[05:20] <ikt> sunday arvo sunny day
[05:29] <ntrly_ow> nm on 10.04.1 keeps asling for wlan password even though it's correct. how do i fix this?
[05:30] <ntrly_ow> *asking
[05:33] <ntrly_ow> Atheros AR2413
[05:34] <ntrly_ow> nm-applet 0.8
[06:19] <ikt> ntrly_ow:
[06:19] <ntrly_ow> hi
[06:19] <ikt> heya :)
[06:19] <ntrly_ow> help
[06:19] <ntrly_ow> still buggered
[06:20] <ikt> are you able to update ubuntu 10.04 to the latest and see if that makes a difference?
[06:20] <ikt> iirc they're up to 10.04.4?
[06:20] <ikt> 10.04.3
[06:21] <ikt> is your mirror set to update from optus?
[06:21] <ntrly_ow> not my pc, helping a friend on the phone
[06:21] <ikt> oh
[06:21] <ntrly_ow> yeah |:
[06:22] <ikt> if worse comes to worse
[06:22] <ikt> switch over to wicd
[06:22] <ikt> and get rid of network manager
[06:22] <ntrly_ow> yeah
[06:22] <ikt> it may have been 10.04 that I had nm issues as well
[06:22] <ikt> wicd fixed everything
[06:22] <ikt> then in 10.10 nm worked again so I haven't bothered with wicd since then
[06:26] <ntrly_ow> dmesg says 'failed to wake up the mac chip'
[06:26] <ikt> sagaci_: seen this?
[06:26] <ikt> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-manual-project-oneiric/
[06:28] <ikt> it's a laptop?
[06:28] <ikt> acer aspire one?
[06:28] <ntrly_ow> desktop
[06:28] <ikt> hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[06:29] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/432353
[06:29] <ikt> I like how Mark Shuttleworth had this issue
[06:29] <ntrly_ow> Atheros AR2413
[06:29] <sagaci> ikt: no, I hadn't seen that
[06:30] <sagaci> but thanks... I'd probably only help if they coordinate their translations via lp
[06:30] <sagaci> hmm they do
[06:30] <ikt> nice :)
[06:31] <ikt> ntrly_ow: i can't see the status of the bug because kernel.org is down :(
[06:31] <ntrly_ow> 0o
[06:33] <ikt> ntrly_ow: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15382
[06:33] <gorilla> ewww.
[06:34] <ikt> get them to send you the logs and then submit a bug on lp i reckon
[06:36] <ikt> heh so many people with wireless problems
[06:37]  * ikt pats his cat6...
[06:37] <ntrly_ow> id keep an ethernet cable as a backup anyway
[06:38] <ntrly_ow> or just tell network mangler to bugger off
[06:38] <ntrly_ow> etc
[06:38] <ntrly_ow> waiting for my friend to call if it doesnt work
[06:38] <ntrly_ow> bbl
[06:43] <ikt> kk
[06:55]  * gorilla phone ikt's council to report the excess cats. Only two per household is allowed.
[07:47] <ikt> =o
[07:47] <ikt> http://imgur.com/3eree
[10:11] <gggs> hey guys, I want to create a secure fileserver, I need someone to tell me if it'd work;
[10:11] <gggs> start an ssh server for sftp only (disable shell access, chroot to ~/filehost/), use certificate-based auth only (or give accounts random passwords), and I control access by users generating their own ssh key & sending me the .pub key, and adding it manually. Would this work?
[10:13] <head_victim> gggs: I'm not really sure about that sort of thing, maybe try the mailing list? I know there's heaps more people who read that than are in the room right now
[10:16] <gggs> head_victim: It's probably quicker for me just to give it a go & try (or alternatively: an ftps server), I just wanted to see if someone here had any idea
[10:30] <jargonfactory> gggs: yo - ftps would probably be a good idea for a secure file server <- don quote me on this ;)
[10:33] <jargonfactory> hi folks \o.
[10:33] <gggs> jargonfactory: That's what thinking now too, but that involves a conventional user/pass auth instead of asymmetric keypairs
[10:37] <ntrly_ow> got it fixed
[10:38] <ntrly_ow> updated network manager related stuff by usb tethering phone and using mobile internet
[10:40] <jargonfactory> gggs: ftps with username/password seems fine to me - uses SSL AFAIK
[10:41] <jargonfactory> gggs: unless you want chrooted sftp which does pubkey auth :)
[10:42] <gggs> jargonfactory: Yea that was my first thought, it'd be more awesome but probably a lot more work too :)
[10:45] <gggs> and I guess using ftps means I can keep a conventional ssh server for LAN use, and the ftps for WAN
[10:48] <jargonfactory> gggs: you should be able to key-based auth with ftps (at least that's what this protftpd mod doc tells me) - http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/modules/mod_sftp.html
[10:59] <gggs> jargonfactory: hey you're right, "SFTPAuthorizedUserKeys"
[11:01] <gggs> not sure how many clients would support it
[11:02] <gggs> ftps sounds like a better option, I could even add something to the crontab that starts and kills the server at specific times
[17:12] <xannen> anyone awake?


[07:16] <uBUXUBu> good morning purveyors of goodwill
[07:18]  * benonsoftware waves to uBUXUBu
[14:20] <sheenzz> hey
[14:27] <AngelForget> lubuntu 12.04 is very fast compliment
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks AngelForget
[14:39] <AngelForget> MrChrisDruif,  but how come there are no updates...?
[14:40] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know, when did you install and when was the last update you've got?
[14:44] <AngelForget> MrChrisDruif, I just installed the 12.04 beta 2 but does not give me updates
[14:45] <MrChrisDruif> You've just installed the Beta2 (candidate) ISO?
[14:45] <AngelForget> yes
[14:45] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; ^ ?
[14:45] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know if there are new updates for that one yet, but phillw might know
[14:47] <AngelForget> Thanks MrChrisDruif
[14:47] <MrChrisDruif> Otherwise gilir (head of dev) should know, but he isn't around
[14:48] <phillw> AngelForget: if you're running 20120327 or the 20120327.1 (for desktop) you have the latest builds. There is a feature freeze in effect, so no updates are being launched.
[14:49] <phillw> but there are re-spins to fix critical bugs. (Such as a kernel crash / not able to partition etc.).
[14:49] <MrChrisDruif> To add to phillw; only bug-fixes could be send as updates
[14:52] <AngelForget>  phillw  i have the beta 2 desktop Lubuntu 12.04 precise,
[14:53] <AngelForget> phillw, then to solve the various bugs will be released in several future updates?
[14:54] <phillw> there will be a respin tonight and updates will then be available.
[14:56] <AngelForget> However, the 12.04 is very well done compared to 11.10 and is more stable much faster
[14:57] <MrChrisDruif> It's always good to hear positive news about the development release. Thanks again AngelForget ^_^
[15:08] <phillw> AngelForget: lubuntu has more testers this cycle, so we have been able to get bugs reported quickly thus allowing devs to spend time fixing instead of testing :)
[15:10] <ikonia> have you never had official testers before ?
[15:10] <ikonia> I'm shocked, the quality of release has been as high as it has if you've not had testers
[15:11] <MrChrisDruif> ikonia; the devs were also testers (yikes!)
[15:13] <AngelForget> phillw,  Lubuntu 12.04 Beta 2 has many bugs as I see
[15:13] <MrChrisDruif> AngelForget; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs
[15:16] <ikonia> MrChrisDruif: impressive that it's been of a such a high quality then
[15:16] <MrChrisDruif> ikonia; indeed. But you know the saying "Think twice, build once"
[15:17] <phillw> ikonia: more impressive is the mac guys who basically joined 2 days before beta 1 and have learned all about iso tracker :)
[15:17] <MrChrisDruif> (cut once, but you get the idea)
[15:18] <phillw> AngelForget: fortunately not too many critical ones.
[15:20] <AngelForget> phillw, I was very surprised by the speed of writing and the new fonts and icons. I had never tried a vers. beta so well structured
[15:22] <phillw> AngelForget: Raphael, our art guy, pulled the rabbit out of the magicians hat to sqiush that bug!
[15:25] <AngelForget> Not else to say but just do indeed many many congratulations to all the staff of programming that Lubuntu 12.04
[15:26] <phillw> AngelForget: if you're interested in helping with the testing, please feel free to join https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa have a mailing list on there where we can discuss stuff without flooding the main list.
[15:28] <AngelForget> phillw,  thanks i I immediately sign up
[15:30] <phillw> AngelForget: approved
[15:31] <AngelForget> more and more thanks phillw
[15:32] <phillw> our thanks to you, testers are always welcome.
[15:41] <AngelForget> I must go, I greet you all of the chan and even a super thank you phillw
[17:45] <sva> hey - i am using lubuntu sometimes on 2 screens (laptop + external). i am using the "monitor settings" to start the second screen and than ARAndrR to adjust
[17:46] <sva> but it seems it is just possible wo make one big screen out of those 2
[17:47] <sva> but this is not what i want, as the size is different. so at the laptop screen there is always one of the panels disapperaring (it is in that part of the big virtual screen that doesnt have an real existing screen
[17:48] <sva> what i want (as it has been in ubuntu): one screen is primary, one secondary. both having their panels where they belong :)
[18:16] <smile4ever> bye! :)
[18:26] <pcroque> sva: I don't think lxpanel works well with two screens. I finally switched to tint2, which works great with two screens.
[18:27]  * sva asks google for tint2
[18:27] <sva> :)
[18:28] <bioterror> in tint2 you can also have "launchers"
[18:28] <sva> looks good on the first look, thanks a lot
[18:28] <bioterror> and make it open lxmenu :D
[18:28] <pcroque> Actually, I have tint2 running for the task switcher, and a short lxpanel running for menu, tray, etc.
[18:28] <sva> bioterror: what is launchers in this context?
[18:28] <bioterror> but it's a little bit tricky
[18:29] <bioterror> sva, just a moment
[18:29] <bioterror> sva, http://ricecows.org/launcher.png
[18:29] <bioterror> those icons in the bottom left corner
[18:30] <sva> ah! okay, i already have them in the lxpanel
[18:31] <bioterror> ofcourse you have them in lxpanel ;)
[18:31] <sva> but I dont think that tne panel is the problem - the problem is, that the ARandR doesnt make 2 screens
[18:31] <sva> but 1 virtual screen with an expanded panel
[18:31] <sva> that is invisible on the smaller screen
[18:32] <bioterror> wish I got a dime every time I hear Xorg + two displays gives headache
[18:32] <bioterror> I could quit my daily job and just read irc screen ;)
[18:32] <sva> bioterror: :D
[18:32] <sva> but it worked so well with ubuntu!!1!
[18:32] <sva> :)
[18:32] <bioterror> technically there should be no difference between lubuntu and ubuntu
[18:32] <bioterror> except how panels works
[18:33] <sva> no but the gui for monitor settings are totally different
[18:34] <sva> sorry i am not so deep into that stuff. i just know that it looked different and it did different things ;)
[18:34] <sva> in lubuntu you can (native) just say "second screen on/off" but no adjusting. thats why i installed this ARandR thing
[18:35] <sva> in ubuntu there was already (native) an adjusting thing. setting primary screens and so on
[18:36] <bioterror> http://linuxconfig.net/wp-content/gallery/ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/system_settings_v1-2-2.png
[18:36] <bioterror> something like that?
[18:37] <sva> yes, not that fancy, but nearly :)
[18:39] <bioterror> I'm going to promise to check this dual screen thing next week
[18:39] <bioterror> when I get time to move some files and install lubuntu and plug into my display and play with it
[18:40] <sva> are you developing as well?
[18:40] <bioterror> nope, but then I can answer easier
[18:40] <bioterror> :D
[18:40] <sva> :D
[18:41] <sva> thats really nice. i'll keep you updated if i find anything new. but atm i made kind of a workaround by re-organising the panel, so that the corner that isnt seen doesn have any important things
[18:42] <bioterror> my desktop computer is nowdays connected to tv, so I have my monitor hanging without use
[18:43] <sva> and i will have a look on that tint2 anyway
[18:43] <bioterror> oh well
[18:43] <bioterror> I could just copy all the files to my router and install lubuntu
[18:43] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:43] <bioterror> and grab them from there
[18:43] <sva> doesnt make any difference if it is an tv or an monitor, does it?
[18:44] <sva> why are you hangig around here without having lubuntu installed, if i am allowed to ask? :D
[18:45] <bioterror> becouse my computers seems to break down and I have few different systems installed
[18:47] <sva> bioterror: hehe, was the same with mine, so i choosed lubuntu instead of ubuntu
[18:48] <sva> but actually i am not quite sure to keep it. i mean, its not _that_ faster and also i hoped for longer battery power (that seems to be a kernel thing)
[18:49] <sva> and i am installing and installing stuff that is missing - so i am not sure if my user-behaviour fits the lubuntu-philosophie ;)
[18:49] <bioterror> you have a decent laptop?
[18:49] <sva> yes! thinkpad, sure thing :)
[18:50] <bioterror> it's harder to see the difference then
[18:50] <sva> but already some years old - but i dont like that new levono stuff. and it fits for me. most of the things i do is per "screen" on a server.
[18:51] <sva> so its just a terminal with webbrowser, actually
[18:51] <bioterror> mostly yes


[15:54] <ricotz> mdeslaur, hi, maybe you could push a no-change rebuild of handbrake for ffmpeg-transition


[04:36] <theimortal1974> is anybody here using ubuntu unity on a chromebook?
[04:37] <theimortal1974> or can tell me if i can get a browser other than chrome on unity and an arm processor.  the main reason why i converted my chromebook to linux is so i don't have to use that pos google chrome browser.
[04:41] <RAOF> You should be able to use Firefox or whatever you want from the archives.
[04:43] <theimortal1974> that would be great.  i fricking hate google chrome.
[04:43] <theimortal1974> the reason why i'm asking is i'm away from my chromebook and i left it downloading and installing ubuntu unity so i haven't had a chance to use it and i won't for another hour
[04:44] <theimortal1974> i love the extensions google chrome has that no other browser has but the browser sucks otherwise.  not surprising that a os built around it would suck at times as well.
[04:46] <theimortal1974> i was surprised how easy it was to get ubuntu on the device.  i thought i read one time that i had to unscrew something that has a sticker over it that breaks your warranty if you remove it.  it's past warrenty anyway.
[04:47] <theimortal1974> i haven't had much luck with linux in the past but that was because i was trying to replace windows.  that's not what i'm trying to do now.  just to replace having to use google chrome
[04:47] <theimortal1974> and the crap os with it
[04:47] <RAOF> IIRC that's to install an unsigned image. We can't sign Ubuntu images because we don't have Google's key :)
[04:49] <theimortal1974> i know that opera has a linux arm based version and that's my favorite browser.
[04:51] <theimortal1974> does opera for linux have the same addon capabilities as the windows version?
[04:52] <theimortal1974> either way just being able to use something other than chrome has majorly increased my chromebook's value.
[05:02] <theimortal1974> thanks for your help raof
[08:51] <tsdgeos> cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/borderSourceRegression/+merge/258883 ?
[08:58] <pstolowski> mzanetti, tsdgeos hey, ubuntu/landing-033 is ready for testing. review-editing works fine. let me know if you're happy about the other unity8 changes there
[08:58]  * tsdgeos checks what's in 33
[08:59] <pstolowski> mzanetti, tsdgeos however if you try to install this silo, see my comment in the sheet
[09:00] <tsdgeos> that's weird
[09:02] <mzanetti> pstolowski, already installed it on my device.
[09:03] <mzanetti> pstolowski, I'm afraid I can't do reviews at all
[09:03] <mzanetti> yeah... no review box showing up here
[09:04] <mzanetti> oh, and yes, my unity is from the ppa too :/
[09:08] <pstolowski> mzanetti, yeah, that's the issue :)
[09:08] <pstolowski> mzanetti, the old version doesn't understand the new widget
[09:09] <cimi> tsdgeos, I was having a look already
[09:11] <tsdgeos> cimi: :)
[09:27] <mzanetti> yay! updated a review in the store
[09:27] <mzanetti> this is nice
[09:29] <cimi> we can finally vote 1 star for feature requests!
[10:38] <mzanetti> dednick, https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/fix-autopilot-failures-1446846/+merge/258411/comments/646815
[10:40] <mzanetti> pstolowski, hey, have you ran autopilot tests on the silo?
[10:40] <mzanetti> pstolowski, I have 42 failures...
[10:40] <mzanetti> might be "I'm using it wrong"
[10:42] <tsdgeos> dednick: ping
[10:42] <dednick> tsdgeos: yo
[10:42] <dednick> mzanetti: looking now
[10:42] <pstolowski> mzanetti, no, i haven't, i'm not even sure how, haven't been running it for very long time
[10:43] <tsdgeos> dednick: what are you using for scrub bar? because i also need one so i guess we have to use the same one :D
[10:43] <dednick> tsdgeos: slider.
[10:43] <tsdgeos> dednick: +texts?
[10:43] <dednick> tsdgeos: you doing the audio bit of the same document?
[10:43] <tsdgeos> for currenttime/totallength
[10:43] <tsdgeos> dednick: "yes"
[10:44] <tsdgeos> not sure which document you mean :D
[10:44] <pstolowski> mzanetti, can you spot anythine click scope / review related in the failed tests?
[10:44] <dednick> tsdgeos: https://youtu.be/LKkAL1AEam8
[10:44] <dednick> tsdgeos: sorry, wrong link ;)
[10:44] <dednick> tsdgeos: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iftJ0_Ypw4Hv2n3LO8kiOM7WSfAlQlImHHEPPPIlu_U/edit#
[10:44] <dednick> was looking for a streaming example on youtube to test :)
[10:44] <tsdgeos> dednick: kind of yes
[10:44] <tsdgeos> dednick: i'm doing audio card support in the dash
[10:45] <dednick> tsdgeos: give me a minute. i'll upload my work.
[10:45] <mzanetti> pstolowski, I think it's my setup... there really shouldn't be so many failing... just asked in the hope you had them pass already so I wouldn't need to do
[10:45] <tsdgeos> that you could say it's similar to what "Audio Preview (Audio not started/ paused)" section is
[10:47] <dednick> tsdgeos: lp:~nick-dedekind/unity8/inline-video-preview
[10:47] <tsdgeos> k, let me see
[10:47] <dednick> tsdgeos: make tryPreviewInlineVideo
[10:47] <dednick> tsdgeos: although you'll need to change some values to some local content
[10:48] <dednick> i haven't got around to mocking shizzle yet.
[10:50] <tsdgeos> meh i need the overlay ppa?
[10:50] <tsdgeos> dednick: ↑ ?
[10:51] <dednick> tsdgeos: erm. i based it on the rotation branch
[10:51] <tsdgeos> it complains about unity-shell-application here
[10:52] <dednick> tsdgeos: eh. give me a minute. i don't think it actually requires the rotaion stuff yet.
[10:52] <tsdgeos> dednick: i think i've hacked it to work
[10:53] <dednick> tsdgeos: you can probably just merge the last revision into trunk
[10:53] <tsdgeos> k :)
[11:06] <tsdgeos> meh i still need the overlay ppa
[11:06] <tsdgeos> can somoene past the apt url?
[11:08] <tsdgeos> got it
[11:08] <tsdgeos> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[11:30] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, you around?
[12:32] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: now
[12:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, just finished the meeting :)
[12:32] <tsdgeos> sorry :/
[12:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, but I was able to handle it, no prob
[12:33] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, one question which I think the answer is yes, but I'd like to confirm with you first:
[12:33] <mzanetti> can we open a preview and scroll to the commenting/rating section automatically?
[12:33] <mzanetti> I guess we know the position, but it's quite async which might cause troubles
[12:33] <mzanetti> i.e. we might know the position only after the code to scroll has been triggered and such things
[12:34] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it's tricky basically because we have no idea of what things are
[12:34] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, we should know about the widget-type, right?
[12:34] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: well but there's not just one per preview
[12:34] <tsdgeos> there's N
[12:35] <tsdgeos> besides scrolling to the preview directly is kind of weird, we're skipping the app name/images?
[12:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, not sure if having multiple rating-input-widgets is really a use case. might be enough to scroll to the first of them
[12:36] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, the idea is to have a "comment" button on the card which directly takes you to the commenting stuff in the preview
[12:36] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, patrici__ is just exploring this, not decided yet. I said I want to check with you first if the scrolling is feasible at all
[12:37] <tsdgeos> i guess it's doable
[12:37] <mzanetti> ack. I'll let her know, noting the possible issues (async building of the preview)
[12:38] <patrici__> mzanetti, tsdgeos: the idea is that on tap of the 'comment' icon, user is taken to card preview. The screen is anchored to the ‘comment widget’ although it remains scrollable.  The OSK is also displayed.
[12:39] <patrici__> 'doable' sounds brilliant to me ;))
[12:39] <mzanetti> patrici__, yeah... Please note that the preview page might be slow to build up (network interaction involved) which might make it look jumpy and odd during the time it's loaded
[12:40] <patrici__> mzanetti: mmm... we'll need to consider that for sure, we can test it first
[12:47] <tsdgeos> dednick: i totally want to use your scrubbar but you have lots of logic into it which i don't really need
[12:48] <dednick> tsdgeos: yeah, but you can at least leach it out. :)
[12:48] <dednick> tsdgeos: i'll probably sort out the encapsulation later.
[12:49] <tsdgeos> i guess i can just copy it for now and see if we can just refactor it later yeah
[13:02] <mzanetti> dednick, hey, can you drop that whitespace please so I can rebuild the silo
[13:02] <dednick> mzanetti: sorry, got distracted. give me a minute
[13:05] <dednick> mzanetti: done
[13:06] <mzanetti> thanks
[13:19] <sil2100> seb128: hey! Could I ask you for a packaging review of compiz in the train? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/compiz_packaging_changes.diff <- this packaging change needs approval
[13:29] <seb128> sil2100, seems fine to me
[13:41] <sil2100> seb128: thanks :)
[14:28] <mzanetti> dandrader, ok... I verified that your fix is not yet on my device
[14:28] <mzanetti> dandrader, I'll try again once I get that update
[14:28] <mzanetti> erm... or actually
[14:28] <mzanetti> I'm confused
[14:29] <mzanetti> dandrader, no... I do have it
[14:29] <mzanetti> dandrader, it was merged at revision 332, then 0.4.4+15.04.20150511.1-0ubuntu1 was released at rev 337
[14:29] <mzanetti> I have that version installed, still crashing
[14:30] <dandrader> mzanetti, maybe be a closely related, but different crash
[14:32] <mzanetti> pstolowski_, I've tested silo 33. seems ok to me
[14:33] <pstolowski_> mzanetti, ok, thanks! i'll mark it tested once I get my MP approved
[14:33] <mzanetti> pstolowski_, cool
[14:39] <mzanetti> dandrader, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=unity8
[14:40] <mzanetti> dandrader, currently releasing 33, next one is 30
[14:45] <dandrader> mzanetti, and shellRotation?
[14:46] <mzanetti> dandrader, got green light for that immediately after OTA-4 is out
[16:28] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk, when you have some lazy minute, can you resolve the conflict here please? ~dandrader/qtmir/supportedOrientations.
[17:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, done
[17:37] <mzanetti> ta