[12:17] <Omni> could anyone help me with a prism2 usb wifi adapter and hostap?
[12:17] <KaiL_> wrong channel, that's someting for #ubuntu
[12:18] <KaiL_> +h
[12:18] <Omni> sorry
[12:24] <ogra> seb128, join #ubuntu-bugs, its for you :)
[12:24] <seb128> ogra: what is for me?
[12:25] <ogra>  #ubuntu-bugs :) should fell like home ;)
[12:25] <seb128> a bug squash without notice on the day where bugzilla.gnome.org box is beeing moved? no thanks
[12:25] <ogra> feel even
[12:31] <tseng> can someone remind me what UVF really means to me as a maintainer
[12:32] <ogra> tseng, no new upstream version
[12:32] <tseng> it would be sortof crap if I couldnt put in the next beagle
[12:32] <tseng> etc
[12:32] <ogra> tseng, only with approval
[12:32] <tseng> I see.
[12:38] <\sh> hmmm....can someone translate this for me: http://mnm.uib.es/gallir/posts/2005/06/24/343/
[12:40] <tseng> i do not like the stucture of Debian
[12:41] <tseng> the second sentence is harder :P
[12:41] <uniq> Too much democracy is sometimes bleak and it does not allow you to continue advancing.
[12:41] <uniq> says. babelfish.altavista.com
[12:41] <tseng> that sounds close
[12:41] <\sh> yes...but the comments are not making any sense to me ;)
[12:42] <restrex> sh me :)
[12:42] <restrex> \sh what do you want to know?
[12:42] <azeem> \sh: probably he says you have not much knowledge on how Debian works, if you think it's a democrazy
[12:43] <\sh> hmmm..i should learn spanish
[12:43] <\sh> so i can answer him ;)
[12:43] <restrex> \sh aprende pues ;)
[12:44] <restrex> well
[12:44] <\sh> hehe..I was surprised to get many hits from this site
[12:44] <restrex> there appears that somebody called Stephan Hermann
[12:44] <restrex> said that he doesn't like debian estructure
[12:47] <\sh> restrex: thx :)
[12:47] <ogra> \sh, he qoutes this: ...nd it's also a matter why I don't like the Debian structure. Too much of democracy is sometimes hopeless and stops you from going further.
[12:47] <\sh> ogra: jajaja ;) I know what I wrote ;)
[12:48] <restrex> there appears that somebody called Stephan Hermann said that he doesn't like debian estructure and said that it's so much democracy that sometimes doesn't allow you to advance
[12:48] <restrex> :)
[12:48] <restrex> sorry mi english \sh
[12:48] <restrex> :p
[12:49] <restrex> some comments are negative :)
[12:49] <ogra> restrex, which is very much out of context :) since he compares debian "democracy" to ubuntu "dictatorship"
[12:50] <ogra> this qoute doesnt credit that.... sadly
[12:51] <restrex> hmm the guy who posted says that ubuntu exits 'cause exits debian, and that kind of comments criticing debian it's not valid (im only translating him idea)
[12:51] <restrex> are not valid
[12:51] <daniels> and, indeed, ubuntu would not exist without debian
[12:52] <ogra> sure
[12:52] <\sh> and I never said, that debian is evil...(as one of my comments on my blog tried to say)...so I put it right in another article...anyways
[12:53] <ajmitch> the MOTUs would have a very hard time without debian, especially
[12:54] <\sh> I should drink some beer with martin in oldenburg...
[12:54] <restrex> \sh ye, he only wanted to critique you, 'cause there aren't so good argumentents, only a: "ubuntu exists 'cause exits debian"
[12:55] <restrex> that's only a debian fan comment, you have to understand that :)
[12:55] <restrex> on the commnets there are people that don't think like him :)
[12:58] <\sh> anylinux i forgot? well, yes, goingtobedlinux :)
[12:58] <Mithrandir> what about opensolaris?
[12:58] <restrex> wuahahha
[12:58] <\sh> so g'night :)
[12:58] <Mithrandir> \sh: sleep tight. :-)
[12:59] <\sh> Mithrandir: I'm a joerg schiling fan as well ,-)
[12:59] <Mithrandir> \sh: sick bastard. :-)
[12:59] <restrex> :o
[12:59] <\sh> Mithrandir: hahaha
[12:59] <\sh> Mithrandir: sad, that bsdi doesn't exist anymore...:(
[01:00] <\sh> so...off to bed
[01:00] <ajmitch> night \sh
[01:00] <Burgundavia> mdz, who would I talk to about wiki improvements?
[01:01] <ogra> Burgundavia, hno73
[01:01] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:01] <Burgundavia> mdz, nev ind
[01:01] <ogra> Burgundavia, there is a feature request wikipage
[01:01] <Burgundavia> ogra, yes
[01:01] <Burgundavia> ogra, I was talking with upstream moin about a feature
[01:01] <ogra> use it :)
[01:02] <Burgundavia> they liked it
[01:02] <ogra> ah
[01:02] <Burgundavia> said it would take about an hour of dev time
[01:02] <Burgundavia> I was wondering who to whinge to about paying that person (a moin dev) to do it
[01:54] <doko> ogra: about the bug squashing party ... there are still about 15 C++ libs not yet converted / buildable on breezy and about 500 reverse depends on libstdc++5 without an explicite build dependency on g++-3.3 or libstdc++5-3.4-dev.  Many of them are packages with patches in Debian, which are not applied in Ubuntu. The rest needs to be sorted out to C++ problem/xorg reorg problem/dpkg-architecture problem. I don't know if fixes for thes
[01:54] <doko> e kind of bugs are sexy enough, but you may want to propose them
[01:56] <mdke> doko, he just went to bed i think
[02:19] <lamont__> daniels: ping
[02:26] <lamont__> #0  0x083de64c in a52_free ()
[02:26] <lamont__> #1  0x083dd5cd in a52_block ()
[02:26] <lamont__> #2  0x081287a3 in a52_fillbuff ()
[06:12] <mpt> jdub: busy?
[06:16] <fabbione> morning
[06:24] <minghua> Hi, I am wondering how unstable is synchronized with breezy right now
[06:24] <minghua> since the freetype 2.1.10-1 in unstable is broken
[06:25] <minghua> see debian bug #314385 and #316031
[06:25] <minghua> breezy should stick to freetype 2.1.7
[06:25] <minghua> and wait for this to be sorted out
[06:26] <daniels> lamont: pong, ish
[06:26] <daniels> lamont: my laptop's hard drive blew up today, so I'm kind of limited
[06:26] <lamont> daniels: heh
[06:26] <lamont> ouch
[06:26] <daniels> and got to remember how to crimp cat5
[06:26] <daniels> it's about a 20m run from my desktop to the AP
[06:26] <lamont> was wondering if you could (in email, even) rattle off the list of packages that have been split out of xorg
[06:26] <minghua> hmm, maybe it should be "how breezy is synced with unstable"?  anyway, I think everyone understands me
[06:26] <daniels> lamont: in email, no
[06:26] <daniels> lamont: irc, yes (bear in mind my email lives on my laptop ...)
[06:27] <lamont> daniels: here is fine to, or in /msg
[06:27] <daniels> lamont: x11proto-*-dev, libxau, libxdmcp, libice, libsm, libx11, libxext
[06:27] <daniels> libxfixes, libxdamage and libxcomposite are next on my hit list
[06:27] <daniels> oh, also xtrans
[06:27] <daniels> and xterm
[06:27] <daniels> and xfonts-core :)
[06:28] <lamont> daniels: plan is to queue those ahead of xorg... and then pester you about what we really want to do about the ones that are non-PIC-in-shlib
[06:28] <daniels> lamont: hrm
[06:28] <daniels> surely libtool should take care of all this
[06:28] <lamont> minghua: breezy has  freetype_2.1.7-2.4ubuntu1, so manual effort will be required to get the debian version.
[06:29] <lamont> daniels: choices are (1) provide a .so, (2) provide a _pic.a, (3) don't link that lib
[06:29] <lamont> in at least some cases, it's really (1) but there's a missing build-dep
[06:29] <minghua> lamont: yes I saw that breezy is fine right now, I am just here to raise the alarm
[06:29] <lamont> er, "some cases" == some cases across the entire archive, not necessarily specifically xorg
[06:29] <minghua> lamont: I hope the developers are already aware of this
[06:30] <lamont> minghua: whoever does the merge will hopefully note that there are RC bugs in the debian version before they upload... if those debian bugs are RC, then they're already in ubuntu
[06:30] <lamont> er, in the bts, that is.
[06:30] <lamont> right then.  sleep
[06:31] <daniels> lamont: we already provide a .so
[06:31] <jdub> yo lamont
[06:31] <lamont> daniels: coolness
[06:31] <lamont> jdub: sup?  she's gonna kill me if I don't leave soon
[06:31] <minghua> lamont: Okay, there is a RC bug, so things should be fine.   I have some cool ubuntu stuff I'd like to blog ... and since I'm blogging about ubuntu 90% of the time anyway ...
[06:45] <jdub> whiprush: are you a member yet? (you should be)
[06:45] <whiprush> yep
[06:45] <jdub> ahr!
[06:45] <jdub> dude, why didn't you say? :)
[06:45] <whiprush> heh.
[06:46] <jdub> i'll add you now, but it has to wait on elmo love to update
[06:46] <whiprush> <3
[06:47] <whiprush> I've been kind of out of the loop, been doing lots of loco stuff locally.
[06:49] <nails> daniels, heya, decided to stalk you for an X question
[06:49] <nails> daniels, will R7 use regular pathnames - /usr/bin etc?
[06:51] <jdub> whiprush: added
[06:51] <jdub> elmo: please update planet -> can we work out something better for this?
[06:52] <whiprush> woo, thx.
[06:55] <daniels> nails: yeah, fo'sho
[06:55] <daniels> nails: no more /usr/X11R6
[06:56] <nails> sweet.
[06:56] <nails> sun will melt.
