[00:16] <Chronotoss> What's up guys and gals, anyone paying attention to chat?
[00:17] <valorie> well, it's not a chat chan
[00:17] <valorie> it's for help
[00:17] <valorie> we have #kubuntu-offtopic for chat
[00:19] <Chronotoss> I know, I just like to make sure people are listening before I ask for help valorie  ^^  ... but I just started to have a problem with Kmail and deleting and moving mail with my gmail account. I've already tried deleting everything and starting over. It was working till about a week ago. Was hoping someone might be able to point me to some reading or have an idea were i can track down what the problem is and fix it.
[00:21] <valorie> I would ask in #kde-pim
[00:21] <valorie> although it's rather late on a friday night for many of the devels
[00:22] <valorie> other option is to look for recent bug reports about that
[00:22] <valorie> or write to the list
[00:22] <valorie> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-pim
[00:23] <valorie> sorry, I've been unable to use kmail for some years
[00:23] <Chronotoss> Ohh? is there something wrong with Kmail?
[00:23] <valorie> on my systems, yes
[00:23] <valorie> many are using it happily
[00:23] <valorie> I know the devels and they are top-notch
[00:24] <genii> I stopped using it during kmail->kmail2 transition period
[00:24] <valorie> businesses use it so it gets good support
[00:24] <valorie> Chronotoss: best practice in an IRC help channel is to just go ahead and ask your question
[00:25] <valorie> many people have certain names/terms flagged
[00:26] <Chronotoss> So I guess in the mean time back to thunderbird.  Alright valorie, I'm still learning the ins-and-outs of IRC. Thanks for the advice! I'm always trying to learn ^^
[00:26] <valorie> it's worthwhile to talk to the devels, Chronotoss
[00:27] <valorie> before giving up
[00:27] <valorie> I gave up because of crashes, and haven't had time to try it again
[00:28] <Chronotoss> I never give up. Not till there are no options. I'll defiantly ask them and wait for a response!
[00:28] <valorie> great!
[00:29] <Chronotoss> Would it be correct to submit this as a bug or under discussion?
[01:42] <pasjrwoctx> Hello is anyone here?
[01:46] <mda_> yeah
[01:47] <pasjrwoctx> I have a problem, I can no longer access cameras or hard drives via usb as my own user.  I can only do it as root.  How do I fix it?
[04:17] <em> is it possible to be using kubuntu 16.04 now?
[04:54] <OerHeks> em as Alfa-1 test, sure http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20160121/
[05:29] <BluesKaj> evening folks
[05:40] <em> OerHeks: i really like the promise in kububntu 15.10 (fresh installed on my laptop ) and maybe it is just my bad laptop ut thereare a lotof bugs andalost unuale..
[05:40] <em> bbut if i ignore the bugs then i can see the potential is awesome
[05:41] <em> i just wish it could be less bugged.
[05:41] <em> like my kind of fubs are more than just announace... its doing stuff like suspending on me without warning.. even though i set power settings to never suspend.
[05:41] <em> and then some times when i restart itit has put randome widgetes all over the destop
[06:17] <solvarr> So what's up with kubuntu and canonical now?
[06:17] <solvarr> Is kubuntu still associated with Canonical?
[06:32] <valorie> pfff
[07:45] <em> why would solvar ask that ancient question and then just leave.
[07:45] <em> honestly im pretty sure the only reason why Kubuntu has promise and potential is because it isn't run by Canonical.
[08:13] <fossist> hey, i am having an issue while installing guest additions . i get this message https://paste.kde.org/pvw4g10zk  . i can't get into full scree mode  as the auto resize guest display optiion is greyed out
[08:15] <fossist> could anyone help me out with this issue ?
[08:17] <soee> sorry i never used that, can't help here :)
[08:22] <em> soee: hey do you use Kubuntu?
[08:23] <soee> Isn't it obvious?We are Kubuntu support channel :)
[08:23] <em> i don't like to be presumptuous : )
[08:23] <em> soee: do you use 15.10 ?
[08:24] <soee> nope, i'm on 16.04
[08:24] <em> i might actuall switch to that
[08:24] <em> maybe it will work better on this cheap laptop
[08:24] <em> i have a low end toshiba satellite
[08:25] <em> im not sure why it keeps suspending/sleeping even though i never want it to
[08:25] <em> i lissten to music at night.. fall asleep myself.. wake up and my laptop is suspended.
[08:26] <soee> hmm
[08:27] <soee> in System Settings -> Power Management try do disable suspend options
[08:27] <em> yes i will look again just to be sure
[08:28] <em> yeah i have unhecked everything that says suspend
[08:28] <em> even on low battery
[08:28] <em> i do have it turning off the screen but that's it
[08:29] <em> i bet it is a kernel thing.. does 16.04 have a newer kernel?
[08:30] <soee> hmm than i don't know, still i doubt upgrading to 16.04 will change here anything
[08:32] <em> soee: kubuntu loks nice and has great apps. I just wish it would work smoothly.
[08:32] <em> if it could just work smoothly as intended it would be pretty much perfect.
[08:43] <goddard> when i open a picture i downloaded in firefox it launches image viewer from unity's DE instead of the KDE image viewer
[08:43] <goddard> how can i fix this issue?
[08:47] <em> goddard: not sure this will work but try right clicking on it, "properties"  "file type options" and set the application to open it preference?
[08:48] <soee> System Settings -> Applications -> File Associations
[08:48] <soee> or as em suggests :)
[08:48] <em> "application preference order"
[08:48] <soee> and set Gwenview
[08:56] <goddard> checked that no dice
[08:56] <goddard> seems like firefox is reading something else
[08:57] <goddard> even when clickong on the download arrow icon and then clicking on the folder icon opens nautilus instead of dolphin and the file associations and default programs is set properly when logged into a KDE plasma session
[08:58] <goddard> its not set during compliation or some ubuntu specific patch is it?
[09:20] <acher88> Firefox may be looking at the default setting for gtk apps
[09:21] <acher88> In Nautilus you can try right click on the image > Properties
[09:23] <acher88> should allow you to change the default "open with" gtk application file association
[09:28] <acher88> ah. that is what em said a while back. does work here though as just tested and successfully switched to gwenview to open DL'd file from firefox
[09:29] <goddard> acher88: yeah that helped with opening images
[09:30] <goddard> acher88: might have to login to unity to change the default file manager though?
[09:31] <acher88> may just be able to run 'unity-control-centre' in kde.
[09:33] <acher88> though some options may be missing done that way
[09:50] <vino> hi
[09:51] <vino> I have upadted kubuntu yesterday
[09:51] <vino> Vlc player seems problem
[09:52] <vino> Cannot play video in full screen it displays 4:1
[09:56] <acher88> That is a known bug in qt5.5
[09:57] <acher88> kubuntu needs to either get qt5.6 in to the ppa/repos, or backport the fix
[09:58] <acher88> can be worked around in vlc by switching to a skinned non qt interface
[09:59] <acher88> or non gui display window
[10:00] <Smurphy> I have issue with vlc alltogether. No movie. I hear the audio, but nothing else. Using plasma 5.5.3
[10:00] <Smurphy> Anyone has that too ?
[10:03] <acher88> I did. was something to do with vaapi and the default setting for hardware accelerated decoding perhaps?
[10:03] <acher88> can't recall this second as was a week or 2 ago
[10:03] <acher88> your problem could be different though...
[10:06] <Smurphy> I had that too before plasms 5.5.3 ...
[10:06] <Smurphy> now it came back
[10:08] <acher88> vino: this is the qt bug https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-48321
[10:09] <acher88> and on the vlc bugtracker: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/15663
[10:09] <acher88> there are some forum threads somewhere where people have worked around it
[10:09] <Smurphy> vdpau_display vout display error: video mixer surface width capabilities query failure: VDP_STATUS_NO_IMPLEMENTATION
[10:09] <Smurphy> That's the error I get.
[10:10] <Smurphy> acher88: Thx.
[10:10] <acher88> you have a nvidia card?
[10:10] <Smurphy> No Indel HD4000
[10:10] <Smurphy> Intel - running on a mac mini 7,2
[10:11] <acher88> vdpau output isn't going to work then
[10:11] <Smurphy> nope.
[10:11] <acher88> accelerated decoding on intel is vaapi
[10:11] <Smurphy> yes. But not working either.
[10:12] <Smurphy> Use VA-API via DRM before, and it worked well, with accel etc.
[10:12] <Smurphy> Not since Plasm 5.5.3 though. I'll dig around :)
[10:13] <acher88> think I got it working on intel laptop with the vaapi x11 option?
[10:13] <acher88> now i remember
[10:13] <acher88> HD3000
[10:14] <acher88> mostly I use smplayer though :)
[10:15] <Smurphy> didn't try smplayer. Will check it out. Thx.
[10:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:16] <Smurphy> yo
[10:17] <Smurphy> Hmmm smplayer can't play back x265 encoded stuff. Missing the codexs :}
[10:17] <Smurphy> Mut for x264 it's fine :)
[10:21] <acher88> you can change the smplayer backend from mplayer to mpv which I think probably supports x265?
[10:21] <acher88> at least on newer versions anyway
[10:22] <lordievader> I think mpv depends on either ffmpeg or libav for its decoding.
[10:24] <acher88> ffmpef compiled in in the one I'm using
[10:24] <acher88> *ffmpeg
[10:27] <acher88> yep. just tested smplayer with latest mpv on an x265 mp4, and seems ok
[10:27] <acher88> smplayer from the default ubuntu repos may be tied to mplayer though
[10:28] <lordievader> acher88: What ffmpeg plugins do you have installed?
[10:31] <Smurphy> Lol smplayer brings no audio ";D
[10:31] <Smurphy> ok. I don't have time to check it out today. I'll figure it out another day :D
[10:32] <acher88> fair enough :)
[10:34] <acher88> lordievader: I actually compiled mpv from source, which includes a full built in ffmpeg build
[10:35] <lordievader> Ah, else Smurphy could see if he had those plugins installed too, oh well too bad.
[10:37] <acher88> yes. if you are ever bored, lol https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv-build
[10:39] <acher88> or don't mind trying 3rd party ppas https://launchpad.net/~mc3man/+archive/ubuntu/mpv-tests
[10:40] <lordievader> acher88: My mpv is compiled too (I run Gentoo ;))
[10:40] <Smurphy> lordievader: which plugins ?
[10:40] <acher88> hah!
[10:42] <Smurphy> Nah, not going to build stuff myself. I have given lots of my time in the past to the Linux/KDE community.
[10:42] <lordievader> Smurphy: That is allways the trick with ffmpeg, I never know what is in what plugin collection.
[10:42] <Smurphy> Now - I'm on retirement ;)
[10:43] <lordievader> Hmm, looking at the google search results, it seems h265 needs to be compiled into ffmpeg, that it ain't a seperate plugin.
[10:44] <acher88> I'll prob revert to provided packages once I upgrade this machine to xenial
[11:40] <faria> hi  guys
[11:41] <faria> i've just installaed kubuntu 14.04
[11:41] <faria> i'd like to activate the nVidia drivers for the 3d acc
[11:42] <faria> i have here in my control panel several version of the binary drivers
[11:42] <faria> what should i use ?
[11:57] <soee> faria: the one that supports your gpu, and is latest LTS
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:11] <xor_ax_ax> hi all
[15:55] <six86> Hello. Since I got a huge update yesterday (I'm on 15.10 with backports) my sound is broken. I only have a dummy device for output, the rest is greyed out.
[15:57] <lordievader> yofel: ^
[15:57] <lordievader> six86: Yofel noticed that problem this morning too, not sure if he had come up with a fix yet...
[16:04] <six86> yofel: lordievader: Just fixed it by "sudo apt-get remove --purge alsa-base pulseaudio" and "sudo apt-get install alsa-base pulseaudio"
[17:02] <sgo11> hi, I am running lubuntu 14.04. I just installed kubuntu-desktop and did reboot. but nothing happens. how can I change everything to kde? kdm is not installed by the package kubuntu-desktop. should I install it manually? thanks.
[17:07] <Maxiride_> sgo11: I don't remember exactly how to chaneg desktop enviroment. One thing for sure is that you need to remove the old one of course
[17:07] <Maxiride_> *change
[17:09] <Maxiride_> uh well If I'm not wrong you should be able to choose the desktop enviroment at the login prompt
[17:09] <Maxiride_> don't you have any drop down menu?
[17:12] <sgo11> Maxiride_, why do I need to remove the old one? I disagree. They should be able to co-exist. the drop-down menu is in lightdm because I am running lubuntu now. I don't think kubuntu is using lightdm by default.
[17:14] <Maxiride_> yeah my fault, removing the previous one is not needed. Anyway as far as I know the de should be selected at login. Trying to read a couple of docs meanwhile.
[17:17] <sgo11> Maxiride_, what does kubuntu use by default, kdm, lightdm, gdm etc??
[17:18] <Maxiride_> ssdm is the name of the package for the login screen
[17:18] <Maxiride_> sddm*
[17:18] <acher88> 14.04 was lightdm if I recall
[17:19] <acher88> only newer releases are sddm
[17:19] <sgo11> yeah, there is no sddm package in 14.04.
[17:19] <sgo11> acher88, if that is the case, how can I change everything to kubuntu instead? right now, my boot screen shows lubuntu logo.
[17:19] <acher88> if you log out you should get to whatever login manager is currently running
[17:20] <sgo11> acher88, i just want to change every look to kubuntu 14.04.
[17:21] <acher88> kubuntu has it's own plymouth startup splash and own lightdm theme
[17:21] <Maxiride_> a sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm should do the trick I suppose
[17:21] <acher88> you would have to install those
[17:21] <acher88> amd maybe configure them to be used if installing them doesn't auto-configure them as the default
[17:22] <sgo11> Maxiride_, I don't have kdm installed. I can install it only if kubuntu 14.04 is using kdm, but acher88 said kubuntu 14.04 was using lightdm.
[17:22] <acher88> kdm is separate, but yes it would at least be a more 'kde' look
[17:23] <acher88> 'lightdm-kde-greeter' is the kde them for lightdm
[17:24] <sgo11> acher88, Maxiride_ thank you both for the help. I will try both kdm and lightdm-kde-greeter (lightdm).
[17:26] <acher88> lightdm can be fiddly switching greeters, and sometimes requires you to edit the lightdm config file to do so
[17:27] <acher88> kdm will probably work out of the box, but will be kde themed rather than specifically kubuntu I think
[17:28] <sgo11> acher88, got it. thanks. why don't kubuntu use kdm instead of sddm? is kdm slow?
[17:29] <acher88> not that, but cant remember the exact reason now
[17:30] <sgo11> acher88, no worries. thanks. :)
[17:30] <em> i have one of the strangest issues.. my laptops keeps suspeding if i don't use it for long enough.. even though i have unchecked all suspends in power-manager.  Also when i wake up in the morning and lift the lid of the laptp there's ton of random windows that have been opened..like this morning it was a million copies of Chrome all opened...
[17:30] <acher88> may just have been to match the other ubuntu 'flavours' so that you just had to change the greeter, not install a whole new display manager to switch
[17:31] <sgo11> acher88, got it. cheers.
[17:31] <em> has anyone even heard of such a strange issue?
[17:32] <acher88> is there another power manager running somewhere in background? gnome or xfce4 power manager for example
[17:33] <sgo11> thanks for all the help. I will reboot this machine to try new login manger. bye.
[17:39] <Maxiride_> em are you sure to have disabled also "suspend when screen closed"?
[17:40] <Maxiride_> maybe you just changed the standby timers
[17:44] <em> Maxiride_: i dont think so but i'll check again. Im going to take some screen shots
[19:49] <em> Maxiride: are you still there?
[19:49] <em> nnnj/w 3
[19:53] <Maxiride> em yep I'm back
[19:53] <Maxiride> what's up?
[19:55] <Maxiride> btw I don't know why but all the compiz effects are gone after a simple reboot. Theoptions however are checked and turned on in the system settings.
[20:00] <MichaelTunnell> Maxiride: why are you using compiz on Kubuntu?
[20:01] <Maxiride> MichaelTunnell: well actually I  thought the desktop effects already implemented in kubuntu were from compiz
[20:02] <MichaelTunnell> Maxiride: nope, compiz is not used in KDE at all those are powered by KWin
[20:02] <Maxiride> ah
[20:02] <Maxiride> well lol
[20:02] <Maxiride> good to know ahah
[20:02] <Maxiride> my fault sorry
[20:03] <MichaelTunnell> well now that's clear which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[20:03] <Maxiride> so KWin is not working anymore. I've tried to reboot again, no change.
[20:03] <Maxiride> I'm with 15.10 ppa backports landing
[20:03] <em> Maxiride: i was mentioning that my laptop suspends/sleeps (not sure the right word for that ) if i stop using it long enougheven though  i never want it to... here's y power settings in the first three pictures.. the last two pictures how this other wierd thing my laptop dowhich is that ofeten when i resume there is a ton of weird extra stuff randomly opened or added.. like widgets or windows opened .. http://imgur.com/a/YChcK
[20:04] <MichaelTunnell> I seriously doubt KWin broke from just a reboot. Were updates applied or anything?
[20:04] <em> Since valorie recommended turning off restore-session i have not had widgets randomly added to the desktop or pannel at least.
[20:04] <em> but i still woke up to find like 100 copies of Chrome opened up for no reason.
[20:04] <MichaelTunnell> brb
[20:05] <Maxiride> well em that's really damn weird. Regarding the standby part of the issue I don't have anything more to suggest since you indeed disabled all the options.
[20:06] <em> Yeah
[20:06] <em> I wonder if its a kernel issue with this toshiba satellite
[20:06] <em> do you think the newer kubuntu will have a different kernel?
[20:06] <Maxiride> do you mean 16.04?
[20:06] <em> yeah
[20:07] <Maxiride> dunno
[20:07] <em> i thought a toshiba satellite might run linux pretty well.
[20:07] <Maxiride> I know this might be a dumb question, but do you already tried searching in internet similar issues?
[20:07] <em> It's really a shame because if it would just work smoothly i think this kubuntu is the best distro ive seen in years.
[20:08] <em> Maxiride: not on the standby thing
[20:08] <Maxiride> Honestly speaking your issue is the first I hear in its kind, so don't misjudge the distro only on an isue that -no offense- at the state of the art seems to involve only your machine
[20:09] <Maxiride> I'm even with the backports-landing ppa which is quite -not 100%- stable and I'm really fine
[20:09] <em> Yeah its probaly something I did wrong.
[20:09] <Maxiride> i'll try to google a bit too your issue
[20:09] <em> i installed it with unetbootin but i didn't turn off efi i don't know if that's why
[20:11] <Maxiride>  I don't know how it could relate to this issue, but generally speaking unetbootin often caused many other issue on the ubuntu-it channel.
[20:11] <Maxiride> There they suggest to use directly the dd command
[20:14] <Maxiride> em: have you checked in the power managment menu which % is set as critical for the batteyr?
[20:17] <mimimoma> Guys, why it's not possible to do "extract here" in dolphin? I used to be able to do it
[20:18] <soee> Dolphin was ported to KF5 so not all features are there yet.
[20:18] <soee> probably in next version id shoudl change
[20:19] <Maxiride> i'm with backports-landing and I have the menu back working
[20:19] <mimimoma> ahh
[20:19] <mimimoma> ok thanks soee
[20:21] <Maxiride> I tried to enter tty1 and do killall kwin -> kwin no process found
[20:22] <Maxiride> how that's possibile?
[20:31] <dan> Maxiride: it's probably called kwin_x11
[20:32] <Maxiride> dan: thanks you're right. Anyway killing kwin and restarting it didn't brought back the visual effects of the desktop
[20:32] <Maxiride> D:
[20:37] <em> Maxiride: i had not adjusted that part.. critical is set to 5 percent
[20:38] <em> I just changed that to do nothing also.
[20:39] <Maxiride> Solved my issue btw, had to kill plasmashell instead of kwin
[20:40] <Maxiride> really odd that the issue persisted acroos reboots
[20:40] <MichaelTunnell> good to know
[20:40] <MichaelTunnell> indeed
[20:40] <MichaelTunnell> I'm having bugs with latest update for backports as well
[20:40] <MichaelTunnell> always gotta be something :)
[20:41] <Maxiride> yeah solved this one, a new one already appeared xD
[20:41] <Maxiride> videos inside VLC are not resizing with the window
[20:42] <Maxiride> and even if entering fullscreenmode the video remains a little rectangle in the upper left corner
[20:42] <Maxiride> damn
[21:00] <Maxiride> plasmashell just said goodbye with a segmentation fault crash D:
[21:04] <Maxiride> Ehm wanted to report it but the debug tracker prompted me to install additional debug symbols, after clicking install debug symbols a warning box appeats saying "impossibile to find the missing debug symbols package for this application"
[21:05] <Maxiride> hence I'm unable to submit the bug report 'cause the information provided are not enough, please install the debug symbols.
[21:05] <Maxiride> it's a loop.
[22:07] <excognac> hi all, anybody here with good understanding of UEFI/legacy? I googled around extensively, could find a solution for the following: I installed kubuntu14.04 (UEFI mode) on the entire hdd of a laptop (shipped with freedos). Now, if I set uefi boot in the bios , it's checking media and can't find hdd. so I have to boot in legacy. then kubuntu runs, not flawless though. Any ideas?
[22:18] <bprompt> hmm  excognac   dunno myself.. haven't run into that one
[22:22] <excognac> bprompt: what might help: I can't see the cca. 500mb partition which supposed to be my efi partition. https://paste.kde.org/pxfcrdj37 is it possible it's installed in legacy mode then?
[22:23] <bprompt> it's possible, yes
[22:28] <excognac> bprompt: alright thanks. it will be anyway resintalled,  i always use separate / and /home


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[03:18] <Unit193> (Sorry)
[03:23] <Unit193> So, as far as translations go we have several things supporting it, and several that do not such as thunar-print which uses notify-send to display messages in English only.
[03:23] <Unit193> https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/tree/usr/share/polkit-1/actions I'd still really like it if we could upstream that. :/
[03:25] <bluesabre> I agree
[03:37] <Unit193> When I had poked about that, codebrainz didn't seem too interested.  Would you have better luck?  Does AndreLDM have some control over that pkg?
[03:45] <bluesabre> Yeah, I can bring it up again
[03:47] <Unit193> Thanks!
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[12:16] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks for that note about thunar-print, I'll see if I can get that translatable today
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[12:17] <Unit193> Hello.  OK!
[12:17] <bluesabre> other than that, everything should be translatable again now :)
[12:23] <Unit193> Bash scripts aren't too hard to add translation support to, with that script you'd mainly just adjust it so rather than repeating lines you add FailMsg= or so.
[12:23] <Unit193> (I have a crappy weather script with translations support.)
[14:32] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Make thunar-print translatable @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=c2a577572bfb89b55c70d205cfa3510292dbe6c3 (by Sean Davis)
[14:33] <bluesabre> Unit193: look sane? ^
[14:34] <Unit193> Err..
[14:38] <bluesabre> (ish)
[14:38] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Convert Makefile spaces to tabs @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=77f51ab66ba71a34408adf1d304599714297d979 (by Sean Davis)
[14:44] <Unit193> You realize you can just put  TEXTDOMAIN=thunar-print  then use 'echo $"All script options:"'  ?
[14:45] <Unit193> (There's a newer, nicer way to do it, but I can't remember what.)
[14:46] <bluesabre> I didn't realize that... the google searches made it out to be harder
[14:46] <bluesabre> I'll give it a go though
[14:47] <bluesabre> Oh, does that play well with variable expansion (e.g. File %s failed to print)
[14:49] <Unit193> I have line+=$"Observed: $obtime"
[14:50] <bluesabre> Ah... ../thunar-print:10: warning: the syntax $"..." is deprecated due to security reasons; use eval_gettext instead
[14:50] <Unit193> https://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/localization.html
[14:50] <Unit193> Aha!
[14:50] <bluesabre> Thanks
[14:51] <Unit193> That's the function I was thinking of.
[14:54] <Unit193> https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Preparing-Shell-Scripts.html might be way better...
[14:59] <Unit193> eval_gettext () { gettext "$1" | (export PATH `envsubst --variables "$1"`; envsubst "$1")
[14:59] <Unit193> Heh, doesn't seem like it'd be any faster after all.
[15:01] <bluesabre> :D
[15:01] <bluesabre> Think I've got it
[15:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GHrfhBx9fR/ how's that?
[15:03] <bluesabre> Interestingly intltool is still dumb with eval_gettext
[15:09] <Unit193> ...Is it overthinking it to use "$program does not seem to be installed" and just change the program rahter than re-translating it 4 times? :D
[15:09] <Unit193> (Likely, yes.  I'll shut it now)  Seems good?
[15:09] <bluesabre> That's a good point
[15:18] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Better gettext handling, simpler translations @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=6e9091cdc9a62b7b8efe905f629586f0b8ab02f9 (by Sean Davis)
[15:18] <bluesabre> As always, thanks Unit193
[15:19] <Unit193> Thank you, bluesabre!  And huh, did not know #: ../thunar-print:27 ../thunar-print:36 ../thunar-print:45 ../thunar-print:56  was a thing.
[21:51] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Use 'Print file(s)' instead of 'Print file/s' @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=3d89b1b0e5d1683dc783a815ada17fe20570b7d8 (by Sean Davis)


[00:22] <Eickmeyer> Interesting.
[00:24] <Eickmeyer> kryten: Yeah, when I argue that to my boss he hits me with "We AlWAyS DEfIne VARiaBLes FirST!!!!11" so it's just habit.
[00:26] <kryten> Sounds like your boss ain't into code efficiency then.. XD
[00:27] <Eickmeyer> Considering he's been coding since the 80s, I don't argue.
[00:31] <kryten> I mean as a general rule and if it's cheap then why not, but in this particular case there are two commands being run that could be spared otherwise.
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> If I have something else to mess with in that package, I'll change it.
[00:31] <kryten> Fair.
[03:24] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: if you like maybe add what you did in controls to the changelog
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: Sure, I should be able to get to that eventually.
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: Done
[22:54] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: TY


[17:29] <Chocobo> Hello.  What comes after generating the SSH key pair?  I created a snapshot of an image and when I try to boot it seems to hang after initializing SSH.  Is there a way to disable cloud-init with a kernel/grub parameter?
[17:40] <Chocobo> hrmmm.  I even tried setting "init=/bin/bash" and "single"  to no avail.   Interestingly on the first boot the log shows a root prompt but the vnc console just shows a black screen with a blinking cursor.
[18:02] <Chocobo> I am not sure what is causing this.
[18:25] <bjweaver> Still trying to get cloud-init to run the user-data script on an ISO..  The script is on the ISO as openstack/latest/user_data
[18:26] <bjweaver> I turned up logging as harlowja suggested , added  output: {all: '|tee -a /var/log/cloud-init-output.log} to cloud.cfg
[18:27] <bjweaver> Only thing in the log is a warning about 2012-08-10 not available and attempting to use 'latest'
[18:36] <bjweaver> might be magically working now
[18:59] <smoser> Chocobo, i can't answer you if you're not here.
[18:59] <smoser> bjweaver, working ?
[19:36] <harlowja_> harmw yt
[19:37] <harlowja_> smoser also, u might be interested in
[19:37] <harlowja_> http://paste.openstack.org/show/61294/ (config rc.d script for cloud-init)
[19:37] <harlowja_> *an inital attempt, feedback wanted (from sean)
[19:38] <harlowja_> http://paste.openstack.org/show/61295/ (cloud-final)
[19:38] <harlowja_> http://paste.openstack.org/show/61296/ (cloud-init)
[19:39] <harlowja_> http://paste.openstack.org/show/61297/ (cloud-init-local)
[19:39] <harlowja_> any feedback welcome
[19:39] <harlowja_> ^^ for freebsd
[19:39] <smoser> well i think that functions with a '-' in their name are not posix shell
[19:39] <harlowja_> k
[19:40] <smoser> $ dash -c 'foo-bar() {echo hi}'
[19:40] <smoser> dash: 1: Syntax error: Bad function name
[19:40] <harlowja_> ya
[19:40] <harlowja_> comment fwded ;)
[19:40] <smoser> actually, they dont even work for bash :)
[19:41] <smoser> $ bash -c 'foo-bar() {echo hi;}'
[19:41] <smoser> bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{echo'
[19:41] <smoser> bash: -c: line 0: `foo-bar() {echo hi;}'
[19:42] <harmw> oh my, he's used - and _ as well :p
[19:43] <harlowja_> :-p
[19:43] <harlowja_> i told him, haha
[19:52] <harmw> harlowja_: i'm looking at 61296, I think lines 17 and 28 won't work this way
[19:52] <harmw> and command=bla differs between the different files :)
[19:55] <harlowja_> kk, let me bug him as this
[20:54] <bjweaver> smoser - I believe so.. I had to move the scripts-* up to the cloud_init_modules section. I haven't found docs on how init vs config vs final stages work. Seems our init scripts only run the init section.
[20:55] <smoser> bjweaver, ubuntu?
[20:55] <smoser> you dont want those in the modules section
[20:55] <smoser> as running in modules section does not guarantee network
[20:55] <bjweaver> This is the opensuse package port of cloud-init
[20:56] <smoser> i wonder are you getting networking from the config-drive ?
[20:56] <bjweaver> networking is coming from a DHCP server.
[20:57] <bjweaver> This is a project we are doing under VMware.
[22:14] <grepory> does documentation exist for logging configuration? cloud-init isn't generating new ssh host keys when it's being run, and i can't figure out why... the debug logs do not have anything useful in them.
[22:17] <grepory> As far as I can tell, logging is configured at level debug, but ... i would expect to see something about modules running at the very least, but that is not the case.
[22:18] <grepory> Ah because it is supposed to bail if it doesn't find a datasource. I was expecting it to use "None" as I configured it to in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg, but to no avail.
[22:19] <grepory> datasource_list: ["NoCloud", "ConfigDrive", "OVF", "MAAS", "Ec2", "CloudStack", "None"]
[22:19] <grepory> is this insufficient?
[22:19] <grepory> or incorrect?
[22:26] <grepory> ugh n/m. figured out how config resolution works.
[22:28] <grepory> and that the None datasource isn't actually something you can use.
[23:43] <harlowja_> smoser harmw so scripts are fixed, sean i think will also package this sucker into the freebsd ports repository once it works
[23:43] <harlowja_> so +1


[12:17] <nrg88> manchicken|away: when you get back: i could not reproduce it, if you have time and maybe a backtrace, you could report it on http://bugs.kde.org/
[01:46] <manchicken> nrg88: Thanks.  Wil do.
[01:46] <manchicken> will*
[01:46] <manchicken> Time to try my new PalmOS phone in KDE...
[01:49] <nixternal> which phone did you get?
[01:49] <manchicken> Treo 700
[01:49] <nixternal> PalmOS and KPilot work great, but you might want to checkout from KDE SVN the latest KitchenSync for it
[01:49] <nixternal> I think the version of KitchenSync in Kubuntu is rather broken
[01:50] <nixternal> KPilot is spit image of the silly Palm Desktop actually
[01:50] <nixternal> it may not automatically see your device though if you run an auto check
[01:51] <manchicken> Does it integrate with kontact?
[01:55] <manchicken> Do I have to install anything other than kpilot to get it to work?
[01:55] <manchicken> It looks like it's looking for /dev/pilot, but there is no such device...
[02:01] <manchicken> Gotta go.  Back later.
[07:45] <DaSkreech> manchicken: awake?
[07:46] <nixternal> he is trying to sync his new treo, and losing his hair while trying
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Ah I was wondering if Pupeno2's experience would be of help to him
[07:47] <manchicken> Yeah.
[07:48] <manchicken> I'm having to install stuff using the windows thing.
[07:48] <manchicken> Stupid Verizon gave me all this extra palm software, but it requires the palm desktop program to install it.
[07:48] <manchicken> Garbage.
[07:48] <manchicken> LMAO
[07:48] <manchicken> "***IS_STRING_NOT_DEFINED*** is the message that just showed up in this dialog.
[07:51] <nixternal> manchicken: I use KPilot to install applications
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Yeah I was just thinking that
[07:51] <nixternal> I install everything, and I mean everything
[07:51] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I'm going to try triage this guy first
[07:53] <manchicken> No, I mean this thing is using a weird format.
[07:53] <manchicken> But if you can help me figure out how to sync DATA, that'd rock pretty hard.
[07:53] <manchicken> I'd appreciate it greatly :)
[07:54] <nixternal> manchicken: you know what, the conduits do work in Kontact, they are just hidden
[07:54] <nixternal> that is right
[07:54] <nixternal> I syncd my addressbook
[07:54] <nixternal> and my calendar
[07:55] <nixternal> under Kontact, go to Settings > Kontact
[07:55] <nixternal> there you will see the KPilot Configuration
[07:55] <nixternal> in there you can select what you want to sync
[07:55] <nixternal> I forgot about that, sorry
[07:57] <nixternal> the only thing I can't do is email with mine because the default palm email app is garbage
[07:58] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:58] <manchicken> Right, but the logs say that it doesn't work.
[07:59] <manchicken> And palm desktop went stupid on vista, so I'm doing another restore point.
[07:59] <manchicken> I really hope that they did better with the restore points in vista than they did on xp.
[07:59] <DaSkreech> manchicken: does the kubuntu upgrade tool update the version of adept?
[07:59] <manchicken> I've hit that like 6 times now.
[08:00] <manchicken> DaSkreech: You mean the silly message that adept shows you when it's done updating?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Well there is apparently a slew of folks in the channel who followed the instructions but don't get the upgrade tool triggered
[08:01] <DaSkreech> I'm trying to figure out if they did an update
[08:01] <manchicken> I don't think they did.
[08:01] <DaSkreech>  they say the Full upgrade button is disabled
[08:01] <DaSkreech> well one guy does :-)
[08:01] <manchicken> Which guy?
[08:02] <DaSkreech> pupeno2
[08:02] <DaSkreech> ok he said he got the wizard a while back but didn't want to upgrade
[08:03] <DaSkreech>  now he does how does he invoke the wizard?
[08:04] <manchicken> There is no upgrade
[08:04] <manchicken> If he's running feisty, I think it's a bug in adept.
[08:04] <DaSkreech> He's in Edgy
[08:04] <manchicken> Don't know who put it there (I haven't touched that side of the code in some time).
[08:05] <manchicken> I don't think we're upgrading people through adept just yet.
[08:05] <DaSkreech> he wants to upgrade to feisty
[08:06] <manchicken> Ah.
[08:06] <manchicken> Send him to the wiki page in /topic
[08:07] <DaSkreech> He's done that
[08:08] <manchicken> Then he should be on feisty.
[08:08] <DaSkreech> But there are no updates so he can't click the Full upgrade button
[08:08] <manchicken> Interesting.
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Nope :-)
[08:08] <manchicken> And you're certain he set up the repos?
[08:09] <DaSkreech> He did the thing with adding the new repos
[08:09] <DaSkreech>  he updated and it asked him if he wanted to upgrade to feisty
[08:09] <DaSkreech>  he said no
[08:09] <DaSkreech>  since two weeks ago he didn't want to
[08:09] <DaSkreech>  now he does want to
[08:10] <DaSkreech> but he has no updates available in adept and he doesn't know how to get it to prompt him to upgrade to feisty again
[08:10] <manchicken> Did he fetch updates again?>
[08:10] <manchicken> And are the repo changes still there?
[08:11] <DaSkreech> http://paste.lisp.org/display/39350
[08:11] <DaSkreech> that's his sources.list
[08:12] <manchicken> Also, make sure he hits fetch updates
[08:12] <manchicken> Yeah, he's missing the repos.
[08:13] <manchicken> And why does he have a debian repo in there?
[08:13] <DaSkreech> I don't know
[08:13] <DaSkreech>  I was wondering that too
[08:13] <poningru> http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/122
[08:14] <DaSkreech> manchicken: which repo is he missing?
[08:15] <manchicken> Any of 'em
[08:15] <manchicken> I understand he's just using a mirror of one, but why don't we, for the sake of keeping it simple, use the one outlined in JR's wiki?
