[15:37] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: 64bit desktop image is oversized. We are supposed to be testing these final images now. The release team would like testing finished by Friday night, if possible. Can you take a look at the image, please?
[15:38] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: pitti fixed it today
[15:38] <mr_pouit> (removed italian langpack)
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Great! Thank you


[18:52]  * dzho reads with interest
[18:54] <dzho> andygraybeal: I used to use Request Tracker (RT) back in the day.  It's written in python.
[18:55] <dzho> you started your question with hardware management, but the things you're looking at are request tracking/help desk/CRM type stuff all the way up to full blown ERP and ...
[18:55]  * dzho starts mumbling about not really knowing what some of this stuff is
[18:55] <dzho> drupal sounds pretty heavy, also ugh PHP
[18:56] <dzho> odoo is python at least
[18:56] <dzho> I tell myself if I ever get around to setting up another tracker, I'll set up Roundup.
[18:57] <dzho> huh,  I see that Ohlo is now OpenHUB
[18:58] <dzho> what's up with that?
[19:08] <andygraybeal> i used to use RT also!  i love RT
[19:08] <andygraybeal> yea, i've been lookign at openerp and otrs
[19:27] <andygraybeal> aaah okay i see what you are saying
[19:27] <andygraybeal> i forgot what i wrote even
[19:28] <andygraybeal> roundup, i'll have a look at it
[20:15] <andygraybeal> i guess what i'm after is something that does inventory
[20:15] <andygraybeal> with customer relations
[20:16] <andygraybeal> yea, and issue / time tracking would be good
[20:16] <andygraybeal> i don't mind drupal so much from a end-user point of view
[20:16] <belkinsa> Would alfresco work?
[20:16] <andygraybeal> document management?
[20:17] <belkinsa> Oh, never mind.
[20:17] <andygraybeal> i've played with alfresco to manage document lifecycles!
[20:17] <belkinsa> Is a good one?
[20:17] <andygraybeal> i can't remember if i configured the ldap part of it or not.
[20:18] <andygraybeal> i can't say if it is good or not... i think depending on what you needed
[20:18] <andygraybeal> it was fun a bit
[20:18] <andygraybeal> i always get a little upset at the hybrid community / commercial aspect... but that's just me.
[20:19] <andygraybeal> like i'd read how to do something, then realize later that it is only in the commercial version
[20:19] <andygraybeal> i understand the model though, to bring in revenue, so i'm not mad at that
[20:20] <andygraybeal> i guess if i was more familiar with it that lack of understanding would go away and i could relate to the app better
[20:21] <andygraybeal> dzho, i know i mentioned  hardware management, but i want something to do more than that
[20:22] <andygraybeal> i guess not even hardware management, just inventory of the hardware that my customers have, so i could refer to it when they have problems.
[20:22] <andygraybeal> soi don't have to re-ask them model numbers of everything


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[17:12] <mup> Issue operator#407 closed: Have a quick "what you should look for" as packaging docs <Created by jameinel> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/407>
[17:12] <mup> PR operator#511 closed: Added a much more explanatory docstring to the module <Created by jnsgruk> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/511>


[17:54] <pavlushka> godd day Kilos
[17:54] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[17:55] <pavlushka> How is your family?


[02:49] <magcius> how do I make a branch on a project from the command line?
[02:50] <daker> create a folder "your projet"
[02:50] <daker> then $ cd project
[02:50] <daker> $ bzr init
[02:51] <lifeless> magcius: a branch of an existing project? Or initialise a new project?
[02:51] <magcius> lifeless: an existing project
[02:51] <magcius> daker: um
[02:51] <lifeless> daker: ^ an important question to ask, init should only ever be done once per project :)
[02:51] <lifeless> magcius: bzr branch source destination
[02:51] <magcius> lifeless: yes, I have that
[02:52] <lifeless> magcius: or, if you're using switch, you can do 'bzr switch -b destination'
[02:52] <magcius> lifeless: if I branched lp:foo
[02:52] <magcius> lifeless: how do I push to lp:~jstpierre/foo
[02:52] <magcius> lifeless: and create a new branch on the remote
[02:52] <daker> lifeless, sorry
[02:52] <lifeless> magcius: exactly! bzr push lp:~jstpierre/foo
[02:52] <lifeless> magcius: except that foo needs to be project/branch
[02:53] <lifeless> magcius: e.g. bzr push lp:~jstpierre/PROJECTNAME/BRANCHNAME
[02:53] <magcius> lifeless: ~jstpierre/foo is too short to be a branch name.
[02:53] <magcius> lifeless: uh, what do people usually name their forks?
[02:53] <magcius> lifeless: er, branches
[02:53] <nigelb> magcius: depends on what it does
[02:54] <lifeless> magcius: they usually choose a name indicating the intent
[02:54] <magcius> nigelb: it just adds new features that I want them to pull from
[02:54] <lifeless> magcius: like lp:~jstpierre/PROJECTNAME/myfeatures
[02:54] <nigelb> Id name something like jstpierre/foo/newfeatures
[02:54] <magcius> uh... ok
[02:54] <daker> lifeless, i have a problem with milstones https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3
[02:54]  * magcius is going to name it foo/master
[02:55] <daker> lp created a tree milstones with the same name
[02:55] <daker> i delete one but the 2 others i can't delete them
[02:57] <lifeless> daker: whomever created them can delete them
[02:57] <lifeless> daker: failing that, gmb might be able to help you
[02:58] <lifeless> (they are the current help contact, according to the topic)
[02:59] <daker> oki
[03:19] <wgrant> daker: They don't all have the same name -- why do you want to delete them?
[03:20] <wgrant> And what happens when you tr?
[03:20] <wgrant> +y
[03:20] <daker> actualy i can't create a milstone with "0.3"
[03:20] <daker> 0.3beta
[03:21] <wgrant> Why not?
[03:21] <daker> and the 0.3beta dosen't exist https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/+milestone/0.3beta
[03:22] <wgrant> What does it say when you try and fail to create it?
[03:23] <daker> oki oki i think lp is showing them
[03:23] <daker> it works
[03:24] <daker> thanks wgrant lifeless
[04:45] <kermiac> anyone else having rendering issues in FF using LP edge? Using edge server I get http://imgbin.org/images/1847.png. If I temporarily disable edge it renders properly - http://imgbin.org/images/1848.png
[04:46] <kermiac> I've verified it on 2 diff computers (using 2 diff versions of Ubuntu - 10.04 & 9.04). The 9.04 PC doesn't have lp-firefox-improvements installed, so that's not the issue
[04:47] <thumper> kermiac: yes, edge has css fubared
[04:47] <thumper> kermiac: fix has landed and will be re-rolled with the next edge rollout
[04:47] <kermiac> thanks thumper, it's a known issue then?
[04:47] <thumper> yep
[04:48] <kermiac> ok, awesome.. just making sure it was known. thanks thumper :)
[04:48] <thumper> np
[07:59] <MTecknology> I'm a member of team A, Team A is a member of Team B, Team B is a member of Team C, Team C gets a lot of email that I'm not too intersted in. Is there any way to not have to receive email from that specific team?
[08:45] <magcius> do merge requests track the branch if there are commits after?
[08:49] <james_w> yes
[08:50] <james_w> the diff won't update in response to target branch changes, but will in response to source branch changes.
[08:52] <ansgar> Is there any reason why accessing Launchpad over the API always requires having to authenticate (and create an account first) when the same information is visible on the web site for the public?
[08:53] <james_w> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/anonymous-access-to-the-launchpad-web-service-api
[08:54] <noodles775> or https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib#Anonymous access  :)
[08:56] <ansgar> Does this safe me from having to use OAuth when I don't use launchpadlib? As far as I know that is only available for Python.
[08:57] <james_w> oauth is available for lots of languages
[09:01] <james_w> but I believe that it still requires oauth
[09:01] <james_w> http://oauth.net/code/
[09:01] <ansgar> Hmm, that means more time investment in having to understand OAuth before as well :/
[09:23] <maxb> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/112695 has expired whilst waiting for losa intervention, and I don't seem to have the powers to reopen it
[09:24]  * mthaddon updates it
[11:25] <apw> can someone comment on whether there is a timescale for fixing bug #451390
[12:25] <deryck> apw, there is no plan for fixing that soon (i.e. next 3 months).  I'll take a look and re-triage.
[12:26] <apw> deryck, its a most annoying bug for anyone who has upload rights via a group, as they have to hastle a coredev every single time they want to approve a nomination
[12:27] <deryck> apw, understood.  I'll see what I can do to get it scheduled.
[12:30] <deryck> apw, I've tagged it into my bug list that I watch for bugs we need to fix sooner rather than later.  There's still a bit of time on this list before we schedule, just due to the number of bugs we have and feature work...
[12:30] <deryck> apw, but this should get it queued to get fixed sooner than later.
[14:19] <jaminc> is there a maximum file size for bug report attachments in Launchpad?  I ask because almost every attempt to report a kernel crash dump fails with an HTTP 500 message and manually attempting to upload the crash file results in a "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server."
[14:27] <mrevell> gmb, Can you answer jaminc? ^^^#
[14:27] <alf__> Hi all. Is there a way to re-upload the same package (same name) to a PPA if eg the first attempt failed to build for some reason?
[14:29] <oojah> alf__: You'll need to change the version number at least.
[14:29] <noodles775> alf__: not if it was processed..., as oojah said.
[14:30] <noodles775> alf__: for that reason, it's always a good idea to build it locally (using pbuilder) if possible - it'll help identify build failures before you upload.
[14:45] <gmb> mrevell, jaminc: I'm not aware of an upload limit on bug attachments, but it wouldn't surprise me.
[14:46] <gmb> I'll look now
[14:50] <gmb> jaminc, I can't find reference to a limit anywhere. Can you file a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/malone so that we can track this properly? The response you're getting sounds as though something's going wrong.
[14:51] <jaminc> gmb, will do... the files are rather large 300M+, some as large as 2.5G so far
[14:51] <gmb> jaminc, Hmm. Yeah, that's on the heavy side :)
[14:51] <gmb> still, LP should handle that better.
[14:52] <gmb> jaminc, It may be worth asking in the #ubuntu-qa channel about how they generally handle uploads of that size.
[14:52] <jaminc> gmb, while on the heavy side for normal reports, 300M is on the low side for kernel crashes
[14:52] <gmb> jaminc, True. So, you're likely hitting a bug.
[14:56] <jaminc> gmb, seems it's a LONG standing bug #95822
[14:57] <gmb> jaminc, Okay, please mark yourslef affected by that and add a comment describing your situation so we can try to chase it down further.
[17:52] <MAfifi> I've a problem.
[17:52] <MAfifi> I've created some projects on launchpad. Now when I review my page of projects, I see one additional project that doesn't belong to me.
[17:53] <MAfifi> Clicking this project's link leads me to its page, but it's no code or anything else attached to it.
[18:00] <bac`> MAfifi: what is your lp user id?
[18:01] <bac`> MAfifi: are you in any teams?
[18:05] <barry> why would a package in a ppa be marked as deleted for many days, and not actually get deleted?
[18:08] <MAfifi> bac: My user ID is mohammed-elafifi.
[18:08] <MAfifi> And I don't belong to any teams; I was the original creator of all my projects.
[18:10] <bac> MAfifi: which project do you see that is in error?
[18:11] <MAfifi> bac: "photo slideshow".
[18:11] <MAfifi> bac: This error has a story actually.
[18:12] <bac> MAfifi: it shows you registered that project and are the maintainer.
[18:12] <MAfifi> bac: I originally wanted to create the project "mobile photo slideshow application" so I filled in the information in the creation page and named it "photo slideshow".
[18:13] <MAfifi> Then when I pressed submit, I got an error message that a project with this name "photo slideshow" already exists. It asked me to change the name.
[18:14] <MAfifi> bac: So I changed it to "mobile photo slideshow application" as it's now and worked on that new name.
