[12:01] <toresbe> Jeeves_: it's #ubuntu, not #ubuntu-support.
[12:01] <LinuxJones> abelli_, probably because some people have been acting up while hiding behind behind tor
[12:01] <Jeeves_> toresbe: I know. I told him @ubuntu-support
[12:02] <\sh> gentlemen, ubuntu for a server == hard work to do
[12:04] <toresbe> aha
[12:04] <Jeeves_> Say, any-one here read my story @#ubuntu-love?
[12:04] <\sh> Jeeves_: tell the story
[12:05] <Jeeves_> \sh: Well, I've setup a mirror for Ubuntu
[12:05] <Jeeves_> Emailed tha data
[12:05] <Jeeves_> Got no reply
[12:05] <Jeeves_> Nor a mention in the mirrors list
[12:05] <abelli_> LinuxJones: hu right
[12:05] <Jeeves_> Emailed another address
[12:05] <Jeeves_> Got no reply
[12:05] <Jeeves_> Nor a mention in the mirrors list
[12:06] <Jeeves_> Wiki'ed myself on the mirror-list.
[12:06] <Jeeves_> And now I found out that I am removed from that list.
[12:07] <Jeeves_> I would like very much to mirror ubuntu fully. But if Ubuntu doesn't cooperate. Why would I even bother spending disk-space and bandwidth?
[12:07] <Jeeves_> So far, I've found no-one who could tell me where to wine about this
[12:07] <\sh> well..i think there r rules for that, u have to be a coc member or whatever
[12:07] <Jeeves_> coc-member?
[12:08] <\sh> yeah ubuntu member who signed to code of conduct
[12:08] <\sh> -to +the
[12:09] <Jeeves_> Well. That is not documented. AND still. If you want your distro to succeed. The least you can do is reply on the emails you recieve
[12:09] <\sh> Jeeves_: ubuntu is not different from other distros
[12:10] <\sh> i send a infra-monkey application to the gentoo-recruiters a couple of months ago
[12:10] <\sh> i never heard anything from them
[12:11] <Jeeves_> \sh: I'm not complaining about Gentoo. I'm complaining about Ubuntu. :)
[12:11] <\sh> I asked a couple of guys I know, who are responsible to mentor new devs or infra-monkeys for gentoo...and they tried to gather some infos about the status of the application...nothing
[12:11] <\sh> Jeeves_: what I want to tell you, do it, don't wait for anybody
[12:12] <\sh> if you want to establish a mirror, do it. :)
[12:12] <daniels> mvirkkil: one of them, yes
[12:12] <Jeeves_> \sh: I've done that. What's the use if ubuntu doesn't document that
[12:12] <Jeeves_> ?
[12:13] <\sh> Jeeves_: well, i hope something is chaning after udu
[12:13] <bob2> Jeeves_: er, can't you just edit the wiki?
[12:14] <Jeeves_> bob2: I'd like to know why I was removed
[12:14] <Jeeves_> Because the history stops at some moment
[12:15] <bob2> Jeeves_: did you email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>like the page told you to?
[12:15] <Jeeves_> bob2: Multiple times
[12:15] <\sh> write mark directly
[12:15] <bob2> abelli_: it was banned due to people abusing it
[12:16] <Jeeves_> Who's mark?
[12:16] <\sh> mark shuttleworth
[12:16] <abelli_> bob2: thank you
[12:16] <abelli_> again. :)
[12:16] <\sh> if nobody is answering, the boss has to answer ;)
[12:17] <Jeeves_> \sh: Yeah. Sure. :)
[12:17] <\sh> one more cigarette and then I have to go to bed..today I have to solve some issues with a couple of transport streams in our tv network
[12:17] <Jeeves_> But it isn't know who exactly is responsible for this mirror-shit?
[12:18] <bob2> please chill out, dude
[12:18] <bob2> getting abusive isn't going to resolve anything
[12:19] <\sh> Jeeves_: ask all those question during the next #ubuntu-meeting
[12:19] <\sh> bob2: talking to me? :)
[12:19] <bob2> no, Jeeves_
[12:19] <\sh> sry :)
[12:20] <Jeeves_> Who's getting abusive?
[12:20] <Jeeves_> Me? :)
[12:20] <Jeeves_> Well, 'shit' isn't exactly abusive where I come from. But I'll try to think about it. :)
[12:21] <bob2> it's certainly not polite
[12:22] <Jeeves_> bob2: Like I said, it's just a word where I come from. But I'll try to think about it.
[12:22] <bob2> er, ok then
[12:24] <\sh> I'm hungry
[12:24] <Jeeves_> bob2: I come from Holland. That's the rotten country where we kill little babys and elderlys when we feel like it, and we are constantly doing drugs.
[12:24] <Jeeves_> (As far as FoxNews is concerned)
[12:24] <bob2> ...
[12:25] <\sh> Jeeves_: well..i thought holland is the west part of germany? ,-)
[12:25] <Amaranth> faux news?
[12:26] <Jeeves_> bob2: I wasn't suggesting that. I was only telling where I'm from. And really, you haven't heard the story from Fox? :)
[12:27] <\sh> bob2: r u joining udu?
[12:27] <Jeeves_> \sh: No, that was only temporarily. About 60 years ago.. :)
[12:27] <\sh> Jeeves_: hehe :)
[12:28] <bob2> \sh: I'll be there all week, yeah
[12:28] <Jeeves_> \sh: And, that was not  really appreciated. :)
[12:28] <bob2> (I work for canonical)
[12:29] <\sh> bob2: ah :) do me a favour pls, if u meet ogra, pls tell him, that he has to buy some boomerangs
[12:30] <bob2> hehe
[12:30] <\sh> ok guys...cu later today :)
[12:30] <Jeeves_> Later
[12:31] <|QuaD-> the next ubuntu conference should be held in NYC :)
[12:31] <bob2> hah, don't like the chances of it being in the us
[12:32] <|QuaD-> bob2: why?
[12:32] <|QuaD-> daniels: hehe sorry
[12:32] <bob2> |QuaD-: no cherry ripes (google)
[12:33] <Burgundavia_> daniels, <dig> I don't see a whole look of dev work going one</dig>
[12:42] <nullaresnata> "Amaranth faux news?" lololol
[01:25] <Keybuk> meh, something screwy with evo and eds in breezy right now
[01:25] <tseng> yeah
[01:25] <tseng> libcamel
[01:25] <Keybuk> not sure if we've picked up a sync-from-Debian by accident, or something
[01:33] <Keybuk> meh, elllllllllllllllmo
[01:33] <tseng> i heard he was off all week
[01:33] <tseng> sebbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[01:34] <Keybuk> he is
[01:34] <Keybuk> seb's off too
[01:34] <Keybuk> but elmo is within shouting distance
[01:34] <tseng> BUH
[01:34] <Keybuk> if he's up
[01:35] <Keybuk> Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:40:10 - Accepted evolution-data-server 1.2.2-1ubuntu1 (source)
[01:35] <Keybuk> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:50:24 - Accepted evolution-data-server1.2 1.2.2-2 (source)
[01:39] <Keybuk> yup!  the sync overwrote libebook1.2-3
[01:39] <Mithrandir> would anybody scream if I turned the "link every library know to man" feature off in pkg-config for breezy?
[01:39] <lifeless> is breezy open yet ?
[01:39] <Mithrandir> lifeless: for a week
[01:39] <Keybuk> eww
[01:39] <lifeless> for a week, or in a week ?
[01:40] <Keybuk> so Debian and us have different source names
[01:40] <Keybuk> messy
[01:40] <Amaranth> seb is off for a week?!?
[01:40] <Amaranth> damnit, i've been waiting to ask him a question
[01:40] <Keybuk> Amaranth: yeah, holidaying in Sydney
[01:40] <Mithrandir> lifeless: for
[01:40] <lifeless> 'holiday' ;)
[01:40] <lifeless> we should get baz 1.3.2 in now then ;)
[01:41] <Amaranth> there are also packages in breezy that depend on things that are only in sid
[01:42] <Amaranth> like gnome-art depending on a lot of ruby 1.9 things
[01:42] <Keybuk> yeah, in breezy be dragons
[01:46] <jbailey> I wonder if the hotel has laundry facilities.
[01:52] <mxpxpod> we should also get gnome-power and the new hal in too ;)
[01:53] <Mithrandir> mjg59: are you in the gnome room?
[01:53] <Mithrandir> if so, where the heck is it?
[01:56] <thom> mxpxpod: yes yes, working on it
[01:57] <mxpxpod> thom: suhweet!
[01:57] <Mithrandir> thom: any idea where everybody is?
[01:58] <thom> Mithrandir: daniel, pasc, mjg59 and i just finished breakfast in burgman
[01:58] <Mithrandir> ook
[01:59] <Mithrandir> bah, I'll just go back, I guess.
[02:04] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: you popped your head in
[02:05] <Keybuk> so you've been here
[02:05] <Keybuk> saw all the gnomepeople
[02:05] <Keybuk> and walked out again :)
[02:05] <Keybuk> from Manning Clark, follow the "LCA miniconf" chalk across campus to the other building
[02:05] <lifeless> a
[02:05] <lifeless> very  unformtable in fact
[02:06] <lifeless> garh
[02:06] <lifeless> wireless cuky leads to wrong channels
[02:08] <mjg59> Keybuk: Leaving which direction?
[02:09] <Keybuk> mjg59: across the court, and towards the trees
[02:09] <Keybuk> opposite direction to city
[02:15] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: bah.  Silly me.
[02:15] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: there's a sign saying "Cluster miniconf" there though.
[02:16] <Keybuk> yes
[02:16] <Keybuk> it's to keep out the KDE people :)
[02:17] <mdz_> Kamion: terraform and the hypothetical casper-installer want similar things from d-i
[02:18] <Mithrandir> oh joy, uploading pictures over this link _sucks_.
[02:23] <mxpxpod> if I compile my own kernel from a kernel at kernel.org and apply the inotify 0.22 patch to it (2.6.12-rc2), will it work with the stuff in hoary?
[02:24] <mxpxpod> such as gamin
[02:50] <Kamion> mdz-lca: sounded quite different to me; could you elaborate?
[02:51] <Kamion> auto-raid-installation would do most of terraform, I think
[02:52] <Kamion> mdz-lca: please merge<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:53] <Kamion> mdz-lca: terraform reminded me more of the hypothetical CD-editing script (and your trivial implementation thereof)
[03:02] <daniels> Keybuk: getopt isn't good enough, huh?
[03:03] <Keybuk> well, no
[03:08] <mkedwards> I don't suppose the CD image construction scripts have been packaged.  (It now looks like I'm going to have to roll an amd64 install CD with 2.6.11.x + working aacraid.)
[03:12] <jsgotangco> good morning!!!!
[04:44] <srbaker> uh.
[04:44] <srbaker> is libpq4 in sid significantly different from libpq3 in hoary?
[04:44] <srbaker> i'm looking, and it looks like libpq4 is for pgsql 7.4?
[05:50] <fabbione> morning
[05:50] <ogra> hey fabbionne
[05:50] <ogra> whoops fabbione
[05:50] <ogra> indeed
[05:50] <ogra> greetings from sydney :-D
[05:51] <Mithrandir> hi ogra
[05:51] <ogra> Mithrandir, are you at lca ?
[05:51] <ogra> or just awake early ?
[05:51] <crimsun> how's the sea, ogra? :)
[05:51] <ogra> wasnt swimming yet
[05:52] <ogra> doko, mvo and amu gone surfing today
[05:52] <Mithrandir> ogra: yesw, LCA
[05:52] <ogra> dholbach, seb128, pitti and me made aarbor tour
[05:52] <ogra> aarbor/a harbor
[05:53] <pitti> Hi guys
[05:53] <ogra> the wifi in this hostel feels like surfing with a mobile phone
[05:53] <pitti> this is pitti speaking from Down Under
[05:53] <ogra> hey pitti
[05:53] <infinity> ittid?
[05:53] <Mithrandir> ogra: heh.
[05:54] <pitti> ogra: I finally managed to get WEP working with linux-wlan-ng :-)
[05:54] <ogra> hopefully it'll be better in the hotel next week
[05:54] <Mithrandir> ogra: if it makes you happy, the network here is slow too, at least when I'm running SSH from home.
[05:54] <infinity> ogra : All internet access in this country is like surfing with a mobile phone.  Cope. :)
[05:55] <ogra> Mithrandir, just reading my mail on the server with my good old elm via ssh :)
[05:55] <ogra> infinity, so how do you upload your packages then, thats horrible
[05:55] <Mithrandir> infinity: apart from the non-bandwidth, the country is pretty nice, though
[05:55] <infinity> ogra : I go get a coffee while it uploads.
[05:56] <ogra> heh
[05:56] <ajmitch_> hi ogra :)
[05:56] <infinity> Mithrandir : Yeah, it's kinda like a less-cold-Canada, so I'm pretty at home here.  The only two downsides are the lack of bandwidth, and high prices of tech gear.
[05:56] <ogra> hey ajmitch
[05:56] <ogra> :)
[05:56] <ajmitch_> ogra: it'll be an improvement for me!
[05:56] <ogra> ajmitch, i LOVE your part of the world ...
[05:56] <Mithrandir> infinity: no idea about the tech gear, but the country seems mostly cheap so far.
[05:58] <jdub> yo ogra
[05:58] <ogra> YAY jdub !!!
[05:58] <jdub> ogra: you're out here already?
[05:58] <ogra> it sooo wonderful here
[05:58] <ogra> yep
[05:58] <infinity> Mithrandir : Computer hardware is about 2 months behind and twice as expensive as I'd expect to buy it in North America.  S'why I bought my girlfriend's new computer in the US while we were there for CHristmas.
[05:58] <ajmitch_> hey jdub
[05:58] <ogra> in kings cross
[05:58] <ajmitch_> jdub: congrats on the wedding
[05:58] <jdub> ogra: ha ha, cool :)
[05:58] <jdub> ajmitch_: thanks!
[05:59] <ogra> jdub, err potts point i mean
[05:59] <Mithrandir> infinity: heh (:
[05:59] <infinity> jdub : Indeed, congrats.  I hope that inviting thom didn't turn out to be a horrible mistake? :)
[05:59] <ogra> jdub, yeah, congrats, will we see pdub on the conference ?
[06:00] <jdub> ogra: yep
[06:00] <jdub> infinity: ha ha, no
[06:00] <jdub> infinity: he had special duties ;)

[06:00] <ogra> wow, great, looking forward to meet the woman that was crazy enough to marry you, jdub
[06:00] <jdub> ;-)
[06:01] <jsgotangco> wow
[06:01] <jsgotangco> ogra is early
[06:01] <jsgotangco> isn't kings cross that place where you can be mugged
[06:01] <ajmitch_> ogra: adjusting to the TZ change ok?
[06:01] <ogra> yep
[06:01] <infinity> jsgotangco : Or see the hippo races.
[06:02] <ogra> had a very hard day yersterday, but now its ok
[06:02] <jsgotangco> doh
[06:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, its directly behind the redlight destrict....
[06:03] <jsgotangco> hmmm im arriving on the 24th in the morning...
[06:03] <jsgotangco> i still wonder how i can get to the hotel..the train perhaps
[06:03] <ogra> jsgotangco, thats not the hotel for the conference....
[06:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, its a cheap backpackers hostel....(with flaky wlan :( )
[06:04] <ajmitch_> yeah, I'm going to have fun with transport getting to UDU
[06:04] <ajmitch_> since I arrive a day early
[06:04] <jsgotangco> i was told the taxi would cost $30 ughh
[06:04] <jsgotangco> but the shuttle would cost only $9
[06:05] <ajmitch_> time to walk home from work :)
[06:08] <jsgotangco> i do that all the time
[06:10] <jsgotangco> ok lunch
[06:16] <pitti> Hey seb128, dude! :-)
[06:16] <pitti> hey mdz
[06:16] <mdz-lca> morning
[06:16] <fabbione> hey guys
[06:16] <seb128> pitti, dude
[06:16] <pitti> seb128: I'll come down to you soon, I just don't have power downstairs
[06:16] <pitti> Hi fabbione
[06:16] <seb128> pitti, power sucks anyway
[06:16] <Mithrandir> mdz-lca: are you going to jdub's gnome3 crackcrackcrack talk?
[06:17] <seb128> hi fabbione
[06:17] <pitti> fabbione: come to us, nice city and loads of sun
[06:17] <Mithrandir> hi seb128
[06:17] <fabbione> pitti: ehehhe
[06:17] <seb128> pitti, the sun is hittijng my neck again
[06:17] <seb128> ups
[06:17] <fabbione> mdz-lca: we have problems with unionfs
[06:17] <seb128> hey Mithrandir mdz-lca
[06:17] <fabbione> mdz-lca: on ppc it manage to ICE gcc-3.X
[06:17] <fabbione> mdz-lca: we are still digging into the problem, but the code is dirty
[06:18] <pitti> okay, see you later
[06:18] <seb128> universe guys are saying hi too :p
[06:20] <ogra> hi mdz-lca btw ;)
[06:21] <mdz-lca> Mithrandir: is that right now?
[06:21] <Mithrandir> mdz-lca: in four minutes
[06:22] <seb128> wb pitti
[06:22] <mdz-lca> Mithrandir: if I have to choose between mentoring and gnome ubercrack, I think I'll stay here
[06:22] <mdz-lca> ogra: hi
[06:23] <Mithrandir> mdz-lca: ok
[06:26] <Kamion> mkedwards<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in arch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:26] <Kamion> mkedwards: they're pretty much entirely untested outside our systems, though
[06:27] <Kamion> mkedwards: (oh, and 'baz build-config configs/devel' after checking that out)
[06:31] <mdz-lca> fabbione: what's dirty in it?
[06:31] <fabbione> mdz-lca: the code isn't really portable..
[06:31] <fabbione> they wrote it with i386 only in mind
[06:32] <fabbione> i managed to fix for amd64/ia64
[06:32] <fabbione> at least now it builds.. no clue if it works
[06:32] <fabbione> but ppc is a showstopper atm
[06:34] <pitti> Hey ogra
[06:34] <ogra> hmm, doesnt work outside :(
[06:34] <ogra> hey pitti
[06:35] <ogra> pitti, tell dholbach coffee is ready :)
[06:35] <pitti> ogra: done
[06:35] <seb128> where should we assign bugs like "/etc/fstab has a floppy drive entry on a box without floppy drive" ?
[06:36] <seb128> pitti, why do you guys let me alone ?
[06:36] <ajmitch> wb ogra :)
[06:36] <pitti> seb128: I come down again now
[06:36] <ogra> heh
[06:36] <calc> so i would like to note that supporting dmraid might be useful for users moving over from windows who have those onboard crap raid chips ;)
[06:36] <calc> http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/readme
[06:36] <ogra> ajmitch, flaky wlan here...
[06:36] <calc> not sure if i should stick that in the wiki somewhere
[06:36] <ogra> YAY dholbach !!
[06:36] <dholbach> hai
[06:36] <seb128> calc, hi, have you fixed menu-xdg for debian ?
[06:36] <calc> seb128: erm i think i forgot i was sick starting that night for over a week
[06:36] <seb128> dholbach, why are you hidding guy ?
[06:37] <calc> seb128: i can fix it tomorrow or if you want to you can NMU it
[06:37] <seb128> calc, k, some people complained about it for Debian, so if you want to fix it ... :)
[06:37] <seb128> calc, nop, I'm on VAC atm, thanks :)
[06:37] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[06:37] <ajmitch> enjoying sydney?
[06:37] <calc> seb128: ok
[06:37] <dholbach> sydney rocks
[06:40] <ogra> YEAH, so hard
[06:42] <jsgotangco> arggh
[06:45] <storekro> How can I do an automatic install and end up with the same thing as happens when you type "server" from the install cd?  I've got automatic installs working, but it by default installs the desktop.
[06:47] <Kamion> storekro: server preseeds the following debconf questions:
[06:47] <Kamion> archive-copier  archive-copier/copy     boolean false
[06:47] <Kamion> base-config     base-config/package-selection   string
[06:47] <Kamion> base-config     base-config/install-language-support    boolean false
[06:47] <mdz-lca> fabbione: if we only have it on i386, that is enough to test it out
[06:49] <storekro> Kamion: thanks.
[06:49] <storekro> Seems like I would want to do:
[06:49] <storekro> base-config     base-config/package-selection   string  server
[06:49] <storekro> ?
[06:49] <storekro> as well as the other lines
[06:50] <storekro> or will just leaving it blank suffice?
[06:50] <Kamion> storekro: no
[06:50] <mkedwards> Kamion: thanks, tooling up now to try cdimage.
[06:50] <Kamion> storekro: you would not want to do that; there is no package called "server"
[06:50] <fabbione> hey Kamion
[06:50] <storekro> Kamion: nod
[06:50] <Kamion> fabbione: yo
[06:51] <fabbione> Kamion: can we kill DEVFS support?
[06:51] <Kamion> fabbione: no, initrd-tools requires it
[06:51] <Kamion> the installer doesn't, but last I checked the installed initrd still did
[06:51] <fabbione> mdz-lca: yes, we can test it, but if we are going to use it, we need to get it fixed
[06:51] <fabbione> Kamion: i was only concerned about the installer
[06:52] <fabbione> we can fix initrd-tools
[06:52] <Kamion> fabbione: ok, but I think it needs to be fixed first rather than the other way round :-)
[06:52] <Kamion> I thought jbailey was working on that
[06:52] <fabbione> Kamion: right now mkinitrd bombs for other reasons
[06:52] <fabbione> we are working on both
[06:52] <fabbione> devfs will be removed from the kernel in July 2005
[06:52] <fabbione> so it's better to remove it now than later
[06:53] <schweeb> removal of devfs will be a joyous event :)
[06:53] <fabbione> oh yeah
[06:53] <fabbione> Kamion: take into account that some nrew stuff that is going in the kernel, OOPSes with devfs enabled :)
[06:53] <schweeb> caused me many a problem over the years
[06:53] <fabbione> Kamion: so we really need to kill it :)
[06:54] <fabbione> but i am happy that the installer does not need it
[06:54] <fabbione> that's enough for me
[06:56] <Kamion> fabbione: sure
[06:56] <fabbione> interesting :)
[06:56] <fabbione> ccache over nfs works, but you lose the stats
[06:56] <Kamion> hmm
[06:56] <Kamion> none            /dev            devfs   defaults        0       0
[06:57] <Kamion> the installer still has that in /etc/fstab
[06:57] <Kamion> should be harmless though
[06:57] <fabbione> Kamion: don't worry, i am not going to kill you right now
[06:57] <fabbione> we have time to coordinate it
[06:57] <Kamion> I don't think it's actually used if udev is there
[06:57] <fabbione> Kamion: we will test it and kill it...
[06:57] <fabbione> no rush
[06:57] <fabbione> i just had to know if it is possible to kill it
[06:58] <Kamion> I'll have to fix more stuff if we ever manage to resurrect floppy installs
[06:58] <fabbione> ehehe
[06:58] <Kamion> because that has a separate init which I never fixed
[06:58] <fabbione> we need to discuss the feature removal schedule for the kernel
[06:59] <fabbione> since we might get trapped by one of them
[06:59] <fabbione> and the 4 scheduled right now, will be cleaned up by Sept. 2005
[06:59] <fabbione> so it would be better to remove them immediatly
[06:59] <fabbione> and see what happens
[07:09] <storekro> Kamion: Thanks, that worked perfectly!
[07:10] <storekro> Can I have multiple base-config/package-selection lines?
[07:10] <storekro> For picking a bunch of packages to install?
[07:19] <Kamion> storekro: no, but you can put any aptitude pattern in there
[07:19] <Kamion> storekro: see the aptitude manual - you end up with stuff like ~npackage1~npackage2~npackage3
[07:19] <Kamion> er, sorry
[07:19] <Kamion> (~npackage1|~npackage2|~npackage3)
[07:19] <Kamion> I think
[07:23] <storekro> Kamion: ok, I'll check it out.  thanks again.
[07:25] <Kamion> np
[08:03] <daniels> elmo: ping
[08:59] <elmo> daniels: ?
[09:00] <daniels> elmo: what sort of mono love do we have in new?
[09:04] <elmo> there's nothing in new
[09:04] <|QuaD-> no 1.1.x yet?
[09:05] <fabbione> hey elmo
[09:05] <daniels> ahr
[09:05] <fabbione> hi daniels
[09:06] <elmo> hi fabbione
[09:06] <fabbione> elmo: having fun? :)
[09:09] <elmo> fabbione: yah, mostly trying to stay awake, the jet lag sucks
[09:10] <fabbione> elmo: yeah .. i will get there soon
[09:10] <\sh> hehe...
[09:11] <fabbione> elmo: the rhcluster suite rocks :) we might as well use it on some boxes at the datacenter :)
[09:11] <fabbione> elmo: the cool part is the machine monitoring..
[09:12] <fabbione> elmo: that can take decisions according to defined policies.. and restart services/reboots machines/poweron/poweroff machines
[09:13] <fabbione> but the royal win is GFS :)
[09:13] <stuNNed> will ubuntu have better wireless support in the future, is that planned, for laptops?
[09:13] <Treenaks> stuNNed: yes.
[09:13] <Kamion> it's on the UDU discussion list IIRC
[09:14] <jdub> fabbione: having fun? :)
[09:14] <Treenaks> Kamion: it was on the Mataro discussion list as well..  ;)
[09:14] <Kamion> Treenaks: and it was discussed - just slipped
[09:14] <Treenaks> Kamion: true
[09:14] <stuNNed> Treenaks: ok thanks cuz as of current I'm having alot of problems with it, should I file a bug you think?
[09:14] <jdub> fabbione: can't wait 'til i get home to try :)
[09:14] <Kamion> can't always get everything done in one release
[09:14] <Treenaks> stuNNed: uh. what kind of problems?
[09:14] <fabbione> jdub: yes.. i am having fun and got already 4 patches upstream
[09:15] <jdub> fabbione: rad!
[09:15] <stuNNed> Treenaks: shall I ask in #ubuntu or?
[09:15] <Treenaks> stuNNed: wireless should just work.. switching betweed networks is the hard/annoying part
[09:15] <fabbione> jdub: the real issue is the userland that doesn't build with gcc-4
[09:15] <Treenaks> ouch
[09:15] <fabbione> ... yet :)
[09:15] <fabbione> but i am smashing it slowly
[09:15] <Treenaks> ooh.. m4d h4ck1ng
[09:16] <fabbione> https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-cluster/2005-April/msg00051.html <-
[09:16] <stuNNed> Treenaks: it remembers the key and ssid from previous connect, i.e. roaming isn't that great at all.
[09:16] <stuNNed> Treenaks: and if i select and open ap it still uses the old key
[09:16] <Treenaks> stuNNed: that's what I said.. switching networks is annoying
[09:16] <stuNNed> Treenaks: yes, ok, thanks
[09:16] <fabbione> jdub: after i wrote that patch i realized that Treenaks was rigth in Mataro'
[09:16] <stuNNed> Treenaks: very :)
[09:16] <fabbione> "you will get addicted to the kernel"
[09:17] <Treenaks> fabbione: ;)
[09:17] <jdub> fabbione: ha ha
[09:22] <weazle> morning
[09:23] <weazle> Treenaks: are those guys around sjoerd/pitti?
[09:23] <Treenaks> weazle: sjoerd might be.
[09:23] <weazle> sjoerd: !
[09:25] <sjoerd> weazle: ?
[09:54] <weazle> sjoerd:
[09:54] <weazle> ah
[10:01] <GheRivero> res
[10:12] <fabbione> infinity: ping?
[10:19] <infinity> fabbione : pong.
[10:20] <fabbione> infinity: #3442, mind to take a look? you did most of the last changes and since i don't fully understand them, perhaps it's better if you can manage them
[10:21] <fabbione> it's about MOM
[10:21] <infinity> Oh, yeah.  Reassing.
[10:21] <infinity> assign, even.
[10:22] <fabbione> infinity: ok thanks
[10:22] <Treenaks> reassing.. that sounds.. interesting
[10:22] <infinity> That's an old, closed bug, mind you. :)
[10:22] <infinity> I assume you're pointing me at that, in reference to a new MOM bug?
[10:22] <fabbione> infinity: yes. if a previous bug exists, a new one won't be opened
[10:24] <infinity> That seems.. Weird..   You didn't tell me that keithp repackaged it and completely changed (again!) the debconf/conffile/local config scemantics. :)
[10:48] <infinity> fabbione : In fact, on a second glance, I think keithp is smoking something.  I'll have to talk to him about his drug problem before I update this.
[10:50] <infinity> Oh, nevermind.  I just figured out his crack.  Sick, sick man.l
[10:51] <Treenaks> what happened?
[10:52] <infinity> Oh, he just wrote the most unintuitive conf.d interface ever, that's all.
[10:53] <infinity> It allows you to drop any old file in the conf.d... And only includes ones starting with ^[0-9] [0-9]
[10:53] <infinity> So you can have a bunch of inoperative files in your conf.d, and one or two that actually do something, named 10-foo, 20-bar, etc.
[10:53] <infinity> Erid.
[10:54] <infinity> Weird, too.
[10:56] <Treenaks> *shudder*
[10:57] <infinity> He also completely changed the debconf stuff, again.  Reverting to using an old debconf question that had at one point been removed.
[10:57] <infinity> We were upgrading that one to a new one, now we need to go the other way. :)
[10:58] <Treenaks> urgh
[11:13] <fabbione> infinity: dude.. have fun :)
[11:14] <babybat26> Hi every one! I've got a question.  One more question: I want to fill bug against xdm but it isn't in the list of 'Source Package Name'. Should I register it with DOAP Registry first?
[12:05] <ups> skyrider, i'm not sure on that. wait for someone else to answer
[12:06] <skyrider> ups: ok. Noone seems to know this... :(
[12:30] <fabbione> elmo: please sync kernel-package 8.132 from debian and you are clear to override
[12:48] <kent> hmm, now I only see 15k ~ submissions on hwdb.ubuntu.com.  Did i dream about seeing ~20k some day ago?
[12:55] <ogra> seb128, wont come downstairs ?
[12:56] <seb128> du darfst nicht deutsch sprechen
[12:56] <ogra> hehe
[12:56] <seb128> ups :p
[12:56] <ogra> seb128, look at that: www.tetris1d.org
[12:56] <ogra> you simply cant loose ;)
[12:57] <seb128> not sure, my laptop battery is half loaded atm
[12:57] <ogra> ah, ok
[12:57] <ogra> we have free plugs here....there is an adapter on my bed, grab it :)
[12:58] <seb128> mvo already did that
[12:58] <ogra> Treenaks, youre missing the most beautiful city on this earthball
[12:59] <pitti> Treenaks: it takes a while until you adapt to gravity pulling you upwards :-)
[12:59] <ogra> hehe
[12:59] <Treenaks> pitti: I don't doubt it.. but I wanted to be there too!
[12:59] <pitti> floor, even
[12:59] <Treenaks> pitti: but.. new laptop.. boss.. much work.. etc..
[12:59] <Treenaks> :(
[01:01] <seb128> pitti, was machs du ?
[01:01] <pitti> seb128: hackhackhack@postgresql
[01:01] <pitti> seb128: "machst"
[01:01] <pitti> :)
[01:01] <seb128> thanks :p
[01:01] <pitti> seb128: dude, are you learning German upstairs?
[01:01] <jbailey> fabbione, Kamion: We're not yet ready to kill devfs support for the initrd-tools.  I need about a month, I think.
[01:01] <Treenaks> uh.. #ubuntu-de[vel]  ?
[01:02] <seb128> no, but writting is always easier than speaking :p
[01:02] <ogra> seb128, in fact you are speaking it very well
[01:02] <seb128> hey jbailey
[01:02] <pitti> -> offtopic
[01:03] <ogra> pitti, jbailey is offtopic ? why ?
[01:03] <jbailey> Heya sb!
[01:03] <seb128> right
[01:03] <jbailey> (and everyone else) =)
[01:05] <pitti> daniels: here?
[01:22] <ajmitch> jordi: when is freeciv 2.0 going into sid rather than experimental? :)
[01:23] <jordi> ajmitch: in a few days I guess.
[01:23] <ajmitch> ok
[01:23] <ajmitch> just getting request for it in breezy
[01:23] <jordi> I'd like to have a few tilesets to upload to unstable as well.
[01:23] <seb128> duuuude
[01:23] <jordi> ajmitch: can't you use the exp version?
[01:23] <ajmitch> though it can probably go in as-is
[01:23] <jordi> seb128: DUDE
[01:23] <seb128> :)
[01:23] <ajmitch> sure we can use the exp version
[01:23] <jordi> I uploaded libxklavier
[01:24] <seb128> good guy
[01:24] <jordi> seb128: DUDE, can I add gnome-python2 to svn and upload?
[01:24] <seb128> sure
[01:24] <jordi> k
[01:24] <seb128> which one ? 2.6 ?
[01:24] <fabbione> jbailey: we need to kill it a bit before that
[01:24] <jordi> hmm, isn't there a 2.10?
[01:24] <seb128> yep, there is
[01:24] <fabbione> jbailey: in a month devfs won't be upstream anymore
[01:24] <ogra> jordi, what does it break ?
[01:24] <seb128> 2.6 is pygtk in fact
[01:27] <jbailey> fabbione: Eh?  Just posted to lkml?
[01:27] <ajmitch> hi  jeff :)
[01:27] <jordi> seb128: so should I upload 2.6 too?
[01:27] <fabbione> jbailey: no. Documentation/feature-removal.txt
[01:27] <jordi> seb128: I thought you were on vacation or something
[01:27] <fabbione> jbailey: it has been there for a long while :)
[01:28] <seb128> 2.6 is probably uptodate
[01:28] <jordi> seb128: you have abandoned us.
[01:28] <fabbione> jbailey: May 3005 : bye bye devfs
[01:28] <seb128> jordi, I am, I said it on #gnome-debian saturday
[01:28] <jordi> seb128: ok, so I need to upload 2.10 to exp and use the opportunity to rename the source package?
[01:28] <jordi> seb128: what are you doing in #ubuntu-devle then?
[01:28] <seb128> jordi, I'm on VAC with pitti and the other guys for the week
[01:28] <jordi> :)
[01:28] <jordi> nod
[01:28] <seb128> jordi, pitti forced me
[01:28] <seb128> :p
[01:28] <jordi> pitti: dude
[01:28] <seb128> right
[01:28] <jordi> seb128: great. Have a nice time.
[01:29] <jbailey> fabbione: Bah.
[01:29] <jordi> Any other package of yours that I should upload?
[01:29] <seb128> jordi, don't forget than they splitted gnome-python upstream
[01:29] <jordi> seb128: yeesh, damn. How?
[01:29] <seb128> you break stuff use gtkhtml
[01:29] <jbailey> fabbione: That's a bit tight for what I want.  Well... At least I know what I'm hacking on right after UDU then.
[01:29] <seb128> gnome-python is the desktop part
[01:29] <jordi> seb128: what needs to be done?
[01:29] <seb128> -extras is the other stuff
[01:29] <seb128> look on hoary
[01:29] <jordi> ok
[01:30] <seb128> package both stuff and fixed the packages to depend on -extras if required
[01:30] <jordi> ok, back to your vacation. :)
[01:30] <pitti> jordi: the amount of force I had to apply was about "hey seb128, what about a week of vac in Sydney?" :-)
[01:30] <jordi> are there many packages that need -extras?
[01:30] <jordi> pitti: no, you forced him into IRC!
[01:30] <seb128> no idea at all
[01:30] <fabbione> jbailey: ok, we need to be able to start uploading some crash kernels... first is to get mkinitrd to behave with the new ldd output, we can kill devfs at a later stage, but as soon as upstream removes it, we need to kill it too
[01:30] <jordi> seb128: ok. I'll wait for the bug reports. Heh heh.
[01:30] <seb128> cool
[01:31] <ogra> fabbione, see that you do all your uploading before UdU, i heard the bandwith sucks here everywhere
[01:31] <jordi> there's a shitload of pkgs depending on python-gtk2 now.
[01:31] <fabbione> ogra: i don't need to upload from UdU :)
[01:31] <seb128> that's python-gnome2, not pygtk
[01:31] <ogra> (it feels like surfing on a mobile)
[01:32] <fabbione> ogra: i just need to sign the .dsc and changes from there :)
[01:32] <ogra> fabbione, ah, but keep in mind that ssh sucks even more fom here
[01:33] <fabbione> ogra: well it's not a big deal.. there is no time for hacking sessions anyway
[01:33] <ogra> yep, sadly
[01:34] <ogra> it should have been two weeks, since the most expensive part is the filgt...
[01:34] <ogra> fabbione, did you see this insane schedule ?
[01:35] <fabbione> ogra: yes
[01:35] <ogra> i refuse to split my BOF in four parts....i wouldnt be able to attend any others
[01:35] <ogra> thats just insane
[01:41] <jordi> oh, pythong-gnome2
[01:42] <jordi> both needs updating I guess?
[01:43] <seb128> jordi, I think pygtk is uptodate
[01:43] <tseng> ogra: oh man yeah, i have some conflicts now
[01:43] <jordi> seb128: oh, ok.
[01:44] <theine> there's a bug in /var/lib/dpkg/info/fontconfig.config from fontconfig version 2.3.1-2ubuntu1, which doesn't allow the package to be properly configured
[01:44] <jbailey> fabbione: Yup, that's a task for today.
[01:45] <theine> it's easily fixed, the statement in line 31 just needs to be moved oustide the case construct
[01:45] <theine> sorry in advance if this is the wrong way of reporting it...
[01:47] <pitti> g'night
[01:50] <ogra> tseng, conflicts ?
[01:50] <ogra> tseng, you ean the BOF schadule ?
[01:50] <ogra> mean even
[01:50] <tseng> yes
[01:51] <tseng> there is universe at the same time as proactivesecurity
[01:51] <ajmitch> how annoying
[01:51] <jbailey> tseng: I'm hoping in a few cases that two rooms share a door so I can stand in the doorway. =)
[01:51] <tseng> hah.
[01:51] <ogra> tseng, yeah, it seems nobody is happy with the schadule
[01:52] <ajmitch> jbailey: i think they share a room
[01:52] <ogra> s/a/e
[01:52] <ajmitch> perhaps :)
[01:52] <tseng> ok then, no use arguing over it now
[01:52] <jbailey> ajmitch: That would work.  I'll just send a paper airplane over to the other groups occasionally with my comments. ;)
[01:52] <ajmitch> :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> I may rely on that too
[01:53] <jbailey> Sounds like we're trying a variant on "open space technologies" concepts.  Should be interesting to see.
[01:53] <jbailey> A church group I was in tried it like that, and it didn't work so well because people were permitted to flow freely between whenever - the problem is that two groups got everyone when a really interesting debate sprung up. =)
[01:53] <jbailey> (And we had a dozen groups for about 120 people)
[01:53] <kent> Will Uubuntu down Under (thats the schedule you people are talking about right?) be streamed live (or recorded and availibel for download later on?)
[01:55] <ogra> kent, we hope it will be recorede...but it depends...
[01:56] <ajmitch> slim possibilty of streaming, depending on internet connection at the hotel
[01:57] <ajmitch> but knowing australia, probably very slim
[01:57] <ogra> ajmitch, unlikely
[01:59] <kent> I would not mind downloading movies later with the talks..  It would be cool to have! :)
[02:05] <jbailey> fabbione: Is Documentation/feature-removal.txt new?  I don't see it in linux-source-2.6.10
[02:06] <fabbione> Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt
[02:07] <fabbione> but yes..
[02:07] <fabbione> that file is new
[02:08] <jbailey> Bah, so you can't blame me for not knowing this ;)
[02:08] <fabbione> i didn't blame you :)
[02:08] <fabbione> i was informing you
[02:09] <Mitario> lo everyone
[02:10] <Treenaks> hey Mitario
[02:11] <koke> Mitario: have to go now but tell me what do you think about http://www.amedias.org/~koke/patches/update-manager_run-synaptic-when-dist-upgrade-is-needed.diff
[02:12] <dholbach> ha... back again
[02:13] <seb128> hey daniel
[02:13] <Mitario> koke, ok i will :)
[02:13] <dholbach> hey seb! :-)
[02:14] <dholbach> seb128: long time no see! :-)
[02:14] <ogra> hehe
[02:15] <ogra> dholbach, is mvo still around ?
[02:16] <dholbach> ogra: lying in bed
[02:16] <ogra> ah, ok
[02:16] <seb128> dholbach, right, had a good night ? :p
[02:17] <dholbach> seb128: yeah, i feel like fixing 100 packages tonight, only problem is the bandwidth ;-)
[02:19] <seb128> ah ah
[02:19] <ajmitch> dholbach: post a cd with the sources on them ;)
[02:19] <seb128> is that a challenge ? :p
[02:19] <dholbach> haha... mr challenge is back
[02:26] <ogra> dholbach, fix them on your fathers vserver and upload from there ;)
[02:26] <jsgotangco> ogra hows sydney
[02:26] <ogra> the most beautiful city in the world....
[02:27] <ogra> i'd like to settle down here :)
[02:27] <jsgotangco> i will experience that in a few days
[02:27] <jsgotangco> good idea
[02:27] <ogra> yeah...you'll enjoy it...
[02:28] <ogra> if you can make it, stay a day or two extra to actually se more then the hotel
[02:28] <jsgotangco> im staying an extra day
[02:28] <jsgotangco> my plane leaves on may 2
[02:28] <jsgotangco> so i have may 1 free
[02:28] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> plus i arrive on the 24th at 7am
[02:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, great
[02:29] <jsgotangco> ogra, but i can't find an adapter plug here i gotta buy from there
[02:29] <jsgotangco> ive been searching all thru the shops here
[02:30] <abelli> ciao
[02:30] <Goshawk> abelli, ciao
[02:33] <abelli> Goshawk: ciao
[02:33] <jsgotangco> abelli, ciao
[02:37] <zul> hey
[02:58] <ogra> seb128, http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-04-18-sydney-geeks-find-internet-oliver-pitti-seb.jpg
[03:00] <seb128> bah
[03:01] <ogra> heh
[03:04] <ogra> wb dholbach
[03:05] <dholbach> pitti's usb-wlan thingie gets too hot :-/
[03:05] <dholbach> the box crashes then
[03:06] <ogra> dholbach, hmm
[03:06] <ogra> weird
[03:06] <ogra> the whole box ?
[03:20] <dholbac1> sleep tight everyone
[04:22] <jbailey> Anyone here got an amd64 running breezy?
[04:59] <Zomb> hi
[04:59] <Zomb> are i18n somehow stripped away in Ubuntu packages?
[04:59] <Zomb> missing translations in wget and mutt
[05:21] <jbailey> Zomb: Yup, install the appropriate language pack
[05:22] <cartman> jbailey: wednesday is the day for glibc upload? :)
[05:22] <jbailey> cartman: Probably, yeah.
[05:22] <cartman> jbailey: okies
[05:42] <\sh> guys...new from HP...
[05:42] <\sh> [17:38]  <\sh> hp wants to give a special ubuntu linux distro to their laptops..they don't want to force their customers to buy a windows xp version ;)
[05:42] <\sh> [17:38]  <\sh> article in german on heise: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58740
[05:45] <zul> now way!
[06:35] <zyga> \sh: wooooow
[07:02] <\sh> zyga: me too ;) support by canocical for two years? :)
[07:02] <lamont> jbailey: you want to grab 9263? (cdbs merge from debian)
[07:03] <fabbione> that would be about time :)
[07:20] <zyga> \sh: probably a good idea
[07:21] <zyga> \sh: hp feels safe this way
[07:22] <zyga> canonical gets support contacts
[07:22] <zyga> and WE can finally buy quality laptops without windows ;>
[07:29] <zyga> hmm
[07:29] <zyga> I'm getting constant problems with k3b
[07:39] <jbailey> lamont: Yup
[07:40] <jbailey> lamont: I'll do it this afternoon.  Need to arrange some tax stuff first.
[07:40] <zyga> how does cdrecord from debian differ from vanilla cdrecord?
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> how does ubuntu use grepmap to speed up hotplug ? can i use it on other distros ?
[08:58] <zyga> hey
[08:59] <zyga> there is some kind of bug with amd64-libs-dev
[08:59] <zyga> Preparing to replace linux-kernel-headers 2.5.999-test7-bk-17 (using .../linux-kernel-headers_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[08:59] <zyga> Unpacking replacement linux-kernel-headers ...
[08:59] <zyga> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-kernel-headers_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:59] <zyga>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/asm/kdebug.h', which is also in package amd64-libs-dev
[09:02] <stuNNed> Treenaks: so i shouldn't file a bug regarding wpasupplicant and wifi cuz we know there is a problem with wifi support in linux and roaming access?
[09:02] <stuNNed> ] /win 4
[09:02] <stuNNed> ooops sorry
[09:03] <Treenaks> stuNNed: !!??
[09:03] <Treenaks> stuNNed: just file it...
[09:03] <stuNNed> ok sheesh
[09:16] <orangehaw> fabbione: is there any change i could test the 2.6.12 rc to get my soundcard working? It's the  Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
[09:17] <orangehaw> i'm (k)ubuntu hoary 2.6.10-5-686-smp now
[09:23] <orangehaw> from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in rc1 I read: Added a new Intel High-Definition audio driver. The driver consists of two separate modules: the generic support module for HD codecs (snd-hda-codec), and the driver for Intel ICH6/7 chipset (snd-hda-intel) and it also says that snd-hda-intel was formerly called sn-azx in ALSA 1.0.8 and I tried that, but didn't work
[09:54] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I was just have a few questions about Breezy development: are you guys planning on using Fedora HAL patches for CUPS?  And have the quabbles with NetworkManager been resolved?
[09:57] <tortoise_> ficus what do the HAL patches for CUPS do?
[09:57] <ficusplanet> They will attempt to automatically find the driver for a printer when plugged in and set it up.  If the driver can't be automatically determined, it will give a list of possiblities.
[09:58] <tortoise_> Is it in FC4?
[09:58] <ficusplanet> In FC3, too.
[10:39] <kent> ficusplanet, That feature would be nice. I saw it on my brothers Fedora #3. I plugged in a HP-printer, and up came a dialog about it. I remember pressing OK or something, and after that it was ready to print.  Very nice.
[10:52] <Kosai> Hello.  Any Japanese speakers/writers around?  Hoary doesn't seem to ship with a font that can handle kana combining.
[10:56] <zyga> Kosai: hello I don't speak japanase (nor write)
[10:57] <zyga> Kosai: but I'm interested in having japanese enabled ubuntu
[10:58] <zyga> jbailey: ping
[10:58] <jbailey> zyga: pong
[10:59] <jbailey> zyga: I don't speak Japanese either ;)
[10:59] <zyga> jbailey: do you maintain libc or is my mind wrong again?
[10:59] <jbailey> zyga: Notwithstanding that we don't have maintainers in that sense, I'm one of the primary people who babysits it, yeah.
[11:00] <zyga> jbailey: great, there seems to be an issue around it but I might be adressing the wrong person - anyway let's go
[11:01] <jbailey> Sure, what's up?  I'm planning an upload tomorrow.
[11:01] <zyga> upgrading libc6 breaks
[11:01] <jbailey> What arch?
[11:01] <zyga> not libc but the upgrade itself
[11:01] <zyga> I'll flood you in person ok?
[11:01] <jbailey> Sure.  Paste away.
[11:02] <jbailey> Hmm, cupsys doesn't like me anymore.
[11:03] <zyga> that action was required by a dependance of libc6-dev IIRC
[11:03] <zyga> I'm trying to switch to breezy
[11:03] <jbailey> Right.  amd64-libs-dev is broken.  It should not touch things in /usr/include/asm
[11:04] <zyga> jbailey: should I file a bug report?
[11:04] <jbailey> Is amd64-libs-dev the one that can be installed on i386, or is it the one that gets installed on amd64 boxes?
[11:04] <zyga> (or is there any faster method?)
[11:04] <zyga> jbailey: that's the one on i386 box
[11:05] <jbailey> I don't play with amd64 at all right now, so if I can work with you, I can get it fixed pretty quick.
[11:05] <zyga> BTW: why is it there anyway?
[11:05] <zyga> jbailey: this is on i386
[11:05] <jbailey> Presumably you built something for amd64 at some point.
[11:05] <jbailey> No idea - it's not on my system.   Like what?
[11:06] <zyga> jbailey: w8
[11:06] <jbailey> I don't have a package called w8 on my box...
[11:06] <jbailey> Is it i386 only?  I checked on ppc.
[11:07] <zyga> jbailey: I dont have access to my amd64 box ATM
[11:08] <zyga> jbailey: hmm how can I force apt-get to remove that package without paying attention to missing deps?
[11:08] <zyga> jbailey: synaptics shows that after removing amd64-libs-dev I loose practically all my -dev packages
[11:08] <zyga> as well as some other (like tomboy for no good reason, probably due to other dependencies)
[11:09] <zyga> lsb goes out too
[11:09] <jbailey> zyga: dpkg --force-deps --remove
[11:09] <jbailey> lsb?  hmm
[11:10] <jbailey> Must be something weird.   Is this known already?
[11:11] <blueyed> Richte fontconfig ein (2.3.1-2ubuntu1) ...
[11:12] <blueyed> /var/lib/dpkg/info/fontconfig.config: line 31: syntax error near unexpected token `fontconfig/rendering_type'
[11:12] <blueyed> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von fontconfig (--configure):
[11:12] <blueyed>  Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurck
[11:12] <jbailey> I've seen that, I don't know if it's in bugzilla/malone yet.
[11:12] <blueyed> should I file this somewhere?
[11:12] <uniq> zyga: --force-depends
[11:13] <jbailey> Hmm, /dev/usb/lp0 is root, root.  That's probably not right.
[11:13] <zyga> uniq: thnx
[11:13] <uniq> jbailey: breezy?
[11:13] <jbailey> zyga: Pulled down the amd64-libs package, looking at it now.
[11:13] <jbailey> uniq: Yup.  I'm guessing something was lost in the udev merge.
[11:13] <zyga> jbailey: thanks
[11:13] <zyga> hmmm
[11:14] <zyga> infinite blob of this:
[11:14] <uniq> jbailey: I think it's hotplug.
[11:14] <zyga> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[11:14] <zyga> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[11:14] <zyga> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[11:14] <zyga>         LANGUAGE = "pl_PL.UTF-8",
[11:14] <zyga>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[11:14] <zyga>         LANG = "pl_PL.UTF-8"
[11:14] <zyga>     are supported and installed on your system.
[11:14] <zyga> (I think I should fix that someday :P)
[11:14] <zyga> (I didn't really check if it was infinite)
[11:15] <uniq> jbailey: as for my usb-storage-devices modprobing sd_mod did fix my problem.. I would guess hotplug fails to load the correct modules.. or something.. only my $0.2
[11:15] <zyga> I'll let it log somewhere and try anyway
[11:16] <zyga> okay done
[11:16] <jbailey> uniq: THat's not it in this case, since I see the device in udev, and the device reigstered in syslog.
[11:16] <jbailey> uniq: It's more a udev problem that the device is created with permissions that I think the cupsys daemon can't use.
[11:17] <uniq> jbailey: ahh.. ok.. so it's basically a config issue in udev then..
[11:17] <jbailey> In one of udev or cups.  Dunno for certain which yet.
[11:17] <jbailey> I usually blame udev.
[11:18] <uniq> I would do that too :)
[11:19] <jbailey> Oh interesting.  It looks like it's doing the bi-arch hack that we already do for sparc and ppc64.
[11:19] <jbailey> hmmhmmhmm
[11:19] <jbailey> Mithrandir: ping?
[11:19] <Mithrandir> hiya?
[11:19] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I need multiarch advice. =)
[11:19] <Mithrandir> oh, for amd64-libs?
[11:20] <jbailey> amd64-libs-dev is trying to overwrite a kernel header - by the looks of it, it generates a series of wrappers the same way I do now for biarch systems in l-k-h.
[11:20] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Do you think that having l-k-h provide those wrappers to amd64 and i386 is a good idea?
[11:20] <jbailey> I could use GCC tags to figure out whether the i386 or x86-64 headers should be called.
[11:20] <jbailey> Or does this just cause grief for the multiarch plans?
[11:21] <Mithrandir> jbailey: yeah, I guess the hack's in there to avoid messing with gcc, glibc and lkh.
[11:21] <Mithrandir> it shouldn't matter, multiarch will move the headers to /usr/include/$arch anyhow
[11:21] <Mithrandir> so as long as you don't stick anything there yet, it should be just fine
[11:21] <jbailey> So when we do multiarch, we just undo the hack for each case.
[11:21] <Mithrandir> makes sense
[11:24] <zyga> jbailey: removed - seems to update fine so far
[11:25] <mjg59> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58740
[11:25] <jbailey> zyga: Cool.  This package scares me.  It divert headers out of the way and generates wrappers and such for them.
[11:25] <zyga> jbailey: I've heard :>
[11:25] <zyga> jbailey: I'm a programmer, packaging scares me :>
[11:26] <Mithrandir> heh
[11:26] <\sh> zyga: hehe....:) debian packaging scared the hell out of me...now it's just like writing shelll scripts ;)
[11:26] <zyga> (should have said: I'm a C programmer ...)
[11:26] <zyga> actually I never packaged anything
[11:26] <zyga> probably simple once you do it for a while
[11:27] <zyga> btw does multiarch adress the issue of double arch setups?
[11:27] <zyga> dpkg: ostrzeenie - nie mona usun poprzedniego pliku `/etc/udev/permissions.d': Katalog nie jest pusty
[11:27] <zyga> Przygotowanie do zastpienia wireless-tools 27-1ubuntu1 (wykorzystujc .../wireless-tools_27-3ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[11:27] <zyga> Rozpakowanie pakietu zastpujcego wireless-tools ...
[11:27] <zyga> sorry for polish
[11:28] <zyga> Wystpiy bdy podczas przetwarzania:
[11:28] <zyga>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-3_all.deb
[11:28] <zyga> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:28] <zyga> Katalog nie jest pusty = directory is not empty
[11:28] <jbailey> The mono bug is known, but I can't help with that.
[11:28] <zyga> root@falcon:~ # ls /etc/udev/permissions.d/
[11:28] <zyga> udev.permissions
[11:28] <zyga> okay I'll dump mono for the moment
[11:29] <Mithrandir> zyga: just remove libdbus-cil and you should be fine
[11:29] <zyga> Mithrandir: ok
[11:32] <trulux> fabbione: thanks for your work on the LSM net. hooks bug
[11:34] <zyga> hmm
[11:34] <zyga> firefox just crashed for me ...
[11:37] <jbailey> ephy dies on my on a regular basis in breezy.  I plan to whine at sb when I see him in .au. =)
[11:37] <jcole> i'm on breezy. i can't log into gnome after my last upgrade... logged into xfce now... anything i don't know? also, loading any type of gnome app takes a really long time or doesn't even load... kde logs in just fine too
[11:37] <tseng> ephy isnt installable in breezy
[11:37] <tseng> er, thats evo sorry
[11:38] <tseng> time for nap.
[11:38] <zyga> I've swapped two lines in /var/lib/dpkg/info/fontconfig.conf
[11:38] <zyga> I don't know if it's correct but it configures fine now
[11:40] <zyga> okay, apart from some missing deps on a few things I'm running breezy now
[11:40] <zyga> thanks :-)
[11:43] <dilinger> infinity: hey, will you be at UDU?
[11:45] <zyga> UDU is in .au?
[11:45] <Robot101> that's why it's called ubuntu down under...
[11:45] <zyga> hehehe
[11:45] <zyga> :-)
[11:45] <zyga> any particular reason for it to be in .au/
[11:46] <Robot101> couple of the ubuntu guys live there, and it's just before LCA
[11:46] <zyga> (that's pretty far away unless you're an aussie)
[11:46] <zyga> LCA?
[11:46] <Robot101> linux.conf.au
[11:47] <zyga> ah :)
[11:50] <jcole> zyga: what lines did you swap to get rid of that error?
[11:50] <jcole> zyga: i've got the same
[11:51] <jcole> zyga: i'm guessing line 31 and 32 (esac)
[11:53] <jcole> zyga: i'm getting a "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/fonts/local.conf"


[03:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, ahoneybun: kscreenlocker migrated
[03:21] <ahoneybun> nice
[03:31] <ahoneybun> when you need some hope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoJtF03QQg
[06:48] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: have you tested kdenlive yet on artful?
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[09:06] <acheronuk> can anyone on artful please confirm?
[09:06] <acheronuk> bug #1714650
[13:21] <yofel> acheronuk: thanks for the pointer, ubuntu10 indeed works
[13:21] <yofel> and I figured did manage to reproduce it at least, for me it's not crashing in debootstrap, but when I install systemd on the host
[13:22] <yofel> which in the past was not a problem as we never installed resolvconf. If you try to do that on an older release in docker it fails the exact same way
[13:22] <yofel> now let me write that up in the bug..
[13:36] <acheronuk> some of the autotests don't look very happy with that systemd though. hope it gets through with a fix
 BBB @ 4pm?
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 @DarinMiller  ?
[14:59] <acheronuk> ok. no BBB then. another time
[15:00] <ahoneybun> nooooo
[15:00] <ahoneybun> I misses it
[15:00] <ahoneybun> *missed
[15:06] <blaze> isn't 4pm still ahead?
[15:09] <ahoneybun> damn they are going to mess up Kube
[15:09] <ahoneybun> I was hoping it would just be an email client
[15:09] <ahoneybun> nope throwing all that other stuff into it
[15:10] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/kube.png
[15:17] <clivejo> 15:00 UTC or 4pm our time (Rik and I)
 Sorry can't make BBB today. I will be on later.
[15:21] <clivejo> ack
[15:21] <acheronuk> ok
[15:22]  * acheronuk watches final GP qualifying
[15:25] <clivejo> huh?
[15:28] <clivejo> oh Grand Prix
[15:28] <clivejo> not General Practitioner !
 Lol
[15:33]  * clivejo thought it was some reality TV show about doctors
[15:41] <acheronuk> there have been weirder ones
[15:43] <ahoneybun> like one that results in a president?
[15:43] <ahoneybun> oh wait that's a nightmare
 I don't have bandwith with a BBB
[16:00] <BluesKaj> HI folks
 @Santa frustrating :/
 @tsimonq2 https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/releases/tag/0.9.9
 We can just talk here instead
 (if you want)
 We should consider apps 17.08
 sorta busy elsewhere for  bit
 Ok, no problem.
 @Santa, was discussed a bit a week or two ago.  we can only get 17.08.1 in before final freeze
 but that might be ok, considering (a) most apps get version bumps but few changes
 \
 \o/
 and the few with truly critical bugfixes could be SRU'd
 what did you want me to test in kdenlive?
 so I think it possible if people can commit to that
 @ahoneybun, a crash that I fixed now
 what crash?
 @ahoneybun, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714650
 Ok, btw do you remember the abi manager patches refreshing issue?
 very much so
 so I closed it with: Executable: kdenlive PID: 11771 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 9/2/17 12:18:40
 updated MLT should fix that if it's the same issue
 Ok, I have been thinking about a possible workaround for that. I failed in the 1st attempt
 I'm pondering abour something else
 I see a new mlt and screenlocker updates
 The affected packages are ~ 15-20
 @Santa well I was going to do it by a crdue method of putting any with a new lib bump in the do-all ignore list
 then doing the rest with a merge
 and manually picking changes for the others with a bump, so not having to refresh
 screenlocker does not brake now
 \o/
 if there is a smarter potential way, then great
 Might be, i have to work on that.
 @ahoneybun and Kdenlive?
 I just got the mlt update let me try it
 so just close it?
 yes, that was the crasher for me
 no message about a crash
 \o/
 now to fix discover lol
 it was an annoyance rather than anything crital. just doesn't look good!
 @ahoneybun, easy..... 'apt purge plasma-discover'
 fixed!
 lol
[20:03] <acheronuk> hmmm.. new sddm "Support optional kwallet PAM opening"
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[01:00] <ScottK> jtaylor: No idea.    In any case, an update would be welcome.
[01:00] <ScottK> Let me know if you won't have time to do it.
[05:58] <dholbach> good morning
[10:55] <Laney> jtaylor: what's up with all the breaks in numpy?
[17:09] <jtaylor> Laney: the previous version moved a file from one package to another
[17:10] <jtaylor> with incomplete breaks, I added them to make it easier to sync with debian when they do it properly
[17:10] <Laney> did you file it?
[17:10] <jtaylor> yes
[17:12] <jtaylor> unfortunately I'm not positive they'll do it at all ._.
[17:12] <Laney> well, i need to go to the bike shop now i'm afraid
[17:12] <jtaylor> morph is not exactly known to make live for ubuntu easier
[17:12] <Laney> maybe you can convince someone else to upload it before FF ...
[17:29] <jtaylor> barry: ^
[17:56] <barry> jtaylor: what's the package and context?
[17:56] <jtaylor> bug 1168652
[17:58] <barry> jtaylor: i'll look at it
[18:01] <barry> jtaylor: do you have an ffe for that?
[18:01] <jtaylor> it is bugfix only
[18:01] <barry> k
[18:10] <barry> jtaylor: the debdiff doesn't look right.  d/changelog is adding a bunch of versions back that already exist in the changelog
[18:10] <jtaylor> its a debdiff on ubuntus version
[18:10] <jtaylor> debians
[18:11] <jtaylor> so its not cluttered with upstream changes
[18:13] <barry> jtaylor: i'll try to do a udd merge and see if that makes sense
[18:55] <barry> jtaylor: i have a 1.7.1-1ubuntu1 that i bzr merged from the experimental branch into the raring branch.  afaict, it looks good, so unless you object or want to review it first, i'm going to upload it
[18:56] <jtaylor> barry: is there a diff to my debdiff?
[18:58] <barry> jtaylor: against raring: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716750/
[18:58] <barry> jtaylor: against experimental: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716751/
[18:58] <jtaylor> barry: I mean against my debdiff
[18:58] <barry> jtaylor: not so easy to generate
[18:59] <jtaylor> apt-get source python-nump; cd ....; patch -p1 <debdiff; debdiff *dsc ?
[19:00]  * barry cries
[19:00] <barry> jtaylor: hang on
[19:00] <jtaylor> I can create a branch if thats what you want
[19:00] <barry> jtaylor: a branch against ubuntu:raring would be fantastic
[19:01] <barry> *ubuntu:python-numpy
[19:01]  * jtaylor is a bit annoyed that I have to adapt my method for each sponsor
[19:01] <jtaylor> I expected doko to merge this time :/
[19:06] <Laney> Yeah, a debdiff on top of Debian is a pretty standard way to submit a merge ...
[19:06] <barry> jtaylor: yeah, we do that just to test you and keep you on your toes :)
[19:10] <jtaylor> barry: lp:~jtaylor/ubuntu/raring/python-numpy/1.7.1-merge should be it
[19:11]  * barry looks
[19:14] <barry> jtaylor: looks good, thanks.  i'll do a local build/test and if goes okay, i'll sponsor it for you
[19:16] <barry> jtaylor: oops, i just need to add LP: #1168652 to d/changelog
[19:16] <jtaylor> hm I'm not closing the merge bug in the changekog
[19:17] <barry> right, i'll fix that
[19:17] <jtaylor> thx
[19:18] <jtaylor> hm I guess I should still update matplotlib too
[19:19] <jtaylor> why do the pyscience stack package always have to release a few weeks before ubuntu releases :(
[19:30] <jtaylor> oO a new gdb upstream built with py3 a week before release? o_O
[19:31] <jtaylor> is aarch64 that important?
[19:33] <jtaylor> I guess I should not fell so bad to add so late bugfix only software then
[19:35] <barry> jtaylor: uploaded
[19:35] <jtaylor> barry: thx
[19:36] <barry> daman rejected
[19:48] <jtaylor> barry: judging by the time you did it you probably did not run the autopkgtests?
[20:09] <barry> jtaylor: correct.  i really need to get those integrated with my sbuild environment so they run automatically
[20:10] <jtaylor> barry: I have a runner which prepares for pbuilder
[20:10] <jtaylor> should also work with sbuild if it has a --execute equivalent
[20:11] <barry> jtaylor: nice.  i've seen something about autopkgtest + sbuild, but i haven't had time to try it out (can't remember where right now)
[20:14] <jtaylor> barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5716940/ that would be mine, very ugly code but works quite ok
[20:15] <jtaylor> takes a dsc and a changes file as argument
[20:16] <barry> jtaylor: nice
[20:18] <jtaylor> would probably simpler and faster to run each test in its own chroot instead of doing the dependency juggling, on the other hand that tends to find installation/removal bugs quite nicely :)
[20:28] <jtaylor> hm python3-pyparsing is an empty package in raring? oo
[20:30] <jtaylor> hm its main, main freezes tomorrow or?
[20:36] <Laney> jtaylor: broke in the last upload
[20:36] <jtaylor> yes reported a bug
[20:36] <jtaylor> bug 1170107
[20:37] <barry> jtaylor, Laney ouch
[20:38] <Laney> indeed
[20:39] <barry> jtaylor: are you going to look at that?
[20:40] <jtaylor> hm I wanted to do matplotlib
[20:40] <jtaylor> but as this is a deps I guess I must
[20:40] <Laney> might want to subscribe zul so that he's made aware
[20:41] <jtaylor> too many users with zul in the name in lp :(
[20:41] <Laney> zulcss?
[20:42] <jtaylor> found it
[20:50] <jtaylor> I see why it could happen, the pyparsing rules file is weird
[20:52] <jtaylor> it deletes pyparsing in the clean target and after setup.py install, but it does not seem to be a generated file
[20:52] <jtaylor> I guess it works in debian because of binary uploads
[20:53] <jtaylor> this thing needs a autopkgtest bad
[20:54] <Laney> how did it previously work in ubuntu?
[20:54] <jtaylor> good question
[20:54] <jtaylor> ah
[20:54] <jtaylor> it was generated in 1.5.6
[20:55] <jtaylor> generated = mv pyparsing_py2.py pyparsing.py
[20:55] <jtaylor> Ill fix the package, barry Laney willl you sponsor?
[20:59] <barry> jtaylor: yep, give me a branch and i will
[21:00] <jtaylor> hm it fails its own test
[21:04] <jtaylor> hm ok it seems to be more an example named test() instead of a test
[21:21] <jtaylor> ok its a bit weirder
[21:21] <jtaylor> from what I can tell upstream intentionally dropped py3 support
[21:21] <jtaylor> while listing fixed bugs for python3 in the changelog
[21:22] <jtaylor> I'll just through 2to3 over it and see what happens with the examples, I don'T really have time for more :/
[21:35] <jtaylor> ok 2to3 does not work
[21:50] <jtaylor> barry: lp:~jtaylor/ubuntu/raring/pyparsing/fix-py3-package
[21:51] <barry> jtaylor: cool, looking
[21:51] <jtaylor> I'll forward my changes to debian tomorrow
[21:53] <jtaylor> back to what I actually wanted to do today ._.
[21:54] <jtaylor> ffs ImportError: matplotlib requires pyparsing >= 2.0.0 on Python 3
[21:54] <jtaylor> (git head that is, wanted to verify a test failure ...)
[21:55] <jtaylor> so probably the fixed package is not better than the empty one :/
[22:00] <jtaylor> hm the changes does not list anything special, so maybe its ok, it passes its examples
[22:01] <barry> jtaylor: how quickly can you get an ffe approved? ;)
[22:01] <jtaylor> 2.0 version drops support for py2
[22:01] <barry> lovely
[22:01] <jtaylor> maybe it works with 2.7 though
[22:01] <jtaylor> I don't think its a good idea
[22:01] <jtaylor> the changelog actualyl does not list any changes besides that
[22:01] <barry> no, agreed not at this late date
[22:02] <jtaylor> I'll check with matplotlib upstream why they need 2.0 and not 1.5.7
[22:02] <barry> jtaylor: still seems worth getting a non-empty pyparsing in though, yeah?
[22:02] <jtaylor> yes
[22:02] <jtaylor> the examples run
[22:02] <jtaylor> also its mini testsuite
[22:03] <barry> jtaylor: re those seds in d/rules.  not now, but probably the right way to do those is with custom fixers
[22:09] <barry> jtaylor: pyparsing looks good me me, sponsoring
[22:09] <jtaylor> thx
[22:10] <jtaylor> hm
[22:10] <jtaylor> actually the python-all addition does not do anything
[22:10] <jtaylor> but it doesn'T matter for raring
[22:10] <jtaylor> I'll fix that when I forward it to debian
[22:10] <barry> +1
[22:10] <jtaylor> (forgotten the loops in debian/rules)
[22:12] <jtaylor> and the autopkgtest will remind us to fix it for raring+1,as there I added them ..
[22:12] <jtaylor> its to late, I probably should not upload matplotlib anymore :(
[22:19] <jtaylor> uh the multiarching  of tk subtly breaks matplotlib too :/
[22:20] <jtaylor> bug 752647 revisited
[22:20] <jtaylor> funny enough probably one of the first bugs I ever worked on in ubuntu :)
[22:24] <barry> dig the retro 6 digit bug number!


[07:44] <didrocks> good morning
[07:46] <smspillaz> morning!
[08:01] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:02] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[09:59] <tawan> Unity is the nicest, intuitive and most innovative step I've seen into the future yet. Fine work.
[10:00] <tawan> obviously some work to do, but a bold and fine step
[10:31] <klattimer> anyone else updated unity today to find the desktop is blank?
[10:31] <klattimer> the furniture is invisible
[10:33] <RAOF> Sounds like compiz crashed on startup and didn't quite manage to spawn gnome-panel as it went down?
[10:33] <klattimer> RAOF: compiz is running by the looks of things
[10:33] <klattimer> I got a window to open and the furniture flashed into view briefly
[10:34] <klattimer> and the window border is there but invisible
[10:34] <RAOF> Fun times!
[10:34] <klattimer> I think this is a redirection problem, redirected indirect rendering
[10:41] <didrocks> RAOF: it runs gnome-panel, but it's not mapped
[10:41] <didrocks> RAOF: there is a bug about that, (I reported it in the weekly meeting IIRC)
[13:30] <bcurtiswx> good morn'
[14:10] <janimo> jaytaoko, hello have you considered using glib to abstract the various platform dependent functionailty in nux?
[14:10] <nerochiaro> johnlea: can you please tell me where the assets linked to from the following bug are now ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/677502
[14:14] <johnlea> https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~johnlea/ready_to_signoff/
[14:14] <johnlea> nerochiaro ^
[14:15] <johnlea> nerochiaro; note these designs are not signed off, but are very close to the final designs
[14:17] <nerochiaro> johnlea: there's something missing there though. how does the "shelf" at the bottom of the launcher interact with a launcher that have more items than fititng in the screen ?
[14:18] <jaytaoko> janimo: yes, this is in consideration. we may well end up doing that.
[14:23] <nerochiaro> johnlea: i.e. when they overlap
[15:23] <ronoc> kenvandine, hey, when is that new upgrade of libnotify going to land?
[15:23] <kenvandine> it already has
[15:24] <kenvandine> install libnotify4-dev
[15:24] <ronoc> ah okay thx
[15:24] <kenvandine> you should already have the lib
[15:24] <kenvandine> ronoc, hope you feel better soon :)
[15:25] <ronoc> kenvandine, just running on low batteries for some reason, like this all weekend. will get through some work anyway
[15:25] <kenvandine> :)
[15:25] <kenvandine> reviewing my branch will hopefully make for light work
[15:25] <ronoc> just testing now
[15:26] <kenvandine> tedg, do we ship the static lib for libdbusmenu-glib in the -dev package on purpose?
[15:26] <tedg> kenvandine, More because that's how libs used to be done...
[15:27] <kenvandine> ok
[15:27]  * kenvandine removes it
[15:27] <tedg> kenvandine, Back when I was a kid!
[15:27] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:03] <nmarques> hello
[16:14] <rodrigo_> tedg, is there any way to force indicator entries to be added/removed while running?
[16:15] <rodrigo_> tedg, I need to test some code that listens to the entry_* signals in IndicatorObject
[16:15] <tedg> rodrigo_, You could use the "simple-client" test program in the indicator-application source tree.
[16:15] <rodrigo_> ok, thanks
[16:15] <tedg> rodrigo_, It adds an app indicator.
[16:17] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, any new ideas on how to get that updated_cb to work from the libindicate code?
[16:20] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, yeah, that gets called when the event is updated
[16:21] <kenvandine> so before the client accepts the chat
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, would I be correct in guessing the complicating part of this is finding out if the window is minimized ?
[16:23] <bcurtiswx> because I would guess we can use the updated_cb for situations when the window is minimized
[16:24] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, no, you need to do it in empathy-chat-window.c
[16:24] <kenvandine> we can't use the updated_cb
[16:24] <kenvandine> because we can't get updated events from the event manager because the chat is already accepted
[16:25] <bcurtiswx> once chats are accepted events are ignored, OK
[16:25] <kenvandine> well, they don't exist
[16:25] <kenvandine> a new message in an existing chat isn't an event
[16:26] <bcurtiswx> so in chat_window_add_indicator the else section.  Where does that store the amount of unread new messages ?
[16:27] <kenvandine> actually, you don't want to increase the count there
[16:27] <bcurtiswx> empathy_indicator_manager_create_indicator <--- in there?
[16:27] <kenvandine> because having the number of messages posted in the same chat isn't very useful
[16:27] <kenvandine> you should however reduce the count there
[16:28] <kenvandine> you would get the count number the same way
[16:28] <kenvandine> you want to count the number of indicators
[16:28] <bcurtiswx> hmmm, you've lost me on why i would want to reduce the count in chat_window_add_indicator
[16:29] <bcurtiswx> if you don't have the time right now, i don't want to keep you from more important things
[16:29] <kenvandine> in chat_window_remove_indicator
[16:29] <kenvandine> that will happen when someone focuses a chat, or whatever
[16:31] <kenvandine> although, i don't know why it didn't reduce it in the indicator manager
[16:32] <kenvandine> oh, i see why
[16:32] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:32] <kenvandine> you need to update your count in chat_window_remove_indicator
[16:32] <bcurtiswx> why?
[16:33] <kenvandine> because it calls empathy_indicator_hide with handles the indicator
[16:33] <kenvandine> which doesn't have access to the list of indicators
[16:33] <bcurtiswx> because i'm still confused.. as we want to add an indicator when a new message arrives and it's not been read yet even though a window's already open
[16:33] <kenvandine> you would need to add a bunch of code to empathy-indicator.c to do it there
[16:34] <kenvandine> because we only want to increase the count when there is no existing chat open for that person
[16:34] <kenvandine> so if the window isn't focused or another tab is focused
[16:34] <kenvandine> we add the indicator
[16:34] <kenvandine> and i think that is already working in your code
[16:35] <kenvandine> the place that isn't working is reducing that count sometimes, right?
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> no
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> thats why i'm lost.. haha
[16:35] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:35] <kenvandine> ok, well that is what i was seeing when i ran it :)
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> hmm.. well here was my workflow for testing this out:
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> i ran empathy from terminal, this lets me see the launcher adding and removing counts
[16:36] <bcurtiswx> on a new IM, count +1
[16:36] <bcurtiswx> upon accepting the new IM (and thus creating a chat window) count -1
[16:36] <bcurtiswx> i minimize window
[16:36] <bcurtiswx> get a new IM, count unchanged
[16:37] <kenvandine> oh, yeah i guess in that case you would want to increase
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> but envelope turns green
[16:37] <kenvandine> yeah, so add the count updating code to chat_window_remove_indicator and chat_window_add_indicator
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> so something makes that envelope turn green, and I want to piggy back on that code to add a count to the launcher
[16:37] <kenvandine> those are the functions that update the indicator for existing chats
[16:37] <kenvandine> those are the two functions
[16:38] <bcurtiswx> OK, remove it from the updated_cb as its not needed there
[16:38] <kenvandine> in the else block
[16:38] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:39] <kenvandine> well, else block in chat_window_add_indicator
[16:42] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, make sense?
[16:42] <bcurtiswx> from the indicator-manager the snippet unity_launcher_entry_set_count (priv->launcher, count); the launcher in the chat-window would be priv->indicator ?
[16:46] <bcurtiswx> i can add UnityLauncherEntry  *launcher; to the struct for EmpathyChatWindowPriv;
[16:46] <bcurtiswx> that will give me priv->launcher back
[16:46] <bcurtiswx> with the <unity.h> header
[16:48] <bcurtiswx> i create this count with gint count = g_slist_length (priv->indicator_events); in the indicator-manager
[16:48] <bcurtiswx> im trying to think of the equivalent in chat-window
[16:49] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, ^^
[16:50] <kenvandine> i think it has access to a hash table
[16:52] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, it does indicator = g_hash_table_lookup (priv->indicators, chat);  so is the count stored in priv->indicators ?
[16:52] <kenvandine> you want the length of that
[16:52] <kenvandine> size rather
[16:53] <bcurtiswx> yes so the equivalent would be g_slist_length (priv->indicators); ?
[16:53] <kenvandine>  g_hash_table_size
[16:53] <kenvandine> g_hash_table_size (priv->indicators)
[16:53] <bcurtiswx> ok
[17:01] <fagan> Em does anyone know where I can get bamf-indicator.h
[17:01] <fagan> I have the daily ppa installed and the bamf-dev package installed
[17:01] <fagan> is there something im missing?
[17:02] <fagan> I need it to build unity 2d
[17:03] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, would i need to do a  priv->launcher = unity_launcher_entry_get_for_desktop_id (desktop_id); in the main-window.c  if so where?
[17:03] <kenvandine> i don't think so
[17:04] <kenvandine> and you should have access to EmpathyIndicatorManager in empathy-chat-window right?
[17:04] <kenvandine> so you can get the launcher from there
[17:04] <bcurtiswx> i added UnityLauncherEntry *launcher; to the struct for EmpathyChatWindowPriv  .. not the right way to do that i'm guessing ?
[17:05] <kenvandine> no, don't do that
[17:05] <kenvandine> you just want to get it from EmpathyIndicatorManager
[17:05] <fagan> kenvandine: do you know where to get bamf-indicator.h
[17:05] <kenvandine> it is in libbamf-dev fo rme
[17:05] <kenvandine> for me
[17:05] <fagan> oh
[17:06]  * fagan will go looking to see if he did something wrong
[17:06] <kenvandine> :)
[17:06] <bcurtiswx> so where would I add EmpathyIndicatorManager to ?
[17:06] <kenvandine> you should have access to it already
[17:07] <bcurtiswx> in chat-window.c ?
[17:07] <kenvandine> just add a couple lines to get it in those 2 functions
[17:07] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:07] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i need to run to lunch now, bbiab
[17:07] <kenvandine> i can help you in about an hour :)
[17:07] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, OK i still have more ?'s so i'll run to lunch now.  Please ping when back?
[17:07] <kenvandine> sure
[17:08] <bcurtiswx> OK, thx :) enjoy lunch
[17:09] <fagan> hmmmmmm yeah my version is the one from the daily but still I cant find bamf-indicator
[17:09] <fagan> puzzling
[17:11] <fagan> oh it is there but then how the build not seeing it
[17:12] <fagan> oh the launcher code is out of date and is looking for it in the dir of the launcher
[17:12] <fagan> whoops
[18:13] <jcastro> Kaleo: does -2d "fall forward" if hw accell and drivers are present?
[18:14] <cando_> woo jcastro, new bitesize bugs!:)
[18:14] <kklimonda> jcastro: btw, we got glom 1.16.2 into natty, if you've been wondering ;)
[18:14] <jcastro> cando_: like 5 fresh ones!
[18:14] <cando_> awesome:)
[18:14] <jcastro> kklimonda: oh awesome, thanks for following up on that
[18:15] <nmarques> didrocks, ping!
[18:17] <Kaleo> jcastro: yes :)
[18:17] <Kaleo> jcastro: I mean, not by default
[18:17] <Kaleo> jcastro: but with an extra parameter it will use available hardware acceleration
[18:18] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, how's it going now?
[18:18] <didrocks> nmarques: hey
[18:18] <nmarques> didrocks, hey... I'm having here a tiny problem, I was wondering if you could help
[18:19] <nmarques> didrocks, if I try to build unity with tests enabled, it doesn't go very well, http://pastebin.com/iP1i6Hiw
[18:19] <nmarques> didrocks, is it safe to disable the tests ?
[18:19] <didrocks> nmarques: are you building in a chroot?
[18:19] <nmarques> didrocks, yeap
[18:19] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, just got back too.  umm.. another question: EmpathyIndicatorManager *launcher good enough ?
[18:19] <didrocks> nmarques: tests need a X and dbus server
[18:19] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, to put in each function
[18:20] <didrocks> nmarques: that' why we disable them when building packages
[18:20] <kenvandine> no
[18:20] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, one sec
[18:20] <nmarques> didrocks, I'll disable them as well (later will try to build then on a Xen kernel without chroot)
[18:21] <didrocks> nmarques: yeah, we have some work under way for enabling only non dbus-related tests, but not a priority and patches are welcomes :)
[18:21] <didrocks> welcomed*
[18:22] <nmarques> didrocks, it will happen later on ;) I only have one more thing to fix as well, as Gsettings schema is failing to install, and will look into it and submit the whole thing
[18:22] <didrocks> nmarques: oh really? how failing?
[18:23] <nmarques> didrocks, it's trying to deploy on the filesystem and not on DESTDIR
[18:23] <didrocks> nmarques: ok, weird…
[18:28] <nmarques> didrocks, the last error remaining is:
[18:28] <nmarques> -- Compiling GSettings schemas
[18:28] <nmarques> Failed to create file '/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled.V3NOQV': Permission denied
[18:28] <nmarques> once that is sorted, it's time to pull all together, so within a day or two I will have Unity running :)
[18:28] <didrocks> ok, nice :)
[18:30] <nmarques> didrocks, then I think I will follow ken's advice and write a small lib for interaction with YaST for a couple of things that currently don't work for us, and I will submit upstream. I don't write code for around 6/7 years, maybe it's a good time to start :)
[18:32] <didrocks> nmarques: heh ;) good luck with that then ;)
[18:56] <Kaleo> is anybody using Unity in Virtualbox these days?
[19:08] <kenvandine> Kaleo, me
[19:09] <kenvandine> haven't run it in a few days at least though
[19:09] <Kaleo> kenvandine: it seems sort of broken since the recent update
[19:09] <kenvandine> ?
[19:09] <kenvandine> oh, it was updated a few days ago
[19:09] <kenvandine> ugh
[19:09] <kenvandine> i hope it isn't broken
[19:58] <tareth> anyone up to a couple of reviews? :)
[21:18] <jcastro> DBO: let's not keep the man waiting!
[21:32] <DBO> jcastro, what now?
[21:32] <jcastro> tareth>	anyone up to a couple of reviews? :)
[21:32] <jcastro> ^
[21:32] <DBO> tareth, yeah whats up?
[21:32] <DBO> tareth, you'll have to excuse me, are you CA'd up?
[21:32] <jcastro> yep
[21:33] <tareth> https://code.launchpad.net/~mrasmus/unity/fix-713642/+merge/49554 https://code.launchpad.net/~mrasmus/unity/fix-713632/+merge/49577 <-- did these two over the weekend
[21:34] <DBO> tareth, you sir are a gentleman and a scholar
[21:34] <DBO> first commit to unity?
[21:34] <DBO> oh you are mrasmus
[21:35] <tareth> ;)
[21:36] <DBO> both approved
[21:36] <DBO> merging
[21:36] <tareth> yay! now back to work for me on a third one.
[21:37] <DBO> tareth, also, I appreciate the minimal nature of your patches
[21:37] <DBO> tareth, a lot of people add lots of code to do simple things, its refreshing to see someone who takes a moment to understand the system :)
[21:38] <DBO> tareth, may I suggest a next project for you?
[21:38] <tareth> DBO, certainly!
[21:39] <DBO> so you did some great work causing keynav to disable properly
[21:39] <DBO> basically keynav needs to disable when _launcher_action_state changes
[21:39] <DBO> maybe it is time we had _launcher_action_state have a getter and setter method
[21:39] <DBO> and take care of these minor cleanup in the setter method
[21:40] <DBO> what do you think?
[21:41] <DBO> tareth?
[21:41] <tareth> DBO, sounds interesting. I have a couple other bitesize bugs I assigned myself already that I'd like to get out of the way first if that's alright though!
[21:41] <DBO> tareth, sure thing :)
[21:42] <tareth> I'll probably work on it this weekend. New semester has started and that has me busy during weekdays :(
[22:03] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, still here?
[22:03] <jcastro> DBO: we should make sure we have a good list of bugs going into weekends come to think of it
[22:05] <DBO> jcastro, sounds like a good plan
[22:08] <tareth> hmm what are some good programs that like to start themselves maximized?
[22:09] <DBO> maximize web browser
[22:09] <DBO> close
[22:09] <DBO> re-open
[22:09] <tareth> for some reason that's not working for me today
[22:12] <DBO> tareth, yeah having trouble thinking of anything else really..
[22:12] <DBO> rythmbox maybe?
[22:12] <DBO> evolution?
[22:17] <tareth> Rhythmbox works. Thanks.
[22:17] <DBO> rhythmbox tends to undecorate for me sadly
[22:18] <DBO> so it may not be a good test case
[22:19] <tareth> I'm just trying to work out where programs that start undecorated properly when maximized are coming from
[22:23] <DBO> it seems to be somewhat related to how the program decorates/undecorates
[22:23] <DBO> chromium seems to be able to reliably trigger it
[22:26] <tareth> Chromium just plain never makes it to WindowManager::Undecorate when it starts up
[23:04] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.33.1-0ubuntu3/+merge/49729
[23:06] <bcurtiswx> bbl