[00:00] <daftykins> ly cheap?
[00:00] <daftykins> :D
[00:00] <ali1234> yes
[00:00] <ali1234> i mean it's not a top end phone or anything but it's not crap
[00:00] <ali1234> it's better than a top teir phone from 3 years ago
[00:01] <ali1234> if it had AOSP instead of hacked about manufacturer nonsense it would be even better
[00:03] <daftykins> nah that sounds pretty good, it's quite close to what these samsung galaxy s3's i fixed are
[00:25] <ali1234> windows is booting :)
[00:26] <ali1234> taking it's time tho
[00:30] <daftykins> classic server2003 on ghetto hardware i guess
[00:31] <daftykins> with the new board it might end up taking a while reinstalling every component too XD
[00:33] <ali1234> i think that is what it's doing
[00:33] <ali1234> the hardware isn't "bad" tho
[00:33] <ali1234> it's dual CPU, 1GB
[00:33] <ali1234> which is pretty good for 2003
[00:39] <daftykins> ouch at that RAM
[00:41] <ali1234> it's booted and i don't have the password, so now i can't shut it down
[00:46] <zmoylan-pi> and it's barely saturday \o/
[00:48] <daftykins> ali1234: will you ever see that 'engineer' again?
[00:49] <daftykins> it's just in time for 10 days left of Server 2003 support!
[00:49] <ali1234> never saw him in the first place
[00:49] <ali1234> and yeah they already bought a new server
[00:49] <ali1234> this one died the day before they were due to switch over
[00:49] <zmoylan-pi> nice timing
[00:49] <ali1234> people don't tend to come to me until someone else has already messed up really bad
[00:50] <daftykins> lol
[00:50] <ali1234> how am i supposed to turn this thing off?
[00:50] <daftykins> ACPI shutdown?
[00:50] <zmoylan-pi> there's a shutdown option at password isn't there?
[00:51] <ali1234> it's greyed
[00:51] <daftykins> not on DCs
[00:51] <ali1234> ACPI shutdown either doesn't work or takes a reallllly long time
[00:51] <ali1234> the HDs are going mad but it doesn't seem to be doing anything
[00:51] <zmoylan-pi> a windows server just starting? thundering herd
[00:52] <daftykins> keep waiting :)
[00:52] <ali1234> it;s so hot in here tho
[00:52] <daftykins> hehehe
[00:52] <daftykins> same, i should power off this windows 10 box
[01:21] <ali1234> still not shut down... still churning
[01:22] <zmoylan-pi> might just be running a disk check after wonky shutdown on old motherboard?
[01:25] <ali1234> omg... "google now launcher"
[01:25] <ali1234> just install it... makes your phone not suck :)
[01:31] <ali1234> i just need the AOSP lock screen now
[01:33] <daftykins> who fancies a challenge?
[01:33] <daftykins> "It's currently powering up fine. But if I unplug it from power for awhile and then plug it back in, it won't power up. If I leave it unplugged for a day or so and plug it back in, it'll power up."
[01:33] <daftykins> a mates LCD which has an external brick adapter, giving a consistent voltage (so is assumed working fine)
[01:35] <zmoylan-pi> heat?
[01:35] <ali1234> capacitors
[01:36] <daftykins> heat shouldn't be an issue, it lives in his basement :D apparently the caps all look ok, most are tiny little ones i think he said
[01:37] <ali1234> they can look okay and still be bad
[01:37] <ali1234> there's nothing else that can fail
[01:37] <ali1234> you could try a different power supply
[01:38] <daftykins> makes sense, thanks! i'll pass it on
[01:41] <ali1234> also don't assume that the power supply is fine because you tested it under no load
[01:44] <daftykins> very true, that
[01:44] <ali1234> ooo here comes thunder
[01:47] <ali1234> hmm big flash of lightning there
[01:48] <daftykins> :D
[01:48] <daftykins> i loved a good storm, until i had that flooding the other day
[01:49] <ali1234> last time it properly rained here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CoZ2kwu-eY
[01:50] <zmoylan-pi> growing up is the difference between your reaction to snow as a kid and snow as an adult...
[01:53] <shauno> we had some great rain here yesterday, while the rest of the internet was whining about their heatwave
[01:56] <daftykins> ali1234: erk!
[02:03] <daftykins> mmm i do like these digitalocean VPSs
[02:30] <diddledan> \o/
[02:33] <daftykins> :D
[02:54] <shauno> I think I've given up on sleep
[02:55] <daftykins> good man, join us!
[03:06] <shauno> it's everything I thought it'd be :)
[03:07] <shauno> so, ARIN figure they've got about enough blocks left for the next 2-4 weeks.  fun times.
[03:08] <daftykins> hahaha
[03:08] <daftykins> time to NAT all the things
[03:09] <diddledan> CGN is evil
[03:09] <shauno> they've already started moving people to the 'waiting list' if they're approved for a block that's bigger than they can provide
[03:10] <daftykins> cats grasping nunchuks?
[03:10] <shauno> carrier-grade NAT
[03:10] <shauno> (nat at the isp instead of the enduser)
[03:11] <diddledan> I've just tonight restarted my tunnelbroker connection
[03:11] <daftykins> ah
[03:11] <shauno> I should go nag UPC again sometime
[03:11] <shauno> they kept saying summer 2013.  sometime last year they took the '2013' bit out the FAQ so it just said 'summer'
[03:12] <daftykins> lol
[03:12] <diddledan> haha
[03:12] <diddledan> who cares which summer, they're thinking.
[03:12] <shauno> oh no, it has changed
[03:12] <shauno> Liberty Global/UPC are in the process of implementing IPV6 and will be done in 2014.
[03:12] <diddledan> not long to go then
[03:13] <shauno> that's only a year away ;)
[03:13] <daftykins> quick, back to the future!
[03:14] <shauno> don't go back!  I've decided going backwards would be terrible
[03:15] <shauno> it'd be like .. you get the results for the lottery.  and then win the lottery.  and then buy the ticket.
[03:15] <shauno> by the 'end' of it you're one pound richer because you haven't bought the ticket yet
[03:17] <daftykins> :)
[03:17] <daftykins> but you get to go out as a pleasurable moment.
[03:17] <shauno> I keep winning the lottery.  it's horrible
[03:18] <daftykins> all you win is more tickets?
[03:18] <shauno> I keep winning a fiver, but not often enough that I'm actually coming out ahead
[03:18] <shauno> but when you wake up and find you have an email telling you you've won, it doesn't say how much you've won
[03:19] <shauno> so you get out of bed, go login to their site, it still doesn't tell you, you have to go dig it up and then it finally tells you .. 5 quid
[03:19] <shauno> I think if it just said "well done, you've won a fiver" in the email I'd be happy.  like finding money in your pants when you do laundry
[03:20] <daftykins> :)
[03:20] <shauno> but because it drags you though the whole "sooo do I go to work or not?" thought process, by time you find the actual number you're just disappointed
[03:23] <shauno> and this is why I can't sleep at 4am.  my head gets way too caught up in stuff that really, truely doesn't matter
[03:37] <daftykins> i'm learning about chainrings!
[03:38] <daftykins> BCD or bolt circular diameter was a new one to me
[03:41] <shauno> chain rings?
[03:41] <daftykins> yeah the front sprockets on a bike
[03:41] <daftykins> need to replace my whole drivetrain
[03:42] <ali1234> yay password crackers
[03:42] <ali1234> i finally turned it off
[03:43] <ali1234> now my ears are ringing
[03:43] <shauno> ahh
[03:43] <daftykins> you pinched a hash from disk and went to town on it?
[03:43] <ali1234> yeah
[03:43] <shauno> I have to replace something stupid on mine, which is annoying.  especially since it looks like I'll spend more on tools than parts
[03:43] <daftykins> ah, i wonder if you can do the wonderful windows 7 method
[03:44] <daftykins> boot liveCD, replace the accessibility program which runs on the login screen with cmd.exe
[03:44] <daftykins> press shift or something a few times to run the accessibility helper, cmd runs as SYSTEM... hurrah \o/
[03:44] <daftykins> :)
[03:44] <ali1234> couldn't do any of that without rebooting.. couldn't reboot without the password
[03:44] <daftykins> shauno: hmm what part?
[03:44] <ali1234> i got the hashes from the disk image i took previously
[03:44] <daftykins> eh i'd have mashed reset
[03:44] <daftykins> ah handy :D
[03:45] <ali1234> then it will sulk next time i boot
[03:45] <shauno> the bottom ... bracket?
[03:45] <daftykins> the insert between the cranks? ah, is it grinding?
[03:45] <shauno> nah, it's absolutely fine.  pristine even.
[03:45]  * daftykins blinks
[03:46] <shauno> I've chewed the living familyfriendly out of the shaft that goes through it.  and it's some sealed/integrated job so the whole thing goes with it
[03:46] <daftykins> erk
[03:47] <daftykins> my MTB runs this funky shimano hollowtech tech, you can peer right through the centre of the bottom bracket from either side :D
[03:48] <shauno> that kinda sounds like a haven for crud?
[03:48] <daftykins> not seen anything in mine
[03:48] <shauno> cool
[03:49] <shauno> mine's just .. I replaced the crank because that was chewed up.  and the bolt that sorta held it on, since I'd threaded it so badly you'd never have known it was a bolt
[03:49] <daftykins> but yeah, not changed it since i bought this bike in 2008 - sooo yep new one time :D
[03:49] <daftykins> hahaha
[03:49] <shauno> and 2 weeks later it's falling off again
[03:50] <daftykins> i've never actually done any of this business, but my mate knows a lot about it and has offered to help
[03:50] <shauno> heh, me neither.  but I figure it can't be that difficult
[03:50] <shauno> I learn from mistakes, and I'm making lots of mistakes, so it'll sort itself out eventually
[03:51] <daftykins> definitely :)
[03:51] <daftykins> i'd like to work out how to bleed my brakes properly, but i see the container of hydraulic fluid has spilt inside my repair kits' box
[03:51] <shauno> it just means it's pretty much unusable for now, because my wrench doesn't fit this crank, so when it falls off this time, it's off for good
[03:52] <shauno> (I don't have a socket that's big enough for the bolt, but small enough to fit in the recess the bolt lives in)
[03:54] <daftykins> annoying the way tools can be like that :>
[04:02] <daftykins> good laaaaaawd it costs £31.49 for a _single_ chainring
[04:08] <shauno> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00TFD6C78/   seems I need that spikey thing in the middle.  that's not too bad
[04:11] <daftykins> http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/uc/en/park-tool-bottom-bracket-tool-bbt22/rp-prod17704
[04:11] <daftykins> same as that perhaps
[04:11] <daftykins> and i think CRC are in Ireland :)
[04:13] <daftykins> ah Belfast
[04:14] <shauno> bloody hell.  they want e24 just for that part
[04:15] <daftykins> ah must be me viewing the lovely rockdweller tax free edition
[04:16] <shauno> I mean, spot the difference .. http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00FR24JVC/
[04:16] <daftykins> "material: metal"
[04:16] <daftykins> ah yeah, likely story
[04:16] <daftykins> :>
[04:16] <shauno> heh, yeah :)
[04:17] <shauno> not that fussed, I'll lose it long before I need it again
[04:18] <daftykins> that's the spirit!
[04:19] <shauno> anyway, I should go hop in the shower quick so I don't offend anyone at work
[04:19] <shauno> (well, not unintentionally anyway)
[04:19] <daftykins> non-verbally ;)
[04:20] <shauno> I got told off last week, for calling my manager "you know, the wee man that sits in the corner"
[04:22] <daftykins> hrmm that seems a mild one!