[08:16] <DaSkreech> isn't the edgy-proposed sufficent ?
[08:16] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Oh the gb one?
[08:19] <manchicken> Yeah
[08:20] <manchicken> I don't know if that's sufficient or not.
[08:20] <DaSkreech> I don't think the gb makes a difference really
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Who did the upgrade tol?
[08:22] <DaSkreech> tool?
[08:22] <manchicken> JR
[08:23] <DaSkreech> hmmm
[08:23] <DaSkreech> no idea how it's invoked?
[08:27] <manchicken> Not really.
[08:31] <DaSkreech> :-(
[08:33] <DaSkreech> any documentation on it?
[08:33] <manchicken> That wiki page :)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> heehee
[08:36] <manchicken> I wonder if the reason I couldn't sync stuff is because kontact was open.
[08:37] <manchicken> Nope.  Still nothing.
[10:50] <giangy> 'morning
[11:30] <Tm_T> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:30] <Tm_T> hmm, am I only one?
[11:30] <Tm_T> ah, it's gone
[11:30] <Tm_T> weird though
[12:03] <fdoving> Tm_T: /etc/cron.daily/apt might lock that.
[12:31] <Tm_T> fdoving: hmh, daily is runned by night
[12:39] <fdoving> Tm_T: yes, it's the only thing i can think of that locks /var/lib/apt/lists/ without user-intervention.
[12:40] <Tm_T> fdoving: that's what I think too, anyway, weird timing, right after boot
[12:40] <fdoving> that could be it.
[12:40] <Tm_T> there's been over 10 power outages in last 14 hours
[12:41] <Tm_T> here too :p
[12:41] <fdoving> anacron will probably try to do the tasks not accomplished yet.
[12:41] <Tm_T> hmm, that would be nasty
[12:42] <fdoving> it's why we use anacron, and not cron.
[12:43] <Tm_T> hmm, that would explain few things
[12:43] <fdoving> http://qtnode.net/pastebin/2673
[12:43] <fdoving> from 'man anacron'
[12:44] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:44] <Tm_T> now I know why sometimes my system gets slow after boot :p
[12:45] <fdoving> :)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken|away: surely the "upgrade to the new release" and the dialog box saying that it's downloading the changelog thing should be greyed out / hidden?
[07:47] <ded> mhb: hi your solution for port gdebi was better than mine ! can i help you on it ? what have you done?
[08:46] <x3m-tux> hello
[08:47] <x3m-tux> some more have font problems here in kubuntu?
[08:48] <x3m-tux> hmm al are sleeping here :-(
[08:56] <fdoving> does the intel 950 work with dualhead? i'm thinking of buying a laptop with one of those graphic adapters.
[08:56] <fdoving> preferably mergedfb
[09:18] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Ping
[11:26] <yuriy> hey manchicken
[11:51] <fdoving> so bug 61946 should've been fixed before feisty.
[11:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[11:52] <yuriy> btw automounting doesn't seem to be working for my card reader right now..
[11:54] <fdoving> can't be that hard to make a progress bar.
[11:54] <fdoving> for the unmounting part.


[07:24] <pwnguin> who is troy james sobotka?
[21:23] <kwwii> re
[22:41] <Salane> Hey
[22:45] <Salane> Are you there kwwii?
[22:52] <kwwii> Salane: hi
[22:52] <Salane> Hey
[22:52] <Salane> How are you?
[22:52] <kwwii> Salane: good, tired a bit but doing ok so far :-) and you?
[22:53] <Salane> I am very tired- been working in a very hot lab for the past 10 hours :(
[22:53] <Salane> But ok everall :D
[22:53] <Salane> So how do you think the wiki's have turned out?
[22:54] <Salane> At least the font wiki.
[22:54] <kwwii> hehe, while in college I worked part time in the evenings in a small chemical lab...I know the feeling
[22:54] <Salane> Oh yeah- similar experience then.
[22:55] <kwwii> I think that the wiki, especially the fonts stuff, has turned out great
[22:56] <Salane> We need a better push for icons - and perhaps some better guidelines. People on the forum thought they were too restricting.
[22:56] <kwwii> yes, people will tend to say that, but in the end, it is very restricting
[22:56] <Salane> I have messed around with it, and I think the human icons would look so much better just with different colors and less glose.
[22:56] <Salane> gloss*
[22:57] <kwwii> any group of people working on artwork are going to find some things restricting, making one style and working forwards can be very hard at times
[22:57] <kwwii> even more so when none of the actual artists have the final decision
[22:57] <Salane> Yes - very understandable
[22:58] <kwwii> I've worked with Mark for a couple of years now and I have a pretty good feeling of what he likes in the current artwork and what he does not
[22:58] <kwwii> so as far as the folder goes I think he sees that as one of the cornerstones of the theme
[22:58] <Salane> Did you read his interview?
[22:58] <Salane> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=852363
[22:59] <Salane> It really is - that is why it needs to be updated, but still retain the human look and feel.
[22:59] <kwwii> nope, let me check that out
[22:59] <kwwii> I think that the hard gloss line on the top could be played with a bit, perhaps as well as the general form
[23:00] <kwwii> but I know that the subtle radial gradient starting at a yellowish tone and going to orange from the bottom of the folder is a must
[23:00] <Salane> Do you know who created the originals
[23:00] <kwwii> he really likes that effect
[23:00] <kwwii> yes, an artist we paid at iconfactory
[23:00] <Salane> I dont know about yellow- I think a good brown/orange looks amazing
[23:01] <kwwii> yeah, I like brown too :-)
[23:01] <Salane> I have a Panel image I created that kind of represents a good direction, IMO, for the color overall
[23:01] <Salane> I will send it your email
[23:02] <kwwii> in the end, I work directly under him so I have two opinions: my personal opinion and my proffesional opinion :-)
[23:02] <kwwii> cool, I suggest that we keep up the discussion and hope that some artists bite
[23:03] <kwwii> until now the lack of artists is what has prevented us from moving forward
[23:03] <Salane> Ok so I think we are moving well with fonts - we need to really make a decision about what to do for icons.
[23:03] <Salane> Yes
[23:03] <Salane> Now I believe its the lack of time and programmers
[23:03] <kwwii> the art team needs to show that they can handle a bigger project before they will be taken seriously, I think
[23:03] <Salane> It isnt very cohesive.
[23:03] <Salane> The art team.
[23:06] <kwwii> hehe, you think?
[23:06] <Salane> haha
[23:06] <Salane> Have you taken a look at the panel i sent you?
[23:08] <kwwii> just got it...I am not sure if it is possible to use semi-transparent pics without any bugs
[23:08] <kwwii> but the general tone is nice
[23:09] <kwwii> although you should know now that anyone who supports brown is going to get a lot of comments about feces and such
[23:09] <Salane> Well I didnt mean to do that! I jsut noticed it was transparent. I can change that.
[23:09] <Salane> Well it is slightly orange, and I can make it more orange...
[23:09] <kwwii> _MMA_: ping? do you know if it is possible to use semi-transparent pngs in the panel?
[23:10] <kwwii> ping about pngs
[23:10] <Salane> It relaly comes down to what is wanted by Mark,and what the users want...
[23:10] <kwwii> the funny thing about orange/brown/red is that they all overlap and the human sees them strangely
[23:10] <Salane> Good point
[23:10] <kwwii> overall it is a sucky color range to have to use homogenous colors
[23:11] <Salane> Should we then procede with more orange, more brown, or a mix? Or something different?
[23:11] <kwwii> I think that we should see what people want
[23:11] <kwwii> I have a palette
[23:11] <kwwii> which I guess I could finally put online
[23:11] <kwwii> erm, if I haven't already
[23:12] <Salane> I have seen it- but it has a wide range of colors.
[23:12] <Salane> I remeber doing a poll one time on the forums
[23:13] <Salane> it was very evenly split among the color choices
[23:13] <Salane> Oh is this a new palette?
[23:14] <kwwii> well, we started making a palette during hardy (which is on the wiki in incoming/Hardy or such)
[23:14] <kwwii> and I actually finished it and it has been approved
[23:14] <kwwii> so...I should move the hardyDesign page somewhere else
[23:14] <Salane> Is it the one that was sent out over the email a few weeks ago?
[23:14] <kwwii> rename it and revamp it
[23:14] <kwwii> yeah, I think I sent it to the list
[23:14] <kwwii> it would have been in the form of pdf, as well as installable palettes
[23:15] <Salane> Yes I have it
[23:15] <Salane> and used it to make this gradient
[23:15] <Salane> its a brown gradient with a transparent orange layer on top
[23:15] <Salane> but I think i made the gradient transparent too
[23:16] <kwwii> the panel themeing will depend heavily on the gtk and metacity theme
[23:17] <Salane> true- I jsut made it as a display of good colors. I think though that while the panels could look like that, that the metacity and gtk controls in the theme should be much lighter -
[23:19] <kwwii> yes, we will use a light control and windeco theme in any case
[23:19] <Salane> Good
[23:20] <Salane> But I think we need to avoid grey at all costs.
[23:20] <_MMA_> re: transparent panel. The "semi" part will get the color of the desktop behind it. So yes. Its possiable.
[23:20] <kwwii> _MMA_: even with the system tray?
[23:21] <_MMA_> Oh sorry. Lemmie check that, and one more thing out.
[23:21] <kwwii> Salane: in the end, the colors are not totally grey...the have a slight amount of saturation
[23:22] <Salane> I think though that since both Windows and OS X use it- and it doesnt really look that good- that we could at least do white or a very light mocha color.
[23:23] <kwwii> yes, that was supposed to one part of using a dark theme, to break people's ideas that there is a given color for all themes
[23:24] <kwwii> so from the dark theme it will be easy to switch to a lighter, more saturated theme I think
[23:25] <_MMA_> kwwii: Yes. It works through the system tray. But this is setting the panel image through the panel properties. Let me see what happens when its done through the theme. (the only way this *should* be done.)
[23:25] <kwwii> Salane: btw, I am pretty much always logged into irc on my server so if you register your nick you can /query or /msg me and i will get the message eventually
[23:25] <Salane> I see- I am using a web site to use this.
[23:25] <kwwii> lol
[23:25] <kwwii> meebo?
[23:26] <Salane> Mibbiit
[23:26] <_MMA_> Salane: Use Pidgin or xchat.
[23:26] <Salane> Oh yeah I forgot pidgin could do it
[23:26] <Salane> give me a second...
[23:26] <kwwii> Salane: btw, that is an interesting name, where does it come from?
[23:27] <kwwii> sounds french but I am not a french name expert
[23:27] <Salane> I am not sure. I was named after my biological father. My grandmother on that side thought is was Alaskan American, but I have not been able to find a source.
[23:27] <Salane> My middle name however, is French.
[23:28] <Salane> How do I join this channel in Pidgen? I used to know how but I am lost :(
[23:29] <kwwii> type /join #ubuntu-artwork
[23:29] <_MMA_> kwwii: When a panel image is used through the theme, it takes on the UI color. Not the color (or transparency) I suspect someone would be after.
[23:29] <kwwii> erm, not sure in pidgin
[23:29] <Salan1> There you go.
[23:29] <Salan1> I am now in Pidgen.
[23:29] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, in any case it might make things hard when you want to change color and such
[23:30] <kwwii> Salan1: cool :-)
[23:30] <Salan1> What would make things hard?
[23:30] <kwwii> if I changed to another color it would effect the brown/orange color
[23:30] <_MMA_> Salan1: Type: /nick Salane
[23:30] <kwwii> so you will always be playing a catch up game of what color you really want
[23:31] <Salane> Thanks
[23:31] <kwwii> and remember that the color for the panel is defined in the gtkrc and might be a mix of other colors
[23:31] <Salane> I have seen themes with different panel colors than the Window color
[23:31] <kwwii> sure, that is very normal and nothing wrong with that
[23:31] <kwwii> but if a user sets a color themselves it will effect the panel as well
[23:32] <Salane> Oh true.
[23:32] <kwwii> in a way that they cannot control
[23:33] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well, what it means is when you set the panel "in-theme", the part you would want transparent takes on the UI color. Where-as setting it through the panel properties actually lets the image be transparent and fades into the desktop.
[23:33] <Salane> Well the panel doesnt have to be transparent.
[23:33] <_MMA_> But the latter sets the panel image no matter what theme the user chooses.
[23:33] <kwwii> _MMA_: I am talking about when you set a theme and then change the colors
[23:34] <Salane> Ok
[23:34] <kwwii> I have nothing against the panel being transparent, really, I just want to reduce the amount of error when a user selects colors
[23:34] <Salane> I understand now./
[23:34] <kwwii> then again, maybe I am wrong :p
[23:35] <Salane> Well perhaps the theme will look so good, no one will want to! :D
[23:35] <kwwii> sure, but I wonder if _MMA_ agrees with me :/
[23:35] <kwwii> lol, yeah, we can all hope that the forum sings praises of us
[23:35] <_MMA_> kwwii: No. Your still missing what I said. :P The color picker does switch the colors behind the panel image though.
[23:36] <_MMA_> Salane: It's not about pleasing users. Its about wowing Mark. ;)
[23:36] <Salane> Well that is doable. I made a friend on deviant art who is amazing at Gnome themes. he can do things I only dreamed of before.
[23:36] <Salane> I will invite him to join the artwork team.
[23:37] <Salane> Well lets go back to icons.
[23:37] <kwwii> hehe, he pays me to take care of that
[23:37] <Salane> We need to make some decisions.
[23:37] <kwwii> erm, mark I meant
[23:37] <Salane> kwwii: Nice
[23:37] <kwwii> that and a thousand other things
[23:38] <kwwii> we should also look into harnessing the deviantart crowd
[23:38] <kwwii> there is a brainstorm thingy for that
[23:38] <Salane> True
[23:38] <Salane> there area lot of good themes out there
[23:39] <kwwii> sure, they just have to say "ubuntu" to the right person :-)
[23:39] <_MMA_> kwwii: And nothing has stopped anyone from grabbing them. People like to talk and not do.
[23:39] <Salane> Well lets develop a course of action.
[23:39] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, but the color you pick would show through the transparency in a different way than you expect
[23:39] <Salane> I think our font will be taken care of one way or the other.
[23:40] <kwwii> I think that keeping up the work on the wiki and mailing list is the best idea
[23:40] <kwwii> get people moving on this stuff and keep them going down the same path
[23:40] <Salane> Well we need more of a push
[23:40] <Salane> yeah
[23:40] <kwwii> also, we could do more with pusing the theme-team stuff
[23:40] <Salane> I jsut convinced the bass player in my band to try out Ubuntu :D
[23:40] <_MMA_> Salane: Push from who?
[23:41] <Salane> A push from us to the art team, the users, and other Gnome users.
[23:41] <kwwii> more a push from us and other interested artists than anything else
[23:41] <Salane> We need to basically get the word out.
[23:42] <kwwii> and we need to keep up the interest and contact
[23:42] <_MMA_> Salane: Being new here, I guess you dont realize, there's not much of a team here. Most of the people that are active have *much* to do. ;) We need new blood to make that push. Is that you?
[23:42] <Salane> I have time to push. Very soon I will have no classes, very little work, and a lot of time.
[23:43] <kwwii> hehe, done with college or just summer break?
[23:44] <Salane> I am very good with coordinating people. In high school I put together an presentation that I took to local businesses and sold the advertisements  - and raised over 15,000 Euros in the process.
[23:44] <Salane> I am taking Engineering Calc 2 during the summer.
[23:45] <_MMA_> Salane: I hope you are good at herding cats. :)
[23:45] <Salane> Haha
[23:45] <Salane> I love my cat- he is Orange and White. Reminds me of Ubuntu when I see him :D
[23:46] <kwwii> hehe, Engineering Calc2 - been there, done that :-)
[23:46] <kwwii> I studied civil engineering
[23:46] <Salane> Aerospace here!
[23:47] <kwwii> cool :-)
[23:47] <kwwii> which year are you in?
[23:47] <Salane> I will be a sophomore - second year
[23:47] <kwwii> sophomore I would guess
[23:48] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[23:48] <kwwii> otherwise you would be really smart or really dumb :-)
[23:48] <Salane> haha
[23:49] <Salane> I made a 98% on the midterm. I think I have it good :D
[23:49] <kwwii> then again, when I first started college I studied chinese and flunked college algebra 5 times
[23:49] <Salane> Haha wow
[23:49] <kwwii> on a music scholarship
[23:49] <_MMA_> I want to say, re: font chat that we not disregard what Troy said for the sake of some people saying "this looks pretty". <insert font here> needs to be viewed vs. what we have at all levels.
[23:49] <Salane> Well then I feel inclined to admit that this is the second time taking this class.
[23:50] <Salane> lol
[23:50] <kwwii> _MMA_: yes, definitely, in any case it needs to be checked by someone who knows more about internationalization
[23:50] <Salane> I think any of the three fonts on the wiki will be great choices. I am not opposed to any of them.
[23:50] <_MMA_> kwwii: Not just that. Troy had *damn* good points on kerning and such as well.
[23:51] <Salane> I think he is right. It does look a bit better.
[23:51] <Salane> Its so close it would depend from computer to computer however.
[23:51] <_MMA_> Salane: But good choices why? Aesthetics are not enough.
[23:51] <Salane> Well with me, the more readable a font is, the better it looks.
[23:52] <Salane> That and it must be fully international.
[23:52] <_MMA_> Salane: "He" who? Troy thought it was a terrible choice.
[23:53] <_MMA_> http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-droid-isnt-answer.html
[23:53] <kwwii> getting a good font is really hard
[23:53] <Salane> Sorry I thought you were referring to something else.
[23:53] <kwwii> it takes a lot more than you'd think
[23:54] <_MMA_> Yep. More than "I like this.".
[23:54] <Salane> i was talking about the guy who pointed out how Deja Vu might be a little better with the same hinting settings.
[23:54] <kwwii> oh man, troy goes off again
[23:54] <_MMA_> Salane: Yes. Studio has switched to them and I believe others use them as well.
[23:54] <kwwii> the first thing he does is bitch about ubuntu artwork and then goes on to complian about the font that we probably won't be able to use due to legal issues
[23:54] <Salane> haha
[23:55] <_MMA_> kwwii: What else is new? :P *But* it might be a good choice for mobile.
[23:55] <Salane> I cant believe something I pushed for is on a blog. lol
[23:55] <_MMA_> Salane: It's not hard trust me.
[23:56] <Salane> Why this guy is
[23:56] <Salane> I dont knwo what to say
[23:57] <Salane> I have been using Droid and the other choice for a bit now
[23:57] <Salane> and I actually changed my fonts in other OS's because I liked them so much./
[23:57] <_MMA_> Like I said, there are other considerations.
[23:58] <kwwii> heck, in the screenshots he shows I still think that the droid font is more readable, whether the over-all color is the same or not
[23:58] <kwwii> anyway
[23:58] <kwwii> there are other considerations
[23:58] <Salane> I think so too.
[23:58] <_MMA_> :P
[23:58] <Salane> So what are the considerations?
[23:58] <kwwii> and droid is made for a small screen
[23:58] <kwwii> and I do have a small screen :-)
[23:58] <kwwii> and a really big one that is normally hooked up to my mac these days :p
[23:58] <Salane> Aesthetics, readability, and international compliance right?
[23:58] <_MMA_> kwwii: I agree more with changing the pt size than font really.
[23:59] <kwwii> if nothing else we will keep dejavu as it has proven to be very good
[23:59] <kwwii> _MMA_: from 10 to 9 you mean?
[23:59] <_MMA_> Yeah
[23:59] <kwwii> yes, me too
[23:59] <kwwii> I use 8 myself
[23:59] <kwwii> on my 10" thinkpad
[23:59] <_MMA_> I as well on the laptop.


[01:28] <mup> PR operator#854 opened: Use Storage.index instead of deprecated Storage.id <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/854>
[09:36] <mup> PR operator#855 opened: add check for secrets in JujuVersion <Created by beliaev-maksim> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/855>
[23:09] <mup> Issue operator#853 closed: Fix deprecation warning for `model.Storage.id` <Created by marcoppenheimer> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/853>
[23:09] <mup> PR operator#854 closed: Use Storage.index instead of deprecated Storage.id <Created by benhoyt> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/854>


[02:16] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/109588734381736741502/posts/1MY35T1jQj5
[02:16] <cmaloney> ^^ This is kind of awesome.
[15:44] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:53] <rick_h_> morning
[16:19] <mrgoodcat> morning
[16:26] <cmaloney> morning
[16:31] <greg-g> morning
[16:33] <greg-g> well, it was, until the RAID in the colo'd box I share failed
[16:34] <greg-g> read-only mode right now, which sucks, in-progress of backups and such
[16:34] <rick_h_> ouch
[16:36] <jrwren> cloud ftw :p
[16:37] <greg-g> yes yes
[16:37] <brousch_> jrwren++
[16:37] <greg-g> will be migrating email somewhere else Real Soon Now
[16:37] <jrwren> greg-g: I'm on an old co-loc email host which we keep limping along. Lemme know what you do with that.
[16:40] <greg-g> will do
[16:40] <greg-g> summary: there are no good options
[16:41] <rick_h_> greg-g: heard good things about fastmail
[16:41] <rick_h_> greg-g: it's been on my todo list to investigate
[16:41]  * greg-g nods
[17:11] <jrwren> a DO vps or similar might be slighly better. *shrug*
[17:24] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, that was my first thought, but then I have to worry about failover, too
[17:25] <jrwren> we don't have a failover solution now.
[17:25] <greg-g> touche (neither do I, obviously)
[17:25] <jrwren> at least not any more than a lower priority MX record
[17:26] <jrwren> for me and the 5 people who use it, I think we are OK with occasional downtime
[17:26] <jrwren> we had some just last week when my buddy finally did precise->trusty
[17:26] <greg-g> yeah, same here, only things that matter are my parents emailing and amazon telling me something shipped :)
[17:26] <jrwren> ha!
[18:08] <brousch_> Let Google handle it
[18:09] <greg-g> brousch_--
[18:10] <brousch_> so easy
[18:10] <greg-g> easy != right/good/best :)
[18:10] <greg-g> (can, but not inherent)
[19:00] <cmaloney> Also: New Cloudkicker this morning
[19:00] <cmaloney> *squee*
[19:06] <mrgoodcat> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051WAM64/ref=gb1h_tit_c-2_7042_c1f8688f?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0KQGW4S3R82D8V8PS11A&pf_rd_i=5550342011&pf_rd_p=1990147042
[19:06] <mrgoodcat> http://tinyurl.com/kqdtlwp shortlink
[19:12] <jrwren> All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.   <-- google apps
[19:14] <greg-g> jrwren++
[19:14] <rick_h_> jrwren: greg-g assumption you can tell evil from good?
[19:15] <greg-g> rick_h_: yep
[19:15] <rick_h_> just to play a little devil's advocate :)
[19:15] <jrwren> rick_h_: that is a deep question. The simple answer is Yes.
[19:15] <greg-g> rick_h_: which makes you evil :P
[19:15] <rick_h_> woot! can I get a cool cape now?
[19:16] <greg-g> rick_h_: of course, and moustache
[19:16] <jrwren> I feel one must assume that they can tell. The requirement is always to be re-evaluating previous decisions.
[19:16] <rick_h_> jrwren: cool, and do we make allowances for lessor of two evils?
[19:17] <rick_h_> or are we of the more pure, no evil allowed variety?
[19:17] <jrwren> we certainly do, but we probably shouldn't.
[19:17] <rick_h_> ok, just want to make sure we're on the same page :)
[19:21] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: All you need from that link is http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051WAM64
[19:23] <cmaloney> Now that we've figured out how to tell good from evil can someone tell me where I parked?
[19:24] <greg-g> cmaloney: there's an app* for that.
[19:24] <rick_h_> cmaloney: google now can but you've gone evil
[19:24] <greg-g> * that tracks your position, what other apps are installed on your phone, who you text most often and about what, how many times you cough a day, ....
[19:25] <greg-g> :)
[19:26] <cmaloney> Can it tell if I wipe with my phone hand or not?
[19:26] <cmaloney> asking for a friend
[19:27] <greg-g> cmaloney: let's just say: it's not on the feature list.
