[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69452 in gst-plugins-ugly0.10 (universe) "Totem crashed in the middle of a movie" [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69452
[12:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75674 in kiso (universe) "kiso crashes on file open" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75674
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75676 in grub-installer (main) "unable to write to mbr on disc (sd0)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75676
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75678 in kdebase (main) "Wish: Please consider using the SuSE-Kickoff branch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75678
[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75679 in ubiquity (main) "Kubuntu installer Crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75679
[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75680 in upstart (main) "Fail to reboot after upgrading from 0.2.7-7 to 0.3.1-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75680
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75681 in initramfs-tools (main) "scripts/local-top/mdadm not being called?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75681
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75682 in libsynce (universe) "libsynce.pc missing from /usr/pkgconfig" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75682
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75684 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Edgy Eft Server / Alt. OS Install Fails with Adaptec / DPT i2o Controller but Desktop Version Does Not." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75684
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75685 in xserver-xgl (universe) "xgl - crashed while not in use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75685
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75686 in samba (main) "dependency on update-inetd is not declared on feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75686
[01:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75687 in Ubuntu "Password requires continual reseting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75687
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75688 in openoffice.org (main) "OOo Crashes when pasting in wordpress" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75688
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75689 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when logging into Amazon.com" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75689
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75691 in bluez-utils (main) "/etc/init.d/bluetooth doesn't start dund or pand" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75691
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75692 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox causes Gstreamer error when trying to change track number " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75692
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75693 in gossip-telepathy (universe) "Cannot create new account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75693
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75694 in gimp (main) "Cannot (re)install gimp-svg plugin after update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75694
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71642 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Speedtouch usb connection dying under Ubuntu 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71642
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75695 in grep (main) "huge performance hit for -i with UTF-8 locales" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75695
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75696 in bittorrent (main) "Bittorrent doesn't open in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75696
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75697 in emacspeak (universe) "emacspeak install script returns error value 2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75697
[05:39] <jz> hi could someone advise me on how to get bugs closed or marked as fixed on launchpad
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> jz: which bug?
[05:40] <jz> i have quite a few
[05:40] <Admiral_Chicago> have an example?
[05:40] <jz> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/71585
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71585 in usplash "Regression: usplash does not work on Dell Latitude C400 out of the box" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i see
[05:41] <jz> also would it be appropriate to close bugs that are feature requests?
[05:42] <jz> seen many of those
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> jz: depends on the bugs
[05:42] <nixternal> don't close feature requests, mark them as "wishlist"
[05:43] <jz> how do i mark wishlist
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: you can only WL if you're on QA
[05:43] <jz> don't see that option
[05:43] <jz> ok
[05:43] <jz> not there
[05:43] <nixternal> point me to the bug and i will wishlist it if needed
[05:43] <jz> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/72213
[05:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72213 in Ubuntu ""Restore grub" option on the Live CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:45] <jz> would it be possible to apply to qa team
[05:45] <jz> what are the requirements?
[05:46] <nixternal> you need to be on the bugsquad for a while and have triaged a lot of bugs, plus be an ubuntu member
[05:46] <nixternal> ok, i am sure there is a duplicate on that grub bug somewhere, but i have wishlisted it for the time being
[05:47] <nixternal> i am sure they are also working on a fix for that bug report, or something similar
[05:47] <jz> thanks, i'll stick to triaging for now
[05:49] <somerville32> nixternal: Thats not true.
[05:50] <somerville32> You don't need to be a ubuntu member to be a member of ubuntu-qa
[05:50] <somerville32> :)
[05:50] <jz> just a bugsquad pro?
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75698 in amarok (main) "amarok makes multiple credit-card charges for a single Magnatunes purchase" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75698
[05:51] <jz> "multiple credit-card charges" that must be a pisser
[05:52] <jz> got another that might warrant being put down https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/66871
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66871 in Ubuntu "can't use username or password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:52] <nixternal> somerville32: how do you figure?
[05:53] <nixternal> i thought everyone on the qa team was trusted ubuntu members
[05:53] <nixternal> i may be wrong
[05:53] <somerville32> I was a member of ubuntu-qa before I became a member
[05:53] <nixternal> well, i am wrong :p
[05:53] <somerville32> And several other people at the last CC were too
[05:53] <nixternal> jz: you need to be a bug mastah :)
[05:53] <somerville32> It's ok! :)
[05:54] <jz> i'll practice my bug-fu over the holidays
[05:54] <nixternal> haha bug-fu
[05:54] <jz> some of these bugs anger me
[05:54] <Admiral_Chicago> every bug angers me
[05:54] <nixternal> hehe, you are well on your way then
[05:55] <nixternal> man, usplash bugs need loving again...i loved them during the beginning of the edgy cycle, and they are back up to a ton of dupes
[05:55] <Admiral_Chicago> Bug #1 the worst
[05:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:55] <jz> i'm talking about the ones that originate between the keyboard and chair
[05:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i reported my own bug on Edgy, got it fixed
[05:56] <Admiral_Chicago> haha, yes. i have a teeshirt "it must be user error"
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75699 in tetex-bin (main) "pdfcrop has no man page" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75699
[05:56] <Admiral_Chicago> sometime i just want to mark them all as "it's a feature, not a bug!
[05:56] <nixternal> oooh, i can confirm that bug
[05:56] <nixternal> tetex has angered me
[05:56] <somerville32> Whens the next hug day?
[05:56] <jz> another for wishlist: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50345
[05:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50345 in Ubuntu "cryptsetup missing in LiveCDs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:56] <nixternal> every wednesday i thought
[05:57] <nixternal> so, like yesterday/today
[05:57] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: i think next wednesday as well
[05:57] <Admiral_Chicago> that seemed to be the chatter around here earlier
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69355 in usplash (main) "usplash refuses to work" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69355
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75702 in mesa (main) "~/.drirc is not read" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75702
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71585 in usplash (main) "Regression: usplash does not work on Dell Latitude C400 out of the box" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71585
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75701 in python-defaults (main) "Python crashes inexplicably upon session start." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75701
[06:43] <nixternal> hmm..it seems the bugs i set as dupes are showing up in ubugtu now
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75703 in xchat (universe) "X-chat crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75703
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75704 in Ubuntu "Repeated suspend mode after 6.10 install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75704
[06:56] <somerville32> lol
[06:56] <somerville32> nixternal: You were right about usplash
[06:59] <nixternal> hehe, it is a mess
[06:59] <nixternal> i got it under control at one point, and then it took off again
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75705 in coreutils (main) "sort order incorrect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75705
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75706 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "new upstream version fixes mode save/restore problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75706
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74540 in hal (main) "Missing mandatory properties on volume.disc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74540
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75707 in comix (universe) "Nautilus thumbnail preview is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75707
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75709 in Ubuntu "Gnome log out applet not displaying" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75709
[08:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75710 in mysql-query-browser (universe) "Query Browser Fails on Edit Table" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75710
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75711 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed (6.10)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75711
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75712 in Ubuntu "Kernel update hoses grub's menu.lst" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75712
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75713 in adept (main) "does not check diskspace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75713
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71944 in wacom-tools (main) "wacom-kernel-source fails to install under edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71944
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74544 in gdb (main) "gdb _*TOTALLY BROKEN*_ in Feisty/x86_64 due to .gnu.hash unsupported in BFD it is linked against" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74544
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75714 in openoffice.org (main) "master layout is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75714
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75715 in Ubuntu "caution about my thread with list of problems/bugs on ubuntuforums.com " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75715
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71859 in rpmstrap (universe) "rpmstrap fails to correctly call basename and wget" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71859
[09:50] <dholbach> good morning
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75717 in firefox (main) "Firefox 2 crashes during shutdown of Synaptic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75717
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> goodnight dholbach
[09:52] <dholbach> sleep tight Admiral_Chicago
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75719 in evolution-exchange (main) "evolution 2.9.3 crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75719
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75720 in fontconfig (main) "Bad default values for Urdu language" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75720
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75722 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes opening some sites" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75722
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75723 in enigmail-locales (universe) "Outdated dependency in enigmail-locale-fi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75723
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75724 in gcc-4.1 (main) "bad code with boost::signals" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75724
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75725 in alsa-driver (main) "jack sense is not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75725
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75726 in xorg-server (main) "DRI broken on r128 on dual head r128 + i965 (non Xinerama)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75726
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75727 in Ubuntu "kubuntu edgy - can't disable automounting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75727
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75728 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "xv on r128 hard locked whole machine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75728
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75729 in Fedora (main) "wrong access rights on NFS mount" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75729
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75730 in linux-source-2.6.19 (main) "[Regression]  Automatic change of my CPU frequency is over" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75730
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75732 in samba (main) "Fails to upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75732
[11:44] <Adri2000> a bug like 75642, importance should be medium right?
[11:44] <Adri2000> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grisbi/+bug/75642
[11:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75642 in grisbi "Not installable on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[11:47] <jonh_wendell> Adri2000, i guess High
[11:47] <jonh_wendell> Adri2000, once it's uninstallable
[11:48] <Adri2000> jonh_wendell: it's high if you look only at the package, but if you look at ubuntu, it's just an optional universe package :)
[11:48] <jonh_wendell> Adri2000, i know that
[11:48] <Adri2000> according to the wiki, medium: "Has a severe impact on a non-core application"
[11:49] <Adri2000> sfllaw: ? :)
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75733 in mail-notification (universe) "Update button is greyed out" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75733
[12:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75735 in xen-3.0 (universe) "xen-docs-3.0 is an empty package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75735
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60052 in libgnomeui (main) "i was working with synaptic and firefox on xubuntu and this error popped out" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60052
[12:33] <dholbach> if we can't make a dent into the bug graphs with that, I don't know ;)
[12:33] <dholbach> thanks :)
[12:33] <dholbach> WHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:34] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats
[12:34] <seb128> with combined efforts we can for sure make it go down
[12:34] <dholbach> ROAR
[12:34] <seb128> I would be happy to have - numbers for the next UWN
[12:35] <dholbach> -100 in the last 24h
[12:35] <dholbach> (open)
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> it's been ridiculous
[12:36] <dholbach> and -40 in the last week
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> considering Feisty is out and everything
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i think i left over 50 changes to reports on Tuesday, don't remeber
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i spend several hours trying to help with bugs
[12:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69134 in yelp (main) "Package is working but lacks index file" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69134
[12:37] <dholbach> maybe I should hack a bit on heno's tool and see if we can make something cool happen with the dup searcher
[12:37] <seb128> Admiral_Chicago: efforts appreciated ,)
[12:37] <seb128> ;)
[12:37] <Admiral_Chicago> it was my pleasure seb128
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/#week
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> wow look at tha
[12:41] <seb128> good :)
[12:41] <seb128> efforts are paying!
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75737 in samba (main) "Needs update-inetd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75737
[12:42] <Hobbsee> wow!  that's a lot!
[12:43] <Hobbsee> dholbach: that unassigned drop would be the change in motu-reviewers --> u-u-s, i'll bet
[12:43] <Hobbsee> oh wait, the rise
[12:44] <dholbach> Hobbsee: hum.. I subscribed uus, but didn't assign them
[12:44] <Hobbsee> yes, exactly
[12:45] <seb128> the unassigned drop is probably kiko who put money on the task :p
[12:46] <seb128> joke assigned since kiko mentionned it would be nice to clean without a package some people have been tackling that list and assign bugs too
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75740 in firefox (main) "Crash notification appeard after resume from hibernate."  [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75741
[01:15] <kiko> Hobbsee, tomorrow, we roll out the guided filebug form, which should reduce the rate in which dupes come in
[01:16] <kiko> so I think your task will be made easier
[01:16] <kiko> Hobbsee, how has the work gone so far?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> kiko: yay!  however, my original comment was @ sendign the mail to the mailing list
[01:16] <Hobbsee> dunno, i've been out
[01:16] <kiko> which mail to which mailing list? :)
[01:18] <Hobbsee> @ the ones without a subject to -bugs
[01:18] <kiko> did I do that? :-)
[01:19] <kiko> oh, your previous messages.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:19] <Hobbsee> kiko: oh, while i remember.  you're a lp guy, right?
[01:19] <kiko> in the flesh
[01:19] <Hobbsee> oh?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> explain that?
[01:20] <kiko> my flesh is committed to launchpad
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:22] <Hobbsee> well, anyway, why cant you make the contact address of a group another email address already in LP?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ie, like one belonging to a person on LP
[01:30] <Hobbsee> kiko: ^
[01:30] <kiko> Hobbsee, it's a bug, but it's not trivial to fix because it requires a data model change, and that part of the data model is non-trivial
[01:30] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:32] <kiko> see, email addresses are meant to be unique
[01:33] <kiko> and they point to person records
[01:33] <kiko> so to fix this we'd need to make that constraint a lot more complicated
[01:33] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:33] <kiko> or add an MxN table
[01:33] <kiko> none of which are trivial
[01:33] <kiko> and given the fact that our 1.0 is impending...
[01:33] <kiko> but it's a noted bug
[01:34] <kiko> and I guess it's not so hard to work around it for now
[01:34] <Hobbsee> oh dear, fair enough
[01:45] <neutrinomass> When debugging suspend/hibernate, what information should one ask for ? (are the following enough ? dmesg, lspci -vv, lspci -vvn, dmidecode, /var/log/kern.log )
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75745 in Ubuntu "Cannot display "Monitor & Display" kcontrol module (Edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75745
[01:48] <kiko> neutrinomass, that sounds like a good list
[01:49] <Hobbsee> someone mark that as a dupe of something else
[01:49] <Hobbsee> i've seen that in kdebase
[01:49] <dholbach> neutrinomass: could you add that to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures somewhere?
[01:50] <seb128> Does somebody has an opinion on bug #55613?
[01:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55613 in coreutils "Make link with a file 6 times happen error " [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55613
[01:50] <seb128> basically symlink chain limited to 6
[01:50] <seb128> I'm tempted to reject the bug
[01:50] <dholbach> me too
[01:50] <seb128> is there any real world case requiring to loop chain symlink like that?
[01:51] <neutrinomass> kiko, dholbach: Ok - I'll add it to the wiki as well
[01:51] <dholbach> neutrinomass: you rock!
[01:51] <dholbach> i saw symlink-chains maybe up to 3 or 4
[01:51] <dholbach> but that's been it
[01:51] <dholbach> /etc/alternatices and friends
[01:51] <dholbach> seb128: he should provide a real world use case :-)
[01:51] <seb128> ok
[01:51] <seb128> let close it and say to reopen with some argument
[01:51] <dholbach> hey heno!
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey heno
[01:52] <heno> dholbach: thanks for cleaning up my code dude :)
[01:52] <heno> hey Hobbsee
[01:52] <dholbach> heno: tiny pieces here and there :-)
[01:52] <dholbach> heno: I'd love to see it as a bugsquad team effort that'd change our work
[01:53] <dholbach> heno: especially if we keep the .info files up to date, it'll be great
[01:53] <heno> Hobbsee: I see your making progress on the 'ubuntu' bugs!
[01:53] <neutrinomass> dholbach: Is the bugsquad really rocking lately or is just my impression ?
[01:53] <dholbach> neutrinomass: your impression is absolutely right
[01:53] <Hobbsee> heno: me?  nah, i havent been here.  i've only been killing things w.r.t universe-sponsors, as i'm sur eyou've seen
[01:54] <heno> ah, ok but someone has brought it down to 922 now
[01:55] <heno> from 1160 or whatever
[01:55] <dholbach> I saw some getting reassigned to desktop-bugs
[01:55] <neutrinomass> On what basis do we assign acpi issues to the kernel vs. assigning them to acpi-support ?
[01:55] <dholbach> neutrinomass: that's a good question - maybe mjg59 on #ubuntu-devel can enlighten you
[01:55] <neutrinomass> dholbach: there were plenty of nautilus bugs.... they're also several mounting problems
[01:55] <dholbach> yeah
[01:55] <dholbach> hey PriceChild
[01:56] <PriceChild> hi there
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hey PriceChild
[01:57] <Hobbsee> heno: yes, they're amazing people
[01:57] <PriceChild> Hobbsee!!!! :D
[01:58] <PriceChild> uu Hobbsee check out the new cloak.... watch it swish...
[01:59] <PriceChild> :P
[02:01] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: yay!
[02:05] <neutrinomass> dholbach: here you go http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[02:06] <dholbach> ROCK
[02:06] <dholbach> thanks
[02:06] <dholbach> will look later
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75746 in epiphany-browser (main) "Characters produced by dead keys do not work with history/search list being shown" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75746
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75749 in hydrogen (universe) "Crashed while trying to load a drumkit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75749
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75753 in udev (main) "Wrong group for IDE cdrom/cdwriter/dvd devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75753
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75754 in firefox (main) "crash when loaded with media plugins" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75754
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75757 in Ubuntu "Beginning of boot process a half-minute pause occurs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75757
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69328 in fileroller (main) "file-roller should work with the "7zr" command too" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69328
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75758 in Ubuntu "Firefox doesn't display new windows in new tabs despite option being set" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75758
[03:36] <bddebian> Boo
[03:36] <ogra> bee
[03:36] <dholbach> hiya bddebian
[03:36] <bddebian> Heh hi ogra, dholbach
[03:40] <dholbach> seb128: I think the bughelper tool will be really good at some stage
[03:40] <seb128> dholbach: good :)
[03:41] <seb128> dholbach: I would prefer launchpad to be really good at some stage though :p
[03:41] <dholbach> both will be good at some stage
[03:41] <seb128> :)
[03:41] <dholbach> no, they'll be great!
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75760 in Ubuntu "What happened to the diagnostics on the F8 key at boot?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75760
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75762 in emerald "emerald crash after click on window title" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75762
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75763 in gnome-games (main) "Sudoku crashed while playing a game" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75763
[04:07] <seb128> 399 unread bug mails, yeah \o/
[04:07] <dholbach> rock
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75765 in syslinux (main) "This package should depends on mtools" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75765
[04:57] <coNP> Hi, what do you think about #75403?
[04:58] <coNP> I marked it fixed, since the debian distributors say this behavior is desired.
[04:59] <seb128> bug #75403
[05:00] <marnanel> *tumbleweed*
[05:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75403 in Debian "Gnus is duplicated" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75403
[05:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71403 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "System does not wakeup correctly after suspend/hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71403
[05:04] <coNP> seb128: I think a specification should be filed about this, if it is a _real_ problem. What do you think?
[05:04] <seb128> coNP: should be marked rejected if that's not a bug
[05:06] <coNP> I marked it fixed, because it was fix released in Debian, too.
[05:06] <coNP> However, with the unusual "nothing should be changed" semantics of bugfix.
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75768 in gnome-keyring (main) "gnome-keyring never stores passwords (only SMB?)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75768
[05:18] <a7p> someone requests a blob-scanner-driver to be delivered with ubuntu - is there any policy limiting the blob-pest?
[05:19] <a7p> #72321
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75767 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "kernel panic: killing interrupt handler" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75767
[05:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68848 in update-manager (main) "Update to edgy ruins machine" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68848
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75769 in emerald "emerald crashes when the left and right mouse button are pressed at the same time on window title bar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75769
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75770 in xorg (main) "ATI Open source driver shows distorted unreadable image on Dell laptop + Apple Cinema Display 23 inch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75770
[05:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75771 in Ubuntu "Resuming from suspend freezes on iBook if suspending from a graphical session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75771
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75772 in samba (main) "Samba requires "update-inetd", but not Installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75772
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75776 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Closing the lid from a gnome session does not trigger suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75776
[06:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75775 in Ubuntu "Battery Charge Rate Incorrect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75775
[06:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75778 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "after update from *-10.33 to 34 no sound" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75778
[06:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75779 in fai (universe) "fai-doc: Root password hash stored in log files." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75779
[06:16] <somerville32> ...
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75781 in psycopg (main) "python-psycopg: Missing dependencies? (libc6, libpq4)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75781
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75782 in beagle (main) "beagle-crawl-system is failing every day" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75782
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75784 in kobodeluxe (universe) "kobodeluxe: kobodl segfaults on 64 bit ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75784
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75785 in dovecot (main) "After security update (1.0.beta3-3ubuntu5.4), no service" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75785
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75787 in gnome-media (main) "[feisty]  volume-control: capture tab muting wrong PCM stream?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75787
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75786 in pcsc-lite (universe) "Compile with extended APDU support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75786
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75788 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "linux-source-2.6.17-10.34 snd_hda_intel broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75788
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75790 in apache2 (main) "NameVirtualHost is required but configtest doesn't warn about lack of it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75790
[06:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75791 in gnome-mount (main) "ntfs-3g support?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75791
[07:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75792 in Ubuntu "open office crashes with a copy-and-paste in a gaim chat window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75792
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75793 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "Nvidia driver (9631) does not work properly with rdesktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75793
[07:15] <seb128> bug #34675
[07:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34675 in gtk+2.0 "Polish:  previously selected package isn't completely greyed when upgrading" [Wishlist,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34675
[07:15] <seb128> do people think that's a bug?
[07:15] <seb128> insensitive GtkTreeView having the selection displayed differently
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75794 in k3d (universe) "can't install k3d on Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75794
[07:20] <jonh_wendell> :)
[07:22] <somerville32> seb128: I guess thats why it is marked as wishlist?