[04:30] <shauno> I wasn't actually trying to annoy.  I am genuinely hopeless with names
[04:30] <shauno> I have more than once got in a taxi, stone cold sober, and realised I can't remember the name of my street.
[04:31] <shauno> I've also called my gf "thingie" in conversation with her fmaily :/
[04:32] <diddledan> lol
[04:32] <diddledan> I'll bet they loved that
[04:32] <shauno> her bother picks up on it, but most of them have next to no english, so I get a pass on a lot of things
[04:32] <diddledan> \o/
[04:33] <shauno> although he has his moments too.  he once got the words 'cottage' and 'cabbage' confused, and gave me the most perplexing set of directions to a mountain cabbage
[04:33] <shauno> we didn't have the heart to tell him
[04:36] <daftykins> :D
[04:36] <daftykins> and the meal was great?
[04:37] <shauno> it was.  funny enough I had cabbage soup.  because it was the only word on the menu I recognised.
[04:37] <shauno> kapustnica :)
[04:38] <diddledan> yey for slowotsits
[04:38] <shauno> I know beer, potato, cabbage, cabbage soup, ladybird, and station.
[04:38] <diddledan> silly russian derivative!
[04:38] <shauno> pretty much any other word I try to learn leaves my head rather quickly
[04:39] <shauno> oh, and brewery.  pivovar.
[04:40] <shauno> oh, and my favourite "translation" ever.  hamandex.
[04:40] <shauno> the word for ham is not 'ham'.  the word for eggs is not 'ex'.  but when their powers combine, they become hamandex.
[04:51] <daftykins> XD
[05:16] <diddledan> m00
[05:19] <daftykins> i should not be here.
[05:20] <diddledan> yeah, might be time for a snooze
[05:39] <mapp> this mr robot sems ok:D
[05:39] <mapp> seems
[05:43] <daftykins> ah a wild mapp
[05:43] <daftykins> mapp: setup a digitalocean VPS in London and config'd OpenVPN, got it going from PC + phone
[05:43] <daftykins> you can put all the files into a single .ovpn file which is nice
[05:44] <mapp> yep
[05:44] <mapp> got mine in an ovpn file;D
[05:44] <daftykins> ^_^
[05:44] <mapp> you using inline certs then?
[05:44] <daftykins> well i gen'd the files with easy-rsa then pasted their content into xml tags at the end of a sample client file
[05:44] <mapp> ah
[05:45] <mapp> you checked this mr robot?
[05:45] <daftykins> don't know what that is
[05:45] <mapp> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4158110/
[05:45] <mapp> chck it
[05:46] <daftykins> oh that, thought it was a film for some reason the other day
[05:47] <daftykins> i think i have it in a list of IMDb things to check out
[05:47] <mapp> ;]
[06:36] <daftykins> alright, £132 blown on bike parts, time to sleep!
[06:40] <shauno> night!
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:38] <MooDoo> morning
[09:39] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:57] <popey> O_O
[10:04] <brobostigon> woop, we get a break from the tennis on the bbc today, :)
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you get cycling on ITV instead xD
[10:04] <brobostigon> alittle anyway.
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> they're starting from half an hour away
[10:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and F1.
[10:05] <brobostigon> silverstone is just down the road from me.
[10:29] <bigcalm> directhex: you about?
[10:29] <directhex> maybe
[10:30] <bigcalm> Looking to upgrade the gfx card in my system. Currently it's a GeForce GTX 660 OEM. Been a long time since I've looked at cards, so don't know what to check
[10:31] <bigcalm> The system is an Alienware X51, so very limited on space. Replacing the card with one that takes the same space would be ideal
[10:31] <bigcalm> Do you have any suggestions?
[10:33] <bigcalm> Huh, just seen that the gtx 660 isn't exactly a cheap card to begin with.
[10:35] <bigcalm> Maybe http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-GeForce-Graphics-GDDR5-PCI-Express/dp/B00ICUGOP0 will do
[10:36] <directhex> bigcalm: let me check the length on the stock 660
[10:37] <directhex> looks like you havr around 240mm to play with
[10:37] <popey> oooh
[10:38] <directhex> bigcalm: seems you have space for a 960 or 970.
[10:38] <bigcalm> I've just ordered a 16gb kit from crucial. Will see if I still want to replace the gfx card later
[10:38] <directhex> but not the stock 970, only a couple of vendor-cooler models
[10:39] <bigcalm> Crikey
[10:40] <directhex> http://www.gigabyte.eu/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5252#ov or https://www.asus.com/uk/Graphics_Cards/GTX970DCMOC4GD5/ or http://www.galax.net/US/970oc.html will deffo fit
[10:40] <directhex> and any 960
[10:42] <bigcalm> I'm going to crack the case to see what's actually available
[10:43] <bigcalm> directhex: thanks. Good to know that there are options
[10:44] <directhex> pcpartpicker's filter includes length as a parameter
[10:49] <popey> that 750 looks neato
[10:49] <popey> better than my 460
[10:53]  * bigcalm returns
[10:53] <bigcalm> Yeah, no more room to play with
[10:53] <bigcalm> That card is big and the case is compact
[10:55] <directhex> those 3 cards are MUCH smaller than your existing one
[10:55] <bigcalm> I see
[10:58] <bigcalm> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/t4d2e21rsi6ifuc/AACf7V7JzqmInrt8dPqWEtE_a
[11:00] <bigcalm> So I guess they will fit into the caddy
[11:01] <bigcalm> directhex: do you rate any manufacturer over others? I keep seeing you rant on twitter ;)
[11:02] <directhex> hm, i wonder if *height* is an issue with that caddy
[11:02] <bigcalm> The cards can't take more than 2 slots worth of space...
[11:03] <directhex> that's width :p
[11:03] <bigcalm> Humm
[11:03] <bigcalm> Okay
[11:04] <directhex> you're gonna have to get out a tapemeasure
[11:04] <bigcalm> But I just put the machine back together </grumble>
[11:05] <bigcalm> Those two leads marked 1 and 2. Are they extra power that the pci-e slot can't deliver or just to drive the fans?
[11:05] <penguin42> heck, that card is bigger than some computers
[11:08] <directhex> bigcalm: the former
[11:08] <bigcalm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0f6U7bQgx4
[11:08]  * bigcalm sticks with the fitted card
[11:09] <bigcalm> Doubling my ram is a good step forwards
[11:12] <bigcalm> Fitting a 970 SC into an X51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVi9puLG00A
[11:19] <bigcalm> And with that, time for breakfast
[11:22] <popey> oh man, sam is now super happy, just shared my steam library with him via home sharing
[11:23] <bigcalm> Can you stop him streaming gta v?
[11:36] <popey> its not streaming, it's actually playing locally
[11:36] <popey> but I dunno, probably.
[11:36] <popey> it's a windows box with multiple logins, logged in as him and set him up his own steam account
[11:36] <popey> as soon as he started steam it found the local games and if he tries to start them it offers to request access from me
[11:36] <popey> i get an email and approved, job done
[11:37] <bigcalm> Cool
[11:37] <popey> yeah, it's nicely done
[11:37] <bigcalm> I now have gigabit lan over power, so my eventual steam link box should be a happy experience
[11:39] <popey> nice!
[11:39] <popey> I quite fancy a steam box under the telly, steam link would probably be enough if the windows box is powered on
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> my laptop is "Agent collctn; in transt to UPS facility"
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[11:41] <bigcalm> popey: On directhex's pimping, I went for the box from Game which includes the steam controller: http://www.game.co.uk/en/steam-link-with-steam-controller-and-20-steam-wallet-top-up-bundle-only-at-game-658623
[11:51] <popey> cheaper on steam itself
[11:52] <popey> http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/23/
[11:58] <knightwise> ²its too hard to think today
[11:58] <knightwise> too hot
[12:03] <bigcalm> popey: same price in essanse. The Game one includes 20 quid of steam credit
[12:12] <bigcalm> Time to reboot to GameOS and continue to level up in GTA V
[12:12] <bigcalm> The online races are really fun
[13:31] <popey> bigcalm: i lost everything when i re-installed my windows box, so my GTA5 progress is all back to start
[13:31] <popey> I thought steam would save all that :(
[13:32] <m0nkey_> popey, only if the game supports the steam cloud, which gta5 doesn't afaik
[13:33] <popey> :(
[13:33] <popey> kinda annoyed at that
[13:35] <directhex> popey: valve charge £7 per item for delivery
[13:35] <popey> ah
[13:36] <directhex> popey: so it's £94 for link & controller from valve, £100 for link & controller & £20 of steam wallet credit from game
[13:37] <m0nkey_> how much?!
[13:50] <popey> Hmm, sam was logged into steam on his windows account, I switched user to mine, and now my windows account has sam logged in
[16:14] <knightwise> silly question , but how do you clone a git repository again ?
[16:15] <knightwise> i would like to install this little gem http://cortex.glacicle.org/#install
[16:16] <knightwise> ah ! gotit !
[16:23] <m0nkey_> git clone http://path.to/project.git
[22:51]  * zmoylan-pi puts on tonights movie choice... airplane!
[22:52] <MooDoo> evening all
[22:52] <penguin42> hey
[22:54] <daftykins> :)
[22:54] <daftykins> \o
[22:55] <penguin42>  /
[22:57] <ChunkzZ> no
[23:00] <penguin42> talking of no, how did the greeks end up with Nai for yes, that would be confusing for scots
[23:00] <diddledan> morning
[23:35] <daftykins> mmm they sound totally flipped
[23:35] <daftykins> and something akin to 'Ohee' for no
[23:37] <penguin42> yes, I'm not sure how that's supposed to be read
[23:39] <daftykins> kinda like the 'o' in shop, very quick, then 'he' as opposed to 'she'
[23:47] <penguin42> ah useful to know
[23:48] <daftykins> :D
[23:48] <daftykins> i had a good friend in Uni halls from Greece
[23:48] <penguin42> especially since I'm probably meeting 3 greeks on Monday
[23:48] <daftykins> ooh neat
[23:48] <daftykins> then you get to greet them a kali meera/speera/nichta or some such :D
[23:48] <daftykins> (that's the sum total of all i know)


[01:00] <streaky_> good evening, could anyone tell me if there is much of a difference between a dual boot ubuntu image and a full installation for a nexus 4? thanks
[01:39] <ahoneybun> ahayzen: still around?
[06:32] <liuxg> how can I do a vibration in QML app? thanks
[07:10] <DanChapman> liuxg: HapticsEffect is what you want for that https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-14.10/QtFeedback.HapticsEffect/
[07:11] <liuxg> DanChapman, thanks. do you have any example for using the API? I have not tried it yet.
[07:14] <DanChapman> liuxg: there is an example on that docs page i linked.
[07:14] <liuxg> DanChapman, OK. thanks! I will it :)
[07:39] <liuxg> DanChapman, thanks, it works beautifully
[13:53] <JamesTait> ogra_, has anyone else reported photo sharing from the gallery not actually sharing the photo in your alternate-webapps-container version of G+?
[13:54] <ogra_> JamesTait, you mean directly from gallery ?
[13:54] <ogra_> or when importing into G+ via content hub
[13:55] <JamesTait> ogra_, oh, actually it was from camera app - I took a photo, swiped across to view it, shared via the top-right menu.
[13:55] <ogra_> hmm, that shouldnt be offered, i dropped that ...
[13:55] <ogra_> do you run the app from the store or did you sideload it ?