[19:27] <cmaloney> Aw nuts... I mean I think my friend will be disappointed.
[20:09] <brousch_> Hm, lesson in evil from the Apple user
[20:10] <cmaloney> brousch_: Don't make rick_h_ embark on a special road-trip to GR
[20:11]  * greg-g is typing from his Debian laptop :P
[20:14] <brousch_> Debian or Devuon?
[20:16] <jrwren> apple isnt evil. of course a lesson from apple user
[20:20] <greg-g> and stock owner :)
[20:20] <brousch_> I'm sure I'm a stock owner of many evil places via my 401k
[20:21] <greg-g> yeah, but jrwren bought it explicitly :)
[20:22] <akelling> I do wonder if the *BSD's are going to get more users from systemd backlash
[20:22] <cmaloney> akelling: possibly, but I;d put my money on the non-systemd linux dostros first
[20:23] <cmaloney> eg: Dubian or Devun or whatever the fork is called
[20:23] <jrwren> I also own Phillip Morris, another not evil company.
[20:24] <jrwren> i wonder if the light ubuntu derivatives will go systemd-less.
[20:29] <akelling> cmaloney: its an interesting time.


[00:56] <EvilResistance> does anyone here know which package the command ubuntu-bug is a part of?
[00:56] <EvilResistance> apt-file suggests apport, but i want to be sure
[00:58] <EvilResistance> nevermind, found it
[01:31] <Resistance> i'll propose it to apport, but that'd be a feature request bug, so it wouldnt necessarily need a brainstorm topic (although this needed it: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29656/ )
[01:34] <Resistance> whoops sorry
[01:34] <Resistance> wrong channel
[01:34]  * Resistance blames the laptop touchpad
[13:22] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: ah, I was confused last night, my estimation was actuall ~thursday for #1m not today
[15:27] <Noxygen> hello
[17:30] <bobweaver> Is there live streaming going on ?
[17:31] <jtaylor> if there is its impossible to find
[17:31] <tumbleweed> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/status.xsl
[17:31] <bobweaver> Hi jtaylor  yeah I  have been looking for a bit
[17:31] <broder> there are links in #ubuntu-uds
[17:32] <bobweaver> thansk tumbleweed  !
[17:32] <bobweaver> none work ^^
[17:32] <broder> hmm, i guess not? that's unfortunate
[17:32] <jtaylor> there where you look first there are no links, e.g. the room schedule or room irc channels
[17:33] <EvilResistance> last i checked, they're in lunch break
[17:33] <EvilResistance> 1PM - 2PM Eastern US
[17:33] <jtaylor> it should be 10:33 there
[17:33] <tumbleweed> correct, 10:33
[17:33] <EvilResistance> you sure?
[17:33] <tumbleweed> I'm at UDS
[17:33]  * EvilResistance is looking at the schedule as listed on the wiki, unless that is not up to date
[17:34] <bobweaver> the metting just started there live time
[17:34] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  then someone needs to give me the updated schedule links
[17:34] <bobweaver> ballroom f
[17:34] <tumbleweed> EvilResistance: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/2012-05-07/
[17:34] <bobweaver> but there is no live feed ?
[17:35] <bobweaver> I woke up early for this :)
[17:35] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: yes, icecast.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <bobweaver> Not working ^^
[17:35] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: they seem to be working. I'm ubsy recording from them: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-q/
[17:35] <tumbleweed> or is it just silent?
[17:35] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  then the pages I accessed from the UDS main page are out of date, or mis-linked
[17:36] <tumbleweed> EvilResistance: which page?
[17:36] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  might've been my end, i'll double-check later
[17:36]  * EvilResistance has to attend to a phone call
[17:36] <bobweaver> I have trid bot mp3 and xspf
[17:36] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/211431
[17:36] <bobweaver> tried *
[17:36] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: they are ogg
[17:37] <bobweaver> I am also signed in here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20676/other-q-motu-bof/
[17:37] <tumbleweed> that hasn't started yet
[17:37] <ajmitch> bobweaver: the MOTU session is in 25 min, there's noone in grand ballroom f right now
[17:38] <micahg> hmm, I was wondering, that session is scheduled twice, was that on purpose?
[17:38] <tumbleweed> I saw that too. No idea
[17:38]  * micahg is looking forward to meeting ajmitch
[17:38] <ajmitch> micahg: unlikely, but the schedule seems to change all the time
[17:38] <EpikVision> How do you do that star thing?
[17:38]  * ajmitch is in grand ballroom c right now
[17:38] <micahg> EpikVision: /me
[17:38] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: oh, I also want to mee tyou. in C too
[17:38]  * EpikVision finds this cool.
[17:38]  * EvilResistance pokes EpikVision with a /me command
[17:38] <EpikVision> AH
[17:39] <EpikVision> thanks
[17:39]  * micahg is in the security roundtable
[17:39]  * EpikVision is excited to meet MOTU people in 25 min.
[17:41] <bobweaver> ok I think I have figured out this page :)  have to use the PATH  as the path (there should just be link)
[17:42] <bobweaver> ballroom f = http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grand-ballroom-f.ogg
[17:42] <bobweaver> like that ^^
[17:42] <tumbleweed> correct
[17:42] <tumbleweed> there are links to these in the topic for each room's IRC channel
[17:44] <bobweaver> thanks tumbleweed  this is my 1st summit either there or not so I will take all the help I can get thanks again :)
[17:44] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: np :)
[17:45] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L/RemoteParticipation btw
[17:45] <tumbleweed> err that's from an old UDS
[17:45] <tumbleweed> ah, they've stopped doing that page since UDS-N
[17:45] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  that was showing up actually :P
[17:46] <EvilResistance> that was a page that someone in the LoCo i'm in distributed, that'd explain why the schedule shoed as wrong
[17:46] <EvilResistance> showed*
[17:46]  * EvilResistance sends an updated email out to his LoCo's mailing list
[17:48] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  i assume that remote IRC participation (where applicable) is #ubuntu-uds-[room] ?
[17:48] <tumbleweed> yes
[17:49] <tumbleweed> and say hi at the start of the session, so thta people know you are there
[17:49] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  will do, but i'll be lurking for the next session(s) for a while, got to go to a meeting :/
[17:50] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  also, you might poke the IRCC, have someone update the UDS room topics with current session(s), they're not updating (someone already poked the IRCC, but still)
[17:50] <iulian> What room is the MOTU bof in?
[17:50] <iulian> Oh, nevermind.
[17:50] <jtaylor> Grand Ballroom F
[17:51] <Laney> the unsigned rooms
[17:51]  * Laney spins around in circles
[17:52] <iulian> Haha.
[17:53] <bobweaver>  \0/
[17:55] <bobweaver> SSO maybe ?
[17:57] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: you need to be added to ~ubuntu-etherpad. Ask in #ubuntu-uds
[17:59] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  members automatically have access to that, right?
[17:59] <broder> EvilResistance: yes
[17:59] <bobweaver> Thanks tumbleweed  !
[17:59] <bobweaver> will do now
[18:02] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  what does that mean  ?
[18:05] <AlanBell> EvilResistance: they are updating
[18:05] <AlanBell> or grand-ballroom-h has updated
[18:09] <bobweaver> motu beginners team  !
[18:10] <micahg> MOTU bof in #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-f
[18:57] <bobweaver> Sorry if any of my questions in the meeting where off topic I am just dieing too learn :)
[19:29] <bobweaver> Is there any documention on how too find what DEPENDS you need to put in your control file ? example here is my control  file http://paste.ubuntu.com/974245/   this is how I got too that point. I installed ubuntu server ran dpkg-query -l then saved and filtered the list after that I installed my package and ran dpkg-query -l again and filtered 0out the results and then compaired the two. I did not know what ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Dep
[19:29] <bobweaver> ends}, meant at the time. but now I do kinda. is there a beeter way to do what I am trying to do and if so how too go about it. I am sure that I have too many things under Depends:  thanks for your time
[19:31] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: we try to generate them automatically where possible (so the shlibs:Depends takes care fo most libraries)
[19:31] <tumbleweed> but for packages like that, you as the maintainer are expected to list the things it needs
[19:31] <tumbleweed> I'm suprised to see libs listed in there...
[19:32] <bobweaver> can I run command too see what shlibs picks up by default ?
[19:32] <bobweaver> so I do not put in control file ?
[19:32] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: shlibs picks up shared libaries
[19:32] <tumbleweed> you can see what it picked up, by looking at debian/$package.substitutions
[19:33] <bobweaver> but is there a command too see what ones it uses. like lets take mysql-server
[19:33] <jtaylor> bobweaver: please use wrap-and-sort on so long depends lines
[19:33] <bobweaver> redoing now
[19:33] <bobweaver> re-doing *
[19:33] <jtaylor> there are some tools
[19:34] <jtaylor> but they never catch everything
[19:34] <jtaylor> especially in such a package
[19:35] <jtaylor> can't remember any names, autoapt or so, but its more for getting the depends from a configure script not at runtime
[19:35] <bobweaver>  ldd  lists all ?
[19:35] <bobweaver> like
[19:35] <jtaylor> ldd is covered by shlib:Depends
[19:36] <bobweaver> I see do if I look at that then I can see what not too put in control file ?
[19:36] <jtaylor> anything that starts with lib and is not perl you normally don't have to list
[19:36] <bobweaver> sweet thanks
[19:37] <jtaylor> just check the substvars after a build
[19:41] <bobweaver> so just to clarify I am going too use toilet as a example if I run whereis toilet I find that it is under /usr/bin/toilet  Now if I run. ldd /usr/bin/toilet      I get all the shDepends  now I do not need to include anything that is on that list too the control file ?
[19:41] <jtaylor> yes
[19:42] <bobweaver> thanks
[19:42] <jtaylor> the only elf shared libraries you have to add by hand are plugins
[19:42] <jtaylor> which are loaded at runtime
[19:42] <bobweaver> what does ${misc:Depends}  do ?
[19:42] <jtaylor> misc stuff :)
[19:42] <bobweaver> I have asked this before but I am thick sometimes
[19:43] <jtaylor> e.g. debhelper may need to add stuff
[19:43] <bobweaver> is there a way too see what misc stuff is in a package like ldd  ?
[19:43] <jtaylor> common example is when you use --link-doc, it adds a dependency on the main package (and then lintian complains...)
[19:43] <jtaylor> read the substvars file
[19:43] <jtaylor> 21:31 <tumbleweed> you can see what it picked up, by looking at debian/$package.substitutions
[19:44] <bobweaver> I see
[19:44] <bobweaver> sorry like I said I am thick but when I get it I get it :)
[19:45] <bobweaver> so it is sor my  files that I push in my make file too $(DETDIR)
[19:45] <bobweaver> $(DESTDIR)*
[19:45] <bobweaver> arghh
[19:45] <bobweaver> $(DISTDIR)*
[19:46] <jtaylor> its DESTDIR
[19:47] <bobweaver> lol I thinks that we have talked about this before :)
[19:47] <bobweaver> but I am correct about above ?
[19:47] <jtaylor> I don't understand the question
[19:47] <bobweaver> s|sor|for
[19:48] <bobweaver> so ${misc:Depends}  is for my  files that I push in my make file too $(DESTDIR)  is there anything else it does ?
[19:49] <jtaylor> no its for misc dependencies from e.g. debhelper scripts
[19:49] <bobweaver> OHH
[19:49] <jtaylor> its empty in most cases
[19:53] <bobweaver> jtaylor,  I took your advice for yesterday and made a whole new framework for upsource  I think that it is alot better it can be found here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/zpanelcp/zpanelcp/files    as you can see my Makefile is now only 3 commands and I fully understand how the make file works now. This is all because of you just thought that you would like too hear that
[19:55] <jtaylor> source files in /etc? oO
[19:56] <jtaylor> also start stop are far to generic for /usr/bin
[19:56] <jtaylor> e.g. it conflicts with upstart
[19:56] <jtaylor> so every ubuntu system
[19:56] <jtaylor> a no upstart is in /sbin/
[19:56] <jtaylor> still bad
[19:56] <bobweaver> so make into zpanelx-start
[19:57] <jtaylor> yes
[19:57] <bobweaver> I want to link it too services
[19:58] <bobweaver> So user can do sudo services zpanelx-start /stop
[19:58] <jtaylor> you need init scripts or upstart or systemd job files for that
[19:58] <bobweaver> Thanks I will look into that
[20:39] <EvilResistance> anyone know whether there's a UDS session on the LiveCD and installation of Ubuntu?  not sure if this is where i'd correctly ask, but...
[20:40]  * EvilResistance can't find one, and already searched the entire schedule, and wants to make sure he didnt miss something
[21:02] <tumbleweed> I poked jono to schedule https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-debian
[21:02] <tumbleweed> err
[21:02] <tumbleweed> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-debian
[21:02] <Laney> YOU BEAUTY
[21:02] <tumbleweed> lol
[21:03] <sladen> EvilResistance: probably under Foundations if it's happening
[21:03] <sladen> EvilResistance: was there something specific you had in mind?
[21:03] <sladen> btw, remote people.  http://video.ubuntu.com/live/  is working now, live
[21:03] <EvilResistance> sladen:  yeah... but i posted the idea(s) to brainstorm instead
[21:04] <EvilResistance> sladen:  since i then realized the topic i wanted to bring up was a feature-request/change in ubiquity :P
[21:04] <EvilResistance> my second thought was its better to use brainstorm for that :P


[13:31] <rick_h> morning and I find this amazingly funny https://twitter.com/DrStanStan/status/925656003260981248
[13:44] <_stink_> hah
[14:19] <jrwren> https://superuser.com/questions/1264850/rndc-reload-says-zone-was-found-in-multiple-views
[15:52] <jrwren> "We are looking for companies (any size will do, from a developer in a garage to a multinational) that need very secure, reliable, and affordable object storage and might be willing to take a bit of a risk on an unknown offering."   plz PM me
[16:38] <_stink_> a reliable offering with a bit of a risk
[16:38] <_stink_> i like it
[16:40] <greg-g> it's reliable until it isn't!
[16:49] <cmaloney> Yep
[16:50] <cmaloney> After all, folks like a little risk with their reliable
[17:14] <jrwren> *shrug* it'd be like all the peopel who got in on the B2 beta from backblace


 Can we revert to
 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyqt5/5.15.7+dfsg-3build1
 The problem will still exist
 The bug is in sip6
 Dmitry said he'd upload today so I figured I'd give him the opportunity :)
 Yeah, I said but I was too busy with $job, sorry.
 Also there were upstream commits in both sip and pyqt5 mentioning this bug.
 Maybe I'll upload both in half an hour.
 thanks
 I'm sorry but it didn't happen. It's 2:10 am here so I would better do it in the morning. (re @mitya57: Maybe I'll upload both in half an hour.)


[13:59] <FloatingGoat> hey anyone up in this biznitch atm?
[13:59] <smartboyhw> What biznitch?
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Hi FloatingGoat
[13:59] <FloatingGoat> hi
[13:59] <FloatingGoat> I made a song using LMMS
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Uh huh
[14:00] <FloatingGoat> idk
[14:00] <FloatingGoat> if you want to listen to it or something
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Uh huh
[14:00] <FloatingGoat> http://ubuntuone.com/3gDSOezvOgnoVBjBh2IKcK
[14:05] <FloatingGoat> its me again
[14:07] <FloatingGoat> smartboyhw: did you get that link or something?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Good music
[14:08] <FloatingGoat> thanks bro
[14:08] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:10] <FloatingGoat> have you ever made anything
[14:10] <smartboyhw> No sorry. I use it for video
[14:14] <FloatingGoat> oh no
[14:14] <smartboyhw> !?
[14:14] <FloatingGoat> im kidding
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Well I'm in the Ubuntu Studio Team at least
[14:16] <FloatingGoat> no way
[14:16] <smartboyhw> !?
[14:21] <FloatingGoat> you work on the OS?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Yes, sort of, I don't do programming, mainly testing, support and documentation
[14:24] <FloatingGoat> oh
[14:24] <FloatingGoat> im a user
[14:24] <FloatingGoat> well
[14:24] <FloatingGoat> I dont use ubuntu studio :'(
[14:26] <smartboyhw> WHat?
[14:34] <FloatingGoat> I know
[14:34] <FloatingGoat> I use regular ubuntu
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Oh OK
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Try to use Ubuntu Studio:)
[14:40] <FloatingGoat> ok i will
[15:08] <Luciferis> I'm not able to add myself to the audio group after trying : sudo adduser <username> audio ; replacing username by    Lucis Feris   says that doesn't exist that user ; and i don't know what i'm doing wrong.
[15:08] <holstein> Luciferis: correct
[15:08] <holstein> it wont have spaces
[15:08] <holstein> it will be your user name
[15:09] <holstein> the one the machine uses to refer to your "account"
[15:09] <smartboyhw> \o holstein BTW
[15:09] <holstein> when you open a terminal, it should say "user@machine"
[15:09] <holstein> Luciferis: thats the username you will input there
[15:09] <holstein> it will contain no spaces
[15:09] <holstein> holstein@poseidon:~$ for example... not Mike Holstein
[15:10] <Luciferis> I believe i tried that but i'll try again; thank's very much
[15:10] <holstein> Luciferis: you need to try the *exact* username printeed there
[15:11] <holstein> Luciferis: it will work
[15:11] <smartboyhw> It MUST work, if not it is a bug LOL
[15:13] <Luciferis> Thank's; i'm not very used to the shell but i'll do it it's simpler; Guess i'll do the rest for finishing configuring my upgrade; See you. I know i would be very lucky to find a bug. it's me the bug
[20:13] <ByteBitten> hello
[20:18] <ByteBitten> Does anyone know if Ubuntu Studio runs well on a SSD?
[20:26] <ByteBitten> I found myself a manual for ubunu 12.04, I found my awnser.


[00:01] <Riddell> sgclark: just send the list to cjwatson, he'll sort it out
[00:02] <sgclark> Riddell: I sent him an email.
[00:02] <Riddell> lovely
[00:38] <sgclark> heh he sent me to a list with ScottK on it, I guess I will bug him.
[02:17] <ScottK> sgclark: I'll try to take a look at it, but almost certainly not before Friday due to $work/family stuff.
[02:46] <sgclark> ScottK: ok thanks
[07:15] <soee> good morning
[07:19] <seaLne> valorie: atleast to me the doodle is still showing 1730 and 2100. also seems like huge interest in it so far...
[07:20] <seaLne> valorie: not that the tz is a big issue as long as people know
[07:28] <valorie> cool
[07:28] <valorie> well, I've done what I can with it
[07:28] <seaLne> yep
[07:30] <seaLne> atleast from my point of view from room allocation there is no great rush to decide morning/afternoon on the thursday but i assume it will effect peoples travel plans and attendance etc
[07:32] <valorie> exactly the point
[07:32] <valorie> I would prefer if people stayed the whole week, but I know that's not always possible
[07:33] <soee> valorie: the guy with network problem fixed it ?
[07:34] <valorie> he stopped responding, soee
[07:34] <valorie> never even told me what version of kubuntu he was using
[07:38] <soee> valorie: ah, ok :)
[07:38] <soee> he was @ 14.10
[07:38] <soee> but he was totaly new to linux i think
[07:39] <valorie> yes
[07:39] <valorie> can't help someone who won't talk to ya
[07:39] <soee> true :D
[07:47] <soee> is this any important warning: Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported. ?
[08:37] <sitter> valorie: fwiw, you can actually turn off automatic time zone adjustment nonesense
[08:44] <valorie> sitter: when I looked, all I could do is tell it Spain
[08:44] <valorie> so that's what I did
[08:50] <sitter> ah yes
[08:50] <sitter> they removed that option
[08:50] <sitter> doodle is also getting more annoying than it is worth
[08:51] <valorie> not sure there is a free alternative
[08:51] <sitter> I hear shadeslayer wants to try rails development :P
[08:52] <valorie> so trendy
[08:52] <valorie> although isn't that last year's trend
[08:52] <sitter> anyway, the problem wiht the timezone snafu is that it always defaults to whatever the user is identified as. all you as poll admin can do is set which time zone the original times are from apparently
[08:53] <valorie> well, timezones are incredibly annoying
[08:53] <sitter> so you can enter spain, if you then visist the doodle in private browsing mode you should still see the times in PST though
[08:53] <valorie> we should all use the same time, UTC
[08:53] <sitter> true
[08:54] <sitter> which doodle doesn't let you do anymore ;)
[08:54] <sitter> so ... shadeslayer please be writing a doodle replacment
[08:54] <sitter> http://alternativeto.net/software/doodle/
[08:55] <sitter> http://alternativeto.net/software/dudle/
[08:55] <sitter> much open source
[08:56] <valorie> hmmm
[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:59] <sitter> oh lovely kci turned all red
[08:59] <sitter> hooray
[08:59] <sitter> おはようlordievader
[09:00] <lordievader> sitter: おはいようございます。
[09:00] <lordievader> sitter: 元気ですか。
[09:08] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't suppose I'm on the list?
[09:11] <sitter> lordievader: too much kanji, can't understand nothing :'<
[09:12] <lordievader> sitter: Is げんきですか better?
[09:13] <lordievader> Or in romaji 'genki desuka' ;)
[09:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: I do say in the ktron review request "I also think the kdesnake script and .desktop file should go away, you can set it in the UI." and albert seems to agree so I guess it's a simple case of killing that from the cmakelists file
[09:27]  * Mirv waits for 5.7 release to migrate to release pocket to be able to update Qt 5.4 silo
[09:28] <Riddell> Mirv: how do you mean silo?
[09:28] <sitter> lordievader: slightly. はい、元気です
[09:28] <Mirv> Riddell: the landing PPA, what we call silos
[09:28] <Mirv> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-005/+packages
[09:28] <lordievader> やった！
[09:28] <sitter> Riddell: what we call a stage those weird folks call a silo :P
[09:28] <Mirv> haha :)
[09:29] <Riddell> fair enough but why also call it landing?  too many words!
[09:29] <sitter> surely it has to do with space travel
[09:30]  * sitter is outraged by himself using too much chdir in code that is supposed to get threading now >.<
[09:30] <sitter> hm
[09:31] <Riddell> as ever launchpad has failed to do the required retries to get everything to build
[09:31]  * Riddell runs  ubuntu-build --batch --retry `cat kf5-packages-vivid.txt`
[09:33] <sitter> wgrant: do you happen to know whether something changed WRT how publishing works? today's kubuntu dailies had an incredible amount of failures from having arch:any being published but arch:all no, our logic for how we decide whether everything is published did not change in months though :/
[09:35] <sitter> oh
[09:35] <sitter> wgrant: nevermind, I think jenkins is to blame
[09:35] <wgrant> Probably, nothing's changed :)
[09:35] <sitter> somehow it tried to build things in the wrong order
[09:35]  * sitter shakes fist
[09:45] <sitter> wgrant: there was something flaky going on though. a build had status failed-to-build yesterday at around 22:13 UTC but now is a success. builds don't get retried by our tooling so that is rather odd
[09:45] <sitter> kwidgetsaddons [i386] (5.7.0+git20150210.2206+14.10-0ubuntu0) Failed to build :: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6964765 :: None
[09:47] <wgrant> sitter: An NTP upgrade caused havoc last night, and we retried a lot of builds.
[09:48] <sitter> ok, that explains it then :)
[09:48] <sitter> launchpad publishing things that jenkins isn't aware of screws with the dep ordering on our side
[09:48] <wgrant> Ah
[09:49]  * sitter puts writing a safeguard on his todo
[09:51] <sitter> Riddell: you and your wrap and sort :P http://i.imgur.com/XNx0Vzv.jpg
[09:53] <sitter> Riddell: do you remember why kdelibs5-data is there? or is it just an oversight? according to the history it was part of the original import, but it isn't explained why it is needed
[09:53] <sitter> seems a bit weird as a build dependency, even more so considering it is kde4libs
[09:54] <Riddell> sitter: probably a mistake, scrap it
[10:13] <santa_> I remember a long time ago someone told me how apt-get could explain why it wants to remove a package (in a verbose way, like aptitude does)
[10:14] <santa_> and I think it was shadeslayer or yofel :P
[10:14] <santa_> could you refresh my memory?
[10:25] <sitter> google apt debug resolver
[10:35] <santa_> tried hard but couldn't find it on my own, thanks
[10:38] <sitter> -o        Debug::pkgProblemResolver
[10:47] <sitter> hm
[10:47] <sitter> Riddell: for plasma releases, aren't you supposed to branch the stuff?
[10:47] <sitter> or is someone else doing that?
[10:48] <sitter> because it appears to me that documentation wasn't branched to stable... like... ever
[10:48] <sitter> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kf5/de/docs/kde-workspace/ -> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/stable/l10n-kf5/de/docs/kde-workspace
[12:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ping? how do we find the /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/ directory in cmake (for findqtwaylandscanner from cmake-extra-modules)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:43] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[12:44] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[12:45] <soee> oh i see frameworks 5.7 landed in vivid
[12:45] <soee> any news aboutr QT 5.4 ?
[12:48] <sitter> soon was the word
[12:53] <yofel> Riddell: /usr/lib/CMAKE_LIBRARY_ARCHITECTURE/qt5/bin ?
[13:09] <santa_> sitter: I might have some time this afternoon to work on making muon buildable on sid[uction], would you review/push changes to debconf-kde, qapt and qca-qt5?
[13:10] <santa_> I already had some changes for debconf-kde, but then I saw your message about 1.0.1 being released
[13:11] <sitter> 1.0.1 only updates translations
[13:15] <sitter> santa_: fwiw, unless you have multiple commits I'd find it handy if you simply sent a git format-patch
[13:15] <sitter> git am goes much faster than remote add && fetch && cherry-pick
[13:23] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10173044/
[13:23] <sitter> my code makes me cry :'<
[13:23] <sitter> yo, mister Riddell, the en_US cmakelists in plasma-desktop is still busted, uses add_subdir in subdirs :P
[13:26] <santa_> sitter: I think I will have various commits for debconf-kde. it doesn't install the translations currently, so I would add a -data package, qca is not in git so I could send you a debdiff and about qapt I already have three
[13:27] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-req/qca-qt5.git/
[13:27] <santa_> in any case you don't need to cherry-pick actually. isn't git remote add gitorious <url> git pull gitorious kubuntu_vivid_archive_tmp && git push origin kubuntu_vivid_archive enough?
[13:28] <santa_> oh, didn't know about that repository, looked in the wrong place, thanks!
[13:28] <sitter> santa_: that's subsantially more typing and copy and pasting than clicking on an attachment in the mail client and running git am ~/Downloads/whatever
[13:29] <sitter> hence why I think for single patches simply attaching the format-patch is better
[13:37] <santa_> sitter: just checked how git format-patch works (I heard about it but never used before) it seems it works for multiple commits, if I have 3 commits for instance you would prefer me to send the three patches attached in a mail?
[13:40] <sitter> santa_: git format-patch -1 HEAD exports only the topmost commit
[13:40] <sitter> instead of HEAD you can of course use any other commitish expression
[13:40] <sitter> equally -3 would then export 3 patches and so on
[13:41] <santa_> yeah, just checked using a commit hash
[14:19] <Riddell> sgclark: having a sleep in today? :)
[14:21] <Riddell> sitter: it uses ecm_optional_add_subdirectory() is that not right?
[14:22] <Riddell> sitter: ah you talk about doc/kcontrol/CMakeLists.txt
[14:22] <Riddell> sitter: shall I change all that to ecm_optional_add_subdirectory() ?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> sitter: Mr. Sitter
[14:23] <shadeslayer> sitter: any thoughts on how to CI Qt 5 for Debian
[14:24] <sitter> with a stick
[14:24] <shadeslayer> pft
[14:24] <sitter> Riddell: I'd say so, either we copy all CMakeLists from en_US to all other languages or none
[14:24] <sitter> only copying the topmost seems silly considering the nesting in plasma-desktop
[14:26] <Riddell> sitter: ok pushed
[14:32] <Riddell> sitter: fix for the fix pushed
[14:42] <sgclark> Riddell: hi :) yeah I was up till 11pm last night working on kde ci stuff
[14:42] <Riddell> your dedication to the cause of freedom continues to impress :)
[14:43] <sgclark> :)
[14:47] <Riddell> sgclark: anyway ScottK says he can't change the upload rights until the weekend so if you need me to debsign a bunch of .changes files let me know
[14:47] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah it would be nice to get this stuff uploaded
[14:47] <sitter> Riddell: xD
[14:48] <Riddell> sgclark: I need access to the .changes and .dsc files then I think, either through ssh to a sever or you can tar them up and send them to me
[14:49] <sgclark> ok
[14:50] <sitter> Riddell: did you see my question about l10n branching?
[14:52] <Riddell> sitter: nope, please repeat
[14:54] <sitter> Riddell:
 Riddell: for plasma releases, aren't you supposed to branch the stuff?
 or is someone else doing that?
 because it appears to me that documentation wasn't branched to stable... like... ever
 http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kf5/de/docs/kde-workspace/ -> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/stable/l10n-kf5/de/docs/kde-workspace
[14:55] <Riddell> sitter: that's a good question, I don't know but I guess I should know
[14:55] <Riddell> tsdgeos: can you enlighten? ↑
[14:55] <Riddell> for plasma releases do I need to branch the docs manually?
[14:57] <tsdgeos> Riddell: it is expected you to copy them or to ask people to copy them for you yes
[14:57] <tsdgeos> it won't happen magically
[14:57] <Riddell> ah
[14:57] <Riddell> tsdgeos: and .po files?
[14:57] <tsdgeos> same
[14:59] <Riddell> tsdgeos: but scripty has  put lots of .pot files here http://websvn.kde.org/branches/stable/l10n-kf5/templates/messages/kde-workspace/
[14:59] <sitter> Riddell: that's not the same as the po though
[14:59] <sitter> pot gets populated because you set the stable branch on projects.kde.org I suppose
[14:59] <Riddell> right, I had thought that was all I had to do
[15:00] <sitter> yeah, arguably that would be a handy thing to have
[15:03] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10174161/
[15:03] <sitter> omnom
[15:03] <Riddell> sitter: looks good
[15:03] <sitter> Riddell: when is the next release?
[15:03] <Riddell> 5.2.1 tars due a week tomorrow
[15:04] <sitter> ok, should be fine then
[15:04] <sitter> Riddell: I think I am going to leave caching out for now, see how you like it if you find it too slow we can still look into caching
[15:05]  * sitter is quite afraid of caching going wrong resulting in arbitarily broken tarballs
[15:07] <Riddell> sitter: you said you'd made it super fast though didn't you? is that the threading?
[15:09] <sitter> threading+caching = super fast
[15:09] <sitter> treading = very fast
[15:10] <sitter> I do have caching code, alas monkey patched onto the existing classes and caching svn reliably is an art of its own so if threading alone offers a good enough speedup I'd perfer not to use caching for now
[15:13] <Riddell> sitter: fair enough, very fast is still lovely
[15:14] <sitter> Riddell: fwiw, depending on how fast the intertubes in the office are there'd be more useful gain to be had from reducing the overall svn calls to make threads return faster rather than from caching. on 5mbit I am almost the entire time maxed out downloading so for me right now overall IO is the bigger bottleneck and short of respinning tarballs you'd have to have that IO anyway
[15:14] <sitter> so perhaps also keep an eye on ksysguard for network traffic when you do the next release
[15:22] <Riddell> gotcha, although internet in the office is kindae variable
[15:25] <BluesKaj> is activities still broken on 15.04 ?
[15:43] <sitter> Riddell: even so you'd see very prominent spikes throughout the translation/documentation steps
[15:44] <sitter> perhaps the better notion would be to also run the script on the scripty host tough and work on the l10n data there, that surely would be fast xD
[16:08] <mitya57> Mirv, hi, Lisandro uploaded a new qtchooser to Debian experimental with my patch applied upstream, can I sync it?
[16:08] <mitya57> (We were behind Debian so it's not only that change)
[16:13] <Riddell> sgclark: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/files.tar.gz
[16:29] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks!
[16:31] <santa_> Riddell: I'm sorry to bother you in your "stepping back" month, but could you check if you have unpushed changes to qca-qt5's git?
[16:32] <sgclark> Riddell: what was the trick to not check sig?
[16:32] <Riddell> sgclark: man dput  knows
[16:32] <Riddell> --unsomething
[16:32] <Riddell> and you have to put the --unsomething straight after the dput
[16:32] <Riddell> santa_: I don't.  why?
[16:32] <santa_> sgclark: dput -u <whatever>
[16:32] <sgclark> fine I rtfm
[16:33] <sgclark> thank you
[16:36] <santa_> Riddell: because I'm missing your latest symbol changes in git; these changes are apparently available in kubuntu's archive (version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2)
[16:37] <santa_> however git only has stuff until -0ubuntu1
[16:39] <santa_> perhaps you uploaded the -0u2 revision without using git? if that's the case I can fix it in my next merge request (I'm trying to get muon build on sid[udction])
[16:39] <Riddell> santa_: yes maybe, go ahead
[16:39] <santa_> * sid[uction]
[16:39] <santa_> ok, thanks
[16:46] <_Groo_> hi guys
[16:46] <_Groo_> any news on 14.12 apps for utopic? (ci) or you gives gave up and went just for vivid?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> _Groo_, backports?
[16:50] <_Groo_> but can i use backports with ci?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> I suppose if you comment the ci ppa
[16:55] <Riddell> _Groo_: I've not had time to finish off the job and publish them I'm afraid
[16:56] <_Groo_> Riddell: but its the works, thats good to know
[16:56] <_Groo_> its in
[16:57] <Riddell> you can probably add the relevant staging ppa and it'll work
[16:57] <Riddell> but then sitter will cry
[17:34] <Mirv> mitya57: the same on this channel :)
[18:09] <claydoh> would it be possible to edit http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.2 to specify that one still needs to have the next ppa installed along with next-backports, as well as what one needs to install in order to properly install it all?
[18:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: why will sitter cry?
[18:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: show me the relevant staging ppa! i dare you!
[18:37] <Riddell> _Groo_: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-stage2
[18:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: Does this mean you want me to file another MR or I can somehow update yours with the changes?
[19:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: updating the existing one seems easiest
[19:25] <Quintasan> Blast it, okay. I'll get to it today.
[19:28] <soee> whats does the /usr/share/ghostscript do ?
[19:28] <yofel> man ghostscript?
[19:29] <soee> thank you
[19:32] <yofel> ^^
[19:33] <soee> yofel: any news when QT 5.4 will be released for vivid ?
[19:33] <yofel> "soon"
[19:34] <soee> :)
[19:34] <yofel> I'm the wrong person to ask :P
[20:18] <Sput> Riddell, ScottK: which kind of freezes (and dates) do you need from Quassel upstream for getting the next version into 15.04?
[20:19] <Riddell> Sput: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[20:19] <Sput> KF5 porting is mostly done, btw
[20:19] <Riddell>  February 19th
[20:19] <Riddell>
[20:19] <Riddell> Warning /!\ FeatureFreeze
[20:19] <Sput> Riddell: yeah, been on that page, but there's many freezes there :)
[20:20] <Riddell> kf5 is probably a new feature so that's the important one
[20:21] <Sput> Riddell: ok, so the freeze is actually on the 19th? last time I missed a freeze because I thought it was on Thursday but it actually happened on Monday
[20:21] <Sput> but that may have been beta1
[20:23] <Sput> Riddell: how many days prior to the 19th should we tag, so you have enough time to package? or is it sufficient to just tag and tarball our feature-frozen beta1 on the 19th?
[20:23] <Riddell> right betas will freeze a few days before release, but feature freeze is the thursday
[20:23] <Riddell> Sput: on the 19th should be fine
[20:24] <Sput> Riddell: ok, that gives me a few more days to squeeze in some pending PRs :)
[20:25] <Sput> although I'm afraid DCC support will have to wait for another release :/
[22:06] <_Groo_> kio-mtp is still broken with ci, even with stage-next2
[22:06] <_Groo_> still interferes with kf5
[22:23] <_Groo_> i could use nautilus but meh.... maybe kio-mtp will be fixed