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[00:08] <macogw> wow.... hardy's handling of X is even worse than gutsy's.  i'm kinda surprised that's possible.
[00:09] <Arwen> macogw, how so?
[00:09] <macogw> gutsy had the info from displayconfig-gtk still at least showing in the xorg.conf
[00:09] <macogw> hardy shows no info whatsoever and claims that it's configured
[00:09] <macogw> displayconfig-gtk is actually dead weight though, so it's not
[00:09] <Arwen> the less crowding in xorg-conf the better
[00:10] <macogw> and "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" is STILL broken
[00:10] <Arwen> is it? works fine for me
[00:10] <macogw> all it does is backup the xorg.conf and quit
[00:10] <RAOF> If by "broken" you mean "writes minimal xorg.conf", yes.
[00:10] <Arwen> macogw, we have xrandr and other yay features in X now
[00:10] <macogw> i mean it only asks questions about the keyboard
[00:10] <Arwen> no need for 100 page long cons
[00:10] <Arwen> confs*
[00:10] <macogw> there is no offer to pick a graphics driver
[00:10] <macogw> or a resolution
[00:11] <Arwen> you shouldn't have to, but..
[00:11] <RAOF> macogw: Yes.  that's right.  Xorg is moving away from static configuration, to hotplugging & stuff.
[00:11] <Arwen> if you need to, you can edit the file and force a driver (like for fglrx)
[00:11] <macogw> well how do i change my resolution if displayconfig-gtk is 100% useless?
[00:11] <Arwen> xrandr -s resolution
[00:11] <RAOF> macogw: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution doesn't work?
[00:12] <macogw> it says its 1280x800 but it looks like 1024x768
[00:12] <void^> what's new about xrandr?
[00:12] <macogw> screens & graphics thing shows no options for driver, shows no screens in existence, shows no options for resolution...
[00:12] <Arwen> !info firefox-3.0-dev
[00:12] <RAOF> macogw: Yes.  Screens & graphics *is* broken at the moment.
[00:12] <ubotu> firefox-3.0-dev (source: firefox-3.0): Development files for Mozilla Firefox. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 128 kB
[00:12] <Arwen> someone ought to get around to fixing that
[00:13] <RAOF> Arwen: What's broken with it?
[00:13] <Arwen> look at the size
[00:13] <Arwen> compared to...
[00:13] <Arwen> !info firefox-2-dev
[00:13] <ubotu> firefox-2-dev (source: firefox): Development files for Mozilla Firefox. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+2nobinonly+2-0ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 3124 kB, installed size 25048 kB
[00:13] <Kuni> flipstar: yes, I had major trouble, what with the restricted-modules not able to be installed for some reason and whatnot.
[00:13] <RAOF> Arwen: Right, yes.  Ok.
[00:14] <RAOF> macogw: If Screen Resolution says that it's 1280x800, that would be what the driver is reporting.  So, either it *is* 1280x800, or the driver is broken.
[00:14] <macogw> ok xrandr is a weird thing
[00:15] <macogw> RAOF: or i got *really* used to that 1920x1480 on my roommate's old laptop while mine was having 1/2 the hardware replaced
[00:15] <RAOF> macogw: that's not totally unlikely :)
[00:15] <macogw> sorry apparently this really is 1280x800
[00:15] <RAOF> :)
[00:15] <macogw> im gonna go set the font size to 8px...
[00:16] <macogw> dot files sure take a long time to copy to flash drives...
[00:16] <macogw> 9MB copied in 10 minutes O_o
[00:17] <macogw> ok how do i get vertical scroll back on my touchpad?  is there a new non-xorg way to do that too?
[00:19] <RAOF> macogw: Apparently we will be modifying the driver to not require SHMConfig.  However, at the moment, no.  YOu have to fix it in xorg.conf.
[00:19] <Arwen> macogw, 1920x1480?
[00:20] <macogw> Arwen: or something insane like that...1920x1200
[00:20] <Arwen> oh, 1920x1200 isn't that unusual
[00:20]  * Arwen wants a 1920x1440 display. w00t for HD 4:3./
[00:20] <macogw> its unusually large for a laptop
[00:21] <macogw> especially considering that laptop is about 3 years older than mine
[00:21] <nemo> my ubuntu machine is running 1680x1050
[00:21] <nemo> 8:5 :)
[00:21] <macogw> mine maxes at 1280x800
[00:22] <nemo> same ratio though
[00:22] <macogw> i still think having a gradient of some sort on the panels by default instead of plain white would look nice
[00:22] <macogw> the new background is very pretty
[00:23] <nemo> macogw: ... sooo why don't you create a gradient?
[00:23] <nemo> is not like adding a background image to the panel is hard...
[00:23] <macogw> i know ive done it a bunch of times
[00:23] <macogw> i mean as part of the default setup on the live system and on first boot
[00:24] <macogw> i know its been suggested before on the art page in the wiki
[00:24] <macogw> during edgy or feisty someone suggested a clear glass panel
[00:25] <Kuni> arwen: ew 4:3...
[00:25] <macogw> i dont get the desire for widescreens...
[00:25] <Kuni> once you go 8:5, there's no going back
[00:25] <macogw> as far as i can figure, that just means your vertical usable space gets cut
[00:25] <RAOF> macogw: Two emacs buffers side by side, both 80 cols wide :)
[00:25] <macogw> er....so?
[00:25] <Kuni> macogw: on the contrary. You gain an extra page on the side, rather than losing space on top.
[00:26] <macogw> i use vim and it has wordwrap
[00:26] <Arwen> Kuni, bah, "widescreen" displays are just an excuse to sell shorter monitors
[00:26] <Kuni> lol
[00:26] <macogw> Kuni: if you look at Lenovo's charts of screen size, you can see that a 14" widescreen is not as tall as a 14" standard
[00:26] <RAOF> macogw: I find it extremely useful to have two full buffers of code side by side.  Say, the untittests and the code I'm writing for them.
[00:26] <Arwen> and wtf, oh newegg there are $1000 monitors that, as far as the specs go, are no different from $300 solutions
[00:26] <Kuni> yes, this is true, since it's measured diagonally, macogw.
[00:26] <macogw> well with the current trend for docks, the widescreen gets even worse
[00:27] <macogw> because now your dock is using up the bottom inch of your screen
[00:27] <Arwen> macogw, you can put the dock on the left
[00:27] <Kuni> But that's why I got a 17.1-inch laptop. :D
[00:27] <macogw> Arwen: AWN can do that now?
[00:27] <Arwen> *shrug*
[00:27] <Kuni> macogw: no, but you can make the icons smaller.
[00:28] <macogw> then they just get small enough that the precision needed to aim at the icons becomes inefficient
[00:28] <Kuni> personally I love having two pages worth of space. It makes cross-window typing much easier.
[00:28] <macogw> oh i use Set Above for that
[00:29] <macogw> i hated that i couldnt keep Outlook on top of Firefox so i could reference an email and type in a form at the same time when i had to use Windows at work
[00:29]  * Arwen is listening to Portal: Still Alive by Jonathan Coulton & GlaDOS on The Orange Box [Amarok]
[00:29] <Arwen> yay!
[00:29] <Arwen> "we're out of beta / we're releasing on time"
[00:29] <Arwen> unlike Ubuntu :-)
[00:29] <Kuni> I guess when it's the difference between 1280x1024 vs 1280x800, i'd prefer the fullscreen. But when it's the difference between 1600x1200 and 1920x1200, give me the widescreen.
[00:29] <Kuni> Arwen: yay!
[00:29] <Arwen> 1280x1024 is insanity, lol
[00:29] <macogw> why?
[00:29] <Kuni> 5:4?
[00:29] <FransQ> Are they ever going to include that spherical dock in AWN by default.
[00:29] <macogw> that's what we use at my mom's house
[00:29] <Arwen> Kuni, the correct comparison is 1920x1200 against 1920x1440
[00:30] <Arwen> macogw, that's way too square
[00:30] <Arwen> and 5:4 isn't very standard
[00:30] <macogw> i didnt even know it was 5:$
[00:30] <macogw> *5:4
[00:30] <Kuni> Arwen: 'cept I'm comparing widescreen as the growing one, rather than fullscreen as the growing one, since widescreen is newer.
[00:30] <macogw> i just know its one of the things that 915resolutions can do on that card
[00:30] <Arwen> Kuni, it's a new conspiracy to sell smaller displays
[00:30] <Kuni> lol
[00:30] <macogw> oh no....upgrading that computer to hardy will be painful.  please tell me the i810 driver isnt going away?
[00:31] <Kuni> well, fine, I'll take a 2560x1600
[00:31] <Arwen> macogw, indeed it is
[00:31] <macogw> crap
[00:31] <Arwen> Kuni, I'll stay with 4000:3000 thank you
[00:31] <macogw> that computer's not being upgraded past gutsy ever then
[00:31] <Kuni> rofl
[00:31] <Kuni> dangit
[00:31] <macogw> the intel driver doesnt work on it
[00:31] <Arwen> macogw, you know that the "intel" driver supercedes it, right?
[00:31] <Arwen> or not
[00:32] <Kuni> well, adios. I'm off for food
[00:32] <macogw> i had a nice long fight with it in december when i upgraded it to gutsy and decided to try the intel driver to see how it was not using 915resolution.  it was blackness.
[00:32] <macogw> my year-old backup of xorg.conf came to the rescue
[00:33] <macogw> she's got a i855, i think.  i guess it's too old for the new driver
[00:35] <vwduder> anyone notice today's python2.5 update is missing usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_bsddb.so
[00:35] <Arwen> 915resolution isn't supposed to be necessary anymore with intel, but oh well
[00:35] <macogw> i know it's not
[00:35] <macogw> i was trying intel to get away from 915resolution
[00:36] <macogw> but it turns out that 915resolution doesnt work with the old i855 cards
[00:36] <macogw> bah i mean
[00:36] <vwduder> (therefore import bsddb fails)
[00:36] <macogw>  but it turns out that intel doesnt work with the old i855 cards
[00:37] <macogw> guess i could just replace it when its time to upgrade...the card's been in its death throes for 3 years now
[00:37] <Arwen> i855... card? not an integrated chip?
[00:37] <Arwen> and according to the manpage, it does cover i8xx chips
[00:37] <macogw> well yes integrated
[00:37] <macogw> apparently not very well
[00:38] <macogw> i got stuck in a loop of black screen -> failsafe -> i tell the failsafe displayconfig to use intel and 1280x1024 -> black screen...wash, rinse, repeat
[00:40] <macogw> the only way to get graphics was 640x480 (i think...might have gone all the way up to 800x600...?) with vesa
[00:50] <emgent> heya Hobbsee :)
[00:50] <Hobbsee> heya!
[00:51] <Arwen> Hobbsee, go fix something! :-P
[00:52] <Hobbsee> nah...
[00:52] <Hobbsee> Arwen: how much have you fixed today?
[00:52] <Arwen> lots of things :-)
[00:52] <Arwen> but I haven't submitted any of em
[00:52] <emgent> hehhe
[00:53] <emgent> Hobbsee, upload my fix for vlc in hardy :P
[00:53] <Arwen> VLC is broken?
[00:53] <emgent> security patch
[00:53] <emgent> Hobbsee, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/195949
[00:53] <emgent> :P
[00:53] <Arwen> someone ought to enable DMO loading in VLC...
[00:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195949 in vlc "VLC Arbitrary memory overwrite in the MP4 demuxer" [Medium,In progress]
[00:53] <emgent> i'm working on gutsy now.
[00:53] <Arwen> --enable-loader
[00:53] <emgent> pbuilding..
[01:02] <macogw> woot new working optical drive!  i can rip my new CDs
[01:02] <DanaG> Heh, my mom described the Heron wallpaper as looking like "baby puke".
[01:02] <Milos_SD> is there About this computer application on Hardy as it was writen on launchpad?
[01:02] <Milos_SD> :0
[01:03] <macogw> DanaG: aw i think it looks all pretty and artsy
[01:04] <FransQ> my mom was all like "awwwwesome" over it.
[01:04] <macogw> that style of art works much better in color than in grey/black/white on emo bands' t-shirts
[01:04] <macogw> (the reason i will not buy AFI shirts made after 2005 even though they're my favorite band)
[01:11] <DanaG> I also like that background.
[01:11] <Arwen> it was ok
[01:12] <Arwen> the color scheme was a bit off though
[01:13] <macogw> uh...copying less than 1mb to a flash drive in 2 minutes isnt normal, right?
[01:13] <DanaG> Odd.... I just alt-tabbed to.... something (I don't remember what), and Xorg crashed.
[01:16] <Arwen> http://machine-guts.deviantart.com/art/bully-33974745 <-- I can't see why this isn't the default wallpaper
[01:17] <macogw> oh my
[01:17] <macogw> is emerald supposed to be installed with no themes?
[01:17] <Arwen> yes
[01:17] <Arwen> you install emerald-themes for those iirc
[01:17] <macogw> emerald-themes package doesnt exist
[01:18] <Arwen> hmm
[01:18] <macogw> do an apt-cache search for emerald
[01:19] <macogw> emerald-themes was there in gutsy, but its gone in hardy
[01:19] <FransQ> Not enough blood in that one, Arwen.
[01:19] <Arwen> macogw, you're right
[01:19] <Arwen> guess you have to install em yourself
[01:19] <macogw> the "fetch gpl
[01:19] <macogw> "fetch gpl'd themes" button seems to be broken too
[01:22] <flipstar> it also is brocken on gutsy ..
[01:22] <flipstar> here are some nice themes.. http://kde-look.org
[01:30] <macogw> Arwen: correction, looks like emerald-themes was missing in gutsy as well.  it only shows up as feisty in the ubuntu package search
[01:33] <ethana2> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/renewed-wish-for-open-document.html
[01:33] <ethana2> Just what we needed.  Google.  Is.  Awesome.
[01:35] <macogw> well theyre probably noticing how much ms's closed formats suck to work with.  google docs does *not* handle .doc or .ppt well and i dont think it does .docx or .pptx at all
[01:37] <DanaG> dagnabbit, unminimizing Firefox crashed Xorg.
[01:37] <DanaG> What the $(fortune -o)
[01:40] <DanaG> Odd.
[01:40] <DanaG> Okay, apparently it's not just any page that does it.
[01:41] <DanaG> http://www.facilities.calpoly.edu/campusprojects/EngIV_Web_Cam.htm
[01:41] <DanaG> That page does it.
[01:42] <Dr_willis_> I cant rember the name of that tool - that lets you auto-download/install stuff from gnome-look.org   anyone recall its name off hand?
[01:42] <DanaG> gnome-art-manager?
[01:43] <Dr_willis_> lets see.. :) been looking in the menus.. of course i MAY have it installed on the Other machine.. not this one. :)
[01:43] <Dr_willis_> aha - i got a 'gnome-art' :)
[01:57] <RoC_MasterMind> Help!  I get this error trying to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10...it looks like it cannot authenticate the package or something: http://pastebin.ca/919894
[01:57] <RoC_MasterMind> it's the "release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i3
[01:57] <RoC_MasterMind> 86.udeb" package
[01:59] <flipstar> err wrong chan
[01:59] <RoC_MasterMind> whuh?
[02:00] <flipstar> see topic
[02:00] <RoC_MasterMind> I see it
[02:00] <RoC_MasterMind> not getting any responses on #ubuntu, trying here.
[02:00] <RoC_MasterMind> almost stock ubuntu box.
[02:00] <RoC_MasterMind> no 3rd party repos.
[02:00] <RoC_MasterMind> no problems with apt-get update
[02:00] <RoC_MasterMind> don't know what to think
[02:01] <flipstar> used update-manager ?
[02:01] <RoC_MasterMind> yes
[02:01] <RoC_MasterMind> did all updates and rebooted
[02:02] <RoC_MasterMind> then hit upgrade button...prepares for a few minutes then fail.
[02:02] <RoC_MasterMind> :-(
[02:02] <CarlFK> is 2+ hours expected compile time for  AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[02:03] <CarlFK> I am worried that it is building stuff I don't need
[02:03] <RoC_MasterMind> CarlFK, can't say what expected time is with those options, but last time I compiled a stock kernel it was more than 2 hours, maybe 3 or 4.
[02:03] <CarlFK> RoC_MasterMind: thanks
[02:07] <CarlFK><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:07] <CarlFK> (05:15:59 PM) crimsun_: CarlFK: although I might add that since it is targeted to 2.6.25, hardy will pick it up automatically.
[02:07] <CarlFK> any idea how soon that will happen?
[02:09] <x4cau> i had install hardy from an upgrade ... but it turns too slow on my laptop .. is it normal?
[02:09] <maco> why does copying my .xchat-gnome from gutsy to hardy not result in my old settings being used?
[02:09] <maco> its acting like i have no settings pre-configured at all
[02:10] <maco> example...it's using my login name in here by default instead of the nick i have set in my xchat configuration files
[02:11] <x4cau> maco,  I do not change anything on my xchat, and it continues like before
[02:11] <x4cau> with all my confs
[02:11] <maco> i just copied my .gnome and .xchat-gnome and everything from gutsy
[02:11] <maco> none of my settings were kept though
[02:11] <DanaG> Must've forgotten .gconf
[02:12] <maco> i had only one panel and certain applets loaded in my old gnome settings... it looks like a default ubuntu install here though
[02:12] <maco> no i got that
[02:12] <maco> and .gconfd
[02:12] <DanaG> .gnome2, too?
[02:12] <maco> yep
[02:12] <maco> i did cp -r .g*
[02:15] <x4cau> so .. what about my sloow ubuntu .. any one have the same problwm?
[02:15] <maco> irssi's reading its config file just fine...
[02:15] <maco> x4cau: yeah it seems like the menu doesnt always respond the first time i click on it
[02:15] <x4cau> i just upgrate do 8.04 .. n it turns too slow
[02:16] <x4cau> yeah .... it is the one of ...
[02:16] <x4cau> to load one program ... its too slow ... to load the system
[02:16] <maco> x4cau: i think we're supposed to insert newer software blah blah blah more features blah blah blah newer hardware has more capabilities to take advantage of blah blah blah here
[02:17] <x4cau> yeh .. it could be
[02:17] <x4cau> there is a inverse way to fix this?
[02:17] <x4cau> like .. uninstall
[02:17] <x4cau> on apt
[02:17] <maco> there's no downgrading
[02:18] <maco> you could try disabling some of the junk...umm....extra bonus features
[02:18] <maco> like tracker
[02:18] <maco> and bluetooth
[02:18] <x4cau> i'll try ..
[02:18] <DanaG> Well, there's not quite "no" downgrading, but it's really really really ill-advised, and tricky to do.  I've done it, but I won't do it again -- not worth the hassle.
[02:18] <maco> system -> admin -> services to get rid of bluetooth
[02:18] <x4cau> i hope that get better
[02:19] <maco> why is bluetooth stuff always installed?  it seems it shouldnt be installed if the hardware cant do it
[02:19]  * DanaG wonders.... does HP's 3D DriveGuard show up as a device in Linux?
[02:19] <maco> isnt aptitude supposed to have tab-autocomplete on package names?
[02:20] <Dr_willis_> maco,  not that i havwe noticed.
[02:20] <Arwen> maco, yes
[02:20] <Dr_willis_> I have seen some fancy bash-autocompletion scripts in the past that added similer features to apt-get and so on.
[02:20] <Arwen> did you install bash-completion ?
[02:20] <maco> that needs to be installed separately now?
[02:20] <Arwen> yeah
[02:20] <maco> -_-
[02:20] <maco> jerks
[02:21] <RoC_MasterMind> well filed a bug for my failed upgrade: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/195985
[02:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195985 in update-manager "update-manager could not upgrade...."release-upgrader-dpkg" untrusted" [Undecided,New]
[02:21] <RoC_MasterMind> hey!
[02:21] <RoC_MasterMind> that's the one ubotu!
[02:21] <maco> first an incomplete vim, now an incomplete bash....dang
[02:22] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu has always installed  the tiny-vim by default.  for ages..
[02:22] <maco> dapper had real vim
[02:23] <RoC_MasterMind> i'm sure you can install the full one
[02:23] <Arwen> emacs is better
[02:23] <Dr_willis_> did it?  Never noticed. I got a script i always run on each new install that installs the various tools i always want. :)
[02:23] <tomd123> can anyone point me to the the release schedule, with all the alpha and beta releases too? the future ones
[02:23] <DanaG> OOoh, there's a Thunderbird 3.0?
[02:23] <maco> !schedule
[02:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:23] <Dr_willis_> vim full, cream. fte, screen, gpm, others...
[02:23] <Arwen> DanaG, not that I know of
[02:23] <maco> hmm not as specific as i thought...
[02:23] <RoC_MasterMind> tomd123, that isn't planned beyond hte upcoming release.
[02:23] <maco> gpm? gnome power manager is definitely included
[02:24] <maco> screen's not though?
[02:24] <DanaG> g-p-m != gpm
[02:24] <maco> oh
[02:24] <tomd123> k, i thought that it might be sort of like freebsd's release schedule where the plan their alpha releases, thanks
[02:24] <DanaG> !info gpm
[02:24] <Arwen> isn't gpm a mouse server for the console?
[02:24] <ubotu> gpm (source: gpm): General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-25ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 373 kB, installed size 708 kB
[02:24] <maco> screen's installed by default
[02:25] <maco> maybe if i reboot again gnome will *pay attention* to my .gconf and .xchat-gnome? maybe? *crosses fingers*
[02:25] <Arwen> GAH, someone finish building linux-restricted-modules already
[02:28] <tomd123> So where would I specifically write if I get ubuntu 8.04 alpha 5 to install and then when I reboot it stalls forever, report where all ubuntu bugs go?
[02:29] <DanaG> I just install my own nvidia.
[02:29] <DanaG> sh NVIDIA-Linux-whatever.sh -Nan -K  (Nan for don't look for module, don't try to download module, do agree to license; -K for kernel part only.)
[02:37] <Chorca> Heyhey. Got a little CD/DVD installer issue on Hardy, wondering if'n anyone's had this..
[02:39] <Chorca> This has been happening since like Alpha 4, but I have a Gigabyte GA-7NNXP board with an Athlon XP processor.. When I boot the CD and select something from the menu, like install, or check cd for defects, I get the usplash screen that shows the kernel's booting, then it goes out and toggles my floppy drive like 7 times, then dumps me to a busybox prompt.
[02:39] <Chorca> haven't seen anything on the forums about it yet, thought i'd ask here.
[02:47] <beautifulsnow> Hey, for those who've updated to hardy.a5, is it worth it at the stage it's at?
[02:47] <Chorca> what're you at now?
[02:48] <beautifulsnow> gutsy and loving it
[02:48] <Chorca> There's still a few things broken.. I'm on A4 and trying to reinstall with A5 right now.. there's a bunch of improvements, but firefox-3.0 is the default and it's a bit flaky.
[02:49] <beautifulsnow> ff3? O.o odd.
[02:49] <beautifulsnow> Well, thanks for letting me know, I'll wait a lil bit, or maybe try on my other computer :3 *dance dance dance*
[02:49] <Chorca> yeh, it's good, but there's a few little things here and there with Java and such. Was an update last night that knocked out nvidia driver support for  abit
[02:50] <Chorca> Heh, yeah i don't know if i'd wanna upgrade a working gutsy install to an alpha hardy right now.. probably better off installing an alpha to a different drive or computer or something to play with it.
[02:52] <Chorca> 's kinda quiet... O_o
[02:53] <beautifulsnow> *cricket cricket(
[02:53] <Chorca> hehe, pretty much..
[03:03] <coz_> any news on sun java working on hardy?
[03:08] <Chorca> I got it working under ff3 with some  linking and random stuff
[03:10] <coz_> Chorca, mm   really?
[03:10] <coz_> Chorca, I know it wasnt working at all in hardy last week  so I thought I would aske to see if there has been any change
[03:11] <Chorca> Well the problems in FF3 were from xinerama
[03:11] <Chorca> it had some issue with locks and java would crash when an applet was initialized
[03:12] <coz_> Chorca, oh mm I think the problem in ubuntu is xcb  but not sure
[03:12] <Chorca> i linked the plugin and then ran one of the suggested commands to make it work, seemed to fix it.
[03:12] <macogw> is there some hidden "advanced" mode that i cant find for gnome-screensaver?
[03:12] <macogw> i cant set my name, url, zoom, etc for Electric Sheep
[03:12] <coz_> macogw,  well not that I am aware of
[03:13] <Chorca> macogw: they disabled the screensaver config a few versions ago
[03:13] <macogw> huh?
[03:13] <coz_> macogw, you can install xscreensaver and make all the setings thre and they should take effect in gnome screensaver
[03:13] <macogw> screensaver's still in the menu....
[03:13] <macogw> ok
[03:13] <macogw> why'd they go and dumb it down?
[03:13] <macogw> no fun
[03:13] <Chorca> There was some reason, i never saw it.
[03:13] <Chorca> I just know someone high up said that there would never be a screensaver config
[03:13] <coz_> macogw, I am not sure how good that will work out though I did it once and it worked but it was just a pain to have to open xscreensaver to use gnome screensaver
[03:14] <macogw> howabout a package for the version of xscreensaver that passes keypresses so you can vote on electric sheep?
[03:14] <macogw> well i think its confusing that gnome screensaver and xscreensaver both show in the menu as just "Screensaver" with the same icon
[03:14] <coz_> macogw, no I am not that into xscreensaver   sorry
[03:15] <Chorca> heh, that would be confusing..
[03:15] <Chorca> I don't know much about xscreensaver.. don't use them myself.
[03:15] <macogw> the 2nd one is xscreensaver
[03:15] <coz_> macogw, use alacart to remove the one that is gnome screensaver from the menu
[03:15] <Chorca> there hasn' tbeen a config since like dapper though
[03:15] <coz_> alacarte
[03:16] <taggie> anybody with laptops experiencing heat/battery problems since 2.6.24-10.16? after install, i could burn a hole in my lap.
[03:16] <coz_> xscreensaver is already a proven app  and I prefer it but as I said I rarely use screensavers anymore unless I use them with xwinwrap
[03:16] <RayRaspi> Ubuntu really needs to get a better handle on their System Control Panel kinda stuff -- SuSE's control panel is the best... hell you can even configure all your tablet features from it
[03:17] <coz_> RayRaspi,  graphics tablet features?
[03:17] <psyke83> hi, has anyone else noticed slow scrolling in firefox 3, especially on Gmail?
[03:17] <RayRaspi> coz_: tablet / laptop ..
[03:17] <coz_> RayRaspi,  for sure  both suse and red hat excell at that  particularly  tablet configuration
[03:17] <coz_> RayRaspi, some people for ubuntu still argue that few people use these features why bother but that is not the right approach
[03:18] <RayRaspi> coz_: it just bums me out because I have to keep tweaking all kinds of things on the Ubuntu install -- I'd write a package to do allt he work, but it'd conflict with other packages :)
[03:18] <RayRaspi> I'm a developer / photographer and I use ubuntu
[03:18] <coz_> RayRaspi, yep they lack in good quality configuration for important things like graphics tablets etc
[03:18] <RayRaspi> I own two tablets a Toshiba M200 and a Thinkpad X61t
[03:19] <macogw> hmm i think  gnome-screensaver still has *something* going though
[03:19] <coz_> RayRaspi,  I am a bit jealkour we had a motion computin tablets
[03:19] <macogw> preview on electricsheep in xscreensaver says electricsheep is already running
[03:19] <coz_> macogw, maybe disable it through gnome screensaver and start in in xscreensaver
[03:20] <RayRaspi> we truly need a unified configuration / control panel for X
[03:20] <coz_> RayRaspi,  I would be happy with a well installed wacom driver  at this point
[03:21] <RayRaspi> well I've seen SuSE do it with this hardware -- so i know it's possible
[03:21] <RayRaspi> however SuSE's update process and intuitiveness is absolute garbage
[03:21] <coz_> RayRaspi,  suse is like single click and off you go if you like their settings
[03:21] <RayRaspi> if you want anything outside of the box with SuSE... good luck...
[03:21] <RayRaspi> it's slow and a pain to get setup
[03:21] <coz_> RayRaspi, I tried suste but i still prefer ubuntu
[03:21] <RayRaspi> ... adding anything additional, I mean
[03:21] <coz_> suse
[03:21] <RayRaspi> same here
[03:22] <coz_> RayRaspi,  but talbet drivers are essential
[03:22] <RayRaspi> my tablet works fine
[03:22] <RayRaspi> I had to write my own screen rotate scripts
[03:22] <coz_> RayRaspi,  my wacom doesnt work at all on hardy
[03:22] <macogw> suse's "lets throw fglrx at it if it's ati, regardless of whether the card's supported or not" attitude sucks too
[03:22] <coz_> :)
[03:22] <Chorca> lol
[03:23] <coz_> well I stop here I dont want to conributi anymore to  bad ideas
[03:23] <coz_> ok guys just wanted to check on that java thingy
[03:23] <RayRaspi> does Java work in Ubuntu?
[03:24] <macogw> RayRaspi: why wouldnt it?
[03:24] <RayRaspi> also what's the proper way to connect to CIFS / SAMBA shares in Ubuntu 8.04
[03:25] <RayRaspi> there doesn't seem to be a stanard way
[03:25] <RayRaspi> proper = preferred
[03:25] <macogw>  RayRaspi i think that part of nautilus is borked right now
[03:25] <DanaG> smb://
[03:25] <RayRaspi> smb:// doesn't work because it isn't persistant
[03:25] <RayRaspi> it's instance-only
[03:26] <RayRaspi> I have a "windows" server and I want to map a drive to it
[03:26] <RayRaspi> am I stuck using fstab
[03:26] <DanaG> places->connect to server is back.
[03:26] <RayRaspi> last time I tried to use that (last week) it'd just ask me for my password over and over
[03:27] <RayRaspi> but if I used Samba4k that worked fine with the same credentials
[03:27] <DanaG> Aah, "Not Mounted" and then "Access Denied".
[03:27] <DanaG> Lame.
[03:27] <Chorca> I did the smb:/// thing in Nautilus and then set it to remember the password, after that it automatically mapped it to a desktop icon
[03:28] <RayRaspi> so Places -> Connect failed for you too?
[03:29] <DanaG> Odd: I connect to my home dir, yet the "sftp on <host>" takes me to the remote.
[03:29] <RayRaspi> basically I want to be able to reference the drive from scripts during my user session ... and I'd like to be able to run backup software against it
[03:30] <macogw> how do you submit a "needs packaging" bug?
[03:30] <macogw> is it just a normal bug or what?
[03:44] <RayRaspi> any idea on when Wine is going to be fixed :)
[03:45] <Arwen> RayRaspi, nevar!
[03:45]  * Arwen is STILL waiting for firefox to be fixed
[03:46] <Chorca> Arwen: lol, which problem?
[03:47] <Arwen> !info firefox-3.0-dev
[03:47] <ubotu> firefox-3.0-dev (source: firefox-3.0): Development files for Mozilla Firefox. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 128 kB
[03:47] <Arwen> this one
[03:48] <Chorca> you can kinda fudge the java problem.. i dunno what that one is..
[03:49] <DanaG> winecfg
[03:49] <DanaG> segfault!
[03:49] <Chorca> haha
[03:49] <Chorca> that one sucks
[03:49] <DanaG> That's all it does!
[03:50] <Chorca> been waiting for that to be fixed
[03:50] <DanaG> dana@GLaDOS:~$ winecfg
[03:50] <DanaG> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:50] <Arwen> wine sdfsfaf
[03:50] <Arwen> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:50] <Arwen> :-)
[03:50] <Arwen> DanaG, GLaDOS? hehe...
[03:50]  * Arwen is listening to Portal: Still Alive by Jonathan Coulton & GlaDOS on The Orange Box [Amarok]
[03:50] <Chorca> winSegmentation Fault (core dumped)
[03:51] <psyke83> hi, if anyone here notices firefox slow when scrolling gmail, let me know.   One of my friends suggested it.
[03:52] <DanaG> It's way better than "m685", which is my model of laptop.
[03:52] <DanaG> I wonder what I'll name my next laptop.
[03:52] <Chorca> mine's "Lappy386"
[03:52] <DanaG> homestarrunner.com?
[03:52] <RoC_MasterMind> yes
[03:52] <Arwen> athena@darknode:~$ echo Hello World! <-- yay for non-originality
[03:54] <DanaG> If ATI's Linux drivers are good enough by fall, I'll probably get an HP 8510p.   I believe the problem is widget rendering in Ubuntulooks
[03:55] <psyke83> all those "checkmark" boxes in Gmail's inbox causes a slowdown, I think
[03:56] <anon32> bah, I'm using gtk-qt for my current engine
[03:57] <psyke83> anon32, I dunno about that, but all the clearlooks-based engines are slow
[03:57] <psyke83> I'm not sure if the qt "translation" causes overhead; I don't have KDE installed so I don't use that
[03:58] <DanaG> I beg to differ with the "stupid cartoons".  It's more subjective than that.
[03:59] <DanaG> Certainly they're better than the average American cartoons I watched when I was younger.
[03:59] <anon32> DanaG, don't be pretentiouys
[03:59] <anon32> "omg, it's japanese its better"
[03:59] <DanaG> !ot
[03:59] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:00] <anon32> I don't see you there, thanks enough
[04:00] <DanaG> It's not that japanese implies better; it's that the ones I've watched are better than the others I've watched.
