  Mind you it's only my second or third one.
[09:34] <johnjohn> couldn't wait for the cd's in the mail so i d/l edubuntu
[09:35] <johnjohn> well cya
[02:47] <frank3265948> Hi everybody, could sb give me a hint how to turn an installed Ubuntu into Edubuntu? I would expect it would be possible to add some Edubuntu repository locations and install the Edubuntu packages from there... But how?
[02:54] <spacey_ki> frank3265948, type `apt-cache search edubuntu` or search for edubuntu in synaptic
[02:54] <spacey_ki> and install the parts you like from edubuntu
[02:54] <spacey_ki> edubuntu-desktop will do most of the trick
[02:54] <spacey_ki> for an edubuntu desktop
[02:56] <frank3265948> Thanks! That is really easy :-))
[03:05] <mhz> has anyone seen jelkner or kjcole today?
[03:08] <juliux> no
[03:10] <mhz> juliux: hey
[03:10] <mhz> juliux: i sometimes forget you are a total geek!
[03:10] <mhz> ;)
[03:11] <mhz> I could not have expected more from a geek answer: 1 or 0
[03:11] <mhz> :D
[03:11] <frank3265948> Another question, are there any Edubuntu or Ubuntu resources in Hungarian for 12 year olds, especially an introduction to using the PC and the Internet?
[03:12] <juliux> mhz, hehe
[03:12] <juliux> mhz, do you want to have a thin client?
[03:12] <mhz> want to have?
[03:12] <mhz> YES!
[03:12] <juliux> mhz, i will check what it cost to send one to you
[03:12] <mhz> juliux: I hope you will not tell me: "me too"
[03:12] <mhz> juliux: wowo!!!
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: thank you ver VERY VERY much!
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: what have I done to deserve this?
[03:13] <juliux> mhz, i get 6 thinclients from a company to develop and test edubuntu
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: congrats!
[03:14] <juliux> and a friend of me has also 26 thinclients
[03:14] <mhz> Are there companies in Germany interested in Edubuntu development?
[03:14] <juliux> it is a very small company
[03:14] <mhz> frank3265948: I can't quite understand the question. Could be more specific please?
[03:14] <juliux> and the sell thinclients on ebay and i ask them if i can get some cheaper for edubuntu development
[03:15] <juliux> and i think that you can use on very good
[03:16] <mhz> juliux: I truly appreciate your offer
[03:16] <mhz> and I gladly accept it
[03:16] <mhz> kjcole: hey
[03:16] <mhz> kjcole: are we meeting with jelkner?
[03:16] <frank3265948> Ok, I'm preparing a PC with Edubuntu for Domi, a 12 year old girl in Hungary. She knows verly little English only. That's why I'm asking about any kind of resources in Hungarian, books, articles,...
[03:17] <juliux> but i have to check what the shipit cost and what the taxes must paid
[03:17] <mhz> frank3265948: oh, you mean books, writings or Applications?
[03:17] <kjcole> mhz: G'morning.  We're both just setting up.  Elkner was getting the diet cokes. ;-)
[03:17] <juliux> mhz, can you send me your address to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:18] <mhz> juliux: sure!
[03:18] <kjcole> mhz: He's still booting up his laptop.  Joining us momentarily.
[03:18] <mhz> juliux: i am about to start a meeting. After that, you'll get an email from me
[03:18] <juliux> ok
[03:18] <mhz> kjcole: MOMENTARILY?
[03:18] <mhz> oops, sorry Caps
[03:19] <kjcole> mhz: In a moment...
[03:22] <jelkner> mhz: good morning, mauricio, i haven't spoken to you since yesterday! ;-)
[03:22] <mhz> kjcole: and what # would this be?
[03:22] <kjcole> mhz, "...and then there were three..." ;-)
[03:22] <mhz> jclinton: hehe, welcome back
[03:22] <mhz> jelkner: hehe, welcome back
[03:22] <jelkner> btw. do you have the log from yesterday?
[03:22] <mhz> DUH!!!
[03:23] <mhz> this autocompleting
[03:23] <mhz> jelkner: yup, sorry i haven't sent it
[03:23] <mhz> i will right away
[03:23] <jelkner> gracias!
[03:23] <mhz> nada de gracias... U$1,000
[03:23] <mhz> :D
[03:23] <kjcole> lucasvo, ping?
[03:24] <mhz> jelkner: where should we move?
[03:24] <mhz> or will stay here?
[03:24] <jelkner> well, we could pop over to #ubuntu-dca
[03:25] <mhz> I will accept what you guys tell me
[03:25] <kjcole> mhz, go there. ;-)
[03:26] <mhz> okis
[03:26] <jelkner> mhz: never mind, why not stay here?
[03:27] <mhz> hehehe
[03:27] <jelkner> i know where the logs go for this channel
[03:27] <jelkner> and we may need to ping ogra
[03:27] <mhz> I'm here then
[03:27] <jelkner> ok, here is the plan:
[03:28] <jelkner> 1. we take the existing text, and editing as little as possible, we convert it from tuxlabs to edubuntu
[03:28] <jelkner> 2. we start adding new material, screen shots, etc. specific to the dapper edubuntu release
[03:29] <jelkner> we are well on our way to completing 1
[03:29] <mhz> .oO(so far, so good
[03:29] <littlepaul> jelkner, what about a edubuntu faq like http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntufaq?
[03:29] <jelkner> 2 will need to wait until later toward spring when we have a running edubuntu to work with
[03:30] <jelkner> littlepaul: i don't know anything about the faq
[03:30] <jelkner> are you working on it?
[03:30] <littlepaul> atm yes, but not daily..
[03:31] <jelkner> littlepaul: neither kevin or i can read german
[03:31] <littlepaul> jelkner, I read the #edubuntulogs and try to select important things...; in the near future we will translate the site
[03:32] <jelkner> great
[03:32] <littlepaul> jelkner, i will contact you
[03:32] <jelkner> later on, we can compare docs for consistency, completeness, etc
[03:32] <mhz> faq/ if this is important, maybe we could run a poll or survey on the ML
[03:32] <jelkner> it is way to early to do that now
[03:32] <mhz> faq/ and have them submit a list of Q/A
[03:33] <jelkner> ok, we need to get back to working on the book
[03:33] <mhz> yup
[03:33] <jelkner> mhz: how did you want to help?
[03:34] <mhz> jelkner: simply reading and complementing info, addng screenshots, and maybe sections for endusers
[03:34] <mhz> Adding edubuntu everywhere
[03:34] <mhz> :)
[03:34] <kjcole> mhz, (FYI: My time today is short...  I've got out-of-country visitors coming early next week.)
[03:35] <jelkner> perhaps the best bet is to let kevin and i finish stage 1, and then distribute what we come up with to all interested folks
[03:36] <jelkner> we still don't have a revision control system working
[03:36] <mhz> kjcole: np, i understand
[03:36] <jelkner> so we'll just be emailing each other tar balls
[03:36] <jelkner> and getting together in person
[03:37] <mhz> jelkner: what is the issue with RCS? hosting or making it work?
[03:37] <kjcole> mhz, do you have your own web space anywhere that is NOT a wiki?  (Just a place where you can dump files?)  Until "bzr push" works the way we'd like, the only option is for me to pull changes from other people's web spaces.
[03:37] <jelkner> we found a place to host
[03:37] <jelkner> making it work is the problem
[03:37] <jelkner> if  you know bzr
[03:37] <jelkner> and wish to help that way
[03:37] <jelkner> you could work with paul flint to make it work
[03:38] <mhz> kjcole: ehehe, I can offer SSH access to either 'ubuntu-cl.org' or 'tecnocimiento.cl'  (i prefer the first)
[03:38] <jelkner> that would be great
[03:38] <jelkner> mhz: we have a machine
[03:38] <mhz> and make BZR test as a server
[03:38] <jelkner> we just don't know how bzr works
[03:38] <mhz> bzr shouldn't be that complex
[03:38] <mhz> I can try and report on monday/tuesday
[03:41] <kjcole> mhz, jelkner is trying to phone flint.  I think we may have a solution to the bzr problem...
[03:41] <mhz> cool
[03:43] <kjcole> mhz, the idea would be that each person working on the cookbook would get their own account on a box that flint has, which is ONLY for documentation. That gets around the problem of opening up my office's computers to the outside world.
[03:43] <kjcole> mhz, I've gotten in trouble once before (BIG trouble) for doing that.
[03:43] <mhz> kjcole: I understand
[03:44] <mhz> I have never had problems so far
[03:44] <mhz> because SSH is used by trusted people via SSH-keys
[03:44] <kjcole> mhz, the master repository would move to my account on flint's machine, which he's setting up as docbox.flint.com (I don't know if he's finished that yet).
[03:45] <kjcole> mhz, the problem was that someone I trusted betrayed me.  It wasn't a random stranger.  I was helping a student, and he found a way to hack into all of campus using my system.
[03:45] <mhz> kjcole: oooooooppps
[03:46] <mhz> sheets!!!
[03:47] <kjcole> mhz, the director of computer services called campus security, who overreacted and called the FBI computer crime squad.  I was not allowed on campus for three months, my comptuer was confiscated, and I was lucky to get a job back.  So, now I'm very, very paranoid.  Not about people off-campus, but about gallaudet overreacting again.
[03:48] <mhz> kjcole: i am truly sorry
[03:48] <mhz> and i guess/hope that wont happen again
[03:49] <mhz> we need you to have that job so you can have time to help us :)
[03:50] <kjcole> mhz, not a problem.  It's just that I'll put stuff on these machines for people to "pull" to their machines, but there's no way I'm going to give write access.  And this gallaudet comptuers are the only place that I can set up bzr.  But by setting up on flint's machine which is running ubuntu, the problem is solved... I hope.
[03:50] <mhz> me too
[03:50] <mhz> and in case that wont work, we can still use ubuntu-cl.org
[03:51] <kjcole> mhz, that's also a strong possibility.
[03:51] <mhz> something like educookbook.ubuntu-cl.org
[03:52] <mhz> or screw up
[03:52] <mhz> :)
[03:53] <kjcole> mhz, There's a fun idea!  (We had a great presentation to students on UML from a local guy here.)
[03:54] <kjcole> mhz, jelkner's finally gotten a hold of flint and he's explaining the details now.
[03:54] <mhz> educool
[03:55] <kjcole> mhz, jelkner's encouraging flint onto #edubuntu
[03:55] <kjcole> mhz, he should be joining us in a moment.
[03:56] <mhz> kjcole: I know nothing about UML just the theory and some benefits I imagine
[03:56] <kjcole> mhz, The presentation is online... I THINK on yhslug.tux.org.
[03:57] <mhz> (gee, I am not sure this is an a11y issue, kjcole but I do mix stuff when writing)
[03:57] <mhz> flint: welcome
[03:57] <kjcole> http://yhslug.tux.org/presentations/uml.tar.bz2
[04:01] <flint> mhz, you there?
[04:01] <mhz> flint: alive and kicking
[04:02] <mhz> ;)
[04:03] <flint> mhz is "mhz" an acceptable username?
[04:03] <mhz> hmmm, it stands for Mauricio Hernandez Zamora
[04:03] <mhz> my real name
[04:03] <flint> i mean like a shell logon identifier?
[04:03] <mhz> ooh, yes
[04:03] <jelkner> mhz, flint, let us know how it goes...
[04:04] <jelkner> i'm going to sign off and work on editing
[04:04] <mhz> flint: my ssh key was genearated from mhz user
[04:04] <jelkner> my little pooh brain can't mulittask very well :-(
[04:04] <kjcole> ok, jelkner and I are pulling out for now.   You and flint will be working out details of DNS registration and user access.  I'll move the repository to docbox.flint.com...
[04:04] <mhz> jelkner: it's the diet cokes
[04:04] <jelkner> same time next week
[04:04] <jelkner> lol
[04:04] <jelkner> not to mention fits, but more about that later
[04:05] <flint> mhz hang on the channel...we have business.
[04:05] <mhz> flint: okis
[04:05] <kjcole> mhz, you got that right.  And thanks for reminding me.  I need my third one for the morning... Caffeine!!!
[04:05] <mhz> kjcole: hehe
[04:05] <mhz> lol
[04:05] <flint> what is your phone number?
[04:05] <mhz> kjcole: have noice day with visits
[04:05] <mhz> flint: mine?
[04:05] <flint> elkner, you need an account on this box as well.  Trust me.
[04:06] <mhz> flint: no idea on which machine you are working on, but I can send you my ssh-key public part
[04:06] <flint> mhz, never mind.  are you familiar with the lower case name of a long, yellow fruit in english?
[04:06] <mhz> yup :D
[04:07] <mhz> though, no code-monkey here :D
[04:07] <flint> I do not have this machine in dns yet.
[04:07] <flint> the ip address is: <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:07] <mhz> okis
[04:07] <flint> you have shell priviledges on this system.
[04:08] <flint> I thought this meeting was at 10:00 EDT... good grief!
[04:08] <flint> you are not there yet!
[04:08] <mhz> flint: i'm there
[04:08] <flint> yes indeed you are!  do you know ytalk?
[04:09] <mhz> nope, but i can try
[04:11] <flint> grrr it is not working hold on...
[04:12] <flint> got it...
[04:13] <flint> try ytalk flint...
[04:13] <flint> hold on let me loose root.
[04:14] <mhz> heheh
[04:14] <mhz> I was reading man
[04:14] <flint> thanks for your patience...please try again...
[04:14] <mhz> what should I press to accept?
[04:14] <flint> Y i suppose...
[04:15] <flint> hang on I am getting eric-the-weasel on line...
[04:16] <mhz> -bash: Y: command not found
[04:16] <mhz> hmm, let's try again
[04:17] <flint> gotcha...  I saw you come up but forgot to press y
[04:17] <mhz> oh, y intead of Y
[04:17] <mhz> hmm, let's try again
[04:17] <mhz> :)
[04:17] <mhz> nope
[04:18] <flint> thanks for your patiencey
[04:18] <mhz> no y either
[04:18] <flint> thanks again try.
[04:18] <mhz> new_user: bad host: 'none':
[04:19] <flint> got to add another user now.  try ytalk -h <IP_ADDRESS> flint
[04:20] <flint> ok now let us try this one more time...\
[04:20] <mhz> okis, i wait
[04:21] <mhz> seems ok?
[04:22] <mhz> what if we use 'write' messaging application?
[04:22] <flint> hold
[04:23] <mhz> okis
[04:23] <mhz> flint: I am very patient, esp. whith new things for me, so I am very relax
[04:23] <mhz> sont worry
[04:23] <mhz> dont worry
[04:24] <flint> hold got problems with other user...
[04:25] <flint> got rid of other user...yay!
[04:25] <flint> ok.  one problem is that this box thinks its name is "none".  Its name is docbox.
[04:25] <flint> any ideas?
[04:26] <mhz> flint: hmm, what if we use write?
[04:26] <mhz> do you see my messages in your terminal?
[04:27] <flint> i have never had luck with it.  you are on, so I am working on getting this box set up to be very usable.
[04:27] <mhz> okis
[04:27] <mhz> what if we chanfe the hostname?
[04:27] <flint> I have messages.
[04:27] <flint> check the hostname file...
[04:27] <mhz> can you respond them starting with write?
[04:28] <mhz> oh, rihgt
[04:28] <flint> what is the syntax for write?
[04:28] <mhz> maybe you set it but you have not rebooted sonce then?
[04:28] <mhz> write user
[04:28] <mhz> and just write stuff
[04:28] <flint> for gods sake.  this is linux, now windows :^)
[04:28] <mhz> hehehe
[04:28] <mhz> sorry
[04:29] <mhz> restarted the service?
[04:29] <mhz> :D
[04:29] <flint> did not work with write.  send me the exact syntax of a message you write to me.
[04:29] <mhz> $ write flint <enter>
[04:30] <mhz> and I guess you should write back like
[04:30] <flint> got it.  the brackets have eluded me hold...
[04:30] <mhz> $ write mhz
[04:30] <mhz> or
[04:30] <mhz> $ write hi back
[04:30] <mhz> :)
[04:30] <flint> you sent the word "holas" please cut and paste that line into this stream.
[04:31] <mhz> $ write flint <ENTER>
[04:31] <mhz> holas
[04:32] <flint> ok, I got it, I hate this.  the idea is you must open and close the command line stream... back to ytalk.
[04:32] <mhz> hehehe
[04:32] <flint> give me a mon
[04:32] <spacey_ki> i recommend using irc
[04:32] <spacey_ki> :)
[04:33] <flint> spacey_ki, nothing beats ssh and ytalk for discretion... but your point is well taken...
[04:34] <spacey_ki> whats discreet about it?:P
[04:34] <flint> well, we want to work on this particular system, and we are both remote to it.
[04:35] <mhz> flint: so, just enter doesn't keep it open?
[04:35] <flint> mhz, see what i mean?
[04:35] <mhz> flint: oh, but if you wait until i reply ?
[04:36] <flint> btw thanks for the write lesson.  I was never able to get the silly thing right (write:^)
[04:36] <mhz> :)
[04:37] <flint> mhz did you see  twelve lines scroll by on your terminal?
[04:37] <mhz> yup
[04:37] <mhz> but what if you dont press CTRL-D
[04:37] <mhz> ?
[04:37] <mhz> and I try to respond
[04:38] <flint> if you end your wriite session with an <enter> key how can you send me a multi line write?
[04:38] <flint> I presume without further guidance, that the only way to terminate a write session is with a file close...
[04:38] <mhz>  Any further lines you enter will be copied to the specified users terminal.  If the other
[04:38] <mhz>      user wants to reply, they must run write as well.
[04:38] <flint> file closes can be mapped to whatever, but on my terminal they are not mapped to enter
[04:39] <flint> lemme work on this machine name problem and then the dns registration.  This box will be called docbox.flint.com
[04:39] <mhz> The traditional protocol for writing to someone is that the string -o, either at the end of
[04:39] <mhz>      a line or on a line by itself, means that its the other persons turn to talk.  The string
[04:39] <mhz>      oo means that the person believes the conversation to be over.
[04:41] <flint> in the world of galladuette university, a tradition exists within the hearing impaired community to conclude tty with the string "sksk"
[04:41] <flint> this translates to "stop key stop key", arent these things wonderful to know?
[04:42] <mhz> heheh, indeed
[04:42] <mhz> but I keep seeing EOF ;)
[04:43] <flint> even with the -o at the end I still need to send a <control> d in order to get the message away in write...
[04:43] <flint> any ideas on the machine name?
[04:44] <mhz> what if we used 'talk' only?
[04:44] <mhz> $ talk user
[04:44] <flint> you chew on that I am going to try to figure why the weasel cannot log on.
[04:45] <mhz> okis
[04:45] <flint> that is going around the problem and may not do the job.  worth a try i suppose.  btw you got a skype terminal?
[04:45] <mhz> heheh, nope
[04:45] <mhz> no skype, no AMSN, no Gaim
[04:45] <mhz> only irc
[04:45] <mhz> no Kopete
[04:45] <flint> just thinking about my case of carpel tunnel... :^)
[04:45] <mhz> (though Kopete was started by a Chilean fella)
[04:46] <mhz> ohh
[04:46] <mhz> sorry
[04:46] <mhz> I have Gnome-Meeting
[04:46] <flint> stand by and let me work on this login problem.  see if you can figure out how to chang this damn boxes name from "none"
[04:48] <mhz> flint: piece of cake
[04:48] <mhz> as root, edit /etc/hostname
[04:48] <mhz> and change it for whatever
[04:49] <mhz> then, /etc/init.d/hostnmae.sh restart
[04:49] <mhz> well, flint with no typos :D
[04:50] <flint> will try... note that hostname is already changed.
[04:50] <mhz> then
[04:50] <mhz> just run /etc/init.d/hostname.sh
[04:51] <mhz> and, after that, relogin so terminal get refreshed
[04:51] <flint> never encountered the hostname shell before... thought it got read at login or by inetd or whatever...
[04:52] <mhz> :)
[04:52] <flint> did not work.
[04:52] <mhz> you will know 'hostname' has been changed because when you run 'hostname' it will show
[04:52] <mhz> ?
[04:52] <flint> flint@none:~ $ ytalk mhz
[04:52] <flint> new_user: bad host: 'none':
[04:53] <mhz> flint: you have not run '/etc/init.d/hostname.sh restart' have you?
[04:54] <flint> oh indeed i did... and notice that /etc/hostname is "docbox"
[04:54] <flint> ...beginning to think a reboot is a good idea :^)
[04:55] <mhz> and I am not in 'admin' group so I can't do it for you, but it must work
[04:55] <flint> i know...
[04:55] <mhz> because it works on my 2 ubuntu boxes
[04:55] <mhz> without rebooting
[04:56] <mhz> and does '/etc/init.d/hostname.sh restart' give you any output?
[04:56] <flint> not a thing...
[04:56] <flint> let me take this apart a bit.
[04:57] <mhz> ehehehe, but please remove me from admin group after we solve this
[04:57] <mhz> okis
[04:57] <mhz> it works
[04:58] <mhz> flint: you have to exit and login back again to see the changes
[04:58] <flint> i did that.  I just executed the gnu hostname command and the box appears to be docbox...
[04:58] <flint> hang-on.
[04:59] <mhz> again pleasw :)
[05:00] <mhz> at least no more bad host
[05:01] <flint> now that the name is working things are gettgin better
[05:02] <flint> I could try talk...
[05:02] <flint> [Ringing mhz...]
[05:03] <mhz> but nothing happens
[05:03] <flint> this should not be this hard.... :^(
[06:13] <writer> Hi noch ein mal. I need the help. Who know how make LiveCD Edubuntu?
[06:14] <lucasvo> writer: there is a livecd
[06:14] <writer> Where?
[06:14] <lucasvo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/
[06:15] <lucasvo> writer: but it is quite new, so there are some bugs
[06:16] <writer> And may I self make LiveCD from my system. I mix ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu very nice
[06:17] <lucasvo> writer: I don't know about that
[06:20] <writer> OK. Who used Edubuntu in school? I intersting usability of Edubuntu.
[06:22] <writer> lucasvo: on the link I saw only  MD5SUMS  08-Jan-2006 01:04    0     MD5SUMS.gpg             08-Jan-2006 01:04  189     report.html             08-Jan-2006 00:54  253
[06:22] <lucasvo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060105/
[06:26] <writer>  lucasvo: O! Thanks, I found
[06:32] <mhz> writer: I have used Edubuntu in schools
[06:33] <mhz> writer: so far, Edubuntu is very cool
[06:34] <mhz> for schools env.
[06:34] <writer> env.? what is this? What kind classes?
[06:35] <mhz> environment
[06:35] <mhz> Mat classes?
[06:35] <mhz> math
[06:36] <mhz> and language
[06:36] <mhz> for young kids
[06:36] <mhz> but for me it's been only testing, not on regular basis
[06:36] <writer> What age young kids?
[06:37] <writer> and where.


 Yourself? Enjoying Europe?
[22:21] <hazmat> morning
[22:24] <hatch> huwshimi so far so good
[22:24] <hatch> hey hazmat any idea on the start time?
[22:26] <hazmat> hatch, wiki page says 9am
[22:26] <hatch> ohh ok cool
[22:27] <hatch> I had a nap, big mistake
[22:27] <hatch> lol
[22:41] <hazmat> hatch, yeah.. i almost fell asleep around 6, rallied and went back out..
[22:41] <hazmat> looks like just about everyone was checked in as of 7 minus william and one cisco guy
[22:41] <hatch> ahh cool good to hear
[22:42] <hatch> yeah I pretty much passed out about 5:30 to 7:30
[22:47] <rick_h_> hatch: you're missing all the fun
[22:47] <hatch> oh?  Well it's not bad on a good 4-5" day
[22:49] <rick_h_> after 9 of them and going out three times and it still coming down I think I'm pretty good
[22:49] <hatch> haha yes it does get tiresome
[22:50] <hatch> wb huwshimi, still crappy internet?
[22:50] <hatch> rick_h_ I had no idea you guys got that much snow
[22:53] <rick_h_> hatch: well every couple of years we get a good foot of fun
[22:53] <rick_h_> hatch: normally it's just a few inches at a time
[22:53] <hatch> ahh yeah I can almost no longer throw the snow over the side of my driveway anymore
[22:54] <hatch> but that's just a yearly thing heh
[22:54] <rick_h_> yea, getting tough today. I'm not looking forward until tomorrow.
[22:55] <hatch> so does the city have the infrasructure to deal with the snow?
[22:55] <rick_h_> yea, almost. A lot will be closed due to the foot
[22:55] <rick_h_> schools are already closed
[22:55] <rick_h_> usually because the standard is if a school bus can get kids off the dirt roads
[22:55] <hatch> ohhh yeah
[22:55] <rick_h_> and the dirt roads are a 4x4 only area right now
[22:56] <hatch> It was snowing really bad in Ottawa before we took off, you should see the huge plow/brush things they have to clean the runways
[22:57] <hatch> they say that one can do a full runway in 20mins
[22:57] <hatch> and they were running 3 haha
[22:57] <rick_h_> nice
[22:57] <rick_h_> my neighbor has one of those 24+" two stage monster throwers
[22:57] <hatch> they looked like this http://stuckattheairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Denver_B_Denver-Airportsnowremovalequipment-500x333.jpg
[22:58] <hatch> lol!
[22:58] <rick_h_> I shovel for a few hours and he does 4 passes on his driveway
[22:58] <hatch> haha he doesn't help? :P
[22:58] <rick_h_> nice, now that'll move some snow
[22:58] <rick_h_> oh he offers, but I tend to get out early/often before he comes out
[22:58] <rick_h_> when shoveling I find more passes == better
[22:59] <rick_h_> while he waits for it all to be done and then lets the beastly machine do the work at once
[22:59] <hatch> haha yes, smaller chunks makes it easier on the back
[22:59] <hatch> a guy on our street has a blower and does the sidewalks, but odly enough he turns around halfway down my sidewalk lol
[22:59] <rick_h_> lol
[22:59] <rick_h_> you need to send cookies
[23:00] <hatch> haha, well my house is a good 6 from his
[23:00] <hatch> but it's odd that he does half
[23:00] <hatch> every-time
[23:04] <huwshimi> hatch: I guess so. Dunno what's going on.
[23:04] <hatch> :) hows that carousel thingy comin?
[23:07] <huwshimi> hatch: It works, just need to fix bugs and write tests.
[23:07] <hatch> coolio
[23:07] <hatch> you should get it up for others to take a peek
[23:12] <hatch> rick_h_ http://saved.io/login.php?bkm=&list= maybe a new feature for bookie? :)


[20:00] <jledbetter> pleia2, Maybe it'll be a conversation starter. "Don't you mean social/ly/ exciting?" Then you can say "Yes! It is! Here's how you sign up..." ;)
[23:06] <Tubu> Hi all!
[23:07] <Tubu> hm... probably not a meeting moment...
[23:08] <IdleOne> Hello Tubu
[23:08] <Tubu> ok, it will be for another UbUntU time...
[23:08] <Tubu> ow
[23:08] <Tubu> Hi idleOne
[23:10] <Tubu> I'm looking for some info about the ubuntu-women.org...
[23:11] <IdleOne> what sort of info?
[23:12] <Tubu> I  come here from the launchpad, where I discover the group and subscribe to it...
[23:12] <Tubu> I would like to know more about the purpose of the group and how it is working...
[23:12] <Tubu> Is there "projects" for exemple?
[23:13] <IdleOne> take a look at the website there is all the info.
[23:13] <IdleOne> perhaps this link will help http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/GetInvolved
[23:14] <Tubu> I when on it, but it seems (for me) really unconcrete (I mean abstarct)
[23:15] <IdleOne> I am not sure I am best placed to answer your questions. I would suggest signing up to the mailing list and introduce yourself to the team.
[23:15] <Tubu> are there sometime real meeting or action, I mean? cause i didn't saw any mention of that kind.
[23:16] <hypatia> Tubu: we;ve run a couple of contests in the past, and have an active mentoring program
[23:17] <IdleOne> here is someone who can probably help you better then I could :)
[23:17] <Tubu> : o)
[23:17] <Tubu> thanks already IdleOne!
[23:20] <Tubu> but i didn't understoud the point of the group (stupid question thus:) does the group want to "show" the quota of women using/developping Ubuntu?
[23:20] <valorie> Tubu: a lot of our project is social
[23:20] <Tubu> ah
[23:20] <valorie> integrating women into the Ubuntu project at large
[23:20] <valorie> one of our members does keep track of Ubuntu Membership statistics
[23:21] <valorie> but that isn't primary to the remit of the group
[23:21] <valorie> it's just useful to see how much work remains
[23:21] <valorie> you could look at me as a test case
[23:22] <valorie> long-time linux user, very reluctant to get involved as a contributor
[23:22] <Tubu> "test case"... : o )
[23:22] <valorie> because of my impression of the social structure
[23:23] <valorie> however, with the urging of my fellow U-W members, I did go for Kubuntu Membership, and sponsorship to UDS
[23:23] <valorie> and am part of the Kubuntu team
[23:23] <Tubu> do you mean you stay "passive" a long time before being active?
[23:23] <valorie> as far as contribution - yes
[23:24] <valorie> of course I'm not a passive person, and had other projects going
[23:24] <valorie> but as far as committing to be a part of Ubuntu -- UW got me here
[23:25] <valorie> think of how many users we have
[23:25] <valorie> vs. how many contributors
[23:25] <valorie> we'd like to help a lot of those users make the step to contribution
[23:25] <Tubu> So, maybe I did a lucky choise went I decide to go in linux and choose Ubuntu as trial this time (3 month ago)
[23:25] <valorie> cool
[23:27] <Tubu> I supose it s impossible to know (sttistically) how many users/contributors are women...
[23:27] <valorie> this is the official chan -- the one where we hang out socially is #ubuntu-women
[23:27] <valorie> well, we know the membership number - 5% of Ubuntu Members are women
[23:27] <valorie> I tipped us over 5%
[23:27] <valorie> :-)
[23:28] <Tubu> o wouaw! it's many!!!
[23:28] <valorie> as for users and contributors -- very difficult to know
[23:28] <valorie> I would say many when we get over 40%
[23:28] <Tubu> I mean I would guess something like 0,5%...
[23:28] <valorie> that would be truly awful
[23:28] <valorie> but yes, it sometimes feels that way
[23:28] <Tubu> so, for me is more then I thought... : o)
[23:29] <valorie> many women, esp. on IRC, don't use female nicks
[23:29] <Tubu> cool... it gives me a feeling of something growing...
[23:29] <valorie> because they get tired of being hassled
[23:29] <Tubu> ye...that's also typ...ical
[23:29] <valorie> the Ubuntu namespace is pretty cool, because of the Code of Conduct
[23:30] <Tubu> as in many (all) kind of group...
[23:32] <Tubu> it give a strange feeling: the fact that man use without problem their real name and thuis are also more directly "recognised" and that women are staying in shadow... even if there are doing great work...
[23:32] <valorie> not all groups have a CoC, and some are actively opposed to having one
[23:33] <valorie> well, I use my own name
[23:33] <Tubu> I have to read it again (more deeply) then
[23:33] <Tubu> I don't... : o)
[23:33] <valorie> I can't be troubled to be two different personas
[23:33] <valorie> and when unknown people PM me, I simply close the window, or ask that we keep it in chan
[23:34] <Tubu> In fact I also use a nickname in "real wold"... I mean a "artist name, a non-gendered name...
[23:34] <valorie> if they do weird crap, I report it
[23:34] <hypatia> i usually ask /in the channel/ that they keep it in the channel
[23:34] <hypatia> so that other folks know what's going on
[23:34] <valorie> so far, so good.....
[23:34] <valorie> that's a good idea
[23:34] <valorie> if i know which chan I share with them
[23:34] <Tubu> good... I will do same if that happen to me
[23:34] <hypatia> i've found it quite effective, valorie
[23:34] <hypatia> and it also helps if they are pm'ing other people too
[23:34] <valorie> right
[23:36] <AlanBell> valorie: if you do "/whois nastynick" it should show you the channels you share
[23:37] <valorie> cool, I'll try to remember that
[23:38] <valorie> usually they aren't nasty, just annoying
[23:38] <AlanBell> true enough
[23:39] <AlanBell> I get a lot of people who ask a question in quiet technical channels, wait 10 minutes then start PMing people in the channel with the same question, starting alphabetically
[23:40] <IdleOne> /msg AlanBell non-technical question being asked. expect funny retort.
[23:40] <AlanBell> funny retorts only in #chemistry
[23:42] <IdleOne> every now and then I get an email about a project needing some sort of translation help. So I go ahead and click the link and then LP inevitably dies a fiery death when I click save :/
[23:43] <IdleOne> makes me not want to help
[23:43] <Tubu> about tech question... : o)... I don't understand what is the "Blueprint stuff"... I subscribe to the mailinglist to see about what it goes but didn't understood more... Could some one explain me?
[23:44] <Tubu> ... or give a link of some explanations for dummies?
[23:45] <valorie> hmmm
[23:45] <Tubu> (I'm now on the log of previous IRC-meetings and feel like a fish in the desert... : o/
[23:45] <valorie> they are sort of hieroglyphical
[23:46] <valorie> I mean, you know what a blueprint is in real life, right?
[23:46] <Tubu> heu... no...
[23:46] <valorie> plans for a structure of some sort
[23:46] <valorie> so what blueprints are in Ubuntuland, is lists of goals and such
[23:47] <valorie> mostly pegged to various releases
[23:47] <Tubu> ow ok...
[23:47] <valorie> which at this point are letters of the alphabet
[23:47] <valorie> M for Maverick, N for Natty, O for Oneiric, etc.
[23:48] <valorie> and at the UDS for that cycle, say Ubuntu Developer Summit - O
[23:48] <valorie> the blueprint will be discussed at a meeting, and changed/fixed etc
[23:49] <Tubu> ow... okok... I begin to understand, thanks.
[23:49] <IdleOne> Tubu: a blueprint is un plan d'architecte en francais
[23:49] <valorie> one can even hook it to the status page if necessary, I guess
[23:49] <valorie> we don't
[23:49] <valorie> status.ubuntu.com as i recall
[23:50] <Tubu> thanks, IdleOne... I was just on the wikipedia page of "Schéma directeur (urbanisme)"... : o)
[23:51] <IdleOne> alors dans la communaute d'Ubuntu ce sont les objectifes de l'equipe pour la prochaine version.
[23:51] <valorie> anyway, we use them as a tool to focus us on a few goals
[23:52] <IdleOne> ^
[23:52] <Tubu> ^^!
[23:53] <AlanBell> !fr
[23:53] <ubot4> Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[23:54]  * AlanBell is happy with français, just wanted to point out the other channels
[23:54] <pleia2> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[23:57] <Tubu> ye I know that link... It's the page where I subscribe to see how I could contribute, thanks... :o)
[23:57] <Tubu> so there is a robot that recognise french and send a message?
[23:58] <Tubu> will it kick me out after 3 time I use french?
[23:59] <valorie> the bot responds to !commands
[23:59] <valorie> like !fr
[23:59] <valorie> !ru
[23:59] <ubot4> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[23:59] <valorie> etc.


[00:00] <bjsnider> binarymutant, you mean 9.8?
[00:00] <binarymutant> bjsnider, yes
[00:01] <bjsnider> yep, only 2.6.29
[00:01] <binarymutant> ah :.(
[00:01] <alteregoa> i had to use driveparm with those mfm drive, cause the bios didnt supported it
[00:01] <binarymutant> bjsnider, thanks for the info though
[00:01] <bjsnider> reference: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzQ2Mw
[00:02] <DanaG> hmm, fglrx 9.8 hard-locks on suspend, for me.
[00:12] <bjsnider> DanaG, how can you be using it?
[00:13] <DanaG> Just had to alter the call to find_task_by_vpid.
[00:13] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~dinxter/+archive/ppa
[00:15] <binarymutant> well now I'm confused
[00:16] <bjsnider> is that a beta or something?
[00:17] <DanaG> wait...
[00:17] <DanaG> the PPA has 9.7.
[00:18] <DanaG> 9.8 fixes compilation on 2.6.29 and 2.6.30, but not 2.6.31.
[00:18] <DanaG> That takes a separate patch.
[00:18] <bjsnider> which patch?
[00:20] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F394985&ei=KdqNSvXFK4jasQPSjfGECw&usg=AFQjCNF8Q3qIX84RSJUhN8ATtBZxcuWjZQ&sig2=ZqKK124Xl16hdJsITs0uOA
[00:20] <tux> anyone have an MSI wind or Medion akoya?
[00:20] <DanaG> the find_task_by_vpid thingy.
[00:20] <bjsnider> awesome url
[00:20] <DanaG> http://lists.mandriva.com/kernel-discuss/2009-07/msg00015.php
[00:20] <DanaG> Thaaanks, google!
[00:21] <DanaG> oh yeah, I wish Ubuntu would export that symbol.
[00:24] <tux> my sound is borked
[00:24] <bjsnider> maybe the irq problem is in the bios
[00:25] <bjsnider> maybe if i change "plug and play aware OS" to "Yes", it will assign one IRQ to each device
[00:53] <alteregoa> i still ask myself why soundcard doesnt have a FIFO buffer
[01:10] <roscoe> do you know if there are any plans to build drivers for older nVidia cards for kernel.31? Is this even the right place to ask?
[01:10] <xim_> ive lost all my sound in karmic, anyone know whats up with that?
[01:11] <xim_> the only application that gets audio out my speakers is interestingly the npviewer flash player, but its garbled beyond recognition
[01:13] <xim_> as in npviewer.bin the firefox thing
[01:23] <DanaG> unable to mount EXT3_External.
[01:23] <DanaG> Not authorized.
[01:24] <DanaG> I get that on connecting my external hard drive.
[01:29] <DanaG> grr, firefox asks me for my master password three times at once.
[01:30] <DanaG> http://lists.mandriva.com/kernel-discuss/2009-07/msg00018.php
[01:50] <BluesKaj> DanaG, which FF version ?
[01:50] <DanaG> 3.5.2, I think it is.
[01:51] <DanaG> I do have extensions that prompt for master password... but it's silly that it allows the same prompt, multiple times, simultaneously.
[01:51] <BluesKaj> ok, i don't use that extension
[01:52] <DanaG> that's not "that extension".
[01:53] <DanaG> Master password is a Firefox feature.
[01:53] <DanaG> any extension that stores a password from some service, can encrypt the password with the Master Password.
[01:55] <BluesKaj> yes , I'm aware , but I'm usually too lazy to use those features :)
[01:55] <BluesKaj> I'm using chromium atm , since FF stsrted to become slow
[01:57] <BluesKaj> TV time with wifey ...BBL
[01:57] <DanaG> grr, Deluge always forgets the queue order on downloads.
[01:57] <DanaG> "always" meaning "each time it starts".
[01:57] <komputes> Just wondering, everyone here using Karmic, do you feel that using UUID's as the mount point is an intended behaviour?
[01:58] <DanaG> hmm, it only does that for non-labeled volumes.
[01:58] <komputes> yes
[01:58] <DanaG> It used to be just disk, disk-1, disk-2, and such.
[01:59] <komputes> as most disks go unlabeled, do you feel this is correct behavior, a UUID can have many charachters in it (somerimes too many to remember if you don't have autocomplete)
[01:59] <komputes> disk, disk-1, disk-2 is the intended behavior if you ask me
[01:59] <DanaG> should be by size instead?
[02:00] <DanaG> /media/disk-30G
[02:00] <DanaG> and such.
[02:02] <komputes> then you could potentially have two with the same size
[02:03] <DanaG> Then they could do the 30G-1 thing.
[02:03] <DanaG> Or... just label the disks.  =þ
[02:08] <giovani> why is using UUIDs when labels don't exist non-desired behavior? that makes no sense
[02:12] <BluesKaj> non-desired , there's another new word , it used to be undesired  ...picky picky :)
[02:13] <DanaG> grr, how do you get a backtrace when Nautilus crashes?
[02:13] <DanaG> It detaches from the controlling terminal... grr!
[02:13] <DanaG> oh, gdb.
[02:14] <DanaG> Program exited normally.
[02:14] <DanaG> Apparently Nautilus is not actually /usr/bin/nautilus.
[02:15] <BluesKaj> DanaG, dmesg | tail doesn't work ?
[02:15] <DanaG> for what... Nautilus?  no, it's not segfaulting.
[02:18] <DanaG>     func=0x54f6a0 "nautilus_window_report_load_underway",
[02:18] <DanaG>     message=0x6662bf0 "assertion failed: (slot != NULL)")
[02:51] <LLStarks> can i get an opinion on this synaptic enhancement? https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/416267
[02:51] <LLStarks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/416267
[02:51] <LLStarks> grr
[02:51] <LLStarks> the bot isn't working
[02:53] <fuzzybunny> hey everyone for some reason I cannot connect to my brothers machine unless he pings me or I do a arp -s. As far as I know I do not have any firewalls or anything enabled and I ran one of these networking scripts I found on the internet and it said I had 2 default routes but I am not really sure what could be causing the problem. Are there any networking experts that could help shed some light on whats happening?
[03:17] <roscoe> Does anyone know if drivers for older nvidia cards are going to be updated to the .31 kernel
[03:20] <DanaG> You'd have to ask nvidia that one.
[03:20] <roscoe> ok thanks
[03:23] <HazRPG> hi guys, I'm having troubles with 9.10 - my sound isn't working
[03:25] <HazRPG> lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:39] <DanaG> argh, if I rotate or flip a pic in image viewer, and then quit, it doesn't save changes... yet, if I do the same thing but go to next pic instead, it DOES save changes.  Without asking permission!
[04:10] <DanaG> Hah, Gnome seems to think 1280x768 is 16:10.  It's not.  1280x800 is.
[04:21] <amason_> DanaG: just out of curiosity do you file bug reports for these issues you find or do you just tell people in the irc channel ?
[04:21] <DanaG> hmm, usually it depends on how much it bothers me.
[04:23] <amason_> fair enough
[04:47] <akio> I have a question about the differences between lpia and UNR
[04:48] <akio> Anyone tried both on an atom?
[05:51] <sparr> new firefox behavior in 9.10, dragging a tab down into the body of the page and releasing results in the tab being promoted to a new window.  how do I turn that off?
[05:54] <simba_> akio, I've only tried UNR on atom....was so sattisfied that i havent tried anything else
[05:55] <x1250> sparr, no idea, but about:config would be a good place to start looking.
[05:56] <sparr> tried
[05:56] <sparr> every option with "tab" in the name, nada
[05:59] <xim_> my xorg just crashed
[05:59] <xim_> anyone know how long daily build has been making isos with this glitch they are aware of being too big to fit on a cd?
[05:59] <dotblank> hmm does k3b error on update?
[06:01] <xim_> im gonna have to reinstall to fix all the decay
[06:01] <binarymutant> dotblank, error on what?
[06:02] <binarymutant> dotblank, starts here
[06:03] <dotblank> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.3.0-0ubuntu12_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/kcmsolidactions/solid-action-template.desktop', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-data
[06:04] <dotblank> says k3b depends on that so it wont install k3b
[06:06] <binarymutant> no clue sorry :/  I don't even have that file it's trying to overwrite
[06:06] <binarymutant> remove it, then upgrade it :)
[06:08] <xim_> what does it mean when a software keeps realeasing version but they are always less than 1....ie <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:08] <xim_> ooops meant for offtopic
[06:08] <hifi> the software is not considered stable
[06:09] <hifi> FYI
[06:09] <binarymutant> depends on the versioning scheme, but more than likely beta
[06:09] <xim_> k makes sense thanks
[06:10] <DanaG> grrrr! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/209520
[06:12] <DanaG> grr, it's not fixed!
[06:12] <DanaG> I'm trying to connect to localhost... and it's refusing authentication.
[06:30] <DanaG> grr, stupid Deluge.  Forgets the order I've prioritized the torrents in.
[06:38] <DanaG> ugh, flat volumes.  I move an app from usb sound card to onboard, and it goes down to 5% volume.
[06:38] <DanaG> Then I move it back.... and it stays at 5%.
[06:38] <DanaG> But 5% of what?
[06:38] <DanaG> With flat volumes.... I really don't know anymore.
[06:38]  * DanaG disables flat volumes.
[06:53] <mac_v> DanaG: how to properly disable flatvolumes?
[07:10] <Amaranth> hmm, are we using upstart for real now?
[07:11] <Amaranth> haven't upgraded my system in a long time and it wants to remove upstart-compat-sysv
[07:16] <Amaranth> oh, I see, they just undid the package split from before
[07:30] <mac_v> Amaranth: regarding Bug #91786 , do you have the upstream bug for that?
[07:30] <Amaranth> mac_v: it was an IRC discussion
[07:30] <mac_v> oh...
[07:31] <Amaranth> most things involving compiz are
[07:31] <Amaranth> at least if you want someone to actually pay attention
[07:31] <mac_v> ;)
[07:35] <Amaranth> mac_v: http://bugs.opencompositing.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900 seems to be the best bug to point to
[07:35] <Amaranth> mac_v: but of course no discussion
[07:36] <Amaranth> mac_v: metacity basically does the hack I described as you can see in the linked diff
[07:37] <mac_v> Amaranth: oh... is there any way at all to fix this properly?
[07:37] <Amaranth> mac_v: not without breaking a bunch of other stuff
[07:37] <Amaranth> mac_v: The hack is really the only way
[07:37] <mac_v> aw!
[07:37] <Amaranth> It's only a hack because the compiz plugin system doesn't let you do such things normally
[07:38] <mac_v> Amaranth: could compiz-Ubuntu only have the hack? without upstream or is it too much work?
[07:39] <Amaranth> mac_v: I suspect it'll be a simple patch to carry in Ubuntu if upstream cannot be convinced and it looks like compiz++ will allow the same technique to be used, basically
[07:39] <Amaranth> mac_v: I don't suspect the decoration plugin will ever get too many changes upstream so not a lot of churn to keep updated with
[07:40] <Amaranth> mac_v: why do you think I'm getting my karmic install up-to-date? :)
[07:40] <Amaranth> kind of sad after so much effort was put into dropping ubuntu patches from compiz though
[07:41] <mac_v> Amaranth: thats nice ;) could you link a branch with the hack? so that it could be decided?
[07:41] <mac_v> oops not nice about the drop ;P
[07:41] <Amaranth> mac_v: I don't even have any code started
[07:41] <Amaranth> mac_v: I have 1500 packages installed and about 750 need updated, this is going to take some time :P
[07:41] <mac_v> Amaranth: surely not immediately , but in due course
[07:42] <mac_v> before Karmic :)
[07:42] <Amaranth> when is feature freeze? is this a feature? ;)
[07:42] <mac_v> !schedule
[07:42] <Amaranth> mac_v: dang, was hoping for the lazy answer
[07:43] <mac_v> Amaranth: i didnt know too , had to check ;p
[07:43] <Amaranth> ok, I have until the 10th
[07:43] <mac_v> Amaranth: i dont think this has anything to do with feature freeze
[07:43] <Amaranth> 10th is user interface freeze
[07:43] <mac_v> oh , ok
[07:43] <mac_v> yeah
[07:44] <Amaranth> hmm, now to decide to keep my currently 32 hour stretch going and work on this or sleep and do it in the morning :P
[07:45] <mac_v> ;) 32 hrs ! o.0
[07:45] <Amaranth> well I did have an hour nap in there somewhere
[07:46] <mac_v> then 32! doesnt count :p
[07:46] <mac_v> oh well ... thanx for looking into this :)
[07:58] <mac_v> Amaranth: shall i assign the bug to you as a reminder for later ?
[07:58] <Amaranth> mac_v: sure
[07:58] <mac_v> :)
[08:04] <ubuntor1470> hi
[08:05] <ubuntor1470> have any one
[08:05] <ubuntor1470> ?
[08:09] <mac_v> !anyone | ubuntor1470
[08:10] <ubuntor1470> sorry
[08:10] <ubuntor1470> for my english
[08:45] <bazookatooth> Herro everyone I ruv karmic kaorara
[11:05] <Tumie> What will Alpha 5 bring new, what Alpha 4 doesn't has?
[11:06] <TheInfinity> Tumie: less bugs? :D
[11:06] <Tumie> TheInfinity: i tested Alpha 4 for a couple of minutes, so didn't got any bugs,, just wanted to know what was new :p
[11:07] <Tumie> i'm blogging about it (in dutch), and i also want to make a post about Alpha 5 :p
[11:07] <scizzo-> Tumie: you do know what bugs are right?
[11:08] <Tumie> scizzo: i know what bugs are,, :p
[11:08] <Tumie> but i want features xD
[11:08] <scizzo-> Tumie: so saying "didn't get any bugs" is kind of...well its actually something weird to say
[11:08] <Tumie> 'didn't find any bugs',, is that better?
[11:09] <Tumie> i'm not very good @ english :p
[11:09] <scizzo-> Tumie: there will always be bugs
[11:09] <scizzo-> Tumie: its rather unavoidable
[11:09] <Tumie> but,, does alpha 5 get new features (wich alpha 4 didn't had) ?
[11:11] <kholerabbi> Anyone know where I can find specs on xsplash theming?
[11:12] <scizzo-> I can't pin point anything that would change from alpha 4 to alpha 5 more then bug fixes.....but I am not a developer or part of ubuntu team so they would probably have more insight.....
[11:12] <kholerabbi> ah. nm.
[11:39] <The_Warlock> how am i to use a window manager in karmic? I have not option to select it while bootup
[11:42] <scizzo-> The_Warlock: sessions should be available in gdm
[11:44] <The_Warlock> scizzo-: how do change those settings?
[11:44] <scizzo-> The_Warlock: change what settings?
[11:45] <The_Warlock> the sessions...i dont see sessioms currently
[11:45] <scizzo-> The_Warlock: what is it exactly you want to do
[11:45] <The_Warlock> sessions
[11:46] <The_Warlock> i installed awesome window manager...when i restart X i dont see it any where to choose the window manager from
[11:46] <jonathonf> right at the bottom of the screen
[11:46] <scizzo-> The_Warlock: its in the login screen
[11:46] <scizzo-> The_Warlock: if it is installed correctly....
[11:46] <The_Warlock> scizzo-: ok checking.....
[11:57] <The_Warlock> it works thanks.the only thing that doesnt work is the .Xdefaults
[11:57] <The_Warlock> scizzo-: tnx
[13:07] <BluesKaj> hiyas folks
[13:11]  * BluesKaj wonders where the printer settings are in jaunty and karmic
[13:12] <x1250> crap, I'm pissed off. I've had two power outages, and got 0 bytes from my kdenlive project, twice. EXT4, o bytes files, AGAIN. Bug #317781
[13:16] <SwedeMike> isnt this a known behaviour of ext4/xfs ?
[13:17] <x1250> it was in jaunty, but: status:  	 Fix Committed → Fix Released
[13:21] <sarmisak> hi all
[13:22] <shadeslayer> hello fellow testers :)
[13:22]  * shadeslayer notices the 170 MB in upgrades
[13:29] <BluesKaj> looking for printer settings ..where did the devs hide them
[13:29] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: theyre pretty good at these things :P
[13:29] <BluesKaj> or is it a hidden kernel module now as well
[13:31] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: System->Admin->Printing should have a settings menu. It does here atleast
[13:31] <BluesKaj> leave it to us, "we'll take care of it for you" ..i don't care for that attitude, leaves no options
[13:32] <BluesKaj> kde , gnomefreak , not in system settings anymore
[13:32] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: i would say KDE guys hide it from menu maybe?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: have you checked in the system settings page?
[13:33] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: also alt+F2 > printers?
[13:33] <aboSamoor> I just updated openOffice, and tested it, it is extremely fast. I think I have a problem I should report a bug !
[13:33] <BluesKaj> nope
[13:34] <jonathonf> aboSamoor: 3.1.1rc? Do the menus show correctly?
[13:36] <aboSamoor> jonathonf, build 9417,  no problem with menus. It is really fast launching the writer is faster than gedit !!!
[13:36] <shadeslayer> btw,is it possible to package software using a svn checkout?
[13:39] <gnomefreak> shadeslayer: yes we do it all the time for alot of packages
[13:40] <jonathonf> aboSamoor: do you have any localisations installed for ooo? i have no graphical menus and it crashes when i go to tools, options
[13:41] <shadeslayer> gnomefreak: cool,im in kubuntu-devel... ;)
[13:41] <ikonia> shadeslayer: a checkout is just a source base - no different than a tarball
[13:44] <aboSamoor> jonathonf, these are the installed packages http://pastebin.com/f36db95a8, I tried the tools->options-> all the tabs and it did not crash
[13:44] <jonathonf> hmm
[13:44] <jonathonf> i may need to file a bug
[13:45] <aboSamoor> jonathonf, is ooo fast or it is as before ?
[13:46] <jonathonf> i haven't used it much since upgrading
[13:46] <jonathonf> but it definitely seems more rapid
[13:48] <tux_> how do i send a file with empathy
[13:48] <tux_> geez this messenger takes a while to get used to
[13:53] <jonathonf> hum, i installed openoffice.org-style-galaxy, then i had menus, then i could get into options and change the icons style to human. now no more crashes. weird.
[13:55] <tux_> anyone use empathy? can you send files, by option is greyed out for some reason
[14:13] <cyphermox> tux_: mine seems to work
[14:14] <jonathonf> i was going to say the same thing but he's gone
[14:14] <jonathonf> but then, i'm also running empathy from the PPA
[14:15] <IdleOne> jonathonf: empathy in jaunty has same issue
[14:15] <IdleOne> send file is grey
[14:17] <IdleOne> jonathonf: I am not sure if it is because my contact is not online causing the option to be greyd out or if it just doesnt work at the moment. if you would like to test with me you can add
[14:18] <jonathonf> you can try and send one to yourself ;)
[14:18] <IdleOne> didnt think of that
[14:19] <IdleOne> nope still no go
[14:20] <jonathonf> is the option there?
[14:20] <jonathonf> it won't let you actually send the file
[14:22] <IdleOne> the option is grey
[14:23] <IdleOne> wont let me select it at all
[14:24] <jonathonf> have you tried the version in the empathy PPA?
[14:24] <IdleOne> for jaunty? no
[14:25] <jonathonf> https://edge.launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa
[14:26] <cyphermox> i'm running the version in karmic and it's fine...
[14:35] <IdleOne> jonathonf: just installed 2.27.5 and all options are grey ( voice,video,send file...)
[14:37] <IdleOne> frustrating indeed.
[15:22] <sparr> anyone else seeing php as a child process of apache2 segfault randomly?
[15:23] <Milos_SD> hi to all
[15:24] <Milos_SD> Is it safe to do upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic today? Is every update you had today ok (no errors)? :)
[15:25] <sparr> Milos_SD: I am having two problems, one minor UI issue in firefox, one major crashing issue in apache2 and php
[15:25] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: thats not possible to answer since people do use all the same apps. as for safe no its not safe until final release
[15:26] <gnomefreak> sparr: did you file a bug on firefox issue?
[15:26] <sparr> gnomefreak: it's not a bug, so no.
[15:26] <sparr> it's a shitty feature
[15:26] <gnomefreak> sparr: what is the issue?
[15:26] <sparr> dragging a tab downwards at all results in the tab being promoted to a new window
[15:27] <Milos_SD> sparr, that is what happend in jaunty too :)
[15:27] <sparr> not for me
[15:27] <sparr> but anyway, minor issue
[15:27] <sparr> im probably going to have to manually downgrade apache, though
[15:28] <Milos_SD> btw, when I asked is all updates ok, I thought on system packages, not on apps.... like Xorg, GDM, gnome, python (it had a lot of issues in Jaunty), etc ..
[15:28] <jonathonf> sparr: there's an extension that works around that bug
[15:28] <sparr> Milos_SD: do you consider apache to be a system package or an app?
[15:28] <jonathonf> i'll find it again
[15:28] <sparr> jonathonf: i know, ive got it
[15:28] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: Xorg would depend on your hardware
[15:28] <jonathonf> ah ok
[15:29] <Milos_SD> sparr, well, it depends, not everyone has it (I have it, but don't use it)
[15:29] <gnomefreak> sparr: is this simular to what you are seeing? https://launchpad.net/bugs/413950
[15:29] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, I have Nvidia 7600gt
[15:29] <mac_v> sparr: its all related to the cursor positioning i believe
[15:30] <sparr> that is plausible
[15:30] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: nvidia 180 driver works for me but that doesnt mean anything. and right now nvidia-common is being held back so i would wait. dist-upgrade however you do it will upgrade it and it will cause breakage
[15:30] <mac_v> sparr: could you comment you problem on the bug too
[15:31] <mac_v> s/you/your
[15:31] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, I use 190.18, and I alweys install it manualy, from nvidia .run package (I have custom kernel), so I can purge nvidia-common and have no problems with it  (I think)
[15:31] <sparr> yes, and then I am done with it
[15:31] <sparr> like I said, minor issue
[15:32] <sparr> my web server crashing at random is slightly more significant to me
[15:32] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: some people are/were having issues with the 190 drivers but if you want to know open bugs just look on launchpad. using custom kernel may break upgrade
[15:33] <jonathonf> i have 9600gt and 190.18 and am having no problems at the moment
[15:34] <jonathonf> *from repo/ppa
[15:34] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, it will not break it, I had custom kernel when I upgraded to Jaunty alpha 5 too... I aksed this because I read on forums that there ware some problems with new GDM... are they resolved?
[15:37] <scizzo-> Milos_SD: I have had no problems with GDM
[15:38] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: "it wont break" is not safe to say since its not the same kernel (all depends on what changed) however if you want to upgrade to karmic go ahead but as for "safe" no its not unless you know how to fix broken things
[15:39] <roscoe> gnomefreak, I have an older Gforce 4 card on my laptop, do you think that when karmic is released I will be able to upgrade from jaunty?
[15:39] <gnomefreak> roscoe: what drivers?
[15:39] <gnomefreak> roscoe: there were issues with the 173 drivers in our repos
[15:39] <jonathonf> should be able to use the 173 series for Geforce 4s
[15:39] <roscoe> not sure I am fairly new at this
[15:40] <jonathonf> there's a prerelease which should support the newer kernels
[15:40] <gnomefreak> 173 was demoted and i had major issues as have alot of others
[15:40] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, I know it is not complitly safe, I did upgrades in alpha stage 2 times (with hardy and with jaunty), but what I was asking is that, is there any package right now that will not update (is there some partial update right now on karmic)? :)
[15:40] <jonathonf> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2037374
[15:40] <alankila> I see full updates myself.
[15:41] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: again cant answer that since not everyone uses the same packages. as for major ones it should be fine
[15:41] <gnomefreak> jonathonf: we havent updated to it yet
[15:42] <jonathonf> right
[15:42] <Milos_SD> gnomefreak, thanks, that is what I wanted to hear... I can fix some apps, but I can't fix it if it some major system package that will render my system unbootable :)
[15:42] <jonathonf> i saw someone on the forum had patched it and made it available in their own ppa
[15:43] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: if any major changes to your kernel or to upstream kernel it is possible that it will break but all depends on changes made.
[15:43] <gnomefreak> yay i am caught up for the week :)
[15:44] <Milos_SD> and one more question... if I do an upgrade, will grub be updated to grub2 too, or I have to do grub-install for that? :)
[15:45] <alankila> the grub2 install step was manual for me at least.
[15:45] <alankila> They have been talking about switching the default to grub2.
[15:46] <gnomefreak> Milos_SD: i dont think the final grub updating is in place yet
[15:47] <alankila> the update to grub2 itself occured during the package install time with some kind of transitionary stage where you have both grub1 and 2 in parallel somehow. I suspect what happens is that grub1 boots first, and is configured to load grub2, so you can check if it works and then replace grub1 entirely. However, I never looked at this too closely, finding the setup rather confusing.
[15:47] <Milos_SD> thanks for answers... I will think a little more if I'm gonna upgrade now, or on september 4th
[15:48] <Milos_SD> the only reason I want to upgrade is for pulseaudio 0.9.16 (there is no rtkit in Jaunty), and for Pidgin 2.6.1 audio/video support :)
[15:49] <jonathonf> Milos_SD: there's no 2.6.1 in karmic yet
[15:51] <Milos_SD> jonathonf, I know, but I can compile it... karmic has version of packages that pidgin needs for audio/video support... If I compile that packages on Jaunty, I can't use totem anymore :)
[15:51] <dodecanese> hi
[15:51] <Milos_SD> Karmic have*
[15:51] <dodecanese> is it possible to use ext4 with my ext3 drive?
[15:51] <jonathonf> ah ok
[15:51] <jonathonf> dodecanese: yes, just change ext3 to ext4 in /etc/fstab
[15:52] <dodecanese> ah
[15:52] <dodecanese> and should i do a fsck?
[15:53] <dodecanese> i still got some problems with the gorgs
[15:53] <alankila> wasn't it necessary to set some flags and then actually upgrade the filesystem?
[15:54] <alankila> I mean, it won't be true ext4 unless you enable ext4 features
[15:54] <jonathonf> mounting ext3 as ext4 will gain some features but without changing the filesystem, if you want to full range that you'll have to do the upgrade thingy
[15:54] <alankila> even ext2->3 needed construction of a journal file or something, I dimly recall.
[15:55] <alankila> For the record, I was one of the early people who tried to convert an ext3 to ext4 only to be bitten by N² algorithms in fsck which meant it would have taken days, possibly weeks, to finish that upgrade
[15:55] <dodecanese> upgrade thingy?
[15:55] <dodecanese> weeks?!
[15:55] <jonathonf> lol, not the best description
[15:56] <alankila> yes, it was a 250 GB drive and after a day it had not made much progress... Some people reported that conversions of 30 GB devices had taken hours for them, and this was not a linear relationship but a quadratic one. It's of course hard to estimate correctly, but I imagine 1-2 weeks might have been it
[15:56] <dodecanese> its 4TB
[15:56] <dodecanese> so i expect it takes at least 1 year
[15:57] <dodecanese> what kind of crackheads develope such slow algorythms for converting fs?
[15:57] <alankila> It was just a honest mistake... They tested with too small filesystems, I guess, so they didn't notice that.
[15:58] <dodecanese> so its faster to copy the entire content to another drive and move it back
[15:59] <alankila> oh yes, way faster. Not to mention it will be a proper ext4 filesystem with stuff placed as the filesystem prefers it rather than some kind of conversion where you have ext3 data layouts for old files, as I understand that the upgrade mostly concerns fixing the metadata
[16:00] <dodecanese> whatever, its better for some coders: smoke less weed
[16:01] <dodecanese> so its better to change to xfs?
[16:01] <alankila> no.
[16:02] <alankila> I mean, I've tried xfs. But its metadata performance is awful, especially deletes take forever.
[16:02] <dodecanese> and btfrs?
[16:03] <dodecanese> they should compress the metadata using lzma, to increase the performance
[16:03] <alankila> I have written a flash filesystem with btrfs but only played with that for a few minutes before wiping it -- I meant to try root fs on btrfs but then I noticed that grub2 can't read that fs yet
[16:03] <dodecanese> less metadata i/o
[16:03] <bjsnider> right now btrfs has no performance improvements over ext4 or xfs
[16:04] <alankila> I can't tell if btrfs would be any faster than ext4. I imagine that system's selling point is the advanced features, not performance.
[16:04] <dodecanese> someday travelling matt comes and tell me whats good
[16:04] <dodecanese> i hope microsoft put ntfs under gpl, that would be great
[16:05] <dodecanese> this FS Zoo is anoying
[16:07] <alankila> quite right. There are too many file systems, most which are worse in every respect to some other file system.
[16:07] <natewiebe13> alankila: too many in general?
[16:07] <alankila> too many supported by the linux kernel.
[16:08] <natewiebe13> okay.. i only use ext4 and fat32 (fat for usb devices)
[16:08] <alankila> well, at least they are modules. I suppose I don't pay for them so I don't mind, but it's a principled objection, not practical one.
[16:09] <dodecanese> fat, the worst FS
[16:09] <natewiebe13> dodecanese: i meant fat32, ive never used fat
[16:10] <alankila> So linux has 9p, adfs, affs, fs, autofs, autofsn, befs, bfs, btrfs, cifs, coda, configfs, cramfs, dlm, efs, exofs, exportfs, fat, freevxfs, gfs2, hfs, fs+, hpfs, isofs, jffs2, jfs, minix, ncpfs, nfs, nilfs2, , ntfs, ocfs2, omfs, qnx4, reiserfs, romfs, smbfs, squashfs, ubifs, udf, ufs, xfs ... Maybe some of these aren't actual filesystems
[16:10] <alankila> but somehow the feeling is that a few of these could be remoed. That fs was supposed to be afs.
[16:10] <bjsnider> also tuxfs or whatever it's called was just merged
[16:11] <alankila> It's ridiculous that something morbidly obsolete like affs still exists in linux kernel.
[16:11] <idleone_> .
[16:12] <natewiebe13> isnt the idea of linux to be compatible with as much as possible?
[16:12] <natewiebe13> as long as it isnt making it ridiculously slow (which it isnt) i dont see a problem
[16:12] <natewiebe13> its just messy in the code
[16:12] <gnomefreak> that is the idea of it
[16:12] <alankila> There's a limit to how much stuff like that you really want to support. The fs kernel modules weigh 10 MB, which is not an irrelevant amount.
[16:13] <natewiebe13> well now with the majority of never computers getting 500GB to 1TB i dont see a major issue
[16:13] <alankila> considering that the whole kernel is something like 118 MB maybe it isn't that much, but a bit of culling could bring down all sorts of costs associated with storage, install time, bandwidth.
[16:13] <natewiebe13> *newer
[16:13] <natewiebe13> better than what other os's have to offer in terms of size
[16:14] <alankila> and today you could easily move all sorts of non-bootable filesystems into FUSE only. Like amiga fast file system, a good example of useless fs if any.
[16:14] <natewiebe13> vista ultimate (12GB) on fresh install, thats just a joke
[16:14] <bjsnider> vista asks for 14gb
[16:14] <natewiebe13> my ultimate does 12gb on fresh install
[16:14] <bjsnider> of all the things wrong with linux, this is a minor issue
[16:14] <alankila> let's ignore vista and just concentrate to make linux better. It's harmful to lug all this dead code around. It takes time to maintain, space and time to install and move across systems, and is no use to anyone.
[16:15] <natewiebe13> bjsnider: exactly my point
[16:15] <bjsnider> i'd say the awful state of the graphics system is the top problem at this point
[16:15] <IdleOne> caqn we pick a sound server?
[16:15] <IdleOne> can*
[16:15] <bjsnider> i think we have picked one
[16:15] <bjsnider> it's called pulseaudio
[16:16] <natewiebe13> i like how it is atm (alsa with pulseaudio frontend) everything works great for me
[16:16] <alankila> and if you say linux is so small, then how come my linux installs are at least 3 GB, then? I'm saying that linux is pretty bloated as well, although not quite as bloated^Wfilled with useful features as Vista.
[16:16] <alankila> But it's an useless discussion. I regret saying it already.
[16:16] <bjsnider> at least vista's graphics system works
[16:17] <natewiebe13> installed 9.04 the other day and it was 1.7 gb
[16:17] <bjsnider> at leaswt you can run the whole composited desktop off the graphics card if you've got a decent one
[16:17] <alankila> yeah I do have eclipse and java and some development junk installed
[16:17] <natewiebe13> bjsnider: what do you mean exactly about graphics system
[16:17] <natewiebe13> ?
[16:17] <alankila> that bloats it up in a hurry.
[16:17] <bjsnider> natewiebe13, now you've done it
[16:17] <natewiebe13> do you mean drivers, or frontend?
[16:18] <bjsnider> i don't have the space to list all of the complaints
[16:18] <natewiebe13> i have no complaints
[16:18] <bjsnider> no, compiz is fine
[16:18] <alankila> and arguably, a fresh Linux install is way more useful than fresh Vista install. It has many more applications... say, this does raise the question, what on Earth is microsoft shipping with Vista to make it so large?
[16:18] <natewiebe13> except the flashing between usplash/gdm/session
[16:18] <bjsnider> i'm talking about the problems for example with the many useless ATI drivers for instance
[16:18] <natewiebe13> i dont use ati
[16:18] <natewiebe13> nvidia [thumbs up]
[16:19] <bjsnider> which driver would you use if you did?
[16:19] <dodecanese> i do not compare vista with linux, thats comparing bikes vs cars
[16:19] <bjsnider> it is difficult to keep track of their manydrivers
[16:19] <natewiebe13> radeon
[16:19] <bjsnider> ok, whatever
[16:19] <natewiebe13> dodecanese: i use windows for games from steam (tf2,hl2,portal, etc) thats it
[16:20] <natewiebe13> everything else is ubuntu 9.10 or 9.04
[16:20] <bjsnider> nvidia's blob has problems too. it can't be included with the kernel, and it replaces mesa with something undocumented
[16:20] <gnomefreak> can we please take the offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic. this channel is support for Karmic only
[16:20] <natewiebe13> haha.. alright..
[17:10] <AnAnt> as-salamu alaykom
[19:17] <slimg> I'm having trouble disconnecting from a karmic server when connected with ssh, when hitting enter after "exit", the terminal-output just stops, and then I have to close the terminalwindow on the client
[19:19] <slimg> A seemingly similar thing also happens when i disconnect from a screen session on the same karmic server, the screen session disappears, and I can see the terminal again, but I'm not able to run anything, and the prompt is gone
[19:23] <cyphermox> slimg, any change you're starting some kind of daemon or background process before you end the session?
[19:25] <slimg> cyphermox: the only daemon I've installed is transmission-daemon, and that daemon has it's own user
[19:26] <slimg> additionally, scp will also "hang" after a successful transfer to/from the karmic server
[19:28] <cyphermox> ok
[19:29] <cyphermox> i've seen this too, but I don't know what causes it. I always thought the *scp* stuff at least was an issue with the connection to the remote server
[19:29] <cyphermox> as for the exit stuff, it only happens to be with openfire.
[19:37] <slimg> Here is the output from the karmic server (ssh -vv) when performing a "logout", it stops at "debug2: channel 0: output drain -> closed" -> http://pastebin.com/d23812865
[19:38] <slimg> Here is the output from a jaunty server (ssh -vv) when performing a "logout", it successfully logs out -> http://pastebin.com/d7e9b50a1
[19:39] <slimg> Anyone able to understand something from the ssh debug output above? (just 5 and 22 lines)
[20:00] <DanaG> Unable to setup corepath for smbd: No such file or directory
[20:08] <DanaG> smbd_open_once_socket: open_socket_in: Address already in use
[20:09] <DanaG> load_usershare_shares: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares failed. No such file or directory
[20:10] <DanaG> well, whaddaya' know... it doesn't exist!
[20:14] <DanaG> 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error No such file or directory
[20:14] <DanaG> Please ask your system administrator to enable user sharing.
[20:15] <DanaG> uh... I AM my system administrator.
[20:29] <bjsnider> DanaG, sharing is always root's responsibility
[20:30] <bjsnider> perhaps that should be changed
[20:30] <DanaG> My Jaunty system has /var/lib/samba/usershares.... but Karmic does not.
[20:30] <DanaG> And for some reason, the sama server keeps aborting.
[20:30] <DanaG> Yielding connection to
[20:30] <DanaG> Server exit (multiple negprot's are not permitted)
[20:30] <bjsnider> yes but setting up shares requires root
[20:31] <DanaG> Hmm, then why do we have right-click "sharing options"?
[20:31] <bjsnider> good question
[20:32] <DanaG> check_ntlm_password:  Authentication for user [dana] -> [dana] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD
[20:32] <DanaG> Nautilus isn't even asking for a password.
[20:33] <bjsnider> try running it through gksu nautilus
[20:33] <sdest> is there a way to keep empathy from asking for the keyring password everytime it starts?
[20:34] <IdleOne> sdest: allow always
[20:35] <IdleOne> first time it asked me thats what i did
[20:35] <sdest> is that on the dialog box that pops up?
[20:36] <DanaG> how do you undo "always allow" in gnome-keyring?
[20:40] <sdest> i tried looking for it but it just says okay, or deny
[20:40] <guntbert> what happened to the "guest user"?
[20:41] <DanaG> the old gnome-keyring-manager was better about that.
[20:42] <DanaG> there seems to be no way to reverse the "always allow"
[20:42] <DanaG> oh, it's under Properties of each KEY.
[20:45] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/206439
[20:47] <bjsnider> that looks like a very old bug, based on the number
[20:49] <bjsnider> it's nice to have the network browser fixed in jaunty though
[20:50] <DanaG> It's still broken for me.
[20:50] <bjsnider> nah
[20:51] <DanaG> When I try to browse my sama shares... the server itself aborts!
[20:51] <bjsnider> when you hit places>network, do the computers get shown immediately, or is there an error msg?
[20:52] <guntbert> ahh I meant guest session, although the package gdm-guestsession is installed the option "guest session" doesn't appear in the user menu (daily)
[20:52] <bjsnider> because for a long time, before jaunty, there was just an error
[20:53] <DanaG> oh, and shares-admin is completely empty.
[20:54] <dotblank> I love these daily updates
[20:54] <dotblank> they ware aweosme
[20:54] <DanaG> auth_callback - anonymous pass
[20:54] <DanaG> hmm, it's not asking me for a password.
[20:58] <dodecanese> i got a vera sans error
[21:01] <DanaG> tdb(unnamed): tdb_open_ex: could not open file /var/run/samba/unexpected.tdb: No such file or directory
[21:04] <DanaG> odd... so it seems that just plain installing samba doesn't configure it the same way as it does if you use nautilus-share.
[21:06] <DanaG> Apparently my samba was just broken, somehow.
[21:10] <dodecanese> what is bitstream vera sans?
[21:11] <Tekno> microshit font
[21:14] <dodecanese> microshit?
[21:15] <crdlb> dodecanese: it is a free font that is the basis for DejaVu Sans (which is ubuntu's default font)
[21:15] <dodecanese> never heard of this font drawer
[21:15] <dodecanese> i like to use spaghetti fonts
[21:17] <dodecanese> google merde was calling for the font
[21:21] <DanaG> ohkay, I sort of fixed my samba... but now it's getting "access denied" on a directory it really should be able to read.
[21:21] <leaf-sheep> I'm curious about GRUB2 -- Will that be upgradeable once Karmic is released or I'll have to reinstall it?
[21:22] <DanaG> !apparmor
[21:22] <danbhfive> leaf-sheep: I believe the answer is yes
[21:22] <leaf-sheep> danbhfive: Full system encryption too?
[21:23] <danbhfive> leaf-sheep: I don't know about encryption, sorry
[21:24] <leaf-sheep> danbhfive: Ahh, darn. Thanks. :>
[21:26] <DanaG>   '/home/dana/Pictures' does not exist or permission denied when connecting to [Pictures] Error was Permission denied
[21:28] <bjsnider> is that samba?
[21:28] <DanaG> yeah.
[21:28] <DanaG>   '/media/Vista/Users/Dana/Music' does not exist or permission denied when connecting to [Music] Error was Permission denied
[21:29] <DanaG> Is samba running as "nobody", or something?
[21:29] <bjsnider> vista? vista??
[21:29] <DanaG> I plan to replace that partition with win7 this weekend.
[21:29] <bjsnider> win7? win7??
[21:29] <DanaG> I spend 90% of my time in Ubuntu, but for that other 10%, winVista and win7 are far nicer than XP.
[21:29] <DanaG> what, are you trolling now?  =þ
[21:29] <bjsnider> do you game on windows?
[21:30] <DanaG> Yeah.
[21:30] <bjsnider> what else would anyone need windows for
[21:30] <DanaG> Not much, nowadays.
[21:30] <danbhfive> leaf-sheep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[21:31] <ding> http://www.supergamer.org/
[21:33] <bjsnider> yeah, but it won't play all games
[21:34] <mac_v> could some suggest a good software to do record screen activity?
[21:34] <DanaG> http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=13405
[21:34] <mac_v> someone*
[21:34]  * DanaG adds user root to group plugdev.
[21:34] <bjsnider> you mean screencasting?
[21:34] <mac_v> yeah
[21:35]  * mac_v half drowsy
[21:35] <mac_v> bjsnider: any suggestions?
[21:36] <danbhfive> mac_v: I had to just try several till I found one that worked (see !screencast)
[21:36] <mac_v> !screencast
[21:37] <popey> recordmydesktop works okay
[21:37] <mac_v> danbhfive: actually there is no ideal one , but just trying to get one which everyone likes :P
[21:38] <DanaG> now, how would I record all the way from usplash to desktop?
[21:38] <DanaG> I need to get the very beginning of gdm, then after login up to desktop.
[21:39] <mac_v> DanaG: virtualbox?
[21:41] <DanaG> d??????????  ? ?    ?           ?                ? Vista
[21:41] <DanaG> drwxr-xr-x. 24 root root     4096 2009-07-24 19:57 jaunty-root
[21:41] <DanaG> I wonder what the '.' is.
[21:43] <popey> yup
[21:43] <popey> thats how I did it
[21:43] <popey> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/09_Installing_Ubuntu_Part_1
[21:44] <popey> that was done with qemu i think
[21:46] <DanaG> fuse: reading device: Operation not permitted
[21:54] <DanaG> argh, had to reboot.
[21:54] <DanaG> Basically, the issue with samba, turned out to be an issue with ntfs-3g.
[21:54] <DanaG> I was even getting FUSE failing to read.
[21:55] <bjsnider> odd
[21:55] <DanaG> And the only fix turned out to be a reboot.
[21:55] <DanaG> a different issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/222734
[21:56] <DarthArachides> Hi, how to disable the system beep?
[21:56] <DanaG> so I end up with my share named elitebook/music, instead of ELITEBOOK/Music
[21:57] <DanaG> it looks rather wimpy in lowercase.
[21:57] <DarthArachides> I already have it blacklisted in my blacklist.conf
[21:57] <LordKow> DarthArachides: I encase my computer in pillows ;)
[21:57] <DarthArachides> LordKow: LOL
[21:57] <DarthArachides> LordKow: Is it really that broken?
[21:57] <LordKow> DarthArachides: no just a light hearted comment.... does your motherboards BIOS have an option to disable it?
[21:57] <DanaG> hmm, perhaps check the sound card mixer thingamajigger?
[21:58] <DarthArachides> LordKow: Yes I think so.
[21:58] <DarthArachides> DanaG: I could do that, but it would still be user-specific
[21:58] <DarthArachides> DanaG: plus, blacklisting *should* have disabled it :(
[21:58] <DanaG> lsmod | grep pcspkr
[21:58] <DanaG> it's possible it's ignoring the blacklist.
[21:58] <LordKow> ^ all true
[21:58] <DanaG> I've blacklisted i915, and have no i915 hardware... and yet, it tries to load and blocks fglrx.
[21:59] <DanaG> I ended up having to dpkg-divert the module file out of the way.
[21:59] <DarthArachides> DanaG: pcspkr doesn't show up, but beeping still goes on :(
[21:59] <LordKow> if what is loading pcspkr is scripted it may be completely ignoring the blacklist altogether
[21:59] <LordKow> which is in all likelihood the case
[21:59] <DanaG> hmm, how about my i915?
[21:59] <DarthArachides> `lsmod | grep pcspkr` is empty
[22:00] <_daniel_> hi! i want to upgrade some components of my jaunty installation to the versions of karmic? can i perform this in an easy way?
[22:01] <guntbert> What happened to the "guest session", although the package gdm-guestsession is installed the option "guest session" doesn't appear in the user menu (daily)
[22:01] <DarthArachides> _daniel_: yes, just replace jaunty with karmic in your /etc/apt/sources.list, install whatever you want, and then go back to jaunty
[22:01] <DarthArachides> _daniel_: you should sudo apt-get update after making the change, of course.
[22:01] <LordKow> DarthArachides: by any chance is the package 'beep' installed?
[22:01] <DarthArachides> LordKow: nope
[22:01] <LordKow> k
[22:03] <LordKow> DarthArachides: is it only in a gnome terminal when you get the beep?
[22:04] <DarthArachides> LordKow: no, I don't use gnome-terminal at all
[22:04] <LordKow> ah
[22:04] <LordKow> well... i like my pillow idea ;)
[22:05] <DarthArachides> LordKow: I get it on the tty, and even on xterm, and urxvt
[22:05] <guntbert> DarthArachides: shouldn't you mention that it is highly likely to have a broken system after such an "upgrade" as _daniel_ wants ?
[22:05] <DarthArachides> LordKow: heh, I am doing that using an old headphone :)
[22:05] <LordKow> DarthArachides: i've never had an issue with system beep because i unplugged the mofo from the motherboard :P
[22:05] <DarthArachides> guntbert: oops you are right; I automatically assume that irc users should be allowed to shoot themselves in the foot.
[22:05] <LordKow> anyways, i must be going... later peeps
[22:05] <marlun_> Is there a known problem with Karmic right now because for me gnome won't even open up.
[22:05] <DarthArachides> LordKow: heh
[22:06] <guntbert> DarthArachides: yes, but not in both at once :-)
[22:06] <marlun_> and I just made an upgrade to the system.
[22:06] <DarthArachides> _daniel_: you should be careful, karmic is not that stable, and is not guaranteed to work with jaunty config
[22:09] <terrestre> who want to disable systtem beep?
[22:09] <guntbert> marlun_: here everything is running smoothly on my daily - if you don't count the crashing of nautilus, gnome-keyring and time-admin ;-)
[22:10] <marlun_> guntbert: hehe, go it. Kinds nice being in irssi in a real terminal.
[22:10] <marlun_> Nice colors too.
[22:11] <_daniel_> so it is dangerous upgrading such simple components like bluez?
[22:13] <guntbert> _daniel_: as karmic is still in alpha state - everything could be dangerous - my above mentioned chrashes were real ones - at the moment karmic is for testing/bug hunting only
[22:14] <_daniel_> and i dont have another possibility of getting that package working besides compilin from scratch?
[22:15] <herenbdy> after an apt-get dist-upgrade earlier today, the x server doesn't seem to want to start up
[22:16] <marlun_> herenbdy: same here :)
[22:16] <herenbdy> yay!
[22:16] <herenbdy> found a fix for it?
[22:17] <herenbdy> marlun_:
[22:17] <marlun_> Nope, just happend to me. I'm to tiered to do anything about it, have to go to bed soon.
[22:19] <guntbert> herenbdy, marlun_ what video card do have? today's update had nvidia modules
[22:19] <marlun_> I've got nvidia
[22:20] <marlun_> not sure how to check which one though.. but it's a laptop.
[22:21] <guntbert> marlun_: doesn't matter to me, it was only a hint about a possible reason, did you file a bug report?
[22:22] <marlun_> Nope, don't have access to a computer where I can do it right now.
[22:22]  * richardcavell still has sound issues and wonders if anyone's fixed them
[22:23] <marlun_> Well, will check back tomorrow :) Goodnight everyone!
[22:26] <herenbdy> guntbert: nvidia here as well
[22:27] <herenbdy> guntbert: it's still broken, even after removing all nvidia-related packages :(
[22:27] <guntbert> herenbdy: sorry, no help from me :-(, but you *could* file a bug report...
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hey fellows
[22:29] <herenbdy> once I get my desktop up again
[22:29] <BUGabundo> what nvidia?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I just got updates!!
[22:30] <herenbdy> updates?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> herenbdy: from nvidia
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Setting up nvidia-185-libvdpau (185.18.31-0ubuntu1) ...
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Setting up nvidia-185-libvdpau-dev (185.18.31-0ubuntu1) ...
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Setting up nvidia-common (0.2.15) ...
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Setting up nvidia-glx-185 (185.18.31-0ubuntu1) ...
[22:31] <herenbdy> yes, those broke my system :(
[22:31] <BUGabundo> darn
[22:31] <BUGabundo> and I don't have the old one on cache
[22:31] <herenbdy> x server won't start now on reboot
[22:31] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:31] <mphill> eek
[22:31] <mphill> BUGabundo: sorry to hear that
[22:32] <DanaG> That's one thing I like about fglrx: if the kernel module fails to load, you can at least still start X, though in slow-and-crappy mode.
[22:32] <mphill> i rebooted my system remotely this morning, and its down completely. interested to see what find of goodness awaits me
[22:32] <BUGabundo> well I'll only use it again tomorrow
[22:32]  * DanaG wishes AMD had some equivalent of Intel's AMT -- particularly, the Serial-Over-LAN feature.
[22:33] <BUGabundo> I guess I'll downgrade to vesa or something ehh
[22:34] <herenbdy> trying sudo startx: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0). No drivers available
[22:34] <herenbdy> would restoring my xorg.conf file to a default one fix it?
[22:34] <DanaG> is nvidia-glx installed properly?  and the dkms thingy?
[22:35] <herenbdy> nvidia-common is installed, which brought in the nvidia-185 stuff
[22:37] <herenbdy> normally when I upgrade drivers, I see the dkms thingy install the module, but I didn't this time
[22:39] <sageNsand> Rooms list isn't showing in Empathy. I can enter a room if I type it in, but no room list are being shown. Anyone know anything about this?
[22:41] <BUGabundo> Removing all DKMS Modules
[22:41] <BUGabundo> dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead.
[22:41] <BUGabundo> maybe that has something to do with it?
[22:43] <xray7224> whats the default gnome network manager called
[22:44] <herenbdy> how can I make the x server use the default drivers?
[22:44] <herenbdy> to fix this?
[22:45] <mphill> a few ways
[22:45] <mphill> do you have a Xorg.conf
[22:46] <herenbdy> yes
[22:46] <mphill> what is your driver set to?
[22:46] <mphill> you can try setting it just to vesa to at least get into X
[22:46] <herenbdy> nvidia? or something mor specific?
[22:46] <mphill> you can also mv Xorg.conf to Xorg.backup
[22:47] <mphill> and test, it might light up
[22:50]  * herenbdy takes a crash course in vi
[22:52] <mphill> herenbdy: just use nano
[22:52] <mphill> its a lot simpler
[22:52] <mphill> works more like a DOS editor
[22:55] <vesayth> is there anyway to downgrade to Grub from Grub2 after a fresh karmic install?
[22:56] <herenbdy> mphill: thanks.. that was a lot easier than trying to work with vi
[22:57] <herenbdy> yay, x is starting now
[22:57] <BUGabundo> vesayth: instaling grub-legacy?
[22:58] <vesayth> bugabundo: is there a repository I need to enable for that?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> no
[22:59] <BUGabundo> should be in the archive
[22:59] <vesayth> hmm, saying it's not available but referred to by another package
[22:59] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 0.97-29ubuntu56
[22:59] <BUGabundo> just get GRUB
[23:00] <vesayth> oh, that works =]
[23:00] <vesayth> and that will automaticall replace my grub2 bootloader?
[23:00] <vesayth> looks that way, thanks a bunch
[23:02] <ellar> hello, will karmic already contain the ubuntu greeter with clutter (like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYjYZw6AFE&) ? Where can I test it? I did not find it in daily-release?
[23:03] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/392039
[23:03] <DanaG> tweaked the description.
[23:04] <dodecanese> what the hell is gconfd-2?
[23:11] <bjsnider> herenbdy, what graphics card do you have?
[23:11] <herenbdy> bjsnider: nvidia 8800gt
[23:11] <HobbleAlong> Has anyone else been unable to install Karmic Alpha 4?  The farthest I was able to get was 1% into formatting.
[23:12] <bjsnider> herenbdy, that card works with the aforementioned driver
[23:12] <herenbdy> bjsnider: which driver?
[23:12] <Raydiation> i guess i have to take the new one, ive just built a new pc and cant get the initramfs to boot properly
[23:12] <bjsnider> i should know, i'm using it right now
[23:12] <Raydiation> is alpha 4 working properly?
[23:12] <bjsnider> 185.18.31
[23:12] <herenbdy> not for me :/
[23:12] <bjsnider> do you have a command line right now?
[23:13] <herenbdy> bjsnider: yes
[23:13] <bjsnider> run dkms status
[23:13] <herenbdy> lists my virtualbox stuff, nothing else
[23:14] <bjsnider> which kernels?
[23:14] <herenbdy> 2.6.31-6-generic
[23:14] <bjsnider> you clean installed?
[23:14] <herenbdy> removed older kernels
[23:14] <HobbleAlong> Raydiation: I was unable to install it, so I guess no :o(
[23:14] <herenbdy> as this one was working
[23:14] <bjsnider> ok, so you upgraded and obviously something got borked
[23:15] <Raydiation> herenbdy: what doesnt work for you?
[23:15] <Raydiation> HobbleAlong: did it boot in the live cd?
[23:15] <herenbdy> nvidia drivers, upon upgrading to 185, x server won't start, Raydiation
[23:15] <bjsnider> what does your xorg.conf file say?
[23:15] <bjsnider> using the nvidia driver?
[23:16] <dodecanese> i got a zombie process, im infected by a virus?
[23:16] <herenbdy> bjsnider: yes
[23:16] <herenbdy> dodecanese: the T-virus
[23:16] <BUGabundo> $ dkms status nvidia, 185.18.31, 2.6.31-6-generic, x86_64: installed
[23:16] <dodecanese> T? yeah i remember, terminate
[23:16] <bjsnider> herenbdy, just install the nvidia-glx-180 package
[23:16] <BUGabundo> dodecanese: no. that's standard OS stuff
[23:16] <bjsnider> run dkms status again, make sure it says "installed"
[23:16] <Raydiation> bjsnider: 180 doesnt support geforce gtx 275 right?
[23:17] <bjsnider> i think it does
[23:17] <HobbleAlong> Raydiation: yes it booted from the live CD but failed whenever I tried to do anything.  I tried the install 11 times to no avail.  Nothing was consistent each time it failed somewhere different.
[23:18] <dodecanese> i got my landlord installed
[23:18] <bjsnider> a new driver was released moments ago
[23:18] <bjsnider> it fixes the broken quadro m chips
[23:18] <herenbdy> bjsnider: fixed
[23:18] <herenbdy> bjsnider: thanks
[23:19] <bjsnider> cool
[23:19] <Raydiation> will karmic be as good as jaunty is?
[23:19] <Raydiation> i switched from gentoo :)
[23:19] <bjsnider> it will be better than gentoo
[23:19] <bjsnider> no, i'm just kidding
[23:20] <Raydiation> sry but 8.10 was a piece of shit ^^
[23:20] <Raydiation> it seems all 04 releases get really good
[23:20] <Raydiation> feisty was really fine too
[23:21] <BUGabundo> !language | Raydiation
[23:21] <Raydiation> BUGabundo: i know :)
[23:21] <BUGabundo> ok then
[23:21] <HobbleAlong> Raydiation:  Usually the versions get better with each release, though I had problems with 8.10 so I went back to 8.04, which I still run on a couple of boxes.
[23:23] <bjsnider> what was the big problem with intrepid?
[23:24] <x1250> guys, why would the root / partition be mounted as readonly when using data=journal? This only happens on the root partition, but /home works ok with data=journal in fstab. This is the actual line I used for the root partition, do you see anything wrong?
[23:24] <x1250> UUID=e851ea46-007a-4bc7-b210-2ad4a08de5ba /               ext4    relatime,data=journal,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[23:24] <x1250> both are EXT4
[23:25] <HobbleAlong> bjsnider: I don't know as there was a *big* problem.  It just seemed to have a bunch of little annoyances.  It may have actually been fixed but I never stuck around long enough.  I was, and still am, quite happy with 8.04.
[23:27] <Raydiation> bjsnider: pile of bugs
[23:27] <bjsnider> pile o' bugs
[23:28] <Raydiation> btw what about that banshee telepathy file transfer
[23:28] <Raydiation> anyone seen it?
[23:29] <Raydiation> will that be included in karmic?
[23:29] <dodecanese> i got a voodoo rush, how could i made it work with compix?
[23:37] <spO> what is more servere  kill -1 (sighup) or  kill -3  (sigquit) ?
[23:40] <andresmh> i saw there's a new pulseaudio!
[23:40] <andresmh> has anyone tried on intel sound card?
[23:41] <andresmh> what's new with this release of pulseaudio? the notes were empty
[23:41] <Jordan_U> A fresh install of Karmic alpha 4 works fine but after installing updates I can no longer log in ( GDM is unthemed, I get an error about gnome-power-manager preferences being corrupt, and gnome-session crashes ( leaving me with a black screen and a cursor ).
[23:44] <crdlb> spO: sigquit causes a core dump (if core dumps are enabled), so I'd say that's far more severe
[23:46] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[23:46] <BUGabundo>   chromium-browser linux-headers-2.6.31-6-generic linux-image-2.6.31-6-generic linux-libc-dev nvidia-185-kernel-source   nvidia-185-libvdpau nvidia-185-libvdpau-dev nvidia-185-modaliases nvidia-glx-185
[23:46] <BUGabundo> lets go crazzzzyyyy
[23:47] <bjsnider> did you ever get that laptop replaced?
[23:47] <bjsnider> the one with the broken purevideo chip?
[23:48] <BUGabundo> nop
[23:48] <BUGabundo> was supposed to leave it on the shop today
[23:48] <BUGabundo> but they are saying 30-45 days for replacement
[23:48] <BUGabundo> not sure I want to be without it for that long just for vdpau :(
[23:48] <bjsnider> at least you talked them into it
[23:51] <BUGabundo> not so sure
[23:51] <BUGabundo> the shop will just send it to _somewhere_
[23:51] <BUGabundo> and it may not even see anything changed
[23:52] <BUGabundo> Running depmod.
[23:52] <BUGabundo> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-6-generic
[23:52] <BUGabundo> Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
[23:52] <BUGabundo> (2.6.31-6.25 was configured last, according to dpkg)
[23:52] <BUGabundo> Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
[23:52] <BUGabundo> (2.6.31-6.25 was configured last, according to dpkg)
[23:52] <BUGabundo> Running postinst hook script /usr/sbin/update-grub.
[23:52] <BUGabundo> error: cannot open `/dev/sdb' while attempting to get disk size
[23:52] <BUGabundo> stupid grub is trying to install it self on my android
[23:53] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo: No, it's looking for other OS's if I remember correctly ( from messing with the scipts in /etc/grub.d/ )
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Removing all DKMS Modules
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Done.
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Adding Module to DKMS build system
[23:54] <BUGabundo> driver version= 185.18.36
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Doing initial module build
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Installing initial module
[23:54] <BUGabundo> ok I seem to have manage to get Nvidia fine
[23:54] <BUGabundo> ok U
[23:54] <BUGabundo> ok Jordan_U
[23:57] <Jordan_U> A fresh install of Karmic alpha 4 works fine but after installing updates I can no longer log in ( GDM is unthemed, I get an error about gnome-power-manager preferences being corrupt, and gnome-session crashes ( leaving me with a black screen and a cursor ).


[05:36] <bluefoxicy> next tech board meeting is when
[05:36] <bluefoxicy> 29 mar 2005 2000utc
[05:36] <bluefoxicy> 3pm on a tuesday.


[18:43] <Nafallo> !it
[18:43] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[21:08] <Daviey> #lrluk-crew
[21:08] <Daviey> whoops
[23:33] <LjL> raptoid, there is just one thing not clear to me about #ubuntu.tr
[23:33] <LjL> why doesn't it follow the normal naming, i.e. #ubuntu-tr?
[23:33] <Nafallo> LjL: we had that for .se, it was redirected to -se after a while ;-)
[23:33] <Nafallo> LjL: we followed #debian.se the first years ;-)
[23:33] <raptoid> the owner of that channel is my friend
[23:34] <LjL> raptoid, are you not the owner?
[23:34] <raptoid> but he is not able to connect to irc
[23:34] <raptoid> yes i am
[23:34] <LjL> so wait, you mean the owner of #ubuntu-tr? or .tr?
[23:35] <raptoid> actually one of them but the owner of other channel is not able to connect to irc
[23:35] <raptoid> he is my friend
[23:36] <raptoid> but he direct his channel to my channel
[23:36] <LjL> raptoid, ideally the channel name for the official channel should be #ubuntu-tr, though, since all other official channels follow that naming
[23:36] <LjL> #ubuntu.tr is official, no? (it's on the wiki, at least)
[23:37] <raptoid> yes it is the official
[23:37] <raptoid> all the ubuntu turkish people join that channel
[23:37] <raptoid> .tr
[23:38] <LjL> raptoid: would you mind if things were swapped, making #ubuntu-tr the active channel, and #ubuntu.tr a redirect to it? the current situation is a bit weird
[23:39] <raptoid> yes but the owner of the -tr channel is not able to come to irc
[23:39] <raptoid> if you give the ownership of the channel to me
[23:39] <raptoid> that could be
[23:40] <raptoid> better
[23:40] <LjL> raptoid, that is possible
[23:41] <raptoid> ok
[23:43] <LjL> raptoid, another thing is that i think the channel should not be +s... that way, people cannot see that the channel exists
[23:43] <raptoid> im sorry
[23:43] <raptoid> i will do that
[23:43] <raptoid> if u give the ownership
[23:44] <LjL> raptoid: yes, can you wait a couple of minutes?
[23:44] <raptoid> no problem
[23:44] <raptoid> i will wait
[23:45] <PriceChild> yes i'm happy with it
[23:59] <LjL> raptoid, you are the contact of #ubuntu-tr now
[23:59] <LjL> however, i guess you probably want, first, to get locobot_1 transferred to the new channel
[23:59]  * Nafallo should not have looked at that 2girls1cup video...


[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[10:12] <highvoltage> good morning dholbach
[10:12] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[10:13] <dholbach> highvoltage: I'll have a look at menesis' packages now - will let you know when I'm done
[10:13] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:13] <dholbach> heya czajkowski
[10:13] <dholbach> czajkowski: we're working on getting schooltool in for LTS
[10:13] <czajkowski> dholbach: did you meet ivank at sprint?
[10:13] <dholbach> but they have like<PHONE_NUMBER>426 packages that need to be checked
[10:13] <czajkowski> oh nice
[10:13] <dholbach> czajkowski: yeah
[10:13] <dholbach> but we only talked briefly
[10:13] <czajkowski> I must go poke her this week re paper jams
[10:21] <dholbach> highvoltage: just uploaded .keyreference and .lifecycleevent
[10:26] <dholbach> highvoltage: uploaded .annotation and .broken too
[10:39] <dholbach> highvoltage: I reviewed all of menesis' packages on REVU now - the remaining are missing the license text and zope.index and restrictedpython need a second ACK
[10:50] <highvoltage> dholbach: great! I glanced at it on wednesday, I'll be able to spend some decent time on it today and over the weekend at least!
[10:51] <dholbach> I hope that menesis gets to upload all the other packages soon too
[10:51] <highvoltage> dholbach: hmm how can they get a second ack without the license? that's the issue where the full license isn't included in the upstream tarball right?
[10:52] <dholbach> highvoltage: we can just rubberstamp it: both say "ACK, but please add the license to the source package"
[10:53] <dholbach> so once he does another upload with the license in the diff (until upstream fixes it for real), we go ahead and upload and archive it
[10:58] <highvoltage> dholbach: ok
[11:00] <dholbach> highvoltage: with only a few days left until feature freeze it doesn't make sense trying to be more Catholic than the Pope :)
[11:00] <highvoltage> dholbach: heh, indeed! I guess the license issue can just exist as a bug for a few days afterwards :)
[11:01] <dholbach> the archive admins want it, so it's fine for it to live in the diff.gz until upstream fixes it
[11:01] <highvoltage> dholbach: I thought you meant before that you added a first ack for zope.index, but I see on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zope.index that your comment doesn't include an advocation, was that on purpose or by accident perhaps? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zope.index
[11:01] <dholbach> hang on
[11:02] <dholbach> oversight
[11:02] <dholbach> fixed
[11:03] <highvoltage> dholbach: would it be appropriate to suggest filing a bug for the license issue?
[11:04] <dholbach> highvoltage: menesis already asked upstream to fix it and as zope will move to a new license soon anyway, they'll fix it with some kind of script
[11:04] <highvoltage> dholbach: ok, great
[11:04] <dholbach> so it's basically "handled" - it'll just need the particular upstream maintainers to roll new releases
[11:04] <dholbach> which will happen over time
[11:14] <highvoltage> dholbach: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/restrictedpython still needs a first ack as well
[11:14] <dholbach> too many reviews at once :)
[11:53] <highvoltage> heh, yes
[12:04] <highvoltage> dholbach: should I upload zope.index and restrictedpython?
[12:30] <dholbach> highvoltage: do they contain the license text?
[12:30] <dholbach> hey Hardik
[12:30] <dholbach> highvoltage: they should at least contain it as part of the .diff.gz
[12:30] <Hardik> dholbach, Yes.
[12:37] <highvoltage> dholbach: yes it's in the copyright file
[12:37] <dholbach> highvoltage: that's unfortunately not enough
[12:37] <dholbach> highvoltage: there needs to be a file with the license text
[12:37] <dholbach> preferrably in the .orig.tar.gz
[12:38] <dholbach> if that doesn't work (upstream is working on it), then at least in the .diff.gz
[13:09] <dholbach> highvoltage: zope.site and zope.index uploaded too - this will be busy times for the archive admins :-D
[13:17] <highvoltage> dholbach: heh :)
[14:04] <czajkowski> ye've been busy
[14:18] <dholbach> yeah, I'm totally ready for the WE :)
[14:18] <dholbach> czajkowski: I guess you haven't been twiddling thumbs either :-)
[14:20] <czajkowski> dholbach: this weekend is going to be watching rugby :) well bar tomorrow morning, when i'd doing a short talk, but from 2 pm, it's non nerding :)
[14:21] <dholbach> czajkowski: you're in the bar tomorrow morning - wow
[14:21] <dholbach> the Irish sure are ambitious ;-)
[14:21] <czajkowski> :p
[14:21] <czajkowski> 2pm :D
[14:22] <dholbach> who's playing?
[14:22] <czajkowski> Ireland V France :D and Scotland V Wales
[14:23] <dholbach> oh wow
[14:26] <czajkowski> <--- shall be very happy
[14:30] <dholbach> :-)