[23:51] <cyphermox> zduniak: some do
[23:52] <cyphermox> if you use the command as-is, it will generate an /image/ that can work as either CD or dd'ed to a USB disk, and boot both in BIOS and UEFI mode.
[23:56] <cyphermox> zduniak: fwiw, I routinely use https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/6SgpWTSrtD/ as part of a script


[03:44] <yaxomoxay> how do you install 10.10 packages? I noticed some bugs for 10.10 are already on launchpad
[07:22] <ara> morning all
[11:23] <davmor2> morning all
[11:39] <ara> morning davmor2
[16:16] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3 hows life the wrong side of the pond?
[16:17] <fader_> davmor2: Not bad... how's your rainy island?
[16:17] <davmor2> fader_: scorching hot thanks 22c


[03:08] <ChinnoDog> darn Banshee, being difficult again
[03:10] <andrew> silence broken
[03:10] <freelancer317> awesome
[03:10] <freelancer317> now we can all talk
[03:10] <ChinnoDog> Was I supposed to be silent?
[03:10] <andrew> freelancer317: How's it going?
[03:11] <ChinnoDog> Now that the silence is broken I can blame lamalex for my Banshee being broken
[03:11] <freelancer317> andrew:  pretty good.  been busy with family stuff (tball, honors society (kids), etc)  how about you?
[03:12] <freelancer317> we blame alex for almost everything anyway... so why not Banshee not working!  lol
[03:14] <ChinnoDog> ooh. Banshee unstable is not helping
[03:15] <ChinnoDog> It won't let me manage my music on my phone
[03:15] <ChinnoDog> It shows the music, it plays the music, but i can't delete stuff or add stuff
[03:23] <andrew> been well
[03:25] <ChinnoDog> oh. its my phone. It has decided to make my fs read-only?
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> Fixed. The fs on my phone was corrupted.
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> Guess i can't blame lamalex after all
[03:38] <andrew> why note?
[03:38] <andrew> not*
[03:38] <ChinnoDog> Because my fs was corrupted and idk if Banshee did it or not
[03:45] <ChinnoDog> So... we haz Natty release party?
[03:46] <ChinnoDog> I suggest Buffalo Wild Wings in Easton.
[11:24] <JonathanD> Morning PA.
[11:32] <rmg51>   morning JonathanD
[11:34] <JonathanD> Hello rmg51
[11:36] <rmg51> o/
[11:38] <JonathanD> how goes
[11:38] <JonathanD> I woke up thinking it was sunday :(
[11:44] <rmg51> I wake up hoping it is always Sat. :-D
[11:44] <rmg51> breakfast time
[14:10] <InHisName> Breakfast Morning  Y'all
[14:58] <knightzero> Morning everyone.
[14:58] <JonathanD> Howdy knightzero
[14:59] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[15:01] <andrew> morning
[15:06] <andrew> Fetching files for the upgrade at 3,123 kB/s
[15:06] <andrew> I can live with that
[15:07] <andrew> (for now)
[15:14] <InHisName> @logs
 we haz logs, http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/PennBot/ or What happens in #ubuntu-us-pa stays in the logs
[15:16] <andrew> hence the for now, someday, when installs are done off some sort of holographic, multi-petabyte, pinky-nail sized thing, this speed will feel "like dial-up"
[15:17] <InHisName> Could always try booting win3.0 for comparisons
[15:17] <andrew> would first need win3.0
[15:18] <JonathanD> I have it.
[15:18] <JonathanD> On CD, no les.
[15:20] <jrmy> hello everyone
[15:22] <teddy-dbear> o/
[15:29] <rhpot1991> andrew: squid-deb-proxy if you want faster :)
[15:31] <InHisName> I have 3.0, 3.1 and many more.  Not sure if floppies are still readable though.
[15:31] <jrmy> knightzero: figure out that ram thing?
[15:31] <InHisName> Is there a txt mode command to uninstall the propriatary nvidia drivers ?
[15:34] <ssweeny> jockey-text
[15:34] <ssweeny> InHisName, ^^
[15:36] <knightzero> jrmy: you should have an email waiting for you in the gmail account you provided me, as of this morning.
[15:36] <ssweeny> jockey-text -l to list drivers, jockey-text -d <DRIVER> to disable the one you don't want
[15:51] <jrmy> knightzero: ok havent checked it in a few hours
[15:51] <InHisName> GtkWarning  could not open the display etc.         is jockey-text need gui ?
[15:57] <InHisName> Works fine in my main box terminal window, but gui is running.
[15:57] <InHisName> Tried with sudo but same error.
[15:57] <InHisName> test box has problem.
[16:00] <ssweeny> jockey-text should not require a gui. that would be missing the point
[16:15] <InHisName> @later tell SamuriAlba Buy everything bacon here http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/bacon/
[16:15] <PennBot> InHisName: The operation succeeded.
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> andrew: elaborate on synergy problem please
[16:47] <andrew> when I try to unautohide the unity bar, it doesn't, because my mouse has already left the screen
[16:48] <andrew> I'm assuming you are familiar with synergy
[16:48] <andrew> and unity
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> Synergy yes, Unity not so much
[16:49] <ChinnoDog> I run Synergy+ all the time
[16:49] <andrew> Unity has a bar on the left side, by default, it autohides
[16:49] <andrew> but this bar is critical as it's kind of the taskbar of the system
[16:49] <JonathanD> I can see how synergy would cause issue with that.
[16:49] <ChinnoDog> Right, I saw that when I installed Natty on my laptop while doing btrfs tests
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> It wasn't autohiding though
[16:50] <andrew> move the mouse to the first column of pixels on the left of the screen, ideall, unity bar appears, but synergy takes the mouse off the screen and puts it on the next when you reach that point
[16:50] <andrew> I've disabled the auto-hiding
[16:50] <andrew> which appears to be a compiz thing
[16:51] <ChinnoDog> Ah, I understand now. So either you have to disable autohide or you have to put your Unity screen on the left
[16:51] <ChinnoDog> Is the Unity bar movable?
[16:51] <andrew> nope
[16:52] <waltman> Does it come with almonds?
[16:52] <andrew> ChinnoDog: unity is on the left, but so is my XP system
[16:53] <JonathanD> andrew: it's not autohiding on my install
[16:54] <andrew> JonathanD: do you have compiz (aka: desktop effects) enabled?
[16:54] <ChinnoDog> waltman: huh? almonds?
[16:54] <waltman> "Unity bar" sounds like some sort of new candy bar to me :)
[16:55] <waltman> "hershey bar". "wonka bar". "unity bar".
[16:55] <andrew> "college bar"
[16:56] <waltman> andrew: It sounds like what you really need is a "corner bar" :)
[16:57] <andrew> there's a side bar right up the street
[16:57] <waltman> is it a shot and a beer bar?
[16:58] <andrew> dunno
[16:58] <JonathanD> andrew: probably not.
[16:58] <andrew> but probably
[16:58] <JonathanD> I haven't figured it out quite yet.