[07:23] <seb128> somerville32: I marked it wishlist
[07:23] <somerville32> :)
[07:23] <seb128> somerville32: when I set it as Needs Info too
[07:23] <seb128> so, do you have an opinion on it? ;)
[07:24] <somerville32> Hmm..
[07:26] <somerville32> It does look weird.
[07:27] <a7p> on bug #72321 ... it's a request to include a partially binary driver into sane-backends-extra ... who to coupe with this?
[07:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72321 in sane-backends-extras "Include Brother scanner drivers (brother2, brother)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72321
[07:28] <somerville32> seb128: Yea, I would say thats a bug.
[07:29] <somerville32> It is certainly deceiving to the user
[07:30] <somerville32> Guess he  didn't like my answer! <g>
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75795 in mail-notification (universe) "Can't communicate with evo in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75795
[07:33] <a7p> hihi
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75796 in nautilus (main) "mounted devices shown as unmounted [feisty] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75796
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75798 in control-center (main) "terminal-to-window fontset string conversion Edgy live CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75798
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75799 in digikam (main) "digikamdcraw is missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75799
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75800 in telepathy-gabble (universe) "Crash on connect." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75800
[08:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75801 in python2.4 (main) "Feisty: Crash when browsing menus with menu editor" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75801
[08:50] <jonh_wendell> seb128, now we have Manny subscribed in lauchpad!
[08:50] <jonh_wendell> seb128, for autilus bugs, so cool
[08:50] <seb128> jonh_wendell: ah, excellent
[08:51] <seb128> jonh_wendell: I was just telling him to subscribe to nautilus-open-terminal, he's asking for a bugzilla product on #bugs from irc.gnome
[08:51] <jonh_wendell> seb128, i've contacted him a few days ago, about open-terminal bugs
[08:52] <jonh_wendell> seb128, when he said he has a LP id, i suggested it
[08:52] <seb128> excellent :)
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75803 in gnome-power-manager (main) "non privilege user can change cpu speed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75803
[09:03] <jrib> hmm what to do with bugs that request for a program to be packaged? bug 57865
[09:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57865 in Ubuntu "Package for Frets on fire" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57865
[09:04] <seb128> jonh_wendell: well done for suggesting to Manny to subscribe to those ;)
[09:05] <jonh_wendell> ;)
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75805 in eclipse (universe) "Eclipse 3.2.1 -> File properties -> Refactoring -> Ok throw error dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75805
[09:05] <mr_pouit> jrib: perhaps you can ask him to put his request here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates ?
[09:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75804 in gnome-power-manager (main) "performance setting missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75804
[09:06] <jonh_wendell> seb128, i see some upstream authors don't want to get involved with distros. I did not feel this in Manny
[09:07] <seb128> cool
[09:07] <jrib> mr_pouit: agreed, should be ok to reject the bug then?
[09:08] <seb128> jrib: yep, reject the bug
[09:09] <seb128> jrib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[09:09] <seb128> jrib: there is a stock reply "If it's a packaging request of new software not already in Debian"
[09:09] <jrib> ah I see it :)  oops
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75806 in firefox (main) "Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75806
[09:10] <marnanel> yay for descriptive titles.
[09:12] <jrib> heh
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75807 in metacity (main) "metacity crash while scrolling in youtube" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75807
[09:21] <marnanel> Ooh, yay, a bug for me
[09:24] <somerville32> Is today hug day or something? ;]
[09:25] <jonh_wendell> somerville32, next 20th
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75808 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Random PC freeze in X, possible ATI video problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75808
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75809 in nautilus (main) "Reports "Generic Error" and crashes when SSH transfer out of space." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75809
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75810 in slab (universe) "Close button in the about window doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75810
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75811 in gnome-power-manager (main) "gnome-power-manager UI has become unnecessarily complicated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75811
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75812 in gnomebaker (universe) "sp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75812
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75789 in pcmanfm (universe) "pcmanfm crashed" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75789
[09:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75813 in qm (universe) "Error when using qmtest gui" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75813
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75814 in udev (main) "udev loads ata_piix module for SATA causing ~30 second boot delay" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75814
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75815 in gaim (main) "crash after pasting text" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75815
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75816 in file-roller (main) "File-roller " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75816
[10:43] <bcmSucks> critical bug 62432 is still a mystery if I were to follow one before last posting/comment
[10:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62432 in openoffice.org "Crash when copying text from OpenOffice to other applications" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62432
[10:43] <bcmSucks> can anyone talk me through oo.o update for 62432?
[10:44] <jrib> from edgy-proposed?
[10:45] <bcmSucks> yes
[10:45] <jrib> just add this to your sources.list:
[10:45] <jrib> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main
[10:45] <jrib> and ugprade the oo packages
[10:46] <crimsun_> and please note that is a TESTING repository.
[10:48] <jrib> bcmSucks: yes, only install it if you don't mind things ending up more broken
[10:49] <bcmSucks> jrib, is it known to be broken in any features?
[10:49] <jrib> I have no idea
[10:49] <bcmSucks> the bug and the solution being about three months old i would imagine this is wel tested :)
[10:54] <bcmSucks> matthias's final instructions on this bug is not working ... ie, oo.o is not presented in Software Update after giving 'apt-get update'
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75817 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Sound broken after this update." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75817
[10:55] <bcmSucks> is there anything specific that needs to be done to update the fixed oo.o?
[10:57] <jrib> bcmSucks: apt-cache policy openoffice.org    show anything in -proposed?
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> that bug sucks real bad. almost lost me a lot of work
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> i know several users that say they lost a ton of work because of it
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> "save early and save often"
[11:00] <jrib> "almost"?  did you manage to recover somehow?
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> caught myself in time
[11:01] <jrib> ah so you knew about it
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> yea i get updates on my bug almost everyday
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> in my inbox. haha. i checked my email. 10 emails about bugs / ubuntu stuff
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> but i think i have it light compared to some other people
[11:03] <bcmSucks> jrib, hmmm it seems updated to 'Installed: 2.0.4-0ubuntu3'
[11:03] <jrib> bcmSucks: then you have it
[11:06] <bcmSucks> jrib, i did not see oo.o listed in the graphical 'Software  Update Manager' ... with the tick boxes next to it as in the case of the kernel files, avahi etc.
[11:06] <bcmSucks> jrib, thats how i got confused. sorry
[11:06] <jrib> idk, maybe it was already installed?
[11:06] <jrib> bcmSucks: np
[11:12] <bcmSucks> jrib, did you just call me idk?
[11:12] <jrib> idk = i don't know
[11:13] <bcmSucks> jrib, i could not have had it as edgy-proposed is not automatic in sources list. no?
[11:13] <jrib> right, it is not enabled by default
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75818 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "no more sound with linux-image-2.6.15-27-686" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75818
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71532 in units (universe) "can't scroll up in help, PAGER not set to less" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71532
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75819 in Ubuntu "Adjusting mouse motion acceleration has no effect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75819
[11:21] <bcmSucks> 6432 needs at least two or three independent confirmations for each bug report mentioned in the changelog to be part of updates.
[11:22] <bcmSucks> I would like to uninstall oo.o and go through the process once more. Where best to get help on uninstall?
[11:23] <coNP> what do you think, can I reject #71532
[11:23] <coNP> This is not even a bug, I think, and surely not a bug in 'units'.
[11:35] <bcmSucks> jrib, after desired oo.o is installed i should comment out the sources list entry for 'proposed main' . no?
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75820 in Ubuntu "KDE menu empty after last upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75820
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75821 in gdm (main) "Unable to open gdmsetup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75821
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75822 in mono (main) "Sudden crash when using OpenOffice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75822
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75823 in typo3-site-installer (universe) "[Package Removal Request]  typo3-site-installer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75823


[00:45] <jamiej> Please does any one know is it possible to make ldm auto login now?
[06:02] <LaserJock> highvoltage: did I ping you?
[06:03] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep
[06:03] <highvoltage> night before last night
[06:04] <highvoltage> first time I see you online again now :)
[06:06] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:06] <LaserJock> I don't think I know what I wanted to ask you
[06:07] <LaserJock> could have been something to do with edubuntu.org but I don't know
[06:09] <highvoltage> ok, np
[06:11] <LaserJock> oh, maybe I remember
[10:00] <pacomontoro> wenas
[10:00] <pacomontoro> nas
[12:44] <sbalneav> Morning a;;
[12:44] <sbalneav> err, all
[12:47] <dtrask> mornin' fellas
[12:48] <dtrask> RichEd: You in here yet?
[12:48] <stgraber> I managed to install edubuntu on virtualbox, after 4 install :)
[12:49] <stgraber> now let's create some thin clients
[12:53] <dtrask> moquist_: you in here?
[12:55] <dtrask> If anyone has the ability to do skype with video....I want to show ya'll who benefits from your awesome work
[12:56] <pips1> will the edubuntu weekly meeting happen, or are you folks all to busy?
[12:57] <pips1> busy / just getting up / grabbing breakfast / hung over / ...? :-)
[12:57] <sbalneav> pips1: Good question.  I don't know
[12:57] <sbalneav> I'm up, had breakfast, etc.
[12:57] <sbalneav> Ollie's still putting his face on :)
[12:57] <pips1> hehe
[12:58] <pips1> what about the german lederhosen?
[12:58] <dtrask> where's moquist_?
[12:59] <pips1> who was at uds paris?
[12:59] <pips1> from in here?
[13:00] <pips1> ah
[13:01]  * pips1 glances at the channel participants list
[13:01] <dtrask> sbalneav: is moquist around?
[13:03] <sbalneav> dtrask: Haven't seen him as yet.
[13:03] <sbalneav> Ollie's here now.
[13:06] <RIchEd> yo dtrask
[13:06] <RIchEd> and pips1
[13:06] <dtrask> RIchEd: hey
[13:07] <RichEd> dtrask: let me check the schedule to see when we have a free slot this morning ...
[13:07] <pips1> hi
[13:07] <dtrask> RIchEd: we're up for vid hookup if you guys are....just called moquist...I'm going to have him fire up Skype in a minute so I can show you guys the little kids using Tuxpaint to make Halloween pics
[13:08] <RichEd> cool ... just sorting out the schedule for the day ... will be with you as soon as possible
[13:08] <stgraber> dtrask: I'm currently at a roundtable, I'll be with the edubuntu guys at 9:50
[13:08] <dtrask> I basically have the 10:10 - 10:50 time period....15 mins should be more than enough if anyone can squeeze in there...if not...no big deal
[13:09] <dtrask> RichEd: we can watch you guys work  ;-)
[13:10] <pips1> dtrask: question: Is it possible to have a group video chat in Skype at all? where I could join you guys in the Skype session from here?
