[00:01] <KM0201> nexushaxx: when i tried installling w/ the .deb (on 12.04) it didn't work..
[00:01] <KM0201> i ended up having to install flash "manually"
[00:01] <nexushaxx> esteban22x: yes can be work with 1.6 Ghz and less
[00:01] <nexushaxx> haw you do that ?
[00:02] <KM0201> excelsior: what do you mean get get around a way to use ubuntu desktop?
[00:02] <KM0201> a GUI on a server is kinda silly.
[00:02] <excelsior> I suppose, but I'm trying to approach this in the most optimal way.
[00:02] <KM0201> nexushaxx: go to the download page, and download the .tar.gz file.
[00:02] <ActionParsnip> excelsior: do you mean ubuntu clients to a 2008 terminal server?
[00:02] <esteban22x> but I have 1.6 and ubuntu works slowly even with gnome classic
[00:03] <nexushaxx> km0201:yes I did'it
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> esteban22x: my 1.6Ghz sempron runs Unity2D just dandy with nvidia 6150LE 512Mb onboard
[00:03] <KM0201> nexushaxx: now, extract it.. you should have two files in there.
[00:04] <excelsior> Since they'll be accessing Ubuntu from these nComputing terminals, I figured Ubuntu server, but since they need remote desktop (and since I haven't seen reference to Ubuntu Server in any preliminary documentation) perhaps there's no Ubuntu Server?
[00:04] <inxtone> does anybody know any microsoft chats?
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> !ltsp | excelsior
[00:04] <bazhang> ##windows inxtone
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> inxtone: try ##windows
[00:04] <inxtone> thank you
[00:04] <KM0201> nexushaxx: did you extract it?
[00:05] <nexushaxx> yes !! and ??
[00:05] <mystMan_> I just installed ubuntu on my computer and installed php5, mysql server and clien and apache2 how do i set up the local dev environment?
[00:05] <KM0201> one of the files is called "libflashplayer.so".. right click it, and copy it.
[00:05] <mystMan_> so that i can view the locally deveoped sites?
[00:05] <KM0201> nexes: then in nautilus.. go back to your home folder (/home/username)....
[00:05] <KM0201> click view/show hidden files and folders
[00:05] <nexushaxx> ok
[00:05] <KM0201> then find the ".mozilla" folder, and open it.
[00:05] <mystMan_> also how do i find out the su - root password??? i cant su - root
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> excelsior: if you just want thin clients to run apps on the server, you can have SSH connections and use x forwarding. the apps will be processed on the server but show on the clients
[00:06] <KM0201> inside .mozilla, create a directory called "plugins"
[00:06] <nexushaxx> ok, done
[00:06] <inxtone> bazhang: no such room...
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> mystMan_: the root account is disabled
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> mystMan_: use:   sudo -i
[00:06] <KM0201> inside the plugins directory, paste the libflashplayer.so
[00:06] <mystMan_> oh ok just use sudo
[00:06] <mystMan_> got it
[00:06] <KM0201> nexushaxx: after you do that.
[00:06] <MrKixs> Hello all
[00:07] <KM0201> close all your browsers, and fire one up, and go to youtube, and you should have flash
[00:07] <bazhang> inxtone, yes there is. /join ##windows
[00:07] <mystMan_> so to my other question. i have been a windows user since i can remember but I develop in a shop that uses all linux machines.  How do i set up the local dev enviroment like WAMP so that i can develop locally and view in my browswer locally
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> !lamp
[00:08] <nexushaxx> ok tha,k you so mach KM0201
[00:08] <KM0201> np
[00:08] <nexushaxx> thank you
[00:08] <MrKixs> can anyone point me to a way to fix the "black screen" issue
[00:08] <mystMan_> i like mysql better instead of postresql
[00:08] <mystMan_> thank bot
[00:08] <KM0201> can you point me to something explaining the "black screen" issue
[00:09] <MrKixs> no backlight on Laptop after install
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> MrKixs: what video chip do you use?
[00:10] <MrKixs> I'm embarssed to say but on this latop I don't know
[00:10] <MrKixs> one sec
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> MrKixs: what make and model laptop?
[00:10] <inxtone> what do you have against windows?
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> inxtone: its offtopic here
[00:10] <inxtone> ill be back
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> inxtone: this is pure support only
[00:10] <bazhang> inxtone, its offtopic. lets move on
[00:10] <MrKixs> Acer Aspire  5734z
[00:11] <maslen> Does it make any sense that my 'init' process is using 2 GB of RAM?
[00:11] <maslen> (Ubuntu 11.10, x64)
[00:11] <ActionParsnip> MrKixs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11326650
[00:12] <ActionParsnip> maslen: does it use it straight from boot or does it slowly grow?
[00:12] <maslen> ah, I misread. I thoguht it said 'm'. my bad.
[00:13] <ActionParsnip> MrKixs: you can add the option by holding shift at boot, then pree E to (e)dit the boot, after the word 'splash' add the boot option: acpi_os=      then press ENTER to continue the boot
[00:13] <ActionParsnip> !rootirc | Guest50584
[00:14] <MrKixs> Thanks, will that still allow me to use dual screen?
[00:15] <ActionParsnip> MrKixs: no idea, it should fix brightness though
[00:15] <MrKixs> thanks
[00:16] <Halexander9000> Greetings gentlehumans! I wish to install qjoypad, thus I have accessed this link http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/11.10/?q=qjoypad followed all the instructions, yet google chrome opens the link with, you guessed it, google chrome, ultimately failing to install the application I require. Could someone please help me unravel this mystery and get qjoypad installed?
[00:16] <Andril> hello all
[00:16] <MrKixs> I'll give it a shot soon as this distro stop installing
[00:17] <Chaosadnd> Hi everybody. First time here :P
[00:17] <MrKixs> Next I get to try and but my linux systems on a win 2008 domain, YA!
[00:17] <MrKixs> *put
[00:18] <Compt> OK, in Ubuntu 11.10 whenever my power cord disconnects before my battery is fully charged, no matter what the percentage, Ubuntu brings up the message "battery critically low" and it says it will suspend and all that good stuff. Even if I plug it back in, it still suspends. While it only takes a few seconds to load back in, it is a major annoyance. Has anyone else had a similar problem? I mean I even had it at 96% charge once, and it slipped out and Ubuntu bro
[00:18] <Compt> ught up the critically low battery message D:. And no, it's not my battery as on a full charge I can get about 4 hours in
[00:18] <Chaosadnd> Get to it how?
[00:20] <MrKixs> latter all
[00:20] <Chaosadnd> See ya
[00:20] <Halexander9000> Greetings gentlehumans! I wish to install qjoypad, thus I have accessed this link http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/11.10/?q=qjoypad followed all the instructions, yet google chrome opens the link with, you guessed it, google chrome, ultimately failing to install the application I require. Could someone please help me unravel this mystery and get qjoypad installed?
[00:21] <Chaosadnd> Can you cright click and open with?
[00:21] <Chaosadnd> right*
[00:21] <Halexander9000> Chaosadnd: Open with what?
[00:21] <ActionParsnip> Halexander9000: did you add the playdeb repo?
[00:22] <rallias> Is there any way I can get debug information on why my vpn connection is failing?
[00:22] <Chaosadnd> I'm assuming it wants a default browser?
[00:22] <ultimal> I am trying to use curlftpfs...how do I specify the password if it has @ in it?
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> Chaosadnd: no, any browser will doit
[00:22] <mentalove> does anyone know about openCL and gpu drivers on ubuntu 11.20 ?
[00:22] <iNeal> What are the main pros/cons for KVM and Virtualbox?
[00:22] <rallias> mentalove Do you mean 11.10 or 11.04?
[00:22] <Halexander9000> ActionParsnip: Yes, I have. Firefox seems to open that link with Ubuntu software manager, yet it fails to find qjoypad in the repositories.
[00:22] <Phaba> i got a microsoft EULA come up on the terminal, non of the normal keys work how do i accept their terms of agreement from the terminal?
[00:22] <rallias> Phaba, hit tab then enter
[00:22] <Phaba> tried it
[00:22] <Chaosadnd> Can it be installed from a terminal?
[00:23] <mentalove> rallias, 11.10..
[00:23] <Phaba> Chaosadnd, some flash/java packages
[00:23] <rallias> mentalove, mmk... what are you trying to do with it?
[00:23] <Phaba> microsoft code in there somewhere i guess
[00:23] <mentalove> ultimately i want to mine bitcoins
[00:23] <Phaba> either way i have a EULA open on my terminal which wont do nada
[00:23] <Halexander9000> Chaosadnd: I do not know.
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> Halexander9000: try closing software centre and run:  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install qjoypad
[00:23] <rallias> mentalove, ahh... what miner program are you using?
[00:23] <Halexander9000> ActionParsnip: Alright.
[00:24] <mentalove> rallias,  -diablominer
[00:24] <rallias> mentalove, mmk, and what problem are you having with it?
[00:24] <Chaosadnd> Yes, what ActionParsnip said. but in a more quickly typing way than me :P
[00:24] <Phaba> okay had to use shift...
[00:24] <Phaba> problem solved
[00:24] <Phaba> :P
[00:25] <mentalove> rallias, i had it workign with my old nvidia 8800gt GPU... i bought a 6970 GPU to replace it
[00:25] <Halexander9000> ActionParsnip: I do believe you have solved the problem.
[00:25] <ultimal> anybody?
[00:25] <ultimal> I am trying to use curlftpfs...how do I specify the password if it has @ in it?
[00:25] <rallias> mentalove, AMD 6970?
[00:25] <mentalove> rallias, it now says "Failed to initialize OpenCL, make sure your environment is setup correctly
[00:25] <mentalove> "
[00:25] <Halexander9000> ActionParsnip: Thank you for your time.
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> Halexander9000: i'm guessing you didn't run: sudo apt-get update   after adding the deb
[00:25] <rallias> *radion
[00:25] <mentalove> rallias, yes amd
[00:25] <lrojas> hi all, can somebody point me to instructions on how to install chrome using PPA in ubuntu 11.10 ?
[00:26] <ActionParsnip> lrojas: do you mean chrome, or do you mean chromium?
[00:26] <lrojas> chrome
[00:27] <Halexander9000> ActionParsnip: I think I may have only used sudo apt-get update after installing the getdeb repos, not after the playdeb repos.
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> lrojas: what is the output of:  uname -m
[00:27] <plantian1> hi guys, does anyone know why file -ib file.csv would think that a file was text/x-java ?
[00:27] <Halexander9000> ActionParsnip: Thanks again.
[00:27] <lrojas> x86_64
[00:27] <mentalove> rallias, yes radeon
[00:27] <plantian1> but on another system, that i scp'ed it from, it reads text/plain ?
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> lrojas: wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb; sudo dpkg -i ./google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb; rm ./google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb; sudo apt-get -f install
[00:28] <rallias> lrojas, Google chrome, the first result shows a google website. Download the .deb file it provides, and it will automatically make a sources.list.d item.
[00:28] <rallias> mentalove, Have you tried a different miner? For one thing, java isn't going to give you optimal results. For another, it appears to be the miner itself.
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> lrojas: the deb also adds the google repo so it will update when the reop gets updated
[00:29] <lrojas> rallias, i want to use a PPA, to facilitate updating and package managing
[00:29] <lrojas> so is better to install using the .deb?
[00:29] <rallias> lrojas, Yes. It will provide automatic updates
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> lrojas: its the easiest way
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> lrojas: the open source chromium-browser is in the default repos and doesn't have the tracking stuff in
[00:30] <lrojas> thanks, it was very confusing because i saw instructions that wanted to install some libraries before installing the .deb, and  all the PPA instructions i could find where kind of old
[00:30] <rallias> mentalove, Are you using a mac machine?
[00:31] <lrojas> ActionParsnip, but isn't chrome more stable than chromiun + have the flash thing
[00:32] <mentalove> rallias, no im not on a mac lol
[00:32] <rallias> mentalove, MMK. I'm unable to find a solution. Ultimately, I'd switch away from diablominer, just for the fact that it runs java, and java with gpu's is a PITFA.
[00:33] <lrojas> rallias, all i want chrome for is so i dont have to install flash
[00:33] <mentalove> rallias, okay thanks. i'll poke around a bit
[00:33] <rallias> lrojas, You aren't going to get that on linux
[00:33] <Zizoo> Hey, my external HD is not mounting, nor showing up on fdisk, but it is clearly powered and showing up on lsusb with the proper name. How can I mount it?
[00:33] <rallias> lrojas, Google doesn't package flash with chrome in linux distribution of its browser
[00:34] <MrUnagi> Why is vnc so hard on Ubuntu :/
[00:34] <rallias> MrUnagi, What problem are you having?
[00:34] <d-bugger> rallias: google does
[00:34] <MrUnagi> I cant connect to display :0
[00:34] <MrUnagi> Display 0
[00:34] <lrojas> rallias, if that's the case, why would anybody install chrome instead of chromiun?
[00:34] <rallias> d-bugger, No. Google said they won't distribute adobe flash with the linux distribution of Google Chrome
[00:35] <rallias> lrojas, Different theme, different featureset, knowledge that its being maintained by a familiar company?
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> lrojas: no its just as stable
[00:36] <rallias> lrojas, and people like my grandmother "What's chromium? Some sort of google chrome ripoff?"
[00:36] <MrUnagi> rallias: And if I connect to display 1 there's nothing but wallpaper
[00:37] <lrojas> but wait, i just read in PC world that Adobe is discontinuing flash for Linux and the only way to access flash would be through chrome...
[00:37] <Zizoo> Any clues about why a an external HD wouldn't automount or show up on fdisk ("sudo fdisk -l"), but would show up on lsusb, or how I could fix that and mount?
[00:37] <lrojas> rallias, also, what is diferent?
[00:37] <mukti> Are there commands to increase and decrease the volume (from the terminal)?
[00:38] <rallias> lrojas, Absolutely nothing is different. Adobe said they were making flash only compatible with one certain API on linux that only is implemented in Chromium and its derivitives.
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> lrojas: the world will have moved to HTML5 by then, nobody will care
[00:38] <mukti> or, are there commands for alsamixer that will increase/decrease volume?
[00:38] <rallias> lrojas, Actually... there's a PDF viewer built into google chrome... that's it
[00:38] <lrojas> i see,  ok, so this is a non issue then...
[00:39] <d-bugger> mukti: amixer set Master 70% unmute
[00:39] <MrUnagi> Like right now im connected to 5901 but it's just the wallpaper
[00:39] <lrojas> is it worth it, i mean chromiun, compared to Firefox ?
[00:39] <rallias> ActionParsnip, I hope so... people who insist flash is absolutely necessary just bug the crap out of me.
[00:40] <rallias> lrojas, Depends. Is your CPU multi-core or single-core?
[00:40] <d-bugger> mukti: Master is one of the devices. you'll have to find the names of them separately
[00:40] <lrojas> rallias, worst than flash are sites that require the microsoft thing... like netflix...
[00:40] <Zizoo> I am in the right channel for Ubuntu support, am I not?
[00:40] <Therion87> Sliverlight lol
[00:40] <Therion87> What crap
[00:40] <rallias> Zizoo,  you are
[00:40] <lrojas> rallias, how do i check?
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> rallias: I install minitube on every OS I setup now, makes life easier :)
[00:41] <Therion87> I use Firefox still tho I have Chromium installed
[00:41] <rallias> lrojas, Is your computer slow or fast?
[00:41] <MrUnagi> How do I start GDP on display 1
[00:41] <MrUnagi> !gdm
[00:41] <lrojas> relatively fast, is an i5
[00:42] <rallias> lrojas, You have multicore. In that case, I'd recommend chrome/chromium.
[00:42] <MrUnagi> !gnome
[00:42]  * ActionParsnip wishes he had an i5
[00:42] <Zizoo> Ok, well, my question's disappeared off the top again for me, so here we go again....
[00:42] <MrUnagi> !desktop
[00:42] <rallias> ActionParsnip, Don't feel bad, I still run a p4
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> rallias: sempron am2 :)
[00:42] <pgib> rallias, at least you stay warm at night
[00:42] <Zizoo> Does anyone know why an external HD wouldn't automount or appear with fdisk, but would show up on lsusb? How can I mount it?
[00:42] <MrUnagi> Gdm doesn't exist anymore?
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> rallias: p4 is a great chip
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: sure it does
[00:43] <rallias> pgib, my PS3 helps with that as well. IKR?
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> !info gdm oneiric | MrUnagi
[00:43] <MrUnagi> I don't see it
[00:43] <pgib> IKR=?
[00:43] <MrUnagi> Ok let me back up
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: its in the universe repo
[00:43] <Kanerix> IKR = I Know Rite
[00:43] <MrUnagi> I am vnc into display 1 but gnome isn't running
[00:43] <MrUnagi> How do I start it for :1
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: what are you VNCing to achieve?
[00:44] <rallias> Zizoo, open it with nautilus?
[00:44] <MrUnagi> Control of the remote box
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: but to achieve what on the remote box?
[00:44] <gorgonzola> hello peoples! i just updated to precise from oneiric, and now i'm getting hard locks everytime i try to boot the 3.2 kernel. any idea on how o go about reporting this bug?
[00:44] <Zizoo> rallias, it doesn't appear.
[00:44] <rallias> ActionParsnip, Only to a dreamer.
[00:44] <MrUnagi> Everything
[00:44] <MrUnagi> Whatever I cant do via cli
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: ask in #ubuntu+1 for Precise support please
[00:44] <rallias> Zizoo, Its possible that your specific usb device isn't compatible with linux...
[00:45] <rallias> BTW, when is 12.04 coming out?
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: I bet you can do nearly everything fast via not using vnc
[00:45] <rallias> "officially"?
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> rallias: end of the month
[00:45] <MrUnagi> Usually
[00:45] <Zizoo> I could swear I'd used it before from linux.... I'll try seeing if gparted sees it.
[00:45] <rallias> ActionParsnip, Oh, so I could have beaten the crowd even if I procrastinated?
[00:45] <MrUnagi> I would just feel better if I had vnc control
[00:45] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip, i'm already there. but my question is more general, ie, is there any way to save the kernel buffer if the kernel is locking up before initializing anything?
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: your quesion is regarding Precise which isn't supported here until release day
[00:46] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip or more simply, how do i report bugs in the kernel boot process?
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> !bug | gorgonzola
[00:46] <rallias> Zizoo, I've had similar problems with android... it has to do with the USB read/write permissions.
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: install openssh-server and you can connect securely to your home folder and manipulate your files without problem
[00:47] <MrUnagi> Except when there are problems
[00:47] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip ... a simple "i have no idea" would have been helpful. i know how to file bugs, i need to know how to o something needed for the bug report.
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: the bot told you
[00:47] <Zizoo> Thank you, but I think I fixed it. It started showing up in fdisk as soon as I accessed it from gparted for some unfathomable reason.
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: or ask in #ubuntu+1
[00:48] <MrUnagi> Is gdm not the default desktop manager anymore?
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: no, lightdm is
[00:48] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip dude. you are not reading my question. this is not a question about ubuntu+1. this is a uestion about filing bugs, but not a general type of question. the question is: how do i produce error reports to include in the bug that i alredy know how to fill that occurs in the kernel boot process
[00:48] <MrUnagi> So how does one start lightdm on :1
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: ubuntu-bug linux     should kick off the process
[00:49] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip, in other words, does anyone here know how to save kernel boot messages? bootlogd is not working either, as the error occurs before it gets started.
[00:50] <gorgonzola> ok, i'm off to filing a rather useless bug report, or resorting to taking screenshots of the screen. sory if i sounded rude, thanks for your time.
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: /var/log/dmesg*  maybe, one may be the last boot, the guys managing the bugs can advise how to get what they need
[00:50] <snap_> Hey there, does anyone know if there is a way to get dmraid to construct a raid with disks missing, the way mdadm can?
[00:50] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip, yeah, i guess i'll file it as is, and then see how to produce errors. i just thougth that  was a rather common thing.
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: that's what I was getting at :). Remember Ubuntu's target audience :D
[00:51] <MrUnagi> Lightdm :1?
[00:51] <MrUnagi> !lightdm
[00:52] <gorgonzola> Beleive me, if he target audience updates heir machine and the only thing it gets is  blinking capslock, they will freak out for sure. i did :S
[00:52] <gorgonzola> sppecially now that grub2 is booting default options automatically
[00:52] <MrUnagi> Or if I can figure out vnc to display 0 then I wouldn't care about display 1
[00:54] <Bndr5> hi @ll
[00:54] <Bndr5> someone know why this error and how to solve ?  W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_partner_binary-i386_Packages) !!!!
[00:56] <rallias> how do I turn something from an init.d thing to a service thing?
[00:57] <Bndr5> rallias,  service init.d start/reboot
[00:57] <Kanerix> Bndr5, well, it looks like there's a duplicate entry in the file it mentioned
[00:57] <Kanerix> remove the duplicate and it'll probably stop complaining
[00:57] <escott> !upstart | rallias if you want to convert to upstart job look at the other upstart jobs
[00:57] <Bndr5> Kanerix, and how can i remove the duplicate ?
[00:57] <damian_> hey
[00:57] <Bndr5> i see this  W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_partner_binary-i386_Packages)
[00:58] <Kanerix> Bndr5, edit the file in vim, then find the duplicate line, and hit "dd"
[00:58] <spacecase-25> can anyone help me rebuild my xorg.conf file?  I n00b'd hard and deleted it, no backup.  managed to get xserver running again with "X -configure" but the screen isn't configured correctly.  Anyway to get back to what was generated by the installer (without reinstalling)?
[00:58] <Kanerix> then save it by typing :wq!
[00:58] <Bndr5> Kanerix, in gedit ?
[00:58] <Kanerix> I did say vim
[00:59] <escott> spacecase-25, there is no xorg.conf unless you used nvidia drivers
[00:59] <Kanerix> in gedit, just delete the line
[00:59] <Bndr5> i can try
[00:59] <Kanerix> you have to be root
[00:59] <Kanerix> so use sudo
[00:59] <MrUnagi> Ok fine.....let's do it this way.....how do I fix invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) errors
[00:59] <snap_> escott: ati drivers generate one aswell
[00:59] <spacecase-25> I'm using ati drivers
[00:59] <Kanerix> MrUnagi, I don't know, sorry
[01:00] <MrUnagi> Kanerix: Do you know how to start lightdm on display :1
[01:00] <MrUnagi> Or vnc to display :0
[01:00] <MrUnagi> :0
[01:00] <MrUnagi> Sigh display 0
[01:00] <Kanerix> VNC is usually 5900 + display number
[01:00] <Bndr5> Kanerix, i dont find the duplicated
[01:00] <Kanerix> 5901 should be :1
[01:01] <MrUnagi> But there is nothing on :1
[01:01] <Bndr5> I dont find this /archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_partner_binary-i386
[01:01] <snap_> spacecase-25: aticonfig --initial should set up a basic one
[01:01] <escott> MrUnagi, you would have to have permissions to draw to display :0 but if you export DISPLAY=:0 and then start the vnc server that should work
[01:01] <Kanerix> ^
[01:01] <MrUnagi> How do you export : p
[01:01] <MrUnagi> 0
[01:02] <Kanerix> um
[01:02] <escott> MrUnagi, "export DISPLAY=:0
[01:02] <Kanerix> yeah
[01:02] <Kanerix> that's a command
[01:02] <MrUnagi> So !! Then vnc server?
[01:02] <Kanerix> export DISPLAY=:0
[01:02] <Kanerix> run that
[01:03] <MrUnagi> Then?
[01:03] <Kanerix> run the vnc server
[01:03] <Kanerix> like escott said
[01:04] <MrUnagi> That's what I said lol !! && vncserver
[01:04] <MrUnagi> Won't let me connect
[01:04] <MrUnagi> Vncserver started on :3
[01:04] <Kanerix> so
[01:04] <Kanerix> export DISPLAY=:3
[01:05] <Kanerix> also make sure your firewall ain't blocking it
[01:05] <escott> MrUnagi, after export DISPLAY=:0 does running "xclock" start a clock on display 0
[01:05] <MrUnagi> Display :3 won't have anything on it
[01:06] <ozzloy> someone say my name
[01:06] <MrUnagi> Does it matter if :O is at the log in screen
[01:06] <MrUnagi> : p
[01:06] <Logan_> ozzloy
[01:06] <MrUnagi> Er
[01:06] <MrUnagi> : 0
[01:06] <ozzloy> Logan_, thanks.  didn't work.
[01:07] <Logan_> np
[01:07] <MrUnagi> escott: I cant see display 0 to tell
[01:07] <MrUnagi> But when I ran xclock it says it ant open display :0
[01:08] <escott> MrUnagi, ok. then you may not have permissions to draw to that display
[01:08] <MrUnagi> Why wouldn't I
[01:09] <escott> MrUnagi, because you havent configured yourself to. Are you the same user? Have you exported an XAUTHORITY variable to point to the xauth file if its not in ~/.xauthority?
[01:10] <MrUnagi> I don't know what any of that means
[01:10] <Kanerix> ugh I hate xauth stuff
[01:10] <MrUnagi> Why is vnc so hard on ubuntu
[01:11] <MrUnagi> I cant vnc to 0 but I can vnc to 1
[01:11] <MrUnagi> But that does nothing for me
[01:12] <MrUnagi> How can I start lightdm on :1
[01:12] <spacecase-25> no luck with that rebuild... xserver wouldn't start and the conf file didn't look anything like the original one
[01:14] <MrUnagi> invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) errors how does one fix this
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> Bndr5: http://pastie.org/3771707
[01:16] <Bndr5> ActionParsnip, ohh. thanks !
[01:16] <Bndr5> im checking...
[01:16] <MrUnagi> So.....vnc to : 0.......start lightdm on :1....... Or fix invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) errors
[01:17] <MrUnagi> One of those three would help
[01:18] <twoten210> I have no sound from my xubuntu 11.10 install
[01:18] <MrUnagi> Totally would ease some stress
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> twoten210: what is the output of: wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh
[01:20] <escott> !attitude | MrUnagi, it would also help if you answered my earlier question. "are you the same user starting vnc, as who started the display on :0"
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: or abandon vnc and use sleeker methods :)
[01:21] <MrUnagi> ActionParsnip: Which is why there is option 3
[01:21] <MrUnagi> escott: Display 0 is probably at a logininvalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) errorsscreen
[01:21] <MrUnagi> Er
[01:21] <MrUnagi> Login screen
[01:22] <savr> hi
[01:22] <savr> I am using an uefi laptop
[01:22] <teligard2_> Hi all
[01:22] <MrUnagi> So if there is a sleek method I am all ears
[01:22] <pooltable> help it there a way to password a folder ?
[01:22] <savr> does ubuntu support installing by default on uefi?
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: to do what?
[01:22] <savr> non mac
[01:22] <MrUnagi> To fix invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) errors
[01:22] <teligard2_> Any ideas why I can't get audio to play with xbmcbuntu 11.10 installed?
[01:22] <escott> MrUnagi, so lightdm owns the display, and you might want to run xauth as root to enable access to that display. I'm not sure what is the recommended configuration
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> pooltable: if you set your user as owner and give no other users access then your user password will be the password to acess the folder
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: In what context?
[01:23] <MrUnagi> Rsync, cp
[01:23] <teligard2_> I have 2 audio devices listed; an HDMI audio and an analog audio (I'm trying to use the analog audio)
[01:23] <ActionParsnip> teligard2_: xbmcbuntu isn't supported here
[01:24] <scar3crow> question: best tv viewer?
[01:24] <ActionParsnip> scar3crow: none and all
[01:24] <ActionParsnip> scar3crow: there is no single best solution for anything
[01:24] <MrUnagi> ActionParsnip: These won't rsync or cp over
[01:24] <scar3crow> easiest to configure...\
[01:25] <L3top> Probably mythbuntu
[01:25] <L3top> if you are in the US
[01:25] <scar3crow> nope
[01:25] <L3top> VDR
[01:25] <scar3crow> k
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: if you have nautilus, you can connect to SSHFS and copy that way. Is that sufficient or do you need the rsync features in the copy?
[01:26] <ChaoticanarchyX> hi all, can anyone help me with compiling a game file?
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> scar3crow: tvtime isn't bad
[01:26] <MrUnagi> I just need the files copied over....all I have is Ssg
[01:26] <MrUnagi> Ssg
[01:26] <MrUnagi> ..ssh
[01:26] <scar3crow> ActionParsnip: k
[01:27] <pooltable> ActionParsnip there is only one user me
[01:27] <MrUnagi> Im trying to vnc so I can use nautilus to copy them
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: nautilus can connect to the ssh server. You have an SFTP server as well when you installed openssh-server ;)
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: do you have nautilus on the client system?
[01:27] <MrUnagi> No
[01:27] <lrojas> hi guys, i just installed vim-gtk on a fresh ubuntu 11.10  install.... but when i go to sash home, and search for gvim is not there...
[01:27] <twoten210> ActionParsnip: I dl'ed the alsa-info file but it runs with a dozen errors on the first 10 lines
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: is it a Linux based OS?
[01:28] <MrUnagi> iOS
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> pooltable: then where is the issue, protecting the files from yourself?
[01:28] <lrojas> anybody knows why i can launch it from command line but not from dash home?
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: doesn't it have an SFTP client?
[01:28] <pooltable> ActionParsnip well i do not wish my kids to read it
[01:29] <arand> lrojas: Is it not called simply "vim" ?
[01:29] <lrojas> i tried that too... not finding it
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> pooltable: then give them their own account, then they won't get sudo access etc either..
[01:29] <ChaoticanarchyX> anyone know how to compile Rise of the Triad?
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> twoten210: can you pastebin the command and the text it outputs please
[01:29] <savr> does ubuntu support installing by default on uefi? non mac
[01:29] <ChaoticanarchyX> or point me in the direction to compiling it?
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> ChaoticanarchyX: now that's a blast from the past
[01:30] <pooltable> ActionParsnip ok so no way to do it now
[01:30] <escott> savr, install grub-efi and you should be fine
[01:30] <A-KO|lptp> how do I set up identd?
[01:30] <MrUnagi> Is there just not a way to start lightdm on display 1
[01:30] <ActionParsnip> pooltable: not that I know of, maybe others can help. I suggest you make a username for each user though.
[01:30] <ChaoticanarchyX> yesa, i found a copy at my local Savers (2nd hand store) and want to get it up and going. got it working on my DS and now i want it on the big screen xD
[01:30] <savr> escott, from windows? cause I can't boot into ubuntu
[01:31] <escott> savr, what happens when you try to boot the livecd/usb
[01:31] <ShawnRisk> how do I locate Rhythmbox Music Player and add this to the desktop as a shortcut?
[01:31] <savr> escott, it works ;)
[01:31] <gio333> is it normal to have a CPU Pentium M 1.7 running on 100% when I am using Lubuntu ?
[01:32] <MrUnagi> That's really all I want to do, start a dm on display 1
[01:32] <escott> savr, so.... where does the problem begin? Do you need help chrooting in?
[01:32] <ChaoticanarchyX> Ive installed it from the Ubuntu software center and even downloaded the files from the developer website but i am still very new to linux when i comes to compiling and such
[01:32] <MrUnagi> Is this not possible?
[01:33] <savr> escott, I have installed and can't boot in after installation
[01:34] <MrUnagi> How do you start lightdm
[01:34] <escott> savr, ok start the livecd, and then you can chroot in and install grub-efi
[01:34] <MrUnagi> !loghtdm
[01:34] <MrUnagi> !lightdm
[01:34] <savr> meh
[01:35] <MrUnagi> ...2 hours I have been fighting this.....ridiculous
[01:35] <pooltable> ActionParsnip will this work ?
[01:35] <pooltable> ActionParsnip will this work ? http://www.knowledgesutra.com/discuss/tppsst-lock-folder-application.html
[01:35] <savr> escott, should the installer installed it automatically or offer me the choice?
[01:35] <ActionParsnip> pooltable: try it on a dummy folder, to test
[01:35] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip, FYI, if any other peep comes along with a similar question, it seems we have pretty thorough how-tos on reporting esoteric kernel bugs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[01:35] <MrUnagi> It's like I have to ask the question the right way
[01:35] <ActionParsnip> !info rott
[01:35] <escott> savr, efi is fairly cutting edge there will be some growing pains
[01:36] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: nice :)
[01:36] <MrUnagi> How do I start lightdm on display :1......why is there nothing on the screen when I vnc to 5901......
[01:36] <ChaoticanarchyX> ActionParsnip In terminal
[01:36] <savr> escott, so not yet?
[01:36] <twoten> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/Jt8BBesP
[01:37] <ActionParsnip> ChaoticanarchyX: you don't need to compile it, you just need to put the game files in the right place
[01:37] <MrUnagi> Why is vnc so hard on ubuntu
[01:37] <avdeveloper> Does anyone know a good program for screen sharing like the feature on Skype?
[01:37] <MrUnagi> Does the remote ubuntu have to be logged in to vnc to display :0
[01:37] <ActionParsnip> twoten: what is the output of:  sudo apt-get install pastebinit; clear; pastebinit /etc/lsb-release
[01:37] <avdeveloper> I don't think Skype for Linux has that feature yet
[01:38] <ChaoticanarchyX> ActionParsnip what directory would be the right place>
[01:38] <MrUnagi> Do none of those questions have an answer
[01:38] <ShawnRisk> seems no one can help me
[01:38] <escott> savr, not yet what?
[01:38] <MrUnagi> ShawnRisk: I feel your pain
[01:39] <ActionParsnip> ChaoticanarchyX: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=624474
[01:39] <avdeveloper> I didn't see your question ShawnRisk
[01:39] <ActionParsnip> ChaoticanarchyX: all I'm doing is websearching
[01:39] <savr> escott, ubuntu doesn't install grub-efi with the installer?
[01:39] <ShawnRisk> how do I locate Rhythmbox Music Player and add this to the desktop as a shortcut?
[01:39] <escott> ShawnRisk, what you want to do is symlink to the executable
[01:40] <ActionParsnip> ShawnRisk: copy the file for /usr/share/applications   to the desktop
[01:40] <ActionParsnip> ShawnRisk: *from
[01:40] <MrUnagi> How do I start lightdm on display :1......why is there nothing on the screen when I vnc to 5901......Does the remote ubuntu have to be logged in to vnc to display 0
[01:40] <ShawnRisk> looking
[01:41] <twoten> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/925808/
[01:41] <escott> savr, it might not since efi is brand new, but if you chroot in you can install it
[01:41] <fall0ut> is dmraid broken on the 12.04 installer?
[01:41] <savr> so you don't know escott ?
[01:42] <ActionParsnip> twoten: strange how the script dodn't get that.
[01:43] <ActionParsnip> fall0ut: ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[01:43] <MrUnagi> How does one fix invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) errors
[01:43] <avdeveloper> I enabled remote Viewing on my box
[01:43] <avdeveloper> how do I let someone outside my LAN to view it?
[01:43] <ActionParsnip> twoten: are you trying to use HDMI audio?
[01:43] <twoten210> ActionParsnip: the script put out a bunch of errors like "{{" not found
[01:43] <avdeveloper> my screen*
[01:43] <twoten210> er [[
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> !vnc | avdeveloper
[01:44] <escott> savr, if you boot the livecd and chroot in you could install grub-efi
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> avdeveloper: be sure to use the SSH tunnel
[01:44] <avdeveloper> not vnc?
[01:44] <avdeveloper> is there any application I can just install?
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> advanxer: yes, vnc through an SSH tunnel
[01:44] <MrUnagi> avdeveloper: Vnc is impossible on ubuntu it seems
[01:44] <twoten210> ActionParsnip: yes hdmi
[01:44] <avdeveloper> so the remote viewing that's built in is only for remote viewing within LAN
[01:44] <savr> escott, I know this... I just want to know if everyone must do this or just some people with efi
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> twoten210: I've no experience of that, my sound troubleshooting ability is poor
[01:45] <ShawnRisk> thanks worked
[01:45] <twoten210> ActionParsnip: your hilarious
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> twoten210: keep that link though, it'll be useful for future asking :)
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> twoten210: 'you're'  ;)
[01:46] <MrUnagi> I think im being ignored now
[01:46] <MrUnagi> Im not sure why though
[01:46] <twoten210> ActionParsnip: I'll look carefully at the script output - thanks for your help!
[01:46] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: if nobody can answer then you'll get taht
[01:46] <MrUnagi> 4 questions with no answers to them......that's impressive :)
[01:47] <MrUnagi> You'd think I was solving mysteries of the universe
[01:47] <escott> savr, i dont know
[01:48] <escott> MrUnagi, the bad attitude doesn't help much. its def. why i'm going to add you to my ignore list
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: install an sftp client on yuor phone, much easier
[01:48] <MrUnagi> Sftp won't connect
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: should connect to port 22, assuming you have openssh-server installed
[01:48] <MrUnagi> I imagine sftp wouldn't work anyway
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: so you haven't tried?
[01:48] <MrUnagi> If I cant cp or rsync why would sftp work
[01:49] <pooltable> ActionParsnip did not work
[01:49] <ActionParsnip> MrUnagi: its a different app. Worth a try
[01:49] <MrUnagi> If I could get it to connect
[01:49] <Orby> just updated nvclock on 11.10 64bit, now when i try and use nvclock it just segfaults and doesnt give any points as to why.. any ideas please
[01:50] <wifioregon> hi. Whats an irc client that handles file sharing that works on ubuntu? Thanks
[01:51] <gnychis> has anyone gotten Beta 2 to work in vmware fusion?
[01:52] <bkerensa> wifioregon: ?
[01:52] <wifioregon> hi
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> wifioregon: handles file sharing in what way?
[01:52] <Logan_> wifioregon: As in DCC?
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> wifioregon: do you mean receving files from users?
[01:52] <MrUnagi> Omg this is going to take forever
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> wifioregon: pidgin does that
[01:53] <wifioregon> Logan_: Yea I want to send a file to a buddy. Okay thanks.
[01:53] <BioBuny> is this the room noob can ask their questions with out being flamed?
[01:53] <Logan_> BioBuny: Yep. :-)
[01:53] <ActionParsnip> BioBuny: as long as its ubuntu support related it's fine :)
[01:53] <bkerensa> wifioregon: on a side note I see your a Oregonian... Feel free to PM me for info on the Ubuntu Oregon LoCo
[01:54] <Bsims> BioBuny:  whats da problem
[01:54] <avdeveloper> ok it was pretty simpl
[01:54] <avdeveloper> to get the VNC to work
[01:54] <KM0201> is ubottu taking the night off?
[01:54] <BioBuny> ok. my ubuntu does come with screen saver installed in the start up.. how do I do that?
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> !coffee
[01:54] <Logan_> KM0201: Connection problems.
[01:54] <avdeveloper> what program should a mac user use to view my screen on ubuntu
[01:54] <KM0201> Logan_: ah ok
[01:55] <ActionParsnip> BioBuny: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/10/enable-screensavers-in-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot/
[01:55] <escott> avdeveloper, vnc
[01:55] <BioBuny> thax action
[01:55] <Bsims> BioBuny:  its under monitor in setup for some amazing reason at on kde
[01:55] <MrUnagi> Sftp wont work
[01:55] <Logan_> avdeveloper: http://www.teamviewer.com/ is quite easy to set up (cross-platform).
[01:55] <Logan_> avdeveloper: VNC works too, but it requires more involved work.
[01:56] <jamjam> do you know any guide on clustering x86_64 computers using ubuntu?
[01:56] <gio333> my Pentium M 1,7 GHz CPU runs 100% at Lubuntu. This mustn't be normal . Right ?
[01:56] <MrUnagi> Does the remote ubuntu have to be logged in to vnc to display : 0.....why is there nothing on the screen when I vnc to :1.......how can I start lightdm on :1......
[01:57] <ActionParsnip> gio333: run:  top    what is the highest?
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> gio333: what video chip do you use?
[01:58] <jamjam> @gio333 install htop to help you determine whats causing high cpu usage >> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/using-htop-to-monitor-system-processes-on-linux/
[02:01] <scientes> ^^^
[02:01] <scientes> +1 for htop
[02:02] <gio333> I have the task manager open
[02:02] <scientes> htop is the only system monitor that doesn't eat CPU
[02:02] <gio333> and it tells me that firefox is running 44 %
[02:02] <gio333> how to run htop?
[02:02] <scientes> gio333, install it
[02:02] <scientes> gio333, and then run it
[02:03] <_klk_> hi all, i'm having trouble getting my machine running ubuntu server 12.04 to connect to a wireless network
[02:03] <scientes> despite being in the termianl, it support mouse
[02:03] <_klk_> i'm new to this setup and could use some help
[02:03] <ActionParsnip> gio333: top is in the default install. Firefox will chew your CPU to bits
[02:04] <gio333> look is it possible to have lubuntu 11.10 a chromium open with 2 tabs of youtube and not to be at 100% the pentium M 1.7 GHZ ?
[02:04] <ActionParsnip> _klk_: ask in #ubuntu+1 for Precise help
[02:04] <_klk_> ActionParsnip: thanks
[02:04] <scientes> gio333, flash is a really badly performing app
[02:04] <scientes> it will eat your battery
[02:05] <gio333> scientes:I dont care about the battery , I care about the CPU
[02:05] <scientes> gio333, its basically the same
[02:06] <jamjam> @gio333 you can limit your cpu usage though..
[02:06] <BioBuny> thank you I'll see if that works
[02:06] <scientes> gio333, basic fact also is that video decoding is very heavy
[02:06] <scientes> gio333, use htop and up the nice of the flash process, so it doesn't stop other things
[02:08] <k_sze> From a terminal in Ubuntu (or any Linux, actually), is it possible to tell what version of SMB (Server Message Block) is supported by a remote host? Let's assume I don't know what operating system is installed on the remote host, I only know that I can mount its SMB shares.
[02:08] <gio333> jamjam:what do you mean limit mycpu usage?
[02:08] <jamjam> @gio333 I think this guide can help you, Set maximum CPU consumption in percentage by any process  >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=992706
[02:09] <scientes> yuck on that jamjam, nice is far better
[02:09] <jamjam> @gio333 flash is really heavy on cpu.
[02:09] <scientes> but yeah flash sucks ass
[02:09] <pangolin> scientes, Please mind your language
[02:10] <blackmatrix_ny> hi...where do I configure to make my ipod in disk mode...ubuntu 10.04
[02:10] <gio333> scientes: what do you mean nice the flash ?
[02:10] <scientes> gio333, use htop, and hit F8 on the flash process
[02:10] <scientes> gio333, man renice
[02:10] <gio333> scientes: what is nice?
[02:10] <scientes> ^^see man renice
[02:11] <BioBuny> who here is well verse in the simple LightDm manager?
[02:11] <kamal77> hi
[02:11] <BioBuny> it seems like a easy program.. but it's not working
[02:11] <kamal77> whats up
[02:11] <MrUnagi> BioBuny: Yea im trying to figure out howto start it on display :1
[02:11] <gio333> scientes : what is renice?
[02:12] <scientes> gio333, type "man renice" into the terminal
[02:12] <BioBuny> I ran it, and now  I have zero start up splash screen.. grr
[02:12] <scientes> MrUnagi, DISPLAY=:1 application
[02:13] <MrUnagi> So DISPLAY=:1 lightdm start?
[02:13] <kamal77> fuc k
[02:13] <scientes> MrUnagi, no, do you even know what you are trying to do?
[02:13] <scientes> i dont think DISPLAY is it
[02:14] <BioBuny> its a GUI MrUnagi
[02:14] <LTB_> Hey guys! Is there a way to make the "chmod 777" command affect everything in an entire file? I'd have to have to do the command 700 times...
[02:14] <MrUnagi> Yes, get a working desktop environment on display :1
[02:14] <scientes> MrUnagi, you mean a second one?
[02:14] <MrUnagi> Since i cant vnc 5900.....yes
[02:14] <usr13> LTB_: -R  --recursive
[02:14] <LTB_> usr13: does it matte at what point in the command?
[02:15] <jamjam> I think it's reasonable, because he's asking not to be at 100% the pentium M 1.7 GHZ
[02:15] <usr13> MrUnagi: You may have to do export DISPLAY=:1.1
[02:15] <scientes> jamjam there is nothing wrong with 100%
[02:15] <usr13> LTB_: What?
[02:15] <escott> LTB_, you should be asking why you want to do that. is 777 really correct?
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> gio333: try arora instead
[02:15] <LTB_> usr13: so "sudo chmod 777 foldername -R"?
[02:15] <LTB_> Well
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> gio333: or midori
[02:15] <LTB_> Isn't 777 for read,write,execute?
[02:16] <escott> LTB_, for anyone and everyone who has any form of access to that computer yes
[02:16] <jamjam> ^^
[02:16] <scientes> LTB_, usr13 chmod 777 is like "..wait im not going to make such a nauty analogy
[02:16] <usr13> LTB_: sudo chmod -R 777 /dir/name   #to change files adn directories recursively
[02:16] <MrUnagi> usr13: What does that do
[02:16] <LTB_> usr13: cheers! Well, ok, what would you suggest then? If I only want read, write
[02:16] <usr13> LTB_: sudo chmod -R 777 /dir/name/*   #to change files adn directories recursively
[02:16] <jrib> LTB_: 777 is never the answer :/
[02:16] <scientes> ^^
[02:17] <scientes> 777 is like alias for slutty
[02:17] <LTB_> jrib: haha, I'm the only one using this computer:D
[02:17] <LTB_> Apart from people hacking it I suppose
[02:17] <usr13> MrUnagi: I am late in the conversation and really dont' know what you are tring to do...
[02:17] <ActionParsnip> jrib: +1
[02:17] <gio333> @ActionParsnip midori and arora are distos ?
[02:17] <ActionParsnip> gio333: no, web browsers
[02:17] <LTB_> I started Linuxing about 12 weeks ago, so... pretty new at this:)
[02:17] <ActionParsnip> gio333: designed to be light
[02:18] <usr13> LTB_: sudo chmod -R +rw
[02:18] <escott> LTB_, even if its just you, you should be prepared in case at some point in the future you do need to give someone else access. for your files you want 750 for directories and 640 for files (or something along those lines)
[02:18] <LTB_> Alright, trying usr13's suggestion
[02:18] <LTB_> Hang on!
[02:19] <LTB_> "recursive" means "entire folder" of some kind or?:p
[02:19] <usr13> LTB_:  escott makes a good point.
[02:19] <scientes> LTB_, yeah either 4 or 0 for that last bit (also, maybe 5 in some cases)
[02:19] <MrUnagi> usr13: I just want to vnc my ubuntu box
[02:19] <gio333> what is mount.ntfs that runs at htop?
[02:19] <usr13> LTB_: recursive means entire folder and all folders thereafter, (so be careful).
[02:19] <gio333> it takes 40%
[02:20] <LTB_> Hah
[02:20] <LTB_> cool
[02:20] <MrUnagi> usr13: I cant connect to 5900.....vncserver starts on 5901....but there is no desktop manager running
[02:20] <usr13> MrUnagi: And you want to run a GUI app. and see it on server?  (or client?)
[02:20] <LTB_> That made me feel like a pro hacker rofl
[02:20] <LTB_> Shit!
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> gio333: guess
[02:20] <FloodBot1> LTB_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:20] <LTB_> I did the "777" without thinking
[02:20] <LTB_> Hahahaha
[02:20] <LTB_> How do I undo that
[02:20] <MrUnagi> usr13: I want the desktop to show
[02:20] <MrUnagi> The desktop manager
[02:20] <usr13> MrUnagi: If you want it to be seen on the server,   export DISPLAY=:0.0
[02:21] <MrUnagi> I tried DISPLAY=:0
[02:21] <MrUnagi> Didn't do anything
[02:21] <usr13> MrUnagi: Then just do vnc session.  vncviewer 192.168.x.xx
[02:21] <gio333> @ActionParsnip Ok , man I know that ntfs is a file system . And usually windows file system but what does it need from windows?
[02:21] <MrUnagi> Im not on linux on the client
[02:22] <usr13> MrUnagi: tightvnc is cross platform
[02:22] <MrUnagi> I cant connect to : 0
[02:22] <MrUnagi> Vnc server starts on :1
[02:23] <usr13> MrUnagi: You don't need to specify DISPLAY in a vnc session.  (That is for ssh session, and you would need to haev Xforwarding enabled in openssh-server
[02:24] <MrUnagi> 5900 won't connect because vncserver starts on 5901
[02:24] <vevais> Hello
[02:24] <usr13> MrUnagi: I don't know what vncserver you are using but you might try x11vnc
[02:25] <vevais> I removed OpenJDK and installed Sun-Java6-JDK, but a "java -version" still gives me this:
[02:25] <vevais> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11pre) (6b23~pre11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[02:25] <vevais> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode)
[02:25] <vevais> What am I doing wrong?
[02:25] <usr13> MrUnagi: And I don't know what client you are using but you might try tightvnc
[02:25] <MrUnagi> I've tried x11vnc and I cant get it to work
[02:25] <MrUnagi> Tightvncserver only will start on 5901
[02:25] <usr13> MrUnagi: x11vnc -forever
[02:26] <usr13> MrUnagi: It works... I use it all the time.
[02:26] <MrUnagi> usr13: Does the remote ubuntu machine have to be logged in
[02:26] <usr13> Yes
[02:26] <MrUnagi> ...
[02:26] <MrUnagi> Why
[02:27] <MrUnagi> None of this makes sense
[02:27] <usr13> Because there needs to be an Xserver running.  There needs to be an Xservession to connect to.
[02:27] <MrUnagi> Why can I connect to :1 just fine
[02:27] <usr13> MrUnagi: Maybe you should start over.  What exactly are you trying to do?
[02:28] <MrUnagi> I just want to vnc into my remote ubuntu
[02:28] <usr13> MrUnagi: How remote is it?
[02:28] <MrUnagi> 600 miles
[02:28] <usr13> (Is it on the same network)?
[02:28] <Pinkamena_D> Hello, i am running a server with ubuntu server on it 11.10. Every time i start it i have to go to grub and change the "splash quiet" to "nomodeset" or it boots to a black screen. How can i make this change perma so it boots ok by iteslf
[02:28] <MrUnagi> No
[02:28] <ant0neo> my browser and clients freeze and darken (dim) when using my machine any ideas?
[02:28] <usr13> MrUnagi: Oh, ok.  Well you prolly need teamviewer or something like that.
[02:28] <MrUnagi> Why
[02:29] <MrUnagi> Why is vnc so hard on ubuntu
[02:29] <usr13> MrUnagi: Unless you have outside IP for the server end.
[02:29] <linuxman> Tightvnc is easy to install
[02:29] <MrUnagi> I have access to the machine
[02:29] <usr13> MrUnagi: Vnc is not hard on Ubuntu.
[02:29] <escott> Pinkamena_D, modify /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[02:29] <MrUnagi> My questions seem impossible to answer
[02:29] <usr13> MrUnagi: Ok then, it will work.
[02:29] <MrUnagi> It doesn't
[02:29] <usr13> MrUnagi: Ask it and see.
[02:30] <usr13> MrUnagi: Ask your question.
[02:30] <MrUnagi> If I have to be logged in on the remote machine.....why can I connect to :1
[02:30] <Pinkamena_D> ok, thanks
[02:30] <usr13> MrUnagi: You should be able to.  I don't know why not.
[02:30] <tjr-> I'm stuck on an install because it requires a module "but it is not installable".  Ala bugs 909880 and 976509.  Is there any guidance for getting more info about the failing package or working around the problem?
[02:30] <Pinkamena_D> one more
[02:31] <MrUnagi> Sould be able to what
[02:31] <MrUnagi> I can connect to :1 all day long but there is no window manager
[02:31] <usr13> MrUnagi: Connect via vnc
[02:31] <MrUnagi> I can to :1
[02:31] <MrUnagi> Not to : 0
[02:31] <MrUnagi> You said I have to be logged in to vnc
[02:31] <usr13> MrUnagi: What vncserver software are you using?
[02:32] <MrUnagi> Tight
[02:32] <usr13> MrUnagi: Read the man file.
[02:32] <MrUnagi> I have
[02:32] <MrUnagi> Several times
[02:32] <Pinkamena_D> I have had today a persistant crash of ubuntu that happens every time i transfer files over ftp from a client to the server that is running ubuntu. It happens about 20 or so seconds in to the transfer. I have been using the server for this purpose for many month but it just started now. What file would the crash log be saved in?
[02:33] <MrUnagi> It says nothing of a window manager
[02:33] <usr13> MrUnagi: man vncserver  &    man vncviewer
[02:33] <MrUnagi> .....ok
[02:33] <MrUnagi> Anyone know how to start lightdm on display :1
[02:34] <MrUnagi> usr13: If you were just going to default to the man page why did you wasted time
[02:34] <MrUnagi> Waste my
[02:34] <usr13> MrUnagi: It works.  I don't knwo what else to tell you.  I already suggested using x11vnc, but you said you could not get it to work.  So be it, it's always worked for me.  I've used both (x11vnc and vncserver)  and they both work just fine.
[02:34] <MrUnagi> So you are telling me,.....you can connect....even when yo arent logged in
[02:34] <MrUnagi> Even though you just said I have to be logged in
[02:35] <collinjsimpson> Is there is a distinct security difference between 'sudo bash' and 'su'?
[02:35] <escott> collinjsimpson, well su doesn't work on ubuntu by default, but both start a root shell. sudo -i is probably better than sudo bash
[02:35] <scientes> collinjsimpson, i recommend sudo su, or sudo -i, cause sudo bash doesn't not reset the environment variables right
[02:36] <usr13> MrUnagi: Yes, the machine must be running and a user logged in.  I already told you that.
[02:36] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: it depends on the vnc server like x11vnc server I think you can connect down to gdm login screen
[02:36] <escott> Pinkamena_D, you mean your server crashes 20 seconds into an ftp transfer? like a kernel oops?
[02:36] <MrUnagi> So then....it DOESN'T work for you
[02:36] <L3top_> sudo su has env carryover issues as well
[02:36] <scientes> L3top_, o sorry
[02:36] <MrUnagi> sacarlson: It says it needs the file.......but even when I -auth......still doesn't work
[02:37] <MrUnagi> X11vnc maybe not compatible with lightdm?
[02:37] <bazhang> scientes, recommended method is sudo -i for a root shell
[02:37] <usr13> MrUnagi: sacarlson Well yes you can also connect and run a second (separate) session.  There is that option too, but something I don't use much.
[02:37] <scientes> bazhang, well i've used ancient distros that dont have sudo -i
[02:37] <MrUnagi> usr13: So then what's the point of a remote viewer that requires you to have physical access to the remote computer
[02:37] <L3top_> sudo -s ?
[02:37] <bazhang> scientes, understood
[02:38] <bazhang> L3top_, sure could do
[02:38] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: you can also setup virtual frame buffers in x11vnc where the display is not seen on the server at all
[02:38] <Pinkamena_D> sorry for the long response
[02:38] <usr13> MrUnagi: I don't know what you mean by physical access to the remote computer, but what I said was that it has to be running and the Xserver running, otherwise you will need to just initiate secure shell session.  The choice is yours.
[02:39] <Pinkamena_D> yes, a bunch of text that does not really seem to be one single error comes up on the screen and the num lock and caps lock blink constantly
[02:39] <Pinkamena_D> (and its frozen to all commands)
[02:39] <MrUnagi> usr13: How do you remotely start xserver
[02:39] <MrUnagi> sacarlson: Which is stepping into things I don't know much about.....I can connect to :1 but there's no window manager
[02:39] <usr13> MrUnagi: If you don't have the vnc server running, you can initiate a secure shell in order to start the vnc server.  Right>>>>?
[02:40] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: I did find this http://www.davelachapelle.ca/guides/ubuntu-tightvnc-server/
[02:40] <escott> Pinkamena_D, you need to try and read that oops message and see what it says. you could try the sysreq magic keys to see if you can flush the logs to disk
[02:40] <MrUnagi> Right....
[02:40] <MrUnagi> Which I have done
[02:40] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: wonder why they have this config start from display=1?
[02:40] <MrUnagi> Vncserver wont run for : 0
[02:40] <MrUnagi> Only for :1
[02:40] <usr13> MrUnagi: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>#And then you can issue the command to start the vnc server of your choice.
[02:41] <Pinkamena_D> so the crash message is not logged automatically? What keys do i have to hit exactly?
[02:41] <MrUnagi> Which I have done
[02:41] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: I wonder if that file was changed to point to display 0 what would happen?
[02:42] <MrUnagi> Tightvncserver won't run for : 0
[02:42] <escott> !sysrq
[02:42] <usr13> MrUnagi: Then use x11vnc
[02:42] <MrUnagi> Boy you are helpful
[02:42] <usr13> MrUnagi: Its up to  you.  Use what is easiest.
[02:42] <sacarlson> usr13: MrUnagi: ya or restart the one he now runs with a different config
[02:42] <MrUnagi> None of then are
[02:42] <escott> Pinkamena_D, ubottu seems to be AWOL In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing, in succession, R, E, I, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[02:42] <usr13> scientes: You are correct. Yes
[02:43] <MrUnagi> X11 won't run likely because it is on the login screen
[02:43] <Pinkamena_D> ouch, i can try that
[02:43] <usr13> sacarlson: But if he does not have the Xserver running on the server, he will not be able to conect to it.
[02:44] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: you can also change the settings of the user to have it auto login at boot
[02:44] <L3top_> MrUnagi, the fact that someone is trying to help you is really quite kind... to suggest that they are wasting your time because you are not able to undertsand or make work what is made to work by them is very rude. It is not they who are wasting your time...
[02:45] <MrUnagi> sacarlson: Isn't that bad security?
[02:45] <sacarlson> usr13: yes with this tightvnc I think your correct and I'm not even sure about x11vnc on the new versions of ubuntu
[02:45] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: why is someone in your house going to access your computer?
[02:46] <usr13> sacarlson: Yes, if he does not have a user logged into the Xserver, he's better off to use tightvnc (vncserver).
[02:46] <KM0201> MrUnagi: you know, there's a linux(and windows) appt hat is free called Teamviewer, i tmight do what you want w/ a LOT less headache
[02:46] <L3top_> and mac for that matter
[02:46] <MrUnagi> KM0201: That requires local access
[02:46] <L3top_> It does not
[02:46] <KM0201> MrUnagi: if you say so
[02:46] <MrUnagi> How do I get the log in numbers
[02:47] <L3top_> You set a permanent one
[02:47] <L3top_> the id never changes
[02:47] <MrUnagi> If I cant see it how do I set it
[02:47] <L3top_> you set a persistent login pass as complicated as you like
[02:47] <MrUnagi> From terminal?
[02:47] <usr13> On the server, you dould do    vncserver :1
[02:48] <MrUnagi> usr13: :1 has no dm
[02:48] <L3top_> I have not backread to see your xserver issue... have you used ssh -X ?
[02:48] <usr13> On the clinet, you would do   vncviewer 192.168.1.x:1
[02:49] <MrUnagi> usr13: I can successfully connect to :1 but there is no desktop manager
[02:49] <usr13> MrUnagi: Yea, you will just be in a Xserver with no dm
[02:49] <MrUnagi> How do you start dm for :1
[02:49] <Pinkamena_D> hmm,tsting it running at 100 mbits full duplex instead of 1 gigabit it has not crashed yet
[02:49] <usr13> MrUnagi: I don't know. Don't think you can.
[02:49] <MrUnagi> :(
[02:49] <Pinkamena_D> maybe i need to clean the dust out of something?
[02:49] <usr13> MrUnagi: Do you really need a dm?
[02:50] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: I wonder if you do a <ctr><alt>t if a term will pop up on your vnc client?
[02:50] <Pinkamena_D> wow it slowed down to like no speed at all
[02:50] <MrUnagi> Unless you know how to fix rsync error 83
[02:51] <mbeierl> anyone ever played with kobo/adobe digital editions under Wine on Ubuntu?  ADE works, but I cannot get it to authorize my Kobo - it doesn't "see" the usb device attached.
[02:51] <bazhang> mbeierl, #winehq for particular apps after checking the appdb
[02:52] <mbeierl> bazhang: thanks.
[02:52] <bazhang> !appdb
[02:52] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: what does rsync error 83 have to do with vnc?
[02:52] <bazhang> ah no bot
[02:52] <MrUnagi> sacarlson: Everything
[02:52] <MrUnagi> I cant rsync or cp because of special characters
[02:53] <usr13> MrUnagi: What exactly are you needing to do?
[02:53] <ActionParsnip> mbeierl: i'd ask in #winehq
[02:53] <ox1de> hi! i have a problem i need some help with
[02:53] <ox1de> when i boot up i get the message:
[02:53] <mbeierl> ActionParsnip: already there, thanks
[02:53] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: special characters in the file name I take it?  still nothing to do with vnc but?
[02:54] <ox1de> "no init found"
[02:54] <MrUnagi> I have 133 files that won't cp or rsync because they have õ or ê
[02:54] <ox1de> "try passing init=boot"
[02:54] <ox1de> initramfs
[02:54] <Pinkamena_D> escott, i have just recreated the problem again
[02:54] <MrUnagi> Nautilus might copy them over
[02:54] <ox1de> can somebody help me?
[02:54] <usr13> MrUnagi:  Can you create an archive and then transfer them?
[02:55] <MrUnagi> They are in several different places
[02:55] <MrUnagi> Is there a way to take a list of their location and for loop them in?
[02:55] <phantasmoholic> how do i install ubuntu for android on my transformer prime tablet
[02:57] <bazhang> phantasmoholic, what is ubuntu for android
[02:57] <ox1de> can anybody help me???
[02:57] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: show us the command line with this rsync in it that you attempt to do that creates this error
[02:57] <MrUnagi> usr13: Is there a way to take a list and for loop it into an archive
[02:57] <Pinkamena_D> i see alot of errors on the screen, the top one reads: [ 1555.515541] [<ffffffff812e41f4>] ? cfq_dispatch_request+0x64/0xa0
[02:58] <MrUnagi> Rsync -avz /foo /bar
[02:58] <MrUnagi> Oh
[02:58] <MrUnagi> Hang on
[02:58] <usr13> MrUnagi: Creating an archive of a directory may be what you want to do.  tar -czf Documents.tgz Documents/   #Will create a compressed file of the Documents/ directory.
[02:59] <Pinkamena_D> one is shifted over to the side like it might be important: "mwait_idle+0x95/0x210"
[02:59] <MrUnagi> Seems overkill for 133 mp3s
[02:59] <ox1de> help?! anybody???
[02:59] <Pinkamena_D> but i dont really think this kind of technical info is useful to most users
[02:59] <usr13> MrUnagi: Then, from the client just do scp MrUnagi@192.168.1.x:Documents.tgz .
[02:59] <Pinkamena_D> the keyboard shortcut did nothing
[02:59] <bazhang> !helpme | ox1de
[03:00] <ox1de> !helpme
[03:00] <ox1de> ????????/
[03:00] <bazhang> ox1de, stop repeating every five seconds
[03:00] <ox1de> sorry....
[03:01] <usr13> MrUnagi: Or just ssh into the client and do:  tar -czf MP3s.tgz MP3s/
[03:01] <ox1de> what should i do baz?
[03:01] <MrUnagi> usr13: So there's no way to for loop specific ones?
[03:01] <usr13> MrUnagi: And then   scp MP3s.tgz  192.168.1.x:Music/
[03:01] <MrUnagi> For I in cat list; do
[03:01] <bazhang> ox1de, wait til you get a response. people see your issue and dont know the answer presently. so be patient
[03:02] <usr13> MrUnagi: Man tar.
[03:02] <ox1de> ok
[03:02] <Pinkamena_D> did that guy quit?
[03:02] <escott> Pinkamena_D, thats a bit lower in the stack trace than is desirable, but its evidently oopsing somewhere in the VFS layer (in particular inside the cfq dispatch). what kind of hard drives do you have on this?
[03:02] <Pinkamena_D> my bad
[03:03] <escott> ox1de, when did this start?
[03:03] <MrUnagi> append!
[03:03] <ox1de> today
[03:03] <usr13> MrUnagi: You could also start up an ftp server on the server end and get 'em that way.
[03:03] <Pinkamena_D> Their are two sata 2.5 inch 160gb ones and one SAS 2.5 inch 10k 72 gb all attached to the same SAS controller
[03:03] <ox1de> do u want a full synopsis of the problem?
[03:03] <Pinkamena_D> i have tested the ftp transfer to each of the three with the same result
[03:03] <MrUnagi> Tried it with sftp, that will tak forever
[03:04] <escott> Pinkamena_D, maybe a bug in your raid controller then?
[03:04] <escott> Pinkamena_D, assuming you are using RAID on a riser controller
[03:04] <Pinkamena_D> actually its not a raid controller (suprisingly). Are you suggesting a hardware issue?
[03:05] <escott> ox1de, i would boot the livecd and run an fsck on the root filesystem if you havent done that
[03:05] <ox1de> i dont have a livecd
[03:06] <bazhang> ox1de, then download and burn one
[03:06] <Pinkamena_D> the server is an IBM xseries 366, the controller is "planar" (seemingly attached by two parallel PCI-X slots) their is a slot where you can put a RAID board, but i do not have one installed.
[03:06] <usr13> ox1de: Or usb
[03:06] <escott> Pinkamena_D, its almost certainly a driver somewhere. either in the disk controller or in the ethernet controller, but based on your oops stacktrace it would seem to be the disk controller
[03:06] <ox1de> i have a usb flash
[03:06] <ox1de> drive
[03:06] <usr13> ox1de: There you go.
[03:06] <ox1de> where can i find the file to put on the usb?
[03:07] <ox1de> is there a way to fix it without the usb or livecd?
[03:07] <escott> ox1de, follow the instructions at ubuntu.com
[03:07] <Pinkamena_D> i wonder why its just started when its been fine for month
[03:07] <Pinkamena_D> s
[03:07] <Pinkamena_D> but i will look into the drivers for now
[03:07] <escott> Pinkamena_D, you could try using an older kernel
[03:08] <bazhang> ox1de, unetbootin to put the iso on there, or cat if it's 11.10
[03:08] <escott> Pinkamena_D, at the grub menu select the older kernel and see if it is stable then
[03:08] <usr13> ox1de: unetbootin - installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive
[03:08] <usr13> fyi
[03:08] <MrUnagi> After all of that I cant tar the mo3s for the same error
[03:08] <persona24> Hello, I downloaded Hulu Desktop (64 bit) and installed it and it won't open. What should I do?
[03:09] <usr13> MrUnagi: WHAT error?
[03:09] <bazhang> persona24, installed from where and  how
[03:09] <Pinkamena_D> ok, i will try that
[03:09] <MrUnagi> Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character usr13
[03:09] <persona24> bazhang: the Hulu website
[03:09] <ox1de> which version of ubuntu should i put on the usb?
[03:09] <bazhang> persona24, link please
[03:10] <bazhang> ox1de, 11.10
[03:10] <plustax> Im having a great deal of trouble installing gnome3 on my netbook running ubuntu. I also cant seem to get gparted installed so I can delete the windows partition on there. I have teamviewer, can anyone help me out real quick with these things?
[03:10] <persona24> bazhang: http://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop-linux
[03:10] <usr13> ox1de: ...or what ever you have on-hand.
[03:10] <xangua> plustax: gnome3 already comes in ubuntu oneiric 11.10
[03:11] <plustax> xangua, It didnt come with mine! :(
[03:11] <ox1de> so which file am i to put on the usb? the ubuntu installer?
[03:11] <xangua> plustax: are you using ubuntu oneiric¿
[03:11] <plustax> how do I check which version im running?
[03:11] <bazhang> Hulu Desktop for Linux is currently built on Fedora 11 and Ubuntu 9.04 persona24 so it's an OS?
[03:11] <plustax> I don't think its a network version O.o
[03:12] <escott> ox1de, just follow the instructions at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[03:12] <persona24> bazhang: I'm using 11.04
[03:13] <usr13> MrUnagi: http://tuxera.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1086
[03:13] <bazhang> persona24, is hulu desktop an OS?
[03:13] <plustax> Im having a great deal of trouble installing gnome3 on my netbook running ubuntu. I also cant seem to get gparted installed so I can delete the windows partition on there. I have teamviewer, can anyone help me out real quick with these things?
[03:13] <persona24> An Operating System?
[03:13] <bazhang> plustax, which release of ubuntu
[03:14] <plustax> bazhang, not sure, how do I check?
[03:14] <plustax> im a bit noobish
[03:14] <persona24> bazhang: Oh! No, it's an app. Basically instead of going to the Hulu website you can stream on the app
[03:14] <bazhang> plustax, lsb_release -a in the terminal
[03:14] <usr13> MrUnagi: Why do you have files with weird characters?
[03:15] <MrUnagi> They're not mine....but the chars are michael bublè and such
[03:15] <bazhang> persona24, yet its built for an eol ubuntu 9.04 and not supported here. contact the Hulu forums I suppose
[03:15] <plustax> ahh im running 10.04
[03:15] <bazhang> plustax, theres no way to get gnome3 o n that
[03:15] <persona24> bazhang: Hmmm odd, it worked with my other machine running 11.04
[03:15] <plustax> bazhang, im running 10.04. Could you link me to what I SHOULD be running on this netbook? has 1g of ram
[03:16] <plustax> I would like a newer version on there
[03:16] <bazhang> plustax, 12.04 in a couple of weeks, you can in one step from 10.04 to 12.04
[03:16] <plustax> what command do I type in terminal to update to the newest version for now?
[03:16] <sacarlson> MrUnagi: I just ran a test with a dir ./this with the file tõêx.txt in it and the command rsync -avz ./this ./bar ;  and had no problem copying the directory
[03:16] <plustax> Ill upgrade to 12.04 later
[03:16] <MrUnagi> usr13: So it's just my terminal cant show Unicode
[03:16] <bazhang> plustax, it wont do it until it's released
[03:17] <plustax> bazhang, so there isnt a command to go from 10 to 11?
[03:17] <usr13> MrUnagi: I suppose so.  (I've never had such a problem.)
[03:17] <bazhang> plustax, you go to 10.10, but then the one-step upgrade option is lost
[03:18] <plustax> ahhh okay. Well I want to wipe this thing anyways to get the win partition off of here. Mind linking me to the newest netbook version available?
[03:18] <plustax> I tried finding it to no avail
[03:18] <bazhang> plustax, six month increments from 10.04 to 11.10 otherwise
[03:18] <bazhang> plustax, they're all netbook editions now
[03:18] <ox1de> my usb won't load... are you certain there isn't a way to fix the error without a usb or flash?
[03:18] <escott> plustax, netbook remix got folded into the main os
[03:18] <plustax> Like, can you link me to the 11.10 netbook edition?
[03:18] <ox1de> or cd i mean
[03:18] <drp> Does anyone know how support for 802.11n usb dongles is doing in 12.04?
[03:18] <plustax> ohhhhh
[03:18] <plustax> so if I DL 11.10 I can throw it on here with no issues then?
[03:19] <ActionParsnip> drp: #ubuntu+1 please
[03:19] <bazhang> drp as k in #ubuntu+1
[03:19] <drp> Are there manufacturers or chipsets which are known to work well?
[03:19] <bazhang> plustax, sure
[03:19] <plustax> bazhang, think itll work well? I only have a gig of ram.
[03:19] <escott> ox1de, without knowing what the cause of the error is i can't say. the quickest way to figure out the actual error is... to boot a cd/usb.
[03:19] <drp> Thanks guys/
[03:19] <bazhang> plustax, try the live cd or live usb would be my suggestion first though
[03:19] <plustax> okay ill make a live usb
[03:20] <ox1de> would you like me to post the full readout?
[03:20] <plustax> bazhang, last question. Should I just grab the 12.04 beta or should I wait
[03:20] <bazhang> ox1de, its not credible you burned the iso to usb that quickly
[03:20] <ox1de> well my usb flash doesnt seem to load
[03:20] <bazhang> ox1de, did you just drag and drop? or use unetbootin
[03:21] <escott> ox1de, it can't find the initrd or something.... usually for boot issues i just get a liveusb, its never seemed worth the time to try and figure out how to fix something that wont boot
[03:21] <bazhang> plustax, still beta, up to you
[03:22] <plustax> bazhang, is there any notable changes?
[03:22] <jamjam> is logging out w this fine? >> pkill -KILL -u $USER
[03:22] <bazhang> plustax, tons; /msg ubottu HUD and /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support
[03:22] <ox1de> "no init found. try passing hte init= bootarg. - busybox v1.13.3 (ubuntu 1:1.13.3-1ubuntu) built-in shell (ash) - initramfs[3.064173: host added: IDbus[00:1023] Guid[000ae4aaaa27c398]"
[03:22] <ox1de> thats the readout
[03:23] <bazhang> ox1de, how did the iso get on there; drap and drop or using the correct tools
[03:23] <escott> jamjam, its more than a little indiscriminant. better to gnome-session-quit or kill your session directly
[03:23] <ox1de> what do u mean?
[03:23] <escott> bazhang, i think thats his original error. i dont think he has burned a cd
[03:24] <bazhang> ox1de, iso ----> usb    how
[03:24] <bazhang> escott, he says his usb wont boot
[03:24] <plustax> bazhang, does the 12.04 beta 2 able to install with USB?
[03:25] <bazhang> plustax, sure. you could even dd it over. there are instructions for 11.10 on the ubuntu homepage that apply for 12.04 as well
[03:25] <wifioregon> So, my ipod is not showing up in my computer, itunes or dev ice manager Theres nothing wrong with the ipod itself, it works with other computers , the cord works, and my iphone shows up on this computer just fine. I tried all the stuff it says online and nothing is working at all!
[03:25] <plustax> dd?
[03:25] <wifioregon> I had virus that i got rid of manually and i think i must have screwed somehting up but i dont know what
[03:25] <escott> bazhang, my understanding is that ox1de 's installed (on the drive) system won't init. i suggested that he get a usb or cd to boot that and poke around, and that he doesn't know how to make a usb correctly (or perhaps his bios doesn't support it)
[03:25] <bazhang> wifioregon, sounds like a MAC OS X question
[03:26] <bazhang> escott, he's not answered, hard to say
[03:27] <bazhang> wifioregon, theres not an iTunes for ubuntu
[03:27] <escott> wifioregon, you left the walled apple garden. steve jobs ghost will haunt you. "For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - For the iPhone and the iPod Touch, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod"
[03:28] <wifioregon> omg wront channel! so sorry
[03:28] <wifioregon> *wrong
[03:35] <crivera> using screen, does anyone know how to open a new window and run a command?  i'm trying to build a script that launches a bunch of screens and runs a specific command in each
[03:35] <plustax> does anyone think installing 12.04 on my 1g of ram netbook is a bad idea? :/
[03:35] <jamjam> @escott ic, thanks!
[03:37] <bet0x> how i i boot an kernel from the grub shell? on a 1.98 grub
[03:39] <Pinkamena_D> well i am back
[03:40] <Pinkamena_D> i used the older version and it does not crash but instead the speed starts good but then degrades rapidly until its not even going anymore
[03:42] <Pinkamena_D> or sometimes it works fine? this things all over the place
[03:46] <Pinkamena_D> nevermind
[03:46] <Pinkamena_D> i think the old version works better
[03:46] <Pinkamena_D> why is this
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> Pinkamena_D: is the ram healthy?
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> bet0x: do you mean an old kernel?
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> plustax: ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:49] <jimmy_lo_chien_f> Hi
[03:49] <jimmy_lo_chien_f> may I ask question about rar
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> jimmy_lo_chien_f: ask away
[03:51] <jimmy_lo_chien_f> I want to extract only a file(or some files, not all), how to achieve this by rar
[03:51] <jimmy_lo_chien_f> I always extract all files in a .rar file
[03:51] <jimmy_lo_chien_f> like "rar e file dir/
[03:51] <jimmy_lo_chien_f> rar e filename dir/
[03:51] <Stryker> hey, I have two disks, one with 2 ubuntus on it, and one with an ubuntu, a debian, and a windows xp installed on it. These used to work perfectly together, but I changed some stuff in the windows boot. windows works by itself, but is not recognized in grub, and doesn't show even when i do sudo update-grub. please help
[03:52] <no-name-> How do I disable the guest account in Ubuntu 10.04?
[03:52] <anonimous> use the gui
[03:52] <anonimous> administration -> users -> guest -> disbale
[03:52] <Pinkamena_D> maybe the ram is sick
[03:52] <anonimous> disable
[03:53] <no-name-> anonimous: cheers
[03:53] <anonimous> :)
[03:53] <no-name-> darn. it's not there :(
[03:53] <anonimous> let me check
[03:53] <anonimous> just a sec
[03:54] <anonimous> no-name- can you tell me the version of ubuntu?????
[03:54] <anonimous> cat /etc/lsb-release
[03:55] <paulus68> hi all, I have this little script to get info from the squid access log file http://paste.ubuntu.com/925888/ now I want to be able to zip the file each day in the same way that Linux is archiving the logfiles for example( currentday if it's day +1 it gets a log.1 and then it's zipped how would I achieve this?
[03:55] <no-name-> anonimous: 10.04
[03:55] <ActionParsnip> paulus68: does the number increment each day?
[03:56] <anonimous> ok no-name...just a sec
[03:57] <anonimous> no-name- can you do this -> vi /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[03:57] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: I just see that it's log then log.1 then zipped like you have for example the mysql log in var/log/
[03:57] <anonimous> type i so you can get into INSERT mode
[03:58] <no-name-> anonimous, I don't have an /etc/lightdm
[03:58] <anonimous> hum...
[03:59] <no-name-> well... is the guest account at all a security risk? I've been told you should turn the Windows one off so I just figured I'd turn off my Ubuntu one too... but it doesn't really matter if it's not
[04:00] <anonimous> no-name Are you sure?
[04:00] <no-name-> sure about what?
[04:00] <anonimous> ls -la /etc | grep light*
[04:00] <anonimous> that the file doesn't exist under etc?
[04:00] <no-name-> nothing
[04:00] <anonimous> ok
[04:01] <anonimous> do you have root priv?
[04:01] <anonimous> I am reading this other threat and I noticed that users on 11.04 have been able to remove the guest account from that file
[04:02] <anonimous> take a look here... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1939899
[04:02] <no-name-> hmm
[04:02] <no-name-> 11.04 was Unity though, right?
[04:02] <anonimous> that's a safe link
[04:02] <no-name-> maybe that doesn't matter
[04:02] <anonimous> please take a look
[04:02] <ActionParsnip> no-name-: not necessarily
[04:03] <no-name-> yeah. I don't have an /etc/lightdm
[04:03] <anonimous> that's ok
[04:03] <anonimous> what about the old trick in the book? sudo userdel guest
[04:04] <anonimous> ?!?
[04:04] <anonimous> cat /etc/passwd or cat /etc/shadow
[04:04] <no-name-> user 'guest' does not exist
[04:04] <anonimous> after you do that....the guest account should be gone
[04:04] <anonimous> damm it.
[04:04] <no-name-> so it's not really a "user" per se
[04:05] <no-name-> it's just some session thing, idk
[04:05] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: what should be the easiest take the current log file rename it to a log.1 and zip and then move the log.1 to a new folder and continue to do this for each day or is there an easier way to achieve this?
[04:05] <no-name-> it's probably nothing to worry about though
[04:06] <anonimous> It has saved me before...
[04:06] <anonimous> using the guest
[04:06] <savr> hi
[04:06] <savr> where do I enable two finger scrolling?
[04:06] <savr> I installed the driver
[04:07] <anonimous> but anyway...your solution might be disabling it like this...Ubuntu 11.04
[04:07] <anonimous> http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2010/10/18/guest-session-and-guest-user-accounts-in-ubuntu/
[04:08] <sacarlson> why would sudo dhclient eth0 ; after complete it does give me an address but fails to modify /etc/resolv.conf with any changes?
[04:08] <anonimous> hello savr...
[04:08] <anonimous> you can create script and fix the problem...
[04:09] <Stryker> i have used os-prober, and update-grub, and neither find my windows xp install
[04:09] <anonimous> Dear savr please follow my instructions:
[04:09] <savr> anonimous, ok
[04:09] <anonimous> open a text editor
[04:09] <anonimous> type this exactly as I do:
[04:10] <anonimous> #!/bin/sh
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> paulus68: does the current log file name change?
[04:10] <savr> you can paste bin it
[04:10] <anonimous> synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1
[04:10] <anonimous> synclient HorizTwoFingerScroll=1
[04:10] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: No remains the same
[04:10] <anonimous> synclient EmulateTwoFingerMinW=5
[04:10] <no-name-> restricted privileges (such as not being able to read any home directory or do any permanent change to the system). <--- mmm, I guess it's nothing to really worry about anyway... maybe I'll keep it
[04:10] <anonimous> synclient EmulateTwoFingerMinZ=48
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> paulus68: then the scipt is simple :)
[04:11] <ActionParsnip> anonimous: could just make a pastebin...#
[04:11] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: you would make my day :)
[04:11] <anonimous> now...save the file as 2fsrl
[04:11] <ActionParsnip> paulus68: ok what is the log file called?
[04:12] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: the logfiles name is user.log
[04:12] <anonimous> #!/bin/sh
[04:12] <anonimous> synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1
[04:12] <anonimous> synclient HorizTwoFingerScroll=1
[04:12] <anonimous> synclient EmulateTwoFingerMinW=5
[04:12] <anonimous> synclient EmulateTwoFingerMinZ=48
[04:12] <FloodBot1> anonimous: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:12] <anonimous> sorry
[04:13] <ActionParsnip> paulus68: I think I have what I need
[04:13] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/925888/ this is the code what I am using now to modify the squid.log
[04:13] <savr> thanks!!!!!
[04:13] <savr> its working
[04:13] <C-4> How to I reset sound system in Ubuntu without restart?
[04:13] <savr> do I need to do this at every boot anonimous?
[04:14] <anonimous> yes
[04:14] <anonimous> please make executable
[04:14] <anonimous> and test before adding to startup script
[04:14] <savr> its working
[04:15] <anonimous> good
[04:17] <savr> anonimous, what line should I adjust to make it faster?
[04:17] <anonimous> the scrolling?
[04:18] <savr> anonimous, yes
[04:18] <anonimous> huhm..
[04:19] <anonimous> you might need to play a little bit with the numbers...
[04:20] <savr> anonimous, hmmm just noticed the option in mouse and touchpad settings
[04:20] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: brb
[04:20] <savr> silly me
[04:20] <ActionParsnip> paulus68: http://paste.ubuntu.com/925906/
[04:21] <anonimous> savr what happened?
[04:21] <savr> its working ;)
[04:21] <savr> thanks
[04:22] <anonimous> cheer moi drug
[04:24] <anonimous> i leave now...good luck everyone
[04:25] <ICehat> Hi
[04:25] <ICehat> Hello
[04:25] <savr> bazhang, what do you use for qq?
[04:28] <meadhikari> I have 4GB free diskspace and a 3GB file to compress, is there a way to delete the source as the file get compress
[04:29] <bazhang> savr, eva? apt-cache search qq for some options
[04:30] <gotmilk> what's the qq?
[04:30] <bazhang> gotmilk, popular protocol in Asia
[04:32] <gotmilk> from china?
[04:33] <savr> bazhang is chinese but pretends not to be because he was born abroad
[04:33] <gotmilk> ~.~
[04:34] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: thank you so much
[04:34] <gotmilk> i am a chinese .
[04:35] <savr> and you don't know what qq is?
[04:36] <ActionParsnip> savr: many users are born abroad, the world is a big place
[04:36] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: I second that :)
[04:37] <ActionParsnip> savr: I've no idea what qq is
[04:37] <gotmilk> i pretend npt to know qq ,:)
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> !info qq
[04:39] <gotmilk> just want to realise how many foreigners know it
[04:39] <gotmilk> http
[04:40] <gotmilk> http://www.qq.com
[04:40] <savr> gotmilk, I talk to chinese people ;)
[04:41] <gotmilk> hi ,
[04:41] <paulus68> thats chinese for me "as in figure of speech"
[04:42] <savr> thanks bazhang
[04:42] <savr> bye
[04:43] <gotmilk> many famous website are reset by chinese gov. such as youtube,facebook ,voa
[04:45] <Guest42610> hi
[04:46] <Guest42610> any in ohio?
[04:46] <gotmilk> as a chinese ,if we wana to vist this website ,we always use vpn or proxy
[04:47] <Guest30419> hey guys quick question when i plug in my headphones to listen to music on youtube it comes out of my speakers and headphones..how do i make it only come out of my headphones?
[04:47] <paulus68> gotmilk: why is that? any particular reason? sorry for asking but I have a brotherinlaw who has the same problem he lives in near Hongkong
[04:47] <brianp1992> is there a command to show my prossesser specs?
[04:48] <Guest42610> i need help no programs i download start?
[04:48] <aeon-ltd> brianp1992: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:48] <brianp1992> thanks  bud
[04:49] <Guest30419> anyone know how to fix this??
[04:50] <aeon-ltd> Guest30419: explainn more to the channel
[04:51] <Guest30419> aeon when i listen to music on youtube and plug in my headphones it comes out of my headphones and speakers on my laptop, i wanted the output to be only in my headphones hence thats why i plugged em in lol
[04:51] <paulus68> gotmilk: can I talk to you in private?
[04:53] <Guest30419> come on really? nobody knows how to fix this?
[04:54] <sacarlson> Guest30419: might take a look at alsamixer
[04:54] <sacarlson> Guest30419: you might find a box to check to enable headphones and or disable speakers
[04:54] <Guest30419> im new to linux sorta so im gonna need a lil more help than that lol, ive heard of alsamixer, how do i get to it
[04:55] <sacarlson> Guest30419: sudo apt-get install alsamixer ;
[04:56] <Guest30419> says unable to locate package
[04:56] <ActionParsnip> Guest30419: should be in a default install
[04:56] <Guest30419> okay so how do i open it
[04:56] <ActionParsnip> Guest30419: run:   alsamixer
[04:57] <Guest30419> k i see abunch of picture bars lol
[04:58] <ActionParsnip> Guest30419: use cursors to switch and modify levels, M to un/mute and ESC to exit
[04:58] <Guest30419> k i got it thank u
[04:58] <Guest30419> thanks action
[04:58] <ActionParsnip> Guest30419: np man
[04:58] <Guest30419> now what exactly is alsamixer?
[04:58] <ActionParsnip> Guest30419: its a CLI sound volume manager
[04:59] <sacarlson> Guest30419: there is also alsamixergui   sudo apt-get install alsamixergui ;   to open run alsamixergui
[04:59] <Guest30419> cli?
[04:59] <Guest30419> now i remember back when i tryed to skype on linux i had issues with my mic they could see me but couldent hear me, i looked it up and it said alsamixer..any settings i need to check? im seeying "mic in"
[05:00] <sacarlson> alsamixer is the control panel of your sound card
[05:00] <Guest30419> suprised the ubuntu sound settings dont have options like alsa
[05:01] <ANub_> i was wondering which browser is efficient on ubuntu in terms of performance and memory usage (Firefox or Google chrome)
[05:02] <ANub_> ive chkd chrome memory usage and found it to be more memory exhaustive
[05:02] <ANub_> i wonder if my observation is true
[05:03] <satyanash>
[05:05] <joe12> hi
[05:05] <crackx> Ypart
[05:05] <ActionParsnip> ANub_: try arora or midori
[05:06] <Guest30419> whats pcm and front for on alsa
[05:07] <joe12> can i use my tv card for system sound too?
[05:07] <alusion> Hello I just updated my linux kernel to 3.0.0-17 because my chromium was very buggy and as was the OS but after updating I still cannot play videos on chromium
[05:07] <alusion> heres the pastebin of terminal http://pastebin.com/04humwBn
[05:08] <ActionParsnip> alusion: can you pastebin the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[05:09] <ANub_> i was wondering which browser is efficient on ubuntu in terms of performance and memory usage (Firefox or Google chrome)
[05:09] <ANub_> ive chkd chrome memory usage and found it to be more memory exhaustive
[05:09] <alusion> http://pastebin.com/wk9R1wQz
[05:09] <ANub_> i wonder if my observation is true
[05:10] <ActionParsnip> alusion: you can suppress those warnings with: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[05:10] <ActionParsnip> ANub_: unless you are hallucinating, i'd say you were right
[05:11] <ANub_> nice one....:)
[05:11] <scientes> how do i disable oneconf?
[05:11] <scientes> cause its eating my cpu and i dont even use it
[05:11] <scientes> and i am opposed to its very idea
[05:11] <ActionParsnip> alusion: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-installer     then enable the partner repo and install the adobe-flashplugin  package
[05:12] <alusion> is there a way I can enable the repo and install the package from the terminal?
[05:12] <ActionParsnip> scientes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1860331
[05:13] <ActionParsnip> alusion: sure, uncomment the partner repo lines in /etc/apt/sources.list then run:  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[05:13] <ActionParsnip> scientes: do you use ubuntuone ?
[05:14] <scientes> ActionParsnip, i cant remove it cause software-center depends on it
[05:14] <scientes> ActionParsnip, and no, i dont use ubuntuone, and would like to also remove that
[05:14] <ActionParsnip> scientes: remove the ubuntuone packages and it should help
[05:14] <scientes> maybe it got my launchpad account somehow---how can i check ActionParsnip
[05:15] <CFHowlett> scientes   why remove?  Just leave it, disable it from autostarting ...
[05:15] <scientes> CFHowlett, well whatever i dont want it
[05:15] <joe12> is there any difference from the ubuntu on the site to the one dell gives on the OEM?
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> joe12: possibly some post install configs
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> joe12: I'd contact Dell
[05:16] <CFHowlett> joe12   the dell disk creator allows you to make the dell OEM disk on your machine...
[05:16] <joe12> not that worried about it jw
[05:17] <joe12> didnt know if maybe they had better drivers or somethin in the dell one
[05:18] <joe12> prolly just added bloat lol
[05:24] <alusion> thank you AP I have it working now!
[05:25] <Blue1> i just got the nice note that my ubuntu 10.10 is not longer supported.  I thought I would have till the 12.04 lts was out.  nope.
[05:26] <CFHowlett> blue1  install LTS only and you get at least 3 years support on the desktop ...
[05:26] <bazhang> CFHowlett, its five for 12.04
[05:26] <ActionParsnip> CFHowlett: Precise is 5 years desktop :)
[05:26] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: snips
[05:27] <Blue1> bazhang: downloading 12.04 beta now.
[05:27] <Blue1> i thought e-o-l would be when 12.04 final was released.
[05:30] <Artemis3> Blue1, to prevent this in the future, try to stay with the LTS until the next LTS, ie, 10.04 LTS is still supported.
[05:33] <plustax> might be a dumb question here. But I DLed the 12.04 .zip
[05:33] <plustax> where is the iso im supposed to write to my usb stick?
[05:33] <plustax> or how do I turn it into an iso?
[05:34] <Artemis3> what is inside this zip?
[05:35] <CFHowlett> plustax   .zip?  what the hey?  where did you get that?
[05:36] <Artemis3> yes im curious, i don't see any zips in the downloads...
[05:39] <plustax> umm
[05:39] <plustax> Im not sure, man
[05:39] <plustax> I just downloaded 12.04 from the main page and its a .zip
[05:39] <plustax> 700 mb or so
[05:39] <wylde> plustax, from what page? Share a link?
[05:40] <plustax> sure one moment
[05:40] <Artemis3> yes show us the link, maybe its the wubi thing?
[05:40] <plustax> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download
[05:40] <plustax> I got it from there
[05:41] <alusion> ase::PlatformThread::SetThreadPriority(base::PlatformThreadHandle, base::ThreadPriority)
[05:41] <alusion> [4024:4050:2818619423:ERROR:alsa_output.cc(684)] Failed querying delay: Input/output error
[05:41] <alusion> That's what I still get in chromium
[05:41] <Artemis3> plustax, i don't see any zips there
[05:41] <plustax> here
[05:41] <L3top_> There are no zips there
[05:41] <alusion> Whenever I try to play youtube videos
[05:41] <plustax> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download
[05:41] <plustax> err
[05:41] <plustax> wait
[05:41] <KarmaComa|2> it's an iso L3top_ not zip
[05:41] <plustax> http://releases.ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net//precise/ubuntu-12.04-beta2-desktop-i386.iso
[05:41] <KarmaComa|2> burn it on a CD
[05:41] <plustax> this
[05:42] <Artemis3> iso is iso
[05:42] <L3top_> That is what I said..
[05:42] <KarmaComa|2> plustax*
[05:42] <wylde> where did you get zip from?
[05:42] <Artemis3> thats no zip, it ends in iso
[05:42] <L3top_> perhaps hit the zsync and named it .zip?
[05:42] <plustax> well I just gave you the link that I personally downloaded but its icon is a zip icon
[05:42] <plustax> hmm
[05:42] <Artemis3> ah ignre that
[05:42] <L3top_> ok... that means it is an archive
[05:42] <Artemis3> ignore
[05:42] <L3top_> iso/zip/tar
[05:43] <plustax> okay
[05:43] <KarmaComa|2> yeah .iso maybe shown as zip icon with some zip programs
[05:43] <plustax> so I can just burn it?
[05:43] <KarmaComa|2> its normal but ignore this and just burn it on a cd
[05:43] <Artemis3> windows can associate anything to anything... if you have a program that opens zips & isos, for example.
[05:43] <CFHowlett> plustax  check the file properties - should ID as an iso type
[05:43] <plustax> KarmaComa|2, I have to do liveusb Im putting it on a netbook
[05:44] <plustax> CFHowlett, it does! Thank you I see now.
[05:44] <KM0201> plustax: it has to be burned as an image
[05:44] <KarmaComa|2> what os you are on now?
[05:44] <Artemis3> plustax, you can use Step 2 from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[05:45]  * KM0201 agrees with Artemis3
[05:45] <KM0201> i don't make bootable USB's in windows often, but when I have, that tool works flawleslly
[05:45] <KarmaComa|2> best thing is to follow Artemis3
[05:46] <L3top_> is it the HP tool?
[05:46] <L3top_> because I have nothing but success with that in win
[05:47] <Blue1> plustax: you realise that you can dd the iso image to a usb drive, right?
[05:47] <plustax> Blue1, what does that mean?
[05:48] <KM0201> Blue1: no need to confuse him... there's 50 tools to put a ISO on a usb... just follow the instructions on ubuntu's site
[05:48] <KM0201> plustax: frankly, just ignore that, follow the instructions on ubuntu's site
[05:48] <KM0201> plustax: they are there to help you with the easiest way to get the job done... use them.
[05:48] <plustax> ok
[05:49] <Blue1> KM0201: here's my recipe:  http://pkill-9.com/creating-a-usb-flash-drive-for-a-debian-install/
[05:49] <JacobVengeance> Anyone need help?
[05:49] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: funny how folks keep making them...
[05:49] <wylde> bahahaha >.< I borked my ltsp servers i386.img! (I shouldn't forget to move my customized squashfs-tools out of the way!)
[05:49] <KM0201> Blue1: i didn't say he "couldn't" use dd...  dd works fine, but... there's simple instructions on Ubuntu's site... if that doesn't work, then look at another tool
[05:49] <ActionParsnip> JacobVengeance: sure, I'm after making a server that runs like youtube but streams MY videos
[05:49] <KM0201> ActionParsnip: i don't get it?
[05:50] <ActionParsnip> JacobVengeance: With thumbnails and all that jazzle
[05:50] <Artemis3> Blue1, its a windows user.
[05:50] <Blue1> ahh okay
[05:50] <cjs> I kinda like usb-creator-gtk myself.
[05:50] <Blue1> Artemis3: skip what I said then.
[05:50] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: if there are so many, why do people make more when there is a tool that does the job
[05:50] <KM0201> cjs: he's a windows user.
[05:50] <cjs> Oops. :-)
[05:50] <KM0201> ActionParsnip: different strokes for different folks.... why are there 50 freaking web browsers available?
[05:50] <JacobVengeance> ActionParsnip, I don't know much about setting up servers. sorry.
[05:50] <plustax> yeah im making the usb stick from windows
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> JacobVengeance: np man, i've been searching a while. I think it'd be neat to have :)
[05:51] <mi3> hi!
[05:51] <KM0201> plustax: just download the tool ubuntu tells you to download, and use it.. it works perfectly
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> plustax: use unetbootin, its super easy
[05:51] <plustax> im not seeing that tool
[05:51] <plustax> okay
[05:51] <plustax> that one
[05:51] <JacobVengeance> ActionParsnip, why not just use Youtube? lol
[05:51] <KM0201> plustax: i think its called usb creator
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> JacobVengeance: it's my movies ripped etc, just thought it's be neat instead of streaming via samba etc.
[05:52] <JacobVengeance> Unetbootin is probably the easiest tool around besides classic image-usb-stick script.
[05:52] <Artemis3> Pen Drive Linux: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/#button
[05:52] <KM0201> plustax: this is the one ubuntu recommends...  http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/#button
[05:52] <reith2004x> plustax, try this one, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> oh jeez
[05:52] <KM0201> lol
[05:52] <Artemis3> unetbootin works too
[05:52] <plustax> :)
[05:52] <KM0201> yeah, it does
[05:53] <L3top_> I didn't know unetbootin was windowsy too
[05:53] <KM0201> Artemis3: but.. dd works to.. or usb-creator works, or, or, or.
[05:53] <KM0201> L3top_: i think it actually started as a windows app
[05:53] <JacobVengeance> unetbootin is on every platform it seems lol
[05:53] <cjs> Booting the Ubuntu 12.04 beta2 alternate install image on my Pentium M laptop, I get: "This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae. Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU."
[05:54] <cjs> (This is the 32-bit image.)
[05:54] <cjs> "Ahm."
[05:54] <JacobVengeance> cjs precise help is in #Ubuntu+1
[05:54] <ActionParsnip> cjs: ask in #ubuntu+1 for prerelease support
[05:54] <KM0201> cjs: you've downloaded the 32bit ISO, and have more than 3.5gigs of ram apparently, and for some reason, it won't load the pae kernel
[05:54] <wylde> what happened to the ubottu anyway?
[05:55] <L3top_> old cpu prob
[05:55] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: theres an option needed to make the kernel ignore something about the CPU
[05:55] <KM0201> wylde: he's with forrest gumps father, "on vacation"
[05:55] <JacobVengeance> KM0201, lol no. That processor doesn't support pae. Simple
[05:55] <Artemis3> KM0201, windows users rarely have a working dd installed, and last time i saw a "port", they were very quirky to use.
[05:55] <KM0201> ya
[05:55] <KM0201> i dunno, i never got a PAE error, ever
[05:55] <scientes> cjs, you can use debian, it supports older cpus
[05:56] <Artemis3> Xubuntu 12.04 also comes with a non PAE kernel iirc
[05:56] <KM0201> cjs: how old is this cpu?
[05:56] <JacobVengeance> Artemis3 beat me to Xubuntu lol
[05:56] <KM0201> xfce?
[05:56] <ActionParsnip> KM0201: age is fairly irrelevant, its the arch you need ;)
[05:56]  * KM0201 throws up in his mouth a little
[05:56] <KM0201> ActionParsnip: yeah, i just was curious as to th eprocessor that doesn't support a pae kernel
[05:56] <cjs> KM0201: About seven years, I guess? It's a 1.7 GHz Pentium M, so fairly peppy.
[05:56] <JacobVengeance> The only computer I have that can't run pae is an aold Dell D600.
[05:57] <KM0201> weird. my sister has an old 1ghz amd.. runs just fine
[05:57] <L3top_> the M is a nogo for PAE.
[05:57]  * L3top_ bets that little D600 is an M
[05:58] <JacobVengeance> My crappy desktop runs a Pentium 4 HT lol. Netbook runs an atom of course.
[05:58] <cjs> KM0201: And no, I have only 1 GB in the machine. The CPU either doesn't support PAE at all, or IBM disabled it.
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> my Core Duo U2500 has no issues :)
[05:58] <JacobVengeance> L3top_ I will look after its done syncing with repositories.
[05:58] <KM0201> cjs: probably the former
[05:59] <ActionParsnip> L3top_: thought M was mobile..?
[05:59] <Artemis3> I have the original eeepc, so its pentium M (will use xubuntu of course)
[06:00] <cjs> M is mobile, but the Pentium M is also, if I recall correctly, the basis of the Core series after the Pentium 4 architecture was abandoned.
[06:01]  * scientes has never had a computer >4GB that wasn't 64-bit capable
[06:01] <ubuntu64bit> does it mean we not using the von-neumann Architecture?
[06:01] <scientes> or seen...
[06:02] <scientes> ubuntu64bit, no modern computers use the von-neumann arch, they use the harvard architecture
[06:02] <scientes> which is a varient of the von neumann
[06:02] <scientes> and the nx bit makes it more like the von neumann
[06:03] <L3top_> M does stand for mobile... but there is a Pentium M and a Pentium 4 M, and they dropped Ms into all kinds of stuff, though its moniker indicates mobility.
[06:04] <ubuntu64bit> scientes: this is the first i heard of harvard architecture are you kidding me?
[06:04] <maslen> How do I turn off the system beep (like when I hit tab and it can't autocomplete)
[06:04] <ActionParsnip> maslen: try:  sudo modprobe -r pcspkr
[06:04] <CFHowlett> maslen   preferences>sounds
[06:04] <goddard> is there a way to disable the ubuntu toolbar but keep the ubuntu button?
[06:05] <scientes> ubuntu64bit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_architecture
[06:05] <goddard> i like how the ubuntu icon was in the toolbar in the last version of ubuntu .. can i get that back?
[06:05] <ubuntu64bit> thx i look
[06:05] <ActionParsnip> goddard: try a different icon theme
[06:05] <maslen> CFHowlett: Where is that menu? I'm using gnome-classic
[06:05] <L3top_> the pentium M (Yonah architecture) is basically a really strange pIII... actually runs faster than a lot of the 4s... but I expect this is why it wont do pae.
[06:06] <CFHowlett> maslen   System>Preferences ...
[06:06] <scientes> ubuntu64bit, oh, sorry i got them mixed up
[06:06] <ActionParsnip> P3 was solid#
[06:06] <goddard> ActionParsnip: you remember when the ubuntu icon was in the top toolbar? not the side toolbar?
[06:06] <pankaj> ActionParsnip, why are u removing module? thats not a good option
[06:06] <cjs> scientes: You've got that backwards: most modern CPUs use Von Neumann architecture. Harvard is separate instruction and data memories, which is rare (though at least one popular Hitachi microcontroller still uses that).
[06:07] <scientes> cjs, see above where i realized this
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> pankaj: why, its the module for the pc speaker, nothing more, why is that bad?
[06:07] <scientes> cjs, the nx bit does provide some seperation however
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> goddard: you can tweak the desktop to look like gnome2 if you like?
[06:07] <cjs> scientes: Oh. I'm still catching up.
[06:07] <cjs> scientes: Not at all in the same sense.
[06:08] <ubuntu64bit> scientes: this looks more like something portable devices use?
[06:08] <ActionParsnip> goddard: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/
[06:08] <goddard> ActionParsnip: im not talking about gnome 2 I like the screen saving of Unity.  Let me see if I can find a pic of what i mean
[06:08] <ActionParsnip> pankaj: even if it causes issues (Which I garuntee it won't) you can reboot or even reload the module.
[06:09] <goddard> ActionParsnip: here look at this http://www.bablotech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ubuntu-11.04-dash.jpg
[06:09] <ActionParsnip> pankaj: so where do you get 'not a good option' from?
[06:09] <ubuntu64bit> too simplistic for desktops
[06:09] <ActionParsnip> goddard: what bit a I looking at?
[06:09] <goddard> ActionParsnip: i want that ubuntu icon on the top left but disable the toolbar
[06:10] <KM0201> hmm
[06:10] <goddard> ActionParsnip: i like awn dock instead
[06:10] <ActionParsnip> goddard: ohhhhh the small ubuntu icon that sits on the panel rather than the launcher
[06:10] <goddard> ActionParsnip: ya
[06:10] <ActionParsnip> goddard: not sure dude, I know what you mean. I think they made it bigger so its more obvious for new users
[06:11] <maslen> CFHowlett: Without unity, that menu doesn't exist
[06:11] <goddard> ActionParsnip: its a bummer it was pretty slick
[06:11] <ActionParsnip> goddard: agreed
[06:11] <CFHowlett> maslen   sorry, I'm in 10.04.  thought that gnome classic presented same as mine.  Please ask the channel again.
[06:11] <maslen> How do I turn off the system beep (like when I hit tab and it can't autocomplete)
[06:11] <ActionParsnip> maslen: you can just run unity-panel in LXDE and the unity-launcher needs to be ran seperately :)
[06:12] <ActionParsnip> maslen: checked in sounds?
[06:12] <maslen> yes
[06:12] <ActionParsnip> maslen: I believe its in the volume menu, you can set the beep volume
[06:12] <Artemis3> also in alsamixer...
[06:12] <ActionParsnip> masen: its in the sound options in there
[06:12] <alusion> Is nevernote stable? And are there any alternative note taking applications similar to evernote?
[06:13] <goddard> alusion: i use tomboy
[06:13] <maslen> ActionParsnip: Where?
[06:13] <ActionParsnip> alusion: try libreoffice, or gedit...
[06:13] <ActionParsnip> maslen: the volume icon, top right...
[06:13] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: Or they want to get more seniors connected to Ubuntu :p
[06:13] <Artemis3> i think there is gnote or something, identical to tomboy, using pure c and gtk...
[06:13] <goddard> alusion: tomboy sinks with ubuntu ones help and then use ubuntu 1 on android and them tomdroid
[06:13]  * L3top_ is very fond of gedit
[06:13]  * ActionParsnip likes leafpad
[06:14]  * L3top_ installs leafpad
[06:14] <alusion> I use tomboy but it doesn't work well with clipping articles / html
[06:14] <maslen> ActionParsnip: That 'sound preferences' brings me to the same menu
[06:14] <Kris2K> hi peeps...  i'm really new to linux and i have a presentation about linux shells and switches and i'm really having tough time finding resource on what switches are and how it works, if anyone can help me out please pm i'd really appreciate it
[06:14] <alusion> I will check out gedit and leafpad :3
[06:14] <scientes> leafpad blows
[06:15] <Artemis3> alusion, switch to gnote :)
[06:15] <KM0201> leafpad isn't that bad.
[06:15] <JacobVengeance> L3top_ Yeah it is a Pentium M
[06:15] <JacobVengeance> No clue why my modem just crashed.
[06:16] <L3top_> malsen sudo alsamixer    use left and right arrow keys to find "beep" or "system" whatever and press the letter 'm'
[06:16] <L3top_> pc speaker maybe
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> scientes: why, loads quick and does what it says on the tin
[06:16]  * L3top_ always assumes people have alsa-utils installed...
[06:17] <Artemis3> Kris2K, actually i have no idea what do you mean with swiches, unless you mean the smart ones used in racks; but what would that have to do with shells?
[06:17] <maslen> Artemis3: Perhaps he means like -l
[06:18] <Artemis3> ah, those switches :)
[06:18] <pankaj> ActionParsnip, http://tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/lkmpg.html go to the unregistering a device
[06:18] <gensu> Hey im testing this connection
[06:18] <CFHowlett> gensu   loud and clear ...
[06:18] <nil8> What's up @gensu
[06:19] <L3top_> I do like me some code color formatting ActionParsnip.
[06:19] <L3top_> I primarily use vim... but I am chatting in support.
[06:20] <ActionParsnip> pankaj: so why, when people wake up from suspend, to make the wireless work they have to unload then reload the driver module to make it work?
[06:21] <Artemis3> L3mce, sudo alsamixer is not a good idea...
[06:21] <Artemis3> L3top_
[06:22] <L3top_> I believe it is the only way to get to pc speaker
[06:22] <L3top_> but dont quote me
[06:22] <ActionParsnip> gotta jet, back in 10
[06:29] <jdavis> I am trying to fill out a PDF in evince. But it fails when I try to save the filled-out form because it's "encrypted".
[06:30] <L3top_> Artemis3: I am very wrong on sudo getting you to special pc speaker control in alsamixer. Was confused by ssh... too many terminals open. I don't know why I thought I had to sudo
[06:30] <CFHowlett> jdavis   save a copy and edit in gimp ...
[06:46] <Kris2K> anyone awake...lol
[06:46] <ActionParsnip> I was thinking similar
[06:47] <Kris2K> it was loud 10 mins ago, now just got super quiet
[06:47] <CFHowlett> Kris2K   all problems solved = no reason to talk
[06:48] <Kris2K> lol
[06:48] <Kris2K> funny
[06:48] <Kris2K> if this was a bar that would sux
[06:50] <Kris2K> guess it a good time to asked question
[06:50] <ActionParsnip> Totally
[06:51] <Kris2K> new to linux and have a presentation about command (option) switch about how it works?
[06:51] <scientes> Kris2K, works like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6vYKJerstg
[06:51] <Kris2K> i'm been surfing the net for good amount of time but can't find any source... so i though i'd find some here
[06:52] <ActionParsnip> Kris2K: so "how bash works"?
[06:52] <Kris2K> yes
[06:53] <ActionParsnip> Kris2K: to what level, are we talking about how co
[06:53] <Kris2K> scientes:  thanks i'm checking it out
[06:53] <ActionParsnip> Commands get given to the kernel and cpu, or just an over view?
[06:53] <jdavis> CFHowlett: not having much luck with gimp, it doesn't seem like I can insert text into the fields. I can only create new text objects, unless I'm missing something.
[06:53] <scientes> Kris2K, but seriously, you mean GNU getopts?
[06:53] <dogarrhea2>  rename -v 's/_repaired//' *.mp3    why isn't this stripping _repaired out of my file names?
[06:54] <Kris2K> overview is good....  i'm new to linux
[06:54] <CFHowlett> jdavis   precisely what I did last time I edited a pdf ...
[06:54] <scientes> Kris2K, getopts is the standard way to do command line switches, the --long, and -s one letters
[06:55] <spannerman> hey anyone wanna chat.
[06:56] <CFHowlett> !ot|spannerman
[06:56] <ActionParsnip> Kris2K: remember to mention the $PATH variable and what it does. Mention variables too.
[06:57] <ActionParsnip> Can someone give ubottu a coffee
[06:57] <Kris2K> scientes:  thanks, but check it out .... how would i define if i say yum -y install xchat (-y is the switch for saying YES! install and without confirming?)
[06:58] <GirlyGirl> !ot | spannerman
[06:59] <GirlyGirl> !ot | spannerman
[06:59] <dogarrhea2> so.... what do people do to strip out a string from a bunch of files?
[06:59] <dogarrhea2> apparently rename is completely useless
[07:00] <GirlyGirl> nevermind bot failure
[07:00] <EvilResistance> laggy bot
[07:01] <scientes> Kris2K, this is the ubuntu channel, ubuntu doesn't use yum. well the order can matter with arguments
[07:01] <paulus68> ActionParsnip: [_]) there you go a cup of coffee for ubottu :p
[07:02] <ActionParsnip> Hehe
[07:06] <recentlydeceased> why has maverick gone EOL and 12.04 isn't even released, surely in the past EOL has coincided with the release of the latest version?
[07:06] <CFHowlett> recentlydeceased   not true.  Release dates kind of jump around depending on what Mark wants
[07:06] <CFHowlett> e.g. 10.10.10
[07:07] <recentlydeceased> sure, I never said the dates were fixed, but there was always a x-over in the past
[07:07] <recentlydeceased> hell, I remember one being released quite late
[07:07] <recentlydeceased> I never had an 18month old release go EOL before the latest version was available to replace it
[07:08] <KM0201>  recentlydeceased sure you have.. you just didn't notice
[07:08] <recentlydeceased> I now have a dead in the water OS.
[07:08] <_ruben> the release going eol and the new to be released have no corrolation whatsoever
[07:08] <recentlydeceased> KM0201, care to offer evidence of this happening?
[07:08] <KM0201> recentlydeceased: surely you've known about this for... ever?
[07:09] <KM0201> recentlydeceased: exactly what _ruben said.. there's no corrolation between the two.
[07:09] <KM0201> recentlydeceased: its not dead in the water, you can upggrade to 11.04
[07:09] <recentlydeceased> I'm not angry, just surprised, this leaves users in a weird position
[07:09] <CFHowlett> recentlydeceased   dead in the water?  You DID know the release only had 18 months support, right?  Switch to LTS releases for extended support.
[07:09] <KM0201> recentlydeceased: 10.10 was not LTS...so i'm not sure why you'd be concerned that 10.10 expired before an LTS was released
[07:09] <recentlydeceased> upgrade to 11.04, for about 2 weeks, then upgrade again
[07:10] <KM0201> actually, he'd need to go 11.04, then 11.10, then 12.04..
[07:10] <recentlydeceased> KM0201, I've  never stuck with LTS releases in the past
[07:10] <recentlydeceased> they always sucked
[07:10] <recentlydeceased> KM0201, I never upgrade either
[07:10] <KM0201> recentlydeceased: i didn't suggest LTS
[07:10] <ActionParsnip> I'd just clean install the LTS
[07:10] <recentlydeceased> fresh install
[07:10] <KM0201> recentlydeceased: then what are you griping about?.. clean install 11.10 or 12.04
[07:10] <recentlydeceased> ActionParsnip, yeah, always best
[07:11] <KM0201> or is this all about the fact you don't want to use unity
[07:11] <CFHowlett> recentlydeceased   for the record 12.04 will be LTS
[07:11] <recentlydeceased> KM0201, I'm saying that it would make sense to have a x-over
[07:11] <recentlydeceased> CFHowlett, I know
[07:11] <KM0201> recentlydeceased: i don't see how the two relate
[07:11] <recentlydeceased> CFHowlett, hopefully better than the last
[07:11] <recentlydeceased> KM0201, because I want to install an OS once every 1.5-3 years
[07:11] <KM0201> you're talking about a version that is 18mo old, and has a hard release cycle, vs. a version that is scheduled to be released later this month.
[07:11] <recentlydeceased> not have an OS for a week, jsut till the latest release comes out
[07:12] <KM0201> i don't see why you think a non-lts should somehow "x-over" with an lts release date
[07:12] <KM0201> makes no sense
[07:12]  * recentlydeceased is talking to a brick wall
[07:12] <KM0201> recentlydeceased: because you're not making any sense
[07:12] <CFHowlett> *moving on ...*
[07:12] <recentlydeceased> no, you're just failing to comprehend the reasoning
[07:13] <KM0201> it's tough to comprehend the "incomprehensible"
[07:13] <recentlydeceased> where is the sense in me running an OS till the EOL, just as a new release is about to come out, but then being left with a 2 week window of no support, forcing me to install a TEMPORARY OS for 2 weeks
[07:13] <recentlydeceased> does this not compute?
[07:14] <KM0201> no, frankly it doesn't
[07:14] <recentlydeceased> I don't want 11.04, if I did, I would've installed it
[07:14] <KM0201> not everyone clean installs a new OS every 2-3yrs, or whatever you said you do.
[07:14] <recentlydeceased> insert facepalm here
[07:14] <recentlydeceased> 1.5/3
[07:14] <recentlydeceased> normal/LTS
[07:14] <KM0201> most folks either: stay lTS, or stay current...
[07:15] <elky> recentlydeceased, you're not talking to the release managers, nor canonical support. You're talking to volunteers who support what is given within the limitations available.
[07:15]  * CFHowlett has *moved on* ...
[07:15] <Flannel> recentlydeceased: You could just coast on 10.10 for a few weeks.  It's not going to stop working, just no more updates.  You can't upgrade directly from 10.10 to 12.04 anyway, so you'll need to do some intermediate updates or get prepared for a reinstall anyway.
[07:15] <recentlydeceased> 11.04 was when Unity was introduced, 11.10 was unity too, hopefully 12.04 is a better experience than the last 2
[07:15] <KM0201> why do you think 10.10 EOL release date, would have any correlation at all to 12.04's release date, i just don't get it.. makes no sense to me.
[07:16] <recentlydeceased> Flannel, I know, I just never had this happen before, there was always a x-over (or so I thought) in the past, since dapper
[07:16] <auronandace> recentlydeceased: you do realise dapper was delayed by 2 months
[07:16] <GirlyGirl> recentlydeceased: You can go for Kubuntu or Xubuntu if you dislike unity. I'm on KDE myself and you can easily customise it to resemble gnome 2. I believe the same goes for XFCE
[07:16] <recentlydeceased> KM0201, because I've been using this since Dapper, and never seen this before, that's why I ask, and if what you say is true, I only ask for evidence to corroborate
[07:17] <recentlydeceased> *since* dapper
[07:17] <recentlydeceased> GirlyGirl, yeah, I know, thanks though
[07:17] <recentlydeceased> I have tried and run all of those DE's
[07:18] <recentlydeceased> KDE is much better as of 4.6, but still a little bloated for my wants/needs
[07:18] <GirlyGirl> recentlydeceased: Trying it in the past does not count. Have you tried the latest versions recently on a new release?
[07:18] <recentlydeceased> GirlyGirl, ^^
[07:18] <recentlydeceased> It is *much* better yes
[07:19] <recentlydeceased> but I thing Gnome is verging on bloat... tempted by awesome or xmonad
[07:19] <KM0201> verging?
[07:19] <GirlyGirl> recentlydeceased: I'd suggest giving them a new try when 12.04 comes out. At least for me KDE 4.8.2 is more usable and faster than gnome 3 shell and unity
[07:19] <recentlydeceased> Unity is bloat too, but I hear 12.04 is supposed to be much better than previous iterations
[07:20] <recentlydeceased> GirlyGirl, I will ;)
[07:20] <recentlydeceased> KM0201, yes, verging
[07:20] <recentlydeceased> Shell runs far better than Unity on 11.10
[07:20] <KM0201> hmm, i would consider it well more than "verging" on being bloated... it's driving the "bloated" bus
[07:20] <recentlydeceased> I know, I have that too on  various other machines
[07:20] <recentlydeceased> have you tried KDE
[07:20] <recentlydeceased> ?
[07:21] <KM0201> yes, but.. i'm not a fair judge, i've never liked KDE in 10yrs.. ever
[07:21] <recentlydeceased> well, by comparison it is slimline
[07:21] <Flannel> recentlydeceased: Releases have traditionally been the last thursday of the month, so there's some time for gaps.  7.04 EOLd a few weeks prior to 8.10, 7.10 EOLd a week before 9.04 was released, I'm not going to grep my emails any more :)
[07:21] <KM0201> but, but, that never happened!
[07:21] <recentlydeceased> Flannel, thank you, that is all I wanted to know ;)
[07:22] <recentlydeceased> Flannel, there was a popup last night in my updates, never seen it before... that's why I asked
[07:22] <KittyTeeth> If I cut and paste some text can I then put it into a pdf and put it in my pdf files?
[07:22] <Flannel> recentlydeceased: teh reason they're uncoupled (or more specifically, not related at all really) is because you can't hop from release N to release N+3.
[07:23] <GirlyGirl> KittyTeeth: Libreoffice can export to pdf
[07:23] <recentlydeceased> Flannel, maybe I should propose this in brainstorm... it makes sense to offer support for a couple of weeks just for those users who time their next install with releases
[07:23] <KittyTeeth> will try. thanks
[07:23] <Flannel> recentlydeceased: There is... there's 12 months of overlap.
[07:23] <recentlydeceased> Flannel, sure, but upgrades are for suckers anyhow! ;)
[07:24] <KM0201> i thought openoffice could print to PDF also?... i could have swore i done that w/ OO as well.
[07:24] <CFHowlett> KM0201   export to pdf IIRC
[07:24] <recentlydeceased> Never had an upgrade go smoothly, clean installs have been faster and less hassle
[07:24] <KM0201> hmm
[07:25] <CFHowlett> KM0201   confirmed - export as PDF
[07:25] <metaladdict> hi, i have the following command diff new.txt old.txt | grep '<'^> > hello.txt
[07:25] <metaladdict> but it isnt working proberly\
[07:25] <recentlydeceased> Flannel, I've run 2 several versions to EOL before, and then installed the latest release both times, maybe I'm a minority... staved of Unity for as long as possible on my main machine
[07:25] <KM0201> CFHowlett: ok, i thought it could ( i know i've done it lots of times w/ Libre, was pretty sure i done it with OO as well)
[07:25] <metaladdict> diff new.txt old.txt | grep '<'^>  hello.txt*
[07:25] <Flannel> recentlydeceased: I suggest you stick with LTS.
[07:26] <Flannel> recentlydeceased: Luckily, 12.04 is LTS.  But with LTS there's a whole year of overlap when the next one comes out (12.04 will have a few years, actually)
[07:26] <metaladdict> it should look up the diffrence between new.txt and old.txt and put them into hello.txt but only the diffrence
[07:27] <recentlydeceased> Flannel, but 8.04 sucked, as did 10.04 ;)
[07:27] <karthick87> Is it possible to findout ubuntu installation date ?
[07:27] <recentlydeceased> 7.10 was awesome, 8.10 was awesome, 10.10 was awesome too
[07:27] <KM0201> i thought 8.04 and 8.10 were crap.
[07:27] <recentlydeceased> anyhow, thanks folks, gtg to work
[07:27] <goddard> when looking in the ubuntu manager what is the "Source Code" check box for?
[07:28] <KM0201> 9.04 was the next version i used
[07:28] <Flannel> recentlydeceased: Well, you're just going to be stuck with some upgrade gaps then.
[07:28] <recentlydeceased> KM0201, 8.04 was, sure ;)
[07:28] <recentlydeceased> Flannel,  yeah, not the end of the world, just EOL!
[07:28] <triscuit> you'll miss precious security updates
[07:28] <recentlydeceased> oh noes
[07:28] <triscuit> you gonna get hacked
[07:29] <metaladdict> Could anyone help me witht the following: diff new.txt old.txt | grep '<'^> hello.txt , it should find the diffrence between new.txt and old.txt and put it into hello.txt BUT it isnt doing anything to hello.txt
[07:30] <wylde> metaladdict, you'd probably have better luck asking in #bash
[07:30] <metaladdict> okay, wil do
[07:32] <goddard> when looking in the ubuntu manager what is the "Source Code" check box for?
[07:32] <lancesrage> can someone tell me why i cant update my ubuntu?
[07:32] <goddard> lancesrage: not without more info
[07:32] <CFHowlett> lancesrage   version #??
[07:33] <jrib> goddard: in software manager you mean?
[07:33] <goddard> jrib: ya
[07:33] <jrib> goddard: that gives you access to the source code for the packages in ubuntu's non-restricted repositories
[07:33] <jrib> !source | goddard
[07:33] <fidel> lancesrage: error-output?
[07:33] <lancesrage> i had to wipe my computer today i have 9.04 installed and go to the update manager and click update trying to get back to old version i was on and it said it was not found
[07:34] <CFHowlett> !eol|lancesrage
[07:34] <goddard> jrib: thats the same version as getting it from the developers website?
[07:34] <fidel> lancesrage: 9.04? why arent you updating to some "at least somehow" current version? just curious
[07:34] <CFHowlett> lancesrage   9.04 is end of life - for quite some time now.
[07:34] <fidel> its like using win98 those days ;)
[07:35] <goddard> Arch never goes EOL just a heads up
[07:35] <jrib> goddard: it gets you the source for the package, which includes the original software untainted from upstream plus the packaging information (which may include ubuntu/debian-specific patches to the software)
[07:35] <goddard> jrib: i see
[07:36] <lancesrage> fidel im trying but im not so good at ubuntu
[07:38] <fidel> lancesrage: where is the problem updating the os? need help?
[07:38] <fidel> you should consider jumping to 11.10 - 12.04 will come out in this month as well
[07:38] <lancesrage> ubottu so the only way to upgrade is with another disk from a later version?
[07:38] <CFHowlett> lancesrage   download 10.04 or 11.10.  Both allow for direct update to 12.04 in a few weeks or stay with 10.04 as it has another year of support.
[07:39] <fidel> lancesrage: ubottu is a bot
[07:39] <lancesrage> sad
[07:39] <Rurd2di> go to 11.10
[07:39] <lancesrage> he gave a good answer too
[07:39] <Rurd2di> good as
[07:39] <Gubbachops> sorry im new where are the chat room?
[07:39] <fidel> Gubbachops: this is some kind of chat room
[07:39] <Rurd2di> whats up Gubbachops?
[07:39] <KM0201> Gubbachops: general chage is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:39] <sw> !ot | Gubbachops
[07:39] <fidel> Gubbachops: limited to the ubuntu topic
[07:40] <Gubbachops> ok thanks folks
[07:40] <lancesrage> fidel so is the only way to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 with a disk that has 9.10 on it?
[07:40] <GirlyGirl_> lancesrage: or via internet
[07:40] <CFHowlett> lancesrage   9.10 is also end of life ...
[07:41] <lancesrage> i know im trying to get back to 10.04
[07:41] <GirlyGirl_> lancesrage: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[07:41] <lancesrage> i had to wipe and reinstall today only disk i have is a 9.04
[07:41] <GirlyGirl_> !tab | lancesrage
[07:42] <KM0201> lancesrage: well that was kinda useless
[07:42] <Rurd2di> GirlyGirl_: hahaha, yeah poor n00bs
[07:43] <scientes> lancesrage, just install fresh 12.04
[07:43] <scientes> and keep your /home
[07:43] <MaximB> Hello, I got an audio problem, no audio at all ...what re the conf files for audio in Ubuntu ?
[07:43] <sw> !audo | MaximB
[07:44] <sw> !audio | MaximB
[07:44] <lancesrage> scientes i dont have a cd burner :(
[07:44] <Rurd2di> lancesrage: got a usb stick?
[07:44] <Rurd2di>  u can create a bootable usb stick
[07:44] <Rurd2di> and install of that
[07:44] <lancesrage> Rurd2di: my computer gave me hell last time i tried that too
[07:44] <Rurd2di> pretty easy, i dont install of disc anymore
[07:45] <lancesrage> got an error said no bootable file found on usb
[07:45] <Rurd2di> what did you use to make the bootable usb?
[07:45] <lancesrage> i dont remember it was a while back
[07:45] <MaximB> sw thanks but it doesn't show me the conf files
[07:45] <lancesrage> something i found on the forums
[07:45] <Rurd2di> hmm
[07:46] <Rurd2di> i have never had a issues installing of usb
[07:46] <Rurd2di> its normal for me to do so now days
[07:46] <rAg3-nix> lancesrage: reformat your usb to FAT32 , and load the image using unetbootin , unetbootin never failed for me
[07:46] <scientes> usb works great
[07:46] <lancesrage> rAg3-nix: ill try
[07:46] <GirlyGirl_> lancesrage: sudo dd if=/path/to/downloaded.iso of=/dev/device/node bs=1M  ... using this method should work
[07:46] <scientes> rAg3-nix, unetbootin works with any linux filesystems
[07:46] <MaximB> the sound worked with alsa (only some apps) but after I've installed pulseaudio it stopped working at all
[07:47] <lancesrage> if it fails i can always come back
[07:47] <woozly> guys, when I try to Login into xubuntu, it drops me to tty (console), then drop back to logon screen with as first time.
[07:47] <woozly> why?
[07:47] <rAg3-nix> scientes: yes it does , but will it boot as well ?
[07:47] <GirlyGirl_> lancesrage: "sudo dd if=/path/to/downloaded.img of=/dev/device/node bs=1M" always works and produces the fastest live image as fat is slower
[07:47] <nhorning> hello everyone.  I used usbmodeswitch to get my GSM modem working (it does) but afterword my USB drives stopped recognizing volumes.  I don't even see them in disk utility. But dmesg shows that the usb drive is present.  Wat do?
[07:47] <jrib> woozly: check ~/.xsession-errors
[07:48] <scientes> rAg3-nix, yes it will, however, you cant install to the partition you installed it to
[07:48] <rAg3-nix> scientes: i never tried with anything other than fat32 , once i did with ext2 and it refused to boot :( !!
[07:48] <rAg3-nix> scientes: oh ohk
[07:49] <GirlyGirl_> woozly: Sounds like xfce configuration problems ? Did you do any setting or package changes recently? Also #xubuntu may be better
[07:49] <woozly> okay, thanks Ill check
[07:50] <asus_> xfce has a bug on sounds card
[07:51] <asus_> also one on the terminal
[07:52] <lancesrage> well ill bbl if this does not work out
[07:52] <lancesrage> ty all who helped
[07:52] <nlici> Goodmorning to Europe and Goodnight for Usa
[07:52] <nlici> short question how can i download turkish language pack to ubuntu 11.10
[07:53] <asus_> nlici,i have the same question
[07:53] <GirlyGirl> nlici: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/session-language.html
[07:54] <nhorning> Any help with my inability to use usb drives?
[07:55] <derebel> ubuntu detects and mounts some dvds but not others, i have the basic dvd libraries installed but i'm not sure what the issue is since it wont even mount
[07:57] <MaximB> o does anyone know of ubuntu sound conf files ?
[07:59] <GirlyGirl> derebel: What is the error message if you mount from terminal
[07:59] <subdesign> hi
[08:00] <CFHowlett> subdesign   greetings
[08:00] <sacarlson> derebel: my guess is it's just bad media or bad dvd reader since some are working
[08:01] <parenta> halo
[08:01] <derebel> GirlyGirl, for some discs i cant find a device in /dev to mount, for others i have dvd or dvd5 and attempt to mount to a directory in /media just hangs
[08:01] <parenta> ada yang bisa ubuntu ga
[08:01] <GirlyGirl> derebel: Possibly bad media or reader
[08:01] <derebel> sacarlson, disc is readable in multiple readers and this same reader in another system (debian 6) mounts fine
[08:01] <parenta> hellow
[08:02] <parenta> hello
[08:02] <derebel> GirlyGirl, mounts fine in same reader in debian 6, reads great in dvd player
[08:02] <derebel> it's an external hp dvd/cd burner if it matters
[08:02] <innociv> What is the command to view a files permissions?