[08:27] <n0dl> onborde_: If you just get the xfce with out installing the X server then X wont start meaning your GUI wont start up
[08:27] <andrew__> I'm probably headed to a dead end, but does anyone know if the ATI USB 2.0 TV tuner will work in Myth or any other TV recording app?
[08:27] <n0dl> onborde_: When you install server it doesnt install X server
[08:27] <n0dl> * I mean X window
[08:27] <orborde_> n0dl: Shouldn't it automatically grab X as a dependency when you grab xfce4 ... ?
[08:28] <n0dl> orborde_: Not that I am aware of
[08:28] <philc> I need to go from courier maildir to mbox, to use hula. is this an impossible task or what? Everytime I convert something to an mbox, the imap server picks the mbox file up as one huge email
[08:28] <n0dl> Orborde_: originally i tried to do a clean install with openbox
[08:28] <philc> how can I convert a file with dos line breaks to unix line breaks?
[08:29] <smo> n0dl, it may help to know in future, that you can install as a list .. "apt-get install x-window-system-core xubuntu-desktop" should do the same task
[08:29] <n0dl> Onborde_: but for some reason i couldnt get an xterm open so i didnt have much of a choice
[08:29] <n0dl> i c
[08:29] <n0dl> lol
[08:29] <orborde_> n0dl: Openbox?
[08:29] <unique311> cdrecord: CD/DVD-recorder not ready
[08:29] <n0dl> orborde_: yeah its originally a WDM (window manager) and was some deviation from black box
[08:30] <orborde_> n0dl: Oh, I see about the X server. You don't actually need an X server on the machine you run the apps on; you can just redirect the clients across the LAN. Linux is so awesome....
[08:30] <smo> philc that's a new one to me unique311 :/
[08:30] <n0dl> onborde_: usually as a WDM its used with GNOME or whatever
[08:30] <n0dl> onborde_: yes it is... Linux is great! ^_^
[08:30] <smo> bah .. two minds at once
[08:30] <d03boy> three minds at twice
[08:30] <n0dl> onborde_: When openbox is used alone (like how i used to do it) it ran faster than any GUI ever
[08:30] <unique311> i don't know why its not working, like i said, i just place a music cd in the cdrw drive and it mounted correctly
[08:30] <smo> philc, there used to be a dos2unix package hanging around .. I don't appear to see it on mine tho
[08:31] <rjordan> philc: you should google more often http://www.google.com/search?q=how+can+I+convert+a+file+with+dos+line+breaks+to+unix+line+breaks%3F&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:31] <n0dl> onborde_: faster than GNOME KDE XFCE and FLUXBOX
[08:31] <unique311> just not letting me erase cdrw disk
[08:31] <n0dl> who uses enlightenment anyway?
[08:31] <n0dl> weird to think people still use taht
[08:31] <rjordan> n0dl: you obviously haven't seen the new E
[08:32] <smo> I used enlightenment with gnome some moons ago.  strange to think people are still using gnome too
[08:32] <orborde_> n0dl: Not to be dumb, but have you ever heard of autocomplete? :)
[08:32] <n0dl> smo: lol
[08:32] <aftertaf> lol smo :)
[08:32] <n0dl> onborde_: nope
[08:32] <rob_p> philc:  You can cat your file and pipe it through "sed 's/.$//'" and redirect the output to a new file.  That's probably the easiest way.
[08:32] <aftertaf> n0dl:  i use E17
[08:32] <orborde_> n0dl: What IRC client are you on?
[08:32] <unique311> smo: i have a cdrw drive and a dvd drive, it doesn't matter which is secondary master or slave?
[08:32] <orborde_> n0dl: Telnet?
[08:32] <n0dl> orborde_: Xchat
[08:32] <orborde_> n0dl: Type orb and then press tab
[08:33] <n0dl> orborde_: cool
[08:33] <n0dl> i wonder... imma google enlightenment
[08:33] <d03boy> i wish I could find some linux drivers for my cheap ass webcam :(
[08:33] <aftertaf> !e17breezy
[08:33] <ubotu> it has been said that e17breezy is E17 on breezy: : http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[08:33] <orborde_> n0dl: It makes everyone's lives easier. Now I don't have to pick your messages out of the mess when you misspell my name :)
[08:34] <smo> unique311, I don't believe so.  can't be sure however, they're the same unit in my machine
[08:34] <rjordan> n0dl: http://www.get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted/_images/pithlit-e17.png
[08:34] <orborde_> X is just...holy crap. Whoever came up with the idea of totally disembodying the graphical interface was a fscking genius.
[08:35] <n0dl> is enlightenment fast?
[08:35] <aftertaf> yep
[08:35] <aftertaf> very
[08:35] <n0dl> faster than xfce?
[08:35] <aftertaf> yep, by lots
[08:35] <Aegir> aftertaf: Stable though?
[08:35] <aftertaf> on my p3 500 anyway
[08:35] <n0dl> hmmm
[08:35] <aftertaf> Aegir:  yep.
[08:35] <rjordan> nope...
[08:36] <orborde_> For example, I'm logged in with GNOME on my machine physically. However, I'm currently sitting in a computer lab with a fullscreen X+ssh session through Cygwin logged in with Xfce over the LAN.
[08:36] <orborde_> IT'S SO AWESOME.
[08:36] <n0dl> thats what i thought
[08:36] <smo> orborde_, it's not really that long ago that most terminals were just 'thin clients' too.  seems to me X just kept the same concept
[08:36] <Aegir> aftertaf: Intrigueing
[08:36] <orborde_> *ahem* yes....
[08:36] <rjordan> e is sooo unstable
[08:36] <n0dl> thats what i thought
[08:36] <n0dl> i read a lot about E
[08:36] <aftertaf> rjordan:  need to keep uptodate on the cvs
[08:36] <EddieDaMan> are there any downloads that i really should install for ubuntu
[08:36] <n0dl> i heard it was mega unstable
[08:36] <EddieDaMan> like standards
[08:36] <orborde_> smo: Thin clients are so not a new concept./
[08:36] <aftertaf> its stable here at least...
[08:36] <OptiPlex> eddie: gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:37] <orborde_> EddieDaMan: w32codecs
[08:37] <andyluo> xine
[08:37] <OptiPlex> sun ray = thin client
[08:37] <n0dl> it looks like a more aesthetically pleasing fluxbox/openbox
[08:37] <n0dl> theres no panels
[08:37] <Terminus> n0dl, E16 is ok enough but i ditched it in favor of openbox. still not really as smooth as it can be. :)
[08:37] <aftertaf> EddieDaMan:  there you go ;)      enable universe & multiverse first.
[08:37] <smo> orborde_, a guy I work for insists on having every computer in the rack .. including the desktops, and having the displays wired up allover the office to them.  because that's how he was taught computers should look
[08:37] <orborde_> Why is it that in the computing world, all these so-called new ideas have literally been around for 20+ years?
[08:37] <rjordan> OptiPlex: and the more common NCP and WYSE
[08:37] <n0dl> Terminus: I bet! arrgh im trying to find a way to clean install Openbox from base system
[08:37] <philc> thanks rob_p
[08:37] <Aegir> OptiPlex: Not particularly *thin* though. Bigger than the old iMacs and ugly as sin. Atleast the ones at the library nearby from my school
[08:37] <EddieDaMan> thanks
[08:37] <orborde_> smo: That is so awesome. How old is this fellow?
[08:38] <aftertaf> orborde_:  cos of m$'s legacy of nasty computing
[08:38] <n0dl> Terminus: I am so close to figuring it out
[08:38] <rob_p> philc:  np :-)
[08:38] <OptiPlex> yeah, i wonder if sun rays are as sllllloooow as wyse
[08:38] <drcode> hi all
[08:38] <drcode> whats up
[08:38] <orborde_> aftertaf: That
[08:38] <n0dl> Terminus: Do you  want me to tell you how i did if it i figure it out?
[08:38] <smo> orborde_, I want to say 70s atleast.  he's recovering from a stroke, so it's hard to tell from features alone
[08:38] <orborde_> aftertaf: That's arguable.
[08:38] <Terminus> n0dl, doesn't openbox have a package already? :)
[08:38] <OptiPlex> heh my old imac is da bomb
[08:38] <orborde_> smo: That is amazing. Bow down and worship that guy.
[08:38] <aftertaf> orborde_:  a lot of 'newx' has been around in unix circles for years.... its just new to us as we discover it
[08:38] <Zukero> n0dl : enlightenment is quite stable
[08:38] <Terminus> n0dl, nah... i'm fine with the default gnome. i only use openbox in cases where the box can't really handle DEs.
[08:38] <Zukero> O use it as adaily basis
[08:39] <n0dl> Terminus: i c
[08:39] <Zukero> -O+I
[08:39] <orborde_> smo: Even moreso if he worked on, say, the Colossi or whatnot.
[08:39] <aftertaf>  Zukero me 2 ;)
[08:39] <n0dl> Zukero: it is?
[08:39] <Zukero> yeah
[08:39] <orborde_> aftertaf: Indeed.
[08:39] <n0dl> i dunno
[08:39] <Zukero> and there are two versions
[08:39] <[Jonne] > yeah, i'm in enlightenment too
[08:39] <smo> orborde_, he's an accountant .. it's just a tool to him
[08:39] <[Jonne] > and i'm a n00b
[08:39] <Zukero> e16 : that is stable
[08:39] <aftertaf> [Jonne] :  hehe yeah !!!
[08:39] <n0dl> the official website is down
[08:39] <Zukero> e17 : unrealeased officially, but yet quite stable
[08:39] <OptiPlex> im waiting on a linux-clone from MS that is buggier than doze
[08:39] <aftertaf> Zukero:  16 is stable, yeah
[08:39] <EddieDaMan> where do i find w32codecs?
[08:39] <aftertaf> OptiPlex:  wine?
[08:40] <aftertaf> EddieDaMan:  universe/multiverse
[08:40] <Zukero> n0dl : go to www.get-e.org
[08:40] <OptiPlex> then all the n00bs will say 'IM ON UNIX' heh
[08:40] <aftertaf> !tell EddieDaMan about restricted
[08:40] <cmug> Will Ubuntu be getting Oracle certifications sometime soon?
[08:40] <Terminus> Zukero, i had issues in E16 where it couldn't handle really long menus.
[08:40] <[Jonne] > this is unix, I know this!
[08:40] <cmug> Since U now has the IBM cert
[08:40] <Beleys> Poy
[08:40] <OptiPlex> running the win32 abiword in linux is funny because you dont NEED to heh
[08:40] <Zukero> Terminus : it could, you just need to setup menus behaviour
[08:41] <OptiPlex> wow I can run TWO versions of the same program, all d4 coeds love me heh
[08:41] <Zukero> i had some menus like 2.5 desktops long
[08:41] <Terminus> Zukero, i was too lazy to figure it out. i like openbox more now. might be because the first WM i used was blackbox. :)
[08:41] <Zukero> but i'm now running e17
[08:41] <Zukero> yeah
[08:41] <orborde_> smo: Aw.....
[08:41] <OptiPlex> i used to use kde 1.something back in the day
[08:42] <Zukero> light desktop
[08:42] <Zukero> i like it eye catchy :)
[08:42] <OptiPlex> maybe it was 2.something i dunno it was 4 yrs ago, and it sucked
[08:42] <aftertaf>  /ontopic...    anyone got any issues with ubuntu?
[08:42] <Terminus> OptiPlex, i still hate kde. :)
[08:42] <[Jonne] > zukero, is there an easy (GUI) way to change icons in e17? I'd prefer to have the firefox icon for my browser, instead of a generic globe
[08:43] <Zukero> yeah
[08:43] <Zukero> e-util-eapp-edit
[08:43] <aftertaf> [Jonne] :  e_app ^
[08:43] <Zukero> --+_
[08:43] <OptiPlex> kde 3.3 is kewl
[08:43] <Terminus> aftertaf, well, it crashes during playing audio here. i'm assuming it's a hardware problem. could be dirver though.
[08:43] <Zukero> but not quite stable though
[08:43] <OptiPlex> true
[08:43] <drcode> how can I update evolion to the ver in there web site?
[08:43] <Zukero> depends if you're using cvs or breezy repo version
[08:43] <aftertaf> Terminus:  with any media player? and different output engines?
[08:43] <n0dl> hmmm looks interesting
[08:43] <n0dl> but i dont know
[08:44] <aftertaf> n0dl:  costs nothing to try, no borkage of your system will happen
[08:44] <Zukero> cvs is mre stable, but can be a pain to install on ubuntu
[08:44] <n0dl> aftertaf: how would i do this from a clean install?
[08:44] <OptiPlex> i wish i had the bandwidth to install beep
[08:44] <aftertaf> Zukero:  cvs autoupdate script ;)
[08:44] <Terminus> aftertaf, haven't really tried to figure it out yet. i just reboot. i only use rhythmbox with the gstreamer backend. maybe it won't crash with xmms. i really don't know.
[08:44] <Zukero> there is an unofficial repo for e17 for breezy
[08:44] <OptiPlex> rhythmbox bothers me
[08:44] <aftertaf> OptiPlex:  me 2
[08:44] <OptiPlex> reboot=ow!
[08:45] <aftertaf> Terminus:  try beep-m-p
[08:45] <OptiPlex> i gotta have an EQ :]
[08:45] <n0dl> Zukero: whats the package called?
[08:45] <Terminus> aftertaf, gotcha. that doesn't have any kde deps, does it? i hate kde deps. hehe
[08:45] <aftertaf> Terminus:  hehe nope.
[08:45] <Zukero> n0dl : see http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/
[08:45] <aftertaf> !e17breezy
[08:45] <ubotu> e17breezy is, like, totally, E17 on breezy: : http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[08:45] <th3flawl3ss1> can anyone explain this to me? im a linux noob
[08:46] <th3flawl3ss1>  linux-wlan-ng and manual configuration
[08:46] <[Jonne] > zukero, could you repeat that command? it doesn't seem to work
[08:46] <Zukero> e17_util_eapp_edit
[08:46] <Zukero> just type e17_u then press tab
[08:46] <Terminus> aftertaf, i googled for it too. seems some people have the same problem. couldn't get anything out of the logs though, maybe because i don't really know where to look.
[08:47] <Zukero> [Jonne]  : or read user guide on www.get-e.org
[08:47] <OptiPlex> dialup is d4 dev1l
[08:48] <n0dl> no official/restricted repo?
[08:48] <orborde_> Where are the application icons stored?
[08:48] <Madpilot> n0dl: do you mean Multiverse?
[08:49] <n0dl> Madpilot: yeah
[08:49] <Madpilot> !repos
[08:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[08:49] <Terminus> orborde_, for the menus? i think it's /usr/share/applications
[08:50] <Zukero> n0dl : not before official release
[08:50] <Terminus> orborde_, oh... icons. i thought entries. hehe
[08:50] <orborde_> Terminus: Those are the .desktop files, not the icons themselves :)
[08:50] <Zukero> n0dl : if you want official, use e16
[08:50] <Terminus> orborde_, /usr/share/pixmaps i think. :)
[08:50] <n0dl> Zukero: yeah i wanna use e16 because im sure thats a little more stable
[08:51] <Zukero> n0dl : don't be sos sure
[08:51] <Zukero> e16 also segfaults sometimes
[08:51] <orborde_> Terminus: Thanks
[08:51] <Terminus> orborde_, np. :)
[08:51] <n0dl> i c
[08:51] <Zukero> and e17 can be lighter if performance is what you're looking for
[08:51] <anatole_> how do i open .bin files? the app itself is java-based
[08:52] <OptiPlex> opinions: breezy on ppc
[08:52] <aftertaf> n0dl:  or get the elive cd and test it w/o installingif you want
[08:52] <n0dl> mebe
[08:52] <aftertaf> anatole_:  you run it.
[08:52] <Terminus> anatole_, sh foo.bin or chmod +x foo.bin; ./foo.bin to run them.
[08:52] <orborde_> Terminus: Dagnabbit. /usr/share/pixmaps doesn't exit.
[08:52] <anatole_> thanks
[08:52] <orborde_> Terminus: Nor does it even exist.
[08:52] <aftertaf> orborde_:  usr/share/icons ?
[08:52] <Terminus> orborde_, it doesn't? it exists here.
[08:54] <orborde_> aftertaf: Thanks
[08:54] <orborde_> Terminus: You must have a Mutant Installation
[08:54] <orborde_> Does Xfce support taskbar notifications like GNOME does?
[08:54] <Terminus> orborde_, errr... this is a default breezy install.
[08:54] <orborde_> Terminus: I really have no idea. I'm very confused.
[08:54] <aftertaf> lol mutant
[08:55] <Terminus> orborde_, well, aftertaf's path seems to be better. it has the icons in multiple sizes. :)
[08:55] <aftertaf> could be a n app that installed it.
[08:55] <Terminus> well, pretty basic here. haven't really added a lot of apps on the default.
[08:55] <philc> is there a way to view the line break characters in a text file?
[08:57] <smo> philc, a hex editor?  curious why you'd want to do that tho
[08:57] <philc> smo: want to check how a file has been saved
[08:57] <Terminus> philc, i think there's an option for that in vim. can't really tell you what it is offhand though.
[08:57] <smo> try 'file' .. it should tell you
[08:58] <n0dl> i didnt know you could view websites in command line
[08:58] <n0dl> craziness
[08:59] <OptiPlex> n0dl: links and lynx are great for that :]
[08:59] <orborde_> n0dl: w00t for lynx :)
[08:59] <n0dl> lynx? links?
[08:59] <n0dl> i thought i just had to type "g" then the url
[09:01] <n0dl> is that right?
[09:01] <smo> philc, 'file filename' appears to return 'ASCII text' on a file with unix newlines, and 'ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators' for windows-style
[09:01] <Razor-X> n0dl: that should be in lynx
[09:01] <Razor-X> links and lynx are two different text browser
[09:01] <n0dl> i c
[09:01] <Razor-X> links and its successor links2 are more modern than lynx
[09:01] <drcode> hi all
[09:01] <n0dl> Razor-X: how do i activate them?
[09:01] <OptiPlex> links ownz
[09:01] <n0dl> type lynx?
[09:02] <drcode> any one know about cbq
[09:02] <Razor-X> still, lynx has a very nice followingb ehind it still
[09:02] <n0dl> or type links
[09:02] <philc> smo: cool, thanks
[09:02] <drcode> is it working in ubuntu
[09:02] <n0dl> ?
[09:02] <Razor-X> (I use lynx, personally, only because I never knew about the existance of links when I started text browsing :)
[09:02] <Razor-X> n0dl: yeah, open up a terminal of any sort and type in either ``lynx'' or ``links''
[09:02] <intelikey> w3m
[09:02] <Razor-X> yes, there's another popular text browser
[09:02] <smo> I use links because threaded downloads are difficult to give up :)
[09:02] <orborde_> n0dl: They are two different things
[09:02] <Razor-X> (although it's w3, not w3m)
[09:02] <OptiPlex> i think lynx is older than links
[09:02] <orborde_> n0dl: lynx is more stipped-down
[09:03] <Razor-X> w3m happens to be the emacs-interfacable distillation
[09:03] <intelikey> elinks
[09:03] <Razor-X> intelikey: there's an elinks?
[09:03] <intelikey> yes
[09:03] <Razor-X> intelikey: wow, that I'm going to get
[09:03] <[Jonne] > zukero, the icon won't change, when i use the eapp editor
[09:03] <[Jonne] > i click set icon, but when i save, it's still the old icon
[09:03] <orborde_> OptiPlex: emacs is indeed a terrifying beast
[09:04] <Razor-X> if you really want to duke it out in the world of the terminal, I can help you out with doing most common tasks in the terminal
[09:04] <smo> there's an incarnation of links that'll use the framebugger for images too.  I think it's a build option in elinks .. but I'm probably wrong
[09:04] <n0dl> so how would i run links or lynx?
[09:04] <Razor-X> I do almost all of my (high school AP or Honors level) homework in the terminal :)
[09:04] <[Jonne] > is there anything i'm overlooking?
[09:04] <smo> n0dl, same as anything else.  install package, type command
[09:04] <OptiPlex> n0dl: just go to a terminal and type 'links' :]
[09:04] <intelikey> i believe w3m is standard on ub by the way.
[09:04] <Razor-X> smo: twibright, if i'm not mistaken
[09:04] <n0dl> Razor-X: i want to rock terminal
[09:04] <OptiPlex> heh, i wrote a tutorial on terminals 'in' a terminal
[09:04] <Razor-X> n0dl: open up any terminal, and type in ``links'' or ``lynx''
[09:04] <Razor-X> like I said
[09:04] <OptiPlex> ee>vi
[09:04] <OptiPlex> :]
[09:05] <n0dl> alright
[09:05] <Razor-X> :)
[09:05] <Razor-X> vi's ok, I guess
[09:05] <n0dl> neither of them i s found
[09:05] <Razor-X> I mean, I can't stand the vi movement keys for the life of me (they're so spread out), but meh
[09:05] <n0dl> do i have to apt-install it?
[09:05] <OptiPlex> the great thing about ubuntu is that there's 'aee' for it, which is identical to 'ee' in freebsd
[09:05] <Razor-X> n0dl: I would think at least lynx is installed, hmmm :(
[09:05] <Razor-X> try a ``dpkg -l | grep lynx''
[09:06] <OptiPlex> the only ones I use are :save shift+i, esc, and :quit
[09:06] <OptiPlex> heh
[09:06] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I know :qw
[09:06] <smo> I love vim, but I keep finding spare 'i' characters making a mess of my code
[09:06] <n0dl> Razor-X,  i installed base system
[09:06] <OptiPlex> then again that's viM, and not vi hence my hate for vi.
[09:06] <Razor-X> what I meant by movement was ``hjkl''
[09:06] <Razor-X> ok, my bad, viM
[09:06] <intelikey> n0dl w3m should be installed.
[09:06] <Razor-X> since I was assuming we all use viM
[09:06] <rjordan> vi's regex-replace is easier then emacs IMHO
[09:06] <Razor-X> and that we aren't using TECO Emacs, but GNU Emacs
[09:07] <Razor-X> emacs has crap regexp support, I agree there
[09:07] <OptiPlex> lol razor. vi reminds me of playing 2d wolfenstein on apple II and walking with the keyboard
[09:07] <Razor-X> but with awesome macros, who cares?
[09:07] <n0dl> intelikey,  w3m?
[09:07] <intelikey> yes
[09:07] <n0dl> whats that?
[09:07] <orborde_> ah, shit. overwrote a file. Hope THAT wasn't important :(
[09:07] <rjordan> Razor-X: indeed, ssh+screen+emacs = pwnage
[09:07] <intelikey> w3 = www m    cli webbrowser
[09:08] <orborde_> Fortunately, it was named "test.txt", so I doubt it was.
[09:08] <OptiPlex> nano/pico seem pretty easy to use too. they're not 'ee' but hey, they work :D
[09:08] <intelikey> m= minimal i think ?
[09:08] <orborde_> How do I get volume control into Xfce ?
[09:09] <orborde_> Does Xfce have applets...?
[09:09] <OptiPlex> rexima :]
[09:09] <intelikey> orborde_ i always used aumix for that.
[09:09] <orborde_> intelikey: aumix ?
[09:09] <intelikey> yep
[09:10] <orborde_> intelikey: That's command line, is it not?
[09:10] <orborde_> intelikey: You're suggesting that I put in some launchers for volume up/down, perhaps?
[09:10] <intelikey> like alsamixer  (which is installed by default)
[09:10] <intelikey> try alsamixer
[09:11] <intelikey> for volume control
[09:11] <n0dl> OptiPlex,  how would i open links within the site?
[09:12] <orborde_> n0dl: links? Select them using up/down, and press right arrow
[09:12] <n0dl> im using lynx
[09:12] <orborde_> n0dl: Same thing
[09:12] <intelikey> n0dl also [etc]  is your friend in 'links'
[09:13] <rjordan> lynx however does not have a graphical mode like links -g
[09:13] <rjordan> it's all about framebuffer surfing
[09:13] <orborde_> intelikey: Is there a nice GUI alsamixer somewhere?
[09:14] <intelikey> maybe.   but that is why i sujested aumix.   :)
[09:15] <intelikey> orborde_ 'sudo apt-get install aumix '     if you don't like it you can remove it.     it works in cli or gui
[09:15] <intelikey> or should i say has a gui also...
[09:16] <rjordan> orborde_: there is alsamixergui :)
[09:16] <intelikey> i think i saw... yeah that ^
[09:16] <intelikey> beet me to it rjordan :)
[09:16] <rjordan> lol
[09:16] <rjordan> why does idle have to be soo ugly?
[09:17] <intelikey> it's in the code.
[09:17] <intelikey> ?
[09:17] <OptiPlex> #box irl
[09:18] <rjordan> indeed it is :(
[09:19] <Elektrochelovek> !boost
[09:19] <ubotu> Elektrochelovek: Are you on ritalin?
[09:19] <n0dl> lol
[09:19] <treitter> is it too late to suggest a name for 6.10?
[09:19] <treitter> How about Easy Elephant?
[09:19] <n0dl> yeah it is
[09:19] <n0dl> its dapper drake
[09:20] <n0dl> sorry treitter
[09:20] <treitter> n0dl: that's 6.04
[09:20] <Elektrochelovek> !libboost
[09:20] <n0dl> oh i c
[09:20] <ubotu> No idea, Elektrochelovek
[09:20] <n0dl> !poop
[09:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, n0dl
[09:20] <n0dl> !java
[09:20] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:20] <n0dl> !javadebs
[09:20] <ubotu> hmm... javadebs is at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[09:20] <n0dl> i c
[09:21] <n0dl> mmm listening to groove salad
[09:22] <OptiPlex> !ppc
[09:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is PowerPC. Macs, IBMs. Nicer then Intel.
[09:22] <OptiPlex> heh
[09:23] <intelikey> rjordan perhaps the writer/s were going for the 'it's so ugly it's pretty' look  ?
[09:24] <Elektrochelovek> !boostdebs
[09:24] <ubotu> Elektrochelovek: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:25] <Elektrochelovek> !boostlib
[09:25] <ubotu> Elektrochelovek: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[09:25] <OptiPlex> !ubuntuppc
[09:25] <ubotu> OptiPlex: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[09:25] <OptiPlex> :[
[09:25] <OptiPlex> !ubuntu-ppc
[09:25] <ubotu> OptiPlex: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:25] <SepheroRick> bhgaasdasdasd
[09:25] <OptiPlex> wtf
[09:25] <Elektrochelovek> where to get boost libraries for ubuntu?
[09:25] <csirkefog> re
[09:28] <Terminus> hello. is there any package available to make beep media player minimize to the notifier like rhythmbox?
[09:29] <hjra> hi to all
[09:30] <OptiPlex> you folks be k3wl, im out
[09:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are default settings stored in ubuntu when a new user starts up?  how does the desktop get that icky brown color?  i want to change that from the root, not by "hacking" it in skel.
[09:31] <hjra> I need to listen on port 1001 for ascii records, and put the records into a mysql db, you know what can I do it?
[09:31] <Gecko> Hey there. I am using ndiswrapper with ubuntu, and everything is fine, but I cannot figure how to set it up to start at boot. I have followed the howto on the wiki, but that doesn't work, because, when I set up the key, I need to add it as iwconfig wlan0 key open <key>. That, I cannot entirely figure out how to specify in the /etc/network/interfaces. Can anyone help?
[09:31] <wezzer> oh shit
[09:32] <krow> wow, i'm back.. i was on ubuntu for a while, switched back to windows.. and now i remember why i hate windows.. i'm back to linux
[09:32] <holy_cow> krow, just out of curiosity, why switch back to win, why switch back to ubuntu?
[09:32] <holy_cow> not flaming, just curious about peoples decisions
[09:33] <krow> switched back to windows to use adobe photoshop, pagemill, and other programs made for windows.. but the security issues just arent worth it.. i'd rather, MUCH rather, be on ubuntu
[09:34] <holy_cow> cool
[09:34] <holy_cow> i use gimp instead of ps, and scribus instead of pagemill
[09:34] <intelikey> holy_cow i thought he was real clear on why.   he forgot why he hated windows,  then remembered...  :)_
[09:34] <krow> lol
[09:34] <holy_cow> heh
[09:35] <drcode> hi all
[09:35] <krow> it's been a while.. i forgot a lot of important stuff about ubuntu, so i appologize ahead for all the questions i might be asking
[09:35] <intelikey> it only took me one refresher course,  :)
[09:35] <drcode> I want to upgrade evoltuin
[09:35] <drcode> evolution
[09:35] <drcode> it want to install xserver and more ?
[09:35] <holy_cow> drcode, say what?
[09:35] <aftertaf> drcode:  what version of ubunt are you on right now?
[09:35] <krow> oh yea, speaking of upgrade.. is breezy badger worth downloading? i still have 5.04
[09:36] <aftertaf> krow:  yeah, more thatn ;)
[09:36] <drcode> breezy
[09:36] <drcode> I did update and so
[09:36] <intelikey> drcode 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop '   ?
[09:36] <holy_cow> krow, be aware that breezy has a few bugs
[09:36] <holy_cow> 1. sometimes automount doesn't work
[09:36] <aftertaf> drcode:  did you do that too?? ^
[09:36] <drcode> I Use xfce
[09:36] <drcode> no
[09:36] <drcode> I Need also for upgrade?
[09:36] <intelikey> drcode 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop '   ?
[09:36] <holy_cow> 2.  this appears related to automount, but usb ports sometimes are simply not seen by the kernel
[09:36] <aftertaf> itll make sure all it well in X land for you.
[09:37] <holy_cow> i would recommend staying on 5.04 until either this is resolved or badger is out (and the issue has been fixed)
[09:37] <holy_cow> oh also 3. sometimes the floppy drivers in not autoloaded and you need to add it to /etc/modules
[09:37] <drcode> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[09:37] <drcode> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[09:37] <drcode> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[09:37] <drcode> or been moved out of Incoming.
[09:37] <holy_cow> basically breezy is not a solid release
[09:38] <aftertaf> drcode:  enable universe & multiverse
[09:38] <aftertaf> !repos
[09:38] <krow> holy_cow, is it possible to just upgrade, or do i have to install 5.10 like installing a new OS?
[09:38] <ubotu> I heard repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[09:38] <drcode> art iin sources.list?
[09:38] <krow> holy_cow, i should be able to overcome those bugs
[09:38] <aftertaf> krow:  all you do is change your apt sources and update/upgrade;
[09:38] <holy_cow> krow, yep you can upgarde, no need to reinstall
[09:38] <holy_cow> krow, you won't they are unresolved as of today, even by ubuntu devs
[09:38] <aftertaf> krow:  with a install x|k|ubuntu-desktop in the middle
[09:38] <krow> sweet
[09:38] <intelikey> "breezy badger" is not a solid release ?
[09:39] <holy_cow> krow, as well they are intermittent, i have 6 machines with no problem, 6 with all those problems, no idea why
[09:39] <drcode> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main universe multiverse restri$
[09:39] <drcode> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[09:39] <drcode> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[09:39] <drcode> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[09:39] <drcode> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[09:39] <aftertaf> holy_cow:  yeah i understand... but all linux can be like that too.
[09:39] <aftertaf> drcode:  pastebin, dont paste here
[09:39] <aftertaf> !tell drcode about past
[09:39] <aftertaf> !tell drcode about pastebin
[09:39] <krow> lol
[09:39] <holy_cow> sure and windows too
[09:40] <krow> thanks drcode.. you could have pmed that to me
[09:40] <PokerFacePenguin> pastebin rocks
[09:40] <PokerFacePenguin> i love that pastebin script
[09:41] <drcode> sorry
[09:41] <drcode> any idea?
[09:42] <drcode> k
[09:42] <drcode> I Will try apt-get install evolution
[09:42] <drcode> what do U think >
[09:44] <krow> where can i find information on changing my repository to breezy repos?
[09:45] <Hoxzer> !tell krow repos
[09:45] <intelikey> !repos
[09:45] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[09:45] <krow> thanks
[09:45] <morphix> hi ppls.
[09:46] <morphix> how do i update my 5.04 to 5.10 without messing it up
[09:46] <intelikey> !upgrade to breezy
[09:46] <ubotu> Wish i knew, intelikey
[09:46] <intelikey> !up grade to breezy
[09:46] <ubotu> intelikey: I don't know
[09:46] <aftertaf> !breezy
[09:46] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[09:48] <RadSurfer> I have a few silly questions... wishing to try Ubuntu in decemeber...
[09:48] <RadSurfer> december... anyways, can a single 700mb CD contain all I need for installation?
[09:48] <RadSurfer> at least to get up and running?
[09:48] <Terminus> RadSurfer, yes.
[09:48] <RadSurfer> that sounds great.
[09:48] <RadSurfer> I now have FC-2
[09:49] <Terminus> RadSurfer, default install gives you office and media apps.
[09:49] <RadSurfer> and want to try something different.
[09:49] <Tidus> RadSurfer: that one cd will have all you need for office, media, internet, a few games, and such
[09:49] <Terminus> plus a few more stuff. basically productivity stuff.
[09:49] <RadSurfer> I see.
[09:49] <Tidus> the rest can be installed from the net (just enable universe)
[09:49] <RadSurfer> I thought it was scaled down compared to some distros
[09:50] <intelikey> RadSurfer wrong.  it's bloated
[09:50] <RadSurfer> Does Ubuntu come with Python and Perl ?
[09:50] <Terminus> RadSurfer, yep.
[09:50] <Tidus> RadSurfer: the base install is a bit scaled down, but the rest can be installed as you need it
[09:50] <RadSurfer> Excellent. ok.
[09:50] <Terminus> RadSurfer, i'm getting to like it real well as a workstation myself. :)
[09:50] <Juhaz> it's "scaled down" in sense that base install doesn't have five different desktop environments for example
[09:51] <dell500> 5?
[09:51] <Terminus> gcc isn't installed by default though.
[09:51] <RadSurfer> What one reason should I go with Ubuntu instead of say, mandiva?
[09:51] <aftertaf> RadSurfer:  apt
[09:51] <Terminus> RadSurfer, it seems cleaner? and apt is really nice. :)
[09:51] <dell500> Ubuntu, IMO, has a better community/help
[09:51] <aftertaf> apt is a three word wonder
[09:51] <dell500> apt is soooo nice
[09:51] <dell500> lol
[09:51] <Tidus> mandriva has issues.
[09:51] <intelikey> Juhaz that would be default install  not base install    the base system has no gui
[09:51] <RadSurfer> its cvs variant
[09:51] <Tidus> at least, from what i seen
[09:51] <Terminus> RadSurfer, i haven't touched rpm distros in years even if yum/urpmi is already available. :)
[09:52] <Juhaz> intelikey, I never said it had, just that it doesn't have five, description fits both! :)
[09:52] <Terminus> RadSurfer, oh, ubuntu is now certified for DB2, if you're into it too. :)
[09:52] <n0dl> i dont really trust RPM based distros
[09:52] <n0dl> theres jsut something about RH that i dont trust
[09:52] <aftertaf> n0dl:  ai second that
[09:52] <RadSurfer> I have never had trouble with rpm's
[09:52] <aftertaf> s/ai/I
[09:52] <intelikey> urpmi was good in 2002 :)
[09:53] <aftertaf> very slow to update
[09:53] <Tidus> my two favorite distros are gentoo and debian (or debian based)
[09:53] <n0dl> lol
[09:53] <Terminus> last rpm distro i played with was rh9. gentoo was nice but i couldn't stand the compile times. hehe
[09:53] <alsh> Hello! How to permanently set environment variable? (bash) I tried doing: set MYEMAIL="myemail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but it doesn't work...
[09:53] <n0dl> yeh i wanna try gentoo... but imma try it when im more experienced
[09:53] <n0dl> i am gonna try slack though
[09:53] <aftertaf> alsh:  in you .bashrc prefs file
[09:53] <Terminus> alsh, it's export, not set.
[09:53] <Tidus> n0dl: gentoo's quite nice, but as Terminus said, the compile times are hell to live with
[09:54] <Corrupter> what are some good programs to download for ubuntu?
[09:54] <Terminus> Tidus, another issue i had with it was during that time, i still had broken packages in stable. :(
[09:54] <RadSurfer> and of course still uses Samba
[09:54] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  w32codecs, xine
[09:54] <Terminus> Corrupter, you better ask yourself what you want to do on ubuntu first. :)
[09:54] <n0dl> Corrupetr: gcc g++ build essential
[09:54] <alsh> aftertaf: Thanks!
[09:54] <RadSurfer> I heard Ubuntu is good with older PC's, too
[09:54] <Tidus> Terminus: ya, they've had a bit of trouble with that... that's why i ran the unstable tree... never had a single breakage in over a year
[09:54] <aftertaf> Terminus:  broken packages put hairs on your chest
[09:54] <Corrupter> lol
[09:54] <alsh> Terminus: Thank you!
[09:55] <Terminus> aftertaf, i'd say totem-xine. xine isn't really user friendly IMHO. :)
[09:55] <aftertaf> RadSurfer:  yep. pIII 500 runs like a dream
[09:55] <intelikey> alsh for global env put them in /etc/profile   for user  put it in ~/.bashrc  or ~/.bash_profile   or ~/.profile
[09:55] <Corrupter> well, i found some konfabulator-like programs that look interesting, but no ubuntu releases, and i found gnucash, same problem
[09:55] <Tidus> RadSurfer: i have ubuntu installed on my old pmmx-150 laptop... a bit slow, but runs fine
[09:55] <RadSurfer> And gaim/x-chat-2 are standard I hope
[09:55] <krow> i'm trying "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" but it's giving me an error. can anyone help me quick?
[09:55] <Terminus> Tidus, some of them also broke when using sandboxes. :)
[09:55] <aftertaf> Tidus:  which WM?
[09:55] <aftertaf> krow:  paste your error in PM to me ;)
[09:55] <Tidus> aftertaf: on the laptop?  normally fluxbox
[09:55] <aftertaf> hehe light WM's rule
[09:55] <Terminus> alsh, put it in your bashrc like they've been saying if you want it set every login. :)
[09:55] <Tidus> krow: i'll help a bit.
[09:56] <Corrupter> any idea's on some good programs along those lines?
[09:56] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  gdesklets or superkaramba for the eyecandy desktop stuff
[09:56] <Tidus> Corrupter: if you're running kubuntu, use superkaramba (konfabulator like)
[09:56] <Tidus> Corrupter: it doesn't like to run well if you're not using KDE
[09:57] <Corrupter> i'm on gnome :-.
[09:57] <Corrupter> :-/
[09:57] <RadSurfer> yaay gnome
[09:57] <Tidus> Corrupter: you can still try it, but i don't know if it'll work properly
[09:57] <Tidus> i had issues with fluxbox and SK
[09:57] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  then gdesklets
[09:57] <n0dl> gnome is alright... mebe not
[09:57] <krow> aftertaf, did you get that?
[09:57] <Corrupter> i like KDE, but i also like gnome
[09:57] <n0dl> i dunno gnome is just to....
[09:58] <Tidus> Corrupter: good news though... if you enable universe, you can install kde
[09:58] <Corrupter> i need something... useful, not just looking pretty
[09:58] <aftertaf> krow:  nope... have you registered? if not, goto #flood and paste there ;)
[09:58] <Terminus> i think KDE is still messy. never could navigate it worth a damn. :(
[09:58] <Tidus> Terminus: i'm used to KDE
[09:58] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  to do what?
[09:58] <Terminus> Tidus, well, to each his own. ;)
[09:58] <Tidus> i played around with Manrake (before mandriva) and SuSE too much to not get used to KDE
[09:58] <Terminus> personally, i like gnome, or openbox for older machines.
[09:58] <aftertaf> Tidus:  :  Terminus  yep ;)
[09:59] <krow> aftertaf, just pasted on #flood
[09:59] <intelikey> Terminus are you also a windows user ?
[09:59] <Corrupter> i like gnucash, it looks fairly decent, but like i said, no ubuntu release, anybody know of any other types of programs like that?
[09:59] <Tidus> i have a little Via C3 based router that runs SuSE
[09:59] <aftertaf> krow:  paste me your sources.list too.
[09:59] <Terminus> intelikey, not really. just for games. and i haven't found any game worth playing recently. i still spend most of my game time on ET. :)
[09:59] <Tidus> Corrupter: enable universe, then it might be in there.
[09:59] <Corrupter> i already have, i haven't really checked anything other than the internet stuff though... let me look through the programs
[10:00] <aftertaf> and krow, what was the command that gave you theat error? dist-upgrade?
[10:00] <revfrthumos> howdy all
[10:00] <aftertaf> howdy revfrthumos
[10:00] <Terminus> intelikey, why'd you ask? :)
[10:00] <krow> aftertaf, yea, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:00] <krow> aftertaf, posted sources.list also
[10:00] <Terminus> intelikey, errr... are you chatting as root? bad practice...
[10:00] <intelikey> just asking.   cause most of the time when i say gnome is too much like windows, i get feedback that goes "i thought kde was the windows clone"
[10:00] <Corrupter> i have a quick question, say i destroy a 2nd partition on my PC, will i be able to expand my ubuntu partition?
[10:00] <intelikey> Terminus np
[10:01] <Tidus> Corrupter: if you enable universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list, gnucash is in there
[10:01] <intelikey> Terminus no
[10:01] <n0dl> does anyone know any good free email>
[10:01] <n0dl> ?
[10:01] <n0dl> thats not hotmail
[10:01] <n0dl> ?
[10:01] <Tidus> n0dl: gmail :)
[10:01] <n0dl> anything else?
[10:01] <Tidus> n0dl: not really.
[10:01] <n0dl> lol
[10:01] <Corrupter> and how do i update that?
[10:01] <RadSurfer> ship.ubuntu.com triggers a security certificate violation in Firefox
[10:01] <Terminus> n0dl, yahoo? lol
[10:01] <Corrupter> and where is it located on the list?
[10:02] <Tidus> n0dl: pm me with your current email address if you want a gmail invite
[10:02] <n0dl> anyhting thats not microsoft based
[10:02] <n0dl> bleh
[10:02] <Terminus> n0dl, the nice thing about gmail, you've got pop3 access. :)
[10:02] <aftertaf> ok krow make sure you have universe and multiverse on each line with main and restricted, then apt-get yupdate and apt-get -f install
[10:02] <Tidus> Corrupter: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list then uncomment the two lines that have 'universe' at the end, then 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get install gnucash'
[10:02] <intelikey> Terminus i knew why you said it.   :)
[10:03] <Terminus> intelikey, yeah... thought root just landed. hehe
[10:03] <Tidus> n0dl: Terminus has a point... with gmail you get free pop3 access.
[10:03] <n0dl> pop3?
[10:03] <intelikey> n0dl idk.
[10:03] <n0dl> idk?
[10:03] <Corrupter> i'm fairly sure i already have universal
[10:03] <Tidus> n0dl: you can access your mail with e.g. Thunderbird or Evolution
[10:03] <Corrupter> cuz i installed the mp3 codec earlier today
[10:03] <intelikey> yeah i believe.
[10:03] <Tidus> n0dl: idk means 'i don't know'
[10:03] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  change your sorces.list then apt-get update, then apt-get install gnucash ;)
[10:04] <intelikey> idk = i don't know.
[10:04] <aftertaf> corrupter apt-cache search cash
[10:04] <RadSurfer> How much HDD space is used for a FIRST TIME installation?
[10:04] <Tidus> RadSurfer: about 1.8G
[10:04] <RadSurfer> outch
[10:04] <aftertaf> and Corrupter for the partition thing, you can resize your root partiton if you boot from a live cd.
[10:04] <Tidus> RadSurfer: usually a bit less though...
[10:04] <morphix> RadSurfer, for me it was around 1.7 - 1.8
[10:04] <RadSurfer> I get to choose items?
[10:05] <Tidus> it was 1.6 for me
[10:05] <Terminus> RadSurfer, you can always install only the base. :)
[10:05] <intelikey> RadSurfer an expert server install can fit in just less than 200m  the default is 1.7g
[10:05] <RadSurfer> I have a list of checkboxes and such right?
[10:05] <krow> aftertaf, no dist-upgrade needed?
[10:05] <Terminus> RadSurfer, default makes the choices for you, base will give you a console and let you customize to your heart's content.
[10:05] <RadSurfer> OK.
[10:05] <aftertaf> krow:  not yet, you'll need the -f install first
[10:05] <aftertaf> dependency issies ;)
[10:05] <krow> k
[10:06] <Terminus> RadSurfer, note that you will not get checkboxes ala redhat. i think. haven't tried the base install but i'm assuming it's like debian. :)
[10:06] <khermans_> Anyone get GmailFS working in Ubuntu?
[10:06] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[10:06] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[10:06] <Terminus> aftertaf, i have some here. want me to ship it to you? :)
[10:06] <intelikey> RadSurfer no   no list of check boxes.   no package selection.   full or server.  that's the install choice.
[10:06] <Corrupter> how do i uncomment the list?
[10:07] <RadSurfer> hmmm
[10:07] <intelikey> remove the #
[10:07] <Terminus> RadSurfer, the default package installer thingy if you choose server is aptitude. really nice IMHO. :)
[10:07] <intelikey> RadSurfer thus you install server and apt-get what you want to add.
[10:07] <RadSurfer> exaactly
[10:07] <Terminus> or yeah, like intelikey said, apt-get. :)
[10:08] <Terminus> errr... s/default/canonical/
[10:08] <Razor-X> does Gmail really have its own FS?
[10:08] <krow> ok, after i get upgraded to breezy.. i'm gonna my DVD-rom to play DVDs, and a CD-burner.. i remember there were certain media players and packages i needed to play certain media files, i don't remember which tho
[10:08] <Corrupter> it says unable to lock the list directory
[10:08] <Tidus> Razor-X: no, but there is a program that will allow you to use gmail just like a file system or something like that.
[10:09] <Razor-X> or is GmailFS the term for a storage that craftily manages emails and attachments in a way as to transparently make gmail appear as an FS?
[10:09] <intelikey> Terminus actually, dpkg is the package manager.  apt and aptitude are just frontends that make calls to dpkg  and dselect
[10:09] <Razor-X> oh, well, yeah, thanks Tidus
[10:09] <khermans_> Razor-X, Tidus aptitude show gmailfs
[10:09] <krow> aftertaf, ok, -f install finished.. dist-upgrade now?
[10:09] <Terminus> intelikey, yeah... wrong terminology on my part. my bad. :)
[10:09] <Razor-X> aptitude show?
[10:09] <Razor-X> hmm, I don't use that quite often
[10:09] <Terminus> intelikey, errr... aptitude calls dselect?
[10:09] <Corrupter> ok... anybody know how to fix that?
[10:09] <Tidus> Terminus: sometimes, yes
[10:10] <khermans_> Razor-X, aptitude is the successor to apt-get
[10:10] <intelikey> for installition calls yes.
[10:10] <Razor-X> Terminus: yes, the interface looks a lot like dselect
[10:10] <Terminus> Tidus, oh... didn't know that. i thought dselect got thrown out when aptitude came along.
[10:10] <Tidus> khermans_: not really... aptitude is a frontend to apt-get
[10:10] <Razor-X> khermans_: I know about aptitude and use it regularly, just haven't used show very often
[10:10] <Razor-X> and i'm pretty sure aptitude is a frontend to dpkg, and not apt-get :)
[10:10] <khermans_> Tidus, yes but it is much nicer
[10:10] <khermans_> imho
[10:10] <intelikey> Tidus ?
[10:11] <Tidus> intelikey: ?
[10:11] <Terminus> i still remember when aptitude really sucked 4 years ago. hehe
[10:11] <n0dl> lol
[10:11] <n0dl> does aptitude still suck?
[10:11] <Terminus> now it's better than dselect IMHO though. :)
[10:11] <morphix> meh.
[10:11] <Tidus> n0dl: no, aptitude's actually quite nice
[10:11] <morphix> i dont even use x or a GUI for that matter.
[10:11] <intelikey> apt-get calls deselect and dpkg   it doesnt do the actuall package manipulation
[10:11] <Terminus> n0dl, that was four years ago. ;)
[10:11] <morphix> linux for me.. is only as a server.
[10:12] <intelikey> n0dl yes it does.
[10:12] <khermans_> hehe, yeah im an "aptitude man"
[10:12] <khermans_> no damn Synaptic for us real guys ;-)
[10:12] <intelikey> that's why they build a ford and a chevy  :)
[10:13] <krow> what about mazda?
[10:13] <Terminus> khermans_, dpkg and dependency hell is for real guys... err... might as well run slackware. hehe
[10:13] <khermans_> intelikey, i think they only do that so there's no monopoly!
[10:13] <intelikey> krow yeah we know about windows too
[10:14] <krow> intelikey, lol
[10:14] <krow> that was good
[10:14] <khermans_> slackware is hard to maintain i hear
[10:14] <sabmann> dunno
[10:14] <Terminus> so i've heard too. i never really played around with it. considered it once but the lack of a postgresql package turned me off.
[10:15] <Corrupter> i'm confused as all hell about this, can somebody help me out?
[10:15] <Terminus> Corrupter, what are you trying to do?
[10:15] <Terminus> oh... sources list?
[10:15] <Corrupter> yes
[10:15] <Terminus> i'll paste my source list for you.
[10:15] <khermans_> Terminus, yeah i fell in love with Ubuntu after using redhat, gentoo, suse, mandrake, lycoris, knoppix, lfs, etc on/off for 7 years
[10:15] <Corrupter> i A. don't know how to uncomment something and B. am a n00b
[10:16] <intelikey> Terminus don't flood
[10:16] <dell500> gonna take an hour to get all my mp3s on my ipod, wow, time for sleep
[10:16] <dell500> night, have a grateful day :)
[10:16] <sabmann> Terminus, in terminal do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:16] <Terminus> intelikey, don't worry. i won't i meant i'd use a pastebin. :)
[10:16] <intelikey> Corrupter a line with    '# blah blah blah " is commented out.   remove the  #
[10:17] <learnin9> hello
[10:17] <Corrupter> i did that
[10:17] <learnin9> every body
[10:17] <Corrupter> what now?
[10:17] <learnin9> i am a japanse pig
[10:17] <n0dl> what?
[10:17] <krow> save it
[10:17] <n0dl> is taht some kinda racist comment?
[10:17] <Terminus> Corrupter, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4829
[10:17] <Corrupter> did that
[10:18] <intelikey> save and exit.   'sudo apt-get clean ;sudo apg-get update '
[10:18] <intelikey> then you are ready.
[10:18] <Zag0R> hi!how  i can extend my desktop on another monitor !! TNX
[10:18] <Terminus> khermans_, i'm liking BSD a lot for servers now. never really had the chance to play with it before because of the lack of boxen. i fell in love with ubuntu as a workstation though. :)
[10:19] <penguinzdr> how can i uninstall all kubuntu-desktop packages safely and GDM to start automaticallly after the uninstallation?
[10:19] <Corrupter> unable to lock administration directory
[10:19] <khermans_> Terminus, yeah Ubuntu is the best desktop OS
[10:19] <henriquemaia> Hello, does anyone knows a way of disabling the close button (on metacity)?
[10:19] <khermans_> Terminus, OpenBSD if you want that secure server
[10:19] <aftertaf> krow:  yep, if you did apt-get update first ;)
[10:19] <intelikey> Zag0R there are some pretty good howto's on duel-head linux  on the web.  did you look ?
[10:20] <krow> aftertaf, of course ;)
[10:20] <Corrupter> like 5 files got 404 errors
[10:20] <Terminus> khermans_, i'll use it when i need a router. otherwise, i'll stick to general purpose freebsd for now.
[10:20] <n0dl> does anyone know a more reliable client than GAIM?
[10:20] <krow> aftertaf, already running dist-upgrade.. was too impatient to wait for answer
[10:20] <khermans_> hehe  Terminus use 6.0 yet?
[10:20] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  run it with sudo, and close synaptic
[10:20] <aftertaf> and check your sources list againnst repos
[10:20] <aftertaf> !repos
[10:20] <ubotu> repos is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[10:20] <aftertaf> hehe krow s' cool.
[10:20] <Corrupter> did that
[10:21] <Terminus> khermans_, not yet. i'd like to some time. i think we're getting dangerously off topic. we should stop before somebody complains. hehe. :)
[10:21] <Corrupter> repos?
[10:21] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  pastebin the 404s then ;)
[10:21] <khermans_> Terminus, ahh no fun !
[10:21] <krow> :)
[10:21] <revfrthumos> wow, this has been some experience... i feel like such a newb.
[10:21] <intelikey> Corrupter also know what release you are using.   'uname -r'
[10:21] <aftertaf> see the link from ubotu Corrupter ^^^^^
[10:21] <Corrupter> 5.10
[10:21] <Terminus> khermans_, switch to #ubuntu-offtopic? :)
[10:21] <intelikey> Corrupter  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325
[10:22] <khermans_> Terminus, nah im heading to sleep soon - 4 : 30 am
[10:22] <penguinzdr> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Rtfm
[10:22] <n0dl> its one thirty on the west coast
[10:22] <penguinzdr> sorry
[10:22] <Terminus> khermans_, ok. have a good morning's sleep. :)
[10:22] <penguinzdr> how can i uninstall all kubuntu-desktop packages safely and GDM to start automaticallly after the uninstallation?
[10:23] <Corrupter> ok, one last question, what is the command to install something?
[10:23] <Terminus> Corrupter, apt-get install $something
[10:24] <Terminus> Corrupter, if you want a console front-end, you can use aptitude. for a gui, synaptic.
[10:24] <intelikey> Corrupter mam mam
[10:24] <intelikey> !man
[10:24] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man man" at the command line, or see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[10:25] <wmealing_> got a question, I'm interested in writing a package which runs on ubuntu.. when the ubuntu server boots, it gets its ldap server and config settings via the dhcp server (option 95) and then configures itself appropriately, this wouldnt be automatic or a default.. but it would also require a properly configured ubuntu ldap server.... this would be good for mass rollouts or classroom situations.. would anyone find this useful ?
[10:25] <marianna> hi
[10:25] <Terminus> hiya marianna :)
[10:26] <BockBilbo> hello
[10:26] <BockBilbo> any of you has managed to run matlab 7.0 in breezy?
[10:26] <intelikey> wmealing_ i'm sure someone would, but you will probably never hear a thank you for it.
[10:27] <Corrupter> what is file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[10:28] <topyli> n0dl: how is gaim unreliable? i have no problems other than server side suckyness
[10:28] <intelikey> it is a lock file telling apt that aptitiue or synaptic is running so it will not open.
[10:28] <Terminus> Corrupter, it's a lockfile so that other apps don't mess with it while it's being used. i've had a lot of troubles with /var/lib/dpkg/lock myself.
[10:28] <Corrupter> well it won't let ME install anything
[10:28] <n0dl> topyli: i dunno i want to try something new
[10:28] <topyli> Corrupter: it prevents you from running two apt instances simultaneously
[10:29] <wmealing_> intelikey, if its not likely to be used, i might not waste my time doing it
[10:29] <bimberi> wmealing_: the edubuntu people may be interested - #edubuntu or mailing list via http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[10:29] <Terminus> Corrupter, close all front-ends and clean it up manually.
[10:29] <Corrupter> ... and i do that... how?
[10:29] <intelikey> wmealing_ i didn't say that.
[10:30] <Corrupter> it says E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:30] <Terminus> Corrupter, are any instances of aptitude, apt, dpkg, and synaptic shut down already?
[10:30] <Corrupter> how do i do that?
[10:30] <intelikey> Corrupter close aptitude.   close synaptic   kill any apt-get that is running.     and sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lock     then try again.
[10:31] <Corrupter> i have nothing open at all other than a terminal and X-Chat
[10:31] <topyli> n0dl: well, that's different. :-) try apt-cache search messenger and take your pick. depends on which networks you wish to use
[10:31] <Terminus> Corrupter, you might also want to delete /var/lib/dpkg/lock if it exists, same way intelikey told you how.
[10:31] <intelikey> so   sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lock     then try again.
[10:31] <n0dl> alright
[10:31] <n0dl> does anyone know the package for envince?
[10:32] <agtnz> evince?
[10:32] <bimberi> n0dl: evince ?
[10:32] <n0dl> oh woops
[10:32] <n0dl> thats what its called
[10:32] <topyli> n0dl: you probably want to add a grep command to that command line, like so: apt-cache search messenger | grep client
[10:32] <Corrupter> nope
[10:32] <Corrupter> how do i close any dpkg or whatevers?
[10:32] <intelikey> n0dl topyli just pointed you to apt-cache search     maybe you should  'man apt-cache '
[10:32] <n0dl> Topyli alright
[10:33] <Terminus> Corrupter, you can use `ps aux|grep $foo` where foo is the command that you want to check for and make sure nothing is running.
[10:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> what place do you smart sharpers suggest for plane tickets within california?
[10:33] <Zag0R> hi!how  i can extend my desktop on another monitor !! TNX
[10:33] <morphix> is there any easy way to uninstall all GUI apps and gnome, etc?
[10:34] <Terminus> Corrupter, if you find something, you can use `kill $pid` or `killall $process_name`. kill -9 or killall -9 if it's being stuborn.
[10:34] <n0dl> BROKEN_LADDER,  youve got to be kidding me
[10:34] <intelikey> Zag0R google  duel head
[10:34] <Terminus> morphix, if you just want a command line, you should have installed ubuntu with the server option instead.
[10:34] <Zag0R> y now a link please!
[10:34] <Corrupter> and how do i find something?
[10:35] <Terminus> Corrupter, the ps aux command i gave above.
[10:35] <topyli> Corrupter: with ps
[10:35] <Corrupter> ok
[10:35] <morphix> Terminus, yeh i realise that, it was originally gonna get used as a desktop
[10:35] <morphix> changed my mind.
[10:35] <Terminus> morphix, maybe a reinstall will be worth more than the trouble of uninstalling packages. :)
[10:36] <topyli> morphix: just start removing some x libraries until your system is clean
[10:36] <morphix> i was hoping no downtime lol.
[10:36] <Seveas> morphix, use debfoster to prune ubuntu-desktop
[10:36] <Seveas> or whatever GUI things you installed
[10:36] <Corrupter> i see nothing like what you gusy described
[10:37] <topyli> Corrupter: if no apt, synaptic, aptitude, or dpkg processes are running, the lock file is there as a result of an error, and you can remove it
[10:37] <Terminus> Corrupter, well, that probably means that no package app is running so you can delete the lockfiles.
[10:38] <Corrupter> apt-get install gnucash
[10:38] <n0dl> why doesnt googe work on lynx?
[10:38] <Corrupter> Unable to lock the list directory
[10:38] <Seveas> Corrupter, sudo apt-get install
[10:39] <Seveas> and close synaptic/aptitude/whatever can use apt
[10:39] <topyli> n0dl: strange, it's true it's failing
[10:39] <intelikey> n0dl it does on links/elinks  i don't know about lynx,  it works on w3m also.
[10:39] <Corrupter> yay! it worked
[10:39] <rss> hi, any idea how to group bookmarks into a single category in del.icio.us?
[10:39] <topyli> Corrupter: yep, you need to use sudo for such commands
[10:39] <Terminus> lol. missing sudo.
[10:39] <rss> like it is done in http://del.icio.us/sachac
[10:40] <Corrupter> lol, somebody could have told me that a while ago...
[10:40] <aftertaf> eek, sorry curr :/
[10:40] <n0dl> i was wondering how would i delete cookies and history and stuff when i use text only browsers like w3m links lynx etc
[10:40] <Terminus> rss, you know sacha? :)
[10:40] <aftertaf> eek, sorry Corrupter  :/
[10:40] <topyli> Corrupter: heh, nobody ever thinks about the simplest explanation :)
[10:40] <Terminus> sorry Corrupter... we all missed the obvious. =D
[10:41] <Corrupter> lol
[10:41] <rss> Terminus, no, I came across it a while ago
[10:41] <Corrupter> at least we figured it out
[10:41] <rss> Terminus, is she a famous hacker?
[10:41] <Terminus> rss, oh... thought you knew her. i don't know anything about your question though...
[10:41] <Corrupter> any other little useful programs anybody wants to share?
[10:42] <Terminus> rss, well, i dunno about being famous but she got quoted a lot in the local papers here before. :)
[10:42] <rss> Terminus, where?
[10:42] <Terminus> rss, haven't seen her in a long time though... i just thought we both have a common friend. hehe
[10:42] <intelikey> Corrupter yes.   less
[10:42] <n0dl> is there a way to delete history  and cookies and stuff in text only browsers?
[10:42] <Terminus> rss, philippines.
[10:42] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  screen
[10:43] <Corrupter> aftertaf and that is?
[10:43] <topyli> Corrupter: well, i think wajig is one of the must-have admin tools. also, learn to use grep
[10:43] <intelikey> yuch screen
[10:43] <n0dl> anyone know?
[10:43] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  screen rocks
[10:43] <topyli> screen does rock
[10:43] <Corrupter> aftertaf what is it?
[10:43] <rss> Terminus, wow, if you know her yahoo id or jabber nick... can ya give me or ask her how she did it?
[10:43] <aftertaf> its a shell thing. in one terminal you can swp from page to page
[10:43] <topyli> Corrupter: use man on those commands. man sccreen, man grep etc. they have descriptions at the very top of the page
[10:44] <Corrupter> my terminal is currently at work, lol
[10:44] <aftertaf> you can close the terminal and the screen keeps running, you then connect via ssh and reattach the screen, ass it well with screen
[10:44] <Terminus> n0dl, rm the dot directory for the browser? :)
[10:44] <intelikey> n0dl sure rm their config dir in your home    rm ~/.lynx -rf   for example
[10:44] <Corrupter> and i've been through way too much hell to open another and have it crap out on me
[10:44] <rss> Terminus, the planner mode for emacs that she maintains is superb!
[10:44] <aftertaf> !info screen
[10:44] <ubotu> screen: (a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.2-4.1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 563 kB, Installed size: 972 kB
[10:44] <Corrupter> oh ya... that helps
[10:44] <n0dl> intelikey,  hmmm i have a config dir in my home?
[10:44] <aftertaf> lol
[10:44] <Terminus> rss, you might want to check her website @ http://sachac.free.net.ph for info on how to contact her. :)
[10:44] <aftertaf> !tell Corrupter about screen
[10:45] <topyli> Corrupter: sooner or later you'll end up running several terminals anyway :)
[10:45] <intelikey> n0dl most web browsers make one yes.
[10:45] <Corrupter> can we do it in english now?
[10:45] <Corrupter> i know
[10:45] <rss> Terminus, seen that, i found no contact info :(
[10:45] <Terminus> rss, her email is right at the bottom of the page. lol
[10:46] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  see this page http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macgems/
[10:46] <n0dl> intelikey: alright imma try and see if its in my home dir
[10:46] <Terminus> rss, that was sacha.free.net.ph btw. sorry.
[10:46] <rss> Terminus, sorry, I was a bit slacky
[10:46] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  screen is very subtle, its once you've used it that you realise how cool it is
[10:46] <Corrupter> i'm getting 8 404 errors when i try to do apt-get update
[10:46] <n0dl> there isnt one in my home direcotry
[10:46] <Terminus> anyway, i'm going afk. my dad just arrived and wants me to checkout some hardware he bought.
[10:46] <intelikey> 'ls df free and mount'
[10:46] <aftertaf> !tell Corrupter about pastebin
[10:47] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  pate the error to pastebin
[10:47] <rss> Terminus, bye :)
[10:47] <topyli> my favorite utility is sl. it combines entertainment and education very nicely =)
[10:47] <Corrupter> what is that?
[10:47] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  and paste us the url
[10:47] <intelikey> n0dl you sure ?
[10:47] <Terminus> rss, bye... she's a really cool girl. i wish i could code like her. hehe
[10:47] <intelikey> n0dl what browser ?
[10:48] <aftertaf> wb Hobbsee
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ty aftertaf :)
[10:48] <Corrupter> whats pastebin?
[10:48] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[10:48] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:48] <n0dl> lynx links and w3d
[10:48] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  did ubotu send you a link?
[10:48] <n0dl> or whatever the last one was called
[10:48] <Madpilot> Corrupter: you should have gotten a msg from the bot...
[10:48] <Corrupter> i just did
[10:48] <Corrupter> i didn't see it till now
[10:48] <intelikey> w3m
[10:48] <n0dl> yeah that
[10:49] <aftertaf> hehe no prob Corrupter  :)
[10:49] <intelikey> links does i know i'm looking at mine
[10:49] <bimberi> topyli: lol, never heard of sl - thanks
[10:49] <n0dl> intelikey: how can i locate it?
[10:49] <topyli> bimberi: i install it on all machines :)
[10:50] <intelikey> n0dl ls -A
[10:50] <intelikey> in your home.
[10:51] <n0dl> whoa
[10:51] <n0dl> your right
[10:51] <Corrupter> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4830
[10:51] <n0dl> geez i really should read those man pages
[10:51] <Corrupter> theres the beginning of my problem
[10:51] <topyli> bimberi: gnarr is also cool, but difficult to find these days. it generates dwarfish battle cries like "by the beards of my ancestors, i shall bring your demise!"
[10:51] <intelikey> yep
[10:51] <intelikey> that is why i keep saying that.
[10:51] <n0dl> hehe
[10:51] <BockBilbo> where is the best place to suggest a new package to be build for drapper?
[10:52] <Corrupter> anybody got any idea's?
[10:52] <BockBilbo> #ubuntu-devel ?
[10:52] <Corrupter> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4830
[10:53] <Corrupter> hello?
