[09:16] <Xera> juano__, got it mounted, still no write access
[09:16] <XVampireX> or you can use htop (sudo apt-get install htop)
[09:16] <XVampireX> which is a really nice task manager for the console
[09:17] <juano__> Xera: try chmod +w /pspmountdir
[09:17] <juano__> Xera: try sudo chmod +w /pspmountdir
[09:17] <Tido> also, is it common on linux to run so many processes?
[09:17] <Tido> currently I'm running 100
[09:17] <Tumppi-`> fxr: Thats nice to know, and I would assume it goes for kubuntu as well. I've had firestarter until now and I had no idea it was just GUI for the built-in "firewall" :)
[09:17] <Tido> if I saw that on a windows machine I'd freak
[09:17] <XVampireX> Tido: They are background tasks that idle until they are needed, you shouldn't worry about them
[09:18] <Tido> also is there a way to disable bluetooth? this laptop doesn't have any bt adapters
[09:18] <Xera> jamie@jamie:/media$ sudo chmod +w /media/sdc1 chmod: changing permissions of `/media/sdc1: Read-only file system
[09:18] <juano__> anyone know why kmail cant send mail?? its not ISP cause thunderbird works fine: smtp.gmail.com port 465 (tried 587) PLAIN TLS
[09:18] <Tido> and I don't see the sense in running these processes for it
[09:18] <XVampireX> Tido: I didn't have bluetooth turned on here when I installed it so I don't know
[09:18] <XVampireX> Tido: They are kernel processes
[09:19] <Tido> k
[09:19] <Xera> gay thing about kubuntu(and other distros?) is you can't uninstall the software that comes on it
[09:19] <XVampireX> They don't take any meaningful system resources
[09:19] <XVampireX> You can
[09:19] <Xera> e.g you can't remove amaroK or konversation
[09:19] <XVampireX> You can
[09:19] <Xera> it says it will remove a load of other programs with it
[09:20] <XVampireX> They are dependencies, you can remove them via dpkg, not apt-get
[09:20] <HymnToLife> Xera, get Debian :)
[09:20] <XVampireX> do sudo dpkg -r packagename
[09:20] <XVampireX> I don't know why you'd want to uninstall them though
[09:20] <kowa> moin moin
[09:21] <fxr> yeah, Tumppi, seems we have one less thing to worry about ; )
[09:22] <blekos> anybody knows how i can change the KDM theme?
[09:22] <Xera> i shall give up in a minute xD
[09:22] <Tido> also, I think the term 'linux is really stable' can be misleading.  Yeah 'linux' is, but not all of these programs are :x
[09:22] <XVampireX> Synaptic and Adept are frontends to apt, not dpkg, and apt is a frontend to dpkg, they saw a need to handle dependencies
[09:22] <Xera> i need my 1gb mem stick to transfer the .iso to my uncles lapyop :<
[09:22] <Xera> laptop*
[09:22] <XVampireX> Tido: Don't use cutting edge software if you are looking for stable
[09:23] <blekos> ihave kde but use synaptic, is that a problem??
[09:23] <XVampireX> No
[09:23] <Xera> blekos, nop
[09:23] <XVampireX> I wish they would actually use synaptic instead of adept, adept is silly
[09:23] <XVampireX> It's no more helpful than just doing everything manually
[09:23] <Xera> adept is so slow
[09:24] <XVampireX> Yes
[09:24] <Xera> ahhhhhhhh i neeeeeeed windows(yes i know i said it :'()!! no CS without it :(
[09:25] <Tumppi-`> fxr, actually it seems that doing nothing is not enough, "The default Ubuntu install leaves iptables in its default state of allowing averything. You need to take positive action in order to have the firewall block anything"
[09:26] <Tumppi-`> pretty confusing topic, since this guy says we need to do something and the other guy says we don't :P
[09:27] <Xera> why on earth do you want a firewall for linux? ;)
[09:27] <XVampireX> Xera: CS = Counter Strike? If so, I see alot of people playing CS via wine just fine
[09:27] <Xera> XVampireX, Radeon 9250 doesn't have any half decent drivers for linux
[09:27] <Tumppi-`> well I have no idea how the system works, although not as vulnerable as windows, can someone just start doing stuff with my computer without my permission? =)
[09:27] <Xera> so i have 1fps in ogl
[09:27] <Bizzy> because contrary to popular belief, linux is very hackable, people just dont do it, becuase there is no criminal proffit
[09:28] <Xera> Bizzy, lies
[09:28] <Xera> =p
[09:28] <Bizzy> its actualy, in theory, more vulnerable than windows
[09:28] <Xera> no?
[09:28] <Xera> xD
[09:28] <Tumppi-`> but what if they don't even have the root password?
[09:28] <Kyral> Bizzy: The open source nature also prevents it
[09:28] <Xera> no damn viruses, root protection(virusses can't get the root password)
[09:28] <Tumppi-`> how could they do something
[09:28] <Tumppi-`> keylog?
[09:28] <Bizzy> no
[09:28] <Bizzy> the open source nature just covers over bugs faster
[09:28] <Tumppi-`> is keylogging possible without root password in the first place?
[09:28] <Bizzy> (notice i said covers over, not closes)
[09:28] <xenophile7x7> linux is hacked alot
[09:28] <Xera> Bizzy, no?..
[09:29] <Kyral> Tumppi-`: JDong once told me a story involving Mitnick where Mitnick used GCC to gain root
[09:29] <xenophile7x7> but its holes are fixed quicker
[09:29] <xenophile7x7> and there are alot mroe windows machines than linux machines
[09:29] <Bizzy> Xera: in open source, the entry point is usualy closed, the bug its self still remains
 but its holes are fixed quicker
 and there are alot mroe windows machines than linux machines
[09:29] <Bizzy> see
[09:29] <Bizzy> someone actualy gets it
[09:29] <Bizzy> someone has more than a single brain cel
[09:29] <Xera> well, you think every 1000 or so people that look at the source and just close the entry point?
[09:29] <Xera> i doubt it
[09:30] <xenophile7x7> lol, im still learnin linux, but i do understand the security world
[09:30] <Xera> - and
[09:30] <XVampireX> Xera: True that
[09:30] <Tumppi-`> well what is a new user to do to stop people getting onto my comp?
[09:30] <XVampireX> In the future bugs will be non existant, I hope
[09:30] <Bizzy> Xera: firefox have fixed about 10% of the bugs they claim to have fixed, the rest have just had the point of entry closed
[09:31] <XVampireX> If the theory that more users = more bug reports + more developers = more fixes/faster/better
[09:31] <xenophile7x7> tummpi: dont connect it to the internet :P
[09:31] <Xera> hmm, think if i put my mem stick duo pro into my phone it'll let me write?
[09:31] <Tumppi-`> haha, thats just bad :P
[09:31] <Tumppi-`> I need internet
[09:31] <Xera> because my phone uses mem stick duo pro, and i can write to that
[09:31] <Tumppi-`> "need"
[09:32] <Xera> lol
[09:32] <fxr> so is this quote tru or not? "Unless you install a listening service sudh as an SSH server or web server, your machine will not accept incoming connections so cannot be got at. As soon as you install a service that listens for incoming connections, you need to review your firewall needs."
[09:33] <Bizzy> XVampireX: also, in theory, more users == more hardware combo's and more software combos, and windows is payware, so they have corporate responsibility.. i work for a big company, and i know security better than most OSS people who think they know security, you cant just patch something and say "there it is" you need to make sure your not breaking other stuff by fixing this problem
[09:33] <Tumppi-`> well my firestarter keeps saying its blocking something, so I quess not everythings coming through?
[09:33] <xenophile7x7> tummpi, generally speaking, use common sense (stay off the porn sites, avoid the #warez rooms, etc) and you should be pretty safe. youcould also use a router with a builtin firewall
[09:33] <xenophile7x7> strong passwords, good infosec, all that crap
[09:34] <xenophile7x7> and start learnign your OS so you can identify security issues and correct them
[09:34] <Xera> aww no porn? :'(
[09:34] <XVampireX> Bizzy: What's your point? Haven't got any problems  here with security ;)
[09:34] <xenophile7x7> lol, just no porn sites. theres a diff ;)
[09:34] <Xera> XVampireX, only security issue i have is my php coding  ;p
[09:34] <fdoving> fxr: basically, yes.
[09:35] <XVampireX> Bizzy: Responsibility shmansibility, all microsoft got is money, they got no guts, all they do is illegal
[09:35] <Tumppi-`> I Am using common sense (at least somewhat :P), got a firewalled router (But don't really count on it on this matter)
[09:36] <Xera> microsoft is a monopoly
[09:36] <fxr> what way do my p2p programs work then? do there automatically open ports in the built in firewall during their install?
[09:36] <Xera> they control the market
[09:36] <Tumppi-`> but learning os takes time
[09:36] <xenophile7x7> actually, even the microsoft EULA is technically illegal
[09:36] <fxr> *there = they
[09:36] <Tumppi-`> a lot of time
[09:36] <XVampireX> And don't get me started on 100 thousands of viruses and worms and what not
[09:36] <Tido> if I owned a business, had a monopoly, and could control the market, I would :p
[09:36] <Xera> lol
[09:36] <Xera> it's illegal
[09:36] <Tido> so?
[09:36] <XVampireX> Very much so
[09:36] <Xera> ms has been sued quite a few times for it
[09:36] <Tido> again, so?
[09:36] <Xera> you want to lose all your cash?
[09:36] <Xera> ^^'
[09:37] <XVampireX> By the way
[09:37] <Tido> has m$?
[09:37] <XVampireX> !offtopic
[09:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:37] <fdoving> fxr: the clue is, there is no firewall, when you start a p2p program, you open listening ports.
[09:37] <Xera> Tido, yes.. now we should move from this chan
[09:37] <xenophile7x7> tumppi: then your pretty ok, for the most part. now i suggest just readin up on whichever linux your using, and learnin it as best you can
[09:37] <XVampireX> Mostly people here are trying to fix things they need problems with right now we're discussing politics
[09:37] <Xera> before ubotu gets angry >:(
[09:37] <Tido> yeah np
 actually, even the microsoft EULA is technically illegal << and the GPL isnt a free licence, which it is legaly listed as
[09:37] <Xera> !anything
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:37] <Bizzy> which makes the GPL illegal
[09:38] <todd_> Wondering if anyone can help me with an authentication problem?
[09:38] <xenophile7x7> bizzy:hmmm...wasnt aware of that
[09:38] <XVampireX> And just so you know #ubuntu-offtopic seems to be a bit more active than #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[09:38] <Bizzy> same thing goes for both, nobody really knows or cares about it
[09:38] <fdoving> todd_: what's the problem?
[09:38] <blekos> i think few comps were not installad in kde (i isntalled it from gnome), if i use the KDE pkg from synaptics is that ok?
[09:38] <todd_> I need to log into the USPTO website
[09:38] <todd_> I used to use firefox on XP
[09:38] <Tumppi-`> so the safest way would be closing all the ports you don't need, and open only the ones using? or at least one part of the safe routine?
