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[08:12] <zequence> With Ubuntu Studio you have that by default
[08:13] <wickedheadache> it's "realtime" and not generic, i can't tell by reading the site itself what is downloaded
[08:13] <wickedheadache> ??
[08:13] <wickedheadache> sorry that was a question
[08:14] <wickedheadache> from reading i am assumeing "low latency is default... i have no idea
[08:16] <wickedheadache> well i'll try looking at the iso...
[08:19] <zequence> wickedheadache: You mean is there a realtime kernel?
[08:20] <zequence> This is not equal to getting realtime
[08:20] <zequence> There's no realtime kernel in the Ubuntu repo
[08:20] <wickedheadache> yea its been a while since i've been around to ask
[08:20] <wickedheadache> that's fine
[08:21] <wickedheadache> i'm guessing it's in beta or called something else now...
[08:31] <zequence> wickedheadache: As I said, therers no realtime kernel in the Ubuntu repos
[08:32] <zequence> Hasn't been a real one since 9.10
[08:32] <zequence> linux-lowlatency is a preemptive kernel with no realtime patch. It's ok for most use cases, and is what we have by default in Ubuntu Studio
[08:33] <zequence> We might reintroduce it as an alternative, if someone gets around to do the work. Maintaining it is a bit more work, and it's also prone to more unforseen bugs
[08:36] <wickedheadache> of course, wish i could help =/
[08:37] <wickedheadache> it was worth it i think, i was unaware it was needed its own support entirely
[08:38] <wickedheadache> craziness
[09:24] <wickedheadache> what do you do for pci-E  latencies? is that hw locked?
[09:25] <zequence> wickedheadache: pci-E latencies should be lower than for PCI. The kernel takes care of that, pretty much
[09:26] <zequence> reliable preemptiveness may come down to other variables though, such as shared IRQ
[09:27] <zequence> or as OvenWerk1 often points out, processor type (hyperthreading can be bad), and which mode it is running at (ondemand, or performance)
[09:28] <zequence> To find out what you can push from your kernel, you can use the tools in the rt-tests package3
[09:28] <wickedheadache>  well not only that but there is pci schedualing to the cpu and crap sopposedly handled with some hw i assume,
[09:28] <wickedheadache> yea that would be helpful
[09:29] <zequence> pci-E has a shorter route to processing, so to my understanding, at least in theory, it should be more reliable in lower latencies under the right circumstances
[09:29] <wickedheadache> was a time i was attempting to figure out why there was no agp x16 ettc xD
[09:30] <wickedheadache> but i have little hands on with pci e x or etc
[09:30] <wickedheadache> hopes this changes soon
[09:31] <wickedheadache> i have pci-e now yea
[09:34] <wickedheadache> pci-e is also digital/full duplex?
[09:34] <wickedheadache> >agp
[09:36] <zequence> "a PCIe bus link supports full-duplex communication between any two endpoints, with no inherent limitation on concurrent access across multiple endpoints", from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
[15:51] <Guest98969> hello, does somebody else have problems whith the root-password in a fresh ubuntu 14.04 installation ? sometimes it works, sometimes not
[16:42] <IotaSpencer> I've noticed that after a install that i can't login to my user after the second restart
[16:42] <IotaSpencer> so, install, restart, good, apt-get update and upgrade, restart, dead
[16:43] <IotaSpencer> though I think that's being ubuntu in general
[17:11] <Guest98969> whith the user-login i never had problems, it is only when doing "sudo"
[17:29] <zequence> IotaSpencer: That could be that the keyboard layout changed to US english, if you didn't have that originally
[17:30] <zequence> ah, or you mean it won't boot at all?
[17:30] <zequence> i've had some weird problems with sudo at times, caused by a crash, now that I think of it
[17:30] <zequence> The only way to fix it was to reboot
[17:30] <zequence> If I was able
[17:31] <IotaSpencer> I get to the graphical login where you either see and hear the ubuntu sound or you get the ubuntustudio screen, after putting in my password it disappears and reappears no red or nothing, like it doesn't like me
[17:46] <zequence> IotaSpencer: Some kind of problem in user settings
[17:46] <IotaSpencer> care to elaborate if you can
[17:48] <zequence> IotaSpencer: You can probably login using Ctl+Alt+F1. Then, remove settings from your home folder, that have anything to do with the Desktop environment
[17:48] <zequence> If you feel bold, and don't care to readjust some applications, you could just delete folders such as ~/.config and ~/.cache
[17:49] <zequence> Next time you login, anything that had it settings there will have default settings
[17:50] <zequence> In XFCE I've seen that a few times, that user settings get corrupted somehow


[11:11] <imnotme> ubuntu has screwed up windows
[11:12] <imnotme> jago: im about to
[11:12] <jago> whats wrong
[11:12] <jago> you may need to find an application called fix mbr
[11:13] <imnotme> i have logout screens and other screens that are just white
[11:13] <imnotme> in gnome
[11:13] <imnotme> i tried a different box and got other inconsistencies
[11:13] <jago> i thought you installed kubuntu
[11:14] <imnotme> i got both
[11:14] <imnotme> it dont work both. no matter what they tell you
[11:14] <jago> oh so you men the kde screwed up the desk top
[11:14] <jago> or desk tops
[11:14] <imnotme> i installed kdm earlier gdm same problem
[11:15] <imnotme> on 2 seperate boxes same thing
[11:15] <jago> well i stick with kde and kdm and i have not had problems
[11:15] <imnotme> do you use gnome?
[11:15] <jago> no i prefer the kde desktop
[11:15] <_florent> i do
[11:15] <imnotme> im going to shtcan gnome I think
[11:16] <_florent> i prefer gnome desktop ;)
[11:16] <libben> so why are u in here ? =)
[11:16] <jago> well person prferance
[11:16] <imnotme> i cant get both running here.\
[11:16] <_florent> lol
[11:16] <imnotme> might be because i had an early version of breezy to start. got srewed up somewhere along the way
[11:16] <_florent> cause i don't know where to get other irc channel
[11:16] <jago> sorry i hve not tried since i switched from knoppix
[11:17] <jago> i had no problems running both then but that was a while ago
[11:17] <imnotme> jago: i just switched from knoppix too
[11:17] <_florent> i've installed kubuntu first  then gnome and had no problems
[11:18] <jago> yeah, believe it or not ubuntu or kubuntu is better
[11:18] <imnotme> im going to reinstall so _florent
[11:18] <jago> than knoppix i men
[11:18] <_florent> no no
[11:18] <imnotme> no no what/
[11:18] <_florent> linux is so good for that
[11:18] <imnotme> for what?
[11:18] <_florent> you can fix every thing
[11:19] <imnotme> oh live yep
[11:19] <_florent> just find how to
[11:19] <imnotme> _florent: you running both gnome and kde?
[11:19] <jago> oh why does the media devices folder not show any thing but floppy in breezy
[11:20] <_florent> it's a mounted device matter so
[11:20] <jago> i think they have some bugs to work out
[11:20] <_florent> type mount and show which devices are mounted
[11:20] <jago> even mounted devices don't show
[11:21] <jago> its just anoying but not a show stopper
[11:21] <imnotme> jago: are you using both gnome and kde?
[11:21] <jago> no, just kde
[11:22] <jago> i like kde better
[11:22] <imnotme> well ive never gotton both to work on same computer
[11:22] <imnotme> me too
[11:22] <_florent> try sudo fdisk /dev/cdrom for exemple to see if cdrom is mountable or not ( with a cd into)
[11:23] <imnotme> my notebook starts with kubuntu and goes to ubuntu log in. if i log into ubuntu i have kde theme
[11:23] <jago> yeah it will mount both cd and dvd roms but it just mount show them in media:/
[11:23] <imnotme> bloks
[11:23] <jago> bloks?
[11:23] <imnotme> time to go see you!
[11:23] <imnotme> buloks
[11:23] <jago> oh seeyah
[11:24] <imnotme> agitated sorry
[11:24] <jago> bye all
[11:25] <_florent> the matter is that my english is not so good and i'm afraid not to understand what you mean
[11:25] <Zizzencs> hi
[11:25] <Zizzencs> i would like to install the alloy theme for kde. can anybody point me to a howto?
[11:28] <Phantom^^> Hi can someone here please help me configure apt to work with a proxy server ?
[11:32] <torc> what's the package name for gimp?
[11:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> torc: Uh...gimp?
[11:34] <torc> tried it.
[11:34] <torc> says it can't find it
[11:34] <torc> coming from gnome, how would I activate the repositories?
[11:34] <Zizzencs> torc: try to add universe repository
[11:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> torc: Then you probably don't have the repo for it
[11:35] <torc> !repos
[11:35] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:36] <torc> how do I add repositories to kubuntu thought?
[11:36] <torc> though*
[11:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> torc: Same as in gnome. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[11:37] <torc> well in gnome you can use synaptic to do that. sorry.
[11:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> torc: So get synaptic
[11:37] <torc> but it says it cannot find it...
[11:39] <_florent> try kynaptic
[11:39] <_florent> package launcher for kde
[11:39] <torc> did.
[11:39] <torc> finally, got it goin'
[11:40] <_florent> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:50] <_mike> The default graphics driver doesnt work so I can't use Konq to browse forums/faqs/docs.