[04:00]  * anon32 hands DanaG a copy of "Toy Story"
[04:01] <DanaG> I had forgotten those, actually.  Those are very good, actually.
[04:01] <DanaG> Anyway, character names don't work as hostnames, for me.
[04:01] <DanaG> What else can I use?
[04:01] <CarlFK> what is 'the way' to load a module?  insmod?  modprobe... ?
[04:01] <anon32> DanaG, Norse mythology
[04:02] <DanaG> Those work.
[04:02] <CarlFK> types of bacon
[04:02] <anon32> and on average, I find that jap cartoons have: bad acting, lots of racism, condescending tones towards women, and pedophilia
[04:02] <CarlFK> cuz you can't name all boxes bacon
[04:02] <anon32> you could name one "canada-square-bacon" :-)
[04:03] <DanaG> I named an old, hot (70C idle, 87C load) laptop Amaterasu, for some Japanese deity of the sun (I think).
[04:03] <anon32> ^^ - fail
[04:03] <anon32> and the Japanese don't have gods
[04:04] <Chorca> go ITE RAID
[04:04] <anon32> raid?
[04:04] <Chorca> my ITE RAID controller worked great with Alpha 4.. then I ran an update.. and it didn't work again.
[04:05] <Chorca> huh. still isn't finding it.
[04:05] <DanaG> ✂✄✂✄
[04:06] <DanaG> Better:  "✌"
[04:06] <anon32> gah, SQUARES
[04:06] <DanaG> I use Pidgin.
[04:06] <DanaG> Mmmm, unicode.  Those 4 things were alternating solid and outline scissors, and the one in quotes is a hand with two fingers signing 'v' for 'victory'.
[04:09]  * DanaG throws a ✈ at somebody.
[04:10] <ionstorm> any idea when restricted-modules-generic 2.6.24-10 will be out?
[04:10] <ionstorm> or has it?
[04:10] <anon32> ionstorm, NEVER
[04:11] <ionstorm> omgz
[04:11] <Chorca> lol, hasn't yet.. i'm waiting to run the update still.
[04:11] <ionstorm> lol
[04:11] <Chorca> it borked my nvidia driver. I just reinstalled with Alpha 5, but i'll wait on the update. :P
[04:11] <RAOF> ionstorm: I've got it here.
[04:11] <ionstorm> is -10 supposed to fix the nvidia driver
[04:12] <ionstorm> hmm
[04:12] <ionstorm> it wont install, deps issue
[04:12] <ionstorm> how do I force it
[04:12] <RAOF> ionstorm: But then again, I *never* manually install a kernel.  I always wait for the metapackage to flip :)
[04:12] <ionstorm> the kernel is installed, just not the modules
[04:13]  * ionstorm curses
[04:13] <Belboz92> Hey all, anyone get Wine running yet?
[04:13] <Chorca> nope, still broke.
[04:13] <Belboz92> I've tried the 3 latest versions, all broke on Hardy for me
[04:13] <Belboz92> shoot
[04:13] <Chorca> we were just joking about that.
[04:13] <Belboz92> lol
[04:13] <Chorca> seems to like segfaults
[04:13] <ionstorm> wine .54 works fine
[04:14] <Belboz92> it took me the past 3 days to get my ATI/AMD 3650 to run on this thing too
[04:14] <ionstorm> thats what im runnning
[04:14] <RAOF> As does .55 from winehq.org.
[04:14] <Belboz92> really? I tried that and haven't had any luck
[04:14] <Belboz92> mine fails trying to create the .wine dir
[04:15] <Belboz92> btw, for those trying to run an ATI card, apparently ATI/AMD doesn't  like DRI, go figure :-P
[04:16] <shirish> hi all
[04:17] <shirish> does anybody know why I'm getting this output on full-upgrade
[04:17] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[04:17] <shirish> Reading package lists... Done
[04:17] <shirish> Building dependency tree
[04:17] <shirish> Reading state information... Done
[04:17] <shirish> Reading extended state information
[04:17] <shirish> Initializing package states... Done
[04:17] <shirish> Building tag database... Done
[04:17] <shirish> The following packages are BROKEN:
[04:17] <Belboz92> just post the error line shirish
[04:17] <anon32> GAH
[04:17] <shirish>   linux-restricted-modules-generic
[04:17] <shirish> 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:17] <shirish> Need to get 25.9kB of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[04:17] <shirish> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:17] <shirish>   linux-restricted-modules-generic: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic which is a virtual package.
[04:17] <DanaG> STOP!
[04:17] <shirish> Resolving dependencies...
[04:17] <shirish> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[04:17]  * Belboz92 waits for flood
[04:17] <anon32> shirish, the package isn't out yet
[04:17] <shirish> Remove the following packages:
[04:17] <shirish> linux-restricted-modules-generic
[04:17] <shirish> Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
[04:17] <shirish> jockey-common recommends linux-restricted-modules-generic | linux-restricted-modules-386
[04:17] <shirish> Score is -441
[04:17] <shirish> oops, sorry guys
[04:17] <shirish> ah ok,
[04:17]  * shirish no flood
[04:19] <ionstorm> i have the same problem
[04:19] <ionstorm> :(
[04:21] <ionstorm> anyone know how many ppl run ubuntu
[04:22] <ionstorm> is it possible to find out by who updates
[04:22] <ionstorm> with the enable statistics option
[04:22] <Belboz92> anyone know about the status of alsa?
[04:23] <Belboz92> alsa keeps on crashing my system, while it's doing alsactl -store
[04:23] <shirish> ionstorm: what is the enable statistics option?
[04:23] <ionstorm> open up software sources and enable submit statistics
[04:24] <shirish> ionstorm: ah ok, I think thats for popularity-contest or something.
[04:24] <ionstorm> yea
[04:24] <ionstorm> but wouldnt that enable someoneone to guestimate how many ppl run ubuntu
[04:24] <ionstorm> or are updating
[04:24] <Belboz92> anyone know of a good game to test out 3D accell on an ATI/AMD 3650?
[04:25] <RAOF> OpenArena!
[04:25] <Chorca> Tuxracer? :D
[04:25] <anon32> Belboz92, Doom 3
[04:26] <anon32> or Quake 4
[04:26] <anon32> or UT 3
[04:26] <RAOF> ionstorm, shirish: That package is out, but may not have propogated to your mirrors.
[04:28] <Belboz92> k, thanks
[04:28] <ionstorm> what mirror are u using
[04:28] <ionstorm> im using the server for the united states
[04:28] <RAOF> I use ftp.iinet.com.au, au.archive.ubuntu.com, and archive.ubuntu.com.
[04:28] <shirish> RAOF: I'm using the uk mirror
[04:28] <RAOF> In that order :)
[04:28] <anon32> I'm using the USA mirror
[04:28] <anon32> like smart people :-P
[04:28] <shirish> RAOF: I use archive.ubuntu.com
[04:28] <RAOF> Well, just wait for the package to propogate to your mirrors.  This shouldn't really be something that surprises you :)
[04:28] <DanaG> 3650 is out?  I wonder when the mobile ones will be out.
[04:28] <Belboz92> How about ETQW? ;)
[04:28] <ionstorm> I just switched to archive.ubuntu.com and its not there
[04:28] <Belboz92> I just found a demo for it in native Linux :)
[04:29] <Belboz92> DanaG: yeah, I got a 3650 last week, it's pretty nice, besides the fact that it's support in Linux is undocumented by AMD/ATI
[04:29] <RAOF> ionstorm: My "apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic" disaggrees.  It's on a.u.c and on au.a.u.c
[04:29] <Belboz92> and it doesn't work worth a hoot in Gutsy, hence my recent switch to Hardy :-P
[04:30] <DanaG> I'm hoping that by summer: A: either fglrx or radeonhd will be at least as good as nvidia.  B: that the mobile cards will be out, in the laptop I'm considering.
[04:31] <DanaG> HP 8510p.
[04:31] <anon32> RAOF, it's not out yet. At least not according to packages.ubuntu.com.
[04:31] <DanaG> Oh, and who was it that had the 8710w?  I'm curious what LSPCI -nn shows.
[04:32] <DanaG> Namely, the smart card reader (not that I have anything to use it for), the Intel AMT stuff (if it's a device), the HP 3D DriveGuard, and the light sensor.
[04:33] <shirish> ionstorm: enable statistics is already checked
[04:34] <shirish> RAOF: anon32 is correct, it isn't seen by packages.ubuntu.com
[04:35] <shirish> lemme check launchpad & report back.
[04:35] <RAOF> shirish, anon32: packages.ubuntu.com is not necessarily up to date. :)
[04:35] <anon32> RAOF, then give us a direct link to a package please..
[04:35] <anon32> let's go rape the mirror!
[04:36] <ionstorm> RAOF can u port your sources.list on pastebin
[04:36] <ionstorm> post*
[04:36] <ionstorm> i cannot believe i cant see that package
[04:36] <ionstorm> hrm
[04:37] <ionstorm> i even switched to the servers u specified and updated
[04:38]  * RAOF doesn't know anything more than "*I* have l-r-m-2.6.24-10-generic <IP_ADDRESS>-10.26 installed from a.u.c".
[04:40] <anon32> is someone here on amd64?
[04:40]  * RAOF is.
[04:41] <anon32> exactly
[04:41] <anon32> it's out on amd64
[04:41] <anon32> but not i386
[04:41] <Chorca> boy, that's a first.
[04:41] <RAOF> Not really, the i386 buildds have a higher workload than the amd64 buildds.
[04:42] <shirish> Bug #195912 at your service guys, apparently that  is a FTBS thing
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195912 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic broken after latest updates [Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 5]" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195912
[04:45] <shirish> although there is a restricted-modules package which has been successfully built about 6 hrs. ago or so it says https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/<IP_ADDRESS>-10.27/+build/525459
[04:51] <DanaG> Odd.... firefox killed X when I unminimized it.
[04:52] <DanaG> The only tab open was this:  http://www.facilities.calpoly.edu/campusprojects/EngIV_Web_Cam.htm
[04:52] <emgent> firefox 3.0 ?
[04:54] <DanaG> Yup.
[04:54] <emgent> ARGH
[04:54] <Chorca> Firefox 3 does lots of fun things.. did this earlier http://i27.tinypic.com/14doqk5.png
[04:55] <anon32> hey cool, Firefox 3 image handling works again
[04:55] <anon32> thanks to whoever the genius that fixed it was
[04:56] <Chorca> wow
[04:56] <Chorca> it does it right out of the install
[04:56] <Chorca> someone want to confirm that?
[04:56] <Chorca> go to noaa.gov, find your location, and click the radar image?
[04:56] <Chorca> totally jacks FF3
[04:57] <anon32> can not find said radar image
[04:57] <Chorca> any radar image on that site will work
[04:57] <anon32> clickedo ne
[04:57] <anon32> what's supposed to happen?
[04:58] <Chorca> same thing that's in that picture
[04:58] <anon32> no issues yet
[04:58] <Chorca> CPU usage skyrockets, title bar gets repeated
[04:58] <Chorca> huh.
[04:58] <Chorca> video card?
[04:58] <anon32> X300SE on fglrx and kernel 2.6.24-8
[04:59] <Chorca> hmm.. i'm on an nvidia.
[04:59] <Chorca> this was fresh install from the Alpha 5
[04:59] <anon32> oh, I had issues like that earlier today
[04:59] <anon32> either reverting kernels or the typical updates fixed it
[05:00] <Chorca> hmm.. it was happening earlier, after I ran the updates.
[05:11] <CarlFK> whats the bug# for the linux-restricted-modules-generic thing?
[05:13] <anon32> 195912
[05:14] <CarlFK> bug# 195912
[05:14] <CarlFK> why isn't ubot botting?
[05:15] <CarlFK> bug #195912
[05:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195912 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic broken after latest updates [Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 5]" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195912
[05:15] <CarlFK> Fix committed- yay
[05:16] <anon32> I call BS on that, but...
[05:16] <CarlFK> yeah, I was wondering why I didn't see it yet
[05:22] <DanaG> Who was it that had the 8710w notebook?
[05:24] <AtomicSpark> hp? i have a 6820s
[05:24] <DanaG> Does that have the 3D DriveGuard thingy, and/or the light sensor?
[05:24] <DanaG> I'm curious what lspci -nn shows for those.
[05:25] <AtomicSpark> ugh. explain the light sensor? it -might- have the 3d drive thingy.
[05:25] <DanaG> Light sensor is for dimming the LCD when in dark areas, and brightening it when in bright areas.
[05:25] <DanaG> 3D DriveGuard is a drop/impact sensor thingy.
[05:25] <DanaG> Not all of the business notebooks have it.
[05:26] <AtomicSpark> no to light sensor.
[05:28] <Mark_Milliman> I just completed a bunch of upgrades including upgrading the kernel to -10, but I lost my the native nVidia (nvidia) for the Ubuntu generic (nv) driver.
[05:28] <AtomicSpark> i dont think it has either. seems like only their older stuff has it.
[05:28] <Mark_Milliman> How do I get the nvidia-new driver back
[05:29] <Mark_Milliman> I used Synaptic package manager to reinstall nvidia-new and rebooted, but that didn't do anything
[05:29] <AtomicSpark> my laptop line just came out last augest. i have the "s" version. s = shitty. ha.
[05:29] <DanaG> It DOES have driveguard, though.
[05:29] <AtomicSpark> mine does?
[05:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> how's hardy been running for those with a dell 1420n (if anyone here is using one, that is)
[05:30] <AtomicSpark> i thought it did... but i can't find it.
[05:30] <AtomicSpark> Daisuke_Laptop: did you look at the laptop page?
[05:30] <DanaG> Google for the model number.
[05:30] <DanaG> 6820s
[05:30] <AtomicSpark> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/
[05:31] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: i did. where did you find it talk about 3d drive guard?
[05:31] <AtomicSpark> "he HP DriveGuard helps protect your notebook from system failures and data loss caused by operational shock due to an accidental drop."
[05:32] <AtomicSpark> might be the same thing? :P
[05:32] <DanaG> Same thing, yes.
[05:32] <DanaG> I'm wondering whether it's BIOS-level or userspace.
[05:32] <AtomicSpark> i am guessing bios level. same with my fancy networking button.
[05:32] <AtomicSpark> woot.
[05:33] <DanaG> No special lspci device?  Bummer.
[05:33] <Mark_Milliman> Anybody know how to get back the restricted mode nvidia drivers?
[05:33] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: don't listen to me. i assume too much. lol.
[05:33] <DanaG> Go to console and do lspci -nn
[05:34] <DanaG> and look for anything by name that might sound like it.
[05:34] <Chorca> mark:boot to a previous kernel for now until the updated modules are available.
[05:35] <Mark_Milliman> Ah so the -10 kernel does not support those drivers yet?
[05:35] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: nope. just a shitton of usbs, and one pci, isa (????), ide, sata, and network.
[05:35] <Chorca> the modules package failed to build, so we have to wait until it is built and distributed.
[05:35] <RAOF> Apparently not, unless you're on amd64 :P
[05:36] <AtomicSpark> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller [8086:2815] (rev 03)
[05:36] <Mark_Milliman> Should have listened to update-manager when it wanted to leave the kernel alone
[05:36] <AtomicSpark> :-/
[05:36] <Mark_Milliman> I'll go back to -8
[05:36] <Mark_Milliman> Thank God for Grub
[05:37] <Mark_Milliman> Chorca, thanks! :)
[05:37] <DanaG> LPC is a far-more-compact replacement for ISA, for the few devices (such as sensor chips) that still use it.
[05:37] <Chorca> np
[05:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> AtomicSpark: no, i hadn't checked that out, i wasn't even aware of its existence, i just hang out in here so i can pop my head in from time to time to see what's happening
[05:38] <Mark_Milliman> There were about 120 updates to day if my memory serves me right
[05:38] <DanaG> Hmm, looks like the DriveGuard may be userspace.
[05:39] <Mark_Milliman> Chorca, the -8 kernel booted up with the proper nvidia driver
[05:39] <AtomicSpark> and what does that mean?
[05:39] <RAOF> That would make sense.  Other accererometers tend be used by userspace tools.
[05:39] <DanaG> Well, it means that the device must somehow be exposed to userspace, but it's not a PCI device.
[05:39] <DanaG> I wonder where it is, then.
[05:39] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: on the harddrive itself?
[05:40] <DanaG> No, it's a feature of the notebook, in this case.
[05:40] <Chorca> USB?
[05:40] <DanaG> Perhaps SMBus.
[05:41] <AtomicSpark> hmm.
[05:41] <DanaG> Aah, DriveGuard and 3D DriveGuard are different.
[05:41] <DanaG> http://www.hp.com/sbso/special/computing/notebook-design-engineering
[05:42] <DanaG> " •	A rigid mounting scheme has been tested and proven effective in dramatically reducing shock transmission to the hard drive. "
[05:42] <DanaG> Seems backwards to me.
