[07:06] <Crippy-Boy> The gparted live cd works great and is easy :-)
[07:06] <Crippy-Boy> or just install gparted
[07:06] <f_fenixz> hi all.. im new in linux
[07:06] <flake> ok thanks, i'll look for gparted
[07:06] <f_fenixz> i have a problem here..
[07:07] <zeronenorez> cliffd, can u see this:http://ubuntuking.blogspot.com/2006/09/installing-gtk-engines-2.html#links
[07:07] <viator> flake defrake windows first
[07:07] <viator> itll get borked
[07:07] <viator> if you dont..... happened to me
[07:07] <f_fenixz> i cant boot normally with the live cd
[07:07] <flake> ok
[07:07] <f_fenixz> i can only boot with safe graphics mode
[07:07] <Ogus> mount: can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab ---  why is it looking in mtab and ftab?
[07:07] <f_fenixz> so what is the problem here??
[07:07] <nailbags|work> anyone use evolution? my filters work if i select a message and go Message->Apply Filters, but they won't filter messages in my inbox automatically
[07:07] <SiliconViper> _lemsx1_, http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz also seems to support XFS as the best choice for what I'm doing, but I always like hearing what people have to say.
[07:07] <_lemsx1_> SiliconViper: yep. i've read a lot about this as well. but the test of time has shown me that XFS is the best of all. my data is safe in XFS
[07:07] <f_fenixz> can anyone tell me>>
[07:08] <Ogus> root@ubuntu:/dev# mount sda ---- this is what I entered
[07:08] <R0cK3T> anyone here install quake 3 on ubuntu with amd 64 and ati card?
[07:08] <_lemsx1_> SiliconViper: i use 4gb files at times... XFS is the best
[07:08] <SiliconViper> _lemsx1_, I use a hefty mixture of files between 2MB and 500MB+
[07:08] <_lemsx1_> for all of you worrying about Steve Irwin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Irwin#Death
[07:08] <R0cK3T> if i only woulda went intel and nvidia my life woulda been so much easier :/
[07:09] <eXistenZ> Bist du Deutsch?
[07:09] <Crippy-Boy> Whats ubuntu like on the new intel macs?
[07:09] <viator> the live cd doesnt use any proprietary drivers or anything and may not have the newest for your chipset
[07:10] <viator> you can install in safe mode and install your diver afterwards
[07:10] <flake> omg, i liked the irwin guy, that sucks
[07:10] <R0cK3T> shitty way to go no doubt
[07:10] <R0cK3T> but play with fire and...
[07:10] <SpaceFrog> hey, i have a wine-related question.. I'm trying to install an important program (used in conjunction with a uni course)... It appears to be written in VB6, and manipulates a MSAccess database. It won't open the database, so i'm assuming it doesn't have the MS data access .dlls or something... Do i need to install MS access in Wine or is there another way i can do this?
[07:10] <jvai> hey all, my bad
[07:11] <Flannel> Crippy-Boy: just like it is on normal intel things
[07:11] <f_fenixz> i tried installing in safe graphics mode but to no avail
[07:11] <f_fenixz> it cannot boot from my hd
[07:11] <glick> ekiga is pretty sweet
[07:11] <Crippy-Boy> Flannel: oh, i assumed it might be a pain what with the EFI instead of bios,
[07:11] <thompa> im checking mine
[07:11] <thompa> is it ntfs?
[07:11] <Crippy-Boy> Then again there are Bios compatibility EFI modules. but i dont own one so i wouldnt know :-)
[07:12] <Flannel> Crippy-Boy: If I remember corerctly, you might have to use yaboot, but... once its booted, its exactly the same ;)
[07:12] <R0cK3T> is there any way i can just copy my q3 dir from windows to ubuntu?
[07:12] <redi> i have just downloaded firefox (the update) and i unzipped it to the desktop but don't know how to install it... can somebody give me a tip?
[07:12] <R0cK3T> anyone
[07:12] <Crippy-Boy> Flannel: Yeah, i remember that well, i have a PPC mac
[07:12] <SpaceFrog> nobody knows?
[07:13] <zeronenorez> http://ubuntuking.blogspot.com/2006/09/installing-gtk-engines-2.html#links
[07:13] <Crippy-Boy> SpaceFrog: sorry, i have no idea.
[07:13] <thompa> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64;
[07:13] <zeronenorez> help me
[07:13] <redi> ROcK3t use explorefs
[07:13] <R0cK3T> did it work for you?
[07:13] <flake> when i go to make my windows directory to mount it, should i make it udner my user name or as part of the root file system
[07:13] <redi> yes
[07:13] <thompa> unstable
[07:13] <redi> use it from windows and it works
[07:14] <R0cK3T> hmm
[07:14] <redi> can someone help me install firefox?
[07:14] <flake> sudo mkdir windows
[07:14] <flake> \windows
[07:14] <flake> i'll fart around with it
[07:14] <StoneNote> SpaceFrog, I can't think of a way to do that.  If I were in your situation I'd be stuck loading Windows onto a Virtual Appliance in VMWare and then load Office and my windoze app.  It's that or Cedega and I dont own a copy of that.
[07:15] <_lemsx1_> SpaceFrog: install cross-office and then MS Office
[07:15] <thompa> Ogus: sry did you check /dev/disk
[07:15] <SpaceFrog> i've never heard of cross-office, but i'll look into it
[07:16] <thompa> im in edgy though
[07:17] <StoneNote> SpaceFrog, he's talking about this and it's not free http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxoffice/
[07:17] <R0cK3T> redi: what is explorefs?
[07:17] <viator> i run windows in kqemu
[07:17] <R0cK3T> i can already copy files from windows to ubuntu
[07:17] <redi> its a utility available for windows that allows you to see files in your linux ext3 partition
[07:17] <R0cK3T> but if i copied q3 dir to ubuntu would i be able to play the game from ubuntu?
[07:17] <redi> you can transfer files between the 2 platforms
[07:17] <Crippy-Boy> no
[07:18] <StoneNote> viator, yeah. you can run it inder Xen too.
[07:18] <R0cK3T> simply copying the files isn't my prob
[07:18] <redi> ok
[07:18] <SpaceFrog> oh, i see.
[07:18] <D00B3Y> what do you guys think is the best linux irc client? I dont like xchat that much...
[07:18] <redi> what are you trying to achieve? im sorry i misunderstood
[07:18] <R0cK3T> im tryin to play q3 on ubuntu
[07:18] <Crippy-Boy> R0cK3T: You're not asking if you can run windows binaries under linux natively are you?
[07:18] <R0cK3T> or install it i mean
[07:19] <R0cK3T> i don't know what im asking
[07:19] <R0cK3T> im a total nub
[07:19] <R0cK3T> lol
[07:19] <StoneNote> D00B3Y, if you want to run mirc it works under wine
[07:19] <StoneNote> I like xchat
[07:19] <D00B3Y> oh... k
[07:19] <R0cK3T> i been goin at it all day
[07:19] <R0cK3T> and accomplished nothing
[07:19] <D00B3Y> It gets confusing with queries and channels, also multiple networks
[07:19] <R0cK3T> :(
[07:20] <SpaceFrog> How can i run mp3s in Ubuntu?
[07:20] <thompa> Ogus: in system or prefernces there is the disk utility
[07:20] <StoneNote> D00B3Y, people like what they are used to. it's pretty common
[07:20] <thompa> just dont mount it in /home anywhere
[07:20] <Crippy-Boy> Well if you mean can you just copy a windows version of q3 over to ubuntu and play it then no, get the linux version of quake.
[07:20] <D00B3Y> StoneNote: Is there any wine tut's I can read about setting up Wine for mIRC? never had to use wine before..
[07:20] <_lemsx1_> SpaceFrog: do !mp3
[07:20] <R0cK3T> is there a linux version of quake?
[07:20] <bushblowz> is there a command to recognize a USB optical mouse from terminal in knoppix
[07:21] <nailbags|work> anyone use evolution? my filters work if i select a message and go Message->Apply Filters, but they won't filter messages in my inbox automatically
[07:21] <R0cK3T> i didn't see anything like taht
[07:21] <R0cK3T> i have the install cd
[07:21] <Crippy-Boy> There sure is
[07:21] <Taxman> R0cK3T: google linux quake
[07:21] <R0cK3T> iight
[07:21] <StoneNote> D00B3Y, just install wine, download mirc, right click mirc.exe and open with wine. the rest will look familiar.  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Windows_Applications_in_Linux_.28Wine.29
[07:21] <redi> i just downloaded firefox 1.5 update and unzipped it to my desktop
[07:21] <redi> how do i now install it
[07:22] <D00B3Y> StoneNote: would apt-get install wine do fine?
[07:22] <cafuego> Um
[07:22] <redi> i have 1.0.5 with this ubuntu distro
[07:22] <Crippy-Boy> Man, im so glad i dont game on a pc
[07:22] <cafuego> redi: Do you have a good reason for not using the prepackaged firefox?
[07:22] <StoneNote> D00B3Y, you'll need to set up your apt repositories look at the link http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Windows_Applications_in_Linux_.28Wine.29
[07:22] <thompa> what is this x-special/device-block
[07:22] <cafuego> redi: Which ubuntu version are you on?
[07:22] <redi> 1.0.5 is what i have with this version of linux... i can't use a bunch of extensions with this version
[07:22] <ardchoille> redi: Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS has Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:22] <redi> i don't think it have 6.06
[07:23] <D00B3Y> also one more question: would it be stupid running kdm from ubuntu when you have kubuntu?
[07:23] <R0cK3T> quake 3 arena source 1.32c???
[07:23] <Madpilot> redi, why are you still running an old version of Ubuntu?
[07:23] <cafuego> You may not want 6.06 depending on your hardware.
[07:23] <R0cK3T> taht is just a patch no?
[07:23] <redi> this is the dec 2005 release
[07:23] <infidel> well that seemed painless
[07:23] <R0cK3T> i need to install the game before i run a patch
[07:23] <cafuego> Madpilot: Coz Say warty runs fine in 192Mb of ram. Dapper does not.
[07:23] <Madpilot> redi, October 2005, actually. There was a new release in June 2006
[07:23] <ardchoille> redi: open a term and type lsb_release -a
[07:23] <Taxman> still haven't found a solution to my cs: unable to map card memory error. Anyone able to help?
[07:24] <Madpilot> cafuego, really? Gnome's been getting lighter & faster, though
[07:24] <redi> i have the 5.10 release
[07:24] <cafuego> Madpilot: Ever tried dapper on a box with 256Mb ram (and not a 2GHz cpu?)
[07:24] <cafuego> Madpilot: Even on my laptop (1.6Ghz, 512Mb) it's not snappy.
[07:25] <redi> can i go directly to the june 2006 release of ubuntu without having to reformat?
[07:25] <Madpilot> redi, yes
[07:25] <Crippy-Boy> redi yes
[07:25] <redi> how
[07:25] <ardchoille> cafuego: I use Dapper on a PII, 256Mb ram and it works fine
[07:25] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell redi about upgrade
[07:25] <cafuego> redi: If that's what you want to do, sure.
[07:25] <flake> beautiful, i got it mounted - it went to root which is how it should be
[07:25] <cafuego> ardchoille: And you use gnome? And think it runs ok?
[07:25] <ardchoille> cafuego: Yes
[07:25] <cafuego> Then our definitions of "runs ok" differ.
[07:26] <vik> I've changed my root filesystem from ext3 to ext2, changed /etc/fstab, and removed the journal with tune2fs, but ubuntu still tries to mount it as ext3. any ideas?
[07:26] <ardchoille> cafuego: Well, ff is a bit slow compared to my P4, 1Gb ram box
[07:27] <Crippy-Boy> I have dapper on family desktop (p3 900, 512 ram) if that counts?
[07:27] <Urch> how much space does dapper need? I have a laptop (thought with a bad battery) with a 4gb drive
[07:27] <Crippy-Boy> Runs great.
[07:27] <ardchoille> cafuego: boot up time? I never reboot unless I upgrade the kernel, I can see how the boot up time would be slow
[07:27] <cafuego> ardchoille: That wouldn't apply to most laptops.
[07:27] <ardchoille> cafuego: oh, hehe, true
[07:28] <Jbirk> How do I patch my kernel?
[07:28] <cafuego> Urch: 2GB minimum for a normal install.
[07:28] <cafuego> Jbirk: patch it with what?
[07:28] <vik> cafuego: depends if hibernate works
[07:28] <cafuego> vik: Hahaha. No.
[07:28] <Urch> I could squeeze it in then. Too bad a new batter costs so much
[07:28] <cafuego> vik: Going into hibernate on this thing takes as long as just rebooting.
[07:29] <windowsuser> IF CENA WINS WE RIOT
[07:29] <Crippy-Boy> :-/
[07:29] <cafuego> maple1: Your *what* is broken?
[07:30] <maple1> I use windoze
[07:30] <cafuego> Oh, everything.
[07:30] <Crippy-Boy> so...?
[07:30] <flake> i'm rockin and rollin now
[07:30] <Awesome-o2000> is Sat nights main event on tonight?
[07:31] <_lemsx1_> Awesome-o2000: very offtopic
[07:31] <Madpilot> People, #ubuntu-offtopic is thataway ----->
[07:31] <Hoovey> Yep.
[07:32] <Awesome-o2000> Im trying to decide between a p4 2.6 with HT and an overclocked Celeron (the 256L2 version) 3.4 - im wondering which would perform better for gaming and general desktop stuff
[07:32] <Awesome-o2000> in ubuntu of course
[07:32] <Hoovey> Probably the Pentium 4.
[07:32] <Crippy-Boy> Personally id go for the p4
[07:32] <flake> yes P4 with HT
[07:32] <Hoovey> Celerons are old, and out of date.
[07:32] <flake> celeron is like celery
[07:32] <Hoovey> Yep.
[07:32] <flake> it sucks
[07:32] <Awesome-o2000> well its a newer celeron
[07:32] <Awesome-o2000> but still
[07:32] <Hoovey> Yeah, the P4.
[07:32] <Awesome-o2000> the higher L2 and HT makes a lot of difference eh?
[07:32] <flake> or amd64 ?
[07:32] <jvai> aight uall past my bed tyne :)
[07:33] <flake> isnt amd cheaper and faster
[07:33] <Crippy-Boy> It really depends though, The ht is useless if the game doesnt make use of multi threading.
[07:33] <Crippy-Boy> flake: Theres not really much between them anymore
[07:33] <cafuego> Crippy-Boy: It cna still offload (some) system tasks
[07:33] <flake> bigger fsb = bigger fps?
[07:33] <Awesome-o2000> yeah but the HT is also used by the system to multitask, isnt it?
[07:33] <Hoovey> I think so.
[07:34] <cafuego> Crippy-Boy: The problem with HT is that the "second core" is more or less lobotomised.
[07:34] <Crippy-Boy> cafuego: Yeah, but since he was asking about gaming.
[07:34] <Hoovey> I believe only some applications use HT.
[07:34] <Awesome-o2000> alright - p4 for ubuntu it is. gracias
[07:34] <cafuego> Crippy-Boy: Can't run games without an OS.
[07:34] <Hoovey> I'd like an Intel Core 2 Duo..
[07:34] <Crippy-Boy> cafuego: When did i say you could :-/
[07:34] <Hoovey> In a MacBook 17"
[07:34] <Hoovey> :)
[07:35] <R0cK3T> i can copy files from windows to ubuntu in the gui
[07:35] <Crippy-Boy> Nice laptops
[07:35] <R0cK3T> but i can't get to em through cmd prompt?
[07:35] <R0cK3T> wtf
[07:35] <Hoovey> Weird,
[07:35] <Crippy-Boy> I dont see the point in a 17" laptop though, I dont fancy lugging that around.
[07:35] <Hoovey> Crippy-Boy: Yep, I'm getting a 13" Macbook soon.
[07:35] <flake> what is a ESSID, is that the same as a SSID?  and I didn't specify a WEP key, do i need one?
[07:35] <cafuego> flake: yes, no.
[07:35] <ardchoille> R0cK3T: Why can't you get to them via cli?