[13:56] <ogra_> the only thing the app in the store should offer is url sharing ... photos and videos are excluded in that version
[13:56] <JamesTait> I think originally I might have sideloaded it, and then updated via the store when it became available there. I woudln't swear to it, though.
[13:56] <ogra_> you need to import them from the running G+ app
[13:57] <ogra_> hmm, might be that the versioning of the sideloaded one was higher ... the store has 0.2
[13:57] <ogra_> (so uninstall and re-install it)
[13:57] <JamesTait> ogra_, just checked my ~Downloads - google-plus.ogra_0.2_all.click
[13:58] <JamesTait> ogra_, so it looks like I sideloaded it.
[13:58] <ogra_> right, uninstall and reinstall should fix it then
[13:59] <JamesTait> ogra_, cool, thanks. ☺   I thought it would probably be just me!
[14:03] <JamesTait> ogra_, yep, uninstalling and re-installing drops it from the sharing menu.
[14:03] <ogra_> perfect
[14:04] <ogra_> sharing after importing into the app will work though ...
[14:06] <JamesTait> I still have the "official" webapp in the sharing menu, so I can use that, and then use yours for browsing (which looks better, IMO).
[14:13] <ogra_> right, that will work too :)
[14:19] <liuxg> is there anyway to detect the orientation change in QML application?
[14:22] <ahayzen> liuxg, https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-14.10/QtSensors.OrientationReading/
[14:25] <liuxg> ahayzen, yeah, thanks! except that, is there a easier way to do that? I just tried to use "onWidthChanged" in the MainView, but it does not seem to work.
[14:25] <ahayzen> liuxg, as the example states onReadingChanged: { }
[14:25] <liuxg> ahayzen, it would be good to fix the orientation of the app as well.
[14:26] <ahayzen> yeah all of these improvements we are waiting for to land for some apps :/
[14:28] <liuxg> ahayzen, thanks for that. I know it should work. :) for the orientation detection, if it is accessible without using the sensor (underneath, it should be case), that would be the best. this is such a commonly used feature for a lot of apps.
[14:29] <ahayzen> liuxg, the width > height I did manage to use for one app to detect if you are in landscape/portait
[14:30] <ahayzen> liuxg, i had "property bool landscape: width > height" on the PageStack
[14:30] <liuxg> ahayzen, I just tried to use onWidthChanged in the MainView. it does not seem to give me anything. Maybe, I will get another try.
[14:30] <liuxg> ahayzen, you used that on the pagestack. in my app, I do not use the pagestack.
[14:31] <ahayzen> i don't think that worked for me IIRC but on the pagestack or something that was a child did, it was weird if i remember correctly
[14:31] <ahayzen> liuxg, probably best to ask some SDK folks ;-)
[14:33] <liuxg> ahayzen, thanks. I just tried another example. the width and height are not changed when orientation is changed.
[14:36] <liuxg> ahayzen, thanks for answering. I just checked width change event of the Page, it is the same.
[14:37] <ahayzen> liuxg, probably best to make a mini-app and then ask the sdk guys why it doesn't work, then if they agree it is a bug report it :)
[14:37] <nik90> liuxg, ahayzen: AFAIK detecting the width and height change of the mainview used to work, since that's how I was able to  use Ubuntu.Layouts to morph between phone, tablet portrait and tablet landscape UIs for my flashback a long time ago.
[14:37] <nik90> liuxg: I haven't tested it recently
[14:37] <nik90> liuxg: I basically defined property bool isLandscape: width > height
[14:37] <nik90> and used that
[14:37] <ahayzen> nik90, for me it worked in like the PageStack but then that app was weird as it was a Window->MainView->PageStack
[14:38] <nerochiaro> bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/oxide/find-in-page/+merge/258184
[14:38] <ahayzen> yeah i did the same but in the PageStack
[14:38] <nik90> ah ok
[14:39] <liuxg> nik90, ahayzen, I am now using the 15.04 image. it is very weird that I did not get the change event.
[15:19] <bfiller> nerochiaro: the oxide MR has conflicts https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/oxide/find-in-page/+merge/258184
[15:21] <nerochiaro> bfiller: i will merge trunk into it shortly. middle of something right now
[15:21] <bfiller> nerochiaro: thanks
[15:51] <nerochiaro> bfiller: fixed the find in page MR for oxide by merging trunk
[15:57] <bfiller> nerochiaro: thanks
[16:19] <popey> Elleo: seems cutespotify is broken on vivid arale :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/11132731/
[16:20] <Elleo> popey: :/ will try to take a look at the weekend
[16:21] <popey> kk
[19:24] <danielbe> Hello. I would like to install the developer kit for ubuntu sdk 14.10 from the command line. I used the following command: sudo click chroot -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-14.10 create
[19:26] <danielbe> However, the command fails: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11135043/
[19:27] <danielbe> The server on which I want to install the click chroot has ubuntu 14.04.
[21:44] <Neo31> hi there mhall119


[12:29] <flocculant> davmor2: no talking to yourself then ...
[12:29] <davmor2> I always talk to myself, sometimes you need to hear sense ;)
[12:30] <flocculant> indeed - always my reasoning too :p
[13:04] <xnox> Trevinho, i wonder if the black corners are actually "glow" which doesn't render in gnome shell right.
[13:05] <xnox> under unity7 nothing is flat, and everything has glow/shadows.


[06:47] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:51] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[07:01] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:15] <didrocks> good morning
[07:31] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:37] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:37] <didrocks> hey duflu, oSoMoN
[08:01] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, looks like we conflicted on doing libsoup, please check the trello board before starting an update, I had carded it as in progress 5 hours before you added your card (unsure if you didn't check of just overlooked my card there). Also I don't know why you didn't hit the test issue I upstreamed
[08:14] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:18] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:22] <seb128> hey duflu, lut didrocks, how is it going?
[08:22] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the MIR reviews! I read those/get back to you about what needs to be done in a bit
[08:22] <duflu> seb128, unusually well, probably due to 2+ nights of 8+ hours sleep. How are you?
[08:23] <seb128> duflu, I'm good! busy with ff, again a cycle where we are late in landing the new GNOME at the end (and not talking about features)
[08:23] <didrocks> seb128: good, thanks!  Mostly polishing mutter/gnome-shell 3.36
[09:41] <duflu> You?
[09:42] <Wimpress> All good. Getting prepared for Frankfurt.
[09:43] <Wimpress> Snapcraft 3.10 is in final testing.
[09:46] <seb128> Laney, @webkit, I though we would go with 2.27.90 from experimental, Marc merged 2.26 from unstable?
[09:48] <Laney> ok if you prefer, you can move it back then
[09:49] <seb128> I don't know much about webkit schedule, but I expect they will get 2.28 synced with GNOME 3.36 and that's it's best to be on the current serie
[09:49] <seb128> I will check though
[09:49] <seb128> mdeslaur, ^ opinion maybe?
[09:53] <Laney> I thought it had been more usual that we followed the stable series for webkit
[09:53] <Laney> anyway whatever, if someone wants to own it then they can
[10:42] <Laney> seb128 or jibel: have you looked into the focal smoke testing failures at all?
[10:43] <seb128> Laney, I didn't, but IIRC I asked jibel and he said it was something to do with autopilot(?) and python2 missing
[10:44] <seb128> unsure it that was autopilot or some other scripts used in the job
[10:46] <jibel> utah has been ported to python3 and deployed yesterday on venonat. I'll have a look at today's run
[10:46] <jibel> Laney, ^
[10:46] <seb128> jibel, thx
[10:46] <seb128> it was utah then :)
[10:49] <Laney> ah cool!
[10:51] <Laney> https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-focal-desktop-amd64-iso-static-validation/160/console
[10:51] <Laney> looks like python 3 stuff /o\
[10:51] <seb128> :(
[10:51] <seb128> jibel, ^
[10:52] <seb128> python and encoding :/
[10:54] <jibel> now that utah is ported, the test cases themselves must be fixed
[10:56] <seb128> jibel, is anyone working on that? you?
[10:56] <jibel> seb128, me and paride for server jobs
[10:56] <seb128> k, good, I was just making sure it's not a gap
[10:56] <seb128> thanks!
[10:58] <paride> I'm merging the py3 branch to utah master, but I expect there will be issues to iron out, anyway it's working for the basic focal server jobs
[11:00] <seb128> paride, right, https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-focal-desktop-amd64-iso-static-validation/160/console suggests it's not for desktop ... are those basic iso tests, e.g iso_static_validation and test_vmlinuz not common to desktop and server?
[11:03] <paride> seb128, yes they mostly are and that will probably fail on the server jobs too, but the main smoke-default job works: https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/server-f/job/ubuntu-focal-live-server-amd64-smoke-default/
[11:03]  * paride still working on it and fixing stuff
[11:03] <jibel> seb128, the static validation test is used by all the jobs
[11:04] <jibel> if it succeeds it triggers the smoke tests which in turn will trigger the more advanced tests on success
[11:04] <paride> and indeed I triggered the smoke-default test manually
[12:03] <mdeslaur> seb128: I don't have an opinion on webkit, I just merged it so focal wouldn't be older than my security update in stable releases
[14:50] <ogra> kenvandine, hey ho ... i dont really have any news today ... mind if we skip ?
[14:51] <kenvandine> ogra: sure, no worries
[15:10] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I have an update of unity-menubar.patch for the firefox-beta.* branches, can you please push your latest changes before I push it?
[15:11] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, I will be back in like 3 hours and do it then
[15:11] <oSoMoN> ricotz, good, please ping me when you do
[16:31] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[16:32] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[16:32] <hellsworth> hiya
[16:41] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[16:42] <hellsworth> o/ didrocks
[18:05] <ricotz> oSoMoN, pushed
[18:05] <seb128> Laney, can I sync your libsoup2.4 update or do you want to do it?
[19:22] <oSoMoN> ricotz, thanks


[07:54] <mandel> good mognin all!!!
[08:00] <karni> Good morning :)
[08:19] <rye> morning
[08:35] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, everyone! :)
[09:04] <mrfree> morning all
[09:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:36] <Chipaca> mandel: s/brozen/frozen/, and (probably) s/linux/ubuntu/, in your blag :)
[09:36] <Chipaca> czajkowski: greetings!
[09:36] <Chipaca> greetings all, in fact :)
[09:41] <czajkowski> Chipaca: hello again :)
[09:52] <mandel> Chipaca, ups, thx :)
[10:09] <gatox> hi everyone
[10:14] <karni> hi gatox
[10:15] <gatox> karni, hi, how are you?
[10:15] <karni> gatox: hiya, pretty good. we're working on one issue though, that worries me. see oops summaries e-mail if you want.
[10:16] <karni> gatox: how's it going?
[10:16] <gatox> karni, fine... starting the week :P
[10:16] <karni> gatox: hehe. had a good weekend?
[10:17] <gatox> karni, yes, movies, relax and programming... but it's always short :P
[10:17] <karni> gatox: days are too short. weekends are too short. I hate that :d
[10:17] <gatox> yep
[10:17] <gatox> jeje
[10:25]  * mandel goes out more that thw two young guys from the team.. gatox and karni should be embarrased
[10:25] <gatox> mandel, jejejeje yes, i've seen your twits jeje
[10:26] <mandel> gatox, and played rugby.. I've got to say, I'm to old for that sport, I have pain everywhere..