[05:44] <DanaG> Heh, their video is a bit funny.
[05:44] <AtomicSpark> so. does mine shut down the drive on impact?
[05:45] <DanaG> Apparently not.
[05:45] <AtomicSpark> "A lid switch policy places the system in standby when it's on DC power and the lid is closed, preventing the hard drive head from striking and potentially damaging the disk when the system is banged, bumped, or dropped while mobile." .. not in ubuntu.
[05:45] <AtomicSpark> :P
[05:46] <DanaG> See the video?
[05:46] <AtomicSpark> no. says ie only.
[05:46] <AtomicSpark> :(
[05:46] <DanaG> My Gateway actually has a spot where my palm has worn off the paint, and the underlying white plastic is exposed.
[05:47] <DanaG> Hit 'okay'.
[05:47] <DanaG> Just don't try to seek.
[05:47] <AtomicSpark> i did. nothing.
[05:47] <macogw> DanaG: so does mine on the left click button
[05:47] <DanaG> My Gateway lid also has a floppy hinge on one side, and a bashed hinge cover on the other.
[05:47] <AtomicSpark> yeah im leaving shiny spots on mine already. had it less then a year.
[05:47] <DanaG> Sounds like I could use one of those HP ones.
[05:48] <AtomicSpark> ick. as you can tell the new hinges are stronger.
[05:48] <AtomicSpark> if you break them, you broke the lcd. lol.
[05:49] <DanaG> Mine actually has a screw coming loose.  No thread locker, apparently.
[05:49] <DanaG> And the second screw on that side.... the head snapped off.
[05:49] <Mark_Milliman> still can't view Windows client shares through Nautilus
[05:49] <AtomicSpark> http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Intel_Real_Mode_Emulation_Problems
[05:49] <Mark_Milliman> but I can see most of the network and servers
[05:49] <AtomicSpark> will they ever get around this?
[05:50] <AtomicSpark> Mark_Milliman: try "network" and then click on windows network, then the workgroup. :D most people miss that...
[05:51] <DanaG> Heh, "One knock is that HP included a plastic dummy insert for the the PCMCIA slot, a flap is preferable as those inserts are tricky and tend to get lost eventually."
[05:51] <Chorca> if clicking network tells you it doesn't support that, then you probably don't have the nautilus update.
[05:51] <DanaG> My cardbus slot flap BROKE on my Gateway.  And the ejector lever.... came out one day, and lost a spring.
[05:51] <DanaG> The ejector lever is supposed to eject the card, not the lever.  Hah!
[05:51] <Mark_Milliman> AtomicSpark, did that too. Just have smb:/// in the location and nothing displayed.  There should be 4 machines currently present
[05:52] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: i like my insert. i play with it a lot.
[05:52] <AtomicSpark> its also not a pcmcia.. its a...
[05:52]  * AtomicSpark looks
[05:52] <AtomicSpark> express card
[05:53] <DanaG> And one peeve of mine: PCMCIA is NOT THE SAME THING AS CARDBUS!
[05:53] <AtomicSpark> on that was my questoin, what does express card use? pci?
[05:53] <Mark_Milliman> What happened to Python.  Looks like it broke Miro
[05:53] <Amaranth> anyone use virt-manager?
[05:53] <AtomicSpark> *oh
[05:53] <DanaG> If Creative calls their sound card a PCMCIA card, I should be able to stick it in an ISA-to-PCMCIA adapter.
[05:53] <Amaranth> Mark_Milliman: Or Miro is just broken
[05:53] <DanaG> ExpressCard is PCIe and USB2.0.
[05:53] <Mark_Milliman> It worked just fine earlier today
[05:54] <AtomicSpark> neato. my laptop is leet. has new standards. expressy and SD.
[05:54] <Amaranth> Mark_Milliman: An error log would be helpful
[05:54] <Amaranth> We're not psychic
[05:54] <Amaranth> ...or are we?
[05:54] <DanaG> The 8510p has cardbus, and expresscard is only in the dock.
[05:55] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: you know you want the 6820s. mm full keyboard.
[05:55] <Mark_Milliman> Need to fire up IRC client on Linux box
[05:55] <Chorca> I want that new Thinkpad..
[05:55] <Mark_Milliman> to get a traceback
[05:55] <DanaG> I'm coming from a 7.5 pound 17" notebook, and I want a good discrete GPU.
[05:55] <DanaG> 8600M or HD2600.
[05:55] <AtomicSpark> talking about full keyboard.. waht the hell is wrong with laptops and the numpad. i have to turn it off and then on again to get it to work. :|
[05:55] <AtomicSpark> so annoying.
[05:56] <Amaranth> you have a numpad?
[05:56] <Amaranth> that must be a 17"
[05:56] <AtomicSpark> i have a full keyboard... 17" widescreen lol
[05:56] <AtomicSpark> my first laptop and i'm very happy with it.
[05:57]  * AtomicSpark sighs
[05:58] <AtomicSpark> i dont like how i have to disable kvm and acpi to just install a linux guest. i mean, they need to fix this.
[05:58] <AtomicSpark> installing shouldnt take hours.
[05:58] <DanaG> Currrent notebook:  http://consumer.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEyOSwxLCxoY29uc3VtZXI=
[05:58] <macogw> AtomicSpark: with what?
[05:59] <macogw> virtualbox doesnt make you do that...
[05:59] <Amaranth> mine http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3010&review=dv8000t+Review
[05:59] <Mark_Milliman> Last update really hozed up things
[05:59] <AtomicSpark> well unlike most 14 year olds, i don't use "virtualbox".
[05:59] <DanaG> Best thing I did with my notebook: stick a pair of rubber feet from an old SCSI CD tower on it.
[05:59] <RAOF> Man, 17"?  I kinda regret buing this 15" lappy :)
[06:00] <AtomicSpark> DanaG: why is your laptop so pricy? it doesnt have anything amazing on it. :-\
[06:00] <DanaG> Hey, don't insult Virtualbox.  It's faster than Qemu/KVM, and it has a better UI than VMWare Workstation.
[06:00] <DanaG> I got it as a sort of scholarship, you could say.  It was Gateway or nothing.
[06:00] <RAOF> AtomicSpark: Bug report?  I've happily installed Sid under kvm many times.
[06:00]  * AtomicSpark will insult things he never used
[06:01] <macogw> whats wrong with virtualbox?
[06:01] <AtomicSpark> how's KVM in hardy?
[06:01] <AtomicSpark> any improvements?
[06:01] <RAOF> Many.
[06:01] <RAOF> I think it even handles some of the real-mode things which would crash it earlier.
[06:01] <AtomicSpark> good. i like kvm for some reason.
[06:01] <RAOF> And virt-manager rocks hard.
[06:01] <AtomicSpark> oh well that will fix a lot of my problems. :D
[06:01] <DanaG> One thing to try: StarDock BootSkin, for Windows VMs.
[06:02] <macogw> DanaG: im never buying another gateway again.
[06:02] <DanaG> Too bad nobody makes a nice, powerful, switchable-gpu-or-igp (if possible), 14" tablet.
[06:02] <AtomicSpark> macogw: nothing is wrong with it. i just have this thing about using stuff that is "cool". ubuntu's young following almost kept me from using it.
[06:02] <macogw> DanaG: ive had this one for 19 months.  it has been to the shop 3 times so far.  bah!
[06:02] <DanaG> The best GPU in a tablet is the Go 7400 in the Gateway tablet.
[06:03] <macogw> AtomicSpark: er... "fast" and "free" dont matter?
[06:03] <AtomicSpark> hey did they ever get encrypted lvm in the live cd?
[06:03] <Chorca> It does kinda suck that the good GPUs are in the lame laptops. :/
[06:03] <macogw> as far as im concerned good GPU = intel
[06:03] <RAOF> DanaG: I _think_ you can get a ThinkPad X61 in about that sort of form factor.
[06:03]  * AtomicSpark alt cd doesnt work on my laptop
[06:03] <macogw> open source drivers :)
[06:03] <Chorca> X300 :D
[06:04] <macogw> RAOF: there definitely is a thinkpad tablet either 14 or 15 inches
[06:04] <DanaG> Intel doesn't do discrete GPU!
[06:04] <macogw> i was playing on lenovo.com last night
[06:04] <macogw> discrete gpu?
[06:04] <RAOF> DanaG: Not until 2009/10, no :)
[06:04] <macogw> all i care is that one of these "restricted modules didnt get uploaded right" things doesnt break the graphics.  having open source graphics guarantees that.
[06:05] <RAOF> DanaG: But at least one of the X61s I looked at had a geforce 8600 on it.
[06:05] <macogw> all the ati and nvidia users were crying about their lost X in August '06 and i was going about my business, X working dandily.
[06:05]  * AtomicSpark is shamely used envy
[06:05]  * AtomicSpark made up a word
[06:05] <DanaG> I read changelogs first, before upgrading stuff.
[06:05] <RAOF> You should be using nouveau, damnit :)
[06:06] <DanaG> Link me to this Lenovo, then.
[06:06]  * AtomicSpark wonders if people can see his me commands
[06:06] <macogw> AtomicSpark: nope. they're invisible.
[06:06]  * RAOF needs to update his PPA for teh -10 kernel.
[06:07]  * AtomicSpark wonders what -10 kernels are. wonders why he always wants to spell it kernal.
[06:08] <Chorca> -10 is the new kernel that just fudged everyone's video
[06:08] <AtomicSpark> but why is it -10? sounds like nice.
[06:08] <RAOF> Chorca: Speak for yourself.  Some of us run x86-64 :)
[06:08] <Chorca> lol
[06:09] <RAOF> DanaG: Hm.  I don't seem to be able to; all the X61's seem to be using Intel graphics.
[06:09] <AtomicSpark> i could.. but i like my flash and dont like workaround.
[06:09] <Amaranth> anyone use virt-manager?
[06:09] <AtomicSpark> and since most 64 bit software is just recompiled 32 and have no improvements, i lost interest in 64 for now.
[06:09] <DanaG> Anyway: what I want:  Durable, 14" or 15", with new midrange GPU.
[06:09] <Amaranth> AtomicSpark: What improvements do you think are 64-bit specific?
[06:09] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yup.
[06:10] <Amaranth> RAOF: you use it?
[06:10] <RAOF> DanaG: Oh.  Here we go: some of these (16.54.59|     DanaG)) Intel doesn't do discrete GPU!
[06:10] <AtomicSpark> faster, stronger, better!
[06:10] <Amaranth> RAOF: what do you get when you run 'virsh -c qemu://system list'?
[06:10] <RAOF> DanaG: http://www-604.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10000036&catalogId=-36&langId=036&categoryId=4611686018425096212&seriesid=2056940 <- fit.
[06:10] <DanaG> Bad paste the first time?
[06:10] <Amaranth> AtomicSpark: it would be faster only if it could take advantage of the extra registers which the compiler does automatically
[06:10] <DanaG> Stupid Quadro numbering.
[06:11] <DanaG> I can't tell what consumer card it corresponds to.
[06:11] <AtomicSpark> well this website convenced me that unless im running more then 4gb, its not worth it. :\
[06:11] <RAOF> Amaranth: "Cannot access CA certificate"
[06:11] <Amaranth> AtomicSpark: yep
[06:11] <Amaranth> AtomicSpark: and it actually uses more memory in the general case
[06:11] <macogw> Chorca: didnt fudge my video...
[06:12] <macogw> i have desktop effects and everything...
[06:12] <RAOF> Bigger pointers, bigger longs!
[06:12] <Amaranth> It only 'breaks' nvidia and fglrx because someone upgraded their kernel without making sure linux-restricted-modules was updated
[06:12] <macogw> DanaG: what does "discrete gpu" mean?
[06:12] <AtomicSpark> discrete graphics!
[06:12] <AtomicSpark> D:
[06:12]  * AtomicSpark googles
[06:12] <Amaranth> macogw: it has its own memory
[06:12] <Chorca> A GPU that isn't integrated into the chipset?
[06:13] <Amaranth> Chorca: So I would say if the -10 kernel broke your video you are probably not smart enough to be using hardy.
[06:13] <atrus> hrm. something in an update in the last week or so broke my laptop's suspend-resume. on resume, the display blinks on, like it's setting a video mode, but then remains stuck on solid black. I can ctrl-alt-delete to reboot blindly, or hit the power button, which halts the machine, but otherwise can't switch consoles or anything else useful. Any suggestions as to where to start looking for the culprit?
[06:13] <RAOF> Darn.  Someone's broken virt-manager :(
[06:14] <Amaranth> RAOF: yep
[06:14] <AtomicSpark> its a deichi!
[06:14] <Amaranth> RAOF: i can't create a new image and virsh doesn't work
[06:14] <RAOF> Amaranth: I can't run my Sid VM
[06:14] <DanaG> Dig around in /etc/default/acpi-support for video and vbe options.
[06:15] <DanaG> But first: comment the defaults!  (yes, exclamation!)
[06:16]  * AtomicSpark wants a server channel
[06:16] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-server
[06:16] <Amaranth> If it doesn't exist I'll be surprised
[06:16] <Chorca> :P
[06:16]  * RAOF knows it exists, because the server team hang in there.
[06:16]  * AtomicSpark wonders why channels dont show
[06:17] <DanaG> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3708&review=ThinkPad+T61
[06:17] <Amaranth> RAOF: seems kvm is broken
[06:17] <Amaranth> RAOF: or rather the code for dealing with kvm in libvirt is broken
[06:17] <Chorca> I think the fact is that I don't mind, cause I know how to fix it.
[06:17] <Amaranth> oh, i'm not in the kvm group
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> is there a kvm group?
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> D:
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> oh. you dont know how to install it.
[06:18] <Amaranth> in the adduser sense, yes
[06:18] <AtomicSpark> lawls
[06:19] <AtomicSpark> D:
[06:19] <Chorca> wtf
[06:19] <AtomicSpark> i was kicked!
[06:19]  * AtomicSpark guesses he doesnt need the link to install guide
[06:20] <Amaranth> Yes.
[06:20] <AtomicSpark> damn. and i wanted to be helpful.
[06:21] <Amaranth> Install guide for what?
[06:21] <DanaG> Hmm, the ThinkPad is still a bit ugly to me.  Hmm, 1 extra pound for the sake of a bigger screen and a nicer appearance?    You can get the mouse loked to the screen if you really want"
[06:26] <Amaranth> right, vmware is always lock to get any kind of focus until you install their special drivers
[06:26] <Amaranth> and even then it doesn't work right half the time
[06:26] <RAOF> Eep.
[06:29] <jianfei> hi, upgraded to 2.6.24-10 nvidia go 7600 only displays res of 800*600 any idea how to fix?
[06:29] <Amaranth> *facepalm*
[06:29] <Amaranth> jianfei: Use 2.6.24-9, problem solved
[06:30] <jianfei> amaranth: so no fix for 24-10?
[06:30] <RAOF> jianfei: Well, actually usi 2.6.24-8, because 2.6.24-9 wasn't released.
[06:31] <AtomicSpark> jianfei: did you install your own kernel?
[06:31] <Amaranth> jianfei: The fix is to wait until all the parts are ready before using a new kernel
[06:31] <jianfei> yeh, strange i used update manager and it installed from there
[06:31]  * macogw wants to kill the other laptop
[06:31] <AtomicSpark> lies
[06:32] <macogw> it should not take 5 hours to copy 139MB of data to a USB drive with USB 2.0!!!!
[06:32] <AtomicSpark> macogw: it does if your stick that you got at a "awesome discount" has horrible r/w speeds.
[06:32] <macogw> it used to work fast
[06:33] <macogw> as of yesterday, it takes over 2 minutes to copy each megabyte
[06:33] <AtomicSpark> oh well thats different. maybe it broke?
[06:33] <macogw> thats what im thinking
[06:33] <macogw> which would suck
[06:33] <macogw> its 6 months old
[06:33] <naught101> can anyone confirm that bash autocompletion doesn't work with sudo in hardy>
[06:33] <DanaG> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3939
[06:33] <DanaG> review of HP.
[06:33] <macogw> and i just had another one die...that one died in the form of being empty and claiming to have 3.2 of 3.8 gigs in use
[06:33] <jianfei> i still have no idea how it upgraded, its not like i know what im doing!
[06:33] <DanaG> Bash sudo completion has been broken for me... like, always.  I think.
[06:33] <AtomicSpark> i doubt that this is the problem but they do have a max r/w amount lol. which is the main reason you shouldn't buy a solidstate harddrive yet.
[06:34] <macogw> naught101: intall bash-completion
[06:34] <AtomicSpark> its like 10x less then a normal hd.
[06:34] <macogw> naught101: they took it out of default bash
[06:34] <DanaG> LAME!
[06:34] <macogw> thats what i said
[06:34]  * RAOF uses zsh, and as such has autocomplete for nearly everything.
[06:34] <naught101> macogw: but completion works normally, just not with sudo
[06:34] <DanaG> Oh, and no changelogs!
[06:34] <DanaG> WTF?
[06:35] <macogw> actually i said something along the lines of "first they ruin vim, now they ruin bash..."   There's a config file to set it.
[06:38] <macogw> he thinks emacs is a good idea...
[06:38] <macogw> and look what it got him....carpal tunnel
[06:38] <AtomicSpark> you could alias it. :P but ill check that out. thanks!
[06:38] <DanaG> vim and emacs come down to personal preference; hard-wrapping is just BROKEN.
[06:39] <macogw> DanaG: when your editor forces you to either give dictation or use foot-pedals for ctrl and meta because it has destroyed your hands...something is wrong with it
[06:43] <SeveredCross> Does anyone know why mount.cifs would refuse to mount as guest when smbclient as guest works just fine?
[06:49] <AtomicSpark> anyone know how to add a user in mysql?
[06:50] <lemonade> AtomicSpark: GRANT ALL ON [table].* TO `[username]` IDENTIFIED BY `[password]`;
[06:51] <lemonade> AtomicSpark: that table could be database too...
[06:54] <AtomicSpark> this command line business is too tricky. needs moar *nix standards.
[06:54] <AtomicSpark> i can always be lazy and install webmin or phpmyadmin
[06:56] <macogw> why is ttf-liberation in multiverse?
[06:56]  * AtomicSpark lawls
[06:56] <macogw> the fonts are GPL'd
[06:57] <AtomicSpark> i cant believe ive been using shutdown -t now instead of poweroff
[06:57] <AtomicSpark> :\
[06:57] <macogw> i always use "sudo halt"
[06:59] <jianfei> fixed nvidia! using 2.6.24-10 with 1680*1050 used debian tutorial
[06:59] <AtomicSpark> i hear shutdown is easier on your file system then halt. i donno.
[06:59] <AtomicSpark> i need to read more into such things.
[07:00] <RAOF> jianfei: You've probably now broken the upgrade to 2.6.24-11
[07:00] <jianfei> nah
[07:00] <jianfei> http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/152/212/
[07:01] <macogw> well "shutdown -h now" im pretty sure the -h just means "halt"
[07:01] <macogw> i dont see how they could be any different from "init 0"
[07:01] <RAOF> jianfei: Which one of those options did you use?
[07:01] <SeveredCross> Oh hey, network:// is fixed.
[07:01] <SeveredCross> :D
[07:02]  * SeveredCross does the "network:// is fixed" dance
[07:02] <jianfei> RAOF: from #m-a prepare onwards i skipped all the stuff above
[07:03] <RAOF> jianfei: Hm.  That _may_ not have broken your upgrade path.
[07:03] <AtomicSpark> goodnight
[07:03] <RAOF> jianfei: On the other hand, it's entirely possible that you're now using the nv driver :)
[07:03] <jianfei> yes
[07:03] <jianfei> ;-)
[07:04] <RAOF> Because dpkg-reconfigure will write a nearly empty xorg.conf, and X will default to nv.
[07:16] <jianfei> RAOF: yeh displays a lovely nvidia logo before login
[07:18] <dencrypt> anyone got any idea why alsamixer goes to 0 on all volumes when I logout/reboot?
[07:19] <DanaG> Well, it's better than going to full volume, as Creative's soundcards do on driver update in Windows... or upon inserting headphones.
[07:19] <dencrypt> haha
[07:19] <dencrypt> Chock everytime? :)
[07:20] <dencrypt> -c+s
[07:23] <dencrypt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firefox3#preview
[07:23] <dencrypt> anybody up for writing the 32bit part? :)
[07:23] <dencrypt> don't have any 32bit system :)
[07:27] <DanaG> Eeh, wildmidi sucks because it can't use soundfont (sf2) files.
[07:29] <DanaG> dagblasted ctrl key is half-stuck.
[07:29] <DanaG> Mouse thinks ctrl is stuck, but keyboard thinks key is not stuck.
[07:31] <macogw> dencrypt: er...what would you need to write for 32bit?
[07:31] <dencrypt> I dunno :)
[07:31] <dencrypt> that it sux?
[07:31] <dencrypt> :D
[07:31] <macogw> dencrypt: except that should be nspluginwrapper, not ndiswrapper for using 32bit plugins in 64bit firefox
[07:31] <dencrypt> ah
[07:31] <dencrypt> your right
[07:31] <macogw> dencrypt: well 32bit works without your extra stuff ;)
[07:34] <dencrypt> however. Does flashplugin-nonfree install itself in gutsy too for 64-bit systems? I've only tested in hardy. I guess that is allways the problem when writing wiki, to actally confirm everything.
[07:36] <Assid> dencrypt:  32 bit part ?!
[07:36] <macogw> dunno
[07:37] <qzio> hu? aptitude wants to remove  linux-generic?!
[07:38] <qzio> just doing my daily aptitude dist-upgrade...
[07:38] <Assid> why dont we just have a 64bit version ready to dowload ?
[07:38] <Assid> qzio: wait a bit
[07:38] <qzio> i guess it's alright, just wanted to check..
[07:39] <qzio> a wait, it's installing linux-image-2.6.24-10-generic... :)
[07:40] <macogw> qzio: dont upgrade
[07:40] <macogw> qzio: the restricted modules havent uploaded
[07:40] <macogw> you will have no X if you use ati or nvidia
[07:40] <Assid> macogw: more like no compiz
[07:41] <qzio> macogw: using the intel driver... it should be ok aslong as i dont reboot... right?
[07:41] <macogw> qzio: oh intel driver will be dandy
[07:41] <macogw> ive rebooted 3 times today
[07:41] <qzio> but im using the madwifi driver, it's in restricted... right?
[07:42] <macogw> dunno
[07:42] <macogw> if it is, you lose wifi
[07:42] <qzio> yeah, that i dont want :)
[07:42] <macogw> if that happens, boot from the -9 kernel instead of the -10 and youll be fine
[07:42] <qzio> yupp :)
[07:42] <qzio> wf is evolution-data-?
[07:43] <qzio> its like using 90% cpu >_<
[07:44] <makaveli> hey guys
[07:44] <makaveli> right now i'm running the default graphic drivers
[07:44] <makaveli> cause the latest envy isn't released
[07:45] <makaveli> nd i'm gettin high temps, and i'm wondering will this be fixed when i install the proper drivers for my nvidia card?
[07:45] <macogw> qzio: evolution data server
[07:45] <macogw> qzio: your email, contacts, calendar etc
[07:45] <macogw> qzio: its what tells the calendar on the panel what to put when you click
[07:47] <makaveli> anyone?
[07:49] <qzio> macogw: right.. that package will leave my compputer soon, never used it :)
[07:50] <qzio> eh, removing ubuntu-desktop too? :(
[07:50] <savvas> hm.. nvidia-settings is missing from nvidia-glx-new
[07:51] <savvas> http://pastebin.ca/raw/920198
[07:51] <qzio> yeah, the visual effect customize button from desktop->right click->visual effects is gone too.. i have the compizconfig package installed and it is accessible from the system menu..
[07:53]  * Assid waits a bit before updating
[07:57] <savvas> is anyone using amd64?
[07:57] <macogw> savvas: dencrypt is
[07:57] <makaveli> anyone have any idea when new envy is suppose to be released?
[07:57] <savvas> dencrypt: did you install flushplugin-nonfree ?
[07:57] <scizzo-> makaveli: probably once hardy hits stable
[07:57] <savvas> *flash
[07:58] <makaveli> are u sure?
[07:58] <savvas> makaveli: why do you need envy?
[07:58] <scizzo-> makaveli: no
[07:58] <scizzo-> makaveli: since envy is a "backport" like project
[07:58] <makaveli> i ask cause on the site he jus announced the old version is no longer good, and that hes going to release a new one for hardy
[07:58] <scizzo-> makaveli: well a third party project
[07:59] <makaveli> what do u suggest i use ?
[07:59] <makaveli> cause right now i have nothin installed
[07:59] <makaveli> other than default
[07:59] <dencrypt> savvas: yes
[07:59] <savvas> makaveli: system -> administration -> hardware drivers
[07:59] <scizzo-> makaveli: depends on what card you have?
[07:59] <makaveli> and my temps are going crazy whenever i watch a small video clip
[07:59] <makaveli> geforce 8600m gs
[07:59] <savvas> dencrypt: and everything worked ok?
[07:59] <dencrypt> savvas: it's not perfect.
[08:00] <savvas> dencrypt: so you had to do nspluginwrapper -i by yourself right/
[08:00] <dencrypt> but it works mostly
[08:00] <dencrypt> no
[08:00] <savvas> :\
[08:00] <makaveli> under hardware drivers theres nothing there
[08:00] <scizzo-> makaveli: and you are using nvidia-glx-new?
[08:00] <savvas> how come i'm the only one that got Bug #195422
[08:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195422 in flashplugin-nonfree "hardy heron 8.04 alpha 5 - flash not installed correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195422
[08:00] <scizzo-> makaveli: and have not clocked it?
[08:00] <makaveli> no clocking
[08:01] <macogw> savvas: dencrypt just wrote a howto on the wiki
[08:01] <Assid> savvas: did you reportthe nvidia-settings bug?
[08:01] <savvas> macogw: i'm looking for someone to confirm my bug :)
[08:01] <DanaG> Flash sucks.  It eats CPU like crazy.
[08:02] <makaveli> i have nvidia-glx-new installed from wht i see, but not 'nvidia-glx-new-dev, nvidia-new-kernel-source'
[08:02] <savvas> Assid: yeah Bug #196038
[08:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196038 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "nvidia-settings missing from nvidia-glx-new" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196038
[08:02] <makaveli> not sure if i shoudl have those installed too
[08:02] <scizzo-> makaveli: not needed really
[08:02] <makaveli> kernel i have right now is 2..24-10 generic
[08:02] <makaveli> it was -8 this morning
[08:02] <makaveli> after an update
[08:02] <makaveli> it changed to -10.....
[08:02] <scizzo-> ummmm
[08:03] <scizzo-> 2..?????
[08:03] <makaveli> just weird cause im getting all these high temps, i cant enable desktop effects, and eveyrthing seems to be runnign slower
[08:03] <scizzo-> you do realize that the number between 2.<here>.<here> is really really important
[08:03] <dencrypt> savvas: Have you tried to install the older flashplugin?
[08:03] <dencrypt> r45
[08:03] <savvas> dencrypt: for gutsy? nope
[08:03] <savvas> but it worked in gutsy
[08:04] <scizzo-> makaveli: well is it just with videos or with rendering and so on?
[08:04] <makaveli> havne't tried rendering
[08:04] <makaveli> but when i minimize it lags
[08:04] <dencrypt> savvas: it's supposed to be more stable. Maybe it would be for hardy too?
[08:04] <makaveli> but i cant even activate desktop effects
[08:05] <scizzo-> makaveli: using amd64 machine?
[08:05] <makaveli> 32
[08:05] <makaveli> core 2 duo processor, but installed 32bit
[08:06] <scizzo-> makaveli: are you sure about the rendering and so on is enabled?
[08:06] <makaveli> how do i check?
[08:08] <makaveli> its frustrating because i have it running at 800mhz, if i try and turn it to 2 ghz, temp jumps 10-15 degrees
[08:09] <scizzo-> makaveli: glxinfo | grep render
[08:09] <scizzo-> or something simular
[08:10] <scizzo-> makaveli: well you can error search if you can find out what is causing the problem.
[08:10] <scizzo-> makaveli: and that may take a while
[08:10] <makaveli> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:10] <makaveli> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[08:11] <makaveli> i assume thats not normal?
[08:14] <scizzo-> nope
[08:14] <scizzo-> makaveli: that one indicates that you are not running nvidia drivers with glx
[08:14] <makaveli> probably the problem then
[08:15] <scizzo-> makaveli: and that also tells us that you are not using any rendering extension that is from the nvidia drivers
[08:15] <makaveli> sounds good
[08:15] <makaveli> so what needs to be done?
[08:15] <makaveli> first thing i assume would be the nvidia drivers?
[08:16] <savvas> dencrypt: did you do a clean install of hardy or upgraded from gutsy?
[08:16] <scizzo-> makaveli: without the nvidia drivers you wont have _much_ luck with the effects and accel for the graphics card
[08:16] <scizzo-> makaveli: yes
[08:16] <makaveli> ok, but it says they're installed
[08:17] <makaveli> do i have to enable them or something?
[08:17] <scizzo-> yes
[08:17] <makaveli> how?
[08:18] <savvas> enable the drivers or the effects?
[08:18] <makaveli> drivers
[08:18] <savvas> from hardware drivers
[08:18] <makaveli> effects would probably come afterwards
[08:18] <savvas> check the box next to the device
[08:18] <makaveli> but it doens't list anything there
[08:18] <makaveli> its empty
[08:18] <savvas> makaveli: lspci | grep -i nvidia
[08:19] <makaveli> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GS (rev a1)
[08:19] <savvas> makaveli: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx | grep -i installed
[08:20] <makaveli>   Installed: 169.09+<IP_ADDRESS>-8.25
[08:20] <makaveli>   Installed: (none)
[08:20] <makaveli> whats that (none)?
[08:20] <savvas> makaveli: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[08:20] <DanaG>   state 0xc, keycode 22 (keysym 0xfed5, Terminate_Server), same_screen YES,
[08:21] <savvas> it's another driver for older devices, which you don't really need
[08:21] <savvas> just wanted to check if you installed the correct one :)
[08:21] <makaveli> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[08:21] <makaveli> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[08:21] <makaveli>                   Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
[08:21] <makaveli>                   line.
[08:21] <makaveli> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[08:21] <makaveli> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[08:21] <savvas> ok great
[08:21] <makaveli> :D
[08:22] <savvas> makaveli: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i nv
[08:22] <makaveli> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[08:22] <makaveli> # nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder3)  Fri Jan 11 15:05:59 PST 2008
[08:22] <makaveli>     Driver         "nvidia"
[08:22] <makaveli>     VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
[08:22] <savvas> ok, log out and hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:22] <savvas> log back in and get over here :)
[08:23] <makaveli> ok
[08:23] <brauner> Hi
[08:23] <brauner> i just upgraded from gutsy to hardy
[08:23] <brauner> and i noticed something really strange :
[08:23] <savvas> ..and you have a lot of problems
[08:23] <savvas> :p
[08:23] <brauner> every time i run a graphical program (say gvim or evolution), it crawls (strace shows stat64 calls) _every_ directory accessible from my home before actually starting
[08:23] <brauner> savvas: appart from that it is ok :)
[08:23] <savvas> man, i have to open a psychic centre :)
[08:24] <savvas> just kidding :)
[08:24] <brauner> savvas: i don't mean to complaint, but rather to report this strange behaviour
[08:25] <savvas> I know i know, sorry, didn't mean to interfere
[08:25] <brauner> no problem :)
[08:26] <brauner> it also happens with kde programs, so this doesn't seem to be a gnome related thing
[08:26] <brauner> as a result, it takes at least 10 sec befor starting some program
[08:27] <savvas> dencrypt: i found the problem, leftovers in my /home dir :P
[08:27] <dencrypt> savvas: :)
[08:27] <makaveli> k back
[08:27] <makaveli> running in low graphics mode
[08:28]  * dencrypt is going out of X to install 169.12
[08:28] <dencrypt> wish me luck
[08:28] <makaveli> goodluck :)
[08:28] <makaveli> savvas, u here?
[08:28] <scizzo-> brauner: and the same effect happens with a new user?
[08:29] <brauner> scizzo-: checking
[08:30] <makaveli> savvas?
[08:32] <savvas> makaveli: yeah
[08:33] <brauner> scizzo-: that's strange, from my session i created a dummy user, then did "su dummy" and launched gvim
[08:33] <savvas> low graphics mode?
[08:33] <makaveli> yea
[08:33] <makaveli> is that suppose to happen? lol
[08:33] <brauner> it still crawls my directory's files (not the ones of the dummy user)
[08:33] <savvas> makaveli: go to system -> administration -> screens and graphics
[08:33] <scizzo-> brauner: ummmmmm you are kidding me right?
[08:33] <brauner> scizzo-: no, not at all
[08:33] <makaveli> k there
[08:34] <savvas> makaveli: can you use it to set up your resolution ?
[08:34] <scizzo-> brauner: you do realize that I ment create a new user and log in with that one user to a new desktop session
[08:34] <scizzo-> brauner: and then try to start programs
[08:34] <makaveli> no
[08:34] <savvas> makaveli: ok hit cancel
[08:34] <makaveli> also should know that the driver vesa generic
[08:34] <makaveli> *note
[08:35] <makaveli> k, back at desktop
[08:35] <savvas> you're using vesa?
[08:35] <makaveli> thats wat it says
[08:35] <makaveli> under the graphics tab
[08:35] <savvas> makaveli: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv
[08:36] <makaveli>  cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv
[08:36] <Gpalco> Dear Friends, I found this screenshot! http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Ubuntu-8-04-Alpha-5-Available-Now-2.jpg Isit really what the next Ubuntu release is going to be lloking like ???
[08:36] <makaveli> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[08:36] <makaveli> # nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder3)  Fri Jan 11 15:05:59 PST 2008
[08:36] <makaveli>     Driver         "nvidia"
[08:36] <henkjan> just boot the previous kernel, problem fixed
[08:37] <savvas> Gpalco: it's a mockup, no-one knows yet, the artwork team is still doing its magic :)
[08:38] <makaveli> boot to previous kernel?
[08:38] <makaveli> this one seems a lto faster though :(
[08:38] <savvas> makaveli: can you upload the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php ?
[08:39] <Gpalco> savvas, where this pic comes from? someone just imitated it, or it can be dome in practice?
[08:39] <brauner> scizzo-: ok, i did log to a new desktop session instead of using "su", still, it does crawl _my_ home dir
[08:39] <brauner> even if i'm logged with another user
[08:39] <makaveli> ya
[08:39] <jianfei> http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/152/212/
[08:40] <jianfei> try that
[08:40] <savvas> Gpalco: you have a lot of that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate
[08:41] <savvas> makaveli: paste me the link here when you're done :)
[08:41] <makaveli> http://pastebin.ca/920240
[08:42] <Gpalco> savvas, aha. got it. thank you
[08:42] <makaveli> just like to say i appreciate ur help :)
[08:43] <savvas> ah no problem
[08:43] <brauner> scizzo-: this is weird isn't it ?
[08:43] <savvas> makaveli: what resolutions do you usually use?
[08:43] <savvas> 1024x768 ?
[08:43] <makaveli> 1400x900
[08:43] <scizzo-> brauner: not really sure what you mean with crawl
[08:43] <savvas> makaveli: ok i'll help you insert these manually
[08:44] <brauner> scizzo-: as the new user, i type "strace -o log gvmi"
[08:44] <brauner> scizzo-: then it takes a lot of time
[08:44] <savvas> makaveli: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:44] <brauner> and the log file is 62480 lines long
[08:44] <makaveli> k
[08:44] <savvas> makaveli: scroll down to the line where it says "Depth 24"
[08:44] <brauner> and contains lot of lines like :
[08:44] <brauner> stat64("/home/brauner/Musique/B", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
[08:45] <savvas> makaveli: NOT Defaultdepth, but depth
[08:45] <makaveli> k
[08:45] <brauner> followed by open("/var/cache/fontconfig/7995d211379700e7221088ef22a01e3d-x86.cache-2", O_RDONLY) = 6
[08:45] <makaveli> right under subsection?
[08:45] <brauner> (one couple of line by directory i have in brauner's home)
[08:45] <savvas> makaveli: make a new line after that line, and add this: Modes "1400x900" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[08:46] <makaveli> k done
[08:46] <savvas> makaveli: now find: Section "Device"
[08:46] <makaveli> k
[08:46] <savvas> under VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
[08:46] <savvas> make a new line
[08:46] <savvas> add this one: Option         "DynamicTwinView" "False"
[08:47] <makaveli> k
[08:47] <makaveli> done
[08:47] <savvas> (this fixes the bug to display correct refresh rate)
[08:47] <savvas> save and reboot
[08:47] <brauner> scizzo-: any idea ?
[08:47] <makaveli> k
[08:47] <makaveli> gonna reboot
[08:48] <savvas> godspeed :p
[08:49] <Assid> savvas: what refresh rate bug ?
[08:49] <Assid> mine shows 59.9
[08:50] <savvas> system -> pref -> screen resolution
[08:50] <savvas> mine shows 75 :)
[08:50] <savvas> add a line in section "device": Option "DynamicTwinView" "False"
[08:50] <Assid> i do 1680*1050
[08:50] <makaveli> backkk
[08:50] <savvas> makaveli: all ok now?
[08:51] <makaveli> no, same as before
[08:51] <makaveli> :(
[08:51] <Assid> mine shows 50hz there
[08:51] <Assid> wait
[08:51] <makaveli> should i reboot on previous kernel
[08:51] <makaveli> ?
[08:51] <Assid> haha.. i didnt update :P
[08:51] <savvas> makaveli: system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[08:51] <makaveli> yup
[08:52] <savvas> what resolution does it say there?
[08:52] <Oli``> Hey I just noticed that there's a new kernel in the latest updates but there isn't a valid restricted-modules-generic yet. If I reboot now (having installed all available updates) does that mean my graphics will be borked?
[08:52] <makaveli> 800x600
[08:52] <credible> Oli``: you can just boot the old kernel
[08:52] <Assid> savvas: brb
[08:52] <Assid> err brb
[08:52] <savvas> ok :p
[08:52] <Oli``> credible: ah yes, true enough
[08:53] <savvas> makaveli: can you select 1400x900 in resolution?
[08:53] <makaveli> no
[08:53] <makaveli> :( jus that one res
[08:53] <credible> that's because it's VESA
[08:53] <makaveli> yea
[08:53] <makaveli> should it be changed?
[08:53] <savvas> hm well.. then reboot to the old kernel :)
[08:54] <makaveli> k gonna reboot to old kernel
[08:54] <makaveli> hope that works :(
[08:54] <unenough> i just upgraded and got this:
[08:55] <unenough> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:55] <unenough>   linux-restricted-modules: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.8) but <IP_ADDRESS>.8 is to be installed
[08:55] <unenough> E: Broken packages
[08:55] <RAOF> unenough: You shouldn't have upgraded :)
[08:55] <unenough> i have kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.10 but fglrx doesn't work
[08:55] <savvas> $ apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-generic
[08:55] <savvas> linux-restricted-modules-generic: Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.8
[08:55] <unenough> i meant 10.8
[08:56] <savvas> unenough: use the old kernel
[08:56] <unenough> ok
[08:57] <savvas> hm
[08:57] <savvas> so if the graphics driver is broken, it uses vesa as a backup?
[08:57] <MDCore> Hey all. Is there value in upgrading to hardy heron now, before the big rush?
[08:57] <Assid> back
[08:57] <Assid> somehow CTRL ALT BKSPC decided to restart my computer instead of X
[08:58] <savvas> MDCore: neah, everything's the same
[08:58] <bazhang> MDCore: if you can deal with loss of x then yes ;]
[08:58] <MDCore> loss of X... hmmm. tricky.
[08:58] <MDCore> :)
[08:58] <MDCore> that bad then?
[08:58]  * Assid isnt updating till people say its safe
[08:59] <savvas> Assid: i'll restart, hold a sec, let me put on my rambo suit
[08:59] <savvas> :p
[08:59] <Assid> restart?
[08:59] <bazhang> MDCore: if you have an intel card no ;]
[08:59] <savvas> Assid: well, i have the updates installed heh
[08:59] <savvas> i just didn't reboot :p
[08:59] <Assid> oh man
[08:59] <Assid> i feel sorry for you
[09:00] <Assid> it works fine on my laptop btew
[09:00] <bazhang> hehe
[09:00] <Assid> the cpu usage bug isnt fixed tho
[09:01] <brauner> scizzo-: i delogged from brauner, restarted xorg, logged with the new user : same behaviour
[09:01] <MDCore> bazhang: well I'm thinking of putting it on my laptop which has an... (searches) SIS adapter. Oh well :P
[09:01] <brauner> this is gonna kill my HD quickly :)
[09:01] <bazhang> MDCore: best wait then ;]
[09:02] <savvas> wow that was.. fast
[09:02] <savvas> 2.6.24-10-generic
[09:02] <savvas> :)
[09:02] <MDCore> bazhang: I think I willl :D
[09:02] <savvas> everything peachy with nvidia graphics
[09:05] <Assid> you got it ?
[09:05] <Assid> the nvidia updates?
[09:06] <savvas> yeah
[09:07] <savvas> nvidia-glx-new: Installed: 169.09+<IP_ADDRESS>-10.27 linux-restricted-modules-generic: Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.8
[09:08] <savvas> i'm using uk.archive.ubuntu.com in the mirrors if that matters Assid :)
[09:08] <MDCore> thanks for the info everyone. cheers!
[09:08] <Assid> will check in a wee bit
[09:10] <heret1c> awake
[09:10] <heret1c> (ish)
[09:15] <heret1c> must reset
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> Seems with my nvidia I am getting the hourglass equivalent thing alot more often
[09:19] <savvas> Installing a working Linux box used to require over 550 man hours, learning a Nordic language, sacrificing a goat, wading through hundreds of pages of (purposely) inscrutable help files, and in some cases programming a new driver in UNIVAC SLEUTH II assembly code using nothing but punch cards while walking miles through the snow barefoot on the wrong side of the tracks and uphill both ways. hehehehe
[09:19] <savvas> uncyclopedia did it again :P
[09:19] <heret1c> yeah.
[09:20] <h3sp4wn> savvas: Ah yes but in those hours the basics were learnt that are still useful today
[09:22] <savvas> :)
[09:22] <savvas> backwards compatibility then
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> (Took me months to get X working with more than 16 colors and 640x480)
[09:23] <Mohero|Work> *yawn* mawnin
[09:23] <savvas> thank god i'm using linux only 2 years then :)
[09:24] <Mohero|Work> savvas: given your description of installing linux - how far are you going back here....
[09:27] <savvas> Mohero|Work: in ubuntu+1 ? somewhere between edgy and feisty
[09:27] <savvas> and it's not my description: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gentoo
[09:27] <Mohero|Work> ahh well, that's still pretty much the case for Gentoo ;)
[09:27] <savvas> i just added the “And god created life: god@world$ emerge life” bit :)
[09:28] <ionstorm> anyone know if ubuntu-restricted-modules-generic 2.6.24-10 is in repo's?
[09:28] <Mohero|Work> savvas: I know it's still the case for Gentoo I stull have teh goat sitting outside my door....
[09:28] <nanonyme> savvas, if that is the case, world probably still compiles
[09:29] <savvas> nanonyme: probably, some pesky system admins that don't want to miss a quote in source files that they haven't read
[09:29] <savvas> then again, that's good for someone that wants security
[09:29] <savvas> and customisation
[09:30] <savvas> hm.. i have just made a grammar mistake in that long sentence, anyway, no one will notice
[09:30] <savvas> :P
[09:31] <Assid> savvas: so safe to update?
[09:31] <heret1c> Assid:  nothing wxploded here. :)
[09:32] <Assid> you sure?
[09:32] <Assid> check your drive temperatures
[09:32] <Assid> your lcd warmed up?
[09:32] <savvas> Assid: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new linux-restricted-modules-generic linux-image-generic | grep Installed
[09:32] <savvas>   Installed: 169.09+<IP_ADDRESS>-10.27
[09:32] <savvas>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.8
[09:32] <savvas>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.8
[09:32] <Assid> fair enouasking me for partial update :(
[09:33] <ionstorm> what repo is that in
[09:33] <ionstorm> I cannot get it
[09:33] <savvas> I never check temperatures, it's cold here anyway ;)
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> My 64 bit system is upto date
[09:33] <ionstorm> ive waited 4 hrs
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> but still no lrm for i386
[09:33] <ionstorm> still not on us.archive
[09:34] <savvas> ionstorm: uk.archive.ubuntu.com or use the main server
[09:34] <savvas> hm weird
[09:34] <heret1c> Assid:  43C here.
[09:34] <ionstorm> where can I get a sources.list file
[09:34] <ionstorm> mine is messed up
[09:34] <heret1c> 194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   109   088   000    Old_age   Always       -       43 (Lifetime Min/Max 18/50)
[09:35] <savvas> ah sorry guys, it's build for amd64 :)
[09:35] <savvas> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic
[09:35] <savvas> lucky me hehe
[09:36] <savvas> heret1c: how do we check temp?
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> That is one source package I never want to have to build
[09:36] <heret1c> savvas > smartmontools - smartctl
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> (lrm - I dunno why it cannot just be split out a bit more)
[09:40] <flipstar> hi what packages do i need for printing ?
[09:40] <savvas> 190 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   064   041   045    Old_age   Always   In_the_past 36
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> has anyone ever bothered setting up the drives properly with the data from smartmontools
[09:41] <savvas> so it's 190 degrees?
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> Nah - the scales are not defined by the standard
[09:42] <savvas> they're kalvin? :P
[09:42] <Mohero|Work> I appear to have a login problem at the moment... from GDM I type my user/password, and the login screen goes away, and that's it, no hard disk activity, no gnome, nothing...
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> savvas: nah its not that mine is - 190 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   060   052   000    Old_age   Always
[09:43] <Mohero|Work> if I then do Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login, then "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" then do "startx" it works fine...
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> and this is a few day old laptop
[09:43] <savvas> ah ok
[09:44] <sveri> does somebody know if i can safely remove kde4 from hardy without destroying my kde3?
[09:44] <flipstar> damn my printer doesnt work..any hints.. i just installed cupsys,cupsys-driver-gutenprint,foomatic-db,system-config-printer..but it wont work ..
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> The ones after the 0x0022 could be now and 10 mins ago or so in C but its not guaranteed
[09:44] <ionstorm>  Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-386  but it is not installable
[09:44] <ionstorm> wtf?
[09:45] <h3sp4wn> well you probably don't want the 386 kernel
[09:45] <ionstorm> Depends: linux-restricted-modules-generic but it is not going to be installed
[09:45] <ionstorm> that dont work wither
[09:45] <Mohero|Work> sveri: I wouldn't like to say "yes" or "no" but KDE4 shouldn't interfere with KDE3 - but this is Alpha software so you should have a backup and be prepared for a re-install anyway :)
[09:45] <ionstorm> any ideas?
[09:45] <Assid> update manager doesntr want to update all my packages :(
[09:45] <Mohero|Work> Assid: are they grayed out?
[09:45] <Assid> yeah..
[09:45] <savvas> ionstorm: uname -a
[09:45] <Assid> waiting for the package updates
[09:45] <sveri> Mohero|Work: hm, ok, i surely have a backup, but i dont want to reinstall :D
[09:45] <ionstorm> Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 7 01:29:58 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:45] <Mohero|Work> Assid: if so, then there's dependancies that aren't in your tree yet :)
[09:46]  * Assid waits
[09:46] <savvas> ionstorm: apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-generic
[09:46] <nanonyme> sveri, another way to interpret Mohero|Work's comment: you shouldn't install Alpha software if you aren't prepared to reinstall :P
[09:46] <ionstorm> beware of spam
[09:46] <ionstorm> ok?
[09:47] <ionstorm> 5 lines
[09:47] <savvas> ionstorm: http://pastebin.ca
[09:47] <savvas> :)
[09:47] <Mohero|Work> sveri: well, you should always be "preparred" for reinstall running Alpha software, give it a go, and report it if it goes wrong....
[09:47] <ionstorm> http://pastebin.ca/920290
[09:48] <savvas> ionstorm: did you sudo apt-get update ?
[09:48] <ionstorm> yes
[09:48] <sveri> Mohero|Work: nanonyme: yes but hardy runs so fine, despite kde4 it suddenly broke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-kde4/+bug/194814
[09:48] <savvas> and sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194814 in kdebase-kde4 "A lot of programms can't start because of KComponentData" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:48] <ionstorm> i'll pastbin it
[09:48] <savvas> ok
[09:48] <flipstar> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp :/
[09:48] <savvas> flipstar: if you're on fire, read the /topic
[09:49] <ionstorm> http://pastebin.ca/920292
[09:49] <ionstorm> thats after update
[09:49] <ionstorm> it doesnt even show
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> I don't think reinstalling in necessary 99.5% and if people just reinstall how does the bug get fixed anyway (if its an upgrade bug)
[09:50] <flipstar> i just want to know which packages are requiered to print ?
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> Depends on the printer
[09:50] <flipstar> an epson ..
[09:50] <heret1c> flipstar: cups
[09:50] <ionstorm> http://pastebin.ca/920293
[09:50] <ionstorm> broken packages
[09:50] <flipstar> did that cupsys
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> You can use just lpr with a suitable printer
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> (The lazerjet I have at home is suitable for that you need an /etc/printcap I think it is)
[09:51] <savvas> ionstorm: there are no i386/686 packages for http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic yet
[09:52] <ionstorm> hrm
[09:53] <h3sp4wn> My new printer is still in the box (Some all in one HP thing photosmart C4180)
[09:53] <savvas> ionstorm: there's one in launchpad.. wanna try it?
[09:53] <ionstorm> what is the launchpad url
[09:53] <savvas> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12229738/linux-restricted-modules-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.8_i386.deb
[09:54] <flipstar> every job just disapperes ..
[09:54] <heret1c> flipstar: http://www.cups.org/book/intro.php
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> You could try lpr if you want to avoid cups
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> (But perhaps you only have a cups driver)
[09:55] <Assid> err
[09:55] <Assid> anyone here synchronize their nokia phones?
[09:55] <Assid> i got an e61 .. and want to start synch'ing it
[09:55] <savvas> Assid: try wammu
[09:56] <Assid> k
[09:57] <savvas> ionstorm: works ?
[09:57] <Assid> savvas: i dont have to run cli commands i hope ?
[09:57] <ionstorm> savvas its 64 kb
[09:57] <ionstorm> lol
[09:57] <heret1c> assid> aye - in the last install. gammu worked.
[09:58] <ionstorm> where did u find that
[09:58] <Assid> fair enough.. having it download
[09:58] <savvas> Assid: it has a gui if that's what you want :P it worked with my sony ericsson :)
[09:58] <Assid> my patchetic connection should have it in 1/2 hr or an hr
[09:58] <savvas> ionstorm: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/linux-restricted-modules-generic/<IP_ADDRESS>.8
[09:59] <savvas> woops
[09:59] <savvas> it's the meta :P
[10:00] <savvas> nothing for i386
[10:00] <savvas> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic
[10:00] <ionstorm> thanks anyways hee
[10:00] <ionstorm> i'll just wait it out
[10:00] <ionstorm> g'night
[10:01] <savvas> nighty
[10:01] <savvas> 8-generic is still available: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-8-generic
[10:01] <Mohero|Work> how many computer programmers does it take to turn on the heating......
[10:01] <savvas> but it's better to wait
[10:02] <Mohero|Work> answer: 3 apparently - as that's what just happened here....
[10:02] <savvas> One; set heating 1
[10:02] <savvas> :p
[10:02] <flipstar> heret1c: doesnt really help me..
[10:02] <Mohero|Work> I wan't a web interface and snmp from the boiler - that would make life easier :)
[10:03] <Mohero|Work> *want
[10:03] <heret1c> flipstar> can u see the printer at all?
[10:03] <flipstar> yep
[10:03] <flipstar> but when i say print..nothing happens
[10:03] <Mohero|Work> from the computer, not your eyes....
[10:03] <flipstar> oh
[10:03] <Mohero|Work> (sorry in a strange mood)
[10:03] <heret1c> flipstar> it's a driver issue, then. probably.
[10:04] <savvas> can someone change the topic and mention that the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-10-generic package is not built for i386 yet? :)
[10:04] <Mohero|Work> savvas: it isn't heh /me feels smug on his x64....
[10:04] <flipstar> OMG
[10:04] <flipstar> IT WORKS
[10:05] <savvas> you rang?
[10:05] <savvas> :P
[10:05] <flipstar> as Mohero|Work mentioned i used the computer this time :P
[10:05] <Mohero|Work> savvas: l0l
[10:05] <flipstar> no i just did the wizard again ..
[10:06] <savvas> < flipstar> but when i say print..nothing happens <- let me guess, you were yelling at your printer?
[10:06] <savvas> :D
[10:06] <savvas> next time pet it, they purr and spit paper :P
[10:07] <heret1c> flipstar> have someone wiser in the ways of cups than I have a look over rdesktop?
[10:12] <Mohero|Work> why are M$ such a bunch of ******
[10:14] <heret1c> Mohero|Work: ppl have asked that Q since windos 1.0 .... 8)
[10:14] <hi_t> i asked it since 3.1 ...
[10:15] <Assid> they arent
[10:15] <Assid> you perceive them to be
[10:15] <Assid> main server dead?
[10:15] <Assid> i was updating and it died
[10:17] <Mohero|Work> Assid: my updates are going ok, well... the Hardy ones
[10:17] <Mohero|Work> actually - all the linux ones
[10:17] <Mohero|Work> the windoze ones however......
[10:47] <P2502> it will be nice to have ubuntu vs kubuntu comparison table which will describe software shipped in both, like [IM/IRC client] Ubuntu - Pidgin | Kubuntu - Konversation
[10:57] <P2502> i wonder what features exactly missed in kubuntu vs ubuntu or ubuntu vs kubuntu
[11:00] <naught101> is samba-client installed by default in hardy?
[11:00] <naught101> P2502: konversation doesn't do IM
[11:00] <naught101> that's kopete
[11:03] <Mohero|Work> P2502 i still don't know why irssi or x-chat aren't shipped... with either of them
[11:04] <Mohero|Work> naught101: samba: no, at least not yet
[11:04] <jianfei> hi any suggestions for a hardy desktop sidebar? which app?
[11:04] <flipstar> gkrellm
[11:04] <naught101> Mohero|Work: odd, maybe I installed it
[11:05] <Mohero|Work> jianfai: look up Screenlets you'll find some nice stuff wit hthat and a side-bar for it at www.gnome-look.org
[11:05] <naught101> but samba worked out of the box. very nice
[11:05] <jianfei> mohero: cheers
[11:05] <naught101> and konversation is WAY better than x-chat
[11:05] <Mohero|Work> naught101: really.... interesting.... my machine thinks it isn't installed by default.
[11:06] <naught101> Mohero|Work: no, I know, perhaps I installed it, but I didn't have to do any config to get it to work with the x-box media centre that's on this network
[11:06] <Mohero|Work> jianfei, as flipstar said too gkrellm that's very good, depends what you're looking for screenlets will give you a "vista-ish" side bar (yuk)
[11:07] <Mohero|Work> naught101: I don't think i've ever done any configuring of Samba on Ubuntu since 5.10 :D
[11:07] <naught101> lucky you
[11:07] <naught101> I've never managed to get it working without hours of stuffing around
[11:08] <Mohero|Work> naught101: ouch....
[11:08] <naught101> which is why I'm happy with hardy :)
[11:09] <P2502> cuz network:/// dosnt work?
[11:11] <savvas> P2502: it's a pending change in filesystem
[11:11] <P2502> is it fixed in 2.21.92 btw? it dosnt really matter for me now since i have no LAN now
[11:13] <P2502> dont know if i can get lan on adsl
[11:17] <Mohero|Work> P2502: of course you can - bit risky though....
[11:17] <P2502> i see new kde4 livecds now full featured since they are full 700 mib and not 300 mib like it was earlier
[11:18] <P2502> Mohero|Work: what you mean?
[11:18] <Mohero|Work> heh we,, I still refuse to use KDE4 :)
[11:18] <P2502> konqueror crashed for me a lot in kde4
[11:18] <Mohero|Work> P2502: i mean LAN on adsl.... you can do it, it's just a little risky to open those sort of ports up to the interweb ;)
[11:19] <P2502> Mohero|Work: like netbios over tcp/ip?
[11:20] <Mohero|Work> P2502: it's not the crashes that bother me, it's beta software, that happens, it's more to do with the bar at the bottom of the screen you can't modify outside of the "Theme" and the whole thing looks a little "vista-ish" to me....
[11:20] <nanonyme> Mohero|Work, opening ports to teh interweb is dangerous, period :p
[11:20] <P2502> Mohero|Work: well i know about vpn lans or so
[11:20] <Mohero|Work> P2502: yeah, we did it on a cable line, Netbios over TCP/IP - just for an experiment, I think it took about 30 seconds before it was swarmed with viruses and suchlike...
[11:22] <P2502> also hamachi
[11:22] <naught101> is linux-restricted-modules-generic broken for all at the moment? should I not upgrade until tomorrow?
[11:23] <Mohero|Work> naught101: it's not finished being built for x86 - it's up for x64
[11:24] <naught101> Mohero|Work: a few hours kind of thing?
[11:24] <Mohero|Work> naught101: you now know as much as I do ;)
[11:24] <naught101> fair 'nough
[11:24] <Assid> hrmm
[11:25] <Assid> im thinking of buying a shared host to host a mirror for ubuntu
[11:25] <Mohero|Work> why so?
[11:25] <Mohero|Work> I piggyback off University of Kent in the UK - they're connection is pretty nice :)
[11:26] <Mohero|Work> well, actually *I* don't piggyback off them, but my g/f has a connection to the internet through them, even from here though the connection to them is pretty fast - problem is when everyone downloads from the same mirror.
[11:29] <Assid> err
[11:29] <Assid> my wallpaper doesnt change
[11:29] <Assid> somethings messed up
[11:29] <Mohero|Work> Assid? after latest updates?
[11:29] <Mohero|Work> Assid: mine seems ok...
[11:30] <Assid> messed up
[11:32] <Mohero|Work> Assid: "Messed up" doesn't give many clue's ;)
[11:33] <Assid> firefox doesnt let me set an image
[11:33] <Assid> i saved it.. and tried to do it .. doesnt get set
[11:33] <Assid> rightclicking on desktop doesnt work
[11:33] <Mohero|Work> Assid ahh... hmm well, right clicking on the desktop -> Change Desktop Background works for me...
[11:36] <Assid> wammu says my phone is a nokia
[11:36] <Assid> but doesnt know the model
[11:39] <Assid> wammu cant synch my phone :(
[11:43] <Mohero|Work> never used it Assid. I don't do Nokia :)
[11:43] <Assid> http://cihar.com/gammu/phonedb/nokia/775/
[11:45] <Assid> am screwed
[11:45] <Mohero|Work> hmmmm....
[11:50] <Assid> hrmm i gotta use syncml
[11:50] <Assid> question - how ?1
[11:53] <Assid> dont we have syncevolution?!
[11:53] <Assid> debian seems to have it
[12:08] <mohbana> can i install a i386 deb package from amd64?
[12:10] <bazhang> so there will a supported version of envy called envy NG for Hardy, as well as a supported version of wubi?
[12:13] <picard_pwns_kirk> how would I get nautilus support for obex: locations?
[12:14] <cwillu> bribery?
[12:14] <cwillu> that's what I always did
[12:15] <bazhang> hehe
[12:19] <cwillu> haven't looked too closely, but it looks like it wasn't in mainline;  the problem with that being that it used gnome-vfs, and so would have to be reworked to use the new gvfs;  might check their homepage to see if they're doing anything with it (disclaimer, I know nothing about obex, there may well be a simple package you need to install)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> bazhang: no.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> bazhang: envy is not an official part of ubuntu
[12:20] <Hobbsee> mohbana: no
[12:20] <cwillu> wouldn't jockey be the official package that does what envy does :p
[12:20] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:21] <cwillu> aka, the RestrictedDriversManager is considered responsible for installing Restricted Drivers from the Proprietor?
[12:23] <cwillu> !bug 189503
[12:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189503 in gnome-vfs-obexftp "Couldn't display "obex://  Nautilus cannot handle obex: locations. (dup-of: 186973)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189503
[12:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186973 in gvfs "obexftp does not work in hardy + gvfs" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186973
[12:23] <picard_pwns_kirk> sooo...
[12:24] <picard_pwns_kirk> do I wait?
[12:27] <bazhang> Hobbsee: envy ng was developed with ubuntu developers though--so will it be shunned as in the past?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> bazhang: which ubuntu developers?
[12:27] <flipstar> !envy
[12:27] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[12:27] <bazhang> Hobbsee: I'd have to check albert milone's blog to ascertain that but this seems legit
[12:28] <Hobbsee> bazhang: right, because i've not seen anything about it on the ML or anything
[12:28] <Assid> err anyone here played with syncml ?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> picard_pwns_kirk: yes.  and see the gnome bug on it (the one on top)
[12:29]  * picard_pwns_kirk subscribed
[12:30] <mateusz> Hi
[12:30] <mateusz> is missing toolbar in gnome-terminal a normal thing?
[12:31] <picard_pwns_kirk> probably not
[12:31] <picard_pwns_kirk> right click in the terminal, click the "show toolbar" option
[12:31] <picard_pwns_kirk> :P
[12:32] <picard_pwns_kirk> well, s/toolbar/menubar
[12:33] <savvas> EU fines Microsoft record $1.3B heh
[12:34] <Assid> again?
[12:34] <Assid> now what for?
[12:34] <savvas> http://www.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/02/27/microsoft.eu.ap/index.html?eref=rss_latest
[12:35] <savvas> "overcharging rivals for software info"
[12:35] <savvas> another excuse for "stopping the giant" :)
[12:35] <flipstar> what do they do with all that money oO
[12:36] <RomanK> Hi there
[12:36] <mateusz> picard_pwns_kirk: there is menubar but with no lables
[12:36] <picard_pwns_kirk> oh
[12:36] <mateusz> picard_pwns_kirk: I can blind click on them... but they dont apear
[12:36] <savvas> flipstar: use it for cultural & productive purposes i guess
[12:37] <RomanK> is anyone else but me having problems with usb-sticks or usb-harddrives... i plug them in, the usb-device appears in /var/log/messages, but even fdisk cannot see the harddrive
[12:38] <mateusz> picard_pwns_kirk: ?
[12:38] <picard_pwns_kirk> I have no idea
[12:38] <flipstar> RomanK: did you ran fdisk as root, with sudo ?
[12:38] <picard_pwns_kirk> did you try restarting X?
[12:38] <RomanK> flipstar: yup
[12:39] <RomanK> my local harddrive is listed, but not the external usb-drive... but the drive itself is ok, i tested it on the notebook of my girlfriend, just a few minutes ago
[12:39] <mateusz> Initializing...Could not claim USB device.
[12:40] <mateusz> so many fucking bugs.. debian unstable is more stable than this
[12:40] <mateusz> plainful true
[12:40] <picard_pwns_kirk> !language
[12:40] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[12:40] <RomanK> it's a while ago since i used debian sid, but at least right now hardy seems _much more_ stable than sid did most of the time ;)
[12:41] <mateusz> RomanK: not for me
[12:41] <flipstar> RomanK: whats about <ls /dev/disk/by-path/ -al> ? but when it apperes in ../log/messages you can gather the device name from there
[12:41] <flipstar> and try to mount
[12:41] <RomanK> flipstar: as i said... only the usb-device appears in /var/log/messages...  but even in /var/log/messages it doesn't appear as "harddrive"
[12:42] <mateusz> RomanK: for me usb storage works
[12:43] <RomanK> oh wait...
[12:43] <RomanK> now it work's... but i didn't change anything...
[12:44] <RomanK> (i didn't change anything... how often did i hear this from customers and didn't believe them) *gg*
[12:44] <mateusz> Anyone here uses ThinkFinger utils ?
[12:44] <mateusz> They worked on gutsy
[12:44] <mateusz> but do not on hardy
[12:44] <RomanK> well... gnome thinks the external 2.5" harddrive is a media player.. but that really doesn't matter to me ;)
[12:44] <mateusz> RomanK: WD Passport ?
[12:45] <RomanK> nope, a fujitsu-drive in a no-name-usb-box
[12:46] <mateusz> RomanK: size?
[12:46] <Laney> Does synaptic log its output anywhere?
[12:51] <Laney> Bah, anyway I'm getting tonnes of errors about a GConf XML file being malformed. Anything I can do to fix it?
[12:53] <picard_pwns_kirk> Laney: try to find a bug report
[12:56] <Laney> Yeah, I can't. I'll file one if needs be, but I'm just wondering if it's fixable
[12:57] <Amaranth> hrm, seems virt-manager can't start my VM unless i have a bootable CD-ROM
[13:01] <Assid> hrmm
[13:01] <Assid> anyone know a good syncml server?
[13:02] <heret1c> back.
[13:04] <Assid> heret1c: you played with syncml ?
[13:04]  * heret1c looks blankly at Assid - "what's a syncml?"
[13:04]  * heret1c clustys
[13:06] <heret1c> Assid:  ah, no.
[13:07] <Assid> thinking if i can make my own syncml server
[13:07] <henkjan> Assid: http://www.synthesis.ch/
[13:08] <Assid> isnt free :(
[13:08] <Assid> i thought there would be a free one
[13:08] <henkjan> there is one, javabases
[13:08] <henkjan> there is one, javabased
[13:09] <henkjan> Assid: http://www.funambol.com/opensource/downloads.php
[13:09] <Assid> yeah i tried funambol the service itself
[13:09] <Assid> the timezone is off
[13:11] <heret1c> Assid: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pl4sync do?
[13:11] <Assid> hrmm.. i guess i will just use it as a client with the third party companies
[13:12] <Assid> was thinking of running a syncml server and offering it to my users
[13:12] <Assid> but then too much work
[13:13] <heret1c> http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux_nokia_other.html
[13:19] <Assid> heret1c: yeah.. goes back to funambol - sync4j
[13:19] <Assid> heret1c: nvm about it
[13:22] <heret1c> assid> there are umpteen programs offering to send smses, read addy book, etc - but none offering up/download of (camera) pix
[13:22] <heret1c> if anyoen mentions bitpim I shall go mad. 8)
[13:22] <Oli``> Woo the new nvidia-glx/restricted manager is out
[13:26] <smallfoot-> there are nvidia drivers for 2.6.24-10 yet?
[13:26] <smallfoot-> plz!!
[13:26] <Oli``> Anybody here have problems having the Compiz manager remember your settings after you disable and re-enable desktop effects?
[13:26] <Oli``> smallfoot-: yup - just released
[13:26] <smallfoot-> Oli``, awesome!
[13:26] <smallfoot-> is it on the mirrors yeT?
[13:27] <henkjan> nl.archive has it
[13:27] <Oli``> smallfoot-: couldn't say - I'm synced with the main server
[13:27] <smallfoot-> Oli``, how do you do that?
[13:27] <Oli``> smallfoot-: change your "Download from" choice in System>Admin>Software Sources
[13:28] <smallfoot-> Oli``, what i change it to?
[13:28] <Oli``> "Main server" =)
[13:32] <billyBobO> does anyone know if Wubi will be available for Kubuntu 8.04?  Or will kubuntu-desktop be needed to install afterwards?
[13:36] <bazhang> billyBobO: already in
[13:36] <billyBobO> :) wonderful thank you
[13:36] <bazhang> oh kubuntu, just a sec
[13:38] <bazhang> hmm dont see anything to the contrary
[13:38] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha5 from here
[13:40] <billyBobO> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080224-wubi-arrives-a-look-at-ubuntu-8-04-alpha-5.html seems to show a screenshot where you can pick your environment at install time
[13:42] <billyBobO> same picture as your link, bazhang
[13:42] <billyBobO> thanks
[13:46] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[13:48] <mohbana> hey guys, i want to monitor performance between two distros.  I  thinking more on the line of having the program run in the background and write out a log of performance
[13:51] <flipstar> hm i just purged and reinstalled audacious..but it still uses old setting...?
[13:54] <Pici> flipstar: purging doesnt remove any user configurations, i.e, dotfiles and folders in your home.
[13:54] <flipstar> solved..just deleted some dirs in my home
[13:55] <flipstar> wired thought thats what purge is for oO
[13:55] <Pici> Purge removes configurations stored in /etc
[13:55] <flipstar> oh..okay
[13:58] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[14:04] <Milos_SD> Hi all... I still have system freezes on Hardy as I had them on Gutsy... Just to report that! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/145112
[14:04] <Milos_SD> :(
[14:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145112 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "Random NVidia Proprietary Driver Lock-Ups with dual core + 7300" [High,Fix released]
[14:05] <flipstar> err theres a fix released for that
[14:06] <Milos_SD> No ... My system still freezes
[14:06] <flipstar> take a look at the site
[14:06] <Milos_SD> I have Core2Duo CPU, and Nvidia 7600GT
[14:06] <flipstar> ubotu said "Fix released"
[14:07] <Milos_SD> yes, I see that. But that fix didn't fixed the problem :)
[14:07] <flipstar> then poste that there ..
[14:08] <mohbana> hey guys, i want to monitor performance between two distros.  I  thinking more on the line of having the program run in the background and write out a log of performance
[14:08] <Milos_SD> Well, I did ... First I was using Hardy kernel and modules on Gutsy, but now I upgraded totaly to Hardy ...
[14:09] <flipstar> thats an odd situation
[14:10] <Milos_SD> Someone sad that this is bug in nvidia drivers ... but, is that true? :S
[14:10] <TheInfinity> hello ... one question ... did somebody give a try to hardy on mbp?
[14:10] <Milos_SD> if it is, then we are ****
[14:10] <TheInfinity> because Xorg does only start in safe mode choosen while booting
[14:12] <TheInfinity> if i start ubuntu live disk in a usual way xorg crashes, it shows the configuration window, also the test works, but afterwards xorg does not start. i have xorg log and syslog saved ... should i make a bug report?
[14:12] <TheInfinity> or does somebody has the same experience?
[14:13] <TheInfinity> seems to be an issue with bulletproof xorg - or do i understand this wrong?
[14:18] <flipstar> btw nvidia 169.12 was released yesterday ..
[14:20] <Exilant> should fglrx run in hardy (now + in principle) or is that currently just broken?
[14:25] <snador> hello there
[14:26] <snador> can I ask my questions about hardy here?
[14:26] <bardyr> Exilant, its currently broken
[14:26] <bardyr> snador, yea
[14:26] <snador> okay
[14:26] <snador> well, I installed hardy a few weeks ago because my wireless connection wasn't working with 7.10
[14:27] <snador> Everything worked well until this oment
[14:27] <snador> *moment
[14:27] <snador> today, the upgrade manager apeared for an upgrade
[14:27] <bardyr> snador, let me guess you updated the kernel and lost compiz/gfx/and the world exploded?
[14:27] <snador> so I downloaded en installed the updates and I rebooted the computer
[14:28] <snador> well, that's exactly what I mean
[14:28] <snador> and my mouse is doing strange too
[14:28] <bardyr> snador, its and known issue, boot and earlier kernel or wait for the fixes to come down the pipe
[14:28] <bardyr> and welcome to alphas :)
[14:29] <Exilant> thx bardyr
[14:29] <snador> thank you very much
[14:30] <snador> i'm going to try it
[14:30] <snador> bye
[14:36] <s0u][ight> hello i screwed my xserver up can someone help me
[14:36] <flipstar> what does X say ?
[14:36] <Exilant> what did you screw up?
[14:37] <flipstar> rather how
[14:38] <bardyr> s0u][ight,  let me guess you updated the kernel and lost compiz/gfx/and the world exploded?
[14:39] <snador> hello
[14:39] <snador> i'm back
[14:39] <snador> thank you for your advice
[14:39] <snador> it works fine
[14:39] <snador> except the mouse
[14:40] <s0u][ight> i did apt-get install xserver-xgl
[14:40] <flipstar> oh..
[14:40] <s0u][ight> and after that i did apt-get remove xserver-xgl
[14:41] <flipstar> remove that if you use compiz and nvidia ..
[14:41] <regel> why is hardy mounting my ntfs-drives, even if I removed all ntfs-entries in /etc/fstab?
[14:41] <s0u][ight> what should i do? to make my xserver function good again
[14:42] <s0u][ight> i can start gnome but compiz and emerald aint working :(
[14:42] <Exilant> is that xgl-setup still as weird as in gutsy?
[14:42] <bardyr> s0u][ight, what exactly is wrong? error messages are really good too
[14:42] <snador> have you installed drivers for your graphics card?
[14:42] <s0u][ight> nope i use those once who come with my gusty live cd
[14:42] <s0u][ight> and they worked perfectly
[14:43] <snador> with standard drivers you can't use compiz
[14:43] <s0u][ight> well i could do it with the driver it used for my intel 945
[14:43] <s0u][ight> i didn't change anything
[14:45] <s0u][ight> is there a kind of thing i can use to go to my early settings?
[14:45] <s0u][ight> like systemrecovery
[14:46] <s0u][ight> no?
[14:47] <s0u][ight> just don't say i need to reinstall ubuntu :|
[14:47] <s0u][ight> and do an hardy upgrade etc. to make my wireless card working etc.:'(
[14:49] <bazhang> what card?
[14:54] <s0u][ight> hello a restart helped :D
[14:54] <jimmy__> hey guys, the last system update wrecked my xorg.conf
[14:54] <jimmy__> its empty now, and my mouse doesnt work
[14:55] <jimmy__> i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it wont "overwrite custom xorg.conf"
[14:55] <chrismurf> How bad is the server version of Hardy at the moment?  Want to move a few robots to ubuntu, and Hardy makes sense from an LTS perspective, but the timeline is a bit shorter than the release date.
[14:55] <jimmy__> im using a thinkpad t61 with an onboard nvidia graphics
[14:58] <P2502> jimmy__: its "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[14:58] <jimmy__> yeah ive tried that
[14:58] <jimmy__> hold on ill paste the error
[14:59] <jimmy__> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[14:59] <jimmy__>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080227095852
[14:59] <jimmy__> but nothing happens, my xorg.conf is empty
[14:59] <jimmy__> ill pastebin in
[14:59] <chrismurf> is anybody here using server hardy?  Or just desktop?
[15:00] <P2502>  jimmy__:  you may restore manually from backup or delete file and run command again
[15:00] <P2502> but i'm not sure if xorg.conf even required anymore
[15:00] <P2502> i'll better look into Xorg.0.log
[15:00] <h3sp4wn> chrismurf: You mean the server kernel ?
[15:01] <jimmy__> http://www.pastebin.ca/920623
[15:01] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn, the basic server install, ie without Xorg and such.  The major 'caveats' for install are all desktop related things, I'm looking at a server install
[15:01] <jimmy__> i cant find Xorg.0.log
[15:01] <chrismurf> wondering how stable the core is
[15:01] <chrismurf> is it ALPHA alpha, or just alpha ;-)
[15:02] <P2502> jimmy__: this is NOT empty, and this is actually normal xorg.conf
[15:02] <P2502> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:02] <h3sp4wn> chrismurf: Its not alpha
[15:02] <jimmy__> but it doesnt show my touchpad, my video adapter, screen, anything
[15:02] <h3sp4wn> Other than gnome
[15:02] <chrismurf> so - fairly usable under the covers?
[15:02] <P2502> jimmy__: format of xorg.conf has changed
[15:02] <h3sp4wn> chrismurf: Its not like *bsd current is
[15:03] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn, what do you mean by that?
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> Or fedora rawhide
[15:03] <jimmy__> http://www.pastebin.ca/920626
[15:03] <h3sp4wn> chrismurf: Its not full of loads of unstable versions of software
[15:03] <chrismurf> great - thanks.  I guess I'll check it out then
[15:03] <Amaranth> and by changed you mean it now autodetects everything that isn't explicitly set in xorg.conf
[15:04] <h3sp4wn> I dunno why anyone would use Linux for a server though
[15:04] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn,  question is just whether to move a couple of robots to gutsy, or hardy.
[15:04] <h3sp4wn> Mine uses Solaris dom0 and Linux DomU's
[15:04] <h3sp4wn> chrismurf: Why not a RTOS
[15:04] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn, "server" just means it doesn't install a bunch of useless crud
[15:05] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn, because RTOS's and proprietary OS's make development a pain in the butt
[15:05] <h3sp4wn> chrismurf: ecos is GPL
[15:05] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn, don't know it, but we don't require RTOS performance
[15:05] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn, we have seperate motor controllers and such, it's just the high level control logic that runs on the PC
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> So its full pc
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> i was thinking something else
[15:06] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn, PC104 stack with ~400Mhz x86 proc.
[15:06] <chrismurf> these are big robots: http://blogs.spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/2008/02/06/whois_robotic_excursion_under.html
[15:06] <h3sp4wn> I think I would still use uclibc (buildroot 2 is pretty nice)
[15:07] <P2502> jimmy__: so you have only problem with mouse?
[15:07] <h3sp4wn> still too much crud in a "server" install for me
[15:07] <jimmy__> and graphics, its not letting me use compiz and doesnt "feel accelerated" its very choppy
[15:08] <h3sp4wn> chrismurf: article is pretty interesting
[15:09] <P2502>  jimmy__: this is because you required to reinstall nvidia driver
[15:09] <P2502> check update servers
[15:09] <jimmy__> tried :\
[15:10] <jimmy__> ill try manually to search for nvidia in synaptic & install it
[15:10] <jimmy__> nvidia-glx-new is already installed
[15:10] <P2502> from your log file it seems your have parts of old nvidia driver left like glx lib but useing nv ftiver
[15:10] <P2502> delete and install again, tried?
[15:10] <chrismurf> h3sp4wn, thanks
[15:10] <jimmy__> no not yet ill try now
[15:12] <jimmy__> ouff now screens & graphics is empty
[15:12] <jimmy__> ill restart x
[15:13] <Viaken> A broken linux-image package a known thing, or am I having a weird problem?
[15:15] <jimmy__> nah no luck
[15:16] <P2502>  jimmy__: are you used applet or synaptic?
[15:16] <jimmy__> synaptic
[15:16] <P2502> it may not make required changes
[15:18] <P2502> 1st was released new kernel, this is what broke your graphics, later was released new restricted-modules and nvidia driver package thru update
[15:18] <jimmy__> yeah i downloaded that this morning
[15:18] <jimmy__> i couldnt get restricted modules yesterday the package was missing from my repository
[15:19] <jimmy__> and now you cant manually select a repository anymore in synaptic so i got all confused
[15:19] <P2502> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:21] <P2502> and Xorg.0.log show no problems with mouse or touchpad, i dont know why its not work
[15:22] <P2502> it says they are initialized correctly
[15:22] <jimmy__> now that i logged out and back in my mouse is working fine
[15:22] <jimmy__> before every click was a double click
[15:23] <jimmy__> so i couldnt navigate menus, luckilly the touchpad still worked
[15:23] <P2502> press and hold mouse button
[15:23] <jimmy__> i just unplugged it :)
[15:36] <TFrog> anyone here get the broadcom chip working wirelessly on Heron?
[15:41] <s0u][ight> hello does anyone know a good application to film a desktop?
[15:42] <hit> s0u][ight, recordmydesktop
[15:42] <Exilant> ah, an update, maybe fglrx works with that :)
[15:43] <s0u][ight> i found istanbul
[15:44] <s0u][ight> tnx anyway :D
[15:57] <DanaG> WTF?  I get odd beeps on opening and closing my lid.
[15:58] <pushax> hi all
[15:59] <pushax> has anyone got Wine working?
[15:59] <flipstar> yep
[15:59] <flipstar> using the new one from winehq
[16:00] <pushax> is htat from the gutsy gibbon repository?
[16:00] <flipstar> err its 0.9.56 or so
[16:01] <pushax> k
[16:01] <flipstar> !info wine gutsy
[16:01] <ubotu> wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.46-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 33097 kB, installed size 103228 kB
[16:01] <flipstar> gutsy has 0.9.46
[16:03] <pushax> So is 9.55 broken?
[16:03] <TheInfinity> hmm
[16:03] <flipstar> jup seems so
[16:03] <P2502> no, just the one in repo
[16:03] <Laney> Anyone experiencing invisible menus in gnome-terminal?
[16:03] <TheInfinity> now somebody here who can help me finding the error in xorg?
[16:05] <TheInfinity> http://files.ernestoruge.de/misc/Xorg.0.log <-- heres the log
[16:05] <P2502> system monitor load one of the cores to 100% with default nv driver, and display garbage
[16:05] <wobbo> When copy pasting, there are some new options right? When copying a folder to a location where the folder name is the same, i get "cancel, merge, merge all, skip, skip all" what about overwrite?
[16:06] <makaveli> so i was here on last night tryin to fix this low graphics mode
[16:06] <makaveli> but still cnt get out of it
[16:07] <makaveli> always rebootin in low graphics mode
[16:10] <makaveli> this is frustrating, spent hours here trying to fix it and still cant
[16:11] <TheInfinity> makaveli: i dont get anything right in live cd, i just get safe graphics mode to run, bulletproof xorg does not start at all ;)
[16:11] <wobbo> maybe not 'overwrite' but 'replace' is the missing option
[16:11] <makaveli> lol yea
[16:11] <P2502> TheInfinity: interesting, you log show you are using vesa driver
[16:11] <makaveli> problem is i had everything working, but then after an update, screen res dropped
[16:12] <P2502> TheInfinity: what is your problem anyway?
[16:12] <makaveli> now i'm stuck in low graphics mode, and i cant get out. still waiting for hardy envy support
[16:12] <TheInfinity> the funny thing is - booting in safe graphics mode works
[16:12] <TheInfinity> without safe graphics mode xorg does not start
[16:12] <TheInfinity> but the configuration test works
[16:13] <TheInfinity> i just write a bug report ... ?
[16:13] <P2502> this is log from failsaif session but required is log from failed xorg startup
[16:13] <P2502> filesafe
[16:14] <TheInfinity> P2502: how can i get this log?
[16:14] <TheInfinity> and - also the failsafe mode didnt work
[16:14] <P2502> (21:12:09) TheInfinity: the funny thing is - booting in safe graphics mode works
[16:15] <TheInfinity> P2502: and this is the log of usual boot
[16:15] <makaveli> wondering if i should jus give upa nd format
[16:15] <jp> Question for anyone: on a fresh install of hardy, failsafe gnome logs in fine, but with a normal gnome login, after loading the background and playing the sound, X dies (as evident in daemon.log only) and kicks me back to gdm.
[16:15] <TheInfinity> i think xorg enteres in vesa mode after getting problems with nv driver
[16:15] <TheInfinity> and this is the log of it
[16:15] <makaveli> ya infinity
[16:15] <makaveli> i'm on vesa mode too
[16:16] <TheInfinity> i think it would be good to have the safe mode log, too
[16:16] <TheInfinity> so that devs can understand why in one case it works and in the other not