[12:14] <PhinnFort> Levi-: what exactly do you want?
[12:14] <Levi-> the old partition takes up the entire disk
[12:15] <Levi-> I dont think theres much i can do
[12:15] <Levi-> -.-
[12:15] <PhinnFort> Levi-: on your slave you have a single partition?
[12:15] <Levi-> Yeah
[12:15] <PhinnFort> Levi-: have you looked into what it contains?
[12:15] <Levi-> hm
[12:15] <Levi-> I dont have enough ram to back it up
[12:15] <PhinnFort> Levi-: hum?
[12:15] <Levi-> if i was to copy all the data to ram
[12:16] <Levi-> as in on the live cds desktop
[12:16] <PhinnFort> Levi-: but what is on that partition?
[12:16] <Levi-> Music I had irreplaceable photos
[12:17] <PhinnFort> Levi-: and you want to back them up somewhere, and then repartition, and use the partition for ubuntu?
[12:17] <PhinnFort> how about uploading them to some online storage?
[12:17] <Levi-> I cant get my desktop online
[12:17] <tom_> burn to dvd?
[12:18] <Levi-> only a CD rw drive
[12:18] <Levi-> and two CD rs
[12:18] <PhinnFort> Levi-: crossed tp-cable and another computer?
[12:18] <tom_> lol
[12:18] <PhinnFort> samba/nfs?
[12:18] <tom_> get another hd lol?
[12:18] <Levi-> lol
[12:18] <PhinnFort> :P
[12:18] <PhinnFort> Levi-: where in the world are you, I have some 10GB's to spare?
[12:19] <Levi-> is ther a way to network two compys together without a router or switch?
[12:19] <tom_> yea
[12:19] <Levi-> Oooohhhh HOw
[12:19] <PhinnFort> Levi-: crossed network cable
[12:19] <Levi-> My laptop has wondows tho
[12:19] <tom_> u need a crossover cable
[12:19] <Levi-> dont have that
[12:19] <PhinnFort> [00:20]  <PhinnFort> Levi-: crossed tp-cable and another computer?
[12:19] <tom_> only cost about 2 quid
[12:19] <Levi-> quid..?
[12:19] <PhinnFort> Levi-: if you're lucky, your NICs will adjust automatically with a normal cable
[12:19] <tom_> sorry, my yorkshire accent, 2
[12:20] <Levi-> which is how much USD
[12:20] <PhinnFort> Levi-: some modern network cards work with just a normal network cable between computers
[12:20] <tom_> $4?
[12:20] <Levi-> Im American
[12:20] <Levi-> lol
[12:20] <tom_> ish
[12:20] <Levi-> Thanks
[12:20] <PhinnFort> Levi-: I got mine for free;)
[12:20] <tom_> depends where u get it frm lol
[12:20] <PhinnFort> (I know the dudes who make them, though)
[12:20] <Levi-> BLah you and your freeness
[12:20] <tom_> make ur own :P
[12:20] <PhinnFort> Levi-: I guess you're in the states?
[12:20] <Levi-> Yes
[12:20] <PhinnFort> too bad...
[12:20] <Levi-> im SOL
[12:20] <PhinnFort> lots of shipping...
[12:20] <Levi-> xD
[12:21] <PhinnFort> ?
[12:21] <Levi-> Sh*t outta luck
[12:21] <PhinnFort> ah...;)
[12:21] <tom_> so get a cable then?
[12:21] <PhinnFort> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOL doesn't mention that...
[12:21] <Levi-> naahhh see that costs money which is something i dont have.... =)
[12:21] <Levi-> well wikipedia is wrong
[12:21] <Levi-> Im gonna add that
[12:21] <tom_> lol tight wad :P
[12:22] <Levi-> lol
[12:22] <DagonX> What is the way to unlock ADD/REMOVE programs
[12:22] <PhinnFort> Levi-: I'm sure you have something you can sell for a couple of "bucks"
[12:22] <PhinnFort> DagonX: ?
[12:22] <Levi-> lopl
[12:22] <Levi-> *lol
[12:22] <Levi-> hm maybe actually
[12:22] <tom_> sell your shoes!
[12:22] <PhinnFort> your grandmotheR?
[12:22] <Levi-> I DO have old arse computer cards
[12:22] <tom_> haha
[12:22] <Levi-> sound cards etc
[12:22] <PhinnFort> Levi-: go trade them in;)
[12:22] <Levi-> I coul
[12:22] <Levi-> d
[12:23] <ubuntu__> booted kubuntu LIVEDVD and  wan  to see vista partition
[12:23] <Levi-> but my dad just took the truck
[12:23] <tom_> meeee
[12:23] <subsonic_> my internet connection is a joke tonight!!!
[12:23] <tom_> free?
[12:23] <ubuntu__> in system settings
[12:23] <DagonX> The add/remove program says the database is locked and it wants a previous opened version close.
[12:23] <PhinnFort> tom_: do you pay the shipping?;)
[12:23] <DagonX> The is after a fresh boot
[12:23] <PhinnFort> !aptfix | DagonX
[12:23] <ubotu> DagonX: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:23] <tom_> PhinnFort: hmmmm
[12:23] <PhinnFort> DagonX: capisce?
[12:23] <DagonX> thanks - I will give that a try
[12:24] <PhinnFort> tell me if it works, I won't sleep well tonight
[12:24] <Levi-> my desktop froze
[12:24] <Levi-> great
[12:24] <PhinnFort> fun
[12:24] <Levi-> -.-
[12:24] <PhinnFort> Levi-: sure it's just the harddrive that's b0rked?
[12:25] <Levi-> I was trying to configure wireless
[12:25] <ubuntu__> liveDVD kubuntu boot wont let me peep into existing xp  partitions
[12:25] <PhinnFort> Levi-: alt+prtscr+k
[12:25] <PhinnFort> !ntfs | ubuntu__
[12:25] <ubotu> ubuntu__: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:25] <Levi-> what goodll that do me
[12:25] <Levi-> its frozen
[12:25] <PhinnFort> Levi-: it should kill all open programs in current terminal
[12:25] <Levi-> Oh.. I see/
[12:26] <Levi-> well still no luck
[12:26] <PhinnFort> http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/sysrq.txt
[12:26] <Levi-> Igotta remember that one
[12:26] <ubuntu__> PhinnFort: special case livedvd boot
[12:26] <Levi-> PhinnFort, my mouse wouldnt move
[12:26] <dwidmann_> uh oh
[12:26] <ubuntu__> In a future release, when [WWW]  LiveCD does not mount hard disk partitions (yet) is fixed, this step should be almost automatic.
[12:26] <PhinnFort> ubuntu__: well, I'm not very familiary with windows
[12:26] <ubuntu__> PhinnFort:
[12:27] <PhinnFort> Levi-: try whacking it around a bit
[12:27] <DagonX> It worked -- thanks
[12:27] <Levi-> lol
[12:27] <ubuntu__> taken      from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[12:27] <Levi-> Ill tinker with it for awhile
[12:28] <ubuntu__> bad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/16356
[12:32] <PhinnFort> worse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
[12:36] <malaeum> Hello everyone, I am new to kubunut, just installed a few hours ago. Long time linux user though. I am having a bit of trouble getting my system setup. I'm learning the kubuntu way of doing thigns just fine, but I've hit a snag. I am trying to use the monitor configuration in kcontrol (or control-center) and after trying to setup my dual monitors failed, now I can no longer access that control-module.
[12:36] <PhinnFort> malaeum: hit alt+f2, type in "krandrtray" and use the applet that appears in your tray
[12:36] <PhinnFort> malaeum: I and the System Settings Monitor tool are not friends
[12:38] <malaeum> PhinnFort: well that works, but it doesn't allow me to accomplish my goal. I want to setup a dual-monitor desktop, right now my monitors are just "cloning" and all krandr does is allow me to change resolution.
[12:38] <PhinnFort> !dualhead
[12:38] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[12:38] <PhinnFort> !xinerama
[12:38] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[12:38] <malaeum> thanks
[12:38] <PhinnFort> yw;)
[12:38] <malaeum> Is there no way to fix that control module though?
[12:39] <PhinnFort> malaeum: I'm not too terribly familiar with it
[12:39] <PhinnFort> malaeum: you could try running systemsettings in a konsole and see what it spits out
[12:40] <malaeum> lots of stuffs, nothing that I saw that was terribly helpful though. I mean it could be to the proper person, but basically its missing a file with an obscure name.
[12:41] <PhinnFort> malaeum: could you paste it somewhere?
[12:41] <malaeum> I've seen this occur and seen quite a few forum posts / bug reports found via google.
[12:41] <PhinnFort> rafb.net/paste maybe
[12:41] <malaeum> one sec, sure.
[12:41] <intelikey> konsole salivates !       yuch!
[12:41] <PhinnFort> rotfl
[12:42] <malaeum> PhinnFort: http://rafb.net/p/DaiWqf38.html
[12:42] <intelikey> trout!
[12:44] <intelikey> \.\* with a \.\* trout!
[12:44] <intelikey> i guess it's the whole line.
[12:45] <malaeum> PhinnFort: you see anything relevant from that output?
[12:46] <PhinnFort> malaeum: it's missing a file, but I can't see which...
[12:47] <malaeum>  PhinnFort thank you python  =\
[12:47] <PhinnFort> ;)
[12:47] <PhinnFort> malaeum: maybe ask in #python for help
[12:47] <malaeum> bah, this has to be fixable, fricken KDE being a PITA.
[12:48] <malaeum> I'm just worried if I've encountered a bug this big on my first day with the OS...
[12:48] <malaeum> the only solution google yielded  was outdated, reinstall a package that no loger exists
[12:49] <intelikey> PhinnFort i'm no programmer, but wouldn't line 43 be just as likely a variable not expanded properly.   thus no file name and therefore no file...  ?
[12:49] <Datalanche> I've never gotten dual head to work properly =/
[12:49] <malaeum> well, hrmm, this post is from yesterday
[12:49] <PhinnFort> intelikey: could be, but I
[12:49] <malaeum> I have in every other OS, including other distros
[12:49] <PhinnFort> 'm not awake enough to form a coherent thought
[12:50] <malaeum> Been a gentoo user for 5 years, finally getting sick of the breakage, so thought I'd give kubunutu a try.
[12:50] <Datalanche> ati driver, fglrx driver, BigDisplay, xinerama, every tutorial on the wikis, nothing works (properly)
[12:51] <intelikey> malaeum expect breakage here too.     hopefully not as much, nor as often; but it'll be here.
[12:51] <Datalanche> But then again I'm not dualing two identify monitors, I need two very different displays at two pretty different resolutions
[12:51] <malaeum> Datalanche: thats unfortunate, I've actually had it working with multiple setups. fglrx using bigdesktop and just a framebuffer with xinerama
[12:51] <malaeum> intelikey: thats fine, and I'd think the solutions are somewhat less obsufucated at times too.
[12:52] <Datalanche> The cloesest I got was getting the resolutions I needed, but it did this stange thing where the bottom left was on monitor 1, and the top with was on monitor 2
[12:52] <Datalanche> top right, rather
[12:52] <malaeum> intelikey: I dont think you'll have near as much due to the fact that this isn't source based and they have to try and account for millions of possible build environment setups.
[12:52] <malaeum> maybe I'll just snag my old xorg.conf off the other drive and see what happens if I try and fire that up.
[12:52] <Datalanche> I've never really had Kubuntu totally break on me... but then again, I don't use backports
[12:53] <intelikey> yes most "fixes" are rather simple and easy to find.      but at times more or less non-existant as well.
[12:53] <PhinnFort> !install
[12:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[12:53] <malaeum> intelikey: my firephoto day here and I see that.
[12:53] <malaeum> what the heck?
[12:53] <malaeum> I didnt type firephoto.
[12:53] <malaeum> odd.
[12:53] <malaeum> anyways, "my first day here and I see that"
[12:53] <intelikey> nick completion
[12:54] <malaeum> ah, must have hit tab.
[12:54] <intelikey> good habit wrong place.
[12:54] <intelikey> :)
[12:54] <malaeum> yeah
[12:55] <malaeum> the one thing that I do miss about gentoo is the terminal's coloriziation, but I am pretty sure thats just a bash hack that I can port on over
[12:55] <fisk0> hello, my Ubuntu (which I've installed and is currently running KDE in) suddenly doesn't allow mounting FAT32 partitions any longer, instead I get an error saying: "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"
[12:55] <intelikey> yep check the /[etc,~] /[profile,bash.*]
[12:56] <intelikey> @ malaeum ^
[12:56] <carlos> buenas noches
[12:56] <carlos> hay alguien que able espaol?
[12:56] <Datalanche> !es
[12:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:56] <carlos> necesito algo de ayuda xD
[12:57] <lameran> hi
[12:57] <lameran> wussup
[12:57] <lameran> liste
[12:57] <lameran> lisetn
[12:57] <lameran> listen
[12:58] <intelikey> are you lisdexic ?
[12:58] <lameran> wireless?
[12:58] <Datalanche> !wireless
[12:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:59] <lameran> OMFG!!
[12:59] <ejw2076> Is anyone familiar with DMRAID?  I'm trying to set up a raid0 array, but can't figure out how the partitions are going to work.
[12:59] <lameran> looking good
[01:01] <intelikey> t/s
[01:02] <lameran> hi
[01:02] <snowdonkey> Hi.  How do I log onto the Internet using my ISP's username and password?
[01:02] <lameran> Access point?
[01:03] <snowdonkey> To use DSL I have to input a user name and password for my modem.  Not sure what you mean by access point Iameran
[01:03] <intelikey> snowdonkey      network manager ?
[01:03] <makuseru> hi, does anyone know where i can download folding@home for linux? the http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html site i guess got somthing mixed up, because under where it says linux, the downlaod is a .exe
[01:04] <PhinnFort> !folding@home
[01:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about folding@home - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <PhinnFort> !folding
[01:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about folding - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <snowdonkey> intelikey I'm using dapper so network manager not installed by default.  I'll give it a try
[01:05] <lameran> access point?
[01:05] <intelikey> knetworkmanager - User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager
[01:06] <intelikey> i thought it was default on the LTS...  </shrugs>
[01:06] <lameran> and then?
[01:06] <tdn> If I run ktorrent --help-kde, I get the -nocrashhandler option. If I run ktorrent with -nocrashhandler, I still get the crash handler when ktorrent crashes. Why is that?
[01:06] <lameran> I don't see AP
[01:10] <lameran> hello?
[01:10] <lameran> why am I not seeing AP (aka Access Point
[01:10] <lameran> )
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> tdn: sounds more like a question for ktorrent's forum
[01:10] <snowdonkey_> Howdy.  Does anyone know where I can input my ISP's username and password to use DSL?  I installed network manager but a binary wasn't installed on my system.  prolly b/c I'm usnig dapper
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> like PPPoE?
[01:11] <intelikey> never heard of it lameran
[01:11] <tdn> Can I add links to folders in the Quicklauncher?
[01:12] <tdn> Daisuke_Ido, hmm... Why is that? I think this is an option that is on almost every K application.
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> tdn: and if it's NOT on ktorrent, then it's a problem for ktorrents' developers
[01:13] <lameran> anyone with me?
[01:13] <intelikey> snowdonkey_ "but a binary wasn't installed on my system" ???   did you not see the post i made on that?    <intelikey> knetworkmanager - User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager
[01:13] <tdn> Daisuke_Ido, ok.
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> you just answered your own question :)
[01:13] <lameran> O$ X and m$ XP work outta the box
[01:13] <lameran> what's wrong with Kutubntu
[01:13] <lameran> ?
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> that's "OS X" and "MS"
[01:13] <snowdonkey_> intelikey ah, thanks.  I actually didn't see that.  :)
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> bashing other OSes isn't what we do here
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> and kubuntu isn't the others, don't make the mistake of thinking it is.
[01:14] <lameran> I aint bashing
[01:14] <lameran> just pointing out the fact
[01:14] <kane> linux != windows != mac
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> linux requires a little more work on your part.  stop and think about what's wrong.  i already asked if you were dealing with PPPoE
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> no, that was snowdonkey
[01:15] <kane> my nvidia graphics card doesnt work on my machine that i installed OSX on, thats an issue with OSx right?
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> you have wireless problems
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> what's your wireless chipset?
[01:15] <intelikey> ooooh yuch  the order in that equation is sujestive and i don't like the sujestion.... @ kane   ;/
[01:15] <lameran> thZyDASis is my card
[01:16] <kane> hehe...
[01:16] <lameran> Zydas using zd1222 rw driver
[01:16] <fisk0> nobody got a solution for my fat32 mounting problem?
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: the order doesn't matter in that as there's no less than/greater than comparison going on
[01:16] <lameran> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:off/any  Nickname:"zd1211" <-- this ok?
[01:17] <tdn> How do I add a link to a folder in the Quicklaunch panel?
[01:17] <lameran> oh my god
[01:17] <fisk0> by the way, how much work is it to make new themes/window decorations? I can't find any good ones
[01:18] <lameran> yo, anyone succesful with Zydas in setting it as AP?
[01:18] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido yes i think i grasp the basic concept in the mathmatical sense  it's  the language sense that bothered me :)     normally people do follow a progression or regression when listing things consecutively like that...
[01:18] <lameran> sharing ethernet
[01:18] <lameran> thankjs
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: true enough
[01:19] <lameran> so any ideas?
[01:19] <intelikey> fisk0 right click and configure...  about all there is to it.
[01:19] <snowdonkey_> intelikey Are you sure there is a network-manager for KDE in Dapper repositories?
[01:20] <tdn> How do I set Dolphin as the default file browser instead of Konqi?
[01:20] <lameran> if I change the settings with IWconfig will KDE chewGUIm mess it up?
[01:20] <lameran> just axing
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> asking.
[01:20] <lameran> how do I find out if the chipset supports AP to begin with
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm guessing maybe the manufacturer's site?
[01:21] <intelikey> snowdonkey_ i am running dapper.   no special repos enabled just main/universe/multiverse  and i got that stright from apt-cache search network     so i think it's there.
[01:21] <lameran> na
[01:21] <lameran> there's gotta be al inux solution
[01:21] <lameran> please guys don't let me donw!!!
[01:22] <lameran> Ubuntu reputation is at STAKE
[01:22] <lameran> you want ppl feel good about Kubtnub or not?
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> linux isn't a magic wand to be waved, no reputation is at stake except for yours as someone who apparently has never heard of google.
[01:22] <usagi__> Can anyone tell me why is it that I can load xgl on one account, but it crashes on the rest?
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> usagi__: are you using an ati or nvidia card?
[01:23] <usagi__> Daisuke_Ido: Yes. Ati 200m.
[01:23] <intelikey> lameran secondarily the reputation of *buntu is hardly our concern.
[01:23] <lameran> the reputation of Linux is at STAKE!!!
[01:24] <lameran> kubuntu is representative of linux
[01:24] <gemidjy> how can I tell dhcp not to overwrite my /etc/resolv.conf with its DNS's ?
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> lameran: the reputation of trolls is at STAKE!!!
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> so quit f-ing trolling.
[01:24] <usagi__> Trolls should grow up.
[01:24] <tdn> How do I set Dolphin as the default file browser instead of Konqi? I cannot do it from Default Applications.
[01:24] <fisk0> intelikey: if that was the answer for my mounting problems it doesn't work, I've tried looking through what konqueror says about my harddrives in the Media tab, but it just doesn't work. And the partitions mounted fine and automatically just a week or two ago
[01:24] <knapp> Is there a way to unrar a file even if the other parts are not present? (ie just unrar part 1 of 8, for example)
[01:24] <lameran> oh thanks
[01:25] <Daisuke_Ido> if it weren't for your windows "give it to me NOW" mentality and the oh-so-lovely melodrama, you might have gotten somewhere with your query.
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> knapp: it should stop automatically, probably error out because there will be files it expects that aren't there...
[01:27] <knapp> Daisuke_ldo, it gives an error, but is there no way it can extract only that portion of the file?
[01:27] <intelikey> fisk0 no that post to you was about making themes
[01:27] <usagi__> Daisuke_Ido: Do I have to do a driver/xgl install for each account?
[01:27] <intelikey> fisk0 what is the disk issue ?
[01:27] <fisk0> ahh, okay
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> usagi__: you shouldn't have to, no
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not particularly up on ati cards though :(
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> knapp: that's what i'm trying to figure out...  there should be a way to do it
[01:28] <lameran> yeah, actually linux survived its early ages without lusrs, just with a bunch of ultra-geeks
[01:28] <usagi__> Daisuke_Ido: hmmmmm Just strange it loads on the first ne and crashes on the rest.
[01:28] <lameran> quite surprising
[01:28] <fisk0> intelikey: I wrote this about 10 minutes ago: "my Ubuntu (which I've installed and is currently running KDE in) suddenly doesn't allow mounting FAT32 partitions any longer, instead I get an error saying: "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000""
[01:28] <PhinnFort> I can confirm that the Ubuntu CD's survives several minutes in +100 degrees  celsius
[01:29] <PhinnFort> in water
[01:29] <PhinnFort> aka. boiled
[01:29] <lameran> hey my wireless shows up as eth1, shouldn't be wlan0?
[01:29] <fisk0> and I'm not that used to Linux yet, only had the ubuntu installation for a month
[01:29] <lameran> and I think it can only work as AD HOC and base stattion
[01:29] <lameran> so no AP
[01:29] <intelikey> fisk0 ok  pastebin the output of    cat /etc/fstab /proc/partitions      for me please
[01:29] <Daisuke_Ido> knapp: found the solution to your problem
[01:30] <intelikey> !paste | fisk0
[01:30] <ubotu> fisk0: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> unrar x -kb file
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> (kb = keep broken)
[01:30] <lameran> oh man, it seems that I will have to do my homework on this
[01:30] <fisk0> ok
[01:31] <lameran> I've never set up AD HOC with linux nor AP
[01:31] <knapp> hmm
[01:31] <lameran> why NetworkAdmin doesn't have a buttin called AD HOC
[01:31] <lameran> does it go by another name?
[01:32] <lameran> also no choice for choosing channels
[01:32] <lameran> wait a minute, it SHOULD work as an AP because it works in m$$ XP
[01:33] <knapp> daisuke_ldo, thanks a bunch, that worked.
[01:33] <fisk0> intelikey: It wont allow me to open /proc/partitions
[01:33] <intelikey> fisk0 sudo cat /proc/partitions
[01:33] <fisk0> intelikey: here is fstab anyway http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23661/
[01:34] <fisk0> ok, intelikey
[01:34] <intelikey> lameran if you can't get answers here you can try other channels.    ##linux ##linuxhelp #ubuntu  and others...
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> knapp: you're welcome :)
[01:34] <lameran> intelikey: I see
[01:35] <lameran> anyways Gentoo folks will tell me everything
[01:35] <fisk0> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23662/
[01:35] <lameran> sorry I apologize
[01:35] <DagonX> when trying to add programs the Adept Installer keeps giving saying there was an error commiting the changes. What is the solution?
[01:36] <benny> oi
[01:36] <intelikey> fisk0 ok it's hda1 or hda2 in question ?
[01:36] <benny> alguem do Brasil?
[01:36] <Daisuke_Ido> DagonX: go to a console and type 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[01:37] <fisk0> intelikey: well, all of them actually, except for hda4 and hda7 which are linux partitions
[01:37] <fisk0> intelikey: since about a week none of the fat partitions mount anymore
[01:38] <ZhayTee> Hullo.
[01:38] <lameran> fisk0:  why not?
[01:38] <intelikey> fisk0 ok;  in a konsole enter: sudo mkdir -p /media/hda[1-8]  ;sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1
[01:38] <intelikey> tell me what it says     but don't flood the channel if it's more than a line or two don't paste it here.
[01:39] <fisk0> intelikey: is [1-8]  part of the command I should enter, or does it just mean "any of them"? :)
[01:39] <intelikey> yes just like i typed it
[01:40] <intelikey> ooops.  no it didn't expand.
[01:40] <ZhayTee> Does KDE mount USB storage devices automatically?
[01:40] <intelikey> sorry
[01:40] <Biovore> ZhayTee: I dose here..
[01:40] <Biovore> (it)
[01:40] <ZhayTee> It isn't mounting my external USB hard drive automatically. ;_;
[01:40] <ZhayTee> Hmm...
[01:40] <intelikey> fisk0 just 1  not [1-8]    shell should expand that but doesn't
[01:40] <DagonX> Daisuke_Ido I tried that and get the following: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:40] <DagonX> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:40] <fisk0> ok, intelikey
[01:41] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | DagonX
[01:41] <ubotu> DagonX: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:41] <Biovore> ZhayTee: try a dmsg in a konsole so see if the kernel even sees it.. IF it dose then something is messed with hal or udev
[01:41] <ZhayTee> Yeah, the kernel sees it. And I can even mount it manually from the console.
[01:41] <fisk0> intelikey: that worked, it mounted fine and said nothing at all in the shell
[01:42] <intelikey> fisk0 ok i'm not sure what your error was then.   it's obviously something to do with the "automounting" processes of kde  (hal maybe)
[01:42] <DagonX> thanks
[01:43] <fisk0> intelikey: ok, thank you. I'll try loading gnome again, and see if it works there
[01:43] <intelikey> fisk0 the same can be done for any fs/partition   but note that you won't have write access without adding some args.    we can ammend your fstab to always mount your fat partitions if you like
[01:44] <Datalanche> In Konqueror, is there a way I can set it so that when I change view modes, the search bar on the right of the location bar doesn't go away? I don't see anything in the "Configure Toolbars" settings
[01:44] <tdn> Why can't anyone tell me how to add links to folders in the Quicklauncher? Haven't anyone tried this?
[01:45] <snowdonkey__> intelikey thanks for you help, I got it to work.  I had to install pppoe and run pppoeconf to configure modem access
[01:45] <fisk0> intelikey: yes, thank you, I remember editing the fstab several years ago when I tried Suse, but I don't remember anything of what I was supposed to enter
[01:46] <intelikey> fisk0 a line like this in /etc/fstab without the quotes "/dev/hda1 /media/hda1 vfat defaults,dmask=000,fmask=111 0 0"    for that particular partition.
[01:46] <intelikey> snowdonkey__ welcome.
[01:47] <Sanne> tdn: I didn't try it, but I would do it like this: create a launcher for konqueror, then add the folder path to the command so that it reads something like: konqueror /my/path/to/folder
[01:47] <fisk0> ok, intelikey, thank you
[01:48] <intelikey> fisk0 i should caution about ntfs while supported the software the needs to be used is still beta, so excessive use may be a bad idea,   see the infonodes from ubotu  !ntfs !ntfs-3g
[01:49] <intelikey> !ntfs
[01:49] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:49] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[01:49] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:49] <tdn> Sanne, hmm... Ok. But I don't think my grandma would be able to do that. This should be possible to do via the UI.
[01:49] <fisk0> ok intelikey, I got a ntfs partition, but there is nothing I need to access in linux on it, only the windows XP system files, every personal stuff is stored elsewhere (but I remember that gnome actually mounted it automatically too)
[01:49] <Sanne> tdn: then I don't know, sorry. And don't underestimate grandmas ;)
[01:50] <tdn> Sanne, hehe.
[01:50] <fisk0> intelikey: thank you a lot for your help
[01:50] <dinlinux_> hi, some know about DHT of ktorrent
[01:50] <intelikey> fisk0 ok. any time.
[01:50] <lameran> hi
[01:50] <lameran> I cna't install irssi
[01:50] <lameran> it tells me NO RESULST
[01:50] <lameran> wtf??!!
[01:50] <dinlinux_> hi, somebody know about DHT of ktorrent?
[01:50] <intelikey> apt-cache search irc
[01:51] <intelikey> @ lameran
[01:51] <lameran> ah thanks
[01:51] <intelikey> dinlinux_ sorry !i
[01:51] <Biovore> dinlinux_: give it a port.. and make sure its open to the outside.. it works if everything is setup..
[01:51] <lameran> intelikey: and then?
[01:52] <intelikey> lameran sudo apt-get install <the name selected from the list>
[01:52] <Sanne> tdn: hm, when you drag a path url from the konqueror location bar to the quick launch bar, it actually gives to options how I could add it. Did you try that?
[01:52] <lameran> got it
[01:52] <intelikey> !apt | lameran
[01:52] <ubotu> lameran: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[01:53] <tdn> Sanne, your approach with the link to konqi and command line args does not work. You cannot specify arguments for  apps in Quicklauncher.  Doing it now.
[01:54] <tdn> Sanne, it works like a charm. Thank you!
[01:54] <Biovore> dinlinux_: don't remember of the top of my head..  I don't use it that much.. I run a remote torrent system in a datacenter.. works better then on a homebased ISP.
[01:54] <Sanne> tdn: awesome :) you're welcome.
[01:54] <intelikey> !language | lameran body parts are kind of private and,
[01:54] <ubotu> lameran body parts are kind of private and,: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:55] <dinlinux_> biovore: ty
[01:55] <intelikey> LeeJunFan comming or going ?
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: heh, coming.
[01:56] <intelikey> good i'm on my way out and just looking for someone to hand the septor to on my way out.     (tag you're it)   :)
[01:57] <lameran> OMG I run command irssi and it's not showing up
[01:57] <chenox> hola
[01:57] <lameran> oh my bad
[01:57] <chenox> vaya irc con kubuntu
[01:57] <intelikey> have a great big day and a very healthy penguin.   and shalom be with you.
[01:58] <chenox> joooodddr
[01:58] <chenox> k pasada
[01:58] <chenox> alguien k hable espaol?
[01:58] <Sanne> !es | chenox
[01:58] <ubotu> chenox: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:01] <guille> hi
[02:01] <chenox> hola, como puedo acceder a canales espaoles?
[02:01] <guille> acceder caales espaoles de ubuntu?
[02:02] <Sanne> !es | chenox
[02:02] <ubotu> chenox: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:02] <chenox> sip
[02:02] <guille> Hay tienes la respuesta
[02:03] <chenox> gracias guille
[02:03] <Daskreech> Heeeellllooooo good people
[02:04] <guille> what was the name of the latest ati dirver for video card?
[02:06] <guille> mp3 for amarok?
[02:07] <LjL> tdn: browse to any folder in Konqueror, right click on a folder icon, click "Open With", select "Dolphin", and tick "Remember file association"
[02:07] <Daskreech> !mp3 | guille
[02:07] <ubotu> guille: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:11] <Datalanche> In Konqueror, is there a way I can set it so that when I change view modes, the search bar on the right of the location bar doesn't go away? I don't see anything in the "Configure Toolbars" settings
[02:13] <Daskreech> Datalanche: far as my knowledge takes me . No
[02:13] <Solarus> guys I am just going through the partitioning part of the install on 7.04
[02:14] <Solarus> I have XP installed on the first half of the disc and I don't want to mess it up
[02:14] <Solarus> which option should I choose?
[02:14] <fildo> manual
[02:14] <pawitp> Manual is safest
[02:15] <Solarus> do I only need 2 mounts? / and swap?
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> Solarus: at minimum, yes
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> but you probably want something in /media for your windows drive
[02:15] <Solarus> my storage will be on a seperate array so that is what I am after
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> but we'll worry about that later :)
[02:16] <Solarus> what is the suggested swap for a machine with 2gb mem?
[02:16] <Daskreech> Solarus: First time playing with Linux?
[02:16] <Solarus> nope
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> i would say 3gb
[02:16] <Solarus> first time on kubuntu
[02:16] <Daskreech> Solarus: anything bigger than 1 GB is probably wasted
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> i always heard 150% of ram
[02:16] <Solarus> I am a redhat/fedora guy usually
[02:16] <Solarus> me too for redhat
[02:16] <Daskreech> Daisuke_Ido: basically up to 1GB of RAM
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> but that may have changed with large amounts of ram :)
[02:17] <Solarus> 3gb was my guess
[02:17] <Solarus> yes I agree
[02:17] <Daskreech>  after that ... unless you are running databases
[02:17] <Solarus> I am actually
[02:17] <Solarus> runing my sql but not large ones really
[02:17] <Daskreech> Solarus: How many connections?
[02:17] <Solarus> just for managing my media..  photo's, movies etc etc
[02:17] <guille> mp3
[02:17] <Daskreech> !mp3
[02:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:17] <Solarus> minimal
[02:18] <Daskreech> Solarus: I think that 1GB should be ok
[02:18] <Solarus> thanks
[02:18] <pawitp> Solarus: 1GB should be enouh
[02:18] <Daskreech> most of that will sit in RAM
[02:22] <Solarus> will grub auto pickup my xp installation do you think?
[02:22] <SlimeyPete> it should do
[02:22] <Daskreech> Solarus: yeah
[02:22] <skarface> if you're installing ubuntu after windows, it should
[02:22] <Solarus> well it found my array too by the look of it :-)
[02:23] <Solarus> yes I have
[02:23] <Solarus> I am building a media pc for the lounge room with HD an what not
[02:24] <Solarus> I have installed both XP MCE and am installing this with linux mce on it in a bit
[02:24] <Solarus> hopefully this one is better but I will have both to be sure
[02:24] <Daskreech> Which?
[02:24] <Solarus> linux
[02:24] <Daskreech> Which mce?
[02:24] <Solarus> :-)
[02:25] <Solarus> Linuxmce
[02:25] <Daskreech> there are a dozen
[02:25] <Solarus> linuxmce.com
[02:25] <Daskreech> oh ok
[02:25] <Daskreech> Duh :)
[02:25] <Solarus> sorry
[02:25] <Solarus> the other reason I wanted xp on it is for occasional games of Fifa 07 on the big screen telly :-)
[02:26] <Daskreech> Whoot!
[02:26] <Solarus> there doesn't really seem to be that many emulators good enough yet for linux to run DirectX games
[02:26] <Daskreech> Cedega isn't bad
[02:27] <Solarus> I will check it out
[02:27] <Daskreech> not quite as good an emulator as Windows though :)
[02:27] <Solarus> lol
[02:27] <Solarus> If I can get my office products and what not over I may just keep windows for games :-)
[02:28] <timmay> anyone know an IAX program besides iaxcomm, kiax and gnophone
[02:28] <premier_> how much memory should kubuntu take? I have 2GB of ram plus 2GB of swap, linux currently uses 1.931GB of ram and 33MB of swap
[02:28] <Daskreech> !find iax
[02:28] <ubotu> Found: iaxcomm, iaxmodem, kiax, libiax-dev, libiax0 (and 1 others)
[02:28] <premier_> I have 143MB free
[02:28] <timmay> bah
[02:28] <timmay> was affraid of that
[02:28] <Daskreech> timmay: No? :-)
[02:29] <timmay> nope :(
[02:29] <Daskreech> timmay: do a search on google.com/linux
[02:29] <timmay> okie thanks
[02:29] <Daskreech> premier_: all of it
[02:29] <premier_> Daskreech: so, its using all the availibale space as cache or whatever?
[02:30] <Daskreech> premier_: yeah
[02:30] <pawitp> I have 1Gig of ram with no swap used
[02:30] <Daskreech> premier_: Didn't you buy the RAM to be used? :-)
[02:30] <premier_> Daskreech: what makes linux run smoothly?  I mean, how can I make sure that nothing is slowing it down?
[02:30] <premier_> Daskreech: I don't think my computer is running as fast as it should be
[02:31] <Daskreech> premier_:  It's not running smoothly?
[02:31] <premier_> umm... idk
[02:32] <premier_> Its a bit slowing in booting... by the time it gets to the desktop, it still grinds for a minute or two before its done loading all my stuff
[02:32] <Daskreech> premier_: ahh you have sessions on
[02:32] <Daskreech> If you like you can turn that off
[02:32] <BB22> any good torrent site for movies?
[02:33] <Daskreech> BB22: Wrong chan
[02:33] <BB22> Daskreech whats the right channel?
[02:33] <premier_> Daskreech: well, sort kinda... I don't have saved sessions, rather I saved a session a while ago that has a few primary applications... but the only heavy one there is amarok
[02:33] <premier_> oh, and kontact
[02:33] <Daskreech> BB22: not this one
[02:33] <Datalanche> BB22: deepdiscount.com
[02:33] <Datalanche> All the movies you'd ever want ;)
[02:34] <Daskreech> premier_: yeah they both run pretty deep databases
[02:36] <BB22> Datalanche not opening
[02:36] <premier_> hi, I'm trying to get beryl working... I stumped the guys at #beryl
[02:36] <Daskreech> !beryl
[02:36] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:37] <Solarus> I am getting so hacked off with vista
[02:37] <Daskreech> Solarus: great operating system
[02:38] <Daskreech> in about 2-3 years
[02:38] <premier_> Solarus: "hacked off"?
[02:38] <hendaus> !vcdgear
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vcdgear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <Daskreech> at which point it will be obviously outdated  :-(
[02:38] <hendaus> anyone helps me with vcdgear for kubuntu? thanx
[02:38] <Daskreech> hendaus: what's vcdgear?
[02:38] <Solarus> yeah
[02:38] <premier_> Daskreech: in 2-3, linux will be user freindly enough for most people to use... vista will be pretty useless by then
[02:39] <Daskreech> premier_: yeah yeah :) that's what they all say :)
[02:39] <hendaus> Daskreech:  vcdgear a convertor
[02:39] <Solarus> I am sure they run swearing monitors in here so hacked of is about as bad as I will get for now :-)
[02:39] <Daskreech> hendaus: from puppy dogs to kittens?
[02:39] <premier_> Solarus: actually, no, but you shouldn't swear
[02:39] <Daskreech> !language
[02:39] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:39] <Solarus> ll
[02:39] <Solarus> there we go! ;-)
[02:40] <Solarus> here we go on the reboot
[02:40] <Solarus> lets see if I get the option for xp
[02:40] <premier_> Daskreech: vcdgear allows you to convert from m/s to m/s^2
[02:40] <Daskreech> !info vcdgear
[02:40] <ubotu> Package vcdgear does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:41] <Daskreech> Might not have a ubuntu package
[02:41] <premier_> whats the conversion factor again?  1 m/s = 10.7 m/s^2
[02:41] <Daskreech> Check to see if there is a debian package
[02:41] <Solarus> yes I did
[02:41] <chip273> hello
[02:42] <chip273> any idea how I can get my soundcard settings right with an G732 notebook ?
[02:43] <Solarus> failed to boot
[02:43] <Solarus> something came up in the list as failed and it rebooted
[02:44] <Solarus> second time around however, it seems fine ??
[02:44] <Solarus> seems a bit weird?
[02:45] <Daskreech> !laptop
[02:45] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[02:46] <Daskreech> chip273: ^^^
[02:47] <chip273> Thx will look at there but my problem ist that I get choppy sound with any linux distro, was not like that prior to 2004 .. What has changed ?
[02:49] <Daskreech> chip273: Drivers maybe?
[02:50] <chip273> Yea, but how do I get it to work back. It's a general Problem I have with linux, no good guides, or they are way too outdated.
[02:50] <Daskreech> crimsun: hello?
[02:50] <crimsun> Daskreech: ?
[02:50] <pawitp> chip723: make sure you're not setting the sound at 8bit
[02:51] <Daskreech> crimsun: sorry to bother chip273 was having some issues with his sound. He says that it chops
[02:51] <chip273> Look, that's exactly my problem, I have no idea how to do that !
[02:51] <altg> hie all
[02:52] <altg> is there anybody inthere
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> just nod if you can hear me
[02:52] <crimsun> chip273: does ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'' in a Konsole "chop"?
[02:53] <chip273> crimsun : yep, asound any wav file does also chop
[02:53] <chip273> *aplay i mean.
[02:54] <crimsun> chip273: what about ``aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'' ?
[02:57] <chip273> crimsun: that makes a Device or resource busy.
[02:58] <chip273> crimsun : aplay: main:550 Error opening audiodevice : Device or resource busy . to be exact.
[02:58] <crimsun> chip273: so stop arts and all other audio apps before you try that command.
[02:59] <Whopper> How do I add this key: e verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[02:59] <iswm> Just got kubuntu installed on my thinkpad x60s, but knetworkmanager decided it wanted to stop showing me wireless networks... Anyone have an idea of what might be going on?
[03:00] <Daskreech> iswm: Did you turn wireless off?
[03:00] <chip273> crimsun: how do I stop arts ?
[03:00] <iswm> Daskreech, no, it's on
[03:01] <crimsun> chip273: use kcontrol or KDE System Settings
[03:01] <Daskreech> iswm: physically and in software?
[03:01] <trojjer> okay I've read the Wiki and it says that you shouldn't really upgrade from Ubu 6.06 to 7.04, without first going via 6.10... has anyone done it?
[03:01] <trojjer> (hi room)
[03:01] <Daskreech> trojjer: the wiki is right
[03:01] <iswm> Daskreech, yes
[03:01] <trojjer> damnit
[03:02] <trojjer> I've had the LTS CD sitting around for months
[03:02] <Daskreech> :-)
[03:02] <trojjer> only just decided to install
[03:02] <trojjer> recently
[03:02] <Daskreech> trojjer: alternate or Live?
[03:02] <trojjer> had to download tons of packages
[03:02] <trojjer> Ubuntu Live, Dapper
[03:02] <defcon> is there a script I can get to mount and set disks to automount in fstab?
[03:03] <trojjer> (I'm in #Kubuntu because it's my first time using Konversation, lol... I happen to be on GNOME, although I installed KDE and it's my default login)
[03:03] <Daskreech> trojjer: Probably faster to get the Feisty cd then :)
[03:04] <Daskreech> defcon: fstab is the script to get disks to automount
[03:04] <trojjer> (I'm trying to decide which one to use most, but so far none of them are much faster than the bloody Live CD, damnit... it was good that I finally got around to cleaning my old HD up, but I'm a Windows convert who got sick of reading up on GNU/Linux stuff without experiencing it much first hand)
[03:04] <chip273> crimsun: Now it works with -Dplughw:0 but it is still choppy although less choppy.
[03:04] <defcon> Daskreech, is there something that automates fstab because I dont understand it
[03:04] <crimsun> chip273: pastebin your `/proc/interrupts'
[03:05] <cntb> on kubuntu livedvd what would be the resue menu to correct grub install ?
[03:05] <trojjer> (Basic specs: Athlon XP 2000 w/512MB RAM, 40GB hard drive... the RAM usage is okay apart from Firefox, arghhh)
[03:05] <Daskreech> defcon: You can try alt+space -> system -> (press enter) -> Advanced -> Disks and file systems
[03:05] <cntb> on kubuntu livedvd what would be the rescue menu to correct grub install ? edgy and dapper used to have a resue line in menu
[03:06] <defcon> alt-space doesnt work Daskreech
[03:06] <cntb> on kubuntu livedvd what would be the rescue menu to correct grub install ? edgy and dapper used to have a rescue line in menu
[03:06] <Daskreech> !grub | cntb
[03:06] <ubotu> cntb: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:06] <Daskreech> defcon: in KDE?
[03:06] <trojjer> (I daresn't take XP off my laptop yet lol... might do a dualboot at some point though... it's the PC I use the most)
[03:06] <defcon> gnome
[03:06] <Daskreech> defcon: ah
[03:06] <defcon> whats the app I can run it
[03:06] <defcon> i have kde installed
[03:06] <Daskreech> defcon: umm not sure what the Gnome one is
[03:07] <Daskreech> defcon: SHouldn't they turn up in Natilus?
[03:07] <defcon> dont know
[03:07] <Daskreech> trojjer: I'm sorry what's the question?
[03:07] <cntb> Daskreech, tyvm but... those place teach to replace MBR.and this is not permissible with vista
[03:08] <trojjer> thanks for the offer
[03:08] <cntb> Daskreech, unless articles are updated to include vista dual boot solution
[03:08] <Daskreech> cntb: Hmm hold on
[03:09] <Daskreech> cntb: http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first
[03:09] <defcon> Daskreech, how do I get a drive uuid
[03:09] <defcon> ?
[03:09] <trojjer> firstly, why's both KDE and GNOME so slooow to respond? I have 512MB RAM, which isn't usually a problem apart from when I get overly ambitious with Firefox... processor usage is usually down too
[03:09] <trojjer> It seems that GNOME uses nearly twice as much idle RAM too, than KDE
[03:09] <Daskreech> defcon: I'm not sure I think that it's from the Label...
[03:10] <Daskreech> trojjer: Yeah KDE uses more RAM on startup but Gnome will rapidly race past that if you open a lot of apps or have firefox open for a good browsing session
[03:10] <chip273> crimsun: sorry for my speed, is on another machine : here http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/11317/
[03:11] <trojjer> oh, and can anyone help me with the Update Manager? It keeps telling me about updates that are available, but from the moment I login it tells me that another pack-man is running in the background
[03:11] <trojjer> (this applies for both GNOME and KDE)
[03:12] <Daskreech> !adept crash fix | trojjer
[03:12] <ubotu> trojjer: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:12] <trojjer> (ever since I downloaded a load of things in Synaptic, and let the Update Manager go ahead and fetch 200+ files...)
[03:12] <trojjer> (or MB whatever lol)
[03:12] <trojjer> ahh might be that
[03:12] <trojjer> which solution is more likely? ;)
[03:12] <trojjer> the manual unlock thing?
[03:12] <Daskreech> trojjer: yeah
[03:13] <trojjer> I could try the simple crash fix line?
[03:13] <trojjer> (btw is this fixed yet? You'd think the newer releases would improve on this...)
[03:14] <chip273> crimsun: You still there ?
[03:14] <trojjer> (I remember trying to cancel it because it was downloading so much at once, but it crashed at that point)
[03:14] <Daskreech> trojjer: crashes can happen and if they do the database gets locked
[03:14] <Daskreech> it'll happen
[03:14] <trojjer> gotcha
[03:14] <trojjer> so the easiet thing to try is your line?
[03:15] <trojjer> (no GUI solution?)
[03:15] <Daskreech> trojjer: It's the fastest solution :)
[03:15] <trojjer> (I'm not afraid of the terminal too much but it's quite daunting lol)
[03:15] <trojjer> hah
[03:16] <Daskreech> Why would  the terminal daunt you? :-)
[03:16] <trojjer> Alt+F2 should be okay? (Oh and is there anyway I can reduce the sheer amount of nagging I get for the password?   Once you get your basic setup done.. you'll rarely ever see the prompt again.
[03:18] <trojjer> I want to change the time in peace!
[03:18] <trojjer> hmm
[03:18] <trojjer> seriously?
[03:18] <fxch> Hello, everyone!
[03:18] <dogatemycomputer> trojjer: if you want to turn them off then do a google for visudo..
[03:18] <Daskreech> !langauge | trojjer
[03:18] <ubotu> trojjer: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:18] <trojjer> I got so sick of my pwd that I changed it to a weak 4 letter one, which needs changed pronto... although I added 2 numbers at the end, and it's a bit better
[03:18] <dogatemycomputer> !sudoers
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudoers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <dogatemycomputer> !visudo
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visudo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <Daskreech> heehee
[03:19] <pawitp> !sudo
[03:19] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:19] <trojjer> I know what sudo is
[03:19] <Daskreech> Solarus: that Looks like a fun ride i wanna get on :)
[03:20] <trojjer> but the nags for the pwd is annoying lol
[03:20] <kane> trojjer: everyone likes good passwords.
[03:20] <fxch> English?
[03:20] <Daskreech> fxch: yes
[03:21] <Daskreech> trojjer: how many other people have an account?
[03:21] <dogatemycomputer> trojjer:  basically.. if you are comfortable enough.. "sudo visudo" then add "trojjer ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" to the last line in the file.
[03:21] <Daskreech> dogatemycomputer: noooooo
[03:21] <dogatemycomputer> lol
[03:21] <dogatemycomputer> no? ;)
[03:21] <trojjer> ah yes, patents... I downloaded VLC, but I'm still on entirely up to date with the non-free codecs lol
[03:21] <Daskreech> dogatemycomputer: his account needs that :)
[03:21] <Daskreech> not all accounts
[03:21] <dogatemycomputer> hahahahaha
[03:21] <kane> i find it unfortunate VI was the app chose to edit the sudors program.
[03:21] <fildo> any here got a pcmcia pixelview tvtuner card working on kubuntu ?
[03:21] <Daskreech> dangerous dog :)
[03:21] <dogatemycomputer> hahahahah.. dangerous huh? ..
[03:21] <trojjer> fuck the patents, if I can't watch a video otherwise, or a LEGALLY PURCHASED DVD, I'll download them thanks
[03:21] <cntb> ok Daskreech easyBCD will be my solution but first I implanted an kubuntu on sda7 and need to do another grub install and an ubuntu.bin file , at least that is what I did in edgy and dapper what liveCD will let me do it supergrub fails edgy livecd fails dvd7.04 liveDVD has no rescue option and I need to chroot
[03:21] <Daskreech> kane: it's not nano is
[03:22] <dogatemycomputer> you know.. I had to learn the hard way too..
[03:22] <trojjer> just me
[03:22] <trojjer> trojjer
[03:22] <Daskreech> trojjer: just warned you about that
[03:22] <trojjer> lol
[03:22] <trojjer> ahhh
[03:22] <trojjer> sounds good
[03:22] <kane> huh, it sure is...
[03:23] <kane> must have been another distro that rocked vi.
[03:23] <dogatemycomputer> trojjer: if you add that to the last line, logout, then log back in.. you *shouldn't* see the prompt anymore.    Pay attention to any warnings you receive because once you screw up the file then alot of stuff stops working.
[03:23] <Daskreech> and i hope you have a live cd
[03:24] <kane> i actually normally set up the root account to have a password for just that sort of occassion.
[03:24] <Daskreech> trojjer: that's not what that line does
[03:24] <dogatemycomputer> trojjer: honestly though.. why would you ever want to use Windows?  LInux is harder to setup but once you understand how it works..  there is NOTHING you can't do in linux that you can't do better in Windows.  (with the exception of some video games)..
[03:24] <kane> or, atleast a password that i know.
[03:24] <chip273> Can anyone help e with this sound problem ?
[03:24] <fxch> ?
[03:24] <kane> dogatemycomputer: there are a couple apps on windows that ties people to it.
[03:24] <dogatemycomputer> kane: such as?
[03:25] <kane> photoshop
[03:25] <dogatemycomputer> kane: gimp
[03:25] <trojjer> realises*
[03:25] <Daskreech> I guess crimsun stepped out?
[03:25] <trojjer> lol pah sick of Photoshop
[03:25] <trojjer> I was okay with PSP
[03:25] <chip273> seems so .
[03:25] <soulrider> trojjer: linux is awesome
[03:25] <Daskreech> fxch: Yes?
[03:25] <trojjer> for whatever I wanted to do
[03:25] <kane> doesnt have proper cmyk support,
[03:25] <trojjer> GIMP seems good but I need to learn the menus
[03:25] <chip273> I still have choppy sound .
[03:25] <soulrider> trojjer: i agree witht he philosophy behind open source, but mostly, i want a fast stable system that just works!
[03:25] <dogatemycomputer> trojjer: plus.. would you meet such interesting and safety-concious people in a Windows forum? ;)  hahahahaha..
[03:26] <Daskreech> soulrider: mac :)
[03:26] <fxch> Can I talk anything about Edubuntu?
[03:26] <Daskreech> or amiga
[03:26] <trojjer> lol
[03:26] <soulrider> Daskreech: linux does the job for me
[03:26] <Daskreech> fxch: I would suspect so
[03:26] <soulrider> free, fast and stable
[03:26] <dogatemycomputer> trojjer: be patient..  as I said.. I was frustrated at first too but now I avoid windows like the plauge.  I like the feverish pace at which linux improves too.
[03:26] <soulrider> and the philosophy behinf open source is wonderful
[03:26] <kane> ive only had linux for a good few yers.
[03:26] <chip273> well IMHO linux is not stable .
[03:26] <soulrider> really?
[03:27] <kane> chip273: define "stable"
[03:27] <dogatemycomputer> chip273: define stable
[03:27] <dogatemycomputer> hahahhaa
[03:27] <chip273> nothing works .
[03:27] <kane> heh.
[03:27] <kane> thats not stable chip.
[03:27] <soulrider> my computer has been on for over 12 days now.. and its still working like charm
[03:27] <trojjer> I hate iPods, but MacOSX looks okay... too much eye candy I think though... I like the approach that GoboLinux has took, which uses symlinks to do something like an OSX dir-tree
[03:27] <chip273> ok then ist incompatible as ...
[03:27] <Daskreech> chip273: :-)
[03:27] <trojjer> lol
[03:27] <soulrider> trojjer: at first linux can be a bit different and at times frustrating, but youll start to love it in no time
[03:27] <kane> chip273: its a mixed bag, just like everyt thing else.
[03:28] <cntb> I get segmentation fault while trying to chroot
[03:28] <chip273> I'm on it for a week now and I can't get anything to work..
[03:28] <Daskreech> chip273: can You join #alsa ?
[03:28] <cntb> is my kubuntu gost image faulty ?
[03:28] <cntb> is my kubuntu ghost image faulty ?
[03:28] <trojjer> I'm trying to learn to love "GLinux", lol
[03:28] <kane> chip273: we are happy to help if you have any specific issue.
[03:28] <cntb> I get segmentation fault while trying to chroot
[03:28] <soulrider> trojjer: ive been using linux for a year, befire that i used DOS and windows for around 13 years
[03:28] <Daskreech> cntb: where are you chrooting to?
[03:28] <soulrider> i cant believe i didnt switch before
[03:29] <chip273> kane sound , network, wlan, ....
[03:29] <trojjer> 'k
[03:29] <trojjer> it's been crashing a bit oddly though
[03:29] <trojjer> and the general GNOME/KDE is quite sluggish at times
[03:29] <soulrider> trojjer: really? is it the kernel crashing or X ?
[03:29] <trojjer> sick of it killing Firefox without a warning too, damn RAM hog
[03:29] <trojjer> no panics AFAIK
[03:30] <trojjer> however, I get the odd random hang
[03:30] <trojjer> cursor not movign
[03:30] <trojjer> moving*
[03:30] <soulrider> trojjer: in a year of linux, i never got a kernel panic
[03:30] <soulrider> trojjer: tried ctrl alt backspace ?
[03:30] <trojjer> I think I can bring up a console with Alt+F1 but I'm not sure
[03:30] <Daskreech> chip273: well network seems to work you are talking to us :)
[03:30] <Daskreech> chip273: oh wait. .. different machine huh?
[03:30] <soulrider> ctrl alt f1
[03:30] <chip273> yep .
[03:30] <soulrider> Daskreech: LOL
[03:30] <pawitp> make sure you know ctrl alt f7
[03:31] <chip273> well network works if I do not puch the notebook around. at home it is fine . ..
[03:31] <Daskreech> you have a DHCP at home?
[03:31] <chip273> yes I do .
[03:32] <Daskreech> and DHCP elsewhere doesn't work?
[03:32] <kane> i'm sure he is talking about wireless.
[03:32] <Daskreech> ah
[03:32] <chip273> Wlan always hangs on 28 % and does not continue to connect.
[03:32] <kane> well wireless sucks.
[03:32] <Daskreech> Probably needs a key
[03:33] <Daskreech> I've almost never gotten it not to work
[03:33] <kane> or its  MAC filtered
[03:33] <Daskreech> But then I've only tried three times :(
[03:33] <chip273> as it is my network I think that I have the right key for WEP TKIP
[03:33] <kane> did it ever prompt for it?
[03:33] <Daskreech> are you using a passphrase or a key?
[03:34] <chip273> as for wired network I have DHCP at home but VPN anywhere else .
[03:34] <chip273> Is there a difference in WPAyou are talking about WEP .
[03:34] <Daskreech> WEP sorry
[03:34] <trojjer> hello again
[03:34] <chip273> well that are less problematic problems I first want my sound to work .
[03:35] <Daskreech> trojjer: it's alt+Ctrl+F1 and alt+Ctrl+F7 to get back GUI
[03:35] <Daskreech> trojjer: are you in Gnome?
[03:35] <trojjer> yes
[03:35] <Kewlie> Hello
[03:36] <trojjer> got KDE, trying to pick one lol
[03:36] <Daskreech> KDE!!! :)
[03:36] <kane> well my sound has always "just worked" and thats pretty normal, are you sure its not muted?
[03:37] <Kewlie> This maybe a very old question but I am still new to Linux in general, does the init 3 (shutdown xserver) command even work in Kubuntu? or am I doing something wrong?
[03:38] <Daskreech> kane: his sound works just gets choppy
[03:38] <kane> aaahhh
[03:38] <Daskreech> Kewlie: that's a RedHat thing
[03:38] <Daskreech> Kewlie: X is only shut down for init 1 in Debian
[03:38] <Daskreech> Kewlie: Why do you want X done?
[03:38] <Daskreech> Down?
[03:39] <Daskreech> !nvidia | trojjer
[03:39] <ubotu> trojjer: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:39] <Kewlie> to install nvidia drivers
[03:39] <trojjer> thanks for the tip about CTRL+ALT+F1-7, Dask, but I knew that already and C+A+Bk made the Panel exit
[03:39] <kane> chip273: open the control panel, go to the sound options and make sure that the checkbox to run with real time prority is selected
[03:39] <Kewlie> I cant find a documented alternative way
[03:39] <trojjer> so I have to do it myself? Thought so, as it's binary
[03:39] <trojjer> damnit they should hurry up and open source
[03:40] <trojjer> Java's done it ffs, now we're counting on Flash
[03:40] <trojjer> doubtful though
[03:40] <kane> Kewlie: if you can you should stick to the drivers that apt-get can install for you.
[03:40] <Daskreech> trojjer: try Alt+Ctrl+Esc :-)
[03:40] <trojjer> and C+A+Esc does?
[03:40] <Kewlie> I am just upset I paid 400+ dollars on Vista when this OS is better >_<
[03:40] <chip273> @kane : that did not help, as well as maxing out the buffers or min it out did not help.
[03:40] <Daskreech> Kewlie: What are you trying to do?
[03:40] <Kewlie> apt get? I'll look into that thx
[03:40] <knapp> I am trying to connect from one Kubuntu machine to another. I go to access the other and it asks for a user/pass. I have tried every combination I can think of. Where do I find this login info?
[03:41] <Kewlie> just install my video card
[03:41] <Daskreech> trojjer: open xkill :)
[03:41] <kane> chip273: try disabling the sound server all together.
[03:41] <knapp> I'm using samba
[03:41] <Daskreech> knapp: aaaahhhh
[03:41] <kane> sound should still works, prolly just one app at a time.
[03:41] <Daskreech> knapp: use sshd
[03:41] <kane> Kewlie: are you using nvidia?
[03:41] <Kewlie> I would like to use Beryl if my card would support it
[03:41] <Kewlie> yes
[03:41] <chip273> kane: still choppy tried that already.
[03:41] <Daskreech> Kewlie: What video card is it?
[03:41] <Daskreech> !nvidia | Kewlie
[03:41] <ubotu> Kewlie: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:41] <trojjer> ah yes, the pirate thing
[03:41] <kane> its just apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:41] <trojjer> Arrrrr
[03:42] <Kewlie> pcix geforce 7300 gt
[03:42] <Daskreech> !ssh
[03:42] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[03:42] <trojjer> hah it won't work in GNOME
[03:42] <Kewlie> thats it?
[03:42] <trojjer> remember using it in KDE
[03:42] <Daskreech> Kewlie: and you can ask for beryl help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:42] <Kewlie> thx
[03:42] <kane> chip273: intresting, does it do it in all apps?
[03:42] <Kewlie> apt-get install nvidia-glx, lol that's it?
[03:42] <Kewlie> doh
[03:42] <Daskreech> Kewlie: and if you are in KDE get ready for kwin in KDE4
[03:42] <Daskreech> It's going to be sweet
[03:43] <kane> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:43] <kane> should do it.
[03:43] <Kewlie> gotcha
[03:43] <Daskreech> knapp: install ssh
[03:43] <kane> downloads it and installs it.
[03:43] <kane> dont even have to reboot, just logout and back in.
[03:43] <trojjer> hah, Konq's my default browser in GNOME even... I was using Firefox before
[03:43] <Kewlie> alt/ctrl backspace?
[03:43] <chip273> kane: trying aplay from the console mainly, with different sound files .
[03:43] <kane> uhg, i hate konqi as a browser
[03:44] <trojjer> (is Firefox 2 "supported" yet?)
[03:44] <trojjer> (sick of 1.5)
[03:44] <dogatemycomputer> sudo apt-get install firefox :)
[03:44] <Daskreech> trojjer: yes just not in LTS
[03:44] <Kewlie> brb I am going to install this bad boy
[03:44] <Daskreech> trojjer:  and it eats more memory
[03:44] <kane> chip273: try using something like amarok.
[03:44] <Daskreech> dogatemycomputer: he's in LTS
[03:45] <Daskreech> !opera
[03:45] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked.   Which is unfortunate.
[03:47] <Kewlie> what would this error mean? Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:47] <Daskreech> chip273: are you still getting help in #alsa ?
[03:47] <FireHazard17> and that was once mostly its about 5 tabs open a once
[03:47] <chip273> trying to .
[03:47] <kane> chip273: yes that might be the best place, sorry buddy.
[03:47] <Daskreech> kane: you may want to concentrate on getting his networking up :)
[03:47] <trojjer> that's the trouble with certain open source progs... at least it's usually only the userspace stuff that crashes eh? And only if it's a daily build or something... it seems
[03:47] <trojjer> then again I'm on LTS and I get annoyed when things just hang
[03:47] <trojjer> lol
[03:48] <kane> Daskreech: said he didnt care about that : )
[03:48] <trojjer> seriously, I start middle clicking links and it rises to over 100 easily
[03:48] <Daskreech> ha
[03:48] <trojjer> I never get to read them all
[03:48] <trojjer> a fresh start is nice sometimes
[03:48] <Daskreech> well he said nothing worked I'm guessing there must be something else we can help with
[03:48] <kane> i never get that many, but a i get a good bit.
[03:49] <kane> i presume, i just hate to see people run back to windows and say "linux sucks" when its really a hardware issue.
[03:49] <trojjer> yeah
[03:49] <trojjer> bet you do
[03:49] <kane> i mean it is a linux issue as well.
[03:49] <trojjer> I'm trying to keep an open mind
[03:49] <kane> sound and networking normally "just work"
[03:50] <Daskreech> yeah having some driver help would be nice
[03:50] <Daskreech> Course Linux does work on most hardware which is more than I can say about Vista
[03:50] <kane> well its just that all those drivers pretty much come built into the kernal.
[03:50] <trojjer> I hope it's gonna be simple to actually start using my separate /home partition, btw... I only set aside 5GB for /root and it's filling up with all the packages etc by default... nothing in /home damnit, which is 10GB
[03:50] <kane> so if you want to install newer ones, its often a "build a kernel module" deal.
[03:51] <kane> trojjer: it should be very simple.
[03:51] <kane> trojjer: just save all your movies/music/whatever on /home.
[03:51] <knapp> daskreech can you give me an example of how to use ssh to connect to a lan computer?
[03:51] <FireHazard17> trojjer: get a newer computer!
[03:52] <kane> trojjer: just dont turn it off.
[03:52] <Daskreech> knapp: want a purty GUI way or the nice fast CLI way? :)
[03:52] <trojjer> lol
[03:52] <kane> he wants the CLI way, you gotta deal with the command line anyway if you are sshing into something.
[03:52] <trojjer> first off
[03:52] <knapp> cli plz
[03:52] <Daskreech> CLI way is ssh user@computerorip
[03:52] <FireHazard17> yet your on irc
[03:53] <Daskreech> trojjer:  you can tweak that sucker out :0
[03:53] <Daskreech> kane: no you don't
[03:53] <Daskreech> knapp: the user is on the remote computer
[03:53] <FireHazard17> trojjer: not bad i dont see why its so slow
[03:54] <knapp> name or service not known
[03:54] <kane> Daskreech: pretty much you do.  Unless you like X-foward or something but really.
[03:54] <kane> ssh is designed to be on the CLI
[03:54] <dwbell> trojjer: if you have intigrated graphics that might be a little low on the ram.
[03:54] <knapp> nevermind
[03:54] <Daskreech> knapp: which computer did you install ssh on?
[03:54] <knapp> I got it
[03:54] <kane> secure SHELL
[03:54] <Daskreech> kane: learn about fish
[03:54] <knapp> daskreech can I transfer files using this?
[03:55] <trojjer> nope, Geforce 4 MX440l, 64MB VRAM
[03:55] <Daskreech> knapp: sure
[03:55] <kane> fish is more like SFTP than ssh really
[03:55] <Daskreech> if you press ctrl-d to logout
[03:55] <dwbell> trojjer: I have a 1.83 Ghz athlon with 1 gb of ram and It's under 40 sec to login screen.
[03:55] <trojjer> need binary drivers
[03:55] <Daskreech> you can scp a file or sftp one
[03:55] <Daskreech> sftp works just like ftp
[03:55] <fisk0> is there any way to disable those giant tooltips which you get when hovering over icons on the main panel? I've tried disabling tooltips, but that didn't do anything
[03:55] <knapp> how do I do that?
[03:55] <Daskreech> shouldn't be hard to figure out
[03:55] <knapp> hrm
[03:55] <Daskreech> scp works like this
[03:55] <trojjer> lol maybe mine is "under 40s" too, I'm just forgetting what this old beast is like compared to my P4 3.06GHz laptop w/1GB
[03:56] <Daskreech> scp sourcefile targettocopyto
[03:56] <Daskreech> knapp: one of those is remote
[03:56] <Daskreech> knapp: does that make sense?
[03:56] <kane> fisk0: you right click on the taskbar configure taskbar...
[03:56] <FireHazard17> i have a 2.6 with a gig of ram and a nvidia geforce 7600 GS OC with 512 Mb of vram
[03:56] <kane> configure panel i mean
[03:56] <Daskreech> fisk0: Yeah I forget how:( it's in the panel config
[03:56] <trojjer> wow lol
[03:56] <kane> its under apperence.
[03:57] <FireHazard17> wow lol what?
[03:57] <Daskreech> knapp: does what I just said make sense ?
[03:57] <trojjer> Fire: you one of those users with the HUUUUGE resolution screenshots? Damn
[03:57] <FireHazard17> nope 1024x768
[03:57] <trojjer> lol
[03:57] <knapp> daskreech so its<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[03:57] <trojjer> I'm on 1280 because Ubuntu set it as default
[03:57] <FireHazard17> its all my cheap lcd supports
[03:57] <FireHazard17> couldnt go higher if i tried
[03:57] <trojjer> I've only briefly used 1280 with Windows on this desktop
[03:57] <Daskreech> knapp: ok the remote server is user@host:path/to/file
[03:58] <trojjer> all the fonts are tiny now though by default grrr
[03:58] <Daskreech> knapp: notice the colon that's important
[03:58] <fisk0> kane: I've been through the whole "Configure panel" window, can't find it anywhere
[03:58] <Daskreech> knapp: if you put nothing after the colon it means ~
[03:58] <premier_> hello, this is a beryl problem but the beryl guys couldn't fix it... basically, beryl won't start unless I kill kdesktop... It keeps complaining about a window manager already running on my screen
[03:58] <Daskreech> hi premier_
[03:58] <premier_> Daskreech: that was fast
[03:58] <kane> fisk0: its the "enable mouse over effects"
[03:58] <Daskreech> premier_: beryl --replace
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> WOO!
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> i mean
[03:58] <premier_> do you have a macro or something
[03:58] <fisk0> ahh
[03:58] <premier_> Daskreech: that didn't work
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> *ahem* this is quite lovely
[03:59] <knapp> daskreech ok I think I can handle it from here, thanks dood
[03:59] <fisk0> kane: thank you, I thought that was the icon highlight thing
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> finally, amarok has mtp support
[03:59] <kane> fisk0: yeah its a dumb name
[03:59] <premier_> trojjer: a 17" laptop with less that 1280x1024?  thats painful
[03:59] <Daskreech> knapp: so scp MyResume<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would put it on a useful person's home folder
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i suppose it's had it for a while, but the default that ships with kubuntu has it now
[03:59] <kane> premier_:
[03:59] <kane> er
[03:59] <kane> premier_: you want the berly --replace
[03:59] <kane> that should do it.
[03:59] <trojjer> yeah
[03:59] <fisk0> great, no more urge to commit suicide when I have to do anything in the KDE menu :)
[04:00] <Daskreech> knapp: for future you can type fish://user@host in konqui's bar to do it as a GUI
[04:00] <FireHazard17> i want to get a geforce 8800 ultra OC
[04:00] <trojjer> stupid Toshiba Satellite A60 from 2004
[04:00] <knapp> fish?
[04:00] <FireHazard17> OC means overclocked
[04:00] <Daskreech> knapp: yeah. Try it once for giggle
[04:00] <trojjer> wish my dad had spent 1000 on a desktop, maybe, or another laptop
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> FireHazard17: and what's the purpose of that in a linux system?
[04:00] <FireHazard17> but they are aboot 995 usd
[04:00] <FireHazard17> i dual boot
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[04:00] <kane> Daisuke_Ido: linux users play games.
[04:00] <kane> under linux even.
[04:01] <trojjer> lol
[04:01] <Daskreech> !gmaes
[04:01] <trojjer> indeed
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gmaes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <Daskreech> !Wow
[04:01] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[04:01] <trojjer> a few
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> kane: show me one game under linux that requires that much power.
[04:01] <Daskreech> trojjer: Loads
[04:01] <trojjer> lol loads of free ones
[04:01] <FireHazard17> loads
[04:01] <fisk0> I just got a strange bug, when I enable "menu shadows" there are double shadows, when I disable it there is still one shadow (as I would expect from "enable menu shadows")
[04:01] <FireHazard17> indeed
[04:01] <trojjer> a few commercial ones :)
[04:01] <premier_> kane: I already said, beryl --replace didn't work... it still complained about "another window manager"
[04:01] <Daskreech> Daisuke_Ido: UT2007
[04:01] <FireHazard17> and you can use wine
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> that requires an 8800 OC?
[04:01] <kane> Daisuke_Ido: not fair, there are none on windows that requires that much power
[04:01] <FireHazard17> 8800 ultra
[04:02] <kane> ut2007 doesnt exsist yet.
[04:02] <Daskreech> Daisuke_Ido: No game requires that
[04:02] <knapp> daskreech No hostname specified.
[04:02] <trojjer> doesn't Wine still involve a performance hit for games?
[04:02] <FireHazard17> thats why you need the card
[04:02] <Daskreech> Daisuke_Ido: they wouldn't sell a copy
[04:02] <trojjer> I doubt my 512MB RAM would suffice these days
[04:02] <kane> trojjer: some, its getting better.
[04:02] <FireHazard17> :0
[04:02] <Daskreech> kane: :-p
[04:02] <trojjer> yeah
[04:02] <trojjer> a bit
[04:02] <Daskreech> kane: it will work on Linux on day one though
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> trojjer: actually in some cases games will perform better under wine than under real windows
[04:02] <Daskreech> native even
[04:02] <Daskreech>  /me runs UT2004
[04:02] <kane> me toooo
[04:02] <trojjer> wtf, really?
[04:02] <trojjer> Wine  "better"?
[04:02] <trojjer> lol
[04:03] <Daskreech> knapp: where is that?
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> kind of scary, eh?
[04:03] <kane> trojjer: its true.
[04:03] <FireHazard17> yeah some
[04:03] <FireHazard17> windows is that flawed
[04:03] <Kewlie> heh
[04:03] <trojjer> maybe it's a similar, but different, thing to XP being better on new Macs under BootCamp lol
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still happy with my 7600 :D
[04:03] <Daskreech> Daisuke_Ido: better some games won't work under Windows but they do under Wine :)
[04:03] <FireHazard17> most all is better than vista
[04:03] <kane> trojjer: check the benchmarks, wine performs certian opertations faster than windows does.
[04:03] <FireHazard17> vista is horrible for gaming
[04:03] <trojjer> any ops from the top of your head?
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> FireHazard17: OS/2 is better than vista :D
[04:04] <Daskreech> FireHazard17: it's horrible for anything but it's going to get better
[04:04] <trojjer> yeah I know, it must suck with all the DRM stuff
[04:04] <trojjer> does it really check every 30 frames or something?
[04:04] <premier_> trojjer: if you want to play a game, just try it and see... or go to the wine APP DB
[04:04] <Daskreech> trojjer: Not really DRm just security so far
[04:04] <Daskreech> it's annoying
[04:04] <FireHazard17> havent used vista yet
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> you are trying to rocketjump.  Cancel or Allow?
[04:04] <kane> when i played WoW it performed better under cedega than windows
[04:04] <Daskreech> Daisuke_Ido: ha ha :)
[04:04] <trojjer> me neither really, sick of the "WOW" hype
[04:04] <knapp> daskreech An error occurred while loading fish:\\<IP_ADDRESS>: No hostname specified.
[04:04] <knapp> daskreech that's all I see
[04:05] <Daskreech> knapp: give it a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:05] <knapp> I did
[04:05] <knapp> same
[04:05] <Daskreech> really?
[04:05] <Daskreech> hmm
[04:05] <trojjer> lol I wouldn't pay for Cedega... I didn't even pay for my XP Pro disc... ;) Regretted wiping the OEM installation of Home on the laptop though, now I'm in Windows Genuine Annoyance hell
[04:05] <Daskreech> knapp: Duh!
[04:05] <Daskreech> knapp: wrong slashes
[04:05] <trojjer> can't install the new MSI so I can install things such as the new Opera
[04:06] <trojjer> damn SM
[04:06] <trojjer> MS*
[04:06] <kane> trojjer: i dont mind helping out "Free" software when i can.
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> just installed the latest opera available today
[04:06] <trojjer> at least I have a legit CD should I want to use it
[04:06] <trojjer> well, recovery DVD
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> linux = love
[04:06] <Kansi> hey... I can't get the mode "superuser" when I wanna change theme in the KDM Theme Manager ?
[04:06] <Kansi> how can I be "superuser"
[04:06] <trojjer> (I mean the stupid "WOW Starts Now" crap, now WoW... although I don't like World of Warcraft that much lol)
[04:07] <FireHazard17> ask your admin
[04:07] <FireHazard17> :P
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i have two legit copies of XP, one 32 and one 64.  i haven't used them in several months :D
[04:07] <Daskreech> Kansi: You clicked the Adminstrator mode utton in the bottom right corner ?
[04:07] <trojjer> help out WINE by donating directly to them, maybe? :P
[04:07] <knapp> daskreech you mean \\ instead of //?
[04:07] <Kansi> Daskreech:  there is noo Administrator mode
[04:07] <Daskreech> knapp: yeah
[04:07] <FireHazard17> i hate when it tells you to ask your admin im my fuckin admin
[04:07] <knapp> same error :(
[04:07] <Daskreech> !language | FireHazard17
[04:07] <ubotu> FireHazard17: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:07] <FireHazard17> stop telling my to ask myself
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> no, in system settings there is no administrator mode
[04:08] <Daskreech> knapp: ???
[04:08] <FireHazard17> sorry
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> this is a known bug
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> access it through kcontrol instead
[04:08] <Daskreech> knapp: let me see the address you are putting in
[04:08] <knapp> An error occurred while loading fish:\\todd%40<IP_ADDRESS>:
[04:08] <Kansi> Daisuke_Ido: thanks
[04:08] <trojjer> the whole separation of user privileges seems like a good idea, but as I said, the nags get tiresome...
[04:08] <FireHazard17> also the doesnt start now it started a year or two ago when beryl came out
[04:09] <Daskreech> knapp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:09] <Daskreech> knapp: click that
[04:09] <trojjer> does Visudo bypass the nags without "opening backdoors"?
[04:09] <knapp> wtf, thats exactly how I was typing it the first time
[04:09] <knapp> lol
[04:09] <Daskreech> trojjer: it stops nags but if someone walks up to your machine they can do what ever they like
[04:09] <cntb> \o guys
[04:09] <trojjer> or does it make the PC a bit more vulnerable somehow? Progs have their own runlevels?
[04:10] <Daskreech> knapp: obviously it wasn't :)
[04:10] <trojjer> lol it's in my bedroom
[04:10] <trojjer> I don't care
[04:10] <trojjer> more worried about remote attacks... well, not really
[04:10] <knapp> :O
[04:10] <Daskreech> trojjer: fine add in the line kane gave you
[04:10] <knapp> thanks man
[04:10] <cntb> guys how can I use dvdkubuntu as a source for apt-get?
[04:10] <Daskreech> knapp: yeah Enjoy
[04:10] <kane> i didnt give anyone anylines.
[04:10] <Daskreech> cntb: live?
[04:10] <kane> i said it make a better password : )
[04:10] <trojjer> I have a Linux PC now, and a Linksys WRT54G router with OpenWRT firmware... so double Linux firmware seal
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> rockbox is still not ready for primetime (on the sansa e200 line)
[04:10] <trojjer> I mean Linux firewall*
[04:11] <Daskreech> !commercial
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:11] <trojjer> oh btw, about firewalls
[04:11] <FireHazard17> !opensource
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opensource - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:11] <kane> trojjer: really though if you have a bad password atleast make sure you dont have an SSH server running.
[04:12] <trojjer> I tried forwarding the listening port on BitComet under Windows
[04:12] <FireHazard17> im a chef and i use opensauce
[04:12] <FireHazard17> its free
[04:12] <trojjer> so that I could download faster
[04:12] <FireHazard17> it comes out the trash
[04:12] <trojjer> do I need to keep using the webadmin page to enable/disable the listening rule?
[04:12] <trojjer> my pwd's okay
[04:12] <trojjer> about medium
[04:13] <trojjer> not dictionary, two numbers
[04:13] <Daskreech> !info opensauce
[04:13] <ubotu> Package opensauce does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:13] <Daskreech> trojjer: so about 10 minutes to get cracked then? :-)
[04:13] <kane> should be cool then. prolly dont have an ssh server running anyways.  i know mine gets slammed everyday
[04:13] <trojjer> lol
[04:13] <trojjer> ffs
[04:14] <trojjer> I did make a "strong" one according to KDE
[04:14] <trojjer> but it seemed like overkill
[04:14] <FireHazard17> like ab125DCAasd234
[04:14] <Daskreech> trojjer: yeah it always does till after you get hacked :)
[04:14] <Daskreech> like A1b2c3
[04:14] <Daskreech> Go spaceballs!
[04:14] <trojjer> then again, I made sure to use special chars etc in my ebanking pwd
[04:15] <kane> as long as you are not running in a networked envrionment, and you dont have a way to log on to your computer remotly then it doesnt make a whole lot of difference.
[04:15] <Daskreech> trojjer: ha ha :)
[04:15] <Daskreech> ask Visa :)
[04:15] <Kansi> Daisuke_Ido: I can't find Kcontrol !!!
[04:15] <Daskreech> Kansi: press Alt+F2
[04:15] <kane> trojjer: i could show you my auth log and you can see people trying to brute force it.
[04:15] <Daskreech> Kansi: type kcontrol
[04:15] <Daskreech> You should be ok
[04:15] <trojjer> lol
[04:15] <trojjer> do you see the actual password attempts?
[04:15] <carutsu> have anyone had speed problems for the downloads/uploads? should i forward any ports? if so, wich ones?
[04:16] <Daskreech> trojjer: about 500 a hour
[04:16] <Kansi> ok !!
[04:16] <Kansi> thanks
[04:16] <trojjer> yikes
[04:16] <trojjer> five hundred???
[04:16] <Daskreech> Kansi: Welcome!
[04:16] <kane> no, you can enable it somehow, im not sure how though.
[04:16] <trojjer> the Internet's mad
[04:16] <trojjer> I remember reading about a honeytrap Windows box
[04:16] <kane> i installled an application to add an ip to deny.hosts after a few attempts
[04:16] <kane> so that helps
[04:16] <trojjer> on the BBC website
[04:16] <FireHazard17> i have run windows unprotect with out a router or fire wall et had nothing happen
[04:17] <trojjer> me too actually
[04:17] <trojjer> nothing seemed to happen anyway lol
[04:17] <trojjer> I was a bit scared
[04:17] <kane> FireHazard17: i ran a windows laptop and it was trashed after about an hour.
[04:17] <trojjer> but I was mostly patched up
[04:17] <FireHazard17> lol
[04:17] <kane> without a firewall or anthing.
[04:17] <trojjer> weird
[04:17] <kane> just a default install.
[04:17] <Daskreech> trojjer: yeah patches help a lot :)
[04:17] <FireHazard17> yeah mine was patched too
[04:17] <trojjer> never happened to me, no spyware really since I started using Firefox and Spybot etc
[04:18] <FireHazard17> i use fedora core
[04:18] <trojjer> lol with the stupid pirated SP2 CD that I used, because I thought "pro" was better
[04:18] <trojjer> I got the Blaster worm
[04:18] <trojjer> every install
[04:18] <FireHazard17> no no i dont
[04:18] <trojjer> so I had to keep the firewall up, download the hotfix etfc
[04:18] <trojjer> etc*
[04:18] <trojjer> shut WinMessenger the hell down!
[04:19] <trojjer> okay
[04:19] <Daskreech> well in anycase I'm kicking you all to OT
[04:19] <Daskreech> !OT
[04:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:19] <trojjer> how do I get the bloody Panel up?
[04:19] <trojjer> all I've got now is the plain desktop
[04:19] <trojjer> nothing
[04:19] <Daskreech> thanks for playing :-) Good night
[04:19] <trojjer> no run dialogue or anything
[04:19] <trojjer> night Dask
[04:19] <Daskreech> trojjer: can you alt+F2 ?
[04:19] <trojjer> yes I get terminals
[04:19] <trojjer> or consoles
[04:19] <Daskreech> trojjer: kiccker
[04:19] <trojjer> but no Alt+F2
[04:19] <Daskreech> trojjer: kicker
[04:19] <trojjer> is what I mean
[04:19] <trojjer> no Kicker, and I'm in GNOME lol
[04:20] <trojjer> is there an equiv?
[04:20] <Daskreech> Right >_<
[04:20] <Daskreech> natilus I think
[04:20] <trojjer> I might as well just go the hell back to KDE
[04:20] <trojjer> and see how long it lasts this time
[04:20] <trojjer> there must be something causing the general GUI sluggishness
[04:20] <trojjer> as I said, effects off
[04:21] <Daskreech> hi nikkiana
[04:21] <trojjer> (is there an easy way to send a running prog from GNOME to KDE? I'm running Konversation, so it might work right? KDE app)
[04:21] <Jack3> is there an ubuntnu espanol channel
[04:22] <trojjer> (lol if only you could toggle environments like workstations)
[04:22] <Nuked> what plugin do I have to install to get amarok to play mp3 streams
[04:22] <Nuked> ?
[04:22] <Daskreech> trojjer: eh?
[04:22] <Daskreech> !es | Jack3
[04:22] <ubotu> Jack3: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:22] <trojjer> Amarok should ask you if you want them?
[04:22] <otaku-san> hey all...ok I know how I can put Firefox in root..and have it update..but will it stay there?  So it will automatically update without me?
[04:23] <Daskreech> trojjer: and you can
[04:23] <Daskreech> !mp3 | Nuked
[04:23] <ubotu> Nuked: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:23] <trojjer> it prompted me with the option to get restricted codecs, but because of the Adept/Synaptic crashing I couldn't download packages
[04:23] <Daskreech> otaku-san: you will get frefox updates the same way you get all other updates so yes it will be automatic
[04:24] <trojjer> otaku, don't run a browser in root
[04:24] <trojjer> right? ;)
[04:24] <trojjer> lol
[04:24] <Daskreech> that too
[04:24] <trojjer> I'm tempted to just login in root... well, I would be, if Ubuntu let me do that lol
[04:24] <Daskreech> !root
[04:24] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:24] <trojjer> you can use the Launcher
[04:25] <otaku-san> Daskreech, trojjer: ok...thanks guys
[04:25] <trojjer> but best not to with a browser?
[04:25] <otaku-san> the Launcher?
[04:25] <Nuked> Daskreech, I have all of that installed but amarok seems to be using the xine backend... is this perhaps the problem?
[04:25] <otaku-san> ....hey anyone with the latest build of Kubuntu?
[04:25] <trojjer> !Launcher
[04:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about launcher - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:25] <Daskreech> Nuked: ha ha did you read the page?
[04:25] <Daskreech> Nuked: in short install libxine-extracodecs
[04:26] <Nuked> daskreech I installed that
[04:26] <Daskreech> Nuked: and closed adept and reopened it ?
[04:26] <Nuked> yes
[04:26] <Daskreech> Nuked: what is it doing ?
[04:26] <Nuked> and I dont use adept
[04:26] <Daskreech> What did you use ?
[04:26] <Nuked> it just claims it cannot decode the stream
[04:26] <Nuked> apt-get
[04:26] <Daskreech> Nuked: ah that
[04:26] <Daskreech> Nuked: just double click it again
[04:27] <Daskreech> it's moody today
[04:27] <Daskreech> Hobbsee!!
[04:27] <trojjer> (so how do I send Konv over to KDE so I can logout of my GNOME session?)
[04:28] <Daskreech> trojjer: Oh I don't know about sending them over but you can run both DE's at the same time
[04:28] <otaku-san> just checking...because..Fedora 7 just came out..and they have this sweet boot screen...I mean..it's hot looking (in my opinion..it's simple..but cool) and we still have the black screen of olden days (no bashing ya'll who like it that way) I just like it crisp and all
[04:28] <Daskreech> if you just close Konv and open it back your history will be there
[04:28] <Daskreech> in the KDE session
[04:28] <Nuked> Daskreech, thats extremely weird
[04:28] <FireHazard17> Daskreech: how can yo run two wm at once?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hi Daskreech!
[04:29] <Daskreech> otaku-san: you have no boot splash?
[04:29] <Daskreech> Nuked: yeah tell me about it
[04:29] <Daskreech> FireHazard17: open one up on a new terminal
[04:29] <trojjer> lol I just minimised Konversation, only to remember that the Panels have disappeared... had to relaunch it; thankfully it stayed connected even though it had no panel to go to, somehow
[04:29] <FireHazard17> oh...
[04:29] <Daskreech> we have three running on that machine <--------- over there
[04:29] <Nuked> Daskreech, it works
[04:30] <trojjer> lol
[04:30] <Daskreech> Nuked: I figured it would
[04:30] <trojjer> lot of RAM to hog though
[04:30] <trojjer> both KDE and GNOME at the same time
[04:30] <trojjer> I'm thinking of trying Xubuntu, but I don't think that my PC is *that* slow lol
[04:30] <Daskreech> trojjer: yeah we reboot that machine lots though
[04:30] <trojjer> might feel snappier though
[04:31] <trojjer> I want some eye candy, what about IceWM? Then again I want one of the two "big ones"...
[04:31] <trojjer> really
[04:31] <otaku-san> Daskreech: I don't have something that makes the booting look good..no...I have a different screen for the KDM login..and the KDE splash screen..but no boot splash
[04:31] <trojjer> most compatibility
[04:31] <Daskreech> otaku-san: well if it comforts you ... you should
[04:31] <FireHazard17> !hi
[04:31] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:32] <Daskreech> trojjer: Whats this about compatibilty ?
[04:32] <otaku-san> HAHA ya...you are right Daskreech ....comforts me?  No..just looks sleek
[04:32] <otaku-san> Daskreech: just to lazy man....and I barely have time now like I did to make my linux box as cool as I would like
[04:33] <Daskreech> trojjer: good job :)
[04:33] <FireHazard17> trojjer: at the cost of your soul?
[04:33] <trojjer> lol
[04:33] <Minataku> I use XDM
[04:33] <Daskreech> otaku-san: well then do work on it till it makes you enough money where you can take the time off to make it secsy :)
[04:33] <Minataku> Very plain, very Unix
[04:33] <Minataku> :3
[04:33] <Daskreech> trojjer: Yeah you can do that pretty easy
[04:34] <jacques> is ubuntu.org down?
[04:34] <otaku-san> Daskreech: haha there you go
[04:34] <FireHazard17> trojjer: i mean compatibility yeah...compatability...
[04:34] <FireHazard17> SOUL!!!!!
[04:34] <Daskreech> Minataku: ugly as sin and twice as functional I like it
[04:34] <FireHazard17> i mean *cough*
[04:34] <trojjer> I heard that Xubuntu isn't as "user-friendly" as K or G?
[04:34] <Daskreech> jacques: don't think so. Why?
[04:34] <Minataku> Daskreech: Ugly nothing
[04:34] <titanix88> trojjer: it is,
[04:34] <trojjer> lol I hate the early '90s look of NextSTEP
[04:35] <Daskreech> trojjer: Umm Sure . Why not? :)
[04:35] <trojjer> dunno about XDM
[04:35] <Minataku> I love the look of Motif
[04:35] <Minataku> Absolutely beautiful
[04:35] <titanix88> trojjer: not the look really, it's pretty nice to look at.
[04:35] <Daskreech> hi claydoh
[04:36] <jacques> I can not connect to it
[04:36] <Daskreech> Minataku: I should show you CDE :)
[04:36] <trojjer> maybe it's more modern now lol? The screenshots on the website made it look outdated, wonder what the themes are like
[04:36] <Daskreech> jacques: the website?
[04:36] <trojjer> the KDE/GNOME themes that resemble Motif etc are old-looking
[04:36] <Minataku> Daskreech: Use it on all my Solaris boxes
[04:36] <titanix88> trojjer: but i miss std features like right click context menu on desktop.:(
[04:36] <jacques> yes
[04:36] <claydoh> hello Daskreech
[04:36] <FireHazard17> solaris>
[04:36] <Minataku> OpenWindows sucks, GNOME _really_ sucks
[04:36] <Daskreech> Minataku: and it all comes together :)
[04:36] <FireHazard17> solaris?
[04:37] <Minataku> CDE is very nice
[04:37] <Daskreech> jacques: try http://www.ubuntu.com
[04:37] <Minataku> Behind it is MWM
[04:37] <trojjer> lol... at least KDE makes Windows converts feel "more at home", slightly
[04:37] <Minataku> Which you can get free
[04:37] <Minataku> CDE in it's entirety is commercial
[04:37] <trojjer> yeah
[04:37] <Minataku> So you can techically take any other DE like KDE and have it use MWM
[04:37] <jacques> no I want to connect to www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:38] <deadowl> alright, broadcom 4310 uart rev01 using ndiswrapper not scanning/connecting
[04:38] <deadowl> anyone have any ideas?
[04:38] <FireHazard17> cde is a sad excuse for a WM
[04:38] <trojjer> so I can just close this to the invisible Panel somewhere in RAM (Konv), and when I login to a KDE session it'll still be there?
[04:38] <Daskreech> jacques: Hmm I can't reach there either
[04:39] <Daskreech> !networking
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <Daskreech> !network
[04:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:39] <trojjer> wtf??? It should be able to give you a link about networking, yikes
[04:39] <trojjer> biiiig topic
[04:39] <Daskreech> trojjer: Umm  not really
[04:39] <Daskreech> You can close the app and reopen it in KDE
[04:39] <trojjer> although network goes to wireless, lol
[04:40] <jacques> thanks for trying
[04:40] <Daskreech>  it will remember all your history
[04:40] <trojjer> ah
[04:40] <clyrrad> Quick question - any one here know how to stop KDE from loading when the PC reboots?  In otherwords I only want KDE to run if I type startx
[04:40] <Daskreech> jacques: what are you looking up?
[04:40] <deadowl> the topic of wireless is too big and therefore not well organized
[04:40] <trojjer> Clyyrad: You want to use GNOME instead?
[04:40] <Daskreech> clyrrad: you want a headless machine?
[04:40] <trojjer> lol
[04:40] <trojjer> ah right
[04:40] <trojjer> CLI
[04:40] <trojjer> sorry
[04:40] <Daskreech> clyrrad: Sorry a CLI machine ?
[04:40] <trojjer> duh
[04:40] <FireHazard17> dur
[04:40] <clyrrad> trojjer: no - I want a CLI only machine 90% of the time... I only want KDE to load when I tell it
[04:41] <trojjer> right
[04:41] <Daskreech> deadowl: Yes but it has a walkthrough
[04:41] <trojjer> you don't even want the X login?
[04:41] <FireHazard17> noes
[04:41] <clyrrad> correct
[04:41] <trojjer> gotcha
[04:41] <clyrrad> only if I type starx then KDE should load
[04:41] <trojjer> come on then people ;)
[04:41] <FireHazard17> startx
[04:41] <clyrrad> yes startx
[04:41] <FireHazard17> and then it loads
[04:41] <jacques>  I wanted to install some database servers
[04:41] <Minataku> clyrrad: Remove kdm from the default runlevel
[04:41] <FireHazard17> kde
[04:41] <clyrrad> so how do I disable it from starting automatically?
[04:41] <Minataku> !runlevel
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Daskreech> clyrrad: alt+Enter -> System -> (press enter) -> advanced -> service manager
[04:41] <Minataku> Lame
[04:42] <FireHazard17> i hate ubotu
[04:42] <Daskreech> jacques: which servers ?
[04:42] <otaku-san> aaaah poor ubotu
[04:42] <baudthief> Hello - I've got 1GB of ram in this machine, so far ~500MB is used by Kubuntu + beryl, etc. If I leave it on for a day or so, it consumes all the free RAM and starts using swap (starts getting sluggish) - is there a reason for this?
[04:42] <clyrrad> Daskreech: alt+enter does nothing for me??
[04:42] <Daskreech> clyrrad: are you in KDE ?
[04:42] <clyrrad> Yep sure am
[04:42] <l_r> hello
[04:43] <trojjer> hi
[04:43] <Daskreech> clyrrad: :-(
[04:43] <Minataku> baudthief: Heh, brings back bad memories
[04:43] <clyrrad> Daskreech: is it not possible to get there via the K menu?
[04:43] <Daskreech> clyrrad: ok then open system settings -> Advanced -> System Services
[04:43] <trojjer> yes it's just the shortcut key lol
[04:43] <baudthief> Minataku: :\ This happenned before on my ubuntu (gnome) install, made it impossible to try and run vmware decently
[04:43] <trojjer> so many configurators to get used to though
[04:43] <FireHazard17> i hope ubotu goes insane with knowledge and kills himself
[04:44] <trojjer> and that's just the visual ones
[04:44] <clyrrad> Daskreech: ok im there now
[04:44] <l_r> i have a problem when terminating a session. whatever i click on (shutdown, reboot, etc..) , sometimes kde does not do shutdown, reboot. any idea?
[04:44] <Daskreech> clyrrad: take KDM out of your default boot level
[04:44] <clyrrad> Daskreech: ok I guress I enter in admin mode
[04:44] <l_r> i always have to to halt manually
[04:44] <Daskreech> clyrrad: good guess
[04:45] <clyrrad> Daskreech: ah i see the option :) Start doing boot
[04:45] <clyrrad> Just uncheck that and im good?
[04:45] <Minataku> baudthief: In my case, it was a kernel memory leak in ACPI
[04:45] <trojjer> (ah yes, about shutdown... why does my Ubuntu seem to take quite a bit longer than Windows to shutdown? I haven't compared it directly, but it seems like it does... and there are so many processing running at idle, lol... although at least I can see exactly what is running though, under "All Processes" -- better than the devious WinTaskMan)
[04:45] <Minataku> After 10 days, OOM stepped in and crashed everything because the kernel filled up all the RAM _and_ swap
[04:46] <FireHazard17> oom?
[04:46] <Daskreech> FireHazard17: one more than oop :)
[04:46] <FireHazard17> :P
[04:46] <clyrrad> Daskreech: thanks for your help
[04:46] <Minataku> Out Of Memory
[04:47] <trojjer> okay seeya when I login to KDE
[04:47] <Daskreech> clyrrad: sure
[04:47] <baudthief> Minataku: damn man, windows didn't even do this with me, had it on for weeks at a time with no probs
[04:47] <Daskreech> baudthief: which beryl
[04:47] <trojjer> ah twat
[04:47] <Cosmo_> I am trying to play a video file inside swiftfox but when it asks to install the plugin it comes back with the error "Unknown Plugin (video/divx) how do I fix it?
[04:47] <Minataku> baudthief: Nothing is perfect
[04:47] <trojjer> how do I logout without the panel again? Ctrl+Alt+Bk just restarts GNOME
[04:48] <FireHazard17> that sounds horrible
[04:48] <trojjer> it's how I lost the Panels in the first place
[04:48] <Daskreech> Cosmo_: Umm.. Install mplayer is my knee jerk reaction
[04:48] <Minataku> BTW: I did resolve it, I helped the kernel devs trace it and solve it
[04:48] <Daskreech> baudthief: and you are using pre alpha software :)
[04:48] <FireHazard17> try not using beryl
[04:48] <clyrrad> trojjer: you mean like how windows has a WINDOWS KEY + L option?
[04:48] <Cosmo_> Daskreech: already had it installed
[04:48] <Daskreech> Cosmo_: Not too sure.
[04:48] <FireHazard17> whats wondpws key + L do?
[04:49] <trojjer> lol
[04:49] <baudthief> Daskreech: How do I find out the version of beryl? No alpha/pre software on this install
[04:49] <Daskreech> Cosmo_: you could ask in #ubuntu as well they have more firefox/media experience
[04:49] <clyrrad> FireHazard17: it locks your session
[04:49] <FireHazard17> oh
[04:49] <Daskreech> baudthief: all of beryl is pre alpha so ... yeah you do
[04:49] <Dragnslcr> Heh, I was about to say
[04:49] <trojjer> yes the Super key... and how do I set the keybindings in KDE/GNOME so that it brings up the relevant "Start" menu? That'd be better than Ctrl+Esc for me
[04:49] <baudthief> damn, I just did it through apt
[04:49] <clyrrad> FireHazard17: like how your "screen saver" does - so you need to enter your password to resume your session
[04:49] <Daskreech> trojjer: alt+F1
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> trojjer: try alt-f2 kdesu /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:49] <Kansi> why does kubuntu becomes all white when I open beryl ?
[04:49] <Dragnslcr> Beryl isn't even close to beta yet
[04:49] <clyrrad> trojjer: yea - I would be interested to know that too
[04:49] <Daskreech> baudthief: :) Yeah it's nice but still very young
[04:50] <FireHazard17> yeah i get it i just never knew the shortcut
[04:50] <Daskreech>  baudthief: feisty I'm guessing ?
[04:50] <FireHazard17> ive used it just not the shortcut
[04:50] <Kansi> Dragnslcr:  but it works on ubuntu
[04:50] <Daskreech> baudthief: In any case lets find out what's eating your memory
[04:50] <Kansi> (gnome)
[04:50] <clyrrad> FireHazard17: ok guess that makes 3 of us wanting to know how to do that :p
[04:50] <baudthief> yeah feisty :\ Couldn't get 6.0x to install on this machine
[04:50] <Daskreech> baudthief: Ctrl+Esc
[04:51] <deadowl> i've got this for my wireless interface on kernel log: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 14
[04:51] <deadowl> what does this mean exactly?
[04:51] <clyrrad> Daskreech: what does Ctrl+Esc do?  Bring up the password screen?
[04:51] <baudthief> Daskreech: Ctrl+Esc'd - i've just reboot so mem is "only" 617MB used
[04:51] <trojjer> nah Ctrl+Esc is the "Start"/K/Gnome bar
[04:51] <trojjer> I think
[04:51] <trojjer> oh
[04:51] <trojjer> lol
[04:52] <Daskreech> clyrrad: Nope it's the process manager in KDE
[04:52] <trojjer> oh
[04:52] <Daskreech> deadowl: it's trying to find a DHCP server
[04:52] <baudthief> (617MB according to free -m)
[04:52] <clyrrad> Daskreech: ah this is like the WinDOZE taksmanger.exe - cool I didnt know this
[04:52] <FireHazard17> win r ?
[04:52] <Daskreech> baudthief: what's using the most ?
[04:52] <FireHazard17> what did that do?
[04:52] <cntb> trojjer
[04:52] <trojjer> when I boot I get about 200MB+ with GNOME, and 150 or so with KDE
[04:52] <cntb> win+r is easy
[04:52] <Daskreech> FireHazard17: same thing as alt+F2
[04:52] <FireHazard17> oh
[04:53] <baudthief> Daskreech: as in vmSize?
[04:53] <trojjer> out of 512MB it isn't too bad, but it crawls with bloody Firefox
[04:53] <Daskreech> baudthief: I think
[04:53] <Daskreech> baudthief: I forget :)
[04:53] <FireHazard17> firefox is a mem hog?
[04:53] <clyrrad> very cool I didnt know KDE had this "taskmanager" feature - I always use the CML and ps aux |grep blah blah
[04:53] <cntb> also apply symbolic link cmd= konsole
[04:53] <trojjer> it is for me, with more than a few tabs
[04:53] <Daskreech> clyrrad: again it's going to be much kooler in KDE4
[04:53] <trojjer> strange anomaly
[04:54] <Daskreech> baudthief: sure what's using the most VMsize ?
[04:54] <clyrrad> Daskreech: cool enough for me now since I use the command line 90% of the time :)
[04:54] <trojjer> Konq seems a bit better but I'm not fussed on it
[04:54] <cntb> clyrrad niceing feature sometimes helps in task manager
[04:54] <Daskreech> clyrrad: You are killing KDE altogether why do you kare? :)
[04:54] <baudthief> Daskreech: For vmSize, Beryl is first with 196MB, Xorg is second with 125MB
[04:54] <clyrrad> Daskreech: nah im not killing it - I use it when I need GUI apps
[04:54] <clyrrad> like firefox for example
[04:54] <Daskreech> baudthief: can you ask in #ubuntu-effects iif that's normal ?
[04:55] <Daskreech> clyrrad: you could use w3m
[04:55] <baudthief> sure
[04:55] <clyrrad> Daskreech: w3m?
[04:55] <trojjer> ahh w3m... is that the w3c? Or am I getting confused with Amaya?
[04:55] <premier_> this is getting annoying... beryl won't start unless you kill kdesktop first
[04:55] <premier_> and no, beryl --replace does not work
[04:56] <cntb> I have image bkd up my kubuntu and I can shoot restore it from WINDOWS with ghost32 while windows running
[04:56] <Daskreech> clyrrad: command line web browser. pretty slick
[04:57] <premier_> Daskreech: by pretty slick, you mean, going back in time, right?
[04:57] <Daskreech> premier_: I mean getting a lot of stuff done while still being in the command line
[04:57] <clyrrad> Daskreech: ah - I use lynx for that
[04:57] <premier_> Daskreech: really?  cause I get a lot of stuff done and I don't have to use the command line
[04:58] <Daskreech> premier_: I never said you had to
[04:58] <cntb> is leadtek TVcard working OK with mythTV ?
[04:58] <Daskreech> clyrrad: It's installed already so ...
[04:59] <Daskreech> cntb: #mythtv-users
[04:59] <clyrrad> Daskreech: ok im gonna look at it now
[04:59] <baudthief> Daskreech: They said it's a buggy card driver ;\
[04:59] <cntb> k
[04:59] <Daskreech> baudthief: ahh Nvidia ?
[05:00] <Daskreech> No wiat
[05:00] <kewlie> Someone here earlier shared the command to d/l and install nvidia drivers but the OS is still complaining about have an active xserver running, I have tried the ways on ubuntu.com and ended up having to go into safe mode and reconfigure xserver to get back in?
[05:00] <Daskreech>  that was the black bug
[05:00] <Daskreech> kewlie: you have to answer in the form of a question ?
[05:00] <kewlie> lol no sorry that was slip
[05:00] <Daskreech> Ok :0
[05:00] <Daskreech> :-)
[05:01] <Daskreech> So you have a question ?
[05:01] <kewlie> i restart the xserver and get booted into a command line
[05:01] <clyrrad> Daskreech: yea w3m is pretty cool too - but is surely cant replace a GUI browser which can render CSS and images :)  - but a cool tool never the less - very much like lynx
[05:01] <Daskreech> clyrrad: Yeah I think that it may have a plugin for images
[05:01] <kewlie> im trying to install nvidia drivers but it complains about the xserver being active, i was told not to worry bout that however I cannot get around that error
[05:01] <Daskreech> or that might have been a different browser I forget :(
[05:02] <clyrrad> Daskreech: heh - that'd be kool!!!
[05:02] <baudthief> Daskreech: Beryl
[05:02] <Daskreech> baudthief: what video card?
[05:02] <baudthief> *'s ram consumption is going up by ~4mb/minute lol
[05:02] <baudthief> nVidia 7600GS
[05:03] <Daskreech> baudthief: time to change drivers? :)
[05:03] <Daskreech> kewlie: how are you installing ?
[05:03] <Daskreech> hi intelikey
[05:03] <intelikey> freenode has   -:- Current global users: 30430
[05:03] <baudthief> This is a fresh Kubuntu + nVidia install lol, did it yesterday using nVidia's drivers
[05:03] <Daskreech> !nvidia | baudthief
[05:03] <ubotu> baudthief: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:04] <intelikey> Daskreech
[05:04] <kewlie> in the terminal sudo sh (installer) commands
[05:04] <Daskreech> kewlie: do you have irissi installed ?
[05:04] <kewlie> i have no idea what that is
[05:05] <kewlie> i had them installed once but i tried to get beryl running and i corrupted the driver I think
[05:05] <intelikey> it's irssi  the console/terminal based irc client
[05:05] <Daskreech> kewlie: ok well before anyone starts messing with X I advise irissi
[05:05] <Daskreech> irssi :0
[05:05] <kewlie> ok thx
[05:05] <Daskreech> ;-)
[05:06] <baudthief> Daskreech: should I do a full system backup before attempting to install the binary drivers?
[05:06] <Daskreech> kewlie: Do you know how to switch to virtual terminals ?
[05:06] <kewlie> nope
[05:06] <Daskreech> baudthief: Ahhhm no that's a bit drastic
[05:06] <Daskreech> baudthief: you could though :)
[05:06] <kewlie> ive been playing with kubuntu for a month by myself trying to get this together lol
[05:06] <Daskreech> baudthief: You could listen in on this  conversation with kewlie though
[05:06] <intelikey> what's up doc
[05:07] <kewlie> i got the latest drivers and had them installed once, because glx and glxgears worked
[05:07] <dr_willis> got the weekend off!
[05:07] <dr_willis> :)
[05:07] <kewlie> i could run open gl apps great
[05:07] <Daskreech> kewlie: well install irssi and I'll play with you in the mean time
[05:07] <intelikey> kewl bein's
[05:07] <Daskreech>  baudthief you as well
[05:07] <home_> hello everyone
[05:08] <Daskreech> hi home_
[05:08] <baudthief> Daskreech: turns out I already have the binary restricted drivers :p
[05:08] <kewlie> ok brb ill go find this irssi
[05:08] <Daskreech> kewlie, baudthief: ok I want you to press alt+Ctrl+F1 and login as yourself then press alt+Ctrl+F7
[05:08] <Daskreech> that should bring you back here
[05:08] <kewlie> ok
[05:09] <kewlie> yes that works
[05:10] <baudthief> yep
[05:10] <Daskreech> kewlie: ok if you install irssi you can log into irc from the command line :)
[05:10] <kewlie> cool
[05:10] <kewlie> ill go do that
[05:10] <Daskreech> so if for some reason you break X bad you can still get help here
[05:11] <Daskreech> so if you press alt+ctrl+f1 and do a sudo apt-get install irssi
[05:11] <Daskreech> you can then do a irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[05:11] <Daskreech> when it comes up type /join #kubuntu
[05:11] <Daskreech> and we can play some more :)
[05:11] <intelikey> could put the channel on the command line too   ?
[05:12] <Daskreech> You can ?
[05:12] <kewlie> ok
[05:12] <baudthief> lol got my laptop out
[05:12] <Daskreech> Didn't look into it that much :)
[05:12] <BaudXP> test
[05:12] <Daskreech> intelikey: what's the switch ?
[05:12] <Daskreech> BaudXP: This is from windows Xp ?
[05:13] <intelikey> hehhe i don't use irssi.   for bx it's  -c  for channel  :)
[05:13] <baudthief> yeah, can't convert laptop to ubuntu too lol - need my development apps on it
[05:13] <Daskreech> cooties!!!
[05:13] <baudthief> haha
[05:13] <jason_> lol whoa
[05:13] <kewlie> lol yah thats cool
[05:14] <baudthief> jason_: does it remind you of days when the internet was so slow, that you'd spend the whole night and only get to see one woman? :p
[05:14] <jason_> lol
[05:14] <Daskreech> !women
[05:14] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[05:14] <Daskreech> in anycase :-)
[05:14] <jason_> oh man
[05:14] <baudthief> haha
[05:15] <Daskreech> well now you can play with your driverrs as much as you want and if you break something bad you can get help here :0
[05:15] <Daskreech> ;-)
[05:15] <jason_> my roomate just asked if this was some old bbs service lol
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> there's an uphill battle...
[05:15] <Daskreech> jason_: No would you like an old bbs service? :-)
[05:15] <cntb> how to includedvd kubuntu in source.list
[05:16] <cntb> !sources
[05:16] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:16] <baudthief> Daskreech: so binary drivers installed with apt aren't the latest?
[05:16] <Daskreech> cntb: Is it a live DVD ?
[05:16] <jason_> nah prodigy wore me out
[05:16] <Daskreech> baudthief: No they are stable
[05:16] <intelikey> well. Daskreech looks like i fumbled that one.   irssi doesn't support channel on the command line     not according to the man page anyway.
[05:16] <cntb> yes Daskreech
[05:16] <cntb> can it be used as a source
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: got there about 2 secs before me...
[05:16] <Daskreech> cntb: as far as I know it cannot be used as a source I could be very wrong give me a second
[05:17] <cntb> for apt-get
[05:17] <Kr4t05> Is there any way to just completely replace kicker?
[05:17] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i had to install it to check....
[05:17] <Kr4t05> I have AWN as a taskbar/systemtray, but I still want access to a K-menu
[05:17] <cntb> well I need local repository and I hoped this would be it
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> ahhh....
[05:17] <cntb> np
[05:17] <Daskreech> cntb: wait
[05:17] <Daskreech> cntb: I could be wrong
[05:17] <cntb> I am tired of installing from net all the time
[05:17] <dr_willis> Kr4t05,  i think its doable.. but never bothered. :) ya could make a new desktop.session to run just what you want
[05:18] <Daskreech> !dvd
[05:18] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:18] <Daskreech> Drat :)
[05:18] <Kr4t05> dr_willis: Eh?
[05:18] <Daskreech> cntb: have you tried apt-cdrom ?
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> cntb: it doesn't really matter since they'll probably get re-downloaded in a couple upgrades anyway
[05:18] <intelikey> oh well.   i looked.    and now tty24 [root@~]  urpme irssi
[05:18] <Daskreech> hitmanWilly: you sir are joking :)
[05:19] <dr_willis> Kr4t05,  make a new entry/desktop sessiin for your kdm  login that lods just the kde window manager, and your panel  perhaps
[05:19] <Kr4t05> dr_willis: Ah...
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> yes...and no
[05:19] <Daskreech> cntb: put the dvd in and run apt-cdrom
[05:19] <Daskreech> or sudo apt-cdrom
[05:19] <intelikey> cntb i share your disdain of network installation of all software.
[05:19] <jason_> lol nvidia still wants a xserver killed doh
[05:20] <Daskreech> jason_: kill it then
[05:20] <baudthief> hmm maybe I should just get rid of beryl :\
[05:20] <jason_> dont know how, the only command ive seen is init 3 and that doesnt seem to do anything
[05:20] <Daskreech> jason_: alt+ctrl+F2 -> Login -> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop -> <do install stuff>
[05:20] <baudthief> or get another 1GB of ram lol, that way it'll take 4 days to fill up instead of 2 :p
[05:21] <cntb> good thing about network it is most prolly updated
[05:21] <Daskreech> baudthief: or get better drivers
[05:21] <Daskreech> cntb: bad thing is it's sloooooow
[05:21] <intelikey> cntb only if you have the updates and security repos enabled
[05:21] <baudthief> Daskreech: that tutorial you showed me said to use restricted-manager to install the proper drivers, yet there's no option to change/upgrade?
[05:21] <kewlie> oh thx
[05:22] <Daskreech> baudthief: well if you installed the ones from nvidia's site they are newer than the ones that the restricted-manager installs so it has no incentive to change them
[05:23] <baudthief> ahh I didn't, I just installed using apt-get - so I just head up to nvidia's site, download + install?
[05:23] <intelikey> jason_ to learn a little of the very basics of job control.  you should first read the manual page on the man command so you'll kinda understand how to find/view manual pages.  then look at the infonode on    !cli
[05:24] <jason_> i see that now
[05:24] <intelikey> !cli | jason_  type; man man     then look here >
[05:24] <intelikey> ooops where's the bot ?
[05:24] <jason_> lol
[05:24] <intelikey> !cli
[05:24] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:24] <intelikey> there  ^
[05:24] <Daskreech> baudthief: wait. it's the apt-get driver behaving badly?
[05:24] <jason_> i did the kdm stop and now im at the text command line thx
[05:24] <baudthief> according to ubuntu-effects it is, they didnt ask what driver i'm using
[05:25] <Daskreech> baudthief: they certainly know more than I do :)
[05:25] <intelikey> jason_ at least make a note of that for future referance.  you'll be glad you did.
[05:25] <baudthief> lol, ok so the drivers from the nvidia site are "better", or should I just not bother?
[05:26] <Daskreech> baudthief: I don't know :)
[05:26] <Daskreech> baudthief: this is where I turn you over to #ubuntu-effects to pester them :)
[05:27] <baudthief> haha alright
[05:27] <intelikey> /me can't install nvidia drivers  ;'(    </sniff>
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> baudthief: actually, the ones from the site are worse for ubuntu that the repo ones
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> baudthief: if you just want the latest ones, apt-get nvidia-glx-new
[05:28] <pikko> hello...
[05:28] <intelikey> assuming it's not legacy ^
[05:28] <Daskreech> !hi
[05:28] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:28] <pikko> hi
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> true...
[05:29] <pikko> what's the topic?
[05:29] <Daskreech> !topic
[05:29] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[05:29] <baudthief> ok, trying nvidia-glx-new
[05:29] <intelikey> i see what happened on that bot call i messed up.... it's the second pipe. it sent the whole post to  >
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> baudthief: what kind of card is it?
[05:30] <baudthief> hitmanWilly: 7600GS
[05:30] <baudthief> *nVidia
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> baudthief: ok, youre fine with the -new ones then
[05:30] <baudthief> sweet heh... I did an apt-get install nvidia-glx-new, it's done
[05:30] <baudthief> what now?
[05:31] <intelikey> does he need to configure ?
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> baudthief: run sudo nvidia-xconfig, then reboot
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> baudthief: full reboot, not just an X restart
[05:31] <baudthief> Done
[05:31] <baudthief> no probs heh, back soon, rebooting
[05:32] <intelikey> what's that command to probe the monitor again ?
[05:33] <BaudXP> haha... probe the monitor :p
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: ?
[05:33] <flake> that's some serious p03n
[05:33] <intelikey> yes to get the refresh rates and stuff that it supports
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: crap...i forget...
[05:34] <BaudXP> haha same
[05:34] <intelikey> i did too   and if i find it again i'm gonna make a note and file it on three drives for safe keeping
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:35] <intelikey> forget that it   ^
[05:36] <intelikey> oh yes, does unzip not support unpacking .exe archives ?
[05:37] <intelikey> hmmm says they are... but i have a .exe that it doesn't unzip
[05:38] <Daskreech> cntb: ping
[05:38] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: are you sure its a zip exe or is it something like a .cab extractor?
[05:38] <intelikey> Note that self-extracting ZIP files are supported, as with any other ZIP archive; just  specify  the .exe suffix (if any) explicitly. <<< man unzip said.
[05:39] <intelikey> hitmanWilly hmmm well...   lemme check
[05:39] <intelikey> FAH504-Linux.exe: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for
[05:39] <intelikey> GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, stripped
[05:40] <intelikey> maybe it's not zipped....
[05:41] <intelikey> well looks like it's not.   hehhe just expected the .exe to be a self extracting zip file   it's just an elf binary
[05:41] <jason_> is it ok to let nvidia compile a kernel interface for my cards driver?
[05:41] <dr_willis> that would be weird. :)
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> jason_: yes
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> jason_: it needs to do that to work
[05:43] <dblespresso> anyone know how to tuen off http referrer in konqueror? not alot out there on this...
[05:43] <dblespresso> er, turn off
[05:43] <jason_> this os is way more involved than I thought
[05:43] <jason_> but thats a good thing
[05:43] <dblespresso> lol
[05:44] <jason_> i use xp all day at work and no less than 4 times a day does the server or the terminals crash for no reason
[05:44] <dblespresso> this os is what you will never leave when you become well-versed in it.
[05:44] <jason_> lol it played n64 games im all for it
[05:44] <intelikey> well ok.  now i have answers to these "people" (started to say kids...)  that come in asking about those  *.exe  for linux downloads from UNI.   they are ELF executables.   you just run them.
[05:45] <intelikey> hitmanWilly you might want to note that also   ^
[05:45] <dblespresso> lol@exe
[05:45] <dblespresso> anyone know anything about http referrer in konqueror?
[05:45] <intelikey> dblespresso yes i have no idea why it has a file extention.
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: maybe to not confuse the windows folks?
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> which is an extremely bad idea imho
[05:46] <intelikey> maybe.  but it has the reverse affect on the linux folk for whom it's intended  so....
[05:47] <intelikey> yes mine too
[05:47] <dblespresso> i think that linux, esp. ubuntu, is catering a little too much to the windows crowd in the hopes they'll find it easier
[05:47] <intelikey> indeed
[05:47] <mjn> greetings. i have a question about installing vmplayer via adept.
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> well, they're starting to get the bloat factor down...
[05:47] <mjn> is this the right place?
[05:47] <dblespresso> there's a huge diff between bein a user and actually using computers
[05:48] <intelikey> lol @ bloat factor...      "by a magnatude"    :}
[05:48] <Daskreech> jason_: it does
[05:48] <BaudXP> oh man, after installing the new drivers the video tearing problem is back, wont allow me to select a refresh rate above 54hz :(
[05:48] <dblespresso> i actually thought about downloading the new fedora 7, but i've been using (k)ubuntu since it came out. i cannot seem to tear myself away...
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> BaudXP: try adding the refresh into xorg.conf
[05:49] <intelikey> 54HURTS    !
[05:49] <mjn> after installing the vmplayer, it keeps on trying to configure the vmware network setting everytime i use the dpkg
[05:49] <Daskreech> dblespresso: please do :) it might broaden you for a few months :)
[05:49] <Daskreech> more knowledge is good
[05:49] <titanix88> dblespresso: i was an windows fan & after ubuntu i don't like windows XP because it's cmd line is too weak!(i love GNU/Linux :)
[05:50] <vit_> hola
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> dblespresso: ive run pretty much every major distro/base out there at one point or another
[05:50] <Daskreech> hi knapp_
[05:50] <vit_> hola a todos
[05:50] <dblespresso> been a linux user since '98. used red hat, then mandrake, now ubuntu
[05:50] <intelikey> are they up to seven already....   'tisk tisk'  only seems like yesterday they forked...   i still have rh9
[05:50] <Daskreech> hitmanWilly: and the best is haikuos isn't it? :)
[05:50] <dblespresso> before that i was a mac user
[05:51] <BaudXP> lol I should mention that 640x480 is the max res i'm allowed to choose too :p
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> Daskreech: don't make me hurt you.../jk
[05:51] <dblespresso> fedora doesn't seem to support my laptop near as well as ubuntu does
[05:51] <Daskreech> hitmanWilly: awww don't be like that
[05:51] <dblespresso> ubunti just *works*
[05:51] <dblespresso> er, ubuntu
[05:51] <Daskreech> hitmanWilly: I know the best one is $OSIUSENOW
[05:51] <titanix88> btw everyone ,why not use GNU/Linux term? We need to give credits to FSF too, not just Linux Kernel Developers.
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> lol, always is...
[05:52] <Daskreech> titanix88: cool go right ahead :)
[05:52] <Daskreech> hi jason_ How's that bbs kicking ?
[05:52] <intelikey> BaudXP well ridiged rate and fixed size.  yep the new driver is working.   :)    all kidding aside.  i think you are but a step or two from getting that thing to produce the graphics it was made for...    unfortuneately i don't know the setps...
[05:52] <intelikey> steps
[05:53] <intelikey> eceh
[05:53] <intelikey> even
[05:53] <intelikey> i'll get back on home key some day.
[05:53] <dblespresso> titanix... RMS is nice and all, but linux is just a kernel, not an OS. each distro throws in its own userland and makes it an actual distro. the term linux is generic and works well for what it's intended to do... convey information
[05:54] <Daskreech> dblespresso: please don't start a Political row in here
[05:54] <intelikey> dblespresso actually the kernel is the os all the rest is fluff
[05:54] <Daskreech> intelikey: and you don't encourage it :-P
[05:54] <intelikey> Daskreech i do too
[05:54] <Daskreech> You are all welcomed to chat about it in OT
[05:54] <dblespresso> a kernel without a userland is not an OS, bro. it's just a kernel
[05:54] <Daskreech> !OT
[05:54] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:54] <intelikey> oh never mind.
[05:55] <Daskreech> dblespresso, intelikey and titanix88: Chat away in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:55] <Daskreech> I want to encourage the discussion just not in here
[05:56] <BaudXP> intelikey: argh :(
[05:56] <intelikey> BaudXP what did i do now ?
[05:56] <Tm_Konvi> agreed
[05:56] <titanix88> dblespresso, intelikey and titanix88: well let's go offtopic. they just want to use k/ubuntu in ur everyline :(
[05:57] <Tm_Konvi> hm, no superpowers
[05:57] <Daskreech> Tm_Konvi: my cow doesn't have it either :(
[05:59] <Tm_Konvi> Daskreech: well,just should take over my normal client
[05:59] <intelikey> lol
[05:59] <intelikey> yeah that !   @ Daskreech
[06:00] <intelikey> Tm_Konvi what issue exactly ?
[06:01] <Tm_Konvi> intelikey: er?
[06:02] <Daskreech> hi nik
[06:02] <intelikey> Tm_T oh nevermind  thought you were having an issue.   sorry, misunderstood the "<Tm_Konvi> hm, no superpowers"
[06:03] <intelikey> Tm_Konvi ^
[06:03] <Tm_Konvi> hmm, looks like I once again have over one minute pings
[06:03] <intelikey> someone trying to kick your door down ?
[06:03] <Tm_Konvi> intelikey: what issue where?
[06:04] <Tm_Konvi> intelikey: ah that issue, hostmask in access list
[06:04] <Tm_Konvi> so, should take Tm_T in action to be able to wear that silly hat
[06:05] <Tm_Konvi> woohoo, less than 6 hours left downloading!
[06:06] <BaudXP> oh man, this is crap - I can't change my display resolution to anything higher than 640x480
[06:06] <BaudXP> what was the point of the new drivers!
[06:06] <hendaus> titanix88: wb
[06:06] <Tm_Konvi> and just for get my Kubuntu uptodate
[06:06] <Daskreech> !resolution
[06:06] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:06] <Daskreech> BaudXP: ^^^
[06:06] <intelikey> Tm_Konvi oh my!  not on dialup are you ?
[06:06] <titanix88> hendaus: long time no see :)
[06:06] <hendaus> :)
[06:07] <Tm_Konvi> harhar, and should update KDE4 svn too, that will take day or two too =)
[06:07] <hendaus> titanix88:  i need u urgent
[06:08] <Tm_Konvi> intelikey: well, sort of yes, gprs, that means dialup using gsm phone
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> So all the blazing speeds of dial-up with twice the latency? :)
[06:08] <Tm_Konvi> intelikey: so, dialup modem with high latency =)
[06:09] <dr_willis> Hmm.. are thses "SD" memory cards for camera like real  senestive? ive had 2 die on me in the last week.
[06:09] <Daskreech> Yeah
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> dr_willis: make sure they aren't mounted with sync option if they are fat FS.
[06:10] <di_> hi, how do i get konqueror to close a tab when i middle click it?
[06:10] <dr_willis> one only lasted a week.
[06:10] <dr_willis> using them in my gp2x player/handheld.
[06:10] <dr_willis> the silly thing aint even showing up in fdisk.
[06:10] <dr_willis> windows aint even seeing the one either.
[06:11] <Daskreech> di_: middle click drags tabs or opens URLS
[06:11] <di_> Daskreech: oh
[06:11] <di_> i think i just have to get used to that
[06:11] <di_> thanks anyway
[06:11] <di_> kde rocks
[06:12] <Daskreech> di_: Yeah you'll use Ctrl+W a lot more
[06:12] <di_> just wondering how to get the window list bar to show only apps open on the current desktop
[06:12] <di_> because im using 5-sided 3d beryl
[06:13] <Dragnslcr> Right-click the taskbar and go to Configure Panel
[06:13] <intelikey> i would normally call the bot on that...   !beryl
[06:13] <Dragnslcr> In the Taskbar section there's an option to show/hide windows from all desktops
[06:13] <di_> there is?
[06:14] <intelikey> Dragnslcr in beryl ?
[06:15] <di_> Dragnslcr: i can't find that option
[06:16] <intelikey> i think i may have found a new cpu fan !!! scratch that, used cpu fan for my main box.   it's hard to find old parts new any more.
[06:17] <intelikey> this case fan is too noisy to use for a cpu fan.  maybe i just used too big a case fan.  or too high a voltage
[06:17] <di_> Dragnslcr: ah
[06:18] <di_> i had to disable beryl first and use kwin
[06:18] <di_> thanks
[06:18] <di_> oh wait
[06:18] <di_> sigh
[06:19] <intelikey> !beryl | di_ you may find more helpfull help where beryl is supported.
[06:19] <ubotu> di_ you may find more helpfull help where beryl is supported.: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:20] <Dragnslcr> Oh, guess that's only in vanilla KDE
[06:20] <Dragnslcr> Sorry 'bout that
[06:20] <di_> its ok
[06:20] <di_> ill live with it fine
[06:20] <intelikey> just ignore me.
[06:20] <Dragnslcr> I would imagine Beryl has the same option somewhere
[06:20] <di_> hmm
[06:20] <intelikey> no body ever reads what i write anyway...
[06:20] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[06:21] <Solifugus> How do you play videos in caffeine?  I mean, openning a video file with caffeine shows my some options like playlist, play dvd, etc.. how do I play the stinking video I double-clicked on in the first place?
[06:24] <Solifugus> It's just this mpeg-4 video: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/gallery/videos.html
[06:25] <intelikey> !mpg
[06:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:26] <intelikey> prolly not relevent.
[06:26] <intelikey> but could be a codec issue
[06:26] <Solifugus> how do you get codecs?  i read shuttleworth saying that ubuntu makes it easy to get codecs
[06:26] <intelikey> you have libxine-extracodecs (!sp) installed ?