[17:00] <rhpot1991> andrew: I have the same unity + synergy issues
[17:01] <rhpot1991> if you disable autohiding the unity bar then things end up under it anyways, so that doesn't fix the issue
[17:01] <jedijf> rhpot1991: did hotkeys help? like super...super tap
[17:02] <rhpot1991> there is a setting for corner instead of left side for displaying the bar, that helps, but going to a corner is a pain
[17:02] <andrew> yeah, for now I've set it to not hide
[17:02] <rhpot1991> jedijf: slightly, if you use super + w or get rid of the delay for alt+tab its helpful
[17:02] <andrew> but I'd love to have it at half the width it is now
[17:02] <rhpot1991> but the lack of gnome applets or xchat tray icon burnt me then, so I went back to classic again
[17:03] <jedijf> super + s did something too, but i can't remember now
[17:03] <rhpot1991> andrew: no issues with things hiding under it then?
[17:03] <rhpot1991> jedijf: displays the desktops I htink
[17:03] <andrew> super + s is expo
[17:03] <rhpot1991> yep
[17:03] <rhpot1991> all of those work in classic mode too
[17:03] <andrew> (used to be super + e)
[17:03] <rhpot1991> super + e does nothing now
[17:03] <andrew> rhpot1991: nothing is hiding under it now
[17:03] <rhpot1991> andrew: when maximized?
[17:04] <rhpot1991> how'd you get that to happen
[17:04] <jedijf> super tap or super hold...can't remember does the gnome-do'ish thing
[17:04] <andrew> I miss having the workspace chooser as one-click to change
[17:04] <andrew> and of course, super+space no longer brings up gnome-do
[17:04] <jedijf> andrew: super tap or hold
[17:04] <andrew> rhpot1991: most of my windows are maximized
[17:04] <andrew> tap?
[17:04] <jedijf> try it
[17:04] <jedijf> quick hit
[17:05] <andrew> I don't have a tap/hold key
[17:05] <jedijf> just tap the super key
[17:05] <andrew> and I'm not a fan of the unity super thing, it's too slow
[17:05] <rhpot1991> superhold makes it show up
[17:05] <jedijf> thanks....
[17:05] <andrew> also, it fails to search the way gnome-do did
[17:05] <rhpot1991> and then you can hit 1-x for the shortcuts in order
[17:05] <andrew> I had gnome-do trained to accept 'e' (or 'erm..') for terminal
[17:06] <rhpot1991> let me log out and see if I have issues with it covering stuff when autohide is off still
[17:08] <rhpot1991> hmmm thats working
[17:09] <rhpot1991> weird wonder why it was doing that on my other pc
[17:09] <rhpot1991> could be twinview or something
[17:10] <rhpot1991> I need to find a replacement for timer-applet then
[17:11] <rhpot1991> andrew: you can resize the icons in the experimental tab in ccsm
[17:13] <rhpot1991> backglight toggle is useful too
[17:55] <andrew> back
[17:57] <andrew> rhpot1991: thanks, set down to the minimum of 32
[17:58] <rhpot1991> andrew: super + numbers works out well
[17:58] <rhpot1991> and super + w
[17:58] <rhpot1991> for switching quickly
[17:59] <andrew> most of my switching is between workspaces
[18:00] <andrew> not liking super+w, there is very little difference between the highlighted window and the others
[18:02] <andrew> ctrl+alt+[shift]+tab
[18:16]  * jedijf might not have enough dexterity for that one
[18:19] <andrew> so... anyone else expereincing internet troubles today?
[18:19] <JonathanD> freenode just had a minor split...
[18:21] <JonathanD> and another one.
[18:21] <JonathanD> nm, that was the same one.
[18:23] <teddy-dbear> see I was right, it's all JonathanD fault :-D
[18:24] <JonathanD> hah
[18:30] <ChinnoDog> So now that Amazon has had major downtime, who has the most reliable public cloud?
[18:30] <JonathanD> Perhaps sony can make one.
[18:31] <rhpot1991> andrew: go disable the delay for alt+tab too
[18:31] <rhpot1991> that makes that much better
[18:34] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: Sony is going to make a cloud?
[18:35] <jedijf> psn
[18:42] <rhpot1991> s/cloud/open directory of personal information for the interweb to share/
[18:46] <JonathanD> no, I sure hope not ChinnoDog :p
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> Ok, well, if Amazon is big but not reliable enough... I thought I had read about a way extend EC2 into your own data center
[18:58] <andrew> rhpot1991: where?
[19:00] <rhpot1991> andrew: ccms -> static application switcher > behavior > popup window delay
[19:00] <rhpot1991> its a paper cut now apparently so hopefully they change that
[19:03] <andrew> changed
[19:17] <andrew> rhpot1991: is there a list of paper cuts for this release?
[19:20] <rhpot1991> andrew: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts
[19:20] <PennBot> Title: Bugs in One Hundred Paper Cuts (at bugs.launchpad.net)
[20:25] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[20:35] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[20:45] <ssweeny> looks like lamalex made it to hungary safe and sound
[20:45] <pleia2> hopefully he doesn't ruin it before we get there
[20:46] <ssweeny> yarly
[20:47] <lamalex> you guys it rules here
[20:47] <lamalex> i have a hot date with a hot german girl in an hour
[20:47] <pleia2> :)
[20:47] <pleia2> haha
[20:52] <ssweeny> well done my friend
[20:54] <lamalex> i just washed my shirt in the bathtub to wash the bo smell out of it and now im drying it with a hair dryer
[20:54] <lamalex> classy++
[20:56]  * ssweeny takes notes
[21:00] <ChinnoDog> lol
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> lamalex:  date with a german girl? pffft the all smell distinctly european, she won't be able to notice your shirt
[21:12] <ChinnoDog> oh yea, MutantTurkey? You would know?
[21:12] <MutantTurkey> D:
[21:21] <lamalex> zing


[05:07] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Hi
[11:34] <issyl0> godbyk: Ping..
[11:34] <issyl0> Or indeed anyone involved in the manual: ping.
[18:47] <godbyk> issyl0: pong (if it's not too late)


[03:23] <Guest12949> hola
[04:07] <acosinfo> chromium can't starting on ubuntu mate
[04:07] <acosinfo> help me please
[05:47] <Nosophorus> hello, guys!
[05:47] <Nosophorus> Is someone online here right now?
[05:50] <Nosophorus> When using the Network Manager to connect to the web using my DSL connection, some websites took forever to load.
[05:50] <Nosophorus> But when I used the command "pppoeconf" to configure my DSL connection and connect to the web, the websites are loading flawlessly.
[05:51] <Nosophorus> Why did that happen?
[06:07] <Cael> im not sure if im missing something on Booting the latest LTS PPC Release on my old Powermac G5, aftre 2 mins hearing teh fans "Jet Engine" i see it thro wback to OpenFirmware saying " finished Quiencing OpenFirmware then FFFT Nothing (not even a black screen my display goes into a NoSignal Display.)
