...
[20:01] <krytarik> slickymaster: Oh, and please update the translation templates too this time. :)
[21:28] <slickymaster> Done krytarik. Pushed up to revision 383


[01:03] <tsimonq2> wxl: do you have access to Lubuntu's Twitter page?
[01:03] <tsimonq2> wxl: if so, https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial lists an old blog
[01:13] <wxl> tsimonq2: do, but headed home. ping raf or catch me later.
[01:15] <tsimonq2> k wxl bai :)
[12:07] <tsimonq2> lynorian: could you figure this out sometime today? https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/4l6v7e/by_beef_with_linux_messing_with_real_time_clock/
[12:07] <tsimonq2> lynorian: with hardware clocks and time in Lubuntu