[13:05] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: what's a distro patch?
[13:05] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, oh, those are patches that we carry on top of upstream code
[13:06] <bhearsum> ah, f.e., unity integration in firefox
[13:06] <bhearsum> (as opposed to "make the build work")
[13:06] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah
[13:10] <bhearsum> ahhhh


[10:59] <Itay> When I'm adding a new network interface to a virtual machine(2 in total), and reboot the VM without any additional config, the second interface is picking up the already occupied static IP of the first interface.
[10:59] <Itay> Why is it not staying unassigned?
[10:59] <Itay> I also found that netplan is automatically generating file at /run/netplan/INTERFACE and it is automatically getting applied.
[13:09] <Itay> for the record, i found it was related to the way i was creating the virtual machine (using packer & boot command)
[16:38] <gildasio> hey all, I use cloud-config to automatically install an ubuntu instance. I configure the keyboard as `layout: br` and `variant: "abnt2"`. It works just fine on 20.04 and 22.04. But on 23.04 it does not works.
[16:38] <gildasio> If I remove the keyboard `variant` configuration it works.
[16:38] <gildasio> I don't know whether here is the right place. If not where can I talk about it or report it?
[16:43] <dbungert> gildasio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2008271/comments/8 has some guidance.  In general the values here need to conform to what /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst expects, and I don't see an abnt2 there
[16:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 2008271 in subiquity "invalid keyboard layout value results in setupcon error" [Undecided, Fix Released]


[00:05] <bdrung> tumbleweed: current state of script foo: http://paste.debian.net/81773/
[00:08] <bdrung> tumbleweed: it downloads the patch and the corresponding ubuntu source package
[00:45] <techm3> .
[01:08] <techm3> Hi
[01:28] <micahg> bdrung: what do you think of my requestmerge script idea?
[01:29] <bdrung> micahg: it could be useful for people who needs sponsoring.
[01:29] <bdrung> :)
[01:29] <bdrung> micahg: you are welcome to write this tool. what should the tool do differently to requestsync?
[01:30] <micahg> bdrung: do you think it's worth factoring out common parts of requestsync/requestmerge to requestfoo?
[01:30] <bdrung> micahg: dunno. you have to check how much overlap you will have.
[01:30] <micahg> bdrung: basically the same thing except not subscribe spronsors and use the word merge in place of sync
[01:31] <bdrung> micahg: should it be for just requesting a merge without providing a debdiff?
[01:31] <micahg> bdrung: yes, I think so, so others can usefully request a merge of their favorite app
[01:32] <bdrung> micahg: hm. do you think that it will make a difference?
[01:32] <bdrung> someone has to do the work and prepare a debdiff
[01:32] <micahg> bdrung: I think makes it easy to title a merge properly and add the changelog
[01:33] <micahg> bdrung: true, but people might not realize that merge is necessary/wanted
[01:33]  * micahg guesses that's not what u-d-t is really for though
[01:33] <bdrung> micahg: really?
[01:34] <micahg> bdrung: idk, maybe no one would see it then
[01:34] <bdrung> u-d-t is mostly used by ubuntu devs
[01:34] <micahg> I guess there's no point for random people, but I guess it would be good just for devs with an optional attachment
[01:34] <bdrung> i doubt that a normal user will install u-d-t
[01:35] <micahg> to create the bug easily and mark in progress at least
[01:36] <bdrung> micahg: if requestmerge is used for requesting the merge and attaching a debdiff, then i support your idea.
[01:37] <micahg> bdrung: k, that works, I would make the debdiff optional or add an option to add one to a merge bug in case the merge will be done over a couple days so the bug can be open as a placeholder
[01:37] <bdrung> micahg: requestsync foo -> do you have a debdiff -> either attach it and subscribe u-s or ask if the requester works on the debdiff -> assigning the request
[01:38] <micahg> basically
[01:38] <bdrung> micahg: either the patch is given as cli parameter or you ask for it
[01:39] <micahg> bdrung: right, but it should still be optional so the bug can get filed at least so people know it's in progress
[01:39] <bdrung> micahg: yes
[01:43] <bdrung> micahg: i need a fake sync
[01:46] <grold> bdrung, what is fake sync? (did not find any desc in wiki)
[01:48] <micahg> bdrung: k, do you mean a use case?
[01:48] <bdrung> grold: if the md5sums of the source tarballs for one upstream version differ between debian and ubuntu. then we can't sync the package. we have to use our own source tarballs then.
[01:49] <bdrung> micahg: i am working on syncpackage and will test the fakesync part
[01:50] <grold> why upstream version may be differ?
[01:52] <micahg> grold: if it's generated vs provided by upstream
[01:52] <micahg> upstream as in upstream from Debian
[01:53] <bdrung> grold: md5sums of the tarballs. this can happen when you repack the source tarball
[01:53] <bdrung> micahg: upstream as in source tarball :)
[01:53] <micahg> bdrung: yes
[01:54] <micahg> was more of an issue before source format 3
[01:55] <grold> why I need to repack it? why not just download the original tarball? (if it's sync?)
[01:58] <grold> this case https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby1.9.1/+bug/611251 (i386 package builds in debian, but failed in ubuntu) is a fake sync?
[01:59] <micahg> grold: no, just different versions of build-depends
[01:59] <bdrung> grold: no, that just a build failure
[02:07] <grold> still don't understand what is the use case for changing a source tarball...O:-)
[02:09] <micahg> grold: http://people.debian.org/~daniel/documents/packaging.html#source-tarball
[02:09] <RAOF> grold: There are a number of times when it's necessary.  Most commonly: when part of the tarball isn't {redistributable,free-software}.
[02:11] <bdrung> grold: in some cases they are repacked by accident leading to a tarball with the same content but a different md5sum
[02:13] <grold> RAOF, but debian more strict in issues of free-software, if tarball suitable in debian - it shall be serve for ubuntu, no?
[02:13] <RAOF> grold: Yes, but not if we repack it independently (ie: we package it first, and then Debian packages it again)
[02:19] <grold> bdrung, micahg, RAOF - thanks to all, now I have some kind of clarity :) will do more investigation...
[02:27] <ScottL> is there a good place to see the packages that FTBFS?  something like person.ubuntu.com/ftbfs ?
[02:28] <micahg> ScottL: see /topic :)
[02:28] <micahg> ScottL: and if you're referring to the ones you uploaded, see launchpad.net/~you/+related-software
[02:36] <ScottL> micahg, neither are the one that persia showed me, this one was on a ubuntu server i believe :(  but thanks!
[02:37] <ScottL> i get an automated email from colin watson and i wanted to check up on why they aren't building
[02:54] <micahg> ScottL: idk
[06:04] <ripps> Hmm... the new compiz in Maverick is looking for libdbus-qt-1-dev, but it doesn't exist in the repos. A libdbusmenu-qt-dev does, though. Is it a missing package, or simply a misnamped dependency?
[06:06] <RAOF> libdbusmenu-qt-dev is quite a different beast.
[06:06] <ripps> RAOF: so it's a missing package then
[06:10] <RAOF> ripps: Looks like it's after libqt4-dev; it seems that the qt4 development packages aren't split out.
[06:23] <micahg> can we add a binary to a release if a newer version from the next release needs to be SRUd or should I release everything in the same package?
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: good morning
[07:53] <dholbach> hi bilalakhtar
[07:53] <bilalakhtar> hi
[09:35] <huats> morning
[09:58] <bdrung> dholbach: why did you assing me to bug #599725?
[09:58] <dholbach> bdrung: because you fixed the bug
[09:58] <dholbach> it was … like … giving you credit for your fix
[09:59] <bdrung> dholbach: i use it for marking thing that i work on
[09:59] <dholbach> well it's closed now so it won't turn up, no? :)
[09:59] <dholbach> unassign yourself if you want
[10:00] <dholbach> I just thought it was fair to credit you for your fix
[10:00] <dholbach> thanks again for that
[10:03] <bdrung> dholbach: i am subscribed to the bug and i am in the bzr log
[10:04] <dholbach> bdrung: as I said: if you don't want this, feel free to change it back
[10:05] <dholbach> it's standard practice in other projects I'm part of and I don't think I had this discussion ever before :)
[10:07] <dholbach> for example do I like it in overviews like https://launchpad.net/loco-directory/+milestone/0.2.14 https://launchpad.net/loco-directory/+milestone/0.2.13 etc
[10:08] <bdrung> ok
[10:09] <bdrung> dholbach: how long does one generation run takes on your machine?
[10:12] <chilicuil> hi, sry to bother u, but #ubuntu-bugs looks empty (I must be in a wrong UTC), anyway, I'm trying to run $requestsync and I'm getting the following output: http://pastebin.com/6V49HqFC I've tried with both version, the one who's in the repositories and the one who can be downloaded with bzr
[10:14] <tumbleweed> chilicuil: That error means it can't find python-debian, it is installed, right?
[10:15] <chilicuil> yes it's installed tumbleweed
[10:15] <chilicuil> actually it was marked as being installed manually
[10:17] <chilicuil> $ dpkg -l |grep python-deb --> "ii  python-debian                                  0.1.14ubuntu2"
[10:24] <bdrung> chilicuil: for the bzr version, you have to use a newer python-debian version
[10:24] <chilicuil> tumbleweed, bdrung : I've just purge it and reinstall it, and now it works O.o!
[10:26] <chilicuil> another non related question, after featurefreeze I can still play with the packages that ftbfs, right?
[10:30] <bdrung> chilicuil: yes
[10:30] <chilicuil> ok, great, thx for your time
[10:37] <dholbach> bdrung: 11m on the DC machine, and ages locally, somebody in the office is doing a HUGE upload
[10:38] <bdrung> dholbach: isn't there a way to speed it up a little bit?
[10:38] <dholbach> bdrung: I'm sure there, but I don't have time for it right now
[10:39] <dholbach> bdrung: I'm in a bunch of other important projects right now and try to focus on them
[10:39] <dholbach> bdrung: one obvious fix would be: get stuff OFF the list quicker
[10:40] <bdrung> dholbach: and how can we do that without regeneration?
[10:40] <dholbach> ?
[10:40] <bdrung> dholbach: or do you talk about actual sponsoring?
[10:41] <dholbach> I meant: do more sponsoring → list is short → takes less time to rerun the script
[10:41] <dholbach> yes
[10:41] <bdrung> dholbach: i first thought: getting sponsored bugs quicker off the list to avoid clashes
[10:41] <bdrung> :)
[10:42] <dholbach> http://blog.launchpad.net/api/three-tips-for-faster-launchpadlib-api-clients might help too
[10:42] <dholbach> I don't know
[10:42] <dholbach> I just can't put much effort into it now
[10:43] <bdrung> dholbach: i was thinking about  splitting the data collection and the page generation into two different parts. what do you think about it?
[10:44] <dholbach> it won't speed it up but might make the code prettier, yes
[10:46] <bdrung> dholbach: it will make debugging the code output better
[10:49] <dholbach> bdrung: yeah
[11:03] <coolbhavi> hi all is there a separate ubuntu-sru channel on irc?
[11:06] <Laney> no
[11:07] <coolbhavi> because this SRU https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/mobile-broadband-provider-info/+bug/607788 fixes a lot of bugs like this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mobile-broadband-provider-info/+bug/497319 so I asked
[11:12] <coolbhavi> Laney, so mailing the devs in the team is the only way for a quick upload
[11:13] <kaushal> hi
[11:13] <kaushal> is there a way to get php5.3 on Ubuntu Hardy 8.04 ?
[11:14] <coolbhavi> kaushal, yes you need a backport or so I think
[11:14] <coolbhavi> maybe
[11:14] <kaushal> coolbhavi: please point me to the URL ?
[11:16] <bdrung> kaushal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:16] <coolbhavi> kaushal, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[11:16] <coolbhavi> bdrung, hey typed the link at the same time :)
[11:17] <bdrung> coolbhavi: yes :)
[11:17] <bdrung> coolbhavi: s/typed/pasted/
[11:18] <coolbhavi> bdrung, I sent you a mail yesterday :)
[11:18] <Laney> coolbhavi: The SRU team members don't do the sponsoring themselves
[11:18] <bdrung> coolbhavi: yes, it's on my todo list
[11:19] <coolbhavi> bdrung, thanks
[11:19] <bdrung> coolbhavi: yesterday i worked on "foo"
[11:19] <coolbhavi> oh!
[11:20] <coolbhavi> Laney,  so contacting a dev might help?
