[07:30] <Cimi> morning guys
[07:40] <Cimi> Saviq, dzien dobry - I finished friday if you want to check out
[08:00] <Cimi> Saviq, you on holiday today?
[08:40] <Saviq> Cimi, no, just late... sorry
[08:42] <Cimi> Saviq, no problem :)
[08:42] <Saviq> Cimi, I'll try and have a look, looks like today's gonna be a review day anyway
[08:43] <mhr3> Saviq, a super quick one - https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-api/scope-customizations/+merge/223893
[08:43] <Saviq> mhr3, bump API version, and is there no test that checks for props?
[08:44] <mhr3> Saviq, the version isn't fine-grained enough, so did just deb bump
[08:45] <Saviq> mhr3, why not "fine-grained enough"?
[08:45] <Saviq> mhr3, I don't mean the one in .h
[08:46] <Saviq> mhr3, but the one in CMakeLists.txt, that gets baked into the .pc file
[08:46] <Saviq> mhr3, that one's per-interface, meant exactly for this?
[08:46] <seb128> Saviq, mhr3: hey, do you know who decided to use X-Ubuntu-Touch=true and why?
[08:47] <Saviq> seb128, ~me, because we were looking at all .desktop files and wanted to only list those that explicitly said that they support touch
[08:47] <Saviq> seb128, it should probably be rethought, or dropped altogether
[08:47] <Saviq> mhr3, deb-bump is needed, of course, for anyone that wants to implement that interface
[08:47] <mhr3> Saviq, yea, exactly there's just set(VERSION 1)
[08:47] <mhr3> sucks
[08:47] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, just bump to 2
[08:48] <Saviq> mhr3, it's just an interface version, what do you care ;)
[08:48] <Saviq> mhr3, but then the "other" version is for consumers, we actually should make it so Provides: gets automagically bumped
[08:48] <Saviq> mhr3, it's kinda like SONAME
[08:48] <seb128> Saviq, right, because once we get Gtk/MIR ideally you should be able to run any GTK app on desktop, and we don't want to have to patch every single .desktop entry for that
[08:48] <Saviq> mhr3, just an int there as well
[08:48] <mhr3> Saviq, it's completely backwards compatible, with minor addition, you don't do major version bumps in those cases
[08:48] <mzanetti> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1302761 :/
[08:49] <Saviq> mhr3, that is true, only problem is that I will have to check whether that property is there if I'm not sure, or we'll be logging warnings all over the place ;)
[08:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, that should be fixed with 5.3 now?
[08:49] <mhr3> Saviq, meh.. warnings if system is assembled with wrong components... who cares :P
[08:50] <mzanetti> Saviq: hmm... its not fixed with the latest stable image... currently flashing the development device. will check
[08:50] <Saviq> mhr3, well, the problem is, if you don't bump, you say those are *right* components
[08:50] <Saviq> mhr3, because scopes-shell provides unity-shell-impl-1, and that does not include the customizations prop
[08:51] <Saviq> mhr3, and if shell starts expecting that prop
[08:51] <mhr3> Saviq, ultimately i don't want to have version 35 after two months
[08:51] <Saviq> mhr3, then stop changing the API! ;)
[08:51] <Saviq> mhr3, and why not? it's just a number :D
[08:51] <mhr3> Saviq, tell design to stop changing things :)
[08:52] <mhr3> or rather... to stop designing :)
[08:52] <mzanetti> Saviq: no, still broken
[08:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, bump the bug, then, Loïc wrote that it should be fixed with 5.3
[08:53] <mhr3> Saviq, imo we should do those bump max twice per cycle, it doesn't matter for us, and others implementing our interfaces will be basing them off released ubuntu
[08:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1296777/comments/16
[08:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: well, unless we reverted 5.3 from the latest devel-proposed, its still broken
[08:54] <Saviq> mhr3, I don't understand the resistance, the whole purpose of this version is to bump it whenever the API changes (which should hopefully stabilize at some point)
[08:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, that's why I'm saying bump the bug (well, you might make it dupe of that last one I linked, since the problem is the same)
[08:55] <mhr3> Saviq, it's a change which sole purpose is to force more changes without any real benefit right now
[08:55] <Saviq> MacSlow, silo 4 doesn't seem to include anything re: boot anim, or am I mistaken?
[08:55] <Saviq> mhr3, the benefit is that upgrading unity8 will require the upgraded plugin
[08:55] <mzanetti> Saviq: I bumped the bug, but I don't think anyone will notice as it doesn't have an assigneed in SDK
[08:55] <MacSlow> Saviq, no... that's why I'm guessing kgunn saw this problem.
[08:56] <mhr3> Saviq, like we didn't do system images
[08:56] <MacSlow> Saviq, once my phone is charged I wanted to take a closer look, if that's really the reason... sofar I'm only guessing because mterry told me about that branch before the weekend
[08:56] <Saviq> mhr3, which break if stuff migrates from proposed partially
[08:57] <Saviq> mhr3, which would not be the case if unity8 was held in proposed until scopes-shell came up with the new Provides
[08:57] <Saviq> MacSlow, don't understand, why would the spinner come up anyway? what enabled it all of a sudden?
[08:57] <mhr3> Saviq, which still wouldn't affect anything in this case... but fine you win
[08:57] <MacSlow> Saviq, that I don't know
[08:58] <Cimi> paulliu, tags!
[08:58] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/lp1330957/+merge/223779
[08:58] <Saviq> mhr3, if you come up with a better way (like versioned imports), I'm fine with that
[08:58] <Saviq> mhr3, but we still need to denote API bumps somewhere in debian/control
[08:59] <seb128> Saviq, robert_ancell filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1333029 on the topic btw, would be nice if you could comment
[08:59] <Saviq> seb128, unity8 does not filter them, probably unity-scope-click by now? it was originally unity-scope-applications
[09:00] <seb128> is -click handling non clicks?
[09:00] <Cimi> paulliu, I don't understand though why it should not have any card or background in those tests
[09:00] <seb128> mhr3, ^
[09:00] <Saviq> seb128, yeah, there's no other scope
[09:00] <mhr3> seb128, yes, both have checks for those
[09:01] <seb128> Saviq, mhr3: can you just reassign/still comment on the intent/what we plan to do? ;-)
[09:02] <mhr3> seb128, honestly i don't know... guess it's now kindof a "SupportsMir=true" thing
[09:02] <seb128> mhr3, we are still not going to patch every single .desktop of the archive to add that
[09:03] <seb128> that makes no sense
[09:03] <mhr3> yet you don't want to show apps that you can't launch
[09:03] <seb128> well, once you can start any gtk and qt apps, you don't have much you can't launch
[09:03] <Saviq> MacSlow, ok looks like the spinner is enabled in the current proposed image already
[09:03] <mhr3> seb128, java, wxwidgets?
[09:04] <mhr3> seb128, or really anything not written in gtk nor qt
[09:04] <Saviq> MacSlow, and it works fine, so unrelated
[09:04] <seb128> mhr3, well, my point was most our apps are GTK or Qt ones
[09:04]  * Saviq kicks rebuild on the silo in any case
[09:04] <MacSlow> Saviq, ah ok
[09:04] <seb128> mhr3, I said "most" not "all"
[09:04] <mhr3> seb128, so you'd still have apps that you can't launch.. sucks
[09:05] <seb128> mhr3, either you have too much list of not enough
[09:05] <seb128> I would prefer be able to run my apps that are working
[09:05] <seb128> even if a few icons don't work
[09:05] <seb128> than not being able to run things that work
[09:05] <Saviq> mhr3, seb128, maybe we need a blacklist shipped with the scope or something?
