[08:03] <DistroJockey> Arelis: well, it's just that .04 release is released in April (being the 4th month) and .10 in October
[08:03] <DistroJockey> as far as I know
[08:04] <tritium> That's correct, DistroJockey
[08:04] <DistroJockey> tritium: and Dapper was still called .04 ?
[08:05] <tritium> DistroJockey: no
[08:05] <DistroJockey> tritium: If so, then I guess it could be delayed, but I find it pretty stable, and they have a month
[08:05] <tritium> Dapper was called 6.06
[08:06] <DistroJockey> tritium: ahh, that's right
[08:06]  * DanaG goes to bed now.
[08:09] <teamcobra> night DanaG
[08:13] <Scientus> i killed my mbr with qemu and now i am having trouble getting grub reinstalled. ubuntu live 7.04 could recognize my drive ad i could mount it but grub wont recognize my partition formatting, and super grub disk doesnt reconize the formatting of my ext3 and wont booot it, but the live cd could see all the files and i open up my grub menu.1st and stuff any idea on getting grub working again???
[08:13] <vinayy1> whenever I try to run any application in system->administration menu, i see a "starting adminstrative application" in the taskbar at the bottom and then nothing happens.
[08:13] <vinayy1> seems like there's a problem with policykit
[08:13] <vinayy1> or something that prompts for root credentials.
[08:13] <vinayy1> any thoughts?
[08:29] <baudelaire> hey, everyone.   Has anyone else had problems with the Audacious 1.5.0 update?  I have to turn the equilizer off now and can't use any of my presets.  It seem to have changed the way that operates.  Anyone else experience this?
[08:30] <pen> my firefox now can't run gmail in new skin
[08:30] <pen> is it because of the version?
[08:32] <teamcobra> pen: is it 3b4? I just logged into gmail and everything looked fine
[08:32] <teamcobra> with a button to change to "older version" if I wanted
[08:32] <Arelis> I want to use Hardy Heron as my daily operating system, mainly because it is more stable than Gutsy (well, the final version..) and has support for my Wacom Bamboo Fun. I haven't fixed apt-get (broken dependencies, for example) before, but have had some problems with it, like it segmentation faulting all the time. Good choice, or not?
[08:32] <pen> teamcobra: yes
[08:33] <pen> teamcobra: now it switches to incompatible mode in this version of FF
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Arelis: if you can get around in hardy, and aren't using it for mission critical stuff (ie, you have time to fix it if it breaks), then yes.
[08:33] <pen> teamcobra: the most basic theme...
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Arelis: but if you need a guarenteed-working machine, all the time, and aren't good at problem solving, then gutsy's a better choice
[08:34] <Hobbsee> Arelis: a big part of the problem si that often people don't know the answer to whatever bug you have, so you do have to do some research.
[08:34] <Arelis> well i've had to fix gutsy all the time, too. It isn't always available, sometimes there are problems which prevent me from working, or from working efficiently.
[08:34] <teamcobra> hrm, not sure then :/
[08:35] <Hobbsee> Arelis: then you're probably "safe" with hardy.
[08:35] <Hobbsee> Arelis: at least, as safe as you are with gutsy :)
[08:36] <tritium> Arelis: note that hardy is _not_ more stable that gutsy at the moment.
[08:36] <Black_Magic> Well now im having problems with back and space
[08:36] <Black_Magic> if i write something long then i use the space button then start writting again
[08:36] <Black_Magic> it erases what ever words where behind the space -.-
[08:36] <baudelaire> hey, everyone.   Has anyone else had problems with the Audacious 1.5.0 update?  I have to turn the equilizer off now and can't use any of my presets.  It seem to have changed the way that operates.  Anyone else experience this?  Thanks for the help in advance.
[08:36] <Black_Magic> or if i just go to a part of a sentence and start typing it erases what was there with what im typing...
[08:37] <Arelis> of course, if i wouldn't have to spend so much time fixing problems on my computer, it'd be great.
[08:37] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: did hit hit the Insert key by mistake?
[08:38] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: did you hit ^
[08:38] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: I dont think >.> its been doing it for a bit
[08:38] <Black_Magic> lol
[08:38] <Black_Magic> >.>
[08:38] <Black_Magic> Ins key -.-
[08:38] <Black_Magic> What does that do anyways?
[08:38] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: switches between normal and typeover mode
[08:38] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: oh :/
[08:38] <Black_Magic> DistroJockey: Well sorry for asking...
[08:38] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: may depend on the aplication though
[08:39] <Black_Magic> ATM Xchat
[08:39] <DistroJockey> Black_Magic: no problem
[08:39] <Black_Magic> and kpdf
[08:39] <Black_Magic> Also has anyone noticed that the normal PDF viewer that comes with Ubuntu lags alot?
[08:39] <Black_Magic> and when you try and go down manully more then one page it starts sticking
[08:44] <justin007827> virtualbox-ose ? is this a good package to install for virtualization?
[08:45] <hischild> justin007827, that's virtualbox. It runs perfectly IMO
[08:45] <justin007827> hischild: thanks, do I need to select any other packages when installing in H.H.?
[08:46] <hischild> justin007827, no, that should do it.
[08:46] <justin007827> hischild: great, thanks a lot.
[08:47] <hischild> you're welcome
[08:49] <pen> when is FFb5 out?
[08:51] <Black_Magic> lol >.> elkbuntu How do i un ignore DrDerek :/
[08:52] <ere4si> my new xubuntu won't follow the choices I make for sessions in the settings manager :(
[09:00] <ere4si> I had conky starting after login and removed it from autostarted apps but the $*&#&%^ thing kept appearing - I had to uninstall it to stop it showing
[09:02] <Dr_willis> ere4si,  gnome has a session management feature that rembners started apps.
[09:02] <Dr_willis> xfce also has a similer feature. but i forget how its different from gnomes.
[09:03] <ere4si> Dr_willis: I'm using the new xubuntu :)
[09:03] <ere4si> k
[09:03] <Dr_willis> i though xfce desktop had aautostart apps setting tool. but i never messed withit
[09:03] <Dr_willis> i did like xfce on my laptop last week when i was trying it out
[09:05] <teamcobra> I'd never install an app named Conky, on principle ;)
[09:05] <ere4si> Dr_willis: I thought the interface from the settings manager should control the sessions - it is labeled "sessions"hehe
[09:05] <teamcobra> I've seen the Trailer Park Boys episodes ;)
[09:06] <Dr_willis> I got no idea what you are refering to teamcobra  :)
[09:06] <Dr_willis> conky is a nifty tool however.
[09:06] <Dr_willis> it dont work very nicely with kde/gnome at times :(
[09:07] <ere4si> I only didn't want it showing 'cause I was playing with gdesklets
[09:07] <teamcobra> Dr_willis: Canadian sitcom/mockumentary, "Conky" is a hand puppet that one of the characters has for 3 episodes out of 7 seasons.... and is pure evil
[09:07] <teamcobra> think Chucky from Child's Play, only a hand puppet, and blonde, with glasses
[09:09] <mohamed_> i installed nvidia driver and i can see nvidia logo when X running, but on desktop when run nvidia-setting i got error "  You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.  " any help to adjust this drivers ?
[09:10] <hischild> mohamed_, pastebin your xorg.conf please
[09:10] <Black_Magic> What Drivers Does Hardy use anyways :/
[09:10] <mohamed_> ok mom
[09:10] <Black_Magic> it seems they get updated about 3 times >.>
[09:10] <flowOver> my webcam isn't working .  its a creative live pro.
[09:11] <hischild> Black_Magic, it depends on what gfx card you have
[09:11] <Black_Magic> ATI :/
[09:11] <Black_Magic> I mean they keep getting Upgraded so i dont know if its the newer one
[09:11] <Black_Magic> the older one or
[09:11] <Black_Magic> some beta/alpha one :/
[09:11] <hischild> Black_Magic, i think those are fglrx but i'm not sure
[09:11] <mohamed_> hischild,  http://phpfi.com/305984
[09:11] <flowOver> anyone have a problem with the keyboard layouts acting funny?  mine keeps setting itself to something foreign.  everytime on startup and randomly as well.
[09:11] <Black_Magic> the Older FGLRX that comes with ubuntu or the ATI one...?
[09:12] <flowOver> it'll change back if i go into and look that the settings are all the same, then test the layout.
[09:12] <teamcobra> black: ati drivers still have glitches, but they are getting a lot better ;) the 780g chipset (radeon hd 3200) that I have in my server gets 31337 fps in glxgears (really)
[09:12] <kalatian> my 3850 gets ~14000
[09:12] <justin007827> whats glxgears?
[09:13] <hischild> mohamed_, did you try what the error suggested?
[09:13] <flowOver> but no matter what i do, i cannot get the quotation to work as it should .  it acts as an accent toggle
[09:13] <kalatian> at any rate, ubuntu uses fglrx if you ask, but ATI by default
[09:13] <ethana3> justin: well... depends who you ask
[09:13] <mohamed_> hischild, yes
[09:13] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: *passes Out*
[09:13] <hischild> i get around 3k
[09:13] <ethana3> glxgears should be called "ginb"
[09:14] <ethana3> 'ginb is not a benchmark'
[09:14] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: Well Im getting stuff about XGL but thats not installed :/ About it starting automaticly and such
[09:14] <mohamed_> hischild, i delete xorg and restart X to create new one also
[09:14] <hischild> mohamed_, hmm ... to get rid of the logo you can add a option NoLogo "True"
[09:14] <hischild> don't remove, it can break stuff very badly
[09:14] <mohamed_> hischild, the Logo appear
[09:14] <Black_Magic> is there a way to change drivers if you once used ATI because The Open Source one give me glitches like flickering in and out bluured stuff when you open it real quick all kinda stuff
[09:14] <teamcobra> ethana: yeah, but it was funny that it got and held 31337 fps ;p
[09:15] <mohamed_> hischild, i need to adjust desktop refresh rate
[09:15] <ethana3> teamcobra: very nice
[09:15] <hischild> why do you need to adjust it? does it show you with 50 or 51 Hz?
[09:15] <teamcobra> black: the flickering is the closed source driver, there are a few glitches
[09:15] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: 6227 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1245.222 FPS
[09:15] <hischild> Black_Magic, you can edit your xorg for that, use VESA for opensource or the FGLRX as closed source if i remember correctly
[09:15] <Black_Magic> Closed source what i mean :/
[09:15] <teamcobra> I noticed that alt-tabbing in compiz doesn';t properly show window previews
[09:15] <Black_Magic> VESA?
[09:16] <hischild> IIRC yes
[09:16] <teamcobra> black, does compiz work?
[09:16] <Black_Magic> in the driver place...
[09:16] <hischild> yes
[09:16] <Black_Magic> Can i still use Compiz...?
[09:16] <ethana3> i have a gpu that's around 300 glxgears.....
[09:16] <teamcobra> black; not w/ the open source driver unless you have an old card
[09:17] <Black_Magic> Lol my card sucks *****
[09:17] <Black_Magic> its one of those X cards
[09:17] <Black_Magic> :/
[09:17] <teamcobra> ethana: the 780g board I bought was 70 usd and plays et:quake wars nicely
[09:17] <Black_Magic> X300 X200 X350 Ect
[09:17] <teamcobra> black: definitely keep the fglrx then
[09:17] <teamcobra> I had a lappie w/ a 200m ,terrible
[09:17] <Black_Magic> and its a labtop card :/
[09:17] <Black_Magic> lol
[09:17] <Black_Magic> I have 200M Too :./
[09:17] <teamcobra> 6100 in this
[09:18] <Black_Magic> ATI Raedon Xpress 200M :/
[09:18] <teamcobra> geforce 6100, that is
[09:18] <Black_Magic> But im stuck with it
[09:18] <teamcobra> yup, I sold that other lappie
[09:18] <Black_Magic> Cant change Lappie Cards
[09:18] <teamcobra> indeed
[09:18] <teamcobra> at least the drivers are better
[09:18] <Black_Magic> Well I run Compiz Pretty good just small glitches
[09:18] <teamcobra> when I sold it, it couldn't use compiz at all
[09:19] <Black_Magic> Only small problems accure everything else works on my labtop with ubuntu is what gets me >.>
[09:19] <Black_Magic> Everything but Graphics work Perfectly
[09:19] <teamcobra> yup, they're fixing them, it seems ati is semi-serious about their cards not sucking now
[09:19] <justin007827> hischild: how do i install a linux distro on virtualbox?
[09:19] <teamcobra> and w/ ati drivers you have to disable compiz before you play nexuiz, alienarena, etc
[09:19] <hischild> justin007827, download the iso and then mount it under the cd tab
[09:20] <justin007827> hischild: thanks, i was hopeing it was that easy.
[09:20] <hischild> teamcobra, you have to disable compiz for almost everything unless you want a fugly screen
[09:20] <teamcobra> virtualbox should include vmgl for linux distros ;)
[09:20] <justin007827> vmgl?
[09:20] <teamcobra> gl in linux (and osx, I think) vm's
[09:20] <teamcobra> project at the U of T (toronto)
[09:21] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: Same with non Open Source ATI Drivers....well they almost fixed it the game plays but it flickers in and out... so unplayable
[09:21] <Black_Magic> if they fix it a little more the drivers will be perfect and enable Games to be Played With COmpiz Enabled
[09:21] <teamcobra> Black: disable compiz
[09:21] <teamcobra> and it's fine
[09:21] <justin007827> man, my macbook pro is hot. Is there anything i can do about it?
[09:21] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: I know i dont have it on ATM windows open slower :/
[09:21] <justin007827> feels like it runs even hoter than osx
[09:22] <teamcobra> ok, just making sure.... disabling desktop effects fixes the flickering
[09:22] <teamcobra> and makes the penguins happy ;)
[09:23] <Black_Magic> lol anyone want to help me trace
[09:23] <Black_Magic> why it flickers?
[09:24] <Black_Magic> then maybe we could File ATI a thing and then they'll fix it and make it possible to play Games in
[09:24] <Black_Magic> Thing with Compiz ENabled
[09:25] <Black_Magic> whoah i got 2556 FPS :P
[09:25] <Black_Magic> with this crappy card..
[09:26] <justin007827> does anyone know how to increase the default minimum fan speed on a macbook in ubuntu?
[09:26] <teamcobra> no idea, macs make me sad :(
[09:27] <justin007827> me too
[09:27] <teamcobra> ubuntu on a mac makes me a bit happier, granted
[09:27] <teamcobra> what is the livecd boot key combo? I always mess it up
[09:27] <justin007827> makes me a lot happier. I bout it befor i learned abount linux
[09:27] <teamcobra> there's an imac 20" at work :/
[09:28] <justin007827> http://www.jasonparekh.com/2006/macbook-fan-control-in-linux/
[09:28] <justin007827> that page has some directions, but i dont really understand it
[09:28] <justin007827> for the fan thing
[09:29] <teamcobra> involves patching the kernel, looks kinda dirty/outdated
[09:29] <Black_Magic> is there a way to control fan in Toshiba's?
[09:29] <justin007827> hmm, ok, so probably don't need to worry about it? It just seems like it gets so hot.
[09:29] <teamcobra> http://stargate.solsys.org/mod.php?mod=download&op=view&download_id=27
[09:30] <justin007827> thanks, is it hard to do?
[09:31] <justin007827> I havn't done much with scripts
[09:31] <teamcobra> nop, looks like you just chmod it +x and run it
[09:31] <justin007827> great. I will give that a shot.
[09:31] <justin007827> thanks for looking for that.
[09:31] <teamcobra> no prob
[09:32] <afd_> hi! Anyone running wicd under hardy? I'm getting an error about security settings...
[09:33] <justin007827> teamcobra: my browser says "secure conection failed" when i tried to download that script
[09:33] <teamcobra> yeh, old ssl cert
[09:34] <justin007827> hmm, how do i download it then?
[09:34] <teamcobra> I read the script and it looked decent, even polled the cpu
[09:34] <justin007827> wget?
[09:34] <teamcobra> temporarily add an exception
[09:34] <justin007827> oh, sorry
[09:34] <teamcobra> np
[09:34] <justin007827> i didnt see that
[09:35]  * nonix4 ponders... anyone bother to toss him an up-to-date Hardy pool url?
[09:35] <teamcobra> nonix: I'm confused, do you just want to update from gutsy?
[09:36] <tanner> erm wtf
[09:36] <tanner> taking 20 minutes to transer 1.5gbs to my flash drive
[09:36] <tanner> >.>
[09:36] <Black_Magic> >.>
[09:36] <nonix4> teamcobra: trying to use jigdo, it complains that my local mirror misses 76 files
[09:36] <Black_Magic> That always happens :/
[09:36] <Black_Magic> It goes about 10-14MB/s When its below 1GB
[09:36] <Black_Magic> but anything above its slow as heck
[09:37] <teamcobra> ohh, sorry, tried jigdo a few times in the past and it left a bad taste in my mouth
[09:37] <tanner> this is beyond weird, slower than usb1 speeds
[09:37] <Black_Magic> lol i dont get it either its like the bigger the file the slower it goes...
[09:38] <Black_Magic> it drops to 1-2MB/s If over 1GB
[09:38] <tanner> whats odd is this is a recent development, it was doing this to a 600meg file earlier
[09:38] <justin007827> teamcobra: so now just "chmod +x applesmc.sh" in the directory i downloaded it
[09:38] <teamcobra> yup
[09:38] <justin007827> cool
[09:39] <justin007827> what is +x?
[09:39] <justin007827> gives x permission?
[09:40] <teamcobra> eXecutable
[09:40] <teamcobra> yes
[09:40] <justin007827> oh, ok
[09:40] <justin007827> hehe
[09:40] <justin007827> i'm new
[09:40] <teamcobra> ok, let me find a url to point you to regarding scripts and their safety
[09:40] <justin007827> awsome
[09:40] <Black_Magic> teamcobra: Is that possible on Toshiba's?
[09:40] <Black_Magic> My labtop gets hot too
[09:41] <Black_Magic> i litterly have it ontop of a book so the air can vent and it still gets hot -./-
[09:41] <Black_Magic> i make sure the fan area insnt touching any surface
[09:41] <teamcobra> Black: that script won't work, but google around
[09:41] <DarkMageZ> Black_Magic, A100 series?
[09:41] <Black_Magic> DarkMageZ: A105
[09:42] <LMJ> Hello the chan
[09:42] <justin007827> teamcobra: what is the sintax to execute this script? and let me know if you find a url on script safety
[09:43] <Black_Magic> justin007827: Just drag and drop to terminal
[09:43] <justin007827> ok, thats easy
[09:43] <Black_Magic> oh dont forget to press enter afterwards
[09:43] <tanner> anyway to change how the drive mounts? ie. non synchronous
[09:44] <DistroJockey> ./applesmc.sh would also work if you were ther chmod'ing it
[09:44] <LMJ> I would like to know why Hardy Heron, during the install, hangs on the repo check, sound like it can't found it. I've pressed CTRL+ALT+F1 and i'm able to reach the repo via ping (the network works fine). I saw it tries to reach a country local repo btw, any ideas ?
[09:44] <teamcobra> http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?a=54   > info on bad scripts
[09:44] <justin007827> cat: /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_safe: No such file or directory
[09:44] <justin007827> cat: /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_max: No such file or directory
[09:44] <justin007827> /home/justin/applesmc.sh: 230: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[09:44] <teamcobra> hrm.... 1 min
[09:44] <justin007827> thats what i got when i ran the script
[09:46] <teamcobra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook  < looks like anything you could need is there
[09:46] <teamcobra> including the fan fix ;)
[09:46] <justin007827> ok, i'll check it out again.
[09:47] <justin007827> sorry to make you dig around if it was there all along
[09:47] <teamcobra> or look at the macbook pro page if you have a pro
[09:47] <teamcobra> s'ok
[09:47] <jimiridge> in ubuntu i trust
[09:47] <justin007827> ya, the stuff should aply for both in most cases right? mins a few hardware things like video?
[09:48] <teamcobra> yup
[09:48] <Black_Magic> did you try the script with Root privs i mean Sudo?
[09:48] <jimiridge> figured out why i couldnt set my rtl8187 in monitor mode
[09:48] <teamcobra> and the pro wiki page is pretty nice
[09:48] <justin007827> no, i did not try with root
[09:48] <teamcobra> mmn, rtl8187
[09:48] <jimiridge> wrong module
[09:48] <jimiridge> r8187
[09:48]  * teamcobra hugs his alfa
[09:48] <justin007827> but, i am gunna check the page again first
[09:48] <jimiridge> not rtl8187
[09:48] <jimiridge> now its awesome
[09:49] <jimiridge> i can inject again ;)
[09:49] <teamcobra> jim: how many fps?
[09:49] <teamcobra> I'll admit, I haven't even speedtested my alfa in hardy yet
[09:50] <justin007827> what does the hdd temp daemon do?
[09:50] <jimiridge> i dont ever connect with mine
[09:50] <jimiridge> use the atheros for that ;)
[09:51] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Lol I can use Aircrack-ng and crack while i chat :P Gotta love Atheros
[09:51] <jimiridge> i made like 4 of these http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/11/wifi_range_extender_5_bars_for.html
[09:51] <jimiridge> ones on my alfa
[09:51] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Whats that do?
[09:51] <jimiridge> like instead of a 2.3dbi ducky <default on most hardware>
[09:51] <tanner> this is ludicrous, 780kbps on a usb2 device
[09:51] <jimiridge> turns it into lieka 7dbi
[09:52] <teamcobra> jim: wow, niiiiiice :D
[09:52] <jimiridge> i havent really run any tests to determine if i succeeded  but still i feel better
[09:53] <jimiridge> psychological range/speed boost
[09:53] <jimiridge> heh
[09:53] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Come to ##Black_Magic and explain it all to me :/ Please
[09:53] <jimiridge> also i left the inulation on it
[09:53] <justin007827> teamcobra: the macbook pro page suggests loading the applesmc module, but has no directions on how to download and install it
[09:53] <jimiridge> whats to explain?
[09:54] <justin007827> how do I download and install applesmc?
[09:54] <Black_Magic> lol i thought it was a Program First :/
[09:54] <justin007827> that is that script i already tried right?
[09:54] <teamcobra> sudo modprobe applesmc
[09:54] <teamcobra> in a console
[09:54] <teamcobra> do an lsmod
[09:54] <teamcobra> to see if it's already running
[09:55] <justin007827> good call, thanks
[09:55]  * ethana3 goes to bed
[09:56] <teamcobra> jimridge: what injection rates do you get with your rtl8187 in hardy?
[09:56] <justin007827> applesmc               21164  0
[09:56] <flowOver> i'm looking in my xorg.conf and there are two devices that have the nvidia driver.  "Configured Video Device" and "Videocard0"  is this common configuration?
[09:57] <teamcobra> ok, then it's running.... sudo modprobe coretemp
[09:57] <jimiridge> teamcobra, i can crack a wep key in min minutes
[09:57] <teamcobra> follow the cpu temp section, you might not have to manually set the fan speed
[09:57] <jimiridge> the only bottleneck is my typing
[09:58] <teamcobra> jim: 59s is my fastest w/ airoscript
[09:58] <teamcobra> can't remember the rate though
[09:58] <jimiridge> omg are you serious
[09:58] <jimiridge> thats low
[09:58] <hischild> jimiridge, how do you do it btw? i know it can be done ... but my card always fails
[09:58] <justin007827> ok, i'll check it out.
[09:58] <jimiridge> mines like 200-400
[09:58] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: I did it in 20s :P!!
[09:59] <jimiridge> i could do a quick test to double check the speed
[09:59] <teamcobra> justin: follow the cputemp settings and reboot, it should work for you
[09:59] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: 21 :/
[09:59] <justin007827> sudo: modprob: command not found
[09:59] <hischild> justin007827, it's modprobE
[09:59] <justin007827> with coretemp
[09:59] <justin007827> ah
[09:59] <justin007827> hehe
[09:59] <justin007827> sorry, its early morning here
[09:59] <teamcobra> and also, you may want to sudo apt-get install hddtemp
[09:59] <hischild> np
[09:59] <teamcobra> as well
[09:59] <Black_Magic> isnt that that ln-sensors stuff?
[09:59] <justin007827> what does modprobe do?
[10:00] <Black_Magic> Probes a Module
[10:00] <teamcobra> loads modules (drivers)
[10:00] <hischild> justin007827, it loads a module into the kernel space
[10:00] <justin007827> got yasudo: modprob: command not found
[10:00] <justin007827> oops
[10:00] <teamcobra> hischild FTW ;)
[10:00] <justin007827> got ya, is what i ment
[10:00] <Black_Magic> Core 0:      +65.0°C  (crit = +100.0°C)
[10:00] <hischild> teamcobra, ?
[10:00] <Black_Magic> lol thats real hot >.>
[10:00] <teamcobra> his: shorthand for "For The Win!" ;)
[10:01] <hischild> i know
[10:01] <hischild> but ... why :P
[10:01] <hischild> Black_Magic, my gpu and cpu both run at that temp with a +- of 3
[10:01] <justin007827> coretemp                8448  0
[10:01] <Black_Magic> hischild:  a _- of 3?
[10:02] <tanner> ugh
[10:02] <tanner> 15 minutes for 1.5GiB
[10:02] <tanner> >.>
[10:02] <Black_Magic> Nice My Labtop is 149 Degrees Fahrenheit
[10:02] <hischild> Black_Magic, a variation above or below of 3 degree
[10:02] <Black_Magic> Ooh
[10:02] <Black_Magic> How you keep it that cool...
[10:03] <tanner> my laptop is running absurdly hot for not doing anything intensive according to top, 134F and 140F
[10:03] <teamcobra> hischild: I dunno, your answer was much more descriptive, and quick on the draw ;)
[10:03] <hischild> teamcobra, ah ok :-)
[10:03] <Black_Magic> i even have it on a book so the air can vent :/
[10:03] <justin007827> thanks, got that stuff all working
[10:03] <jimiridge> ok im almost ready to do my wepcrack test
[10:03] <teamcobra> justin: is it cooling off? ;)
[10:03]  * tanner in his tiredness say "book" and "air" and thought of the Macbook Air, and had a evil tingle
[10:04] <hischild> Black_Magic, dunno ... a zalman cooler tends to cool quite well
[10:04] <justin007827> ya, it is. i put it to fan speed 2 also
[10:04] <teamcobra> heh, I guess the macbook air got pwned @ cansecwest
[10:04] <Black_Magic> where can i get one...
[10:04] <hischild> and it cools both my cpu and gpu
[10:04] <justin007827> just for a bit
[10:04] <tanner> indeed it did
[10:04] <hischild> any hardware store ought to have one
[10:04] <Black_Magic> didnt macbook air get hacked in 2mins...?
[10:04] <justin007827> fan is really loud in manule though, ick
[10:04] <justin007827> manual*
[10:04] <hischild> jimiridge, can you help get that going? i've been looking into getting that working, but so far no luck
[10:05] <teamcobra> 2 mins into the 2nd day
[10:05] <teamcobra> so 24h +2 mins ;)
[10:05] <tanner> gladiator is a good movie :)
[10:05] <jimiridge> http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=tutorial
[10:06] <teamcobra> justin: don't put it into manual mode
[10:06] <teamcobra> just set up the cpu temp and hdtemp stuff, and reboot
[10:07] <teamcobra> that way the fan is controlled by the cpu temp sensors
[10:07] <teamcobra> and is auto-adjusted
[10:07] <Lynoure> tanner: your absurdly hot 140F is less hot than the 65C mentioned above. Would not worry too much :)
[10:08] <Black_Magic> Lynoure: You know If its possible to control fan on Toshiba Labtops?
[10:09] <tanner> Lynoure: its about 10F or 6C too hot
[10:09] <tanner> well, more than usual anyway
[10:09] <Lynoure> Black_Magic: I don't use Toshiba currently, so if google did not help you, it might not help me any better
[10:10]  * tanner would never use anything other than a Thinkpad
[10:10] <justin007827> teamcobra: k, thanks
[10:10] <justin007827> brb
[10:11] <Lynoure> I'm quite happy with my HP, have been similarly happy with a thinkpad. :)
[10:11]  * nonix4 ponders... http download from cdimage.ubuntu.com: 100Mbps; bittorrent: 100kbps; jigdo: 30Mbps & fails to finish...
[10:12] <tanner> this is my second thinkpad t series (i'm thinking i would like to switch to an X series soon) and am very pleased with it, especially the return service ive had on my T40
[10:12] <hischild> jimiridge, am i out of luck if i'm using ndiswrapper for my wlan?
[10:13] <jimiridge> yup no inject for you
[10:13] <hischild> hm
[10:13] <jimiridge> what card?
[10:13] <hischild> atheros 5007 EG
[10:13] <tanner> eh
[10:13] <jimiridge> i have that card
[10:13] <tanner> atheros should be fully supported
[10:13] <jimiridge> it injects
[10:13] <Black_Magic> :P
[10:13] <hischild> it was misdetected as 5006EG
[10:13] <jimiridge> havent you seen my atheros posts on the ubuntu forums?
[10:13] <Black_Magic> Well some windows drivers allow Injection :/
[10:13] <hischild> i don't come often on the forums i'm afraid
[10:14] <jimiridge> lemmie find the posts
[10:14] <Black_Magic> I think err CommView For WIfi
[10:14] <hischild> thanks
[10:14] <jimiridge> pluss to make sure its the same i need you to find out the cards info from lspci
[10:15] <jimiridge> like device id
[10:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> if I want to install a source package to see the source code, were do I find the actual source code files?
[10:16] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:16] <tanner> i believe in the directory you run the command from
[10:16] <dns53> apt-get source package?
[10:16] <Black_Magic> Just a test i want to make sure mines is what i think it is
[10:16] <jimiridge> 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:16] <jimiridge> yup
[10:17] <jimiridge> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-503580.html
[10:17] <jimiridge> lol checkout the bottom post
[10:17] <Black_Magic> jimiridge:  So mines a Atheros 5007?
[10:17] <jimiridge> yea
[10:17] <Black_Magic> :/
[10:17] <jimiridge> that driver should work
[10:17] <Black_Magic> WTF
[10:17] <Black_Magic> Lol :/
[10:18] <jimiridge> its also known as AR5BXB63
[10:18] <jimiridge> atheros EG is what windows calls it
[10:19] <justin007827> cores are 144 f and 136 f, lol
[10:19] <justin007827> that seems hot
[10:19] <kraft__> hi
[10:20] <kraft__> just upgraded to hardy and my lvm seems corupt
[10:20] <tanner> justin007827: i suppose not, mine are at 140 and 134
[10:20] <tanner> correction
[10:20] <tanner> 120 and 122
[10:20] <jimiridge> now let me get back to my aircrack alfa inject packets per sec
[10:20] <kraft__> any pointers on how to check the integrity?
[10:20] <justin007827> my hdd is 113
[10:20] <hischild> jimiridge, so using that driver it should work without ndiswrapper?
[10:23] <jimiridge> yup
[10:23] <tanner> hddtemp reports 95 here
[10:23] <hyperair> hello there. does anyone but me have an issue with seahorse importing a key from a keyserver?
[10:23] <hyperair> it just won't work
[10:23] <jimiridge> Black_Magic, you have this card aswell?
[10:23] <Black_Magic> the latest Stable?
[10:23] <Black_Magic> Well i dont need Ndiswrapper mines works by default..
[10:23] <Black_Magic> Does that mean i have ABG Tooo?
[10:23] <Black_Magic> Whoah that was some lag :/
[10:23] <Black_Magic> everything flew into my face...
[10:24] <Black_Magic> Uh OH!
[10:24] <Black_Magic> Your computers about to blow tanner
[10:24] <Black_Magic> jimiridge:  Well i dont get why mines works by default :/
[10:24] <Black_Magic> i didnt have to patch or anything...
[10:24] <jimiridge> if it works with ubuntu's driver it isnt the same
[10:24] <jimiridge> 5k series
[10:24] <jimiridge> same as in the eeepc
[10:24] <tanner> Black_Magic: only through a series of key presses and an FBI raid
[10:25] <Black_Magic> I think mines Atheros 5006EG
[10:25] <jimiridge> 5007 is what we're talking about
[10:25] <jimiridge> "5007EG"
[10:25] <Black_Magic> jimiridge:  i thought you Confirmed mines was the same as yours :/
[10:25] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[10:26] <jimiridge> oh
[10:27] <Black_Magic> im just notcing it says ABG :/
[10:27] <jimiridge> thats just cague i need like vender/device id
[10:27] <jimiridge> vague
[10:27] <Black_Magic> Oh How can i get that....
