[08:34] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfburn 0.6.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfburn-0-6-0-released-tp56418.html (by Rene Kjellerup)
[09:15] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Workaround menu handling errors in pyxdg (LP: #1833863) @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=7b9ad09a7408895b76028dc110c7c7373aeabfa0 (by Sean Davis)
[09:47] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Move live config files to debian/live; Remove lock menu option in live since locking is disabled (LP... @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=a2b3677aae988b469c7ad6a7eaad25590d5b2bd9 (by Sean Davis)
[10:01] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Remove light-locker autostart entry since we no longer ship it @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=8d4d61392f385d01176b3d4162d77d80c89bfe8c (by Sean Davis)
[10:14] <Unit193> ..Won't that cause co-install with x-d-s issues?
[10:16] <bluesabre> Which one?
[10:18] <Unit193> whisker.
[10:20] <bluesabre> ah, dang, you're probably right about that
[10:23] <bluesabre> Guess I could install that into skel instead
[10:23] <bluesabre> hacky but less conflicty, right? :)
[11:15] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Install whiskermenu override to /etc/skel/.config/xfce4/panel/ @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=3501c1211a7ad760b2fd1646b01160ab126a9a7c (by Sean Davis)
[11:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: thoughts on Thunar's breadcrumb pathbar by default?
[11:29] <Unit193> Dunno, guess I should look at it.
[11:31] <bluesabre> I'm also surprised that thunar-shares-plugin isn't packaged... was it at one time?
[11:38] <Unit193> I pushed it to extras.
[11:39] <bluesabre> aha
[11:39] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Version bump to 20.04, unreleased @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=21c71281f4646bd7c9336f748a297d8005fc03a0 (by Sean Davis)
[11:39] <Unit193> So, sort of but not in any real repos.
[11:39] <bluesabre> right
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[18:16] <bluesabre> It's cool to see some fresh translations rolling into https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/+translations
[18:17] <bluesabre> Unit193: do you have any BSD familiarity? If so, do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1565330 is still applicable?
[18:17] <Unit193> Is UbuntuBSD still a thing...?
[18:17] <bluesabre> No ideaaaaaa
[18:20] <Unit193> I don't like changing it from all to any. :/
[18:22] <Unit193> It's dead, Jim.
[18:22] <bluesabre> Cool
[18:23] <Unit193> > SF.net project hasn't been updated since '16, same for Twitter, nxdomain on the site, IRC lists 16.04 BETA1 as latest release.
[18:23] <bluesabre> Handy
[18:23] <bluesabre> Another bug to close out :)
[18:24] <bluesabre> thanks Unit193
[18:35] <Unit193> Does this mean I should stop slacking? :3
[18:36] <bluesabre> Nah, you're fine. I ask a question, you give the right answer, what more can I ask for? :D
[18:36] <Unit193> As I see it: Not a lot of uploads to do since we're *not* going to pull in 4.15.
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[19:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: yup, definitely fair. I'll have to start pushing out some 4.14.x releases instead ;)
[19:24] <Unit193> Ahaha. :D
[19:48] <keremet> hello. can anybody give me a link to article how to build xubuntu installation image?
[22:03] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, no 4.15 plz :)
[22:22] <brainwash> bluesabre: I'm a bit confused.. you removed the screen lock entry from whiskermenu?
[22:22] <brainwash> for the live session
[22:23] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes, screen lock is disabled in the live session, so the button should not be visible
[22:23] <brainwash> I was under the impression that xfce4-screensaver does not ask for the user name, so unlocking the live session would only require the user to press a button
[22:24] <brainwash> with light-locker the user had to provide the user name
[22:24] <brainwash> "xubuntu"
[22:25] <bluesabre> Right, but it will still present a password prompt, and from the lock screen you could click "switch user" to go back to the greeter
[22:26] <bluesabre> Figure it's better to not show confusing things as our first impression
[22:26] <bluesabre> (but also happy to discuss)
[22:26] <brainwash> my concern was that hiding it would be confusing too
[22:27] <brainwash> sometimes users are asked to test screenlocking with the live session
[22:27] <brainwash> to see if it a bug with their normal installation
[22:27] <brainwash> or, people just want to check how the lock screen looks like
[22:29] <bluesabre> So maybe, we instead enable locking and show the button, but disable lock on suspend and timeout to avoid surprise locks?
[22:29] <brainwash> but those are not surprise locks
[22:30] <brainwash> that is how the system works
[22:30] <brainwash> when installed
[22:30] <brainwash> it says "Try Xubuntu" when you boot the ISO
[22:30] <brainwash> :D
[22:31] <bluesabre> True, but asking for a password when a user has never set one is ehhhhhh
[22:31] <bluesabre> :)
[22:32] <brainwash> uhm
[22:32] <brainwash> I just tested it
[22:32] <brainwash> it unlocks the screen without any input
[22:33] <brainwash> black, brief unlock dialog, desktop
[22:33] <bluesabre> interesting
[22:33] <brainwash> because it is a passwordless account?
[22:34] <bluesabre> Yeah, I think there might be something in the code for that scenario
[22:34] <bluesabre> Or, it crashed
[22:35] <brainwash> works as expected after setting a password
[22:35] <bluesabre> Neat
[22:36] <brainwash> my idea: no password -> show unlock dialog with input field hidden
[22:40] <bluesabre> Mind creating a bug report for that one on bugzilla? Not going to get to it today, but I think it's a good idea
[22:41] <brainwash> okay
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[17:47] <hdon> i hope it didn't install an X server, but i took for granted that it wouldn't
[17:47] <hdon> brb
[17:47] <VFDPrim> looks like it was with fontconfig
[17:47] <daftykins> hdon: no need, either look at "apt-cache showpkg <packagename>" for what it depends on / visit packages.ubuntu.com as it might provide the same info
[17:48] <daftykins> VFDPrim: pastebin any errors in the output
[17:48] <Pici> vicatcu: your syslog says that the script ran.  Why do you think it didnt... Also, I'm not familiar with that command, but you may want to specify absolute paths for those log files, they may be outputting themselves somewhere you don't want.
[17:48] <VFDPrim> daftykins: no idea what that means
[17:48] <daftykins> VFDPrim: share them via http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:49] <zykotick9> daftykins: fyi, there is "apt-cache depends foo" as well as "apt-cache rdepends foo"...  hdon
[17:49] <vicatcu> ok Pici thanks, it's mysterious because the process forever is supposed to create isn't there
[17:49] <VFDPrim> oh this is on another computer new upload
[17:49] <vicatcu> i'm going to try something different pm2
[17:49] <olzhas> Xubuntu 14.04: Decrease in CPU performance upon charging a laptop. (On battery and after the charge, there is no problem.) What might be a problem?
[17:49] <daftykins> zykotick9: neat, thanks
[17:50] <__cyber> Hi, I'm seeing a somewhat older version of a package (redmine), is launchpad an appropriate place to request the maintainer update?
[17:50] <daftykins> olzhas: i'd compare the CPU clocks during charge, could be a power management quirk.
[17:50] <AniByte> Ok
[17:50] <AniByte> I have this question
[17:50] <AniByte> Say i got the /etc/apt directory of a previous install
[17:50] <daftykins> AniByte: put it on one line to reduce spam please
[17:50] <AniByte> How can i apt-get install all the packages that were installedo n that install.
[17:51] <daftykins> AniByte: you wiped it already? would've been better to create a package list.
[17:51] <Pici> vicatcu: also, you may want to ensure that PATH is setup properly for that task, since cron runs in a little bit of a weird environment, you may not actually be running that executable at all. Also consider adding a  >/root/somelog.log 2>&1  to the end of the cron line to see if it is reporting anything to stderr or stdout.
[17:51] <__xvt> _cyber launchpad should be fine to place a request, unless the maintainer has officially stated otherwise.
[17:51] <AniByte> daftykins, Did not choose to wipe it
[17:51] <OerHeks> __cyber, wily got the latest redmine 3 https://launchpad.net/redmine
[17:51] <VFDPrim> paste.ubuntu.com/13864554
[17:51] <AniByte> It crashed
[17:51] <AniByte> Well i chrooted into the backup
[17:51] <daftykins> AniByte: please reduce the enter key presses.
[17:51] <vicatcu> Pici cool ty for the advice
[17:51] <VFDPrim> www.paste.ubuntu.com/13864554
[17:52] <VFDPrim> guess that didnt work
[17:52] <VFDPrim> guess you will have to cut and paste first link
[17:52] <VFDPrim> sorry about that
[17:53] <daftykins> AniByte: in a chroot you can perform a "dpkg --get-selections > file" to get all the packages then restore them
[17:54] <AniByte> daftykins, Was already ahead of ya ;)
[17:54] <AniByte> This is why i love linux.
[17:54] <AniByte> So easy to restore sheit,
[17:55] <daftykins> AniByte: don't use that language in here and for the third time stop spamming with enter key presses.
[17:55] <__cyber> OerHeks: I'm seeing version 3.0-20140825 there? am I looking in the right place?
[17:55] <VFDPrim> deftykins: did you see my link
[17:56] <daftykins> yep looking now
[17:56] <VFDPrim> daftykins* thanks just wanted to make sure i know your helping others to
[17:56] <OerHeks> __cyber, there are 4 supported versions, not sure how new you want it, http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/Download
[17:57] <__cyber> Yes, I see the redmine.org versions.. I'm not seeing how they line up to actual apt packages..
[17:57] <daftykins> VFDPrim: so you haven't rebooted yet i take it?
[17:57] <VFDPrim> nope its sitting right there as you saw it
[17:58] <VFDPrim> yesterday it kept dropping the screen so i plugged in a actual mouse and keyboard (was using wirless) and retryed the update and thats what it came up with
[17:59] <daftykins> !info lsb-base
[17:59] <Doonz> Hey everyone, how do i add a back up gateway to my ethernet config?
[18:00] <daftykins> VFDPrim: hmm, did you follow standard advice and remove all PPAs + proprietary drivers before running the upgrade?
[18:00] <VFDPrim> nope i just did the usual update
[18:00] <VFDPrim> then released upgrade
[18:01] <daftykins> what do you mean? i need to be sure what method you used...
[18:01] <VFDPrim> sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:01] <VFDPrim> do-release-upgrade
[18:02] <littlebear> VFDPrim: hm. intereting, never used do-release-upgrade I've always sudo aptitude dist-upgrade -y
[18:02] <daftykins> VFDPrim: hit enter then pastebin running "sudo apt-get -f install"
[18:02] <VFDPrim> yea i went off the website http://askubuntu.com/questions/588019/how-to-upgrade-from-14-10-to-15-04
[18:03] <VFDPrim> ok going to hit enter
[18:03] <whitehat> hi group.  trying to get a Digium TDM410 card to work. Results are here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13864840/ No response from channel 1, i.e. FXS. Ideas? Thank you.
[18:04] <VFDPrim> command line option f is not known
[18:04] <VFDPrim> from (-f)
[18:05] <daftykins> VFDPrim: shouldn't be anything wrong with it
[18:06] <VFDPrim> ill retype it
[18:08] <VFDPrim> paste.ubuntu.com/13864981
[18:08] <VFDPrim> maybe you can see if i am typing something wrong
[18:08] <teward> VFDPrim: you are
[18:08] <whitehat_> hi group. trying to get a Digium TDM410 card to work. Results are here:
[18:08] <whitehat_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13864840/ No response from channel 1, i.e. FXS.
[18:08] <whitehat_> Ideas? Thank you
[18:08] <teward> VFDPrim: note in daftykins's message there's a *space character* between apt-get and -f
[18:08] <daftykins> VFDPrim: yeah you're failing pretty hard there: sudo apt-get -f install
[18:08] <daftykins> note the spaces ;)
[18:09] <SlidingHorn> VFDPrim: copy and paste this exactly, starting at sudo:          sudo apt-get -f install
[18:09] <teward> VFDPrim: and 'instull' is not 'install'
[18:09] <VFDPrim> ok will try again
[18:09] <SlidingHorn> sorry daftykins, you're apparently a lot faster than I am
[18:09] <VFDPrim> i cant coppie and past sadly its on a difrent computer
[18:09] <teward> VFDPrim: the EXACT thing you should type is this:  sudo apt-get install -f\
[18:09] <teward> erm
[18:09] <teward> VFDPrim: the EXACT thing you should type is this:  sudo apt-get install -f
[18:09] <teward> that, yeah.
[18:09] <teward> VFDPrim: no variation, no deviation, starting at the 'sudo' and going to the end of the line.
[18:09] <teward> well -f install will work too
[18:10] <teward> either mine or daftykins commands should worl
[18:10] <VFDPrim> ok after few more trys finaly got it lol one sec
[18:11] <VFDPrim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13865080
[18:12] <daftykins> you need to press enter
[18:12] <VFDPrim> enter is not a option its y/n lol
[18:12] <daftykins> yes it is.
[18:13] <VFDPrim> im guessing y
[18:13] <VFDPrim> lol
[18:13] <daftykins> see how 'Y' is capital? that's the default, so pressing just enter will say yes.
[18:13] <VFDPrim> oh ok i did not know that
[18:14] <VFDPrim> id rather have these problems then the ones i was having last night
[18:14] <VFDPrim> oh and system program problem detected
[18:14] <VFDPrim> yes i want to report it thanks for asking
[18:15] <VFDPrim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13865186
[18:16] <scrabcakes> is it possible to store your home folder on an external disk e.g. usb?
[18:17] <daftykins> VFDPrim: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/fontconfig.log"
[18:18] <SlidingHorn> scrabcakes: I'm sure it's possible, but I personally wouldn't recommend it.  Any particular reason you want to do that?
[18:18] <daftykins> yeah that'd be ridiculously slow and bad
[18:18] <scrabcakes> SlidingHorn: I'm running on chromebook so storage is very restricted
[18:19] <VFDPrim> ok now what
[18:19] <daftykins> VFDPrim: what i said above should've created a link to type here.
[18:20] <VFDPrim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13865321
[18:21] <VFDPrim> i did not see a link so i made one of what happend
[18:21] <daftykins> VFDPrim: you messed up again not putting spaces.
[18:21] <daftykins> read what i say to do VERY carefully...
[18:21] <SlidingHorn> scrabcakes: I think you'd be better served finding a cloud solution for storage.  There are a lot of problems that could arise from such a setup.  Speed *will* suffer, the drive couldn't be removed for any reason while running, you'd have to make sure your system wouldn't boot directly from it, and it'd have to power on before boot to be able to properly mount, etc.
[18:22] <SlidingHorn> ^^ just a few things to worry about
[18:22] <VFDPrim> its hard for me to tell where there is a space or not a space sorry
[18:22] <daftykins> "pastebinit  /var/log/fontconfig.log"
[18:25] <scrabcakes> SlidingHorn: I already have the usb in all the time. Although cloud may be more appropriate. Two questions though: Firstly that will surely still use however much space for the files? E.g. dropbox syncs to local folder. Secondly do you know any recommended cloud services from here? Or perhaps a better question, if I continue to use dropbox but more extensively, will they reap my files and steal all my genius thoughts? I'm
[18:25] <daftykins> we can't comment on what dropbox may or may not do.
[18:26] <Guest64776> p
[18:26] <VFDPrim> ok its still not working for me so im going to make it so i can just coppie and past so ill brb
[18:27] <Guest64776> Do speak Russia ?
[18:27] <SlidingHorn> scrabcakes: as daftykins said, we can't really say what dropbox will/won't do with your data, but for more info on some alternatives, etc. (a year-plus old, but the services still exist) check out this article: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/three-alternatives-ubuntu-one
[18:27] <SlidingHorn> !ru | Guest64776
[18:27] <akik> scrabcakes: do you have a usb 3 port in that chromebook? maybe a small usb stick would work for you
[18:28] <scrabcakes> SlidingHorn: thank you. how about my first question though regarding sync to disk?
[18:29] <Guest64776> ludi est kto iz Russia???
[18:29] <scrabcakes> akik: I have C720, a quick google says it has both? haha. I also have SD slot
[18:29] <SlidingHorn> scrabcakes: I believe the default behavior for DB is to sync, however, you could probably set it up so it doesn't store locally & just use the web interface.  That's a little outside of this channel's jurisdiction though
[18:29] <akik> scrabcakes: just saying that nothing stops you from putting $HOME on a usb storage
[18:30] <daftykins> Guest64776: english only please. #ubuntu-ru otherwise.
[18:30] <scrabcakes> akik: that was my original question. Is 3.0 good enough speed?
[18:30] <VFDPrim1> deftykins can you please retype what i needed to put in now that i can just cut n paste
[18:31] <akik> scrabcakes: maybe you should test and see if it works?
[18:31] <akik> scrabcakes: i ran kubuntu from a usb 2 stick and it worked, although a bit sluggish
[18:32] <daftykins> VFDPrim1: pastebinit /var/log/fontconfig.log
[18:32] <SlidingHorn> akik: they're looking to solely use the USB as the /home mount point, not the whole system
[18:32] <scrabcakes> akik: that is an idea :P I have xubuntu on the SSD which runs nicely but I'm quickly running out of space. SlidingHorn is right in what they just said
[18:32] <daftykins> i think it's a mistake
[18:32] <VFDPrim1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13865645/
[18:32] <VFDPrim1> ok this works soo much better lol
[18:33] <SlidingHorn> agreed - I strongly suggest sticking to cloud storage
[18:33] <scrabcakes> SlidingHorn: I'd then be limited by network speeds surely?
[18:33] <daftykins> VFDPrim1: sudo apt-get install --reinstall --purge fontconfig-config
[18:34] <VFDPrim1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13865701/
[18:36] <sruli> hi, i have a problem for a long time which i cannot take any longer, many times when connecting a USB drive system does not see the disk, lsusb & lsblk does see it, but can see it in disks or  in Files, i have to reboot to get it to work, I can manually mount it but even after mounting Disks (gnome-disk-utility) does not see it, what can the the cause of this?
[18:36] <oEfterdal> I have a VPC in AWS that has a VPN connection to a server that has a API I need to connect to. On my Ubntu instance I have a public subnet, the VPN subnet is on a private subnet. How could I make a connection from my server to the API and route the traffic over the VPN? Should I forward the traffic to the API on my instance or shuld I route the traffic on the AWS ? Sorry for a looong question.
[18:36] <SlidingHorn> scrabcakes: you would, but you're also looking at what is likely a safer way to store your things.  If that drive poops out on you, you're in trouble, whereas a cloud storage is far less likely to lose your data. (IMHO)  I should say that we're veering off topic for the channel though...we could continue in #ubuntu-offtopic on this
[18:36] <daftykins> VFDPrim1: and... sudo apt-get -f install
[18:37] <SlidingHorn> sruli: which version & flavor of *buntu are you using?
[18:37] <sruli> SlidingHorn: Ubuntu 14.04
[18:37] <VFDPrim1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13865789/
[18:39] <SlidingHorn> !info usbmount > sruli have you looked into this?
[18:39] <Quantos> What is it SlidingHorn?
[18:39] <SlidingHorn> !info usbmount
[18:40] <Quantos> I wonder if that's not what I'm missing for getting USB access on a VM
[18:40]  * Quantos wanders off to play with the VM - Thanks SlidingHorn
[18:40] <SlidingHorn> Quantos: you've installed the guest-additions, right?
[18:40] <sruli> SlidingHorn: that wouldn’t explain why sometimes it doesn’t work and other times it does, will check if i have the package
[18:41] <Quantos> Yeah, and the extension or expansion pack or whatever it's called
[18:41] <daftykins> VFDPrim1: that's the same link as before
[18:42] <VFDPrim1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13865789/
[18:42] <VFDPrim1> sorry about that the coppy must not have worked
[18:42] <sruli> SlidingHorn: i installed the package, do i need to restart? trying to avoid taht
[18:43] <akik> sruli: you can check if you have /var/run/reboot-required* files
[18:44] <VFDPrim1> daftykins did that one show anything difrent
[18:44] <xmj> Hi
[18:44] <daftykins> VFDPrim1: it's the same number again
[18:44] <xmj> can someone recommend a repo that contains openjdk 1.8 -- for precise 64bit?
[18:45] <VFDPrim1> ok well thats the last one that came up not sure what i need to do now
[18:46] <daftykins> VFDPrim1: well i assumed you were pasting "sudo apt-get -f install" again, but if it completes cleanly you can try a reboot now.
[18:46] <sruli> SlidingHorn: it started working after 2 minutes
[18:46] <xmj> (found it)
[18:46] <VFDPrim1> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1372 not upgraded.
[18:47] <VFDPrim1> seems like an aufly lot not upgraded
[18:48] <daftykins> VFDPrim1: haha, try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:48] <VFDPrim1> ok
[18:49] <VFDPrim1> now to sit here for a few hours lol
[18:50] <ubuntu991> Is there a Linux distribution which comes by default with Linux Kernel 4.3?
[18:50] <daftykins> ubuntu991: that'd be a question for ##linux - not here.
[18:50] <scrabcakes> SlidingHorn: yes I'll carry on the convo in a little bit in that channel then :)
[18:51] <rogerthat> hi guys, i have 2 ubuntu servers running 14.04.03 that were with a 3.13 kernel  , if i run ‘apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y  && apt-get dist-upgrade -y ’ 1 of them upgrades to 3.19 and the other stays in 3.13 (upgrade to another minor revision), anyone knows a way to make the other machine upgrade its kernel to a more recent version ?
[18:51] <ubuntu991> daftykins Oh great you answered :D I was trying to remember your nickname
[18:51]  * ubuntu991 slaps daftykins around a bit with a large fishbot
[18:51] <ubuntu991> Sorry missclick
[18:51] <daftykins> rogerthat: i wouldn't recommend you bother, there's nothing wrong with keeping 3.13 on 14.04 unless you want some newer hardware support - which shouldn't matter for servers.
[18:52] <daftykins> rogerthat: you need to add the HWE stack for vivid to get 3.19 though, see...
