[12:57] <quackgyver> Has anyone tried running Ubuntu on an Intel NUC?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: whats your issue exactly?
[12:58] <RafaelK> Seveas: i'm currently on building vagrant box, this box was working previously and i didn't any changes and now i get this errors
[12:58] <RafaelK> in puppet are no special version defined: also only the package names
[12:59] <quackgyver> lotuspsychje: I want a Linux Desktop computer for work but I'm not entirely sure that it won't cause problems since I've had issues with Ubuntu before, so I'm looking for an extremely cheap computer with enough processing power to allow me to do web development and multitask comfortably, so that I can in a worst case scenario discard it and get a Windows or
[12:59] <quackgyver> Mac if it doesn't work out.
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: i almost never have a machine that cant run ubuntu on it
[13:00] <matthias__> hello i have problems sending mails with the php mail-function. i can receive emails with my gmail address, but for example @gmx.net is not working for receiving them. i am sending the mails trough a .tk domain, i have owned. here is the mail.log file https://bpaste.net/show/6ebab75bcda4
[13:00] <quackgyver> lotuspsychje: well intel nuc is a special computer
[13:00] <quackgyver> so thats why im curious
[13:00] <quackgyver> it costs like... 1200 eur
[13:00] <quackgyver> er, 120*
[13:00] <klew> lotuspsychje: I was thinking more along the lines of performance implications, we've got 10GBit connections between VMs and NAS, so it should work rather well, curious if someone here had tried it though
[13:01] <cfhowlett> quackgyver, your use almost sounds like a poster child for chromebook
[13:02] <quackgyver> cfhowlett: Well, I want to use Linux specifically because I'm currently in a position where I'm forced to learn a lot of technologies that I previously haven't been wanting to, so I figured I might as well do it on Linux which I've also been putting off for the same reasons.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: http://askubuntu.com/questions/245059/can-ubuntu-run-on-intels-nuc-devices
[13:02] <quackgyver> And I figured it'd be nice to run a local webserver on it as well.
[13:02] <du5tball> can dhclient lease several IPs on the same interface?
[13:02] <cfhowlett> quackgyver, www.dell.com/developer
[13:02] <quackgyver> cfhowlett: Aye, I've been looking at Dell.
[13:02] <cfhowlett> quackgyver, note: updated model to be released any day now
[13:02] <quackgyver> I was specifically curious if someone here has used Intel NUC.
[13:02] <quackgyver> and had any comments
[13:02] <quackgyver> but I guess not
[13:03] <cfhowlett> quackgyver, probably better off googling: linux + intel + nuc
[13:03] <quackgyver> true
[13:03] <quackgyver> I guess what I'm wondering the most is how fast and responsive the GUIs are
[13:03] <quackgyver> and how much you can multitask before it grinds to a halt
[13:04] <quackgyver> but ill try googling for an answer
[13:04] <tehgooch> Is there a way to enable more verbose logging to the system console on Ubuntu Server 12.04? We have a server stuck after showing the e1000 ethernet adapter. System activity lights are not blinking at all.
[13:04] <tehgooch> I can boot it into recovery though.
[13:05] <tehgooch> (I know 12.04 is old - it's a client)
[13:05] <cfhowlett> !server | tehgooch, ask the server channel
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> tehgooch: log what exactly?
[13:05] <tehgooch> Trying to divine why it's hanging there.
[13:06] <tehgooch> Nothing jumps out.
[13:06] <EriC^^> tehgooch: check dmesg maybe?
[13:06] <tehgooch> I'll go to the server channel
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> tehgooch: check the syslog
[13:06] <tehgooch> thanks though
[13:21] <rimdeker> Hey guys, I installed my root as btrfs and my grub broke, I'm trying to fix grub from a LiveUSB but it doesn't seem to work
[13:22] <rimdeker> when I mount the subvolume and do the bind mounts and call grub-install from there, then I end up in the grub console during booting
[13:22] <rimdeker> if I don't mount the subvolume directly and the drive instead
[13:23] <rimdeker> I get the following error even after binds working correct: grub-install: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
[13:23] <lattera> is there a way to tell apt-get not to use IPv6?
[13:25] <teward> lattera: turn off v6, or possibly explicitly define the IP addresses for the servers in /etc/hosts (which is how I override the v6 side)
[13:27] <lattera> figured it out
[13:27] <lattera> apt-get -o Acquire::FoceIPv4=true install package1 package2 packageN
[13:28] <lattera> s/FoceIPv4/ForceIPv4/
[13:28] <timur> hi I installed on my MacBookPro Ubuntu 14.01, it's too  laggy. My system specs are quite high. I have 16 b ram 8 cores i8 2,7 and nvidia graphic card. What could be the reason any ideas?
[13:29] <cfhowlett> !mac | timur   ubuntu on a mac is significantly less certain than on a non-OSX device
[13:32] <teaearlgraycold> Is font support required for ncurses to draw a vertical line? Because I get the character `
[13:40] <teaearlgraycold> smuxi: ah a bB brother?
[13:41] <smuxi> bB?
[13:42] <teaearlgraycold> plumblum: your vhost is @baconseed.org
[13:42] <teaearlgraycold> baconbits
[13:42] <plumblum> ah
[13:42] <plumblum> Now i'm following
[13:44] <sheer> is there a linux/ubuntu/programming channel for noobs?
[13:44] <Ben64> !alis | sheer
[13:45] <cfhowlett> sheer, fullcirclemagazine.org    has a several compilation issues devoted to python
[13:46] <pradeep> Hey..
[13:50] <kevinde> Hello, Everyday I take my hdd from work back to home and use it on my desktop pc here also now and then. but today I started my ubuntu up and it did not recognize my LAN NIC somehow
[13:51] <kevinde> basically my lan cable is plugged in but I only have lo interface when i do ifconfig
[13:51] <kevinde> Network manager is uninstalled, so configured with /etc/network/interfaces
[13:53] <OerHeks> kevinde, have you tried to reboot your router? helps sometimes with unexplainable issues
[13:54] <kevinde> I have network when I log on my windows machine so it must be something wrong with either the driver or configuration
[13:55] <fool> Hi folks.  Ubuntu can't connect to the internet through a wired connected (Modem->Router->PC) this morning, no settings changed.  Same link works with a Windows box.
[13:55] <fool> Sounds like I have the same issue as kevinde.
[13:55] <fool> If I log into the router's firmware interface, it also cannot detect an internet connection when it looks for firmware updates.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> kevinde, which ubuntu release?
[13:57] <kevinde> BluesKaj: Ubuntu 12.04
[13:58] <fool> I've got 14.04.  SpeedStream 5260 modem, Netgear WNR2000v1 router.
[13:58] <kevinde> ls /sys/class/net only shows the localhost interface too
[13:59] <ovrflw0x> when  i boot into ubuntu sometimes... the Desktop "background" shrinks and remaining area is taken by back stripes, how to fix this so that it doesn't happen again? i've external monitor turned on with Laptop's screen turned off.
[13:59] <ovrflw0x> black****
[13:59] <ovrflw0x> not "back" but "black"
[13:59] <ovrflw0x> ^^^^
[13:59] <BluesKaj> kevinde, check this out , resolv.conf gets over written, https://rbgeek.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/how-to-add-static-dns-in-ubuntu-12-04-lts/
[14:00] <Blinkiz> Hello. I have discovered that I have an older version of openssl installed on my ubuntu 14.04 server system. I have version 1.0.1-1ubuntu2 installed. In trusty-security it exist 1.0.1-1ubuntu2.8 but I have no option to install it. I have the deb line for ubuntu security on sources.list file so I do not know what is wrong here?
[14:01] <gary1> join /java-talk
[14:01] <cfhowlett> Blinkiz, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade        should get it
[14:01] <ikonia> Blinkiz: if you do a dist-upgrade it will pull in all pending updates
[14:01] <ovrflw0x> Blinkiz, what do you serve on your server?
[14:01] <joris> Hi. Is there a way to disable ipv6 upstream only?
[14:02] <jh5> Blinkiz: We also have openssl 1.0.1 whats wrong with it?
[14:02] <ikonia> joris: ipv6 is "on or off"
[14:02] <ovrflw0x> when  i boot into ubuntu sometimes... the Desktop "background" shrinks and remaining area is taken by black stripes, how to fix this so that it doesn't happen again? i've external monitor turned on with Laptop's screen turned off.
[14:03] <joris> ikonia: Will disabling ipv6 completely, prevent me from connecting to an ipv6 address if I only have ipv4 IPs ?
[14:03] <joris> ikonia: And vice versa?
[14:03] <ikonia> joris: it will stop you participating directly on an IPV6 network
[14:03] <ikonia> it will not stop you routing to IPV6 networks
[14:03] <joris> TYVM
[14:04] <joris> The use case here is that I'm trying to connect to a service whose ipv6 connectivity is unreliable
[14:04] <joris> I could put their ipv4 IP in my /etc/hosts, but those IPs could change over time
[14:05] <ikonia> why would putting entries in /etc/hosts make the connectivity better ?
[14:05] <joris> It would prevent their ipv6 address from being accessed
[14:05] <joris> By me
[14:05] <ikonia> ?
[14:05] <ikonia> it wouldn't prevent anything
[14:05] <joris> I would only put their IPv4 addresses in my /etc/hosts
[14:05] <ikonia> it would just map a hostname to an IP
[14:06] <joris> Meaning, their hostname would always be accessed by me over ipv4
[14:06] <Blinkiz> cfhowlett, ikonia, apt-get dist-upgrade does not show this new version. Doing apt-cache show openssl with version 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2
[14:06] <joris> Instead of their unreliable ipv6 addresses
[14:06] <ikonia> joris: can't you do that via the dns ?
[14:06] <joris> ikonia: Perhaps, currently I don't run a dns
[14:06] <ikonia> Blinkiz: apt-cache policy openssl
[14:06] <ikonia> joris: you don't need to run dns - the public internet is dns
[14:06] <ikonia> joris: how are you trying to currently resolve IP -> hostname
[14:07] <joris> you mean hostname -> ip ?
[14:07] <ikonia> sure
[14:07] <Blinkiz> ikonia, there I can see it. It says "Installed: 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.8". What?
[14:07] <joris> This is a standard Ubuntu LTS box with nginx and PHP. Not sure how that does outgoing lookups.
[14:07] <ikonia> Blinkiz: why do you think its not installed
[14:07] <ikonia> joris: it uses dns - so if you lookup the site/server you want to use it will present whatever that company wants you to use
[14:08] <joris> I prefer to keep looking up their IPs, as they have several, but prevent traffic from going to their ipv6 addresses
[14:08] <Blinkiz> ikonia, TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV is not working which is introduced in -1ubuntu2.8 package
[14:08] <joris> Their hostname now resolves to several IPv4 and IPv6 addresses
[14:08] <ikonia> Blinkiz: dpkg -l | grep openssl
[14:08] <ikonia> joris: ok, so they have have round robin dns  ?
[14:08] <joris> I want my web app to only pick the ipv4 ones
[14:08] <joris> Yeah, would seem so
[14:08] <Blinkiz> ikonia, says 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.8
[14:08] <Blinkiz> So I have 1ubuntu2.8?
[14:08] <ikonia> Blinkiz: you have that version
[14:09] <Blinkiz> ikonia, Why is apt-cache show giving me Version: 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2?
[14:09] <ikonia> Blinkiz: please show me in a pastebin the output of the following commands
[14:09] <user_> hello
[14:09] <ikonia> Blinkiz: apt-cache policy openssl
[14:09] <ikonia> Blinkiz: and dpkg -l | rep openssl
[14:09] <ikonia> grep
[14:11] <user_> can someone tell me which ubuntu version is suitable for creating LFS
[14:11] <ikonia> user_: version of what ?
[14:11] <Blinkiz> ikonia, sure, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9747689/
[14:11] <user_> ubuntu
[14:11] <ikonia> user_: any version
[14:12] <Blinkiz> ikonia, I must be confused because of the two results for apt-cache show...
[14:12] <user_> @ikonia does that mean even non stable version ?
[14:12] <Blinkiz> ikonia, I did not know about the apt-cache policy command, nice line :)
[14:13] <ikonia> user_: yes, but you would be VERY foolish to use an unstable platform to build a toolchain for a compile project
[14:13] <ikonia> Blinkiz: so looking at that output, I can see you are using 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.8
[14:13] <Blinkiz> ikonia, yes, me two, thanks for the help :)
[14:21] <ayushgp> Reading package lists... Error!
[14:21] <ayushgp> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[14:21] <ayushgp> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_thefanclub_ubuntu-after-install_ubuntu_dists_trusty_main_i18n_Translation-en
[14:21] <ayushgp> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[14:21] <ayushgp> i'm getting this error
[14:22] <ayushgp> any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:22] <CtrlAltDelicious> Sup everyone?
[14:23] <dhurba> yu
[14:23] <dhurba> hey
[14:23] <daftykins> CtrlAltDelicious: hello. do you have a support question?
[14:23] <dhurba> who is there??
[14:23] <daftykins> dhurba: only us ghosts
[14:23] <cfhowlett> dhurba, ask your ubuntu questions
[14:24] <CtrlAltDelicious> daftykins: Hmmm, well, thats not why I stopped by, however; if youre itching to answer a question I suppose I could think of something Ive wondered.
[14:24] <daftykins> CtrlAltDelicious: as long as it's ubuntu support related. otherwise general chat in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[14:24] <OerHeks> ayushgp, try to update first and try again? if that does not solve, contact the ppa maintainer, as we do not support ppa's
[14:25] <Guest67852> hi, how can i disable sync to vblank in ubuntu? Runing liveUSB have much more performance due to vsync is off. but as soon as installed vsync becomes defualt on?
[14:25] <CtrlAltDelicious> Lets see...  I have a Windows workstation (I know - boo) for work, and Im running CYGWIN to manage remote Linux servers. When I do a tcpdump via SSH, is there a way to fork it so it keeps capturing if I close my CLI?
[14:25] <OerHeks> Guest67852, disable it after install?
[14:25] <daftykins> CtrlAltDelicious: run it via screen
[14:26] <Guest67852> OerHeks: Yeah that was my question :) how to disable it?
[14:27] <Guest67852> OerHeks: Using free drivers
[14:27] <OerHeks> Guest67852, how did you see vsync was off in liveUSB?
[14:27] <daftykins> Guest67852: so you want to have a nice tearing desktop instead? mmhmm.
[14:28] <OerHeks> installing prop drivers would give the option, at least with Nvidia
[14:28] <Guest67852> OerHeks: well the screen is tearing. daftykins yes because using vsync it gets really slow , i would rather have it tearing and responsive
[14:28] <daftykins> Guest67852: sounds like you just haven't got an appropriate driver installed for your hardware.
[14:29] <daftykins> what graphics setup?
[14:29] <RaMcHiP>  #windows-server
[14:29] <Guest67852> daftykins: laptop with amd e-450. running great performance+tearing in liveUSB. the graphics is radeon 6320
[14:29] <daftykins> Guest67852: install fglrx?
[14:29] <OerHeks> RaMcHiP, yes, no, wrong channel
[14:30] <Guest67852> daftykins: usually the problems gets worse with fglrx. i really want to use open source drivers
[14:30] <Guest67852> Isnt there a easy way to just disable vsync with open source drivers?
[14:32] <daftykins> what version are you on?
[14:32] <daftykins> repo fglrx or AMD website download fglrx?
[14:33] <Guest67852> daftykins: repo
[14:33] <daftykins> Guest67852: ubuntu official? probably ancient then
[14:34] <daftykins> i don't have a clue on vsync with radeon, probably you have to create a xorg.conf and disable it through a manual option somehow... but i still say this is the wrong way to go about it. vsync isn't tied to performance in this way, if you're on an LCD @ 60Hz you'd get 60fps if performance is good enough
[14:35] <Guest67852> daftykins: i know its good enough thats not the problem, the problem is everything gets sorta delayed and clunky
[14:36] <Guest67852> isnt ubuntu still using compiz daftykins _
[14:36] <daftykins> yes unity uses all the 3D gubbins
[14:36] <Guest67852> maybe i can just install compiz control and disable it there
[14:36] <daftykins> well, i would imagine a quick google would get the answer on this one
[14:36] <daftykins> e.g. "ubuntu 14.10 radeon vsync"
[14:36] <Guest67852> daftykins: yeah im not it
[14:37] <daftykins> huh?
[14:37] <Guest67852> daftykins: Yes i will do that.
[14:37] <daftykins> or install a newer fglrx, that should be a valid approach too
[14:37] <Guest67852> daftykins: Yeah im ON it. lol
[14:38] <daftykins> aaah.
[14:38] <Guest67852> daftykins: ubuntu always breaks one way or another when using fglrx for me :)
[14:38] <daftykins> welcome to Linux with AMD.
[14:38] <Guest67852> daftykins: haha yes i know thank you. sad really
[14:38] <daftykins> you could always run xubuntu :)
[14:40] <Anuttymous> hey, having trouble with Ubuntu 14.10 in that I have no mouse cursor. medion akoya laptop, running Ubuntu from USB, not installed on the laptop
[14:41] <Anuttymous> xinput list indicates that I don't have a mouse or touchpad, or at least doesn't list anything
[14:45] <Anuttymous> could anybody help?
[14:45] <reisio> Anuttymous: sure
[14:45] <deepSnit> go ahead
[14:46] <Anuttymous> 14.10 on medion akoya laptop, booting from USB, I'm not getting a mouse cursor
[14:46] <Anuttymous> xinput list doesn't list a mouse or touchpad
[14:46] <Guest67852> daftykins: yup there vsync is disabled by default. are you running xubuntu?
[14:46] <daftykins> on an old system, yes
[14:47] <Guest67852> daftykins: ottherwise unity on main?
[14:47] <daftykins> no i don't run desktop Linux
[14:47] <daftykins> but don't tell anyone...
[14:47] <Guest67852> daftykins: neither do i...sshhhh
[14:47] <OerHeks> Anuttymous, you were here yesterday too? i found this, see the last post, maybe it applies to you too >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2233632&page=2
[14:49] <byte-smasher> is it normal for files to chown to whoever last edited them?
[14:49] <Anuttymous> that doesn't seem to help
[14:51] <shadow1911>
[14:52] <shadow1911> I have created a horror game with Blender and Unity Pro and would like to add it to the Ubuntu store (For Free) and would like to know how.
[14:52] <shadow1911> Do I have to get an Ubuntu license?
[14:53] <dakira> shadow1911: no
[14:53] <dakira> shadow1911: check out this site: http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/
[14:53] <shadow1911> Thank you
[14:55] <daftykins> Anuttymous: what did you run? just the modprobe?
[14:55] <daftykins> Anuttymous: you'll probably need to restart X in the live session, since you can't reboot. press ctrl+alt+F1, then run "sudo service lightdm restart"
[14:56] <reisio> Anuttymous: did the mouse work from the install media?
[14:56] <Anuttymous> the mouse had only worked from Windows so far
[14:57] <reisio> Anuttymous: what about the install media?
[14:57] <daftykins> the user is in a live session right now afaiui
[14:58] <reisio> being able to answer a simple question is going to come in handy :)
[14:59] <Anuttymous> the modprobe and light restart didn't seem to work
[15:00] <reisio> let me know if you ever answer my question :)
[15:00] <OerHeks> maybe that last part, updates, should do the trick, you need to install ubuntu, and use tab to select etc
[15:01] <upp> hello, i get the error not enough free disk space, the upgrade needs a total of ... can any one help? i have ubuntu 14.04
[15:02] <k1l> upp: well free some space
[15:02] <jpds> upp: sudo apt-get autoclean
[15:02] <OerHeks> upp, try sudo apt-get autoremove # and try to remove some old kernels
[15:02] <reisio> upp: https://wiki.debian.org/FreeSpace
[15:02] <reisio> just buy more storage, you'll need it eventually
[15:03] <upp> i have tryed apt-get clean and autoclean and autoremove, but doesn't help
[15:03] <upp> i have enough storage
[15:03] <reisio> mmm, you just said you didn't, though :)
[15:03] <jpds> upp: Do you have enough inodes?
[15:04] <crital> Hey everyone, im looking for someone to help me with a problem i have with my mouse
[15:04] <reisio> almost certainly a question of semantics
[15:04] <reisio> crital: well, you might find one here
[15:04] <upp> only here /dev/sda1 236M  159M   66M  71% /boot
[15:04] <crital> My mouse feels much more smoother in windows than it does on Ubuntu, any one have a fix ?
[15:05] <upp> jpds: my /boot partition is to smal
[15:05] <k1l> upp: so you got a seperated /boot that is too full. so remove old kernel packages
[15:05] <jpds> upp: Yeah, that'd do it.
[15:05] <reisio> crital: smoother?
[15:06] <crital> reisio: Yes, the cursor in Ubuntu feels laggy/not as accurate as it does in windows
[15:06] <lattera> looks like the systray icon for pidgin is missing
[15:06] <lattera> anyone know how I can get it to show up?
[15:06] <Anuttymous> I can't seem to install 14.10, it's just stopping at the preparing to install with the continue and back buttons greyed out
[15:06] <Guest67852> crital: perhaps this is another issue with vsync?
[15:06] <reisio> crital: is it a touchpad?
[15:07] <Guest67852> Anuttymous: how long have you waited for it?
[15:07] <crital> I havent thought of that guest, i do have a 120hz screen. Maybe im not running ubuntu in 120hz ?
[15:08] <Malcorox> morning
[15:08] <crital> Not a touchpad
[15:08] <Guest67852> crital: it could be so, check glxgears for me?
[15:08] <Anuttymous> okay, never mind, it was just taking a moment.
[15:08] <Guest67852> just to see how many fps you get
[15:08] <reisio> 120hz? Isn't that odd?
[15:08] <crital> How do i do this ?
[15:08] <Guest67852> crital: in terminal : glxgears
[15:09] <Guest67852> you can also check amongst screen resolution to see if it identify your screen properly.. there you see if its 60hz or 120hz
[15:09] <k1l> Guest67852: glxgears is not a benchmark. its more a "it works" thingy
[15:09] <Guest67852> k1l: exactly, thats why i suggested it
[15:09] <crital> all i see is gears spinning
[15:09] <crital> 60 fps
[15:10] <topdownjimmy> What does it mean when I see a repeated string of @^@^@^@^@^ in my kern.log and syslog?
[15:10] <topdownjimmy> My computer became unresponsive, and on reboot I noticed those lines at the end of the logs before the system freeze.
[15:10] <crital> Guest67852: How do i set it to 120hz ?
[15:11] <reisio> topdownjimmy: it's unreasonable to expect an unstable system to log properly, wouldn't you say? :)
[15:12] <topdownjimmy> reisio: I guess, I was just hoping those characters indicated something specific.
[15:12] <sheer> sheer
[15:12] <sheer> oops
[15:13]  * reisio shrugs
[15:13] <Guest67852> crital: well, is it recently installed?
[15:14] <crital> I've had this Monitor for a long time but i recently installed Ubuntu
[15:17] <Duality> hey all
[15:17] <reisio> hey
[15:18] <Guest67852> crital: well, i gotta go but try google 120hz ubuntu 14.10.
[15:18] <Duality> i have a network device connected to my laptop (wired network) and wired settings set to shared to other computers. how can i find out what ip my laptop gave the device ?
[15:18] <Duality> nmap doesn't show my anything though
[15:18] <Guest67852> crital: perhaps you need to install propritary drivers but i doubt thats the only solution.
[15:18] <daftykins> Duality: you're running a DHCP server? check the logs
[15:19] <Duality> daftykins: which one ?
[15:19] <Duality> i am not running a dhcp server
[15:19] <daftykins> then why do you believe your laptop gave this device an IP?
[15:20] <Duality> because if i connect my pi this way it give my pi an ip address and shows up on nmap, just wondering why this device doesn't show up
[15:21] <imbezol> Duality: try arp -na on the laptop
[15:22] <imbezol> Duality: if that doesn't work use nmap to ping the whole subnet
[15:22] <daftykins> i would hope that's already been the approach. sudo nmap -sP <IP_ADDRESS>-254 for example - but that's a waste of effort if the IP is being given out by the laptop
[15:23] <daftykins> or maybe it's APIPA? 169. addresses
[15:23] <Duality> imbezol: cool shows alot of eth0 ip's all incomplete
[15:24] <imbezol> Duality: you normally connect your laptop with wireless?
[15:24] <Duality> pinging the whole subnet shows only my ip
[15:25] <daftykins> explain again how your devices are connected?
[15:25] <onemansubmarine> hi folks, can I ask a question regarding thunderbird in this channel?
[15:25] <daftykins> a mozilla or thunderbird channel would probably be better
[15:25] <compdoc> I think you just did
[15:25] <Duality> through a cat5 cable on my ethernet card
[15:25] <daftykins> !alis
[15:26] <daftykins> Duality: so you're on a system wired into your router and the Pi is too?
[15:26] <Duality> no
[15:26] <imbezol> how does the laptop get internet? wireless?
[15:26] <Duality> there is no router my network device is directly connected to my laptop
[15:26] <Duality> imbezol: yea wireless
[15:27] <daftykins> 'network device' o0
[15:27] <imbezol> so then you share that over your ethernet port?
[15:27] <daftykins> you mean a switch? :P
[15:27] <Duality> daftykins: no a ipc beckboard sc12
[15:28] <Duality> it's a mini computer with ftp http stack and everything
[15:28] <rlabad> #admin
[15:28] <daftykins> Duality: hmm, ok so it doesn't have any direct interaction? no input devices etc, solely power + LAN?
[15:29] <Negron> a5 Who like this game , Dexterity Ball 3D ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ELS9t3jd8k
[15:29] <backbox> hey bitches
[15:29] <Duality> daftykins: yea
[15:29] <cfhowlett> backbox, stop now.
[15:29] <backbox> lol
[15:29] <backbox> where you at
[15:30] <cfhowlett> backbox, ask your ubuntu question
[15:30] <daftykins> Duality: so either network manager's sharing setup is set wrong, or it hasn't started up properly i would guess
[15:31] <daftykins> you can't bridge your wireless i would think
[15:31] <Duality> daftykins: maybe i should try a different laptop too
[15:31] <Duality> i don't want to bridge wireless
[15:32] <Duality> i just want to telnet to the beckboard, which should be possible. it boots (cause the boot led burns) so i assume that the device is booted. last time i could just telnet it :)
[15:32] <daftykins> so you don't want the device to have connectivity online, just direct with the laptop
[15:32] <Duality> yea
[15:32] <Duality> shared to other computers works for that
[15:32] <daftykins> alright well you either need to run a DHCP server, or find out if it runs a static IP
[15:33] <daftykins> what IP does eth0 have right now?
[15:33] <Abd_Allatif> Hello, How can I get AC adapter current wattage? becouse my laptop battery is charging slowly
[15:33] <Duality> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:34] <daftykins> sounds like a network manager set IP
[15:34] <daftykins> Duality: i think you need to undo the network manager sharing then, and let it run wild. they'll probably both set to an APIPA address that way (169.254.x.x) then be contactable once you scan for the other
[15:36] <Duality> daftykins: the device works because if i connect to the local network i can ping it :)
[15:36] <daftykins> Duality: what do you mean local network?
[15:36] <hannachi> localhost
[15:36] <daftykins> no.
[15:36] <Duality> daftykins: like the network that supplies my wireless connection
[15:36] <hannachi> connection
[15:37] <Anuttymous> so, installed Ubuntu and tried modprobe to get the mouse working, but still doesn't seem to be, unless I missed something
[15:37] <daftykins> so cable out of laptop, into router? 0o
[15:37] <daftykins> sorry this isn't too clear to me
[15:37] <hannachi> tlaxkit
[15:37] <Duality> daftykins: yea
[15:37] <hannachi> view options
[15:37] <daftykins> hannachi: stop that please
[15:38] <hannachi> stop
[15:38] <hannachi> ping
[15:38] <daftykins> Duality: yeah ok but it's getting an IP via DHCP, so the router's DHCP server is providing it. there might not be one running on the laptop to give the device an IP, tell you what http://paste.ubuntu.com show me "ip a"
[15:38] <hannachi> client
[15:38] <DJones> hannachi: Do you have an Ubuntu support question for the channel?
[15:38] <daftykins> hannachi: either ask an ubuntu support question or leave, please.
[15:40] <hannachi> support
[15:40] <daftykins> definitely kick o'clock
[15:41] <cfhowlett> daftykins, agreed
[15:41] <Anuttymous> Ubuntu installed, but still no mouse cursor
[15:41] <daftykins> fully updated?
[15:41] <onemansubmarine> there is a ubuntu-mozillateam on freenode, for problems for thunderbird but I think its quite inactive
[15:42] <Anuttymous> Yeah
[15:42] <daftykins> onemansubmarine: did you try the alis bot for finding channels?
[15:42] <onemansubmarine> daftykins: yes I did that was the result
[15:42] <Anuttymous> xinput list still sees no mouse
[15:42] <Duality> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9749035/
[15:42] <onemansubmarine> daftykins: I also tried the channel #thunderbird
[15:43] <xangua> there is no thunderbird channel in freenode
[15:43] <Pici> Mozilla's main channels are on moznet, not freenode.
[15:44] <onemansubmarine> Pici: thx I will try there
[15:44] <spitzi> Using Ubuntu 14.04. Tried to set env var per instructions here but nothing worked, not even after opening a new terminal. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#Persistent_environment_variables
[15:45] <daftykins> Duality: nah you don't scan your wifi subnet then, you scan this <IP_ADDRESS>-.254
[15:45] <Anuttymous> sudo modprobe -r psmouse has no feedback, so I don't know if it's done what it's meant to do
[15:46] <daftykins> Anuttymous: easy, "lsmod | grep -i mouse"
[15:46] <Anuttymous> invokes nothing
[15:47] <daftykins> Anuttymous: which is a good sign since it means no module with 'mouse' in the name is loaded
[15:47] <daftykins> whereas once you "sudo modprobe psmouse" again, it should show up
[15:48] <Melio> the software center shows GoLang programming language at version 1.2, google obvously has later versions. should i ignore the package install and just get the tarball and install it
[15:48] <reisio> Melio: mmm
[15:49] <reisio> Melio: uh, did you have some reason to require a higher version?
[15:49] <Melio> I guess i'm thinking about this. i would rather have tarballs because programming languages typically shouldnt be updated automaticly.. aka python
[15:49] <reisio> if not, then why bother?
[15:49] <Melio> I don't have any reasons to request a higher version
[15:49] <EriC^^> Melio: you can set them not to update automatically
[15:49] <reisio> well, no, programming language interpreters are fine to update automatically
[15:49] <reisio> including python
[15:49] <Melio> i'm just curious as to how i should put this on my system
[15:49] <EriC^^> Melio: man apt_preferences or man apt-mark maybe
[15:49] <reisio> you should always use the package manager unless you have some reason not to
[15:49] <reisio> reasons are... well they're reasons
[15:49] <reisio> one should have a reason
[15:49] <Melio> reisio, the differnce between 2.x and 3.0 python are tremendious
[15:49] <reisio> that's... reasonable
[15:50] <reisio> Melio: yes, what of it?
[15:50] <Melio> you should never update python on fedora for instance
[15:50] <Melio> it screws up the entire tool base
[15:50] <reisio> you probably have python 2 and 3 installed right now, from your package manager
[15:50] <oddeyed> Melio: there are python2 and python3 packages in the software centre so you can pick
[15:50] <Melio> unless they fixed that
[15:50] <reisio> I doubt it was ever a problem
[15:50] <Melio> possibly not
[15:50] <Melio> it was my interpetation
[15:50] <Melio> i'm not a programmer
[15:50] <Anuttymous> I rebooted, but no mouse input
[15:50] <Melio> just trying to learn
[15:51] <Melio> Anuttymous, usb connected or laptp touchpad
[15:51] <Anuttymous> touchpad
[15:51] <Anuttymous> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2233632&page=2
[15:51] <Melio> the touchpad drivers can be seen in dmesg
[15:51] <reisio> Anuttymous: did it work on the install media?
[15:51] <Melio> see if they are loading
[15:51] <Anuttymous> I was using the last comment
[15:51] <Anuttymous> it didn't
[15:52] <Melio> I have zero reason to not install the package from ubuntu software center
[15:52] <oddeyed> Melio: In general, stuff that is in the software repositories for ubuntu is more thoroughly tested and more likely to be stable on your system. If you want brand new features at the expense of stability/reliability, then you can compile from tarballs yourself or the software project might provide .deb files.
[15:52] <reisio> Melio: that should really give you your answer
[15:52] <Melio> yeah i agree
[15:52] <reisio> :D
[15:52] <Melio> but that's why i asked
[15:52] <reisio> asking is natural
[15:52] <Melio> i consider experts opinion better then my own
[15:52] <reisio> even if the answer seems obvious or annoying :)
[15:53] <hannachi> ping
[15:53] <Anuttymous> it said after a reboot and a apt-get update, but I'm not sure if that just "sudo apt-get update"
[15:54] <Melio> it's usually always sudo apt-get update
[15:54] <hannachi> source
[15:54] <Melio> Anuttymous, it's possible your newer kernel doesnt detect your touchpad
[15:54] <Anuttymous> How sure I fix that?
[15:54] <Melio> I personally disabled my touchpad
[15:54] <Melio> i use a usb mouse
[15:55] <oddeyed> On the grub menu you can switch kernels iirc?
[15:55] <Melio> i'm oldschool I need a mouse touchpads are uncomfortabl to me
[15:55] <reisio> what'd you say it was, 'akoya'?
[15:55] <reisio> oddeyed: yup
[15:55] <Anuttymous> I don't have a USB mouse, otherwise this wouldn't be too problematic :P
[15:55] <reisio> Melio: touchpads are awful, nothing to do with schools :)
[15:55] <Anuttymous> medion akoya
[15:55] <Melio> j keys are aweful too
[15:55] <reisio> although multitouch touchpads are slightly less awful
[15:55] <Melio> it was "neat" back in 1986
[15:56] <daftykins> Melio: we're more a support channel than a chat channel
[15:56] <reisio> good example of why neatness is overrated, heh
[15:57] <Anuttymous> What should I do? downgrade?
[15:57] <reisio> Anuttymous: you see this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2233632&page=2&p=13194082#post13194082
[15:57] <Melio> Anuttymous, it's possible to try it may not solve your problem. but it seems likly
[15:58] <Anuttymous> I've tried that reisio
[15:58] <Melio> my asus laptop touchpad causes lockups, coincidently
[15:58] <Anuttymous>  version of Ubuntu would you suggest, if I dowWhaIngrade?
[15:59] <jhutchins> Anuttymous: apt-get update just updates the catalog.  apt-get upgrade actually installs new software.
[15:59] <Melio> having it enabled causes a serious lockup that requires a lid shut, reopen warm reboot of the power saving mode to recover
[15:59] <reisio> Anuttymous: howa bout http://www.evilcodingmonkey.com/2014/01/23/ubuntu-activate-multi-touch-on-elantech/ ?
[16:00] <reisio> other than that you might try a newer distro version, if there is one, and/or a newer Linux version
[16:00] <spitzi> Any advice on how to set an env var in Ubuntu?
[16:00] <spitzi> Persistently, that is.
[16:00] <oddeyed> spitzi: in your terminal? just edit .bashrc which runs on bash startup to set the variable or whatever.
[16:01] <Anuttymous> I'm not sure what newer version there is :P
[16:02] <oddeyed> spitzi: e.g. in my ~/.bashrc I have a line PATH="/home/user/bin:$PATH" export PATH
[16:02] <oddeyed> is that what you want?
[16:03] <spitzi> Ok, it works good enough, thanks. I do wonder if there's a way to set an env var for all shells, current and future.
[16:03] <Anuttymous> How do I scroll up in the terminal without a mouse?
[16:03] <reisio> Anuttymous: PGUP
[16:03] <reisio> or SHIFT+PGUP
[16:03] <Anuttymous> thanks :P
[16:03] <reisio> can be done a little better if you use the 'screen' application
[16:05] <oddeyed> spitzi: It does stay set in future - every time that you launch a new (non-login) shell, .bashrc is run and so the variable is set persistently.
[16:05] <spitzi> Does it apply also to e.g. tcsh?
[16:06] <reisio> tcsh would have its own config file
[16:07] <oddeyed> spitzi: what reisio said. but if you find out what tcsh does on startup then you can just edit that file.
[16:09] <spitzi> ok
[16:10] <spitzi> Thanks misters. Bye.
[16:10] <Anuttymous> none of it seems to work. What version of Ubuntu would you suggest I downgrade to?
[16:12] <Anuttymous> I'm going back to Windows :P
[16:13] <daftykins> Anuttymous: i would try 14.04.1, it's LTS anyway (long term support) so a better choice than 14.10
[16:13] <Anuttymous> I was on it
[16:14] <hoogeveen> is there a checksum for the 14.04.1 server amd64 iso LTS ?
[16:14] <Anuttymous> I tried 14.05, was suggested to try .10
[16:14] <Anuttymous> 14.04*
[16:14] <hoogeveen> i did a search on the website but came up with no hits
[16:15] <Anuttymous> I can get a normal mouse working, just not touchpad. managed to borrow a mouse for a few seconds
[16:15] <DJones> !md5 | hoogeveen
[16:15] <hoogeveen> i'm in solaris, but i'll look at those links, thanks.
[16:15] <DJones> hoogeveen: http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/MD5SUMS
[16:16] <DJones> hoogeveen: Thats the 14.04.1 md5 sums page
[16:16] <hoogeveen> cool, but why did i not find them on the website?
[16:16] <hoogeveen> is it a link i missed?
[16:16] <undecim> What's the easiest way to create a simple meta-package the installs several pieces of software?
[16:16] <DJones> hoogeveen: Not sure, they're normally shown in the alternative downloads pages
[16:16] <hoogeveen> ok, i didn't see it, but now i have the link, so thanks.
[16:16] <DJones> your welcome
[16:22] <snakester> anyone home?
[16:29] <undecim> What's the easiest way to create a simple meta-package that installs several pieces of software?
[16:31] <TomyWork> undecim equivs
[16:31] <TomyWork> by far :)
[16:31] <undecim> TomyWork, Sounds like exactly what I want :)
[16:32] <TomyWork> i have a strange problem where my mouse jumps to the right or to the bottom whenever i try to drag a window to the top, bottom or either side of the display
[16:32] <undecim> TomyWork, only when dragging?
[16:33] <TomyWork> yes
[16:33] <undecim> TomyWork, mouse or touchpad?
[16:33] <TomyWork> and only when dragging it to the edges
[16:33] <TomyWork> mouse
[16:33] <undecim> Have you tried the hardware on another machine?
[16:34] <undecim> TomyWork, doesn't sound like a hw problem, but never hurts to be sure
[16:34] <mesky> I recently discovered that even though clearing history, private browsing, using BleachBit, that there is a log of sites I have visited in webkitgtk/localStorage that I don't know how to clear.
[16:34] <TomyWork> ok this only affects my mouse, not the touchpad or touchpoint
[16:34] <TomyWork> it appeared after i played a bit with xset
[16:35] <TomyWork> specifically, i modified the translation matrix in order to get more speed
[16:35] <undecim> TomyWork, do you have any pointer-related stuff on the background? syndaemon or unclutter?
[16:36] <TomyWork> uh i dont know
[16:36] <TomyWork> but i think it's the xset...
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: cant you reset xset to defaults or something?
[16:36] <TomyWork> yup, it was the xset
[16:37] <TomyWork> xinput set-prop 11 143 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.500000
[16:37] <TomyWork> looks good, no?
[16:37] <devhost_> Anyone knowledgeable about TIPC? I've got three machines, all there address' have been set, but only two on this local switch can see eachother as neighbors. The other machine, in a server room is on a different Ethernet segment. I need a work around.
[16:37] <TomyWork> actually, let me back up a bit
[16:37] <TomyWork> how do i set mouse speed on kubuntu 14.04?
[16:38] <undecim> TomyWork, surely there's a KDE menu to configure the mouse...
[16:38] <TomyWork> undecim yes, it has acceleration but no speed
[16:39] <Pici> devhost_: Maybe #ubuntu-server or even perhaps ##networking could help you out.  Its definitely not a question that I've seen asked here before (I had to google what TIPC was even)
[16:39] <daftykins> Pici: me too :D
[16:39] <devhost_> Yeah, it's more a developer question.
[16:39] <undecim> TomyWork, Xorg.conf?
[16:39] <TomyWork> btw, this rotates all your mouse movements by 5 degrees: xinput set-prop 11 143 .996, -.0872, 0.000000, .0872, .996, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000
[16:39] <TomyWork> :)
[16:39] <devhost_> Less ubuntu specific.
[16:40] <undecim> TomyWork, Oh, that's cool
[16:40] <undecim> TomyWork, now that all my students have Ubuntu on their computers, I'll have some fun with that
[16:40] <TomyWork> :D
[16:40] <undecim> TomyWork, How would I do 45?
[16:41] <TomyWork> go to www.wolframalpha.com, enter "45 degree rotation matrix"
[16:41] <TomyWork> type it out, first row, then 0, then 2nd row, then 0, then 0, 0, 1
[16:42] <undecim> TomyWork, sweet
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> you can also tweak mouse with gpointing-device-settings
[16:42] <TomyWork> lotuspsychje i dont have that
[16:42] <TomyWork> lemme install that
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: not sure it works for kubuntu
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> !info gpointing-device-settings
[16:43] <TomyWork> (gconftool-2:13334): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
[16:43] <TomyWork> uhoh
[16:43] <mesky> Anybody?
[16:43] <undecim> TomyWork, reset is xinput set-prop 11 143 1, 0, 0, 0,1,0,0,0,1 ?
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: yeah, think its a bug on kubuntu
[16:43] <TomyWork> undecim  looks about right
[16:44] <TomyWork> lotuspsychje that showed me my devices but it had even less options
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> kk
[16:44] <undecim> "X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[16:44] <wligtenberg> Hi, I have a weird issue when I want to install the 386 version of java on my 64 bit machine (required to run webex) http://pastebin.com/PhKVFP7L
[16:45] <TomyWork> undecim try adding spaces after each comma
[16:45] <justus_> Hello I have a question regarding networking on ubuntu.
[16:45] <undecim> TomyWork, Value in failed request:  0x8f (hex for 143)
[16:45] <wligtenberg> It gets stuck and I cannot get it fixed using sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:45] <undecim> TomyWork, I did put spaces
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> justus_: ask away
[16:45] <undecim> TomyWork, seems to be complaining about the 143 parameter
[16:45] <TomyWork> undecim oh, you need to look up the property numbers and all that
[16:45] <mesky> Oh, well...thanks anyway...
[16:45] <undecim> TomyWork, okay
[16:46] <justus_> I have a vpn connection running on one machine. Now i want to connect 3 other machines to route all their traffic through the machine with the vpn running...
[16:46] <daftykins> that's very ambitious
[16:46] <daftykins> justus_: probably more relevant in #ubuntu-server or ##networking i'd say though.
[16:47] <TomyWork> undecim "xinput list" for the id
[16:47] <TomyWork> then "xinput list-props <id>" for the property number
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !vpn | justus_ and some reading here
[16:47] <justus_> thank you for the recommendation @daftykins. I will ask the question over there.
[16:48] <justus_> thank you ubottu. The vpn is already set up.
[16:48] <daftykins> *tips hat*
[16:48] <undecim> TomyWork, I'm on 45 degree rotation now :)
[16:48] <undecim> Linux is amazing
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> sure is, specially with all the nice supporters here :p
[16:49] <TomyWork> undecim if you want to do this via ssh, be sure to set DISPLAY properly
[16:49] <TomyWork> usually to :0
[16:49] <undecim> TomyWork, yup
[16:50] <undecim> TomyWork, next time someone is playing games in class, I'll have a script that generates random matrices every 5-20 seconds or so.
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:50] <undecim> TomyWork, Come to think of it, I could make it trigger whenever the game process is in the background, and reset when it's closed
[16:51] <TomyWork> why random if you can vary them continuously from -10° to +10° :D
[16:51] <undecim> depends on the game, I think
[16:52] <TomyWork> do they have octave? :)
[16:52] <undecim> Something like a FPS I might just vary the speed and randomly invert axes
[16:52] <undecim> TomyWork, I can install octave.
[16:52] <TomyWork> hmm nah
[16:52] <undecim> TomyWork, I think python can handle all the calcs though
[16:53] <TomyWork> ok, if you want to exceed the shell :)
[16:53] <undecim> TomyWork, wouldn't octave exceed the shell?
[16:53] <undecim> TomyWork, or does octave have shell-like abilities that i'm unaware of?
[16:54] <TomyWork> you could pipe into it :D
[16:54] <TomyWork> but i see your point
[16:55] <undecim> Plus, its somewhat poetic, since it's a python class to begin with
[16:55] <mrkame> Hello, I want to test Ubuntu on my macbook - but if things go wrong for some reason and I don't like it, I want to restore it back exactly how it was with OSX. How can I do it?
[16:56] <undecim> mrkame, If you have an external hard drive, you can make an exact clone of your drive before setup, then restore it if you don't like it
[16:56] <undecim> mrkame, that's if your external drive has at least as much free space as the entire size of your internal drive
[16:57] <mrkame> I see, interesting (: I'll buy one then, thanks
[16:57] <undecim> mrkame, Not sure how it works on OSX though
[16:57] <undecim> mrkame, i.e. how difficult to the backup and restore is. You should research if Apple already has a similar solution
[16:57] <mrkame> I see.
[16:57] <undecim> mrkame, Alternatively, if you're buying an external drive, you can install Ubuntu to the external drive
[16:58] <undecim> mrkame, Again, not sure how well Mac will handle booting from an external drive. My experience is with PC
[16:58] <TomyWork> cos(f)+", "+ (-sin(f))+", 0, "+sin(f)+", "+ cos(f)+", 0, 0, 0, 1"
[16:58] <mrkame> If I don't do that and just backup essential files instead, can I reinstall Yosemite without an external usb stick/CD?
[16:58] <TomyWork> f=cos(t)*<10 degrees>
[16:59] <TomyWork> in whatever unit f has to be
[16:59] <undecim> Is there an apple channel?
[16:59] <daftykins> undecim: unofficial i think. #macosx or something, !alis for more
[17:01] <undecim> mrkame, there's a #MacOSX channel with >500 people in it that should be able to give you pointers on backup and restore
[17:01] <mrkame> oh woops...
[17:02] <mrkame> my bad
[17:02] <mrkame> didn't notice I just asked a mac question here, actually
[17:02] <undecim> it happens
[17:02] <daftykins> mrkame: if a sharpened penguin flies your way, you'll know why ;)
[17:03]  * undecim sharpens the edges of my old 'buntu discs
[17:04] <xinun> can anyone suggest me any link for learning hacking
[17:04] <undecim> "hacking" is a pretty broad term
[17:05] <daftykins> xinun: totally off topic and inappropriate here.
[17:05] <undecim> So my answer to your questions is google.com
[17:05] <lamppid> How i can set default permission on directory files or group i have /var/www/html directory and if i create new file, file creating with no permissions
[17:05] <dioz_tepes> hacking is so 90s
[17:06] <mrthomas> lamppid: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/applying-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-within-a-specific-folder-605129/
[17:07] <lamppid> mrthomas,  thanks
[17:09] <mrthomas> lamppid: no problem, i actually didn't know so it was useful for me as well
[17:09] <undecim> lamppid, In the past, I've just used chmod -R on cron
[17:10] <daftykins> that's a pretty nasty shotgun strategy :P
[17:10] <lamppid> i try before umask 022
[17:10] <HamRadio> Hey guys I have a question, - when Ubuntu 14.04.2 comes out with the 3.16 kernel, will I be able to install the 3.16 kernel from the repositories?
