[13:12] <horus87> Hello everyone, I'd like to be a kernel developer and I'd like to contribute to opensource projects as ubuntu.
[13:12] <horus87> I read the kernel development guide from kernel.org and i'd like to start my contribute with patching.
[13:12] <horus87> As suggest in many documentations on internet the simplest way is send a patch to clean the style of code in drivers/staging directory.
[13:12] <horus87> I cloned the repo https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/staging.git/ and I'd like to start the cleaning of code. This is the right way?
[19:28] <JanC> horus87: did you see https://kernelnewbies.org/ ?
[19:32] <Phibs> /w 18


[11:12] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, ping
[11:13] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, please use #ubuntu-desktop, as the desktop team are going to be gradually taking firefox
[11:13] <chrisccoulson> we should probably just retire this channel


[00:03] <boolka> just installed 8.04  on laptop, it only uses 3/4 of the screen? Is there any way to fix it?
[00:04] <TheSheep> boolka: most possibly it thinks you have some smaller monitor connected
[00:04] <TheSheep> boolka: and scales the panels to fit in that monitor
[00:04] <boolka> ok
[00:04] <boolka> how do i fix it?
[00:05] <TheSheep> what outputs does the 'xrandr' command list?
[00:05] <boolka> sec
[00:07] <TheSheep> if it lists something like 'TVOUT', you can do 'xrandr --output TVOUT --off' and see if it helps
[00:07] <boolka2> TheSheep:  can i msg you the paste?
[00:07] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[00:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[00:08] <boolka2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64292/
[00:09] <zut> Why does the Xubuntu site say that the new 8.10 release is supported until 2012 (i.e. 4 years)? I thought LTS versions are only supported for 3 years?
[00:09] <TheSheep> boolka2: do you have anything connected to the vga-0? an external monitor screen?
[00:10] <boolka2> yes
[00:10] <boolka2> my backlight is broken and thats the only way i could see
[00:10] <boolka2> brb
[00:10] <TheSheep> boolka2: then disable the laptop's screen
[00:11] <TheSheep> boolka2: with 'xrandr --output LVDS --off'
[00:12] <TheSheep> you can also disable it in xorg.conf, but I'm not sure how, there are some posts on the forum about that
[00:14] <PsynoKhi0> is brasero 0.6.1 reknown for not properly verifying disc integrity?
[00:14] <TheSheep> no idea, you could search the bugs
[00:15] <PsynoKhi0> found this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/198030 but input varies
[00:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198030 in brasero "brasero does not check disc integrity right" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[00:16] <vidd> anyone know how to format a hard drive via live cd so i can boot and add the drive to my system?
[00:17] <TheSheep> vidd: there is no gparted on the livecd?
[00:17] <vidd> when i ran gparted from tty, it was all messed up
[00:17] <TheSheep> fun
[00:18] <TheSheep> you can always run mkfs.whatever
[00:23] <vidd> TheSheep, what i want to do is remove all the partitions on /dev/hdc and make it on 80gig partition
[00:24] <TheSheep> vidd: use fdisk then
[00:24] <TheSheep> fdisk /dev/hdc
[00:24] <TheSheep> vidd: note that it doesn't format, it only creates partitions
[00:25] <boolka2> TheSheep: thanks, it worked. Do i have to do it every time I connect it to external monitor?
[00:25] <boolka2> and what does LVDs stand for?
[00:25] <TheSheep> LVDS is the laptop's built-in LCD screen
[00:25] <ere4si> parted is the command line version of gparted - it will gormat - man parted for help
[00:26] <ere4si> *format
[00:26] <boolka2> Ah i see
[00:26] <TheSheep> boolka2: you can disable LVDS in xorg.conf, just every graphics card driver uses different options for that
[00:26] <boolka2> TheSheep:  how do i go about activating the svideo?
[00:27] <TheSheep> boolka2: I have an intel card and I had to disable my tvout, because it thought it is connected and wans't using the whole screen
[00:27] <TheSheep> boolka2: connect something to svideo and do 'xrandr --output S-video --auto'
[00:28] <boolka2> I got an ati mobility radeon 9200
[00:28] <boolka2> okay let me try
[00:28] <TheSheep> boolka2: no idea about atis
[00:32] <KiFka> :D
[00:32] <KiFka> hallo
[00:32] <TheSheep> hello KiFka
[00:34] <boolka> how to switch back from svideo TheSheep
[00:34] <boolka> ?
[00:35] <TheSheep> just disable it with -off
[00:35] <TheSheep> --off
[00:35] <TheSheep> and enable others with --auto
[00:38] <boolka> hmm
[00:38] <boolka> well it didnt work
[00:39] <boolka> nothing appeared on my tv
[00:39] <TheSheep> does the 'xrandr' show S-video connected?
[00:39] <boolka> i cant check
[00:40] <TheSheep> ?
[00:40] <boolka> when i turn on svideo , my monitor shuts off
[00:40] <TheSheep> that's weird
[00:40] <boolka> nothing appears on tv
[00:41] <TheSheep> it should display on all outputs simultaneusly just fine :/
[00:41] <boolka> svideo and vga?
[00:41] <TheSheep> yeah
[00:41] <TheSheep> maybe this is something specific to your card or driver
[00:41] <TheSheep> but then it should at least display something on the tv
[00:42] <TheSheep> gotta go to bed, good luck with that, alt+ctrl+backspace restarts X in case you mess somehting
[00:43] <boolka> thanks
[00:43] <boolka> gn
[01:07] <PsynoKhi0> nite
[01:51] <apathetic-> Hello, I cannot find xinitrc in my home directory in xubuntu, is it supposed to be missing?
[02:17] <flowbot> anyone using xubuntu able to use Revelation Password Manager successfully?
[02:18] <flowbot> or hydrogen drum machine?
[02:51] <manuel__> so 8.04 is not out yet??
[02:52] <Odd-rationale> manuel__: yes!
[02:52] <manuel__> Odd-rationale: Xubuntu too?
[02:52] <Odd-rationale> manuel__: yes!!
[02:52] <manuel__> I can't find the link though
[02:52] <manuel__> just Ubuntu
[02:52] <Stroganoff> yes but update servers are swamped
[02:52] <manuel__> my bad
[02:52] <Stroganoff> http://xubuntu.org/get
[02:53] <manuel__> I was looking in ubuntu.com :D
[02:53] <manuel__> I'm planning on switching to xubuntu , good idea?
[02:53] <Stroganoff> yes. download the torrent
[02:53] <manuel__> I will
[02:54] <xjden> i has problem
[02:54] <Stroganoff> i has bucket
[02:54] <xjden> lol
[02:54] <xjden> seriously
[02:54] <Stroganoff> ^_^
[02:55] <manuel__> I already have ubuntu 8.04 installed ... is there a difference in installing a clean xubuntu install or just adding xfce?
[02:55] <xjden> last night i *tried* to install xfce 4.4.2... (upgrading from 4.4.1)... im CURRENTLY on 7.10 (very soon to upgrade to 8.04 if all is ok).... however it errored half way through the installation... with an error saying alsa is missing... but its not >.< and now i can only do half the stuff i need to in xubuntu
[02:56] <xjden> what i need to know... is:
[02:56] <xjden> what version of xfce does 8.04 come with?
[02:56] <xjden> and if installing 8.04 will correct xfce again
[02:56] <MiKa^> 4.4.2
[02:56] <xjden> or if i have to do that first
[02:58] <xjden> well... ill hit upgrade and see what happens... thats all i wanted to know ^_^
[02:58] <xjden> ...it didnt say on xubuntu.org that i could see
[02:58] <homebrewcider> hey there, every time I log in I get a "brown" desktop background (sounds strange I know) with none of my icons. I have to go Applications>settings>desktop settings and click "allow xfce to manage the desktop" every time to get my wallpaper and icons back. Can someone help please
[02:58] <manuel__> can someone say besides resources, why xubuntu is better than ubuntu ?
[02:59] <xjden> i have tried all 3 (x, u and k) and i like Xubuntu the best
[02:59] <manuel__> homebrewcider: I had that problem too when I tried xfce yesterday
[02:59] <xjden> its easier to use (i think)
[02:59] <xjden> its simpler
[02:59] <Stroganoff> homebrewcider, login, enable your desktop, logout with "save this session"
[02:59] <homebrewcider> ah ok
[02:59] <homebrewcider> thanks for the envy tip the other day stroganoff
[02:59] <manuel__> xjden: what about ati driver problems, is it the same?
[02:59] <homebrewcider> worked a treat
[03:00] <Stroganoff> glad to now
[03:00] <Stroganoff> uninstall the driver before upgrading to hardy
[03:00] <homebrewcider> could not have been simpler to implement
[03:00] <homebrewcider> trying the save session tip now
[03:01] <Stroganoff> manuel__ its faster and it got mice
[03:01] <manuel__> can you name some other good apt based distros?
[03:01] <manuel__> Stroganoff: yeah the mice are nice
[03:01] <Stroganoff> linux mint, manuel__
[03:01] <manuel__> Stroganoff: that's basically ubuntu though
[03:01] <Stroganoff> yep ;)
[03:01] <Stroganoff> debian or sidux then
[03:01] <homebrewcider> nope, the save session box was checked but had the same problem
[03:02] <Stroganoff> add xfdesktop to your startup items, homebrewcider
[03:02] <manuel__> Stroganoff: I've always been curious about debian
[03:02] <homebrewcider> ah ok
[03:02] <manuel__> Stroganoff: is it more mature than ubuntu?
[03:03] <Stroganoff> no
[03:03] <Stroganoff> ubuntu is the best you can get in most ways
[03:03] <manuel__> I'm just sick that the ati restricted drivers never work. .. I was so optimistic with the coming of hardy
[03:04] <Stroganoff> manuel__ they work for some people ;)
[03:04] <manuel__> the minority
[03:04] <manuel__> How about fedora?
[03:05] <Stroganoff> they are doing some nice work as well
[03:05] <manuel__> do you know if i can upgrade online to the next version like ubuntu does?
[03:06] <Stroganoff> you can
[03:06] <Stroganoff> try this for installing ati drivers in ubuntu: http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[03:07] <manuel__> Yep, I've done it
[03:07] <manuel__> what happened was that instead of opening gnome correctly, it gave me a white screen
[03:07] <Stroganoff> change DefaultDepth
[03:08] <manuel__> how?
[03:09] <Stroganoff> sudo nano /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[03:09] <Stroganoff> change DefaultDepth to 16
[03:09] <Stroganoff> just guessing...
[03:10] <homebrewcider> mmm, under Applications>settings>sessions and startup settings, I have "automatically save session on logout" checked, but I still have the same problem on logout, is ther a config file i can check?
[03:10] <homebrewcider> on login I mean
[03:11] <manuel__> Stroganoff: would you believe me that, my xorg.conf is empty???
[03:11] <Stroganoff> you could delete the cache files at ~/.config/ somewhere (i dont use xfce session manager)
[03:11] <Stroganoff> manuel__ big X.. Xorg.conf
[03:11] <manuel__> yes, Xorg.conf
[03:12] <manuel__> is completely empty
[03:12] <Stroganoff> manuel__ always use [TAB] for auto completion in terminal
[03:12] <manuel__> :o
[03:12] <manuel__> I always do
[03:12] <Stroganoff> X wouldnt start a white screen with an empty config file
[03:12] <manuel__> oh
[03:12] <manuel__> in ubuntu is xorg not Xorg
[03:14] <Stroganoff> oops ;)
[03:14] <Stroganoff> so you didnt use tab :p
[03:19] <manuel__> Stroganoff: no, I blindly trusted you
[03:19] <manuel__> And why exactly a depth of 16?