[11:20] <kaushal> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/allpackages
[11:20] <bdrung> coolbhavi: subscribe ubuntu-sponsors and get me finishing "foo"
[11:20] <kaushal> i dont see php5.3 there
[11:21]  * coolbhavi checks
[11:32] <coolbhavi> bdrung, which was that foo package?
[11:33] <bdrung> coolbhavi: "foo" is a script that will end up in u-d-t and currently looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/81799/
[11:35] <coolbhavi> bdrung, great /me fires up python-interpreter
[11:36] <kaushal> coolbhavi: please suggest
[11:37] <coolbhavi> kaushal, please follow backport workflow there
[11:44] <bdrung> coolbhavi: can you fix the typo in the url: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bhavani_Shankar/MOTUrApplication
[11:45] <coolbhavi> bdrung, yeah
[11:45] <bdrung> coolbhavi: and can you use lists in the "Examples of my work / Things I'm proud of" section
[11:46] <coolbhavi> bdrung, you mean segregation?
[11:48] <coolbhavi> of the bugs or links to the devel-changes list?
[11:48] <bdrung> coolbhavi: segretation? i was thinking about one list entry per bug
[11:49] <bdrung> coolbhavi: do you want to join ubuntu-sponsors once you are MOTU?
[11:49] <coolbhavi> bdrung, okay... I meant New upstream under one heading merge on another ftbfs on another and so on
[11:49] <coolbhavi> bdrung, yes
[11:50] <kaushal> coolbhavi: I have followed it already
[11:51] <coolbhavi> kaushal, once those processes are followed please report a bug adhering to those processes
[11:52] <kaushal> coolbhavi: so hardy wont have php5.3 in it ?
[11:53] <bdrung> coolbhavi: the bug lists should look like: http://paste.debian.net/81801/
[11:53] <kaushal> coolbhavi: is there a existing bug for it ?
[11:53] <coolbhavi> bdrung, got it will reformat once I get home
[11:54] <coolbhavi> kaushal, please search hardy-backports :)
[11:54] <coolbhavi> bdrung, thanks for the comments
[11:57] <kaushal> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=php5&searchon=names&suite=hardy-backports&section=all
[11:57] <kaushal> i dont have it there
[11:58] <coolbhavi> kaushal, then you need to request a backport
[11:58] <coolbhavi> I think
[11:58] <kaushal> how can i request it ?
[11:58] <porthose> coolbhavi, thx for the list will leave my endorsement today :)
[11:58] <coolbhavi> thanks porthose
[11:59] <coolbhavi> :)
[12:00] <bdrung> coolbhavi: renamed your application: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bhavani_Shankar/MOTUApplication
[12:00] <coolbhavi> thanks bdrung will reformat it tonight
[12:03] <coolbhavi> kaushal, please follow the backporting process in the ubuntu backporters wiki page
[12:21] <bdrung> coolbhavi: you have my endorsement
[12:21] <coolbhavi> thanks bdrung :)
[14:50] <LucidFox> I have a problem when creating an armel pbuilder image
[14:50] <LucidFox> the .tgz does get created, but it spams the console with lots of "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 335"
[15:04] <LucidFox> Okay, so it does build after all
[15:04] <LucidFox> despite the console spam
[18:43] <ari-tczew> TheMuso: ping
[19:58] <andreserl> Hi guys I have a quick question. is it possible to have a binary package that only recommends other packages like: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/471212/
[19:59] <micahg> andersk: sure, they're usually referred to as meta packages IIRC
[20:01] <micahg> andersk: sorry, tab complete failure
[20:01] <micahg> andreserl: ^^
[20:01] <micahg> andreserl: see the -desktop packages for examples
[20:01] <andreserl> micahg, ok thanks :)
[21:40] <ari-tczew> question to main sponsors: if we will upload/attach a patch for merge any package before FeatureFreeze and you'll review patch after start FF, do you will require FFe process?
[21:43] <simar> What is quilt package in ubuntu and in general from where can we know that what a package is about?
[21:46] <ari-tczew> !quilt | simar
[21:46] <simar> !quilt
[21:47] <micahg> simar: apt-cache show PKGNAME is a good way to find out about packages
[21:48] <simar> micahg: Thanks a lot. You cleared a bug hurdle in my life .. huh
[22:09] <simar> micahg: I have fixed a FTBFS now where to submit the debdiff and how? Should I create a bug and then close it?
[22:10] <micahg> simar: file a bug, attach the debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[22:10] <micahg> simar: you should close the bug in teh debdiff
[22:10] <micahg> LP: #XXXXXX
[22:10] <micahg> simar: here's teh document on requesting sponsorship: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[22:14] <simar> micahg: thanks, one more doubt. I have modified the source and created the ..ubuntu1.dsc. Now when I run dch -i again it will create ubuntu2.dsc I think. So Should I delete a new modify log that will be created and append changes to the old one ??
[22:15] <micahg> simar: to edit the current changelog (i.e. fix something before you upload) use dch -e
[22:16] <simar> micahg: thanks , I will try :)
[22:30] <bluefoxicy> eughhhh
[22:30] <bluefoxicy> my net is slow
[22:30]  * bluefoxicy has spent 20 minutes trying to get logged into launchpad so he can upload an strace for a system-crashing bug in Thunderbird ~_~
[22:32] <simar> micahg: I have done the process but one thing, the bug is still present in the list http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi . Should'nt it be removed so that someone else should not waste time on it?
[22:33] <micahg> simar: it will once the debdiff is uploaded
[22:33] <micahg> to the archive, not launchpad
[22:34] <simar> micahg: ya but, now I have a intuition that the next bug I will try may be already fixed. How to check that its not fixed by someone.
[22:35] <simar> micahg: Whats the normal updation time in archives ?
[22:36] <micahg> simar: well, depends on who can sponsor when, anywhere from a few hours to a couple weeks or longer
[22:36] <micahg> simar: what's the bug #?
[22:37] <bluefoxicy> ugh
[22:37] <simar> bug #611867
[22:37] <bluefoxicy> I still can't get logged in.
[22:37] <simar> micahg:
[22:37] <bluefoxicy> AND I can't use thunderbird without it turning itself into a fork() bomb
[22:38] <simar> micahg: I have a intuition that the next bug I will try may be already fixed. How to check that its not fixed by someone.
[22:38] <micahg> look at the bugs for the package in Ubunut
[22:38] <micahg> Ubuntu
[22:39] <micahg> simar: a few things, one the  changelog is targetted to Lucid, I'm guessing you meant it for maverick
[22:40] <simar> micahg: ya sure for maaverick
[22:41] <simar> maverick
[22:41] <micahg> simar: the way to open a changelog for maverick is to do 'dch -i -Dmaverick' from lucid
[22:41] <micahg> simar: did you do a test build?
[22:41] <simar> micahg: k
[22:42] <simar> micahg: ya in a pbuilder for maverick
[22:42] <micahg> k
[22:43] <micahg> simar: does the package have a patch system?
[22:43] <simar> micahg:  Should I upload again. I think I should start everything again for kball to make a clean debdiff
[22:43] <simar> micahg: I'm not sure as i'm a new to packaging.
[22:44] <micahg> simar: yeah, you should attach a new debdiff, also, you can just say modify includes in teh files, no need to add the include directives in teh changelog
[22:45] <micahg> simar: also, the package has a quilt patch system, so you'll want to add the changes as a quilt patch
[22:45] <simar> micahg: k
[22:46] <simar> micahg: ya had to install quilt to make source
[22:46] <simar> micahg: But how to add changes to quilt. Is there a wiki page
[22:47] <micahg> simar: 'quilt help' is useful
[22:47] <simar> micahg: k
[22:48] <micahg> simar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#quilt%20%28Example%20Package:%20xterm%29
[22:48] <simar> micahg: Should I add changes of quilt patch system to same bug report?
[22:48] <micahg> simar: well, we usually note the patch name and what it does
[22:49] <simar> k
[22:50] <micahg> simar: example: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/1.0.5-2ubuntu2
[22:51] <simar> micahg: Thanks, I think i really need it  :)
[22:51] <simar> micahg: Now I will study it :)
[22:51] <micahg> simar: you're doing great :)
[22:52] <simar> micahg: :))
[22:52] <micahg> simar: I'll unsubscribe -sponsors for the moment, please resubscribe when ready
[22:52] <simar> micahg: k


[04:42] <bluesabre> "tonight" ended up being much too late before I got home
[04:42] <bluesabre> so, tomorrow
[04:43] <Unit193> Have good sleep.
[16:06] <krytarik> knome, slickymaster: I found a broken link on  http://xubuntu.org/contribute/development/  in the morning - "Ubuntu Packaging Resources" should probably now point to  http://packaging.ubuntu.com/ , and be renamed accordingly.
[16:09] <elfy> edited the link - the name meh
[16:10] <slickymasterWork> bah elfy, we should first ask krytarik:
[16:10] <elfy> not putting "Building Ubuntu" on a Xubuntu page
[16:11] <krytarik> LOL - yes.
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> "So, krytarik, you don't feel like filling a bug against xubuntu website?"
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> ;)
[16:11] <krytarik> :P
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> and only then ....
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> lol
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> how are you two?
[16:11] <elfy> 3
[16:11] <elfy> I am 2
[16:11] <elfy> :p
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> :P
[16:12] <elfy> Monday - all a bit too much for a sane person - imagine how bad it is for me
[16:20] <slickymasterWork> btw krytarik, did you saw the last -docs commit, yesterday?
[16:20] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: Yep, checked - fine.
[16:20] <slickymasterWork> great
[16:21] <elfy> nice
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> lol
[16:21] <elfy> so I have to get krytarik to check things?
[16:21]  * elfy wanders off
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> he has eagle eyes elfy. Very handy ;)
[16:22] <elfy> and a beak?
[16:22] <elfy> :D
[16:22] <slickymasterWork> lmao


[00:49] <lynorian> that sucks the life out of being a tester
[00:49] <tsimonq2> I totally agree with you.
[00:49] <tsimonq2> If I had my way, the Encrypted LVM bug would be fixed.
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[14:10]  * AlanBell wonders if Pendulum likes Faisal
[14:10] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I haven't had a chance to look and I won't have a chance right now, either
[14:11] <Pendulum> (sorry, have had other things and am about to have to leave for a semi-busy day)
[14:11] <AlanBell> ok that is fine
[14:11] <AlanBell> have a nice day
[14:12] <Pendulum> I will look this evening
[18:02] <pendulum|phone> AlanBell: Faisal post looks good. I made a couple proofreading changes, but that's it.
[18:04] <AlanBell> great
[18:04] <AlanBell> ready to go then?
[18:06]  * AlanBell hits the publish button
[18:07] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/
[18:07] <AlanBell> if people want to have a look at that and shout about any errors or enhancements that would be great
[18:39]  * kdub_ thinks the "ubuntu accessibility stories" are a good idea on #planetubuntu
[18:41] <thedarkeststar> what stories kdub_ ?
[18:42] <kdub_> latest thing that popped up on planet ubuntu
[18:42] <thedarkeststar> do ya have a linkage?
[18:42] <AlanBell> thanks kdub_
[18:42] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/
[18:43] <thedarkeststar> hi erkan^  how are you doing?
[18:43] <kdub_> as a dev (oftentimes UI dev) its easy to forget accessibility
[18:44] <kdub_> a blog post like that is a good reminder
[18:46] <thedarkeststar> yeah, indeed
[18:47] <AlanBell> kdub_: there will be another 4 or so with different issues
[18:47] <thedarkeststar> thx writing this story AlanBell
[18:53] <erkan^> me, thedarkeststar ?
[18:55] <erkan^> I am fine .. thank you. and dyou thedarkeststar ?
[18:55] <erkan^> *you
[18:55] <erkan^> (-:
[18:56] <thedarkeststar> i am fine thx erkan^
[18:57] <erkan^> (-:
[18:58] <thedarkeststar> and you'r most welcome to participate in mwanzo  if you want
[18:59] <thedarkeststar> as a reminder..:)
[18:59] <erkan^> for python?
[18:59] <thedarkeststar> whatever you like or in the team
[19:01] <erkan^> wat does mwanzo precious ?
[19:02] <thedarkeststar> short: helping people to participate in the loco and in ubuntu in general
[19:03] <thedarkeststar> our wiki is somewhat less short...
[19:04] <erkan^> I understand, but my english is not good , because I am deaf
[19:04] <thedarkeststar> spot talent and guiding people/members
[19:04] <thedarkeststar> sorry to hear erkan^...