[06:25] <Cael> ok using nouveau.modeset=0 im getting This Odd Display Corruption. http://i.imgur.com/hao6sUn.jpg
[07:09] <darin> Hi all
[07:10] <darin> Just running ubuntu mate on pi 3b and encountered a few issues off the default install
[07:10] <darin> First task to do was update/upgrade
[07:11] <darin> But twice now the system has crashed mid upgrade, and then failed to boot
[07:11] <darin> at boot it hangs at a wlan0 error
[07:12] <darin> wlan0 already exists
[07:13] <darin> Turns out that after waiting a very long time and with some very technical keyboard mashing, it has booted again on the third attempt at this
[07:13] <darin> I have yet to try and boot again to see if it comes up
[07:32] <dunkan007> (o)--------(0)-------------------------(0)-----------------------------------------------(0)--------->
[07:34] <dunkan007> (0)-----------------------------------------------------(0)
[07:35] <dunkan007> (0)--------------(0)----------------------------(0)-----------------------------------------------(0)----------------------------------------------------(0)---------->
[07:35] <dunkan007> (0)--------------(0)----------------------------(0)-----------------------------------------------(0)----------------------------------------------------(0)---------(0)--------------(0)----------------------------(0)-----------------------------------------------(0)----------------------------------------------------(0)---------(0)--------------(0)
[07:35] <dunkan007> ----------------------------(0)-----------------------------------------------(0)----------------------------------------------------(0)---------(0)--------------(0)----------------------------(0)-----------------------------------------------(0)----------------------------------------------------(0)---------
[07:35] <Gallomimia> hey uh... don't do that.
[07:35] <Gallomimia> probably got g-lined
[07:36] <dunkan007> (-_-)
[07:36] <dunkan007> (0_0)
[07:37] <dunkan007> B-{}
[07:37] <Gallomimia> is there something you need help with?
[07:37] <dunkan007> yes
[07:37] <Gallomimia> or do you just need to show off your ascii talents?
[07:38] <dunkan007> when i am changing the volume (moving mouse to the "sound" icon and mouse scroll) the level of sound not shows immidiately
[07:38] <dunkan007> it takes default delay to display the info
[07:39] <dunkan007> i want it to show immidiately from the first scroll event!
[07:39] <dunkan007> i want it to be shown immidiately from the first scroll event!
[07:40] <dunkan007> that's all my conditions
[07:41] <dunkan007> and we will be good
[07:41] <dunkan007> OR i can make a hell here
[07:42] <dunkan007> B-{}
[07:42] <dunkan007> ЭB-E
[07:42] <dunkan007> ОСТАНОВ
[07:42] <gordonjcp> dunkan007: why do you think "make a hell here" will get anyone sympathetic to your problems?
[07:43] <dunkan007> gordonjcp: 8-E
[07:44] <gordonjcp> dunkan007: what does "8-E" mean?
[07:44] <dunkan007> gordonjcp: как же ты заебал
[07:44] <dunkan007> я не понимаю тебя!
[07:45] <dunkan007> тут всё через жопу
[07:45] <gordonjcp> english, please
[07:45] <gordonjcp> everyone else in here uses it, even if it's not their first language
[07:46] <dunkan007> gordonjcp: i said the london is the capital city in UK
[07:46] <gordonjcp> London's the capital of England
[07:47] <gordonjcp> the UK is a group of countries, it doesn't have a capital itself
[07:47] <dunkan007> пидора
[07:47] <dunkan007> gordonjcp: thanks!
[07:47] <gordonjcp> dunkan007: anyway, what was the problem with your volume control?
[07:47] <gordonjcp> there's a delay between adjusting it and the volume changing?
[07:48] <dunkan007> gordonjcp: when you scroll the volume - the black info box, where you see the changes, it appears in few seconds!
[07:49] <dunkan007> and you dont know if first several "scrolls" were enough!
[07:49] <gordonjcp> strange
[07:49] <dunkan007> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[07:49] <dunkan007> you didnt understand
[07:50] <gordonjcp> does the volume change immediately or does that take a few seconds too?
[07:50] <dunkan007> it works good!
[07:50] <dunkan007> but
[07:50] <dunkan007> when you move cursor on the volume control icon, it shows black info panel in one second?
[07:51] <dunkan007> where Output: 33%
[07:51] <dunkan007> -28,79 dB
[07:51] <dunkan007> Built-in Audio Analog Stereo
[07:51] <gordonjcp> what else is running, is the machine very heavily loaded?
[07:52] <dunkan007> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:52] <gordonjcp> I can get mine to do that by getting it incredibly busy (compiling)
[07:52] <dunkan007> idioto!
[07:52] <dunkan007> any ukranians here?
[07:52] <gordonjcp> dunkan007: #ubuntu-uk maybe?
[07:53] <gordonjcp> they might be less into supporting MATE desktop
[07:53] <gordonjcp> but fuck it, if you're going to call me an idiot I'm going to get on with something more fun
[07:53] <gordonjcp> good luck with it, do let us know what the problem turns out to be
[08:38] <mate|59875> Hi there. I'm trying to find docs on how to install Ubuntu Mate retrospectively from a bare server install
[09:44] <neill> I downloaded ubuntu mate now I am unable to get wifi any help
[10:19] <Gobo708> Hi All, just imaging a microSD with ubuntu mate on it and I was wondering why I have two kernal image files. kernal.img & kernal7.img present
[10:33] <Gobo708> nvm found it
[10:47] <dd> l
[10:57] <Guest82457> I seem to have forgotten the program that calls other programs, just by pressing ctrl+alt+space
[10:57] <Guest82457> anyone recall the name of the program?
[13:17] <fenix> Hi. I'm using Ubuntu Mate as a LTSP server.  I understand that the bubbles come from dbus, and that cupsd (via /etc/cups/subscriptions.conf ? but I can't edit that one as it is rewritten by cupsd) and/or lp (but how?) are sending dbus these notifications, but I can't see where I should configure this.
[13:23] <ouroumov> hi fenix
[13:24] <ouroumov> fenix, I know some people on the forum are using it as LTSP too, not sure about here on this channel though
[13:26] <fenix> ouroumov, I'll give it a try then, thanks :)
[13:26] <ouroumov> yw
[17:22] <Guest29466> Hello guys
[17:23] <Guest29466> anyone have that nm applet bug?
[17:25] <_Andrew_> Hello, how do i get rid of the slow grub theme?
[17:25] <_Andrew_> or make it faster?
[17:25] <_Andrew_> when I press the arrow keys, it displays a gray ubuntu mate icon, then it slowly renders the text
[17:25] <_Andrew_> it takes like 2 seconds each frame
[17:33] <pilne> i personally use the ppa for "grub commander" whenever i need to start messing with grub stuff.
[17:35] <pilne> https://launchpad.net/~danielrichter2007/+archive/ubuntu/grub-customizer
[17:38] <Akuli> _Andrew_, sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-mate-grub-theme
[17:38] <Akuli> sudo update-grub
[17:38] <Akuli> _Andrew_, don't add a ppa just to remove a package
[17:45] <pilne> i don't think he wants the whole theme
[17:45] <pilne> just to change the time of the fade
[17:46] <pilne> and there is nothing wrong with adding a gui tool IMHO. i would have never suggested it had he stated he wanted a package removed.
[17:49] <patrick__> does anyone know the issue of Asus laptops that they restart after a shutdown?
[17:51] <pilne> my asus g74 does not do that with any linux distro i've tried.
[17:52] <ouroumov> patrick__, you mean instead of getting a shutdown, you get a restart?
[17:52] <patrick__> sorry i wrote the wrong name i meant acer. Especially Aspire V5
[17:53] <patrick__> i shutdown and the power goes off for about 5 seconds. after that it starts again. It's not excactly a restat.
[17:54] <ouroumov> oups
[17:54] <ouroumov> Su typing "poweroff" in a terminal works even if you don't use the sudo prefix.
[17:54] <ouroumov> Interesting. Didn't know that.
[17:54] <ouroumov> anyway
[17:55] <ouroumov> patrick__, have you try shutting down like that?
[17:55] <patrick__> i already tried "poweroff". I also read an entry in a forum about to write a script and integrate it into the system. Buti don't know excactly how to do it.
[17:56] <ouroumov> And have you also tried something more violent like "sudo init 0" ?
[17:56] <patrick__> yes. also did that.
[17:57] <patrick__> what works is when i type the foloowing: for i in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/control; do echo on >$i;done . After that i can shutdown properly
[17:57] <ouroumov> Have you checked if you have power-management options in your BIOS?
[17:57] <patrick__> I checked for wake up on lan. But this was already turned off.
[17:58] <ouroumov> patrick__, that command's weird :o
[17:58] <ouroumov> Basically your OS has power control off for no reason?
[17:59] <patrick__> I read it in a forum. It's written by a guy with the same problem, so i tried it.
[18:00] <ouroumov> What version of Ubuntu MATE are you using? 16.04?
[18:00] <patrick__> Do you know any solution for this?
[18:00] <patrick__> Yes
[18:00] <ouroumov> patrick__, no. Actually you're the first one to mention this problem. :/
[18:01] <patrick__> I recently bought a used Acer Aspire V5 and installed it on it. The Distro is great and I am happy with it. The only thing to complain is the shutdown issue.
[18:02] <patrick__> Do you think there is a chance a future kernel update could fix it?
[18:04] <ouroumov> Well, depends
[18:04] <ouroumov> If the bug has been reported on launchpad or the linux kernel bug tracker, than yes
[18:04] <ouroumov> Else: no chance in hell
[18:04] <ouroumov> You should search for a bug report matching your issue
[18:05] <patrick__> Can you tell me how i can report this problem?
[18:05] <ouroumov> If you find one, mark yourself as affected to increase the chances someone will work on a fix
[18:05] <ouroumov> okay
[18:05] <ouroumov> 1sec
[18:05] <patrick__> Thanks a lot
[18:05] <ouroumov> patrick__, here's the Ubuntu bug tracker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[18:06] <ouroumov> Search first, and create a new bug if you can't find one that matches your issue
[18:07] <patrick__> Thank you very much. I will do that.
[18:14] <ouroumov> So patrick__ in the mean time
[18:14] <ouroumov> You hack something simple to create a shutdown button in the panel if you want
[18:15] <patrick__> Sorry i don't understand excactly what you mean.
[18:15] <ouroumov> Sorry, I meant "you can hack"
[18:16] <ouroumov> Anyway, for instance here's a script that should work:
[18:16] <ouroumov> http://paste.debian.net/727447/
[18:17] <ouroumov> If you save that to a text file, say under ~/bin/poweroff.sh
[18:17] <ouroumov> make it executable using chmod +x ~/bin/poweroff.sh
[18:18] <patrick__> Thanks. That's great. So i habe to make it executeable. And then just double click it?
[18:18] <ouroumov> Then add a "custom application launcher" in your panel by right clicking on it
[18:18] <patrick__> Another thing i forgot tió mention. I think i need to run a root-terminal for this order i wrote you.
[18:18] <ouroumov> oh
[18:18] <ouroumov> crap
[18:20] <patrick__> Because I already tried something like that., but if irun my script i am asked to type in my password and then nothing happens.
[18:22] <ouroumov> And I'm pretty sure you can't make a setuid script :/
[18:22] <ouroumov> Any chance you know a little system programming in C ?
[18:23] <patrick__> No, I'm sorry.
[18:33] <patrick__> Do you think this could help me? http://superuser.com/questions/440363/can-i-make-a-script-always-execute-as-root
[18:36] <ouroumov> Yes, specifically the C program wrapper
[18:38] <ouroumov> However, I don't know how to make it so that you're the only one that can use the setuid program
[18:39] <ouroumov> Meaning, potentially any user on your system will be able to call it and shut down the machine
[18:39] <ouroumov> Is that a problem for you or not?
[18:53] <patrick__> No I am the only user.
[18:57] <patrick__> Excuse me i didn't answer sooner. Are you still there?
[18:58] <ouroumov> yeah
[18:58] <ouroumov> So
[18:58] <ouroumov> open a terminal
[18:58] <ouroumov> navigate to your home folder using the command "cd"
[18:59] <ouroumov> then create a bin folder in your home: mkdir -p bin
[18:59] <ouroumov> go inside it using cd bin
[18:59] <ouroumov> open that folder in the file explorer (caja)
[19:00] <ouroumov> create a file named shutdown.c, copy the C code from that superuser answer, and chance the path to your script to /home/you/bin/shutdown.sh
[19:00] <ouroumov> create a script file shutdown.sh in the same folder, and use the code I gave you earlier
[19:01] <ouroumov> compile the C executable using gcc shutdown.c -o shutdown
[19:01] <fifty-sevenC> How didddly ddo neeighbor
[19:03] <ouroumov> change the executable so the owner is root: sudo chown root shutdown
[19:03] <ouroumov> Remove write access to the executable for other users: sudo chown o-w shutdown
[19:04] <ouroumov> Set the setuidbit on the executable: sudo chown +s shutdown
[19:04] <ouroumov> oh wait, that one was wrong
[19:04] <ouroumov> Set the setuidbit on the executable: sudo chmod +s shutdown
[19:05] <ouroumov> idem for the previous one: sudo chmod o-w shutdown
[19:05] <ouroumov> Then do sudo chmod o+x shutdown
[19:05] <ouroumov> Then it should be good to go
[19:05] <ouroumov> ...I think
[19:05] <patrick__> WOW. That's great. I am really grateful.
[19:06] <ouroumov> Wait to see if it works before being grateful xD
[19:06] <patrick__> And this file i can add to my panel?
[19:07] <ouroumov> Create a panel launcher yes, and use the absolute path to the file: /home/you/bin/shutdown
[19:07] <ouroumov> (in the "command" part of the launcher)
[19:09] <patrick__> Cool. I can test it tomorrow and will try to tell you if it worked.
[19:09] <ouroumov> okay
[19:52] <_CoolGuy_> I was kicked out for share an image of debian that is almost lost on the internet...
[19:52] <_CoolGuy_> xD
[19:53] <_CoolGuy_> http://i.imgur.com/X68XjjX.jpg
[20:31] <lunaticus> Hi
[20:31] <lunaticus> I'm new
[20:31] <ouroumov> ...
[20:47] <__CoolGuy> Is there a good book about IRC?
[20:49] <ouroumov> A book about IRC?
[20:49] <ouroumov> What for?
[21:04] <__CoolGuy> I don't know, to learn a little...
[21:04] <__CoolGuy> To learn the basics.
[21:07] <ouroumov> You can read the RFC
[21:08] <ouroumov> It's basically a chat protocol so old it was there before MSN
[21:35] <__CoolGuy> Ok, thank you.
[21:48] <staeksauce> when I apply themes form gnome-look, a lot of the time they don't look like the screenshots. Why is that? Specifically the top part of windows will look different a lot of the time
[22:25] <Monthu> help. Open source drivers not showing in 16.04? screenshot: http://imgur.com/HjSkKPF
[22:26] <ouroumov> I take it it's up to date?
[22:27] <Monthu> yes
[22:27] <Monthu> how do I get the open source drivers (xorg)
[22:28] <ouroumov> dunno, ask the forums?
[22:31] <tadcan> trying to install language pack for libreoffice, but getting a missing dependency. sudo apt-get install libreoffice-help-en-gb
[22:32] <ouroumov> tadcan, why only for libreoffice? Wouldn't it be easier to go to "Language Support" settings and install the new language?
[22:36] <tadcan> ouroumov, thanks it works now.
[22:36] <ouroumov> cool
[22:41] <staeksauce> if I want to use a theme likes this: https://github.com/daniruiz/Super-Flat-Remix-GNOME-theme do I have to be running regular Ubuntu?
[22:57] <JollyGreenDragon> Hey all - having issues with my left-mouse button no longer working suddenly. Restarting temporarily fixes it. Is this potentially an issue with chromium and compiz?
[22:58] <nomic> check the mouse (1st)
[22:58] <ouroumov> JollyGreenDragon, you're the first reporting it afaik, but Compiz is notoriously buggy
[23:03] <JollyGreenDragon> I saw several references to it on StackExchange, is why I asked.
[23:03] <JollyGreenDragon> Just wasn't sure if it was still popping up, as they were 1-2 years old
[23:16] <Jason-Todd> Help Please? as a Patreon I got the email to upgrade and now I have Half sound. Meaning my system sounds work (like clicking on the start button gets a sound) but none of my apps have sound (VLC of chomium, etc..)
[23:16] <Jason-Todd> I can't even open sound settings
[23:18] <ouroumov> Jason-Todd, you mean the MATE 1.14 ppa?
[23:18] <Jason-Todd> yeah
[23:18] <ouroumov> I haven't tested it yet, but you can ask about that on the forums :/
[23:20] <Jason-Todd> is there anyway to reverse this install? or do I need a fresh new install?
[23:21] <Jason-Todd> or is there a way to boot in a safe mode?
[23:22] <ouroumov> I don't know about safe mode boot, but you other question though is a very good one that you should definitively ask on that thread: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/mate-desktop-1-14-for-ubuntu-mate-16-04-is-available-now/6722
[23:22] <ouroumov> And if you don't ask, I'm probably gonna do it myself before testing 1.14
[23:23] <Jason-Todd> thanks for the info I will poke around
[23:23] <ouroumov> Note that there's some info on there specific to mate-volume-control
[23:24] <Jason-Todd> damn I think this was my problem
[23:24] <Jason-Todd> If you see the following prompt during the upgrade, then press Enter to accept [default=N]:
[23:25] <Jason-Todd> I picked Y
[23:49] <lucas> hola
[23:50] <ouroumov> halo
[23:55] <winston2k> hi


[05:52] <karstensrage> if im using sbuild where do i get the results of the stuff built
[05:52] <karstensrage> it builds it in the chroot
[05:52] <karstensrage> but can i get it after the sbuild?
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[16:07] <blippe> evening!
[16:11] <blippe> 9NMx


[01:48] <X-Rob> Any way to change the default memory size of KVM guests when they're made?
[01:48] <X-Rob> Everything seems to be being created with  512M or RAM no matter what I do
[01:50] <sarnold> X-Rob: what's creating your kvm guests?
[01:51] <X-Rob> sarnold: 'juju add-machine kvm:10 --constraints mem=8G'
[01:51] <X-Rob> which various places seem to imply should work
[01:51] <sarnold> X-Rob: interesting, I hadn't seen the kvm:10 thing before :) thanks
[01:52] <X-Rob> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1399613
[01:52] <mup> Bug #1399613: juju-core not using constraints when creating KVM  unit on maas machine <constraints> <kvm> <maas-provider> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1399613>
[01:52] <thumper> X-Rob: hmm... almost certainly a bug
[01:52] <thumper> X-Rob: in that the requested constraints for the container aren't passed down to the host
[01:52] <X-Rob> That says it's my issue, but, it's linked to a totally different bug
[01:52] <thumper> um..
[01:53] <thumper> I'm pretty sure that memory constraints were tested when I wrote it...
[01:53] <X-Rob> thumper: Well, any debugging I can do?
[01:53] <thumper> X-Rob: I agree that it should work
[01:54] <sarnold> X-Rob: that bug looks like it describes your problem exactly, but the duplicate feels like a mistake to me
[01:55] <X-Rob> Ahha
[01:55] <X-Rob> OK
[01:55] <lazyPower> sarnold: yeah that was supported before lxc:# :)
[01:55] <sarnold> lazyPower: it was?? why does'nt anyone tell me these things :)
[01:55] <lazyPower> sarnold: because we stink at writing changelogs?
[01:56] <sarnold> looks like sinzui's not online, bugger, he might have had a good reason for duping them..
[01:56] <sarnold> lazyPower: yeah, I might really enjoy using a kvm: option.. :)
[01:56] <X-Rob> I can't seem to find where, if any, logs of this stuff would be
[01:56] <lazyPower> sarnold: whoa whoa buddy - lets not get carried away here. LXC is the hotness
[01:57] <lazyPower> X-Rob: I think those bits are in the machine-0 log, but i might be mistaken. They coudl be going to stdout/err and by proxy discarded.
[01:57] <X-Rob> LXC -is- the hotness, except, it doesn't work well with pacemaker and floating IP addresses.
[01:57] <X-Rob> lazyPower: nah, nothing in machine-0
[01:57] <lazyPower> X-Rob: ah i was tongue in cheek'ing @ sarnold.
[01:57] <thumper> X-Rob: is your environment running?
[01:58] <X-Rob> thumper: eeyup
[01:58] <sarnold> lazyPower: heh, I spin up a dozen kvms all the time, {i386,amd64}x{lucid,precise,trusty,utopic,vivid,wet}, etc...
[01:58] <sarnold> lazyPower: containers are neat enough but not sufficient for those kinds of tests :)
[01:59] <lazyPower> thumper: are we capturing the lxc container / kvm creation logs? Its sounding like we arent.
[01:59] <lazyPower> in which case i'm more than happy to file a bug on it
[01:59] <thumper> X-Rob, lazyPower: ok, this is going to give you a lot of info...
[02:00] <thumper> you want to rack up the logging on a certain subset
[02:00] <thumper> so
[02:00] <X-Rob> Woo, I love logs.
[02:00] <thumper> get the existing logging by running 'juju get-env logging-config'
[02:00] <thumper> tell me what you have
=WARNING;unit=DEBUG
[02:00] <X-Rob> ^^ same
[02:00] <thumper> ok, do this:
[02:01] <thumper> juju set-env 'logging-config=juju.container.kvm=TRACE'
[02:01] <lazyPower> oh i love it
[02:01] <lazyPower> thumper: <3 can we put that in the docs?
[02:01] <thumper> this will capture all command line calls to the libvirt and their output
[02:01] <thumper> lazyPower: yes
[02:01] <lazyPower> WOO
[02:02] <sarnold> yay docs! :)
[02:02] <thumper> lazyPower: juju.container.lxc does the same for the lxc commands
[02:02] <thumper> X-Rob: this will tell us whether the 8G mem constraint is being passed to libvirt or not
[02:02] <thumper> if it is, it is a libvirt problem
[02:02] <thumper> if it isn't, it is a juju problem
[02:02] <X-Rob> thumper: OK, lemme go do this thing.
[02:03] <X-Rob> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/z0Bi2JHZ
[02:03] <X-Rob> now.. for the logs..
[02:04] <X-Rob> ... um. OK, WHICH logs? on 9?
[02:04] <X-Rob> yep, on 9
[02:04] <X-Rob> 2015-01-06 02:03:27 TRACE juju.container.kvm libvirt.go:35 uvt-kvm [create --log-console-output --user-data /var/lib/juju/containers/juju-machine-9-kvm-7/cloud-init --bridge juju-br0 --memory 512 --cpu 1 --disk 8 juju-machine-9-kvm-7 release=trusty arch=amd64]
[02:04] <X-Rob> thumper: juju's fault.
[02:05] <thumper> X-Rob: add that to the bug please
[02:05] <thumper> I'll try to get someone to look at it
[02:05]  * thumper complains that it used to work
[02:05] <thumper> actually
[02:05] <thumper> not sure if I tested that particular use case
[02:06] <thumper> I tested kvm machines created for the local provider using memory constraints
[02:06] <thumper> probably never worked...
[02:06] <thumper> oops
[02:06] <thumper> my bad
[02:06] <lazyPower> thumper: the bits to reset the logging to default?
[02:06] <lazyPower> juju set-env 'logging-config=<root>=WARN;unit=DEBUG' ?
[02:07] <thumper> juju set-env 'logging-config=<root>=WARN'
[02:07] <lazyPower> stellar
[02:07] <lazyPower> Thank you
[02:07] <thumper> lazyPower: the unit=DEBUG is added unless you explicitly turn it down
[02:07] <thumper> this means that we always see hook output
[02:07] <lazyPower> right
[02:07] <thumper> you can turn it off by doing this:
[02:07] <thumper> juju set-env 'logging-config=<root>=WARN;unit=WARN'
[02:07] <thumper> that way your logs won't contain the hook output
[02:08] <thumper> lazyPower: levels are: TRACE, DEBUG, INFO, WARNING, ERROR
[02:08] <thumper> highly recommended that you have at least WARNING
[02:08] <thumper> and anything under WARNING is likely to be developer related debugging and logging
[02:08] <thumper> so not necessarily intelligible
[02:09] <thumper> the logging-config can be as long as you like
[02:09] <X-Rob> I like logs.
[02:09] <thumper> juju help logging
[02:09] <X-Rob> but.. not much use with this
[02:09] <thumper> LIKE A BOSS
[02:09] <lazyPower> https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/216
[02:10] <X-Rob> OMGDOCSWTF
[02:10] <sarnold> lazyPower: <3
[02:10] <lazyPower> X-Rob: i'm like Tron - I fight for the users.
[02:10] <sarnold> lazyPower: .. where do those logs go?
[02:11] <lazyPower> sarnold: in thumpers email, where they belong :P
[02:11] <thumper> all-machines.log
[02:11] <sarnold> lazyPower: lol
[02:11] <thumper> which is looked at for 'juju debug-log'
[02:11] <lazyPower> Updating
[02:12] <X-Rob> https://i.imgur.com/ZPHgGeu.jpg
[02:12] <X-Rob> That's my test environment, by the way
[02:13] <sarnold> X-Rob: is that sixteen "blades" with two storage boxes?
[02:13] <X-Rob> sarnold: yeah.
[02:13] <lazyPower> sarnold: whats your github user id? you're not sarnold @_@
[02:13] <sarnold> X-Rob: and is that a volleyball in the back? :)
[02:13] <X-Rob> sarnold: that's actually my gym 8)
[02:13] <sarnold> lazyPower: "setharnold", I laughed at github and didn't move on it quickly enough...
[02:14] <X-Rob> https://i.imgur.com/gn1aoRw.jpg
[02:14] <sarnold> "the whole point of git is that it is decentralized, who would want to put it all on a central server anyway?" ... heh
[02:14] <X-Rob> my exuse is that I don't use it anyway, and it's got aircond, AND I happen to have 2 15amp 240v circuits in there
[02:14] <sarnold> X-Rob: sweet, complete with minisplit aircon! :)
[02:15] <X-Rob> (<-- au, we have 240v natively)
[02:15] <sarnold> nice
[02:15] <X-Rob> Ebay, $2k
[02:15] <thumper> X-Rob: what are you testing for exactly?
[02:16] <sarnold> X-Rob: wow, I thought the "au tax" would make that rig five times that...
[02:16] <X-Rob> thumper: Well, the long term result is this stuff is going to be an openstack build for my minecraft server (I run mcau.org)
[02:16] <X-Rob> sarnold: I did have to jump in my van and drive for 16 hours (each way) with 1 hour notice to my wife to go pick it up.  I'm a VCP, but I now (officially) hate them.
[02:17] <sarnold> man australia is a big place.
[02:17] <thumper> VCP?
[02:18] <thumper> my kids are now all into minecraft :)
[02:18] <X-Rob> https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/Gladstone+QLD/Caringbah+South+NSW/@-28.8680946,146.9265686,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x6bc27489ada17a29:0x500eef17f210e60!2m2!1d151.2597998!2d-23.8487083!1m5!1m1!1s0x6b12c78d09dddc5b:0x5017d6816334960!2m2!1d151.1213599!2d-34.0551444
[02:18] <X-Rob> thumper: vmware certified professional
[02:18] <X-Rob> I did the course and stuff
[02:19] <X-Rob> thumper: well, mcau will be MAAS+JUJU+OpenStack
[02:19] <thumper> nifty
[02:22] <lazyPower> sarnold: https://plus.google.com/100016143571682046224/posts/ZHG9ybVN3pR
[02:22] <lazyPower> lots of activity on the post here - seems like one person was already +1 on this idea
[02:22] <sarnold> X-Rob: long-ass drive, but for that kind of hardware at that price, probably makes sense...
[02:23] <X-Rob> sarnold: yep, it was. It's kinda old, but, good enough for lots of small minecraft servers.
[02:23] <lazyPower> thumper: did you see the minecraft post I made lastyear? Let me refresh you :D  https://plus.google.com/100016143571682046224/posts/PaVGh51FYCR
[02:24] <sarnold> lazyPower: heh, I gave a +1 earlier.. is it mine? :)
[02:24] <lazyPower> sarnold: actually no - an indie security researcher
[02:24] <sarnold> X-Rob: I'm eyeing some older server gear for home use myself, I'm more interested in a pile of storage than a bunch of vms though..
[02:24] <sarnold> aha
[02:26] <X-Rob> sarnold: it's really easy to get a pile of storage these days. ceph + a couple of cheap-arse motherboards with 6 or 8 SATA sockets.
[02:28] <sarnold> X-Rob: I've thought a bit about going that route but think I'd rather get something like a supermicro or norco with 15~20 drive bays and do zfs instead...
[02:29] <sarnold> X-Rob: a pal keeps suggesting getting a drive shelf instead and hook it up with external sas, but I think I'd rather avoid expanders ..
[02:30] <sarnold> .. of course, I also worry about the noise of going that route. a few desktops running ceph would probably be quieter.
[02:31] <X-Rob> Ick, I';m with you there, external sas is nothing but heartache
[02:31] <X-Rob> sarnold: my original ceph cluster was two milk crates with motheboard|cardboard|pizza spacers|cardboard|sata disks
[02:32] <X-Rob> and I cabled tied the psus to the outside
[02:32] <sarnold> hahaha
[02:32] <X-Rob> PROFESSIONAL AWW YES
[02:32] <lazyPower> seems legit
[02:32] <lazyPower> the pizza expanders made it even more legit
[02:32] <lazyPower> s/expanders/spacers/
[02:32] <sarnold> yeah I lost it at the pizza spacers :)
[02:32] <X-Rob> heheh
[02:33] <X-Rob> They were needed, they gave the cardboard better structural integrity so it didn't collapse all over the motherboard
[02:33] <sarnold> plus also, kept the pizz from getting the cardboard messy in the first place, amirite? :)
[02:35] <X-Rob> heh. They weren't pizza boxes. That would have been the best idea, now I think about it
[02:55] <catbus1> Hi, I have used juju to deploy some charms, my understanding is juju would cache charms, where can I find the cached charms?
[02:56] <sarnold> catbus1: iirc, in ~/.juju/ there's a directory of cached charms..
[02:57] <catbus1> sarnold: I do see them in ~/.juju/, there is environments/, environments.yaml and ssh/.
[02:58] <catbus1> I don't see a list of charms I deployed in those 2 directories.
[02:58] <sarnold> catbus1: look under environments/, it's probably in a subdirectory named after the environment
[02:58] <catbus1> sarnold: there is just maas.jenv in environments/.
[02:59] <lazyPower> catbus1: is this a local environment, or a cloud environment?
[02:59] <lazyPower> catbus1: if its ac loud environment,t hose charms are then cached on the stateserver
[02:59] <catbus1> lazyPower: a local environment.
[02:59] <lazyPower> catbus1: then sarnold is correct, you should have a local charm cache in ~/.juju/local/
[03:00] <lazyPower> thumper: has anymore thoughts/discussions happened wrt making the stateserver an honest container on the local provider?
[03:00] <thumper> lazyPower: yeah... I'm considering doing Fun Fridays :-)
[03:00] <thumper> lazyPower: got to get through MESS first
[03:00] <thumper> or at least happy it is going in the righ tway
[03:01] <thumper> lazyPower: I know what I want to do...
[03:01] <lazyPower> oh agreed, i wasnt pressuring by any means, just curious if we're still headed down that path in the future.
[03:01] <thumper> lazyPower: and it doesn't seem too hard
[03:01] <thumper> oh yes
[03:01] <thumper> I want it
[03:01] <thumper> and I want it soon
[03:01] <lazyPower> because to be honest, it sounds really compelling. And i'd love to see that be the case.
[03:01] <thumper> so I can test MESS and HA using a local environment
[03:01] <lazyPower> MESS?
[03:01] <lazyPower> haha
[03:01] <lazyPower> <3
[03:01] <thumper> multi environment state server
[03:01] <lazyPower> OH!
[03:01] <thumper> mark hates it
[03:01] <thumper> the name that is
[03:01] <thumper> but I think it is cute
[03:01] <thumper> I'm just making a mess
[03:02] <lazyPower> i just laughed so hard i got light headed
[03:02] <lazyPower> haha
[03:02] <sarnold> hehe
[03:02] <thumper> lazyPower: so, in something completely unrelated
[03:02]  * lazyPower smells a work item coming out of this aside
[03:02] <thumper> lazyPower: I want python-django to support django 1.7, virtual environments, and python 3
[03:02] <lazyPower> called it
[03:03] <thumper> I've hacked my local python-django so I can deploy my django 1.7 app
[03:03] <thumper> and I wanted to use python 3
[03:03] <thumper> but gave up
[03:03] <thumper> so I'm using 2.7 and django 1.7
[03:03] <lazyPower> that should be fairly simple. Python3 exists in the repositories
[03:03] <lazyPower> you should be able to warden all of that with venv's
[03:03] <thumper> yeah, but python-django doesn't use virtual envs
[03:03] <bladernr`> lazyPower: catbus was incorrect, we're using juju via MAAS
[03:04] <lazyPower> bladernr`: ok - that makes more sense why it wasn't showing up in ~/.juju/local
[03:04] <bladernr`> not the local provider.  so you're saing the charms would be cached on the bootstrap node?
[03:04] <lazyPower> bladernr`: the cached charms will be on your state server on the MAAS machine.
[03:04] <lazyPower> correct
[03:04] <lazyPower> thumper: are those charms getting stuffed in gridfs or are they on disk on the state server? this is where i get fuzzy
[03:04] <thumper> um...
[03:04] <thumper> deployed charms?
[03:04] <lazyPower> and wait what? django doesn't support venvs?
[03:04] <thumper> lazyPower: nope
[03:05] <thumper> hang on
[03:05] <lazyPower> as in the framework or the charm?
[03:05] <thumper> django does
[03:05] <thumper> the charm doesn
[03:05] <thumper> tt
[03:05] <lazyPower> ah ok, the charm could be modified i would think to be a simple task
[03:05] <lazyPower> inspect for a .venv file/dir, if so - route throught hat. using something like virtualenvwrapper
[03:05] <thumper> lazyPower: if you make it work, I'll test it
[03:05] <lazyPower> thumper: if you file bugs, i'll put it on the list
[03:05] <thumper> ha
[03:05] <thumper> fair call
[03:06] <lazyPower> forewarning though - i'm not a django dev - so i might make a bigger mess than MESS
[03:06] <lazyPower> so i imagine i'll be pestering you for pairing
[03:06] <bladernr`> lazyPower: thanks, /var/lib/juju/charmcache finally found it
[03:06] <lazyPower> bladernr`: awesome! glad you got it sorted :)
[03:09] <thumper> lazyPower: perhaps we can scratch each other's back...
[03:09] <thumper> lazyPower: I may submit a patch or two to python-django
[03:09] <lazyPower> thumper: go on...
[03:09] <thumper> mostly to clean it up
[03:09] <lazyPower> I'd like that, and i'm sure the maintainer would too
[03:09] <thumper> it is a bit messy,
[03:09] <lazyPower> yeah, last time i poked around in there i had @_@ these eyes
[03:09] <lazyPower> its one of those inhereted charms from when the store was the wild west
[03:10] <thumper> but if I just make multiple small patches
[03:10] <lazyPower> we're cleaning quite a bit of it up though - did you see the email that hit the last pre-break about the 30 or some odd charms slated for moving to ~unmaintained?
[03:10] <thumper> I'm a little frustrated that it doesn't support django 1.7 even though it has been released for 10 months
[03:10] <thumper> lazyPower: I don't follow the list too closely for those things
[03:11] <lazyPower> tsk tsk, but you could say the same to me for not diving through the -dev list for all your features that are landing.
[03:11] <lazyPower> okay, belated new years resolution - i'll follow juju-hackers 10% more closely than i currently do.
[03:11] <lazyPower> which will put my current level of monitoring at 10%
[03:13] <X-Rob> heh
[03:13] <X-Rob> Actually, lazyPower, 10% more of 0% is still 0%.
[03:13] <thumper> lazyPower: and one for me, you'll get a patch for python-django in the next few weeks
[03:13] <sarnold> 1.1 * 0.0 == 0.0 ... success!
[03:13] <X-Rob> snap, sarnold
[03:13] <sarnold> X-Rob: your message got to me first though, you beat me fair and square :)
[03:14] <X-Rob> So the company I work for has been bought by another company and they want me to use exchange.
[03:14] <lazyPower> sarnold X-Rob: touche - however 1.1 * 1 = 1.1
[03:14]  * X-Rob grumbles.
[03:15] <lazyPower> reading juju-hackers list is kind of like checking the fridge, looking around for something because you know you'r ehungry - closing the door and coming back 15 minutes later to repeat the process.
[03:15] <lazyPower> you shuffle around the condiments a bit, figure there's nothing in there to munch on and order a pizza
[03:15] <sarnold> X-Rob: suuuuuck
[03:15] <lazyPower> completely missing the cheese cake in the back
[05:51] <skay> lazyPower: just saw you were talking about the python-django charm... and missed hte conversation.
[05:52] <skay> lazyPower: will the pure-python branch be merged soon? the ci tests and stuff got cleaned up
[05:52] <skay> I have some patches I'd like submit once that goes
[12:52] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: what's the deal with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1373006
[12:52] <mup> Bug #1373006: Hortonworks hdp 2.1 Storm+ZK bundle <Juju Charms Collection:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373006>
[15:39] <skay> any chance of getting pure-python python-django MR pushed soon? I would like to start putting together some MR and that has a lot of changes in it
[15:40] <skay> I'll be in merge hell if I don't wait
[15:41] <marcoceppi> skay: I'm not sure the state of the review, but you're welcome to do a review of it yourself if it's waiting for more eyes
[15:42] <skay> marcoceppi: I am relatively new to juju and not sure my review would be very insightful
[15:43] <marcoceppi> skay: well, we always welcome community reviewers. If you're looking to get mroe in to charming it's a great way to look at what other people are tyring to do. If you find something comment on it! If you don't that's fine too, it'll still go through the review of a charmer before making it's way to the store
[15:43] <skay> it's been reviewed by some charmers already and has passed hte ci tests
[15:44] <skay> the commiter made fixes based on the review cmments
[15:44] <marcoceppi> sounds like it's just stuck waiting finial approval then
[15:44] <marcoceppi> I'll see if I can take a look at it today, the queue is mighty big these days :\
[15:44] <skay> is there a way for me to tell?
[15:45] <skay> at this point, I would like to provide suggestions by submitting some small merge requests rather than holding up the MR
[15:45] <marcoceppi> http://review.juju.solutions/
[15:45] <marcoceppi> is where it is in the queue, it's pretty close to the top now
[15:46] <skay> thanks
[15:46] <marcoceppi> yeah, this is just waiting for a merge, I'll take a few mins to finalize and merge it today
[15:46] <skay> \o/
[15:48] <skay> btw, I'm getting an error when I try to login to the site
[15:49] <marcoceppi> skay: what's the error?
[15:50] <skay> marcoceppi: The server encountered an unexpected internal server error
[15:50] <roadmr> odd... I was able to log in just fine
[15:50] <skay> it hates me
[15:50]  * skay sobs
[15:51] <marcoceppi> myself as well, I wonder if this is because of some weird issue with code
[15:51] <roadmr> skay: did you tell it your name? (the openid interstitial that lets you choose what to share)
[15:51] <skay> I was curious if I could log in and trigger a new jenkins job
[15:51] <marcoceppi> skay: ah, you can't, that's reserved only for charmers
[15:51] <skay> roadmr: yep, after it fafiled I went and gave it all the permissions
[15:51] <roadmr> I noticed nothing was ticked, so I ticked everything before going on
[15:51] <roadmr> skay: ok, so that's not it
[15:51] <marcoceppi> the internal server error is just the reviewq not having much good code around login since it was kind of a last min thought
[15:52] <marcoceppi> skay: try again?
[15:53] <marcoceppi> yeah, I see why it's failing
[15:53] <marcoceppi> it's a known issue
[15:53] <skay> okiedokie. not urgent
[15:54] <marcoceppi> skay: once you get a review in the review queue log in will start working for you
[17:15] <jose> hey tvansteenburgh, have a min for a PM?
[17:15] <tvansteenburgh> jose: yup
[17:19] <wesleymason> Anyone know if a lint with warnings will stop a charm getting promulgated into the store?
[17:21] <marcoceppi> wesleymason: a warning, yes. though depends on the warning
[17:21] <marcoceppi> which are you getting?
[18:03] <jcastro> cory_fu, what's the closest thing you have to a homepage for DHX?
[18:03] <cory_fu> jcastro: I guess the blog post: http://blog.juju.solutions/cloud/juju/2014/11/26/debug-hooks-ext-plugin.html
[18:04] <cory_fu> Why do you ask?
[18:04] <jcastro> I am giving a presentation to the SA guys in like 2 weeks
[18:04] <jcastro> and I want to go over DHX
[18:04] <cory_fu> Ah, cool
[18:05] <jcastro> because it seems they would benefit a bunch from knowing about it
[19:17] <skay> hey, someone is giving a juju talk at lcaconf. my spouse is on the video team for the conf
[19:18] <skay> I wish I could be there. I want to go to lcaconf one day
[19:18] <skay> this year's is in Auckland, which would be so cool to visit
[19:53] <X-Rob> lca is pretty awesome
[21:19] <wesleymason> marcoceppi: start/stop hooks missing, it's a subordinate with a binary called on demand, so there's no service to start/stop..I know I can just add blank hooks, but feels messy given they're unnecessary.
[21:20] <marcoceppi> that hasnt been a warning in s long time wesleymason
[21:20] <marcoceppi> wesleymason: do you have the latest charm-tools from ppa:juju/stable ?
[21:22] <wesleymason> marcoceppi: nah, from universe
[21:23] <marcoceppi> wesleymason: yeah, sadly that version of charm-tools is a whole rewrite behind
[21:23] <marcoceppi> we'll have it updated in vivid and in releases going forward
[21:23]  * wesleymason ignores the warnings then
[21:23] <marcoceppi> until then ppa:juju/stable is the best place to get the most recent version
[21:23] <wesleymason> marcoceppi: ta
[21:24] <marcoceppi> wesleymason: you can also install it in a python virtualenv from pip if you're so inclined
[21:24] <wesleymason> marcoceppi: avoiding using latest until juju is upgraded in prod by IS
[21:24] <marcoceppi> wesleymason: ack, I can make a charm-tools only ppa if that helps
[21:25] <wesleymason> marcoceppi: tbf I could just pin it, might just install in the virtualenv anyway as using one for tests
[21:25] <marcoceppi> wesleymason: virtualenv works pretty well and is the least amount of effort betweent the two of us
[21:28] <wesleymason> marcoceppi: ta muchly
[21:28] <marcoceppi> np
[23:19] <noise][> lazyPower: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/haproxy/+bug/1407815 - I finally tracked down the cause of that relation-changed bug I mentioned yesterday
[23:19] <mup> Bug #1407815: adding a 2nd website unit fails to call reverseproxy-relation-changed <haproxy (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1407815>
[23:19] <lazyPower> noise][: looking
[23:20] <noise][> lazyPower: now I need to go look through the code to figure out __why__
[23:20] <lazyPower> noise][: weird, byproduct of a debug setting?
[23:20] <noise][> right??
[23:20] <lazyPower> that smells
[23:20] <noise][> nearly drove me insane
[23:20]  * lazyPower identifys a code smell
[23:20] <lazyPower> noise][: well i'm glad you've got more info to go on. I'm subbing to this bug to monitor your progress
[23:20] <lazyPower> if you need any help feel free to reach out. I'm not an expert with the charm but i can lend a second pair of eyes
[23:21] <noise][> i was just about to chuck my computer in the bin!
[23:21] <noise][> lazyPower: cool, shouldn't be too hard to find the root cause now