[03:20] <Stroganoff> manuel__ because theres 24 and 16
[03:20] <Stroganoff> 24 doesnt work, so try 16
[03:21] <manuel__> Ok put 16
[03:21] <manuel__> should I try the restricted manager or envy now ? Stroganoff?
[03:21] <Stroganoff> i dont know
[03:22] <Stroganoff> installing a driver might reset the defaultdepth, so double-check after installing each driver
[03:22] <Stroganoff> or google ubuntu + your ati card.
[03:24] <manuel__> Here I go, with the will of god
[03:35] <owen1> how do i run apps on startup? i am trying to use the gui but it's not working. can i do it in terminal?
[03:35] <owen1> (or scripts)
[03:35] <HACKhalo2> what version are you running? 7.10 or 8.04?
[03:37] <owen1> i have two machines, one with 7 and one with 8.
[03:38] <owen1> HACKhalo2: it will be nice to learn the command line so if the UI changes i'll know how to do it.
[03:38] <HACKhalo2> well, im not sure on 7, but in 8
[03:39] <owen1> autostart applications?
[03:39] <HACKhalo2> well, i used the settings manager when i wanted to run the xscreensaver deamon
[03:40] <HACKhalo2> basically, applications/Settings/Settings Manager/Autostarted apps
[03:41] <HACKhalo2> click "+Add"
[03:41] <owen1> when i run this command from terminal it's work - sudo syndaemon -i 1 -d
[03:41] <HACKhalo2> Type in the name of the app, the discription, and the terminal command
[03:41] <owen1> but when i add it to autostart apps it's not running after logout.
[03:42] <HACKhalo2> oh
[03:42] <owen1> HACKhalo2: what is the name of the app. do i need to create a script?
[03:42] <HACKhalo2> the name is whatever you call it
[03:43] <HACKhalo2> it could be called Bob for all Linux cares
[03:43] <owen1> so does it have to be a script file?
[03:43] <HACKhalo2> no
[03:43] <HACKhalo2> i used a command
[03:43] <HACKhalo2> it could be a script file, but im not that advanced
[03:44] <owen1> that's what i did - in the name i wrote something random and in the command i wrote "sudo syndaemon -i 1 -d"
[03:44] <owen1> but it doesn't work.
[03:44] <HACKhalo2> does syndaemon need to be sudo?
[03:44] <owen1> mmm ne
[03:44] <owen1> no, let me try...!
[03:45] <HACKhalo2> minus qoutes ftw
[03:46] <LukeL> torrent.ubuntu.com is really taking a long time to do my requests
[03:46] <HACKhalo2> i know
[03:46] <LukeL> anyone have a direct link to the xubuntu 8.04 desktop torrent?
[03:46] <HACKhalo2> give it time
[03:46] <HACKhalo2> i did...
[03:46] <HACKhalo2> i'm working on getting the altCD fo i can upgrade offline
[03:46] <LukeL> ah
[03:47] <HACKhalo2> because my router is a pos and won't let my lappy online
[03:47] <LukeL> there we go, got it
[03:47] <owen1> HACKhalo2: thanks. it worked.
[03:47] <HACKhalo2> np
[03:47] <HACKhalo2> now i got my own question
[03:47] <owen1> you little hacker (-:
[03:48] <owen1> shoot
[03:48] <LukeL> so, anyone know if there is a DVD release for xubuntu like kubuntu/ubuntu?
[03:48] <HACKhalo2> how do i download files for Linux on winderz?
[03:48] <owen1> u want to use windows apps?
[03:49] <HACKhalo2> because of said problem, i can't get the openGL plugins for Linux
[03:51] <HACKhalo2> im looking for the Python OpenGL and Python GTKGLExt files
[03:52] <owen1> ahhhmm. not sure i know this stuff.
[03:53] <HACKhalo2> because all i need is the tarballs
[03:53] <HACKhalo2> after that, i can burn it to a CD and install from there
[04:05] <n000b> hey guys?
[04:05] <n000b> anyone active?
[04:05] <HACKhalo2> me
[04:05] <n000b> hey
[04:05] <HACKhalo2> hey
[04:05] <n000b> can i ask you a queston
[04:05] <HACKhalo2> shoot
[04:06] <owen1> n000b: go for it
[04:06] <n000b> what is the advantage of xubuntu over other ubuntu sub-distros
[04:06] <HACKhalo2> xubuntu is lighter
[04:06] <n000b> and over ubuntu
[04:06] <n000b> lighter how?
[04:06] <owen1> n000b: i just swicth....it's fast!
[04:06] <HACKhalo2> since it's based on the XFCE interface
[04:06] <n000b> why is it faster?
[04:07] <owen1> n000b: they choose light-wieght apps for everything.
[04:07] <n000b> light weight usually means less options, right?
[04:07] <owen1> n000b: and it was built from scratch for performance.
[04:07] <n000b> les features
[04:07] <owen1> n000b: not always, but sometimes yes.
[04:07] <HACKhalo2> not really
[04:08] <Jasone> anyone gotten remote desktop goin
[04:08] <HACKhalo2> the OS's are compairable
[04:08] <owen1> n000b: i don't see the difference from ubuntu.
[04:08] <HACKhalo2> but xubuntu beats ubuntu in speed
[04:08] <n000b> owen1: have you tried out all the apps again since your installation
[04:09] <n000b> HACKhalo2: have you noticed any differences in the apps?
[04:09] <owen1> Jasone: wait for 8.04. they added vinagre. great app.
[04:09] <HACKhalo2> i couldn't install ubuntu
[04:09] <HACKhalo2> my lappy's to old
[04:09] <owen1> n000b: i don't understand the question.
[04:09] <HACKhalo2> 8.04 got released already
[04:09] <n000b> hackhalo2: was your system too slow
[04:09] <owen1> HACKhalo2: true. got it.
[04:09] <Jasone> owen1 i have 8.04
[04:10] <n000b> ubuntu 8.04 has been released?
[04:10] <Jasone> i cant get remote desktop goin
[04:10] <Jasone> on xubuntu
[04:10] <HACKhalo2> it's running a Intel Celloron processor
[04:10] <owen1> Jasone: r u trying to connect to remote machine?
[04:10] <owen1> n000b: yes.
[04:10] <HACKhalo2> it's really slow
[04:10] <Jasone> im trying to bake xubuntu a vnc sever
[04:10] <owen1> n000b: the servers are busy. wait a few days.
[04:10] <n000b> owen1: i have an older version CD. will ubuntu automatically update me like windows does?
[04:11] <Jasone> lol bake it a server...
[04:11] <owen1> n000b: what version?
[04:11] <n000b> owen1: 7.04
[04:11] <HACKhalo2> no
[04:11] <owen1> n000b: yes. i had it as well.
[04:11] <HACKhalo2> im not sure about the altCD though
[04:11] <n000b> owen1: and it automatically updated it?
[04:12] <HACKhalo2> 7.04 to 8.04?
[04:12] <owen1> n000b: u'll see a button (today) that say - upgrade.
[04:12] <n000b> ok thanks
[04:12] <owen1> owen1: my wife's laptop didn't see it yet. but I did.
[04:13] <darthanubis> where is this "upgrade button"?
[04:13] <Jasone> the guides made to get xubuntu going sharing its desktop dont seem to work
[04:13] <owen1> n000b: xubuntu is like ubuntu but awesome.
[04:13] <HACKhalo2> it's in the update manager
[04:14] <n000b> owen1: im afraid of loosing features
[04:14] <darthanubis> I don't have the update manager on my system anymore
[04:14] <gopp> does anyone know if wubi works with external usb
[04:14] <owen1> n000b: like what?
[04:14] <darthanubis> the last update removed it
[04:14] <darthanubis> lol
[04:14] <n000b> owen: like anything
[04:14] <n000b> owen1: like anything
[04:15] <owen1> n000b: 7.04 didn't come with pdf viewer so i had to install evince.
[04:15] <owen1> n000b: but that's it.
[04:15] <n000b> owen1: 7.04 ubuntu didnt have it either
[04:15] <owen1> n000b: ok (-:
[04:15] <Jasone> nobody here has vnc4server going on their 8.04 ubuntu here?
[04:16] <Jasone> xubuntu*
[04:16] <n000b> can you use the ubuntu support forums to get xubuntu help?
[04:16] <owen1> "enable automatic login" doesn't work. any ideas?
[04:16] <owen1> n000b: great question. i think u do.
[04:17] <n000b> owen1:hmm how would you find out?
[04:17] <owen1> n000b: because u can use all the gnome apps on xubuntu.
[04:17] <owen1> n000b: i am new to xubuntu but i think it's the same forums.
[04:18] <n000b> i heard you dont need any antivirus or anti malware for linux
[04:18] <owen1> n000b: i also believe it's good to know the command line sometimes so u'll not be depend on a UI.
[04:18] <owen1> n000b: true.
[04:18] <n000b> owen1: good point
[04:18] <owen1> n000b: the best thing is the community.
[04:18] <n000b> owen1: can you do torrenting with xbuntu
[04:18] <owen1> n000b: people will help u to get away from MSF.
[04:19] <n000b> whats MSF
[04:19] <owen1> n000b: (-: sure. click on torrent file and enjoy!
[04:19] <owen1> n000b: it comes with 8.04 - transmission.
[04:19] <n000b> owen1: oh there's an included bittorrent client?
[04:20] <owen1> n000b: microsoft
[04:20] <n000b> ok
[04:20] <owen1> n000b: sure. and it's light-weight.
[04:20] <n000b> owen1:cool
[04:20] <owen1> n000b: i also have win XP as a virtual machine.
[04:20] <n000b> owen1: have you tried gobuntu?
[04:21] <owen1> use virtualbox.
[04:21] <n000b> owen1: im doing a dual boot system
[04:21] <owen1> n000b: no. is it nice?
[04:21] <owen1> n000b: why dual boot?
[04:21] <n000b> owen1: i've yet to try it
[04:21] <owen1> use virtualbox
[04:21] <n000b> so I can play certain windows only games and run some windows only software
[04:22] <owen1> n000b: it's great. it takes 2 seconds to have XP on full screen.
[04:22] <owen1> instead of dual boot.
[04:22] <n000b> owen1: so i dont need a dual boot?
[04:23] <owen1> no
[04:23] <n000b> owen1: hows the media player on xubuntu? will it play every kind of file?
[04:23] <owen1> install virtualbox from sun's website. i'll guide u.
[04:24] <owen1> n000b: yes. it's the same as ubuntu.
[04:24] <n000b> I see
[04:24] <n000b> owen1: what kind of system do you have
[04:24] <owen1> n000b: u can also try vlc or mplayer
[04:24] <owen1> n000b: 1.5 gig ram, 2.6 (i think) cpu.
[04:24] <n000b> owen1: whats vlc?
[04:25] <owen1> n000b: another video player.
[04:25] <n000b> owen1: what's it stand for?
[04:25] <owen1> n000b: not sure. google..
[04:25] <owen1> n000b: it's work with anything.
[04:26] <owen1> n000b: u have many options with linux. u'll love it.
[04:26] <owen1> my XP is fast. i don't feel that it's virtual at all.
[04:27] <n000b> owen1: i have a bunch of files on an external hard drive that I put on there when I had windows
[04:27] <owen1> and u can play flightgear on linux (open source flight simulator)!
[04:27] <n000b> owen1: how will i run them on linux
[04:28] <owen1> what kind of files?