[10:27]  * tanner wishes 802.11n f*cking worked
[10:27] <Black_Magic> lol :/
[10:27] <david> goddamnit
[10:27] <Black_Magic> ABG is basically 802.11n
[10:27] <david> "#¤%
[10:27] <Black_Magic> just a lil slower i think
[10:27] <tanner> basically
[10:27] <david> I just found an IP I can't physically locate
[10:27] <tanner> however 11n can reach 300mbps
[10:28] <jimiridge> http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679
[10:28] <Black_Magic> but what router can pipe that out....?
[10:28] <jimiridge> really?
[10:28] <justin007827> still working on virtual box. it says i need to add /dev/vboxdrv to the vboxusers groups. I remember doing something like this on my mythtv box, but forget how.
[10:28] <tanner> which would be enough for me to stream hi def content over a WPA encrypted WLAN
[10:28] <jimiridge> cause my stuff raches around that speed
[10:28] <david> typical draft-n speeds are 50ish mbps
[10:28] <tanner> justin007827: one sec
[10:28] <hischild> justin007827, you have to add yourself to the vboxusers group, and modprobe the vboxdrv
[10:28] <david> real-life use average that is
[10:29] <Black_Magic> >.>
[10:29] <Black_Magic> I may get a 802.11n Card
[10:29] <Black_Magic> does it work in Ubuntu?
[10:29] <tanner> justin007827: usermod -a -G vboxusers <other groups here, dont forget things like wheel, or admin>
[10:29] <david> I'm yet to read success stories Black_Magic, shout if you find ;)
[10:29] <justin007827> hischild, ok how do i add myself to a group?
[10:30] <hischild> justin007827, sudo adduser *youruser* vboxusers
[10:30] <Black_Magic> lol >.> I thought Ubuntu got some specs on the Driver for the 833xx cards?
[10:30] <justin007827> k
[10:30] <Black_Magic> arent 802.11n Broadcam?
[10:30] <tanner> my 11n is Intel :D
[10:31] <tanner> sadly 11n support is more "mature" in Windows, achieving greater throughput
[10:31] <Black_Magic> Thats because Apple Advertises running windows in Err Bootcamp :/
[10:32] <Black_Magic> Anything apple Advertises with will work with its hardware.../
[10:32] <Black_Magic> Then what Card is mine :/ ar242x
[10:33] <jimiridge> i dunno
[10:34] <jimiridge> but all atheros cards <most> can inject
[10:34] <tanner> i believe the only ones that cant have driver limitations
[10:35] <jimiridge> i'm just glad when my laptop arrived it had a sticker on the box stating the wifi card also its under my laptop
[10:35] <jimiridge> and that its an atheros
[10:35] <jimiridge> :)
[10:36] <justin007827> that worked, the live cd is booting up in vbox now
[10:36] <justin007827> will it have network access?
[10:36] <jimiridge> ok here goes im gonna crack my openwrt routers 104bit wep key
[10:36] <Black_Magic> Whoo Yay jimiridge A/B/G i dont think any AP uses A?
[10:37] <Black_Magic> Because usually i only see Ap's with B/G
[10:37] <tanner> jimiridge: hope you have other devices on your network
[10:37] <jimiridge> nope doing clientless
[10:37] <Black_Magic> lol clientless is acctually faster then client :/
[10:37] <tanner> hmm, well good luck, may take a while
[10:38] <Black_Magic> lol the most its taken me is about 5mins
[10:38] <tanner> unless you manage to get the injection thing working right
[10:38] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: Test it without messing up internet.
[10:38] <jimiridge> 06:38:08  Association successful :-) (AID: 1)
[10:38] <Black_Magic> Make another VAP and use that
[10:38] <jimiridge> yay for fakeauth
[10:38] <Black_Magic> lol
[10:38] <Black_Magic> Why does Inject Rate go up and down?
[10:39] <jimiridge> inject time
[10:39] <Black_Magic> seriously sometimes it starts at like 1204pps then drops
[10:39] <Black_Magic> and drops all the way down to 50Pps
[10:40] <orvokki> Hmm, kinky. gedit seems to be broken.
[10:40] <orvokki> At least I managed to get it to dump core by running it without a file and then clicking open.
[10:41] <justin007827> hischild: gentoo live cd booted great in vbox ! hopefully it installs ok
[10:41] <jimiridge> 500pps
[10:41] <orvokki> bicyclist: Btw, could you lend me your xorg.conf? I could take a bit of comparing with mine to see that it's not some stupid mistake.
[10:41] <hischild> justin007827, good luck
[10:42] <justin007827> crap
[10:42] <justin007827> spoke to soon: failed to start xserver it says
[10:42] <jimiridge> though somethings wrong i only have 300IV's
[10:43] <jimiridge> ussually i would be done bynow with infinite iv's
[10:43] <justin007827> hischild: any idea what make my xserver not start in vbox?
[10:43] <hischild> justin007827, not really, sorry
[10:43] <vistakiller> k3b is copy dvd very very slow in gutsy was very fast
[10:44] <justin007827> x, i'll mess around
[10:44] <justin007827> k*
[10:45] <jimiridge> musta been a bad starting packet
[10:45] <Black_Magic> jimiridge:  i get that sometimes tooo But i dont think you care
[10:45] <Black_Magic> You should of did Interactive
[10:47] <justin007827> bad starting packet?
[10:47] <bicyclist> orvokki: No problem
[10:48] <bicyclist> orvokki : Got it ?
[10:49] <orvokki> Apparently yes.
[10:49] <jimiridge> eh im gonna update svn
[10:49] <Black_Magic> jimiridge: SVN?
[10:49] <jimiridge> evidently there was a change to aireplay
[10:49] <Black_Magic> use the Dev
[10:50] <Black_Magic> i have a 1.0 Dev Beta2 Package i beileave made it with Checkinstall
[10:50] <amikrop> I want to receive a file from a cell phone with bluetooth. How can I do that?
[10:50] <amikrop> !nvidia
[10:50] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:51] <amikrop> !bluetooth
[10:51] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[10:57] <amikrop> It says that in my Dell LATITIDE Dxxx model I have to install bluetooth drivers under windows, so the linux module can work. I don't have windows, nor I want to install it. What can I do?
[11:02] <justin007827> hischild: it says it failed to load the Glcore module
[11:02] <jimiridge> bam got it
[11:02] <jimiridge> magic packet
[11:02] <justin007827> k, find it in synoptic?
[11:02] <jimiridge>  8569 data packets in like 2 sec
[11:03] <jimiridge> fricken routers wlan light is going nuts
[11:03] <jimiridge> 8000 IV's in seconds
[11:04] <jimiridge> 500pps inject rate isnt shaby when it works
[11:05] <jimiridge> 1KEY FOUND! [ 62:AE:F7:87:41:27:65:AF:E1:77:AA:BC:1E ]
[11:06] <jimiridge> love this card
[11:08] <justin007827> anyone know what the GLcore module is?
[11:09] <jimiridge> hischild,
[11:09] <jimiridge> ping
[11:09] <jimiridge> openGL graphics justin
[11:09] <justin007827> ok, i'll look it up, thanks.
[11:10] <jimiridge> X11 gl module
[11:10] <jimiridge> why having graphics issues?
[11:10] <hischild> jimiridge, what's up?
[11:10] <hischild> pong
[11:10] <jimiridge> hows your card doing?
[11:11] <hischild> it's ok, just fixed the module stuf
[11:11] <hischild> it's connected so i'm about to attempt the monitor stuff
[11:11] <jimiridge> not using ndis right?
[11:11] <hischild> not using ndis
[11:11] <hischild> i got the package from that link you gave, and compiled those
[11:11] <jimiridge> thank god whats funny if you search the ubuntu forums for "ndiscrapper" your'll find posts i've made
[11:12] <jimiridge> heh
[11:12] <hischild> then loaded those into the kernel after unloading the ndiswrapper ones
[11:12] <jimiridge> and it works? can see it in iwconfig?
[11:12] <hischild> yes so far it does
[11:12] <jimiridge> i use airmon-ng start atth0  to put it in monitor/inject mode
[11:13] <jimiridge> its either ath0 or wifi0
[11:13] <jimiridge> and you'll get two VAP's
[11:13] <hischild> wlan0 in my case
[11:13] <hischild> for some wierd reason
[11:13] <jimiridge> hm
[11:13] <hischild> oh wait
[11:13] <hischild> i also have wifi0, which is the parent of wlan0
[11:13] <jimiridge> yea
[11:14] <hischild> there, done it
[11:14] <hischild> i can't stop the wifi0 interface, but that's the interface i have to start
[11:14] <jimiridge> i dont ever realy use my atheros for injection esp when my alfa is right next to me
[11:15] <jimiridge> alfa 500mW !!
[11:15] <jimiridge> w00t
[11:15] <hischild> lol
[11:15] <jimiridge> ficken picks up AP's all over the place
[11:15] <hischild> i need it to get some wireless access at school ...
[11:15] <hischild> they gave me challenge =)
[11:15] <jimiridge> like my ath card will see half signal but my alfa see's full
[11:15] <hischild> hehe
[11:16] <hischild> i never had a problem with mine tbh
[11:16] <hischild> also, aireplay-ng -9 wifi0 fails with finding no ap's
[11:17] <jimiridge> thats really good for you... i feel good too i got someone to stop using ndis
[11:17] <hischild> lol
[11:17] <jimiridge> you used airmon?
[11:17] <hischild> yes
[11:17] <hischild> it's at monitor mode
[11:17] <hischild> checked @ iwconfig
[11:17] <jimiridge> did another wlan pop up?
[11:17] <justin007827> jimiridge: i don't see openGL in the repos. Is it a different name?
[11:17] <hischild> oh wait
[11:17] <jimiridge> use wlan1
[11:17] <hischild> ath0 popped up
[11:17] <jimiridge> aireplay --test wlan1
[11:17] <jimiridge> ath0^
[11:18] <hischild> it goes to aireplay-ng instead of aireplay ...
[11:18] <hischild> and it also fails
[11:18] <jimiridge> hm
[11:19] <jimiridge> madwifi-unload && modprobe ath_pci
[11:20] <jimiridge> airmon-ng start wifi0 ; aireplay-ng --test $DEV
[11:20] <jimiridge> should work
[11:20] <jimiridge> maybe that ndiscrap is still latent
[11:20] <hischild> lsmod shows no sign of it
[11:20] <hischild> unloading/reloading them has no effect
[11:20] <jimiridge> could always reboot i guess who knows what you did when you installed ndis
[11:21] <hischild> good point ...
[11:21] <hischild> sec while i blacklist it first =)
[11:21] <jimiridge> adding certian module parameters
[11:21] <hischild> hmm?
[11:22] <jimiridge> /etc/modules
[11:22] <jimiridge> /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[11:23] <jimiridge> might help to hash out a few things
[11:23] <hischild> k sec
[11:24] <jimiridge> i'd dick with my ath but its the card im currently connected with
[11:26] <AnAnt> Hello, why does latest update have firefox-2 ?
[11:26] <AnAnt> isn't it wierd to have 2 firefox versions ?
[11:27] <jimiridge> couldnt hut
[11:27] <jimiridge> hurt*
[11:28] <jimiridge> i dunno about you but i still only have 1 version
[11:28] <jimiridge> and i'm pretty up to date with every repo
[11:30] <justin007827> any hints on openGL?
[11:30] <jimiridge> glx
[11:31] <justin007827> thanks
[11:31] <jimiridge> libgl1-mesa-glx  stuff like that
[11:31] <justin007827> i saw that one, but wasnt sure
[11:31] <jimiridge> actually thats the only glx pkg i have installed
[11:31] <jimiridge> (when aptitude searching glx)
[11:32] <justin007827> ok
[11:32] <justin007827> how do you search with aptitute?
[11:33] <justin007827> just the syntax is cool
[11:33] <jimiridge> aptitude search pkgname
[11:34] <jimiridge> aptitude --help
[11:35] <justin007827> sweet, thanks, i havn't used that package manager much. that is a package manager , right?
[11:36] <jimiridge> yup
[11:36] <elbermungsterses> if hardy stable comes out and i am running hardy beta, to upgrade all i need to do is click "reload" in the update manager and "new release" will appear?
[11:36] <justin007827> what is different between that and apt-get?
[11:37] <jimiridge> i'm under the impression that "aptitude" is just a front end to apt-get and dpkg
[11:37] <elbermungsterses> or is it more complicated?
[11:38] <jimiridge> like you cant use kd3 without cdrecord/cdrdao
[11:38] <justin007827> is dpkg debian packages or something?
[11:38] <jimiridge> man aptitude
[11:38] <jimiridge> aptitude - high-level interface to the package manager
[11:38] <jimiridge> so i think i'm correct
[11:39] <justin007827> k, sorry to ask so many questions. I read stuff online all the time, but this is the first time I have used the irc chat
[11:40] <hischild> elbermungsterses, no, it'll be updated by itself. It's not a new release, it's just that the updates are stable.
[11:40] <hischild> justin007827, asking questions is ok, as long as you listen
[11:40] <justin007827> k, thanks
[11:40] <elbermungsterses> can you explain it simpler please, hischild?
[11:40] <hischild> jimiridge, from what i've read, aptitude has a better dependency calculation and removes orphaned packages automatically
[11:41] <justin007827> ahh, cool
[11:41] <hischild> elbermungsterses, you don't have to do anything special to get the stable. It will be nothing more then a label on Hardy that it's stable
[11:41] <elbermungsterses> okay, thanks, hischild.
[11:42] <hischild> jimiridge, i blacklisted ndiswrapper and it just loaded again ... =,=
[11:43] <jimiridge> no kidding?
[11:43] <jimiridge> heh might have to purge it
[11:43] <hischild> hmm yes
[11:43] <jimiridge> still wonder why i think ndiswrapper is lame?
[11:44] <hischild> using windows crap for linux is never good
[11:44] <kane77> how does the powernowd work in hardy?
[11:44] <hischild> it auto adjusts cpu speed according to load
[11:44] <hischild> works like a charm
[11:45] <hischild> or isn't that what you wanted to know kane77
[11:45] <kane77> hischild, well I know it _should_ scale cpu, but it doesn't in hardy
[11:45] <hischild> can you pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo for me then?
[11:46] <joakim-> strange... just found out why the numpad didnt work for me after upgrading to hardy, the numpad had been enabled for some strange reason as to control the mouse instead
[11:47] <kane77> hischild, http://pastie.caboo.se/172405
[11:47] <joakim-> better see if that is in launchpad as a bug
[11:47] <kane77> joakim-, press ctrl+shift+num lock
[11:48] <joakim-> kane77, thing is it had been enabled after upgrading
[11:48] <joakim-> hadnt enabled it, i swear
[11:48] <kane77> joakim-, I can confirm that
[11:48] <joakim-> ah, so its known?
[11:49] <hischild> kane77, doesn't show it can do stepping
[11:49] <kane77> but when I run sudo powernowd it gives me this: powernowd:   cpu0: 1000Mhz - 2400Mhz (5 steps)
[11:49] <kane77> and it worked in gutsy
[11:50] <iositd> http://pastebin.com/f668fd3ca
[11:50] <hischild> ^ shows stepping ... that's what i meant
[11:50] <hischild> uhm ... what's the setting of powernowd then?
[11:52] <kane77> hmm could it be that last night I ran upgrade and before that I disabled powernowd (just to do more of boinc tasks over night)
[11:53] <hischild> anything is possible ...
[11:53] <justin007827> i tried to install xserver-xgl  and when i rebooted I got the Gnome settings daemon error.
[11:53] <justin007827> lol, same prob I had on the other computer
[11:54] <jimiridge> driver issue?
[11:54] <jimiridge> what card is it
[11:54] <justin007827> hold on
[11:54] <justin007827> its on the mother board
[11:54] <jimiridge> chipset
[11:54] <justin007827> p5pe-vm
[11:54] <justin007827> hmmm, i duno
[11:55] <jimiridge> heh
[11:55] <justin007827> how do i check?
[11:55] <jimiridge> lshw
[11:55] <justin007827> k, let me ssh into that comp
[11:55] <david> I wonder why screen and resolution moved to the applications menu :B
[11:56] <jimiridge> lshw is neat i posted my lshw on my webpage http://hst.ath.cx/~james/acer4315.html
[11:56] <jimiridge> lshw -html ;)
[11:56] <justin007827> cool
[11:57] <justin007827> nice
[11:57] <justin007827> i like it
[11:58] <justin007827>              description: VGA compatible controller
[11:58] <justin007827>              product: 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller
[11:58] <justin007827>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[11:58] <justin007827>              physical id: 2
[11:58] <justin007827>              bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[11:58] <justin007827>              version: 02
[11:58] <justin007827>              width: 32 bits
[11:58] <justin007827>              clock: 33MHz
[11:58] <justin007827>              capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list
[11:58] <justin007827>              configuration: latency=0
[11:58] <justin007827> is that it?
[11:58] <jimiridge> also find your graphics card via `lspci "grep VGA `
[11:58] <jimiridge> lspci |grep VGA
[11:59] <jimiridge> intel i have that on this laptop
[11:59] <justin007827> hmm, i wonder why virtualbox is tripping out? it should have loaded all the right graphics drivers right?
[12:00] <_KAMI_> Hi! do you have problem with java under AMD_64 platform on 8.04?
[12:00] <jimiridge> justin you trying to run a graphics intense program in virtualbox?
[12:00] <justin007827> i was trying to load gentoo live cd
[12:01] <nonix4> _KAMI_: with or without a browser involved?
[12:01] <justin007827> do i need to get a graphics card?
[12:01] <jimiridge> i'm none too sure, dunno if it can even take hold of the hosts VGA
[12:02] <jimiridge> might need to read up on their forum
[12:02] <teamcobra> vbox can do vga, no 3d
[12:02] <_KAMI_> nonix4: I have problem with browser
[12:02] <hischild> jimiridge, i've gotten rid of almost every part of ndiswrapper ... yet it still is no luck on monitor :(
[12:02] <_KAMI_> but I not tried without browser
[12:02] <teamcobra> and svga, does 1280x800 fine on this machine
[12:02] <teamcobra> but you have to install the guest additions to get high res
[12:02] <teamcobra> hahah, yeah, xgl isn't gonna work
[12:03] <afd_> hi! Anyone else having problems with kubuntu hardy + firefox 3.0 beta 4: invisible selection in radio & checkboxes?
[12:03] <teamcobra> sorry to burst the bubble... unless you manually install vmgl, no eay
[12:03] <teamcobra> way
[12:03] <justin007827> ok, yea, xgl kin really slownda makes my computer ru
[12:03] <teamcobra> cause it's pegging the cpu and doing it all in software
[12:03] <justin007827> i'm down to manually install it
[12:04] <jimiridge> hischild, might be the wrong driver?
[12:04] <teamcobra> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/
[12:04] <nonix4> _KAMI_: which java implementation does about:plugins list if any?
[12:04] <hischild> jimiridge, no it goes into monitor mode ... and when using managed mode it just accesses internet and connects jus tfine
[12:05] <justin007827> thanks cobra
[12:06] <jimiridge> so whats wrong with monitor mode?
[12:06] <justin007827> teamcobra: should i install VMware quests first?
[12:06] <justin007827> guests*
[12:06] <teamcobra> vmware?? I thought you were using virtualbox
[12:06] <jimiridge> have you tested it with kismet hischild
[12:07] <justin007827> oh, it will work in virtualbox too?
[12:07] <kane77> hischild, now I get it... I have boinc running so the cpu load is at 100% however the boinc process has nice of 19 which should let cpu speed lower...
[12:07] <teamcobra> it might work in vmware, but no idea
[12:07] <teamcobra> yeah
[12:07] <kane77> but somehow it doesn't
[12:07] <justin007827> cool, sorry
[12:07] <hischild> kane77, powernowd only lowers when the cpu usage goes below 20 ...
[12:07] <hischild> jimiridge, uhhh ... what? i'm kind of new to all this
[12:08] <kane77> hischild, but in gutsy it lowered even if it was higher but the nice value was high
[12:08] <teamcobra> np
[12:08] <jimiridge> aptituded install kismet
[12:08] <hischild> kane77, then lower the min value
[12:08] <Peaker> Hey, why does Hardy no longer let you type a URL in the alt-f2 run box?
[12:08] <_KAMI_> nonix4: I tried with IcedTee
[12:08] <jimiridge> mine works peaker
[12:08] <Peaker> jimiridge, I mean without a "http://" prefix
[12:08] <justin007827> whats my "guest domain"?
[12:09] <Peaker> I used to be able to do alt-<f2>, "slashdot.org", <enter>, and that would work
[12:09] <teamcobra> justin: that's xen-specific
[12:09] <jimiridge> well maybe that wasnt best for the overall system
[12:10] <justin007827> how do I figure it out?
[12:10] <hischild> jimiridge, i know how to install it ... i was referring to usage
[12:10] <jimiridge> edit /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[12:10] <hischild> k
[12:11] <jimiridge> change source to source=madwifi-ng,wifi0,Atheros   or lemmie look
[12:11] <justin007827> "Copy the source into your guest (VM or domain)"
[12:11] <justin007827> i don't undertsand where that is
[12:11] <teamcobra> inside the guest = VM
[12:12] <hischild> jimiridge, sourcetype, interface, name ... edited to what you wrote
[12:12] <jimiridge>  source=madwifi_bg,ath0,madwifi  or source=madwifi_ag,ath0,madwifi
[12:12] <jimiridge> ok just fire it up then
[12:13] <hischild> wait, which one of the 3 should i use now :P
[12:13] <jimiridge> whatever works
[12:13] <hischild> k
[12:13] <jimiridge> try em all
[12:13] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone having problem with auto completion in hardy
[12:13] <amikrop> About bluetooth on Dell Latitude D800, obviously the Windows drivers affect the BIOS and enable onboard bluetooth.
[12:13] <jimiridge> i think i got mine to work with source=madwifi_bg,ath0,madwifi
[12:14] <jimiridge> might need to change the device too
[12:14] <amikrop> There must be some way to enable it through Ubuntu.
[12:14] <hischild> jimiridge, so far no luck ... doesn't kno wthe madwifi_bg ... attempting _ag
[12:14] <amikrop> Maybe the linux bluetooth driver developers should contact Dell.
[12:14] <jimiridge> try bg
[12:14] <hischild> profit
[12:14] <hischild> with _ag
[12:15] <jimiridge> amikrop,
[12:15] <orvokki> bicyclist: Hmm, still no workie. Btw, EnvyNG gives me some errors in manual install mode.
[12:15] <amikrop> jimiridge: sorry?
[12:15] <jimiridge> is their a bluetooth thing in /proc somewhere?
[12:15] <jimiridge> like  echo "1" > /proc/acpi/bluetooth
[12:16] <jimiridge> hischild, bg
[12:16] <amikrop> no, there is not
[12:16] <unop> jaffarkelshac, what does this return?  ls -l /etc/bash_completion
[12:16] <jimiridge> onboard?
[12:16] <hischild> jimiridge, ag works, bg fails
[12:16] <jimiridge> oh cool great
[12:17] <jaffarkelshac> unop, no file or directory
[12:17] <jimiridge> ng didnt work? hischild
[12:17] <Peaker> keyboard layout switching seems broken, I have it set to both alts and with gutsy it worked, and with hardy it doesn't
[12:17] <orvokki> Errr... Apparently there are no headers for the kernel that got installed for me.
[12:17] <orvokki> *Interesting*. Lemme reboot.
[12:17] <hischild> jimiridge, negative
[12:18] <unop> jaffarkelshac, try installing the bash-completion package -- sudo aptitude install bash-completion
[12:18] <jimiridge> didnt work or you didnt try it?
[12:18] <hischild> jimiridge, didnt' work. Keeps complaining about unknown source type
[12:18] <jimiridge> oh
[12:19] <jimiridge> but hey you can see a bunch of AP's right?
[12:19] <hischild> i'm afraid not
[12:19] <teamcobra> night all
[12:19] <jaffarkelshac> unop, i will try that, i am currently using update manager.
[12:19] <unop> jaffarkelshac, ok
[12:19] <jimiridge> change dev
[12:19] <amikrop> jimiridge: So, the according developers should consider the fact enabling the onboard bluetooth.
[12:19] <jimiridge> ath0 wlan0 wifi0
[12:19] <amikrop> Like the win32 drivers seem to do.
[12:20] <hischild> jimiridge, shouldn't it disconnect as soon as i fire up kismet?
[12:20] <jimiridge> maybe you need to enable it? amikrop
[12:20] <amikrop> jimiridge: I checked BIOS. I can't do it manually from there.
[12:20] <anaoum> how can i change the console login text "Ubuntu hardy (development branch) none tty1"
[12:20] <jimiridge> if you want people to do all the work for ya linux might not be the optimal choice
[12:21] <amikrop> jimiridge: It just says "Onboard Bluetooth: Disabled".
[12:21] <jimiridge> what says that
[12:21] <amikrop> The BIOS.
[12:21] <jimiridge> then chamge it
[12:21] <amikrop> I can't.
[12:21] <amikrop> There is no such option.
[12:21] <jimiridge> bios is proprietary so i cant help ya either
[12:21] <justin007827> teamcobra: i'm sorry, but i can't figure out where on my file system i am suposed to "Copy the source into your guest (VM or domain) and host (dom0, kernel hosting VMware, etc..)"
[12:22] <amikrop> jimiridge: That's why I said the ubuntu bluetooth driver devels should contact dell.
[12:22] <jimiridge> if windows can enable it..
[12:22] <jimiridge> there prolly might be a procfs location for it
[12:23] <m1r> it sounds unbelivable that windows can enable device from bios and linux cant
[12:23] <m1r> try flashing your bios =best result ;)
[12:23] <jimiridge> no
[12:24] <jimiridge> like my wifi gets enabled though acpi
[12:24] <amikrop> jimiridge: So, the ubuntu driver devels should fix the drivers to check if bluetooth is disabled, and if disabled, to enable it. Don't you find it reasonable?
[12:24] <justin007827> where does virtualbox install itself too?
[12:25] <anaoum> justin007827: it has a capital V - so start typing that in the terminal and hit tab
[12:25] <justin007827> k
[12:25] <Prefix> where the system monitor gone in hardy?  To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[12:34] <gluer> dimitree: when release is out im definitely doing a fresh install
[12:34] <gluer> i dont like upgrades
[12:34] <gluer> :-)
[12:34] <Dimitree> - ) thanks
[12:34] <m1r> install windows gluer
[12:34] <gluer> lol
[12:34] <gluer> i did once, i ran an upgrade from 98 to xp
[12:35] <Hobbsee> emma: btw, discussions about how kubuntu should be renamed really *aren't* appropriate for here.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> emma: #ubuntu-marketing, perhaps, or their mailing list.
[12:35] <Dimitree> i'm having problems with my integrated GMA 3100 GPU and someone told me that this model will run ok on 8.04 but it is not supported on 7.10
[12:35] <m1r> woman , when they want you all is ok , when they have u , they wanna change you , no offence emma ;)
[12:36] <jimiridge> Dimitree, thats an intel chip aint it?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> m1r: ?
[12:36] <jimiridge> i have that and it works great
[12:36] <m1r> bad joke Hobbsee :)
[12:36] <Dimitree> however i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 and i still have the same problems ( even wors now i dont have Monitor type in Xorg and i can't reconfigure xorg)
[12:36] <Dimitree> jimiridge, yes
[12:36] <jimiridge> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[12:37] <Dimitree> could it be because of the upgrade ?
[12:37] <emma> Hobbsee,  you are really going back to things I said briefly yesterday to find a reason to scold me publicly?
[12:37] <justin007827> virtualbox: /usr/bin/virtualbox /usr/lib/virtualbox /usr/lib64/virtualbox /usr/share/virtualbox
[12:37] <jimiridge> works fine but still some graphics artifacts (glitches) when running intense games/graphics but most works
[12:37] <Dimitree> should i do a fresh 8.04 install ?
[12:37] <jimiridge> compiz runs
[12:37] <justin007827> any idea which of those is where i am suposed to make copy the tarball
[12:37] <justin007827> ?
[12:37] <jimiridge> go fo it just backup your /home
[12:37] <Dimitree> hmm cool ok :)
[12:38] <jimiridge> hell just do a dist upgrade
[12:38] <jimiridge> no cdburning involved
[12:38] <jimiridge> its like a fresh install only home stays
[12:38] <jimiridge> get a fresh new kernel
[12:38] <jimiridge> ;)
[12:39] <Dimitree> jimiridge, that's what i did and now i can't reconfigure xorg :) it simply skips Driver selection and monitor selection
[12:39] <Dimitree> i mean i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04
[12:39] <jimiridge> dpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:40] <Dimitree> command not found ?
[12:40] <jimiridge> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:40] <Dimitree> i think i used something like that but it doesnt work :/
[12:40] <jimiridge> ya need the "k"
[12:40] <justin007827> you still around teamcobra?
[12:41] <jimiridge> reminds me of a time when i told someone they had to umount a drive and he kept saying "unmount not found"
[12:41] <Dimitree> no... i mean that it skips directly to Keyboard Layout configuration after the framebuffer page
[12:41] <jimiridge> UGH!
[12:41] <tanner> erm, what a waste of time
[12:41] <tanner> i got stood up at 5am >.>
[12:41] <jimiridge> i find that dificult to believe
[12:42] <jimiridge> you could gimmie a reverse shell and i could do it for you
[12:42] <Dimitree> i can't select Intel as GPU like i could in 7.10 and can't select amount of memmorry to use and cant select mointor type :) it skips directly to keyboard
[12:42] <romulo> hi, what kernel is hardy using? any debugger compiled options? thanks =]
[12:42] <jimiridge> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:42] <tanner> 2.6.24 series
[12:42] <amikrop> So, the problem is that bluetooth is disabled in BIOS, and I have to find a way to enable it. Is there any program that can do so?
[12:43] <tanner> amikrop: unlikely, youll have to enable it in bios
[12:43] <jimiridge> would help to know the laptop model amikrop
[12:43] <Dimitree> jimiridge,  everything is "Configured Video Device" or configured Monitor device :) lol
[12:43] <amikrop> tanner: I know, but how?
[12:43] <tanner> amikrop: need to look through the configuration options
[12:44] <jimiridge> goto section device
[12:44] <amikrop> jimiridge: Dell LATITUDE D800
[12:44] <justin007827> i'm trying to install VMGL (formerly Xen-GL). i did whereis and found that virtual box has files in the folowing directories: virtualbox: /usr/bin/virtualbox /usr/lib/virtualbox /usr/lib64/virtualbox /usr/share/virtualbox
[12:44] <justin007827> . Now I am trying to decide which folder to copy the tarball into
[12:44] <Dimitree> Section "Device"      Identifier      "Configured Video Device" thats all in there
[12:44] <amikrop> tanner: I tried, but it can't be enabled manually through the BIOS menu.
[12:44] <justin007827> i'm following these directions: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/
[12:45] <jimiridge> Dimitree, driver = intel    VideoRam = whatever
[12:45] <justin007827> anyone have some advice?
[12:45] <tanner> amikrop: consult your user manual and/or call dell.
[12:45] <Milos_SD> Today I had a total freez as I had it on Gutsy ... From Alpha 5 when I did the upgrade I didn't had that freez, but today ... :(
[12:45] <Milos_SD> Can that be of xserver-video-nv update?
[12:46] <amikrop> tanner: But the Windows Dell Bluetooth Drivers can enable onboard bluetooth.
[12:46] <amikrop> tanner: Shouldn't the linux ones do as well?
[12:46] <jimiridge> amikrop,  what about the  (Fn-F2)  key?
[12:46] <tanner> amikrop: thats because the people that wrote those drivers had direct access to hardware specifications :)
[12:47] <tanner> or a hardwired function key, Fn+F5 on my thinkpad
[12:47] <jimiridge> amikrop, then lsusb
[12:47] <jimiridge> cause im reading something that says that laptops bluetooth is on the usb bus
[12:47] <tanner> all bluetooth is as i recall
[12:47] <jimiridge> u enable it with the function key
[12:48] <orvokki> bicyclist: Hmm, envy isn't supposed to generate an error code 512 like here, right? http://nanonyme.kapsi.fi/envy-installer.log
[12:48] <jimiridge> i wouldnt really know cause my laptop doesnt have it
[12:48] <hischild> envy in general is unsupported .... why use it?
[12:48] <setuid> Can someone help me with this?
[12:48] <setuid> swapon: cannot canonicalize /dev/disk/by-uuid/9cc23c07-9af6-4db9-a7ad-c0d800625cf4: No such file or directory
[12:48] <setuid> swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/9cc23c07-9af6-4db9-a7ad-c0d800625cf4: No such file or directory
[12:48] <amikrop> jimiridge: It is about WIFI (and it works).
[12:49] <jimiridge> see bluetooth in lsusb?
[12:49] <amikrop> tanner: Why not the Ubuntu people have direct acces to the hardware specifications?
[12:49] <jimiridge> proprietary
[12:49] <tanner> amikrop: most companies do not provide such information freely
[12:49] <jimiridge> atleast without a fight
[12:49] <amikrop> jimiridge: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61456/
[12:49] <tanner> also, sometimes its due to regulations in the governing country
[12:49] <setuid> n/m, Ubuntu got the uuid wrong. Silly thing.
[12:49] <Dimitree> jimiridge, btw did you do a fresh 8.04 install ? or over 7.10 ?
[12:49] <Lynoure> amikrop: you can ask the company that makes the hardware that. Actually, recommended to do so.
[12:50] <amikrop> Lynoure: The linux driver developers should do so, I think.
[12:50] <Lynoure> amikrop: both.
[12:50] <jimiridge> i used the alternative hardy installer cause it had support for installing encrypted rooot
[12:50] <Dimitree> ok thanks :)
[12:50] <Lynoure> amikrop: End users asking can help the companies realize that the end users care about this.
[12:50] <amikrop> So, the problem is how to enable bluetooth.
[12:51] <orvokki> bicyclist: Would that imply I have a dependency problem in my system?
[12:51] <setuid> bluetooth works great on my Thinkpad
[12:51] <tanner> amikrop: if you are unable to enable it in bios (odd, call DELL!) and there is no function key to enable it, then you really should call dell and bitch until you get it figured out
[12:51] <amikrop> Lynoure: Maybe they will tell me "download the win32 drivers from our website".
[12:51] <HardyOne> is there an app I can install to help me "find" wireless connections? like the one in house for instance
[12:52] <tanner> HardyOne: iwlist wlan0 scan
[12:52] <tanner> ;)
[12:52] <tanner> although that doesnt work great on my intel drivers lately :-\
[12:52] <amikrop> tanner: But isn't there a linux program that can handle this?
[12:52] <Dimitree> amikrop are you running BIOS in admin mode ?
[12:52] <Lynoure> amikrop: maybe, probably, but it thousands of people would write or call, I bet they would start noticing
[12:52] <amikrop> Lynoure: :-)
[12:52] <setuid> Does anyone know if there's a way to get rid of the useless and non-functional "NetworkManager", and get networking to start normally at boot time, like it did in Gutsy?
[12:52] <HardyOne> tanner, Interface doesn't support scanning.
[12:52] <tanner> amikrop: again, not likely.
[12:52] <savvas> HardyOne: wifi-radar
[12:52] <orvokki> Lynoure: Either that or redirect the mail account to /dev/null.
[12:53] <tanner> HardyOne: substitue wlan0 for whatever your card interface is
[12:53] <amikrop> Dimitree: I don't know. I run BIOS in the mode in which I was able to enable/disable WiFi from there.
[12:53] <setuid> I have to start networking manually with shell scripts, because it doesn't start on boot, and NetworkManager does _absolutely nothing_
[12:53] <Lynoure> I personally vote with my wallet...
[12:53] <amikrop> tanner: :-/
[12:53] <jimiridge> amikrop, sudo hciconfig hci0 reset
[12:53] <HardyOne> tanner, that would make sense
[12:53] <HardyOne> savvas, ty
[12:53] <tanner> amikrop: again, this issue seems mostly on your end more so than the drivers
[12:53] <savvas> no problemo
[12:54] <amikrop> $ sudo hciconfig hci0 reset
[12:54] <amikrop> Can't get device info: No such device
[12:54]  * tanner recalls something about direct access to the BIOS being rather... "iffy"
[12:54] <danbee> hi guys, trying to install ubuntu 8.04 amd64, i'm getting "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed." at 94%
[12:55] <danbee> had the same problem with gutsy too
[12:55] <tanner> amikrop: that command is only going to work AFTER you have your bluetooth device enabled
[12:55] <savvas> danbee: do you have a sata drive?
[12:55] <amikrop> tanner: yes, but how? ;_
[12:55] <danbee> savvas: yes, 3 of them
[12:55] <danbee> ubuntu is install on the first partition of the third drive (/dev/sdc1)
[12:55] <Dimitree> i have sata too O_O
[12:56] <Dimitree> i hope it doesn't crush on me too
[12:57] <HardyOne> !ping
[12:57] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[12:58] <savvas> danbee: report a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - the package is ubiquity, explain them what you do with the output of the following commands: 1) ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ 2) lspci -nnv 3) lsusb -v
[12:58] <tanner> amikrop: call dell.
[12:58] <HardyOne> lmao @ ubotu
[12:58] <KrimZon> i'm still having trouble with the -12 kernels, my geforce 8400m isnt showing up and it just defaults to a really low resolution
[12:58] <savvas> Dimitree: I have a sata too, i was just curious :) it works here
[12:58] <Dimitree> oh ok :)
[12:59] <Dimitree> damn i hate firefox >_>
[12:59] <savvas> KrimZon: can't set it up using screens and graphics from gnome?
[12:59] <Aondo> Dimitree  then change it :D
[12:59] <danbee> savvas: i have also tried installing grub manually by mounting the new ubuntu partition and typing 'grub-install --root-directory=/media/ubuntu /dev/sda'
[12:59] <Dimitree> it says downloading with 1.1mb/s ye it stays at 9 minutes for so long
[12:59] <danbee> and i get the following error 'The file /media/ubuntu/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.'
[12:59] <amikrop> tanner: I (theoretically an end-user) will call DELL. But isn't it right the Ubuntu DELL Bluetooth Driver Developers to call DELL, too?
[12:59] <tanner> KrimZon: thats because its reverting back to the VESA driver (most likely), if your card is supported by the nvidia binary i recommend you install that
[12:59] <Dimitree> right ... Opera ftw
[13:00] <tanner> amikrop: no, the issue is not your drivers, its you and your ability to configure your bios.
[13:00] <amikrop> tanner: So, no end-user will have a DELL Bluetooth problem again, and he will not need to call DELL.
[13:00] <savvas> danbee: provide them with everything you think it has to be said :) but be brief and have a short description :)
[13:00] <amikrop> tanner: But the drivers should configure the BIOS.
[13:00] <vistakiller> in hardy when i try to copy dvd with k3b the programme is crashing
[13:00] <jimiridge> amikrop, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2308248
[13:00] <KrimZon> tanner: do they have a different one of those for each kernel?
[13:01] <tanner> amikrop: i'll make you a deal, you go ahead and get Dell to send us all the required information regarding enabling the BIOS subset features from inside a protected mode operating system and ill implement them
[13:01] <KrimZon> because it works fine with -11-generic, but -12-rt and -12-generic give me a lot of trouble
[13:01] <amikrop> Dimitree: How can I run the BIOS in "admin mode"?
[13:01] <vistakiller> the strange is that k3b crash but is finished the job
[13:01] <danbee> savvas: thanks, i will do that
[13:01] <Dimitree> amikrop, go to your motherboard manufacturer and search for BIOS information
[13:02] <savvas> KrimZon: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic | grep Installed
[13:02] <amikrop> tanner: The win32 devels got Dell to send them the required information. I think the Ubuntu ones should do the same.
[13:02] <amikrop> And not set an end-user to do so.
[13:02] <tanner> amikrop: you do realize the developers of their windows drivers were hired by DELL and given all the required information by DELL right?
[13:02] <jimiridge> amikrop, do you have/had vista on that laptop?
[13:03] <tanner> and you realize that DELL does not offically in any way help the development of drivers in free and open operating systems
[13:03] <DASPRiD> How many days left to official hardy release?
[13:03] <danbee> savvas: Launchpad says 'ubiquity does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker.'
[13:03] <danbee> i'll post something on the forum
[13:03] <savvas> DASPRiD: 30, maybe 60
[13:04] <unop> tanner, well, let's hope they can start using some leverage to get hardware manufacturers to start contributing to supporting their products on linux
[13:04] <savvas> danbee: better ask #ubuntu-bugs - they're the experts :)
[13:04] <theron> what is the proper way to disable ipv6 in heron?  My connections to my router are horrific, NM says I've got a decent connection, another distro same laptop pulls test files from my router @ over 200K, while heron pulls the files @ 10K then slows down to 1000 or so B, then dies after a few min.
[13:04] <jimiridge> what i'm readin is that vista uploads a special firmware to the bluetooth and bluez cat recognize it
[13:04] <tanner> more so, if an end user such as yourself is having issues with your hardware unrelated to the software, you should call the manufacturer, as we are unable to magically resolve your problems without direct access to either the hardware or the specifications used to create the hardware
[13:04] <amikrop> jimiridge: Had XP.
[13:04] <theron> I'm guessing it's ipv6 however I'm not sure..
[13:04] <tanner> unop: it would be nice, although unlikely.
[13:05] <amikrop> tanner: But since DELL provides laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed, I can't find a reason why it would deny the required information.
[13:05] <setuid> Does anyone know if there's a way to get rid of the useless and non-functional "NetworkManager", and get networking to start normally at boot time, like it did in Gutsy?
[13:05] <setuid> I have to start networking manually with shell scripts, because it doesn't start on boot, and NetworkManager does _absolutely nothing_
[13:05] <justin007827> what is the syntax to move a file to a directory, I must be typing something wrong.
[13:05] <KrimZon> savvas: aha, i have those installed already
[13:05] <savvas> KrimZon: i wanted the versions :)
[13:05] <justin007827> or copy
[13:05] <amikrop> tanner: I can't find a reason why DELL would like their Ubuntu laptops not to be fully functional.
[13:05] <jimiridge> maybe someone should call dell and reverse engineer it out of them
[13:05] <jimiridge> social engineer
[13:05] <jimiridge> :P
[13:05] <tanner> amikrop: then i suggest you call DELL and find out why
[13:06] <KrimZon> savvas:  169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31
[13:06] <KrimZon> and  <IP_ADDRESS>-12.31
[13:06]  * jimiridge dreams in bash
[13:06] <justin007827> is it "cp filen"ame /destinationDirectory
[13:06] <unop> tanner, well, i wouldnt rule that out so quick, it's a win-win thing for both dell and the hardware vendors if their products are used on linux and are used well, maybe this won't happen overnight, but eventually i hope so
[13:07] <savvas> KrimZon: well the only thing I would try, is, while you're in -12-generic kernel: sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-new linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[13:07] <setuid> mneptok, ping
[13:07] <amikrop> tanner: But it is not my job to call DELL. It is yours (or, generally the devel's).
[13:07] <tanner> unop: well, if dell wants to produce linux capable hardware they are unlikely to choose hardware that is not already supported by open source drivers (minus nvidia of course), as such, they are unlikely to get unsupported hardware requiring the release of drivers and or specifications by that manufacturer
[13:07] <savvas> KrimZon: otherwise, nvidia has a nice reporting tool, nvidia-bug-report.sh :) run it while in -12-generic kernel
[13:07] <tanner> amikrop: wrong.
[13:08] <KrimZon> ok
[13:08] <KrimZon> brb
[13:08] <raintheory> i'm having some connectivity issues on my fresh install of 8.04 on a thinkpad r50 laptop...   odd thing is, it worked fine *during* install (i set up static ip's at home, so configured that during live session) but now after first reboot no connection to wireless *or* wireed...   the wired connection is hot and works on other boxes.
[13:08] <setuid> mneptok, Yesterday you told me to install Java using apt-get, and I did, but now I have to manually stick /usr/lib/jre/.../blah/blah into my ~/.bash_profile, prepending it to $PATH, so the java binary there is found before /usr/bin/java.
[13:08] <tanner> amikrop: if you refuse to call dell i refuse to help you. you're insistence that your problem is in fact OURs is fundamentally flawed.
[13:08] <KrimZon> and thanks for the help
[13:08] <savvas> n/p
[13:08] <amikrop> tanner: OK. I will call DELL.
[13:09] <justin007827> when i try this "sudo cp vmgl.hg /usr/share/virtualbox
[13:09] <justin007827> " i get this " cp: omitting directory `vmgl.hg'
[13:09] <justin007827> "
[13:09] <tanner> unop: as a result, no new vendors are likely to give up information. however, now say a vendor whats to get a bid by dell and have an unsupported device under linux, then MAYBE something may happen.
[13:09] <justin007827> what does that meen?
[13:09] <tanner> justin007827: vmgl.hg is a directory
[13:09] <setuid> justin007827, Are you copying _a_ file? or many files?
[13:09] <jimiridge> windows pays em to bclosede
[13:10] <savvas> justin007827: if you want to copy a directory, use cp -R ...
[13:10] <jimiridge> that what i get from that sentance
[13:10] <raintheory> i didnt realize the connectivity issue until i edited my sources.list and tried to update some stuff....   then checked the web..  no go./    everything seems fine the the admin/network setup.
[13:10] <justin007827> ok, so cp -R to move the directory. thanks
[13:11] <DASPRiD> or cp -a
[13:11] <savvas> justin007827: to move the directory: mv ... :)
[13:11] <tanner> jimiridge: unlikely, would be a waste of money, most common devices can be RE'd fairly easy, sans exceptionally complex devices such as scanners and such
[13:11] <jimiridge> for 500$ a copy i'm sure scumsoft has money to throw around
[13:11] <jimiridge> not to mention dev tools couple undred each
[13:12] <tanner> huh?
[13:12] <jimiridge> and teaching
[13:12] <jimiridge> they hold a monopoly on the knowledge too you know
[13:12] <amikrop> tanner: But since then, it may be helpful to know that the whole thing is about some "firmware downgrade": http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2308248
[13:12] <raintheory> also, trying ip addresses does nothing, so its not a DNS issue...    any ideas guys?   i'm pulling my hair out here..   ;)
[13:12] <tanner> microsoft is unlikely to throw money at joe-blow computer manufacture to keep their plain hardware drivers closed "to hurt FOSS operating systems"
[13:13] <jimiridge> i disagree
[13:13] <AnAnt_> Hello, why does the latest update include firefox-2 ?
[13:13] <tanner> and what is your logic for them then?
[13:14] <jimiridge> sure you didnt aptitude install firefox-2 yourself?
[13:14] <tanner> AnAnt_: i see no firefox two in the upgrades list
[13:14] <justin007827> install -d /usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/dist/lib/
[13:14] <justin007827> install -d /usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/dist/bin/
[13:14] <justin007827> (cd cr ; \
[13:14] <justin007827> 	    make ; \
[13:14] <justin007827> 	    install -s -m 0755 dist/lib/*.so /usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/dist/lib/ ; \
[13:14] <justin007827> 	    install -s -m 0755 dist/bin/* /usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/dist/bin/ ; \
[13:14] <justin007827> 	) || exit 1
[13:14] <justin007827> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/cr'
[13:14] <justin007827> /bin/sh: gmake: not found
[13:14] <justin007827> make[1]: *** [util.subdir] Error 127
[13:14] <tanner> justin, PASTEBIN
[13:14] <jimiridge> use pastebin justin007827
[13:14] <justin007827> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/share/virtualbox/vmgl.hg/cr'
[13:14] <justin007827> install: cannot stat `dist/lib/*.so': No such file or directory
[13:15] <justin007827> install: cannot stat `dist/bin/*': No such file or directory
[13:15] <justin007827> make: *** [all] Error 1
[13:15] <tanner> ugh flood
[13:15] <setuid> ugh
[13:15] <setuid> justin007827, stop
[13:15] <Hobbsee> setuid: he's quieted.
[13:15] <Hobbsee> justin007827: pastebin, please
[13:15] <setuid> java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: Cannot load 32-bit SWT libraries on 64-bit JVM
[13:15] <setuid> grrr
[13:15] <tanner> lol
[13:15] <tanner> i was like.. ah hell not more..
[13:15] <AnAnt_> tanner: ah, it includes firefox-themes-ubuntu, that seems to depend on firefox-2
[13:15] <setuid> the Java supplied in the repo for AMD64 is broken, and was shipped with 32-bit SWT libs
[13:15] <jimiridge> pasebinit rox    <cmdline>
[13:15] <KrimZon> err... it fixed itself
[13:15] <_dan_> hello guys, i upgraded to hardy today on my desktop, now i got this mouse problem, every single click is interpreted as a double click, works fine on my laptop but here i cnat single click, anyone any idea?
[13:16] <tanner> !pastebin @ justin007827
[13:16] <setuid> damnit
[13:16] <tanner> erm, damn bot
[13:16] <DanaG> damn hard-lockups.
[13:16] <justin007827> sorry guys
[13:16] <tanner> no worries, just in the future use pastebin for anything over 1 line
[13:16] <KrimZon> audacity broke again though
[13:16] <DanaG> I left my PC seeding with Azureus overnight, with the lid closed, and with compiz not running --- and I got a hard-lockup.
[13:16] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ah... I've worked out why gcalctool is screwing up thousands seperators
[13:16] <justin007827> how does that work?
[13:16] <raintheory> ...so no ideas about the networking issue?
[13:17] <orvokki> Hmm... This might be starting to unravel.
[13:17] <setuid> DanaG, I did to, actually... black screen, but the PC was running
[13:17] <tanner> justin007827: you paste whatever in a box, submit and give us the url so we can look at it
[13:17] <tanner> Azureus is evil
[13:17] <raintheory> i'd hate to install 7.10 on this laptop so close to hardy release
[13:17] <tanner> KTorrent for the win!
[13:17] <setuid> tanner, and you prefer what?
[13:17] <raintheory> deluge is nice
[13:17] <setuid> tanner, Can ktorrent blacklist a range of IPs?
[13:17] <tanner> setuid: see previous statement
[13:17] <tanner> yes
[13:17] <tanner> ipfilter plugin
[13:17] <justin007827> ok, that was the output from my term
[13:17] <DanaG> Azureus can't directly cause hard-lockups, though.
[13:17] <setuid> I have a blacklist of over 30,000 unique IPs (basically the entire US)
[13:17] <justin007827> when i tried to make a file
[13:18] <raintheory> azureous isnt great, i think cuz its java though
[13:18] <setuid> justin007827, Install gmake
[13:18] <justin007827> k
[13:18] <raintheory> feature wise its okay
[13:18]  * tanner hates Java and Flash
[13:18] <setuid> justin007827, "making a file" is as simple as 'touch filename'
[13:18] <justin007827> thats what i thought
[13:18] <jimiridge> but cmon tanner i'm sure even you like to watch youtube
[13:18] <justin007827> ok
[13:18] <orvokki> Hmm, how would I make certain that my Ubuntu would use nvidia kernel module 169.12 instead of 71.86.04?
[13:18] <tanner> especially flash, flash is evil
[13:19] <raintheory> haha @ jimiridge
[13:19] <tanner> jimiridge: i download the flv files and play it locally whenever possible
[13:19] <orvokki> It seems that it's using the *old* kernel module and I'm starting the suspect it's the source of all evil on my system.
[13:19] <tanner> and its not you tube.. its ...nvm
[13:19] <david> noscript ftw
[13:19] <emma> Is there any open source alternative to Flash?
[13:19] <_dan_> hello guys, i upgraded to hardy today on my desktop, now i got this mouse problem, every single click is interpreted as a double click, works fine on my laptop but here i cnat single click, anyone any idea?
[13:19] <david> enable flash if you need/want to
[13:19] <raintheory> is there a room strictly for networking issues?
[13:19] <tanner> emma: gnash
[13:19] <orvokki> emma: Gnash.
[13:19] <justin007827> gnash, right?
[13:20] <orvokki> It's not there yet though.
[13:20] <tanner> however no support for flash 9
[13:20] <justin007827> ya
[13:20] <jimiridge> thats like copying and pasting cmd output to pastebin when you can just pipe ith through pastebin
[13:20] <david> I'm yet to see gnash work :B
[13:20] <setuid> flash works fine here
[13:20] <setuid> shrug
[13:20] <tanner> flash will die eventaully anyway
[13:20] <emma> Why is Flash so prevalent if it is evil?
[13:20]  * DanaG hates just Flash.
[13:20]  * Hobbsee suggests the /topic
[13:20] <jimiridge> pipe it through "pastebinit"*
[13:20] <Hobbsee> emma: i'm sure you could ask the same of windows.
[13:20] <tanner> haha @ Hobbsee
[13:21] <tanner> emma: at the time it was the only technology capable of what it could do
[13:21] <DanaG> Here's my impression of Flash:
[13:21] <tanner> and wow that was a horrible sentence in so many way
[13:21] <DanaG> *segfault*
[13:21] <tanner> lol
[13:21] <emma> In what ways does Flash present itself as evil from our perspective?
[13:21] <DanaG> (when browsing YouTube, it seems to happen approximately every 3 pages.)
[13:21] <raintheory> see ya guys
[13:21] <raintheory> take care
[13:21] <david> emma: CPU hogging?
[13:21] <tanner> emma: closed, resource consuming junk, with support lagging
[13:21] <Hobbsee> emma: nonfree.
[13:21] <jimiridge> firefox crash? yeah i get that too DanaG
[13:22] <Hobbsee> tanner: :)
[13:22] <setuid> Anyone have a viable replacement for the non-functioning NetworkManager tool?
[13:22] <jimiridge> but just recently the adblock extension got ported to the beta firefox
[13:22] <tanner> setuid: the command line :D
[13:22] <jimiridge> i was sooo happy
[13:22] <setuid> tanner, Right, that's what I use now
[13:22] <orvokki> Heh, I do know how to solve this by recompiling whole X but... I don't think it's the right solution in Ubuntu.
[13:22] <tanner> ah! problem solved! XD
[13:22] <lamalex> jimiridge: the FF3 thing is killing me, not being able to use extensions
[13:22] <setuid> tanner, wireless/wired in Gutsy worked fine at boot
[13:22] <DanaG> I've been using Firefox 3.0 with Adblock Plus for a while.
[13:22] <setuid> But Hardy uses this other broken garbage, so I have to start networking with scripts at boot time
[13:22] <DanaG> jUST needed MR Tech toolkit.
[13:22] <david> lamalex: what extensions?
[13:22] <setuid> Which requires me to log in
[13:22] <jimiridge> anyone know what happened to the ubuntu hardy google partnerpage?
[13:23]  * tanner has adblock plus, web devel, foxyproxy and video download helper
[13:23] <emma> Will Hardy have Firefox 3.0 as default?
[13:23] <tanner> setuid: i'm afraid i have no idea what your actual problem is :\
[13:23] <orvokki> So far seems that way.
[13:23] <jimiridge> thats was soo cool and it disappeared (google partnerpage)
[13:23] <david> I use two extensions with FF3; adblock plus and noscript, they work atleast
[13:23] <Hobbsee> emma: it alreayd does.  why don't you install it, or search the forums for hte answers to your questions?
[13:23] <lamalex> david: del.ico.us for one
[13:24] <setuid> tanner, 1.) Boot machine, 2.) no networking, 3.) log in and start networking via CLI scripts.
[13:24] <david> ah, never used that I'm afraid lamalex :)
[13:24] <tanner> im afraid point #2 is rather lacking in useful details
[13:24] <emma> Hobbsee please don't make harsh comments. We are trying to build a community here.
[13:24] <lamalex> david: they havn't really locked down how they're saving bookmarks yet, so I can't just bump the version number
[13:24] <Hobbsee> emma: we?  how long have you been in thsi channel, again?
[13:24] <tanner> OMG the sun is comming back up :(
[13:25] <emma> Hobbsee - you don't welcome new guests?
[13:25] <david> tanner: time to wake up :D
[13:25] <setuid> tanner, 2.) no networking means that NetworkManager is useless, doesn't fire up wpa_supplicant and friends, etc.
[13:25] <jimiridge> yes
[13:25] <tanner> meh, what happened to time to sleep?
[13:25] <orvokki> Hmm. It appears my Hardy for some reason installed kernel modules for nvidia-glx-legacy instead of nvidia-glx-new... Any idea what could be wrong?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> emma: on hte contrary. just unsure, as you're new, how you're going to start building community
[13:25] <jimiridge> actually sun was up about 2 or so hours ago here
[13:25] <tanner> setuid: is this an upgrade or fresh install?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> emma: particularyl as you dont' seem to *run* the system in question that gets discussed here.
[13:25] <emma> Hobbsee - By asking you to be more welcoming and not use harsh comments. Thank you dear.
[13:25] <tanner> jimiridge: east coast?
[13:25] <setuid> tanner, fresh install
[13:25] <jimiridge> Cincinnati
[13:26] <tanner> close enough :P
[13:26] <tanner> setuid: what is your wireless card?
[13:26] <emma> I'm preparing myself to run Hardy.
[13:26] <orvokki> Apparently not. Sigh. Well, at least I now *know* my problem can be easily fixed for Hardy final.
[13:26] <david> "just do it" - nike
[13:27] <elkbuntu> emma, the forums are a good place to find answers to questions that lots of people are likely to ask, such as 'will this ubuntu version have such-and-such version of such-and-such application'
[13:27]  * DanaG wants an 8510p:  http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/24/hp-compaq-adds-penryn-to-8510p-8510w-8710p-and-8710w-laptops/#comments
[13:27] <setuid> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[13:27] <DanaG> Oh, and to find versions, search packages.ubuntu.com
[13:27] <emma> elkbuntu, oh thank you. :) You see that is friendly information.
[13:27] <elkbuntu> needless to say, if you're going to be running hardy, you need to know how to search for information on your own
[13:27] <DanaG> Or /msg ubotu info packagename
[13:27] <DanaG>   /msg ubotu info packagename hardy
[13:27] <setuid> The driver and card work fine, perfectly, when I start them manually with a shell script to modprobe the module and iwconfig/ifconfig it
[13:27] <tanner> setuid: that is rather odd, did it work on the livecd?
[13:27] <theron> My connections to my router are horrific, NM says I've got a decent connection, another distro same laptop pulls test files from my router @ over 200K, while heron pulls the files @ 10K then slows down to 1000 or so B, then dies after a few min.  I'm thinking that my router is old enough it dosen't do ipv6.  How do I disable it properly?
[13:27] <setuid> tanner, Yep, and it worked in Gutsy
[13:28] <orvokki> Checking out the contents of ubuntu-desktop for Hardy on packages.ubuntu.com == priceless.
[13:28] <jimiridge> "Why are we always "preparing"? Just go. " -Dark Helmet
[13:28] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: which is exactly why this channel is run with a higher barrier to entry than #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:28] <Hobbsee> emma: elkbuntu: at the end of the day, it's got to be useful enough that the developers cna get useful feedback, too
[13:28] <emma> barrier to entry? I typed /join #ubuntu+1
[13:28] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, exactly
[13:28]  * tanner recalls seeing no barrier upon entering this channel
[13:29] <Hobbsee> emma: i'll have to remember to make an IQ test to find the channel next time, then.
[13:29] <jimiridge> a chan key would stop alot of noobs
[13:29] <Hobbsee> jimiridge: the /topic seems to stop some.
[13:29] <setuid> tanner, when I run nm-editor, it shows me the wireless network as being configured, and all of the values are in there (though, there's only one button 'Remove', no 'Add' or 'Save' buttons in the editor)
[13:29] <Hobbsee> jimiridge: and of course, people just refusing to answer noob questions helps, too :)
[13:29] <jimiridge> have the key in the topic
[13:29] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, when they actually read and comprehend it
[13:29] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: afaik, they can be severely encouraged to do so, and to follow it, in here.
[13:30] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, indeed
[13:30] <jimiridge> sorry Hobbsee im an "enabler"  i like to help too much to the point where its excruciatingly painfully
[13:30] <emma> These comments I'm seeing, "IQ test" "when they actually comprehend it" these are sad and offensive comments and I think they might violate the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, and the spirit of being welcoming to everyone.
[13:30] <tanner> setuid: i'm afraid i have no real useful advice for you other than to seek the mailing list and forums, also perhaps post a bug report. certainly stay in the channel you may find a solution and if you do, definately report back
[13:30] <Hobbsee> emma: ....
[13:30] <effie_jayx> is there a bug for sound in rhythmbox. if I lay a video on youtube and then try to listen to something with RB it just doesn't play a thing... audacious is able to play music though
[13:30]  * tanner rolls eyes at emma
[13:30] <hmuller> Can anyone point me to the script which starts compiz?
[13:31] <tanner> oh wait i have a cousin named emma
[13:31] <tanner> O.o
[13:31] <Hobbsee> gimme a break...
[13:31] <tanner> temper tantrum?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> i really dont' feel like her shenanigans in -offtopic a few days ago repeated in here.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> especially as this is support *only*
[13:31]  * tanner fears the offtopic channel
[13:32] <tanner> actually i can barely stand the standard channel :-\
[13:32] <jimiridge> does anyone know if your cpu/bios has to have "virtualization" speciffic flags/options to use xen?
[13:32] <tanner> jimiridge: i believe so, mine did
[13:32] <emma> More abuse.
[13:32] <tanner> wait, yes. as its enabled in BIOS as i recall from some specs somewhere on the wire
[13:33] <jimiridge> damn nowonder i hosed my system a long time ago trying
[13:33] <Hobbsee> emma: if you wish to complain about abuse, here is not the place.  You know where the place was, from the last few times you got banned.
[13:33] <orvokki> Hobbsee: Speaking of support, wouldn't happen to know how to force this into installing nvidia kernel modules for 169.12?
[13:33] <theron> jimridge: it depends if you want to do para or full virt
[13:33] <Hobbsee> orvokki: no, sorry, i don't do nvidia.
[13:33] <tanner> orvokki: manually?
[13:33] <Hobbsee> emma: if you continue in here, then i *will* ban you, as it's offtopic.
[13:33] <DanaG> Oh, another thing: removing networks from nm-editor doesn't prevent it from reconnecting, until you kill and restart nm-applet.
[13:33]  * tanner is not sad to see amikrop go :-\
[13:34] <theron> jimridge: you can  do paravirt with older procs it's just slower, however for full virt you've got to have the VT flag on intel and V on AMD chips.
[13:34] <setuid> DanaG, nm-editor does absolutely nothing
[13:34] <emma> Do not talk about me being banned in here. That should be done in #ubuntu-ops. Because you are humiliating me and people in here won't be able to make an informed judgement about if any of the bans were justified or not. Thank you.
[13:34] <david> I love how the mousedriver in hardy actually works with my touchpad :D
[13:34] <david> yay
[13:34] <setuid> You can't "add" to it, nor can you edit+save any values
[13:34] <orvokki> tanner: I get a conflict: Nvidia kernel module version 71.86.04 and Nvidia driver 169.12. The only way of resolving this that I know involves compiling stuff and I was hoping for a more Ubuntu way to do it. ^^
[13:34] <m1r> DanaG: so there is no way to manualy remove networks from list in nm?
[13:34] <theron> jimridge: you'll see alot of benefit from the newer procs with paravirt as well.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> tanner: would have suggested recommending a support contract for that one, actually
[13:34] <david> oh, and XBMC linux works great with hardy too
[13:34] <jimiridge> theron, i'll look into that next chance <running out of fue;>
[13:35] <DanaG> You can do it with the editor, but then you have to 'killall nm-applet' and then re-run nm-applet.
[13:35] <setuid> IMHO, Hardy is a huge step backwards
[13:35] <tanner> Hobbsee: a "support contract" ?
[13:35] <david> in what way?
[13:35] <Hobbsee> tanner: from canonical.
[13:35] <m1r> DanaG: tnx for info
[13:35] <Hobbsee> tanner: if he refuses to call dell himself.
[13:35] <david> setuid: in what way?
[13:35] <setuid> Things which were rich in features and function in Gutsy, now lack those features and a good 40% or more of the apps I run, are broken
[13:35] <tanner> Hobbsee: and what does this support contract do?
[13:35] <david> ouch
[13:36] <Hobbsee> tanner: acts as his personal support?
[13:36] <david> setuid: can't say I have any negative experience now at all
[13:36] <david> setuid: however I find the moving of screen and resolution to menu "other" very odd
[13:36] <DanaG> evdev has been broken, for one thing.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> emma: fine, but stay on topic from now on.
