[04:14] <qwebirc58499> hello
[04:14] <qwebirc58499> login
[04:15] <qwebirc58499> how to i register and login?
[04:16] <pavlushka> qwebirc58499: about what?
[04:21] <qwebirc62573> JOIN
[04:29] <nlsthzn> what a strange fellow :p
[04:31]  * pavlushka chuckles
[04:45] <paddatrapper> Morning nlsthzn, pavlushka
[06:37] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn paddatrapper inetpro and all others
[06:37]  * Kilos packing
[06:44] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Try not forget anything :)
[06:45] <Kilos> whew
[06:45] <Kilos> head spinning
[06:45] <Kilos> 20 hours i think
[06:45] <bushtech> kophou
[06:46] <Kilos> hehe
[06:48] <superfly> ohi
[06:49] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:52] <Kilos> wbb. chores time
[07:46] <nsnzero> morning all
[07:48] <nsnzero> well i managed to break my system again - 1 fatal click in muon resulted in my entire kubuntu-desktop package being removed
[07:50] <CraigZ> can put it back together again
[07:59] <Kilos> wbb
[08:11] <nsnzero> already re-installed - like a brand new system and it feels faster - luckily all settings were preserved
[10:16] <jerit> hello AudaciousTUX
[10:17] <AudaciousTUX> hello jerit
[10:17] <jerit> was gonna greet Langjan but it seems I was too late :`(
[10:17] <AudaciousTUX> :p ... he'll check the log :D
[10:40] <bushtech_> is za.archive.ubuntu.com down? Getting a temporary failure
[10:41] <CraigZ> I go straight in
[10:42] <bushtech_> thanks
[10:42] <bushtech_> maybe my sucky connection
[10:58] <Kilos> sigh, so many emails
[11:16] <jerit> Kilos don't even get me started on emails
[11:17] <jerit> I'm getting 15+ spam mails per day and Vodacom is less than useless
[11:22] <Kilos> haha at least mine arent spam
[11:22] <Kilos> but spam you just delete and dont have to read
[11:23] <Kilos> use sugarplum to fight back at spammers
[12:20] <jerit> Kilos, sugarplum?
[12:21] <Kilos> look in repos jerit
[12:21] <Kilos> it spams back at spammers
[12:24] <jerit> so how do I use this?
[12:24] <jerit> its my vodamail account thats getting spammed, is this even going to help in that case?
[12:27] <Kilos> see if you can find a write up on it
[12:28] <Kilos> google finds lots of info
[12:28] <Kilos> im too busy atm to look
[12:29] <superfly> Kilos: sugarplum is a server tool, it's not going to help you with a gmail or a vodamail address
[12:29] <Kilos> aha ty superfly
[12:30] <jerit> also its apparently quite old circa 2003
[12:30] <Kilos> i never get spam mails
[12:30] <jerit> I dunno where the spammers got my email address but its insane
[12:30] <jerit> its a constant blight on my day
[13:34] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[13:34]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[13:34] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro
[13:34] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 6 hours, 29 minutes and 5 seconds ago in private on freenode [2016-08-29 00:05:27 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-08-27 00:17:33 PDT
[13:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:38] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[13:38] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[15:47] <paddatrapper> Does anyone have suggestions for applications that would allow me to record (preferably without a GUI) continuous audio  and break it up into 10 minute segments, or however long I need them to be?
[15:49] <bushtech> paddatrapper: i use audacity for recording old lp's. It can do that sort of thing
[15:49] <paddatrapper> bushtech: Looking for something to record 24/7 live stream on a headless server...
[15:50] <paddatrapper> Audacity unfortunately won't handle the continuous nature of the stream
[15:50] <SEptic> evening boys
[15:50] <bushtech> yep. sorry with my data limitation never looked at streaming
[15:54] <paddatrapper> No worries. Looking to move the radio station I work for off a desktop Windows machine for streaming and feed recording
[15:56] <Kilos> hi SEptic
[15:56] <SEptic> hey Kilos
[15:57] <SEptic> how goes everything?
[15:57] <Kilos> please all you guys, keep things running smoothly here while im away
[16:26] <bushtech> Kilos: moenie ons naam tottie maak daar anderkant nie
[16:27] <bushtech> Bon Voyage
[17:57] <Kilos> haha bushtech_ wat dink jy van my man
[17:58] <Kilos> i gotta pack lappy charger and stuff now. cheers guys , look after yourselves and keep the flag flying
[17:58] <Kilos> superfly everything of the best sir with finding work and with all your goals
[18:03] <Kilos> night everyone, sleep tight and stay well
[19:29] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos thank you, all the best with your visit! I'll be around :-)
[19:29] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:52] <bushtech_> gonna be quiet without kilos drinking coffee
[20:03] <paddatrapper> We'll have to write a bot to do it randomly throughout the day!
[20:03] <paddatrapper> Maaz: coffee on
[20:03]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[20:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for paddatrapper!
[20:07] <paddatrapper> Maaz: thanks
[20:07] <Maaz> paddatrapper: No problem
[20:08] <bushtech_> paddatrapper: is a bot?
[20:13] <paddatrapper> bushtech_: maybe
[21:55] <kulelu88> almal is wakker vanand


[01:12] <RAOF> apw: Dunno if you're still here, but 3.13 improves things in some ways.
[01:13] <RAOF> apw: In that pairing the touchpad doesn't cause a kernel panic. However, it doesn't cause a kernel panic because bluetooth fails to work entirely.
[09:58] <cking> smb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/MultipleISOBootUSBKey
[10:00] <apw> RAOF, oh what a gay day
[10:05] <apw> cking, hey that looks familiar, i can tell i was involved in at least one of those scripts just from the idioms used
[10:06] <cking> yup
[10:09] <smb> apw, Yeah I remembered this one yesterday (well looked it up again) while on the discussion about making usb-creator usable
[10:09] <smb> I think it has some draback when it comes to server images as they use Debian installer and not casper
[10:10] <apw> smb, may so indeed, probabally assumes it can mount itself to get the .debs or something
[10:11] <smb> Some parts are in grub2 but probably needed some intelligencce finding the iso as well and casper was better or so
[10:11] <smb> Really hard to remember now
[10:12] <apw> yeah
[10:12] <apw> and that
[10:36]  * apw whines about tearing under X on saucy
[10:37] <apw> vertical tearing
[10:44] <brendand> hi - i've noticed that on my system, the value in scaling_max_frequency is lower than the highest value in scaling_available_frequencies
[10:45] <brendand> what impact (if any) would that have on system performance?
[10:49] <infinity> brendand: It would limit your max frequency, obviously.  But this is also a bit odd.  What are the values?
[10:49] <apw> i would expect the max frequency to define how fast your machine might be allowed to go
[10:50] <apw> i would hope that info came from the bios and thus it is to blame
[10:50] <apw> cking, ^^ thoughts ?
[10:50]  * infinity notes that his has grown a new and bogus top-end...
[10:50] <infinity> (base)adconrad@cthulhu:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[10:50] <infinity> 2801000 2800000 2600000 2400000 2200000 2000000 1800000 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000
[10:50] <infinity> THANK GOD FOR THAT EXTRA 1MHz.
[10:50] <brendand> max: 1520400
[10:51] <cking> infinity, i think that's a placeholder for the turboboost
[10:51] <brendand> available: 2534000 2533000 1600000 800000
[10:51] <brendand> am i really restricted to 1.5Ghz?
[10:52] <cking> brendand, file a bug, I'll collect some data and poke at it
[10:52] <apw> i see brendand has that same 1mhz bump
[10:52] <brendand> kernel bug?
[10:53] <infinity> cking: Oh, did someone finally add turbo capability to ondemand?
[10:53] <smb> apw, Think as cking said that this is turbo mode
[10:53] <cking> it is turbomode, I see that on my range of boxen
[10:54] <cking> brendand, what does fwts cpufreq tell you?
[10:54]  * infinity was under the impression you had to use Intel's awful governor to get turboboost, but maybe they felt pity on those of us who like to not run crap code.
[10:54] <apw> oh yeah i was sure turbo was what i was, i was just idly noting his supported that
[10:54] <brendand> cking, a lot of warnings
[10:55] <brendand> Medium failures: 4
[10:55] <brendand>  cpufreq: Supposedly higher frequency   1.65 GHz is slower (78023 bogo loops) than frequency   1.65 GHz (78059 bogo loops) on CPU 0.
[10:55] <brendand>  cpufreq: Supposedly higher frequency   2.58 GHz is slower (78002 bogo loops) than frequency   2.58 GHz (78023 bogo loops) on CPU 0.
[10:55] <brendand>  cpufreq: Supposedly higher frequency   2.58 GHz is slower (77670 bogo loops) than frequency   2.58 GHz (77823 bogo loops) on CPU 1.
[10:55] <brendand>  cpufreq: Firmware not implementing hardware coordination cleanly. Firmware using SW_ANY instead?.
[10:56] <brendand> cking, and those failures
[10:56] <cking> that's helpful, can you file a bug, and report what fwts says, also include the output acpidump too, then I can figure what's going on
[10:57] <cking> and run that test when the machine is fully idle too
[10:57] <amitk> cking: brendand: it would be useful to check the machine temperature as well
[10:57] <brendand> amitk, hot :P
[10:57] <amitk> (to see if it is a thermal constraint)
[10:58] <cking> that's the problem then
[10:59] <smb> or even something fiddling around with max_frequency from userspace
[11:02] <brendand> cking, max_freq is being lowered because the system is hot?
[11:03] <cking> brendand, to stop the silicon melting away CPU freq throttling is kicked in
[11:03] <cking> (passive cooling)
[11:04] <cking> as well as the fan (active cooling)
[11:04] <cking> brendand, I'll work in the cpufreq test to explicitly detect this so we can figure this out easily
[11:07] <brendand> cking, right now it's only running at 50% and it's still at the same value
[11:07] <brendand> cking, is there any way to tell for sure it's due to overheating?
[11:08] <cking> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/temp  perhaps
[11:10] <cking> dmesg may contain some info about throttling (well it used to, not checked it recently)
[11:11] <amitk> brendand: and cat trip_point_?_temp in the same directory
[11:12] <cking> good idea ;-)
[11:15] <brendand> cking, amitk - i think it shouldn't be : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6447619/
[11:15] <brendand> cking, amitk - all the temps are lower than any of the trip points
[11:18] <cking> brendand, what is cat /sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq
[11:19] <brendand> cking, same as in max_freq: 2534000
[11:19] <brendand> cking, for both cores
[11:20] <cking> brendand, and /sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu0/cpufreq/bios_limit?
[11:22] <brendand> cking, same
[11:23] <amitk> is this running the intel pstate driver?
[11:30] <brendand> amitk, how can i check that?
[12:02] <infinity> brendand: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[12:03] <brendand> infinity, oh ok - i didn't realise those were the same. no it's just ondemand
[16:33] <ppisati> robher: didn't we disable cpufreq because of instabilities on ecx-1000? was it fixed? upstream code or firmware fix?
[16:34] <robher> ppisati: that was cpuidle. cpufreq was colliding with the omap cpufreq driver, but that should be fixed
[16:35] <ppisati> robher: ah right
[16:57] <ppisati> robher: actually i don't see any sign of us trying to turn it on and then off
[16:57] <ppisati> robher: i see it's on for raring, when highbank had its own kernel
[16:59] <robher> ppisati: maybe it got turned off in saucy inadvertently.
[17:00] <robher> perhaps some kconfig changes caused new defaults to get picked up?
[17:01] <ppisati> robher: actually i saw i commit from March 2013 when it was turned off cause it paniced omap, so when we collapsed all flavours in a single image kernel, that was off
[18:38] <jtaylor> concerning transparent huge pages, they are enabled but always be default
[18:39] <jtaylor>  /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled is set to madvise
[18:39] <jtaylor> found bug 743688
[18:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 743688 in linux (Ubuntu) "Transparent HugePages not enabled in 11.04 kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743688
[18:41] <apw> so if we are going to do anythihng with that it sounds liek another measure and evaluate job
[18:44] <jtaylor> concerning comment #12 according to lwn they are swappable (via splitting), and the performance regression might be fixed in 3.11, at least I think saw a commit that fixed one recently
[18:44] <apw> ogasawara, perhaps a WI to measure it, what do you think
[18:45] <ogasawara> apw: +1, was just writing it down
[18:45] <ogasawara> I should actually throw it in the whiteboard before I lose this piece of paper
[18:45] <apw> sounds good to me
[18:46] <jtaylor> commit<PHONE_NUMBER>62417205107e63cfe4821aa87ec1bb
[18:46] <apw> jtaylor, is that something (the default) which can be modified via either sysctl or via the kernle command line do you know
[18:47] <jtaylor> yes I always do so
[18:47] <apw> ok, so thats something
[18:47] <rtg> apw, whats the story on 'scsi: hyper-v storsvc switch up to SPC-3' in Trusty ? Its not even in linux-next.
[18:48] <rtg> og, only suggested by James
[18:48] <rtg> oh*
[18:48] <apw> rtg, yeah they are meant to be fixing that (i think by returning spc-3) in the hypervisor
[18:48] <apw> but till they do, ...  we need something
[18:48] <apw> i'll poke the lemming to find out
[18:50] <rtg> ogasawara, 3.13-rc1: 78 no-up patches, 30 SAUCE patches that should get reviewed for upstreaming.
[18:52] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[18:57] <apw> rtg, ogasawara, i have just pushed a dependancy change for the kernel, this moves us from binutils-dev to libiberty-dev, this is a request from foundations.  this will trigger an MIR for that when we get there, but we're not uploading overly soon i assume
[18:58] <rtg> apw, on unstable ?
[18:58] <apw> unstable only indeed
[18:59] <rtg> apw, maybe you should push again. I may have clobbered it.
[18:59] <rtg> obsessively rebasing.....
[19:00] <rtg> sorry
[19:04] <apw> rtg, done, np
[19:04] <rtg> apw, thanks
[19:30] <ppisati> robher: how can i tell if i'm using your cpufreq driver?
[19:30] <ppisati> ubuntu@c09:~$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_driver
[19:30] <ppisati> generic_cpu0
[19:33] <robher> ppisati: hummm, good question. I think other than looking at the kernel log, you can't.
[19:39] <ppisati> robher: you don't do any particular output in your driver, plus i've this:
[19:39] <ppisati> [    1.364119] cpufreq_cpu0: failed to get cpu0 regulator: -19
[22:29] <bjf> kees, you plan on verifying bug 1183616? (please)
[22:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1183616 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "seccomp-bpf missing on ARM in precise" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183616
[22:36] <robher> ppisati: actually, the cpu0 driver doesn't get instantiated unless the highbank driver succeeds. So if you see cpu0 driver being used, it is working.
[23:14]  * rtg -> EOD
[23:22] <kees> bjf: I thought it was not cool for the fix-author to also do the verification? I asked around trying to find someone that could test on real hardware but I'm not sure how far they got.
[23:36] <infinity> kees: It's perfectly cool for the author to verify, if you actually verify instead of saying "yeah, I submitted it, therefor it's fixed lolz".
[23:38] <RAOF> Looks like we need to socialise that again.
[23:58] <bjf> kees, that rule doesn't apply to kernel bugs :-)


[17:01] <tom22r> hello
[17:01] <tom22r> in windows 8 with the metro gui I can write apps with javascript, is this possible with a linux gui (unity, gnome etc.) ?
[17:56] <stqn> hi… I searched for days a forum or irc channel related to app devel for ubuntu… finally found this by looking at freenode’s channels list… and just noticed IRC and forum are on developer.ubuntu.com/community in « Other ways to get involved »… :(
[17:56] <GuidoPallemans> #ubuntu-devel


[00:02] <landstalker> urgh, you never want to see this in irc: Day changed to 18 Jan 2014
[00:02] <popey> ☻
[00:02] <popey> i see it most days
[00:03] <landstalker> I'm sure many people do
[00:04] <ahayzen> popey, mhall119, is timp the best person to talk to regarding the swipeDelete component? me and Victor have some questions/modifications we want to ask/make
[00:09] <mhall119> ahayzen: I'm not sure who exactly is best, but someone on bzoltan's team
[00:09] <ahayzen> mhall119, ok thanks
[00:09] <mhall119> np
[00:11] <landstalker> huh, so the adb backup doesn't backup the accounts etc
[00:11] <landstalker> I guess that's all in the system area?
[00:17] <mhall119> which accounts?
[00:17] <mhall119> Android or Ubuntu?
[00:19] <landstalker> Android
[00:19] <landstalker> it was a pre-oem unlock backup
[00:20] <mhall119> ah,I have no idea about Android stuff
[00:20] <landstalker> :)
[00:34] <landstalker> ok, bedtime.
[01:36] <newbieubuntu> can someone help me to instal ubuntu on my nexus 4
[01:38] <newbieubuntu> hello;
[02:15] <savagejen> So there's a video of someone running android on the beagle bone black with the 7" lcd touch screen cape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4INacVuTI0
[02:15] <savagejen> Given that it can run android, it sounds like it would be ideal for ubuntu touch.
[02:17] <savagejen> The beagle is only $50 and the cape is $90. Plus I suppose you need a battery and wifi adapter.
[02:17] <savagejen> but it boils down to an open hardware solution for touch, which is different than what I've been seeing proposed
[03:38] <Ya123> Hi everybody!
[06:33] <FuLgOrE> may I ask for a status update regarding the 4.4er rebase?
[06:34] <FuLgOrE> is still 2 weeks in the focus?
[07:07] <anmol> hey guys i have a query regarding ubuntu touch app devlopmet
[07:08] <anmol> anyone online>
[07:08] <anmol> ?
[09:43] <bzoltan> ahayzen: address yourquestions to timp, zsombi or to me
[11:55] <lapor> Hello
[11:55] <lapor> I have one question
[11:56] <lapor> I have dual boot Ubuntu/Android 4.4.2 on Nexus 4 and sound doesn't work
[11:56] <lapor> is that becouse of the radio issue?
[11:56] <lapor> the sam issue as with wifi not working?
[12:05] <lapor> have just found out that it is radio issue :)
[12:33] <FistMeHard90> hello
[12:33] <FistMeHard90> can install ubuntu-touch on my super big fist dildo?
[12:33] <FistMeHard90> so it get ability to touch me inside. now it no touch
[12:34] <FistMeHard90> fist touch me in inside my sloppy bootie?
[12:36] <FuLgOrE__> !devices
[12:36] <FuLgOrE__> maybe you can find your dildo there :D
[12:49] <FistMeHard90> thank u
[12:49] <FistMeHard90> u fist me with ubuntu-touch?
[12:49] <FistMeHard90> oor i touch u inside?
[12:49] <FistMeHard90> u finny gui?
[12:49] <FistMeHard90> funny gui?
[14:53] <soumith> hello dhere?
[14:53] <soumith> how to try ubuntu touch ?
[15:45] <climber806> With Nexus 7 (first-gen) support ending, when will support for the 2013 version begin?
[15:59] <myNameIsWho> hello there I am helping out a person who is making a app for vlc . a remote to be more direct. The issue is with avhai on VLC. It is not showing up aka I can not find the service. though I have scanned for it with 3 different tools and have not been able to find it.  Any suggestions ?
[16:02] <climber806> are there plans for google sync support?
[18:02] <jdorleans> Hello everyone, I've just got some weird behaviour on ListItem.ItemSelector and I'd like to share with you (there is a video link there):
[18:02] <jdorleans> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1270430
[18:02] <jdorleans> I'd also like to know if that's really a bug and how could I help to solve it.
[18:06] <dante123> hi all, daughter dropped her Nexus 7 2012 and cracked screen....could this device run Ubuntu Touch and act as a headless server
[18:06] <dante123> because cost to fix/hassle is not worth it....but hate to throw in the garbage
[18:16] <sashank> hey guys
[18:16] <sashank> im installing Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 4 and am having difficulties
[18:17] <sashank> can someone help please?
[18:19] <sashank> anyone there?
[18:21] <popey> sashank: wassup?
[18:22] <popey> dante123: yeah, you could possibly, if you can flash and unlock it. would enable you to run apt on it, and spin up some kind of server
[18:23] <dante123> im already running arkos/owncloud on a raspberry pi,
[18:23] <popey> nice
[18:23] <dante123> which i manage from browser
[18:23] <popey> not checked arkos recently, is it progressing?
[18:23] <dante123> so i thought i could maybe do something similar...or use it as some kind of media server
[18:23] <popey> IO is sluggish on the n7
[18:24] <dante123> id say so.  I have an external usb hdd plugged into pi and using it with owncloud....1tb of network storage
[18:24] <dante123> using webdav to share files with xbmc on ouya, or android devices etc.
[18:25] <dante123> well, the n7 might just be toast i guess.....but i hate not finding some use for it even in its cracked screen condition
[19:58] <miseria> "charlando con un arbol pregunte: porque tenia el cerebro enterrado? responde: la mision es proteger la tierra" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[21:19] <aclever> hi al
[21:20] <dante123> hello
[21:20] <aclever> somebody trying to fix the work Wifi compatibility?
[21:22] <aclever> i don't want to use previously 4.3 ver.
[21:23] <aclever> :(
[22:01] <slangasek> so, I'm trying to do some autopilot tests against ubuntu-emulator using phablet-test-run, with the current devel-proposed build (134)
[22:01] <slangasek> and the first tests I try are failing with an error 'Failed to load platform plugin "ubuntu".': http://paste.ubuntu.com/6776660/
[22:02] <slangasek> can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[22:02] <popey> hmm
[22:02] <popey> i use a script around phablet-test-run to do the setup
[22:02]  * popey pastebins
[22:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6776667/
[22:03] <popey> ./foo.sh lp:ubuntu-clock_app ubuntu_clock_app
[22:03] <popey> er
[22:03] <popey> ./foo.sh lp:ubuntu-clock-app ubuntu_clock_app
[22:03] <popey> is the kind of invocation I use.
[22:03] <popey> It does all the faff to get autopilot setup in the phablet home directory
[22:04] <popey> and then runs the tests
[22:04] <popey> so might be worth looking at that script for any setup stuff you may not have done prior to your tests.
[22:06] <slangasek> popey: so I've done the phablet-config autopilot --dbus-probe enable by hand already, having cribbed it from xnox's script; and I would assume since I'm testing a .deb right now, I shouldn't need phablet-click-test-setup ?
[22:07] <popey> slangasek: what version of autopilot is on the device?
[22:07] <slangasek> popey: also, my frustration level is very high at hearing that you also have a local script you use to run tests... this stuff needs to get properly encapsulated, so that anyone can reproduce test runs at the push of a button
[22:07] <popey> slangasek: oh, this is better than it was!
[22:07] <slangasek> popey: 1.4+14.04.20131125-0ubuntu4
[22:07] <popey> this is one script, rather than 4 wiki pages all suggesting different things!
[22:08] <slangasek> popey: except it's *your* script, instead of phablet-test-run DTRT! :)
[22:08] <popey> well, yes, (although it's balloons' script)
[22:08] <slangasek> heh
[22:09] <slangasek> anyway, this is up-to-date devel-proposed, so current python-autopilot from trusty
[22:09] <popey> i have felt the same pain for a couple of cycles though, so empathise
[22:09] <slangasek> should I compare with the current promoted image?
[22:09] <slangasek> (I guess that will take a while, since the apparmor regen stuff for --dbus-probe enable takes quite a while :/)
[22:09] <popey> not sure I can be much help there, I generally run that script like an automoton
[22:10] <slangasek> popey: and you've run it with success against the current devel-proposed image?