[18:14] <MAfifi> bac: However it seemed a project with the old name was created somehow and attached to my account.
[18:14] <MAfifi> It might be a bug in launchpad system, but the procedure for reproducing it isn't straight.
[18:15] <bac> MAfifi: i don't know how the two projects got created.  if you do not want the one called 'slideshow' i can disable it now.  is that what you want?
[18:16] <MAfifi> bac: Yes, if it'll disappear from my list, that's OK for me.
[18:16] <MAfifi> bac: As I'll never commit code on it.
[18:17] <MAfifi> bac: I already add any enchancements/fixes to the one with the other name.
[18:17] <mhall119> So I was impatient and created a project when I should have just created a new series on an existing project, how do I delete the unnecessary project in Launchpad?
[18:20] <MAfifi> bac: It now disappreared, thanks for your help.
[18:32] <bdrung> hi, i wanted to setup a code import for eclipse. the corresponding command is "cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org:/cvsroot/eclipse/ co .", but launchpad complains about the module ".": The CVS module contains illegal characters.
[18:32] <bdrung> is there an way to work around this issue?
[18:33] <bdrung> second request: can someone remove https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/eclipse/trunk ?
[18:37] <maxb> I can, but what's wrong with it?
[18:39] <maxb> About your "." question, I feel dubious about the validity of importing the entire repository into a single bzr branch
[18:41] <maxb> bdrung: ^
[18:43] <jcastro> is there a way in malone to see which people have reported a bug for a certain project?
[18:43] <jcastro> abentley: howdy, how are things looking?
[18:43] <bdrung> maxb: we need 287 directories from there. i don't want to import each manually
[18:44] <deryck> jcastro, so a way to see who has filed bugs against malone, for example?
[18:44] <jcastro> deryck: I want to see everyone who has ever reported a bug on "indicator-appmenu" for example
[18:44] <maxb> bdrung: What do you need them for? I have great difficulty believing that an all-in-one bzr branch would actually be useful
[18:46] <deryck> jcastro, we don't have a way to get at that from the web UI.  You could go the round about way in the API, but there isn't a nice getBugReporters method or some such.
[18:46] <jcastro> ok no worries, thanks for the help deryck!
[18:47] <bdrung> maxb: we need them for building eclipse. we have a script that checkout these directories for a release, but for building daily builds we need an all-in-one bzr branch (all-in-287 bzr branches won't work)
[18:47] <deryck> jcastro, np!
[18:47] <bdrung> maxb: compare http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/ with http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-java/eclipse.git;a=tree;f=eclipse/plugins;h=f00e93691fc47438bb7b425f062d1e91bf9db481;hb=HEAD
[18:49] <maxb> interesting. I guess Launchpad needs to be changed to allow "." as a module, and then we need to hope cscvs won't fall over
[18:50] <bdrung> maxb: the "module" selection is done in the CVS path: for example ":pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org:/cvsroot/eclipse/" vs "-d:pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org:/cvsroot/webtools/"
[18:51] <bdrung> maxb: should i open a bug report. if yes, against which project
[18:51] <maxb> No, module has a specific meaning in connection with CVS, and it's not the -d bit.
[18:52] <maxb> And yes, it appears that a bug "Launchpad disallows valid CVS module of '.' from being imported" is required, against launchpad-code
[19:11] <abentley> jcastro, hi.
[19:12] <abentley> jcastro, you mean with source package recipe builds?  I'm running a stress-test right now.  If that goes well, we could see it deployed on edge soon.
[20:07] <bdrung> maxb: ok, i opened bug #594294
[20:11] <jcastro> abentley: cool, thanks!


 Maybe my particular derivative of Kubuntu 14.04 just had a lot of fancy stuff, but I used to customize KDE like *crazy*.
[01:26] <arraybolt3> Kubuntu 22.04 wasn't nearly so customizable for me.
[01:26] <patrick_> haha
[01:26] <arraybolt3> I also miss the Oxygen theme.
[01:27] <patrick_> yeah.
[01:27] <arraybolt3> Really I miss all of KDE 4, I don't get why people hated it so much and I wish KDE had just stuck there and stayed there forever :P
[01:27] <patrick_> i think thats what i disliked most about it, but thats the beauty of linux right? :)
[01:27] <patrick_> haha
[01:28] <patrick_> kind of feel like Xubuntu and Lubuntu have some of that old school KDE chutzpah
[01:28] <arraybolt3> (re: thats the beauty of linux) Agreed.
[01:28]  * arraybolt3 is currently on Lubuntu
[01:29] <patrick_> i really do feel like KDE is a DE that was WAY ahead of its time
[01:29] <patrick_> yeah. Lubuntu is nice
[01:29] <patrick_> been running a bunch of different cannonical distros on a proxmox server
[01:29] <patrick_> anything that will still run XRDP
[01:30] <arraybolt3> I've tried non-Ubuntu distros before and always ended up back here :P I *just about* jumped ship to Arch back in the day... and then nuked my install on accident and decided "ok this is a bad idea"...
[01:30] <patrick_> haha
[01:30] <patrick_> sounds like me. although, Zorin is pretty nice
[01:30] <arraybolt3> (Lesson learned, force shutdown is *not* the answer to everything!)
[01:31] <patrick_> HAHA!
[01:31] <patrick_> im a deb guy
[01:31] <patrick_> id like to run Arch though, or at least play around with it
[01:31] <patrick_> my love of apt prevents me
[01:31] <patrick_> its either this or BSD
[01:32] <arraybolt3> Once you figure out what you're doing with it, it's really nice, but you have to make your mind work differently for it. Don't come at it as "I'm going to install an OS and then use it", come at it as "I'm going to create an OS from scratch and then use it". Much better results that way, for me personally. I have an Arch VM still that I boot every once in a while, though I will likely never
[01:32] <arraybolt3> use it as a daily driver.
[01:32] <patrick_> wow
[01:32] <patrick_> that intense huh?
[01:33] <arraybolt3> My first successful Arch install was basically KDE everything - I just installed *the whole whopping load* of KDE apps. Ended up with a jumble of broken stuff and eventually a nuked install (though it was the second one I nuked, not the first, I did the two in about the same way).
[01:33] <patrick_> how many hours of work do you think you lost that day?
[01:33] <arraybolt3> Yeah, that intense. My finally good attempt was IceWM + ROX-Filer + a few lightweight apps, in an attempt to make a very minimal installation. It was very much like building an OS from scratch.
[01:34] <arraybolt3> How many hours? Eh, I dunno, about a night's worth, maybe a bit more. I nuked it very soon after making it (like a few days later or so).
[01:38] <patrick_> wow
[01:38] <patrick_> that is definitely crazy, but a pretty sweet learning experience i bet
[01:39] <patrick_> one of the reasons why i love this OS
[01:39] <patrick_> i am, by no means, an expert
[01:39] <arraybolt3> Very much so. Really, though, Arch is a *lot* of work, and Lubuntu and Kubuntu have everything I need and want already for most of my systems. If I were to do Arch again, it would only be for a very targeted usecase that benefited from the ability to build most everything from the ground up.
[01:40] <patrick_> probably why Arch is used in enterprise / dev work right?
[01:40] <arraybolt3> I've never seen Arch in enterprise before.
[01:40] <arraybolt3> For dev work, I think that's probably out of a combination of preference and a need for really new software.
[01:40] <patrick_> im thinking of CentOS
[01:41] <arraybolt3> CentOS is Red Hat, not Arch.
[01:41] <patrick_> yeah
[01:41] <patrick_> i get the two confused sometimes
[01:41] <patrick_> so arch is for the very bleeding edge stuff?
[01:41] <arraybolt3> Yeah, that's one of its main selling points.
[01:42] <patrick_> yeah. thats super cool
[01:42] <patrick_> well, its been a pleasure bolty
[01:42] <patrick_> thanks for the conversation buddy!
[01:42] <arraybolt3> Debian is basically "stay stable and secure at all costs", Ubuntu is "stay secure and stable, be ready for both home use and enterprise use", and Arch is "Stable? Never heard of it. Give me newest of everything!"
[01:42] <arraybolt3> patrick_: Sure, thank you!
[01:42] <patrick_> HAHA
[01:42] <patrick_> so true man, so true
[01:43] <patrick_> take care!
[01:43] <arraybolt3> o/
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:05] <wez> Afternoon lotuspsychje!  How are you today?
[06:53] <webchat88> hi, can someone pls advise how to mount external USB drive without being asked for password - presently I am being asked for password (as user) - I am using Ubuntu 22.04 / Jammy - I searched a lot and tried many links, but didn't help : e.g. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=122761,
[06:53] <webchat88> https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/how-to-mount-drives-without-password/23432, etc.
[07:01] <arraybolt3> webchat88: This is Ubuntu Desktop, right? Also, this sounds more on-topic for the #ubuntu channel.
[07:01] <webchat88> yes, I posted in the channel there but there was no response
[07:02] <arraybolt3> Ah. I'll respond over there.
[07:02] <webchat88> Thanks ! :)


[08:34] <Naranek> tgm4883: did you find out anything?
[13:52] <Naranek> tgm4883: good news
[13:52] <Naranek> ubuntu security responded. cardamom and kapok are iso build servers.
[13:53] <Naranek> 11.04 mythbuntu .iso installs the livecd SSH host key by mistake when installing a system
[13:53] <Naranek> the root user is for acces to the database when booting off the livecd
[13:53] <tgm4883> Naranek, ah
[13:53] <Naranek> and root login is enabled by default in all ubuntus
[13:53] <Naranek> strange that last part
[13:53] <Naranek> but yeah
[13:54] <tgm4883> Naranek, in that case, can you open a bug at https://launchpad.net/mythbuntu for the SSH host key thing?
[13:54] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Mythbuntu in Launchpad
[13:54] <tgm4883> root login is enabled by default?
[13:55] <tgm4883> I don't think it's enabled on my desktop, where exactly are you looking?
[13:55] <Naranek> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[13:57] <tgm4883> hmm, i stand corrected
[13:57] <tgm4883> I suppose since the root user is disabled by default that it doesn't really allow the root user login
[14:01] <Naranek> yeah
[14:01] <Naranek> still.. it fooled me
[14:01] <Naranek> I couldn't imagine for a second that it would be the default setting
[14:02] <Naranek> a disturbing set of bugs this was
[16:26] <adam__> Hi there, I am having a bit of trouble I am setting up my ps3 bluetooth remote for my mythtv box, and for some reason when I put the box to sleep and then wake it up my keys are no longer set to what they are supposed to do. It appears it is creating a new event handler everytime I wakeup from suspend.
[21:57] <Shred00> latest master (0.25) build is 21 hours old.  i recall the last time i asked about builds taking so long there was in fact a problem and someobody needed to kick something.
[22:02] <tgm4883> Shred00, it's a daily build
[22:02] <tgm4883> 1 day == 24 hours right?
[22:02] <Shred00> tgm4883: hrm.  i thought it was done on-demand, i.e. per commit.
[22:03] <tgm4883> nope
[22:03] <tgm4883> that would be pretty crazy :)
[22:03] <tgm4883> it's built daily IF there is a new commit
[22:03] <tgm4883> so if there is no commits, it doesn't build
[22:03] <tgm4883> but if there are 27 commits in a day, it only builds once
[22:06] <Shred00> tgm4883: i'm not sure "crazy" is the right word.  understandable that it's a shared build infrastructure for many projects but it's not strange to see a build per commit in projects that have the build bandwidth.  so in the least it would not be crazy for a queue that simply triggered a build when a commit was done and all commits that were done when the job came up in the queue were included, such that the build system is alwa
[22:06] <Shred00> this is how systems like jenkins work
[22:06] <tgm4883> yep
[22:06] <Shred00> builds are done as frequently as needed and able.
[22:07] <tgm4883> but doesn't work out so well for shared build servers
[22:07] <tgm4883> and isn't something that is usually a problem
[22:07] <tgm4883> is there something that needs testing?
[22:07] <Shred00> you don't get a guaranteed build for each commit but you are guaranteed to get a build that includes all of the commits done when the build is dequeued.
[22:07] <Shred00> jenkins works perfectly fine for shared build servers
[22:08] <Shred00> anyway, just wanted to see how much 2f6c4eec57121a652e60c8e426e5bec5250a9076 helped things here
[22:11] <Shred00> and was hoping to upgrade before the evening "condition brown" (no upgrades while recordings are happening -- obviously) set in.
[22:12] <Shred00> but really, wed/thu are the more busy recording nights, so no rush i guess.  only a single recording on the second qam tuner here this evening.
[22:12] <Shred00> oh.  i lied.  two.  and one is a WAF recording.  i guess we'll see what happens tonight.
[22:15] <Shred00> oh, looks like 0542a100237dd26bcbc60212c443f4619586f15b goes even further


[00:30] <logical> Hi, is it possible to make libreoffice writer look like WPS writer, since in my opinnion it has a better theme
[01:35] <logical> So anyone here likes bodybuilding
[01:37] <logical> Ubuntu mate helped me to do a nice benchpress today
[03:29] <sonyayahab> hello
[03:29] <sonyayahab> thank u
[03:30] <sonyayahab> can i ask?
[03:41] <logical> yes
[03:42] <logical> Hi, sonyayahab just ask, don't know if I can help tho I am new at mate too
[03:43] <logical> also if you want to ask something and there is no one to answer just ask the question and leave your email and someone will help you :)
[10:47] <gerald__> moin
[12:11] <hi> hi
[12:12] <Guest87693> hey i want to record my desktop what can i do
[12:13] <olscumpy> I am really having a hard time switching to mate; I've wasted 4 dvd-r (which are very cheap admittedly) burning the image, but it's not coming out bootable
[12:15] <Guest87693> mmm
[12:15] <Guest87693> i can solve it
[12:15] <Guest87693> just tell
[12:15] <bekks> olscumpy: So did you compare the checksum of the iso with the checksum before burning it?
[12:15] <Guest87693> me your os
[12:15] <Guest87693> tell me your os
[12:16] <Guest87693> olscumpy
[12:16] <Akuli> Guest87693, install kazam and use it
[12:16] <Guest87693> what are you saying akuli
[12:16] <Akuli> kazam is a tool for recording your desktop if thats what you want to do
[12:16] <Guest87693> ohk
[12:17] <bekks> Guest87693: Install "RecordMyDesktop":
[12:17] <bekks> And just record your desktop.
[12:17] <olscumpy> slow down, jeez guest. should I pick something other than "autodetect" for image type? on here http://i.imgur.com/E3ORA5B.png
[12:17] <Guest87693> if your system is ubuntu follow me
[12:17] <Akuli> bekks, i used to be happy with it but i think there was something in kazam that made me move to it
[12:17] <bekks> olscumpy: Select "ISO9660".
[12:17] <olscumpy> I'm on linux mint, my options are iso9660, readcd, cue, cdrdao, and autodetect
[12:18] <Guest87693> is there an option for create a startup disk
[12:18] <Akuli> i think brasero knows how to autodetect it
[12:18] <Guest87693> <:
[12:18] <Guest87693> olscumpy
[12:19] <Guest87693> thanks bekks
[12:19] <Guest87693> and akuli
[12:20] <Guest87693> go to the menu and type [12:20] <Guest87693> and there should be an option called create startup disk
[12:20] <Guest87693> , click it
[12:20] <Akuli> olscumpy, i'd probably use a usb stick for installing distros
[12:20] <olscumpy> ok, I'll try that. autodetect has not been working out. "startup disk creator" is on here but it's for usb sticks and that hasn't worked for me either, it starts to boot then says os not found
[12:21] <olscumpy> on the stick
[12:21] <Akuli> how old is the computer you're installing on?
[12:21] <Guest87693> have you selected your os
[12:21] <Akuli> some computers more than 10 years old don't boot from usb sticks
[12:22] <olscumpy> actually the first time, I forgot to erase the stick, so it was fine booting on the stick to Lakka, it's a bootable console emulator
[12:22] <olscumpy> not sure how old it is, but I think it came with win 7 at one point
[12:23] <bekks> olscumpy: so you are creating a stick?
[12:23] <Guest87693> see i installed ubuntu-mate from ubuntu and it had the option for startup disk creator , i selected the iso and my pen drive / flash drive which i had to make bootable
[12:23] <bekks> olscumpy: You dont need no other tools rather tahn dd for creating a bootable stick.
[12:23] <olscumpy> no, just trying to reply to the attempts for helpful advice. I'm burning as "iso9660" as we speak
[12:23] <Akuli> bekks, actually, plain cp is enough
[12:24] <Guest87693> and then i restarted and selected to boot from my pen drive and the booted into the setup
[12:24] <Akuli> probably not a good idea, but it works
[12:24] <bekks> Akuli: Ir is enough but it takes ages.
[12:24] <bekks> *it
[12:25] <olscumpy> what's dd? I started it in terminal and it didn't show anything
[12:25] <Guest87693> listen olscumpy
[12:25] <olscumpy> ^z out for now
[12:25] <Guest87693> install unetbootin
[12:25] <Guest87693> by typing
[12:25] <bekks> Guest87693: Can you please stop interfering all the time? Thank you.
[12:25] <Akuli> Guest87693, unetbootin is awful
[12:25] <bekks> olscumpy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[12:26] <Akuli> olscumpy, actually, ^z doesn't stop it. it just halts it and you can then type fg to get back to it
[12:26] <Guest87693> hey bekks it's a long process
[12:26] <Akuli> so type fg, and then ^C to get out of dd
[12:26] <Akuli> Guest87693, one command on the terminal and you're done.
[12:26] <olscumpy> I will try that method of flash drive when this finishes burning, thank you
[12:26] <olscumpy> never hurts to have an alternative
[12:26] <bekks> Guest87693: It is a process taking a few minutes only.  Thank you.
[12:31] <Guest87693> go to tools select create bootable usb
[12:32] <bekks> Guest87693: Stop your unasked unwanted queries. Last warning.
[12:32] <Guest87693> olscumpy i'm not asking you to follow me only , you can follow others too
[12:32] <Guest87693> sorry bekks
[12:33] <bekks> Guest87693: You missed your chance. *plonk*
[12:33] <Guest87693> Hun????
[12:35] <Guest87693> hahaha bekks
[12:36] <olscumpy> dd: failed to open ‘dev/sdb’: No such file or directory
[12:36] <Guest87693> bekk wood pekk
[12:36] <olscumpy> should I have it mounted or not?
[12:36] <Guest87693> ya
[12:36] <Guest87693> you can do that by
[12:36] <Guest87693> sudo su
[12:37] <Guest87693> mkdir /media/"any name here"
[12:37] <Guest87693> to make a directory
[12:37] <Guest87693> and
[12:38] <Akuli> olscumpy, don't listen to Guest87693
[12:38] <Akuli> just awful advice
[12:38] <Guest87693> mount /dev/sdb /media/"the name you typed"
[12:38] <bekks> You should nit have it mounted, and apparently you dont have sdb.
[12:38] <bekks> *not
[12:38] <Guest87693> akuli ignored
[12:38] <olscumpy> it was sdb1 when it was mounted
[12:38] <Akuli> olscumpy, run lsblk, it'll show you a nice graph of your stuff
[12:38] <Guest87693> ok so instead type sdb1
[12:39] <Akuli> olscumpy, how did you unmount it?
[12:39] <Akuli> umount /dev/sdb1 should do what you want
[12:39] <Guest87693> did it worked
[12:40] <Guest87693> k bye e-one
[12:41] <olscumpy> yep, tried it again just in case, I dunno
[12:41] <olscumpy> sudo umount /dev/sdb1 (no response, assumed it worked)
[12:41] <Akuli> so, now you have it unmounted?
[12:41] <Akuli> ...yes
[12:41] <olscumpy> sudo dd if=ubuntu-mate-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=dev/sdb
[12:41] <olscumpy> dd: failed to open ‘dev/sdb’: No such file or directory
[12:41] <Akuli> oh i see
[12:41] <Akuli> /dev/sdb, not dev/sdb
[12:42] <Akuli> / is like C: in windows, everything is under it
[12:42] <olscumpy> oh, those slashes
[12:42] <Akuli> just be careful to type sdb and not sda :)
[12:42] <bekks> add "bs=1M" at the end, too.
[12:42] <olscumpy> I once broke terminal for a week because I had a . instead of a slash
[12:42] <olscumpy> in a thing
[12:43] <olscumpy> ...and that thing wasn't in ~, it was in the more powerful areas >.>
[12:43] <Akuli> bekks, whats the buffer size by default?
[12:43] <olscumpy> looks like it's running now, thank you
[12:43] <bekks> Akuli: 512 bytes.
[12:43] <Akuli> seems a bit weird that its just set like that and its not changing based on how much ram the computer has
[12:44] <bekks> RAM is totally irrelevant at that point, since it is unrelated.
[12:44] <Akuli> oh i see
[12:44] <olscumpy> did that guest get kicked or are they still talking? i had them muted after a bit :)
[12:45] <Akuli> he quit himself
[12:45] <Akuli> which is also weord
[12:45] <Akuli> weird
[12:52] <olscumpy> will dd say something when it's done?
[12:53] <bekks> It will just return to terminal.
[12:53] <olscumpy> ok cool
[12:53] <olscumpy> I use terminal so rarely, because mint-mate is so crazy good at suggesting things when you hit alt f2
[12:53] <olscumpy> hoping that continues in ubuntu-mate
[12:56] <Akuli> actually, it should display a report about how much it wrote and how fast
[12:56] <Akuli> olscumpy, yes, alt+f2 box works just the same
[13:18] <olscumpy> ha!
[13:18] <olscumpy> so it does
[13:18] <olscumpy> awesome
[13:18] <Akuli> running on your ubuntu mate now?
[13:18] <olscumpy> it's pretty like mint-cinnamon was, but has the "smart" / helpful features that mint-mate had
[13:18] <olscumpy> mint-mate was ugly though. looked like gnome
[13:19] <olscumpy> I'm running it live currently
[13:19] <olscumpy> ubuntu-mate, that is
[13:19] <olscumpy> thanks for the help you two!
[13:19] <Akuli> you can customize mate however you want
[13:19] <Akuli> just right-click the panel at the bottom and get started
[13:19] <Akuli> or switch your theme.. unfortunately mint doesn't come with mate
[13:19] <Akuli> oops
[13:19] <Akuli> mint doesn't come with mate's themes by default :(
[13:20] <olscumpy> I have my /home as a separate partition... if I just try to login after installing mint with my old user/pass, will it automatically use that user's home?
[13:21] <olscumpy> er, after installing ubuntu
[13:21] <Akuli> the installer will ask you to set up a new username and password, just choose what you had before
[13:21] <Akuli> also choose to partition your disk manually and just use the same old partitions so you can be sure its not overwriting your /home
[13:21] <olscumpy> ok, and it'll sync up?
[13:21] <Akuli> it should
[13:21] <olscumpy> I'd hate to lose ~/.firefox
[13:22] <Akuli> then take a backup of it :)
[13:22] <olscumpy> oh right
[13:22] <Akuli> cp --recursive ~/.firefox /whatever/place/you/want/it/to
[13:23] <olscumpy> the idea of backing up things onto the same hard drive but in a different spot never made sense before
[13:23] <olscumpy> now that I might potentially break my old ~, it makes more sense :)
[13:24] <bekks> Hmm, no it doesnt :)
[13:24] <bekks> Potentially you are breaking more than your home, and you will lose your data and your backup
[13:25] <Akuli> ...my idea was that you reinstall over everything else than /home and leave nothing but /home as it is now
[13:25] <Akuli> and swap of course
[13:27] <olscumpy> getting used to not having mint's "start menu"
[13:27] <olscumpy> yeah, should back it up to usb stick as well I guess
[13:27] <Akuli> right-click your menu at top left, unlock, drag it to the bottom panel with the wheel of your mouse
[13:28] <Akuli> and you have a somewhat windows-like menu
[13:31] <olscumpy> probably easier to swap back to mint to do that, but can I mount my old home directory and back it up from here in the live session?
[13:31] <olscumpy> I tried to open gparted and it started the process, but not the gui, for some reason
[13:31] <bekks> olscumpy: No need for using mint or whatever.
[13:32] <bekks> Mount it using  live cd, back it up, done.
[13:33] <Akuli> it should show up somewhere in your "Computer"
[13:34] <olscumpy> hrm
[13:34] <olscumpy> OH, there's 3 "start menus" (sorry for butchering the terminology)
[13:34] <olscumpy> Places and System were straight invisible to my eyes lol
[13:36] <Akuli> :)
[13:36] <olscumpy> unable to mount location / unable to determine the program to run
[13:36] <olscumpy> when I try mount / open as admin, on the hard drive
[13:38] <Akuli> is your old /home not showing up in Computer?
[13:39] <olscumpy> not currently, when running a live sesh from the usb stick
[13:39] <olscumpy> just a Hitachi HTSnumbersnumbers
[13:51] <olscumpy> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt
[13:51] <olscumpy> mount: /dev/sda is already mounted or /mnt busy
[13:51] <olscumpy> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/boooga
[13:51] <olscumpy> mount: mount point /mnt/boooga does not exist
[13:52] <olscumpy> http://paste2.org/YdaJbYBD
[13:53] <Akuli> sudo mkdir /not/boooga
[13:53] <Akuli> run mount and pastebin the output
[13:54] <olscumpy> http://termbin.com/5vm9
[13:56] <olscumpy> also I jotted this down at some point, I think it's related to the usb stick made with dd: "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes"
[13:57] <olscumpy> but I don't think that matters for trying to mount or read my hard drive
[13:59] <Akuli> i believe you want to mount a partition instead of the drive
[14:00] <Akuli> for example if you want to mount sda1 you could do: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[14:00] <olscumpy> ahhh
[14:00] <olscumpy> I'll try that, thanks
[14:02] <olscumpy> okay, I think sda8 is home, and it's mounted, but it appears to be empty
[14:02] <olscumpy> I assume I need to stick my password in somewhere
[14:02] <Akuli> i don't think so
[14:02] <Akuli> maybe your home is something else?
[14:03] <Akuli> by the way you can see what it was in /etc/fstab on your old /
[14:04] <olscumpy> The device '/dev/sda5' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
[14:04] <olscumpy> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
[14:04] <olscumpy> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
[14:05] <olscumpy> also, Caja can't display "computer" now that I've attempted to mount all the sda#s
[14:05] <Akuli> sda5 is a partition, and i'm pretty sure your stuff are on a partition
[14:05] <Akuli> :D
[14:05] <Akuli> umount them when you're done
[14:05] <Akuli> umount /dev/whatever
[14:06] <olscumpy> ok, this has been fun, but I'm booting to mint, backing up, and then installing ubuntu :)
[14:06] <olscumpy> thank you for trying to help
[14:06] <olscumpy> I've learned a bit!
[15:38] <olscumpy> alright, got mate running, sort of
[15:38] <olscumpy> at the login screen, ubuntu looks normal - there's a panel at the top, panel at the bottom, things look nice
[15:38] <olscumpy> when I log in with my old user/pass, I guess the leftover bits of linux mint cause issues
[15:39] <olscumpy> there's only a bottom panel, and no window manager running by default
[15:39] <olscumpy> so I added "run application" to the bottom panel, and ran compiz, because it's the only window manager I know the name of
[15:40] <olscumpy> what is the normal window manager, and is there a way I can reset the panels, window manager, all other visual/UI stuff, to the ubunutu-mate defaults?
[15:40] <SonikkuAmerica> olscumpy: Throw out configuration files
[15:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ~/.config/mate/ and ~/.config/gtk-2.0 and ~/.config/gtk-3.0 are good places to start
[15:41] <olscumpy> sounds great! do you m... ah, fantastic, thank you
[15:44] <olscumpy> I don't have any of those folders, which may be part of the problem
[15:45] <olscumpy> I noticed the installer deleting a LOT of fonts near the end, wasn't sure whether that was normal for setting up ubuntu, or if it was trying to stay out of mint's way / avoid conflict
[17:17] <olscumpy> as best as I can reconstruct what happened, ubuntu wasn't using a window manager because the setting for my mint wm was still around somewhere. with compiz running, I was able to eventually find mate-tweak, and now Marco is enabled seeing as it's the only option in the list
[17:17] <olscumpy> similarly, selecting a panel layout in mate-tweak - any layout whatsoever - fixed the problem of only having one panel, and it missing many buttons
[17:17] <bekks> I'd drop the old home directory, and start with a fresh, new one.
[17:18] <bekks> And just copy over your data files needed, like documents, images, etc.
[17:18] <olscumpy> probably should have, but at this point everything seems to be working great...
[17:23] <olscumpy> http://i.imgur.com/P8jbyeI.png
[17:25] <olscumpy> the idea was to keep my browser, torrents intact. I think it wasn't worth the trouble, but at this point it's already mission successful
[17:25]  * olscumpy shrugs
[17:32] <gboii> what good everybody, teamviewer running on rbpi 3 possible?
[17:50] <ubuntu-mate> Is there a way I can get access to the Software Centre in Ubuntu Mate?
[17:51] <alkisg> sudo apt install gnome-software
[17:55] <ubuntu-mate> Thank you very much
[17:55] <alkisg> you're welcome
[17:57] <ubuntu-mate> I just started to use Linux today, any Tips on how to get started?
[20:21] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[20:21] <oswriter> hi
[20:21] <ubuntu-mate> do u speak german?
[20:21] <ubuntu-mate> i need help
[20:22] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[20:22] <bekks> !de | ubuntu-mate
[20:23] <oswriter> help with what, ubuntu-mate?
[20:37] <ubuntu-mate> can u help me _
[20:38] <ubuntu-mate> ?
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> german?
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> german server ?
[20:42] <bekks> Still #ubuntu-de
[21:14] <jim__> hello ?
[21:15] <jim__> can anyone help me with a scanner ?
[21:16] <jim__> first time on, not sure how this works; anyone there ?
[21:17] <jim__> Hello ?
[21:18] <rahtgaz> jim__: it's best if you always explain the problem and wait for an answers, instead of asking if anyone can help you
[21:19] <rahtgaz> s/an/any
[21:19] <jim__> ok, thanks
[21:19] <jim__> I have an old cannon scanner, Lide 20,
[21:20] <jim__> when i ran Ubuntu Mate live, it worked, but now won't work after installing Unbuntu Mate
[21:22] <jim__> using simple scan as the program
[21:22] <rahtgaz> does it list the LiDE?
[21:23] <ouroumov_> jim__, I've seen scanners problems go away by installing and using "xsane"
[21:23] <jim__> yes, and it acts like it's scanning but just shows a black screen instead of the scanned page
[21:23] <rahtgaz> was about to suggest xsane too
[21:24] <jim__> ok thanks, I'll try xsane and report back.
[21:25] <rahtgaz> According to this, the LiDE 20 is fully supported: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON
[21:27] <rahtgaz> good grief! Cannon makes waay too many scanners
[22:13] <jim__> Well, I tried xsane; would not work at all, recognizes scanner and says it's scanning but won't move scanner bar; just returns a black image.
[22:14] <jim__> However, if I start Simple Scan, it returns the scanner bar about 1/3 way, start it again, another third, once more, returns all the way.
[22:15] <jim__> Then next time, it scans the image but won't return the scanner bar.
[22:15] <jim__> 3 more starts, scanner bar back home and it scans again.
[22:16] <jim__> Worked perfect when running the live Ubuntu Mate.
[22:18] <ouroumov_> then file a bug report
[22:19] <nomic> Z.Z.Z
[22:22] <jim__> I removed xsane, but now i have a folder on my desktop named xsane.desktop.3RAANY that I can't delete ? how do I get rid of it ?
[22:24] <rahtgaz> delete it from the terminal or caja at ~/Desktop/
[22:25] <ouroumov_> It's called the "sudo make me a sandwich" method
[22:26] <jim__> Newbie here, could you give me the exact command to type in the terminal ?
[22:28] <rahtgaz> do you see the file in Caja under the Desktop directory?
[22:28] <ouroumov_> cd Desktop && sudo rm -rf xsane.desktop.3RAANY
[22:31] <jim__> I tried that but it's still there.
[22:33] <jim__> Also, from the terminal, I changed the folder to Desktop, and did a ls, everything on the desktop is listed but that.
[22:35] <jim__> But it does show up in Caja in the desktop folder
[22:36] <jim__> When I try to move it to trash, says it can't be moved to trash.
[22:37] <jim__> It's something that xsane put there, but I can't get rid of it even though I unstalled xsane.
[22:44] <rahtgaz> I havne't installed xsane for a long time, but I don't recall it ever creating a directory in the Desktop. That's just weird
[23:13] <nomic> z.z.z.


[20:52] <svij> wxl: nhaines: can you both look over the ubuntu-it reverification?
[20:53] <wxl> svij: could i ask you for the annoying favor of email loco-council about that?
[20:54] <svij> wxl: yup
[20:56] <wxl> ack svij. i'll get to it when the work day is over in approximately 4 hrs.
[20:56] <svij> great
[20:58] <svij> I still have a lot of loco council stuff on my todo, just not enough time :/
[20:59] <wxl> yeah
[20:59] <wxl> i'm trying to get back on top of things again
[21:06] <svij> orrr, everytime I select the wrong e-mail account to post to mailinglists :(
[21:07] <wxl> well at least you know how to accept your own posts XD
[21:07] <svij> yeah :D
[21:08] <svij> but it's a good indicator to go to bed…
[21:09] <wxl> heh night svij. thanks for all you do!
[21:09] <svij> thanks, you too :)


[12:51] <pips1> hi there
[12:51] <pips1> is there a meeting coming up?
[12:53] <stgraber> good question
[12:53] <pips1> hi stgraber
[12:53] <pips1> RichEd-1: ping ?
[12:54] <pips1> we need to update the website for the release
[12:54] <RichEd-1> hi pips1 & stgraber
[12:54] <pips1> hi
[12:54] <RichEd> pips1: well remembered ...
[12:55] <pips1> i very hard pressed for time
[12:55] <RichEd> i presume there is a meeting ... mr ogra dear sir ... you round and about ?
[12:55] <RichEd> pips1: me too ... and energy
[12:55] <stgraber> probably busy with ISO testing :)
[12:55] <pips1> I can't spend the usual 4-5 hours doing the update on the site.. :-/
[12:55] <RichEd> stgraber: the fun never stops
[12:56] <RichEd> speak of the devil / ogre :)
[12:56] <RichEd> we meeting now ollie ?
[12:56] <pips1> what I really need is a finished text for the download page that I can then format nicely and done.
[12:56] <RichEd> pips1: if we can list what needs to be done ... i can work with people like highvoltage
[12:57] <stgraber> RichEd: the good point is that we have less edubuntu images so less testing needed here (but we now have Ubuntu-Studio ...)
[12:57] <RichEd> he is always a good person to volunteer in his absence
[12:57] <RichEd> ogra: meeting ? or are you dead busy ?
[12:58] <ogra> RichEd, what would you want to discuss ?
[12:58]  * pips1 notices stgraber mentions ubuntu-studio
[12:58] <RichEd> website updates, press release ... party balloons and candles ... release stuff
[12:58] <pips1> party balloons :-)
[12:59]  * RichEd just *knows* that pips1 will "steal" one of our balloons to take home for his kid
[12:59] <ogra> i'm pretty busy with cmpc installer bugs (apparently intel found out that you can *test* th eimage yesterday) i'm drowning in feedback since the conf call
[13:00] <pips1> o_o
[13:00]  * ogra sighs ...
