[00:33] <bjsnider> hd 2400 is pretty old. it should be recognized
[00:33] <bjsnider> maybe it isn't getting power
[00:33] <tor_> its the laptop version
[00:34] <bjsnider> check dmesg and /var/log/X.org.log
[00:34] <bjsnider> or Xorg.0.log i mean
[00:34] <tor_> same path?
[00:34] <bjsnider> probably find it ain't not gettin' no electricity
[00:39] <tor_> http://pastebin.com/yGVS4fXB
[00:41] <tor_> is there some kind of filrt to use in dmesg?
[00:41] <tor_> i get a lot of [93116.162914] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
[00:41] <tor_> [93116.162927] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[00:42] <bjsnider> the log says, if you look at line 102, you don't have fglrx installed
[00:42] <bjsnider> you should install it if you expect to use it
[00:42] <bjsnider> otherwise it's using radeon, which is probably better anyway
[00:46] <tor_> it is installed
[00:49] <tor_> http://postimg.org/image/pu8si0zmp/
[00:50] <tor_> and the cache error/warning i get hundreds of in dmesg i dont get
[00:50] <tor_> i do not have a sdb device as i know of
[00:51] <tor_> potentially the cardreader?
[00:51] <tor_> but it is empty
[00:53] <LukeL> :|
[00:56] <tor_> a couple of lines above you see: Matched fglrx as autoconfigured driver 0
[00:56] <tor_> but what is the module it failes to load?
[00:58] <bjsnider> fglrx
[00:58] <tor_> or why?
[00:58] <bjsnider> because it isn't there
[00:58] <tor_> it says so above
[00:58] <bjsnider> do this
[00:58] <bjsnider> from the console, type dkms status
[00:59] <tor_> dkms status
[00:59] <tor_> sorry
[00:59] <tor_> fglrx, 9.010, 3.8.0-19-generic, x86_64: installed
[00:59] <tor_> virtualbox, 4.2.10, 3.8.0-18-generic, x86_64: installed
[00:59] <tor_> virtualbox, 4.2.10, 3.8.0-19-generic, x86_64: installed
[01:00] <bjsnider> and then uname -r
[01:00] <tor_> 3.8.0-19-generic
[01:00] <bjsnider> sudo modprobe fglrx
[01:01] <tor_> ERROR: could not insert 'fglrx': No such device
[01:02] <bjsnider> line 5 of your xorg log says 3.2.0-37-generic
[01:02] <tor_> meaning?
[01:02] <tor_> there is some kind of mismatch?
[01:03] <bjsnider> that log was based on an older kernel
[01:03] <tor_> how can that be?
[01:03] <tor_> i just copied the content of the file you told me to
[01:04] <bjsnider> no, line 7 says it's the right kernel. line 5 refers to the original install i suppose
[01:05] <tor_> yes but why vmware?
[01:06] <tor_> i mean vmlinuz
[01:06] <bjsnider> that's what it's supposed to say
[01:06] <tor_> ok
[01:07] <bjsnider> if the module was built and installed in the kernel, which dkms confirms, then maybe there's a missing alias
[01:09] <tor_> i installed fglrx just some moments ago. how do we fix/find this alias problem?
[01:10] <bjsnider> have you got this file: /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx.conf
[01:12] <tor_> it is a shortcut or so
[01:12] <tor_> white icon with an arrow
[01:14] <bjsnider> probably pointing at /lib/fglrx/modprobe.conf
[01:15] <tor_> link target: /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_fglrx_modconf
[01:15] <bjsnider> and that's a link too
[01:16] <tor_> /lib/fglrx/modprobe.conf
[01:16] <tor_> ;)
[01:17] <bjsnider> pastebin the contents please
[01:17] <tor_> ok
[01:18] <tor_> http://pastebin.com/Lw7x0tCz
[01:19] <bjsnider> well, obviously this file isn't being respected, because it's blacklisting your current driver
[01:19] <bjsnider> so i dunno
[01:20] <tor_> hmmm
[01:20] <tor_> no way to find out why?
[01:31] <tor_> bjsnider: out of ideas?
[01:31] <bjsnider> yeah, this is an idea-free zone. might reboot, do flea power
[01:32] <tor_> shit, right now i am unsure if i have done a reboot.... that might be the case?
[01:33] <tor_> if that is it THANK you!
[01:36] <bjsnider> would have been nice to know that earlier...
[02:05] <ianliu> Is it possible to upgrade from 12.04 to 13.04?
[02:14] <sporkeee> ianliu, not directly.
[02:15] <ianliu> sporkeee: I was wondering if changing /etc/apt/sources.list.d works. Any hints?
[02:15] <sporkeee> ianliu, not a good idea, no hints there.
[02:26] <ianliu> sporkeee: ok, thanks!
[02:26] <tor-tot> So, reboot went bad. Unity is gone after login. I tried to purge fglrx but no luck getting the old settings/driver. Am i bash now. How to rescue my desktop?
[02:29] <tor-tot> Brilliant.... not :(
[02:32] <tor-tot> How to proper remove fglrx and revert system default
[02:34] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[02:37] <ShapeShifter499> I'm noticing some packages stuck at their quantal version although in their package settings shows a raring version, how do I make sure these packages update to their raring version?
[02:46] <ShapeShifter499> anyone?
[03:00] <bjsnider> no idea what that means, if anything
[03:08] <ShapeShifter499> bjsnider, in synaptic the package properties shows some packages installed with a "quantal" tag although it shows a "raring" tagged version, I have to "force upgrade" to the raring version of that package, for example bitcoin-qt on my system has this problem
[03:50] <zoos_> I was directed here for 13.04 help
[03:50] <zoos_> I think my problem is relatively simple, I can't use system shortcuts like fn+VolumeDown anymore
[03:51] <zoos_> I can alter the brightness with fn+Brightness, but trying to disable the WiFi radio and altering the volume doesn't work
[03:51] <zoos_> Is there a package or system scan that I can reinstall/force to fix my woes?
[03:55] <zoos_> help?
[04:26] <ddsss> if one installs Ubuntu 13.04 beta  how would one the  upgrade to a final?
[05:24] <Kalidarn> hmm,
[05:24] <Kalidarn> there has to be a better way to get a copy of this output during boot,
[05:25] <Kalidarn> seems on raring ringtail i occasionally get this kernel panic while booting http://imgur.com/a/FVFOv
[05:25] <Kalidarn> didn't used to happen in 12.10
[05:57] <Jack001> Hello. Has anyone upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04?
[05:58] <valorie> I have
[05:59] <valorie> 32 and 64 bit both
[05:59] <Jack001> After it installed, it said it would restart. But now it's just hanging. Any ideas?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Jack001: i would clean install
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> not upgrade
[06:00] <Jack001> Ok. Would powering off while its attempting to restart corrupt anything?
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> did you install by crom?
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> cdrom
[06:01] <Jack001> Installed from the software updates in 12.10
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> right my bad
[06:01] <Jack001> Updater*
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> yes try a reboot
[06:01] <bcbc2> Jack001: Alt+SysRq R-E-I-S-U-B
[06:01] <Jack001> So like hold the power button? It's only showing my desktop image without any icons or menus.
[06:02] <sporkeee> Jack001, follow bcbc2
[06:02] <bcbc2> Jack001: no safe reboot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses
[06:03] <Jack001> Doesn't seem to be doing anything.
[06:05] <Jack001> Alt+SysRq didn't do anything.
[06:05] <bcbc2> Jack001: if you've done it correctly (try it again to make sure) and there's no hard drive activity then you can hard reboot. Alt+SysRq does nothing by itself. You need to press the other keys (one after the other after waiting a couple of seconds)
[06:06] <bcbc2> so to be clear, hold down and keep holding Alt+SysRq and the press the other keys REISUB
[06:07] <Jack001> O it rebooted
[06:08] <Jack001> Ok. I'm trying to load into it now.
[06:08] <bcbc2> you could try recovery mode as well
[06:10] <Jack001> I'm in. I booted into Ubuntu fine. Anything I should do now? Should I uninstall and do a clean install?
[06:10] <valorie> lotuspsychje: why do you advise clean installs over upgrades?
[06:10] <valorie> both of my test boxes went fine
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> valorie: many upgrades brake thinks
[06:11] <bcbc2> Jack001: I'd just keep using it as long as it boots ok
[06:11] <valorie> they used to, years ago
[06:11] <valorie> in recent years, they are generally without incident
[06:11] <Jack001> Alright thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> valorie: they still do, i format like 40 ubuntu computers a year
[06:11] <bcbc2> np
[06:12] <Jack001> I'll have to remember this channel.
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> valorie: your system cant run smoother then a clean install
[06:13] <bcbc2> Jack001: it'll be dead in a week or so when 13.04 is released ;)
[06:13] <valorie> so far so good for me
[06:13] <bcbc2> #ubuntu is the most active support channel
[06:13] <Jack001> Dead?
[06:14] <valorie> this computer has a clean install, and it's about the same as the older boxes which I use for testing
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> valorie: did you try ubuntu tweak?
[06:14] <valorie> I run Kubuntu
[06:14] <bcbc2> Jack001: Normally there's little activity at the beginning of a new development cycle
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> i use it after i clean install to clean up stuff
[06:14] <bcbc2> it peaks around release
[06:14] <valorie> no tweaks needed
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> till it go even faster
[06:14] <bcbc2> which is now
[06:15] <Jack001> O ok. Did you guys ever have performance issues with 12.10?
[06:16] <bcbc2> not me
[06:16] <valorie> in general, I've seen kubuntu just get better and better through the years
[06:16] <Jack001> It always seemed slow when opening Firefox and the terminal would sometimes stop responding.
[06:17] <valorie> can't comment on gnome or unity, because I never use them for long
[06:17] <bcbc2> Jack001: I don't use firefox but didn't notice anything. Maybe you have some hardware incompatibility
[06:18] <Jack001> What browser do you use?
[06:18] <bcbc2> chrome
[06:19] <valorie> FF doesn't seem to be keeping up, while Chromium just keeps getting better
[06:19] <Jack001> Alright. Is there a quick way to check hardware incompatibility?
[06:20] <Jack001> I use chrome on windows, I've been trying to get used to ubuntu though.
