[00:04] <pgquiles> maxb: I was still around. debootstrap --variant=buildd, then running the root/bootstrap script almost gets it. I needed to modify the script to add 'universe' to etc/apt/sources.list and to create user and group buildd. I'm still missing 3-4 .conf files but I'll continue tomorrow. I've e-mailed lamont my findings and waiting for his answer.
[00:06] <wgrant> pgquiles: LP will override sources.list; you shouldn't need to add anything to it.
[00:06] <maxb> pgquiles: thanks. looking forward to what you hear
[00:08] <pgquiles> wgrant: I only needed to add that to the bootstrap script for installing policyrd-script-zg2, which is in universe. The bootstrap script removes 'universe' after that (that was already in the script, I'm guessing there is some other script I'm missing)
[00:11] <wgrant> pgquiles: Ah, I see.
[00:12] <pgquiles> wgrant: my modified bootstrap: http://www.elpauer.org/tmp/bootstrap
[00:13] <wgrant> pgquiles: You can probably give deboostrap an argument to do that for you.
[00:15] <pgquiles> mmm maybe --components=universe, I'll try tomorrow
[00:16] <pgquiles> now really off to bed :-)
[02:49]  * thumper needs JS help
[02:49] <thumper> rockstar: ping?
[02:49] <thumper> mars: ping?
[02:50] <thumper> ProtocolErrorException: Protocol error: 405
[02:50] <thumper> WTF?
[02:50] <thumper> anyone got any clues?
[02:50] <thumper> it is an XMLHTTPRequest
[02:51] <cody-somerville> Method not allowed
[02:52] <thumper> but why?
[02:52] <thumper> it is going from bugs.launchpad.dev -> code.launchpad.dev
[02:52] <thumper> is that allowed?
[02:53] <thumper> if not, I'm going to have to reconsider an approach
[02:53] <cody-somerville> did you use put or post?
[02:53] <thumper> GET
[02:53] <thumper> ah
[02:53] <thumper> no
[02:53] <thumper> WTF?
[02:53] <thumper> OPTIONS
[02:54] <thumper> why is it asking for options?
[02:54] <thumper> dumb yui
[02:55] <thumper> tracing NET with firebug causes firefox to hang for ages on each refresh for me
[02:55] <thumper> :(
[02:57] <ajmitch> bugs.launchpad.dev -> code.launchpad.dev might be considered cross-domain & forbidden, I'm not sure on the rules for how that is set
[02:58] <cody-somerville> yui should provide a way around that
[02:58]  * thumper sighs
[02:58] <wgrant> That counts as cross-domain.
[02:59] <wgrant> You cannot work around it.
[02:59] <wgrant> But why are you wanting to do that? The API is the same on all vhosts.
[02:59] <thumper> wgrant: I was just fetching an URL
[03:00] <thumper> wgrant: obviously I need to change that
[03:00] <thumper> :(
[03:00] <thumper> clucking bell
[03:00] <wgrant> What are you trying to do?
[03:00] <thumper> wgrant: show more details about the merge proposal on the bugs page
[03:00] <thumper> which includes a link to the diff
[03:01] <thumper> which will popup on the bugs page
[03:01] <thumper> got it working on branches
[03:01] <wgrant> Ah, I see.
[03:01] <thumper> it just uses Y.io
[03:01] <thumper> but doesn't work cross-domain
[03:02] <thumper> also
[03:02] <thumper> I really wanted some custom tags
[03:02] <thumper> but that is HTML5
[03:02] <thumper> well, custom attributes that is
[03:02] <thumper> beuno: I can haz HTML5 plz
[03:03] <cody-somerville> thumper, http://developer.yahoo.com/javascript/howto-proxy.html
[03:04] <cody-somerville> cross-domain is easy to work around using a server side proxy
[03:04] <wgrant> But that is crazy.
[03:04] <cody-somerville> no its not
[03:04] <cody-somerville> its the accepted best practice
[03:04] <thumper> cody-somerville: I think the API is the way to go in this case
[03:04] <cody-somerville> almost all javascript libraries come with support for it
[03:05] <wgrant> In this case the target is controlled by thumper too.
[03:05] <wgrant> So proxying it is just foul and ugly.
[03:07]  * cody-somerville agrees.
[03:08] <cody-somerville> wgrant, are you using ec2 btw?
[03:08]  * cody-somerville is in the process of signing up.
[03:11] <wgrant> cody-somerville: I've only used it a few times.
[03:11] <wgrant> Stuffing around + a couple of ec2tests.
[03:13] <ajmitch> how much does it cost to run through the test suite?
[03:13] <wgrant> A couple of dollars, I'd say.
[03:14] <cody-somerville> really?
[03:14] <cody-somerville> how long does it take to run?
[03:14] <wgrant> 3 or 4 hours on a high-CPU instance.
[03:14] <wgrant> IIRC.
[03:14] <wgrant> Or was it 2.5 hours.
[03:14] <wgrant> I don't remember.
[03:25] <thumper> can anyone recommend a good recursive diff?
[03:25] <thumper> for comparing trees
[03:25] <thumper> nm
[03:25] <wgrant> diff -r?
[03:27] <cody-somerville> hmm... I get ImportError: No module named _pythonpath when I try to run ec2 test
[03:27] <thumper> damn
[03:27] <thumper> must be friday
[03:28] <ajmitch> friday & nearly beer o'clock
[03:28] <cody-somerville> Its only Thursday here :(
[03:32]  * thumper wants to put his fist through the laptop right now
[03:56] <thumper> how do you get an attribute of an object using the xhtml representation?
[03:59] <wgrant> I doubt that you can; the XHTML representation is meant to be customised.
[04:04] <thumper> wgrant: yeah, I'm emailing the dev list
[04:04] <thumper> I think it is possible, I just don't know how
[04:07] <thumper> email sent
[04:07] <thumper> beer o'clock
[04:09] <ajmitch> the magic words have been spoken
[04:50] <jml> hey
[04:50] <jml> my patch got rejected because we are in testfix mode
[04:50] <jml> wtf
[08:58] <adeuring> good morning
[09:10] <mwhudson> bigjools: gee thanks :)
[09:10] <bigjools> mwhudson: don't mention it :)
[09:10]  * bigjools notices it's Friday 13th
[09:27] <poolie> hello jml!
[09:27] <poolie> i've already run rocketfuel-setup on this machine
[09:27] <jml> poolie, oh
[09:27] <poolie> so i don't know if this is a good test
[09:28] <jml> poolie, hmm.
[09:28] <jml> poolie, thanks.
[09:28]  * jml has to re-do the whole thing anyway
[09:35] <wgrant> jml: Which technique did you end up going with?
[09:41] <jml> wgrant, a tarball with the repo, sourcecode and download-cache
[09:41] <jml> wgrant, the downside is that it requires 250MB-300MB of package data.
[09:42] <wgrant> jml: Either tar up /var/cache/apt/archives, or call apt-get with '-o Apt::Install-Recommends=no'
[09:42] <wgrant> jml: By excluding Recommends, you omit TeX and lots of other big stuff.
[09:43] <jml> wgrant, if I did archives, people would just copy stuff off the USB stick to their archives/ dir?
[09:43] <wgrant> jml: Correct. apt will see it there and use it.
[09:44] <jml> wgrant, will the relevant packages still be on my machine?
[09:44] <jml> I installed LP an awfully long time ago
[09:44] <wgrant> jml: Probably not. Best to do it in a chroot, anyway.
[09:48] <jml> or maybe I'll just rely on there being a mirror at UDS
[09:48] <jml> hmm.
[09:48] <wgrant> Possibly.
[09:48] <wgrant> But who knows how bad it will be this time.
[09:49] <jml> I admire your cynicism.
[09:49] <jml> the thing is I'll need 64 & 32 bit packages anyway.
[09:50] <mwhudson> start at http://archive.ubuntu.com and get clicking
[09:51] <jml> :(
[09:51] <wgrant> jml: Without recommends, it needs only ~100MB.
[09:51] <mwhudson> wgrant: how likely do you think it is we actually depend on a recommend ?
[09:51] <jml> wgrant, ok. I'll patch rocketfuel-setup to do that
[09:52] <wgrant> mwhudson: Not at all. I run without them.
[09:52] <mwhudson> wgrant: oh good
[09:54] <wgrant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/317645/ is the list of skipped packages. Only questionable things there are pyflakes and python-docutils, and the former is definitely optional.
[09:54] <wgrant> And I'm not sure the latter is used at all.
[09:55] <mwhudson> pyflakes is used by 'make lint' i guess
[09:55] <mwhudson> docutils, hm
[09:56]  * wgrant removes it and tries.
[09:58] <mwhudson> it's in versions.cfg
[09:58] <mwhudson> though heavens knows why
[09:58] <wgrant> Ah, yes, it's an egg.
[09:58] <mwhudson> and scripts/_ginalog.py but well
[09:58] <wgrant> So we don't need the package.
[09:58] <mwhudson> oh right yes
[09:59] <mwhudson> we also don't need the egg i would guess
[09:59] <wgrant> WTF is ginalog!?
[09:59]  * wgrant greps.
[10:00] <mwhudson> oh right docutils is used in generating the apidocs
[10:02] <jml> which is obviously a critical thing to build in every single branch
[10:07] <mwhudson> clearly
[10:15] <pgquiles> I am supposed to create my own production configuration, disabling devmode, etc, right? or is there a make run_all_production I'm not seeing?
[10:49] <jml> hello
[10:49] <jml> I have fixed the test failure.
[10:59] <stub> jml: It hasn't got to buildbot yet
[11:00] <wgrant> Does a testfix immediately revert the testfix state, or must buildbot run the test suite first?
[11:00]  * jml doesn't know
[11:01] <mwhudson> something in between
[11:01] <stub> I believe it reverts immediately
[11:01] <mwhudson> it reverts when buildbot-poll sees the change
[11:01] <mwhudson> and it runs out of a */5 cron i think
[11:01] <mwhudson> this is explained https://dev.launchpad.net/Trunk/Glue
[11:02] <stub> Ahh... its still with pqm
[11:37] <mrevell> hi
[12:22] <sinzui> danilos: ping
[12:23] <danilos> sinzui, hi
[12:23] <sinzui> danilos: I am looking at https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/db_lp/builds/244/steps/shell_7/logs/summary I cannot reproduce this failure on my system or in ec2.
[12:23] <sinzui> danilos: The failing line was
[12:23] <sinzui>         self.assertEqual(
[12:23] <sinzui>             self._getReviewables(no_older_than=self.base_time), [self.pofile]
[12:24] <danilos> sinzui, let me take a look in the test
[12:24] <sinzui> danilos: ^ What do you think, Could this be a time issue in the test suite?
[12:25] <danilos> sinzui, it could be, but I believe the times used in the test are in days, so highly unlikely, let me check
[12:31] <sinzui> danilos: I am inclined to force a build. I think the failure is spurious. I am not sure in this case though if I should disable the test. I wonder if the issue was really somewhere else in the suite.
[12:31] <danilos> sinzui, actually, it doesn't, it uses one millisecond, but I don't see how/why this should fail anyway... it writes the dates directly as two values where one is base_time + timedelta(0,0,1)
[12:32] <sinzui> Can I change it to an hour?
[12:36] <danilos> sinzui, sure
[12:36] <sinzui> danilos: I changed the test to an hour
[12:36] <sinzui>     later_time = self.base_time + timedelta(0, 3600)
[12:36] <sinzui> and it still passes. I want to land this change
[12:37] <danilos> sinzui, I suspect this is more likely related to commits than time resolution, but if you see further problems with it, please file a bug and I'll look into it shortly
[12:38] <sinzui> I doubt there will be further problems.
[13:28] <mwhudson> allenap: i will reply to your your reply to my mail
[13:28] <mwhudson> allenap: but not for a little while :/
[13:29] <allenap> mwhudson: Thanks, I look forward to it :)
[15:07] <mars> mrevell, ping
[15:08] <mrevell> hi mars
[15:08] <mars> hi mrevell, just looking at the styling issue
[15:08] <mrevell> ah yes
[15:08] <mars> here, I'll send you a screenshot from my system
[15:13] <mars> BjornT_, ping, looking at mrevell's popup help styling issue.  Looks like the YUI folder is not being linked in devel?
[15:13] <mars> BjornT_, visit https://edge.launchpad.net/+help/openpgp-keys.html, check the CSS stylesheets - they are returning 404s
[15:14] <mars> so, what landed on devel to cause that...
[15:17] <mars> BjornT_, I suspect it broke recently: my yui-3final-upgrade branch is styled properly, so either a) it broke last night, since I pulled from trunk, or b) it broke in devel a while ago, and my branch fixes it
[15:40] <pgquiles> maxb: wrt chroots, more or less answered in #debian-devel
[15:42] <mars> BjornT_, looks like the CSS URLs were broken before the sprint.  Your build system changes maybe?
[16:20] <BjornT_> mars: maybe. could be that the 'current' symlink didn't get included with my changes
[16:20] <BjornT_> mars: a quick fix would be to change the css link to point to 3.0.0pr2 instead of current, which probably makes sense anyway
[16:21] <BjornT_> mars: this url works: https://edge.launchpad.net/+icing/yui/3.0.0pr2/build/cssreset/reset.css
[16:22] <mars> BjornT_, ok.  I'll see if I can identify where the CSS URL is generated
[16:22] <mars> and change it
[16:38] <BjornT_> mars: hmm, might be some other problem. i merged in the latest yui-3final-upgrade and lazr-js trunk into my branches, and i get similar errors for js files
[16:39] <mars> BjornT_, oh?  I tried my branch here, and the style links were fine. Could be an earlier build artifact though
[16:40] <BjornT_> mars: could be a lazr-js change then. are you using latest trunk?
[16:40] <mars> BjornT_, I tried it with the latest trunk, and it was broken.  I also tried it with trunk/ from last Friday, still broken.
[16:42] <BjornT_> mars: oh wait, looks like i'm using an old egg, and not my dev egg...
[16:43] <BjornT_> mars: that's a bug in the build system. bin/jsbuild doesn't update symlinks. it only checks whether there is a symlink, not that it's pointing to the right location
[16:44] <mars> BjornT_, should 'make clean' or 'make clean_js' handle that then?
[16:45] <BjornT_> mars: wel, make clean should remove the build directory, but bin/jsbuild should be able to update an existing build dir
[16:46] <mars> BjornT_, check the upgrade diff, line 40: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/317110/
[16:46] <mars> BjornT_, that could be extended.  'make clean' calls 'make clean_js' as well.
[16:48] <mars> I actually wish that target was called 'jsclean', not 'clean_js', but we already have a 'clean_code' target in there.
[16:49] <BjornT_> mars: right, the Makefile changes look good
[16:50] <BjornT_> mars: bin/jsbuild should still be fixed, though, since people usually doesn't do 'make clean'
[16:51] <mars> BjornT_, good point
[16:51] <mars> you know, if we had a 'make update' target that did run 'make clean' for you... :D
[16:53] <BjornT_> mars: i only run 'make' and 'make run', and i wouldn't want any of them to automatically run 'make clean' :)
[16:54] <mars> BjornT_, why not?  If 'make clean' does the right thing, then it should only clean up generated build artifacts.  Nothing you hand-edited should be affected.
[16:57] <BjornT_> mars: run. but i see you don't build lp often :) it takes a long time building after a 'make clean'...
[16:57] <mars> that is true
[17:08] <Ursinha> hi sinzui, I'm trying to go to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/startup-manager/trunk/+addbranch and am getting a similar oops as the one when trying to subscribe to bugmail
[17:10] <Ursinha> sinzui, is the problem related? https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1410G2138
[17:10] <sinzui> I am not certain
[17:11] <sinzui> Ursinha: I am logged in so I should not see the message
[17:11] <sinzui> Ursinha: how did you get to the link? I do not see it
[17:12] <Ursinha> sinzui, https://edge.launchpad.net/startup-manager/trunk, click on Submit code
[17:12] <sinzui> Launchpad is crack for showing overview pages on the code hsot
[17:12] <sinzui> ah, from the involvement menu
[17:12] <sinzui> That is very difference
[17:13] <sinzui> The error is true. you submit code to a project, not a series.
[17:13] <sinzui> That is why we are seeing a 404
[17:15] <Ursinha> sinzui, bug 482256
[17:15] <mup> Bug #482256: 'Submit code' OOPSes in the project series overview page <oops> <Launchpad Registry:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/482256>
[18:01] <mrevell> Okay, night all. See you in Dallas if you're gonna be there.
[19:17] <Ursinha> hey rockstar, are you there?
[19:53] <rockstar> Ursinha, hi
[20:00] <rockstar> Ursinha, what's up?
[20:00] <Ursinha> rockstar, I'm trying to remember :)
[20:00] <rockstar> Ursinha, okay.  Well, we're back from lunch, but deryck and I are going to pair for a bit, so I may have to ignore you.
[20:27] <EdwinGrubbs2> mars: ping
[20:28] <mars> hi EdwinGrubbs2
[20:28] <thumper> rockstar: you around?
[20:28] <rockstar> thumper, I am.
[20:29] <thumper> rockstar: I emailed my javascript frustrations to launchpad-dev
[20:29] <rockstar> thumper, yes, I read it.
[20:29]  * mars has not gotten to it yet :(
[20:29] <thumper> rockstar: intellectronica answered some, but didn't really tell me much new (except the hidden <a> which I'll probably use)
[20:29] <thumper> rockstar: 2 remaining items
[20:30] <intellectronica> thumper: what else is still unclear?
[20:30] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: I've been working on getting some lazr-js tests pass in IE. hasAttribute('tabIndex') always returns true in IE, but getAttribute('tabIndex') returns 32768, so I'm thinking of changing the test to pass if one of those is correct. Do you have any better ideas?
[20:30] <thumper> rockstar: *how* to I use LP lib to get the preview_diff attribute of the MP as xhtml?
[20:30] <thumper> rockstar, intellectronica: and why does the diff look different in the popup vs in-page
[20:30] <rockstar> thumper, intellectronica can probably help there.  I don't think that interface is flexible enough for what I need, so I haven't used it.
[20:31] <salgado> thumper, accept: LP.client.XHTML in the config
[20:31] <intellectronica> thumper: when you make a request using the lp client, pass `accept: LP.client.XHTML` as part of the configuration object
[20:31] <rockstar> thumper, flacoste has drafted a new proposal that's less restful but more practical, which would then help.
[20:31] <thumper> intellectronica: is there an example of attribute access using xhtml in the bugs JS somewhere?
[20:31] <rockstar> thumper, wait, why do you want to get the preview_diff HTML through the API?
[20:32] <intellectronica> thumper: yes, look at bugtask-index.js, for example
[20:32] <thumper> rockstar: because you can't it the code.lp.net from the bugs.lp.net page
[20:32] <thumper> rockstar: it won't let you
[20:32] <thumper> I don't know why
[20:32] <thumper> it is not posting, just getting
[20:32] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, nope, sounds like a fun IE bug.  Have you considered using .get('tabIndex')?  They may have normalized the return value in the YUI code
[20:32] <rockstar> thumper, bugger.
[20:32] <thumper> rockstar: yes
[20:32] <thumper> ok,
[20:33] <thumper> that just leaves the last point
[20:33] <thumper> I have the same code generating the diff for the in-page view and the popup
[20:33] <thumper> but when I set the content of the pretty overlay
[20:33] <thumper> it renders the table outside the div it should be in for some freaking weird reason
[20:33] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: get('tabIndex') is way worse. It returns 0. The difference may be due to one using the IE extension to getAttribute and the other not. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms536429%28VS.85%29.aspx
[20:34] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, isn't '0' what you want?
[20:34] <mars> since that is the default?
[20:34] <rockstar> thumper, that might have to do with markup and css.
[20:34] <intellectronica> thumper: actually, an example more relevant to your case is get_comment_HTML in lib/canonical/launchpad/javascript/lp/comment.js
[20:34] <thumper> :(
[20:34] <thumper> intellectronica: thanks
[20:34] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: well, on firefox get('tabIndex') returns -1, so it's not consistent.
[20:35] <rockstar> thumper, so you might have to mess with the markup it creates.
[20:35] <thumper> intellectronica: I have written an adapter already, needed for the commit message
[20:35] <thumper> rockstar: any ideas what would cause it to render outside?
[20:35] <rockstar> thumper, honestly, I expected that when you were talking about it.  It may need a separate view entirely.
[20:35] <thumper> rockstar: it isn't just rendering, the firebug dom shows it outside
[20:35] <rockstar> thumper, not without looking at the exact markup.  It might be using floats or tables or any number of bad things.
[20:35] <thumper> rockstar: there are tables
[20:36] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, some raw data: http://www.weba11y.com/blog/2007/11/
[20:36] <thumper> but the table is in a div, so should be ok
[20:36] <rockstar> thumper, yea, tables are amazingly complex.
[20:36] <rockstar> thumper, I probably can't look now, but if you point me to a branch, I'll do my best to get to it.
[20:36] <thumper> the fmt:diff renders a table
[20:36] <thumper> rockstar: my popup-diff branch
[20:37] <thumper> rockstar: and thanks
[20:37] <rockstar> thumper, ah, okay.  It was in my queue of things to do today, but deryck and I had yaks to shave.
[20:37] <thumper> I'll be working on this later, as I'm using it as part of my assignment due Monday:)
[20:37] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, try: node.get('tabindex');  // note the lowercase 'i'
[20:37] <thumper> rockstar: I did change the behaviour so it gets a spinner after the link, nice fallback to the librarian file, and popup only once loaded though
[20:38] <thumper> rockstar: it was pretty easy to do
[20:38] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: from that blog post, it seems like you would want NoTabIndex to set the tabIndex to -1 instead of using removeAttribute('tabIndex')
[20:38] <thumper> rockstar: took maybe 10 minutes
[20:38] <rockstar> thumper, great.
[20:38] <thumper> I'm off to buy meat for the BBQ :)
[20:39] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: .get('tabindex') is a separate variable than getAttribute('tabindex') since get() is case-sensitive.
[20:39] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, yes, it looks like you are right
[20:40] <rockstar> EdwinGrubbs, we might want to document that somewhere.
[20:41] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, there is also this: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/3/node-focusmanager/index.html
[20:41] <EdwinGrubbs> rockstar: there will definitely be a very verbose comment about this.
[20:43] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, trying to remember if setting tabIndex to -1 on the overlay <div> will remove all of its child controls from the tab order as well...
[20:44] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, according to http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#adef-tabindex, the value needs to be between 0 and 32767.  So IE is setting it to the last possible tab element on the page.
[20:45] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: it's actually setting it to 32768, which is an illegal value.
[20:45] <mars> ah
[20:47] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, eewww: On IE it is not possible to determine whether a div has no tabindex or
[20:47] <mars> tabindex="0" using elem.getAttribute("tabindex") or elem.tabIndex
[20:47] <mars> because a default value of 0 is returned. Microsoft provides an
[20:47] <mars> extension to getAttribute() that can be used to determine if the
[20:47] <mars> tabindex is unset. If a second parameter of value "2" is passed to
[20:47] <mars> getAttribute(), a value of 32768 is returned whenever tabindex is not
[20:47] <mars> set. See Microsoft's documentation on getAttribute:
[20:47] <mars> double-eewww
[20:47] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: yes, that's the link I sent you
[20:48] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, yep, but I didn't understand why it was necessary.  That is not fun.
[20:50] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: so my main question is whether I should just fix the unit test, or if I should also have NoTabIndex set it to -1.
[20:51] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, set it to -1.  That is a modern browser extension.  Don't worry about IE.  Please ensure that child elements in the Overlay are still tab-navigable.
[20:52] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, if IE is being a pain, then put an exception into the test just for it, with the relevant links.  I don't see a better way to handle this at this time.
[21:02] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: IE seems to handle -1 exactly like the other browsers. It was just the removeAttribute() that was really difficult to verify, and I didn't know if there was a reason NoTabIndex should use that. I will test the overlay, and I think -1 is much better solution for NoTabIndex.
[21:02] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, should the extension be renamed to RemoveTabIndex then?
[21:03] <mars> or RemoveFromTabOrder, or something
[21:09] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: hmmm, maybe DisabledTabIndex.
[21:09] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, DisableTabIndex sounds good.  Y.augment(Foo, DisableTabIndex);
[21:10] <EdwinGrubbs> ok
[21:10] <EdwinGrubbs> mars: can I send you the reviw later today, so you can look at it Monday? I have some other IE fixe in the branch, but it's not that big.
[21:10] <mars> EdwinGrubbs, sure
[21:13] <wgrant> pgquiles: Why are you now installing debhelper and python-twisted?
[21:13] <wgrant> Neither of those are necessary.
[21:14] <wgrant> pgquiles: And make run_all doesn't do anything extra that Soyuz needs.
[21:37] <pgquiles> wgrant: launchpad-buildd requires debootstrap and python-twisted, IIRC
[21:37] <pgquiles> wait, debhelper?
[21:38] <wgrant> pgquiles: launchpad-buildd does need python-twisted, but it is included in the package's dependencies. It does not require debootstrap.
[21:39] <wgrant> And you only need debhelper if you are building packages yourself.
[21:39] <pgquiles> wgrant: yeah, that was it. But the next step in the howto is building the launchpad-buildd package, so I need debhelper.
[21:40] <wgrant> pgquiles: Ohh, true.
[21:40] <wgrant> But debootstrap/python-twisted are not required.
[21:41] <pgquiles> dpkg -i launchpad-buildd fails, debootstrap and python-twisted are dependencies in debian/control
[21:41] <pgquiles> (IIRC, I don't have a checkout here)
[21:42] <wgrant> pgquiles: Ah, then perhaps you meant 'apt-get -f install'
[21:43] <wgrant> No point installing them explicitly, since those deps could change.
[21:43] <pgquiles> wgrant: mmm when I install launchpad-buildd with dpkg -i as said in the howto, dpkg returns an error
[21:44] <pgquiles> I'm trying to browse code.launchpad.net to find the control file and check the dependencies for launchpad-buildd
[21:44] <wgrant> pgquiles: If you then apt-get -f install, it should finish installing the package.
[21:44] <pgquiles> ah, yes
[21:44] <wgrant> Depends: python-twisted, debootstrap, dpkg-dev, linux32, file, bzip2, sudo, ntpdate, adduser
[21:44] <pgquiles> yeah
[21:44] <wgrant> It should not depend on debootstrap, but that's another matter.
[21:45] <pgquiles> after my research yesterday and a bit of IRC talking with lamont this today, I think I know how to build a chroot like the ones you can download form launchpadlibrarian.net
[21:46] <pgquiles> I need to find out about some config files but I'll probably write an article about that this weekend
[21:46] <wgrant> pgquiles: What additional stuff was necessary?
[21:47] <pgquiles> wgrant: it's esentially debootstrap --variant=buildd --components=main,universe, then chroot to that folder, create buildd group and user and run root/bootstrap
[21:47] <pgquiles> dump kernel config and two or three more config files I can't remember now


[00:00] <jarnos> brainwash_, but the PPA does not contain lightdm-gtk-greeter
[00:01] <brainwash_> no? the PPA is called "
[00:01] <brainwash_> LightDM GTK+ Greeter Daily"
[00:03] <jarnos> brainwash_, ok
[00:07] <jarnos> brainwash_, works better :)
[00:08] <brainwash_> great that we got this sorted
[00:10] <Unit193> http://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libxfce4ui.html Well hey, we could actually try to get that from experimental.  That's one we pretty clearly need.
[00:10] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Everything in debian (except indicator 1.0) is already merged, some need sponsoring. All released xfce 4.11 packages are in the debian svn
[00:11] <ochosi> Unit193: how do these things get synced anyway?
[00:12] <ochosi> or Noskcaj ^
[00:12] <Unit193> ochosi: Automatic for anything in unstable where the Ubuntu version doesn't have ubuntu#
[00:12] <ochosi> yeah, but if we need stuff from experimental
[00:12] <Noskcaj> experimental or ubuntu changes need manual work. which i have done
[00:13] <Unit193> The program 'requestsync' is in the ubuntu-dev-tools package.
[00:16] <ochosi> Noskcaj: so what's in the sponsoring queue already and what still needs work?
[00:16] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Just needs a sponsor
[00:16] <ochosi> (sorry if i'm asking many questions now, but i really wanna get an overview over the situation now that the holidays are over)
[00:17] <Noskcaj> it's fine. https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxfce4ui/4.11/+merge/200196 is the libxfce4ui merge
[00:17] <Noskcaj> Plus the light-locker fix and the new xfce4-terminal are in the queue
[00:19] <Noskcaj> And i'm currently packaging the embed plugin
[00:19] <ochosi> what light-locker fix are you referring to exactly?
[00:19] <ochosi> the xflock patch?
[00:20] <Noskcaj> yeah
[00:20] <ochosi> well light-locker also needs to replace xscreensaver in the seed..
[00:20] <ochosi> (in case you wanna do another MR)
[00:21] <Unit193> ochosi: Already requested.
[00:21] <ochosi> oh ok
[00:22] <ochosi> so basically we have lots of stuff in the queue
[00:22] <Noskcaj> sooooo much stuff
[00:22] <ochosi> i asked for help in -motu yesterday
[00:22] <Noskcaj> I have 50+ packages across debian and ubuntu waiting for sponsorship
[00:22] <ochosi> xnox kindly offered some support for sponsorship of packages for xubuntu
[00:23]  * knome crosses fingers that isn't because the "quantity before quality" -method
[00:23] <ochosi> so for the really important ones i think we can ping him
[00:25] <Noskcaj> knome, That have build up over the last 6 months
[00:25] <Noskcaj> I have some in debian from when i first started packaging
[00:25] <knome> no doubt :)
[00:27] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, do you have a sec?
[00:27] <Noskcaj> slickymaster, Sure
[00:27] <slickymaster> Bug #1262492, do you really see it as a bug?
[00:29] <Noskcaj> slickymaster, I'm not sure. It would be nice to have the edit popup appear when you make a new launcher, but i can see that annoying people
[00:29] <slickymaster> Noskcaj,  what I mean is that I see the reporter reasoning but it strikes me more as a wishlist that a bug
[00:29] <slickymaster> than ^^
[00:30] <ochosi> yeah, this should be a wishlist item imo
[00:30] <ochosi> and it should be forwarded to upstream anyway
[00:30] <Noskcaj> Priority should be wishlist, should be forwarded upstream with "feature request" in the title
[00:30] <ochosi> it'll just rot in lp
[00:31] <slickymaster> ochosi, yes, that's what I was thinking also
[00:31] <slickymaster> since you marked as Confirmed, do you want to change it Noskcaj ?
[00:32] <Noskcaj> I don't think i have triage rights
[00:32] <knome> i might
[00:32] <ochosi> night everyone
[00:33] <Noskcaj> bye ochosi
[00:33] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow ochosi
[00:34] <slickymaster> knome, good
[00:34] <knome> (but i don't know what you are talking about, so you might want to point me to the right direction)
[00:34] <slickymaster> bug 1262492
[00:35] <slickymaster> knome, ^^^
[00:35] <slickymaster> it strikes me more as a wishlist than a bug
[00:35] <knome> set as "opinion"
[00:35] <knome> LP doesn't have "wishlist"
[00:35] <Noskcaj> knome, sure? It's still something people want fixed
[00:35] <Noskcaj> And yes it does
[00:36] <Noskcaj> In the "priority" section
[00:36] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, exactly
[00:36] <knome> aha, right
[00:36] <knome> yeah, me and my sloppy hands
[00:36] <knome> it's fixed now
[00:36] <knome> status: 	Confirmed → Won't Fix
[00:36] <knome> status: 	Won't Fix → Opinion
[00:36] <knome> importance: 	Undecided → Critical
[00:36] <knome> importance: 	Critical → Wishlist
[00:36] <knome> status: 	Opinion → Confirmed
[00:36] <knome> i only need 5 times!
[00:36] <slickymaster> thing is that I think that someone in the bugsquad team
[00:36] <knome> /tries
[00:37] <slickymaster> never mind
[00:37] <knome> lol
[00:38] <Noskcaj> We probably need more people with triage rights in xubuntu
[00:38] <slickymaster> +1 on that Noskcaj
[00:38]  * Noskcaj nominates slickymaster
[00:39]  * slickymaster hides
[00:39] <slickymaster> )
[00:39]  * knome nominates Noskcaj as the head of all bugs and bees of xubuntu
[00:40] <slickymaster> but I think you're right, Noskcaj. Do you know how many members of the team hold those rights
[00:40] <slickymaster> ?
[00:40] <Noskcaj> knome, If you want, but slickymaster does more triage than i do
[00:40] <knome> Noskcaj, i was only half serious :P
[00:40] <Noskcaj> And i'm guessing 0
[00:40] <slickymaster> well, being in -qa kind of leads me to it
[00:40] <knome> basically anybody who's interested should get that access, it isn't something that you need to do via xubuntu
[00:41] <Noskcaj> Although elfy and pleia can give themselves themselves access because CC
[00:41] <knome> some access is leaking to me too via various teams
[00:41] <slickymaster> don't they already have them?
[00:41] <knome> Pasi Lallinaho → Ubuntu Documentation Committers → Ubuntu Bug Control
[00:41] <slickymaster> I mean elfy and pleia2?
[00:41] <Noskcaj> maybe
[00:42] <knome> i'm not sure
[00:42] <knome> if they were wise, the CC was only the owner of certain teams, not a member
[00:42] <slickymaster> but that's something that could be looked into
[00:43] <knome> i guess they could grant themselves the access, but the whole point of the community stuff is that people do not do that, but actually earn the access
[00:44] <slickymaster> does that requires an active roll in the bug squad?
[00:44] <slickymaster> or there are other ways/teams?
[00:44] <knome> i guess you first have to prove you are a worthy triager
[00:44] <Noskcaj> slickymaster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[00:45] <knome> once you do that, you should get the membership and be in the team eternally
[00:45] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, yeah, I'aware of that
[00:45] <Noskcaj> just checking
[00:46] <slickymaster> knome, not exactly. I'm a member of the BugSquad team but I don't have those rights
[00:46] <knome> slickymaster, you need to be part of the bug control team to have *that*
[00:46] <knome> but basically it's just more of the same
[00:47] <knome> i should go to bed
[00:48] <slickymaster> me, too. I'l be up in about 4 hours to work
[00:48] <knome> heh
[00:48] <knome> night, and good luck ;)
[00:48] <slickymaster> tks. cy all tomorrow
[00:48] <slickymaster> hace a good night
[00:48] <slickymaster> have
[00:49] <Noskcaj> g'night slickymaster, knome
[00:49] <knome> night Noskcaj
[00:49] <knome> (or day)
[00:49] <knome> ->
[00:49] <Noskcaj> midday
[00:49] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, cy
[02:23] <Unit193> Dang, and right when I need the P a s i and master of all slickiness.
[02:27] <Noskcaj> :)
[02:36] <Unit193> Does LP automatically pull the pot file in and update the po files with it or something?
[02:38] <Noskcaj> Depends on how you've set it up for a project
[02:45] <Unit193> Well, I updated the pot and po files...
[02:58] <Unit193> slickymaster: If you're crazy enough to read logs, not the intro is translated now: http://unit193.net/xubuntu/pt/
[03:05] <Unit193> PT is in the best of shape, of course.
[03:10] <Noskcaj> And now i'm in the bug control team, a whole 15 min after applying
[03:10] <Noskcaj> :)
[05:29] <Noskcaj> Guys, where's the upstream bugs/commits for the light-locker xflock4 fix?
[05:29] <Noskcaj> logan wants the in #ubuntu-devel
[06:40] <forestpiskie> Noskcaj: do you have any idea how much havoc could be wreaked by an elfy having anything to do with triage ... I am positive that you will find that pleia2 and I only appear to have them because CC owns the teams below it
[06:41] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:51] <elfy> !team |did knome fix it yet :)
[06:51] <elfy> nope
[06:52]  * Unit193 knows someone likes that trigger...
[06:53] <elfy> I shall abuse the bot until the factoid is correct :p
[06:53] <Unit193> Fix what?
[06:54] <xnox> ochosi: knome: Noskcaj: i'm a DD so can sponsor things into debian as well. And well, when sponsoring packages i do review them and ask for things to be fixed up, i don't just blindly dput stuff.
[06:54]  * Unit193 notes that he should bother xnox about a QA upload. :P
[06:54] <Unit193> (Kidding.)
[06:55] <elfy> bad bad Unit193
[06:55] <Noskcaj> xnox, Well i've got at least 50
[06:55] <elfy> I'd guess xnox is facepalming now ... :)
[06:57] <xnox> Noskcaj: if it's not on mentors.debian.net or not in http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ they don't count. And I did do a few of yours not so long ago.
[06:58] <Noskcaj> etm-qt in the PAPT, audicious* in pkg-multimedia, 10 in pkg gnome, 13 in mentors (a few aren't actually needing sponsoring there, but gambc really does),  24 in the sponsor queue
[06:58] <Noskcaj> that enough ;)
[06:58] <Noskcaj> Please do a few
[06:59] <Noskcaj> elfy, Why am i not in !team ? or the other two new guys
[07:00] <elfy> because XPL hasn't done it yet I guess - I'm on the hassling detail for that :)
[07:00] <elfy> it'll get done I'm sure :)
[07:00] <Unit193> elfy: At least I was kidding, though I need to find it nevertheless. :P
[07:00] <elfy> Unit193: find what?
[07:51] <elfy> ochosi: not got time to look further atm but - suspend seems to just locking - not going down - just cycling to login screen
[08:53] <TESTER> Hi, where are Xubuntu 12.04 Alternate Images to test?
[08:54] <TESTER> Sorry, of course 14.04!!!
[08:57] <ochosi> Noskcaj: when talking about uploads that others could do for us, please focus on those that we urgently need in 14.04
[08:57] <Noskcaj> TESTER, Sorry, only lubuntu, ubuntu-server, and netboot have alternate installs
[08:58] <ochosi> i.e. the three packages for indicators, etc
[08:58] <Noskcaj> ochosi, yeah. will do. I've got logan looking at xflock, he just wants an upstream bug(fix) or gt commit first
[08:59] <ochosi> Noskcaj: yeah, well that means it might take ages
[08:59] <Noskcaj> xnox, If you're still around, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/libxfce4ui/4.11/+merge/200196 is the highest priority merge
[08:59] <ochosi> but really, panel and indicators should be the first thing to go in imo
[08:59] <ochosi> yup, let's start with that
[09:01] <TESTER> 14.04 will be based on XFCE 4.11 ???
[09:01] <Noskcaj> TESTER, Parts of it
[09:01] <ochosi> xnox: thanks, i really appreciate that you don't just blindly dput stuff :) we'll try to only ask you for help where certain quality standards are met
[09:02] <ochosi> k, g2g, have a fun day everyone
[09:02] <Noskcaj> Yeah, i need sleep now. bye ochosi
[09:02] <TESTER> Noskcaj - so I have to use Lubuntu Iso and then install xfce-desktop (if there is such a thing) when I want to encrypt whole harddisk?
[09:02] <ochosi> elfy: i guess looking at the logs would be a good step here
[09:03] <TESTER> I have 4.12 runnig fine on 12.04 - is needed for multi monitor support, should be in 14.04
[09:33] <slickymaster> morning all
[12:39] <knome> the !team factoid is updated.
[12:52] <rowboatnick> !team
[12:52] <elfy> knome: thanks :)
[12:52] <knome> rowboatnick, well there was no reason to test it and poke everybody :P
[12:53] <rowboatnick> knome: i had to know :(
[12:53] <elfy> bad rowboatnick :)
[12:55] <knome> rowboatnick, /msg ubottu !team-#xubuntu-devel
[13:27] <lderan> \o/
[13:49] <jarnos> ochosi, as for light-locker, isn't the lightdm-gtk-greeter going to be too old in Trusty for it?
[13:59] <jarnos> ochosi, it might be good to have a mature xscreensaver bundled with Xubuntu; Lubuntu 13.10 uses the greeter in lxlock that is LXDE equivalent of xflock4, and it introduced a critical security bug that has still not been fixed in updates.
[14:00] <jarnos> brainwash, hi,  isn't the lightdm-gtk-greeter going to be too old for light-locker in Trusty?
[14:01] <brainwash> jarnos: no, trusty will ship with version 1.8 I think
[14:02] <jarnos> brainwash, so you can't trust http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=%20lightdm-gtk-greeter&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[14:02] <brainwash> well, it will be version 1.7.0 at least
[14:03] <brainwash> jarnos: trusty is still in development, many packages will be updated in the next months
[14:04] <brainwash> and version 1.7.0 has been released like 1(?) week ago
[14:07] <jarnos> ochosi, this is the bug with lxlock: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1205384
[14:08] <brainwash> still not fixed in the official repo?
[14:09] <brainwash> wow, a critical bug should be fixed asap
[14:11] <jarnos> brainwash, right
[14:14] <jarnos> brainwash, and the bug report was made more thant two months before release of Lubuntu 13.10!
[14:17] <jarnos> brainwash, I don't know what they are thinking. It would be easy to modify lxlock as a workaround.
[14:22] <brainwash> jarnos: sad story, hopefully there will be a happy ending
[14:22] <brainwash> most users are not aware of this security issue :/
[14:26] <jarnos> brainwash, at least information about it was added (long after release) to release notes of Lubuntu 13.10, after I requested it.
[14:27] <jarnos> brainwash, but that does not help people that installed Lubuntu 13.10 before that.
[15:12] <ochosi> jarnos: this is exactly what light-locker fixes
[15:12] <ochosi> i told the lubuntu guys long ago
[15:12] <ochosi> bbl
[15:26] <brainwash> ochosi: so bug 1264563 won't be fixed in lightdm
[15:28] <brainwash> does the patch for lightdm-gtk-greeter break any functionality of the greeter? is it bad if the greeter checks for logged in users even on a fresh boot?
[15:28] <ochosi> brainwash: yes, i read, it's fine i'll take care of the greeter soon
[15:28] <brainwash> ok :)
[16:29] <slickymaster> bbl
[16:58] <jarnos> ochosi, in some cases I have ended up with situation where all displays remain blanked even if I move mouse, when I use light-locker from daily PPA.
[17:06] <brainwash> jarnos: did you try to switch to vt7 and back?
[17:09] <jarnos> brainwash, yes, but it didn't help. I had to reboot.
[17:10] <brainwash> so typing the password blindly did not work either?
[17:11] <brainwash> light-locker does not blank the screen, lightdm-gtk-greeter tells the X server to do so
[17:13] <brainwash> there might be error messages in your Xorg or lightdm log files
[17:13] <brainwash> /var/log/lightdm
[17:17] <elfy> oi/
[17:17] <jarnos> brainwash, you mean ERROR?
[17:26] <jarnos> brainwash, anyway, was using a laptop with (only) an external display enabled.
[17:28] <jarnos> brainwash, I did not notice any ERROR messages in recent logs at /var/log/lightdm
[17:36] <brainwash> jarnos: don't know what might cause this faulty behavior
[17:38] <brainwash> at least create a bug report and attach the greeter log files and so on
[17:39] <brainwash> the screen does not unblank after manual locking, right?
[17:39] <brainwash> try to reproduce it by running "dm-tool lock"
[18:04] <jarnos> brainwash, when I use it, it also blanks screen, doesn't respond to mouse, but Ctrl-Alt-F7 unlocks.
[18:11] <brainwash> jarnos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+filebug
[18:11] <brainwash> :P
[18:16] <jarnos> brainwash, maybe later, I am busy.
[18:27] <pmjdebru2jn> hi
[18:28] <pmjdebru2jn> is anybody here aware of anything special with regard to scrollbar theming on xubuntu?
[18:28] <pmjdebru2jn> I have an application of which scrollbars a differently themed on xubuntu than on ubuntu
[18:28] <pmjdebru2jn> and the application explicitly loads it's own clearlooks based theme
[18:28] <pmjdebru2jn> (special purpose app)
[18:29] <brainwash> ubuntu/unity uses overlay scrollbars
[18:30] <brainwash> special purpose app? sounds mysterious
[18:31] <ochosi> hey pmjdebru2jn
[18:31] <ochosi> there's nothing special happening really
[18:31] <ochosi> our themes use murrine's gtk-scrollbar theming in gtk2 and the default engine in gtk3
[18:32] <pmjdebru2jn> I know about the overlay stuff, but that's not what I meant
[18:32] <pmjdebru2jn> even with overlay scrollbars disabled, it looks like I'd expect on ubuntu
[18:32] <pmjdebru2jn> in xubuntu the scrollbars are recessed
[18:32] <ochosi> if you need help and it should remain secret feel free to PM me with more specifics
[18:33] <pmjdebru2jn> app = darktable (for photography, so it has a dark neutral theme)
[18:33] <pmjdebru2jn> I guess I should upload some screenshots
[18:34] <ochosi> yeah, that'd be helpful
[18:35] <ochosi> but i can also install it and see what's going on
[18:35] <ochosi> i suspect it's a problem of the combination of your rc-files in darktable and options we set in out themes
[18:38] <ochosi> what version of darktable are we talking about and what would be the most straightforward way to get it in 13.10?
[18:38] <pmjdebru2jn> oh
[18:38] <pmjdebru2jn> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:pmjdebruijn/darktable-unstable :D
[18:39] <pmjdebru2jn> my ppas are the official project ppas :)
[18:40] <ochosi> thought so :)
[18:40] <ochosi> i presume we're talking gtk2?
[18:41] <pmjdebru2jn> yes
[18:41] <pmjdebru2jn> indeed
[18:41] <pmjdebru2jn> we mostly use clearlooks
[18:41] <pmjdebru2jn> gtk2-engines
[18:41] <pmjdebru2jn> the basic theme is a modified version from something from art.gnome.org, which someone else modified
[18:41] <pmjdebru2jn> and now I'm fiddling with it
[18:41] <pmjdebru2jn> :)
[18:42] <pmjdebru2jn> practically it's fine, but cosmetically it's a bit ugly on xubuntu now
[18:45] <ochosi> yeah, but xubuntu doesn't have clearlooks installed by default
[18:45] <pmjdebru2jn> initially I though it was the shadow-type thing, but that's set to GTK_SHADOW_NONE
[18:45] <ochosi> just for starters
[18:45] <pmjdebru2jn> ochosi: the package pulls in gtk2-engines
[18:45] <ochosi> oh, you install it
[18:45] <ochosi> yeah, just saw it
[18:46] <ochosi> why not just modify the colors?
[18:46] <ochosi> is it really necessary to modify the whole theme looks?
[18:46] <pmjdebru2jn> not per-se
[18:46] <pmjdebru2jn> well
[18:46] <pmjdebru2jn> then again
[18:46] <ochosi> would make the looks of darktable more integrated
[18:46] <ochosi> (is my first thought)
[18:46] <pmjdebru2jn> the more we leave to chance, the more can go wrong
[18:46] <pmjdebru2jn> ochosi: we don't want to look integrated
[18:47] <pmjdebru2jn> we have lots of custom widgets too
[18:47] <pmjdebru2jn> so by itself looking "integrated" really isn't a concern
[18:47] <pmjdebru2jn> it's basically just another vector for unexpected issues
[18:47] <ochosi> right, i understand
[18:48] <ochosi> so, i see the scrollbars now
[18:48] <ochosi> what seems to be the issue?
[18:48] <ochosi> or: how should they look?
[18:50] <pmjdebru2jn> there's an extra sunk in bevel around the scrollbars at the sides
[18:51] <pmjdebru2jn> when I do export LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0
[18:51] <pmjdebru2jn> they are not there on ubuntu
[18:52] <pmjdebru2jn> you do see what I mean right?
[19:08] <ochosi> pmjdebru2jn: extra sunk bevel? you mean the scrollbar trough?
[19:09] <ochosi> i guess i should load some pics in...
[19:10] <pmjdebru2jn> ochosi: the scrollbars are forced on at the sides
[19:10] <ochosi> yeah, i see them there
[19:11] <ochosi> they're a bit bulky
[19:11] <ochosi> and there's no visible trough
[19:11] <ochosi> do you have a screener of what it should look like?
[19:12] <pmjdebru2jn> let me make one
[19:12] <ochosi> thanks
[19:12] <ochosi> that'd be helpful
[19:15] <pmjdebru2jn> https://encrypted.pcode.nl/files/temp/dt-ubuntu.png
[19:15] <ochosi> ok, the reason is simple
[19:15] <ochosi> now that i see it :)
[19:16] <ochosi> where is your rc file, then i can try to quickly patch it
[19:17] <pmjdebru2jn> /usr/share/darktable/darktable.gtkrc
[19:22] <ochosi> pmjdebru2jn: this should fix your issue mostly: http://dpaste.com/1539527/
[19:22] <ochosi> there could be more to fix, but try that first and lemme know whether that's what you expected
[19:23] <pmjdebru2jn> ah cool, let me look
[19:28] <pmjdebru2jn> ochosi: I don't think that makes a difference over here
[19:28] <ochosi> are you sure?
[19:28] <ochosi> that's weird
[19:29] <pmjdebru2jn> insert at line 28 right?
[19:29] <ochosi> well the line number doesn't matter really
[19:29] <pmjdebru2jn> those property are button related?
[19:29] <pmjdebru2jn> aren't they?
[19:29] <ochosi> this is about overruling the theme deactivating the scrollbar steppers
[19:29] <ochosi> cause that's all that really happens
[19:30] <ochosi> if you use bluebird for example, that problem shouldn't occur
[19:30] <ochosi> (just to quickly test)
[19:30] <ochosi> or use albatross
[19:30] <ochosi> those themes don't deactivate the steppers, so things should look normal
[19:31] <pmjdebru2jn> ah it's fine with albatross indeed
[20:14] <Unit193> How about that, gtk2 indicator lands.
[20:17] <brainwash> so now we only need the patched power manager and saucy will be ready for release :P
[20:19] <brainwash> Unit193: do you plan to keep your Xfce PPA up-to-date?
[20:19] <brainwash> xfwm4 + xfdesktop
[20:19] <Unit193> brainwash: I don't see why not, but note that it's the tabwin branch, not xfwm/master.
[20:21] <brainwash> yeah, your PPA is great for testing recent fixes and the seamless background transition
[20:21] <brainwash> tabwin won't be ready for trusty, or?
[20:23] <Unit193> It'd be ready, but perhaps not merged.
[21:19] <Noskcaj> Just wondering, can't forestpiskie  sponsor stuff for us because Community Council gives access to core-dev?
[21:23] <Unit193> Not without major abuse of power.
[21:24] <Unit193> He also won't because he doesn't touch voodoo.
[21:25] <slickymaster> night all
[21:26] <Noskcaj> hey slickymaster
[21:26] <slickymaster> hey Noskcaj
[21:27] <Noskcaj> So i'l in bug control now.
[21:27] <Noskcaj> *i'm
[21:27] <slickymaster> great
[21:27] <slickymaster> but do you mean bug sqaud?
[21:27] <Noskcaj> Now i just need one of the admins to actually put me in the team
[21:28] <Noskcaj> bugcontrol = can set priority and target release
[21:28] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, isn't bug control a restricted team?
[21:29] <Noskcaj> slickymaster, yeah
[21:29] <Noskcaj> I applied yesterday and got the required number of +1s
[21:29] <slickymaster> that's great, we sure need some more members with those rights
[21:32] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, you can ping bdmurray on that
[21:32] <Noskcaj> I don't have time now, but i will
[21:32] <slickymaster> great
[22:15] <brainwash> can anyone verify that the proposed xfce4-terminal package works in saucy? bug 1206739
[22:16] <brainwash> looks like the package is stuck in proposed since 2013-11-12


[12:25] <Jacajack> Hi everyone
[12:30] <Jacajack> I'd like to know, if I'm in right place, to well, kinda bump Launchpad question. Few days ago, I requested project URL change, but nobody responded. In this case, I'd be happy to know whether my request is valid, and if it's not, what should I correct.
[12:30] <Jacajack> This is question URL: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/293337
[12:31] <Jacajack> Thank you in advance
[13:07] <cjwatson> Jacajack: it's fine, just running a bit behind.  I'll deal with it
[13:08] <Jacajack> Oh, that's great
[13:08] <Jacajack> Thank you :)


[01:16] <dkulchenko> Hi all! I'm trying to get the Blue Snowball mic working with Jaunty. It works fine through ALSA, and when I look at the microphone through the PulseAudio Volume Control, I can see the volume bar moving and it selected as default. But when I change Sound Capture in System->Preferences->Sound to PulseAudio Sound Server, it doesn't work (playback through PulseAudio works fine). Any ideas? (I need to use Pulseaudio because
[01:16] <dkulchenko>  I'm mixing multiple sound sources)
[02:55] <meowbuntu> hi is there a way to get a ubuntu studio live cd/dvd
[02:58] <amstan> meowbuntu: they're on the website
[02:58] <amstan> meowbuntu: if you don't want to dowload you have to buy them
[03:01] <meowbuntu> amstan, are you sure theere are live cd/dvd versions of ubuntustudio now
[03:01] <amstan> meowbuntu: oh.. i'm sorry
[03:01] <amstan> i missed the live part
[03:02] <amstan> no, i believe there is only an instealler dvd for ubuntu studio
[03:02] <amstan> no live
[03:02] <meowbuntu> y is that it sux as it should be easy to get one.
[03:04] <amstan> meowbuntu: you could get ubuntu on a flash drive then install the ubuntu studio metapackage
[03:04] <amstan> and then you'll have a live usb
[03:06] <meowbuntu> amstan, installing metapackkages for ubuntu studio. ubuntu ce etc dont always work so its a risk that is not safe
[03:07] <amstan> meowbuntu: it worked for me
[03:07] <amstan> true though, i only installed the audio one
[03:45] <meowbuntu> amstan, there si always a cauthin when installing addons like ubnut=u studio expantion pace for ubuntu. so its best tpo get a proper one if possable
[03:45] <amstan> meowbuntu: sorry, what?
[03:48] <meowbuntu> *there is always a cauton
[03:48] <meowbuntu> * like ubuntu
[03:48] <meowbuntu> *expantion pack
[03:48] <meowbuntu> *best to
[03:49] <meowbuntu> get a proper one = the full ubuntu studio
[04:47] <sulio> Hello all... looking for a video editor that matches up with Final Cut Pro..... can anyone offer suggestions?
[05:01] <meowbuntu> are there any good applications for extracting audio cds to mp3 etc
[05:02] <holstein> sure meowbuntu
[05:03] <meowbuntu> holstein, i am using ubuntu atm just asking here as studio has excellent apps for that
[05:03] <meowbuntu> from what i have heard
[05:03] <holstein> i would suggest going to synaptic and searching cd ripper
[05:03] <holstein> i think your wanting sound-juicer
[05:04] <meowbuntu> cd exractor i think
[05:04] <holstein> try both
[05:09] <meowbuntu> holstein, sound-juicer does not allow me to extract to mp3 how can i do that.
[05:10] <holstein> well, you need to get your codecs in order
[05:10] <holstein> nothing will until you do that
[05:10] <holstein> can you play mp3's?
[05:10] <meowbuntu> holstein, sound-juicer does not allow me to extract to mp3 how can i do that. do i need a codex for it
[05:10] <meowbuntu> yes
[05:10] <holstein> hmmm
[05:10] <meowbuntu> do i need a codes
[05:11] <holstein> i think i have always ripped .wav from CD
[05:11] <holstein> and converted to what i need after
[05:11] <holstein> now that i think about it
[05:11] <meowbuntu> well what app did you use to convert .wav to .mp3 then
[05:11] <holstein> sound converter
[05:12] <holstein> BUT, did you try to do the mp3 rip?
[05:12] <holstein> im surprised your not prompted about what you need
[05:13] <holstein> usually something comes up and says 'click here to break the law'
[05:13] <meowbuntu> nope
[05:15] <meowbuntu> not at this stabe sound juicer does not have mp3 in settings just mp2 .wav .spx .flac and .ogg
[05:15] <meowbuntu> stage
[05:15] <Blank__> ogg's better anyway :p
[05:16] <holstein> meowbuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html
[05:16] <holstein> Blank__: WORD :)
[05:17] <Blank__> ;)
[05:18] <Blank__> ogg vorbis is my favourite lossy format hands down
[05:18] <Blank__> fav lossless is flac
[05:20] <meowbuntu> Blank__, that maby true but mp3 players and some of my other os dont like ogg
[05:21] <Blank__> sad but true
[05:21] <Blank__> that's why i made sure my mp3 player could take it
[05:22] <Blank__> and for the most part both my windows machine and linux machines all cope with it fine
[05:24] <Blank__> it's interesting, more devices are becoming ogg capable
[05:24] <meowbuntu> holstein, liblame0 cant be installed like the tutoral says y   http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html
[05:25] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=957
[05:27] <holstein> those forum post are very old
[05:27] <holstein> 2004
[05:27] <meowbuntu> liblame0 cant be installed like the tutoral says y   http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html
[05:27] <meowbuntu> liblame0 is not in synaptic
[05:27] <holstein> im sure theres something like that for karmic
[05:27] <holstein> if you want to tackle it
[05:27] <holstein> theres going to be a package
[05:27] <meowbuntu> well what is it then ??? beats me
[05:28] <holstein> and that will let you make mp3's
[05:28] <holstein> are you running karmic?