[13:00] <stgraber> ogra: uhm, aren't test images available for months ? :)
[13:00] <ogra> would have been nice if they started that a month or two ago, not at dawn of the release where i'm busy with other stuff ...
[13:00] <ogra> stgraber, right
[13:01] <ogra> stgraber, i wouldnt complain if they wouldnt actualy find serious bugs :P
[13:01] <RichEd> ogra: same as usual :) :(
[13:01] <stgraber> yes, and archive being frozen + everyone busy ISO testing doesn't really help I guess
[13:01] <ogra> RichEd, not really
[13:01]  * pips1 starts to think about the list of things that need done for the website
[13:01] <ogra> RichEd, i have 24h left for changes
[13:02] <stgraber> pips1: the css would need a good bugfix update
[13:02] <pips1> erm... we might as well move to #ubuntu-meeting ?
[13:02] <RichEd> pips1: if you can mail me, and cc highvoltage ... then we can call off the meeting in the interest of higher priorities
[13:02] <stgraber> content/screenshot too
[13:02] <pips1> ah
[13:03] <RichEd> pips1: no need to move to the channel i think ... i'll be around and about here ... so ping for comments, or mail me a list of what needs to be done
[13:03] <RichEd> i'll rope in some help ... and let you know what we can or can't take care of
[13:03] <pips1> stgraber: well, I suppose I'll make a list of 1.) crucial short-time update needs and 2.) notes about things that ideally need updating... I'm really pressed for time
[13:11] <RichEd> pips1: thanks ... highvoltage will also have some ideas / comments i am sure
[13:17] <ogra> btw, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HardyClassroomServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall are ready so far
[13:17] <pips1> *click* *click*
[13:18] <pips1> ogra: excellent, thanks
[13:22] <pips1> quick question: I can't find oo.org Database in my edubuntu 8.04 installation?
[13:22] <pips1> ?
[13:40] <ogra> pips1, ask calc in -devel
[13:40] <ogra> some oo.o bits had to be dropped for space reasons, nit sure which
[13:40] <ogra> *not
[13:41] <RichEd> ogra: did you see the price jump for cmpc gen 2 ?
[13:41] <RichEd> 	First Classmates available for pre-order in US (for $500!)
[13:41] <pips1> right. Open office database was dropped from ubuntu cd, AFAIK
[13:42] <RichEd> that from chris dawson ... zdnet
[13:43] <RichEd> a week after he reviewed the HP education offerring ... which he commented on as great, but at around $400, he'd take 2 classmates
[13:44] <ogra> RichEd, my dual CPU laptop with 2G ram and 120G HDD costs 599€
[13:44] <ogra> i doubt that really cuts it ... tsk
[13:44] <pips1> looks like blender was dropped from edu add-on cd ?
[13:44] <ogra> pips1, three releases ago, yes
[13:44] <pips1> oops
[13:45] <pips1> :-)
[13:45] <ogra> :)
[13:45] <RichEd> yep ... he also said about the HP that $400 was close to a real notebook at around $ 600
[13:45] <pips1> that web page on e.org really needs an update :-)
[13:45] <RichEd> so $ 500 for classmate makes it an expensive toy with a small screen ...
[13:45] <ogra> and bad resolution
[13:45] <RichEd> pips1: it needs a full overhaul, not a face-lift :)
[13:45] <ogra> i have the actual gen 2.0 here with HDD and big screen
[13:46] <RichEd> by big do you mean 9"
[13:46] <ogra> using still 800x480 and looking totally clunky
[13:46] <ogra> yeah
[13:46] <ogra> but it doesnt have a higher resolution
[13:46] <RichEd> well 9" aint very big in many people's minds ...
[13:46] <RichEd> (ask madonna ;)
[13:48] <pips1> pfft
[13:49] <ogra> that really depends on the angle you look at it ...
[13:49] <RichEd> mr 12" pips1 scoffs at a mere 9"
[13:49] <pips1> Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04 - Linux for Young Human Beings - new slogan? anyone?
[13:49] <RichEd> ogra ... not many girls believe that old line any more  ;)
[13:50] <pips1> keep slogan?
[13:50] <ogra> "Educating Human Beings" ?
[13:50] <RichEd> pips1: we'd need to get some go ahead to change i think ... but well spotted ... let's give it some thought and come up with some suggestions
[13:50] <RichEd> ogra: sounds a bit klunky ...
[13:51] <pips1> What is the ubuntu slogan?
[13:51] <ogra> yeah
[13:51] <ogra> Linux for Human Beings
[13:51] <pips1> so that hasn't changed, then
[13:51] <ogra> Education for Human Beings
[13:51] <RichEd> so we need to stick to that with adding one word or so
[13:51] <pips1> hmm
[13:52] <ogra> Linux for Educated Human Beings
[13:52] <pips1> I like the second suggestion better
[13:52] <RichEd> Linux for Growing Human Being
[13:52] <pips1> nah
[13:52] <RichEd> +s
[13:52] <RichEd> Linux for Learning Human Beings
[13:54] <highvoltage> hi
[13:54] <stgraber> hi highvoltage
[13:54] <pips1> I prefere the "Educated" over "Learning"
[13:54] <pips1> hi highvoltage
[13:54] <pips1> *prefer
[13:54] <highvoltage> aplologies, deadlines looming and I thought the meeting was at 10
[13:55] <pips1> me also got deadlines looming :-/
[13:55] <RichEd> Linux for Educated Human Beings <- sounds like they are already educated ... i.e. like "It's Linux for our intelligent elitist folk ... not the great umwashed commonners"
[13:55] <pips1> unwashed hehe
[13:55] <RichEd> said in a WW II British accent
[13:55]  * RichEd has to collect a kid from a cancelled soccer practise
[13:56] <RichEd> back in 15
[13:56] <pips1> cu
[13:56] <highvoltage> ogra: how are you feeling about tomorrow?
[13:57] <RichEd> pips1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Unwashed <- see here ... an established english expression
[13:57] <ogra> highvoltage, from an edubuntu and ltsp POV i'm fine cmpc keeps me busy though
[13:58] <pips1> RichEd: stop throwing funny things at me!
[13:58] <pips1> Hoi polloi
[13:58] <pips1> When I was a film critic, I actually met a british director who had made a short form title Hoi Polloi
[13:59] <pips1> ah wikipedia even has the link right there! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoi_Polloi_%281935_film%29
[13:59] <pips1> looks like another film tho
[13:59] <pips1> anyway, back to work
[14:00] <highvoltage> ogra: ok. when the new build with suspend is ready, let me know and I'll test.
[14:01] <ogra> highvoltage, thats ready since ages
[14:01] <ogra> 7th i think
[14:01] <ogra> err
[14:01] <ogra> 17th
[14:01] <ogra> should be 17.1
[14:01] <highvoltage> I think the one I had was 17
[14:01] <highvoltage> had/have
[14:04] <pips1> qcad is new on the cd, right?
[14:06] <pips1> what else is new? rasmol? denemo? iTalc?
[14:07] <pips1> highvoltage: I'm going through the list of edubuntu apps on http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu
[14:08] <pips1> ... trying to figure what what has changed
[14:09] <highvoltage> pips1: good. tirion is also going through screenshots and generating new ones. it's a pity he doesn't do IRC
[14:09] <highvoltage> (well not much, anyway)
[14:12] <stgraber> pips1: iTalc is new
[14:12] <stgraber> IIRC we already had rasmol in Gutsy
[14:16] <pips1> ic
[14:16] <pips1> i thought that was only recently packaged by laserjock
[14:17] <pips1> dunno
[14:17] <pips1> what about kwordquiz?
[14:17] <pips1> I guess I can use packages.ubuntu.org to find out...
[14:18] <stgraber> pips1: you probably can diff the depends of the -addon packages from Gutsy to Hardy
[14:38] <pips1> stgraber: erm, how exactly would i be able to do that?
[14:43] <stgraber> pips1: the package list in edubuntu-addon is exactly the same !!!
[14:43] <pips1> ?
[14:44] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/diff$ diff old-pkg new-pkg
[14:44] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/diff$
[14:44] <pips1> strange, that doesn't sound right
[14:45] <stgraber> according to changelog for the -addon only some icon/category and packaging stuff no package change
[14:45] <pips1> we *know* that italc is new... no? you packaged it, no?
[14:45] <stgraber> italc is not in -addon but in edubuntu-desktop
[14:45] <ogra> -master is in -addon though
[14:46] <ogra> users wont see anything of the client
[14:46] <stgraber> pips1: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/e/edubuntu-meta/edubuntu-meta_1.59/changelog
[14:46] <pips1> *click*
[14:46] <stgraber> ogra: it's not in one of the edubuntu-addon-* package though right ?
[14:47] <stgraber> ogra: it's just in the addon CD seed ?
[14:47] <ogra> yep
[14:47] <ogra> which is sufficient
[14:47] <stgraber> ok, so my diff is right. the -addon-* meta packages haven't changed
[14:47] <ogra> right
[14:47] <ogra> only the seeds have
[14:48] <ogra> well, i dropped two empty categories from the addon package
[14:48]  * pips1 never understood this whole seeds proces
[14:48] <ogra> so they did change :) minimally
[14:48] <pips1> *process
[14:50] <pips1> so what are you saying? nothing has changed from gutsy to hardy?
[14:50] <pips1> ;-P
[14:51] <stgraber> hang on, I'm trying to find an easy way of getting what has changed
[14:52] <pips1> ogra: since this is a new LTS, what will happen to dapper?
[14:52] <stgraber> still supported
[14:52] <pips1> will all the dapper iso's be pulled from the servers?
[14:52] <pips1> ah
[14:52] <pips1> right
[14:52] <pips1> there needs to be some overlap
[14:53] <stgraber> Dapper came out with 3 years desktop support and 5 years server support
[14:53] <stgraber> you can't change that two years after
[14:53] <pips1> right
[14:54] <pips1> but as i undertood, edubuntu 6.06. LTS "standalone distro" only qualified for 3 years support...
[14:54] <pips1> not 5 years
[14:54] <pips1> right, ogra?
[14:54] <ogra> right
[14:55] <ogra> single pieces of it are 5 years
[14:55] <stgraber> edubuntu is desktop so only 3 years
[14:55] <ogra> but the distro as a whole isnt
[14:55] <pips1> well, there are those "single pieces" :-)
[14:55] <ogra> i.e. you can still run the kernel and dhcpd :)
[14:55] <pips1> wow :-)
[14:55] <ogra> they would be supported longer, but the desktop and ltsp bits wouldnt
[14:55] <pips1> how cool is that?
[14:55] <pips1> !
[14:56] <pips1> ;-)
[14:56] <ogra> the support is defined on a per package set base ....
[14:56] <ogra> -server has 5 years of support
[14:56] <ogra> packages in -server inherit that
[14:57] <stgraber> pips1: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.hardy
[14:57] <pips1> so basically, all edubuntu 6.06 LTS deployments now have 1 year to update to 8.04 LTS
[14:57] <stgraber> yes
[14:57] <ogra> right
[14:58] <pips1> we need to mention that on the website
[15:00] <pips1> stgraber: thanks for the above link, but it's all rather cryptic to me :-)
[15:02] <stgraber> pips1: so basically : Hardy is now an addon, italc instead of tcm, version upgrade for the other packages
[15:02] <stgraber> ogra: any major change/add ?
[15:04] <pips1> we should have two sets of information: 1.) what changed from last release, for release notes, 2.) a complete list of all the cool apps currently shipped as "ubuntu education edition"
[15:04] <ogra> stgraber, new artwork indeed, but thats about it i think
[15:05] <stgraber> pips1: I can give you 2) as I have the addon CD here
[15:05] <ogra> we need to point out the ltsp change very prominent
[15:05] <pips1> yep, both in release notes and on website
[15:05] <ogra> edubuntu is mostly known for its ltsp implementation people need to grasp that they dont lose anything
[15:07] <pips1> right
[15:07] <pips1> ltsp is in "core" ubuntu now, no harm in that
[15:08] <pips1> ltsp will continue to mature, but the plan is to focus on education apps more ..
[15:08] <stgraber> pips1: atomix, dia, edubuntu artwork, gcompris, epiphany, denemo, gnupain, gobby, gvim, inkscape, italc, kalzium, keduca, kino, kstars, kverbos, kvoctrain, liferea, gnome lockdown, qcad, rasmol, screem, scribus, tuxmath, tuxpaint, tuxtype, xaos
[15:09] <pips1> gnupain sounds fun
[15:09] <pips1> for aspiring doctors
[15:09] <stgraber> pips1: that's what the user can install from gnome-app-install when he inserts the CD
[15:09] <pips1> thanks
[15:17] <ogra> pips1, you plan a complete release announcement atm ?
[15:17] <ogra> slangasek asked if he could link that from the official announcement
[15:18] <ogra> do we have an url ?
[15:18] <ogra> (or future url)
[15:23] <pips1> future url could be http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release, but we should coordinate with ubuntu.com, i.e. what their url will look like
[15:23] <pips1> have a look at http://www.edubuntu.org/news/7.10-release
[15:25] <pips1> the above future URL was for the *tour* the future release notes URL could be: http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/8.04
[15:27] <pips1> ogra: do you know where i can reach newz2000 ?
 ogra: ok, thanks, will use that url as a placeholder for now
[15:27] <pips1> he used to have his own irc channel around release time
[15:27] <ogra> ( http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release)
[15:30] <pips1> ok, that url is for the feature tour, though
[15:30] <pips1> release notes should be :
[15:30] <pips1> http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/8.04
[15:33] <ogra> pips1, meet slangasek ;)
[15:34]  * slangasek waves :)
[15:35] <slangasek> pips1: hi, so the question is, what page on edubuntu.org should I be linking to from the release announcement mail, as the top-level Edubuntu release announcement
[15:37] <pips1> http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/8.04
[15:37] <ogra> pips1, thats the anouncement ? or ony the release notes ?
[15:37] <ogra> *only
[15:38] <ogra> RichEd, meep, meep ^^^^
[15:38] <pips1> ogra: now you got me...
[15:39]  * pips1 re-reads the question of slangasek and feels daft
[15:39] <pips1> sorry for the confusion
[15:39] <pips1> I think the release announcement should be:
[15:39] <pips1>  http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[15:40] <ogra> you said thats the tour before
[15:40] <pips1> analog to the 7.10 release:
[15:40] <pips1> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/7.10-release
[15:40] <pips1> oh.
[15:41] <pips1> so what is the difference between the tour and the release announcement, then?
[15:41] <pips1> and how does ubuntu.com do it?
[15:42] <pips1> basically, we can set the URL to whatever we want (with a path alias in drupal)
[15:42] <pips1> we just have to make our mind up :-)
[15:43] <pips1> hold on, sorry guys, I need to look after my son for a moment :-/
[15:46]  * highvoltage is back
[15:52] <slangasek> pips1: we've just had a nomenclature change on the Ubuntu side per marketing, so rather than "tour" we're now calling it an "overview", which refers to this document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/RC
[15:53] <slangasek> pips1: and the release notes are this: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/804
[15:54] <slangasek> pips1: but optimally, what I'd be linking to from the release announcement is some sort of Edubuntu 8.04 announcement text, since the per-flavor detail in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/ReleaseAnnouncement is deliberately sparse
[15:54] <slangasek> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/7.10-release looks like a pretty good example of what I'm thinking of, yes
[15:55]  * pips1 looks at the urls
[15:59] <pips1> slangasek: ok, so you'll use http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release for the url in the release announcement mail for the Ubuntu Education Edition 8.04 "overview"
[16:02] <slangasek> that sounds reasonable, yes
 ogra: have pips join #ubuntu-matt
[16:06] <ogra> theer you fgot him
[16:06] <ogra> but that looks like you guys have sorted it already
[16:22] <RichEd> pips1: confirmed that you should use:   http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[16:22] <RichEd> i'll send you the text in an our or two
[16:23] <RichEd> i''ll CC ogra for an accuracy comment review ... i want to make sure i have the install options flexibilty clear and realisic :)
[16:25] <ogra> well, the instal options are: install *any* ubunu desktop, pop in addon
[16:25] <ogra> *ubuntu :)
[16:25] <ogra> there are not many other variations :)
[16:29] <RichEd> ogra: what options does the user get then ... not just install edubuntu ? they are also able to chose components / application ?
[16:29] <RichEd> or is that only planned for the 8.10
[16:30] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassroomServer#head-7d164dd6ce5d6e99bc8403e65eb2286fbd87f749
[16:31] <ogra> it operates on any ubuntu desktop that way
[16:31]  * RichEd loads the link and makes coffee ... a sensible multi-task
[16:31] <ogra> with net connection that enables the desktop to upll packages from the net additionally it might work with xubuntu/kubuntu as well
[16:33] <ogra> but the officially supported setup that definately needs no net connection bases on having an ubuntu desktop
[16:34] <ogra> all others will need network access because they will miss the deskop base needed by some packages we ship
[16:44] <RichEd> ogra: thanks ... the add-remove apps from CD was what i was referring to ...
[16:45] <RichEd> for 8.10 we should also consider a few recommended bundle options
[16:45] <ogra> indeed
[16:45] <ogra> make a spec, i'll add it to the team wiki
[16:46] <RichEd> i.e. apps for young kids ... apps for teens etc.
[16:46] <RichEd> so that a newbie dad installing on his home PC can just click a category and not have to consider what his offspring is ready for or grown past
[16:46] <ogra> coding wise thats trivial, but it will need icons etc
[16:47] <ogra> so a spec should be feasable
[16:47] <RichEd> the best kind of feature ... trivial code, big user impact
[16:47] <RichEd> good leverage of resource time
[16:49] <highvoltage> RichEd: sies!
[16:50] <highvoltage> RichEd: (unless you refer to time/money, and not people)
[16:59] <RichEd> wtf ... you mean "appeals to oversized users" ?
[16:59] <RichEd> or "large collision with users"
[17:00] <ogra> large collision with oversized users ?
[17:00] <RichEd> i guess "appeals to fat people" would not work as a sales bullet point
[17:00] <RichEd> nor would "gives you a good smack"
[17:01] <ogra> edubuntu - "teaches even fat people"
[17:02] <highvoltage> RichEd: heh, no. calling people resources :)
[17:02] <RichEd> highvoltage: i was referring to oliver's time ... like gold and diamonds, it is valuable, and limited
[17:02] <RichEd> what should i call him ? smokey sweat labour ?
[17:03] <highvoltage> RichEd: :)
[17:03] <RichEd> "will work for tobacco and internet connection"
[17:04] <RichEd> "odd hours not a problem"
[17:05] <highvoltage> perfect!
[17:07] <highvoltage> pips1: are you around?
[17:07] <pips1> sort of
[17:07] <pips1> I'm babysitting my son
[17:07] <highvoltage> ok. you know that css bug in the fridge theme where short pages don't look good?
[17:13] <mcksean> hey all -- are you planning for some edubuntu sessions @ ubuntu live this summer?
[17:20] <highvoltage> RichEd should be able to answer that!
[17:21]  * RichEd is out to smoke ... back in a fag's time
[17:26] <pips1> highvoltage: regarding the css bug: yes, I noticed short pages looking bad... do you have a fix for it?
[17:28] <highvoltage> pips1: I was going to ask you if you have any ideas :)
[17:28] <pips1> um, no
[17:29] <highvoltage> ogra: is it reasonable to say that the edubuntu add-on cd will be released withing the next 24hrs?
[17:29] <ogra> pretty sure, yes
[17:34] <highvoltage> J to the S to the G to the O
[17:34]  * ogra curses his touchscreen
[17:35]  * pips1 rubs his eyes
[17:35] <ogra> everytime i want to wipe something off my screen i move windows or click something
[17:35] <pips1> hey jsgotangco
[17:36] <pips1> ogra: don't eat and work at the same time?
[17:36] <jsgotangco> hi pips1
[17:36] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: are we there yet? hehe
[17:36] <ogra> pips1, i smoke ....
[17:36] <pips1> ahh
[17:36] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep!
[18:11] <RichEd> ogra ? you back ?
[18:11] <ogra> back ? from what ?
[18:11] <ogra> i wont go away ...
[18:12] <RichEd> i smoke
[18:12] <RichEd> or was that a reference to your hot programming ?
[18:12] <ogra> no to the dirt on my screen i wanted to wipe off
[18:13] <ogra> vs pips1's assuption of sesame seeds from munching wth open mouth :)
[18:14]  * pips1 chuckles as he is munching on japanese rice crackers
[18:14] <RichEd> is this okay by you ?>
[18:14] <RichEd> 8.04 bring the first release of the restructured Edubuntu - now known
[18:14] <RichEd> as the Ubuntu Eucation Edition. The education desktop and application
[18:14] <RichEd> suite now installs as an add-on to a standard Ubuntu desktop, or
[18:14] <RichEd> individual Education applications can be selected for easy install
[18:14] <RichEd> from the CD.
[18:15] <ogra> sounds a bit lonish, like you couldnt take breath during saying it, but technically its correct
[18:15] <RichEd> that's intended for a bridge sentence in the ubuntu announcement
[18:16] <RichEd> okay then ... steve and i can play with grammar, but that gets the main point across ?
[18:17] <pips1> "application suite" sounds a bit nebulous? but otherwise it think it's clear
[18:18] <ogra> yup, its fine
[18:18] <pips1> it think therefore it is!
[18:18] <RichEd> i think
[18:18] <RichEd> pips1: i need to make it clear that it is the edubuntu bundle on the CD ... not the whole education repository
[18:18] <RichEd> hence the suite is what we have selected as a good base set
[18:18] <RichEd> make sense ?
[18:19] <pips1> it makes sense
[18:19] <pips1> why not use bundle?
[18:19] <pips1> instead of "suite"?
[18:19] <RichEd> so that covers ... if you go hit me with edubuntu, you get the suite
[18:19] <pips1> dunno
[18:19] <RichEd> i you want to select, you can chose from the suite
[18:20] <RichEd> using bundle i think does not make the selection point clear
[18:20] <RichEd> comments welcome
[18:21] <RichEd> how's this ?
[18:21] <RichEd> 8.04 bring the first release of the restructured Edubuntu - now known
[18:21] <RichEd> as the Ubuntu Education Edition. The education desktop and application
[18:21] <RichEd> bundle now installs as an add-on to a standard Ubuntu desktop, or
[18:21] <RichEd> individual Education applications may be selected from the bundle for
[18:21] <RichEd> easy install from the CD.
[18:21] <RichEd> s/installs/install/ grandma change
[18:22] <pips1> hmm
[18:22]  * pips1 looks up bundle in the thesaurus
[18:24] <RichEd> suite i guess does kind of imply "from one company" ... or not
[18:25] <pips1> well, I only ever read the word suite in the combination "office suite"
[18:25] <RichEd> lounge suite
[18:25] <RichEd> hotel suite
[18:25] <pips1> so in that respect, yes, it sounds a bit like "from one producer"
[18:25] <RichEd> he wore a badly spelt suite
[18:26] <pips1> what about "collection" ?
[18:27] <RichEd> we often talk about the bundle ... so i'd need some convincing that that is not the right word
[18:27] <pips1> ach, we're nitpicking... suite or bundle is probably just fine..
[18:28]  * RichEd takes a break
[18:28] <RichEd> famil
[18:28] <RichEd> family
[18:30] <pips1> "suite" just sounds a bit snobbish? marketing speak?
[18:31] <pips1> and "bundle", conversely, sounds a bit like "super savers deal" from your local low cost ... get 2 for 1
[18:33] <ogra> enerprise bundle :)
[18:33] <pips1> (suite means "a series of things", BTW)
[18:39] <pips1> compilation? --> as in "the best of"?
[18:40] <pips1> nah
[18:44] <pips1> shipit will provide the add-on cd only, right? so really, we need to tell them to order both an ubuntu cd and a edubuntu cd, seperately?
[18:44] <pips1> ohhhhhh
[18:45] <pips1> Edubuntu Alternate CD isn't available through shipit at all?!?
[18:45] <pips1> s/Edubuntu Alternate CD/Ubuntu Alternate CD/
[18:46] <pips1> ogra: ^^^^
[18:46] <pips1> ?
[18:46] <ogra> no idea
[18:47] <ogra> oh, ubuntu alternate ? no
[18:47] <ogra> i dont think so
[18:50] <pips1> so people wont be able to get a alternate & add-on shipped to them...
[18:50] <ogra> hmm, might be, i dont really know i mst admit
[18:51]  * ogra points to rich for business stuff
[18:58] <pips1> ogra: so what is the story with the "content-server" and edubuntu? What about Moodle?
[18:59] <ogra> apt-e install edubuntu-server
[18:59] <ogra> i didnt manage to split/rname te package yet, in intrepid there will be a separate content-server package that edubuntu-server will depend on
[19:00] <ogra> currently edubuntu-server == edubuntu-content-server
[19:00] <pips1> and what services does it provide?
[19:02] <pips1> moodle? something else?
[19:06] <ogra> nope
[19:06] <ogra> a siple moodle setup atm
[19:07] <pips1> what do you mean by simple?
[19:09] <ogra> apt-et install edubuntu-server , amswer somequestions, have moodle running
[19:09] <pips1> if you install edubuntu-server, will that moodle server be available publicly? or is it firewalled off and only available on the LAN?
[19:09] <ogra> depends on your answers :)
[19:09]  * pips1 goes ahead and does apt-get instal edubuntu-server on his test box
[19:10] <ogra> its just depending on  set of packages, nothing more
[19:10] <ogra> *a set
[19:10] <RichEd> ogra / pips : new improved shorter sweeter ...
[19:10] <RichEd> 8.04 brings a restructure of Edubuntu into the Ubuntu Education Edition.
[19:10] <RichEd> The education desktop and application bundle now install as an add-on
[19:10] <RichEd> to a standard Ubuntu desktop. Individual applications from the Edubuntu
[19:10] <RichEd> bundle may be selected for easy install from the CD.
[19:11]  * RichEd leaves it at that and will check back later for comments
[19:11] <RichEd> out for an hour or two
[19:11] <ogra> RichEd, pips1 had a shipit question
[19:12] <ogra> sounds god btw
[19:12] <ogra> *good as well :)
[19:13] <RichEd> pips1: chris was suggesting that if you order education education edition ... you get ubuntu CD & add-on
[19:14] <RichEd> alternate prolly will not be shipped ... if you've got the IT muscle to install a server, the assumption is that you are able to download and burn a CD
[19:14] <pips1> but that will only provide a "workstation install", i.e. not a classroom/ltsp installation
[19:14] <RichEd> or have access to some techie who can do so for you
[19:14] <pips1> right
[19:15] <RichEd> i need to confirm that ... but apart from darkest africa ... internet access and burn iso is pretty much a commoddity
[19:15] <RichEd> so in africa, you can get someone to deliver a hand burnt one via cleft stick
[19:16] <pips1> ic
[19:18] <pips1> my edubuntu-server installation ended with an error message :-/
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu> Setting up postgresql (8.3.1-1) ...
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of edubuntu-server:
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu>  edubuntu-server depends on moodle; however:
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu>   Package moodle is not configured yet.
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu> dpkg: error processing edubuntu-server (--configure):
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu>  moodle
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu>  edubuntu-server
[19:18] <HedgeMage> RichEd:  umm, I'm in the US and there are TONS of places you can't download something the size of an ISO
[19:18] <pips1_hardy-edu> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:19] <HedgeMage> RichEd:  we have awful broadband penetration here.
[19:19] <pips1> ...
[19:19] <pips1> sorry for the paste flood
[19:19] <HedgeMage> (not that you can't mail-order well enough, just making the point that broadband is NOT a given, even in developed countries)
[19:19] <HedgeMage> np pips1
[19:20] <ogra> pips1, thats from commandline ? it should have asked you abou at least ten questions
[19:20] <ogra> (moodle)
[19:21] <pips1> ogra: yes, that is from the command line
[19:21] <pips1> It did ask questions and I provided answers, but it ended with the messages pasted above
[19:22] <pips1> however, moodle seems to run under localhost... lemme continue...
[19:22] <ogra> well, nothing we can change anyway
[19:22] <ogra> archive is locked down
[19:24] <pips1> (at the Moodle main admin accout config screen now)
[19:24] <ogra> pips1, i was just told 8.04 wont be LTS for edubuntu
[19:25] <ogra> can you take care LTS doesnt show up in the new docs  ?
[19:27] <ogra> sorry that info got not communicated earlier
[19:30] <HedgeMage> nixternal:  hey there
[19:30] <HedgeMage> nixternal:  don't know whether you are coming or going?
[19:38] <nixternal> heh, I have no clue myself...I was testing an oper script
[19:39] <HedgeMage> ahh :)
[19:39] <HedgeMage> how have you been?
[19:39] <nixternal> busy busy busy, you?
[19:40] <HedgeMage> Same
[19:40] <HedgeMage> And fighting with my awful 'net connection.
[19:42] <pips1> ogra: just so you know, moodle seems to run just fine
[19:42] <pips1> :-)
[19:44] <ogra> but had that error ?
[19:44] <ogra> weird
[19:44] <pips1> indeed
[19:44] <ogra> i'll look into that for 8.04.1
[19:45] <ogra> did you note the LTS part above ?
[20:04] <highvoltage> ogra: heh, archive is frozen, to late to take the LTS away from /etc/issue :p
[20:06] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~$ cat /etc/issue
[20:06] <ogra> Ubuntu 8.04 \n \l
[20:07] <highvoltage> awh
[20:07] <pips1> the error said "Package moodle is not configured yet."
[20:08] <pips1> so I suppose the error message was just related to the fact that I hadn't configured moodle at localhost/moodle yet...?
[20:09] <highvoltage> educators always want the latest and greatest software anyway. at first I didn't like the idea of edubuntu being non-lts. but realistically, most people deploying edubuntu are probably always pushed to upgrade to the latest, so the non-lts thing is probably a bit of a non-issue.
[20:09] <ogra> pips1, no idea, i'll take a deeper look after release
[20:09] <highvoltage> ogra: does that mean you will allow universe inclusions for the next release?
[20:10] <ogra> i'm not really fond of that, no, but if someone decides it /overrules me i will follow
[20:12] <highvoltage> I think people should respect your decision and not override it even if they are technically above you.
[20:12] <highvoltage> but that's just me :)
[20:13] <ogra> well, its only that main garantees that more people are forced to look at apps while if we allow universe all maintanance will be forced on the person who cares for the disk (me)
[20:15] <highvoltage> hmm, yes. that's true.
[20:15] <pips1> highvoltage: could you provide me with a nice banner image for the 8.04 release, to place at the top of the page...? you're always good with these things. :-)
[20:16] <highvoltage> pips1: you mean like http://www.edubuntu.org/files/banner-right-release.jpg ?
[20:16] <highvoltage> (you could replace the 7.10 one with that one)
[20:17] <highvoltage> (and replace the text in the yellow box in the drupal block upon release)
[20:17] <highvoltage> RichEd, ogra: you guys should also help and push us a bit more to update that banner a bit more in the future
[20:18] <highvoltage> I've wanted to replace it a few times, but I can't always think of things to replace it with.
[20:19] <pips1> heh
[21:34] <pips1> highvoltage: you still around?
[21:34] <pips1> RichEd: ping
[23:19] <lns> Has anyone had this issue, I'm getting randomly in some users' ~/.xsession-errors?  "Window manager warning: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x1e00065 (OpenOffice)
[23:19] <lns> Window manager warning: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed."
[23:20] <lns> This causes the user to be kicked back to LDM after trying to open OOo


[01:35] <billy> hello i was banned from #ubuntu while getting help
[01:36] <billy> i was told it was gnomefreak that banned me
[01:36] <billy> this is also my first day on here... what can/do i need to do to finish getting help?
[01:36] <gnomefreak> hold on a minute
[01:36] <billy> k
[01:37] <gnomefreak> billy: i didnt ban you
[01:38] <billy> i am blackace11
[01:38] <billy> i am banned from that server
[01:38] <gnomefreak> ah yes i banned you today
[01:38] <billy> yeah
[01:38] <billy> why?
[01:38] <Pricey> gnomefreak, you did...
[01:38] <gnomefreak> and no i wont be removing it today
[01:38] <billy> huh?
[01:39] <gnomefreak> you were banned for spamming
[01:39] <billy> what that
[01:39] <gnomefreak> blackace11><EMAIL_ADDRESS>you repeat this alot of times
[01:40] <billy> oh that is spaming...
[01:40] <billy> ok
[01:40] <billy> yeah
[01:40] <billy> there was person tryin to help and they needed my msn messinger name
[01:40] <billy> and i sent it
[01:40] <billy> waited and waited and waited
[01:40] <billy> so i sent it many times so it wouldn't be missed
[01:41] <jrib> ...
[01:41] <gnomefreak> ill unban you please dont let it happen again you typed it atleast 5 times
[01:41] <billy> i just hit up and enter
[01:41] <gnomefreak> in a short period of time but the logs above do show you were being asked for it
[01:42] <billy> that's what i learned in my comp class this spring... it was c programing
[01:42] <jrib> billy: k, but don't do that, that just makes it harder for people to follow the channel
[01:42] <billy> oh ok
[01:42] <billy> i c
[01:42] <billy> makes since
[01:42] <gnomefreak> you can join
[01:42] <billy> thank you
[01:43] <billy> thank you so so much
[01:43] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:43] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[02:35] <Music_Shuffle> Question:  Can I ask here what the Ubuntu loco channel for California is?
[02:37] <nalioth> what or where?
[02:38] <Music_Shuffle> Err, where*, but I found it, thanks :)
[04:47] <mneptok> Hooooooooooooooooooooooooobbsee!
[04:47] <mneptok> she's sorta cool, and kinda funny. we love her more that a flying bunny. it's Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobbseeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[04:47] <mneptok> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/bunbun_3.gif
[04:48] <ajmitch> scary
[04:48] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:51] <Hobbsee> heya mneptok :)
[04:51] <mneptok> yar!
[04:52] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:53] <mneptok> oddly, the troll believes in truth in advertising. his nick is "pig"
[04:53] <mneptok> ojnk!
[04:54] <ajmitch> creative naming
[04:54] <mneptok> in a sad, pathetic way, yeah.
[05:00] <elkbuntu> hehehe
[05:02] <ajmitch> hello elkbuntu
[05:03] <elkbuntu> hello ajmitch
[05:03] <mneptok> elkboobtube!
[05:04] <ajmitch> only mneptok could say something like that...
[05:04] <elkbuntu> @lart mneptok
[05:04] <elkbuntu> what the hell?
[05:04] <elkbuntu> @lart mneptok
[05:05] <elkbuntu> seveas ought to be shot for the pwnage percentage
[05:05] <mneptok> and not be yelled at for violating the CoC. becaune i'm well aware that i'm so abhorrent that no clever turn of phrase is gonna win over any Ubuntu women.
[05:05] <elkbuntu> s/Ubuntu //
[05:06] <mneptok> well, yeah ...
[05:06] <mneptok> ;)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> good to see mneptok is back to normal
[05:07] <ajmitch> for the mneptok definition of 'normal'
[05:07] <elkbuntu> i should hope not
[05:07] <elkbuntu> and weasleboy isnt here to enjoy the full effect of that comment anyway
[05:08] <mneptok> lol
[05:08] <mneptok> and "weaselboy" is well known enough that i know *precisely* to whom you refer :)
[05:09] <elkbuntu> you should have seen his face at UDS. claaaassic
[05:09] <ajmitch> hah
[05:09] <mneptok> actually, the word "weasel" exists in the english language. but i have created a custom version of the word available only from my own, private dictionary server. please update your apt sources!
[05:10] <mneptok> he was at UDS?!
[05:10] <elkbuntu> mneptok, burgundavia is of whom we speak
[05:10] <mneptok> not fair! I'M THE OFFICIAL RIDICULE TARGET, DAMMIT!
[05:10] <mneptok> i want my union rep!
[05:11] <elkbuntu> mneptok, corey became the interim ridicule target when you were not present
[05:11] <mneptok> wait, i thought a-boy was universally "weaselboy"
[05:11] <mneptok> man, i got start coming to the meetings
[05:11] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:11] <mneptok> *gotta
[05:12] <ajmitch> you're more in touch with what goes on than I am
[05:12] <elkbuntu> did the memo not reach you in romania?
[05:12] <mneptok> ooo! nice!
[05:12] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you need to actually show up at UDS' and such for that.
[05:13] <mneptok> with that last misunderstanding the "Ways mnep Sucks" list rolled to page 7!
[05:13] <elkbuntu> why is it i shudder whenever mneptok goes 'ooo!'
[05:13] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:15] <elkbuntu> one thing that was missing from this last UDS was mneptok and jono echoing 'Vun! Muwahahahahah!' across a hotel foyer
[05:15] <mneptok> OK, so who believes every time that there's a contentious issue before the Community Council that we should all yell "CONSPIRACY!" and paste the URL to the Dramatic Chipmunk?
[05:16] <mneptok> +1
[05:16] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:16] <ajmitch> it could make for fun CC meetings
[05:16] <elkbuntu> at least there would be a constant stream of comments ;)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mneptok: hahaha.  that sounds like fun.
[05:19] <mneptok> dunh dunh DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNH!
[05:22] <mneptok> We walked around in circles singing, "Ooo ha o!" I said we walked around for practically forever singing, "Oo ha o!" I said our heads were filled with things that didn't really matter anyway, we're singing "Oo ha o!" I said we walked around for practically forever singing, "Oo ha o!"
[05:24] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:24] <mneptok> OO HA O!
[05:25] <elkbuntu> somehow, i believe that would happen too, nalioth
[05:26] <mneptok> doubtful.
[05:26] <elkbuntu> When talking to Fabian at UDS... me: 'So what is it like working with Kurt?' Fabian:'You know, I've tried to be more disturbing than him, but maaan, it's not possible'
[05:27] <mneptok> they're *really* unwilling to touch me.
[05:28] <mneptok> i had him cracking up tonight. i called a club to find out about racquetball rates. "it's $5/hour for the court fee, but that's per group. so if you have 2 people they both pay $2.50."
[05:28] <mneptok> "so, say i cram 650,000 people into a racquetball court. do you have a high-power laser for cutting pennies?"
[05:29] <elkbuntu> roflmao
[05:29] <mneptok> gee...thanks for the math help, hun.
[05:29] <mneptok> ;)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> hahahaha
[05:31] <nalioth> you guys catch that in #ubuntu ?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> holy cow
[05:32] <nalioth> the 'ever so innocent cry for help' >><PHONE_NUMBER> 22:28 < revmischa> why doesn't this work? http://pastebin.on.nimp.org/234ddde
[05:32] <Hobbsee> i did
[05:32] <Hobbsee> nalioth: that's a general bad site, isnt it?
[05:32] <nalioth> don't visit it with a gui browser
[05:32] <nalioth> and definitely not on a windoze machine
[05:32] <Hobbsee> too late
[05:32] <Hobbsee> but this is linux
[05:33] <nalioth> you'll probably have to kill and cleanse your browser, Hobbsee
[05:33] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i already killed it, yeah.
[05:33] <Hobbsee> nalioth: cleanse too?
[05:33] <nalioth> probably not, but it delivers more than visual entertainment
[05:33] <Hobbsee> why?
[05:33] <elkbuntu> in other words, start a new session when you restart ff
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yeah :)
[05:34] <elkbuntu> whelp... off to play with the govt. cyas
[05:34] <nalioth> most trojans are delivered thru web browsers (like IE)
[05:35] <mneptok> must ... not ...
[05:35] <mneptok> please, someone bitchslap me with the Code of Conduct
[05:35] <ajmitch> mneptok: give in to the urge
[05:35] <Hobbsee> well, true
[05:35] <mneptok> ajmitch: dude! i wish *you* were my parole officer!
[08:48] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:55] <Hobbsee> **** anyone up for some gutsy cd testing? ****
[09:55] <Hobbsee> jussi01: poke
[09:55] <Hobbsee> jussi01: which arch are you on?
[09:55] <jussi01> i386 Hobbsee
[09:55] <Hobbsee> jussi01: feel like testing an alternate cd?
[09:56] <jussi01> link please Hobbsee!
[09:56] <Hobbsee> jussi01: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/iso/Kubuntu :)
[09:56] <Hobbsee> the ISO bit with the cd has the url to the download
[09:56] <Hobbsee> grab an account, and please test as many of those bits as possible :)
[09:56] <jussi01> ok :D
[09:57] <Hobbsee> :D thankyou
[09:57] <jussi01> not a problem
[10:01] <jussi01> Hobbsee: so the alternate needs testing? or the desktop....
[10:02] <Hobbsee> jussi01: alternate
[10:02] <Hobbsee> jussi01: iv'e done the majority of desktop, alternate hasnt been touched, apart from the manual partitioning
[10:04] <jussi01> ok :D
[10:04] <jussi01> so just do a standard install is good?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:09] <Hobbsee> anything with a 0 next to it is good to try
[10:20] <ubotu> MilhousePunkRock called the ops in #kubuntu
[10:20] <ubotu> Kprofthreat called the ops in #kubuntu
[10:21] <ubotu> biotrox called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:22] <Hobbsee> (all dealt with)
[10:22] <ubotu> Hobbsee called the ops in #edubuntu
[10:24] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i think gamespot just earned a boot
[10:25] <ubotu> Hobbsee called the ops in #ubuntu
[10:25] <Hobbsee> le sigh
[10:26] <Hobbsee> not this guy *again*
[10:26] <jussi01> lol
[10:31] <jussi01> wow!
[10:31] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: and gone.
[10:31] <jussi01> that was needed!
[10:32] <jussi01> I would have smacked his head in...
[10:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:32] <Hobbsee> was talking in #launchpad
[10:32] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: Is it worth watching gamespot? as they just joined #ubuntu-uk
[10:33] <Myrtti> we're watching him on -offtopic too
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: yes
[10:33] <Seeker`> what is he/she doing?
[10:33] <elkbuntu> being a <insert derogatory term for intellectually challenged individual>
[10:34] <GazzaK> woo, -uk is now a dodgy dating service
[10:34] <Hobbsee> asking what !ops does, highlighting people, etc
[10:34] <jussi01> abusing women...
[10:34] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i like my explanation better
[10:34] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: so do i
[10:34] <elkbuntu> if he's gone this far, just nuke him from all channels possible
[10:34] <Seeker`> ooh, we got a Hobbsee in -uk now
[10:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:34] <Seeker`> :)
[10:34] <Hobbsee> i have no ops there now
[10:35] <Seeker`> I do
[10:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:38] <Myrtti> /me has cauliflower, tomato and cucumber avec chicken fillet and balsamico-oliveoil dressing
[10:38] <Myrtti> tudelu
[10:39] <Hobbsee> oh le sigh.  he doesnt get why he's banned.
[10:39] <GazzaK> is it a he?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> i have no idea.
[10:39] <GazzaK> ahh, so a lie from 2nd post in -uk
[10:40] <Hobbsee> perhaps not, from #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:40] <jussi01> please, that last comment in UK....
[10:40] <GazzaK> jussi01, I am hovered over the op button
[10:41] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:41] <jussi01> me too,
[10:41] <jussi01> but is seems you guys have it under control
[10:41] <GazzaK> it left
[10:41] <jussi01> lol
[10:42] <jussi01> thankfully
[11:42] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Celdronis said: ubotu : my system is AMD 64 3000,1GB ram ,1 EIDE 80GB HDD and Creative's Audigy 2.Is Audigy detected while setup or dop i have to set it up mysef
[11:52] <ubotu> magnetron called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:52] <ana> hola
[11:52] <ana> wenas
[11:52] <ana> eeeooo
[12:42] <Jordan_U> Dabian is trolling in #ubuntu
[04:01] <ubotu> In ubotu, benmayim said: It is already installed with mysql and php5. I just don't know how to access it.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> !bot > benmayim
[04:12] <Hobbsee> mneptok: poke
[05:33] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, Arwen said: !compiz is better than beryl
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> what timezone is BenC in ?
[05:41] <mc44> americazone
[05:44] <Pici> @now Amerizone
[07:11] <ubotu> In ubotu, bdmurray said: !no, answers is Tech Answers is for support related questions and answers and can be found at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[07:11] <LongPointyStick> !no, answers is Tech Answers is for support related questions and answers and can be found at
[07:11] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, LongPointyStick said: !no, answers is Tech Answers is for support related questions and answers and can be found at
[07:11] <LongPointyStick>                https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[07:11] <LongPointyStick> oh bleh
[07:11] <nalioth> :D
[07:14] <Pici> bye
[07:15] <jussi01> nite LongPointyStick
[07:15] <Pici> maybe <reply> Answers for support related questions can be found at  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[07:40] <Pici> Hmm.  Whats the Ubuntu support stance on Wubi?
[07:40] <nalioth> what's a wubi ?
[07:40] <Pici> !wubi
[07:40] <ubotu> wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[07:41] <nalioth> ah
[07:42] <nalioth> says "unofficial"
[07:42] <nalioth> point users to #wubu or wherever
[07:42] <Pici> sounds good :)
[07:42] <nalioth> #wubi #wubu potato potatoe
[07:44] <Pici> I dont think they have an irc channel anyways, but they do have an ubuntuforums forum
[07:55] <cata> olaaaaaaaaaa
[07:56] <cata> ai aljien aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[07:56] <cata> kien eres
[08:10] <TheSheep> that was desperate
[09:12] <ubotu> In ubotu, kbrooks said: checkinstall is not just a wrapper for make install, please try to make it more clearer if you like, but giving people the impression that checkinstall can only be used for "make install" is wrong.
[09:12] <PriceChild> !checkinstall
[09:12] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[09:16] <nalioth> why is kbrooks talking to a bot?
[09:18] <Pici> Maybe he knew the moderation request would be sent here?
[09:19] <ompaul> he does
[09:19] <Pici> perhaps is a wrapper could be replaced with 'can be used as a wrapper'
[09:19] <kbrooks> hi.
[09:19] <kbrooks> why the invite?
[09:19] <nalioth> kbrooks: it is rude to talk through a bot
[09:19] <kbrooks> i bet about my checkinstall.
[09:19] <nalioth> you can talk to us directly now
[09:19] <ompaul> kbrooks, what do you actually want to see in there
[09:20] <kbrooks> i'm not sure. but it should be changed a little, because it is a wrapper around a command. but i can't imagine any changes would be good. so for now, it stays. thanks for making me think... bye bye...
[09:21] <Pici> okay o.O
[09:21] <ompaul> drive bye bug reports
[09:21] <ompaul> useless
[09:21] <nalioth> buggy reporter, you mean?
[09:22] <ompaul> haha
[10:59] <ubotu> Spec called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic