[00:02] <amichair> ev: I just realized I added the changelog line to the previous section marked as unreleased, but it appears to have actually been released!
[00:04] <amichair> or maybe I messed something up...
[00:08] <amichair> ev: oh nm... I see u fixed it, or merging did, however that works...
[00:53] <CIA-3> tzsetup: cjwatson * r519 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog tzsetup): Use '-T 15' rather than '--timeout=15', to avoid breaking busybox wget.
[00:54] <CIA-3> tzsetup: cjwatson * r520 ubuntu/debian/changelog: clarify
[00:57] <CIA-3> tzsetup: cjwatson * r521 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.26ubuntu8
[05:56] <Matt1> max?
[09:12] <ev> amichair: indeed, I took care of it during the merge.  No worries though, changelog mangling is often necessary when merging branches.
[09:38] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r4070 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[09:38] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Translate the yes and no buttons on the quit dialog in the KDE
[09:38] <CIA-3> ubiquity: frontend (LP: #561876).
[09:48] <ogra> cjwatson, why does d-i always pick the right TZ for me, even if i use a plain US install and dont indicate at all that i'm in germany it picks europe/berlin ... thats awesome !
[09:48] <cjwatson> geoip
[09:48] <cjwatson> thank IS and ev :-)
[09:49] <ogra> cool !
[09:49] <ev> and cjwatson for getting the ball rolling on that :)
[09:55] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r624 ubuntu/ (choose-mirror.c debian/changelog):
[09:55] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: Expand CC.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com if
[09:55] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: debian-installer/locale is set to "C" (LP: #550694).
[09:57] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r625 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.29ubuntu3
[10:08] <ogra> cjwatson, so my partman issue seems to be actually a disk-detect issue ... i finally got set -x output in syslog for that, would you mind taking a look ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44009972/syslog
[10:10] <ogra> cjwatson, the "Unhandled fault" seems to happen actually before disk-detect even runs, is there anything else triggered by default when i run it ?
[10:21] <ogra> cjwatson, did you get my above ping ?
[10:22] <cjwatson> no
[10:25] <ogra> cjwatson, so my partman issue seems to be actually a disk-detect issue ... i finally got set -x output in syslog for that, would you mind taking a look ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44009972/syslog
[10:25] <ogra> cjwatson, the "Unhandled fault" seems to happen actually before disk-detect even runs, is there anything else triggered by default when i run it ?
[10:26] <ogra> i also have added set -x to check-missing-firmware now (see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap/+bug/561426) that exposes the bus error but its not clear why exactly causes it
[10:26] <cjwatson> well, I mean it goes through main-menu and such, but you might also just be seeing log messages flushed out of order; it isn't conclusive
[10:26] <ogra> and the kernel error still shows up above it
[10:26] <cjwatson> parted_devices is consistently getting a bus error there
[10:27] <ogra> ah
[10:27]  * ogra looks for that
[10:27] <ogra> gah, no script
[10:28] <ogra> ~ #
[10:28] <ogra> ~ # parted_devices
[10:28] <ogra> [ 1034.439666] Unhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1018) at 0x40200000
[10:28] <ogra> Bus error
[10:28] <ogra> ~ #
[10:28] <ogra> ha !
[10:28] <cjwatson> there you go
[10:30] <cjwatson> 'anna-install strace-udeb' and try stracing it?
[10:35] <ogra> ok
[10:56] <zimbatm> hi there
[10:57] <ogra> cjwatson, do you have any preferenc where to add omap in the HW list in libdebian-installer (alphabetical by name or arch or so ?) or should it just add it by gut feeling (seems dove and imx51 were just added in random places)
[10:58] <ogra> the existing arches seem to follow a schema sorted alphabetically by subarch
[11:00] <cjwatson> dunno really, stick it just after dove I guess
[11:00] <cjwatson> then at least the Ubuntu additions are together
[11:00] <ogra> ok
[11:01] <zimbatm> How do you debug something further than DEBCONF_DEVEL=developer ?
[11:02] <zimbatm> For example, I'm building a custom ISO based on lucid, and "anna" tells me that "no packages for kernel in archive"
[11:02] <zimbatm> I would pretty much like to know which package it is looking for
[11:03] <zimbatm> I tried poking around in the filesystem. I had some hope when I found /var/lib/dpkg , but not
[11:04] <zimbatm> anna-install is a minimalist dpkg replacement for .udeb as I understand, but doesn't it unwrap the package scripts somewhere before executing them ?
[11:09] <cjwatson> zimbatm: well, you should start by having the source code handy and tracing through it
[11:10] <cjwatson> but that error means that there are no entries in the Packages file on the CD with a Kernel-Version field matching the running kernel
[11:10] <cjwatson> rather than any specific package name
[11:10] <cjwatson> I'll clarify that message upstream
[11:11] <zimbatm> cjwatson, hmm
[11:12] <zimbatm> I'm using the latest packages from archive.ubuntu.com -> reprepro -> updated dist/pool on the CD
[11:12] <zimbatm> what's weird is that sometimes it work
[11:12] <cjwatson> that doesn't necessarily mean that the kernel you're booting the installer with matches, though
[11:12] <zimbatm> It's like they publish a new kernel, but *.udeb get updated later (that's what I suspect)
[11:13] <cjwatson> and you should also check the Packages files in dists/*/main/debian-installer/binary-*/ to make sure that they have Kernel-Version fields
[11:13] <cjwatson> your suspicion is incorrect
[11:13] <zimbatm> alright
[11:13] <cjwatson> however, the installer (dists/*/main/installer-*/current/images/) does need to be rebuilt against new kernel udebs, and *that* isn't immediate
[11:13] <cjwatson> so you should always make sure that they match
[11:17] <zimbatm> cjwatson, reprepro has fetcher the Kernel-Version tags correctly, now I will look for version correspondance
[11:20] <cjwatson> ogra: can you try applying http://paste.ubuntu.com/413578/, building, scping in the new libparted.so.0.0.1, and running parted_devices again?
[11:57] <ogra> cjwatson, will do
[11:59] <ogra> grrr ... cant wget from paste.u.c ... silly openid
[12:00] <persia> Just use a different pastebin
[12:09] <CIA-3> libdebian-installer: ogra * r203 libdebian-installer/ (debian/changelog src/system/subarch-arm-linux.c): add beagle omap3 support
[12:10] <CIA-3> libdebian-installer: ogra * r204 libdebian-installer/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.68ubuntu2
[12:14] <ogra> cjwatson, hmm, FTBFS
[12:14] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/413591/
[12:19] <ogra> weird, is_apple is clearly defined in gpt.c
[12:22] <ogra> oh, its surrounded by the #ifdef USE_DMI
[12:35] <zimbatm> cjwatson, thanks a lot for your help. Updating the CD's vmlinuz and initrd made the trick.
[12:48] <cjwatson> ogra: whoops.  Try http://paste.ubuntu.com/413606/ ?
[12:50] <ogra> cjwatson, i also have an issue with libdebian-installer somehow dh --builddirectory=build gets expanded to -O--builddirectory=build at build time, any idea why ?
[12:50] <ogra> its not that i would have changed anything but adding one line to the c source
[12:51] <cjwatson> what's wrong with that?
[12:51] <cjwatson> -O is documented in debhelper(7)
[12:52] <ogra> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35017551/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.libdebian-installer_0.68ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz is the upload from Nov ... it doesnt have that ... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44019882/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.libdebian-installer_0.68ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz has the -O
[12:52] <ogra> it looks broken that its directly attached to the --
[12:53] <ogra> its the only difference i can see ...
[12:54] <cjwatson> looks unrelated to me
[12:55] <cjwatson> directly attached is correct - see debhelper 7.4.12 changelog for why it's there
[12:55] <ogra> hmm, i would have read the manpage that it needs to be -O=--...
[12:55] <cjwatson> it works fine here the way it is.  I think this is a red herring
[12:55] <ogra> but if thats ok, then i dont know whats wrong here ...
[12:56] <ogra> oh, wait, seems the autoreconf doesnt run
[12:56] <cjwatson> could you let me prepare a new source package?
[12:57] <cjwatson> I'll fix it
[12:57] <cjwatson> not all the stuff is in bzr for historical reasons, and it requires care.  why didn't you use debdiff before uploading?
[12:57] <ogra> oh, sorry, i didnt know that
[12:58] <cjwatson> checking debdiff defends you against things you don't know :)
[12:58] <ogra> yeah, will do that the next time
[12:58] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:00] <CIA-3> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r205 ubuntu/debian/changelog: Reupload with the right autotools bits.
[13:01] <CIA-3> libdebian-installer: cjwatson * r206 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.68ubuntu3
[13:05] <ogra> that parted build looks better
[13:06]  * ogra waits for it to finish
[13:37] <ogra> cjwatson, successfully partitioned a disk on the beagle, go for an upload :)
[13:41] <cjwatson> cool, thanks
[13:42] <cjwatson> done
[13:42]  * ogra hugs cjwatson
[13:43] <ogra> now i only need the ugly flash-kernel-installer hackage
[13:43] <ogra> then beagle should work
[13:48] <cjwatson> silly trick for quickly testing grub changes
[13:49] <cjwatson> install new version and make very sure that grub.cfg is configured to show the menu by default, rather than using the default zero-delay hidden timeout
[13:49] <cjwatson> then: sudo kvm -hda /dev/sda
[13:50] <cjwatson> bit twisty, but a lot quicker than rebooting
[13:51] <cjwatson> as long as you make bloody sure not to actually boot an OS inside that kvm :-)
[13:52] <persia> heh.
[13:52] <persia> Would it be safe for dual-booters to boot an OS, as long as it wasn't the runing OS, or is it too much madness?
[13:59] <cjwatson> as long as no common partitions were mounted, I suppose
[13:59] <cjwatson> I wouldn't want to be the one to recommend this, though :-)
[14:06] <ev> michaelforrest: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallUpdatesWhenInstallingUbuntu
[14:23] <ogra> "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources."
[14:23] <ogra> whine
[14:23] <ogra> what magic am i missing ?
[14:27] <cjwatson> dunno, can I see the log?
[14:28] <ogra> once i'm done, i want to see where it fails next when moving on without a kernel
[14:28] <cjwatson> oh, I can guess
[14:28] <ogra> i added it to the boot and installer seeds
[14:28] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r399 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog kernel/armel.sh): Add armel/omap subarchitecture.
[14:28] <ogra> so i would have expected to be picked up from there
[14:28] <ogra> but i might miss something
[14:28] <cjwatson> that base-installer change should fix it
[14:28] <ogra> heh, thanks :)
[14:29] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r400 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.103ubuntu7
[14:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4071 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog finish-install.d/07oem-config-user):
[14:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Update finish-install.d/07oem-config-user for new location of KDE's
[14:43] <CIA-3> ubiquity: oem-config-prepare .desktop file (LP: #557309).
[15:45] <dmarkey> how for the possibly stupid question but where can i get daily netboot images?
[15:45] <dmarkey> sorry*
[15:47] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/lucid/ has the links.  the Xen build stuff is only on my hard disk right now though :)
[15:54] <dmarkey> even x86_64?
[15:55] <dmarkey> and the grub fix
[16:09] <davmor2> cjwatson: have the install options been removed from the live cd out of curiosity.  example install free software only?
[16:14] <cjwatson> should be on the f6 menu
[16:14] <cjwatson> dmarkey: maybe 64.  grub fix should be in
[16:20] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3930 testing/tests/run-frontend: Add a testPageNavigation test for r4041 / LP #556180.
[16:22] <dmarkey> modules are there anyway :)
[16:36] <rgreening> ev: are you going to push usb-creator 0.2.22? There's an important fix for Format under the KDE front-end.
[16:37] <ev> rgreening: will do
[16:37] <rgreening> thanks ev
[16:38] <rgreening> ev: new POT's need generation as well for the 'Erase Disk' change... so we get translations (unless you wish to revert that for now).
[16:40] <ev> indeed, I'm going to send a mail to ubuntu-translations
[16:40] <ev> and ubuntu-doc
[16:41] <dmarkey> cjwatson: grub bug is fixed, many thanks
[16:41] <rgreening> cool
[16:45] <CIA-3> debian-installer: ogra * r1281 ubuntu/build/config/armel/dove/netboot.cfg: make sure dove also uses INITRD_FS = initramfs for netboot, else it fails to uncompress the initrd LP: #541399
[16:47] <CIA-3> debian-installer: ogra * r1282 ubuntu/debian/changelog: update changelog for dove fix
[16:55] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r302 usb-creator/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.2.22
[16:55] <ev> rgreening: ^
[16:56] <rgreening> ty
[16:56] <rgreening> now to deal with the fallout regarding string changes in kubuntu-docs
[17:24] <ev> michaelforrest: wget http://popcon.ubuntu.com/main/by_inst -O - 2>/dev/null | egrep -w "language-support-[A-Za-z].." | less
[17:32] <michaelforrest> ev: why I like rubyL
[17:32] <michaelforrest> :
[17:32] <michaelforrest> file << line unless line =~ /^#/
[17:32] <michaelforrest> *LOVE ruby.
[17:34] <ev> michaelforrest: re vowel removal> I had to take a series of AS/400 programming courses in university (don't ask why).  We were told that the list of commands was designed by a "world renowned linguist" to be easily pronounceable and easily remembered.  Not so much - http://whatis.techtarget.com/content/0,290959,sid9_gci827107,00.html
[21:35] <cjwatson> ev: I'm thinking of http://paste.ubuntu.com/413884/ as a general approach to this oem-config removal bug
[21:35]  * ev looks
[21:41] <ev> cjwatson: that doesn't seem to handle the case whereby oem-config returns nonzero, but it otherwise looks good.
[21:41] <cjwatson> set -e
[21:41] <cjwatson> it could maybe do with a comment :-)
[21:41] <ev> ahh
[21:53] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4072 ubiquity/bin/ubiquity-dm: simplify set_locale
[22:41] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3931 testing/tests/run-frontend: Add testPluginTranslate test for bzr r4061.
[22:46] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3932 testing/tests/run-frontend: Clarify previous commit.


[09:52] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: FYI for kronosnet (which somewhat belongs to corosync) and is failing on i386 => https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-focal-kronosnet-i386/+merge/379877
[09:52] <cpaelzer> the commit message hopefully explains all the details
[09:53] <cpaelzer> so far I've seen you and vorlon retrying this test since the i386 switch
[09:54] <cpaelzer> at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/k/kronosnet/focal/i386 and since then it was part of the whitelist (but versioned to the former version)
[10:08] <cpaelzer> thanks LocutusOfBorg for the massive set of test triggers around llvm-8 - that will unblock a bunch of stuff
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, I hope it will make something migrate :D
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> e.g. having ocaml candidate was my primary goal
[11:17] <rbalint> hi, i'd like to perform a mini transition to kodi 18 later today
[11:18] <rbalint> all of the kodi-reverse deps need sourceful uploads and the main ones are built in ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/3204 , and i'm in the process of updating all addons on Salsa
[11:20] <rbalint> the reason of going ahead of Debian is libkodiplatform so bump being in NEW
[12:12] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: thanks! reviewing your merge
[12:17] <ahasenack> doko: hi, do you know about this glibc issue?
[12:17] <ahasenack> I just got this ping:
[12:17] <ahasenack> """
[12:17] <ahasenack> can we get this fixed in Ubuntu releases? https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23844#c14
[12:17] <ahasenack> It causes BIND 9.16 to deadlock under load.
[12:17] <ahasenack> """
[12:18] <ahasenack> comment #23 in that bug also says it's being seen in 18.04 in openvswitch
[12:26] <doko> ahasenack: no. infinity ^^^
[13:43] <tjaalton> ahasenack: btw, bind-dyndb-ldap upstream said it'll take a couple of weeks to get it ported to bind 9.16
[13:43] <ahasenack> cool, then we might be able to keep it
[13:44] <tjaalton> and get freeipa back
[13:46] <ahasenack> that needs pkcs11, no?
[14:15] <tjaalton> what does?
[14:16] <tjaalton> you mean opendnssec?
[14:19] <tjaalton> or if you mean the native-pkcs11 patch in the current bind, aiui that can go
[14:31] <ahasenack> tjaalton: I meant that native pkcs11 hack, yeah
[14:32] <tjaalton> I guess it works with openssl just the same
[14:34] <ahasenack> sounds like a better way forward even if it doesn't work on the first try
[14:52] <LocutusOfBorg> ricotz, you sure wrt meson upload? Explicit depends on rustc and valac, so autopkgtests can pick it up this should be useless
[14:53] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-defaults/1:2.5.2ubuntu1/+build/18596304
[14:53] <LocutusOfBorg> considering that the new code has this: " @skipIfNoExecutable('rustc')"
[14:54] <kanashiro> rafaeldtinoco, any issue with the sync?
[14:54] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro: nope, it was me
[14:54] <rafaeldtinoco> i had an issue with my container
[14:54] <rafaeldtinoco> let me sync it
[14:56] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro: syncpackage: Source ruby-defaults -> focal/Proposed: current version 1:2.5.2ubuntu1, new version 1:<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:57] <kanashiro> rafaeldtinoco, we want the version 1:2.7~0 from experimental which drops Ruby 2.5 support
[14:57] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, I think it has to go to unstable
[14:57] <rafaeldtinoco> for the sync
[14:57] <rafaeldtinoco> ahasenack: ^
[14:57] <ahasenack> hm?
[14:57] <rafaeldtinoco> can we "sync" from experimental ?
[14:57] <rafaeldtinoco> put a pkg on "sync" with experimental ?
[14:57] <ahasenack> in terms of tooling? yes
[14:58] <kanashiro> rafaeldtinoco, can't you use "-d experimental"?
[14:58] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro: yep, i wasnt sure if it would be ok
[14:58] <kanashiro> ah ok
[14:59] <rafaeldtinoco> alright. done.
[14:59] <kanashiro> because we don't have enough time to wait for Debian
[14:59] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[14:59] <rafaeldtinoco> let me check my email
[14:59] <rafaeldtinoco> if its good ill close the bug
[15:00] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, the changes are not new from this upload, also the depends are there so an upload to those packages trigger the autopkgtests which they wouldn't do otherwise, not to handle the missing compiler
[15:00] <rafaeldtinoco> kanashiro: alright. done
[15:00] <rafaeldtinoco> =) have fun
[15:03] <kanashiro> rafaeldtinoco, I am not quite sure how to proceed but I have a list of packages that needs to be rebuilt against ruby2.7, should I ask on #ubuntu-release for binNMUs or a core dev like you should help me on that?
[15:05] <tkamppeter> LocutusOfBorg, it seems that sane-backends is hanging on the gscan2pdf autopkgtest for arm64, and gscan2pdf fails generally on arm64. gscan2pdf is a Universe package where no one here at Ubuntu cares, simply auto-synced. Can we do an exception in the autopkg tests here?
[15:05] <rafaeldtinoco> I'm able to help. Let's get it published first and then we can start doing build only uploads
[15:05] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: I have a bug for gscan2pdf getting stuck on arm64
[15:05] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: upstream tried to help, but this wasn't reproduceable outside of canonistack instances
[15:05] <kanashiro> rafaeldtinoco, great, thanks for helping me on this :)
[15:06] <rafaeldtinoco> anytime!
[15:06]  * rafaeldtinoco goes for lunch now before meeting ;)
[15:06] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gscan2pdf/+bug/1860592 you might want to badtest it using this bug as the reason
[15:17] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, thanks, how do I "badtest" this?
[15:19] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, context?
[15:19] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, <LocutusOfBorg> ricotz, you sure wrt meson upload? Explicit depends on rustc and valac, so autopkgtests can pick it up this should be useless
[15:19] <LocutusOfBorg> tkamppeter, you have to ask release chanel...
[15:19] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, yes, but better convince debian to also add them...
[15:20] <LocutusOfBorg> in any case, removing is not making the situation worse, because now the code handles that case
[15:20] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, that's a different statement than 'this should be useless'
[15:20] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, true :D
[15:20] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, it does make a different as I just wrote
[15:21] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, without that the meson tests wouldn't trigger on a vala uplaod
[15:21] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean, this is now an useless delta, because it might trigger test failures that debian isn't experiencing, and we should convince them that they are real issues
[15:21] <seb128> but yes, ideally Debian would take those changes
[15:21] <LocutusOfBorg> opening RC bugs in Debian is trivial now that they have a ci
[15:21] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, it's not useless delta, it prevents us from regressions
[15:21] <LocutusOfBorg> but we have to convince them to extend testsuites
[15:21] <seb128> it makes meson be tested on vala updates
[15:21] <seb128> which wouldn't otherwise
[15:22] <LocutusOfBorg> will anybody open a bug against meson in debian with a patch? :)
[15:22] <seb128> but agreed, better to thave that in Debian
[15:22] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, I said to Rico that we should forward the change when he added it yes
[15:23] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, but feel free to it if you have free cycles since he didn't seem to have done it (yet)
[15:40] <rbasak> How long has vim defaulted to restoring the cursor to its previous position on a re-edit of a file?
[15:40] <rbasak> It keeps throwing me editing debian/changelog :-/
[15:40]  * rbasak isn't sure if he likes this or not
[15:40] <rbasak> Also on git commit messages
[15:42] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, LocutusOfBorg, did you already badtest something? On #ubuntu-release they say one needs to do a merge request on hints-ubuntu, and there seems to be no documentation about how this works.
[15:43] <rbasak> So what's the convention in our team for package merge MPs currently wrt. test builds, PPAs, and dep8?
[15:43] <rbasak> I never used to do anything but a local test build on amd64 only, but I think you've upped the bar nowadays?
[15:43] <rbasak> (in our team -> server team)
[15:44] <tkamppeter> ahasenak, seems that you have added "force-badtest gscan2pdf/2.6.3-1/arm64" could you update it or better expand it to all/arbitrary versions?
[15:46] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, it even contains a reference to your bug report. I found it via "blame" in the ubuntu-release file.
[15:47] <rbasak> ahasenack: oh look. You've done the PASSWORD -> SHA1 thing before! https://merges.ubuntu.com/p/pam-mysql/pam-mysql_0.8.0-1ubuntu3.patch
[15:52] <seb128> vorlon, libvisual autopkgtest fail on i386 because it depends on g++ ... IIRC you said to use build-essential instead? is it tehnically wrong to use g++ (I'm just trying to figure out what to write if I forward that request to Debian)
[15:59] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: it's the release tem who accepts or not merges against that branch
[15:59] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: what you should do next I think is propose a bump in the version of that hint
[16:00] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: this was the merge proposal I had for that, and that was merged: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/britney/gscan2pdf-badtest/+merge/377955
[16:00] <ahasenack> you can use it as a template
[16:00] <ahasenack> just add the new ubuntu version next in that line
[16:03] <ahasenack> rbasak: heh, good times
[16:04] <LocutusOfBorg> tkamppeter, thanks for doing it!
[16:05] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, I'll do it
[16:05] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, thanks!
[16:06] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, how do I clone the original bzr branch to my LP account so that I get a "Propose for merge" entry?
[16:06] <ahasenack> tkamppeter:      bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu
[16:07] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, this way I could download and edit it. But how do I "bzr push" it into my LP account?
[16:08] <ahasenack> you have to branch it, then hack on it, and then bzr push lp:~<yourlp>/britney/<name-of-your-branch>
[16:08] <tkamppeter> Why "britney"?
[16:08] <ahasenack> it's the name of the project
[16:10] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, now it works, thanks.
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, I sent the email, but you seem to have a failure on testsuite
[16:10] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: cool
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg> exhaustive           FAIL non-zero exit status 1
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg> crossbuild           FAIL non-zero exit status 1
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg> that exhaustive is failing ubuntu-only and not debian...
[16:10] <LocutusOfBorg> probably that valac /rustc addition?
[16:12] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, that wouldn't make any sense, those are pulled in in Debian as well by @build-depends@, it's not that the autopkgtest service doesn't know to use @build-depends@ to trigger other tests
[16:12] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, also where was 0.53.2 tested in Debian? it's not on https://ci.debian.net/packages/m/meson/unstable/amd64/ yet?
[16:13] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, it's the same failure than https://ci.debian.net/data/autopkgtest/unstable/amd64/m/meson/4340268/log.gz though
[16:14] <seb128> so maybe .2 didn't resolve the problem as Jussi though it would
[16:16] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, LocutusOfBorg: Here is my merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/379910 I hope it is correct.
[16:17] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: make it against britney/hints-ubuntu
[16:17] <ahasenack> not just britney
[16:17] <ahasenack> it's confusing, I also make that mistake a few times
[16:17] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: I mean the proposal, your branch is fine
[16:18] <ahasenack> click "resubmit" on the top right, and append "/hints-ubuntu" to the target
[16:18] <ahasenack> in the end, "merge into" in the mp page, should look like "lp:~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu"
[16:18] <ahasenack> and then your diff will show up correctly
[16:20] <kanashiro> rafaeldtinoco, re ruby 2.7 transition: we need to start with the packages in level 1 here: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/html/ruby2.7-add.html
[16:21] <rafaeldtinoco> wh0t ?1
[16:21] <rafaeldtinoco> lol
[16:21] <tkamppeter> Have done it. Now it reads: lp:~ubuntu-release/britney/hints-ubuntu
[16:22] <tkamppeter> ahasenack, why does this not work in the first place. Or why do we not switch to GitHub or GitLab?
[16:22] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: I'm not the one to answer these questions, sorry :)
[16:22] <ahasenack> I'm just a client, just like you :)
[16:25] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: is it still https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/379910 ?
[16:25] <ahasenack> ah, wait
[16:25] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, https://ci.debian.net/data/autopkgtest/testing/amd64/m/meson/4381867/log.gz
[16:25] <ahasenack> I see the superseeded bit
[16:25] <ahasenack> tkamppeter: yeah, diff looks correct now
[16:26] <LocutusOfBorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/379911
[16:26] <LocutusOfBorg> this one is nice
[16:28] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, that one is red though?
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, but exhaustive           PASS
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> you can see the run here https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/meson
[16:29] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, and not, the other fail is the other patch tumbleweed added in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meson/0.53.0-1ubuntu2
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> or here https://ci.debian.net/packages/m/meson/unstable/amd64/
[16:29] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, see https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/6656
[16:29] <seb128> it trigger the same issue in upstream CI
[16:29] <seb128> tumbleweed, ^
[16:30] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, so shouldn't we just revert the patch? :)
[16:31] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, you could but then it would fail on python missing
[16:31] <seb128> which Debian doesn't have as an issue atm
[16:31] <tumbleweed> that patch did the right thing on Ubuntu, but wasn't appropriate for Debian at the time
[16:31] <LocutusOfBorg> sure
[16:31] <tumbleweed> from my PoV, a quick hack, rather than trying to do something generic
[16:31] <LocutusOfBorg> why not move to python3?
[16:31] <seb128> tumbleweed, the tests and upstream CI fail with 'meson.build:20:2: ERROR: Assert failed: Didn't load python from config file'
[16:32] <seb128> tumbleweed, so seems it's buggy
[16:32] <seb128> in ubuntu
[16:32] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe xenial or whatever upstream has didn't have python2?
[16:32] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean, the symlink
[16:32] <tumbleweed> seb128: It got it to build on debian, where ubuntu1 didn't
[16:33] <tumbleweed> s/debian/ubuntu/
[16:33] <seb128> tumbleweed, it built but autopkgtests are failing due to it
[16:33] <seb128> so it didn't help much
[16:34] <tumbleweed> it must have passed, because it migrated
[16:34] <seb128> tumbleweed, anyway, I'm not interested to argue, was just pointing out that meson is still blocked because that patch created a regression
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> python2 not installed?
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> it is not listed in debian/tests/control lol
[16:34] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, /usr/bin/python got removed from focal
[16:34] <tumbleweed> right, so I should have updated debian/tests/control too
[16:34] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, I'm not saying that
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, python2 is not getting installed
[16:35] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, if python2 is needed it's easy to add to the control
[16:35] <LocutusOfBorg> in debian it is
[16:35] <tumbleweed> Debian hasn't removed /usr/bin/python, yet
[16:35] <seb128> still we need to fix the other issue (which is also in Debian)
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm it is not listed but it gets installed due to something else
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg>         self._simple_test('python2', 'python2')
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> that would fix it
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, can you please update the pull request?
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> so we get easy testing
[16:40] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, sure, will do that in a bit
[16:40] <LocutusOfBorg> <3
[16:43] <vorlon> seb128: build-essential gets handled specially by the patches to autopkgtest; so it's not "technically wrong", just incompatible with the current implementation for cross
[17:04] <seb128> vorlon, what's the right thing to state in a Debian bug report? 'please use build-essential instead of g++, should work the same for you and it fixes cross build in Ubuntu'?
[17:04] <vorlon> seb128: that's what I would say yes
[17:04] <seb128> vorlon, thanks
[17:05] <vorlon> seb128: if you want to steal some of my boilerplate language, you could use e.g. Debian bug #950303
[17:06] <seb128> vorlon, thanks
[17:35] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/6656 still not happy, so I don't find the issue in the log
[17:36] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, ah, I see it now
[17:36] <seb128> 'meson.build:1:0: ERROR: Value "python2" for combo option is not one of the choices. Possible choices are: "find_program", "config_dep", "python3", "python".'
[18:01] <ricotz> seb128, for my defence, I wrote jpakkane about it in #mesonbuild
[18:03] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, its self._simple_test('python', 'python2')
[18:03] <LocutusOfBorg> probably
[18:08] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, it is good, you probably need this vi "./test cases/unit/47 native file binary/meson_options.txt"
[18:08] <LocutusOfBorg> and then change python to python2
[18:08] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please try?
[19:10] <tumbleweed> On Python 2.7 doko: FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1864766 (there's a link at the bottom to a pypa discussion about this)
[20:06] <gbit86> Does anyone know if it is possible to configure xkb to cancel the Shift key if BOTH shift keys are held down?
[21:32] <ahasenack> infinity: hi, do you remember why this cross-compile patch wasn't forwarded to debian at the time? It has an explicit "Forwarded: not needed". Was it because it's from upstream, and it was thought it would be in a new upstream release by now?
[21:32] <ahasenack> infinity: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/vctTmQFSKn/
[21:37] <infinity> ahasenack: Exactly that, yes.  It was yeeeears ago, I kinda figured upstream would have released something including that by now.
[22:14] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/6703
[22:14] <LocutusOfBorg> this might be the solution
[22:24] <vorlon> seb128: libsoup2.4 fixed btw, new php had needed adding to the whitelist which is done now
[22:24] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, good, one less thing for me to refresh
[22:25] <seb128> vorlon, ah ok, that was still on my todo but I'm struggling a bit due to ff coming ... thanks for the status update and for fixing!
[22:25] <seb128> vorlon, I need also to read again L_aney's hints from yesterday about how the whitelist and refreshes are being handled
[22:26] <seb128> vorlon, while you are around, what's the word with icu? I'm still holding to upload some of the GNOME stuff but ff is tomorrow and I would prefer to no have to end up having to do ffe parperwork ... :)
[22:27] <vorlon> seb128: I intend to finish it today before I EOD; how much I have to break in anger to accomplish that is another question
[22:27] <vorlon> (I just had to roll back an upload of a ruby package which depends on icu, which would've entangled icu + ruby-defaults)
[22:27] <vorlon> seb128: is the stuff you're holding back currently in -proposed?
[22:27]  * sarnold hands vorlon a larger hammer
[22:28] <seb128> we don't have a a 'force in hammer' for those cases?
[22:28] <vorlon> we do have one
[22:28] <vorlon> but it's also a moving target because the force hammer only works if the versions of the packages in -proposed /stay the same/ between the time i write the hint and the time britney runs
[22:28] <seb128> vorlon, yes, like I want to upload webkit2gtk 2.27, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/2.26.4-1ubuntu1 is on the 'rebuilt with the new icu' list
[22:28] <vorlon> ack
[22:29] <vorlon> yeah please hold off just a little longer
[22:29] <seb128> also poppler and gnome-desktop transitions are started
[22:29] <vorlon> I think 1-2 britney runs and we should be there
[22:29] <seb128> but they can't be completed without rebuilding libreoffice and other things
[22:29] <seb128> k, hopefully things migrate by the time I start my day tomorrow :)
[22:30] <vorlon> if they haven't, then I am having a very bad day
[22:30] <seb128> let's hope you don't then :)
[22:45] <LocutusOfBorg> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-wNmXFW/264-libx11-dev_2%3a1.6.9-1_s390x.deb (--unpack):
[22:45] <LocutusOfBorg>  trying to overwrite '/usr/include/X11/extensions/XKBgeom.h', which is also in package x11proto-dev 2018.4-4
[22:47] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, https://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libx11/news/20200226T170800Z.html
[22:48] <seb128> which didn't autosync yet (might be worth doing a manual sync to avoid waiting?)
[22:48] <LocutusOfBorg> I did it :D
[22:48] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, ^^ I'm trying to fix therion
[22:48] <seb128> thx
[22:48] <LocutusOfBorg> also xorgproto syncd
[22:49]  * LocutusOfBorg goes to sleep
[22:49] <seb128> calling it a day on that note since the syncs/uploads I just did failed due to that bug
[22:49] <seb128> same here
[22:49] <LocutusOfBorg> g night
[22:49] <seb128> 'night!


[20:09]  * dutchie realises that he has forgotten to do any work on the personas
[20:10] <dutchie> compleletely accidentally ended up with the partially sighted mathematician
[20:10]  * dutchie looks at his -10D glasses and thinks about the maths degree he is starting in a week


[20:17] <n-iCe> is it true that xubuntu is better for laptops thans ubuntu desktop?
[20:17] <badsekter> you should ask about this in #hardware
[20:17] <brainwash> is your bios/uefi up-to-date?
[20:17] <Peyam> brainwash, yes.
[20:17] <badsekter> peyam, i highly doubt that it has anything to do with grub, like brainwash said
[20:18] <Peyam> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xa-PkDhhk
[20:18] <brainwash> n-iCe: in which regard?
[20:18] <badsekter> n-iCe: xubuntu is easier on resources
[20:18] <n-iCe> brainwash: dunno hehe read that
[20:18] <n-iCe> I'm in Ubuntu I like it, stock.
[20:22] <n-iCe> How do I install flash flashplugin-installer did not work
[20:22] <n-iCe> for chromium
[20:23] <n-iCe> pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[20:23] <badsekter> n-iCe: you can download it directly from adobe's website and copy it under ~/.mozilla/plugins/ or something (unzipped of course)
[20:24] <badsekter> not sure if flashplugin works with chromium, you may need firefox
[20:24] <n-iCe> pepperflash worked.
[20:25] <badsekter> cool
[20:25] <IhrFussel> n-iCe, Xubuntu runs smooth @ singlecore CPU & 512 MB RAM ... I doubt that stock Ubuntu could do that
[20:26] <BionicMac> Lubuntu is another light option.
[20:26] <IhrFussel> Even more lightweight than Xubuntu I think
[20:27] <lapaga> Actually mate is pretty light too
[20:28] <badsekter> i use fluxbox
[20:29] <n-iCe> uhm
[20:29] <n-iCe> im in ubuntu stock
[20:29] <n-iCe> but I'm in a i5 4yh generation and 8GB ram
[20:30] <n-iCe> will I notice any difference in lubuntu xubuntu or mate?
[20:30] <Skaface82> i thought it would be pretty smooth on a computer like that
[20:31] <lapaga> Unless you are starved it is just what you like
[20:34] <IhrFussel> n-iCe, your PC could even run Win 10 without any slowdown probably...it really doesn't matter with such specs
[20:37] <bencc1> this release file has wrong date?
[20:37] <bencc1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/InRelease
[20:37] <bencc1> I'm getting an error when trying to call apt-get update
[20:38] <bencc1> maybe my machine time is wrong
[20:38] <_KaszpiR_> bencc1 can be stale cache on the miror server, try again, it happens
[20:39] <n-iCe> IhrFussel: ok
[20:40] <bencc1> I updated the clock manually. not sure why ntp didn't do it
[20:40] <bencc1> now it's good
[20:49] <stefano_> Hello there
[20:49] <`whoami`> hi! Running live ubuntu 18.04 LTS to install it on some USB key; everything runs smooth, but at reboot I get "no bootable device detected" - secureboot is disabled, EFI is enabled
[20:50] <stefano_> I'm using kde and I click by mistake on a window "hide windows menu"
[20:50] <stefano_> someone know if there's a way to make that menu appear again?
[20:50] <`whoami`> It seems I should browse in BIOS to add the specific EFI file or something, but I don't have this option. Also, why would the live syste boot, but not the newly installed usb key ?
[20:50] <dfch> `whoami`: did you check on what to boot first record in bios?
[20:51] <`whoami`> yes
[20:51] <badsekter> stefano_: i would just delete ~/.kde and reboot
[20:51] <dfch> can you browse to efi from bios?
[20:51] <`whoami`> Also if I press F12 I get the boot menu, and the key doesn't show in that menu :/
[20:51] <dfch> efi file
[20:51] <`whoami`> dfch: nope
[20:51] <`whoami`> (but the live system does, when it's plugged in)
[20:52] <`whoami`> And it works on another computer.
[20:52] <stefano_> badsekter: but doing this I'm gonna lose all my kde settings or just the last ones?
[20:52] <badsekter> stefano_: all of them
[20:52] <`whoami`> So yeah, the issue is prolly the comp', but if any already had this issue ...
[20:52] <`whoami`> *anyone
[20:52] <badsekter> stefano_: just as a last resort
[20:53] <stefano_> badsekter: uhm alrigt I'm gonna dig a little bit more into the window settings then, as last resort I'm gonna delete .kde
[20:53] <stefano_> badsekter: Thanks!
[20:56] <l0llip0p> exit
[20:59] <matic> Good evening all :)
[21:00] <n-iCe> hi
[21:01] <matic> I had 14.04 on my current pc, with OpenGl 2, Im having a few issues with getting it installed on 18.04... can anyone help?
[21:02] <n-iCe> what issues
[21:03] <matic> Blender requires OpenGL 2.1 to run. Try updating your drivers.
[21:03] <matic> I checked driver
[21:04] <matic> according to lshw : 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[21:05] <matic> which leads me to find the 'upgrade your hardware' type of solution
[21:05] <matic> yet, under 14.04, ths wasnt an issue
[21:05] <kostkon> matic, try running it like this:  MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=2.1 blender
[21:06] <matic> kostkon, thank you, I'll try now
[21:07] <matic> kostkon, many many thanks, that seems to work :)
[21:07] <kostkon> matic, np
[21:08] <matic> and there I was fearing it would involve a ton of terminal work
[21:10] <ohoihoi> can anybody help me out quickly with xbindkeys?
[21:10] <ohoihoi> i want to map button 1 (left mouse click) to keycode 51 ("\" key)
[21:11] <kostkon> matic, you could update blender's desktop file. but instead of editing the one in /local/share/applications, just copy the blender .desktop to ~/.local/share/applications and edit the Exec line accordingly in that
[21:13] <kostkon> matic, make sure to change the file ownership if needed
[21:15] <matic> kostkon, thanks again, I was abut to ask how to make the change permanent
[21:15] <brainwash> ohoihoi: and what does not work? I assume you have read through the xbindkeys manual
[21:16] <ohoihoi> brainwash:  thank you for writing, i'm trying to edit the xbindkeysrc file using nano
[21:16] <ohoihoi> but i am unsure of what text i need to write in that config file to map keycode 51 to left mouse click
[21:20] <brainwash> ohoihoi: so, button 1 is b:1
[21:20] <brainwash> right?
[21:21] <ohoihoi> yes that makes sense to me :)
[21:21] <ohoihoi> and keycode 51 is b:51 or k:51 or key 51 or?
[21:22] <brainwash> you bind a key (combo) to a command
[21:22] <brainwash> with xbindkeys
[21:23] <brainwash> the command is probably "xdotool key backslash"
[21:23] <brainwash> so:
[21:23] <brainwash> "xdotool key backslash"
[21:23] <brainwash>  b:1
[21:30] <brainwash> ohoihoi: in this solution you obviously have to install xdotools beforehand
[21:30] <brainwash> xdotool I mean
[21:31] <pavlos> "xvkbd -no-jump-pointer -xsendevent -text '\'"
[21:31] <pavlos> b:1
[21:32] <matic> Guys, If I wanted to log my mousepointer co-ords on a mouse left click, how would you do it?
[21:33] <matic> I know xdotool getmmouselocation will give me the data I want, but how does one go about attaching an event to mouse 1 click?
[21:34] <brainwash> uhm
[21:34] <brainwash> matic: did you read the last couple of lines?
[21:35] <matic> yes, but im not yet got a good grasp of xvkbd
[21:35] <matic> *reads man page
[21:35] <brainwash> what about the lines even before that?
[21:36] <brainwash> the talk about xbindkeys
[21:37] <brainwash> and mapping mouse button 1 to a key
[21:38] <brainwash> doesn't this resemble your use case?
[21:39] <matic> sorry, yes it does, wish I hadnt asked now, thank you
[21:39] <brainwash> :)
[21:44] <pavlos> xev | grep root displays x,y as root:(x,y)
[21:52] <karolin> hi i like this http://www.thedubber.altervista.org/ip/
[21:54] <distrax> So.. Has anyone with a media server running 16.04 braved the 18.04 upgrade yet?
[22:01] <vavkamil> hello
[22:02] <vavkamil> is there some software that can sync two computers with ubuntu?
[22:02] <vavkamil> like install same software and set same settings?
[22:02] <oerheks> sure, rsync and grsync as a gui
[22:02] <oerheks> !info rsync
[22:03] <vavkamil> like rsync /etc ?\
[22:03] <vavkamil> idk if I can rsync whole / directory
[22:03] <oerheks> and a screenshot https://www.unixmen.com/grsync-gadmin-rsync-graphical-front-end-applications-rsync-tool/
[22:04] <oerheks> sure, with permissions/timestamp/compressed, whatever
[22:04] <vavkamil> I would give it a try
[22:05] <vavkamil> will gnome shell extension in browser work fork each system?
[22:06] <oerheks> if you get them from softwarecenter, yes
[22:07] <oerheks> other sources, maybe
[22:07] <vavkamil> I'm not sure if I should use snap
[22:08] <oerheks> snaps are oke, the new packaging way
[22:08] <vavkamil> it's basically like docker?
[22:08] <vavkamil> idk if apt-get update in 18.04 will update snap or no
[22:10] <oerheks> snaps refresh themselves,.. https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/reference/automatic-refreshes
[22:10] <oerheks> one can turn this off, but i see no legal reason why
[22:11] <vavkamil> thank you
[22:34] <protocol_hive> i am having an issue with installing oh-my-zsh, stating that zsh is not installed when indeed it is? anyone else having the same problem with 18.04?
[22:43] <ikkuranus> Does secondary groups not apply to file/folder permissions?
[23:01] <kristenbb> hello, i'm using ubuntu 16.04, and the ubuntu launcher doesn't show anymore. I've tried many things on the web, such as apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop and rm -rf ~/.config, but it still doesnt work. any help please?
[23:03] <eelstrebor> anyone using zoneminder? i'm trying to set it up but their wiki is terrible
[23:09] <ShamelessHussy> i am going to ask a shameless despicable question so all those with feeling just turn away
[23:10] <ShamelessHussy> right here goes
[23:10] <tytan> alright, who thought netplan is a good idea?
[23:10] <ShamelessHussy> does 18.05 have FULLY functioning bluetooth?
[23:11] <gogeta> ShamelessHussy, dunno we dont have a 18.05
[23:11] <shpx> high quality response
[23:11] <ShamelessHussy> oh 18.04 /shameless
[23:12] <gogeta> ShamelessHussy, relly if its not working for you its probly a driver thing
[23:12] <gogeta> ShamelessHussy, as most wifi cards also have bluetooth
[23:12] <tytan> isn't bluetooth mainly handled by the kernel?
[23:13] <gogeta> tytan, indeed but if thers no driver for you card or its broken you get the idea
[23:13] <oerheks> systemsettings > bluetooth, go wild ..
[23:13] <tytan> gogeta: +
[23:17] <phil42> i tried to install 18.04 today and failed.  that hasn't ever happened before
[23:18] <blaster> What octet is this? -rw-rw-r--
[23:20] <blaster> 664, thanks!
[23:22] <kristenbb> hello, i'm using ubuntu 16.04, and the ubuntu launcher doesn't show anymore. I've tried many things on the web, such as apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop and rm -rf ~/.config, but it still doesnt work. any help please?
[23:23] <gogeta> kristenbb, dconf reset -f / will reset everything to stock
[23:24] <kristenbb> gogeta, i tried that too, and rebooted, but it didn't work
[23:25] <tytan> gogeta: what do you think about the switch to netplan?
[23:27] <21WAAHS20> @eelstrebor: I use zoneminder for few year already. I can help you.
[23:29] <21WAAHS20> @eelstrebor: Let’s go to PM. It’s off topic here.
[23:36] <lolz> how do i display all opened windows on my desktop?
[23:36] <lolz> what to do
[23:36] <lolz> what to click
[23:36] <lolz> like task view
[23:36] <lolz> how
[23:37] <bazhang> lolz, get an extension from the gnome plugin site to do so
[23:37] <lolz> bazhang: ty
[23:37] <bazhang> np
[23:41] <lolz> wtf bazhang i just had to click on "Activities" at the top bar
[23:42] <lolz> man that looks blurry
[23:42] <lolz> af
[23:43] <crimson_king> lolz, Super key (windows key, command key) does that too
[23:43] <lolz> crimson_king: you're right, tyvm
[23:46] <lolz> ham bologna is so yummy & cheap
[23:47] <bazhang> lets stay topical here please lolz
[23:47] <lolz> almost 0 carbs per slice
[23:47] <lolz> k bazhang
[23:47] <bazhang> offtopic chatter to #ubuntu-offtopic please lolz
[23:48] <lolz> bazhang: they're not so friendly
[23:48] <lolz> or i'm too offtopic to them


[00:18] <RenatoSilva> I reveive this error while trying to change description of bug 181102: "Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document."
[00:18] <RenatoSilva> * receive
[00:20] <ScottK> RenatoSilva: It's a known bug.  I don't know the bug number.
[00:20] <RenatoSilva> ok
[04:06] <Sourcegeek> Hi all
[04:07] <Sourcegeek> When i try to download a file, it returns me an error
[04:07] <mwhudson> Sourcegeek: example?
[04:08] <Sourcegeek> mwhudson: This:           Please try again                    Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.                             Try reloading this page in a minute or two.           If the problem persists, let us know in           the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.                  Thanks for your patience.
[04:08] <mwhudson> Sourcegeek: is this in the bazaar.launchpad.net source code viewer?
[04:08] <Sourcegeek> mwhudson: This URL: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~turl/%2Bjunk/ircbot/files/53
[04:11] <mwhudson> Sourcegeek: is it working now?
[04:11] <mwhudson> it seems to be ok again
[04:12] <Sourcegeek> im going to check it
[04:12] <Sourcegeek> wait a moment please
[04:13] <Sourcegeek> mwhudson: Thanks, its working now :)
[04:13] <mwhudson> Sourcegeek: i didn't do anything, so np :)
[04:13] <mwhudson> i need to find some time to make that service less flakey though...
[04:13] <Sourcegeek> I think it went a serven problem..... lol
[04:13] <Sourcegeek> mwhudson: Yeah, the server
[04:14] <Sourcegeek> Ok im out now
[04:14] <Sourcegeek> Thanks
[06:12] <jderose> Hello, I'm trying to use the VCS import service to import a git branch.  The resulting branch is at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/freeipa/master
[06:13] <jderose> The import is failing, it believe because of some trailing white space when I pasted in the git URI. I don't seem to be able to edit it myself, can anyone in the ~vcs-imports team help me?
[06:53] <mwhudson> jderose: one sec
[06:53] <jderose> mwhudson: awesome, thanks
[06:53] <mwhudson> jderose: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/freeipa/test-freeipa <- was this you?
[06:54] <mwhudson> jderose: in any case, it's the branch you want i think
[06:54] <jderose> mwhudson: yes, that was me earlier.  i'd like that one deleted, if possible
[06:54] <mwhudson> jderose: oh ok
[06:54] <jderose> i'm mostly doing the import again to check that everything works okay with 2a format
[06:55] <mwhudson> jderose: ok, should be ready to go soon
[06:56] <jderose> mwhudson: great, thanks so much for your help!
[06:59] <jderose> mwhudson: how do you feeling about doing a strip() to remove leading and trailing whitespace off of the URI when one submits a request at https://code.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new ?
[07:02] <mwhudson> jderose: it would be a good idea yes
[07:02] <mwhudson> jderose: there
[07:02] <mwhudson> 's a bug report somewhere...
[07:22] <jderose> mwhudson: okay, i'll check it out.  thanks again.
[08:42] <al-maisan> Good morning!
[08:43] <Phurl> hi all
[08:43] <Phurl> where can I find a rss feed of my lauchpad project
[08:57] <Appiah> Is it possible to use the bugtracker in launchpad for wishlist? I cant find it
[08:58] <Phurl> http://feeds.edge.launchpad.net/~kosova/+junk/openstreetmapkosova/branch.atom
[09:30] <funkyHat> How do I unmark a bug as duplicate?
[09:31] <funkyHat> Oh found it
[09:31] <funkyHat> :)
[10:42] <Lunkwill> hi, I've been trying for weeks to delete a series from a launchpad project that another developer added by accident.
[10:43] <Lunkwill> it keeps telling me " Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. "
[10:43] <Ursinha-sprint> Lunkwill, do you have the link that's failing? It's failing consistently since the first time you tried or this message you're getting just now?
[10:44] <Lunkwill> Ursinha-sprint: the url is https://launchpad.net/nav/4.0/+delete and it's been failing consistently for weeks (even before the upgrade to launchpad 3)
[10:45] <Ursinha-sprint> Lunkwill, you're not able to load this page? loaded instantly to me here
[10:45] <Lunkwill> Oh, it loads instantly for me as well, but all it says is "Please try again.  Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[10:45] <Lunkwill> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[10:45] <Lunkwill> Thanks for your patience."
[10:47] <Ursinha-sprint> Lunkwill, how come it loads and displays the error message at the same time? :)
[10:47] <Ursinha-sprint> when I say it loads, I mean it loads the page as it should be
[10:48] <Lunkwill> Ursinha-sprint:  well, for me it loads a page with that exact message in the HTML content.
[10:50] <Lunkwill> Ursinha-sprint: sorry, forgot to say that this error appears when doing a POST request against that URL
[10:50] <Lunkwill> Which is what happens when I push the "Delete this series" form button on the GET-version of the page.
[10:52] <peso> I'm trying to set a translations export branch, but get an error "invalid value". The branch is lp:~tortoisehg-i18n/tortoisehg/unstable-po and the page with the export formular is https://translations.launchpad.net/tortoisehg/unstable/+link-translations-branch
[10:52] <Lunkwill> Ursinha-sprint: looking at the HTTP headers, the return error code is 502 Bad Gateway
[10:52] <peso> I'm unable to locate the branch via the "Choose.." link, but I can read its content via web https://code.launchpad.net/~tortoisehg-i18n/tortoisehg/unstable-po
[10:54] <peso> Any ideas?
[10:58] <wgrant> peso: At the moment, I believe that you can only specify a branch that *you* own (not a team). You can change the branch's owner later.
[10:58] <cwickert> connection dropped, not sure if my question reached this chan, so once again
[10:58] <cwickert> how to search several "projects" in launchpad? I'd like to see all xfce related bugs in jaunty, although these are ~ 25 projects
[10:58] <peso> wgrant: thanks! I'll do that
[10:58] <wgrant> cwickert: You mean packages, rather than projects?
[10:58] <cwickert> wgrant: well, the search form says "projects"
[10:59] <wgrant> cwickert: That probably doesn't search through what you think it does.
[10:59] <wgrant> cwickert: You want to search for bugs in those packages *in Ubuntu*, right?
[11:00] <cwickert> wgrant: as LP is not used by upstream Xfce, yes
[11:00] <wgrant> cwickert: In that case you want to search in a package, not a project.
[11:00] <wgrant> cwickert: However there is no way to search through multiple targets at once, unfortunately.
[11:00] <wgrant> Well, there is, sort of.
[11:00] <cwickert> wgrant: so what is the best way? a tracker?
[11:01] <cwickert> wgrant: or how to search for status, e.g. all open Xfce bugs?
[11:01] <wgrant> cwickert: One of my teams, ~motuscience, is subscribed to all of the science-related packages in Ubuntu. I can then go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1, and enter the team name as the bug contact.
[11:01] <wgrant> cwickert: Launchpad doesn't know about this 'XFCE' thing.
[11:02] <wgrant> That will give me a list of bugs in all the packages to which ~motuscience is subscribed.
[11:02] <wgrant> ('Bug supervisor', not 'Bug contact', sorry)
[11:03] <cwickert> wgrant: thanks for the link, the search form is much better than the one on the frontpage. I wonder why it is so well hidden?!
[11:03] <wgrant> cwickert: Well, you're really meant to start from the project/distro page (eg. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu) and go from there to the bugs page for the project.
[11:04] <cwickert> wgrant: but I don't know the name of Ubuntu's Xfce maintainer, so I have no idea who to search for
[11:04] <wgrant> cwickert: Whereas you've gone to https://bugs.launchpad.net/, which is less specific so is less useful.
[11:05] <cwickert> wgrant: ok, I surf to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu but I still don't see a link to the form you showed me
[11:05] <wgrant> cwickert: 'Advanced search'
[11:05] <cwickert> wgrant: sorrym my bad
[11:06] <wgrant> It is less obvious than it used to be.
[11:06] <wgrant> It used to be immediately to the left of the Search button
[11:06] <cwickert> wgrant: but the advanced search is useless if I don't know the name of the subscriber(s), right?
[11:07] <cwickert> wgrant: another (stupid) question: what's the use of having https://launchpad.net/xfce and https://launchpad.net/xfce-project in LP?
[11:08] <wgrant> cwickert: That's right. There is probably a team already. Hit 'Subscribe to bug mail' for a few packages and look at the list in the sidebar. See if there's a reasonable-looking team.
[11:08] <wgrant> cwickert: For linking Ubuntu bugs to upstream bugtrackers.
[11:09] <cwickert> wgrant: there hardly is any information on these pages, e.g. no link to bugzilla.xfce.org
[11:10] <cwickert> wgrant: but at least ti gives me the name of the team: xubuntu-team
[11:16] <cwickert> wgrant: ok, not I search for the xubutu-team bugs and get 359 results. If I limit the query to Ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 I get zero.
[11:16] <wgrant> cwickert: That's because bugs are only specifically marked as affecting a release if a post-release update is going to happen.
[11:16] <wgrant> (many Ubuntu developers feel that this is a bug in Launchpad)
[11:17] <cwickert> wgrant: so what would I do to get all Xfce 4.6 bugs? (4.6 was released with 9.04)
[11:17] <wgrant> cwickert: Panic.
[11:17] <wgrant> cwickert: It's not possible at this time.
[11:18] <cwickert> wgrant: great ;)
[11:18] <cwickert> wgrant: but thanks a million for your help
[11:18] <wgrant> cwickert: np
[11:53] <al> hey, can someone here maybe fix the git branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/quassel/trunk ? it seems to be affected by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-git/+bug/382609
[11:57] <intellectronica> al: can you please file a question. codehosting folks will be around later in the day, so they can have a look
[12:02] <al> intellectronica: ok, did that. thanks
[12:08] <yofel> hi, I frequently get 'Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document.' when editing a bug description in firefox or epiphany, does anybody else get this?
[12:10] <Peng_> Yes, some people do. I forget the details, though.
[12:12] <Peng_> yofel: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/423924
[12:12] <yofel> Peng_: thx
[12:25] <lodder> why can't I change the expected date of a milestone?
[13:13] <lodder> why can't I change the expected date of a milestone?
[13:17] <jml> lodder, I don't know.
[13:21] <MTecknology> lodder: edge?
[13:34] <pmatulis> i am receiving bugmail for package 'ltsp (in ubuntu)'.  when i follow the bug link LP gives me the option to subscribe.  also, when i view all ltsp (in ubuntu) bugs in LP they are not the same as those in my inbox
[13:36] <pmatulis> k, looks like i'm getting notified and not due to subscription
[13:40] <pmatulis> not sure why i'm not being notified for all bugs
[13:44] <lodder> Why can't i change the expected released date of a milestone?
[13:44] <MTecknology> lodder: I think you asked that already..
[13:46] <MTecknology> lodder: was it maybe marked released?
[13:48] <lodder> MTecknology: yea but I lost connection
[13:48] <MTecknology> exit
[13:48] <lodder> no it isn't marked released
[13:49] <lodder> https://launchpad.net/time-drive/+milestone/0.3 --> I can't change the date excepected
[14:00] <intellectronica> pmatulis: are you subscribed as a member of a team?
[14:00] <intellectronica> pmatulis: which bug?
[14:00] <pmatulis> intellectronica: no, individual
[14:01] <intellectronica> pmatulis: what does the message header say?
[14:02] <pmatulis> intellectronica: for the mail i *am* getting?
[14:02] <intellectronica> pmatulis: yes
[14:03] <intellectronica> pmatulis: also, what bug #?
[14:03] <pmatulis> intellectronica: X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: Subscriber (ltsp in ubuntu)
[14:03] <intellectronica> pmatulis: right, so you're subscribed to the package, not to the bug
[14:04] <pmatulis> intellectronica: but the bug says i'm a "notifieree" (terminology?)
[14:04] <MTecknology> lodder: sorry- interenet died here | I'd probably file a question about it at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad. If it's a bug they can change it into one with the needed details. Otherwise they should be able to tell you way.
[14:04] <pmatulis> intellectronica: that's ok, means i'll get all bugs right?
[14:05] <intellectronica> pmatulis: does it really say "notifieree"?!
[14:05] <pmatulis> intellectronica: no
[14:05] <pmatulis> intellectronica: just trying to find a term similar to "subscriber"
[14:05] <intellectronica> pmatulis: oh, you mean you're "also notified". yes, that's where you'll be if you're subscribed to the package
[14:06] <pmatulis> intellectronica: just don't understand why when i searched for all ltsp bugs i am not getting bugmail for them
[14:07] <pmatulis> intellectronica: however, i just became "also notified" for them too (again?)
[14:07] <intellectronica> pmatulis: can you please give me some example bug numbers?
[14:07] <pmatulis> intellectronica: one moment
[14:07] <intellectronica> pmatulis: if you're subscribed to the package you'll be "also notified" for all bugs in that package
[14:07] <pmatulis> intellectronica: that's what's bugging (!) me b/c it doesn't seems to be happening
[14:08] <pmatulis> intellectronica: one moment
[14:09] <intellectronica> pmatulis: so basically what you're saying is that you're subscribed to the package but you're not getting as much email as you'd expected?
[14:10] <pmatulis> intellectronica: yes.  it sounds like there may be 2 packages here...
[14:10] <pmatulis> intellectronica: but i can't find out how
[14:10] <intellectronica> pmatulis: i don't understand
[14:13] <pmatulis> intellectronica: ok, i am here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp
[14:13] <pmatulis> intellectronica: why does it offer "Subscribe to bug mail"?
[14:14] <pmatulis> intellectronica: when i have already done so?  is that just a UI bug?
[14:14] <intellectronica> pmatulis: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/419965 :)
[14:14] <intellectronica> it is indeed a UI bug. i'll try to fix it later today
[14:14] <pmatulis> ah
[14:14] <pmatulis> ok
[14:15] <pmatulis> my other troubles were due to the fact that i was mixing up subscribe and notified, as well as not properly filtering the bugs (i wasn't seeing everything)
[14:15] <intellectronica> pmatulis: though the proposed fix, i'm now worried, might not be good enough. in your situation, you'd get exactly the same ui, which i understand is confusing
[14:16] <intellectronica> pmatulis: maybe something like "Edit your subscription" will be more appropriate?
[14:17] <pmatulis> intellectronica: the two methods should be clearer and not seen as 2 unrelated options
[14:17] <intellectronica> pmatulis: i don't understand. what two methods?
[14:18] <pmatulis> intellectronica: mail due to bug subscription and mail due to package subscription
[14:19] <intellectronica> pmatulis: they are distinct in the headers, and you appear in a different place on the bug itself. how else do you think we should distinguish them?
[14:21] <pmatulis> intellectronica: in the UI i mean.  if sub to package, in "all bugs" page: "You are subscribed to bug mail", if sub to bug, in "individual bug" page it should say the same thing
[14:23] <intellectronica> pmatulis: the problem is that you can be subscribed indirectly, through teams and through the distribution, and you can edit these subscription. that makes it a bit more complicatedto come up with a good description
[14:24] <pmatulis> intellectronica: don't see why, it all comes down to your ID
[14:25] <intellectronica> pmatulis: right, but the actions you can take are varied. you can subscribe or unsubscribe yourself, or one of the teams you're in
[14:26] <pmatulis> intellectronica: ok, i guess i see it different as a regular user
[14:28] <intellectronica> pmatulis: but the fact that it's complicated doesn't mean that we shouldn't come up with a better UI. i think there's a lot of confusion around that, so i am very eager to hear ideas, or even just critique
[14:29] <pmatulis> intellectronica: well i gave my 2 cents: let the user know what the score is near the top of a page
[14:29] <intellectronica> pmatulis: thanks. i think this is a really good idea
[14:30] <pmatulis> intellectronica: btw, is it possible to subscribe to a bug as well as the corresponding package?  with the UI let you?
[14:31] <intellectronica> pmatulis: yes it is (and if you then cancel one of the subscriptions the other will remain)
[14:32] <pmatulis> intellectronica: do you get 2 emails for every bug event?
[14:32] <intellectronica> pmatulis: no, you only get one
[14:33] <pmatulis> intellectronica: maybe the user should be alerted: "Hey dude!  You're already subscribed to bugmail for package foo.  Proceed anyway to subscribe to this bug?"
[14:35] <intellectronica> pmatulis: hmmmm ... i'm not sure, that could be pretty annoying to users who are doing this intentionally, and there's no harm if you do it unintentionally (well, there is a bit if you the unsubscribe and don't understand why you're still getting email, but nothing more)
[14:36] <pmatulis> intellectronica: it doesn't have to be as longwinded as i stated, not sure why that would be very annoying
[14:37] <intellectronica> pmatulis: maybe if we put it in the subscribe box as a message, but not require confirmation? i think that's a nice way to handle that because it's informative but not intrusive
[14:39] <pmatulis> intellectronica: sure
[14:39] <pmatulis> intellectronica: in a user's profile does it state what packages are subscribed to?  if not, that would be nice
[14:40] <intellectronica> pmatulis: no, there's no place to see all your subscriptions. i agree that would make working with subscriptions much easier
[15:04] <liw> when bugs in LP are linked to upstream bug trackers, should LP report their bug statuses? I don't think it is working in all cases
[15:04] <beuno> liw, I think LP does when there are equivalents
[15:04] <liw> LP: #203157 (to Debian) and LP: #160996 (GNOME) for example
[15:04] <beuno> that said, gmb is the resident expert
[15:05] <liw> the Debian bug is closed, LP claims it's confirmed
[15:05] <beuno> maybe bug watches aren't managing to keep up
[15:05]  * beuno waits for someone from the bugs team to look
[15:06] <beuno> deryck?
[15:06] <deryck> beuno, oddly someone else was just asking me about this.  checking on things now.
[15:12] <gmb> liw, beuno, deryck: This is bug 383467.
[15:13] <gmb> The Gnome ones should be sorted out today (new code and we're going to update all 13,000+ of them)
[15:13] <gmb> The debbugs ones I'm not so sure about, but haven't really had time to investigate yet.
[15:14] <lodder> MTecknology: ok i'll ask the question
[15:15] <liw> gmb, ok, it's being taken care of, thanks
[15:18] <lodder> MTecknology: where should I ask the question?
[15:18] <MTecknology> lodder: that link I gave you
[15:20] <lodder> MTecknology: could you please resend the link I don't see it
[15:20] <MTecknology> lodder: answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[15:21] <lodder> MTecknology: thx
[15:44] <slacker_nl> hello
[15:44] <slacker_nl> could it be possible to create a bug directly via launchpad instead of redirecting me to a wiki page?!?
[15:44] <Peng_> What?
[15:45] <jamalta> slacker_nl: where are you trying to create a bug from?
[15:45] <slacker_nl> jamalta: lp itself
[15:45] <slacker_nl> i'm logged in, at the debian installer section, report a bug > redirects me to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[15:45] <pmatulis> slacker_nl: use the ubuntu-bug utility
[15:46] <slacker_nl> pmatulis: i'm not on ubuntu atm
[15:46] <pmatulis> slacker_nl: ah, great point
[15:46] <slacker_nl> not really user friendly if i might add
[15:47] <pmatulis> $ ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug ?
[15:47] <slacker_nl> lol
[15:47] <slacker_nl> i don't mind pushing people to apport, but I would like to be able to report bug the old fashioned way too
[15:49] <maxb> slacker_nl: Yeah, it's annoying and overly heavy handed :-(
[15:49] <maxb> You can bypass it by appending ?no-redirect to the URL
[15:49] <slacker_nl> maxb: i just figured that out
[15:49] <slacker_nl> thnx though :)
[16:45] <mok0> Is there a bzr command that just prints out the current revno?
[16:45] <Peng_> mok0: "bzr revno".
[16:45] <mok0> Peng, thanks (d'Oh!)
[16:45] <Peng_> :D
[16:46] <mok0> hehe
[16:47] <mok0> Peng_: there is no other way to get the revno into a file is there? I am thinking of something like CVS'es $Id:$ expansion
[16:47] <Peng_> mok0: I don't know what the status of keyword expansion is.
[16:48] <mok0> Peng_: I think many consider it A Bad Thing
[16:48] <Peng_> mok0: Indeed. Partially as an excuse for not supporting it. :P
[16:49] <mok0> Peng_, but I think it may be useful to include the revno as a string into the app
[16:49] <Peng_> mok0: http://bazaar-vcs.org/KeywordExpansion for one.
[16:49]  * Peng_ points to #bzr
[16:49]  * mok0 looks
[16:49] <mok0> thanks, Peng_
[17:03] <menesis> can I ask here for translation import to be reviewed, or do I have to file a question on rosetta?
[17:52] <rsalveti> hi, I'm trying to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~malept/bzr-gentoo-overlay/overlay-main branch, but launchpad says that's updating it, but the last time it was trying to update was actually 2 days ago
[17:53] <rsalveti> probably something wrong happened, but how to identify/report that?
[18:39] <pmatulis> how does one check if a PPA is available for a certain package?
[18:42] <mneptok> pmatulis: search LP?
[18:42] <pmatulis> mneptok: ha ha
[18:44] <pmatulis> mneptok: k, found a link
[18:44] <james_w> pmatulis: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[18:44] <james_w> the search there should work
[18:44] <pmatulis> james_w: thank you
[18:47] <virtuald> is there an irc bot that can search launchpad bugs?
[18:49] <virtuald> i know very little perl, python and tcl so i don't really know where to start.
[19:53] <arand> I was doing the survey on comprehesibilty of launchpad icons, and I find the survey rather incomprehensible... The first question highlights a section, not an icon...
[19:59] <beuno> arand, good point
[20:00] <beuno> the icon is on the right of the section
[20:00] <beuno> but it'
[20:00] <beuno> it's a good observation that the icon isn't very obvious  :)
[20:00] <beuno> oh, and thanks for taking the survey  :)
[20:03] <arand> Indeed, I was struggiling quite a while, before deciding with 70% certainty that "icon" meant the tiny image and not the "item visual representation" of everything that was highlighted  (40%) :D
[20:04] <beuno> arand, that is the feedback we're after!
[20:24] <geser> kfogel: I don't want to sound impatient, but it would be really cool to see the toc on https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/ in a not too distant future. do you have any info when the change will land there?
[20:25] <kfogel> geser: hmmm.  No -- I thought it would be deployed already, but for some reason it's not.  It's landed in trunk.  Want to just post on launchpad-dev {_AT_} lists.launchpad.net and ask?
[20:26] <geser> kfogel: will do
[20:26] <kfogel> geser: I'll watch for it -- I'm curious too!
[20:46] <arand> beuno: That survey was quite interesting, truns out my guesses for the box&cog were both wrong, dispite having used launchpad a few years. Also, it is only now I've relised that the edit icon is in fact a pencil and not an exclamation mark, which I've always identified it as (and been somewhat puzzled by)
[20:47] <beuno> arand, you'd be surprised how many people have said the same thing about the edit icon
[20:47] <beuno> we're still processing the results, but we'll publish them as soon as we do
[20:47] <beuno> (and change icons accordingly)
[20:48] <maxb> huh. I've never thought it anything but a pencil
[20:48] <maxb> Where is this survey, btw?
[20:49] <beuno> maxb, http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=8hXmjrmFS7TmQCjh7jJB_2bQ_3d_3d
[20:49] <beuno> that's the second pass
[20:49] <beuno> the first one we've already closed
[20:50] <maxb> that one's also closed :-)
[20:56] <arand> maxb: http://blog.launchpad.net/ < last post contains last survey, was open just 10 min ago...
[21:02] <maxb> This survey is ridiculous
[21:03] <maxb> Anyone who is a moderately competent Launchpad user is disbarred from participating because the survey calls for mandatory confusion
[21:11] <jamalta> more surveys!
[21:11] <jamalta> oh wait, i already did that one... oops
[21:14]  * maxb has responded "foo" "bar" and "baz" a lot
[21:15] <maxb> People designing surveys should pay more attention to whether their users will have anything relevant to put in all the boxes before insisting they all be filled in
[21:16] <cody-somerville> What would cause 'lazr.restfulclient.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable' from launchpadlib?
[21:16] <maxb> I am distressed that the future UI of Launchpad is being determined to any extent by a survey which has managed to so thoroughly earn my disdain
[21:26] <Ursinha-afk> hi rockstar :) are you there by chance?
[21:27] <rockstar> Ursinha, yes, I am indeed here.  What's up?
[21:27] <Ursinha> rockstar, do you know what can be causing this branch to fail mirroring: https://code.launchpad.net/~malept/bzr-gentoo-overlay/overlay-main
[21:27] <Ursinha> rockstar, I mean, where can I see the traceback or something when a problem like this happens?
[21:28] <PsyberS> how do i get the commit messages to link to my lp user page? for example these are not linked -> https://code.launchpad.net/~do-plugins/do-plugins/nmdocklet
[21:29] <PsyberS> (i have already done 'bzr lp-login' on each machine)
[21:29] <Ursinha> PsyberS, you have to set your username using bzr whoami
[21:29] <Ursinha> is that set correctly?
[21:30] <rockstar> PsyberS, bzr whoami
[21:30] <PsyberS> so just 'bzr whoami user'?
[21:30] <rockstar> Ursinha, I think all the information you need is there.  The user changed the http configuration and broke the branch.
[21:31] <Ursinha> ouch
[21:31]  * Ursinha looks
[21:31] <rockstar> PsyberS, `bzr whoami "Your Fullname<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:31] <Ursinha> rockstar, how do you know that?
[21:32] <rockstar> Ursinha, actually, um, I'm not sure that's it, but that's what it kinda looks like.  "An attempt to access a url outside the server jail was made:"
[21:32] <rockstar> Ursinha, also, this probably should take place in #launchpad-dev
[21:35] <Ursinha> rsalveti, ^
[21:38] <PsyberS> Ursinha, rockstar: awesome thanks, that fixed it up :)
[21:39] <Ursinha> PsyberS, great :)
[21:39] <PsyberS> probably no way to fix old commits though is there?
[21:40] <rockstar> PsyberS, nope, not really.
[21:40] <PsyberS> ah well, people will figure it out if needed :)
[21:46] <mwhudson> rockstar, Ursinha: i think that error means a badly configured bzr+http server
[21:59] <lifeless> rockstar: mwhudson: there were a release or two where the http bzr server was bust
[22:00] <mwhudson> i thought the message was somewhat familiar
[22:33] <wgrant> cody-somerville: A timeout, generally.
[23:24] <fale> hi
[23:24] <fale> I would like to report a bug... but now is a very difficult procedure... is there an easy way to do so?
[23:30] <wgrant> fale: What's difficult about it?
[23:31] <fale> wgrant: disappeard the way to do it directly from launchpad..
[23:32] <wgrant> fale: The wiki page describes several easy ways to do it.
[23:32] <wgrant> fale: Does "Help » Report a problem" not work?
[23:32] <fale> wgrant: mmm I think the easyest way was the only one removed -.-
[23:33] <wgrant> fale: Perhaps a click or two easier for you, but the information that the other methods add makes the developers' and triagers' lives much easier.
[23:34] <wgrant> You say, however, that it is "very difficult." I don't see how that is the case.
[23:34] <fale> because I'm submitting a patch for a program that I don't have actually installed
[23:34] <wgrant> Ah, that is one case in which it falls down.
[23:35] <wgrant> Look down the bottom of the wiki page for a direct link to the bug filing form.
[23:35] <wgrant> Or add ?no-redirect to the end of the +filebug URL.
[23:35] <fale> wgrant: :) thankyou :)
[23:35] <wgrant> fale: np
[23:36] <micahg> wgrant: that's not the prefered way
[23:36] <wgrant> micahg: What isn't, and why?
[23:36] <micahg> ah
[23:36] <micahg> nm
[23:36] <micahg> just read the whole thing
[23:36] <wgrant> Phew.
[23:37] <micahg> actually, still, it's probably better to do ubuntu-bug PKGNAME
[23:38] <micahg> it works even if it's not installed
[23:38] <wgrant> micahg: Debatable.
[23:38] <micahg> so users get in the habit
[23:38] <fale> micahg: didn't know that... than I may use it :)
[23:39] <micahg> fale: also saves you the trouble of hunting for the source package
[23:40] <fale> :)
[23:55] <bdmurray> Has anybody ever used component with searchTasks in the API?
[23:55] <wgrant> bdmurray: IIRC it doesn't work. Let me check the code.
[23:56] <wgrant> I think I remember attempting to fix it at one point.