[20:16] <pavlushka> .tell elacheche that pavlushka succeeded only in managing to ask this https://arduino.stackexchange.com/questions/62201/how-to-get-the-switchdoc-labs-weather-kit-working-using-arduino-uno finally
[20:16] <u-la-la> pavlushka: I'll pass that on when elacheche is around.


[11:49] <lapo> hi
[12:45] <kwwii> moin
[12:45] <kwwii> anyone home?
[12:45] <kwwii> live from Paris
[12:47] <jsgotangco> yeah but on the 2nd floor heh
[12:50] <fschoep> Hi!
[12:51] <kwwii> hi frank
[01:17] <klepas> moin
[01:17] <klepas> how is Paris?
[01:55] <msikma> Hello
[02:17] <kwwii> re
[02:18] <msikma> Hello to Paris
[02:19] <fschoep> I'm back from lunch
[02:19] <msikma> You guys are privilidged to be in Paris so you'd better be enjoying yourselves :)
[02:20] <msikma> *privileged
[02:20] <offs> hi..
[02:20] <fschoep> We are trapped in a bunker :)
[02:20] <fschoep> Troy says hi\
[02:20] <msikma> Hi there Troy!
[02:21] <msikma> Man, I wish I could be there. But it's so busy here at work. And I've got a three-week vacation planned...
[02:21] <msikma> Guess I'll try to come next year.
[02:21] <fschoep> Have you looked into the specifications in launchpad yet?
[02:21] <msikma> So what events have there been thus far?
[02:21] <fschoep> We've had dinner, breakfast and lunch.
[02:21] <msikma> I personally have not, although I've taken a few peeks in there.
[02:22] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:22] <fschoep> https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs
[02:22] <fschoep> That's kind of what we're going to discuss here.
[02:23] <fschoep> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs
[02:24] <fschoep> That's the list of specs for the art team.
[02:25] <fschoep> That is just the current list, Troy, Kenneth and I are discussing other things on top of that list at the moment, like submission guidelines, file formats and licensing issues and GPG signing.
[02:25] <kwwii> brb
[02:25] <msikma> By the way
[02:25] <msikma> "Improve progress bar for gnome" needs to be "usplash visual improvements"
[02:25] <jsgotangco> gpg signing? for the package?
[02:25] <msikma> I'll edit it myself later if I'm able to, but I'm not sure
[02:25] <msikma> Ah, Ican
[02:25] <msikma> iCan
[02:26] <fschoep> Jerome, GPG signing would be to indicate the submission takes the license in account so that we can prevent legal issues afterwards.
[02:27] <jsgotangco> oh okay fair enough
[02:27] <jsgotangco> =)
[02:27] <bersace> damn ! i forgot the summit !
[02:27] <bersace> i live in Paris !
[02:28] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:28] <fschoep> kwwii - where are you?
[02:28] <jsgotangco> come here and liberate us!
[02:28] <fschoep> We're downstairs.
[02:28] <fschoep> Etienne we'd be happy to have you here :0
[02:29] <msikma> I live one TGV away from Paris...
[02:29] <msikma> If only it were in Rotterdam :)
[02:30] <bersace> fschoep: so you're in that hostel ?
[02:30] <bersace> what conf are planned for today
[02:30] <fschoep> I am, alongside Troy James Sobotka and we had Kenneth Wimer earlier here.
[02:31] <fschoep> There's a lot of conferences planned, but almost no artwork ones because we didn't add specifications to the distro sprint list.
[02:31] <bersace> do you know the RER station ?
[02:31] <bersace> (i know this is line B3)
[02:31] <bersace> but which station ?
[02:31] <fschoep> It is, I think it is CDG 2.
[02:31] <bersace> ok
[02:31] <bersace> ok
[02:31] <bersace> and, if i come, what can we do together
[02:32] <bersace> other than taking a beer
[02:32] <bersace> i mean, i want to talk with the wiki bugsquad
[02:32] <fschoep> We have a lot of Wiki stuff to do and we could certainly use another member with a laptop.
[02:32] <bersace> ok,
[02:33] <bersace> so do you advice me to come with a laptop (old) and work together with you at CDG ?
[02:33] <bersace> does it worth it ?
[02:33] <fschoep> No, you could try to take the hotel shuttle bus to Radisson SAS.  They look very pretty, but I don't like typing with them as much as some of the keyboards I've used.
[02:42] <bersace> so, i'm ready to go
[02:42] <bersace> but, i want to be sure to meet you soon and not search my way for long hours
[02:42] <fschoep> OK
[02:42] <bersace> you said the station is CDG2 in line RER B3
[02:42] <bersace> then i take a RAS Shuttle to the RAS bunker
[02:43] <fschoep> If you are at the CDG2 station you can take a shuttle bus to Radisson SAS.
[02:43] <bersace> then where to meet you ?
[02:43] <fschoep> It should work.
[02:43] <bersace> ok
[02:43] <fschoep> Depends on what time you are at the hotel.
[02:43] <bersace> can i just say "i come for Ubuntu Summit"
[02:43] <bersace> and they let me enter ?
[02:43] <bersace> where do you stay ?
[02:44] <bersace> which stair ?
[02:44] <bersace> which room ?
[02:44] <fschoep> If you are in the lobby, you'll find it.
[02:44] <fschoep> We're in several conference rooms.
[02:44] <klepas> moin
[02:44] <fschoep> From 15:00 to 16:00 we'll be in the Dionisys room.
[02:45] <bersace> how can i recognize you ?
[02:45] <bersace> for your sake, i'm wearing a black debian sweat shirt and have a black debian bag for my laptop
[02:45] <bersace> i wear glasses
[02:45] <fschoep> OK, we saw your face on launchpad.
[02:46] <fschoep> Troy is bald and I look like Frank.
[02:46] <bersace> hh
[02:46] <msikma> There should be Ubuntu merchandise.. maybe a neat job for the art team?
[02:46] <msikma> I should put that on the Launchpad.
[02:46] <bersace> and i have a "goatee beard" :P
[02:46] <fschoep> Anyway Etienne, you can find a lot of Ubuntu guys in the Atlas conference room.
[02:46] <bersace> ok
[02:46] <bersace> let's go
[02:47] <fschoep> Whoa. Let's just hope that it goes well.
[02:48] <kwwii> I tried to make a spec to discuss marketing but it was removed
[02:48] <kwwii> I made a few banners (like the one outside the door of the conference room)
[02:49] <kwwii> making leaflets, t-shirts, buttons, stickers, etc...would be really nice
[02:50] <klepas> you folks have fun :)
[04:04] <msikma> So how's Paris going?
[04:08] <klepas> it's fabulous
[04:08] <klepas> ;)
[04:19] <kwwii> re
[04:29] <bersace> klepas: ping
[04:29] <bersace> i'm at uds
[04:30] <bersace> with troy, and other
[04:30] <bersace> nice
[04:30] <bersace> what do we plan to do with that wiki
[04:30] <bersace> i mean
[04:30] <bersace> how to apply changes
[04:30] <bersace> ?
[04:30] <klepas> check your email :)
[04:30] <klepas> i sent you and brian an email concerning the wiki
[04:31] <bersace> nice
[04:33] <klepas> :)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:37] <bersace> klepas: i'm creating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/%c3%89tienneBersac/ArtworkReOrganisation/NewTree
[04:37] <bersace> In order to create a complete tree of the new Artwork Namespace
[04:37] <bersace> as list
[04:37] <bersace> (wiki is more collaborative than a plain text
[04:37] <bersace> )
[04:38] <jsgotangco> try gobby
[04:38] <klepas> good idea
[04:38] <klepas> brb
[04:46] <klepas> thanks bersace
[04:53] <Riyonuk> does anyone know how to make icons in photoshop?
[05:03] <newz2000> Riyonuk: can you be more specific regarding your request?
[05:06] <Riyonuk> Like you know how they use iconpackager and they make those profesional looking icons
[05:06] <Riyonuk> well i want to know how to make them, thers a tutorial on icon a day, but thats for correl
[05:07] <newz2000> icosn for the ubuntu desktop?
[05:09] <Riyonuk> yes
[05:10] <newz2000> I've never seen iconpackager, but a quick google implies that it's for creating Windows XP desktop themes...
[05:11] <Riyonuk> yeah, but i would like to know how to create icons for ubuntu also
[05:11] <newz2000> Also, I'm not positive, but I think increasingly icons are made as SVG, which photoshop can't do. Instead you need a program like Inkscape or Illustrator.
[05:12] <Riyonuk> why might i ask?
[05:12] <newz2000> Well, SVG icons can be resized without loosing quality. They can be big or small and they still look good.
[05:13] <newz2000> Corel is also a vector program and it's artwork can often be resized without loosing quality.
[05:13] <newz2000> Ubuntu's art website has a color pallete for Photoshop that lists the colors we typically use... download that.
[05:13] <Riyonuk> is that the only reason? I can still make them in photoshop then
[05:14] <newz2000> Then, maybe glance at this tutorial and see if helps:
[05:14] <newz2000> http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Creating_Icons/
[05:14] <Riyonuk> bingo thats what im looking for
[05:14] <newz2000> let me see if I can find a link to the pallette for psd.
[05:15] <klepas> have a lovely time in Paris people :)
[05:15] <newz2000> arent' you there pascal?
[05:15] <klepas> a short update via the ML would be lovely :)
[05:15] <klepas> oh, no :)
[05:15] <klepas> my cozzy room, Canberra, Australia
[05:15] <newz2000> oh, I thought you were. I was a bit jelous too. ;-)
[05:15] <klepas> i wish i was there
[05:15] <newz2000> (matt nuzum btw)
[05:15] <klepas> ah, cool
[05:15] <newz2000> I'm in a cubicle in Des Moines Iowa.
[05:16] <klepas> cool
[05:16] <klepas> i couldn't go for various reasons... primarily exams week begins this wednesday and i don't have the money
[05:17] <newz2000> pascal, do you know where the color palletes are for the ubuntu desktop? It seems they used to be accessible on the diy marketing page
[05:17] <newz2000> I saw them recently but can't find them now
[05:17] <klepas> newz2000: i can send the SVGs to you
[05:17] <klepas> i can't remember what on earth happened to them
[05:17] <newz2000> Riyonuk asked about them here in the chat room
[05:17] <klepas> i can email them to you now if you like
[05:17] <newz2000> he wants the photoshop version
[05:17] <klepas> ah, okay
[05:17] <klepas> i'm clueless too
[05:17] <newz2000> I'll find them, I was just curious if you knew
[05:18] <Riyonuk> wha?
[05:18] <klepas> i know a PS colour palette was available..
[05:18] <klepas> any how i shall be off
[05:18] <klepas> past 1 AM and i have classes :)
[05:18] <newz2000> ttl.
[05:19] <klepas> found those palettes btw :)
[05:19] <klepas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[05:19] <newz2000> ah. Thanks.
[05:19] <newz2000> Riyonuk, did you get that link?
[05:19] <Riyonuk> this bezier tool, PS doesnt have that
[05:19] <klepas> that has the PS palette files too
[05:19] <newz2000> It has one like it... check the pen
[05:19] <Riyonuk> the gimp tutorial?
[05:20] <klepas> cheerio
[05:20] <Riyonuk> the pens hard, lol
[05:20] <newz2000> no, the link klepas sent has a photoshop color palette
[05:20] <newz2000> yeah, it takes a lot of practice
[05:21] <newz2000> down at the bottom of that page that klepas sent the link to there is a link to the colors used on the ubuntu desktop. There's two for photoshop.
[05:21] <Riyonuk> ill try, can you give me something to work on, like something you might need, im not gonna make a tv..
[05:21] <newz2000> there's a page with a bunch of requests... might be getting old now though. Let me find the link.
[05:21] <Riyonuk> PS swatch?
[05:22] <newz2000> yeah, that will work
[05:22] <Riyonuk> how do i use it?
[05:22] <klepas_Zzz> Riyonuk: www.tango-project.org (i know... should be sleeping)
[05:23] <klepas_Zzz> cheers
[05:23] <newz2000> On your color pallete tool window, I think there's a little icon in the top left corner... there you will have the option to load a palette.
[05:23] <Riyonuk> alright
[05:25] <newz2000> Riyonuk: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library#How_to_Participate
[05:25] <Riyonuk> thanks, I g2g but ill be back later
[05:25] <newz2000> later
[05:26] <bersace> posted
[06:12] <fschoep_> Riyonuk, you probably do not want to use Photoshop to create icons.
[09:08] <msikma> Inkscape is pretty nice.
[09:09] <msikma> How's Paris, guys?
[09:10] <newz2000> I'm not a big vector person, but I like Inkscape much better than Illustrator... maybe becuase of the tutorials that come with it
[09:10] <newz2000> I'm not in paris, btw. :-(
[09:18] <msikma> I don't think I've seen you in this chatroom before.
[09:19] <newz2000> Im matt nuzum on the mailing list... I'm not usually on IRC
[09:19] <newz2000> I wanted to be around while the paris event was going on though
[09:21] <newz2000> I'm in the US so the time zone diff allows me to miss a good portion of the activity I'll bet. They've probably moved the show down to the pub by now.
[09:22] <msikma> Hehe
[09:49] <msikma> I've been working on an experimental wallpaper: http://thingmajig.org/tmp/_ubuntu_wall1test.jpg
[09:50] <msikma> Still very unpolished (especially the areas with very low stress, you can clearly see the lack of colors a monitor can produce there) but it's a start.
[09:59] <newz2000> not bad
[09:59] <newz2000> What's your inspiration?
[10:11] <msikma> English tea.
[10:12] <newz2000> I wouldn't have guessed!
[10:31] <lapo> hi
[10:43] <msikma> Hey lapo
[10:43] <lapo> yo msikma
[10:44] <msikma> I've been working on an experimental wallpaper today
[10:44] <msikma> Maybe you'd like to fool around with it a little. It's still pretty early.
[10:44] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/_ubuntu_wall1test.jpg
[10:45] <msikma> For one thing, I want to tone down the luminosity considerably.
[10:45] <lapo> looks nice
[10:46] <lapo> I'd try to reduce contrast a bit
[10:46] <msikma> Thanks! I used some 3D rendering to get the basic shapes, but most work was done in Photoshop.
[10:46] <msikma> Yeah, it's a little heavy right now, isn't it?
[10:46] <msikma> The colors are also so saturated.
[10:47] <lapo> I think the colors are mostly ok, btw consider I'm kinda colorblind
[10:48] <lapo> looks cool tho, I'll try to use it
[10:49] <msikma> Oh, well, it's supposed to be brown/orange-ish.
[10:49] <lapo> yeah, I'm not that colorblind :-)
[10:50] <lapo> I'm usin it
[10:50] <lapo> it needs to be darjer
[10:50] <lapo> uh
[10:50] <lapo> ugh
[10:50] <lapo> darker even :-)
[10:50] <msikma> Which colors can you not see, then? Isn't it so that a lot of people with partial color-blindness have trouble telling red and green apart?
[10:50] <msikma> Yeah, it does. I think I'm just gonna rip off the color scheme of the current default Dapper wallpaper.
[10:51] <lapo> some purple and some blues, bright green/yellow/red
[10:51] <msikma> That reminds me of... cmyk.
[10:51] <lapo> led colors are problematic for me, since I'm a sysadmin I need my collegue to check the lights on the network switches :-)
[10:53] <lapo> I don't like very much the current color scheme of ubuntu
[10:53] <lapo> the base colors are ok, not the way stuff is mixed together
[10:53] <msikma> What color scheme would you prefer?
[10:54] <msikma> Well, I do agree that the orangification sometimes takes on monstrous results.
[10:54] <lapo> yeah, we have orange everywhere
[10:54] <lapo> btw I hink we'll have to live with it
[10:54] <msikma> I strongly support moderation of orange. That way the parts that are orange will have a better impact, too.
[10:54] <lapo> the current ubuntu looks is kinda cold
[10:55] <lapo> I think we should use a darker gray or a sand color for the gui theme base
[10:55] <lapo> something warmer
[10:55] <newz2000> We seem to play it cautious with wallpaper backgrounds (unless you install calendar, then you get the opposite)... it would be fun to see a little more bold/vibrant options.
[10:55] <msikma> Kind of what the HumanLegacy theme has?
[10:56] <lapo> yep, perhaps something a bit more saturated
[10:56] <lapo> something like the brighter brown of the tango palette
[10:56] <msikma> There is one thing I really don't agree with in the current human theme.
[10:56] <msikma> Well, there are more things I disagree with, but one in particular.
[10:56] <msikma> The color of the title bar.
[10:57] <lapo> yap
[10:57] <newz2000> oh really? I liked it.
[10:57] <lapo> yep, that one as well
[10:57] <msikma> It's strangely desaturated and different from the other orange tints and it's too bright.
[10:57] <newz2000> You mean the window decoration?
[10:57] <msikma> Because it's so bright it's difficult to read the title.
[10:57] <lapo> yes, metacity theme
[10:57] <msikma> The orange title bar at the top of windows.
[10:57] <newz2000> Hmm... you know, diff monitors may show that differently. My current computer has relatively low contrast so i may not being seeing the real deal
[10:57] <msikma> The brown one was better because it had a much better contrast while it didn't look bad on slightly higher saturation values.
[10:57] <lapo> orange is really cool on a dark gray theme
[10:58] <msikma> I've got mine calibrated pretty well. And I've checked on a couple of computers, anyway.
[10:59] <newz2000> did you guys ever use ximian gnome desktop before it became part of Novell? They had a very interesting variety of backgrounds... the default was a very safe background like we use on Ubuntu, but then they had a mix of arts and photo backgrounds. I really liked the choice.
[11:01] <lapo> newz2000: yes
[11:01] <lapo> newz2000: that's because jimmac is a genius
[11:02] <lapo> newz2000: btw check out gnome-backgrounds, I kinda proud of what we have now :-)
[11:02] <msikma> I think it's awful that we can't set a few default "folders" for people to look for pictures in. We should make the background panel so that there are a few folders of different types of images. Instead, there's just a HUGE LIST.
[11:02] <newz2000> really? Didn't know about that one. I will. (in windows atm though)
[11:02] <lapo> just apt-get gnome-backgrounds
[11:02] <msikma> And I didn't vote for any of the wallpapers when it was being held on the mailing list.
[11:02] <newz2000> well, I think we have as a higher priority fitting all on one disk
[11:02] <msikma> Because I didn't really like any of the choices.
[11:03] <msikma> There were a few okay ones, but I didn't see any that I actually found good.
[11:03] <newz2000> as we get more organized we'll spend more time coming up with good ideas and less time trying to figure out what we're doing. It's a progression and we're on our way I think.
[11:03] <msikma> There are tons of free resources available for brilliant free-license photos that we could also include in Ubuntu. I don't see why we're not making use of it and will attempt to remedy this for Edgy.
[11:03] <msikma> I'm peeved that we're "just" an artwork team and aren't really able to make major UI changes.
[11:04] <msikma> Well, not necessarily MAJOR.
[11:04] <msikma> But it would be excellent if we could toss up suggestions for UI-related things.
[11:04] <msikma> I guess I'll just add some more bugreports to Gnome.
[11:04] <msikma> I wish I were a C programmer.
[11:05] <newz2000> I've personally talked to canonical management and their hope is to see the team become more productive and to take on responsibility once the team is more organized, and the paris meeting will take us strides close to that.
[11:05] <newz2000> I can allready see huge improvements in the last 2 weeks
[11:05] <newz2000> msikma: be careful what you wish for... you may get it!
[11:06] <msikma> I personally am interested in doing some managing, but I'd rather just get busy with development.
[11:06] <msikma> Heh, hopefully.
[11:06] <msikma> :)
[11:06] <msikma> Learning C is on my list of things to learn at some point.
[11:06] <msikma> I think it's below Python and Modtracking.
[11:06] <newz2000> Why do you want to learn C?
[11:07] <msikma> Because then I could actually make valuable contributions to many Linux programs, since it seems that C is the standard language for OS-related programs in Linux.
[11:07] <newz2000> ah.
[11:07] <msikma> Tell me if I'm very wrong on that.
[11:07] <msikma> I'm not entirely sure.
[11:07] <newz2000> Well, here's a warning,
[11:07] <newz2000> most of gnome/gtk uses glib, which is much harder to learn then C.
[11:08] <msikma> Heh, darn.
[11:08] <newz2000> I know C but going into glib applications blew my mind for about the first 15 times.
[11:08] <msikma> All I know is ActionScript.
[11:08] <newz2000> actionscript is based on C so the syntax is similar.
[11:09] <msikma> I do know very advanced ActionScript and can probably make everything that I would ever want to in that environment, but it's still not really a real programming language.
[11:09] <newz2000> The only things you'd need to really get comfortable with are pointers, structs and strong typing.
[11:09] <msikma> Yeah, ActionScript doesn't give you much rope to hang yourself with.
[11:09] <msikma> I've heard that arrays in C can't contain multiple data types.
[11:09] <newz2000> true
[11:09] <newz2000> That's what structs are for.
[11:09] <newz2000> It's kind of like a class with no methods.
[11:09] <msikma> So myArray = ["test", 39]  isn't correct
[11:10] <msikma> How does a struct look?
[11:10] <newz2000> syntax isn't fresh in my mind, so I'd strongly suggest googling for examples, lest I steer you wrong.
[11:10] <msikma> What about Python? Do you know anything about that?
[11:11] <newz2000> yeah, I much prefer python
[11:11] <newz2000> I use it all the time
[11:11] <msikma> Very cool. I hear it's rapidly becoming the favorite language of many programmers.
[11:11] <lapo> python is cool
[11:12] <newz2000> yeah, its the new perl.
[11:12] <newz2000> or should I say, Perl++
[11:12] <msikma> It was invented by a Dutchie :)
[11:12] <lapo> a lot less messy then perl :-)
[11:12] <newz2000> definately
[11:12] <msikma> Oh, by the way, this is the coolest snippet of Actionscript that I've written: http://msikma.pastebin.com/704115 - I sometimes use this to show off to other ActionScript programmers.
[11:13] <lapo> guido van rossum
[11:13] <msikma> It converts XML data into an object that's easily accessible.
[11:13] <newz2000> Cool.
[11:13] <newz2000> When I last used AS seriously, Flash 5 was out and had just introduced xml support, but it was very rough.
[11:13] <msikma> It's not really all that complicated, anyway.
[11:13] <msikma> Yeah, Flash 5 had awful XML support. It was also extremely slow.
[11:14] <lapo> msikma: are you old enough to have known mac os when it has a sane gui? :-)
[11:14] <msikma> A slightly large site could sometimes take 10 seconds just to parse the XML.
[11:14] <newz2000> Cool. It looks like they've seriously embraced dom.
[11:14] <newz2000> I love the fact that once you learn dom you can bounce between many diff languages with ease.
[11:14] <msikma> I think the Mac OS X 10.4 GUI is very sane. Although 10.0 through 10.3 had major flaws. 10.4 is also not without flaws, but it's still a good GUI, I would say. I've used OS9, too.
[11:14] <msikma> I actually love OS9's UI.
[11:15] <lapo> I liked os pre 10 very much, I can't stand osx
[11:15] <newz2000> I feel very nastalgic when I see OS < X. I don't care for it though.
[11:15] <msikma> I like the way OS9's UI was made. For one thing, I like that every single dialog box on the entire system was well-written and self-explanitory.
[11:16] <lapo> the os underneat was very crappy, but the gui was a lot better imho
[11:16] <msikma> I really miss tabbed windows at the bottom of the screen.
[11:16] <lapo> yeah, osx is not that polished
[11:16] <msikma> 10.2 to 10.3 was a gigantic update, though. 10.4 also brought forth a lot of good changes. I think 10.5 will be the release of an excellent UI.
[11:17] <msikma> But I still think it's too bad that some extremely useful OS9 things were dropped.
[11:17] <msikma> I also think that the list view in OSX is inferior to that of OS9
[11:17] <lapo> yeah
[11:17] <newz2000> are you both mac users when not in Linux?
[11:17] <msikma> There's one thing that I think OS9 did particularly well: visual (and audiovisual) feedback.
[11:17] <lapo> nope, I don't use macs since a loong time
[11:18] <lapo> I'm mostly a linux user
[11:18] <msikma> I used Windows computers for a long time.
[11:18] <msikma> But Windows XP really isn't an enjoyable OS to use.
[11:18] <lapo> yeah
[11:18] <msikma> I still use it because I have a laptop which runs it, but I've bought an Intel iMac recently. I'm going to try and sell my old laptop.
[11:18] <lapo> I can't stand it anymore :-)
[11:19] <newz2000> My current job requires mostly Windows use, but I start a new job in July where I'll be able to switch to Linux full time.
[11:19] <msikma> Neat.
[11:19] <newz2000> yeah. It's been a while. I'm a little aprehensive, but I think I can handle.
[11:19] <newz2000> I've got photoshop working in Linux, so now I just need to get my electronics stuff working
[11:19] <lapo> when you use linux for some time you can never come back to anythin else
[11:20] <newz2000> Yeah, I've switched back and forth about 5 times in the last 6 years or so.
[11:20] <msikma> Man, on OS9... do any of you remember how versatile its audio engine was?
[11:20] <msikma> Almost everything could get a sound.
[11:20] <msikma> And things could get three sounds for just one thing-- a starting sound, a looping sound in the middle of the action, and an ending sound.
[11:21] <lapo> yeah, like dnd, I relly liked that feature
[11:21] <newz2000> How is that useful?
[11:21] <lapo> and the sounds the defaulted to
[11:21] <msikma> How is it not useful?
[11:22] <msikma> It simply means the user can get better audiovisual feedback of what he is doing.
[11:22] <lapo> newz2000: it was cool, the sounds were not invesive like in windows or kde
[11:22] <msikma> Something doesn't necessarily need to have an actual production value to be valuable to the user.
[11:22] <newz2000> The only thing I remember was that Mac could read the programs output, which was fun because you could pick the musical tone it used, but I didn't experience the other features.
[11:24] <msikma> For its time, it was definitely the best system.
[11:25] <lapo> usability wise surelly, the os beneath it was crappy
[11:25] <msikma> I never really noticed that. All I did was work on it, and it worked just fine except the occasional crash, but that was normal back then.
[11:25] <lapo> btw the bomb you get on crashes was cool :-)
[11:25] <msikma> Hehe
[11:26] <lapo> not as cool as the amiga guru meditation, but cool :-)
[11:26] <newz2000> yeah, that was cool
[11:28] <msikma> I wish that Ubuntu used Charcoal for its top menu.
[11:29] <msikma> Please don't kill me for saying that. :) I just have a lot of nostalgia attached to that font. Plus, it was very readable. It was a very good font for its use.
[11:29] <msikma> It had zero charm on larger sizes, though.
[11:29] <lapo> yeah, a lil'fat but nice
[11:30] <msikma> I think I'll hook up my old pre-G3 machine this weekend.
[11:51] <msikma> Goodnight everyone.
[11:53] <cyanescent> hey... anything happened in the last 2000 hours ?
[11:54] <newz2000> we figured out the whole world peace thing. You'll see it hit the news sometime tomorrow. ;-)
[11:54] <lapo> newz2000: you forgot the cure for cancer
[11:55] <newz2000> Did we finally get that one nailed down? I thought we'd go on and on with it.
[11:55] <lapo> yep, there was a specs in ubuntu.art about it :-)
[11:56] <newz2000> Man, its amazing what you miss when you take a 10 min break.
[11:56] <cyanescent> heh. I'll spec it
[11:57] <cyanescent> Launch it all the way to the moon
[11:58] <cyanescent> ugh... I'm knackered. thought there was some chat going on here after that post on the ML
[11:58] <cyanescent> drunk... too bad.. will need to hit hte sack


[03:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: passwdqc [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [2.0.2-0build1] (no packageset)
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[04:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: passwdqc [riscv64] (impish-proposed/universe) [2.0.2-0build1] (no packageset)
[06:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (focal-proposed/main) [2.04-1ubuntu26.12 => 2.04-1ubuntu26.13] (core)
[09:04] <doko> Fri 13, what could go wrong today ...
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [source] (focal-proposed) [2.04-1ubuntu26.13]
[10:50] <sil2100> huh, PPA publisher issues...? My packages are stuck getting published for over an hour
[10:51] <cjwatson> sil2100: There was an outage overnight and the publisher is still catching up
[13:16] <tjaalton> sil2100: I've uploaded libx11 sru for bionic and focal, but it's not release critical
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libx11 (bionic-proposed/main) [2:1.6.4-3ubuntu0.4 => 2:1.6.4-3ubuntu0.5] (core, xorg)
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libx11 (focal-proposed/main) [2:1.6.9-2ubuntu1.2 => 2:1.6.9-2ubuntu1.3] (core, i386-whitelist, xorg)
[13:16] <tjaalton> just something that other folks kept poking about (race condition causing apps to hang)
[13:16] <tjaalton> +me
[13:20] <ginggs> is the auto-sync still on?
[13:25] <rbasak> It should have been turned off yesterday (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-August/041593.html) but I don't know if that actually happened. laney?
[14:33] <paride> sil2100, hi! today's livefs build failed: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/553383289/buildlog_ubuntu_focal_amd64_ubuntu-server-live_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:33] <paride> is it fine if I retrigger a build from the iso tracker?
[15:55] <sil2100> paride: oh, yes, please do!
[15:55] <sil2100> Might be related to the outage I saw mentioned earlier
[15:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: shim (focal-proposed/main) [15.4-0ubuntu7 => 15.4-0ubuntu9] (core) (sync)
[15:59] <juliank> sil2100: please approve shim/impish signing tarballs; and shim/focal (so that can build its signing tarballs too, then approve those :D)
[15:59] <ginggs> would someone in ~ubuntu-release please review https://code.launchpad.net/~ginggs/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/+merge/407058 ?
[16:00] <juliank> Well, maybe you're EOD to approve shim/focal signing tarballs
[16:01] <paride> sil2100, rebuild requested
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: shim-signed (focal-proposed/main) [1.40.6 => 1.40.7] (core)
[16:14] <bdmurray> ginggs: I'm looking at your hint MPs
[16:15] <ginggs> bdmurray: thanks!
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-icecream [amd64] (impish-proposed/none) [2.1.1-1] (no packageset)
[17:41] <laney> rbasak: I'm on PTO but I did it
[17:41] <laney> ubuntu-release: ^-- auto-sync off fyi
[17:44] <laney> It would be good to make it possible to do this without needing shell access to the box :-)
[17:44] <laney> this and many other things
[17:44]  * laney ponders
[18:00] <ginggs> laney: thanks :)
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info-data (hirsute-proposed/main) [0.46ubuntu3 => 0.46ubuntu4] (core, i386-whitelist)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted distro-info-data [source] (hirsute-proposed) [0.46ubuntu4]
[18:36] <laney> de nada
[18:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted shim [sync] (focal-proposed) [15.4-0ubuntu9]
[20:00] <vorlon> bdmurray: did you get any answers regarding sync-blacklist?  fwiw a ping should be enough
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: postfix (focal-proposed/main) [3.4.13-0ubuntu1 => 3.4.13-0ubuntu1.1] (core)
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: postfix (hirsute-proposed/main) [3.5.6-1 => 3.5.6-1ubuntu0.1] (core)
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: postfix (bionic-proposed/main) [3.3.0-1ubuntu0.3 => 3.3.0-1ubuntu0.4] (core)
[20:19] <bdmurray> vorlon: no, could you blacklist shim? then it should stop showing up in mom
[20:28] <vorlon> bdmurray: done
[20:31] <bdmurray> thanks
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted shim-signed [source] (focal-proposed) [1.40.7]
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libfm-qt [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.17.1-0ubuntu1] (lubuntu)
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[22:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libthrift-java [amd64] (impish-proposed) [0.13.0-1]
[22:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rgain3 [amd64] (impish-proposed) [1.1.1-1]
[22:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-icecream [amd64] (impish-proposed) [2.1.1-1]
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[06:49] <fta2> jdstrand, mdeslaur: ping
[09:21] <fta2> dpm, hi, i think i misunderstood your remark about the formatting bug in the last thread. just filed bug 670821
[09:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 670821 in rosetta "translator comment formating lost (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/670821
[10:06] <dpm> fta2, yeah, that's what I meant on 3rd point in my e-mail - thanks for filing the bug
[10:19] <fta2> dpm, yep, got confused with another issue, which was about the folding of msgstr which is crazy in rosetta, but i managed to deal with it
[10:19] <dpm> ok, right
[10:24] <fta2> dpm, i've implemented a workaround for bug 669831, but it has some rejects: http://paste.ubuntu.com/525566/
[10:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 669831 in rosetta "obsolete translations exported to the branch (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/669831
[10:29] <dpm> let me re-read the bug to remind myself of the details...
[10:37] <dpm> fta2, what am I looking at in that pasted output? What does the "fixed n bogus strings" part mean? And the "compared:" output?
[10:41] <fta2> dpm, bogus.
[10:41] <dpm> ?
[10:41] <dpm> bogus in what sense?
[10:42] <fta2> dpm, the "compared" are strings i get from lp a translation that differ from existing upstream translations (which means conflicts to resolve)
[10:43] <dpm> right
[10:44] <fta2> dpm, bogus means: for a given "id" (the long digit in the comment), the untranslated string read from lp's po is not the same as from the po i fed to lp
[10:44] <dpm> ok, gotcha
[10:45] <fta2> i fix some by unescaping some xml codes. but if it's still different, i give up
[10:45] <dpm> fta2, one other question on the "compared:" output - to which language does it apply?
[10:46] <dpm> E.g. the following string sounds more Spanish than French:
[10:46] <dpm> lp669831: skipped 0 / fixed 2 bogus strings from google_chrome_strings/fr.po
[10:46] <dpm> compared:
[10:46] <dpm> <<u'Colabora en la mejora de Google Chrome enviando autom\xe1ticamente a Google estad\xedsticas de uso e informes sobre fallos.'>> and
[10:46] <dpm> <<u'Colabore en la mejora de Google Chrome enviando autom\xe1ticamente a Google estad\xedsticas de uso e informes sobre fallos.'>>
[10:46] <fta2> dpm, i should add the lang in the output
[10:46] <fta2> hold on
[10:47] <fta2> chrome/app/resources/google_chrome_strings_es.xtb
[10:47] <fta2> 'es' then
[10:48] <fta2> dpm, ^^, the Compared and lp669831 lines are unrelated
[10:48] <dpm> yeah, I understand it now
[10:50] <dpm> fta2, It might also be worth  converting Unicode codes into actual characters in the output - strings such as <<u'\u0e22\u0e2d\u0e21\u0e23\u0e31\u0e1a\u0e41\u0e25\u0e30\u0e14\u0e33\u0e40\u0e19\u0e34\u0e19\u0e01\u0e32\u0e23\u0e15\u0e48\u0e2d >>'>> are otherwise unreadable
[10:50] <dpm> (just suggesting, not trying to be picky)
[10:51] <fta2> yep, it's from repr(string). i work in regular xterms, they suck for unicode
[10:51] <fta2> i needed to easily compare strings "visually"
[10:51] <dpm> right
[11:49] <mdeslaur> fta2: hi!
[13:38] <fta2> mdeslaur, jdstrand: fyi, imminent security update for chromium, also impacting webkit and libvpx
[13:38] <mdeslaur> fta2: cool, thanks...let us know
[13:40] <fta2> mdeslaur, i don't do libvpx myself (i use it as system lib for chromium-*-ffmpeg though)
[13:43] <fta2> mdeslaur, so i'm not sure about the details (we have 0.9.1 in lucid, 0.9.2 in maverick natty, debian has 0.9.5 :()
[13:44] <mdeslaur> fta2: libvpx is in main in maverick, so the security team will backport fixes for it
[13:44] <fta2> excellent
[13:45] <mdeslaur> fta2: libvpx in lucid is in universe, so someone needs to create a debdiff with backported fixes which we can then sponsor
[14:28] <fta2> chrisccoulson, should i re-enable umd for natty?
[14:28] <fta2> hmm.. natty for umd
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - the firefox-4.0 builds should be ok
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> i still need to push the workaround for all the other builds
[14:28] <fta2> should i or not? ;)
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> fta2, i'll add the workaround for all the other builds in the next hour or so, so, if you re-enable them, they will be fixed before you next run them ;)
[14:29] <fta2> ok
[14:29] <fta2> done
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> heh, only 7 patches in our xulrunner package now
[15:48]  * chrisccoulson uses axe
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> still 16 patches in firefox though
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> :(
[16:27] <fta> [Branch ~chromium-team/chromium-browser/channels] Rev 411: linux/stable (7.0.517.41 -> 7.0.517.44)
[16:27] <fta> [Branch ~chromium-team/chromium-browser/channels] Rev 410: linux/beta (7.0.517.41 -> 8.0.552.28)
[16:27] <fta> oh my
[17:33] <davidascher> chrisccoulson: any tb patches?
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> davidascher, i'll get to those in a bit. IIRC, we don't have many tb patches, and i'm trying to trim down our distro patches as much as i can
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> we have way too many patches for firefox :/
[17:34] <davidascher> chrisccoulson: do you know how many of those patches are functionally equivalent to patches that other distros have?
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> davidascher, i'm not sure about that. you can view our current patchset at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.head/files/head%3A/debian/patches/ though
[21:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I see 4.0b7 has been tagged, after you upload to Natty (would suggest waiting until release), I'll backport to the firefox-next PPA
[21:09]  * micahg is making an assumption that beta 7 is landing in Natty after it's released....
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, that's the plan, although i still need to get language packs sorted out
[21:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, right...
[21:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if you want to ditch LP, I can convert the thunderbird-locales package, has dpm had any luck with upstream contacts?
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> not sure yet
[21:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I think we have about a week until beta 7 is released if no major show stoppers are found
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> i should be pretty much done by then, which will hopefully mean i have ubufox ported and the new profile migrator working
[21:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: wow, you work fast :)
[21:29] <fta> \o/ landed my 1st translation patches in chromium daily :)
[21:30] <micahg> cool
[22:28] <BUGabundo> evening


[16:29] <shivaya> hi folks, is there a way to have cloud-init (user-data) create raid 1 disk? i was going through the docs and was unable to find any info on that
[16:31] <ahasenack> shivaya: hi, I don't know, but try perhaps in the #cloud-init channel
[16:31] <ahasenack> I
[16:31] <ahasenack> I'm assuming it's not for the root disk, right, but some attached storage
[16:33] <shivaya> i was thinking the root disk actually
[16:34] <shivaya> even the interactive mode of cloud-init did not want to let me create root md raid disk
[16:34] <ahasenack> I don't know if that's possible, cloud-init might be too late for that
[16:35] <shivaya> ah i was afraid of that. let me check with the #cloud-init folks. thanks for the pointer!
[19:09] <radix0> I know this is a bit old school - but are there any recent guides out there for setting up an SNMP (v3) agent on ubuntu server? I just want simple monitoring like network card usage/volumes/ram/cpu/etc
[19:14] <tomreyn> i think the software you'd use for this prupose hasn't changed, nor how you'd set it up.
[19:15] <tomreyn> you'll need snmpd, potentially a lot of terrible mib juggling, and a way to provide the data for its oids
[19:15] <radix0> For clarificaton - I've never done this on linux.
[19:15] <sarnold> yeah, snmp stuff feels pretty old and steady by now; all the energy and change is in prometheus / grafana / kinds of things
[19:15] <shivaya> hey folks, i chit-chatted with cloud-init folks and learned that subiquity yamls are not necessarily cloud-init like the docs imply. that being said, does anyone know if it's possible to create md raid root disk with the subiquty and have it have EFI partition? i can't seem to figure it out
[19:16] <sarnold> radix0: I think snmpd is the thing to install on servers, snmp on the clients ..
[19:17] <ravage> shivaya, maybe https://www.molnar-peter.hu/en/ubuntu-jammy-netinstall-pxe.html helps
[19:17] <sarnold> radix0: is it *snmp* you want or monitoring you want?
[19:17] <tomreyn> radix0: this (despite being for arch linux) has the very basics https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/snmpd
[19:18] <radix0> sarnold, I specifically mean the SNMP agent - as in, the daemon that listens for inbound connections
[19:18] <radix0> I should have known to use the arch wiki. that will probably work
[19:19] <shivaya> ah this looks great, thanks ravage!!
[19:20] <sarnold> yeah, arch wiki is great :D
[19:20] <tomreyn> radix0: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/snmpd is the net-snmp agent
[19:21] <tomreyn> snmptrapd is an optional add-on if you want traps
[19:21] <radix0> nah I think traps are overkill, thanks for the guidance!
[19:22] <tomreyn> ok, now i just need to think of some wildflower meadows for some minutes, to forget about snmp
[19:23] <radix0> I know all the cool kids are re-inventing the wheel but I still have a soft spot for SNMP. :-)
[19:27] <tomreyn> wait, snmp is a wheel, i was thinking it was quadrangular? but then, the old pharisees also got their work done *somehow*
[19:34] <radix0> but how *were* the pyramids built?
[19:34] <radix0> aliens of the gaps
[19:42] <tomreyn> certainly the same alien technology


[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[14:32] <AlanBell> !lococouncil | hi from the IRCC
[14:32] <ubot2> hi from the IRCC: The Loco Council is huats, czajkowski, greg-g, itnet7, SergioMeneses and xdatap1 - they are there to help, just ask! :) You can send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:32] <AlanBell> we have a possible issue that has been raised relating to #ubuntu-bd that your involvement in would be appreciated
[14:37] <czajkowski> AlanBell: hiya want to talk here or mail us or?
[14:38] <czajkowski> huats SergioMeneses greg-g itnet7 any of you about ?
[14:38] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/31/%23ubuntu-bd.html are the channel logs from today
[14:38] <AlanBell> C-4 got banned by Ekushey at 08:13
[14:39] <AlanBell> and isn't too happy about it
[14:40] <huats> hum I am not aware
[14:40] <AlanBell> there was some discussion earlier in #ubuntu-irc relating to it
[14:41] <AlanBell> perhaps it would be appropriate to continue the discussion over there?
[14:41] <czajkowski> huats: you free to chat about this?
[14:41] <huats> in 45 minutes
[14:41] <huats> not before
[14:42] <czajkowski> ok
[14:42] <huats> I am giving a training...
[14:42] <huats> and I need to talk here :D
[14:42] <czajkowski> have fun catch up later
[14:43] <AlanBell> ok huats
[14:44] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, huats AlanBell hello... sorry but I'm working how can I help you?
[14:44] <AlanBell> hi SergioMeneses, if you want to pop into #ubuntu-irc that would be great if you have a moment
[15:27] <Haowei> nice to see everyone here, I am Haowei from China
[23:16] <Guest43573> who is on-line?/¿quien esta en linea?
[23:16] <Guest43573> Rojas


[01:34] <Munsko> Hello. Is possible to "request" to muon package manager to install another language package?(i mean instead of PACK_ENG install PACK_DE when im having the SO in eng)
[02:05] <Munsko> Hello again. Somebody know how can i add a new "locale" to my SO?
[02:06] <Munsko> I want switch the lang of some apps, but its only possible if i change the SO language
[02:43] <wxl> Munsko: is this helpful? https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.9/locale.html
[02:44] <wxl> note i am fairly confident some apps don't have complete translations
[02:45] <Munsko> Really thanks, i dont wanted to touch anything on terminal before be very sure of what were doing
[02:45] <Munsko> This affects my keyboard distribution or just only the language?
[02:46] <Munsko> I switched to hexchat and the translation is very confusing(is from GKT i think, like the gui)
[02:46] <wxl> keyboard is separate https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html
[02:47] <wxl> what do you like about hexchat you can't find in quassel?
[02:48] <Munsko> Well, i tried to get something called External SASL
[02:48] <Munsko> and didtn found it there
[02:48] <wxl> oi
[02:48] <Munsko> That was for get a bit of more security
[02:48] <wxl> for freenode?
[02:48] <Munsko> I think its called encriptation
[02:48] <Munsko> yes
[02:49] <Munsko> i done the key and those things
[02:49] <Munsko> but didnt found the option of external sasl
[02:49] <wxl> you mean this? https://freenode.net/kb/answer/quassel
[02:49] <Munsko> Well
[02:49] <Munsko> i was in that one
[02:49] <Munsko> but theres one slightly different
[02:49] <Munsko> thats is "Plain" SASL
[02:49] <Munsko> and another one is External SASL
[02:49] <Munsko> i dont get the differences by the way
[02:50] <wxl> so how do you know they're different? XD
[02:50] <Munsko> All started trying to get a bit more of privacy
[02:50] <Munsko> Because in hex you have the 2 options
[02:50] <wxl> use tor and a vpn; done
[02:50] <Munsko> All started from that
[02:50] <Munsko> But didnt know how configure the quassel to do it
[02:50] <wxl> they are different. plain is for passwords, external can be many things
[02:51] <Munsko> With the key
[02:51] <Munsko> I used this tutorial : "https://geekyshacklebolt.wordpress.com/2018/07/01/how-to-configure-sasl-external-on-hexchat/"
[02:52] <wxl> i bet the part here re: konversation is what you want https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp
[02:52] <Munsko> I think the external "mode" is for the cert. thing
[02:52] <Munsko> I done almost that thing
[02:53] <Munsko> Just in hexchat
[02:53] <Munsko> Then the problem was the translation, is a bit confusing(im in spanish)
[02:53] <wxl> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4422#appendix-A
[02:54] <Munsko> Looks a techincal thing
[02:55] <Munsko> You're very fast to get those things XD
[02:55] <wxl> i remember this from when i set it up before
[02:55] <Munsko> You archieved it on quassel too?
[02:55] <wxl> but i use irssi and don't waste my precious resources on adding graphics to text XD
[02:56] <Munsko> Well, this thing looks like W98
[02:56] <Munsko> not so beautiful
[02:56] <wxl> yeah, about that…
[02:57] <Munsko> But its because is gtk
[02:57] <Munsko> and im on LXQt
[02:57] <wxl> i KNOW! i can't believe you WANT to use it for that reason XD
[02:57] <Munsko> lol
[02:57] <Munsko> I like quassel
[02:57] <Munsko> but i think i need that function too
[02:57] <Munsko> (the ext. sasl)
[02:58] <Munsko> Im very noob, but just try to get a bit more of security
[02:58] <wxl> you have a vpn?
[02:58] <Munsko> They have given me the .onion thing in the #freenode chat
[02:59] <Munsko> So i think yes, dont know really
[02:59] <wxl> oh sigh
[02:59] <wxl> the only thing worse than no security is bad security so be careful
[02:59] <Munsko> Yes, thats like have a cloak to get secure
[02:59] <wxl> that's security by obfuscation which is a bit of a farce
[03:00] <Munsko> Well, i just found that i didnt putted the onion thing
[03:00] <Munsko> XD
[03:01] <Munsko> Where i should put it?
[03:01] <wxl> you need to figure out tor and that's not necessarily easy
[03:04] <Munsko> Well, just tried it as server adress and not worked XD
[03:05] <wxl> right, you need to be connected to tor
[03:05] <Munsko> That isnt the same thing that have tor open?
[03:05] <wxl> uh
[03:06] <wxl> you mean the tor browser?
[03:06] <Munsko> Yes
[03:06] <Munsko> XD
[03:06] <wxl> no
[03:06] <wxl> i mean yes
[03:06] <wxl> but no
[03:06] <Munsko> lol
[03:06] <wxl> you are connected to the tor network
[03:06] <wxl> but only via the browser
[03:06] <Munsko> yes
[03:06] <wxl> you're not configured to connect to it from your irc client
[03:06] <Munsko> Yes
[03:07] <Munsko> i need that step i think
[03:07] <wxl> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/HexChat
[03:08] <wxl> ew that might be out of date XD
[03:09] <Munsko> XD
[03:10] <Munsko> Well, the only one problem are the images
[03:11] <Munsko> they contain the info of fields, but looks like were deleted(dont load)
[03:12] <wxl> combine with this and you'll probably figure it out XD https://anonops.com/xchat.html
[03:16] <Munsko> Freenode port is 6690,right?
[03:16] <Munsko> nevermind
[03:19] <Munsko> Im on work, looks like almost done
[03:22] <Munsko> Did u have idea wheres the tor username or smth like that?
[03:22] <wxl> huh?
[03:22] <Munsko> https://anonops.com/xchat.html#AboutTOR
[03:23] <Munsko> Im in this step(i need to do that before the other link)
[03:23] <wxl> ok yeah i sent that to give you some idea about tor
[03:23] <wxl> not so you could connecto to anonops
[03:23] <Munsko> XD
[03:24] <Munsko> I think they refeer to my irc username
[03:24] <wxl> i mean that's what it's about but you don't want to use irc.anonops.com or anonops532vcpz6z.onion
[03:25] <wxl> just reconsider it in terms of freenode
[03:25] <wxl> i know english is not your first language and that may be easier said than done but hopefully that makes sense :)
[03:26] <Munsko> Yes, i understand that
[03:26] <Munsko> I changed the port and the .onion
[03:26] <Munsko> the problem now is that looks like i need a step more
[03:26] <Munsko> so tor can recognize irc and it runs via proxy
[03:27] <wxl> yeah the proxy is the key
[03:35] <Munsko> Looks difficult to do
[03:35] <Munsko> -.-
[03:36] <wxl> not really
[03:36] <wxl> but it's more hard than clicking a button XD
[03:36] <Munsko> Well, i dont it to work, so is hard at least for me XD
[03:36] <Munsko> it dont work for me*
[03:38] <wxl> well, tl;dr you need a socks5 proxy to localhost:9150
[03:39] <wxl> that's how you set up hexchat
[03:39] <Munsko> oh
[03:39] <Munsko> almost reached
[03:40] <Munsko> now it says "port closed in the remote device"
[03:40] <Munsko> and try to reconnect in loop
[03:40] <wxl> do you have the tor browser open?
[03:40] <Munsko> yes
[03:41] <wxl> in terminal try this:
[03:41] <wxl> nc -v localhost 9150
[03:41] <wxl> let me know what happens
[03:41] <Munsko> lol
[03:41] <Munsko> i understand
[03:41] <Munsko> its the firewall -.-
[03:41] <wxl> possibly
[03:42] <Munsko> i activated the ifgui
[03:42] <Munsko> or whatever its name
[03:43] <Munsko> The problem now is create the exception
[03:44] <Munsko> "nc: connect to localhost port 9150 (tcp) failed: Connection refused
[03:44] <Munsko> "
[03:44] <Munsko> "Connection to localhost 9150 port [tcp/*] succeeded!"
[03:44] <Munsko> Those 2 lines are the command drops
[03:47] <Munsko> Found the problem
[03:47] <Munsko> Now the error is tor sasl
[03:52] <wxl> hm
[04:15] <Munsko> Well, i give up
[04:15] <Munsko> Thanks for helping my btw
[14:31] <AlirezaAbba> I just watched distro watch for a moment. all linux distros got the red mark and went down in popularity. why?
[14:35] <Munsko> That depends of the tab that u are watching
[14:36] <Munsko> If u put last 7 days i saw almost all distros with the mark down
[14:36] <Munsko> But that section rates the "hits per day"
[14:37] <Munsko> At the contrary, if u check "trending 7 days" almost all distros figures with mark up
[14:39] <redbullfrog> hola, alguien habla español
[14:42] <chraso> hey guys, how do i install default ubuntu desktop environment(which is gnome i think) on lubuntu?
[14:43] <Munsko> Well, if u are in 20.04 check for the pagacke maganer(muon), theres a package called "gnome"
[14:43] <Munsko> It says that is the gnome desktop
[14:43] <Munsko> and will install the dependencies too
[14:44] <Munsko> But imnot sure if its the best way to install the DE(desktop enviroment)
[14:44] <Munsko> You have gnome-core too
[14:44] <Munsko> the 1st one is FULL DE
[14:44] <Munsko> the 2nd one is the essential things
[14:47] <Munsko> wxl i got my tor thing :)
[15:08] <Afdal> Is the 20.04 graphic installer really not capable of selecting both non-logical volumes (partitions) and logical volumes at the same time?
[16:56] <Deano59> hi there!
[16:57] <Deano59> can I download 20.04 LTS with a torrent?
[17:10] <wxl> Munsko: cool. what were you missing yesterday?
[17:10] <Munsko> The problem was the name of the cert
[17:10] <Munsko> SIlly thing :D
[17:10] <Munsko> It should be the same of the server name that u put on the client
[17:11] <wxl> silly indeed
[17:11] <wxl> glad you got it figured out
[17:11] <wxl> i should probably torify all my irc connections
[17:17] <Munsko> I can help u :D
[17:17] <Munsko> I detailed it on a document for future formats
[17:17] <wxl> oh i know what to do, i just need to do it
[17:17] <Munsko> XD
[17:17] <wxl> it's kind of like how i've been meaning to switch from irssi to weechat for years but am too lazy to re-configure everything XD
[17:18] <wxl> i do have torified mail now and that's nice
[17:19] <Munsko> Oh
[17:19] <Munsko> I need to config the email too
[17:19] <Munsko> And then torify too
[17:19] <Munsko> After that maybe firefox
[17:19] <Munsko> Too much work to do
[17:19] <wxl> of course you need a provider that has an onion
[17:20] <wxl> you can surf clearnet in tor browser, though you do go through an exit node
[17:22] <Munsko> I use outlook, is possible?
[17:23] <wxl> ewwwwwwwwwwwww
[17:23] <wxl> why on earth would you???????
[17:24] <wxl> ok sorry about that :)
[17:24] <wxl> no, i'm pretty confident microsoft doesn't host any onions anywhere
[17:27] <Munsko> Xd
[17:27] <Munsko> i need to migrate my mails
[17:27] <Munsko> The problem is that i use it for univ.
[17:27] <Munsko> And i need change EVERYTHING
[17:28] <wxl> well many providers these days will allow you to import mails
[17:28] <wxl> look into protonmail
[17:36] <Munsko> Trojitá supports onion?(sock)
[17:36] <Munsko> Its the mail service that comes with 20.04
[17:37] <Munsko> SOCKS*
[17:37] <wxl> there's ways around it. see torify/torsocks
[17:38] <wxl> tbh i'm not sure about trojitá's native support of proxies, but i bet it's there
[17:39] <Munsko> Nice
[17:39] <Munsko> I will try it more later
[17:39] <Munsko> thanks
[17:39] <wxl> yep
[17:41] <Munsko> I will tell u a secret: i have a folder called win xp in desktop :D
[17:42] <wxl> shame
[17:42] <Munsko> Just backgrounds XD
[17:42] <Munsko> I found these backg. in HD and i like them
[17:42] <Munsko> :P
[18:40] <Munsko> I noticed something that could be strange: I configured my laptop to enter in suspension when i close it, but when i open it a found that its not on suspension, and after open it it goes to lock screen
[18:41] <Munsko> Could this affect me when i move the laptop?( i tought that is mroe safe move the pc in suspension than in normal mode)
[18:41] <Munsko> more*
[18:41] <Munsko> Or should i power off it before move?
[18:44] <wxl> can you manually suspend it?
[18:46] <Munsko> Yes
[18:47] <Munsko> But the strange part is that the pc have a led light
[18:47] <Munsko> And when is in susp. it goes on/off
[18:47] <Munsko> (dont know the word,sorry)
[18:47] <Munsko> this happens when i close the laptop, but when i open it i saw what was before suspend and then happens all that
[18:48] <Munsko> Maybe is just a graphic effect
[18:48] <Munsko> I mean, the image that i saw when i open is where i leave the pc
[18:48] <Munsko> and automatically appears login screen
[18:48] <Munsko> I have auto login, maybe that interferes it
[18:49] <wxl> do you have ssh enabled?
[18:50] <Munsko> How i saw that? no idea :D
[18:52] <wxl> nc -v localhost 22
[18:52] <wxl> if that succeeds you probably do
[18:52] <wxl> oh hey nevermind that, i have a better idea
[18:52] <wxl> do you have another computer on the local network?
[18:55] <Munsko> Yes
[18:55] <Munsko> I have one
[18:57] <wxl> ok
[18:57] <wxl> get the ip address from the computer
[18:57] <wxl> then close it
[18:57] <wxl> then with the other computer, ping the ip address
[18:57] <Munsko> I can acces
[18:57] <Munsko> I have apache in localhost
[18:57] <wxl> if it works, it's not suspended
[18:57] <Munsko> Oh
[18:57] <Munsko> nice idea
[18:57] <Munsko> i will try it in some mins
[18:57] <Munsko> ty really
[18:58] <wxl> np
[19:03] <jkajoks> hellou
[19:09] <jkajoks> hallo
[19:10] <jkajoks> jemand aus deuschland?? :D
[19:10] <wxl> !de
[19:44] <Munsko> wxl got the solution with your idea, its just a graphical thing
[19:44] <Munsko> I cant access when i clote the laptop
[19:45] <Munsko> Thank you very much
[19:46] <wxl> Munsko: sounds like yours just comes up fast from suspend. i wish mine did XD
[19:46] <Munsko> lol
[19:46] <Munsko> this thing is fast
[19:46] <Munsko> And i dotn have last gen
[19:46] <Munsko> Thats why love linux :P
[19:48] <Munsko> Maybe its just that i force suspension closing the laptop
[19:48] <Munsko> Because im with a lot of things open and still is fast
[19:49] <wxl> possibly
[19:49] <wxl> i actually manually lock mine and then to unlock, i lift the lid and press the key
[19:49] <wxl> that's probably it
[19:52] <Munsko> Oh
[19:52] <Munsko> you do that way for some special reason?
[20:02] <wxl> not really
[20:02] <wxl> your way's probably better
[20:10] <Munsko> Well, i was worried about the mail space on Protonmail
[20:10] <Munsko> 500mb looks good enough(i have lot of garbage)
[20:10] <Munsko> And i cant pay the 4 euros(3rd world -.-)
[20:15] <wxl> there's likely other options out there
[20:16] <Munsko> Theres one called Tutanota too
[20:18] <wxl> they have an onion?
[20:18] <Munsko> No idea
[20:18] <Munsko> Thats why i would try proton
[20:18] <Munsko> They give u 1Gb with some restrctions
[20:20] <wxl> yeah it's not really clear
[20:20] <wxl> they mention tor but i don't see an onion listed anywhere
[20:20] <Munsko> Nope
[20:21] <Munsko> I found one topic in a forum
[20:21] <Munsko> they have implemented it(is from 2018)
[20:21] <wxl> ah, it's kind of in the works https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/issues/528
[20:21] <Munsko> But when i searched tutoanota onion nothing appears
[20:21] <Munsko> They havent
[20:22] <Munsko> SO i will go proton
[20:22] <wxl> huh they're basically just suggesting tor as a clearnet browser. bizarre
[20:23] <Munsko> Clearnet is something like use tor without proxy?
[21:08] <namo> hi
[21:09] <Munsko> Well, afterwards i dont need to torify my mail
[21:56] <Munsko> Why nobody talks here?
[21:56] <akem> It's a support channel.
[21:57] <Munsko> You're right
[21:58] <akem> There's maybe a #lubuntu-discuss or something like that, i know there is one for regular ubuntu.
[21:58] <krytarik> That'd be more like -offtopic though, and yes there is.
 @Munsko [<Munsko> Why nobody talks here?], i asked so many questions about lubuntu here, there s not much left to ask now:D … sometimes i ask some questions at lubuntu offtopic, someguys help there for free ^^
[22:45] <Munsko> Wait, i tought u where a bot
[22:45] <Munsko> lol
[22:47] <akem> It's a bot that bridge another network.
[22:49] <Munsko> SO he answer that because i used the ?
[22:49] <Munsko> Because i asked lots of thing between yesterday and today an never comed to answer XD
[22:51] <akem> No, i mean it's a relay bot, the user who spoke via the bot is tbs61 here.
[22:52] <Munsko> oh
[22:52] <Munsko> i dont get it -.-
[22:52] <Munsko> Its like a "commanded" bot?
[22:56] <akem> Other users that are not connected on freenode can tchat here throught the bot, just ignore the bot name(lubot), and read what he says, the begining of the sentence has the username of who is tchatting between <>.
 i talk here, you talk there, bot carry our messages. that s all^^
[23:04] <Munsko> oh
[23:04] <Munsko> got it now
[23:04] <Munsko> thanks
[23:05] <akem> tbs61, On what network are you connected?
[23:05] <wxl> Munsko: clearnet as opposed to darknet. in other words, normal internet versus tor network. you can use the tor browser to connect to the normal internet but it doesn't have the same properties as connecting to an onion (darknet). it's clearnet because it's "in the clear"
[23:06] <Munsko> Ohh
[23:06] <Munsko> I feel iluminated now, all the answers together :D
[23:07] <Munsko> There's some tor channel? i dont get work the noscript plugin
 @akem [<akem> tbs61, On what network are you connected?], i use normal internet, i guess you didnt ask that but i need to understand more your question i guess:)
 i m not tech guy like guys here:D
[23:11] <akem> tbs61, Since you're not here on Freenode, are you on another IRCnet or Discord or ...?
[23:11] <Munsko> Im green too
 im at telegram
[23:11] <Munsko> The whois info show its telegram
[23:12] <akem> tbs61, Ok, thanks for the info.
[23:12] <akem> Munsko, Right, i did not see that.
 @akem [<akem> tbs61, Since you're not here on Freenode, are you on another IRCnet or Di …], i didnt know lubuntu has discord group too
[23:14] <akem> tbs61, Maybe it does not... it was just a supposition ;)
[23:15] <Afdal> Discord is spyware :(
 @@
[23:15] <Munsko> afdal yes?
 are you sure?
 We don't have discord. We only have Telegram, IRC, and matrix for live chat. We do have a discourse forum as well. You can find all the links at https://lubuntu.me/links
[23:54] <Afdal> Good, don't ever get a Discord :3
[23:55] <Afdal> Seeing a disturbing amount of projects on Freenode making Discord relays lately


[12:29] <lamont> jbailey: btw, Packages.gz doesn't rsync to save it's life.
[11:02] <fabbione> jbailey: ping?
[11:11] <jbailey> fabbione: pong
[11:26] <fabbione> jbailey: hey..
[11:26] <fabbione> do you remember how to disable the gcc test suite at build time?
[11:29] <jbailey> export WITHOUT_CHECK=foo
[11:29] <fabbione> cool thanks
[11:29] <jbailey> I should offer doko a patch to make it a DEB_BUILD_OPTION
[11:29] <fabbione> yeah
[11:29] <jbailey> glibc uses 'nocheck', and I think cdbs does too
[11:31] <fabbione> it would make sense to propagate such option as standard
[11:31] <fabbione> http://home.cwru.edu/~jnt5/Planarity/ <- nice way to trash time :)
[11:45] <jbailey> It would.  But since policy is a reflection of current best practice, I need to get it in use in a few places first.
[11:45] <jbailey> If the whole toolchain + cdbs does it, I think it's a good argument.
[11:45] <jbailey> I'll get that URL from you later.  Currently I don't have X installed. =(
[11:45] <jbailey> =)
[11:50] <fabbione> heheh
[12:01] <fabbione> not too bad.. 8:15 on level 9 :=)


[14:08] <f1gjam> hey guys, I am trying to get autopilot to install and am having some trouble. First off, when I do openstack-install and the interface comes up, I enter all the details - everything seems to go fine then it fails. The log files under ~/.cloud-install/commands.log shows the following error:
[14:08] <f1gjam> 400 BAD REQUEST ({"storage": ["Mount the root \'/\' filesystem to be able to deploy this node."]})\n', 'status': 1}'
[14:09] <f1gjam> I also dont like the fact, when i cant copy and paste the API key in the openstack-install text UI aand have to enter it manually :(
[19:24] <f1gjam> hey guys
[19:25] <f1gjam> is there a configuration file for conjure-up openstack
[19:25] <f1gjam> I hate having to manaully put in the API key
[20:30] <dobey> wrong channel
[20:30] <dobey> f1gjam: try #ubuntu-openstack
[20:31] <dobey> see the topic


[00:54] <Avihay> asw3:  chromium is faster at rendering a web page, and it's UI feels a bit more responsive. it's JavaScript engine can crunch through script so fast, the programers are throwing away older JS implementations and steal the one from google.
[00:57] <Avihay> and like I said, I practice browser separation, so I do all my serious browsing on FF, and use chromium with a tab or two on gMail, and chrome in incognito on the ocational site I want to access with JS, but I don't wanna remove NoScrip in FF and thus produce an information leak
[00:58] <Avihay> rekonq for facebook, not that I use that awful thing...
[04:26] <Avihay> Idealy, you'd either use firefox alone with it's multi-profile feature, but I wish for an addon that will let you run several profiles in the same window. being connected to several gmail accounts in the same browser without one knowing bout the other could be really neat
[04:36] <Interruptus> כרומיום
[04:37] <Interruptus> על הפנים
[04:37] <Interruptus> כרום זה הדפדפן הטוב
[05:32] <Avihay> interruptus is an agent of the corporations man! don't listen to his lies! :->


[09:12] <rmg51> Morning
[10:43]  * SamuraiAlba wakes up
[10:43]  * SamuraiAlba noms nachos
[11:23]  * rmg51 signs out
[11:24]  * rmg51 goes to work
[11:24] <rmg51> :P
[12:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:46] <ChinnoDog> morning
[12:57] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:32] <ChinnoDog> I must admit that I enjoyed Fosscon
[14:43] <teddy-dbear> :-[
[14:59] <ChinnoDog> Maybe next time I can contribute.
[15:16] <jedijf> ++
[15:16] <jedijf> did you use the practice podium?
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> No. What would I practice a year ahead of time? :-p
[15:39] <jedijf> clyde is dpoing next years talk approvals
[15:39] <jedijf> *doing
[15:41] <ChinnoDog> Too soon.
[15:47] <waltman> clyde needs to do next year's keynote
[15:53] <jedijf> ++
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: what!
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> I won something and wasn't there
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: is this your doing?
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> ?
[16:10] <jedijf> that's ok, because then they picked *me*
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> no I left after keenerds talk
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> well what was it..
[16:10] <jedijf> and i gave to the little dude
[16:10] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: did you see the little dude?  That is a pretty narrow topic.
[16:15] <jedijf> does narrow often make it wide?
[16:15] <jedijf> my wife is tired of hearing "READ; it's fundemental"
[16:16] <jedijf> fundamental (spelling is too)
[16:16] <ChinnoDog> Tell her that men are the only ones that are allowed to not follow directions.
[16:17] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: "Sailing with FOSS"
[16:17] <ChinnoDog> If I had content for that I would totally do that.
[16:17] <jedijf> FOSSboating
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> By next year I might have something for that. I do intend to build an Ubuntu powered sailing computer.
[16:18] <jedijf> document - do
[16:19] <jedijf> sail up, do talk, sail back -
[16:21] <waltman> MutantTurkey: did we forget to mention that you have to be present to win a doorprize? oops.
[16:21] <ChinnoDog> I put that project in my someday/maybe pile. It might be more about excercising personal freedom than boats. I'll see if turns into anything.


[04:33] <mup> Bug #1619610 changed: [CI] test_region_rack_connected failing frequently <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1619610>
[19:01] <iggy> on http://maas.io/docs/en/installconfig-checklist there's a link to http://maas.io/docs/en/installconfig-zones in the "Zones" section that 404's


[01:39] <kristian-aalborg> jj-afk: ah nm, it got too late
[11:38] <kristian-aalborg> morning
[11:55] <edgimar_> Could anyone give me tips on debugging a kern.log entry -- I am seeing a "bad: scheduling from the idle thread; Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.32-29-generic #58-Ubuntu; Call Trace: ..." about every 2-3 microseconds -- and the logs (kern.log, syslog, and messages) are getting HUGE (as in around 20GB each).
[12:03] <edgimar_> Here's a snippet from the syslog which could be relevant: http://pastebin.com/m3tUashf
[13:00] <kristian-aalborg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[13:01] <kristian-aalborg> the dependencies you get with the command listed here (sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r)) are way too heavy - who's to "blame"?
[13:02] <kristian-aalborg> not the quatiation marks, nobody is to blame of course :) but this could probably be fixed
[14:15] <AnAnt> Hello, anyone knows what happened to open_sem function in kernel ?
[14:15] <AnAnt> was it replaced by something else ?
[14:24] <kristian-aalborg> there should be some kind of lottery where you got a ticket each time a kernel build failed ;)
[14:28] <AnAnt> sorry, I meant DECLARE_MUTEX
[14:29] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: I'd be sooooo rich.  ;-)
[14:36] <kristian-aalborg> speaking of errors, ah few is nothing to worry about, right?
[14:39] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: actually, any *error* will stop your build dead.    perhaps you just mean warnings?   post an example of one of the "errors" you're worried about.
[14:39] <kristian-aalborg> kamal: yup, I was thinking warnings
[14:40] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: yeah, the kernel build spews lots and lots of warnings for sure...  don't worry about them, as long as your build keeps rolling along.
[14:50] <kristian-aalborg> it would be cool if you could just upload your .config and then get the .deb
[15:07] <kristian-aalborg> bugger, it quit again
[15:24] <kristian-aalborg> I got it to build finally, installing now :)
[15:49] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, dependency problems
[16:03] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: which .deb(s) did you build and install?  If you build "binary-headers" and "binary-generic" you should end up with 3 .debs (one linux-image-...deb and two linux-headers-...deb).  That set of 3 .debs should be installed as a group.   That help any?
[16:04]  * kamal notes that the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel fails to mention binary-headers :-(
[16:06] <kristian-aalborg> kamal: likely
[16:07] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: try this instead of just 'binary-generic':    fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic
[16:07] <kamal> then verify that you end up with 3 .debs -- dpkg -i them all together -- should help.   I'll see about fixing the wiki.
[16:08] <kristian-aalborg> kamal I was following some instructions I got on this channel recently more than the wiki
[16:13]  * kristian-aalborg facepalmed and got some more coffee... is ready again now
[16:14] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: oh yes, I should have mentioned...  strong coffee is another prerequisite for the kernel build ;-)
[16:17] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, I actually only have two .debs - linux-headers and linux-image
[16:17] <kristian-aalborg> I got the missing modules error, then tried again with the ignore-missing (or such) flag
[16:18] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: ignoring module checks and abi is fine.  I suspect you need that third .deb, which you'll get if you build 'binary-headers'
[16:19] <kamal> FYI, the complete set of 3 will look something like this:
[16:19] <kamal> linux-headers-2.6.38-6_2.6.38-6.34_all.deb
[16:19] <kamal> linux-headers-2.6.38-6-generic_2.6.38-6.34_amd64.deb
[16:19] <kamal> linux-image-2.6.38-6-generic_2.6.38-6.34_amd64.deb
[16:20] <kristian-aalborg> ok
[16:20] <kristian-aalborg> so, fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers
[16:20] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: yes
[16:21] <kristian-aalborg> how "heavy" is that, compared to the others?
[16:21] <kamal> very light
[16:21] <kristian-aalborg> cool
[16:21] <kristian-aalborg> who's doing the wiki, btw?
[16:22] <kamal> the wiki pages are maintained by the Ubuntu kernel team (and the community in general)
[16:23] <kristian-aalborg> it could use a little touching up, although I really like that it's rather short
[16:24] <kristian-aalborg> btw, ubuntu.com is looking real pro these days - probably the neatest OS website I have seen
[16:24] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: there have been various versions of the "how to build a kernel" instructions, some too long, some too short.   its tough to come up with one document that works well for everybody.
[16:24] <kristian-aalborg> sure
[16:25] <kristian-aalborg> there's just a point where it gets so detailed that users can be intimidated to never try, imo
[16:26] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: absolutely true -- I like the "short instructions" for that reason, but perhaps they've been trimmed down just a bit too much.
[16:28] <kristian-aalborg> yes, it is a very hard balance to find
[16:30] <kristian-aalborg> there's also a point where you keep users in the dark by insisting that they do things the "easy" way
[16:33] <kristian-aalborg> something is happening now... this might work
[16:37] <kristian-aalborg> kamal: using apmd?
[16:38] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: nope
[16:39] <kristian-aalborg> erm, my new kernel reboots the box
[16:39] <kristian-aalborg> also in recovery mode
[16:41] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: did you apply any patches, or is the source unmodified?  What version exactly did you build, and what Ubuntu version are you running?
[16:41] <kristian-aalborg> I'm running 10.4 - I did a make localmodconfig and then tweaked it
[16:41] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: I suggest that you try building a plain unmodified kernel as a sanity check.
[16:42] <kristian-aalborg> I got it via git
[16:42] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, that's probably what I should do
[16:44] <kristian-aalborg> something weird is that I called it ~custom, but it seems to have installed as -generic
[16:45] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: so are you building the ubuntu-lucid (10.04) kernel on a lucid system, and then installing it on a lucid system?  Or something more fancy (i.e. installing a newer-than-lucid kernel on a lucid system?)
[16:46] <kristian-aalborg> I'm building on Lubuntu 10.4 which should be the same, then installing on 10.4
[16:47] <kristian-aalborg> wut
[16:47] <kristian-aalborg> aptitude wants to install tzdata and similar things
[16:48] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: ok, nothing too fancy then.   I don't understand what you mean by "called it ~custom" vs. "installed as" though...  Sounds like you modified debian{.master?}/changelog and didn't get the result you expected.  post the specifics if you need help unraveling that.
[16:48] <kristian-aalborg> might fix things... lemme see
[16:48] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: tzdata gets updated often -- probably not related to your kernel build/reboot issue.
[16:49] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, I was thinking of BzImage
[16:49] <kristian-aalborg> I edited debian/changelog to have a name that'd be different from my other kernels
[16:49] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: good plan, but ...
[16:50] <kristian-aalborg> this reflects in the names of my .debs, so weird it's not showing upon install
[16:50] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: note that debian/changelog gets overwritten (copied from) debian.master/changelog during the "fakeroot debian/rules clean" phase ...
[16:50] <kristian-aalborg> I did it before
[16:51] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: I'd say, double-check debian/changelog *now* to make sure it still has your ~custom tag in there -- does it?
[16:51] <kristian-aalborg> one moment, I have to fire up another pc then
[16:52] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: oh wait...   do you mean just that you expected to see "~custom" in the GRUB boot loader menu?  it doesn't show it there (sadly)!
[16:52] <kristian-aalborg> ah, that's okay
[16:53] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: yeah, it shows up in 'uname -a' (but it sounds like you're rebooting/crashing long before getting to a login prompt, yes?)
[16:53] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[16:54] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: likely all is fine then -- when you build your "unmodified" test kernel, you may want to go ahead and *still* mark it with a special version string, just so you can verify that its really your kernel with 'uname -a' once you do get it to boot.
[16:54] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: I often build test kernels with a "~unchanged" version string addition.
[16:55] <kristian-aalborg> I fooled around with dpkt and apt-get to try to "fix" the .deb that would not install
[16:56] <kristian-aalborg> I seem to have locked linux-generic in the process, unwise as I am
[17:01] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: I don't know what state you're in there, but      apt-get install -f          may help (or at least tell you what the problem is).
[17:07] <kristian-aalborg> they say "dependency hell" as if there is a "dependency heaven"... sigh
[17:16] <kristian-aalborg> I'm wondering... since this is from git, could it be partly unmet by the repos?
[17:17] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: unlikely -- the git repo's "master" branch should always produce a kernel that builds and installs properly.
[17:17] <kristian-aalborg> ok
[17:19] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: I wonder if you have some leftover bits installed from your first failed installs.  try this:
[17:19] <kamal> dpkg -l | grep "~custom"
[17:19] <kamal> this should list all packages that you have installed which have "~custom" in their name
[17:20] <kristian-aalborg> I still have all of it
[17:20] <hyperair> kristian-aalborg: dependency issues? how about a paste of the errors?
[17:20] <kristian-aalborg> hi hyperair
[17:20] <hyperair> hi
[17:20] <hyperair> so how about pastebinning your errors
[17:21] <kristian-aalborg> these issues were my own fault... I was missing a .deb
[17:21] <kamal> you could remove (with dpkg) all of your "~custom" packages to clean up.
[17:23] <kristian-aalborg> I'm trying once more now the dependencies seem fixed
[18:05] <kristian-aalborg> ah, enough for now
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> but thanks for helping out, ppl... I believe I will have this sorted in the foreseeable future
[20:19]  * kristian-aalborg is back
[20:20] <kristian-aalborg> kamal: ping
[20:21] <kristian-aalborg> fakeroot debian/rules clean
[20:21] <kristian-aalborg> fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic
[20:21] <kristian-aalborg> only these two commands needed for the "sanity check"?
[20:29] <Kano> hi, would somebody update kernel-wedge to be newer than current squeeze/sid version?
[20:48] <kamal> kristian-aalborg: I always do:   fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic    (building and installing the headers along with image is quick enough, and never hurts)
[20:51] <kristian-aalborg> I'll do that as well, then... although not in that order
[20:52] <kristian-aalborg> btw the system I'm building on is Lubuntu 10.4, not Ubuntu... but should not matter, I think


[10:54] <ev> hrm, the ubiquity drop_privileges trick doesn't work with ibus, it seems
[11:59] <davmor2> cjwatson, superm1: ubiquity is firing up today :)
[12:00] <cjwatson> good
[12:02] <davmor2> cjwatson: I'm seeing a bit of a glitch from screen 2->3 language screen -> location screen.  ubiquity flashes the same screen is in place and then becomes the next page.
[12:19] <davmor2> cjwatson: Yay installed :)
[12:28] <CIA-6> os-prober: evand * r237 ubuntu/ (18 files in 7 dirs): Merge from debian 1.35
[12:32] <ev> oh damn.  It appears I'm woefully out of date here.
[12:33] <ev> cjwatson: did you intentionally drop the umount retry delta in os-prober?
[12:35] <cjwatson> ev: yes, the private mount namespace stuff in 1.31 made it unnecessary
[12:35] <ev> then damn again.  Shall I just leave this as-is, since the branch is effectively dead?
[12:50] <cjwatson> fine by me ...
[16:48] <_ruben> hmm .. network install of karmic onto 2 md's (md0: /boot, md1: lvm) results in broken system
[16:48] <_ruben> it claims to be waiting for /dev/md0 and offers recovery shell .. /dev/md0 is present just fine in the recovery shell
[16:53] <_ruben> will try to troubleshoot some more tomorrow (when im back at its console again)
[18:11] <thales_vaz> hi, does anyone know how to install the alternative cd with a pen drive? no cd-rom
[18:13] <thales_vaz> >:o
[18:14] <thales_vaz> anyone? help?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Probably be better to ask that in #ubuntu
[18:19] <charlie-tca> or search in https://help.ubuntu.com/ for a wiki article
[18:19] <thales_vaz> all right, thanks a lot
[18:19] <thales_vaz> ;)
[23:32] <EphriamGrey> I just finished putting togther a new box - however, I left my keyboard, cd drive, linux boot flashdrive at home. I have my intel macbook w/ Mac OS X, a monitor, usb mouse, blank usb flash drive. Is it possible to make a usb installation for Ubuntu, if so, can I make it on a Mac? Also, does Ubuntu have kickstart like Red Hat?


[08:49] <g66k> hello everyone
[08:50] <g66k> im trying to share the web dir with windows but seems there is an error permission denied i cant edit files from windows
[13:13] <echoe> is there anything known to cause a bootup error sometimes? like, I am getting a failure to launch linux/x and blank screen/blinking caps lock, but only, like, 20% of the time I boot. I've got an x220t if that helps.
[13:14] <hateball> echoe: check dmesg and such
[13:14] <hateball> make sure filesystem is fine, and physical hardware as well
[13:28] <echoe> dmesg hasn't said anything. it's possible that it's some part of the physical hardware but I don't really know how to check that. filesystem should theoretically also be fine, it's only been installed for a day or so. ... probably a physical hardware thing I think, but how do I check anything with that?
[13:29] <hateball> echoe: liveboot and run memtest for RAM
[13:29] <hateball> echoe: or install smartmon-tools and run smartctl to check your HDD
[13:29] <hateball> (if it is HDD and not SSD
[13:29] <echoe> 'tis an SSD
[13:29] <hateball> hmmm
[13:30] <echoe> the thing is, though, it's basically only on boot and resume from suspend
[13:30] <hateball> echoe: when the freeze happens, are you able to to switch to a tty and check dmesg?
[13:30] <hateball> I mean, if it's just X that fails
[13:31] <hateball> also suspend is a different beast entirely :D
[13:31] <echoe> I think that everything fails, it looks like a kernel panic but I'll check when it does happen again!
[13:32] <hateball> echoe: you can trying using this kernel param if it's some SSD related issue "libata.force=noncq"
[13:32] <hateball> I had this with my samsung drive, it has since been blacklisted in kernel
[13:32] <hateball> but when that happened, it would at least spit out errors in a tty iirc
[13:36] <echoe> I've added it just in case :) I don't need the additional speed that it looks like that change removes? ... this thing boots in like 4s anyways
[13:36] <echoe> thank you so much!
[13:36] <hateball> echoe: I've had no real world change in speeds anyhow
[13:37] <echoe> I assume it's just the difference in sata 1 vs sata 2 or something. my drive is also pretty crappy, I bought a patriot torch 60gb like a while back
[21:03] <hanshenrik> is 16.04 using LXDE or LXQT?
[21:03] <wxl> hanshenrik: you get around. :) lxde.
[21:06] <hanshenrik> i guess that somewhere there is a trash.desktop file or something on a standard lxde installation,
[21:07] <wxl> this is on debian, no?
[21:07] <hanshenrik> could someone do like `cat trash.desktop | pastebinit` ? i want to see the syntax of that file
[21:07] <hanshenrik> yes it is
[21:07] <wxl> so why not shake the tree of the debian folks?
[21:07] <wxl> it's not really safe to assume that everything is the same with us.
[21:08] <hanshenrik> .. i did, but no response
[21:09] <hanshenrik> i guess most debian people aren't really using lxde anyway
[21:09] <wxl> usually with irc, patience is a virtue
[21:09] <hanshenrik> true
[21:10] <hanshenrik> initially i thought it'd be overkill to install a whole new system with a normal lxde just to see how the trash icon was made, now im not so sure x.x
[21:12] <wxl> there are live cds
[21:12] <hanshenrik> yup, ill do that ^^ thanks for the warning i guess
[21:19] <wxl> hanshenrik: not finding anything interesting regarding trash at all and certainly not a desktop file
[21:20] <wxl> seems to be a folder pointing to trash:///
[21:20] <hanshenrik> oki, thanks for looking! :)
[21:21] <wxl> i think pcmanfm must implement it under the hood somehow


[11:15] <wolfger> Morning.
[11:18] <wolfger> Can somebody explain to me why, when I specifically tell Outlook to save changes to a meeting, it pops up a dialog asking me if I want to A) save the changes and send the update to everybody or B) don't save and keep the meeting open? In what universe would I ever click on File -> Save and then not want to save?
[11:18] <wolfger> Windows is a fine gaming platform, but it sucks for getting anything useful done. :-p
[11:29] <rick_h_> morning
[11:35] <brousch_> Because Outlook
[11:36] <brousch_> OK, how did I miss this whole segment of cheap Windows 8.1 tablets? Would they not make excellent Ubuntu tablets? http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-W4-820-2466-8-Inch-Windows/dp/B00G1YJ5BE/
[11:37] <brousch_> 8", 1280x800, quad core Atom, 2GB RAM, 32-64GB Flash, Intel chipsets
[11:38] <rick_h_> why are we rehashing the netbook generation?
[11:38] <brousch_> Touch!
[11:38] <brousch_> Also, there's Thinkpad 8 from Lenovo: 8" 1920x1200 otherwise similar
[11:39] <brousch_> Oh, they are $250-$300, with the thinkpad 8 at $450
[11:40] <brousch_> Weigh less than 1lb
[11:59] <wolfger> Tablet! Because netbook - keyboard = better?
[12:00] <brousch_> Exactly!
[12:00] <wolfger> Although I must admit I use my iPad Air a lot more often than I ever used any netbook
[12:01] <brousch_> 75% of my home computer usage is on my Android devices
[12:01] <brousch_> It's not because they're more capable, it's the form factor
[12:02] <brousch_> So not put your desktop OS in that form factor
[12:02] <wolfger> An Ubuntu tablet would be pretty nifty to have...
[12:03] <wolfger> Does Ubuntu have a Swype package?
[12:05] <brousch_> I don't know the status of their virtual keyboards
[12:05] <brousch_> LAst time I tried was ~6 years ago and it sucked
[13:17] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:17] <rick_h_> morning
[13:44] <wolfger> still morning? Man, today is dragging. :-p
[13:44] <rick_h_> heh it's crazy
[13:45] <cmaloney> Yeah, because we didn't have power at work I've been catching up on things.
[13:45] <cmaloney> fortunately we got power in the afternoon so I was able to take care of a few day-specific things.
[13:46] <cmaloney> Otherwise this morning would have been more interesting.
[13:46] <cmaloney> I really wish I had my Leopold keyboard here at work. Missing it. :)
[13:46] <cmaloney> Using the Logitech wireless keyboard.
[13:46] <cmaloney> K520
[13:47] <cmaloney> About the only thing I like about it is it doesn't have that damn menu key near the spacebar.
[13:47] <cmaloney> My keyboard technique is such that I hit it when I'm home.
[13:47] <cmaloney> Causes all sorts of hell.
[14:09] <wolfger> Heh. I bet.
[16:56] <rick_h_> ok, time to turn off the internet
[16:57] <cmaloney> Just ignore me.
[16:57] <cmaloney> Apparently I fail internet.
[16:57] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, I didn't follow what you said but it seemed to be saying you weren't following what I said
[16:57] <rick_h_> so I consider us even
[16:58] <cmaloney> I was trying to reply to someone else and failing
[16:58] <rick_h_> cmaloney: oh, even better then
[17:07] <cmaloney> bother.  Did like the vibration control they showed with maps though. I think I'll still with Android, plus I already got a Moto360 on the way!
[19:23] <mrgoodcat> moto 360 uses same SOC as the MOTOACTV
[19:23]  * mrgoodcat *headdesk*
[19:24] <cmaloney> soc?
[19:25] <cmaloney> System on a Chip?
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> yes
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> cpu basically
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> but with RAM and stuff built in
[19:29] <mrgoodcat> in a nutshell
[19:34] <jrwren_> I was eyeing Fossil watches, but I decided I don't need a watch.
[19:35] <brousch_> even one with a little apple on it?!
[19:35] <mrgoodcat> apple made the same mistake lg and samsung did with the smartwatches
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> they made it big and square
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> at least the 360 looks good
[19:36] <mrgoodcat> even if the internals are total shit
[19:36] <rick_h_> it will when they release the SS version
[19:36] <brousch_> Why is it not apple-shaped?!
[19:36] <dzho> so, when will we have our first case of someone getting food poisoning or something because they didn't want to get their smahtwatch wet and so failed at handwashing?
[19:37] <rick_h_> except they can get wet :P so no reason not to watch
[19:37] <rick_h_> wash
[19:37] <mrgoodcat> moto just needs to get their shit together and update the 360 with something that doesn't have 45nm transistors
[19:37] <dzho> so, is the Apple Watch water resistant?
[19:37] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: unless you have a leather wristband
[19:38] <mrgoodcat> dzho: i woudl assume so?
[19:38] <rick_h_> nato, ss or bust
[19:59] <cmaloney> If they're smart they'll let folks change out the wrist straps
[19:59] <cmaloney> if they're Apple you'll have to use Apple straps
[20:00] <mrgoodcat> you have to use moto straps on the 360
[20:00] <mrgoodcat> its removeable but nonstandard
[20:01] <cmaloney> http://www.apple.com/watch/apple-watch-sport/
[20:01] <cmaloney> There's three different bodies, afaict.
[20:01] <cmaloney> That's lame.
[20:02] <cmaloney> Hm, actually I think I'm looking at that wrong
[20:02] <cmaloney> it looks like they have different "removable" posts that use that same slide-out nonsense that my old pedometer watch had.


[09:23] <doko> lamont: about the gcc patches proposed by jda ... did you test them?
[02:50] <lamont> doko: tausq did
[02:51] <doko> lamont: safe to apply?
[02:52] <lamont> pre-beta?  probably not safe to upload any gcc change... :-)  Post-beta, yes.
[02:52] <doko> sure