[04:28] <n000b> owen1: thanks for the software recommendations , im writing them all down
[04:28] <n000b> Owen1: my folders show up as files on ubuntu, so  i cant get into them
[04:29] <owen1> n000b: in 1 month u'll do the same  - help others.
[04:29] <n000b> they were windows file system
[04:30] <owen1> mmm. it's a usb thingy?
[04:30] <n000b> yes
[04:30] <n000b> external
[04:30] <n000b> external usb
[04:30] <owen1> just connect to the linux and u'll be able to access it.
[04:31] <owen1> "enable automatic login" doesn't work. any ideas?
[04:31] <n000b> I opened it on linux but all the folders showed up as files
[04:32] <owen1> n000b: ask it on ubuntu channel. there are 1400 people now..
[04:32] <n000b> owen1: did you say 1400? are you serious>
[04:32] <owen1> n000b: yes. it's insane.
[04:33] <owen1> most of your questions can be addressed there.
[04:33] <owen1> i am going there as well. got a question with automatic login.
[04:34] <n000b> ok
[04:34] <n000b> link me pls
[04:34] <owen1> link?
[04:34] <owen1> what app do u use for irc?
[04:34] <n000b> chatzilla
[04:34] <n000b> im there now
[04:35] <owen1> ok. what link do u need. #ubuntu
[04:35] <n000b> no i dont need it abymore thanks anyway
[04:42] <yukonho> Hi - xubuntu is failing during the "loading drivers" portion of the boot sequence
[04:42] <Utalcn2me> my pulseaudio device chooser doesn't start when selected, and there is nothing listed when i run paman or pavucontrol, any ideas on using pulseaudio?
[04:52] <owen1> "enable automatic login" doesn't work(xubuntu) . any ideas?
[04:52] <maxamillion> don't use auto login?
[04:56] <owen1> maxamillion: when i logout it shows me the login screen..
[04:58] <maxamillion> right ... its supposed to
[04:59] <owen1> maxamillion: i am confused. can't i login automatically?
[04:59] <HACKhalo2> the auto login only works when you start the computer up
[04:59] <owen1> HACKhalo2: and not when i restartL
[04:59] <owen1> ?
[05:00] <HACKhalo2> restart should autologin too\
[05:00] <owen1> it didn't....
[05:00] <maxamillion> owen1: yes, you should be able to but i don't do it so i've never seen that problem and don't know how to fix it, i was just suggesting that you not use auto-login
[05:02] <owen1> maxamillion: what is the risk?
[05:02] <owen1> vnc?
[05:02] <owen1> ssh?
[05:02] <HACKhalo2> you get carpal tunnel typing in your password
[05:02] <HACKhalo2> lol
[05:02] <owen1> good one
[05:04] <maxamillion> well, i just don't like the idea of others using my machine ....
[05:04] <maxamillion> i have a fully encrypted hard drive, grub password, and required login prompt
[05:07] <owen1> what is grub password?
[05:08] <maxamillion> owen1: its a password that is required to even select a boot device/kernel/partition
[05:09] <maxamillion> owen1: and then i have a LUKs password that is required to decrypt my filesystem upon boot
[05:09] <maxamillion> well technically it decrypts and encrypts on the fly as i use the filesystem, but the password is required at boot time
[05:11] <owen1> maxamillion: r u an fbi agent? what's the pannic?
[05:12] <n000b> hey owen
[05:12] <n000b> owen are you on yahoo?
[05:12] <owen1> maxamillion: just kidding.
[05:12] <maxamillion> owen1: no, just security concious .... i'm just a college student
[05:12] <maxamillion> :P
[05:12] <owen1> maxamillion: one day i'll be like u.
[05:12] <owen1> hi n000b
[05:12] <n000b> owen1 im going to restart my PC in ubuntu
[05:13] <maxamillion> owen1: i hope your not like me, i hope you are better than me ;
[05:13] <maxamillion> ;)
[05:13] <n000b> will you be here
[05:13] <n000b> owen whats your location
[05:13] <n000b> owen1:
[05:14] <owen1> n000b: LA
[05:14] <owen1> n000b: you?
[05:15] <owen1> guy, n00b is trying ubuntu for the first time, so let's help him!
[05:15] <owen1> i mean guys
[05:16] <maxamillion> rgr
[05:16] <n000b> ok owen im going to restart my pc
[05:16] <n000b> will you be here?
[05:16] <owen1> n000b: probabsy
[05:16] <owen1> probably
[05:16] <n000b> ok this will take 10 minutes
[05:29] <n000b> hey
[05:29] <n000b> owen
[05:29] <n000b> owen can you walk me through the installation?
[05:30] <owen1> sure
[05:30] <owen1> next..
[05:31] <n000b> its asking me how do i want to partition the disk
[05:32] <owen1> my advice is to fully install it.
[05:32] <owen1> do u have a problem with it?
[05:38] <maxamillion> n000b: is there another operating system on that computer or any data that you don't want deleted?
[06:56] <lucasmk> is um
[06:56] <lucasmk> Xubuntu based on Hardy ready yet?
[06:56] <zoredache> yes
[06:56] <lucasmk> anyone had any luck with powerpc ?
[06:57] <zoredache> I don't think that is an option anymore...
[06:58] <zoredache> but I am not certain.  I know that I didn't see any ppc cd images on the xubuntu site
[06:58] <lucasmk> yeah it's unsupported
[06:59] <lucasmk> but i still think packages are built for it
[07:05] <lucasmk> hmm
[07:05] <lucasmk> guess I'll wait
[07:54] <whyking> hi
[07:55] <whyking> I just upgraded xubuntu to hardy.. everything fine, but I think PulseAudio is not installed.. can't seem to find it.. onyl pkg installed is libpulse0
[07:58] <whyking> also, why is xmms uninstalled
[08:01] <TheSheep> !pulseaudio
[08:01] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[08:02] <whyking> but shouldn't it be installed automatically when upgrading?
[08:02] <TheSheep> whyking: xmms is not installed beacuse it's unsupported and very old software with limited functionalities, and on top of that it's illegal to distribute it in many countries such as United States and japan because of software patents
[08:02] <TheSheep> s/japan/Japan
[08:02] <whyking> oh ok... is there a new good and simple player?
[08:02] <TheSheep> try audacious
[08:03] <whyking> TheSheep, ok.. ... so its normal that PulseAudio did not get installed?
[08:03] <TheSheep> I suppose so
[08:10] <lucasmk> PulseAudio is great once you get it working
[08:32] <latitu> i have hp deskjet 3900 printer. how can i see ink levels and have some advanced configs and printing quality levels . like in windows?
[08:49] <whyking> lucasmk, got it working.. was actually pretty easy and works indeed nice
[08:49] <whyking> especially nice is the feature to allow other pcs on the lan to play music over my boxes.. no more music from my gf's laptop speakers! :-)
[08:57] <whyking> although audacious is choking when  trying to play an mp3
[08:59] <whyking> ah, wrong output plugin
[10:09] <venil> how come my update manager says "new distribution 7.10 is uvailable", when 8.04 is out, is there any way i can update 7.04 to 8.04 bypassing 7.10
[10:11] <jarnos> Hello! Has anyone succeeded in running midbrowser or installing konqueror embedded in ubuntu?
[10:14] <Iskr> venil, i don't think so but either case it is not reccomended
[10:17] <venil> thanks, does anyone know if 8.04 solves the display not being switched back on after a laptop lid open
[10:18] <venil> this has been a problem for Dell branded laptops
[10:28] <Iskr> i dunno
[10:54] <whyking> how can I set what modules in /etc/init.d should get started automatically during boot?
[10:59] <saint-takeshi> hey all
[11:00] <saint-takeshi> just put xubuntu on my lovely new Acer Aspire 5315 laptop :D:D it's gorgeous
[11:00] <saint-takeshi> so......fast
[11:04] <Iskr> yes it is
[11:05] <saint-takeshi> just a couple of things i need to sort out... how come dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ends after the emulate 3-button mouse question?
[11:08] <saint-takeshi> i'd really prefer it to use the intel video driver and direct rendering and 3d acceleration. i did it a few months ago on a simillar, older lappy and had guildwars running under wine at bearable speeds...
[11:08] <saint-takeshi> keep forgetting to back up up my xorg.conf after i get everything working.
[11:49] <bowenyah> hi, I am trying to run a python script on xubuntu (linutop machine) but it seems to get killed by the system after about a minute. The script basically makes a urllib2.request every 10 seconds or so. Can anyone give me any pointers on how I could diagnose the problem?
[12:10] <Prodoc81> good afternoon
[12:11] <Prodoc81> I'd like to upgrade from xubuntu 6.06 to 8.04. If I use the update manager only 7.10 is provided. According to the help file I have to enable the "dapper-updates" software channel but where/how do I do this?
[12:14] <Prodoc81> or is it recommended to install 7.10 first?
[12:17] <Prodoc81> correction, I'm running xubuntu 6.10
[12:19] <PsynoKhi0> heya
[12:20] <PsynoKhi0> the upgrade to hardy went ok, something's bugging me though: the panels aren't what I expected them to become
[12:21] <PsynoKhi0> size can prolly be tweaked but I don't have the "Places" menu, what gives?
[12:23] <Sionide> PsynoKhi0, right-click on the top panel, add an item, places is in there
[12:24] <PsynoKhi0> eh... and it was that simple :( struck by the "OMGOMGOMG IRC HELP!" syndrome...
[12:24] <PsynoKhi0> Sionide: thanx
[12:25] <Sionide> PsynoKhi0, figured it was installed during the update, just not added automatically
[12:27] <Sionide> Prodoc81, i'd recommend backing everything up and doing a fresh install.. because it looks like you'd have to dist-upgrade to 7.10, then again up to 8.04 if that's even possible... it's likely things would break :S but i'm no expert.. just making an educated guess from what i read on http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[12:29] <soren> Prodoc81: Upgrading from 6.06 to 8.04 is supported.
[12:29] <Sionide> soren, what about 6.10?
[12:29] <soren> Sionide: No.
[12:30] <Sionide> hrm
[12:30] <Sionide> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:30] <soren> Upgrades to 8.04 are supported from 6.06 and 7.10
[12:30] <PsynoKhi0> isn't Places supposed to include submenus like in gnome? "Documents", "Music" etc.
[12:30] <Sionide> but you can only upgrade 6.10 to 7.04 :s
[12:31] <Sionide> PsynoKhi0, I've just got home dir, trash, desktop and file system on mine..
[12:31] <PsynoKhi0> !upgrade
[12:31] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:31] <PsynoKhi0> oops
[12:31] <soren> Sionide: I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying what's supported (i.e. what's been tested and what you can expect to get help with).
[12:31] <Prodoc81> I'm now in the process of upgrading from 6.10 to 7.10
[12:31] <Sionide> soren, indeed..
[12:31] <PsynoKhi0> Sionide: fresh install?
[12:32] <Sionide> 6.10 -> 7.10 -> 8.04, heh
[12:32] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[12:33] <Sionide> i prefer fresh install.. making a clean start is nice
[12:33] <Sionide> i tend to install this and that package just to see what they do, never use them again.. system gets clogged up.
[12:34] <Sionide> back in the old days, i installed openoffice 2.0 manually when it came out, and gnucash i think and between them they wrecked dist-upgrade..
[12:35] <PsynoKhi0> guess I'll do that
[12:35] <PsynoKhi0> not sure it will revert to defalt desktop settings though
[12:35] <PsynoKhi0> default*
[12:36] <PsynoKhi0> I keep /home on a separate partition
[12:37] <Sionide> i was talking about what Prodoc81 is trying..