[13:36] <tanner> orvokki: check your installed packages for other nvidia kernel moduels
[13:36] <setuid> I've been using and developing for Linux for 14+ years, and my FLOSS project is shipped with every Linux distro... but I'm so sick and tired of this 1-step-forward-5-steps-back stuff every year, I may just throw it all away and buy a Mac.
[13:37] <tanner> Hobbsee: still lost i'm afraid
[13:37] <setuid> All the instability and "churn" in Linux is forcing a lot of people to move to Mac
[13:37] <tanner> setuid: i believe that would be a step or 12 back
[13:37] <elkbuntu> emma, we would discuss it there if you would actually make your way there
[13:38] <tanner> setuid: curious, was there anything that was not working in 7.10?
[13:38] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: sure, but i think we'll stop discussing the subject, and she can make her way there if she feels so inclined.
[13:38] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833
[13:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:38] <DanaG> Broken evdev.
[13:38] <setuid> tanner, Nope, Gutsy was solid, everything worked flawlessly.
[13:38] <orvokki> tanner: nvidia-kernel-* packages are virtual packages. It should install the right one when you install linux-restricted-modules-*.
[13:38] <tanner> setuid: and your reason for upgrading to a "Beta" is?
[13:38]  * elkbuntu pokes her tongue out at Hobbsee
[13:38] <setuid> In Hardy, it frequently takes out my keyboard layout, almost every GNOME app crashes randomly, I can get X to dump by loading anything in wine, networking is broken, yadda yadda.
[13:38] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: support.  /topic
[13:39] <hmuller> I'm looking for the path and name of the script that starts compiz, anyone?
[13:39] <setuid> tanner, because I need to test my code against the latest distros to vet out any bugs
[13:39] <DanaG> "           So basically, upstream went nuts and threw away most of the configuration options that made evdev so interesting. Great.              "
[13:39] <tanner> orvokki: you may have to resort to the forums my friend
[13:39] <DanaG> WHy do they do that?
[13:39] <setuid> tanner, pilot-link is mine, and I contribute heavily to Plucker and J-Pilot as well
[13:39] <tanner> setuid: what project?
[13:39] <tanner> ah, wonderful
[13:39] <ikonia> setuid: testing against 8.04 is not wise
[13:39] <ikonia> setuid: a lot of changes have been made in it's development
[13:39] <setuid> So all of hal/udev/usb/kernel is in my purview
[13:40] <DanaG> And lovely messages like this:
[13:40] <DanaG> (II) Mouse.0: Unable to grab pEvdev (Device or resource busy).  Cowardly refusing to check use as keyboard.
[13:40] <DanaG> What the heck is a "Pevdev"?
[13:40] <setuid> ikonia, I disagree, and this is precisely how I validate that everything works prior to release.
[13:40] <tanner> setuid: what you should be doing instead is installing 8.04 in a virtual machine and testing from their, however it really is best to wait until the final product :-\
[13:40] <ikonia> setuid: what if things change prior to release.
[13:40] <setuid> ikonia, Then I change with them
[13:40] <ikonia> setuid: so your constantly testing
[13:40] <emma> Well hello there ikonia
[13:40] <tanner> setuid: curious, what parts of your code depend on specific parts of the distro?
[13:40] <setuid> ikonia, the _reason_ they change, is because of people like me, who find, report and fix bugs.
[13:40] <DanaG> "            The option "Device" or "Path" needs to be set to the /dev/input/eventX device. All other options for device detection were removed. "
[13:41] <Hobbsee> tanner: http://www.canonical.com/services/support fyi
[13:41] <setuid> tanner, the entire protocol subsystem; serial, usb, bluetoooth, etc.
[13:41] <ikonia> setuid: I disagree on that, the reason things change are bugs are found - you testing your own code against them will provide a small range of the tests
[13:41] <ikonia> setuid: but I do see what your saying
[13:41] <setuid> And the other two apps require python and lots of graphcal toolkits
[13:41] <tanner> Hobbsee: ah.. i for some reaosn thought you were implying i should be his/her personal support person
[13:41] <tanner> O.o haha
[13:41] <Hobbsee> tanner: ahh.  heck no :)
[13:41] <setuid> ikonia, No, "my own code" is shipped _with_ the distros
[13:41] <ikonia> setuid: ahhh it's a package then
[13:41] <tanner> Hobbsee: i was going to ask what i did to make you hate me so..
[13:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:42] <ikonia> setuid: I thought you where talking about something you'd wrote for your own needs, not a component, my mistake
[13:42] <emma> ikonia do you see this?
[13:42] <setuid> ikonia, If some Ubuntu packager patches things incorrectly, or patches things wrong, I get hundreds of thousands of users blaming me
[13:42] <Zvezdichko> hello, why do I have the strange feeling that nobody pays attention to bug reports?
[13:42] <setuid> ikonia, n/p ;)
[13:42] <ikonia> setuid: no, I totally understand what your saying
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Zvezdichko: because there are lots more bug reports than people looking at them.
[13:42] <ikonia> emma: yes, I can see that text
[13:43] <DanaG> Why has evdev been so 'gutted' in new Xorg?
[13:43] <Zvezdichko> Hobbsee: no problem, yesterday I reported two bugs (non-critical)
[13:43] <DanaG> It makes absolutely no sense.
[13:43] <Zvezdichko> and no sign that they have benn looked
[13:43] <tanner> setuid: it is entirely understandable, however again, if you are going to develop software against a beta relase it is most recommened to install that beta in a protected environment such as a V< and build from there
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Zvezdichko: weekends?
[13:43] <tanner> eek, must have been 5 typos in there
[13:43]  * tanner needs sleep :(
[13:43] <setuid> tanner, I don't develop against beta... my code is solid, everything works, _upstream distros_ break things, by removing/breaking core functionality
[13:44] <setuid> like shipping broken udev scripts, breaking the kernel with rejected patches and so on
[13:44] <orvokki> tanner: I assume this is just a simple thing that could even be done on purpose.
[13:44] <orvokki> So I would prefer not to make a big issue out of it.
[13:44] <tanner> orvokki: i really honestly have no idea
[13:44] <orvokki> Amd64 packages tend to be ready later than x86.
[13:45] <tanner> setuid: understandable. are you also the package maintainer?
[13:45] <setuid> tanner, Nope
[13:46] <setuid> Which is why my code, from the source tarball _always_ works, where the packages fail
[13:46] <virtuald> i want to report a bug on a prog, but i don't know what the package name is... is there a way to figure out which package installed that executable?
[13:46] <setuid> When a user says "I'm using distro X and your code breaks when I do Y..." I say "Here, try the source tarball, and here's how to build and test it."
[13:46] <tanner> so, to me, it would seem the responsibility of the package maintainer to assure it works properly as it is yours to ensure the code works properly
[13:46] <orvokki> tanner: And considering I managed to fix the problem by running Nvidia's proprietary installer (and I haven't heard of anyone else that has it), I think I'll just wait.
[13:46] <setuid> In 100% of the cases, it works for them.
[13:47] <tanner> orvokki: ah.. i was under the impression you were getting that error from nvidias installer
[13:47] <orvokki> tanner: No. It was that Hardy was unable to install the correct nvidia kernel module for 169,12 in amd64.
[13:47] <tanner> setuid: unfortunately this is the issue with having 12,000 variations of linux
[13:48] <setuid> The issue is always in the distro
[13:48] <setuid> Not "linux"
[13:48] <setuid> It's fine, I deal with it, but that's why I need to constantly be on the bleeding edge of distro-ville
[13:48] <tanner> lets go ahead and not get on a symantics issue about the use of linux and distro interchangably, i am far too tired :)
[13:48] <rom> hi*
[13:49] <rom> could you help me please? : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0
[13:49] <tanner> again, then it seems you need to rely on the package maintainer to assure it works properly
[13:50] <tanner> setuid: i realize that doesnt help with your current issues of wifi, but in my defense, network manager is crap :D
[13:50] <setuid> it didn't exist in Gutsy, and that worked fine. Why the hell do we need a non-functional GUI applet to see/configure networking anyway?
[13:51] <setuid> You update wpa_supplicant.conf, and things "Just Work(tm)", no need to monkey around with a GUI
[13:51] <ikonia> setuid: thats an interesting comment, do you suggest removing it until it works
[13:51] <setuid> besides, networking should work _without_ starting X or gdm/kdkm
[13:51] <setuid> And with NetworkManager, that isn't possible
[13:51] <tanner> setuid: im not sure, but i think networkmanager rewrites parts of the wheel on how it handles the interfaces
[13:51] <setuid> So a headless box without X won't have working networking, unless you "fix" it with some scripts
[13:51] <DanaG> We need some sort of ncurses UI.
[13:52] <tanner> setuid: ifup?
[13:52] <setuid> tanner, never used it
[13:53] <setuid> Never had to
[13:53] <tanner> setuid: i think the assumption is that if you do not require X server, you are capable of using the CLI to configure networking
[13:53] <setuid> tanner, It makes installing a headless Ubuntu machine remotely, impossible.
[13:53] <ikonia> I thought you could use dpkg-reconfigure to configure networking interfaces ?
[13:53] <Jaymac> my hardy upgrade seems to have deleted fstab, so now I can't get beyond a busybox terminal :)
[13:53] <setuid> Which again, worked fine in Gutsy
[13:53] <ikonia> is that not "non-X" enough
[13:54] <tanner> setuid: well by headless i assume there is no monitor or keyboard, and based on that assumption it is rather impossible to auto configure a network (except a basic wired) especially a wireless one
[13:56] <setuid> tanner, I'm trying ktorrent here, to attempt to replace what I use Azureus for... and it appears to ignore my local IP filter block file. Seems it _requires_ it to be on http. Wtf.
[13:56] <tanner> setuid: consult #ktorrent for any usefull advice
[13:56] <setuid> The only option is to use a remote, http-hosted, PeerGuardian-format filter file.
[13:57] <tanner> i really havent messed with ip filter very much
[13:57] <tanner> however i believe it just looks for a certain file in a directory (to be formatted in a certain way)
[13:58] <setuid> I have 9,378 netblocks in my filter file
[13:58] <setuid> Azureus US Filter:<IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:58] <setuid> for example
[13:59] <setuid> pulseaudio is another example of an over-engineered solution to a non-existant problem in Ubuntu
[13:59] <setuid> Remove pulseaudio, and everything works with sound...
[13:59] <tanner> again, im not well versed on the inner workings of that plugin, best results likely to come from #ktorrent or google
[14:00] <tanner> however i think i must go to sleep before it becomes too bright to be able to
[14:01] <m1r> i have problem with prism54usb driver it seems, it was working perfectly on 7.10 , but on 8.04 it connects to wlan network and drops after 3 seconds. http://pastebin.com/f71cc919c , can someone help with it ?
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> m1r: does it ever truly connect, i.e., do you get a valid IP address?
[14:02] <m1r> nosrednaekim: how can i check that ? it disco after 3 seconds
[14:03] <m1r> nosrednaekim: it shows full signal when conected and then it just go off
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> m1r: while its trying to connect, keep running "iwconfig" exactly when it connects, the IP should change to something like "<IP_ADDRESS>8" if it doesn't... then its not really connecting
[14:04] <m1r> nosrednaekim: tnx , i go try , brb
[14:04] <jng> anyone managed to get BBC iplayer radio working?
[14:05] <jng> i just get a nasty crackling noise :(
[14:05] <DanaG> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/027515.html    http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-December/030964.html
[14:05] <DanaG> two things about HAL that I agree with
[14:06] <m13> nosrednaekim: it shows ESSID but i dont see IP address there
[14:08] <DanaG> 169.254 is the "automatic private address"
[14:08] <m13> it shows <IP_ADDRESS> with ifconfig
[14:09] <m13> and now it stayed conected
[14:09] <m13> strange
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> m13: :P
[14:10] <m13> now it stayed hooked and i didnt do anything but iwconfig and ifconfig
[14:10] <m13> ok, it droped
[14:10] <m13> was too good to be true :)
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> hrm.... I betcha as long as you keep hitting iwconfig it will stay connected
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> try it :)
[14:10] <m13> nosrednaekim: what could be causing this ?
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> hey... what package should you use for throttling celerons?
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> m13: maybe the card goes to sleep or something :P
[14:11] <m13> it wasnt working on 7.10 that way :(
[14:11] <m13> now that it drops for 1st time, i must disconect it and conect it again to fetch network :)
[14:14] <m13> nosrednaekim: even with iwconfig/ifconfig droping out again after 3 seconds
[14:14] <m13> worst thing is i have to unplug it each time when it drops
[14:15] <m13> hmm, even if it droped out still showing <IP_ADDRESS> with ifconfig
[14:15] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=447666  -- needs a link to those two things on HAL, on freedesktop.org.
[14:15] <ubotu> Debian bug 447666 in hal "hal: don't have the right xkb_layout anymore...just us keyboard" [Critical,Fixed]
[14:16] <DanaG> Fixed, but the underlying cause has not.
[14:16] <DanaG> The part in Xorg server, that is.
[14:16] <nosrednaekim> m13: prism... hrm... is that a realtek?
[14:17] <m13> no, siemens usb54 , identify as accton
[14:17] <m13> but seems it using prism54usb on 7.10 and 8.04
[14:17] <m13> yoou right , on iwconfig it stays hooked sometimes
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> m13: try pinging <IP_ADDRESS> when iwconfig says it still connected
[14:18] <m13> longer then 10 seconds :)
[14:18] <m13> ok
[14:19] <m13> pinging
[14:19] <m13> i wonder if it will keep working with ping runing
[14:20] <m13> no, i droped after 10 seconds
[14:20] <m13> says at end of ping (DUP!)
[14:20] <m13> then netwrok unreachable
[14:21] <m13> at least it stays on for 10 seconds :)
[14:22] <m13> some progres :)
[14:22] <m13> it stays about 10 seconds then conection drops without any reason
[14:23] <m13> what more could i do to check reason for drop out ?
[14:23] <rom> hi
[14:23] <webmaren> does anybody have a fix for sound support
[14:23] <rom> in hardy, apt-get / aptitude don't have autocompletion, is it normam?
[14:23] <rom> normal
[14:23] <setuid> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2007/08/cryptographic_key_recovery_fro.html
[14:23] <setuid> OOPS! ^ :)
[14:24] <m13> if i try to bring it up , ifup wlan0 , says : ignoring unknown interface
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> rom: apt-get install bash-completion
[14:24] <Dr_willis> Hmm. ANyone else trying out the xfce desktop? does the Autostarted Apps - controlpanel item even launch somthing?
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> m13: thats awfully weird.... does ndiswrapper work?
[14:24] <rom> thanks
[14:24] <m13> i dont use ndis nosrednaekim
[14:24] <rom> will it be installed by default in final version
[14:24] <rom> ?
[14:24] <Dr_willis> heh bash-completion - one of the top 10 things i install on any new install.
[14:24] <Dr_willis> rom,  i dont think it will be.
[14:24] <m13> it was working without ndis on 7.10
[14:25] <m13> so i guess should work without ndis on hardy, right ?
[14:25] <m13> strange thing half minute after connection droped i still have same IP on ifconfig
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> m13: hrm
[14:26] <rom> why wont it be intalled by default
[14:26] <rom> it was in gutsy...
[14:26] <m13> iwlist scan , no scan results
[14:27] <m13> RX / TX transfering data ?!?
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> m13: how about iwconfig transfer errors?
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> rom: if its not installed now, it probably won't be, no
[14:28] <setuid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2rM5Zy5T5Y
[14:28] <m13> no errors
[14:28] <rom> nosrednaekim: ok, it's strange, it was on gutsy...
[14:34] <jng> weirdness with lockscreen.. a couple of times I've come back to a locked screen and it won't accept my password
[14:34] <m13> what would happend if i manually copy prism54usb.ko from 7.10 and put it in 8.04? will update break this package ? could somthing other go wrong ? as it is reading only from this file i think
[14:34] <jng> switching to a console and resetting the passwd then back to the lockscreen and i can get in..
[14:36] <Dr_willis> jng,  you are the 2nd person ive seen  mention that.. there maybe a bug going on.
[14:36] <jng> tks.. i thought i'd been rooted ;)
[14:36] <jng> i'll see if i can gather more info.. it isn't every time
[14:37] <HardyOne> lockscreen seems to be working properly here but I will start testing it more often
[14:37] <jng> also seems to affect the keyring
[14:38] <jng> overall though, 1 week into Hardy and i'm enjoying it lots.. been using it at work too
[14:41] <Jaymac> hmm... when i upgraded to hardy it installed both kernel 2.24.whatever-386 and 2.24.whatever-generic - the 386 one gives me a busybox prompt whilst the generic one works fine.. wonder why
[14:43] <Zvezdichko> i use the 386 kernel
[14:43] <Zvezdichko> works great
[14:43] <Jaymac> Zvezdichko: I take it it is safe to delete it
[14:43] <HardyOne> Jaymac, I know alot of people had sound issues with the 386 kernel perhaps something in your hardware and that kernel dont mesh
[14:44] <Jaymac> HardyOne: it freezes on mounting root filesystem
[14:44] <HardyOne> Jaymac, yes it is say to uninstall . use synaptic and search for -386
[14:44] <Jaymac> when i poke around in busybox /usr/bin isn't there, neither is fstab.. so something isn't quite right
[14:45] <Zvezdichko> i mean, i don't need to delete id because i only use this kernel
[14:45] <Zvezdichko> :)
[14:45] <dimitree> Well i just did a fresh install of 8.04 and still my xorg is full with Section "Device"	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[14:46] <Jaymac> got the gnome-settings-daemon problems that others have been having too
[14:47] <Zvezdichko> there are no serious issues I'm aware, however
[14:50] <Zvezdichko> is anybody aware with this open-vm-tools
[14:52] <ClaesBas> Anybody now if it's only 8.04 server beta which don't have ipmisensors with kernal or does ubuntu kernal at all have it?
[14:54] <Dr_willis> my xorg.conf is so minimal.. its scary
[14:55] <Zvezdichko> Dr_willis: mine is also minimal, but everything works
[14:55] <Dr_willis> Zvezdichko,  yea. which suprises me..
[14:56] <Dr_willis> i wonder what to even do if i want to  add my wacom tablet. :)
[14:58] <jng> re: xorg I'm having some trouble with an external monitor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/200805
[14:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200805 in xorg-server "xorg uses laptop video BIOS 'Panel Size' for external monitors, so apps end up confined to small space in top left of screen" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:59] <jng> I think there might be some sort of race going on 'cos if I log off and log back on again it often works ok
[14:59] <Dimitree> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doens't work again :/
[14:59] <jng> nope.. that just throws away the hacks i added to get compiz to run fast ;)
[15:01] <Dimitree> how can i make sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work ? :/
[15:01] <jng> in what way doesn't work?
[15:01] <Dimitree> it skips driver selection monitor selection and goes right to keyboard layout
[15:02] <jng> ahh.. in hardy xorg.conf is pretty minimal
[15:02] <Dimitree> awesome :)
[15:03] <Dimitree> so i guess i must manualy add my intel GPU and monitor ?
[15:03] <jng> no i don't think you need to
[15:04] <jng> just bring up the screen resolution prefs once you get into X and you can play
[15:05] <Dr_willis> i wonder where these settings are gettting set at.. :)
[15:05] <Dr_willis> xorg is just using the magicial X elfen magic to get the info?
[15:05] <jng> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#xorg.conf
[15:05] <Dimitree> jng i am in X but i don't have options to set refresh rate higher then 60hz
[15:05] <jng> Dr_willis: i'm pretty sure its elfin magic
[15:06] <rom> could someone help me for adding "SHMConfig" "true" in my xorg.conf please?
[15:06] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with network manager, it keeps trying to connect to a network (wether wired or wireless) even after it successfully acquires an IP address
[15:06] <kcandrew> Hi, I'm trying to install vmware-tools on hardy and I am looking for the header file for the kernel so that I can get it working right. According to the forum it should be in /usr/src/*/arch/i386 (where * is something like linux headers generic). However, I don't have an i386 file.
[15:07] <kcandrew> There is only x86.
[15:08] <kcandrew> Was it renamed to that? I'm not really sure that I'm looking for a directory of a text file. So, I don't know.
[15:08] <HardyOne> rom, use gedit to open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit the appropriate line
[15:09] <rom> HardyOne: my problem is "the appropriate line"
[15:09] <HardyOne> rom, is it not there?
[15:09] <rom> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0 (here is my xorg.conf)
[15:10] <Zvezdichko> hmm... I'll ask that question again - will there be OpenOffice 2.4 in Hardy?
[15:10] <jng> Zvezdichko: i read it is already 2.4
[15:10] <jng> .. just says its 2.3
[15:10] <jng> so yes, it will be 2.4
[15:11] <HardyOne> rom, put it in the InputDevice muse section
[15:11] <HardyOne> mouse
[15:11] <Dimitree> ok this is so wird :) when i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and then go to screen resolutions, my monitor is identifyed currectly and i have a 85h refresh option, however when i click apply the screen switches to 60hz refresh rate and the monitor becomes unknown :)
[15:11] <Zvezdichko> yep... of course, I know how to install software manually :) but I prefer software only from the official repositories :) there are very few programs that I have installed manually - skype, opera
[15:11] <orvokki> Dimitree: Nvidia?
[15:11] <Dimitree> intel
[15:12] <orvokki> Hmm, dunno then.
[15:12] <rom> HardyOne: I did it
[15:12] <rom> but doesn't work
[15:12] <rom> when I launch gsynaptics
[15:12] <rom> it asks me to add SHMConfig true in xorg
[15:12] <HardyOne> rom, you need to reboot
[15:12] <rom> yes, I did
[15:12] <HardyOne> hmmm
[15:13] <rom> in gutsy, I have a section "TouchPad" AND "Mouse"
[15:13] <rom> s/have/had/
[15:13] <HardyOne> rom, so do I
[15:15] <Dr_willis> heh.. yep - having to tweak your xorg.conf now  takes some voodoo it seems
[15:16] <HardyOne> seems so
[15:17] <Dr_willis> i was thinking that SHMconfig option went in its own little stanza.
[15:18] <aquo> I just tried hardy.
[15:18] <rom> how to enabled SHMConfig in anoyher way?
[15:18] <aquo> But i am missing something!
[15:18] <rom> enable
[15:18] <aquo> where is linda?
[15:18] <HardyOne> Dr_willis, in my xorg it is under the Touchpad section
[15:18] <burner> linda?
[15:18] <aquo> linda like lintian
[15:18] <HardyOne> ahh linda! she moved
[15:18] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421
[15:18] <Dr_willis> has an example. :)
[15:19] <aquo> HardyOne: can you give me her new address? ;)
[15:19] <aquo> i really liked her and hugged her often.
[15:19] <HardyOne> aquo, what is linda?
[15:20] <aquo> HardyOne: linda is a tool for package testing like lintian
[15:20] <HardyOne> aquo, apt-cache search linda returns 3 packages
[15:20] <HardyOne> check them out
[15:21] <aquo> hmm, interessting
[15:22] <HardyOne> you maight have to compile linda yourself. I have never heard of it though
[15:22] <HardyOne> might
[15:22] <crimsun> aquo: it's obsoleted.
[15:23] <crimsun> aquo: it was removed from Debian and removed from Ubuntu upon its maintainer's request.
[15:23] <aquo> ah, ok
[15:23] <crimsun> aquo: (see Debian 469039)
[15:23] <HardyOne> aquo, here is a link http://people.debian.org/~stevenk/linda/ but I would listen to crimsun
[15:23] <ubotu> Debian bug 469039 in ftp.debian.org "RM: linda -- RoM; deprecated" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/469039
[15:24] <rom> about deprectation : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468905
[15:24] <ubotu> Debian bug 468905 in ftp.debian.org "RM: qsynaptics -- RoM; deprecated by ToucheFreeze" [Normal,Open]
[15:24] <rom> ksynaptics is FAR to be deprecated by TouchFreeze
[15:25] <dimitree> Take a look please http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61475/        it says that prefered refresh rate is *60  : (
[15:25] <dimitree> 85hz is not avaliable in screen resolution
[15:25] <rom> HardyOne, could you post your xorg.conf please
[15:25] <rom> in pastebin
[15:25] <rom> for showing me the touchpad and mouse sections
[15:25] <HardyOne> rom, yeah gimme a sec
[15:26] <rom> thanks
[15:27] <aquo> crimsun: ok, so linda goodbye linda ;)
[15:27] <HardyOne> rom, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61476/
[15:27] <DanaG> crimsun: oh, you're around now?  Cool.
[15:27] <aquo> if lintian checks everything that linda did, goodbye linda ;)
[15:27] <HardyOne> aquo, seems linda has left the country and did not leave a forwarding address :)
[15:27] <aquo> linda has left the building.
[15:28] <DanaG> Did you see my note the other day about how my Cardbus Audigy has a chip labeled "CA0109-1AG" instead of anything "CA10Kxxx" for emu10k1?
[15:28] <rom> thank you
[15:28] <HardyOne> rom,  np
[15:29] <rom> HardyOne  : in ServerLayout, you don't have InputDevice "Configured Mouse"???
[15:30] <aquo> hmmm, revu-tools depend on linda ...
[15:30] <HardyOne> rom you have the exact xorg.conf that I have pasted
[15:31] <rom> ok
[15:33] <dimitree> is this normal dimitree@dimitree-desktop:~$ glxinfo | grep render direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) G33 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2
[15:33] <dimitree> why is it using Mesa ?
[15:33] <crimsun> DanaG: no.  I'm pretty scarce on IRC these days.
[15:34] <dimitree> but anyway is there a way to force my monitor intu 85h refresh rate on 8.04 ?
[15:35] <DanaG> Aah.
[15:36] <DanaG> Anyway, I finally gave into temptation and rather inelgantly removed the cover of my cardbus Audigy2.
[15:36] <ioan> same problem here dimitree -not solved yet
[15:36] <DanaG> Is CA0109 an SBLive, or a real Audigy2?  The SBLive! has the snd-ca0106 driver, so the 0109 seems only 3 digits off.
[15:37] <dimitree> ho well ... anyone using Blender ?
[15:37] <ehazlett> greetings...  i'm trying to get my latitude xt's tablet functionality to work... anyone have any links?
[15:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another random thing: using evdev for keyboard breaks magic sysrq and ctrl-alt-backspace.
[15:38] <rom> thank you very much HardyOne :)
[15:38] <rom> it works :
[15:38] <rom> :)
[15:38] <HardyOne> glad to hear it rom
[15:38] <rom> this "shmconfig" should be enabled by default :)
[15:38] <HardyOne> yes it should lol
[15:39] <DanaG> And the touchpad gui needs better config options.
[15:39] <rom> ksynaptics was very good
[15:39] <DanaG> Two-finger scrolling!  Two- and Three-finger tapping!
[15:39] <rom> but it has been removed :(
[15:39] <dimitree> Should i install Blender from the Add/Remove or from Blender website :) and advise ?
[15:39] <dimitree> *any
[15:39] <HardyOne> add/remove
[15:40] <rom> is there a chance that it could be reintroduced in default repositories?
[15:40] <dimitree> ok thanks :)
[15:40] <rom> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0
[15:40] <DanaG> http://ltpconf.sourceforge.net/
[15:40] <HardyOne> rom, probably not if it has been removed. unless they get enough bugs to rethink TouchFreeze
[15:40] <rom> but TouchFreeze has no options
[15:40] <rom> only a slider to choose between 0,1 and 2 seconde
[15:40] <rom> seconds
[15:41] <rom> while ksynpatics has 4 tabs of configuration...
[15:41] <rom> we can't say that "ksynaptics" is deprecated by "touchfreeze"
[15:41] <rom> it's a joke
[15:42] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[15:42] <DanaG> run "synclient -l" and then adapt the options to xorg.conf.
[15:42] <dredhammer> can someone tell me where in heron i can select which multimedia app plays dvds? in Gutsy it used to be in System->Preferences->Removable Drives and Media but its not there in Heron
[15:43] <rom> but I want to change the state "dynamically"
[15:43] <rom> with ksynaptics, I did "ctrl alt q" for disabling / enabling
[15:43] <rom> touchpad
[15:44] <DanaG> Gaack, using evdev breaks ctrl-alt-backpace.
[15:44] <rom> and configuring a "delay of disable" after taping a key is not good, because often, it's just before the first key you tape that you move the mouse
[15:44] <rom> ...
[15:44] <rom> so touchfreeze is useless
[15:45] <rom> I am trying to compile ksynaptics
[15:45] <rom> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[15:45] <rom> See `config.log' for more details.
[15:45] <rom> when I ./configure
[15:45] <rom> what do I need to install?
[15:45] <rom> gcc is already installed
[15:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/201937
[15:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201937 in xorg "[Hardy][regression] input devices (in particular Logitech mice) that require evdev to work properly are now broken" [Undecided,New]
[15:48] <rom> ??
[15:49] <dredhammer> how do i change the default media player for dvds in Hardy Heron?
[15:51] <Kryczek> Hi! I'm on Kubuntu 8 (of course) : does anybody else have problems with kio_http too?
[15:52] <poningru> dredhammer: insert dvd. right click on the dvd icon, and go to properties
[15:52] <Kryczek> Konqueror won't open anything via http, and Kopete works with ICQ/AIM/GTalk but not MSN (that requires a HTTP connection in the beginning)
[15:52] <poningru> and then under application or something like that tab
[15:52] <rom> I need some help for ./configure please?
[15:52] <poningru> change the player
[15:52] <rom> checking for C compiler default output file name...
[15:52] <rom> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[15:53] <crimsun> rom: (re)install build-essential
[15:54] <rom> thank you :)
[15:55] <rom> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[15:57] <crimsun> rom: libx11-dev and possible additional packages.
[15:57] <crimsun> rom: which package are you attempting to compile?
[15:57] <rom> ksynaptics
[15:58] <rom> (cf my post :  http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0 )
[15:59] <dredhammer> sorry poningru no such tab when i click properties
[16:00] <rom> I installed libx11-dev but checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[16:00] <DanaG> wtf?
[16:00] <DanaG> my up arrow turned into 'print screen'
[16:00] <DanaG> !info hal-device-manager
[16:01] <DanaG> what happened to the package?
[16:01] <DanaG> "gnome device manager" doesn't replace it.
[16:01] <DanaG> It shows "PnP device"
[16:01] <DanaG> "PnP device"
[16:01] <DanaG> a whole lot -- instead of actual device names.
[16:02] <DanaG> Or "Platform-Specific Device"
[16:06] <sigmounte> hi ! i can't find the package shfs-source , normal ?
[16:06] <rom> crimsun: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0 (my last answer, about my problem "checking for x... error"
[16:06] <rom> )
[16:06] <rom> please
[16:08] <DanaG> What the hell?  My up-arrow key is opening the Screenshot dialog.
[16:09] <Kryczek> can anybody please help me understand what's wrong with my kio_http ?
[16:11] <alvarezp> Has anyone seen bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/208030 ?
[16:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208030 in ubuntu "TrueType fonts don't appear in xfontsel." [Undecided,New]
[16:16] <techbw> Hi all, I have an issue, and was told in the kubuntu channel that I should ask here.
[16:18] <techbw> my mouse pointers are ghosted, almost as if the shadow effect is not set properly any one know how this can be sorted out.
[16:20] <HardyOne> techbw, you running compiz?
[16:20] <techbw> compiz?
[16:21] <HardyOne> guess not
[16:21] <techbw> what is compiz
[16:21] <HardyOne> if you dont know then you are not running it
[16:21] <rom> :)
[16:21] <HardyOne> !compiz | techbw
[16:21] <ubotu> techbw: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[16:21] <rom> compiz is a 3D desktop environment
[16:21] <rom> with visual effects
[16:21] <Halfanub> Did you update your video card drivers?
[16:22] <TheAsp> I have a hardy box that seems to detect the DVD as a CD-ROM...  Anyway to fix this?
[16:22] <techbw> no I did not, but I did upgrade from 6.06lts to 8.04 and this only occured on upgrading
[16:24] <techbw> I changed the mouse pointer theme, and most places the mouse is not ghosted anymore but when I move mouse to kmenu, then the ghost appears again
[16:24] <Lunar_Lamp> I seem to have problems with hard lockups when my machine is idling.
[16:25] <Lunar_Lamp> If I keep using it, I have no problems, but if I allow it to idle, it will hard lock, and I have to use sysrq+sub etc to reboot.
[16:25] <Lunar_Lamp> How can I work out this issue?