[09:05] <Saviq> mhr3, seb128, I agree maintaining it per-package is dumb
[09:06] <Saviq> but maybe a single list?
[09:06] <mhr3> seb128, i'm just saying both sucks
[09:06] <Saviq> or well, isn't XMir supposed to solve all that? ;P
[09:06] <seb128> yeah, it should ;-)
[09:06] <Saviq> crap
[09:06] <seb128> mhr3, well, once we have XMir we should be able to run everything
[09:07] <mhr3> that sounds like good enough solution then :)
[09:09] <seb128> Saviq, can we land the unity8 logout? ;-)
[09:09] <mhr3> Saviq, pushed
[09:09] <Saviq> seb128, trying! ;)
[09:10] <seb128> Saviq, thanks
[09:10] <Saviq> mhr3, kthxbai, and sorry for pushing, but that's the system, the system might be flawed, but until we have a new one, I'd like to stick to it
[09:10] <Saviq> mhr3, it's not like I thought of it myself, Didier thought of it!
[09:11] <mhr3> i knew it was didrocks' fault!
[09:11] <mhr3> he's the evil man behind everything
[09:11] <mhr3> and not even here
[09:21] <paulliu> Cimi: if we don't provide those in cardData, they will be null.
[09:21] <paulliu> Cimi: what tags?
[09:26] <Saviq> MacSlow, well... TBH https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-004
[09:26] <Saviq> MacSlow, that silo has no packages
[09:27] <Saviq> MacSlow, and I don't see how it could, there was a conflict between two branches
[09:27] <Saviq> MacSlow, so, in any case, I'm on it
[09:27] <MacSlow> Saviq, :) ok ... I'm ironing out the last bit on the unity8 combo-button branch
[09:30] <Saviq> Cimi, please grab pete-woods today to see what's up with new infog :)
[09:32] <Cimi> paulliu, why we don't provide them?
[09:33] <Cimi> paulliu, cimi@draco:~/Development/unity8/lp1330957$ bzr tags
[09:33] <Cimi> 0.1.16               ?
[09:33] <Cimi> pete-woods, ping indeed :)
[09:38] <pete-woods> Cimi: hi
[09:38] <Cimi> pete-woods, welcome back
[09:38] <pete-woods> thanks :)
[09:41] <Cimi> pete-woods, so we got the infographics running, but camera app doesn't populate!
[09:41] <Cimi> pete-woods, also, can we have a backport compativility with older infographics?
[09:42] <pete-woods> Cimi: you need to install the camera app from click
[09:42] <pete-woods> otherwise we don't get the hooks set up
[09:42] <pete-woods> I don't think that our current PPA mechanism actually allows us to test this
[09:44] <Cimi> pete-woods, how?
[09:45] <pete-woods> Cimi: well there's a click-build.sh script in the camera app source tree
[09:45] <Cimi> pete-woods, we have a silo with it
[09:45] <pete-woods> silos only contain debs though, right
[09:45] <pete-woods> not click packages
[09:45] <Cimi> ok
[09:46] <Cimi> pete-woods, so we build it in the phone?
[09:46] <pete-woods> Cimi: actually I have an idea
[09:46] <pete-woods> Cimi: I should make the camera app work in both deb mode and click mode
[09:47] <pete-woods> Cimi: give me a little bit and I'll update the branch to support both modes
[09:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you have another look at bug #1302761, it looks to me like the underlying issue is fixed actually, the behaviour in the launcher is now different - before it always displayed the same icon (the first one that was ever dragged)
[09:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, now it always shows the *previous* icon that you dragged
[09:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, and the other instance of this bug (wrong avatar in notification) looks fine now
[09:58] <mzanetti> mhm... will have alook. still the code in the launcher didn't change
[09:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, so it looks like the icon is updated now, but uses the previous one somehow
[09:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, and please mention on the bug that this was supposed to be fixed with 5.3 and is not
[10:00] <Saviq> mzanetti, FWIW your test case works, too https://launchpadlibrarian.net/172053666/shapetest.qml
[10:00] <karni> Saviq / mhr3: Do you guys know whether Unity preview art is right-angle shaped by design? (no longer contained within Ubuntu shape, that is) - Joe likes that, I just wanted to check with you guys whether that was accidental or design team decision :)
[10:01] <Saviq> karni, no, first I've heard (we did decide on an option to disable, but didn't implement yet)
[10:02] <Saviq> karni, and I can't repro, can you?
[10:26] <dednick> anyone noticed that the wider the shell window is, the darker the background? not sure if it's only on desktop app though...
[10:32] <Saviq> dednick, which background? dash or greeter?
[10:32] <dednick> Saviq: dash
[10:33] <Saviq> dednick, right, ouch
[10:34] <dednick> Saviq: although not really sure how it's doing it. probably just an svg thing. increasing size changes gradient
[10:34] <Saviq> dednick, looks like the notification overlay
[10:34] <Saviq> dednick, no, you can't interact with the dash any more either :|
[10:34] <dednick> Saviq: ah. didnt notice that!
[10:34] <dednick> woops
[10:35] <Saviq> it only happens on resize, though
[10:35] <Saviq> something weird
[10:35] <dednick> Saviq: ya, it works if you resize before switching from greeter
[10:35] <Saviq> MacSlow, it looks like the notification input-block overlay behaves weirdly when you resize the window, could you please have a look
[10:36] <Saviq> MacSlow, ./run.sh; unlock, resize → overlay activates
[10:48] <Cimi> pete-woods, any luck?
[10:49] <pete-woods> Cimi: yep, you'll need to rebuild both libusermetrics and the camera-app though
[10:50] <Cimi> pete-woods, Saviq can you update silo? ^
[10:53]  * Saviq does
[10:53] <Saviq> I rebuilt the whole thing, unity8 changed, too
[10:53] <Saviq> in the mean time
[10:57] <MacSlow> Saviq, ok... I will.
[10:57] <Saviq> MacSlow, shout if you want me to file a bug
[10:58] <MacSlow> Saviq, sure
[11:02] <pete-woods> Saviq: could you add this MR to the infographics silo? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/telephony-service/file-based-infographics/+merge/224105
[11:03] <pete-woods> just realised that we need to update the telephony service, too
[11:04] <Saviq> pete-woods, doing
[11:04] <pete-woods> Saviq: thanks!
[11:31] <Saviq> pete-woods, btw, shouldn't the compat layer have taken care of telephony, though?
[11:31] <Saviq> pete-woods, or does the compat layer require a bit adaptations in any case?
[11:32] <pete-woods> Saviq: yes, but you still need to add the infographic hook, the API is exactly the same
[11:33] <Saviq> pete-woods, ah ok, that
[11:33] <pete-woods> otherwise I'd have to go globbing the cache directory for stuff
[11:33]  * pete-woods doesn't want to do that
[11:34] <pete-woods> the other alternative would be to add an extra permission for apps to write in a common dir
[11:34] <Saviq> got it
[11:36] <seb128> Saviq, is anything blocking the landing of the logout silo? did you want to give it an extra round of testing?
[11:37] <Saviq> seb128, I don't think unity8's testplan was executed against it
[11:38] <Saviq> seb128, I'm in the process of landing another unity8 silo now
[11:38] <seb128> k :/
[11:38] <Saviq> seb128, will get onto the logout one asap
[11:38] <seb128> which means that one is going to need another rebuild/test round?
[11:39] <Saviq> seb128, yeah
[11:39] <Saviq> seb128, but just unity8-wise
[11:39] <seb128> right
[11:39] <Saviq> seb128, I'll take care of that today
[11:40] <seb128> Saviq, thanks
[11:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok. found the issue with the launcher icons
[11:54] <Saviq> mzanetti, local isn't it?
[11:55] <mzanetti> Saviq: so the thing is, that the UbuntuShape now seems to do stuff slower
[11:55] <mzanetti> Saviq: i.e. the Image gives me statusChanged to Ready
[11:55] <mzanetti> Saviq: but the Shape still paints the old one
[11:55] <mzanetti> then I update the ShaderEffectSource
[11:55] <mzanetti> and only at some point later the Shape would update
[11:55] <mzanetti> but my ShaderEffectSource is not updating any more
[11:56] <mzanetti> so not sure...
[11:56] <mzanetti> feels like a bug in UbuntuShape still
[11:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, hmm hmm
[11:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, we'd need a status on UbuntuShape then, wouldn't we
[11:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, you've a non-live Source there, right?
[11:56] <mzanetti> yep
[11:56] <mzanetti> statusChanged on the shape would help I guess
[11:57] <mzanetti> or - making it somewhat sync again, to be done when the Image emits statusChanged
[11:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, so I think it's fine that Image gives up Ready, because well... it is, but we'd need Shape to have a status as well
[11:57] <paulliu> Cimi: I don't know. Maybe the code will be smaller?
[11:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, or well, just make it live?
[11:57] <mzanetti> Saviq: hmm... should I?
[11:58] <mzanetti> Saviq: its all launcher icons
[11:58] <mzanetti> well, I could make it live while dragging for sure
[11:58] <mzanetti> will do that
[11:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, other than Shape having a status prop, not sure what else :|
[11:58] <Saviq> yeah, that ↑ should work fine
[11:59] <mzanetti> well, I know my way around
[11:59] <mzanetti> Saviq: just wanted to let you know and see if your opinion matches mine
[12:00] <Saviq> mzanetti, I think it should be fine live in any case
[12:00] <Saviq> mzanetti, since according to http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-shadereffectsource.html#live-prop
[12:00] <Saviq> mzanetti, it will only update whenever the actual item changes
[12:00] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah... sounds about right...
[12:00] <mzanetti> ok. will drop the non-live stuff
[12:01] <mzanetti> cheers
[12:40] <Saviq> mhr3, just thought of one more appearance prop that we might need to expose
[12:40] <Saviq> mhr3, icon key color for colourizing
[12:42] <Saviq> mhr3, since we default to #808080, if someone supplies an icon using that colour, it would be colourized
[13:05] <MacSlow> Saviq, did you file the bug regarding the input-blocking MouseArea of notifications yet?
[13:05] <Saviq> MacSlow, you didn't shout! ;)
[13:06] <MacSlow> Saviq, damn :)
[13:07] <MacSlow> Saviq, in turn I will then file a bug against xchat's new voice-amplification plugin ;)
[13:17] <Saviq> MacSlow, can still file one if you'd like, but not sure we really need it, feels like an unnecessary overhead
[13:18] <MacSlow> Saviq, organization-wise your call... I'll look into it anyway.
[13:18] <Saviq> MacSlow, yup, no bug then
[13:39] <Cimi> paulliu, ping
[13:39] <paulliu> Cimi: hi
[13:40] <paulliu> Cimi: I just removed the tags.
[13:40] <Cimi> paulliu, cool
[13:40] <paulliu> Cimi: I'm wondering where the tags comes from.
[13:40] <Cimi> paulliu, could you also add the margin when there is just the title?
[13:40] <Cimi> paulliu, or better
[13:40] <Cimi> paulliu, when there is no art or mascot
[13:41] <Cimi> paulliu, basically we always want the margin
[13:42] <paulliu> Cimi: isn't the current patch already done that?
[13:42] <paulliu> Cimi: I mean, if there's art or mascot, it generates the margin already on the other part.
[13:43] <paulliu> Cimi: And subtitle is following title's anchor.
[13:45] <mhr3> Saviq, colorizing what where?
[13:46] <Saviq> mhr3, foreground colour
[13:46] <Saviq> mhr3, affects emblem and attributes as well
[13:47] <Saviq> mhr3, but if someone supplies an icon that is actually meant to be #808080
[13:47] <mhr3> Saviq, so if i set it to red, what will be red?
[13:47] <Saviq> mhr3, that's the key color
[13:47] <Saviq> mhr3, if you set the key color to red, all the red in the image will be replaced with the foreground color
[13:48] <mhr3> ok, i see now
[13:48] <mhr3> why isn't that just using normal transparency?
[13:49] <mhr3> oh or is that like symbolic icons?
[13:52] <Saviq> mhr3, yes
[13:53] <Saviq> mhr3, it's for theme icons
[13:53] <Saviq> mhr3, basically flat monochrome icons are meant to have the same colour as the text
[13:54] <mhr3> right, don't think it will be used much, but yea, just add it to the json spec
[14:09] <pete-woods1> Saviq: hey, I pushed what I think is the right fix for the telephony-service break
[14:10] <pete-woods1> looks like it was caused by qt5.3
[14:11] <pete-woods> it added some UID checks which were confused by their LD_PRELOADed system library
[14:11] <Saviq> pete-woods, same MP?
[14:11] <pete-woods> yep
[14:11] <pete-woods> Saviq: can split if you want
[14:11] <Saviq> pete-woods, not my project ;)
[14:12] <Saviq> pete-woods, build kicked
[14:12] <pete-woods> Saviq: thanks :)
[14:16] <mhr3> Saviq, known that left swipe from an app to dash flickers?
[14:16] <dednick> Saviq: can i use url dispatcher in qml?
[14:17] <mhr3> Saviq, i mean, there isn't an animation anymore after the switch to 5.3
[14:17] <Saviq> dednick, Qt.openUrlExternally
[14:17] <Saviq> mhr3, I just filed a bug
[14:17] <dednick> Saviq: cool. thanks
[14:17] <Saviq> mhr3, bug #1333261
[14:18] <mhr3> thx
[14:20] <Saviq> mhr3, just dumped its importance to Medium, as this goes away with dash-as-app anyway..
[14:20] <Saviq> we'll probably just be bringing the dash from the left is all
[14:21] <mhr3> sounds reasonable
[14:22] <Saviq> not like we've design for it :|
[14:26] <MacSlow> Saviq, I made the regex-suggestion work and tests sofar look good... http://macslow.org/regex-icon-label-snap-decision.png
[14:27] <Saviq> MacSlow, cool, this will get us a bit more robustness for sure
[14:27] <MacSlow> Saviq, there are two examples skipping the icon... and one using a colon as part of the normal text.
[14:27] <Saviq> MacSlow, I can help you with the regex if you need
[14:28] <Saviq> but gotta run now, biab
[14:28] <MacSlow> Saviq, regarding the "gap" for the omitted icon... I'm not what the opinion of Design is... iirc they always want an icon for the comboList-entries.
[14:28] <MacSlow> Saviq, no the regex is fine.
[14:30] <paulliu> Cimi: seems the tags are coming from trunk.
[14:30] <Cimi> paulliu, remove them anyway
[14:33] <MacSlow> greyback, standup
[14:34] <dednick> Saviq: hmm Qt.openUrlExternally doesnt seem to work with url-dispatcher
[14:37] <dednick> Saviq: looks like we haven't got support in unity8. I'll add it to utils
[16:03] <Saviq> dednick, it's from QPA, no idea why it wouldn't work (and it should!)
[16:03] <Saviq> dednick, aren't we using it when activating stuff in indicators for example?
[16:04] <dednick> Saviq: it's done through indicator backend
[16:04] <Saviq> dednick, right, in any case, it should work, if it doesn't - it's a bug
[16:05] <Saviq> seb128, unity8 still didn't migrate, so logout is still blocked, I'll come back later tonight and will try and land it
[16:05] <dednick> Saviq: from qpa? as in qtubuntu?
[16:05] <seb128> Saviq, right, see -touch for unity8 not migrating
[16:05] <seb128> Saviq, needs some click revert
[16:05] <Saviq> dednick, yes
[16:05] <seb128> Saviq, don't bother about coming back, tomorrow is fine
[16:06] <seb128> Saviq, enjoy your evening ;-)
[16:06] <dednick> Saviq: openUrlExternally does not reside there (on tree search)
[16:06] <Saviq> dednick, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtubuntu/qtubunturl/+merge/181752
[16:06] <Saviq> dednick, it's Qt API exposed from QDesktopServices
[16:08] <dednick> Saviq: i c. hum. maybe doesnt work on desktop then
[16:08] <dednick> need to set qpa
[16:09] <mhr3> it falls back to regular xdg-open on desktop
[16:10] <Saviq> dednick, it should work even more on desktop ;)
[16:10] <Saviq> dednick, try a simple .qml with onCompleted: Qt.openUrlExternally("http://google.com")
[16:10] <Saviq> dednick, if that works, it should work in u8 just as well - if doesn't → bug! ;)
[16:11] <mhr3> Saviq, it will work, but won't go over ual
[16:11] <Cimi> Saviq, let me push without the padding fix
[16:11] <Cimi> Saviq, I'll fix when we get emblems in
[16:11] <Cimi> Saviq, and paul branch
[16:11] <Cimi> Saviq, or the worlds will collide
[16:11] <Cimi> it's an aeasy fix, I'll make the padding static possibly
[16:12] <Saviq> mhr3, sure
[16:12] <Saviq> Cimi, k
[16:13] <dednick> Saviq: http works
[16:13] <dednick> but custom url does now
[16:13] <dednick> *not
[16:13] <dednick> gvfs-open: dialer:///?view=liveCall: error opening location: The specified location is not supported
[16:13] <Saviq> dednick, ah, nothing handles those outside of the phone
[16:14] <dednick> Saviq: ah. but it'll work on phone?
[16:14] <Saviq> dednick, that will only work on the phone, as url-dispatcher is the one that knows these url schemes, xdg doesn't
[16:14] <dednick> Saviq: but i have url dispatcher installed on my desktop..
[16:14] <Saviq> dednick, still, you don't use the QPA which uses url dispatcher
[16:14] <Saviq> dednick, so it goes straight to xdg-open
[16:14] <dednick> Saviq: ah. i c
[16:16] <dednick> Saviq: hm. should i just "assume" it works on phone (test obviously) and go through Qt.openUrlExternally, or directly on the url-dispatcher?
[16:17] <dednick> since i've written a utils plugin component for it.
[16:18] <dednick> screw it. i'll use the qt function
[16:50] <kgunn> dednick: thanks for adding unit test to unity-mir trusted session
[16:50] <kgunn> unrelated topic, did the battery indicator drop the slider for for brightness ?
[16:52] <kgunn> charles: ^ ?
[16:58] <dednick> kgunn: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-power/trunk.14.10/revision/244
[16:58] <kgunn> ta
[17:00] <dednick> kgunn: although it looks like that decision has been reverted
[17:01] <charles> kgunn, yes but no. last week mpt and seb128 among others dicussed it and decided to reinstate the slider in indicator-power
[17:01] <dednick> kgunn, charles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1289470/comments/4
[17:01] <charles> kgunn, with the rationale being that it was something that needed quicker access than navigating through settings
[17:06] <greyback> dednick: hey I added some comments/questions to https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity-mir/trusted-sessions/+merge/223432
[17:06] <dednick> greyback: oh my, that's a long one. might have to wait for tomorrow morning ;)
[17:07] <greyback> dednick: still digesting it though, there's more to come
[17:07] <greyback> dednick: sure. I'm mostly worried about you creating unitymir::Session - I'm not sure why you need that. Anyway, there's no rush, we can take up that topic tomorrow
[17:11] <dednick> greyback: hm. it's juts a wrapper really. not much use. it used to do more, but i wasn't sure about holding a list of mir sessions in the app manager.
[17:11] <greyback> dednick: yeah, I'm not a fan of that either.
[17:12] <greyback> anyway, tomorrow!
[17:15] <dednick> greyback: huh. actually doens't look like i use the tracked sessions much anymore. Might be able to get rid of the lits alltogether. talk about it tomorrow.
[17:15] <dednick> s/lits/list
[17:15] <greyback> ack. Enjoy evening!
[17:16] <dednick> you too
[19:16] <kgunn> mterry: hey...you fixed the spinner eating cpu prob right ?
[19:16] <mterry> kgunn, yeah
[19:17] <mterry> kgunn, you asking that question makes me nervous  :)
[19:18] <kgunn> mterry: lemme look at one thing....
[19:24] <kgunn> mterry: so i was testing AlbertA's ppa of powerd-to-usc display blank changes....and saw spinner taking like 8%
[19:24] <kgunn> i just reverted the ppa & its still there
[19:24] <mterry> kgunn, the spinner shouldn't even be running
[19:24] <kgunn> i retested n4 with the ppa and it is fine...so i'm thinking this is an n10 specific issue
[19:24] <mterry> kgunn, and your unity-system-compositor is all upgraded?
[19:25] <mterry> kgunn, huh...  I haven't played with n10 for a while
[19:25] <mterry> That being a difference doesn't make sense to me though...
[19:25] <kgunn> mterry: yeah these are all devel-proposd images from today
[19:25] <kgunn> mterry: hang on...
[19:26] <kgunn> mterry: so weird...n10, if screen is off u-s-c is ~1.2% cpu
[19:26] <kgunn> with screen on it hovers around 7.5 to 9%
[19:27] <mterry> kgunn, oh wait, USC itself?
[19:27] <mterry> kgunn, sounds different from the spinner issue -- that's a separate process
[19:27] <mterry> Which is killed by USC when it's done
[19:27] <kgunn>  1459 root      20   0  182344  23716  19516 S   9.8  2.1   0:13.06 unity-system-compositor --spinner=/usr/bin/unity-system-c
[19:27] <mterry> kgunn, and separately, that CPU usage doesn't sound good, agreed
[19:27] <mterry> kgunn, yeah "spinner" will show up on the command line, but it's just passing a command for USC to run and then kill
[19:28] <kgunn> mterry: right...i did know that....
[19:28] <kgunn> mterry: which is why there is 1 usc...
[19:28] <kgunn> that takes arg spinner...
[19:28] <kgunn> sorry, just coming back to you only cause we had the problem last
[19:28] <kgunn> but maybe this is AlbertA's prob ?
[19:28] <kgunn> or who knows....maybe its been there
[19:28] <kgunn> and we've never noticed
[19:29] <kgunn> which is more likely, n10 power has always super-sucked
[19:29] <mterry> kgunn, on n10, I wouldn't know when it showed up.  I rarely boot up my n10
[19:29] <AlbertA> kgunn: can't think of anything that would cause it right now
[19:29] <mterry> Meaning, I wouldn't have noticed when it first started
[19:30] <kgunn> AlbertA: i'm willing to continue landing, log a bug...and assume this was a pre-existing condition
[19:41] <alberto_> kgunn: I see usc using 8-9% on a virigin image
[19:41] <alberto_> kgunn: I don't see spinner
[19:41] <alberto_> kgunn: just with adb shell top
[19:44] <mterry> alberto_, yeah that's the problem -- spinner is a red herring.  Looks like USC usage is too high
[19:46] <kgunn> kdub_: is there some reason usc might just churn on n10 ?