[22:10] <popey> i run it regularly, happy to test now with some app of your choice
[22:10] <slangasek> hum, how about if you pick one :)
[22:10] <popey> ok
[22:11] <popey> ok, my phone is up to date with latest devel-proposed
[22:11] <popey> gimmie a few mins to run a test
[22:11] <slangasek> which one are you running?  I can run it in parallel here
[22:12] <popey> ./testing.sh lp:ubuntu-calendar-app calendar_app
[22:13] <popey> note, keep the phone awake until autopilot starts
[22:13] <popey> if you let the phone go to sleep the tests fail
[22:13]  * slangasek nods
[22:13] <popey> i tap the screen periodically
[22:13] <popey> 22:13:26.863 INFO autopilot:139 - Autopilot Source Version: 1.4.0
[22:13] <popey> tests begun, app is open and doing stuff
[22:14] <slangasek> I'm not sure how I know if the emulator has gone to sleep - when the screen locks, I guess?
[22:14] <popey> ah!
[22:14] <popey> I am doing this on a device, sorry.
[22:14] <popey> I should restart in the emulator. duh
[22:14] <slangasek> that's fine, the results should be the same
[22:14] <slangasek> there are some emulator-specific failures, but this wasn't one of the ones xnox reported
[22:14] <popey> hah, your optimism is delightful
[22:15] <slangasek> grr, "error: device not found" - where is phablet-tools caching the device serial?
[22:15] <popey> oof
[22:15] <popey> not seen that
[22:15] <popey> usually "adb devices" Just Works ™
[22:15] <slangasek> adb devices *does* work
[22:15] <slangasek> this is phablet-tools refusing to talk to the device
[22:15] <popey> oh.
[22:16] <slangasek> presumably because it's passing some -s option that has gotten cached somewhere without my consent
[22:16] <popey> you dont have a phone attached do you?
[22:16] <popey> i know there's a known issue if you have two "devices"
[22:17] <slangasek> strange, it's calling 'adb root' and that's failing
[22:17] <popey> that.. unnecessary. surely?
[22:18] <slangasek> it's part of phablet-test-run, I dunno why
[22:18] <slangasek> but it's failing, and doesn't at the commandline
[22:19] <slangasek> oh argh
[22:20] <slangasek> phablet-test-run does 'export ANDROID_SERIAL=$(adb devices -l | grep usb | cut -f 1 -d " " | head -n1)'
[22:20] <slangasek> and emulator != usb :P
[22:20] <popey> \o/
[22:22] <slangasek> ok, so I'll hack around that in the wrapper script for the moment
[22:23] <popey> Ran 17 tests in 592.715s
[22:23] <popey> OK
[22:24] <popey> FWIW
[22:27]  * slangasek nods
[22:27] <slangasek> I'm getting timeouts here, but that's not terribly surprising
[22:27] <slangasek> however, what I'm not getting is the error I got when doing the deb test
[22:27] <slangasek> bug #1270497 filed
[22:28] <slangasek> (also, getting the white screen instead of the properly-rendered app, which ogra_ mentioned on the list)
[22:39] <popey> slangasek: anything else I can do to help? gonna go afk otherwise
[22:40] <slangasek> popey: well, still not sure what's going on with this .deb test, but I'll see if I can work it out
[22:40] <slangasek> evidently it's not a known issue, whatever it is :)
[22:40] <popey> heh, indeed
[22:52] <slangasek> so this seems to trace back to QT_QPA_PLATFORM=ubuntu in the environment (the error message is a Qt message); but why should the system have decided this is no longer supported?


[00:00]  * ion imagined the Fast Show “this week, I ’ave been mostly eating...” character saying that.
[00:00] <wasabi__> So I wonder if it makes sense to make instance jobs for starting virtual machines, and one job that starts instance jobs
[00:01] <Keybuk> ion: that's the exact way you should have imageined it ;)
[16:16] <wasabi__> So... advice. I think I know how I'll proceed on this, but I want input none the less. Writing a init set for VirtualBox. Basically, system has a set of VMs which are configured to be managed by init script set. User of the system can add new Vms to the set and stuff. He has to be able to control individual VMs with upstart. Because that rocks.
[16:16] <wasabi__> Two ways I can come up with; one, make a instance job, with variables for selecting the VM.
[16:16] <wasabi__> That's interesting. It has the downside that I need another job to start the instance jobs.
[16:16] <wasabi__> Which might be okay!
[16:17] <wasabi__> It also has the benefit that the user can start any VM by just starting an instance ad hoc
[16:17] <wasabi__> Second, let the user add .conf files underneath /etc/init/virtualbox/
[16:18] <wasabi__> That has the downside that the user has to write said files, or some utility does. It has the upside that the VMs are documented within the init system.
[16:18] <wasabi__> For the instance thing I'd have a file /etc/virtualbox-start.conf or somethign which simply listed the instances to run at boot.
[16:19] <wasabi__> Which the master task job would bring up
[18:39] <ion> naurun
[21:14] <wasabi> Hmm. So I have pre-stop successfully terminating the process. But after it terminates it, upstart respawns it. Heh.
[21:15] <wasabi> normal exit. aha.
[21:16] <wasabi> nope.


[14:55] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[14:55] <bdrung> meeting in five minutes
[14:58] <tumbleweed> right
[14:58] <tumbleweed> stgraber: are you around to chair?
[14:59] <stgraber> tumbleweed: I'm around and can chair but I have a meeting in exactly an hour so we won't be able to go overtime
[14:59] <Laney> sounds excellent to me
[15:00] <tumbleweed> any excuse to avoid overtime meetings is good :)
[15:00] <stgraber> #startmeeting DMB meeting
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[15:00] <stgraber> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:01] <stgraber> everyone read and amend http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal, and sign up for the implementation tasks
[15:01] <tumbleweed> that was going to go to the list
[15:01] <tumbleweed> but it didn't
[15:01] <tumbleweed> come bakc to it after applications? or really take it to the list this time?
[15:01] <Laney> I amended it earlier in the hope that we could talk about it today
[15:03] <barry> let's take care of the applicant first
[15:03] <Laney> yes!
[15:03] <stgraber> laney to update DD-PPU process to say that any ubuntu-dev is eligible
[15:03] <stgraber> so that was done apparently
[15:03] <Laney> 'take care'...
[15:04] <Laney> yes, yes it was
[15:04] <stgraber> tumbleweed to add louis-bouchard to universe-contributors
[15:04] <tumbleweed> done
[15:04] <stgraber> good
[15:04] <stgraber> #topic MOTU Applications - Robie Basak
[15:04] <stgraber> rbasak: ping
[15:04] <rbasak> Hello!
[15:04] <stgraber> that application is also for server packageset, so we'll vote twice
[15:05] <stgraber> rbasak: can you introduce yourself and your application(s)?
[15:05] <rbasak> Sure! I'm Robie Basak. I've been working for Canonical on their server team for almost two years. I'm applying for MOTU and ubuntu-server-dev. My application is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobieBasak/ServerDeveloperApplication
[15:08]  * Daviey is of the opinion that rbasak's application is long since overdue, and he's fed up of his sponsors nagging him to do it himself.
[15:09] <Laney> :-)
[15:09] <stgraber> so once you are a MOTU you'll be able to upload any universe packages, when around a milestone such as the upcoming alpha-2, can you simply upload any universe package or are there extra things you should check?
[15:10] <rbasak> If the package is seeded for a flavour that participates in the alpha, I will need to make sure that the upload doesn't interfere with a spin/respin. I'd check with #ubuntu-release in this case.
[15:11] <stgraber> ok, how can you check if a package is seeded by a participating flavour?
[15:11] <rbasak> The seeded-in-ubuntu command will tell me that.
[15:12] <bdrung> rbasak: looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/247479/how-do-i-check-whether-a-ppa-package-has-been-tampered-with/247489#247489, are you aware of the tools pull-lp-source and debdiff?
[15:13] <rbasak> bdrung: yes, but there are specific reasons I didn't use those for my answer.
[15:13] <bdrung> okay
[15:14] <rbasak> pull-lp-source will pull from the development version, whereas I thought that people using that answer would be more likely to want to compare against, say, precise, or some upstream source directly. So I didn't feel that it was appropriate to use pull-lp-source there as I thought it was too specific.
[15:15] <rbasak> And again to compare an upstream source against (say) a PPA package, then debdiff won't work as there would be no upstream dsc.
[15:15] <barry> rbasak: hi.  i have a question about working with upstreams.  how engaged are you with debian and upstreams to forward bugs and fixes?  e.g. is this one a candidate for upstreaming?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman/1:2.1.15-1ubuntu1  (wonder how that one caught me eye :)
[15:16] <stgraber> rbasak: pull-lp-source <package> <series-pocket or version> :)
[15:16] <rbasak> Well that one's a good example I think. In that case upstream is on Launchpad, so I filed upstream by adding the bug task. The dep3 headers reveal all ;)
[15:17] <barry> rbasak: nice, thank you!
[15:17] <rbasak> stgraber: sure, but it doesn't work for example when comparing a pristine upstream tarball to a PPA.
[15:17] <rbasak> For Debian involvement, I usually file as far upstream as possible, and notify Debian if I think it would be of particular use to cherry-pick instead of waiting for a new upstream release.
[15:18] <stgraber> rbasak: sure, was just commenting about the "pull-lp-source will pull from the development version" bit
[15:18] <rbasak> I did that for an evolution/libical bug, for example.
[15:18] <rbasak> stgraber: ah OK. Yeah, I use that quite a bit.
[15:18] <barry> rbasak: thanks
[15:19] <Laney> rbasak: About your "What I like least in Ubuntu" — who do you think would curate such a list?
[15:19] <Laney> It sounds a bit like dholbach's harvest tool - do you know about that?
[15:20] <rbasak> I've seen the harvest tool. I think that's the inverse of what I'm saying, though. harvest seems useful to me from an Ubuntu developer's perspective - for stuff that might be worth bundling in with an upload, for example.
[15:21] <Laney> I think it's supposed to be both of those things
[15:22] <rbasak> For non- Ubuntu developers, they just have a goal. Eg. there's a patch, and they'd like it in. We know about SRU policy, when we might introduce a delta vs. file upstream, etc, but outsiders don't necessarily know that. So I'd like some documentation that is indexed by task like that.
[15:22] <Laney> So it's more about documentation than creating task lists?
[15:22] <rbasak> Right. Completely about documentation, not about creating task lists at all.
[15:23] <Laney> I see; I read it a bit differently
[15:23] <Laney> Do you imagine you'll work on it or is it a wishlist? :-)
[15:24] <Laney> I imagine it's something that would live on developer.ubuntu.com quite nicely
[15:24] <bdrung> rbasak: have you talked with dholbach about improving the documentation?
[15:25] <bdrung> i think it could fit into the packaging guide
[15:25] <rbasak> Here's an example: bug 1160177 - 51 people affected, there's a patch, but no sign of anyone working to get it into Ubuntu. As a MOTU I'd be able to help, but I'm sure some of those people in the bug could do it too, but there's no single place to point them to that'll show them the SRU policy, how to look upstream, etc.
[15:25] <Laney> The packaging guide has this knowledge base idea but it's currently a bit lower level than that
[15:26] <Laney> I'm sure some contributed articles would be well received
[15:26] <rbasak> In that specific example I'm trying to take a technical friend who is affected through the steps - though nothing's on the bug yet.
[15:27] <rbasak> I will work on it, but expect it to go pretty slowly. I hope to gain some experience in finding out how things work first. Maybe some blog posts first, see how they go down, and then suggest amendments to the official documentation (packaging guide, developer section on wiki or ubuntu.com, etc)
[15:28] <rbasak> By "how things work" I mean how new developers take to my suggested different approach to documentation
[15:28] <bdrung> rbasak: have you done any syncs from Debian yet?
[15:29] <Laney> I think a high level "how do I do this thing I want to do?" section would be nice
[15:29]  * Laney yields
[15:29] <rbasak> I'm not sure I actually have. I'm aware of requestsync. I came close once, but then found a bug so managed to drop the entire delta and then had to introduce one again.
[15:30] <rbasak> I think it's because of the nature of the packages I've worked on so far.
[15:30] <rbasak> I've also read the requestsync manpage and realise it's a slightly different process if I have upload rights to the package in question.
[15:31] <Laney> The appropriate tool then is 'syncpackage'
[15:31] <rbasak> Looks like I'll need to use syncpackage
[15:33] <bdrung> rbasak: when introducing a new delta, getting the change into Debian too is recommended. once the change is accepted in Debian (or tribbled through upstream), you can sync the package (with syncpackage as pointed out by Laney)
[15:33] <bdrung> rbasak: do have you any plans for Debian beyond forwarding relevant patches?
[15:35] <rbasak> I'd like to become a DD in the end. I've got a few new packages I'd like to get into Debian. I've got as far as getting a mentors.d.n account so far.
[15:36] <bdrung> nice to hear.
[15:36] <rbasak> Unfortunately that side of things is a spare time thing for me, so my progress is much slower than the Ubuntu side that I'm paid to work on full time. But I hope to get there.
[15:37] <bdrung> i am confident that you will get there. :)
[15:37] <rbasak> Thanks :)
[15:39] <stgraber> #voters Laney bdrung barry tumbleweed stgraber
[15:39] <meetingology> Current voters: Laney barry bdrung stgraber tumbleweed
[15:39] <stgraber> we'll vote twice, first for MOTU then for server
[15:39] <stgraber> #vote rbasak for MOTU
[15:39] <meetingology> Please vote on: rbasak for MOTU
[15:39] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:40] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:40] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[15:40] <barry> +1
[15:40] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[15:40] <stgraber> +1
[15:40] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:40] <Laney> +1
[15:40] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:40] <bdrung> +1
[15:40] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[15:41] <Daviey> stgraber: ?
[15:42] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:42] <meetingology> Voting ended on: rbasak for MOTU
[15:42] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:42] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:42] <stgraber> #vote rbasak for server packageset PPU
[15:42] <meetingology> Please vote on: rbasak for server packageset PPU
[15:42] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:43] <bdrung> +1
[15:43] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[15:43] <Laney> +1
[15:43] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:43] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:43] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[15:43] <stgraber> +1
[15:43] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:43] <barry> +1
[15:43] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[15:43] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:43] <meetingology> Voting ended on: rbasak for server packageset PPU
[15:43] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:43] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:43] <Daviey> \o/, congrats rbasak. Good effort.
[15:43] <rbasak> \o/ thanks all, and for your time!
[15:44] <Laney> well done!
[15:44] <stgraber> added to both teams
[15:51] <stgraber> #topic PPU membership proposal
[15:51] <stgraber> Current proposal is here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal
[15:51] <Laney> if my two proposals accurately reflect the two options then I suggest we do a three way vote
[15:51] <Laney> might need to use CIVS or something
[15:52] <Laney> just choosing between them and NOTA
[15:52] <tumbleweed> no objection
[15:53] <Laney> is the first option right?
[15:53] <stgraber> Laney: so can we achieve that with 3 votes, 1 for proposal-1, 1 for proposal-2 and 1 for NOTA? picking the option with the highest number of votes that's > 4?
[15:54] <tumbleweed> Laney: there are missing details in option 1
[15:54] <Laney> I think having it be desktop-core, core and flavours would be good enough and explainable without too much confusion
[15:54] <tumbleweed> Laney: sure
[15:54] <stgraber> let me grab the list I suggested last time
[15:55] <barry> Laney: do you envision this list (of packages/sets to require membership) to change often?
[15:55] <Laney> no, I was hoping for it to not change at all
[15:55] <Laney> to be clear, that's not my favoured option
[15:55] <stgraber> core, desktop-core, flavours, kernel, ubuntu-desktop (same status as flavour), ubuntu-server (same status as flavour) and xorg
[15:56] <Laney> kernel and xorg are subsets of core, aren't they?
[15:56] <Laney> hmm, no
[15:56] <stgraber> there are some overlaps between them, but it's not a subset
[15:57] <Laney> well, the packages therein that you care about
[15:57] <barry> i just want to make sure that an application knows where to look and can find out exactly whether they'll need to apply for membership also
[15:57] <Laney> yes
[15:58] <stgraber> barry: yeah, I expect a fairly static list and for us to recheck when we get an application (pre-meeting)
[15:58] <Laney> I don't think it's us we should be worrying about
[15:59] <stgraber> so should we vote on those three (option-1, option-2 and NOTA)? I have to end the meeting in a minute.
[15:59] <barry> Laney: right.  i guess we'll need a what-do-i-apply-for command ;)
[15:59] <Laney> I think it's best if I set up a CIVS poll and add everyone as voters
[15:59] <Laney> that should work
[15:59] <barry> +1
[15:59] <stgraber> ok, wfm
[15:59] <Laney> action me, I'll do it today
[16:00] <stgraber> #action Laney to setup a CIVS poll to choose between the two options (and NOTA) for PPU membership
[16:00] <meetingology> ACTION: Laney to setup a CIVS poll to choose between the two options (and NOTA) for PPU membership
[16:00] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[16:00] <Laney> ta
[16:00] <stgraber> Next meeting chair will be ScottK (and Barry after that)
[16:00] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul  1 16:00:41 2013 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-01-15.00.moin.txt
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-01-15.00.html
[16:00] <barry> stgraber: thanks!
[16:00] <stgraber> thanks everyone, hoping to get to the minutes sometime tomorrow (really too busy today)
[16:31] <tyhicks> hello
[16:31] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:31] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
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[16:32] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:32] <jdstrand> Stefan Bader (smb) provided debdiffs for precise-saucy for xen. Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Thanks! :)
[16:32] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:33] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place this week, though I didn't really get to community last week
[16:33] <jdstrand> sarnold, can you hold off on community duties this week?
[16:33] <jdstrand> sarnold: feel free to respond to #ubuntu-hardened, but just not the current backlog. I'll get to it
[16:33] <jdstrand> worked a lot on the SDK last week. Need to upload the latest patchset to saucy, upstream the patchset and file a few bugs with the SDK team and coordinate with them before I handoff to sbeattie
[16:34] <jdstrand> I also need to coordinate with the team the work for this month
[16:34] <jdstrand> (ie, send the email)
[16:34] <jdstrand> I am working on lcms2 and openjdk-7 updates
[16:34] <jdstrand> and am patch piloting this week
[16:35] <sbeattie> jdstrand: did you upload the sdk patch set to the dbus-dev ppa?
[16:35] <jdstrand> sbeattie: a variation of it. I need to upload there too. basically, I did several uploads-- the ppa got an early one, then saucy got the others. I have one more for both
[16:36] <sbeattie> okay
[16:36] <jdstrand> sbeattie: mdes laur is off today. you're up
[16:37] <sbeattie> I'm focused on apparmor development again this week.
[16:38] <sbeattie> I'm sweeping through my email after having been on holiday for two weeks
[16:38] <sbeattie> I need to review what jdstrand did with the sdk patches and see what's next to work on there.
[16:39] <sbeattie> I also need to look at and respond to the ipc email jjohansen sent to the apparmor list
[16:39]  * jjohansen feels sorry for sbeattie
[16:39] <sbeattie> That's all I can remember at the moment, I'm sure there's other things I need to do.
[16:39] <sbeattie> tyhicks: tag.
[16:39] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I can tell you right off the most important thing this month is the click apparmor hook
[16:39] <sbeattie> cool
[16:40] <jdstrand> a demo will be help at the end of the month for the higher ups, so we kinda need that :)
[16:40] <jdstrand> I imagine it will be quite straightforward
[16:40] <jdstrand> s/help/held
[16:41] <sbeattie> okay
[16:41] <tyhicks> I'll be active in the AA IPC email thread to help drive the syntax discussions to completion
[16:42] <tyhicks> I'm going to look into enabling ARM package building support in dbus-dev so that I can easily "measure unpatched and patched dbus performance on phablet image"
[16:42] <tyhicks> (I need to follow up w/ jjohansen to check on the phablet kernel backport status first)
[16:42] <jjohansen> tyhicks: new kernels are in all 4 images, and saucy
[16:42] <tyhicks> I'll be ready to help out with any online accounts questions regarding libapparmor APIs
[16:43] <tyhicks> thanks jjohansen
[16:43] <tyhicks> and I'll be ready to pick up the content manager work once the cli-based content manager is ready
[16:44] <tyhicks> also, the kernel merge window is now open, so I'll need to prepare a pull request and I have a couple other minor eCryptfs tasks to catch up on
[16:44] <tyhicks> I think that's it
[16:44] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:45] <jjohansen> so I have to finish up walking sarnold through the 2.8 release this week
[16:46] <jjohansen> and I have a couple of kernel issues to hunt down that have surfaced in the maguro phablet kernel
[16:46] <jjohansen> and then I'll doing apparmor dev
[16:47] <jjohansen> oh and I suppose tormenting people with IPC syntax emails
[16:47] <jjohansen> I think that is it from me
[16:47] <jjohansen> sarnold: your up
[16:47] <sbeattie> jjohansen: now that I'm back, would it make more sense for me to walk sarnold through the release?
[16:47] <jdstrand> jjohansen: so, it is just maguro, not the others?
[16:47] <jjohansen> sbeattie: it might
[16:48] <jdstrand> I think it would be great if sbeattie could help jjohansen in that way
[16:48] <sarnold> I'm on community this week; jdstrand has suggested he'll take over some of the duties from his week, but since I've already done one of the ruby-openid-ish updates from ckuerste, it'd be easy for me to take at least that one and make sure it looks a lot like the previous one...
[16:48] <jjohansen> jdstrand: yes they have only showed up in maguro. That doesn't mean they aren't in the others but ...
[16:48] <jdstrand> but I'll leave it up to you guys
[16:49] <jdstrand> jjohansen: that is interesting. quite a few people have mako and grouper fwiw
[16:49] <jdstrand> anyhoo, hopefully it will be easy to track down
[16:49] <sarnold> I also have some openssl packages with the site-wide compression disable patch in -proposed that I would like to distribute far and wide, and USN
[16:49] <jdstrand> sarnold: feelf ree to take ruby-openid-ish
[16:49] <jdstrand> sarnold: I just didn't want to stick you with the stuff I didn't do
[16:50] <sarnold> the tracking bug had less traffic than I hoped, but it was one guy saying the updated openssl let him pass his PCI-DSS audit for postfix, so hooray :)
[16:50] <sarnold> jdstrand: cool, thanks
[16:50] <jjohansen> jdstrand: yeah its a bit of a pain, but I have reproduced with the x86 version of the 3.0 backport so its not a problem
[16:50] <jjohansen> otherwise I would have been bugging you for a device
[16:51] <sarnold> I also had a few ACKs on outstanding patches on the apparmor mail list that I wanted to check into trunk and perhaps nominate for 2.8 before a 2.8.2 release
[16:51] <sbeattie> sarnold: note that cboltz merged one or two this morning.
[16:52] <sarnold> and the AppArmor IPC mails will likely consume the rest of my week; bouncycastle testing is again a bottom-priority task
[16:52] <sarnold> sbeattie: oh, cool :)
[16:52] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson, your turn
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> so, last week was a fun week of updates (firefox, thunderbird and chromium)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> i'm currently looking at a crash in chromium, and there's going to be an update to fix a webapp-related issue as well
[16:53] <sarnold> (thank you :)
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> also, bug 1194841 (firefox), which i'll do another update for this week
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> that one is pretty annoying, especially as it was known upstream, but their release team rejected including it for 22.0
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> then after that, it's back on to oxide hacking again :)
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> (there aren't any other planned updates this week)
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> i think that's me done
[16:55] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: we should have that cross-team oxide meeting soon
[16:56] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:56] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:56] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:56] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/srtp.html
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, i agree (sorry, just went to grab a glass of water)
[16:56] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/latd.html
[16:56] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ldns.html
[16:56] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rocksndiamonds.html
[16:56] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/kolabd.html
[16:57] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:57] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:05] <jdstrand> sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:05] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul  1 17:05:46 2013 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-01-16.31.moin.txt
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-01-16.31.html
[17:05] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[17:05] <tyhicks> thanks
[17:06] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[17:07] <sbeattie> thanks jdstrand
[20:36] <Fionnghall> Who knows, ubuntu community alredy fix bug with ibus?
[20:37] <Fionnghall> in v13.04 when you run gedit, you get message with error
[20:37] <Fionnghall> How fix it?
[20:38] <pleia2> Fionnghall: you want #ubuntu for support
[20:46] <Fionnghall> Thx.