[12:17] <bigon> Do you think that bug #66292 worth an update to proposed?
[12:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66292 in sylpheed "Please bump sylpheed to 2.2.9" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66292
[12:20] <sistpoty> bigon: if you backport the individual fixes, I see no problem with an SRU. however a new upstream version should go to -backports
[12:21] <bigon> sistpoty: ark
[01:15] <mohammad> bddebian: hello
[01:16] <mohammad> bddebian: I have applied all comments you gave me on zekr, would you please kindly review it?
[01:17] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[01:23] <bddebian> mohammad: Yep, give me a little bit
[01:25] <mohammad> :)
[01:31] <jdong> !seen jdong
[01:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jdong - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:33] <jrib> Hi, I had a question regarding the policy on packages in universe.  The upstreamdev package is currently a bit old and I'd like to see a more recent version packaged (which fixes a lot of bugs).  My question is, is it possible to have the new version included in feisty at this point in time in the schedule?
[01:33] <jdong> !where seen went
[01:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about where seen went - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:33] <jdong> ^^ Seveas ..... :(
[01:35] <geser> jrib: as we are in UVF now, it depends which bugs are fixed. the more severe the more likely to get it included
[01:36] <Hobbsee> geser: it's still pretty early.   file a UVF exception
[01:37] <geser> Hobbsee: I've already filed one :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:37] <jrib> geser: I see, well the current package in feisty won't be able to use ubuntu-nl's pastebin since that has been updated since we released the version that got packaged.  That's probably the biggest issue.  Should I make sure I find a packager or create a suitable package myself before filing a UVF exception?
[01:38] <Adri2000> yes
[01:38] <geser> jrib: you should have a package ready
[01:38] <Adri2000> "Please note that we expect requesters to have an updated package already prepared and tested!" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[01:39] <geser> jrib: that's a good reason to include a new version
[01:40] <jrib> ok, last question:  The package in feisty was brought over from debian.  We've been unable to contact the original packager.  Are there any issues with a new packager maintaining the new package?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> bah.  cant we just say "can we have a new version of basket"  "yes"
[01:41] <geser> jrib: that should be no problem
[01:42] <jrib> geser, Adri2000, Hobbsee:  thank you all very much
[01:43] <mohammad> vil: Hello vil I have applied the comment you gave me about using cdbs instead of Makefile. would you please review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4350 [zekr]  now?
[01:47] <vil> mahammad, i will take look at it, though i don't promise it will be any soon now (like tomorrow)
[01:48] <mohammad> vil: ok thank you :)
[01:48] <vil> mohammad, sorry for mistyping your name
[01:48] <mohammad> see you all :)
[01:52] <jdong> anyone see irony on multiple levels in bug 666?
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 666 in malone "can't file a bug on Ubuntu" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/666
[01:53] <ajmitch> no
[02:03] <bddebian> Ack, 666
[02:05] <jrib> jdong: ha wow, that's a nice find
[02:06] <jdong> well apparently some of us don't have a sense of humor... :)
[02:07] <tsmithe> jdong, that wasn't your find :P
[02:07] <tsmithe> i mean jrib
[02:07] <tsmithe> bah
[02:07] <tsmithe> whatever
[02:07] <tsmithe> now revu my packages :P
[02:08] <jdong> tsmithe with his devilish mind first came across that :)
[02:08] <tsmithe> :)
[02:08] <jdong> in a flood storm of #ubuntuforums with bug commands :D
[02:08] <tsmithe> hehe
[02:08] <jdong> I did file bug 84647 against Ubugtu for that :)
[02:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84647 in ubuntu-bots "Ubugtu not throttled -DoS/flooding" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84647
[02:52] <vil> hi, I would like to be added as a REVU reviewer. what can i do for it?
[02:57] <bddebian> vil: Become an MOTU :-)
[02:57] <vil> bddebian, i am :)
[02:58] <bddebian> Then you already are :-)
[02:58] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, it requires some DB tweaking
[02:58] <bddebian> Oh really?
[02:58] <ajmitch> yes really
[02:58] <bddebian> I thought they were synced.  Hmm, sorry
[02:59] <ajmitch> the uploaders keyring is
[02:59] <ajmitch> revu accounts in the db aren't
[02:59] <ajmitch> vil: revu email address?
[03:00] <vil> ajmitch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:01] <ajmitch> Altering<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to level reviewer
[03:01] <ajmitch> k, done
[03:03] <vil> ajmitch, thx
[03:03] <tsmithe> i uploaded a new package to revu, only to find out that it was not new there.
[03:03] <tsmithe> it's a new upstream version however
[03:03] <tsmithe> but i did the packaging completely from scratch
[03:04] <tsmithe> it's not currently in ubuntu
[03:04] <tsmithe> and it's name is enblend
[03:05] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: apparently thta's not in the archives at all?
[03:05] <tsmithe> no it's not
[03:05] <ajmitch> oh, hub did the original package..
[03:05] <tsmithe> yes i see that
[03:08] <tsmithe> however, is what i've done ok?
[03:10] <ajmitch> hijacking a package generally isn't appreciated
[03:11] <tsmithe> ajmitch, i know
[03:11] <tsmithe> as i said, i hadn't realised i had until five minutes ago
[03:12] <tsmithe> hub, are you here?
[03:17] <tsmithe> well - i'm going to bed
[03:17] <tsmithe> i'll pm hub
[03:22] <tsmithe> done
[03:22] <tsmithe> night all
[03:45] <bigon> n8
[04:03] <alephant> Hi all... I need to rebuild the stock kernel with a slight tweak to the .config -- I need the version numbers to match $(uname -r) so that my modules-nonfree can modprobe.  Is this make-kpkg, or dpkg-buildpackage, or something else altogether?
[04:03] <alephant> I know I'm slightly off-topic, please have mercy :-)
[04:35] <hub> ajmitch: it is actually the second time somebody tries to hijack it.
[04:35] <hub> ajmitch: actually said package would already be there if I could compile it
[04:35] <hub> ajmitch: but with 512MB I can't
[04:37] <ajmitch> hub: a rather heavy package?
[04:38] <hub> ajmitch: just g++ being a hog
[04:38] <ajmitch> ah
[04:38] <hub> the official answer is "get more RAM"
[04:44] <Laser_away> binary packages should be smaller than the corresponding source package generally, shouldn't they?
[04:45] <white> the bad thing about living in australia is probably the fact that there is always a huge mail backlog on the mls in the morning :(
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Hey white.
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Laser_away, generally.
[04:46] <Laser_away> I'm just having fun watching my mirror of Feisty grow
[04:47] <white> Fujitsu: have you read debian-melbourne@ ?
[04:47] <white> Fujitsu: anibal suggested to catch up on wednesday night
[04:47] <Laser_away> trying to figure out if I have enough space on this partition or not
[04:47] <Fujitsu> white: I can't do Wednesdays, I have TAFE. Plus the parents probably wouldn't let me go :(
[04:48] <white> bah
[04:50] <Laser_away> I'm up to php in Universe :-)
[04:50] <Fujitsu> Laser_away: Why are you mirroring it?
[04:51] <ajmitch> crazy person
[04:51] <Laser_away> for fun, kinda
[04:51] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: parents won't let you meet strange, slightly disturbing geeks at night?
