[15:01] <balloons_> first freeze of season is coming!
[15:03] <mhall119> bring it on
[15:03]  * balloons_ just planted some things :-(
[15:03] <mhall119> also, shouldn't you be working? slacker
[15:04] <balloons_> I usually let that balloons guy do the work
[15:04] <mhall119> heh, good thinking


[05:34] <mlankhorst> morning
[05:37] <RAOF> Howdie.
[05:46] <mlankhorst> still talking to danvet, before I really woke up this time, not a good idea :)
[06:09] <mlankhorst> but the alternatives are worse, heatwave here :/
[06:18] <mlankhorst> Anything i can work on that doesn't require much logical thought today?
[06:25] <mlankhorst> oh right, could look at vdpau blobs again :)
[08:58] <tjaalton> oh duh, libglsl.so is merged into libdricore.so..
[08:59] <mlankhorst> :>
[09:03] <tjaalton> hmm, debian hasn't installed it
[09:12] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: oh hey we're again a intel version behind
[09:13] <tjaalton> yup
[09:14] <mlankhorst> git merge debian-experimental seems to be enough
[09:14] <mlankhorst> I guess jcristau beat us this time :)
[09:14] <jcristau> haven't tested at all
[09:14] <tjaalton> we can do that for you :)
[09:15] <tjaalton> or the quantal test puppies can
[09:15] <jcristau> i wanted to remove /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf in this version
[09:15] <jcristau> since it's not needed post wheezy
[09:15] <mlankhorst> hm does that mean sync to debian again?
[09:15] <tjaalton> nah the apport hook is the only dif
[09:15] <tjaalton> f
[09:15] <tjaalton> after that change
[09:15] <tjaalton> but close
[09:16] <jcristau> i'm going to need some maintainer scripts love to get the conffile removed properly
[09:16] <tjaalton> those are always icky..
[09:17] <mlankhorst> yeah
[09:18] <jcristau> it's written, just not tested yet :)
[09:18] <mlankhorst> blegh I need some work that's not dma-buf related for a change :)
[09:18] <mlankhorst> anything i could work on for a while?
[09:20] <tjaalton> well..
[09:20] <tjaalton> there's the crasher on precise due to synaptics upgrade in -updates
[09:21] <tjaalton> so figuring out why going to 1.6.2 triggered it would be cool
[09:21] <tjaalton> or is the server missing something
[09:22] <mlankhorst> likely server related sadly
[09:23] <mlankhorst> and i don't have the faintest clue what is differing between x1.12 and 1.11 in ubuntu
[09:27] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: it's not a problem in quantal right?
[09:31] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: some dupes of 956071 at least have been reported on quantal
[09:31] <tjaalton> bug 956071
[09:31] <tjaalton> there's also a similar bug on debian
[09:31] <tjaalton> and upstream
[09:32] <tjaalton> well, forwarded upstream by the same guy
[09:33] <mlankhorst> quantal added on 2012-07-18, did we already have the x1.12 stack then? *looks*
[09:33] <tjaalton> there's one filed 7h ago
[09:34] <mlankhorst> aw looks that way, ok I'll take a look
[09:45] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I think I might have seen that bug when I was playing with valgrind :)
[09:50] <tjaalton> oh good
[09:50] <mlankhorst> or at least some bug during synaptics probing, but it was a weird one and didn't make much sense, maybe it will show up again under more paranoid settings
[09:51] <tjaalton> suspend/resume testing should reveal that before too long
[09:52] <tjaalton> also, it can crash seconds after typing the password, which is kinda late in the resume cycle..
[09:55] <mlankhorst> yeah I get some weird erorr during a log output
[09:55] <mlankhorst> which didn't make sense
[09:55] <mlankhorst> I'll just increase the tracking that valgrind does
[09:56] <tjaalton> the sigsafe logging patches should be in 1.13 though..
[09:56] <tjaalton> if that's related
[09:57] <mlankhorst> valgrind worked fine without on x1.11
[09:59] <tjaalton> k
[09:59] <tjaalton> -synaptics was probably the old version too
[10:00] <mlankhorst> but I'll update quantal first :)
[10:21] <seb128> tseliot, tjaalton, mlankhorst, RAOF_: hey, what's the status on nvidia binary drivers on quantal then? did the driver update work?
[10:22] <mlankhorst> seb128: from ubuntu-devel, it is updated to document it's not compatible, unless there has beeen an update since :)
[10:22] <seb128> do we have an ETA on compatible driver?
[10:23]  * mlankhorst doesn't know nvidia's plans
[10:23] <tjaalton> no eta
[10:24] <tjaalton> "next release"
[10:24] <seb128> :-(
[10:24] <mlankhorst> but at least it's not fglrx
[10:24] <tseliot> seb128: the update doesn't work therefore I simply made sure that the driver conflicts with the new X abi
[10:24] <seb128> well, ati works fine so fglrx is less of an issue
[10:24] <seb128> nouveau is suboptimal still though :-(
[10:25] <mlankhorst> sadly
[10:25] <seb128> tseliot, ok, thanks
[10:25] <mlankhorst> maintainer has spent a lot of time turning every line of code upside down..
[10:25] <mlankhorst> hopefully we'll start seeing fixes again soon
[10:25] <tseliot> :)
[10:26] <mlankhorst> (there's even some lines of code that haven't changed \o/)
[10:27] <tjaalton> single-threaded mesa build on top of a nfs share via wifi is.. surprisingly slow :)
[10:28] <mlankhorst> no what's surprisingly slow is apt-get install over nfs on a gigabet network with a ssd backing..
[10:28] <mlankhorst> gigabit*
[10:28] <mlankhorst> what you described is unsurprisingly slow :)
[10:28] <tjaalton> hehe
[10:28] <tjaalton> yeah
[10:29] <tjaalton> preseeded netboot install over gigabit is like 15min here
[10:29] <tjaalton> full desktop
[10:29] <mlankhorst> I just use debootstra plocally
[10:29] <mlankhorst> usually for apt-get updates in chroot too
[10:30] <tjaalton> oh well, I know the build passes, now it's just finding the right files for dh_install
[10:31] <mlankhorst> brb
[10:55] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: oh great.. same bug as another one I was hitting
[10:55] <mlankhorst> updatetouchstate overflows
[10:56] <mlankhorst> cnd: ^ seems to happen on quantal 1.13rc4 too
[10:57] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: woo, thanks
[10:58] <mlankhorst> well I fear it could be a dup of the other synaptics bug then
[11:03] <tjaalton> hmm libdricore is now versioned
[11:03] <tjaalton> libdricore8.1.0.so.1.0.0
[11:04] <mlankhorst> great..
[11:04] <tjaalton> probably no point in splitting it from libgl1-mesa-dri though
[11:05] <mlankhorst> true just leave it in :)
[11:13] <tjaalton> wha.. the gallium dri's are huge, over 41MB apiece
[11:14] <mlankhorst> debug symbols enabled?
[11:14] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: oh btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/956071/comments/59
[11:16] <mlankhorst> the crasher backtrace i hadnt seen before
[11:23] <tjaalton> ahh
[11:28] <tjaalton> right, the binaries haven't been stripped yet, oops
[11:29] <tjaalton> no libgallium.so then, the patch would need to be reworked
[11:29] <phillw> Hi folks, could some one please advise as to against what this bug should be reported...http://pastebin.com/SRLnr5fB
[11:30] <tjaalton> the kernel
[11:30] <phillw> tjaalton: thanks!
[11:31] <tjaalton> although
[11:32] <tjaalton> what does "get live session working" mean
[11:32] <tjaalton> ?
[11:32] <phillw> it means that the tester has to insert nomode to get it to run?
[11:32] <phillw> In my distinctly amateur opinion I'd suspect nvidia-graphics-drivers since it could well be fallout from the new X stack.
