[20:05] <donttasemebro> escott: err yeah sure mind waiting a second? im not too sure its the right one but you think if i gave you the model you'd have an idea?
[20:05] <naxa> escott: what if i don't have a cd/dvd drive any more?
[20:05] <dr_Willis> dual video cards..  we have came a long way  since the old days. :)
[20:05] <escott> donttasemebro, i wouldn't know, but someone in the channel might
[20:05] <escott> naxa, liveusb. you cant resize the system when it is running
[20:05] <naxa> escott: thanks!
[20:06] <donttasemebro> dr_willis: wish we didnt lol
[20:06] <meway> I installed a canon pixma mp270 to the windows portion of my Hardrive How do I make it work with ubuntu
[20:06] <meway> Its a printer*
[20:06] <dr_Willis> meway,  run the printer config tool under ubun tu and hope   its supported.
[20:07] <meway> Its not there
[20:07] <dr_Willis> canon has rather poor linux support. You may need to research it a bit to see if it can use some other canon driver.
[20:07] <meway> I'm feeling lazy :s
[20:08] <stormer99> Can anyone help me with a battery discharging problem?
[20:08] <donttasemebro> hi everyone, i need a new laptop i was considering one with a mobility radeon card (ones with switchable graphics) but it appears that actually those dont natively work with linux so i was wondering, since they dont work and i dont want to install drivers for them (or as far as i can see i wont have graphics) does it mean that the ATI card doesnt turn on at all? the card is a  6470M   (sorry for copy n paste, probably faster :P)
[20:08] <Lenin_Cat> Would cairodock and compiz result in my Xorg process using 20% of my CPU?
[20:09] <escott> donttasemebro, i think the exact manufacturer (hp dell etc) is more important than the card number
[20:09] <donttasemebro> escott: the second you said :P its an inspiron 15R with that graphic card
[20:10] <meway> dr_Willis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244254
[20:18] <crohakon> Anyone here able to give me some help with jailkit (using ISP Config 3.) I need to allow a user to use the java command in ssh.
[20:18] <lesliejiang> 有人在马
[20:19] <Filar> Hello
[20:20] <Filar> Is lintesia still supported?
[20:20] <alnr> I would like to run XRDP on a privileged port instead of 3389 but it wont come up listening on that port. any idea? i guess it isnt root when it starts listening, but no error message.
[20:20] <ImDexter> again, how do I change the owner of any given folder INCLUDING every subfolder in it?
[20:20] <ImDexter> sudo chmod what?
[20:21] <escott> ImDexter, chown -R
[20:22] <rodd> Hi, I have grub2 installed on my machine but it doesnt seem to show on boot. I have ubuntu in a hdd and win7 in another, the ubuntu one is set to load first on bios.
[20:24] <fbdystang> Hi all, How do I set up a static IP in Natty? Thanks
[20:25] <BluesKaj> rodd , you're say grub doesn't show ...is it booting into ubuntu without grub showing?
[20:25] <ImDexter> escott, what about sudo chown dexter /home/dexter/Compiled/FlightGear -R ?
[20:26] <Spektreii> imdexter:  chown <user>.<group> -R <path>
[20:26] <IT-Duck> Can anyone recommend partition sizes for a 160gb hard drive with Ubuntu (/home on a seperate partition)? I plan on running Ubuntu for every day use (plus web dev. and metasploit)
[20:26] <IT-Duck> How much is needed for Ubuntu?
[20:26] <rodd> BluesKaj, yes, it boots straight into ubuntu. I'd like it to show an option to choose between win on sata and ubuntu on ide
[20:26] <escott> ImDexter, flags usually come first otherwise it will think -R is a path
[20:27] <escott> rodd, modify /etc/default/grub
[20:29] <VCoolio> IT-Duck: 6Gb for / should be enough, maybe 10 if you like to experiment with desktop environments; use for /home as much as you think you need for personal data, or everything else if you don't dual boot with windows
[20:30] <VCoolio> IT-Duck: also a swap partition, size depending on RAM size and whether you're going to hibernate or not
[20:31] <nit-wit> rodd, run this script and pastebin all the ext.http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[20:31] <nit-wit> *text
[20:31] <IT-Duck> VCoolio: thanks! So 10bg should be enough for (metasploit, Gnome, fluxbox, and random other apps
[20:31] <VCoolio> IT-Duck: yes
[20:32] <dr_Willis>  10gb for / was too small here.. once i added in the  var/cache and /tmp/ ussage :()
[20:32] <dr_Willis> but it depends on what you do.
[20:32] <quantumlemur> hey, I'm on 11.04, and sometimes my battery meter shows incorrect battery status or state.  If I click on it and view the detailed properties, it's all correct in there.  any ideas or troubleshooting tips?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> rodd .in /etc/default/grub  change GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 to any number of secs you like grub to appear for so you can make a kernel/OS choice
[20:33] <IT-Duck> dr_Willis: what size do you use for /?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 , is 5 secs , rodd
[20:33] <cladd> i'm trying to install 11.04 server from cd, and i verified the disc from the menu (checked out), but after i select my keyboard layout it scans some directories then the screen just goes purple (blank)
[20:33] <IT-Duck> I'm thinking 12gb will suffice
[20:34] <fbdystang> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu Natty Narwahl. I am trying to set my static IP on my router as <IP_ADDRESS>, ifconfig shows correct inet address for eth0, but I can't ping outside to google. Please advise. Thank You
[20:34] <rodd> nit-wit, http://pastebin.com/M4S5Xfq5
[20:34] <rodd> BluesKaj, let me try that
[20:34] <nit-wit> BluesKaj, if the windows entry was in the grub menu no time change would br needed, why not suggest a update-grub first.
[20:34] <tamer> my window manager keeps crashing, need help.
[20:35] <rodd> BluesKaj,  it has 10 as default: http://pastebin.com/KKKu7Jyb
[20:36] <rodd> ran update-grub
[20:36] <dr_Willis> IT-Duck,  at least 20 normally.  If i ever redo a dvd-video - /tmp/ gets to be at least 4+GB. and i use apt-cacher-ng. so my /var/apt/cache gets to be a bit large also - 2+gb
[20:37] <vec> i ran `sudo pppoeconfig eth0' for use with a mpdem, now i cant connect to my nat/dhcp router anymore, is that normal or did make a mistake along the way?
[20:37] <cladd> anyone seen the 11.04 server installer screen just go blank (alll purple)? i can switch to other consoles, and i can run commands, but the installer looks like it's hung
[20:38] <BluesKaj> rodd then do as nit-wit suggests , sudo update-grub ...I haven't dual booted for a while
[20:38] <cladd> i verified the disk, and it checks out
[20:39] <sseremeth> @escott: install puked at end of downloading stuff (http://imagebin.org/157815) but then said install was finished, let me reboot gracefully, then I get this stack trace (similar but quite the same as previous) http://imagebin.org/157814
[20:39] <BluesKaj> rodd, if all else fails , try holding the shift key aftern the BIOS scrn and grub should appear
[20:39] <rodd> thanks ill give it another try
[20:39] <rodd> will be back in 5 min
[20:39] <nit-wit> rodd, your missing vista the script it may be as simple a a sudo update-grub in a Ubuntu terminal, put the HD" in the bios as sdc then sdb the sdc with the other entries.
[20:40] <nit-wit> rodd, the vista boot stanza is missing it apperas to be there though.
[20:40] <sseremeth> @escott: s/quite/not quite/
[20:40] <geraudk2000> Hello
[20:40] <escott> sseremeth, its not finding the partitions
[20:41] <escott> as if the kernel/initrd doesn't support your sata controller
[20:41] <sseremeth> so basically same issue - ok, let me install another distro
[20:41] <geraudk2000> I have an Asus G73sw laptop but button "fn" do not work
[20:41] <sseremeth> @escott maverick was working fine (and natty did too for a while)
[20:42] <Plazma> hmm.. seems to be  major exhaust leak right out of the manifold to the cat.. dont' think it's sealed
[20:42] <cwheeler> I'm looking for current docs on building a kernel for ubuntu so it will support my eyetv
[20:42] <cladd> has anyone seen 11.04 server hang after choosing your keyboard layout?
[20:42] <cladd> the installation, i mean
[20:42] <BluesKaj> sseremeth, @ isn't necessary on irc, just type the nick and it will highlight on his text
[20:43] <geraudk2000> please someone can help me, I have  an Asus G73sw laptop but button "fn" do not work
[20:43] <sseremeth> BluesKaj - roger, that
[20:44] <cwheeler> what do I have to do to use the source from kernel.org to build a ubuntu kernel?
[20:44] <sseremeth> escott: this is the mobo http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3/M4A87TD_EVO/#specifications - will try and dig into storage chipset issues
[20:45] <o0splitpaw0o> hello peeps
[20:45] <BluesKaj> samuel
[20:47] <o0splitpaw0o> uhg raining
[20:48] <VCoolio> !kernel | cwheeler
[20:48] <cwheeler> I want a new driver that's not in the current ubuntu kernel
[20:48] <stevieman> is there a way to find out what updates were appliend the last time I did an update?
[20:48] <cwheeler> what's the best way to do that?
[20:49] <babalu> help plz something happens and now I can move or minimize all my windows
[20:49] <rodd> BluesKaj, nit-wit so the grub screen appears now. However when I select win7 it just hangs and reboots
[20:49] <babalu> the marquee around desapiered
[20:49] <tamer> my window manager keeps crashing, need help.
[20:50] <VCoolio> cwheeler: last link says for that you only need to install the linux-headers packages
[20:50] <nit-wit> rodd, have you run a update-gru from Ubuntu, and has the vista ever run since the ubuntu install? and how did you resize the vista for installing the ubuntu? three questions here.
[20:50] <cwheeler> the driver isn't a separate package it's part of the kernel now
[20:50] <nit-wit> update-grub
[20:50] <dr_Willis> !kernel
[20:51] <dr_Willis> cwheeler,  theres ppa's for newer kenenls. use at your own risk.
[20:51] <dr_Willis> bbl.
[20:51] <cwheeler> where do I find the ppas?
[20:51] <rodd> nit-wit, yes I ran from Ubuntu, I don't have vista, just ubuntu on this hdd and win7 on another hdd. win7 runs just fine if I change the hdd boot order on bios
[20:51] <VCoolio> cwheeler: either it's as a module part of the linux-headers package, or you need a newer kernel and then you need a kernel ppa, check launchpad.net
[20:51] <escott> sseremeth, im afraid this is a bit beyond me. its clearly something with that chipset and the more recent kernels
[20:51] <rodd> i have had vista, years ago on this hdd (where ubuntu was installed)
[20:51] <cwheeler> I need a newer kernel
[20:54] <rationalOgre> geraudk2000: Initial research says that the G73sw is not yet supported by the asus-wmi driver and that it is being worked on.
[20:54] <rationalOgre> geraudk2000: still researching though. Give me a moment.
[20:55] <sseremeth> escott thanks much for the assistance - I'll go back to Maverick if I have to
[20:55] <nit-wit> rodd, do you have the bios reading the hd's in this order, sdc then sdb then sda last. You have a ms bootloader in the mbr of the sda HD it may be that grub is going there rather then the sdb mbr.
[20:55] <o0splitpaw0o> Try using the ubuntu ppa manager from getdeb.net it will allow you to search ppa's and install on the fly
[20:55] <escott> sseremeth, you could run natty just be sure to use the older kernels
[20:56] <sseremeth> escott: good call
[20:56] <jasongriffee> how do i disable join/disconnects messages in empathy?
[20:56] <RA_drc> hi, how can i update my kernel to 2.6.34? my current kernel version is 2.6.32-32-generic
[20:57] <rodd> nit-wit, in bios i have sdc1 first (ubuntu), sdb1 (win7) and I believe sda1 (just for backups, formatted as ntfs)
[20:57] <o0splitpaw0o> Try using the ubuntu ppa manager from getdeb.net it will allow you to search ppa's and install on the fly
[20:58] <oCean> RA_drc: that's the current kernel on 10.04
[20:58] <rodd> I guess it's pointing to the wrong disk
[20:59] <o0splitpaw0o> VCoolio: Should auto resize the drive if you have the diskspace for it. if not, might only offeryou to erase the drive.
[20:59] <nit-wit> rodd, I will look closer at the script myself but it may be that the sdb drive needs a chkdsk run grub is kind of picky in this area. worse case here you could leave t as is except using easybcd to boot Ubuntu , this would have the sdb before sdc in the bios.
[20:59] <nit-wit> *it
[20:59] <nit-wit> brb
[20:59] <rodd> alright thanks for the help
[21:00] <cladd> could someone help me figure out why server 11.04 is hanging on the installation? my disc is verified good from the menu
[21:01] <rationalOgre> geraudk2000: http://scottsautorepair.net/microsoft.sucks/G73SW.keyboard.lights.html has information of all kinds on the topic.
[21:01] <tufte> a while ago, i set up a cool feature to manage my screen (to get windows to take up half the screen) compiz has some plugin, anyone able to help me remember?
[21:02] <escott> tufte, grid in ccsm or window matching
[21:02] <RA_drc> oCean: what do i need to do to start using 2.6.34?
[21:04] <oCean> RA_drc: current repositories are providing that version. You could upgrade to ubuntu 10.10, which comes with 2.6.35 I guess
[21:04] <tufte> escott, hmm. . . that doesn't sound like it
[21:04] <oCean> !info linux-image-generick maverick
[21:04] <oCean> !info linux-image-generic maverick
[21:05] <escott> tufte, browse through ccsm and see if you can find it
[21:05] <tufte> will do, do you have a link, i am not familiar with cssm
[21:05] <benitoa> Hi guys, what triggers "update-manager -d" to display the distribution upgrade message ?
[21:06] <escott> !ccsm | tufte
[21:07] <nit-wit> rodd, you know how to run a chkdsk /f/r on the vista I presume.
[21:07] <RA_drc> oCean: i need to upgrade to 2.6.34 specifically
[21:07] <rodd> i dont have vista, just win7, yes i know
[21:07] <RA_drc> oCean: 2.6.35 will not work
[21:07] <__Alex_> How many Ubuntuards still use windows?
[21:08] <oCean> RA_drc: you have to pull it in from somewhere else, but that's not supported: since it's not in the repositories, you might get in all kinds of trouble.
[21:09] <nit-wit> rodd, cool I never used esybcd until testerday when I installed XP on a hd reading as W7 an extended with 3 Ubuntu, then the XP in  primary. I have grub2 boot to W7 now which gives me a choice of W7 or XP.
[21:09] <nit-wit> *yesterday
[21:09] <eXDO> Am trying to install openbravo-3, and its reporting "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2"
[21:09] <c0decub> In Ubuntu classic no video effects work for whatever reason even if you have your drivers
[21:10] <c0decub> like when you go to appearance, there is no visual effects tab
[21:10] <rodd> nit-wit, ill run chkdsk and try easybcd
[21:10] <benitoa> Hi guys, what triggers "update-manager -d" to display the distribution upgrade message ?
[21:11] <oCean> benitoa: -d checks whether latest development release is available for download
[21:11] <Rallias> Does anyone have the example loan amortization tables that came with ubuntu 7.04?
[21:11] <c0decub> In Ubuntu classic no video effects work for whatever reason even if you have your drivers
[21:11] <nit-wit> rodd, I was surprised at how easy easybcd was it read the Ubuntu grub2 with know problem and brought me to my main grub2 menu, I do have the XP showing in the grub2 menu but it at tis point wont boot with the W7 being the acxtive=boot flag partition, but easybcd boots t.
[21:11] <c0decub> think im gonna use linux mint
[21:12] <BluesKaj> cladd, how old is the pc you're trying to install on
[21:12] <RA_drc> oCean: where can i pull it in from?
[21:12] <benitoa> oCean: yeah i undestand, but for that needs to use a distrib info name located on my machine... Which file ? This is what i'm looking after.
[21:12] <cladd> it's about a year old
[21:12] <oCean> Rallias: you do realise that 7.04 is eol since 2008 right?
[21:12] <vec> benitoa: i think the prefered way is ''sudo apt-get dist-upgrade''
[21:12] <Rallias> oCean: Yeah
[21:12] <Rallias> :D
[21:12] <oCean> RA_drc: i really don't know
[21:12] <rodd> nit-wit, I hope it will do it, thanks for all the help
[21:13] <cladd> BluesKaj it's about a year old, and i'm using the 64 bit server installer
[21:13] <rodd> nit-wit, if it doesnt, ill just boot by switching the order in bios, I only use ubuntu for dev
[21:13] <Rallias> oCean: I thought to try here to see if anyone kept a hold of it.
[21:13] <vec> or u just configure the update manager to show dist upgrade
[21:13] <oCean> benitoa: lsb_release -a ? something like that
[21:14] <BluesKaj> cladd, did you try any other OS live cd on it ?
[21:14] <nit-wit> rodd, there is a post bios menu you can choose rather then changing the bios per-session mine is f12, your may be different
[21:14] <oCean> Rallias: I'm not familiar with that, it came with certain package in 7.04?
[21:14] <nit-wit> *yours
[21:14] <rodd> nit-wit, I gotta check that, I'm a bit outdated with computer stuff
[21:14] <rodd> ive got an asus p5n-e sli
[21:15] <cladd> BluesKaj no, i haven't tried any live CDs. i guess i could try the desktop live CD
[21:15] <BluesKaj> cladd, yes , then we can prove that it's not hanging due to a HW problem
[21:16] <Rallias> oCean I've looked...
[21:16] <benitoa> oCean: thks! i'm checking this path... look like this is not so obvious... i'm trying to undo what Elementary OS team have done to stop cross upgrade... I want to see what breaks in this derivative.
[21:16] <centHOGG> BluesKaj: hooray, good ts
[21:16] <realsifo> hello
[21:17] <BluesKaj> centHOGG, ??
[21:17] <nit-wit> rodd, may be esc, or an f key, or even two keys but probably one. I think it is f8.
[21:17] <centHOGG> troubleshooting
[21:17] <realsifo> do you know the default password of ubuntu live cd?
[21:17] <Rallias> @realsifo: I think its ubuntu/ubuntu
[21:18] <realsifo> i want to swicth to gnome classic in live cd :)
[21:18] <realsifo> ok i will try it :)
[21:18] <nit-wit> realsifo, where are you be asked for the password?
[21:18] <nit-wit> *being
[21:18] <realsifo> in change season :)
[21:18] <realsifo> i log off the live cd season :)
[21:19] <vec> tried with a blank pw?
[21:19] <realsifo> blank don't work
[21:19] <vec> in 9.04 the live-cd didnt have a root pw
[21:19] <vec> nor a user one
[21:19] <realsifo> root also don;t work :P
[21:19] <Rallias> There's something in the ubuntu wiki about it
[21:19] <nit-wit> realsifo, hmm I haven't had to do that for awhile, are you checking drivers?
[21:19] <OerHeks> realsifo, try name blanc, pass ubuntu
[21:20] <vec> really, thats sth you could google. realsifo
[21:20] <realsifo> i just want gnome classic in live cd :)
[21:20] <Rallias> realsifo: try running passwd before you log out
[21:20] <Flannel> no, liveCD usernames are "ubuntu", and the password is blank.  If that doesn't work, it's likely the liveCD is bad.
[21:21] <oCean> Rallias: the thing is, at old-releases.ubuntu.com, the packages from previous (eol) versions are still available
[21:21] <piero> Is there any torrent client for Ubuntu that doesn't download a lot of files when I select to just download one or two from a torrent? (I know it is necessary due to more than one file can be wrote in a block, but is not trivial that if I select just some files from all, the program should delete the others after downloading?)
[21:21] <oCean> Rallias: so if you know what packages it is you are looking for
[21:22] <realsifo> ok thanks :)
[21:22] <nit-wit> piero, you are downloadibg a iso you would have to extract I believe to mess with it if I understand you.
[21:22] <vec> what do i need to install to get mp3 and mpg support, ffmpeg/mplayer enough?
[21:23] <oCean> vec: please don't point people to google here
[21:23] <BluesKaj> piero, ktorrent and deluge let you choose the files before activating the download in a dialog showing the files
[21:23] <vec> BluesKaj: but they will most likely download adjacent files too
[21:23] <vec> as piero pointed out
[21:23] <nit-wit> piero, I see, now you get what the p2p link gives you, in deluge and probably other apps you can not down load part of it.
[21:23] <piero> BluesKaj, but deluge download leave a directory with a lot of files more than I selected before starting de download
[21:24] <BluesKaj> vec, not if you uncheck them
[21:24] <vec> transmission does anyway, and i dont care, i just delete the superflous stuff
[21:24] <nit-wit> piero, are you sure they are extra, and what are they can you be specific here.
[21:25] <BluesKaj> piero, that's why i use ktorrent
[21:25] <vec> transmission lets u select which files to download too
[21:25] <piero> BluesKaj, I will test deluge again. But I made it with transmission, deluge-gtk, vuze and something else
[21:25] <piero> vec, but it download others files you don't selected
[21:25] <vec> only partial
[21:25] <nit-wit> All the p2p apps download the same files from any specific p2p host
[21:26] <vec> and you can just delete manually, no?
[21:26] <rodd> whats the service name for apache on ubuntu? apache2, apache, httpd gives nothing
[21:27] <judget> what is the recomended maillist server for ubuntu server is MajorDomo still used?
[21:27] <piero> vec, if the program show me a checklist with files I want to download, why should it give me files I have not selected? It is not normal the fact I have to manually delete the "trash" after downloading
[21:27] <BluesKaj> piero, deluge is a bit of a bandwidth hog tho , it reserves bandwidth nfor the whole file even if it's not needed
[21:27] <vec> u could enable the option to dtore partial downloads in a specific folder and only move finished download to designated destination
[21:28] <piero> BluesKaj, well.. I has resistant to ktorrent because I use gnome. But I will try it now
[21:28] <vec> s/dtore/store/
[21:28] <judget> rodd I thought it was httpd but it starts and stops as apache or apache 2
[21:28] <BluesKaj> piero, well that's your call
[21:28] <nit-wit> BluesKaj, it has a darn daemon that continues to run after closed in natty as well on my setup.
[21:28] <vec> piero: did you read what i wrote?
[21:28] <piero> vec, hmm.. that's a solution! Ugly, but it is
[21:29] <rodd> judget, both gives me 'unrecognized service'
[21:29] <oCean> rodd it's apache2, have you installed apache?
[21:29] <rodd> yes of course
[21:29] <BluesKaj> nit-wit, yeah, ktorrent does the same , you have to manually quit even after a file is finished
[21:29] <vec> nit-wit: which prog?
[21:29] <rodd> i removed it from init.d
[21:30] <MethedMan> is there any voice recognition software that is decent for ubuntu
[21:30] <rodd> dont think it would have caused the service to 'disappear', would it?
[21:30] <oCean> rodd: well, yeah, that would give unrecognized service
[21:30] <oCean> rodd: sure
[21:30] <nit-wit> vec, deluge, I just kill it with htop.
[21:30] <rodd> oh touche
[21:30] <vec> BluesKaj: you shouldnt just quit after a file is finished, to keep on seeding, Sharing is Caring :)
[21:30] <rodd> how do i add an entry there again?
[21:30] <rodd> well I also got rid of mysql there and its service name still responds
[21:30] <cwheeler> how do I update a ubuntu kernel source tree installed with apt-get?
[21:30] <eipi-1> i got the problem described here: https://lists.launchpad.net/gma500/msg00373.html with a fresh xubuntu 11.04 installation. anyone any hint?
[21:31] <oCean> rodd: no backup of the script? In that case you have to reinstall apache or find an other user that is willing to share that init.d/apache2 script
[21:31] <vec> !xubuntu|eipi-1
[21:31] <rodd> oCean, I removed its entry there so that it wouldnt start with the OS
[21:32] <BluesKaj> vec , oh i do , I usually DL overnight , so it seeds long after any DLs are done
[21:32] <oCean> rodd: oh, so the script is still there?
[21:32] <vec> k
[21:32] <vec> is it ok to talk about xubuntu in here as long as it isnt xfice specific?
[21:33] <eipi-1> vec, yes thx but, my point was not the xubuntu thing. i just added this as i thought it may make a difference in solving the driver problem
[21:33] <jimmie> I say "Gnome" like roam. Why do Americans say it thus: "Guh-noam"
[21:33] <Guest52695> dnt believe the hype
[21:33] <oCean> Guest52695: do you have a support question?
[21:33] <piero> ktorrent made it!
[21:33] <Guest52695> what is your favorite color
[21:34] <piero> dpkg --purge transmission right now
[21:34] <oCean> Guest52695: an ubuntu related support question? this is not general chat
[21:34] <rww> jimmie: the G in GNOME stands for GNU. GNU is pronounced guh-noo
[21:34] <DaGeek247> its like 'gnat'
[21:34] <judget> rodd look in /etc/init.d see if there is a script there for apache. on my system i can start and stop by sudo /etc/init.d apache2 start / stop / restart
[21:34] <Guest52695> how is ubuntu different from unix
[21:34] <DaGeek247> pronounced 'nat'
[21:34] <rww> jimmie: I note that this isn't an American/non-American thing.
[21:35] <centHOGG> it costs more
[21:35] <rodd> judget,  there isnt as I got rid of it so that it wouldnt start with OS
[21:35] <BluesKaj> !unix | Guest52695
[21:35] <jimmie> So you suggest that pronouncing it in the fashion i would a regular garden gnome is wrong?
[21:35] <nit-wit> eipi-1, any errors when you loaded the ppa?
[21:35] <judget> rodd so what exactly r u trying to acomplish?
[21:35] <jimmie> No I wasnt trying to begin some anti-american conversation, Im just curious.
[21:35] <rodd> put it back there
[21:36] <Guest52695> how do you pronounce daemon, like demon the monster or damon the mans name
[21:36] <rodd> or
[21:36] <rodd> find a way to start it
[21:36] <eipi-1> nit-wit, no, everything seemed to work well, until running the conf
[21:36] <judget> why not just reinstall it ? sudo apt-get install apache 2
[21:36] <judget> or use synaptic and choose reinstall
[21:36] <rww> jimmie: The GNOME developers as a whole don't care either way, so one isn't really more "wrong" than the other these days. The original pronounciation, however, was guh-nome.
[21:37] <McQueen> hi, how can i record sound which is playing on my pc
[21:37] <KolakCC> Hi all, what,s the best way to backup my windows partition from ubuntu?
[21:37] <BluesKaj> jimmie, Canadians pronounce it 'nome ' :)
[21:37] <jimmie> So rhyming with "roam" yeah?
[21:37] <oCean> why do we have a pronounciation discussion in irc?
[21:37] <jimmie> Hmm, interesting.
[21:37] <BluesKaj> like the litlle ppl ...gnomes
[21:38] <McQueen> hi, how can i record sound which is playing on my pc
[21:38] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, hey, you're right - I'm Canadian, and I say 'nome'
[21:38] <BluesKaj> McQueen, playing on what on your pc?
[21:38] <centHOGG> 'nam
[21:38] <DaGeek247> McQueen try google and the app manager. audcity does it.
[21:38] <McQueen> BluesKaj, on my browser
[21:39] <rodd> im gonna go with lighttpd
[21:39] <BluesKaj> ZykoticK9, same here ... I'm near Sudbury ...forgot where you are
[21:39] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, ottawa
[21:39] <McQueen> DaGeek247, i tried audacity, its reacording settings are so hard...
[21:39] <DaGeek247> audacity can record all that is sent to your pc speaker
[21:39] <BluesKaj> ZykoticK9, right
[21:39] <DaGeek247> oh
[21:39] <nit-wit> eipi-1, did you look here, and what is the actual ubuntu version your running. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo#EMGD%20driver
[21:40] <DaGeek247> google will tell you how
[21:40] <vec> McQueen: if you cant get it to work with audacity chances are that somethings wroong andf you will have a hard time getting it to work, when i attempted to do so, i gave up
[21:40] <McQueen> DaGeek247, its realy need  to be expert..
[21:41] <McQueen> are there any easy software for it
[21:41] <nit-wit> eipi-1, I found the actual ppa and your commands are correct have you rebooted to see if it worked, there is no mention a an error where you got one expected.
[21:41] <nit-wit> *of an error
[21:42] <BluesKaj> McQueen, check this out : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/quickly-record-soundcard-output-in-ubuntu-with-outrec/
[21:42] <nit-wit> brb
[21:42] <DaGeek247> i have use audacity and its not my forte, but it still works. google will tell you how to record your pc speaker stuff with audacity.
[21:42] <DaGeek247> are you trying to gt audio from youtube?
[21:43] <McQueen> DaGeek247, yeah, but didnt work
[21:43] <DaGeek247> sites do that for you
[21:44] <DaGeek247> really easy to do. http://zamzar.com/ from the top of my head
[21:44] <brown_fern> Guest52695: These are all good questions you're asking, I'd buy a book on operating systems if I were you. Wikipedia.org has lots of answers but one often needs knowledge of the key words involved in the given subject to use it to its fullest.
[21:45] <BluesKaj> McQueen, there also other ways to copy music and video from wensites , youtue-dl,  wget, and curl  are some that I use
[21:45] <BluesKaj> youtube-dl
[21:46] <McQueen> BluesKaj, i am trying http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html that sites sound... the add-ons doesnt work
[21:46] <ubun> ubuntu 11.04 cd install says it may be a bad hd why the install fails... would wiping the hd fix this? (via dban)
[21:47] <BluesKaj> McQueen, what add-ons
[21:47] <McQueen> BluesKaj, i can dwnload videos by add-ons...
[21:47] <McQueen> BluesKaj, by firefox downloader add-on
[21:48] <BluesKaj> ok, i don't use FF
[21:48] <ubun> ubuntu 11.04 cd install says it may be a bad hd why the install fails... would wiping the hd fix this? (via dban)
[21:48]  * ActionParsnip can't wait for firefox to NOT be the default browser :)
[21:49] <nRy> hello
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> ubun: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[21:49] <ZykoticK9> ActionParsnip, what, are you hoping Lynx will become default browser?  ;)
[21:49] <nRy> Does anyone know how to setup VNC on an Ubuntu 10.10 Desktop system through SSH?
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> ZykoticK9: totally \m/
[21:50] <ubun> ActionParsnip: yeah i checked the download file. then i check the cd then i checked the cd right before i tried to install... and it all checked out good
[21:50]  * BluesKaj uses chromium...I have nothing to hide :)
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> nRy: http://lifehacker.com/317125/set-up-vnc-on-ubuntu-in-four-steps
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> ubun: good (glad you checked too)
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> ubun: boot to the live desktop and fsck to partitions. You may also want to test the drive using the manufacturers tool. This will more than likely be on the ultimate boot cd (will take a LONG time to test)
[21:52] <ubun> ActionParsnip: it said it was maybe a harddrive that sometimes causes the failed install...  I have 3 old hd... one isnt recognized by the bios. one has windows and isnt recognized by install cd, and one has error and fails.
[21:53] <ubun> ActionParsnip: fsck to parttion?
[21:54] <usb_modem> hey guys, i have a usb modem but i cant use it
[21:55] <usb_modem> hey guys, i have a usb modem but i cant use it
[21:55] <IdleOne> !details
[21:56] <KolakCC> Hi all, what,s the best way to backup my windows partition from ubuntu?
[21:56] <cladd> BluesKaj i got the 64 bit desktop version downloaded, and it boots up fine
[21:56] <cladd> BlueKaj as a live CD, i mean
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> ubun: fsck checks data health and drive health to a degree
[21:57] <rinkukokiri> which logs should i check if my laptop keeps freezing every couple hours?
[21:57] <ingm> hi can anyone help with wireless have had a look and cant get it working
[21:57] <nina> oi
[21:57] <ubun> ActionParsnip: oh i see... i dont need those hard drives... would just wiping them clean not fix that?
[21:57] <eipi-1> vec, in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is a file 10-emgd.conf but it is empty. i dont know if that file existed before trying to run the script.
[21:57] <rinkukokiri> Honestly though I do think it's firefox
[21:58] <mne7> nina: oi nini, pra falar em portugues use o #ubuntu-br
[21:58] <rinkukokiri> already did a memtest and that came back clean
[21:58] <ZykoticK9> rinkukokiri, firefox or flash?
[21:58] <vec> what??
[21:58] <cladd> hey BluesKaj, you still around?
[21:58] <rinkukokiri> hum
[21:58] <rinkukokiri> not using flash atm ZykoticK9
[21:59] <rinkukokiri> so it HAS to be firefox.
[21:59] <usb_modem> i have a usb modem, i made a new connetion (VPN-Mobile) but i dont have any username or password, i just have a phnone number
[21:59] <ZykoticK9> rinkukokiri, hum, that is surprising then.  Most issues are flash and not the browser in question.  Best of luck.
[21:59] <rinkukokiri> ZykoticK9, it happens in windows too
[22:00] <rinkukokiri> which is why i dumped windows
[22:00] <zykes-> if i don't get any buttons in my xfce desktop hwo to debug?
[22:00] <eipi-1> vec, sry, wrong person. never mind
[22:00] <vec> you maybe ment nit-wit
[22:00] <vec> hes gone
[22:01] <eipi-1> :(
[22:01] <rinkukokiri> ZykoticK9, guess it /could/ be flash, I forgot about gmail using flash ....
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: tried a different browser?
[22:01] <usb_modem> i have a usb modem, i made a new connetion (VPN-Mobile) but i dont have any username or password, i just have a phnone number
[22:01] <zykes-> anyone know ?
[22:02] <rinkukokiri> just installed chromium..  so will try
[22:02] <phill> openvpn..  am connected to a windoze network with ubuntu. on the windoze boxes openvpn is set up and working, but on my linux laptop I don't see how to set this up... don't even see a package for openvpn in the Ubuntu Software Centre
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> usb_modem: you should have a username and password, just put any old tosh in
[22:03] <Ryann> How  can i install a global menu, or App menu, on 10.10?
[22:03] <usb_modem> rinkukokiri, google chrome is also available for linux now but you need to download the deb
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> Ryann: https://launchpad.net/~globalmenu-team/+archive/ppa
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> Ryann: hmm, only up to 10.04
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> Ryann: let me search
[22:03] <usb_modem> ActionParsnip, i dont have username and passwd
[22:04] <usb_modem> i dont have any old tosh
[22:04] <usb_modem> ^^
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> Ryann: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/install-gnome2-globalmenu-in-ubuntu.html
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> usb_modem: hahaha
[22:04] <Ryann> ActionParsnip; thanks. I've had a google, but keep stumbling across some out dated global menu.
[22:04] <guntbert> !windoze | phill
[22:04] <nRy> thanks ActionParsnip! That worked great!!!
[22:05] <guntbert> !info openvpn | phill
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> Ryann: has gnome-globalmenu 0.7.10-0ubuntu1~webupd8~maverick2
[22:05] <rinkukokiri> so is there any other difference between chrome and chromium besides the latter being open source?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> nRy: what did? (brain is all over, at work)
[22:06] <ZykoticK9> rinkukokiri, chromium gets the new features first
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: chromium has fewer tracking things, chromium will have newer features
[22:06] <rinkukokiri> cool
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: there's a daily build ppa too
[22:06] <cladd> could someone give me a hand with a server 11.04 install problem?
[22:07] <guntbert> cladd: #ubuntu-server is probably better suited :)
[22:07] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, does lynx have to be run on a tty without X ?
[22:07] <usb_modem> i have a usb modem, i made a new connetion (VPN-Mobile) but i dont have any username or password, i just have a phnone number and a puk code
[22:07] <cladd> guntbert ah, thanks :)
[22:08] <IdleOne> usb_modem: for username use: guest and leave the password blank
[22:08] <usb_modem> ActionParsnip, chromium has important HTML5 and CSS3 futures
[22:09] <usb_modem> IdleOne, ok i did that but how can i start the connection now?
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: not sure man, i dont use it. I only use chromium daily ppa these days
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> usb_modem: true as well as the nice download indicator bit for unity
[22:10] <IdleOne> usb_modem: click on it? I have no idea
[22:10] <ZykoticK9> BluesKaj, lynx can be run under X
[22:11] <usb_modem> IdleOne, when i click on it it get selected when i dblclick it open the edit connection window
[22:16] <Monotoko-v6> hi guys
[22:17] <Kartagis> !info rhythmbox
[22:17] <Monotoko-v6> since I have native ipv6 on my server and ipv6 on my home computer...can I make SSH on the server be v6 only? I suspect it will get a lot less noise
[22:18] <jkkk> is there a more condensed way of doing this command ' cd ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ ; ln -s ../script.pl '
[22:18] <tomek_> hi
[22:18] <jkkk> just using ln ?
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> jkkk: make a script
[22:19] <jkkk> ActionParsnip: you can't do the cd bit though ln ?
[22:19] <Monotoko-v6> jkkk, you don't need cd if that's what you are asking
[22:19] <jkkk> Monotoko-v6: how to do that though ln
[22:19] <Monotoko-v6> jkkk, you can ln a directory you aren't in...just give the directory as a parameter...view the man page for more details
[22:19] <jkkk> Monotoko-v6: what is the comand
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> jkkk: or you can do: ls -s ~/.irssi/scripts/script.pl ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/script.pl
[22:20] <jkkk> ActionParsnip: isnt that the wrong way around?
[22:20] <ZykoticK9> ActionParsnip, ls?  I think you mean ln.
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> ZykoticK9: d'oh
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> jkkk: the format is:  ln -s source dest
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> jkkk: change the command from ls to ln in my sample
[22:21] <BluesKaj> odd when I run lynx , all I get is some man /help pages
[22:21] <jkkk> ActionParsnip:  ty very much
[22:21] <Monotoko-v6> since I have native ipv6 on my server and ipv6 on my home computer...can I make SSH on the server be v6 only? I suspect it will get a lot less noise#
[22:23] <ZykoticK9> Monotoko-v6, looks like yes, -6 see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T2h0kqS_rw
[22:23] <ZykoticK9> Monotoko-v6, sorry paste fail
[22:23] <ZykoticK9> Monotoko-v6, http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=s/ssh
[22:24] <Monotoko-v6> thank you ZykoticK9 :)
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko-v6: http://superuser.com/questions/282976/ssh-over-ipv6-got-permission-denied-error
[22:24] <rinkukokiri> so ... which logs should i check??
[22:24] <rinkukokiri> my laptop just froze again
[22:24] <Monotoko-v6> ohhh wait...you guys are confused, I have it working over v6 already...I want to stop v4
[22:24] <rinkukokiri> and it wasn't firefox/flash
[22:24] <rinkukokiri> cause firefox wasn't even open
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko-v6: you can blacklist ipv4 with boot options
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> Monotoko-v6: add: ipv4.disable=1
[22:26] <rinkukokiri> ok my laptop keeps locking up.. where should I check, I've already done memtest, came back clean
[22:26] <rinkukokiri> although i suspect the stick is bad
[22:27] <wad> Using 11.04, is there a GUI way to mount a .iso of a CD? Right-click didn't bring up anything obvious....
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> wad: there are nautilus scripts you can use
[22:27] <wad> hmmmmm
[22:27] <Monotoko-v6> ActionParsnip, I still need to run a web server on v4...I just want email and ssh to be v6
[22:27] <rinkukokiri> ActionParsnip, which logs should I check if my lappy keeps lockin up?
[22:28]  * wad checks to see if I have nautilus
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: after it unfreezes run:  dmesg | tail
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> wad: its the default file manager in gnome ubuntu
[22:28] <rinkukokiri> ActionParsnip, you mean after i force reboot?
[22:28] <IdleOne> wad: nautilus is the file manager
[22:28] <wad> Ah, of course! (Sorry, I live on the command line; trying to help someone else who uses the GUI.)
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: can you not restart X?
[22:29] <rinkukokiri> ActionParsnip, only thing i can do is hold the power button until it powers down.. it does not 'unfreeze'
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> wad: install nautilus-scripts then you can put them in the nautilus scripts folder and can be used. People make them o you can just copy them
[22:29] <nRy> I was connected to a remote Ubuntu 10.10 system using TIghtVNC and then all of a sudden I lost connection and can't get it back again
[22:30] <nRy> I am still connected through SSH no problem.
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: if you re-enable CTRL+ALT+BackSpace in keyboard settinsg, can you not restart the X server when it hangs
[22:30] <rinkukokiri> ActionParsnip, how do I re enable?
[22:30] <nRy> Can someone tell me how to check if the vncserver is running?
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: under keyboard settings -> options button
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> nRy: ps -ef | grep -i vnc
[22:31] <wad> ActionParsnip, thanks! Working on it.
[22:31] <Ryan_Macy> What is the reccomended mail program to run on ubuntu server?
[22:32] <rinkukokiri> 'keyboard settings' does not exist   i got keyboard, (which has no options button) keyboard input method and keyboard shortcuts
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> Ryan_Macy: do you mean server or client?
[22:32] <Ryan_Macy> server
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> Ryan_Macy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> Ryan_Macy: that's ne way, there is no 'recommended' mail server
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> Ryan_Macy: there are only available options
[22:33] <nRy> ActionParsnip: I got back: root     15449 15427  0 14:35 pts/2    00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i vnc
[22:34] <ActionParsnip> nRy: then it's not running, you don't need extra powers for that, users can run the command
[22:34] <nRy> how do I run it?
[22:35] <ZykoticK9> nRy, what vnc server did you install?  the grep output says there isn't anything called *vnc* running.
[22:35] <nRy> I am wondering why it just shut down in the middle of using it
[22:35] <rinkukokiri> ActionParsnip, 'keyboard settings' does not exist   i got keyboard, (which has no options button) keyboard input method and keyboard shortcuts
[22:35] <nRy> I followed thse instructions you gave to me: http://lifehacker.com/317125/set-up-vnc-on-ubuntu-in-four-steps
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: I dont know the EXACT wording, it's not the keyboard shortcuts one, its the other one
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: then there is the options button you need
[22:36] <rinkukokiri> a HA
[22:36] <rinkukokiri> found it..
[22:36] <neolock> ola
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: http://ubuntuguide.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ubuntu-10.04-1.png
[22:36] <rinkukokiri> thx :D   will try when it locks again :D
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> rinkukokiri: if someone doesn't give the exact wordiong, try sniffing around in the same are, you'll find what they mean :)
[22:38] <nRy> any thoughts ActionParsnip?
[22:38] <nRy> what is the command to restart the vncserver?
[22:39] <phill> have configured a vpn connection but don't see how it should be invoked to try it...
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> nRy: type: sudo service             then press TAB a few times, see if its listed
[22:39] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> hello what was the default cd dvd burning tool for gnome before baker?
[22:40] <ZykoticK9> asdfasdfa, brasero
[22:40] <guntbert> phill: network-manager-applet, the menu, way down "VPN Connections"
[22:40] <nRy> ActionParsnip: I typed in 'sudo service' but it does tell them me anything
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> gnome-baker is good, default is brasero, xfburn is good too. KDE has K3b which is good too
[22:41] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> ZykoticK9, thx
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> nRy: did you hit TAB a few times? Did it list the services?
[22:41] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> are there any other alternatives to baker and brasero maybe that are still easy to use and very friendly?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> asdfasdfasdfasdf: try xfburn
[22:42] <ZykoticK9> asdfasdfa, k3b (but requires KDE libraries)
[22:42] <mediawork> hi
[22:42] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> ActionParsnip, hey xfburn seems a lot like k3b :D
[22:42] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> i like it
[22:42] <guntbert> phill: how did you configure it?
[22:42] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> ZykoticK9, heh yeah that one tons of mb :(
[22:43] <ingm> can anyone help with wifi bit of a newbie and i cant get it too worl acer laptop, did when i had linux
[22:43] <guntbert> !pm | phill
[22:43] <ZykoticK9> asdfasdfasdfasdf, ya - I hear that.  I used to use it, not anymore (but still think it the best burning program on gnu/linux)
[22:43] <mediawork> I installed sensors and the sensors app panel on my ubuntu to be able to see my cpu temp.
[22:44] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> yup i agree
[22:44] <nRy> ActionParsnip: I do not see it isted
[22:44] <phill> guntbert, I used Edit connections... from the same menu, the "vpn" tab, then I transcribed the parms as best I could from my windows zip config file
[22:44] <nRy> I looked for either tightVNC or just the service VNC
[22:45] <ZykoticK9> nRy, typically vnc isn't a global service... requires a user to start/stop it.
[22:45] <mediawork> however, after running the config of lm-sensors,  I get 4 different temp values, all differnt... and labeled temp1, temp1, temp2 temp3
[22:45] <mediawork> I have no idea which one in my cpu...
[22:46] <nRy> That is odd, because we were diring it like this and it did not make a lot of news
[22:46] <nRy> oops wrong message
[22:46] <escott> mediawork, you probably have 4 cpus
[22:46] <george_> Hello. How can I remove this package from installation queue? http://pastie.org/2053857
[22:47] <escott> mediawork, !paste us your sensors output and the contents of /proc/cpuinfo
[22:47] <guntbert> phill: seems reasonable, ahh - in the "edit" dialog open "advanced"
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> nRy: then it may get started some other way (like a startup item in your user startup items)
[22:48] <mediawork> escott: http://pastebin.com/Thk93Ybg
[22:49] <mediawork> escott: I have 3 cpus... but these temps are silly, too different.
[22:49] <tsaknorris> is there a away to play Savage2 without fglx drivers. because everything runs more smoothly if i use ubuntus default drivers, but when i have to install fglx drivers then compiz starts to  run slower and plaaplaaplaa :/
[22:49] <mediawork> escott: sorry, I have 4 cpus I mean...
[22:50] <tsaknorris> i cant see the units in that game
[22:50] <tsaknorris> with these "better" default drivers
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> teax64: switch compiz off and then try, may help
[22:51] <vortex> heyy guys,can you encrypt the root password in ubuntu with aes-256?
[22:51] <guntbert> phill: you will have to enable some settings on the second tab
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> vortex: all passwords are encrypted in ubuntu, there is no root password
[22:53] <vortex> ActionParsnip is it encrypted with md5?
[22:53] <phill> guntbert, OpenVPN Advanced Options -> Security  ??    change defaults to something?
[22:53] <guntbert> vortex: the default algorithm is sha1
[22:53] <escott> mediawork, that seems reasonable. you have k10temp-pci-00c3 which is probably your northbridge controller. the three listed under it8718... are on the cpu packaging the two thermistors are in the cores, and the thermal diode is on the bus between the cores. the high temp on the second core (temp3) must be because you have a process running on that core
[22:54] <vortex> guntbert: isnt that easily crackable?
[22:54] <robinsch> i tried to install realtek audio drivers for linux and now I have no sound :(
[22:54] <guntbert> phill: sorry, tab 1: I had to select LZO, TCP and the port
[22:54] <guntbert> vortex: no
[22:55] <robinsch> I posted the issue on the forums but no replys
[22:55] <guntbert> vortex: it is a hash value
[22:55] <vortex> guntbert: hash valvue like md5 can be cracked with a simple rainbow table...
[22:55] <robinsch> anyone?
[22:56] <robinsch> can I go back to pre driver installation days?
[22:56] <george_> Guys, how can I remove an package that was unpacked but it's not configured?
[22:56] <Maimster> Sup peoples...
[22:57] <mediawork> escott: thank, I will have to process this a bit.
[22:57] <escott> vortex, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-August/026204.html
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> vortex: seems to be MD5
[22:57] <nRy> isn't there a simple command to start the vncserver?
[22:57] <vortex> yes escott ?
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> vortex: it would take you a LONG time to crack
[22:57] <grz> 123
[22:57] <robinsch> 4 months
[22:57] <phill> guntbert,  still no luck, is it testing somehow the connection first and knows already that what I'm trying won't work?
[22:57] <nRy> I don't understand why it was working fine and I was connected into the remote server with TightVNC and then it just stopped working
[22:58] <vortex> ActionParsnip: i dont think it would... there are rainbow crackers online like milw0rm you just input the hash and in a day or so its cracked
[22:58] <escott> vortex, just read the link mine is evidently sha512, although to even read the file you have to be a member of root or shadow at which point...
[22:58] <phill> guntbert, alas need to go to supper now...
[22:58] <robinsch> I also upgraded to 11.04 and still the audio isn't working
[22:58] <guntbert> phill: Good luck :-)
[22:58] <vortex> thanks escott
[22:58] <rinkukokiri> vortex, ActionParsnip then theres the offchance it's already been matched...
[22:58] <robinsch> can I reinstall ubuntu to make audio work but keep all the other apps?
[22:59] <phill> guntbert, thanks for the help, will be back
[22:59] <vortex> if i encrtyped the root password in ubuntu with aes-256 would it break it?
[23:00] <rinkukokiri> vortex   root password in ubuntu??
[23:00] <rinkukokiri> what root password
[23:00] <escott> vortex, why are you worried about a rainbow attack? your /etc/shadow contents have to be leaked in the first place
[23:00] <rinkukokiri> !root
[23:00] <robinsch> root password hmm
[23:00] <robinsch> go in recovery mod
[23:01] <vortex> by default root is disable but i enabled my root
[23:01] <ActionParsnip> vortex: enabling root is neither recommended, needed or supported
[23:02] <Alphos> hi people
[23:02] <vortex> its not supported?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> vortex: no
[23:02] <rinkukokiri> not in here
[23:02] <vortex> there was a ubuntu wiki that showed how you enable it
[23:02] <escott> vortex, see man crypt
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> !noroot
[23:02] <Alphos> i've upgraded to 11.04 earlier today, and am having some sort of a problem with firefox : opening a link from another app will indeed load the page (in a new tab), but firefox doesn't come to the front
[23:03] <Somelauw> What is the package called that contains the sqlite3 libs?
[23:03] <rinkukokiri> curious
[23:03] <rinkukokiri> !wfm
[23:03] <rinkukokiri> aah
[23:03] <vortex> hah
[23:03] <Alphos> (eg clicking on a link in thunderbird or xchat)
[23:03] <escott> vortex, according to man crypt your choices do NOT include AES
[23:03] <vortex> thanks escott
[23:03] <escott> vortex, probably because its not a hash
[23:04] <rhin0> i had a problem where I hit a website (british telecom speed test) that crashed my browser -- firefox crashed twice then chrome crashed -- I run a dell inspiron m5010 with a crucial SSD 64gb  -- right after that the pc locked on boot -- now on complete software re-install I get pid 0 Comm swapper tainted -- black screen message right after loggin in -- is my machine wrecked
[23:04] <rhin0> ubuntu 11.04
[23:04] <rhin0> do I try to re-flash the bios?
[23:04] <rhin0> is the SSD wrecked?
[23:04] <Alphos> does anyone know how this could have happened ? any about:config entry i could find is irrelevant, which gets me to believe the system is responsible
[23:05] <mediawork> escott:  this is weird... there is really nothing much happening on my computer except for this irc client..
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> rhin0: can you give the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | grep flash; dpkg -l | grep gnash; dpkg -l | grep swf
[23:05] <rhin0> but it doesn't run
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> rhin0: use a pastebin to host the text
[23:05] <rhin0> can't get in
[23:05] <rhin0> maybe I try to run it off a live disk
[23:05] <mediawork> escott: I have 4 cores... but only two thermistors...
[23:05] <rhin0> thats an idea -- to see if the ssd is a problem
[23:05] <mediawork> escott:   the 77 degree one is like that most of the time... and even goes well above 100 deg C when I am running something heavy...
[23:05] <rhin0> I can't believe that BRITISH TELECOM is hosting websites that crash PCs
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> rhin0: boot to liveCD and you can test the SSD
[23:06] <rhin0> how can I test an ssd?
[23:06] <mediawork> escott:  Im thinking these thermal readings dont make much sense.
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> rhin0: using fsck
[23:06] <rhin0> but I've don a compelte re-install on it twice
[23:06] <rhin0> ok
[23:06] <rhin0> i've never got fsck to work
[23:07] <rhin0> on reboot
[23:07] <rhin0> ok maybe it'll work from live cd
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> rhin0: you can't fsck a mounted partition without causing issues
[23:07] <escott> mediawork, 40 celsius is rather cool. its only 104 fahrenheit
[23:07] <escott> mediawork, that core is probably just turned off
[23:07] <rhin0> if it BOOTS off the live cd it's not running the SSD - so at least that has proved its the machine and not the SSD right?
[23:07] <rhin0> of course
[23:08] <rhin0> thanks very much parsnip of action
[23:08] <mediawork> escott: right ... and sometimes it 32... however the 75 deg one is weird... and going over 100 deg C is like boiling water... cant be right.
[23:08] <mediawork> escott:  Im thinking I should get my CPU replaced. maybe faulty..
[23:09] <Somelauw> What package do I need to install to fix the following error: Unable to find sqlite3 libs on your system, do you have sqlite3 installed?.  Stop.
[23:09] <Somelauw> I already installed sqlite3, but I think I need others too.
[23:10] <vec> tried a searvh on packages.ubuntu.com?
[23:10] <trism> Somelauw: probably libsqlite3-dev if you're compiling something
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> Somelauw: try:  apt-cache search sqlite | grep lib
[23:10] <escott> mediawork, most chips these days come two to a package so having 2 thermistors makes sense
[23:11] <Somelauw> trism: thanks, I installed libsqlite-dev first, but that didn't work. libsqlite3-dev worked.
[23:11] <escott> mediawork, and boiling temps is what these things are rated to handle
[23:11] <mediawork> escott: oh ok... so layered in two sandwitching a databus?
[23:11] <rinkukokiri> sandwitch?
[23:11] <rinkukokiri> nom nom
[23:11] <Somelauw> ActionParsnip: thanks. I already solved it.
[23:12] <mediawork> escott: ehm... I think 75... is considered the temp where my AMD phenom II is supposed to burn out...
[23:12] <trism> Somelauw: yeah they are different libraries (well they have different database formats)
[23:12] <escott> mediawork, i havent seen a phenom structure diagram but thats how the intels are, and its a fairly common design
[23:12] <mediawork> escott: some cooling fan guy told me... I should not read more than 50 or 60 on full load with my heatsink..
[23:13] <dijonyummy123> anyone have virtualbox 4.08 latest sometimes lock up their ubuntu 10.10 when they start a vm recently? i notice this a bit recently not sure why even though i have just enough memory
[23:13] <escott> mediawork, the chip itself should have a kill switch and turn itself off if it gets too hot, but check the technical docs for your chip if you are worried
[23:13] <rinkukokiri> http://www.technibble.com/what-is-my-computers-maximum-cpu-temperature/
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> dijonyummy123: ask in #vbox too :)
[23:14] <dijonyummy123> yes i did
[23:14] <rinkukokiri> mediawork, what's your processor?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> dijonyummy123: cool
[23:14] <ingm> can anyone help with wireless am a newbie
[23:14] <AgentGreen> ?
[23:14] <AgentGreen> what about wireless
[23:15] <dijonyummy123> is there a easy to use chkdsk for linux, that can check ntfs and ext4 partition in case of abrupt shutdown? fsck i dont know how to use, something easier with maybe gui?
[23:15] <ingm> well i have 11.04 and it works with ethernet cable but nothing wireless, it worked with mint 8 no problem
[23:15] <escott> mediawork, its also possible that the scale is off, and you could try running whatever amd temperature utilities there are under windows to compare
[23:15] <AgentGreen> did you enable restricted drivers to allow the wireless card to work?
[23:15] <AgentGreen> sometimes its as simple as that
[23:16] <ingm> how do i do that
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> ingm: what is the output of:   sudo lshw -C network; lsb_release -a
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> ingm: use http://pastebin.com  to host the text
[23:16] <dijonyummy123> how can i make a swap file for my ubuntu? i dont want to make a swap partition
[23:17] <AgentGreen> parsnip doesnt ubuntu by default restrict those?
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> dijonyummy123: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> AgentGreen: restrict what?
[23:18] <rinkukokiri> mediawork, seems my Mobile Core 2 Duo is safe until	100°C
[23:18] <dijonyummy123> thanks ActionParsnip
[23:18] <dijonyummy123> i like xchat tab autocomplete handle-name
[23:18] <rinkukokiri> mediawork, http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/CPU/CPU%20Temperatures.shtml    << more updated list
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> dijonyummy123: many irc clients do it ;)
[23:18] <Maylow> does anyone know how to enable chans 12 and 13 on a broadcom wl adapter?
[23:18] <dijonyummy123> just learned it 5 secs ago
[23:19] <AgentGreen> parsnip: restrict the proprietary wireless drivers?
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> AgentGreen: they are available online annoyingly, but cannot be on the default ISO due to legalities (proprietary firmware etc)
[23:20] <AgentGreen> by enabling them do you think that could help ingm since they did a fresh install apparently?
[23:20] <Maylow> does anyone know how to enable channels 12 and 13 on a broadcom wl adapter?
[23:21] <rinkukokiri> heh amd's suck..
[23:21] <nRy> can someone please help me out and let me know the command for Ubuntu to restart the VNCserver?
[23:22] <debian2_> server irc-hispano.org
[23:22] <rinkukokiri> glad I got a pentium
[23:22] <rinkukokiri> er intel
[23:22] <badpenguin86> I need help enabling two finger right click on a synaptics trackpad
[23:24] <ingm80> what was it i had to type again for the wireless
[23:24] <the_file> is nautilus 3 designed to draw icons on the desktop like the last version?.
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> the_file: is that part of gnome 3 per chance?
[23:25] <ImDexter> i need to manually edit a blue romboidal kind of file, those ones that if clicked will launch an application, I tried text editor, but it wont recognize the encoding, help please
[23:26] <Maylow> does anyone know how to enable channels 12 and 13 on a broadcom wl adapter?
[23:27] <chawka> I need help enabling desktop effects in ubuntu 11.04. when i change something in compizconfig settings nothing changes
[23:27] <escott> Maylow, you will probably have to get some binary firmware appropriate for your country and load that in. don't know how/don't know where/its not on the default install cds or any US servers
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> Maylow: you may need to use iwconfig to set the channel
[23:27] <ingm80> hi have put the paste in pastebin
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> ingm80: ok, copy the address ni the address bar and paste it here
[23:28] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, there's a problem with the broadcom driver - it does not allow channels 12 and 13
[23:28] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, it's something related to the region
[23:28] <ingm80> sorry not used it before where is it?
[23:29] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, 12 and 13 are not allowed in the US
[23:29] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, but are used in Europe
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> Maylow: I see, Wasn't aware of them (UK based here)
[23:29] <ingm80> could send it as a personal message
[23:29] <OerHeks> ingm80, press send and post the url here
[23:30] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, but I could not figure out how to make the driver accept the fact that I'm actually located in Europe
[23:30] <ingm80> http://pastebin.com/twH7DGkX
[23:30] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, none of the recommendations I found in google worked for me
[23:30] <escott> Maylow, my understanding of the broadcom driver is that it loads a binary blob that is cryptographically signed in some fashion that dictates the allowed channels
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> ingm80: ok looks good, if you run:  rfkill list     do you see any devices blocked?
[23:31] <escott> Maylow, you need to find a european version of that file, maybe from the broadcom website?
[23:31] <ingm80> so i type 'rfkill'
[23:32] <Maylow> escott, really? that sounds scary :) I will look into this, thanks
[23:32] <ingm80> this is what i get  http://pastebin.com/EC2pBUAj
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> ingm80: did you run:   rfkill list
[23:33] <escott> Maylow, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#firmware
[23:33] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, do you have channels 12 and 13 allowed on your system?
[23:33] <ingm80> this is what i get            http://pastebin.com/EC2pBUAj
[23:34] <ingm80> opps wrong
[23:34] <ingm80> hang on
[23:35] <ingm80> sorry this is it        http://pastebin.com/GxVsN5C2
[23:35] <ingm80> wireless wan soft blocked ; yes
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Maylow: not sure, I havent messed with it that much
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> ingm80: ok do you have a shortcut key to enable / disable wireless?
[23:36] <ingm80> there is the switch on laptop that i am aware of and that is on
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> ingm80: if so, press it. If not then run:  sudo rfkill unblock all     then you should be able to find wireless networks
[23:38] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, a simple sudo iwlist eth1 channel (your wireless instead of eth1) will list all available channels
[23:38] <kekec> #connect irc.anonops.li
[23:39] <kekec> lol
[23:39] <ingm80> hmmm its not blocked now but nothing coming up
[23:39] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, I'm asking, because if you have 12 and 13, I could ask where did you get your drivers :)
[23:40] <ingm80> i'll reboot it in a bit and see what happens
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> Maylow: i'm not at home to see, i'm at work so I can't check. Sorry
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> Maylow: let me check then
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> Maylow: i am ssh'd to my server
[23:43] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, 10x
[23:44] <ImDexter> how do I edit an executable file?
[23:44] <billy__> can anyone help ive tried installing eternal lands mmorpg through the terminal it didnt fully complete and got stuck now the games there but i cant open it
[23:45] <billy__> it also says when i try to open it dpkg --configure -a
[23:45] <iamaregee> hey i need help with nvidia gt 525m driver installation on dell N5110  machine running lucid.
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> Maylow: this is a mission. I purposefully crippled my wireless as I use wired on it now
[23:46] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, I c
[23:46] <dijonyummy123> if there a way to have linux do fsck on all ext4 partitions at startup instead of doing it all manually
[23:46] <Maylow> ActionParsnip, anyway, 10x :)
[23:46] <escott> dijonyummy, see man fstab
[23:46] <iamaregee> there is no sound and wireless is also not working .. : (
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> Maylow: brb
[23:47] <talbert> what's the command to enable/disable the wireless card?
[23:48] <billy__> can anyone help ive tried installing eternal lands mmorpg through the terminal it didnt fully complete and got stuck now the games there but i cant open it, it just says dpkg --configure -a but when i try to run that it says i need to be a super-user
[23:48] <antivirtel> Hi! Please help me, answer my question: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14841/fail2ban-block-with-iptables-doesnt-work-on-debian-lenny !
[23:49] <talbert> is it simply 'ifconfig wlan0 down'
[23:49] <dijonyummy123>  anyone have problem installing tweetdeck desktop from website under win7 guest under ubuntu? i click install button on website and it just says installing but does nothing. been like this for a week now.
[23:49] <KM0201> billy__: are you using ubuntu?
[23:50] <billy__> KM0201, yep the newest install
[23:50] <escott> talbert, that takes down the network interface
[23:50] <KM0201> billy__: well, try putting "sudo" in front of that command, and see what happens
[23:50] <escott> talbert, if your intent is to reduce power consumption you might try removing the kernel module
[23:51]  * antivirtel is away: ~
[23:51] <freeeky> hi
[23:51] <billy__> KM0201, ive tried that but it says another application is using it it also says that dpkg is being used when i try to purge remove the game
[23:52] <KM0201> billy__: you ahve another application that is occupying root then, you need to find it and kill it (assuming you don't know what it is to just close it)
[23:52] <billy__> escott, the best way to reduce power consumption is to use your pc less
[23:52] <Airris> So um... it looks like I either didn't use checkinstall to install this thing from source, or somehow the package information got lost. How do i go about manually removing something?
[23:53] <dijonyummy123> escott: i see thanks, should i mark ntfs filesystems with 2 in fstab or is it dangerous for linux to check ntfs
[23:53] <escott> dijonyummy123, linux cannot fsck ntfs
[23:53] <dijonyummy123> i see thanks
[23:54] <billy__> KM0201, i just got a system message saying it couldnnt install the game then ran purge remove again and it couldnt find the file
[23:54] <billy__> KM0201, thanks for the help
[23:55] <talbert> escott, what about 'iwconfig' instead? i'm asking because i'm not sure if i'll mess something up doing this.
[23:57] <escott> talbert, i dont see anything in iwconfig to turn off the card, why do you want to do this again?
[23:58] <Maylow> escott, one good reason would be to save power, when you're not using it?
[23:58] <talbert> i'm working on a router hack and need to shut down the wireless card to make sure there is no traffic. it's really not important. just a learning exercise.
[23:59] <Johhnnyyy_B> Uh
[23:59] <Johhnnyyy_B> Hey?
[23:59] <rinkukokiri> command to check my cpu temp?
[23:59] <talbert> Johhnnyyy_B, is there something we can help you with?
[23:59] <Johhnnyyy_B> My friend told me about this program, ubluntu, so like... I get the file, but it wont install?


[01:41] <jk-> hi all. just trying to grab the downloader from https://one.ubuntu.com/shutdown/ , but the .tar.gz link just redirects to that page :/ is this a temporary outage?
[01:42] <jk-> s/to that page/back to that page/.
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Dump The Pump Day! :-D
[09:45] <davmor2> JamesTait: that's sound so wrong
[10:25] <JamesTait> davmor2, only to your sick mind. ;)
[19:12] <rye> it's been a while
[19:30] <dobey> hi rye
[19:34] <rye> dobey: hi, ubuntuone-client hangs with Tritcask error and http certificate failure caused by invalid utf-8 filename in /tmp
[19:34]  * rye got overexcited writing that
[19:36] <dobey> rye: on what ubuntu?
[19:36] <rye> in fact, I am searching for a way to recover my 2fa, apparently I was able to wipe my phone while it was in my pocket and I can't find my Ubuntu paper account..
[19:36] <rye> dobey: 10.04
[19:36] <dobey> 10.04 is unsupported :)
[19:38] <rye> also my weather applet crashed
[19:38] <rye> so i will file a bug to ubuntuone
[19:38] <rye> eh, good times
[19:38] <dobey> heh
[19:40]  * rye goes to #isd, since that's what the docs say
[19:40] <rye> hm
[19:40] <rye> You can reach ISD in the #isd channel on IRC, or IS in the #is channel, or phone the IS emergency helpline.
[19:42] <rye> This seems to be copied directly from internal wiki - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSO/FAQs/2FA :)
[19:45] <dobey> no idea
[20:04] <pmjdebruijn> hey
[20:04] <pmjdebruijn> http://ubuntuone.com/u1-downloader/u1-downloader.tar.gz link seems broken
[20:04] <pmjdebruijn> oh
[20:04] <pmjdebruijn> it's not
[20:04] <pmjdebruijn> https-everywhere breaks it, because it's only available on http and not https
[20:28] <pmjdebruijn> so you might want to mirror the download to https too, since https-everywhere has it's fair share of users :)
[20:29] <pmjdebruijn> other than that
[20:29] <pmjdebruijn> u1-downloader seems to be working well
[20:29] <pmjdebruijn> thanks for that


[19:51] <philipballew> pleia2, enjoy your flight this evening!
[19:51] <pleia2> philipballew: thanks :)
[23:24] <philipballew> bkerensa, What is the area of St. Johns in Portland like?
[23:25] <bkerensa> philipballew: do not go there
[23:25] <philipballew> bkerensa, http://www.yelp.com/biz/taqueria-portland-portland
[23:25] <darthrobot> [403] Title: [403 Forbidden]
[23:25] <bkerensa> philipballew: a mix of industrial, gang areas and other bad stuff
[23:25] <bkerensa> its also far out
[23:25] <bkerensa> its like half an hour
[23:25] <bkerensa> and has bad transit access
[23:27] <bkerensa> yeah dont go there
[23:27] <bkerensa> ;)
[23:27] <bkerensa> If you want good mexican for Portland
[23:27] <bkerensa> Don Pedros or Muchas Gracias is decent by portland standards
[23:27] <bkerensa> there are some taco carts at 103rd and Stark that are good
[23:27] <bkerensa> two tacos for $1
[23:28] <bkerensa> philipballew: you should go to the Waffle Window in Hawthorne
[23:28] <bkerensa> or go to Cheese & Crack
[23:28] <bkerensa> or Grilled Cheese Grill
[23:28] <philipballew> bkerensa, You're talking to someone who just got back from living in Mexico City.
[23:28] <bkerensa> heh
[23:28] <bkerensa> this makes Mexico City look nice
[23:28] <philipballew> http://portlandburritojunkie.blogspot.com/2013/05/taqueria-portland.html
[23:28] <darthrobot> Title: [Burrito Junkie: Taqueria Portland]
[23:29] <bkerensa> philipballew: I will take u places
[23:29] <bkerensa> but not North Portland
[23:29] <bkerensa> ;)
[23:29] <bkerensa> not for all the tea in china
[23:29] <philipballew> Alright, I guess you do not have to come then.
[23:32] <philipballew> bkerensa, I desire hella dank mexican food. It's kinda a problem.
[23:35] <bkerensa> I know a place that makes very dank mexican food and hot sauce so warm it will make you collapse
[23:35] <bkerensa> :)
[23:35] <bkerensa> $5 tortas even
[23:38] <philipballew> I had a torta everyday in d.f. that was really nice.
[23:38] <philipballew> American tortas just do not taste the same anymore :(
[23:41] <bkerensa> oh these tortas are made by mexicans
[23:41] <bkerensa> not Mexican-Americans either
[23:41] <bkerensa> ;)


[09:01] <popey> hullo.
[09:01] <ikonia> hello popey
[09:01] <popey> is it possible for someone on the irccouncil to grant me ops in #ubuntu-app-devel
[09:02] <popey> because i need to change the topic and only irccouncil and jono have access
[09:02] <ikonia> popey: is the channel getting busy now ?
[09:02] <popey> and he is getting beauty sleep
[09:02] <popey> a bit busier, but we are using it for some specific events over the next 2 weeks
[09:02] <popey> and we get people turning up and wondering what's going on, so want to set some appropriate things in the topic
[09:03] <popey> not moderation or anything, just informational
[09:03] <ikonia> no no, just wondered if it had picked up in terms of interest
[09:04] <popey> i guess ☻
[09:19] <AlanBell> morning popey
[09:19] <popey> hello
[09:20] <AlanBell> you should have op access now
[09:22] <popey> thank you
[09:22] <popey> oops, i wasn't identified
[09:22] <popey> naughty AlanBell ! :D
[09:23] <AlanBell> well I gave ops to the identified popey, even if it was an imposter asking me to do so :)
[09:24] <popey> ☻
[12:16] <Myrtti> ikonia: your slip is still showing
[12:17] <ikonia> do we have chanserv back then
[12:17] <ikonia> I see we do
[12:17] <ikonia> thank you
[12:17] <Myrtti> yes, last night
[17:24] <bazhang> gnomon] (~smuxi@ip98-164-211-84.oc.oc.cox.net): gnomon    troll detected
[17:54] <IdleOne> what is leoquant on about?
[17:55] <Pici> something about banning and quieting.  He just thought something was #ubuntu policy, but I couldn't make heads or tails about what exactly it was. I don't really care either.
[17:57] <bazhang> he wondered whether ubuntu ops +q more than +b as freenode staff are wont to do
[17:57] <IdleOne> I see. Nothing important then.
[18:04] <genii> IdleOne: Couldn't resist, sorry.
[18:05] <IdleOne> neither could I
[18:05] <IdleOne> hehe
[18:05] <bazhang> bwhahaha
[18:05] <bazhang> !opabuse
[18:06] <bazhang> ubottu, random yourock Irock
[18:06] <bazhang> :|
[18:09] <IdleOne> bot doesn't lie
[18:09] <bazhang> we need a gangnam factoid
[18:09] <genii> Maybe for -ot
[18:10] <bazhang> yep
[18:32] <bazhang> ksplice is for kernels not websites
[18:33] <genii> Ah, yes, perhaps misinterpreted the question.
[18:37] <bazhang> we now have an accurate measurement of patience: 120 seconds
[19:52]  * genii swats at his crappy router
[19:53] <k1l> genii: at least your router works better than freenode ;p
[19:53] <genii> I'm not so sure lately


[02:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm running the Lubuntu Alternate test cases now then afterwards I'll confirm bugs for Beta 1 next week, besides the bugs, do you need anything checked? A specific bug I won't find on the release notes or the tracker?
[05:07] <Afdal_> So...  Has anyone considered making a right-click -> XDG applications menu through Openbox a default configuration with Lubuntu?
[05:08] <Afdal_> The only extra thing needed is openbox-xdgmenu in order to generate the applications list on the fly as a pipe menu
[05:08] <ianorlin> Afdal_: it is quite easy to get press desktop prefences and advanced after installing that maybe?
[05:09] <Afdal_> Eh...  It's a little tricker to setup than that
[05:09] <ianorlin> might have to change menu in openbox config ?
[05:09] <ianorlin> or what the menu opened?
[05:10] <Afdal_> You have to edit the openbox menu.xml and add a line for a pipe menu defined by "openbox-xdgmenu /etc/xdg/menus/lxde-applications.menu"
[05:10] <Afdal_> This works really nice once done :)
[05:10] <ianorlin> might need to be added in lubuntu-default settings
[05:11] <ianorlin> ah that hopefully won't increase iso size
[05:11] <Afdal_> the extra component needed is the openbox-xdgmenu package, but it's really small
[05:12] <ianorlin> !info openbox-xdgmenu
[05:12] <ianorlin> !info openbox-xdgmenu trusty
[05:12] <Afdal_> D:>
[05:12] <Afdal_> oh yeah lol
[05:12] <Afdal_> 6 KB :)
[05:12] <ianorlin> but not in xenial :(
[05:13] <Afdal_> :(
[05:13] <Afdal_> Well, just a suggestion
[05:14] <Afdal_> I think this would be a great addition to put Lubuntu closer to parity with Xubuntu
[05:15] <Afdal_> I guess a consideration might be whether or not such a script being run every time the right-click menu is generated significantly impacts battery life or not
[05:15] <Afdal_> since that is a focus of Lubuntu and all :)
[05:15] <ianorlin> I don't think that much battery would drain
[05:16] <ianorlin> from that
[05:16] <ianorlin> not compared to a ads on webbrowser
[05:16] <Afdal_> Really if nothing else I think the default Openbox menu.xml could use some extra love
[05:16] <Afdal_> It's a little too... basic
[05:17] <ianorlin> yeah I know I fixed a bug in an icon was not appearing
[05:17] <ianorlin> !info lubuntu-defualt-settings
[05:17] <ianorlin> !info lubuntu-default-settings
[05:17] <ianorlin> that is the package for this sort of thing sometimes it can be a simple fix
[05:18] <Afdal_> One other thing I've been interested in but I don't know myself is whether or not you can pipe PCManFM commands into Openbox menus
[05:18] <Afdal_> Because if that is possible you could conceivably replace the PCManFM right-click desktop menu entirely with Openbox
[05:19] <ianorlin> like a random wallpaper button on the menu
[05:19] <Afdal_> and the basic folder options
[05:19] <Afdal_> organize icons
[05:19] <Afdal_> etc
[05:19] <ianorlin> I am not sure how to do the organize icons
[05:19] <Afdal_> err
[05:19] <Afdal_> "Sort files"
[05:19] <Afdal_> "Select All"
[05:20] <Afdal_> etc
[05:20] <Afdal_> if there was a way to pipe those into Openbox you could recreate the whole thing with an Openbox menu...  And add more functionality too :)
[05:21] <ianorlin> easiest way is to have pcmanfm --desktop-pref in the menu
[05:21] <ianorlin> which opens the normal right click menu
[05:21] <ianorlin> I can see you to set a wallpaper with the menu with the pcmanfm -w option
[05:22] <ianorlin> might need something to choose the file not sure how to do that off the top of my head
[05:23] <Afdal_> --desktop-pref is supposed to open the normal right click menu?
[05:23] <Afdal_> I just starts up the Desktop Preferences gui for me
[05:23] <ianorlin> oops I don't use any of the other right click options ever sorry
[05:27] <ianorlin> well you could maybe use commands in the openbox menu to edit the config file for ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu and set that using the menu but that is not as trivial
[05:28] <Afdal_> :o
[05:28] <ianorlin> Afdal_: are you opening the file in vim
[05:28] <Afdal_> What's vim :)?
[05:29] <Afdal_> and what file
[05:29] <ianorlin> vim is a text editor
[05:29] <Afdal_> oh I'm just using leafpad
[05:29] <Afdal_> to check out my .xmls
[05:29] <ianorlin> your home folder .config/pcmanfm/lubuntu
[05:29] <ianorlin> vim is a bit hard to learn
[05:30] <Afdal_> desktop-items-0.conf?
[05:30] <ianorlin> yes
[05:30] <ianorlin> that ends up being the config file
[05:30] <Afdal_> I don't see any settings for icon alignment in this
[05:31] <Afdal_> which is what you'll need to get at to replicate the "sort by" functionality
[05:31] <ianorlin> there is a line called sort=
[05:32] <Afdal_> oh aha
[05:34] <Afdal_> What is "Invert Selection" even supposed to do on the PCManFM desktop?
[05:34] <Afdal_> I never use that thingy
[05:34] <ianorlin> leafpad is not really the best for editing xml though as it is hard to tell if you close all of the tags and stuff but it can do for like copying an irc channel
[05:34] <ianorlin> invert selection means select everything but what you have selected
[05:34] <Afdal_> oh right
[05:35] <Afdal_> that actually doesn't seem to even work properly on the desktop
[05:35] <Afdal_> on 14.04 anyway
[05:35] <Afdal_> yeah nope
[05:35] <Afdal_> So there's one command that doesn't need to be replicated
[05:35] <Afdal_> unless you want it to work properly :)
[05:36] <Afdal_> unlike within a folder, if you click outside an icon on the desktop it just unhighlights everything
[05:36] <Afdal_> rendering the command moot
[05:36] <Afdal_> or if you try to ctrl-click it doesn't work anyway
[05:37] <Afdal_> So what about replicating the Create New menu :o
[05:38] <ianorlin> Afdal_: that seems to be a pcmanfm bug
[05:39] <ianorlin> with invert selection
[05:39] <Afdal_> ah
[05:41] <Afdal_> need to add a refresh contents command after editing the .conf file for that hacky solution to work
[05:42] <Afdal_> is there a command like that for pcmanfm
[05:45] <ianorlin> I see a command to turn desktop manage mant off and on again which is basically a restart in the man page for pcmanfm
[05:45] <ianorlin> which a lot of the things I have talked about can be found by opening a terminal and running in man pcmanfm
[05:45] <Afdal_> yeah I've been going through that too
[05:45] <Afdal_> That could work I guess
[05:45] <Afdal_> --desktop-off and then --desktop
[05:45] <Afdal_> ?
[05:46] <ianorlin> normaly it uses --profile --lubuntu when you start it with desktop for the default profile
[05:48] <Afdal_> --desktop-off and then --desktop  does work actually
[05:49] <Afdal_> sorta
[05:49] <Afdal_> it flickers my Xubuntu wallpaper for some reason
[05:49] <ianorlin> yeah well profile will tell it to load the correct profile
[05:49] <Afdal_> the login manager wallpaper, rather*
[05:50] <ianorlin> Afdal_: I would add --profile lubuntu as that would tell it to load the file
[05:50] <Afdal_> if you just run the command "pcmanfm --profile=lubuntu" it'll open up a new windowed instance of PCManFM
[05:50] <Afdal_> rather than refresh the desktop
[05:51] <ianorlin> no I mean pcmanfm --desktop --profile lubuntu to turn it back on again
[05:53] <Afdal_> doesn't seem like there's any need for the --profile=lubuntu bit
[05:53] <Afdal_> you still have to run pcmanfam --desktop-off first
[05:53] <Afdal_> and then --desktop again to restart it
[05:53] <ianorlin>  yep
[05:54] <Afdal_> hmmph, and I can't seem to get that to work anyway :(
[05:55] <Afdal_> executing "pcmanfm --desktop-off; pcmanfm --desktop" from an openbox menu item
[05:55] <ianorlin> Afdal_: you do have the link to the openbox wiki right
[05:55] <Afdal_> yep
[05:56] <Afdal_> if I run that command in terminal it does the trick
[05:56] <Afdal_> but it doesn't seem to work in menu for some reason
[05:56] <Afdal_> oh I'm doing something wrong here
[05:57] <Afdal_> pcmanfm --desktop-off doesn't even work on its own
[05:57] <Afdal_> no wait forget that, yes it does
[05:57] <Afdal_> I just can't seem to run the two commands one after another
[05:59] <Afdal_> Maybe openbox just doesn't let you execute two commands like that
[05:59] <Afdal_> would be a shame if so
[06:00] <Afdal_> well conceivably you could get around that limitation by piping in a set of instructions from a script I guess
[06:00] <Afdal_> that's getting extra hacky though
[06:02] <ianorlin> Afdal_: you need to run openbox --reconfigure
[06:03] <Afdal_> to refresh the desktop?
[06:03] <ianorlin> no to get openbox to open the new config and menu
[06:03] <Afdal_> oh yeah I was forgetting to do that earlier :3
[06:03] <Afdal_> but what I said up above still holds
[06:04] <Afdal_> can't seem to get it to run one command after another from a single menu item
[06:04] <ianorlin> as otherwise it has the old config in ram which makes the window manager faster
[06:09] <Afdal_> aha bingo :)  http://www.jasoncavett.com/blog/multiple-commands-in-openbox-menu/
[06:10] <phillw> Afdal_: may I ask a favour?
[06:10] <Afdal_> Maybe...
[06:11] <phillw> okay, well let me know when you decide that I may ask :)
[06:11] <Afdal_> go ahead :)
[06:12] <phillw> Afdal_: would you write up what you have done and what you needed to do? That way, others who follow in your footsteps do not have to start from base camp :)
[06:12] <Afdal_> heh
[06:12] <Afdal_> which parts
[06:13] <phillw> Afdal_: a story starts at the beginning....
[06:13] <Afdal_> yeah I can do that
[06:13] <Afdal_> want me to just pastebin it or whatever
[06:14] <Afdal_> the big thing is adding an XDG applications menu to the Openbox menu options
[06:14] <Afdal_> which is actually not too complicated
[06:14] <phillw> do not worry about syntax, spelling etc... write it up and either pastebin it, or send it to me .... phillw@phillw,net
[06:14] <phillw><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:14] <Afdal_> Now I'm trying to replicate all of PCManFM's functionality on the desktop
[06:14] <phillw> damn that comma!!!!
[06:15] <Afdal_> you could even add this as an option in Desktop Preferences if you wanted to keep it optional
[06:16] <Afdal_> just change the write to openbox's menu.xml
[06:16] <phillw> Afdal_: please write it up. lubuntu  does listen to people :)
[06:17] <Afdal_> :3
[06:17] <Afdal_> Sure thing
[06:17] <Afdal_> I'll organize this stuff more later and send it to you
[06:20] <phillw> Afdal_: thanks.
[06:22] <Afdal_> there is a slight problem with generating xdg applications from a menu though
[06:22] <Afdal_> I'm not sure if you can set menu item icons with it
[06:22] <Afdal_> still better than nothing though
[06:23] <Afdal_> generating it from a pipe menu, I mean
[06:23] <ianorlin> Afdal_: you would have to create the .desktop file
[06:23] <Afdal_> see normally if you just set static entries you can designate an icon for each one in openbox
[06:24] <Afdal_> This all comes down to openbox-xdgmenu's behavior in generating it
[06:24] <ianorlin> Afdal_: you could make a menu item that sets it back to normal mode and then a keybding to get the openbox menu back I am pretty sure
[06:24] <Afdal_> I bet this functionality could be added to it pretty easily
[06:26] <Afdal_> add to openbox-xdgmenu, I mean
[06:26] <Afdal_> I'm no expert programmer but this might even be something I could do :o
[06:26] <ianorlin> Afdal_: we all have to start somewhere
[06:28] <Afdal_> Well I know how to program, just mostly basic OOP stuff ;)
[06:28] <ianorlin> Afdal_: you might be more help to LXQt and stuff for 16.10 as that is C++
[06:48] <ianorlin> Afdal_: next release is 16.04 about to enter beta so mainly bug fixes
[06:51] <Afdal> meaning what
[06:51] <Afdal> should I hop on this if I want a chance at it getting into the LTS?
[06:52] <Afdal> would be a pretty nice feature to include in the next LTS ;)
[06:53] <ianorlin> maybe and even then it might need a little bit of tweaking but I do see it as an improvement yes
[06:59] <ianorlin> wxl would know more about getting stuff in than me
[07:08] <phillw> Afdal freeze for 16.04 has just passed. Feature requests will now queue up for 16.10
[07:33] <Afdal> too bad :o
[07:41] <ianorlin> !info libfm
[07:43] <ianorlin> !info libfm
[07:43] <ianorlin> !info libfm4
[07:46] <ianorlin> wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libfm/+bug/1363555  this seems to ask to merge an older version than currently in repos and this was for a feature freze exception for utopic so should this be marked as invalid
[09:48] <LStranger> Good morning.
[09:50] <LStranger> Read your conversation... I thought about adding a line into PCManFM desktop menu which brings WM desktop menu. And I have that in the TODO for 1.3. :)
[10:34] <LStranger> Will push libfm 1.2.4-1 into sid in a moment.
[11:03] <LStranger> uploaded both libfm and pcmanfm
[15:18]  * LStranger uploaded all updated packages to sid... will appear there shortly (some already)...
[15:18] <LStranger> now it's your turn to update them for LTS :)
[16:42] <LStranger> I wonder if anyone looks at LP bugtracker at all... There are a lot of bugs for PCManFM which deserve to be forwarded to the upstream bugtracker.
[16:43] <LStranger> If I saw them earlier then surely some of them would be fixed prior I released the 1.2.4 yesterday.
[16:45] <LStranger> As a DM I definitely look into Debian BTS but those who are in charge of Lubuntu should do something with those bugs and users I believe. :)
[16:46] <LStranger> I'm sorry if that looks like I wanted to offend someone, I just want users get better experience so make SW bug-free.
[17:26] <LStranger> BTW, LP doesn't allow to add a link to the pcmanfm bugtracker @SF.
[17:26] <wxl> LStranger: yep, known bug. switch to github. problem solved :)
[17:26] <LStranger> it says: Launchpad does not recognize the bug tracker at this URL.
[17:27] <LStranger> hehe :)
[17:27] <LStranger> drop all existing bugs isn't an option, I'm sorry
[17:27] <wxl> i know i know :)
[17:27] <wxl> that's actually a long running bug in launchpad
[17:28] <wxl> there's a bug report laying around somewhere if you wanted to confirm it but it seems everyone knows
[17:28] <LStranger> especially since github is not a tracker but rather whiteboard with all that poor functionality
[17:28] <wxl> and very very very few projects use sourceforge
[17:28] <wxl> so it's on the wishlist as far as i can tell
[17:29] <LStranger> unfortunately our attempt to create own tracker died as nobody was interested except me
[17:29] <wxl> on some known system or something you set up yourself?
[17:30] <LStranger> the idea was to setup own
[17:30] <wxl> yeah that might have been the reason
[17:31] <LStranger> I even volunteered to make some import script to pull data from SF
[17:31] <LStranger> but still nobody interested
[18:12] <ianorlin> Yeah I know it is hard to find where one is and I don't think I have a sourceforge as well
[18:13] <ianorlin> LStranger: I think you should say active projects but I don't really have an option for sourceforge
[18:16] <LStranger> ianorlin: well, in historic reasons all LXDE trackers are at SF, and just ignore all those tickets there isn't an option.
[18:16] <LStranger> if you start to ignore users then users start to ignore you.
[18:18] <ianorlin> I understand
[18:18] <LStranger> so only option would be to import/export all the tickets but I see no possibility to do that for any "free" site.
[18:26] <ianorlin> manually would take a while but might be possible but not really quite sure how to get replies
[18:29] <LStranger> Well, tickets and comments could be copied but in case of github all of them will be from a single user (who initiated that adding), I see no reason for that anyway, users will never get any feedback as they will be never mentioned at all.
[18:30] <LStranger> Therefore any migration attempt is pointless, it's the same as just abandon tracker and reporters.
[18:32] <LStranger> So tracker migration is a great headache, it's why it's still @ SF.
[18:34] <ianorlin> understandable
[19:00] <ianorlin> LStranger: I think I found the problem with bug 1344817 is that the default settings for lubuntu seem to using %s
[19:09] <LStranger> No, %s should be not a problem, the issue was lxterminal not always accepted command correctly
[19:10] <LStranger> The developer worked with that issue, I hope it is fixed now.
[19:12] <ianorlin> should I try again with libfm 1.2.4 when it comes?
[19:32] <LStranger> sure, why not
[19:36] <LStranger> although if you telling about 1344817 then it is really about lxterminal, and nothing was changed in terminal support between 1.2.3 and 1.2.4
 Read your conversation... I thought about adding a line into PCManFM desktop menu which brings WM desktop menu. And I have that in the TODO for 1.3. :)
[19:49] <Afdal> So...
[19:49] <Afdal> how might that work
[19:49] <Afdal> concatenating a PCManFM menu with Openbox components?
[19:49] <Afdal> or piping in an Openbox menu which itself pipes in some PCManFM commands?
[19:50] <Afdal> (particularly "Sort by...")
[19:50] <LStranger> Well, not concatenate, but you just can press 'Open WM menu' and your pcmanfm menu will be replaced with openbox one.
[19:50] <Afdal> I:>
[19:51] <ianorlin> LStranger: Afdal was talking about putting the pcmanfm commands in the openbox menu
[19:51] <Afdal> so you right-click to get the PCManFM menu and then there's an item which says "Open WM menu" and you click that and it does what?
[19:51] <Afdal> it opens another submenu which is the Openbox menu?
[19:51] <Afdal> yeah that's what I think would work best
[19:52] <Afdal> I dunno if you can pipe in the PCManFM commands or not though
[19:52] <LStranger> yep, exactly what I planned to make in 1.3
[19:52] <Afdal> hmm
[19:52] <Afdal> I guess that would work
[19:52] <Afdal> if you could replace it all with a single Openbox menu it would be a bit more elegant though :)
[19:53] <LStranger> although I will not work on 1.3 until I make lxpanel 1.0 which requires a lot of work yet
[19:53] <LStranger> I want lxpanel to be so much powerful as kicker once was
[19:53] <Afdal> hey speakign of lxpanel
[19:53] <Afdal> I read about some nice weather plugin for it that was developed a while back
[19:53] <Afdal> Anyone know what I'm talking about?  What ever happened to that?
[19:54] <ianorlin> Afdal: I think it is only in newer versions of lubuntu
[19:54] <phillw> Afdalit is alive and well in 16.04 :)
[19:54] <Afdal> oh nice :3
[19:54] <LStranger> yeah, one nice Polish guy made it long time ago
[19:56] <Afdal> if you're looking for new panel ideas there's this snazzy thing xfce-panel has that lets you add a titlebar and buttons for the current window:  http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-windowck-plugin
[19:57] <Afdal> you could combine that with Openbox's easy method of remove titlebars when maximized
[19:58] <Afdal> or maybe there isn't such an easy method
[19:58] <ianorlin> Afdal: that might need to be merged to opebox as openbox draws the titlebars
[19:58] <Afdal> thought it was an option in obconf
[19:58] <Afdal> guess not
[19:59] <ianorlin> Afdal: obconf is a gui frontend for the openbox config file
[19:59] <Afdal> yeah
[19:59] <Afdal> if it's an option you'll have to drudge through the .xml -_-
[19:59] <ianorlin> I mean I don't think it is an option in the xml
[20:00] <ianorlin> also you can't have window buttons on both sides with openbox
[20:00] <ianorlin> even with the xml
[20:01] <Afdal> anyway...  So do you know a lot about pcmanfm LStranger?
[20:01] <Afdal> Do you have any idea how one might pipe internal commands from it to something else?
[20:01] <Afdal> if such a thing is possible
[20:01] <ianorlin> I wonder if what Afdal wants to do would be easier with a command line front end to the library for libfm
[20:02] <Afdal> :o
[20:02] <LStranger> Afdal, it's me who write it last years :D
[20:02] <Afdal> :D
[20:03] <Afdal> factorization machine library eh
[20:04] <LStranger> and since 2014 I work on lxpanel as well, I've improved a lot in it, and will continue.
[20:04] <Afdal> thanks for your hard work :)
[20:05] <Afdal> does libfm actually have anything explicitly to do with file management
[20:05] <Afdal> I'm looking at the right thing here right?  http://www.libfm.org/
[20:05] <Afdal> "The alternating least-squares (ALS) optimization for regression task..."
[20:05] <LStranger> and speaking about pcmanfm it has no 'commands' as such, it's file manager after all and it works with files.
[20:05] <Afdal> This sounds like a statistical functions library
[20:06] <Afdal> sorry, meant function :)
[20:06] <Afdal> whatever runs when you right click and select Sort By -> Name for instance
[20:07] <LStranger> libfm is core of pcmanfm, the pcmanfm itself is just a tabbed container for libfm widgets, configuration window, and a desktop manager.
[20:08] <LStranger> everything what is done by pcmanfm in its window is actually done by libfm.
[20:08] <LStranger> as well as most of functions on the desktop
[20:10] <Afdal> I see :o
[20:11] <LStranger> and lxpanel since 0.7.0 for all file operations also uses libfm (that includes applications buttons, of course, so now you can have folders and documents on launch, not just applications)
[20:11] <Afdal> can you run libfm processes independently or do they have to be integrated in something?
[20:12] <LStranger> libfm is a library, it is not a process
[20:12] <Afdal> I mean
[20:12] <LStranger> each process just uses library
[20:12] <Afdal> code within the library :)
[20:12] <Afdal> am I being a dingus
[20:13] <LStranger> from any application you can use libfm functions if you meant that
[20:14] <Afdal> so could I pipe them to an Openbox menu for instance :3?
[20:14] <LStranger> nope
[20:14] <Afdal> oh :(
[20:14] <LStranger> libfm is not an application as I said
[20:14] <LStranger> so you cannot start it
[20:15] <Afdal> yeah okay I get it now
[20:15] <LStranger> you can start an application, not a library
[20:15] <Afdal> So someone would need to write a little program from it
[20:15] <LStranger> yep
[20:15] <Afdal> in order to call up some actions from a menu
[20:15] <Afdal> What are most things in lxde written in
[20:16] <LStranger> core components are file/desktop manager and panel, all other are small utilities
[20:16] <Afdal> I mean the language
[20:16] <LStranger> C
[20:17] <LStranger> all is written in C except for lxsession - it's mostly in Vala
[20:17] <Unit193> Special cookie.
[20:17] <LStranger> :)
[20:17] <Afdal> If I were to write something simple like I'm proposing...  Is C a hard language to learn if I mostly just have experience with OOP stuff?
[20:18] <Afdal> I least I think it's simple
[20:18] <Afdal> maybe it isn't
[20:19] <LStranger> Well, GTK+ is OOP framework written in C.
[20:19] <Afdal> lxde uses GTK+ dependencies for a lot of things already right
[20:20] <LStranger> And everything in LXDE is written using GTK+
[20:20] <Afdal> oh :o
[20:20] <Afdal> but you said C earlier @_@
[20:21] <Afdal> okay well I bet gtk is easy enough to learn
[20:21] <LStranger> Yeah, it's C.
[20:21] <Afdal> oh is gtk basically a bunch of C libraries
[20:22] <Afdal> whatever, I think I get it >.>
[20:22] <LStranger> Yeah, kind of. It uses OOP paradigm but calls are C type.
[20:27] <LStranger> Good night everyone!
[22:17] <Afdal> So...  Have any of you given thought to expand the default keyboard shortcuts before?
[22:19] <Afdal> a couple shortcuts I think are super useful that aren't set at all are AddDesktop and RemoveDesktop
[22:19] <Afdal> You can add or remove the last workspace in your list with those
[22:20] <Afdal> great for only adding workspaces as you need them
[22:20] <Afdal> I map mine to Alt+Insert/Delete since that's what Xfce uses by default for the same function
[22:21] <Afdal> pretty handy ;3