[06:21] <bcbc2> I normally check the graphics card first. If you have nvidia or radeon it can affect performance and hangup unless you use the closed source drivers. Searching with your brand/model and "ubuntu freeze" is usually a good way to find issues and fixes
[06:23] <Jack001> Alright thank you again for all the help.
[06:23] <Jack001> I greatly appreciate it.
[06:25] <bcbc2> np
[06:25] <Jack001> Bye
[06:25] <bcbc2> bye
[09:19] <warren-hill> gksu and gksudo do not work in raring.  Is this a bug or a deliberate change?
[09:28] <alankila> gksu/sudo not even installed on ubuntu-gnome-desktop.
[09:31] <alankila> I don't think they are installed with the ubuntu-desktop metapackage either
[09:31] <warren-hill> In previous versions of ubuntu to edit a config file as root you would type gksu gedit path_to_file.  What should you  do in raring?
[09:32] <alankila> try installing gksu and see if that allows you to continue what you are used to doing
[09:32] <warren-hill> It doesn't.  It asks for a password but doesn't accept mine
[09:33] <warren-hill> I can go to a terminal type sudo -i then use only command line apps but nothing with a GUI
[09:33] <alankila> perhaps a problem with your sudoers configuration... Though if that is the case then you can't edit that configuration either.
[09:33] <alankila> oh sudo works? still more data. Doesn't help me to guess why gksu wouldn't work though.
[09:34] <warren-hill> I have read that gksu is depreciated in favour of pkexec but can't find clear instructions on how to use it
[09:36] <alankila> It should be 'pkexec program arguments'...
[09:36] <alankila> I have that program but I tried to fire up gedit and it couldn't open X display suggesting that there's some setup it didn't do. Sorry, I know very little of this.
[09:37] <warren-hill> I've tried it too same response.  I'll come back later when with some luck one of the developers is arround.  They are sometimes
[10:28] <Kalidarn> probably not on the sudoers list
[10:28] <Kalidarn> or in the sudo group
[11:13] <moppers> hi all
[11:14] <moppers> i am running raring in a VM, the display is much slower than Precise VM --- is this just vbox, or is it raring?
[11:15] <moppers> i notice the animations, for example the fade-in/fade-out when opening the dash, are slower: can i turn these off?
[11:18] <moppers> It's almost un-usable
[11:53] <moppers> does raring not have a 2d mode or something for machines without a newer GPU?
[12:00] <moppers> It seems to work but the graphical performance is awful
[12:05] <moppers> ok i see it's using LLVMPipe
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:10] <zach> Hey everyone. About a month and a half ago I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on a new macbook pro. At the time I was having some issues with crashes, but I've since fixed them. The only thing that I cannot seem to get working at this point is sound.
[14:16] <zach> Also, when I try to run gnome-alsamixer I get a seg fault
[14:18] <zach> When I list sinks in pacmd the only sink it can find is HDMI (name: <alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.hdmi-stereo>) but I'm not sure if that is because Apple does some crazy stuff and somehow hides the normal sound output. (I have no idea how hardware works).
[14:20] <zach> When I do sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav no sound happens, but the program exits successfully
[14:23] <zach> Interestingly (at least to me) I get this when I do sudo aplay -l
[14:23] <zach> https://gist.github.com/zachaysan/e3894ea0168ab6d06627
[14:28] <zach> I will be back, I am going to try restarting after reinstalling some packages
[14:30] <zach> I am back, that did not work
[14:39] <zach> Can anyone hear me?
[14:39] <adamk> Yes.
[15:00] <mrjoel> desperately trying to get my touchscreen to support 2-finger scrolling.  Everything I can find on the web is pertaining to touchpads, not touchscreens.  My xinput for the device(3M 3M MicroTouch USB controller) is reporting evdev wheel emulation, but I can't figure out the right settings.
[15:05] <zach> ok I got alsamixer to stop segfaulting
[15:06] <zach> but I am at my wits end. The card looks like it is there. The drivers look like they are fine. Everything should be playing sound just fine. I just don't see the sound icon on the top right hand side.
[15:06] <zach> Would it help if I reinstalled ubuntu completely?
[15:29] <genii-around> Could someone using Kubuntu please check: To have Firefox open minimized, open Ksnapshot, "take another shot" , rectangular region, maximize Firefox. Here, (every time) Firefox goes totally blank grey and has to eventually be killed.
[15:30] <genii-around> I haven't yet filed a bug because I'd like to see if it affects others first.
[15:32] <bean> !kubuntu
[15:35] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I use prntscrn but FF crashes if minimized here , with "could not find firefox" error message
[15:36] <BluesKaj> but afterxing the dialogs FF is available agian
[15:36] <BluesKaj> genii-around,^  , I'll install ksnapshot and try with that
[15:37] <IdleOne> genii-around: just tested and firefox is fine here
[15:38] <genii-around> Bleh, mixed results :(
[15:38] <IdleOne> genii-around: still worth filling a bug if you are able to reproduce every time
[15:39] <genii-around> IdleOne: Yeah, there isn't one filed yet for this, i checked earlier
[15:39] <IdleOne> you are fully updated?
[15:41] <IdleOne> are you actually taking a snapshot?
[15:42] <IdleOne> and saving?
[15:44] <IdleOne> nope, can't seem to reproduce for you.
[15:45] <genii-around> IdleOne: Fully updated, yes ( dist-upgrade 2 hours ago). When ksnapshot first opens it has a fullpage capture available to save, I don't bother saving that. Then i have it set for a rectangular region, 5 second delay. No matter if I get a section of something already on the screen  or maximize another app to grab a section, I save that. Then maximizing FF it has only grey field for background and is unresponsive ( even after I close ksnapshot),
[15:45] <genii-around>  it eventually has to be manually killed and restarted.
[15:46] <genii-around> Installing firefox-dbg and some other stuff to get a better report
[15:49] <IdleOne> so you start with a  minimised FF right?
[15:50] <IdleOne> even with 5 sec delay I am still fine.
[15:57] <prappl93> I'm trying to install my AMD drivers for my graphics, and it fails giving me an error involving headers. I tried updating the headers, and it says it's the newest version.
[15:57] <prappl93> I check for the file, and version.h is not there, the one it is searching for.
[15:58] <prappl93> So, is there a fix for this or do I have to wait?
[16:00] <genii-around> IdleOne: Are you using standard Task Manager or Icon-Only ?
[16:01] <IdleOne> I have no idea what that means lol
[16:01] <IdleOne> starting ksnapshot with alt-f2
[16:02] <genii-around> IdleOne: The default task manager usually shows the name of the running application on the bar, the icon-only one is just it's icon there ( that's the one I'm using)
[16:02] <IdleOne> oh default
[16:03] <genii-around> I'm starting ksnapshot from the K menu
[16:03] <IdleOne> lemme try
[16:04] <IdleOne> nope
[16:04] <IdleOne> all good here
[16:07] <BluesKaj> genii-around, now that ksnapshot is properly installed , FF etc all work fine
[16:09] <prappl93> My AMD drivers won't install properly on Raring. I keep getting an error that reads "fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers. /lib/module/3.8.0-19-generic/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system." I have tried uninstalling and re-installing the headers for 3.8.0-19, and it has not worked.
[16:15] <genii-around> wth. Now the (FF) icon is staying on the bar and when clicked opens it up again as if it's minimized but ps does not show it at all.
[16:15]  * genii-around makes more coffee and contemplates
[16:16] <genii-around> Back in a bit
[16:17] <IdleOne> he needs to unplug his pc so he can plug in the coffee maker hehe
[16:18] <wilee-nilee> real men use a french press. ;)
[16:18] <BluesKaj> he has a coffeemaker plugged in to the pc PSU :)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> real men don't use french anything :)
[16:19] <wilee-nilee> oiu
[16:20] <wilee-nilee> oui Doh
[16:22] <IdleOne> Real men aren't afraid to be a little French
[16:22] <IdleOne> I don't what that means :/
[16:22] <BluesKaj> getting some odd errors every second boot in to 13.04 , then i have to do a hard reboot because the bootup freezes
[16:22] <IdleOne> I don't know*
[16:25] <BluesKaj> not afraid , just not crazy about french anything ...I owned a Peugeot 504 once , that was enough :)
[16:29] <IdleOne> coffee is ready
[16:33] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta test grub again ...bbiab
[16:42] <genii-around> Mm, coffee
[16:54] <genii-around> Whats really weird, is now I have the debugging libraries installed, it's not doing it.
[16:54] <genii-around> Whereas previously, every time.
[17:17] <moppers> ubuntu doesn't have mkinitrd? no hits in package search
[17:18] <wilee-nilee> moppers, What release are you running?
[17:19] <moppers> wilee-nilee, 12.10
[17:21] <wilee-nilee> moppers, this is the 13.04 channel only.
[17:21] <moppers> wilee-nilee, it's OK i saw your message in the +0 channel
[17:21] <wilee-nilee> cool
[17:21] <moppers> i am building a new kernel for raring on a 12.10 box
[17:23] <moppers> trying to work out why raring is so slow for me, that's all
[17:23] <moppers> and also learning how to build a kernel
[17:23] <moppers> i think the speed issue is they require a fancy GPU now and if you don't have one, llvmpipe is slow
[17:24] <moppers> figured i would do the kernel anway, even though it's irrelevant, as i need to learn how to do it
[17:26] <BluesKaj> moppers, I'm using dual core amd cpu and 3G Ramon a 5yr old pc , and 13.04 is actually faster than 12,10 , given the same conditions
[17:27] <BluesKaj> of course I don'
[17:27] <BluesKaj> t use unity/gnome
[17:27] <BluesKaj> kde here
[17:49] <gatox> hi..... i'm having problems with several raring images..... i've created a startup usb..... and i've try lot of combinations, using live cd, direct install, and choosing different options in the installer wizard...... but the installer GETS STUCK always in the second screen.... in the Wireless part..... does anyone know this issue?
[17:51] <newlinuxusr> heloooooo all
[17:52] <newlinuxusr> any download links for 13.04 ?
[17:52] <newlinuxusr> loooooooooooooooooo
[17:53] <genii-around> newlinuxusr: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[17:53]  * genii-around goes back to his coffee
[17:53] <newlinuxusr> mate is this stable one or beta 2
[17:55] <AndroUser2> I installed fglrx yesterday and did not get it to work. After some dicussion here i was adwised to do a reboot.  Now unity will not load after login. I went to bash? Ctrl alt F2 and purged fglrx. It was installed from software center. I need help to get my desktop back.
[18:00] <genii-around> newlinuxusr: This is the daily live CD as the URL indicates.
[18:01] <newlinuxusr> k
[18:01] <newlinuxusr> i ll wait for distrowatch i think lol
[18:11] <deav> Is 13.04 available via dist-upgrade?
[18:11] <AndroUser2> Is there no one able to help here?
[18:27] <genii-around> deav: No, requires do-release-upgrade -d
[18:29] <wilee-nilee> Make sure any 3rd party repos are off though
[18:30] <BluesKaj> AndroUser2, reboot ,  the default driver should load and get you back to a desktop at least
[18:33] <AndroUser2> BluesKaj: done that. Login screen is fine. But after login ubuntu will not load
[18:34] <AndroUser2> As after first reboot
[18:35] <AndroUser2> I get access to file browsing and system setting
[18:35] <BluesKaj> AndroUser2, install xserver-xorg-video-ati at the tty , that should get you back to a desktop
[18:36] <AndroUser2> Ill try that
[18:37] <bjsnider> he already has it, and is using it
[18:38] <AndroUser2> Yes. 0 files to install
[18:38] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, it should load the desktop then
[18:38] <bjsnider> it should
[18:38] <AndroUser2> Desktop loads but unity not
[18:39] <bjsnider> .xsession-errors
[18:39] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:40] <BluesKaj> bbl
[18:43] <AndroUser2> So what do i do now? The easiest would be a reinstall. But i have limited net traffic using a mobile modem
[18:43] <AndroUser2> So downloading lates iso and reinstalling al apps break my traffic limit for the month
[18:57] <tor_> i am androuser2. i managaed to open .xsession error log and then managed to open xchat. now it seems like i am not able to minimize xchat and get access to gedit (the error log) and firefox to post a pastebin
[18:58] <tor_> alt tab not working
[19:00] <BluesKaj> what about alt +f2 , type firefox
[19:00] <tor_> nope
[19:01] <tor_> that is how i started xchat
[19:01] <tor_> but stupid me maximized xchat and now it is stuck
[19:02] <BluesKaj> try ctrl -
[19:02] <tor_> nottin
[19:03] <BluesKaj> esc
[19:03] <tor_> nope
[19:04] <tor_> when i press the minimize button the xchat menu/frame just gray out (out of focus)
[19:04] <BluesKaj> ctrl esc should bring up sys monitor
[19:04] <tor_> ctrl esc not working either
[19:04] <tor_> ill do a reboot and try again
[19:10] <AndroUser2> Now i do not find xsession error log
[19:18] <AndroUser2> Searched xsession and error in separate searches
[19:19] <AndroUser2> Also alt F2 did not respond
[19:19] <AndroUser2> Sorry it is ctrl alt t?
[19:24] <Guest19945> is there a command to open aplications not maximized?
[19:24] <Guest19945> it is me tor_
[19:24] <Guest19945> interminal
[19:24] <Guest19945> in terminal
[19:35] <AndroUser2> Is there a operator to open apps not maximized?
[19:35] <AndroUser2> From terminal
[19:54] <tor_> i finally made it. here is a pastebin of xsession error log: http://pastebin.com/zJPrd2Cz
[19:57] <bjsnider> obviously line 48 is the problem
[20:13]  * BluesKaj thinks having to use compiz is the problem  :}\
[20:16] <AndroUser2> How do i disable compiz? And  how to revert system later?
[20:30] <AndroUser2> Let me rephrase how to start/enable opengl
[20:32] <tor_> Let me rephrase how to start/enable opengl
[20:32] <tor_> ?
[20:34] <k1l> is the right driver running?
[20:35] <tor_> well i do not know
[20:36] <tor_> i installed fglrx and hell broke loose. i then purged it but still same issue
[20:42] <bjsnider> that's because fglrx was never running, so it never contributed anything to the problem
[20:45] <tor_> ok, i still dont understand a thing here.
[20:46] <tor_> fglrx must have something to do with the problem it was after installing it real problems started
[20:46] <bjsnider> thought it started after you upgraded to raring?
[20:48] <tor_> never upgraded. it was a clean install. there really should be a fool(tor_) proof system for reverting misfunctioning drivers and other system reliable stuff
[20:48] <tor_> i had problems with the clean install
[20:48] <tor_> but it was peanuts compared to this
[20:49] <tor_> i got freezes, and sometimes gui was slow or hanging
[20:49] <tor_> but everything "worked"
[20:57] <tor_> i was a fool to belive that a driver found in the software center actually would do good. this is my first computer with ATI graphics  so it is also a new experience and notting seems to be like it used to with NVIDIA
[21:07] <AndroUser2> Is it nottin for me to do?
[21:15] <AndroUser2> If i download latest iso. Is there an option to repair ubuntu?
[22:18] <tor_> Is there a chance to get my driver issue or what it is fixed, or shall i just stop asking for help here?
[22:19] <tor_> *get=fix
[22:20] <tor_> Sorry. Never mind my bad english.
[22:39] <tor_> Ok, thank you. Guess Microsoft is the best way to go where one can get support and or solve problems self. You also have the same free software in the latest versions without thinkin about broken this or dependency that. Ubuntu is if you want the best of it for Ubuntu developers only. I dont like the more and more commercial approach in Ubuntu anyway. Elder and old hardware not supported anymore and all sorts of shopping integrations in
[22:39] <tor_> Had to get it out ;)
[22:40] <k1l> tor_: :(
[22:40] <k1l> why do you try a developing release if you are that unexperienced with that topic?
[22:41] <tor_> It was one day to stable when i installed it
[22:41] <k1l> ?
[22:41] <tor_> I presumed it was ok to give it a shot then
[22:42] <tor_> Installed 17.
[22:42] <k1l> 13.04 is still not released
[22:42] <k1l> it will be released on the 25.4.
[22:42] <tor_> 18. Was set to freese kernel and be stable
[22:42] <genii-around> tor_: Only LTS versions which are released every two years are really considered to be stable, and hence supported for a long time. Interim releases even after released are only really stepping-stones to the next Long-Term-Support release.
[22:43] <k1l> tor_: sorry but you have no clue :/
[22:43] <genii-around> ( and 13.04 is not even in release until Thursday)
[22:44] <tor_> The LTS is supporting the newest versions of apps i want
[22:45] <tor_> Is no supporting*
[22:45] <tor_> Not
[22:47] <tor_> In windows i get the latest version of any app in any version of win. Well im tired of waiting  an toubling to get things working. Maybe i have no clue and stupid is....
[22:47] <IdleOne> newest is not equal to most stable
[22:48] <k1l> tor_: wait. you want ubuntu to have the latest versions on stock but in windows its ok to download them somewhere else?
[22:48] <k1l> tor_: if you are that good in the topics install the right video driver and the gui will work
[22:49] <tor_> It works fawless in windows
[22:49] <tor_> In 12.04 i was stuck with 2.6 gimp ie.
[22:49] <IdleOne> If Windows works better for you I suggest you use Windows.
[22:50] <tor_> Just my conclution
[22:50] <tor_> To bad
[22:50] <tor_> Too bad
[22:51] <genii-around> tor_: Gimp 2.8 is available for Ubuntu 12.10, you don't need to be running 13.04 for that
[22:51] <tor_> I was running 12.04 and skipped 12.10
[22:53] <jtaylor> no one stops you from installing newer software on 12.04
[22:53] <jtaylor> you just might end up in a garbled mess like in windows if you don'T do it in an organized fashion
[22:54] <jtaylor> the best approach is to backport packages
[22:54] <jtaylor> and if it works well request an official backport so others can profit from your testing
[22:54] <tor_> No but it involves terminal. Detpendency trouble and broken packages.
[22:55] <tor_> I want to use ubuntu. Not do troubleshooting 90% of the time
[22:55] <k1l> then dont use developing builds
[22:55] <tor_> I dont have the skills or interest
[22:56] <jtaylor> unfortunately then you have to stick with LTS
[22:56] <k1l> so you can rant about ubuntu all day or start repairing your ubuntu.
[22:56] <jtaylor> sticking with the bleeding edge is always constant fixing
[22:57] <tor_> Just dont understand why it is so hard to get help
[22:58] <IdleOne> it isn't, you do need to ask an actual question though.
[22:58] <tor_> I test a beta jes
[22:58] <tor_> Yes
[22:58] <k1l> tor_: last time now: this is a developing release. users are considered to help themselves in the first place
[22:58] <tor_> I send error reports with apport
[22:59] <k1l> if you are not able to help yourself in the first place use stable releases. thats it
[22:59] <tor_> Ok. I see: write so on the download page
[23:01] <jtaylor> whats the actual problem?
[23:01] <jtaylor> it doesn't boot into X?
[23:02] <tor_> Installed fglrx and now unity will not work/load
[23:03] <jtaylor> what do you get?
[23:03] <jtaylor> a purple background?
[23:03] <k1l> installed the headers? did the module build right? what is the error? is the module loaded?
[23:03] <tor_> If you can go back in the history of the  channel you see
[23:03] <k1l> anyway. im out
[23:04] <tor_> Im on a phone now
[23:05] <jtaylor> fwiw I recently replaced nvidia drivers with opensource drivers and unity did not start properly
[23:05] <jtaylor> though lighdm and x was working fine
[23:05] <tor_> What do i do then?
[23:05] <jtaylor> I removed ~/.config/compiz ~/./config/unity and ~/./config/gtk* and it worked again
[23:06] <jtaylor> you might lose some settings like the launcher ordering and locking when you do that
[23:07] <tor_> No oroblem
[23:08] <tor_> I tried to reinstall fglrx. Do i have to purge it first again?
[23:09] <jtaylor> if x starts alright probably not
[23:12] <tor_> There is no ~/config/unity
[23:12] <jtaylor> yeah, no idea where it stores its config
[23:12] <tor_> But unity tweak too
[23:12] <tor_> l
[23:12] <jtaylor> probably compiz-1 and the gtk folders where enough
[23:13] <jtaylor> I just deleted everything that might be related and I know I have not customized myself
[23:16] <tor_> It is still the same
[23:17] <jtaylor> can't help then
[23:17] <jtaylor> I must also leave, bye
[23:18] <tor_> Ok. Thanks
[23:21] <tor_> And thanks for beeing polite and tell you are leaving.
[23:35] <Guest80163> ok, found a solution. even though it nvidia related i thinkhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1166765 solution:  gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins
[23:35] <Guest80163> pure luck i found it though
[23:36] <Guest80163> i am tor_ BTW
[23:39] <tor_> Did a reboot and it still is good. Happy
[23:40] <tor_> It is gonna be quiet here when i leave now. :)
[23:40] <tor_> He he
[23:50] <troulouliou_dev> hi is there anybody that worked on secureboot for 13.04 hre ?
[23:53] <wilee-nilee> troulouliou_dev, Have you looked at the UEFI wiki?
[23:54] <troulouliou_dev> wilee-nilee, yeah pretty much everywhere :) i think my laptop does nothave the recomended key
[23:54] <troulouliou_dev> secureboot mode don'tboot on 12.10 andi m facinf graphical glitches with sb kernel
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> troulouliou_dev, I would use the ubuntu forums the support for UEFI is best there, it is a hit and miss thing as far as installs
[23:54] <troulouliou_dev> just hope that 13.04 will help
[23:55] <troulouliou_dev> wilee-nilee, yes need to do that since 2 week :)
[23:55] <troulouliou_dev> just busy finding back the pwd :)
[23:56] <wilee-nilee> files with wrong names at times and manufacturers own versions make it tougher ai times then others.
[23:56] <troulouliou_dev> reallyhope itwill be stable on 13.04 sb will be mandatory at work soon
[23:56] <troulouliou_dev> wilee-nilee, you have particular knowledgein sb ?
[23:56] <wilee-nilee> troulouliou_dev, Nope but I know who does, they are at the ubuntu forums. ;)
[23:57] <troulouliou_dev> ;)
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> troulouliou_dev, Post there and wait for a user called oldfred


[00:17] <GyrosGeier> hi
[00:17] <GyrosGeier> https://jenkins.simonrichter.eu/job/windows-kicad-msvc-head/
[00:18] <GyrosGeier> I have failing builds because the git server on LP only manages to count 30,000 objects in ten minutes during a pull, and doesn't even reach the "compressing objects" stage
[00:18] <GyrosGeier> any idea what might cause this?
[00:58] <wgrant> GyrosGeier: I've hopefully just fixed that.
[00:58] <wgrant> GyrosGeier: The git service is a bit slow atm until we can expand its capacity after the EOY break, but hopefully it's a lot better now.
[01:56] <GyrosGeier> wgrant, yes, worked, thanks!
[01:56] <GyrosGeier> at some point I should probably also move away from Jenkins so it doesn't pull the same code five times :/
[19:05] <santa_> cjwatson, wgrant: good evening, would be possible to increase the size of this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~panfaust/+archive/ubuntu/0ad-exp/
[19:06] <santa_> there was a release a few days ago which wasn't packaged yet in the wildfire games ppa yet:
[19:06] <santa_> https://launchpad.net/~wfg/+archive/ubuntu/0ad
[19:07] <santa_> so I would like to package it and maybe offer myself to help with the packaging in the wildfire "official" PPA
[19:07] <santa_> but the packages are too big XD
[21:20] <teward> should I be concerned when I get a 403 on a PPA I upload to (with apt-get update giving the 403)


[10:44] <juliux> hi
[11:06] <jpatrick> hey there juliux
[11:08] <Tm_T> hi kids
[11:13] <Tm_T> juliux: hmmm, hi
[11:16] <Tm_T> juliux: your nick reminds me something, like, finnish loco, shirts, etc ;)
[13:26] <juliux> Tm_T, i am still waiting for an valid address
[13:26] <juliux> Tm_T, the last package came back to me
[13:26] <encryptz> erUSUL: connection issues?
[13:35] <erUSUL> encryptz: yep; router reset O;)
[16:30] <juliux> LjL, ping
[16:52] <Tm_T> juliux: whattaa, ok, one moment
[16:53] <juliux> Tm_T, so if you give me a valid address..
[16:53] <Tm_T> juliux: working on it
[16:55] <Tm_T> juliux: precise enough? http://www.tm-travolta.net/tekstit/juliux.txt
[16:55] <juliux> Tm_T, looks good
[16:55] <juliux> i will resend it tomorrow
[16:55] <Tm_T> thanks and sorry for all trouble
[18:36] <juliux> is it possible to get an ubuntu-de cloack for the german ubuntu community?
[18:37] <LjL-Temp> no, cloaks are the same for everyone
[18:38] <juliux> LjL-Temp, the idea was to have /ubuntu-de/user/<nick>
[18:38] <juliux> or /ubuntu-de/supporter/<nick> for good supporters
[18:39] <LjL-Temp> i don't think that would be possible
[18:39] <juliux> why?
[18:39] <juliux> ;)
[18:40] <ompaul> juliux, it was decided that ubuntu cloaks would be "flat" that is /ubuntu/member/ or nothing
[18:40] <juliux> ompaul, ok
[18:40] <ompaul> membership is granted on the back of sustained effort
[18:40] <LjL-Temp> and that is mostly to avoid fragmentations resulting in differentiations i believe
[18:41] <ompaul> juliux, as you know ;-)
[18:41] <juliux> i know;)
[18:42] <juliux> and if we register ubuntu-de as a GFC?
[18:42] <juliux> GCF
[18:42] <encryptz> it would get declined. ubuntu is registered as an umbrella to all ubuntu-related projects
[18:42] <LjL-Temp> err... aside from the fact that we have ubuntu* registered, isn't that a little... separatist? :P
[18:43] <juliux> i am asking bevor i do something
[18:43] <juliux> so don't worry


[00:22] <hads> Hmm, it seems the GMA500 chipset drivers are dodgy
[00:24] <hads> That will be the video card problems you were talking about chilts
[00:25] <hads> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_500_on_Linux
[00:28] <ojwb> not so good
[00:34] <hads> No, I think that puts me off. If it doesn't work out of the box it's probably too much effort.
[00:39] <ibeardslee> make sure you let them know that is why
[00:39] <ibeardslee> might not be able to change the way they do things
[00:41] <ajmitch> poulsbo chipset?
[00:42] <hads> Yeah
[00:42] <hads> I will tell them, I imagine they've heard it before. I bet they got stung by it too, they used to provide Ubuntu as an option and I wondered why they stopped, that's probably the reason.
[00:43] <hads> Man it's annoying finding pre built systems to run Linux. So often something like this comes up and throws a spanner in the works.
[00:44] <ojwb> wonder if the preinstalled mint works
[00:44] <ojwb> it'd still be useful for non-video applications, but you're probably paying extra for hardware you aren't using
[00:45] <hads> Surely it would, though there seem to be many tales of the proprietry bits causing upgrade issues.
[03:41]  * thumper is upgrading laptop to natty
[03:41] <thumper> about 16 hours remaining to download packages
[03:41] <thumper> although it ranges from 5 - 16 hours
[03:41] <thumper> server however won't
[03:42] <thumper> as it thinks there is a checksum failure on the partner repository
[03:43] <ibeardslee> ouch
[03:52] <ojwb> who wants the partner repo though...
[03:52] <ajmitch> thumper: that seems a bit off
[03:52] <ajmitch> even on a bad day I wouldn't think it'd take that long to download packages
[03:52] <ojwb> dear me, it must be close to release day
[03:52] <ojwb> how time flies
[03:53] <thumper> beta time
[03:53] <thumper> well, beta RSN
[03:54] <snail> we need a bittorrent-like protocol that works well in situations like this
[03:54] <ojwb> there have been ideas
[03:54] <ojwb> the tricky part is that bittorrent works well for larger files than the typical package
[03:55] <snail> bittorrent works really well for huge (>5GB) isolated files rather than collections of middling files
[03:57] <ojwb> yeah
[03:57] <ojwb> so you could bittorrent a pack of the essential packages for a new release usefully
[03:58] <ojwb> though if you pay by data transferred, bittorrent isn't so appealing
[03:59] <snail> ojwb: oh yes it is
[04:01] <ojwb> well, it doesn't appeal much to me...
[04:01] <ojwb> if I ran a mirror I'd feel differently
[04:01] <snail> bitorrent means would mean we wouldn't have to re-ftp a 1400MB PDF whose transfer time rivaled out network's mean-time-between-failures
[04:02] <ojwb> for package upgrades I mean
[04:02] <ojwb> but you can continue transfers for FTP can't you?
[04:02] <ojwb> or using PASV
[04:03] <ojwb> oh MTBF, not timeout
[04:05] <snail> ojwb: yes, what you say holds true for all but the largest of packages
[19:38] <ajmitch> morning
[19:56] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:56] <ibeardslee> karora: still heading up to mix it with the poor people?
[20:01] <snail> morning
[20:01] <snail> the poor people?
[20:04] <ibeardslee> http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/internetnz-slashes-price-of-nethui
[20:04] <karora> Heh.
[20:04] <karora> Yeah, I think I shall.
[20:04] <karora> I should fit right in :-)
[20:04] <karora> How about you?
[20:06] <ibeardslee> unlikely
[20:07] <ajmitch> that's quite a price difference
[20:08] <ibeardslee> very
[20:09] <ajmitch> http://uds.ubuntu.com/ <-- what I'd like to go to in may, but would cost just a bit much :)
[20:11] <ibeardslee> sigh yeah .. must buy lotto ticket
[20:11] <ajmitch> heh
[20:22] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: as long as you promise to sponsor a few of us to go to UDS :)
[20:25] <ibeardslee> hell, I'd take the whole of #ubuntu-nz
[20:26] <ibeardslee> or even better .. organise one for NZ
[20:26] <ajmitch> that could still cost quite a lot
[20:27] <ibeardslee> still be plenty of change from the $27mil
[21:52] <Atamira> morena