[19:04] <erkan^> no problem
[19:05] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: nice post! You did a great job on that
[19:05] <AlanBell> thanks charlie-tca
[19:05] <AlanBell> I am quite pleased with it
[19:07] <AlanBell> I put a bit of focus on making Faisal quite likeable, someone you could be friends with
[19:07] <AlanBell> I think that works
[19:07] <thedarkeststar> AlanBell, it works
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Yes, it does
[19:13] <thedarkeststar> its difficult to find a/the balance being "sentimental" (heartbreaking story) and being honest/informative i am not a native English, but i hope you understand what i mean
[19:19] <AlanBell> yeah, I didn't want to go for sympathy really
[19:19] <AlanBell> or just informative and dry
[19:26] <charlie-tca> dry is easy, but the rest is kind of a fine line. I think you got it down quite well.
[19:27] <charlie-tca> OTOH, I hate reading things that describe me/my family/my friends
[20:35] <AlanBell> jono: http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/
[20:37] <jono> AlanBell, saw that, awesome!
[20:37] <jono> AlanBell, I will Facebook it and Tweet it
[20:37] <AlanBell> yay
[20:37] <AlanBell> thanks
[21:26] <AlanBell> o/ hajour
[21:27] <hajour> he AlanBell
[21:27] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ got published
[21:27] <AlanBell> I incorporated most of your edits, but not all of them because I was going for quite a specific tone with it
[21:27] <hajour> i go read
[21:27] <AlanBell> and some things will end up on the other personas
[21:28] <hajour> its ok
[21:28] <hajour> hee JackyAlcine :)
[21:31] <JackyAlcine> Hey hajour.
[21:32] <Pendulum> hiya
[21:34] <hajour> looks very good AlanBell
[21:34] <hajour> nice done
[21:35] <hajour> hai Pendulum :)
[21:37] <gpc> is there any voice recognition package I can install and test?
[21:38] <gpc> was at Ubuntu hour today and a couple of people asked because they can't live without Dragon software
[21:38] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[21:38] <AlanBell> simon-listens is one of the best I found
[21:39] <hajour> what of the programs is already usable
[21:39] <hajour> ?
[21:39] <gpc> AlanBell: how does it handle other languages like French?
[21:39]  * gpc installs and tests
[21:39] <hajour> i don't know how far JackyAlcine  is with the others
[21:39] <AlanBell> there are voice recognition libraries, cmusphinx and Julius, but the accuracy didn't impress me much
[21:40] <AlanBell> simon-listens is more programmable voice control rather than dictation so is massively more accurate as it is only dealing with a small vocabulary at a time
[21:40] <gpc> AlanBell: simon-listen is not in the repos?
[21:41] <gpc> ahh, well what the one person uses the app for is dictating letters/emails
[21:41] <AlanBell> !info simon
[21:41] <hajour> gpc AlanBell is open mary from simons listen?
[21:42] <AlanBell> openMary is text to speech, not speech to text
[21:42] <AlanBell> dictating letters and emails is a struggle right now
[21:42] <AlanBell> pocket sphynx is probably the best/easiest to get working
[21:43] <AlanBell> but I couldn't get it to reliably understand me counting to 10
[21:43] <gpc> ok, so nothing comparable to Dragon
[21:43] <Pendulum> not yet :(
[21:43] <AlanBell> I have never used Dragon
[21:44] <Pendulum> there are people who have managed to get Dragon working under wine, but I don't know if that's currently possible
[21:44] <AlanBell> it could be that my microphone and configuration are rubbish
[21:44] <gpc> I don't want to tell them "Yeah! We got this." and then have them disappointed in Ubuntu.
[21:44] <Pendulum> gpc: general open source community feeling is that there's nothing yet that compares to Dragon
[21:44] <gpc> ok, so Windows in a VM it is for that.
[21:45] <gpc> thanks for the info folks :)
[21:45] <AlanBell> http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/
[21:46] <JackyAlcine> SpeechControl's working on alternatives, currently I'm proofreading blueprints for an application that can adapt voice models from VoxForge for CMU Sphinx on Linux systems.
[21:46] <JackyAlcine> The only thing that'll make it useful is people *training* the models, and uploading their training results.
[21:46] <hajour> hehe i just was reading back
[21:46] <hajour> thank you JackyAlcine
[21:46] <JackyAlcine> No problem, hajour.
[21:46] <hajour> JackyAlcine,  is head dev from speechcontrol
[21:47] <hajour> and thank you to AlanBell  for the information
[21:47] <JackyAlcine> As you can see here, from this submission's page, there isn't much uploaded for CMU Sphinx's free-text corpus.
[21:47] <JackyAlcine> http://voxforge.org/home/submit
[21:51] <hajour> hai jibel :)
[21:53] <jibel> Hey hajour!
[21:53] <hajour> how are you jibel :)
[21:54] <jibel> I'm good, what about you ?
[21:54] <hajour> well i only have the flu but thats all a little less so
[21:55] <hajour> better then a couple op days ago :P
[21:55] <hajour> can i help you jibel  or are you just stuck around a bit here :)
[21:57] <hajour> jibel,  if i already have seen you in past and talked then forgive me.i have not a really good memory:)
[21:58] <jibel> hajour, I'm just hanging around,
[21:58] <jibel> hajour, no worries, I don't remember you ever ;-)
[21:58] <hajour> thats oke .there are more here who do that
[21:59] <hajour> hehe ok .glad i have not forget again a person :)
[22:02] <hajour> jibel, ^
[22:04] <hajour> jibel,  i am not so long here on ubuntu only from 30 nov. 2010 :
[22:04] <hajour> :)
[22:04] <jibel> hajour, maybe you forgot me but I did too, so everything if perfect, nice to meet you :)
[22:05] <hajour> nice to meet you to jibel :)
[22:05] <gpc> ugh, to install simon I also need to install half of KDE :/
[22:05] <gpc> not happy with that option
[22:06] <UndiFineD> gpc: yeah it depends upon qt
[22:06] <gpc> there is a PPA for it though
[22:06] <gpc> ppa:grasch-simon-listens/simon
[22:08] <hajour> JackyAlcine, do we need from the first stage of speechcontrol French translators or voice to speak in ?
[22:08] <hajour> are you from the French ubuntu gpc ?
[22:08] <JackyAlcine> Sorry for my parts and joins.
[22:08] <hajour> its alright JackyAlcine :)
[22:08] <gpc> hajour: yes
[22:09] <gpc> well, the Quebec team.
[22:09] <hajour> have you seen my question JackyAlcine ?
[22:10] <hajour> well gpc  we are busy with a to make a new speechprogram based on a few old speech programs
[22:10] <JackyAlcine> Yes I have, hajour. They wouldn't have to go directly though us; they could contribute by submitting recorded audio directly to VoxForge
[22:10] <hajour> gpc, ^
[22:10] <gpc> yup, saw the link JackyAlcine posted before :)
[22:10] <hajour> gpc, do you think you could get people motivated for to do that gpc ?
[22:11] <gpc> I can mention it to some of the folks in the team
[22:11] <hajour> that would be great
[22:11] <hajour> we are working hard to make it so it will work
[22:12] <hajour> gpc, ^
[22:13] <hajour> i am the team leader from speechcontrol team gpc
[23:02] <AlanBell> UndiFineD: I think Daniella might be the next one to be published
[23:03] <UndiFineD> \o/
[23:03] <UndiFineD> she was wonderful to work on
[23:07] <maco> AlanBell: wow i like the bit at the end that shows how to simulate
[23:08] <maco> AlanBell: on the personas thing i mean
[23:08] <AlanBell> they are all going to have that
[23:10] <AlanBell> "How to be $persona" is an important section, haven't really seen that on any of the other persona things I have looked at
[23:12] <AlanBell> I think that, plus a focus on making them likeable is key, the target audience is developers who have no special a11y interest
[23:12] <hajour> i have helped UndiFineD  with the Daniella persona
[23:14] <AlanBell> it is looking good so far
[23:14] <hajour> just take a black glasses on .close the sides so much you can with tape
[23:15] <AlanBell> Daniela is the one who is totally blind
[23:15] <AlanBell> and wants to get into the paralympic swimming team
[23:16] <hajour> if you still see light then curtains close and of courses no cheating.lights out
[23:17] <hajour> i have been blind when i was young AlanBell
[23:17] <hajour> so i know what it is and how to simulate
[23:17] <AlanBell> category 11 swimming
[23:18] <hajour> yes i know AlanBell  but read the lines above
[23:18] <hajour> what i have written
[23:18] <maco> or put on a bandana around your eyes
[23:18] <AlanBell> yes read that, I was just looking up the paralympic categories as you were typing
[23:18] <maco> so you dont trip getting out of the chair to turn the lights back on
[23:18] <hajour> no bandana you still see
[23:18] <maco> not if you fold it over a few times...
[23:18] <maco> (id probably use my no-light-when-im-sleeping-plzkthx thing)
[23:18] <hajour> just put the glasses off before you go stand up
[23:19] <AlanBell> there are also blind experience exhibitions
[23:19] <maco> hmm i wonder if i can even use a computer without my glasses
[23:19] <hajour> o and not forget to tell they must wait a couple off minutes befor working after the pc with the glasses on
[23:19] <maco> hmm ok so i see... a light coloured stripe up top where my panel is... some black for my terminal with grey areas to the black...thats teh text
[23:20] <AlanBell> like http://www.lathatatlan.hu
[23:20] <maco> and a grey/white box for my irc client. it has some grey fuzzy where the text fills the window but other than that...
[23:20] <hajour> because you cant total orientate  any more
[23:20] <AlanBell> first simulation is to turn off the monitor, that way you can't see the screen, but you can still see to type
[23:20] <hajour> the first minutes
[23:21] <AlanBell> then cover the eyes and try typing blind
[23:21] <maco> the second is no problem for a touch typist
[23:21] <AlanBell> and then try and get around your own house blind, make a cup of tea etc.
[23:21] <hajour> and know try to imagine someone cant type because the person was not born blinded
[23:21] <maco> i dont think i'll be trying THAT one til my flat stops being full of half-unpacked boxes!
[23:22] <hajour> major problem
[23:22] <hajour> hehe maco
[23:22] <maco> i can barely walk around it with my glasses on!
[23:22] <hajour> well i was operated 52 times on my eyes
[23:23] <maco> wow
[23:23] <hajour> i come in there and see .i come out of the room and i see nothing.i was allone and 13 years.and i have taken the subway and train allone without seeing something
[23:24] <hajour> 52 times
[23:24] <maco> why did it take so many times, if you dont mind?
[23:24] <hajour> so i will try to do it for you AlanBell  to refresh my memory
[23:24] <hajour> laser operations
[23:25] <maco> but... did they screw up the first 51 attempts?
[23:26] <hajour> my blood vessels had become porous behind my eyes and must make good again
[23:26] <hajour> 1 eye i now see other is blind
[23:27] <hajour> it could not be made after each other because you are awake if they do that
[23:28] <hajour> because of the nerves are also there
[23:28] <hajour> 1 mistake can mean you faces is going to hang
[23:28] <maco> having just taken my glasses off to experiment, i am now VERY happy that glasses exist
[23:28] <maco> and that i can afford them
[23:28] <hajour> yes i can understand that maco
[23:29] <hajour> glasses for my (good) eye do not help for me
[23:31] <hajour> i am already happy i am able to see with 1 eye all is it less working
[23:31] <hajour> but AlanBell  do you have something about i said ?
[23:32] <maco> he's marked as away right now
[23:32] <maco> its fairly late there i think
[23:32] <hajour> yes oke i had not see he was marked away sorry
[23:43] <AlanBell> back now
[23:43] <AlanBell> just wondered off to watch TV for a bit
[23:44] <AlanBell> wow, 52 operations is loads
[23:45] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:45] <hajour> ok aye that where the laser operations and after that a emergency surgery with narcoses
[23:46] <hajour> night AlanBell  let me know tomorrow or i was helpful with the info .:)
[23:46] <hajour> i go sleep to now good night all


[01:29] <gothpaw> how does one add the workspace switcher to the main Panel?
[01:37] <Roey> hey when I run "xsetwacom list devices", I get "List: Unknown argument 'devices'"
[01:37] <Roey> ???