[04:51] <ajmitch> how annoying
[04:51] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[04:51] <Laser_away> I have enough machines that I thought it might be good
[04:52] <Laser_away> plus I wanted to be able to get source packages fast :-)
[04:52] <Fujitsu> I'd like to have a source mirror, but it'll take a couple of months to mirror, I think.
[04:52] <Laser_away> but the main reason is I'm learning how to use reprepo
[04:52] <Fujitsu> Reprepo for mirroring?
[04:52] <Laser_away> yep
[04:53] <Laser_away> I'm grabbing i386 and source for Feisty Main and Universe
[04:53] <Laser_away> I'm almost 7GB into it
[04:54] <Laser_away> that'll feed 3 machines
[04:55] <white> Fujitsu: well just go ahead and write your answer on debian-melbourne, I am sure we find a date where we can catch up
[04:55] <white> at least we still need to catch up for keysigning anyway :)
[04:55] <Laser_away> me too ;-)
[04:56] <Fujitsu> white: I'll write a reply in a sec.
[04:56] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, how long since you've been here?
[04:56] <Laser_away> it's just across the trench for ajmitch and I
[04:56] <Laser_away> my trench is just a bit bigger ;-)
[04:56] <Fujitsu> Laser_away, hah.
[04:56] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: july
[04:57] <white> time to come back
[04:57] <ajmitch> I don't think I visited at all in 2005
[04:57] <Fujitsu> white: Definitely.
[04:57] <Fujitsu> Melbourne == goooood.
[04:57] <ajmitch> was there for nearly 2 months in 2004
[04:57] <Fujitsu> Better than Dunedin
[04:58] <Fujitsu> Laser_away, you realise that i386+source feisty main/universe is a few MiB under 30GiB?
[05:03] <Laser_away> Fujitsu: I'll find out
[05:03] <Laser_away> I'm not sure why source seems sorta smallish so far
[05:03] <Fujitsu> `Download all files that we need to get (29976 MiB).'
[05:04] <Laser_away> I was expecting 30-40GB
[05:04] <Laser_away> when this partition gets full I'll just make a new one and move everything over there
[05:05] <Laser_away> I just hit the trigger before thinking "Oh, I should check to see if I have enough space" ;-)
[05:07] <Laser_away> but I'm suprised that I'm almost to "r" for Universe source (no Main yet) and I've only got 7.0GB
[05:08] <Laser_away> but I'm guessing Gnome+KDE+Kernel+Xorg will take a bit
[05:10] <Fujitsu> universe is about 21GB, so it can't be doing it in order...
[05:10] <Laser_away> it is though
[05:11] <Laser_away> I'll just have to see
[05:15] <bddebian> @#$^$%@$#^ hard drive :-(
[05:16] <Laser_away> bddebian: is it dying?
[05:16] <_ion> 29976 MiB is actually 744 MiB less than 30 GiB.
[05:17] <Laser_away> heh
[05:17] <_ion> Of course the filesystem overhead may add a lot to it. :-)
[05:17] <bddebian> Laser_away: Either that or it's just tired of doing reviews :-)
[05:18] <Laser_away> bddebian: my drive died suddenly  not long ago
[05:18] <Laser_away> I was trying to install OpenSuse
[05:18] <Laser_away> I think it was a sign
[05:18] <bddebian> heh
[05:19] <Laser_away> so it was a good excuse to buy a bigger drive
[05:19] <Laser_away> I hadn't bought any computer parts for over a year
[05:19] <Laser_away> so I went all out and got a 160GB ATA drive ;-)
[06:49] <Ademan> laserjock: you have a blog? haha, i searched for REVU and found your blog
[06:50] <LaserJock> Ademan: I do yes
[06:51] <Ademan> anyways, is there any way to snag binary packages off of revu in any way?
[06:52] <ajmitch> they're not autobuilt
[06:52] <Ademan> figured
[06:52] <ajmitch> tiber is not a fast box
[06:52] <Ademan> where DO packages get built? out of curiosity?
[06:53] <LaserJock> on my machine
[06:53] <LaserJock> for REVU
[06:53] <Ademan> geeze, really? are you just a volunteer LaserJock?
[06:53] <LaserJock> yes
[06:54] <LaserJock> that's how we do it
[06:54] <LaserJock> we build on our own machines
[06:54] <Ademan> oh, the submitter builds on their machine?
[06:54] <LaserJock> once it goes into Ubuntu proper it get's sent to the the Ubuntu build farm
[06:54] <ajmitch> most of us are 'just volunteers'
[06:54] <LaserJock> Ademan: reviewers too
[06:55] <Ademan> oh so the packages going into the repositories are built at the "Ubuntu build farm" though?
[06:55] <Fujitsu> There are no Canonical-employed people who work primarily on universe, are there?
[06:55] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: no, dholbach works mostly on main now
[06:55] <LaserJock> nope
[06:55] <LaserJock> and ogra on Edubuntu
[06:56] <ajmitch> Ademan: any upload to ubuntu from us is source-only
[06:56] <Fujitsu> I thought so... :(
[06:56] <ajmitch> & by any canonical developer too
[06:56] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that's the point, that there be community support for it
[06:56] <ajmitch> debian manages alright
[06:56] <Ademan> oh ok, i guess i didn't phrase my question, cause when i said "where do packages get built" i meant, the ones that go into the repositories, oh well
[06:56] <LaserJock> but you were talking about REVU
[06:57] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I guess.
[06:57] <Ademan> yeah sorry, geeze couldn't you read my mind? lol
[06:57] <TheMuso> ajmitch: But the vast majority of debian's packages have dedicated maintainers.
[06:57] <ajmitch> TheMuso: sure, and we have teams who maintain things in ubuntu as well
[06:57] <TheMuso> We are responsible for a large chunk of debian, all 60 odd of us.
[06:57] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: And there are actually a significant number of active DDs.
[06:58] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: True that.
[06:58] <TheMuso> ajmitch: True.
[06:58] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, a lot of that 60 are main-only, and a lot aren't active.
[06:58] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Right.
[08:14] <LaserJock> anybody know if gparted handles lvm ok?
[08:18] <Fujitsu> What do you mean by OK?
[08:18] <LaserJock> I'm just not so great with lvm yet
[08:19] <LaserJock> I *think* I might have an lvm partition
[08:19] <Fujitsu> gparted won't destroy it, but you can't use it to adjust it.
[08:19] <Fujitsu> You think?
[08:19] <LaserJock> gparted sees an "unknown" partition and under flags it says lvm
[08:19] <LaserJock> that's the thing
[08:19] <LaserJock> I don't really remember creating it
[08:20] <LaserJock> it's not in fstab or mounted
[08:20] <Fujitsu> Ah, it handles it worse than it did in Dapper... It used to at least show the LVs at separate devices.
[08:20] <Fujitsu> Are your other partitions there?
[08:20] <LaserJock> my regular partitions are there
[08:21] <LaserJock> I don't know if I even have a volume group
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Try running sudo vgdisplay, and see if it does anything.
[08:24] <LaserJock> what package is vgdisplay in?
[08:24] <Fujitsu> lvm2
[08:24] <Fujitsu> (not installed by default since Edgy, grrr.)
[08:24] <Fujitsu> Once you've installed that, you'll probably need to run vgscan before vgdisplay will see anything.