[17:10] <bipul> I need a help. I am unable to download or update latest adobe flash player inside my ubuntu 14.04
[17:10] <undecim> well in this case, I wanted all the files to be 777
[17:11] <undecim> I wouldn't use it if i need the files to be private
[17:11] <undecim> HamRadio, the .1 and .2 are just package updates, so when you do a fresh install without internet access, you have more recent packages
[17:11] <daftykins> HamRadio: it'll have a HWE (hardware enablement stack) from utopic maybe
[17:11] <undecim> HamRadio, a normal update will get you the same kernel
[17:11] <daftykins> HamRadio: why would you want that though? you don't keep kernels up to date just for the sake of it.
[17:12] <tattto> yo, one quick question
[17:12] <daftykins> undecim: that's not true
[17:12] <undecim> daftykins, reall?
[17:12] <tattto> On unity, there's a software pre-installed that let's me encrypt drivers
[17:12] <undecim> really*
[17:12] <bipul> I need a help. I am unable to download or update latest adobe flash player inside my ubuntu 14.04 , I need adobe flash player10.
[17:12] <tattto> I don't have that on Xubuntu. Does anyone know the name so I can install it?
[17:12] <HamRadio> Thanks guys, I have a very new computer, and would like the latest kernel
[17:12] <tattto> It's "disk" something I think
[17:12] <HamRadio> bipul, you can't get flash player10
[17:12] <HamRadio> only 11.2
[17:13] <undecim> tattto, You want to encrypt an entire drive?
[17:13] <daftykins> HamRadio: does everything work as-is?
[17:13] <tattto> undecim, yes
[17:13] <HamRadio> daftykins, not really....audio is messed up
[17:13] <byte-smasher> where can I edit the default prompt_command, for all users in a system?
[17:13] <HamRadio> and graphics driver is old for my computer
[17:14] <daftykins> undecim: yep, packages might be available but you don't get anything but refreshes of the existing default kernel (e.g. 3.13 for 14.04, 3.16 for 14.10) from upgrades or dist-upgrade
[17:14] <bipul> alright 11, but how should i install it. I am getting a issue while installing
[17:14] <daftykins> HamRadio: so install fglrx from AMD instead of from repo - no idea on audio troubles.
[17:14] <undecim> daftykins, So they sometimes add new packages that weren't in the previous versions of the same code name?
[17:14] <HamRadio> I have an nVidia GPU
[17:14] <tattto> undecim, Do you know what I'm talking about?
[17:14] <undecim> tattto, The package the does all the work is cryptsetup, but I'm not sure what the GUI package is.
[17:14] <TomyWork> undecim i got something that makes my mouse go in sine curves when i move it straight :D
[17:15] <undecim> tattto, cryptsetup is done from the command line
[17:15] <daftykins> HamRadio: sorry i read AMD instead of and, tired eyes :P
[17:15] <tattto> undecim, damn, I really want a GUI.
[17:15] <daftykins> HamRadio: nvidia drivers can also be gotten from other sources than the default repo ones. but again, updating versions just for the sake of it isn't going to suddenly make it perform 100x faster. depends on what hardware you have
[17:15] <HamRadio> Yeah, audio is strange...it's I have a laptop, and the external mic doesn't work at all, and the internal mic is like the gain on the right channel is turned all the way up, while the left is all the way down
[17:16] <HamRadio> Hm, ok....thanks daftykins
[17:16] <X123> Hi!
[17:17] <HamRadio> Hi X123
[17:17] <daftykins> bipul: flash is dead. your best bet is to either install chrome and pepperflash, or install a pepperflash wrapper for use with firefox
[17:17] <X123> Trying to track down some strange issues with tcp connection stalling on 3.13 kernel (14.04.1 LTS)
[17:17] <undecim> tattto, let me see if i can find the package with the gui
[17:18] <X123> connecting to ssh or http has massive delays and eventually gets reset, even connecting locally <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:18] <X123> for example ssh <IP_ADDRESS>, put in password, and wait anywhere from 8 seconds to 2 mins, sometimes making it through and sometimes connection gets reset
[17:18] <bipul> daftykins, I am unable to open this site https://nextstep.tcs.com/campus/ just because, i required latest adobe flash10
[17:19] <daftykins> bipul: sorry i'm not going to click that
[17:19] <X123> seems to happen only after 10-15 mins of uptime and lots of connections have been established to the server
[17:19] <X123> anyone else see this behaviour :)
[17:19] <daftykins> define 'lots of connections' ?
[17:20] <bipul> I never said you to click it.
[17:21] <Darshan85> hi everyone
[17:22] <daftykins> bipul: ok :) wasn't much point sharing it then
[17:22] <Darshan85> I lost my grub after installing windows8.1. How can I get it back?
[17:22] <undecim> Darshan85, You need a liveCD
[17:22] <daftykins> !grub
[17:23] <X123> lots of connections, less than 1000
[17:23] <daftykins> X123: try #ubuntu-server
[17:23] <X123> i also noticed after some time period, i can't create a listen socket  any more
[17:23] <TomyWork> undecim https://gist.github.com/TomyLobo/d6473dd2a494cad724e2
[17:24] <tattto> undecim, I'm also searching for it, but so far no luck.
[17:24] <X123> daftykins , will do :)
[17:24] <X123> thanks
[17:24] <daftykins> np
[17:24] <X123> this is driving me batty :>
[17:24] <X123> doing it on multiple machines too
[17:24] <daftykins> X123: initial guess would be a bad driver for the NIC or something though, but i'm not exactly up on SSH woes
[17:24] <X123> like i said, it does it when you ssh to <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:24] <X123> or curl <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:24] <abas> مرحبه
[17:24] <X123> so that should have nothing to do with the NIC
[17:25] <Darshan85> thank you
[17:25] <daftykins> well you would think so, but i've seen stranger things
[17:25] <X123> haha ya
[17:25] <undecim> tattto, I think gnome-disk-utility is the package you're looking for.
[17:25] <en1gma> if i have a desktop shortcut in 14.10amd64 and i want to run as sudo how do i do it? when i right click and select properties i dont see a way to do it like that
[17:25] <X123> it has 4 NICs :)
[17:25] <undecim> tattto, in the Unity menu, it's simply called "Disks", and it allows encrypted partitions
[17:26] <tattto> undecim, sweet
[17:26] <X123> and i tried using ips on all of them , different drivers for the nics too
[17:26] <tattto> undecim, it's exactly this!
[17:26] <tattto> undecim, You're the best! Thank you.
[17:26] <TomyWork> undecim does it work for you? :)
[17:27] <undecim> TomyWork, just opened the page
[17:28] <undecim> TomyWork, quite well.
[17:29] <undecim> TomyWork, how can I adjust wavelength and amplitude?
[17:29] <TomyWork> they depend on how fast you go with the mouse
[17:29] <anonym> servus
[17:30] <undecim> TomyWork, I see. Though surely it's possible to amplify the effect?
[17:30] <TomyWork> you can adjust the amplitude of the rotation angle by replacing the number in front of "* degree"
[17:30] <TomyWork> right now it goes from -20 to +20 and back within 5 seconds
[17:30] <TomyWork> (the 5 seconds is the 5)
[17:31] <undecim> 50 has roughly the effect I'm looking for :)
[17:31] <TomyWork> :D
[17:36] <undecim> Is there a script or package for profiling a laptop? (e.g. getting specs on hardware and saving them in a file)
[17:37] <Seveas> undecim: lshw
[17:37] <undecim> I'm also looking for things like screen resolution
[17:37] <undecim> Would that be included in lshw?
[17:38] <Seveas> nope, but add xrandr :)
[17:39] <Seveas> undecim: there's also sosreport, but I don't know what details it includes.
[17:39] <undecim> What's that boot diagnostic script?
[17:42] <undecim> And also, can I get the available space on a partition without mounting it?
[17:42] <daftykins> undecim: what's wrong with searching the make + model?
[17:42] <daftykins> sudo parted -l
[17:42] <daftykins> ah no that's just partition size, ignore
[17:43] <undecim> I've been meaning to write this particular script for some time
[17:43] <undecim> and/or find one that already exists
[17:43] <Seveas> undecim: maybe df /dev/yourpartition-here, but I never tried that on a partition/volume that wasn't mounted
[17:44] <Trudko> hi guys if I want to symlink 6 different file in folder is there some shortcut or do I have to run ln -s 6x times?
[17:45] <undecim> Trudko, do the filenames have spaces in them?
[17:45] <Trudko> well no they are all in ./atom folder and names are config.cson  init.coffee   keymap.cson snippets.cson  style.less
[17:46] <undecim> Trudko: for file in "filename1 filename2 filename3"; do ln -s $file destination/ ; done
[17:46] <undecim> Trudko, Or you could symlink the directory, if it fits the situation
[17:47] <Trudko> undecim: well I dont want to whole directory because there is bunch of stuff which I dont want
[17:47] <Trudko> basicly I want to sync those files between two pcs using dropbox
[17:47] <Trudko> btw destination should be something like dropbox/something/.atom
[17:48] <Trudko> ou nvm I will just try it no need to ask
[17:49] <undecim> Seveas, yup, df works.
[17:49] <Charles_h_Christ> Anyone here familiar with Ubuntu on the Lenovo z50-75?
[17:50] <Seveas> undecim: good to know, thanks for reporting back
[18:05] <bravech> Hello!
[18:05] <daftykins> hi
[18:06] <bravech> hi
[18:06] <ljunggren> hi
[18:06] <X123> hi :)
[18:06] <daftykins> got a support question?
[18:06] <undecim> hi
[18:06] <kat_> is there a skype help channel?
[18:07] <daftykins> maybe microsoft will help with it
[18:07] <daftykins> what's your issue?
[18:07] <kat_> skype pics up my cam but not my speakers or mic
[18:08] <ljunggren> try #skype
[18:08] <undecim> ljunggren, there's only one person there....
[18:08] <ljunggren> undecim: lol
[18:09] <KavanS> lol
[18:09] <undecim> But if someone else joins him, maybe he'
[18:09] <undecim> ll have someone to skype with
[18:09] <ljunggren> i can join if you like undecim
[18:09] <KavanS> if you get a few people on, you can text chat....which is like skyping but better
[18:09] <undecim> ljunggren, i'm not there... its someone else
[18:09] <ljunggren> undecim: im there alone now
[18:09] <undecim> kat_, Does skype show up in your volume settings?
[18:10] <undecim> there's #skype, and ##skype, with a current total of 3 people. Suffice to say, there is not a skype support channel.
[18:11] <kat_> no
[18:12] <kat_> undecim no it doesn't
[18:14] <undecim> kat_, have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SkypeTroubleshooting
[18:15] <kat_> undecim no sir I have not. I am running the system checker thingy right now and as soon as it's complete I will look at that and get back to you. I also just installed some updates.
[18:15] <monner> hi, I buy laptop Dell inspiron15 and it comes with ubunut 12.04.1 LST,ok. I dont know What the Default password of the Root user?
[18:15] <undecim> monner, there may not be a default password
[18:15] <theadmin> monner: None.
[18:15] <theadmin> monner: Use sudo to run commands as root.
[18:15] <theadmin> !sudo
[18:20] <monner> but it ask me the password win I want update or install Programs
[18:21] <theadmin> monner: That's your user password.
[18:21] <theadmin> monner: The same one you use to log in.
[18:22] <OerHeks> monner, after you bought that laptop, the 1st account you created has root privileges
[18:23] <conall> Is there any software on ubuntu for bypassing a SIM lock on an android?
[18:24] <monner> ok, I well try,Thank you
[18:24] <daftykins> conall: no and that's inappropriate for this channel and network
[18:24] <conall> daftykins, Ok, sorry
[18:25] <Guest1> Are there any possible problems when compiling one part of a program, a library and then using it with another one, an app (or few apps) installed from repositories?
[18:25] <jareddlc> hey guys is there a command that will list all utilities a system has for editing files?
[18:26] <theadmin> jareddlc: Not really, but well... Ubuntu always has Nano preinstalled, and a basic version of Vim
[18:26] <kat> yeah, did the updates, still doesn't work
[18:26] <theadmin> jareddlc: Besides, "files" is very generic. I assume you mean text files.
[18:27] <jareddlc> theadmin: iits a question in a linux course
[18:28] <juan_> hellow
[18:29] <OerHeks> Guest1, possible, yes.
[18:29] <jareddlc> theadmin: is there someting to list text editors? its very ambigous question so i dont know what they mean
[18:29] <theadmin> jareddlc: What's the question, exactly?
[18:30] <theadmin> Like, exactly how it's written
[18:30] <OerHeks> jareddlc, ubottu can tell some
[18:30] <daftykins> if it's a course, surely it has the answer.
[18:30] <OerHeks> !ide
[18:30] <OerHeks> !editor
[18:30] <jareddlc> "how can you find out which utilities are available on your system for editing files?" theadmin
[18:30] <theadmin> jareddlc: That's... a really badly phrased questions.
[18:30] <jareddlc> agreed
[18:31] <Guest1> What is the lightest web browser that doesn't lack in terms of security or web technologies support?
[18:31] <theadmin> There's no command that would list all text editors, and the definition of "file" is... bad
[18:31] <theadmin> Guest1: Eh, I'd say Chromium
[18:31] <theadmin> ...basically everything else does lag behind. Even Firefox.
[18:31] <leafybasil> I have been trying to get my keyboard settings right for over an hour, I have a macbook pro (uk), and the 'Keyboard Layout' that I'm shown is correct, but the button key mappings are not and I dont understand why.
[18:32] <theadmin> leafybasil: Apart from the layout, you should be able to select a keyboard model.
[18:32] <theadmin> leafybasil: Make sure you have the right one selected.
[18:32] <leafybasil> theadmin: when you say that, where?
[18:32] <jareddlc> yeah theadmin it sucks
[18:32] <theadmin> leafybasil: Hm. I wish I'd remember.
[18:32] <leafybasil> theadmin: from the systray icon I can choose ENglish UK and US
[18:32] <jareddlc> which is why i decided to see if somenone here knew about it :)
[18:32] <leafybasil> and see the chart
[18:32] <theadmin> leafybasil: Not that, it's somewhere under System Settings -> Keyboard
[18:33] <leafybasil> theadmin: i'm new to unity, i have no idea how to get to system settings anymore
[18:33] <theadmin> leafybasil: Weird gear thing in top right -> System Settings
[18:34] <leafybasil> theadmin: right I've been on this dialogue before, I have no option to change keyboard, I have repeat rate and blink rate, and I have shortcuts but no option to set/change keyboard
[18:34] <RedheadedCupcake> anyone have any idea on this skype deal?
[18:34] <theadmin> RedheadedCupcake: Eh?
[18:34] <ikonia> Skype deal ?
[18:34] <RedheadedCupcake> Skype video works but I can't hear/talk
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> I'm currently experiencing an issue with scp-dbus-services.py. When ever I print something, I get a blank space in my notification area in the taskbar. Normally when printing completes the notification goes away. does anyone know how to fix it?
[18:35] <theadmin> leafybasil: Blah... I'll have to check but for that I need to grab an Ubuntu ISO and stuff. This will take a while...
[18:35] <RedheadedCupcake> mic and speakers don't work on skype and only skype.
[18:35] <bubbasaures> RedheadedCupcake, ubnutu repos version?
[18:35] <theadmin> pragmaticenigma: It's probably the print job notification and your icon is missing.
[18:35] <GraemeLion> RedheadedCupcake: Are you using Pulseaudio?
[18:35] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: so that suggests to me skype is possibly using the wrong sound device indentifier/device files
[18:35] <RedheadedCupcake> eeek I don't know guys
[18:35] <leafybasil> theadmin: I'll continue to google, but as yet nothing has worked, given it's running in VMware fusion, and there are a finite number of mac models + keyboards, it feels like this should be a solved problem.
[18:35] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: first question is "how did you install skype"
[18:36] <leafybasil> theadmin: that was an observation rather than a complaint
[18:36] <RedheadedCupcake> I'm okay-ish with this. if you tell me what to put into terminal, I follow instructions very well...
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> theadmin, shouldn't the notification disappear when printing is complete? Is there any packages I might be missing that need to be installed for the icon to appear normally?
[18:37] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia I went to the website and downloaded it from there. They didn't have the 64 bit version so I I dl'd the 32 bit for 14.04 LTS then I clicked on it in my dl's folder and it opened up in the software center
[18:37] <Rapture> how to manually update ntp to 4.2.8?
[18:37] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[18:37] <xangua> Rapture: by manually compiling
[18:38] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia in the skype settings for mic and speakers it says virtual device and when I click the box to select something else there is nothing else to select
[18:38] <Rapture> Xangua: link to steps or instructions?
[18:38] <RedheadedCupcake> 14.04 LTS
[18:38] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: in options what is your microphone/speakers/ringing setting
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> RedheadedCupcake, are you able to use your mic and speakers normally with other applications?
[18:38] <leafybasil> theadmin: okay under 'text entry' I can add input sources, which appear to be keyboards...
[18:38] <francesco_> ciao
[18:39] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia "virtual device" all 3
[18:39] <xangua> !compile | Rapture
[18:39] <xangua> it depends to the program itself, but the recommended is to install from software respositoriories
[18:39] <RedheadedCupcake> pragmaticenigma yes I am
[18:39] <jareddlc> theadmin: i just asked a student, they said they wrote down, "apropos editor"
[18:39] <francesco_> !list
[18:40] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: in the drop downs do you have "PulseAudio" as an option
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> Rapture, if you are looking to make sure you version of NTP is patched against the latest vulnerability, the patch has been already applied through your regular system updates
[18:40] <RedheadedCupcake> no
[18:40] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: what options do you have
[18:40] <RedheadedCupcake> There are no other options other than virtual device
[18:40] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: that sounds like there is your problem
[18:40] <Rapture> pragmaticenigma: # ntpd --version
[18:40] <Rapture> ntpd 4.2.6p5
[18:41] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia OK wonderful, how do we correct this problem?
[18:41] <ikonia> Rapture: why do you want a different version ?
[18:41] <Rapture> ikonia: I just want to make sure it's not vulnerable
[18:41] <ikonia> Rapture: right - so use the ubuntu version - security fixes get back ported
[18:42] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: so thats the key question, why / what is your virtual device
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> Rapture, version numbers will not always match. When patches are backported, the version number doesn't change
[18:42] <Rapture> how to tell if it's patched?
[18:42] <ikonia> Rapture: is it from the repos
[18:42] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia i don't know. I don't have anything but my mouse plugged in and don't have a virtual device -- I don't even know what that means!
[18:43] <Rapture> ikonia: this is an ec2 instance
[18:43] <ikonia> Rapture: is the package from the ubuntu repos
[18:43] <Rapture> ikonia: I assume so? I just did apt-get install ntp
[18:43] <ikonia> Rapture: check
[18:44] <Rapture> how?
[18:44] <ikonia> Rapture: right - I'm not being mean here, but you don't know how to check where you package comes from - but you feel you are qualified to judge if it's secure or not ?
[18:44] <Rapture> ikonia: I got an email from AWS saying it should be patched. I never said I was qualified
[18:45] <ikonia> Rapture: then if they have mailed you to say it's patched - why are you looking to update ?
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> Rapture, then you should be contacting Amazon on how you can verify or trust the notification they sent you. This is not the correct forum for your question
[18:45] <Pici> Rapture: Do you mean that they emailed saying that you should patch it, or that it has already been patched?
[18:45] <Rapture> ikonia: re-read...they said it should be patched
[18:46] <LonelyDanbo> how do I find out of my PDF viewer communicates what I'm looking at to any online sites?
[18:46] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: if you run alsamixer - do you see volume levels
[18:46] <ikonia> Rapture: right - so if you're on the current version from their repo......it's patched
[18:46] <ikonia> Rapture: why are you trying to upgrade if they are saying they have patched their version
[18:46] <ki7mt> That's how Amz pawns off the responsibility, by saying "it should be" x,y,z
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia, Pici et al, Rapture should be contacting Amazon for support.
[18:47] <Pici> ikonia: I think Rapture is say that AWS said that "you should patch this" rather than "we have patched this"
[18:47] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia: how do I run that
[18:47] <ikonia> Pici: which seems unlikley for them to say "you should patch our software"
[18:47] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: the command is alsamixer
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> Pici, that is not what he said... he said he got an e-mail that stated it was patched, he wants to verify
[18:48] <Pici> ikonia, pragmaticenigma: I'm unsure how AWS distributes Ubuntu packages.  I'll go back to lurking now :)
[18:48] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia yes I see them.
[18:48] <ikonia> Pici: I'm trying to find out the same too, it looks like it's just a deb mirror
[18:48] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: is the volume up on them ?
[18:48] <ikonia> what is the "card" listed as ?
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> Pici, it's best that Rapture takes that question to Amazon support. He pays for a service and they should be providing support for him
[18:49] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia yes, it is. I ran the system test and it worked. I can hear stuff, it's just skype that isn't doing what it should
[18:49] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: what is the "card" listed as ?
[18:50] <egregius> hi
[18:51] <egregius> i think my video software isnt displaying my scat porn properly
[18:51] <egregius> the brown looks purple
[18:51] <RedheadedCupcake>  HDA Intel PCH
[18:51] <xubuntu91w> I can't launch Arista it says "Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked Abandon (core dumped)" in the terminal
[18:51] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia  HDA Intel PCH
[18:52] <egregius> cupcake do you have a penis?
[18:52] <RedheadedCupcake> no
[18:52] <RedheadedCupcake> do you
[18:52] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: change it to the virtual one
[18:52] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: sadly I have to go
[18:52] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia how do i change it
[18:54] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia there isn't an option for a virtual one, I have to go too.
[18:54] <c_nick> Anyone tried to run  Windows 98 from Virtual Box
[18:54] <theadmin> c_nick: Yes, that works.
[18:55] <c_nick> theadmin, when i try it bugs out at the installation start up
[18:55] <theadmin> c_nick: Well, that's honestly not an Ubuntu problem.
[18:55] <c_nick> would the actual hardware 64 bit be an issue?
[18:56] <c_nick> hmm yeah just wanted a user perspective
[18:56] <theadmin> Meh, I used it on a 64-bit computer
[18:56] <leafybasil> If I see something "generating /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-32-generic", does this mean ill need to reboot to see changes?
[18:56] <c_nick> ok thanks theadmin
[18:56] <c_nick> and its Virtual Box on Windows or Linux
[18:57] <theadmin> They're the same, eh.
[18:57] <Pici> leafybasil: yes.
[18:57] <leafybasil> Pici: so changing my keyboard options, means rebooting?
[18:58] <Pici> leafybasil: Without know what command you ran to get that, I wouldn't be able to say for sure.
[18:58] <leafybasil> Pici: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[18:59] <leafybasil> In a vain attempt to get a keyboard to work.
[18:59] <kalitest1> what now?
[19:00] <Pici> leafybasil: hm.  It may not require a reboot... but its hard to say for sure.  although, if it ended up regenerating that, I would guess that it would.  Sorry for the guessing :/
[19:00] <leafybasil> Pici: I can't stomach the idea that changing keyboard settings would require a reboot, this isn't windows.
[19:01] <pa> is it normal that killling (with SIGKILL) dhcpd cause it to respawn?
[19:02] <Pici> leafybasil: Feels weird to me too. It really should just be changing things in /etc/default/keyboard...
[19:03] <leafybasil> I'm changing settings like a madman, and none of them are having any impact
[19:03] <leafybasil> How can it be this hard to configure a keyboard.
[19:05] <Pici> leafybasil: it looks like you may be able to call service console-setup reload.
[19:06] <leafybasil> Pici: strangely I just got one of the keys to work through some change, but others are broken that ahve worked up until now :P  do you mean 'sudo service console-setup reload'
[19:06] <Pici> leafybasil: yes
[19:06] <RobinHood2015> I have an internal hard drive with Windows and an external hard drive on which I have installed Ubuntu. Is it possible to add this Ubuntu installation to the Windows Boot Manager on my internal hard drive?
[19:06] <Pici> leafybasil: Is this a mac?
[19:06] <theadmin> RobinHood2015: No, simply because the Windows boot manager can't boot anything except Windows.
[19:07] <leafybasil> Pici: yeah it is, can move to PM if you prefer?
[19:07] <leafybasil> Pici: almost all of the keys are working now
[19:08] <Pici> leafybasil: here is fine.  I was just looking at the source for /bin/setupcon and there were references to Macs... (although I guess it really says PPC Macs which you probably don't have)
[19:08] <bubbasaures> RobinHood2015, bcd can be modified, ask in ##windows probably, there is easybcd for another option.
[19:08] <leafybasil> Pici: so the systray icon for language/keyboard lets me select 'input sources', changing between all of them makes no difference at all
[19:09] <Pici> leafybasil: Anyway, the kernel and rebooting stuff looks like it is to make sure that the keyboard is setup early enough in the boot sequence so that it can be used properly if you happen to drop to single user mode or similar before the rest of the boot sequence happens.
[19:09] <leafybasil> Pici: nah, BMP
[19:09] <leafybasil> Pici: that would make sense
[19:09] <Pici> leafybasil: Sadly, I'm not much of a GUI person, I tend to stay on the server side of things, so I'm not really going to be able to help with systray stuff.
[19:10] <leafybasil> Pici: well I'm assuming that's just a GUI for setting stuff in Xorg, I used to run arch, I just wanted something that required less setup this time.
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> RobinHood2015, It is not recommended to setup external devices as a permanent option to boot from. if the drive is disconnected or damanged, you will not be able to boot your computer
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> Does anyone know how to get scp-dbus-services.py to close itself when I'm done printing. It leaves a corrupted blank space in my taskbar when I finish printing.
[19:16] <YamakasY> hi guys
[19:17] <daftykins> hi
[19:17] <YamakasY> I´m looking for a way which can override a file when I update a package which contains the same file, but without --force-overwrite
[19:18] <imbezol> which packages, which file, and why?
[19:19] <YamakasY> just because I need to
[19:19] <YamakasY> some /home/foo/bla.etx
[19:19] <YamakasY> etx
[19:19] <YamakasY> ext
[19:19] <YamakasY> I create this package myself
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> YamakasY, it helps to know what packages and files so we have context on what you are attempting to do
[19:20] <genii> why not .deb ?
[19:20] <YamakasY> pragmaticenigma, just a file in a deb
[19:20] <YamakasY> full path, you know how to create a deb I guess ?
[19:21] <genii> You should instead just install to /usr/local  and not overwrite any system files
[19:21] <genii> or the /opt  or so on
[19:22] <YamakasY> genii, there are no rules about it ;)
[19:22] <imbezol> i think the basic feeling is that what you're trying to do is a bad idea. why would you want to?
[19:22] <genii> There are actually guidelines for this
[19:22] <genii> so " no rules about this" is untrue
[19:22] <YamakasY> imbezol, because I created some small program I need to install and my update has the same names file
[19:22] <YamakasY> so it needs to override the updated version
[19:23] <imbezol> same names as what?
[19:23] <YamakasY> filename
[19:23] <imbezol> your update is not the same package name though?
[19:23] <YamakasY> it is and it needs to be also
[19:23] <jhutchins> YamakasY: That should work, as long as you use a reasonable version number for your package.  That's how files that don't incorporate version numbers are updated after all.
[19:24] <YamakasY> jhutchins, mhh weird it complains the files are the same, which are not
[19:24] <YamakasY> the package has a different version number
[19:24] <jhutchins> YamakasY: I believe the wiki has information on custom packaging.  I don't know exactly where.
[19:25] <YamakasY> yeah I already made a couple but this package doesn´t go well
[19:26] <YamakasY> I wonder if it really compares the packages inside
[19:26] <YamakasY> I mean, the files
[19:28] <leafybasil> Pici: seems for the most part to work, now just a small issue with # and £ which are the same key on my keyboard
[19:32] <astropirate> Hello friends
[19:32] <astropirate> How do I set JSON value to an environment variable?
[19:35] <leafybasil> Hmm on other OSes I usually compiled DWM and DMENU with my preferences, how do you configure them on ubuntu?  They don't seem to have configs in /etc
[19:38] <u-bot> 0
[19:52] <NinjaCowboy> Is there any way to install Qemu 2.x on Ubuntu 12.04. I downloaded the source code, but doing ./configure --enable-libusb gives me this error ERROR: User requested feature libusb configure was not able to find it.
[19:53] <NinjaCowboy> I do have libusb and libusb-dev already installed, though.
[19:54] <NinjaCowboy> I tried using qemu 1.0 which is the version in the repositories, but it always hangs about a minute after starting a VM.
[19:57] <kostkon> !info firefox trusty
[20:04] <theadmin> astropirate: That doesn't make any sense. JSON is just a way to represent data.
[20:05] <theadmin> astropirate: How to get it depends on your programming language.
[20:05] <astropirate> theadmin, you don't make any sense
[20:05] <astropirate> theadmin, kidding. I saw the errors of my ways and have come up with a better solution
[20:05] <theadmin> Err, okay
[20:05] <astropirate> theadmin, thank you good sir
[20:05] <astropirate> and/or ma'am
[20:06] <theadmin> Glad you figured it out
[20:08] <jordo> hello does anyone think they can help me figure out why i cant download any apps or update my system
[20:09] <retroispresto> Hai~
[20:09] <m1dnight_> guys im installing ubuntu on a dual boot machine, but i forgot where I put my bootloader
[20:09] <daftykins> jordanm: "cat /etc/issue" to start with
[20:09] <m1dnight_> sda (ubuntu drive), sdb (windows drive) or somewhere else?
[20:09] <hydrajump> anyone know how to add a custom python indicator to the unity-greeter?
[20:10] <NinjaCowboy> sudo apt-get remove qemu
[20:10] <NinjaCowboy> Whoops, wrong window. sorry.
[20:10] <daftykins> midnightcommand: is Windows already on the second? what's the order of events here...
[20:10] <RedheadedCupcake> Ok I am back, can someone please help me with my Skype issue
[20:10] <daftykins> midnightcommand: oops sorry
[20:10] <daftykins> m1dnight_: ^
[20:10] <retroispresto> daftykins
[20:10] <daftykins> retroispresto?
[20:11] <m1dnight_> daftykins: yes it is already on there. ubuntu is/was on there too
[20:11] <retroispresto> Would I be helping Ubuntu's development if I used an Alpha or daily build in a VM and reported bugs to launchpad?
[20:11] <m1dnight_> /dev/sda is ubuntu, /dev/sdb is Windows
[20:11] <daftykins> m1dnight_: so the live session sees the disks swapped?
[20:11] <m1dnight_> yes
[20:12] <theadmin> retroispresto: Certainly, you can find info on the current testing version and discuss it at #ubuntu+1
[20:12] <daftykins> retroispresto: give them a shout in #ubuntu+1 - i don't have a clue on contribution
[20:12] <daftykins> !contribute
[20:12] <daftykins> retroispresto: ^ that might be handy though
[20:12] <retroispresto> Thanks ^^
[20:12] <genii> hemingway
[20:13] <undecim> m1dnight_, sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
[20:13] <undecim> m1dnight_, if you see the word "Grub" amongst gibberish, that's probably your bootloader
[20:13] <amriunix> hi guys !! i have this kind of error in curl !!! "(6) Could not resolve host:" - any idea ???
[20:14] <daftykins> amriunix: yeah busted DNS or the host doesn't exist
[20:14] <daftykins> try by IP to confirm
[20:14] <ikonia> your dns for that url is not working
[20:15] <amriunix> bro my dns <IP_ADDRESS> !!! how can this possible !!! and i was using this of web terminal represent. http://showterm.io
[20:15] <daftykins> amriunix: #1 suggestion - don't bring the street talk in here.
[20:15] <amriunix> daftykins: ok sorry !!
[20:16] <daftykins> amriunix: "dig domain.com" resolve ?
[20:16] <ikonia> amriunix: how did you set your dns to <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[20:17] <amriunix> ikonia: /etc/resolv.conf and update with "resolvconf -u"
[20:18] <ikonia> thats not how you use it
[20:18] <Guest70399>  does any one know how to use bluefish editor ?
[20:18] <ikonia> ubuntu uses dnsmasq
[20:19] <amriunix> ikonia: Sorry, but what you mean ??
[20:19] <ikonia> exactly what i sd
[20:19] <ikonia> said
[20:20] <retroispresto> So I just go over and grab http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/vivid-desktop-i386.iso and I can start helping?
[20:21] <ikonia> retroispresto: ?
[20:21] <undecim> retroispresto, pretty much
[20:22] <undecim> retroispresto, more bug reports give the devs more info to find out what is causing a bug
[20:22] <ikonia> that is not true
[20:22] <ikonia> blind bug reports do not help
[20:22] <undecim> ikonia, yeah, but those can be ignored
[20:22] <ikonia> undecim: you don't know until you investigate them
[20:23] <ikonia> it wastes time and effort
[20:24] <Guest70399>  does any one know how to use bluefish editor ?
[20:25] <Guest70399>  does any one know how to use bluefish editor ?
[20:25] <Guest70399> or wr i cn get get help
[20:25] <ikonia> tried the bluefish support services ?
[20:26] <Guest70399> is this online or chat?
[20:26] <ikonia> look on the website what options they offer
[20:26] <Guest70399> ikonia, is this online or chat?
[20:26] <ikonia> look on the website what options they offer
[20:26] <Guest70399> ikonia,  do u know of any room in here i can go ask ?
[20:27] <ikonia> look on the website what options they offer
[20:27] <Guest70399> ikonia,  its really simple but im used to using dreamweaver
[20:27] <ikonia> look on the website what options they offer
[20:27] <O_OniGiri> hi there, I just received my new HP zbook 14 with Windows pre installed. today I tried to install xubuntu while removing Windows. unfortunately no luck. I am getting a message saying: no bootable image was found.
[20:27] <gr33n7007h> is ikonia a bot lol :)
[20:28] <ikonia> he's not
[20:28] <gr33n7007h> I know, jk :)
[20:28] <undecim> Yes he is. He's just well programmed
[20:28] <undecim> O_OniGiri, Did you complete the install process?
[20:28] <O_OniGiri> yes I did
[20:28] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: enter the EFI and check what the boot entry is
[20:28] <hoogeveen> so, i was trying to kickstart ubuntu 14.04.1 tls over NFS and it appears from the out-of-date doc that pulling pkgs from nfs is not yet supported?
[20:28] <hoogeveen> is this true?
[20:28] <undecim> O_OniGiri, What version of windows was installed?
[20:28] <O_OniGiri> 8.1 I think
[20:29] <hoogeveen> i see that one can specify the kickstart config file via nfs, but the actual archive must be a cdrom?
[20:29] <undecim> O_OniGiri, You may need to disable Secure Boot
[20:29] <hoogeveen> the install fails looking for an ISO in the cdrom drive (which, of course, doesn't exist)
[20:30] <O_OniGiri> I already disabled secure boot
[20:30] <ikonia> hoogeveen: depends how you are trying to pull the packages
[20:30] <hoogeveen> over nfs?
[20:30] <jhutchins> hoogeveen: I don't know what the failure mode is, but it's supposed to reject a foreign OS on a CD.
[20:30] <ikonia> hoogeveen: no, thats the file store
[20:30] <hoogeveen> there is no cd in the drive
[20:30] <ikonia> hoogeveen: how are you trying to pull them
[20:30] <jhutchins> hoogeveen: Sorry, crossthread.
[20:30] <hoogeveen> i'm not sure.   the same way that works with redhat and OEL.
[20:30] <hoogeveen> whatever method is used there.
[20:31] <jhutchins> O_OniGiri: How did you prepare the boot media (and what is it)?
[20:31] <hoogeveen> i believe that the nfs mount the directory tree containing the ISO
[20:31] <hoogeveen> then copy from there.
[20:31] <ikonia> hoogeveen: well, no you're not as redhat pulls rpms with the rpm/yum command
[20:31] <ikonia> hoogeveen: ubuntu doens't do that - so I'm asking how your install process is installing/pulling the packages
[20:31] <jhutchins> hoogeveen: Did you create the boot media with unetbootin?
[20:32] <O_OniGiri> brb
[20:35] <O_OniGiri> jhutchins not sure what you mean,  but the laptop has a msata ssd 128gb and a hdd 500gb
[20:36] <undecim> O_OniGiri, How did you load Ubuntu? A thumb drive?
[20:36] <O_OniGiri> yeah I made a bootable usb
[20:37] <undecim> O_OniGiri, how?
[20:37] <O_OniGiri> I used Rufus to make the bootable usb
[20:37] <O_OniGiri> I just ran boot-repair using xubuntu from usb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9751855/
[20:38] <daftykins> i can't stand the logs from that program, it's like reading a mini novel
[20:38] <daftykins> then being tested on it afterwards =|
[20:38] <jhutchins> Hm, Rufus doesn't seem to have an option to verify the burn.
[20:39] <O_OniGiri> but I am pretty sure that it is correctly burned
[20:39] <daftykins> you don't burn to USB.
[20:39] <jhutchins> O_OniGiri: Did you verify the iso?
[20:39] <O_OniGiri> I used the same USB to install xubuntu on an desktop
[20:39] <jhutchins> daftykins: What verb do you suggest?
[20:39] <daftykins> transfer
[20:39] <jhutchins> O_OniGiri: So verified as bootable.
[20:40] <undecim> O_OniGiri, see if "Grub", "Ubuntu" or "Xubuntu" shows up in your boot options in Setup
[20:40] <O_OniGiri> I have the feeling though that my computer is only searching the hdd for the bootable image and not the ssd
[20:41] <O_OniGiri> undecim if I go to boot options it does show ubuntu
[20:41] <undecim> O_OniGiri, I would imagine that the SSD is where the computer would be configured to boot from... It's faster for booting than HDD
[20:42] <O_OniGiri> undecim, I would think so too
[20:42] <juan_> hola
[20:42] <O_OniGiri> Anyways xubuntu boots correctly if chosen from boot menu
[20:43] <undecim> O_OniGiri, via UEFI/Bios setup?
[20:43] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: as on my first reply, enter the EFI and change the boot device :)
[20:43] <O_OniGiri> daftykins, how do I enter efi?
[20:43] <daftykins> depends on machine and brand
[20:44] <O_OniGiri> it's a hp
[20:44] <daftykins> consult your manual
[20:44] <grogoreo> hi
[20:44] <undecim> O_OniGiri, Usually Esc, F2, or Del key during early boot
[20:44] <daftykins> typically F2, F12, delete... sometimes a dedicated button from power off...
[20:45] <O_OniGiri> and then go into bios settings?
[20:45] <undecim> O_OniGiri, sometimes I just press all the top row keys
[20:45] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: EFI = new name, BIOS replacement. so yeah, same thing
[20:45] <grogoreo> I've Ubuntu installed (with Unity) but recently tried i3 but when I play videos the picture appears to tear which it doesn't do when using Unity. Any ideas why?
[20:45] <jmw> At leaston HP Z-Workstations, [ESC] will bring up a full menu of choices pre-boot.
[20:46] <daftykins> grogoreo: 3D accel probably. what graphics?
[20:47] <O_OniGiri> I have the following order currently : m2 ssd hard drive,  os  boot manager, usb hard drive, ipv4,ipv6, SD card, generic USB, custom boot
[20:47] <grogoreo> daftykins, Intel graphics on i3 laptop. I wondered if it was necessary for a compositor so tried compton however that didn't help. Video smooth in Unity, don't get the difference.
[20:47] <RedheadedCupcake> can someone help me with my mic/speakers they aren't working in Skype but they work everywhere else
[20:48] <daftykins> grogoreo: you can have a go at applying tearfree to your xorg.conf to resolve. as per - http://askubuntu.com/questions/418398/tear-free-disabled-in-intel-graphics-tearing-in-xubuntu
[20:49] <O_OniGiri> that order results in an error
[20:49] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: which order? SSD first? yeah not surprising, change it to 'custom boot manager first' perhaps
[20:49] <daftykins> a pic would be nice though
[20:50] <grogoreo> daftykins, thanks I'll have a look. Would you know what Unity is specifically doing to not need that.
[20:50] <profit> existing :D
[20:50] <daftykins> grogoreo: not a clue
[20:51] <O_OniGiri> daftykins I could make a picture if you want...
[20:51] <daftykins> though i've seen people have the tearing in unity too, so it's a total guess
[20:51] <grogoreo> daftykins, fair do's. thanks
[20:51] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: eh, you can just experiment with the options there :> probably quicker
[20:52] <lustic> hey! I installed another distro alongside Ubuntu,  the grub menu does not show up after I start my laptop,  is there a easy to use tool to resolve this ?
[20:53] <profit> boot into rescue, # update-grub
[20:53] <profit> or grub-install /dev/sdX
[20:53] <lustic> apt-get grub install ?
[20:53] <O_OniGiri> daftykins custom boot freezes my laptop at the hp logo splash screen
[20:54] <profit> grub-install should be installed already as part of your ubuntu install
[20:54] <profit> update-grub is a command to update grub's config files, grub-install writes the bootloader somehwere
[20:54] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: you'll never guess what i suggest...
[20:54] <O_OniGiri> I pressed the power button already
[20:54] <lustic> I need to boot into rescue to execute update-grub?
[20:54] <RedheadedCupcake> anyone....?
[20:55] <profit> lustic: yeah so that you have a shell to work off of. you'll want to chroot into your ubuntu install
[20:55] <lustic> I'm pretty noob for that, : /
[20:55] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, what's your problem exactly
[20:56] <O_OniGiri> daftykins nothing fixes the problem :(
[20:56] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon I dl'd Skype from the website, opened it, it took me to the software center, installed it. Cam works but speakers and mic do not
[20:57] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, what happens when you start a call then
[20:57] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: nothing at all huh? as in no entry at all?
[20:57] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon it calls but the other person can't hear me and i can't hear them
[20:57] <O_OniGiri> daftykins yeah no entry at all
[20:57] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: in alsa mixer what devices do you have ?
[20:58] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, first of all, you better install the version from the ubuntu repos
[20:58] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon in settings it's saying I have it set to "virtual device"
[20:58] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, that's normal
[20:58] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon can you give me the magic terminal code for that
[20:59] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: one idea, install GRUB to the SSD to pass over to the HDD... alternative idea, check for EFI (BIOS) updates to the machine that avoid this issue. or - scour the EFI for some other setting that might influence this
[20:59] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon i'm iffy with ubuntu, but i follow directions really well. so you tell me what to do and i will do it. but i don't know what to enter into terminal so you'll have to tell me what to copy/paste when you want me to use terminal
[20:59] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, remove the current one, then in the software centre, click Edit -> Software Sources, then 3rd party software and then enable the Partner repository
[20:59] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: ps -ef | grep pulse
[20:59] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: what do you get
[21:00] <lustic_> hmmm
[21:00] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia http://pastebin.com/52L6X2Dh
[21:01] <lustic_> profit,  my connection died can you tell me one more time ?
[21:01] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: looks good
[21:01] <ikonia> lustic_: there is no one called profit in here
[21:01] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia I am going to do what kostkon suggested by removing it.
[21:01] <Newyorkadam> hi, I’m pretty new to ubuntu. I run 14.04 on a digitalocean droplet. I’m having a slight problem:
[21:01] <O_OniGiri> daftykins how do I install grub on my SSD?
[21:01] <O_OniGiri> daftykins nvm I will google it
[21:01] <Newyorkadam> I run the command “mv /var/www/html/games/wordpress/ /var/www/html/games”
[21:02] <ikonia> Newyorkadam: talk to digitalocean - they change the install to a custom setup
[21:02] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon, ikonia can either of you give me the terminal command to remove skype?
[21:02] <Newyorkadam> and get an error: “mv: ‘/var/www/html/games/wordpress/’ and ‘/var/www/html/games/wordpress’ are the same file”
[21:02] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: apt-get purge skype
[21:02] <Newyorkadam> ikonia: I’ve got it all set up. I just ran into this one problem
[21:02] <ikonia> Newyorkadam: you're moving it to the same place
[21:02] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: that was probably the least good idea :>
[21:02] <ikonia> Newyorkadam: hence why they are the same
[21:02] <Newyorkadam> ikonia: but they’re clearing different files
[21:02] <shiggitay> hi guys... I have a question: how hard would it be to compile a custom kernel for Ubuntu? I'd like to install elementary os onto my baytrail tablet, but it doesn't have the required eMMC drivers to see the storage.
[21:02] <ikonia> Newyorkadam: not according to that command
[21:02] <Newyorkadam> or folders I should say
[21:03] <Newyorkadam> ikonia: isn’t that moving the /games/wordpress to /games? I’m afraid I don’t understand
[21:03] <lustic_> I installed another distro alongside Ubuntu, no grub menu appears upon boot,  someone already gave me the solution but I lost the page here and had to reconnect : /  care to answer?
[21:03] <ikonia> Newyorkadam: no
[21:03] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia do you think the problem is because i installed the 32 bit version and my laptop is 64 bit?
[21:03] <daftykins> Newyorkadam: yeah your command syntax is wrong, "mv /var/www/html/games/wordpress /var/www/html/games/"
[21:03] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia whatever you told me to do is finished.
[21:03] <ikonia> Newyorkadam: and moving /games/wordpress to /games - is the same place
[21:04] <Newyorkadam> ikonia: what I’m trying to do is move the files that are under /games/wordpress to just under /games/
[21:04] <Jordan_U> lustic_: What is the output of "sudo os-prober"?
[21:04] <daftykins> Newyorkadam: oops i messed up too!
[21:04] <daftykins> Newyorkadam: yeah your command syntax is wrong, "mv /var/www/html/games/wordpress /var/www/html/"
[21:04] <Newyorkadam> daftykins: haha
[21:04] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: Then you want to do: mv /var/www/html/games/wordpress/{*,.*} /var/www/html/games/
[21:04] <ikonia> Newyorkadam: then stop trying to move the games directory
[21:04] <O_OniGiri> daftykins btw,  during the xubuntu installation I noticed something, not sure if it matters. But sda was my HDD and sdb was my ssd
[21:04] <shiggitay> anyone?
[21:04] <lustic_> jordan - /dev/sda4:Debian GNU/Linux (Kali Linux 1.0.9):Debian:linux
[21:04] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: does it matter?
[21:04] <ikonia> shiggitay: talk to elementary teams
[21:05] <ikonia> shiggitay: elemntary is not ubuntu
[21:05] <daftykins> shiggitay: elementary is not on topic here.
[21:05] <shiggitay> isn't elementary ubuntu-based though?
[21:05] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: which OS is going where and what size are each again?
[21:05] <ikonia> shiggitay: it's not ubuntu though
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> !elementary
[21:05] <daftykins> shiggitay: yes, but they have their own problems.
[21:05] <shiggitay> okay fair enough
[21:05] <shiggitay> thanks
[21:05] <Newyorkadam> theadmin: what’s the {*,.*}?
[21:05] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: bash magic. * matches all normal files, .* matches all hidden files
[21:06] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: So we combine both of those and
[21:06] <theadmin> Match all files
[21:06] <O_OniGiri> sda (hdd 500gb) would be my /home, sdb (ssd 128gb) would be my /
[21:06] <lustic_> jordan - /dev/sda4:Debian GNU/Linux (Kali Linux 1.0.9):Debian:linux
[21:07] <O_OniGiri> swap would also be on my hdd
[21:07] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia: it's finished...
[21:07] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: ? and
[21:07] <lustic_> ?
[21:07] <RedheadedCupcake> it was removed
[21:07] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: is this machine accessible enough that you could pop out the HDD for the install?
[21:07] <isifreek> How do I go about finding out how portable/standard a given util is?
[21:07] <ikonia> isifreek: what do you mean ?
[21:08] <lustic_> I installed another distro alongside Ubuntu, no grub menu appears upon boot,  someone already gave me the solution but I lost the page here and had to reconnect : /  care to answer?
[21:08] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: I would have to check. BTW off topic, what irc
[21:08] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: 'what IRC' ?
[21:08] <O_OniGiri> daftykins nvm my off topic
[21:09] <isifreek> ikonia: like `id -u` is posix, but `whoami` is not. I only know that because i asked on IRC.
[21:09] <daftykins> that seemed like part of a question
[21:09] <lustic_> I installed another distro alongside ubuntu,  no grub menu appears upon boot,  how can I easily fix this ?
[21:09] <Newyorkadam> theadmin: mv: cannot move ‘/var/www/html/games/wordpress/..’ to ‘/var/www/html/games/..’: Device or resource busy
[21:09] <isifreek> ikonia: i've run into this many times. atm im trying to figure out `host` v `dig`
[21:09] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: You can't do that...
[21:09] <O_OniGiri> daftykins I wanted to ask if you know a nice irc for Android? since it's kinda hard to read for me
[21:09] <ikonia> isifreek: what do you mean host v dig ?
[21:09] <ikonia> isifreek: what is the actual problem ?
[21:10] <Newyorkadam> theadmin: I typed in whta you told me to
[21:10] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: i've only ever used andchat before, if we're talking clients.
[21:10] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: Ah, never mind, just ignore that, that's to be expected
[21:10] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: The files should have been moved anyway.
[21:10] <isifreek> ikonia: they do the same thing essentially (like `ip` and `route` but route is deprecated which I only know because I asked on IRC lol)
[21:10] <ikonia> isifreek: so what's the problem ?
[21:11] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: another question, do you type my name if you reply? or is there another way?  sorry for off topic
[21:11] <Newyorkadam> theadmin: they were! thanks :D
[21:11] <Newyorkadam> why did I get that error?
[21:11] <isifreek> ikonia: how do i find out the diff without having to ask on irc and wait for a response?
[21:11] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: .* also matches .., that is, the parent directory
[21:11] <tytan> I have a PC with a Core 2 Quad and Zotac nVidia GT 720. I can't install the graphics driver :(
[21:11] <isifreek> and by "the diff" i mean: which one should i use and why
[21:11] <ikonia> isifreek: what do you mean "the diff" ?? they are different commands
[21:11] <ikonia> isifreek: use whatever YOU like to do the job you want to get done
[21:11] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: But, eh... It can't move the parent directory while operating on its child so that's still safe
[21:11] <Newyorkadam> theadmin: alright, thanks. want a tip in bitcoin?
[21:11] <ikonia> isifreek: there is general info on the web
[21:11] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: i hit o, then tab
[21:11] <theadmin> Newyorkadam: No, Bitcoin is illegal in my country. Thanks though
[21:12] <Newyorkadam> yep. russia?
[21:12] <CtrlAltDelicious> Hey everyone
[21:12] <theadmin> Yeah.
[21:12] <stoogenmeyer> hi! I've got an issue that upon coming back from suspend my laptop will sometimes have a very dim screen which cant be brightened up using the brightness control, and sometimes it comes back normally. furthermore, if i reboot it, it will be back to normal. also if I'm connecting and disconnecting to an external monitor it sometimes will solve the issue as well. Can someone help me to solve this issue without having to reboot
[21:12] <stoogenmeyer>  the computer??
[21:12] <Newyorkadam> haha :p thanks again
[21:12] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia: it says that it was uninstalled successfull
[21:12] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: yes, you've said that a few times
[21:12] <isifreek> ikonia: that's def not a satisfactory answer. i suppose i'll just go back to googling :/ i was hoping there was some compatibility reference or something that said where common utils were made (and why if there are other common utils that do the same thing)
[21:13] <daftykins> lustic_: did you ask them to help you unbreak the damage their distro did? :P
[21:13] <RedheadedCupcake> ikonia: now what do we do/
[21:13] <ikonia> isifreek: that is the realistic answer
[21:13] <ikonia> RedheadedCupcake: what ever you want - I didn't want you to uninstall anything, you wanted to do that, so you take it forward as you see best
[21:13] <O_OniGi61> oki
[21:13] <CtrlAltDelicious> Hey everyone, question about an app I’m having difficulty compiling.
[21:14] <daftykins> CtrlAltDelicious: still waiting for it... :)
[21:14] <CtrlAltDelicious> lol daftykins
[21:14]  * daftykins does a drumroll
[21:14] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, did you enable the Partner repo
[21:14] <lustic_> daftykins :  ask who ? Ubuntu runs just fine, the other distro is installed on sda4 just fine, the grub menu just doesn't appear,
[21:14] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon i didn't see anything about 3rd party anythings
[21:14] <isifreek> ikonia: if i followed that, i'd be using `route` right now because i prefer it... `route` is deprecated.
[21:15] <ikonia> isifreek: it's still there though
[21:15] <ikonia> isifreek: you can use route just fine
[21:15] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, in the menu in the software centre, click on Edit -> Software Sources. Another way to access it would be to open your updater and click on Settings
[21:15]  * isifreek facepalms
[21:15] <O_OniGiri> ok...  I am back on my tablet
[21:15] <isifreek> ikonia: what's the point of deprecation then??? lol
[21:15] <CtrlAltDelicious> daftykins: Im trying to compile hping3 from source... Im getting the following error when doing make:
[21:15] <ikonia> isifreek: it means it's going to be removed and replaced
[21:16] <CtrlAltDelicious> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/P8g8xhcU
[21:16] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon going to go updater route checking now
[21:16] <CtrlAltDelicious> i do have libpcap installed
[21:16] <isifreek> ikonia: so you shouldnt use it in new scripts! lol
[21:16] <O_OniGiri>  daftykins I just used my recovery drive
[21:16] <Seveas> CtrlAltDelicious: why not simply install the hping3 package?
[21:16] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon what tab would that option be under
[21:16] <ikonia> isifreek: you can use it just fine
[21:16] <CtrlAltDelicious> Seveas: Oh?
[21:17] <r22ere> why have there been so many Ubuntu base updates over the past couple of days
[21:17] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, 3rd party software or something similar sounding
[21:17] <hoogeveen> jhutchins no, i didn't create the boot media with unetbootin.  i just unpacked the iso into a dir that is available via nfs
[21:17] <isifreek> ikonia: I basically want this answer for all utils so that I dont have to ask all the time: http://www.quora.com/Bash-shell/What-are-the-differences-between-host-dig-and-nslookup-and-when-should-I-use-each
[21:17] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: err, to do what?
[21:17] <ikonia> isifreek: you're not going to get it in here
[21:17] <ikonia> isifreek: thats called research and different distros use different packages - so it's not always "true" for ubuntu
[21:17] <CtrlAltDelicious> wow
[21:17] <CtrlAltDelicious> Seveas: Didnt even know that was in APT
[21:17] <ikonia> isifreek: again - hence why I say use what you are comfortable with/gets the job done
[21:17] <hoogeveen> ikonia i don't know how the installer works to pull stuff over.  it is anaconda
[21:17] <Seveas> CtrlAltDelicious: always check that first :-)
[21:18] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: reinstall Windows
[21:18] <CtrlAltDelicious> Seveas: LMAO  << Dumb ass
[21:18] <CtrlAltDelicious> thanks bro
[21:18] <CtrlAltDelicious> done...
[21:18] <ikonia> hoogeveen: anaconda has many options
[21:18] <isifreek> ikonia: ya, but some packages are *special* and you'd think thered be a list somewhere.
[21:18]  * isifreek just wants to meet someone who knows of one.
[21:18] <hoogeveen> i specify nfs in the kickstart file
[21:18] <ikonia> isifreek: no they are not
[21:18] <ikonia> isifreek: there is no "special" packages
[21:18] <isifreek> ikonia: id
[21:18] <ikonia> id ?
[21:19] <RedheadedCupcake> Kostkon all of the boxes are checked under Ubuntu Software tab
[21:19] <isifreek> you can have expectations of it being there on pretty much any system
[21:19] <ikonia> isifreek: and ?
[21:19] <r22ere> does Ubuntu have greater user privacy then Debian?
[21:19] <isifreek> ikonia: and that is not an assumption you can make about, say, route
[21:19] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, that's now the one.
[21:19] <Seveas> r22ere: no.
[21:19] <kostkon> not*
[21:19] <ikonia> isifreek: so ?
[21:19] <r22ere> Seveas, why doesn't it
[21:20] <Seveas> r22ere: why should it?
[21:20] <isifreek> isifreek: so therefore, id is specialer
[21:20] <ikonia> isifreek: it's not special at all
[21:20] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon what now?
[21:20] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: oh are you going to reinstall both from scratch?
[21:20] <ikonia> isifreek: you could use "getent" instead of id
[21:20] <r22ere> Seveas, because people value their privacy?
[21:20] <ikonia> so you don't have to have id
[21:20] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, ok if you have enabled it then click on Close.
[21:20] <isifreek> ikonia: you could write everything in assembly
[21:21] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon It's closed and those boxes have been checked the whole time I've been dealing with this problem.
[21:21] <ikonia> isifreek: you're not making any sense
[21:21] <O_OniGiri> daftykins going to reinstall Windows first and afterwards I will try to unintelligible it again and install xubuntu, I know it doesn't make sense
[21:21] <RedheadedCupcake> Kostkon how do I get skype from the ubuntu repositories
[21:21] <Seveas> r22ere: but what makes you think Debian should be worse?
[21:21] <ikonia> !skype | RedheadedCupcake
[21:21] <O_OniGiri> uninstall*
[21:21] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, you could paste the output of    apt-cache policy skype
[21:22] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, for starters, do that
[21:23] <isifreek> ikonia: getent doesnt serve the same purpose as id. just like assembly doesnt serve the same purpose as tools people actually use for the purpose of writing programs...
[21:23] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon N: Unable to locate package skype
[21:23] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon remember we uninstalled it.
[21:23] <ikonia> isifreek: getent does the same thing as id
[21:23] <isifreek> regardless, youve answered my Q somewhere in there, so thanks anyways
[21:23] <isifreek> ikonia: then why does id exist?
[21:23] <ikonia> isifreek: they are just different / legacy / new options
[21:23] <ikonia> isifreek: hence "use what you like best"
[21:24] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, have a go at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/14629/how-do-i-enable-the-partner-repository
[21:24] <isifreek> ikonia: lol what if I like goto and eval best?
[21:24] <isifreek> ikonia: want me working on your OS?
[21:24] <ikonia> isifreek: thats just a stupid thing to say
[21:24] <ikonia> if you're not going to ask realistic questions and behave like this, you'll just get ignored
[21:24] <isifreek> ikonia: i'm going by your logic...
[21:24] <ikonia> isifreek: no, you're not
[21:25] <ikonia> isifreek: I'll make it simple
[21:25] <ikonia> isifreek: in linux there are often multiple commands to do the same thing, use the one you like the best
[21:25] <r22ere> can Microsoft Office for Apple computers work on Ubuntu?
[21:25] <ikonia> this isn't "programming loops" or anything smart like that, it's just personal preference
[21:25] <daftykins> r22ere: no
[21:25] <ikonia> r22ere: no
[21:25] <r22ere> that sucks
[21:25] <mojtaba> Hi, I have recently bought a thinkpad T440s, and I have shrunken the Windows partition, but when I try to install ubuntu on that free partition, it says there is no partition table. Do you know what should I do? (UEFI is enabled in the BIOS too)
[21:26] <isifreek> ikonia: ok, I will. just please dont recommend that to noobs.
[21:26] <ikonia> isifreek: recommend what ?
[21:26] <r22ere> mojtaba, what is the free partition formated to
[21:26] <daftykins> mojtaba: you might be booting in the wrong mode, do you see the EFI menu (white writing on black background) or the legacy menu? (purple)
[21:26] <Jordan_U> isifreek: POSIX is a standard for various commands and interfaces for *NIX systems, Linux Standards Base is a standard that tries to define a common base for Linux systems. Neither are ever followed completely (moreso LSB than POSIX), for example LSB dictates that RPM be the package management system in use. These are useful resourses, but by no means a complete answer (there is no single place to find portability ...
[21:26] <Jordan_U> ... information). Also, manual pages often tell where a command originated, and give some information about portability to other systems.
[21:26] <mojtaba> r22ere: ext4
[21:27] <mojtaba> daftykins: I am now in the BIOS setup
[21:27] <hoogeveen> under "missing features" in the auto install doc, it states that it doesn't support: Installation from an archive on a local hard disk or from an NFS archive.
[21:27] <isifreek> Jordan_U: ahh, I did not know about LSB, thank you! who specifies that? linux foundation?
[21:28] <daftykins> hoogeveen: meh, that page is probably ancient. tried #ubuntu-server ?
[21:28] <mojtaba> daftykins: secure boot is disabled
[21:28] <hoogeveen> so, i was thinking that I can't pass an nfs location to it and have it install.   in any event, with the same install set up, it keeps barfing on a missing cd
[21:28] <O_OniGiri> daftykins I am going to reinstall xubuntu now
[21:28] <hoogeveen> no, i can go there.
[21:28] <daftykins> mojtaba: that was unnecessary
[21:28] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon, did what that said
[21:28] <mojtaba> daftykins: UEFI/Legacy Boot: UEFI Only
[21:28] <hoogeveen> thanks, daftykins
[21:29] <daftykins> hoogeveen: np
[21:29] <mojtaba> daftykins: CSM Support: Yes
[21:29] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, try giving apt-cache policy skype   again
[21:29] <mojtaba> daftykins: I will enable then the secure boot
[21:29] <daftykins> mojtaba: you didn't really answer whether you booted the flash drive or install media as EFI or legacy
[21:29] <daftykins> !efi | mojtaba
[21:30] <mojtaba> daftykins: I booted from the USB disk
[21:30] <O_OniGiri> daftykins does it matter that my SSD is indicated as sdb and my HDD is indicated with sda?
[21:30] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon: Installed: (none)
[21:30] <daftykins> mojtaba: yes but there are two modes of boot, legacy and EFI. follow the above factoid link to see the two images that show the difference
[21:30] <isifreek> ikonia: I suppose I can refine *special* now to mean an element of LSB (better) or POSIX (best). and by "better" and "best" i mean likelihood of finding them on a randomly selected OS.
[21:30] <nodeman> How can i successfully rebuild initramfs while using raid5, Full disk encryption, lvm? My system fails to boot at first it could not find evms_activate and after chroot+ update-initramfs it says it cannot find root?? Please help me:)
[21:30] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: yeah it matters depending on which way around you want the install to happen
[21:30] <Newyorkadam> what are my ftp details?
[21:31] <Jordan_U> isifreek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base , yes it's a working group "under the organizational structure of the Linux Foundation".
[21:31] <O_OniGiri> how do I make ssd sda?
[21:31] <Newyorkadam> how do I find them?
[21:31] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, ok now either use the software centre or the terminal to install it, which is faster. Just give   sudo apt-get install skype
[21:31] <ikonia> isifreek: nothing you just said changed anything
[21:31] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: if you are nuking both disks then putting Windows on the start of the HDD, then putting ubuntu on the SSD for / and HDD for /home, it'll be pretty important yes
[21:31] <O_OniGiri> daftykins so should my SSD be sda? I do not need Windows, only xubuntu
[21:32] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: oh there's no windows install at all? i thought you were after a dualboot
[21:32] <O_OniGiri> daftykins no just Linux only
[21:32] <nodeman>  /ignore -channels #ubuntu * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[21:32] <daftykins> Newyorkadam: you don't have any. you're seeing that on wordpress 'cause you've not configured the web server correctly :)
[21:32] <Ben64> O_OniGiri: it doesn't really matter what is sda and what is sdb
[21:32] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: ah ok. yeah ideally you want the SSD to show up first.
[21:33] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon installing now
[21:33] <O_OniGiri> daftykins and if it isn't? how do I fix it?
[21:33] <Newyorkadam> daftykins: no, wordpress is working fine
[21:33] <Newyorkadam> I need FTP or FTPS info to install a plugin
[21:33] <mojtaba> daftykins: I am following that link. thanks
[21:34] <mojtaba> daftykins: I will ask your help, if needed.
[21:34] <Sia-> hi guys
[21:34] <nodeman> hello
[21:34] <nodeman> Sia-: do you know the linux boot process in great detail?
[21:35] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon that did not fix the problem. still can hear and the mic doesn't work
[21:35] <Sia-> yes nodeman
[21:35] <daftykins> Newyorkadam: no, you don't understand. seeing that FTP details page when trying to install a theme, update or plugin show's you've set it up wrong. they are capable of being auto downloaded.
[21:35] <O_OniGiri> daftykins how do I make ssd sda?
[21:35] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: well the easiest way would be to remove the HDD then install :)
[21:35] <Ben64> O_OniGiri: why does it matter?
[21:36] <nodeman> Sia-: Maybe you can tell me why my system does not boot then. It cannot find root after updateing initramfs i have raid5, full disk encryption and lvm
[21:36] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, ok   what kind of audio setup have you got. Is this a laptop or a desktop with an external mic etc
[21:36] <daftykins> Ben64: it messed up before, didn't really get to the reason as to why
[21:36] <O_OniGiri> ben64: daftykins says so :p
[21:36] <nodeman> Sia-: I would be really happy if I can get some clue:)
[21:36] <Ben64> ubuntu has no problems installing to sdb or sdc or sdz if it exists
[21:36] <O_OniGiri> daftykins but if I remove hdd, I actually want /home to be on the hdd
[21:36] <isifreek> ikonia: agree to disagree
[21:36] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: yeah that can be setup later
[21:37] <Newyorkadam> daftykins: what have I set up wrong? mysql?
[21:37] <Sia-> nodeman check the log files
[21:37] <O_OniGiri> daftykins or do I need to reinstall afterwards again?
[21:37] <Sia-> of  bootings
[21:37] <daftykins> Ben64: oh i remember now, seems O_OniGiri's system EFI refuses to boot off anything but the SSD (auto) only manual menu works
[21:37] <Sia->  !tell nodeman boot
[21:37] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: nah you can boot in then reconfigure it.
[21:37] <nodeman> okey, thanks I will look into them now
[21:38] <O_OniGiri> daftykins kk
[21:38] <O_OniGiri> , daftykins I am going to check if I can get the hdd out
[21:38] <O_OniGiri> brb
[21:39] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon it's a HP ProBook 4430s
[21:40] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon the weird thing is that I used to have 14.04 and put Win 7 on to dual boot, remembered that I hate windows, so I wiped it all and put 14.04 LTS on it again, anyway, when I had it the first time Skype worked fine.
[21:41] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, in your audio settings does it say virtual device or pulseaudio server
[21:41] <roaet> whee ubuntu! Anyone know how to DELETE a network interface? I expected ifconfig XXX down to work. It doesn't DELETE it from the list.
[21:41] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, ok
[21:41] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon in skype?
[21:41] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, yes, sorry, in skype's audio settings
[21:41] <daftykins>  roaet what are you hoping to achieve? there's no need to get rid of one.
[21:42] <pragmaticenigma> roaet, disabled is all you can do. unless you physically remove the device from the computer, you can't delete it
[21:42] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon WELL it says PulseAudio server now
[21:42] <roaet> daftykins: I have a VPN script that is reconfiguring routes based on a well-known interface (utun0). sometimes that interface is there but isn't connected to VPN. I'd like to remove it from the list so I can change the routes AFTER connecting.. not before.
[21:42] <RedheadedCupcake> before it said virtual device
[21:43] <roaet> pragmaticenigma: it is a virtual device.. maybe a tunnel (i start getting confused there)
[21:43] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, that's good  could you just now call the skype call test service and test it out again?
[21:43] <pragmaticenigma> ah, that makes better sense
[21:43] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon i'm making the test call now
[21:43] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, ok
[21:43] <RedheadedCupcake> kostkon BAM IT WORKS THANK YOU MY DEAR
[21:44] <kostkon> RedheadedCupcake, no probs :)
[21:45] <roaet> pragmaticenigma: so the VPN waits for the RSA token and all that because the interface appears after RSA token is accepted (as expected). Then the routes on that VPN are changed. Sometimes that interface is present before the RSA dialog even appears and the script changes the routes on it (which messes up a lot of things).
[21:45] <roaet> I don't honestly know how to 'check' if the VPN is connected other than polling on ifconfig.
[21:46] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: awesome, hdd was really is to remove
[21:46] <pragmaticenigma> roaet, is it possible to put a delay in the script to wait longer?
[21:46] <roaet> But if the interface is still in ifconfig (even though it is down, disconnected, or shouldn't be there) then it gets confused.
[21:46] <O_OniGiri> daftykins will now do a install of xubuntu
[21:46]  * pragmaticenigma has to go now... I wish I could stay
[21:48] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: sounds good!
[21:48] <Guest70399>  does any one know how to use bluefish editor ?
[21:49] <daftykins> Guest70399: you asked this earlier and were told to consult their support...
[21:49] <Guest70399> coulnt find any info that help me
[21:49] <daftykins> if a product has direct support - why try and ask the OS?
[21:50] <Guest70399>  want to split view html code as well as browser
[21:50] <daftykins> Guest70399: tried http://bfwiki.tellefsen.net/index.php/Manual_2_ToC ?
[21:50] <O_OniGiri> daftykins so after installation I should try to reboot again so suppose right and see if it works? afterwards install hdd again and reboot again to see if it works?
[21:50] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: that's right, and if it boots happily we can then setup /home on the HDD
[21:51] <O_OniGiri> daftykins I actually only wanted to use 30gb for /
[21:51] <O_OniGiri> and on the hdd I wanted to have 12gb swap 12gb /var and 200gb /home
[21:52] <Guest70399> daftykins,  doest say how,....thx anyhow
[21:52] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: keeping the swap on there will make things faster too, is it swap you want rid of?
[21:52] <O_OniGiri> I read that swap isn't really needed, therefore I wanted to have swap on my hdd
[21:53] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: that's fair enough, you could do the partitioner stage manually and select / only, then setup swap later too
[21:54] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: let's hope this method will work
[21:59] <lustic_> I cannot seem to figure out why my other distro will not boot after selecting it from the grub menu ?
[22:00] <chinkese> lustic_: what's your other distro
[22:00] <O_OniGiri> daftykins
[22:00] <Jordan_U> lustic_: Please pastebin the output of "sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/ && ls /mnt/boot/".
[22:00] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: ja?
[22:00] <lustic_> Kali linux,
[22:00] <O_OniGiri> daftykins do you have the guide for partitioning?
[22:01] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: all you have to do is select to create a single ext4 / partition
[22:01] <O_OniGiri> daftykins installation almost finished, where do I select what?
[22:01] <lustic_> jordan_U : http://paste.ubuntu.com/9752292/
[22:01] <Jordan_U> lustic_: Also, please use my full nick in your messages to me, or they won't be highlighted in my client. You can use your tab key to auto-complete nicknames.
[22:01] <chinkese> 肏你祖宗十八代
[22:02] <lustic_> jordan, i' dont exactly remember how too PM like that,
[22:02] <lustic_> your name then a semicolon ?
[22:02] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: way too late for that, it's way back at the 'select where to install' sort of stage
[22:02] <O_OniGiri> daftykins AHHH...  well I will just reinstall after I installed the hdd
[22:03] <Jordan_U> lustic_: There is no PM needed, just include my nick in your message. The normal convention is "nickname: Message goes here", but it doesn't really matter that much as long as the nick is in there somewhere.
[22:03] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: that won't help 'cause it'll be seen as sda again and the SSD as sdb ;)
[22:03] <O_OniGiri> daftykins so I will have to reinstall now?
[22:03] <lustic_> Jordan_U:  ahh i see tab makes it easy  http://paste.ubuntu.com/9752292/
[22:04] <Jordan_U> lustic_: Great. Please pastebin the output of "sudo update-grub" and the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[22:04] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: mmm just see if it boots off the SSD with only it plugged in right now, the rest can be resolved
[22:04] <O_OniGiri> daftykins still no bootable image found :(
[22:05] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: hang on lets consult the great master of booting...
[22:06] <daftykins> Jordan_U: have you encountered these HP systems that seem locked to booting from only the SSD in an SSD and HDD setup - plus all boot choices inside the EFI don't work, but a boot menu selection does? O_OniGiri seems to have a real challenge ahead
[22:07] <Jordan_U> daftykins: I don't think I've encountered this specifically before.
[22:07] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | O_OniGiri
[22:08] <lustic_> Jordan_U:  sudo update-grub = http://paste.ubuntu.com/9752311/     and contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg = http://paste.ubuntu.com/9752318/
[22:08] <Jordan_U> O_OniGiri: Please also pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr" (you can do this from an Ubuntu LiveDVD/USB).
[22:08] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U will do
[22:10] <Jordan_U> lustic_: Please pastebin your /etc/default/grub .
[22:11] <mojtaba> daftykins: It is booted in the EFI mode
[22:11] <lustic_> Jordan_U:  /etc/default/grub = http://paste.ubuntu.com/9752326/
[22:11] <daftykins> mojtaba: the USB installer originally was?
[22:11] <Jordan_U> lustic_: Right now your grub.cfg is configured to wait 10 seconds at a blank (purple) screen for you to press a key, and if you do the grub menu will be shown. Is that what you want?
[22:12] <mojtaba> daftykins:  I downloaded the 64bit version 14.04 LTS and made a bootable usb disk. (The booting screen is black)
[22:12] <lustic_> Jordan_U:  my grub menu works, I solved the issue with that, it now shows Ubuntu aswell as kali,  my issue now is kali appears to begin to boot and such and just ends up on a blank black scree,
[22:13] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U can i install my HDD btw?
[22:13] <Jordan_U> O_OniGiri: I haven't read all of the scrollback yet, but I think that should be fine.
[22:13] <hr9999> Hello. Is it possible to partition disks in a more precise way than MB (also, are these binary or decimal?) during installation? perhaps with the text-based installer?
[22:13] <daftykins> mojtaba: ok so it booted in EFI mode? can you start it up again and run a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "sudo parted -l | pastebinit" ?
[22:14] <eggbeater> hr9999: I don't think so
[22:14] <Jordan_U> lustic_: That sounds like a problem with Kali. Please ask in #kali-linux .
[22:14] <mojtaba> daftykins: Yes, so I should use live ubuntu? and run that command?
[22:14] <daftykins> mojtaba: yep
[22:14] <lustic_> Jordan_U: Yeah... No answer, : / but thanks : )
[22:15] <Jordan_U> hr9999: You don't want your partitions to be not MiB aligned, that will lead to horrible performance with modern hard drives.
[22:15] <hr9999> Jordan_U: okay, thought there might be something like that
[22:16] <hr9999> what is a bit confusing to me is why my swap partition changed from 8590MB to 8588
[22:16] <hr9999> perhaps some sectors went bad?
[22:17] <hr9999> still, 2MB, that might be reason for concern
[22:17] <mojtaba> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9752353
[22:17] <Jordan_U> hr9999: No, partitions don't change in size when sectors go bad. What do you mean by "changed" from when did it change?
[22:19] <hr9999> Jordan_U: I installed Xubuntu earlier and during installation allocated 8590MB of swap space (as close as possible to 8 binary GB in decimal MB)--I'm reinstalling, and I noticed that the partition is now 8588MB.
[22:23] <mojtaba> daftykins: Could you please tell me what should I do?
[22:23] <daftykins> mojtaba: yeah just been thinking about that paste. hmm bit of a weird setup, looks like it has a small SSD for cache.
[22:23] <Jordan_U> hr9999: I'm pretty sure that the installer uses Mibibytes rather than Megabytes. What is reporting that the partition is now "8588", and using what units?
[22:23] <mojtaba> daftykins: yes
[22:23] <hr9999> Jordan_U: MB
[22:24] <mojtaba> It is thinkpad T440S (The one without SSD)
[22:24] <hr9999> I partitioned from the installer
[22:24] <hr9999> and I just looked from the installer
[22:24] <hr9999> so it's the same units, I just don't know what those units are
[22:24] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: bootinfoscript RESULTS.txt: http://pastebin.com/XeWxJkDs, sudo efibootmgr: http://pastebin.com/AzT24J5X
[22:24] <hr9999> 1e6B or 2^20B
[22:25] <kostkon> hr9999, there's a wiki page just for that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[22:25] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: thanks for trying to help me :)
[22:25] <hr9999> kostkon: Thank you
[22:25] <hr9999> eh, maybe I just typed it wrong, who knows
[22:26] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: hang on that shows both disks again... you did try to boot with just the SSD in right?
[22:26] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: yeah, but Jordan_U told me it was fine again to install my HDD
[22:27] <daftykins> O_OniGiri: ah ok sorry, just wasn't following close enough
[22:27] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: Hopefully you can help me out, I have literally spend like 6 hours already trying to google :(
[22:27] <O_OniGiri> daftykins: no need to apologize, you already spend a lot time trying to help me :) thanks
[22:28] <mojtaba> daftykins: shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440s
[22:28] <daftykins> my pleasure
[22:29] <daftykins> mojtaba: i would maybe try reinstalling now that secure boot is back on - then share the exact error as and if/when it comes. so run the installer and delete the partition, then setup again
[22:29] <mojtaba> daftykins: sure. thanks
[22:30] <Jordan_U> O_OniGiri: I'm pretty busy with other things at the moment, so I may just drop out at any time. I should be back tomorrow if nothing else though.
[22:30] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: oh ok, no problem. Probably I will reinstall Windows in the meantime
[22:31] <Jordan_U> O_OniGiri: When you boot normally, what happens?  This should make sdb bootable as a removable drive (which shouldn't be needed, since you have the proper UEFI boot entry, but might help anyway).
[22:36] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: Afterwards reboot?
[22:36] <jafa> us.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be down via ipv6. responds to ipv4 and other country mirrors are working
[22:37] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: Getting following message in terminal: cp: cannot stat ‘/boot/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi’: No such file or directory
[22:38] <jafa> can't install ubuntu if I tell it to use US (default) download site
[22:38] <jafa> likewise can't update existing installs
[22:39] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: Could that error message be the problem? Incorrect UEFI installation?
[22:40] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: I do have all .efi files in the following directory: /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[22:45] <Jordan_U> O_OniGiri: Sorry, I just gave you the wrong path.
[22:45] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: So what do I have to do?
[22:45] <rocko> hello ubuntu woril
[22:45] <rocko> world
[22:46] <Jordan_U> O_OniGiri: sudo cp /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
[22:46] <O_OniGiri> Jordan_U: Afterwards reboot?
[22:46] <Jordan_U> O_OniGiri: Yes.
[22:46] <O_OniGiri> ok, brb
[22:46] <rocko> can anyone help me with a problem with ubuntu on a dell 670?   no internet connection found?
[22:48] <Turingi> hello is gpg --gen-key broken momentarily for ubuntu 13.04? gnome's Seahorse GUI also does not work
[22:48] <Turingi> gpg --gen-key stalls, asks for 'more entropy' once, then stalls after that