[00:02] <Bashing-om> lokke: That card has no proprietary driver available, AMD has dropped support for it. Open source driver is what is recommended .
[00:03] <lokke> Bashing-om: thanks - can u tell me wich driver i should install? "radeonhd" is not supported in 14.04 =(
[00:03] <rwp> At least two somethings clear the startup screen at boot.  One is the plymouth splash screen.
[00:03] <rwp> I can remove splash from the kernel boot command line and plymouth no longer clears the boot messages.
[00:03] <rwp> But something else still clears the screen losing the start time boot up messages.
[00:03] <rwp> I added --noclear to getty on tty1.
[00:04] <rwp> There is still some additional something that clears the screen during late boot.
[00:04] <HideMe> I'm following the KVM networking guide  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking  to create a bridge network, yet Ubuntu doesn't want to accept it.    "sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop" doesn't even work, and suggested changes to /etc/network/interfaces just disable my internet connection.  Any advice?
[00:04] <rwp> It is a race of some sort. If I boot many times eventually some boot messages appear after the screen was cleared.
[00:04] <rwp> Does anyone know what additional something is clearing the screen at boot time?
[00:05] <rwp> HideMe, For one you are fighting with NetworkManager.
[00:05] <expunge> rwp: what happens?
[00:05] <ikonia> HideMe: it disables your internet connection because the physical card no longer gets an IP address, the bridge device should, however I suspect the bridge device is not getting a network address as you've not bound it to the physical device correctly
[00:05] <ikonia> HideMe: hence "no internet"
[00:05] <ikonia> that is the most common cause
[00:06] <rwp> expunge, The boot time screen is cleared at the end of boot erasing any boot time error message from the screen. I would like to see those messages.
[00:06] <spearhead> rwp, have you looked in /var/log/boot.log?
[00:06] <HideMe> ikonia, Even though my interfaces file looks identical (sub in my IP) to the example?
[00:07] <ikonia> HideMe: no idea about/not interested in the example
[00:07] <rwp> spearhead, That requires logging into the machine. I would rather have it simply leave the error on the screen.
[00:07] <ikonia> HideMe: check if your bridge device gets an ip/if you've configured a valid IP on the bridge device
[00:07] <spearhead> rwp, oh ok, I can't help you there...
[00:07] <Helsinkiii> hi
[00:08] <expunge> hi Helsinki deux
[00:08] <Helsinkiii> expo873, ?
[00:08] <Helsinkiii> expunge, ?
[00:08] <rwp> It is one of those frustrating things. It shows me the message and then a fractional second later it is gone. Grr...
[00:08] <HideMe> ikonia,  I also find that a reboot is required to test my changes, I assume network-manager is causing this?
[00:09] <ikonia> HideMe: I'd advice you not to try to manually configure device while network manager is also trying to configure devices, use one or the other
[00:09] <ikonia> HideMe: you'll find that is a fight that no-one wins
[00:09] <Helsinkiii> So, if I torrent something or view a really media-rich webpage with ads, i get a complete crash
[00:09] <rwp> If a device is listed in /etc/network/interfaces then NetworkManager will ignore it.
[00:09] <HideMe> ikonia, Yes... I'm starting to see that.   lol
[00:09] <Helsinkiii> and i often see a "no suitable module for running kernel found  (fail)"
[00:10] <expunge> Helsinkiii: ?
[00:10] <rwp> But a reboot might be needed if NetworkManager started thinking it had control of it initially.
[00:10] <Helsinkiii> so any ideas why a torrent or media/ad rich web page causes my whole system to crash, requiring a hard reboot?
[00:11] <ikonia> Helsinkiii: I'd try to focus on one of this situations, then narrow it down
[00:11] <rwp> Helsinkiii, Unfortunately that sounds like flakey hardware to me. I would run memtest86+ overnight.
[00:12] <Helsinkiii> rwp, did, nada
[00:12] <Helsinkiii> i think it might be wifi-driver related, but i don't have a real cable to test that out
[00:12] <Helsinkiii> lol "Real" cable
[00:12] <HideMe> ikonia,  Do you know of a guide for setting up KVM bridged network within network-manager?
[00:12] <rwp> That is too bad. Because that would have been easy to fix. It can still be something flakey.
[00:12] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:21 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> so i finally upgraded precise to trusty and i have a couple hiccups
[00:12] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:43 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> text antialiasing is not working right
[00:12] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:51 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> the screen is hard to read
[00:13] <Helsinkiii> rwp it happened just now and I saw a red line after the panic saying ""no suitable module for running kernel found  (fail)"
[00:13] <ikonia> HideMe: should be reasonably straight forward, just add a br device, and link it to your eth device, although I've not got network manager here to confirm
[00:14] <rwp> HideMe, Here is my working KVM network bridge using /etc/network/interfaces and NOT NetworkManager. http://pastebin.com/6QjeKAfZ
[00:15] <Helsinkiii> rwp, any clue?
[00:16] <HideMe> rwp  Thank you.   I'm going to try this in network-manager first.  :)
[00:16] <Corvette> I have a laptop with a vga and hdmi output running ubuntu 14.04. When I connect monitors to both ports it detects them in 'displays', but when I try to activate the third monitor it gives me a blank window that doesn't go away and the display does not turn on
[00:17] <LS1> hi, I just installed the maliit keyboard but how can I launch it?
[00:17] <Bashing-om> lokke: Before (re-)installing 'radeon' one must make sure any pieces of the proprietary driver have been removed. Then we can install open soutce.
[00:17] <rwp> Helsinkiii, When I search for the problem the hits all seem related to VirtualBox.
[00:17] <rwp> Helsinkiii, You left!
[00:18] <spearhead> rwp, some people are just impatient
[00:18] <rwp> spearhead, Yep. No patience. "I need patience. Give it to me now!" :-)
[00:20] <rwp> Makes me wonder if he was running from within a VBox VM though.
[00:23] <jimi> ubuntu good
[00:24] <jimi> code shell
[00:28] <Nothing_Much> Can Ubuntu's Unity run on ARM desktop computers?
[00:29] <expunge> Nothing_Much: GNOME certainly can
[00:29] <expunge> I'm not sure if compiz will build for arm
[00:30] <expunge> unity isn't so special, though, if the effects aren't terribly important to you
[00:30] <expunge> it's just a top panel and a left-side panel
[00:30] <expunge> which any number of combinations of packages can get you
[00:30] <Nothing_Much> no HUD though
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> and most menus from other DEs suck
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> so yeah
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> I want Unity on an ARM motherboard
[00:31] <expunge> HUD?
[00:31] <expunge> menus?
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> or desktop
[00:31] <expunge> you could check out unity-2d
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> Heads up display and context menus
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> Unity-2D was depreciated after 12.04
[00:31] <expunge> you'll have to be more specific
[00:31] <Vyun> does new ubuntu still have spyware on by default?
[00:31] <expunge> Nothing_Much: still works
[00:31] <Nothing_Much> There is no spyware Vyun
[00:32] <Vyun> was the last time I checked
[00:32] <Vyun> in LTS
[00:32] <expunge> Vyun: AFAIK, yup, but you can uninstall it
[00:32] <Vyun> ok, I'll pass then..
[00:32] <spearhead> Vyun, what spyware?
[00:32] <expunge> you can always install Debian unstable and get roughly the same thing
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> What are you guys doing in a channel called #ubuntu when you think that-
[00:32] <expunge> as Ubuntu
[00:32] <Vyun> and I'll just stick to Linux Mint
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> Linux Mint is more insecure than Ubuntu is
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> But this isn't a general discussion channel
[00:32] <expunge> Mint is just Ubuntu without Unity
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> You guys need to get out
[00:32] <Nothing_Much> No it's not
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> But still
[00:33] <expunge> you need only not install Unity =P
[00:33] <Vyun> it is
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> I want my support
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> I want Unity on an ARM motherboard
[00:33] <Vyun> this is a support channel?
[00:33] <expunge> I doubt Xubuntu comes with the amazon lens, for example
[00:33] <spearhead> Vyun, what spyware are you referring to?
[00:33] <expunge> Vyun: sure
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> And stop saying "spyware" it's FUD
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> There is no spyware
[00:33] <Guest54877> I'm trying to install an external hard drive from Rosewill, when I plug it in though no drive is recognized. Anyone know what I can do?
[00:33] <Nothing_Much> Get out you darned hippies
[00:33] <Vyun> it is spyware, obviously haven't seen that charming youtube video with Stallman
[00:33] <Vyun> :)
[00:34] <expunge> hwh
[00:34] <expunge> heh
[00:34] <expunge> it snoops information without informing you, that's what a lot of people call spyware
[00:34] <somsip> !adlens | Vyun (keep to being helpful and ontopic here please)
[00:34] <Vyun> spearhead, the amazon sending your search results out in the wild where everyone can see it
[00:34] <Vyun> I mean, the ubuntu sending it
[00:34] <ikonia> Vyun: stop
[00:34] <ikonia> amazon is not contacted
[00:35] <selig5_> Guest54877: Are you using eSata?
[00:35] <ikonia> if you can't even get the facts right - stop talking
[00:35] <Vyun> spyware in my dictionary, well it was the last time I used that os
[00:35] <Guest54877> IDE
[00:35] <ikonia> Vyun: then you're wrong - so stop talking
[00:35] <Nothing_Much> Vyun: Check your PMs
[00:35] <ikonia> Vyun: it's not sent results to amazon for many releases,
[00:36] <spearhead> Vyun, if that is what you are talking about then yes it is still there, and yes you can easily remove it... but as others are saying it can still only send information with your consent...
[00:36] <expunge> spearhead: how does it get consent?
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> You installing Ubuntu
[00:37] <Vyun> it did not ask for consent the last time I used the system 2 years ago, just asking if they changed it
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> Because Canonical blatantly promotes that feature
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> On their website
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> And through releases
[00:37] <Vyun> I generally don't like it when my data are being leaked
[00:37] <expunge> that's a pretty liberal definition of consent, no? =)
[00:37] <Vyun> *data is leaked, sorry
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> But anyways, stop, head over to #ubuntu-offtopic this is a support channel
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> And your data doesn't get leaked
[00:37] <Vyun> it does.
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> How so?
[00:38] <Vyun> but oh well, thanks for answering
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> Link my data if you can
[00:38] <Vyun> switching to Linux Mint channel:)
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> I use Ubuntu all the time
[00:38] <Vyun> ok
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> Enjoy your lack of security updates
[00:38] <expunge> I think Vyun doesn't care whether it has his name on it or not
[00:38] <expunge> just that it's given to anyone
[00:38] <HideMe> rwp  Did you have to uninstall network-manager to set-up your br0?
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> So anyways
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Does Unity work on ARM at all?
[00:39] <spearhead> !offtopic | expunge, Vyun,
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Or does it depend on the drivers?
[00:39] <expunge> Nothing_Much: I'm not sure compiz does, that would be the clincher
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Because I'm looking for an ARM desktop
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Yeah, I hate Compiz
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> That's the one thing I hate about Unity
[00:39] <rwp> HideMe, I did for other reasons. But if you add "iface eth0 inet manual" to the file then NetworkManager will ignore it.
[00:39] <expunge> compiz is the main part of Unity that isn't GNOME
[00:39] <Nothing_Much> Thank goodness for Unity 8 though
[00:40] <expunge> what's unity 8?
[00:40] <rwp> HideMe, Sorry I forgot to mention that in my pastebin. Didn't think of it until now.
[00:40] <expunge> spearhead: suppah
[00:40] <Vyun> now that they're doing off topic stuff no one cares, great
[00:40] <expunge> Vyun: =)
[00:40] <rwp> HideMe, In other words you shouldn't need to uninstall it.
[00:40] <Vyun> :)
[00:40] <Nothing_Much> Hmm..
[00:41] <Nothing_Much> Is it possible to find a recommendation for an ARM desktop?
[00:41] <HideMe> rwp Just a sec, I'll paste too.
[00:41] <expunge> Nothing_Much: sure
[00:41] <expunge> Nothing_Much: Xfce
[00:41] <rwp> Nothing_Much, I usually recommend either XFCE or LXDE.  Work great with Raspbian on my Raspberry Pi.
[00:42] <Nothing_Much> Oi
[00:42] <Nothing_Much> I WANT Unity
[00:42] <expunge> so use Unity
[00:42] <Nothing_Much> I hate "lightweight" desktop environments that people claim that are "stable" and "work well" when there's problems with tearing and scaling
[00:42] <HideMe> rwp,   http://pastebin.com/m0Z2FFkM
[00:43] <expunge> Nothing_Much: well I just saw a random blog post claiming ordinary ubuntu with unity installed on arm
[00:43] <spearhead> Nothing_Much, apparently there are lots of people putting ubuntu on chromebooks which are arm based
[00:43] <expunge> so go forth
[00:43] <Nothing_Much> Hm.
[00:43] <rwp> HideMe, Not sure about the "auto eth0" line. I think it doesn't matter since it is marked "manual".
[00:43] <Nothing_Much> Okay, another question, are there websites that have recommendations for ARM desktops at all?
[00:44] <expunge> Nothing_Much: for desktop environments?
[00:44] <Nothing_Much> The last one I had had PowerVR graphics though
[00:44] <spearhead> Nothing_Much, I just searched for ubuntu unity on arm
[00:44] <expunge> or for hardware?
[00:44] <rwp> HideMe, Please remove the "network" line as that isn't ever needed. You must be looking at an older example. People have been trying to clear that from older examples for a couple of years now.
[00:44] <HideMe> rwp soon as I reboot with that config then I loose my internet connection.
[00:44] <Nothing_Much> expunge: Hardware, I'm uninterested in anything else except GNOME, Unity, and Enlightenment
[00:44] <fission6> i am currently under my user account, i did crontab -e and placed an entry in, however it doesn't appear to me running, can i do crontab -e as my user or do i need to be root?
[00:45] <expunge> Nothing_Much: okay, but gnome, unity and enlightenment are software...
[00:45] <ilyas> hello
[00:45] <expunge> ilyas: hi
[00:45] <rwp> HideMe, Also please remove "broadcast" for the same reason as "network".  Both are redundant with "netmask".  netmask is good.   If you sudo crontab -e then you edit the root user crontab
[00:45] <expunge> Nothing_Much: do you want arm, or do you actually just want affordable and low power?
[00:45] <spearhead> HideMe, rwp, the auto eth0 line tells it to automatically bring up that interface
[00:45] <HideMe> rwp  I'm following  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking
[00:45] <Basketball> can i control pc from voice
[00:45] <Nothing_Much> expunge: ARM, I have a 45watt x86 AMD CPU and my room STILL heats up
[00:45] <ilyas> wath !
[00:46] <fission6> somsip: that makes sense, but do i have to *do* anything special if i doit as a user, or will cron pick it up, becaus e the job isn't running
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: why do you want arm specifically?
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> Argh, I wish ARM was more common on desktops and had games that ran on graphics
[00:46] <expunge> it's plenty common
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> expunge: Because of the low power and especially heat
[00:46] <expunge> they just don't call them 'desktops', 'cause that'd be pointless
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: okay
[00:46] <rwp> spearhead, "auto" is the old way. "allow-hotplug" is the new way. But br0 is the interface that needs to come up not eth0.
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: it's just a budgetary game at this point
[00:46] <somsip> fission6: usually this is because the script being run makes assumptions about the environment which maybe are not available to the cron daemon. Like ENV variables and relative paths, eg: ~/
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: you can get cheaper ones that aren't quite as cutting edge
[00:46] <expunge> Nothing_Much: or spend a little more and get fancier ones
[00:47] <rwp> With "auto" boot was (in the old days) synchronous with /etc/init.d/networking.
[00:47] <fission6> somsip: him how can i test or see whats happening
[00:47] <expunge> the original rpi model b's are probably the cheapest, but only by $20-$30 really
[00:47] <Nothing_Much> I can compile FOSS games and there's some even compiled in Ubuntu's repos
[00:47] <Nothing_Much> Such as 0AD
[00:47] <rwp> With "allow-hotplug" the idea is that everything is event driven as the interface is discovered.
[00:47] <rwp> The old way was "/etc/init.d/networking restart" (then "service networking restart").
[00:47] <spearhead> rwp, I would still rather it bring the interface up and then wait for a connection...
[00:47] <expunge> Nothing_Much: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware has a good roundup
[00:48] <somsip> fission6: edit the crontab and append 2> /tmp/cronlog (or similar) to the end. This will output any errors in the script
[00:48] <rwp> The new way is "ifup eth0" and "ifdown eth0".
[00:48] <somsip> fission6: ...output to the named file...
[00:48] <rwp> spearhead, If I am running NIS then I always use "auto eth0" too.  Because then the system requires networking.
[00:48] <fission6> somsip: i see this (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
[00:48] <rwp> spearhead, But on a mobile laptop I always use "allow-hotplug" so that it can come and go.
[00:48] <fission6> somsip: grep CRON /var/log/syslog
[00:48] <rwp> Different environments need different things.
[00:49] <somsip> fission6: that will tell you if it's failed, though tail -f /var/log/syslog might be easier to monitor
[00:49] <spearhead> rwp, I just use the same on all... actually my main laptop I just let network manager take care of it...
[00:49] <rwp> HideMe, When the network has failed and doesn't work for you what is the output of "ip addr show" on your system? Please pastebin it.
[00:50] <rwp> spearhead, NetworkManager is yet another way. And WICD is yet another alternative way to that.
[00:50] <rwp> HideMe, Here is an example ip addr show from my KVM machine. http://pastebin.com/yXTERNzb
[00:50] <HideMe> rwp Being that network-manager is still installed, how do I get my interface changes to take without rebooting?
[00:50] <rwp> HideMe, I am hoping you will be missing something that we can detect as a clue as to why your system isn't happyp.
[00:51] <rwp> HideMe, Good question. Not sure. Is there a way to tell NM to shutdown and let go of a connection?
[00:51] <spearhead> rwp, if he is trying to bridge to eth0 then doesn't eth0 have to be up?
[00:51] <HideMe> rwp  Ive tried what was suggested in that guide, but it gets ignored.  lol
[00:52] <HideMe> rwp  guess I'll have to reconnect.    brb.
[00:52] <rwp> spearhead, In this context "up" has a specific meaning. Normally you don't configure eth0 by itself. Normally you configure the bridge br0 and it brings up eth0.
[00:52] <spearhead> rwp, HideMe, sudo stop network-manager
[00:53] <rwp> HideMe, I know you mentioned some guide now lost back in the scroll history. But *I* wasn't motivated to look (sorry) because I have it working for me.
[00:53] <rwp> HideMe, If you paste in the URL again I will look at it this time.
[00:53] <spearhead> rwp, ok, I thought that eth0 had to be up for br0 to connect to it...
[00:54] <rwp> JFTR the reason I don't like NM is that it is has dropped the network on me too many times. It did it again today on an Ubuntu machine that I was trying to set up over the network. It's most common failure mode is that you are now disconnected. Argh. So I always use ifupdown instead since that has been rock solid for years.
[00:55] <rwp> But the difference is servers versus a mobile laptop.
[00:55] <rwp> Servers should be stable. They don't need NM.
[00:55] <HideMe> rwp   http://pastebin.com/3y7AAmtY
[00:55] <spearhead> I agree, I never use NM on a server.
[00:56] <HideMe> rwp  The guide:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking
[00:56] <rwp> HideMe, Is your main network eth0 or wlan0?
[00:57] <HideMe> rwp  according to ifconfig it's eth0
[00:57] <rwp> That page shows "auto eth0" for the manual eth0 connection so that must be okay.  Answering my question from before.
[00:57] <ilyas> ++
[00:58] <rwp> HideMe, Your listing shows a virbr0 device too.  Hmm...  A clue there but I don't know what.
[00:59] <HideMe> rwp virbr0 is for it your qemu config has "user" vs "tap".
[01:01] <rwp> HideMe, I want to hack on that wiki page and update it.
[01:01] <HideMe> rwp do you assign static IP's to your VMs?
[01:01] <rwp> There is no reason for a user to use "invoke-rc.d networking stop". That is for in package postinst scripts. Users should use "service networking stop".
[01:02] <rwp> HideMe, I do for my case. I want to be able to connect to them from the outside world.
[01:02] <ilyas> hi
[01:02] <HideMe> rwp  Can you show me how to do that, without loosing network-manager?
[01:03] <rwp> HideMe, If you don't need external connectivity then you can avoid this whole bridge issue and use "host" networking instead. That allows outgoing from the VM networking using a software NAT.
[01:03] <expunge> ilyas: hey again
[01:04] <HideMe> rwp Yeah, I've got that now.  But I'd like my VM's to talk to the outside world and eachother.
[01:04] <ilyas>  thanks
[01:04] <HideMe> rwp Upon set-up, give the VM a static IP and be done with it.
[01:04] <rwp> There are so many ways for something to fail. And usually exactly one way for it to work correctly. That debugging can be hard.
[01:05] <rwp> HideMe, The VM can have a static IP but then it needs the bridge in order to communicate through using that IP.
[01:05] <ilyas> exit
[01:05] <HideMe> rwp  back to square one.   lol
[01:06] <rwp> HideMe, I still think your ip addr show output has clues. I don't know how to interpret those clues though.
[01:08] <rwp> HideMe, It has a virbr0 that came from somewhere. The br0 isn't populated.
[01:08] <HideMe> rwp going to try stopping networking with 'service networking stop' config as I'd pasted and then restart networking.
[01:09] <HideMe> rwp yeah, it came from qemu install.   virbr0 is for it your qemu config has "user" vs "tap".
[01:10] <rwp> HideMe, And since I don't use NM I don't know how to tell NM to build the bridge itself. And apparently no one else in the channel knows this either or they would volunteer it.
[01:10] <Dramors> Hey people, I'm on 14.04 and the dash shows me no applications after running the software updater
[01:10] <Dramors> How can I fix this?
[01:10] <HideMe> rwp  service networking stop     stop: Unknown job: networking
[01:11] <HideMe> oh n/m   forgot sudo
[01:11] <YantriCorp> does linux have a file path like a logical network port map such as   /network/tcp/22/in or /network/tcp/22/out   just listen and spit stuff out with cat or tail or an of the fopen tools or what have you...any plan for this feature in future or something like it?
[01:11] <rwp> HideMe, "ls /etc/init.d |grep net" and hopfully you will see /etc/init.d/networking there.
[01:12] <HideMe> rwp yes.
[01:12] <rwp> Then really "service networking stop" should trigger that script.
[01:12] <HideMe> rwp fyi sudo service networking stop   don't work.
[01:12] <spearhead> HideMe, sudo stop network-manager
[01:13] <rwp> spearhead, Will stopping NM really be sufficient? I worry.
[01:13] <Dramors> Hey people, I'm on 14.04 and the dash shows me no applications after running the software updater. Any ideas how to fix this?
[01:13]  * rwp my time grows short.
[01:13] <spearhead> rwp, I don't know either...
[01:13] <HideMe> spearhead, according to the guide, sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop is recommended to stop networking before config.
[01:14] <Dramors> I googled but found no relevant results for 14.04. There was a result that told me to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -A but theres no such option anymore
[01:14] <spearhead> HideMe, ok, try sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[01:14] <rwp> One of the long running issues has been if a device is up and configured. But then the config file is changed. People stop using the new config.
[01:14] <rwp> And then it can't really stop because the config is different from when it was started.
[01:14] <rwp> Out of sync between the starts and the stops with different configs edited between.
[01:14] <HideMe> spearhead,  Does nothing.   :)
[01:15] <rwp> So it is always safer to stop things first, make all of the edits, then start things back up again.
[01:15] <DonkeyHotei> sudo dpkg --configure -a still exists
[01:15] <eeee> HideMe: sudo service network-manager stop
[01:15] <Dramors> DonkeyHotei: Is that the same thing? I'm asking cause in the reply I read it was capitalized
[01:15] <HideMe> eeee   Trying to stop/start networking as a whole.
[01:15] <DonkeyHotei> there was never a -A
[01:15] <Dramors> Ah okay I see
[01:15] <Dramors> thanks :)
[01:16] <spearhead> HideMe, does it do nothing, or print an error?
[01:16] <rwp> Dramors, And also "dpkg-reconfigure" is not quite the same as "dpkg --configure".
[01:17] <HideMe> spearhead, does nothing.
[01:17]  * rwp is out of time now.
[01:17] <HideMe> rwp  Thanks anyway.  :)
[01:17] <rwp> HideMe, Sorry I wasn't of more help. Good luck getting your bridge running.
[01:17] <rwp> spearhead, Thanks for the help with things.
[01:17] <rwp> See ya!
[01:18] <spearhead> rwp, see ya
[01:18] <spearhead> HideMe, try running ps aux | grep network
[01:18] <spearhead> to see what networking process are running
[01:20] <HideMe> spearhead, dhclient, dnsmasq
[01:20] <eeee> HideMe: ifconfig <interface> down
[01:21] <eeee> HideMe: ifdown <interface>
[01:21] <lxx> 完全看不懂
[01:22] <spearhead> Hide me here are my Network process running, are yours similar? http://pastebin.com/3Pe2YBeB
[01:22] <HideMe> eeee I'm trying to accomplish this.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking    When I change my interfaces, I lose internet connectivity.
[01:22] <daftykins> !cn | lxx
[01:23] <HideMe> spearhead,  http://pastebin.com/frxyYznQ
[01:24] <spearhead> HideMe, ok, you still need to kill network manager... are you on the same computer you are trying to configure?
[01:24] <HideMe> spearhead,  Yes.   I'm going to try this once more in network-manager though.
[01:24] <HideMe> brb
[01:28] <Basketball> can i control pc from voice
[01:28] <ikonia> Basketball: realistically - no
[01:28] <ikonia> there is voice control software.....is it usable, no
[01:30] <chaotix> hello, i am following the instructions to install the drivers for my brother mfcj410w printer and scanner, and i am unable to install the LPR driver because i am getting the following error...  i did it in the terminal so that i can share the output..  please help if you can.  thanks
[01:30] <chaotix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354474/
[01:31] <HideMe> spearhead, back.
[01:32] <HideMe> spearhead, back.
[01:32] <ruu> when did ubuntu switch from main/contrib/nonfree to main/restricted/universe/multiverse?
[01:33] <xion> test
[01:33] <chaotix> i am trying the automatic method in the ubuntu printers program now, will tell how that works
[01:33] <daftykins> chaotix: what do you get from "ls -al /var/spool/" ?
[01:33] <somsip> !test | xion
[01:35] <HideMe> spearhead, You alive?
[01:35] <xion> richard said ubuntu is part of NSA PRISM
[01:35] <somsip> !fud | xion
[01:35] <spearhead> HideMe, yeah, I'm still here
[01:36] <HideMe> spearhead, so what were you going to suggest?
[01:36] <HideMe> spearhead, I'd rather not uninstall network-manager because I like the icon, but I will if need be.
[01:37] <chaotix> hey is anyone here that can help me with installing my printer driver?  i am getting the following error
[01:38] <chaotix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354474/
[01:38] <chaotix> daftykins, sorry i jsut saw your response
[01:38] <spearhead> well, since you are on the computer you are trying to configure when you disable network manager you will probably lose your connection... I know there is a way to create a bridge in NM but I'm not really sure how. and I'm not really the best at configuring bridges to begin with. I have only successfully done it once
[01:39] <goose_> Hello! Any suggestions for music management for ipod touch 4 gen? I don't think that anything but iTunes works, and iTunes doesn't seem to run on linux... I tried playonlinux with no success...
[01:39] <ikonia> chaotix: a.) looks like that's not meant for your system b.) shouldn't need --force c.) it's complaining about missing directories, that should be straight forward to fix, but I would expect the deb to create them
[01:39] <ikonia> goose_: ipod+linux = no realistic supported solution
[01:39] <HideMe> spearhead, well, thank you for your time.
[01:40] <chaotix> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354513/
[01:40] <spearhead> HideMe, sorry I couldn't be of more help... if rwp was still here we could probably get you there...
[01:41] <daftykins> chaotix: "sudo mkdir /var/spool/lpd" then try again, though heed ikonia's words if he suggests the package you have might not be correct
[01:41] <chaotix> goose_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/293722/how-to-manage-music-ipod-touch-4g-ios6-ubuntu-13-04
[01:41] <ikonia> goose_: that link is not useful
[01:41] <chaotix> ok thanks guys
[01:42] <chaotix> this worked in the past, as i have used the same drivers and same stuff on previous ubuntu versions
[01:42] <chaotix> this is my first time attempting to install on 14.04
[01:43] <chaotix> ikonia, goose_ , sorry i was hoping it would be useful
[01:43] <ikonia> chaotix: have you ever used the technique in that link ?
[01:43] <chaotix> ikonia, i have not
[01:44] <ikonia> chaotix: no problem, if you don't know if something works, best not to post it, anyone on the internet can write anything, doesn't mean it's good info
[01:44] <chaotix> i don't have an ipod
[01:44] <chaotix> ok
[01:44] <goose_> chaotix: ikonia: well thanks for trying to help!
[01:44] <chaotix> good luck with it
[01:44] <goose_> chaotix: Thanks
[01:44] <ikonia> goose_: sorry, just trying to give you realistic information about it, rather than wacky solutions
[01:44] <ikonia> goose_: even things that work for a day, break the with the next ios update
[01:45] <ikonia> so it's just not realistic at this time
[01:45] <haploid> Imay be completely losing my mind here, but ubuntu.com claims there is a netperf package for 14.04 but apt says there isn't. Can anyone confirm/deny this?
[01:45] <ikonia> haploid: where are you looking on ubuntu.com ?
[01:46] <goose_> ikonia: Probably a time-saver in the end...
[01:46] <ikonia> goose_: hence why I'm trying to be realistic
[01:46] <ki7mt> Can anyone else verify this for me. I think my manpage for "test" has been overwritten by a Spamassassin Mail Test Plugin man page.
[01:46] <bazhang> !info netperf
[01:46] <bazhang> haploid, ^
[01:46] <haploid> ikonia: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=netperf
[01:47] <ki7mt> by verifying I mean, simple run man test and see what it yields.
[01:47] <ikonia> haploid: check the info ubottu just gave you
[01:47] <ikonia> haploid: package exists in the multiverse repo
[01:48] <haploid> hmm allright thanks
[01:49] <spearhead> ki7mt, http://pastebin.com/ku68EnMj
[01:50] <ki7mt> spearhead, Thanks, yup, looks mine got nuked somehow.
[01:51] <YesSirrrrrrrrrrr> Well shave my legs and call me a women!
[01:52] <haploid> So, even after uncommenting the multiverse lines in sources and updating, netperf still isn't found.
[01:52] <ikonia> !topic | YesSirrrrrrrrrrr
[01:52] <spearhead> haploid, what version are you running?
[01:53] <haploid> spearhead: 14.04
[01:55] <Basketball> HOW DO I INSTALL flash on chromium
[01:56] <daftykins> Basketball: look for the pepperpot flash installer package
[01:56] <spearhead> haploid, so, you uncommented all the multiverse lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and ran sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install netperf and it still can't find it? were there any errors in the update?
[01:56] <daftykins> Basketball: pepperflashplugin-nonfree i think
[01:59] <haploid> spearhead: Ifigured it out - the only multiverse lines in sources were for security, not main. not sure why. so I manually added multiverse main
[01:59] <haploid> getting a duplicate source warning now, but it works
[02:01] <spearhead> haploid, ok, glad you got it working
[02:02] <prawn> haploid http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354658/ if it helps.
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:21 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> so i finally upgraded precise to trusty and i have a couple hiccups
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:43 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> text antialiasing is not working right
[02:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:51 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> the screen is hard to read
[02:16] <cmyers_laptop> uh... so I was on precise, I edited my /etc/apt/sources.list and replaced "precise' with 'trusty', then did `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`.  Now everything is fucked.  I can't seem to install the new kernel package, and I can't seem to get fglrx to install cleanly with the old kernel
[02:17] <cmyers_laptop> dpkg is giving no details besides "errors were encountered while processing"
[02:17] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: 1.) thats not how you upgrade 2.) please control your langauge in the channel, we don't allow swearing
[02:17] <cmyers_laptop> how do I debug this?
[02:17] <cmyers_laptop> how do you upgrade, if not via the package manager?
[02:17] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: I'd suggest you backup your data and do a clean 14.04 install
[02:17] <ikonia> as we don't know what packages got upgraded, what didn't, what state the system is in
[02:17] <ikonia> don't reboot if you can help it
[02:18] <ikonia> (until you back up your data)
[02:18] <cmyers_laptop> if I'm doing a clean install, I'm sure as crap not doing it with ubuntu.  This is ridic.  Debian never had these problems
[02:18] <ikonia> ok
[02:18] <cmyers_laptop> can the installer not even be trusted to leave my home partition alone?
[02:18] <cmyers_laptop> do I really need to back up to a separate disk?
[02:18] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: shouldn't have touched it
[02:18] <cmyers_laptop> ok, that's something.
[02:18] <ikonia> but backup as best you can, belt and braces
[02:21] <cmyers_laptop> is the upgrade proceedure *really* to burn a CD and run a fresh install?
[02:21] <ikonia> no
[02:21] <cmyers_laptop> the only other thing I saw googling was to run some GUI app
[02:21] <ikonia> the upgrade process is a proven tried and tested process, that if you follow should have no problems
[02:21] <cmyers_laptop> which is equally ridic
[02:21] <ikonia> !upgrade
[02:21] <cmyers_laptop> I will read those, ty
[02:21] <ikonia> I wouldn't trust you system now though to be honest
[02:22] <wafflejock> cmyers_laptop: yeah like ikonia always good to have a backup
[02:23] <wafflejock> cmyers_laptop: I just use duplicity with the default backup GUI in Ubuntu Gnome, but typically take a clonezilla snapshot after I have my system configured initially too
[02:23] <talo> hi
[02:23] <cmyers_laptop> clearly not.  things are all manner of disasterfied.
[02:23] <expunge> hi talo
[02:23] <cmyers_laptop> I can't believe simply asking the package manager to install new versions of packages has done this
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> Hell!
[02:24] <ikonia> it's not that simple
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> Hello!*
[02:24] <expunge> 'lo
[02:24] <ikonia> there are changes between distros, some packages don't exist, other new ones appear
[02:24] <cmyers_laptop> that is a bug, not a feature.
[02:24] <cmyers_laptop> apt can handle that.
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> I'm having trouble getting a script to work, the syntax is beyond me
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> Here it is:
[02:24] <NeedNetworkHelp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8354738/
[02:24] <wafflejock> cmyers_laptop: no doubt there are bugs in the upgrade process sometimes it goes smooth but often times a clean install is an easier route really due to what ikonia mentioned
[02:25] <wafflejock> cmyers_laptop: some packages are taken out others are replaced etc. sometimes things don't go smooth
[02:25] <NeedNetworkHelp> The error I am getting is
[02:25] <NeedNetworkHelp>  line 24: $LOG: ambiguous redirect
[02:25] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: it's not a bug
[02:25] <cmyers_laptop> I'm sure the ubuntu devs don't think it is
[02:25] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: lets stop with the smart comments
[02:25] <cmyers_laptop> but I've run debina for over a decade and never had to do anything other that type apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:25] <ikonia> cmyers_laptop: we are here to help, give you the correct process
[02:26] <expunge> cmyers_laptop: you could always use Debian
[02:26] <ikonia> if you can't use the channel without the smart mouth running commentary, don't
[02:26] <cmyers_laptop> fine, sorry, I came here more pissed off than anything
[02:26] <NeedNetworkHelp> Anyone good with bash?
[02:26] <wafflejock> expunge: truth
[02:26] <spearhead> NeedNetworkHelp, You have to uncomment the line #LOG=/home/$USER/rtorrent_cron.log if you want to use $LOG
[02:26] <dupingping> scp is very slow on site2site vpn
[02:26] <cmyers_laptop> you've told me what i need to do, which is burn this machine to the ground
[02:26] <cmyers_laptop> awesome.
[02:26] <NeedNetworkHelp> spearhead, thanks!
[02:26] <dupingping> but directly is very fast.
[02:26] <expunge> dupingping: -o Ciphers=arcfour -o Compression=no
[02:26] <ikonia> debian is not ubuntu
[02:26] <dupingping> expunge: i use softethervpn.
[02:26] <NeedNetworkHelp> And it works perfectly!
[02:26] <expunge> but ubuntu is debian =)
[02:26] <cmyers_laptop> no, it's better =P
[02:27] <NeedNetworkHelp> Spearhead, much appreciated =D
[02:27] <expunge> dupingping: neat
[02:27] <jiohdi> cmyers_laptop, whats the big deal, just re-install its only a half hr lost
[02:27] <spearhead> NeedNetworkHelp, np
[02:27] <CodeGosu> i have nvidia card and intel cpu with integrated graphic, when i tryed to switch to intel integrated gpu, i had problems getting system to boot (blackscreen), only in recovery mode, failsafe graphic mode i was able to boot, what kind of woodoo magic am i required to do to switch to intel integrated gpu?
[02:27] <eeee> NeedNetworkHelp: also, unccoment #MSG ....
[02:27] <eeee> *uncomment
[02:27] <NeedNetworkHelp> Will do , thanks
[02:27] <spearhead> yeah, I missed that one
[02:27] <dupingping> using compression is faster than not one?
[02:28] <NeedNetworkHelp> The guide was pretty sparse for this script
[02:28] <NeedNetworkHelp> Have a good night to you all =)
[02:29] <Caramoan> guys help me with my login screen, it never change the way i change my wallpaper it stock in unity wallpaper only in login screen..
[02:30] <eeee> Caramoan: are you using a .png file?
[02:31] <Caramoan> eeee, jpg file
[02:31] <eeee> Caramoan: try a .png
[02:31] <Caramoan> eeee, ok i try
[02:33] <gorelative> hey everyone
[02:33] <gorelative> trying to track down which packages/repo's im missing for my local mirror.
[02:33] <gorelative> https://gist.github.com/mikedevita/eb1ba5b1c5823ceca16f
[02:34] <gorelative> im new to creating local mirrors :P
[02:34] <ikonia> gorelative: how are you creating the mirror
[02:36] <samuel> alot
[02:36] <ikonia> gorelative: there is no web server running on that url
[02:36] <ikonia> thats your issue
[02:36] <gorelative> ikonia.. its a private mirror :P
[02:36] <gorelative> thats my mirror URL
[02:37] <Caramoan> eeee, thanks its works..
[02:37] <eeee> Caramoan: no problem
[02:37] <ikonia> gorelative: how are you creating the mirror
[02:37] <gorelative> using apt-mirror
[02:37] <gorelative> and giving it the mirror.list (second file in that gist)
[02:38] <gorelative> its pulling them from mirrors.digitalocean.com
[02:38] <ikonia> looks like it's not pulling down anything
[02:38] <gorelative> i only included the errors :)
[02:39] <ikonia> yes, and they are telling you what files it's missing
[02:39] <gorelative> okay but how do you format the deb lines in mirror.list to pull those files?
[02:40] <ikonia> you don't
[02:40] <ikonia> they should be pulled in as part of the sync
[02:40] <gorelative> as part of main?
[02:40] <gorelative> ah o see
[02:40] <gorelative> i see
[02:40] <gorelative> hmm i wonder why its not pulling them..
[02:41] <gorelative> http://mirrors.digitalocean.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/source/
[02:41] <gorelative> theyre there..
[02:46] <damccull> I have a script
[02:46] <damccull> it goes like this
[02:46] <damccull> while true; do
[02:46] <damccull> ping localhost
[02:46] <damccull> loop
[02:46] <damccull> ...
[02:46] <damccull> ctrl-c does not stop it
[02:46] <damccull> how do I stop it?
[02:46] <expunge> damccull: hold down CTRL+c
[02:46] <damccull> thanks
[02:47] <damccull> WOO!
[02:47] <damccull> Thanks :D
[02:47] <damccull> works like a char
[02:47] <damccull> m
[02:47] <damccull> i guess it was killing the instance of ping
[02:47] <damccull> instead of the script?
[02:47] <expunge> well if it was a loop
[02:47] <expunge> it was probably just starting again
[02:47] <expunge> hold down CTRL+c, and _usually_, eventually, you catch it while it's restarting
[02:47] <damccull> i see
[02:47] <damccull> that's awesome
[02:47] <expunge> s/and/you/
[02:48] <damccull> so how would you do it if you can't catch it?
[02:48] <expunge> whoops, n/m
[02:48] <expunge> if you can't catch it, you switch to another term/tty as fast as you can
[02:48] <expunge> and kill it
[02:48] <expunge> it's good to put a delay in your scripts =)
[02:48] <expunge> and even checks for sanity
[02:50] <damccull> ah
[02:50] <damccull> well i wasn't planning to use this for longer than abuot 10 minutes then delete it :D
[02:50] <damccull> I was watching for the IP switch on my dns change
[02:50] <braino> daftykins: just saw that from the other channel
[02:50] <damccull> so it wasn't 'localhost' but my domain name
[02:51] <braino> got nothing against ubuntu, but the ops in here are weal
[02:51] <braino> weak*
[02:53] <suzy> o/
[02:53] <expunge> braino: that's everywhere =)
[02:53] <expunge> suzy: heya
[02:53] <suzy> hiya
[02:55] <redgoku> hai everyone
[02:55] <expunge> ohai
[02:59] <SASDOE> hey guys, I have a server (14.04), root is on ext4 and home brtfs. Every two weeks (give or take), it just completely hangs, breaking all networking (so can't SSH into it, have to reboot with hard button -- will reboot shutdown properly though, in about 10 times as much time is usually does). And I have messages such as "process something something has something something for 120 seconds. to disable this message echo something something/kernel"
[02:59] <SASDOE> I was blaming brtfs, but since it is not the root partition I don't know.
[02:59] <expunge> SASDOE: uevents? =)
[03:00] <SASDOE> Any ideas of what I can do? And mainly can I either prevent it (preferably) or have it restart in such event by itself?
[03:00] <SASDOE> expunge: say what? :)
[03:00] <gorelative> ikonia, it was because i didnt have deb-src defined :)
[03:00] <expunge> SASDOE: is it a vm?
[03:00] <braino> line 4 - suzy wins
[03:01] <suzy> ;)
[03:01] <deanclkclk> anyone here uses cygwin?
[03:01] <SASDOE> No physical server. Has ECC ram and xeon3
[03:01] <expunge> deanclkclk: probably some people do
[03:01] <expunge> SASDOE: doubt the processing msgs are related, particularly
[03:02] <SASDOE> However I have seen the 120 seconds messages without it being hanged
[03:02] <SASDOE> Ok. Then how can I catch such a hang and have it reboot, or better yet, prevent this hang?
[03:04] <capellan> Is there anywhere I can find resources for manually installing Ubuntu like with arch? I have a small x86_32 machine with a 2GB SSD, and it's too small for even Lubuntu, so I'm looking to install a base and work from there
[03:04] <expunge> SASDOE: have to investigate
[03:04] <expunge> capellan: debootstrap
[03:04] <xangua> !minimal | capellan
[03:05] <rightmess> I've _just_ installed Gnome3. Is the recommended way to change the theme really with gnome tweak tool?
[03:05] <expunge> recommended by?
[03:05] <TJ-> SASDOE: You really need remote KVM to deal with that; do you have that option?
[03:05] <capellan> expunge: Bingo, thanks
[03:05] <unkn-error> can some one find a package for me
[03:05] <somsip> unkn-error: what package?
[03:05] <SASDOE> expunge: so where should I look?
[03:06] <unkn-error> http://nixdoc.net/man-pages/FreeBSD/ee.1.html
[03:06] <unkn-error> it is Easy Editor " ee "
[03:06] <SASDOE> TJ-: well if not over 100$ it could be.
[03:06] <somsip> !find easy
[03:06] <capellan> ubottu: How well does it support wi-fi these days?
[03:06] <somsip> !info ee | unkn-error
[03:07] <unkn-error> thank you... is there a reason for not existing like being deprecated / obsolete / security risk etc?
[03:07] <somsip> unkn-error: looks like it was in the repos once, but not any more
[03:07] <TJ-> SASDOE: syslog and kern.log should be capturing those messages, if their file-systems aren't the issue
[03:08] <bwmc> is best pony
[03:09] <unkn-error> Thank you for help somsip
[03:09] <Serraphyn> Hello again, I'm building a PC for my nephew and I have just put it together and its a Core 2 Duo Quad Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz with 8GB of Ram and an Nvidia 250 GTS card. I've also added a USB 3.0 micro card. Would this be good to run Ubuntu 14.04 64 bit on?
[03:09] <capellan> xangua: How well does it support wifi these days? (seeing as the bot didn't know)
[03:09] <SASDOE> Ok, so next time I have a crash, hopefully not to soon since I am 7000km from server, I'll save both and come back
[03:09] <xangua> capellan: you can download ubuntu and comprobe it yourseld
[03:09] <xangua> !hardware | capellan
[03:09] <expunge> Serraphyn: sure
[03:10] <capellan> xangua: Fair enough.
[03:10] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:21 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> so i finally upgraded precise to trusty and i have a couple hiccups
[03:10] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:43 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> text antialiasing is not working right
[03:10] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2014-09-14 10:02:51 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> the screen is hard to read
[03:11] <somsip> DonkeyHotei: please stop repasting something from a few days ago and just state your real problem
[03:11] <DonkeyHotei> somsip: that's the first problem right there
[03:11] <Serraphyn> expunge: do you think that is better then http://ca.gateway.com/gw/en/CA/content/model/DT.GEJAA.001?
[03:12] <SASDOE> Oh and can't I buy something to have control over ACPI controls over internet?
[03:12] <expunge> significantly
[03:12] <expunge> Serraphyn: ^
[03:12] <xangua> DonkeyHotei: did you try a new user profile? to check there might not be some config in your home
[03:12] <expunge> Serraphyn: oh wait 10gb ram =P
[03:13] <SASDOE> Because KVM wouldn't work, even local login hangs to much to work.
[03:13] <expunge> Serraphyn: nah just kinda samey then
[03:13] <DonkeyHotei> xangua: lemme try the guest user real quick
[03:13] <expunge> Serraphyn: but if you assembled it yourself, in general it's probably better than a gateway =)
[03:14] <TJ-> SASDOE:  You really need IPMI on a remote server like that
[03:14] <Serraphyn> expunge: Just AMD 4 core 2.0GHz vs Intel 4 Core 2.4 Ghz
[03:14] <expunge> Serraphyn: they're pretty close, by the numbers
[03:14] <Serraphyn> Cause I think the 10GB of ram is really 9 or 8 because of the on board video
[03:15] <expunge> it's not a huge difference, no
[03:15] <Serraphyn> expunge: maybe I'll give the wife the gateway with windows 8 to play World of Warcraft on :D
[03:15] <expunge> the average mortal would be happy with about 2GB of RAM =P
[03:16] <SASDOE> TJ-: Mhh but that implies changing motherboard does it not? Can't buy a IPMI module right?
[03:17] <TJ-> SASDOE: server class motherboards usually have a lights-out option board, IPMI or something equivalent
[03:18] <hualet> hi #ubuntu, will there be any logs or records after switching user using command 'su'?
[03:18] <DonkeyHotei> xangua: seems in the guest session, i have no mouse
[03:19] <hualet> i want to list all the users that are currently logged in.
[03:19] <SASDOE> Gigabyte GA-6UASL3 doesn't unfortunatly, so I'd have to change my mb, possibly RAM as well. Sh*t
[03:19] <Serraphyn> expunge: now I'm wondering if I should go with ubuntu or something 'more' like LFS
[03:20] <expunge> Serraphyn: LFS is about learning how to make a distro
[03:20] <Serraphyn> ah
[03:20] <expunge> Serraphyn: from scratch, like your own distro, to maintain and create a package manager for, from scratch =)
[03:20] <expunge> a non-derivate from-scratch distro =)
[03:20] <expunge> good thing to learn with, probably not what you're looking for at this particular moment
[03:21] <expunge> Serraphyn: did you want something other than Ubuntu for any particular reason?
[03:22] <expunge> just a question =)
[03:23] <Bashing-om> hualet: "i want to list all the users that are currently logged in" -> terminal command: " users " do that for you ?
[03:24] <Serraphyn> expunge: I used to use gentoo a long time ago cause supposedly it was better to compile everything
[03:25] <expunge> Serraphyn: it is, of course
[03:25] <expunge> takes more server time, though
[03:26] <expunge> s/server/cpu/
[03:26] <capellan> q
[03:26] <Serraphyn> expunge: I got 5 computers and a laptop in one room, I'm not to worried about having nothing to do
[03:26] <expunge> although it needn't, Gentoo just doesn't have much in the way of binary repos for some reason
[03:26] <expunge> well it's not really about something to do, because it's not like you have to watch it compile
[03:26] <expunge> but it does take cpu cycles that all bins wouldn't
[03:26] <Serraphyn> expunge: true
[03:26] <expunge> worth it for the stability, IMO
[03:27] <Serraphyn> hmm idea, how hard is it to setup distributed computing?
[03:27] <expunge> pretty easy, particularly with Gentoo
[03:27] <Serraphyn> since I have 3 linux boxes
[03:27] <Serraphyn> hmm I'll have to figure out how to install
[03:28] <expunge> stuff like http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Distcc/Cross-Compiling
[03:28] <Serraphyn> hmm might be kinda fun to see if Icould get something working, most of my gear is wifi, but all the built in nic are doing nothing and I could have a seperate network with a hub for them :D
[03:29] <expunge> I'm sure it'd be cute
[03:29] <expunge> but it's not like it really matters if it takes a single machine a day to build 300 packages
[03:29] <expunge> even if you only updated subsequently once a week or month, it wouldn't ever be that many again
[03:30] <expunge> and it wouldn't matter if it was
[03:30] <Serraphyn> yeah I guess :-/
[03:30] <Serraphyn> expunge: you seem knolwedgable of gentoo, stage3 or minimal?
[03:31] <expunge> Serraphyn: stage3 refers to the tarball you extract, minimal is just a live OS image
[03:31] <expunge> you can install from most any live OS image
[03:31] <expunge> should probably hit up #gentoo if you want that, though
[03:31] <Serraphyn> okay thanks for the tips
[03:31] <SASDOE> Does anyone have a not overly expensive IPMI and ECC MB they could recommend?
[03:31] <expunge> SASDOE: maybe #hardware ?
[03:34] <Guest60163> hey everyone. I'm extremly knew to ubuntu and i made a huge mistake when I tried to run windows and ubunto side by side. now my windows is completely gone. MY question is how can I reinstall windows from a usb. I already have one set up to install windows again. I just have no clue how to boot ubuntu from the usb
[03:34] <expunge> Guest60163: what makes you think it's gone?
[03:34] <SASDOE> expunge: thanks
[03:34] <expunge> =)
[03:35] <Guest60163> theres no way for me to get to it if its there. to my knowledge. however I really am super new at this.
[03:35] <expunge> Guest60163: you in ubuntu now?
[03:35] <expunge> Guest60163: or on the live OS, or?
[03:36] <Guest60163> im on ubuntu
[03:36] <xion> im on fedora mate irc irssi
[03:36] <expunge> Guest60163: run this for me?: sudo apt-get install pastebinit; sudo lsblk -f |& pastebinit
[03:37] <expunge> xion: you sitting on a hat? =P
[03:37] <xion> xD
[03:37] <Guest60163> Reading package lists... Done
[03:37] <Guest60163> Building dependency tree
[03:37] <Guest60163> Reading state information... Done
[03:37] <Guest60163> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:37] <Guest60163>   pastebinit
[03:37] <Guest60163> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[03:37] <Guest60163> Need to get 14.9 kB of archives.
[03:37] <Guest60163> After this operation, 168 kB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:37] <Guest60163> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main pastebinit all 1.4-3 [14.9 kB]
[03:37] <Guest60163> Fetched 14.9 kB in 0s (39.7 kB/s)
[03:37] <Guest60163> Selecting previously unselected package pastebinit.
[03:37] <Guest60163> (Reading database ... 194602 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:37] <unopaste> Guest60163 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:37] <unopaste> Guest60163 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:37] <unopaste> Guest60163 you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:38] <Guest60163> i did what next
[03:40] <Guest60163> am I still muted?
[03:40] <expunge> Guest60163: nope
[03:40] <Guest60163> oh ok what do I do nexT?
[03:40] <expunge> Guest60163: sudo lsbk -f |& pastebinit
[03:41] <Guest60163> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355101/
[03:41] <Guest60163> am i supposed to post this?
[03:41] <cfhowlett> Guest60163, if you don't paste - we don't see.
[03:41] <expunge> Guest60163: sorry, make it pastebinit -i -
[03:42] <expunge> Guest60163: and sudo lsblk -f
[03:42] <expunge> not lsbk =)
[03:42] <Bashing-om> Guest60163: " sudo lsblk -f |& pastebini " the 'l' in blkid .
[03:43] <expunge> simpler if you can just copy & paste it
[03:43] <Guest60163> thats what ive been doing lol
[03:43] <expunge> oh sorry, wow that's two typos =)
[03:43] <expunge> heheheh
[03:43] <expunge> Guest60163: here we go: sudo lsblk -f |& pastebinit -i -
[03:44] <Guest60163> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355107/
[03:45] <Iz_> I was wondering if anyone could help me out with a VPN issue?
[03:45] <rainbowwarrior> hello
[03:45] <gkatsev> I recently did a fresh install of ubuntu 14.04 and installed vlc. Now when I run vlc I get 'bus error' and no other messages. Any ideas how to debug this and fix it?
[03:45] <Guest60163> I posted the link does it mean anything?
[03:45] <Iz_> It works for about a minute then all connection drops
[03:45] <Iz_> but it doesn't disconnect
[03:47] <Bashing-om> Guest60163: Yeah, we are awaiting expunge to be the  bearer, You must not shoot the messenger ! .
[03:48] <Guest60163> lol ah I was just curious. im patient :)
[03:49] <Guest60163> how do I change my user name on here so it doesnt say guest
[03:49] <expunge> heh
[03:49] <gkatsev> Guest60163: /nick foo
[03:49] <expunge> Guest60163: if you only have one disk, yeah, it looks like Windows is gone
[03:49] <Guest60163> how can I boot from the usb so I can reinstall it?
[03:49] <expunge> Guest60163: theoretically much of the data is likely still there, though; if you had something very important you could try and recover it
[03:49] <Guest60163> or is there an easier way to do it
[03:50] <expunge> Guest60163: you just tell your BIOS/EFI to boot from the USB
[03:50] <expunge> Guest60163: but
[03:50] <expunge> Guest60163: you have to put the image onto the USB correctly =)
[03:50] <Iz_> Anyone have any clues on where to start troubleshooting an openVPN problem?
[03:50] <Guest60163> i used the microsoft program to make the usb a bootable one
[03:50] <expunge> Guest60163: well, I've heard that works sometimes =)
[03:51] <expunge> Guest60163: hopefully when your computer boots up it tells you how to access the bios/u/efi options
[03:51] <expunge> Guest60163: otherwise just try tapping esc, or f12, etc.
[03:51] <Guest60163> any other way? im not computer savy and ubuntu is driving me crazy lol
[03:51] <expunge> Iz_: by defining the problem? =)
[03:51] <expunge> Guest60163: other way to do what?
[03:52] <Guest60163> to remove ubuntu and put windows back?
[03:52] <expunge> Guest60163: booting install media is the normal way
[03:52] <Guest60163> ah ok ill try it
[04:16] <ridha> khemmmm
[04:16] <expunge> agreed
[04:25] <rrn_> hello guys how an i connet my ubuntu to wifi network?
[04:32] <squinty> !adlens | squinty
[05:23] <netlar> Can anyone tell me how to keep Conky from hiding when doing a show desktop
[05:24] <netlar> Is that not something I should ask here?
[05:39] <netlar> Guess I answered my own question
[05:39] <ruby_on_tails> can i ask a mencoder/video related question here?
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> ruby_on_tails: if its ubuntu related
[05:41] <blackyboy> Hi everyone, Hope everyone doing good. can any one say which command we can use instead of sudo service networking restart in Ubuntu 14.04 ?
[05:41] <ruby_on_tails> lotuspsychje: its not
[05:42] <blackyboy> sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 not working
[05:42] <ruby_on_tails> where can i ask some video/encoding/ffmpeg/mencoder related questions then?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !encode
[05:43] <ruby_on_tails> #encode is dead
[05:43] <ruby_on_tails> 3-4 people in there
[05:50] <ezio> anyone know how to configure libmyodbc ... i install iodbc but it removes libmyodbc, so i literally can't get the program that configures it
[05:58] <Chenzenp> hey guys i really am sorry to post this here becuz i user debian  Derivatives but search almost whole web and try everything but couldn't do anything about, i am frustrated now can somebody help me to fix this http://paste.debian.net/121099/ ?
[06:00] <TJ-> ezio: check the package versions of libiodbc and libmyodbc - older versions have Breaks clauses in the control file
[06:00] <ezio> TJ-, i don't know what you mean ... how can i check the package versions?
[06:01] <geirha> Chenzenp: sudo locale-gen en_GB.utf8 en_US.utf8
[06:01] <TJ-> Chenzenp: See "man locale-gen"
[06:01] <TJ-> ezio: "apt-cache show <pkg>"
[06:02] <TJ-> ezio: And "apt-cache policy <pkg>" to check installed and available versions
[06:02] <ezio> i think what i really need to know is what is the proper way to configure odbc
[06:03] <ezio> aall i get is old results
[06:05] <Chenzenp> geirha, and TJ-  the problem is it dosnt have locale-gen it uses localedef
[06:06] <geirha> Chenzenp: Install the locales package
[06:11] <Chenzenp> no candidate and i have add repo in source.list dont use add-apt-repository ;(
[06:13] <nickbitreal> hey guys
[06:13] <nickbitreal> have a question about hardware
[06:13] <nickbitreal> I love apple computer build quality, but i hear drivers don't work well
[06:14] <nickbitreal> any suggestions for really premium hardware, for my next ubuntu build?
[06:14] <nickbitreal> this is for a laptop, fyi
[06:15] <nickbitreal> suggestions?
[06:20] <naturally> anyone know of a terminal that can be customized with buttons?
[06:22] <somsip> naturally: can you explain more about what you want?
[06:24] <fancyfetus> guys, I fucked up...
[06:25] <somsip> fancyfetus: keep the language family-friendly please
[06:25] <fancyfetus> somsip, got it
[06:25] <fancyfetus> I had ubuntu installed on a seperate partition
[06:25] <Bobbo> fancyfetus: I believe that belongs on reddit/tifu :P
[06:25] <fancyfetus> i figured I'll just delete the partition to remove ubuntu
[06:25] <icloud> can someone help me? i rooted my phone 4.4.2 and can browse / with root explorer, but how do i mount my phone on my computer so i can copy some file off /system..thanks
[06:26] <fancyfetus> now I can't boot at all and get stuck in grub rescue!
[06:26] <icloud> i enabled usb debug and is connecting as mtp
[06:26] <xangua> icloud: what ubuntu release are you using¿
[06:27] <somsip> fancyfetus: so what do you want to boot into? What OS is on the other partition?
[06:27] <fancyfetus> somsip, I windows
[06:27] <fancyfetus> I'd like to get into windows so that I can reinstall ubuntu
[06:28] <somsip> fancyfetus: just install from the live DVD. I have no idea about recovering windows MBR
[06:28] <fancyfetus> somsip, I get a "Remove disks or other media. Press any ke to restart"
[06:28] <icloud> xangua, 14.04
[06:28] <fancyfetus> then when I do it goes into grub rescue
[06:28] <Bobbo> fancyfetus: you can reinstall ubuntu from a live usb, which is really easy to create if you've got a flash drive or RWDVD to use.
[06:28] <somsip> fancyfetus: at one point in what process do you get that error?
[06:29] <fancyfetus> somsip, right after my bios splash screen
[06:29] <somsip> fancyfetus: so use a live DVD, like I and Bobbo have said
[06:29] <xangua> icloud: it should be mounted with no problems then, you could try airdroid as a temporal solution to transfers files
[06:29] <fancyfetus> somsip, right. I get a "Remove disks or other media" error when I use my live usb
[06:29] <fancyfetus> the problem could be my live usb
[06:29] <fancyfetus> so I'm recreating it now.
[06:30] <Bobbo> fancyfetus: Make sure your boot order is correct / you are booting from the USB device.
[06:31] <icloud> xangua, yeah it mounts, but i can only access the "user partition" (internal storage)
[06:31] <fancyfetus> Bobbo, I manually select to boot from usb and make sure it's the only usb plugged in
[06:32] <ezio> why is there no documenation about how to configure odbc that isn't 84 years old
[06:32] <Bobbo> fancyfetus: If it's newer (especially if it's got a Windows 8 sticker on it), turn off secure boot in the bios?
[06:32] <fancyfetus> Bobbo, it's an older windows 7 laptop
[06:32] <fancyfetus> haven't had problems booting from usb before
[06:33] <Bobbo> Maybe your flash drive went poopy then.
[06:33] <fancyfetus> could be a bad usb burn. we'll se
[06:33] <fancyfetus> That's what I'm thinking :P
[06:33] <juiced> icloud: you'll probably need to install adb and then enable usb debugging on your phone. you should be able to adb pull the files from /system after that
[06:33] <fancyfetus> I really want to reinstall ubuntu so I can play around with some more desktop environments
[06:34] <fancyfetus> gnome 3 just looked so good on my friends computer today
[06:34] <fancyfetus> I gotta get my fingers into it
[06:36] <icloud> juiced, ok i will probably just try that
[06:36] <icloud> i am not sure what 14.04 is using to mount android, mtpfs is apparently not installed
[06:37] <fancyfetus> uh oh
[06:37] <fancyfetus> still getting a remove disks or other media error when I try to boot
[06:38] <fancyfetus> can you update from ubuntu 12 to ubuntu 14 from inside ubuntu?
[06:39] <juiced> icloud: odd, but you are not really interested in the /sdcard anyway. it would pay to install android-tools-fastboot as well as android-tools-adb so you have the full suite for flashing etc.
[06:40] <fancyfetus> usbs are the bane of my laptop. Going to use a livecd of 13.10 to fix boot.
[06:41] <xangua> fancyfetus: you can update from 12.04 to 14.04 (LTS to LTS)
[06:42] <fancyfetus> xangua, can't update from 13.10 to 14.04?
[06:43] <xangua> fancyfetus: you can update from the previous to the right next after release, yes
[06:43] <fancyfetus> excellent, thank you :)
[06:45] <fancyfetus> OMG IT WORKED!
[06:45] <fancyfetus> Booting to windows now :D
[06:46] <fancyfetus> Never been happier
[06:46] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @fancyfetus: Booting to windows and beeing happy... Ughhh Damn you
[06:47] <_-Tom-Tom-_> ;-)
[06:47] <abaddon> !pastebin abaddon
[06:48] <abaddon> !paste abaddon
[06:48] <abaddon> !pastebin
[06:49] <icloud> juiced, do i need to install anything else beside the two package you listed? i ran adb devices as root but it shows nothing
[06:50] <icloud> lsusb return LG..blah thou
[06:50] <abaddon> can anyone assist me with why this wont echo out anything? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355858/
[06:54] <sovsianikov> .
[06:54] <juiced> icloud: it shouldn't need root. did you enable the developer options on your phone and enable usb debugging? then you need to accept the rsa key the first time you do adb devices.
[06:56] <juiced> icloud: ubuntu is good because you don't need to whitelist the usb vendor in udev, unlike many other distros
[06:59] <abaddon> can anyone assist me with why this wont echo out anything? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355858/
[06:59] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @abaddon
[06:59] <_-Tom-Tom-_> look at /bin/sh -x xyz.sh
[07:00] <_-Tom-Tom-_> no line to sed ;-)
[07:00] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: ??
[07:00] <abaddon> How so?
[07:01] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: It worked great till i tried to have it loop a number of times
[07:01] <_-Tom-Tom-_> what do you want to do
[07:01] <icloud> juiced,  yeah i connected via MTP and my status bar show usb debugging connected.
[07:02] <_-Tom-Tom-_> because the construct itself is ... umm... strange
[07:02] <icloud> juiced, oh well i figure it out tomorrow
[07:02] <icloud> 99
[07:03] <TJ-> abaddon: there are several errors there, but what is the ultimate aim?
[07:03] <juiced> icloud: worst case you can copy the files in question with the root explorer to your /sdcard and copy them through mtp from there. the permissions will not be preserved through going that way.
[07:04] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: XD Well...long story short.... I want a script that list out the dirs of desktop. Then another script to form a proper .lnk file using the variables created with cut1 and cut2 idesktop
[07:04] <abaddon> TJ-: XD Well...long story short.... I want a script that list out the dirs of desktop. Then another script to form a proper .lnk file using the variables created with cut1 and cut2 idesktop
[07:05] <icloud> juiced, yeah but it will be nice to have adb
[07:05] <Kirsty23>  Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://tinyurl.com/ozfvxy3
[07:05] <_-Tom-Tom-_> ok
[07:05] <abaddon> this all is sent to idesktop to createn icons quickly
[07:05] <icloud> juiced, or i can ssh into it
[07:05] <TJ-> abaddon: You mean: "find ~/Desktop -maxdepth 1 -type d"
[07:05] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: TJ- *this is all is sent to idesktop to createn icons quickly
[07:05] <ki7mt> crate an array from the <list then do whatever for each in the array.
[07:06] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @abaddon try to get dirs with find . -type d -maxdepth 1
[07:07] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: TJ- I can then cut up the variable with sed?
[07:08] <TJ-> abaddon: What do you want the final output to look like?
[07:09] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: TJ- un momento
[07:10] <abaddon> !pastebin
[07:10] <TJ-> abaddon: You said ".lnk" files, but do you mean Symbolic links in the file-system, or is '.lnk' some desktop environment file format?
[07:10] <geirha> abaddon: do not use the $[...] syntax in bash
[07:12] <_-Tom-Tom-_> .lnk -> Link file
[07:12] <_-Tom-Tom-_> but looks like windows link file
[07:12] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: TJ- here is the desired output http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355924/ Keep in miond, the file is a byproduct of the script I am making. The script pulls the list of folders in desktop; then it does several if statements to match up to a specific format in the pastebin link
[07:13] <abaddon> TJ-: yeah, the .lnk files are referenced by idesktop which then uses the settings within to draw icons on the desktop
[07:13] <geirha> no, that's not what your script does
[07:13] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @abaddon and what variable you deserve to get through the script
[07:14] <_-Tom-Tom-_> only pcmd
[07:14] <abaddon> geirha: it's not even close to being finished....
[07:14] <TJ-> abaddon: So what output is expected from the dir-list script, I see two lines which need something slightly different on each?
[07:15] <fancyfetus> hey guys, I'm on my beloved ubuntu now
[07:15] <fancyfetus> 13.04
[07:15] <fancyfetus> But I can't seem to update to 13.10....
[07:15] <guite> fancyfetus: update to 14.04 :p
[07:16] <fancyfetus> guite, I can't seem to update to anything...
[07:16] <fancyfetus> sudo apt-get update returns a whole lot of errors
[07:16] <fancyfetus> and the software updater can't find a thing!
[07:16] <abaddon> TJ-: When I get to the if then parts of the script it'll choose between some settings to flesh out the icon.link file. The script needs to pull the name and icon extension to set particuler parameters to the icon.lnk file
[07:16] <guite> oh… “sudo do-release-upgrade” doesn’t work ?
[07:16] <_-Tom-Tom-_> !pasteinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355942/
[07:17] <geirha> abaddon: the directories have extensions?
[07:17] <fancyfetus> guite, it returns a ton of errors
[07:17] <guite> fancyfetus: oh ok, hmmmm… you should pastebin your errors and see if someone can help
[07:17] <rtwk> irc.freenode.net
[07:17] <abaddon> so I need the name say [desura] and then its extension say [.desktop] to be split into two variables
[07:17] <_-Tom-Tom-_> !pastebint http://paste.ubuntu.com/8355942/
[07:17] <guite> !paste | fancyfetus
[07:17] <geirha> _-Tom-Tom-_: Several bad practices in there
[07:17] <_-Tom-Tom-_> hmm
[07:18] <abaddon> geirha: I phrased poorly, it'll be the files within the Desktop dir more specifically
[07:19] <fancyfetus> guite, I will as soon as the command is finished
[07:19] <fancyfetus> oh... it seemed as if it workd
[07:20] <fancyfetus> 7 installed packages are no longer supported by Canonical.
[07:20] <fancyfetus> etc etc
[07:20] <guite> who is admin here ?
[07:20] <geirha> abaddon: and you want to add .lnk at the end of each filename?
[07:22] <abaddon> geirha: _-Tom-Tom-_ TJ- So the intent of the script is to go through, list out the files in the Desktop dir then split the names up into two variables which would then be passed down to an if then statement to select some predefined setting which will then get writtent to a icon.lnk file which manages the settings for desktop icons and it's launches of programs.
[07:23] <abaddon> geirha: in the end yes, it'll be like: steam.lnk ; ristretto.lnk ; spacefm.lnk; etc. All of which will have settings for drawing those icons to the desktop.
[07:24] <geirha> abaddon: so like this?  for file in ~/Desktop/*; do printf '<%s> -> <%s>\n' "$file" "${file%.*}.lnk"; done
[07:26] <TJ-> abaddon: something like: "find ~/Desktop -maxdepth 1 -type f | sed -n 's,^.*/\(.*\)\(\..*\)$,\1 \2 , p'  "
[07:27] <abaddon> geirha: mmmmmm, Well, that just seems to copy the file name and set's it to a .lnk extension. It's partially there but the name isn't important really. It could be icon1.lnk icon2.lnk, etc. The important part is the settings within the .lnk file. Ie, it's exacute parameters, it's official name when on the desktop, it's height, width, and xy positioning.
[07:27] <elewis> !social
[07:28] <_-Tom-Tom-_> abaddon so make your own for loop
[07:28] <_-Tom-Tom-_> now you have the variable $file you can use
[07:29] <_-Tom-Tom-_> echo -e "xyz \nabc \ndef" and so on
[07:30] <abaddon> TJ-: XD So, I must admit something to you all...  I can't really tell what your script is doing per-say.... I was trying to make a for loop or rather a while loop because the script had to read each line in the lists.txt file and split the names up to its variables.
[07:30] <mugenzebra> hi all, I connect my wireless mouse and it does not respond, I did lsusb before and after plugin the bluetooth adapter, and I saw no device removed, I am gussing the bluetooth adapter is dead, is that right?
[07:31] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @abaddon: Where do you get your variables from?
[07:31] <elewis> Hello
[07:31] <geirha> abaddon: I recommend reading http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide for learning bash
[07:31] <TJ-> abaddon: It writes out "name ext" of each regular file in ~/Desktop/
[07:31] <_-Tom-Tom-_> like caption width and so on
[07:31] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: Basically, the loop was going to set those variables then send it to the evential if then part of the script which would build the icon.lnk file.
[07:32] <_-Tom-Tom-_> so you have always same width height x1 and y1
[07:33] <abaddon> TJ-: I thought so, XD OK, while yes the name i important to a degree it's the setting that'll be the most important.
[07:33] <_-Tom-Tom-_> caption command and pix is derived from filename?
[07:33] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: Nope, those will be derived differently, XD
[07:34] <abaddon> I gave you part of the script that was/is going to be in the if then section. Byut the settings are present in that example
[07:35] <indn1234> I installed Ubuntu, then win8 dual boot, restored grub. Now I want to format and delete my windows partition - will it delete/modify the GRUB?
[07:35] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: sorry, so many ppl talking to me. XD The variabl;es will be dervied from the if then statyements i'll be putting in
[07:37] <Bobbo> indn1234: um; it shouldn't do. =/
[07:38] <apinsv>  indn1234: If you reload Win8 then it will
[07:38] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: What I want to do right at the moment is get the extension and name seperated into two seperate variables. The name will be associated with the Caption part of the settings file. The extension will determin the Command to be used in the file.
[07:39] <indn1234> Bobbo: apinsv : okay guys, so where is my GRUB installed at the moment?
[07:39] <juiced> indn1234: no it won't but you'll want to update the grub menu with your working distro.
[07:40] <indn1234> juiced: why would I want to update GRUB? It already has the entry for Ubuntu!
[07:40] <juiced> to get rid of the now-gone windows entry on it
[07:40] <hillary> I get this error every time "System program problem detected" i have press the report button but no help. ubuntu 12.04
[07:42] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: So say i've got book.pdf as a file in my Desktop dir. The script will split the name into book and .pdf. Then book will be associated with the Caption setting while .pdf will determin the command to be used to exec that fil. The rest of the settings get pumped out to say book.lnk which will be stored in ~/.idesktop/ where in idesktop[which draws the icons] will reference the settings within
[07:42] <abaddon> book.lnk
[07:44] <energizer> I'm trying to get netflix to work as here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/netflix-linux-html5-support-plugins
[07:44] <_-Tom-Tom-_> fullname: f="${variable##*/}"
[07:44] <energizer> but when I try to install the packages it recommends, i get errors
[07:45] <_-Tom-Tom-_> extension: e="${variable##*.}"
[07:45] <apinsv> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:45] <energizer> dpkg gives this errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8356094/
[07:47] <Matsy> Hey everyone! For some reason, my 14.04 installation has disabled SSH access. The service itself is running, but I am not able to connect to it, not even locally. Any ideas? All I get is 'connection refused'
[07:47] <apinsv> enable port 22 in ufw
[07:47] <Matsy> UFW is not even enabled
[07:47] <geirha> abaddon: why not use the default command for each type of file? e.g. by using xdg-open as the command to open all
[07:48] <Matsy> 'service ufw status -> ufw stop/waiting'
[07:48] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: geirha I'm not following?
[07:48] <apinsv> try enabling it and allow ssh
[07:49] <geirha> abaddon:  ''xdg-open file.pdf''    # will open the pdf file with the default program for pdf files. As if you double clicked it
[07:49] <Matsy> apinsv: No results. Still no access.
[07:49] <apinsv> check sudo gedit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[07:49] <Matsy> Enabled SSH globally using 'ufw allow ssh'
[07:50] <Matsy> Did that, it's listening on port 22
[07:50] <apinsv> Matsy:change PermitRootLogin no into PermitRootLogin yes. Finally restart ssh service.
[07:52] <abaddon> _-Tom-Tom-_: mmmmmm, That could work.... it'd save me from having to split it. I'd then only need to pull it's respective name. Whih would save me a sed command,lol
[07:52] <abaddon> XD
[07:52] <Matsy> apinsv: Still connection refused
[07:52] <_-Tom-Tom-_> yes
[07:53] <apinsv> Matsy:sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[07:53] <Matsy> apinsv: Same thing
[07:53] <juiced> Matsy: maybe change the port its listening on to 2222 and check again.
[07:53] <juiced> Matsy: to rule out the port 22
[07:54] <nishi> how to install free gate
[07:54] <abaddon> geirha: See, this script is intended to save me "time"[i haven't saved any with my poor script writing] in creating seperate icons for my desktop. It's intended to automate much of the work through a generic script that does most of the heavy lifting.
[07:54] <Matsy> juiced: Did that. Still connection refused
[07:54] <Matsy> I am assuming it is something in the config file
[07:54] <Matsy> But I don't know what
[07:54] <apinsv> Matsy: Are you using it in a virtual box'
[07:55] <Matsy> apinsv: The machine is installed on a large vSphere cluster
[07:55] <Matsy> So, a dedicated VM for this Ubuntu box
[07:55] <juiced> Matsy: also check what address it's listening on. if you alter the listening address it becomes a whitelist of only those addresses.
[07:55] <Matsy> juiced, <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:55] <apinsv> Matsy: Promiscuous mode: Allow VMs
[07:55] <abaddon> geirha: So using xdg could deff help...I'll try that. It's just xdg-command blah.mp3; correct?
[07:55] <Matsy> apinsv: The strange thing is: it used to work before
[07:56] <Matsy> apinsv: It just randomly stopped working
[07:56] <geirha> abaddon: xdg-open blah.mp3
[07:56] <apinsv> Matsy: Any changes in network settings
[07:56] <juiced> Matsy: can you establish any other connection to the localhost, such as telnet?
[07:56] <Matsy> juiced, Yeah
[07:57] <Matsy> There's a few services running on there, including some weird XML-service. I can access that freely.
[07:57] <Matsy> apinsv: No, not at all
[07:57] <abaddon> geirha: Oh, sorry XD I don't suppose you know where the xdg settings are located? I'm not sure if my system opens all files the way I want them to be opened..
[07:57] <Matsy> ... Why didn't I think of this
[07:57] <Matsy> I just reinstalled SSH
[07:57] <Matsy> And all is working fine
[07:57] <juiced> Matsy: if it were me, i'd purge and reinstall.
[07:58] <Matsy> Yeah, I just did that
[07:58] <juiced> matsy: snap :)
[07:58] <Matsy> apt-get remove -- purge openssh-server && apt-get install openssh-server
[07:58] <Matsy> 2 second resolutioin
[07:58] <Matsy> *resolution
[07:58] <juiced> Matsy: so did you change the config file at all before it broke?
[07:58] <Matsy> juiced, No, I never mess with it
[07:58] <geirha> abaddon: then changing the default application for opening the given file-type may be an idea. You only have to do it once for each type
[07:58] <Matsy> It seems pretty great out of the box
[08:00] <juiced> Matsy: weird. yeah, but you may want to change hte listening interface to just localhost & your lan address, for instance. to block outside connections.
[08:00] <geirha> abaddon: just right-click a file, select "Properties", go to "Open with" tab, change the default application for that file type.
[08:00] <Matsy> juiced: I do need external access, though
[08:00] <geirha> abaddon: after that, xdg-open will use that application for those types of files
[08:01] <Matsy> Every VM has its own public IP address for that reason
[08:02] <abaddon> geirha: yeah...It'd be faster if there were a settings file I could edit,lol. There are waaaaay too many file types for me to want to rclick 'em all and change their settings.
[08:02] <abaddon> geirha: I'll live if not...but...it'd nice
[08:02] <nishi> how to install free gate
[08:03] <juiced> Matsy: fair enough. i know when i was doing some research i saw a lot of port scans and brute force attempts on my ssh server. no doubt you see the same in your logs.
[08:03] <Matsy> Yeah, a lot of them indeed
[08:03] <Matsy> But after 5 failed attempts, they're blocked out for an hour
[08:03] <geirha> abaddon: ~/.local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[08:03] <Matsy> Most of the clients that work on this machine have SSH keys anyway
[08:04] <TJ-> abaddon: "while read F; do BN=${F##*/}; N=${BN%%.*}; E=${BN##*.}; MT=$(file -b --mime-type "$F") XO=$(xdg-mime query default $MT); echo -e "$N $E $MT $XO"; done < <(find ~/Desktop -maxdepth 1 -type f) "
[08:04] <geirha> abaddon: which overrides the global one: /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[08:04] <apinsv> nishi: you will need to install wine to install free gate
[08:05] <viktor89> Hi everyone. I was really hoping somebody could help me figure out what I am doing wrong here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/524599/kernel-initd-boot-settings . I feel i am so close to having the dual boot working, but still far :(
[08:05] <geirha> TJ-: I recommend not using uppercase variable names
[08:05] <TJ-> geirha: recommend away; everyone has their own style
[08:06] <beeny89> hi people
[08:06] <geirha> TJ-: Environment variables and special shell variables are uppercase. By using uppercase variable names, you risk overriding those by accident. So it's not a matter of style.
[08:06] <abaddon> geirha: TJ- Thanks you two, this'll help =]
[08:06] <TJ-> geirha: I recommend always using upper case for variable names in shell code examples, so they stand out and can be easily parsed by novices
[08:07] <geirha> TJ-: Well, that's the opposite of what we advice in #bash
[08:07] <beeny89> hi i am new to ubuntu and I'm presented beeny89
[08:08] <TJ-> geirha: That's your prerogative
[08:08] <juiced> viktor89: are you sure that's the right kernel name? that's pretty old.
[08:08] <viktor89> no, I am fairly sure it's the wrong
[08:08] <viktor89> I just don't know what the right one for ubuntu 14.04 is :/
[08:09] <TJ-> viktor89: GRUB is being told to set its 'root' file-system based on finding a particular file; if that file no longer exists, then it won't set its root
[08:10] <viktor89> TJ- yes, that's how far I've gotten in my search for a solution. Just need to konw what I should set kernel at.
[08:10] <beeny89> someone speaks Spanish ??
[08:10] <juiced> viktor89: you'd be better off letting OS prober do its thing. can you use a live USB to recreate the grub.cfg
[08:10] <DJones> !es | beeny89
[08:11] <viktor89> it's a completely fresh installation
[08:11] <beeny89> gracias
[08:11] <viktor89> I haven't touched the grub.cfg
[08:12] <juiced> viktor89: i have initrd.img-3.13.0-35-generic, but the install media wouldn't have come with it
[08:12] <Ben64> on 14.04, how do i make the software updater act more like 12.04? it's quite annoying now, popping up a window occasionally telling me to reboot.
[08:13] <viktor89> juiced I think the current ubuntu14.04 comes with vmlinuz3.14.4, doesn't it?
[08:13] <juiced> viktor89: i think the install media comes with 3.13.0-32 with the 14.04.1 releaqse
[08:13] <abaddon> geirha: TJ- You guys wont believe it... but I somehow fixed the script. o.o
[08:13] <viktor89> juiced: I'll try setting that
[08:13] <abaddon> !pastebin
[08:14] <abaddon> geirha: TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/8356257/ I don't know what I did diff here....
[08:15] <viktor89> juiced maybe I should try to reinstall ubuntu. I think the issue is because I selected the wrong bootloader location upon installing ubuntu
[08:16] <viktor89> should I set bootloader location to the same drive as windows7 is installed?
[08:16] <juiced> viktor89: what you may need to do is load up a live USB and mount sda2 to find which file it is. you could also chroot into it and then grub-mkconfig
[08:16] <juiced> viktor89: might be the easiest way, if it's a fresh install.
[08:16] <viktor89> I haven't been able to boot into it so it is pretty clean
[08:17] <viktor89> but could the issue be caused from a wrong bootloader location on installation?
[08:17] <viktor89> I selected bootloader location to be the same as where I installed ubuntu
[08:17] <viktor89> (my 2nd harddrive)
[08:17] <eeee> viktor89: then you have to set your bios to boot the second hdd
[08:17] <viktor89> but I still want windows
[08:18] <juiced> viktor89: does the windows boot since changing the bootloader?
[08:18] <eeee> viktor89: then boot it, and grub-install on the 1st hdd
[08:18] <viktor89> yes, windows works fine
[08:18] <eeee> ( i think that'd work )
[08:19] <viktor89> will grub install on my 1st hdd still allow windows booting?
[08:19] <juiced> eeee: he can't boot though. thats why i suggested a chroot into the install to run the reconfig
[08:19] <eeee> viktor89: i think grub should pick up windows, juiced can't he select it to boot from the bios?
[08:20] <viktor89> I think I can boot into it via bios. The whole problem probably is that I have grub installed on the 2nd hdd and not the main hdd
[08:20] <juiced> eeee: he's got a working grub (even though it's on the 2nd hdd)
[08:20] <juiced> viktor89: the problem is something overwrote the correct entry for ubuntu when you were fixing it
[08:20] <viktor89> there never was a correct entry I think
[08:21] <viktor89> I used easybcd within windows to try and get a boot selection screen
[08:22] <viktor89> I will remove neogrub from windows
[08:22] <minimec> viktor89: I would indeed switch the boot harddisk in the BIOS.  You have probably two 'working' master boot sectors, one for windows only on the first harddrive, and one on the second harddrive with dual boot win/ubuntu
[08:23] <viktor89> yes
[08:23] <viktor89> is it correct that I should have selected my windows hdd for bootloader location when I installed ubuntu?
[08:23] <eeee> ^^^ if windows is there, then all you'd have to do is keep the second hdd selected as the boot device
[08:23] <viktor89> I selected the 2nd hdd
[08:23] <juiced> viktor89: all you need is grub-mkconfig to rebuild the menu correctly. whether you chroot into your sda2 or reinstall from scratch
[08:24] <viktor89> how would i chroot?
[08:24] <eeee> viktor89: what you effectively did is make a standalone installation + bootloader on the second hdd,
[08:24] <viktor89> yes, eeee
[08:24] <eeee> viktor89: so it depends if you want a "portable" installation, then you did the correct thing
[08:24] <viktor89> that's what I thought would work
[08:24] <TJ-> viktor89: You're currently editing GRUB's grub.cfg from Windows, is that correct?
[08:24] <workerbeetwo> How to change the default gateway savely without cutting oneself off this ssh connection?
[08:24] <viktor89> Im not sure. I am using easyBCD to correct the boot screen from within windows
[08:25] <viktor89> I don't know what that does
[08:25] <eeee> viktor89: i think it's the best, since if you remove the second hdd, you will still have windows, and if it's there you'll have both
[08:25] <viktor89> exactly what I wanted
[08:27] <Horsemeds> can someone help me with a wifi problem on ubuntu 14.04?
[08:27] <bcvery1> !ask | Horsemeds
[08:29] <Horsemeds> After installing Ubuntu 14.04 on a laptop no wifi connections were detected. After suspending then waking the system wifi networks became visible and I was able to connect. On subsequent suspensions the connection stops and restarts again after waking. For now I simply prevent subsequent suspends with power options and the connection, once established, stays stable.
[08:30] <juiced> viktor89: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing - ctrl-F, sorry the subsection doesn't link
[08:30] <viktor89> well, now ubuntu booted, after I prioritized it over hdd1 in bios
[08:30] <viktor89> so it's not that the hdd cannot boot into ubuntu. I just can't select the option on startup
[08:31] <juiced> viktor89: congrats, i did wonder if your computer was only looking at the 1st disk bootloader
[08:32] <viktor89> I guess that it was. I have to walk my dog quickly. Will return after :D
[08:39] <hackeron> I have a strange problem where memory is leaking but not showing up in top/ps/ps_mem/slabtop/etc - any ideas at all how to figure out where it is going? < http://superuser.com/questions/793192/what-is-using-up-all-my-memory-ubuntu-14-04-lts-server/795352
[08:42] <geirha> hackeron: How do you determine it is leaking?
[08:46] <hackeron> geirha: 1771MB of ram is used up (not by buffers/caches) after killing every single process imaginable - did you look at the superuser link?
[08:50] <Matsy> hackeron, Why is the apt-get process still running
[08:51] <hackeron> Matsy: I was just updating the kernel at the time to see if that helps, but same exact result with the latest kernel
[08:51] <BQ> does apt-get provide option for alternative installation location?
[08:53] <fabrizio_> i need help:
[08:53] <bcvery1> !ask | fabrizio_
[08:54] <fabrizio_> how install olivetti 200 key?
[08:54] <fabrizio_> on ubuntu studio?
[08:55] <juiced> hackeron: perhaps the kernel has somehow lost track of a large quantity of memory allocation through a bug. did you reboot when you install the new kernel?
[08:56] <fabrizio_> how install the internet key "olivetti 200" on ubuntu studio?
[08:56] <BQ> what is difference between ubuntu cloud, server and desktop?
[08:58] <fabrizio_> some body can help me? i need to install olivetti 200 internet key on ubuntu studio
[09:00] <hackeron> juiced: yes, of course - currently running 3.13.0-36-generic #63-Ubuntu and rebooted 5 days ago - it's leaked most of the memory already but not completely out yet
[09:01] <juiced> hackeron: sweet, was just trying to determine if this persists across reboots.
[09:06] <Sycrido> Hi, I've created a usb repository, but how do I add packages to it?
[09:10] <bajin-lee> hi,i wonder that how to use ubuntu to setup a wifi for andriod?
[09:11] <juiced> hackeron: very odd, and quite intriguing. maybe dmesg has clues in it regarding memory allocation problems.
[09:12] <k1l> bajin-lee: you mean tether internet?
[09:12] <hackeron> juiced: this is the output: http://pastie.org/9558255 -- can't seem to see anything, hmmmm
[09:12] <hackeron> juiced: and yeh, if I could see what is using the memory, then I could report a more meaningful bug, but the memory just disapepars somewhere without a trace without any way of recovering it without a reboot :/
[09:13] <bajin-lee> k1l,is it possible that setup a wifi hotspot for my andriod pad to use?
[09:13] <k1l> bajin-lee: you are connected with ethernet?
[09:13] <bajin-lee> yeah
[09:14] <minimec> bajin-lee: http://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
[09:15] <bajin-lee> k1l,i had connect my pc with ethernet by dsl
[09:15] <bajin-lee> minimec,thanks!
[09:15] <k1l> bajin-lee: the networkmanager can do that
[09:16] <eleves> hi
[09:19] <Vladimir> What kind of encryption does scp have?
[09:20] <k1l> Vladimir: http://superuser.com/questions/319833/how-is-ssh-scp-rsync-encrypted
[09:21] <Vladimir> k1l: it says that everything is encrypted, and others can't even se that there even is a transfer, I don't understand that since there is an encrypted traffic
[09:22] <bajin-lee> k1l,thanks.but how to open hte networkmanager
[09:22] <k1l> Vladimir: i dont understand your problem at all? it uses the same encryption as ssh
[09:23] <bajin-lee> minimec,it seems not like wifi hotspot
[09:24] <Caramoan> how to openGL in ubuntu 14.04
[09:25] <waterloo2005> Can I install the latest python 3.4.1 in ubuntu 12.04 manually ?
[09:26] <minimec> bajin-lee: http://askubuntu.com/questions/60980/how-to-share-a-wired-internet-connection-via-wifi
[09:35] <berta2020> Hola
[09:35] <berta2020> tengo un problemilla
[09:35] <berta2020> tengo Ubuntu instalado en todo el disco, pero quiero hacer esa particion mas pequeña para poder instalar otra sistema operativa al lado
[09:36] <BQ> does linux have a notion of system/data separation? like readonly system partition and user data partition?
[09:36] <berta2020> al intentar utilizar gparted no me deja porque el disco deberia ser desmontado pero al ser la particion de ubuntu no puedo
[09:36] <k1l> !es | berta2020
[09:37] <k1l> BQ: you can make a seperate partition for the user data stuff, which is the /home folder
[09:38] <BQ> k11: how about system and third party apps?
[09:39] <BQ> k11: can they separate?
[09:40] <minimec> BQ: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/09/linux-file-system-structure/
[09:41] <BQ> what I want is a relatively stable system partition which can be replaced easily without affect third party apps and user data installed.
[09:42] <k1l> BQ: no. since 3rd party apps need to interact with the system that is not an easy task
[09:43] <k1l> you could install them into /opt but in most cases they still need to interact or have depencies
[09:45] <BQ> dependency does not matter much as long as they point to right folder. what interaction are they?
[09:45] <ratzes> Hi, I am going to install ubuntu from a usb stick, and I know that I can install my proprietary wifi driver from there, however, I can't install it from offline in my installed ubuntu. I was wondering if there is a way to make these drivers available in my offline ubuntu install
[09:49] <BQ_> k11: in android there is a clear separation between system and data. note that android is based on linux. so I think for linux it is an issue of tradition, not technical.
[09:50] <M4tt0> Hi experts! Having problems with my boot.log (14.04). The upstart service logs do not appear anymore. The whole boot.log is very short, starting with Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.sbin.rsyslogd, then "Loading the saved-state of the serial devices...", and that is almost it. Want my boot.log back!  :D  Does anybody know how to solve this?
[09:51] <k1l> BQ_: if you want to talk about linux in general please ask in ##linux . we stick to the ubuntu setup in here which is based on the package system with the ubuntu repos
[09:52] <Matsy> .
[09:54] <trisquelex> gnuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[09:54] <BQ_> k11: I also use ubuntu. so in practice you just have one big mixed partition?
[09:56] <k1l> BQ_: like i told: a comon setup is to have a seperate /home partition
[09:56] <minimec> BQ_: No. As stated above, you are free to partition your harddrive or even use multiple drives for one installation. User data is separated in /home. Apps are normally in /usr or /opt. System relevant apps in /sbin...
[09:57] <ratzes> why is it that I can install my wifi drivers from "try ubuntu", but not after I install?
[09:57] <phu> Hi guys does anyone have knowledge over access logs?
[09:58] <touki> Hi guys, I have an ubuntu (on a VM on a Server). I can connect to it via ssh, but it seems the machine is not able to resolve hostnames at all.
[09:59] <touki> Concretely I can't ping or wget anythin
[10:01] <BQ> minimec: how much the system partition should be then? because all apps are going to be installed in system partition, there is no way to predict how much to be used. eventually full disk.
[10:01] <k1l> ratzes: most times its license issues. just get a ethernet cable and install the wifi driver on first time
[10:02] <k1l> BQ: a common desktop is in the 5-15GB range
[10:02] <k1l> BQ: (for the / partition with seperate /home partition)
[10:03] <ratzes> k11: is there a way thats easier than hauling my desktop down to the basement?
[10:03] <touki> In fact the serv can ping an ip but not solve a hostname.
[10:04] <k1l> ratzes: you can grab that needed package and its depencies on packages.ubuntu.com and install the .deb packages on that system then
[10:04] <k1l> ratzes: transport via usb-pendrive etc
[10:05] <minimec> BQ: 15-20GB should be enough for '/', in case you have a seperate partition for /home. My way to install Ubuntu is two partitions. '/' and '/home'. I do not have a /swap anymore. I do either crete a swapfile or use zram swap. So I would have one partition with ~20GB for '/' inkluding a swapfile and the second partition for /home. I agree that system and apps are 'mixed' in '/', but I do not see a problem with that.
[10:05] <BQ> k11: 15GB is too small I think. I guess apt-get install will quickly put the / partition in full.
[10:05] <ratzes> k11: ok, this seems really crazy, but I appreciate the help
[10:06] <k1l> BQ: i have a full desktop (with a lot of latex stuff etc) on here with 10GB /. but you can make it 50GB if you like.
[10:07] <CodeGos6> i have intel integrated gpu and nvidia gpu, i do have proprietry drivers installed for both, when im on nvidia gpu  everything works fine, however  when i try to use intel gpu ( make integrated gpu primary in bios and plug monitor to it ) it will boot to black screen,i am only able to boot in safe graphics mode, can someone help me please
[10:09] <minimec> CodeGos6: THe problem is, that you need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the nvidia restricted driver. So when you switch to intel, the system cannot 'understand' /etc/X11/xorg.conf IMHO. you would have to 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg-nvidia.conf
[10:11] <BQ> k11: another question, if I want to install apps into /opt, how do i do with apt-get install?
[10:11] <k1l> BQ: you dont.
[10:11] <CodeGos6> is it generaly fine to just move all files starting with xorg.conf from that directory?
[10:12] <Matsy> minimec, Can't you just use nvidia-xorg to configure the second card?
[10:12] <CodeGos6> i dont have xorg.conf but rather xorg.conf~ and xorg.conf.backup,xorg.conf.failsafe,xorg.conf.nvidia-xconfig-original
[10:12] <k1l> BQ: /opt is for 3rd party stuff that will break your system and is put into /opt to not interfer with the system. things from the ubuntu repos is made to work with the system so no need for that.
[10:12] <minimec> CodeGos6: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the only relevant file
[10:13] <Matsy> CodeGos6, Do you have Optimus?
[10:19] <xcasex> i should make a list of ubuntu native apps for tumblrs or something haha
[10:19] <BQ> minimec: thanks. how much for your swap file?
[10:20] <BQ> minimec: yes i saw the your file system structure link. /opt is for apps from source code.
[10:22] <Monkey_b> noob question but google isn't yielding results, or im asking the wrong question i'm unsure but, with regards to key-based ssh authentication, do i always have to specify what private key to use when connecting in the command itself?
[10:22] <Ben64> Monkey_b: no
[10:22] <minimec> BQ: Depends... If you use a laptop and want to 'hibernate', You need at least 1:1 memory:swap (I would do 1.2 times RAM). For my Desktop system I use a zram config with swap in RAM. I have 16GB RAM on that desktop.
[10:23] <bajin-lee__> hi, how to swift my input ?
[10:23] <Monkey_b> Ben64: no i dont have to specify the private key each time i connect?
[10:23] <bajin-lee__> i have some trouble in chinese input
[10:24] <Ben64> Monkey_b: correct
[10:25] <Monkey_b> so copying the private key to ~./ssh should do the trick?
[10:25] <karab44> hello
[10:25] <Monkey_b> err ~/.ssh/
[10:26] <karab44> is there new set of window animation after last update or do I have fata morgana?
[10:26] <karab44> :D
[10:26] <cfhowlett> kylin | bajin-lee__,
[10:26] <cfhowlett> !kylin | baijin
[10:27] <BQ> minimec: I use a laptop with 8G ram. so swap should be 10G according to what you say.
[10:27] <Monkey_b> got it
[10:27] <Monkey_b> thanks
[10:27] <Monkey_b> just had to ssh-add it
[10:28] <bajin-lee__> thanks, but what i use is ubuntu studio...
[10:29] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, same here... be aware that you can add the US packages to kylin or any other distro.
[10:29] <cfhowlett> ubuntu distro that is
[10:29] <minimec> BQ: If you want to 'hibernate' the system, you would need to have at least 8GB. Now I never hibernate (I only suspend). I do not use a 8GB swap for my 8GB RAM Laptop. I have a 4GB swapfile
[10:30] <bajin-lee__> sorry, but i don't know what you mean
[10:30] <BQ> minimec: but i wonder if you have 16G ram, why you need swap at all?
[10:30] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, you can install ubuntustudio packages to any other ubuntu  distro - so if you prefer to combine kylin + ubuntustudio ...
[10:32] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett, is it possible? how to achieve it?
[10:32] <thecha> hi, make make file configure how does this work
[10:32] <thecha> when i have a tar file what do i do to get to a working isntalled file on ubuntu 12
[10:33] <minimec> BQ: Goo point. As stated I have a virtual swap in RAM on that 16GB RAM desktop. It's like a security mesure, in case that RAM gets full, nothing else. Also it seems, that there are still some apps that are programmed to put some rarely used stuff into swap, even if there is still plenty of RAM available
[10:33] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett, can i add kylin to my studio?
[10:33] <Ben64> thecha: you should not install software via that method unless you know what you're doing
[10:33] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, yes, let me work it out
[10:34] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett, thanks. wait for you.
[10:35] <SP33D> is there any wirred desktop cache?
[10:35] <BQ> minimec: oh ok. do you have any concern for suspend rather than hibernate?
[10:35] <SP33D> i got some files on desktop delete them via console console shows no files
[10:35] <SP33D> but X does show files on desktop and even in PCFMan
[10:36] <SP33D> whats going on there?
[10:36] <thecha> when i have a tar file what do i do to get to a working isntalled file on ubuntu 12
[10:36] <Ben64> thecha: what are you trying to install
[10:36] <thecha> latest version of gnash
[10:36] <BQ> minimec: suspend means power on ?
[10:36] <thecha> you know gnash?
[10:37] <Ben64> !info gnash
[10:37] <Ben64> that gnash? the one in the repositories that  you don't need to mess with a tar?
[10:37] <minimec> BQ: I have always preferred 'suspend' to 'hibernate'. Suspend means 'suspend to RAM'. --> Laptop goes into low power sleep mode.
[10:37] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, you've got an ubuntu base installed.  adding kylin *should* be sudo apt-get install ubuntukylin-desktop but ... no
[10:37] <EiriksUbuntu> yesterday, i turned on the bottom right hotspot for window changer... awesome
[10:38] <thecha> it is an alternative swf player like adobe flash player
[10:38] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, suggest you go to the ubuntukylin page and contact them for support.  It's quite easy, but after 2 years in China .... I don't speak Chinese.
[10:38] <Ben64> thecha: right, so do "sudo apt-get install gnash"
[10:38] <SP33D> Ben
[10:39] <SP33D> he should do update befor
[10:39] <Ben64> SP33D
[10:39] <thecha> and this gets the lates version or the version that was there when ubuntu 12 came out?
[10:39] <SP33D> else that will proball fail because its universe
[10:39] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett,  thanks
[10:39] <Ben64> thecha: it gets the latest version in 12.04
[10:39] <thecha> so not hte overall latest version?
[10:39] <Ben64> !latest | thecha
[10:40] <BQ> minimec: so that is sleep mode which still consumes power.
[10:40] <thecha> ther eis a massive improbvemnt in the gnash
[10:40] <thecha> it was basicalyl only able to play low quality youtube videos
[10:40] <Ben64> thecha: then you're on your own for installing it, but i'd recommend against it
[10:40] <thecha> i think the new one can now play everything
[10:40] <BQ> minimec: which means you don't have long break in use your laptop?
[10:40] <Ben64> thecha: alternatively, use the actual flash player, or the pepper one
[10:40] <minimec> BQ: Exactly.
[10:40] <SP33D> thecha
[10:41] <SP33D> use vlc
[10:41] <thecha> yeah that is what i am doing
[10:41] <thecha> using the adobe
[10:41] <SP33D> vlc can play everything
[10:41] <thecha> but i want to be bale to use the newset
[10:41] <thecha> what harm coudl it do
[10:41] <Ben64> a lot
[10:41] <cfhowlett> bajin-lee__, #ubuntukylin-devel           is the channel
[10:41] <SP33D> it ycould referenz libs that arn't there
[10:42] <thecha> if my machine expldes i just uninstall
[10:42] <thecha> oh
[10:42] <thecha> couldnt i just get the dependencies?
[10:42] <minimec> BQ: Well my Lenovo x230 is not using much power in suspend mode. So I can leave it on suspend over the night and continue the next day. That laptop has a 9cell battery...
[10:42] <bajin-lee__> cfhowlett, thanks
[10:42] <Ben64> thecha: again, you're on your own if you wish to go down that path
[10:43] <thecha> wiat i am nt prepard to go down any pathes
[10:43] <SP33D> lol
[10:43] <Ben64> you can't have it both ways
[10:43] <thecha> i guess
[10:43] <SP33D> i whant to die
[10:44] <Ben64> if you want support from this channel, you use the software from the repositories
[10:44] <SP33D> my arms are hurting because i pumped to much yesterday
[10:44] <SP33D> cant move them right
[10:44] <keevitaja> how to clear preload state?
[10:44] <Ben64> SP33D: thats cool, but not on topic
[10:44] <SP33D> i needed to switch topic else i would think about his pathes not prepared joke
[10:44] <SP33D> :D
[10:45] <Horsemeds> After installing Ubuntu 14.04 on a laptop no wifi connections were detected. After suspending then waking the system wifi networks became visible and I was able to connect. On subsequent suspensions the connection stops and restarts again after waking.  can anyone suggest a fix?
[10:45] <SP33D> i am not prepared ot go down any pathes lol
[10:46] <SP33D> Horsemeds try systemd
[10:46] <SP33D> remove upstart
[10:46] <SP33D> its a fail in any part sof your init system so right time to siwtch
[10:46] <k1l> SP33D: that is not helpfull at all
[10:47] <SP33D> don't you think? if his wifi works after suspend it musst be soemthing that gets evented after suspend but not on boto
[10:47] <SP33D> boot i mean so in any case a change of the init system will help
[10:47] <k1l> Horsemeds: try to reload the module for the wifi card. maybe there was some issue on the inital loading
[10:47] <SP33D> systemd real works much bettter
[10:48] <k1l> SP33D: stop that. there is no working system for 14.04 as of now. so its not helpfull
[10:48] <SP33D> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mw1SheRF
[10:49] <student> hi
[10:49] <Horsemeds> kll and SP33D thanks - im very new to ubuntu so are their instructions on how to do both those things?
[10:49] <SP33D> there isn't? in 14.10 it works out of the box even with a upstart adapter so he can re use most of the upstart stuff
[10:50] <Vladimir> I can't get snmp to work on one of my machines
[10:50] <SP33D> Horsemeds no can't tell you a good way for that because k1l told systemd is not working in 14.04
[10:50] <k1l> SP33D: so you are really trolling a new ubuntu users to use 14.10 and use systemd? stop that.
[10:50] <SP33D> k1l trolling? only because i tell the true thats trolling?
[10:51] <Vladimir> I run snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost IP-MIB::ipAdEntIfIndex on the first one and it gets a timeout: no respone from localhost, and on the other one it works :/
[10:51] <Horsemeds> i think ill give that one a miss :)
[10:51] <Vladimir> I have the same snmp config
[10:51] <SP33D> hmmmm need to think about my world view probally it would be more good to never tell true things and point more to simply stay where they are :D
[10:52]  * cfhowlett thinks "No half-measures".
[10:53] <minimec> Horsemeds: Do you have a Wifi hardware switch. Would see a similar effect using that one instead of 'suspend'?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:55] <Horsemeds> minimec no there is no physicial swith to turn wifi on or off
[10:56] <Horsemeds> *switch
[10:56] <hateball> Horsemeds: you can use the command "rfkill"
[10:57] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. And if you use the software sitch in the panel-wifi-menu. Someting like 'disable wifi'
[10:58] <Horsemeds> minimec they are greyed out when i start up- they are available after waking from suspend
[11:00] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. THX for that indication. So it looks like wifi is set 'off' on boot, and is set to 'on' because of the 'suspend-script' of ubuntu. I would boot the laptop again, and do 'rfkill list' in a terminal afterwards. Can you set wifi state in the BIOS?
[11:01] <Horsemeds> minimec no I cant make changes in bios
[11:02] <Vladimir> I use snmpwalk but nothing happens in the log and also I get Timeout: no response
[11:04] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. let's check yout wifi device. Try 'lspci | grep Network' in a terminal or just 'lspci' if the forst command gives no results. We want to know what wifi chip you are using.
[11:04] <Horsemeds> ok do i post the resluts in here?
[11:05] <Horsemeds> results*
[11:05] <minimec> Horsemeds: use pastebin.org
[11:05] <Horsemeds> ok
[11:06] <jo_> hi everyone - I've a question about fqdn, perhaps anybody here can help me? on an ubuntu virtual host, hostname, hostname -f and resolveip and everything looks fine and correct, the FQDN is in the /et/hosts but outgoing mails are rejected cause of missing FQDN - the server sends another FQDN. Does anybody know where on an ubuntu-system is another place where the FQDN is registered?
[11:08] <Horsemeds> minimec:    http://paste.ubuntu.com/8357134/
[11:09] <minimec> Horsemeds: Was that you? http://askubuntu.com/questions/524167/no-wifi-after-booting-until-suspend
[11:09] <Horsemeds> minimec yes
[11:11] <alexwu> hi i'm new here
[11:11] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. Let's try something... put 'rfkill unblock all' in '/etc/rc.local', right above the 'exit 0' line. then reboot.
[11:12] <Horsemeds> minimec ok brb
[11:12] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @jo_: Edit main.cf from sendmail
[11:14] <jo_> Tom-Tom : thanks for the hint, i'm lokking at that point
[11:22] <cmishra> Anybody play fifa 14 on ubuntu?
[11:22] <Vladimir> is it possible that SELINUX is blocking snmp for me? I haven't touched selinux and only installed and setup snmp on this new machine
[11:23] <ikonia> Vladimir: are you using ubuntu ?
[11:23] <ikonia> or is this for SL ?
[11:25] <Vladimir> ikonia: i use snmpwalk from a ubuntu and the target is an SL
[11:28] <EiriksUbuntu>  is there a video preloader for slow speed connections?
[11:29] <bazhang> EiriksUbuntu, for youtube? or what
[11:30] <jo_> _-Tom-Tom-_: thanks - it worked finde :)
[11:30] <EiriksUbuntu> bazhang for any videos
[11:30] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @jo_: No Prob
[11:30] <Horsemeds> no difference
[11:31] <bazhang> EiriksUbuntu, give an example
[11:32] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. May I ask if that machine is an ASUS computer?
[11:32] <Horsemeds> minimec  yes it is
[11:33] <Horsemeds> ASUS F551CA
[11:34] <EiriksUbuntu> I am taking the LFS101x courses, and others, they have videos as a part of the course
[11:34] <minimec> Horsemeds: Ok. So we can probably configure the driver, as described here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2181558 or here http://askubuntu.com/questions/351594/wireless-disabled-by-hardware-switch-on-an-asus-x550v
[11:34] <minimec> Horsemeds: --> echo "options asus_nb_wmi wapf=0" > /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf
[11:34] <bazhang> EiriksUbuntu, no preloaders, some browsers, such as firefox have video download helper plugins though
[11:34] <minimec> Horsemeds: Others use "options asus_nb_wmi wapf=4"
[11:37] <sar_AA> hi
[11:37] <EiriksUbuntu> bazhang, that's rough... seems like someone would have made something like that so people with bad connections could still be able to see the videos (would be very helpful for many people in the world
[11:37] <sar_AA> I have configured my sshd service (openssh) but If I do /etc/init.d/ssh restart or stop it doesn't work
[11:37] <sar_AA> any ideas why that happens ?
[11:37] <Horsemeds> minimec ok thanks, ill read through that and give it a go
[11:37] <sar_AA> for example if I do /etc/init.d/ssh stop I can still access to the sshd service
[11:39] <_-Tom-Tom-_> @sar --> It used to be sshd ->d<- daemon
[11:39] <bazhang> sar_AA, for debian?
[11:41] <Horsemeds> minimec btw should i leave the changes in rc.local?
[11:41] <sar_AA> both, ubuntu and debian bazhang
[11:42] <minimec> Horsemeds: No. You can remove that line in /etc/rc.local again.
[11:43] <Horsemeds> nminimec ok thanks
[11:43] <Horsemeds> -n
[11:50] <legion> good morning all
[11:50] <RobertPrakigam> Good morning Legion
[11:51] <lokke> hello world, i damaged my graphic drivers and need to install a standard one - can anyone tell me how to do this?
[11:51] <Night_Fury> how did you damage your driver?
[11:51] <lokke> i am online via irssi and have just the terminal to work on ;)
[11:53] <Night_Fury> lets try this again
[11:53] <Night_Fury> HOW did you damage  your driver?
[11:54] <lokke> i installed the "radeonhd" for my HD4890 but this is not sopprted anymore
[11:54] <zulgaban> i think he meant corrupted driver
[11:54] <Night_Fury> yea
[11:54] <Night_Fury> i caught that
[11:54] <Night_Fury> a
[11:54] <lokke> then i tryed to use the up to date open source one but this would not work fine on my displays
[11:54] <Night_Fury> can you not go back and use your open source driver?
[11:54] <Night_Fury> that ususally works for me
[11:55] <lokke> after setting up the size and res on my TV and 2 20" displayl i got 2 black screens and one terminal =D
[11:55] <Night_Fury> >ive done what he did before,..and i learned not to screw with things if its working<
[11:56] <Night_Fury> make sure you ahve the RES set right first off,...if its higher than what the display will show, odd things can ahppen
[11:56] <Night_Fury> happen
[11:56] <Night_Fury> try a default of 1024x768 first off
[11:56] <Night_Fury> IF you can get to it
[11:57] <lokke> Night_Fury: do you can tell me how i can fall back to a standart configuration?
[11:57] <Night_Fury> other than that, someone else will need to field this
[11:57] <Night_Fury> from the update app,...if you can see in on your display,...jsut grab the opensource drivers,...
[11:58] <Night_Fury> and prey
[11:58] <Night_Fury> i do have a command line fix but i dont have it here with me
[11:58] <Night_Fury> good luck
[11:59] <RobertPrakigam>
[12:00] <tping> Morning.
[12:00] <diverdude> how to do openconnect inside ssh?
[12:02] <diverdude> aha, -b :)
[12:03] <irina_povolotska> #openstack-cinder
[12:03] <dau> hi, I have downloaded the ~500mb ubuntu server 14.04.1 iso, put it on an usb stick, booted with it but for some reason, I cannot do an offline installation. The installation wizard demands a repository mirror. Why is that?
[12:04] <Night_Fury> updates?,..do you have it turned on?
[12:04] <dau> I did not intentionally turn on anything. I just follow the setup instructions like determining the keyboard layout, setting locales and so on.
[12:05] <diverdude> ok i did sudo su, and when i do exit it just says "there are stopped jobs" what does that mean? How do i get out?
[12:05] <dau> and it guides me right to the repository configuration and doesn't let me go past it and does not seem to attempt taking anything from the usb stick
[12:05] <Night_Fury> im not sure of server side install but i have installed 14.04 without a connect.  I would think maybe your asking for updates during install.
[12:06] <Night_Fury> just double check
[12:06] <Night_Fury> seems legit
[12:06] <dau> there is no such option
[12:06] <Night_Fury> what,...to download updates?,...in the standard desktop there is
[12:07] <Night_Fury> ive never done server
[12:07] <dau> me neither. and yes, the previous non-server installation worked fine
[12:08] <Night_Fury> dunno,.....
[12:08] <Lokke> hah! removed the package "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" and installed it again - now i have 1 display that works fine
[12:09] <Night_Fury> WOOHOO!!!!
[12:09] <Night_Fury> your using the open source?
[12:09] <Lokke> yes at the moment
[12:09] <Night_Fury> Ive never got the pther drivers to work for me
[12:09] <Night_Fury> sorry
[12:09] <Night_Fury> ive never got the other drivers to work for me
[12:10] <Night_Fury> I find the opensource to work just fine
[12:11] <Lokke> yes i get strange graphics if i try to use drivers made by other communitys =(
[12:13] <Night_Fury> so far, ive have not been able to use any of the propiatory drivers,....
[12:14] <Night_Fury> Ive got one machine that i try things on,...i spend more time reloading it than actually using it only because of the propriatory stuff
[12:14] <Night_Fury> I stay with opensource
[12:14] <Night_Fury> Opensource works
[12:14] <Night_Fury> :)
[12:17] <Horsemeds> minimec I tried your command however I didnt have permssion so i did it after sudo su - I also tried: echo "options asus_nb_wmi wapf=0" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf   no luck with either
[12:18] <Horsemeds> minimec I have tried backports before but it asks for configurtion and I couldnt find a clear enough explanation oh how to configure it
[12:19] <Horsemeds> oh = on
[12:20] <minimec> Horsemeds: What about 'wapf=1' or 'wapf=4' instead of 'wapf=0', as explained here? http://askubuntu.com/questions/351594/wireless-disabled-by-hardware-switch-on-an-asus-x550v
[12:20] <Horsemeds> ok ill try those
[12:21] <Lokke> hmm.. i have a asus m5a78l-3 usb3 with a AMD 760G GPU onBoard - wich driver should i use for displays connected on this ports?
[12:27] <sydney> What is the configuration folder i need to delete to set lubuntu back to normal?
[12:29] <geirha> sydney: back to normal from what?
[12:29] <sydney> is it openbox?
[12:30] <wffwewef> Hi, anyhow know how I can restart network-manager from a cron job? I'm getting "network-manager: unrecognized service", but it runs fine out of the cron
[12:30] <sydney> I messed it up,and i know by deleting the .config file in the /home directory,i will fix it,but i dont know what one is the right one :-/
[12:30] <fProgrammer> wffwewef: Are you restarting using service command in ubuntu
[12:30] <fProgrammer> ?
[12:31] <fProgrammer> `service network-manager restart` ?
[12:31] <wffwewef> fProgrammer: /usr/sbin/service network-manager restart
[12:31] <geirha> wffwewef: probably missing stop and start commands from PATH (they're in /sbin)
[12:32] <geirha> so   PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin; service network-manager restart
[12:32] <sydney> oh well be back later ;)
[12:34] <wffwewef> geirha: Awesome, thanks :)
[12:36] <wangzp> 俺是新手
[12:36] <eric> I'm looking for a good, inexpensive, light weight laptop/notebook/netbook for Ubunut 12.04.  Any recommendations?
[12:36] <cfhowlett> !cn | wangzp
[12:36] <geirha> wffwewef: It's probably the most common problem you hit with cron; that it hardly sets any environment variables, and PATH is just /usr/bin:/bin. http://askubuntu.com/q/23009/9016
[12:37]  * cfhowlett thinks the !cn factoid should include an #ubuntukylin recommendation
[12:37] <mrvik> Hi everyone I am running ubuntu 14.04 on a dell laptop with 4 GB rab and hybrid graphics card AMD and intel but my system keeps on freezing i suppose it has to do with graphics card but have tried everything after searching can anyone please help troubleshoot?
 which video?  WHat does it say when you do "lspci|grep VGA"
[12:39] <bstarek> hello all
[12:40] <mrvik> eric: it says " Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)"
  I haven't seen that one. Let me do a couple quick checks, though.
[12:42] <mrvik> eric: but I have a radeon graphics card as well why doesn't it show up on that command?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> mrvik, try sudo lshw -C video
I'm not sure. I see reports of freezing with the haswell video GPU.
, are you using the xserver-xorg-video-intel package?
[12:46] <Horsemeds> minimec thanks very much for your help!!!  wapf=1  worked!!
[12:47] <mrvik> BluesKaj: eric, sudo lshw -c video gives this https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6516027  I can see my amd graphics here
[12:47] <mrvik> eric: I dont know about xserver-xorg-video-intel how do I check whether am using it or not?
[12:47] <minimec> Horsemeds: Cool. Maybe add your solution to your Ask-Ubuntu post or mark it as 'duplicate' and link to the solution thread...
[12:47] <zubairahmed> mrvik, I dont know if this helps https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[12:48] <Horsemeds> minimec yeah i will - cheers!
 perhaps easiest way is to just apt-get insall xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:50] <eric> if you have the latest, it will tell you, otherwise it will install.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> mrvik, to show drivers in use, lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D'
[12:50] <mrvik> eric: and yes am running on a 'nomodeset' after updating the grub as it always gave a 'System is running on a low graphics mode" so I updated the grub after reading some answers here
[12:52] <mrvik> BluesKaj: eric , when I run "xrandr --listproviders" I get "Providers: number : 0"
[12:53] <BluesKaj> mrvik, looks to me like your system using the default vesa driver for minimal graphics
[12:53] <mrvik> BluesKaj: "lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' shows https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6516150
[12:54] <cfhowlett> mrvik, the intel linux drivers solved quite a few graphics problems.  suggest you get some.
[12:55] <mrvik> cfhowlett: How do I get them? and do they work for hybrid graphics?
[12:55] <puma> HI
[12:56] <BluesKaj> mrvik, cfhowlett makes a good point , but hybrid graphics with intel and amd presents a real challenge in linux
[12:56] <cfhowlett> mrvik, I don't know anything about hybrid.  https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[12:56] <mrvik> BluesKaj: when I go to "Additonal drivers" I can see two proprietory drivers 'fglrx' and 'fglrx-updates' but when I select any one of them and reboot my system freezes after boot and does not show icons or pointer so I have to go to command mode and purge fglrs*
[12:58] <mrvik> BluesKaj: I know I have been battling this problem since last month earlier in my old laptop I dint have a dedicated graphics card and it worked like a charm seems graphics card is not a good thing to have for ubuntu, is there a way to use just my intel card and not the amd one as if it was not present at all?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> mrvik, I believe the reason or the freeze is the default lower power gpu is the intel and higher load/power gpu is the radeon, hence when you boot the system your low power graphics isn't available and the system freezes
[12:59] <BluesKaj> as cfhowlett suggested install the intel gpu driver
[13:00] <mrvik> BluesKaj: that makes sense, so is there a way to make make my intel card as default for both or radeon one default for both low and high?
[13:01] <BluesKaj> mrvik, good question, I'm not sure ...the only thing to do is experiment IMO
[13:01] <BluesKaj> unless someone else has insight into this setup
[13:03] <mrvik> BluesKaj: is it completely not possible to remove my amd graphics card or do some setting so it acts as if it is not there am really very annoyed by this and I really dont need this dedicated graphics card
[13:04] <cfhowlett> mrvik, I would guess there's a way to disable a particular card in the boot options, but IDK how.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> mrvik, check your bios/uefi to see whether there's an option to use one gpu or the other exclusively
[13:05] <mrvik> cfhowlett: BluesKaj , what do you think disabling my dedicated card would solve the problem or not? Since in my old laptop with no dedicated graphics it worked very well
[13:07] <BluesKaj> mrvik, I reckon the higher power gpu wopuld be the way to go altho your battery life will probly suffer otherwise using a less capable gpu that saves power will restrict your graphics options
[13:07] <cfhowlett> mrvik, all I've heard is that AMD support is extremely uncertain in linux, especially compared to nvidia.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, especiially with hybrid graphics , at least there's bumblebee for intel/nvidia
[13:09] <mrvik> BluesKaj: you mean to disable the intel one and use amd?
[13:11] <stef1a> i accidentally ctrl + Z'ed a process while it was starting up, and now it appears to be a zombie. i really need to kill it and restart it, but i can't become root. help?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> mrvik, if possible, unless you're satisfied with fewer desktop effects etc and the chance of freezes under heavier loads
[13:11] <Ben64> stef1a: type "fg 1" ?
[13:12] <stef1a> Ben64: that returns unicorn_rails -E production -c config/unicorn.rb, which is the command i want to run (and earlier killed)
[13:12] <stef1a> Ben64: oh hey! that did it!
[13:12] <Ben64> stef1a: :)
[13:13] <mrvik> BluesKaj: but isn't that what's happening when I use 'fglrx' from additional drivers? and it freezes
[13:13] <stef1a> Ben64: thanks so much :-)
[13:13] <Ben64> stef1a: ctrl+z pauses processes, and "fg 1" brings it back to the foreground
[13:14] <BluesKaj> mrvik, dunno if fglrx is the right driver. It might be the xserver-xorg-video-ati
[13:16] <ubuntuser13> gtk+-3.0 not found. i am trying to compile a software.
[13:17] <mrvik> BluesKaj: ok so suppose I disable the intel card and use any of these drivers and reboot the system, won't it still freeze because the default for low graphics will still be intel? or then the defalut will be automatically changed?
[13:17] <kostkon> ubuntuser13, sudo apt-get install libgtk-3-dev?
[13:18] <ubuntuser13> kostkon: ok
[13:20] <BluesKaj> mrvik, the default autmatically be changed unless there's a software program that monitors the loads and switches the gpus, which I suspect has to be modded or disabled
[13:21] <mrvik> BluesKaj: since my system was going into 'low graphics mode' after installing ubuntu I updated the grub with 'nomodeset' does it have to do something?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> nomodeset should only be temporary until the proper drivers are installed for the system
[13:22] <ubuntuser13> kostkon: when i use sudo apt-get install gtk+-3.0, 13mb archives needed,but it uses 223mb internet still not installed.
[13:22] <urn> is there any way to force a user to run a command like 'cd upload' when they login to ftp?
[13:22] <mrvik> BluesKaj: it will automatically be managed then?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> mrvik, no you'll have to change it in grub
[13:26] <BluesKaj> mrvik, remove it from the "quiet splash" line
[13:27] <BluesKaj> mrvik, not until you installed the graphics driver though
[13:27] <mrvik> BluesKaj: just read this http://askubuntu.com/questions/207175/what-does-nomodeset-do does the accepted answer mean otherwise?
[13:30] <mrvik> BluesKaj: ok so am going with the following steps then, first install amd graphics card and then delete the 'nomodeset' from grub without rebooting and then reboot, is that it?
[13:30] <Ryan_>  06:30:16 up  3:47,  3 users,  load average: 463.28, 750.06, 777.37
[13:30] <Ryan_> ???
[13:30] <Ryan_> http://i.imgur.com/RbVVddE.png
[13:30] <BluesKaj> mrvik, yes, but check your bios first to set the graphics to amd exclusively
[13:31] <geirha> Ryan_: order by cpu%
[13:31] <BluesKaj> mrvik, if possible
[13:31] <Ryan_> geirha, its a fresh install with just mysql, apache and php
[13:31] <Ryan_> i order by CPU and thers nothing
[13:32] <Ryan_> http://i.imgur.com/c8gJsCd.png
[13:32] <geirha> Ryan_: Then my first suspect would be whatever php application you have running; possibly doing something very inefficient
[13:32] <mrvik> BluesKaj: and if I disable amd graphics card then I wont have to do anything else right?
[13:32] <Ryan_> no, there are no PHP applications running
[13:33] <geirha> oh, then that is indeed odd
[13:35] <BluesKaj> mrvik, don't disable the amd/ati card if you plan on higher level grpahics
[13:36] <geirha> Ryan_: nothing using mysql either?
[13:36] <Ryan_> no, i just installed it
[13:36] <Ryan_> nothing is running on it
[13:37] <mrvik> BluesKaj: ok, then I'll get started thanks :)
[13:41] <cyclonis> good morning anyone using cgroups-lite in ubnutu 12.304
[13:41] <cyclonis> 12.04
[13:44] <systom404> running ubuntu 14.04 in vmware player everything looks slightly blurry this is a brand new install anyone hazard a guess as to why this is
[13:44] <xbox> Ooi
[13:44] <xbox> Hey
[13:45] <xbox> Hi
[13:45] <RobertPrakigam> whats up xbox?
[13:45] <RobertPrakigam> nvm then
[13:45] <systom404> anyone at all any idea
[13:45] <EXetoC> "error: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found" I'm trying to install pervasive SQL (tar) and I don't know what the hell is going on. that dll is indeed present in /lib
[13:47] <systom404>  running ubuntu 14.04 in vmware player everything looks slightly blurry this is a brand new install anyone hazard a guess as to why this is
[13:51] <Whitor> Howdy. I'm having an issue in 14.04 where when I enter my password in the logon screen, it returns me to the logon screen... I can logon in a text terminal just fine... any ideas?    The guest account does work.
[13:51] <Whitor> guest session, rather
[13:52] <Whitor> This is on a lenovo w530 if it matters
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Whitor, have you updated/upgraded since?
[13:52] <k1l> Whitor: log into the konsole "ctrl+alt+f1" and chown the .XAuthority files back to user:user (where user is your user name), then restart the lightdm with "sudo ligthdm restart"