[18:52] <daftykins> !hwe
[18:53] <VFDPrim1> yup
[18:53] <rogerthat> daftykins: thx for the tip
[18:53] <rogerthat> daftykins:  ill look at it now
[18:53] <VFDPrim1> sry about that yup was typing on the wrong keyboard hahaha
[18:53] <rogerthat> cheerios
[18:58] <julrom28> hola
[18:58] <VFDPrim1> ok so now just hopping the screen dows not shut off again on me like it did yesterday
[18:58] <axel_> abend
[18:59] <b3NES> Hey i ran into a critical problem
[18:59] <VFDPrim1> it just turned off aka sleep mode once even though i have comp set so it does not sleep and never turns off soooooo lets hope it actualy makes it through the full install this time because i really really dont want to do this again
[19:00] <b3NES> I was restoring a backing and excidently restored a non LVM encrypted /etc/folder in my new instalation
[19:00] <b3NES> Meaning it can no longer boot off the LVM Luks encrypted drive
[19:00] <sruli> SlidingHorn: when mounted with usbmount i get write speeds of 5mb/sec normally i get 70-80
[19:00] <b3NES> How can i fix this without yet another reinstall
[19:00] <HelloGoodbye> Hello I installed a game off a disc using WINE, but when I launch it it is not in the correct resolution
[19:00] <HelloGoodbye> how would I fix this?
[19:01] <daftykins> HelloGoodbye: if you consult wine's app database there may be some tricks as to how to improve it.
[19:01] <daftykins> !appdb
[19:03] <SlidingHorn> sruli: I'm looking at a somewhat old thread, but it looks like others were able to fix t his by disabling the safe sync option.  It should be changeable by editing /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf   (source: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1238530"
[19:04] <sruli> SlidingHorn: tnx, will read
[19:06] <Kaliforniablue> hola
[19:06] <Plone> hola
[19:06] <Kaliforniablue> busco una sugerencia
[19:06] <Plone> dime
[19:06] <Kaliforniablue> podrian ayudarme?
[19:06] <Plone> posible
[19:06] <Kaliforniablue> pues instalé google earth en ubuntu 14.04
[19:06] <Bundestrojaner> good evening
[19:07] <Kaliforniablue> la primera vez se abrio y navegue
[19:07] <Kaliforniablue> Bundestrojaner,  hello
[19:07] <VFDPrim1> google earth hase a down load for ubuntu
[19:07] <SlidingHorn> !es
[19:07] <Kaliforniablue> Plone,  le molesta que le hable en español?
[19:08] <Plone> @kaliforniablue a mi no
[19:08] <Plone> pero….
[19:08] <Kaliforniablue> pues como le dije , lo instale y funciono, pero ahora no se abre
[19:08] <Bundestrojaner> i have a problem with vbam-gtk on ubuntu 14.04-lts, installed from rep: the sound stutters all the time.
[19:08] <Bundestrojaner> Some google-hits tell me to change the audio api, but i can't find an option in the gui...
[19:09] <SlidingHorn> Plone: Kaliforniablue --- This channel is English only support...if you'd like to continue in Spanish, please /join #ubuntu-es
[19:09] <Kaliforniablue> SlidingHorn,  thank you
[19:10] <Kaliforniablue> i have instaled google earth but now will not starting
[19:10] <Kaliforniablue> what kann i do?
[19:11] <Kaliforniablue> first was ok and started
[19:11] <Kaliforniablue> because will not starting
[19:11] <VFDPrim1> i do beleive that you now need to go to the ubuntu store and down load it from there if i reamember correctly all you did was made it available in the store but i have not done that in a long time so i could be wrong
[19:11] <SlidingHorn> Kaliforniablue: do you receive any error messages when you attempt to load it with the command line?  If you do, could you please post them to a pastebin and give us the link?
[19:12] <Kaliforniablue> SlidingHorn,  ok , wat a minute
[19:14] <BluesKaj> Kaliforniablue, install lsb-core to help google earth
[19:14] <Kaliforniablue> http://pastebin.com/wF0vTdBe
[19:14] <Kaliforniablue> you kann see the post
[19:15] <SlidingHorn> Kaliforniablue: run  googleearth   (no space)
[19:15] <Kaliforniablue> how install lsb-core?
[19:15] <Kaliforniablue> ah ok
[19:15] <sruli> SlidingHorn: tnx, that solved it, however another problem i always have with usb sticks, it starts off the copy rate at ~150mb/sec goes down after some 10 sec to 80mb/sec, from there slows to 5mb/sec i am refering to large flies >1gb
[19:15] <Kaliforniablue> sorry
[19:15] <SlidingHorn> BluesKaj: no need for that suggestion just yet
[19:15] <OerHeks> it ran, so no extra fix needed indeed
[19:16] <Kaliforniablue> SlidingHorn,  google earth is now started
[19:16] <SlidingHorn> sruli: not sure about that problem....a bit above my head at that point
[19:16] <Kaliforniablue> i tahnk you
[19:16] <SlidingHorn> Kaliforniablue: YAY!   Happy to help :)
[19:16] <BluesKaj> well, it's best to install it first , looks like he needs to download the google-eartg deb file
[19:16] <ikuria> still searching for a way to get ctrl-backspace to kill a word backwards in gnome-terminal, someone has an idea?
[19:16] <Bundestrojaner> can anyone recommend a good emulator for GBA on Ubuntu?
[19:17] <Kaliforniablue> Sil i m happy¡¡¡
[19:17] <SlidingHorn> BluesKaj: no...they were just running the wrong command - try not to suggest extraneous "fixes" without knowing the problem first.  Could cause a lot of problems
[19:17] <BluesKaj> ok my mistake
[19:17] <Kaliforniablue> thank you werry much¡¡¡
[19:17] <BluesKaj> but it doesn't hurt anything to have lsb-core installed anyway
[19:18] <sruli> SlidingHorn: searched google, full of it, tnx
[19:19] <Kaliforniablue> good bye
[19:19] <Kaliforniablue> have god fun
[19:19] <Kaliforniablue> silverhom, :)
[19:19] <BluesKaj> SlidingHorn, I wouldn't have suggested lsb-core unless I knew that it's needed
[19:20] <BluesKaj> it could be part of the deb package noiw
[19:20] <Kaliforniablue> thank you very much and happy night
[19:21] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, google seems to update their stuff from time to time :-D
[19:23] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, well , I recall google earth requiring that app for yrs, why they never included it was starnge
[19:23] <slevux> load -e /media/paki/Dati1/Download/xdccMule/script1.mrc
[19:26] <redalert> how can i switch the default display in ubuntu 15.10 with unity ?
[19:27] <Ghqs> Please explain a bit more
[19:27] <Ghqs> Default screen?
[19:27] <Ghqs> Redalert
[19:29] <sruli> anyone know how to resolve copying to usb slows down from 100mb/sec to 5mb/sec?
[19:29] <redalert> i have 2 displays. samsung on hdmi, benq on display port. ubuntu thinks the benq is the default display. the samsung must be the default display.
[19:29] <redalert> video card is an ati 6870
[19:30] <carl_> I'm trying to load netbeans 8.1 but it always gets stuck on loading modules, any idea on what to do?
[19:30] <sruli> redalert: settings > screen Display, u can move around screens,
[19:30] <VFDPrim1> it did not sayanything about restarting the computer is it done upgrading? http://paste.ubuntu.com/13867158/
[19:30] <redalert> yes sure. hdmi-0 is set to default
[19:31] <VFDPrim1> its just waiting for a command now
[19:31] <redalert> problem is, when i turn my pc on, the login screen appears on the displayport screen thats not set as default
[19:32] <daftykins> vdc: still looks like the same paste
[19:32] <SlidingHorn> VFDPrim1: what was the command you ran?
[19:33] <VFDPrim1> daftykins really? thats odd
[19:33] <VFDPrim1> daftykins what was the last one you had me run to upgrade
[19:33] <sruli> redalert: i also have sometimes on start it places login on second screen, never bothered me so didnt look into it, the menu (unity) always appears on default screen?
[19:34] <redalert> menu is on hdmi-0. only login screen is on second screen.
[19:34] <daftykins> VFDPrim1: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:34] <sruli> redalert: login always appears on other screen?
[19:34] <redalert> yes
[19:34] <VFDPrim1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13867280/
[19:35] <sruli> are u using ati drivers?
[19:35] <VFDPrim1> kaftykins thanks
[19:35] <redalert> no
[19:36] <sruli> redalert: dont know
[19:36] <redalert> i use xserver-xorg-video-ati
[19:38] <VFDPrim1> when upgrading from terminal does it not say that the computer needs a restart? (been awhile since i did it from the treminal)
[19:39] <compdoc> VFDPrim1, usually not
[19:39] <daftykins> though it did seem like yours said it was ready, earlier?
[19:39] <compdoc> if you ssh into the machine, it migh say it needs a restart
[19:40] <VFDPrim1> ok well then ill shuut down and restart and hope its all good finaly eather way im sure ill be back on here be back shortly
[19:44] <VFDPrim1> well that had to be the fastest restart i have ever had lol
[19:46] <VFDPrim1> thanks  a buunch for all the healp this morning and afternoon
[19:46] <daftykins> hehe
[19:46] <daftykins> np
[19:47] <redalert> sruli: on mint this is no problem
[19:47] <VFDPrim1> now i have to figure out how to move over all my programs to this computer
[19:48] <Wurmphlegm> could someone help me figure out why i can only connect to freenode.net @ port 6667, but no other IRC servers? netstat -ntpl doesn't show any issues, and i have no firewall enabled on my Linux box or modem / router.
[19:48] <BluesKaj> VFDPrim1, from ?
[19:49] <carl_> I tried downgrading to netbeans 8.0.2 but it didnt help a bit :(
[19:49] <VFDPrim1> froom   my old computer to this one
[19:50] <RandomNoob> VFDPrim1: replace hdd :D
[19:50] <VFDPrim1> ?
[19:51] <VFDPrim1> new hard ware and everything
[19:51] <BluesKaj> Wurmphlegm, probly your irc.server settings in your client that need additional irc servers added
[19:52] <VFDPrim1> some one mentioned a program yesterday but it did not pick up all my programs like sweethom3d and many others
[19:52] <RandomNoob> VFDPrim1: check this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/62340/how-to-copy-an-ubuntu-install-from-one-laptop-to-another
[19:52] <BluesKaj> VFDPrim1, is your old pc on the same network and is it a linux OS ?
[19:53] <Wurmphlegm> BluesKaj: i will try that, thank you.
[19:53] <VFDPrim1> yes it is blue
[19:53] <daftykins> sounds like you use a lot of packages from PPAs, most methods won't work unless you have those PPAs already enabled on the other
[19:53] <daftykins> those PPAs would need to have packages available for the new ubuntu version, too
[19:54] <VFDPrim1> so i will probably just have to go through the old comp and put each on manualy ha
[19:54] <BluesKaj> scp them overt from the other pc
[19:54] <VFDPrim1> blue i have no idea what that means lol
[19:55] <BluesKaj> !ssh | VFDPrim1
[19:57] <VFDPrim1> the ssh looks like it would work for files but maybe not programs
[19:57] <daftykins> did you get these programs from PPAs?
[19:58] <eelstrebor> VFDPrim1, you can execute programs but if it's something like vlc you'll see the video but not audio for movies
[19:58] <BluesKaj> VFDPrim1, just install the same programs on the new pc like you did the old one
[19:59] <VFDPrim1> but that takes soo long lol i am lazy was hopping for an easy out but i guess there really is no such thng lol
[19:59] <ioria> VFDPrim1, the app you used was aptoncd ?
[20:00] <eelstrebor> how does one stream programming from a dvb card? i can put in the transponder freq and symbol rate but if there's several channels streamed over the sat on that transponder how do you select the program using vlc?
[20:00] <zerowait1tate> VFDPrim1: you can find out which packages you installed by doing "dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall"
[20:01] <daftykins> eelstrebor: i think most people would make use of something like mythtv as a backend then something like Kodi as a frontend for tuner usage.
[20:01] <zerowait1tate> VFDPrim1: make sure your sources.list and sources.d match on both systems, then install the same packages on the new system
[20:01] <eelstrebor> VFDPrim1, maybe tightvnc is what you need?
[20:01] <daftykins> except they can't match if they're different ubuntu versions :>
[20:02] <daftykins> eelstrebor: i think you misunderstand eelstrebor's original question :)
[20:02] <zerowait1tate> VFDPrim1: if you need to know version numbers, etc, you can use "apt --installed list"
[20:03] <eelstrebor> daftykins, i'll have to figure out why mythtv keeps giving me invalid password messages for mysql even though i know i entered the correct password
[20:03] <eelstrebor> huh? eelstrebor: i think you misunderstand eelstrebor's original question :)
[20:03] <daftykins> eelstrebor: hmm, logs don't elaborate?
[20:04] <daftykins> eelstrebor: my bad, tired eyes + brain now ;) i meant VFDPrim1's question
[20:04] <eelstrebor> it's been awhile since i tried to use it - i tend to get frustrated and head out the door
[20:05] <daftykins> mmm, not a friendly one so i hear
[20:05] <eelstrebor> just like dvbv5-scan doesn't work right, IMHO - keep getting locks and then segmentation fault
[20:05] <daftykins> eelstrebor: i believe they have a channel here on freenode though, so they might be of use
[20:06] <eelstrebor> most of the time i can't find anyone with an answer so i spend a ridiculus amount of time trying to figure out some stuff - just like windows
[20:08] <Wurmphlegm> BluesKaj: That didn't work
[20:14] <Abe> is it normal that a laptop reaches 170 F while playing?
[20:14] <Abe> or about 80 Celsius
[20:15] <OerHeks> Abe, depends on the cpu & videocard, but it is not unusual, seen that before.
[20:16] <MrXXIV> Can Ubuntu Server, Nginx, PHP 7, etc. run on an ARM computer?
[20:17] <OerHeks> MrXXIV, it can 'run'.. but is it 'workable'..
[20:17] <Abe> ok I thought it seems a little high
[20:17] <MrXXIV> Cause I'm curious to do something to this http://pine64.com/product#features
[20:18] <daftykins> Abe: if it's not new, it probably needs a disassembling and cleaning... possibly even new thermal paste applied
[20:18] <OerHeks> Abe what cpu exactly? this is wild guessing
[20:21] <daftykins> MrXXIV: the folks over in #ubuntu-arm may know more
[20:21] <MrXXIV> gotchu
[20:21] <BluesKaj> Wurmphlegm,  which irc client are you using?
[20:22] <ams_> I want to make a boot usb drive but not having much luck with unetbooting or ubuntu boot disk creator. Are there any others out there?
[20:22] <daftykins> what OS are you trying to put on one?
[20:23] <ams_> Xenserver 6.5
[20:23] <daftykins> so it's a Linux ISO?
[20:24] <ams_> Yes
[20:24] <ams_> http://downloadns.citrix.com.edgesuite.net/10175/XenServer-6.5.0-xenserver.org-install-cd.iso
[20:24] <daftykins> try "sudo dd if=/path/to/that.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=2M"
[20:24] <shudon> hi all :) i've installed backuppc on a brand new ubuntu 14.04.3 server install, but when i access it via http, the server just sends backuppc's elf binary cgi program, instead of executing it as a cgi script. apache2 was installed automatically as a dependency of backuppc. apache2 has the cgid module enabled according to a2enmod. /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/backuppc.conf specifies "Options ExecCGI," and "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi." restarted
[20:24] <shudon>  apache2. still does this!
[20:24] <daftykins> but you need to identify your flash drives' letter and put it in place of /dev/sdX
[20:25] <pac1> I'm trying to boot from usb and i keep getting "boot error"
[20:25] <ams_> When I did that I got a bunch of errors I think relating to syslinux
[20:25] <ams_> (when trying to boot from the drive)
[20:25] <OerHeks> ams did you check that iso md5sum ?
[20:26] <shudon> oh, nvm, it must have been my browser cache
[20:26] <ams_> OerHeks: They don't provide one on their site
[20:26] <ams_> .. but google checks out
[20:27] <carl_> is there any log that could give me an idea on why netbeans gets stuck on loading?
[20:28] <ioria> ams_, are you sure is based on linux ?
[20:29] <ams_> ioria: Xensrver? I thought it was
[20:29] <ioria> ams_, ok....
[20:29] <ams_> ioria: http://xenserver.org/overview-xenserver-open-source-virtualization/source-code.html
[20:30] <akik> xenserver uses syslinux as a boot loader, and i guess it starts the dom0 xen kernel by default
[20:31] <BluesKaj> ams_, did you delete the files on the usb stick before trying dd? I have to ask
[20:31] <ams_> BluesKaj: no, would that be important? Wouldn't dd do that for me?
[20:31] <OerHeks> ams_, so it is maybe incompatible hardware, faulty iso, who can tell ?
[20:31] <akik> BluesKaj: dd takes care of anything on the usb stick :)
[20:32] <daftykins> ams_: you're definitely using sdX and not a partition number, right?
[20:32] <daftykins> e.g. sdb1 would be wrong
[20:32] <bekks> ams_: are you sure that it is supported at all to run xenserver off an usb boot drive?
[20:32] <ams_> daftykins: oh, no, i was using sdb1
[20:32]  * BluesKaj shrugs , it's always best to dd into a clean drive, but do what you want
[20:33] <daftykins> ams_: there you go, dd must be done upon the device and not a partition :)
[20:33] <Wurmphlegm> BluesKaj: I am using Xchat, however i have smuxi, and bitchx. All three are a no go.
[20:33] <ams_> daftykins: aha, ok, progress! Where do I get that number?
[20:33] <ams_> BluesKaj: source? :)
[20:34] <daftykins> ams_: no there is no number, you just use /dev/sdx
[20:34] <akik> no, it doesn't matter what is on the usb stick before. dd will overwrite it
[20:34] <Wurmphlegm> Blueskaj: Also, i just noticed..it's anything having to do with port 6667. This server is obviously 8001 so it works
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Wurmphlegm, xchat is depracated no longer supporte , switch to hexchat
[20:34] <ams_> daftykins: oh, sdb, gotcha
[20:34] <Kardos> xchat is deprecated??
[20:34] <Wurmphlegm> BluesKaj: let me try Hexchat then
[20:35] <ME2> hello
[20:35] <BluesKaj> !xchat
[20:35] <ME2> is there any threat if i uninstall unity on 15.10 ?
[20:36] <ams_> daftykins: Not happy still, "no boot device found"
[20:36] <daftykins> ams_: you can't have written it that fast.
[20:37] <ams_> daftykins: it did seem to complete rather quickly, it's only 500mb .. but still
[20:37] <Wurmphlegm> BluesKaj: yeah it made no difference
[20:37] <akik> ams_: did you check "the internet" http://blog.citrix24.com/install-xenserver-6-usb-stick/
[20:37] <BluesKaj> Kardos, from all reports xchat is no longer being developed, but it's still in the repos
[20:37] <ams_> akik: i've followed about 5 different tutorials from the internet. That particular one I haven't because it uses Windows.
[20:38] <daftykins> ams_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && sudo parted -l | pastebinit
[20:38] <daftykins> i'd be a bit concerned you didn't just write that ISO to the wrong drive...
[20:38] <Wurmphlegm> BluesKaj: i just got off the phone with my ISP, and they said that it's not a port that they normally block. So it's not on their end. I have no firewall running, and my routers have nothing blocking it
[20:38] <BluesKaj> Wurmphlegm, so which servers are you adding to the client exactly
[20:38] <akik> ams_: i'm sure you will find better info on the net. it's off topic for #ubuntu
[20:38] <Wurmphlegm> anything in the default list when you first startup hexchat will not connect...no matter what
[20:39] <Wurmphlegm> only one in the list that works is Freenode
[20:39] <mindfield> hi
[20:39] <Wurmphlegm> i am trying to connect to irc.evolvechat.net
[20:39] <Wurmphlegm> @ port 6667
[20:39] <ams_> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13868943/
[20:41] <daftykins> ams_: looks like your flash drive is one of those U3 drives, as it has a virtual CD - probably ruining this task.
[20:41] <bazhang> Wurmphlegm, ask in #hexchat
[20:41] <ams_> daftykins: yeah it does have that stupid crap, ok, i'll see if I can find another one. Thanks!
[20:41] <daftykins> np
[20:41] <ams_> ..though this time the dd is taking quite a bit longer.. huh
[20:42] <Wurmphlegm> bazhang: it's not a IRC client issue, i have tried pretty much every IRC client available for Linux.
[20:43] <bazhang> Wurmphlegm, well they will know, and the hexchat developer is pretty much always around. your choice
[20:44] <ams_> Wurmphlegm: that sounds odd, can you connect to that socket using netcat?
[20:44] <BluesKaj> Wurmphlegm, don't use @ in any of the server fields ...I'm able to connect to irc.evolvechat.net (port 6667) and the server autoconnects me to the #lobby chatroom
[20:44] <zykotick9> Wurmphlegm: fyi, bitchx is also deprecated...
[20:46] <Wurmphlegm> BluesKaj: So this is in my server information for Evolve, which i created in the server list for Hexchat. irc.evolve.net/6667
[20:46] <Kardos> BluesKaj, heh cool, didn't realise it's stagnating, thanks for the tip
[20:46] <aitar> hi, just a short question: which source do you recommend best to learn something about irc?
[20:46] <BluesKaj> Wurmphlegm, i'm using Konversation irc client
[20:47] <BluesKaj> Kardos, np :-0
[20:48] <OerHeks> Wurmphlegm is trying to connect to 2 servers with on the same port ?
[20:48] <bazhang> looks like it
[20:48] <renka> hello, i fail starting my mysql server. it tell me line 86: logger: command not found
[20:49] <ams_> daftykins: btw, same issue with a different drive .. which also wrote in a suspiciously quick time (84MB/s)
[20:49] <Bashing-om> aitar: The #irssi channel is quite active in development of IRC clients, might ask there .
[20:50] <rami_> #kernel
[20:52] <renka> anyone can help me pls?
[20:52] <RingoMckraken> do you have mysql installed on the box or is it connecting remotely to another?
[20:53] <rami_> hello , anyone can help me in kernel customization ?
[20:53] <renka> i have installed mysql-server
[20:53] <Pici> renka: did you make any changes to your /etc/mysql/my.cnf file recently?
[20:53] <renka> no
[20:54] <renka> i just installed ubuntu 14.04
[20:54] <renka> fresh server
[20:54] <Pici> renka: what exactly are you typing to start it?.
[20:54] <ams_> renka: Where are you seeing that error?
[20:54] <renka>  /etc/init.d/mysql start
[20:55] <ams_> And that's the output you see?
[20:55] <renka> * starting myql.. blabla
[20:55] <akik> renka: logger comes from the bsdutils package
[20:55] <renka> then the error logger: command not found
[20:55] <orange_> Hi all
[20:55] <orange_> Anybody know how to remove a user on linux?
[20:55] <orange_> from the terminal
[20:56] <ams_> renka: someone on the internet says sudo apt-get install bsdutils –reinstall
[20:56] <renka> do i need to install more packages?
[20:56] <renka> i will try that
[20:57] <Pici> or4n: take a look at the deluser command, you may want to read its manpage.
[20:57] <renka> thanks ams_ and akik
[20:57] <renka> worked :)
[20:57] <ams_> woohoo
[20:57] <rami_> anyone can help in customizing a kernel ?
[20:57] <ams_> (i just googled your error btw ;))
[20:58] <renka> i tried to find a solution by google also ^^
[20:58] <renka> i had bad links i think :P
[21:09] <davidmichaelkarr> Question about "cryptsetup" and "crypttab", which is apparently not in Ubuntu 14.04. Before "crypttab" is available, how do you specify to require the passphrase at boot?
[21:10] <Li> How to make all windows control buttons/icons either on the windows itself or on the top sideo of ubuntu near the dash
[21:10] <lepepe> ++lepepe
[21:10] <holucon> is there anything special I have to do to have another process be able to read or write to a fuse mounted folder?
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> Li  in Unity Tweak tool > Appearnace > window controls
[21:11] <ams_> daftykins: re-installing unetbootin fixed it .. :-)
[21:15] <faLUCE> hello, both mouse and keyboard started without a reason to have strange behaviours (for example, i cant do long movements with mouse pointers without breaks, as well as if I press the same letter on the keyboard). I controlled with top, and there is not a process that hangs cpu. It is like when some process consumes lot of cpu (but in this case all the processes ar ok). what can I do?
[21:15] <bazhang> what version of ubuntu faLUCE
[21:16] <faLUCE> bazhang: how can I check?
[21:16] <MonkeyDust> faLUCE  cat /etc/issue
[21:16] <bazhang> is this a wireless kb and mouse faLUCE
[21:17] <faLUCE> bazhang: 14.04 (thanks MonkeyDust)
[21:17] <faLUCE> bazhang: no, it's the touchpad but I have the same problem with a wired or wireless kb and mouse
[21:20] <geremia> chi sei
[21:20] <lepepe> hello, I'm able to access to microsoft sql from ubuntu using freetds, but I was wondering if is possible to create cron jobs to backup the data base?
[21:21] <faLUCE> what can I do?
[21:21] <geremia> lepre dove 6
[21:21] <lotuspsychje> !it | geremia
[21:22] <faLUCE> I'm seeing that the same problem appears when I see any video
[21:22] <geremia> com'è il circuito
[21:22] <faLUCE> without moving the mouse or pressing keys
[21:22] <geremia> ok
[21:22] <geremia> #ubuntu-it
[21:23] <lotuspsychje> faLUCE: its best to re-ask your question in one line, once in a while
[21:23] <faLUCE> well, it is like xorg has messed up
[21:25] <geremia> ma che succede
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> !english | geremia
[21:26] <Mamba_2> Hello
[21:26] <geremia> ciao
[21:30] <ubuntu-mate> hey why can't i play dvd's i need help
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> !dvd | ubuntu-mate
[21:31] <ubuntu-mate> im using ubuntu mate
[21:33] <ubuntu-mate> all the command don't work
[21:34] <ubuntu-mate> it keeps saying sudo apt-get install libdvdread4
[21:34] <ubuntu-mate> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[21:35] <Guest1360> hi guys, what should I use as a deja-dub alternative?
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> !backup | Guest1360
[21:38] <SchrodingersScat> Guest1360: I've been happy using duplicity directly
[21:38] <Bashing-om> ubuntu-mate: So, what results when you foillow the package manager's advise ?
[21:39] <n0p513d> ubuntu-mate: Did  you run that command?
[21:39] <lepepe> hello guys, there is a way to create microsoft sql backups form ubuntu?
[21:40] <ubuntu-mate> I bought over 10.000 dollar system 76 computer i build and i changed the os from Ubuntu to Ubuntu Mate because i don't like unity and i can't get the dvd to work and yes i did the command and it didn't work
[21:40] <Guest1360> SchrodingersScat: thank you for your recommendation :-)
[21:41] <faLUCE> hello, something has messed up suddenly with xorg, on ubuntu 14.04. Now I have bad resolution, bad mouse and keyboard responses... what can I do in order to reset xorg?
[21:41] <Bashing-om> ubuntu-mate: Then, we need to see that errors in context . Pastenin the outputs of ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' .
[21:41] <n0p513d> ubuntu-mate: Now you have done that, try and install libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> faLUCE: xorg doesnt need to be edited, are you on correct graphics driver?
[21:42] <faLUCE> lotuspsychje: all worked good, since a crash (then I rebooted and all these issues started)
[21:43] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: More likely a graphics driver issue, what returns for a driver from terminal command ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[21:43] <Maxirus> Has anyone been able to get the Apple Magic Trackpad 2 to work?
[21:44] <lotuspsychje> Maxirus: can this help? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/AppleMagicTrackpad
[21:44] <ubuntu-mate> i keep getting this ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo apt-get install libdvdread4
[21:44] <ubuntu-mate> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[21:44] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/Cu5Xijb5
[21:44] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: did you add ppa's or .debs of any kind to your system?
[21:45] <Maxirus> lotuspsychje, Nope, I've read every guide for the Apple Trackpad's however they all apply to the original version.
[21:45] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Look'n at your http://pastebin.com/Cu5Xijb5 .
[21:45] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: ?
[21:45] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: thanks
[21:46] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Uh Huh .. " configuration: latency=0 " no graphic's driver loaded . So what is the hardware here ' lspci | grep "VGA\|3D" ' ?
[21:46] <Maxirus> The MT2 is seen by Ubuntu as a evdev, basic mouse. My research is showing that it's not supported by the Kernel but I can't confirm this.
[21:47] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c
[21:48] <frank23> ciaooo
[21:48] <frank23> list
[21:48] <lotuspsychje> !info automysqlbackup | lepepe can this help?
[21:48] <lotuspsychje> !it | frank23
[21:48] <n0p513d> ubuntu-mate: That --configure -a has always worked for me, strange.
[21:49] <faLUCE> in addition, mouse and keyboard movements are strange
[21:49] <faLUCE> Bashing-om:
[21:49] <faLUCE> in addition, mouse and keyboard movements are strange
[21:49] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Wow .. Intel .. what ever did you do to loose the driver ? We can put it back .. However ... is this a laptop with optimus technology for the graphics ?
[21:50] <lotuspsychje> faLUCE: both cards say unclaimed, means you need correct driver for it
[21:50] <n0p513d> ubuntu-mate I would try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' then try again.
[21:50] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Yeah ... all part of the X layr that the graphic's driver supports .
[21:50] <lotuspsychje> n0p513d: good idea
[21:50] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: I don't know about optimus technology
[21:50] <faLUCE> so, what should I do?
[21:50] <ubuntu-mate> i might put linux mint in it because it work out of the box
[21:51] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: unwise decision
[21:51] <n0p513d> Well, you can, but I think this would be worth a try first.
[21:51] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: K. Pastebin please - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' - maybe see if there is a secondary graphic's set .
[21:51] <n0p513d> Maybe even do a reboot after the upgrade step
[21:52] <n0p513d> then --configure -a
[21:52] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/ruJJS4mS
[21:54] <lepepe> lotuspsychjeubottu: At work we use microsoft sql because our erp software, I'm able to query the database with freetds but I would like to create a cron job to do the backups daily
[21:56] <ekopc> gfjghkkh
[21:57] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Think what we see is dual heads on the graphic's card . Try ' sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel ' .. reboot to see the effect .
[21:58] <lotuspsychje> !cron | lepepe
[21:58] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: already the newest version
[21:58] <VFDPrim> ok so now im getting really frustrated with this new computer
[21:59] <faLUCE> well let's reboot...
[21:59] <VFDPrim> instulled 15.4 just fine but  upgraded to 15.10 and that went fine made it to the restart needed i pressed yes it restarted and now it wont let me log in wont even let me go to a guest session!
[22:00] <rumptes> VFDPrim: bummer
[22:01] <VFDPrim> yea no kidding
[22:01] <Bashing-om> VFDPrim: Proprietary graphics driver that got broke in the release upgrade process ?
[22:02] <VFDPrim> have a feeling im screwed with it and will have to start all over
[22:02] <VFDPrim> would that even bring it up to a login screan
[22:03] <lepepe> lotuspsychje: schedule the executions with cron is not the problem, what I want is to schedule a microsoft sql dump from ubuntu
[22:03] <VFDPrim> the screen flashes and says something but to fast to read it then it goes right back to the login screen
[22:03] <rumptes> lepepe: yep
[22:03] <VFDPrim> but yet it knows if i type the wrong password or not
[22:04] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: graphics card chipset?
[22:04] <VFDPrim> its got a graphics card
[22:05] <Bashing-om> VFDPrim: Yeah , with a broke grahic's driver, that is a symptom .
[22:05] <rumptes> VFDPrim: if you have amd proprietary card you might have to upgrade using apt-get
[22:05] <rumptes> VFDPrim: do you know how to change to terminal prompt
[22:06] <VFDPrim> AMD Radeon HD 6770 1 GB
[22:06] <VFDPrim> rumptes no i do not
[22:07] <VFDPrim> i dont know how to even get to a terminal on this screen
[22:07] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: VFDPrim What is the current staus of the FGLRX driver in 15.10 ? Still with problems ??
[22:07] <Bashing-om> status*
[22:07] <VFDPrim> no clue what you mean sorry not good with this stuff
[22:07] <faLUCE> after rebooting the resolution is ok. but the keyboard and mouse problem remains. let me show an example: if I press the "t" key, it writes:  tttttttttt (pause) tttttttttt (pause) ttttttt etc. The same occours if I see a video: I experience a small pause every 2 seconds
[22:08] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Say again what release you are on ? maybe try a later Intel graphos's driver ?
[22:09] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: since one hour ago all worked good
[22:09] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: 14.10
[22:09] <VFDPrim> http://askubuntu.com/questions/614128/15-04-and-nvidia-login-loop
[22:10] <VFDPrim> just found that and that is exactly what its doing
[22:10] <rumptes> VFDPrim: you need to upgrade the hardware driver
[22:10] <VFDPrim> and how do i do that
[22:12] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Ouch .. verify 14.10 and that release has no support -EOL . no access to the software repository . show ' lsb_release -a ' .
[22:13] <io7> Hi, is there any way that I can have iCloud running on Ubuntu?
[22:14] <OerHeks> io7, olny trough the browser AFAIK
[22:14] <rumptes> VFDPrim: drop down to terminal by pushing alt and f1
[22:14] <io7> bummer. thanks
[22:14] <rumptes> VFDPrim: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:15] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: sorry, it is 14.04
[22:15] <rumptes> VFDPrim: login as your normal user then enter these commands in.
[22:15] <rumptes> VFDPrim: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:15] <VFDPrim> alt f1 didnt do anlything ctr alt one will though
[22:15] <lotuspsychje> faLUCE: can you try the intel graphics installer from their website?
[22:15] <rumptes> VFDPrim: login
[22:16] <Protagonistics> did they change where logs are stored in ubuntu 15.10? I don't have a var/log/messages...
[22:16] <faLUCE> lotuspsychje: it would  be long
[22:16] <lotuspsychje> Protagonistics: wich log are you trying to find?
[22:16] <rumptes> VFDPrim: were you using AMD card
[22:16] <Protagonistics> kernel related?
[22:17] <lotuspsychje> Protagonistics: /var/log/syslog and dmesg
[22:17] <Protagonistics> there is no /var/log/syslog though
[22:17] <VFDPrim> rumptes its all uptodate
[22:18] <lotuspsychje> Protagonistics: there should be, try a tail -f /var/log/syslog
[22:18] <VFDPrim> and it is this card
[22:18] <VFDPrim> AMD Radeon HD 6770 1 GB
[22:18] <Protagonistics> yeah that gets me things
[22:18] <rumptes> VFDPrim: have you entered those commands in one at a time
[22:18] <lotuspsychje> Protagonistics: type dmesg in terminal is usefull too
[22:18] <VFDPrim> i did i just updated all of those today
[22:19] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Well . let's see if there is now a graphic's driver loadd ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[22:20] <rumptes> VFDPrim: sudo apt-get install fglrx
[22:21] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/kFt0TQK9
[22:22] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: Yeah, the driver is leaded now . Maybe see what results ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ' ?
[22:24] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: after executing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  it returns nothing
[22:24] <winem_> good evening, are there any known issues with the german repositories? especially de.archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com?
[22:24] <lotuspsychje> winem_: ask in #ubuntu-mirror please
[22:24] <k1l_> winem_: what brings you "lsb_release -d"?
[22:24] <lotuspsychje> winem_: #ubuntu-mirrors sorry
[22:24] <winem_> ok, thanks lotuspsychje
[22:25] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: I can't see movies properly (files) ... it flicks
[22:25] <lotuspsychje> winem_: also answer k1l_ please
[22:25] <MAZINGAGIOCLA> !LIST
[22:25] <winem_> k1l_: Description:	Ubuntu 15.04
[22:26] <OerHeks> winem_, De.archive.ubuntu.com-archive Six hours behind De2.archive.ubuntu.com-archive Up to date
[22:26] <k1l_> winem_: ok, that is still supported and the repos should work. actually my .de mirror works. so maybe its just your ISP with a bad routing
[22:26] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[22:28] <winem_> I'm confused because the domain is resolved by different IPs, which is fine, of course, but only <IP_ADDRESS> works... but it's really really slow
[22:28] <winem_> ok, so I will doublecheck the routing even though everything else works. thanks guys
[22:28] <k1l_> winem_: that is a load balancer for several different servers.
[22:28] <OerHeks> winem_, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors, they are just 128 kbs
[22:28] <OerHeks> choose a faster mirror then
[22:29] <Bashing-om> faLUCE: I do not know . That was all I know to do .
[22:29] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: thanks anyway
[22:29] <lotuspsychje> does the uninstall of seahorse automaticly disable gnome-keyring, or do i see this wrongly?
[22:30] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, if it does, you cannot update anymore, or are you going to choose an other keyring?
[22:30] <winem_> oh ok, 128kbps explains a lot
[22:30] <Jan\> how do I make a command execute on boot ?
[22:31] <k1l_> Jan\: depends a bit on the command
[22:31] <wehde> has anyone here got memory ballooning in linux guest machines to work properly?
[22:31] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: i dont want gnome-keyring, so thought to purge seahorse?
[22:31] <Jan\> k1l_: its a docker start command
[22:32] <Jan\> k1l_: i.e.    docker start something
[22:32] <OerHeks> seahorse & gnome keyring belong together AFAIK
[22:35] <Jan\> k1l_: hello?
[22:36] <k1l_> Jan\: see the docker documentation: http://docs.docker.com/engine/articles/host_integration/
[22:37] <ExplodingKittens> Hey, does anybody know where ubuntu-emulator stores the downloaded Ubuntu Touch system images? I can't seem to find them in any of the directories in $XDG_DATA_DIRS, and I /really/ don't want to have to redownload them on my secondary machine.
[22:38] <OerHeks> ExplodingKittens, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-touch
[22:39] <ExplodingKittens> OerHeks, ah, thanks! Didn't know if there was a channel specifically for Touch. I'll ask there.
[22:40] <Bashing-om> ExplodingKittens: 'dpkg -L <packagename>' is good to see the full list of files a package installed .
[22:40] <Opcode90> I gotta say I love the look of the Ubunta interface.
[22:40] <Opcode90> THe prog loads quick.
[22:40] <Opcode90> All the normal browsing , copy and pasting and finding drives n such.
[22:41] <Opcode90> Was a bigger challenge with the Server.
[22:41] <ExplodingKittens> Bashing-om, that only seems to show where the binaries for the program itself is stored.
[22:42] <Opcode90> all command line, in fact no GUI, for the layman no Graphical User Interface is advised ever installing.
[22:42] <VFDPrim> how does one get rid of the fgrlx and replace it with radeon drivers instead
[22:42] <Opcode90> but im old school DOS very good at old school Dos.
[22:42] <Opcode90> so the commandline no stranger.
[22:42] <Opcode90> The commands however yes differ.
[22:43] <VFDPrim> or better yet how do i down grade back to 15.4
[22:44] <Opcode90> wow lotta help here needed, lets not put them in order
[22:45] <Opcode90> Smiles for now. I cant help any of you..
[22:45] <Opcode90> perhaps an ubunta person might
[22:45] <Bashing-om> VFDPrim: Might try ' sudo apt-get purge 'fglrx*' ; sudo update-alternatives --remove-all x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf ; sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx ' Should work, good in  14.04 not tested in 15.10 .
[22:45] <k1l_> VFDPrim: downgrade to 15.04 is not possible from 15.10
[22:46] <k1l_> VFDPrim: to get rid of fglrx do "sudo apt-get purge fglrx*"
[22:46] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Opcode90
[22:47] <Opcode90> i will certainly add those channels thank you
[22:47] <Opcode90> ill do it now
[22:47] <VFDPrim> ok its purged now what
[22:48] <VFDPrim> how do i add radeon drivers
[22:48] <Opcode90> sorry disonnected, i got discuss added let me add the offtipic
[22:48] <Opcode90> offtopic
[22:48] <VFDPrim> just sudo apt-get radeon?
[22:49] <k1l_> VFDPrim: no. it will use that as standard now after reboot
[22:49] <VFDPrim> ok so radeon should already be on my comp
[22:50] <VFDPrim> ?
[22:50] <k1l_> VFDPrim: if you did not remove any such things: yes.
[22:50] <VFDPrim> ok so reboot it is
[22:50] <VFDPrim> lest see how this goes lol
[22:51] <Opcode90> ty kindly Ubottu if you arent a bot
[22:51] <Opcode90> i add those 3 room
[22:51] <Opcode90> s
[22:51] <lotuspsychje> Opcode90: please dont use this channel for chitchat
[22:51] <Opcode90> yes thats why he gave me the 3 addresses
[22:51] <Opcode90> that i added
[22:52] <VFDPrim> ok its still got me in the infanat sigh in loop
[22:52] <Opcode90> so that i could leave and go speak there
[22:52] <Opcode90> lotuspsychje please dont be redundant
[22:52] <VFDPrim> darn amd get your stuff together
[22:53] <VFDPrim> so i found one site that some one did the sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[22:53] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: try the crimson amd drivers
[22:53] <VFDPrim> any thoughts on if i should try that
[22:53] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/linux
[22:54] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: youve tested radeon driver on many ubuntu versions now without success
[22:54] <VFDPrim> oh ok and hello lotus
[22:56] <VFDPrim> on the amd link i see the hd6000 but not a 6770 is the 6000 what mine would fall under
[22:56] <faLUCE> Bashing-om: you know? the problem was OVERHEAT!
[22:59] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: yes i think so
[22:59] <VFDPrim> ok then in that case it does say that it works on 15.10
[23:00] <VFDPrim> so i guess i will try there install instructions
[23:00] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: testout for us and let us know, youl be writing history here :p
[23:00] <VFDPrim> yea right if i dont blow up my computer first
[23:00] <lotuspsychje> lol
[23:00] <brodude> Hey guys! I need advice... should I build a computer with AMD FX-8350/R9 390 or intel i7-6700/GTX 970?
[23:01] <VFDPrim> i have no clue what i am doing when it comes to the terminal
[23:01] <VFDPrim> im BOUT TO JUAT GO BACK TO 14.4 LOL
[23:01] <lotuspsychje> brodude: you need the ##hardware channel mate
[23:01] <brodude> Ok :)
[23:01] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: not yet mate, your radeon got errors on 14.04
[23:02] <VFDPrim> oh did it ? at least it was working though and i could log in
[23:02] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: you showed me syslog yesterday right
[23:02] <VFDPrim> still wondering if this would work sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[23:02] <VFDPrim> i beleive so yes
[23:03] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: i think we need to focus on working driver first
[23:03] <sruli> can anyone help me with virsh? i dont want the service to auto start i also made the localhost connection not auto start, how do i manually connec to local host from command line?
[23:03] <VFDPrim> yea some one had said on a site that that actualy fixed it lol
[23:05] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: if amd driver doesnt work out, you can play with kernels too indeed
[23:06] <dbugger> Hey guys. When I do apt-get update, it gets hang midway. What is going on?
[23:06] <VFDPrim> i dont even know what to look for on this contents apage for the right directions to try for the amd driver
[23:06] <k1l_> dbugger: could be an issue with the ISP or the german mirror.
[23:07] <brodude> Would it be smart to install Ubuntu on mac?
[23:07] <brodude> apt-get dist-upgrade is amazing!
[23:08] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/radeon-crimson-15.11-15.30.1025.zip
[23:09] <dbugger> k1l_, any way to find out or solve it?
[23:09] <lotuspsychje> !mac | brodude
[23:09] <k1l_> dbugger: wait. or try to change to the main servers.
[23:09] <VFDPrim> lotus thats where i am at already
[23:09] <k1l_> dbugger: but if it is a issue with your ISP routing you cant do anything but wait
[23:09] <lotuspsychje> VFDPrim: download the zip and install
[23:10] <Maxirus> In Ubuntu 14.04, are InputClasses supported in xorg.conf?
[23:10] <brodude> lotuspsychje: But SHOULD I? :D
[23:10] <inteus> !discuss | brodude
[23:12] <jost> Is there a problem with the update servers? I'm get some packages that can't be authenticated, and de.archive.ubuntu.com does not respond
[23:13] <inteus> jost: the mirror might be having issues...Wait a while and try it again.
[23:13] <k1l_> seems to be a telekom issue? since its almost only telekom users asking here
[23:13] <jost> inteus: ok... someting else I might do to avoid that mirror?
[23:14] <jost> k1l_: yeah, they are known for not getting their stuff right
[23:14] <jost> and taking horrendous sums for it
[23:14] <inteus> jost: you could change the mirrors
[23:14] <jost> inteus: how?
[23:14] <jost> I'll google
[23:15] <VFDPrim> :-X!(@*#&#
[23:15] <inteus> jost: check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me-or-choose-a-faster-mirror
[23:15] <brodude> In general - What CPU/GPU brand is more stable with Ubuntu - Intel or AMD?
[23:18] <nullbyte_> i can't start gdm, autologin is disabled
[23:18] <nullbyte_> when i logout it logouts and prompts without login manager no gdm/kdm
[23:19] <nullbyte_> how can i go to login manager
[23:19] <nullbyte_> ...
[23:19] <carrera> Hi
[23:20] <k1l_> nullbyte_: is it gdm? or lightdm? what ubuntu is it exactly?
[23:20] <VFDPrim> the amd site does not list how to get packages from command bar that i am seeing anyway
[23:20] <nullbyte_> ubuntu gnome
[23:20] <nullbyte_> gdm i sayed
[23:20] <VFDPrim> but i could be blind
[23:20] <carrera> Why does Ubuntu Desktop 15.10 crash before I even get to the Live session?
[23:20] <carrera> it crashes at various points
[23:21] <nullbyte_> :)
[23:21] <sruli> how do i make a service not start on boot ubuntu 14.04
[23:22] <nullbyte_> i cannot start gdm, lightdm
[23:24] <nullbyte_> kil: you, can you support?
[23:24] <nullbyte_> k1l_,
[23:24] <inteus> !patience | nullbyte_
[23:24] <nullbyte_> hmm
[23:25] <nullbyte_> ok
[23:27] <regedit_> how to tell which Nvidia Prime option is selected, the embedded or discrete GPU, from shell script?
[23:30] <lis> hey guys!
[23:31] <lis> which ubuntu version would you recommend a new linux user to install on dual boot gpt?
[23:31] <dbugger> Guys, when my PC boots up, the GRUB screen draws quite slow... it takes about 2 - 3 seconds to draw everything. Why could this be?
[23:32] <regedit_> lis: using Kubuntu here, after sufficient tweaking & hacking it's not *too* bad
[23:34] <Bashing-om> lis: A always say to a new user to install the Long Term Support release. Presently 14.04 .
[23:37] <regedit_> Bashing-om: what is so good about LTS ?
[23:38] <Bashing-om> regedit_: For me it is a stable system over a long period of time .
[23:38] <inteus> and supported over a long period of time
[23:38] <regedit_> what does "supported" mean inteus
[23:39] <regedit_> is there a support line i can call
[23:39] <VFDPrim> and i give up
[23:39] <inteus> updates, fixes, etc
[23:39] <regedit_> i see
[23:39] <regedit_> inteus: whereas other non-LTS versions *don't* get updates & fixes?
[23:39] <regedit_> on the contrary, they get them more often
[23:40] <inteus> the official support ends sooner than LTS versions
[23:40] <RoadRunner> screwed up some setting, now desctop and apps look moved to the right with a white border http://imgur.com/a/V0Ggk - how to get it fixed?
[23:40] <regedit_> inteus: what does *official support* mean
[23:40] <regedit_> is there an official support line i can call?
[23:41] <k1l_> !releases | regedit_
[23:41] <regedit_> supported... support...
[23:42] <regedit_> what does it all mean?...
[23:42] <k1l_> regedit_: LTS got 5 years support. which means it gets security updates for 5 years. others only have 9 months so you need to upgrade your system every 6 months  in a row. if you miss one you dont get any updates
[23:42] <inteus> I think enterprise support has telephone support...
[23:42] <inteus> otherwise there's free community support by volunteers
[23:42] <regedit_> dont get any updates? really? they wont come up in apt-get update/upgrade ?
[23:42] <k1l_> regedit_: support means (besides the community support) you can install programs already made working with ubuntu and you get security updates
[23:43] <k1l_> regedit_: if you are past the lifespan of that release the servers get shut down
[23:43] <k1l_> so either LTS or you need to upgrade every 6 months. so as a beginner start with LTS.
[23:44] <regedit_> and if i stay on an earlier non-LTS release, it won't work to keep apt-getting latest updates from the next release repositories?
[23:44] <k1l_> regedit_: no
[23:44] <k1l_> you cant mix the releases.
[23:44] <regedit_> hm
[23:44] <regedit_> what does backports mean tho
[23:45] <regedit_> a future release can drink packages from an earlier release?
[23:45] <k1l_> regedit_: backports only work as long as the release gets support.
[23:45] <k1l_> scratch that "i use a non supported release". there is no chance
[23:46] <regedit_> so the backports package developers specifically had to have the future release in mind, otherwise the future release couldnt apt-get it?
[23:46] <k1l_> backports are stuff from a newer release backported to the older release. but that works only as long as that older release is in support still.
[23:46] <iron883>  right now I am running 14.04. I will probably wait for the next LTS version before I upgrade
[23:47] <k1l_> regedit_: there are right now 14.04, 15.04 and 15.10 that are supported.14.04 get stuff backported from 15.04 and 15.10
[23:47] <RoadRunner> khm..  anybody
[23:48] <regedit_> k1l_: oh i thought *future* releases also get backports from *anterior* release
[23:48] <k1l_> regedit_: no. that is the opposite of back
[23:49] <k1l_> regedit_: if you want older stuff use the older LTS.
[23:49] <regedit_> i know, but i thought i kept seeing that in my apt repositories about willy (or something) while i was on vivid
[23:50] <k1l_> o_O
[23:50] <k1l_> so you added other repos and PPAs not made for 15.04?
[23:50] <regedit_> er.... possibly?....
[23:50] <k1l_> best way to make your system a mess
[23:51] <compdoc> brodude, with cpu dont matter. Intel is faster, tho. GPU, maybe nVidia, if you want a gaming gpu
[23:51] <regedit_> i may have wanted to get some package installed, searched online for how to get it, and saw instructions (yes for 15.04!) about adding such repos
[23:51] <VFDPrim> no the best way to do that is to upgrade to 15.10 with an amd card lol
[23:51] <regedit_> i may not be completely certain of what i'm talking about tho
[23:51] <compdoc> or do you mean onboard gpu?
[23:51] <k1l_> regedit_: you need to upgrade to 15.10 anyway
[23:52] <k1l_> in january2016 15.04 will be EndOfLife. so you need to upgrade to 15.10 until then
[23:52] <regedit_> hm right
[23:53] <regedit_> need to find an available time off my laptop to get that taken care of..
[23:53] <k1l_> that is why you have the choice: either LTS (14.04) or you need to upgrade every 6 months in a row.
[23:53] <regedit_> i hate lagging behind in my version numbers, it's like not having the highest score
[23:53] <regedit_> :D
[23:54] <regedit_> if i get the latest version, I win the game of linux distros! (for a while)
[23:54] <sam__> okay so
[23:55] <sam__> im new to ubuntu and ive gotten to the magical place of a program freezing and now i think i need to find the job id and kill it
[23:55] <iron883> you can install xkill
[23:55] <iron883> it makes killing frozen programs really easy
[23:56] <sam__> how do i list the jobs "jobs -l"
[23:56] <sam__> and then what?
[23:56] <sdk> ps aux
[23:57] <sam__> ps e
[23:58] <sam__> thank you
[23:58] <snypzzx> anyone using ubuntu on chuwi hi8 ...?


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[18:18] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: what can we do with llvm-toolchain-9 on i386? you previously dropped z3 as a build-dependency on Ubuntu, but now it's back and we definitely don't want it on i386
[18:19] <vorlon> its dependencies are horrible
[18:20] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: also, took care of all the other missing-build-oni386 that you pointed out; some of them were /not/ appropriate for binary removal, they were e.g. dep-waits (libsemanage has a new build-dep on secilc) or were whitelisted but got caught without binaries and needed rebuilt (inkscape)
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[20:54] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks vorlon I knew something were dep-wait, but I wasn't aware of the "solution" :)
[20:55] <LocutusOfBorg> wrt llvm-toolchain-9 I don't see it "back", can you please elaborate?
[21:19] <LocutusOfBorg> now some of the stuff you removed on i386 before, has failing autopkgtests...
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[01:06] <cleary> cjwatson: are you about perchance?
[01:08] <cleary> I'm having a look through the ubuntu-cdimage project, just trying to kick off a test build - the README is pretty helpful
[01:08] <cleary> but, I can't get it started -
[01:10] <cleary> bin/for-project ubuntu bin/cron.daily-live exits with an OSError: No such file or dir
[01:13] <cleary> seems to be failing on the lock_build_image_set func, calling lockfile
[01:15] <cleary> ok, typing my way through it has yielded what is probably an obvious issue ... lockfile bin doesn't exist on my system ;)
[01:15] <StevenK> cleary: Install procmail
[01:17] <cleary> hi StevenK - got it, thanks
[01:23] <cleary> StevenK: do you use this cdimage tool at all?
[01:25] <cleary> I'm going through the README which documents the process somewhat
[01:26] <cleary> and the steps, while having an obvious description, don't seem obvious in what they achieve as part of the process
[01:27] <cleary> ...I don't mean to waste your time, I'll plumb through each of them and see if I can work out the tie-together
[01:28] <cleary> I'm looking for a way to a) build a standard (k)ubuntu livecd only (from scratch), and b) customise that process to include some of my own packages and changes
[01:28] <cleary> I'm not interested in a remaster process
[01:29] <cjwatson> For historical reasons not all the bits required to build an entire live CD from scratch are currently in cdimage
[01:29] <cjwatson> A while back I got clearance to release all the remaining glue provided I rewrote it all in unit-tested Python in the process
[01:29] <cjwatson> So I'm currently in the middle of that
[01:30] <cjwatson> I should have a better answer in a few weeks :)
[01:30] <cleary> cjwatson: ok, that's great news. I was trying to work out why I had never found this tool -
[01:30] <cjwatson> livecd-rootfs has code to drive live-build to do the squashfs generation
[01:30] <cjwatson> And cdimage has most of the bits required to download that from a builder and assemble it
[01:31] <cjwatson> But (a) the glue between those is currently unreleased (b) there needs to be a thing that lets you just build on the same system rather than the full mechanism of going off to a separate builder
[01:31] <cjwatson> (In general a separate builder is necessary since the livefs might need to be built for a different architecture)
[01:32] <cleary> that makes sense
[01:32] <infinity> That thing that lets you build all on one system should probably just be live-build, but teaching live-build all of debian-cd's pool construction tricks is non-trivial.
[01:32] <cjwatson> At the moment, you could start with BuildLiveCD in livecd-rootfs (which is the ssh trigger that our production cdimage instance calls), use that to build a squashfs, and then modify lib/cdimage/livefs.py to point to wherever you've stored the livefs
[01:32] <infinity> (Or, debian-cd and live-build could use tighter integration to Just Work together without a ton of glue)
[01:32] <cjwatson> At that point it ought to be possible to use bin/cron.daily-live
[01:33] <cjwatson> It'll be a bit cumbersome right now though
[01:33] <cjwatson> And yeah, you need a full local mirror to make the debian-cd bits work properly
[01:33] <cjwatson> Well, main+restricted for the relevant architecture(s) at least
[01:34] <infinity> And universe, he's building kubuntu.
[01:34] <infinity> Unless they don't have a live-ship seed?
[01:34] <cjwatson> Ah I didn't see that.  Indeed
[01:34] <infinity> Which they might not.
[01:34] <cjwatson> They do (ship-live)
[01:35] <cleary> so I couldn't get away with pointing it at an apt caching proxy of some sort then :)
[01:35] <cjwatson> No, it hardlinks to the files as part of constructing the image
[01:35] <cleary> ok, there's quite a bit of extra infrastructure I'll need to put in place
[01:36] <cleary> as a little bit of background, I've mentioned I've been using my own scripts
[01:36] <cleary> these are based on the tools used by the aptosid/sidux team for building their livecd releases
[01:36] <cjwatson> live-build is much better at being locally customisable
[01:36] <cleary> written predominantly by kel modderman, not sure if you know him
[01:36] <cjwatson> I do
[01:36] <cjwatson> Though it's been a while
[01:37] <cleary> I was involved with sidux for some time as a developer, due to my work requirements
[01:37] <cleary> we deployed livecd based desktops in production, and kel and I worked on the various building incarnations together
[01:38] <cleary> about two years ago, managing an unstable repo became too much for me
[01:38] <cleary> so I looked to ubuntu as the least cost stable repo move
[01:39] <cleary> um, actually it was 2009
[01:39] <cleary> 9.10 was my first production release here
[01:39] <cleary> anyway, I had no luck finding your tools (which makes sense, they weren't released)
[01:40] <cleary> so I forked kel's pyfll tool for ubuntu-isms
[01:40] <cleary> casper and soforth
[01:40] <cleary> and that's what I've been using since - but I've been flying solo for a long time, and I've decided I need to get ... help
[01:40] <cjwatson> cdimage has been released for a long time, but essentially in its current state
[01:41] <cjwatson> (At least as far as coverage goes)
[01:41] <cleary> part of that process was to package and release pyfll-ubuntu properly
[01:41] <cjwatson> But anyway, yeah
[01:42] <cleary> so I was creating a project in launchpad that highlighted similar projects, cdimage showed up and here I am ;)
[01:42] <cjwatson> Do you actually need complete identity with Kubuntu as your starting point, or could you get by with live-build's --binary-images=iso-hybrid mode?
[01:42] <cleary> I don't need any kubuntu identity
[01:42] <cleary> kde will be what I deploy as the DE
[01:42] <cleary> that's the only association
[01:43] <cjwatson> The latter won't give you completely accurate pool, image preseeding, that kind of thing, won't necessarily have the same boot loader menu, probably has no UEFI support right now, various other things - but the live filesystem it emits will be the same and it should at least boot and probably install with a bit of love
[01:43] <cleary> let me dive into the info you've provided
[01:43] <cjwatson> And it will be much less setup
[01:44] <cleary> well, that's somewhere near what I'm looking for for now
[01:44] <cleary> my tool is good, but it's duplicated work since you guys are doing this too
[01:45] <cleary> I'm trying to determine whether I commit to maintaining it as a project, or whether I can get onboard with your stuff
[01:45] <cleary> seems my timing was good
[01:45] <cjwatson> There's also ubuntu-defaults-builder, which has an ubuntu-defaults-image tool that's designed for really low-effort customised builds
[01:45] <cjwatson> It's used by various localised builds of Ubuntu for instance
[01:45] <cjwatson> And sits on top of live-build
[01:46] <cleary> hadn't heard of it either, ok - that may be useful too
[01:46] <cjwatson> Depends how extensive your customisations are, really
[01:46] <cleary> well, 99% are packaged
[01:46] <cleary> there are occasional requirements for some chroot fuckery
[01:46] <cjwatson> It was kind of designed to guide the localised projects into builds that didn't diverge too far so that the result would be supportable by us, but you might find it useful all the same
[01:47] <cleary> yeah, that sounds like what I'm after
[01:47] <cleary> however, I'm seeing some potential for the "release management" elements of the cdimage tools
[01:47] <cjwatson> It's a 300-line shell script so shouldn't be desperately hard to bodge into some slightly different shape if necessary :)
[01:48] <cleary> I will check it out now - this has been a huge help, thankyou
[01:48] <cleary> in the meantime, I might just bump a package into a ppa instead of going the whole lp project
[01:48] <cjwatson> Those elements are the biggest reason cdimage remains useful to us; OTOH they are rather tightly tied to our particular layout right now
[01:49] <cjwatson> I'm vaguely planning to make them a bit less ridiculously hardcoded as part of the Python rewrite, or at least consolidate the hardcoding in one place
[01:50] <cleary> well, I'm interested in assisting if I can - my ability to code, while tertiary backed, is pretty rusty
[01:50] <cleary> however, I have a production release requirement, version and release management requirements
[01:50] <cleary> customisations etc, so at the very least it's a good testing area for de-hardcodification
[01:51] <cjwatson> Ta.  At the moment I'm trying to rewrite from one language to another while simultaneously integrating a long-lived production fork (and the whole thing not as my most important task), so it's quite a lot to hold in my head :)
[01:51] <cjwatson> Should be easier once I'm further along
[01:51] <cleary> I understand - once again, thanks for the info
[01:51] <cjwatson> I've been procrastinating on publish-release, but it's the most important one to tackle as it's really outgrown shell
[01:52] <cjwatson> It's interesting, after a long drought you're the second person to express interest in setting up cdimage in the last week or so
[01:53] <cleary> off the record (so to speak), if you could get Kel interested in it too, you would find a strong resource
[01:53] <cleary> ...maybe too strong
[01:53] <cleary> he makes things happen very quickly
[01:54] <cjwatson> Noted, thanks
[01:54] <cleary> well, now you've got a community :)
[01:55] <cleary> I'm going to spend a day or two digesting this
[01:55] <cleary> out of curiousity, do you guys know if irssi logs automatically?
[01:56] <cjwatson> It doesn't
[01:56] <cjwatson>   "fe-common/core" = {
[01:56] <cjwatson> ...
[01:56] <cjwatson>     autolog_path = "~/.irssi/logs/$tag/$0/%Y-%m-%d.log";
[01:56] <cjwatson>     autolog = "yes";
[01:57] <cjwatson> (that's all under settings) is what I have here; season to taste
[01:57] <cleary> I haven't used irc for a long time, I'm regretting not jumping to irssi earlier
[01:57] <cleary> I might have had a clue coming back to it :P
[01:58] <cleary> thanks, I'll try and set it up properly for next time ;)
[01:58] <cjwatson> irssi is generally a good choice
[01:59] <cleary> http://puzlhed.net/2009/09/13/Saving_a_Buffer_in_Irssi.html/
[01:59] <cleary> :)
[02:00] <cleary> I hope that didn't just dump in channel...
[02:00] <cleary> holy shit
[02:00] <cjwatson> It didn't
[02:00] <cleary> few
[02:00] <cjwatson> /lastlog's always local AFAIK
[02:00] <cleary> heh, phew
[02:01] <cleary> alright, off to lunch - later
[02:01] <cjwatson> see you
[11:22] <davmor2> xnox, cjwatson:  I just had a thought if I get the install to the broken state.  I can install sshserver and probably allow access to the machine right?  Or would it need to reboot to allow the SSH to work?
[11:24] <xnox> davmor2: yeah, you could do that. Really all we need you to do is to: (a) copy / upload any /var/crash/* files (b) file a bug with ubuntu-bug ubiquity. While you are in the broken state.
[11:24] <mpt> xnox, what do you think of removing "Reinstall from sync" from the installer spec? It's a pretty marginal feature, and I don't think that school group is coming back. :-)
[11:25] <davmor2> xnox: okay I can do that too
[11:25] <xnox> mpt: go ahead, as long as it is saved in the history/revisions somewhere.
[11:25] <davmor2> I'll have a play with it in a bit and see what I can get from it I need it to report a usb mic bug first though
[11:25] <xnox> mpt: funny, since with the u1 plugin we now have full way to authenticate against u1 ;-)
[11:26] <mpt> xnox, doesn't seem to be any way to label a revision, but you can look back at this IRC log and see that I removed it on March 8th
[11:31] <xnox> mpt: i mean we should be able to view them. E.g. File -> Show revision history?
[11:31] <xnox> will that still have your sketches and text?
[11:32] <mpt> xnox, yes. It's just that the listed revisions are numerous and unlabelled.
[11:32] <xnox> mpt: good enough to scroll to 8th of March =)
[11:32] <mpt> yep
[11:32] <mpt> done
[11:33] <mpt> And now that it's gone, if the third-party software question is pushed back, the Internet connection step can go after the partitioning step as well.
[11:43] <mpt> though that would delay downloading of updates a bit.
[11:44] <xnox> mpt: download updates is the last step as it is.
[11:44] <mpt> xnox, what do you mean by "the last step"?
[11:45] <xnox> mpt: updates are downloaded and installed at the very end of the progress bar (last time it jumps back to 0)
[11:45] <xnox> mpt: i ponder if it will delay activating hard-drive / raid drivers, without which one will have hard time partitioning.
[11:45] <mpt> xnox, why not in parallel?
[11:46] <xnox> mpt: because there is no place to download them to =)
[11:46] <mpt> oh
[11:46] <mpt> I'm not familiar with how many times the progress bar jumps back to 0, mainly because it shouldn't ;-)
[11:47] <xnox> mpt: we can't store all updates in ram, so we have to partition, format, prepare the target, once we can chroot into it, that's when we do `apt-get update & dist-upgrade`
[11:47] <xnox> more or less.
[11:47] <mpt> ok
[12:32] <davmor2> xnox: okay I've just tried 3 time with the same cd that I had the issue with and now it's not locking up
[12:35] <davmor2> xnox: I'll have a play with it over the weekend and see if I can replicate it and file a bug for it. but I need to get on with some work now,  I'm assuming it is some random race condition that is triggering it :(  cause those are always the nicest things in the world to track down :(
[13:01] <xnox> davmor2: fair enough =)