[12:37] <Sionide> thought you said your upgrade went okay?
[12:37] <PsynoKhi0> Sionide: ah... well "so far so good"
[12:37] <Sionide> the thing with keeping the home dir is then you get old hidden files in it which is clutter
[12:38] <Prodoc81> sorry, got distracted
[12:38] <Prodoc81> how big is the chance that I'm able to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04?
[12:39] <Sionide> Prodoc81, very.. it's supported. see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[12:39] <Prodoc81> ah yes, of course
[12:40] <Prodoc81> I just thought it would be different again like from 6.10 to 8.04 but as soon as I got 7.10 installed that's not the case anymore
[12:41] <Sionide> Prodoc81, have you backed up important data just in case?
[12:41] <Prodoc81> hehe, nope :-D
[12:41] <Sionide> i would.. just as a precaution
[12:42] <Prodoc81> too late now. I should have but fortunately it's not a critical system, hence the reason I was still working with 6.10 thus far
[12:43]  * Sionide watches The Apprentice 4x05
[12:45] <Prodoc81> hmm, it stops at 'Services to restart for PAM library upgrade:'
[12:46] <Prodoc81> though nothing is listed
[12:49] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, ping
[12:50] <Prodoc81> ah, the magic Enter button is performing miracles again :-D
[12:52] <cody-somerville> :)
[13:32] <leftStanding> hi, i recently downloaded xubuntu 8.04, burned it and when tried booting from CD it throws my laptop into what looks like an infinite loop after i click on the "try xubuntu" menu option. is anyone experiencing similar problems?
[13:32] <leftStanding> i haven't encountered this while using regular ubuntu, i verified the iso against the md5 hash and that seems to match up
[13:33] <ere4si> I've never seen a "try xubuntu" option - where did you get the iso from?
[13:34] <leftStanding> ere4si: i'm paraphrasing, its the first option in the menu that doesn't automatically try to install itself
[13:34] <ere4si> start or install?
[13:34] <leftStanding> start
[13:34] <ere4si> k
[13:35] <leftStanding> i've tried all the options and each one leads to a loop -- cd-rom speeds up, spins for awhile, then slows down, repeats
[13:35] <leftStanding> no status bars or anything to show progress
[13:35] <ere4si> infiniter loops are generally kernel issues - did you check the md5 against the burnt cd?
[13:35] <leftStanding> yes, i did compare the two and it checked out
[13:35] <ere4si> *infinite
[13:36] <leftStanding> infiniter loops are more infinite than infinite loops, right? ;)
[13:36] <ere4si> \at "start or install" click F6 and type a space then    noapic nolapic
[13:38] <cody-somerville> leftStanding, hey
[13:38] <cody-somerville> How much memory does your computer have?
[13:38] <leftStanding> i'll try that when i get home, do you have other ideas as to why its not working?
[13:38] <leftStanding> cody_somerville: i have 1GB of RAM
[13:38] <cody-somerville> Do a CD integrity test.
[13:39] <leftStanding> cody_somerville: i've tried selecting that option but same problem, it freezes - never loads but i am able to use CTRL+ALT+DEL to restart the laptop
[13:39] <cody-somerville> leftStanding, Do an MD5 check before booting from the cd.
[13:39] <leftStanding> i've tried the ubuntu 8.04 beta version and that seemed to work fine
[13:40] <leftStanding> cody_somerville: yep, i'm compared the hashes
[13:40] <cody-somerville> You have or are am?
[13:40] <leftStanding> can you restate the question?
[13:41] <ere4si> md5 check leftStanding
[13:43] <leftStanding> oh yes, i've ran md5 and compared the result against the one on the download site, they both match
[13:44] <ere4si> seems strange the beta worked and the final doesn't
[13:45] <ere4si> ?
[13:45] <ere4si> There's not much difference between them'
[13:46] <leftStanding> I'd imagine other people would complain about this if it was a wide spread problem.
[13:47] <leftStanding> Must be something funky with my machine. I'll take a closer look when I get home. Thanks for the help ere4si & cody-somerville!
[13:47] <cody-somerville> okay, np
[13:48] <ere4si> leftStanding: ask again if there's any more trouble
[15:05] <Ultraputz> i upgraded from gutsy to hardy, and use LUKS / LVM. Upon reboot, i find that it asks for LUKS password, but will not unlock the new system
[15:05] <Ultraputz> i assume grub's menu did not get updated to reflect the new system, but i can't get it at it.
[15:06] <Ultraputz> any ideas?
[15:07] <TheSheep> Ultraputz: you can always hit 'e' on the grub screen and edit the entry in place
[15:07] <Ultraputz> sure
[15:07] <Ultraputz> but i'm not sure what to set it to
[15:12] <Ultraputz> autocomplete is helpful
[15:12] <TheSheep> you can also start grub from a livecd
[15:12] <Ultraputz> anyohw, the problem goes a bit beyond that -- once i get past grub, it keeps asking for the LUKS passphrase, and won't accept it
[15:12] <TheSheep> but I guess it wouldn't have access to the encrypted files
[15:13] <Ultraputz> if this is locked out, it would be very, very bad.
[15:14] <TheSheep> otoh grub must have a way to read them somehow...
[15:14] <Ultraputz> i assume it's grub because during the upgrade process, it asked me whether or not to keep or replace the grub menu
[15:14] <TheSheep> well, since you know the passphrase, you could probably use some tools to recover that anyway
[15:14] <TheSheep> I just don't knw any
[15:17] <Ultraputz> updated grub, got a new error:
[15:17] <Ultraputz> "VIA PadLock Hash Engine not detected, modprobe: WARNING: Error inserting padlock_sha) (/lib/modules/...26-16-generic/kernal/drivers/crypto/padlock-sha.ko): No such device
[15:18] <TheSheep> just an error
[15:18] <TheSheep> a warning I mean
[15:18] <TheSheep> I think it's not critical
[15:19] <Ultraputz> it's still not recognizing the passphrase.
[15:20] <Sionide> Prodoc81, how's it going?
[15:32] <Sionide> What the... Why do .odt OpenDocument files open with "Archive Manager" as default...? That's a bit odd.
[15:33] <gabkdlly> Sionide: probably because you don't have OpenOffice installed
[15:34] <Sionide> True, but it's just a format.. Abiword supports OpenDocument Format, rightly so.. Abiword *made* the file
[15:35] <Sionide> opendocument format files aren't archives :S
[15:36] <koldrakan> what's the 2 commands for disabling thhe system beep? I seem to have forgotten:P
[15:38] <Ultraputz> bbl
[15:41] <koldrakan> anyone
[15:41] <koldrakan> ?
[15:42] <Linuturk> well, I'm running xubuntu at homenow
[15:43] <Linuturk> home now*
[15:43] <Odd-rationale> koldrakan: this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=634295
[15:43] <Linuturk> it seems alright
[15:45] <gabkdlly> Sionide: actually, odt files are either XML or ZIP archives containing XML
[15:45] <koldrakan> thx=)
[15:45] <Sionide> gabkdlly, apparently so.. the lamen user doesn't need to to know that. it's a document format..
[15:46] <gabkdlly> true
[15:48] <Odd-rationale> koldrakan: as you could see, I prefered to "humanize" it rather that blacklist it... :) or you could just "xset b 0"
[15:50] <koldrakan> I used the blacklist option:P
[15:55] <_stijn_> hey
[15:55] <_stijn_> i've a quick question
[15:56] <_stijn_> what are the requirments for xubuntu?
[15:56] <Odd-rationale> _stijn_: 256 mb ram and 1.5 gb hdd space
[15:57] <Odd-rationale> _stijn_: let me get the exact numbers..
[15:57] <_stijn_> got it
[15:57] <ere4si> 128mb memory is the main one - after install - 192mb mem for the live cd
[15:57] <_stijn_> great, this pc has exact 256MB
[15:58] <Odd-rationale> _stijn_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#head-1e8a8a2a2221583a5ce5a57a242f72b623469815
[15:58] <_stijn_> k
[16:21] <Sionide> heh, absolute minimum looks like fun, might see if i've got an old machine knocking about i could try it on
[16:22] <Sionide> i bet my dad has a 486 in the loft
[16:25] <TheSheep> Sionide: that's a bit o an overkill
[16:32] <PsynoKhi0> that "minimum req" discussion reminded me of a YouTube with some guy trying to boot the live cd on a system with 16 MB ram...
[16:32] <PsynoKhi0> som people never learn
[16:32] <PsynoKhi0> YouTube vid*
[16:33] <PsynoKhi0> or was it 32 MB... bah, anyway...
[16:34] <PsynoKhi0> was the switch to PulseAudio really rational btw?
[16:35] <eternalswd> I just finished installing xubuntu 8.04 rc on my old imac graphite.  When I try to boot, it reaches the place where the kernel is loading and just powers off.  Any ideas how to resolve.  Do I need to add noapic to the kernel options?  If so, how do I?
[16:35] <eternalswd> Installation finished without error btw.
[16:38] <ere4si> at the grub menu - hit  e - scroll down one line then hit   e   again  -  type a space then type     noapic  nolapic         and then hit enter then   b   for boot
[16:40] <eternalswd> the ppc version has no grub that I can see.  There is a yaboot
[18:47] <Prodoc81> darn, I walked away during the upgrade process from 6.10 to 7.10 and now it doesn't accept my password any more to get rid of the screensaver
[18:48] <Prodoc81> anyone got a suggestion how to get out of the screensaver?
[18:48] <PsynoKhi0> ctrl alt f2 maybe
[18:48] <Prodoc81> what will that do?
[18:49] <PsynoKhi0> send you to a terminal
[18:49] <Prodoc81> I dont know how far it got with the upgrade process
[18:49] <Prodoc81> ok
[18:49] <PsynoKhi0> then you can ps aux | grep screensaver
[18:49] <PsynoKhi0> and kill the PID
[18:49] <PsynoKhi0> use at your own risks
[18:51] <PsynoKhi0> I hear you there though, having the option to block the screensaver during an upgrade could be neat
[18:52] <Prodoc81> it got me in the terminal, is there a way to get back to the gui?
[18:52] <Prodoc81> my login does get accepted in the terminal
[18:54] <PsynoKhi0> dang
[18:54] <pleia2> Prodoc81: there isn't really an upgrade path from 6.10 directly to 7.10, should have gone 6.10 > 7.04 > 7.10
[18:54] <PsynoKhi0> ctrl alt f7
[18:54] <pleia2> so you might run into other issues
[18:55] <Prodoc81> the 7.10 upgrade got offered in the update manager so I went for it
[18:55] <pleia2> interesting
[18:56] <Prodoc81> darn, going back to the gui still doesn't allow me to exit the screen saver with my login details
[18:58] <PsynoKhi0> your pw borked somehow...
[18:58] <Prodoc81> I guess I got no other option then to kill the PID?
[18:58] <PsynoKhi0> (no sh!t sherlock)
[18:58] <PsynoKhi0> Prodoc81: well yeah but if you can't log in a term nor get out of the screensaver... =/
[18:59] <PsynoKhi0> btw my comment within parenthesis was targeted at my own comment :P
[18:59] <Prodoc81> my account details do get accepted in the terminal
[18:59] <PsynoKhi0> oh
[19:00] <Prodoc81> would a pw reset do the trick?
[19:00] <PsynoKhi0> ouch my bad, read wrong
[19:00] <PsynoKhi0> if it works in terminal but not in screensaver, I'd say your pw is fine
[19:01] <PsynoKhi0> so uh yeah kill the pid for s-saver
[19:01] <PsynoKhi0> it might have updated the package forit while it was running, butnot configured yet
[19:01] <Sionide> Prodoc81, i told you this upgrade thing was a bad move..
[19:01] <PsynoKhi0> hence pw no go (wild guess)
[19:02] <Prodoc81> Sionide: than why did I get the offer in the first place? ;-)
[19:03] <Prodoc81> PsynoKhi0: how does this kill stuff work?
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> it fries the RAM space the process is running in, so use sparely
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> nah j/k
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> :D
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> it forces the process to stop and frees the ram
[19:06] <Prodoc81> 'ps aux | grep screensaver' gives me a huge list of libblabla with one line at the end: 'prodoc 32078 0.0 0.0 2976 752 tty2 R+ 20:09 0:00 grep screensaver'
[19:07] <PsynoKhi0> ps aux | grep gnome
[19:08] <Prodoc81> 'prodoc 32087 0.0 0.0 2976 772 tty2 R+ 20:09 0:00 grep gnome'
[19:12] <leche> how do i get my old "settings" menu back?
[19:19] <PsynoKhi0> Prodoc81: then the whole beef: ps aux | grep gnome-screensaver
[19:19] <PsynoKhi0> shortcuts aren't always that short eh?
[19:20] <Prodoc81> hehe
[19:21] <PsynoKhi0> though I can't remember if ps aux requires wildcards to work properly
[19:22] <Prodoc81> 'prodoc 32104 0.0 0.0 2976 752 tty2 R+ 20:28 0.00 grep gnome-screensaver'
[19:22] <PsynoKhi0> ffs
[19:22] <Prodoc81> this time no huge libblabla list
[19:23] <PsynoKhi0> no useful info either
[19:23] <PsynoKhi0> well I'm out of ideas sorry :(
[19:23] <Prodoc81> darn
[19:25] <gaurdro> wow,  the ubuntu servers are timing out with getting the upgrade release notes.  they must be under some serious load.
[19:27] <PsynoKhi0> Prodoc81: not too sound to pessimistic but, in the short term, a potential issue with the screensave thingie is that (at least in my case) the upgrade manager could ask you to keep or delete a proc blacklist file...
[19:27] <PsynoKhi0> since you can't give any input, it's gonna sit there
[19:27] <PsynoKhi0> and your upgrade won't complete no matter how long you wait, unless MAYBE the screensaver automagically gets back to normal
[19:30] <Prodoc81> PsynoKhi0: well...I started to upgrade process 6 hours ago... I don't think it would have taken that long for it to turn back to normal
[19:30] <PsynoKhi0> anyone with a fresh FRESH 8.04 installation here?
[19:30] <PsynoKhi0> Prodoc81: that sounds a tad long indeed... errmm do you have a backup of your home folder? :(
[19:30] <PsynoKhi0> or is it on a separate partition?
[19:31] <PsynoKhi0> konnichiwa
[19:31] <Prodoc81> hehe, nope :-D
[19:31] <PsynoKhi0> Prodoc81: anything important in your /home folder? :(
[19:32] <Prodoc81> just a bloody tricky postgres/perl server setup :-(
[19:32] <PsynoKhi0> gah
[19:33] <Prodoc81> what if I just shut down the system in the hope that it's finished or will resume?
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> I'd boot on a LiveCD and save whatever I can...
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> Prodoc81: I tried that once
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> resulted in a messed up filesystem
[19:34] <Prodoc81> GOT IT! killed the screensaver
[19:34] <PsynoKhi0> WOOOO!
[19:34] <Prodoc81> I'm back in
[19:34] <PsynoKhi0> (<-.-)
[19:34] <PsynoKhi0> (-.->)
[19:34] <PsynoKhi0> *this is my "Travolta in Pulp Fiction" smilie, (c) me*
[19:35] <Prodoc81> hehe
[19:36] <Prodoc81> wow, weird, I got back in with a config error but gefore I could respond all of a sudden it logged me out. I can login again and I get a clean desktop
[19:36] <Prodoc81> is there any way I can check if everything installed fine now?
[19:38] <PsynoKhi0> launch Synaptic
[19:38] <biro> hi all, is it possible to reorder items on the task bar?
[19:38] <PsynoKhi0> biro: you mean your elements in the upper panel?
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> or lower too
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> right click on the applet, there should be an option to move the icon
[19:39] <biro> PsynoKhi0: just the lower
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[19:40] <PsynoKhi0> your minimized apps?
[19:40] <biro> yeah
[19:40] <PsynoKhi0> or your applets?
[19:40] <biro> I really miss that feature
[19:40] <biro> minimized apps
[19:40] <PsynoKhi0> hold left mouse button I think
[19:41] <biro> no, doesn't work
[19:41] <biro> :(
[19:44] <PsynoKhi0> biro: ah dang... jumped to conclusions sry (in ubuntu with gnome atm here)
[19:48] <PsynoKhi0> POLL: how hot does the harddrive get on your laptop (please include approx. year of manufacture)
[19:48] <PsynoKhi0> 53C iddle after a while (2001)
[19:50] <C|-|R15> hi....does xubuntu do a good job of detecting internet modem connected via USB on a laptop?
[19:50] <C|-|R15> direct USB connection not wifi USB internet
[19:53] <PsynoKhi0> C|-|R15: modem with SIM card?
[19:53] <PsynoKhi0> GAH!
[19:54] <PsynoKhi0> can I delete my 2 previous comments? -.-
[19:54] <C|-|R15> its a cable DSL router using USB on old laptop...ethernet port broken
[19:55] <C|-|R15> just wondering if it will detect internet connection without tweaking
[19:55] <PsynoKhi0> yeah, thought you meant something else by "not wifi" my bad
[19:55] <C|-|R15> not problem...my bad for not being clearer...lol
[19:56] <PsynoKhi0> nope, I have to learn to stop reading half of the sentences before assaulting my keyboard hehe!
[19:56] <PsynoKhi0> as for your question, I don't know
[19:57] <PsynoKhi0> there is a simple way of checkig it out I'd say
[19:57] <C|-|R15> all M$ ME and XP seem to detect it just fine...wondering if xubuntu will be the same
[19:57] <PsynoKhi0> hoe much ram does your laptop have?
[19:57] <PsynoKhi0> how*
[19:57] <C|-|R15> I would try live version, but downloaded alt version
[19:58] <PsynoKhi0> that's what I was suggesting actually, trying the live version :)
[19:58] <C|-|R15> laptop has  192MB ram
[19:58] <PsynoKhi0> ok, that's the minimum to boot the Live
[19:59] <C|-|R15> ok...guess its downloading again on torrent....
[19:59] <C|-|R15> have you tried fluxbuntu?
[19:59] <C|-|R15> just wondering if its just the same as ubuntu.....just not official
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: i've used fluxbuntu
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: although I think they're skipping the hardy release
[20:01] <C|-|R15> any good?
[20:02] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: yeah. It was good. although, anyone could make there own with no trouble...
[20:02] <C|-|R15> ah ok
[20:02] <C|-|R15> but guess its all the same...like apt-get, etc?
[20:03] <Odd-rationale> they are still on 7.10 rc
[20:03] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: yeah, all that is the same
[20:04] <C|-|R15> might give it a try....if its better than xubuntu for older laptops
[20:04] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: definitly lighter than xubuntu
[20:04] <Odd-rationale> although, my new favorite is lxde
[20:05] <C|-|R15> not familiar with that one....it liked Puppy....but never seemed to install correctly and always needed disc to boot
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: frugal install?
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> lxde is a desktop environment: http://lxde.sourceforge.net/
[20:06] <C|-|R15> have used ubuntu for years...so comfortable with that....previously had mandrake...but good few years back....they lost me once discovered ubuntu
[20:09] <C|-|R15> thanks for you help odd...very helpful....will check out lxde
[20:09] <C|-|R15> bye
[20:24] <lobazo> please help me
[20:25] <lobazo> i can't mount a cd
[20:25] <lobazo> it's says me
[20:25] <lobazo> according mtab /dev/scd0 is already mounted in /media/cdrom0
[20:27] <siggjen> try eject then
[20:27] <lobazo> i have done that
[20:27] <lobazo> when i try to put again says me
[20:27] <lobazo> according mtab /dev/scd0 is already mounted in /media/cdrom0
[20:28] <lobazo> i can see the files
[20:28] <PsynoKhi0> what's the default panel size in Hardy?
[20:29] <lobazo> but i don't like the same error message again and again
[20:29] <Odd-rationale> PsynoKhi0: in xfce? 24 i think
[20:29] <lobazo> yes xfce
[20:29] <PsynoKhi0> Odd-rationale: smaller than gutsy and previous versions, isn't it?
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> PsynoKhi0: yup. more "gnomey"
[20:30] <PsynoKhi0> Odd-rationale: indeed... both upper and lower panel?
[20:33] <PsynoKhi0> Odd-rationale: ah nvm, thanks for the info :)
[20:54] <PsynoKhi0> hmm looks like my notification try icons are kind of bigger than they should
[20:54] <PsynoKhi0> try = tray
[20:59] <PsynoKhi0> nvm, xfce's wish list says I'll have to live with it :P
[21:05] <leftStanding> hi, when using grub interactively can you specify noacpi or acpi=off as kernel arguments or is there a special command that is needed?
[21:13] <PsynoKhi0> leftStanding: what do you mean by "interactively"? :)
[21:13] <PsynoKhi0> <- not too versed in jargon yet :P
[21:14] <PsynoKhi0> booting from cd or once installed?
[21:15] <Odd-rationale> how do I lock a xfce-session?
[21:16] <PsynoKhi0> Odd-rationale: I wish I knew... I'd loe to see the same lock screen as in gnome
[21:18] <Stroganoff> you can use xscreensaver for screen locking
[21:18] <Stroganoff> but the logout button of xfce should offer locking as well
[21:33] <Odd-rationale> Stroganoff: what is the command for that?
[21:34] <Stroganoff> xscreensaver-command -lock
[21:38] <Jeah> I'm having a weird Window Manager problem in Xubuntu Hardy.  Xfce4-terminal is opening without window decorations.  It has the right shape, but instead of the title bar, frame, close button, etc it is just solid black.  I can click where the buttons should be and they work, but they're not visible.  Window decorations on all my other apps (at least the ones I've used so far) have been fine.  I just tried re-downloading and re-installing t
[22:42] <HACKhalo2> i had to manually update my kernal this morning
[22:43] <HACKhalo2> that was fun
[22:56] <Jeah> Can anybody help me with a weird window manager problem in Xubuntu Hardy?  Xfce4-terminal is opening without window decorations.  It has the right shape, but instead of the title bar, frame, close button, etc it is just solid black.  I can click where the buttons should be and they work, but they're not visible.  Window decorations on all my other apps (at least the ones I've used so far) have been fine.  Compositing is off.  I tried re-d
[22:58] <HACKhalo2> did you try changing your theme?
[23:04] <lobazo> after of a problem i'm here again and i want to solve the problem of a cd of data
[23:04] <lobazo> i can't mount the cd
[23:06] <lobazo> it says me according mtab /dev/scd0 is already mounted on media/cdrom0
[23:08] <lobazo> if someone could help me please
[23:08] <totalwormface> wha?
[23:09] <totalwormface> can't you 'sudo umount /dev/scd0'?
[23:09] <totalwormface> and then mount it to the point you wanted it?
[23:10] <lobazo> no
[23:10] <lobazo> when i insert the cd
[23:10] <totalwormface> and you cant access it by browsing to /media/cdrom0?
[23:10] <lobazo> says me "according mtab /dev/scd0 is already mounted on media/cdrom0"
[23:11] <lobazo> no
[23:11] <lobazo> i can access
[23:11] <lobazo> but the error message appear again
[23:11] <lobazo> and again after of insert the cd's
[23:14] <lobazo> it's not a serious problem but i don't like the error messages
[23:14] <C|-|R15> hi...has anyone here put LXDE on top of xubuntu?
[23:19] <PsynoKhi0> iceWM yup, not tried LXDE though
[23:23] <KillerOrca> anyone here upgrade to 8.04 recently?
[23:23] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: i have. in gutsy
[23:23] <KillerOrca> did you use Samaba?
[23:24] <C|-|R15> so it pretty smooth and easy to get on top of xubuntu? no major problems?
[23:24] <HACKhalo2> i got the CD mount problem too, but i just double click the CD icon and i can access the disc
[23:24] <HACKhalo2> i bet the disc mounts twice
[23:24] <HACKhalo2> it mounts correctly the first time and errors out the second time
[23:24] <HACKhalo2> i did Killerkhi0
[23:25] <MiKa|> hi guys, my xubuntu isnt able to download and install a lot of software... i have no idea why
[23:25] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: yeah. really easy
[23:26] <HACKhalo2> MiKa -- i have the same problem, i just go to launchpad and manually download the installers
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: just add the repo on the lxde site
[23:27] <MiKa|> but it's really troublesome for me, because i have 20+ apps to download
[23:27] <C|-|R15> good...just looking for a nice ultra light version of ubuntu
[23:27] <C|-|R15> did you not have any problems installing programs?
[23:27] <C|-|R15> looking to put some of the kids stuff from edubuntu
[23:27] <Odd-rationale> although, last I heard is that they are trying to push it into the official repos :)
[23:27] <MiKa|> i never had problems
[23:27] <C|-|R15> that would be nice....an official one
[23:27] <Odd-rationale> C|-|R15: no, everything installed fined.
[23:28] <MiKa|> im using the sources list taken from: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[23:28] <HACKhalo2> i beleive it's the update to 8.04 that screwing everything up
[23:28] <C|-|R15> nice one
[23:28] <Odd-rationale> !slow | MiKa|
[23:28] <ubotu> MiKa|: The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load due to the release of the latest edition. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates.
[23:28] <KillerOrca> is anyone using a > 1 Ghz processor?
[23:29] <MiKa|> oh thx
[23:29] <MiKa|> no wonder
[23:29] <C|-|R15> just in two minds between fluxbuntu or xubuntu with lxde
[23:29] <Odd-rationale> MiKa|: yeah. i'm using the easynews.com mirror. it works fine
[23:29] <HACKhalo2> MiKa -- i had to download and manually install the new linux core
[23:29] <MiKa|> easynews? can i add that to the sources list?
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> MiKa|: You can change you mirror in Applications --> system -- Software sources...
[23:30] <C|-|R15> lxde seems to have good reviews
[23:30] <C|-|R15> and using Xubuntu as base more 'official' ubuntu
[23:30]  * HACKhalo2 adds easynews to the sources list
[23:31] <Odd-rationale> MiKa|: No. you don't need to edit your sourcelist manually. just select it your choice server from the list.
[23:31] <Odd-rationale> MiKa|: Although I backup my sources.lst file first.
[23:31] <MiKa|> thankx a lot
[23:31] <Odd-rationale> MiKa|: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.lst /etc/apt/sources.lst.bak
[23:31] <HACKhalo2> whats the ATP for easynews? http://www.easynews.com?
[23:32] <Odd-rationale> HACKhalo2: go to Applications --> system --> software sources and choose mirror.easynews.com for your mirror
[23:32] <HACKhalo2> oh
[23:33] <Odd-rationale> HACKhalo2: you don't need to edit your source.lst manually
[23:33] <HACKhalo2> ok
[23:33] <HACKhalo2> i see
[23:33] <Odd-rationale> or you can run the "choose best server" thing...
[23:34] <HACKhalo2> which is fail?
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> ?
[23:34] <KillerOrca> so no one uses this with a > 1 Ghz processor?
[23:34] <HACKhalo2> i don't think so KillerOrca
[23:34] <KillerOrca> damn
[23:35] <HACKhalo2> what type of computer do you have?
[23:35] <KillerOrca> old Compaq P3 700 Mhz
[23:36]  * HACKhalo2 whisles
[23:36] <HACKhalo2> can you overclock the processor?
[23:37] <KillerOrca> I am not sure how to
[23:37] <KillerOrca> I alrady have xubuntu installed
[23:37] <HACKhalo2> google it
[23:37] <KillerOrca> but the graphical part is soooo slow
[23:37] <KillerOrca> was wondering if it was common
[23:37] <HACKhalo2> you should be able to within the BIOS settings
[23:38] <MiKa|>  noticed the official site's changes list for 8.04 from 7.10... and there's not much difference..
[23:39] <MiKa|> i mean, most of the things are available in 7.10?
[23:39] <HACKhalo2> no
[23:40] <C|-|R15> I'm looking for something for around 700Mhz also.....thinking of Lxde on top of xubuntu. Xubuntu runs slow??? how much ram do you have
[23:40] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: what do you mean by slow?
[23:41] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: I have a test machine with Xubuntu on it, K6-2 500 MHz, 128 MB RAM, and it's pretty smooth
[23:41] <KillerOrca> it is pretty much impossible to use with intense applications like aureus
[23:41] <KillerOrca> *azureus
[23:41] <KillerOrca> it has 128 RAM also
[23:41] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: ah no wonder
[23:41] <PsynoKhi0> azureus is pretty heavy from my own experience
[23:42] <HACKhalo2> oh
[23:42] <HACKhalo2> RAM will kick your butt
[23:42] <HACKhalo2> upgrade to at least 256 MB of RAM
[23:42] <KillerOrca> even w/out azureus it is slow
[23:42] <PsynoKhi0> well please define slow :P
[23:42] <KillerOrca> I have two terminal windows open
[23:42] <KillerOrca> moving them across the screen takes a good 10 seconds to redraw
[23:42] <PsynoKhi0> takes long to start apps? dragging windows is sluggish?
[23:42] <KillerOrca> yes to both
[23:43] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: could be your video drivers not being properly configured
[23:43] <PsynoKhi0> what video card are you using?
[23:43] <KillerOrca> integrated one
[23:43] <KillerOrca> not even sure of the model
[23:43] <PsynoKhi0> hmm
[23:44] <KillerOrca> I thought the problem might be the processor though
[23:44] <PsynoKhi0> could you paste your xorg.conf over at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org please?
[23:44] <KillerOrca> whenever I move a window or open a program usage spike to 100 on the panel
[23:46] <KillerOrca> where is this xorg.conf located?
[23:46] <PsynoKhi0> under /etc/X11
[23:47] <PsynoKhi0> in one of your terminal, type "mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[23:47] <PsynoKhi0> case sensitive
[23:47] <PsynoKhi0> also please add the output of "lspci" in the pastebin
[23:47] <Arky44> Hello all. Does anyone have any recommendations for a very lightweight browser for XFCE (not too many bells and whistles, just the internet)?
[23:48] <PsynoKhi0> Arky44: hmm Dillo but it's not supported anymore I think
[23:49] <TheSheep> w3m, isntalled by defult
[23:49] <TheSheep> default
[23:50] <TheSheep> even supports mouse (!)
[23:50] <albuntu> araulavi, i think it was you that helped me with this same problem about a week ago; now that i upgraded to hardy, it's baaaaaAAAAAAAaaaacccckk!  when i try to open a terminal, i get an (x?) crash.  you told me how to change the default depth in xorg to 16, and that solved the prob.  now i forgot how :(
[23:51] <TheSheep> albuntu: jus edit it and search for a line that says defaultdepth 24
[23:52] <KillerOrca> that terminal problem is still there?
[23:52] <KillerOrca> god
[23:52] <KillerOrca> also what format psynoKhi0?
[23:52] <KillerOrca> err syntax
[23:53] <albuntu> thesheep, i don't know how to get into it, we went into a terminal by some shortcut, also i don't know the EZACKT command line, can you help?
[23:53] <KillerOrca> alt-f2
[23:53] <KillerOrca> then type xterm
[23:53] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: usually I don't bother with that field =)
[23:53] <KillerOrca> then click run
[23:54] <TheSheep> albuntu: sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:54] <albuntu> thesheep, we went in by alt/control/f(somenumber) or somehow
[23:54] <TheSheep> alt+f2
[23:54] <KillerOrca> f2
[23:54] <TheSheep> should be enough
[23:54] <KillerOrca> alright I posted them
[23:54] <KillerOrca> I think
[23:54] <TheSheep> you can switch to text mode with alt+ctrl+f1,2,3, etc.
[23:55] <TheSheep> then use nano instead of mousepad for editing
[23:55] <albuntu> thesheep, and the cli for nano the xorg?
[23:55] <KillerOrca> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64442/
[23:55] <TheSheep> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:55] <TheSheep> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:57] <Odd-rationale> gksudo mousepad ...
[23:57] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: ok your gfx chipset is properly detected it seems
[23:57] <albuntu> thesheep, i don't see nano in my menus, is it on my system nonetheless?
[23:58] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: have you enabled compositing?
[23:58] <KillerOrca> nooooo, would not dream of it the way this is going
[23:59] <PsynoKhi0> KillerOrca: ok one thing you could try, is to have DefaultDepth set to 16 instead of 2
[23:59] <PsynoKhi0> 24*
[23:59] <albuntu> Odd-rationale: you talkin to me?  i never understood the difference between sudo and gksudo, whenever anyone helps me they tell me sudo
[23:59] <quittt> hello


[01:47] <jtv> bigjools: we can just make maas-test import from the daily images and ignore the releases repo, right?
[01:47] <bigjools> jtv: hmm good question
[01:47] <bigjools> I would say both, but default to release
[01:49] <jtv> Maybe we can have a chat about this?
[02:24] <mwhudson> hm
[02:24] <mwhudson> how do you configure maas-dns?
[02:37] <jtv> mwhudson: maas generates the dns config using a template (in /etc/maas/templates IIRC)
[02:37] <jtv> So you edit the template.
[02:37] <mwhudson> hm
[02:38] <mwhudson> what i want to do is tell it where to forward most requests to
[02:38] <mwhudson> like e.g. "python.org"
[02:38] <jtv> Ah, that's already a thing.
[02:38] <jtv> For some quantity of thing.  Let me look.
[02:38] <mwhudson> i don't know much about configuring dns
[02:40] <jtv> So what you want to set is the “upstream” DNS, for all requests for hostnames not managed by the MAAS, right?
[02:41] <mwhudson> yes
[02:41] <jtv> There's a UI setting for that.  Look for "upstream DNS."
[02:41] <mwhudson> oh UI
[02:42] <mwhudson> i wonder why the UI isn't responding
[02:42] <jtv> At all..?
[02:42] <mwhudson> just hanging
[02:42] <mwhudson> bet it turns out to be a firewall
[02:42] <jtv> Then why did it work before though?  Maybe a big ongoing upgrade?
[02:43] <mwhudson> hm?
[02:43] <mwhudson> it's never worked for me
[02:43] <mwhudson> on this install
[02:43] <mwhudson> which is a day old
[02:45] <bigjools> you can set it via the API too, it's just a config item
[02:51] <mwhudson> ah ok i think the api not working was a stale ip address
[02:53] <mwhudson> shouldn't maas createadmin prompt for a password?
[02:53] <bigjools> here we go again :)
[02:53] <bigjools> createsuperuser does
[02:53] <mwhudson> or maybe the docs should be fixed, if it's that sigh-worthy :)
[02:53] <bigjools> people keep asking for one and then the other
[02:54] <bigjools> one is django's command, one is our wrapper
[02:54] <mwhudson> bigjools: http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/install.html#create-a-superuser-account seems to be just wrong (for trusty anyway i guess?)
[02:54] <bigjools> yeah the docs will be updated when 1.5 is released
[02:55] <bigjools> and we'll have docs for each supported release, at last
[02:55] <bigjools> separate docs I mena
[02:55] <bigjools> mean
[02:55] <mwhudson> i don't see a setting for dns in the ui :/
[02:55] <mwhudson> oh that will be nice
[02:55] <bigjools> it's on the config page somewhere
[02:56] <mwhudson> this maas install seems less fresh than i thought it was :/
[02:57] <bigjools> heh
[02:57] <bigjools> 2230 is latest trusty
[03:01] <mwhudson> is it possible that this maas doesn't think it's managing dns?
[03:01] <mwhudson> 1.4+bzr1693+dfsg-0ubuntu2.2
[03:01] <mwhudson> ok that's ancient?
[03:01] <bigjools> mwhudson: ancient!
[03:01] <mwhudson> ffs
[03:01] <bigjools> that's cloud-tools or saucy's version
[03:02] <bigjools> only about 500 revision behind
[03:02] <mwhudson> oh
[03:02] <mwhudson> this vm is saucy
[03:02] <mwhudson> ffs
[03:19] <mwhudson> anti-progress: the dns server i want to forward to does not, in fact, appear to be listening to me
[03:22] <bigjools> winning
[04:11] <bigjools> jtv: is there anything else in your branch that needs attention?
[04:11] <bigjools> I will approve it
[04:14] <jtv> I hit a different problem in Q/A; part that worked before.  May just be my experimental change.
[04:49] <jtv> I always knew the uploading of the file would be the hard and risky part, but why did it work when Raphaël tried it?
[05:02] <bigjools> jtv: what goes wrong?
[05:04] <jtv> Oh, I see it now.  The scp command.
[05:10] <bigjools> jtv: let me guess, quoting?
[05:10] <jtv> No, just a missing username/host prefix.
[05:11] <jtv> I guess Raphaël fixed that up in his experiment.
[05:17] <bigjools> ahah
[05:19] <jtv> Yup, that seems to work.
[05:19] <jtv> I'll try another Q/A run.
[05:43] <jtv> Hmm... images are imported just fine now (and according to spec), but Raphaël's new poll-until-images-are-imported code hits a timeout.
[05:44] <jtv> So report_boot_images is not working in some way.
[05:45] <jtv> Or maybe it's just genuinely taking too long.
[05:49] <jtv> Ah, wouldn't surprise me — he switched over from running the import script to triggering a run from the API.
[05:49] <jtv> The script doesn't return until the import is done, and from there all we need to wait for is for report_boot_images to run.
[05:49] <jtv> But when we call the API for importing images, it returns immediately — and so what we're waiting for is completion of the import itself.
[05:50] <jtv> (No longer report_boot_images, because the API-triggered task runs that right after the import).
[05:50] <jtv> The timeout is 10 minutes, IIRC, which is fine for the report_boot_images cycle — but maybe not for the import.
[05:50] <bigjools> jtv: so, is it working or not? :)
[05:50] <jtv> Not yet, not yet!
[05:51] <jtv> Can't wait to have some hardware for this stuff...
[05:54] <jtv> No, no, the change that triggers the API version of the imports doesn't seem to have landed yet...
[06:14] <jtv> Ahhh, found the cause: chmod.
[06:14] <jtv> Another easy fix.
[06:32] <jtv> My branch just passed the enlist-a-node test.
[06:36] <jtv> \o/  Test successful.  Landing.
[07:09] <jtv> bigjools, is this what you had in mind?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas-test/daily-option/+merge/215088
[07:10] <bigjools> jtv: boolean params always pique my interest
[07:11] <bigjools> they are nearly always better replaced with some sort of enumerated value
[07:11] <jtv> Very true, but it's the UI choice that matters here.
[07:11] <bigjools> --image-type=
[07:11] <jtv> What happens under the bonnet can be changed easily.
[07:11] <bigjools> ?
[07:11] <bigjools> and default to "release"
[07:11] <jtv> ?
[07:12] <bigjools> then it stays a little looser
[07:12] <jtv> I have similar misgivings about calling things types of things.  There are usually different aspects that you could call types.
[07:12] <bigjools> ok
[07:13] <jtv> This option is just a shortcut for an alternate config...  easier to improve once a real pattern forms.
[07:13] <bigjools> it was a rough suggestion, I'm open to options
[07:13] <bigjools> you *could* just take a whole simplestreams path
[07:14] <jtv> Yeah, but it's a lot more work for the user.  I figured that could be a next step in making it more flexible — if we need it.
[07:14] <bigjools> but remember that this API needs to stick after bootresources is gone
[07:15] <jtv> I see that as a reason to keep the UI as simple as possible: keeps it easy to change the whole implementation, even if we may later have to build a more flexible, more complicated way of doing the same thing.
[07:15] <jtv> Not hard to say "you can't specify --daily-images and a custom path" later, if/when we add an option for the latter.
[07:15] <bigjools> the mass-test UI would have to change if a new "type" was introduced
[07:15] <bigjools> it would not have to change in maas
[07:15] <bigjools> see my point?
[07:16] <jtv> Wait... what's the connection to maas?
[07:16] <jtv> I mean, maas would never know about any of this anyway.
[07:17] <bigjools> maas itself just cares about the url to the index
[07:17] <bigjools> "path" in the config
[07:17] <jtv> Yes, that's what I mean.
[07:17] <bigjools> it knows nothing about dailies/release
[07:17] <bigjools> I think maas-test should be the same
[07:17] <jtv> And that's the way I like it.
[07:17] <bigjools> me too
[07:17] <jtv> We can do that, but getting the right URL has been a bit of a pain in the past.
[07:18] <jtv> You know: "I have a URL to an index listing here, but how many path components do I need to strip off to get the URL that simplestreams wants?"
[07:19] <bigjools> my suggestion is to default the whole URL and allow knowledgeable users to override as they want
[07:19] <bigjools> dailies won't get used much after release, everyone will want to know if trusty works on their hardware
[07:19] <jtv> Okay.  It's an easy change — I just figured it was hard on the users.
[07:20] <bigjools> I would normally agree but I think the frequency of using this option will be limited to power users
[07:20] <jtv> What should I call the option then?  --image-stream?
[07:20] <bigjools> --image-stream-url
[07:20] <bigjools> ?
[07:20] <jtv> OK
[07:20] <bigjools> cool, thanks
[08:50] <jtv> rvba: if you want to use the API for starting the import job, that'll work now — but don't forget that the timeout for the BootImage records to appear will then have to cover the import time, not the report_boot_images interval.
[08:50] <rvba> jtv: not sure it's worth doing right now tbh.  It's a cleanup that can be done later.
[08:51] <jtv> OK, just a thing to keep in mind.
[08:51] <rvba> Yeah.
[08:51] <jtv> Because 10 minutes is a long, long time for the report_boot_images schedule... but not a lot of time to import images!
[08:51] <rvba> A very useful cleanup would be to avoid downloading the i386 images when it's not necessary.
[08:51] <rvba> Maybe I'll fix that.
[08:52] <jtv> That'd be great — look for "mipf" in the function name, in utils.py IIRC.
[08:52] <rvba> allenap: bigjools: jtv: gmb: just a reminder (in case I forget): just before the release we want to change the label of the Trusty images from 'daily' to 'release'.
[08:52] <jtv> That's what says "oh you asked for armhf?  I'll give you armhf/generic and throw in i386/generic as well."
[08:52] <rvba> I know.
[08:53] <jtv> Change the label?  Of already imported images you mean!?
[08:53] <rvba> No, the label for Trusty in /etc/maas/bootresources.yaml.
[08:53] <jtv> So Scott is going to throw the switch?
[08:55] <rvba> We probably need to get confirmation from him that the 'release' images for Trusty have been published.
[08:56] <jtv> Since AFAIR _all_ the images in the daily stream were labelled "daily," shouldn't we just use label "*"?  Saves us worrying about synchronicity.
[08:57] <rvba> Doesn't make a great difference.  We would still have to change the 'path.'
[08:58] <jtv> Is he going to change that as well!?
[08:59] <jtv> ISTM we can just put trusty under the "releases" source.
[08:59] <jtv> And just leave the label as *.
[08:59] <jtv> ISTM we can do that before the upstream data changes, with no ill effects.
[09:00] <bigjools> rvba: we need to change that ASAP well before the FF.  If there's a problem with images then we just ask someone to put images in release.
[09:00] <bigjools> did that make sense?
[09:00] <rvba> bigjools: I just checked and it seems the 'release' images for Trusty are already there.
[09:00] <bigjools> \o/
[09:00] <bigjools> JFDI then
[09:01]  * gmb -> getting breakfast; bbiab
[09:01] <rvba> Yep.
[09:01] <rvba> JFDoingI
[09:01] <bigjools> o/
[09:03] <allenap> rvba, jtv: https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/dhcp-leases-parsing/+merge/215112 is my work-in-progress for speeding up lease parsing.
[09:04] <allenap> It uses a regex to identify records, then it select only the latest ones, then it uses the full parser to break those apart.
[09:04] <allenap> It saves a lot of work when the leases file is large.
[09:04] <rvba> bigjools: btw, the upcoming (still waiting for the RT ticket to go through —hint, hint) api doc page has a toc: compare http://people.canonical.com/~rvb/maas-docs/api.html with http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/api.html
[09:05] <jtv> allenap: that's very little code indeed...  not sure what it does yet.
[09:05] <bigjools> rvba: can you go and pester them again for the RT please
[09:07] <bigjools> rvba: and the toc is a nice improvement, thanks
[09:07] <rvba> bigjools: we got a response on the RT, just no estimation of when it will be done.  I'll ask them about that.
[09:07] <bigjools> rvba: ok, thanks
[09:08] <rvba> Done.
[10:12] <jtv> rvba: did you want to make the change to how/where we import trusty?
[10:13] <jtv> If not, I can propose a quick branch.
[10:23] <rvba> jtv: I have a branch already.  I'm testing a package built from it right now.
[10:24] <rvba> jtv: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/use-release-trusty-resources/+merge/215114 WIP until I get confirmation that it's working as expected.
[10:26] <jtv> Why not just move the "trusty" selection under the other source?
[10:26] <jtv> I'm currently setting up for an import with that config btw.
[10:28] <rvba> jtv: yes, that would be even a bit simpler.  Fixing the branch now.
[10:31] <jtv> Oh dear.  Import fails while trying to write the meta file: snapshot directory does not exist!
[10:32] <jtv> I have a horrible feeling we haven't been getting any new dailies for a while, and so failed to notice some problem or other...
[10:34] <rvba> uh-oh
[10:36] <jtv> Just filed it as bug 1305758
[10:46] <jtv> Oh, another possibility I guess would be that there is simply nothing to download, and that this gets handled particularly badly in some cases.
[10:46] <rvba> jtv: the import doesn't seem to work now.  I only got the precise image.
[10:47] <jtv> Any tracebacks?
[10:47] <rvba> No, no traceback.
[10:47] <jtv> Spooky.
[10:48] <rvba> Like you said, maybe there is nothing to download.  Although the images seem to be there.
[10:49] <jtv> Probably identical to versions we already had...
[10:49] <jtv> And I don't see anything that would create that snapshot directory if there was nothing to download.
[10:49] <jtv> The code would try to write that maas.meta file, but the directory wouldn't exist.
[10:49] <jtv> I seem to remember that this was always a weakness in the code, actually.
[10:50] <rvba> jtv: the images seem to be there but clearly, the index file doesn't contain an entry for Trusty/release.
[10:50] <jtv> Maybe because the same file was already in there as Trusty/daily?
[10:50] <rvba> jtv: I guess I'll wait for smoser to come online and ask him about that.
[10:51] <jtv> Wow.  Latest images I have in cache are from March 31.
[10:53] <jtv> Uh-oh.  Deleting everything from /var/lib/boot-resources doesn't fix the problem either.
[10:53] <jtv> And it fails suspiciously quickly — within a second.
[10:53] <jtv> Maybe because it's hitting the caching proxy.
[10:54] <rvba> pdb time :)
[10:56] <jtv> When I put the daily trusty import back in (in addition to the release trusty) it seems to get going again.
[10:57] <jtv> But of course maybe it's just slower to fail because I made it download stuff.
[10:57] <jtv> I'm expecting to be called out soon.  May not have time to say so.
[11:13] <rvba> jtv: when importing (with the updated config) from a freshly installed package, I don't get a traceback.
[11:13] <jtv> !?
[11:13] <rvba> Only precise gets imported.  but no traceback.
[11:13] <jtv> Then I guess it may be getting confused because the same images are in different streams with different metadata...
[11:14] <jtv> Although then why did it keep failing for me when I deleted my cache & snapshots..?
[11:14] <rvba> I doubt that's the problem; like I said, there is no reference to Trusty/release in the index.
[11:15] <jtv> Oh, there still isn't?
[11:15] <jtv> Ah yes, see that.
[11:15] <rvba> No.  Again: the images seem to be there but there is no reference to them in the index.
[11:16] <jtv> So then the import procedure wouldn't find them...  I think.
[11:16] <rvba> That's the behavior I see.
[11:16] <rvba> Doesn't explain the bug you're seeing though.
[11:20] <jtv> But the behaviour you're getting sounds completely correct under the circumstances, so maybe it's just something weird in my setup.
[11:20] <jtv> After the ongoing import I'll try re-running it, and if that doesn't reproduce the problem, I'll try re-running but without the daily trusty source.
[11:20] <rvba> k
[11:21] <rvba> But like you said, this part of the code seems a bit fragile.  I'd be relieved if we could get to the bottom of this.
[11:23] <jtv> That's exactly why I'm trying to reproduce the problem.
[11:23] <jtv> Can't promise that it'll work.  :(
[11:46] <jtv> Ahhh, I've reproduced the traceback.
[11:46] <jtv> By commenting out the "daily" source.
[11:47] <jtv> Ah!  Maybe I understand why!
[11:47] <jtv> The snapshot directory gets created, "en passant" as it were, when <something> is downloaded from the simplestreams repo.  Not sure what exactly, but no downloads means no snapshot directory.
[11:47] <jtv> But then.
[11:48] <jtv> (Good thing I recently refactored this code — otherwise I wouldn't have understood it)
[11:48] <jtv> Then, the import code generates a yaml dump for the metadata it has downloaded from the repo, _in memory_, and compares it to what's in /var/lib/maas/boot-resources/current/maas.meta
[11:49] <jtv> If the two do not match, then something has changed, and so the import code decides that the new snapshot directory is worth keeping.
[11:49] <jtv> It writes a new maas.meta file in that snapshot directory.
[11:49] <jtv> Which, oops, does not exist because all that happened is that things disappeared.
[11:50] <jtv> I think the sensible thing to do is to create the snapshot directory.  Assuming the rest of the code behaves sensibly.
[12:00] <jtv> Oh dear.  The story just got weirder.
[12:00] <jtv> The metadata dict is empty.
[12:01] <jtv> That means that no matching products were found.
[12:35] <jtv> Bother.  All this time wasted on what is probably a syntax error.  I don't like yaml.
[13:17] <rvba> smoser: around?
[13:20] <rvba> jtv: gmb: allenap: is one of you taking care of https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/third_party_drivers/+merge/215065 ?
[13:21] <jtv> Not me, sorry!
[13:44] <allenap> rvba: Yeah, I was looking at it, but I’m not going to be able to review it until at least 1900 UTC.
[13:44] <rvba> allenap: I've written the tests.
[13:44] <allenap> roaksoax: ^ is that going to be too late.
[13:44] <allenap> rvba: \o/
[13:44] <rvba> allenap: I'm taking care of it unless gmb wants to review it :)
[13:44] <allenap> rvba: If gmb’s not around I think a selfie might be in order.
[13:45] <rvba> allenap: that's the plan
[13:54] <roaksoax> allenap: nope, we have until EOD today
[13:55] <roaksoax> allenap: i'll be pushing the release team toapprove this too while jhobbs finishes up some changes
[13:55] <roaksoax> allenap: all the hardcodede stuff (where the pPA is and stuff needs to go on a config file)
[13:56] <rvba> roaksoax: btw, we'd like to land https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/use-release-trusty-resources/+merge/215114
[13:56] <rvba> But it seems the images for Trusty/release are not included in the index file yet.
[13:56] <rvba> The simplestreams index that is.
[13:56] <roaksoax> rvba: so it would fail?
[13:56] <roaksoax> rvba: maas-improt-pxe-files would fail?
[13:57] <rvba> roaksoax: it would not fail for it would only import precise's images.
[13:57] <rvba> s/for/but/
[13:57] <roaksoax> rvba: so there's something weird
[13:58] <roaksoax> rvba: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7230893/
[13:58] <roaksoax> rvba: and it that diff I see: arches: ["i386", "amd64"]
[13:58] <rvba> roaksoax: what's weird?
[13:59] <rvba> roaksoax: the config file gets rewritten… but it's semantically the same.
[13:59] <roaksoax> rvba: ok
[14:01] <roaksoax> rvba: so, i'm thikning that sicne there no release for trusty yet
[14:01] <roaksoax> rvba: we could sru this, or tryu to get it post today?
[14:01] <rvba> roaksoax: SRU works for me.  It's a bit of a chicken and egg problem.
[14:01] <roaksoax> yeah
[14:01] <rvba> bigjools: see ;) ^
[14:03] <roaksoax> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/third_party_drivers_1.5/+merge/215185
[14:04] <rvba> roaksoax: approved (you can usually self-review simple backports)
[14:07] <roaksoax> rvba: thanks :)
[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: it does nee dot be manually uploaed right?
[14:49] <rvba> smoser: when are the Trusty/release images going to be available in the simplestreams index on http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral-v2/releases/ ?  i.e. should we land https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/use-release-trusty-resources/+merge/215114 as an SRU?
[14:58] <roaksoax> rvba: don't lanmd anything to 1.5 please
[15:01] <rvba> roaksoax: well, I'm not landing this unless the images are there, that's for sure.
[15:01] <roaksoax> rvba: thganks
[15:12] <fader> Hey folks, is there any documentation anywhere on authenticating against the REST API?
[15:12] <fader> I can use it properly from a web browser if I have logged into MAAS interactively already, but if I haven't logged in or try from a script I get something like "Unrecognised signature: GET list"
[15:12] <fader> Seems to be similar to: http://askubuntu.com/questions/402691/handling-ubuntu-maas-restful-api-login (and not covered that I see in the API docs)
[15:17] <rvba> fader: Hi, I just posted a reply to that question on askubuntu.com.  Although we know the documentation is a bit poor in this area, the example Python code should be you started.
[15:17] <rvba> fader: note that, if you're using Python, you can use the client library directly.
[15:19] <fader> rvba: Thanks, I'll take a look!  (Don't shoot me but I was planning to do it from PHP via its built-in URL grabbing as a prototype)
[15:20] <fader> I'm just trying to build a page that shows the status of multiple MAAS clusters as a proof-of-concept, nothing that will really be in production
[15:24] <tych0> hi smoser, roaksoax, it looks like maas defaults to syncing the daily ephemerals as well as the release versions
[15:24] <tych0> is that the way we are going to release it?
[15:25] <rvba> tych0: That was my question to smoser :).  We've got https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/use-release-trusty-resources/+merge/215114 ready to land.  But we're waiting on simplestreams having the right data.
[15:25] <tych0> oh, i see
[15:25] <tych0> rvba: yeah, cool
[15:27] <smoser> rvba, ?
[15:27] <tych0> rvba: so one thing i don't understand about that diff, can we not specify two releases in the same keyring path?
[15:28] <smoser> oh. i see.
[15:28] <smoser> i'd land it.
[15:28] <rvba> tych0: that's exactly what that branch does. The diff is a bit messed up.
[15:28] <tych0> or maybe a question better for smoser
[15:28] <smoser> well you're not going to have something labeled release until ... after release.
[15:28] <tych0> rvba: ah, ok
[15:28] <tych0> rvba: i am not that good at reading diffs :-)
[15:28] <smoser> so that would put you in the realm of SRU
[15:28] <rvba> smoser: okay, so I guess we will SRU this
[15:29] <rvba> tych0: this diff is particularly nasty
[15:29] <tych0> :-)
[15:29] <smoser> suck.
[15:29] <smoser> alright. so lets figure something out here.
[15:29] <smoser> i'll try to get something itnto daily today.
[15:29] <rvba> tych0: here is the file http://paste.ubuntu.com/7231245/
[15:30] <smoser> and we can test that, and then i think i'm willing to call somethinng release in this single case.
[15:30] <smoser> but we could also possibly call it "rc" or something
[15:30] <rvba> smoser: it's a bit of a chicken and egg problem.
[15:30] <smoser> and you allwo the label "rc"
[15:30] <smoser> label rc|release
[15:31] <rvba> smoser: that would work
[15:31] <tych0> rvba: cool, that's what i was thinking
[15:31] <smoser> i dont think its terrible either. and actually, since you have (poorly) only 'trusty' in that list, then its safe in the future.
[15:31] <smoser> i really dont like that you've only extended the number of places with hard coded release names though.
[15:32] <rvba> Not sure what you're talking about.
[15:32] <smoser> 'trusty'
[15:32] <smoser> you'll never see 'urban' (of 'urban unicorn')
[15:33] <smoser> when it would be better if you started pulling those things in (or at least allowed for that) when said unicorn was 'release' or 'rc'
[15:33] <smoser> maas should not have a database of ubuntu names.
[15:33] <smoser> thats what i'm complaining about.
[15:33] <rvba> I see.  This is a long-standing bug.
[15:33] <smoser> yes. and this config file extended the number of places where naems are typed.
[15:34] <smoser> i will work today
[15:34] <smoser> and try to get daily updated.
[15:34] <rvba> This file replaces two other files with these names in it.  So technically, it's one step into the right direction.
[15:34] <smoser> rvba, thats good.
[15:34] <smoser> *and* its user editable config
[15:34] <smoser> rather than source code
[15:34] <smoser> :)
[15:35] <smoser> i'll get daily updated today. and we'll get that tested and then will promote a trusty to 'rc'
[15:35] <smoser> and then you can land that patch tomorrow
[15:35] <rvba> See, there is your silver lining.
[15:36] <rvba> smoser: okay, please send an email to a maas ML when it's done.  Julian will probably be able to test and land the change to bootresources.yaml