[07:35] <feross> hey guys... I've moved an NTFS patition data to an EXT2 partition and made it my /home. Problem is that the data from the NTFS partition has wrong permissions. I'm trying to set all of the directories to drwxr-xr-x and the rest of the files to rw-r--r-- but with chmod -R I mess up the directories or the files. I figured out that 'find . -type d|xargs chmod 755' will work for directories but it doesn't catch directories with spaces in them. How
[07:36] <Crippy-Boy> I only have a PPC mac, Wouldn't mind an intel mac too much, but theres not much point me paying the premium as i dont use os x much
[07:36] <Lathiat> feross: put the X in capitals
[07:36] <R0cK3T> cli?
[07:36] <Lathiat> feross: makes it apply to directories only
[07:36] <ardchoille> R0cK3T: cli = Command Line Interface
[07:36] <Lathiat> feross: e.g. chmod u+rwX,g+rX,o+rX
[07:36] <cafuego> feross: Check out u+rwX,g+rX,o-rwx
[07:36] <Crippy-Boy> If i could afford it id have a brand new thinkpad with a core duo 2ghz and 3gb ram *drool*
[07:36] <glick> damn ubuntu's brownness
[07:36] <R0cK3T> i found it
[07:36] <Hoovey> Is there a way to get Ubuntu into 1280x1024 in VMWARE?
[07:36] <Hoovey> Like, force it into 1280x1024?
[07:37] <_lemsx1_> feross: find . -type d -exec chmod 0755 {} \;
[07:37] <R0cK3T> i though it was supposed to be in /mnt
[07:37] <Lathiat> feross: also the 'better' way to use find would be 'find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;'
[07:37] <R0cK3T> but its in /media/hda1
[07:37] <Lathiat> feross: but the +X chmods are what you really want
[07:37] <eyequeue> glick, i read that as brownies :)  i'm hungry
[07:37] <feross> ok seems it's a FAQ haha thanks all
[07:39] <dthcb> hey guys
[07:39] <Hoovey> so, is there a way to force ubuntu into 1280x1024 in vmware?
[07:39] <glick> hey how can i install new splash screen?
[07:39] <cafuego> Hoovey: configure the X server, like in non-vmware.
[07:39] <Hoovey> I tried
[07:39] <Hoovey> It broke.
[07:39] <dthcb> im on xchat and i was sent a few photos from a friend, only problem is i cant find them
[07:40] <cafuego> Hoovey: configure the X server _PROPERLY_, like in non-vmware.
[07:40] <dthcb> apparently they went to the 'downloads' folder
[07:40] <Hoovey> i changed
[07:40] <dthcb> how do i find that ?
[07:40] <Hoovey> 1024 768 to
[07:40] <Hoovey> 1280 1024
[07:40] <dthcb> sorry im only new to linux
[07:40] <Hoovey> and it borked.
[07:40] <bayzider> can some one help me to find out where my ipod i mounted
[07:40] <cafuego> Hoovey: It would pobably also help to install the vmare utils, so you get the specific vmware X driver.
[07:40] <Crippy-Boy> dthcb: i might be wrong here but i think the default is ~/.xchat/downloads
[07:40] <brendonjt> hi all can a ubuntu CC member please  pm me who is going to be at the  meeting tomorrow??
[07:40] <Hoovey> hmm, ok
[07:40] <ardchoille> glick: Put the new splash screen in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash and then open gconf-editor, go to apps/gnome-session/options and see the splash_image key
[07:40] <cafuego> Hoovey: You don't change the numbers. You run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[07:41] <Hoovey> ahh, ok
[07:41] <brendonjt> hi all can a ubuntu CC member please  pm me who is going to be at the  meeting tomorrow??
[07:42] <ardchoille> !splash
[07:42] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image.
[07:42] <dthcb> Crippy-Boy:  no luck, any other suggestions?
[07:43] <Ogus> test
[07:44] <Crippy-Boy> Sorry i have no idea then
[07:45] <Ogus> hey remember me? I fixed my Xorg file - thanks for the suggestions - I didnt know there was a backup so I pasted the Xorg backup into the nano editor - and saved it over the messed up file - thx again
[07:47] <freesun> hello... anyone here to tell me how to enable kernel modules loading?
[07:47] <cafuego> it's enabled already.
[07:48] <neddiW_> hi everyone
[07:48] <neddiW_> i hace a problem, I cannot open synaptics
[07:48] <Hoovey> :/
[07:48] <Hoovey> What happens when you try to open it?
[07:48] <neddiW_> does anyone know how to fix it? :(
[07:49] <freesun> cafuego: and what about message from log : Sep  4 00:03:11 ubuntu kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled.
[07:49] <neddiW_> Hoovey, is asks for the password but nothing after
[07:49] <HellDragon> :(
[07:49] <Flannel> neddiW_: you running XGL?
[07:49] <neddiW_> nope, just Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[07:49] <neddiW_> 6.06
[07:50] <Flannel> neddiW_: no error message? or anything?  Do you have add/remove, apt-get, adept,  update-manager, or other package sorts of things running?
[07:50] <cafuego> freesun: What kernel is that?
[07:51] <freesun> cafuego: standard 6_06 updated via i-net
[07:51] <canine_kouji> hmm
[07:51] <canine_kouji> is xfce with xubuntu light enough to start the installer?
[07:51] <freesun> cafuego: automatic ubuntu update
[07:51] <canine_kouji> this laptop only has 256 ram. the package on the cd case are liars, you can't install on a 256. it just swaps like crazy
[07:51] <cafuego> freesun: What does 'uname -r' say about it?
[07:52] <neddiW_> Flannel, nothing else runnig at the same time but, update manager says :An error occured, please run package manager...."
[07:52] <canine_kouji> been waiting 4 hours for it to get to the next menu after clicking next to the english selection
[07:52] <freesun> cafuego: 2.6.15-26-386
[07:52] <cafuego> freesun: Ah hold on, I think these kernels handle module loading via udev and not kmod.
[07:53] <cafuego> freesun: BUT they are modular kernels.
[07:53] <freesun> cafuego: so that's why modprobe doesn't seem to work for me and editing /etc/modules either?
[07:53] <bayzider> can some one help me im instaling a os that needs its own drive, and i need to know how to whipe my hard drvie
[07:54] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: Hrm sounds more like you've hit a bug or something
[07:54] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: have you tried hitting next again?
[07:54] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: move the mouse off and back onto the next button
[07:54] <holymoo> hellow
[07:54] <holymoo> okay who the hell is holycow
[07:54] <holymoo> stole my nick
[07:54] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: there is nothing to display in the winodw
[07:55] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: try close and restart the installer
[07:55] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: I've tried this on several laptops, its running out of ram
[07:55] <bayzider> can some one help me im instaling a os that needs its own drive, and i need to know how to whipe my hard drvie
[07:55] <cafuego> freesun: No... even if the kernel module loader isn't enabled, the kernel cna still load modules (eg: mine does).  Soemthing else is wrong with yours; it reckons it can't find its symbols... does /boot/System.map-2.6.15-26-386 exist?
[07:55] <Madpilot> holymoo, if you didn't have it registered, it wasn't really yours. If it is registered, ghost holycow and take it back
[07:55] <Lathiat> holymoo: is your nick registered?
[07:55] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: I've done this several times with several laptops with only 256 ram, it breaks
[07:55] <holymoo> i had it registered
[07:55] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: hrm, interesting
[07:55] <Madpilot> holymoo, then use ghost
[07:55] <canine_kouji> s/breaks/sits there trying to load
[07:55] <freesun> cafuego: only this file:///boot/System.map-2.6.15-23-386
[07:55] <canine_kouji> the livecds for ubuntu and kubuntu both work just fine
[07:55] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: Check launchpad for any open bugs
[07:55] <canine_kouji> its just when installing
[07:56] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: happened on 5.0whatever as well
[07:56] <Hoovey> offtopic, sorry, but the crocodile hunter just died :(
[07:56] <freesun> cafuego: I guess that is no
[07:56] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: is this the same laptop?
[07:56] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: different laptops
[07:56] <holycow> test
[07:56] <Lathiat> im wandering if its some hardware specific bug
[07:56] <holycow> damned straight
[07:56] <holycow> :) danke
[07:56] <canine_kouji> tried on about 5 different laptops
[07:56] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: you could giv ethe alternate cd a try
[07:56] <Madpilot> Hoovey, we know...
[07:56] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: but that seems very odd
[07:56] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: whats odd, its running out of memory
[07:56] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: ah hrm
[07:56] <glick> thank god! all traces of the poop theme gone!
[07:56] <Lathiat> it is
[07:56] <bayzider> can some one help me im instaling a os that needs its own drive, and i need to know how to whipe my hard drvie
[07:56] <Lathiat> interesting
[07:57] <_azrael> bayzider: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdax
[07:57] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: I even tried killing gnome apps. WHen I add another stick of memory, everything works fine
[07:57] <Lathiat> canine_kouji: alternate cd is likely your best bet but yeh it should work in 256
[07:57] <canine_kouji> the installer is a memory hungry monster
[07:57] <_azrael> bayzider: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdx (a correction)
[07:57] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: oh, the alternate cds works fine
[07:57] <freesun> ok, g2g
[07:57] <cafuego> freesun: Ok, force the new kernel to reinstall.
[07:57] <freesun> see you ppl
[07:57] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: thanks for reminding me. I was going to leave work without burning one :)
[07:57] <freesun> cafuego: how?
[07:57] <bayzider> ok how do i view my partiontions so i know wut im deleting
[07:58] <cafuego> freesun: (and check that /boot is not full)
[07:58] <cafuego> freesun: 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-26-386'
[08:00] <_azrael> bayzider: cfdisk /dev/hdx
[08:00] <_lemsx1_> bayzider: qtparted/gparted ?
[08:00] <freesun> cafuego: and why it could be that I can load module via modprobe (for my via-ac97 soundcard) and soundcard doesn't apper in system->preferences->sound and I cannot therefore choose it and use it? loading module makes no errors
[08:00] <glick> hey whats tomboy for?
[08:01] <holycow> glick, just making notes
[08:01] <holycow> glick, its like a sticky note without the annoying 'sticky' part that doesn't make sense on a computer desktop
[08:01] <glick> heh
[08:01] <gene> hello
[08:01] <cafuego> but with the wiki bit, which is handy
[08:02] <cafuego> and beagle indexes 'em by default.
[08:02] <glick> beagle
[08:02] <glick> i keep hearing good things about beagle
[08:02] <glick> maybe i should try it
[08:02] <cafuego> when it works, it's VERY nice.
[08:02] <holycow> glick, beagle is a superb search thingy
[08:02] <holycow> its works VERY VERY well
[08:02] <flake> now i'm having trouble enabling my eth1 wireless connection
[08:02] <cafuego> glick: use my packaged version though, not the one in dapper.
[08:02] <flake> went to network/admin
[08:03] <flake> set ESSID = SSID of router
[08:03] <flake> DHCP
[08:03] <glick> whats wrong with the one id dapper?
[08:03] <gene> anyone able to help with an intel graphics card issue?
[08:03] <flake> and activate
[08:03] <flake> pinging = Network is unreachable
[08:03] <freesun> cafuego: down for reboot to new apply new kernel
[08:03] <holycow> gene just ask q, if anyone knows they will answer
[08:03] <flake> when i open back up the admin/network panel again, it says its deactivated
[08:04] <bayzider> ok let me explain t
[08:04] <bayzider> hisagain
[08:04] <glick> cafuego, whats wrong with the one in dapper?
[08:04] <bayzider> ok let me explain this again, im tryng to i
[08:04] <cafuego> glick: old & buggy
[08:04] <bayzider> ahh srry
[08:04] <cafuego> glick: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/dapper-cafuego/beagle/
[08:04] <glick> how is beagle different from the find command?
[08:05] <cafuego> glick: beagle is like google.
[08:05] <flake> do i need ndiswrapper
[08:05] <gene> ok, i got a intel integrated graphics card. i'm trying to run a windows program through wine with an opengl switch, but it doesn't seem to work. anyone have any ideas?
[08:05] <cafuego> glick: find is slow, beagle uses its index, sinds stuff instantaneously. It also know about meta info in office files, emails etc... so it only finds relevant stuff.
[08:06] <glick> oh
[08:06] <glick> coo
[08:06] <bayzider> ok let me exlpain this again im installing x86(im a tester) i need to install it on a blank hard drvie but i only have one how ever on one of my partitions i have a expirered windows(i need to register it)  so im haveing trouble geting it off ym hard drive so can some one help me
[08:06] <flake> correct me if i'm wrong, but intel integrated graphics card = little to no 3d, only software?
[08:06] <cafuego> flake: You are corrected.
[08:07] <cafuego> flake: Intel have opened up their drivers, 3D should be fine.
[08:07] <holycow> cafuego, didn't intel say they are open sourcing something about their latest chipsets?
[08:07] <holycow> i thought it included 3d acceleration?
[08:07] <flake> gene was asking
[08:07] <cafuego> holycow: indeed
[08:08] <freesun> cafuego: well I have reinstalled kernel
[08:08] <holycow> cafuego, so it does include 3d accelration? well thats sweet
[08:08] <The_Ball> what do i need to install to get the make utility?
[08:08] <holycow> i wasn't sure either
[08:08] <freesun> cafuego: what do you suggest?
[08:08] <cafuego> holycow: it should, yes.
[08:08] <gene> as it is, it runs it using d3d, but the rendering is buggy
[08:08] <holycow> thats going to be great for laptops
[08:08] <cafuego> holycow: indeed
[08:08] <cafuego> means you don't have to either use closed ati or closed nvidia.
[08:09] <holycow> i'm going to haveto research this more, i'm about to buy a fairly expensive lappie
[08:09] <Bonez> hi, is there a net-install ISO for Ubuntu dapper 6.06? I don't want to download the whole 600mb if possible, just want to download what I need from the internet. Can this be done?
[08:09] <holycow> would be nice to have the proper intel chipset
[08:09] <holycow> cafuego, yeah interesting
[08:09] <gene> intel 810?
[08:09] <holycow> cafuego, that also means i may switch us from amd cpus to intel ... this is gonna suck for the open video card project tho
[08:10] <bayzider> ok let me exlpain this again im installing x86(im a tester) i need to install it on a blank hard drvie but i only have one how ever on one of my partitions i have a expirered windows(i need to register it)  so im haveing trouble geting it off ym hard drive so can some one help me
[08:10] <The_Ball> oh, is the package that provides make called make? and not included on the 700mb install?
[08:10] <flake> can i change the grub loading timer easily
[08:10] <flake> 3 seconds fly by too quickly
[08:10] <gautam> hi
[08:11] <Bonez> hi, is there a net-install ISO for Ubuntu dapper 6.06? I don't want to download the whole 600mb if possible, just want to download what I need from the internet. Can this be done?
[08:11] <holycow> bayzider, if you want to install another linux on that partition, just pick it during install
[08:11] <The_Ball> flake, yes, any grub tutorial covers that as one of the first steps
[08:11] <gene> i have a intel 810 integrated, wondering if it supports opengl rendering
[08:11] <Awesome-o2000> that would rock, but no
[08:11] <holycow> bayzider, you don't haveto take it off ... just select the partition during install, format and tell it to install there
[08:11] <holycow> thats it
[08:11] <gautam> Bonez: no sorry
[08:11] <flake> ugh -  more reading
[08:11] <holycow> gene, i have a number of those boards, it does but i don't know how much of ogl is supported
[08:12] <holycow> gene, it DEFINATELY renders ogl fine accelerated for quite a bit of things
[08:12] <bayzider> no this os NEEDS its own drive not partition. i need to go into the live cd and install it from there its no linux its osx i just need to know how to completly whipe my hard drive
[08:12] <holycow> osx needs its own drive?
[08:12] <holycow> wow
[08:12] <gautam> bayzider: fdisk :)
[08:13] <holycow> bayzider, yeah fdisk
[08:13] <bayzider> im not sure how to use that is it just one command and every things gone
[08:13] <gene> holycow, well i try to run this through wine. "wine <prog> -opengl" but it gives me a long error that i can really seem to interpret
[08:13] <holycow> bayzider, also look into dd, you can very easily write out every bit on the platers with dd to get all data zeroed out
[08:14] <holycow> gene, that doesn't necessarily mean anything about your chipset
[08:14] <gautam> boot from ubuntu live CD and fdisk the hdd
[08:14] <holycow> maybe wine doesn't support ogl properly
[08:14] <holycow> or the app you are trying to run is just crap
[08:14] <Arafangion> gene: Why are you specifying -opengl
[08:14] <holycow> :)
[08:14] <bayzider> can some one give me the command
[08:15] <cherubiel> DBO: there?