[13:11] <pips1> probably not...
[13:11] <pips1> I think video chat only works two-way...
[13:12] <dtrask> pips1: never tried...no idea....moquist has a MacBook Pro...and we tried it yesterday....if he could hook up to a projector that would be cool...are you at UDS?
[13:12] <pips1> nope
[13:12] <dtrask> pips1: I'm not at the moment...was, but had to come back to teach a couple days...head back in a few hours
[13:12] <pips1> ah
[13:13] <dtrask> pips1: I have little 5 year olds in here using Edubuntu
[13:13] <pips1> dtrask: I've also started teaching a class here in zurich :-)
[13:13] <pips1> dtrask: 5 year olds! wow
[13:13] <pips1> I teach grown ups though
[13:14] <pips1> I guess the small and and the grown ups are fun to teach... perhaps the teenagers in-between can be a bit difficult :-)
[13:21] <pips1> hmm
[13:22] <pips1> I see mostly flash based multi-user video chats...
[13:22] <pips1> http://www.kolabora.com/news/2004/11/18/flashbased_video_conferencing_solutions_on.htm
[13:23] <dtrask> ok guys...that was very cool
[13:23] <dtrask> I'll use the LCD projector  later so they can all see
[13:23] <pips1> nice one
[13:25] <dtrask> RichEd: That was cool...so...if possible we'll try and hook up in the 10 o'clock hour sometime...I can put you guys up on the LCD projector and set the camera up so you guys can see more of the class
[13:26] <dtrask> RichEd: if moquist is able...you too can use a projector perhaps...we can even watch you guys work and I'll ask some simple questions about what you're doing and all
[13:26]  * pips1 wonders if there is a record function in skype
[13:28] <dtrask> pips1: I'm actually using a firewire camera...so what I can do is record my end of things and post it.
[13:29] <pips1> meanwhile, I found out that skype can currently only do video calls with two participants, no video conference calls.
[13:30] <pips1> dtrask: nice
[13:30] <pips1> "Currently you cannot record your Skypecast from within Skype"
[13:31] <dtrask> pips1: do you have a Mac?  iChat can do video conferencing AFAIK
[13:31] <dtrask> multiple
[13:31] <dtrask> pips1: dunno if moquist has an account, but it's a possibility
[13:32] <pips1> interesting. yes, we have an imac, my wife uses it mostly.
[13:33] <pips1> I think you guys should go ahead with what you arleady tested... only 30 mins to go. :-)
[13:34] <pips1> I was just thinking out loud... curious. :-)
[13:34] <dtrask> :-)
[13:35] <dtrask> moquist_: do you have a video dongle/adapter for your MBP?
[13:43] <moquist_> dtrask: not with me
[13:45] <pips1> hi moquist_
[13:46] <dtrask> moquist_: it'd be cool even to just have a vid chat with you
[13:47] <dtrask> moquist_: I'll keep the questions simple  ;-)
[13:48] <dtrask> moquist_: I'll make you famous in the eyes of 9 and 10 year olds  ;-)
[13:49] <ulisse> hello guys!
[13:49] <pips1> hi
[13:49] <ulisse> i have a little question about thin client:
[13:50] <ulisse> is it possible to serve the OS via an ethernet cable, but have the thin client connected to internet via a wireless card?
[13:50] <ulisse> I mean, the difficult thing should be to run the wifi card on the client, right?
[13:52] <pips1> ulisse: i don't have an answer to you question, but i'm curious why you want to do that.. :-)
[13:52] <ulisse> heh
[13:52] <ulisse> it is because an crazy law here in Italy
[13:52] <ulisse> (another crazy law, not the one we got slashdotted recently)
[13:52] <pips1> heh
[13:53] <ulisse> I want to run the clients in an hotel, for free public acces
[13:53] <ulisse> but according to that law, I have to keep a log of the users connections
[13:53] <ulisse> if I can use the wireless, I could make the clients connect via the Free-Hotspot system
[13:54] <ulisse> and the log would be managed directly by their servers
[13:54] <pips1> i see
[13:56] <pips1> there seems no limit to what crazy setups people want to do :-)
[13:56] <pips1> your explanation makes sense though
[13:56] <pips1> sorry I'm no help
[13:57] <pips1> most edubuntu / ltsp devs are probably rather busy at the developer summit right now...
[13:57] <pips1> so you might not be heard / get an answer just now... :-/
[13:58] <pips1> got to run.. cu l8r
[13:58] <ulisse> np, I think the best solution will be to not use ltsp, anyway I'm talking about only two pc
[13:58] <ulisse> thanks anyway
[13:58] <dtrask_> name of the gobby doc?
[13:58] <pips1> ulisse: cu
[14:01] <sakhi> hi
[14:01] <sakhi> highvoltage: hi
[14:01] <sakhi> ltps
[14:01] <dtrask_> highvoltage: Hi!
[14:03] <dtrask_> the UI in italc is something that needs a lot of work
[14:03] <dtrask_> at least in my opinion
[14:03] <sakhi> I have just installed Edubuntu 7.10 on 2 servers, the thin client boots on the one server but it does not boot on the second server. what could be wrong?
[14:03] <sakhi> Both the server's have the same spec
[14:07] <sakhi> jvanrooyen: ohi
[14:07] <jvanrooyen> sakhi: hey
[14:12] <bddebian> Heya
[14:19] <dtrask_> moquist_: the kids are here and VERY excited.  Even if we could just talk to you, that would be cool
[14:20] <dtrask_> RichEd: if you guys cn spare about 10 mins at some point in the very near future, the kids are very excited about the prospect of meeting you guys
[14:20] <RichEd> great ... can we do it in 15 mins ?
[14:21] <RichEd> moquist_ is wrapped up with the italc BOF and note taking
[14:22] <RichEd> dtrask_: it would be great if we could get a little exercise going along the line we spoke about with the kids contributing ... how about asking them to write an letter / email to the edubuntu guys on the topics:
[14:22] <RichEd> #1 why i like using computers at school
[14:22] <RichEd> #2 why i like using edubuntu
[14:23] <RichEd> even if they all do not complete the "exercise" it should make for some sweet quotes we can put up onto the web site ?
[14:23] <dtrask_> RichEd: that would be perfect....class ends at 10:50...it's 10:22 right now...so it'll give us enough time to have a short chat
[14:24] <RichEd> cool ... raise the idea above with the kids, and it will give us a topic to chat about ... they can answer the questions verbally today, and then sit down to write them tomorrow
[14:24] <dtrask_> you bet
[14:24] <RichEd> (that is if they have recovered from the halloween sugar buzzzzzzz .... by the time they get back to school)
[14:30]  * dtrask_ readies for the video conference...kids are PUMPED!
[14:36] <dtrask_> RichEd: we are ready when you are
[14:37] <dtrask_> moquist_: we are ready....can you begin?
[14:38] <RichEd> dtrask_: moquist_ is firing up the electronic wormhole
[14:48] <highvoltage> hi sakhi and dtrask_!
[14:50] <dtrask_> RichEd: that was VERY cool for the kids...thanks so much
[14:51] <RichEd> thanks to you guys too ... it was a good seed ... we can grow from that little intro ... the kids can now visualise us if you set them tasks
[14:56] <dtrask_> RichEd: exactly...and it went vey well considering we threw it together in 10 mins  ;-)
[15:01] <stgraber> and video quality wasn't that bad with the poor bandwidth we had (probably something like 10kB/s)
[15:04] <dtrask_> stgraber: wow...that's pretty slow  ;-)
[15:05] <stgraber> well we have a T1 connection for the whole hotel IIRC :)
[15:06] <stgraber> they then use transparent proxying + mirror
[15:07] <sakhi> kbye
[15:07] <stgraber> ogra: I'm doing an italc install on Virtualbox so you can have an idea of what we'll need to do to have it working on thin clients
[15:17] <dtrask_> stgraber: good point
[15:18] <ogra> stgraber, great !
[15:30] <stgraber> ogra: I have it working :)
[15:30] <ogra> yay
[15:31] <dtrask_> stgraber: I'm blogging the video chat...where are you from?
[15:31] <RichEd> swisserlund
[15:31] <sbalneav> The land of Chocolate, Banking, and army knives.
[15:32] <dtrask_> thx....three of my fave things!
[15:32] <dtrask_> love the bobsleds too
[15:32] <dtrask_> oh..and a certain kind of cheese
[15:32] <RichEd> and don't forget .... Heidie
[15:33] <dtrask_> Oh yeah....I remember Heidi!
[15:36] <stgraber> ogra: only problem I have is a "Authentication failed" error in the notification area and I can't figure out what's causing it ...
[15:36] <stgraber> dtrask_: yep, switzerland
[15:36] <stgraber> ogra: where are you ?
[15:38] <ogra> in the corridor next to the mobile room
[15:44] <groovedreamer> elo
[15:45] <groovedreamer> hi gnomefreak
[15:45] <groovedreamer> bddebian: spox
[15:46] <groovedreamer> bddebian: not yet?
[15:46] <bddebian> Hrm?
[15:46] <groovedreamer> bddebian: yes
[15:47] <bddebian> yes what?
[15:47] <groovedreamer> bddebian: sarge?
[15:47] <groovedreamer> hmm
[15:49] <groovedreamer> now woman no cry
[15:49] <bddebian> groovedreamer: I'm sorry, I am not following.
[15:49] <groovedreamer> bddebian:  you've got
[15:57] <bddebian> WTF?
[16:03] <sbalneav> Wow
[16:03] <sbalneav> That was.... existential :)
[17:18] <stgraber> ogra: ping
[17:20] <ogra> stgraber, pong
[17:21] <stgraber> ogra: we are working on the italc thing, should we import the upstream svn and then re-upload on bzr or simply use bzr for the debian/ and then use dpatch ?
[17:22] <ogra> stgraber, i hink LP has an option to point a bzr import to a svn root
[17:22] <ogra> so create a team and a branch in that team
[17:22] <ogra> point that branch to pull from upstreams svn
[17:23] <stgraber> not directly, I managed to import the svn though and can re-uploaed to bzr so we keep the revisions
[17:23] <stgraber> but do we want to work directly on the code and then create our own orig package or create an orig from SVN and then patch it as we do with most packages ?
[17:28] <stgraber> ogra: ^
[17:30] <ogra> yeah
[17:45] <stgraber> ogra: how can you answer "yeah" to a "or" question ? :)
[17:46] <LaserJock> stgraber: ogra can do anything ;-)
[17:46] <ogra> stgraber, i can do that only if Burgundavia distracts me all the time :P
[17:48] <stgraber> ogra: so ? :)
[17:49] <ogra> yeah
[17:50] <sbalneav> ogra's being deliberately obstreperous
[17:50] <stgraber> :)
[17:54] <Burgundavia> heh
[18:03] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UDS-Boston
[18:03] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UDS-Boston
[18:03] <Burgundavia> http://www.bangkokpost.com/Database/31Oct2007_data01.php
[18:05] <Nubae> hi, I'm running gutsy on a thin client computer that seems to have apic problems...
[18:05] <Nubae> How can I get it to start up with apic off?
[18:08] <sbalneav> Edit the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default file
[18:09] <sbalneav> add "noapic" to the kernel command line.
[18:24] <Nubae> thanks, but will that not do that for every client then?
[18:24] <Nubae> or does that not really matter?
[18:26] <ogra> LaserJock, did the wlan on your classmate under XP work ?
[18:28] <LaserJock> ogra: yes it did
[18:29] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't think I got it to work under linkux
[18:29] <LaserJock> *linux
[18:29] <LaserJock> but I didn't investigate it much, it could've been on my side
[18:30] <ogra> intresting
[18:30] <ogra> i cant get it to find anything here
[18:32] <Nubae> well, the noapic variable worked, but now the system simply freezes and gets stuck just after stating loading initrd.img and then redy
[18:32] <Nubae> Ready
[18:32] <Nubae> cant even ctrl+alt+del
[18:33] <Nubae> when I say worked I mean it took the 8254 bios timer bug message away
[18:34] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, basically it seemed like it didn't see any wireless networks
[18:36] <ogra> so how did you get it to see one than ?
[18:37]  * ogra tries to get this XP crap going here
[18:37] <ogra> heh, my linux classmate actually sees the lpc mesh
[18:37] <ogra> *olpc
[18:38] <LaserJock> interesting
[18:39] <LaserJock> ogra: in Windows everything is fine, in Linux I don't think it sees any networks
[18:39] <LaserJock> at least I think that's what I remember
[18:39] <LaserJock> I can check tonight
[18:43] <fgiraldeau> ogra : is it possible to update blueprint for italc, to set the wiki page?
[18:43] <fgiraldeau> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-and-italc
[18:48] <ogra> fgiraldeau, url ?
[18:49] <stgraber> ogra: busy ?
[18:49] <ogra> partially
[18:50] <ogra> (flashing classmates here)
[18:50] <stgraber> ogra: I have a 50% working iTalc <IP_ADDRESS> (svn), the VNC part crash but no more authentication problem
[18:51] <stgraber> ogra: we are just thinking of the way we should run it on the client
[18:51] <stgraber> so they can't simply kill it
[18:51] <stgraber> (as they can do with tcm)
[18:53] <fgiraldeau> no more authentication problem, since there is no authentication at all
[18:53] <ogra> cool
[18:56] <fgiraldeau> localapps
[19:00]  * fgiraldeau in the brooks room
[20:15] <stgraber> ogra: I no longer have that ica icon :)
[20:15] <stgraber> (one line patch)
[20:16] <stgraber> well, not even a line, one character patch acutally
[20:16] <stgraber> s/acutally/actually/
[20:21] <ogra> cool
[20:21] <ogra> !
[20:22] <sbalneav> stgraber: What was the character?  # ? :)
[20:37] <stgraber> sbalneav: yeah
[20:37] <stgraber> ogra: I removed the info bubble too
[20:37] <stgraber> this one is a 4 char change :)
[20:37] <stgraber> FALSE -> TRUE
[20:40] <stgraber> and I'm removing the no config file warning too (the first window you see when opening the teacher part)


[04:18] <nuvolari> o/
[04:18] <nuvolari> mornings
[04:28] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[04:29] <nuvolari> hello superfly
[04:30] <nuvolari> hmm, do you also have some of oom Kilos' emails in your spam folder?  Anyone with an idea how to?
[10:56] <oscarcarl> good day george, please assist as a matter of urgency as I need to reload my os>
[11:00] <drussell> oscarcarl: the vodafone webbook is (iirc) based around an ARM SoC (system on chip) so none of the normal install methods or media will work
[11:24] <oscarcarl> any other way?
[11:29] <superfly> maybe one of the "armhf" images from here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/13.10/release/
[11:30] <superfly> I have no clue, this is just a suggestions
[11:35] <oscarcarl> tried it, doen't work
[11:36] <oscarcarl> Typical vodacom. Doesn't release the software with their product. Must say, one of the kakest brand names. And on top, thieves.
[11:37] <oscarcarl> Can't believe that ubuntu has gone in with them. Vodacom must have sponsered a lot of money.> Shit.
[11:46] <inetpro> first time I ever hear from anyone buying the Vodafone webbook
[11:56] <inetpro> oscarcarl: how long have you had it for?
[12:00] <Kilos> hi oscarcarl
[12:20] <oscarcarl> yes more than 2 years.. Now vodacom want me to take it in and reload the os, and charge me. Quite a joke.
[12:21] <oscarcarl> So I would say that is thievery.
[12:22] <oscarcarl> I took it in 6 times. Now the warranty has expired. So, sounds like comunisim,
[12:24] <oscarcarl> I could do it myself to install, but as it has been said, iirc around arm. can't do nothing about that. Will through it away.
[12:25] <oscarcarl> it was only to do e-mails though and for the price, not bad at all. but anyway. I
[12:26] <oscarcarl>  have 4 work phones for renewal for Januray 2014. vodacom has just lost my business forever!!!!!!!
[12:27] <oscarcarl> Hi
[12:34] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[12:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:47] <Kilos> oscarcarl, can it connect to a pc?
[12:49] <oscarcarl> nope, does not work.
[12:49] <Kilos> why do you want to reload. can you try fix the existing os
[12:49] <oscarcarl> how. Can't even go into bios
[12:49] <Kilos> are they made with connector to pc?
[12:49] <Kilos> oh my
[12:50] <oscarcarl> you could, but not going to work
[12:50] <Kilos> have you tried removing the battery for 10 mins
[12:50] <oscarcarl> only 2 ubs ports
[12:50] <Kilos> hopefully bios will reset
[12:50] <oscarcarl> yes, done all of that.
[12:50] <Kilos> ouch
[12:51] <oscarcarl> vodacom is a joke
[12:51] <Kilos> so it doesnt even switch on then?
[12:52] <oscarcarl> yes it does. get to go into shell, but how to reset evrything and change the pastword, can't do.
[12:52] <oscarcarl> password
[12:52] <oscarcarl> ?
[12:53] <oscarcarl> you need to get into the bios.
[12:53] <Kilos> when you plug it into the pc like that can the pc see anything?
[12:53] <Kilos> you have a ubuntu pc roght?
[12:53] <Kilos> right
[12:53] <oscarcarl> I tried everything. Just does not work. When trying to go into bios , I get blocked.
[12:54] <oscarcarl> it is a webbook from vodafone.
[12:55] <oscarcarl> only 4Gig hd, and 525b ram. I have used it only for mails.
[12:55] <Kilos> i dont know any modern fone thingies but was thinking maybe if ubuntu can see it a fsck might sort it
[12:55] <oscarcarl> it is not a fone, it is a webbook
[12:56] <oscarcarl> how do you do the fsck?
[12:56] <Kilos> well first your pc must see it so you have a path
[12:56] <Kilos> like /media/something
[12:56] <oscarcarl> wait quik. I switch it on.
[12:58] <oscarcarl> ok, just hang ten
[12:58] <Kilos> ok
[12:59] <oscarcarl> ok
[12:59] <Kilos> if not /media/something it will show as /dev/something
[12:59] <oscarcarl> ls
[12:59] <oscarcarl> done it. bin, dev, init, lib mnt, root ect.
[13:00] <oscarcarl> the directories.
[13:00] <Kilos> can disk utility or gparted see it
[13:00] <Kilos> what ubuntu are you using
[13:00] <oscarcarl> no, I am in the shell
[13:00] <Kilos> oh on the thing
[13:01] <oscarcarl> no disk utility
[13:01] <Kilos> try sudo touch /force/fsck
[13:01] <Kilos> then reboot it
[13:01] <oscarcarl> in the  "command peomt"
[13:01] <oscarcarl> "promt"
[13:01] <Kilos> it should then run a filesystem check on booting
[13:02] <Kilos> yes
[13:02] <oscarcarl> what command do I type
[13:02] <Kilos> it is ubuntu on there hey?
[13:02] <oscarcarl> ?
[13:02] <oscarcarl> correct
[13:02] <Kilos> sudo touch /force/fsck
[13:02] <oscarcarl> only ubuntu.
[13:02] <Kilos> just like that
[13:02] <Kilos> then you need to know the password you been using
[13:03] <oscarcarl> you see sudo is not found
[13:03] <Kilos> eish
[13:03] <oscarcarl> Can't remember that. Changed it about 16 times
[13:03] <oscarcarl> buggerd ne?
[13:03] <Kilos> try passwd
[13:04] <oscarcarl> says /bin/sh: sudo: not found
[13:04] <Kilos> try apt-get install sudo
[13:04] <oscarcarl> ok same, not found?
[13:04] <Kilos> or even try the command without sudo
[13:04] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: does "ls /bin/*" show anything?
[13:05] <oscarcarl> not found
[13:05] <oscarcarl> wait
[13:05] <SilverCode> does it say "ls" isn't found?
[13:05] <oscarcarl> yes cd bin and then ls
[13:05] <oscarcarl> yes, directories there.
[13:06] <oscarcarl> nope
[13:06] <SilverCode> ok, what does "echo $PATH" ?
[13:06] <oscarcarl> hang
[13:06] <SilverCode> wow
[13:06] <SilverCode> sounds like the HDD in that thing could be on the way out
[13:07] <oscarcarl> there is a directory echo in bin
[13:07] <Squirm> oscarcarl: hang for hang on or is it hanging
[13:07] <oscarcarl> hang on......
[13:07] <oscarcarl> funny
[13:07] <SilverCode> oh, right
[13:07] <SilverCode> then maybe not the drive :)
[13:07] <oscarcarl> the hdd is fine.....smile
[13:08] <oscarcarl> :0
[13:08] <SilverCode> also, what does "/usr/bin/whoami" show?
[13:09] <oscarcarl> Iwait.......
[13:09] <oscarcarl> is that in the bin directory, the command?
[13:10] <SilverCode> no, it is in /usr/bin/ directory
[13:10] <SilverCode> you should just be able to type it in like that and it will run regardless of where it is relative to your current path
[13:11] <oscarcarl> it says permission denied....after typing /usr/bin/
[13:12] <SilverCode> hmm..
[13:12] <SilverCode> do you know if you are able to get into a grub boot menu when the machine boots up?
[13:13] <oscarcarl> I can't, been denied
[13:13] <oscarcarl> esc, and just say denied , denied
[13:14] <oscarcarl> so i went in to the shell kernell, button on the back of the webbook
[13:14] <SilverCode> it sounds like your filesystem and/or permissions have been messed up
[13:14] <Kilos> did you type in wrong passwd a few times
[13:14] <oscarcarl> Yes
[13:14] <SilverCode> hang on
[13:15] <oscarcarl> ok
[13:15] <SilverCode> wait, no, that won't work
[13:15] <SilverCode> how much do you know about linux (I just need to gauge what is possible)?
[13:15] <oscarcarl> gauge?
[13:16] <SilverCode> for instance, do you know if you are logged in as root right now?
[13:16] <oscarcarl> I switch a button on the back of the webbook and can get into ubuntu installer main menu
[13:16] <oscarcarl> that all
[13:16] <SilverCode> ok
[13:16] <oscarcarl> and can get to the Execute a shell
[13:17] <SilverCode> what options does the menu offer?
[13:17] <SilverCode> actually, lets step back a bit
[13:17] <oscarcarl> Cant boot from flashdrive. I can connect the webbook to the internet but do not know the commands in execute a shell
[13:18] <SilverCode> what happens when you turn the netbook on, and what do you want/expect to happen (I missed the actual issue with the netbook)
[13:18] <oscarcarl> ok.....
[13:18] <oscarcarl> configure the keyborad,
[13:18] <oscarcarl> detect and mount cd rom
[13:19] <oscarcarl> load debconf preconfiguration file
[13:19] <oscarcarl> load installer componants from cd
[13:19] <oscarcarl> change debconf priority
[13:20] <oscarcarl> it gives me ubuntu installer after it can't read from the flash drive
[13:21] <oscarcarl> critical, high, medium, or low...that is the 4 options
[13:21] <SilverCode> I'm starting to go back to my original suspicion that the drive is failing/failed
[13:22] <SilverCode> if both the bootloader and the installer can't detect the drive, then there is likely something wrong with the dirve
[13:22] <SilverCode> *drive
[13:22] <oscarcarl> I can boot the system  up, but then it now ask me for a password
[13:22] <SilverCode> but it is hard to say for sure without having it infront of me
[13:22] <oscarcarl> I do not remember it
[13:22] <SilverCode> is that the only issue?
[13:23] <SilverCode> I tought the system woulnd't boot
[13:23] <SilverCode> or didn't boot to a GUI
[13:23] <oscarcarl> so, I need a fresh install, and can't get it right
[13:23] <oscarcarl> it boots now, for the first time again.
[13:23] <oscarcarl> know it ask for a past word?
[13:23] <Kilos> ouch
[13:24] <oscarcarl> wait
[13:24] <SilverCode> that makes things simpler and more complicated at the same time
[13:24] <oscarcarl> I know.
[13:24] <SilverCode> if you could get into the grub menu you could boot to single user mode and change the password
[13:25] <oscarcarl> is there no way I can get into grub via "command prompt"?
[13:26] <oscarcarl> There is a execute a shell, which gives me the ability to go to the "command prompt'
[13:26] <oscarcarl> it says then, the root file system is a ram disk
[13:27] <Kilos> what is a netbook?
[13:27] <Kilos> like a lappy?
[13:27] <SilverCode> if I understand the layout of that netbook correctly, the command prompt you are entering sounds like some sort of recovery shell
[13:27] <oscarcarl> the hard disk file system are mounted on "/target" the editor available is nano.
[13:28] <oscarcarl> something like that.
[13:28] <SilverCode> which would be perfect ... if it actually seemed to work, but as you said above, you don't seem to have full access in that shell
[13:28] <oscarcarl> yes correct
[13:29] <oscarcarl> so how do i go about this? that is waht vodafone is doing.
[13:29] <oscarcarl> So now after 2 years, I have to start paying for a system restore?
[13:30] <oscarcarl> no way. i refuse.
[13:30] <SilverCode> not sure how Vodafone would re-load Ubuntu to be honest
[13:30] <Kilos> can you google?
[13:30] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[13:30] <oscarcarl> And they do not want to give me their sofware vesion of ubuntu that was written for them.
[13:30] <Kilos> power might die here. storming
[13:31] <oscarcarl> ask who, done all of that yesterday the whole day.
[13:32] <oscarcarl> no I can't google, who can not? huh uh......boring :)
[13:32] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: what does "ls /usr/sbin/*" show?
[13:32] <Kilos> the password change bit?
[13:32] <oscarcarl> wait a sec
[13:32] <oscarcarl> not found
[13:33] <SilverCode> bloody hell
[13:33] <oscarcarl> I know.
[13:33] <SilverCode> what happens if you type chroot?
[13:33] <oscarcarl> ls then I can see some directories
[13:35] <oscarcarl> busybox v 1.13.3 (Ubuntu 1:1.13.3-1ubuntu) multi-vcall binary
[13:35] <SilverCode> ok, busybox, that helps
[13:35] <oscarcarl> usage: chroot newroot [command.......]
[13:35] <SilverCode> try "mount"
[13:35] <SilverCode> should list a bunch of stuff
[13:36] <oscarcarl> yes
[13:37] <SilverCode> is there a line that says something like "sda1 on /target"?
[13:37] <SilverCode> and if so, what exactly deos it say?
[13:37] <oscarcarl> ok, 5 lines goes as....
[13:38] <oscarcarl> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[13:38] <oscarcarl> none on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
[13:39] <oscarcarl> none on 'sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
[13:39] <oscarcarl> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime)
[13:40] <oscarcarl> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,mode=600)
[13:40] <oscarcarl> thats it
[13:41] <SilverCode> ok, try "fdisk -l /dev/sda"
[13:41] <oscarcarl> ok
[13:42] <oscarcarl> not found
[13:42] <SilverCode> does it say  the command "fdisk" isn't found, or that "/dev/sda" isn't found?
[13:42] <oscarcarl> sorry:
[13:43] <oscarcarl> wait
[13:44] <oscarcarl> are you getting anything i have just send?
[13:45] <oscarcarl> "/bin/sh: fdisk: not found"
[13:45] <oscarcarl> there we go
[13:45] <SilverCode> *sigh*
[13:45] <SilverCode> final stab at something, try "busybox --list"
[13:46] <SilverCode> that will list a bunch of commands that you can currently use
[13:46] <SilverCode> see if we can find anything in that list to work with
[13:46] <oscarcarl> "--list: applet not found"
[13:47] <oscarcarl> if I type help, there is a couple of commands...
[13:47] <oscarcarl> will that help you?
[13:47] <SilverCode> it might
[13:48] <oscarcarl> bg break cd chdir command continue echo eva1 exec exit
[13:49] <oscarcarl> export false fg getopts hash help jobs kill let loacal printf pwd read
[13:49] <oscarcarl> readonly return st shift source
[13:50] <oscarcarl> test times trap true type ulinit umask unset wait
[13:50] <oscarcarl> that is all the command in help
[13:50] <SilverCode> wow, they really stripped that busybox down
[13:50] <oscarcarl> yip
[13:51] <SilverCode> try "mount /dev/sda1"
[13:51] <SilverCode> wait, no
[13:51] <oscarcarl> busybox
[13:51] <oscarcarl> ok waiting
[13:51] <SilverCode> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[13:51] <SilverCode> (forgot teh mount point)
[13:53] <oscarcarl> mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on mnt failed: No such file or directory
[13:53] <SilverCode> ls /
[13:54] <oscarcarl> I typed just busybox and more defined fucktions has come up
[13:54] <oscarcarl> yes
[13:54] <oscarcarl> yes about 13 directories
[13:54] <SilverCode> ok, type "mkdir /tmp/mount"
[13:54] <oscarcarl> ok
[13:54] <SilverCode> that should create a folder /tmp/mount
[13:55] <SilverCode> ten type "mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/mount"
[13:55] <SilverCode> *then
[13:55] <SilverCode> hopefully that will mount the hard drive to /tmp/mount
[13:55] <oscarcarl> there is already a tmp directory under ls
[13:55] <oscarcarl> will that overite?
[13:56] <SilverCode> no, it will create a new directory undet /tmp calles "mount"
[13:56] <SilverCode> *called
[13:56] <SilverCode> ...or give you an error that you can't do that
[13:56] <oscarcarl> wait
[13:57] <oscarcarl> cannot create directory '/tmp/mount': file exist
[13:58] <SilverCode> ok, then just do the 2nd part "mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/mount"
[13:59] <Kilos> whew heavy storm
[13:59] <Kilos> inetpro, stay at work till its gone over
[14:00] <oscarcarl> mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/mount failed: No such file or directory
[14:01] <SilverCode> I'm starting to run out of ideas
[14:02] <SilverCode> basically what I wanted to do was mount the hard drive, chroot to it so the command line you are working in modifies the correct files
[14:02] <SilverCode> then use passwd to reset the password of your user account
[14:02] <oscarcarl> not found
[14:02] <SilverCode> but busybox doesn't seem to want to play along and offer up the info and utilites I need for this
[14:03] <oscarcarl> That is why I am saying that vodacom, the service provider and fodafone are buggering everything up
[14:04] <oscarcarl> amr and ubuntu have to listen to vodacom though
[14:04] <oscarcarl> just a way of protecting there products and forcing people to pay after wrranties expired and make mony
[14:04] <oscarcarl> money
[14:05] <SilverCode> there are other ways to get around this, but it is beyond the scope of IRC help
[14:06] <oscarcarl> who could I contact then?
[14:06] <SilverCode> any competent Linux person in your area should be able to assist
[14:06] <SilverCode> don't know of any specific companies though
[14:07] <SilverCode> you in CPT area right?
[14:07] <oscarcarl> As i said, I am not going to pay a dime for this. I will most probbibly take a 10 pound hammer and squash this machine, before
[14:08] <oscarcarl> througing it away. :)
[14:08] <oscarcarl> yes sir
[14:10] <SilverCode> there is a 0XC0FFEE meetup happening this Saturday at 1pm at Jamaica Me Crazy in Woodstock. The guys that go to that those meetups are usually people who can help with problems like yours and are always happy meet new people
[14:11] <SilverCode> so maybe drop by there on Saturday with the netbook and see if anyone is willing to help
[14:11] <SilverCode> might cost yo a beer
[14:11] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[14:12] <SilverCode> http://0xc0ffee-cpt.co.za/
[14:12] <inetpro> oscarcarl: at least you got two years of usage out of it
[14:12] <oscarcarl> cool thx
[14:12] <oscarcarl> yip
[14:13] <inetpro> can't expect much more for just R1500
[14:13] <oscarcarl> 2 years minus 5 weeks for taking it in and reload the os. what a joke
[14:14] <oscarcarl> not giving me the os, they refuse.
[14:14] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: would you be willing to sell the thing? and if so, for how much?
[14:14] <oscarcarl> R 1200?
[14:14] <oscarcarl> Don't know.
[14:15] <inetpro> R1200 might be a bit steap
[14:16] <Kilos> steep
[14:16] <oscarcarl> I know, just a thumb suck. What would you say a good price is?
[14:16] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: interestingly a friend of mines netbook stopped charging recently and he wants to get a replacement (and know more than enough to reload the OS), but he isn't wanting to really spend more than R500 on a 2nd hand one
[14:16] <oscarcarl> I know that you could buy it for round R 1800 new working order though
[14:17] <inetpro> oscarcarl: how much did you pay initially?
[14:17] <oscarcarl> R 1800
[14:18] <inetpro> hmm...
[14:18] <inetpro> what's the average lifetime of a laptop these days?
[14:19] <oscarcarl> remember it is only 4 G hd, and 525 MB ram. Got a buil in camera, but that is about it.
[14:20] <oscarcarl> depends on the tempreture your cpu is running at.
[14:23] <inetpro> AFAIK companies replace laptops every 4 years these days
[14:23] <oscarcarl> Thanx for the assistance though. I have learned alot today again.
[14:24] <Kilos> oscarcarl, you must visit more often
[14:24] <inetpro> a rough guess from that means you loose about R450 per year
[14:24] <Kilos> when things are working too
[14:25] <oscarcarl> And these companies does not even make full use of these laptops
[14:25] <inetpro> so I guess R900 should be fair for a working webbook
[14:25] <inetpro> oscarcarl: that is true
[14:26] <oscarcarl> Yip, i am listening to all these negotiations going on. Intresting
[14:26] <inetpro> obviously I'm over simplifying with my calculation
[14:26] <oscarcarl> I mean there is companies that only started making use of windows 7 now, who has just gone of xp
[14:27] <oscarcarl> logic, important though, some people does not even have it. :)
[14:28] <Kilos> with that ram and cpu it should work fine on xp
[14:28] <oscarcarl> yeah wright
[14:28] <inetpro> but that webbook is really not worth much by the looks of things
[14:29] <oscarcarl> correct. entery market for typing, mails, and browsing.
[14:29] <inetpro> based on the following link: http://gearburn.com/2011/11/review-the-vodafone-webbook-cheap-plastic-nasty/
[14:29] <oscarcarl> Skype won't even work
[14:29] <oscarcarl> I know
[14:29] <oscarcarl> Done all this research
[14:30] <Kilos> ai!
[14:30] <Kilos> oscarcarl, you a student?
[14:31] <oscarcarl> And now want to charge for the os install of the os? sjoe. Even the poorest of the poor wil end up paying for this crap
[14:31] <oscarcarl> nope, which I was again though.
[14:32] <inetpro> oscarcarl: you can't blame them, they need to pay salaries
[14:33] <inetpro> the lesson in this is just not to buy from Vodafone and rather do your homework and be independent
[14:34] <inetpro> buy the hardware and install your own OS
[14:34] <Kilos> has it not got a cdrom even?
[14:35] <oscarcarl> nope
[14:35] <Kilos> use an external
[14:35] <oscarcarl> they won't sell it
[14:35] <oscarcarl> that does not even work
[14:37] <oscarcarl> I even tried the ubuntu mini, about 30 MB download. Did the whole inshala with LiLi usb creator, and still does not want to read the boot up or os.
[14:37] <oscarcarl> Vodafone and ubuntu has specifically wrote it for this machine. Running a iirc with arm cpu.
[14:39] <oscarcarl> This webbook was for one of my people working for me. Just mails basically.
[14:40] <oscarcarl> free software!
[14:40] <inetpro> so it just stopped working?
[14:40] <oscarcarl> go to fullypcgames.com
[14:40] <inetpro> or it stopped because you tried to upgrade?
[14:41] <oscarcarl> They have blocked the bios
[14:42] <oscarcarl> that as well.
[14:42] <oscarcarl> it came out with version 10.04
[14:42] <inetpro> I wonder what would be a good cheap replacement in the same league
[14:42] <Kilos> can you not even boot into bios with delete or F1
[14:43] <inetpro> even mobile phones have more oomph than that thing these days
[14:44] <oscarcarl> nope
[14:44] <oscarcarl> been blocked
[14:44] <Kilos> wow
[14:44] <Kilos> thats so they canncharge for repairs
[14:44] <Kilos> swines
[14:44] <oscarcarl> yip I know. Just the e-mails on phones is a bit irritating to read all the time
[14:45] <oscarcarl> rather get a a tablet
[14:45] <oscarcarl> google to find replacement
[14:46]  * inetpro still enjoys the value from purchasing the Acer Aspire One Happy more than two years ago
[14:47] <Kilos> i dont think youll find anything close to that price
[14:47] <inetpro> has it's problems but my wife is still using it
[14:47] <Kilos> second hand maybe
[14:49] <Kilos> inetpro, is there no way to boot into root terminal
[14:49] <Kilos> then reset password
[14:50] <Kilos> hi charl
[14:50] <charl> good afternoon
[14:50] <charl> hi Kilos
[14:50] <inetpro> Kilos: it's a ARM device
[14:50] <Kilos> i dunno what that is
[14:50] <Kilos> dont it have root?
[14:55] <oscarcarl> yes, buit can't excess it
[14:56] <Kilos> there must be a way
[14:56] <Kilos> vodafone knows how
[14:56] <oscarcarl> its the cpu
[14:56] <Kilos> so if you cant get into root you cant choose another boot device either
[14:57] <oscarcarl> I don't know?
[14:57] <Kilos> frustrating when they do things like that
[14:57] <oscarcarl> correct
[14:57] <oscarcarl> been blocked
[14:57] <oscarcarl> yip
[14:57] <Kilos> like branding 3g modems and cellphones
[14:57] <Kilos> grrr
[14:57] <oscarcarl> yip
[14:58] <Kilos> someone somewhere will know how to crack it
[14:58] <oscarcarl> but at least you could sell the phones to nabouring countries and it will work. Not this thing>
[14:59] <Kilos> would be interesting to try sort it out
[14:59] <Kilos> must be a way
[14:59] <oscarcarl> yip, but don't have time for this.
[14:59] <oscarcarl> yip
[14:59] <oscarcarl> Anyway, all go well, go shell.
[14:59] <Kilos> its like dstv decoders too. they plug into pc and can do anything to it
[15:00] <Kilos> good luck
[15:00] <Kilos> we live here
[15:00] <oscarcarl> and thx to SilverCode for the help.
[15:00] <oscarcarl> awe.
[15:00] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: no problem, just wish we could have actually gotten somewhere
[15:01] <oscarcarl> yip
[15:01] <inetpro> oscarcarl: don't give up and just be back here soon
[15:01] <oscarcarl> ok will do.
[15:02] <Kilos> safe to go home quick inetpro
[15:02] <Kilos> more rain tonight
[15:03] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... still have lots to do man
[15:03] <inetpro> but perhaps should do it from home
[15:03] <Kilos> ai!
[15:03] <inetpro> thanks for the heads up
[15:04] <Kilos> ok ill tell it to hold off
[15:04] <inetpro> :-)
[15:04] <Kilos> hehe
[15:04] <Kilos> we had 7 mm and 7 power offs
[15:21] <Kilos> here are replacement options for oscar
[15:21] <Kilos> http://www.ananzi.co.za/stuff/cheap-laptops-south-africa.html
[15:23] <theblazehen> hi all
[15:23] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[15:23] <Kilos> hows things
[15:23] <Kilos> finished exams?
[15:24] <theblazehen> Going well kilos, exams all finished. How's things with you?
[15:24] <Kilos> good ty
[15:25] <Kilos> building a wifi yagi but major work to do it properly
[15:25] <theblazehen> ah ok
[15:28] <Kilos> not easy to measure to .01mm with old eye
[15:28] <theblazehen> yeah, I'd believe
[15:28] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:29] <Kilos> but fun though if there is no rush
[15:31] <theblazehen> yeah
[15:31] <theblazehen> thanks will try it now
[15:31] <theblazehen> oops wrong vhannel
[15:31] <theblazehen> channel*
[17:16] <oscarcarl> webbook? password reset?
[17:33] <oscarcarl> ?
[17:33] <oscarcarl> any one
[17:33] <oscarcarl> ?
[17:35] <theblazehen> Hi?
[17:35] <theblazehen> oscarcarl, what is webbook
[17:36] <oscarcarl> almost like a netbook
[17:36] <theblazehen> Running ubuntu?
[17:36] <oscarcarl> 4 g hdd and 525MB ram
[17:36] <oscarcarl> very small
[17:36] <oscarcarl> yes.
[17:36] <theblazehen> On it now?
[17:37] <oscarcarl> Can't do reset of password.
[17:37] <theblazehen> What is the problem when you try? Do you get an error?
[17:37] <oscarcarl> Had a problem with booting, now working, but password is missing.
[17:37] <oscarcarl> not autheticating.
[17:37] <oscarcarl> wrong password.
[17:38] <oscarcarl> neet to reset, and can't
[17:38] <oscarcarl> yes. I am in the shell.
[17:39] <theblazehen> ok.  You should have a terminal. You then need to run passwd and your username, eg. 'passwd joe', then you can set a new password
[17:39] <oscarcarl> iow, command propt
[17:39] <oscarcarl> hang one second
[17:40] <oscarcarl> in the terminal.
[17:40] <theblazehen> k
[17:40] <theblazehen> root terminal?
[17:40] <oscarcarl> not found
[17:41] <oscarcarl> yip
[17:41] <oscarcarl> ls, gives me all the directories
[17:41] <theblazehen> ok...
[17:41] <oscarcarl> bin, dev, init, lib, root ect.
[17:42] <theblazehen> try /usr/bin/passwd your_username
[17:42] <oscarcarl> ok
[17:43] <oscarcarl> not found
[17:43] <theblazehen> well, I have one word left for you then :( -- "Shit"
[17:43] <theblazehen> No idea how to continue, sorry
[17:44] <oscarcarl> not found
[17:44] <oscarcarl> ok
[17:44] <oscarcarl> thx
[17:44] <theblazehen> Maybe try and reinstall orsomething
[17:44] <oscarcarl> can't
[17:44] <oscarcarl> does not want to accept
[17:45] <theblazehen> The install?
[17:45] <oscarcarl> any ubuntu mini or iso via flashdrive.
[17:45] <theblazehen> ah ok
[17:45] <theblazehen> well sorry man
[17:46] <oscarcarl> is there a way to connect via internet with the web book via the terminal?
[17:46] <Kilos> ohi oscarcarl you back
[17:47] <oscarcarl> yes, no flippen answer for nothing
[17:48] <Kilos> oscarcarl, does it only boot from the hdd? no option to boot from flash?
[17:49] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[17:49] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[17:49] <oscarcarl> yes, only from hd, but there is a button on the back, switch that you press and take you to the terminal.
[17:49] <psychicist> hi oscarcarl
[17:50] <oscarcarl> yes
[17:50] <Kilos> the password thing is a pain
[17:50] <Kilos> you gotta always keep password safe
[17:50] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <Kilos> lets see what google says
[17:51] <oscarcarl> I know. Windows does not have that prob though
[17:51] <oscarcarl> nothing. done it all
[17:52] <Kilos> can you boot as another user?
[17:53] <oscarcarl> there is other but do not know the password for that other either
[17:53] <oscarcarl> it just says other
[17:53] <Kilos> try make a new user
[17:53] <oscarcarl> I am at the terminal now
[17:53] <Kilos> and give it admin rights
[17:53] <oscarcarl> how?
[17:53] <Kilos> ai! i forgot sorry
[17:54] <Kilos> theblazehen, do you know
[17:54] <Kilos> ive only done it once , but forgot now how i did it
[17:54] <Kilos> i think i used sudo adduser something
[17:55] <Kilos> but sudo dont work on webthing
[17:55] <oscarcarl> that is not found
[17:55] <Kilos> lets see what we can find
[17:55] <theblazehen> not quite sure
[17:55] <theblazehen> think you can manually add in /etc/sudoers
[17:56] <Kilos> what happens if you hold down shift while booting
[17:56] <oscarcarl> wait a second, will try now
[17:56] <Kilos> somewhere i saw if that dont work try tapping shift all the time while booting
[17:58] <Kilos> here is the link to follow to change root password
[17:58] <Kilos> http://foralllinux.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-reset-root-password-in-ubuntu.html
[17:58] <Kilos> i dont know what you guys tried while i was offline
[18:00] <Kilos> theblazehen, he gets to the terminal by pushing some button on the thing but it cant find sudo from there or do anything that needs passwd
[18:00] <theblazehen> Yeah, I saw. No idea how to continue unfortunately
[18:01] <Kilos> i dunno what vodacom has done on that 10.04
[18:04] <oscarcarl> I am in command promp. done the LS and gives me al 16 directories. done the usr/paaswrd ect, does not work though
[18:05] <Kilos> what did it do when you hold down shift and boot
[18:09] <oscarcarl> nothing, screen goes on and of on and of
[18:10] <oscarcarl> and nothing happens. then as for password.
[18:10] <Kilos> and when you tap shift while booting
[18:10] <oscarcarl> can't get to the bios at all
[18:10] <oscarcarl> nothing
[18:10] <oscarcarl> esc-nothing
[18:10] <Kilos> no that should get you to a brub boot menu
[18:10] <oscarcarl> F1 nothing
[18:10] <Kilos> grub
[18:11] <oscarcarl> not found
[18:11] <Kilos> the bios is letting it boot, we just need to get the password changed
[18:12] <Kilos> ai! where are all the clever peeps
[18:14] <oscarcarl> yip
[18:15] <oscarcarl> password change
[18:15] <Kilos> you did hold down the left shift key hey?
[18:16] <Kilos> right doesnt work
[18:17] <Kilos> goosie waar is jy man
[18:35] <Kilos> oscarcarl, whats happening
[18:36] <oscarcarl> nothing
[18:36] <Kilos> i looked for lappies in that price rang for you
[18:36] <oscarcarl> nobody seems to know linux the way tey should around here.
[18:37] <Kilos> range
[18:37] <oscarcarl> nothing really
[18:37] <Kilos> i found
[18:37] <oscarcarl> and?
[18:38] <oscarcarl> hang on, getting a sigarette now
[18:38] <Kilos> but thats only if we cant get a clever oke to help with this passwd thing
[18:38] <Kilos> http://www.ananzi.co.za/stuff/cheap-laptops-south-africa.html
[18:38] <Kilos> they all core2 duo with bigger drives for R1800
[18:38] <Kilos> proper lappys
[18:40] <Kilos> lots of ubuntu probs can be fixed by booting from a cd or flash but you dont even have that option
[18:40] <Kilos> as a matter of interest fone vodacom tomorrow and ask what they charge to reset the password
[18:41] <oscarcarl> they won't reset, they will load the os
[18:42] <oscarcarl> I am getting my money back for sure
[18:42] <oscarcarl> left a message and have send a mail to the MD. awaiting his feedback
[18:43] <oscarcarl> core 2 is to slow these days anyway.
[18:43] <Kilos> no man im running one with ubuntu 12.04 and win7
[18:44] <oscarcarl> And on top I need a proper vdeo driver
[18:44] <Kilos> oh my is a desktop
[18:44] <Kilos> oh havent lappies got good video
[18:44] <Kilos> i dont like then
[18:44] <oscarcarl> me neither
[18:44] <Kilos> only got old desktops here
[18:45] <oscarcarl> Desktop still stays the best though
[18:45] <Kilos> i think so too, but cant carry it around
[18:46] <oscarcarl> don't care
[18:46] <Kilos> a dual with 2g ram is fine nif its for an employee that needs mail and so on
[18:46] <Kilos> cant do modern gaming though
[18:47] <Kilos> good desktops are expensive
[18:47] <oscarcarl> yip, nor proper games
[18:47] <oscarcarl> fullypcgames.com
[18:47] <Kilos> i dont game since going ubuntu
[18:48] <Kilos> pc too slow and graphics cards too expensive
[18:48] <Kilos> has the webthing only got usb?
[18:48] <Kilos> how can you link it to another pc
[18:48] <oscarcarl> also expensive though
[18:48] <oscarcarl> usb data bundles
[18:49] <Kilos> yeah i know
[18:49] <Kilos> best is 8ta
[18:49] <Kilos> telkom
[18:49] <oscarcarl> yip
[18:49] <Kilos> 2+1 for R149
[18:49] <Kilos> where are you?
[18:49] <oscarcarl> I think I pay something like R 229 for 29 gig adsl though
[18:50] <oscarcarl> 20gig
[18:50] <Kilos> whew
[18:50] <oscarcarl> cpt
[18:50] <Kilos> i can only dream os such a cap
[18:50] <oscarcarl> where r u?
[18:50] <Kilos> lotsa clever peeps there but all superbusy with life
[18:50] <Kilos> pretoria
[18:51] <oscarcarl> pinkies
[18:51] <oscarcarl> pinkie bulle
[18:51] <Kilos> does that webthing have ethernet connector
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <Kilos> no man i support the sharks
[18:52] <oscarcarl> even worse
[18:52] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:52] <Kilos> didnt we win ?
[18:52] <oscarcarl> you know rugby 08?
[18:52] <Kilos> you a stormer
[18:52] <oscarcarl> currie cup though
[18:52] <oscarcarl> nope, Lion.
[18:52] <Kilos> well we still won
[18:53] <Kilos> ah
[18:53] <oscarcarl> Was gone out of the super 15 but back this year. NOW THAT IS A SHIT TEAM IN THE SUPER !%.
[18:53] <Kilos> hey man has the thing got ethernet connector
[18:53] <oscarcarl> 15
[18:53] <oscarcarl> CURRIE CUP SOSO
[18:53] <Kilos> hehe
[18:54] <Kilos> im a shark by heart and love natal
[18:54] <Kilos> but too old to do anything but hit a keyboard
[18:54] <oscarcarl> the webbook?
[18:54] <Kilos> yes the webthing
[18:54] <oscarcarl> nope
[18:54] <oscarcarl>  2 usb ports, that is it
[18:55] <Kilos> im trying to think how we can connect it to another pc
[18:55] <Kilos> ouch
[18:55] <oscarcarl> can't,
[18:55] <oscarcarl> tried alraedy
[18:55] <Kilos> ok so then
[18:55] <Kilos> first fone vodacom tomorrow and get price to reset password
[18:55] <oscarcarl> I am linked via a usb port to my modem onto my pc
[18:56] <oscarcarl> but pc does not pic up the webbook
[18:56] <Kilos> windows
[18:56] <oscarcarl> And I do need the command to l;nk to the pc
[18:56] <oscarcarl> pc is win 7 prof
[18:56] <Kilos> what os on pc?
[18:56] <Kilos> eish
[18:57] <Kilos> only thing windows picks up is virii and so on
[18:57] <Kilos> win cant see ext4 drives
[18:58] <oscarcarl> it can if you run it throughn the modem, but i have not had the time for this
[18:58] <Kilos> anyway my idea is
[18:58] <Kilos> we first gotta get into bios somehow
[18:59] <oscarcarl> cool, but not going to work as ubuntu needs a password
[18:59] <oscarcarl> yip
[18:59] <Kilos> then you need to beg steal or borrow and external dvdrom
[18:59] <oscarcarl> or flash, also working
[18:59] <Kilos> then once we got bios sorted then boot from a buntu cd
[18:59] <Kilos> or flash ya
[19:00] <Kilos> ok lemme keep trying to find how to get into that bios
[19:00] <oscarcarl> the problem still stays, that the way ubuntu and vodafone has written the os, it is protected.
[19:01] <oscarcarl> vodacom, asses
[19:01] <Kilos> if you can boot from a flsah you can force things to happen
[19:02] <oscarcarl> yip, but I can't. The ubunto os from the websides does not work on the masjien.
[19:02] <Kilos> all work from the cd will be cli commands
[19:03] <oscarcarl> the processor is arm and iirc system. That is the way it is designed.
[19:03] <Kilos> there are arm isos available
[19:03] <oscarcarl> you need someone to crack the os.
[19:04] <Kilos> look here
[19:04] <Kilos> http://community.vodacom.co.za/t5/Other-Devices/vodafone-webbook/td-p/657?redirected=true
[19:04] <oscarcarl> ok
[19:04] <Kilos> hard work for me to read all that
[19:04] <Kilos> you cant be the only one with that prob
[19:05] <Kilos> inetpro, jy drop my ne
[19:06] <oscarcarl> you see, vodacom does not want to give me the os. That is my whole point. I have been on the phone with them for almost 3 hours the past 2 days.
[19:07] <oscarcarl> They insist bringing it in. The warranty is gone and now I will be charged. So they can take the os and shuf it.
[19:07] <Kilos> how much do they charge?
[19:08] <oscarcarl> I don't know. I have 4 phones for renewal comming up in Jan. + one in Feb. They can forget about the business from me. WHAP BAM GONE.
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <oscarcarl> anyway, i am out an about, hitting tyhe pillows now. Tjorts
[19:12] <Kilos> night
[19:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight