[12:59] <fsckr> when running gutsy and compiz-fusion how much memory does it use up for you guys?  Mines 17.4MB
[01:07] <jussi01> fsckr: you would be better off asking in #ubuntu-effects
[01:38] <Instabin> I is there a package for google earth?
[01:40] <jussi01> Instabin: I dont think so
[01:42] <Instabin> lol I just got an update and the only 2 things in there
[01:42] <Instabin> command-not-found and command-not-found-data
[01:42] <Instabin> lol
[01:48] <kiba> I am having problem with  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-plugin-gnash_0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[01:50] <soul9> and what is the problem?
[01:50] <kiba> it doesn't install and keep all the other packages from upgrading
[01:50] <soul9> what is the error?
[01:50] <soul9> are you using gutsy?
[01:50] <kiba> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:50] <kiba> sould9: yes
[01:50] <kiba> it been like that for days
[01:50] <kiba> now
[01:51] <kiba> I am unable to upgrade my system
[01:51] <soul9> paste the whole error to
[01:51] <soul9> !paste > kiba
[01:51] <soul9> !paste
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[01:52] <kiba> working on it..
[01:53] <kiba> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34130/
[01:58] <soul9> kiba, so you'll need to try and edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst
[01:59] <soul9> but I'm not sure it'll work, as I think those are always overwritten
[01:59] <soul9> worth a try tho
[01:59] <soul9> can you paste that file to the same place
[02:02] <kiba> got to go
[02:36] <Acanar> shouldn't "sudo update-manager -c -d" give me the option to upgrade from Feisty to Gibbon?
[02:37] <muelli> where can I actually set the number of workspaces?
[02:40] <Acanar> What is the correct way to upgrade from Feisty to Gibbon? I've read about changing "feisty" to "gibbon" in /etc/apt/sources.list but i'm not sure thats the right way to do it.
[02:49] <muelli> Acanar: the update-manager should do the trick
[02:49] <muelli> update-manager -d -c or the like
[02:49] <crdlb> Acanar, it's "feisty fawn" and "gutsy gibbon"
[02:49] <crdlb> so if you were going to do it manually, you'd put "gutsy"
[02:50] <Acanar> i'm trying it (sudo update-manager -c -d) and I get the same window as if I run update-manager with no flags. it says I don't have any updates and doesn't say anything about gutsy gibbon
[02:52] <Acanar> am I correct in assuming the update-manager method would be safer than manualy changing my sources.list?
[02:52] <muelli> well Acanar. more or less. I think it doesn't do anything else though...
[02:54] <Acanar> does it mean anything that my terminal says "current dist not found in meta-release file" in my terminal? I think I'll just download tribe 4 and reinstall. This is a new install of feisty anyway
[03:06] <kiba> hello
[03:07] <kiba> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34130/
[03:11] <kiba> if anybody can help me, please respond..
[03:29] <CyberSlug> Hello everyone! In my ubuntu gutsy, after upgrading my system a while ago (cannot exactly remember how long now - but the current package lists have not fixed it), none of my USB devices automount
[03:29] <Jordan_U> kiba, Could you pastebin your /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst
[03:29] <CyberSlug> any ideas?
[03:30] <Jordan_U> kiba, And have you filed a bug yet, or checked if one has already been filed?
[03:31] <kiba> no
[03:31] <Jordan_U> kiba, Please do
[03:31] <kiba> report a bug :/
[03:32] <Jordan_U> kiba, Check first, but yes
[03:33] <Hobbsee> oh, meh
[03:33] <CyberSlug> Has anyone else experienced my problem? There is a bug filed in launchpad, but there does not seem to be much response there, and I have not heard much from anyone else about it
[03:33] <Hobbsee> kiba: can you pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst ?
[03:33] <kiba> I am
[03:33] <kiba> !paste
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[03:33] <kiba> !paste > kiba
[03:34] <Jordan_U> kiba, Looks like a bug has already been filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/131864
[03:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:35] <kiba> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34135/
[03:36] <kiba> any workaround?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> kiba: fix the postinst.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> easy
[03:41] <kiba> uh how?
[03:41] <kiba> I am not familiar with the syntax
[03:43] <Hobbsee> the bash doesnt validate
[03:43] <Hobbsee> sorry, dash
[03:44] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Shame on the Ubuntu devs having a Bashism
[03:45] <Jordan_U> Unless that's completely upstream, in which case shame on upstream / Debian
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: doesnt look like a bashism to me
[03:46] <Hobbsee> but that shell script...i dont know enough shell to fix it
[03:46] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Oh, I havn't actually looked at it, I assumed that is what you meant
[03:47] <Hobbsee> kiba: oh, read the bottom of the bug
[03:47] <Hobbsee> it's fixed now
[03:47] <kiba> just upgrade now?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> you'll need to remove it manually
[03:48] <kiba> ok
[03:48] <kiba> removing the postinstall thingie
[03:48] <Hobbsee> where "it' is the package,
[03:49] <kiba> did I do something just bad right now?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> if you followed the steps told in the bug report, no
[03:49] <Hobbsee> if you just removed the postinst, and didnt follow the instructions in the bug report...yes.
[03:50] <kiba> yes
[03:50] <kiba> I did
[03:50] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:51] <kiba> cool?
[03:51] <kiba> not so cool man!
[03:52] <Jordan_U> kiba, Did you follow the instructions or did you remove the file?
[03:52] <kiba> just remove the file
[03:52] <Hobbsee> why?
[03:53] <ameyer> Hobbsee: well, yess is just saying that one of the two is correct...
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ameyer: indeed.  which is useless.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> particularly if one wants more help
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:52]  <kiba> just remove the file
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:52]  <Hobbsee> why?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:53]  * Hobbsee notes that when given an "either or" question, the correct answer is NOT yes.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:53]  <ameyer> Hobbsee: well, yess is just saying that one of the two is correct...
[03:54] <Hobbsee> [11:54]  <Hobbsee> ameyer: indeed.  which is useless.
[03:55] <ameyer> yeah, it is
[03:56] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/131864
[03:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Fix released]
[03:56] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Removing the file will probably work also, all the script does is run update-alternatives, the rest isn't needed if you do that manually
[03:56] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Though he should probably put it back as per the bug report anyways
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: "if"
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: the "if you do that manually" part is the important part there
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: your'e right, whether the postinst is there or not wont matter for the next upgrade, as the new package will just add the postinst again
[03:59] <Jordan_U> kiba_, Re-make the file from your paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34135/ then follow the fix in the comments of the bug report
[04:01] <kiba_> link to bug report
[04:02] <kiba_> please..
[04:02] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/131864
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Fix released]
[04:05] <kiba_> thanks dude
[04:06] <kiba_> fixed already eh
[04:06] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:06] <Hobbsee> was fixed on teh 12th
[04:09] <kiba_> for several days...
[04:17] <kiba_> hmm
[04:17] <kiba_> the instruction for it is rusty
[04:18] <kiba_> then there also the issue of an unmet depedency :(
[04:22] <Hobbsee> which one?
[04:26] <kiba_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp6_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[04:27] <kiba_> that why I shouldn't run experimental software
[04:27] <shirish> kiba_: I was going to say the same thing, good I'm not the only one way who is having issues with the upgrade
[04:27] <shirish> libmpt6 not being able to be installed hence rythmbox is not configured properly
[04:28] <kiba_> testers make life easier for the rest of us
[04:28] <databuddy> lol
[04:28] <kiba_> ?
[04:28] <databuddy> thats also why we run multiple packages that do any given task~!
[04:28] <databuddy> if rythmbox is not treating you right try quod libet
[04:28] <databuddy> if you dont like that check out listen
[04:28] <databuddy> if not that amarock might do it for you
[04:29] <Hobbsee> kiba_: well, yes...
[04:29] <databuddy> and as a last resort there is always banshee :>
[04:29] <shirish> didn't know there is/was a package called quod libet
[04:29] <databuddy> [plus thats why i have seperate feisty and gutsy installs :>]
[04:29] <kiba_> lunchpad is not Free software
[04:29] <kiba_> I am disappointed
[04:29] <databuddy> btw Hobbsee if ppl hollah about firefox bugs make sure they are on default theme.
[04:29] <databuddy> and i mean ubuntu default theme not firefox's
[04:29] <databuddy> lol
[04:29] <shirish> kiba_: A part of it had recently been made open source
[04:30] <Jordan_U> kiba, But neither is sourceforge :)
[04:30] <kiba_> right
[04:30] <Jordan_U> kiba, And they do plan on making it open source
[04:30] <kiba_> someday open source will lost its meaning as it become marketingspeak
[04:31] <kiba_> s/lost/lose
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kiba_: if you're not wanting breakage, you shouldnt be running gutsy yet
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kiba_: besidse, i've fixed the libmtp stuff
[04:31] <kiba_> Hobbsee: breakage is part of life for experimental softwares
[04:31] <Hobbsee> shirish: uh?  which part?
[04:31] <kiba_> I want to run the latest and greatest
[04:31] <Jordan_U> kiba, Try Archlinux :)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> kiba_: indeed, which is why you need to be able to follow bug reports, and instructions on fixing things
[04:32] <databuddy> kiba: how big is your hdd? actually whats you partition setup like?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> kiba_: oh, and to not say things like "there is an unmet dependancy".
[04:32] <shirish> Hobbsee: hang on, it was on announcements, about a month back, if needed can google it & let you guys know
[04:32] <Hobbsee> kiba_: seeing as there are 102 packages not installable due to them.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> shirish: oh, not landscape, the other one
[04:33] <kiba_> I run Debian unstable for a long time
[04:33] <Hobbsee> shirish: yeah, i remember which one you mean
[04:33] <Jordan_U> shirish, It was CSCVS
[04:33] <kiba_> every once in a while, someone put a wench into my system
[04:33] <kiba_> it was not fun but I don't want to run old softwares
[04:33] <shirish> Hobsee: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/storm-python-orm-open-sourced
[04:34] <Hobbsee> shirish: ah yes, that's the one
[04:34] <Hobbsee> shirish: and tab is your friend
[04:34] <Jordan_U> kiba, Have you tried a distro with rolling releases?
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> like gentoo?
[04:35] <Jordan_U> Or Archlinux <3
[04:35] <Jordan_U> nosrednaekim, But yes
[04:36] <shirish> Hobbsee: when did you fix the libmpt6 stuff?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> shirish: about an hour ago?
[04:37] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok, then its gonna take time to come out to the various mirrors I guess
[04:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, couple of hours
[04:38] <Hobbsee> you can just force overwrite it, though
[04:38] <shirish> Hobbsee: nah, I would wait for it
[04:56] <Assid> vrv
[04:56] <Assid> brb
[05:00] <|Assid|> back
[05:02] <Assid> okay
[05:02] <Assid> so
[05:02] <Assid> anyone got any updates on how to print on gutsy?
[05:02] <Assid> cups doesnt seem to like mr
[05:02] <Assid> me
[05:04] <shirish> Assid: there is something called system-config-printer,  have you installed it? And did you update it/upgrade it, there have been some updates couple of hrs. back also.
[05:05] <shirish> Assid: while I don't have access to a printer atm, there is a spec. which I could give a re-direct you so you know what's going on
[05:05] <Assid> hrmm k.. one sec.. lemme update adept
[05:05] <Assid> lets see what it says
[05:05] <Assid> wish i checked it earlier.. now my line is only 256kbit
[05:07] <shirish> Assid: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter that has all the blueprints on printing
[05:07] <shirish> Assid: he is the main developer/maintainer who does all printing stuff (I guess) at ubuntu atleast on gutsy
[05:08] <Assid> hrmm k
[05:08] <Assid> kiba: what installation?
