[21:31] <shayes> What's funny is I've installed this same version of ubuntu on the laptop before and it's run perfectly
[21:32] <kusochi> oh :o maybe its something in bios?
[21:33] <Cernunnos> Is there a way to make the "dock" thingy function more like the Windows taskbar? Like you click on the the program you are focused on again and it'll minimize?
[21:33] <Cernunnos> I've been wanting to do that
[21:34] <BradPitt> shayes:  actually, my friend has the same problem on his new asus laptop he bought.
[21:34] <BradPitt> 300euro laptop
[21:35] <BradPitt> shayes:  have you upgraded it? lol
[21:35] <BradPitt> ubuntu
[21:35] <shayes> Cernunnos, maybe Ubuntu Tweak Tool?
[21:35] <shayes> *Unity, not Ubuntu
[21:35] <Cernunnos> Where tho
[21:35] <Cernunnos> Wait you mean the Unity Tweak Tool?
[21:35] <shayes> the Unity Tweak Tool is in the Software Center
[21:35] <AndreyBN> guys..nobody answers on blender channel
[21:35] <shayes> yeah
[21:35] <AndreyBN> is someone a blender pro here?
[21:36] <shayes> BradPitt, I may wind up trying to reinstall 15.10 when it comes out
[21:36] <MonkeyDust> !hot is If your laptop's temperature is getting too high, consider installing thermald (a daemon) and indicator-cpufreq (an applet). Also look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/power-hotcomputer.html
[21:38] <Cernunnos> How does one install "compton"?
[21:39] <Cernunnos> nevermind
[21:39] <k1l_> !info compton
[21:41] <lacan> is there anyone here dual booting ubuntu & fedora?
[21:42] <k1l_> lacan: perhaps, but maybe they are all asleep :)
[21:42] <lacan> probably :(
[21:42] <k1l_> lacan: so what is the real question?
[21:43] <Cernunnos> I fixed my screen tearing issue :3
[21:43] <Cernunnos> CompizConfig>Uncheck "Detect Refresh Rate">Set Refresh Rate to "60"
[21:43] <kusochi> oh nice!
[21:44] <kusochi> ah cool
[21:44] <Cernunnos> Yall are gonna help me w/ everything
[21:44] <kusochi> i thought compiz had vsync by default
[21:44] <Cernunnos> How to install proprietary Java m8
[21:44] <Cernunnos> Apparently not
[21:45] <lacan> the problem is that Fedora is have issue booting with UEFI?!
[21:45] <Cernunnos> I hate UEFI
[21:45] <Cernunnos> so much
[21:45] <kusochi> whats wrong with uefi?
[21:45] <Cernunnos> Confusing
[21:45] <Cernunnos> I mean from a technical standpoint
[21:45] <Cernunnos> awesome
[21:45] <Cernunnos> but
[21:46] <k1l_> lacan: did you try to ask #fedora ?
[21:46] <Cernunnos> Going back and forth between Legacy and UEFI is just no
[21:46] <OerHeks> !uefi
[21:46] <lacan> Is too complicated to solve the problem, but however there is easier way to accomplish it !
[21:46] <kusochi> i just use uefi everywhere
[21:47] <Cernunnos> What I mean is that I repair PCs for some side money
[21:47] <lacan> @kll_ Nope
[21:47] <nettlejam> apt package question: I know I can see the dependencies of a package with 'apt-cache depends pkgname', but how can I see what _version_ of the dependency packages are required?
[21:47] <Cernunnos> and whenever somebody brings in a PC with UEFI and then I'm working on one with a Legacy BIOS I get confused between the two...
[21:47] <k1l_> lacan: so if fedora got issues better ask them. fedora is different from ubuntu
[21:47] <Cernunnos> May just be my lack of experience with UEFI
[21:48] <kusochi> legacy bios is easier to deal with for sure
[21:48] <Cernunnos> this PC has a legacy BIOS
[21:49] <lacan> Somehow i've got the answer in Ubuntu 14.10 grub with certain kernel can solve it, but i don't know how it does.
[21:49] <y6y6> 100 $ aws coupon codes for sale, disccounted
[21:49] <y6y6> pm mme
[21:49] <k1l_> y6y6: no spam in here, please
[21:49] <y6y6> wtb 1?
[21:50] <lacan> and another problem with ubuntu is updating to new kernel all the program error
[21:50] <k1l_> lacan: ubutnu 14.10 is end of life already. you need to upgrade that
[21:52] <lacan> @kll_: but usually updating is not the best way, coz it could make errors
[21:53] <k1l_> lacan: if you dont want to upgrade you made a big misstake to not stay on 14.04 LTS then.
[21:54] <k1l_> lacan: non LTS ubuntus have only 9 month support. so you need to upgrade at least every 6 months until you reach the next LTS which is 16.04.
[21:54] <lacan> @kll_: i've already using Ubuntu 14.04LTS, coz i'm using hybrid booting !
[21:54] <k1l_> lacan: you mentioned 14.10 before.
[21:55] <k1l_> lacan: so please be more specific what the issue is
[21:55] <k1l_> lacan: show error messages output in a patebin please
[21:56] <Sentinell> :D
[21:56] <lacan> kll_: yes, right now i'm logging in 14.10 but i'm using Fedora and 14.04 too
[21:56] <k1l_> lacan: 14.10 is dead. dont use that anymore
[21:57] <lacan> @kll_: so what u use anyway ?!
[21:58] <k1l_> lacan: supported ubuntus. not dead ones
[22:00] <lacan> @kll_: alright, i'll try to upgrade 14.10 to 16.10 later, and we'll see what the issues..!
[22:00] <k1l_> lacan: no no no
[22:01] <OerHeks> some like finding issues.
[22:02] <k1l_> lacan: you need to upgrade to 15.04, since that is the next release after 14.10. but 15.04 looses support on januar 2016. so then you need to upgrade to 15.10. and at maximum 6 months after that you need to uprade to 16.04, which is a LTS with 5 years lifespan then
[22:04] <lacan> @kll_: is that support for 14.04 already end since u said 15.04 will END in january 2016?!
[22:05] <k1l_> lacan: no. 14.04 is LTS, which means 5 years support. the next LTS is 16.04.
[22:05] <k1l_> !releases | lacan
[22:06] <lacan> Ok, thnks for your suggestions
[22:13] <virgilia> Has anyone gotten Navi's Quest to run in ubuntu vivid?
[22:14] <fwef> Hi, I cannot change my volume with a keyboard shortcut. xev correctly recognizes XF86AudioLowerVolume and XF86AudioRaiseVolume being pressed but nothing happens. Any clues on what might be going on?
[22:16] <dm_comp> having problems with sed: i need to replace a word starting with \ so sed 's/\hello/hello'
[22:16] <dm_comp> $ sed -e s/\\hello/hello/ foo
[22:17] <dm_comp> not working :(
[22:18] <fwef> dm_comp: echo '\hello world' | sed -e 's/\\hello/hello/' works fine
[22:19] <dm_comp> humm
[22:20] <dm_comp> fwef: that was very odd
[22:20] <dm_comp> it works
[22:21] <dm_comp> missing '' with e i think was the problem
[22:21] <dm_comp> so sed -e needs quotes
[22:22] <dm_comp> fwef: thx!
[22:23] <fwef> dm_comp: you're welcome
[22:27] <the_map> I've heard that OS X has a free download; is that only for mac users, or can I install it for dual boot? I'm running Ubuntu 15.04
[22:28] <k1l_> the_map: better ask the OSX guys about that
[22:28] <the_map> would you happen to know offhand if there's an IRC channel I can go to?
[22:28] <jpds_> the_map: OS X is engineered with Mac hardware in mind
[22:30] <dew3y> hi
[22:31] <the_map> ok, thanks k1l_ and jpds_
[22:31] <bprompt> the_map:     you mean, macOSX for x86 architecture?
[22:31] <the_map> 64
[22:32] <the_map> well, the computer is 64 bit
[22:32] <bprompt> the_map:   are you on an apple machine running ubuntu? or an x86 one?
[22:32] <bprompt> the_map:  x86 is just the intel original architecture, it can be 16bit or 32bit or 64bit nowadays
[22:33] <Trinity> anyone have experience getting SCII working on ubuntu?
[22:33] <the_map> bprompt: give me a moment, spinning the computer up; just took updates
[22:33] <Trinity> i've tried PlayonLinux but it just crashes during battlenet screen
[22:34] <the_map> bprompt: just ran uname -a; part of the output was x86_64 if that helps
[22:34] <the_map> it's an acer aspire
[22:35] <bprompt> the_map:  ahemm, nope... anyhow, if you were on an apple, I'd think you'd know, so I gather is x86,    anyway, yes, there's an x86 macOSX version, so-called "hackintosh", and yes, there's a channel ##hackintosh you could check out
[22:36] <the_map> bprompt: ok, I'll check it out; thanks for the help
[22:36] <bprompt> np
[22:43] <sarahcove> Hi. I'm new to Ubuntu (and the programming world in general) and am looking for help. I'm trying to create a bootable usb for Mac. I get an isolinux.bin missing or corrupt error. I've tried loading the ubuntu.img file onto two usbs, both with terminal and with Mac Linux USB Loader and am still getting that error. Does anyone have any suggestions of what I should next try?
[22:45] <sarahcove> I was following the instructions at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx and searched the ubuntu forums, trying what they suggested.
[22:47] <wileee> sarahcove, Have you checked the downloaded iso's md5sum?
[22:47] <sarahcove> How do I do that?
[22:47] <wileee> !md5sum | sarahcove wiki should help
[22:48] <sarahcove> Okay. Wonderful. I'll head there and see if that resolves things. Thanks guys.
[22:48] <wileee> sarahcove, Not familiar with using apple here, but this is where we generally start to look at it.
[22:48] <sarahcove> Great. Thanks!
[22:48] <wileee> no problem
[22:58] <sarahcove> Hello again. I have the problem where I'm getting the isolinux.bin missing or corrupt error when I try to install Ubutnu from my USB drive. I verified my Ubuntu image and got the correct MD5sum of cab6dd5ee6d649ed1b24e807c877c0ae . So the iso file I'm using seems to have downloaded correctly.
[22:58] <bekks> sarahcove: So how did you create the USB install medium and which ISO did you use?
[23:00] <sarahcove> I used the ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso and tried creating a USB in two ways. The first was defined at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx where I converted the .iso file to an .img file and then wrote it to the usb with dd.
[23:01] <sarahcove> The other method I used when the first didn't work was to erase the USB and then use the Mac Linux USB Loader application. It said it loaded the USB successfully but I still got the error when trying to load Ubuntu at startup
[23:02] <sarahcove> I tried two different USB sticks, in case the logic on one was causing it to be created poorly.
[23:02] <cfhowlett> sarahcove, converted to .img?  I can confirm that amd64 boots just fine with no such alteration.
[23:03] <sarahcove> Hi crhowlett. Should I not have convert the .iso file to .img before writing it to the usb?
[23:04] <jpds_> sarahcove: No, Ubuntu uses hybird images that can be written straight to the USB
[23:04] <bekks> sarahcove: you can dd the ISO to the USB directly, since it is a hybrid ISO.
[23:05] <cfhowlett> sarahcove, I've created plenty of USB using the standard 64 bit .iso then booted directly on Macs
[23:05] <sarahcove> Okay. Thanks guys. I will try that. Hopefully that takes care of things.
[23:05] <sarahcove> Really appreciate the support
[23:06] <Guest86162> Hey, all.  At my mother's for thanksgiving.  Last kernel update, it looks like she lost support for her USB devices (eg. mouse and keyboard).  I'm booted on an older kernel now.  This is an OLD Atom machine. Does this issue ring a bell for anybody?  Doing an apt-get upgrade  ATM and crossing my fingers.
[23:08] <Wes-> oh, she's on 14.10 LTS FWIW
[23:08] <wileee> !eolupgrade | Wes-
[23:09] <k1l_> Wes-: either LTS or 14.10.
[23:09] <k1l_> Wes-: lsb_release -d will tell
[23:09] <sarahcove> Hi guys, a quick question, which might be what was causing the problems. I was using diskutil list in terminal to find the drive of the usb. It was showing up on disk1 with the partition at disk1s1. I was trying to write the ubuntu file to disk1s1. Is that a mistake? Should I write directly to disk1 instead of to the named partition for the USB?
[23:10] <Wes-> AH, whoops, thanks -- Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[23:10] <k1l_> Wes-: well, missing a lot of updates there. it should already say 14.04.3
[23:11] <cfhowlett> sarahcove, yes to USB1 not to partitions on USB1
[23:11] <sarahcove> Awesome! Thanks. That may have been my problem. Cheers
[23:11] <Wes-> k1l_:  That's good news, then, maybe an update will fix things.  Will have to dig to figure why it's not updating.
[23:12] <IPU> anyone familiar with partitioning an ubuntu server? i've running 14.04.3 lts on a 64gb emmc. Server purpose would be a webserver for a groupware installation for 5-10 users (apache2, mysql, php, postfix, dovecot) and i've also planing to add a nagios instance sometime later... any purposes concerning the partitioning scheme?
[23:13] <Wes-> How old is kernel 3.13.0-49?  Sep 2015?  Looks like that's the last update that applied.
[23:14] <cfhowlett> !server | ipu ask the server channel
[23:14] <bekks> Wes-: are you on 14.04?
[23:14] <katas> ciao
[23:15] <katas> !list
[23:15] <Wes-> bekks: 14.04.1 LTS - doing an upgrade right now
[23:15] <bekks> Wes-: 14.04.3 is the current release, and you should consider using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[23:16] <Wes-> bekks- thanks - will the apt-get upgrade get me there, or do I need to do a dist-upgrade?
[23:16] <cfhowlett> Wes-, apt full-upgrade
[23:17] <Wes-> cfhowlett: Ack, thanks.
[23:17] <Megabyte> Hello
[23:18] <Megabyte> Anyone around?
[23:18] <Wes-> My mother points out that I spent last thanksgiving on her computer, I need to get over here more often, lol
[23:19] <kadiro> lol
[23:22] <Wes-> Also, apparently there was a red warning on the screen for weeks but it went away before I got here. :facepalm:
[23:23] <cfhowlett> lol.  classic.
[23:23] <Wes-> On the plus side, she's in her sixties, not a geek, and been using Ubuntu with few issues since 9.04.  I'd say that speaks volumes for the state of Linux on the desktop these days
[23:24] <cfhowlett> while you're there, you might want to check the car for ... tires.  brakes.  oil.  you know; the little thigns
[23:24] <cfhowlett> *things*
[23:25] <shayes> Anybody try elementary OS?
[23:25] <cfhowlett> not on topic and not supported here.
[23:26] <bazhang> !elementary | shayes
[23:32] <shayes> I know, I was just wondering if anybody had used it and what they thought of it
[23:33] <bazhang> shayes, try in #ubuntu-offtopic for polling and chat
[23:33] <shayes> ok thanks
[23:33] <bazhang> welcome
[23:38] <Cernunnos> Anybody know a good free proxy I can use with my bittorrent client?
[23:39] <taco> hello
[23:39] <Guest82636> lagging
[23:40] <Guest82636> how do i change my ip in uuntu
[23:40] <Guest82636> *ubuntu
[23:41] <OerHeks> Guest82636, what ip, internal network or outside?
[23:41] <Guest82636> nevermmind fixed thanks
[23:41] <Guest82636> i fix it
[23:41] <Trinity> anyone know how to get SCII working on Ubuntu? i've tried PlayOnLinux but it crashes at bnet launcher
[23:41] <Guest82636> have you tried running it through virtual box
[23:42] <OerHeks> What is scII?
[23:42] <Guest82636> scsi
[23:43] <jpds_> Guest82636: SCSI?
[23:43] <OerHeks> Trinity, if it is a windows app/game, try #wine or #playonlinux for application help
[23:44] <Cernunnos> Anybody know a good free proxy I can use with my bittorrent client?
[23:44] <Bashing-om> Guest82636: See: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/SCSI.html .
[23:44] <OerHeks> he asked about scII in #ubbuntu-offtopic, too, no answer there either
[23:46] <Cernunnos> Okay... Another question, any idea why my bittorrent client download and upload speed is extremely low?
[23:47] <bazhang> #winehq and appdb for starcraft 2 issues Guest82636
[23:47] <bazhang> !appdb
[23:47] <OerHeks> Cernunnos, ask the peer to speed up :-) is it slow with OFFICIAL torrents from ubuntu too?
[23:47] <Cernunnos> Where can I get those OerHeks?
[23:48] <OerHeks> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[23:48] <Guest82636> the download speed depends on your the thing you downloading
[23:48] <Cernunnos> I know
[23:48] <Cernunnos> But it's never THIS slow
[23:48] <Cernunnos> 158kbps I don't think so
[23:48] <Guest82636> how many seeder does it have
[23:48] <Cernunnos> 27
[23:48] <OerHeks> we do not help with illegal stuff/sources
[23:50] <Guest82636> what version u running
[23:50] <Cernunnos> 3kbps
[23:50] <Guest82636> of linux
[23:50] <Cernunnos> with one of your official torrents
[23:50] <Cernunnos> terrible
[23:50] <Cernunnos> Ubuntu 14.04.3
[23:50] <Cernunnos> now it's 12bytes a second
[23:50] <Guest82636> ok i have zorin but i have ubuntu too but i see it cuase of the distro you running
[23:50] <brotherBox> hey, i updated to veersion 15.4 and ever since i have a problem with my screen which seems to be related to my graphics ri ver
[23:50] <brotherBox> *driver
[23:51] <brotherBox> for reference, i am using an intel hd3000 chip
[23:51] <OerHeks> pauze the other torrents, to see the real speed
[23:51] <brotherBox> now, diagnostics have shown that it seems to be related to the pulse width modulation
[23:52] <beads> I'm switching distros, and I've been looking at ubuntu, however, I don't think I can handle the daily ass poundings required to run it. My question is, how loose are you guys, and how long did it take to get used to it?
[23:52] <Cernunnos> I did
[23:52] <OerHeks> brotherBox, intel is pretty good supported standard.
[23:52] <abb0> is there any reason to choose 14.04 over 15.04 besides the longer support time? unfortunately i cant stand how far behind some of the packages are on the LTS. is there much diff in 15.04?
[23:52] <Cernunnos> brotherbox
[23:52] <Cernunnos> it was at 12 bytes a second
[23:52] <brotherBox> but that doesnt explain why im seeing wrinkly old cocks and nudes of richard stallman everywhere
[23:52] <Cernunnos> Normally I get 6mbps
[23:52] <brotherBox> also the firefighters want to fuck me
[23:52] <Cernunnos> download speed
[23:53] <brotherBox> can i get aids that way
[23:53] <OerHeks>  /ignore brotherbox
[23:53] <abb0> do you really have nothing better to do brotherbox
[23:53] <abb0> ty
[23:54] <Cernunnos> I'm gonna try and use Transmission instead of qBittorrent
[23:55] <Cernunnos> Transmission's speeds aren't any better
[23:57] <Cernunnos> Is there a chance the port I'm using is blocked by a firewall?
[23:57] <Cernunnos> I've got it forwarded
[23:57] <OerHeks> Cernunnos, if speed=0, yes
[23:58] <Cernunnos> ?
[23:58] <Cernunnos> Oh
[23:58] <noahmg123> I am not sure if this is the right place, but I have a didgital ocean droplet which is returning 404 when I try to install apache2-utils
[23:58] <jpds_> noahmg123: apt-get update it
[23:59] <noahmg123> jpds_: thx. forgot about that. :)


[00:28] <squirrelpimp> hi
[00:29] <squirrelpimp> the karmic login screen of xubuntu look nothing like the jaunty one. Is it still using gdm and supposed to look that way?
[00:29] <squirrelpimp> or did i break something?
[00:29] <squirrelpimp> it's not very stylish i think
[00:31] <squirrelpimp> i'd take a screenshot, but i don't know how to run the screenshot app when not logged id
[00:31] <squirrelpimp> in
[00:53] <johny-b-goode> Hello People.
[00:54] <johny-b-goode> is anybody else having issues with Jaunty extremely slow compared to the previous version?
[00:54] <johny-b-goode> same hardware. after upgrade GUI response time is very slow.
[01:07] <SiDi> johny-b-goode: intel graphic card ?
[01:07] <SiDi> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/new-intel-graphics-drivers-for-ubuntu-9-04-jaunty.html
[01:11] <johny-b-goode> it's freakin' unuseable.
[01:11] <johny-b-goode> can't do anything.
[01:11] <johny-b-goode> ati video card.
[01:14] <nox404> can someone help me whith trying ot get a few commands to run once x is started
[01:15] <nox404> i have looked on google and tried serval things
[01:16] <johny-b-goode> what are u trying to run.
[01:16] <nox404> boot.tsharc start
[01:16] <nox404> and onboard
[01:16] <nox404> i have a hammerhead xrt
[01:17] <nox404> with touch screen
[01:17] <johny-b-goode> sorry, not familiar at all.
[01:17] <nox404> ok
[01:17] <nox404> but thank you anyway
[01:17] <johny-b-goode> hehe, I thought it might be something simple that I could help with. :)
[01:17] <nox404> i just need to find a way to excuite these games once x is started
[01:17] <nox404> thank you for your interest
[01:17] <johny-b-goode> did they ever run?
[01:18] <nox404> yes
[01:18] <johny-b-goode> so something changed?
[01:18] <nox404> i can click on the script i have and it starts up just find
[01:18] <johny-b-goode> ok, but now you want to run it differently?
[01:18] <nox404> but i need it to start up automaticly every time x starts
[01:19] <johny-b-goode> oh, what is your DE?
[01:19] <nox404> DE?
[01:19] <johny-b-goode> desktop environment.
[01:19] <nox404> Xubuntu
[01:19] <nox404> default
[01:19] <johny-b-goode> oh xfce...
[01:19] <nox404> xfce yes
[01:20] <johny-b-goode> I remember there being a place where you set auto start apps....
[01:20] <nox404> http://wiki.zenwalk.org/index.php?title=HOWTO_Autostart_Programs
[01:20] <nox404> i will look at this
[01:21] <johny-b-goode> Applications -> Settings -> Xfce 4 Settings Manager.
[01:21] <johny-b-goode> then Session and Startup
[01:21] <johny-b-goode> application Autostart tab.
[01:21] <nox404> omg thank you so much
[01:22] <nox404> i feel dum now
[01:22] <johny-b-goode> :) sure.
[01:22] <nox404> LOL
[01:22] <johny-b-goode> as long as it helps you. :)
[01:22] <nox404> i have been digging through
[01:22] <nox404> code for the last few days
[01:22] <nox404> modding RC.d
[01:22] <nox404> and all this other stuff
[01:22] <nox404> lol
[01:22] <johny-b-goode> :)
[01:23] <johny-b-goode> 'nite. gotta restart and reinstall.
[01:25] <nox404> nite
[08:39] <redDEADresolve> anyone figure out how to change the gdm in xubuntu 9.10, just lokking to chnage the background
[08:41] <allan8904> nope sorry
[08:42] <redDEADresolve> anyone figure out how to change the gdm in xubuntu 9.10, just lokking to chnage the background
[08:44] <redDEADresolve> anyone figure how to change the gdm in xubuntu 9.10, just looking to make the background black
[09:45] <N-S> How do I force the screen resolution in xfe? It's a bit annoying to edit it on every reboot, while the screen is jumping up and down. As it is, there isn't a "Set as default" option in the settings for display.
[09:51] <N-S> ah, googling gave me this to try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". I'll do that and get back here if I fail.
[11:25] <N-S> ^^^^ That command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" gave me an error. Changed to Xorg at the end and other combinations, but nothing happens. No program starts, nothing.
[11:26] <psycho_oreos> N-S you have ati card?
[11:26] <N-S> All conf files in /etc/X11 are just simple dfault fiels with just the words "default" in them.
[11:26] <N-S> psycho_oreos I could check
[11:26] <psycho_oreos> N-S, lspci
[11:27] <N-S> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[11:27] <psycho_oreos> mmm
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> in the meantime you might be able to get away using vesa driver
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> under xorg.conf
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> you'll need to specify it manually (i.e. by hand)
[11:28] <N-S> It boots with a resolution just a bit too high for my external vga-svhs box (system connected to the tv as a XBMC).
[11:28] <N-S> ok
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> hmm then you'll need to re-adjust the modes
[11:29] <N-S> couldn't I force the settings in xorg.conf?
[11:29] <N-S> setting the modes, I mean
[11:29] <psycho_oreos> comment/delete out the resolutions that your tv can't handle
[11:29] <N-S> There aren't any :-/
[11:29] <psycho_oreos> well if its not specified in xorg.conf, it uses default configuration, if you specify what you want, I think that will override whatever that was set as default
[11:29] <N-S> If it had had them I would've done that before.
[11:30] <psycho_oreos> hmm Xorg.*.log may come in handy
[11:30] <N-S> ok, I'll just have to set the default somewhere. Ok, will paste that somewhere.
[11:30] <psycho_oreos> iirc default is /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[11:31] <psycho_oreos> there's another tool that can display the modes in which a video card can render
[11:31] <psycho_oreos> might come in handy but setting  up the modes manually by hand will be a little challenging without google
[11:34] <N-S> http://pastie.org/622669
[11:35] <N-S> http://pastie.org/622670  <= xorg.conf, just default settings
[11:39] <N-S> "(II) intel(0): Output VGA using initial mode 1152x864
[11:39] <N-S> that's where it goes wrong.
[11:45] <N-S> If I just edit my xorg.conf to this http://pastie.org/622672 - then I think it should work. I'll test that on next reboot.
[16:10] <blip-> hi all, I recently installed 9.04 and have seen some annoying quirks.... 1)  I can
[16:11] <blip-> 1) I can't ctrl-alt- backspace  :/
[16:11] <blip-> 2) The session thing is wierd, it's saving stuff and I end up with multiple programs opening when I log in
[16:11] <blip-> 3) The login screen (gdm I think) asks me to type username... I want to select from a list and simple insert passwd
[16:12] <blip-> any idea about any of these ?
[16:14] <jarnos> blip-, as for 3 Xubuntu 9.10 will do
[16:15] <blip-> jarnos: I just did a clean install of 9.04.  I think i'll wait at least 6 months before upgrading
[16:15] <blip-> jarnos: just because I'd prefer to all to be stable
[16:15] <mdshaw89> I think the ctrl-alt-backspace may have been disable for saftey.  I just checked and you can still do a Ctrl-Alt-F1, etc.
[16:16] <mdshaw89> the session stuff I have to agree is a HUGE annoyance
[16:16] <mdshaw89> it was bad enough when Firefox did it
[16:17] <mdshaw89> Not sure who is what the developers are thinking there - it seems as things get farther along I get more and more annoyed by the various "improvements"
[16:18] <mdshaw89> at least no one has made the silly mistake of make compiz a default - when that happens I'll be dumping stuff for sure
[16:20] <blip-> mdshaw89: I think it can be fixed by playing around the the Session startup menu but I'm not sure what to do.   If you don't have the Session Chooser enabled on login, it seems to go to "Default" session... which already has a million things saved in it
[16:25] <turboooooo> using xubuntu 9.10 alpha 6, why does it always ask me for the wifi-password? the keychain password is the same as the login password..
[16:36] <blip-> anyone know how to modify the gdm theme ?  I want a theme that let's me just select a username from list and enter pass, rather than type the username too
[16:42] <knome> blip-, there are gdm themes that let you do that
[16:42] <mdshaw89> Is this in your menu - System / Administration / Login Screen Setup / Themed Greeter?
[16:42] <mdshaw89> can't check mine at this moment
[16:44] <mdshaw89> aaaahhhh - this video makes things look easy - http://pcwizkid.blogspot.com/2008/05/ubuntu-gdm-themes-customizing-login.html
[16:45] <blip-> mdshaw89, knome:  hmm yes indeed there are settings in the themes...  but it looks like the default 9.04 login screen doesn't have the "Face browser" support.   that's a shame because it looks too good to replace :)
[16:48] <mdshaw89> yep
[16:49] <mdshaw89> although - I am not a fan of the "show me all of the accounts I can login as" gdm
[16:49] <blip-> mdshaw89: cool login screens in my opinion http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Ikon+GDM+Theme?content=106126        http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Spectrum?content=111049
[16:53] <mdshaw89> cool!  - I like this one too - http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blue+Smoke?content=111411
[16:55] <mdshaw89> wow! I had no idea there were so many out there!  I'm usually not a big fan of "flare".  ;)
[16:55] <blip-> nice one.  there's nothing like a good looking linux system... perfect on the outside and under the hood too :)
[16:56] <mdshaw89> yep - guess I could spruce up the look to go with the cube I'm running on
[16:56] <blip-> mdshaw89: yeah I used to go for timid light weight stuff like openbox etc... but then every once in a while I really miss having some eye candy... I moved to KDE4 for a few months but then got frustrated that it wasn't as fast as I wanted.   I finally decided xfce with some themes is a good middle ground
[16:57] <blip-> compiz is too much I think... the only time I've used it is to show off what the OS can do and make my windows friend jelous :D
[16:58] <blip-> the xfce transparency/compositor is rock solid though
[17:01] <mdshaw89> Yep - KDE4 drove me to Xubuntu a few months ago
[17:02] <mdshaw89> I had run Kubuntu for about 2years then KDE4 blew it
[17:03] <mdshaw89> I had actually been looking at LXDE but it looks like it doesn't have ENOUGH configurable items - I like the speed though
[17:06] <mdshaw89> When I switched ti Xubuntu I was hoping I wouldn't get any many Gnome/KDE dependancies but looks like I settle for "not as much".  :(
[17:12] <mdshaw89> when I first read the Linus rant I thought he was a bit over the top - but I got top the same point unfortunately. :)
[17:12] <mdshaw89> nd the bad thing is I had ALL of my home PCs running Kubuntu so if KDE frustrated me, there was no way I could do that to the rest of my family . . . and stay alive. :)
[17:13] <mdshaw89> So I just switched my last PC - my wife's laptop - to Xubuntu 9.04 last weekend and going from KDE3 to Xubuntu has been relatively painless.
[18:03] <jmcand> hi I have a problem with the save as function , using Jaunty , since last kernel update  the save as function take a long time and triggers high cpu usage
[19:41] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I am planning on installing xubuntu as a backup recovery-os on my main desktop, how much space does 9.04 need? I dont have much free space to partition off
[19:48] <slow-motion> hi
[20:21] <sake_> hi
[20:22] <sake_> will xubuntu include the startup in x?
[20:22] <sake_> !ask will xubuntu include the startup in x?
[20:23] <knome> sake_, can you be more specific?
[20:23] <sake_> will karmic include the startup in x
[20:23] <sake_> rather than in usplash?
[20:23] <sake_> like ubuntu?
[20:23] <knome> yes, i suppose we will use xsplash
[20:24] <sake_> ok
[20:24] <sake_> also, will there be new artwork
[20:24] <sake_> or the same as jaunty?
[20:26] <sake_> and will karmic be any lighter than jaunty?
[20:26] <sake_> because jaunty runs pretty slow on my comp
[20:27] <sake_> knome:
[20:27] <knome> new artwork yes, lighter... maybe
[20:41] <sake_> thanx
[20:41] <sake_> u guys r doin a great job btw
[20:41] <sake_> this is the best ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu yet
[21:11] <SiDi> sake_: you'll make some people happy if you say that in #xubuntu-devel ;)
[21:20] <vedevede> I need help browsing network shares in xfce.
[21:20] <vedevede> I have installed fusesmb, and I am in the fuse group, and I have a directory I'd like to be for the network (/media/network) but it does nothing.
[21:21] <SiDi> vedevede: hi there
[21:21] <SiDi> What are you trying to do exactly ?
[21:22] <vedevede> I have a local network here, and I'm trying to browse local computers' shared documents.
[21:22] <SiDi> okey
[21:22] <SiDi> so you want to connect to existing samba shares ?
[21:23] <SiDi> and you want to mount these samba shares in /media/network automagically ?
[21:23] <vedevede> The computers I'm trying to connect to are Windows machines, so I doubt they're samba...
[21:23] <vedevede> And yes, automagically mounting them to /media/network at startup would be GREAT.
[21:23] <SiDi> Windows's protocol is Samba
[21:23] <vedevede> ... I believe it's just plain smb.
[21:24] <SiDi> doesnt smb stand for samba ?
[21:24] <vedevede> I don't think so.
[21:24] <vedevede> But meh.
[21:24] <vedevede> They're compatible, so it's irrelevant.
[21:24] <SiDi> okey
[21:24] <vedevede> I just want to mount them to /media/network so I can get stuff from them and put things on them.
[21:25] <SiDi> i think gigolo can do that
[21:25] <SiDi> i dont have any windows machine so i dont know how to setup smb shares
[21:25] <SiDi> but gigolo is meant to handle that
[21:26] <SiDi> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/configure-a-system-to-automount-a-samba-share-with-etcfstab/ might also be a way to do it
[21:26] <vedevede> I'm not sure if I have gigolo, and I know I don't know how to use it.
[21:28] <SiDi> What xubuntu version do you have ?
[21:28] <SiDi> gigolo is a new app for managing network shares in Xub 9.04
[21:29] <vedevede> I'm using Ubuntu, but with the xfce DE.
[21:29] <vedevede> Ubuntu Jaunty
[21:30] <vedevede> Okay, I do have gigolo.
[21:31] <vedevede> And it has an icon for "network" but it just brings me to /media/network, which is empty.
[21:37] <vedevede> ...
[21:37] <vedevede> Honestly, I wonder if this could be made slightly more difficult.
[21:38] <vedevede> Seriously. It should not be this absurd to connect to a network computer.
[21:41] <vedevede> By this point I have little fragments of crap strewn all over my computer. I have fusesmb in startup, I have a fuse group, both of which obviously WILL NOT DO ANYTHING.
[21:45] <vedevede> Wow.
[21:45] <vedevede> Now gigolo doesn't even have the network icon anymore.
[21:46] <vedevede> <3333333
[21:48] <knome> !attitude | vedevede
[21:51] <vedevede> Okay, I've made slight progress. I was able to access my LAN. Once. In a purely linear fashion.
[21:52] <vedevede> ie. I could go to a subdirectory, but I was unable to go BACK, or ever reconnect to the LAN.
[21:52] <vedevede> Error: Transport endpoint is not connected.
[21:54] <vedevede> Okay.
[21:55] <vedevede> Here's the problem: In gigolo, I can access the LAN ONCE, but after that, if I want to access it again, I have to disconnect from the network completely, then fusesmb /media/network again.
[22:04] <vedevede> Righty-o then. Official Ubuntu-related support is obviously not the way to go when I want Ubuntu-related support. Not once, ever, have I gotten help here, or in #ubuntu.
[23:51] <slow-motion> n8


[02:29] <zhhuabj> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lhvp2-fbW8rezaipQklk3tzU7mIefH3J2UUFUW5Dv24/edit#
[02:30] <zhhuabj> sorry, type error
[02:30] <zhhuabj> pls ignore it
[02:31] <sarnold> you may wish to check the ACLs on your doc to make sure it is properly restricted
[03:48] <brianw__> anyone here use lxc for samba ad dc containers && ctdb/glusterfs samba dfs file servers (containers) ??
[03:49] <brianw> my nick is brianw
[03:49] <brianw> :)
[09:40] <arcsky> hello
[09:40] <arcsky> i have empty files messages/syslog. what can i do about it?
[10:57] <samba35> i am trying to confiugre mail /web server @home ,i am able to send email but i am not sure how pop3/pop3s  to be configure
[10:57] <samba35> i am behind a firewall /utm /pop proxy for spam and antivirus and other thing ,if i have to use ssl certificate do i have to use my own certicate  (create with openssl )
[11:01] <samba35> using ubuntu 14.04.2
[11:02] <bekks> samba35: "Yes."
[11:12] <samba35> bekks: thanks
[11:12] <samba35> if i am using  proxy /relay do i have to use that proxy's certificate ?
[11:13] <bekks> No, since you want to configure your own mailserver, not the proxy server.
[11:14] <samba35> my ubuntu mail server is behind utm/firewall /proxy
[11:15] <samba35> in that case do i have to use that utm/firewall/proxy's certificate ?
[11:15] <samba35> or i have to use dovecot's certificate
[11:16] <samba35> my mail server use relay to deliver mails
[13:12] <pi-> I'm seeking to remotely (from my MacBook) modify files in my VFS's /var/www/html.  I'm looking at using sshfs to do a remote mount. I can get it working for mounting ~ but not /var/www/html
[13:13] <pi-> sshfs  pi@<IP_ADDRESS>:/home/pi  ~/RemoteFS/droplet_home    <-- works, asks me for my remote pi password
[13:13] <pi-> sshfs -o allow_other root@<IP_ADDRESS>:/var/www/html ~/RemoteFS/droplet_webroot   <-- asks me for my remote root password, but rejects it even though I know I'm typing it in correctly
[13:14] <pi-> ah I have disabled remote root access!
[13:14] <pi-> d'oh
[13:15] <pi-> So what I'm wondering is whether I can move everything from /var/www/html to say ~/web, and symlink
[13:15] <pi-> Does this sound sane?
[13:26] <Jare> remote root..grrr
[13:27] <Jare> change the file owner/group for that dir+files, just ensure that the webserver has permissions to access the files...
[13:30] <pi-> I've just done `sudo mv /var/www/html/wiki ~/web/` -- now I need to do something like `sudo chmod -R u+w ~/web` so that user has write-access. But that doesn't seem to have had any effect.
[13:31] <pi-> `ls -l web/`  displays  "drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4096 Apr  3 15:56 wiki"   -- it is failing to set the middle '-' to 'w'.
[13:32] <pi-> I'm guessing this is because by doing `sudo`, my 'u' is now going to be root
[13:34] <pi-> Just reading up, the owner of that folder is root.  So I think I need to be changing the owner to pi.
[13:36] <pi-> `sudo chown -R pi web;  sudo chmod -R u+w web;  ls -l web/`  still prints out "drwxr-xr-x 14 pi root 4096 Apr  3 15:56 wiki"
[13:38] <pi-> I do notice everything in ~/web/wiki now has ??w ??? ??? permissions. I've just realised I didn't want to do that. heh. Lucky I took a backup.
[13:51] <sergey> How to setup mail sever on vps?
[14:52] <Voyage> Hi
[14:52] <Voyage> I have googled a lot and found no answer workable answer to this question: How to downgrade from php 5.5.9 to php 5.4?
[15:01] <teward> Voyage: manual compilation of php 5.4 and removal of the version installed from the repositories, likely
[15:01] <Voyage> teward,  if I install php5 manually, it wont be connected to apt-get anymore and I would not be able to install modules and auto integrate them with apache etc?
[15:02] <teward> probably not, no.
[15:02] <teward> Voyage: why do ou need 5.4 anyways
[15:02] <teward> it's "old"
[15:02] <Voyage> ya, some app requires it.
[15:02] <teward> 'some app'
[15:02] <teward> the app needs updating
[15:02] <Voyage> teward,  sugarcrm7.5
[15:03] <Voyage> ok, how about I downgrade/change repository, install php5.4, lock the php5.4 version, change repository to latest again in sources. update?
[15:04] <teward> Voyage: still going to be stuck on bad module versions - the modules would've been updated for the version in the repositories, not the version you've installed
[15:04] <teward> Voyage: i can't believe that sugarcrm doesn't provide an update package for newer PHP, after all they are kinda bound to PHP upstream's versions, soon enough 5.4.x will probably burn
[15:04] <Patrickdk> how did you get php 5.5.9?
[15:04] <Patrickdk> 14.04 is 5.4
[15:04] <Patrickdk> or it is 5.5 isn't it?
[15:04]  * Patrickdk is going braindead
[15:05] <teward> Patrickdk: it's 5.5
[15:05] <Patrickdk> ya, so many issues with php 5.5, expectially from zend
[15:06] <Patrickdk> it's one thing to have app support for 5.5, it's another when php people can't make support for 5.5 so you can support 5.5
[15:06] <Voyage> teward,  so is there a proper solution?
[15:06] <Patrickdk> voyage, it's simple
[15:06] <Patrickdk> you just rebuild the 5.4 or 5.3 php packages for your release
[15:07] <Voyage> rebuild the 5.4 ?
[15:07] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  what do you mean? how?
[15:07] <Patrickdk> I am not going go into how
[15:07] <Patrickdk> as I don't feel like holding your hand for the next x hours to do it
[15:07] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  rebuild manually without apt and repositories?
[15:07] <Patrickdk> that is what google is for and all the webpages that tell you
[15:07] <Patrickdk> why would you do that?
[15:08] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  dont worry, I would do the research. just tell me what do you mean by "rebuild"
[15:08] <Patrickdk> I never said not to use apt, or repos
[15:08] <teward> Voyage: the alternative is to rebuild the debian package - get the older version from Debian or the last version in Ubuntu repositories to have 5.4, rebuild.
[15:08] <teward> the tricky part is a LOT of the php modules in the repositories aren't exactly in the php5 source package
[15:09] <Patrickdk> anything that touches php will likely need to be rebuilt
[15:09] <Patrickdk> but likely, you don't use a lot of them
[15:09] <maxb> Though, to be fair, for a complex package like PHP, rebuilding a different series package probably isn't something someone who hasn't previously worked with Debian packaging wants to confront
[15:09] <Patrickdk> so probably php base, and 2-3 other packages
[15:09] <Patrickdk> maxb, why?
[15:09] <Patrickdk> rebuilding php is extreemly simple
[15:09] <teward> Patrickdk: apache might hate it
[15:10] <Patrickdk> teward it shouldn't at all
[15:10] <Patrickdk> can't think of a single thing apache would hate about it
[15:10] <teward> Patrickdk: you'd still need to apt-pin the version down - otherwise it'll just overwrite again
[15:10] <teward> rebuilding also requires a build environment for it
[15:10] <Patrickdk> no
[15:11] <Patrickdk> for version, just add a 1: infront of the version, done
[15:11] <Patrickdk> or pin it, but that can be annoying
[15:11] <teward> rebuilding it as should be done needs the build environment unless you want to install all the build dependencies
[15:11] <Patrickdk> rebuilt it in a ppa
[15:11] <Patrickdk> no build env needed
[15:11] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  teward  what do you both mean by "rebuild" and what involvment would the repos have in it?
[15:11] <teward> Patrickdk: there's probably a reason the person who had the php oldstable PPA stopped after 13.10
[15:12] <teward> i could ask, but i wonder if it's because build deps might be to 'new' or such
[15:12] <Patrickdk> I don't know, could look
[15:12] <Patrickdk> personally I build my own apache and php's
[15:12] <teward> ran into the problem for the znc package, in a PPA, as well, older than 14.04 you have to go grab additional PPAs for g++, have to backport things, etc.
[15:12] <Patrickdk> been a requirement for years
[15:12] <teward> but the reverse can be true also, build deps drop things that're needed, problems arise, etc.
[15:14] <Patrickdk> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[15:14] <Patrickdk> best overview url I can locate :(
[15:14] <Patrickdk> but that is more about uploading
[15:14] <Patrickdk> not really rebuilding
[15:14] <teward> Patrickdk: needs a launchpad account, PGP keys uploaded, etc.  -  not for the faint of heart either
[15:14] <Patrickdk> seems most people just post how to rebuild locally
[15:14] <Patrickdk> heh, that isn't hard
[15:15] <Patrickdk> and it makes distribution so much easier
[15:15] <Patrickdk> and updating
[15:15] <Patrickdk> vs attempting to make your own local repo
[15:15] <teward> Patrickdk: didn't say squat about local repo xD
[15:22] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  teward  what do you both mean by "rebuild" and what involvment would the repos have in it?
[15:24] <tarvid> installing 14.04 on a dell r410 with one 160 gb drive and two 500s. Can install first on the 160 as LVM and then add the 500s?
[15:24] <tarvid> make thar r310
[15:25] <Walex> tarvid: why not?
[15:25] <Voyage> what will this do sudo sed -i.bak "s/trusty/precise/g" /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[15:25] <tarvid> the two 500s are now set up (maybe0 with ESXi, can I just blow those away
[15:26] <Patrickdk> Voyage, that will cause LOTS of breakage
[15:26] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  hm. but what would this do ?
[15:27] <Patrickdk> hopefully? nothing, except not let you update/security patch/...
[15:27] <Patrickdk> it will attempt to download/install from 12.04 instead of 14.04
[15:28] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  you mean, it will change repositories to old ones?
[15:28] <teward> Voyage: lots and lots of damage, it'd set your sources to use Precise instead of Trusty and break a ton of things
[15:29] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  how about I use sudo sed -i.bak "s/trusty/precise/g" /etc/apt/sources.list , install php 5.4 old version, lock it, and then change to new repositories?
[15:29] <Voyage> teward,  ^
[15:30] <Patrickdk> why do all that?
[15:30] <Patrickdk> why not just INSTALL 12.04
[15:30] <Patrickdk> since your doing the same thing, but making it much much more broken that way
[15:31] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  ya, but I already have a server assembled with latest ubuntu
[15:31] <Voyage> ubuntu should provide a way.........
[15:32] <Patrickdk> it does provide a way
[15:32] <Patrickdk> you can download it, rebuild it, and distribute it
[15:32] <Patrickdk> ubuntu does will not support it, so there is no point in them doing it
[15:32] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  ok. when you say "download it" do you mean downloading a .deb package and installing it???
[15:33] <Patrickdk> no
[15:33] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  then?
[15:34] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  what do you meant? download what?
[15:34] <Voyage> rebuild what?
[15:36] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  teward  come one people, whats so hard about it? what do you guys actually mean. I am having trouble understanding the terminology here. What is it suggested to be downloaded? if its not a .deb. what is it?
[15:36] <Voyage> a .gz.tar?
[15:36] <Voyage> are you guys talking about compiling it from source?
[15:38] <maxb> Effectively, yes.
[15:40] <maxb> "ubuntu should provide a way" you say - well, it'd be more convenient for you, sure, but maintaining multiple versions of software increases the burden of support on Ubuntu quite significantly
[15:41] <maxb> It's easy to see why it's not considered an efficient use of developer and tester time
[15:43] <Patrickdk> this *is* something rhel does
[15:43] <Patrickdk> though, only lately
[15:44] <Voyage> maxb,  hm
[15:44] <Voyage> ok. I tried this: is it a good way despite error? I tried this but its not working. echo "deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list                    Err http://php53.dotdeb.org stable/all i386 Packages              W: Failed to fetch copy:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/php53.dotdeb.org_dists_stable_all_binary-amd64_Packages  Invalid file format
[15:46] <Voyage>  why doesnt this works? echo "deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:47] <maxb> You appear to now be using some site's pre-built packages of a different PHP version. The fact that what you've said includes 'stable' rather than any Ubuntu codename strongly suggests you're trying to use something targetting Debian on your Ubuntu system. If it works at all, it'll be more by luck than intention
[15:48] <Voyage> maxb,  hm. ok is there ANY way to install / php 5.4 by a repository and lock the upgrade?
[15:49] <maxb> No, unless you find someone who is specifically building such a repository.
[15:51] <Voyage> so  http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all wont work. and what about pool?  http://snapshot.debian.org/package/php5/5.4.39-0%2Bdeb7u2/
[15:52] <Voyage> max?
[15:52] <maxb> Now you're just randomly grasping at irrelevant links you happen to find
[15:53] <Voyage> because I cant find a usefull one
[15:54] <Voyage> maxb,  I really wonder what does the "rebuilding" means when Patrickdk  and teward  say it but do not explain it
[15:54] <maxb> The notion of compiling software?
[15:55] <Voyage> from source?
[15:55] <Voyage> like in a gz.tar?
[15:55] <Voyage> maxb,  thats what Patrickdk  and teward  dont tell..........
[15:57] <maxb> Well, yes, from what else would you build software? That's (by us) assumed to be not worth mentioning.
[15:58] <Voyage> why I am getting the error? sudo deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20150329T213024Z/       sudo: deb: command not found
[15:58] <maxb> Sorry, it looks like you're looking for something (namely, pre-built packages of a specific version of PHP matched to a specific version of Ubuntu) that doesn't seem to exist because no-one has made that
[15:59] <Voyage> maxb,  hm. so if I installed php 5.4 by dpkg -i .deb or build it from source, I would not have the advantage to manage related modules / integration by repository and apt-get?
[16:00] <maxb> You're getting that error because you typed some meaningless string into a shell
[16:00] <maxb> With sudo at the start, no less. You probably want to be a bit more careful about what you run as root
[16:01] <maxb> Right, you don't get the advantages of a supported repository of integrated software if no supported repository of integrated software exists for the combinations of versions you want to use
[16:01] <Voyage> hm
[16:02] <Voyage> maxb,  I followed http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17128602/apt-get-identify-all-old-version-numbers-of-a-package           answer 1. I wonder what should be replaced for     "deb http:// ......"
[16:07] <Voyage> this is the correct sudo echo "deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20150329T213024Z/ stable all" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:08] <maxb> No, in so many ways
[16:08] <Voyage> ..
[16:08] <Voyage> it just adds the repo. doesnt it
[16:09] <Voyage> to sources.list
[16:11] <maxb> So the first thing which is wrong with it is you're trying to add a Debian package source to an Ubuntu system - which, granted, is something that *might* work *sometimes*, but really if you're resorting to that you should just build from source rather than just hoping for compatibility
[16:12] <maxb> The second thing that is wrong is 'sudo echo' -- why would you bother sudo-ing a command that doesn't require any kind of elevated privileges?
[16:13] <maxb> The third thing which is wrong is that you're trying to use snapshots of the Debian stable release, which is pretty much static anyway, so makes no sense
[16:14] <Voyage> hm
[16:15] <Voyage> maxb,  i guess to write inside /etc   would require a root
[16:15] <maxb> In the interests of trying to work this conversation around to a more productive direction, let me summarize: You really want something pre-made. But you've searched for some time and it doesn't seem to exist. It's probably best to accept that and reconsider your direction.
[16:16] <maxb> Yes but that command isn't writing inside /etc -  which you seem to have partially recognized since you do have the actually relevant sudo before tee
[16:18] <maxb> As far as I can see your options are basically: 1) Use the PHP 5.5 that ships with current Ubuntu releases, or 2) Compile PHP 5.4 from source
[16:18] <Voyage> hmm
[16:20] <Voyage> maxb,  the only thing I get afraid is if I install php5.4 by source. many modules like sudo apt-get install php-curl or others  that integrate with apache auto matically will be a big headache for me
[16:20] <Voyage> maxb,  am I correct?
[16:20] <Voyage> as a side error: W: Failed to fetch http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20150329T213024Z/dists/stable/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'all/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[16:21] <maxb> You won't be able to install modules with apt-get to work with a PHP built from source
[16:24] <maxb> Though many modules are shipped as part of the main PHP source tarball, and will build with it if the relevant library dev packages are available.
[16:24] <maxb> Some may need additional flags passed to PHP's configure script to enable
[16:26] <Voyage> maxb,  thats the headache
[16:26] <Voyage> maxb,  ok. which ubuntu version ships with php 5.4/
[16:26] <Voyage> ?
[16:26] <maxb> None which are currently still supported
[16:27] <Voyage> 12.  something?
[16:28] <Patrickdk> 12.04 is 5.3
[16:29] <Voyage> whats for 5.4?
[16:29] <maxb> Some releases between 12.04 and 14.04 shipped with 5.4, however all such releases have passed their End of Life
[16:31] <Voyage> maxb,  its 13 then?
[16:32] <Voyage> maxb,  i see amazon has 64-bit ubuntu/images/ebs/ubuntu-quantal-12.10-amd64-server-20140202 - ami-006a0930        option to launch instance
[16:35] <Patrickdk> that would be unwise
[16:36] <maxb> I'm quite deliberately not saying the exact version number because I can't consider deploying something afresh on an OS version that has already reached EOL to be a sensible move
[16:36] <Voyage> unwise? why? because its old?
[16:36] <Patrickdk> cause it is NOT MAINTAINED
[16:36] <Patrickdk> you will NEVER get securty updates for it
[16:36] <Patrickdk> it already has known vulnerabilities
[16:36] <Voyage> hm
[16:37] <Voyage> so best solution is to compile by source or dpkg -i deb php.5.4
[16:37] <Voyage> Iam going for the later
[16:37] <Voyage> I never compiled anything fromsource
[16:37] <Voyage> atleast a deb would be installed auto on default locations
[16:37] <Voyage> I guess centos maintins versions
[16:38] <Patrickdk> centos doesn't maintain anything
[16:38] <Patrickdk> that is the whole point of centos
[16:39] <Voyage> who does ?
[16:39] <maxb> CentOS is an exercise in de-branding and rebuilding mostly unmodified source from RHEL
[16:41] <Voyage> maxb,  am. this resulted in a promising message; add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php5
[16:45] <Voyage> hm
[16:54] <Voyage> ah. no use. my apt policy is still the same
[16:54] <Voyage> having 5.9
[16:54] <Voyage> going for db
[16:54] <Voyage> deb
[16:57] <teward> Voyage: php 5.4 is in his oldstable ppa
[16:57] <teward> Voyage: but that isn't updated past 13.10
[16:57] <teward> read: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php5-oldstable
[16:58] <teward> Voyage: 12.10 had 5.4, but it's not supported.  12.04 + ondrej's php5-oldstable PPA would give you 5.4
[16:58] <teward> but no guarantees on it having everything you need
[16:58] <teward> I remember 12.10 getting 5.4, 'cause one of my patches made it into Debian's packaging to switch php5-fpm from a TCP listener to a linux socket
[16:58] <teward> s/linux socket/unix socket/
[16:59] <Voyage> teward,  i see
[16:59] <Patrickdk> I just normally change it to socket myself
[16:59] <Patrickdk> nice the default is that way though
[16:59] <teward> Patrickdk: indeed, it changed with 5.4rc1 iirc
[16:59]  * teward pulls the Debian changelog
[17:00] <Patrickdk> this php 5.5 issue is the ONLY reason I haven't upgraded customer facing machines to 14.04 yet
[17:00] <Patrickdk> but that isn't so much a ubuntu issue, as it is zend/php
[17:00] <Voyage> so whats the easiest way to install and maintain 5.4? where to download. source or .deb? where from"?
[17:01] <teward> Patrickdk: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650204 is the bug where it was changed.  Thanks to Clint Byrum (SpamapS) for helping get that patch up to debian back when I wasn't as fluent as I am now xD
[17:01] <teward> s/bug/php5-fpm listener/
[17:01] <teward> Patrickdk: i don't know if they've reversed it... but i could check xD
[17:02] <Patrickdk> oh nice, zend JUST released support for php 5.5 a few days ago
[17:02] <Patrickdk> that only took 2+ years
[17:03] <teward> wow my vivid vm is outdated o.o
[17:03] <teward> oh well
[17:04] <teward> Patrickdk: yep, php5-fpm still listens on a socket by default :P
[17:05] <Voyage> can anyone tell where to download (I just want to do it wrong experiments)
[17:06] <Patrickdk> and it looks like it has backlog support now
[17:06] <Patrickdk> Voyage, there is none
[17:06] <Patrickdk> you have to create it yourself
[17:06] <Patrickdk> no one yes has cared enough, to attempt it
[17:06] <Patrickdk> or maybe have, but gave up
[17:07] <teward> I may be willing to try and grab Quantal's package and repackage for trusty in a PPA, but I won't go past one attempt
[17:07] <teward> i'm lazy after all xD
[17:07] <Patrickdk> tried, the configure script is horrible
[17:07] <teward> quantal was the last version to support 5.4 anyways
[17:07] <Patrickdk> 5.4 configure might be better
[17:08] <teward> Patrickdk: um... i meant the actual 5.4 package
[17:08] <teward> that was in quantal, try and forward port it
[17:08] <teward> xD
[17:08] <Patrickdk> but there have been new security patches CVE's that need to be ported to it
[17:09] <teward> blah
[17:09] <teward> i hate 5.4
[17:09] <teward> why can't app devs actually update their things
[17:09] <teward> Patrickdk: i could just pull 5.4.39 from upstream
[17:10] <Patrickdk> yep
[17:10] <teward> try and wrap the 5.4 debian/ around it from quantal
[17:10] <teward> but still
[17:13] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  no I mean, how to install php 5.4 from source? what you call rebuild
[17:14] <Patrickdk> those are two totally different things
[17:14] <Patrickdk> install from source, just follow php's instructions
[17:14] <Voyage> Patrickdk,  which link?
[17:14] <Patrickdk> php.net
[17:16] <teward> Patrickdk: and I give up - there's too much of a delta
[17:17] <teward> (half the patches fail
[17:17] <Patrickdk> :)
[17:18] <teward> could try ondrej's source but i'm lazy as i said earlier
[17:19] <teward> ooo wait there's build fails there that's why
[17:19] <teward> nevermind
[19:16] <Voyage> I just installed php by source. apache is not displaying my .php files (its showing blank pages ) what can be wrong?     apache does not knows if php is isntalled.I gues
[19:17] <replman> Hi! I have a cronjob that executes a backup script as user 'backupchef'. In backupchef's home/.ssh i have id_rsa.pub for ssh. When executing the script manually logged in as backupchef, it works. When cron executes the script i get a password failed from the ssh.
[19:21] <bekks> Voyage: You downgraded your php5 installation manually, as OerHeks just told in #ubuntu?
[19:21] <Voyage> ya.
[19:21] <Voyage> I have php 5.4
[19:21] <Voyage> but it should run
[19:21] <Voyage> as it is a php...
[19:21] <bekks> LOL, no :)
[19:21] <Voyage> its just not installed by a repository
[19:22] <Voyage> thats the only difference
[19:22] <Voyage> right?
[19:22] <Voyage> or no?
[19:22] <bekks> As it is PHP, it is more a matter of star constellation, water temperature and some voodoo.
[19:22] <bekks> In #ubuntu you just made sure that /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so is missing.
[19:29] <Voyage> bekks,  so what do I need to do?
[19:30] <bekks> Looks like you need to build the missing modules as well.
[19:30] <bekks> Cant you just use a more recent php version from the repos?
[19:34] <Voyage> nop
[19:34] <Voyage> bekks,  which modules? modules on apache side or php side?
[19:35] <bekks> Voyage: You are missing the php module for apache.
[19:35] <Voyage> hm
[19:37] <Voyage> ok  how to uninstall php that I installed by source?
[19:37] <bekks> Please keep it in one channel :)
[19:37] <Voyage> ok
[19:37] <Voyage> isnt it the same channel?
[19:38] <Voyage> oh. yes. messages dont pass
[19:38] <Voyage> rigth
[19:38] <bekks> No. This is #ubuntu-server, while you are in #ubuntu, too :)
[19:38] <Voyage> ops
[19:39] <replman> ok, got my script to work with cron.
[19:51] <r0x> Hi. I'm configuring a server and for some reason I want that a certain user can only view a particular folder and that can execute only a set of program/commands (e.g.: I don't want that user X can execute ifconfig, ip, ps and even ping). How I can do that?
[19:51] <r0x> I have already asked to #ubuntu channel
[19:52] <bekks> r0x: The answers are the same as in #ubuntu ;)
[19:54] <r0x> ok, but after I do chroot a certain user can still execute all the commands available on my system?
[19:54] <r0x> such trying to ping other hosts on the network
[19:57] <r0x> bekks: he can execute only the commands that are available in the bin folder that I create in the chroot environment?
[19:57] <bekks> Thats what a chroot is for.
[19:58] <bekks> But you cannot hid /proc and /sys from the user. Your chroot will be dysfunctional.
[19:58] <r0x> uhm
[19:58] <r0x> so i should create a vm?
[19:58] <JanC> you could use containers to get even more protection
[19:59] <JanC> without needing a VM
[19:59] <bekks> r0x: A VM will not help you from hiding /proc and /system.
[19:59] <bekks> And containers dont, too.
[19:59] <r0x> ok, but if someone see /proc and /system of the vm I don't care
[19:59] <r0x> I only want to hide the configuration of the real machine
[20:00] <r0x> JanC: with containers I can do what I asked for?
[20:01] <JanC> also, to prevent people from executing certain applications, you only need to set/revoke permissions?
[20:08] <r0x> JanC: I don't understood when you said "you only need to set/revoke permission?"
[20:20] <JanC> r0x: you can set different permissions depending on the user?
[20:20] <JanC> or group
[20:20] <r0x> no
[20:20] <JanC> etc.
[20:20] <r0x> Same for all
[20:20] <JanC> ?
[20:21] <r0x> I don't need that kind of flexibility
[20:21] <JanC> eh?
[20:21] <JanC> you were asking for it...
[20:22] <r0x> I just have a set of users that have the same permission
[20:22] <JanC> that sounds like a "group"
[20:22] <r0x> Yes
[20:23] <JanC> so use it
[20:24] <r0x> I found this on the internet: https://openvz.org/Main_Page
[20:24] <bekks> r0x: Seeing /proc and /sys will enable users to find out a lot about the effective configuration of the host.
[20:24] <bekks> r0x: openvz are containers - and they still reveal a lot about the configuration of the host.


[05:27] <pitti> kees: thanks for adding me back
[05:27] <pitti> good morning
[05:34] <elmo> 0
[06:33] <cpatrick08> i think oneiric will be better than natty even in this very early stage of development it is better than natty
[06:49] <cpatrick08> is there any way to get the gnome-shell on oneiric
[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[08:00] <mdke> does anyone have an idea what might be causing bug 788949. I've seen a couple of them for ubuntu-docs but have no idea what the dpkg error message means
[08:08] <geser> mdke: looks like the harddisk is dying if I read the dmesg correctly
[08:10] <mdke> geser: aha, what do I look for in there? I have a couple of other similar bugs that I need to check too
[08:12] <geser> mdke: see the lines with "sd 0:0:0:0" and "ata1.00" at the end of dmesg.txt where the kernel logs it unsuccessfull attempts to write something to the harddisk
[08:13] <mdke> geser: that's great, thanks a lot for the help
[08:30] <DktrKranz> mvo: hi! I checked your branch yesterday, it looks good. I also tested it with a GNOME3 box, and worked fine
[08:36] <mvo> DktrKranz: awsome, thanks a lot, sounds like a candidate for uploading then :) what is the state of the gir stuff in debian? is it in unstable yet or would this be experimental?
[08:37] <DktrKranz> mvo: still experimental, there are some pieces still to be fixed, and release team to assign a spot to schedule transitions
[08:38] <DktrKranz> probably, it won't happen before 3.2
[08:39] <DktrKranz> some pieces are in unstable, but at least not vte. so experimental is the only way right now
[08:45] <Laney> broder: No, I didn't. But it looked OK to me (since there are no rdepends and the reporter says he test it runs)
[08:45] <Laney> tested
[08:46] <mvo> DktrKranz: ok, thanks. that should be fine, I guess its best to push it in ubuntu first then so that it gets wider testing (but I feel its pretty solid)
[08:56] <micahg> good morning pitti, would you be able to pocket copy chromium from -proposed to -security/-updates for lucid-natty, bug 787846
[08:59] <pitti> micahg: yes, can do
[08:59] <cjwatson> mdke: I've no idea why we still file bugs for "Input/output error" - it's defined to mean physical read/write errors, i.e. almost exclusively not software bugs
[08:59] <micahg> pitti: thanks
[09:00] <DktrKranz> mvo: sounds good. we could also asking for testing via planet debian, I see it attracts more people
[09:00] <cjwatson> I assume it's simply because at the apport level it's awkward to figure out reliably which errno was involved, e.g. due to translations
[09:03] <pitti> micahg: all done
[09:03] <micahg> pitti: great, thanks, have a good day
[10:03] <zaytsev> hi! does anyone know of the top of their head, how the livecd decides if it will autologin in casper or show the dialog "install or try ubuntu blah-blah-blah"?
[10:04] <cjwatson> zaytsev: the 'maybe-ubiquity' boot parameter causes the latter to happen
[10:04] <zaytsev> I am trying to remaster the official natty livecd as per LiveCDCustomization wiki page and everything was fine, but now I updated the packages in the chroot and somehow the resulting image autologins without showing this standard window
[10:05] <zaytsev> cjwatson, oh, thanks! it means that somehow I unknowingly changed the boot options :-/
[10:07] <cjwatson> zaytsev: our gfxboot theme adds 'maybe-ubiquity' if it's booting in splash mode, which happens if 'hidden-timeout=1' is in /isolinux/gfxboot.cfg
[10:07] <cjwatson> it's a bit convoluted, I'm afraid
[10:08] <infinity> Just a tad...
[10:08] <infinity> I know how it works, and that still confused me. :P
[10:08] <cjwatson> it confuses me and I wrote it
[10:08] <zaytsev> oh right, so I have hidden-timeout=2 in gfxboot.cfg, I didn't change it though. It was like this in the official media.
[10:09] <cjwatson> =2 should be fine too
[10:09] <StevenK> infinity: What's wrong with Canadian lamb? :-)
[10:09] <infinity> StevenK: A general lack thereof.
[10:09] <infinity> StevenK: Canadian ranchers are silly and keep letting them grow up.
[10:09] <infinity> StevenK: And mutton is crap.
[10:09] <cjwatson> zaytsev: also I don't think it will take you into the try/install dialog if you press a key at the CD boot splash screen to get the boot menu
[10:13] <zaytsev> nah, I didn't press a key and still it autologins :-/ I am trying to boot my kvm test vm off the official media and it shows the prompt. when I do the same with my remastered one it doesn't. and now that I sort the files by date the only thing that really changed is the chroot which I updated with the latest packages from natty-updates. what a looser...
[10:14] <cjwatson> zaytsev: you could just hardcode maybe-ubiquity into the kernel parameters
[10:14] <cjwatson> (kind of wrong, but whatever)
[10:15] <fta> doko_, hi, here are my ld-gold results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613663/
[10:16] <fta> doko_, i wonder if it has to do with the PIE hardening
[10:16] <doko_> fta: ok. please cc kees on hardening issues too
[10:22] <apw> ev, are you aware that usb-creator-gtk is now triggering 4-5 "not permitted by policy" popups per install ?
[10:23] <zaytsev> cjwatson, so I should add maybe-ubiquity to the first (default) boot option in /boot/grub/loopback.cfg ? and how to reliably achieve the opposite effect, is there something like no-ubiquity ?
[10:23] <zaytsev> the thing that bugs me here is that I updated the chroot and now it autologins. tomorrow I will do this again and it will show ubiquity instead. I would kind of like a defined behavior.
[10:25] <ev> apw: yeah, it was to fix a security issue.  I plan to dig into making it less of a pain in the ass a bit later in the cycle
[10:25] <apw> ev, eek
[10:27] <cjwatson> zaytsev: wait, you're using grub to boot this?
[10:28] <zaytsev> cjwatson, I have no idea :-) I have downloaded the original image and use whatever it uses. then I found an article on Ubuntu wiki how to unsquashfs the filesystem and make your customizations (install/update packages). then I remastered the image again using the updated chroot
[10:29] <zaytsev> also, the difference is that when the image that boots to ubiquity starts, it changes purple background to black and yellow letters and when it autologins directly it stays purple
[10:30] <cjwatson> zaytsev: /isolinux/isolinux.cfg, then
[10:30] <cjwatson> zaytsev: if I were you, rather than just comparing file lists, I would loop-mount the old and new images and use 'diff -ru' to compare them
[10:30] <cjwatson> one of the changes listed by that will be responsible
[10:31] <zaytsev> cjwatson, in isolinux.cfg I would just add a line that says maybe-ubiquity ?
[10:31] <infinity> diff -ruN even, could be a new file poviding an override to something.
[10:31] <zaytsev> cjwatson, ok, reasonable I will do that. thanks.
[10:33] <cjwatson> zaytsev: sorry, I meant /isolinux/txt.cfg.  change the 'append' line corresponding to the relevant menu label.  (but analyse the image with diff first; this is just a fallback option for if you can't find what changed.)
[10:34] <private_> I am looking for a programmer to hire to clean up some code
[10:37] <zaytsev> hmm, manifests are different (updated packages), filesystem size, filesystem AND /isolinux/isolinux.bin has a different checksum. weird.
[10:40] <zaytsev> and compared to the original image, there are even more differences. I wonder it it's rsync's fault, maybe I called it with the wrong flags. ok, will try to figure after lunch
[10:42] <zaytsev> actually, it seems that the md5sum generation command is wrong
[10:43] <zaytsev> find -type f -print0 | sudo xargs -0 md5sum | grep -v isolinux/boot.cat | sudo tee md5sum.txt <--- should be grep -v isolinux, because the original md5sum doesn't include any of the isolinux stuff.
[10:44] <zaytsev> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[10:45]  * doko_ looks away from NBS
[10:52] <jibel> pitti, are these files useful on the ISO ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/613655/
[10:52] <jibel> pitti, The raw size is 25MB but that would save something like 3 to 4MB of CD space
[10:52] <pitti> jibel: apt lists are, I think
[10:52] <pitti> 4.3M 2011-05-27 10:22 srcpkgcache.bin
[10:53] <pitti> that's something I keep asking mvo about
[10:53] <pitti> we just ditched it in a project, and it doesn't seem to be very useful
[10:53] <pitti> but I keep forgetting why we need it
[10:53] <jibel> *bin files are regenerated on first run of apt
[10:54] <pitti> right, we could remove it from the CD certainly
[10:54] <pitti> and I think the dpkg -old files can certainly go
[10:55] <pitti> jibel: thanks for pointing these out!
[10:55] <jibel> and apt list files are regenerated on first run of apt-get update.
[10:55] <pitti> these are pretty much "nice to have", if you do an apt-get install etc.
[10:55] <pitti> in the live system
[10:56] <didrocks> maybe we can run an apt-get update as soon as internet is available?
[10:56] <didrocks> on the live/ubiquity
[10:56] <didrocks> (well s/internet/any network/)
[10:57] <jibel> if you don't have an internet access you only need cd rom list, if you have one we can run an update at some point
[10:57] <pitti> right
[10:58] <geser> hmm, if available-old is 1.3M, I guess available is around the same size. What was the purpose of available again?
[10:58] <jibel> and since the update timestamp on the CD is far behind the time the user actually uses the CD, update-manager will propose to run a check anyway
[10:58] <cjwatson> jibel: that's already going away with live-build
[10:58] <cjwatson> (pkgcache.bin etc.)
[10:58] <cjwatson> no point analysing the current CD
[10:58] <cjwatson> the -old files go away with live-build too
[10:59] <pitti> nice
[10:59] <jibel> cjwatson, oh cool, not analyzing the CD, just playing with the freshly backed isos, and found this.
[11:05] <superm1> cjwatson, there's a plan to switch to live-build for this cycle?
[11:06] <cjwatson> yes
[11:07] <cjwatson> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-o-live-build
[11:07] <ohsix> is live build cooler than casper and sealing up your own images
[11:07] <cjwatson> live-build and casper are apples and oranges
[11:07] <ohsix> ok
[11:08] <ohsix> last time i looked it was casper, dunno what's on live images now
[11:08] <superm1> ah v. good thanks.
[11:08] <cjwatson> ohsix: casper stays where it is.  live-build replaces livecd-rootfs.
[11:08] <ohsix> i see
[11:09] <cjwatson> as would be clear if you'd looked at my URL
[11:10] <ohsix> did
[11:10] <ohsix> no idea what role that stuff plays, going to read about livecd-rootfs
[12:36] <zaytsev> cjwatson, Binary files image-orig/isolinux/boot.cat and image-new/isolinux/boot.cat differ, Binary files image-orig/isolinux/isolinux.bin and image-new/isolinux/isolinux.bin differ, is that normal when re-generating the ISO file?
[12:37] <zaytsev> I checked up on isolinux.bin and it shows one bit flipped: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613701/
[12:37] <zaytsev> are these cosmic rays or what?
[12:38] <cjwatson> I think it probably depends on your installed syslinux(-common) packages
[12:39] <zaytsev> oh, I'm on maverick, and re-generating image from natty, but I'm just using mkisofs, I don't even have syslinux installed. I'm not doing the bootstrapping from scratch
[12:42] <zaytsev> and also same 82 -> 83 byte flipped in boot.cat
[12:43] <cjwatson> I don't know if that's relevant, anyway
[12:43] <cjwatson> it may just be because the rest of the ISO is different and so mkisofs needs to fiddle with the catalog
[12:43] <zaytsev> I think it's mkisofs, because the file has the modification date is when I ran it
[12:45] <cjwatson> I doubt it's relevant to your problem
[12:49] <zaytsev> well, all the other changes that diff picked up are in package lists (updated packages) and squashfs file system
[12:50] <zaytsev> so it can only be the file system, but that's a bit big to diff :-(
[12:58] <zaytsev> ok, I added append  file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash maybe-ubiquity -- to live
[12:58] <zaytsev> it still logins directly
[12:59] <cjwatson> are you sure you still have ubiquity in your squashfs?
[12:59] <cjwatson> (at this point, I would loop-mount the squashfses and diff them, particularly /etc)
[12:59] <zaytsev> and when I press esc on boot it shows my modified commandline. so this is fine.
[13:00] <zaytsev> no I am not sure, although I didn't remove it. will do as you say. thanks.
[13:03] <zaytsev> diff -Naur on etc only revealed differences in fs-old/etc/ld.so.cache fs-new/etc/ld.so.cache... hmmm. will do whole fs.
[13:09] <zaytsev> hopeless, there was a libreoffice upgrade, so the diff is polluted by 200 mb of binary files :-(
[13:09] <mdeslaur> @pilot in
[13:14] <zaytsev> here are the updated packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613720/ ... I don't see anything dangerous in here.
[13:15] <zaytsev> could it have to do with motd? I changed the motd.
[13:18] <cjwatson> no ...
[13:19] <zaytsev> is there like a way to debug stuff?
[13:20] <zaytsev> I now see it's being launched by upstart
[13:20] <zaytsev> the file /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm is in place
[13:21] <zaytsev> ok, I have an idea of what could have gone wrong
[13:22] <zaytsev> maybe it's initctl, there was an advice to add a diversion on the wiki, maybe I screwed it up
[13:22] <cjwatson> you'd certainly need to undivert that at the end of the build
[13:23] <zaytsev> I'VE GOT IT~!, it's initctl. somehow in the new image it doesn'
[13:23] <zaytsev> exist anymore at all. maybe I ran some command twice
[13:23] <zaytsev> many thanks for all your help
[13:23] <zaytsev> I learned a lot
[13:24] <cjwatson> glad you got it sorted
[13:55] <fta> doko_, I tried ld.gold on natty without PIE, it still crashes.
[13:56] <tkamppeter> Any UDEV expert around?  You can try "sudo hp-plugin" manually and then see what you get in /etc/udev/rules.d/.
[13:58] <pitti> er,what?
[13:59] <pitti> an udev rule calls sudo?
[13:59] <pitti> no, I don't think I'll run a program like that
[13:59] <tkamppeter> pitti, probably the rule does it without sudo.
[13:59] <tkamppeter> pitti, the rule simply runs hp-plugin.
[14:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, now I check whether the newly installed rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules actually load the firmware into the printer.
[14:01] <pitti> hm, I only see /lib/udev/rules.d/56-hpmud_support.rules
[14:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: how does the file get there?
[14:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, these rules get installed if you run hp-plugin.
[14:01] <pitti> so we have an udev rule which calls hp-plugin which installs udev rules into /etc/?
[14:02] <tkamppeter> pitti, so run "sudo hp-plugin" on a console and you get the files.
[14:02] <tkamppeter> pitti, they get into /etc because HP does it this way.
[14:02] <pitti> can we please kill hp-plugin?
[14:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, and how do we support these printers then?
[14:03] <pitti> and perhaps just ship the sensible part of their rules directly in hplip, in /lib/udev/rules.d/
[14:03] <pitti> ?
[14:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, we must support rules in /etc, to support third-party software.
[14:03] <pitti> yes, but hplip is not a third-party software, it's an Ubuntu package
[14:04] <cjwatson> having udev rules themselves go around installing udev rules is a different matter, though!
[14:04] <pitti> which aren't supposed to install rules into /etc/udev/rules.d
[14:04] <pitti> and as such it shoudn't do crazy things like that
[14:04] <pitti> right, what cjwatson says
[14:04] <tkamppeter> pitti, but the proprietary driver plugin of HPLIP is a third-party software, as it gets installed separately.
[14:05] <pitti> tkamppeter: how is that related to the initial rules?
[14:05] <tkamppeter> pitti, the initial rules which we ship in /lib are 100% OK.
[14:05] <pitti> tkamppeter: what are the rules that hp-plugin installs doing?
[14:06] <tkamppeter> pitti, the rules which get installed by HP's proprietary plugin are doing the auto-upload of firmware into HP's cheapo lasers.
[14:08] <tkamppeter> pitti, the problem which I am experiencing is that these rules get executed once (the first time when I power-cycle the printer) and after that the rules file (only the one for my printer) gets removed.
[14:09] <geser> who removes them?
[14:09] <tkamppeter> geser, pitti, I do not know.
[14:10] <geser> hopefully not the script doing the firmware upload
[14:10] <pitti> can we stilll kill hp-plugin, or the part of it that does the crazy rules install?
[14:11] <cjwatson> nothing in the standard distribution should be removing files in /etc/udev/rules.d/.  However, given that you already have a crazy thing automatically installing rules into /etc/udev/rules.d/ (rather than using a single static rule which uses IMPORT or something to import properties from a program), all bets are off
[14:12] <pitti> tkamppeter: so, to get back to your original question, we certainly don't have a "standard mechanism" to remove any files from /etc, as this is EBW
[14:13] <tkamppeter> geser, pitti, the script gets removed exactly after its first use. After having run "hp-plugin" and completed the wizard I wait some seconds and power-cycle the printer. The printer loads its firmware and the /etc/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules is gone. All other 86-hpmud-hp_*.rules files stay.
[14:14] <pitti> so I guess the rules that it puts into /etc/ have a builtin auto-destruct and delete themselves?
[14:15] <tkamppeter> pitti, here is the rules file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613748/
[14:16] <pitti> so, apart from them using an outdated syntax, it seems that /usr/bin/hp-firmware removes them?
[14:20] <tkamppeter> pitti, /usr/bin/hp-firmware is a Python program and I do not find anything in it which deletes the UDEV rule.
[14:23] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have copied 86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules into /lib/udev/rules.d/ now and there it survives. I can do as many power-cycles as I want and the file survives and every time the firmware gets uploaded.
[14:26] <tkamppeter> pitti, is there a way to find out which program has deleted a file?
[14:28] <hallyn_afk> seriously, people, "Development is completed for the 'natty' version of Ubuntu, so you should use technical support channels unless you know for certain it should be reported here?' is not a question
[14:29] <Laney> what?
[14:32] <hallyn> kirkland: thanks for the quick byobu (uh, screen) fix :)  now lemme see if i can reliably reproduce it before upgrading
[14:33] <tkamppeter> pitti, still there?
[14:44] <pitti> tkamppeter: not retroactively; you could grep your entire file system for files which contain the name, though
[14:52] <geser> tkamppeter: try setting the rules file in /etc to immutable and check if something complains that it couldn't remove it
[14:52] <pitti> I thought nothing would remove it again?
[14:52] <pitti> and this is entirely after-the-fact debugging?
[14:53] <tkamppeter> geser, how does one set /etc/ to immutable?
[14:54] <geser> tkamppeter: not the whole directory but only /etc/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules
[14:54] <geser> sudo chattr +i /etc/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules (as long as the file exists)
[14:58] <tkamppeter> geser, the "chattr +i" actually protects the file, but I did not see any error. Nothing in syslog.
[14:58] <geser> hmm
[15:02] <geser> then I'm out of ideas
[15:02] <pitti> few programs actually check the result of unlink()
[15:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have also two other files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ which seem to be generated by programs from our distro: 70-persistent-cd.rules and 70-persistent-net.rules.
[15:03] <pitti> I'd go with grepping the file system for "86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules"
[15:03] <pitti> might take ages, but it's effective
[15:03] <pitti> tkamppeter: those are expected
[15:06] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have started the search now.
[15:08] <jibel> ev, can you look at bug 789152 when you have a minute or maybe that's expected at this stage of the release.
[15:08] <cjwatson> jibel: dup of bug 788859?
[15:08] <ev> almost certainly is a duplicate
[15:09] <cjwatson> ev: (are you planning to upload ubiquity today, BTW?)
[15:09] <charlie-tca> jibel: I tried yesterday from the cd menu to just get to a live desktop in VBox, and got the same screen with top and bottom panels
[15:09] <ev> cjwatson: yes
[15:09] <charlie-tca> There was no icon to install, though
[15:10] <cjwatson> excellent
[15:10] <ev> more towards EOD though, might see how well this pygi stuff works
[15:10] <ev> but probably without that merged in
[15:12] <kirkland> hallyn: its only a partial fix
[15:12] <kirkland> hallyn: but you should be okay, as long as you don't split screens
[15:12] <kirkland> hallyn: i need to cherry pick a couple of patches from git against screen to get the real fix going
[15:13] <kirkland> hallyn: but before doing that, I need a way to reproduce it ;-)
[15:16] <jibel> cjwatson, yes maybe, but I was unsure because on this report there's a mix of "try/install" doesn't start and some 3D/2D bits with "oh no" dialogs, that's a bit confusing.
[15:22] <tkamppeter> pitti, geser, I did more tests: I renamed the file to /etc/udev/rules.d/00-x.rules and did NOT make it immutable and it survives. After having done so I have created an empty file /etc/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules and after the rules which are actually in 00-x.rules being executed the file 86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules gets removed, 00-x.rules still surviving.
[15:24] <infinity> tkamppeter: Sounds like a recursive grep of doom is in your future.
[15:32] <tkamppeter> pitti, any file fitting the mask ??-hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020.rules gets removed.
[15:33] <hallyn> kirkland: yeah i can't reproduce it...  (and i dno't split screens)
[15:33] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, so extend your grep to search for "hpmud-hp_laserjet_1020"?
[15:38] <kirkland> hallyn: darn
[15:38] <hallyn> i assume a flaky connection is the key
[15:47] <pitti> cjwatson: I assume it's ok for you if I steal the gnome-python merge from you?
[15:51] <cjwatson> pitti: absolutely, I think I marked it as "feel free to take" on MoM
[15:56] <doko_> sladen: ping
[16:29] <ogra_> pitti, any idea why the WI tracker didnt pick up all specs for ubuntu-armel yet ?
[16:29] <ogra_> they should all be in approved state, targeted to oneiric and have a priority set
[16:30] <ogra_> so i dont get why http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html isnt picking them up
[16:31] <james_w> ogra_, have an example of one that isn't showing up?
[16:32] <ogra_> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-o-arm-netinstall
[16:32] <ogra_> and all the others from https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/~davidm?searchtext=o-arm
[16:33] <pitti> ogra_: it's just proposed for oneiric, not accepted
[16:33] <james_w> ogra_, "Proposed for oneiric", it needs to be accepted
[16:33] <ogra_> davidm_, ^^^
[16:34] <ogra_> davidm_, you need to accept all our specs for oneiric
[16:34] <ogra_> approving isnt enough
[16:34] <lool> Hmm language-support-en isn't in the archive anymore; are these deprecated?
[16:34] <lool> (and language-support-writing-*)
[16:34] <davidm_> ogra_, working it now
[16:34] <ogra_> davidm_, thx
[16:34] <davidm_> Sorry missed that step
[16:34] <ogra_> me too
[16:34] <pitti> lool: yes, they're gone
[16:35] <ogra_> else i would have shouted earlier :)
[16:35] <pitti> lool: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-clean-up-language-support FYI
[16:35] <lool> pitti: thanks
[16:35] <pitti> lool: we have had the split l-support-* and the dynamic check-language-support for a while, but that's a bit of a mess
[16:37] <lool> pitti: Ok; makes sense
[16:37] <lool> (more dynamic language support)
[16:39] <kirkland> pitti: finally just started using lp-project-upload :-)
[16:39] <kirkland> pitti: awesome :-)
[16:39] <pitti> kirkland: :)
[16:39] <kirkland> pitti: i have wasted too many clicks, for too long
[16:39] <kirkland> pitti: question for you...  is it possible to pass the changelog as stdin or a file argument, or something?
[16:40] <kirkland> pitti: i can easily carve that out of my debian/changelog, from the top entry
[16:40] <pitti> kirkland: hm, haven't tried that; I just :e them in vim, and then edit them a bit
[16:40] <Bagatelle> who can help me with this? A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:49810. The site says: "bookmarkable-user-auth"
[16:40] <kirkland> pitti: yeah;  i take care to maintain my debian/changelog so that it doubles as my upstream release changelog
[16:41] <Bagatelle> it seems there are problems with a port, but I dont know anything else
[16:41] <kirkland> pitti: if i patch lp-project-upload to optionally take the changelog text on STDIN, would you accept that change?
[16:41] <pitti> kirkland: of course; it's in ubuntu-dev-scripts, have at it :)
[16:41] <kirkland> pitti: ie, if there's input on STDIN, use it as the changelog text?
[16:41] <kirkland> pitti: sweet, thanks
[16:49] <pitti> kirkland: just keep in mind that there's two editors -- one for changelog, one for release notes
[16:49] <pitti> you can add options for both, and allow one to be '-'
[16:50] <kirkland> pitti: right
[16:51] <kirkland> pitti: i was wondering how to handle that
[16:51] <pitti> good night everyone, have a nice weekend!
[16:51] <kirkland> pitti: i only ever use changelog, and always leave releasenotes
[16:51] <kirkland> blank
[16:51] <pitti> kirkland: you could do --changelog --notes /dev/null or so
[16:51] <kirkland> pitti: yeah
[16:51] <pitti> or --notes ''
[16:51] <kirkland> pitti: that would work
[16:52] <kirkland> pitti: i'll get to it
[16:52] <kirkland> pitti: thanks for the awesome tool;  i feel dumb for not having used it before :-)
[16:52] <pitti> kirkland: so you'll use some dpkg-parsechangelog | sed | lp-project-upload chain?
[16:52] <pitti> kirkland: heh, one day I got so fed up with the 20 clicks you have to do, that I just wrote it
[16:52] <pitti> and since then I'm actually making more releases, as it's a lot less painful
[16:52] <kirkland> pitti: yeah, something like that
[16:53] <kirkland> pitti: currently, i'm using:
[16:53] <kirkland> grep -B 10000 -m1 '^ \-\- ' debian/changelog
[16:53] <pitti> heh, that'd work
[16:53] <kirkland> pitti: yeah, it gets me what I want
[16:53] <kirkland> pitti: see bikeshed's 'release' and 'release-build' scripts
[16:53] <kirkland> pitti: it's the two scripts I use to release and publish 20+ upstream projects and packages
[16:53] <pitti> ah, grep -B, clever
[16:54] <kirkland> pitti: i use a standard naming scheme for all my projects/packages
[16:54] <pitti> I had used sed -n '/^ --/ q; p' or so
[16:54] <kirkland> pitti: always register both the team name and the project name in LP
[16:54] <kirkland> pitti: always create a ppa
[16:54] <kirkland> pitti: and when I release, I always release backports of the package to PPA for each of the supported ubuntu releases
[16:54] <pitti> kirkland: I have "do-release" scripts, too, with that I could actually integrate the uploading as well
[16:55] <kirkland> pitti: so people can track ppa:powernap/ppa for current powernap on older ubuntu releases
[16:55] <kirkland> pitti: this is my step 1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613820/
[16:55] <kirkland> pitti: release-build ^
[16:56] <kirkland> pitti: and my step 2 is http://paste.ubuntu.com/613821/
[16:56] <kirkland> pitti: release ^
[16:56] <pitti> I bet if we throw together everyone's release scripts, everything would be fully automatic
[16:56] <pitti> well, build recipes in LP certainly went a long way towards automation
[17:04] <mdeslaur> @pilot out
[17:08] <slangasek> doko_: you comment that the rpcbind dependency is "still outstanding" for the nfs-utils merge, but there's an MIR for it?
[17:28] <cjwatson> smoser: I already had a busybox merge partly done :-(
[17:28] <cjwatson> do I have to reconcile it all now?
[17:28] <cjwatson> that's about twice as much work as just doing it (I was touched-it-last)
[17:29] <smoser> cjwatson, bah. sorry.
[17:29] <smoser> well, you can take a look at my diff. i think it is done. but if you want to pitch it, feel free.
[17:30] <smoser> sorry for not asking first.
[17:30] <smoser> take a quick look, and if it doesn't look like you think it should, then ditch it.
[17:31] <smoser> i pretyt throughally went through all the changes from debian and made sure that everything in the changelog delta list was accounted for and that nothing else really was.
[17:42] <smoser> theres a ppa build of my merge at https://launchpad.net/~smoser/+archive/ppa/+packages
[18:23] <smoser> is 'lsb-release -is' the "right way" to determine if this release is ubuntu versus if it is debian ?
[18:23] <j1mc> dpm: i'm not sure if you're the right person for this, but the openstack team just updated some of their site, and they
[18:24] <j1mc> they've done some interesting stuff on their community page: http://www.openstack.org/community/
[18:25] <j1mc> i like the 'developers in action' bit that shows real-time commits
[18:25] <j1mc> they use launchpad, so i'd be curious to know how they did that.
[18:25] <j1mc> ... just thought i would pass that along
[18:51] <ScottK> smoser: I think dpkg-vendor is preferred.
[18:52] <ScottK> That avoid a need for an lsb depends.
[18:55] <smoser> ScottK, well that comes from dpkg-dev which is 'optional' in debian
[18:55] <maco> smoser: but build-depends pulls it in
[18:55] <maco> erm i mean
[18:55] <maco> build-essential
[18:57] <smoser> yeah, in ubuntu its probably goign to be there. but my interest was in getting something into 'jigit' to take a different path if "this is ubuntu"
[19:02] <slangasek> build-essential isn't going to be pulled in on the runtime
[19:03] <slangasek> lsb_release is preferred for that - you don't even need to depend on it really, if the command is missing you can just assume Debian
[19:03] <slangasek> (since it's part of ubuntu-minimal)
[19:08] <slangasek> barry: --package-merge> duuuude
[19:08] <slangasek> when'd that get there?
[19:13] <sladen> doko_: dong
[19:16] <barry> slangasek: dunno, but i just found out about it yesterday!
[19:50] <janimo> james_w, thanks for fixing up my BPs whiteboard ! I completely forgot LP ID is to be used
[19:50] <james_w> np
[20:13] <petar> why is update-initramfs executing scripts i put into /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/* ?  i thought thats what hooks/* is for?
[20:13] <petar> (thats on 11.04)
[20:17] <slangasek> petar: you're correct, that is the difference between hooks and scripts; I haven't heard of this issue you describe
[20:19] <petar> slangasek: i have one script in scripts/init-bottom and after every update-initramfs it gets executed..  and it doesn't get executed during a subsequent boot.. i remember that feature working pretty well on 9.10
[20:20] <slangasek> a brief scan of 11.04's initramfs-tools code doesn't show me anything that explains why this would be
[20:20] <slangasek> can you trace it?
[20:21] <petar> to be honest i cant even see where this scripts stuff comes into it when reading update-initramfs
[20:22]  * slangasek nods
[20:22] <petar> there is not much sourcing either..
[20:25] <petar> i need to eat something.. will try again, when i'm back
[20:47] <NCommander> @pilot out
[20:47] <NCommander> oops
[21:23] <petar> slangasek, its called cache_run_scripts and i have no idea why mkinitramfs uses that to run my scripts on update-initramfs -u
[21:24] <petar> it seems that i could set NOEXEC but how can i set something that i dont understand in order to solve something that i dont understand either? ;)
[21:26] <slangasek> petar: oh, yes, because it's trying to query the scripts to find out what their dependencies are
[21:27] <slangasek> petar: does your script not handle the 'prereqs' option?
[21:29] <petar> hmm, no, i thought i have no prereqs so...
[21:29] <slangasek> right; but initramfs-tools still needs to call it with prereqs to find that out, so the script has to behave sensibly when this is done
[21:30] <petar> aaaa.. i see now.
[21:30] <slangasek> the only new behavior here is that we do this at update-initramfs time, to cache the order once instead of having an expensive query on every boot
[21:31] <petar> ok, i'll add that.. makes sense.
[21:31] <petar> thanks for your help!
[21:31] <slangasek> sure :
[21:31] <slangasek> )
[21:33] <petar> very good, seems to work now
[21:50] <slangasek> bdmurray: looking at bug #781874 still; is your thought that this should supersede the SRU currently in -proposed, or that that one should be published to -updates and the new one uploaded?
[22:37] <bdmurray> slangasek: is the order important?
[22:38] <slangasek> bdmurray: it impacts what -v option needs to be passed when uploading; I don't have a preference per se
[22:40] <bdmurray> slangasek: well the one in proposed has been there for quite some time now
[22:41] <slangasek> yep, apparently without verification
[22:41] <bdmurray> and without testcases
[22:42] <broder> ScottK: do you have thoughts on bug #787383? since u-d-t 0.124 introduces a versioned dependency on a current version of devscripts, dholbach's suggestion to just backport the bitsize bugfixes makes sense to me, but i'd like a second opinion
[22:43] <bdmurray> I wrote a bug pattern for 781874 already so either way is fine with me.  I just didn't want the fix not making it into Natty.
[22:44] <slangasek> well, let me prod the bugs to see if we can get a test case
[22:45] <slangasek> no sense in uploading the next SRU either way if it's going to stay wedged forever on verification of the current SRU bugs
[22:49] <slangasek> stgraber: do you happen to have a reproducible test case for bug #742935?
[23:12] <psusi> is there someone I need to poke to activate my universe-contributors membership?
[23:24] <ScottK> broder: I think just backporting bitesize makes sense.
[23:24] <bdrung_> psusi: normally the chair of the meeting
[23:25] <bdrung_> psusi: feel free to poke him
[23:27] <psusi> hrm.. seems the minutes haven't been posted yet
[23:28] <psusi> and the irclogs for ubuntu-meeting are empty...
[23:28] <psusi> err, oops, that was lp-meeting
[23:33] <psusi> cjwatson, bug #770600 has been waiting for a while now for a sponsor, could you handle it?  it's a release regression in dmraid from the 64bit pdc patch that I added... branch proposed to simply disable the patch.
[23:34] <psusi> ppa tested and fix verified by multiple users
[23:38] <stgraber> slangasek: nope
[23:38] <cjwatson> psusi: it's end of week for me now, but my patch pilot day is coming up so I'll handle it then if not before
[23:38] <cjwatson> (it's 23:38 here)
[23:39] <psusi> cjwatson, cool
[23:40] <slangasek> stgraber: k; was worth a shot
[23:40] <cjwatson> I'm only still here because I was finishing up debugging bug 728088 in order to release a kind user's test machine
[23:46] <psusi> cjwatson, it used to be recommended to create a raid1 partition for /boot and install grub to those disks, then raid5 for / ( assuming you want a raid5 )... with grub2 you can now just make a single raid5 for /, and install grub to all of the disks, so should that now be the recommended method?
[23:49] <cjwatson> psusi: probably, if it's working well
[23:49] <cjwatson> separate /boot isn't harmful of course, it's just extra work
[23:51] <psusi> right, and so if it isn't necessary, best to avoid it...
[23:51] <cjwatson> it is more complexity in the boot loader, of course, and some people like to avoid *that*
[23:52] <cjwatson> depends on your point of view really


[10:22] <mup> Bug #2042429 opened: Power management fails due to maas-power failure <MAAS:Triaged by troyanov> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2042429>
[10:25] <mup> Bug #2042429 changed: Power management fails due to maas-power failure <MAAS:Triaged by troyanov> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2042429>
[10:31] <mup> Bug #2042429 opened: Power management fails due to maas-power failure <MAAS:Triaged by troyanov> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2042429>
[10:43] <mup> Bug #2042433 opened: Errors to query/control power are not propagated to the UI <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2042433>
[10:46] <mup> Bug #2042433 changed: Errors to query/control power are not propagated to the UI <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2042433>
[10:49] <mup> Bug #2042433 opened: Errors to query/control power are not propagated to the UI <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2042433>
[18:52] <mup> Bug #2017147 opened: spurious dns entries for dhdcp leases in interface set with same mac address; entry won't cleanup when lease expired <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017147>


[18:14] <pavolzetor> hallo guys
[18:14] <pavolzetor> I have URI of icon
[18:14] <pavolzetor> and I wanna add it to message menu
[18:15] <pavolzetor> indicate_indicator_set_property (indicator, "icon", node->iconFile);
[18:15] <pavolzetor> but it ends with seg fault
[18:15] <pavolzetor> there is no docs about it :/
[18:17] <pavolzetor> hallo
[18:17] <pavolzetor> I need help with indicator applet integration
[18:17] <pavolzetor> how could I add icon?
[18:17] <pavolzetor> indicate_indicator_set_property (indicator, "icon", node->iconFile);
[18:18] <fagan> pavolzetor: you should try #ubuntu-app-devel this channel is fairly quiet on the weekend