[08:54] <dsanfab> I have a old laptop (Fujitsu AMILO-La1703), installed Ubuntu Mate 18.04.1 LTS, and didn't detect the graphics card (only 640x480)
[08:55] <dsanfab> lspci | grep VGA
[08:55] <dsanfab> lspci | grep VGA
[08:55] <dsanfab> lspci | grep VGA
[08:55] <dsanfab> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] (rev 01)
[08:55] <dsanfab> sudo apt install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[08:56] <dsanfab> reboot
[08:56] <dsanfab> all seems ok... but, Am I loosing some of the good mate defaults here?
[08:57] <diogenes_> sudo lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
[09:02] <dsanfab> https://thepasteb.in/p/JZhpv7z8KrDSg
[09:10] <diogenes_> so you missing the kernel driver
[09:12] <dsanfab> I have to install it (xserver-xorg-video-openchrome)
[09:12] <dsanfab> and I have done it
[09:13] <diogenes_> and everything works?
[09:15] <dsanfab> the resolution is ok
[09:15] <dsanfab> its a bit slugish compared to the previous lts
[09:16] <dsanfab> don't know if it is the openchrome or the new lts
[09:32] <dsanfab> have I any alternative to 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] [1106:3230] (rev 01)
[09:32] <dsanfab>  Subsystem: Fujitsu Technology Solutions K8M890CE/K8N890CE [Chrome 9] [1734:10d9]
[09:32] <dsanfab>  Kernel modules: viafb
[09:32] <dsanfab> 04:01.0 Audio device [0403]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237A/VT8251 HDA Controller [1106:3288] (rev 10)
[09:32] <dsanfab> have I any alternative to openchrome? I'm suspecting that is sucking all my cpu.
[09:32] <dsanfab> (sorry for the copy and paste unintended mess)
[09:37] <sixwheeledbeast> check your load averages and processes with top?
[09:39] <dsanfab> 11:39:35 up  1:11,  1 user,  load average: 2,07, 2,41, 3,00
[09:40] <dsanfab> firefox+pluma+welcome
[09:40] <dsanfab> +terminal
[09:40] <dsanfab> this is what is running
[09:42] <dsanfab> performous (karaoke) is sluggish
[09:43] <gnugr> dsanfab: how old is that laptop?
[09:45] <gnugr> AFAIK VIA technologies no longer supported with nowdays kernels
[09:46] <gnugr> https://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3230
[09:48] <sixwheeledbeast> It's certainly doing some work. what laptop is it, what specs?
[09:48] <dsanfab> really old, amd turion 64x2
[09:49] <dsanfab> CPU~Dual core AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 (-MCP-) speed/max~800/1900 MHz Kernel~4.15.0-32-generic x86_64 Up~1:21 Mem~825.3/1866.4MB HDD~160.0GB(5.0% used) Procs~161 Client~Shell inxi~2.3.56
[09:50] <sixwheeledbeast> I have an old dell laptop turion 2core that runs fine on 16.04LTS not upgraded to 18.04 yet.
[09:52] <dsanfab> inxi -F  https://thepasteb.in/p/O7h5j6XYkZ7uq
[09:55] <gnugr> dsanfab: if it's possible get ubuntu 12.04 to install, it supports those graphics
[09:56] <gnugr> or get debian/wheezy
[09:58] <dsanfab> solus seems ok, but didn't have performous karaoke
[09:59] <dsanfab> where can I propose the creation of a performous snap?
[10:22] <spica> Hi guys. Just installed Ubuntu 18.04.1, and selected the Encryption option. It created 2 boot partitions and I was wondering why? /boot/efi at 512MiB and /boot at 732 MiB
[17:51] <jay_glenn> Halloah. I'm here about what seems to be a common bug that no one on the forums has found a concrete way to solve. The Desktop menu bar overlaps every fullscreen or maximized application, instead of placing the application below it. Anyone have any ideas how to fix it?
[17:52] <jay_glenn> Waitaminute
[17:53] <jay_glenn> Disregard previous question. I think there's been an update
[17:53] <jay_glenn> :P


[21:55] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue745 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue745 .
[22:09] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Looks like the Lubuntu backports post should be promoted to the Planet section.
[22:18] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Good catch - doing so !
[22:27] <Bashing-om> UWN: Next edits ?
[23:15] <guiverc> fyi.  I'm away most of tomorrow, should be able to spend a few mins at publish time but have no time if any issues occur
[23:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Noted ^ .


[07:57] <ezakimak> raid=noautodetect is being ignored. how can I fix this?
[07:57] <ezakimak> also, how do I edit kernel arguments? (so far I've had to edit grub.cfg)
[13:09] <stgraber> cjwatson: just saw your comment in -release about bank holiday in the UK. I guess that means we aren't very likely to see ev around today?
[13:11] <stgraber> I worked on some bugfixes for ubiquity yesterday that should fix all current release targeteted high priority bugs, was hoping for him to look at what's broken in the unit tests (reason why 2.7.18 didn't build) and release 2.7.19 so we have it early for ISO testing
[13:12] <stgraber> my current test packages build with the unit tests turned off but I really would like to avoid pushing that in the distro (though after an hour of looking at it, I'm not too sure what's broken in there)
[13:13] <cjwatson> gah, why do we keep leaving the build broken over the weekend?
[13:13] <cjwatson> I guess ev won't be around.  nor will I, much, but I'll see if I can have a look in spare moments
[13:15] <cjwatson> I wouldn't be happy with uploading with disabled tests either ...
[13:55] <cjwatson> stgraber: ev SMSed to say he's unavailable
[13:55] <cjwatson> trying to reproduce the failure locally
[14:15] <CIA-31> casper: superm1 * r924 casper.oneiric/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin):
[14:15] <CIA-31> casper: Don't fail to set up autologin on a commented out autologin-user line
[14:15] <CIA-31> casper: in lightdm custom conf. (LP: #836727)
[14:16] <CIA-31> casper: superm1 * r925 casper.oneiric/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.280
[14:49] <cjwatson> stgraber: could you please push your ubiquity changes/
[14:49] <cjwatson> ?
[14:49] <cjwatson> I'm working on the test fixes but would rather base on top of your work rather than needing to merge
[14:51] <stgraber> cjwatson: they are in lp:ubiquity
[14:51] <stgraber> cjwatson: rev 4883 to rev 4888
[14:55] <cjwatson> stgraber: oh.  can you please write debian/changelog entries to go with them, then?
[14:55] <cjwatson> closing whatever bugs are fixed
[14:56] <stgraber> Oops, I have the changelog here but forgot to make it look nice and push it. Will do that once I'm done with my call (~10 minutes).
[15:15] <stgraber> cjwatson: pushed. I'm pretty sure the greeter problem has a bug somewhere on Launchpad but the search function is currently timing out for me...
[15:17] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:18] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4890 trunk/debian/changelog: typo
[15:18] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4891 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_timezone.py): Adjust timezone tests for change in timezone changed() signature.
[15:19] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4892 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_gtkwidgets.py):
[15:19] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Mock ubiquity.misc.drop_privileges and ubiquity.misc.regain_privileges
[15:19] <CIA-31> ubiquity: during test_face_selector_save_to.
[15:20] <cjwatson> that's everything working in a normal system, but the build log indicates more problems, so testing in pbuilder now
[16:14] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4893 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_gtkui.py):
[16:14] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Mock ubiquity.frontend.base.drop_privileges in GTK frontend tests to
[16:14] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cope with 'from ubiquity.misc import drop_privileges' form.
[16:22] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4894 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_gtkui.py):
[16:22] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Mock ubiquity.nm.wireless_hardware_present in GTK frontend tests, as it
[16:22] <CIA-31> ubiquity: may not be able to talk to D-Bus.
[16:22] <cjwatson> stgraber: phew, I think that's it passing tests now
[16:22] <cjwatson> will upload in a moment
[16:23] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4895 trunk/debian/changelog: typo
[16:27] <stgraber> yeah!
[16:33] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4896 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.7.19
[16:58] <superm1> i think there might still be a problem with the webcam page actually
[16:58] <superm1> i was noticing that it's trying to write to /var/lib/ubiquity without raising permissions when it writes (directory is owned by root:root and not writable otherwise)
[16:59] <cjwatson> is it causing a runtime crash?
[16:59] <cjwatson> please fix/upload if you can (but make sure tests still pass!) - I have to go for dinner now
[16:59] <superm1> yeah the page hangs
[16:59] <cjwatson> and let #u-r know if you think it's fatal
[17:00] <superm1> i'll do a quick run in sbuild to make sure tests pass with the fix
[17:00] <cjwatson> thanks for noticing
[17:00] <cjwatson> this webcam stuff landed really late :-/
[17:00] <superm1> yeah, and it's hard to catch in VM tests, only real hardware really
[17:00] <cjwatson> hm, I thought save_to raised privileges
[17:01] <superm1> only to create the directory
[17:01] <cjwatson> oh, yes
[17:01] <superm1> not for actually writing out the file
[17:01] <cjwatson> I knew I'd run into it while fixing tests
[17:34] <CIA-31> ubiquity: superm1 * r4897 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/gtkwidgets.py): Raise permissions for writing out webcam picture. (LP: #836802)
[17:34] <CIA-31> ubiquity: superm1 * r4898 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.7.20
[17:40] <stgraber> I'll start poking at the other beta1 targeted bugs in ubiquity. I don't see anything horribly critical in there so I'll just go through them one by one.
[18:09] <stgraber> jibel: I'm currently looking at bug 628970. I tried starting ubiquity with network disabled and in that case the "download updates" option is properly disabled. Then I tried with network turned on but no internet access and ubiquity considers that as being online so I can select to download the updates.
[18:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 628970 in ubiquity "UI Inconsistency: No network detected but checkbox to download updates while installing is active" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628970
[18:10] <stgraber> jibel: so I don't seem to be able to reproduce the problem you described. When was the last time you saw it?
[18:22] <jibel> stgraber, I don't remember. I'll try with latest image and let you know
[18:23] <superm1> it might not make so much sense to have the prepare page tell you to connect to a network before you actually get a chance with the wireless page right after no?
[18:23] <jibel> stgraber, if you're on ubiquity may be have a look at bug 830923 , bug 830895 (which affects also the link 'advanced partitioning') I don't know what's the status.
[18:23] <stgraber> jibel: thanks
[18:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 830923 in ubiquity "Create partition: FS and mount point lists not legible" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830923
[18:23] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 830895 in ubiquity "Unable to show release notes: operation not supported" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830895
[18:25] <stgraber> superm1: indeed. Ideally these options should appear after the wireless page.
[18:25] <stgraber> superm1: I'm also not sure I want to disable the "download updates" entry when we don't have "internet" access but have "internal network access" as someone described in the bug report. As in some cases (I had most my customers setup like that) you have access to archive.u.c but not to the rest of the world.
[18:26] <stgraber> so updates will still install fine even though changelogs.u.c (or whatever we poke to check for connectivity) won't answer
[18:26] <stgraber> I guess it's more important to make sure we don't fail to install when "download updates" is selected and we indeed don't have access to archive.u.c
[18:27] <stgraber> jibel: ok, I'll have a look at these two first. I was currently poking at bug 690926.
[18:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 690926 in ubiquity "Installer forces you to install grub somewhere" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690926
[18:27] <superm1> so maybe the download updates should really be "Try to Download Updates"
[18:27] <superm1> and if for any reason it doesn't work, it just fails gracefully
[18:28] <stgraber> superm1: yep, renaming it would make sense. I'd let ev do that though as we'd probably need a UIFe + approval from design
[18:35] <stgraber> jibel: confirmed bug 830923 with current ubiquity. Fixing now.
[18:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 830923 in ubiquity "Create partition: FS and mount point lists not legible" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830923
[18:36] <stgraber> doh, I meant bug 830895
[18:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 830895 in ubiquity "Unable to show release notes: operation not supported" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830895
[20:17] <kyleN> ev. Hi. After changing focus, I am back to to project I mentioned last week. ubiquity-dm still fails to start x (I have an xorg log with backtrace and can provide any other files if you want). I can start x with 'sudo startx' from another tty. I can launch lightdm from tty. What I cannot do is get oem-config to start on boot (after running 'oem-config-prepare'). Maybe I don't have the proper user configured that is expected? W
[20:17] <kyleN> hat is expected? I do have (on tty7) error msgs that I can't find anywhere else, including ubiquity-dm errors from lines 557 and 245. I can send you a photo of that if you like.
[20:19] <kyleN> ev, so I need a little help to figure out if this is something wrong with my system or not since I have now spent a day on it and have not discovered the root cause.
[20:22] <stgraber> kyleN: what version of ubiquity is that?
[20:23] <kyleN> stgraber, 2.7.17
[20:23] <stgraber> kyleN: I fixed ubiquity -g yesterday which may have fixed your bug. Would be interesting to know if it still happens with 2.7.20
[20:23] <stgraber> kyleN: ok, my fix is in 2.7.19
[20:24] <kyleN> stgraber, what do you mean by ubiquity -g? is that related to the oem-config path?
[20:25] <stgraber> -g is ubiquity in greeter mode which IIRC is called as part of ubiquity-dm. Not sure if that affects your use csae. Anyway, it'd be interesting to test with 2.7.20 as there's been a bunch of bugfixes.
[20:26] <kyleN> interesting
[20:26] <kyleN> 2.7.17 is the latest I get from apt-cache policy
[20:27] <kyleN> i do see 2.7.18 here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/oneiric/ubiquity
[20:28] <stgraber> 2.7.18 failed to build, 2.7.19 was uploaded a bit earlier today, followed closely by 2.7.20 (to fix a webcam problem)
[20:28] <kyleN> so probably wehn I test this tomorrow I'll have 2.7.20.
[20:28] <stgraber> jibel: I fixed 830895 and found the problem behind 830923 (though not the solution yet, learning about gtkcss now :))
[20:29] <stgraber> kyleN: yeah, I know we're currently waiting for ubiquity to publish to get a new batch of ISO images for beta1
[20:30] <stgraber> kyleN: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/2.7.20
[20:30] <kyleN> ok, thx stgraber


[01:12] <Sir_Konrad> hey, do you guys moderate #ubuntu-women?
[01:13] <Seeker`> I don't believe it is classed as a main channel
[01:13] <Seeker`> why?
[01:13] <Sir_Konrad> I don't know... I just did a google search for #ubuntu and that came up.
[01:16] <Seeker`> is there anything we can help you with?
[01:18] <Sir_Konrad> nope. I'm gone. kthxbye
[05:04] <bazhang> incoming in -ot
 bazhang: where do i troll at?
[05:17] <bazhang> maco, he is trolling; also general opinion type questions are ot
[05:18] <maco> ok
[05:18] <bazhang> which is better, vista or karmic?
[05:28] <maco> sock puppet?
[05:29] <bazhang> please dont do hammertime in #ubuntu
[05:29] <maco> aw ok
[05:35] <bazhang> Sniper_Jesus, how may we help you
[05:35] <Sniper_Jesus> can u plz unban me
[05:36] <bazhang> Sniper_Jesus, you are muted. I have asked you to read the code of conduct and the guidelines
[05:44] <nalioth> he does not get unbanned for a while
[05:45] <bazhang> ok
[06:22] <elky> and this is why we had the policy on nicks that have "jesus" in them...
[06:23] <nalioth> with what he did, he coulda been named anything
[06:26] <elky> sure, but the ratio of people with "jesus" in their nicks behaving vs not behaving is like tor's use vs abuse.
[06:30] <maco> haha
[08:04] <miia> hi maco
[08:38] <bazhang> topyli, you around?
[08:41] <KB1JWQ> Cross channel pasteflood by snokat, I got it in all the channels I could, including a couple ubuntu namespace ones.  Just FYI.
[08:42] <bazhang> thanks KB1JWQ :)
[08:44] <bazhang> Tm_T, you around?
[08:46] <bazhang> topyli, Tm_T jussi01 if you are around, could use some help with miia
[08:48] <KB1JWQ> There are days I want to throttle some users...
[08:48] <bazhang> heh today has been pretty trying so far
[09:19] <topyli> bazhang, i have her in pm
[09:40] <topyli> bazhang, no response
[09:43] <topyli> for the record, she has now been explained the english-ness of the main channels, and informed about our friendly finnish channels. also how to get rid of the ban: acknowledge these things
[10:11] <bazhang> topyli, thanks! I tried yesterday with google translate. but failed
[10:14] <topyli> remains to be seen if a finn's finnish got through any better, as she did not respond
[10:38] <bazhang> true
[11:35] <MenZa> bazhang the translator, strikes again!
[11:36] <bazhang> MenZa, fails again more like
[11:36] <MenZa> :D
[11:37] <bazhang> even a native Finnish speaker ( top yli ) did not get much of a response from her
[11:43] <MenZa> still!
[12:07] <BlouBlou> hi, any op free?
[12:10] <BlouBlou> there are jully* clones in #ubuntu
[12:10] <BlouBlou> thanks
[12:34] <vox> jully isnt a bot
[12:34] <vox> he's just having connection problems
[12:46] <bazhang> thanks vox
[12:56] <vox> i actually know the guy heh
[13:21] <KB1JWQ> junruh in #ubuntu is being insulting.
[13:23] <KB1JWQ> Off he wandered, stand down. :-)
[18:19] <ikonia> did anyone speak to Con-Trolleur?
[19:27] <ikonia> what a surprise another arch troll, this time from ##arch-ftw
[19:27] <ikonia> and an op from that channel too
[19:54] <niko> ikonia: Con-Trolleur is a know ban/kline evader on many french channel
[19:54] <ikonia> niko: thank you
[19:54] <ikonia> he's not responded to any of the pm's I sent him about his attitude
[19:55] <niko> some days we are near to set #ubuntu-fr +r due to things he did
[19:56] <ikonia> really, that's a lot worse than how he was represented in #ubuntu
[21:44]  * MenZa wishes #ubuntu-dk were as well-managed as the core channels.
[22:40] <Flannel> Howdy kay_, how can we help you today?
[22:40] <kay_> You can't :-)
[22:41] <kay_> not unless you by any chance happen to have some experience with udf recovery/reconstruction after my sister reinitialised a disk and destroyed the existing files.
[22:41] <Flannel> kay_: If you don't have an issue to discuss with us, please don't idle here
[22:41] <kay_> I've been here 2 minutes, and have said 2 items. Hardly idle.
[22:44] <ikonia> Flannel: kay is a known problem using other nicks, I've got that ip on hilight


[08:35] <mardy> just in case someone is at work on Sundays :-) Any idea how to fix this problem in the spread tests, where I'm using the fake store and trying to install a snap fails:
[08:35] <mardy> snap install microk8s
[08:35] <mardy> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[08:35] <mardy> - Fetch and check assertions for snap "microk8s" (1) (cannot find supported signatures to verify snap "microk8s" and its hash (account (developer1) not found))
[08:35] <mardy> I'm using make_snap_installable_with_id to create the snap


[09:26] <John> helo
[09:27] <John> i want to ask, how to install driver? cz amd doesnt provide one
 On windows you install drivers, on Linux drivers install you
 What's exactly not working there?
[12:57] <Mekaneck> @emergencyrussia they've been gone for hours now, a bit pointless to respond
[12:58] <Mekaneck> ah, now i see you use the telegram bridge to IRC.... people should stop using that and get on real IRC so they can see who's joining and leaving
[12:59]  * Mekaneck doesn't like the cruft filling on IRC channels
 It's a real problem since I
 1) Use my phone and IRC requires a lot of background networking
 2) Do not have stable connection so I'll miss some messages (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Mekaneck> ah, now i see you use the telegram bridge to IRC.... people should stop using that and get on real IRC so they can see who's joining and leaving)
 Feel free to use the platform of your choice, that is why we have the bridge. (re @emergencyrussia: It's a real problem since I
 1) Use my phone and IRC requires a lot of background networking
 2) Do not have stable connection so I'll miss some messages)
 I wish Telegram loaded a little faster on Pinebook
 Takes up to 5 seconds to load
 Works fine afterwards
[14:02] <user__> hello


[06:23] <Kilos> morning all
[06:25] <Squirm> morning
[06:25] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:33] <Trixar_za> Oh hey Squirm
[06:34] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[06:34] <Trixar_za> Who was this 'pi' user?
[06:34] <Trixar_za> Morning Kilos
[09:26] <Squirm> happy birthday Trixar_za !
[09:26] <Squirm> you're getting old bud
[09:26] <Kilos> haha happy birthday Trixar_za
[10:56] <charl> good morning
[10:57] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[10:57]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[11:01] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:01] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[11:01] <Maaz_> charl: Okay :-)
[12:54] <charl> wb Kilos
[14:35] <Kilos> ohi ty charl
[15:20] <charl> hi Kilos
[15:23] <theblazehen> hey Kilos charl
[15:23] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[15:25] <theblazehen> charl, how fast is your net?
[15:27] <charl> hi theblazehen
[15:27] <charl> at home or at work?
[15:27] <charl> at home i am on crappy ziggo cable internet
[15:28] <charl> at work we have gigabit ethernet with fibre link between buildings and 40gbps uplink in addition to a link to the internet exchange across the road
[15:28] <theblazehen> charl, wherever you can run a cryptocurrency?
[15:29] <charl> my home internet is this: https://www.ziggo.nl/#producten/alles-in-1/extra
[15:29] <charl> i don't use cryptocurrency
[15:29] <theblazehen> kk
[15:29] <theblazehen> Was hoping you could help stress-test
[15:30] <theblazehen> currently doing 30 tx/s
[15:30] <charl> i don't know how that works, cryptocurrency
[15:30] <charl> isn't it cpu-intensive ?
[15:30] <theblazehen> only initial sync
[15:30] <theblazehen> But mining is often done on GPU, but mostly ASIC for bitcoin
[15:31] <charl> application specific integrated circuit ?
[15:31] <charl> some special chips they use?
[15:31] <theblazehen> yeah
[15:31] <theblazehen> do sha256 really fast
[15:31] <charl> a friend of mine does it on his mobile phone
[15:31] <charl> some android stuff, no idea, no interest either really
[15:31] <theblazehen> just the client I assume?
[15:31] <theblazehen> ah
[15:32] <charl> afaik he can mine too
[15:32] <charl> but he has a gpu cluster at home
[15:32] <charl> he took a old rack-mounted server thing, big box
[15:32] <charl> and he stuffed it full of as many gpus as possible
[15:32] <charl> maybe he has a picture up, lemme check
[15:33] <theblazehen> ooh nice
[15:33] <theblazehen> How much cash did he lose past week?
[15:33] <theblazehen> I'm gonna get gpu soon
[15:33] <theblazehen> ROI in 3 months
[15:35] <charl> no idea, haven't spoken to him in the last week
[15:35] <theblazehen> kk
[15:35] <charl> oooh it's a mess but look through this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twobombs/sets/72157626536549115/
[15:35] <theblazehen> price dropped really dar
[15:36] <theblazehen> far*
[15:36] <charl> his computer is a complete disaster
[15:37] <charl> i have never seen such a "kloterij" in my life
[15:37] <theblazehen> he does bitcoin on nvidia cards?!
[15:39] <charl> i have never seen kabelsalat like that in my life
[15:39] <charl> my head hurts and my stomach turns when i look at his machine
[15:41] <theblazehen> lol
[15:41] <charl> look at that one photo he stuck an extra PSU at his machine with ducktape
[15:41] <charl> just to power all the gpus
[15:42] <charl> is that englishman's site back up again?
[15:42] <charl> that one that got ddosed a few weeks back
[15:42] <theblazehen> yeah, site is back up
[15:42] <theblazehen> And beta going good
[15:42] <charl> what's the url again ?
[15:43] <theblazehen> emunie.com
[15:43] <theblazehen> crypto currency that I was talking about now
[15:44] <charl> ooh it's a java app ...
[15:44] <charl> that's can't be fast for mining ?
[15:44] <theblazehen> actually it's fast enough
[15:44] <charl> calculations it's pretty good but can you access gpus ?
[15:45] <charl> i am a java developer myself
[15:45] <theblazehen> this won't run on GPU
[15:45] <theblazehen> And needs fast DB
[15:45] <charl> what happened to the claims he's a fraud and his passport photo
[15:45] <theblazehen> totally different to other cryptos
[15:45] <theblazehen> Not sure, stopped paying attention to those guys
[15:46] <charl> hold on if it's not processing-intensive how does it work
[15:46] <charl> how do you create artificial scarcity
[15:47] <theblazehen> What do you mean?
[15:47] <charl> i mean to generate bitboins are difficult
[15:47] <charl> computationally expensive
[15:47] <charl> so you can only generate a limited number of them
[15:47] <theblazehen> The transaction is verified 3 times by different hatchers, then each gets share of tx fee
[15:47] <charl> that's why they are worth something
[15:48] <theblazehen> And theen to produce more there is interest and hatchers get paid based on amount of tx verified
[15:48] <charl> oh it's a whole different model
[15:48] <charl> not based on a computationally expensive algorithm ?
[15:49] <theblazehen> nope
[15:49] <charl> ah ok now i get why it's a java app :)
[15:49] <theblazehen> why?
[15:49] <charl> if you don't need gpus etc
[15:50] <theblazehen> ah, yeah
[15:54] <psydroid> hi charl
[15:54] <psydroid> hi theblazehen
[15:54] <psydroid> why are these apps even written in java?
[15:54] <theblazehen> hi psydroid
[15:54] <theblazehen> psydroid, easy dev?
[15:54] <psydroid> theblazehen, I guess so, yes
[15:55] <charl> hi psydroid
[15:55] <psydroid> but I don't find it takes me significantly more time to write in c++
[15:55] <charl> java is nice for developing web app backends
[15:55] <psydroid> there are just way more possibilities to shoot yourself in the foot
[15:55] <charl> because all the biggest frameworks are written in java
[15:56] <psydroid> yes, I understand
[15:56] <charl> i like writing web app backends in java and web-related stuff
[15:57] <charl> but for good applications that run directly on the computer, definitely c or python
[15:58] <psydroid> yes
[16:39] <inetpro> Kilos: what frequency can I use to irritate the neighborhoods dogs?
[16:40] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <Kilos> http://www.instructables.com/answers/What-ultrasonic-frequency-actually-hurts-dogs/
[16:42] <Kilos> i havent tried ones to worry dogs but if that works it will affect your dogs too
[16:55] <inetpro> I'll try it again next time, for now they are quiet again
[16:55] <Kilos> lol
[16:56] <Kilos> you undertand frequencies now inetpro ?
[16:56] <inetpro> well
[16:57] <inetpro> I think it's more the noise levels that scare the animals than anything else
[16:57] <Kilos> every different sound is a different frequency
[16:57] <Kilos> as is every colour too
[16:58] <Kilos> peeps and all animals are sensitive to certain frequencies
[16:58] <Kilos> some hurt
[16:58] <inetpro> I'm not so sure the PC speaker is accurate
[16:58] <Kilos> it should be close
[16:59] <Kilos> not sure how fast they can actually vibrate
[16:59] <Kilos> i dunno if you get special high definition speakers
[17:00] <inetpro> playing with modulate on FM produces some interesting sound variations
[17:00] <Kilos> lol ya but fm is high normally\
[17:00] <Kilos> like our radio stations
[17:02] <inetpro> could build a house alarm with this thing
[17:02] <inetpro> burglar alarm as well
[17:02] <Kilos> they sounds/frequencies to affect bugs are beyond our hearing
[17:02] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <Kilos> haha inetpro i just mailed telkom and asked if they can put a wifi goodie by this cell tower
[17:50] <Kilos> this is the reply
[17:50] <inetpro> haha, good luck :-)
[17:50] <Kilos> Please note that we will send this to our planning team. Thank you for supporting 8ta
[17:50] <inetpro> they will most probably laugh at that
[17:51] <Kilos> well lets hope
[17:51] <inetpro> there's very lttle hope
[17:51] <Kilos> there are lots of businesses in the area so who knows
[17:52] <inetpro> you must be joking
[17:52] <Kilos> it cost me i email so what can i lose
[17:59] <Kilos> 1
[19:56] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight