[22:15] <Babuto> hi i have a problem with my internet connection. I can't ping any website but i can't do anything else. Can anyone help me ?
[22:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Xavura You need to pastebin your xorg
[22:15] <gordon__> anyone wnat to help me
[22:15] <alraune> Xavura: whats on now ? ah, pastebin
[22:16] <Xavura> Jack_Sparrow: Give me a second.
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Babuto DNS Problems: Enter this into Web Browser address window <IP_ADDRESS> 2  it is Google
[22:16] <gordon__> cause i need to no how to install wine right on ubuntu
[22:16] <bob3213243> ugh, I am having no luck getting video chat setup with OSX. Not sure what to do.
[22:16] <kushalsejwal> I recently downloaded VLC player so that I can improve picture quality of movies but I still see tiny square like pixels on the screen???
[22:16] <xocite> gordon__: apt-get install wine?
[22:17] <Xavura> Jack_Sparrow: Before I paste it, I just looked at xorg.conf
[22:17] <kushalsejwal> When I watch the same movie on Win media player its perfect :(
[22:17] <Xavura> and it is totally different to what it was before restarting X.
[22:17] <cckk> what is the best channel to be in if i want to get information and help installing an ati branded hd tv tuner?
[22:17] <kushalsejwal> I dont want to go to windows back just to watch movies
[22:17] <Xavura> cckk: ATI? Pfft, don't bother
[22:17] <BlackH007> kushalsejwal: try playing with the codec settings in the preferences
an hour ago i went with Xavura through installation of ati driver to get her TV out working., then after  two hours stuck with xorg.conf
[22:17] <Anitox> kushalsejwal: tried mplayer?
[22:17] <a2008> please help me : in ubuntu 8.04 my cpu load when my system isn't busy , cpu monitor applet show my cpu 100 % and in gnome-system monitor doesn't task that load cpu larger than 10% and my laptob go to hot , when i restart my system this problem solve but after some time again my cpu load 100% , what should i do ?
[22:18] <kushalsejwal> Anitox, havent tried Mplayer
[22:18] <cckk> xavura :really nothing available?
[22:18] <glitsj16> kushalsejwal: have you experimented with vlc settings (video output module) to check whether the issue disappears ?
[22:18] <kushalsejwal> BlackH007, I have all the necessary codecs downloaded
[22:18] <SliMM> hello
[22:18] <kushalsejwal> glitsj16. I havent changed a single setting
[22:18] <SliMM> I have a Motorola H500 handsfree
[22:18] <Anitox> kushalsejwal, or maybe you need to update your video drivers?
[22:18] <kushalsejwal> it was the same quality with the totem player
[22:18] <unop> kushalsejwal, is this problem just on vlc? how about flash videos?
[22:19]  * AfeRaTa is back [ gone for 161wks 4days 10hrs 16secs ]
[22:19] <glitsj16> kushalsejwal: can't do any harm, try some
[22:19] <BlackH007> kushalsejwal: having codecs doesn't mean you have optimal quality settings
[22:19] <SliMM> how can I use it as an extra audio device available to Ubuntu?
[22:19] <kushalsejwal> BlackH007, then what should I do
[22:19] <Rudd-O> SliMM: it depends
[22:19] <Rudd-O> what do you want to do with it?
[22:19] <BlackH007> kushalsejwal: see what you can change in codec settings in the preferences
[22:19] <Rudd-O> what is your usage scenario?  how is it wired to your stereos and stuff?
[22:20] <SliMM> Rudd-O: hmm, use it on skype?
[22:20] <kushalsejwal> Anitox, how can I update my video driveres, I have recently installed restricted ATI driver
[22:20] <SliMM> Rudd-O: it's bluetooth
[22:20] <Rudd-O> SliMM: you set it up in skype itself then.  in the audio device options.
[22:20] <JC_Denton_> How can I get ubuntu to run ifconfig eth0 down at 0700 each morning?
[22:20] <KDELOVER4LIFE> I am getting various issues after installing swiftfox with displaying addresses and all does anyone know how to fic this?
[22:20] <Rudd-O> as far as I know, once the bluetooth device has been paired, it should just work via ALSA and appear in skype as a usable device
[22:20] <Anitox> kushalsejwal, sounds like you're updated then
[22:20] <unop> JC_Denton_, use a cron job
[22:20] <kunwon1> JC_Denton_, cron
[22:20] <gordon__> how do i install java on ubuntu
[22:20] <Xavura> cckk: There probably is, I am just having problems with ATI hardware right now :P
[22:21] <Arouca> hiii
[22:21] <Xavura> Isn't Java installed by default?
[22:21] <Rev> hello
[22:21] <gordon__> no
[22:21] <Arouca> i trying to register the nick...
[22:21] <gordon__> i dont no let me check
[22:21] <Xavura> Jack_Sparrow: What did you say it was instead of fglrx?
[22:21] <Rev> whats the command to create a deb package from the sources?
[22:21] <alraune> cckk: an hour ago i went with Xavura through installation of ati driver to get her TV out working., then after  two hours stuck with xorg.conf
[22:21] <SliMM> Rudd-O: it doesn't
[22:21] <kunwon1> Xavura, aiglx
[22:21] <Rudd-O> Rev:  apt-get source I think
[22:21] <Arouca> for i register i write /msg nickserv register <your-password> <your-email> right???
[22:21] <ASULutzy1> So aferta got banned and rejoined as darkuk, but still joined as AfeRaTa... How long till the reban ;)
[22:21] <Rudd-O> SliMM: oh then I'm not sure :-(
[22:21] <Rev> i mean ; i have downloaded all the sources for sfdesktop in a folder and i would like to create the .deb
[22:21] <Xavura> Ok, would it work if I put for Driver "radeon"
[22:21] <Xavura> That used to work.
[22:22] <Rudd-O> I have a radeon 7000m  it's a piece of garbage.
[22:22] <Rev> Rudd-O, nope, that would only download the sources, not create the package itself$
[22:22] <gordon__> it not installed how do i install java in the termina
[22:22] <HomingHamster> Arouca, try /ns help register
[22:22] <SliMM> Rudd-O: how do I actually pair the handsfree with the laptop?
[22:22] <Carbon_life> What's a good way to encrypt directories?
[22:22] <Arouca> HomingHamster,  Ok...tk ś
[22:22] <Arouca> ops
[22:22] <cckk> Xavura: yeah me too ive looked every where on google only found this http://gatos.sourceforce.net
[22:22] <kushalsejwal> BlackH007: preferece>>codecs seems fine to me there is nothing to change as such
[22:22] <Arouca> HomingHamster,  oK...tk's
[22:22] <Rudd-O> SliMM: I know how to do that with kdebluetooth, but that's as far as I go
[22:22] <kushalsejwal> any other option that I can try
[22:22] <Rudd-O> I use KDE myself
[22:22] <HomingHamster> :)
[22:22] <th0r> Carbon_life, encfs
[22:22] <DarkAudit> !apt-build
[22:22] <Sylphid|work> what would cause eth0 to not respond after connecting to a wireless network?
[22:22] <Xavura> cckk: My problem is with a Graphics card but
[22:23] <Xavura> Jack_Sparrow: My xorg.conf keeps changing itself, I don't know what to do
[22:23] <gordon__> how do i install java on ubuntu
[22:23] <Rudd-O> apt-build is what you want I think
[22:23] <Xavura> I have about 30 versions of it, I don't know which is which
[22:23] <Xavura> All different backups with different naming schemes...
[22:23] <ryanakca> Why doesn't Hardy carry bitchx? Dapper -> Gutsy do...
[22:23] <gordon__> cna someone give me the full terminal code fo java
[22:23] <Anitox> I'm having trouble getting my mic to work with wine. It works with audacity just fine in native linux, but not in any windows app I try under wine.
[22:24] <alraune> Xavura:  pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:24] <nealmcb> argh - I though after firefox 3.0 came out officially I wouldn't have to suffer thru add-on hassles again, but now tab mix plus is said to be incompatible with 3.0.1 - is that true?
[22:24] <kunwon1> Anitox, I'd probably ask in #wine
[22:24] <Anitox> good point
[22:24] <Rudd-O> anitox: verify winecfg audio output and input options
[22:24] <gordon__> someone help me
[22:24] <DarkAudit> Rudd-O: I'm about to beat apt-build to death with a rusty hatchet >.<
[22:24] <Jack_Sparrow> !java
[22:24] <cckk> alraune: thats gnarley, is there a brand that linux/ubuntu is more fond of i just converted from windows to linux after 20 years of dos/windows so i am literally a week old newbie
[22:24] <Xavura> alraune: I don't want that, that's an old broken version
[22:24] <anonno> hi
[22:24] <Rudd-O> DarkAudit: I beat you, I'm about to migrate to Fedora!
[22:24] <anonno> what if I deleted my /dev?
[22:25] <Rudd-O> I win
[22:25] <Rev> whats the command to create a deb package from the sources?
[22:25] <Rudd-O> (or, you could also say, I lose)
[22:25] <kushalsejwal> sorry for copy pasting my quest. again
[22:25] <kushalsejwal> I recently downloaded VLC player so that I can improve picture quality of movies but I still see tiny square like pixels on the screen???
[22:25] <anonno> how can I recreate it?
[22:25] <unop> Carbon_life, do you want the directory to be used like a normal directory? or would you like to make a compressed file of the directory (like an encrypted backup) ?
[22:25] <Rudd-O> anonno: create it empty, and coldboot the machine.  it will be recreated on the spot
[22:25] <HomingHamster> gordon__: try apg-cache search java, then apt-get install <the thing you want>
[22:25] <alraune> you want your original back ?
[22:25] <Rudd-O> you might want to try the altsysrq key first
[22:25] <anonno> so I rm -rf /dev
[22:25] <anonno> mkdir /dev
[22:25] <anonno> and init 6?
[22:25] <Rudd-O> alt+SysRq+U, alt+SysRq+S, coldboot
[22:25] <unop> anonno, err, you don't want to do that
[22:25] <coldboot> Rudd-O: I can help with that.
[22:25] <HomingHamster> gordon__: or you could use the package manager
[22:25] <DarkAudit> Rudd-O: I'm trying to get the package I've just compiled to install, but apt wants to download the one from the regular repositories and use that instead
[22:26] <Rudd-O> lol, coldboot is here
[22:26] <alraune> Xavura:  so no one could help ; you want your original back ?
[22:26] <Rudd-O> DarkAudit: if you have a deb on your disk, use dpkg -i
[22:26] <td123> kushalsejwal: it's not the player, it's the codec. Proprietary codecs are closed spec (some) and the codecs that aren't supplied to by them are iffy
[22:26] <coldboot> I am the boot which has no software.
[22:26] <Rudd-O> kushalsejwal: what codec are you having trouble with?
[22:26] <DarkAudit> Rudd-O: shouldn't apt-build install (whatever) do that already after the package is built?
[22:26] <Rudd-O> coldboot: loi!
[22:26] <anonno> I'm on ubuntu live cd
[22:26] <bug_> hello
[22:26] <Rudd-O> DarkAudit: I try to stick to dpkg so as not to lose more hair
[22:27] <anonno> so I just press those combinations?
[22:27] <Rudd-O> anonno: then just reboot
[22:27] <kushalsejwal> I have all the codecs installed , its when I play .avi
[22:27] <Rudd-O> wait
[22:27] <kunwon1> anonno, then you don't have to do anything, just reboot
[22:27] <bug_> anybody could help a french newbie please ?
[22:27] <anonno> I rebooted 2 times
[22:27] <Xavura> Jack_Sparrow: The xorg.conf you requested -- http://pastebin.mozilla.org/489427
[22:27] <Rudd-O> okay
[22:27] <anonno> both were errorous
[22:27] <Rudd-O> there are two dirs in /dev that must exist
[22:27] <Rudd-O>  /dev itself and /dev/pts
[22:27] <HomingHamster> bug_, do they speak english :P
[22:27] <Xavura> If anyone else knows anything about xorg.conf could you take a quick look and see if you can spot anything wrong
[22:27] <bug_> yes
[22:27] <DarkAudit> Anitox: USB headset?
[22:27] <kushalsejwal> when i play the same movie on win media payer its fine but when I play it on totem or VLC I see tiny pixels, the quality is not 100% please suggest!!
[22:27] <Rudd-O> udev is mounted on boot, if both exist, and udev takes charge of recreating it from the devices it finds
[22:27] <HomingHamster> bug_, what with?
[22:28] <bug_> I speak a little bit english
[22:28] <Rudd-O> Xavura: you can always take a peek at /var/log/Xorg.0.log using the less command
[22:28] <bug_> I've to patch a geexbox version
[22:28] <anonno> if they both exist then I restart?
[22:28] <unop> kushalsejwal, tried mplayer?
[22:28] <Xavura> Rudd-O: I've had enough, I'll leave it to someone who knows what they are doing
[22:28] <anonno> and when do I press that combination?
[22:28] <Rudd-O> kushalsejwal: if you can, turn off all postprocessing.  if you are watching wmv videos, I feel your pain man
[22:28] <unop> kushalsejwal, tried adjusting codec properties?
[22:28] <kushalsejwal> unop, okay let me give a try to mplayer too
[22:28] <Xavura> Rudd-O: After god only knows how many hours of messing around, I just want to get this thing working.
[22:28] <unop> kushalsejwal, tried updating your video drivers?
[22:29] <anonno> the coldboot thing
[22:29] <Xavura> Can anyone see anything wrong with this? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/489427
[22:29] <kushalsejwal> Rudd-0, dude it not WMV videos, that are even horrible on totem, but still avi should work fine :(
[22:29] <Xavura> It's quite small for an xorg.conf, I think
[22:29] <Anitox> Xavura: what is the problem?
[22:30] <Xavura> Anitox: I don't know, everything.
[22:30] <unop> Xavura, if i were you -- i would remove the xorg.conf file and try xorg without one (back it up just in case you need it later) -- see if that improves anything
[22:30] <kushalsejwal> Rudd-0 what is postprocessing???
[22:30] <a2008> please help me : in ubuntu 8.04 my cpu load when my system isn't busy , cpu monitor applet show my cpu 100 % and in gnome-system monitor doesn't task that load cpu larger than 10% and my laptob go to hot , when i restart my system this problem solve but after some time again my cpu load 100% , what should i do ?
[22:30] <Sylphid|work> what would cause eth0 to not respond after connecting to a wireless network?
[22:30] <unop> a2008, use top instead of the gnome-system-monitor
[22:30] <__yy_> a2008: what program is using all your cpu?
[22:30] <alexudner> hi
[22:30] <Xavura> unop: I'm not trying anything, do you know how long I've been doing this for now?
[22:31] <unop> Xavura, yes
[22:31] <Xavura> If anyone who knows what they are doing could skim through my xorg.conf and tell me if they see any errors, it would be most appreciated.
[22:31] <Xavura> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/489427
[22:31] <Anitox> Xavura: backup your current xorg.conf, then run Xorg -config xorg.conf to generate a new one
[22:31] <Xavura> Isn't the command to generate a new one sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[22:31] <Xavura> Or is that something different.
[22:32] <Palace_Chan2> Sorry i got disconnected
[22:32] <unop> Xavura, but nothing could be wrong with the xorg.conf file in terms of syntax -- it could just be that it is not right for your setup (which i assume it is since you aren't enjoying the experience)
[22:32] <a2008> i don't see program in gnome-system-monitor that use larger than 10% from cpu
[22:32] <Palace_Chan2> is it normal for build-essential to take a looon gtime during install on a livecd ?
[22:32] <unop> Xavura, the new xorg does not need a xorg.conf -- it tries to automagically configure itself
[22:32] <Xavura> It was fine until someone started trying to get my Graphics Card's TV Out feature working
[22:32] <Anitox> Xavura, give it a try. it might work.
[22:32] <DarkAudit> if there's a bug in the way dpkg-reconfigure sets up apt-build, is that a bug with apt-build or dpkg-reconfigure?
[22:32] <poningru> Palace_Chan2: uh... yeah
[22:32] <Xavura> So just totally delete xorg.conf and try again?
[22:32] <poningru> its giant
[22:33] <DarkAudit> Anitox: are you using a USB headset?
[22:33] <alraune> Xavura:  driver in your updated conf should be flgrx, what to you want, go back to previous state or keep calm and figure it out , maybe tomorrow ?
[22:33] <unop> Xavura, maybe not delete - but move it over to a backup
[22:33] <Xavura> How can I check if the driver is working properly?
[22:33] <__yy> Xavura: always back up xorg.conf... never blow it away completely
[22:33] <Palace_Chan2> poningru it has been stuck for a bit at preparing g++4.2 so i was a little worried
[22:33] <unop> Xavura,  sudo mv -v /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.bkp}
[22:33] <Xavura> alraune: You keep telling me flgrx
[22:33] <Xavura> Everyone else tells me something different
[22:33] <Xavura> I don't know who to listen to.
[22:33] <Xavura> What driver should I use for an ATI Radeon 7000?
[22:33] <unop> Xavura, if fglrx was working (i don't think fglrx applies to your card) you would see a mention in /var/log/xorg.0.log
[22:33] <genii> radeon
[22:34] <anonno> brb testing
[22:34] <unop> !ati
[22:34] <bug_> Anyone knows about GEEXBOX ?
[22:34] <a2008> unop and __yy_ :  i don't see program in gnome-system-monitor that use larger than 10% from cpu
[22:34] <Anitox> DarkAudit: No, I have a built in sound card on the laptop.
[22:34] <unop> a2008, but you might have 10 processes all using 10% at the same time :)
[22:34] <__yy> a2008: don't use gonme system monitor use top instead, it's more reliable
[22:35] <Xavura> Ok the xorg.conf is gone
[22:35] <Xavura> Now should I just reboot normally?
[22:35] <unop> Xavura, all you need to do is restart X
[22:35] <Anitox> Xavura: Xorg -configure xorg.conf
[22:35] <Xavura> Fatal server error:
[22:35] <Xavura> Unrecognized option: xorg.conf
[22:36] <unop> Anitox, he's not using a conf file now, Xavura
[22:36] <Anitox> Xavura: Xorg -config xorg.conf
[22:36] <Anitox> oh, ok
[22:36] <Xavura> By the way when I do ctrl+alt+backspace
[22:36] <Xavura> At first it really seems like it just isn't going to work
[22:36] <Anitox> DarkAudit: It works in linux apps, sound works in wine, but not the mic.
[22:36] <Xavura> In fact it doesn't
[22:36] <ilembitov> Hi, all. How do I clear all settings for a user?
[22:37] <Xavura> I have to do ctrl+alt+delete for it to do anything
[22:37] <JC_Denton_> I've entered this line in crontab but it doesnt seem to be working
[22:37] <unop> ilembitov, , what settings?
[22:37] <JC_Denton_> 37 23 * * * ifconfig eth0 down
[22:37] <kushalsejwal> I once mistakenly pressed ctrl+alt+F1 and it took me to a command prompt screen what was it???
[22:37] <Anitox> a command prompt
[22:37] <Anitox> terminal window, etc.
[22:37] <ilembitov> unop: all of them. As if I've booted to Ubuntu for the very first time under this user, only my files stay
[22:37] <ASULutzy1> kushalsejwal: heh, that's tty1, it's your friend. It lets you fix things when X blows up among other things ;)
[22:37] <genii> kushalsejwal: Console 1.
[22:37] <Starnestommy> kushalsejwal: a terminal
[22:38] <a2008> unop : no i haven't . my cpu t2500 and i use only bit part of this!
[22:38] <DarkAudit> Anitox: you're using the laptop's mic?
[22:38] <Anitox> DarkAudit: I've tried the built in mic and one I can plug into the mic spot.
[22:38] <unop> ilembitov, create a new home directory
[22:38] <kushalsejwal> hey is it the same terminal thats there in the application>>Assesories?
[22:38] <genii> kushalsejwal: There are consoles text only on 1 to 6 and then 7 is normally for your X to run in
[22:38] <alraune> Xavura:  as I use ATI two, i paste my xorg.conf : http://paste.ubuntu.com/27568/
[22:38] <Starnestommy> kushalsejwal: it isn't
[22:38] <lmosher> I really liked neverball.. does anyone know any other games that are similarly simple and fun?
[22:38] <kushalsejwal> the?
[22:39] <ilembitov> unop: Uh, I know that way, thought there is a more simple one
[22:39] <kushalsejwal> then?
[22:39] <DarkAudit> Anitox: the level for the mic is turned up in the mixer?
[22:39] <Anitox> DarkAudit: Yes, I can record audio with audacity.
[22:39] <Anitox> DarkAudit: I get an error from the app saying it cannot use the mic.
[22:39] <upd> hi, where can i get list of users and i want to see it which group are they
[22:40] <DarkAudit> Anitox: don't know then... I use a USB headset... sorry
[22:40] <unop> upd,  cat /etc/{passwd,group}
[22:40] <kushalsejwal> whats should I do to return from Console 1 after pressing alt +ctrl +F1?
[22:40] <unop> JC_Denton_, which crontab are you using? yours or roots?
[22:40] <lmosher> kuhyoubical, usually ctrl+alt+f7 (could be f8, f9)
[22:41] <admin_> hey guys, I have a problem with apt with a dependency, happened before and someone explained what to do quickly , possibly with --force, I don't remmber. Here's the pastebin of it http://kubuntu.pastebin.org/51666
[22:41] <Anitox> DarkAudit: in winecfg, Audio, under your ALSA Wave In, does it say your sound card, or something like dsnoop?
[22:41] <JC_Denton_> unop ran crontab as root
[22:41] <gordon__> can someoen tell me how to install java on ubuntu 8.04
[22:41] <alraune> Xavura:  i saved your xorg.conf from the beginning :http://paste.ubuntu.com/27569/
[22:41] <andresj> hey is there a way to make switching from compiz to metacity (to, say, play a 3d game), not disorganize all my windows?
[22:41] <DarkAudit> Anitox: dsnoop
[22:41] <gordon__> can someoen tell me how to install java on ubuntu 8.04
[22:41] <Anitox> DarkAudit: I think that may be the problem. Mine is saying the ID for the sound card.
[22:42] <hostile> hi
[22:42] <kushalsejwal> guys what the command to get back to normal GUI interface after pressing alt+ctrl+F1?
[22:42] <gordon__> can someoen tell me how to install java on ubuntu 8.04
[22:42] <dasy2k1> hi all, cna anyone suggest a script to remove spaces from filenames and replace them with underscores?
[22:42] <lmosher> kuhyoubical, usually ctrl+alt+f7 (could be f8, f9)
[22:42] <hostile> i removed network-manager or nw-applet from my toolbar, how to i re-add it back?
[22:42] <admin_> kushalsejwal: alt-ctrl f7
[22:42] <kushalsejwal> its ask for <myname> login :
[22:42] <dasy2k1> kushalsejwal: ctrl alt f7
[22:42] <admin_> F1's a terminal, usually F7 is where X is running kushalsejwal
[22:42] <DarkAudit> Anitox: this is originally for a USB headset, but see if it helps: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2200220013&sid=1
[22:43] <unop> JC_Denton_, it probably is better if you used /etc/crontab instead
[22:43] <gordon__> hey can someoen pm i got a qwestion
[22:43] <hostile> i removed network-manager or nw-applet from my toolbar, how to i re-add it back?
[22:43] <dasy2k1> !justask | gordon
[22:43] <admin_> hostile: run them?
[22:43] <geo_> gordon__, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[22:43] <Koolaid> Anyone LAMP server Savy?
[22:43] <hostile> im not sure
[22:43] <hostile> do you know what i mean?
[22:43] <hostile> the WiFI / Wireless Chooser -applet
[22:44] <hostile> along with Wired network,
[22:44] <figmented> is anyone familiar with the apache user "www-data"?
[22:45] <unop> dasy2k1,  for i in *" "*; do mv -vi "$i" "${i// /_}"; done  # test it out before using it
[22:45] <ASULutzy1> figmented: What about it?
[22:45] <Koolaid> registered the domain and pointed NS1.domainname.ca to my static ip, fired up BIND9 but i get nothing not even a parked page
[22:45] <wols> !tell figmented about anyone
[22:45] <Xavura> So I deleted xorg.conf and restarted like you said
[22:45] <Koolaid> apache2 is telling me that everything is ok
[22:45] <Koolaid> bind9 starts ok
[22:45] <unop> Xavura, right, so what's happening now then?
[22:45] <ilembitov> How do I delete a directory in /home/ ?
[22:45] <kushalsejwal> Is removing/ uninstalling a unneccesary software from Add/Remove application is fine>??? I heard something about Dependency hell!
[22:45] <unop> ilembitov, rm -rf ~/directory
[22:46] <hostile> ilembitov: try deluser -r <user>
[22:46] <Xavura> I'm no longer in low graphics mode
[22:46] <Xavura> but now the display issues are back
[22:46] <Xavura> also my keyboard layout is broken now
[22:46] <ilembitov> hostile: I've already deleted te user, but his /home dir stays
[22:46] <BobRock> ok
[22:46] <hostile> you can rm -rf /home/dir
[22:46] <unop> Xavura, what display issues ?
[22:46] <ilembitov> hostile: And I can't delete it with sudo rm -rf /home/dir
[22:46] <Xavura> unop: Random lines and boxes around the screen
[22:46] <hostile> do ps -u <user>
[22:47] <hostile> u might have to nuke its proccesses
[22:47] <Xavura> unop: They usually appear when activating menus
[22:47] <hostile> might have to sudo ps -u <user>
[22:47] <kushalsejwal> is my quest, stupid??  Is removing/ uninstalling a unneccesary software from Add/Remove application is fine>??? I heard something about Dependency hell!??
[22:47] <Xavura> Oh and, I can't log into my account because my keyboard layout is no longer en-GB
[22:47] <Koolaid> if ne1 wants to help out with a LAMP server Configuration please PM me
[22:47] <Xavura> and I use lots of symbols in my password..
[22:47] <Koolaid> tks
[22:47] <Xavura> and en-US or whatever this is totally messed up the symbol
[22:47]  * hostile removed network manager applet from the panel/task bar... how do i re-add it back?
[22:48] <alraune> Xavura:  i saved your xorg.conf from the beginning :http://paste.ubuntu.com/27569/
[22:48] <alraune> Xavura:  as I use ATI two, i paste my xorg.conf : http://paste.ubuntu.com/27568/
[22:48] <alraune> Xavura:  driver in your updated conf should be flgrx, what to you want, go back to previous state or keep calm and figure it out , maybe tomorrow ?
[22:48] <ilembitov> hostile: If I just reboot machine and log into another user: will I be able to delete that dir?
[22:48] <unop> Xavura, what driver is xorg using at the moment?
[22:48] <JC_Denton_> unop thanks illgive it a shot
[22:48] <Xavura> alraune: You are the ONLY person who thinks it is flgrx, everyone else says it isn't
[22:48] <Xavura> unop: How would I find out?
[22:48] <hostile> ilembitov: its a simple ps -aux | grep <user> ; kill -9 <pids user is running>
[22:49] <unop> Xavura, less /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[22:49] <unop> Xavura, and have you seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[22:49] <JC_Denton_> unop it gives me a permission denied
[22:49] <d0m1n0ez> this may be a dumb question, but I am looking for documentation for apache on their website.  I installed apache2, but I am not sure as to what version of apache the install is (ex: 2.0, or 2.2) is there a way to find out?
[22:49] <wols> d0m1n0ez: dpkg -l |grep apache
[22:50] <wols> and there is a docs package for apache too
[22:50] <hostile> damn yo
[22:50] <hostile> how am i going to pick wifi networks if network manager is not in the panel anymore
[22:50] <Xavura> unop: That file is several thousand lines long
[22:50] <hostile> :(
[22:50] <orgthingy> how can I enable "not reply to pings" feature in Firestarter?
[22:50] <Xavura> unop: What am I meant to do with several thousand lines?
[22:50] <unop> JC_Denton_, you might need to use sudo as appropriate
[22:50] <wols> !info apache2-doc
[22:50] <JoAded> why does ubuntu now set /home/USER directories to 700? That really isn't a good thing when people use /home/user/public_html
[22:50] <Palace_Chan> ok is 20 minutes stuck at preparing g++4.2 during build-essential install on a livecd still normal ?
[22:50] <bob3213243_> does anyone know anything about setting up a network printer in hardy? The printer is a Brother MFC-7420 and I can't seem to get it to print even when connected to my computer directly.
[22:50] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: I know there's a better way to find out what driver you're using, but I usually just use compiz-check
[22:50] <unop> JC_Denton_, if you ar editing it .. sudo $EDITOR /etc/crontab
[22:51] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: wget http://blogage.de/files/4359/download -O compiz-check && chmod +x compiz-check && ./compiz-check
[22:51] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: Saw a forum mod post a link to it once and I've used it since ;)
[22:51] <figmented> i'm having permission issues...i would like all files in /var/www/ to have read/write access to user "figmented" via FTP but the user for this folder is "www-data" (i want to keep default settings)...i'm using vsftpd, and it uses the local users as logins. to get what i want: should i try using a different ftp app, change the permissions to allow write access to OTHER, or change the user that apache uses to operate to "figmented"?
[22:51] <linuxkrn> Palace_Chan: no, it should only take a few minutes tops.  Check the output from "dmesg" to see if you have a hardware issue
[22:52] <SliMM> I have managed to us my hands free in Skype, but how can I specify which sound device my computer should generally use?
[22:52] <Palace_Chan> linuxkrn turns out my mouse cursor is frozen...not good
[22:52] <JC_Denton_> unop, thought I was meant to run it, edited it fine :)
[22:52] <Palace_Chan> linuxkrn where does a livecd install stuff anyways ?
[22:52] <Xavura> ASULutzy1: what is that file for and what does it do?
[22:52] <bob3213243> does anyone know anything about setting up a network printer in hardy? The printer is a Brother MFC-7420 and I can't seem to get it to print even when connected to my computer directly.
[22:52] <Xavura> There's something you can do with grep to find out what driver you are using
[22:52] <linuxkrn> Palace_Chan: to a ram filesystem (when you reboot it's all gone)
[22:53] <Xavura> Ok first things first
[22:53] <Xavura> How do I set my keyboard back to en-GB
[22:53] <avis> what type of disklabel would i use in gparted, for a ext3 formatted drive, intended to be a backup drive for a ubuntu only computer ?
[22:53] <mbrigdan> where is a good place to put scripts that I want to run on start up?
[22:53] <Xavura> I might just reinstall, worst OS experience ever
[22:53] <unop> figmented, use groups - place the vsftpd user, www-data and other users in the www-data group and assign permissions to it appropriately
[22:53] <Jordan_U> !boot | mbrigdan
[22:53] <JC_Denton_> unop worked a charm...
[22:53] <Xavura> mbrigdan: there's a special place you can put them where they execute automatically
[22:53] <JC_Denton_> unop thanks
[22:53] <unop> JC_Denton_, yw
[22:54] <JC_Denton_> unop so whats the difference between editing it and runnign crontab?
[22:54] <boston617> hey guys
[22:54] <bob3213243> does anyone know anything about setting a printer up in hardy?
[22:54] <rolf_> is there something special I need to take into account when using xrndr? It always says xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 no matter what I put on the Virtual line in my xorg.conf :-/
[22:54] <Xavura> How do I set my keyboard back to en-US? Been as though what you told me to do broke my computer some more?
[22:54] <boston617> nope
[22:54] <Xavura> en-GB
[22:54] <boston617> no u?
[22:54] <rolf_> erm, hi, too :)
[22:54] <hostile> i removed network-manager or nw-applet from my toolbar, how to i re-add it back?
[22:54] <Xavura> Then maybe I could use sudo...
[22:54] <unop> JC_Denton_, well, /etc/crontab is run by root -- so it doesn't make sense to make a another crontab for root - that was the reasoning i took
[22:55] <JC_Denton_> ah, ty
[22:55] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: That tells you what driver you're using, whether it's fglrx or vesa
[22:55] <glitsj16> hostile: isn't there a right-click option to add applets to your panel ?
[22:55] <Xavura> I can't use sudo, hello? How do I change my keyboard layout back to en-GB
[22:55] <hostile> yes but its not in there
[22:55] <hostile> is it in there for you?
[22:55] <ASULutzy1> !attitude | Xavura
[22:55] <RazorBeamz> Every microphone I try is too quiet
[22:55] <glitsj16> hostile: running without panels on xubuntu sorry
[22:55] <unop> Xavura, setxkbmap gb
[22:56] <upd> well i need some help some my friend has a problem when he copy files from mounter cd/dvd on desktop all files get only root acces how fix this ? :/
[22:56] <Babuto> hi i have a problem with my internet connection. I can't ping any website but i can't do anything else. Can anyone help me ?
[22:56] <SliMM> how can I set the device used by the system?
[22:56] <CelticLord> nuit!!
[22:56] <RazorBeamz> How can I fix my microphone so I can hear things I record
[22:56] <Xavura>  Driver in use:         radeon
[22:56] <Xavura>  Rendering method:      AIGLX
[22:56] <Xavura> Does that help?
[22:56] <Babuto> i Can ping but i can't do anything else
[22:56] <cens0red> good moaning
[22:56] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: So you're using the open source radeon driver, not ati's proprietary fglrx driver
[22:57] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: So if you thought you were using fglrx, you're doing it wrong ;)
[22:57] <unop> ASULutzy1, fglrx does not support his model
[22:57] <Xavura> ASULutzy1: Right and that means squat because?
[22:57] <hostile> boo
[22:57] <ASULutzy1> unop, Xavura: Ah, so he has to use radeon? Why not just use vesa?
[22:57] <hostile> i removed network-manager or nw-applet from my toolbar, how to i re-add it back?
[22:57] <dragon_> hellos
[22:57] <RazorBeamz> Does Ubuntu have problems with microphones? Every one I use is too quiet
[22:57] <Xavura> ASULutzy1: I've been using a bit of everything been as though I don't know wtf to do to fix this
[22:57] <Xavura> I've tried every driver
[22:57] <unop> ASULutzy1, errm, because radeon does generally perform better than vesa
[22:57] <m-c> babuto - Have you looked at the network configuration tool in the menu?
[22:58] <alraune> Xavura:  dpkg-reconfigure -a (keyb.)
[22:58] <Xavura> So, really now, I just want to go to bed, what do I need to do to fix this heap of junk?
[22:58] <BlackH007> i want to resize my partitions, but gparted doesn't give me any resize option. How come?
[22:58] <Xavura> alraune: What's that for?
[22:58] <dragon_> one of my ubuntu 8.04 machines wont connect to ethernet just today
[22:58] <upd> how can i run nautitles gtk in terminal ?
[22:58] <alraune> Xavura:  dpkg-reconfigure all, also keyboard layout
[22:58] <unop> Xavura, what screen resolution are you at now?  use xrandr to find out
[22:58] <dragon_> cause your hd is mounted
[22:59] <erichammond> RazorBeamz: Open the volume controller and check the 20 dB boost checkbox (don't have it in front of me)
[22:59] <Xavura> current 1280 x 1024
[22:59] <glitsj16> hostile: it might be the notification area that you want to re-add, right click and see if adding that solves things (getting this from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=289459)
[22:59] <m-c> dragon_ - Have you looked at the network configuration tool in the menu?
[22:59] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: So you're not in low graphics mode then, that's a plus
[22:59] <Xavura> Yep
[22:59] <coolness> what in ubuntu is dependant on mozilla?
[22:59] <Xavura> But that doesn't fix the display errors
[22:59] <slayer> xdcc send #0019
[22:59] <unop> Xavura, try a lower resolution.   xrandr -s 1280x768
[22:59] <Xavura> and teh speed
[23:00] <hostile> ok
[23:00] <Xavura> unop: No?
[23:00] <m-c> coolness: you can see this information in synaptic
[23:00] <coolness> i messed my configuration up with swiftfox and have to remove it
[23:00] <unop> Xavura, what do you mean?  no?
[23:00] <dragon_> wired network connection with self assigned address is all i get from my network applet
[23:00] <DarkAudit> there has to be some explination why apt-build install isn't installing the package it just finished compiling...
[23:00] <Xavura> unop: That resolution worked fine since I installed Ubuntu, until alraune started messing around with my xorg.conf
[23:00] <coolness> and i used a script to install it
[23:00] <Xavura> I mean no as in I am not switching resolution, I have used it for years.
[23:00] <hostile> dragon_: how did u add it
[23:00] <zamna> Babuto: can you be more specific?
[23:00] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: alraune didn't do anything to your xorg.conf, you did?
[23:00] <hostile> i removed that NM applet now i cant re-add it
[23:00] <m-c> dragon_ Have you looked at the network tools, ping, etc ?
[23:00] <Xavura> No alraunewas helping me earlier with something
[23:00] <dragon_> it was preloaded
[23:00] <coolness> can i remove everything from firefox
[23:01] <coolness> then reinstall it
[23:01] <m-c> dragon_ They are also in the menu
[23:01] <coolness> my system is pretty hosed right now
[23:01] <DarkAudit> first, dpkg did not properly set up a listing for the local repo in sources.list.d
[23:01] <Xavura> Does it really matter? What do I need to do to fix my 1) lag (refresh rate?) 2) display errors (driver? rendering method?)
[23:01] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: Right, but you were still the one who made the changes, don't blame others :) If you're having this much trouble with the radeon driver, I'd consider just using vesa and be done with it
[23:01] <dragon_> what is in menu?
[23:01] <trivium> xdcc send #0019
[23:01] <unop> Xavura, revert back to the xorg.conf you were using before you started making changes
[23:01] <Xavura> ASULutzy1: err that person pastebinned the file and I just copied it
[23:01] <Xavura> so I didn't make the changes
[23:02] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: Sure you did, you copied them in
[23:02] <Xavura> Whatever
[23:02] <Xavura> unop: I have about 30 backups of the file and I don't know which is which
[23:02] <Xavura> I have been through them all and none of them look right
[23:02] <DarkAudit> even when I corrected that problem by copying apt-build to apt-build.list, apt would still rather download and install the precompiled package as if I did apt-get instead
[23:02] <Xavura> Why does I have to go through all this crap?
[23:02] <Xavura> How hard can it be to fix?
[23:02] <RazorBeamz> Pleas quit ignoring me. I have a microphone problem. I can hardly hear anything I record.
[23:02] <unop> Xavura, each backup has a timestamp attached as the extension -- use that to approximate the time at which you were ok
[23:02] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: Just change the line driver    "radeon" to driver    "vesa" and call it a day. Hard is relative ;)
[23:02] <Xavura> unop: NO they are totally random
[23:03] <m-c> !sound |RazorBeamz
 ,Xavura:  i saved your xorg.conf from the beginning :http://paste.ubuntu.com/27569/
[23:03] <trivium> xdcc remove
[23:03] <BlackH007> gparted: what to do to get the 'resize' option enabled? boot from live-cd?
[23:03] <Xavura> alraune: that ISN'T my original
[23:03] <Xavura> I looked at it
[23:03] <Xavura> it's nothing liek it
[23:03] <unop> Xavura, they are not random - if you used dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure xorg
[23:03] <DarkAudit> apt-cache policy has both the local and remote repositories at level 500.
[23:03] <coolness> sudo rm /usr/bin/firefox sudo dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/bin/firefox sudo rm /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox sudo dpkg-divert --rename --remove /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox sudo rm -rf /opt/swiftfox will this remove it?
[23:03] <coolness> and fix things
[23:03] <bobbyd_> hi
[23:03] <Xavura> unop: yes they are I have xorg.conf.1, xorg.conf.2, xorg.conf.3
[23:03] <figmented> how do i view permissions for the group "www-data"?
[23:03] <alraune>  ,Xavura:  it is, from before we started anything today
[23:03] <coolness> i am quite sad and dismayed
[23:03] <mbrigdan> is it possible to change the strength of a DSA key?
[23:04] <Xavura> then I have xorg.conf.timestamp, xorg.conf.timestamp
[23:04] <Xavura> then I have xorg.conf.bak
[23:04] <Xavura> xorg.conf.od
[23:04] <bobbyd_> can I get Gnome to display a context menu when I drop files after dragging them just like KDE does?
[23:04] <unop> Xavura, use the first xorg.conf.timestamp one
[23:04] <hostile> THANK YOU
[23:04] <Xavura> old* Do I d to go on
[23:04] <hostile> THANK YOU
[23:04] <hostile> THANK YOU
[23:04] <FloodBot1> hostile: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:04] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: no, you need to re-generate it.
[23:04] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: alraune says he's got the original xorg.conf saved... Have you tried just using that?
[23:04] <DarkAudit> is the policy where apt is getting confused?
[23:05] <DarkAudit> I'm certain I chose the correct arch for my Athlon 64 x2
[23:05] <Xavura> I'm pretty sure I have
[23:05] <mbrigdan> linuxkrn: Thats what I mean, ssh-keygen tells me that a DSA key must be 1024 bits, but I want a stronger one
[23:05] <Xavura> I have a lot of backups and I have tried all fo them
[23:05] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: You could just use the one alraune posted and add Driver    "vesa" in the screen section...
[23:05] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: sure, use -b 2048
[23:05] <Xavura> I will try it but
[23:05] <DarkAudit> apt-build install package is supposed to install the package it *just built*, correct?
[23:05] <Xavura> I GUARANTEE YOU it will not work
[23:05] <Xavura> Then what?
 after that we installed driver from ati-side, which probably messes up with old config, I think
[23:05] <Xavura> This is a **** wild goose chase.
[23:06] <MementoMori> hi
[23:06] <MementoMori> which package has the documentation for posix/kernel API ?
[23:06] <mbrigdan> linuxkrn: thats what I tried, it tells me that I can't do that.
[23:06] <unop> Xavura, i think you need to calm down for a bit - this attidude will get you and us nowhere
[23:06] <Starnestommy> MementoMori: probably manpages-dev
[23:06] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: try -b 2048 -t rsa
[23:06] <coolness> help im so angry i messed up
[23:06] <alraune> unop :)
[23:06] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: DSA might be limited
[23:06] <Xavura> unop: This last 16 hours won't get me anywhere either will it?
[23:06] <coolness> swiftfox killed so much
[23:06] <coolness> killed firefox
[23:07] <mbrigdan> linuxkrn: that works, so i'm guessing that DSA must be restricted
[23:07] <coolness> all i wanted was the internet why is linux so easy to break
[23:07] <ASULutzy1> Xavura: It's really not that complicated. I would first try using alraune's saved xorg.conf (that he was nice enough to save for you since you didn't make a backup.) and if that doesn't work just add the line Driver    "vesa" in the screen section of xorg.conf and reset X
[23:07] <unop> Xavura, well, you have this situation on your hands -- it's better to deal with it with a cool head
[23:07] <Xavura> Not 16 hours HERE but 16 hours screwing around with this frickin' supposedly easy to use OS
[23:07] <MementoMori> i found them
[23:07] <MementoMori> aptitude install  manpage-posix  manpages-posix-dev
[23:07] <Xavura> Reset X
[23:07] <glitsj16> coolness, linux (the kernel) isn't broken, only your browser
[23:07] <Xavura> If I had a counter it would be in triple digits now
[23:07] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: yeah, I use RSA myself, so guess DSA is
[23:07] <SebNaitsabes> Xvura:  X problems yes?
[23:07] <Xavura> Right I'll try it and I'll be back when it doesn't work
[23:07] <_empemp_> i can't get norwegian layout on my computer running ubuntu 8.04, tried a lot of different settings, anyone knows what i can do?
[23:07] <Xavura> This is pathetic
[23:07] <SebNaitsabes> empemp yes
[23:07] <SebNaitsabes> I got an idea
[23:07] <ASULutzy1> !attitude | Xavura
[23:08] <alraune> xavura: come back tomorrow, 16 hours are likely 12 to much, work with pc, not against :)
[23:08] <coolness> firefox-3.0 is already the newest version.
[23:08] <Xavura> I'm not saying you guys or your answers are pathetic
[23:08] <Xavura> I'm saying THIS
[23:08] <_empemp_> SebNaitsabes: what u suggest?
[23:08] <Xavura> The situation of nothing working for me
[23:08] <mbrigdan> linuxkrn: how big is your RSA key? Mine is 16384 bits :P
[23:08] <SebNaitsabes> _empemp_:  add the language thing  to the panel
[23:08] <Xavura> Learn to interpret what people say
[23:08] <coolness> but when i try to run it bash: firefox: command not found
[23:08] <FloodBot1> Xavura: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:08] <Myrtti> Xavura: cool down
[23:08] <_empemp_> SebNaitsabes: tried the most of the settings
[23:08] <Xavura> No.
[23:08] <ASULutzy1> lol well that wasn't bright :)
[23:08] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: lol, no point in going over 4096, it will also effect your ssh speeds with larger keys (just fyi)
[23:08] <SebNaitsabes> _empemp_:  the panel as in the top or bottom bar with a deafult Ubutnu
[23:08] <ASULutzy1> Ok, gotta go to class, take care all :)
[23:09] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: remember, your key is used to encrypt everything, larger key = more cpu cycles = slower ssh/scp
[23:09] <SebNaitsabes> _empemp_: also you can system preferences keyboard  and then go to layout in that
[23:09] <coolness> what is the "better" tool to use aptitude ot apt-get?
[23:09] <mbrigdan> linuxkrn: I was told that it woudn't, and I like the security that being told that all the worlds governments working together would need 10-20 years to break my key gives me.
[23:10] <dasy2k1> can somone help me debug this simple bash script http://paste.ubuntu.com/27574/
[23:10] <mbrigdan> *world's
[23:10] <unop> coolness, it depends on the task at hand -- use apt-get whereever possible
[23:10] <Jack_Sparrow> dasy2k1 Please /join #bash
[23:10] <_empemp_> SebNaitsabes: tried all that, still nothing
[23:10] <coolness> ok ty
[23:10] <ASULutzy1> linuxkrn, mbrigdan: I think it scales linearly, around O(n)
[23:10] <dasy2k1> Jack_Sparrow: ok will do
[23:10] <RazorBeamz> I tried everything and my microphone is still quiet and crackly.
[23:10] <SebNaitsabes> _empemp_: you have to add noweigion language into that your self yes
[23:10] <coolness> well here i am fixing firefox well removing anything firefox then reinstalling it
[23:10] <SebNaitsabes> !language
[23:10] <SebNaitsabes> no
[23:10] <SebNaitsabes> not that uhmmmm
[23:10] <_empemp_> SebNaitsabes: it says that i have norwegian language chosen
[23:10] <figmented> is it possible to change the default user "www-data" that apache uses to run its processes?
[23:11] <DarkAudit> the only explanation to why apt-build is not properly installing the package it just built is either a) I forgot to configure something (the likely answer) or b) the automatic configuration of apt-build is completely broken (part of it obviously is). But... I've been talking to myself in here, #kubuntu, and the forums. Google's been no help, either. Am i even in the right *galaxy* to finding a solution here?
[23:11] <_empemp_> still no special characeters
[23:11] <unop> dasy2k1,  file=$(basename $file)
[23:11] <Shpook> How do I keep my laptop from disconnecting from my wireless network when the lid is closed and the screen saver comes on?
[23:11] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: test it out for yourself, doesn't hurt anything to run ssh-keygen.  Also, remember your passphrase is very critical to good security.
[23:11] <SebNaitsabes> and you have to flick between the langauge with the language bar
[23:11] <coolness> i do japanese and english
[23:11] <SebNaitsabes> I got GBR and SWE :)
[23:11] <SebNaitsabes> English and Swedish
[23:12] <linuxkrn> iirc it was more of a OLog(n)
[23:12] <mbrigdan> linuxkrn: don't people only need the passphrase if they have the key? I just use the same as my user password, which is reasonably secure. (letters, numbers, symbols, nice length)
[23:12] <coolness> so is firefox2 better than firefox3 for flash movies and youtube and all?
[23:12] <zamna> I know some maya ;-)
[23:12] <Palace_Chan> i finally got ms-sys on the livecd, but when i run ms-sys -m/dev/sda (to fix boot problem with grub error 17) i get no such file found
[23:12] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: I use over 256 characters in my pass"phrase"
[23:12] <Palace_Chan> am i suppose to run that in some particular directory ?
[23:12] <dasy2k1> thanks unop
[23:13] <zamna> coolnes: try reinstalling firefox first
[23:13] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: most governments can't crack > 1024 keys now anyway, they just go after the user for the passphrase
[23:13] <unop> dasy2k1, it's easier to do this.   for i in *.ts; do ffmpeg -i "$i" ..... "${i//.ts/.avi}"; done
[23:13] <mbrigdan> linuxkrn: holy crap. o.O Isn't the password useless to anyone that doesn't have the key though?
[23:14] <unop> dasy2k1, ..... meaning the options you are using to ffmpeg
[23:14] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: correct.  This is getting offtopic, go read wiki about pki =)
[23:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Palace_Chan are you mixing ide and sata drives?
[23:14] <coolness> i love synaptic
[23:14] <coolness> it fixed everything for me
[23:14] <Xavura> How the hell do I sudo as someone who I'm not logged in as
[23:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Xavura Please watch the language
[23:14] <coolness> if there are any developers here thank you for such an amazing distribution
[23:14] <dasy2k1> thanks a lot unop i will do it that way
[23:14] <upd> can someone tell me some other file browser like nautiles
[23:14] <__yy_> Xavura: su otherusername , then enter their password
[23:14] <upd> ?
[23:14] <unop> Palace_Chan, why are you using ms-sys - it is no longer supported
[23:14] <Palace_Chan> Jack_Sparrow im not sure i understand that
[23:14] <SebNaitsabes> !language Xavura
[23:14] <zod21> xavura what
[23:15] <__yy_> Xavura: or sudo su otherusername , then enter your password
[23:15] <DarkAudit> *tap* *tap* *tap* is this thing on?
[23:15] <SebNaitsabes> !language | Xavura
[23:15] <dasy2k1> upd dolphin
[23:15] <zod21> haha
[23:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Palace_Chan how many drives on your system?
[23:15] <upd> okey thanks
[23:15] <Palace_Chan> unop because i cant boot my computer
[23:15] <unop> Palace_Chan, it is easier to repair grub using grub itself
[23:15] <Xavura> !language SebNaitsabes
[23:15] <unop> !grub | Palace_Chan
[23:15] <dragon_> anyone know much about networking on ubuntu 8.04?
[23:15] <zod21> fuck
[23:15] <Xavura> I saw it the FIRST time
[23:15] <Soul_Sample> need help regarding twinview on nvidia (monitor and tv) problem: no colour on tv, reason: probably ntsc\pal settings, but i don't know how to set those up
[23:15] <Palace_Chan> Jack_Sparrow, one physical disk with two partition
[23:15] <SebNaitsabes> !botabuse | Xavura
[23:15] <ProwL> upd: some popular file managers include rox-filer, and pcmanfm. I'm personally fond of emelfm.
[23:16] <bob3213243> what is the best way to video chat with another ubuntu computer?
[23:16] <Jack_Sparrow> bob3213243 skype
[23:16] <DarkAudit> does no one use apt-build anymore?
[23:16] <dasy2k1> !language | zod21
[23:16] <dragon_> can anyone please help
[23:16] <Xavura> I am assuming the guy who said the f word didn't get /sapart-ed
[23:16] <Xavura> But I did
[23:16] <linuxkrn> bob3213243: ekgia
[23:16] <Xavura> for saying hell which isn't even swearing
[23:16] <Xavura> Kids are allowed to say it at School
[23:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Xavura He has been KB'd..
[23:17] <Shpook> okay, zod deserved that, but Xavura said nothing wrong
[23:17] <Xavura> Ok...
[23:17] <upd> okey cool
[23:17] <bob3213243> jack_sparrow I have tried to download and install skype but the only installer they offered for ubuntu was in fact a .deb which I can't load.
[23:17] <remitaylor> Does anyone know how the new "Sharing Options" works?  Where do the share configs get persisted to?  I can't find anything in my home dir after sharing folders (and it seems to be user-specific)
[23:17] <unop> bob3213243, how did you try and install this .deb file?
[23:17] <Jack_Sparrow> bob3213243 32 bit skype?
[23:18] <outofretirement> has any1 used the program unetbootin 241
[23:18] <dasy2k1> !u | outofretirement
[23:18] <dragon_> is there another chat I should be in for help with ubuntu 8.04?
[23:18] <SebNaitsabes> dragon
[23:18] <SebNaitsabes> you can try
[23:18] <SebNaitsabes> #club-ubuntu
[23:18] <Jack_Sparrow> bob3213243 you should be able to get skype from medibuntu
[23:18] <Myrtti> dragon_: this is it
[23:19] <Jack_Sparrow> !skype
[23:19] <Starnestommy> dragon_: this is the right channel
[23:19] <Soul_Sample> need help regarding twinview on nvidia (monitor and tv) problem: no colour on tv, reason: probably ntsc\pal settings, but i don't know how to set those up
[23:19] <dasy2k1> dragon_: cant think of anywhere better
[23:19] <dragon_> so how do i geyt help?
[23:19] <Pici> dragon_: just ask.
[23:19] <dragon_> i have : )
[23:19] <outofretirement> that is what it is called
[23:19] <linuxkrn> Soul_Sample: did you try nvidia-settings?
[23:19] <SebNaitsabes> dragon: #club-ubuntu is a more friendly channel and that's good to for support
[23:19] <bobbyd_> dragon_: your question was vague, ask something specific
[23:19] <Pici> SebNaitsabes: Please don't advertize channels in here.
[23:19] <phantom> I'm trying to install Photoshop with Wine. Is there any good tut or shal i stop trying.
[23:19] <Jack_Sparrow> SebNaitsabes Please stop pimping your channel
[23:20] <dragon_> wired network  with self assigned address
[23:20] <SebNaitsabes> heh only my channel as of like yesterday
[23:20] <dragon_> is all i get
[23:20] <dasy2k1> !gimpshop | phantom
[23:20] <DarkAudit> first things first. If I install apt-build, and use the command sudo apt-build install (package), is the locally built package going to be the one installed ot not?
[23:20] <Jack_Sparrow> phantom yes, /join #winehq  or look in appdb
[23:20] <outofretirement> ubottu feels like an idiot
[23:20] <bob3213243> unop jack_sparrow I downloaded it from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ and I just told it to open with Gdebi and it said it wasn't valid architecture.
[23:20] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: yes, that is how i set up the picture, but it has no ntsc\pal settings, and i know that my tv has to be set to pal-g
[23:20] <dragon_> regardless of if ethernet is pluged in or not
[23:20] <m-c> Is there a good introduction for using icecast2 in Ubuntu?
[23:20] <Palace_Chan> so apparently ms-sys -m will write a windows MBR to device
[23:20] <outofretirement> ok it is ok im sorry for my rude comment
[23:20] <andresj> ubottu: haha
[23:21] <Pici> Please don't abuse the bot.
[23:21] <unop> bob3213243, better to use skype available from the medibuntu repos -- Jack_Sparrow has already shown how to setup skype on ubuntu
[23:21] <dragon_> any one know?
Thanx
[23:21] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[23:21] <Kenny> hey there, where is the ubuntu live cd, i cant find it on the website
[23:21] <andresj> i was just laughing at wat happend :)
[23:21] <dragon_> uubuntu is live
[23:21] <bob3213243> unop I missed that then.
[23:21] <dragon_> download the normal cd and it will e live
[23:21] <unop> !skype > bob3213243
[23:21] <linuxkrn> Soul_Sample: some cards don't support pal, might need to confirm it does with the tech specs.
[23:22] <unop> !grub > Palace_Chan
[23:22] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: i had the same graphic card set up on windows xp before switching to ubuntu
[23:22] <dragon_> *sigh*
[23:22] <unop> Palace_Chan, use grub as we can support you if you use it -- ms-sys is no longer supported
[23:22] <dragon_> what was the more friendly ubuntu club channel again?
[23:22] <Kenny> dragon_ i mean the cd which u dont hav to install, but boot from cd
[23:22] <dragon_> yes kenny
[23:22] <dragon_> the normal download is a live cd
[23:23] <SebNaitsabes> dragon: i'l tell you in private since the mods won't like it if I say again here
[23:23] <Kenny> dragon_ and where is the install cd then?
[23:23] <dasy2k1> Kenny:  they are one and the same
[23:23] <Kenny> dasy2k1: oh, ok....
[23:23] <dasy2k1> Kenny: you run it as a live cd and if you want to install there is an icon on the desktop to do so
[23:24] <DarkAudit> !hello
[23:24] <linuxkrn> Soul_Sample: ok, then try adding to your xorg.conf nvidia driver section: Option      "TVStandard" "PAL-G"
[23:24] <unop> Kenny, there is an alternate CD which gives you a ncurses based installer
[23:24] <kooldude> does anyone here use ekiga softphone?
[23:24] <up_the_irons> anyone know of a CalDAV program that works on Linux and can access an OS X Calendar Server ?
[23:24] <dragon_> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download kenny
[23:24] <unop> up_the_irons, i'm pretty sure evolution has those capabilities
[23:24] <Beererde> hi. i installed ubuntu server, now i have no graphics environment. how do i start the graphics detection? I installed gnome-desktop-environment
[23:24] <Kenny> where do i check for drivers for my hardware? so i can get them before installing ubuntu
[23:25] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: to what section precisely? i tried adding to a couple of them, and all i got is a blank tv and my own monitor switched to 640x480 and the os forgot i was using nvidia and switched to vesa
[23:25] <unop> Beererde, you need the ubuntu-desktop package
[23:25] <dasy2k1> Kenny:  most of them will be autorecognised unless you have somthing very strange
[23:25] <Beererde> unop: thx
[23:25] <samrose> TheSheep: is there an easy way to install all c-libraries in one shot?
[23:25] <dasy2k1> Kenny:  just boot the cd and see what works out of the box, 90% of harware will
[23:26] <Kenny> dasy2k1: really? dont i need drivers anymore for linux/ubuntu? that would be too good
[23:26] <unop> samrose, libraries for what purpose tho? there are hundreds, if not thousands of them
[23:26] <linuxkrn> Soul_Sample: needs to go in the "Device" for your card.  Also note that max res using tvout will be 720x480.
[23:26] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: max res on my monitor or on the tv?
[23:26] <Kenny> dasy2k1: where do i check if my hardware works? is there a hardware center, or something?
[23:27] <dasy2k1> Kenny:  all harware needs drivers, just ubuntu is normally cleaver enough to know what dirvers it needs and the first thing it will normally ask is do you wnat to install them
[23:27] <samrose> unop: are there maybe groups of them that can be installed in chunks. I just feel like I am doing it in a slower way by doing them one at a time each time I try to install an application, thoughtmaybe i was missing something
[23:27] <dasy2k1> !hcl | kenny
[23:27] <Gaming4JC> Hmm Anyone know a good SVN GUI that is simple to use?
[23:27] <Koolaid> any one help out with a LAMP Server?
[23:27] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: here is my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/27583/
[23:27] <linuxkrn> Soul_Sample: on the TV, it's a limitation of the signal type.
[23:27] <samrose> koolaid: I have one running
[23:27] <noldon> hi i have a question can i edit grub so i have the choise to choose to boot from cd instead of win or lin
[23:27] <Pici> dragon_: Did your networking just stop working today?
[23:27] <Koolaid> nice
[23:27] <samrose> unop: i think it is just a fantasy in my nind
[23:27] <samrose> mind
[23:28] <unop> samrose, if you want to install the necessary libraries to build an application -- just do    sudo apt-get build-dep package_name
[23:28] <figmented> how can you change the default user for apache?
[23:28] <hagus> If anyone seess pavel, could they please tell him that I greatly appreciate his help and expertise.
[23:28] <bobbyd_> noldon: that's usually part of your bios settings
[23:28] <Koolaid> im noobin it a little trying to get one going, i have two sites registered and need to get them up quickly
[23:28] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: i know that, it was the same on the pc. but the last time i was here i got the same advice to add that line to the Device section and everything kind of messed up... maybe it's the wrong section, i have a separate for the tv, as far as i understand xorg.conf
[23:28] <unop> samrose, say if you are building firefox.   sudo apt-get build-dep firefox
[23:28] <Koolaid> i think ive messed up in my dns config some where
[23:28] <Gaming4JC> SVN= "Subversion (Version Control for Source Code)". Is there one from Ubuntu? :)
[23:28] <dasy2k1> noldon: if you bois is set accordingly any bootable cd inserted will boot before it even gets to grub
[23:28] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: it was the same on Windows, i meant to say
[23:28] <alraune> noldon: I never tried, but should work
[23:28] <Kitu> BN
[23:28] <Shpook> Whenever I close my laptop lid, it disconnects from my wireless a few minutes later. Is there a way to change this?
[23:28] <samrose> unop: thanks, will not work with present apphttp://mapnik.org/ but will work with other stuff I am sure
[23:28] <Koolaid> can u pm me samrose?
[23:28] <hagus> pv|l helped me a lot over the last couple of evenings.
[23:29] <hagus> I now have my Vista and Ubuntu back.
[23:29] <noldon> i know i have my bios set to boot from hdd 1st and then from cd/dvd bur cuz of grub he dosnt check if i have a bootable cd
[23:29] <Pici> Gaming4JC: The package name is subversion
[23:29] <samrose> Koolaid: I am going to leave pc soon, so you may want to post question here
[23:29] <linuxkrn> Soul_Sample: Where is the PAL-G option?
[23:29] <dasy2k1> Shpook:  sounds like your powersaving setting turn off wireless when you suspend (close the lid)
[23:29] <unop> samrose, installing all libraries possible would be extremely ineffecient -- if you are building something exotic, examine their requirements .. ususally the source folder has a README / INSTALL file that dictates what libraries need installing
[23:29] <noldon> maybe i should set to boot from cd firts and then hdd
[23:29] <bobbyd_> Shpook: is the laptop going into suspend
[23:29] <noldon> first
[23:29] <Gaming4JC> Pici: I found that, but I'm also looking for a good GUI
[23:30] <samrose> unop: that makes sense
[23:30] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: there is no pal-g option. it never appeared, not even the ntsc line, nothing
[23:30] <alraune> noldon: I never tried, but should work, you would have to add a line to menu.lst
[23:30] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: and wherever i add it, things mess up
[23:30] <dasy2k1> noldon: if you set it to boot from cd first then it will try that, if there is no bootable cd it will boot from HD and load grub
[23:30] <Gaming4JC> I may have found something... bzr is a svn GUI :)
[23:30] <noldon> ok
[23:30] <kooldude> does anyone wan't to chat via ekiga?
[23:30]  * dasy2k1 has left his microphone in the attic
[23:30] <Shpook> dasy2k1, bobbyd_: That's what I was thinking, but it's not going into suspend, just blank screen.
[23:31] <noldon> well but it would be kinda cool to edit menu.lst so i could make the choise in grub
[23:31] <bobbyd_> dasy2k1: is probably right then, I don't know how to sort it out though
[23:31] <linuxkrn> Soul_Sample: back up your file, then try adding it to the Device section (Videocard0), might also try adding Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"
[23:31] <Shpook> Me neither. :-) Thank you though.
[23:31] <pteeb> anyone else open up facebook and the font is all wacked up? i installed msttcorefont package, even tahoma font
[23:32] <DarkAudit> what the bleep am I doing wrong here with apt-build? It *looks* like dpkg set it up correctly, but when I do sudo apt-build install package, the package that just got built is ignored in favor of the regular repository version. What did I miss here??
[23:32] <linuxkrn> Soul_Sample: check the nvidia readme for complete list of options.
[23:33] <Shpook> I made sure my power settings only blank the screen when I close the lid. I don't see an option anywhere for disabling wireless on lid close, but that just in the GUI. I'm sure there's a way behind the scens.
[23:33] <Shpook> scenes*
[23:33] <ffffffffffffffff>  	/msg LeGeND|NeWS|107 XDCC SEND #30
[23:33] <unop> DarkAudit, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html
[23:33] <Soul_Sample> linuxkrn: ok, just to be sure, once again - where do i add what?
[23:33] <up_the_irons> unop: i've tried Evolution and Thunderbird/Lightning, neither will connect w/o errors to my calendar server, even though i give 'em the same URL that iCal (on OS X) has
[23:33] <Kenny> where is the area for tablet support ?
[23:33] <pteeb> anyone else open up facebook in firefox and the font is all wacked up? i installed msttcorefont package, even tahoma font. also lucida grande
[23:34] <Pici> !list
[23:34] <alraune> noldon: easiest way : maybe i should set to boot from cd firts and then hdd, put in cd or not
[23:34] <Cale> Which package do I install to get a non-beta 3.0 firefox?
[23:34] <alraune> noldon: easiest way : maybe i should set to boot from cd firts and then hdd, put in cd or not
[23:34] <unop> !firefox3 | Cale
[23:34] <alraune> cale : apt-get install firefox
[23:35] <noldon> yeah it probebly is! but that isnt as fun  :P
[23:35] <debCarlos> Hey! Have anyone here tried Jabber? Is it good?
[23:35] <Palace_Chan> i deleted my linux partition and now i cant boot...i get grub loading.. grub error 17, im on an ubuntu live cd right now, how can i use ms-sys to fix that ?
[23:35] <DarkAudit> unop: that's not the problem. It's after the package is built and ready to install. It's installing from the wrong place.
[23:35] <MattJ> debCarlos: Very good :)
[23:36] <alraune> noldon : shall we try ?
[23:36] <MattJ> debCarlos: Join ##jabber if you like
[23:36] <unop> DarkAudit, your build process creates a .deb file ..  just do.   sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[23:36] <Palace_Chan> like, for partition 1 windows to just boot automatically
[23:36] <linxeh> debCarlos: google talk is jabber
[23:36] <debCarlos> Mattj: Thanks!
[23:36] <linxeh> debCarlos: so lots of people use it
[23:36] <unop> Palace_Chan, how do you expect to boot linux if the partition has been deleted?
[23:36] <noldon> alraune, ?
[23:36] <cdehaan> Hello! I was wondering if anyone could point me to a 'howto' on getting sound functioning in Ubuntu 8.04 Server LTS? Sound works out-of-the-box on 8.04 Standard, but I want the sound daemon on a Server install.
[23:36] <Palace_Chan> unop i dont, but i would like windows to boot
[23:36] <ansque> I have a little probem
[23:37] <alraune> noldon : shall we try adding a line to menu.lst ?
[23:37] <noldon> sure
[23:37] <seraphin_> hey
[23:37] <unop> Palace_Chan, please ask in #windows how to repair the MBR and boot record then
[23:37] <seraphin_> i have a question
[23:37] <andresj> hey are there any plans to make the default messenger in ubuntu (pidgin) have video chat support for windows live messenger and/or yahoo?
[23:37] <Palace_Chan> unop alright
[23:37] <DarkAudit> unop: but since my local folder is in sources.list, shouldn't apt-build go there to install the package it just built? Isn't that how apt-build install is supposed to work?
[23:37] <linuxkrn> Palace_Chan: you're going to have to find a windows CD and do a fdisk /mbr or fixmbr
[23:37] <seraphin_> how to prevent ubuntu from downloading/installing kernel updates?
[23:38] <ansque> i Have a problem cause i want compilate rhythmbox 0.11.6 but when I make ./configure i see this: : http://wklej.org/id/4b1f99b920 ? Someone can help me?
[23:38] <mbrigdan> is it possible to encrypt a file with an RSA key?
[23:38] <alraune> noldon : open a terminal as root
[23:38] <unop> DarkAudit, if you are using a local repository -- you must pin it at a higher priority so that packages from it are preferred over ones at the normal repository
[23:38] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: not an ssh key, but using gpg keys yes
[23:38] <unop> DarkAudit, I have no idea what apt-build is or does
[23:39] <zeeeee> i'm trying to get online via wireless, i can "iwlist scan", but i can't seem to get a connection after entering "iwconfig wlan0 essid blah" - any hints?
[23:39] <mbrigdan> linuxkrn: how do I generate a gpg key?
[23:39] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: got a GUI?
[23:39] <alraune> unop ?
[23:40] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: if so, use NetworkManager
[23:40] <unop> mbrigdan, you can use openssl to encrypt a file with RSA encryption -- see its manpage
[23:40] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, i have kubuntu
[23:40] <unop> alraune, yes?
[23:40] <linuxkrn> mbrigdan: gpg --gen-key
[23:40] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, can i still use network manager?
[23:40] <Shpook> zeeeee: try adding an x to the end of the ssid
[23:40] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: Yep
[23:40] <noldon> ok done
[23:40] <alraune> unop : sry messed your name with another, sry
[23:40] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: it should come by default, if not, just install it
[23:41] <alraune> noldon ?
[23:41] <unop> ansque, what version of ubuntu are you on?
[23:41] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, i can't install it because i have no internet :)
[23:41] <ansque> 8.04
[23:41] <ansque> unop: 8.04
[23:41] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: to do it from the command line, you need to make sure the interface is up "ifconfig <interface> up" then get an ip address "dhclient <interface>"
[23:41] <noldon> im in a terminal with root and had vim /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:41] <zeeeee> Shpook, nope, adding an x to the essid did not work... (dhclient still not getting anything)
[23:42] <Palace_Chan> unop, if i just want xp to boot automatically (im giving my laptop away that's why) is this link still what im after ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[23:42] <unop> ansque, try this command, then attempt to build again.   sudo aptitude install pkg-config; sudo apt-get build-dep rhythmbox
[23:42] <Palace_Chan> think you gave it to me earlier
[23:42] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, that's the thing, i can't get an ip address via dhclient
[23:42] <alraune> noldon : backup menu-lst first
[23:42] <Cale> Huh, I have the firefox package installed, and it appears to be 3.0.1 beta rather than 3.0 stable.
[23:42] <Shpook> zeeeee: When you enter "iwconfig wlan0 essid blah" try changing "blah" to "blahx" Just add an x to the end of the network name.
[23:42] <zeeeee> Shpook, yes that's what i just tried
[23:42] <Shpook> zeeeee: Oh. Sorry, didn't look up before I hit enter. :-)
[23:42] <alraune> noldon : close vi(m)
[23:42] <upd> okey, one question, when i copy files from some mounted device on desktop files get changed icon to 'locked' what is that ? so if a want write in this files i must change permissions->access->read and write
[23:42] <noldon> why?
[23:43] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: are you sure you've got the right interface?
[23:43] <unop> Palace_Chan, that won't work as grub needs a valid linux /boot partition to save changes relating to chain-loading for windows -- and since you don't have it, you need to either replace the bootloader at the MBR with the windows one or use another 3rd party bootloader -- support for both is beyond this channel
[23:43] <ansque> unop: but in repo is Rhythmbox 0.10.5. I want version 0.10.6 and i have source and I want compilate this source
[23:43] <alraune> noldon : type   : cp /boot/grub/menu.lst  /boot/grub/menu.lstgood
[23:43] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, i think so.  i just see lo, eth0, wmaster0, and wlan0
[23:43] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, i've been working with wlan0
[23:43] <noldon> done that
[23:43] <bobbyd_> do iwconfig on it's own and see which ones have wireless interfaces, just to check :)
[23:43] <unop> ansque, this does not install rhythmbox, it only sets up the build environment so you can successfully build it
[23:44] <linuxkrn> upd: copying from a CD/DVD ROM they will be read-only by default, so yes you have to change them.
[23:44] <alraune> noldon : type   : gedit  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:44] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, that's the only one with wireless interface
[23:44] <ansque> unop: ok, i do what you said
[23:44] <MTecknology> I have ubuntu iso's put into a cdshell iso. I can use "diskemu ubuntu.iso" to launch the iso. It looks like it's going to work ok, but then this happens. http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshottestrunningviav2.png  I think what I need to do is make ubuntu look at the iso of itself instead of the cd drive itself. any ideas for how to do that?
[23:44] <noldon> why gedit? i prefer vim
[23:44] <zeeeee> noldon, vim ftw
[23:44] <alraune> noldon : type   : vim  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:44] <noldon> ftw?
[23:44] <zeeeee> noldon, for the win
[23:44] <mbrigdan> what is a good program for encrypting files, using plain symmetric key encryption?
[23:44] <unop> ansque, now, issue a make clean in the source directory.    make clean; ./configure; make ......
[23:44] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: plug in a cable?
[23:45] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, hah
[23:45] <noldon> zeeeee, ?
[23:45] <Jack_Sparrow> MTecknology If you are trying to install then you are going to have an uphill battle.
[23:45] <unop> mbrigdan, openssl (i already said so)
[23:45] <Jack_Sparrow> !install
[23:45] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, so i guess no more ideas
[23:45] <alraune> noldon : shall we go dialog for longer pastings ?
[23:45] <upd> linuxkrn, can i change this to auto becouse i don't want all time change permissions
[23:45] <noldon> ok
[23:45] <MTecknology> Jack_Sparrow, actually - considering what i've been through - i don't think it can get much steeper
[23:46] <mbrigdan> unop, openssl is for public/private keys, i'm looking for a program where it just protects the files with one key.
[23:46] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: check you're in the right mode (managed) and that you have the right essid, encryption mode, encryption key, channel etc.
[23:46] <linuxkrn> upd: it will copy the file, and permissions, from the source.  Your source on CD/DVD-ROM is always read-only.
[23:46] <d0m1n0ez> How do I change the default www directory location, there is no "DocumentRoot 'blahblah'" in my apache2.conf file
[23:46] <unop> mbrigdan, openssl does non public key encryption too
[23:46] <orangefly> anyone know a reason that hardy would make a dell vostro keep restarting after install....nvidia 8600 video card, if it matters....
[23:46] <Jack_Sparrow> MTecknology usb stick is easier
[23:46] <unop> mbrigdan, man openssl
[23:46] <WelshDragon> How can i kill a process is "killall -s KILL process" isn't killing it?
[23:46] <unop> mbrigdan, http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/#encrypt-simple
[23:46] <Guest17345> which is lighter on ram xubuntu or knoppix?
[23:46] <mbrigdan> unop, thanks
[23:46] <genii> xubuntu
[23:47] <MTecknology> Jack_Sparrow, i want multiple versions of linux on one dvd - 4 ubuntu versions and 3 others
[23:47] <Guest17345> thanks
[23:47] <genii> Guest17345: xubuntu, since knoppix uses heavier KDE window manager
[23:47] <Cale> The version which the firefox-3.0 package on my system tells me is "Version: 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>". I just want the "3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>" which was installed before the last update, is there a handy way to tell it I don't want the beta?
[23:47] <clouder`grr> d0m1n0ez: apache2 uses config files for each site, check /etc/apache2/sites-available/default I think it is
[23:47] <unop> WelshDragon, killall -9 process
[23:47] <bobbyd_> d0m1n0ez: sites-available/default
[23:47] <unop> WelshDragon, make sure you have the process name right tho
[23:47] <Guest17345> i'm using xubuntu right now. its my favorite distro so far
[23:48] <Weiss> why does it appear that linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic has moved from 'main' to 'universe' during a very recent apt-get update? http://paste.ubuntu.com/27585/
[23:48] <WelshDragon> unop, still doesn't work, process is still running.
[23:48] <SPYderZ> someone pls help me. i installed firefox 2 together with firefox 3 because aptana is only working iwth ff2. so now if i want to launch either one, firefox sais that firefox is already running, but there is no firefox process. what do i do?
[23:48] <unop> d0m1n0ez, clouder`grr, err .. sites in /etc/apache2/sites-available are not enabled .. the ones in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled are
[23:48] <unop> WelshDragon, any errors returned by killall?
[23:49] <d0m1n0ez> oh ok thanks I see the config file, I thought it was in apache2.conf
[23:49] <WelshDragon> Nothing unop, just gives me terminal as if it has been killed, but it's still running.
[23:49] <SPYderZ> anyone?
[23:49] <unop> WelshDragon, use kill on the PID of the process then
[23:49] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, i'm in the right mode, there's no encryption
[23:49] <linuxkrn> udp: if you use the command line, you can override copy attributes with cp --no-preserve=mode
[23:49] <zeeeee> bobbyd_, not sure how to check about the channel and stuff
[23:50] <Guest17345> does anyone know how to change the startup defaults in xubuntu?
[23:50] <WelshDragon> unop: same thing :(
[23:50] <bobbyd_> zeeeee: dunno, it should just work out of the box, connect a cable and install network manager :)
[23:50] <unop> WelshDragon, i assume you tried  kill -9 $PID
[23:50] <unop> ?
[23:50] <andresj> hey is there a way to make switching from compiz to metacity (to, say, play a 3d game), not send all my windows to desktop 1?
[23:50] <SPYderZ> omeone pls help me. i installed firefox 2 together with firefox 3 because aptana is only working iwth ff2. so now if i want to launch either one, firefox sais that firefox is already running, but there is no firefox process. what do i do?
[23:50] <WelshDragon> unop, Yup
[23:50] <unop> WelshDragon,  are you the owner of this process? you might need to use sudo if not
[23:50] <WelshDragon> I'm logged in as root unop
[23:51] <unop> WelshDragon,  ok..   ps aux | grep -i $PID  # lets have a look at this
[23:51] <linuxkrn> SPYderZ: you should setup a different profile for FF2/FF3 to use.
[23:51] <SPYderZ> linuxkrn: how do i do that?
[23:51] <kuhyoubical> has anyone read rute?
[23:52] <linuxkrn> SPYderZ: firefox -ProfileManager
[23:52] <debCarlos> SPYderZ: Werid, did you installed them normally (Without compiling) ?
[23:52] <bobbyd_> andresj: you don't need to disable compiz to play 3d games, or at least I don't
[23:52] <WelshDragon> unop, i got 3 lines outputted, one of them being that process, and 2 other processes aswell.
[23:52] <SPYderZ> linuxkrn: thanks
[23:52] <unop> WelshDragon, put them up on a pastebin
[23:52] <ansque> unop: what i should install if he want glib-2.0?
[23:52] <SPYderZ> and how do i automaticly start it with the profile?
[23:52] <Jack_Sparrow> bobbyd_ Most people do if they want good performance
[23:52] <linuxkrn> SPYderZ: you're welcome
[23:53] <linuxkrn> SPYderZ: firefox -P <your profile name>
[23:53] <WelshDragon> kk
[23:53] <SPYderZ> thanks
[23:53] <andresj> bobbyd_: 1) what Jack_Sparrow said 2) compiz reverts fullscreen games such as sauerbraten to 1024x768 windows, for an unknown reason
[23:53] <troythetechguy> I'm doing a clean install of 8.04, and want a /, /home, swap, and another partition for trying future releases.  How big should I make my partitions?
[23:53] <unop> ansque, look for packages named like this  glib.*-dev    aptitude search glib.*-dev
[23:53] <andresj> i mean, in my system
[23:53] <WelshDragon> unop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27588/
[23:54] <andresj> troythetechguy: depends on how much do u have available :)
[23:54] <unop> ansque, and you should find   libglib2.0-dev  listed there (the one you want)
[23:54] <debCarlos> troythetechguy: How much diskpace do you have?
[23:54] <troythetechguy> andresj: Sorry, I forgot that information.  I have a 160GB drive.
[23:54] <meoblast001> hi
[23:55] <meoblast001> i just launched mysql and got "InnoDB: unable to lock ./ibdata1, error:11" what do i do?
[23:55] <unop> WelshDragon, i see you tried using fuser to kill the process that has the socket on port 2711 open .. has that process actually been killed?
[23:55] <unop> WelshDragon, netstat -antp | grep 2711
[23:55] <unop> WelshDragon, again, sudo as needed
[23:55] <debCarlos> troythetechguy: So, you should make a / of 30-40 GB, a swap with 2 GB and give all the remaining to /home
[23:56] <Guest17345> does anyone know how to change the startup defaults in xubuntu?
[23:56] <WelshDragon> unop, So you want me to try killing the process that uses 2711 and then try killing fuser?
[23:56] <andresj> troythetechguy: oh wow well to give you an idea i have a 200GB disk, my / is 90 GB, with 14.18 GB used. my /home is 50 GB with 14 GB used. and swap is supposed to be 1/2 of your physical RAM
 how much ram ?
[23:56] <troythetechguy> ram = 1GB
[23:56] <unop> WelshDragon, well, i'm hoping that fuser will exit once the other process has been terminated
[23:57] <Guest17345> mine is 256
[23:57] <andresj> troythetechguy: although i made 2x times my RAM :P
[23:57] <clouder`grr> is there a new rule of thumb for swap?  I read in a lot of old books it's 2x ram, but that's can't be true nowadays is it?
 2 gig swap
[23:58] <troythetechguy> Thanks all, that helps.  I want to crate 1 partition for use with future releases, do I assign a mount point to this partition?
[23:58] <khsurati> Hey, guys I am new to linux and and need help with something.  Ubuntu's site led me to this. When I try playing dvd in VCL i get a "parental setting" message that wont let me continue.  VCL has no options for parental setting. So i am assuming now that it has something to do with ubuntu. has anyone encountered this?
[23:58] <pYrO1v1aniac> Every so often, my system will freeze (regular intervals) entirely, the mouse will not move, audio systems crawl, flanging, video stops altogether, only for about 4 seconds, then it goes back to normal. This is especially true when viewing in fullscreen. What could be the problem?
[23:58] <unop> clouder`grr, 2x RAM  is still a good idea -- especially if you want to hibernate
 see debCarlos ,at least 10 gig root /
[23:58] <andresj> troythetechguy: shouldnt be necessary if u will not use it right away :) then u can mount it on /mnt or /media/intrepid
[23:58] <WelshDragon> unop, process killed but fuser is still running.
[23:58] <gordon> does anyone no how to install wine doors on ubuntu 8.04
[23:59] <troythetechguy> Good deal.  Thanks again.
[23:59] <WelshDragon> And it still won't kill
[23:59] <unop> WelshDragon, hmm, try killing fuser now
[23:59] <Guest49700> does anyone no how to install wine doors on ubuntu 8.04
[23:59] <marcia> #l2-a
[23:59] <Guest49700> help me plz


[02:17] <Omnifrog_> yay, ubuntu grub update reclaimed control of grub
[22:59] <cyberanger> Omnifrog__: was that not what you had in mind?


[04:05] <jam> morning all
[05:13] <MarkMaglana> jam: wazaaaaaaap
[05:14] <MarkMaglana> we're in the middle of the WTF part of the week! hang in there!
[05:14] <MarkMaglana> Well, technically the WThF part of the week but every keystroke counts.
[06:30] <jam> :)
[08:14] <Chipaca> moin moin
[08:19] <Chipaca> jam: any chance of a review of charmcraft#23 so we can put out a fix?
[08:19] <mup> PR charmcraft#23: build: set JUJU_DISPATCH_PATH so we get the right hook <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/23>
[08:20] <jam> Chipaca, to make sure I understand the bash magic, "JUJU_DISPATH_PATH=${{JUJU_DISPATCH_PATH:-$0}}" sets the env var to argv[0] if it isn't set, and then double {{ is because it is in a python format template, right?
[08:21] <jam> Chipaca, Approve as long as I understand that correctly
[08:21] <Chipaca> jam: yep, that's all correct
[08:35]  * Chipaca resurrecting a borked juju
[08:41] <Chipaca> jam: charmcraft#25 could use a rubber stamp
[08:41] <mup> PR charmcraft#25: bump version for 0.1.1 <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/25>
[08:41] <jam> stamped
[08:42] <Chipaca> thanks
[08:42] <Chipaca> i'll land that with just that +1 and release it into the wild
[08:48] <Chipaca> siiiigh
[08:48] <Chipaca> 0.1.1 bites me again
[08:53] <Chipaca> jam: same for charmcraft#26 :-(
[08:53] <mup> PR charmcraft#26: bump version for 0.1.2 <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/26>
[08:53] <jam> Chipaca, I refuse. too much stamping... :)
[08:53] <Chipaca> fair
[08:53] <jam> done
[08:54] <Chipaca> thanks
[10:28] <mup> PR operator#322 opened: log: set up sys.excepthook to log exceptions <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/322>
[10:51] <jam> Chipaca, do you have a preference for new dates at the start/end of the doc? I actually prefer the newest to be the beginning of the doc, but I know you found it confusing w Tom
[10:51] <Chipaca> jam: I prefer if we choose one and stick to it. I don't mind which :)
[10:52] <Chipaca> inserting it from the top works for me (it's what we do in the standup doc for ex)
[10:52] <Chipaca> jam: i'm not sure why i got confused yesterday
[10:52] <Chipaca> i've got my suspicions though :)
[10:53] <jam> Chipaca, one thing that I find helps a lot is to put a Page Break between sections, as it makes it less 'run on'
[10:53] <Chipaca> sgtm
[10:56] <Facu> Muy buenos días a todos!
[10:57] <jam> morning Facu
[10:57] <jam> Chipaca, so i've run into something interesting with YAML.
[10:58] <jam> namely "yaml.dump({'a': (1,2)})" writes the document as "a: !!python/tuple [1,2]"
[10:58] <jam> which round-trips if you then call 'yaml.load'
[10:58] <jam> but *not* if you call yaml.safe_load
[10:58] <jam> and, in fact, it fails with:
[10:58] <jam> yaml.constructor.ConstructorError: could not determine a constructor for the tag 'tag:yaml.org,2002:python/tuple'
[10:58] <jam>   in "<byte string>", line 5, column 6:
[10:58] <jam>     six: !!python/tuple [a, b]
[10:59] <Chipaca> hmm
[10:59] <Facu> weird
[10:59] <Chipaca> now i wonder what 'safe' brings to the party in this context
[11:00] <Facu> Chipaca, not running any code?
[11:02] <Chipaca> 'The function yaml.safe_load limits this ability to simple Python objects like integers or lists.'
[11:02] <Chipaca> … but not tuples?
[11:17] <Chipaca> jam: so apparently the recommendation is to subclass the safe loader and add constructors for the non-standard bits we want
[11:17] <jam> Chipaca, yeah, that is what I was looking at doing
[11:17] <Chipaca> ok
[11:18] <jam> I think anything that is "!!python/" it doesn't allow by default, which is why I'll add it.
[11:18] <jam> I'm just a bit surprised that tuple isn't considered safe but "set" was
[11:18] <Chipaca> jam: apparently !!set is a standard yaml thing
[11:18] <Chipaca> which i didn't know :)
[11:18] <Chipaca> i mean, that's what https://pyyaml.org/wiki/PyYAMLDocumentation says
[11:19] <Chipaca> afaict the only thing there we need is tuple, and arguably complex
[11:19] <Chipaca> ah i guess none also
[11:19] <Chipaca> but that probable goes to null
[11:19]  * Chipaca tries
[11:19] <Chipaca> yeah
[11:21] <jam> None => null by default, yeah.
[11:25] <jam> Chipaca, where do you see the bit about inheriting? The thing I see is "your types can add a property yaml_loader to SafeLoader"
[11:25] <jam> which I don't think I can do to tuple()
[11:26] <jam> oddly, they mention using safe_dump() to ensure you don't dump classes, etc. But 'safe_dump' still puts !!python/tuple which safe_load doesn't support
[11:26] <jam> ah, it actually doesn't. nm
[11:29] <jam> Chipaca, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9169025/how-can-i-add-a-python-tuple-to-a-yaml-file-using-pyyaml
[11:29] <jam> PrettySafeLoader
[11:29] <Chipaca> jam: or https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33048540/pyyaml-safe-load-how-to-ignore-local-tags :)
[11:30] <Chipaca> sorry was afk directing lunch prep here
[11:40] <Chipaca> hehe
[11:40] <Chipaca> yaml.CSafeLoader.yaml_constructors['tag:yaml.org,2002:python/tuple'] = yaml.Loader.yaml_constructors['tag:yaml.org,2002:python/tuple']
[11:41] <Chipaca> probably not the right thing :-D
[11:43] <Chipaca> but otoh can't see why not
[11:46] <Chipaca> also note set(yaml.Dumper.yaml_representers) - set(yaml.SafeDumper.yaml_representers)
[11:47] <Chipaca> but, yaml.SafeDumper.yaml_representers[tuple] is represent_list
[11:50] <Facu> Chipaca, jam, where are we yaml-dumping tuples?
[11:50] <Chipaca> Facu: looking at replacing base64+pickle with something more human-friendly
[11:51] <Chipaca> Facu: for the fix to #317
[11:51] <mup> Issue #317: use charm state for Juju 2.8 <Created by jetpackdanger> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/317>
[11:51] <Facu> Chipaca, WAT, you can not read pickle? :p
[11:52] <Chipaca> Facu: obvs i can, but we have human users also
[11:52] <Facu> Chipaca, humans! always complicating stuff
[11:52] <Chipaca> ikr
[11:54] <jam> Chipaca, Facu also if we're happy with pickle we could just 'load()' but I'd like to be safer than raw pickle
[11:54] <Chipaca> jam: it's fine, the brine keeps things safe
[11:54] <Facu> TOML?
[11:54]  * Facu hides
[11:55]  * Chipaca writes a CHIPACAL spec
[11:55] <Chipaca> CHIPACL?
[11:55] <Chipaca> CHIPL
[11:55] <Chipaca> CHIL'
[11:55]  * Chipaca stops
[11:56] <Facu> Chipaca, jam, what is a good message for the signature deprecation?
[11:57] <Chipaca> Facu: "LOL look at you, passing in 'key'! That's *so* last release!"
[11:57]  * Chipaca suspects that would actually work
[11:57] <Facu> "CharmBase signature's second argument is deprecated, will be removed in 0.3.0, just use 'framework'"
[11:57] <jam> Facu, "key argument has been deprecated and will no longer be supplied in future versions"
[11:58] <Chipaca> 0.8
[11:58] <Chipaca> not 0.3
[11:58] <Chipaca> :)
[11:58] <Facu> I like the "future versions" and not be explicit, in case we want to delay the removal later
[11:58] <Chipaca> hm
[11:58] <Facu> jam, "key...", not "the key..."?
[11:58] <Chipaca> ok, 'after 0.7'
[11:59] <Facu> "the 'key' argument has been deprecated and will be removed after 0.7 version"?
[11:59] <jam> Facu, I like your "second argument"
[12:00] <Chipaca> might be a minute late, somebody's at the door
[12:00] <Facu> "the 'key' second argument has been deprecated and will be removed after 0.7 version"?
[12:03] <Chipaca> Facu: "the second argument, 'key', has been deprecated and will be removed after the 0.7 release"
[12:48] <jam> Chipaca, today's xkcd is pretty good: https://xkcd.com/2315/
[12:49] <jam> heat-death of the universe guarantee's my database's eventual consistency
[12:50]  * Facu brb
[12:52]  * Chipaca pokes at the network again
[13:15] <mup> PR operator#323 opened: 317 state get <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/323>
[14:40]  * facubatista -> errands
[15:42]  * facubatista is back
[15:53] <Chipaca> fiuuuuuu
[15:53] <Chipaca> talking with people
[15:53] <Chipaca> why do we even
[16:00] <Chipaca> jam, facubatista, both of you have +1'ed one, but not both, of the CoC PRs :-)
[16:00] <jam> Chipaca, we like to keep you guessing
[16:01] <Chipaca> jam: ooh, ooh, is it bigger than a breadbox?
[16:02] <Chipaca> is this breadbox container-sized?
[16:02] <Chipaca> or is it a breadbox as in the thing used for playing around with electronics
[16:04] <facubatista> Chipaca, will get to it in ~20'
[16:29] <mup> Issue operator#308 closed: have a code of conduct <Created by chipaca> <Closed by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/308>
[16:29] <mup> PR operator#321 closed: have a Code of Conduct <Created by chipaca> <Merged by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/321>
[16:31] <Chipaca> facubatista: suddenly feeling the urge to make 'python3 -m ops src/charm.py MyCharm' work, for some reason
[16:32] <facubatista> Chipaca, what for? ops is a lib, not an utility
[16:32] <facubatista> making it "half utility" will bring a lot of little rough corners
[16:32] <Chipaca> facubatista: because if all 'if __name__ == "__main__"' bits of charms look the same, why have them?
[16:33] <Chipaca> facubatista: I'm not going to be acting on this urge FWIW :) at least not this time
[16:33] <facubatista> Chipaca, oh, which reminds me! I wanted to talk about CharmBase init, let's talk on Monday about that
[16:33] <Chipaca> facubatista: is that the same as charmcraft init
[16:33]  * Chipaca hids
[16:34]  * Chipaca hides, also
[16:34] <facubatista> no, no
[16:34]  * facubatista laves suspense grow
[16:34] <facubatista> *lets
[16:34]  * Chipaca makes 'charmcraft innit' be an alias
[17:01]  * Chipaca EODs
[17:02] <Chipaca> well, mostly
[17:45] <davigar15> https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/nzmgGT7bMS/
[17:45] <davigar15> I'm getting that error in a relation
[17:45] <davigar15> Any ideas?
[17:47] <davigar15> That's the function is falling in: https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/Q6RCDf4pcK/
[17:47] <davigar15> In the relation-set hook, I suppose
[17:48] <davigar15> app_data = self._relation.data[self.model.app]
[17:48] <davigar15> app_data['port'] = str(port)
[17:48] <davigar15> But I think that's correct ^
[17:50] <facubatista> davigar15, let me see
[17:51] <facubatista> uh, juju is crashing
[17:51] <facubatista> davigar15, please print (with repr()) the values for port, rest_port and host
[18:00] <davigar15> application-zk3: 20:00:19 INFO unit.zk3/0.juju-log zookeeper:7: IPv4Address('<IP_ADDRESS>')
[18:00] <davigar15> There you go. IPv4Address
[18:01] <davigar15> maybe str(host) right?
[18:01] <Facu> ah, you're doing a str() of it
[18:01] <davigar15> nope, not in the host
[18:01] <Facu> davigar15, that IPv4Address is "host"?
[18:01] <davigar15> only in the ports
[18:01] <davigar15> yes
[18:02] <Facu> right, that will not travel through the relation
[18:02] <davigar15> Juju was telling me that values must be strings, not integers
[18:02] <Facu> jam, Chipaca, I wonder if we should detect this ^ *before reaching Juju*
[18:02] <davigar15> so I put str in ports
[18:02] <davigar15> If I put a number it tells you exactly what's the problem
[18:36] <Facu> jam, please when you're back check if you find why juju is crashing on davigar15, thanks!
[18:47] <jam> davigar15, I don't know the immediate reason why, can you give the Juju version you're running?
[18:47] <jam> nil-pointer panic is definitely a Juju bug
[18:47] <jam> there may be other things that could go wrong, but we should never panic
[18:49] <jam> davigar15, please add details to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1882127
[18:56] <Facu> jam, I told him to run the commands by hand (after the proper `juju debug-hooks`) but it looks he can't because of k8s
[18:57] <Facu> jam, thanks for the help!
[19:05] <davigar15> 2.7.6 juju version
[19:05] <davigar15> I’ll give the details tomorrow
[19:14] <davigar15> Jam: you were fast!! I see you already updated the bug
[20:30] <Facu> jam, do we have a simple example on how to start with the Harness?
[20:30] <Facu> Chipaca, ^
[21:10] <Chipaca> Facu: in the README?