[10:26] <karni> mandel: tell me you have an old dog you have to walk 5 times a day xD (though, really short walks. she's *REALLY* old)
[10:27] <mandel> karni, I have a young one that walks 3/4 hours per day.. I would not mind and old one to be honest ;)
[10:27] <karni> mandel: :D
[10:57] <mandel> gatox, ping
[10:57] <gatox> mandel, pong
[10:57] <mandel> gatox, in lp:ubuntuone-control-panel, if I add a new package, where do I place the platform dependent tests?
[10:58] <mandel> gatox, do they all go to tests? what is the rules used in that project?
[10:59] <gatox> mandel, yes, all of them go to tests, you just create test_windows, etc if you need
[11:00] <mandel> gatox, insie ubuntuone.controlpanel.tests, right?
[11:01] <gatox> mandel, no, if you added a new package, you need to create a test folder inside that package, and place the tests there
[11:01] <gatox> ubuntuone.controlpanel.mypackage.tests
[11:02] <mandel> gatox, ok, that is how I did it, but I'm looking at the run-tests.sh and it does not ignore a single package for windows, where is that tested?
[11:02] <mandel> gatox,  do we have any special tests for windows in that project?
[11:03] <mandel> looks like we just ignores tests on windows.. weird
[11:03] <gatox> mandel, yes, they are not the same (win and linux), i think that is wrong
[11:04] <gatox> we are just ignoriing gtk or qt tests it seems
[11:06] <mandel> gatox, ok, I'll update the run-tests to ignore test_windows.py and will be similar to the installer
[11:06] <duanedesign> mandel: isn't this the useername/ascii bug that was fixed? http://twitter.com/#!/exiper/status/125622417799393282/photo/1
[11:07] <mandel> duanedesign, that is what gatox waas working on, cofigglue does not use unicode so you get that horrible thing in the control panel
[11:08] <gatox> mandel, duanedesign i have a branch that fix that, but reviewing that with alecu, we decide to talk about that branch today with mandel and nessita because there are more issues involved
[11:09] <Chipaca> mandel: configglue does not use unicode, wut?
[11:11] <gatox> Chipaca, there is a problem with the encoding and decoding of the paths
[11:11] <Chipaca> gatox: if they should be unicode, tell configglue that and it should just work
[11:12] <mandel> Chipaca, that seems to be the issue since the root_path is taking from a config file
[11:12] <mandel> gatox, may I see the branch, 'cause I have though of a way to fix that..
[11:12] <gatox> Chipaca, for latin encodings its fixed, but it seems to be an issue for japanese chars, that windows is storing strange chars in the variables from the beginning, so we need to take that values from another place... that's what we talk about today with alecu
[11:13] <gatox> Chipaca, utf-8 i mean
[11:13] <Chipaca> gatox: mandel: I guess you know this, but the problem is in home_dir_parser apparently
[11:13] <gatox> mandel, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/unicode-issues/+merge/79429
[11:14] <mandel> Chipaca, yes, that is the fix I was thinking of :)
[11:14] <mandel> is clearly the simplest way to fix it, and have a diff parse per os
[11:14] <Chipaca> we need to move syncdaemon to an updated configglue sometime :)
[11:14] <Chipaca> ssh, ssh, que ahi viene
[11:15] <mandel> hehe
[11:15] <gatox> mandel, look at the  branch, it was an easy fix... the problem appear in some other place when i tried with all the tests with unicode paths
[11:16] <gatox> mandel, and alecu wasn't convinced that this solved the problem for japanese chars
[11:17] <mandel> gatox, from my point of view the best way to fix this is to go to ubuntuone.syncdaemon.config, like 89 and fix that
[11:18] <mandel> gatox, move that to platform, and in line 145 set the correct one
[11:18] <mandel> gatox, more or less like 20 lines diff + tests
[11:18] <mandel> Chipaca, that makes sense ^, right?
[11:19] <Chipaca> if the only difference is the encoding, then people on ubuntu can get into trouble too
[11:20] <mandel> Chipaca, I think the problem is not using unicode, and we have been lucky so far because str + unicode = unicode
[11:20] <Chipaca> i'm not sure why that assert is there
[11:20] <gatox> mandel, i'm not sure that the problem is just not using unicode
[11:20] <Chipaca> i thought all paths were unicode inside syncdaemon :)
[11:21] <Chipaca> further, I think sys.getfilesystemencoding() would be a good way to make it just work
[11:21] <gatox> Chipaca, agree
[11:22] <mandel> Chipaca, me too.. we can ask nessita, according to bzr blame she owns that line
[11:22] <mandel> and alecu.. I think that should be platform specific to solve this kind of issues, but I migth be terribly wrong :(
[11:24] <mandel> gatox, why do you think is not a unicode problem?
[11:26] <gatox> mandel, with alecu, we tried to cast the path from configglue with unicode and we were receiving weird chars from there... that's way alecu says that windows is storing the information already modified in some variables.... maybe i'm wrong and we should re test it
[11:29] <mandel> gatox, may I know how you tested it?
[11:29] <gatox> mandel, we were trying to force the function to return unicode
[11:30] <mandel> gatox, which function?
[11:31] <mandel> and how were you forcing it?
[11:31] <gatox> mandel, let me look for that......
[11:32] <mandel> gatox, ok, let me walk the dog and we can continue with that
[11:32]  * mandel walks dog
[11:53] <nessita> good morning everyone
[11:54] <gatox> nessita, hi
[11:55] <nessita> hi gatox, how is it going?
[11:55] <nessita> gatox: wanna give me your pending reviews?
[11:55] <gatox> nessita, yep
[11:57] <gatox> nessita, take a look at this one if you can first: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/pep8-fixes/+merge/79438
[12:17] <ralsina> good morning!
[12:17] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:19] <ralsina> hola gatox
[12:21] <nessita> gatox: did you talk with rodney about bug #873266
[12:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873266 in ubuntuone-client "Ignoring PYTHONPATH (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873266
[12:21] <nessita> ?
[12:22] <gatox> nessita, no, i understand that was an invalid bug
[12:22] <nessita> gatox: ah, ok, in that case would you update its status?
[12:22] <gatox> nessita, ok
[12:35] <nessita> gatox: I'm getting these errors from a branch from mandel:
[12:35] <nessita> ubuntuone_installer/gui/qt/gui.py:
[12:35] <nessita>     230:  [W0201, SuccessPage.initializePage] Attribute 'finish_button' defined outside __init__
[12:35] <nessita>     231:  [W0201, SuccessPage.initializePage] Attribute 'next_button' defined outside __init__
[12:35] <nessita> can they be "yours"?
[12:35] <gatox> nessita, probably
[12:35] <mandel> nessita, looks like that since I did not touch that
[12:36] <gatox> nessita, all my branches are up to date.... i'll give you the links now
[12:36] <gatox> nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/network-detect/+merge/77049  -  https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/network-detect/+merge/77048  -  https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/no-mocker2/+merge/78943
[12:36] <gatox> nessita, ahhhhhh i remember that change
[12:37] <gatox> nessita, do you want me to propose a small branch that fix that?
[12:38] <nessita> gatox: that is too much... mandel, can you please add that fix in your migrate-data, please?
[12:39] <gatox> mandel, you should set that variables to None in the __init__
[12:39] <gatox> just that
[12:49] <mandel> gatox, nessita ok, no problem :)
[12:49]  * mandel lunch
[13:01] <nessita> me
[13:01] <gatox> me
[13:03] <mandel> me
[13:04] <mandel> nessita, stand up?
[13:04] <nessita> mandel: I already said me
[13:05] <dobey> meh
[13:05] <mandel> oh, sorry :)
[13:05] <nessita> DONE: day off
[13:05] <nessita> TODO: catch up, debug syncdaemon not working on windows
[13:05] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:05] <nessita> NEXT: gatox
[13:05] <ralsina> sorry!
[13:05] <ralsina> me
[13:05] <gatox> DONE:
[13:05] <gatox> Bug #851356 Fixed, Proposed a branch that fix PEP8 issues in ubuntuone-client.
[13:05] <gatox> TODO:
[13:05] <gatox> Keep fixing bugs (first mediums): Bug #852085, Bug #859711, Bug #859743, see if netword-detect branches get merge.
[13:05] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 851356 in ubuntuone-control-panel "QT UI: Folder list may show garbage for user homes non-ascii (affects: 1) (heat: 21)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851356
[13:05] <gatox> No
[13:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 852085 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "Should call self.backend.connect_files as soon as valid credentials are created (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852085
[13:05] <gatox> mandel, go
[13:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 859711 in ubuntuone-windows-installer (and 1 other project) "congratulations page (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859711
[13:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 859743 in ubuntuone-control-panel "process finished successfully (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859743
[13:06] <ralsina> DONE: mgmt sprint, travel, day off TODO: catchup with email, people, putting the roadmap together, schedule weekly 1-1s with every one of you, hiring, other stuff BLOCKED: no
[13:06] <ralsina> ok, that one was totally out of order. Sorry!
[13:07] <ralsina> next mandel?
[13:07] <mandel> done: worked on autoupdate in control panel
[13:07] <mandel> todo, catch up with MPs , find why I cannot paste I'm in mobile
[13:07] <mandel> blocked, no
[13:08] <dobey> λ DONE: finished fight with banshee/bzr-bd, set up P nightlies, libu1 part of #872972
[13:08] <dobey> λ TODO: finish bug #872972, bug #467397, schedule holiday
[13:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 872972 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Store URLs have to wait for main page to load (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872972
[13:08] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[13:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 467397 in python2.6 (Ubuntu) (and 6 other projects) "KeyError: 'ROUND_CEiLiNG' when using turkish locale (affects: 16) (dups: 9) (heat: 108)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/467397
[13:08] <nessita> mandel: why are you on mobile? have any tech issues?
[13:08] <nessita> any comments anyone?
[13:09] <ralsina> eom I suppose
[13:09] <mandel> nessita, no, I wanted to do the standup while having luncj
[13:09] <alecu> hello!
[13:09] <gatox> alecu, hi
[13:09]  * alecu is writing notes
[13:09] <mandel> I does not work, nessita ill move to the laptop for tom, sorry
[13:12] <dobey> anyone care to review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/libubuntuone/faster-u1ms-pages/+merge/79443 ? :)
[13:13] <dobey> ralsina: btw, when are we going to have that planning-fo-p call?
[13:13] <ralsina> dobey: wednesday
[13:14] <ralsina> dobey: I have to gather sprint notes, and talk to a few ppl before the call
[13:14] <dobey> ok
[13:14] <nessita> mandel: is ok
[13:15] <alecu> DONE: setup a testing VM with Windows Server 2003, as a PDC and with ISA 2004 working
[13:15] <alecu> TODO: finish proxy support design document, discuss different proxy approaches with the team
[13:15] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[13:15] <alecu> NOTE: I'll probably take tue and wed off for moving the old apartment/office
[13:17] <nessita> alecu: I would need you to pause the proxy support work for a little while... we're having a High issue with ussoc that I would like you to take care of
[13:17] <nessita> alecu: bug is bug #875331
[13:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 875331 in ubuntuone-windows-installer (and 1 other project) "SSO Client does not work with non-ascii hostnames (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875331
[13:17] <alecu> nessita, ack. looking.
[13:29] <nessita> gatox: old lint issues still present in https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/network-detect/+merge/77048
[13:30] <gatox> nessita, on it
[13:39] <nessita> alecu: need to mumble about the bug?
[13:40] <alecu> nessita, not yet. I'm following the code, and I'd like to test it a bit on my vm
[13:40] <ralsina> dobey: any clues about bug #876501 ?
[13:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 876501 in ubuntuone-client "Can't start Ubuntuone on Oneiric (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876501
[13:40] <nessita> alecu: let me know if I can help
[13:40] <gatox> alecu, should we discuss about the unicode bug from yesterday?
[13:40] <alecu> gatox, yesterday?
[13:40] <gatox> alecu, jeje sorry....... friday
[13:41] <alecu> gatox, cool! let's discuss, my mind turned into a blank during the weekend
[13:41] <gatox> alecu, are you free now?? should we include mandel and nessita?
[13:42] <nessita> gatox: include me, yes!
[13:42]  * gatox remembers that he didn't setup mumble after reinstalling ubuntu....
[13:42] <dobey> ralsina: that backtrace screams "my python is completely hosed"
[13:42] <ralsina> dobey: ha
[13:45] <nessita> dobey: which backtrace where
[13:45] <nessita> ? :-)
[13:45] <alecu> gatox, I've just refreshed my memory. It was the os.expanduser issue what we discussed on fri, and how it applied to a branch of yours
[13:45] <gatox> alecu, yep
[13:45] <dobey> nessita: ^^ the bug ralsina asked me about
[13:46] <dobey> platform/credentials/__init__.py", line 33, in <module> from ubuntuone.logger import (
[13:46] <dobey> ValueError: bad marshal data (unknown type code)
[13:46] <dobey> nessita: ^^ that :)
[13:46] <ralsina> that actually means "delete the .pyc files"
[13:46] <ralsina> I think
[13:46] <dobey> ralsina: which an upgrade would/should have done
[13:47] <dobey> ralsina: unless there was *already* a problem, at least
[13:47] <ralsina> dobey: yeah. Still, hosed, like you said.
[13:50] <nessita> dobey: smeels like old .pyc were not regenerated
[13:51] <gatox> alecu, mumble is ready
[13:51] <alecu> rye, ping
[13:51] <gatox> alecu, let me know when you are free
[13:52] <dobey> nessita: sure, like "something broke during upgrade" :)
[13:52] <nessita> gatox, alecu: I'm there
[13:52] <alecu> rye, I'm trying to reproduce the bug you pasted, but windows 7 is not letting me name the computer with non-ascii characters
[13:52] <nessita> alecu: out of curiosity, how are you trying?
[13:52] <alecu> rye, are you using some other version of windows?
[13:53] <alecu> nessita, changing the "computer name" in "system properties"
[13:54] <nessita> alecu: I get a warning, but it lets me
[13:54] <alecu> nessita, but when I try pasting non-ascii characters they get turned into underscores
[13:54] <dobey> alecu: do you have english version of windows?
[13:54] <alecu> dobey, yes
[13:54] <rye> alecu, Russian Win7
[13:54] <dobey> alecu: that's why
[13:54] <rye> alecu, what was the default hostname?
[13:55] <alecu> rye, it was "siete"
[13:55] <nessita> alecu: I have the english version, and I could set the computer name to "ñandu"
[13:55] <dobey> alecu: are you trying to replicate the SSO bug?
[13:55] <alecu> dobey, yup
[13:55] <alecu> nessita, are you typing it or pasting it?
[13:55] <dobey> alecu: the same problem happens on linux
[13:56] <nessita> alecu: typing it
[13:56] <alecu> dobey, nice
[13:56] <dobey> alecu: let me see if i can find the bug #
[13:57] <nessita> alecu: I got a warning about that name being "bad" for microsoft DNS server, but it let me change it
[13:59] <dobey> alecu: just make a call to sso in d-feet, using a non-ascii app name, and you should see the same bug
[14:00] <alecu> dobey, good point, thanks.
[14:00] <mandel> gatox, have you done the talk about the unicode issue already?
[14:00] <dobey> alecu: or write a simple python script which does the same thing on windows :)
[14:00] <alecu> nessita, I was able to change it to Ñandu by changing the keyboard layout
[14:00] <nessita> alecu: je
[14:00] <gatox> mandel, not yet
[14:01] <alecu> dobey, I much rather debug this on linux, so thanks for the info :-)
[14:01] <nessita> mandel: trivial needs fixing added to https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/improve-fs-notifications-logging/+merge/79243
[14:01] <dobey> alecu: am pretty sure there was a bug for it, but i can't find it :(
[14:02] <nessita> mandel: please note that cleanup stuff has to be added with addCleanup, otherwise they are not called if something explodes in between
[14:02]  * alecu switches the linux user. See you all laters
[14:03] <mandel> nessita, just read them, will do this before the migration branch since its more urgent
[14:03] <mandel> gatox, let me know when you do it :)
[14:03] <gatox> mandel, ok
[14:24] <dobey> anyone reviewing my branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/libubuntuone/faster-u1ms-pages/+merge/79443
[14:31] <mandel> dobey, I'm waiting for tests to finish, so I can :)
[14:31] <mandel> dobey, puffff, that is a huge MP!!!
[14:31] <dobey> heh
[14:32] <mandel> dobey, there is a typo: padge
[14:32] <mandel> or so I think :P
[14:33] <dobey> doh! yes it is a typo. thanks
[14:35] <mandel> dobey, I think I more or less understand what is going on, but can you give me a little of context for the fix?
[14:36] <mandel> I understand the bug, but is 10 seconds enough? etc..
[14:36] <mandel> I'd like to know what is going on :)
[14:36] <dobey> mandel: currently, the banshee extension has to wait for the main page to load, before loading a u1ms URL, otherwise the album page will load, and then the main page will load after it, automatically
[14:37] <dobey> mandel: so this change makes it so that any active/pending page loads are told to stop before loading the u1ms:// link
[14:38] <dobey> mandel: this is only part of the whole fix (the other part is in banshee), but this makes the banshee part possible to fix
[14:38] <mandel> dobey, ok, and that is done via webkit_web_view_stop_loading, right?
[14:38] <mandel> dobey, makes sense, how do you want me to test it?
[14:39] <dobey> right. it's really hard to test as it is, because banshee needs fixed to be able to visually see the test :)
[14:40] <alecu> nessita, dobey: here's the smallest way of reproducing the problem: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/711002/
[14:40] <alecu> I'm working on a branch to fix it now.
[14:41] <nessita> alecu: looking
[14:41] <alecu> nessita, the thing is that "get_token_name" is always being called with a "utf8 bytes" app name
[14:42] <mandel> nessita, fixed code according to your input: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-client/improve-fs-notifications-logging/+merge/79243
[14:42] <dobey> mandel: just want to get it landed so i can make the banshee fix upstream which depends on it :)
[14:42] <alecu> nessita, but get_token_name assumes that some of it will be passed "type unicode"
[14:42] <mandel> dobey, ok, I think the code looks good, I'll give a +1 stating it was code reviw :)
[14:42] <dobey> mandel: and it's good you caught the typo :)
[14:43] <mandel> dobey, hehe
[14:44] <nessita> alecu: bu
[14:59] <mandel> nessita, regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/migrate-data/+merge/78387, what was the issue, it was some lint regarding the ui, right?
[14:59]  * mandel looks in the back log
[15:00] <nessita> mandel: yeah, just run u1lint and you'll get them
[15:00] <mandel> nessita, ok
[15:14] <mandel> nessita, lint issues fixed for https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/migrate-data/+merge/78387 revno 92, it seems that lp is slow today picking changes
[15:15] <nessita> mandel: ack!
[15:15] <mandel> alecu, ping
[15:16] <alecu> mandel, pong
[15:16] <mandel> alecu, hello, I was wondering if you could give me a hand with twisted
[15:17] <mandel> do you have the time?
[15:17] <alecu> mandel, sure!
[15:18] <mandel> alecu, so, I was thinking about the check for the new version, we want to check every x secs/mins for new versions. This sounds like a good thing to do with a looping call, but I wonder what are the things to consider before doing so
[15:18] <mandel> alecu, and if there is a better way to do it (aka no looping call)
[15:19] <alecu> mandel, in this case, it sounds perfect to do it with a looping call
[15:20] <alecu> mandel, the previous issue with the looping call, was that it was being used to do "just one call". And it that case, a "reactor.callLater" is a much better fit.
[15:21] <mandel> alecu, ok, one more thing, do I have to worry about calling stop when we close the control panel?
[15:21] <mandel> alecu, or reactor.stop will work ok?
[15:22] <alecu> mandel, probably stop is not really needed when stopping the reactor, but you'll surely need it during the tests
[15:22] <alecu> mandel, so: make sure to call it :-)
[15:23] <gatox> lunch........ brb
[15:25] <mandel> alecu, ok, so I don't worry for real live code, I do worry about the tests so that the reactor is not dirty, right?
[15:28] <alecu> mandel, not sure... I'm looking at the twisted source, and it's using callLater internally, so we better call stop always (tests and live code), so the logs don't get polluted.
[15:29] <mandel> alecu, ok, I though so but due to pure ignorance.. I though it would be safer :P
[15:30] <alecu> mandel, if you are looking in the twisted APIs, like in http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/api/twisted.internet.task.LoopingCall.html
[15:30] <alecu> mandel, you'll see a link that says "View source"
[15:31] <alecu> mandel, it's much safer than any guess :-)
[15:32] <mandel> alecu, yeah, I should do, but you are faster hehe
[15:32] <mandel> and I'm lazy :P
[15:33] <alecu> mandel, remember me next time we met that the next "twisted" I should do is your neck!
[15:33] <mandel> alecu, you are too small, and I'm back to rugby + gim 2 hours a day :P
[15:33] <alecu> :-)
[15:34] <mandel> alecu, only one in you family that might convince me agains my will to something is amelia :P
[15:34] <alecu> hahahah
[15:37] <dobey> lunch, bbiab
[16:02] <nessita> mandel: for future references, this is not valid pep8 styling for lists: ['Music', 'Photos', 'Personal', ] it should be ['Music', 'Photos', 'Personal']
[16:03] <mandel> nessita, the problem is the last ',' right?
[16:03] <nessita> mandel: and the last space
[16:03] <nessita> so, the exta ", " should not be there
[16:04] <mandel> nessita, I always do because I've had bad experiences with ('Music')
[16:04] <mandel> nessita, so is a habit, I can remove it from my brain, but it will take me some time :)
[16:04] <nessita> mandel: that's because ('Music') != ('Music',)
[16:05] <nessita> but ['Music'] == ['Music', ]
[16:05] <nessita> mandel: understand the difference?
[16:05] <mandel> nessita, I know, and that is why I always add the ,
[16:05] <mandel> nessita, yes, precisely becaus eI know the diff I always add it, I don't want someone later changing [] for () and braking things, is like my little personal guard :P
[16:06] <mandel> nessita, but if it is not pep8 I can remove it, no problem what so ever
[16:06] <nessita> mandel: thanks
[16:07] <nessita> mandel: and not sure where we are with this import:
[16:07] <nessita> from ubuntuone.platform.windows import tools
[16:07] <nessita> I mentioned you should not import from windows but from:
[16:07] <nessita> from ubuntuone.platform import tools
[16:07] <mandel> nessita, where is that? in the migrate data branch?
[16:08] <nessita> mandel: yeap
[16:08] <mandel> nessita, please cna you add it in the MP and I'll make sure is fixed tom early in the morning
[16:08] <nessita> mandel: sure!
[16:09] <nessita> mandel: I'll approve it and add the comment, so please do not land until that' fixed, yes? :-)
[16:11] <mandel> nessita, ofcourse!!! I would never do that (on pourpose at least!)
[16:11] <nessita> :-)
[16:12] <mandel> ok, EOD for me, I'll see you all tom morning!! have a great afternoon/evening
[16:14] <nessita> mandel: bye!
[16:21] <nessita> mandel: all fixes requests added to MP's
[16:22] <gatox> nessita, let  me know if you have the time to review sso-network-detect today before your eod... the lint issues has been fixed
[16:23] <nessita> gatox: yes, I have
[16:23] <nessita> gatox: shoot!
[16:23] <gatox> nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/network-detect/+merge/77048
[16:24] <gatox> nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/network-detect/+merge/77049
[16:44]  * alecu gets some lunch
[17:07] <nessita> gatox: sso network-detected branch
[17:07] <nessita> ubuntu_sso/networkstate/windows.py:
[17:07] <nessita>     184:  [W0702, is_machine_connected] No exception type(s) specified
[17:08] <gatox> nessita, :S checking....
[17:39] <gatox> brb
[17:49] <ralsina> is irc.canonical.com down or is it just me?
[17:49] <ralsina> and it seems to be up again anyway
[18:09] <nessita> dobey: when you have some spare time, could you please do some triaging on bug #875091?
[18:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 875091 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "ubuntu one does not install - no interface available (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875091
[18:10] <ralsina> nessita: the autoupdate bug is vista-specific (at least noone not-on-vista has complained)
[18:10] <ralsina> nessita: so, mandel has the problem of not having vista
[18:10] <dobey> ralsina: suppose, though not sure what to do with it exactly
[18:10] <nessita> ralsina: he has a msdn subscription, right?
[18:10] <ralsina> nessita: I am not sure he does
[18:11] <nessita> ralsina: I'm pretty sure he does
[18:11] <ralsina> nessita: cool then
[18:11] <ralsina> "pretty sure" >> "not sure" :-)
[18:12] <dobey> ralsina: TypeError :)
[18:12] <ralsina> dobey: that's math, not code :-)
[18:30] <alecu> nessita, dobey: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-get-token-name/+merge/79594
[18:31] <alecu> nessita, dobey: I just tested that branch irl on the windows machine with ukranian hostname, and it works fine.
[18:31] <alecu> sorry, not ukranian, but a hostname with Ñ
[18:32] <alecu> it's my linux host that has an ukranian name now. :-)
[18:33]  * ralsina starts a poll on "where are we going to break because of a non-ascii character next"
[18:33] <ralsina> I am betting "domains with non-ascii characters somehow made it into syncdaemon" :-)
[18:34] <alecu> ralsina, my bet is on "unicode characters in timestamps!"
[18:35] <ralsina> alecu: "17/íí/20íí"
[18:35] <dobey> MMMMMMMXCVI
[18:46] <alecu> gatox, sorry, I rushed to finish the "unicode on hostnames" bug, and I totally forgot that we had to mumble.
[18:47] <gatox> alecu, jeje no problem, we can do it tomorrow if you want... i'm close to my eod..... and i'm fighting with a reactor was unclean now :S
[18:47] <alecu> gatox, ok. But I'll probably be taking the day off tomorrow
[18:48] <alecu> though I need to talk about it with the boss first
[18:48] <gatox> alecu, ok.... so let me finish with this then and we'll mumble
[18:48] <alecu> gatox, let me know if you need help with the unclean reactor
[18:49] <gatox> alecu, yep... let me try something and if it doesn't work i'll ping you
[18:49] <alecu> gatox, sure
[18:52] <dobey> grr, banshee
[18:57] <gatox> brb........ need to restart
[19:03] <ralsina> I am taking a break for a while, will be back in 1 hour or so. See you all later!
[19:48] <gatox> alecu, do you want to review this branch? it only contains pep8 fixes, doesn't touch any code: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/pep8-fixes/+merge/79438
[19:49] <gatox> nessita, alecu review please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/connect-files/+merge/79611  (launchpad didn't update it yet)
[19:49] <gatox> now is updated
[19:50] <alecu> gatox, looking.
[19:50] <gatox> alecu, now i'm free to mumble when you want
[19:50] <alecu> gatox, I'll trade for this: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-get-token-name/+merge/79594
[19:50] <alecu> gatox, you can do it tomorrow
[19:50] <gatox> alecu, ok :P
[19:50] <alecu> gatox, already on mumble
[19:50] <alecu> gatox, let's see if nessita can join us in the mumble
[19:53] <nessita> alecu: sure!
[19:54] <dobey> brb, gotta run to post office to mail something off, and grab something for snacking
[20:13] <jo-erlend> I've read this post and it seemed to me that it was only the Firefox plugin that was being cancelled, but now people are telling me that there will be no CouchDB sync at all anymore?
[20:23] <alecu> nessita, gatox: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/711304/
[20:25] <nessita> alecu: mumble kicked me
[20:25] <nessita> @ping
[20:25] <ubot4> pong
[20:25] <gatox> nessita, me too
[20:25] <alecu> me too
[20:25] <nessita> mumble died!
[20:25] <alecu> me three
[20:25] <alecu> yay!
[20:25] <gatox> nessita, i can't login again
[20:25] <nessita> run for your life!
[20:26] <gatox> jejej
[20:26] <nessita> neither can I
[20:26] <nessita> ok, so, summary:
[20:26] <nessita> alecu: I was saying: if you could dedicate a couple of mins to evaluate if we (gatox) can implement a multiplatform expanduser
[20:27] <nessita> alecu: we can do some sort of mentoring from you to gatox to guide him how to add this "feature(ish)"
[20:27] <nessita> @ping
[20:27] <ubot4> pong
[20:27] <gatox> nessita, asck
[20:27] <gatox> ack
[20:27] <nessita> alecu, gatox: mumble is back
[20:36] <dobey> blah
[20:37] <dobey> the pretzel store was closed :(
[20:42] <ralsina> howdy again!
[20:46] <nessita> hi ra
[20:47] <nessita> hi ralsina*
[21:41] <dobey> have a good evening all
[21:41] <ralsina> bye dobey!
[21:56]  * nessita -> eod
[21:56] <nessita> pilates time!
[21:56]  * nessita runs


[10:08] <marcoceppi> stub: you around?
[10:44] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: you around?
[19:58] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: am now
[22:56] <stub> marcoceppi: yo


[00:15] <m1r> evening
[01:21] <petafile> I've got a fakeraid issue.  When I'm installing (I''m using the desktop alternate CD, but they told me to ask here)  but when I got to resize the existing ntfs partition on the volumne, it says the device doesn't have a valid ntfs.  Any thoughts?  Vista exists already, and I want to dual boot
[02:19] <ScottK> petafile: What release are you installing?
[03:29] <petafile> 8.10
[03:30] <petafile> I put up a post on ubuntuforums, so It would prbably be good to answer it there to help anyone else with the same issue
[03:58] <ball> hello XFCEntral
[03:58] <XFCEntral> hello ball!
[04:51]  * genii sips
[05:23] <lwizardl> hi
[05:25] <lwizardl> I need some help with setting a hostname it always ends up with servername.gateway.2wire.net and fails loading in a browser
[05:37] <ball> lwizardl: do you own an fqdm?
[05:37] <lwizardl> ?
[05:38] <lwizardl> full domain name?
[05:38] <XFCEntral> fully qualified domain name
[05:38] <lwizardl> yes but not going to be use on this server
[05:38] <lwizardl> I'm trying to setup a test script server only
[05:38] <lwizardl> so only viewable on network (intranet)
[05:40] <ball> lwizardl: what kind of machines are you trying to connect to that server?
[05:41] <lwizardl> just ubuntu with a web browser, and a sftp
[05:41] <ball> Oh okay.
[05:42] <ball> I'd just stick your server, with its IP address in each host's /etc/hosts file then.
[05:42] <XFCEntral> cat /etc/hostname    what does that output?
[05:42] <lwizardl> I plan to have the server as a lamp,
[05:43] <lwizardl> it displays the servername.gateway.2wire.net
[05:44] <XFCEntral> change that to your desired hostname, then /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start
[05:44] <genii> Looks like your upstream appends it's own domain
[05:45] <lwizardl> can the hostname be like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:45] <XFCEntral> im sorry, let me clarify--change your hostname, then issue "/etc/. . ." as a command
[05:45] <lwizardl> ?
[05:46] <XFCEntral> 'name' being the servers name or a user name?
[05:49] <lwizardl> servername
[05:50] <XFCEntral> youd like to visit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in a browser in that format?
[05:50] <XFCEntral> on one of the other machines
[05:51] <XFCEntral> in /etc/hostname you can simply put in the name without the IP
[05:51] <XFCEntral> example: "ubuntu-server"
[05:51] <ball> XFCEntral: would that resort to DNS then?
[05:51] <XFCEntral> i would prefer to put that in /etc/hosts on the remote machine in question, along with the static IP
[05:51] <lwizardl> XFCEntral: thats what i was trying to do before. type http://servername/ in firefox
[05:52] <ball> oh, hostname.
[05:52] <lwizardl> but i always got an error
[05:52] <ball> ...I was thinking of /etc/hosts
[05:52] <ball> lwizardl: yeah, that works for me.
[05:52] <XFCEntral> ball: yeah, i was talking about the file where you declare your hostname in Debian systems
[05:52] <lwizardl> i'm going to ssh into the box and see whats up
[05:52] <XFCEntral> "...hostname"
[05:53] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: on the laptop i use to connect to my machines, i simply name them all in /etc/hosts with their corresponding static IPs. then my browser and SSH understands them by name, for example
[05:53] <lwizardl> ok seems apache2 is failing to load now
[05:54] <genii> probably needs the change in ports.conf to reflect
[05:54] <genii> or alias definitions, etc
[05:56] <ball> I second XFCEntral's suggestion
[05:56] <XFCEntral> ball: thanks, seems to work for me since ive only got a handful of machines to worry about and its only for testing, like in lwizardl's case
[05:57]  * ball nods
[05:57] <ball> Same here, with my small LAN
[05:57] <lwizardl> ok but when i get to the that spot i type in the servername i want i'll use "WS1" for this example
[05:58] <lwizardl> when i get to a spot in the configure it auto has WS1.gateway.2wire.net in the box
[05:58] <lwizardl> i'm following this http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-8.10
[05:58] <ball> lwizardl: configure?  Just use a text editor
[05:59] <lwizardl> on that link i just posted page 2 top is where i set it as WS1
[06:00] <ball> Today must be national "not listening day" or something.  I've got threads going on in three channels where the person just plain isn't listening to what they're told.
[06:00] <XFCEntral> hehe
[06:00] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: you mean you specified your hostname as "WS1" at install?
[06:00] <lwizardl> yes
[06:01] <XFCEntral> well, really if you want to access it at the name "ws1" from a different computer, try editing the file /etc/hosts in the OTHER computer, so it will recognize your server by its new name
[06:01] <lwizardl> and then during the rest of the install it seems to auto become WS1.gateway.2wire.net by itself
[06:02] <dnyy> 'elo
[06:02] <XFCEntral> that may be a different way to refer to it, but the hostname for the machine is in there--WS1
[06:02] <lwizardl> i'm going to try and reinstall the ubuntu server os and when it gets back to that spot i'll post the info here
[06:02] <XFCEntral> really what youd like to have happen is for a remote machine to connect to WS1 using the name WS1, correct?
[06:02] <ball> http://ws1/
[06:03] <ball> (works for me).
[06:03] <lwizardl> ball: yeah thats fine for me
[06:03] <XFCEntral> ball: yes, that. thanks haha
[06:04] <dnyy> I want to install ubuntu server on my laptop, but the ethernet is messed up.  could i install the os, transfer the b43-fwcutter.deb file to it from a usb stick, then install and my wireless works?  or is there more to it than that?
[06:04] <lwizardl> so i'm starting the install again now so I'll be about 20 mins roughly before i start posting stuff
[06:04] <ball> why are you reinstalling?!
[06:04] <lwizardl> its and older compaq ipaq 550mhz 256mb ram 8gb hdd terminal
[06:05] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: what changes are you trying to wipe out by reinstalling all together?
[06:05] <ball> I'm running Xubuntu on a 550 MHz Pentium III with 512 Mbytes RAM
[06:06] <lwizardl> XFCEntral: trying to figure out where it starts to get the 2wire.net thing
[06:06] <XFCEntral> is that your ISP?
[06:07] <lwizardl> yeah
[06:07] <jmarsden> lwizardl: Most likely it gets it from a DHCP request to the ISP.
[06:07] <lwizardl> AT&T U-Verse with a 2wire modem/router
[06:07] <XFCEntral> i see. and you would like your hostname on that machine to _not_ have 2wire.net in it?
[06:08] <lwizardl> yes
[06:08] <jmarsden> So DHCP is coming from the router... can you get into the router and configure its DHCP server?
[06:08] <lwizardl> somethings yeah i think so
[06:08] <lwizardl> but a few things are blocked
[06:09] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: have you tried changing it in the file "/etc/hostname" ? if you change the text contained in that file, it will reflect the new hostname of your machine
[06:09] <lwizardl> ok the hostname i set was "WS1" nothing else and nows its installing the base system @ 6%
[06:09] <ball> I want to set up a separate LAN for experimentation with Ubuntu server, but that'll have to wait until after Christmas
[06:10] <ball> ...hopefully I'll get some 1m patch cables.
[06:10] <XFCEntral> ball: ive got LAN to my ubuntu server and a switch after it, and ive connected to that a couple edubuntu thin clients. its pretty cool
[06:11] <lwizardl> ball: well i'm learning PHP and MySQL so i want a server i can learn on without some script kiddie terrorizing my server from SQL injections becuase of my learning code
[06:11] <jmarsden> lwizardl: Two options; (a) configure the LAN connection as static this time, to avoid the hostname info coming from the router; (b) edit the router DHCP configs to give out the name/domain you want.
[06:12] <lwizardl> jmarsden ok well i hope to post the stuff as i go and get this working
[06:13] <ball> XFCEntral: I'll probably add another NIC to the Ubuntu Server box
[06:13] <lwizardl> i have done this before as a online server using my real domain name but i don't want this machine accessable outside the network
[06:13] <lwizardl> bbiaf
[06:13] <ball> (one for connection to the general LAN (and via that the Internet), one for connection to client hardware.
[06:13] <XFCEntral> ball: its fun stuff! and you have a nice, isolated client-server setup
[06:13] <XFCEntral> thats my christmas break project
[06:13] <jmarsden> lwizardl: Unless you have explicitly deliberately opened ports in the router, it won't be accessible from the outside.  No matter what you name it.
[06:14] <ball> I see enough php at work
[06:14] <ball> ...and I've discovered that I don't like weakly-typed languages.
[06:14] <ball> ...or my employer.
[06:14] <XFCEntral> ball: haha. and perl ftw ;)
[06:14] <jmarsden> ball: So you now write all web apps in Algol68?
[06:15] <ball> I wish!
[06:15] <ball> I like Algol
[06:15] <ball> ...and Pascal
[06:16] <ball> I should probably learn Oberon
[06:16] <ball> ...especially now the semester's over.
[06:16] <jmarsden> Free Algol69 compiler...  http://www.xs4all.nl/~jmvdveer/algol.html    have fun :)
[06:17] <jmarsden> *Algol68
[06:17]  * ball nods
[06:17] <ball> I have one
[06:18]  * jmarsden thinks... my Algol68 class was in... 1982, I think!
[06:19] <ball> I miss being able to run Oberon as a client OS
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> I'm looking for a way to store my address book and task list on a central server, such that Evolution will be in sync all the time on multiple machines.  Is LDAP the appropriate solution for this?
[06:21] <XFCEntral> LDAP should take care of the contact list
[06:22] <ball> Oh yeah, I need to find some Palm software for Linux too.
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> XFCEntral: Is it totally overkill for a single user though?
[06:22] <XFCEntral> ball: the website for access has some new developer resources. looking for an emulator?
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> It looks like the tasks can be saved too, through a webcal:// address, which I don't entirely understand, but is promising.
[06:23] <XFCEntral> tonyyarusso: i would lean towards yes, but if you have multiple machines and really want to share the same address book, you sure could give it a go. might be a nice exercise, the way id see it
[06:24] <ball> XFCEntral: just something I can type notes and perhaps calendar events into and then sync that against the physical PDA
[06:24] <XFCEntral> ball: i have gnome-pilot to handle sync and configuration, and it works well with Evolution
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> XFCEntral: That's a fair point.  I am looking to do system administration for a living, so LDAP would be a good thing to know.
[06:24] <XFCEntral> for both my T|X and Centro, but i only sync the Centro now
[06:25] <ball> I won't know what Evolution is.
[06:25] <XFCEntral> tonyyarusso: you and i are like-minded then :)
[06:25] <jmarsden> ball: You could try running Native Oberon in a VM?  networking would probably need hacking, but the rest might even work?
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> XFCEntral: Do you know offhand of any web client type things that I could set up for accessing it away from home too?
[06:25] <XFCEntral> ball: its the big PIM for email, contacts, tasks, memos that comes with GNOME installations of Ubuntu, and Fedora. its a Novell app. you might find its a lot like the Palm OS PIM desktop software
[06:26] <ball> jmarsden: I don't have a machine powerful enough for virtual machines.
[06:26] <TimReichhart> hi guys could anybody help me set up SSL certs for my domains
[06:26] <jmarsden> OK... well, try Native Oberon ... natively on a spare older PC...?
[06:27] <TimReichhart> i got 2 domains i need SSL on
[06:27] <TimReichhart> both are using vitural hosting
[06:27] <ball> jmarsden: that's an option.
[06:27] <ball> I used to have a Native Oberon partition, but that fell by the wayside.
[06:27] <XFCEntral> tonyyarusso: if you want to access that central server, you will probably need to first assign it a static private address "192.168.1... etc" and then configure your router to forward port 22 to that machines address. if you, from a remote location, ssh to your home's internet-facing IP it should forward to the machine. using SSH you can do all your maintenance. am i right everyone? dont want to give out false info
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> I suppose egroupware would work.  Again, overkill, but hey.
[06:28] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: There are many web pages describing that.  One is at http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> XFCEntral: The LDAP server will run on a VPS in a remote datacenter, with both a static IP and a domain name.  (Linode-hosted)
[06:29] <TimReichhart> but my question is how would I do it for 2 different domains with virtual hosting?
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> XFCEntral: I'm basically just looking for a nice way to look up an e-mail address in a web browser in addition to Evo's access.
[06:29] <XFCEntral> tonyyarusso: im sorry, i misunderstood what you asked before :( heh
[06:29] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: You need 2IPs , or you can run SSL for one of them on a non-standard port.
[06:30] <TimReichhart> ok how would i do that jmarsden?
[06:30] <XFCEntral> tonyyarusso: so you'd like a web client to browse the LDAP list?
[06:30] <jmarsden> Do which?  You ask your provider for a second public Ip on the sever you are using...!
[06:30] <TimReichhart> bc the domain names are working just right because I am using OScommerce on both of my sites
[06:31] <TimReichhart> I cant do that I would have to get a second line ran and its going to cost me $$$ for second line
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> XFCEntral: Correct.  It looks like egroupware would actually be the way to go, from what I can see in apt-cache.
[06:31] <TimReichhart> I got FTTH
[06:31] <jmarsden> No, you can have multiple IP addresses on on connection ;)
[06:32] <TimReichhart> not with my ISP told me
[06:32] <XFCEntral> tonyyarusso: theres also phpLDAPadmin, but if egroupware fits the bill, by all means
[06:32] <jmarsden> It's a business FIOS setup or similar, right?
[06:32] <TimReichhart> no I dont have FIOS
[06:32] <TimReichhart> its FTTH
[06:32] <ball> nice
[06:32] <TimReichhart> with one line coming from outside box coming into my apt
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> I've been meaning to ask about that too jmarsden - whenever I activate more than one NIC on my machine it seems to start being unreliable connection-wise.  I know I could set them up as bonded, with on IP over multiple interfaces, but I thought they'd be smart enough to work as is.
[06:33] <jmarsden> One fiver can carry many many many IP addresses, your provider is misbehaving.
[06:33] <TimReichhart> and plus im behind a router
[06:33] <jmarsden> tonyyarusso: Multiple NICs on the same subnet?  Bad idea.  Multipel NICs, each on a separate subnet, works fine.
[06:34] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: Yes, the router can route multiple IPs too, if it is a decent router... that is what routers do, they route.
[06:34] <lwizardl> ok server finished installing
[06:34] <TimReichhart> well im getting ready to install smoothwall
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> jmarsden: ah, I see.  Yeah, the long-term goal was to use them for practicing routing stuff, but for the moment I thought I'd use it just for faster transfers.
[06:34] <TimReichhart> for my router
[06:34] <TimReichhart> but as of right now i am using a linksys wired router
[06:34] <lwizardl> i didn't select anything from the installer menu i'm going to do that all my terminal
[06:35] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: But If you really want to use a non-standard port, you can just hack on the apache config for one of the virthosts and adda a Listen 444 directove or whatever so your httpd listens on another port
[06:35] <TimReichhart> can you please show me how to do that jmarsden
[06:36] <jmarsden> It's your server, you need to know enough about it not to just copy commadns I throw at you into a config file... have you ever lokekd at and edited an Apache config file before?
[06:36] <TimReichhart> no i have not
[06:37] <TimReichhart> i just know how to do virtual hosting and installing and updating the server
[06:37] <jmarsden> So how did you create the virtual hosts?  You had to add VirtualHost directives toyour apache config, right?
[06:38] <TimReichhart> i used webmin to do the virtual setup
[06:38] <jmarsden> OK.  You will need to read /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and related files under there...
[06:40] <jmarsden> Documentation is under http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ and also in the apache2-doc Ubuntu package .
[06:40] <jmarsden> Webmin is a ncie timesaver, but no substitute for understanding what is happening underneath.
[06:41] <TimReichhart> true
[06:41] <TimReichhart> so I would have to add it to the ports then correct
[06:41] <TimReichhart> from what I was reading from apache confg
[06:42] <TimReichhart> i already got the ports listed as 443,444
[06:42] <TimReichhart> could i do this https://secure.domain1.com:444 or not
[06:42] <jmarsden> Once you haev read the docs and the config files a bit, you'll see that you can use a Listen 444 directive to start listening on that port.
[06:42] <TimReichhart> or can i just have to https://secure.domain.com then it will listen on 444
[06:43] <jmarsden> Then you can edit the virtual host stuff for one of your virtual hosts (probably under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ on Ubuntu) to use 444 rather than 443.
[06:43] <jmarsden> No, https://example.com  would go to 443, you need to use https://example.com:444 to go there.
[06:43] <jmarsden> Sorry, that's what you said...
[06:44] <TimReichhart> there is probley no way to hide that https://domain.com:444
[06:44] <lwizardl>  /clear
[06:44] <jmarsden> Well... get a second static IP and use port 443 :-)
[06:45] <TimReichhart> ok
[06:45] <TimReichhart> thanks for your help
[06:45] <lwizardl> ok doing the updates on the machine after enabling the new sources and then i'm going to install the ssh and openssh-server and then its time to start back on the server configure
[06:45] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: No problem.
[06:50] <ball> Hmm... that's a difference between this desktop and the one on the console: the console has the "update" button
[06:52] <lwizardl> ok question
[06:53] <ball> fire away
[06:53] <lwizardl> when setting a static ip in the interfaces file whats the network one for?
[06:53] <lwizardl> the example i have is <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:54]  * ball raises an eyebrow
[06:54] <ball> in what context?
[06:55] <ball> oh, interfaces file
[06:55] <lwizardl>         address <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:55] <lwizardl>         netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:55] <lwizardl>         network <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:55] <lwizardl>         broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:55] <lwizardl>         gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:55] <ball> let me check
[06:55] <XFCEntral> ball: he's setting his eth0 interface configuration
[06:55] <lwizardl> XFCEntral: yes
[06:55] <ball> that's a bit strange
[06:55] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: whats your IP range? 192.168.1.X?
[06:55] <lwizardl> thats what the guide has for his example
[06:55] <lwizardl> XFCEntral: yes
[06:55] <XFCEntral> i believe you will use <IP_ADDRESS> then
[06:55] <lwizardl> <IP_ADDRESS>-255 iirc
[06:55] <XFCEntral> ball: would that be right in his case?
[06:56] <ball> Sounds reasonable, with a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:56] <lwizardl> yeah thats what i have
[06:56] <XFCEntral> ball: mhm
[06:57] <lwizardl> and my gateway set but just wasn't sure on the network
[06:57] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:58] <ball> most likely.
[06:58] <XFCEntral> yes
[07:00] <ball> Well, it's my bed time, but I want to stay up and talk about networking
[07:00] <XFCEntral> ball: dont blame ya
[07:00] <ball> Oh, there's ##net too btw.
[07:00] <ball> fork's stopped coughing... I need to just check that she's still breathing.
[07:01] <lwizardl> ok seems that works i can ping my real colo server from this box so network is working with new settings
[07:01] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: thats good news
[07:02] <lwizardl> ok in my hosts file it gae it the 2wire.net thing again
[07:02] <ball> That reminds me, I need to tell my router about cumine's MAC address
[07:02] <lwizardl> so i can just remove that and leave my servername?
[07:02] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: you can replace that with the name you would like instead
[07:03] <lwizardl> ok because currently i have this
[07:03] <lwizardl> <IP_ADDRESS>     WS1.gateway.2wire.net     WS1
[07:04] <XFCEntral> that looks alright to me
[07:04] <lwizardl> so I would make it <IP_ADDRESS>     WS1     WS1
[07:04] <lwizardl> ?
[07:04] <XFCEntral> similar to the example on howtoforge
[07:05] <lwizardl> right but that guide lists server1.example.com which this server won't have a true domainname
[07:06] <XFCEntral> my server's hosts file looks like that
[07:06] <XFCEntral> ubuntu-server.mylitestream.com        ubuntu-server
[07:07] <lwizardl> so would WS1.localhost work?
[07:07] <ball> No
[07:07] <ball> that's just silly.
[07:07] <XFCEntral> you could say localhost, if youre on that machine
[07:07] <XFCEntral> but not both
[07:08] <lwizardl> ok because I want to access it from any machine on the network from like http://WS1/
[07:08] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: let me ask you this, where would you like to type this name, in order to access the server. whats the issue?
[07:08] <XFCEntral> oh okay
[07:09] <XFCEntral> well in order to do so, on your REMOTE machine not WS1, you could add <IP_ADDRESS>     WS1             to the /etc/hosts file on that machine
[07:10] <ball> Didn't I suggest that an hour ago?
[07:10] <XFCEntral> the issue is not so much the /etc/hosts file of the WS1 machine, but the others
[07:10] <XFCEntral> ball:yes... trying. haha
[07:10] <lwizardl> i plan to have this mainly for testing if my php scripts work without worrying about sql injectors while i'm learning PHP and MySQL
[07:10] <lwizardl> ok
[07:11]  * ball nods
[07:11] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: yes, but if you would like to access that server from another computer, you must change its hosts file too
[07:11] <lwizardl> so then i can leave the server as WS1.gateway.2wire.net
[07:11] <ball> I use php against DB2
[07:11] <ball> Would prefer to learn a new language and perhaps ProgresSql
[07:12] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: your /etc/hosts file is OK on WS1. nothing wrong. you will need to add the IP and name you want, in OTHER /etc/hosts files. this way, they can know what you mean when you direct your browser to http://ws1/
[07:12] <TimReichhart> ok jmarsden from what this guy was telling me on StartSSL you can do multiple ssl's on 1 ip: http://forum.startcom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1534&sid=46ad87363a9ab93c018020c2650c319d
[07:12] <lwizardl> XFCEntral: ok so any machine i want to see that server i need to add the setting to their hostfile
[07:13] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: if you wish to use the name http://ws1/ instead of typing out http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[07:14] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: Looks like they are building some weird certificate that has both hostnames in it... which sounds liek it might work, but I have no idea how to create such certificates using openssl on Ubuntu.
[07:14] <lwizardl> ok the static ip is also ok
[07:14] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: yes, your static IP setup seems to work perfectly
[07:15] <TimReichhart> then it looks like I am going to have hire this person to it for me
[07:15] <ball> Can't focus... going to bed
[07:15] <jmarsden> TimReichhart:  You could.  This approach may also be hard to scale.. how do you add a 3rd virtual host, for example... and a 4th... etc.
[07:15] <XFCEntral> ball: take care
[07:15] <ball> You too.
[07:16] <TimReichhart> but jmarsden how would that work?
[07:17] <jmarsden> TimReichhart: I don't know.  The answer I gave you is the one I learned when I aksed your questions a few years ago, and I use multiple non-standard ports myself on servers I admin.  The way they scribe is new to me, so I can't really say how it works.
[07:17] <TimReichhart> k
[07:17] <lwizardl> how do i clear my rsa keys file
[07:18] <jmarsden> lwizardl: edit it with a text editor and delete the lines you don't want, usually.
[07:18] <lwizardl> ok where the file at?
[07:19] <jmarsden> Which file are you talking about?  I was thinking of ~/.ssh/known_hosts
[07:19] <jmarsden> Butyou also have RSA host keys, or could have, on a server, under /etc/ssh/
[07:20] <lwizardl> thanks
[07:20] <jmarsden> No problem.
[07:21] <XFCEntral> lwizardl: should be /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[07:22] <XFCEntral> sound right to you, jmarsden?
[07:22] <jmarsden> XFCEntral: That is an RSA key file, one key.  He asked for am rsa *keys* file, plural...
[07:22] <jmarsden> So it could be that one or it could be ~/ssh/known_hosts
[07:23] <lwizardl> yeah its was the known hosts
[07:23]  * jmarsden is glad he spotted that trailing 's' ;)
[07:24] <XFCEntral> jmarsden: sorry about that...
[07:24] <jmarsden> No worries.
[07:35] <TimReichhart> so jmarsden if i do that non standard port would I get any errors or not
[07:36] <jmarsden> You shouldn't see any errors, if you configure everything right, and if the customer is willing to use https://example.com:444 type URLs.
[07:36] <TimReichhart> that is my main thought right now
[07:36] <TimReichhart> well I know when you setup the OScommerce it ask for the https address
[07:36] <jmarsden> I do it that way and have for some time.  No known errors caused by the multiple port approach.
[07:37] <TimReichhart> bc i was thinking about doing this https://secure.cbcperformance.net:444
[07:37] <jmarsden> You might have to tweak any web apps you use... again, this comes back to knowing what is going on underneath and not relying on nice pretty GUIs to do your setup and configuration for you :)
[07:38] <TimReichhart> can i make a subdomain secure?
[07:38] <jmarsden> Yes, just like another other FQDN.
[07:38] <jmarsden> You could secure a site called https://a.b.c.d.e.f.g.sily.example.net if you wanted to have sub-sub-sub... domains :)
[07:39] <TimReichhart> see right now I got the wildcard or I should say *
[07:39] <TimReichhart> all my virtual host is set up as vitrual host *
[07:40] <TimReichhart> i mean like this <VirtualHost *:80>
[07:40] <jmarsden> RIght.  So for one you now need <VirtualHost *:443>  and for the other you need <VirtualHost *:444>
[07:40] <TimReichhart> alright
[07:41] <TimReichhart> would I put that information in the same area as my config for port 80
[07:41] <jmarsden> Probably not, on Ubuntu, it beraks up the httpd config stuff into multiple files.
[07:42] <TimReichhart> so i cant have it into my jbodyconnection.com.conf setup then
[07:42] <jmarsden> The per-virtualhost stuff seems to go under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and the per-server gloabl stuff is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf I think.
[07:42] <jmarsden> You put a config line saying    "Port 80"  into a virtuahost?
[07:43] <jmarsden> That would be odd, to me at least.
[07:44] <TimReichhart> here is how i got my virtual host setup <VirtualHost *:80>
[07:44] <TimReichhart> ServerName jbodyconnection.com
[07:44] <TimReichhart> DocumentRoot /var/www/jbodyconnection/cart/catalog
  under /etc/apache2/sites-available/jbodyconnection.com.conf
[07:44] <jmarsden> You can put the SSL vhost stuff in the same file as another related non-SSL vhost, sure
[07:44] <jmarsden> Sure, you can add another whole chunk of <VirtualHost *:444> ... stuff ... </VirtualHost? in that file.
[07:45] <TimReichhart> ok just making sure
[07:45] <jmarsden> I need to go to bed... but I think you're on your way... have fun :)
[07:45] <TimReichhart> thanks jmarsden
[07:45] <jmarsden> No problem.
[07:56] <TimReichhart> anybody know how to setup the vpn server on ubuntu
[11:34] <selinuxium> hi there everyone. I has installed LAMP on my laptop to test, i can see apache running as www-data via  ps -aef|grep apache. I wouldlike to add my user to the ww-data group but I cannot see it in the Users and Groups GUI... Is this normal?
[11:34] <Nafallo> yes. you are not supposed to add users to that group.
[11:41] <selinuxium> hi Nafallo,  what would be the right way of editting files in the www folder??
[11:42] <Nafallo> I added a group for that, chgrp -R on the folders needed and chmod -R g+w and added my users to that group.
[11:42] <Nafallo> not sure if it's correct, but that's how I did it.
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> super user typically. users can use their public_html if they want easy to edit sites
[11:47] <selinuxium> ok, i think I get it.. previously I believe I added myself to the www-data group...
[13:38]  * delcoyote hi
[16:43] <axisys> how do I get ipmitool to work? I get this http://pastebin.com/f5aea744d
[18:22] <selinuxium> hi all   o/
[18:22] <zxq> o/
[18:25] <selinuxium> question about mod_rewrite... I have installed LAMP and enabled mod_rewrite but i have a virtual host doc root as /home/user/Desktop/www/site and the site cannot see that mod_rewrite is available, even though a phpinfo() shows it available from the site root...  Any ideas?
[18:49] <zxq> wish i could help you out with that... bit of a newbie here. Wish you luck though.
[23:49] <ClaesBas> I found the problem! vmbuilder don't handle building partions mounted above other! for ex. /var and /var/log as separate partions .....
[23:50] <ClaesBas> Ooops wrong channel.... (I've got to go to bed now....)
[23:50] <zxq> lol