[08:15] <Arafangion> bayzider: The command's name *is* "fdisk", without the quotations.
[08:15] <gene> holycow, i'm new to ubuntu, and i'm going off a tutorial which is intended for NVIDIA / ATI, and I'm trying to patch it through to my Intel
[08:15] <holycow> gene, patch what?
[08:15] <holycow> why are you doing that?
[08:15] <holycow> i have no idea what you are doing, but i can tell you, it sounds wrong already :)
[08:15] <Awesome-o2000> eugene
[08:15] <gene> not patch, I'm just trying to follow a similar method
[08:16] <macness> hey everybody
[08:16] <bayzider> i typed in fdisk it didnt whipe my hard drive
[08:16] <holycow> gene, for what purpose?
[08:16] <holycow> it makes no sense actually
[08:16] <macness> <-ubuntu noob here wondering if anybody was up for giving some advice on getting my wireless card to work.
[08:17] <holycow> macness, if it doesn't work automatically its almost 99% certain its not supported
[08:17] <holycow> macness, the simple answer is cough up $30 and get one that is supported
[08:17] <Arafangion> macness: What did you run before on the computer?
[08:17] <holycow> search the wiki for supported cards and chipsets
[08:17] <gene> holycow, trying to get a windows program to run through wine. the method i was given seems to work fine for nvidia or ati, but nothing is said for intel...
[08:17] <holycow> !wireless
[08:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:17] <inkboy> aw! that means my d-link card is not support :(
[08:17] <holycow> gene, ah
[08:18] <Arafangion> gene: wine doesn't care for squat with respect to ati/nvidia
[08:18] <ubuntu_> hi
[08:18] <macness> <-well it seems like from the wiki's i've read that other's have gotten theirs to work
[08:18] <ubuntu_> hi
[08:18] <holycow> inkboy, not all of them are, hardware manufacturers don't always play nice with us
[08:18] <holycow> gene, what Arafangion said
[08:18] <freesun> anyone can tell me where can I find which error number in kernel log means what?
[08:18] <ubuntu_> holycow: hi
[08:18] <holycow> gene, ogl is ogl
[08:18] <macness> same PCIID from the wiki's
[08:19] <holycow> ubuntu_, oi
[08:19] <ubuntu_> freesun:  /var/log/messages?
[08:19] <bayzider> i typed in fdisk it didnt whipe my hard drive
[08:19] <Arafangion> bayzider: What did you want it to do?
[08:19] <gene> holycow, any ideas why when i try to run with -opengl it doesn't work?
[08:19] <ubuntu_> bayzider: hi
[08:19] <Lynoure> bayzider: it takes a bit more than that.
[08:19] <ubuntu_> fdisk will erase all drive
[08:19] <ubuntu_> be carefull
[08:19] <Arafangion> gene: Again, why the heck are you specifying "-opengl"?
[08:19] <holycow> bayzider, it will if you use it properly.  what do you mean by 'it didn't wipe yoru drive'.... did you google how to use it properly?
[08:20] <bayzider> no
[08:20] <macness> ndiswrapper recognizes that the driver is installed and hardware is detected
[08:20] <bayzider> i will
[08:20] <bayzider> now
[08:20] <ubuntu_> bayzider:  it is more like fdisk /dev/hda
[08:20] <macness> should i be looking for something esle
[08:20] <ubuntu_> whatever ur drive is
[08:20] <sei> not sure
[08:20] <gene> arafangion, when i run the program through wine without the -opengl switch, it renders it with direct3d, which is buggy at best
[08:21] <ryancr> anyone know why xgl would reset the gtk theme to stock theme and icons?
[08:21] <ubuntu_> bayzider: BACKUP ur data
[08:22] <Arafangion> gene: Interesting, if that is true (and is _still_ true, giving the speed at which wine changes), then you need to do: wine -opengl <app>
[08:22] <freesun> ubuntu_: and how to find out which is -16 ?
[08:22] <flake> thanks for the help gals and guys, will continue this tomorrow
[08:22] <Arafangion> gene: Because if you do: wine <app> -opengl, then wine doesn't get the flag, rather, it assumes that it's intended for <app> to parse.
[08:22] <flake> happy labor day
[08:22] <macness> looking for a little bit of sympathy here, i've been at this wireless problem for 4 days now, I thought i could research this myself but obviously i'm at my wits end here, if anyone could offer advice that would be most appreciated
[08:22] <gene> arafangion, i see, i will give it a shot, thank you
[08:22] <ubuntu_> freesun:  -16? for?
[08:22] <flake> wireless problem?
[08:23] <macness> yes flake
[08:23] <ubuntu_> macness: ndiswrapper detects?
[08:23] <freesun> ubuntu: Sep  3 08:21:28 ubuntu kernel: [4294693.825000]  VIA 82xx Audio: probe of 0000:00:07.5 failed with error -16
[08:23] <macness> it seems everyone's got it to work bu me
[08:23] <flake> oh.. i'm trying ndiswrapper tomorrow
[08:23] <macness> yes ubuntu it detects
[08:23] <ubuntu_> macness:  try  ifup wlan0 up
[08:23] <ubuntu_> macness:  try  ifup wlan0
[08:23] <pradeeper> Hi All, I'm trying to customize Ubuntu LiveCD and I want some information on that. Is there any channel (or mailing list) specific to that?
[08:24] <ubuntu_> freesun:  so u dont get any sound?
[08:24] <freesun> ubuntu_: yes
[08:24] <ubuntu_> freesun:  aumix installed?
[08:24] <freesun> and there is no sound device in SYstem->Preferences->Sound
[08:24] <macness> ubuntu_: i get this wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[08:25] <freesun> if it is in standard 6_06 installation then answer is yes
[08:25] <ubuntu_> macness: iwconfig?
[08:25] <Homer> Is ACPI Standby mode working yet in Ubuntu?
[08:25] <macness> should this be active in the network window first?
[08:25] <ubuntu_> freesun: apt-get install aumix
[08:25] <gene> arafangion, tried what you said, "wine -opengl <app>" and this is what i get "wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\-opengl.exe": Module not found"
[08:26] <ubuntu_> macness:  yep i guess command was network-admin
[08:26] <luckyone> on my laptop, is there anyway to make the screen go "lights out", instead of blank when the screensaver kicks on?
[08:26] <pradeeper> is there a IRC channel for Ubuntu Developers?
[08:26] <Arafangion> gene: Then, I was wrong.
[08:26] <Arafangion> gene: Still, I've been able to run opengl apps without any -opengl flag whatsoever.
[08:26] <luckyone> gene, the syntax is wine <app> -opengl
[08:26] <macness> ubuntu_: iwconfig seems to detect the device
[08:26] <Arafangion> luckyone: Ok, I was definetly wrong then :)
[08:26] <freesun> ubuntu_: I have aumix, now? modprobe?
[08:26] <Madpilot> pradeeper, #ubuntu-devel - but if you've got questions or think you've found a bug, here is the best place
[08:27] <ubuntu_> freesun:  run aumix
[08:27] <luckyone> on my laptop, is there anyway to make the screen go "lights out", instead of blank when the screensaver kicks on?
[08:27] <macness> ubuntu_:but it still doesnt work ;)
[08:27] <pradeeper> Thanks! no Madpilot, I need some help on Ubuntu remastring
[08:27] <freesun> ubuntu_: aumix:  error opening mixer
[08:27] <gene> luckyone, there's a sizeable error message
[08:27] <ubuntu_> macness:  even from network-admin?
[08:27] <gr33npho3nix> hey whats the deal w\ pentium D, does that use the 64bit ubuntu (which says amd) or does it need the regular cd
[08:27] <Arafangion> Hmm, fancy this.
[08:27] <luckyone> gene, don't know about that one sorry
[08:27] <macness> ubuntu_: you mean making it active?
[08:28] <luckyone> gene, check in #winehq
[08:28] <ubuntu_> yes
[08:28] <Arafangion> Just found a CD, which apparently came with a USB drive, in it, in the Linux section, is a PDF file that has two lines, essentially saying "See www.redhat.com".
[08:28] <holycow> Arafangion, lol
[08:28] <holycow> typical
[08:28] <macness> ubuntu_: i can activate it, but it doesnt work
[08:29] <ubuntu_> well no idea then :(
[08:29] <freesun> ubuntu_: aumix:  error opening mixer
[08:29] <macness> ubuntu_:could i have the wrong drivers perhaps, keep in mind, big ubuntu noob here
[08:30] <holycow> macness, :) lol
[08:30] <holycow> i strongly suggest juts buying one that is supported
[08:30] <canine_kouji> Lathiat: well xubuntu works just fine :)
[08:30] <willzzz> .join #ubuntu-xgl
[08:30] <holycow> you plug it in and go
[08:31] <macness> holycow: im on a laptop, god knows im sure i'll have the same headaches with the card reader
[08:32] <Arafangion> macness: Actually, my internal SDcard reader "just worked" in Ubuntu.
[08:32] <holycow> macness, probably not
[08:32] <Arafangion> macness: Want a piece of advise?
[08:32] <macness> yes i would!
[08:32] <Arafangion> macness: Upgrade to the latest kernel you can get at the time from the repos, then use aptitude, and *lock the kernel* so that it doesn't automatically get upgraded.
[08:33] <macness> arafangion, you lost me at about kernel
[08:33] <holycow> Arafangion, your guessing it might have newer drivers i guess?
[08:33] <canine_kouji> heh
[08:34] <canine_kouji> I wish my internal SD reader would work
[08:34] <macness> is aptitude a locking util?
[08:34] <Arafangion> macness: Tell me what "uname -a" says.
[08:34] <canine_kouji> 0000:02:0d.0 System peripheral: Toshiba America Info Systems SD TypA Controller (rev 05)
[08:34] <holycow> i would say tha tif that fails to produce results he will have risked borking his wholeinstall :)
[08:34] <holycow> i think its just cheaper and easier to buy a new card
[08:34] <holycow> heh
[08:34] <canine_kouji> ^ the reader above has been out for 2 years, still no driver for it ;)
[08:34] <Arafangion> macness: It's like the ultimate version of synaptic.
[08:34] <Arafangion> holycow: It _will_ have newer drivers.
[08:34] <macness> ok gotcha
[08:34] <holycow> not necessarily for his chipset tho
[08:34] <canine_kouji> eww, people use graphical package managerS? :/
[08:35] <holycow> canine_kouji, to start out with :) everyone graduates to cli eventually
[08:35] <canine_kouji> holycow: i'd die without urxvt
[08:35] <macness> arafangion, uname -a says: Linux edwin-laptop 2.6.15-26-386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:00 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:35] <ardchoille> Now, now.. be respectful of people's choice of software.
[08:35] <chris12349> what package is ./configure in?
[08:36] <Arafangion> chris12349: Have a GUESS>
[08:36] <Arafangion> macness: That's the same as mine.
[08:36] <chris12349> Arafangion: autoconf?
[08:37] <macness> arafangion, where to go from here
[08:37] <Homer> so anyone know how to get standby to work (if possible)?
[08:37] <canine_kouji> chris12349: hehehe.. well configure is generated by autohell tools
[08:37] <ardchoille> chris12349: the "./configure" you're thinking of is tellng the system to run the configure script which usually ships with source archives
[08:37] <holycow> Homer, it should work automatically.  if it doesn't chances are its not supported
[08:37] <ardchoille> Hence the "./"
[08:37] <Arafangion> chris12349: Consider the fact that that command starts with "./"
[08:37] <Homer> would there be an option in GNOME?
[08:38] <Homer> there is an option for hibernate
[08:38] <chris12349> I under stand that.  For some reason I can't run configure, I though a --reinstall might fix the problem
[08:38] <Homer> :)
[08:38] <luckyone> what handles laptop actions for ubuntu? is it acpi?
[08:38] <Homer> ACPI
[08:38] <Homer> yes
[08:38] <holycow> Homer, hardware manufactures are a*holes, they don't like to play nice most of the time ... there is a big ongoing issue with that particular item and hw manufacturers not publishing specs
[08:38] <baysider> can some one help me mount my ipod when i cd to it the terminal just gives me ">"
[08:38] <ardchoille> chris12349: Have you installed build-essential ?
[08:38] <R0cK3T> can someone walk me through a quake 3 install on ubuntu (amd 64/ati xpress 200m)?
[08:38] <freesun> I get error Sep  4 08:33:34 ubuntu kernel: [17179594.608000]  VIA 82xx Audio: probe of 0000:00:07.5 failed with error -16 and sound (of course with message like this) doesn't work, any help?
[08:38] <Homer> funny how a standard is not standard
[08:38] <macness> holycow, any advice on cards that should "just work" on the laptop?
[08:39] <canine_kouji> holycow: oh yes, they're all about protecting their IP, then they turn out like a company comparing to sony which looses tons of money because of it ;)
[08:39] <Homer> if you support ACPI you should support all devices that implement ACPI
[08:39] <holycow> macness, yes, there is a hug elist of stuff known to work and known not to ... its on the ubuntu forums somewhere.  start searching there
[08:39] <Homer> is in, you don't need a different method for each device
[08:39] <Homer> that's the whole point of standards
[08:39] <holycow> !wifi
[08:39] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:39] <holycow> maybe that has some linkage
[08:39] <chris12349> ardchoille: yep... did that first... strange problem.... this is what I get for using apt-get ;)
[08:39] <macness> thanks!
[08:39] <Arafangion> macness: I like to lock the kernel, using aptitude, so that any hard work in customizing your setup, especially with respect to custom compiled modules and ndiswrapper stuff, etc, isn't blown away at the next automatic kernel upgrade.
[08:40] <holycow> canine_kouji, they all  belong to the proprietary cult
[08:40] <baysider> can some one help me when i cd to my ipod  the terminal just gives me ">"
[08:40] <holycow> canine_kouji, they have an inability to understand WHY publishing specs helps them, i agree
[08:40] <chris12349> where is configure supposed to be? /usr/sbin?
[08:40] <ardchoille> chris12349: Well, consider the fact that apt-get works great for lots of folks.. could it be that you're missing something?
[08:40] <macness> arafangion, ubotu, and holycow:thanks for the info, i think i'll crack at it some more until after the holiday
[08:40] <canine_kouji> holycow: yes well, all I can wonder is what will happen is the GPLv3 is forced everywhere, especially IBM. Placing pressure on these corps to release their patents to public use.
[08:41] <holycow> macness, i seriuosly wouldn't waste my time making a wireless card work
[08:41] <ardchoille> chris12349: You're thinking about it wrong, ./configure isn't a package, it's telling the system to run the "configure" shell script that ships with source archives
[08:41] <holycow> they are so cheap it really will be a pleasure to pick one up, plug it in and go
[08:41] <holycow> you won't even haveto install a driver or anything
[08:41] <canine_kouji> macness: if you need a wireless card to work, I recommend ndiswrapper ;)
[08:41] <chris12349> ardchoille: yeah but the command should be somewhere :)  I'm trying to track down the problem
[08:41] <baysider> can some one help me when i cd to my ipod  the terminal just gives me ">"
[08:41] <Arafangion> holycow: If it's built-in, I would bother.
[08:41] <ardchoille> chris12349: It's the same as when you tell the system to ./filename.sh
[08:42] <ardchoille> chris12349: it's not a command
[08:42] <Arafangion> holycow: If it were extenal, then yeah, I'd replace it without a second thought.
[08:42] <chris12349> ardchoille: oh oh ok....
[08:42] <holycow> Arafangion, why? just get a pcmcia card and go
[08:42] <chris12349> ardchoille: ok i fee stupid I didn't run automake first  ....
[08:42] <freesun>  I get error Sep  4 08:33:34 ubuntu kernel: [17179594.608000]  VIA 82xx Audio: probe of 0000:00:07.5 failed with error -16 and sound (of course with message like this) doesn't work, any help?
[08:42] <ardchoille> chris12349: lol
[08:42] <macness> canine_: ndiswrapper isn't working per se, sort of, kinda
[08:42] <holycow> he spent 4 days on it already ... i think everyone here would think 4 days is wroth a lot more than $30 to them?
[08:43] <macness> 4 days for a noob is relatively translated into 3 hours or so
[08:43] <macness> lol
[08:43] <canine_kouji> macness: I've had ndiswrapper not work well, try drivers for different OSes(win98, 2k, xp) then try different versions of the drivers for it. make sure a linux module isn't trying to load by blacklisting the module, as I've had that as a showstopper
[08:43] <macness> i should mention that this is also my first linux install EVER
[08:43] <holycow> macness, lol in that case ....
[08:43] <holycow> hehe
[08:43] <baysider> can some one help me when i cd to my ipod  the terminal just gives me ">"
[08:44] <canine_kouji> baysider: no
[08:44] <baysider> why not?
[08:44] <canine_kouji> baysider: You repeated the question, that is why
[08:45] <baysider> sorry im kind of impatint
[08:45] <R0cK3T> can someone walk me through a quake 3 install on ubuntu (amd 64/ati xpress 200m)?
[08:45] <macness> thanks canine_: i never thought to try other OSes
[08:46] <holycow> macness, the neat thing about linux is that supported hardware just works
[08:46] <canine_kouji> macness: some cards have drivers for win98, 2k, nt, and xp. 2k drivers usually work if the xp drivers dont
[08:46] <holycow> its really very cool
[08:46] <holycow> but hardware companies don't like to publish specs to their hardware at minimum
[08:46] <canine_kouji> holycow: well yeah, linux has more drivers than windows by default. When it messes up though, it really messes up
[08:46] <macness> yeah, ive been meaning to get rid of Windows cold turkey. if i can get this to work. i'll be a changed man
[08:46] <Digital> hello everyone
[08:46] <holycow> canine_kouji, not really
[08:46] <holycow> canine_kouji, it either works or it doesn't
[08:47] <reZo_> Is there anyway of disabling the middle mouth wheel button as paste?
[08:47] <holycow> if it doesn't you can't do anything about it unless you can code and fix drivers
[08:47] <reZo_> In Ubuntu LTS 6.06 that is.
[08:47] <Arafangion> macness: If you can, use wired networks, if you can't, get a wireless adapter that _works_.
[08:47] <canine_kouji> holycow: ahuh, well I've had a module hard lock the machine for a wifi card because it felt it needed to do it ;)
[08:47] <reZo_> *mouth == mouse
[08:47] <holycow> canine_kouji, lol
[08:47] <Digital> can anyone tell me what I need to do to get dvd's playing back?
[08:47] <ardchoille> reZo_: I believe that's a *nix thing, not an Ubuntu thing
[08:47] <reZo_> LAme.
[08:48] <swuboo> Does anyone know if it's possible to get lmsensors working on an nForce5** motherboard?
[08:48] <reZo_> Really does get on my nerves at times, oh well, have to get used to it I guess :/
[08:48] <ardchoille> !restricted > Digital
[08:48] <canine_kouji> reZo_: you can disable it in your xorg.conf
[08:48] <reZo_> Wicked.
[08:48] <ardchoille> Digital: That page has a lot of info on DVD playback
[08:48] <Wicked_> hmm?
[08:48] <Digital> thank you
[08:48] <Wicked_> oh... woops
[08:48] <canine_kouji> reZo_: also make sure mouse3 emulation is off, or right and left together will do it too ;)
[08:49] <ardchoille> Wicked_: I'll bet you get highlighted a lot with that nick
[08:49] <reZo_> :)
[08:49] <reZo_> Cheers
[08:49] <macness> is anybody else using and acer aspire here?
[08:49] <ba> anyone from canada in here?
[08:49] <holycow> macness, its all we buy
[08:49] <canine_kouji> eww, canadians! :D
[08:49] <Wicked_> ardchoille, yes, quite a bit
[08:49] <R0cK3T> yeah
[08:49] <holycow> macness, but we ONLY buy the linux ones
[08:49] <holycow> macness, not all aspires wireless cards work
[08:49] <holycow> ba, westcoast in tha house
[08:49] <canine_kouji> macness: out of curiousity, which card do you have?
[08:49] <Madpilot> ba, lots - even more in #ubuntu-ca
[08:49] <canine_kouji> macness: please say bcm42xx
[08:50] <canine_kouji> macness: oh no! ::/
[08:50] <macness> yes canine
[08:50] <canine_kouji> macness: I know why its not working, you didn't take a look at dmesg
[08:50] <macness> bcm4218 to be exact
[08:50] <bevege> anyone have ubuntu running on an emac?
[08:50] <canine_kouji> macness: you must extract the firmware out of the drivers included for bcm43xx and place them in /lib/firmware
[08:51] <holycow> canine_kouji, your kidding
[08:51] <holycow> why is that manual?
[08:51] <macness> canine_how
[08:51] <canine_kouji> I have 4 acer aspires here, had to use fwcutter to extract the fw files from the .sys files
[08:51] <baysider> !fdisk
[08:51] <holycow> canine_kouji, wow
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:51] <canine_kouji> holycow: its with most cards, same situation with the intel wireless drivers, but ubuntu includes them by default, even though they're closed source
[08:52] <R0cK3T> can someone walk me through a quake 3 install on ubuntu (amd 64/ati xpress 200m)?  I am confused to the point where i don't even know where to start!
[08:52] <canine_kouji> well sorry, I assumed that is what you were doing :) I'm from BSD land ;)
[08:52] <Arafangion> canine_kouji: I have an Acer V6V - Ubuntu works flawlessly, everything works (Modem, firewire, infra untested)
[08:52] <ba> holycow, im from saskatoon myself
[08:52] <R0cK3T> can you even play q3 online with linux?
[08:52] <canine_kouji> Arafangion: right, and some acers don't use broadcom
[08:52] <holycow> ba, cool
[08:53] <canine_kouji> I personally perfer marvell, but they're closed source, and the opensource drivers dont't work very well.
[08:53] <macness> canine_kouji: dmesg?
[08:53] <canine_kouji> macness: dmesg|grep .fw
[08:53] <swuboo> Rocket: I don't see why you wouldn't be able to play online, but unfortunately I'm a UT guy, so I have no idea how to help you.
[08:54] <npster> hi. how do you create a new folder in terminal ?
[08:54] <Timsen> mkdir foldername
[08:54] <swuboo> mkdir NAME
[08:54] <macness> canine_kouji:error's all the way
[08:54] <npster> OK
[08:54] <canine_kouji> macness: pastebin please
[08:55] <macness> canine_kouji:its really long
[08:55] <canine_kouji> macness: select with mouse, go to pastebin, then mouse3 it
[08:55] <R0cK3T> swuboo: ut2k4 is also my game of choice
[08:55] <R0cK3T> but q3 is next best
[08:55] <Homer> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo sleep 5 && echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state
[08:55] <Homer> bash: /sys/power/state: Permission denied
[08:56] <R0cK3T> and i know ut2k4 doesn't work on linux
[08:56] <FirstStrike> .........
[08:56] <swuboo> Heh.  I didn't mean 2k4.  I meant GOTY.
[08:56] <R0cK3T> o i wouldn't even attempt it
[08:56] <Homer> why is permission denied if I'm using sudo?
[08:56] <fredl> 'ello. Anybody know why I get  phpwiki: Depends: php4-sqlite but it is not going to be installed
[08:56] <FirstStrike> ut2k4 runs fine on linux
[08:56] <cherubiel> Homer: give sudo for the echo too
[08:56] <myUserName> can someone tell me how to get azureus to dock on the menuBar ages ago when i used 5.04 of ubuntu i never had a problem with this i guess the new version of gnome screwed it up How do i fix this?
[08:56] <cherubiel> :P
[08:56] <FirstStrike> hell, there's a linux installer
[08:56] <highvoltage> fredl: is the user in the 'admin' group?
[08:56] <fredl> highvoltage, yes, root.
[08:56] <R0cK3T> i dunno if it would run so well tho
[08:56] <swuboo> Rocket:  I'm pretty sure FirstStrike's right.   Might want to look into it.
[08:56] <fredl> highvoltage, sudo apt-get install phpwiki
[08:57] <FirstStrike> um
[08:57] <FirstStrike> it runs FINE
[08:57] <Homer> cherubiel,  sudo sleep 5 && sudo echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state
[08:57] <Homer>  ?
[08:57] <R0cK3T> whats fps?
[08:57] <FirstStrike> the linux installer is on the actual cd/dvd
[08:57] <highvoltage> oic :)
[08:57] <FirstStrike> jesus
[08:57] <cherubiel> Homer: bang on :P
[08:57] <R0cK3T> heh
[08:57] <FirstStrike> you're pretty clueless aren't you?
[08:57] <R0cK3T> really
[08:57] <nuxord> he
[08:57] <nuxord> hey
[08:57] <fredl> highvoltage, any other recommendation for a wiki engine?
[08:57] <R0cK3T> yeah man
[08:57] <swuboo> FirstStrike:  I suspect he's concerned about his hardware not being up to snuff, rather than an inherent flaw in the program.  Would explain why he's installing QIII instead of IV.
[08:57] <nuxord> how can i get .rar files to work in ubuntu?
[08:57] <Homer> sudo sleep 5 && sudo echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state
[08:57] <Homer> bash: /sys/power/state: Permission denied
[08:57] <Homer> :P
[08:57] <macness> canine_kouji: sorry im quite clueless at this second... pastebin?
[08:57] <nuxord> how can i get .rar files to work in ubuntu?
[08:57] <ardchoille> !rar
[08:57] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[08:57] <Madpilot> nuxord, of course
[08:57] <FirstStrike> I run it at 50 - 60 fps just fine
[08:58] <R0cK3T> hardware is to new i think actually
[08:58] <FirstStrike> Hell, I run half life 2 at 40 - 50 fps running in wine on linux
[08:58] <txoof_> I have a small hoby web/mail/whatever server that I occasionaly run X from.  What ubuntu distribution would probably be best for me?
[08:58] <FirstStrike> what do you mean.."to new"
[08:58] <FirstStrike> ...
[08:58] <fredl> nuxord - watching usenet pr0n?
[08:58] <R0cK3T> its a newer hp laptop
[08:58] <FirstStrike> i give up
[08:58] <R0cK3T> amd 64 bit
[08:58] <Homer> !sudo
[08:58] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:58] <R0cK3T> seems like nothing works with it
[08:59] <FirstStrike> if you run a 32 bit distro..it'll work fine
[08:59] <swuboo> Ahhh.
[08:59] <holycow> nuxord, install rar and unrar, then archiver will be able to extract them
[08:59] <swuboo> Yeah, that's your problem.
[08:59] <nuxord> ok thanks
[08:59] <R0cK3T> i can't get xgl, quake 3 or nothing working
[08:59] <nuxord> and yeah its porn :D
[08:59] <nuxord> is it that obvious?
[08:59] <fredl> nuxord - use pan :)
[08:59] <nuxord> pan?
[08:59] <macness> canine_kouji:still there???
[08:59] <ardchoille> !pan
[08:59] <ubotu> pan: A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 450 kB, installed size 3608 kB
[08:59] <FirstStrike> I have an AMD 64 3700+ processor
[08:59] <fredl> nuxord, from what I know only usenet pr0n has lots of .rar files
[08:59] <FirstStrike> I run the 32 bit distro of ubuntu
[08:59] <holycow> nuxord, lol
[09:00] <FirstStrike> All the games and apps I run work out of the box
[09:00] <FirstStrike> Including xgl and compiz
[09:00] <holycow> nuxord, you know its funny you joke about that
[09:00] <R0cK3T> hmm
[09:00] <swuboo> You're not gonna get fancy games up and running real easily on a 64bit install; if you want QuakeIII you're going to have to use the 32 bit version of Ubuntu.
[09:00] <nuxord> ahaha yeah its 3am and i am alone..porn is a solution
[09:00] <txoof_> What would be a sane way to add X to the server distribution of ubuntu?
[09:00] <R0cK3T> maybe that's my prob
[09:00] <holycow> it has occured to me that the biggest companiesx in the world PROVIDING porn these days are isps
[09:00] <myUserName> can someone tell me how to fix azureus docking on the gnome menu bar
[09:00] <holycow> its the ONLY reason anyone signs up for internet access frankly
[09:00] <holycow> lol
[09:00] <R0cK3T> i am runnin the x86_64 version of ubuntu
[09:00] <nuxord> ahaha so true
[09:00] <swuboo> That or use wine; I actually haven't had a problem running 32 bit wine in the 64 bit kernel.
[09:00] <fredl> txoof_, I think maybe sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:00] <FirstStrike> Download and install the 32 bit version
[09:01] <ardchoille> fredl: I was thinking the same
[09:01] <holycow> isps are not internet service providers, they infact are porn copmpanies now
[09:01] <txoof_> fredl: is there some where on the ubuntu web page that lists what all comes in that package?
[09:01] <fredl> txoof_, that should give you most the required packages I think.
[09:01] <nuxord> but sometimes i feel to guilty for watching porn, not that im religoius or anything..but. its so fake and its so obvious =\
[09:02] <fredl> txoof_, hmmm, dunno.
[09:02] <fredl> nuxord, yeah uhuh, and you also cooperate in the exploitation of women :P
[09:02] <txoof_> fredl: hhmm.  Thanks.  I'm contemplating moving my debian box over to ubuntu.  I dunno if it's worth the effort tho.
[09:02] <fredl> LOL
[09:02] <holycow> nuxord, there are some really good documentaries on the industry, its full of drug addicts and people with personality disfunctions
[09:02] <holycow> its really sad
[09:02] <fredl> txoof_, it was worth the effort for me.
[09:02] <ardchoille> txoof_: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, it pulls in all the required packages for the ubuntu desktop (gnome). the meta package itself is empty
[09:03] <txoof_> ardchoille: that's what I figured.
[09:03] <nuxord> :( curse you and your ability to make potent men become limp!
[09:03] <fredl> holycow, when you watch pr0n, do you care if she has a personality disfunction?
[09:03] <holycow> fredl, depends on your concience i guess
[09:03] <nuxord> i will care now!
[09:04] <txoof_> fredl: I think I might throw in an old hard drive and install ubuntu on it and see how it flys.
[09:04] <fredl> holycow, you're providing him/her with a way to make money right?
[09:04] <ardchoille> Folks, can we please take the pr0n talk to #ubuntu-offtopic please?
[09:04] <fredl> ardchoille, n/p
[09:04] <pequatre> hello. my computer has no sound this morning ?!! yet it wirks fien under windows ? is there something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for sound ?
[09:04] <holycow> fredl, i haven't spent a dime on anything, thus no
[09:04] <nuxord> ok ok, back onto ubuntu..whats with the name?
[09:04] <fredl> nuxord, ubuntu.com
[09:04] <nuxord> yar
[09:05] <fredl> explains it right there.
[09:05] <swuboo> Pequatre's question reminds me.  I have three sound jacks on my mobo.  Every time I go to plug in speakers, a different one will be live.
[09:05] <holycow> african word for 'humanity'
[09:05] <nuxord> :OO yeah, now i remmber
[09:05] <swuboo> Sometime's the center jack is live, sometimes the right-hand one.
[09:05] <fredl> as in "oh the humanity!"
[09:05] <swuboo> No apparent cause.
[09:05] <nuxord> HAHA fildo= dildo
[09:05] <nuxord> oosp
[09:05] <nuxord> oops
[09:05] <txoof_> thanks for the advice.  good night
[09:07] <fredl> so what engine runs on wiki.ubuntu.com I wonder
[09:07] <pequatre> anyone to help me troubleshoot my sound ?
[09:08] <holycow> !ask
[09:08] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:08] <Crippy-Boy> This is a pain in the arse
[09:08] <ardchoille> fredl: I always thought it was moinmoin
[09:08] <Crippy-Boy> Anyone want a mac?
[09:08] <holycow> not me, i try to stay away from proprietary platforms
[09:08] <fredl> ardchoille, tnx
[09:08] <holycow> i can't wait until we start to see mobos with openbios
[09:09] <swuboo> pequatre: Other than to suggest that you make sure no program is trying to use your soundcard, and make sure that you're using the correct output mixer, I have no real idea.
[09:09] <ardchoille> fredl: But, I could be way wrong
[09:09] <fredl> python-moinmoin I guess
[09:09] <Crippy-Boy> Well, if anyone wants one im about to dropkick it through my window.
[09:09] <UIE|Macros42> is the Linksys WMP54G supported out of the box on Ubuntu? I'm pretty much new to Linux but want to get started with it
[09:09] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, i wish i could help ... i donno much about instlaling ubuntu on a mac
[09:09] <swuboo> Crippy-Boy: Be aware that that may void you warranty.
[09:09] <nuxord> i installed unara and i am trying to use the sudo ln -s command but it only tells me 'file exists' and dosent really do anything
[09:10] <Crippy-Boy> Trying to set it up with wireless for my sister, Apple make it so hard to use a wireless card thats not their own
[09:10] <holycow> ln -s?
[09:10] <holycow> what
[09:10] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, I don't know for sure about Ubuntu 6.0 but on 5.0 it took a little bit of tweaking to do so
[09:10] <holycow> just right click and extracyt
[09:10] <R0cK3T> why doesn't anything work with 64 bit version of ubuntu?... you'd think it would be better than 32 bit... I just don't get it
[09:10] <ompaul> !airport
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about airport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <pequatre> WTF  ???!! The "PCM" slider (?) in the mixer was at the bottom ??!! i surely didn't move it myself. Anyway, that was the root of the "problem". Strange ??!!
[09:10] <UIE|Macros42> fredl: I couldn't get it working on 5 - and gave up :D Going to give it a better try now tho on 6
[09:10] <pequatre> now i can hear the sounds.
[09:11] <Crippy-Boy> holycow: No worries, i can already do that, but im leaving os x on since ive got more chance setting up wireless on it. (im using a none airport usb adaptor that has linux drivers but x86 binary only) *screams*
[09:11] <holycow> R0cK3T, 64 bit thing really doesn't result in a huge performance boost out of very specific workloads
[09:11] <Crippy-Boy> Big useless pile of white shite. </rant
[09:11] <Crippy-Boy> >
[09:11] <holycow> you only really gain in performance for things like VERY VERY large databases and specialty apps.  there isn't a lot that actually can use 64 bit fully.
[09:12] <OmniD> Rendering
[09:12] <holycow> yeah that too
[09:12] <OmniD> Highly detailed 3 dimensional scenes
[09:12] <OmniD> I mean
[09:12] <R0cK3T> ha
[09:13] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, you tried the ndiswrapper?
[09:13] <R0cK3T> i could just imagion tryin to install maya or 3dsmax on this shit
[09:13] <holycow> there is a 64 bit max?
[09:13] <holycow> i didn't know that
[09:13] <OmniD> Best 3D program for Linux is Blender right?
[09:13] <holycow> maya 64 bit was just announced
[09:13] <R0cK3T> i dunno
[09:13] <nuxord> im having trouble unraring things, i do the sudo ln -s command with the location, but it oly tells me 'creating symbolic link' and the 'file exists'what do i do
[09:13] <holycow> maybe you mean 64 bit blender or xsi
[09:13] <ISOLATEDViRuS> my friend is installing ubuntu onto his pc, and during the installation he gets an error message about the kernal sync, what might eb wrong?
[09:13] <OmniD> XSI?
[09:13] <UIE|Macros42> fredl: tried it but wasn't too sure what I was doing tbh :D
[09:13] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, one of the big problems with some wireless cards is that some use other chipsets than the other.
[09:13] <holycow> nuxord, dude, c'mon man
[09:14] <nuxord> im new!
[09:14] <Elive_user65> open with archive manager
[09:14] <UIE|Macros42> so I see - just looking at the forums now
[09:14] <swuboo> I'm using the 64bit k8 kernel, and I must say it does seem to be overkill, considering I mainly use Firefox, nethack, and LaTeX.
[09:14] <holycow> nuxord, please stop using some nonsense commands, right click on rar and unzip
[09:14] <holycow> thats it bro
[09:14] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, so you get for example two WMP54G's and they both have a completely different chipset.
[09:14] <Elive_user65> nuxord right click the first rar, open with archive manager
[09:14] <nuxord> or, it wont unzip, even tho iv installed unrar..wont regonize the file =\
[09:14] <UIE|Macros42> I'm downloading the live cd now - for installation on a different box - so I'll have this window open screaming for help a lot I'd say ;)
[09:14] <swuboo> Although when I accidentally clicked the "Open All in New Window" button on the BBC RSS feed, CPU usage peaked at 60%.
[09:14] <holycow> nuxord, i know your new, thats why i hate repeating my answers to your repeated questions
[09:14] <holycow> its annoying, please read suggestions :)
[09:14] <nuxord> 'archive type not supported'
[09:14] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, what you basically do with ndiswrappers is to install your windows drivers that come with the card.
[09:14] <Crippy-Boy> Hold on! i found an open source linux driver for it :D
[09:15] <holycow> nuxord, install rar too
[09:15] <Crippy-Boy> Hopefully i can install ubuntu and compile the driver
[09:15] <UIE|Macros42> fredl: really? windows drivers?
[09:15] <holycow> nuxord, i told you to install rar AND unrar :)
[09:15] <nuxord> wtf is rar, i cant find anything called 'rar'
[09:15] <foo> Here is my xorg.conf: http://x01.ath.cx:81/temp/xorg.conf ... I have an IBM G97 monitor (19", black). http://ostg.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=532914/ - here are the specs on the monitor. I have random flickers on my screen. I am in 1600x1200. Any ideas?
[09:15] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, yeah I think so.
[09:15] <ardchoille> !rar > nuxord
[09:15] <nuxord> yar?
[09:15] <ISOLATEDViRuS> my friend is installing ubuntu onto his pc, and during the installation he gets an error message about the kernal sync, what might eb wrong?
[09:15] <Elive_user65> jar?
[09:15] <UIE|Macros42> fredl: ok - I have windoze on that box atm so I'll see if I can get the chipset before wiping it
[09:15] <Elive_user65> har
[09:15] <nuxord> !rar
[09:15] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, *ponder* I got it to work in the past with something else though, not ndiswrapper...
[09:15] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[09:15] <yoshiznit123> bar
[09:15] <Elive_user65> far
[09:15] <R0cK3T> is there anyway i can use 32 bit ubuntu without uninstalling?
[09:16] <Elive_user65> star
[09:16] <holycow> nuxord, no rar, you may need to add universe repositories to get it
[09:16] <nuxord> oh i did, nothign exists wit the name 'rar'
[09:16] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, but that was something from a commercial vendor, maybe I'm confusing ndis with that one.
[09:16] <holycow> nuxord, it does, stop that
[09:16] <OmniD> scar
[09:16] <Elive_user65> par
[09:16] <OmniD> war
[09:16] <nuxord> im serious!  i dont see it =\
[09:16] <ISOLATEDViRuS> grr
[09:16] <UIE|Macros42> fredl: ok - I'll try ndiswrapper first then if it doesn't install at the start
[09:17] <R0cK3T> like ubuntu 64 bit has to be compatible with 32 bit in the first place no?
[09:17] <nuxord> there is rarpd...
[09:17] <holycow> nuxord, i know you don't see it, it is there tho, only everyone uses it
[09:17] <R0cK3T> so there has to be some kind of work around
[09:17] <wetri> hi ! i just migrate from suse to kubuntu !!  its nice !!!!!!!!!!
[09:17] <fredl> UIE|Macros42, enjoy :) I found wireless cards to be a pain in the past until I got my aironet card :P
[09:17] <UIE|Macros42> I can wire it to the router to get started anyway but I will need wireless on it
[09:17] <Elive_user65> sudo apt-get install rar unrar
[09:17] <yoshiznit123> hey everybody, is there a way to use my wireless card as an access point?
[09:17] <yoshiznit123> any pointers to docs rather :-)
[09:18] <nuxord> dont play magic tricks on me, i am too young to be frightened with your crazy descsions about the blue or red pills!
[09:18] <fredl> yoshiznit123, I think so, search for ad-hoc
[09:18] <ardchoille> nuxord: rar is in multiverse
[09:18] <holycow> oh thats where it is
[09:18] <holycow> right, thx ardchoille
[09:18] <ISOLATEDViRuS> is bitlord or utorrent available for linux?
[09:18] <fredl> !ad-hoc
[09:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ad-hoc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:18] <Elive_user65> how many freakin torrent clients do you need
[09:18] <foo> Here is my xorg.conf: http://x01.ath.cx:81/temp/xorg.conf ... I have an IBM G97 monitor (19", black). http://ostg.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=532914/ - here are the specs on the monitor. I have random flickers on my screen. I am in 1600x1200. Any ideas?
[09:18] <R0cK3T> ad-hoc doesn't allow access to the net tho
[09:18] <ardchoille> nuxord: unrar is also in multiverse
[09:18] <ISOLATEDViRuS> i need one...
[09:19] <ardchoille> holycow: You're welcome :)
[09:19] <R0cK3T> ad hoc is only for a lan network i think
[09:19] <nuxord> then how can i see unrar and not rar?
[09:19] <Elive_user65> bittorrent should just fine then
[09:19] <holycow> ISOLATEDViRuS, gnome comes with one, its all you need imho
[09:19] <yoshiznit123> fredl, do you mean to set up an ad-hoc network? does that work for sharing internet access?
[09:19] <ardchoille> nuxord: you need to enable the multiverse repo
[09:19] <ISOLATEDViRuS> the normal torrent thing is horrible though
[09:19] <nuxord> how do i do that?
[09:19] <ardchoille> nuxord: then do: apt-cache search rar
[09:19] <ardchoille> !repos > nuxord
[09:19] <holycow> ISOLATEDViRuS, what more can you possibly need?
[09:19] <ISOLATEDViRuS> i wa over at my friend's house, and its much easier to manage the torrents and share them with utorrent or bitlord.
[09:19] <Elive_user65> i dont like this elive much, other than the eye candy
[09:19] <yoshiznit123> ardchoille, that gives way too many results btw :-)
[09:19] <nuxord> !repos
[09:19] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:19] <fredl> R0cK3T, well perhaps if you have an ethernet connection as well and use forwarding
[09:20] <ardchoille> yoshiznit123: Ah, yeah, good point
[09:20] <R0cK3T> unknown i guess
[09:20] <ISOLATEDViRuS> for starters, i dont need a screenful of little windows of each torrent im sharing, that woiuld be pretty nice to start..
[09:20] <holycow> is torrenting that l33t of an activity that one needs specialized clients?
[09:20] <holycow> just how much warez do you do on linux dude?
[09:20] <holycow> lol :)
[09:20] <yoshiznit123> holycow, not really, but something like utorrent would be nice for linux
[09:20] <swuboo> holycow: If one does enough of it, specialized clients are indeed helpful.
[09:20] <npster> hello someone ask a question
[09:20] <UIE|Macros42> one last q for the moment. will I be able to install Apache and PHP on the desktop version?
[09:20] <ISOLATEDViRuS> i dont want my screen full with torrent boxes
[09:21] <holycow> *shrug* i'll take your words for it :)
[09:21] <Elive_user65> distros come down nice and fast on wareztorrents
[09:21] <holycow> lol
[09:21] <holycow> ISOLATEDViRuS, i just right clickand send them to another desktop
[09:21] <ISOLATEDViRuS> yeah
[09:21] <ardchoille> UIE|Macros42: as long as you can access the correct repos, you can install them, yes
[09:21] <Elive_user65> personally i prefer newsgroups, pan 111 beta rocks
[09:21] <ISOLATEDViRuS> id like to keep it organized, instead of a shitton of little boxes all over the screen.
[09:21] <swuboo> Bah, everyone knows the correct way to get a distro is to wander onto the campus of a major research university, and then download it from the CS department of another research university two time zones away.
[09:21] <HesNikke1> anyone know where i can find a deb for sun java?
[09:21] <ISOLATEDViRuS> and the point of torrents are to share, thats what keeps it alive.
[09:22] <holycow> swuboo, lol, thats funny
[09:22] <UIE|Macros42> ardchoille: access them? you mean online? are there subscriptions required or just a connection?
[09:22] <fredl> Hmm, php5 is default on Dapper, correct?
[09:22] <Elive_user65> point of torrents is to get sued by riaa and mpaa
[09:22] <HesNikke1> the java that ubuntu gave me isn't working well with azureus
[09:22] <ardchoille> UIE|Macros42: just an internet connection
[09:22] <holycow> ISOLATEDViRuS, i guess i get what you mean now :)
[09:22] <UIE|Macros42> ardchoille: great - thanks
[09:22] <yoshiznit123> fredl, i've found some docs but all say you need a prism card... is it possible with bcm43xx
[09:22] <lostinc> Hi, any idea why VLC will play AVI and MPEG files but Totem wont?
[09:23] <fredl> I'm trying to install mediawiki but that gives a dependancy on PHP4 :/
[09:23] <ISOLATEDViRuS> have torrents gone on trial yet? i know they were deemed legal in some other countries.
[09:23] <Elive_user65> totem will play avi and mpeg but u have to install win32codecs first
[09:23] <Deaigo> %uu
[09:23] <ardchoille> lostinc: sounds like you're missing some codecs
[09:23] <Deaigo> %u you
[09:23] <holycow> lostinc, because vlc uses w32codecs package but the default totem-gstreamer is installed which doesn't
[09:23] <fredl> yoshiznit123, sorry I don't know if it works on your specific card.
[09:23] <mjr> lostinc, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[09:23] <Deaigo>  you
[09:23] <lostinc> Why is it that VLC can play them native then?
[09:23] <ardchoille> !restricted > lostinc
[09:23] <fredl> yoshiznit123, try and you will see :)
[09:23] <holycow> either install the right gstreamer plugins, or install totem-xine
[09:23] <holycow> either should work
[09:23] <nuxord> i have ever single repository option enabled, and still dont see rar!! YAR!
[09:24] <lostinc> Ill stick to VLC then I guess why install more for nothing.
[09:24] <holycow> oh weird
[09:24] <lostinc> Thanks for the info though
[09:24] <holycow> steve irwin is dead, killed by a stingray
[09:24] <Elive_user65> someone explained how that vlc thingy works to me once, but i forget, made my head hurt
[09:24] <holycow> Elive_user65, i just explained it, its pretty simple
[09:24] <holycow> :)
[09:24] <myUserName> Can Somone Please tell me if its possible to do remote desktop with out being logged in. i want to setup my other computer as a Remote desktop server so it is in bash 24\7 but so i can login via remote desktop and do stuff is this possible?? and how?
[09:24] <Elive_user65> automatix is great for installing all that illegal stuff
[09:25] <holycow> Elive_user65, oh no its not
[09:25] <holycow> !automatix
[09:25] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[09:25] <Arafangion> vlc?
[09:25] <holycow> NO ONE SHOULD USE AUTOMATIX
[09:25] <R0cK3T> can someone walk me through a quake 3 install on ubuntu (amd 64/ati xpress 200m)?  I am confused to the point where i don't even know where to start!
[09:25] <holycow> this needs to be permanently in the channel topic
[09:25] <ardchoille> Elive_user65: Please don't recommend automatix in this channel
[09:25] <holycow> and like in bold flasshing text on the wiki
[09:25] <FirstStrike> i ran automatix once and it didn't break anything.
[09:25] <holycow> damnit, why do people insist on using that
[09:25] <FirstStrike> i guess i didn't select any packages of doom.
[09:25] <Elive_user65> okay, can i reccomend easy ubuntu in here?
[09:25] <ardchoille> !worksforem > FirstStrike
[09:25] <yoshiznit123> holycow, why?
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worksforem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <ardchoille> !worksforme
[09:26] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:26] <holycow> eliphas_, easyubuntu doesn't break anything and dioesn't bypass the package manager
[09:26] <nuxord> i did apt-cahce search rar and it gave me a list, now how do i instal rar?
[09:26] <printk> I'm a little confused, why do you need automatix when you have apt that automates installation of items /
[09:26] <ardchoille> nuxord: sudo apt-get install rar
[09:26] <holycow> automatix on the other hand is created by a retarded clueby that decided bypassing VERY WELL TESTEED TECHNOLOGY TTHAT WORKS is actually a good idea
[09:26] <FirstStrike> ardchoille: i'm glad you went through the effort just to waste my time with that
[09:26] <Healot> unrar
[09:26] <mkquist> hey guys any way to reinstall the terminal?
[09:26] <holycow> printk, because people don't do their research and think it makes sense to use it
[09:27] <printk> ah :)
[09:27] <ardchoille> FirstStrike: Don't mention it :)
[09:27] <yoshiznit123> mkquist, sudo apt-get --reinstall install gnome-terminal
[09:27] <Elive_user65> what about easyubuntu? is that ok?? huh
[09:27] <holycow> easyubuntu is fine
[09:27] <Elive_user65> otay
[09:27] <mkquist> well it the terminal isnt working, then how?
[09:27] <mkquist> if*
[09:27] <nuxord> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:27] <nuxord> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:27] <nuxord> is only available from another source
[09:27] <nuxord> E: Package rar has no installation candidate
[09:27] <Elive_user65> cuz ive used automatix numerous times with no problems as i have easyubuntu
[09:27] <nuxord> what the bloody hell does that mean
[09:27] <fredl> Dapper *has* as default install PHP *5* right??
[09:27] <yoshiznit123> haha, you can drop back to the tty with Ctrl-Alt-F1, then use Alt-F2 to come back to the desktop
[09:27] <yoshiznit123> sorry, Alt-F7*
[09:28] <fredl> or am I hallucinating?
[09:28] <willzzz> hahaha
[09:28] <ardchoille> fredl: I believe php5 is the default, but I installed php4
[09:28] <nuxord> you mean alt+f4
[09:28] <ISOLATEDViRuS> how do i open something in wine?
[09:28] <fredl> ardchoille, coz it seems some packages are still based on PHP4
[09:28] <ardchoille> fredl: lots of them are, which is why I installed php4
[09:29] <yoshiznit123> nuxord, nah, alt-f7 is the X server i think
[09:29] <nuxord> ok i did sudo apt-get install rar ..........but it didnt work! help
[09:29] <ardchoille> fredl: I installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 and my php stuff works
[09:29] <fredl> ardchoille, hmmm PHP5 is so much nicer though
[09:29] <ardchoille> fredl: Tell that to all the php devs, lol
[09:29] <fredl> I wonder how backports work....
[09:30] <Elive_user65> nux: all i can tell u dude, is sthat rar and unrar are in there, enable multiverse in synaptic repository settings
[09:30] <fredl> since I found a 'Mediawiki 1.7 backport for Dapper'
[09:30] <fredl> is it generally a wise thing to enable backports?
[09:31] <ardchoille> fredl: Are you good with mySQL?
[09:31] <fredl> Hmm I *have* backports commented out in my sources.list
[09:31] <nuxord> help me, sudo apt-get install rar dosent work
[09:31] <fredl> ardchoille, yeah fairly good, why?
[09:31] <fredl> nuxord, what's the error message you're getting then?
[09:31] <holycow> nuxord, dont forget to update apt after you add repost
[09:31] <ardchoille> nuxord: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin please?
[09:31] <holycow> sudo apt-get update first
[09:31] <holycow> then do the sudo install part
[09:31] <ardchoille> fredl: Just curious, I don't know much of mySQL and that's why I chose a wiki that doesn't need it
[09:32] <ardchoille> holycow: Good catch, there
[09:32] <nuxord> Reading package lists... Done
[09:32] <nuxord> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:32] <nuxord> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:32] <nuxord> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:32] <nuxord> is only available from another source
[09:32] <nuxord> E: Package rar has no installation candidate
[09:32] <fredl> ardchoille, ah I see. No, for me having Wiki stuff in mysql makes it even nicer since it's easier to search through it from other apps.
[09:32] <ardchoille> nuxord: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin please?
[09:32] <Madpilot> nuxord, pastebin next time1
[09:32] <Madpilot> !, even ;)
[09:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about even ;) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:32] <Madpilot> ... shut up, bot.
[09:32] <ardchoille> fredl: Hmm.. I may have to learn mySQL :)
[09:33] <ardchoille> Madpilot: hahaha
[09:33] <fredl> ardchoille, it's real simple.
[09:33] <nuxord> i am not sure what you mean..what is /etc/apt/sources? list to pastebin mean
[09:33] <holycow> i never understood how anyone can use that other piece of junk :)
[09:33] <fredl> well I never really used postgres for a long time. I'm hearing it's much more complete than mysql though.
[09:33] <Bonez> http://xkcd.com/c149.html
[09:34] <brainiac_ghost> has anyone got a ur054g (inventel) wireless adaptor working (the one that comes with a livebox
[09:34] <Arafangion> fredl: One word: Referential Integrety
[09:34] <gansinho> hey guys I need a little help, a nice guy from ubuntu-xgl wants to ssh in here... how do I do that?
[09:34] <Arafangion> *integrity
[09:34] <holycow> just google mysql vs postgres
[09:34] <ardchoille> nuxord: You really need to learn how your package manager works, before you go doing much else.
[09:34] <fredl> Arafangion, that's in mysql 5 too though, right?
[09:34] <holycow> basically with any of the comparison matrices you will simply see that mysql isn't a real db
[09:34] <holycow> its basically a joke
[09:34] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, 1, apt-get install screen
[09:34] <nuxord> i feel to silly =\
[09:34] <Arafangion> fredl: I personally dislike the way that mysql handles default values and the way it handles case sensitivity and the NULL value.
[09:34] <nuxord> but i really wanna unrar my porn
[09:34] <holycow> its good enough for one off quickies, but i can't imagine actually using it for a real project
[09:35] <Arafangion> holycow: Personally, for a quickie, I'd use sqlite
[09:35] <nuxord> ahaha i dont think i can imagine how that sounded to you
[09:35] <gansinho> brainiac_ghost: ok!
[09:35] <holycow> Arafangion, heh, *nod*
[09:35] <Arafangion> holycow: What I also don't get is how insanely complex ORM's are.
[09:35] <fredl> didn't postgres get a big developper influx when mysql made itself impopular with their licensing scheme?
[09:35] <mkquist_> help reinstalling terminal?
[09:36] <Arafangion> holycow: I looked at three, tried two, and ended up writing my replacement - does everything I need, and in less than 300 lines!
[09:36] <yoshiznit123> has anybody here successfully set up their ubuntu computer as a wireless access point?
[09:36] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, start screen by typing screen
[09:36] <foo> Here is my xorg.conf: http://x01.ath.cx:81/temp/xorg.conf ... I have an IBM G97 monitor (19", black). http://ostg.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=532914/ - here are the specs on the monitor. I have random flickers on my screen. I am in 1600x1200. Any ideas?
[09:36] <CharonX> I am trying to run wine but it cannot fine libncurses.so.5 but I have it installed in /lib/ I put /lib on my path but wine still cannot find it ? I am running a amd 64
[09:36] <ardchoille> mkquist_: Can you CTRL+ALT+F2 and run the necessary sudo apt-get commands?
[09:36] <nuxord> bloody hell, i am lost
[09:36] <holycow> lol, yeah mate, i do haveto say tho that mysql really was a lot faster than postgres when it started out
[09:36] <fredl> screen? does that still exist? now there's a tool that rocked when X didn't work so well :)
[09:37] <holycow> and pg did have a deserved slowness rep back then
[09:37] <holycow> thats all changed for a long time now tho
[09:37] <CharonX> Anyone know how I can force wine to find that lib or how to fix it so it just finds it ?
[09:37] <gansinho> brainiac_ghost: ok... I pressed space and nothing happened...
[09:37] <ardchoille> fredl: I still run irssi+elinks+mutt+bash in screen
[09:37] <Elive_user65> next time reach for the sky
[09:37] <fredl> holycow, well that's the period I tried postgres in I guess :) and tossed it in the corner :)
[09:37] <Arafangion> holycow: By sacrificing ACID and the like, which are fundamental for good, reliable database foundations, sure.
[09:37] <mick_home> hi everyone, i'm curious if anyone can tell me how likely a deb that runs on debian will work on ubuntu
[09:37] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, right did it clear your screen?
[09:37] <ardchoille> fredl: There are days that I log in and never use X
[09:38] <holycow> Arafangion, *nod*, pg is really a good performer these days even with the overhead you get with acid support
[09:38] <gansinho> brainiac_ghost: yep...
[09:38] <Elive_user65> mick: who knows, try it and find out, the worse is youll get a error message
[09:38] <fredl> ardchoille, I used to use screen often when I was still on a modem, I'd remotely start something from my modem connection and when I came to the uni I could simply attach the running session.
[09:38] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, that is what is meant to happen
[09:38] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, :)
[09:38] <ardchoille> mick_home: It is not a good idea to use debian .deb packages on Ubuntu. Search the repos for the app you need or find an Ubuntu .deb
[09:38] <gansinho> thanks
[09:38] <mkquist_> ardchoille - e:invalid record in the preference file, no package header
[09:39] <mick_home> basically, I'm working on a deb and a friend of mine uses ubuntu -- i wanted to know how easy it would be to work on both
[09:39] <gansinho> brainiac_ghost: but I want to let a person who's trying to help me ssh in here...
[09:39] <ardchoille> fredl: Yeah, I can attach this chat session from any of the other 10 computers in my house
[09:39] <Arafangion> mick_home: If you absolutely must use a debian packge on Ubuntu, I highly recommend you use a source package, and compile it.
[09:39] <fredl> ardchoille, that remark on Debian needs some refinement IMO :) it is really not a good idea that Ubuntu .deb's differ so much from Debian .deb's :)
[09:39] <mick_home> ardchoille, that is impossible in my situation ;)
[09:39] <mick_home> fredl, that is what i was thinking
[09:39] <Arafangion> fredl: They don't really differ much at all - it's hte *dependencies* that differ.
[09:39] <mick_home> the only requirements are: (c)make, libtiff and libpng atm
[09:39] <ISOLATEDViRuS> my friend gets this error... Kernel Panic - not syncing! Fatal recognition in interrupt
[09:39] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, this just lets you see what he's typing, can never be too secure :)
[09:39] <fredl> but anyway, no Debian/Ubuntu fights :)
[09:40] <ardchoille> fredl: I think it's a path difference
[09:40] <ISOLATEDViRuS> what is wrong?
[09:40] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, don't want him to rm -rf /* your hard drive
[09:40] <holycow> and the dependencies are different FOR DEBIAN REASONS
[09:40] <nuxord> if i try to do apt-get update it wont allow me, why?
[09:40] <Arafangion> ISOLATEDViRuS: Turn off caps please.
[09:40] <nuxord> 13 permissions denied it says
[09:40] <Elive_user65> how bout some ubuntu and feespire fights?
[09:40] <holycow> you guys haveto remember that ubuntu FREEZES debian unstable EVERY 6 MONTHS
[09:40] <brainiac_ghost> holycow, what, old depreceated rubbish reasons
[09:40] <holycow> debian unstable changes from day to day
[09:40] <fredl> nuxord, you typed 'sudo' in front of your apt-get update, right?
[09:40] <gansinho> nuxord: type sudo before it
[09:40] <ardchoille> nuxord: Do you have synaptic open?
[09:41] <holycow> therefore if you wait two days after release, debian unstable and ubuntu will have diverged
[09:41] <Arafangion> holycow: Personally, I feel that they should have 12-month cycles, not 6-months.
[09:41] <nuxord> no i dont but no i didnt type sudo =\
[09:41] <Arafangion> holycow: 6-months is just insane.
[09:41] <fredl> holycow, true....
[09:41] <ardchoille> nuxord: need sudo for some apt-get commands
[09:41] <holycow> thus the dependencies are different, BUT NOT for any of the reasons a lot of dd's bitch about
[09:41] <mick_home> holycow, i'm creating the package for testing (most likely)
[09:41] <holycow> Arafangion, at first i was really excited by the 6 moht thing, i really  like testing out new stuff
[09:41] <mick_home> sid is too much of a headache ;)
[09:41] <holycow> Arafangion, but in productions absolutely
[09:41] <nuxord> i really need to get reading on ubuntu a bit more, i have no clue what these commands mean
[09:41] <ardchoille> holycow: Really? I never knew that
[09:41] <holycow> i am now of the same opinion Arafangion
[09:41] <mkquist_> anyone, cant use terminal, and now apt-get is buggered..
[09:42] <gansinho> brainiac_ghost: I'm in pvt...
[09:42] <holycow> ardchoille, yes its true.  in other words ubuntu holds VERY CLOSE to debian
[09:42] <fredl> why is 6 months insane?
[09:42] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, is multiverse enabled?
[09:42] <holycow> its not a fork at all, just a clever way to package debian unstable
[09:42] <printk> with a fast pace changing enviroment 6 months seems reasonable to me
[09:42] <mick_home> holycow, so i guess i should be fine then
[09:42] <holycow> printk, not in production, let me tell you
[09:42] <Elive_user65> id just like to see ubuntu get their freaking xorg updates right myself
[09:42] <holycow> for my servers i want no less than a release every two years
[09:42] <Arafangion> holycow: Do you have a website that documents this, btw?
[09:42] <printk> yah not in production definitely
[09:43] <mick_home> the requirements aren't that big and they seem pretty standard
[09:43] <printk> i'd run LTS for 5 years
[09:43] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, if it is type apt-get install ssh
[09:43] <printk> since it's supported
[09:43] <printk> i mean workstation
[09:43] <holycow> even that is frickin retarded for servers, desktop, at most once a year for me in productions
[09:43] <holycow> Arafangion, no, i should put it on the wiki
[09:43] <gansinho> brainiac_ghost:  I'm newb enought to doesn't understand what multiverse is
[09:43] <ISOLATEDViRuS> My friend gets this error, what is wrong?  Kernel Panic - not syncing! Fatal recognition in interrupt
[09:43] <holycow> mick_home, for the most part yes you should be fine
[09:43] <Arafangion> holycow: I was hoping for at least a mailing list thread ;)
[09:43] <fredl> anybody know how I can find out what's in the backports repository?
[09:43] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:43] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, :)
[09:43] <ardchoille> holycow: If you do put it in the wiki, please give us the URL. I'd like to readi abot it.
[09:44] <holycow> mick_home, basically it will either work or you will be told about the dependency in which case recompile
[09:44] <nuxord> how can i "paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin please?"
[09:44] <mick_home> what do i do to get the package into ubuntu (don't tell me it is like becoming a dd)
[09:44] <fredl> !pastebin
[09:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:44] <holycow> Arafangion, lol, why? i thought it was common knowledge
[09:44] <pustota1> question: where can I get some guidelines about how to configure kernel and compile it under ubuntu and still have working system afterwards ;-)
[09:44] <pustota1> ?
[09:44] <Arafangion> holycow: It is not common knowledge.
[09:44] <holycow> i think i'll create a wiki webpage on this and use marks neato diagram of how the tangential fork works
[09:44] <pustota1> or plain vanilla kernel howto would do ?
[09:44] <holycow> Arafangion, really?
[09:44] <holycow> weird
[09:44] <holycow> okay time for some edumacation!
[09:45] <ardchoille> fredl: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[09:45] <Flannel> !tell pustota1 about kernel
[09:45] <holycow> people treat ubuntu as a separate distro
[09:45] <printk> !kernel
[09:45] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[09:45] <holycow> its not really
[09:45] <holycow> its just a special case of debian
[09:45] <gansinho> brainiac_ghost: I've installed it
[09:45] <gansinho> ssh
[09:45] <holycow> plus or minus some niceness 10 million a year of marks dollars buys you
[09:45] <printk> uhrm it is technically a diff distro
[09:45] <printk> with strong ties to debian
[09:45] <Xorlev> Okay, so I had to reinstall my system. I kept my home directory and restored upon reinstall, and for some reason none of my KDE settings are being shown?
[09:45] <printk> diff repo, diff installation system.
[09:45] <fredl> ardchoille, there's no clever apt-search command or something for that?
[09:45] <mick_home> holycow, so becoming a dev is impossible w/o committing 5 yrs of your life to the project :)
[09:46] <ardchoille> fredl: There may be, but I don't know what it is
[09:46] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, sudo /etc/init.d/(the one that sounds SSH like, probably sshd or openssh)
[09:46] <holycow> mick_home, with linux after 5 years your only a noob :)
[09:46] <R0cK3T> can someone tell me how to get all the 32 bit libraries so i can install q3?
[09:46] <brainiac_ghost> gansinho, e.g. /etc/init.d/sshd start
[09:46] <mick_home> holycow, you misunderstood
[09:46] <nuxord> how can i install rar, nothing works, i type sudo apt-get install rar but it denies it..help
[09:46] <printk> nuxord: what does "it denies it" mean?
[09:46] <mick_home> holycow, i was refering to the fact that it takes that long to become a dd (give or take)
[09:46] <holycow> !package
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <holycow> !packages
[09:46] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[09:46] <redondo81> Hi boys,good morning
[09:47] <Crippy-Boy> sudo apt-get install unrar i believe
[09:47] <ardchoille> nuxord: Now can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin?
[09:47] <Elive_user65> nuxord, last time im telling you this, listen up!
[09:47] <holycow> nuxord, search that site for it, download deb, double click on it to install
[09:47] <fredl> !pastebin > nuxord
[09:47] <R0cK3T> is there anyway i can use the apt-get-install cmd to install all the 32 bit libraries?
[09:47] <mick_home> 7zip also works (if unrar isn't)
[09:47] <ardchoille> fredl: Thank you :)
[09:47] <holycow> mick_home, oh haha!
[09:47] <holycow> mick_home, hehe missed that, yeah, funny :)
[09:47] <Elive_user65> nuxord, open synaptic, select repositories, add, then check both empty boxes, then update synaptic then search for rar
[09:47] <nuxord> i type /etc/apt/sources.list and every combination with it and nothing works =\
[09:47] <nuxord> Reading package lists... Done
[09:47] <nuxord> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:47] <nuxord> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:47] <nuxord> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:47] <nuxord> is only available from another source
[09:47] <nuxord> E: Package rar has no installation candidate
[09:47] <Arafangion> nuxord: PASTEBIN
[09:47] <nuxord> all empty boxes are clicked on
[09:47] <ardchoille> nuxord: PASTEBIN!
[09:47] <redondo81> I have a problem, I have to reinstall windows xp on my pc after I installed linux kubuntu,but if I install windows xp now, it doen't see linux in the booting
[09:47] <mick_home> holycow, still didn't get my question answered ;)
[09:48] <Xorlev> Is there any reason why my KDE is not showing my previous settings when using my old /home/username directory after reinstall?
[09:48] <Crippy-Boy> nuxord: the package is unrar not rar
[09:48] <R0cK3T> whats the pastebin?
[09:48] <fredl> LOL nuxord won't use the pastebin, PERIOD LOLOL
[09:48] <Arafangion> ardchoille: Thanks, I forgot the '!' :)
[09:48] <redondo81> what can I do?
[09:48] <ardchoille> Arafangion: :)
[09:48] <nuxord> bloody ell unrar is installed
[09:48] <fredl> !pastebin > R0cK3T
[09:48] <mick_home> redondo81, install windows first. it must be in the first part of the boot sector - then install linux
[09:49] <mick_home> anyone in here an ubuntu dev?
[09:49] <Flannel> redondo81: you'll need to restore grub, let me get you a link
[09:49] <Flannel> redondo81: help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:49] <redondo81> ok, thanks I'll read it
[09:49] <ardchoille> fredl: I actually found that link by mistake. I was curious about the URL's in sources.list so I visited them and lo and behold it listed all that stuff
[09:49] <mick_home> Flannel, would that work if linux is on the first part of the drive?
[09:50] <fredl> ardchoille, well it works alright....
[09:50] <mick_home> that might be an old technical restriction
[09:50] <fredl> ardchoille, but it's kind of a pain to search through the subdirectories, since I'm lazy
[09:50] <Flannel> mick_home: that'll work regardless.  Of course, WINDOWS needs to be hda1,
[09:50] <R0cK3T> isn't pastebin a lil extreme for 5 lines of txt?
[09:50] <Arafangion> R0cK3T: No.
[09:51] <nuxord> ardchoille i am not sure wtf the /ect/stuff/ is but is this what you wanted?
[09:51] <holycow> not for a chan with 800 members
[09:51] <nuxord> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22510
[09:51] <xhaan> windows can also be hdb1 if you trick it with grub :0
[09:51] <nuxord> i need grub
[09:51] <fredl> R0cK3T, too many people on here sometimes, it's hard enough as it is to keep track of more than 1 conversation at the same timer
[09:51] <nuxord> im starving
[09:51] <xhaan> heh
[09:52] <R0cK3T> true eh
[09:52] <R0cK3T> lol
[09:52] <R0cK3T> i just had chilli's
[09:52] <R0cK3T> two of em :P
[09:52] <fredl> nuxord, that's good, you now understand pastebin.  Open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor, copy/paste the contents to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org, then give me the URL so I can see why you're having this problem.
[09:53] <fredl> nuxord, it's a file. Yoiu need to cut and paste the contents of that file to pastebin
[09:53] <holycow> nuxord, you have a lot to learn and it seems  you have hit a bit of a wall
[09:54] <fredl> holycow, understatement of the year :) but hey, we've all been there!
[09:54] <nuxord> you mean terminal or test editor?
[09:54] <holycow> nuxord, might i kindly suggest that you sleep it off?  seriously, when you get back tommorrow, i guarantee your /etc/apt/sources.list will be there :)
[09:54] <ardchoille> nuxord: did I say terminal?
[09:54] <holycow> i used to get that a lot when i started out too
[09:54] <holycow> fredl, oh man, and i haven't forgotten it either :)
[09:54] <nuxord> i actually have gotten about 5 hours sleep in the last 2 days
[09:54] <di0rz`> hi
[09:54] <holycow> nuxord, :) lol i trullly ADMIRE your determination :)
[09:54] <fredl> holycow, I've forgotten a long long time ago.
[09:54] <Madpilot> nuxord, that might not be the best starting point for learning Linux :)
[09:55] <holycow> nuxord, we really are trying to help.
[09:55] <xhaan> nuxord, yes open terninal and type cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:55] <cbgb> hi there, anyone know hows to setup wlan with a RT61 chip?
[09:55] <fredl> holycow, and that for pr0n. I think pr0n is the best motivation for people to learn Linux :P
[09:55] <holycow> nuxord, appologies for the frustration.  do remember that everything you learned on windows is wrong.  if we could magically make you unlearn windows all this would seem a lot easier to be honest :)
[09:55] <holycow> hehe
[09:55] <glick> numist, read this http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ then you wont look like a foo
[09:55] <holycow> fredl, hehe :)
[09:55] <ISOLATEDViRuS> Kernel Panic - not syncing!  I don't think he was listening as well as he should have been
[09:58] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, yes, there is a stage after that ... its the part where you start to UNLEARN everything you learned on windows
[09:58] <fredl> It just seems that anything that's cool opensource and gets taken for a ride by any commercial company loses it's cool very quickly doesn't it?
[09:58] <mopflite> holycow: novell are hopeless at marketing, full stop - from experience, they would struggle with any product, no matter how good it was
[09:58] <Crippy-Boy> xhaan: was that really needed, 2 people told me previously.
[09:58] <Crippy-Boy> And im sorry
[09:58] <Crippy-Boy> It was just emphasisng my point :-)
[09:58] <Crippy-Boy> Wont do it again
[09:58] <holycow> windows is a system based on a single user DOS environment paradigm.  everything they do follows from that and everything is simply tacked onto that paradigm
[09:59] <ardchoille> The person who introduced me to Linux made me use it for two months without X. Today, I am very glad she did it that way :)
[09:59] <foo> I followed the ubuntu wiki on setting up flgrx and it broke my X. Here is my config and log ...  http://x01.ath.cx:81/temp/xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log ... any ideas?
[09:59] <holycow> mopflite, i'm starting to think the same
[09:59] <fredl> see, when Ubuntu gets bought by Microsoft...
[09:59] <holycow> mopflite, they have such an amazing distribution system
[09:59] <holycow> what they need to do is just drop suse
[09:59] <holycow> and adopt ubuntu, right now
[09:59] <Crippy-Boy> Lol fredl: that makes no sense
[09:59] <fredl> pretty soon very much less people will be using Microsoft-Ubuntu :-)
[09:59] <holycow> and use their support and distribution channels to push it forward
[09:59] <holycow> they would save money and time
[10:00] <mopflite> holycow: for example, novell groupwise is a great product - it should have higher market share than microsoft exchange - the only reason it isn't is due to novell's marketing and commercial shortcomings
[10:00] <glick> ubuntu in baby blue is so nice, that should be the default
[10:00] <holycow> mopflite, indeed
[10:00] <yoshiznit123> http://www.mslinux.org/
[10:00] <printk> most don't even know what novell groupwise is :)
[10:00] <printk> which should tell you something
[10:00] <mopflite> s/isn't/doesn't
[10:00] <fredl> holycow, corporate companies just don't work that way. They feel they need to have some control over what's going on.
[10:00] <Crippy-Boy> what would MS do with aload of GPL'd code.
[10:00] <holycow> printk, indeed
[10:00] <holycow> fredl, i totally agree with you.
[10:00] <bushblowz> in linux how to tell what the IP of the box you are on is
[10:00] <Crippy-Boy> Not to mention they dont need to BUY anything :-)
[10:00] <xhaan> i just know it says novell on top of my compiz cube :p
[10:00] <bushblowz> in knoppix
[10:01] <glick> bushblowz, ifconfig
[10:01] <fredl> holycow, and once the control factor kicks in, developpers run away screaming.
[10:01] <ardchoille> Crippy-Boy: What makes you think there isn't a ton of GPL'd code in Window's code base now?
[10:01] <R0cK3T> does ubuntu have lynx?
[10:01] <holycow> fredl, i have been thinking about this and you totally hit it on the head.  it is really really hard tounlearn old ways of doing things ... i can see why they would shy away from community based stuff
[10:01] <ardchoille> R0cK3T: It's in the repos
[10:01] <mopflite> bushblowz: running ifconfig should tell you
[10:01] <glick> R0cK3T, you can apt get it
[10:01] <holycow> fredl, i really think that canonical can make mint off of support for ubuntu
[10:01] <ardchoille> !info lynx
[10:01] <R0cK3T> repos?
[10:01] <ubotu> lynx: Text-mode WWW Browser. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.5-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1074 kB, installed size 4552 kB
[10:01] <gerhard> Since I use fglrx, my computer doesnt shut down correctly. i only have a black screen and i have to disconnect it from the power. how do i correct that?
[10:01] <holycow> our company is ready to start buying support for it
[10:01] <bushblowz> thanks glick
[10:01] <Crippy-Boy> ardchoille: The fact that itd be illegal, and however stupid ms are i dont think theyd risk that kinda thing, And the win 2k code leak that turned up no gpl'd code
[10:02] <fredl> holycow, well, if commercial companies that offer 'test packages' would make Ubuntu packages, it'd rock.
[10:02] <yoshiznit123> if Microsoft GPL'ed all their code and opened development, would you help
[10:02] <fredl> holycow, like Oracle does.
[10:02] <ardchoille> Crippy-Boy: It would surprise me.. seeing as how they steal from everyone else
[10:02] <Crippy-Boy> Though i think they lifted half the tcp/ip stack code from BSD in one of the windows versions, but thats just rumor, Which is permitted by the BSD license anyway
[10:02] <mtholdenss> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249902
[10:02] <holycow> fredl, *nod* oracle is a bit of a dinosaur that way too
[10:02] <R0cK3T> how do you apt get it?
[10:02] <holycow> they are far far too agressive in this new day and age
[10:03] <fredl> holycow, that's the *only* way IMO that commercial vendors can benefit from opensource, is by contributing to it instead of taking it andf making it theirs.
[10:03] <glick> for a billion dollars there is no one in here that wouldnt sell linux down the river
[10:03] <Flannel> Guys, can we take the linux/bsd/windows/whatever else to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[10:03] <holycow> fredl, offering support for open source packages i think could be very much a good play for a lot of companies
[10:03] <ardchoille> R0cK3T: Get lynx?
[10:03] <ardchoille> R0cK3T: sudo apt-get install lynx
[10:03] <fredl> glick, but it doesn't matter, as long as it's GPL, one can sell it through the nose but the next thing that'd happen is a GPL fork would continue and continue faster than the bought version
[10:04] <holycow> of course sometimes its not ... the company that  makes btrieve tried to offer support for postgres but didn't realize the pg community was very well supported commercially already
[10:04] <fredl> holycow, I'd *buy* a license for Oracle if I knew it supported Ubuntu
[10:04] <holycow> heh
[10:04] <NewpZ> hi is there a way to launch X and 1 app (instead of a window manager and logging in)?
[10:04] <fredl> holycow, but still the large vendors support distros like Suse and RedCrap.
[10:04] <glick> db2 is supported on ubuntu
[10:04] <holycow> i wouldn't, larry ellison is an ass and he would stab you in the back without thinking twice
[10:04] <holycow> thats someone i don't feel comfortable working with
[10:04] <NewpZ> like laucha a X app without gdm/kdm
[10:05] <holycow> fred indeed
[10:05] <Flannel> NewpZ: you need an Xserver running.  So if you wanted you could launch X and then the app, sure.
[10:05] <ardchoille> NewpZ: If you did that, how would you "manage" the "window" that the app launches in?
[10:05] <Seveas> NewpZ, man startx
[10:05] <R0cK3T> ardchoille: haha it worked?? thanx vm
[10:05] <holycow> fredl, i think marks companies can step up and start doing support for ubuntu
[10:05] <ardchoille> R0cK3T: You're welcome :)
[10:05] <fredl> NewpZ, yes, disable gdm/kdm and do 'startx' after you login on the terminal
[10:05] <holycow> i know they are already working on it, i think he has the right mix of vision plus experience to pull it off
[10:05] <NewpZ> its an mame arcade machine
[10:05] <fredl> holycow, but that's not *vendor* support.
[10:05] <holycow> fredl, not yet
[10:06] <NewpZ> i just want to power it up and it automagicly lauch a mame frontend
[10:06] <holycow> fredl, you can only ignore the largest/second largest distro on the planet for so long
[10:06] <fredl> holycow, maybe he could function as a 'conduit' though.
[10:06] <InfoxicatingLady> anyone have any ideas about why my puter won't pick up the dsl connection?
[10:06] <holycow> when mark starts really hammering support home vendors will come onboard
[10:06] <holycow> its just a matter of time
[10:06] <Crippy-Boy> holycow: with more binary only drivers that are flaky at best?
[10:06] <printk> NewpZ: it's best to have a login atleast... but after the person logins it can start x and run just that one app
[10:07] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, they can't really, the kernel api/abi's don't stay stable enough for tha tto happne
[10:07] <printk> NewpZ: other wise you're gona have to do alot of customizing for what you want, but it's possible
[10:07] <fredl> holycow, well, market penetration of Linux here in the Netherlands is going steady still. I read an article where they expect 15% penetration in corporate business in 2009
[10:07] <NewpZ> i dont think u want to try logging in with a xarcade control pannel
[10:07] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, novel is trying to provide some sort of intermediary layer to allow for that, but they need to be shot for doing something so stupid
[10:07] <NewpZ> there is no keyboard
[10:07] <Crippy-Boy> holycow: There are plenty of binary only drivers already, and people just accept them
[10:07] <holycow> fredl, really?
[10:07] <holycow> i love nl :)
[10:07] <holycow> fredl, i was in amsterdam last year, i gotta visit once again :)
[10:08] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, yeah :/ its sad and very very bad
[10:08] <fredl> holycow, I wouldn't be surprised if US market penetration is far ahead of that.
[10:08] <fredl> holycow, I used to live in California and *certainly* in CA market penetration is higher than that.
[10:08] <holycow> fredl, i would, the us is full of microsoft shills
[10:08] <Crippy-Boy> The sad part of it all is i dont understand why the vendors don't just release decent docs, Let other people write decent drivers, get more sales, everyones happy
[10:08] <printk> NewpZ: uhm you could setup your environment in single user mode like that and enter single user mode init scripts
[10:08] <holycow> fredl, really? bit surprising
[10:08] <printk> NewpZ: but that's gona be pretty unsecure that way and then again that'll have no networking so that won't work :)
[10:09] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, i think its sadder that the vendors don't understand them selves
[10:09] <fredl> holycow, hah! .nl is FULL of microsoft shills at government levels.
[10:09] <NewpZ> no networking.. its an arcade machine :)
[10:09] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, i kinda get that vendors are so super busy competing that paying attention to the gpl is hard but
[10:09] <NewpZ> if someone roots it they can steal my roms!
[10:09] <NewpZ> hehe
[10:09] <printk> NewpZ: and people are going to be playing it localling, infront of the actual machine?
[10:09] <printk> and not remotely?
[10:09] <holycow> i really think they don't understand why they should them selves, i don't think they spend any time thinking about it and understanding why its improtant and why its a competitive advantage
[10:09] <NewpZ> its in my basement... my 5 year old and his friends are not a security risk yet
[10:10] <fredl> holycow, it's quite stifling actually, I don't agree much with you that .nl is so 'cool' about Linux.
[10:10] <River> when attempting to use xmms i get the error message that it is being used or blocked by another program ... how do i reset the soundcard?
[10:10] <Crippy-Boy> holycow: People should go back to making their own hardware, Homebrew computer club style *laugh*
[10:10] <holycow> fredl, really? eh, damnation
[10:10] <holycow> fredl, one would think a nice communist country like nl would be more open to collaboration :)
[10:10] <InfoxicatingLady> fredl: isn't there a shortage or PERL coders in .nl, though?
[10:10] <holycow> *cough*
[10:10] <holycow> joke!
[10:10] <fredl> holycow, many more pretenses and 'should do's' than 'are doing's'
[10:10] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, your not far off
[10:11] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, i think the free software world is big enough to actually start making it possible to make 10 000 unit orders for stuff and be able to expect to sell it
[10:11] <fredl> holycow, socialist, mind you. Just as evil or maybe even more evil than communism because socialism makes people succesfully believe they're not communist.
[10:11] <holycow> its a very very large niche market right now
[10:11] <holycow> fredl, hehe
[10:11] <holycow> fredl, i'm canadian, i'm proud of our socialism
[10:11] <Crippy-Boy> holycow: Yeah, fair enough, but with the costs of manufacturing hardware these days, who can afford to do it and be profitable?
[10:11] <holycow> but we are a lot closer to th eus model of capitalism than th eeu model of socialism
[10:12] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, i have a sneaky feeling one can ... i just don't  have 1/2 mil to gamble righ tnow
[10:12] <fredl> socialism makes people LAZY
[10:12] <holycow> fredl, i disagree actually
[10:12] <holycow> i used to think that
[10:12] <holycow> but without socialism those lazy people end up on the streets
[10:12] <holycow> like in the us
[10:13] <fredl> so?
[10:13] <fredl> survival of the fittest.
[10:13] <holycow> i'd rather pay them to stay housed and fed than end up pushing carts around
[10:13] <Flannel> !offtopic
[10:13] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:13] <holycow> naw, i don't feel its that simple
[10:13] <Crippy-Boy> holycow: fair enough, Its ok when your talking lan cards, plenty of chinese companies producing them for pennies, but when you start talking about vid cards, mobo chipsets etc it all gets a bit complicated. i just dont think many besides big vendors have the resources
[10:13] <fredl> yeah ur right flannel, sorry.
[10:13] <holycow> but yes what Flannel said, probably better to keep it there :)
[10:13] <Crippy-Boy> Ofcourse i could just be talking crap, as usual.
[10:13] <Crippy-Boy> ok
[10:13] <fredl> Crippy-Boy = Crappy-Boy then? :-)
[10:13] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, there is a n open source video card project in the works actually
[10:14] <Crippy-Boy> fredl: Aye, most of the time.
[10:14] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, and they think they have enough market crossover to make it profiteable
[10:14] <Crippy-Boy> holycow: where do i sign up?
[10:14] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, motherboards are another thing we should be able to get with say openbios, and turn those around for a profit
[10:14] <Crippy-Boy> Anyways, im in offtopic before i get told off again :P
[10:14] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, i'd haveto look up the linkage, perhaps google it ... *hmm*
[10:17] <R0cK3T> is it possible to apt-get install xvid?
[10:18] <holycow> lol
[10:18] <holycow> Flannel, congratulations on killing the conversation
[10:18] <holycow> *poof*
[10:18] <Flannel> !tell R0cK3T about xvid
[10:18] <holycow> like magic
[10:18] <holycow> hehe :)
[10:18] <R0cK3T> yeah ;)
[10:18] <NewpZ> i just installed the nvidia drivers.. how can i chack to make sure x is using them?
[10:18] <R0cK3T> i gave up on q3
[10:19] <Flannel> holycow: shrug, its what usually happens when you ask people to go to -offtopic, not that anyone who suggests it is trying to kill it.
[10:19] <R0cK3T> although if i knew how to properly install all the 32 bit lib's, then i might give q3 another shot
[10:19] <azathoth> NewpZ: glxinfo | grep direct
[10:19] <holycow> Flannel, i'm kidden, indeed
[10:19] <infidel> where do i get the kernel source?
[10:20] <azathoth> use glxinfo to find out all info on your drivers
[10:20] <Flannel> infidel: you can get it from the repositories,
[10:20] <glick> infidel, apt-get kernel-source
[10:20] <Flannel> !tell infidel about kernel
[10:20] <R0cK3T> or just install the lib's i need
[10:20] <NewpZ> azathoth, hehe... just says "no"... hrm i followed the ubuntuguide to a T
[10:20] <NewpZ> weird
[10:20] <glick> damn women cops are hot
[10:20] <infidel> !kernel
[10:20] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[10:20] <glick> oops
[10:20] <glick> wrong channel
[10:20] <azathoth> have you setup your drivers in xorg.conf as nvidia, not nv?
[10:21] <NewpZ> Driver: "nvidia"
[10:21] <Healot> which country's women police, glick?
[10:21] <infidel> glick: i didn't get anything from apt-get kernel-source
[10:21] <glick> heh
[10:22] <glick> infidel, im sorry, you need to do sudo apt-get install kernel-source
[10:22] <Crippy-Boy> Well, im happy, i got wireless working on the pile of white crap (mac), got mono working properly, and sorted out the rc scripts :-) days work done
[10:22] <glick> or use synaptic
[10:22] <R0cK3T> glxinfo didn't work for me
[10:22] <Healot> ono works perfectly in Windows :
[10:22] <Healot> hoho
[10:22] <holycow> Crippy-Boy, congrats dude :)
[10:22] <Healot> ironic
[10:22] <infidel> glick: ok thanks
[10:22] <R0cK3T> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[10:22] <brainiac_ghost> can someone PLEASE help me
[10:23] <Healot> ask  brainiac_ghost
[10:23] <brainiac_ghost> find a windows driver with a usbid in it
[10:23] <glick> just ask yur Quackinator brainiac_ghost
[10:23] <brainiac_ghost> 1435:0427
[10:23] <Healot> lsusb -v  brainiac_ghost
[10:23] <Crippy-Boy> holycow: thanks, the only real plain was the mac. And i found the usb wireless adaptor i have has open source linux drivers :-)
[10:23] <Healot> it will tell you details
[10:23] <brainiac_ghost> Healot, done that, trying to find the driver that supports it
[10:24] <R0cK3T> glxinfo
[10:24] <R0cK3T> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[10:24] <Healot> brainiac_ghost: what type of device is it?
[10:24] <py_> hello, I just tried to install the nvidia driver on an up-ti-date dapper, and X is not starting anymore: kernel module version is 1.0-7174 while the nvidia-glx version is 1.0-8762. How do I solve this?
[10:24] <brainiac_ghost> Healot, wireless
[10:24] <infidel> glick oh oh i'm getting the wrong kernel source
[10:24] <brainiac_ghost> Healot, why can't they all just use rt2500 :(
[10:24] <NewpZ> wow looks like i came to right place with my nvidia driver issue :)
[10:25] <glick> infidel, then go to kernel.org if you want the latest vanilla kernel
[10:25] <Healot> rt drivers are available at rt driver project page
[10:25] <Healot> 24xx and 2xx should work though
[10:25] <glick> but it wont be the kernel used in ubuntu
[10:25] <bioticpro> anyone here use or know about js2mouse?
[10:25] <brainiac_ghost> Healot, i've used rt2500, nice'n easy, this is conexiant
[10:25] <glick> cause the ubuntu kernel is modified with ubuntu specific patches
[10:25] <foo> I followed the ubuntu wiki on setting up flgrx and it broke my X. Here is my config and log ...  http://x01.ath.cx:81/temp/xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log ... any ideas? I've tried the fglrx, radeon, and ati drivers... all the same problem. This system works fine with Windows, so it's not the monitor or the card. Lame. Anyone reported this problem before? I've been troubleshooting this all day and I don't think there's a fix. blah
[10:25] <infidel> glick: i'm using 2.6.15 and it's downloading 2.4.27
[10:26] <R0cK3T> it happened to me
[10:26] <jasonx>  If I wanted to install the new Thunar from this page: http://thunar.xfce.org/download.html#0.4.0. Would I have to delete my existing Thunar that came with Xubuntu?
[10:26] <R0cK3T> foo:
[10:26] <foo> R0cK3T: Really?
[10:26] <R0cK3T> yeah
[10:26] <R0cK3T> i had a buddy helpin me to get xgl goin
[10:26] <foo> R0cK3T: Did you fix it, ever? Or what?
[10:26] <foo> hm
[10:27] <glick> infidel, use synaptic and sownload the 2.6 source
[10:27] <R0cK3T> but he backed up the xorg.conf
[10:27] <NewpZ> i just installed it all through that wiki X is fine, but direct rendering is off
[10:27] <R0cK3T> so i dunno :P
[10:27] <R0cK3T> im just a nub
[10:27] <infidel> glick: ok
[10:28] <jazzrocker> foo, ATI sux on linux
[10:28] <FirstStrike> indeed
[10:28] <foo> jazzrocker: so I'm learning
[10:28] <jazzrocker> i've heard ATI support is better these days but i'd never buy one for linux... nVidia all the way
[10:28] <Crippy-Boy> Aye, im going to replace mine with an nvidia soon
[10:28] <jazzrocker> for windows only? sure
[10:29] <Crippy-Boy> Stick my ati card in something else
[10:29] <jazzrocker> hardware performance wise, just like AMD and Intel, nVidia and ATI are neck and neck... not really a huge diff between their top of the line cards
[10:29] <FirstStrike> i have a geforce 6800 GS. It's been treating me well but as soon as prices drop on the 7900 i'll probably end up getting that.
[10:29] <jazzrocker> linux driver wise, nVidia stil wins these days
[10:30] <jazzrocker> my nVidia GeForce 2 MX/400 still kicks pretty damn well
[10:30] <jazzrocker> plays CS original at 1280x1024 at over 60fps
[10:31] <FirstStrike> heh..
[10:31] <jazzrocker> Quake 4? now that's a different story :(
[10:31] <jazzrocker> my FX5700 *barely* does Q4 at 640x480
[10:31] <Awesome-o2000> is there an ubuntu netinstall image available anywhere? like the debian netinstall cd's? I appear to have misplaced my dapper cd
[10:31] <infidel> glick: i'm trying to instal a cisco vpn client and it's asking me where the source is and it's saying default directory is here /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build but i'm used to the source code being in /usr/src/linux is the software right?
[10:31] <Awesome-o2000> only one i have is xubuntu
[10:32] <jazzrocker> Awesome-o2000, the wiki has info for install methods
[10:32] <Awesome-o2000> jazzrocker - URL plz?
[10:32] <jazzrocker> STFW, it's there
[10:32] <jazzrocker> !install
[10:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[10:32] <glick> infidel, well thats where the modules are
[10:32] <glick> for the curent kernel
[10:33] <Awesome-o2000> stfw?
[10:33] <glick> infidel, but yeah the linux source is usually in /usr/src/linux
[10:33] <jazzrocker> Awesome-o2000, generally speaking you should probably search the wiki before you ask in here because a LOT of stuff is covered on the wiki
[10:33] <jazzrocker> Awesome-o2000, Search The Fantastic Web
[10:33] <Awesome-o2000> lol fantastic eh
[10:33] <glick> infidel, once you download the source you have to set the /usr/src/linux link up your self
[10:33] <jazzrocker> Awesome-o2000, in your case... yes... very :P
[10:33] <glick> its really a link to the source dir
[10:34] <R0cK3T> can anyone help me get the right 32 bit libraries, so i can install q3?
[10:34] <NewpZ> for svideo using nvidia drivers.. i have 2 screens (i can drag a window from my lcd over to the right and it appears on my tv screen) how do i make the tv display the same as what is on the desktop? i think.... Option "TwinView" has somethign to do with it
[10:34] <infidel> glick:  is the linux kernel image the same thing as source?
[10:34] <|pSiCo|> hi
[10:35] <jazzrocker> infidel, no
[10:35] <jazzrocker> infidel, it's the opposite
[10:35] <R0cK3T> amd 64, using ubuntu x86_64
[10:35] <Crippy-Boy> Kernel image is compiled
[10:35] <Crippy-Boy> Source is source.
[10:35] <infidel> jazzrocker: i don't see the source in synaptics then
[10:35] <jazzrocker> infidel, look for 'linux-tree'
[10:35] <Przemcio1978> hi, where can I find good drivers for my logitech quickcam chat webcam?
[10:36] <infidel> ok guys i found it thanks
[10:36] <jazzrocker> Przemcio1978, all the good ones were eaten by the fat guy in the corner :(
[10:36] <Crippy-Boy> I didnt eat them...
[10:36] <foo> hmm, what is the equivalent of chkconfig on ubuntu?
[10:36] <jazzrocker> foo, ubuntu doesn't have chkconfig?
[10:36] <foo> jazzrocker: nope
[10:36] <jazzrocker> foo, there are numerous apps for managing services
[10:37] <jazzrocker> foo, sys-v-update i think it's called, there's also BUM, and i'm pretty sure you can install chkconfig
[10:37] <jazzrocker> BUM kinda sucks though... sysv-rc-update or whatever it's called is way better
[10:37] <foo> jazzrocker: ahhh, doh. thanks.
[10:38] <cute_bettong> does any have experiance with mythtv? i want to run my tv card which is an ati radeon
[10:38] <rambo3> cute_bettong,  j #mythtv-users
[10:38] <mkquist_> anyone know how to reinstall gnome?
[10:38] <cute_bettong> k
[10:39] <Crippy-Boy> Is there actually any linux support for the all-in-wonder cards?
[10:40] <jazzrocker> heheh, that name always kept me from buying those cards lol... i took one look at the name and said "nope, not what i want"
[10:40] <Crippy-Boy> Lol
[10:40] <|pSiCo|> for working purposes I need to install a keylogger into a ubuntu desktop 6.06.1 (is for debug the work of a user in a continuosly-coredumped program), anyone can help me? LKL is reporting a segfault when I exec it :(
[10:40] <Crippy-Boy> My unc has one, Fantastic card.
[10:40] <glick> heh netbsd is in trouble
[10:41] <Crippy-Boy> glick: really?
[10:41] <jazzrocker> glick, what'd you do to it?
[10:41] <Arafangion> jazzrocker: I always wondered how they got past the grammar nazis, because I can't make any sense of those names!
[10:41] <glick> yeah its basically i belly up fish
[10:41] <Crippy-Boy> Just a shame theres probably no decent linux support, Would be ideal for a myth-tv or general desktop box
[10:41] <jazzrocker> hahaha, it's about time one of those BSD projects went under
[10:42] <Crippy-Boy> jazzrocker: Why's that?
[10:42] <Arafangion> |pSiCo|: Just put in logging information into the damn program! :)
[10:42] <Crippy-Boy> *BSD has its uses :-)
[10:42] <jazzrocker> Crippy-Boy, well part of the whole BSD philosophy is that the system is all sort of integrated, and 4 (or more) different flavors of BSD kind of works against that
[10:42] <Arafangion> Crippy-Boy: I like my OBSD server, indeed.
[10:42] <First|Bleh> so does ubuntu and every other distro out there
[10:43] <|pSiCo|> Arafangion, I can't, is a compiled program without that option... is a VERY OLD program from own client
[10:43] <Crippy-Boy> Arafangion: Exactly, id have more faith in OBSD out of the box on a server than linux or infact anything else.
[10:43] <|pSiCo|> sorry for my english