[11:47] <flaccid> i need some weed myself
[11:47] <buck> wit there may be a videom
[11:48] <buck> oh damn .. looks like for windows .. maybe i will go to my windows system
[11:48] <dromer> flaccid: should I install the suggested packages afterwards?
[11:48] <buck> have you guys ever nocied that .. its a linux box .. but a windows system
[11:48] <buck> hahahha
[11:48] <flaccid> buck: your problem is a psx emulator?
[11:48] <dromer> hmm, I still have a bigass joint lying .. but I'd better not smoke during this week, gotta study for my exams ;)
[11:48] <buck> well the psx2 emu
[11:49] <flaccid> dromer: id install them first, then log out, then reload the kernel mod, then restart X. negating the need for reboot
[11:49] <buck> now my cmputer wants the flash player .. which i already installed .. grrr
[11:49] <flaccid> dromer: much more disciplined than me
[11:49] <dromer> flaccid: what I mean is: the apt install has some suggested packages .. shall I install those as well?
[11:49] <flaccid> flash needs to be set up on per-application basis
[11:49] <buck> should i just do a new kernal config
[11:50] <flaccid> dromer: negative
[11:50] <dromer> ok
[11:50] <flaccid> dromer: it will probably suggest source or something, nothing that you need..
[11:50] <dromer> wel it's suggesting nvidia-settings .. but it didn't get removed in the first place :P
[11:50] <dromer> avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.20-15 nvidia-settings nvidia-new-kernel-source
[11:51] <dromer> gah, my video-card has a 2nd DVI-output .. and I haven't gotten it to work .. maybe I'll work on that later ;)
[11:51] <dromer> so .. no I first log-out is what you say?
[11:51] <dromer> now*
[11:51] <dromer> why is that?
[11:52] <dromer> or do I just do the: sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia
[11:53] <flaccid> soz
[11:54] <flaccid> suggestions are only suggestions. they are additional packages that are optional
[11:54] <dromer> soz?
[11:54] <flaccid> sorry soz = sorry
[11:54] <dromer> ok :)
[11:54] <flaccid> nvidia-settings can be handy, but as usual manual conf is usually required of xorg.conf
[11:54] <dromer> but, you said I should log-out first? why is that? or can I do the rmmod and modprobe just now?
[11:55] <buck> grrrr ..
[11:55] <flaccid> dromer: i'd recommend logging out first. otherwise X will try to use nvidia mod while its loaded..
[11:56] <dromer> flaccid: so do I do the rmmod and modprobe from the terminal?
[11:56] <dromer> flaccid: sorry, I just don't really understand what you mean with the log-out ;)
[11:56] <flaccid> yep from a tty
[11:56] <dromer> ok :)
[11:57] <dromer> brb
[11:57] <flaccid> ctrl+alt+f2
[11:57] <aldin> Lynoure, i though u might wanna try to compile this to see what is the catch... but in meantime i got it configured
[11:57] <flaccid> then go back to ctr+alt+f7 and select restart X
[11:57] <aldin> installed automake and autoconf in my $HOME
[11:58] <buck> okay .. i think i may have it in this guide here http://lulug.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/guides-xxihow-install-pcsx2-emulator-sony-playstation-2-on-gnulinux-ubuntu-os/
[11:58] <maverick> !automake
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <mrksbrd> does anyone know the sudo apt-get install command for java?????????
[11:58] <flaccid> !jre
[11:58] <maverick> mrksbrd: yeah
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <Aranel> Hey, Kubuntu gives "sda" and "sdb" to my ATA drives. It wa HDA and HDB, I Rebooted it, and it named sda? How can i fix it ?
[11:58] <flaccid> !java
[11:58] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[11:59] <maverick> uboutu :D
[11:59] <flaccid> Aranel: why do you need to fix it?
[11:59] <mrksbrd> haha
[11:59] <Aranel> flaccid: i don't know, i think it may create errors on my system ?
[12:00] <pag> Aranel, that's a new 'feature' introduced in Feisty's kernel - no easy way to fix it.
[12:00] <maverick> mrksbrd: or go to this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Java_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_v6.0_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[12:00] <buck> some one told me theres a much faster java console .. maxload or something
[12:00] <hw__> Can I install kubuntu 7.04 via console? Graphic installer stops responding
[12:00] <pag> Aranel, and it probably won't create any errors if it hasn't done so already
[12:00] <mrksbrd> said "can't connect"
[12:00] <dromer> flaccid: aah, it failed :( (and ssh seems REALLY slow)
[12:00] <flaccid> Aranel: it won't create any errors. its on purpose
[12:00] <buck> dir
[12:00] <buck> oops..
[12:00] <aldin> hw__, yes u can, try kubuntu alternate cd.iso
[12:01] <aldin> not desktop.iso
[12:01] <flaccid> dromer: failed how?
[12:01] <dromer> ERROR: Module 7308 does not exist in /proc/modules
[12:01] <dromer> and 3 other errors
[12:01] <gsevil> I have problem with beryl, I log in to Gnome, then logout, login to KDE then beryl make a mess, I can't see anything in konsole,menu
[12:01] <hw__> aldin: Ok, thx. Got the wrong iso image now... =)
[12:01] <flaccid> dromer: this is from which command
[12:01] <buck> .. okay .. have a question .. says alian command not found !alien
[12:01] <buck> !alien
[12:01] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[12:02] <maverick> yeah
[12:02] <buck> do i have to install alien
[12:02] <dromer> flaccid: this is from the; sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia
[12:02] <_4strO> buck: then sudo apt-get install alien
[12:02] <maverick> buck: yes
[12:02] <maverick> buck: sudo aptitude install alien
[12:02] <dromer> flaccid: do you want me to type the other 3 ERRORs ?
[12:02] <aldin> hw__, that alternat is old school installer - like in ubuntu 4.10 - 5.10 (or in debian)
[12:02] <flaccid> dromer: does dpkg -l | grep nvidia reveal nvdia-glx-new ?
[12:02] <aldin> so no graphich till u install it
[12:02] <_4strO> gsevil: type beryl-manager & in a terminal
[12:03] <flaccid> aptitude is actually an extension of apt
[12:03] <dromer> flaccid: yes
[12:04] <dromer> aptitude is an (n)curses interface to apt right?
[12:04] <dromer> Ive used it before
[12:04] <buck> i think i am getting more intune with linux.. big headaches but TG for vicodine
[12:04] <buck> helps ease the pain for learning
[12:04] <dromer> haha
[12:04] <maverick> flaccid: from what i know aptitude takes care of your system's sanity more than apt-get
[12:04] <dromer> not too good for your brain though ;)
[12:04] <dromer> maverick: lol
[12:05] <flaccid> maverick: yes and no
[12:05] <buck> but .. i like that there is tons of help both on websites and irc .. again thank you godz for your wealth of linux knowledge
[12:05] <maverick> flaccid: i read, it takes care of the dependenceies when removing packages...
[12:05] <Kasle> do anyone know how to find a CTU theme for kubuntu or ubuntu?
[12:05] <flaccid> maverick: that doesn't equal system sanity
[12:05] <flaccid> :)
[12:06] <flaccid> dromer: if nvidia-glx-new is installed fine, then reboot
[12:06] <gsevil> _4strO, It's still mess. then I have beryl autostart
[12:06] <flaccid> or manually kill kdm then reload the kernel mod then start kdm
[12:06] <dromer> flaccid: ok, I'll try ..
[12:06] <maverick> flaccid: lol, well at least it won't go crazy of unmet dependencies or of some unneeded packages in your system
[12:06] <_4strO> gsevil: autostart for gnome is not same as kde
[12:07] <gsevil> so how do I solve it?
[12:07] <flaccid> maverick: true, but there are other caveats - like there is with every pkg system
[12:07] <maverick> btw, did anyone manages t install KDE 4 beta 1 on his feisty box
[12:07] <_4strO> gsevil: To make beryl start automatically when you log into your KDE session, run  ln -s $(which beryl-manager) ~/.kde/Autostart/ .
[12:07] <maverick> i installed it followed the script instructions and when i logon it logs but no icons appear
[12:07] <maverick> and everything crashes
[12:08] <flaccid> i get window manager already in use or something when i try beryl myself
[12:08] <flaccid> can't find a solution
[12:08] <gsevil> _4strO, I made it too
[12:09] <_4strO> gsevil: i think i dont understand what you want ...
[12:09] <_4strO> is beryl working ?
[12:09] <flaccid> i think gsevil has a far greater problem
[12:09] <flaccid> !beryl > gsevil
[12:09] <gsevil> _4strO, beryl 's working
[12:09] <dromer> flaccid: X freezes at splash
[12:09] <gsevil> it's sometime get mess
[12:10] <_4strO> gsevil: so your problem is to autostart beryl on KDE ?
[12:10] <flaccid> dromer: goto a tty. kill kdm. then do startx and see the problem
[12:11] <gsevil> my problem is, I login KDE, beryl working well, then I logout, login Gnome, and beryl get mess, and vise versa
[12:11] <dromer> flaccid: ERROR: garbage process ID "kdm"
[12:11] <gsevil> I have to restart to make it return normal
[12:12] <gsevil> restart my computer
[12:12] <dromer> flaccid: gdm and xdm don't work either ..
[12:12] <flaccid> dromer: did you do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:12] <dromer> ok .. no :#
[12:12] <flaccid> do that and verify that there is no ps aux | grep kdm
[12:12] <flaccid> then startx and see error
[12:12] <buck> simple question .. i need to unzip a 7z file .. command line howto thanks in advance
[12:12] <buck> i have the 7z unzipper
[12:13] <flaccid> !7z
[12:13] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[12:13] <buck> ark doesnt open it
[12:13] <flaccid> command line try google i guess or use the man page
[12:13] <slougi> buck: p7zip -d <filename here>
[12:13] <buck> thank you
[12:13] <dromer> flaccid: failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[12:13] <_4strO> gsevil: and beryl get mess <-- you have the beryl manager launched but with the wrong windows manager ?
[12:14] <flaccid> dromer: and you have removed the old nvidia and isntalled nvida-glx-new ?
[12:14] <buck> cool that worked.. grr. should have made a new folder .. hahahha
[12:14] <dromer> wel, I used the apt-commands you gave me .. so yes
[12:15] <flaccid> dromer: have you rebooted? if not i must be wrong, must need to reboot
[12:15] <dromer> flaccid: yes I have rebooted
[12:15] <slougi> buck: yeah most rar, zip, and 7z files are bad that way :)
[12:15] <flaccid> dromer: dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[12:15] <flaccid> dromer: pm result
[12:15] <slougi> people who do tar.gz packets usually get it right
[12:16] <gsevil> _4strO, beryl, with aquamarine
[12:16] <buck> hahaha .. yeah  .. now i ahave a desktop full of S#!t
[12:16] <buck> hahah
[12:19] <buck> its like rewarding .. you can spend like hours on one project when you complete it its like the second time around this will be easy
[12:19] <buck> hahahh a
[12:20] <flaccid> damn straight
[12:21] <buck> goog thing for pharmacuetical medication .. makes learning linux fun
[12:22] <buck> *good
[12:23] <buck> dman its finished.. yes
[12:23] <buck> .. again .. thank you irc channel for the love and support you give all newbs and even vets the time  and assistance
[12:24] <flaccid> give me the illicit stuff
[12:24] <buck> hahah
[12:24] <flaccid> buck: are you all good now?
[12:24] <buck> hey if you dont have a prescription its all illicit .. hahahaha
[12:24] <buck> almost .. i just have to test this .. with this one ps2 disk .. ghost recon
[12:25] <flaccid> well negative
[12:25] <flaccid> but thats getting trivial :)
[12:28] <buck> hahaha
[12:29] <buck> tell you what ... if you are not using a product according to its lable its all illicit
[12:29] <buck> label
[12:29] <flaccid> negative
[12:29] <flaccid> and that depends what country you are in
[12:29] <flaccid> and doesn't make the drug illegal...
[12:29] <flaccid> :)
[12:30] <buck> even my can of raid says its against the law to use this product inconsistant with its labeling .. but raid makes a good flame thrower wouldnt you agree
[12:30] <buck> the only way to kill them critters .. if you are not burning them you are just giving them a free high on your expence
[12:31] <buck> expense
[12:33] <Alloosh> hi all
[12:33] <Alloosh> anybody willing to help me
[12:33] <Alloosh> I have probelm connection two computers together
[12:35] <flaccid> buck: i use chems for pleasure, natural for medicinal. oops.
[12:35] <Alloosh> hello again
[12:35] <buck> flaccid the way the gods intended it
[12:35] <flaccid> lol
[12:36] <Alloosh> anybody know how to share files between 2 computers
[12:36] <flaccid> !samba > Alloosh
[12:36] <Alloosh> thanks for reply flaccid
[12:36] <Alloosh> but it does not let me
[12:36] <flaccid> np
[12:36] <buck> hell look at viargra.. straight pleaure drug .. Erectile Dysfunction .. hell i am 22 and i have ED
[12:36] <buck> hahahh
[12:36] <flaccid> Alloosh: exact problem please
[12:36] <Alloosh> ok
[12:36] <Alloosh> here we go
[12:36] <flaccid> buck: look at my nickname :p
[12:37] <Alloosh> I have ubuntu on one machine, and iam connected to internet
[12:37] <Alloosh> I use dsl router
[12:37] <Alloosh> I have also computer with XP
[12:37] <buck> okay .. dsl routher .. !samba
[12:37] <Alloosh> and I cant share files between them
[12:37] <buck> !samba
[12:37] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:38] <gsevil> do you know about MSS2 video codec?
[12:38] <Alloosh> i have read it all
[12:38] <buck> cool
[12:38] <Alloosh> tried everything
[12:38] <Alloosh> it wont work
[12:38] <buck> thats whats wrong with my ED
[12:38] <flaccid> have you tried smbclient, Alloosh?
[12:38] <Alloosh> can you connect to my comp and see the problem
[12:38] <Alloosh> ?
[12:39] <Alloosh> by the way iam new to ubuntu
[12:39] <flaccid> Alloosh: what exactly is your problem. ubuntu can't connect to xp or ?
[12:39] <Alloosh> yes
[12:39] <flaccid> Alloosh: we could, but thats a security risk
[12:39] <Alloosh> I cant see my xp machine when i go to network
[12:39] <Alloosh> flaccid
[12:39] <Alloosh> you can connect its ok
[12:39] <flaccid> Alloosh: install smb4k then try to browse/mount it with that. if it gives error, let me know the error in the dialog
[12:40] <Alloosh> how to install it
[12:40] <flaccid> Alloosh: i won't sorry. its against policy.
[12:40] <Alloosh> please give me command for the terminal
[12:40] <flaccid> Alloosh: do you use adept ?
[12:40] <flaccid> Alloosh: sudo apt-get install smb4k
[12:41] <Alloosh> installing now
[12:41] <Alloosh> by the way, I love UBUNTU
[12:41] <Alloosh> its a million times better than any windows
[12:42] <flaccid> sweet as
[12:42] <Alloosh> another question
[12:42] <Alloosh> how can i reach the mysql consol
[12:43] <flaccid> use the command mysql
[12:43] <flaccid> eg. mysql -u root -p
[12:43] <cloakable> :)
[12:43] <buck> why is remote assistance against policy .
[12:43] <cloakable> I prefer mysql --user=root -p
[12:44] <flaccid> buck: its against my policy :)
[12:44] <Alloosh> lol flaccid
[12:44] <flaccid> cloakable: lol thats longer
[12:44] <Alloosh> you are developing a good policy here
[12:44] <buck> ahh .. because if something screws up .. yeah .. if i am not getting paid than screwing something up is dangerous.
[12:44] <buck> i feel ya
[12:45] <cloakable> flaccid: Yeah, but mysql sometimes borks with just the -u switch, you have to lead it by hand :/
[12:45] <flaccid> cloakable: never witnessed that
[12:45] <Alloosh> ok flaccid
[12:45] <Alloosh> installed it and still notheing
[12:45] <flaccid> that would technically be a bug :(
[12:46] <cloakable> flaccid: It happens constantly with me :(
[12:46] <buck> alloosh are you in teh US
[12:46] <Alloosh> no
[12:46] <Alloosh> europe
[12:46] <flaccid> Alloosh: run smb4k and try to browse the network
[12:46] <buck> Hungry
[12:46] <flaccid> cloakable: weird
[12:46] <Alloosh> flaccid: i did
[12:46] <flaccid> hungary ?
[12:46] <buck> yeah ..
[12:46] <buck> not i am hungry
[12:46] <flaccid> Alloosh: can you browse the network?
[12:46] <buck> hahah h
[12:46] <Alloosh> no
[12:47] <flaccid> buck: my g/f is a nagy..
[12:47] <flaccid> Alloosh: what happens
[12:47] <buck> yeah .. from nagacistan
[12:47] <Alloosh> n othing
[12:47] <Alloosh> just cant see any of the computers
[12:48] <flaccid> buck: hun is too hard for me in comparison to german
[12:48] <flaccid> Alloosh: goto the configure part
[12:48] <flaccid> and select a master browser or something
[12:48] <flaccid> or alternative
[12:48] <flaccid> do
[12:48] <flaccid> smbclient -NL //<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:48] <flaccid> <IP_ADDRESS> = the ip of your windows machine
[12:48] <Alloosh> how to go to the master browser
[12:48] <buck> you are quite the guru flaccid ..
[12:49] <buck> when i am ready to start connecting my computers i hope you are on
[12:49] <flaccid> buck: yeah and i only got unbanned form this chan today :o
[12:49] <buck> how does one get banned arent you a moderator
[12:49] <flaccid> Alloosh: configure smb4k in toools menu
[12:50] <flaccid> Alloosh: its in the network tab  - some optionss - you probably want to enter your windows ip
[12:50] <buck> upnp .. is it still a security risk?
[12:50] <flaccid> buck: me moderator, lol. helpers are not ops heh
[12:50] <flaccid> buck: only if implemented insecurely
[12:50] <flaccid> well i take that back. helpers are ops and ops are helpers. im just not an op
[12:51] <buck> the new routers that have upnp port forwarding feature .. in your oppinion flaccid is that secure
[12:51] <flaccid> yes
[12:51] <flaccid> the security is in the onus of the server
[12:51] <buck> i am thinkning of getting one.. so i can make port forwarding easy
[12:51] <flaccid> ie. what you port forward to
[12:52] <flaccid> yeah. LAN filtering is the responsibility of the internal firewall in that case
[12:52] <buck> well for gaming and stuff
[12:52] <flaccid> buck: most new ones will do the upnp in that way pretty auto
[12:52] <buck> oh no .. he broke his computer
[12:53] <buck> yeah .. i like that and the games  and programs are taking advantage of that .. however a virus can take advantage ot that too i would imagine and open up the trojan ports
[12:53] <flaccid> negative
[12:53] <buck> and voila .. your system is at risk once again..
[12:54] <flaccid> viruses only exist in windows
[12:54] <flaccid> port vuln is responsiblity of the daemon proces...
[12:54] <buck> .. they exsist everywhere .. just not fun writing a virus for 1 thousand people when i can write one that will effect 1 million people
[12:54] <buck> not i personlally
[12:54] <buck> but the virus makers target the mass not the few
[12:55] <flaccid> eg. if the client program allows something in from that port to run a muck, its the program's fault not the port forward. if you set up the port forward manually, you get the same result..
[12:55] <flaccid> buck: you should learn about unix permissions :)
[12:55] <buck> well i notice that everything i do asks me for permissions
[12:55] <flaccid> a virus can't run without perms. and jack all are linux - its all win32
[12:55] <buck> which is nice.. they are complainig about that on vista ..
[12:56] <flaccid> buck: m$ is trying to claim patent on that
[12:56] <buck> but hands down vista is much more secure than XP
[12:56] <flaccid> or they did
[12:56] <flaccid> yet sudo has been around since 70s
[12:56] <flaccid> ..
[12:56] <flaccid> its more secure, but that doesn't not make it secure
[12:57] <buck> .. not at all because its a target .
[12:57] <JRL01192> so what would explain my Ubuntu telling me that a malicious program is eavesdropping! Everytime I try to update?
[12:57] <buck> and when you have a bullseye on you everyone wants the challenge to exploit
[12:57] <buck> MAC OSX will be the next target .. becuase of all its publicity about how secure it it
[12:57] <buck> is
[12:58] <buck> i like linux i think its secure but not Totally secure
[12:59] <buck> infact i understand that firefox is being exploited moreso than ie7
[12:59] <buck> thats what i heard about 2 months agao
[12:59] <flaccid> JRL01192: i'd work out what program is telling you about the so called eavesdropping
[12:59] <buck> whose evesdropping ?
[12:59] <flaccid> buck: windows is not a true OS. its flawed from the start. nothing like UNIX..
[01:00] <flaccid> buck: the expoit thing is incorrect. please check secunia
[01:00] <buck> it does have its UNIX properties tho
[01:00] <tkitty> hey all
[01:01] <buck> i love this linux .. now that i can play UT2004 on it and UT3 is rumored to have a linux distro i may never go back to windows.. well maybe to view my email
[01:01] <flaccid> buck: only recently. but it doesn't change the other flaws. nt perms is an attempt at unix perms and now they are moving towards unix but calling it something else like spirix or some shit
[01:01] <buck> .. yeah . but apple stole UNIX too
[01:01] <flaccid> buck: why would you go back to windows to read mail lol
[01:01] <buck> .. hahaha h
[01:01] <flaccid> buck: it didn't steal it. it used it. it didn't break any law... it did the right thing
[01:01] <buck> i dont know.. what is a good email client for linuse
[01:02] <flaccid> opera or kmail or thunderbird
[01:02] <flaccid> your choice..
[01:02] <buck> you dont like evolution
[01:02] <flaccid> i use opera
[01:02] <tkitty> executing grub hd0 failed
[01:02] <tkitty> y do i get this error while installlin linux
[01:02] <jono_> jono: dude, would you please stop using my nick
[01:02] <buck> do you use opera broweser too
[01:02] <cloakable> buck: evolution is a groupware suite :P
[01:02] <jono_> jono: I have the nick registered but you STILL keep using it
[01:03] <tkitty> people plz help tkitty
[01:03] <flaccid> buck: i use opera for web and mail - primary
[01:03] <jono_> jono: I can ghost you each time you log on (kill the nick) but its so pointless, but please just choose an alternative
[01:03] <tkitty> mozilla is the best
[01:03] <buck> is opera faster thn FF
[01:03] <runlevelten> evolution has its uses. IMO kmail is the better email client
[01:03] <jono_> jono: so here we go again, ghosting again.....
[01:03] <runlevelten> or thunderbird if you like that sort of thing :)
[01:03] <tkitty> y do i get the error executing grub failed
[01:04] <flaccid> buck: totally faster
[01:04] <buck> and FREE
[01:04] <flaccid> free beer, yes
[01:04] <tkitty> guys
[01:04] <buck> okay .. time to install opera
[01:04] <JRL01192> I don't know who is evesdropping but they have been hard at work for 5 days now recording my keystrokes from 1:00pm-2:30pm, 4:00pm-1:00 am
[01:04] <tkitty> now my turn
[01:04] <runlevelten> Opera is [f] ree.
[01:04] <buck> sudo apt-get install opera ..
[01:04] <tkitty> did u try wyzo
[01:04] <tkitty> u can even download torrents
[01:05] <flaccid> JRL01192: you should probably do something about that
[01:05] <buck> damn i am getting good at that
[01:05] <tkitty> sudo apt-get install wyzo
[01:05] <buck> hahaha
[01:05] <tkitty> wyzo is kwel
[01:05] <flaccid> opera has bt support :)
[01:05] <JRL01192> well I don't know how? they defeated my COmodo FIrewall and AVK antivirus in WIndows now it has infected Ubuntu
[01:05] <flaccid> first web browser to have it actually
[01:05] <buck> oh yeah .. i liek that about opera
[01:05] <runlevelten> kmail is more mature than thunderbird tbh, the ui is stabilised and user-friendly and all the functionality works without issue. If someone was replacing a windows-only mail client I'd give them that.
[01:06] <runlevelten> notwithstanding groupware.
[01:06] <buck> i was amazed on my windows system when i downloaded a torrent and was like wow opera is handling this
[01:06] <flaccid> JRL01192: it sounds like a hacker, not a w32 virus..
[01:06] <buck> kmail ..
[01:06] <JRL01192> I could tell when they are viwing my screen because my mouse starts to not work I view multiple windows
[01:06] <JRL01192> exactly
[01:06] <buck> well JRL would have had to load in a keystroke program
[01:06] <flaccid> JRL01192: then they must have vnc or xcmp access...
[01:07] <buck> really i have had that same problem today
[01:07] <buck> with the mouse
[01:07] <flaccid> buck: yeah the devs are improving the BT support which is good. 9.5 shoudl be a lot better
[01:07] <buck> and now its working fine
[01:07] <flaccid> the question is. how can you be for sure that someone is on your desktop. you need a vnc server..
[01:07] <flaccid> !x11vnc
[01:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x11vnc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:08] <buck> .. okay .. how can someone be remote viewing me .. if i dont give permisision
[01:08] <flaccid> !info x11vnc
[01:08] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (feisty), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[01:08] <flaccid> they cannot by default
[01:08] <flaccid> the point is don't assume i guess
[01:09] <buck> well i am telling you .. that problem he described was like mine earlier .. i would try to switch  to a window and was like my mouse was going whacko
[01:09] <buck> i had very little control of it
[01:09] <JRL01192> Wow! Flaccid! deja vu
[01:09] <flaccid> that doesn't mean that someone is on your computer
[01:09] <runlevelten> JRL01192: What's this about keystroke logging?
[01:09] <buck> what progerams would give remote permissions
[01:09] <buck> i will delete em
[01:09] <runlevelten> None will do that.
[01:09] <flaccid> if you really think that someone is on there, then check your processes and look for arbitary ones..
[01:10] <flaccid> yeah there is no remote assistance bs
[01:10] <JRL01192> I don't know but I definitly know my windows system and UNbuntu systems lagging durring my day hours
[01:10] <runlevelten> You would need to be on the system and set it up, or have a script run that did so.
[01:10] <JRL01192> not lagging during my nght hours
[01:10] <flaccid> JRL01192: that doesn't conclude anything
[01:10] <buck> well not now everything is workign fine but i did have the lagging shit like JR
[01:10] <flaccid> the problem can be something else
[01:10] <buck> where it was difficult to click on windows
[01:11] <runlevelten> JRL01192: That would put assuming a keylogger as the last item in a list about 1000 items long, heh
[01:11] <buck> but its not happening now .. and i have not rebooted at all
[01:11] <flaccid> you are assuming you have the same problem
[01:11] <flaccid> that behaviour could be the same for 100 problems
[01:11] <buck> okay .. ealier about the times hes mentioning .. my mouse was eratic
[01:11] <JRL01192> hmm
[01:11] <buck> and i have not rebooted .. and now its workign fine
[01:11] <JRL01192> exactyly I have same problem as buc
[01:11] <buck> i even replaced my batteries.. etc etc
[01:12] <flaccid> its like a court of law.. you have to prove via evidence
[01:12] <runlevelten> People come from windows, you see. They assume everything's nicking their credit card details because that's what they're used to.
[01:12] <JRL01192> but I don't wire mouse
[01:12] <buck> i just figured it was my building
[01:12] <JRL01192> I mean I have a wire mouse
[01:12] <buck> of programs
[01:12] <flaccid> mouse can be dirty
[01:12] <buck> but now that he mentioned that .. hmm
[01:12] <flaccid> thats a big one
[01:12] <buck> yeah .. but all of a sudden its working fine
[01:13] <buck> without cleaning using the same mouse pad.
[01:13] <flaccid> it would be stupid to assume that if your mouse misbehaves.. someone is on your system 'hacking'
[01:13] <runlevelten> probably a cron job then.
[01:13] <buck> cron .. what is cron
[01:13] <flaccid> could be anything
[01:13] <flaccid> mouse works on interrupts
[01:13] <buck> yeah .. it can be ..
[01:13] <flaccid> and yes cron will interupt memory/cpu at least in this casd
[01:13] <flaccid> case
[01:13] <buck> but its strange that its working fine
[01:13] <buck> what is cron?
[01:13] <JRL01192> lol it is not just the mouse, my mouse goes eccentric, my cpu start to hog, I can't exit windows both in ubuntu and windows
[01:13] <flaccid> things are strange until identified..
[01:14] <buck> i will know if i was running a corn proccess or not
[01:14] <flaccid> JRL01192: you probably have a hardware issue
[01:14] <flaccid> !cron
[01:14] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[01:14] <buck> yeah .. but its working fine now flaccid..
[01:14] <runlevelten> building slocate, or beagle indexing, or whatever crazy stuff you have in cron, or even simple network traffic peaking.
[01:14] <JRL01192> lol I had the same hardware since 2005
[01:14] <buck> without a reboot
[01:14] <runlevelten> how will you know what you have in cron if you don't know what cron is?
[01:14] <JRL01192> still I manage to get this problems
[01:14] <flaccid> buck: that doesn't justify your assumptions... hard evidence to conclude is required
[01:15] <runlevelten> You're not telling me you examined your cron jobs thoroughly before knowing of cron's existence?
[01:15] <runlevelten> Hmm.
[01:15] <buck> maybe i will put in a port scanner
[01:15] <flaccid> a computer has millions of variables, don't generalise them...
[01:15] <buck> no i understand .. i just figured was a task or something i was using
[01:15] <JRL01192> it looks like me and buck have the sameproblem didn't even notice it
[01:15] <buck> yeah ..
[01:16] <omega_> I have a question if anyone knows anything about this... got a laptop with audigy2 pcmcia snd but it is installed as /proc/esound/card1 but for some reason even though i have set it as default sound counter-strike under crossover office 6 still uses card0 instead
[01:16] <runlevelten> "put in a port scanner"? Lol, buck, what are you trying to achieve, dude?
[01:16] <flaccid> looks don't usually translate...
[01:16] <flaccid> something visual is entirely diffferentin reality
[01:16] <buck> i dont know .. to see if anyone is accessing my ports i gues
[01:16] <flaccid> a port scanner won't let you know anyone scanning
[01:16] <runlevelten> omega_: knowing 3d gaming through wine, it may be a compatibility measure.
[01:16] <runlevelten> Does it still work?
[01:16] <flaccid> a port scanner scans..
[01:17] <buck> yeah .. scans open ports .. should also give ips of what i am connected to as well
[01:17] <flaccid> if you wanna track port scanners, you need logs + snmp
[01:17] <runlevelten> A port scanner doesn't check whether anyone is accessing your computer, it probes computers.
[01:17] <flaccid> buck: nope
[01:17] <omega_> do you know sites that might know... codeweaver's website sux0rz for finding stuff
[01:18] <flaccid> buck:  you want netstat -tan or netstat -tap or netstat -tan | grep -i established or something...
[01:18] <flaccid> omega_: what do you mean sorryz
[01:18] <buck> aircrack-ng is that a good one
[01:18] <flaccid> buck: its good for what it was made for...
[01:19] <omega_> well is there any forum site that can be searched to maybe find something on this matter
[01:19] <runlevelten> ....which is nothing to do with what you're trying to do...
[01:19] <flaccid> its not good for seeing what is accessing your computer, it does the opposite...
[01:19] <buck> couldnt find package netstat
[01:19] <runlevelten> omega_: appdb is the place to go.
[01:19] <flaccid> omega_: which matter?
[01:19] <runlevelten> appdb.winehq.org
[01:19] <flaccid> buck: netstat is built in
[01:19] <buck> wait netstat is built
[01:19] <buck> yeah
[01:19] <buck> hahaha
[01:19] <buck> duh ..
[01:19] <buck> im such a newb
[01:20] <flaccid> netstat -a | grep -i establi
[01:20] <flaccid> all connections held...
[01:20] <omega_> telling crossover or wine which sound card to use by default
[01:20] <buck> i can see lots of ips ..
[01:20] <runlevelten> To be honest, that's going to cause more hysteria than it solves, flaccid.
[01:20] <flaccid> omega_: oh that. good point. i guess you can only try codeweavers..
[01:20] <runlevelten> buck: first of all, type in a console:
[01:20] <runlevelten> top
[01:20] <omega_> appsdb only shows how to get windows apps running not lower level stuff
[01:20] <buck> yeah .. i have console running
[01:21] <buck> no i am not feared with computers
[01:21] <runlevelten> omega_: riiiiight, so that means it will tell you.....
[01:21] <flaccid> runlevelten: thats your assumption not mine
[01:21] <buck> i know ssh3 is secure
[01:21] <buck> anything i do that requires computer security should be ssh
[01:21] <flaccid> negative
[01:21] <flaccid> ssh is one possible protocol
[01:22] <buck> i have nothing on my system that anyone would want.. except maybe naked pictures of my wife .. well maybe they wouldnt wan them either . hahahah
[01:22] <flaccid> ssl/tls has been used on the web for confidentiality since the 90s
[01:22] <joao> hi, i did a fresh install, but i have a problem. it seems i forgot the root password -.-. is there any way to recovery it? thanks
[01:22] <flaccid> buck: yeah its not windows, you are protected by default
[01:22] <buck> but i like htis netstat stuff looks cool
[01:22] <flaccid> !root > joao
[01:22] <flaccid> buck: netstat is your friend.. just learn the switches
[01:23] <buck> yeah ...but i keep my system in ROOT often
[01:23] <flaccid> what does that mean
[01:23] <buck> when i am doing big projects
[01:23] <flaccid> 'keep my system in root'
[01:23] <buck> also how does one check his processes.. i like that .. now with windows its easy to google the process
[01:24] <buck> system monitor .. should be it .. yep it is .cool
[01:24] <runlevelten> flaccid: What I mean is, if someone's assuming they've got a compromised system when it slows down a little, maybe throwing the netstat output at them before they've checked top
[01:24] <runlevelten> flaccid: could be reconsidered. idunno. Just a thought, like. ;)
[01:24] <buck> .. no .. i htink looking at the running process is better
[01:25] <flaccid> runlevelten:  you are right
[01:25] <buck> im not saying my system was ever compromised..
[01:25] <flaccid> using top or ksysguard is a good starting point particularly for cpu
[01:25] <buck> i am stating that i had an issue like that other guy .. at about the same period of time of day
[01:25] <flaccid> coincedences are common
[01:26] <flaccid> so is bad spelling
[01:26] <buck> i dont know how to spill either .. hahahah
[01:26] <flaccid> shetip
[01:26] <flaccid> :p\
[01:26] <buck> but yeah now everything works fine.. whether my sys was compromised ..
[01:26] <joao> thanks flaccid
[01:26] <buck> or not . i dont know
[01:26] <runlevelten> yeah - and excessive disk access is just as bad.
[01:27] <JRL01192> exactly
[01:27] <JRL01192> i will wait until miday when problem arrives
[01:27] <buck> and me and JR probably were running the same tasks at the same time
[01:27] <buck> but yeah .. coincidense
[01:28] <flaccid> disk access a lot on a notebook = delay
[01:28] <JRL01192> I have been reading up on news, and throughtout this week there has been alot of blackhate activity throughout the world
[01:28] <buck> i should have tried other desktop .. like gnome or flux
[01:28] <flaccid> buck: they are massive assumptions
[01:28] <flaccid> buck: go back to windows?
[01:28] <buck> hahahh
[01:28] <JRL01192> lol
[01:29] <buck> i am just stating that i had the same symptoms as JR .. not saying that i was being hacked
[01:29] <buck> did you see me type anyting about how my system was running earlier
[01:29] <runlevelten> Well anyway buck. First, check top when you're slowing down
[01:30] <buck> nope .. when he stated that .. i just wanted it noted that i had same issues
[01:30] <runlevelten> and watch what's beating the heck out of your hard drive, too.
[01:30] <buck> i wasnt slowing down..
[01:30] <buck> my mouse was eratic
[01:30] <runlevelten> PS: you're not running GUI user apps as root, are you?
[01:30] <buck> like i had no control and other windows were poping up front that i was in no way clicking
[01:30] <JRL01192> could maximize and minimize windows?
[01:30] <buck> and now everything is fine and i havent rebooted
[01:31] <JRL01192> yep we have the same problems
[01:31] <JRL01192> excpt my cpu starts to lag
[01:31] <runlevelten> buck, did it behave like the scroll wheel was stuck?
[01:31] <buck> im not assuming that i was being compromised or i would have stated that earlier ..
[01:31] <runlevelten> buck, try scrolling on a window title before you answer that.
[01:31] <runlevelten> so did it act just like that, but mental?
[01:31] <JRL01192> I could scroll perfectly
[01:32] <JRL01192> even in those conditions
[01:32] <buck> hahah .. cool . well i may have been rolling my scroll button
[01:32] <buck> i see thats a cool feature.. i dont know about it being stuck ..
[01:32] <runlevelten> buck: there's some hard to identify bug that causes that to go mental every now and then.
[01:32] <buck> but i see that the scroll can bring windows forward
[01:33] <runlevelten> It always seems to be on systems with ati cards so far.
[01:33] <JRL01192> I have Nvidia :)
[01:33] <buck> and linux is designed to fix this issue without rebooting
[01:33] <buck> i have nvidai too
[01:33] <buck> an old one in this system .. a 5900 ultra
[01:33] <runlevelten> Agh, well worth asking, just in case.
[01:33] <JRL01192> lol this is too much of a coincidence.
[01:34] <JRL01192> I have a 7900GTX
[01:34] <buck> so i can see that the windows may have been the scroll ..
[01:34] <buck> on my other system i have 2 7900 GT OC .. that are being replaced from BFG ..
[01:34] <runlevelten> I don't use it to switch windows, although I do use it to switch desktops.
[01:35] <buck> becuase of thier stupid over clocking the weakass memory
[01:35] <Sanne> buck: usually you have some cron jobs running shortly after booting that may take some cpu. Maybe it's just updatedb running.
[01:35] <JRL01192> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:37055      <IP_ADDRESS>:6667      ESTABLISHED; is this normal?
[01:35] <runlevelten> irc
[01:35] <buck> ... well you are on a router
[01:35] <JRL01192> yep
[01:35] <buck> and your .. isp should be the207
[01:35] <runlevelten> JRL01192: that's IRC....
[01:35] <JRL01192> k
[01:36] <JRL01192> well now I only need to wait for the midday attack
[01:37] <ivan> ciao
[01:37] <ivan> !list
[01:37] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:37] <buck> but was while my syetem was running for like 3 hours..
[01:38] <buck> so i dont know if it was cron
[01:38] <buck> i was so pissed that i left the computer
[01:38] <buck> which i rarely do ..
[01:38] <JRL01192> wtf? is cron? Are you talking about the game?
[01:39] <buck> i think cron is a program that automatically runs tasks
[01:39] <runlevelten> cron is the system that allows things to be run at particular times JRL01192
[01:39] <runlevelten> very, very useful.
[01:39] <buck> yeah .. and if that is running in the after noon rather than when you are not on it . can create havoc
[01:39] <JRL01192> O I see, o well I do not use it
[01:39] <buck> for instance say you are defraggin
[01:40] <runlevelten> Well no, if things are set to run as cron jobs.
[01:40] <buck> how do i know if there are tasks in it
[01:40] <buck> and how can i check the config file
[01:40] <buck> !cron
[01:40] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[01:40] <buck> nevermind
[01:41] <buck> now .. under crontab -e .. i see not tasks are there hidden cron tasks and where can i look them up
[01:42] <buck> perhaps root tasks
[01:42] <runlevelten> ls /etc/cron*  doesn't hurt either :)
[01:43] <buck> i like this cron
[01:43] <buck> i am gonna set some apps up
[01:46] <JRL01192> !netstat
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netstat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <buck> type netstat --help
[01:48] <JRL01192> thanks ;)
[01:49] <Insane`KDE> Can anybody get me hooked to a guide to quickly and easily set up a virtual machine on linux? Or otherwise give me a package name
[01:49] <flaccid> !virtualisation
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualisation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <flaccid> !virtualization
[01:49] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[01:49] <flaccid> damn americans who can't spell
[01:53] <joao> where can i get the packages for kaffeine play all the restricted formats?
[01:53] <buck> vmware is that good
[01:53] <stdin> joao: kaffeine used xine, the package for xine is libxine-extracodecs
[01:53] <flaccid> !codecs
[01:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:53] <buck> !rar
[01:53] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[01:53] <Insane`KDE> !KQemu
[01:53] <ubotu> kqemu is a kernel module (now free under the GPL license) for speeding up the !QEMU virtual machine. Installation instructions can be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/KQEmu - see also !qvm86
[01:54] <aldin> hi, what should i put in ~/.vimrc, so when i type '/' it shows me all searches?
[01:54] <Insane`KDE> !QEMU
[01:54] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[01:54] <JRL01192> I have used it before, few bugs here and there
[01:54] <JRL01192> great program for using a proxy
[01:54] <stdin> aldin: try asking in #vim
[01:54] <JRL01192> keeping your anon
[01:55] <aldin> stdin, ok, hope they are not sleeping hehe
[01:55] <aldin> #vim
[01:55] <JRL01192> *keeping you anonymous
[01:55] <buck> is there a free rar utuility
[01:55] <stdin> buck: the "unrar" package is the free one, the "unrar-nonfree" is the non free one
[01:56] <JRL01192> 0.0
[01:56] <buck> cool
[01:56] <buck> thanks
[01:58] <[ifr0g] > Hi, to allow dhcp calls on <IP_ADDRESS> what should i add to the routing table.
[01:58] <[ifr0g] > I remember reading that some place, but lost the link.
[02:01] <[ifr0g] > Never mind, i Got it ! route add -host <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0 :)
[02:02] <buck> thank you flaccid
[02:02] <buck> opera is fast
[02:03] <[ifr0g] > buck, faster than firefox ?
[02:03] <flaccid> yeah it kills firefox
[02:03] <flaccid> its 6MB..
[02:03] <[ifr0g] > Nice, which version ?
[02:03] <flaccid> any
[02:03] <buck> oh yeah .. but does it have all the cool litle plugins
[02:04] <flaccid> no
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > :P
[02:04] <flaccid> plugins are 3rd party
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > Darn..
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > I love the extensions.
[02:04] <flaccid> opera would not make their browser unstable like that
[02:04] <buck> yeah but what about like pop up blockers etc
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > Well, it depends on the extentions you choose.
[02:04] <flaccid> extensions are cool, but you need to ack how they are possible with firefox and why they are make firefox unstable...
[02:04] <[ifr0g] > i am using around 8 and firefox is smooth.
[02:05] <JRL01192> swiftfox pwns ALL!
[02:05] <flaccid> opera has a pop up blocker and spam filter native
[02:05] <buck> cool.. '
[02:05] <buck> because i am viewing what the internet was designed for .. PORN
[02:05] <flaccid> with firefox it depends on the extensions you install. but if you look at firefox deps and the size etc. its a piece of bloat..
[02:05] <buck> and with that .. lots of pop ups and adds
[02:05] <flaccid> buck:
[02:05] <flaccid> use space
[02:05] <flaccid> on pron pages
[02:06] <JRL01192> I thought the internet was designed for learning :p
[02:06] <buck> space .. how do you use that
[02:06] <flaccid> the spacebar
[02:06] <flaccid> click on a thumbnail then press space on that photo
[02:07] <buck> i did that
[02:07] <JRL01192> lol
[02:07] <buck> space doesnt do ne things.. spcbr
[02:08] <flaccid> sorry spacebar
[02:08] <buck> just does a dwnpage like
[02:08] <buck> probably becaus i am in kde
[02:08] <flaccid> buck: correct and it does to next photo after that
[02:09] <flaccid> does=goes
[02:09] <buck> well let me switch DT brb
[02:10] <Insane`KDE> How do I mount a filesystem with read+write permissions?
[02:11] <flaccid> !ntfs
[02:11] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:11] <flaccid> !mount
[02:11] <buck> back
[02:11] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:11] <Insane`KDE> I used "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 -o fmask=0111,dmask=0000" but that's readonly
[02:11] <flaccid> Insane`KDE: the first one shows the goods
[02:11] <flaccid> or see
[02:11] <flaccid> !fstab
[02:11] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[02:11] <stdin> Insane`KDE: ntfs?
[02:11] <flaccid> Insane`KDE:  -o rw
[02:11] <Insane`KDE> stdin: Yes
[02:11] <stdin> !ntfs-3g
[02:11] <buck> hahah .. that is cool flaccid
[02:11] <Insane`KDE> Let's see
[02:11] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:11] <flaccid> !fuse
[02:11] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:12] <flaccid> ntfs-3g is successor to fuse?
[02:12] <stdin> flaccid: fuse != ntfs-3g
[02:12] <Insane`KDE> -o rw failed
[02:12] <stdin> flaccid: ntfs-3g uses fuse
[02:13] <runlevelten> Yes, be very cautious about using write access on NTFS.
[02:13] <runlevelten> :\
[02:13] <buck> how do i install this ntfs program?>
[02:13] <buck> hmmm will have to se
[02:14] <[ifr0g] > runlevelten, what bad could happen ?
[02:14] <flaccid> stdin: wasn't that my question ??
[02:14] <flaccid> ok
[02:15] <stdin> flaccid: no, fuse is more than just ntfs support
[02:15] <buck> isnt that copywrite infringing .. ntfs fuse
[02:16] <flaccid> depends on licensing
[02:16] <buck> well i am gonna try and install this
[02:18] <buck> i thought there was a switch in the KERNAL that allows for NTFS
[02:18] <runlevelten> [ifr0g] : the spec can change or not work consistently between the two platforms.
[02:19] <stdin> buck: yes, but it's basic support, ie: you can't create files or make them bigger/smaller
[02:19] <arun> hello stdin, runlevelten
[02:20] <buck> okay .. i see that now ..
[02:20] <stdin> hi arun
[02:20] <runlevelten> Besides which, if you don't live in the US, there's rarely any support at all for copyright stipulations preventing you from accessing your own content in your own home without redistributing anybody else's work.
[02:20] <JRL01192> man the more I stay in here, the more familiar I become with Ubuntu
[02:20] <buck> but in future bilds they plan on making this possible
[02:20] <runlevelten> Regardless of what licenses attempt.
[02:20] <buck> builds
[02:20] <buck> thats gonna be insane.. more resons to switch to LINUX ..
[02:20] <runlevelten> hi arun
[02:21] <Insane`KDE> Anybody help me here, I mounted my ntfs partitions using fuse, but I still can't write to them
[02:21] <buck> new to linux but always enjoy free programs LICENSED OR NOT
[02:21] <Insane`KDE> !ntfs
[02:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:22] <Insane`KDE> !fuse
[02:22] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[02:22] <runlevelten> Why does the fuse factoid point to ntfs support?
[02:22] <buck> dnever bought a windows distro /// when they can release a copy that doesnt need a service pack in 5 year i amy consider it
[02:23] <runlevelten> All of my software is legally licensed except for kernel tainting ones.
[02:23] <buck> what is kernel tainting??
[02:24] <runlevelten> I'm afraid I have no intention of reading or complying with any licensing requirements for them. They are already covered by the GPL, and if those companies wish to violate the GPL they have no reason to expecxt anything of me \o/
[02:24] <buck> hahahhah
[02:25] <bluejay561> xcg
[02:25] <buck> .. is rebuilding your kernel easy .. i tried it once .. with no luck
[02:25] <buck> is there an art .. what shoudl one read before attempting this
[02:25] <runlevelten> If it ever becomes an issue, they can provide me with the source code for their kernel modules before we talk.
[02:25] <JRL01192> good ol Microsoft, the modern thieves.
[02:26] <runlevelten> Microsoft aren't thieves, that's not fair.
[02:26] <flaccid> modern?
[02:26] <flaccid> they stold dos
[02:26] <buck> MS takes good ideas and with thier BILLIOINS of dollars makes em pretier
[02:26] <flaccid> err stole dos
[02:26] <flaccid> thats not modern...
[02:26] <runlevelten> They're evil, and they're irrelevant.
[02:27] <terry__> what's a cool desktop applet which sort of mirrors vista sidebar?
[02:27] <buck> and another reason not to purchase windows
[02:27] <buck> what is a cool linux sidebar
[02:27] <flaccid> m$ has also been busted for using warez in their windows
[02:27] <runlevelten> I don't know. If you're looking for the apps that vista sidebar lifted from though, you want kde sidebar and superkaramba.
[02:28] <buck> MS is behind PIRACY
[02:28] <buck> .. even tho they say they are against it
[02:28] <flaccid> they are now a security company
[02:28] <runlevelten> buck: yeah but ultimately, who cares?
[02:28] <flaccid> and they invented viruses... go figure..
[02:28] <JRL01192> ahhaha I just flushed an epidemic in the chatroom.
[02:28] <buck> they are against it in the business sense but not in the personal sence
[02:28] <flaccid> i care very much, anyone who doesn't um...
[02:29] <flaccid> personal sense = capitalist sense
[02:29] <buck> the whole point in them not caring about personal attemtps at software theft is if all the people are using it than the businesses will buy it because peope know how to use it
[02:29] <terry__> runlevelten, can't find them in adept...
[02:29] <runlevelten> anyone who doesn't...doesn't use their software?
[02:30] <buck> NORTON invented VIRUS'
[02:30] <flaccid> its all money...
[02:30] <arun> runlevelten: lol
[02:30] <flaccid> buck: no m$ did. norton just made money from it
[02:30] <JRL01192> business wise they made fundamental moves to move the company further, personal wise they are just plain ol thieves
[02:30] <buck> MS just made it possible
[02:30] <buck> NORTON wrote the scripts
[02:30] <flaccid> negative
[02:31] <flaccid> norton wrote the original virus data files for the first viruses
[02:31] <buck> Windows is the biggest virus .. and people actually infect thier own machines
[02:31] <flaccid> it wouldn't be possible without an insecure OS called windows...
[02:31] <runlevelten> terrys: kde sidebar and doccks are already installed
[02:31] <runlevelten> superkaramba too, iirc
[02:31] <buck> .. does flux have  cool sidebars
[02:32] <buck> is SuSE better run?
[02:32] <flaccid> suse is commercial
[02:32] <runlevelten> There are differences.
[02:32] <terrys> runlevelten, really? i cant find them
[02:32] <runlevelten> No, OpenSuSE is a community distro.
[02:32] <flaccid> i thought we were talking about SuSE
[02:33] <runlevelten> the SuSE name is commercially owned, but if Novell ever caused problems for that, the community distro would fork.
[02:33] <flaccid> not OpenSuSE :)
[02:33] <buck> .. okay.. what disto is SuSE built on mandrake / redhat / debian / etc
[02:33] <flaccid> um
[02:33] <arun> redhat i think
[02:33] <runlevelten> What, SLES and SLED?
[02:33] <buck> i have always like the debian build
[02:33] <stdin> buck: it's a redhad type system, like mandrake
[02:33] <runlevelten> SuSE is built on SuSE.
[02:33] <buck> oh they have thier own build
[02:33] <flaccid> yast is good
[02:33] <flaccid> but thats about it
[02:33] <runlevelten> it started out slackwaresque a long time ago
[02:33] <joao> yast is nice
[02:33] <runlevelten> before Debian IIRC.
[02:34] <arun> yast is not nearly as good as adept
[02:34] <stdin> redhat type = uses RPM
[02:34] <|Lunar_Lamp|> !konversation
[02:34] <joao> and the new version it will be much faster
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <flaccid> adept is not CLI/TUI..
[02:34] <runlevelten> YaST does 100x more stuff than adept
[02:34] <arun> !info konversation
[02:34] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 5038 kB, installed size 12996 kB
[02:34] <buck> so this new SuSE should be a getter than
[02:34] <runlevelten> adept covers about 1% of YaST's functionality, arun :)
[02:34] <joao> yes
[02:34] <JRL01192> shh runlevel is telling his ol story about slackware ; it started with slackware a long time ago...
[02:34] <joao> the will be faster
[02:34] <buck> I figure to RUN UT3 will need that
[02:35] <arun> runlevelten: i've used yast with opensuse, and i've used adept, and i know which one i'd rather use
[02:35] <runlevelten> Well you should always choose what you use. OpenSuSE 10.3 is looking... incredible.
[02:35] <joao> *boot
[02:35] <runlevelten> arun: I'd be interested to see you do anything except package management with adept.
[02:35] <NiceGuyUK> Can someone please remind me where you tell Kontact that you want Firefox as the default browser, not Konqueror?
[02:35] <arun> runlevelten: i wouldn't :)
[02:35] <runlevelten> anything except GUI package management, for that matter.
[02:36] <buck> hmmm this suse seams like the answer for the next gen games
[02:36] <flaccid> don't compare a TUI to a GUI for a start
[02:36] <terrys> why does apt-cache find superkaramba where adept doesn't?
[02:36] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: in system settings > default application
[02:36] <runlevelten> buck: very doubtful.
[02:36] <terrys> do they use the same sources?
[02:36] <flaccid> um its all linux...
[02:36] <runlevelten> buck: SuSE is very secure, and robust, but it carries a lot of high latency stuff. Kubuntu is much snappier, which makes it probably more useful for games.
[02:37] <buck> yeah . i think UT2004 runs smoother on my linux box with a lesser card than my windwos system
[02:37] <buck> video card
[02:38] <buck> im sure the shaders on my windwos are better
[02:38] <buck> i should try it on that system
[02:38] <buck> .. does linux support shaders and SLI
[02:38] <JRL01192> talking about games if it wasn't for Punkbuster linux would have a whole lot FPS under the bag
[02:38] <flaccid> buck: what do i need to do to run UT2004
[02:38] <runlevelten> I find that UT2004's native  runs suboptimally on modern distros.
[02:38] <buck> just install it
[02:38] <buck> if you have the disk ..
[02:38] <runlevelten> *native client. It was a lot faster and better.
[02:38] <flaccid> buck: i have nothing
[02:38] <buck> sh linux-ut2004.sh
[02:38] <buck> sometiinbg like that
[02:39] <buck> and a key
[02:39] <flaccid> i don't have that script yet
[02:39] <flaccid> is it free or not free?
[02:39] <runlevelten> it's on disk 3 if you have the cds.
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> !partitions
[02:39] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[02:39] <buck> well sudo linux-ut2005.sh
[02:39] <runlevelten> flaccid ^
[02:39] <buck> i have the DVD ..
[02:39] <Insane`KDE> !GParted
[02:39] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[02:39] <flaccid> i have the internet available
[02:39] <buck> but thats all there is to it .. oh than the update
[02:39] <flaccid> how can i install it via that lol
[02:39] <flaccid> the internet here is faster than my cdrom..
[02:40] <buck> you have to get the update.. and that took me a while .. to get .. but someone here helped me install it
[02:40] <pvandewyngaerde> parted magic ! http://www.partedmagic.com/
[02:40] <flaccid> im on 50mbps
[02:40] <flaccid> URI?
[02:40] <buck> you also need a key
[02:40] <flaccid> so i guess its non-free then
[02:40] <buck> i also installed doom3
[02:41] <runlevelten> of course it's non-free.
[02:41] <buck> well thats the beauty of the top devs .. they are making LINUX engines
[02:41] <NiceGuyUK> stdin : thanks (and sorry for the delay in thanking you, work intervened :( )
[02:41] <buck> too
[02:41] <flaccid> of course?
[02:41] <runlevelten> the ut2kx installers were distributed by default.
[02:41] <stdin> NiceGuyUK: :)
[02:41] <runlevelten> look on your discs.
[02:41] <joao> where can we find ut2004 natively for linux?
[02:41] <buck> yeah .. EPIC made mention that UT3 may be linux too by default
[02:41] <runlevelten> on the disk.
[02:41] <buck> but the disk
[02:42] <buck> buy
[02:42] <buck> one of about 6 games i have purchased
[02:42] <stdin> you buy the game and download the linux engine from the website
[02:42] <buck> no
[02:42] <buck> its on the disc
[02:42] <flaccid> buy or not... im just trying to enter the website
[02:42] <runlevelten> Yes, with doom 3. With UT2kx, you install the engine from the game disc.
[02:43] <buck> DOOM 3 and queke 4 you would need to get engine on website
[02:43] <flaccid> for some reason i need a date?
[02:43] <buck> your age
[02:43] <flaccid> the engines are in repos..
[02:43] <buck> and you are going into the UT3 website
[02:43] <flaccid> thats personal
[02:43] <buck> just 1/1/1800
[02:43] <runlevelten> Age verification. Make one up like everyone else does.
[02:43] <buck> 1/1/1900
[02:43] <flaccid> thats what google gave me
[02:43] <flaccid> it doesn't verify age at all
[02:43] <buck> yeah .. but not much info on ut2004 .. heres a link
[02:44] <buck> http://www.linuxelectrons.com/features/reviews/playing-unreal-tournament-2004-linux http://www.linuxelectrons.com/features/reviews/playing-unreal-tournament-2004-linux
[02:44] <flaccid> ok i was born in 1910.. that let me through.. so secure
[02:44] <runlevelten> I'm not aware of epic ever offering the installers for download.
[02:44] <runlevelten> updates, yes.
[02:45] <dawiz> well
[02:45] <joao> !qanta
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qanta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <buck> yeah ..after you get the cd/dvd you just typesudo sh linus-ut2004.sh .. something like that
[02:45] <dawiz> no linux distro will install on this thinkpad
[02:45] <runlevelten> !quanta
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quanta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <flaccid> dawiz: try a different computer/brand
[02:45] <stdin> !html
[02:45] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[02:46] <buck> IBM theres your problem . hahahah
[02:46] <joao> how can i put firefox to become my deafult browser for everything?
[02:46] <dawiz> its old
[02:46] <joao> !Quanta+
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quanta+ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <buck> sawiz .. if you cant run a live disk than trash the thinkpad
[02:46] <dawiz> im not going to buy another computer
[02:46] <dawiz> lol
[02:46] <stdin> joao: what are you looking for?
[02:47] <flaccid> sweet
[02:47] <dawiz> it runs live disks
[02:47] <joao> the package for quanta..but i will get it in their website
[02:47] <runlevelten> joao: kcontrol  kde componenets  default apps
[02:47] <runlevelten> change web browser to firefox
[02:47] <runlevelten> *components
[02:48] <runlevelten> quanta is usually in kdewebdev or similar
[02:48] <llutz> joao: sudo aptitude install quanta
[02:48] <runlevelten> do an apt-cache search quanta
[02:48] <joao> ok thanks :)
[02:48] <flaccid> apt is also searchable in konq
[02:48] <dawiz> man
[02:48] <flaccid> eg. apt:/show?nvidia-glx-new
[02:48] <dawiz> i hate doing this
[02:48] <buck> what is the gnome equiv of kconrtol
[02:49] <stdin> joao: it's in the repos
[02:49] <flaccid> buck: try #ubuntu
[02:49] <runlevelten> Gnome equivalent of kcontrol? Hahaha.
[02:49] <stdin> !quanta | joao
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quanta - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <stdin> !info quanta | joao
[02:49] <ubotu> joao: quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2382 kB, installed size 5728 kB
[02:49] <runlevelten> You don't need to change stuff.
[02:49] <stdin> buck: probably gconf
[02:49] <runlevelten> "You don't need to change stuff." < Gnome's answer to kcontrol :p
[02:49] <buck> .. well i switch between ..
[02:49] <buck> i like KDE but ut2004 runs better in Gnome
[02:50] <runlevelten> No there's the gregedit^w gconf-editor I suppose
[02:50] <runlevelten> buck: It shouldn't do, tbh.
[02:50] <buck> what is tbh
[02:50] <flaccid> i guess when a proprietery game works better in a DE, swich to dit
[02:50] <runlevelten> buck: I should use fluxbox when you're running games
[02:50] <JRL01192> I love gnome, YAY NO MORE lags.
[02:50] <flaccid> not
[02:50] <buck> i use flux
[02:50] <buck> thats what i am on now
[02:50] <runlevelten> to be honest
[02:50] <flaccid> why use fluxbox
[02:51] <buck> becuase its fast
[02:51] <flaccid> use no window manager
[02:51] <buck> loads fast
[02:51] <runlevelten> flaccid: fluxbox is very fast and light
[02:51] <flaccid> no window manager is faster than fluxbox
[02:51] <buck> yeah .. when i am in KDE i gte an aweful flicker
[02:51] <dawiz> fluxbox is fast and light
[02:51] <runlevelten> well, I'm not hugely keen on the most recent builds I've used on kubuntu, they seem very slow.
[02:51] <dawiz> i like icewm
[02:51] <runlevelten> Still much snappier than everything else though, but login isn't instant.
[02:51] <stdin> KDE is always fast and versatile enough for me
[02:52] <dawiz> i use kde tho
[02:52] <buck> login is fast with fluxbox
[02:52] <stdin> if not there's always bash
[02:52] <dawiz> i like the eye candy
[02:52] <runlevelten> login is usually instant with fluxbox.
[02:52] <flaccid> you are comparing apples with bananans
[02:52] <flaccid> ...
[02:52] <buck> gnome i like how my windows giggle and i can cube my work spaces
[02:52] <runlevelten> The good bit about fluxbox is that it plays very nicely with KDE
[02:52] <buck> yeah .. very fast .. like hit enter and you are in
[02:53] <flaccid> its like saying my truck is not as fast as that motorbike
[02:53] <buck> infact there was someting i did that gave me my kde display in flux
[02:53] <runlevelten> so you can pick bits of your DE and run them as required, or even run the whole of KDE when you've finished gaming.
[02:53] <dawiz> gnome is too much like macos9
[02:53] <buck> and i had the bars at bottom and top with the little icons
[02:53] <stdin> you want a fast GUI, "Xorg :1 & export DISPLAY=:1 ; xterm"
[02:53] <flaccid> stdin: i already said that :p
[02:54] <buck> can i apt-get install Xorg-Desktop
[02:54] <stdin> but I gave the commands :P
[02:54] <stdin> buck: xorg-desktop??
[02:54] <runlevelten> fluxbox is like a lower KDE runlevel, basically.
[02:54] <runlevelten> heh
[02:54] <flaccid> buck: no
[02:54] <buck> no
[02:54] <buck> hahah
[02:54] <flaccid> just don't startkde...
[02:54] <buck> flux is cool
[02:55] <buck> basic and minimal
[02:55] <flaccid> X w/ no window manager....
[02:55] <dawiz> yeah flux is cool
[02:55] <dawiz> nothing is as fast as cli tho
[02:55] <stdin> enlightenment is a nice desktop
[02:55] <runlevelten> It's great if you want to play assaultcube while kmail loads, instead of watching the KDE splash, too :)
[02:55] <flaccid> comparing cli to gui is apples and bannanas
[02:56] <buck> back .. hit exit . .by mistake
[02:56] <flaccid> i woudn't be using kde if i wanted performance...
[02:56] <aldin> In file included from linspireclear.cpp:31:
[02:56] <aldin> linspireclear.h:31:25: error: kdecoration.h: No such file or directory
[02:56] <aldin> , where do i find this header?
[02:56] <runlevelten> enlightenment is OK, but it's not as KDE-friendly as fb
[02:56] <flaccid> if i wanted performance, i woudln't be using X ata ll
[02:56] <flaccid> at all
[02:56] <dawiz> it is comparing apples and bananas
[02:56] <stdin> aldin: go to https://packages.ubuntu.com/ and search for the file
[02:56] <flaccid> aldin: try #kde or post on kde-apps.org
[02:57] <buck> !bash
[02:57] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:57] <runlevelten> If you want performance + stability *and* a full-fat DE, you certainly don't base that on gtk cruft, imo.
[02:57] <JRL01192> alright then what would be good for performance than?
[02:58] <stdin> besides Qt just looks nicer :)
[02:58] <flaccid> people dont understand that features = overhead
[02:58] <runlevelten> buggy, poorly written garbage, with an API that has the stability of quicksand.
[02:58] <volodya> hi. I looks like after suspend/resume, my laptop clock is not adjusted and remains whatever is was before suspect. How do I diagnose what's wrong?
[02:58] <dawiz> obviously not you blues
[02:58] <runlevelten> *porting* apps between different Gnome versions soon puts you off.
[02:58] <meditans> ciao a tutti
[02:59] <aldin> stdin, thanks, this actually helped me, it is in kdebase-dev thanks!
[02:59] <runlevelten> right, food!
[03:00] <buck> why do you have to port an app
[03:00] <Alloosh> hello all
[03:00] <Alloosh> I give up
[03:00] <Alloosh> I cant get this thing to work
[03:00] <Alloosh> will some one please please please help me
[03:00] <Alloosh> I cant share files between 2 computers
[03:00] <stdin> aldin: if you are compiling KDE apps, you'll probably want the kde-devel package (and yeah, I use the website to search for files in packages all the time)
[03:00] <buck> u still haveing trouble mating the network
[03:01] <Alloosh> yessssssssssssss
[03:01] <flaccid> Alloosh: cite an error message, i will help
[03:01] <Alloosh> ok
[03:01] <Alloosh> please tell me what to do exactly
[03:01] <flaccid> i already did that
[03:01] <Alloosh> I got everything to work except this
[03:01] <buck> just rmote in flaccid .. hhahahhaha
[03:01] <flaccid> please tell me your error, exactly...
[03:01] <Alloosh> I told you
[03:01] <flaccid> sorry what was it
[03:01] <Alloosh> I cant get the two computers together
[03:02] <flaccid> thats not an error thats a condition
[03:02] <Alloosh> one computer runs ubuntu and the other run xp
[03:02] <aldin> stdin, thanks, i will install kde-devel
[03:02] <runlevelten> buck: you have to port apps because of poor API stability
[03:02] <stdin> aldin: warning, it's massive
[03:02] <flaccid> Alloosh: did you try smbclient ?
[03:02] <Alloosh> how ?
[03:02] <Alloosh> can you give me step by step instructions
[03:02] <Alloosh> ?
[03:02] <runlevelten> Qt is ten times the toolkit, in my personal opinion :)
[03:02] <buck> ahh .. okay
[03:03] <Alloosh> I swear iam dumping the xp computer after I get my files
[03:03] <aldin> stdin, nevermind, btw i did apt-get build-dep kde-style-lipstik so it pulled some devel files before
[03:03] <buck> so if my app is not stable i should rebuild it in the DTE that i am gonna use it in mainly .
[03:03] <flaccid> Alloosh: smbclient -NL //<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:03] <flaccid> <IP_ADDRESS> being the IP of the Xp computer
[03:03] <arun> has anyone here tried the beta version of kde 4?
[03:03] <stdin> aldin: well kde-devel is really just a meta package that pull a lot of the same tings, and then some
[03:03] <buck> so read and see what DTE the program prefers and install it there?
[03:03] <Alloosh> can you please tell me what to do exactly
[03:03] <Alloosh> like how to open the stuff and edit
[03:04] <Alloosh> step by step please
[03:04] <runlevelten> buck: No. API stability affects how the program is implemented. It means whether the programming environment can be relied on to exist or work the same way in the next release.
[03:04] <BluesKaj> arun, i tried the suse live cd version...wouldn't boot
[03:04] <aldin> stdin, yap, i noticed it, btw i like that meta package so i dont bother like now hehe
[03:04] <flaccid> Alloosh: i just did. that command it to check that you can view the shares on the xp machine
[03:04] <Alloosh> can you give me the full comand
[03:05] <flaccid> [23:03]  <flaccid> Alloosh: smbclient -NL //<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:05] <flaccid> [23:03]  <flaccid> <IP_ADDRESS> being the IP of the Xp computer
[03:05] <buck> .. well .. i dont see a standard DTE for LINUX and this is gonna be a kick in the ass. why are the devs making so many DTEs when they should be standardizing on ONE and make it configurable
[03:05] <flaccid> that was the full command
[03:05] <flaccid> 2nd time..
[03:06] <Alloosh> ok
[03:06] <Alloosh> here is the error
[03:06] <flaccid> what is a DTE?
[03:06] <Alloosh> timeout connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:445
[03:06] <Alloosh> timeout connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:139
[03:06] <Alloosh> Error connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> (Operation already in progress)
[03:06] <buck> DESK TOP EDITIONS
[03:06] <runlevelten> buck: homogeny is only meaningful to the windows user. It means nothing and is of no technical use tbh.
[03:06] <flaccid> Alloosh: you need to substutue <IP_ADDRESS> with the LAN IP of the XP box
[03:06] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  have you installed samba ?
[03:06] <Alloosh> how?
[03:07] <Alloosh> yes I have samba
[03:07] <runlevelten> If you want to program to a platform that will exist for desktop apps, you have Qt and you have Gtk.
[03:07] <buck> edition .. i meant environment
[03:07] <flaccid> buck: linux is a kernel only.
[03:07] <Alloosh> would some one connect to me and fix please
[03:07] <BluesKaj> ok, smb4k samba browser ? try that
[03:07] <flaccid> Alloosh: already tried 4 times. giving up, sorry.
[03:07] <arun> BluesKaj: does opensuse still have the 5 cd install?
[03:07] <buck> yeah .. but if a program runs differently from DTE to DTE than this is a bottleneck
[03:07] <runlevelten> They don't. They play nice, tbh.
[03:08] <flaccid> buck: negative. its  different userland implementation
[03:08] <BluesKaj> dunno arun .mine was just the kde4 version live on one cd
[03:08] <arun> BluesKaj: ah ok
[03:08] <JRL01192> soo many new words JR needs to learn in linux *notesdown
[03:08] <buck> yeah .. but having to change api etc etc because of DTE issues is bull all programs should rely on the KERNAL not the DTE
[03:08] <arun> is gutsy gibbon going to have kde 4?
[03:08] <Alloosh> thanks anyway flaccid
[03:09] <Alloosh> any one else can help in that
[03:09] <Alloosh> ?
[03:09] <flaccid> buck: DTE is not standard, its not even de facto...
[03:09] <buck> i like haveing the power to change DTES its awesome..
[03:09] <runlevelten> buck: I don't think you're getting the point of what libs are for.
[03:09] <BluesKaj> Alloosh: sudo apt-get install smb4k
[03:09] <flaccid> buck: its a load of shite
[03:09] <buck> but dont you think it would be saner if all programs worked in all environments
[03:09] <runlevelten> buck: That's like saying "everyne who wants a car should start melting iron ore instead of buying one."
[03:09] <flaccid> BluesKaj: already did that. user not getting it :(
[03:10] <flaccid> buck: then there would be no such thing as a linux distro.
[03:10] <runlevelten> buck: You're talking about reimplementing a whole GUI toolkit for every app.
[03:10] <Alloosh> blueskaj, I have used that and its installed
[03:10] <buck> .. not at all .. i liek that i can choose what interface i want .. but programs should work in all interfaces equally
[03:10] <runlevelten> buck: there could be nothing more standards-averse.
[03:10] <stdin> buck: if the app doesn't run in all DEs, then it's the apps fault
[03:11] <buck> yeah .. i agree ..
[03:11] <runlevelten> stdin: Exactly, that's what standards are for.
[03:11] <buck> and like i said .. i have multiple DTEs so i can run an app where it likes to ru
[03:11] <buck> n
[03:11] <flaccid> one word
[03:11] <flaccid> actually two
[03:11] <buck> like fluxbox is a KDE type interface
[03:11] <flaccid> extensibility interoperability
[03:11] <runlevelten> it's trivial to test that your app docks, that your shortcuts are in the right places, that drag and drop is OK (within the limitations of the environment) and so on.
[03:12] <flaccid> buck: no it not at all
[03:12] <dawiz> i dont understand why nothing installs on this thinkpad
[03:12] <BluesKaj> ok Alloosh, run these cmnds in the terminal :sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt ,  then :sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbumount
[03:12] <flaccid> fluxbox is a window manager
[03:12] <buck> but i cant run ut2004 in KDE with out the flicker .. maybe the update fixed that i can in fluxbox
[03:12] <flaccid> buck: you never know till you work it out. dont assume.
[03:12] <runlevelten> right, really food this time.
[03:13] <buck> i dig this linux .. but just amazes me that there are so many different environments
[03:13] <buck> say i took out gui altogether
[03:13] <Alloosh> bluskaj, done
[03:13] <buck> everything should run fine in command line correct
[03:13] <BluesKaj> ok Alloosh, now open smb4k
[03:14] <dawiz> one of the things that makes nix great is all the options
[03:14] <Alloosh> bluskaj, how?
[03:14] <dawiz> linux is really just the kernel
[03:14] <buck> yeah .. but the builds are different the installers are different why cant linux start standardizing so it can beat up windows
[03:14] <BluesKaj> in the k-menu/utilities
[03:14] <championchap> bah, dont start that.. as dar as anyone needs to know, Linux is the whole thing
[03:15] <dawiz> eh
[03:15] <flaccid> buck: linux is a kernel only. that is the short answer.
[03:15] <buck> ieee should help it about
[03:15] <flaccid> lo
[03:15] <flaccid> linux is just a kernel
[03:15] <buck> seems so chatic
[03:15] <dawiz> linux is really just linus's kernel
[03:15] <Alloosh> blueskaj, can we please have a private chat ?
[03:15] <stdin> championchap: no linux is the kernel, GNU/Linux or U|Kbuntu is the OS
[03:15] <BluesKaj> ok Alloosh
[03:15] <genii> Bah. anyone deal with these "jmicron" sata/IDe chipsets yet? My new board has these., 6.06 doesn't like it. Can't find my 7.04 cd ...are there drivers for this chipset in newer releases?
[03:16] <buck> ahh .. okay .. i see .. now that makes more sense..
[03:16] <dawiz> linus's kernel and the gnu tools are the os
[03:16] <Alloosh> thanks blueskaj, where and how ?
[03:16] <stdin> !linux
[03:16] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[03:16] <stdin> see ^ :)
[03:16] <buck> okay .. there are differnt OS's in the community that are built on  a common kernal
[03:16] <buck> kernel
[03:16] <buck> yeah .. i was just typing that in stdin
[03:16] <buck> hhahah
[03:16] <genii> !jmicron
[03:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jmicron - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:16] <dawiz> everything else is just flavoring
[03:16] <dawiz> lol
[03:16] <buck> now i see .. so its got flavor
[03:17] <stdin> buck: that's why we have the bot, saves typing :p
[03:17] <championchap> I know that, but to the average user what does it really matter?
[03:17] <flaccid> this is quite arguable...
[03:17] <BluesKaj> look at the tabs Alloosh, my nick should be there
[03:17] <dawiz> and ppl like many dif flavors
[03:17] <buck> well than i can see .. so how long does it take to find the flavor of the month
[03:17] <dawiz> to the avg use it doesnt really
[03:17] <stdin> championchap: so, to "the average user" Windows is the computer, not even a concept of an OS
[03:18] <buck> hahaha
[03:18] <buck> window woot
[03:18] <genii> If you want to get an idea of how many OS are out there just go to distrowatch
[03:18] <flaccid> but there is only 1 m$ :p
[03:18] <championchap> bah, fine.. all I was getting at is it's about as important to most people as if its Linux or GNU/Linux or whatever
[03:18] <buck> thats why i asked what in your oppinion is the best DTE and everyone has a diffente one.. but i think KDE stands out the most
[03:18] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  which IRC client are you on ?
[03:19] <buck> FB is built on that
[03:19] <buck> and its cool
[03:19] <dawiz> its nice that ubuntu and other distros are preconfiguring and simplifying things i think tho
[03:19] <flaccid> buck: no such thing as a DTE!
[03:19] <buck> !dte
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dte - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <flaccid> haha
[03:19] <buck> jahhaha
[03:19] <flaccid> prove me wrong
[03:19] <Alloosh> yes
[03:19] <Alloosh> how
[03:19] <buck> well apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <Alloosh> and where ?
[03:19] <buck> says differently
[03:20] <stdin> buck: DE = Desktop Environment
[03:20] <buck> ok
[03:20] <dawiz> i used to run slack for a while
[03:20] <buck> !DE
[03:20] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:20] <dawiz> couple years
[03:20] <stdin> buck: ie: desktop is one word
[03:20] <buck> .. and that duech
[03:20] <buck> hjahah a
[03:20] <dawiz> then i got an ibook g4
[03:20] <buck> yeah .. well in my world its 2
[03:20] <BluesKaj> Alloosh: look athe tabs , you'll see my nick , click on it
[03:20] <dawiz> loved darwin really
[03:20] <flaccid> DTE != DE
[03:20] <buck> how abot DtE
[03:20] <buck> hahaha
[03:20] <dawiz> installed kubuntu on my g4
[03:20] <championchap> both desk and top are seperate words, who decided they should be merged?
[03:21] <flaccid> negative
[03:21] <Alloosh> did
[03:21] <Alloosh> and nothing happened
[03:21] <buck> as the t is small indicates its part of the D
[03:21] <dawiz> but no support for ppc flahplayer and thingsa made me just stick to darwin
[03:21] <stdin> championchap: it's one word, because it describes something
[03:21] <buck> darwin
[03:21] <genii> Interestingly, Ubuntu is currently 1 at distrowatch and Debian is 6  LOL
[03:21] <dawiz> then the g4 mobo took a dump
[03:21] <buck> !darmin
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about darmin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <buck> !darwin
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about darwin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <dawiz> darwin*
[03:21] <Alloosh> thats wqhat I received
[03:21] <Alloosh> Received CTCP 'DCC CHAT chat<PHONE_NUMBER> 1026' (to Alloosh) from BluesKaj
[03:21] <buck> hmm ..
[03:21] <buck> what is ithis darwin
[03:21] <buck> is it a DE
[03:22] <dawiz> mac osX
[03:22] <dawiz> or openBSD
[03:22] <buck> or its MAC
[03:22] <championchap> So why not Remotecontrol?
[03:22] <flaccid> darwin is an older version of mac os x. 10.4 iirc
[03:22] <dawiz> i went back to slack for a while and remembered how much of a headache it was to set everything up
[03:22] <buck> what is slack?
[03:22] <buck> !slack
[03:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about slack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:22] <stdin> buck: slackware
[03:23] <buck> !slackware
[03:23] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[03:23] <dawiz> and pat just released slack 12 so 11 was really outdated by the time i went back to slack
[03:23] <buck> why is ubuntu not slackware
[03:23] <championchap> 12 is out? wow, the 11 release seemed to take forever
[03:23] <stdin> buck: why is the sun not the moon?
[03:23] <dawiz> i figured since kubuntu worked so well with my apple hardware id give a shot on this new box
[03:23] <stdin> buck: because they are different
[03:24] <hw__> Adept manager tells me that another (apt) appliction is already running, but it isn't. Which lock file(s) I've to remove?
[03:24] <dawiz> i havce to say im liking it
[03:24] <flaccid> why is my penis not large
[03:24] <buck> .. well says other linux distubutions .. fedora would seam not to be slack ware
[03:24] <flaccid> !lock
[03:24] <JRL01192> slackware is a headache but it rewards when you finish the problem
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <BluesKaj> Alloosh: nevermind the private chat, you prolly aren't registered
[03:24] <dawiz> but if i were running a server id be back in slack with a quickness
[03:24] <stdin> flaccid: i was tempted to say !coc :p
[03:24] <flaccid> im not sure genitals is in the CoC
[03:24] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  sudo apt-get install smb4k
[03:25] <buck> well slack ware is like more secure .. or do you .. build your own kernel ..
[03:25] <flaccid> ffs
[03:25] <Alloosh> done blueskaj
[03:25] <dawiz> depends on what i need to use an os for
[03:25] <buck> im just a newb sorry for tall the questions.l.
[03:25] <dawiz> this is a personal box at home
[03:25] <flaccid> if you want secure secure, don't use linux
[03:25] <stdin> buck: slackware isn't necessarily more secure that ubuntu
[03:25] <dawiz> i jusat need a stable computing platform for basic functions at home
[03:25] <stdin> if you want secure, don't turn your computer on
[03:26] <dawiz> slack is more stable
[03:26] <flaccid> dawiz: kubuntu is fine
[03:26] <BluesKaj> ok Alloosh , open it in the k-menu/utilities
[03:26] <dawiz> i like kubuntu
[03:26] <buck> okay .. people tell me to run fedora
[03:26] <dawiz> i dont need the headache of slack right now
[03:26] <Alloosh> how blueskaj?
[03:26] <flaccid> buck: run fedora
[03:26] <dawiz> forget fedora
[03:26] <stdin> buck: people tell me to eat more fruit, doesn't mean I will :p
[03:26] <championchap> eugh, i hated fedora 5
[03:26] <flaccid> eat more fruit
[03:27] <stdin> no
[03:27] <stdin> :)
[03:27] <buck> my brother swears upon it.. never seems to get it running on his systems tho
[03:27] <buck> hahaha
[03:27] <flaccid> try more distros... whatever..
[03:27] <dawiz> their is no need to go through the hassle of doing anything else with this computer kubuntu meets all my needs
[03:27] <championchap> get him on Gentoo
[03:27] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  do you see the blue icon with letter K down in the panel?
[03:27] <flaccid> people love to swear on something they know nothing about...
[03:27] <buck> yeah .. im telling you .. i am having more success
[03:27] <stdin> buck: just like applications, you should try them all and pick the one YOU like, not the one they TELL you to like
[03:27] <Alloosh> blueskaj, NO!
[03:27] <flaccid> 'i swear on this' 'why', 'i just do'
[03:27] <dawiz> i think i might go to str8 deb tho, if i get bored with the simplicity
[03:27] <buck> with ubuntu/kubuntu/fb
[03:28] <dawiz> lol
[03:28] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  are on Kubuntu or ubuntu
[03:28] <buck> i messed with debian before ..
[03:28] <flaccid> most people that swear on stuff have no idea.
[03:28] <dawiz> i just like apt-get
[03:28] <Alloosh> ok
[03:28] <Alloosh> ok
[03:28] <dawiz> lol
[03:28] <Alloosh> got you
[03:28] <championchap> Ubuntu and Debian are pretty similar really
[03:28] <dawiz> it rocks
[03:28] <Alloosh> iam ubuntu
[03:28] <dawiz> the repositories are immense
[03:28] <Alloosh> I have to go to ubuntu chat right ?
[03:28] <buck> yeah and knoppix
[03:28] <dawiz> yeah they are
[03:28] <buck> i tried redhat hated it .. and mandrake
[03:29] <flaccid> the debian system is just better than rpm . its pretty simple
[03:29] <buck> i seemed to like the debian base distros
[03:29] <JRL01192> isn't apt-get pretty new to the linux community
[03:29] <dawiz> man packages in slack can be a pain sometimes
[03:29] <buck> for ease
[03:29] <BluesKaj> it should be in the program menu Alloosh
[03:29] <flaccid> JRL01192: nope
[03:29] <championchap> first time i played with Linux at all i used the SLAX Live CD.  BSD i tried that ones
[03:31] <JRL01192> slack is infamous for updating kernels
[03:31] <dawiz> lol
[03:31] <BluesKaj> Alloosh:  but yes, you should join #ubuntu chat
[03:31] <dawiz> slack 12 has 2.6 now
[03:31] <buck> so this sytem updates kernels 2 times  a year
[03:32] <flaccid> bsd never updates kernels. sweet.
[03:32] <dawiz> it was always standard in slack to update the kernel upon install since stock is a 2.4
[03:32] <JRL01192> :)
[03:32] <buck> its not that hard to update kernal .. correct
[03:32] <buck> i just have to configure kernel
[03:32] <JRL01192> lol if you want the benifits that is
[03:32] <dawiz> i dont think its too hard
[03:32] <buck> and load in the latest one
[03:33] <dawiz> tons of howtos out there
[03:33] <JRL01192> if you don't*
[03:33] <flaccid> rarely is there benefits...
[03:33] <buck> yeah .  i did it
[03:33] <buck> was long and hard
[03:33] <buck> and didnt work . haha h
[03:33] <flaccid> feel free to tell me the benefits
[03:33] <buck> so now i am affraid
[03:33] <JRL01192> lol I remember everytime I try to update the slackware KErnel it always crashed on me
[03:33] <JRL01192> it was like 98% success rate
[03:33] <flaccid> ubuntu installs and updates grub kernel wise for you
[03:34] <dawiz> never had an issue in slack with the kernel
[03:34] <dawiz> only upgraded the kernel a couple times tho
[03:34] <buck> so 7.10 should install on its own
[03:34] <JRL01192> I never upgraded the kernel since it was soo old
[03:34] <dawiz> i wish something wouldve installed on this old thinkpad
[03:35] <dawiz> i cant believe im installing winblows
[03:35] <flaccid> if a kernel update is available it will do it and update grub
[03:35] <buck> benifits of kernel updating are like /usb support / epci etc etc
[03:35] <buck> hardware mods to the core ..
[03:35] <dawiz> yep to go wifi in slack i updated the kernel
[03:35] <JRL01192> :)
[03:36] <dawiz> that was like slack 9
[03:36] <flaccid> buck: negative
[03:36] <buck> i was amazed when i plugged in my USB wifi .. and it found it a.. and allowed me to install my bc43xx
[03:36] <JRL01192> good ol slack days there was never a day I wasn't pissed
[03:36] <flaccid> a point release of the 2.6 kernel aint going to give you anything
[03:36] <dawiz> lol
[03:36] <dawiz> yeah teaches you alot about nix tho
[03:37] <JRL01192> hell yes
[03:37] <buck> kernel how to has been removed for review
[03:37] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
[03:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:37] <buck> sorry for the off topic
[03:37] <buck> !language
[03:37] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:38] <flaccid> !language > flaccid
[03:38] <BluesKaj> ppl are reluctant to ask questions if there's too much "insider" talk going on
[03:38] <buck> !language | flaccid
[03:38] <ubotu> flaccid: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:38] <dawiz> they are?
[03:38] <flaccid> danke
[03:38] <stdin> dawiz: yes
[03:39] <buck> yeah .. i understand ..
[03:39] <buck> im learning how to rebuild my kernel
[03:39] <dawiz> not sure what you base that on
[03:39] <JRL01192> how do I disable a connection in nestat?
[03:39] <dawiz> man netstat
[03:39] <championchap> if everyone is talking about compiling software from source etc, then the "noobs" will feel like idiots for not knowing how to use the update manager or something
[03:39] <buck> netstat --help
[03:40] <happytiger> Openoffice has been  broken in gutsy for nearly 3 weeks now anybody nows why and status on this?
[03:40] <stdin> JRL01192: you stop the process that's connected
[03:40] <ubuntu______> !op
[03:40] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[03:40] <stdin> happytiger: #ubuntu+1
[03:40] <dawiz> sounds like low self esteem to me
[03:40] <dawiz> lol
[03:40] <BluesKaj> dawiz:  if you want prove yer knowledge, then help someone
[03:41] <buck> !kdesystemguard
[03:41] <dawiz> got a question?
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdesystemguard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <happytiger> :-) thx stdin
[03:41] <buck> !kde system guard
[03:41] <dawiz> no ones askin
[03:41] <dawiz> beem a minute
[03:41] <buck> kde system gaurd looks like a utility that can do that
[03:41] <stdin> michalek: why did you call !op?
[03:42] <michalek> i don't know
[03:42] <michalek> what can id o
[03:43] <buck> what is this sytem guard
[03:43] <stdin> michalek: if you abuse the !op call then you can be kicked or banned
[03:43] <dawiz> i dont know everything obviuosly, but what i do know i love to share as free and open  knowledge
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ubuntu___: ?
[03:43] <ksivaji> stdin hi
[03:43] <ksivaji> !lamp
[03:43] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[03:43] <dawiz> kinda like my os
[03:43] <Hobbsee> michalek: ?
[03:43] <michalek> stdin: oh ok i will never do it again
[03:44] <stdin> michalek: only do that if you need the ops help, if there is someone ignoring the rules
[03:44] <flaccid> !info ksysguard
[03:44] <ubotu> ksysguard: system guard for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 (feisty), package size 508 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[03:44] <michalek> ok
[03:44] <buck> seams like i have XORG running
[03:44] <ksivaji> lol
[03:44] <stdin> buck: yes, that's what gives you graphics :p
[03:45] <buck> !watchdog
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about watchdog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <buck> wb massi_
[03:45] <dawiz> man xp took about an hour to format this 10gb hd
[03:45] <dawiz> lol
[03:46] <Riddell> michalek: hmm?
[03:46] <buck> an hour damn that a long time
[03:46] <Dr_willis> dawiz,  ive noticed that xp is amazingly slow in formating..
[03:46] <flaccid> buck: where did you get 'watchdog' from?
[03:46] <Dr_willis> the quick format options rarely seem quicker
[03:46] <buck> its in my process table
[03:46] <dawiz> nope it was almost as slow
[03:46] <flaccid> buck: in kubuntu?
[03:46] <dawiz> i started over thinking something was wrong it was so slow
[03:47] <buck> .. i am in FB which i believe is based on KDE
[03:47] <flaccid> FB?
[03:47] <dawiz> buck: have you tried icewm
[03:47] <runlevelten> it's not.
[03:47] <dawiz> ?
[03:47] <runlevelten> buck: it's not.
[03:47] <buck> fluxbox
[03:47] <Dr_willis> FB?
[03:47] <flaccid> fluxbox nothing to do with kde
[03:47] <Dr_willis> Fluxbox is not based on kde at all.
[03:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:47] <dawiz> try icewm you might like it
[03:47] <buck> .. really .. well it show more KDE tools than KDE does
[03:48] <Dr_willis> blackbox,openbox,flusbox,
[03:48] <Dr_willis> shows where?
[03:48] <buck> when i click on screen
[03:48] <Dr_willis> You mean the app menus?
[03:48] <runlevelten> that's a text file - ~/.fluxbox/menu
[03:48] <flaccid> watchdog must be some kernel thang or somehing.there is a swsoft product called the same, but i can' be that
[03:48] <buck> yeah .. show more k -- programs
[03:48] <buck> kde has lot less
[03:48] <flaccid> lol whats a kde tool heh
[03:48] <JRL01192> !klogd
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about klogd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <PhinnFort> !find ksyslog
[03:49] <runlevelten> buck: lots of stuff has been gutted out of the kmenu in kubuntu.
[03:49] <Dr_willis> most all the menu items are generated on the fly, on myt systems fluxbox and kde, show about the same stuff.. I normally clean out the menus greately. :)
[03:49] <ubotu> Package/file ksyslog does not exist in feisty
[03:49] <PhinnFort> !find ksystemlog
[03:49] <ubotu> Found: ksystemlog
[03:49] <PhinnFort> !info ksystemlog
[03:49] <ubotu> ksystemlog: log viewing application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.2-0ubuntu5 (feisty), package size 192 kB, installed size 692 kB
[03:49] <flaccid> mysef, i don't care about the menus so much.i care about stabiility which is lacking a lot of the time
[03:49] <buck> icecream .. i can apt-get install icecream
[03:50] <PhinnFort> tried tastymenu?
[03:50] <PhinnFort> it's an excellent k-menu replacement
[03:50] <JRL01192> thnks
[03:50] <buck> watchdog .. this is PID 3 ..
[03:50] <buck> what exactly does this watch
[03:50] <runlevelten> I use alt f2 in kubuntu. the k menu is basically useless now.
[03:51] <runlevelten> half the apps are missing, the hierarchy's been stuffed up, etc.
[03:51] <PhinnFort> buck: your systems responsivity
[03:51] <Allergen_> hi all
[03:51] <buck> .. you mention system responsivity ?>?
[03:51] <buck> thats what watchdog is
[03:51] <PhinnFort> runlevelten: try moving the .local dir in your home dir somewhere else
[03:51] <PhinnFort> buck: if your system hangs, it's supposed to reboot it for you
[03:51] <PhinnFort> afaik
[03:52] <buck> ahh .. cool ..
[03:52] <buck> thank you
[03:52] <Allergen_> ( someone who knows how to compilate SDL? )
[03:52] <buck> im still haveing difficult time with midi
[03:52] <flaccid> Allergen_: you don't need to compile sdl?
[03:52] <dawiz> midi?
[03:52] <flaccid> !midi
[03:52] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[03:52] <PhinnFort> yw
[03:52] <dawiz> whats the trouble?
[03:52] <Allergen_> flaccid: i d like to use sdl in programs
[03:52] <buck> i will try this again
[03:53] <flaccid> Allergen_: install the package sdl
[03:53] <Allergen_> flaccid: but when i compilate and execute ... nothing hapen
[03:53] <flaccid> my bad
[03:53] <Allergen_> flaccid: i ve got librairies
[03:53] <flaccid> Allergen_: im just looking now. the libraries should all be thats required
[03:54] <runlevelten> thanks PhinnFort.
[03:54] <Allergen_> flaccid : i juste ust the Konsole witg gcc command, to compilate
[03:54] <PhinnFort> runlevelten: np
[03:54] <michalek> how can i get to my files by kubuntu?
[03:55] <Dr_willis> michalek,  clarify that a bit....
[03:55] <buck> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/doc/timidity-patches-eaw/examples/timidity.cfg': No such file or directory
[03:55] <buck> i get this error
[03:55] <flaccid> Allergen_: why are you compiling sdl?
[03:55] <flaccid> michalek: using mouse?
[03:55] <Dr_willis> On IRC it pays to be very clear and concise. :) but not overly verbose.
[03:55] <buck> its not needed .. okay ..
[03:55] <dawiz> buck: your prolly typing something wrong
[03:55] <flaccid> buck: there file does not exist
[03:55] <buck> no . copy paste
[03:56] <buck> okay . now i will to timidity myfile.mid.. (myfile = crawling.mid)
[03:56] <michalek> ok but i have windows and now i'm using kubuntu live-cd
[03:56] <buck> and nothing
[03:56] <dawiz> buck: $man cp
[03:56] <Allergen_> flaccid: i want to learn how to open windows from a program-C, and i d like to make games later
[03:56] <runlevelten> I really need to get off my backside and get an alternative kmenu built for kubuntu at some point.
[03:57] <flaccid> Allergen_: learn how to program
[03:57] <ksivaji> when i restart my apache server i am not getting any ok message or something which intimate that apache is restarted
[03:57] <Allergen_> flaccid: in fact i want to use ths sdl fonctions... and i d like to compilate my programme in c
[03:57] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart.
[03:57] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart.
[03:57] <PhinnFort> yes
[03:57] <Allergen_> flaccid: i know the C
[03:57] <buck> how do i change that cp
[03:57] <Allergen_> flaccid: but i don t know how to compilate projetc
[03:57] <flaccid> Allergen_: if you are having problems, we dont support programming here
[03:57] <Dr_willis> michalek,  look in /media/ see if your windows drive is shown there.
[03:57] <buck> still wants to go there .. because i pointed it to something that doesnt exsist
[03:57] <Dr_willis> michalek,  or in media:/ in the filemanager
[03:58] <buck> man cp thanks
[03:58] <Allergen_> flaccid: it ' s not programming program
[03:58] <Allergen_> flaccid : problem*
[03:58] <flaccid> Allergen_: show me a specific error message then
[03:59] <buck> i dont konw man
[03:59] <buck> grrr
[03:59] <flaccid> buck: you can't copy a file that doesn't exist
[03:59] <buck> i know ..
[03:59] <flaccid> the question is why it doesn't exist
[03:59] <flaccid> etc.
[04:00] <buck> but now i did that .. when i type timidity xxx.mid gives me error
[04:00] <flaccid> sorry can't help there
[04:00] <NickPresta> ksivaji, depending on the script in /etc/init.d/apache, you won't get a confirmation message after restart - I know I don't. Open up /etc/init.d/apache2 and see the section for restart and if it outputs anything...
[04:01] <ksivaji> NickPresta ho ok ok
[04:01] <buck> i think i am figuring this out ..
[04:01] <flaccid> yeah i don't think apache2ctl (which is inappropriately renamed) outputs success agreed NickPresta
[04:01] <stdin> ksivaji: edited /etc/default/apache2 yet?
[04:02] <NickPresta> I wrote my own /etc/init.d/apache so I only get output for "status"
[04:02] <flaccid> you can do sudo apache2ctl graceful for a lot of minor config changes
[04:02] <Allergen_> flaccid: i dont know how to compilate in fact
[04:02] <stdin> ksivaji: you need to change NO_START=1 to NO_START=0
[04:02] <Allergen_> esteban@ubuntu:~/C$ sudo gcc sdltest.c -o programme -lSDL
[04:02] <Allergen_> esteban@ubuntu:~/C$ ./programme
[04:02] <Allergen_> and nothing happen
[04:02] <flaccid> NickPresta: sorry that we don't support your script....
[04:02] <flaccid> !compile
[04:02] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:02] <Allergen_> thanks
[04:03] <buck> how do i un cp something
[04:03] <NickPresta> flaccid, I'm well aware you don't :-) I was simply pointing out that I don't have a vanilla installation of apache and I don't have the same /etc/init.d/apache script so I can't check myself.
[04:03] <dawiz> rm
[04:03] <flaccid> buck: not possible
[04:03] <stdin> buck: rm = remove
[04:04] <flaccid> NickPresta: np. we support ubuntu packages here....not your 3rd party.
[04:04] <ksivaji> stdin NickPresta  i cant configure my apache server ?
[04:04] <buck> its cp
[04:04] <NickPresta> ksivaji, what do you mean?
[04:04] <buck> i think cp points rather
[04:04] <flaccid> !apache
[04:04] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[04:04] <flaccid> buck: cp is just a command to copy.. you cant undo
[04:04] <buck> ahh cool
[04:05] <buck> thanks
[04:05] <ksivaji> flaccid ya that is what  i used to configure still i cant do
[04:05] <dawiz> you can remove what you copied tho
[04:05] <ksivaji> i have two apache server 1.3 and 2
[04:05] <buck> /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory
[04:05] <buck> timidity: Can't read any configuration file
[04:05] <buck> /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory
[04:05] <buck> timidity: Can't read any configuration file
[04:05] <flaccid> ksivaji: dont know what you are talking about
[04:05] <flaccid> !pastebin
[04:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:06] <flaccid> !info timidity
[04:06] <ubotu> timidity: Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13.2-11ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 541 kB, installed size 1704 kB
[04:06] <NickPresta> ksivaji, you have compiled apache (both 1.3 and 2) from source? Or did you install them via repository?
[04:06] <buck> okay ..
[04:07] <buck> found that its not there..
[04:07] <ksivaji> via repository
[04:07] <flaccid> buck: you could touch /usr/local/share/timidity/timidity.cfg but thats not going to create  config. consult timidity doco
[04:07] <NickPresta> ksivaji, did you install them following the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[04:07] <flaccid> ksivaji: you only what 1 or 2. i prefer 1
[04:07] <dawiz> what are you trying to do with timidity?
[04:07] <dawiz> install?
[04:08] <buck> there is not timidity dir in usr/local
[04:08] <flaccid> buck: indeed
[04:08] <ksivaji> NickPresta yes
[04:08] <flaccid> you might need to create them, but that may not help. i would be reading the doco of it
[04:08] <buck> but i installed it like it said ..
[04:08] <NickPresta> ksivaji, so what do you mean that you cannot configure apache?
[04:08] <buck> and says i already have the version when i try and redo it
[04:08] <dawiz> installed with no errors?
[04:08] <joao> !ati
[04:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:09] <dawiz> did you compile from source?
[04:09] <buck> where is the docu
[04:09] <dawiz> prolly the readme in the timidity folder
[04:09] <ksivaji> NickPresta i mean i followed the instruction given in that link still i am not getting
[04:09] <flaccid> buck: google.
[04:09] <flaccid> buck: 1st result.
[04:10] <ksivaji> NickPresta can you get me ?
[04:10] <NickPresta> ksivaji, well, assuming the installation went fine, you need to edit your httpd.conf (called apache2.conf if you installed from repo. according to the link). You should take a few minutes to look through it and edit what you need.
[04:10] <newbram> being new to kubuntu and having trouble with one step of getting kde 4 beta 1 to work, can I bother someone?
[04:11] <NickPresta> ksivaji, you need to restart after any changes too: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[04:11] <flaccid> newbram: not here. try #ubuntu+1
[04:11] <dawiz> whats up new?
[04:11] <newbram> okay, thanks
[04:11] <joao> kubuntu for default brings soft in C development? gcc?
[04:11] <ksivaji> NickPresta ok i will try once again
[04:11] <buck> grrtrrrr
[04:11] <newbram> i'll go to #ubuntu+1
[04:11] <buck> i have been on this for days now
[04:12] <flaccid> buck: what are you trying to achev
[04:12] <flaccid> achieve
[04:12] <NickPresta> joao, I believe you need to install build-essential (sudo apt-get install build-essential)
[04:12] <buck> well i have a midi keyboard.. and i want to beable to play it o
[04:12] <buck> but alsa doesnt rec my onboard midi
[04:13] <buck> and everyone say install timidity
[04:13] <dawiz> not familaiar with midi sequencers
[04:13] <joao> NickPresta: ok thanks :)
[04:13] <buck> and here i am with that fruitless install instructions
[04:13] <dawiz> esp in nix
[04:13] <flaccid> thats linux
[04:13] <flaccid> it sux
[04:13] <dawiz> would be nice to run rane serato in nix tho
[04:14] <buck> so back to viewing some porn ..  and more vicodine
[04:14] <dawiz> lol
[04:14] <runlevelten> I'd help you with it, but I've never been near setting up a midi keyboard, heh
[04:14] <flaccid> buck: did you try the wiki first?
[04:15] <buck> wiki for the midi
[04:15] <dawiz> buck i dont think thats very well charted territory in nix yet
[04:15] <flaccid> buck: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[04:15] <flaccid> yes..
[04:15] <flaccid> if that doesn't work , nothing willl...
[04:15] <buck> yeah .. thats what i do ..
[04:15] <dawiz> if you use lots of music gear you need a mac really
[04:16] <dawiz> protools
[04:16] <buck> hahaha ..
[04:16] <buck> i want to prove i dont need windows
[04:16] <dawiz> mac isnt windows
[04:16] <Dr_willis> go back to the C64 - Sid Tunes Rocked!
[04:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:16] <dawiz> its unix
[04:16] <flaccid> depends on what you are doing
[04:16] <buck> and if i can get my m-audio e49 working ..
[04:16] <flaccid> rosegarden + audacity = np
[04:16] <buck> i will prove that
[04:17] <flaccid> buck: is that usb
[04:17] <ksivaji> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[04:17] <buck> yes
[04:17] <buck> i installed rosegarden
[04:17] <buck> and it sees my device
[04:17] <flaccid> buck: i think i've had that one working before
[04:17] <buck> but it doesnt record the keystrokes
[04:17] <ksivaji> please someone paste that line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:17] <ksivaji> this*
[04:18] <buck> i can set it up as input device tho.. its cool that it found it ..
[04:18] <Dr_willis>  ls -l /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[04:18] <Dr_willis> ls: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[04:18] <Dr_willis> I dont have one either. :)
[04:18] <flaccid> ksivaji: the file doesn't exist on your system. reinstall the package after purging it.
[04:18] <genii> httpd.conf is not a needed file nowadays
[04:18] <buck> if i can get it working .. than  i can throw away windows..
[04:19] <flaccid> genii: since when. its the main httpd conf
[04:19] <buck> i think i need the sound packages
[04:19] <buck> thats what its looking for
[04:19] <flaccid> what sound packages?
[04:19] <flaccid> do a file search on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:20] <buck> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Three_Steps_to_MIDI_on_Linux
[04:20] <dawiz> if you want throw away windows, and use music gear, and really any multimedia for that matter, then buy a mac
[04:20] <dawiz> unless basic multimedia stuff
[04:20] <joao> Open the restricted drivers manager included in 7.04 "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager" and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". This will hopefully enable fglrx in a painless way. If not, follow the instructions for Edgy.    and for KDE whic menus i use?
[04:20] <flaccid> lots of people stlll do audio on unix
[04:20] <buck> when i can install mac on a more robust system sure
[04:20] <dawiz> well mac is unix
[04:20] <buck> i will get mac
[04:20] <genii> flaccid: It's just a placeholder file with no contents anymore sincde apache went from 1.3 series to 2
[04:21] <dawiz> robust sytem?
[04:21] <buck> but 2400 for a 1300 system iis not good
[04:21] <dawiz> the new macs are pretty damn robust
[04:21] <flaccid> genii: correct. its not a good thing.
[04:21] <dawiz> and powerpc owned
[04:21] <flaccid> apache projects hates debian for its implementation of apache..
[04:21] <dawiz> well win wont install either
[04:21] <cloakable> Hehe
[04:21] <dawiz> lol
[04:21] <dawiz> bad drive
[04:21] <dawiz> that explains why nothing installs
[04:21] <dawiz> lol
[04:22] <ksivaji> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 66 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: ServerRoot must be a valid directory
[04:22] <buck> i like the MAC os but its too narrow..
[04:22] <dawiz> must be some bad blocks
[04:22] <ksivaji> please paste that line here
[04:22] <dawiz> narrow?
[04:22] <dawiz> have you used osX lately?
[04:23] <buck> ... its built for yesterdays technology
[04:23] <dawiz> how do you figure?
[04:23] <buck> .. no i see that a 7300 nvidia was a dumb idea
[04:23] <flaccid> ksivaji: ServerRoot "/etc/apache2"
[04:23] <buck> when they could have put a top of the line gtx in it
[04:23] <zecrazytux> hey
[04:23] <buck> for the money that you pay \
[04:23] <buck> overpriced HW is what mac is about
[04:24] <zecrazytux> is it possible to show the previous user session in KDM ?
[04:24] <buck> very stable .. system .. and for the media its great . but does not justify  the overpiceing of the system
[04:24] <dawiz> gtx?
[04:24] <buck> the gtx line of the nvidia gpu
[04:24] <dawiz> its spendy
[04:24] <dawiz> ohj
[04:24] <dawiz> i prefer ati
[04:25] <buck> .. yeah .. but you are paying 1500 more for the system
[04:25] <dawiz> more than what sytem?
[04:25] <buck> why not put high end graphix card in i t..
[04:25] <ksivaji> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache/modules.conf: No such file or directory
[04:25] <genii> ksivaji: Do you have anything in directory /etc/apache2/sites-enabled   ? eg: 000-default    or so
[04:25] <buck> ECC memory .. again OVERPRICED .
[04:25] <dawiz> it does have a high end gfx card
[04:26] <buck> they should go with 2 core2 duos and a high end graphix card..
[04:26] <flaccid> ksivaji: reinstall apache2 after purging it, or learn apache
[04:26] <ksivaji> genii yes i have one file text mysite in that dir
[04:26] <buck> you are not running a server on the MAC .. why the ECC memory
[04:26] <buck> dumb
[04:26] <genii> ksivaji: I'm noticing you are trying to use some apache1 dir in an apache2 conf file
[04:26] <dawiz> 2 core duos is pushing it for 1-2k
[04:26] <zecrazytux> please, is it possible to show the previous user session in KDM ?
[04:26] <buck> i have the eawpats
[04:27] <dawiz> and what laptop can you get better than a mac for the money?
[04:27] <dawiz> mac desktops i would never buy
[04:27] <genii> ksivaji: eg: Could not open the configuration file /etc/apache/modules.conf      <-- note apache and not apache2 here
[04:27] <flaccid> ksivaji: its wierd how your apache2 is referencing apache 1...
[04:27] <buck> mac  tops are cool .. and are better priced than thier desktops
[04:27] <dawiz> mac laptops own
[04:28] <flaccid> they suck
[04:28] <ksivaji> genii flaccid ya what to do i think i have  both apache 2 and 1.3
[04:28] <dawiz> all laptops are proprietary
[04:28] <[ifr0g] > I am using dhcp on two interfaces, and only the first work.  How can i make it work on both ?
[04:28] <dawiz> mac laptops rule
[04:28] <BluesKaj> !offtopic | dawiz buck
[04:28] <ubotu> dawiz buck: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:28] <flaccid> ksivaji: like i said. remove all via purge then install apache2 only
[04:28] <dawiz> lol
[04:28] <ksivaji> ok
[04:28] <genii> ksivaji: Yes, I would recommend that also
[04:28] <flaccid> find me a dual dvi notebook please
[04:29] <dawiz> blues are you like the kubuntu police?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> dawiz, buck yer filling the chat with mac talk ...pls leave room for kubuntu questions and answers
[04:30] <Hobbsee> dawiz: there are many ops around.
[04:30] <buck> hahah
[04:30] <dawiz> like where?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> do you really need to know?
[04:30] <buck> cops
[04:30] <dawiz> i dont see any ops
[04:31] <dawiz> sorry for the small talk geez
[04:31] <buck> bow now to the popo
[04:31] <Hobbsee> dawiz: that's because they stay deop'd, so as not to arouse questions
[04:31] <heeven> !ati
[04:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:31] <dawiz> lol
[04:31] <The_Machine> for some reason everything i bring up that's KDE related is giving me this error message:  Could not find mime type application/octet-stream
[04:32] <dawiz> you base the staements not on fact
[04:32] <The_Machine> If i click on "OK" then the app will launch.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> git.
[04:32] <dawiz> lol
[04:33] <dawiz> so anal
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ....
[04:33] <dawiz> lol
[04:33] <heeven> anal?
[04:33] <heeven> :p
[04:34] <BluesKaj> The_Machine: i had the same problem yesterday , just login and out, it may solve your prob
[04:34] <The_Machine> BluesKaj, i rebooted, it's still there.
[04:34] <dawiz> do you think i really give a fuck im here to help if your going to harass me and play hall monitor you can shove it and ill take my help elsewhere
[04:34] <Hobbsee> !language | dawiz
[04:34] <ubotu> dawiz: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:34] <genii> The_Machine: Do you have in /etc/mime.types   the entry  application/octet-stream                        bin              ?
[04:34] <zecrazytux> is there a way to show the output of a command in KDM, please ?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> dawiz: i just read the backscroll - how is talking about macs "helping"?
[04:34] <dawiz> there is nothing going on
[04:34] <dawiz> small talk
[04:35] <Hobbsee> dawiz: i suspect you want #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:35] <dawiz> with someone i was trying to help
[04:36] <dawiz> it wasnt off topic actually because we were discussing his midi sequencer and i suggested a mac very on the topic of midi sequencers
[04:36] <The_Machine> gene_, yes.  application/octet-stream			bin
[04:36] <The_Machine> sorry, genii
[04:36] <dawiz> so dont talk to anyone in here unless im answering a question about kubuntu?
[04:36] <ksivaji> still i am getting same error "apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache/modules.conf: No such file or directory"
[04:36] <dawiz> is that what your saying?
[04:36] <ksivaji> genii flaccid
[04:37] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[04:37] <dawiz> ???
[04:37] <Gh0Sty2K> Hi
[04:37] <dawiz> thats essentially im perceiving here
[04:37] <genii> The_Machine: Is there a space or tab between application/octet-stream   and bin or squished together like you pasted?
[04:37] <Gh0Sty2K> I have installed the server version of ubuntu how do i enable the visual environment?
[04:37] <The_Machine> space
[04:37] <The_Machine> it just pasted weird.
[04:37] <zecrazytux> is there a way to show the output of a command in KDM, please ?
[04:38] <genii> ksivaji: You didn't obviously use the purge when you uninstalled it or that would have wiped out the old conf files
[04:38] <pag> Gh0Sty2K, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  if you want the Kubuntu installation
[04:38] <ardchoille> Gh0Sty2K: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <The_Machine> genii:  any suggestions? :)
[04:39] <Gh0Sty2K> it never asked for root password when installing, what would this be?
[04:39] <The_Machine> Gh0Sty2K, :)  use your password
[04:39] <Gh0Sty2K> k :)
[04:39] <flaccid> !root > Gh0Sty2K
[04:39] <Pazy> Can someone help me, when I was attempting to install the Nvidia drivers I f'd up the Kubuntu.. When I loaded up it said No Moniters Detected so i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and followed what it said to get the same message
[04:39] <genii> The_Machine: No immediate solution comes to mind, unfortunately
[04:40] <The_Machine> genii, thanks for trying anyway :)
[04:40] <dawiz> hmm been a min since i did that one pazy
[04:40] <flaccid> nvidia is kernel mod, so if change kernels you need to reinstall/compile the driver
[04:40] <dawiz> have you tried reinstalling drivers?
[04:40] <ksivaji> genii will you ssh into my system and fix that
[04:40] <chartoin> hello
[04:40] <Ash-Fox> Pazy, 'sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf' then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: i would recommend using aptitude to install kubuntu-desktop, because if he wants to remove it, it will be easier that way
[04:41] <chartoin> can I get kubuntu help
[04:41] <Ash-Fox> Pazy, this will make auto detecton work again.
[04:41] <NickPresta> !ask | chartoin
[04:41] <ubotu> chartoin: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:41] <Pazy> Ah thanks ill write that down and try again
[04:41] <Ash-Fox> Pazy, in future I would suggest you install 'restricted-manager', and run it using 'kdesu restricted-manager', and tick the drivers you want.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Ash-Fox: there's one for kubuntu now, btw
[04:41] <ksivaji> NickPresta flaccid genii please ssh into my system to fix apache bug
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Ash-Fox: unsure what it's called, though
[04:41] <Ash-Fox> Hobbsee, oh? What is it called?
[04:42] <genii> ksivaji: I'd rather not actually.  Just do:   sudo apt-get --purge remove apache apache2    then   sudo apt-get install apache2
[04:42] <chartoin> OK you are ignoring me
[04:42] <chartoin> Beryl is not working on my PC
[04:42] <flaccid> ksivaji: sorry don't do that.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> chartoin: you probably got ignored because you didnt ask a decent question.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !beryl | chartoin
[04:42] <ubotu> chartoin: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:42] <Daisuke_Ido> no one is ignoring you, you never asked a question.
[04:42] <ksivaji> genii ho God i did that
[04:42] <rjune> are the KDE4 packages actively updated?
[04:42] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[04:42] <chartoin> thnx
[04:42] <NickPresta> ksivaji, I would suggest you 1. purge apache and apache2 and then install apache2. You can then post your vanilla httpd.conf file for us to help you with, if you need help.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> rjune: yes - the snapshots that they do
[04:43] <Ash-Fox> rjune, yes they are.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> chartoin: you might want to read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[04:43] <Ash-Fox> Hobbsee, I don't seem to find this manager under apt-cache :/
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Ash-Fox: restricted-manager-kde
[04:43] <Hobbsee> (gutsy)
[04:43] <rjune> do either of you guys know if they're usable in fiesty?
[04:43] <ksivaji> Setting up apache2 (2.2.3-3.2build1) ...
[04:43] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$
[04:43] <ksivaji> then
[04:43] <Ash-Fox> Hobbsee, yeah, I tend to use stable :P
[04:44] <dawiz> btw: the off topic room is just hoppin with ppl
[04:44] <Hobbsee> rjune: usable?  they mostly start, yes
[04:44] <dawiz> lol
[04:44] <flaccid> !ubuntu+1
[04:44] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[04:44] <pag> rjune, well... KDE4 is currently at 'Codename Beta' stage - it's officially Beta, but it still works like alpha
[04:45] <ksivaji> pag hi
[04:45] <flaccid> hmm yeha gutsy doesn't even use kde4 sorry
[04:45] <pag> ksivaji, hello :)
[04:45] <NickPresta> ksivaji, you need to `locate apache2.conf`
[04:45] <BluesKaj> gutsy uses kde 3.5.7
[04:45] <rjune> flaccid: there are however, kde4 pkgs in the fiesty's repo
[04:45] <pvandewyngaerde> pag depends on how you define beta
[04:45] <genii> ksivaji: If you did the commands I put earlier and now it reinstalled apache2, try starting it like sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[04:45] <heeven> what kde4 brings new?
[04:45] <flaccid> rjune: true but support not in this chan
[04:45] <Ash-Fox> Configuration files for apache2 are located in /etc/apache2
[04:45] <abhijit>  why cant i boot from vista installation dvd after installing ubuntu?
[04:46] <Level15> abhijit: b/c vista is EVIL
[04:46] <flaccid> ksivaji: like i said 2 times before. purge apache packages and install apache2 pkg fresh :)
[04:46] <dawiz> a vista installation will prolly erase ubuntu
[04:46] <Ash-Fox> abhijit, there is nothing Ubuntu does to the system to prevent the vista install cd from starting.
[04:46] <pag> pvandewyngaerde, well yes - I just expected it to work a little better, and that comment just reflected my disappoiment :)
[04:46] <Pazy> Sounds like a Bios thing
[04:47] <Pazy> Do you know what your boot order is?
[04:47] <Ash-Fox> abhijit, you probably just need to set your CDROM priority.
[04:47] <ksivaji> flaccid ya i did purge still i am getting same error
[04:47] <abhijit> i did dat
[04:47] <ksivaji> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 204 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache/modules.conf: No such file or directory
[04:47] <NickPresta> ksivaji, which error exactly?
[04:47] <flaccid> ksivaji: that was after you reinstalled apache2 fresh?
[04:47] <rjune> flaccid: wasn't asking for support, just whether or not the pkgs were maintained and if anybody knew them to function
[04:47] <genii> Very odd that --purge didn't wipe out those conf files
[04:48] <flaccid> rjune: no problem. im not sure anyone here can answer that
[04:48] <NickPresta> ksivaji, apprently /etc/apache/modules.conf doesn't exist. but it should reflect /etc/apache2/modules, which means the configuration files were not deleted before. You should manually delete them
[04:48] <ksivaji> NickPresta see second line "/etc/apache/modules.conf: No such file or directory"
[04:48] <Ash-Fox> ksivaji, use the stock configuration or correct your configuration, the default apache2.conf does not have that directive, I checked myself with: grep /etc/apache/modules.conf /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:48] <BluesKaj> pvandewyngaerde: gutsy is still not ready for those of us who use ati graphics and expect 3D and DRI ...in other words google earth etc
[04:48] <abhijit> my boot priority is ok but still i cannot boot from vista.i dont wanna waste my money as i have purchased a vista dvd
[04:49] <flaccid> actually to be honest
[04:49] <flaccid> which package gives the files for apache2
[04:50] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, actually google earth worked fine on my ati mobility m6 ly under gutsy when I tried it some time ago.
[04:50] <Pazy> If it was k/ubuntu (which is probably isnt) then unhooking the harddrive and then booting would work. Tried that?
[04:50] <BluesKaj> well abhijit , use a partition manager like gpatarted to makean ntfs partition for vista and install it
[04:50] <genii> flaccid: libapache2-something
[04:50] <abhijit> thanks blueskaj
[04:50] <BluesKaj> Ash-Fox: din't work on my onboard ati x200g :(
[04:51] <umar> ???
[04:51] <ksivaji> NickPresta what i should deledte
[04:51] <ksivaji> delete*
[04:51] <BluesKaj> gparted, abhijit
[04:51] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, tried installing the ati drivers via restricted-manager (or restricted-manager-kde which i haven't tried yet)
[04:51] <flaccid> hmmm
[04:51] <flaccid> ok
[04:52] <flaccid> ksivaji: please pastebin me the output of dpkg -l | grep -i apache
[04:52] <NickPresta> ksivaji, 1. uninstall apache and apache2 - use the --purge option. 2. `rm -r /etc/apache/ /etc/apache2/`. 3. install apache2
[04:52] <genii> maybe apache2-common now
[04:52] <flaccid> lets see what he has first
[04:53] <BluesKaj> Ash-Fox: gutsy can wait till someone comes up with a patch and a mod like this guy did for feisty:http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[04:53] <ksivaji> NickPresta ok
[04:53] <NickPresta> ksivaji, genii and flaccid appear to be more than capable of helping you. I'm on my way out. Good luck.,
[04:53] <Ash-Fox> BluesKaj, what was wrong with restricted-manager?
[04:53] <flaccid> gnight NickPresta
[04:54] <BluesKaj> Ash-Fox: didn't know about restricted manger
[04:54] <flaccid> can you run that thing on kubuntu ?
[04:54] <BluesKaj> er manager
[04:55] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, if you're referring to restricted-manager, sure.. install it, then 'kdesu restricted-manager' from alt + f2
[04:55] <flaccid> interesting. if only someone would update the wiki to reflect that :)
[04:55] <codex> hello i need a lil help on where i could find information on setting up sound. Iam not getting any sound to play.
[04:55] <flaccid> thanks muchly Ash-Fox
[04:55] <icefox> Are thier plans to package xdg-user-dirs (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs)?
[04:56] <flaccid> !sound > codex
[04:56] <codex> yes sound
[04:56] <flaccid> !sound
[04:56] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:56] <BluesKaj> is there a restricted manager for kde ?
[04:56] <codex> thanks
[04:56] <stdin> BluesKaj: in gutsy
[04:56] <ksivaji> flaccid Ash-Fox NickPresta genii http://pastebin.com/d79171988
[04:57] <codex> i think my modem is conflicting with my sound drivers.
[04:57] <Ash-Fox> ksivaji, you forgot to remove the common packages too
[04:57] <codex> it my built in 56k modem.
[04:57] <Ash-Fox> apt-get --purge remove apache2-common apache-common
[04:57] <BluesKaj> stdin: heh ok
[04:58] <flaccid> icefox: sounds goood. but maybe a dev channel is a better place to ask
[04:58] <BluesKaj> Feisty is fine right , no desire to try gutsy again :)
[04:58] <c1|freaky> im running gutsy no problems so far but cpu frequency scaling again - that sucks
[04:58] <ksivaji>  Ash-Fox ok i removed common package also
[04:59] <flaccid> gutsy is beta
[04:59] <dawiz> well i can see you ppl cant respect my help and are set on making stupid points, you can take your bullshit and shove it up your ass, matter of fact i think ill be wiping kubuntu clean and using real debian not your spiffed up clone
[04:59] <Ash-Fox> ksivaji, is /etc/apache and /etc/apache2 still there?
[04:59] <flaccid> dawiz: i agreee
[04:59] <BluesKaj> eeeuuww...feel the luuuv
[05:00] <codex> hello when i run the cmd "aplay -l" and it list my playback hardware devices i see my modem listed. is this normal ?
[05:00] <Ash-Fox> Whos dawiz?
[05:00] <flaccid> ksivaji: its interesting
[05:00] <dawiz> ow btw osX owns kubuntu
[05:00] <dawiz> lol
[05:00] <flaccid> define owns
[05:00] <ksivaji> Ash-Fox no
[05:01] <Ash-Fox> dawiz, os x doesn't run on my hardware, so, nope.
[05:01] <ksivaji> Ash-Fox what i am have to do now
[05:01] <dawiz> kubuntu isnt half the spiffed up user friendly os darwin is
[05:01] <flaccid> ksivaji: let me try to make a fat command. but first i would like to ask you to get a fresh sources.list and apt-get update
[05:01] <dawiz> good try tho
[05:01] <dawiz> pfffft
[05:01] <flaccid> lol
[05:01] <ksivaji> !source-matic
[05:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source-matic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:01] <ksivaji> !sourceomatic
[05:01] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:01] <Ash-Fox> Weird person.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> i wish chanserv would stop lagging