[19:47] <kdub_> I can't think of one
[19:48] <kdub_> might be interesting to turn on some of the mir logs (maybe rpc-report), and see if anything is talking to it
[19:48] <kdub_> or compositor-report if its suspected that we're drawing idly
[19:54] <alberto_> kgunn: is this with the screen off?
[19:56] <kgunn> alberto_: so with screen off, its like ~1.2%...screen on its ~7.5-9%
[19:56] <alberto_> kgunn: yeah, it's all the compositing thread
[19:56] <alberto_> kgunn: and the mali render thread
[19:56] <alberto_> kgunn: and unity8 is around 30% with screen on
[19:56] <alberto_> mostly in the QSGRenderThread
[19:56] <kgunn> alberto_: but even so...1.2% during screen off ?...what's it doing ?
[19:58] <alberto_> kgunn: I see 18% cpu on unity8 with screen off
[19:58] <alberto_> kgunn: so in usc I see most of it is in the main usc thread and mir/ipc handling thread
[19:59] <alberto_> kgunn: so mainloop + Ipc probably from being called by unity8
[19:59] <kgunn> alberto_: huh...my n10, screen off w/ ppa from silo20 on today's devel-proposed image consistently 1.2% with screen off
[19:59] <kgunn> alberto_: oh sorry...you said unity8
[19:59] <kgunn> yes...i see that too...
[19:59] <alberto_> yeah usc 1% unity8 18%
[20:00] <kgunn> alberto_: that's just crazy
[20:00] <alberto_> if you do top -H pid <pid> you can see which threads
[20:00] <mhall119> kgunn: ping
[20:01] <kgunn> mhall119: what's up?
[20:01] <kgunn> alberto_: that's still nuts...


[00:37] <bkerensa> pleia2: did you have a preference for when you might wanna do the publish training with JoseeAntonioR and I can sit in for a refresher if needed
[03:16] <JoseeAntonioR> guys, are there any soon-to-be-posted fridge news?
[04:01] <pleia2> bkerensa: we publish on Mondays, so if you're available on the 2nd we can review then
[04:01] <pleia2> the following Monday isn't good, we may actually have to push release to Tuesday
[04:03] <nhandler> pleia2: I might be available to help get it out the door on the 9th if needed
[04:03] <JoseeAntonioR> urgh, I'm not able on mondays
[04:04] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm only free on Monday the 9th
[04:04] <pleia2> nhandler: that may be needed :) I'm out of town July 4-9, but I'll have internet access so I can keep the process flowing through the weekend
[04:04] <pleia2> visiting family though, so it'll all be kinda crazy
[04:05] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: not available any mondays?
[04:05] <JoseeAntonioR> just on Monday the 9th, I won't go to school as it's Teacher's Day :D
[04:05]  * pleia2 will be on an airplane
[04:06] <pleia2> around in the evenings?
[04:06] <JoseeAntonioR> yep, can be on monday evenings
[04:06] <pleia2> (not the 9th, other evenings)
[04:06] <pleia2> ok, we can do it some monday evening then
[04:06] <JoseeAntonioR> I arrive home around 4pm your time
[04:06] <nhandler> pleia2: I'll be gone the Thursday-Saturday Morning, but I'll have internet access as well. So we can touch base and figure out if you want me to help publish
[04:07] <pleia2> nhandler: sounds good
[07:09] <bkerensa> dholbach: morning
[07:10] <bkerensa> dholbach: Have you put any thought into doing a live developer Q+A on hangout on air?
[07:10] <dholbach> bkerensa, yes, but I didn't get around to any of it yet
[07:10] <bkerensa> dholbach: ahh ok :)
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning :)
[07:11] <bkerensa> yeah and good night :)
[07:11] <bkerensa> have a good one
[07:11] <bkerensa> :D
[07:11] <dholbach> you too


[10:31] <zxmpi> allo allo
[10:58] <jlj_> Morning (just!)
[11:08] <zxmpi> it's saturday, morning has been extended till tea is made
[13:21] <webpigeon[m]> it's always morning somewhere
[13:36]  * penguin42 yaaawwwns


[01:27] <tohuw> What permissions are needed on a public samba share? I have nobody:nogroup 755. When I set it this way, I can create objects but not delete them (I receive permission denied errors). force user = nobody is set on the share. My smb.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/956471/ Permissions of directory and parents: http://paste.ubuntu.com/956505/
[01:28] <flaccid> there is also #samba
[01:31] <tohuw> flaccid: I know. I've asked there as well.
[01:35] <flaccid> samba gets annoying, so im kind of avoiding this one sorry
[02:31]  * txomon|home is away: Estoy ocupado
[07:51] <railsraider> i can;t get apache to install and work with the config a i copied from another server, says No apache MPM package installed
[08:11] <flaccid> railsraider: install it :)
[08:17] <lynxman-> morning o/
[08:21] <RoyK> railsraider: apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork
[08:21] <railsraider> i tired that it didn't work, complained about MPM is not installed
[08:22] <RoyK> just use the default config and move the custom parts
[08:22] <RoyK> did this config come from another os/distro?
[08:22] <railsraider> i am setting up 2 new servers based on running servers
[08:23] <RoyK> yeah but - same os/distro?
[08:23] <railsraider> i copied the config
[08:23] <RoyK> yeah but - same os/distro?
[08:23] <railsraider> let me double check
[08:23] <railsraider> i believe i did
[08:24] <twb> railsraider: have you read the Ubuntu Server Guide?
[08:24] <RoyK> !docs
[08:24] <railsraider> its the same distro 10.04
[08:24] <RoyK> railsraider: you're probably doing something funny, then
[08:25] <RoyK> how is apache configured on the old machine?
[08:25] <railsraider> what do you mean?
[08:25] <railsraider> apache2-mpm-prefork is already the newest version.
[08:25] <railsraider> sudo service apache2 start
[08:25] <railsraider> No apache MPM package installed
[08:26] <RoyK> well, what parts of apache is it you need? what modules? lots of vhosts?
[08:26] <twb> You should also install etckeeper last week, so that you can see what difference have been introduced before it broke
[08:26] <RoyK> it's probably easier to reconfigure the default install than to just move an existing config
[08:26] <RoyK> *AND* you should configure it by hand so that you *understand* what happens
[08:27] <railsraider> i don't know the config - i mean i understand it  but afraid I might skip something
[08:28] <railsraider> i can pastie the config
[08:29] <railsraider> basically i have 3 MPM modules mpm_event_module mpm_worker_module mpm_prefork_module
[08:31] <railsraider> every time i try to install one of those one of those that are already installed gets removed
[08:31] <railsraider> why?
[08:31] <twb> railsraider: because they're mutually exclusive
[08:32] <twb> You should use worker unless you need PHP
[08:32] <twb> This should be explained in the Ubuntu Server Guide -- have you read that yet?
[08:32] <railsraider> no
[08:32] <railsraider> i'll read that
[08:35] <railsraider> here's my apache.conf http://pastebin.com/rge6UhZr
[08:36] <twb> Looks OK to me
[08:39] <railsraider> from what i understand it needs all 3 modules of that MPM but I'm unable to install all 3
[08:45] <twb> railsraider: wrong
[08:51] <RoyK> railsraider: those are enabled once mpm is installed
[08:52] <railsraider> Setting up apache2-mpm-prefork (2.2.14-5ubuntu8.9) ...
[08:52] <railsraider> No apache MPM package installed
[08:53] <railsraider> that's after i did sudo apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork
[09:07] <RoyK> railsraider: erm - you need to use the default config
[09:07] <RoyK> railsraider: your current config is probably broken
[09:07] <RoyK> railsraider: so fix it...
[09:53] <spurkis> how do i only upgrade the security packages on my ubuntu 10.04 lts?
[09:57] <rbasak> spurkis: the easy way is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and everything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and make sure that only security is listed. The advanced way is to use pinning. See https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/package-management.html for a general guide, and the apt_preferences manpage for details on pinning.
[09:58] <spurkis> im thinking of doing the following: sudo aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
[09:59] <rbasak> spurkis: are you just trying to avoid upgrading to 12.04, or do you want to also avoid any stable release updates to 10.04?
[09:59] <rbasak> spurkis: if you're just trying to avoid upgrading to 12.04, you don't need to do anything different. It won't happen unless you edit your sources.list or run do-release-upgrade.
[10:00] <RoyK> I wouldn't upgrade to 12.04 yet
[10:00] <RoyK> iirc do-release-upgrade won't work on 10.04 LTS until 12.04.1 is released
[10:00] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:01] <ogra_> rbasak, hey, thanks for fixing the server install instructions (though its sad that you have to do michaels work)
[10:01] <Myrtti> and editing sources.list isn't recommended
[10:01] <KM0201> why will it not work until 12.04.1?
[10:01] <rbasak> You can run "do-release-upgrade -d" if you wish
[10:02] <rbasak> ogra_: no problem!
[10:03] <rbasak> (though I'm not sure when "-d" will start pointing to quantal as opposed to precise)
[10:11] <jamespage> rbasak, any thoughts on what we might do with openmpi this cycle?
[11:02] <brainysmurf> I need a directory on my machine to be a mount point to server via http, is there a command for that?
[11:09] <rbasak> jamespage: I think we should sync 1.5 from debian when they have it in sid. And keep syncing 1.4 from debian. Apart from that, I'm not sure that there's anything else we need to do.
[11:10] <jamespage> rbasak, do you know when 1.6 is planned for?
[11:10] <rbasak> "soon", IIRC, but I'm not sure if that'll be in time for Q
[11:10]  * rbasak checks
[11:13] <rbasak> jamespage: I can't find anything on expected 1.6 upstream release date. But I don't think we can really do anything further without input from stakeholders. I'll get ARM and some of the hardware vendors we're speaking to when we next speak to them.
[11:14] <jamespage> lol - sounds like a plan rbasak
[11:43] <koolhead17> hi all
[11:43] <koolhead17> zul, around?
[11:44] <koolhead17> https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/195073
[11:44] <koolhead17> how can i report a bug keeping/mentioning  only ubuntu-package?
[11:45] <koolhead17> this seems to be issue with ubuntu packaging
[11:46] <lynxman> koolhead17: too early for zul to be around ;)
[11:46] <koolhead17> lynxman, i 4got
[11:46] <koolhead17> gosh
[11:47] <Gallomimia> so the weekend has gone by. any huge issues with the new release? all going fine?
[11:47] <koolhead17> lynxman, i need help in filing bug, how can i explicitly mention that bug is with ubuntu-packaging not upstream
[11:47] <lynxman> koolhead17: fill it in the ubuntu package
[11:47] <Gallomimia> hey why is update-apt-xapi running at 78% cpu suddenly?
[11:47] <Gallomimia> i didn't say it should run
[11:47] <lynxman> koolhead17: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova
[11:48] <koolhead17> lynxman, you rock. thanks a lot :)
[11:48] <lynxman> koolhead17: np
[12:12] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm currently working on the LXC plenary for UDS, I'll ping you later when most of the slides are ready so you can have a look and catch what I forgot to mention :)
[12:25] <Gallomimia> https://launchpad.net/bugs/798462
[12:25] <Gallomimia> sad panda :(
[12:31] <strtotime> I installed a fresh copy of precise and copied my (lucid) .ssh to my home directory but I can't login using keys. I found out (with -vvv) that it expects the key now to be a DSA key so i changed the ssh_config to read id_rsa and the key gets sent but the server is not accepting it (And I can't get a password now to check what's wrong on the server) .. Any ideas?
[12:32] <strtotime> OpenSSH version on Lucid is 5.3p1 while on Precise it's 5.9p1
[12:35] <zul> good morning
[12:37] <strtotime> Never mind. I was using the wrong user! Cheers~
[13:47] <hallyn> stgraber: sounds good
[13:57] <rbasak> m_3: good morning! Do you have a blueprint for charm testing? I thought charm testing on ARM using MAAS might be a work item for you. What do you think, and do you have a blueprint it could go into? There's servercloud-q-arm-deployment to cover juju on ARM and MAAS at the moment.
[13:58] <m_3> rbasak: hey man
[14:00] <m_3> rbasak: I suggested a bunch to the list last week... following up with the actual blueprints later this morning.  I'll ping you when I find or submit the charmtesting one
[14:02] <rbasak> m_3: OK, thanks. Would you be willing to take a charm testing on ARM work item, and if so, do you think it should go into the charm testing blueprint or into the arm deployment blueprint?
[14:03] <m_3> rbasak: yeah, I'm happy to help with it... probablyl won't have the bandwidth to own the whole thing
[14:05] <rbasak> m_3: great, thanks!
[14:08] <m_3> rbasak: please make a note that we should get together over uds and talk about the hw available for charm testing
[14:08] <m_3> rbasak: that's the biggest unknown for me
[14:08] <rbasak> m_3: sure
[14:45] <stgraber> hallyn: just saw your e-mail about mounting something into a running container (and matching blog post). Do you think we can/should implement something similar to OpenVZ's way of dealing with that?
[14:46] <stgraber> hallyn: they basically have the equivalent of /var/lib/lxc/<container>/rootfs and /var/lib/lxc/<container>/mount
[14:46] <stgraber> hallyn: where /mount is only populated while the container is running and shows the actual running rootfs (with all the mounts that happened there)
[14:47] <stgraber> hallyn: mounting anything in /var/lib/lxc/<container>/mount would make it appear in the container
[14:48] <Ztane> so happy, neither euca-bundle-vol nor ec2-bundle-vol seem to work now
[14:49] <grendal-prime> hey guys im using ntop for monitoring a single box.  It works really nice...and its easy to setup.  I have a question though about a few different protocols it monitors
[14:49] <grendal-prime> is anyone familiar with Ntop?
[14:50] <hallyn> stgraber: yeah, that sounds good.  we can discuss that vs the /shared option at uds.
[14:51] <stgraber> hallyn: yep
[14:51] <grendal-prime> some time back i changed the way some of my scripts work. (im doing alot of heavy moving of files)  after this the over all ip decreased.  However the Bytes sent stayed the same
[14:51] <stgraber> hallyn: will add a note to the spec so I don't forget about it ;)
[14:51] <hallyn> stgraber: we'd also be getting rid of the hack where we currently build mounts unde r/var/lib/lxc
[14:51] <hallyn> make tha t/usr/lib/lxc
[14:52] <hallyn> so i like it
[14:52] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, that'd be a lot less confusing ;) I'm sure some people must have been wondering wth was happening when apparmor would block the mount and the path would show /usr/lib/lxc/... :)
[14:55] <stgraber> hallyn: done. I also moved all the topics into the whiteboard, some were still in the blueprint description. Looks like that'll be a busy session (and I'm sure the list will get bigger)
[14:58] <hallyn> stgraber: I wonder if we can pick an evening for a lxc hackfest, so that during the blueprint session we can just discuss what we want to do, and defer implementation discussions (and bikeshedding) to the hackfest/deepdive
[14:59] <hallyn> GAH!  I just found out dlezcano won't be at uds
[14:59] <stgraber> hallyn: sounds good. Who else do we have at UDS who usually hacks on LXC?
[15:00] <stgraber> yeah, I figured as much when I saw it wasn't a shared Linaro event this time around...
[15:01] <stgraber> I see we have a lot less activities planned in the evenings this time around too, we basically seem to be free Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday evening (though I guess we'll have a team dinner one of these)
[15:12] <hallyn> stgraber: I'm not sure there'll be anyone else, in that case.  Unless we can entice zul :)
[15:13] <zul> hallyn: is there going to be alcohol involved?
[15:17] <hallyn> zul: evening hackfest?  yes.
[15:17] <zul> hallyn: i could be presuaded yes..
[15:17] <hallyn> unfortunately i'm not international so i can't pick up a bottle fo scotch duty-free
[15:18] <grendal-prime> dont they make duty filters?
[15:18] <grendal-prime> i would hope so
[15:20] <mand0> i updated my ubuntu server from 11.10 to 12.04 and now I get emails from apticron showing 144 updates are available but they have already been installed. Any suggestions?
[16:02] <JonEdney> Hey, does anyone know of a "VirtualBox" type program (or a way for VirtualBox) to be set up to work for dual boot and be accessed by both?
[16:03] <patdk-wk> virtualbox or vmware workstations should both do that fine
[16:05] <JonEdney> I installed 12.04 server on a virtual box to mess around with, but for work (I work from home) I have to run Windows, I'll have to take a look.
[16:06] <JonEdney> Didn't have time to go through settings or anything, so I figured I'd ask in here, everyone seems pretty knwoladgeable (except me :P)
[16:14] <wiherek> Hi
[16:16] <wiherek> i need a short consultation :) basically, I am setting up hosting for a webshop. I have nginx set up with varnish, mysql and all that. Now I need a mail server. So went with this tutorial: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ which basically makes me install postfix, courier and a lot of AV / spamfilters etc
[16:16] <wiherek> however, I came across this section
[16:17] <wiherek> where I need to provide my smtp server details. and now I wonder whether I should make my own smtp server
[16:19] <ahxcjb> if you're having to ask whether you should create your SMTP server, you're probably not in a position to run an smtp server
[16:22] <wiherek> thanks for the advice man
[16:54] <tarvid> after upgrading to 12.04 vsftpd stops - respawning too fast
[16:54] <tarvid> I kept my old configuration file
[17:06] <tarvid> ok
[17:10] <tarvid> any idea where to start on this mess - http://pastebin.com/M0Ddxydd
[17:25] <zul> tarvid: check your config file against the packaged version perhaps?
[17:27] <tarvid> I have zillions of errors in configuration
[17:28] <drPoO> is it possible to upgrade to 12.04 LTS from a 10.04 LTS without having to go through the intermediate upgrades?
[17:29] <med_> yes. LTS TO LTS is supported.
[17:29] <drPoO> med_ I tried a do-release-upgrade and "No new release was found"
[17:30] <med_> drPoO, did you apt-get update first?
[17:30] <drPoO> My  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades has as Propmt=lts
[17:30] <drPoO> yup
[17:30] <drPoO> ill try again
[17:30] <med_> I did a direct upgrade just prior to release. I'll see if I can still do that.
[17:30] <rbasak> I think do-release-upgrade isn't intended to work by default until 12.04.1 is released
[17:30] <med_> (prior to release I had to add the -d flag, shouldn't be necessary now.)
[17:31] <rbasak> I'm not sure how to force it. Will "do-release-upgrade -d" still work, or would that upgrade to Q?
[17:31] <med_> rbasak, really? I was not aware of that.
[17:31]  * med_ tests on a vm.
[17:31]  * rbasak could be wrong
[17:32] <drPoO> so should I wait for 12.04.1?
[17:33] <rbasak> drPoO: that's entirely up to you. You should be able to upgrade now though, and the only changes to the system will be security updates and only bugfixes for bugs deemed severe enough.
[17:35] <med_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuServer#From_10.04_to_12.04
[17:35] <med_> does recommend the first point release.
[17:35] <med_> and it requires the -d flag.
[17:37] <drPoO> rbasak, so I would have to run do-release-upgrade -d?
[17:40] <rbasak> drPoO: yes. see med_'s link for instructions
[17:40] <drPoO> thank you
[17:52] <arosales> utlemming: do you have the bug number handy for http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20357/servercloud-q-cloud-imgages/ not getting scheduled correctly?
[17:53] <arosales> jcastro:  was going to take a look and see if that can be moved to Mon/tuesday per attendees availability
[17:57] <arosales> utlemming: does tuesday, 16:15 work for servercloud-q-cloud-imgages/
[17:58] <utlemming> arosales: no, it needs to be earlier...I think their plane leaves at 5:00pm
[17:59] <RoyK> drPoO: if it's a production machine and there's nothing you really need in 12.04, just wait
[17:59] <arosales> jcastro: looks like it may need to be earlier
[17:59] <arosales> utlemming: what date/time would be optimal?
[17:59] <RoyK> that is, if there's nothing you really need in 12.04, never mind upgrading at all :P
[18:00] <utlemming> arosales: 10 or so?
[18:02] <jcastro> utlemming: ok on it
[18:02] <arosales> jcastro: thanks
[18:03] <jcastro> utlemming: tuesday 0900?
[18:03] <utlemming> jcastro: that works
[18:03] <jcastro> sound good? that'll give people plenty of slack
[18:10] <ChmEarl> want to upgrade oneiric to precise. Can I change the suite name in sources.list, then apt-gte distro-upgrade?
[18:13] <three18ti> ok, here's one...  I have an 11.10 x86_64 guest running on a Windows 08 R2 Hyper-V host, everything works OK except I have duplicate drive /dev/sda and /dev/hda with identical uuids.  how do I get ubuntu to stop recognizing one of the drives?
[18:15] <three18ti> here's the disk info http://paste.scsys.co.uk/195440
[18:28] <andy2012_80> hello
[18:28] <three18ti> hello.
[18:28] <three18ti> o/
[18:28] <andy2012_80> anyone using postfix on centos????
[18:28] <three18ti> wrong channel.  but yes.
[18:29] <andy2012_80> thanx, have a lot of questions, administering postfix but have a mailq defunct issue and I always solve that by doing a shutdown
[18:30] <andy2012_80> what channel must  I join to get knowledge in how to administer the right way my server?
[18:30] <RoyK> #centos?
[18:30] <RoyK> or #postfix
[18:30] <RoyK> or something
[18:30] <three18ti> I would look for a #centos
[18:30] <three18ti> channel
[18:32] <andy2012_80> ok, got it
[18:32] <andy2012_80> thank you so much,..
[18:34] <RoyK>
[18:44] <smoser> hallyn, is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-dnsmasq-lxc-libvirt really worth a session?
[18:44] <smoser> it seems fairly clear to me that dnsmasq should bind to localhost only.
[18:45] <hallyn> smoser: clear to you, and if stgraber agrees with you then we don't need a session
[18:45] <hallyn> but there did seem to be some people disagreeing
[18:45] <smoser> clear to me, clear to you, clear to upstream libvirt ..
[18:45] <smoser> i did not see disagreemtn.
[18:45] <hallyn> libvirt != dnsmasq packagers
[18:46] <hallyn> someone, i don't remember where, said it was not the right answer
[18:46] <smoser> well, knowing who and what the complaint was would be useful
[18:46] <smoser> :)
[18:46] <hallyn> it's in one of the relevant bugs
[18:48] <hallyn> smoser: the libvirt ppl aren't just saying bind dnsmasq to localhost only.  they're also saying to not run a separate dnsmasq for libvirt (and lxc)
[18:49] <smoser> ah. i see.
[18:49] <smoser> that would seem more entailed to me.
[18:49] <smoser> but that does seem pretty smooth in dnsmasq.
[18:57] <hallyn> smoser: I still don't mind skipping a whole session if I can get yourself and stgraber to meet with me for 10 mins to chat about it :)
[19:05] <stgraber> hallyn: so what's the current state of the discussion? if it's still to ship a dnsmasq.d config for lxc and depend on dnsmasq instead of dnsmasq-base, I'm still against it but cyphermox and I have been discussing some other ways of working around the current conflicts with multiple resolvers installed on the same machine
[19:05] <stgraber> hallyn: the easiest being to bind <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:07] <hallyn> stgraber: doing that in main dnsmasq package you mean?
[19:08] <stgraber> hallyn: still catching up on the bugs, I've heard so many ways around it that I'm not sure what's currently proposed as a fix :)
[19:09] <stgraber> hallyn: is the current proposed fix to restrict dnsmasq spawned by /etc/init.d/dnsmasq to only listen on <IP_ADDRESS>? if so, I'm not against it as I don't really care about that package but dealing with upgrades will be fun (if anyone actually uses dnsmasq for external queries)
[19:15] <hallyn> stgraber: exactly (so many ways around it) that's why I wanted input in a session :)
[19:16] <hallyn> <IP_ADDRESS> is smoser's proposed fix, yes.  i'm happy with it, but that means little
[19:16] <stgraber> hallyn: I'd suggest dropping that blueprint and I'll add a generic dnsmasq entry to the networking blueprint I'll register later today/tomorrow
[19:16] <hallyn> sounds good.  i wonder how i drop a blueprint :)
[19:17] <stgraber> because that problem affects LXC/libvirt but also other things like LTSP users using dnsmasq for dns/dhcp/tftp and desktop users who since 12.04 have dnsmasq for their local resolver
[19:17] <hallyn> so, i do use dnsmasq for remote queries (when my laptop is a bridge for a wired-only server laptop), but not sure it would affect me as i'm pretty sure i specify the nic by hand
[19:17] <stgraber> we need to either find a way to have all of these to play nicely or find a way to get a single dnsmasq covering all our use cases and controlled by the various daemons (not very likely)
[19:18] <hallyn> stgraber: can you subscribe me to the blueprint you're adding it to?
[19:18] <stgraber> sure
[19:18] <hallyn> i don't have much to say, just don't want to be surprised if/when there are changes to lxc/libvirt needed
[19:18] <hallyn> thanks
[19:18] <hallyn> Daviey: are you around?
[19:32] <Psi-Jack> Bah, now I'm pissed! What's WRONG with Oracle to stop permitting OS distribution? Are they just trying to kill Java?
[19:32] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here used apache2-mpm-worker ?  I'm getting hit really hard on a box and realized it's running prefork - which, to my understanding, is slower than worker.  Right?
[19:32] <Psi-Jack> Correct
[19:34] <Psi-Jack> FunnyLookinHat: Is Baidu spider hitting you?
[19:35] <FunnyLookinHat> Psi-Jack, yeah
[19:35] <FunnyLookinHat> you too?
[19:35] <FunnyLookinHat> I can't nail it down...
[19:36] <Psi-Jack> http://www.netnuisance.net/ip/se.php
[19:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Also - I've heard worker can screw up mod_php - is that true?
[19:36] <Psi-Jack> Firewall out each of those, and you're golden.
[19:36] <Psi-Jack> FunnyLookinHat: It doesn't work with mod_php, at all.
[19:36] <Psi-Jack> YOu have to run PHP with worker through fcgid.
[19:37] <FunnyLookinHat> ah
[19:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok - soon as I get into my server I'm going to just iptables them out
[19:37] <FunnyLookinHat> lol
[19:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Too bad I can't login right now... :-/
[19:37] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
[19:38] <FunnyLookinHat> Thanks a bunch Psi-Jack  :D
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Psi-Jack, just to check... I should be doing this for the IP ranges provided:    iptables -A INPUT -s <IP_ADDRESS>/18 -j DROP
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> been a while since I did iptables  :-/
[19:47] <FunnyLookinHat> And will those persist through reboot if I add them that way ?
[19:47] <stgraber> hallyn: I marked your blueprint as superseded by the foundations one. That way we also get a link to the new one for free :)
[19:48] <Psi-Jack> yea
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> err -    -I
[20:15] <hallyn> stgraber: cool, thanks
[21:04] <RamJett> Is there any major benefit running MAAS if only about 20% of system are going to be Ubuntu. The rest are Genoo
[21:05] <lifeless> depends
[21:05] <lifeless> if you have 5 machines, no :)
[21:05] <lifeless> if you have 5000, definitely.
[21:05] <lifeless> the more the merrier
[21:08] <RamJett> yeah. It will probably only be 5 Ubuntu boxes running OpenStack. The rest will be pre-existing Gentoo boxes and new virtual boxes in OpeStack
[21:28] <rbasak> RamJett: AIUI, MAAS+juju is the easiest way of deploying OpenStack. It'd probably be worth it just for that.
[21:32] <RamJett> rbasak: Yeah I took a look at that, but it want you to install 11 nodes. I only really need 3 Ubuntu boxes.
[21:32] <three18ti> I second rbasak, however, it requires some patience.
[21:32] <three18ti> RamJett, minimum OpenStack install is 6 servers.
[21:32] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here have a sec to check my saved iptables?  I'm restoring this on reboot, but wanted to make sure these drops will actually get hit and not be redirected prematurely
[21:33] <FunnyLookinHat> http://pastebin.com/BrUgPm3h
[21:34] <RamJett> I have it running on 1 but plan on 3. I have manually set it up.


[18:49] <chillindave> I need some advice before making a revision do a document.  The command shown is apparently out-dated, but I'm not sure at what point it no longer works.
[18:49] <chillindave> So do I just add the new command below it or replace it?
[19:03] <ZachK_> Research the command and cross check it with the one currently listed
[21:03] <mewshi> is there anything that needs done right now?  Anything that needs sifted through?  Give me something to do, please.
[21:58] <amereservant> mewshi, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[21:58] <amereservant> Looks like that needs some work.  If I knew how to do it correctly, I would've done some cleaning on it myself.
[22:17] <mewshi> if you knew how to do what correctly?  set up samba? Or edit it?
[22:50] <skierpage> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu seems wrong.  It says you can upgrade to 10.04 from System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates , but I've been running that for two days and it's not offered me "Distribution upgrade available".
[22:51] <skierpage> The system tray offer is there and update-notifier-kde -u work, but Ad and Remove Software doesn't.
[22:58] <skierpage> james147, interesting.  I have the system tray upgrade offer icon and update-notifier-kde -u works, but Add and Remove Software doesn't.