[05:09] <kiba_> my linux distro
[05:09] <Assid> hrmm
[05:09] <Assid> k
[05:09] <shirish> Assid: I'm going off to do my daily business, but if you are new here, I would suggest you look at the blueprint, there would be link to the wiki where each of the idea behind it is explained in greater detail so you know how each component works with another. If you still have some issues, hang around here, somebody would guide you for sure.
[05:09] <kiba_> which managed to catch bugs from gusty update
[05:09] <kiba_> gnash problems and stuff
[05:09] <kiba_> also unmet depeendency stuff :(
[05:10] <shirish> kiba_: both are old news, there is a thread in ubuntu forums, look at development corner about gnash issues
[05:10] <Assid> shirish: why would i need the blueprints?
[05:10] <shirish> Assid: there has been some changes in how things work, I don't claim to understand or haven't tried it but do know some changes have happened.
[05:11] <Assid> one sec.. im gonna try and see if my 2mbit account is still active so i can quickly update
[05:11] <Assid> shirish: ok.. will see what i cna get .. thanks
[05:11] <kiba_> shirish: but I don't follow news
[05:15] <nosrednaekim> yeah... use IRC chat logs ;)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> they are more up to date, yes
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mailing list posts on development lists arent bad either
[05:21] <Hobbsee> gutsy-changes is also useful
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> and of course bug reports...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> true
[05:32] <konam> is that true that compizfusion will not be default on gutsy? I just read it this morning. I know that you guys want to get into the default-3D-desktop bandwagon but compizfusion is not ready yet. Is not our fault, is the fault of the hardware manufacturers and their close source drivers/specifications. If compiz is not ready we don't have a reason to ship it, not by default at least. If this move turn out to be wrong it will tarnish the ubuntu nam
[05:32] <konam> e and just for a 'whim' like this. my 2 cents.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> see the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[05:39] <konam> Hobbsee I just wanted to give my opinion, I wasn't expecting an answer
[05:57] <masterloki> Hobbsee, how bad would it be to let libmtp6 overwrite that /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules ?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> masterloki: not at all, i dont think
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[10:48] <ameyer> haha, <3 wikipedia truthyness...  apparently the first Ubuntu release based on Etch will have SELinux...
[10:48] <ameyer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELinux#Implementations
[10:48] <ameyer> sorry, that's probably somewhat offtopic...
[11:06] <jscinoz> eq any idea where i can get the source for the uvcvideo module?
[11:06] <jscinoz> ti have apatch that should make it work on santarosa
[11:15] <jscinoz> :(
[11:20] <Eq|laptop> jscinoz: the kernel?
[11:21] <jscinoz> not the whole thing just the module
[11:21] <jscinoz> anyways ill be back later gtg dinner
[11:22] <jscinoz> thanks for all the help
[11:22] <Eq|laptop> you'd need to get the kernel source
[11:23] <Eq|laptop> unless it's a 3rd party module, which is unlikely
[11:27] <Do``> hm
[11:28] <Do``> azureus freezes completely when i try adding a new torrent to it
[11:28] <Do``> has anyone seen this in gusty?
[11:29] <pvandewyngaerde> i dont use azureus
[11:29] <pvandewyngaerde> do you get any errer messages ?
[11:30] <pvandewyngaerde> do you see anything in log files ?
[11:32] <Do``> i dont see any error messages
[11:32] <Do``> and i dont know where to look for the log files
[11:32] <Do``> i just know that whatever way i try loading a new torrent file, it freezes permanently
[11:33] <Do``> then i restart it, and it's back to normal
[11:37] <jscinoz> azures gives me some trouble on gutsy too
[11:37] <jscinoz> double clicking a torrent to see more info about it crashes it
[11:38] <pvandewyngaerde> i have problems with slow with slow non responsive gnome-games on kubuntu
[11:40] <Lappy> how can i install the restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[11:46] <masterloki> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp6_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules', which is also in package libmtp5
[11:47] <masterloki> is there a fix for this
[11:47] <masterloki> or how do I rcover libmtp4
[11:50] <elmargol> is tribe 5 delayed?
[11:50] <Sebastian> masterloki: I used dpkg to remove libmtp5 and then the upgrade worked.
[11:50] <pvandewyngaerde> masterloki:  i removed 5, and installed 6
[11:52] <masterloki> is there A howto that I can follow on how to remove it
[11:53] <kakaruto> is it true that compiz is going to be implemented in gutsy?
[11:56] <finalbeta> !schedule
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[11:58] <masterloki> thanks <Sebastian & <pvandewyngaerde that work out I forgot that I can remove packages from synaptic I am still new to unbuntu
[12:07] <nikolam> Does Ooo on gutsy doesn`t work on you as it on mine x86-64 installation?
[12:08] <pvandewyngaerde> i think you need to install openoffice.org-gnome
[12:08] <nikolam> will check it out. Thanks.
[12:11] <nikolam> Nope, no change Ooo still dont start
[12:11] <pvandewyngaerde> do you get an error message ?
[12:12] <nikolam> ** (process:7623): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...
[12:13] <nikolam> when I start oowiter from console
[12:16] <pvandewyngaerde> nikolam:  could it be this bug ? http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=80539
[12:16] <ubotu> OpenOffice.org bug 80539 in framework "bad gtk initialization causes hang on glib 2.13.x gtk 2.11.x" [Defect,Closed: worksforme]
[12:18] <twosouls82> what changed in the font setup (from Feisty to Gutsy)? My fonts look horrible... subpixel rendering is turned on nowadays?
[12:18] <nikolam> I duuno, I am runing fresh updated tribe3 xubuntu, Ooo dont start
[12:19] <nikolam> It seem it is that bug and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/127944
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed]
[12:19] <nikolam> OK :)
[12:21] <twosouls82> nikolam: on the page of the bug report seems to be a solution to your problem too
[12:21] <twosouls82> +there =)
[12:21] <nikolam> Ok, i am happy enough that Bug exists.
[12:22] <nikolam> Thank you!
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> yeah OOo wont start for me either, I posted a bug update a few days ago
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> its been that way now and started just before tribe 3
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> s/way/way for a few weeks/
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> Konqueror still crashes on flash sites too
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> ff is fine
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> with now and again crashes that seem to be related to java/flash heavy web sites
[01:00] <Linux_Galore> ktorrent crashes when you try clear a download after it is complete if you have a few downloads running
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> hardware though seems fine accept glx wont load for me for some stupid reason so no 3D
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> this is on stock a stock intel machine with a nvidia card
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> s/stock//
[01:04] <Do``> those bugs you listed seem pretty common
[01:04] <Do``> my ooo wont start either
[01:04] <Do``> my opera freezese all the time with flash content (which after the freeze wont even display)
[01:04] <Do``> and azureus freezes permanently when trying to add a torrent file
[01:04] <Do``> so java and flash have serious problems
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> I noticed though the shutdown last night was ultra fast, I though something had broken
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> thought*
[01:08] <Linux_Galore> so I tried it again, yep it was that fast
[01:09] <Linux_Galore> the startup is faster than windows XP for me (even makes OSX look a bit slow)
[01:10] <Linux_Galore> Do``: yeah Java/Flash is a pain
[01:11] <Linux_Galore> adept has stopped crashing
[01:12] <twosouls82> I just read that Opera seems to have the same issue with flash as Konqueror is having
[01:12] <Do``> well opera doesnt crash per say
[01:13] <Do``> but every embedded flash object causes a 30-40 second freeze
[01:13] <Do``> and after that it's replaced by a grey box
[01:13] <twosouls82> Konqi keeps looping on something :(
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> its not konqueror per se its the plugin manager, check "top" (or ksysguard) you will see what I mean
[01:15] <twosouls82> wtf 6 instances of it
[01:28] <Happu> is anyone experiensing problems with samsung DVD-RW driver on gusty?
[01:28] <Happu> mine doesn't mount
[01:47] <Assid> wtf
[01:47] <Assid> firefox crrashing like crazy
[01:48] <dennda> are these bold fonts normal?
[01:49] <dennda> large fonts, tiny icons
[01:50] <jscinoz> hey guys
[01:51] <jscinoz> trying to get my webcam working under gutsy, and i need to install a patched uvcvideo, i've installed it but if i modprobe uvcvideo i get "FATAL: Error inserting uvcvideo (/lib/modules/2.6.22-9-generic/ubuntu/media/usbvideo/uvcvideo.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter" and dmesg returns "uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32" what should i do?
[01:54] <dennda> err gdm doesn't accept TAB any longer ;)
[02:02] <Eq|laptop> jscinoz: that didn't work for my audio :(
[02:02] <jscinoz> hmm
[02:02] <jscinoz> maybe the soundcards different
[02:02] <Eq|laptop> yeah
[02:02] <jscinoz> but it worked on my santa rosa laptop
[02:02] <dennda> Does gutsy utilize compiz fusion by default? (or is it normal compiz / beryl?)
[02:02] <Eq|laptop> there seem to be 4-6 different chipsets used for audio on the santa rosa boards
[02:02] <Eq|laptop> yes.
[02:03] <Eq|laptop> have you done depmod -a since you replaced the uvcvideo module jscinoz?
[02:03] <jscinoz> no letm e do one now
[02:03] <dennda> Eq|laptop: Was your "yes." intended to answer my question?
[02:03] <jscinoz> blast your logic
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> dennda: yes.
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> jscinoz: working?
[02:04] <jscinoz> dennda, Yes, compiz fusion is the default
[02:04] <dennda> Eq|laptop: thanks
[02:04] <jscinoz> well the driver installed gotta test
[02:04] <dennda> Where's the compiz-fusion settings dialog?
[02:04] <dennda> What was it's package name?
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> you have to install it..
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> do a search for compiz
[02:04] <jscinoz> god damnit
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> if you're using gnome, you can get some basic settings from GLDesktop
[02:04] <jscinoz> still doesnt work even with patched driver
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> far easier to use than the full settings manager
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> but doesn't do as much
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> heh
[02:04] <Eq|laptop> typical mate
[02:05] <Eq|laptop> right, i'm going to play some guild wars.
[02:05] <Eq|laptop> bbl
[02:05] <dennda> Eq|laptop: doesn't find any "settings manager"
[02:05] <Eq|laptop> dennda: do a search for compiz - it's there
[02:05] <dennda> ah now it doeas
[02:05] <dennda> sorry for the mezz
[02:05] <dennda> mess
[02:05] <Eq|laptop> heh
[02:21] <Asd> Hi
[02:21] <Asd> How do i get ubuntu 7.10?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ...
[02:22] <Asd> Sorry
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Asd: if you have to ask, you shouldnt be running it.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Asd: 7.10 doesnt exist yet
[02:23] <Asd> I have downloaded and installed ubuntu
[02:23] <Asd> I want to get the newest package
[02:23] <runge> Hobbsee, that makes me a bit hesitatnt to ask about my problem when trying to upgrade
[02:23] <Asd> In Debian i just change it to unstable
[02:23] <runge> I get Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Asd: it breaks.  you dont want to run it
[02:23] <Hobbsee> runge: disable that repo, it hasnt been updated for gutsy yet
[02:23] <IdleOne> Asd: 7.10 is not ready to be used
[02:23] <Asd> I just want the newest packages...
[02:23] <runge> Hobbsee, ah thanks!
[02:23] <Hobbsee> runge: no problem
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Asd: and the breakage?
[02:24] <IdleOne> Asd: if youare running 7.04 you have the newest packages
[02:24] <Asd> Hmm ok
[02:24] <runge> Hobbsee, being a tad filosofical, do one not need lots of alfa and beta testing to get a good product?
[02:25] <IdleOne> Asd:  7.10 will be released in 2 months wait till it is ready
[02:25] <Jordan_U> runge, But those testers need to know what they are getting into, and be willing and able to report bugs
[02:25] <Asd> Good..
[02:25] <Hobbsee> runge: one does, but one also needs those people testing to file good bugs about it, and not require a huge lot of support (which will clog up other resources), and stop those users providing support, from filing bugs.
[02:26] <runge> yeah I guess you both have good points
[02:26] <Hobbsee> runge: as in, if we have 40 bugs about the same package not installing, clearly our testing audience is dodgy, and should learn to search first.
[02:26] <IdleOne> runge: yes but you want beta testers who understand the risk of running a "Unstable" OS
[02:26] <Hobbsee> runge: incidently, a few people had to go and mark all of those bugs as dupes, which was a waste of time.
[02:26] <Jordan_U> Is it now basically set in stone that no feature freeze exception will be made for Xorg 7.3 ?
[02:27] <runge> hopefully I will be of more good then harm. though no promises..
[02:27] <phoenix_> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=45&CatID=3270&SubCatID=167
[02:27] <phoenix_> is the a newer version of this driver ?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: no.  but most of the stuff will be in by then
[02:27] <elkbuntu> phoenix_, you'll have to explain your problem again, and try to put it all on one line this time
[02:28] <phoenix_> via vt8251 sata chipset not detected
[02:28] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Xorg 7.3 was what I was most looking foreword to in Gutsy, it would be a shame not to ship with it
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: i would expect we do
[02:29] <runge> Jordan_U,  any big new thing in xorg 7.3?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> when it's released
[02:29] <phoenix_> i load alternate install cd and it gets to detect the hdd .. says none found and i cant find the correct feisty driver elkbuntu
[02:29] <phoenix_> found a dapper one but diff kernel >> link above
[02:29] <Hobbsee> phoenix_: would this happen to be a daily cd?
[02:29] <phoenix_> nop
[02:29] <phoenix_> alternate feisty
[02:29] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg7.3
[02:30] <Hobbsee> phoenix_: then you're in the wrong channel.  #ubuntu
[02:30] <Hobbsee> this is *gutsy* only
[02:30] <phoenix_> i wanne try gutsy
[02:30] <phoenix_> but same problem
[02:30] <Jordan_U> runge, Much less reliance on xorg.conf, support for hotplugging monitors.
[02:30] <runge> Jordan_U, ah nothing for me then
[02:32] <Jordan_U> runge, Honestly not for me either, but multi monitor support is a deal breaker for many people
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: i think there might be some testing packages out, actually
[02:32] <runge> Jordan_U, I have both my monitor and my lcd-tv connected and working
[02:32] <runge> though, you are right, I needed some xconfig.org editing
[02:33] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, "2007-08-17 bryce: as discussed at the developer meeting yesterday, we're going to opt for leaving xserver 1.4 for Gutsy+1. In checking with some upstream xorg developers, they concur this is probably the wise approach given our release schedule."
[02:33] <phoenix_> Hobbsee,  wher can i find the daily cd ?
[02:33] <phoenix_> and if it allso happens to the daily cd can seek a way to have the driver added ?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: ahhh....i havent read that yet.  i knew that they were pushing for it
[02:34] <Hobbsee> !logs
[02:34] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[02:34] <Hobbsee> phoenix_: the daily cd is known broken
[02:34] <whazilla> bummer
[02:35] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Not sure why the series goal is still listed as Gutsy though
[02:35] <whazilla> so how do i get latest gutsy ?
[02:35] <whazilla> if daily cd is broken ?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> whazilla: use tribe 4
[02:35] <whazilla> kool
[02:36] <Jordan_U> whazilla, That is what tribes are for :)
[02:36] <whazilla> :)
[02:36] <whazilla> i'll download and try tomorrow
[02:36] <whazilla> im afk
[02:36] <whazilla> catch u tomorrow
[02:36] <whazilla> bytehway im phoenix
[02:36] <Assid> hey Hobbsee
[02:37] <phoenix_> bye
[02:37] <whazilla> ttyl
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> so we're not going to have 7.3 in this release?
[02:55] <runge> and there firefox crashed (during upgrade). ah the great feeling of being on the edge. Must be how pirates were sailing uncharted territories in the dark
[02:56] <finalbeta> yes... how brave you are...
[02:56] <shirish> guys can anybody found about a screen reader application called ogra
[02:56] <shirish> supposed to be about accessibility
[02:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: orca.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: ogra is a person
[02:59] <shirish> Hobbsee: oops, its orca is it, sorry didn't mean to offend anybody
[02:59] <shirish> Hobbsee: just heard about it recently
[02:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:00] <runge> finalbeta, one tries to make life at lest sound more interesting then it is. every bit helps!
[03:00] <Jordan_U> I am glad there isn't any package called ogra, it would be a PITA to search for :)
[03:00] <yotux> Is it dangerous to use the same home partion for two different verisions of ubuntu?
[03:01] <Jordan_U> yotux, If one of those versions is Gutsy it could corrupt your preferences files ( or less likely your data )
[03:02] <shirish> Jordan_U: lol, I have heard of more dangerous, naughty packages having names, but don't ask me to recall them now, as I'm really tired. Been attending a local unconference the whole day.
[03:02] <yotux> Jordan_U that is what I was afraid you where going to say
[03:03] <Jordan_U> yotux, You are *probably* safe as long as you use a different user for each
[03:03] <Assid> hrmm
[03:04] <Assid> firefox is pretty unstable :(
[03:04] <Jordan_U> I wouldn't expect any bugs to just start randomly deleting files but there is always the possibility
[03:04] <Jordan_U> Assid, Try running it in safe mode and see if you still have stability issues
[03:04] <Assid> Jordan_U: randomly closes.. cant say
[03:05] <yotux> Jordan_U: I wi;; try to get setup a small IMAP server and then the emails that I need access to are not in danger
[03:05] <Jordan_U> Assid, run "firefox -safe-mode and file a bug with any output you see when it crashes
[03:05] <yotux> EMail is the important part to me.
[03:05] <Assid> Jordan_U: ive filed a few bugs already
[03:06] <Assid> but with the auto crash thing
[03:07] <Jordan_U> Assid, It is best to file bugs while running in safe mode, that way the developers can rule out third party plugins as causing the problem
[03:07] <Assid> its something to do with the raise event
[03:08] <kiba> hmm
[03:09] <Assid> one of these days.. im gonan get that mac bar dock.. and make my machine look like a mac
[03:09] <Assid> too bad i gotta return this geforce 6600GT card :(
[03:09] <Assid> nosrednaekim: you did?
[03:10] <Assid> nosrednaekim: kooldock ?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Assid: yeah, get the package "kwin-baghira"
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Assid: nah.. didn't do a dock yet.
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> I just use the KDE one
[03:10] <Assid> doesnt giv that effect then
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[03:17] <Assid> lemme know when you get a nice dock
[03:17] <Assid> kooldock didnt do it for me
[03:18] <shirish> Assid: I would suggest you use #ubuntu-mozillateam , they are pretty active on firefox issues
[03:20] <Jordan_U> Assid, AWM is nice
[03:20] <Assid> Jordan_U: avant ?
[03:20] <Jordan_U> *AWN
[03:20] <Jordan_U> Assid, Yes
[03:20] <Assid> not part of the respository yet.. and last time i tried to compile i had some issues
[03:21] <Jordan_U> Assid, Did you have all of the dependencies?
[03:21] <Assid> yes
[03:21] <Assid> i think i did
[03:21] <Assid> hold im gonna retry
[03:23] <Assid> cant run either
[03:23] <Assid> neither the preferances nor app
[03:23] <Assid> assid@intelbox:~$ avant-window-navigator
[03:23] <Assid> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:28] <Assid> too bad kde4 wont be in gutsy :(
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> it will be.
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> just not by default
[03:29] <Assid> hrmm backports
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> no... it'll be in the universe.
[03:30] <Assid> really ?
[03:30] <Assid> hrmm.. nice
[03:32] <Assid> still in beta1
[03:32] <Assid> i wonder if its time to try it out..
[03:33] <Assid> hey i can run kde3 and 4 side by side right ?
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> yep
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> but its 1, not easy... and 2, not stable
[03:33] <shirish> guys what's is the meaning of A in the context below, I know the i stands for installed
[03:33] <shirish> i A libxi-dev
[03:34] <shirish> A is for activate or something else?
[03:34] <Assid> alrite time to hit the gym
[03:35] <Assid> laters
[03:37] <shirish> Hobbsee: can you tell me what's the meaning of A in the context below, I know i=installed
[03:37] <shirish> i A libxi-dev
[03:38] <Hobbsee> no
[03:38] <Hobbsee> shirish: only that it's the letter before B
[03:38] <Hobbsee> shirish: you dont seem to have mentioned which program it's in, or anything like that.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> although i'd hazard a guess at aptitude, in which case, i'd suggest you check aptitude's manpage
[03:41] <shirish> Hobbsee: yup, it was of aptitude, and looking at the man page solved the issue.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:02] <DaveTheAve> Hello, I'm getting a little upset with my system. Every time I attempt to load Thunderbird, it attempts to load than never shows up. It worked yesteday, and I have done numerous restarts and updated the system.
[04:03] <DaveTheAve> Also I have noticed that other applications like Komodo, Pidgin, etc. Are failing to load as well.
[04:06] <dennda> Does "Selection and Grouping of Windows" of Compiz Fusion not work in Gutsy? (works on the laptop with feisty, not on the desktop with gutsy)
[04:17] <dennda> forget what i said
[04:21] <DaveTheAve> I'm still looking for help
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> DaveTheAve: ehat error are you getting?
[04:22] <DaveTheAve> let me get a pastbin
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> !oastebin
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oastebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> !paste
[04:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:23] <DaveTheAve> http://pastebin.ca/662239
[04:26] <DaveTheAve> nosrednaekim: http://pastebin.ca/662239
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> k
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> DaveTheAve: hmmm interesting. looks like a bug.
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> see if there is a bug report already.. or go to #thunderbird... may be a thunderbird bug
[04:34] <DaveTheAve> Thank you
[04:34] <DaveTheAve> ... #thunderbird isn't there
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> hmm. go to #mozilla
[04:39] <DaveTheAve> thanks
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> or maybe even #firefox and ask where the thunderbird help is
[04:41] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim:
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> yeah?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> oh, meh, he's left
[04:41] <Hobbsee> was going to say that thunderbird, and mozilla* help is on irc.mozilla.org
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> ah!
[04:42] <Hobbsee> the thunderbird channel is still quiet, but does exist.
[05:14] <cables> I read somewhere that X.org 7.3 was delayed until gutsy+1... is this true?
[05:14] <foxiness> i dont know :) "just a response"
[05:21] <moogman> Hi guys, I'm getting a problem.. HAL isn't starting on boot, but if I restart dbus after login, HAL restarts and all works fine. Any ideas? Could someone also ls -l /etc/rc3.d/{*hal,*dbus}
[05:21] <moogman> I have S12hal, S12dbus, wondering if that's the problem
[05:22] <moogman> I upgraded Feisty->Gutsy earlier FWIW.
[05:23] <Do``> i read on digg that xorg is supposed to have a gui for the testers of gusty
[05:23] <Do``> where can i find it?
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> Anyone know what package contains gtk-window-decorator
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> dpkg-query -S gtk-window-decorator ....
[05:24] <moogman> bluefoxicy: apt-cache search gtk-window-decorator
[05:25] <moogman> =libdecoration0
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> ah, cool
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> moogman:  it's not installed by default and desktop effects breaks without it.
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> k, it is installed
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> however, it doesn't supply that file.
[05:26] <bluefoxicy>  /usr/lib/libdecoration.so.0.0.0 and a bunch of documentation is all it supplies.
[05:26] <geser> compiz-gnome contains gtk-window-decorator
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> alright.  THAT'S not installed :)
[05:27] <geser> if you want compiz install also compiz
[05:27] <bluefoxicy> geser:  what normally controls the desktop effects settings?