[08:24] <LaserJock> I'm guessing not having lvm installed probably was an issue ;-)
[08:24] <LaserJock> bah
[08:24] <LaserJock> something's not right
[08:24] <LaserJock> maybe it needs a reboot or something
[08:25] <Fujitsu> It may have installed something in the initramfs, yes.
[08:25] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee.
[08:26] <LaserJock> bah, I'll do it when my repo mirroring finishes/dies
[08:27] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
[08:27] <Lure> hi dholbach
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu!
[08:27] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: what do you use for building your repo?
[08:27] <Lure> dholbach: what is the plan with motu council in regards to new members?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> morning dholbach
[08:28] <Lure> dholbach: am I to go with TB still this week, or is Motu  council fully in charge now?
[08:28] <dholbach> Lure: the poll will finish on 15th
[08:28] <dholbach> the MC is not ready yet
[08:29] <dholbach> hi Hobbsee, hi Fujitsu
[08:29] <Lure> dholbach: ok
[08:29] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: reprepo
[08:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: which isnt in the repos?
[08:30] <LaserJock> it is
[08:30] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ search reprepo
[08:30] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$
[08:30] <Hobbsee> !info reprepo feisty
[08:30] <ubotu> Package reprepo does not exist in feisty
[08:30] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: where?
[08:31] <LaserJock> doh, did I spell it wrong
[08:31] <LaserJock> reprepro
[08:31] <Fujitsu> !info reprepro feisty
[08:31] <ubotu> reprepro: debian package repository producer. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.3.1-1 (feisty), package size 199 kB, installed size 500 kB
[08:31] <LaserJock> the only thing I hate about it so far is the name
[08:31] <Hobbsee> ehhe
[08:34] <TheMuso> Is it at all possible to use/control network manager from the CLI?
[08:35] <LaserJock> heh, you can get rid of it from CLI ;-)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> yay, TheMuso hasnt drowned!
[08:35] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: This weather rocks!!!
[08:35] <ajmitch> & why would TheMuso have drowned?
[08:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because it's very wet
[08:35] <ajmitch> is it slightly wet there?
[08:35] <ajmitch> that's good
[08:35] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: as long as you dont have to go out in it, yes :D
[08:36] <ajmitch> I understand it's been a bit dry :)
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:36] <TheMuso> Ok, so what launches network manager?
[08:36] <TheMuso> Either I can use it in the CLI, or it goes.
[08:37] <ajmitch> magic
[08:37] <TheMuso> What???????? dbus?
[08:37] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:38] <TheMuso> Bah and so does dhcdbd
[09:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you couldnt just grant us a UVFe for basket now, could you?  (between 1.0rc1 and 1.0 final)  or do i have to file it properly?
[09:14] <dholbach> there's no UVF yet
[09:15] <dholbach> not for universe
[09:15] <dholbach> I thought it was the 22nd?
[09:15] <dholbach> no?
[09:15] <Fujitsu> No.
[09:15] <Fujitsu> 22nd is FF.
[09:15] <Fujitsu> 8th was UVF.
[09:15] <dholbach> I thought it was delayed for Univerese.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> dholbach: it's gone feb 8.  but if you say i can put it thru, then please ack the sync :P
[09:15] <Hobbsee> dholbach: no, that was only FF, not UVF.  which is kinda silly
[09:16] <dholbach> Hobbsee: what is the launchpad bug no?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> dholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basket/+bug/84678
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84678 in basket "Please sync basket (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:16] <Hobbsee> dholbach: havent done the diff and all of that yet
[09:16] <dholbach> gracias
[09:16] <dholbach> done
[09:18] <Hobbsee> dholbach: thanks
[09:18] <Hobbsee> dholbach: does that mean you'll do the same for ksynaptics/libsynaptics?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i dont think the bug's filed yet
[09:19] <dholbach> if you have a good reason to update it - we're fairly early in the cycle still
[09:19] <Hobbsee> dholbach: how about "the current version doesnt work too well"
[09:22] <dholbach> if you can attach bits of the changelog i'm sure it's going to be alright
[09:22] <dholbach> I can't say "sure it'll be alright", but i'll sure have look at it
[09:22] <Hobbsee> dholbach: okay.  will have to wait on the debian bit to update
[09:23] <dholbach> ok
[09:23] <dholbach> cool
[09:24] <Hobbsee> bah.  ksynaptics will need a merge, but libsynaptics is a sync
[10:15] <Sp4rKy> hi
[10:16] <Sp4rKy> does ${python:Depends} should add python-gtk2 & python-glade2 to Depends if software needs it ?
[10:20] <StevenK> Sp4rKy: I doubt it.
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> k, so i add them
[11:53] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ping?
[11:55] <dholbach> Hobbsee: pong
[11:55] <Hobbsee> dholbach: can you ack https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsynaptics/+bug/84681 too please?
[11:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84681 in libsynaptics "Please sync libsynaptics (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:55] <Hobbsee> dholbach: we work with debian for all this stuff - yay :)
[11:56] <dholbach> +* rewriting singleton pad class (breaks compability!)     ???
[11:56] <Hobbsee> dholbach: please ignore hte ubuntu versoin on that changelog - it's a sync.
[11:56] <Hobbsee> dholbach: means that the new ksynaptics will need to come in too
[11:56] <dholbach> please take a look at what it breaks there
[11:57] <dholbach> hm
[11:57] <dholbach> ok
[11:57] <dholbach> acked
[11:57] <dholbach> please refer to the normal process for the other stuff
[11:57] <dholbach> i'm out for lunch and buying hardware now
[11:57] <dholbach> see you later
[11:58] <Hobbsee> dholbach: okay.   FYI, i'ts only ksynaptics that depends on that, which we'll bring in the new versoin.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> (sorry, was being talked to)
[11:59] <dholbach> yeah, I checked
[11:59] <dholbach> it's ok
[12:01] <fernando> moin all
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: was it you who did the reports on kde, and MOTUscience, with debian/ubuntu packages?
[01:09] <white> when is the next MOTU meeting btw? i am curious if my suggestion will be discussed
[01:10] <Hobbsee> white: which suggestion?  :)
[01:10] <white> (suggestion = automatically writing a mail to everyone who just uploaded a new package to universe which is not in debian if they might want to consider bringing it into debian as well or at least looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian )
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:11] <white> or in other words i do not have to do it semi-manually anymore :)
[01:12] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, you able to do a revu? (tis for the good cause of ubuntustudio ;) )
[01:12] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: right now, i'm fighting madison-lite
[01:12] <tsmithe> hehe ok
[01:20] <white> Hobbsee: well i am still looking for an answer or do you reckon it is not worth to discuss? :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> white: sounds good to me
[01:21] <Hobbsee> white: but then you have to find an elusive DD, no?
[01:21] <white> what do you mean?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> white: as in, it's known that there arent terribly many DD"s around.  at least not around in #ubuntu-motu
[01:23] <Hobbsee> seems that way, whehter it's true or not, though
[01:23] <white> if you are looking for a sponsor you can go via #debian-mentors (oftc<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(exclusively for MOTUs and ubuntu folks :) )or ask the DDs in this channel if they are around
[01:23] <white> at least a horrible cook
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:24] <Hobbsee> yes, i'm starting to see that you arent so high and mighty and perfect, and wouldnt come talk to us lowly ubuntu people :P
[01:24] <StevenK> Hah!
[01:24] <white> rotfl
[01:25] <white> Hobbsee: well actually i am just here for you ;)
[01:25] <white> . o O(i was never good at flirting ...)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:25] <StevenK> white: Don't give up your day job, that's dreadful. :-P
[01:25] <white> :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:29] <Hobbsee> white: if you say things like that, then i'll tend to utilise it.  ask StevenK how many packages he uploaded for me before i got MOTU :P
[01:30] <tsmithe> StevenK is motu eh...
[01:31] <tsmithe> could he do a revu for me?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: if you convince him...
[01:31] <white> Hobbsee: go ahead, i feel like i want to take this challenge
[01:31] <tsmithe> good good
[01:31] <tsmithe> StevenK, are you up for a review? as i said to Hobbsee, it's for the great and just cause of UbuntuStudio ;)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> white: but then i'd have to find something to upload to debian.  and i got beaten, for basket.
[01:32] <StevenK> Now look what you've done!
[01:32] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: make white review it :P
[01:32] <tsmithe> http://ubuntustudio.org
[01:32] <tsmithe> but, erm, it's pretty elusive
[01:32] <StevenK> tsmithe: Is it on REVU?
[01:32] <tsmithe> StevenK, yup
[01:32] <tsmithe> wired ;)
[01:33] <StevenK> In that case, I'll think about it.
[01:33] <tsmithe> white, it's just a theme, a tweaked installed, and different packages
[01:33] <tsmithe> StevenK, that's very definitive of you :P
[01:33] <tsmithe> thanks
[01:34] <white> ah so it is like the theme and stuff as you said
[01:34] <tsmithe> yeah
[01:34] <white> i thougt it is a music studio
[01:34] <tsmithe> and a choice of the lowtency kernel
[01:34] <tsmithe> hum
[01:34] <tsmithe> !info ubuntustudio-audio feisty
[01:34] <tsmithe> eth
[01:34] <ubotu> ubuntustudio-audio: Ubuntu Studio Audio Package. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[01:34] <tsmithe> *etc
[01:34] <tsmithe> and then there's one for video, graphics
[01:35] <tsmithe> we're gonna expand in v2, do more cool stuff like tweaking settings, portaudio with jack perhaps
[01:35] <tsmithe> interesting things
[01:36] <tsmithe> oh and white, you can help me get my packages into debian!
[01:36] <StevenK> Shhh, don't tell him a DD
[01:37] <StevenK> tsmithe: I'd suggest you make friends with http://mentors.debian.net/ for that purpose.
[01:37] <tsmithe> hehe ok
[01:37] <white> http://paste.debian.net/21782
[01:37] <white> if somebody needs to know what the suites in debian are
[01:38] <white> we just figured that out :)
[01:38] <StevenK> Bwahaha
[01:38] <StevenK> There's two states on archive.debian.org, though
[01:38] <tsmithe> white, hehe
[01:39] <tsmithe> wooo! cinelerra has finished pulling from bzr... now i can get to work sorting out the licence
[01:39] <tsmithe> but it's a pita to push
[01:39] <tsmithe> 483MiB... :(
[01:39] <StevenK> tsmithe: What's the link to the REVU thing you want me to look at?
[01:39] <white> tsmithe: yeah if you need anything, just tell me
[01:39] <white> . o O(i hope this wasn't a mistake)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[01:39] <tsmithe> StevenK, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4354
[01:39] <white> tsmithe: and if you ever need sponsoring StevenK is a DD
[01:39] <tsmithe> white, cool
[01:39] <tsmithe> StevenK, cool
[01:39] <StevenK> white: Commonly known as "Don't make me regret this!"
[01:40] <StevenK> BAH!
[01:40] <tsmithe> hehe
[01:40] <tsmithe> StevenK, now your in for it too! mwhaaha
[01:40] <Hobbsee> white: and you arent?
[01:40] <white> . o O(i need to get rid of my cloak)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: i can attack StevenK with my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  too, so that's even better
[01:40] <tsmithe> hehe ok
[01:40] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, you need that  on the lart ;)
[01:41] <tsmithe> and more !!!!s
[01:41] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: yes, but i didnt make the lart.
[01:41] <tsmithe> hehe ok :)
[01:46] <StevenK> ARGH, you Build-Depend on cvs
[01:46] <tsmithe> yeah! very argh
[01:46] <tsmithe> but it dies unless i do
[01:46] <StevenK> Oh what?
[01:46] <tsmithe> the "autogen.sh" script that generates configure dies if it can't find cvs
[01:47] <StevenK> Why does debian/manpage.1 exist?
[01:47] <tsmithe> as the manpage...
[01:47] <tsmithe> ?
[01:47] <StevenK> You'd call it wired.1
[01:48] <StevenK> And stuff wired.1 into debian/manpages
[01:48] <tsmithe> hmm ok
[01:49] <lastnode> Fujitsu, ping please
[01:49] <tsmithe> i'll update that then
[01:50] <StevenK> Build-Depending on cvs concerns me
[01:50] <tsmithe> it concerns me too
[01:50] <tsmithe> but there's not really i can do...
[01:51] <tsmithe> and debian/manpages just contains one line: wired.1x (as i will rename it)
[01:52] <tsmithe> right?
[01:53] <StevenK> Looks fine
[01:53] <StevenK> Right, autopoint -f is too blame
[01:53] <StevenK> s/too/to/
[01:53] <tsmithe> yeah it is
[01:53] <tsmithe> but i don't really know what to do about it
[01:53] <StevenK> And you can't depend on Internet access to build, which it currently does.
[01:53] <tsmithe> i don't even know what that does :S
[01:54] <StevenK> The Ubuntu buildds, for example, can't access the Internet.
[01:54] <tsmithe> ok
[01:55] <tsmithe> but i don't even know if it uses it to do anything internety
[01:55] <tsmithe> as i said, i'm not sure what it does...
[01:56] <StevenK> root@liquified:~/wired-0.4# sh -x /usr/bin/autopoint -f >../log 2>&1
[01:56] <StevenK> root@liquified:~/wired-0.4# grep '+ cvs ' ../log
[01:56] <StevenK> + cvs -d /tmp/buildd/wired-0.4/tmpcvs3792 init
[01:56] <StevenK> + cvs checkout -rgettext-0_14_4 archive
[01:57] <StevenK> BAD
[02:02] <tsmithe> yes
[02:02] <tsmithe> that is very very bad
[02:02] <tsmithe> very very very bad
[02:02] <tsmithe> hum
[02:02] <StevenK> I'd daresay hacking autogen.sh to not call autopoint
[02:03] <tsmithe> StevenK, yeah
[02:03] <tsmithe> i'll see if i can do a patch
[02:04] <tsmithe> i'll also poke upstream
[02:07] <StevenK> ajmitch, siretart, etc: Can you fix it so I can comment on REVU?
[02:07] <pochu> hey guys, I have a problem with a build and a menu entry: dh_installmenu: Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated.
[02:07] <pochu> any idea?
[02:08] <white> you are using a debhelper compat lever smaller than 4 ?
[02:08] <white> s/lever/level/
[02:08] <pochu> white: how can I know that?
[02:08] <pochu> :)
[02:08] <white> debian/compat
[02:08] <white> or debian/rules
[02:09] <pochu> let me see
[02:09] <pochu> white: # This is the debhelper compatibility version to use.
[02:09] <pochu> export DH_COMPAT=3
[02:09] <pochu> in rules
[02:09] <Hobbsee> pochu: that'd be it
[02:10] <pochu> should I change it to 4?
[02:10] <white> pochu: you might want to remove that line and use debian/compat
[02:10] <white> and put in 5
[02:10] <lastnode> Hobbsee, do you have Fujtsu on IM?
[02:10] <pochu> white: ok, I'm going to try it, ty!
[02:10] <white> or 4, depends on what you want
[02:11] <Hobbsee> lastnode: no, sorry :(
[02:11] <Hobbsee> lastnode: i'd imagine he's gone to bed though - it's a school night
[02:11] <StevenK> Heh
[02:11] <white> . o O(good that small students like me are still on holidays)
[02:12] <pochu> white: why it depends? I want to fix a menu entry
[02:12] <white> pochu: the compat lever is important for debhelper's behaviour
[02:12] <white> s/lever/level/
[02:12] <Hobbsee> white: how old are you?
[02:12] <white> *narf*
[02:12] <white> Hobbsee: 20
[02:13] <Hobbsee> white: bah.  oldie :P
[02:13] <white> you?
[02:13] <pochu> white: there would be any problem if I put 5?
[02:13] <lastnode> Hobbsee, i see, i keep missing him. damn timezones
[02:13] <white> pochu: then you use latest compat level and can use the current features of debhelper and stuff
[02:14] <Hobbsee> white: 18
[02:14] <white> jeffey
[02:14] <pochu> Hobbsee: as me ;)
[02:14] <pochu> white: thanks :)
[02:14] <white> no worries
[02:15] <white> Hobbsee: where abouts are you located?
[02:15] <StevenK> Hah
[02:15] <Hobbsee> white: sydney, australia
[02:15] <Hobbsee> white: close enough to be able to thump StevenK if he doesnt do what i want, you know?  :P
[02:16] <white> Hobbsee: come over here to Melb :)
[02:16] <white> . o O(more keysigning ...)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> StevenK: much.
[02:16] <tsmithe> bah
[02:16] <tsmithe> aussies
[02:16] <Hobbsee> StevenK: even if they carry a Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?
[02:16] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:16] <white> tsmithe: i am certainly not
[02:17] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Heh
[02:17] <tsmithe> :)
[02:17] <Nafallo> eskilstuna, sweden...
[02:17] <StevenK> white: You just happen to be in Melbourne?
[02:17] <white> yes, i am an international student
[02:17] <StevenK> We won't hold that against yuou
[02:17] <StevenK> s/yuou/you/
[02:17] <white> rotfl
[02:19] <tsmithe> wooo!
[02:19] <Hobbsee> StevenK: which?  the fact that he's in melbourne, not sydney, or an international student?
[02:20] <white> first of all Melbourne rocks
[02:20] <tsmithe> why does autopoint even exist when /usr/share/gettext/archive.tar.gz does?!
[02:20] <white> second point is that the aussies love internationals
[02:20] <StevenK> Hobbsee: The latter
[02:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:22] <StevenK> tsmithe: Because /usr/share/gettext/archive.tar.gz might, heaven forbid, be out of date.
[02:22] <StevenK> Hence the update from CVS.
[02:22] <tsmithe> that's crazy :P
[02:22] <StevenK> Just like the rest of autotools
[02:22] <tsmithe> hehe ok
[02:23] <white> you are just all jealous cos i have my super cow international power
[02:23] <Hobbsee> white: that depends on where you're originally from, of course
[02:24] <white> well start to tell me from where it is good?
[02:25] <tsmithe> hmm
[02:25] <white> hehe ... i am fully listening
[02:25] <white> bah
[02:26] <tsmithe> how do i use archive.tar.gz? all the files have `,v` appended to their filenames...
[02:26] <StevenK> That's because it's under RCS control
[02:27] <tsmithe> but, but,...
[02:27] <tsmithe> sooo... how do i fix it?
[02:27] <white> well debian ldap does not have any natioanlity field
[02:27] <white> s/natioanlity/nationality/
[02:27] <StevenK> No, but I've made a guess.
[02:27] <white> bah yeah you can find it out
[02:27] <white> well let Hobbsee guess a bit :)
[02:28] <StevenK> Does your Jabber ID lie?
[02:28] <white> i can't use my jabber here, but yes my jabber id tells you about my nationality
[02:29] <StevenK> Right.
[02:29] <white> :(
[02:29] <white> so how do i sound like?
[02:29] <white> well actually i do not use my voice here at all ...
[02:29] <StevenK> Like text, duh.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> white: well, the ISP is german
[02:30] <white> ?
[02:30] <white> you mean user.skolelinux.no ?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> btw, you have a LP page.  https://launchpad.net/~steffen-joeris
[02:30] <Hobbsee><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:30] <Hobbsee> sorry, yoru email is
[02:31] <white> damn my mails ...
[02:31] <StevenK> Hah
[02:31] <white> Hobbsee: yes i do have a LP page, cos i wanted to look things up ...
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ditto jabber, blog...
[02:31] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Nicely done, I did the same thing with db.debian.org
[02:31] <white> bah bad google
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:32] <StevenK> Actually, I think you have stuff in Debian with that e-mail
[02:32] <white> stratus: hi, i was just told that my mails are marked as spam, can you maybe check that?
[02:33] <StevenK> Yup, you o.
[02:33] <StevenK> s/ o/ do/
[02:33] <white> stratus: nion pointed me to you
[02:33] <white> right i did not reupload all of my packages so far
[02:33] <StevenK> Most of them appear to be skolelinux.de, actually
[02:34] <white> well they did not need an upload
[02:34] <white> or maybe i was too lazy
[02:40] <white> stratus: bah just forget about it, i somehow mixed things up, sorry
[02:43] <white> Hobbsee: so you still have to say if that is any good or not
[02:43] <Hobbsee> white: hrm?
[02:44] <white> 14:23 < Hobbsee> white: that depends on where you're originally from, of course
[02:44] <white> . o O(the time might be a bit confusing)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> white: yes, i got it.  but i never found otu where you were from, although apparently nto germany
[02:46] <Hobbsee> oh wait.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> .no, presumably?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> smart.  i'm half asleep
[02:47] <white> go to bed, we continue that tomorrow ;)
[03:11] <esaym> Anyone have any tips for installing amule on dapper from the backports?
[03:12] <esaym> I've never installed from the backports befors
[03:12] <gpocentek> !backports
[03:12] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[03:13] <Q-FUNK> hmm... not quite
[03:14] <Q-FUNK> heh
[03:16] <Q-FUNK> hm.  where did Hobbsee go?
[03:17] <Q-FUNK> and doom the homeland security too.
[03:17] <Q-FUNK> while you're at it, dig out your Dubya-like voodoo doll and make it suffer a painful death.
[03:19] <esaym> ok so to get a backported package I just download the deb file and install it and run apt-get -f update?
[03:26] <gpocentek> esaym: that's a question for #ubuntu
[03:28] <esaym> oh sorry
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:48] <Q-FUNK> heya
[03:49] <Q-FUNK> (and greetings from a jetlagged Q-F in Cannuckistan)
[03:49] <bddebian> Heh
[03:50] <geser> hi bddebian
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya geser
[03:53] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks for reviewing zekr
[03:54] <white> zekr?
[03:54] <white> that sounds like an illness (no offense)
[03:56] <bddebian> white: :-)
[03:56] <bddebian> AnAnt: NP
[03:56] <AnAnt> white: nope, a software
[03:58] <white> AnAnt: if you are the author, please excude i did not want to offend you
[03:59] <white> s/excude/excuse/
[04:07] <white> LongPointyStick: bad Hobbsee
[04:07] <tsmithe> bddebian, sorry to be so mean, but could you... wait.. no - i need to update it first.
[04:07] <tsmithe> :)
[04:12] <AnAnt> where's LaserJock ?
[05:00] <bigon> Could someone review bug 84732, it's a SRU?
[05:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84732 in python-pam "SRU: python-pam contains no binaries (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84732
[05:51] <jdong> How does one resolve a symlink in a shellscript?
[05:51] <jdong> i.e. I have a symlink /path/foolink and want to know where it points to.
[05:55] <Nafallo> jdong: readlink
[05:55] <jdong> Nafallo: thanks!
[05:55] <jdong> that's exactly what I need
[06:00] <sistpoty> hi folks
[06:01] <_ion> Hi
[06:01] <sistpoty> hi _ion
[06:01] <geser> Hi sistpoty
[06:01] <sistpoty> hi geser
[06:02] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[06:03] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[07:10] <pl0pix> why does a pythons based package, which builds and runs under debian sid fail to run on a ubuntu edgy box? Msg: ImportError: No module named...
[07:15] <pl0pix> why dosn't edgy's default python version 2.4 read packages python modules from /usr/share/python-support/<package-name>/ ?
[07:22] <imbrandon> heya bddebian sistpoty Nafallo jdong etc etc etc
[07:22] <jdong> :)
[07:22] <jdong> good mass ping :)
[07:22] <imbrandon> lol
[07:22] <Nafallo> hi imbrandon :-)
[07:22] <imbrandon> mass >5
[07:22] <imbrandon> heh
[07:24] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[07:25] <jwhitlark> hi imbrandon :-D
[07:25] <imbrandon> hey hey jwhitlark , long time
[07:25] <imbrandon> hows it been going in cali
[07:25] <jdong> mass > 5 except in the case of Rosie O'Donnell
[07:25] <jdong> in which cases it's much bigger
[07:26] <imbrandon> ouch
[07:26] <imbrandon> you watch too much daytime tv
[07:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:26] <jdong> ;-)
[07:26] <jdong> I actually don't
[07:26] <jdong> I actually don't have a TV right now
[07:26] <jdong> should've brought my 32" LCD
[07:26] <jdong> didn't think my dorm would be big enough
[07:26] <jdong> but boy was I wrong
[07:27] <jdong> empty space everywhere
[07:27] <imbrandon> heh i have a 22in lcd monitor, and a few crt's 19 21 and 17 but only a 13 in TV
[07:27] <imbrandon> lol
[07:27] <imbrandon> i dont watch much tv
[07:27] <imbrandon> or if i do its on the computer
[07:27] <jdong> he may or may not torrent Family Guy and Office, depending on if MIT IS&T is listening in on this conversation.
[07:27] <jdong> ;-)
[07:30] <jdong> well, off to Calc
[07:30] <jdong> have fun everyone
[07:30] <jdong> someone please figure out for me why avidemux is weirdly FTBFS
[07:32] <jwhitlark> hey imbrandon,  I've been sooo slammed..  Was hoping to see you at SCALE this weekend, but I guess you couldn't make it.  jono thought you were going to show, but...
[07:33] <imbrandon> yea i was definately trying , but i dident make it
[07:33] <imbrandon> i told seele and jono i probably would but work happened
[07:34] <jwhitlark> heh, that never happens to me.:-!
[07:34] <imbrandon> the next time i "plan" on getting out is to ubuntu live in portland
[07:34] <imbrandon> but something else wiill probably catch my eye before then
[07:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:35] <jwhitlark> hmm.  I'm not sure if I'm going to that one.  I've got pycon in a week, and I'll be 8 days there, not sure if my boss will let me go to another.  And I want to try to get to UDS in Spain...
[07:35] <jwhitlark> Do we know where in spain it will be?
[07:35] <imbrandon> not yet iirc
[07:36] <imbrandon> but i'll be going top that too
[07:36] <imbrandon> s/top/to
[07:36] <imbrandon> where is pycon? google?
[07:36] <jwhitlark> Dallas.
[07:36] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:36] <jwhitlark> 1 day of tutorials, 3 days of talks, 4 days of sprints.  I think I'll be sprinting on trac.
[07:36] <imbrandon> thats only a few hours from here , i might try to take a day trip or something one of the days
[07:37] <imbrandon> dallas is aobut 7 hours if i rember right from here
[07:37] <jwhitlark> that'd be tight.  It's a good conf.
[07:37] <imbrandon> somewhere close to that
[07:37] <jwhitlark> let me know, and we'll set you up with a room share, if you like.
[07:37] <imbrandon> kk cool
[07:38] <imbrandon> i still have your number in my old cell i think
[07:38] <imbrandon> if not i'll hit you up before then
[07:38] <imbrandon> if my old cell is charged up LOL
[07:39] <imbrandon> hum hum hum, man yea now i'm wishing i would have went to SCALE
[07:39] <imbrandon> did you catch seele's talk ? i heard it was good
[07:39] <jwhitlark> k.  I've been off irc lately, but I'm back.  I had weird stuff happening around the holidays, my wife had a friend over from Turkey, and we bought her a new car, ...
[07:39] <jwhitlark> seele's
[07:39] <jwhitlark> ?
[07:39] <imbrandon> ummm celeste at UDS
[07:40] <imbrandon> seele == irc name
[07:40] <imbrandon> http://weblog.obso1337.org/2007/more-on-the-scale-women-in-oss-mini-conf/
[07:40] <jwhitlark> thanks, just a sec.
[07:40] <imbrandon> KDE useability person
[07:41] <jwhitlark> ah, she was in the mini-conf. on friday.  I flew down on Sat. morn.  (wayyyy to early)  so no.
[07:42] <jwhitlark> s/to/too/
[07:45] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:45] <imbrandon> yea
[07:45] <jwhitlark> Funniest part was when the Xen source was giving a presentation on a XP laptop, and while he was in powerpoint, outlook crashed and popped up a huge error msg on the screen.  O:-)  Of course, we didn't boo, jeer, and laugh.
[07:45] <imbrandon> hahahah rock on
[07:46] <imbrandon> yea actualy that was one of the big reasons i wanted to go is see the XEN guys
[07:46] <imbrandon> but they will be at Ubuntu Live / OSCON
[07:46] <imbrandon> see i just need a job like jono and get paid to come to conf's ;)
[07:46] <jwhitlark> It was a good overview of the architecture of Xen.
[07:47] <jwhitlark> me too.
[07:47] <zul> imbrandon: or get a sugar mommy
[07:47] <imbrandon> zul, hahah exactly
[07:47] <imbrandon> zul, you gonna try to make it to portland? not many people i have talked to are
[07:47] <jwhitlark> my work doesn't force me to take vacation for conferences, but I'm on call during them, and I have to pay my own way.
[07:47] <zul> immwhen is portland again?
[07:48] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, same here, i get all the time off i want and a small ( not normal ) ammount of pay IF they are intrested in the conf
[07:48] <imbrandon> zul, july
[07:48] <imbrandon> 22-26 or some such
[07:48] <imbrandon> www.ubuntulive.com , its piggybacking OSCON
[07:48] <zul> imbrandon: nope ill be taking 3 weeks off in march or my wife would kill me
[07:49] <jwhitlark> man, I so want to go to oscon, not sure I can afford it...
[07:49] <imbrandon> ahh 22-24 not 26
[07:49] <asimon> Hello, lintian will report an outdated-autotools-helper-file error for cdbs packages, even through the package depends on autotools-dev and cdbs will update the obsolete config-guess file automatically. Is this right?
[07:49] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, thats why ubuntu live is at the same time same place
[07:50] <imbrandon> less cost
[07:50] <zul> imbrandon: besides the baby is going to be in hospital during my "vacation"
[07:50] <imbrandon> ahhh
[07:50] <imbrandon> dosent sound good
[07:50] <zul> could be worse
[07:51] <imbrandon> hum
[07:51] <jwhitlark> hope everything goes well.
[07:51] <imbrandon> i need to reload my mac today , osx + linux or linux only? ( that rehtorical )
[07:51] <zul> it should..
[07:52] <jwhitlark> good.  keep us posted.
[07:52] <imbrandon> how was herding cats ?
[07:53] <imbrandon> man where is whiprush when you need him
[07:53] <jwhitlark> have you seen the version online?
[07:53] <imbrandon> not yet, been busy busy busy at work
[07:53] <imbrandon> today starts my 4 days off
[07:54] <imbrandon> so i'll probably check it out
[07:54] <jwhitlark> he said he changed it only a little, so I saw something else.
[07:54] <jwhitlark> it's good.
[07:54] <jwhitlark> do ya know if feisty herd 3 is stable enough to use for day to day?
[07:54] <imbrandon> i still am trying to convince him for a LugRadio LIVE in the USA
[07:55] <imbrandon> jwhitlark, i am using it day to day, there are some quarks but its ok if you are already use to ubuntu
[07:55] <imbrandon> i wouldent recomend a newb using it
[07:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_ and Riddell have done some amazing stuff on the KDE side this time , making things much more intergrated and such
[07:56] <jwhitlark> that would be cool.  LugRadio rocks.
[07:56] <imbrandon> everythging kinda flows now
[07:56] <ajmitch> morning
[07:57] <jwhitlark> I'm going to install and test today, but wasn't sure if I should point it at my home dir, or just do a standalone install with a separate home dir.
[07:57] <jwhitlark> sounds like there's not any show stoppers.
[07:57] <imbrandon> i would defiantly backup your ~/ but should be fine
[07:57] <jwhitlark> k.
[07:58] <jwhitlark> jono said boot flies now.
[07:58] <jwhitlark> ajmitch, morning
[07:58] <imbrandon> beryl is kinda unstable on it, but i dunno if thats feisty or beryl itsself
[07:58] <imbrandon> yea boot and shitdown both fly
[07:58] <imbrandon> shutdown*
[07:58] <jwhitlark> beryl?, unstable?? Noooo.....
[07:58] <imbrandon> lol
[07:59] <imbrandon> leaste now when it crashes it falls back to kwin
[07:59] <imbrandon> thats nice
[07:59] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[08:00] <jwhitlark> I've really gotten used to beryl, though.  makes vdesktops intuitive for me.
[08:00] <imbrandon> yea there are somethings i almost cant do without now, but overall i turn most of it off
[08:00] <imbrandon> and it helps when i woo and ahh the vista moonites at work with it
[08:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:01] <jwhitlark> yup.  very nice when you turn off the pointless stuff.
[08:02] <jwhitlark> oops.  time for our weekly meeting. catch ya'll in 3 hours :-[
[08:02] <imbrandon> l8tr
[08:28] <dholbach> if you didn't vote yet, vote: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls
[08:28] <dholbach> good night
[08:36] <ajmitch> or at least check if I put in a vote for everyone :)
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> Is there a debian whatever recind software packaging notice for amap?
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> it's not in feisty's repos anymore.
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> (I wish nmap would just eat amap)
[08:40] <crimsun> http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/amap/news/20060214T220807Z.html
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> thanks
[08:41] <ajmitch> hello crimsun
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> oh, gpl with subclauses
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> didn't know that.
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  that's dumb
[08:45] <bluefoxicy> it's non-free but they pulled it completely
[08:45] <ajmitch> complain to debian, we can't fix it for them here
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> Yes I know, but it's debian
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> last time I asked a question in #debian I got banned for 2 years
[08:46] <ajmitch> I wonder why
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> because I was running mandrake and trying to figure out how some random command worked on debian but didn't have it in front of me probably.
[08:49] <zul> bluefoxicy: i think that was a rhetorical question :)
[08:52] <bluefoxicy> zul:  Usually when people ask me rhetorical questions, they're followed up by, "Oh, ok, my fault for asking"
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> for example, "Why do you keep talking about Josh?" can end in something very graphic
[08:53] <ajmitch> I think we'd just tune you out
[08:53] <ajmitch> or kick you, whichever is more effective at the time
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> XD
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> ajmitch:  I've actually had someone threaten to kill me, and then ban me from life
[08:54] <ajmitch> I can understand that
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> anyway I have class
[09:49] <rmjb> Hey guys
[09:50] <rmjb> apt-get update on feisty and now I can't install anything
[09:52] <_ion> Perhaps it's just a temporary problem with your mirror.
[09:53] <rmjb> maybe... I'll check back later
[11:15] <Burgwork> ajmitch: they are clammering for your blood on sounder
[11:16] <ajmitch> huh?
[11:16] <Burgwork> ajmitch: they want your network auth client
[11:17] <ajmitch> oh well
[11:19] <bddebian> heh
[11:23] <ajmitch> Burgwork: it may make it into the archive in a month or two :)
[11:23] <Burgwork> ajmitch: right
[11:23] <ajmitch> don't whip me
[11:24] <ajmitch> I can't push it any harder
[11:24] <_ion> Network auth client?
[11:24] <Burgwork> _ion: making it easy to connect Ubuntu to LDAP servers
[11:25] <_ion> Wow, sounds great
[11:25] <ajmitch> just some stuff to screw up config files
[11:25] <_ion> Although i find configuring the actual server more annoying than configuring the clients. :-)
[11:25] <Burgwork> yes, but you only have to do the server once or twice, usually
[11:26] <_ion> True.
[11:26] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[11:28] <LaserJock> morning
[11:29] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[11:30] <rmjb> my isp's dns server isn't responding :(
[11:30] <rmjb> anyone has an ip of a dns server I can use?
[11:30] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:30] <rmjb> hey sistpoty
[11:31] <sistpoty> hi rmjb
[11:31] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty
[11:31] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[11:31] <rmjb> bddebian: I didn't backport the world, I upgraded
[11:31] <bddebian> rmjb: Good man :-)
[11:32] <rmjb> can I have your dns server ip?
[11:32] <crimsun> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:32] <rmjb> thanks much
[11:32] <bddebian> Just grab some root level dns servers ;-P
[11:32] <crimsun> disclosure: that's provided by opendns.