[01:56] <broadcomsux> can some 1 explain the offline install instructions for the b43-lpphy to me?   they are far too vague and i don't understand what they are really asking me to do. i have installed b43-fwcutter and downloaded broadcom-wl-<IP_ADDRESS>.3_mipsel.tar.bz2  ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx )
[02:49] <rjdohnert> Hey guys whats going on
[04:38] <zusili> hi i have problem whit vpn
[04:39] <zusili> hi i have problem whit vpn  anybody help me?
[04:41] <zusili> it seys connectin and then goes bec to not connected
[04:45] <zusili> anybody
[04:47] <zusili> aloooooooooooooooooo
[04:54] <sawesdae> how to make vpn work in kubuntu it alwes seys connecting and stops how to dbug it soo i can see what error
[04:55] <sawesdae> is anyone here
[04:58] <sawesdae> aloooooooooooo
[05:11] <sawesdae> how to make vpn work in kubuntu it alwes seys connecting and stops how to dbug it soo i can see what error
[05:25] <sawesdae> how to make vpn work in kubuntu it alwes seys connecting and stops how to dbug it soo i can see what error
[05:33] <sawesdae> alooooooooooooo
[05:33] <sawesdae> alllllooooooo
[05:33] <sawesdae> anyone
[05:34] <sawesdae> f you idiots
[05:35] <jussi> sawesdae: have some patience - people arent always staring at this channel
[05:35] <jussi> also, try asking in #kde
[05:38] <IdleOne> also, don't swear in *buntu channels
[05:39] <bigbrovar> anyone every got finger print biometric athentication to work with Kubuntu (3.04)
[05:40] <jussi> bigbrovar: I didnt, but I read a guide somewhere - I can try find it again if you like?
[05:40] <bigbrovar> jussi: sure that would be nice :) been googling for it too
[05:42] <jussi> bigbrovar: what model pc do you have?
[05:43] <bigbrovar> jussi: it's not a popular model (its produced by a company in my country Nigeria) called Zinox. but lsusb shows the reader is upek
[05:44] <jussi> bigbrovar: upek has its own proprietry firmware iirc
[05:44] <jussi> bigbrovar: should then be same as this gide stuff: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_integrated_fingerprint_reader
[05:45] <bigbrovar> jussi: Thanks.. I am actually on that page now.. my concern is whether it would work with lightdm-kde
[05:46] <bigbrovar> most of the guide seem too gnome/ubuntu oriented..
[05:46] <bigbrovar> would be cool to be able to unlock my screen via the reader
[05:55] <sawesdae> how to use vpn it dosent work normal
[05:55] <sawesdae> jebem vam mater
[06:06] <sawesdae> how to use vpn it dosent work normal
[06:11] <hylian> kde wont let me remove activities, it doesn't give me the "stop  playing" sign, so I cant delete them. Why isn't this always an  option? (I was making activities to see the difference between  them)
[06:12]  * hylian whips out his scanner, but detects nothing but afk zombies... (please help!)
[08:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:23] <nova_> When I scroll, either with mouse or by clicking in the scrollbar, when using either firefox or chrome with the program "maximized", I get a long (1-2 second) freezes of the page.  If I make the window smaller than full screen there is no pause, with either browser.  Does Anyone have any idea what might be causing this?
[10:20] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:32] <alvin> nova_: I'm thinking of "smooth scrolling". Try disabling it: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Scrolling_is_slow
[11:34] <alvin> bigbrovar: A few years ago I also wanted to use my fingerprint reader. I gave up. There's not much developer interest because it's not a safe technique after all. So, nobody bothers implementing it.
[13:33] <Captain_Proton> Need some guidance. I want to start build some desktop apps, I am not much of a programmer altho I have done a lot of LAMP stuff. I have looked @ youtube and seen QT will work most any language python, C++, not sure about C#(mono) anyway I mostly program in Linux what language would be the best to get start with QT?
[13:45] <bsmall> hello?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hi
[13:46] <bsmall> seems like lots of people but no one is talking :)
[14:02] <Lassilas> Moin
[14:39] <yossarianuk> good advise from the Tor project : http://www.zdnet.com/tor-users-advised-to-switch-away-from-windows-after-malware-attack-7000019047/
[19:14] <AlexZion> hi everyone, I'm running a 12.10 of Kubuntu , and after last upgrade I miss digikam and some usefull software I had before ...., trying to reinstall it gives me an error , the package "libkgeomap1" seems to miss and is a foundamental component for digikam ....
[19:14] <AlexZion> any I dea about how to fix it ?
[19:25] <yofel> AlexZion: could you please pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[19:29] <yofel> AlexZion: found the issue, on it
[19:32] <AlexZion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5956143 yofel
[19:41] <yofel> AlexZion: until that's fixed, this whould give you digikam and kipi back: apt-get install digikam kipi-plugins libgphoto2-port0=2.4.14-2 libgphoto2-2=2.4.14-2
[19:45] <AlexZion> doesn't works yofel
[19:45] <yofel> what does it say?
[19:45] <AlexZion> same as before ...
[19:47] <yofel> uhm, well, what? In my chroot here it works...
[19:48] <yofel> AlexZion: actually, try to refresh your package cache now and just try to install digikam
[19:48] <AlexZion> here just tels me the same yofel
[19:49] <AlexZion> ok I will yof, thanks ...
[19:49] <yofel> hm
[19:49] <yofel> what does 'apt-cache policy libkgeomap1' tell you?
[19:50] <yofel> it should be something like: http://paste.kde.org/p7bcb758d
[19:53] <AlexZion> well the version of digikam is different , 3.2 your , 2.8 mine
[19:54] <yofel> did you remove the ppa maybe?
[19:55] <yofel> because from your history.log you had digikam:amd64 (3.2.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1)
[19:57] <AlexZion> ohhh, yeas I did before trying to fox it , sorry yofel
[20:01] <AlexZion> yeah yofel it works...., many thanks buddy ..., now I can go for lunch ... ;)
[20:01] <yofel> you're welcome ^^
[22:12] <SpacePirate> Anyone laive?
[22:12] <SpacePirate> alive*
[22:23] <teemooooooooooo> hey


[00:00] <FFForever> is there any other archive manager besides fileroller?
[00:00] <Zetto> whait a moment
[00:02] <FFForever> kk
[00:02] <Zetto> FFForever, you are running Ubuntu 9.04 alright ?
[00:02] <FFForever> yeah
[00:03] <Zetto> FFForever, try 'sudo apt-get install p7zip'
[00:03] <Zetto> FFForever, and try open the file left
[00:04] <FFForever> thanks =)
[00:04] <FFForever> woot!
[00:04] <Zetto> FFForever, you are wellcome :)
[00:04] <Zetto> ;)
[00:05] <FFForever> how come that is not installed by default?
[00:05] <Zetto> FFForever, Bug #261117
[00:05] <FFForever> ahhh
[00:05] <Zetto> FFForever, its not installed in 8.04 too
[00:06] <FFForever> maybe i installed it dunno =\
[00:06] <FFForever> it just worked fine for me =)
[00:06] <Zetto> probably
[00:07] <Zetto> FFForever, Thanks to Mark ^^
[00:07] <Amaranth> Zetto: That takes too much disc space
[00:07] <Amaranth> Zetto: We have to have zip/unzip and such installed anyway as other things need them so we just use those in file-roller
[00:08] <FFForever> why do i have to download the windows crud (abiword, oo) when i want linux not windows =P
[00:09] <Amaranth> FFForever: transition
[00:09] <FFForever> =(
[00:09] <FFForever> thats what 100mb i could save?
[00:09] <FFForever> (downloading)
[00:11] <Zetto> Amaranth, i really wanna see Bug #251173 solved in ubuntu+1, but the Feature Freezes already pass ... what do you think ?
[00:11] <Amaranth> FFForever: no, less then that
[00:12] <Amaranth> Zetto: #ubuntu-motu, if you're willing to do the packaging
[00:12] <Zetto> Amaranth, thanks
[00:21] <ali1234> FFForever: do a network install if it bothers you that much
[01:06] <FFForever> what is the difference from aptitude and apt?
[01:10] <dtchen> FFForever: "apt" really refers to a suite. it's normally referred to as "apt-get" or its dselect method.
[01:11] <dtchen> FFForever: "aptitude" relies on apt but is arguably more intelligent in attempting to resolve dependencies
[01:11] <FFForever> ahhh
[01:12] <FFForever> dtchen, are the pa updates safe 2 install... last time i upgraded pa i load audio lol
[01:12] <FFForever> i lost audio***
[01:13] <dtchen> which pa updates?
[01:14] <FFForever> there are a bunch of them in my update manager right now =)
[01:14] <dtchen> for jaunty proper or for luke's ppa?
[01:14] <FFForever> jaunty and what is luke's ppa?
[01:15] <dtchen> the jaunty ones are fine; i run them for at least a day before luke grabs my changes and uploads them to jaunty proper
[01:15] <dtchen> luke's ppa has the latest upstream test snapshot, which currently is 0.9.15-test1
[01:15] <FFForever> dtchen, you are the one in charge of pa?
[01:16] <dtchen> beware that his current ppa packages have a bug; i've already sent him a patch
[01:16] <dtchen> FFForever: i'm historically the audio maintainer; i stepped down some releases ago, but i still work within the audio team
[01:16] <FFForever> ahhh cool so why did ubuntu move from alsa to pa?
[01:17] <dtchen> well, the timing for that was beyond my control. i would have wished it to occur in ubuntu 8.10 instead of ubuntu 8.04, but that's water under the bridge.
[01:17] <FFForever> but why make the change?
[01:17] <dtchen> and - ubuntu moved to PA because it is the future of Linux desktop audio.
[01:17] <FFForever> ahhh
[01:18] <FFForever> dtchen, did the problem with sound being played by more then 1 app ever get fixed?
[01:18] <FFForever> i know on 8.04 pa locks my audio to only 1 app =\
[01:19] <dtchen> it was (and in some ways continues to be) a chicken-and-egg problem: without testers, bugs won't be caught as quickly, but migrating to it will cause growing paints
[01:19] <dtchen> pains*
[01:19] <dtchen> FFForever: well, that symptom is the notorious lack of hardware multiopen
[01:19] <FFForever> multiopen?
[01:20] <dtchen> Windows and Mac OS spoil their users by exposing one layer for sound abstraction regardless whether the underlying audio hardware supports streaming multiple things simultaneously
[01:21] <FFForever> dtchen, i just wish ubuntu supporters/helpers would move from rtfm in every response... i think ur the first one to actually not tell me rtfm =\
[01:21] <dtchen> historically, only Sound Blaster and Turtle Beach cards were famous for offering that
[01:21] <FFForever> cool =)
[01:21] <IntuitiveNipple> FFForever: I used the forums guide to pulseaudio configuration and never had any issues with it, on Hardy or Intrepid.
[01:21] <dtchen> ALSA has offered a software abstraction called dmix (playback) and dsnoop (capture) since 1.0.9b, but it doesn't work for all audio apps
[01:22] <dtchen> FFForever: so your issue is that not every alsa app uses those abstractions
[01:23] <FFForever> dtchen, do u know how i can get my mic working (i have never been able 2 lol) i don't know if its a pa or an ubuntu thing =\
[01:23] <dtchen> for example, JACK, Audacity, Timidity, and PulseAudio all really, really, really want raw hw (called hw:) access
[01:24] <dtchen> so on audio hardware that only supports one outgoing stream at a time, if PulseAudio has grabbed hw:, then JACK, Audacity, and Timidity will fail to start
[01:24] <FFForever> well raw hw access is better right since it can just route everything itself and not have 2 code for drivers, etc
[01:24] <FFForever> dtchen, yeah i always have 2 start audacity as root =)
[01:25] <dtchen> hw: is exclusive access; to be able to use it with multiple apps, your audio card needs to support hardware multiopen, and currently only certain Creative, Ensoniq, Turtle Beach, C-Media cards do so
[01:26] <dtchen> only a handful of Realtek HDA hardware does, but that support has not been added to the alsa driver for most of them
[01:26] <FFForever> i have a high definition audio card =\
[01:27] <FFForever> (the default one for hp products)
[01:27] <dtchen> (i'm not going to discuss oss, because that's a wider scope - for instance, Nvidia has a proprietary oss driver that correctly mmaps their native soundstorm hw)
[01:28] <dtchen> (not to mention that their oss driver doesn't particularly play well with the alsa-lib oss routing - i.e., the pcm.oss routing, not alsa-kernel's oss emulation)
[01:28] <FFForever> i remember getting xp to have sound was fun lol =)
[01:28] <FFForever> ew
[01:29] <FFForever> dtchen, any idea on how i can get my mic 2 work in ubuntu?
[01:29] <dtchen> anyhow, the audio stack itself is very convoluted (i.e., http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png), but pulseaudio is one component that is the way forward
[01:29] <dtchen> FFForever: well, does it work with alsa (i.e., without pulseaudio running or grabbing the sound card(s))?
[01:30] <FFForever> dtchen, it has never work in linux for me =\, i don't play with configs since i tend 2 break them and well i can never fix them =)
[01:30] <dtchen> FFForever: it's a known issue for some Dell hardware
[01:30] <dtchen> certain Sigmatel HDA 92xx codecs don't have the fix yet
[01:30] <FFForever> this is a hp dv6000 something =\
[01:31] <dtchen> which dv6000 model?
[01:31] <FFForever> 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[01:31] <dtchen> look on the underside of the laptop and read out the model no. right above the warranty bit
[01:31] <FFForever> dtchen, i think its a dv6810us
[01:32] <dtchen> that should be supported just fine in 1.0.19
[01:32] <FFForever> =\, nope audacity cant record =(
[01:32] <dtchen> i don't think the additions have been backported to jaunty's linux source yet
[01:32] <FFForever> do i need 2 install something extra?
[01:33] <dtchen> are you using jaunty's linux for alsa-kernel, or did you compile 1.0.19 from alsa-project.org yourself?
[01:34] <FFForever> dtchen, this should be nearly a stock 9.04 i just upgraded from 8.10
[01:35] <dtchen> right, your sound driver doesn't have the necessary fixes yet
[01:35] <FFForever> any idea when i should see the fixes? (in a month, 2, tmw?)
[01:36] <dtchen> FFForever: have you run the http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh tool?
[01:38] <FFForever> dtchen, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=76ead5ae08acf626e52df335bba932be946a6331
[01:38] <ccooke> Huh.
[01:39] <ccooke> New install of jaunty. Just updated for the first time.
[01:39] <ccooke> I've been waiting for it to log in for about five minutes. It got as far as setting the wallpaper, but that's the only thing it's done
[01:39] <ccooke> known?
[01:40] <dtchen> ccooke: on kubuntu, it seems to be manifest, yes
[01:40] <ccooke> this is ubuntu, not kubuntu
[01:40] <abarbaccia> is gdm broken? i havent had time to read the lists
[01:40] <dtchen> i can't reproduce this on an upgraded ubuntu
[01:40] <dtchen> however, i am *not* using gdm ATM
[01:41] <ccooke> Not sure if it's gdm, the gnome startup or something else, yet
[01:41] <killbillkill> ccooke: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1061919
[01:41] <abarbaccia> ccooke: was that to me?
[01:42] <FFForever> ill brb 10-15mins
[01:42] <dtchen> FFForever: yeah, you seem to be missing a quirk
[01:42] <ccooke> killbillkill: ah, thanks. Trying it...
[01:44] <ccooke> fixed
[01:44] <ccooke> thank you
[01:44] <killbillkill> :)
[02:02] <dyf1> hello
[02:02] <dyf1> i installed the latest partial upgrade and i can't log in using gnome
[02:03] <dyf1> i see the desktop and then everything goes black
[02:03] <dyf1> any ideas?
[02:10] <Amaranth> dyf1: Broken driver
[02:11] <Amaranth> dyf1: login in the failsafe gnome session, it won't start compiz
[02:18] <dyf1> Amaranth: i'll try that later.. thanks
[02:19] <dyf1> Amaranth: but... but.. i want my SPINNAN CUBEZ
[02:19] <dyf1> isn't there another way?
[02:22] <Amaranth> dyf1: not if you use fglrx
[02:24] <dyf1> Amaranth: do you have a minute to tell me what that is?
[02:24] <dyf1> excuse my ignorance
[02:24] <Amaranth> dyf1: driver needed for Radeon HD cards to get 3d
[02:28] <dyf1> but i have nvidia
[02:28] <dyf1> nvidia geforce 7150M
[02:31] <dyf1> Amaranth: ?
[02:32] <Amaranth> dyf1: In that case it should have already been fixed
[02:32] <Amaranth> dyf1: But I guess it may take a couple days
[02:35] <dyf1> Amaranth: couple of days to what? to get more fixes?
[02:35] <Amaranth> dyf1: yeah
[02:36] <dyf1> i see
[02:36] <dyf1> thanks Amaranth
[02:51] <d-b> hi there in jaunty there is only kde 4.11 ?
[02:53] <d-b> oh nevermind kubuntu has 4.2...
[02:58] <d-b> so question then -> the repos for kubuntu are the same as ubuntu right ? like my isp doesn't have a special kubuntu repo....
[02:59] <danbhfive> ya
[03:14] <FFForever> dtchen, you still around?
[04:06] <ziroday> dyf: dont zap is a change where ctrl+alt+backspace has been disabled
[04:06] <dyf> ziroday: lol.. seriously?
[04:06] <dyf> why disable it.. and what's the alternative
[04:06] <tritium> dyf: type /topic, and read the Alpha 4 release notes
[04:07] <tritium> Like I said, if you're running jaunty, at least read the release notes at the very least.
[04:07] <dyf> tritium: ok
[04:07] <dyf> reading
[04:23] <dyf> hello
[04:23] <dyf> so if i installed some updates, can i rollback to a time before i installed them?
[04:24] <Amaranth> dyf: Not really, no
[04:24] <Amaranth> dyf: You want to go back to intrepid, I'm guessing?
[04:24] <dyf> Amaranth: no.. i just installed some updates today that screwed up gnome.. i can only login using fluxbox
[04:25] <DanaG> Ah, you can go to /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:25] <DanaG> then manually use dpkg to install older package versions.
[04:25] <dyf> would be great if i could rollback to before i installed today's updates
[04:25] <dyf> actually it was a "partial distro upgrade"
[04:25] <DanaG> If it's just one day, chances are the old versions will still be there.
[04:25] <syockit> yup, that'd be pardus linux or something
[04:26] <Amaranth> Of course downgrades are not supported and can be complicated, even going back a day
[04:26] <syockit> So far, I haven't seen any good intuitive rollback solution for dpkg/apt-based distro
[04:27] <dyf> i found this which talks about the same issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585410
[04:31] <clp> After installed ubuntu alpha 3, my touchpad cann't work on my notebook. How to do?
[04:31] <clp> 9.04 alpha3
[04:33] <syockit> dyf: wow, thanks for the link!
[04:33] <dyf> syockit: what did you find that was useful?
[04:33] <syockit> clp: probably because synaptics drivers aren't installed by default
[04:33] <syockit> dyf: mentions of timevault/flyback
[04:34] <syockit> dyf: at least that got me to know that something is being worked on
[04:35] <syockit> clp: ctrl-alt-f1, do sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all, then restart x
[04:36] <clp> thanks. let me have a try.
[04:36] <clp> after action of ctrl-alt-f1, how to return back?
[04:39] <syockit> clp: ctrl-alt-f7
[04:39] <syockit> clp: then select restart X session
[04:41] <clp> restarting
[04:42] <clp> Ok
[04:43] <clp> Why has so much problem in ubuntu 9.04 alpha 3?
[04:44] <dyf> clp: because it's alpha?
[04:46] <clp> When can ubuntu release chinese version?After installation, It always spent me much time to download language package and input method?
[04:49] <clp> Then there is some noise in my intel-hda sound effect?
[04:52] <clp> In startup, there is a problem of /var/...dhcp3.(lease|listen?) readonly problem?what's about it?
[04:52] <clp> where to view the log?
[04:54] <Amaranth> clp: The noise is probably because you have a realtek codec in there
[04:54] <Amaranth> Hopefully that'll be fixed but no one knows
[04:54] <Amaranth> syockit: I used to work on timevault, it's dead
[04:55] <syockit> ＼(^o^)／
[04:55] <syockit> crazy nepomukservice
[05:02] <clp> Ok, after alter the /etc/dhcp3/dbclient.conf, it worked well.
[05:04] <syockit> clp: about chinese version, that's up to the chinese, whether they have LoCo or not
[05:04] <syockit> clp: for example, Japanese have their own ubuntulinux.jp
[05:05] <clp> alpha3 problem I found: 1 firefox cann't resolve domain name-->ipv6=False;    2 updatation cann't resolve name-->/etc/dhcp3/dbclient.conf: prepend domain-name-servers ..., ...;   3 touch pad no response
[05:17] <clp> Which driver version I should use? video card: Geforce go 7400, option: 180, 173, 96?
[05:17] <clp> 180 recommended?
[05:18] <lymeca> Okay so it seems maybe xserver-xorg-core being at <IP_ADDRESS> messes up my video drivers
[05:19] <lymeca> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[05:19] <clp> After I set view effect to normal or extended, then ubuntu is continuing run....
[05:19] <lymeca> I tried fglrx and radeon, both packages updated jaunty versions
[05:19] <dyf> is there a pdf viewer that shows white text on black background?
[05:20] <clp> Ok, I used 180 version, it worked ok.
[05:23] <clp> Now my ubuntu worked well, I am very appreciated.
[05:24] <clp> I want to back up ubuntu partition to image file. Can ghost used for ext4 partition's backup?
[05:40] <FFForever2> how do i reconfigure a package?
[05:44] <syockit> FFForever2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure <package name>
[06:22] <Adys> Could someone running jaunty go to System=>Shut Down and confirm you get an unstyled window? something like this http://devcub.com/~adys/shutdown.png
[06:27] <andersk> Yes, but that happens during every Ubuntu release; I wouldn't worry about it.
[06:30] <Adys> oh
[06:30] <Adys> never noticed, its not like i ever use this menu ...
[07:00] <taavikko> anyinfo about x-fi soundcards working in jaunty/ubuntu in general, alsa support?
[07:05] <emet> not sure but there is hope: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=creative_xfi_gift&num=1
[07:08] <taavikko> thanks, read through creatives, own opensource wiki, but not too much info... does it need to be compiled and such
[07:09] <taavikko> maybe I'll buy products from vendors that do support linux :D
[07:09] <bullgard4> taavikko: /join #ubuntu+1
[07:11] <taavikko> bullgard4: this isn't it, joined and this is where i was thronw :)
[07:13] <taavikko> and about x-fi, alsa doesn't yet support it http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzAwMw
[07:35] <zniavre> hello
[07:35] <zniavre> i can't start compiz but drivers seems correctly installed
[07:46] <DanaG> Creative is also scum -- take a look on their forums if you want to see why.
[07:47] <Adys> gnome-appearance-properties segfaulting on icon theme install for anyone?
[07:51] <maco> evolution users?
[07:52] <maco> anyone finding that some of their memo or task lists in evolution are missing?
[07:52] <maco> by missing i mean, they're unchecked (so not visible) but they refuse to be checked (and made visible). attempts at creating a new task/memo results in "unable to open tasks in 'Personal'" (or whatever list it is)
[08:03] <DanaG> ugh, stupid gnome video thumbnailer was taking 112% CPU usage.
[08:04] <DanaG> =P
[08:05] <zniavre> 112?
[08:06] <DanaG> yup.  More than 100% of one core.
[08:06] <DanaG> At least that's what htop was reporting.
[08:23] <Adys> adys@azura:~$ glxgears    Error: glXCreateContext failed
[08:23] <Adys> i guess this is due to last xserver-core update (nv 180.27)
[08:27] <clp> After I setted the visual effect,then I cann't enter into desktop. How to do?
[08:28] <clp> I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, then it ok. But then?When it will go wrong?
[08:46] <clp> After I active the nvidia 180 driver, I can login but cann't enter Desktop. Now I used the default driver.    How to do?
[08:50] <clp> pint 5
[08:54] <zniavre> clp:  i experienced this it's compiz the issue
[08:54] <zniavre> you should make compiz start in indirect rendering
[08:56] <clp> Where to start compiz?
[08:56] <zniavre> in fact i do not know i started with nv driver unactivated compiz and rebooted with nvidia drivers
[08:57] <zniavre> :-[
[08:57] <zniavre> and gnome session can start normally
[08:57] <clp> ok, thanks. I go to google
[09:50] <Unggnu> hi all
[09:50] <Unggnu> Does Gnome in Jaunty support reverse vnc connections?
[11:03] <gerryxiao> hello
[11:03] <gerryxiao> after updated  januty cant start up
[11:04] <gerryxiao>  Error 24 : Attempt to access block outside partition
[11:04] <gerryxiao> kernel version: 2.6.28-6-generic
[11:04] <gerryxiao> any ideas?
[11:05] <gerryxiao> i'm using ext4
[11:06] <gerryxiao> anyone here?
[11:07] <BUGabundo> guys....
[11:07] <BUGabundo> we have some big prob
[11:07] <BUGabundo> do you remember yesterday everyone coming here and complaining with probs with X and NVidia?
[11:08] <BUGabundo> well, while I was replying to someone right here, my X froze, and I couldn't login again
[11:08] <BUGabundo> only after setting the noveu driver GDM session worked
[11:08] <BUGabundo> not even startx worked
[11:12] <BUGabundo> gathereing now logs, and opening a bug
[11:31] <maxb> BUGabundo: It's already filed...
[11:31] <BUGabundo> maxb: thanks... do you have the ticket for it?
[11:31] <maxb> And the workaround is to downgrade xserver-xorg-core to -0ubuntu1
[11:31]  * maxb hunts bugnumber
[11:32] <BUGabundo> or to not use nvidia
[11:32] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:32] <maxb> LP 326344
[11:32] <BUGabundo> subing now
[11:33] <BUGabundo> maxb: thanks
[11:33] <BUGabundo> humm
[11:34] <BUGabundo> maxb: those are all about compix
[11:34] <BUGabundo> *compiz
[11:34] <BUGabundo> but I don't even have my on
[11:34] <maxb> bug summary probably needs clarifying
[11:35] <BUGabundo> all of the dupes?
[11:36] <maxb> The main bug has comments from someone reporting the same issue with kde
[12:03] <idorock89> hey guys will 9.04 have internet sharing feature which is there in fedora 10?
[12:09] <fosco_> every linux can share internet connection
[12:35] <miik> anyone experienced problems today?
[12:35] <miik> yesterday works fine, today GNOME dont start, it freeze when you login and gnome-panel never appear
[12:35] <BUGabundo> just the X one
[12:35] <BUGabundo> yep
[12:35] <miik> also KDE freezes too...
[12:35] <BUGabundo> that's the one miik
[12:36] <miik> however, KDE using the OpenBox window manager works
[12:36] <BUGabundo> just run the xfix from recovery
[12:36] <BUGabundo> and you will be fine
[12:36] <BUGabundo> but without 3D
[12:36] <fosco_> kde4.2 is working fine here
[12:36] <miik> right now, im running LXDE, it works, and its nice
[12:36] <miik> what is xfix?
[12:36] <virtuelv> anyone notice significant increases in memory use?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> its an option on the recovery console
[12:37] <miik> oh
[12:37] <miik> i dont know what is recovery console
[12:37] <BUGabundo> that runs dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[12:37] <BUGabundo> virtuelv: I did!
[12:37] <BUGabundo> no need miik
[12:37] <BUGabundo> just boot into recovery console
[12:37] <miik> how do i do that?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> once you it GRUB
[12:38] <BUGabundo> miik: BOOT the PC, and once you get to GRUB, it ESC
[12:38] <virtuelv> BUGabundo: any known reasons at this stage?
[12:38] <BUGabundo> and select recovery
[12:38] <miik> ah, okie
[12:38] <BUGabundo> then choose xfix
[12:38] <miik> aye
[12:38] <BUGabundo> no idea virtuelv
[12:38] <virtuelv> I'm testing on a laptop with 1GB, it's downright painful
[12:38] <BUGabundo> but it is disturbing
[12:38] <miik> alright
[12:38] <BUGabundo> 4GiBs on 64bits
[12:38] <virtuelv> X alone is using over 100MiB now
[12:40] <BUGabundo> that's not much
[12:41] <BUGabundo> $ top | grep X
[12:41] <BUGabundo>  5165 root     137m  16m 355m  20   0 S  4.8  3.5   3:38.25 /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten
[13:00] <syockit> hoho I have it at 154m
[13:00] <miik> xfix worked.. but it made new xorg.conf file, that did use nv instead of nvidia proprietary driver
[13:00] <miik> so then i changed back the xorg.conf file to my old one, that used nvidia proprietary driver
[13:00] <miik> and then it dont work again
[13:00] <miik> i wanted to use the proprietary cuz it has 3D and can play games
[13:03] <miik> btw, LXDE is crazy fast...
[13:03] <miik> GNOME is horrible slow
[13:14] <virtuelv> miik: that's a known issue at this stage
[13:15] <virtuelv> read the changelog
[13:17] <virtuelv> or it was, at least in alpha3, the note is gone from alpha 4
[13:18] <BUGabundo> miik: if you want a stable system use a stable release!
[13:18] <BUGabundo> devel version can and WILL cause breakeage
[13:19] <virtuelv> fwiw, I _really_ dislike this change: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts
[13:19] <virtuelv> as much as we may dislike it, the web is built around 96 DPI, and anything else will break how the web looks
[13:21] <BUGabundo> virtuelv: diff bug
[13:21] <BUGabundo> the one in A3 was the abi ignore
[13:21] <BUGabundo> this one is new
[13:21] <BUGabundo> just started yesterday with new Xorg
[13:21] <virtuelv> hm
[13:23] <miik> virtuelv, win and mac use 96 dpi?
[13:23] <miik> BUGabundo, yeah, i thnik so
[13:24] <BUGabundo> miik: not always
[13:24] <BUGabundo> and so shouldn't Linux
[13:24] <BUGabundo> now, FINALLY GNOME is fixed
[13:24] <BUGabundo> my X recomened 112DPIs for my 13.3" laptop
[13:24] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:24] <BUGabundo> had to set 96 again
[13:26] <virtuelv> BUGabundo: 112DPI is probably correct for 13.3" at 1280x800, or so
[13:27] <virtuelv> the problem is that how designers have used pixels on the web doesn't jive with that
[13:27] <virtuelv> (The CSS pixel does not correspond to a device pixel, but instead is a relative unit based on a view angle)
[13:28] <SwedeMike> hm, mine (1280x800 12.1") says 96 DPI.. .but after the last update I have larger system font than before (both in the toolbars and in Firefox), and I dont think the DPI setting has changed
[13:30] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: make sure of the value
[13:30] <SwedeMike> which value? DPI?
[13:31] <SwedeMike> my Xorg.0.log.old says 96 DPI which is the same as Xorg.0.log
[13:31] <BUGabundo> why
[13:31] <BUGabundo> y
[13:31] <BUGabundo> ok
[13:33] <SwedeMike> xdpyinfo says resolution:    125x125 dots per inch
[13:33] <BUGabundo> ahh
[13:34] <SwedeMike> which I think is correct
[13:34] <SwedeMike> 125 is also in the System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts > Details
[13:35] <BUGabundo> so its not 96 as u said
[13:35] <SwedeMike> so now I have changed all fonts in Appearence > Fonts to size 7, and now everything looks more propotional. They were set to 10 before
[13:36] <SwedeMike> swmike@swm-laptop:/var/log$ cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log  | grep DPI
[13:36] <SwedeMike> [1 sec: 567945 usec](==) intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:37] <BUGabundo> 7 is to small for my eyes
[13:37] <SwedeMike> well, 7 means they're roughly the same size they were with a fresh alpha 3 install
[13:37] <SwedeMike> I dont know what changed.
[13:38] <SwedeMike> with 10 they were huuuuge
[13:38] <BUGabundo> yep
[13:38] <BUGabundo> that's what we are discussing here
[13:40] <SwedeMike> and this came after me installing updates yesterday (I do this at least every two days) and rebooting
[13:42] <virtuelv> arve@galactica:~$  cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log  | grep DPI
[13:42] <virtuelv> (==) intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:42] <virtuelv> (**) intel(0): DPI set to (99, 171)
[13:42] <virtuelv> 99,171!?
[13:43] <miik> [1 sec: 271944 usec](--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (93, 95); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[13:43] <miik> (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (93, 95); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[13:43] <miik> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI
[13:43] <miik> (==) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (75, 75); computed from built-in default
[13:43] <miik> (==) VESA(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:44] <BUGabundo> [2 sec: 426220 usec](==) NV(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:44] <BUGabundo> (**) VESA(0): DPI set to (68, 65)
[13:44] <BUGabundo> (==) VESA(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:44] <miik> 65, aeeeeeeeeh
[13:46] <BUGabundo> miik: makes sense for VESA
[13:46] <BUGabundo> but I'm on NV
[13:47] <miik> oh
[14:05] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  I just upgraded my test host and dhcp seems to fail at adding the default route in Jaunty.  is there any known fix?
[14:06] <BUGabundo> Q-FUNK: is the interface managed or un-managed?
[14:07] <Q-FUNK> BUGabundo: everything is handled by n-m
[14:07] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:07] <BUGabundo> cable or wifi?
[14:07] <Q-FUNK> wifi
[14:09] <BUGabundo> open, wep, wpa, wpa2, enterprise?
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> the interface correctly has an IP and /etc/resolv.conf shows appropriate content.  however, no default route exists.  manualy adding one with "route add default gw {router IP}" works.
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> wpa2
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> I'd be lead to beleive that some dhcp3-client hook is not executed, but I'm not sure how I'd verify this.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> did you find any similar bug on LP?
[14:11] <Q-FUNK> nothing so far.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> please open a new one
[14:12] <BUGabundo> and if you can, please run a live CD of a previous version
[14:12] <BUGabundo> and also try the version of NM, available on the NM PPA
[14:12] <Q-FUNK> team NM has its own PPA?
[14:13] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[14:13] <BUGabundo> yep
[14:13] <Q-FUNK> ok
[14:14] <Q-FUNK> anyhow, it's the only bug so far since uprading this to jaunty.  it's just that having to manually add the gw to the routing table obviously is a regression.
[14:14] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[14:15] <BUGabundo> thats why we need you to test the PPA version
[14:15] <BUGabundo> so that asac can patch it
[14:22] <BUGabundo> $ xvinfo  \n  X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present
[14:22] <BUGabundo> any idea what this means?
[15:18] <ali1234> some update in the past 24 hrs has broken my wifi
[15:18] <ali1234> wep 128 - it keeps asking me for the key over and over
[15:19] <ali1234> i'm using ath5k - and it worked fine yesterday
[16:35] <rtr> hi there, i just installed the current Jaunty and after first boot i installed the drivers for my nvidia card. Xorg works because i can see the background wallpaper and my mouse but nothing else (like start menu, desktop icons) starts
[16:36] <rtr> alt+f2 doesnt work, but i can switch to console using crtl+alt+f2
[16:36] <BUGabundo> rtr: strange
[16:37] <rtr> is there a logfile wich i should check for debuging?
[17:27] <saulus> (jaunty): since my x-server upgrade yesterday I cant use gnome/kde/xmonad any longer. Is there a solution available?
[17:27] <BUGabundo> saulus: start in recovery consolse
[17:27] <BUGabundo> and run xfix
[17:28] <BUGabundo> to reconfigure xserve-org
[17:28] <BUGabundo> you will lose 3D
[17:28] <saulus> how do i start in recovery-console? I have my root - shell here
[17:28] <BUGabundo> reboot the laptop, when you hit GRUB, press ESC
[17:28] <BUGabundo> select recovery console
[17:28] <saulus> k
[17:29] <syockit> you mean to select the second line?
[17:29] <BUGabundo> y
[17:29] <BUGabundo> and then xfix
[17:29] <syockit> some lucky people have two computers it seems
[17:29] <saulus> is there a command for starting xfix?
[17:29] <BUGabundo> heehe
[17:30] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:30] <BUGabundo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[17:30] <saulus> k
[17:30] <BUGabundo> but I my have made typo mistakes
[17:31] <rtr> there is a problem known with 3d drivers on jaunty?
[17:31] <BUGabundo> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[17:31] <syockit> which? fglrx maybe
[17:31] <legodude> yes
[17:31] <BUGabundo> I already said the same 10 times
[17:31] <syockit> yes, but maybe different occasions
[17:31] <BUGabundo> rtr xorg update broke 3D
[17:32] <BUGabundo> just reconfigure xserver
[17:32] <syockit> but my 3d works! glxgears with 778 fps
[17:33] <BUGabundo> just yesterday we were talking about /topic warnings! we need to have this bug there
[17:33] <BUGabundo> its CRITICAL
[17:33] <BUGabundo> syockit: did you upgrade»
[17:33] <BUGabundo> ?