[09:38] <todd_> I have authentication codes from the Patent Office
[09:38] <Xera> root@jamie:/media/sdc1# ls Windows XP to Media Center Edition 2005 Converter.iso
[09:39] <Xera> i copy one file and all the others dissapear?
[09:39] <Xera> xD
[09:39] <xenophile7x7> tumppi: also if you have any special needs for security, like you have important info at home (youdont work for the VA do you? :P ) then you could pick upsome security books, like the Hacking Exposed series, to learn more abotu how youc an be hacked/compromised, and ways to prevent it
[09:39] <todd_> And want to use Linux and Kubuntu: I like it so far
[09:39] <Xera> oh shi- what size is the windows iso normally
[09:39] <Xera> ?
[09:39] <Xera> i think i downloaded some other rubbish :X
[09:39] <fdoving> todd_: konqueror doesn't handle the site? you can install firefox on kubuntu too.
[09:40] <fdoving> Xera: OFFTOPIC!
[09:40] <todd_> I installed firefox but it doesn't work
[09:40] <todd_> I mean firefox works
[09:40] <fdoving> todd_: it doesn't start?
[09:40] <todd_> but I cannot login
[09:40] <fdoving> ok.
[09:40] <Xera> fdoving, :(
[09:40] <Tumppi-`> xenophile, all I'm afraid of losing, is mainly my passwords for websites and such. And of course, man has to care about his privacy :P
[09:40] <todd_> I have this *.epf code
[09:40] <fdoving> todd_: you can give opera a try.
[09:41] <todd_> and when I paste it into the login box, it hangs
[09:41] <xenophile7x7> lol of course ;)
[09:41] <XVampireX> todd_: What do you need exactly?
[09:41] <fdoving> !opera | todd_
[09:41] <ubotu> todd_: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:41] <xenophile7x7> basics, like a good firewall, should be fine. just shut down everythign thats not needed
[09:41] <xenophile7x7> use strong passwords
[09:41] <xenophile7x7> all that jazz
[09:41] <Tumppi-`> And if I block the ports not used, no-one can get to my computer, right? =P
[09:42] <todd_> I am not sure, but I think I need to install JRE into firefox but am having trouble finding it in Adept or Synaptic
[09:42] <Tido> todd_: try automatix
[09:42] <fdoving> todd_: ah, you might need java.
[09:42] <fdoving> !java | todd_
[09:42] <ubotu> todd_: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[09:42] <fdoving> Tido: we don't recommend automatix.
[09:42] <Tido> oh
[09:42] <fdoving> !automatix | tido
[09:42] <ubotu> tido: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:42] <Tido> nvm todd, automatix sucks
[09:42] <Tido> lol
[09:43] <todd_> thanks for the help!  p.s. this was my first IRC and you folks are great.
[09:43] <todd_> bye
[09:43] <xenophile7x7> tumppi: not necessarily. they just cant get into it as easily. it limits whaty they can do. IE if you dont run an ftp, and close the ftp port, they have a much slimmer chance of using ftp or ftp exploits to access yoru box
[09:44] <xenophile7x7> tumppi, it doesnt 100% guarantee your security. it just helps enormously
[09:45] <phobiac> When I have kopete and ktorrent running at the same time, my internet often kicks out and I have to disable and re-enable my connection. It's a 100 mbit wired connection too, it should be able to handle this. Anyone have any ideas for what I can do?
[09:45] <harris> is there a gui program that will allow me to edit my usplash file?
[09:46] <fdoving> !usplash | harris
[09:46] <ubotu> harris: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[09:46] <Tumppi-`> alright, I think I'm safe for now then =) It's good to know, that you really can't be too cautious, even when usin linux =)
[09:46] <Tumppi-`> Enormous thanks for the helps and all  =)
[09:47] <harris> thanks a lot fdoving i will try that out now!!!!
[09:49] <fdoving> you're welcome harris. :)
[09:49] <MacNorthXP> binks! you hider
[09:50] <harris> fdoving: the command that you gave me updates the usplash file?
[09:51] <fdoving> harris: I suggest reading the howto.
[09:51] <fdoving> harris: the one at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[09:51] <Xera> f*ck it i'll wait for dell to send me the damn cds :(
[09:51] <fdoving> !languauge | xera
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languauge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <fdoving> !language | xera
[09:51] <ubotu> xera: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:51] <fdoving> there..
[09:51] <esaym> anyone have any idea about how I can get real time server uptime stats listed on my webpage?
[09:52] <gdiebel> Xera: why do you need dell cds?
[09:52] <harris> i've actually come across it on the net previous to comming in here. but it doesn't have a lot of information in regards to edgy
[09:53] <harris> from what i gather i construct a theme and use the command you gave me to use the theme i made to replace the existing usplash?
[09:53] <fdoving> harris: correct, you need to update the init-ramfs with your new usplash theme,
[09:53] <Tido> esaym: http://www.rohitab.com/discuss/lofiversion/index.php/t14144.html
[09:54] <esaym> thank you
[09:54] <harris> ok, is there a gui program that will add me in constructing the new theme?
[09:54] <esaym> I also just found this: http://www.wwwsearchsolutions.com/server_info.php
[09:55] <harris> or can i just use any .png picture
[09:55] <esaym> not sure if I can work it into a web page though
[09:55] <fdoving> harris: i belive you can make your own pictures, probably need to convert them somehow, doesn't the howto say anything about that?`(i'm not into graphics and desgin at all).
[09:56] <MaxDamage`> hey all
[09:57] <harris> not in regards to edgy... but I assume then that it would be the same as the way you would do it with dapper.
[09:57] <fdoving> harris: this might help too: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Change_Usplash
[09:57] <fdoving> harris: .. looks like it's mentioning breezy.. might be outdated too.
[09:57] <MaxDamage``> okay dudes, i got a problem - i can't enable direct rendering on ati radeon 9200 SE
[09:58] <harris> one last question (sorry to bug you) in the command you gave me: "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" what part of it do i replace my file with?
[09:59] <harris> or in other words to i enter my filename into
[10:00] <fdoving> harris: no idea, this might help a little too: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=275317
[10:00] <fxr> MaxDamage theres plenty of info in the ubuntu forums.. on that.. i had same problem...
[10:00] <fxr> how far along are you..?
[10:00] <MaxDamage``>
[10:00] <MaxDamage``> oh**
[10:00] <harris> cool thanks a lot for all your help fdoving I really appreciate it!!!!!
[10:00] <harris> much respect!
[10:01] <MaxDamage``> okay i'll search the forums then =)
[10:01] <fdoving> you're welcome harris.
[10:03] <MaxDamage``> uh, can anyone give me a link to the forums?
[10:03] <MaxDamage``> i can't seem to find them
[10:04] <phobiac> Max: The ubuntu forums?
[10:04] <MaxDamage``> yeah
[10:04] <phobiac> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:04] <phobiac> Google is your friend man :P
[10:04] <MaxDamage``> thanks :)
[10:04] <MaxDamage``> i know
[10:05] <MaxDamage``> just went there and you gave a link
[10:05] <phobiac> Oh lol
[10:07] <barjoh10> hello
[10:09] <MaxDamage``> hi barjoh10 :)
[10:09] <barjoh10> hi maxdamage
[10:10] <MaxDamage``> how's it goin :R
[10:10] <MaxDamage``> :P **
[10:10] <house> hi everybody.. can somebody tell me how to downgrade xorg in edgy to 6.9? is it possible at all?
[10:10] <MaxDamage``> i cant type today... :D
[10:10] <barjoh10> well fine:)
[10:10] <MaxDamage``> glad to hear :p
[10:10] <barjoh10> why
[10:10] <Anakin> hello I changed my root password and now when I try to run adept manager it says incorrect password even if I type the old password !
[10:11] <barjoh10> why u cant type
[10:11] <MaxDamage``> Anakin, change it again :p
[10:11] <MaxDamage``> barjoh10: im just kinda nerveous :D
[10:11] <phobiac> Anakin, do you know what you changed it to?
[10:11] <barjoh10> oh now its anakin
[10:11] <Anakin> phobiac: I do
[10:12] <phobiac> And you've tried using that new pass? Maybe you're typing it wrong?
[10:12] <Anakin> do I have to restart KDE ??
[10:12] <barjoh10> y r u nervous
[10:12] <Anakin> no chance to type it wrong
[10:12] <MaxDamage``> i have no idea
[10:12] <phobiac> That could be possible.
[10:12] <MaxDamage``> too much coffee i guess :/
[10:12] <barjoh10> hahahah
[10:13] <Anakin> ahh...it works...I've changed it again
[10:13] <Anakin> :)
[10:13] <barjoh10> what r u doing right now
[10:13] <house> somebody pls help a noob (me)
[10:14] <barjoh10> hey max damage
[10:14] <phobiac> house, what do you need?
[10:15] <barjoh10> iam talking to u
[10:15] <notech> house: why would you want to downgrade xorg?
[10:17] <house> i have a problem with trident video driver in current xorg - tv out is broken in this driver.. the only driver that has a working tv-out is a patched via driver by blackfive, but this driver is for ild xfree86 and it crashes in new modular xorg, even after recompiling.. i need a way to use an old driver in xorg
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:17] <house> afaik, the latest xorg that used monolithyc drivers was 6.9
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:17] <barjoh10> hi
[10:18] <barjoh10> hi
[10:18] <Tm_T> :o
[10:18] <Tm_T> fdoving: What's that % there? Can't remember seen that thing berofe.
[10:18] <fdoving> Tm_T: it's mute.
[10:19] <Tm_T> fdoving: Isn't ban itself muting?
[10:19] <fdoving> like.. 'ban to +m only'
[10:19] <fdoving> it allows him to be in the channel, just not say anything.
[10:20] <Tm_T> Just like regular ban IIRC.
[10:20] <Tm_T> Kick is separate.
[10:20] <Tm_T> Hmm, but maybe it's different here in Freenode.
[10:20] <fdoving> with this ban, he can rejoin.
[10:20] <Tm_T> Ah, ok.
[10:20] <MaxDamage``> alright then, that was useful to know :p
[10:20] <fdoving> freenode is different.. lots of special stuff. not like the good old ircu2.x :)
[10:20] <MaxDamage``> good to tease little noobies :D
[10:20] <MaxDamage``> no, dont ban meh.. :p
[10:21] <Tm_T> fdoving: Yup, I'm too used to IRCnet...
[10:21] <firecrotch> Is there a way to see what version of *buntu is installed, from the command line?
[10:21] <barjoh10> fdoving f&^(&^ u & ur ban
[10:21] <blekos> hello, in system  asettings->disk & file systems  when i click admin mode, it doesnt ask me 4 psswd
[10:21] <blekos> so i cant do any changes
[10:21] <fdoving> firecrotch: 'lsb_release -a'
[10:21] <phobiac> Okay. I'm having some problems with my internet connection. Having kopete and ktorrent running at the same time quickly knocks it out.
[10:21] <firecrotch> fdoving: thanks
[10:22] <barjoh10> ***ban fdoving
[10:22] <Tm_T> barjoh10: What's your problem?
[10:22] <fdoving> barjoh10: flooding the channel with random crap is not nice. please don't.
[10:22] <phobiac> Anyone have any idea for what I can do? The upload/download rate for ktorrent rarely gets about 10 kp/s
[10:22] <barjoh10> wat u mean
[10:22] <M_Fatih> i want to hide sidebars in quanta.. i can't find where i do that.. i want to hide these : http://imaj.at/5923 how can i do that?
[10:22] <firecrotch> fdoving: what about seeing if it's the server version or the normal install?
[10:22] <tony__> how can i stop and restart apache2 ??? thanks
[10:23] <barjoh10> hey but u dont pay any mind
[10:23] <firecrotch> tony__: sudo apache2ctl stop
[10:23] <fdoving> firecrotch: don't belive there is a command for that.. you can check what kernel you're using. 'uname -a'
[10:23] <Tm_T> barjoh10: Six times repeating same line is usually considered as not too wise doing.
[10:23] <barjoh10> hello zamber
[10:23] <barjoh10> swoorry
[10:23] <barjoh10> Ibeg pardon
[10:23] <barjoh10> serious
[10:23] <Tm_T> Np, just learn your mistakes. :)
[10:24] <fdoving> tony__: as firecrotch says.. or 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart' (stop, start and more works too).
[10:24] <tony__> thanks guys
[10:24] <fabrizio> ragazzi.. ciao!!
[10:24] <Zamber> hey barjoh10
[10:24] <barjoh10> will u forgive me
[10:24] <Tm_T> !it
[10:24] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:24] <MaxDamage``> oh i got another question
[10:24] <firecrotch> fdoving: Does the server version use a different kernel?
[10:24] <MaxDamage``> where can I check my lan card connection?
[10:24] <MaxDamage``> 10/100 mbps?
[10:24] <barjoh10> hey zamberwere are u from
[10:24] <fdoving> firecrotch: yes, i belive it does.
[10:25] <Tm_T> barjoh10: Sure, remember that we're not mean, just try to keep huge masses in nice and tidy chat.
[10:25] <fdoving> barjoh10: for random chatter please use #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic, this is a support channel, and we try to keep it on that topic.
[10:25] <barjoh10> alright thanks
[10:25] <firecrotch> fdoving: okay, it looks like I may have to slap my hosting company with a trout
[10:26] <barjoh10> thank fdoving i was waiting for that topic
[10:26] <Tm_T> firecrotch: Don't or you have greenpeace after you, use baseball bat.
[10:26] <firecrotch> haha
[10:27] <MaxDamage``> so anyone know how to check my connection speed to the network?
[10:27] <MaxDamage``> 10 or 100 mbps?
[10:27] <MaxDamage``> i forgot the command... :/
[10:28] <fdoving> MaxDamage``: mii-diag or mii-tool
[10:28] <MaxDamage``> thanks
[10:29] <MaxDamage``> eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
[10:29] <MaxDamage``> everything's okay then :)
[10:29] <MaxDamage``> thanks
[10:29] <maseeee> how do i get my WPA connection working on wirelses lan on kubuntu?
[10:30] <fdoving> maseeee: i recommend installing kwlan from the universe repository.
[10:30] <fdoving> !wpa | maseeee
[10:30] <ubotu> maseeee: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:30] <maseeee> well
[10:30] <maseeee> i cant get to the internet on kubuntu
[10:30] <maseeee> so how am i suppose to get them
[10:31] <morghanphoenix> how do you locate a specific package name, say the ssh server that I need to let my wife's windows computer connect to mine using winscp?
[10:31] <phobiac> maseeee: No way for you to get a wired connection for long enough to get the package?
[10:32] <maseeee> phobiac: well i need something to get it working with WPA, if i need to download that to fix my WPA, how am i going to do that ? o_O
[10:32] <maseeee> oh i have something called wpa_supllicant installed
[10:32] <maseeee> maybe that'll help.
[10:33] <fdoving> maseeee: that'll do. see the wpasupplicant section at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[10:33] <maseeee> ok thanks man
[10:33] <slow-motion> n8
[10:33] <maseeee> ill try it out
[10:34] <MaxDamage``> !ati
[10:34] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:34] <MaxDamage``> thanks :p
[10:35] <tony__> sorry for asking this stupid question . but how can i modify PHP config file ????
[10:35] <MaxDamage``> open with kate
[10:35] <MaxDamage``> and do as you please :p
[10:35] <maseeee> neg
[10:35] <maseeee> open it with PICO
[10:36] <todd_> Can anyone suggest a starting point so I can set up my laptop and desktop to perform like GoToMyPC?
[10:36] <tony__> thanks , but where is php config located ??
[10:36] <fdoving> tony__: web php or php-cli?
[10:37] <tony__> installed php5. and script that i running needs the php curl to be On.
[10:37] <fdoving> tony__: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[10:37] <tony__> thanks
[10:40] <todd_> Is anyone familiar with SSH and how to set it up?
[10:41] <MaxDamage``> im installing the binary drivers now...
[10:41] <MaxDamage``> im a little scared though
[10:41] <MaxDamage``> when i did that on 5.10
[10:41] <MaxDamage``> X didnt wanna start
[10:42] <fxr> are you using the 8.28.x ati drivers MaxDamage?
[10:42] <koli> hi all
[10:42] <koli> how can i change my login theme
[10:43] <MaxDamage``> well yeah
[10:43] <MaxDamage``> they came with the kubuntu installation
[10:44] <MaxDamage``> is there any problem? :/
[10:46] <fxr> no their fine.. work here..  anyhoo : )
[10:46] <koli> hellooo
[10:46] <koli> can anyone help me
[10:47] <Black> Hi
[10:49] <Black> Can anyone please explain to me why my PC restarts half of the time when I try to start Ubuntu or Kubuntu is this a known issue)
[10:50] <Black> Can anyone please explain to me why my PC restarts half of the time when I try to start Ubuntu or Kubuntu is this a known issue?*
[10:50] <fxr> koli i think ur looking for Kpersonalizer
[10:50] <koli> ok  fxr
[10:51] <koli> and then what fxr???
[10:51] <MaxDamage``> fxr, im installing the drivers...
[10:51] <Black> Im sure my problem can be fixed in the bios somewhere but I do not no which setting to change
[10:51] <MaxDamage``> and im kinda scared it wont run after that
[10:51] <MaxDamage``> what should I do if X doesnt start? :(
[10:52] <Black> anyone???
[10:52] <MaxDamage``> Black, I don't think it's a known issue
[10:53] <Black> ok.
[10:53] <fxr> koli if you restart kde, u should get a personalize wizard...
[10:53] <hatta> look through your logs and try to find out what it's doing when it reboots
[10:53] <hatta> more information = more help
[10:54] <fxr> MaxDamage you should be ok with the drivers.. u can restart in recovery mode...
[10:54] <Black> Yes ill do that
[10:54] <fxr> have you edited you xorg.cong yet...?
[10:54] <fxr> thats where my problems started..
[10:54] <Black> me??....
[10:54] <Black> no
[10:54] <MaxDamage``> yes i did
[10:55] <MaxDamage``> now im installing the debian packages
[10:55] <Black> I*m about to install it even happens with the live cd
[10:55] <MaxDamage``> and i think it's done
[10:55] <Black> so  im sure it|s a bios problem
[10:56] <Black> I\ll just try to run the installation
[10:56] <MaxDamage``> Black
[10:56] <MaxDamage``> describe exactly
[10:56] <MaxDamage``> what you are doing
[10:57] <MaxDamage``> btw, fxr, what should i do when i go to recovery mode?
[10:57] <MaxDamage``> restore the xorg.conf?
[10:58] <Black> i\ve allready installed ubuntu once, but I thought it was kind of strange that I kept getting the errors so I\m about to reinstall
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> reinstall at will )
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> :)
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> fxr, another question:
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> now see Modifying xorg.conf. Skip the "lrm-manager" and "depmod" commands.
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> how can I do that?
[10:58] <fxr> aye.. MaxDamage.. that bailed me out a few times..
[10:58] <MaxDamage``> just put a # infront of them?
[10:59] <fxr> aye..
[10:59] <MaxDamage``> yeah saved my skin 10 times now :D
[10:59] <MaxDamage``> kk
[10:59] <Black> but It\t happens with the live cd too so It\s something in the bios
[10:59] <MaxDamage``> i don't believe the problem is that deep, Black
[10:59] <fxr> what how to u using.. and m not expert here.. m just going through my experiences of installing said driver..
[10:59] <MaxDamage``> maybe faulty hardware
[10:59] <Black> ok
[10:59] <Black> I\ll do a reinstall
[11:00] <MaxDamage``> okay
[11:00] <Black> It doesn\t happen when I try to boot win
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Black, do you have your BIOS boot sequence set to cdrom for the live cd to boot first ?
[11:01] <MaxDamage``> fxr, it doesnt find the lines in xorg.conf
[11:02] <fxr> let me see, what how to you using fella...?
[11:02] <fxr> linkage..
[11:02] <MaxDamage``> oh cancel that
[11:02] <MaxDamage``> i got it :)
[11:03] <sleepy343> !hidden
[11:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[11:03] <MaxDamage``> aticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor.
[11:04] <MaxDamage``> what the hell?
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> fxr, im rebooting
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> i just hope my system doesnt s#@t up
[11:07] <fxr> good luck fella
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> thanks :)
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> my heartbeat increased :D
[11:07] <MaxDamage``> rebooting :)
[11:11] <MaxDamage``> YES!
[11:11] <MaxDamage``> i did it!
[11:12] <maseeee> does kubuntu come with madwifi?
[11:12] <MaxDamage``> i didn't f#@k up the system
[11:12] <MaxDamage``> this calls for a celebration
[11:12] <BluesKaj> ^5 s
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> fxr: thanks dude! :)
[11:13] <BluesKaj> whoa bulgarian beer ...sounds poisonous :)
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> it is :D
[11:13] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> where are you from?
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Canada
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> heh
[11:13] <MaxDamage``> and how do you know of bulgarian beer? :p
[11:14] <fxr> hahah happy days sorted then.. my from derry in northern ireland..
[11:14] <BluesKaj> I don't ...it just sounds that way :)
[11:14] <fxr> bulgar beer?
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> oh :P
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> well this 2 liter bottle costs me .. about 1 eur
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> lol
[11:14] <BluesKaj> are u in bulgaria , MaxDamage ?
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> yes! :p
[11:14] <MaxDamage``> \m/
[11:15] <sleepy343> !repository
[11:15] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> direct rendering: Yes
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> YES, God d$@n it !
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> \m/
[11:16] <Alarm> how can i enable v4l . i need it for my winfast tv tuner. also how can i see my kernel version ?
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> i cna play UT 2004 now :p
[11:16] <MaxDamage``> can*
[11:16] <BluesKaj> fglrxinfo
[11:17] <BluesKaj> fgl_glxgears
[11:17] <MaxDamage``> 595 frames in 5.0 seconds = 119.000 FPS
[11:17] <MaxDamage``> is that bad?
[11:19] <miguelcr> hola !!!
[11:19] <miguelcr> IDENTIFY miguel
[11:19] <miguelcr> alguien habla espaol
[11:19] <DrNickRiviera> am using dapper and have the problem that by default it selects vesa as the graphics card and when i select the one that i actually use which it recognizes correctly (matrox g450) i get a message that it can't be safely tested
[11:20] <DrNickRiviera> why do i get that message?
[11:20] <fxr> MaxDamage i dont know, the info from glxgears is suppose to be pretty useless, but there is tweak info on them forums, to help 3d performance
[11:20] <DrNickRiviera> am a bit worried that if i just change it i might stop the output from working entirely
[11:21] <fxr> Alarm uname -r
[11:21] <MaxDamage``> nah im happy with the current performance
[11:22] <MaxDamage``> unreal tournament was lagging at 400x300
[11:22] <MaxDamage``> at low graphics
[11:22] <MaxDamage``> now i cant get it to lag on high graphics!
[11:22] <flavio> how do i install kdenetworkmanager
[11:23] <m4ngos> !wpa
[11:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:23] <Alarm> how can i enable v4l  ? in other distros i could find that under device drivers --> multimedia devices --> enable video for linux . how can this be done in kubuntu ?
[11:24] <fxr> sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[11:24] <fxr> @flavio
[11:25] <MaxDamage``> uh, vegastrike c#@$ped me up... lol
[11:25] <m4ngos> fxr
[11:25] <m4ngos> it says..
[11:25] <m4ngos> nothing found
[11:26] <MaxDamage``> great help dude, thanks :)
[11:26] <fxr> you might have enable one of the repositories... m4ngos
[11:27] <m4ngos> how do i do that
[11:31] <MaxDamage``> fxr, it doesnt recodnise my opengl :/
[11:31] <MaxDamage``> GL_VENDOR     : (null)
[11:31] <MaxDamage``> and all the others
[11:31] <fxr> m4ngos its on here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[11:31] <MaxDamage``> what was that 3d tester again?
[11:32] <fxr> glxxinfo
[11:32] <fxr> glxinfo
[11:32] <MaxDamage``> thanks
[11:33] <BluesKaj> ati card MaxDamage``?
[11:33] <stefan> hey, hoffe mir kann mal kurz jemand helfen, ich will openoffice installieren, wie gehtn des wenn ich mehrere deb-dateien hab?
[11:33] <MaxDamage``> damn it :(
[11:33] <MaxDamage``> when i type glxgears
[11:33] <MaxDamage``> just a black screen comes up
[11:33] <BluesKaj> fgl_glxgears
[11:33] <BluesKaj> !de
[11:33] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> nothing too
[11:34] <BluesKaj> what's your graphics card ?
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> ATi Radeon 9200 SE
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> i played Uneral Tournament a second ago
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> i just had to re-login
[11:34] <MaxDamage``> and everything went down in flames
[11:35] <Alarm> what error could this be on my dmesg : [17222343.892000]  loop0: rw=0, want=1808, limit=1204 [17222343.892000]  attempt to access beyond end of device
[11:35] <fxr> your using the fglrx driver?
[11:35] <MaxDamage``> yes!
[11:35] <MaxDamage``> :/
[11:35] <MaxDamage``> in the control panel
[11:35] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage``, check this site : http://www.marteydodoo.com/2006/08/29/installing-binary-ati-drivers-on-ubuntu-edgy/
[11:36] <fxr> whats that fglrxinfo give..?
[11:36] <MaxDamage``> lemme pastebin it
[11:37] <bobleny> Hey, I installed dolphin and made it my default file manager, but in order to see my trash bin or use the "Actions" action menue, I have to set konqore back to being my default file manager. How do I fix it so I don't have this problem?
[11:37] <bobleny> !pastbin:lemme
[11:37] <MaxDamage``> BluesKaj: that's what im using i think
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin:lemme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <rich__> I just did a fresh install of edgy, my kernel is 2.6.17-10-generic, do i need to upgrade it?
[11:38] <bobleny> :(
[11:38] <fxr> BluesKay did you an who wrote that howto ever write the xgl part.. ??
[11:38] <MaxDamage``> fxr, sorry for the delay, pastebin is kinda slow :p
[11:38] <MaxDamage``> many ppl are using it
[11:38] <BluesKaj> MaxDamage``, i used those instructions and it installed DIR on my system
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> aha
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> well i dont know about taht
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> that*
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> but the driver i just installed worked perfect
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> i logged out for a sec
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> and it burned down
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> lol
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> it says in the ATI Control Panel
[11:39] <MaxDamage``> OpenGL Vendor, Version and Renderer - (null)
[11:40] <MaxDamage``> what now? :/
[11:40] <MaxDamage``> fxr, http://pastebin.com/858011
[11:40] <MaxDamage``> here's the glxinfo
[11:41] <Flosoft2> hey
[11:41] <Flosoft2> I have got a problem
[11:41] <MaxDamage``> who doesnt..
[11:41] <MaxDamage``> lol
[11:41] <Flosoft2> I am trying to install Kubuntu 6.10 on my new Core2Duo notebook
[11:41] <Flosoft2> so I downloaded the imag
[11:41] <Flosoft2> e
[11:41] <Black> Hi
[11:41] <Flosoft2> but there seems to be a problem with acpi
[11:42] <MaxDamage``> wait, adept updated something
[11:42] <Flosoft2> with 6.06 it says Loading ACPI modules ... and is stuck there
[11:42] <Black> again, installation went well
[11:42] <Black> and it works
[11:42] <excitatory> rich__: nope, as of edgy the generic kernel will detect if you need smp support or not.. so no kernel changes like in the past.. and your package manager of choice will keep it updated the same way the rest of the software on your system is kept up to date.
[11:42] <MaxDamage``> i'll reboot to see what's going on
[11:42] <MaxDamage``> fxr, you read the document :p
[11:42] <rich__> thanks
[11:44] <Flosoft2> how can I disable ACPI?
[11:45] <MaxDamage``> it fixed?!?! o.0
[11:45] <MaxDamage``> omfg.. linux rocks :D
[11:46] <TheGateKeeper> MaxDamage``, did you change your kernel?
[11:46] <Flosoft2> any idea?
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> no
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> adept updated it
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> lol
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> <333
[11:46] <MaxDamage``> <666 lol
[11:51] <fxr> max does fglrxinfo see you ATI now?
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> what is the name of the OS equivelant of LimeWire
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> Frostwire
[11:51] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, i don't want to use automatix and break the system...
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Admiral_Chicago, tell me ..why are you talking to yourself ?  :)
[11:55] <ScarFreewill> is there a way to limet my network card?
[11:55] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: because I'm lonely...not really. Turns out Frostwire comes in a .deb which is good.
[11:56] <bobleny> What is .deb?
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> !deb
[11:56] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[11:56] <Admiral_Chicago> or sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:57] <bobleny> oh
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Frostwire sucks ...the output doesn't pay any attn to the search input text ...one liable get anything in thelist , most of it not remotely connected to the search input
[11:58] <BluesKaj> anyway amule is much better
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> yea but so does nicotine. at least FW works
[12:01] <malik_> how do i setup kontact to operate my gmail account?
[12:03] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know how to make irssi *not* show joins and quits from a certain channel?
[12:04] <sleepy343> when I typed a wget key why does my konsole hang? doesn't return me to my prompt
[12:06] <Admiral_Chicago> sleepy343: what command are you using
[12:06] <BackPacker> malik_: Set it to use the host pop.gmail.com and put 995 in the Port box. On the Extras tab, select 'Use SSL for secure mail download'...
[12:07] <BackPacker> malik_: For sending, use smtp.gmail.com on port 587, and on the Security tab select 'TLS'
[12:07] <sleepy343> wget<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-0- | sudo apt-key add -
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> BackPacker: does that work for TB too?
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> sleepy343: hmm, maybe the #beryl channel can help trouble shoot
[12:08] <Admiral_Chicago> are you getting that instruction from the beryl wiki?
[12:08] <BackPacker> malik_: Those are the settings for the Gmail servers. They should work on any mail client that can use SSL and TLS
[12:08] <malik_> BackPacker: can i use these settings for yahoo too?
[12:08] <malik_> aaaaaah okie
[12:08] <BackPacker> malik_: I sincerely doubt it. Why would yahoo use Gmail's servers?  :-)
[12:08] <malik_> BackPacker: thanx alot mate
[12:08] <Xera> hoi again xD
[12:09] <Xera> my friend is getting this error when running anything with sudo
 jens@jens-desktop:~$ sudo passwd
 sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jan 13 22:54:08 2007
[12:09] <Xera> :S?
[12:09] <fignew> meh
[12:09] <BackPacker> malik_: There are programs you can install that can grab mail from Yahoo, but I don't know what they're called. Try entering 'Yahoo' into the Search box at http://freshmeat.net and/or Google
[12:09] <fignew> it's only the 12th
[12:09] <Xera> !timestamp
[12:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timestamp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <Xera> die!
[12:10] <Xera> :(
[12:10] <Xera> !sudo
[12:10] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:10] <fignew> what does the date command say?
[12:10] <Xera> sec
[12:11] <Xera> la 13.1.2007 01:10:05 +0200
[12:11] <malik_> yahoo and msn mail i can chk with kopete but only gmail wa a bit of pain
[12:12] <malik_> but thanx alot guyz
[12:12] <bobleny> !exit
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <Xera> !anything
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <bobleny> lol
[12:13] <soulrider> hi everyone :)
[12:13] <Xera> fignew, any ideas?
[12:13] <bobleny> !ubot-u-dumb-bot
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubot-u-dumb-bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <soulrider> !botsnack
[12:14] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:14] <xertra> ok guys i need some help installing something from source if someone could give me some help. I get an error when i go to make and i don't know what to do.
[12:14] <Xera> lol
[12:14] <soulrider> xertra: did you do ./configure first ?
[12:14] <xertra> yes
[12:14] <soulrider> and what is it that youre trying to compile ?
[12:14] <xertra> cinelerra
[12:15] <soulrider> youre sure there isnt a deb ?


[02:39] <len-dt> It looks like we are getting a new ISO roll just now.
[03:01] <len-dt> New ISOs for testing are available. Anyone who has some idea of why or how we get double removable device icons and how we can fix it :)
[03:03] <len-dt> The other known problem is that most photography and publishing apps are missing.
[03:04] <ailo> len-dt: Perhaps both Nautilus and Thinar working at the same time?
[03:04] <len-dt> However, it should install from boot or from live
[03:05] <len-dt> ailo, could be... but doesn't make sense. I will have to look closely at the ps x output...
[03:05] <len-dt> The last of our performance tweaks for now are in...
[07:51] <smartboyhw> \o len-dt ailo-w falktx
[07:52] <smartboyhw> Hmm strange I got a VERT FAST connection today:)
[08:49] <smartboyhw> Bug 1046206 help!
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Hello scott-work
[11:57] <smartboyhw> scott-work: I do wonder: What is the kernel team? Can I join?
[11:57] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw
[11:58] <scott-work> smartboyhw: the kernel team is to help with the maintenance of the lowlatency kernel
[11:58] <scott-work> while i admire your enthusiasm, joining teams is not a competitive activity, there are purposes for teams
[11:58] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[11:59] <smartboyhw> scott-work: I tested the new build (due to sudden boost in network speed)
[11:59] <scott-work> i am presuming that len's fix worked for the installation
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Yes it did
[11:59] <smartboyhw> BUt then...
[11:59] <smartboyhw> Bug 1046206
[12:02] <smartboyhw> scott-woork: That's a Xubuntu problem i THINK
[12:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work,
[12:02] <smartboyhw> So?
[12:06] <knome> "xubuntu problem"
[12:07] <knome> it's possibly a problem on how ubiquity launches xfce, not a xubuntu problem
[12:23] <smartboyhw> knome: OK then, THanks
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Hi ailo-w
[12:24] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: I do wanna ask: How to compile a quantal lowlatency kernel using Ubuntu kernel git?
[12:24] <knome> smartboyhw, that's what happends when you try to joing too many teams and follow too many things
[12:24] <knome> -d
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Not joining team, just a hobby:)
[12:26] <knome> smartboyhw, i was referring to the bug before.
[12:26] <smartboyhw> knome: Why? I tested the Ubuntu Studio build and got the bug
[12:26] <knome> smartboyhw, yes, but you referred to it as "xubuntu bug"
[12:27] <smartboyhw> I think it is
[12:27] <knome> how can it be a xubuntu bug if it appears in ubuntu studio?
[12:27] <smartboyhw> Er, I think if Ubuntu Studio can't launch it then Xubuntu can't also
[12:28] <knome> you should check xubuntu then
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Well OK
[12:33] <smartboyhw> knome: Sorry, my internet is slow again, so no testing
[12:33] <smartboyhw> For xubuntu
[12:54] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: There's a lot of docs here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/
[12:55] <ailo-w> Some of it outdated
[12:55] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: You might want to read some docs about git as well
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Well alright, I don't see it I think, or at least people recommend to use vanilla kernel I wanna use ubuntu kernel
[12:55] <smartboyhw> I've done some cloning in git, don't worry
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Also upload
[12:58] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: This is probably the lowlatency source for quantal git://kernel.ubuntu.com/apw/ubuntu-quantal-lowlatency.git
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Thanks ailo
[12:59] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: There's more to git than just cloning
[12:59] <smartboyhw> I know I did push and pulls to
[12:59] <smartboyhw> *too
[12:59] <smartboyhw> I did develop software you know:)
[13:01] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Then you must know everything ;)
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Sure, I do AI software LOL that's how I got my cloak
[13:15] <len-dt>  smartboyhw when you install did you do so from the boot screen?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Yes
[13:16] <len-dt> There is no background.
[13:16] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Yes
[13:16] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: HELP I don't know how to build it
[13:16] <len-dt> That is not really a bug, just kind of ugly
[13:16] <smartboyhw> fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> len-dt: It DOES have one before
[13:17] <len-dt> didn't in 11.10 or 12.04 as I recall
[13:18] <smartboyhw> At least I have a background...
[13:18] <len-dt> Well ya I have one too.... it's getting to be too long :P
[13:18] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:20] <len-dt> another way of saying I'm getting old...
[13:20] <smartboyhw> ailo-w: I don't really know how to build the kernel
[13:21] <smartboyhw> len-dt: OK, you're old, I'm young:)
[13:21] <len-dt> young whipper snapper
[13:22] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Thanks for the comment:(
[13:22] <len-dt> Is all in jest... I started playing in bands about your age
[13:23] <len-dt> in 1974 as a drummer
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Oh alright, I only know how to study:( Hong Kong is full of education pressure:(
[13:25] <len-dt> asia in general is like that. most of my work life I worked with asians. mostly from china, but also HK and Brunei (not shure of the spelling)
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Correct on the spelling
[13:25] <smartboyhw> len-dt: You don't understand Hong Kong students
[13:26] <len-dt> Vancouver has a lot of asian people
[13:26] <len-dt> In my sons school there were a number of asian students who where not only A students but had 100% score in _everything_
[13:27] <smartboyhw> len-dt: It is normally true
[13:27] <smartboyhw> But then I don't get 100%, only once per year, I get maybe like above 90%
[13:51] <holstein> smartboyhw: morning!
[13:51] <smartboyhw> morning holstein
[13:51] <smartboyhw> night actually
[13:52] <holstein> smartboyhw: someone might have already asked, but when you send out the "please test" emails, could you link the QA testing info?
[13:52] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:52] <smartboyhw> What info?
[13:52] <holstein> thats the only way it gets "officially" recorded and counts towards our releases
[13:52] <smartboyhw> holstein: What do you mean
[13:53] <holstein> smartboyhw: i mean, we need a certain amount of tests
[13:53] <holstein> test cases
[13:53] <holstein> officially recorded
[13:53] <holstein> and when you ask for testers, you could just link that as well.. then we can "get credit for it"
[13:53] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Try binary-lowlatency
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Doesn't work ailo-w
[13:54] <ailo-w> I usually do another build method
[13:54] <holstein> smartboyhw: i think these are the current ones, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/232/builds
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Yes there ARE testcases there already
[13:54] <holstein> though i always suggest checkin the IRC so they dont waste time on an old build that the test will be invalid
[13:55] <holstein> smartboyhw: correct.. so, if you can link those in the email
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Alright then holstein
[13:56] <holstein> i would probably link them http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[13:56] <smartboyhw> I did have the link there
[13:56] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Try this
[13:56] <ailo-w> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildOldLowlatency
[13:56] <ailo-w> Skip to the part where it says make oldconfig
[13:56] <ailo-w> Just be sure to copy a config file to the root directory first
[13:57] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:57] <ailo-w> You can find the current one at /boot/config-* (the one you want to use)
[13:57] <ailo-w> Time to go..
[14:00] <holstein> smartboyhw: i see what is confusing
[14:00] <smartboyhw> holstein: ?
[14:00] <holstein> smartboyhw: the iso should be downloaded from where you get linked from the QA site
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Well alright
[14:00] <holstein> its not just any iso.. its got to be the one in the QA report
[14:01] <smartboyhw> OK OK OK
[14:01] <holstein> no worries.. i appreciate the shout out!
[14:04] <holstein> smartboyhw: yeah, thats more clear i think
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Ok thanks
[14:04] <holstein> thanks for sending the add-on
[14:04] <holstein> otherwise, they might just download it and test it
[14:04] <holstein> which is fine.. but we dont get "credit"
[14:05] <holstein> if testing is happening, it might as well help us for the release
[14:05] <smartboyhw> OK holstein, I have a testing meeting to attend, ping you later
[14:06] <holstein> smartboyhw: enjoy!
[14:06] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Yo ailo, thanks, building the kernel now:)
[14:21] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Still here?
[14:21] <smartboyhw> holstein: Mind testing the ISO Images for Beta 1?
[14:21] <holstein> smartboyhw: i dont mind, but i wont have time today
[14:21] <holstein> smartboyhw: im out, and i wont be home til late
[14:22] <smartboyhw> holstein: Tmr is the deadline
[14:22] <holstein> smartboyhw: yup... i wont be around a machine i can do that on though unfortunately
[14:22] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:22] <smartboyhw> ailo: Can you help them?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> *then
[14:28] <ailo> smartboyhw: Installing on VirtualBox is not the best way to test images
[14:28] <smartboyhw> ailo: I do now, sadly I only have 1 computer
[14:28] <smartboyhw> I'm 14 don't forget
[14:29] <ailo> smartboyhw: The reason why I'm telling you is to inform you
[14:29] <smartboyhw> ailo: ?
[14:29] <ailo> smartboyhw: Being 14 means you are very touchy every time someone informs you of something
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Yes I am
[14:30] <holstein> yeah... its just a "heads up"
[14:30] <smartboyhw> But then what's the problem with virtualbox?
[14:30] <holstein> the higher-ups like to see tests on metal
[14:30] <smartboyhw> I know, I can't
[14:30] <holstein> the problem is, compatibility.... and real world application
[14:30] <holstein> i have emulated the 64bit in 32bit Vbox though
[14:30] <ailo> Some things might not be supported on VirtualBox. Also, you may be able to install on VB, but not on your machine
[14:30] <holstein> i have both test machines now
[14:31] <holstein> so i can do actual metal tests
[14:31] <smartboyhw> I can't stand testing maybe a fail image on my real notebook you know
[14:31] <holstein> i used to have a test hard drive
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Ah I suddenly think of something: Stupid me
[14:32] <smartboyhw> I can put it on a USB drive!
[14:32] <holstein> i used to actually just unplug the hard drive in my production box.. but you can install to USB and just be cautious of where grub goes
[14:33] <ailo> Happens sometimes. Easily fixed with grub-install
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Back from meeting
[14:37] <ailo> I'm downloading both images, but might not have time to install both
[14:38] <smartboyhw> ailo: Test the 32-bit:)
[15:05] <smartboyhw> scott-work, holstein, ailo: Why did the guys confused up that Ubuntu Studio is LTS->LTS?
[15:16] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i do not understand the question
[15:17] <smartboyhw> xnox said that Ubuntu Studio goes from LTS (12.04) to 14.04
[15:17] <smartboyhw> When I said no, then he said that he confused it with Mythbuntu
[15:17] <smartboyhw> !?
[15:20] <micahg> yeah, Mythbuntu is LTS only
[15:20] <smartboyhw> Not us right?
[15:34] <scott-work> smartboyhw: if we were LTS -> LTS only then you would not be testing 12.10, no?
[15:53] <len-dt> Missed. I wanted to ask smartboyhw if he had any scrollbars on the slide show. I haven't seen them for a long time now on my tests.
[16:13] <len-dt> scott-work, 32 bit ISO is tested. I would suggest the bugs mentioned in 64bit testing would apply to 32 bit ISO and vise-versa
[16:16] <knome> len-dt, they're talking about respins ;)
[16:16] <scott-work> heh, knome beat me to it
[16:16] <scott-work> :P
[16:17] <scott-work> len-dt: do you feel that another respin is required at this point for testing purposes?
[16:17] <len-dt> Thats ok. At least we know our bug is fixed and we can install
[16:17] <len-dt> Any respin would be to test things added upstream.
[16:18] <scott-work> okay, then i will tell skaet that we do not need a respin then
[16:20] <len-dt> The bugs I see are not "urgent" and will not get fixed for beta1 anyway.
[16:22] <len-dt> scott-work, with regard to the background bug while installing. I wonder if there is a way to "blank" the background before starting ubiquity rather than running a program make a background...
[16:37] <scott-work> len-dt: hmmmm, i do not know about hat at all
[16:38] <scott-work> s/hat/that
[16:38] <len-dt> I am not sure if there is a -live-meta or not
[16:38] <len-dt> or if this could be done from -live-settings
[16:39] <len-dt> I think blanking could be done from a command line
[16:41] <len-dt> scott-work, I haven't seen slide show scrollbars for a long time so I have marked it off as done on the blue prints.
[16:45] <len-dt> scott-work, Re: GUI for color stuff. Gnome-control-center does this for vanilla. I have tried adding that app, but the color part still doesn't work. Talking to a photographer who has use the gnome-color-manager, he says that when the colorimeter is plugged in the GUI shows up by itself.
[16:46] <len-dt> It looks like the gnome-control-center color capplet is just a container for the various gnome-color-manager functions.
[16:47] <len-dt> I think I will add the raw gnome-color-manager applets to the xfce settings manager with tool tips to help explain when their use would be appropriate
[16:49] <len-dt> I will do this by making US desktop files...
[16:51] <len-dt> If I had a colorimeter (few hundreds dollars to buy, $20 a day to rent) I could probably make a standalone container that would work with xfce-settings-manager
[18:00] <scott-work> len-dt: i think that is a good bet for the slide show work tast
[18:00] <scott-work> len-dt: i wish i could offer some constructive advise for the color/gnome-control stuff
[18:05] <knome> hmm
[18:05] <len-dt> knome, ? you have a comment?
[18:06] <knome> wondering about bug #719338
[18:06] <knome> i heard you fixed it
[18:07] <knome> or, disabled automounting
[18:07] <knome> any insight on that?
[18:07] <len-dt> xfce4.10 changes where thunar keeps it's config for auto mounting
[18:08] <len-dt> the ubiquity dev(s) have not had time to change the code to go with it.
[18:08] <knome> len-dt, so you simply changed the thunar setting?
[18:08] <len-dt> Yes
[18:08] <knome> and you suggest that xubuntu should do that as well?
[18:08] <len-dt> It works well for us as having auto stuff during recording is not a great idea
[18:09] <len-dt> There is still a bug open for ubiquity, but I don't know when it will be fixed.
[18:10] <len-dt> see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/ubuntu/2008-04-12-desktop-automount-pain.html
[18:11] <len-dt> knome, you could ask cfwatson on the eta of a ubiquity fix.
[18:11] <len-dt> (#ubuntu-release I think)
[18:12] <knome> xnox asked me how we should proceed with this
[18:12] <knome> i'll talk with him when he gets back
[18:12] <len-dt> Ya it was cjwatson I was talking to. but xnox did someof it too
[18:13] <len-dt> The user can enable this after the install if needed/wanted
[18:13] <knome> i'd like to have it enabled on desktop, but disabled on live
[18:13] <knome> i wonder if that's possible..
[18:15] <len-dt> knome, possible yes... dirty though.
[18:15] <knome> i'll ask xnox
[18:15] <knome> :)
[18:15] <knome> thanks
[18:15] <len-dt> no problem
[18:15] <len-dt> knome do you guys have double icons for removable devices too?
[18:15] <knome> yeah..
[18:16] <len-dt> Seems to be everywhere.
[18:16] <len-dt> I hear vanilla has it too
[18:17] <len-dt> I can get it to go away for a session, but logout/in brings it back :P
[18:18] <knome> heh
[18:19] <knome> if you can, xubuntu could do help with beta tests
[18:20] <len-dt> I will see if I can... I take it you are waiting for a fix/respin first though?
[18:22] <knome> that's done
[20:58] <len-dt> knome, does xubuntu have a -live-settings and a -default-settings?
[20:59] <knome> nope
[20:59] <len-dt> That would be one way to have automount on one and not the other
[20:59] <knome> yeah
[20:59] <knome> it's possible that we'll disable it altogether
[21:00] <len-dt> It does seem to be a bug that just keeps coming back
[21:01] <len-dt> gotta run.
[21:04] <knome> see you
[21:17] <scott-work> knome: this isn't might to slight or marginalize you or xubuntu or the xubuntu team, and i hope you don't take it that way:
[21:18] <scott-work> knome: but i'm not a huge fan of thunar for a few reasons
[21:18] <scott-work> one being no tabs and the developer apparently saying there will never be tabs
[21:18] <scott-work> he may have a very good reason for this, but i think people want tabs tough
[21:18] <scott-work> though
[21:19] <knome> well, i don't want tabs, as it keeps the interface clean :)
[21:19] <knome> and yeah, no offense taken really
[21:19] <knome> if you want a filemanager with tabs, install one
[21:19] <scott-work> hehe, exactly :)
[21:19] <scott-work> and of course, we aren't bound to xfce apps either so it makes it a little more open for us, perhaps
[21:20] <scott-work> although i do agree with the cleaner interface though
[21:20] <knome> we aren't bound to them either, that's even written on our strategy doc
[21:20] <knome> (which got published btw)
[21:20] <scott-work> congratulations!
[21:20] <knome> but i don't see any reason to drop thunar atm
[21:20] <knome> you coming to UDS btw?
[21:21] <scott-work> i guess i might be unfairly comparing thunar to nautilus when nautilus gets a lot of love from ubuntu proper to make sure it works well
[21:21] <knome> thunar has been working quite well actualyl
[21:27] <scott-work> hehe, i'm one to complain because i'm running xubuntu on my laptop and my two video machines :P
[21:27] <scott-work> only my music box is running ubuntu studio
[21:29] <knome> ;)
[22:03] <TheMuso> For unity if thats what you mean.
[22:04] <TheMuso> whoops
[23:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Awake or?


[18:01]  * MarkDude is glad to be in NorCal again. Being a smoker AND being in smog, is less than optimal.
[18:02] <jyo> So if smog is smoke and fog, that combination would be... smosmog?
[18:08] <akk> If it's tobacco and smog it could be tobog
[18:08] <akk> so you could go tobogganing


[08:09] <luna_> Listening to this weeks episode now: http://ubuntupodcast.org/2019/07/11/s12e14-sega-rally-championship/


[00:23] <Bluefoxicy> tar xzf ale.tar.gz
[00:23] <Bluefoxicy> cd ale
[00:23] <Bluefoxicy> make beer
[04:05] <xnox> recompression finished.
[04:06] <xnox> one data result got lost in hdfs
[04:06] <xnox> results here: http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/hadoopresults/
[04:06] <xnox> will analyse later
[12:25] <pcarrier> he
[12:26] <pcarrier> it might be obvious, but I'm new to launchpad. I'd like to try to add my patch on top of precise's php5, and I cannot find the precise maintenance branch for a package
[12:27] <pcarrier> not sure if there's a generic way to do that at all actually, but I hop so
[12:27] <pcarrier> it happens to be for php5 ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/php5 ), but that's a one-off
[12:28] <pcarrier> does somebody know where I can find such bzr branch (or git repo, or whatever is used?)
[12:28] <pcarrier> I'm more interested in how to find it, rather than being given the URI
[12:44] <arand> pcarrier: It tends to be lp:ubuntu/packagename for the development branch (currently quantal) and lp:ubuntu/distroseries/packagename for stable Ubuntu versions, though if there have been updates or security fixes there will be lp:ubuntu/distroseries-security/packagename branches which may be the latest.
[12:51] <pcarrier> arand++ thanks a lot
[12:51] <pcarrier> I need to note that down somewhere :)
[12:52] <pcarrier> oh, the classical debian mess. this package uses quilt.
[12:53] <arand> php5 has most of them, you can look at it from https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5
[12:53] <arand> Um, isn't 3.0 (quilt) the standard format in Ubuntu as well?
[12:57]  * pcarrier has an issue with the mix of upstream git, distro bzr storing packaging quilt
[12:58]  * pcarrier dreams of a world where everything is just git, and everybody just uses branches and tags
[12:59] <pcarrier> you end up using bzr branch, git format-patch, quilt import, quilt refresh, dch -l, just to try out a simple change to a package
[13:50] <melodie_> hi
[16:01] <JoseeAntonioR> /mode #ubuntu-ops +b *!*@@ubuntu/member/jbicha$##fix_your_connection if you want to copy-paste
[16:01] <JoseeAntonioR> oops
[16:02] <JoseeAntonioR> wrong channel, guys, ignore that please
[16:19] <mneptok> err
[16:21] <JoseeAntonioR> mneptok: I think it should be a forwardban, to make sure once the connection prob is solved
[16:35] <mneptok> JoseeAntonioR: unable to set one. hence my "err"
[16:35] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[16:36] <mneptok> ah, and now i know why
[18:39] <Debolaz> http://ihaveapc.com/2011/05/how-to-fix-problem-with-mergelist-varlibaptlists-error-in-ubuntu-11-04/ <- Stuff like this really shouldn't be an issue imho, is there any particular reason why it's not dealt with automatically by the system?
[18:44] <infinity> Debolaz: Errors like that only happen if your apt lists are replaced by junk (can sometimes happen behind a captive portal, for instance).  We have open bugs about it, and a variety of proposed solutions, if I recall.
[18:45] <Debolaz> infinity: It just happened to me and I'm not behind a captive portal.
[18:45] <infinity> Debolaz: What was the exact error?  And did you save the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists before blowing it away?
[18:45] <infinity> Debolaz: Not all bugs that look "similar" are actually the same, so having real data instead of pointing at a third-party blog post is kinda helpful. :/
[18:47] <Debolaz> infinity: No, it wiped and I've just rebooted the system. The problem was some translation thing from the official ubuntu repositiory (I say official, because I have some nonofficial repositories as well, just to clarify that it wasnt those causing it). It was that exact error though, just a different file. Wiping and redownloading solved the problem.
[18:48] <infinity> Knowing the contents of the file would be somewhat helpful, that's all.
[18:48] <infinity> To perhaps determine HOW this happened.
[18:49] <infinity> I won't disagree that perhaps apt could deal more gracefully with file corruption in some cases, but we really shouldn't be landing corrupted/broken files on disk in the first place.
[18:49] <Debolaz> infinity: If redownloading solved the issue, it seems to me that the problem wasn't serverside. The solution also seems easy: Have a file with hashes of the various other files downloaded, if a hash doesn't match, try to redownload it once.
[18:49] <infinity> (And the suggestion that apt should "just delete it and try again" is obviously a non-starter, because the original could actually be broken at the source, causing you to just loop through trying to "fix" it infinitely)
[18:50] <Debolaz> infinity: You don't have to loop, just try once, and if it doesn't work, report the error. This fixes the problem and avoids any issues.
[18:50] <infinity> Debolaz: That doesn't actually fix it for 99% of the use-cases where this breaks. :)
[18:50] <Debolaz> infinity: In the case of captive portals, it doesn't fix it no. But it doesn't make things worse, and it solves it for the rest of us.
[18:53] <Debolaz> infinity: I agree that it's relatively rare that it happens without someone intentionally messing with the data transferred like a captive portal would. But the solution to dealing with the non-intentional cases is very simple and doesn't do any damage.
[18:53] <infinity> Debolaz: It doesn't help in the case of broken transparent proxies of any sort, which is generally how the content gets "corrupt".
[18:53] <infinity> Debolaz: I think forcing the large majority of people who see this error to re-transmit, on the off chance that they're the tiny minority that would benefit from it, is entirely the wrong answer.
[18:54] <infinity> (We do, however, need to do a better job with invalidating broken content in general, though, which isn't about forcing a re-download, but just not using it at all)
[18:55] <Debolaz> infinity: Ok, let me ask you this question: Do you understand that no matter if the cause is a captive portal, or just a bad network, leaving the system in a state where it cannot update unless the user goes in and does something exceedingly technical from a newbie point of view, is a very bad thing?
[18:56] <infinity> Debolaz: No need to be condescending.  I acknowledge that it's something we need to fix, and we're looking into it.  I disagree with the proposed solution, that's all.
[18:57] <Debolaz> It just seems you are being intentionally dense about this, and that frustrates me a bit.
[18:57] <infinity> And now you're being insulting, along with the condescension.  Thanks.
[18:58] <Debolaz> Followup question of curiosity then: If this happens, lets say due to a captive portal or something similar, which is the likely cause of this error, will the system eventually recover over time without user interaction?
[18:59] <infinity> Probably not and, yes, we could look at a stop-gap to sort that out.
[19:01] <infinity> There are lots of nasty bugs out there.  This is one we're looking at.  Being insulting and condescending about it assumes that this is the *only* important bug, and we're clearly irresponsible for not having dedicated our lives to fixing it.
[19:02] <Debolaz> Hmmm…. This wouldn't really be a permanent solution to the problem, but at least it provides a simpler one than what seems to currently be the case: Have a program that removes all the files from the apt cache that aren't required to make it run. Possibly also calls other commands to repair things, basically just tries to reset the update system as much as possible.
[19:02] <Debolaz> Does this seem like something worthwhile to implement if someone was to volunteer?
[19:03] <infinity> If one was to try to do an automated tidy thing, I'd just piggyback it on the cron job that apt already has, and test for the known error conditions, wipe, retry, and give up after one retry, assuming the world is broke and it'll fix itself tomorrow.
[19:04] <infinity> But yeah, a hideous hack, and has nothing to do with fixing the bug, just an attempt to deal with the symptoms.  I certainly have no issues with reviewing a proposed patch to do that sort of thing, mind you.
[19:05] <mdeslaur> Debolaz: out of curiosity, that version of ubuntu was that on?
[19:06] <Debolaz> The specific error I got today was the first time I've ever gotten that specific error in Ubuntu. But I have had similar problems with the update system before that has required manual intervention. A program that attempts to fix everything that can be fixed automatically would had been convenient to have, since almost all of these errors does seem to be of the trivial kind to fix if you just know how.
[19:06] <Debolaz> mdeslaur: 12.04
[19:07] <mdeslaur> hrm, that was LP: #346386...and I thought it had been fixed already
[19:08] <mdeslaur> ah, yes, there's a new fix in #80 in that bug
[19:09] <mdeslaur> I've added an rls-q-incoming to that bug so foundations will take a look at mvo's proposed patch
[19:10] <mdeslaur> if it's the exact issue, mind you
[19:12] <Debolaz> infinity: I agree that it's not a solution in the same sense we were talking about above. Just a "less ugly" way to deal with symptoms, because I think it's going to be difficult to really deal with all the possible causes of these symptoms.
[19:29] <infinity> Debolaz: Well, no, we can't fix the root *cause*, as that's asking us to control teh internets, but we should be able to make sure corrupt data never hits disk at all.  The fact that it is hitting disk is the real bug here.
[20:35] <vitaly> Hello guys, does anyone know how does 12.04 LiveCD boot on Apple Macbooks? I noticed that same ISO dd-ed to the USB stick can boot both on PC and Mac. How is that possible? I haven't seen that in previous versions of LiveCD. Any ideas?
[20:39] <vitaly> ping anyone
[20:40] <vitalylook> Ii #ubuntu-iso chan alive?
[20:41] <penguin42> I don't know the way Ubuntu's boot setup does it; there's a scary post at http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/#entry-12037   on the way Fedora does it
[20:50] <vitalylook> Well, it looks really scary. some more details here: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html
[20:51] <vitalylook> has anyone played with isohybrid tool?


[08:13] <froud> in breezy network installation is supported.
[08:13] <froud> in sources.list does anyone know how this line will look
[08:13] <froud> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[09:24] <hunger> Computer is unusable again:-(
[09:24] <hunger> kded eats up all cpu-cycles and when I kill it my wallets are gone and my keybindings, too.
[11:14] <Mez> Riddell ping agin - just worked out that konv 0.18 needs a rebuild to make ti depend on libxi-dev
[11:15] <Riddell> ok I'll do that, thanks
[11:16] <Mez> (I built konv 0.18)
[11:17] <Mez> (sorry build-Depends
[11:17] <Mez> ;)
[11:17] <Mez> but I can do that once I've finished re-backporting if you want
[11:17] <Riddell> do what?
[11:17] <Mez> redo konv 0.18
[11:17] <Riddell> but you can't upload?
[11:18] <Mez> with the libxi-dev depends
[11:18] <Mez> I can forward to you as i normally do ;) as i did for the last version of konv I built (which is the one I'd be editing)
[11:19] <Riddell> any other changes?
[11:19] <Mez> I don't know yet
[11:19] <Mez> I was backporting it... and I forgot to change from my breezy to my hoary pbuild ;)
[11:19] <Mez> and stumbled across that error :D
[11:19] <Mez> so I'll see when I build
[12:24] <Mez> Riddell: want that konv update?
[12:25] <Riddell> Mez: what changes?
[12:26] <Mez> just the libxi-dev addition
[12:26] <Riddell> already done that th
[12:26] <Riddell> already done that thanks :)
[12:27] <Mez> k
[12:27] <Riddell> if you see any more of those pesky xi jobs, do give us a poke
[12:29] <Mez> k3b's already done :D :P
[01:34] <uniq> riddell: FYI, i'm fixing this now: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2005-July/001212.html
[01:35] <Riddell> uniq: cool
[01:35] <uniq> both for kubuntu.org and breezy, i'll upload and give you urls once they are ready.
[02:41] <Riddell> uniq: what's the status of kio-apt packages?
[02:54] <Riddell> froud-work: "gstreamer may replace amorok"  amarok will use gstreamer
[02:55] <froud-work> kk
[02:55] <Riddell> but the end user shouldn't notice
[02:59] <froud-work> Riddell: fixed in svn will be uploaded on tonights build
[03:00] <froud-work> Thanks ;-)
[03:00] <Riddell> froud-work: what's the difference between Kubuntu User Guide and Kynaptic User Manual?
[03:02] <Riddell> aaah
[03:02] <Riddell> I misread Kynaptic as Kubuntu for some reason, just me going blind
[03:02] <froud-work> Ah ha, ok
[03:02] <froud-work> though for a minute there was a bug in the build
[03:02] <froud-work> The faqguides are rough
[03:03] <froud-work> they contain much gnome stuff presently
[03:03] <froud-work> but ppl are working on that
[03:03] <froud-work> the faqguide is six books in one
[03:04] <froud-work> one xml instance
[03:04] <Riddell> gosh
[03:04] <froud-work> Ubuntu (i386, AMD64, PPC) and Kubuntu (i386, AMD64, PPC)
[03:05] <froud-work> the delta between these books is large so it makes sense to just create profiles for each of those target books
[03:05] <Riddell> what sort of things are different?
[03:06] <froud-work> small changes
[03:06] <froud-work> somewhere between 6 and a dozen in all
[03:07] <froud-work> maybe a bit more
[03:07] <froud-work> and of course with kubuntu the name changes
[03:07] <froud-work> but essentially when I person sees the i386 book they will not see info relative to AMD or PPC
[03:08] <froud-work> and the other way around
[03:08] <Riddell> yep
[03:09] <froud-work> I am not following it much yet, the guys who wrote the variants of the ubuntuguide.org are doing it
[03:09] <froud-work> and in doing so, ensuring that the eveil stuff in ubuntuguide.org is made holy or uninstalled
[03:10] <froud-work> otherwise we can't release as official
[03:11] <tvo> Riddell: kio-locate is now in supermirror
[03:11] <Riddell> tvo: ooh, excellent
[03:11] <Riddell> tvo: can you add to your wiki page how to get it out of supermirror :)
[03:13] <tvo> Riddell: you mean, for others if they want to mirror it locally and possibly fork a new implementation?
[03:13] <tvo> or look at it whatever
[03:13] <Riddell> tvo: well I mean for people like me who want to look at it
[03:13] <Riddell> froud-work: who needs to do the reviewing in the Needs Review sections?
[03:13] <froud-work> Anyone can
[03:14] <tvo> Riddell: ok, that's what I meant :) going to investigate now
[03:14] <tvo> and find out how
[03:14] <froud-work> Riddell: its a way for us to know in what state a node is, ad development progresses you will see more status = complete
[03:18] <froud-work> Riddell: the status's are described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamWork?highlight=%28CategoryDocteam%29
[03:20] <Riddell> froud-work: so if it says "Awaiting Review" who's doing the reviews?
[03:22] <froud-work> Riddell: you or anyone, mostly the members of the docteam take a look at these points. We check each others work. But anone can do the review. From the developers perspective you shoul dbe looking for technical wrongs. Lik ethe amarok/gstreamer example
[03:23] <froud-work> does that make sense?
[03:23] <Riddell> yep, think so
[03:24] <froud-work> The report is just all the headings with a status attributed to them
[03:24] <froud-work> when the book is new it is full of help wanted
[03:24] <froud-work> as the book develops you will see writing and reviewing
[03:25] <froud-work>  and Awaiting Review then finally complete
[03:25] <Riddell> is the .deb package good enough to be uploaded so we can get it past NEW and into the daily CDs?  (gets the visibility up and people may help more)
[03:25] <froud-work> yes it is, but we were discussing the naming convention
[03:25] <froud-work> could we change it
[03:26] <Riddell> change from kubuntu-docs?
[03:26] <froud-work> we were thinking kubuntu-doc-5.10-1.1 kubuntu-doc-5.10-1.2 kubuntu-doc-5.10-1.3 etc
[03:26] <froud-work> this file never goes up to debian
[03:26] <froud-work> or any upstream for that matter
[03:26] <uniq> riddell: kio-apt ready except the favicon which i have no idea how to solve.
[03:27] <froud-work> uniq: ello
[03:27] <uniq> hi froud.
[03:28] <froud-work> Riddell: what do you think?
[03:28] <Riddell> froud-work: so changing the version number?
[03:29] <froud-work> at present it is kubuntu-docs-0.1ubuntu1
[03:29] <froud-work> that makes no sense
[03:29] <froud-work> uniq suggested perhaps we should do kubuntu-doc-5.10-0.1 then at release do kubuntu-doc-5.10-1.1
[03:30] <Riddell> sounds like a good idea
[03:30] <froud-work> ok so I will change it for tonights build
[03:30] <froud-work> you should be able to download it and put it up
[03:30] <froud-work> tomorrow
[03:31] <Riddell> I'm away tomorrow, but I'll mind and look at it on Sunday
[03:31] <froud-work> do you just need the deb?
[03:31] <froud-work> sure no rush
[03:31] <froud-work> how often do you want to upload it?
[03:32] <froud-work> I would say once a week should be enough
[03:32] <Riddell> sounds about right
[03:33] <froud-work> OK, just so you know it only builds if there are changes in the srcs
[03:33] <froud-work> so if no work was done then no build and no update
[03:33] <froud-work> generally there have been daily changes so updates have been done
[03:35] <uniq> riddell: i'll upload kio-apt, should i put it on REVU, or the regular place?
[03:35] <Riddell> froud-work: is it possible/easy to get funky things like kubuntu themed headers on the HTML?
[03:36] <Riddell> uniq: depends if you think it should be reviewed or just quietly uploaded hoping nobody notices :)
[03:36] <uniq> riddell: it is pretty good imho. only one linda error, which is on purpose.
[03:37] <froud-work> Riddell: it should be, though I am not totally sure how. KDE uses a custom layer on top of docbook dtd and the use the file extension .docbook
[03:37] <uniq> riddell: i'll put it on revu anyway, i like the feedback.
[03:37] <froud-work> Riddell: I think if you do use the extension, then you get the kde header for free
[03:37] <Riddell> uniq: got a URL for me to look over it quickly first
[03:37] <froud-work> Riddell: but I am not sure if you must also use the kde dtd
[03:38] <uniq> riddell: sure. it'll take some time, ISDN power.
[03:38] <froud-work> Riddell: but we are also not building using the KDE Documentation Project Stylesheets or meinproc
[03:39] <froud-work> so I guess it wont work
[03:39] <froud-work> Riddell: I will look into building a Kubuntu customization of the header so we can use kde look or our own
[03:40] <Riddell> froud-work: yeah, if the package contains HTML then surly it's a case of add thing pretty style when that HTML is generated
[03:40] <froud-work> yes, but we do transformations to HTML from the XML using XSL
[03:40] <froud-work> we use xsltproc
[03:41] <Riddell> so it's the job of xsltproc
[03:41] <Riddell> or the XSL stylesheet I guess
[03:41] <froud-work> so I will have to add a custom.header template to over-ride the default provided by docbook-xsl
[03:41] <froud-work> Riddell: in short, yes
[03:42] <Riddell> uniq: you should work on a remote server with NX, saves all that upload stuff
[03:44] <uniq> riddell: is NX useable with ISDN?
[03:44] <Riddell> tvo: have you had a look at Kat?  I'm wondering if it's worth bothering with kfind at all and just make Kat good and replace
[03:44] <Riddell> uniq: should be, want access to my server?
[03:45] <tvo> Riddell: not yet, maybe I'll do that later today
[03:46] <uniq> riddell: would be cool to test.
[03:46] <tvo> Riddell: but you're right, too much searching programs would be overkill, so I'd better take the best one and improve
[03:47] <Riddell> uniq: e-mail your name, phone number and declaration that you won't abuse it written in blood to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:48] <uniq> OK.
[03:49] <Riddell> tvo: what would you say to sending me weekly Friday status reports saying what you've done for the last week and plans for the next week?
[03:49] <uniq> riddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/kio-apt/ - source package
[03:51] <tvo> Riddell: that's ok for me
[03:51] <tvo> Riddell: what kind of document format do you prefer?
[03:54] <Riddell> tvo: just an e-mail I guess
[03:56] <tvo> Riddell: ok is fine, I'll start tonight, first one will contain what I've done until now (as opposed to only this week)
[03:59] <uniq> riddell: you have mail, short but i hope it will  do it :)
[04:00] <Riddell> uniq: excellent :)  preferred username?
[04:00] <uniq> 'frode'
[04:13] <Riddell> uniq: s/remote/kio-apt/ in src/apt.protocol
[04:14] <uniq> ok.
[04:14] <tvo> Riddell: updated the wiki ;)
[04:15] <uniq> riddell: damn, it was that easy, and i was too focused on the .desktop files..
[04:19] <Riddell> uniq: kubuntu logo might look better just on a white background
[04:20] <guinsel> is apt-indicator already available?
[04:20] <uniq> yes, i've been thinking about it. remove all teh blue.. and make the text blue/black instead.
[04:20] <uniq> that's one of the remaining things.
[04:21] <uniq> I'll look into it.
[04:22] <uniq> will have to change to color/placemnet of hte "info-text" too..
[04:22] <uniq> if the blue header is removed.
[04:26] <uniq> bbl, food.
[04:26] <uniq> riddell: new source package uploading.
[04:26] <uniq> with the favicon fix..
[06:59] <pef> hello
[07:02] <uniq> hi pef.
[07:05] <pef> is it a well formed bug report ? https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1292
[07:12] <uniq> is this hoary or breezy? what repositories do you have activated?
[07:13] <uniq> that's the two first questions i would ask.
[07:13] <pef> malone is only for breezy no ?
[07:14] <uniq> i think it's for all universe things.
[07:14] <uniq> and breezy..
[07:16] <pef> ok, I supposed not
[07:19] <pef> corrected :)
[07:19] <pef> hum
[07:19] <pef> now I can upload
[07:19] <pef> but I'm afraid to made a mistake
[07:27] <uniq> upload to where?
[07:28] <pef> uniq: to revu
[07:28] <Soneras> hello
[07:28] <Soneras> froud: you're working on kquickguide?
[07:28] <uniq> don't be afraid, revu is just a review tool, nothing can break seriously.
[07:29] <pef> Soneras: hi
[07:30] <pef> uniq: jridell has already upload my package, if I upload a new package, will it be added to the existent or it will be considered as new ?
[07:30] <uniq> pef: new i thnk.
[07:30] <uniq> *think.
[07:32] <pef> mmm so the old must be deleted no ?
[07:32] <uniq> you should talk to siretart in #ubuntu-motu
[07:32] <uniq> he'll delete teh old one uploaded by riddell.
[07:33] <pef> thanks ;)
[07:50] <froud> Riddell: if default folders are implimented I take it that Settings > User Account, Paths will include ability to change these paths?
[09:08] <froud> Soneras: kquickguide patch applied. Thanks
[09:09] <Soneras> no problem froud, I'll look around for missing manual links now
[09:09] <froud> cool
[09:13] <Soneras> froud, for kaffeine it says <!-- No Upstream Manual Available --><!--<para>For more information see the <ulink url="help:/kaffeine">Kaffeine manual</ulink>.</para>-->#
[09:13] <Soneras> <!-- No Upstream Manual Available --><!--<para>For more information see the <ulink url="help:/kaffeine">Kaffeine manual</ulink>.</para>-->
[09:13] <Soneras> no manual available, but there is
[09:14] <froud> could be
[09:14] <Soneras> atleast for me
[09:14] <froud> if there is then just remove the comment
[09:14] <Soneras> ok :)
[09:14] <froud> there where a couple of those
[09:21] <Soneras> riddell? a question; will there be bootsplash / grub menu artwork in breezy? so a) will it be in ubuntu and b) if there will be is there already artwork for kubuntu? I did some of those for SimplyMepis before, so maybe if that's still to be done I could help out a bit - no original artwork though I'd only alter whatever is there (for mepis there was a wallpaper I could work with - and didn't do the packaging for them. so, basically I'm jus
[10:32] <tvo> Riddell: mail sent, wiki updated
[10:37] <froud> updated http://www.lnix.net/~froud/
[10:50] <pef> bye !
[11:00] <froud> night
[11:10] <Soneras> bye
[11:17] <tvo> night


[07:07] <youngbin_> > <@linuxap:matrix.org> I just posted a simple template in our Community Discourse for our teams/councils/boards to follow when moving their information into the Ubuntu Discourse.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5ba178454888f3e0340dbb24e984c9775f2d1d1e>)
 "> <@linuxap:matrix.org> I just..." <- Thank you, youngbin! If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> aaronprisk[m]: nice clear topics on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/documentation/community/14 great work!
[20:37] <aaronprisk[m]> Thank you lotuspsychje! Shout out to arraybolt3 who's been helping me with the effort.


[14:31] <holmanb> phunyguy: quick check in, how did testing go?
[16:43] <phunyguy> holmanb: doing it now, sorry got tied up in some things yesterday.  Shifting to a new role at work.
[16:49] <phunyguy> getting the network configured manually in this VM so I can pull in git+your fork
[16:59] <holmanb> phunyguy: no rush :) (and congrats on the new role)
[18:48] <phunyguy> thanks, it's doing exactly this type of stuff.  devops type stuf
[18:48] <phunyguy> +f
[18:48] <phunyguy> coming from a Windows desktop engineering type role
[18:48] <phunyguy> so a big change
[19:45] <phunyguy> holmanb: there, got this to install the "gentoo" way using an ebuild and your branch directly, so I can reliably test changes you make
[19:55] <phunyguy> I've also forked your repo (forkception) so I can also poke at this myself, while keeping up to date with your changes.
[20:45] <holmanb> phunyguy: nice good for you!
[20:46] <holmanb> phunyguy: sounds good
[21:27] <phunyguy> @holmanb: so, I've tested and tested again, and with your fork, I can't get the same behavior as before, where it half-configures the network.  It's back to "No available network renderers found."
[21:27] <phunyguy> let me dump the log
[21:29] <phunyguy> holmanb: https://dpaste.com/6HHZQ6LB4
[21:30] <phunyguy> https://dpaste.com/6HHZQ6LB4#line-443
[22:21] <holmanb> phunyguy: +1 I think there was a bug in the original patch, and I added a bunch of extra logs to give us better data to work with.
[22:21] <holmanb> just pushed that to your branch
[22:26] <phunyguy> sweet, let me sync up and pull


[17:00] <pleia2> holstein: all good for your user days session today?
[17:00] <pleia2> (it's an hour from now)
[17:39] <holstein> pleia2: YO
[17:39] <holstein> pleia2: im just pulling up all the info from your awesome, informative email!
[17:40] <pleia2> \o/


[03:26] <rahid> Hi, i getting a error in ubuntu 12.04 when i connect more then 5 USB Devices to system " parent hub has no tt"
[09:37] <elfy> good day - need to report a bug about mimeinfo.cache - what package would I need to do that for?
[09:45] <elfy> shared-mime-info perhaps?
[14:03] <dkessel> elfy: desktop-file-utils contains the tools updating that file
[14:09] <elfy> ta
[14:23] <erle-> can anyone reproduce this?
[14:23] <erle-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1382614
[14:23] <erle-> (watch the appended videos, only few seconds


[06:15] <valorie> oops, #kubuntu-offtopic for chat
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:07] <TomyWork> hi, I recently migrated fom 18.04 to 22.04 and I'm looking for the settings dialog where you could set up audio device priorities. is that gone?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> install pavucontrol if you don't already have it installed
[14:14] <TomyWork> that's installed by default and frankly it's a bit shit :)
[14:14] <TomyWork> the devices each take up way too much space
[14:15] <TomyWork> I maximized it on a 1080p device and I still have a scroll bar
[14:15] <TomyWork> correction: scroll barS, plural
[14:16] <TomyWork> ah, i figured out why linphone kept resetting its devices. it has its own device settings and was defaulting to the first device it ever saw, which was the wrong device ^^