[11:32] <rmjb> that'll work for me :)
[11:33] <_ion> I have my own DNS server i use from my network.
[11:33] <rmjb> me too... but it's dnsmasq, so it needs an upstream dns server to work
[11:36] <LaserJock> wahoo, Seville
[11:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you just heard?
[11:37] <LaserJock> not exactly, but I had to say it
[11:37] <ajmitch> haha
[11:37] <ajmitch> I hope you have a good time there :)
[11:37] <LaserJock> it'll be tricky
[11:37] <LaserJock> my brother is getting married May 12th
[11:37] <bddebian> ??
[11:37] <ajmitch> and it starts when?
[11:37] <sistpoty> gah... and I guess I'll still be programming on my thesis :(
[11:38] <LaserJock> UDS ends on the 11th
[11:38] <ajmitch> sistpoty: that's annoying
[11:38] <LaserJock> I think I might have to cut out early again
[11:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, cutting it close
[11:38] <LaserJock> I guess I really shouldn't go at all
[11:38] <ajmitch> why?
[11:39] <LaserJock> I've got a lot to do here, and these UDSs suck me in too much ;-)
[11:39] <ajmitch> heh
[11:39] <ajmitch> that's ok, I don't plan to go
[11:39] <LaserJock> that's too bad
[11:40] <ajmitch> won't make much difference really
[11:40] <LaserJock> we need uber MOTU support
[11:40] <ajmitch> I'm sure 1 or 2 MOTUs may be sponsored
[11:40] <ajmitch> but not me
[11:40] <bddebian> not me
[11:41] <ajmitch> lies
[11:41] <imbrandon> Seville?
[11:41] <Burgwork> LaserJock: seville?
[11:41] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch LaserJock Burgwork
[11:41] <LaserJock> did I spell it wrong?
[11:41] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon
[11:41] <Burgwork> no
[11:41] <imbrandon> heya sistpoty
[11:41] <Burgwork> LaserJock: where is the announcement?
[11:42] <LaserJock> users-announce
[11:42] <sistpoty> Burgwork: on ubuntu-announce
[11:42] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[11:42] <ajmitch> they only just announced today?
[11:42] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:42] <LaserJock> not, sure
[11:42] <imbrandon> i guess so i havent seen it yet
[11:42] <tsmithe> bddebian, bye
[11:42] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[11:42] <sistpoty> later bddebian
[11:43] <imbrandon> but i havent checked my mail today yet either
[11:43] <LaserJock> I uh, found out by other means
[11:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: well it's been known in edubuntu circles for a little while :)
[11:43] <ajmitch> & it was on the wiki several days ago
[11:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:43] <Lutin> hay there
[11:43] <sistpoty> hi Lutin
[11:44] <Lutin> hi sistpoty
[11:44] <LaserJock> that's why I'm suprised Burgwork didn't see it
[11:44] <Burgwork> LaserJock: I was majorly busy this weekend with other things
[11:45] <Lutin> a little question about debian/copyright .. if I have several files licensed under GPL, but one is (C) 2006 and the other (C) 2005, do I need to separate them in debian/copyright
[11:45] <sistpoty> Lutin: being verbose is never wrong ;)
[11:46] <LaserJock> but is often not fun ;-)
[11:46] <Lutin> sistpoty: I'm packaging mlt, and a grep -Rin copyright | wc -l returns about 310 lines. sounds important for me ;)
[11:47] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[11:48] <LaserJock> sistpoty: you're assigning bugs to sabdfl?
[11:48] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure, sabdfl can fix all bugs
[11:48] <sistpoty> LaserJock: erm... look at the bug ;)
[11:48] <ajmitch> bug 83348
[11:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83348 in gnome-app-install "Need more applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83348
[11:48] <Lutin> sistpoty: is it required, or just a 'could be good' thing ?
[11:49] <sistpoty> Lutin: if it's all from the same authors, it's imo not required, though I'm no copyright guru
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch!
[11:50] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[11:50] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty!
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee.
[11:50] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: StevenK was asking to be added to the reviewers group, if no one else picked that up please - on REVU
[11:50] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu!
[11:50] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: lastnode was looking for you yesterday
[11:50] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: does he deserve it?
[11:50] <Lutin> sistpoty: ok
[11:50] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: will be fixed in a minute ;)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: he's a MOTU and a DD.  on that basis, no :P
[11:51] <LaserJock> maybe we should have a 3 week vote on it ;-)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: haha
[11:51] <Hobbsee> yay, UDS is announced :)
[11:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: done anyway
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: cool, thanks
[11:51] <Hobbsee> now we can make him review more :P
[11:51] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'm a MOTU & DD, and I don't deserve it
[11:51] <LaserJock> bah
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: you forgot core.  heh
[11:52] <ajmitch> that doesn't matter
[11:52] <LaserJock> when did ajmitch turn into bddebian? scary
[11:52] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ah, cool then I don't need to mangle the db... strange enough I never use the scripts siretart and /me wrote once for this purpose
[11:52] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:52] <Lutin> sistpoty: btw, don't really know what to do with bug 77977 ://
[11:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77977 in evolution-jescs "[SRU] [ftbfs]  typo in evolution-jescs-2.8.2/debian/rules" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77977
[11:52] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it's quicker to use the script as long as I ignore the usage warning that lies ;)
[11:52] <ajmitch>   -l LEVEL, --level=LEVEL
[11:52] <ajmitch>                         0 = contributor, 1 = reviewer, 2 = admin
[11:52] <ajmitch> of course you can't pass 0,1 or 2
[11:53] <ajmitch> but you have to spell out the level
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I do read my scrollback when I've been pinged :)
[11:53] <Fujitsu> (I think I know what it was about, though)
[11:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'm not bddebian
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: cool :P
[11:53] <ajmitch> LaserJock: bddebian actually does stuff :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: just checking
[11:55] <sistpoty> Lutin: for the evolution-jesc bug, it would be good if you did some bug triage...
[11:55] <Hobbsee> white: presumably you've seen The next motu-meeting will be on Wednesday, Feb 14th, 10.00h UTC.?
[11:55] <sistpoty> Lutin: just try to figure what difference kdm has than you... maybe that might give some clue what goes wrong
[11:56] <Fujitsu> (it'll probably be finished by the time I get there, of course)
[11:56] <ajmitch> depends on what people want to argue about
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: what is it in local time?
[11:56] <Lutin> sistpoty: ok, thanks
[11:56] <Fujitsu> 1000+1100 = 2100, Hobbsee.
[11:56] <LaserJock> 2:00am here
[11:56] <Hobbsee> nice
[11:57] <Hobbsee> so tomorrow night, hrmmm
[11:57] <ajmitch> yes
[11:57] <ajmitch> means I'll have to stay up late
[11:57] <sistpoty> Lutin: I'd prefer it if I had the info if the new bug was caused by the update (bad) or is an entirely different issue (than we could do the update anyways)
[11:59] <Adri2000> sistpoty: early = 11am? :p
[11:59] <sistpoty> Adri2000: before noon == early for me :P
[11:59] <Hobbsee> that's my form of early
[11:59] <Adri2000> heh
[12:00] <ajmitch> back later
[12:00] <sistpoty> later ajmitch