[17:33] <syockit> I suppose everyone who jumps into the channel should be directed to read release note first
[17:33] <BUGabundo> are you running nvidia?
[17:33] <syockit> I'm intel
[17:33] <BUGabundo> its not in the release notes
[17:33] <BUGabundo> just came yesterday
[17:33] <syockit> yay for intel! It's passed it's doomed period
[17:33] <BUGabundo> intel uses the opendriver
[17:33] <syockit> now only nvidia/ati left
[17:33] <BUGabundo> not proprietary
[17:34] <BUGabundo> noveu driver also works
[17:34] <BUGabundo> I'm using it right now
[17:34] <saulus> BUGabundo: thank you, it solved my problem - but I wonder: The nvidia driver gets loaded fine (at least the splash shows up) - so where does it fail?
[17:34] <Welshman> geez Jaunty does demeted a drive :(
[17:34] <BUGabundo> I know
[17:35] <Welshman> deleted even
[17:35] <BUGabundo> it must be a bug with X/gdm session
[17:35] <BUGabundo> but it also happens on KDE
[17:35]  * BUGabundo :( shrugs
[17:35] <legodude> you mean nvidia not loading kde?
[17:35] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:35] <Welshman> lost a load of stuff, just on a simple partition thing
[17:35] <BUGabundo> or ati
[17:35] <rtr> BUGabundo do you know a bugreport on launchpad?
[17:36] <BUGabundo> let me get it
[17:36] <legodude> grrr
[17:36] <BUGabundo> not on my log
[17:36] <BUGabundo> just a sec
[17:36] <Welshman> Has Jaunty a nown partition failure?
[17:36] <Welshman> known
[17:37] <BUGabundo> Welshman: 1st time I ear about it
[17:37] <syldeb35> Bug #326344
[17:37] <Welshman> went for the simple partition as I usually do with Ubuntu and it failed and wiped the whole drive clean
[17:38] <rtr> thanks alot  BUGabundo
[17:38] <BUGabundo> thanks syldeb35
[17:38] <BUGabundo> can some one put that bug on /Topic?
[17:38] <BUGabundo> Pici: ^^^
[17:38] <saulus> how do I change my system lang (the keyboard-set)?
[17:38] <saulus> in the CONSOLE
[17:39] <legodude> I don't understand how that bug could have gotten out
[17:40] <Welshman> yeah he does that
[17:44] <Welshman> Anyway, thought you should know, I went to edit a partition with jaunty tonight as usual with Ubuntu and it failed, but it wiped the whole drive clean.  I saw a warning as ever but trusted but this time I should have listened.
[17:44] <Welshman> No idea why it did that?
[17:45] <Welshman> Any majorr changes in the partitioning of Jaunty?
[17:49] <fosco_> ext4 support
[17:58] <syockit> it's still not default, if I'm not mistaken
[17:59] <BUGabundo> nope
[17:59] <BUGabundo> not default
[17:59] <charlie-tca> syockit: according to release notes, it won't be made default in jaunty
[18:00] <BUGabundo> +1
[18:00] <syockit> how did he edit the partition anyway...
[18:07] <DanaG> Time for testdisk, to recover partition table?
[18:08] <DanaG> !info TestDisk
[18:08] <DanaG> !info testdisk
[18:11] <twoheadedboy> Hello everyone, I was wondering if you all could give me some general info about upgrading Ubuntu development releases. For instance, has any tried upgrading from 9.04 Alpha 3 to Alpha 4 rather than doing a fresh install? I'm just curious because I'm very interested in trying Alpha 4, don't mind some bugs, but I find the process of installing a distro from scratch tediuous...
[18:11] <twoheadedboy> ...so it would be more ideal for me if I could continue to upgrade through to the final release
[18:14] <BUGabundo> twoheadedboy: should be the same!
[18:15] <BUGabundo> and you dotn need to use milestones
[18:15] <BUGabundo> there are available dailies
[18:15] <BUGabundo>  !dailies
[18:15] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[18:15] <twoheadedboy> but don't the dailies have higher potential for install bugs? I thought the alpha releases were "more stable" at least on the install end of things?
[18:18] <DanaG> ugh, stupid nvidia... it DOES give only the desktop background on Gnome login.
[18:18] <BUGabundo> it can have, sure
[18:18] <BUGabundo> DanaG: known bug
[18:18] <BUGabundo> Bug #326344
[18:18] <BUGabundo> grr someone should change that subject
[18:19] <DanaG> that's why I said, "it DOES do it" -- a confirmation.
[18:19] <DanaG> Oh, and Metacity is affected too.
[18:19] <DanaG> ... if you have compositing.
[18:19] <DanaG> Ugh, and it booted at 800x600, for some reason.
[18:20] <DanaG> Oh, I know why...
[18:20] <DanaG> the LCD claims to be 969x768.
[18:20] <DanaG> Damn Toshiba.
[18:21]  * DanaG switches that system back to nouveau.
[18:21] <DanaG> Last time I tried the nvidia on X server 1.6, it just segfaulted the X server.
[18:24] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:27] <DanaG> 969x768... that's just plain stupid.
[18:28] <BUGabundo> lolol
[18:35] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:44] <ccooke> Hmm.
[18:45] <DanaG> In fact, that 966x768 even affects the Windows drivers.
[18:46] <ccooke> the flow of package updates for Jaunty seems different to previous releases (as in: I'm seeing a lower rate of updates than I'm used to at this point in the dev cycle)
[19:17] <beligerant> jaunty's good prog.
[19:18] <beligerant> sorry, boring.
[19:18] <BUGabundo> spammer
[19:24] <DrHalan> there used to be a soudn applet in the notifcation area. with alpha 4 is igone..
[19:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Hah! I see *two* different mixers applets
[19:27] <IntuitiveNipple> gnome-volume-applet and mixer_applet2
[19:27] <DrHalan> yeah but mixer applet2 is nicer
[19:27] <DrHalan> it fit sinto the notification area
[19:32] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: you have to remove the .desktop of the older
[19:33] <BUGabundo> some ppl the update didn't go too well
[19:33] <BUGabundo> there is a bug for it on LP
[19:33] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: nice :) thanks
[19:36] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: i cant find the bug sadly :(
[19:43] <imme-emosol> To change my password from the command-line I should be typing the command passwd , right?
[19:44] <imme-emosol> When I do this for a newly added user, or for the root user, it just tells me: password updated successfully
[19:47] <imme-emosol> With m normal user-account it asks me my current password and the it tells me the password updated successfully .
[19:48] <imme-emosol> Is it something that still had to be worked out, or is my system weird?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> imme-emosol: it just changes the user pass
[19:49] <BUGabundo> sudo passwd USERNAME will change ANY user pass
[19:49] <imme-emosol> BUGabundo: yes, it should, but it doesn't, normally it's like three stages, right?
[19:49] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:49] <BUGabundo> starts, you enter the pass, and its done
[19:50] <imme-emosol> BUGabundo: But It does not ask me for a new password.
[19:50] <BUGabundo> dinner
[19:50] <BUGabundo> brb
[19:50] <imme-emosol> k
[19:53] <charlie-tca> imme-emosol: I think because it ignores you if you did not include all the parts: Usage: passwd [options] [LOGIN]
[19:55] <imme-emosol> charlie-tca: I type(newuser is the name of the new user): passwd newuser
[19:55] <imme-emosol> charlie-tca: Then it just tells me it had updated successfully, which I don't understand.
[19:56] <charlie-tca> type passwd --help
[19:56] <charlie-tca> It may be adding a new user without any password, and when you log in as the user, it will ask for the password. It is also possible to create a user without a password
[19:58] <imme-emosol> charlie-tca: Yes, at the moment I have a user without a password, which I don't like and I want to change this.
[19:58] <imme-emosol> But somehow that cannot be done.
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Try logging into the terminal as root and changing it for the user?
[19:59] <imme-emosol> It again just tells me it updated succesfully.
[20:00] <imme-emosol> I tried it using sudo su - and also with sudo -s
[20:00] <imme-emosol> both unfortunately did not do the trick.
[20:02] <charlie-tca> probably have to use "passwd -ue LOGIN" to unlock the password. Then log in as that user and it should ask for a password
[20:02] <DanaG> odd... rebooting from X with Nouveau resulted in the next boot having completely corrupt video up until X started again.
[20:02] <DanaG> .... even the BIOS splash was corrupted.
[20:04] <imme-emosol> charlie-tca: Also no luck.
[20:04] <imme-emosol> DanaG: What's even more odd is that x won't go past loading the background... :P
[20:05] <DanaG> For me it did, on Nouveau.
[20:05] <imme-emosol> DanaG: Is there a way to be sure compiz is disabled from command-line?
[20:06] <DanaG> you can sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/compiz.real
[20:06] <DanaG> Makes the compiz binary not executable.
[20:07] <DanaG> When you want to re-enable it, do +x instead.
[20:08] <kab> I have a problem starting my Gnome Session
[20:08] <kab> I get this error
[20:08] <kab> ** Message: init gpgme version 1.1.8
[20:08] <kab> x-session-manager[31997]: WARNING: Application 'seahorse-daemon.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[20:08] <charlie-tca> imme-emosol: sounds like bug reporting time
[20:08] <kab> x-session-manager[31997]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-panel.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[20:09] <kab> x-session-manager[31997]: WARNING: Application 'nautilus.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[20:09] <mphill_> kab: can you not get gnome to get up the desktop environment?
[20:09] <kab> mphill_, yeap
[20:10] <mphill_> i'm pretty much locked out too
[20:10] <kab> I am using WindowMaker right now
[20:10] <mphill_> nice choice my friend
[20:10] <kab> :)
[20:10] <kab> and there run gnome-panel and it's working very well
[20:11] <mphill_> oh
[20:11] <mphill_> nice
[20:11] <mphill_> i'm just in the console, but i will try that out for sure
[20:11] <mphill_> later
[20:16] <kab> mphill_, so you have exactly the same problem that me
[20:16] <imme-emosol> kab: Thanks for the perfect tip!   I am figurly speaking smashing my head in right now, not undertstanding why I did not myself come up with the idea to install another window-manager besides gnome...
[20:17] <kab> imme-emosol, it's not perfect but works :)
[20:19] <BUGabundo> imme-emosol: I said at the beginning: sudo passwd USERNAME
[20:19] <BUGabundo> kab known bug
[20:20] <kab> I am searching the bug in launchpad
[20:20] <imme-emosol> BUGabundo: I know, I tried that but that does not work.
[20:20] <BUGabundo> Bug #326344
[20:20] <BUGabundo> should be on !topic
[20:21] <imme-emosol> BUGabundo: It just prints out this      passwd: password updated successfully
[20:24] <imme-emosol> brb
[20:27] <kab> trying
[20:44] <kab> I am running my gnome with the bug tip thank you BUGabundo :)
[20:44] <BUGabundo> everyone is
[20:44] <BUGabundo> unless they own intel GPU
[20:45] <legodude_> <---- :)
[20:46] <kab> when I am playing mp3 I get pauses, I am using audacious
[20:46]  * DanaG is using radeon.
[20:46] <BUGabundo> kab: pauses or mutes?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> PA 9.14 or 9.15
[20:46] <kab> BUGabundo, mutes
[20:46] <DanaG> My biggest gripe with it is not the lack of acceleration, but rather the lack of power management.
[20:47] <BUGabundo> GPM seem to be running here
[20:47] <BUGabundo> didn't test it dought
[20:47] <centaur5> I know I need to file a bug but I'm not sure what the culprit is going to be.  Installing Intrepid or Jaunty alpha 3 will complete on my system but Grub won't actually boot it just says "GRUB loading, please wait". Upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid via apt-get caused Intrepid to boot fine but now I want to try Jaunty.
[20:47] <kab> BUGabundo, pulseaudio 0.9.14
[20:48] <DanaG> Mine is 0.9.14.
[20:48] <DanaG> Where can I get 0.9.15?
[20:48] <BUGabundo> ~/themuso PPA
[20:48] <BUGabundo> for testing ONLY
[20:49] <DanaG> Aah, oddly enough, I do have that enabled.
[20:49] <BUGabundo> will not be ported to jaunty
[20:49] <DanaG> What's new in 0.9.15, anyway?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> DanaG: run apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[20:49] <kab> BUGabundo, Jaunty will be shipped with 0.9.14?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio:
[20:49] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.9.15~test1-0ubuntu1~ppa4
[20:49] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 0.9.15~test1-0ubuntu1~ppa4
[20:49] <BUGabundo>   Version table:
[20:49] <BUGabundo>  *** 0.9.15~test1-0ubuntu1~ppa4 0
[20:49] <BUGabundo>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main Packages
[20:49] <BUGabundo>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:49] <BUGabundo>      0.9.14-0ubuntu4 0
[20:49] <BUGabundo>         500 ftp://darkstar.ist.utl.pt jaunty/main Packages
[20:49] <BUGabundo>         500 ftp://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
[20:49] <BUGabundo> kab YES
[20:49] <BUGabundo> with many GIT patch
[20:49] <DanaG> oh yeah, I see... I have it in my intrepid sources.list, but not in my jaunty one.
[20:50] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:50] <kab> BUGabundo, how I can install PulseAudio 0.9.15?
[20:50] <DanaG> Last time I tweaked my sources, the PPA didn't have Jaunty, so I commented out that entry to avoid 404 errors.
[20:50] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:50] <BUGabundo> I do that when I distupgrade
[20:50] <BUGabundo> and around A1
[20:50] <BUGabundo> then I stop caring unless I get errors
[20:50] <BUGabundo> until the next pre-alpha release
[20:50] <BUGabundo> eehhehe
[20:53] <DanaG> What's new in 0.9.15?
[20:53] <lymeca> Is fglrx broken in jaunty?
[20:54] <surfaz> lymeca, yes
[20:54] <lymeca> surfaz: is it the kernel?
[20:55] <lymeca> 2.6.28?  Or the xserver-xorg-core version?
[20:55] <BUGabundo> DanaG: no idea. ask grisum or themuso
[20:55] <BUGabundo> lymeca: YES
[20:55] <BUGabundo> Bug #326344
[20:55] <surfaz> lymeca, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha3#Known%20Issues
[20:55] <surfaz> A new XServer, version 1.6, is included in Alpha 3. The binary proprietary drivers -fglrx and -nvidia are not yet supported for this server and will exhibit various serious issues if run against it. Users of these drivers are encouraged to wait or to switch to the corresponding open source drivers 4(-ati and -nv respectively) in the meantime.
[20:55] <BUGabundo> surfaz: that's another bug
[20:56] <BUGabundo> this was just yesterday
[20:56] <lymeca> Hmm, I wonder if I can downgrde xserver to intrepid and keep everything else jaunty
[20:57] <DanaG> I've done it, but it results in X server eating 100% of one core for me.
[20:57] <DanaG> So, it's not a viable option.
[20:57] <BUGabundo> lymeca: no need to use ibex
[20:57] <BUGabundo> you may still have the old one in cache
[20:57] <BUGabundo> so just go to synaptic and FORCE the old version
[20:58] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ibex X is not compatible with current jaunty stack
[20:58] <DanaG> Yeah, I figured something like that.
[20:58] <DanaG> At least radeon ⋙ nv.
[20:59] <lymeca> DanaG: This is true
[20:59] <lymeca> However, I have an HD 2600
[20:59] <lymeca> r6xx = no accel whatsoever with radeon
[20:59] <DanaG> I have an HD3650.
[20:59] <DanaG> for me, the lack of power management is the bigger deal.
[20:59] <lymeca> Same generation.
[20:59] <lymeca> Ah, interesting.
[20:59] <lymeca> I have a Mobility HD 2600 actually
[21:00] <lymeca> in an Asus laptop=
[21:00] <DanaG> Mobility for me, also.
[21:00] <BUGabundo> what up with GPM for you DanaG?
[21:00] <DanaG> HP EliteBook 8530w.
[21:00] <DanaG> GPM meaning GPM (the console mouse thingy) or G-P-M (gnome-power-manager)?
[21:01] <lymeca> graphics power management?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> G-P-M
[21:02] <BUGabundo> humm are you saying graphics?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> is it even managed??
[21:02] <lymeca> BUGabundo: But yeah you think that ibex X.Org + jaunty fglrx 9.1 will fail
[21:03] <DanaG> But I also tried the Intrepid LiveUSB, and 9.1 failed on that, too.
[21:03] <DanaG> Anything newer than 8.543 gives me a kernel panic, essentially.
[21:03] <BUGabundo> don't recommend it!
[21:03] <BUGabundo> either use opensource drivers or try to downgrade from cache
[21:05] <DanaG> read my sentence.
[21:05] <DanaG> Even Intrepid breaks.
[21:05] <DanaG> Actual Intrepid.
[21:06] <DanaG> So anyway, I'm on open-source on Jaunty; so be it.
[21:06] <DanaG> I just pray they unbreak fglrx when they fix it for X server 1.6.
[21:06] <DanaG> ... because for me, it's broken even for Intrepid.
[21:07] <BUGabundo> DanaG: my reply was to lymeca
[21:07] <DanaG> ah.
[21:07] <lymeca> I wonder if Catalyst 9.2 will work with xserver 1.6
[21:08] <BUGabundo> guys ask on #ubuntu-x
[21:08] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:08] <DanaG> Nope, it won't.
[21:08] <DanaG> or rather.
[21:08] <DanaG> 9.1. doesn't.
[21:08] <DanaG> And 9.2 has been leaked... and doesn't.
[21:08] <lymeca> aw damn
[21:37] <miik> gnome freezes at login since of today... is there any bug report about this
[21:37] <miik> ?
[21:39] <kab> miik, yes this is https://launchpad.net/bugs/326344
[21:40] <miik> oh
[21:40] <miik> thx
[21:41] <BUGabundo> Fri Feb 13 23:31:30 WET 2009
[21:41] <BUGabundo> kab: isn't there another bug for that, but with a much better subject
[21:42] <kab> BUGabundo, i haven't seen
[21:43] <BUGabundo> can you fix the subject?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> it has nothing to do with compiz
[21:44] <miik> hope its fixed soon
[21:46] <BUGabundo> 36h and couting
[21:49] <DanaG> Odd.. .the PPA pulse 0.9.15 doesn't have all the 0.9.15 features.
[21:50] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/query?status=closed&milestone=0.9.15
[21:50] <DanaG> Argh, the PPA doesn't have the pulseaudio utilities!
[21:50] <DanaG> Grr.
[21:50] <DanaG> In fact, the utilities are still 0.9.6!
[21:51] <DanaG> That's 9 versions old.
[21:53] <miik> :(
[21:54] <DanaG> Really really really od.
[21:54] <DanaG> old.
[21:54] <miik> someone need update it, i cant :(
[21:55] <DanaG> Anyone know how to build a newer version?
[21:55] <DanaG> That really rather irritates me.
[21:56] <miik> you have to download it from website, compile it, then build a package, then upload it to PPA
[21:56] <miik> complex :(
[21:57] <BUGabundo> or simply ask crisum or themuso!
[21:58] <DanaG> Neither is here right now.
[21:58] <DanaG> Anyway, I don't need it to be "today", but I would like to see it upgraded "some time".
[21:58] <miik> yeah, agree
[21:58] <syockit> you should check out the motu pages on wiki
[21:59] <syockit> then they'll lead to debian package maintainers guide that points out what you need to do to upgrade packages
[22:00] <syockit> I did a couple of package upgrades myself, but never had a working one to be published
[22:01] <DanaG> It's also still not detecting my HDMI port.
[22:02] <DanaG> That was one of the things it was supposed to fix.
[22:02] <erle-> how is filename encryption implemented in the "private home folder"?
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the new PA 0.9.15 actually still doesn't add HDMI.
[22:31] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/139
[22:31] <DanaG> Fixed?  Not quite.
[22:31] <miik> :(
[23:27] <ccooke> Odd. I can't recall the last time I had no packages to update at all in a day this early in a release's life :-)


[00:40] <ex-parrot> afternoon all. does anyone have Bionic running on the Pi 3 with functioning HDMI audio?
[00:40] <ex-parrot> I'm tearing my hair out trying to make that go
[00:40] <ex-parrot> I'm using the arm64 build


[02:57] <kc8qvp> Is there an apt repo that has Qt 5.1 RC1 built for Ubuntu 13.04?
[06:47] <ElectricPrism> I'm looking for a link to download ubuntu one to install via usb either standard or netinstall, can anyone copy+paste it for me
[06:49] <bazhang> ElectricPrism, you may wish to ask in #ubuntuone , I'm not sure if thats possible
[06:50] <ElectricPrism> bazhang: isnt this channel the development version of ubuntu? I would suppose theres a way to install it i imagine, #ubuntuone  seems like it's for the dropbox like storage service, and thanks for the thought
[06:50] <bazhang> ElectricPrism, ah you meant saucy
[06:51] <ElectricPrism> bazhang, yes :)
[06:51] <bazhang> "download ubuntu one" would be normally interpreted as what I got
[06:51] <ElectricPrism> I just googled saucy insted of "Ubuntu+1 download", it yielded this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[06:52] <bazhang> that seems correct
[06:52] <ElectricPrism> thanks for the tip
[11:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:31] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:32] <redgirl> hello
[14:33] <redgirl> does ubuntu server 04.13 reconnect wifi?
[14:33] <redgirl> *13.04 sorry
[14:42] <Daekdroom> redgirl, 13.04 support is over at #ubuntu
[14:42] <Daekdroom> *is at
[14:43] <redgirl> what?
[14:44] <Daekdroom> This is not the channel for help with 13.04
[14:44] <Daekdroom> It's no longer in development, but released.
[14:45] <lordievader> This channel is for 13.10 (Saucy) support.
[14:45] <redgirl> Okay.
[14:45] <redgirl> So...
[14:45] <redgirl> Saucy reconnects to wifi it was dropped?
[14:46] <redgirl> And if I configured the primary wireless network.
[14:47] <redgirl> If do I ready to upgrade to Saucy or give an advice with network-manager.
[14:50] <Ian_Corne> Anyone got working status bar and dock in unity yet?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, I did , til I got tired of it and switched back to kde , so it does work
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> i installed fglrx-updates,which means it works now,but unity still doesnt.
[15:06] <Ian_Corne> not for a fresh new user either
[15:15] <BluesKaj> ati drivers are a somewhat hit and miss on the newer ubuntus
[15:18] <BluesKaj> np with nvidia so far
[16:10] <Ian_Corne>  kubuntu-desktop : Depends: kde-workspace but it is not going to be installed
[16:10] <Ian_Corne> lol
[16:10] <Ian_Corne> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:11] <Ian_Corne> apt-get doesn't give me any issues..
[16:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Ian_Corne: Install kde-workspace first...?
[16:12] <Ian_Corne> I'll try that next :)
[16:12] <Ian_Corne> had 40 packages ready for autoremove
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> that instales without a hitch
[16:28] <Ian_Corne> and now kubuntu-desktop wants to
[16:28] <Ian_Corne> previous issues caused this I guess?
[18:34] <wilee-nilee> So, I am seeing nautilus crash at times, using the gnome-shell, no biggie, thought to see if this is a known problem.
[19:23] <jordan4ibanez> C+P= For 13.10, can fdutils be added? And can the normal user be added to the floppy group?
[19:23] <jordan4ibanez> With this, floppy drives are completely usable. Using floppy drives without this is a crapshoot at best.
[19:38] <jtaylor> floppy drives still exist? :O
[19:38] <genii> Yup. In USB versions, even.
[19:39] <jtaylor> for what purpose? aren't floppies all broken by now
[19:39] <jtaylor> or maybe I just always had the cheap ones with max 3 years lifetime :/
[19:39] <jordan4ibanez> No, I've had mine since 1993.
[19:40] <jordan4ibanez> Originally from a DOS machine, now in a gaming computer.
[19:40] <jtaylor> boot into an old live cd and copy them to something decent?
[19:41] <jordan4ibanez> I actually still have knoppix 1.6 right here, lol, right next to redhat.
[19:43] <jordan4ibanez> But, this would be a great, and simple addition for old school gamers such as myself. And there are a lot of them.
[19:44] <jtaylor> I assume most have copied their games long ago :)
[19:44] <jtaylor> when I replaced my last pc with a floppy drive I tried to copy my old stuff
[19:44] <jtaylor> unfortunately most was broken
[19:44] <jtaylor> I miss theme park :)
[19:45] <jtaylor> but 6 or 7 floppies many years of lying around, no chance
[19:53] <jordan4ibanez> So um yeah, fdutils, +1, lol.


[16:26] <Dro> Hello
[16:27] <Dro> elacheche: any news about the guy from South Africa?
[16:29] <elacheche> Hey Dro his OK, still taking medications, why?