[10:54] <intelikey> kinda like M$ starts it's installer with the 'eula' that you have to sware you've read and agree to before you can install,  linux installers should open man man  and make you find the way to exit before you can install.   :)
[10:54] <n0dl> intelikey: so i run that rm -rf command?
[10:54] <topyli> BockBilbo: you can also file a wishlist bug in bugzilla
[10:54] <BockBilbo> topyli, bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org?
[10:54] <topyli> yes
[10:54] <intelikey> n0dl man rm
[10:54] <BockBilbo> ok
[10:54] <Corrupter> can anyone help me?
[10:55] <BockBilbo> im gonna ask in ubuntu-devel, and if people like the idea, ill write a wishlist bug there
[10:55] <topyli> BockBilbo: better yet, build and maintain the package, then report to MOTU service :)
[10:55] <n0dl> ok
[10:55] <intelikey> n0dl and yes that will clear all history/cache/cookies
[10:55] <BockBilbo> xD
[10:55] <Corrupter> *sigh*
[10:55] <BockBilbo> hehe topyli i yet dont know how to make deb packages
[10:55] <BockBilbo> :S
[10:55] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  looking
[10:56] <intelikey> as well as any customization you have done on the browser
[10:56] <topyli> BockBilbo: the good people of debian have taken care of everything: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[10:56] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  disable the backports
[10:57] <intelikey> hu  oh it's a screeny  lol Corrupter i can't see a thing there.
[10:57] <aftertaf> they must not be thei reight ones
[10:57] <topyli> BockBilbo: then you can print "Master of the Universe" on your business cards
[10:57] <BockBilbo> hha
[10:57] <topyli> much better than master of arts or some such lame titles
[10:57] <n0dl> brb
[10:57] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  do you need sth in backports?
[10:58] <Corrupter> how do i disable backports?
[10:58] <bimberi> Corrupter: "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" and put a # in front of all lines with breezy-backports in them
[10:58] <BockBilbo> thanks topyli
[10:58] <intelikey> Corrupter you 'comment' it out.     remember ?
[10:59] <topyli> BockBilbo: if you don't want to save the whole world, it's easiest to use checkinstall to build packages just for your local use
[11:00] <intelikey> bimberi actually all the Corrupter Q&A have been cli, i don't think he/she has a gui there.
[11:01] <bimberi> intelikey: ah, in that case maybe "sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list" would be better?
[11:01] <intelikey> or w3m http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325  even
[11:01] <aftertaf> i have a sewxy 3 line does all sources.list
[11:01] <Corrupter> lol, actually i do
[11:02] <Corrupter> lol, ok, i got gnucash installed, anyone know where to find it at now?
[11:02] <aftertaf> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4831
[11:03] <josias_> how are you?
[11:03] <Corrupter> anyone know where to find it at?
[11:03] <josias_> no
[11:03] <bimberi> Corrupter: I'm guessing Applications -> Office :)
[11:04] <josias_> ok
[11:04] <Corrupter> looked there, couldn't find it
[11:04] <intelikey> Corrupter apt-cache show gnucash     should give you a list,  look for the one with  bin/  in front of it.
[11:04] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  you'll need to restart gnome to find it, or run it from terminal
[11:04] <josias_> i saw the list
[11:04] <bimberi> Corrupter:  you can always type gnucash from the terminal
[11:04] <intelikey> oh on the menu   hehhe nope.
[11:04] <Corrupter> alright, there we go
[11:05] <Corrupter> ok, lol, next quest
[11:05] <Corrupter> gdesklette?
[11:05] <bimberi> Corrupter: gdesklets?
[11:05] <jmspeex> Anyone's got a clue what atftpd gives me: "connect: Address family not supported by protocol"? Running 5.10
[11:05] <topyli> Corrupter: it's enough to restart the panel
[11:06] <Corrupter> topyli huh?
[11:06] <topyli> Corrupter: killall gnome-panel. it will respawn and the menu will be up to date
[11:07] <Corrupter> alright, anyways, is there any way to download gdesklets in terminal?
[11:07] <intelikey> Corrupter if you are not going to use 'synaptic '   in the gui, then 'apt-cache search <blah> '     and    'sudo apt-get install <blah> '    learn them, use them.
[11:07] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get gdesklets?
[11:08] <bimberi> s/t g/t install g/
[11:08] <gnomefreak> + install in there
[11:08] <duncanjm> Help? Every time I run Synaptic, I have to reload my repositories to see multiverse/universe. Even if I only used it 2-3 mins ago.. How to save between sessions?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> duncanjm, synaptic should save them after reload try running from terminal "sudo apt-get update
[11:09] <gnomefreak> "
[11:09] <gnomefreak> no quotes
[11:09] <intelikey> bbl
[11:09] <heatxsink> hello all
[11:10] <gnomefreak> be back in a min or so i gota run downstairs
[11:10] <heatxsink> when I boot my desktop machine running Ubuntu Breezy, it does not make a /dev/dvd link to /dev/hdc, how to I make this happen so I don't have to do it manually when I reboot?
[11:10] <heatxsink> thanks :-)
[11:10] <duncanjm> LjeefeaTeo <---- Thanks, I'll try that (but I'm waiting for the reporsitory reload right now, so I while) :)
[11:14] <topyli> you could add it to an init script, or specify hdc as the device in your player if it has such an option
[11:14] <topyli> heatxsink: ^
[11:15] <heatxsink> topyli:  which init script?
[11:15] <topyli> heatxsink: if your player is in the default ubuntu installation, it's a bug too, and should be reported
[11:15] <bimberi> heatxsink: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:15] <topyli> bootmisc, yes
[11:16] <gnomefreak> is there an openoffice meta package? that has all OOo files in it?
[11:16] <onkarshinde> gnomefreak: openoffice.org2
[11:16] <bimberi> gnomefreak: openoffice.org2
[11:16] <heatxsink> bimberi:  so do I just put "ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd" at the end of that script?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:16] <bimberi> heatxsink: that's what i would try :)
[11:17] <bimberi> go away spambot
[11:17] <heatxsink> brb
[11:17] <heatxsink> thanks guiys
[11:20] <bimberi> :)
[11:27] <khermans_> Sweet!  got GmailFS working!!!
[11:28] <J_P> hi all
[11:28] <all> hi
[11:28] <onkarshinde> J_P: Hi
[11:31] <Terminus> khermans_, i thought you went to sleep already? :p
[11:31] <khermans_> GmailFS kept me up
[11:31] <drcode> hi all
[11:31] <khermans_> got it working now :-)
[11:31] <all> hi
[11:31] <drcode> how I can delete evolution calander?
[11:32] <Terminus> khermans_, that has got to be the slowest FS ever. :p
[11:32] <khermans_> Terminus, i dont care -- im using it for backup purposes
[11:32] <khermans_> my servers will be in good hands
[11:32] <drcode> where it store his config files?
[11:33] <topyli> khermans_: yeah well, if you configure 100 gmail accounts, you'll have about 250G or space there :)
[11:34] <all> drcode 'ls -A ~ '
[11:34] <drcode> I delete .evolutoin dir and still it open ok
[11:34] <drcode> with all my settings
[11:34] <drcode> .evoltuin
[11:35] <khermans_> anyone know how to use the date command with %Y formatting?
[11:35] <Terminus> khermans_, i'm curious since i've never tried used gmailFS, can it use multiple accounts as one FS? :)
[11:35] <khermans_> tha man page is cryptic
[11:35] <topyli> drcode: some stuff is probably in .gnome2 too
[11:35] <khermans_> Terminus, dont think so
[11:35] <topyli> Terminus: i think you'll have to mount them separately
[11:35] <khermans_> yea
[11:36] <Terminus> hmmm... fun with symlinks. heh
[11:36] <morzel> hi every!
[11:36] <topyli> Terminus: and a monster fstab :)
[11:37] <topyli> got to show up in the office
[11:37] <Terminus> yeah... spending money for raid will save you the aggravation. hehe
[11:37] <morzel> i have ubuntu 5.10, ati radeon 9550 with tv-out, and I wan't to play videos with totem, but I can't. There is a blank screen
[11:37] <drcode> k
[11:37] <drcode> found the prob
[11:37] <drcode> thanx
[11:37] <morzel> can any help me?
[11:37] <Terminus> khermans_, hmmm... i just use the format listed at the top of the manpage. i don't know what %Y actually means either.
[11:38] <khermans_> Terminus, well i want a script that adds the date to the file name
[11:38] <khermans_> so i thought i could format the date string output with some options
[11:38] <khermans_> want files to look like myBackup_2005-11-21.tar.bz2
[11:39] <onkarshinde> morzel: what kind of video is it?
[11:39] <morzel> avi file
[11:39] <khermans_> morzel, you wathing pr0n?
[11:39] <khermans_> try vlc
[11:39] <khermans_> aptitude install vlc
[11:39] <all> wathing ?
[11:39] <morzel> vlc has the same problem
[11:40] <onkarshinde> morzel: what kind of video?
[11:40] <khermans_> hrm, maybe you need the w32codecs
[11:40] <morzel> mplayer can play normaly, but lagging
[11:40] <morzel> i have w32 codecs
[11:40] <crimsun> vlc doesn't use w32codecs
[11:40] <Terminus> khermans_, i'm trying to figure it out.
[11:40] <onkarshinde> morzel: I mean type of video. 'file -i filename' should tell you something
[11:40] <khermans_> Terminus, i know -- stupid huh?  or we're just dumb
[11:40] <crimsun> if vlc can't play it, it's due to our not compiling with libxvidcore4 support
[11:41] <Terminus> khermans_, we're just a bit slow. ;)
[11:42] <Terminus> khermans_, figured it out. i think you want date +%F :)
[11:42] <khermans_> Terminus, where the hell in the docs does it say + ???
[11:42] <khermans_> doh...
[11:42] <`6og> does anyone know if there is an ubuntu network install cd?
[11:42] <Terminus> khermans_, it says +FORMAT at the top. :)
[11:43] <khermans_> quick eyes leave brain to take the blame
[11:44] <cyphase> Is anyone else using a Netgear WG311v2 PCI wireless card?
[11:45] <[Jonne] > nope
[11:45] <cyphase> the wiki says it should work
[11:45] <cyphase> out of the box
[11:45] <[Jonne] > well, if the wiki says it, it must be true
[11:45] <[Jonne] > what's your problem
[11:45] <cyphase> lol
[11:45] <cyphase> well..
[11:45] <cyphase> it's not working..
[11:46] <cyphase> i try scanning for a network
[11:46] <cyphase> and it say's it can't find any
[11:46] <cyphase> even though i'm right next to the router
[11:46] <[Jonne] > you mean it drops your connection when you start shareaza?
[11:46] <[Jonne] > or is this completely unrelated to shareaza?
[11:46] <[Jonne] > oh crap
[11:46] <[Jonne] > sorry
[11:46] <cyphase> completely unrelated
[11:46] <cyphase> lol
[11:46] <cyphase> wrong channel?
[11:46] <[Jonne] > i thought i was in the #shareaza channel
[11:47] <[Jonne] > i can't really help you on that then
[11:47] <[Jonne] > are you sure your router is broadcasting its SSID?
[11:47] <cyphase> yes
[11:47] <cyphase> i have another wireless card..
[11:48] <cyphase> and when i used ndiswrapper to get it to work, it found the network
[11:48] <cyphase> but this one isn't working
[11:48] <[Jonne] > does the wiki say anything about getting the drivers or something?
[11:49] <cyphase> no
[11:50] <[Jonne] > meh, i wouldn't know then. I only once used wireless in Linux, and it worked out of the box. So i don't know a lot about what problems one might encounter
[11:50] <NoobieDoobieDo> I've read on several forums that people who have decent / good hardware are having trouble with Ubuntu running slow in situations where Windows runs noticeably faster.  Comments / Ideas ?
[11:50] <aftertaf> NoobieDoobieDo:  configure linux correctly, forget windows /end of comment         :]
[11:50] <[Jonne] > NoobieDoobieDo, i wouldn't know anything that runs slowaer on linux
[11:50] <[Jonne] > *slower
[11:51] <[Jonne] > i even get a better framerate when i play neverball
[11:51] <NoobieDoobieDo> aftertaf: I've used several distros out of the box. Ubuntu seems to be the most sluggish.  Its making a 1ghz feel like a 750mhz
[11:51] <[Jonne] > use something other than gnome
[11:51] <[Jonne] > try E17, if you don't mind messing around
[11:51] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:52] <aftertaf> :)
[11:52] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: what cpu?
[11:52] <NoobieDoobieDo> aftertaf: if you do some google searches youll see what i mean. even people with nice videos cards, 1gb ram and so on are having trouble.  With _1GB_ of RAM and a 1GHZ cpu + you should have no problems.
[11:52] <NoobieDoobieDo> You shouldnt need to `configure` that ^^
[11:52] <`6og> NoobieDoobieDo: i don't have to ;)
[11:53] <NoobieDoobieDo> but a lot of people are having this problem, which I consider Ubuntu specific.
[11:53] <nomed> hi all
[11:53] <[Jonne] > you need to change the xorg.conf file from 'vesa' to 'whatever card is running'
[11:53] <[Jonne] > and other stuff like yjay
[11:53] <[Jonne] > *that
[11:53] <nomed> why my usplash stops when init starts ?
[11:53] <all> NoobieDoobieDo i loaded ub on a p1 133mhz with 98m ram and it didn't seem slow on it....
[11:53] <nomed> have you any idea?
[11:53] <NoobieDoobieDo> [Jonne] : already done. even applied some other tweats.
[11:53] <`6og> does an imac boot from usb? can it boot usb?
[11:54] <wmealing_> no
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> all ; in GUI mode ?
[11:54] <all> yes
[11:54] <wmealing_> it can boot from firewire, i know that much.
[11:54] <aftertaf> NoobieDoobieDo:  fair enough, but have they submitted bug reports, asksed on here and said what config they have etc etc etc.? if there are bugs, a loooot of people dont have them and those that do can contribute by bugreporting and finding out why
[11:54] <pinkisntwell> can i install from the livecd or should i get the install cd to install if i decide to do so?
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> LOL.
[11:54] <all> fluxbox
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> I do not believe you.
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> oh
[11:54] <`6og> all: wish i had your patitience :)
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> not GNOME.
[11:54] <[Jonne] > well, i wouldn't know then, but ghz, isn't really 'top of the line' in my eyes
[11:54] <all> NoobieDoobieDo running kde right now
[11:54] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: please read my question above.
[11:54] <[Jonne] > my laptop is 2 years old and runs at 1,8 Ghz
[11:54] <all> and no swap partition/file either.
[11:54] <nomed> does usplash work for all of you?
[11:55] <`6og> hi aftertaf
[11:55] <NoobieDoobieDo> crimsun: Intel Celeron 1GHZ
[11:55] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: dpkg -l linux-686|grep ^ii
[11:55] <[Jonne] > 1ghz celeron? you call that modern?
[11:55] <NoobieDoobieDo> [Jonne] : it runs win2k just fine.
[11:55] <crimsun> nomed: works fine here
[11:55] <aftertaf> hi '6
[11:55] <`6og> [Jonne] : my laptops a 500mhz celeron
[11:55] <[Jonne] > well, yeah, but try running xp on that
[11:56] <NoobieDoobieDo> crimsun: what kind of speedup did u get
[11:56] <NoobieDoobieDo> [Jonne] : i run XP on this crap 1gh duron amd.
[11:56] <aftertaf> optimised kernel is the way to go...
[11:56] <[Jonne] > you'll have to tweak down some stuff
[11:56] <nomed> crimsun, that's really strange .. it works untill it's in iniramfs when init starts the splash is gone ..
[11:56] <nomed> i just see runlevels [OK]
[11:56] <all> NoobieDoobieDo i run linux + kde on this p1  what's your point ?
[11:57] <nomed> i really can't figure out what's the problem
[11:57] <[Jonne] > NoobieDoobieDo, do you run that with that ugly default luna theme, or windows classic?
[11:57] <NoobieDoobieDo> all : the point is Ubuntu is sluggish for a lot of people with decent systems and i think this sucks.
[11:57] <NoobieDoobieDo> [Jonne] : default XP settings
[11:58] <all> NoobieDoobieDo so don't use it.    but don't come in here trolling about it.
[11:58] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: nominal speedups, if any
[11:58] <NoobieDoobieDo> all: I didnt realize how many people were having this trouble, i thought it was just the crappy video card fault. but once i started checking the different forums I found a lot of people having sluggish performance out of 1GHZ + systems w/enough ram, etc.
[11:58] <viviersf> :(
[11:58] <Terminus> NoobieDoobieDo, well, i couldn't stand gnome on debian on a p3 800mhz box either. for boxen like yours, i'd probably use openbox instead.
[11:58] <viviersf> i just dont get why lilo refuses to install sumtimes
[11:58] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: we didn't enable preempt, for instance.
[11:59] <Terminus> crimsun, any particular reason why not?
[11:59] <viviersf> it seems it happens on the pheonix bios's
[11:59] <viviersf> :(
[11:59] <crimsun> Terminus: stability.
[11:59] <viviersf> any1 have any ideas ?
[11:59] <NoobieDoobieDo> I tried apt-get updrade dist (etc) the other day to go to 5.10 but it just hosed gdm and some other stuff.
[12:00] <crimsun> it was a config decision early in the devel cycle. Dapper has voluntary preempt enabled currently, however.
[12:00] <all> NoobieDoobieDo i could hardly care less!   seeing i use mdk not bunutu, but don't come in here trolling.    you are really showing you I.Q.  and not your age.     if you don't like it don't use it.    but leave the good people alone that do like it.
[12:00] <Terminus> crimsun, oh... i didn't know that had an effect on stability. that's one particular part of ubuntu that i don't like right now, it performs like XP under heavy load. :(
[12:00] <NoobieDoobieDo> all : if you see how I started the chat I'm asking for COMMENTS / SUGGESTIONS. Not trolling.
[12:00] <n0dl> how do i download things when i use links?
[12:01] <crimsun> Terminus: no, we err on the side of stability
[12:01] <all> you got them.  now stop trolling and leave.
[12:01] <NoobieDoobieDo> all : who made you IRC god. get real.
[12:01] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: / all: quit it, please.
[12:01] <n0dl> does anyone know how to use links or any text-based browsers?
[12:01] <nomed> crimsun, could you just check if you have a link to /etc/init.d/usplash in any /etc/rc*?
[12:01] <Terminus> crimsun, well, i learned something new from you today. nice to hear it's enabled by default on dapper though. i don't like recompiling kernels but i do know how. :)
[12:01] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: if it's an issue, feel free to recompile your own linux-image with the appropriate config changes.
[12:01] <NoobieDoobieDo> n0dl: yes.
[12:02] <n0dl> NoobieDoobieDo,  how do i download things using a textbased browswer like links
[12:03] <crimsun> nomed: sure, it's /etc/rc2.d/S98usplash for instance
[12:03] <NoobieDoobieDo> n0dl: navigate to the DL link and select it, it should prompt you with a `popup window` at that point.
[12:03] <n0dl> ok
[12:04] <nomed> crimsun, yes i have the same ...
[12:05] <nomed> but i would expect even an rcS.d/S00usplash-start :)
[12:05] <crimsun> nomed: so what's the issue?
[12:05] <nomed> i can't really figure out this issue
[12:05] <nomed> crimsun, when init start the splash stops
[12:05] <nomed> untill it's in initramfs everything is fine ...
[12:05] <NoobieDoobieDo> ahh I just saw you can apt-get install Xubuntu ... im going to try that.
[12:05] <nomed> no progress but i suppose this is normal
[12:05] <crimsun> nomed: that's impossible, init starts way before usplash
[12:06] <nomed> init start when run_init is called within initramfs
[12:06] <crimsun> right, usplash isn't even in the picture at that point
[12:06] <nomed> usplash bin is in initramfs too
[12:07] <crimsun> of course, it needs to be.
[12:07] <nomed> so ...
[12:07] <crimsun> I don't even know what your symptoms are
[12:07] <nomed> usplash stop after run_init
[12:08] <crimsun> please be more explicit
[12:08] <nomed> crimsun,
[12:08] <nomed>  grep run-init /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init
[12:08] <crimsun> what about it?
[12:08] <nomed> after that my splash is gone
[12:08] <nomed> i haven't any splash after run-init
[12:08] <crimsun> replaced with what?
[12:09] <nomed> nothing
[12:09] <crimsun> a black screen?
[12:09] <nomed> i see tty with "running runlevel ...   [ok] "
[12:10] <nomed> as if in cmdlibe there was no splah specified
[12:10] <all> crimsun i think nomed is saying, at boot time he gets this pretty picture but it leaves and this ugly text is displayed before gdm starts and gives another pretty picture.   so the thing must be broken cause he saw text for 20 seconds at startup.
[12:10] <nomed> cmdline
[12:10] <crimsun> is it the only kernel image in menu.lst?
[12:10] <[Jonne] > is there a way to turn off the system beep?
[12:10] <nomed> all, you got it
[12:10] <nomed> fiuu
[12:11] <nomed> crimsun, no
[12:11] <[Jonne] > I turn off sound especially to not annoy others, but every time i screw up in the terminal, my box beeps
[12:11] <crimsun> nomed: which is it?
[12:11] <nomed> the default for ex
[12:11] <all> the internal speaker [Jonne]  ?
[12:11] <nomed> anyway it doesn't work with any ..
[12:11] <crimsun> nomed: meaning it's the first one?
[12:11] <nomed> yes
[12:11] <nomed> and with the second is the same
[12:12] <crimsun> have you regenerated it?
[12:12] <crimsun> it won't work with the second one unless you pass splash to it
[12:12] <nomed> crimsun, i think it not kernel related
[12:12] <dpro\\> hey guys!
[12:12] <nomed> if it was i couldn't see the picture at all
[12:12] <crimsun> no, have you regenerated the initramfs linkage
[12:12] <crimsun> presuming it's the current kernel, ''sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)''
[12:12] <dpro\\> i would like to know if you (yes you!), know a good wireless network sniffer/configuration tool
[12:13] <crimsun> dpro\\: kismet is nice imo
[12:13] <nomed> crimsun, that will rebuild the initramfs
[12:13] <nomed> and the usplash is working there
[12:13] <crimsun> nomed: right, that's what I asked.
[12:13] <dpro\\> kismet, okay... it also works with 54mbps networks?
[12:13] <[Jonne] > all, yes
[12:13] <crimsun> dpro\\: it doesn't care what network it is
[12:13] <nomed> my problem arrives after run-init
[12:14] <dpro\\> crimsun, okay, sounds pretty neat, i will try that when i come home...
[12:14] <crimsun> nomed: I presume you're running Breezy?
[12:14] <nomed> yes
[12:14] <Ubuntu-NewBie> hi
[12:14] <all> actually [Jonne]  i've heard that there is.  but don't ask me how.    i just unplug mine from the board.
[12:14] <[Jonne] > i can't really open up my computer
[12:14] <Ubuntu-NewBie> i cant play DVDs, and the (regionset) in the ubuntu website didnt work.. i dont know the region number or smth like that, could anybody help me please?!
[12:15] <crimsun> nomed: got your /var/log/dmesg posted?
[12:15] <Terminus> ubotu, tell Ubuntu-NewBie about restrictedformats
[12:15] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  i went there dude.. i dont know whats the region number for my drive!
[12:15] <n0dl> how do i type in w3m?
[12:15] <n0dl> i mean input
[12:15] <n0dl> text
[12:16] <rambo3> i
[12:17] <all> n0dl you can set the hot key,  i think the default is I
[12:17] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, regions are ugly. i think you can only change that four times in the drive's firmware.
[12:18] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, yea but what can i do other than that
[12:18] <rss> Terminus, mailed.
[12:18] <n0dl> all: taht isnt it
[12:18] <rambo3> does vlc work ubuntu-newbe?
[12:19] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, strip the code i guess. i'm not knowledgeable enough about the topic to actually guide you through.
[12:19] <all> ?
[12:19] <Terminus> rss, cool. where're you from btw? :)
[12:19] <rss> Terminus, India
[12:19] <all> n0dl man w3m
[12:19] <Terminus> rss, i remember when she busted her ipaq from all the bootloader tweaking. hehe
[12:19] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  all right, but thanks man
[12:19] <Ubuntu-NewBie> !
[12:19] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Ubuntu-NewBie
[12:19] <n0dl> oh i found it
[12:20] <all> n0dl what is it ?
[12:20] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, maybe doom9.org will help you.
[12:20] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, ok its not ejecting
[12:21] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, tried typing eject in the console?
[12:21] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  it sais invalid argument!
[12:21] <Ubuntu-NewBie> no
[12:21] <Ubuntu-NewBie> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[12:22] <rss> bye all
[12:22] <rss> Terminus, bye
[12:22] <all> by
[12:22] <Terminus> rss, bye.
[12:22] <rss> all, :D
[12:23] <dpro\\> have fun
[12:23] <rambo3> do not install ubuntu into airplanes like f16 f15
[12:23] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, maybe it was automounted bye gnome. minimize all windows, check if it's on your desktop. if so, right click and unmount/eject.
[12:23] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, its not
[12:23] <Terminus> errr... s/bye/by/
[12:23] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, ok... that's weird. make sure you're not using that FS when you try to eject.
[12:24] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  whats FS?
[12:24] <Terminus> FS = File System.
[12:24] <Ubuntu-NewBie> well Terminus yes i am
[12:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  there's no such thing as unmout when i right click on it..!!
[12:25] <Terminus> it won't eject if you're in the mount point for the dvd and stuff.
[12:25] <rambo3> how about using terminal
[12:25] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, there should be an eject i think.
[12:25] <all> rambo3 no i would think that might be the place for windows 2k
[12:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, yea it gives me the error!
[12:25] <all> or i mean me
[12:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Invalid Argument
[12:25] <Terminus> rambo3, wouldn't eject. maybe because gnome volume manager mounted it.
[12:26] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, errr... i thought you said that was the error that `eject` gave you from the console.
[12:26] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, same on as the console man.. Invalid Argument
[12:27] <dpro\\> also when you try to force it?
[12:27] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie did you try adding the device ?      eject /dev/hd?      or eject /dev/scd#  ?
[12:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, how can i force it..
[12:28] <dpro\\> try sudo eject --force /dev/whatever it is
[12:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all, it was working a second ago
[12:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> but it stopped after i did that
[12:28] <n0dl> is anyone here good with links?
[12:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> region number thingy
[12:28] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, what does `sudo fuser /dev/$dvd` say? replace $dvd with the actual device.
[12:28] <all> n0dl what ya need ?
[12:29] <all>  any1 know how i can find the dir mysql resides in?
[12:29] <n0dl> all: why cant i view ssl scripts?
[12:29] <all> url ?
[12:29] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, how can i know whats the drive name?
[12:30] <dpro\\> what is it that you want to eject?
[12:30] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, the DVD drive but i dont know its name
[12:31] <all> s/name/address/ ^
[12:32] <n0dl> all: www.tuxmagazine.com
[12:32] <n0dl> im trying to go the download section but it wont let me
[12:32] <n0dl> it says something about not being able to access taht script
[12:32] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, so?
[12:32] <n0dl> like SSL or TSL or seomthing liek that
[12:33] <all> i don't know n0dl i got it just fine.
[12:33] <dpro\\> Ubuntu-NewBie, try to look in /media
[12:33] <dpro\\> and tell what is in there
[12:33] <all> it's ssl but links opened it ok for me.
[12:34] <Ubuntu-NewBie> cdrom cdrom0 cdrom1
[12:34] <n0dl> all: did you sudo apt-get links or did you make it from source
[12:34] <n0dl> im not sure which version i have
[12:34] <dpro\\> try, ls -l
[12:35] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, ok alot of things showed
[12:35] <all> well n0dl i 'urpmi links '  as root.  but that is because i'm on mdk not ub.  :)
[12:36] <n0dl> all: wait i found it... appeartenly i didnt get the libssl package
[12:36] <n0dl> awkard
[12:36] <Ubuntu-NewBie> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fuser /dev/cdrom
[12:36] <all> and n0dl it is not an issue of not haveing the latest.  my links is ' Links 2.1pre2'
[12:36] <Ubuntu-NewBie> /dev/cdrom:          28792 28933
[12:36] <n0dl> *awkward
[12:37] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\,  u see that?
[12:37] <dpro\\> looks like its /dev/cdrom
[12:37] <Ubuntu-NewBie> yup
[12:37] <dpro\\> then try sudo eject --force /dev/cdrom
[12:38] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, eject: unrecognized option `--force
[12:38] <Mr_J_> Hi
[12:38] <Mr_J_> I have a problem with using twinview.
[12:39] <Mr_J_> I think it comes from me not defining "nvAGP" "2"
[12:39] <Mr_J_> which I'm not sure I have to since my card is PCI-E
[12:39] <Mr_J_> that only applies to AGP cards. right?
[12:40] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, still here man?
[12:40] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, can you please paste the result of `mount` in a pastebin?
[12:40] <dpro\\> Ubuntu-NewBie, then try sudo eject -v /dev/cdrom
[12:41] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, i type mount in console?
[12:41] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, yeah worked ;)
[12:41] <Ubuntu-NewBie> do i have to do it like that all the times?!
[12:42] <all> no
[12:42] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, oh... it worked already. nevermind. hehe. :)
[12:42] <all> only if something is bork
[12:42] <all> or is that borked ?
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> okay now
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> it didnt eject again
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> thats stupid :s
[12:43] <dpro\\> sounds strange
[12:43] <dpro\\> Ubuntu-NewBie, did you unmount it?
[12:43] <all> looks like gnome has the device set incorrectly.
[12:43] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, ok, type `mount` in a console and paste the results. looks like eject is getting confused because you have two drives.
[12:43] <dpro\\> with umount /dev/cdrom
[12:43] <dpro\\> ?
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, whats mount and unmout man i dont know a thing
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> ok where can i pastE?
[12:44] <Terminus> !paste
[12:44] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[12:44] <Mr_J_> pastebin.com
[12:45] <Ubuntu-NewBie> okay Terminus http://pastebin.com/435455
[12:45] <krage> hi i need to edit xorg.conf from the terminal (can't load x) how do I do it?
[12:45] <pinkisntwell> i'm downloading the livecd to test ubuntu for my hardware. if i decide to install, will i have to download the install cd too?
[12:45] <dpro\\> with
[12:45] <dpro\\> nano krage
[12:46] <krage> dpro\\: ?
[12:46] <dpro\\> yeah with nano
[12:46] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, ok... that's funny. it's not listed as mounted so you should be able to eject it.
[12:46] <krage> okey :)
[12:46] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Guys its not ejecting anythign!!! not only that cd.. any cd i try to put its not ejecting
[12:46] <dpro\\> or do you need to get out in the terminal
[12:46] <krage> no its okey, i just read you wrong :P
[12:46] <krage> thx
[12:47] <krage> :)
[12:47] <Ubuntu-NewBie> does it have to do anything with changing the region number or smth?
[12:47] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie can you also paste your fstab
[12:48] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all,  bash: fstab: command not found
[12:48] <drcode> hi all
[12:48] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, long shot, and i know this is not the linux way, but maybe it'll work if you'll reboot. maybe the OS got confused because the firmware changed or something. i'm just guessing at this point.
[12:49] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie can you also paste your fstab  'cat /etc/fstab '
[12:49] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all, http://pastebin.com/435459
[12:49] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, according to a quick google, there're two common reasons. 1. your cd drive is broken
[12:49] <Terminus> 2. the cd youre trying to use has an error
[12:50] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, il try rebooting if it doesnt work
[12:50] <Ubuntu-NewBie> no its not :P
[12:50] <all> ok one more thing   'ls -l /dev/cdrom '    and the one line of out put you can put in here.
[12:51] <all> ^ Ubuntu-NewBie
[12:52] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, well, you can try `eject /dev/hdc` and `eject /dev/hdd`
[12:52] <all> yeah i'm looking for where that symlink is pointing.
[12:52] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all, lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-11-17 21:26 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[12:52] <all> k
[12:54] <all> hmmm if changing the firmware didn't confuse gnome (which i'm not a gnomer) then i don't see the reason for an error....
[12:54] <Terminus> all, funny though... mount says it's not mounted.
[12:54] <Terminus> and i doubt it's because he edited mtab.
 go ahead and reboot as if you were in that other os.
[12:55] <aftertaf> reedit it then
[12:55] <J_Element> hello , can any one help me install my sound card driver ...
[12:55] <J_Element> i cant seem to know how ...
[12:55] <Terminus> aftertaf, that was just theoretical. i don't think he actually edited it. :)
[12:56] <all> Terminus aftertaf if it was mounted tho he could see files on the disk
[12:56] <rambo3> any ides on a ftp client with good gui?
[12:56] <aftertaf> J_Element:  what card?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> rambo3: gftp is OK
[12:57] <aftertaf> rambo3:  loads of em, open synaptic and search ftp
[12:57] <J_Element> sound card built in , ! intel 915 GAV
[12:57] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie  you still here ?     'ls /media/cdrom0 '
[12:57] <J_Element> realtek or some thin like that
[12:57] <aftertaf> J_Element:  what does lspci show you?   paste to pastebin
[12:57] <thoreauputic> rambo3: the nautilus file manager can do ftp too (and is installed by default)
[12:57] <Terminus> rambo3, even nautilus will work.
[12:57] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie ?
[12:58] <rambo3> and firefox will work too, i just asked for one good gui
[12:58] <J_Element> what do u mena ?
[12:58] <J_Element> mean*
[12:58] <thoreauputic> rambo3: well, try gftp then
[12:58] <aftertaf> rambo3:  kbear
[12:58] <J_Element> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03)
[12:58] <rambo3> yeah thx thor
[12:59] <all> J_Element it means run the command 'lspci '  and paste the output in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:59] <J_Element> what do mean ?
[12:59] <all> nm i see
[01:00] <J_Element> ok
[01:00] <J_Element> i did that ! but how do i get steps into installing the card driver
[01:01] <all> J_Element aftertaf is probably working on it, give him a minute
[01:02] <J_Element> k
[01:02] <thoreauputic> J_Element: it's probably installed already - have you tried running the mixer ? ( double click the loud speaker icon and check for muted channels, or run alsamixer in a terminal )
[01:02] <J_Element> i cant see the mixer thingie :S
[01:03] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[01:03] <all> then try the terminal command
[01:03] <thoreauputic> J_Element: OK open a terminal and type "alsamixer"
[01:03] <J_Element> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[01:03] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:03] <J_Element> yeah ! im not that kinda idiot :D
[01:04] <all> what kind ?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> J_Element: any output from  "  lsmod | grep snd  " ? (Don't paste it here)
[01:04] <aftertaf> type 'aumix'
[01:04] <J_Element> no output
[01:04] <all> aftertaf not installed by default
[01:05] <J_Element> aumix : bash: aumix: command not found
[01:05] <thoreauputic> J_Element: did you try   lsmod | grep snd   ?
[01:05] <aftertaf> ok, do we test a mixer or see if the soundcard is recognised by his box .... ?
[01:05] <J_Element> yeah
[01:05] <J_Element> no output
[01:05] <aftertaf> which is an answer ;)
[01:06] <all> check for card
[01:06] <thoreauputic> J_Element: OK you haven't got a driver loaded :|  Next step
[01:06] <J_Element> k
[01:06] <thoreauputic> cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:06] <aftertaf> `6og:  hard to autotab your nick kaiser ;)
[01:06] <J_Element> cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[01:07] <thoreauputic> what ?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> weird
[01:07] <J_Element> yepp :D
[01:07] <`6og> aftertaf: lol. yeh. it's a neat one like that ;)
[01:07] <all> me either and my sound work
[01:07] <aftertaf> J_Element:  type cat proc/a  then use tab to complete it
[01:08] <aftertaf> make sure you have one ;)
[01:08] <J_Element> lol
[01:08] <J_Element> its not working :D
[01:08] <aftertaf> cat /proc/a   i meant. forgot the w00t slash
[01:08] <all> apm is all i have in /proc/a
[01:08] <aftertaf> !info asound
[01:08] <J_Element> yeah ...
[01:09] <J_Element> no sound was found ! it showed a list
[01:09] <krage> is there any place I can download ubuntu Breezy | not the Breezy Badger
[01:09] <aftertaf> i dont have apm. i have acpi
[01:09] <aftertaf> krage:  makes 0 sense, its the same thing
[01:10] <all> krage i didn't know there was a just breezy  ????
[01:10] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: apm suggests it's an old box, does it not?
[01:10] <aftertaf> J_Element:   try sudo modprobe soundcore
[01:10] <krage> okey, then i am wron agein :P
[01:10] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  hehe the one that is old and obsolete, i NEVER manage to remember which one it is. acpi is good, right? newer one
[01:10] <J_Element> nuttin
[01:11] <aftertaf> krage:  never mind. we all learn ;)
[01:11] <aftertaf> J_Element:  good thing that.... if nuttin then no error returned.
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: acpi is newer, not nesesarily "good" :)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: yes - my old pentium 200 needed apm - this one has acpi :)
[01:11] <J_Element> yeah
[01:11] <smo> thoreauputic, I don't think ICH6 (his intel southbridge) is a terribly old chipset .. my board at home uses it, and it's a sata/pci-express/etc gizmo board
[01:11] <krage> *having trubel getting ubuntu on my laptop* and the "manual" on the net it only stand Breezy so i was thinkin it was an older verion
[01:11] <thoreauputic> smo: OK - informative
[01:13] <all> krage no it is a bad habbit around here to leave the last part of the name off.     like hoary     or breezy         they are really hoary hedgehog    and breezy badger
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> all: they are realy ubuntu 5.04 and ubuntu 5.10 ;)
[01:13] <J_Element> aftertaf, got any sol'
[01:14] <krage> yea but the man who wrote the "manual" is to did write ubuntu gnu/linux so when he deid take the gnu part, he also should take the badger :P
[01:14] <all> Kamping_Kaiser that would be the release but the names i said....
[01:15] <all> krage or the release number   yes
[01:18] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all im sorry
[01:18] <Ubuntu-NewBie> back niow
[01:19] <J_Element> ubotu, sound driver
[01:19] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, J_Element
[01:19] <J_Element> !ubotu, sound driver
[01:19] <J_Element> ubotu, tell J_Element  about sound driver
[01:19] <aftertaf> J_Element:  ok, now try cat /proc/asound/cards again
[01:19] <Ubuntu-NewBie> intelikey, you here??
[01:20] <aftertaf> J_Element:  you can /msg ubotu sound too
[01:20] <sexcopter8000m> hi, does anyone know of any ntp servers in germany, or where i can find ntp servers?
[01:20] <J_Element> cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[01:20] <J_Element>  /msg ubotu sound
[01:20] <intelikey> yeah Ubuntu-NewBie ?
[01:21] <aftertaf> J_Element:  debugging sound pbs
[01:21] <J_Element> what ?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:21] <aftertaf> type aplay -l
[01:21] <thoreauputic> ^^
[01:21] <aftertaf> -l = L in small
[01:21] <aftertaf> not one
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> intelikey, i cant play DVDs!
[01:22] <aftertaf> !restricted
[01:22] <ubotu> I guess restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> intelikey, it Totem locks up
[01:22] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  see that link ^^^^^^^^
[01:22] <Pygi> ubuntu-newbie you need to install codecs to play DVD
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Pygi, i installed all the codecs in that site
[01:22] <intelikey> !codecs
[01:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> i still cant play.. the program freezez
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> *freezes :P
[01:23] <J_Element> ....
[01:23] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  did you turun the libdvdcss script too?
[01:23] <Ubuntu-NewBie> turun?
[01:23] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  try with xine   (turun == run with wrong letters on the front )  ;)
[01:24] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, im not getting this
[01:25] <Pygi> go here : ubuntuguide.com
[01:25] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  try using xine. see if it freezes too, if it does, its a system problem, if not then a totem bug
[01:25] <Pygi> you will see how to play dvd's
[01:25] <aftertaf> nooooooooooooo ubuntuguide is badd
[01:25] <Pygi> or install codecs
[01:25] <Pygi> well, for him it's good
[01:25] <aftertaf> lol
[01:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, okay
[01:25] <Pygi> not funny, not funny at all :)
[01:25] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  never had much luck with totem myself
[01:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Xine is better?
[01:26] <aftertaf> 1st step is to eliminate the software
[01:26] <aftertaf> imho yes
[01:26] <aftertaf> by far
[01:26] <intelikey> Ubuntu-NewBie i cant play dvd's either, but i think i know the reason i can't.   i have no dvd drive. ;/           about all i'm good for on this will be helping you get the disk out of the tray.
[01:26] <Astxist> I use mplayer myself but yeah totem not so good for me
[01:26] <aftertaf> ununtor mplayer too, that rox too
[01:26] <aftertaf> what IS wrong with my kb today?
[01:26] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  or mplayer too, that rox too
[01:26] <intelikey> pebkac
[01:26] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, i have mplayer how can i open the dvd with it?
[01:27] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  i believe the gui has a menu option for reading dvdZzz
[01:27] <Pygi> ah :P
[01:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, there's a billion files in the DVD how do you know which one to play man
[01:28] <intelikey> well the drive mouted ok.
[01:29] <Ubuntu-NewBie> oh okay
[01:29] <Ubuntu-NewBie> MPlayer didnt work either
[01:29] <foxgamer> Hi all. I am having a few errors on my partitions and was wondering what my options would be. I want to keep the files that I have. Thanks
[01:30] <Greedyb> hey guys I just installed Ubuntu on another computer of mine and I'm having problems getting a VERY hold graphics card to work.  Its a 3dfx card.  I downloaded the glide libraries but dont know what to do from there...
[01:30] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  ok next step is test a different dvd
[01:30] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, done that already, same thing
[01:31] <aftertaf> Greedyb:  hmm startx throws an errer?    try typing sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:31] <intelikey> foxgamer that is really not much to work with.    i'd say copy the files to cd that way you can keep them.
[01:31] <foxgamer> intelikey: Thanks. How about the settings? Can these be transferred across when I re-install?
[01:31] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  erf ok. are you sure your dvd player does work physically?
[01:31] <aftertaf> (i know, but better to be sure)
[01:32] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, yea.. 100%
[01:32] <Greedyb> ok thanks, I'll try that
[01:32] <drcode> why this dosnt save the mount
[01:32] <drcode> /dev/hda3       /mnt               fat32    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0
[01:32] <Greedyb> say I'm in X how do I get out and stay in that same ttyl
[01:32] <Greedyb> ?
[01:32] <xxvii> alright.. i'm pissed.. i can't find w32codecs, libdivx4linux, vorbis-tools, or libdvdcss2.. which repositories do i need in my sources.list?
[01:32] <aftertaf> Greedyb:  ctl+alt+F1  keeps X running
[01:33] <intelikey> foxgamer if you have a running sustem i would try to make a tar ball of the files you want to keep and burn that to disk, that will preserve any permissions and ownership.
[01:33] <J_Element> aftertaf:
[01:33] <aftertaf> xxvii:  lol, but language ;)   universe + multiverse
[01:33] <J_Element> any solutions for my sound card issue ?
[01:33] <aftertaf> J_Element:  modprobe soundcore again? does it say anything this time?
[01:33] <xxvii> aftertaf, shouldnt the repos you gave me earlier work.. (this is krow, had to change name)
[01:34] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  weird....
[01:34] <aftertaf> lol xxvii ok, it should yeah. did you change dapper to breezy in the lines though?
[01:34] <xxvii> aftertaf, yup
[01:35] <intelikey> foxgamer then you can just untar off the cd to the new partition.     alternatively if there is room on an hd you could make a partition on there and use it for the interum,  then after reinstalling mount it on /home    or something along that line.
[01:35] <aftertaf> xxvii:  my bad.... codecs not there any more, legal reasons
[01:35] <aftertaf> !w32codecs
[01:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[01:35] <aftertaf> !dvd
[01:35] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:35] <aftertaf> for xxvii and Ubuntu-NewBie ^^^^^^^
[01:35] <aftertaf> !info libdivx4linux
[01:36] <thoreauputic> things are pretty slow in here today...
[01:36] <xxvii> aftertaf, thanks
[01:36] <smo> drcode .. in the line you pasted, fat32 needs to be replaced with vfat
[01:36] <thoreauputic> maybe I should do something exciting like /exec -o dmesg and get myself kicked
[01:37] <J_Element> nuttin
[01:37] <lexhider> how do use the ubuntu-calendar package?
[01:37] <aftertaf> xxvii:  vorbis-tools is in main repository
[01:37] <foxgamer> intelikey: Okay. Thank you. My system is working (just) so I'll give that a go. :)
[01:38] <aftertaf> J_Element:  can you paste the output of dmesg to pastebin?
[01:38] <intelikey> drcode as smo said ^  also if you want that to be user accessable you might add umask=0
[01:38] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  can you solve dvd & soundcared issues?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: not often ;-)
[01:39] <foxgamer> intelikey: I see what you mean. Thank you. Much appreciated.
[01:39] <intelikey> np
[01:39] <aftertaf> i need a cigarette!
[01:39] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[01:39] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[01:40] <xxvii> i need a smoke too.. but i'm not goin to smoke til i get DVDs playin
[01:40] <intelikey> quiting smoking are we ?
[01:40] <drcode> thanx man
[01:41] <drcode> I put my had "why it dosnt work..."
[01:41] <xxvii> haha
[01:42] <thoreauputic> hah - the /topic in #debian now says " Please note: this is not #ubuntu. "
[01:42] <thoreauputic> truer words were never spoken....
[01:43] <kevor> lol
[01:43] <`6og> yeh, i had a lol as well ;)
[01:43] <xxvii> oh man.. how do i install a .deb file in terminal?
[01:43] <xxvii> sudo apt-get install isn't working
[01:43] <thoreauputic> xxvii:  sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[01:43] <J_Element> aftertaf,  i just did
[01:43] <xxvii> ooh, thanks
[01:44] <intelikey> aptitude , apt-get install , dpkg -i    take your pick.
[01:44] <xxvii> dpkg -i worked.. thanks guys
[01:44] <rohan> hi all
[01:44] <xxvii> hola
[01:45] <intelikey> hi
[01:45] <rohan> can anyone suggest a black looking theme for ubuntu ? i dont like brown much :)
[01:45] <rohan> intelikey: hi :)
[01:45] <intelikey> it just doesn't have the same effect with this nick.
[01:45] <rohan> intelikey: ?
[01:45] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: that debian topic is realy shows how much ubuntu is popular
[01:45] <thoreauputic> rohan: google for  "Leech" or searchfor it on gnome-look.org
[01:46] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: yes , it does :)
[01:46] <rohan> thoreauputic: thanks a lot :)
[01:46] <onkarshinde> Will ubuntu kill debain? (I mean decrease popularity of debian)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> rohan: it's *very* black :)
[01:46] <J_Element> any p2p file sharing software for ubuntu ?
[01:46] <rohan> thoreauputic: i want black windeco, but whiite window-insides :)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: we hope not, since ubuntu uses it
[01:47] <rohan> onkarshinde: not possible. *many* people still prefer debian :) ;)
[01:47] <thoreauputic> rohan: ah, that's different - look for metacity themes then
[01:47] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: In what terms Ubuntu depends on Debian?>
[01:47] <rohan> thoreauputic: ok.
[01:47] <intelikey> onkarshinde in a small way i suppose it has decresed deb's activity
[01:47] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: all kinds of terms
[01:47] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: each ubuntu release uses a snapshot of debian sid
[01:47] <rohan> onkarshinde: ubuntu is based on debian
[01:48] <rohan> thoreauputic: no results for "leech" on gnome-look
[01:48] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: many ubuntu devs are also debian devs, btw
[01:49] <thoreauputic> rohan: do you want black insides of windows? If not, forget Leech
[01:49] <rohan> thoreauputic: no, i want to look at leech too :)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> rohan: you need a window manager theme - hence my advice to look for metacity themes
[01:49] <rohan> thoreauputic: and i would be thankful if you give me to a black metacity theme :)
[01:50] <onkarshinde> rohan: Not black but one named alphacube looks cool (at least from screenshots)
[01:50] <rohan> onkarshinde: *looks*
[01:50] <thoreauputic> rohan: I can dcc you my copy of Leech if you like
[01:50] <intelikey> hmmm i thought gnome was supposed to be configurable,  change it to suit self.
[01:50] <rohan> thoreauputic: yes, please :)
[01:51] <smo> rohan; it's been renamed to black-knight, so their search function doesn't find it because he term 'leech' was moved to the changelog; http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13339
[01:51] <IOU|Laptop> wow, this ubuntuguide is handy
[01:51] <thoreauputic> rohan: hang on - I need to tarball it
[01:51] <intelikey> right click anywhere should always get a menu and configure should be in the menu  :)
[01:51] <rohan> smo: thanks
[01:51] <intelikey> oh that is kde mintality, sorry.
[01:52] <rohan> thoreauputic: waiting
[01:52] <rohan> IOU|Laptop: the faq guide, yes ?
[01:52] <IOU|Laptop> yeah, its so handy
[01:52] <intelikey> !ubuntuguide
[01:52] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[01:52] <intelikey> IOU|Laptop ^
[01:53] <IOU|Laptop> lol
[01:53] <IOU|Laptop> it works fine for my breezy
[01:53] <IOU|Laptop> had no problems yet
[01:53] <thoreauputic> rohan: untar it in ~/.themes
[01:53] <rohan> thoreauputic: ok.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> or just drag it onto the themes dialogue
[01:54] <rohan> thoreauputic: you didnt gzip it, and named it .tar.gz :D
[01:55] <thoreauputic> rohan: ?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> ah sorry
[01:55] <thoreauputic> rename it then
[01:55] <rohan> thoreauputic: no problem :) file rules
[01:55] <intelikey> .tgz no work ?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> intelikey: nah I made a mistake is all
[01:56] <intelikey> oh,  that's one thing i like about console; you can name a file bob and tar still knows what to do with it.    tar -xzvf bob
[01:56] <Ubuntu-newbie> intelikey, its not working man.. the dvd thingy i rebooted
[01:57] <rohan> thoreauputic: untarring to ~/.themes , it doesnt show up in "Theme Preferences" and drag-and-drop says invalid file format.
[01:57] <loufoque> well actually you're telling tar it is a tgz
[01:57] <rohan> thoreauputic: but i am downloading new version, the renamed one :)
[01:57] <intelikey> not working is very broad
[01:57] <intelikey> care to narrow that a little ?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> rohan: odd, works OK here
[01:57] <rohan> thoreauputic: some dcc bug probable
[01:58] <rohan> *probable
[01:58] <onkarshinde> Does the redmond95 theme imitates Win XP interface?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> rohan: maybe
[01:58] <rohan> gah ..
[01:58] <thoreauputic> cd
[01:58] <thoreauputic> heh
[01:58] <thoreauputic> oops
[01:58] <intelikey>  !enter
[01:58] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[01:58] <intelikey> lol
[01:59] <thoreauputic> intelikey: you win  :D
[01:59] <intelikey> i wasn't sure if that would take not being the first char.
[02:00] <thoreauputic> tar: Leech/gtk-2.0/icons: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 10:00:00
[02:00] <thoreauputic>   <<-- interesting ...
[02:00] <thoreauputic> implausible indeed, not to say impossible
[02:00] <rohan> ;p;
[02:00] <rohan> lol
[02:00] <[Jonne] > it probably means a unix timestamp of 00...000
[02:00] <`6og> hm. not bad
[02:00] <intelikey> cmos error ?
[02:01] <`6og> just found a computer here with an Intel chip labeled 1978 :O:O
[02:01] <intelikey> or just a clock reset ?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> [Jonne] : yes, that's the beginning of Unix time ;)
[02:01] <`6og> UNIX epoch 1st jan 1970 :|
[02:02] <Ubuntu-newbie> !enter
[02:02] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[02:02] <rohan> anyone know of a black metacity theme ?
[02:02] <Ubuntu-newbie> !help
[02:02] <Roane> rohan > Tactile ?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> rohan: another one yucan try is "Aero"
[02:03] <thoreauputic> *you can
[02:03] <rohan> Roane: *checks*
[02:03] <rohan> thoreauputic: lol
[02:03] <thoreauputic> rohan: seriously
[02:03] <intelikey> rohan don't make me install gnome.   tell me you can change the color of things in there ?
[02:03] <rohan> intelikey: no. kde is far better in that respect, i agree.
[02:04] <onkarshinde> rohan: Yours is also an Indian name. Are you indian?
[02:04] <rohan> onkarshinde: yes. you are marathi :)
[02:04] <rohan> i am a gujju.
[02:04] <Marlun> what does it mean that a package is "virtual" in the aptitude package list?
[02:04] <rohan> thoreauputic, Roane : aero or tactile doesnt turn up any results on gnome-look
[02:04] <onkarshinde> rohan: And where do you leave?
[02:04] <rohan> onkarshinde: mumbai. you ?
[02:05] <intelikey> Marlun that's a good question.  i been wondering that too.
[02:05] <onkarshinde> Marlun: Virtual packages try to provide a way for installing all packages related to particulat application.
[02:05] <Roane> rohan > try on www.gnome.org
[02:05] <onkarshinde> rohan: Pune
[02:05] <rohan> onkarshinde: oh, ok.
[02:05] <thoreauputic> rohan: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=gnome+theme+Aero&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[02:06] <intelikey> what is a vertual package ?
[02:06] <onkarshinde> intelikey: Read my response
[02:06] <intelikey> i don't see one.
[02:06] <Marlun> onkarshinde: hmmmm, so for example gdm2 is a virtual package, which could provide a way to install packages related to gdm?
[02:06] <intelikey> oh
[02:07] <Marlun> onkarshinde: because if I try aptitude show gdm2, I get the response: State: not a real package
[02:07] <drcode> hi all
[02:07] <Roane> Hi :)
[02:07] <drcode> any one know why it dosnt mount me after reboot
[02:07] <drcode> I have fstab
[02:08] <intelikey> in other words, a virtual package is really just a package list that depends on all that it lists.
[02:08] <intelikey> ?
[02:08] <drcode> /dev/hda3       /mnt            vfat    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:08] <drcode> it dosnt mount me /dev/hda3
[02:08] <intelikey> drcode needs 'auto' to automaticly mount
[02:09] <drcode> where?
[02:09] <rohan> no,
[02:09] <rohan> intelikey: it doesnt.
[02:09] <Marlun> intelikey: is it not a package list that some other program depends on?
[02:09] <onkarshinde> Marlun: Perhaps I am confused with meta package. What I said is definition of meta package. For example OpenOffice.org2
[02:09] <intelikey> defaults,auto,....
[02:09] <rohan> intelikey: no, it is automatically mounted. if noauto is given, then it is not mounted.
[02:09] <Marlun> onkarshinde: oh, then we are back where we were before :P
[02:09] <onkarshinde> Marlun: I suppose virtual package help upgrading from one version to another when packages names have been changed
[02:10] <intelikey> rohan there is auto and noauto
[02:10] <angelaus> Hi allll
[02:10] <rohan> intelikey: but auto is not needed.
[02:10] <drcode> I Will try to reboot
[02:10] <angelaus> I am using kubuntu breezy
[02:10] <angelaus> wantto install azureus.
[02:10] <rohan> intelikey: check you fstab, is there auto anywhere ?
[02:10] <angelaus> but apt-cache does not find it. I have universe and multiverse in sources
[02:11] <intelikey> yes
[02:11] <Marlun> onkarshinde: if there were a gdm version 2, then I could understand that there could be a virtual package which helped you upgrade from  version 1 to 2, but now there only seems to be gdm, and gdm2 is a virtual package?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> !azureus
[02:11] <ubotu> from memory, azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[02:11] <onkarshinde> Marlun: let me check out
[02:11] <Marlun> onkarshinde: ok ;) thanks
[02:11] <intelikey> rohan /dev/hdc1 /disks/disk vfat defaults,auto,user,umask=0 0 0
[02:12] <onkarshinde> Marlun: where did oyu find this virtual package?
[02:12] <rohan> intelikey: strange, here, it mounts automatically without "auto"
[02:12] <intelikey> default is normally +auto
[02:13] <intelikey> yes i agree.
[02:13] <Marlun> onkarshinde: ehmm I just did aptitude search gdm
[02:13] <onkarshinde> Marlun: Are you on breezy?
[02:13] <Astxist> anyone happen to know a good spot to get gnome themes?
[02:14] <onkarshinde> Astxist: gnome-look.org
[02:14] <Marlun> onkarshinde: yes
[02:14] <intelikey> i'm gona slide for a while.  see y'all!
[02:14] <Astxist> thanks onkarshinde
[02:14] <angelaus> thoreauputic: thanx alot
[02:14] <onkarshinde> Marlun: I don't see any gdm2 package in breezy. Searched on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:15] <drcode> wow
[02:15] <drcode> thanx all
[02:15] <drcode> working like a charm
[02:15] <drcode> now one more qustion
[02:15] <drcode> I want to backup my entire linux into image
[02:15] <drcode> I saw that ghost can do image for linux
[02:15] <rohan> drcode: read up on "partimage"
[02:15] <thoreauputic> angelaus: no worries :)
[02:15] <drcode> but it as also boot cd ?
[02:16] <drcode> so I can boot and restore?
[02:16] <drcode> thanx
[02:17] <Marlun> onkarshinde: hmmmm weird
[02:17] <Roane> Someone can tell why i'm always disconnected from only this channel after some time ?
[02:18] <Roane> this chan don't like registered people ? :p
[02:18] <obsvuugj> Roane> ptet trop longtemps idle..
[02:18] <Marlun> onkarshinde: maybe because its virtual? =P
[02:18] <Roane> (you are on an english chan obsvuugj :p)
[02:18] <obsvuugj> Roane> i know :D
[02:18] <Roane> Marlun > Ok. I agree :D
[02:18] <xxvii> thank you lords of programming for the blessing called Ogle.. i can play DVDs finally
[02:18] <Roane> :)
[02:19] <Astxist> xxvii, amen ;)
[02:19] <rohan> how do i view all the packages available in a certain repo ? (backports, in this case)
[02:19] <onkarshinde> Marlun: I will try to search it in apt when I go home. Is it exactly 'gdm2'?
[02:19] <xxvii> :)
[02:19] <Roane> Astxist, don't say this kind of words, everybody don't have faith in god :p
[02:19] <thoreauputic> rohan: no breezy backports yet as far as I know
[02:19] <Roane> Say "ubuntu" instead :D
[02:20] <Astxist> lol
[02:20] <Marlun> onkarshinde: yes :)
[02:20] <onkarshinde> rohan: search on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:20] <Marlun> Roane: agree with what? =)
[02:20] <xxvii> lol
[02:20] <rohan> thoreauputic: they are avaialable now. atleast the repo is open.
[02:20] <Roane> Marlun > we're in a virtual world, we can be disconnected :p
[02:20] <rohan> onkarshinde: that wont include backports
[02:21] <thoreauputic> rohan: ah, OK
[02:21] <onkarshinde> rohan: There is a selection list below.
[02:21] <rohan> onkarshinde: *checks*
[02:21] <thoreauputic> rohan: I would just go to the url and browse - can't be much there yet
[02:21] <Roane> Ubuntu is the real god, forget the others :o
[02:21] <onkarshinde> rohan: you can specify any or all distros
[02:21] <rohan> thoreauputic: ok...
[02:21] <Marlun> Roane: hehe, thats dangerous :P
[02:22] <rohan> gah.. the repo is open, but no packages in breezy backports
[02:22] <redxninja> ubuntu is for nOOb
[02:23] <rohan> redxninja: and you represent all the n00bs / advanced users out there ?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> redxninja: hrrm... troll elsewhere please
[02:23] <Astxist> I thought it was for humans ;p
[02:23] <`6og> redxninja: what do you use?
[02:23] <Roane> (i hope my english is good, i do the best i can)
[02:23] <MachineScrew> redxninja: or people who want a usable desktop fast
[02:23] <leagris> ho do you setup email client to use in Firefox for "Send Page by email" or "Send URL by email" ?  My current setup launch Evolution but Id like it to launch Thunderbird instead ?
[02:24] <jbroome> Astxist: nice :)
[02:24] <redxninja> ubuntu is soo easy to setup that is why it is for n00b
[02:24] <Roane> Huh ... remove evolution and reinstall thunderbird ? XD
[02:24] <MachineScrew> leagris: go to system and then pref
[02:24] <MachineScrew> and then Preffered apps
[02:24] <onkarshinde> redxninja: you are right. But there is very less percentage of geeks in this world. And we need to pull noobs towards Linux
[02:24] <thoreauputic> redxninja: and why the developers use it, no doubt
[02:24] <leagris> MachineScrew, current destop is Kde
[02:24] <MachineScrew> damn
[02:25] <MachineScrew> ok
[02:25] <Astxist> onkarshinde, most certainly
[02:25] <redxninja> my first linux was gentoo...my god
[02:25] <MachineScrew> well its still controled by the same app if you have gnome installed
[02:25] <Roane> redxninja, tell what you want, ubuntu is a goodn distro. Use gentoo and don't disturb us :o
[02:25] <redxninja> i use both
[02:25] <Astxist> I tried many other distros before Ubuntu and it just works, this I approve of :)
[02:25] <redxninja> ubuntu for my sister and gentoo for me
[02:25] <onkarshinde> leagris: Perhaps there is something in System->Preferences->Preferred Applications
[02:25] <MachineScrew> redxninja: I don't have the attention span for 3 things Gentoo FreeBSD and RPG's
[02:26] <Roane> (gentoo is good too, but too long to install, just to win a few seconds :o)
[02:26] <MachineScrew> redxninja: all to slow to get moving
[02:26] <redxninja> yea gentoo take a long to install
[02:26] <Amaranth> Roane: Actually usually those compiler flags make things slower
[02:26] <thoreauputic> OK all gentoo/BSD etc discussions to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[02:26] <redxninja> but I have no life so I tried gentoo
[02:26] <leagris> Kde system prefs says Kmail as default mail client
[02:26] <Roane> Amaranth, i don't know, i've never ended a compilation :p
[02:27] <redxninja> Gentoo is for peeps with no life
[02:27] <onkarshinde> Ubuntu is moving fast towards out of box usbility. (I won't talk about multimedia)
[02:27] <MachineScrew> change it to mozilla-thunderbird
[02:27] <Astxist> thoreauputic, ok no problem
[02:27] <Roane> redxninja, i'm agree :)
[02:27] <Dr_Willis> ask the lawyers when you can talk about multimedia.
[02:27] <Dr_Willis> :P
[02:27] <onkarshinde> leagris: If you are on kubuntu then try asking on #kubuntu
[02:27] <Roane> I think debian and ubuntu are the best distro for a server and desktop use :)
[02:27] <leagris> 7 years using Linux and enable to find how to do basic stuffs like this. Still some hard work on desktop distro on the way ;o)
[02:27] <thoreauputic> redxninja: warning: you started this and it's of-topic - please move to the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> personally, the only advantages place i've found gentoo in, is our game server farm :)
[02:28] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: ya gstreamer sucks much ass
[02:28] <redxninja> ok sorry
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> works a treat :)
[02:28] <Astxist> thoreauputic, could I suggest putting that in the topic, unless there's an alternative way to find out about the channel?
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> for everything else, Debian/Ubuntu Server
[02:28] <leagris> thanks onkarshinde
[02:28] <MachineScrew> redxninja: try a server install
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Astinus: it often gets mentioned :)
[02:28] <MachineScrew> redxninja: then apt-get the packages you want
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Astinus: and nobody reads the topic anyway *grin*
[02:28] <MachineScrew> redxninja: its what i did for e17
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> haha
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> so true
[02:29] <MachineScrew> redxninja: I didn't want gnome
[02:29] <onkarshinde> MachineScrew: I said I don't want to get into multimedia discussions. If it was possible for me, I would buy every audio CD I want and rip into ogg
[02:29] <Astxist> heh I do ;p
[02:29] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: i aggree
[02:29] <Roane> i did. All my cds are encoded to ogg :D
[02:29] <redxninja> never use e17 before
[02:29] <MachineScrew> redxninja: check it out its awsome
[02:30] <MachineScrew> eye candy galore and 6% mem usage of 512MB
[02:30] <onkarshinde> Roane: In India a audio CD is still very costly as compared to mp3s (those you get mostly free ignoring all the legal and moral issues)
[02:30] <Roane> I don't have mp3
[02:30] <Astxist> onkarshinde, plenty of free (legal) music on the net
[02:31] <Taliesin-laptop> libogg 4 ever :>
[02:31] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: my problem with gstreamer isn't mp3 its just a genral thing
[02:31] <redxninja> there is a site called ubuntu.org
[02:31] <morphix> hehe .. paying for mp3s.. who would :P
[02:31] <Roane> I was using just cds with windows, and since i use linux, i use ogg by ripping my cds
[02:31] <morphix> i either buy the cd.. then rip it to mp3.. or download it..
[02:31] <redxninja> but the real ubuntu site is ubuntulinux.org
[02:31] <MachineScrew> redxninja: ya whats your point
[02:32] <Roane> morphing > you should try ogg, quality is better than mp3 at same bitrate :)
[02:32] <Roane> (average bitrate i mean)
[02:32] <onkarshinde> Roane: It will be funny for you people but when I bought 'Monsters Inc.' DVD (original and legal) my friends laughed at me, because I could get a pirated one at 1/5 th of the cost
[02:32] <MachineScrew> Roane: ya but mp3 you have to admit plays on mostly every thing
[02:32] <Roane> onkarshinde, which country ?
[02:32] <onkarshinde> Roane: India
[02:33] <Roane> Ok...
[02:33] <redxninja> most peeps I know dont know what ogg is
[02:33] <MachineScrew> Roane: you have to look realy hard to find an ogg compatible player
[02:33] <Roane> There's a lot of pirated stuff in India ?