[11:33] <tjaalton> no
[11:33] <tjaalton> you don't have that on a live-cd
[11:33] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: --with-llvm-shared-libs saves a bunch of space but needs the patch on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52167 still
[11:34] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: i'll whine again after seeing what they look like after dh_strip :)
[11:34] <phillw> okies, so it is a kernel regression?
[11:34] <tjaalton> phillw: not necessarily
[11:34] <tjaalton> is there a boot splash? does X start but hang later?
[11:36] <phillw> I'm surmising from the tester that he needs to alter the boot sequence to get X to actually run. Once he knows where to file the bug, he will be able to give more information. He's an experienced tester, just unsure as to what to report this one against.
[11:37] <tjaalton> ubuntu-bug xorg
[11:37] <phillw> thanks.
[11:37] <tjaalton> that's a good place to start..
[11:37] <phillw> it can always be re-assigned later.
[11:56]  * mlankhorst recovers from brain thermal cutout
[12:04] <mlankhorst> bryceh: you added 217_revert_bgnonevisitwindow.patch, is it still needed?
[12:13] <mlankhorst> similar to some other patches, for example some old workarounds in xorg-server should probably be upstreamed or dropped entirely..
[12:15] <tjaalton> yes, there was a task about it but it got marked as done, though I think we should be more aggressive about them..
[12:16] <mlankhorst> agreed
[12:16] <mlankhorst> i dropped a 0->null change now, since it really doesn't add anything to keep it
[12:18] <mlankhorst> RAOF_: ping?
[13:23] <tjaalton> head hurts trying to fix 116_use_shared_galliumcore.diff
[13:35] <tjaalton> got to give up for now
[13:39] <mlankhorst> next person to make a cd can fix it? :p
[15:42] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: hehe, exactly. or maybe RAOF_ :)
[16:15] <mlankhorst> brr, fighting ttm is no fun :(
[16:16] <mlankhorst> screw it, most common case will be re-using local reservation object anyhow *does ugly hack*
[16:21] <tjaalton> btw, virtualbox is broken with the new server :)
[16:21] <tjaalton> reportedly
[16:22] <mlankhorst> sigh :s
[16:42] <jcristau> when is vbox not broken
[16:46] <tjaalton> whemn it's not installed i guess..
[16:58] <bryceh> mlankhorst, 217_revert_bgnonevisitwindow.patch is not actually enabled, it was dropped a year ago because it was included in 1.11.0.  But looks like raof left the patch itself in place for some reason
[16:59] <mlankhorst> hm suppose we ought to get rid of all the patches not in series to clean up confusion then :)
[17:01] <bryceh> definitely
[17:07]  * mlankhorst just created a very scary patch
[17:10] <mlankhorst> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~mlankhorst/linux/log/?h=v10-wip makes reservations sort of global, scared to test if it boots..
[18:38] <tjaalton> wth, "configure: error: --with-driver=dri is deprecated"
[18:39] <tjaalton> built just fine earlier today
[18:41] <tjaalton> oh, with --enable-osmesa it fails that way.. nice
[18:41] <tjaalton> if it's forced
[18:42] <tjaalton> ahah, --enable-dri
[19:08] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: yay obsolete packages gone :)
[19:09] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: they got removed the same time when the stack got copied
[19:10] <tjaalton> oh bloody osmesa
[19:14] <tjaalton> doesn't find glapi/glapitable.h
[19:20] <tjaalton>         -I$(top_srcdir)/src/mapi \
[19:20] <tjaalton> probably should be top_builddir
[19:21] <tjaalton> no
[19:23] <tjaalton> well, needs both :)
[19:24] <tjaalton> 726f534bbb3f is similar for glx
[21:07] <tjaalton> ffs, "libdricore*" is not enough to get all the links to be copied to the package dir
[21:15] <barry> howdy folks.  over in #ubuntu-devel i've been chatting with tjaalton and bryceh about today's big problems with 12.10 in a vmware fusion 4.1 host.  is there a vmware dev here who would like to help me debug the problem?
[21:15] <barry> bug 1039157
[21:17] <bryceh> pst Prf_Jakob ^
[21:17] <tjaalton> Prf_Jakob: ^ vmware-tools needs some love for newer kernels
[21:17] <tjaalton> so that it would build :)
[21:20] <barry> Prf_Jakob: hi.  i'm using 12.10 in fusion 4.1.3 (730298).  i know i'm bleeding edge but perhaps i can help test vmware-tools for 12.10?
[21:57] <tjaalton> right, helps if you copy from the right directory, *sigh*
[22:18] <tjaalton> at long last.. mesa debs created, without libgallium.so though
[22:57] <tjaalton> RAOF_: updated mesa git to build, if libgallium.so is commented out from libgl1-mesa-dri.install.linux.in.. if you have time to look at the patch and what it needs to make it work again, that would be great
[22:58] <tjaalton> I started but after the trivial bits it was unclear what was needed, since some bits have been automakeified
[23:00] <tjaalton> like libdricore build
[23:01] <RAOF_> Yay.
[23:02] <tjaalton> "have fun" :)
[23:03] <Sarvatt> "thank you so much" :)
[23:03] <tjaalton> if you're up for it that is ;)
[23:54] <Prf_Jakob> tjaalton: ugh seems like a lot of things are broken in 12.10
[23:55] <Prf_Jakob> tjaalton: have you guys forgotten to enable the vmwgfx kernel module?
[23:56] <Prf_Jakob> barry: still around
[23:56] <Prf_Jakob> ?
[23:56] <barry> Prf_Jakob: yep!
[23:56] <Prf_Jakob> lsmod | grep vmwgfx ?
[23:57] <Prf_Jakob> yeah its using the old driver for some reason.
[23:57] <barry> @resist[~:1001]% lsmod | grep vmwgfx
[23:57] <barry> @resist[~:1002]%
[23:57] <barry>
[23:57] <Prf_Jakob> I'm guessing its because vmwgfx isn't loaded.
[23:57] <barry> Prf_Jakob: yeah, i've tried installing both open-vm-tools and building vmware-tools from the "cd"
[23:58] <Prf_Jakob> We don't ship vmwgfx kernel driver or X drivers in tools for newer distros.
[23:59] <Prf_Jakob> cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep VMWGFX
[23:59] <barry> CONFIG_DRM_VMWGFX=m
[23:59] <barry>
[23:59] <Prf_Jakob> okay
[23:59] <Prf_Jakob> modprobe vmwgfx
[23:59] <Prf_Jakob> sudo service lightdm restart
[23:59] <Prf_Jakob> should sudo modprobe as well.


[08:05] <head_victim> blahdeblah: pong, is it re the email? If so I'm sorry and I'm writing the reply now :)
[12:37] <jaddi27> head_victim, sagaci: How do I add a blueprint to ubuntu-au on launchpad? I can't see a button to add one
[12:54] <sagaci> you register it under the ubuntu project and then add ubuntu-au as a maintainer
[12:54] <sagaci> assignee, rather
[12:56] <sagaci> jaddi27: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addspec
[12:56] <jaddi27> oh, ok. I wouldn't have thought of that
[12:56] <jaddi27> I was just about to create one for the Ubuntu Global Jam
[12:57] <sagaci> I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/JamsForPrecise
[12:59] <jaddi27> Ok, we can use that instead
[12:59] <jaddi27> I will send an email out about it to the mailing list


[01:48] <Andre_Gondim> how may i enable the mic?
[02:22] <rainmanp7> hello I'm back :)
[02:22] <rainmanp7> Ok I got a question about somthing important dealing with ext4 and jaunty :)
[02:23] <rainmanp7> wait for a second while I formulate the question please
[02:24] <rainmanp7> Ok I will show a example and ask from that ok :)
[02:24] <rainmanp7>  Timing cached reads:   2014 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1006.55 MB/sec
[02:24] <rainmanp7>  Timing buffered disk reads:   92 MB in  3.01 seconds =  30.56 MB/sec
[02:25] <rainmanp7> From that figure Is it better to have a boost from 800 to 1006.55 or a bottom figure 30.56 up to 31.2 and have the top drop to 865 ?
[02:25] <Amaranth> bottom is most important
[02:26] <Amaranth> iirc the top one is actually your memory speed
[02:27] <rainmanp7> ok so the configuration that boosts both works better then just the one configuration that boosts the top then
[02:28] <bexamous> hdparm is poor in general, the buffered reads are not that useful at all
[02:29] <bexamous> file system has no influence on hdparm results either
[02:29] <bexamous> hdparm is testing the physical drive itself, doesn't matter if you have ext4 on it
[02:29] <rainmanp7> I noticed that the one that boosts the both -> that it sped up allot of things like Gimp loading ect and one you loaded somthing it became faster after every reload of any program
[02:30] <bexamous> after you load the program once, most remains in cache
[02:30] <bexamous> so any reloads shouldn't have to even read from the hd often
[02:31] <rainmanp7> Ok the only thing I did check this and tell me if it's safe :)
[02:31] <rainmanp7> Ok I have realtime set and this
[02:31] <rainmanp7> vendor="ATA",options=-p 0x80
[02:31] <rainmanp7> options=-g
[02:31] <rainmanp7> That option G I added in after reading about things into the scuzi config file
[02:33] <bexamous> i'm not sure enough to comment
[02:34] <rainmanp7> np
[02:34] <bexamous> at work when we test physical drives
[02:34] <bexamous> sudo echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ; sudo time dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=10000
[02:34] <bexamous> we run that
[02:34] <bexamous> it clears any cached data in ram and then reads 10GB from drive
[02:35] <bexamous> not sure how much kernel configs will affect phsycial drive access
[02:36] <rainmanp7> yeah I read somthing here about scuzzi white list here ->http://hi.baidu.com/wa0362/blog/item/7ea02319a4f7044242a9ad55.html
[02:40] <rainmanp7> I'm trying to find more way of how this thing can act as a cluster mabey i can find more modifications to boost stability and speed :)
[02:45] <rainmanp7> will be back need to reboot :)
[02:47] <rainmanp7> .
[02:47]  * DanaG wonders what it'd take to get his sdhc card to work.
[02:59] <rainmanp7> ok it's late i need sleep gdnight and good luck
[03:56] <binarymutant> will we be able to see ruby 1.9.1 in Jaunty?
[04:00] <danbhfive> try packages.ubuntu.org      or com
[04:01] <dtchen> it hasn't been packaged yet, so no ETA
[04:01] <binarymutant> :( so no :(
[04:01] <binarymutant> oh it hasn't been packaged yet okay
[04:01] <binarymutant> thanks for the info :)
[05:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Has anyone experienced ubiquity *removing* a disk partition from the kernel's knowledge (/proc/partitions) when configuring a separate /boot/ partition and therefore failing silently?
[06:09] <billisnice> jaunty came alive today, the hardware files for my system downloaded...I really do not see much difference than in 8.10 as far as features
[06:14] <billisnice> i have ext4 installed at installation, it appears to load faster, but some programs are still slow. Hopefully l BTRFS will be ready soon and kick butt as promised
[06:14] <DanaG> s/MIA/A(FK)WOL/
[06:14] <DanaG> er
[06:14] <DanaG> transparent window == type into wrong tab.
[07:47]  * DanaG would be able to boot from his internal SD card reader... if it weren't for the fact that it doesn't work AT ALL in Linux.
[07:48] <crdlb> the one in my mother's toshiba laptop is exposed as a usb drive
[07:49] <DanaG> Mine is actually a PCI device.
[07:49] <maco> huh. i wonder if i could boot from mine. i never tried.
[07:49] <maco> and yeah, mine's pci
[07:49] <DanaG> It's a feature of my laptop's firmware.
[07:49] <maco> oh
[07:49] <maco> poo
[07:50] <DanaG> EliteBook -- has UEFI firmware, in fact.
[07:50] <syockit> If I install coreboot, will I get the boot options which was available previously?
[07:51] <DanaG> Oh yeah, so, my internal card reader gives absolutely nothing upon card insertion.
[07:51] <DanaG> Not even anything in dmesg.
[07:52] <maco> what kind is it? TI? Ricoh?
[07:52] <maco> those 2 usually work...
[07:52] <maco> something altogether new?
[07:53] <DanaG> Ricoh R5C843
[07:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/186087/+viewstatus
[07:53] <DanaG> Heh, look at that title.
[07:53] <DanaG> vaio thinkpad.... wait, what?
[07:53] <DanaG> =þ
[07:53] <crdlb> when did sony buy lenovo?
[07:53] <maco> what?
[07:54] <DanaG> It's somebody being mistaken.  =þ
[07:54] <syockit> zeltak: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=352 a good place to start
[07:54] <syockit> add jaunty repos sources.list, do dist-uprade
[07:55] <zeltak> thx :)
[07:55] <DanaG> http://www.aeneas.com.cn/PDF/Ricoh/2005/R5C832E1%5B1%5D.00.pdf
[07:55] <syockit> zeltak: It doesn't have the instruction for distro upgrade though
[07:55] <zeltak> mmm ok. isnt it just updating the sourcelist and doing a dist-upgarde?
[07:56] <syockit> zeltak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview has just what you need it seems
[07:56] <zeltak> awesome, thx syockit!
[08:16] <DanaG> grr, stupid sdhc.
[08:21] <DanaG> Yeah, so my card reader does literally nothing at all in Linux.  Not even an error message.
[08:22] <maco> DanaG: does it work in intrepid?
[08:22] <maco> seeing as that says "fix released"
[08:28] <DanaG> Nope, doesn't work there, either.
[08:39] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[08:39] <DanaG> Another issue I have, even in Intrepid.
[08:40] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/186087
[08:42] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/311781
[08:44]  * DanaG goes off to bed now.
[08:44] <DanaG> Another bug with my laptop: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[08:46] <raevol> how "safe" would you guys consider jaunty at this point? i understand that it is still expected to have broken things, but if i need jaunty for support for my sound card, would you recommend updating?
[08:58] <syockit> While it may solve your 1 problem, it may cause others that you've never seen before
[09:00] <syockit> The latest live is alpha 3, check out if it doesn't break any other hardware
[09:01] <raevol> hmm ok, thanks
[09:05] <raevol> yea i think i'll wait for the beta at least, just to be safe :[
[09:11] <maco> raevol: you could compile your own sound drivers...
[09:11] <maco> not that itd be officially supported, but meh
[09:11] <raevol> well i jerry rigged my alsa install, i don't think it's a driver problem
[09:11] <raevol> i think it's a pulse audio/alsa problem, and i don't know where in the mess i need to fix something
[09:13] <maco> oh.
[09:55] <dust> http://pastebin.ca/1327017
[09:55] <dust> is there away to force this?
[09:57] <maco> dust: you could TRY downloading the package and using dpkg -i --force-depends on the deb, but no guarantees about it not breaking things
[09:58] <Oli``> Morning all. Just wanted to ask if there are any known, current and serious issues with Jaunty on nvidia systems (or in general) - Wondering if it's stable enough to upgrade =)
[10:01] <maco> with nvidia, always the potential for a loss of suspend/hibernate
[10:01] <maco> aside from that, i havent heard any nvidia complaints, but im an intel user so i cant be sure
[10:01] <dust> maco: any other way?
[10:02] <maco> wait a few hours and see if the dependency has been uploaded?
[10:05] <Oli``> thanks maco
[10:10] <peterz> my gnome apps started making 'plop' sounds whenever I press something
[10:10] <peterz> how do I teach it to quit that?
[10:13] <maco> peterz: right click your volume mixer
[10:14] <maco> go to open volume control
[10:14] <dust> maco: how do i do this can you help ?
[10:14] <maco> choose "system sound theme: none"
[10:14] <maco> dust: the package it needs simply doesnt exist. either wait for it to exist or try to force the install. if you force the install, the app probably wont work though
[10:15] <dust> wait for it to exist?
[10:15] <dust> i think someone else has same bug
[10:15] <peterz> maco: I don't run gnome, so I'll have to manually start gnome-control-panel or somesuch
[10:15] <maco> if youre gettingt hat error, it means one package was created and its dependency was not (yet)
[10:16] <maco> peterz: er, its an applet in the gnome-panel's notification area
[10:16] <maco> not sure if there's a command to open the volume control by itself
[10:16] <peterz> I don't have gnome-panel, and I don't have a gnome-mixer applet
[10:16] <maco> its not gnome-mixer applet. that ones going away.
[10:16] <peterz> I run mostly KDE, its just evo that goes plop plop all the time
[10:17] <peterz> driving me nuts
[10:17] <maco> right kde has its own system theme
[10:17] <maco> gnome-volume-control, maybe?
[10:17] <peterz> KDE apps are properly quiet
[10:18] <peterz> maco: grand, that worked
[10:18] <maco> yay
[10:18] <peterz> thanks mate
[10:18] <maco> np
[10:46] <wd4lko> how do i change the system sounds or alert sounds ?
[10:48] <maco> gnome-volume-control
[10:48] <Ebdomos> wd4lko: go to system, preferences, sound
[10:49] <Ebdomos> wd4lko: if you go to gnome-look or kde-look dot org, you can download some good themes
[10:49] <Ebdomos> kde3 sounds will always be my favourite though
[10:50] <wd4lko> but is there a file i can edit to my own sounds?
[10:50] <Ebdomos> oh, such as having a song play when you boot up?
[10:51] <wd4lko> yea something like that
[10:51] <Ebdomos> should be same place, the tab over lets you select the song
[10:52] <Ebdomos> although you might need to convert it, last time I fiddled with that, some formats gave of distorted sounds. They might have fixed that though (or perhaps It was something wrong on my side)
[10:52] <wd4lko> ok thanks i'll try it
[10:53] <wd4lko> i still get a little scratchy sound
[10:53] <Ebdomos> wd4lko: if that happens to be the case, then go to add/remove applications
[10:53] <Ebdomos> and search - sound converter
[10:53] <Ebdomos> and there you can convert to perhaps a wav, ogg, mp3,
[10:54] <Ebdomos> experiment I guess which works best
[10:54] <wd4lko> ok, im taking notes ! thanks
[10:55] <wd4lko> im running out of things to fiddle with or mess up
[10:56] <peterz> start coding, then there's an endless amount of stuff to fiddle with and mess up :-)
[10:57] <wd4lko> i wish i could do that, im too old to start !
[10:57] <peterz> hehe, you could give it a try.. who knows ;-)
[10:57] <Ebdomos> wd4lko: try python
[10:58] <wd4lko> i get headaches to easy
[10:58] <Ebdomos> but if you dont want to do that, make sure you play around with compiz fusion, and well as cairo dock
[10:58] <Ebdomos> lol
[10:58] <wd4lko> yea, that was my last ache
[10:59] <Ebdomos> cheers then
[10:59] <wd4lko> thanks alot guys for the help...
[12:51] <peterz> who;s in charge of hal ?
[12:51] <peterz> the jaunty package needs a bit of an update
[13:43] <syockit> lots of people
[13:43] <syockit> hal or hal-info?
[14:10] <h0rnman> good morning, everyone
[14:10] <h0rnman> or evening, or even possibly afternoon, depending on your location
[14:18] <calc> h0rnman: morning where i live and afternoon where i am ;-)
[14:19]  * calc lives in Houston (-6) but is in Berlin (+1) for 2 weeks
[14:23] <h0rnman> has anyone here tried dropping Jaunty on a VM?
[14:25] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah :)
[14:25] <calc> i'm running jaunty directly on my laptop :)
[14:26] <h0rnman> did you have any issues with ubiquity crashing about 70% through the install?
[14:27] <calc> i just upgraded from intrepid
[14:27] <h0rnman> sorry, that was for IntuitiveNipple  :)
[14:27]  * h0rnman feels dirty typing that
[14:28] <IntuitiveNipple> I've been seeing a *lot* of installer issuers... spend yesterday and today debugging them so far.
[14:29] <h0rnman> it looks like it crashes when going into the screensaver, but I'm trying one more time and keeping an eye on it
[14:29]  * calc is so sleepy :\
[14:30]  * calc thinks he will skip going to the spaceship tonight and just go to bed
[14:30] <rainmanp7> Gdmorning
[14:31] <rainmanp7> it's 9:29 AM here
[14:31] <h0rnman> mornin
[14:31] <rainmanp7> h0rnman :) what's going on today ?
[14:32] <rainmanp7> Man i want to be working on something
[14:32] <h0rnman> fights with ubiquity  :D
[14:32] <rainmanp7> what is ubiquity ?
[14:32] <fosco_> the ubuntu installer
[14:33] <rainmanp7> oh man i wanna help hehe
[14:33] <rainmanp7> Al I need to do is learn how to run a VM machine thing in linux like I can run vmware in win
[14:34] <fosco_> virtualbox is easy and free
[14:34] <h0rnman> well...the installer stopped, no messages, so here goes a reboot
[14:34] <rainmanp7> ok cool is it in synaptic ?
[14:34] <h0rnman> wish me luck
[14:34] <IntuitiveNipple> h0rnman: hang on a mo
[14:34] <rainmanp7> Gdluck :)
[14:35] <IntuitiveNipple> h0rnman: can you switch to a console with Ctrl+Alt+F1 ?
[14:35] <IntuitiveNipple> If so... you can check the installer logs
[14:35] <h0rnman> sorry....already in the middle of shutdown
[14:35] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... well next time, check out /var/log/syslog  and /var/log/installer/*
[14:35] <h0rnman> though if this fails, I can do just that
[14:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm trying to reproduce a bug whereby the partitioner code actually causes the kernel to lose a partition, by creating a VM with the exact same disk layout as the hardware... heres hoping
[14:37] <rainmanp7> k
[14:37] <calc> rainmanp7: there is also vmware for linux
[14:38] <calc> rainmanp7: so depends if you want free or what you are used to using ;-)
[14:38] <calc> also iirc virtualbox needs cpu support which vmware only needs for 64bit guests
[14:38] <rainmanp7> calc yeah let me see if i can get a download for that :)
[14:39] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got the installer stuck in an endless loop continually resizing the window (trying to start X I think) but I can see som BUG: soft lockups when the screen momentarily stabilises
[14:39] <calc> rainmanp7: download is easy a license for it is a bit harder to get
[14:39] <IntuitiveNipple> I use kvm/qemu for VMs
[14:40] <h0rnman> interesting....what is the manifestation of the partitioner issue?
[14:40] <calc> rainmanp7: http://vmware.com/download/ws/
[14:41] <IntuitiveNipple> h0rnman: Trying to install with a separate /boot/ partition. It somehow makes that partition disappear even when the partitions and file-system are pre-created
[14:42] <h0rnman> well, I can't speak for seeing that, but my current install run failed miserably (system refused to boot.)
[14:43] <rainmanp7> K will be back need to reboot :)
[14:45] <IntuitiveNipple> With the VM I can't get the LiveCD to start X
[14:46] <h0rnman> do you mean once you get everything installed?
[14:46] <IntuitiveNipple> nope, this is booting the LiveCD image
[14:46] <h0rnman> I've been able to get that to work fine
[14:50] <rainmanp7> .
[14:50] <IntuitiveNipple> I prefer using VMs since I can route the VM's console output to the host and capture early error messages
[14:50] <IntuitiveNipple> as now: [ 8497.690471] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [events/0:6]
[14:51] <h0rnman> nice
[14:51] <h0rnman> :D
[14:58] <h0rnman> alright...now that I fixed the boot problem (turns out it was the VMWare nvram file)....i can see if I can find you those error logs :)
[15:00] <rainmanp7> h0rnman good work :)
[15:04] <rainmanp7> man i wish there was something i could do to help out :)
[15:05]  * fujimitsu finish download. amd64.iso test initiated
[15:06] <h0rnman> ok...IntuitiveNupple --  I can get a syslog, but there is no install log at all in /var/log
[15:06] <fujimitsu> alpha3
[15:07] <rainmanp7> fujimitsu want me to install that and run it ?
[15:08] <h0rnman> and now that I'm looking at it, syslog is empty
[15:08]  * izinucs is installing into a vbox vm.. hoping for the best
[15:09] <fujimitsu> no. trying to run alpha3 on gateway mt3422 laptop
[15:10] <rainmanp7> ahh ok
[15:10] <fujimitsu> are there any wifi issues known?
[15:11] <rainmanp7> Yeah i need to um test a usb wireless device :)
[15:12] <fujimitsu> i just dont want to have to run a wire after install
[15:15] <h0rnman> allright, something with the vmdk file was thrashed.  I'm trying again from the beginning
[15:17] <rainmanp7> be right back going to get a wierless adapter working ;)
[15:58] <h0rnman> sadly, I think this is a lost cause :(
[15:59] <h0rnman> IntuitiveNipple:  I tried again, this time trying to set up a separate boot partition, and I met with the same results
[16:05] <IntuitiveNipple> h0rnman: Yeah... I think waiting for alpha 4 may be wise (I'm having problems with the daily)
[16:06] <h0rnman> unfortunately, I have to agree
[16:08] <rainmanp7> how do i know which alpha version i'm running ?
[16:12] <hggdh> rainmanp7, if you are running jaunty, and updating, then you are very near alpha4
[16:12] <rainmanp7> hggdh yes cool
[16:16] <rainmanp7> I is there a way i can plug certin hardware in and scan it and get the information to a site So they can add hardware support for it for Jaunty and future releases ?
[16:18] <rainmanp7> I'm really wodnering about this USB wireless stuff being supported :)
[16:33] <rainmanp7> I have 3 devices that are USB and 2 Wireless USB adapters I would like see supported. I own them and can scan them etc.. and give reports ->any ideas
[16:47] <rainmanp7> .
[16:59] <gourgi> rainmanp7 i think this is kernel's job, so you have to follow this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[16:59] <gourgi> rainmanp7 but ask also to #ubuntu-bugs to be sure
[17:00] <rainmanp7> ok ty I will :)
[17:18] <rainmanp7> I'm wondering if I just keep updating i won't have to reinstall jaunty right ? I can just roll with it ?
[17:18] <IntuitiveNipple> can someone remind how, when at the LiveCD menu, with the 'F6' "Other Options" menu active and items selected, you then get it to boot with those options? What key to press? Only Esc seems to get rid of the menu, but I don't see the options added to the kernel command line (should they be shown?)
[17:18] <IntuitiveNipple> rainmanp7: correct
[17:19] <rainmanp7> ty
[17:49] <fujimitsu> well.. everything works as expected. still have not installed proprietary nvidia drivers yet.  hmm.. everything still looks and feels exactly the same as 8.10
[17:50] <SwedeMike> alt-tabbing is slower for me in 9.04, so is doing mplayer etc. it's just generally more jerky. But the fact that 9.04 actually figures out my 1280x800 screen and doesn't try to run it in 1024x768 like 8.10 does, makes it still the better choice :P
[17:51] <fujimitsu> network connection signal icon still in between 0 and 17 % . same deal as in 8.10
[17:51] <fujimitsu> but thats just incorrect
[17:52] <SwedeMike> mine says 45% which I think is ok
[17:53] <fujimitsu> that be more accurate about your case. i know 17% is wrong.
[17:54] <fujimitsu> running vista on same machine i get 100% signal strength
[17:55] <SwedeMike> the interesting part is that 8.04, 8.10 and 9.04 all report different time remaining on battery for me between the two available apps for that, even though they see the same percentage of the battery power left
[17:55] <SwedeMike> power manager seems to be wrong, battery charge monitor seems right
[17:55] <fujimitsu> did your display break on restricted drivers
[17:56] <SwedeMike> anyone else sees?
[17:56] <SwedeMike> I dont have any restriced drivers, I have intel 4500
[17:56] <rainmanp7> Ok i got a strange problem :) I have a sound blaster sound card and a usb Cmedia headphone device How can I change devices as 2 Devices and not all the channel stuff listed ?
[17:56] <rainmanp7> Like how does one switch between both ? like turn one on and the other off or have both ?
[18:21] <gourgi> !schedule
[18:21] <gourgi> alpha4 tomorrow, cool :D
[18:23] <spr0k3t> oh sweet... I wonder what is going to break and what's going to get better
[18:29] <maco> between today & tomorrow/
[18:29] <maco> shoudnt be anything. theyre supposed to be freezing to create cds
[18:49] <xsg> HI I have Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope alpha 3 when will the new desktop background be availible
[18:56] <gourgi> xsg from A4 to Beta
[18:56] <gourgi> xsg !schedule
[19:15] <xsg_> when will alpha 4 be out
[19:15] <xsg_> and will it be availible in the alpha 3 update in update manager
[19:16] <TheInfinity> when its done :)
[19:17] <xsg_>  and will it be availible in the alpha 3 update in update manager
[19:18] <maco> its just a rolled up bundle of all the updates the alpha 3 users already have
[19:23] <xsg_> so i will be updated daily
[19:23] <xsg_> from alpha
[19:23] <xsg_> 3
[19:31] <rainmanp7> .
[19:47] <linuxman410> have got 10 dollars in this whole laptop
[20:17] <danbhfive> !schedule
[20:31] <mphill_> whooooo. my suspend sorta finally works!
[20:33] <xsg> HI guys
[21:17] <nicomen> mphill_: but hibernate still doesn't?
[21:18] <mphill_> hibernate usually wasn't a problem
[21:18] <mphill_> it was suspend, i suspend it it would wake up right away.  this is awesome.
[21:19] <nicomen> ok, hibernate stopped working for me, in hoary I think ;/
[21:19] <nicomen> and suspend has been on/off until not long ago
[21:20] <mphill_> i would rather suspend (on a desktop at least)
[21:20] <mphill_> hibernate would be ideal on a laptop
[21:20] <mphill_> imho
[21:21] <nicomen> yeah laptop, what's this desktop thing you talk about? ;D
[21:23] <mphill_> i don't own a laptop
[21:23] <mphill_> i might buy a netbook
[23:19] <veritos> Will Jaunty support Flash *without* nspluginwrapper, as well as Sun Java (including browser plugin) *without* OpenJDK?
[23:44] <pwnguin> heh


[11:25] <n2diy> wireless_: do any LEDs blink?
[11:25] <kitche> dancallo: ISA? think that can't be used on 2.6 kernels
[11:25] <cld2> jrib: I have an amd64 box running generic and I have installed said modules but it tells me to make sure the nvidia kern mod and the kernel im running are the same. thanks for looking
[11:25] <Xenguy> drkm: try wget if you are just fetching files
[11:26] <wireless_> n2diy : I have no lights on the card working now, not on and not blinking
[11:26] <jrib> cld2: what command says that?
[11:26] <n2diy> wireless_: What about when you ping the card?
[11:26] <spacing_guild> anyone know how to get mplayer to be the default movie player for firefox?
[11:26] <dancallo> Didn't realize that, Kitche.  I had a Rockwell Riptide audio/comm card (PCI) in there earlier, but Dapper didn't detect it either.
[11:26] <cld2> jrib: nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:27] <Jared_> Hi is anybody here
[11:27] <drkm> Xenguy: I'm uploading
[11:27] <agent> jacopoexchange: ok :) you can also try adding your own session file
[11:27] <jrib> cld2: that's not the right command for edgy, are you following the guide on the wiki?
[11:27] <wireless_> n2diy : one sec
[11:27] <raintheory> !rhytmbox
[11:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rhytmbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:27] <dubious9> Jared_, nobody here but us penguins
[11:27] <spacing_guild> how do you set a default movie player for firefox?
[11:27] <raintheory> !rhythmbox
[11:27] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[11:27] <agent> jacopoexchange: the problem is that if you don't know exactly what kde needs started and how to start it you will probaly have problems
[11:27] <Jared_> Dubious, im in xchat
[11:27] <jrib> jacopoexchange: I'm not on ubuntu atm, but I would use packages.ubuntu.com to find what package owns the .desktop session file for kubuntu
[11:28] <Jared_> send me a private thingy
[11:28] <jacopoexchange> agent: the package i installed didn't install kde-base
[11:28] <cld2> jrib: im following the guide from asking ubotu nvidia. can I have the wiki link please
[11:28] <jacopoexchange> but kde-base-bin
[11:28] <dancallo> Kitche:  I got your message.  Thanks for letting me know.
[11:28] <adrap> test
[11:28] <adrap> test
[11:28] <jrib> cld2: that's the guide I'm referring to, let me see if it was changed
[11:28] <adrap> Is this on ?
[11:28] <n2diy> nope
[11:28] <jacopoexchange> agent, jrib: that's why it didn't show kde
[11:28] <dubious9> Jared_, you should see a new tab pop up
[11:28] <agent> jacopoexchange: not sure what hte difference is as i do not use kde.... if you want, try kde-base
[11:28] <cld2> jrib: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia thats what im using
[11:28] <fmachado> K1GPL, did you resolve your problem?
[11:28] <Xenguy> drkm: heh, I just discovered there's a 'wput' for uploading files
[11:29] <agent> jacopoexchange: cool! so it works now?
[11:29] <K1GPL> fmachado, yes, thanks very much :)
[11:29] <jacopoexchange> agent: i'm installing it right now
[11:29] <Xenguy> drkm: never tried it, but it says it has 'resume'
[11:29] <K1GPL> now i have a new problem.
[11:29] <agent> jacopoexchange: ok
[11:29] <lxgg> hey there
[11:29] <fmachado> K1GPL :)
[11:29] <Jared_> Dubious, i sent u a message, did you get it
[11:29] <jrib> cld2: take a closer look at step 10
[11:29] <n2diy> wireless_: ?
[11:29] <lxgg> i need some help with the ubuntu settup
[11:29] <K1GPL> i had to reinstall winxp on a dual boot system.  it seems to have wiped the mbr clean, and my boot options are gone.  how do i get them back?
[11:30] <dubious9> Jared_, what are you typing when you send me a message?  Hmmm... private messages don't require a specific port to be open do they?
[11:30] <cld2> jrib: oh Feck me. thanks so much. ive been up way to long. argh! thanks for the fresh eyes.
[11:30] <agent> !grub | K1GPL
[11:30] <ubotu> K1GPL: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:30] <Jared_> Idk, do you have an aim account?
[11:30] <jrib> cld2: np
[11:30] <drkm> Xen: I'm not really looking for a resume.. more of a reconnect
[11:30] <adrap> well sensors kicks me out, sensors doesn't display the data
[11:30] <wireless_> n2diy: it seems as thought I have lost the ip to the card, and cannot ping it anymore now
[11:30] <adrap> Can't access procfs/sysfs file
[11:30] <adrap> Unable to find i2c bus information;
[11:30] <adrap> For 2.6 kernels, make sure you have mounted sysfs and libsensors
[11:30] <adrap> was compiled with sysfs support!
[11:31] <n2diy> wireless_:  what does ifconfig tell you?
[11:31] <adrap> But /proc and /sys are mounted, libsensors3 is installed and the i2c-* modules are loaded
[11:31] <adrap> Can please anyone fucking help me ?
[11:31] <lxgg> i cant configure the firefox right....somehow; all the time when i want to connect to google i cant ! anyone an idea ?
[11:31] <kitche> !language
[11:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:32] <wireless_> that it had not ip
[11:32] <dubious9> Jared_, lol yeah, but usually I only /msg it to people ;)
[11:32] <Jared_> what does that mean? /msg?
[11:32] <lxgg> or havent i configured the network right ?
[11:32] <n2diy> wireless_:  did it show wlan0?
[11:32] <linux1> hiya ppl any know  how to setup dmraid  im stuck :(
[11:32] <Jared_> dubious9, do you get my messages in private chat?
[11:32] <axisys> how to convert pdf to doc, this is to remove watermark
[11:32] <dubious9> type /msg in the begging of the line then my nick "dubious9" then somethign else
[11:32] <wireless_> n2diy: I disabled then reenabled the intereface, and now it lost its ip, shows wlan0 and wmaster0 but neither have ip addresses
[11:32] <jrib> Does anyone know the url (or factoid) for ljl's page that lists deb dependencies recursively?
[11:33] <gili> ok thanks for audacious
[11:33] <gili> great looking player
[11:33] <spacing_guild> how do I set a default movie player for firefox?
[11:33] <wireless_> n2diy: before wmaster0 had one, but it does not anymore
[11:33] <dubious9> Jared_, now try it with /query
[11:33] <spacing_guild> totem sucks...
[11:33] <karbonik> kitche: I tried purging from Adept, uninstalling from Tbird, and resinstalling thru TBird by .xpi.  Still no worky.  I guess I'm off to RTFM inside out on Gnupg
[11:33] <n2diy> wireless_:  how did you disable, and re-enable them?
[11:33] <karbonik> kitche: thanks for the lead
[11:33] <jrib> spacing_guild: install the plugin one you want and remove the totem plugin
[11:33] <cynical> spacing_guild: you install the mozilla plugin for whatever media player you like
[11:33] <Jared_> ok i typed '/query dubious9'
[11:33] <mwe> how do you tell apt-get to stop warning about something it thinks was automatically installed?
[11:34] <Xenguy> sorry, ww
[11:34] <cld2> jrib: thanks again. I earned several didnt RTFM points for that one.
[11:34] <dubious9> ok something is screwy.  can somebody else /query me to see which end this problem is on?
[11:34] <kitche> Jared_: if your not registered/identified with nickserv you can't pm
[11:34] <mwe> i need what it says I can remove
[11:34] <Jared_> ok how do i register
[11:34] <n-rated> where should I have to put the tar.gz file for this to work sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-1.32.tar.gz
[11:34] <jrib> mwe: what warning exactly?  use pastebin
[11:34] <dubious9> kitche, lol thanks, I had no idea ;)
[11:34] <wireless_> n2diy: in the network settings box in administration->network
[11:34] <lxgg> ANYONE who can help with FIREFOX config and NETWORK CONFIG message me plz !!!
[11:34] <mwe> and those warnings are annoying
[11:35] <kitche> Jared_: dubious9 /msg nickserv help register
[11:35] <n2diy> wireless_:  ok, and now it is enabled, but doesn't list an ip address?
[11:35] <fmachado> !enter | mwe
[11:35] <mwe> jrib: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [Long list]
[11:35] <ubotu> mwe: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:35] <wireless_> correct
[11:35] <Jared_> REGISTER eagles
[11:35] <dubious9> kitche, yeah, I'm registered, I just didn't know you couldn't msg people without being registered.
[11:36] <mwe> jrib: it says I can use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them, but I want to keep them and the warning annoys me
[11:36] <ozzloy> arg!  my window decorator has died
[11:36] <wireless_> n2diy : right, I tried only renabling wlan0 wmaster0 and if I just enable wmaster0 nothing shows up except the lookback in ifconfig, but if I just enable wlan0 then both wmaster0 and wlan0 show up, and if I enable both I have same results
[11:36] <dubious9> Jared_, try doing the registration in the FreeNode tab.  That way if you make a mistake, we all don't see your password ;)
[11:36] <axisys> !pdf
[11:36] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, evince and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[11:37] <ozzloy> when i start beryl-manager, my window decorator doesn't work correctly anymore.  it worked fine, but now it's dead
[11:37] <ozzloy> how do i fix it?
[11:37] <n2diy> wireless_:  so still no ip address?
[11:37] <axisys> !pdf2doc
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pdf2doc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <wireless_> n2diy: right, no i ip as of now
[11:37] <siv0x> Can someone help me, I have my headset plugged in and everything, but the sound is still coming through the speakers instead?
[11:38] <wirelessnoob> Hi: I have just installed a Belkin 5Fd700uk wireless card.  I've installed no drivers, but wireless assistant can see the router (and other peoples).  I've got 128-bit WEP working on windows, but can't get w/less asst to authenticate.    The autoremove features seems to lack documentation
[11:38] <n2diy> wireless_:  this is weird, try ifdown wlan0, and then ifup wlan0.
[11:38] <mwe> jrib: yeah. I noticed in the man page
[11:39] <lxgg> ANYONE who can help with FIREFOX config and NETWORK CONFIG message me plz !!!
[11:40] <jrib> mwe: a thread on the forums claims feisty's man page has docs, so I'm going to see if I can take a quick look at that
[11:40] <jrib> lxgg: can you be more specific?
[11:40] <jrib> Does anyone know the url (or factoid) for ljl's page that lists deb dependencies recursively?
[11:41] <n2diy> wireless_:  ?
[11:41] <arte_> how to restore icons on desktop after forced quit of nautilus ?
[11:41] <jrib> arte_: start nautilus
[11:41] <pluto> I have two XFS hard drives in addition to my main ext3 linux drive. Whenever I delete something on the XFS drives, rather than it moving to the trash, it instead moves to a hidden folder on the drive called .trash. Is there a way to make it move to the trash on the main drive like it should?
[11:41] <arte_> it started
[11:41] <wireless_> n2diy: ifdown wlan0 = wmaster0 unknown hardware address type 801    Listing on LPF/wlan0/00:11:50:dd:59:3d  Sonding on LPF/wlan0/00:11:50:dd:59:3d  Sending on Socket/fallback
[11:41] <arte_> i mounted ftp n it hanged
[11:42] <n2diy> wireless_:  and ifup?
[11:42] <arte_> is there any cmd to reload desktop ? i use gnome
[11:42] <Music_Shuffle> arte_, like ctrl+alt+backspace?
[11:43] <rrittenhouse> LOL i was thinking the same thing
[11:43] <arte_> ill try thnx
[11:43] <Music_Shuffle> Well, it seems legit :P
[11:43] <rrittenhouse> ..
[11:43] <wireless_> n2diy: ifup wlan0 = same as above plus DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 8 then it goes on to intervals 14,18,17,4 then it says No DHCPOFFERS recieved  No working leases in persistent databae - sleeping
[11:43] <Music_Shuffle> !dependencies
[11:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dependencies - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:44] <Music_Shuffle> Eh.
[11:44] <siv0x> Can someone help me, I have my headset plugged in and everything, but the sound is still coming through the speakers instead?
[11:44] <Music_Shuffle> Is the headset plugged in right?
[11:44] <n2diy> wireless_:  does it have an ip now?
[11:44] <Theodor> Guys I'm currently here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/ ... I need to download these packages: debhelper, rmp, dpkg-dev, make ... any ideas on where to get them?
[11:44] <Theodor> I need them, because I wasn't able to install Alien.
[11:44] <HymnToLife> Theodor, they're on your Ubuntu CD
[11:44] <wireless_> n2diy: no
[11:44] <Theodor> Ohh damn it
[11:45] <crimsun> siv0x: did you set the default audio output using asoundconf?
[11:45] <Theodor> How can I get them out of the DVD ?
[11:45] <n2diy> wireless_:  WTF? hang on, I'm going to ask the list.
[11:45] <HymnToLife> Theodor, just try to apt-get them
[11:45] <HymnToLife> it should ask for the CD/DVD
[11:45] <jrib> Theodor: the cd is better, but note that they are linked at the bottom of the page for the package on packages.ubuntu.com as well
[11:45] <Theodor> so I write apt-get rpm ?
[11:46] <HymnToLife> with sudo
[11:46] <raintheory> is there a way to record a radio stream (streamed from rhythmbox)?
[11:46] <n2diy> Ifconfig sees a wireless card, but no ip address is a assigned to it, also ifup reports no leases, and the card is sleeping?
[11:46] <jrib> Theodor: sudo apt-get install rpm    why do you want rpm?
[11:46] <Theodor> kay, will try it
[11:46] <wireless_> n2diy: yes
[11:46] <K1GPL> !grub
[11:46] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:46] <HymnToLife> n2diy, have you configured ESSID ans key using iwconfig ?
[11:46] <wireless_> that is all correct
[11:46] <HymnToLife> oh, never mind
[11:46] <Theodor> jrib, becuase I downloaded a driver for my graphic card, which is a .rpm file.
[11:47] <jrib> Theodor: what graphics card?
[11:47] <n2diy> HymnToLife: it isn't my problem, I'm trying to help wireless_ solve his, and I'm stumped.
[11:47] <jrib> !rpm | Theodor
[11:47] <ubotu> Theodor: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[11:47] <HymnToLife> Theodor, this seems like a bad thing to do, what kind of card do you have ?
[11:47] <wireless_> n2diy: i cam going to eject the card and reinsert it, although that has never helped before
[11:47] <Theodor> ATI X600 "for my laptop"
[11:47] <agent> Theodor: its a pretty bad idea to install non-deb files, but if you *must* you can use alien to convert from rpm to deb
[11:47] <HymnToLife> !ati | Theodor
[11:47] <ubotu> Theodor: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:47] <Theodor> That command gave me this: you might want to run 'apt-get -f install'
[11:47] <Theodor> any ideas why?
[11:48] <HymnToLife> yes, broken dependencies
[11:48] <Theodor> HymnToLife, I went to that webpage before, I couldn't find anything that helped me out ...
[11:48] <wireless_> n2diy: ndiswrapper -l says hardare is present and driver is present
[11:48] <HymnToLife> just run the command it tells you to
[11:48] <Theodor> okay
[11:48] <n2diy> wireless_:  does it have an ip now?
[11:48] <wireless_> hang on ejecting card from bus caused lockup again
[11:49] <Theodor> I was obliged to the following: apt-get -f install.
[11:49] <Theodor> What does that mean?
[11:49] <Theodor> now it's doing something ...
[11:49] <Theodor> I soo need to understand what's going on.
[11:50] <wireless_> n2diy : had to reboot it
[11:50] <siv0x> I need to understand why i cant receive sound from my headphones instead of the pc speakers.
[11:50] <arte_> only restat helped in dat situation
[11:50] <n2diy> wireless_:  roger that.
[11:50] <Theodor> so how does apt-get works?
[11:51] <wireless_> n2diy: this card is a f5d7010 v6000 belkin
[11:51] <arte_> i mean icons disappeared from desktop after force nautilus quit
[11:51] <Theodor> They told me once that command to download stuff from the internet ..
[11:51] <Music_Shuffle> Right.
[11:51] <Music_Shuffle> Theodor, no synaptic?
[11:51] <axisys> anyone know of a tool to convert pdf to doc (sorry for repeat q)
[11:51] <siv0x> Theodor: sudo apt-get "almost anything in synaptic"
[11:51] <epitiphlitis> Ok, gotta problem...I installed a bunch of gnome login screens and erased all the original login screens and set it to random...then i rebooted and theres an error saying something about "circles theme cannot load, reverting to default login"  wich is a plain login window but the field where you type in user name doesnt type anything up, no cursor or anything.  Anybody?
[11:51] <Theodor> a synatic is ?
[11:51] <n2diy> wireless_:  roger that, I'm not familiar with it.
[11:51] <Theodor> synaptic*
[11:52] <arte_> is there gnome-  kind cmd to restore n restart desktop
[11:52] <epitiphlitis> arte?
[11:52] <jrib> arte_: starting nautilus after killing it should work.  Have you logged out and back in if it didn't?
[11:52] <HymnToLife> arte_, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace :p (save your work first)
[11:53] <arte_> it always happened after i do force quit
[11:53] <arte_> it sucks
[11:53] <Music_Shuffle> HymnToLife, I already said that! Did he not try it? :(
[11:53] <arte_> yes
[11:53] <arte_> i logged
[11:53] <wireless_> n2diy: i am going to search around on this myself somemore
[11:53] <NET||abuse> hey guys,, my girlfriend has the new Motorola K1, was wondering is there any way to hook into it with linux, access photo memory etc?
[11:53] <siv0x> Can someone help me, I have my headset plugged in and everything, but the sound is still coming through the speakers instead?
[11:53] <NET||abuse> i have a usb connector
[11:53] <arte_> out and in a couple of times
[11:53] <n2diy> wireless_:  ok, good luck.
[11:53] <wireless_> n2diy: I think it maybe a problem with using the wrong drivers, I am using the drivers on the cd
[11:54] <epitiphlitis> I installed a bunch of gnome login screens and erased all the original login screens and set it to random...then i rebooted and theres an error saying something about "circles theme cannot load, reverting to default login"  wich is a plain login window but the field where you type in user name doesnt type anything up, no cursor or anything.  Anybody?
[11:54] <wireless_> n2diy: thanks alot for all your help
[11:54] <arte_> try urself, open nautilus do force quit n restore all icons
[11:54] <n2diy> wireless_:  ok, good luck.
[11:54] <arte_> then write me back if success
[11:54] <jeeves__> n2diy:  I got the GPS to work properly.  It's still not accurate though
[11:54] <superkirbyartist> Guy supposed to help me with laptop card, are you still there?
[11:54] <axisys> siv0x: double click the volume/sound button
[11:54] <jrib> !enter | arte_
[11:54] <ubotu> arte_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:54] <axisys> siv0x: go to the switch tab
[11:54] <arte_> ok ok ok
[11:54] <n2diy> jeeves_ : good, how accurate is it?
[11:55] <sidny4> how do I make all windows have a 75% opacity? I am using beryl
[11:55] <axisys> axisys: check the headphone jack sense
[11:55] <axisys> siv0x: check the headphone jack sense
[11:55] <siv0x> anisys: you mean go to kmixer? (i'm on kde)
[11:55] <jeeves__> n2diy:  it's off by @ least 10kmH when driving, and is almost 10m out on distance.
[11:55] <arte_> do i need write !enter then write ?
[11:55] <jrib> sidny4: you may have more luck in #beryl
[11:55] <sidny4> k
[11:55] <epitiphlitis> I installed a bunch of gnome login screens and erased all the original login screens and set it to random...then i rebooted and theres an error saying something about "circles theme cannot load, reverting to default login"  wich is a plain login window but the field where you type in user name doesnt type anything up, no cursor or anything.  Anybody got an answer or am I screwed?
[11:55] <Azul> kde = krappy desktop environment
[11:56] <n2diy> jeeves_ : the speed should be better than that, but 10m distance isn't that bad.
[11:56] <jrib> arte_: no, I just mean:  don't break up what you say into more than one line.  It makes it hard to follow with everyone else speaking at the same time
[11:56] <Dante123> hi everyone....new ubuntu user here......very happy for the most part with 6.10...just need help with multimedia and browser
[11:56] <axisys> siv0x: i guess.. basically u need to check the button for the sound driver to sense the headphone
[11:56] <wirelessnoob> Azul, don't I kknow it...
[11:56] <Azul> !mp3 | Dante123
[11:56] <ubotu> Dante123: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:56] <Dante123> tried reading and doing what I found suggested....but cannot get videos from firefox to show
[11:56] <arte_> i got it jrib never do it again :)
[11:56] <jeeves__> n2diy:  that was 10m standing still.  and between differne't OSes.  (had the laptop sitting on the hood of the car, and then booted into differen't OSes
[11:57] <arte_> so jrib did u tried to force nautilus ?
[11:57] <siv0x> axisys: are you using kde?
[11:57] <Azul> Dante123, use automatix
[11:57] <axisys> siv0x: nawp
[11:57] <Dante123> what is automatix?
[11:57] <Azul> or easy-ubuntu
[11:57] <epitiphlitis> I installed a bunch of gnome login screens and erased all the original login screens and set it to random...then i rebooted and theres an error saying something about "circles theme cannot load, reverting to default login"  wich is a plain login window but the field where you type in user name doesnt type anything up, no cursor or anything.  i suppose since nobody has an answer i guess i'll...
[11:57] <epitiphlitis> ...just fdisk format reload?
[11:57] <Dante123> is it a package you download
[11:57] <superkirbyartist> Can someone help me with laptop card please?
[11:57] <jrib> arte_: have you tried running "killall nautilus"  now?  I can't try, I'm not on GNOME atm
[11:57] <Azul> !automatix
[11:57] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:57] <kitche> !automatix|Dante123
[11:57] <ubotu> Dante123: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:57] <n2diy> jeeves_ : ok, 10 meters is about as good as it gets.
[11:57] <Azul> man! this ubotu is very handy
[11:57] <siv0x> axisys: hrmm, one sec, i'll boot up on gnome, brb.
[11:57] <superkirbyartist> I want to figure out if dialup modem will be detected/supported.
[11:58] <kitche> !easyubuntu|Dante123
[11:58] <ubotu> Dante123: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[11:58] <jrib> !dialup | superkirbyartist
[11:58] <ubotu> superkirbyartist: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[11:58] <arte_> no i didnt try killall just used "force quit" program coz it hunged up
[11:58] <epitiphlitis> i mean sheeot, at least give me a wiki or a howto or something.  is anybody able to even see what i am typing?
[11:58] <jrib> arte_: try that now and see if it makes a diff
[11:58] <Azul> is there a keyboard shortcut for invoking system monitor?
[11:59] <kitche> epitiphlitis: the best way is to insall the default gdm back
[11:59] <arte_> ok ill experiment that now
[11:59] <epitiphlitis> kitche, how can i do that if i cant even log in?
[11:59] <superkirbyartist> Lesee...
[12:00] <kitche> epitiphlitis: ctrl+alt+F1 is how switches you to the shell
[12:00] <Azul> !crash
[12:00] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[12:00] <superkirbyartist> Do I have a softmodem or hardmodem?
[12:00] <linux1> hiya ppl ive install dmraid and it found my intel raid part but then nothing in /dev/mapper just control any idea whats up
[12:00] <superkirbyartist> Are PCMCIA modems soft or hard?
[12:00] <siv0x> axisys: k
[12:00] <epitiphlitis> kitche, then what?
[12:00] <arte_> jrib .. u r genius :) it really helps tnx !
[12:00] <epitiphlitis> kitche: apt-get?


[05:28] <mohsengreen> hi
[05:29] <mohsengreen> 8-)
[05:31] <mohsengreen> why is selint:'(
[20:36] <safeith> join #opensuse-ir
[20:37] <safeith> ببخشید :-)