[05:28] <meowbuntu> holstein, usually it would say if there was when using apt-get.
[05:29] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[05:29] <holstein> yeah, the package name has changed
[05:29] <holstein> OR theres another package being used
[05:32] <meowbuntu> liblame0 is not in synaptic
[05:33] <meowbuntu> holstein, read this short post please tell me what you think http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=904935
[05:33] <holstein> did you try running sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[05:33] <holstein> in a terminal
[05:33] <meowbuntu> yes i know how to do that
[05:34] <meowbuntu> it worked
[05:34] <meowbuntu> just let me know about the post ^
[05:35] <holstein> yeah, i bet thats all straitened out by now
[05:35] <meowbuntu> holstein, well how is that then
[05:35] <holstein> did you restart sound juicer?
[05:35] <holstein> and, do you have the mp3 option?
[05:36] <holstein> there seems to be a lot of working goin on to straighten those packages out
[05:36] <meowbuntu> holstein, thanks it worked
[05:37] <holstein> i think you can just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras, or something like that now
[05:37] <holstein> the process is being tweaked a bit
[06:53] <meowbuntu> is installing restricted extras a good idea
[06:55] <holstein> good question meowbuntu
[06:56] <meowbuntu> well do you know
[06:56] <holstein> where do you live?
[06:56] <holstein> do you care if its legal?
[06:56] <holstein> can you live without mp3's?
[06:56] <meowbuntu> in a house and you
[06:57] <holstein> DUDE
[06:57] <meowbuntu> mp3 are legal. and also installing restricted extras are legal
[06:57] <holstein> in some countries, obtaining the mp3 codecs is legal
[06:57] <holstein> AFAIK
[06:58] <holstein> for the US its not
[06:58] <holstein> or it a grey area
[06:58] <meowbuntu> i live in a house in a street in a suburb in a city in a country in the pasific on a planet called earth
[06:58] <meowbuntu> AFAIK = ?????
[06:58] <holstein> AFAIK= as far as i know
[06:59] <holstein> you can google that too
[06:59] <meowbuntu> well i do not beleve its a grey erea i need mp3 as they are cross platform
[06:59] <holstein> platform is not the issue
[06:59] <holstein> the issue is licensing
[07:00] <holstein> if you can figure out what country you are in, and how to use google...
[07:00] <holstein> you can find out the particular legal issues you might have with mp3's
[07:00] <holstein> and then, you can decide for yourself if installing restricted extras is a good idea
[07:00] <meowbuntu> i am in aotearoa. which is next to austrailia
[07:01] <holstein> well, now you know what to put in google when you decide to search
[07:01] <meowbuntu> NZL all blacks, black caps, team NZ, maori
[07:01] <meowbuntu> search for what exactly
[07:02] <holstein> DUDE
[07:02] <holstein> either is too late for me, or your trolling..
[07:02] <meowbuntu> is installing restricted extras legal in (country)
[07:02] <holstein> yup
[07:03] <holstein> good luck to you meowbuntu
[07:03] <holstein> i know fluendo has a free mp3 codec
[07:03] <holstein> but, i think your ok over there
[07:03] <holstein> using the restricted extras
[07:04] <holstein> glad you got your sound juiced :)
[07:04] <holstein> nite
[08:34] <meowbuntu> hi i have a file in a directory with the name Ubuntu 9.10 i cant cd to it in terminal need help
[08:35] <jussi01> meowbuntu: please dont cross post at the same time
[08:35] <meowbuntu> y there are different ppl on each channel
[08:35] <jussi01> meowbuntu: and some are on all of them.
[08:36] <jussi01> meowbuntu: in any case, are you remembering that the CLI is CaSe sensitive?
[08:37] <jussi01> !tab | meowbuntu
[08:42] <meowbuntu> jussi01, http://www.pastebin.ca/1746617
[08:42] <jussi01> meowbuntu: try using tab and youll see how you need to deal with spaces ;)
[08:42] <meowbuntu> jussi01, i know how to use irc ok i been a linux user 4 7 months now
[08:43] <jussi01> meowbuntu: read the rest of the ttab message...
[08:43] <meowbuntu> thanks i got it now
[08:43] <meowbuntu> much appreciated
[08:43] <jussi01> ;)
[08:48] <meowbuntu> jussi01, http://pastebin.ca/1746624 i dont understand what my server info is
[08:49] <jussi01> meowbuntu: are you trying to install wordpress?
[08:49] <meowbuntu> yes
[08:50] <meowbuntu> there is no .deb file
[08:50] <meowbuntu> just a tar.gz file
[08:50] <jussi01> meowbuntu: sudo apt-get install wordpress
[08:50] <meowbuntu> nope a .zip actually
[08:51] <meowbuntu> what the hey are you sure that is it . there is no info on google telling me that
[08:51] <jussi01> meowbuntu: _always_ search the repositories for it first
[08:51] <jussi01> meowbuntu: I have it installed
[08:52] <meowbuntu> thanks i been at this for 20 mins trying to look up things like "hoe to install wordpress on ubuntu"
[08:52] <meowbuntu> ok can you help me set it up its finished installing
[08:53] <jussi01> no
[08:53] <jussi01> 2 things, I dont have time and I cant remember how.
[08:53] <meowbuntu> y not
[08:53] <meowbuntu> ok thats ok
[08:59] <marsilainen> meowbuntu: perhaps you could ask in #wordpress if you need help with it? more people there would know about it I guess
[09:01] <meowbuntu> thanks
[09:23] <meowbuntu> are the restricted extras legal in new zealand
[09:24] <meowbuntu> i would like to know
[09:24] <marsilainen> no idea...
[09:25] <marsilainen> meowbuntu: maybe there is a ubuntu loco team for new zealand who would know?
[09:25] <marsilainen> meowbuntu: how about trying #ubuntu-nz?
[09:25] <marsilainen> meowbuntu: seems like a channel for ubuntu new zealand loco team
[14:40] <belak> how up to date are packages kept in ubuntustudio?
[18:13] <marcell> i just installed packages from ubuntustudio on top of karmic koala. is there a way in upgrade to ged rid off the attempt to install generic kernel instead of rt one.. or better question how to keep up better with ubuntustudio in karmic koala?
[18:21] <marsilainen> marcell: hmmm, so you've added the linux-rt packages, and now you don't want the system to update the normal kernel when there are updates, just the rt one?
[18:21] <marsilainen> marcell: I've not tried it, but once you're running from the rt kernel have you tried removing the linux-generic package?
[18:22] <marsilainen> I wonder if that would do it?
[18:22] <marsilainen> I guess you could play with the grub config so that it will always boot the rt kernel by default and then if the generic one gets updated then it wont matter anyway as it will still boot into the rt kernel as another approach?
[18:24] <marsilainen> marcell: also note that if you have more than one cpu core then rt only uses one core, which is one reason to keep the generic kernel there as well so that you have the option of switching to that when appropriate
[18:25] <marcell> marsilainen: thanx... i think i'll just keep it and keep grub with rt as default one
[18:25] <marsilainen> marcell: yeah, I think that's probably the best solution
[18:29] <marcell> marsilainen: thanx.. any other hint regarding upgrades?
[18:29] <marsilainen> I'm not sure what you mean?
[18:29] <marsilainen> ubuntustudio uses the same update management as regular ubuntu
[18:29] <marsilainen> so it should automatically prompt every now and then when there are new updates to install
[18:29] <marsilainen> is that what you mean?
[18:30] <marcell> marsilainen: i know that.. i just asked if you know of anything else whici you maybe experienced.. but nvm... thanx
[18:30] <marsilainen> sorry, can't think of anything obvious
[19:32] <Kentrel> Hey
[19:32] <Kentrel> I'm trying to install ubuntustudio from a USB drive and it aborts because I don't have a CD drive
[19:32] <Kentrel> How can I get around this?