[06:57] <daniels> heh
[06:57] <daniels> well, we already started that with XF86Config-4 -> xorg.conf
[06:57] <daniels> the compromise was leaving it in /etc/X11
[07:10] <robitaille> jdub: for planet.u.c:   http://www3.telus.net/robitaille/hackergotchi.png
[07:18] <nails> daniels, ok, just as long as you make the new config file use m4
[07:18] <nails> ;^)
[07:20] <daniels> nails: usability++, yo
[07:35] <jsgotangco> whiprush: hey long time no see
[07:35] <whiprush> hey man
[07:36] <jsgotangco> what's keeping you busy other than the "Ubuntu loco" stuff i've been readin g in the log
[07:36] <whiprush> sheer ineptitude.
[07:36] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[07:37] <jsgotangco> go blam
[07:37] <jsgotangco> it just died but the notification icon still lives
[07:37] <whiprush> lesson #1 from UDU, don't say "oh sure, I'll help" when you don't have the time.
[07:39] <jsgotangco> it doesn't eat up that much time to help out (unless you're really swamped with real work)
[07:39] <whiprush> I plan on doing the bug day tomorrow (tomorrow for me), and starting to file down my todo a bit. Just been procastinating.
[07:40] <whiprush> on the plus side our LoCo's been growing. Up top over 20 people now.
[07:41] <jsgotangco> wow that's news
[07:41] <whiprush> It's kind of odd, I've ran into three C/GTK dudes in the past few weeks that are just "looking for a way to help."
[07:42] <jsgotangco> oh i know the feeling, i've encoutered those types recently
[07:42] <whiprush> So we're starting to organize activities around that. Hopefully get funding from my University to get us all to a GNOME thing in NY or Boston where I can point them to mentors or something.
[07:43] <jsgotangco> at least you have access to potential funding...
[07:45] <whiprush> heh
[07:47] <whiprush> We've been slowly converting professors over to Ubuntu for their research work. Hopefully they'll include Ubuntu in their biblios.
[07:47] <whiprush> All these math people seem to seek out linux for fortran compilers and whatnot, they're kind of ripe targets.
[07:50] <whiprush> jsgotangco: and how are things in the phillipines?
[07:51] <jsgotangco> major bummer dude, its like Watergate here in the political side
[07:51] <whiprush> Heh, I meant on the Ubuntu front.
[07:52] <jsgotangco> wiretapped materials on the president heh
[07:52] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:52] <whiprush> heh
[07:52] <jsgotangco> oh we had our loco running and will be sponsoring software freedom day
[07:52] <whiprush> good good
[07:52] <whiprush> we're doing an installfest on SFD here.
[07:52] <jsgotangco> on the docteam side, we'll be starting our regular meeting tommorow at 14UTC
[07:53] <whiprush> good good.
[07:53] <jsgotangco> that should end those CAN! CANNOT! threads on the list
[07:54] <whiprush> heh
[07:54] <whiprush> You guys did the wiki transition right? Your team?
[07:55] <jsgotangco> well not really, it was henrik's project he's a canonical guy but some people helped out on the transition scripts
[07:55] <whiprush> cool
[07:55] <ajmitch> hey whiprush, jsgotangco
[07:55] <jsgotangco> i don't really mess up with the former wiki but the moin wiki now is actually great
[07:55] <jsgotangco> it still has some bugs though
[07:55] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: hey
[07:55] <whiprush> hey aj
[07:56] <jsgotangco> (some people still like mediawiki though)
[07:56] <whiprush> I'm a mediawiki fan, but at this stage I'd settle for "don't change it again please."
  Send me some!
[08:55] <daniels> at that price, I'll take two
[08:56] <\sh> beginning of september I'll take 2 weeks off...but I need to think about the place where I want to stay...
[09:01] <\sh> ivoks: what r u doing from the 2nd of September +2 weeks? I think I need to visit croatia and need a place to sleep ;)
[09:01] <ivoks> :)
[09:02] <ivoks> \sh: 2 weeks? :)
[09:02] <ivoks> i think i'll be able to manage something...
[09:02] <\sh> ivoks: i don't really know...depends on my money ;)
[09:02] <\sh> one week minimum :)
[09:03] <ivoks> so... what's your motivation to come here? :)
[09:04] <\sh> ivoks: holiday :)
[09:04] <\sh> ivoks: u know this stuff: relaxing, reading, looking out for a new Mrs. \sh
[09:05] <\sh> forget the new Mrs. \sh
[09:06] <ivoks> :)
[09:06] <\sh> coffee first...
[09:06] <ivoks> well, i'm in continental part of croatia
[09:13] <cameron> hey
[09:14] <cameron> the ubuntu laptop team is in this channel, correct?
[09:14] <pitti_> Hi cameron
[09:15] <cameron> i am thinking about buying a powerbook, and i am wondering how compatable they are with ubuntu
[09:15] <cameron> what advice would you have for me?
[09:15] <cameron> hi pitti
[09:15] <cameron> hi pitti_ *
[09:15] <pitti_> cameron: #ubuntu
[09:15] <cameron> so sorry.. good day!
[09:15] <pitti_> cameron: well, many of us are using pbs, I'm using an iBook
[09:16] <cameron> is ther any of the hardware that is incompatable?
[09:16] <pitti_> cameron: the airport extreme doesn't work, but the rest works pretty well
[09:16] <cameron> i was planning on usin\g an orinoco anyway
[09:17] <fabbione> daniels: can we please get the xterm default colors back?
[09:17] <daniels> fabbione: can you what the what?
[09:17] <fabbione> daniels: xterm default colors are white fg and black bg
[09:17] <cameron> pitti, thanks for your help
[09:17] <fabbione> the latest xterm is fg black on greish bg
[09:18] <pitti> fabbione: btw, since breezy's 2.6.10 kernel has a lot of outstanding vulns, shall we demote it to universe?
[09:18] <daniels> er, xterm default colours are black fg, white bg
[09:18] <fabbione> pitti: we can just remove it
[09:18] <fabbione> pitti: completely
[09:18] <pitti> even better
[09:18] <fabbione> daniels: and get -rv to work again.. :)
[09:18] <fabbione> daniels: either one or the other ;)
[09:20] <daniels> fabbione: will check it out; -fg white -bg black should make you happy in the meantime
[09:20] <fabbione> daniels: yeah i did that already... :)
[09:21] <daniels> but yeah, upstream's default colours have been like that forever
[09:21] <fabbione> not in our xterm...
[09:22] <fabbione> i used to execute just xterm and get white fg and black bg
[09:24] <fabbione> the net is going to be highly unstable soon
[09:37] <pitti> Hey chmj, good morning
[09:37] <chmj> good morning pitti
[09:37] <pitti> chmj: could you check whether we can sync wget? the new debian version has security fixes
[09:38] <chmj> i already asked elmo for a sync
[09:39] <pitti> ah, thanks
[09:39] <infinity> Didn't ours have aun updated translation or two?
[09:40] <infinity> s/aun/an/
[09:43] <pitti> infinity: that should have been the translation from upstream, wasn't it?
[09:43] <infinity> Oh, yes.  It was.  Didn't realise that Debian had a new upstream version finally.
[09:44] <infinity> In that case, nevermind. :)
[10:14] <doko> infinity: the last batch of uploads reduced the libstdc++5 rdepends from 880 to 530. Now we know which packages need manual fixing.
[10:16] <infinity> doko : I noticed.
[10:16] <\sh> doko: cxx stuff?
[10:16] <doko> \sh: yes
[10:16] <\sh> 530 packs?
[10:17] <infinity> 530 rdeps.  Some may be from the same source packages.  Hopefully. :)
[10:17] <infinity> I've got 427 on powerpc...
[10:18] <infinity> That's a lot of i386-specific C++ packages... Or doko's count is old.
[10:20] <daniels> daniels@brainfreeze:~/Maildir% offlineimap -u Curses.Blinkenlights
[10:20] <daniels> offlineimap -u Curses.Blinkenlights  159.90s user 15.23s system 3% cpu 1:36:45.33 total
[10:21] <daniels> daniels@brainfreeze:~/Maildir%
[10:21] <daniels> thank god for mail backups, but that wasn't quick
[10:24] <doko> \sh: you are sure, you don't have old libraries installed on your system? apt-cache rdepends libstdc++5|wc -l counts 528, minus the two header lines
[10:37] <elmo> chmj: I don't have any record of a sync request for you from wget
[10:38] <Lathiat> elmo: pitti asked for one yesterday
[10:39] <Lathiat> ah,he said he asked
[10:40] <pitti> elmo: yes, I sorted that out with chmj, I asked before he uploaded ubuntu3. It can still be synced, though
[10:45] <pitti> seb128: does the gstreamer polypaudio sink work for you?   ZIPPY.
[10:58] <Lathiat> argh
[10:58] <ogra> ah
[10:58] <Lathiat> network manager sucks
[10:58] <Lathiat> if i have a cable in, it refuses,no matterhow many times i forceit bac, to stick on the wireless
[10:58] <daniels> elmo: at least it was zippy rather than btaf
[10:58] <ogra> yes it was late... i'll do better next time :)
[10:58] <Lathiat> imt rying to use my ethernet temporarilyto talk to abox im setting up
[10:58] <Lathiat> and its imposible
[10:58] <Lathiat> furthermore
[10:58] <Lathiat> i had to kill it 15 times before it stopped spawning itself
[10:59] <Kamion> apt 0.6.39ubuntu1> hoorah
[10:59] <Kamion> elmo: can we get the extraoverrides patch applied on the ftp-masters?
[11:00] <Kamion> (er, both machines, I mean)
[11:00] <hunger> Why is python2.4-numarray trying to install gcc-3.4-base?
[11:00] <daniels> Kamion: we can patch ftp-masters?
[11:00] <Kamion> patch omnic < useful.patch
[11:01] <daniels> Kamion: damnit man, get out of my head
[11:01] <Kamion> haha
[11:02] <elmo> damn, you guys are HARSH
[11:03] <Kamion> elmo: we learnt from the master
[11:04] <daniels> Kamion: now if only we could patch elmo
[11:04] <daniels> -tuna
[11:04] <daniels> -saveloys
[11:04] <daniels> +vegetables
[11:07] <Mithrandir> daniels: while for you it would be:
[11:07] <Mithrandir> -bling
[11:07] <Mithrandir> +working x
[11:07] <Mithrandir> ?
[11:10] <daniels> hey
[11:10] <daniels> x works fine
[11:11] <Lathiat> daniels: you back?
[11:13] <Mithrandir> daniels: so we can patch you with bling again? :-)
[11:21] <daniels> Lathiat: hm?
[11:21] <daniels> Mithrandir: everyone loves bling
[11:22] <Lathiat> daniels: from whereever you were hiding making people do dodgy xorg uploads for you :)
[11:22] <daniels> oh, germany
[11:22] <daniels> hey, I didn't ask for any of those
[11:22] <Lathiat> sure but you werent there to stop them! :)
[11:31] <\sh> pitti: ping
[11:31] <\sh> thom: ping
[11:31] <pitti> \sh: boonngggggg
[11:31] <\sh> pitti: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4679
[11:33] <ogra> pitti, it boog day ! you'll see all this dusty old stuff today :)
[11:34] <pitti> \sh: I know about that, warty is still vulnerable
[11:34] <\sh> pitti: ok...and a backport from hoary to warty?
[11:34] <pitti> \sh: the pending warty update fixes some 20 vulns, but has a regression that needs to be sorted out first
[11:35] <\sh> pitti: k thx 4 the info :)
[11:35] <pitti> \sh: thanks to you guys for cleaning up :-)
[11:35] <pitti> oops, I was thrown out of #u-bugs
[11:37] <seb128> just curious, who has decided to do a bug day today?
[11:40] <ogra> seb128, mdz, kiko and me
[11:40] <seb128> k, bad choice guys
[11:40] <ogra> seb128, we didnt know about the gnomeaoutage
[11:40] <seb128> just picking the day where gnome.org is down
[11:40] <seb128> you point that for bug triage
[11:40] <seb128> and there is no way to do desktop bug triage
[11:40] <seb128> yeah
[11:40] <ogra> seb128, but google chache works... you just cant change gnome bugs, but read them at least
[11:41] <seb128> no communication is bad
[11:41] <ogra> seb128, its only the initial bugday... we'll have more of them
[11:41] <seb128> somebody would have send a mail 2 days ago ...
[11:41] <seb128> yeah, but still
[11:42] <seb128> why keeping that private until the bug day ?
[11:42] <seb128> I've read about the bug day when the topic has been changed here ...
[11:44] <ogra> seb128, sorry, i planned to announce it earlier... it just didnt work, and its also a bad day for me, since i have to prepare for the edubuntu summit... we'll do better next time, for now we have at least the institution of a bug day...
[11:44] <ska-fan> What's the other images in the directory with the isos for the cds that hp ships with its notebooks? HP ships the 0516 version, what are the newer versions?
[11:46] <hunger> Who is working on the laptop task for breezy?
[11:47] <ogra> hunger, mjg59
[11:47] <hunger> mjg59: My laptop (T43p) does not work very well. What can I do to help fix it?
[11:48] <ogra> hunger, there was a announcement of a laptop testplan on the -devel mailling list... with a link to a wikipage ...
[11:48] <Kamion> ska-fan: HP will be shipping newer versions
[11:48] <hunger> ogra: I'll check...
[11:48] <Kamion> ska-fan: we sent 20050627 to the factory for pressing on Monday
[11:49] <Kamion> ska-fan: some of the older ones were a different project, that was fully integrated into Hoary
[11:53] <HiddenWolf> Kamion, is it expected that they'll ship ubuntu in some volume?
[11:53] <HiddenWolf> And how in the lords name did you manage to get in there? :D
[12:02] <Lathiat> Kamion: 2 million hoary cds?
[12:03] <seb128> rofl
[12:03] <ogra> heh
[12:03] <Lathiat> oh sory
[12:03] <Lathiat> 20 million!!! ?
[12:09] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: I believe so; I've just been doing the image production, though - I haven't been involved in discussions beyond that
[12:09] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: no idea, but I'm not complaining :-)
[12:11] <HiddenWolf> Kamion, rock on. :)
[12:11] <HiddenWolf> But they're shipping breezy? :S
[12:11] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: no, slightly modified hoary
[12:11] <Kamion> mjg59's been doing a bunch of hacking for their laptops
[12:12] <HiddenWolf> right, cool
[12:12] <Kamion> ska-fan: I'm told the 20050516 image was sent out to magazines as a preview
[12:13] <ska-fan> Kamion: Ah. So when I need one such CD, and am not getting one from HP, I just use the latest one
[12:13] <ska-fan> ?
[12:13] <jordi> did I read 20 million?
[12:13] <Lathiat> jordi: thats what i read
[12:13] <ogra> jordi, yes, someone said that
[12:13] <jordi> where?
[12:13] <Lathiat> jordi: and 50 thousand ;p
[12:13] <HiddenWolf> Kamion, so can you say their laptops are fully supported?
[12:14] <ogra> jordi, <Kamion> ska-fan: we sent 20050627 to the factory
[12:14] <Lathiat> ogra: that many what, specifically
[12:14] <ogra> $$ ?
[12:14] <ogra> :)
[12:14] <jordi> ogra: err, that's not a quantity, but a date?
[12:14] <ska-fan> that's 2005-06-27 = 1972
[12:15] <ogra> hehe
[12:15] <Kamion> ska-fan: well, you won't be getting one from HP *just* yet because they haven't been pressed yet - it's not HP's fault :)
[12:15] <ogra> jordi, it was a joke, yes
[12:15] <Kamion> ska-fan: 20050627 should be fine, though, yes
[12:15] <jordi> ogra: I'm veeery slow today
[12:15] <jordi> ogra: I just said on a ml that apt 0.6 verifies sigs in .debs :)
[12:15] <ska-fan> Kamion: but the notebooks without windows aren't available yet, too :/
[12:15] <ogra> jordi, dont worry.... blame the heat :)
[12:15] <Kamion> ska-fan: I don't know anything about that
[12:16] <ogra> jordi, i read debian-gtk-gnome ;)
[12:16] <Kamion> Lathiat: oh, er, yes, that was a date, not a number
[12:16] <jordi> ogra: ok :ppp
[12:17] <ogra> :)
[12:17] <azeem> and see whether ntfs is in there
[12:17] <azeem> eh, sorry
[12:17] <jordi> ogra: we need to chat about that presentation I'm leading with JaneW.
[12:17] <fabbione> and there... new cluster crack all over the place
[12:18] <ogra> jordi, have you had a look at my first proposal ?
[12:18] <jordi> ogra: for apps? yeah. It nearly matches our (LliureX) selection
[12:19] <ogra> jordi, http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop
[12:19] <jordi> I wanted to add a few comments in the iki, but had no time last night
[12:20] <ogra> i'm still looking for a easy gui backup tool.... there is absolutely nothing...
[12:20] <ogra> i hoe we get a good one with the bounty....
[12:20] <ogra> hope even
[12:21] <seb128> fedora has alsa a bounty for this
[12:21] <seb128> s/alsa/also/
[12:21] <ogra> seb128, geat to hear
[12:21] <ogra> great
[12:21] <jordi> ogra: yeah, the SoC bounty hopefully helps
[12:22] <ogra> i found uberbackup that looks quite good, but sillyness of the world, its written in realbasic...
[12:22] <ogra> http://www.mooncheese.org/projects/uberbackup/
[12:23] <azeem> nice name, though
[12:23] <ogra> and realbasic source is binary o_O you can only see the real source in the realbasic editor....
[12:24] <jordi> my mom just told me my grandfather is about to die. Better like this... :/
[12:24] <ogra> :(
[12:25] <fabbione> Kamion: i need a fast breefing on d-i if you have time
[12:25] <jordi> wow, realbasic is braindead then
[12:25] <ogra> jordi, absoultely...
[12:25] <Kamion> fabbione: sure?
[12:25] <ogra> binary sources *shakes head*
[12:25] <fabbione> Kamion: i need to start hacking around partman-auto-lvm.. can i still install it as custom udeb (udpkg -i) and get it to run properly?
[12:26] <fabbione> Kamion: if so.. when it's the best moment to do it?
[12:26] <fabbione> (i can use netinstall for sake of speed)
[12:26] <Kamion> fabbione: udpkg won't work properly because templates won't get registered with cdebconf if you do that; use the boot parameter anna/choose_modules=partman-auto-lvm
[12:26] <Kamion> fabbione: but use a scratch machine with nothing valuable on its disks ;-)
[12:27] <fabbione> Kamion: that will use the default... what if i need to use a custom one?
[12:27] <fabbione> Kamion: yeah clearly i am not going to play with it on my ws :)
[12:27] <Kamion> as long as you install the default one first, you can do udpkg -i after that
[12:27] <Kamion> providing you don't change templates
[12:27] <fabbione> i hope i won't need that
[12:28] <Kamion> sorry, we haven't quite managed to figure out how to get debconf-loadtemplate to tell the running cdebconf instance about the new templates - it all gets confusing
[12:28] <fabbione> oh it's ok.. i just need to know the way :)
[12:28] <Kamion> failing that, fake up a mirror with your custom udeb
[12:28] <fabbione> i am not scared of messing round
[12:28] <fabbione> around even
[12:28] <fabbione> mirror fake isn't an option here...
[12:29] <Kamion> no local mirror?
[12:29] <fabbione> yes, but it's in use by the sparc buildd
[12:29] <Kamion> cp -al :)
[12:29] <fabbione> ahha
[12:29] <Kamion> you only need the udebs, anyway
[12:29] <fabbione> or lvm snapshot?
[12:30] <Kamion> or that ...
[12:30] <fabbione> yeah one or the other.. let me try the standard install first ;)
[12:31] <fabbione> lunch time anyway
[12:31] <fabbione> thanks "d-i allmighty"
[12:31] <fabbione> ;)
[12:34] <Kamion> er, right :)
[12:38] <jordi> ogra: have you explored pythoncad?
[12:39] <ogra> jordi, i've looked at the screenshots quite often
[12:39] <ogra> but never tried it
[12:40] <ogra> jordi, can it cope with qucad (usability wise) ?
[12:40] <ogra> s/qucad/qcad
[12:41] <jordi> ogra: *nod*. We planned using pythoncad, but we know little about CAD stuff so we can't evaluate it too well.
[12:41] <jordi> qcad has the qt dep which is annoying here.
[12:41] <jordi> ogra: I don't really know how advanced it is, but there's pythoncad releases every few weeks
[12:41] <ogra> yep, i know, but i havent found anything similar yet ... at least nothing i would consider mature enough
[12:42] <jordi> yeah, I fear pycad would be a bit too simple.
[12:42] <ogra> the same with scribus... passepartout is coming along great, but still feels too young
[12:42] <jordi> even so, could be enough for our current scope - schools and high schools
[12:43] <jordi> yeah, we ship passepartout, but it not good enough yet.
[12:43] <tseng> they are both better than nothing
[12:43] <tseng> consider that
[12:44] <ogra> tseng, scribus isnt "nothing"
[12:44] <tseng> imagine shipping nothing and trying to do it in the gimp
[12:44] <jordi> re: bluefish, well, NVU is WYSIWYG, while bluefish is "launch your web browser" :)
[12:44] <ogra> as well as qcad
[12:44] <hunger> Is there a reason why I must bring up eth0 before being able to log into gnome?
[12:44] <jordi> tseng: scribus is pretty cool actually.
[12:44] <jordi> hunger: have the lo interface up?
[12:44] <ogra> jordi, the people want dreamwaver... nvu is the nearest i guess
[12:45] <hunger> jordi: Yes, that was up before I tried.
[12:45] <fabbione> Kamion: it's a good start... i can see it gets downloaded, but it doesn't kick in at all :P
[12:45] <tseng> hunger: is your hostname in /etc/hosts pointing to the eth0 ip?
[12:46] <hunger> tseng: Nope... only <IP_ADDRESS> is listed there.
[12:46] <Kamion> fabbione: you don't get a "Use free space for the Logical Volume Manager" menu entry?
[12:47] <seb128> pitti: debian has polypaudio? that's new?
[12:47] <Kamion> fabbione: check for /lib/partman/automatically_partition/60vg_all_free/choices - you might like to hit that with 'set -x' or something
[12:48] <Kamion> fabbione: oh, and yay, I have a network interface again ;)
[12:48] <jordi> seb128: yeah, got in a week ago or so
[12:48] <hunger> I can not log onto gnome on my rather fresh breezy install:-(
[12:48] <fabbione> Kamion: no.. i don't get that option..
[12:49] <fabbione> Kamion: yeah dude.. the yesterday's marathon was just to get that in :)
[12:49] <jordi> ogra: what about oregano for electronics'
[12:49] <jordi> ogra: I'll bring my full list to london so we can discuss
[12:49] <ogra> jordi, yeah...
[12:49] <ogra> jordi, i havent thought about electronics yet...
[12:50] <doko> elmo: please sync java-gcj-compat from incoming. after that, java-gcj-compat-dev needs to be moved out of the NEW queue, and to main (no added stuff, pitti already did look at it). there's currently one package uploaded b-d on java-gcj-compat-dev (gjdoc), so it should be pulled in from the seeds.
[12:50] <mdke> hunger, #ubuntu might be able to help you with that
[12:50] <hunger> mdke: Good point... thanks.
[12:50] <ogra> doko, join #ubuntu-bugs, go and push your C++ stuff ;)
[12:51] <Kamion> nggg, apt is broken
[12:51] <fabbione> Kamion: oh here it is.. now i do get the option...
[12:51] <fabbione> Kamion: i had to do some weird crack tho...
[12:51] <Kamion> doesn't surprise me ...
[12:52] <jordi> ogra: gcompris, childsplay for games
[12:52] <jordi> ogra: I'll put this up in the wiki comments
[12:52] <ogra> jordi, oh, i forgot that... had gcompris on my initial list
[12:53] <seb128> jordi: the PTS is b0rked?
[12:55] <fabbione> Kamion: if what is the real status of that package.. there will be quite a lot of work to be done :)
[12:55] <Kamion> fabbione: sure, it's a prototype
[12:55] <fabbione> cool
[12:55] <fabbione> i love crack
[12:55] <fabbione> food is ready
[12:55] <Kamion> fabbione: I'm sure you could get commit access to d-i if you wanted to hack on it there
[12:55] <Kamion> or I can just commit your patches, whatever :)
[12:56] <seb128> jordi: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=polypaudio&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all !?
[12:56] <fabbione> Kamion: we will see how far i can go first.. i don't mind splitting up patches in simple bits
[12:57] <Kamion> seb128: that's not the PTS
[12:57] <Kamion> packages.debian.org is an entirely different system - the PTS is packages.qa.debian.org
[12:58] <seb128> Kamion: I know, when I said PTS that's it http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/polypaudio.html returning a 404
[12:58] <seb128> Kamion: but I don't find it either on packages.debian.org
[01:00] <Kamion> cjwatson@newraff:~$ madison -r .\*polypaudio.\*
[01:00] <Kamion> cjwatson@newraff:~$
[01:00] <Kamion> it's in queue/new
[01:00] <hunger> Why on earth does gnome need to write into /usr to start?
[01:01] <seb128> what gnome?
[01:01] <seb128> Kamion: oh, k, thanks
[01:01] <hunger> seb128: The one currently in breezy.
[01:01] <pitti> seb128: polypaudio is still in Debian's NEW
[01:01] <seb128> hunger: define gnome
[01:01] <hunger> seb128: I can only login after mounting /usr rw.
[01:01] <seb128> weird
[01:01] <pitti> seb128: I maintain it together with otavio, but the first upload was only ~ 1 week ago
[01:03] <hunger> seb128: Try mounting /usr rw...
[01:03] <seb128> pitti: k, I'm waiting to put the polypaudio sink for Debian too
[01:03] <mdke> vuntz, ok we will
[01:03] <hunger> seb128: I further need to bring up eth0 for the panel to work.
[01:03] <seb128> hunger: it's rw
[01:04] <hunger> seb128: Try remounting /usr ro and try again.
[01:04] <mdke> vuntz, ah sorry wrong chan ;)
[01:04] <seb128> hunger: for the panel I doubt of that, or you have an applet waiting on the network ...
[01:05] <hunger> seb128: Possible...
[01:05] <seb128> anyway no need to write to /usr or to have eth0
[01:05] <hunger> seb128: After starting gnome once with /usr mounted rw it is fine to have mount /usr ro again.
[01:08] <Mithrandir> Duck_Happy: thanks for the bug, btw.
[01:11] <hunger> seb128: Try this: reboot, mount /usr ro, restart gdm, log into gnome.
[01:12] <seb128> lemme try
[01:12] <hunger> seb128: You will get a brown background, the progress indicator won't show.
[01:12] <hunger> seb128: stop gdm, start gdm, mount /usr rw, log into gnome: All works fine.
[01:13] <ogra> hunger, he left
[01:14] <vuntz> hunger: does it freeze loading an applet ?
[01:14] <ogra> hunger, weather applet ? (or something similar)
[01:14] <vuntz> (while loading an applet)
[01:15] <hunger> ogra: vuntz: seb128 suggested the applet idea.
[01:15] <vuntz> hunger: what applet do you have on your panel?
[01:16] <hunger> vuntz: I just installed breezy... whatever that has by default.
[01:16] <hunger> vuntz: I get nothing in the upper right corner...
[01:16] <vuntz> hunger: ok. And is nautilus running ?
[01:16] <seb128> works fine with /usr ro
[01:16] <hunger> vuntz: How do I find out?
[01:16] <vuntz> hunger: right click on the desktop and see if you have a popup menu
[01:17] <hunger> seb128: It doesn't here.
[01:17] <hunger> vuntz: Yeap, I get that.
[01:17] <hunger> vuntz: I can access the CDROM via its icon as well.
[01:18] <hunger> vuntz: It does freeze if I try to eject the cdrom though.
[01:22] <vuntz> hunger: so, you have a panel at the top of your screen. On this one, what can you see ?
[01:23] <hunger> vuntz: Applications, system, etc on the left, nothing on the right.
[01:23] <vuntz> hunger: do you have a panel at the bottom?
[01:23] <hunger> vuntz: The lower has the Desktop thingy on the left and a pager and waste basket on the right.
[01:25] <hunger> seb128: This is even weirder than I thought: It works with /usr mounted ro all the time, but I need to login once, restart gdm and log in again.
[01:26] <hunger> seb128: The secound time round the panels show up (first time there isen't even a startup notification), but it stays frozen.
[01:27] <vuntz> hunger: can you launch gconf-editor?
[01:29] <hunger> seb128: third login: everything works fine, applets show up, can eject cdrom.
[01:30] <hunger> vuntz: Now I can... but this time the applets showed all up.
[01:31] <vuntz> hunger: so the panel is working?
[01:34] <hunger> vuntz: Yeap, after restarting gdm twice it works after logging in the third time (first login: black background only, secoud time: applets missing, third time: all is fine).
[01:35] <hunger> s/black/brown/
[01:36] <vuntz> hunger: so everything is perfectly working ;-)
[01:36] <hunger> vuntz: really strange this...
[01:47] <jordi> mvo: have you seen your synaptic changelog? mvo: have you seen your synaptic changelog?
[01:47] <mvo> jordi: pffff ... you can't peeve me with that :P
[01:48] <mvo> it was so importend that it was worth mentioning twice :)
[01:48] <\sh> dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar'
[01:48] <\sh> Entpack-Befehl dpkg-source -x gdome2-xslt_0.0.6-7.dsc fehlgeschlagen.
[01:48] <jordi> mvo: I see :) BUT DON'T TOUCH MY PRECIOUS STRINGS
[01:49] <mvo> *cough* ... it shouldn't be too bad *cough*
[01:49] <Kamion> \sh: upgrade dpkg
[01:49] <Kamion> dpkg-dev, rather
[01:50] <jordi> mvo: not *too* bad.
[01:50] <\sh> huu?
[01:50] <mvo> jordi: how many this time?
[01:50] <\sh> ajnew updates ;)
[01:50] <jordi> 644 missatges traduts, 15 traduccions difuses, 4 missatges no traduts.
[01:51] <mvo> oh well ...
[01:51] <seb128> jordi: go go go translate
[01:51] <seb128> lazy guy
[01:52] <jordi> I'm so unmotivated to translate lately
[01:52] <seb128> pffff
[01:52] <seb128> go go go upload GNOME 2.10.2
[01:52] <mvo> jordi: there is this _huge_ package description string repository :)
[01:52] <seb128> or BTS clean, that's actually a good idea :)
[01:52] <seb128> :p
[01:54] <jordi> mvo: is the Recommends file a file named like that, or can I translate?
[01:54] <mvo> jordi: can you give me the context please?
[01:54] <jordi> msgid "Bad regular expression '%s' in Recommends file."
[01:55] <mvo> jordi: I think it should be left untranslated (the whole string). I'm sorry that a error message like this sneaked in again
[01:56] <mvo> this is something that a user should never ever see
[01:56] <jordi> msgid "could not open recommends file %s"
[01:56] <mvo> same, sorry :/
[01:56] <jordi> should this stanza have a capitalization?
[01:56] <jordi> that's what made me doubt.
[01:56] <azeem> 4
[01:56] <azeem> *sigh*
[01:57] <ogra> azeem, switching TV channels through Xchat ?
[01:57] <jordi> seb128: no dude you clean the bts
[01:57] <seb128> jordi: no way
[01:57] <azeem> ogra: forgot the /w in front of it
[01:57] <ogra> :)
[01:57] <jordi> seb128: I have a better idea, I'm goign to interview you.
[01:57] <jordi> Now.
[01:57] <azeem> ogra: irssi anyway, of course :)
[01:58] <mvo> jordi: I removed both strings from being translatable
[01:58] <jordi> mvo: should this other message have it in capitals?
[01:58] <mvo> jordi: just ignore both messages, the user will never see them and they will be gone in the next version. sorry for the trouble
[02:00] <Duck_Happy> Mithrandir: was i right ?
[02:01] <Mithrandir> Duck_Happy: yeah, I got two other errors reports on the pkg-config list already too.
[02:01] <Duck_Happy> Mithrandir: ho ok, i though i was perhaps too tired, but was unable ot build new panel, and sad
[02:03] <Mithrandir> Duck_Happy: http://incoming.debian.org/ has the fixed package.
[02:03] <Duck_Happy> Mithrandir: great :-)
[02:03] <Mithrandir> Duck_Happy: I've asked it to be synced into ubuntu too, so we should see it RSN.
[02:04] <Duck_Happy> Mithrandir: nice, seb128 is gonna be happy
[02:05] <Duck_Happy> Mithrandir: thanks :-)
[02:08] <jordi> mvo: ok, ready.
[02:09] <mvo> jordi: already? that was quick (/me is impressed)
[02:09] <jordi> and sent :)
[02:10] <mvo> jordi: thanks!
[02:20] <\sh> Kamion: thx. helped
[02:22] <jordi> seb128: I promise this time it'll be a short and fun interview
[02:22] <seb128> no no
[02:22] <seb128> interview ross :p
[02:23] <jordi> seb128: but people want to read about you.
[02:23] <jordi> just a few questions and we're done
[02:24] <AwayWolf> jordi, don't forget to take naughty pictures. -> "Seb128, famed hacker exposed!"
[02:24] <jordi> AwayWolf: I have a few good ones.
[02:24] <seb128> NO
[02:25] <jordi> I still have a pending blog entry about how seb128 compares to some famous French fiction character.
[02:26] <Keybuk> silly question, I'm sure, but why is there no l-r-m for 2.6.12-3-686 ?
[02:27] <AwayWolf> I'd imagine daniels is swamped with just making X work atm...
[02:32] <daniels> variety of reasons
[02:34] <Lathiat> daniels: do suse have some kind of xserver optimizations?
[02:35] <Lathiat> daniels: it seems to load up stupidly fast when i hit ctrl=alt+backsapce
[02:36] <daniels> the only optimisations going around that I know of are ours
[02:36] <Lathiat> hm
[02:36] <Lathiat> maybe just whatever manager they are using loading really fast is fooling me
[02:37] <Treenaks> Lathiat: KDM
[02:37] <Treenaks> Lathiat: (at least, on my suse)
[02:37] <Lathiat> Treenaks: i assumed so, why do they have no /etc/init.d/kdm ?
[02:38] <Treenaks> Lathiat: because they're silly.. look in /etc/inittab
[02:38] <Lathiat> its started from inittab?
[02:38] <Lathiat> baha, thats almost as bad as djb
[02:38] <jordi> seb128: seb come on, look at #gnome-debian.
[02:39] <Treenaks> Lathiat: oh wait
[02:40] <Treenaks> Lathiat: it has S13xdm in rc5.d for me
[02:40] <Treenaks> Lathiat: so it's using xdm
[02:40] <Lathiat> oh
[02:40] <Lathiat> see i sawthat
[02:40] <Lathiat> thats evil
[02:40] <Lathiat> heh
[02:43] <seb128> mvo: could you document what you change when you sync some packages with Debian? That's easier to know what the ubuntu changes are and for the next sync
[02:43] <doko> mdz, wasabi: libxerces2-java FTBFS, even when using jikes
[02:43] <seb128> just mention the changes/patches with the Changelog ...
[02:43] <seb128> doko: do you know when cairo will be updated for Debian ?
[02:44] <mvo> seb128: yes, sorry
[02:44] <seb128> mvo: no need to be sorry :)
[02:45] <doko> seb128: sorry, no. it's not in the NEW queue?
[02:46] <seb128> doko: no
[02:47] <seb128> doko: but since you said there is no hurry because it requires a new gtk too I thought you were working on it
[02:47] <seb128> thanks
[02:47] <doko> seb128: no, the libgcj GTK peers need the new cairo, and the new GTK.  I asked you a question!
[02:49] <jordi> #gnome-debian is waiting.
[02:49] <seb128> no
[02:50] <seb128> interview ross I said
[02:50] <jordi> he doesn't ping back. It's you!
[02:50] <seb128> I don't ping back neither :p
[02:50] <jordi> 14:50 < seb128> interview ross I said
[02:50] <jordi> hmm.  It's only two easy questions I want to ask!
[02:52] <seb128> jordi: sorry but I've some real work to do :p
[02:53] <jordi> I could use that too...
[02:54] <jordi> seb128: this is not the end, sbastien bacher. I will be back.
[02:55] <seb128> :)
[02:58] <Treenaks> Nobody expects the Catalan inquisition?
[03:29] <melodie_> hello :)
[03:33] <JanC> is there a known problem with esd in breezy or is it just my system that's fucked up ?  :-/
[03:34] <Treenaks> JanC: both ;)
[03:34] <Treenaks> I guess
[03:34] <cogumbreiro> lol
[03:34] <cogumbreiro> JanC: esd works on my system, i updated it yesterday
[03:35] <melodie_> I just found out a trick about burning and wish an advise
[03:36] <melodie_> I could not burn datas anymore for seveval weeks with error "wrong encoding chain caracters" message
[03:37] <melodie_> I just found out why when I did a 'ls -l' on one of the sub-repertories I could not burn:
[03:38] <melodie_> there was a hidden backfile matching a file I had moved
[03:38] <melodie_> but
[03:38] <melodie_> :)
[03:38] <melodie_> it was totally invisible, save in the shell
[03:39] <melodie_> should it be reported as a bug ?
[03:39] <melodie_> and if so, rather in Bugzilla or to Gnome ?
[03:44] <JanC> I installed polypaudio & that works
[03:46] <pitti> JanC: good to hear :-)
[03:47] <JanC> programs were hanging when trying to create (or use?) a pipe to esd or something like that
[03:48] <JanC> (I have no real experience using strace)
[04:14] <[hawk] > Hello!
[04:15] <[hawk] > I'm Vincenzo Di Massa... one of the Google Summer of Code students...
[04:26] <bddebian> Hello
[04:43] <hunger> fabbione: Sorry, forgot to attach a patch to #12065. Just attached one.
[04:44] <fabbione> hunger: please do...
[04:44] <hunger> fabbione: I just did:-)
[04:45] <fabbione> hunger: what kind of attachment is that one?
[04:45] <hunger> fabbione: It's a bzip2'ed diff file.
[04:45] <fabbione> ok
[04:46] <hunger> fabbione: Oh, sorry, I was not aware that the description will end up as the name.
[04:47] <fabbione> hmm it's a bit intrusive patch.. where did you get it?
[04:47] <hunger> fabbione: tpmdd.sf.net.
[04:48] <fabbione> ok.. i will need to see if a) build b) doesn't break the ABI
[04:48] <fabbione> if it breaks the abi i will have to queue it together with some other major changes
[04:48] <hunger> fabbione: The tpm driver in the kernel assumes all kinds of things to be static to whatever kylene uses;-)
[04:48] <fabbione> hunger:-EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(tpm_time_expired);
[04:49] <fabbione> this is an ABI change
[04:49] <hunger> fabbione: This is what was changed when people started to shout;-)
[04:49] <fabbione> if other modules are using tpm_time_expired than it's an issue :)
[04:49] <hunger> fabbione: Other modules shouldn't do it.
[04:50] <fabbione> well we will see :
[04:50] <hunger> fabbione: So far nothing uses it but the trousers lib (which is userspace and not in ubuntu yet) afaik.
[04:51] <fabbione> hunger: an automatic test build will tell... :)
[04:51] <hunger> fabbione: I am sure the change will make it into the vanilla sources soon.
[04:51] <fabbione> hunger: if it will hit upstream soon, the better...
[04:55] <elmo> kamion: will you cry if I demote 2.6.10?
[04:56] <fabbione> elmo: kill it
[04:56] <fabbione> elmo: and kill 2.6.11 please
[04:56] <fabbione> elmo: d-i uses .12 now
[04:56] <elmo> kill as in remove from the archive kill?
[04:56] <fabbione> elmo: yes
[04:56] <elmo> well, I'd like sign off from kamion; I'm scared of his vicious high kicks
[04:56] <fabbione> the default is .12
[04:58] <elmo> killed 2.6.11 in the meantime
[04:58] <Kamion_> elmo: fine by me
[05:01] <elmo> killing l-r-m 2.6.10 too
[05:01] <ogra> elmo, killer
[05:02] <elmo> uh
[05:02] <pitti> cool, that will clean up ubuntu-cve
[05:03] <elmo> uh, did someone reorganize l-r-m?
[05:03] <elmo> we seem to have 2.6.12 packages, but not built from l-r-m source and nothing is claiming to build all the non l-r-m packages (nvidia, x* etc.)
[05:04] <tseng> elmo: lrm isnt built for 2.6.12 yet
[05:04] <ogra> elmo, we have no l-r-m for 2.6.12 yet
[05:04] <fabbione> elmo: daniels was going to look at it
[05:04] <fabbione> elmo: we have still a few problems to solve related to the compiler
[05:05] <elmo> linux-restricted-modules-386 |   <IP_ADDRESS> | breezy/restricted | i386
[05:05] <elmo> tseng/ogra: :-P
[05:05] <elmo> fabbione: hum, ok, I'll leave l-r-m alone then
[05:05] <pitti> ogra: isn't that from linux-meta?
[05:06] <pitti> erm, elmo^
[05:06] <elmo> probably
[05:06] <fabbione> elmo: you can kill l-r-m for .10 in breezy
[05:06] <ogra> pitti, yep.... and linux-meta was modifiaed afaik
[05:06] <fabbione> there is no point
[05:06] <elmo> fabbione: I'd rather not - it'd make them NEW, etc.
[05:06] <elmo> I'll kill it when we have 2.6.12 replacements
[05:06] <fabbione> elmo: ok, but .10 are useless without .10 kernel
[05:06] <fabbione> you really can't use them in .12
[05:07] <elmo> yah, I know, it's purely a ease-of-archive-maintenance thing
[05:07] <fabbione> linux-meta is ok :)
[05:07] <fabbione> elmo: eheh eok
[05:09] <elmo> Kamion: dude, what's up with your ADSL?
[05:09] <elmo> you're scaring me off of metronet
[05:10] <chrissturm> is it known that the .12 kernel doesnt work with ipw2100 (at least with wep) ?
[05:10] <mdz> seb128: I thought you were there during the discussion where we proposed this Wednesday...when was the gnome outage announced?
[05:10] <pitti> Hey mdz
[05:11] <seb128> mdz: I've not noticed anybody announcing a data
[05:12] <seb128> mdz: the GNOME outage is known for around 10 days I would say
[05:12] <fabbione> chrissturm: yes.
[05:19] <chrissturm> fabbione, is it fixable? i saw someone fixed it by compiling the ipw2100 driver himself: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-bugs/2005-June/001820.html
[05:29] <Kamion_> elmo: I'm beginning to conclude that it's nothing to do with Metronet; my router is actually rebooting all the time, not just losing line sync
[05:30] <elmo> ah
[05:33] <fabbione> Kamion_: is that a linksys router?
[05:33] <fabbione> elmo: can you kindly NEW the kernel for sparc?
[05:33] <elmo> fabbione: already did
[05:33] <fabbione> thanks
[05:38] <robitaille> Kamion_:  did  you ever looked again at bug 2727 (see last comment there from you)?  I cannot reproduce it on my Hoary install
[05:48] <mdz> Kamion_: sorry about the apt breakage; I made the changes in a different tree from the one where I made the release from :-/
[05:49] <doko> Kamion_: some MOTUs want to fix C++ bugs. which is the easiest way to tell (for universe packages), which are out of date?
[05:50] <hunger> doko: kexi is broken due to gcc transition (*hint* *hint*)
[05:51] <doko> hunger: fix it ;)
[05:51] <bddebian> doko: According to the wiki most if not all are done
[05:51] <doko> bddebian: not the library list
[05:51] <bddebian> Hmm
[05:51] <ogra> hunger, we are looking at easy to fix targets, that require one or two small dependency changes and a rebuild
[05:52] <doko> bddebian: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition
[05:53] <hunger> Yahoo, wireless utils are 28pre8 now! So I no longer need to roll my own.
[05:55] <bddebian> doko: 99% of that list has a patch in Debian, unless it has been updated in the last day or two
[05:57] <doko> bddebian: it should be 100%
[06:17] <madduck> bddebian: now it seems to work. I am ordering you a copy, ok?
[06:17] <bddebian> Awesome, thanks!
[06:18] <madduck> $69.40
[06:18] <madduck> is that okay?
[06:18] <madduck> it's worth it... :)
[06:18] <bddebian> If you pay for it. ;-P
[06:18] <bddebian> Nah, that's fine
[06:18] <madduck> ha ha.
[06:18] <bddebian> That includes shipping?
[06:18] <madduck> yessir
[06:18] <madduck> but not credit card charges
[06:18] <madduck> they may be 1% or so
[06:18] <bddebian> NP
[06:18] <madduck> for international
[06:19] <madduck> ok. pressing ok
[06:19] <madduck> 10... 9...
[06:19] <madduck> 8... 7...
[06:19] <bddebian> Is that $69.40USD or Euro
[06:19] <madduck> USD
[06:19] <bddebian> Cool, press it man, press it! :-)
[06:19] <madduck> 4... 3...
[06:19] <madduck> 2... 1...
[06:19] <madduck> BOOOM
[06:19] <madduck> done
[06:19] <bddebian> Sweet
[06:19] <bddebian> ANd that should arrive in about a year?  ;-P
[06:22] <Kamion> elmo: looks like it's netgear that're thpethul - downgrading router firmware seems to have helped matters, touch wood
[06:22] <madduck> bddebian: http://rafb.net/paste/results/0bwJaS89.txt
[06:22] <daniels> mdz: any comments on the seen flag with preseeding issue?
[06:23] <elmo> kamion: DOWNgrading?? what router do you have?
[06:23] <Kamion> daniels: what's that?
[06:24] <daniels> Kamion: matt's seeing auto_answer stomping all over his layout when he preseeds stuff
[06:24] <Kamion> elmo: dg834g. 1.05.00 bad, 1.04.01 good. enormous thread at http://forum1.netgear.com/support/viewtopic.php?t=1366 about it
[06:24] <daniels> Kamion: so preseeding foo/bar=baz appears not to set the seen flag of foo/bar, afaict
[06:24] <daniels> either that or I'm on crack and -33 will fix it
[06:24] <bddebian> madduck: :-)
[06:25] <Kamion> daniels: preseeding has always set the seen flag - it's only recently that it's even been possible to preseed something without setting the seen flag
[06:25] <bddebian> madduck: Was that before you copied it?? ;-)
[06:25] <daniels> Kamion: crack wins the day!
[06:25] <madduck> bddebian: nah, i only pasted it to #hax0rz-lair
[06:25] <Kamion> daniels: of course, maybe I'm assuming that he's using the standard preseeding code
[06:26] <bddebian> madduck: Sweet, thanks! :-)
[06:26] <Kamion> mdz: are you using debconf-set-selections, or manual db_set etc.?
[06:26] <mdz> Kamion: in which context?
[06:26] <mdz> oh, xorg
[06:26] <mdz> I'm doing SET through debconf-communicate
[06:26] <Kamion> and not FSET?
[06:27] <Kamion> (and why debconf-communicate?)
[06:28] <mdz> Kamion: it didn't seem wise to source confmodule in an init script
[06:29] <mdz> Kamion: and no, I don't use fset in that bit at the moment
[06:29] <Kamion> ok, sounds like an easy fix then
[06:29] <Kamion> I think you might be the first person to attempt to use debconf from an init script
[06:36] <mdz> Kamion: so I just need to set the seen flag, and everything will work as I expected it to originally?
[06:36] <mdz> auto_answer seems insane to me though
[06:37] <mdz> it's wrapping appropriate logic which already exists in debconf for using the default if the question isn't asked
[06:37] <daniels> not quite
[06:37] <Kamion> mdz: dunno, was really just answering daniels' question about preseeding - I thought he was talking about the preseed package at first
[06:38] <daniels> mdz: it will pick a sensible default dynamically, which you can't do otherwise
[06:38] <Kamion> there's no easy way in debconf to set the default to something different than is in the templates file
[06:38] <daniels> i agree in general the code is crack, but there are worse abominations than auto_answer
[06:38] <daniels> to be fair, the seen flag really is the best metric for 'has this question been answered?'
[06:41] <Kamion> yeesh, we've switched to libiw28?
[06:41] <Kamion> nobody told the installer :-/
[06:42] <mdz> Kamion: oh, substitutions aren't valid in the default field?
[06:42] <daniels> mdz: anyway, once you do that, force_keyboard_redetection (later to be autodetect_keyboard) should be sweet
[06:42] <Kamion> mdz: no, Debconf::Question::value() does not do _expand_vars()
[06:42] <daniels> does anyone here actually have i810 desktop hardware?  need to test a (rather belated) hoary update before I uplaod it
[06:42] <mdz> Kamion: is there a good reason for that?  this isn't the first use case that has come up
[06:43] <Kamion> mdz: I imagine dynamic defaults weren't envisaged originally
[06:43] <mdz> this stuff is in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(and the ltsp source package) if anyone's curious
[06:43] <Kamion> so SET would have been sufficient
[06:43] <zanaga> Kamion: which package should i report a bug of floppy module being constantly re-installed during installation?
[06:43] <Kamion> now I guess I'd be slightly concerned about breaking compatibility, although hopefully nobody's actually put "${...}" in a default without meaning it to be a variable
[06:44] <Kamion> zanaga: it's already reported, and should be harmless except for slowing stuff down a bit
[06:44] <zanaga> Kamion: yeah, it's harmless. But it's starting to get on my nerves =)
[06:44] <Kamion> mdz: well, I mean dynamic defaults in combination with reconfiguration
[06:48] <Kamion> mdz: hmm, apt 0.6.39ubuntu4 is an odd almost-no-op upload and removed my changelog entries from 0.6.39ubuntu{2,3}
[06:50] <mdz> Kamion: you missed the error message in apt-key, and it was easier to reapply my changes from the other tree than to debdiff.  I'll merge in the changelog entries
[06:51] <mdz> Kamion: changelog entries are restored in arch
[06:51] <mdz> I wonder if apt is hct-able
[06:58] <pitti> elmo: please sync ruby1_8 1.8.2-9 from incoming
[07:03] <elmo> is this going to kill my amd64 buildds again? :P
[07:10] <Lathiat> haha
[07:13] <pitti> seeeeeeeeb!
[07:14] <pitti> seb128: any idea where the gnome games went to? I have gnome-games installed, but the package is empty and there's nothign in the menu
[07:14] <pitti> seb128: surely a GTK bug, but I'd wanted to ask anyway *duck*
[07:14] <seb128> pitti: are you sure it's installed?
[07:14] <seb128> pitti: and not rc?
[07:15] <pitti> huh?
[07:15] <pitti> purge-ok-installed
[07:15] <pitti> $ LANG=C sudo apt-get install gnome-games
[07:15] <pitti> gnome-games is already the newest version.
[07:15] <pitti> WTF??
[07:15] <elmo> infinity/fabbione/thom: apache2 can't run separate virtual hosts as different users right?
[07:16] <elmo> [and can apache1.3]
[07:16] <seb128> pitti: funny :p
[07:16] <thom> no, no
[07:17] <pitti> seb128: sorry for bothering, but that doesn't look right...
[07:17] <tseng> elmo: the only way i know of apache running with seperate prililages is suexec
[07:17] <tseng> elmo: which is also evil
[07:17] <thom> elmo: as tseng says, you can run cgis as different users with suexec
[07:17] <tseng> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/suexec.html#model
[07:17] <tseng> suid, boo, hiss
[07:18] <seb128> pitti: no worry :)
[07:18] <pitti> seb128: install --reinstall did the trick
[07:18] <maswan> so, are the apache folks planning on solving this in a better way then?
[07:19] <seb128> pitti: cool
[07:20] <daniels> elmo: theoretically, you could do this sort of thing with perchild
[07:20] <daniels> but perchild is thpethul
[07:21] <daniels> seb128: i just fixed about 30 functions with unchecked arguments in xcursor.  this is your fault.
[07:21] <seb128> thanks :)
[07:22] <elmo> daniels/tseng/thom: thanks
[07:23] <whiprush> ogra: have you gotten much feedback on gnome-power?
[07:25] <jordi> the name is cool
[07:25] <ogra> whiprush, not much yet
[07:26] <whiprush> is it mature enough for me to test out? (ie does it work?)
[07:29] <ogra> its good for showing the battery state for now, orthe stuff will get waved in soon
[07:30] <ogra> it needs some integration love ut does no harm, try it :)
[07:30] <ogra> but even
[07:37] <StoneTable> mvo:  would you mind if I wrote a patch for bug 12226?
[07:38] <mvo> StoneTable: IIRC this is fixed already, could you please check?
[07:39] <mvo> StoneTable: could you please verify if it is still a problem. if you, a patch is very welcome of course :)
[07:40] <StoneTable> There were still issues with it as of this morning
[07:40] <torkel> mvo: it is not fixed in 2.59-0.2ubuntu3
[07:42] <mvo> torkel: ok
[07:44] <mvo> a patch is welcome then :)
[07:44] <StoneTable> okay, I'll tackle that next then, and attach the patch to the bug report
[07:44] <mvo> great, thanks!
[07:45] <torkel> StoneTable: if you need anyone to test the patch let me know
[07:45] <StoneTable> okay, cool, thx
[07:46] <torkel> my python knowledge is less than desirable or I would have given it a try myself
[07:51] <chuck_> 3/window 3
[08:00] <daniels> elmo: could you please install libglide2-dev in concordia/hoary-i386?
[08:02] <elmo> daniels: done
[08:02] <daniels> thanks
[08:02] <elmo> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=157270
[08:02] <elmo> is fascinating and disturbing reading
[08:03] <daniels> Kamion: so, uhm
[08:03] <daniels> Kamion: sort of discovered a bit of a brown-paper-bagger at linuxtag
[08:03] <daniels> Kamion: intel i915 hardware is listed as vesa still within discover1-data.  which means unaccelerated desktops.
[08:04] <daniels> Kamion: if we drop a one-line change (which I uploaded to breezy recently) into hoary, whenever people next update xserver-xorg, their config will get rewritten to use i810 and thus have an accelerated desktop (2D as well as 3D).
[08:04] <daniels> Kamion: is that worth a hoary-update?
[08:04] <daniels> noting that d1-data is trivially small
[08:06] <daniels> crap
[08:07] <daniels> elmo: bzip2 pls
[08:07] <daniels> elmo: or just all the xorg b-ds in general
[08:07] <elmo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:07] <Kamion> daniels: seems reasonable to me; I suppose we can tell people to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:07] <elmo> for xorg?
[08:08] <elmo> and bzip2 is installed?
[08:08] <daniels> Kamion: sure
[08:09] <daniels> elmo: blah, must've landed in the middle of an apt run or something, because concordia/hoary-i386 was telling me to install bzip2
[08:10] <doko> pitti,elmo: please could you promote java-gcj-compat-dev to main?
[08:11] <pitti> doko: I can't
[08:12] <lamont> pitti: and here I had been impressed with your new super-powers.
[08:12] <elmo> daniels: sorry, yeah, I did a sly dist-upgrade
[08:13] <pitti> lamont: they still have to grow, I'm afraid :-)
[08:13] <daniels> elmo: ahr
[08:13] <daniels> elmo: nothing can escape my roving eye
[08:13] <doko> pitti: but you can approve it?
[08:14] <Kamion> java-gcj-compat-dev seems not in need of approval, unless it has vast wodges of new deps
[08:15] <pitti> Kamion: AFAIU it was just a package split
[08:16] <pitti> doko: didn't I already do that yesterday? it's a no-brainer
[08:17] <Kamion> doko: promoted
[08:19] <Kamion> hooray, CD build actually debootstraps successfully now
[08:19] <daniels> nice :)
[08:20] <Kamion> be grateful for small mercies
[08:28] <doko> Kamion: thanks
[08:40] <daniels> seb128: xcursor uploaded
[08:46] <Kamion> sigh, I still get "Error" "failed to initialize HAL"
[08:46] <Kamion> pitti: any ideas? this is a fresh install
[08:47] <Kamion> .xsession-errors says:
[08:47] <Kamion> ** (gnome-session:29555): WARNING **: Host name lookup failure on localhost.
[08:47] <Kamion> and shortly afterwards a complaint from g-v-m that HAL is not running
[08:47] <Kamion> dunno whether the localhost thing is related though
[08:47] <Kamion> and 'host localhost' works fine
[08:48] <ska-fan> Got localhost in /etc/hosts ?
[08:49] <Kamion> yes
[08:49] <Kamion> default install, dude :)
[08:49] <daniels> elmo: i think concordia would like a biger disk
[08:50] <Mithrandir> like 666G instead of 66G?
[08:52] <daniels> yeah
[08:56] <ogra> Mithrandir, uhh devlish
[09:01] <daniels> oh, bloody hell
[09:01] <daniels> elmo: any chance we could blacklist xresprobe from syncs?
[09:16] <mxpxpod> seb128: ping
[09:16] <seb128> mxpxpod: pong
[09:17] <mxpxpod> seb128: I filed a bug yesterday against gnome-panel regarding libwnck and the workspace switcher... have you read it yet?
[09:18] <seb128> the stuff fixed with a rebuild ?
[09:18] <mxpxpod> yeah, a rebuild of libwnck
[09:18] <seb128> no clue of the issue
[09:18] <seb128> works fine for me on i386
[09:18] <seb128> and no other bug about that
[09:18] <seb128> any explanation of the bug?
[09:19] <mxpxpod> it's really strange, but it affects gnome-power as well
[09:19] <mxpxpod> seb128: it must only be on powerpc
[09:19] <mxpxpod> seb128: what do you mean?
[09:20] <seb128> any idea of why it bugs?
[09:20] <seb128> I've no bug from other ppc users
[09:20] <seb128> and we have for sure other ppc users
[09:20] <seb128> Kamion, pitti: do you run the current gnome-panel on ppc?
[09:22] <mxpxpod> no clue... just that error on the command line that I put in the bug
[09:22] <mxpxpod> that's really strange
[09:23] <seb128> Kamion, pitti: that's about #12241
[09:25] <mxpxpod> seb128: also, the workspace switcher applet's preferences gives me an error about an invalid schema
[09:26] <seb128> are you sure than the packages are correctly installed?
[09:26] <seb128> what error exactly?
[09:26] <mdz> daniels: the easiest way to prevent it from syncing would be to upload a -ubuntuN version
[09:26] <mxpxpod> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/display_all_workspaces' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_88/prefs/display_all_workspaces' stores a non-schema value
[09:26] <mxpxpod> Failed: Failed: Schema `/schemas/apps/workspace_switcher_applet/prefs/num_rows' specified for `/apps/panel/applets/applet_88/prefs/num_rows' stores a non-schema value
[09:27] <daniels> mdz: it seems horribly wrong, though, given that we're the upstream version that debian makes modifications (that we do not want to sync) to
[09:27] <daniels> mdz: i.e. the debian packager would always need to be one revision down
[09:28] <mxpxpod> seb128: ok, I just re-installed gnome-panel-data and did a gconftool-2 --shutdown
[09:28] <mxpxpod> and then pkilled gnome-panel and it works fine now
[09:29] <seb128> weird
[09:29] <mxpxpod> yeah
[09:29] <seb128> imho that's a local problem during the package install on your box
[09:30] <mxpxpod> ok, I'm going to try re-downloading the libwnck packages and see if that fixes my issue
[09:30] <mxpxpod> seb128: it probably is... maybe gconf was still running when I installed, or something
[09:30] <seb128> the packages reload the gconf base when installing keys
[09:30] <seb128> so that should not be an issue
[09:31] <mxpxpod> nope, re-downloading the libwnck packages from ubuntu doesn't help
[09:31] <mxpxpod> seb128: hmmm... maybe the postinst didn't run correctly
[09:31] <seb128> possible
[09:36] <mxpxpod> anyway, I'm really not sure what's up with libwnck... I'm getting that error:
[09:36] <mxpxpod> /usr/lib/gnome-panel/wnck-applet: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.16: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0ff77fc8 for symbol `malloc' out of range
[09:36] <mxpxpod> I downloaded the source of libwnck and recompiled and the recompiled packages don't give me that error
[09:49] <mdz> daniels: yeah, I guess that would be awkward too
[09:59] <pitti> seb128: no, I don't
[09:59] <seb128> k
[09:59] <seb128> any idea about the "/usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.16: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0ff77fc8 for symbol `malloc' out of range" ?
[10:06] <bryanf> seb128: just so you know, this is mxpxpod
[10:07] <seb128> k
[10:07] <bryanf> did kamion respond?
[10:07] <seb128> no
[10:07] <bryanf> ok
[10:07] <bryanf> that's such a strange bug... I'm not sure if it has something to do with gcc-4.0 because I haven't used it enough
[10:18] <mxpxpod> seb128: will you be online later tonight?
[10:18] <seb128> depending of "later"
[10:19] <mxpxpod> seb128: around 8:00 CDT
[10:19] <seb128> what is CDT?
[10:19] <seb128> maybe 1-2 hours from now before sleeping
[10:19] <mxpxpod> central standard time on daylight savings
[10:19] <mxpxpod> darn
[10:19] <daniels> seb128: slacker
[10:19] <seb128> is that american?
[10:19] <mxpxpod> seb128: yeah
[10:19] <seb128> daniels: shut up :p
[10:34] <Kamion> seb128: sorry, don't know, I haven't been quite current on powerpc for a while
[10:34] <seb128> k, np
[10:35] <Kamion> anyone else have any clue about the hal thing?
[10:35] <seb128> what hal thing?
[10:35] <Kamion> should I ignore it for the purposes of Colony 2?
[10:35] <Kamion> 19:46 < Kamion> sigh, I still get "Error" "failed to initialize HAL"
[10:35] <Kamion> 19:47 < Kamion> .xsession-errors says:
[10:35] <Kamion> 19:47 < Kamion> ** (gnome-session:29555): WARNING **: Host name lookup failure on localhost.
[10:35] <Kamion> 19:47 < Kamion> and shortly afterwards a complaint from g-v-m that HAL is not running
[10:35] <Kamion> 19:47 < Kamion> dunno whether the localhost thing is related though
[10:35] <Kamion> 19:47 < Kamion> and 'host localhost' works fine
[10:35] <Kamion> dialog when logging into GNOME after a default install
[10:36] <seb128> weird
[10:36] <daniels> gtk bug and all that
[10:37] <seb128> I've the same warning about localhost here but not hal issue
[10:37] <seb128> I guess that's not the same issue
[11:35] <hughsie> ogra: ping?
[11:36] <ogra> hughsie, hi
[11:37] <hughsie> ogra, you done any work on gnome power manpage? I was hoping to release 0.0.6 this week and wondered if you want me to include it upstream?
[11:37] <ogra> hughsie, nope, i must prepare my talks etc for the summit on the weekend, i cant do much this week
[11:38] <ogra> hm
[11:40] <hughsie> ogra: sorry about that - you'll piss yourself laughing when you hear what I just did..
[11:40] <ogra> tell me :)
[11:41] <hughsie> testing the low battery notification in gpm, but forgot to put the ac back in. The warning was copletely disregarded!
[11:41] <ogra> you played with gpm
[11:41] <ogra> :(
[11:41] <hughsie> anyway, whats the verdict on the manpage?
[11:42] <ogra> hughsie, i must prepare my talks etc for the summit on the weekend, i cant do much this week, probably tomorrow evening in the hotel ...
[11:43] <hughsie> dont worry about it mate, i wondered if it was ready to go..
[11:45] <ogra> no, i havent done much beside watching porn pages ( i have to talk about content filtering and had to test squidguard configs)
[11:45] <hughsie> ogra: lol !
[11:45] <ogra> but thats an awful thing, lots and lots of false positives
[11:45] <hughsie> like?
[11:46] <ogra> http://www.veganporn.com/
[11:46] <ogra> :)
[11:46] <ogra> nearly all parental control software advertising pages ...
[11:46] <maswan> woudl http://porno.acc.umu.se/ be caught?
[11:46] <hughsie> lol, not cool..
[11:47] <ogra> lots of stuff where porn is mentioned without being a porn site... even some church pages
[11:47] <maswan> (hey, that was selected Geek site of the day, 15 of May 1996!)
[11:47] <ogra> maswan, yep
[11:48] <ogra> 403 :)
[11:55] <hughsie> ogra: on gnome-power-devel we are discussing whether the icons in gpm should be generated on the fly (like now, with an overlay)
[11:55] <hughsie> or just taken from a set of icons that could be themed
[11:55] <hughsie> David Zeuthen is very keen on the seporate icons idea, and i just wondered on your view
[11:56] <ogra> could you get it upstream (hicolor-theme) ?
[11:56] <ogra> so a default set is always in there
[11:56] <hughsie> yes, not a problem.
[11:56] <ogra> i saw the thread btw :)
[11:56] <hughsie> gotcha
[11:57] <ogra> i would go a themed way, to make it easier for icon designers and distros to adjust it to their needs
[11:57] <hughsie> thats what david said.
[11:57] <ogra> yep
[11:58] <hughsie> but i'm not sure about creating circa 50 icons for al the different devices and states
[11:58] <ogra> thats easy with gimp... you normally have only one background with a handfull of variants
[12:00] <hughsie> point. so you would say go with david?
[12:00] <hughsie> what about making it configurable?


[14:05] <ahoneybun[m]> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061
 @Rick_Timmis @DarinMiller @Valoriez Mamarok we need to have a meeting about that announcement. Sitter does not seem to be happy with the move and I believe we need to make a blog post confirming that we voted on it. I made the call to sign it on the thought process that we couldn't say no so that is on me.
[22:05] <Fallen> I'd like to renew my offer to have a conversation about this topic with anyone from the KC individually or in a group. Looking forward to finding a constructive solution with you!
 This response really resonates with me (I don't think I could have done a better job myself): https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061/9
[22:54] <valorie> from what I got from reading up, sitter is most disturbed by the lack of communication from us
[22:55] <valorie> unsure if a meeting is what we need, or a shared document we put together about the changes
[22:55] <valorie> IMO rik is NOT going to make any changes in Discover
[22:56] <valorie> and since he's stepping back right now, we do face some decisions
[22:58] <valorie> agreed, that's a good response but it doesn't cover the challenges WE face right now
 Our current challenges would be here no matter the choice that was made but currently @tsimonq2 could make this change if requested.
[22:59] <valorie> it's easy for me to say that everyone should just work together and "git 'er done" but I'm not a packager etc.
 This is more about showing a united front from the Kubuntu side about the change.
[22:59] <valorie> hmmm
[23:00] <valorie> unsure we *have* a united front
[23:00] <valorie> I wish rik was part of this conversation
[23:01] <valorie> @ahoneybun I think it's true that we don't have a choice going forward
 I believe Fallen has no issue making an email chain, I'm trying to figure that out since I don't have a way to reply using my Kubuntu email
[23:01] <valorie> IMO it is also important that we allow our users good choices
[23:02] <valorie> for me, that's flatpak right now
[23:02] <valorie> rik was our link with the neon crew too
 Flatpak can still be installed and I think the blog could cover installing it if needed or wanted.
[23:03] <valorie> right, I realize that
 It can be done though Discover as a GUI
[23:04] <valorie> and if I recall correctly I had to enable that in Discover back in the day
[23:04] <valorie> even though I work in the cli half the time
[23:04] <valorie> discover is nifty because it does all the updates in one go
 I believe it is night for Fallen so he'll have to catch back up with us once it is next awake.
[23:06] <Fallen> As you can imagine this isn't something I take lightly, so I'm not quite in bed yet. Let me know how I can help.
[23:08] <valorie> @ahoneybun AFAIK your @kub.org email is just a forwarding address
[23:09] <valorie> you can make your mail client make it look like you are replying with it
[23:09] <valorie> otherwise it only really works in LP groups
[23:09] <ahoneybun[m]> Mm not with Proton mail without more access
[23:09] <ahoneybun[m]> I'll see what I can do.
[23:10] <valorie> in LP you can login and respond to that official stuff in there
[23:10] <valorie> as I recall
[23:10] <valorie> in gmail I just set up a "reply as" and make it say whatever
[23:11] <valorie> but it's not really from kub.org etc.
[23:11] <valorie> usually good enough to not break threads tho
[23:17] <ahoneybun[m]> I think that email worked?
[23:20] <ahoneybun[m]> So it sent an email to each person oof why is this more difficult.
[23:42] <Mamarok> Sorry, apparently I missed a few things, Should I have gotten a mail explaining what this is about?
 I just tried another email


[16:38] <ogra> https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-are-we-improving-firefox-snap-performance-part-1
[18:03] <oerheks> simply updating after boot, makes snaps start faster,no?


[21:34] <Phie[m]> Hi there ! I'm experiencing latency issues and weird cracks with latest 5.13.0-32-lowlatency kernel, I had to revert to 5.13.0-30-lowlatency, anybody experiences that with Ubuntu 21.10 ?
[21:56] <tomreyn> !bug | Phie[m]