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> because by default it seems broken
[05:28] <geser> iirc compiz (a wrapper) checks if compiz can be run or not
[05:28] <moogman> Could anyone help out by pasting the output of: ls -l /etc/rc3.d/{*hal,*dbus}
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> k
[05:29] <geser> moogman: both have S12
[05:29] <bluefoxicy> hm.  Wobbly windows is gone
[05:30] <bluefoxicy> Turning on extra effects freezes my mouse cursor but the pointer still moves invisibly.
[05:31] <geser> bluefoxicy: install compizconfig-settings-manager from universe, start it and check if the plugin in enabled
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> nah, i'll leave it off for now
[05:31] <geser> with ccsm you can also finetune compiz to your liking
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> it causes screen corruption
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> mouse cursor vanishes randomly, chunks of the screen move and other parts don't, pieces vanish, etc.
[05:32] <geser> with normal effects or extra effects?
[05:32] <bluefoxicy> normal effects.
[05:32] <bluefoxicy> Extra effects makes it worse
[05:33] <moogman> Thanks geser. I'm gonna play about with some stuff involving nuking dbus, therefore network manager. cya!
[05:33] <geser> bluefoxicy: I've no problems with normal effects (extra seems to freeze my box). What graphics card do you have?
[05:34] <bluefoxicy> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2)
[05:40] <finalbeta> Where where you when the lights whent out
[05:40] <finalbeta> eeek, sry, wrong channel
[05:43] <elkbuntu> haha
[05:44] <nosrednaekim> haha
[05:45] <Jazzva|away> Has someone recently upgraded to gutsy? How stable is it at the moment? :)
[05:46] <nosrednaekim> its so so.... open office is broken kubuntu... thats about it
[05:46] <Dannilion> I've not had problems the last couple of weeks that I haven't caused myself :p
[05:48] <Jazzva|away> Hmm... sounds stable enough ;)...
[05:48] <Jazzva|away> Thanks...
[05:48] <SeveredCross> For me, Gutsy is v. stable.
[05:49] <SeveredCross> I've been using it since ~Tribe 2, had very small issues.
[05:49] <SeveredCross> Off the top of my head, the only major problems I've had were apt & OpenOffice breakage (this was about the same time, dependency issues), and more recently NetworkManager stuff.
[05:50] <Jazzva|away> Mhm... Thanks for the comment. I guess I'll give it a try :).
[06:43] <leperkhanz> Hey, how do I clean up a full disk?
[06:45] <jussi01> leperkhanz: delete stuff?
[06:46] <dick-richardson> powersave mode in kubuntu gutsy doesn't work properly for me. It's ramping the cpu to the max...htop shows nothing requiring it
[06:48] <leperkhanz> Yeah, but like, what can I delete?  If / is full, then what directories do I need to clean up?
[06:50] <Pici> leperkhanz: directories under /
[06:50] <Pici> If you can get into xwindows, use the disk usage analyzer
[06:50] <leperkhanz> Is home under /?
[06:51] <Pici> leperkhanz: everything is under /, unless you mounted a different partition for /home
[06:53] <dick-richardson> it doesn't do it when the power is plugged in, then powersave works as anticipated
[06:55] <jussi01> dick-richardson: sounds like a bug, please file one.
[06:55] <jussi01> !bug | dick-richardson
[06:55] <ubotu> dick-richardson: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:59] <dick-richardson> jussi01: thank you!
[07:00] <jussi01> dick-richardson: no, thank you. :)
[07:19] <runge> I would have to say: Good job. everything is nicer and my mp3player works now in amarok!
[07:21] <BHSPitMonkey> runge, what kind?
[07:21] <runge> clix2
[07:23] <runge> It looks like some kind of indexer is active as default. I am guessing it is something like whereis/locate..
[07:26] <shirish> guys for some reason I'm not able to hear music on my system, what could be the issue? I was able to hear stuff couple of days ago
[07:27] <shirish> is there any way to test sound?
[07:27] <pvandewyngaerde> speaker-test ?
[07:27] <shirish> pvandewyngaerde: there is something called speaker-test?
[07:28] <shirish> Ok I am running it but no sound is coming, there are a bunch of numbers rolling on the screen though, could they give any indication?
[07:30] <leperkhanz> what's the command line to quit compiz and switch back to metacity?
[07:31] <nosrednaekim> "metacity --replace
[07:32] <leperkhanz> thnx
[07:34] <Do``> hm
[07:34] <Do``> i found a workaround to azureus freezing when i load a torrent file :)
[07:35] <Do``> turn on the webui and upload it from there :)
[07:53] <shirish> hi all, I can't get sound through my PC speakers in gutsy, while couple of days back they were doing well.
[07:54] <shirish> I did the speaker-test & there is no audible output
[07:54] <shirish> I went to windows, and there I can listen to music, so its not a hardware issue for sure.
[07:55] <shirish> oh oh, exaile seems to be giving some traceback
[08:04] <Muelli> is anyone successfully running vmware 6 on a 64bit gutsy?
[08:05] <finalbeta> Muelli: there are posts on the forums about running VMWare on gutsy, check those out.
[08:05] <Do``> is there a way to do a 'sudo apt-get update' & 'sudo apt-get upgrade' in 1 line?
[08:06] <Muelli> webforums suck.. :-\
[08:07] <geser> Do``: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:08] <Do``> hah. thanks :)
[08:08] <finalbeta> Then the answer is no Muelli  =-)
[08:08] <Do``> and how could i make an alias to that?
[08:08] <Do``> like 'update' or something?
[08:08] <Muelli> Do``: I don't know if you can pass sudo multiple commands. But a workaround would be "cat 'apt-get update&&apt-get update' > /tmp/apt; chmod a+x /tmp/apt; sudo /tmp/apt"
[08:09] <finalbeta> Do``: http://www.ss64.com/bash/alias.html
[08:10] <burner__> is the intel video playing with totem bug supposed to be fixed in gutsy?  I thought I saw something in a changelog, but it doesn't seem to work here
[08:10] <Do``> finalbeta: thanks
[08:11] <geser> Do``: alias update="sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[08:12] <bur[n] er> my quotes are off, but you get the idea
[08:12] <geser> add it to ~/.bashrc if you want to keep it
[08:12] <Do``> ye, thanks
[08:12] <bur[n] er> then run "source ~/.bashrc" or reload your term
[08:12] <leperkhanz> anybody wanna help me figure out how I screwed up my $home/.dmrc file?
[08:13] <bur[n] er> that said, check permissions?
[08:13] <leperkhanz> something that apparantly is necessary to retain my session info.  Well, I need to know where it is.  Perhaps mine is missing?
[08:14] <bur[n] er> what if you "mv ~/.dmrc ~/.dmrc.bak" and then do whatever .dmrc does
[08:14] <bur[n] er> gnome-session related?
[08:14] <leperkhanz> believe so.
[08:14] <bur[n] er> aww, read by gdm i think
[08:14] <bur[n] er> it's a two line file for me
[08:15] <leperkhanz> Is it a directory?  Because I have "show hidden" enabled, and don't see it.
[08:15] <leperkhanz> Perhaps the directory is just missing?
[08:15] <bur[n] er> ls -la |grep .dmrc  <--does this show you that you own it?  it's just a file leperkhanz
[08:15] <leperkhanz> I don't see the file, either.
[08:16] <leperkhanz> Should I just create that file?
[08:16] <leperkhanz> No, gnome.
[08:16] <leperkhanz> What if I just create a file and give it the right permissions?
[08:16] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/dmrc.txt is mine
[08:17] <runge> so.. where is the database for gutsy bug? thought I would search for the one I have
[08:17] <geser> bur[n] er: Forbidden
[08:17] <leperkhanz> I don't have permission to access that site.
[08:17] <bur[n] er> oops, fixed permissions
[08:17] <bur[n] er> runge: launchpad.net
[08:17] <runge> thanks bur[n] er
[08:17] <leperkhanz> and that file is just .dmrc.txt?
[08:18] <bur[n] er> leperkhanz: just .dmrc no .txt
[08:18] <bur[n] er> I just did the .txt so it would show up in my browser
[08:18] <leperkhanz> OK, thnx.  Gonna see if I can make that work.
[08:18] <bur[n] er> sudo nano ~/.dmrc from term or alt+f2, gksudo gedit ~/.dmrc
[08:18] <bur[n] er> er... scratch that sudo ;)
[08:20] <leperkhanz> lol, i'm a gui guy, right click "Create new text document", rename, copy your txt file paste, save, permissions read and write all....
[08:20] <leperkhanz> XD
[08:20] <leperkhanz> Goin' for the reboot, let's see if I broke it.
[08:26] <leperkhanz> Nope, still getting that error.
[08:26] <leperkhanz> meh, Im on 2 a new project.
[08:28] <Eq|laptop> leperkhanz: what error are you getting?
[08:33] <leperkhanz> $HOME/.dmrc is being ignored, make sure permissions are correct, yada yada yada, then it boots fine, albeit I have to altF2 compiz --replace & every boot to get going.
[08:34] <Eq|laptop> /exec -out ls -l ~/.dmrc
[08:34] <Eq|laptop> run that
[08:39] <leperkhanz> no such file or directory?
[08:39] <Eq|laptop> that's.. concerning
[08:40] <Eq|laptop> seems the file isn't there.
[08:40] <philip_> gksudo "update-manager -c -d" does not work, forgot how to upgrade
[08:52] <kiba> timmme to fix my gnash thingie so I can remove it!
[09:26] <rbrunhuber> on my up to date gutsy machine xdpyinfo is not recognising the screen dpi's correctly. Anyone else having the problem?
[09:37] <soothsayer> I want to enable a particular configure option. Where do I do that in the package? An older version of the package had an obvious configure rule in configure.status in debian/rules. The new version is pretty spartan (3 lines). Where do I specify the option?
[09:43] <leperkhanz> what's the best software or interface in Ubuntu for uploading files to an ftp server?
[09:43] <soothsayer> Sorry wrong chan (for my message above)
[09:45] <Skiessi> leperkhanz: I don't know, but gftp is one
[09:57] <Skiessi> quiet around here..
[10:00] <musikgoat|work> hello, anyone help with installing gutsy?  getting "failed to fetch http://archive.cononical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found"
[10:03] <ggilbert> musikgoat|work: Canonical's commercial archive probably hasn't been set up for gutsy yet
[10:04] <musikgoat|work> how can i take that out of the update-manager -c -d   update?
[10:04] <Skiessi> it's * archiva.canonical.com
[10:04] <Skiessi> probably
[10:05] <Skiessi> btw, what Canonicals commercial archive?
[10:06] <Skiessi> >,< I meant archive.canonical.com
[10:06] <musikgoat|work> idk really
[10:07] <musikgoat|work> i'm just looking at how to modify the automatic update manager,  i'm not really used to it
[10:07] <ggilbert> Skiessi: Canonical maintains an archive of packaged software that isn't freely redistributable. Things like vmware
[10:07] <nosrednaekim> I think it has.. like.... vmware server
[10:07] <ggilbert> I'm not sure what exactly is in it
[10:07] <Skiessi> ok..
[10:09] <Skiessi> musikgoat|work: check your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the line containing that url if you find one
[10:09] <ggilbert> opera, real player, sugar crm, vmware-server, desktop secure, db2exc, and arkeia
[10:09] <musikgoat|work> in my fiesty sources.list?
[10:10] <Skiessi> you have more of them?
[10:10] <musikgoat|work> heh, no
[10:11] <Skiessi> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/ this is saying they don't have the commercial stuff for gutsy yet
[10:11] <musikgoat|work> there is no references to commercial in /etc/apt/sources/list
[10:12] <musikgoat|work> sources.list even
[10:12] <musikgoat|work> the issue that I'm presented with is how to tell update-manager -c -d  that?
[10:12] <musikgoat|work> heh
[10:13] <musikgoat|work> in the past, we just self modified sources.list, and that would work, but now with the update-manager, it seems to automate htat
[10:14] <Arwen> just upgraded and I don't seem to have virtual consoles when I hit ctrl+alt+f1?
[10:15] <Skiessi> musikgoat|work: maybe it's trying to upgrade your feisty commercial packages to gutsy ones by guessing, replacing the word feisty to gutsy in the sourcelist
[10:16] <musikgoat|work> Skiessi, i don't have commercial in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:16] <Skiessi> ok :P no idea
[10:16] <Arwen> any ideas? can someone else see if they still have their consoles?
[10:17] <Skiessi> I have
[10:17] <Arwen> ick
[10:18] <Arwen> my filesystems aren't being mounted on boot either :-\
[10:19] <shachaf> I've installed Gutsy, and things mostly look right, except that the fonts in GTK programs are too big. Is there an easy way to fix that? It seems that gnome-font-properties (is that what it was called?) is gone.
[10:20] <Skiessi> System>Settings>Appearance
[10:20] <kiba>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[10:20] <kiba>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[10:20] <kiba> hmm
[10:21] <kiba> I did something majoritly wrong
[10:21] <musikgoat|work> so, during the upgrade, where I get the "Third party sources are commented out"   i went into /etc/apt/sources.list   and there are still no references to commercial in any of the deb entries
[10:22] <kiba> there is no such thing as commercial methink
[10:22] <musikgoat|work> i agree, i think its a sub channel of multiverse or something, i'm going to try commenting that out
[10:23] <ggilbert> hmmm? It does exist
[10:23] <Skiessi> :b I've done most of my upgrading with apt-get so I don't know so much about update-manager
[10:24] <philip_> I can't do a gksudo "update-manager -c -d" for some reason. Anyone know why? has the command changed?
[10:24] <ggilbert> Looking at it, it's just dapper, edgy, and feisty atm
[10:24] <Skiessi> :O
[10:24] <musikgoat|work> Skiessi, i've read that there are issues with updating through apt-get,  do you think that is not right?   I'll try going that route if neccessary
[10:24] <databuddy> musikgoat|work: it does it wierd in gutsy
[10:24] <databuddy> not everything is in the /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:24] <musikgoat|work> really?
[10:25] <databuddy> do it via system > admin > software sources
[10:25] <musikgoat|work> ok?
[10:26] <kiba> ls
[10:26] <musikgoat|work> databuddy, there is no references to commercial in three
[10:26] <musikgoat|work> *there
[10:26] <kiba> hmm
[10:27] <kiba> you can confuse percise people if you say commercial
[10:27] <kiba> they do not know if you're refering to Free software or proprietary
[10:27] <musikgoat|work> sorry kiba, but thats what the error says
[10:28] <Skiessi> flashback
[10:28] <Skiessi> " hello, anyone help with installing gutsy?  getting "failed to fetch http://archive.cononical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found""
[10:28] <kiba> huh
[10:28] <kiba> where do I get a copy of mozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm
[10:28] <kiba> ?
[10:29] <musikgoat|work> its not part of multiverse either, i commented that out
[10:29] <Eq|laptop> Skiessi: the commercial archives don't exist for gutsy yet afaik
[10:30] <Skiessi> I know
[10:30] <Eq|laptop> ah, mistread it
[10:30] <musikgoat|work> heh
[10:30] <Eq|laptop> -t
[10:30] <Eq|laptop> thought you were saying that
[10:30] <Eq|laptop> :P
[10:30] <kiba> I broke mine when trying to be able to remove it
[10:30] <Skiessi> it's part of the gnash package
[10:31] <musikgoat|work> he was quoting my original problem
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> kiba: install apt-file
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> then do apt-file update; apt-file search mozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> assuming you don't know the package
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> once you know the package, download the .deb, extract it and put the .prerm file in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[10:31] <Eq|laptop> iirc
[10:32] <Eq|laptop> hrm.. lego star wars 2, or geometry wars...
[10:32] <Skiessi> o.O
[10:34] <kiba> unable to install apt-file
[10:34] <Skiessi> I think #ubuntu should be split to few smaller channels :P It's starting to look like flooding
[10:34] <Eq|laptop> heh
[10:35] <Eq|laptop> kiba: because the other package is in a remove-failure point?
[10:37] <Skiessi> what does "dpkg --configure -a" say?
[10:45] <rbrunhuber> Skiessi: I have quite a good experience to grab one question and ask people to add my name to every answer.
[10:47] <Skiessi> okay
[10:47] <Skiessi> kiba: what does "dpkg --configure -a" say?
[10:48] <Skiessi> I usually ask them only when I think it's necessary
[10:51] <rbrunhuber> Skiessi : I always do this. This trains people to do it. Otherwise they often forget it even in the case of high volume. So i miss their answers/replies.
[10:56] <bluefoxicy> is vmware-server gone from gutsy?
[10:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Has anyone here had issues with trying to enable the broadcomm driver through the restricted managers and when you try to check the box and click "Ok" and all that crud...  then it doesn't check the box?
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> yes.
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> it fails pretty hard on 64-bit too
[10:57] <bluefoxicy> that shouldn't matter anyway though because I just need firmware.
[10:58] <bluefoxicy> it flat doesn't run here XD
[10:59] <Skiessi> rbrunhuber: Yeah I could start doing that too. But I would only use characters you can find on your keyboard in your nick or at least the few first ones.
[11:01] <Skiessi> it can be difficult for people using (for example) irssi
[11:04] <Skiessi> I just noticed my IRC-font is kinda weird...
[11:07] <rbrunhuber> Skiessi:  i use the first few characters and press tab then so the name gets completed. did not use irssi though
[11:08] <Skiessi> ok, switched back to Fixedsys and what looked like some kind of mathematical symbol revealed to be "r"
[11:10] <rbrunhuber> Cool I'm now "owner" of #kubuntu+1
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> ooo... good.
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> i'll become a "member"
[11:13] <Skiessi> I could be a "visitor"
[11:14] <Arwen> anyone here have issues with their text consoles? zz...
[11:14] <Skiessi> sorry, but no :<
[11:15] <Arwen> hit ctrl+alt+f1 and tell me if you see anything
[11:15] <Skiessi> there's still emacs running because I don't know how to quit it
[11:15] <Arwen> huh, guess it's just me then
[11:19] <Skiessi> does anyone here know are the ctrl-alt-f-consoles provided by a package or a kernel thing?
[11:20] <nosrednaekim> kernel I think.
[11:20] <Arwen> kernel's broken then, no fun :-)
[11:21] <Arwen> or maybe they're just not initializing right
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: do you have an ATI?
[11:21] <Arwen> yes
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> fglrx?
[11:21] <Arwen> not any more
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: I had probelms with my ATI fglrx,and consoles
[11:23] <Arwen> yeah, I stopped using fglrx because I didn't feel like going through the hassle of recompiling modules and stuff, but even with the open driver I'm not getting consoles
[11:24] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: recompiling.... wha? just use the stock one!
[11:24] <Arwen> screw that
[11:24] <Arwen> wtf, my menus have a bunch of random junk under "other"
[11:25] <Skiessi> me too ^^ I think it belongs to KDE but I'm not sure
[11:25] <teethdood> ok how do I update to gutsy? gksudo "update-manager -c -d" doesn't do anything
[11:25] <Arwen> cut out the "gksudo" part
[11:26] <Skiessi> you're the 3rd guy I've heard today/tonight asking about that :/
[11:26] <Skiessi> I think it doesn't work.
[11:26] <teethdood> Arwen, still doesn't do anything :(
[11:26] <Arwen> eh? dunno then
[11:26] <musikgoat|work> Skiessi digg had an article saying use gksudo
[11:26] <teethdood> so...looks like the manual way then?
[11:27] <Skiessi> so...use gksudo.
[11:27] <teethdood> I've used gksudo/gksu
[11:27] <musikgoat|work> i'm not saying it works, i'm saying that is the reason why so many are asking?
[11:27] <musikgoat|work> idk
[11:27] <Arwen> nothing happens? absolutely nothing?
[11:27] <teethdood> nada
[11:27] <Skiessi> :O ok
[11:27] <teethdood> says system up-to-date
[11:27] <Skiessi> *bury*
[11:28] <musikgoat|work> heh
 says system up-to-date <-- you just said nothing happened
[11:28] <Arwen> don't lie, it doesn't help
[11:28] <teethdood> Arwen, heh well up-to-date with feisty
[11:28] <Arwen> at the top of the box, is there anything about a new "version 7.10 blah blah blah out"?
[11:29] <teethdood> Arwen, nope
[11:29] <teethdood> anyway I'm going to go gamble my new laptop away...in Las Vegas baby!!!
[11:30] <Arwen> man, this lack of consoles is irritating. What am I gonna do if X crashes?
[11:31] <Skiessi> :/ has anyone noticed Firefox crashing a lot more today?
[11:31] <Arwen> I've got stock firefox, it always crashes :-\
[11:33] <Arwen> whee... time to compile amarok, ffmpeg, tilem, tilp2, and vlc. Fun.
[11:36] <Skiessi> and if you're bored enough...
[11:36] <Skiessi> "<soothsayer> Can someone confirm the following bug: libxmlrpc-c3/gutsy does not build from source"
[11:36] <Arwen> doesn't sound too big, I'll add it to by compile queue, lol
[12:11] <dennda> Hi. Where to find Gutsy Daily Builds?
[12:12] <dennda> found it
[12:27] <ameyer> hmm, that was a lot more work than it should have been...
[12:28] <ameyer> multiple manual "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"s shouldn't be required for something so simple...
[12:35] <ameyer> don't mind me, I'm just slightly annoyed...
[12:40] <Arwen> well, it's not. You could just manually edit xorg.conf
[12:42] <ameyer> well, maybe I think it should "just work"
[12:42] <ameyer> or at least work after only one dpkg-reconfigure (i.e. the defaults that are detected just work)
[12:43] <Arwen> eh, I'd like more plug-n-play in x.org too, but it's not like it's Ubuntu's fault.
[12:52] <DanaG> I never use dpkg-reconfigure for xorg; it doesn't give me all the options I need.
[12:52] <DanaG> For example, you can't customize scrolling on the touchpad, and you can't use evdev for mice.
[12:53] <DanaG> I wish dpkg for Xorg had a "leave my existing configuration alone" option.
[12:55] <crimsun> it should do that by default.  If it doesn't, file a bug against the xorg source package.
[01:13] <musikgoat|work> have people been having trouble installing VMware in Gutsy?


[21:46] <ArtGravity> Does anyone know about today's Thunderbird-Next PPA update breaking the Unity menu integration yet?


[02:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[11:41] <oerheks> it doesn't work, i read somewhere ..
[11:41] <ravage> i gave up when he refused to install hdparm because he has bad experiences with it
[11:42] <ravage> to quote him: "cry me a river" :)
[14:23] <ducasse> ravage: "since i'm asking for help i feel i should ignore your advice"
[14:23] <ravage> He just provided wrong information
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> is ravage making friends again :p
[14:25] <ravage> what is this "friends" you are talking about? :P
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:48] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue788 now available to our reading public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue788 :D
[19:56] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed - pending now is release to the Social media :D


[12:53] <Trae> heh, ghosttown indeed.
[12:54] <Trae> :)
[05:06] <srwalter> does it usually take 2 months to get a bug report (#57625) with an attached patch resolved?
[09:51] <ivoks> 'morning
[09:51] <ivoks> zul: here?
[04:59] <ivoks> zul: here?
[05:00] <zul> ivoks: kind of?
[05:01] <ivoks> :)
[05:01] <ivoks> i just wanted to tell you that i'm playing with my new laptop and xen kernel doesn't boot if it enable VT
[05:01] <zul> what happens?
[05:02] <ivoks> it gets to:
[05:02] <ivoks> PCI: BIOS Bug: MCFG area at f0000000 is not E820-reserved
[05:02] <ivoks> PCI: Not using MMCONFIG.
[05:02] <ivoks> and freezes
[05:02] <zul> 2.6.17?
[05:02] <ivoks> yes
[05:03] <ivoks> latest in edgy
[05:03] <mjg59> Boot without quiet
[05:03] <zul> interesting..
[05:03] <zul> have you seen if there is a bios update?
[05:03] <ivoks> i did update
[05:03] <ivoks> mjg59: it is without quiet :)
[05:03] <mjg59> Oh, really?
[05:04] <mjg59> That's more fun
[05:04] <ivoks> but...
[05:04] <ivoks> i get this error on vanilla kernel too
[05:04] <ivoks> and it boots
[05:04] <ivoks> so, this doesn't kill kernel
[05:04] <ivoks> something other does
[05:04] <ivoks> (where vanilla is ubuntu's generic :)
[05:05] <zul> does it have nvidia?
[05:05] <ivoks> no
[05:05] <ivoks> this is all intel machine
[05:06] <ivoks> without VT it works
[05:07] <ivoks> it works with VT if i disable acpi and apic, but this is something i don't want to do :)
[05:10] <ivoks> i can do testing, but i also realize that it's sunday... :)
[05:10] <zul> im looking at it
[05:15] <ivoks_test> i can boot with initcall_debug
[05:16] <zul> please and send me the results
[05:16] <ivoks_test> eh... don't know how to capture it :/
[05:16] <tfheen> ivoks_test: digital camera
[05:16] <ivoks_test> :)
[05:17] <ivoks_test> acpi_init+0x0/0x1c0()
[05:17] <ivoks_test> this is the last thing it prints
[05:21] <sbriglie> hi
[05:22] <sbriglie> i have a question regarding the default ubuntu ppc kernel
[05:25] <sbriglie> I am pretty sure the rivafb frambebuffer driver needs to be compiled in the kernel image and not as a module to have lcd brightness control and usplash working with more than 256 colors on my 12 inch powerbook
[05:27] <ivoks_test> zul: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/xen-crash.jpg
[05:29] <zul> have you tried booting with pci=nommconfig
[05:29] <ivoks_test> nope, but i can
[05:31] <ivoks_test> zul: result is exactly the same :/
[05:32] <ivoks_test> this is toshiba satellite pro u200-129
[05:40] <zul> ok ill have a look
[08:33] <dr_evil> I tried to backport the sky2 network driver from kernel.org 2.6.19-rc2 to ubuntu 2.6.15 but it crashing. how can I get a working driver?


[18:26] <polarpinguin> ansible-hardening for Ubuntu 20.04 help?  Best path to script?
[18:26] <polarpinguin> DISA STIG specific
[18:28] <sarnold> polarpinguin: seen this? https://public.cyber.mil/stigs/downloads/?_dl_facet_stigs=operating-systems%2Cunix-linux
[18:29] <polarpinguin> Yes I have the STIG but trying to automate the STIG tasks to systems.
[18:30] <polarpinguin> was looking at https://github.com/openstack/ansible-hardening
[18:31] <polarpinguin> anybody used this?
[18:31] <polarpinguin> for 20.04?
[18:46] <cipherboy> polarpinguin: \o greetings :)
[18:47] <cipherboy> polarpinguin: We're actively working on STIG automation; it'll be a paid offering similar to our present CIS offering (see https://security-certs.docs.ubuntu.com/en/cis and https://ubuntu.com/security/certifications).
[18:48] <cipherboy> polarpinguin: That said, we're basing our STIG automation around the github.com/ComplianceAsCode/content project and are actively contributing there (see for instance, https://github.com/ComplianceAsCode/content/pull/7220).
[18:49] <cipherboy> polarpinguin: This is an upstream, community effort and not everything that ends up in our paid offering will land upstream... but you're more than welcome to contribute there if the (future) paid offering isn't of interest to you. The CaC project mostly hang out on #openscap here on Libera.
[18:54] <polarpinguin> cipherboy: Thank you very much for the info
[18:58] <cipherboy> polarpinguin: I guess I should also say that Red Hat has contributed a lot of Ansible tooling to CaC but Canonical mostly focuses on Bash... so Ansible+Ubuntu content will certainly be welcomed by the upstream community.


[00:11] <cj> Amaranth: that happens when you poke at opengl sometimes :)
[00:12] <Amaranth> cj: nah, was xulrunner fail, reinstall fixed it
[02:10] <Six66Mike> so no help here eh? waited 30 mins in #ubuntu with no love
[08:31] <mvo> asac: have you seen http://paste.ubuntu.com/104758/ ? this happend to me on a intrepid->jaunty upgrade
[08:38] <didrocks> morning o/
[08:45] <huats> morning everyone
[09:02] <mvo> asac: together with http://paste.ubuntu.com/104760/
[09:05] <mvo> asac: I think this is a side effect of dropping the 81_sonames.patch ?
[09:06] <mvo> asac: anyway, it seems to have made my upgrade unhappy :)
[09:08] <seb128> asac: bug #316941
[09:09] <seb128> asac: you should have changed the binary name or conflicted on everything using the library that needs to be upgraded
[09:10] <huats> hello asac and seb128
[09:10] <seb128> lut huats
[09:11] <huats> how are you seb128 ?
[09:11] <seb128> huats: good thanks, how are you?
[09:11] <huats> great too!
[09:17] <huats> seb128: any idea where should I look to try to fix the issue I am facing with python-gtk2-dbg, that is blocking for the deskbar-applet ?
[09:18] <huats> (a missing symbol in the -dbg)
[09:18] <seb128> huats: the pygtk rules?
[09:18] <seb128> huats: it's likely that the non-dbg version gets installed as dbg for some reason
[09:18] <huats> seb128: I'll have a look in that way
[09:19] <seb128> you can try to ping lool pochu or slomo about it maybe, we synced pygtk on debian this cycle so the bug is likely there too
[09:20] <huats> ok
[09:21] <lool> huats: Check your build log to see whether an automatic autoreconf is triggered; if that's the case you want the fixes we have in Debian SVN
[09:22] <lool> huats: Actually I see a typo now
[09:22] <lool>         PYTHON=/usr/bin/python$* $(MAKE) -C dbg-build-$*
[09:22] <lool> Fortunately it escaped hardy-updates
[09:24] <huats> lool: hello btw ;)
[09:26] <huats> lool: I'm  testing it, to see if it works with that
[09:26] <lool> huats: Just committed the fix in Debian's SVN
[09:26] <lool> Don't know whether that was your issue
[09:26] <huats> ok
[09:27] <huats> an missing symbol
[09:27] <huats> I can get you the steps to reproduce
[09:27] <huats> (easy..)
[09:31] <seb128> lool: python-dbg -c "import gtk" doesn't work
[09:31] <seb128> lool: the version installed as dbg seems to be the non dbg one
[09:33] <huats> seb128: the dbg .so and the non dbg one, at least differs (using to check diff)
[09:33] <lool> I'm a bit busy to say the least; would you mind trying the version in the Debian experimental *SVN* and see if that helps?
[09:33] <lool> This python dbg stuff keeps breaking every 2 months and takes me 2 days to fix
[09:33] <asac> seb128: the idea is that there is a link
[09:34] <seb128> asac: ok so it seems to not work correctly? could you look at this bug and maybe ask whatever you need to debug the issue?
[09:36] <asac> seb128: have you upgraded to latest nss?
[09:36] <seb128> asac: no, jaunty moves to quickly for me ;-)
[09:36] <seb128> I'll try to upgrade now
[09:36] <asac> do you have this link?
[09:36] <asac> asac@hector:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d
[09:36] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-01-11 21:41 /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d -> libnss3.so
[09:38] <seb128> asac: yes, that is working here
[09:39] <asac> see ... all fine. damn
[09:39] <asac> whats the problem for this guy
[09:40] <seb128> not sure, maybe ask the version he's running and if the symlink is there
[09:40] <asac> i dont even know what to ask for ... now asked for upgrade temr.log
[09:40] <seb128> asac: where do you do the symlinking?
[09:40] <asac> seb128: so ... the tricky thing here is that the link was flipped.
[09:40] <huats> lool: sure
[09:41] <asac> in previous version it was libnss3.so -> libnss3.so.1d ... and now we have libnss3.so.1d -> libnss3.so
[09:41] <asac> so i move the files away in preinst
[09:41] <huats> lool: to ease stuffs, I'm trying the newer in jaunty with that fix you just mentionned
[09:41] <asac> so that the unpack doesnt do the wrong thing
[09:41] <asac> i tested various upgrades and downgrades here, but nothing
[09:41] <huats> but after that I'll have a look at the debian experimental for sure...
[09:42] <seb128> asac: that doesn't rely on a -dev to be installed right?
[09:42] <asac> seb128: no. its really ugly i know. but thats where it comes from:
[09:42] <asac> we took package with soname version patch from debian:
[09:42] <asac> normal package has libnss3.so.1d
[09:43] <asac> and -dev has link libnss3.so -> libnss3.so.1d
[09:43] <lool> huats: The changes include autoreconf patches and changing PYTHON in a bunch of places
[09:43] <asac> then complains came that upstream binaries dont work here
[09:43] <huats> lool: ok
[09:43] <asac> debian and ubuntu moved the link to the "normal" package
[09:43] <huats> lool: so I will take right now the debian one
[09:44] <asac> then upstream complained the binaries built in ubuntu are not compatible with upstream nss
[09:44] <asac> i discussed this for a while and we found that the soname version was indeed senseless
[09:45] <asac> so we ended up in this link flip
[09:45] <asac> respin of all rdepends would fix this for sure
[09:45] <asac> (and we could drop the link)
[09:45] <asac> heh
[09:45] <seb128> asac: I see
[09:46] <asac> yeah but well.
[09:46] <asac> lets see what he answers
[09:48] <mvo> asac: just reproduce the failure here, stock intrepid->jaunty
[09:49] <asac> mvo: ok so when you upgrade from intrepid?
[09:49] <mvo> asac: yes
[09:50] <mvo> asac: it looks like dpkg is screweing up for some reason during the upgrade - the symlinks from the new package are not there
[09:50] <asac> mvo: yes i even looked at ldconfig output
[09:50] <mvo> asac: but when I manually install the same version again (dpkg -i /var/cache/apt ..) it works
[09:50] <asac> which is a bit scary in fact as ldconfig seems to remove links (so it could be)
[09:50] <asac> mvo: my current bet is that ldconfig is messing stuff up
[09:50] <mvo> asac: yeah, I suspect that its really ldconfig doing this
[09:51] <asac> however, i looked at the code and when it spits out the "is not a symbolic link"
[09:51] <asac> it sets no_remove=1
[09:51] <mvo> asac: I file a bug and target it for alpha-3?
[09:51] <asac> so the bug is 316452
[09:51] <mvo> asac: aha, thanks
[09:51] <asac> mvo: not sure if its the best to target for alpha-3
[09:52] <asac> i mean, I still dont understand where the issue happens
[09:52] <asac> (if its not the ldconfig thing)
[09:52] <mvo> asac: I can reprodcue it here reliably, I will poke it a bit
[09:53] <asac> mvo: how do you reproduce it post upgrade?
[09:54] <mvo> asac: I can not, I let the upgrade tester run, wait for the bug to appear and log into the system
[09:54] <asac> mvo: cool
[09:55] <asac> let me get the ldconfig code ... which definitly does link shuffline
[09:57] <mvo> bug #316452
[09:57] <asac> ok see you milestoned it ;)
[09:58] <asac> mvo: also nominating ;) woujld make this official?
[09:58] <mvo> asac: high or criticial (high should be enough, right?)
[09:58] <asac> high is gok
[09:58] <asac> ok
[09:58] <asac> mvo: so: /usr/lib/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/xulrunner-bin: ... output
[09:59] <asac> is already a consequence of the missing link
[09:59] <asac> thtas in xulrunner postinst
[09:59] <asac> it runs xulrunner-1.9 --version
[09:59] <asac> (probably a bad idea)
[10:00] <mvo> well, this way at least we know that its broken :)
[10:00] <asac> what i do in preinst of nss/nspr is to move the link and the old binary to a backup name
[10:00] <asac> and in cased upgrade fails move it back
[10:00] <asac> if it works remove the backup files in postinst
[10:00] <asac> could be that there is a bug too
[10:04] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/104781/ ... thats ldconfig code
[10:05] <asac> the error is printed in line 465
[10:05] <asac> err 468
[10:06] <asac> and a "unlink" in 485
[10:06] <asac> but if the error happens do_remove = 0 ... so it shouldnt do the unlink
[10:08] <mvo> asac: I haven't looked at the code yet (ldconfig) but is it maybe doing something silly when e.g. trying to cleanup all existing symlinks that are releated to the lib?
[10:09] <asac> not sure ... i thought so, but i cannot se it ... at least not directly related to the error mesage
[10:09] <asac> but probably that message is a red herring
[10:16] <asac> mvo: how could it happen on upgrade from intrepid, but not from jaunty?
[10:16] <asac> well ... assuming that it doesnt happen when you come from jaunty
[10:16] <asac> as seb didnt see it; i didnt see it and fta didnt see it either
[10:17] <asac> probably not much a technical difference, right?
[10:17] <seb128> asac: you could ask this user if he upgraded jaunty or intrepid
[10:17] <asac> hmm
[10:17] <asac> Hello! I'm running an (almost) up-to-date Jaunty here.
[10:17] <mvo> asac: just more churn
[10:17] <asac> Earlier today I did an "aptitude safe-upgrade"
[10:18] <asac> thats what the initial reporter says
[10:18] <huats> lool: the current debian-svn is not fixing it
[10:18] <huats> I mean the one in experimental
[10:19] <huats> lool: I file a but on LP ?
[10:19] <huats> s/but/bug/
[10:19] <seb128> huats: do you want me to look at the issue?
[10:20] <asac> fta: can you fix pastebinit in universe ;)?
[10:20] <huats> seb128: sure
[10:20] <asac> fta: your package works fine now that i installed it. any reason that didnt go to universe?
[10:21] <mvo> asac: I just checked the preinst/postinst, that looks all right
[10:21] <asac> mvo: can you try to upgrade without the xulrunner-1.9 package installed? (so we can pin down that message as either the cause or the result)
[10:21] <asac> i guess its result
[10:21] <asac> but who knows if its the result-cause ;)
[10:21] <asac> due to some rollback
[10:22] <huats> seb128: just tell me if I can do anything...
[10:23] <seb128> huats: ok, I'll tell you if required
[10:23] <seb128> huats: you could try to debug it but apparently you already tried that ;-)
[10:24] <huats> seb128:  :)
[10:25] <lool> huats: Is there an autoreconf running during the build? (grep for recheck)  does pygobject have the issue?
[10:26] <huats> lool: let me check
[10:26] <lool> huats: pygobject has the same bug actually *sigh*
[10:26] <lool> Committed
[10:27] <huats> seb128: and lool : at the end of the build, the is that :
[10:27] <huats> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: symbol Py_InitModule4 used by debian/python-gtk2-dbg/usr/lib/python-support/python-gtk2-dbg/python2.5/gtk-2.0/pangocairo_d.so found in none of the libraries.
[10:27] <huats> (and many others, but it is the missing symbol)
[10:27] <lool> That's ok in itself
[10:27] <seb128> huats: the symbol is the non debug one
[10:28] <asac> mvo: another idea would be to make ldconfig a no-opt script before upgrading ... but i guess its the new ldconfig which we would have to make a noopt
[10:28] <lool> I only get the issue in pygtk; not pygobject
[10:28] <seb128> it should be Py_InitModule4TraceRefs rather
[10:28] <lool> Now that doesn't mean pygobject is actually correctly built
[10:28] <seb128> lool:
[10:28] <seb128> $ python-dbg -c "import gobject"
[10:28] <seb128> [12115 refs]
[10:28] <seb128> I would say it is
[10:29] <lool> seb128: Consider that _glib.so or unix.so or _gio.so can do some different ABI calls
[10:31] <lool> seb128: Ok, I checked all of them it's fine
[10:31] <lool> And it's not for pygtk-dbg
[10:35] <huats> lool:  I don't find the autoreconf, but I might be wrong
[10:39] <lool> Ok, then no idea
[10:39] <mvo> asac: hm, right now (upgrade sitll running) I have libplc4.so.0d -> libplc4.so.0d.new-migration
[10:40] <asac> hmm
[10:40] <asac> thats not intended
[10:40] <mvo> and there is code in ldconfig
[10:40] <mvo> that remove stale symlinks
[10:41] <mvo> (everything with ".so." in them and and target for the link
[10:41] <mvo> asac: lets wait until ldconfig gets trigger here during the upgrade to confirm my theory
[10:42] <asac> i do mv /usr/lib/$f.0d /usr/lib/$f.0d.new-migration in preinst
[10:42] <asac> (nspr)
[10:42] <mvo> asac: most mysterious, a upgrade in a pbuilder chroot with just xulrunner-1.9 results in the correct behaviour
[10:44] <asac> too bad. the only intrepid setup i have here already has the new package :/
[10:44] <asac> ok. so lets think ;)
[10:45] <asac> when we start libplc4.so is a symlink to libplc4.so.0d .... now in preinst i mv libplc4.so libplc4.so.new-migration and libplc4.so.0d to libplc4.so.0d.new-migration
[10:45] <asac> i dont really see how we can end up with libplc4.so.0d -> libplc4.so.0d.new-migration
[10:46] <asac> so probably that link is already produced by ldconfig?
[10:51] <mvo> asac: I guess that makese sense
[10:51] <asac> mvo: so i probably have to move that link to mktemp -d?
[10:52] <asac> i mean instead of keeping it in a place where ldconfig finds the .new-migration file?
[10:53] <asac> mvo: or maybe chmod 000 ;)
[10:56] <mvo> asac: maybe mktemp, I can try that here
[10:56] <asac> mvo: oh i look at ldconfig
[10:56] <mvo> asac: or you give me a debdiff and I build the package
[10:56] <asac> if (((strncmp (direntry->d_name, "lib", 3) != 0
[10:56] <asac> 	    && strncmp (direntry->d_name, "ld-", 3) != 0)
[10:56] <asac> 	   || strstr (direntry->d_name, ".so") == NULL)
[10:56] <asac> so maybe we can just prefix it
[10:57] <asac> e.g. Xlibns
[10:57] <asac> let us try that
[10:58] <mvo> asac: ok
[10:59] <mvo> asac: the auto upgrade tester can test based on a local repo (or a PPA), if you push it to your jaunty PPA I can test the change
[11:11] <asac> mvo: ok uploaded to ~asac/+archive
[11:12] <asac> http://pastebin.com/f6f29dc1a
[11:12] <asac> http://pastebin.com/f6dc57bfe
[11:12] <asac> mvo: ^^
[11:12] <asac> thats what i did ;)
[11:15] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive
[11:15] <asac> all builds waiting for cycles :/
[11:16] <asac> mvo: which arch are you testing (so i can give you heads up when stuff is there)
[11:16] <asac> i386?
[11:18] <seb128> huats, lool: ok, I found the pygtk dbg issue
[11:18] <huats> seb128: great !
[11:18] <mvo> asac: the auto upgrade tester can test based on a local repo (or a PPA), if you push it to your jaunty PPA I can test the change (not sure if you got that before I disconnected)
[11:19] <seb128> huats, lool: the patch on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556130 was in the intrepid version and has been dropped apparently
[11:19] <asac> mvo: i got that ;) but i talked to you afterwards ;)
[11:19] <mvo> asac: I did not get the stuff afterwards
[11:19] <asac> mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104801/
[11:20] <mvo> asac: thanks. I test on i386
[11:20] <asac> mvo: i will let you know ;)
[11:20] <mvo> asac: I can build local package too if it take too long
[11:21] <mvo> but I need to deal with fglrx/nvidia upgrades too
[11:21] <asac> mvo: i think that would be better
[11:21] <mvo> ok
[11:21] <huats> seb128: pfff
[11:21] <asac> ppa takes about 30 minutes to make .debs available
[11:21] <asac> after the build has finished
[11:21] <huats> I misread the patch... I have looked at it, and thought it was a  + (not a -)....
[11:22] <huats> and I figure out it was included upstream
[11:22] <huats> I could have save you time :(
[11:22] <asac> mvo: can you take the patches from the pastebin or shall i poast them in pure form?
[11:23] <mvo> asac: I can take the .dsc from the ppa, no?
[11:23] <asac> mvo: if they are available yet, then yes
[11:23] <asac> mvo: otherwise its: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/nspr1.diff
[11:23] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/nss1.diff
[11:24] <mvo> asac: it seems to be publish already?
[11:24] <mvo> including the debs :)
[11:25] <mvo> eh, no. build, but not published yet
[11:26] <asac> mvo: after build has finished it takes 20-40 minutes to get published
[11:27] <asac> which is sad ;)
[11:27] <asac> before it took 20-40 minutes to start build, but close to zero publishing time
[11:27] <asac> now its zero time till build starts and 20-40 minutes afterwards ;)
[11:27] <asac> mvo: but well. maybe do something else
[11:27] <asac> you hav eprobably other stuff to do
[11:27] <asac> i currently feel positive that we have nailed this!
[11:28] <mvo> asac: thanks, I do the xorg stuff in the meantime
[11:45] <mvo> asac: the upgrade test with your ppa is now running, it will take ~30min to compelte, I think I go for lunch now
[11:46] <asac> ok ...
[11:46]  * asac crosses fingers
[11:46] <asac> mvo: enjoy. tausend dank!
[11:46] <mvo> asac: thanks :)
[11:50]  * asac really hopes that this is the last time he has to do something nasty like a lib-link-flip in /usr/lib/ ;)
[12:03] <mvo> asac: so far it looks *much* happerier (also not finished yet :)
[12:04] <mvo> asac: what does plds actually stands for?
[12:11] <asac> heh ... really good question
[12:12] <mvo> 93% done and still going strong *go jaunty go*
[12:13] <asac> hehe
[12:15] <asac> mvo: nspr netscape portable runtime ... so PL could stand for "portable library" ;)
[12:15] <asac> mvo: and the ds lib comes from the lib/ds/ tree ... might be something like "data structures" ;)
[12:15] <asac> so in a README i found: character prefix, "PL_" (Portable Library). Internal function names
[12:16] <asac> so first theory is true ;)
[12:17] <asac> so we have nsprpub/lib/ds and nsprpub/lib/libc ... matching plds and plc ;)
[12:23] <mvo> asac: worked fine, please upload
[12:25] <asac> thanks!
[12:32] <asac> mvo: ok uploaded. i replaced the prefix with something more sensible ... lets hope that my sed-fu is good enough ;)
[13:24] <huats> seb128: ok you fixed the bug :)
[13:25] <huats> thanks :)
[13:25] <seb128> huats: you're welcome ;-)
[13:26] <huats> seb128: so I return working on the deskbar update
[13:26] <seb128> good ;-)
[13:26] <huats> sorry deskbar-applet
[15:00] <hggdh> seb128, srag stated he forgot to update e-e Makefile.in to require 2.24.3
[15:01] <seb128> hggdh: right, that was expected, the question is rather the other way around
[15:02] <seb128> hggdh: why e-e 2.24.2 crashes evo 2.24.3
[15:02] <hggdh> seb128, heh. I am still sleeping, sorry
[15:02] <seb128> hggdh: no problem, I did update e-e to 2.24.3 today but it needs to get accepted now
[15:03] <seb128> still they broke binary compatibility in some way or e-e 2.24.2 should still be working
[15:03]  * hggdh agrres... I asked about that yesterday, but did not get a full answer
[15:03] <huats> seb128: I have put the deskbar-applet update on LP
[15:03] <seb128> huats: thanks
[15:03] <huats> I will look again at the xchat-gnome now
[15:04] <seb128> huats: that one should be easier ;-)
[15:04] <huats> (but the last time I checked there was something weird...)
[15:04] <huats> not sure :)
[15:05] <huats> seb128: I will start to think that didrocks asked you to give me some updates with issues ;)
[15:05] <seb128> ah ah
[15:15] <hggdh> seb128, correct dependency is on e-d-s 2.24.3
[15:15] <hggdh> so ABI did change
[15:15] <seb128> in a stable version update...
[15:29] <didrocks> (seb128: don't tell him, please) :)
[15:30] <seb128> didrocks: ok I won't ;-)
[15:30] <didrocks> hehe
[15:32]  * didrocks is eager to have an update with an ABI break to have a look at librairies issues :p
[15:49] <seb128> didrocks: want some challenges? I've some tricky updates on my list ;-)
[15:49] <seb128> one of those being called GTK 2.15 ;-)
[15:50]  * seb128 kicks directfb
[15:58] <didrocks> seb128: hum, GTK 2.15, seems fun :)
[15:59] <didrocks> seb128: I won't be able to do them tonight (my company "celebration"), but tomorrow, why not having a deep look
[15:59] <didrocks> after having played with gnome-games :)
[15:59] <seb128> didrocks: do gnome-games it's already non trivial, they started using clutter apparently
[16:00] <dobey> i thought the clutter dep was optional though?
[16:00] <dobey> seb128: there's a game that uses seed now as well
[16:00] <seb128> could be, I didn't try
[16:06] <crevette> didrocks, do you mean you work on ubuntu at work !!!!
[16:06]  * crevette calls didrocks' boss
[16:07] <seb128> lol
[16:07] <seb128> crevette: no, that's huats ;-)
[16:07] <didrocks> seb128: thanks I will enjoy gnome-games so \o/
[16:08] <didrocks> crevette: and no. I am really working now. You have to call huats' one :)
[16:13] <huats> :)
[16:14] <anakron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/315156
[16:14] <anakron> hi all
[16:14] <anakron> someone can say me if is rith to take it out or not
[17:02] <crevette> mvo, hello
[17:03] <crevette> mvo, I updated my metacity branch to update changelog with the one dholbach uploaded, perhaps you're interested to pick it up ?
[17:04] <mvo> crevette: yes, thanks
[17:05] <mvo> crevette: he was quicker than me with the sponsoring
[17:05] <crevette> :)
[17:05] <mvo> crevette: what is the branch name again?
[17:05] <crevette> ah sorry
[17:06] <crevette> lp:~bmillemathias/metacity/ubuntu
[17:07] <mvo> crevette: thanks, merged
[17:07] <crevette> mvo, thanks
[17:08] <crevette> mvo, I have a dumb question, is it possible to have apt-get pick up latest revision when we get apt-get source metacity for instance and update debian/
[17:08] <crevette> I don't know if it have so sense or not
[17:09] <crevette> s/it have so sense/it has some sense/
[17:10] <cj> maybe svn-buildpackage will help?
[17:10] <mvo> crevette: that was discussed in the past, if there is a vcs-bzr header, just use lp to get it
[17:10] <mvo> I think its a good idea
[17:10] <mvo> it just needs to get implemented :) (should not be too hard though)
[17:11] <crevette> mvo, so actually the line "Vcs-Bzr: http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/metacity/ubuntu" in control.in is not used at the time bieng
[17:11] <crevette> except to print a message
[17:16] <mvo> crevette: yes, just as a guide for the package maintainers, not to get the latest source
[17:26] <jcastro> anyone finding the new volume control stuff frustrating?
[17:29]  * cj <3 lvm
[17:29] <cj> oh, you mean audio volume, don't you?
[17:30] <pochu> crevette: I think you can use `debcheckout $package` to get the source from the Vcs-* header
[17:34] <cj> debcheckout is in devscripts
[17:35] <crevette> pochu, I need to run that in the package source ?
[17:36] <crevette> seems rather simple :)
[17:36] <pochu> crevette: not necessarily, you can run it anywhere :)
[17:37] <crevette> yeah but I think this is more convenient
[17:37] <crevette> :)
[22:10] <tretle> macslow?
[22:26] <MacSlow> tretle, what's up?
[22:26] <tretle> hey
[22:26] <tretle> long time no blog :D lol
[22:27] <tretle> Yeah, I was wondering whether you could tell me whether any work has been done on the gdm side to implement clutter ui support?
[22:27] <MacSlow> tretle, some ... but not fully done
[22:28] <MacSlow> first thing is to put gdm 2.24.x in
[22:29] <tretle> is that not in jaunty yet?
[22:31] <tretle> also was your work on sparkle done in pigment, I was thinking of reusing some of the widgets to create a globe for the ubuntu live cd installer time zone selection.
[22:31] <MacSlow> tretle, gdm 2.24.x is planned for jaunty afaik
[22:31] <MacSlow> tretle, no ... sparkle is all plain OpenGL
[22:32] <tretle> ah nice
[22:32] <tretle> :D
[22:33] <tretle> so after gdm gets pushed into jaunty what pieces to the puzzel will be missing to integrate a clutter based ui?
[22:36] <tretle> hmmm.... seems 2.20.8 is currently being used in jaunty
[22:37] <cj> MacSlow: are you that slow guy from linpeople?
[22:41] <tretle> ?
[22:42] <MacSlow> cj, no idea
[22:42] <MacSlow> tretle, a new greeter
[22:44] <tretle> so the new greater hasnt been started yet? is there any blueprints up or project page that I could keep up to date with?
[22:44] <MacSlow> there's one on wiki.ubuntu.com
[22:45] <MacSlow> tretle, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/GdmFaceBrowser
[22:47] <tretle> how much work will need to be done on creating a new greater?
[22:48] <MacSlow> tretle, lots
[22:50] <tretle> would it be the gdm guys working on it or you?
[22:53] <cj> MacSlow: if you haven't been on 'freenode' since before '96 then it's probably not you :)
[22:57] <MacSlow> cj, hm I've been called MacSlow for as long as I can remember
[22:57] <MacSlow> '96 could be
[22:58] <cj> MacSlow: your name sounds familiar :)
[22:59] <cj> http://web.archive.org/web/19961109144913/http://www.linpeople.org/
[23:33] <cody-somerville> Hardy's gnome-icon-themes no longer builds from source in Hardy
[23:33] <cody-somerville> icon-naming-utils (>= 0.8.7) but it is not installable
[23:34] <cody-somerville> Hardy only has 0.8.6
[23:34] <cody-somerville> How it ever got compiled is a mystery to me
[23:40] <cody-somerville> checking for intltool >= 0.40.0... 0.37.1 found
[23:40] <cody-somerville> wtf
[23:46] <cody-somerville> I'm a moron :P
[23:46] <cody-somerville> nvm :)
[23:46]  * cody-somerville was trying to compile the intrepid version under hardy.
[23:59] <cj> haha


[19:38] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:03] <ajmitch> morning
[20:40] <snail> mōrena koutou
[21:01] <chilts> morning
[21:02] <chilts> am going down to 4 days/week from this week onwards ... sweet! :)
[21:02] <chilts> (negotiated with my contract extension)
[21:02] <ajmitch> so which day are you taking off? friday?
[21:02] <chilts> Wednesday :)
[21:03] <chilts> that's the best day
[21:03] <ajmitch> a mid-week weekend? :)
[21:03] <chilts> yeah ... more like a mid-week break :)
[21:03] <chilts> only ever have to work 2 days on the run now (which is my main reason)
[21:04] <chilts> also, I remember asking people who were on four day weeks why they took Friday off ... "So we can go away for long weekends" ... "how often do you do that?" ... "Almost never" :)
[21:04] <chilts> so I decided Friday wasn't all it was cracked up to be :)
[21:05] <ajmitch> should have been monday
[21:05] <chilts> for me or for them?
[21:06] <ajmitch> either, then you get to avoid monday :)
[21:06] <chilts> heh
[21:07] <chilts> Monday ain't so bad when you have a Friday the day after
[21:08] <ibeardslee> I used to tell myself that when I got above a certain income threshold I'd start doing 4 day weeks
[21:08] <ajmitch> it never happened?
[21:08] <ibeardslee> unfortunately that was based on a fixed outgoing
[21:09] <ibeardslee> ahh the innocence of youth
[21:10] <chilts> but here's the deal, our outgoings seem to increase with our income ... how does that work?
[21:10] <chilts> something for you to think about
[21:10] <ajmitch> there are always new costs that can come up
[21:10] <chilts> it's called "Lifestyle Inflation"
[21:10] <ajmitch> yep
[21:10] <ajmitch> I'm sure you don't still live like a broke university student
[21:10] <ibeardslee> at the moment it's called rotten house
[21:11] <ajmitch> living off noodles every 2nd day
[21:11] <chilts> and gadgets ;)
[21:11] <ibeardslee> shhh
[21:11] <chilts> sorry :)
[21:11] <ajmitch> I haven't bought many gadgets recently :)
[21:11] <ibeardslee> I had more savings from 5 months as a builders labourer than I do now
[21:12] <ibeardslee> of course I also have some degree of equity in my house now
[21:12] <ibeardslee> it's not exactly savings
[21:12] <chilts> I think once a house comes into the equation, spare money goes into it rather than into savings
[21:12] <chilts> I have also found that
[21:12] <chilts> but that's ok, since it's still your pocket (somewhere)
[21:14] <ibeardslee> it would have been nice to have a little bit of cash to buy myself something for my birthday
[21:14] <ibeardslee> unfortunately it's also hads_ that missed out ;)
[21:14] <ajmitch> heh
[21:15] <ibeardslee> .. know anyone that wants to buy a mac mini?
[21:16] <ajmitch> I might have been tempted a couple of years ago, but I know it'd just gather dust now
[21:17] <ibeardslee> it was gathering dust in the tv cabinet as a media player .. but I want to move on to the new media player project
[21:27] <snail> on ubuntu is there a binary file viewer?  i want to look at utf-8 BOM etc...
[21:35] <ajmitch> snail: look for a hex editor or similar?
[21:35] <ajmitch> like ghex
[21:35] <snail> ajmitch: yes, but i don't need to edit, just view
[21:36] <ajmitch> right, but most viewers would probably be part of an editor
[21:37] <thumper> morning
[23:03] <snail> ajmitch:  ghex did what I needed
[23:49] <ibeardslee> looks like it might be time to tell HP go G<tab>
[23:50] <ibeardslee> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/5367077/HP-confident-Kiwis-will-pay-40pc-more-for-TouchPad/
[23:53] <Atamira> mornig
[23:54]  * ibeardslee gives Atamira a spare 'n'
[23:54] <Atamira> oh thanks
[23:54]  * Atamira inserts the N into morning


[08:00] <tsimonq2> Alright, working on UWN now that Lubuntu 16.04.3 is marked as ready...
[08:52] <tsimonq2> Running it through a link checker and if that checks out, I'll publish.
[08:54] <tsimonq2> Great job this week guiverc :)
[09:03] <tsimonq2> Link checker ran fine
[09:15] <tsimonq2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 514 for the weeks of July 17 - 31, 2017  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue514