[02:53] <pppinguin> cause I only get that RPC - connection, refused..
[02:53] <beezly> pppinguin: ah, hold on...
[02:53] <beezly> pppinguin: I'm rememebering something about OS X
[02:54] <pppinguin> Hmm.. I get it from my gentoo / ppc, aswell.. so it is a larger issue, i think
[02:54] <xiximkopp> hi there. i updated my hoary yesterday. now it uses polypaudio instead of esd. but it doesnt work anymore... i cant use esd or alsa as gstreamer backend... and when i run polypaudio from cli, i get this message: 'main.c: read() failed: No such file or directory'. any suggestions?
[02:55] <beezly> oh right, that doesn't sound like the problem I was thinking of
[02:55] <stvn> xiximkopp: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6582 <- like that?
 -- wanna join my club?
[02:55] <shock> same problem here
[02:56] <beezly> stvn: they ought to search bugzilla first, but nevermind :(
[02:56] <stvn> beezly: true
[02:58] <xiximkopp> thanks
[02:58] <xiximkopp> anybody know the current progress on usplash?
[02:59] <JustinChrist> namaste! I just wanted to say how happy i am with ubuntu...it's the only linux distro that i've been able to get to work completely...including sound/wi-fi on my dell latitude....
[03:00] <JustinChrist> not even distros that i payed for, including mandrake, fedora, suse, linspire, xandros....just to name a few.....thanks for a wonderful distro ;)
[03:00] <shock> hm... that polyaudio issue seems to be powerpc related :/
[03:01] <pussfeller> how was linspire
[03:02] <xiximkopp> is an alsa guru among you?
[03:03] <shock> alsa ?
[03:03] <shock> i hate alsa!
[03:03] <stvn> shock: update the bugreport with an x86 report ;)
[03:04] <shock> never got it to work the way i wanted back on my thinkpad 770
[03:04] <CarlK> xiximkopp - I am collecting sound card problems - what you got?
[03:04] <xiximkopp> lol, me too
[03:04] <shock> I am on powerpc
[03:04] <shock> I was acutally pretty happy with esd
[03:04] <shock> worked out-of-the-box on this powerbook
[03:05] <shock> i was really impressed when greeted by gnome-startup sounds
[03:05] <shock> but now.... back to osssink
[03:05] <shock> *sigh*
[03:05] <CarlK> worked out of the box for a toshiba 2600
[03:05] <xiximkopp> i have an via8237 sound chip integretated on my mainboard. cant get that stupid mixer working... i heard theres an softvol plugin in 1.0.8 but i couldnt set it up...
[03:05] <CarlK> even with a dlink 650 mystry wifi card
[03:07] <Babbage> Hi all, does anyone think they can point me in the right direction of help for my PPC installation that I can't complete ?
[03:07] <shock> ask me =)
[03:08] <shock> whats the problem Babbage?
[03:08] <Babbage> First, I'm a newb : )  -so that's likely part the prob at least !
[03:08] <shock> and the real problem ?
[03:09] <CarlK> xiximkopp - might want to read through all the notes: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=VIA&card=.&chip=VIA82C686%2C+VIA8233%2C+VIA8233A%2C+VIA8235&module=via82xx
[03:09] <CarlK> I got tired of reading ;)
[03:10] <Babbage> The install stalled with error related to /sbin/ini:429, corrected, I believe, by following directions on forum by 'Random JuJu' editing 'loadmodules' file in boot ramdisk
[03:10] <Semt-X> Sooo
[03:10] <SiRrUs> hmm everything works with array5
[03:10] <Semt-X> A working support channel, heaven
[03:11] <Babbage> Now when I reboot after part 1 of install I get an errorcat: proc/sys/kernel/real-root-dev: no such file or directory & so on & so forth
[03:11] <Babbage> I'm on PPC G4 machine BTW.
[03:11] <xiximkopp> CarlK, nope, no fix for my volume problem
[03:11] <CarlK> xiximkopp - rats
[03:12] <Semt-X> So, anyone have any solutions to get X to ignore my onboard RagePro and to use my PCI Voodoo3 3k?
[03:13] <xiximkopp> CarlK, yep
[03:13] <xiximkopp> CarlK, u dont know how to set up the softvol plugin?
[03:13] <shock> ximimkopp - I am running OSS as default sink now - at least my movies and rhythmbox have sound again
[03:14] <shock> should do untill the update comes
[03:14] <CarlK> xiximkopp - sorry, I am still at step one: get the module to load
[03:14] <xiximkopp> CarlK, which one?
[03:14] <evarlast> shock: ALSA is prefered if you can use it.
[03:14] <CarlK> modprobe snd-es18xx erros with "ESS AudioDrive ES18xx soundcard not found or device busy"
[03:15] <shock> why?
[03:15] <CarlK> dmesg shows "input: PC Speaker" - should that worry me?
[03:15] <evarlast> shock: OSS is depricated.    So you can play 2 sounds at once.
[03:17] <CarlK>  /usr/bin/speaker-test  wont even run
[03:17] <Semt-X> pc speaker is quite capable of playing wave
[03:18] <evarlast> Semt-X: there used to be OSS drivers for it even!  But PC speaker has never played it even remotely well.
[03:18] <Semt-X> true
[03:18] <CarlK> apparently mine is being used as a mike - guessing it is being used to spy on me
[03:18] <Semt-X> I still recall norton commander playing 5mb wave files through pc speaker
[03:19] <Semt-X> But since I seem to have the attention... ;)
[03:19] <Semt-X> How will Xconfig not use my onboard ati ragepro
[03:19] <Semt-X> and instead use my v3 3k
[03:20] <Semt-X> I know debian dont really like having multiple videocard in a system and all
[03:20] <evarlast> Semt-X: AFAIK there aren't any good "automatic" configuration tools for multiple video cards.
[03:21] <flosch> hi
[03:21] <Semt-X> evarlast, i know, but it's also quite tough to find -any- info on the subject
[03:21] <Semt-X> I do not fear manually editing files
[03:21] <evarlast> Semt-X: you best solution will be to manually configure the xorg/XFree file.
[03:21] <Semt-X> ;)^^^^
[03:21] <evarlast> Semt-X: I have done it.  I can help.
[03:22] <Semt-X> http://support.jp.dell.com/docs/systems/ban_gx1/specs.htm
[03:22] <Semt-X> Thats my box
[03:22] <Semt-X> the 400celeron version, X will not ignore the ati onboard
[03:22] <evarlast> Semt-X: you have add in voodoo3-3k?
[03:22] <Semt-X> PCI, yes
[03:22] <Semt-X> but xconfig just keeps on trying to use the ati
[03:23] <Semt-X> and disabling the ati via bios is a no-no
[03:23] <CarlK> how do I turn off ipV6?
[03:23] <evarlast> Semt-X: (somewhat) easy fix.
[03:23] <Semt-X> evarlast, for the chap who knows;)
[03:23] <evarlast> Semt-X: xorg or XFree86?
[03:23] <Semt-X> xf86
[03:24] <evarlast> CarlK: for i in `/sbin/ifconfig | grep '^\w' | awk '{print $1}'` ; do /sbin/ifconfig $i|grep inet6|awk '{print $3}'| xargs sudo /sbin/ifconfig $i del ; done
[03:24] <bob2> haha
[03:24] <bob2> ew
[03:25] <CarlK> in fact, I have a buch of modules loaded that I dont need: ipv6, usb, floppy, parport_pc... what loads them?
[03:25] <CarlK> evarlast - thanks...
[03:26] <evarlast> CarlK: unless you have only TINY amounts of memory, don't worry about those modules.
[03:26] <evarlast> Semt-X: edit your XF86Config file, and in your "device" section, change driver from "ati" to "tdfx"
[03:26] <CarlK> evarlast - 80 meg.. not "tiny", but just clogging up dmsg and logs and stuff
[03:27] <Semt-X> the thing is, i used the config prog to generate a XF86Config file and already stated tdfx as the driver to use
[03:27] <evarlast> CarlK: for floppy, parport, usb - it is probably hotplug or dbus seeing that you have a floppy, parport, usb and so it loads the modules to enable them.
[03:27] <CarlK> evarlast - trying to figure out why modprobe snd-es18xx errors
[03:28] <evarlast> Semt-X: its ok, don't trust the config program.
[03:28] <evarlast> Semt-X: pastebin your XF86Config file even?
[03:28] <Semt-X> well, i wish i had that box here, wich is the main problem
[03:28] <Semt-X> its offline and about 30 minutes from where I am now
[03:28] <CarlK> evarlast - but I dont have usb anywhere.  I can see floppy - even though the drive is removed (bay is used for CD)
[03:28] <Semt-X> Wich makes getting support for it a real bitch
[03:29] <Semt-X> But I will try as you suggested, thank you.
[03:29] <evarlast> Semt-X: ah, also try "cat /proc/pci" and find the PCI ID for the card.
[03:29] <evarlast> Semt-X: and add that PCI ID to the Driver section as well.
[03:29] <Zotnix> Someone needs to invent a "sticking tongue out" emoticon that is mean.
[03:29] <Zotnix> :-p   is just too... happy.
[03:29] <Semt-X> >:P
[03:29] <CarlK> cute
[03:30] <Zotnix> Looks like an antelope is sticking his tongue out at me... in fun
[03:30] <evarlast> Semt-X: or maybe "lspci" if /proc/pci isn't there.
[03:30] <Semt-X> evarlast, another thing about that, the XF86Config file states tdfx as the driver to load.
[03:30] <Semt-X> evarlast, but when startx runs, it still tries to use the ati card
[03:30] <CarlK> >:(#)  (those are teath)
[03:30] <Semt-X> Looks more like beaten up teeth
[03:30] <CarlK> or a waffle
[03:30] <Semt-X> har
[03:32] <Semt-X> waffles are good
[03:33] <Semt-X> evarlast, do you have any links to more resources about my 'troubles'
[03:34] <Semt-X> the xf86 pages dont really have comprehensive info
[03:34] <evarlast> Semt-X: use the BusID command... so add a line like :   BusID "0:0:3"
[03:34] <Semt-X> I thought so
[03:34] <evarlast> to your device section.
[03:34] <Semt-X> BusID "bus-id"
[03:34] <Semt-X> that one
[03:34] <evarlast> where 0:0:3 is the ID from lspci output.
[03:34] <evarlast> Semt-X: yup.
[03:35] <Semt-X> OK
[03:35] <Semt-X> Thanks
[03:35] <evarlast> good luck.
[03:35] <Semt-X> :)
[03:35] <Semt-X> No luck required, just knowledge and a continuous power supply
[03:35] <Semt-X> and maybe some coffee
[03:36] <evarlast> Semt-X: excellent attitude.  Never limit yourself.
[03:36] <Semt-X> Of course not.
[03:36] <Semt-X> We are only at the beginning of our evolution
[03:37] <Semt-X> But props to Ubuntu team though, its one fine distri
[03:39] <CarlK> Semt-X - agreed
[03:39] <Semt-X> Finally a debian wich is workable by people who do not think like<PHONE_NUMBER>0101011100
[03:40] <evarlast> And is not 3 years between stable releases.
[03:41] <bob2> that's pretty harsh and unfair
[03:41] <bob2> since Debian is 1100 people
[03:41] <Frederick> evarlast amem
[03:41] <rubixXx> i prefer ubuntu to debian
[03:43] <evarlast> bob2: I don't see it as harsh or unfair.  There are good project and there are poorly managed projects.  Debian seems to fall under the latter.
[03:43] <evarlast> Ubuntu is proof that it can be done properly
[03:44] <bob2> again, that's harsh and unfair
[03:44] <bob2> also, wrong
[03:44] <tsw> for a desktop.. I still prefer debian on server
[03:44] <bob2> painting all 1100 DD's with one brush is pointless
[03:44] <rubixXx> jus about any distro can run a good serverf
[03:44] <rubixXx> its a nice desktop that gets tricky
[03:45] <rubixXx> different users want different things out of their desktop, but in servers its all the same, you want a managable, fast, powerful server
[03:45] <rubixXx> thats still secure
[03:45] <tsw> its nice that ubuntu finds my soundcard correctly without any configuration from me, but still my main desktop is debian
[03:45] <evarlast> bob2: Sorry, don't get me wrong.  I think debian is great, I'm using it right now.  I'm just saying there are certain points where debian is a failure.    I had a powerbook, but I used it mostly with a std. 5 button(3+scroll) mouse.
[04:07] <bob2> seriously, people
[04:07] <Coily> can someone recommend a cpu temperature monitor OR a repository with emifreq and all of its dependencies?
[04:07] <Semt-X> OK, lets close the fruit subject
[04:07] <krism> i just ignored about half the channel.
[04:07] <ebone> Semt-X: you don't get around much on the web i guess ...
[04:07] <Semt-X> haha krischan
[04:07] <Semt-X> krism even
[04:07] <evarlast> ubuntu is so good that no one needs help, and there is nothing to say - so we have to be off topic ;)
[04:07] <Semt-X> Semt-X, you should know
[04:07] <Semt-X> er ebone
[04:07] <Coily> anyone?
[04:07] <ebone> there are Mac blogs and Mac sites that are just dripping with self-satisfaction and congratulations.
[04:07] <Semt-X> I just do not like OS or machine bashing
[04:07] <bob2> ebone: dude, enough
[04:07] <Thom_Ubuntu> blablaall computers and os's rule, blabla they all have their downsides blahblah all have their zealots blahblah
[04:07] <Semt-X> Its like saying one football club is better than the other one
[04:07] <Thom_Ubuntu> there pacified
[04:07] <Semt-X> totally obsolete discussions
[04:08] <bob2> thank you
[04:08] <rubixXx> perfect way to start ya day
[04:08] <rubixXx> nice hot mug of ramen
[04:08] <evarlast> sorry for OT.     I'd like to sign up.
[04:10] <bob2> Echylo: how much do you care?  the entire problem is one extra line of text during your boot up
[04:10] <bob2> evarlast: /topic
[04:10] <bob2> evarlast: it is for development, tho, not $random_blue_sky_idea_you_wont_code_yourself
[04:11] <Echylo> k
[04:11] <Echylo> next question
[04:11] <Frederick> Echylo you can blacklist it
[04:11] <evarlast> bob2: I am ready and willing to code, but I'm not very self directed.  I need ot be told: we need this - go do it.
[04:11] <ebone> you could prolly twiddle with the modprobe.conf file if you wanted
[04:11] <Frederick> so it wont boot
[04:11] <Echylo> I know Frederick
[04:11] <Echylo> but that doesn't speeds up
[04:11] <Echylo> anyway
[04:11] <Frederick> Echylo if you dont boot you speed up
[04:12] <Echylo> ok then
[04:12] <Echylo> I'll check it later
[04:12] <Echylo> next question :p
[04:12] <Echylo> I have pan news reader and when I try to save attachements to a specified folder, like /home/echylo/downloads/pan it doesn't wants to save it(it's a mp3 for example) anyone who knows how to fix that?
[04:13] <Echylo> It downloads it
[04:13] <Echylo> but doesn't saves it to that folder
[04:13] <Frederick> Echylo and who cares about bootig time, leave you pc turned on forever and solve the problem
[04:13] <Frederick> Echylo do you have the right permission for this folder?
[04:13] <krism> evarlast : we need to give me all your money - go do it.
[04:14] <krism> :)
[04:14] <ebone> there is a famous german girl named krism.
[04:14] <evarlast> krism: ?  Give you money?  Did i miss something?
[04:14] <Echylo> yes
[04:14] <Echylo> I have the right permission
[04:14] <ebone> she runs around naked all over germany ... sort of a wild nudist activist.
[04:15] <Seq> could anybody help me figure out why my hard disk's apm level keeps resetting itself to 254?
[04:15] <krism> evarlast : your bit above about coding
[04:15] <Delgul_at_work> "polypaudio -k && polypaudio -nf /etc/polypaudio/default.pa" Gives me a working sound system. Sadly I must do it every time I log on. Anyone any ideas?
[04:15] <ebone> Seq: what's the apm level ?
[04:15] <Seq> ebone: advanced power management
[04:16] <ebone> Seq: so, it sets itself to turn off after 254 minutes ?
[04:16] <Seq> ebag: i set it to 128 using hdparm, and then I'll check it about a minute later and it goes back to 254
[04:16] <ebone> a minute later !
[04:16] <Seq> ebag: no, its a scale of how "aggressive" power management is on the drive
[04:16] <ebone> hmmm ... i was thinking it might be a start up script in init.d
[04:16] <ebone> but that wouldn't explain it then.
[04:16] <pfefferkeks> hi, is ther a tool like modconf in debian?
[04:16] <bob2> there's modconf, but it's broken
[04:17] <Seq> ebone: there is an hdparm start up script, which I've configured with my desired settings. All the other settings seem to be in order..
[04:17] <bob2> what module do you think you need to load manually?
[04:17] <pfefferkeks> bob2: fb
[04:17] <Thom_Holwerda> finally, ubuntu-sparc mini.iso works!
[04:17] <bob2> pfefferkeks: just load it with fb, I suppose
[04:17] <bob2> modconf is broken, tho they wil take patches, aiui
[04:18] <pfefferkeks> bob2: ok than I will load it manualy ;)
[04:18] <ebone> Has anybody gotten mono running with Apache2 ?
[04:20] <Semt-X> Thom_Holwerda, working?
[04:20] <Semt-X> nvm
[04:21] <Seq> anybody know why I have no apm support at all? :(
[04:21] <evarlast> ebone: there is no mod-mono package for Apache2 AFAIK.  only apache1 ;(  But XSP works well.
[04:21] <ebone> thanks.
[04:22] <ebone> there is one in debian, but it's actually broken.
[04:22] <ebone> i may just go with XSP.
[04:22] <Thom_Holwerda> okay installing on a 270mhz 64bit ultrasparc does go slower than installing on a athlon xp 1600 :P
[04:22] <pfefferkeks> I will do that: fbset ./.fluxbox/back/sf.jpg and alway I get the error: open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[04:23] <evarlast> Thom_Holwerda: yah.  UltraSparcs and Sparcs are SLOWWWWW
[04:23] <bob2> pfefferkeks: you're sure you don't want to just use X?
[04:23] <ebone> hey guys, ssh service isn't started by default after a Ubuntu install ?
[04:23] <pfefferkeks> bob2: I use X but I will have my backround Image in fluxbox
[04:24] <bob2> pfefferkeks: er
[04:24] <bob2> pfefferkeks: then you're using the wrong tool
[04:24] <bob2> fbset is for playing framebuffer games
[04:24] <bob2> not for setting a background in fluxbox
[04:25] <pfefferkeks> bob2: bob2 ;) I have use thise tool the last 2 years in debian :)
[04:25] <bob2> you don't want to be touching /dev/fb0 if you're in X
[04:25] <pfefferkeks> bob2: ok I will search again
[04:26] <bob2> pfefferkeks: just use xsetbg
[04:26] <evarlast> ebone: no, ssh service is not even installed by default AFAIK
[04:26] <bob2> or the imagemagick equivalent
[04:26] <spiral> any idea how I can fall back to older linux-restricted-modules working with my ipw2200 ?
[04:27] <bob2> get it from the mirror if it's still there
[04:27] <pfefferkeks> bob2: ok thangs I will test ist.
[04:27] <bob2> if not, wait until they fix it
[04:27] <Echylo> I can't solve the goddamn pan problem, I try to save an attachements, it says saving blabla.mp3 and when I look in folder I specified it isn't there
[04:27] <bob2> chilll
[04:27] <Echylo> and I get nuts of it
[04:27] <bob2> perhaps it's just a bug
[04:28] <Echylo> I dunno
[04:28] <bob2> it's not like downloading mp3s off usenet is a critical task
[04:28] <Echylo> you know an other news reader that downloads too?
[04:28] <spiral> bob2: hmmm... how can I check on the mirror ?
[04:28] <bob2> spiral: archive.ubuntu,com
[04:29] <Echylo> bob2 ? you know another news reader with the ability to download stuff?
[04:29] <spiral> bob2: do they keep older versions ?
[04:29] <bob2> spiral: only for a day or two
[04:29] <bob2> there's no snapshopt.debian.net equivalent afaik
[04:29] <pfefferkeks> bob2: thangs!!
[04:29] <bob2> Echylo: all of them?
[04:29] <spiral> bob2: :-/
[04:29] <Echylo> no a good one
[04:29] <Echylo> :p
[04:30] <spiral> bob2: how does the file architecture work on archives ?
[04:30] <spiral> bob2: where are the .debs ?
[04:30] <bob2> spiral: in the pool
[04:30] <spiral> bob2: thanks... I'll check
[04:30] <ebone> evarlast: i was planning on tweaking my setup from work.   :)
[04:30] <ebone> guess it will have to wait.
[04:30] <Echylo> bob2 you know a good newsreader/downloader?
[04:31] <bob2> Echylo: chill dude
[04:31] <Echylo> ow ok
[04:31] <Echylo> thought you hadn't saw it
[04:31] <bob2> obviously not
[04:31] <spiral> hmmm, and linux-restricted-modules, is that main ?
[04:31] <ebone> Echylo: the 2 greatest newsreaders ever coded are Free Agent and Xnews
[04:31] <bob2> spiral: no, restricted
[04:31] <Echylo> ok
[04:31] <Echylo> lemme check out then
[04:31] <ebone> unfortunately, they are both windows apps.
[04:31] <ebone> you can get them to run with Wine though.
[04:31] <spiral> bob2: ok... I'm dumb, sorry :-)
[04:32] <CarlK> dmesg shows cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x220-0x22f 0x250-0x257 0x330-0x337 0
[04:32] <CarlK> x388-0x38f 0x408-0x40f 0x4d0-0x4d7
[04:32] <ebone> Echylo: from the console, try slrn
[04:32] <ebone> For Linux X, Pan is about the best it gets.
[04:32] <CarlK> my isa soundcard uses 0x0220-0x02ff, 0x0388-0x0388, 0x0330-0x0331
[04:32] <CarlK> does this look like a problem?
[04:32] <ebone> There was one project in Germany that looked really promising, can't remember it's name though.
[04:33] <Echylo> ebone, you have read my prob?
[04:33] <Echylo> about saving attach
[04:33] <ebone> Echylo: yeah, briefly.
[04:33] <Seq> nobody has any ideas about apm being reset to 254 on hard disks in hoary?
[04:33] <ebone> Xnews is amazing dude ...
[04:33] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: you here? the mini.iso for sparc seems to work a-okay now :) just ot let you know
[04:33] <ebone> if your not averse to running Wine ...
[04:34] <ebone> If you don't mind the console, slrn is really good ... but has a learning curve.
[04:34] <fridge> can someone tell me where the init scripts source log_begin_msg() from?
[04:34] <fridge> appears to have vanished from my system
[04:34] <Echylo> ok
[04:34] <spiral> bob2: it seems they don't have the previous one... how strange :-/
[04:35] <ebone> /etc/init.d/rcS maybe ?
[04:35] <ebone> Echylo: Pan is about as good as it gets for Linux X
[04:35] <fridge> they seem to source /lib/lsb/init-functions, but it isn't in there
[04:35] <ebone> you should join the mailing list and see if anyone else has the problem.
[04:35] <Echylo> hmm
[04:35] <felix_1> Is there one versed about my problem ? ( hoary cd4 ) I never been able to play cd music nor DVD: access denied to the /dev/cdrom , or /media/...
[04:36] <spiral> fabbione: are you there ?
[04:36] <ceu> I'm using warty and mozilla-firefox from warty-backports. Firefox takes 4 seconds to start (firefox "vanilla" from mozilla.org takes only 2 seconds). The version from warty-backports shows (at every launch, not only at first) this error: "*** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skipping."
[04:36] <ceu> what's the problem?
[04:36] <ebone> check the owner and permissions on it.
[04:36] <fridge> hmm, I did a forced reinstall of lsb-base
[04:36] <fridge> appeared to fix it
[04:36] <fridge> thanks!
[04:36] <ebone> you may have accidentally installed it as root or something.
[04:37] <scorpy> what is the meaning of arrey 4?
[04:38] <bob2> scorpy: it's the 4th test cd
[04:38] <Echylo> where can I subscribe to mailing lists?
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> but why is it called "array" ? i always wanted to know that
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> heh - i cant even rember which is the latest. hoary or warty...
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> (as if it is the question of life :s)
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> i wonder what the next one will be... "scuzzy"
[04:40] <Thom_Holwerda> warty... hoary... no, naming isnt a strong point
[04:41] <Semt-X> It's done on purpose.
[04:41] <bob2> Thom_Holwerda: array is the collective noun for hedgehogs
[04:41] <Semt-X> So you can go like, 'well did you see the latest gdbsdfgdsgsdfgsdfg release?'
[04:42] <njan> scuzzy squirrel
[04:42] <njan> :)
[04:42] <njan> that'd be a cool name :-p
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> I always thoguht it was a 'herd of `hogs' :P
[04:42] <scorpy> in jigdo, what mirror should i put when it asks me?
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> Thats the sort of term the Redwall Novel writer uses. :P
[04:43] <felix_1> Is there one versed about my problem ? ( hoary cd4 ) I never been able to play cd music nor DVD: access denied to the /dev/cdrom , or /media/...
[04:43] <Thom_Holwerda> bob2, ah
[04:43] <Semt-X> hoary is somewhat sketchy
[04:43] <scorpy> anybody?
[04:44] <bob2> scorpy: any ubuntu mirrors
[04:44] <bob2> also, don't be so impatient
[04:44] <scorpy> where can i find a list of ubuntu mirrors?
[04:45] <jwilson1> Is there a document on how to get PHP4 working with Apache2?
[04:45] <bob2> scorpy: on the wiki
[04:45] <bob2> jwilson1: install it
[04:45] <scorpy> tnx bob
[04:45] <bob2> (libapache2-mod-php4)
[04:45] <jwilson1> i used Synaptic to install it
[04:46] <jwilson1> oh. i think i forgot that lib file
[04:46] <jwilson1> thanks
[04:46] <shekhar> hi can anyone help me install the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox? sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad doesn
[04:46] <shekhar> ''t work
[04:46] <bob2> "does'nt work" is too vague for anyone to help you
[04:47] <shekhar> it can't find the package
[04:47] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:47] <jwilson1> i just checked synaptic and it says that libapache2-mod-php4 is already installed but when i go into apache.conf, there is nowhere to check and make sure the module has been added
[04:48] <BrianAnthony> what do I need for XMMS to play mp3's?
[04:48] <BrianAnthony> It needs a special plugin, if I can recall
[04:48] <BrianAnthony> or something
[04:49] <bob2> jwilson1: yes, that's not how apache 2 works, look at the mods-enabled directory
[04:49] <bob2> BrianAnthony: no, you don't need anything extra
[04:49] <jwilson1> bob2:  i will look there and thanks for your help
[04:50] <lotusgeek512> my monitor just died and i had 2 hook up a smaller one which is now out of range, I dropped into a virtual terminal and went to edit /etc/X11/X11Config-4. there are many default sessions? with resolutions out of range.  Does anyone know which of these that i have 2 edit inorder to be able to change my resolution to work with the smaller monitor
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.  :P
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:51] <Dr_Willis> there that worked. lol
[04:51] <shock> ctrl+c,ctfl+v ?
[04:52] <jwilson1> bob2:  i see that php4.conf and php4.load are in mods-enabled.  however, when i try to call on a php file in my /www dir., it asks me is i want to save the file
[04:52] <BrianAnthony> bob2: well, I have sound configured, but it won't put out audio when I try to play an mp3
[04:52] <bob2> BrianAnthony: and it won't for any other format either, I bet
[04:52] <BrianAnthony> It probably won't
[04:52] <BrianAnthony> I haven't tried any other
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> but I was watching and hearing movies last night
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> of course
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> that was with xine-ui
[04:53] <Thom_Holwerda> this sucks :s
[04:53] <BrianAnthony> what is the problem?
[04:53] <Thom_Holwerda> on my sparc, it fails to install a package after initial reboor and then it drops to cli-- i thought that was a problem x86 had for a short while
[04:53] <Thom_Holwerda> CRAP
[04:53] <Thom_Holwerda> *reboot
[04:54] <jwilson1> bob2:  i see that php4.conf and php4.load are in mods-enabled.  however, when i try to call on a php file in my /www dir., it asks me is i want to save the file
[04:54] <bob2> BrianAnthony: perhaps you need to configure xmms to use esd
[04:54] <bob2> jwilson1: ok!
[04:54] <bob2> (no idea, I don't use php)
[04:54] <Thom_Holwerda> is there anyway to restart the second part of the install?
[04:54] <Echylo> jwilson1, try to reinstall apache
[04:55] <Echylo> through synaptic
[04:55] <Thom_Holwerda> im in cli
[04:55] <jwilson1> bob2: you could have said something instead of ignoring it
[04:55] <bob2> Echylo: that will help?
[04:55] <Thom_Holwerda> x obviously hasnt been installed yet :/
[04:55] <bob2> Echylo: or are you guessing?
[04:55] <bob2> jwilson1: indeed.
[04:55] <benjami> ls -al
[04:55] <benjami> ^^
[04:56] <benjami> hoary gnome is broken?
[04:56] <seb128> no
[04:56] <Thom_Holwerda> anyone know how to restart stage 2 of the install without going through stage 1 again..?
[04:57] <Echylo> bob2, I think I solved it that way
[04:57] <rubixXx> anyone use cedega with ubuntu?
[04:57] <Echylo> not yet
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> rubixXx,  planing on it later
[04:58] <bob2> rubixXx: probably in #cedega
[04:58] <rubixXx> na
[04:58] <rubixXx> that chan is useless
[04:58] <benjami> whats youre question
[04:58] <bob2> well, yeah
[04:58] <rubixXx> ahh none yet
[04:58] <meuserj|work> Thom_Holwerda, "base-config" will do most of it.. not all though
[04:58] <benjami> great
[04:58] <felix_1> Anyway, I don't really care, April is approaching fast and I am sure all will be ok! :-) btw, KDE-3.3.2 in hoary CD4 is almost complete and works well :-) but still I prefer Gnome -->
[04:58] <bob2> but when you buy propprietary software, you presumably get some support with it
[04:59] <Thom_Holwerda> meuserj|work, base-config only does timezone slection
[04:59] <rubixXx> first imma install this stuff
[04:59] <felix_1> Because of its config features and themes engines - better and more refined ... :-)
[04:59] <Xappe> rubixXx, well i've installed cvscedega but haven't had any luck with it yet
[04:59] <benjami> what games you want to play rubixXx
[04:59] <meuserj|work> Thom_Holwerda, ah.. dunno then
[05:00] <Thom_Holwerda> well ill go through stage one again
[05:00] <rubixXx> transgaming-mozctlinstaller
[05:00] <rubixXx> whats that
[05:00] <benjami> some letters
[05:00] <benjami> :P
[05:01] <benjami> if i try "apt-get install gnome" = gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 62ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
[05:03] <benjami> but its not broken?
[05:04] <benjami> mensch is hier tote hose
[05:05] <kaha> *cranks up "Hier Kommt Alex"*
[05:05] <benjami> ^^
[05:05] <rubixXx> benjami): steam and d2
[05:05] <benjami> d2?
[05:06] <rubixXx> diablo ii
[05:07] <rubixXx> wow...actually getting support
[05:07] <benjami> i already used steam/source with cedega
[05:07] <rubixXx> i know this really cool ver of steam that lets you download the source's too
[05:07] <rubixXx> its awsome
[05:07] <bascule> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts <-- firefox speedie uppy :)
[05:08] <benjami> rubixXx, steam lets you download the sources?
[05:08] <benjami> what you mean
[05:09] <rubixXx> benjami): if you buy them...this is a topic better used in a PM
[05:10] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu and then ran "mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/" which reports "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy". I can't see hda1 in /mnt/ or (like my usb stick) on the desktop, and I don't know what the "busy" means. I did a "cat /proc/mounts" but can't see where hda1 (brw-rw----) may be mounted.
[05:10] <bascule> mount -r ?
[05:11] <bascule> alright man page it is ...
[05:12] <bob2> hitu: please turn that off
[05:12] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: are you in /home/ubuntu/suse whe running it?
[05:12] <hitu> bob2: sorry :P
[05:12] <vi111e> how do I know if I am using my ATI drivers correctly? I tried changing to fglrx drivers as told in ubuntu wiki page but my system didn't find things and was not able to start x server, so I had to go back to "ati" ... I think I need the drivers because the foobillard is really slow and laggy
[05:13] <bascule> did you change Driver "radeon" in /etc/X11/XF86Config or xorg.conf
[05:14] <Vectalix> hello
[05:15] <Legendre> Ok, Ubuntu on a PII laptop, for a first time linux user. Good/Bad idea.
[05:15] <bascule> hey
[05:15] <vi111e> I did this sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and I also sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 where I changed ati to fglrx and after that x server didn't start
[05:15] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, I just ran the mount command in the root console (/home/ubuntu/ ?) after opening that console. I created the /suse/ dir with the GUI. Should I try the mount command from within /dev/ or /suse/ ?
[05:15] <Vectalix> where is the french tchat for linux ubuntu?
[05:15] <Legendre> try #ubuntu-fr
[05:15] <bascule> no IamJacksUsername I was suggesting that you shouldn't be in the dir that you want to mount to
[05:15] <bob2> Legendre: gnome is slow without a fair amount of ram
[05:15] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, -r = read only
[05:15] <bascule> yeah I got it
[05:15] <bascule> :)
[05:16] <Vectalix> that goo
[05:16] <Vectalix> d
[05:16] <Legendre> bob2 - is ubuntu heavily gnome-centric?
[05:16] <Vectalix> thank you
[05:16] <bob2> Legendre: the default desktop is gnome, if that's what you mean
[05:16] <zido> can i download something from Synaptic to get eggdrop working with Tcl? in that case; what?
[05:16] <bob2> zido: er, eggdrop is in ubuntu
[05:17] <zido> bob2: can't start it?
[05:17] <zido> i get this:
[05:17] <Akiyuki> I downloaded and attempted to install ubuntuu yesterday. Everything worked fine until it started trying to unpack the netcfg stuff, and then it kept looping, going into low-memory mode, and trying to unpack it, low-memory mode, unpack..etc
[05:17] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, would it be okay to ask this in the wiki?
[05:17] <zido> Tcl error in file: "./eggdrop.conf"
[05:17] <aplsin> someone here using a wacom graphire 3 tablet?
[05:17] <bob2> zido: seems pretty clear, you need to fix the config
[05:17] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: kinda slow to get a response in there
[05:17] <bob2> Akiyuki: how much memoery do you have?
[05:18] <Akiyuki> bob2: 32mb
[05:18] <zido> it doesn't "like" alltools.tcl
[05:18] <bascule> if any at all, not really a wiki topic, wiki is to give information not ask questions, if I understand them correctly
[05:18] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, yeah in /home/ubuntu/: "root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu # mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/"
[05:18] <benjami> so hoary gnome is not broken?
[05:18] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: that worked?
[05:18] <zido> invalid command name "usr/share/eggdrop/scripts/alltools.tcl"
[05:18] <bob2> Akiyuki: is that enough for loew-memory mode?
[05:19] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, nope, that from the log. It gives "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy"
[05:19] <bob2> I wouldn't bother asking for help on the wiki
[05:19] <Akiyuki> bob2: I'm not sure, I don't see any documentation on it.
[05:19] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: umount /dev/hda1
[05:19] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, Ah!
[05:19] <lupusBE> the open Terminal option on the desktop
[05:19] <lupusBE> who takes care off that?
[05:19] <bascule> might not work ...
[05:20] <lupusBE> nautilus?
[05:20] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, I'll try that tonight. Thanks a lot.
[05:20] <bascule> np, but it might be something else, you are sure it is ext3 and so on?
[05:21] <bascule> IamJacksUsername: scrap the last, it didn't say that
[05:21] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, I think so: SUSE professional 9.0
[05:21] <fr500> hi
[05:21] <bascule> eyah if it was wrong the shell eould have said wrong fstype or badsuperblock on /dev/hda1
[05:22] <bascule> cat /etc/mtab is another way to check mounts
[05:22] <lupusBE> anyone? I need to know so I can fill in bugreporty
[05:22] <njan> heya, bluefoxicy
[05:22] <rubixXx> bascule): ddin't you used to kick it in the #mandrake channel
[05:23] <bascule> I did, then I got well I dunno.... I changed :)
[05:23] <IamJacksUsername> bascule, I'll try both those. Thanks again. Ciao.
[05:23] <IrIT> Hi all! :D
[05:24] <rubixXx> bascule): thought so
[05:24] <vi111e> bascule there is XT (RV350 AR)"	Driver		"ati"	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0" in xorg.conf .... now after I changed it back to ati..
[05:24] <rubixXx> i like ubuntu better too
[05:24] <bascule> rubixXx: the chan craped out totally, all  the real gurus dissappeared off, they are logged in but never say a word, it is cold in there now
[05:24] <vi111e> I mean when I changed it from the reconfigure thing... haven't modified xorg.conf at all
[05:25] <IrIT> I've a P4 with Hyper Threading. Is the linux 686smp the right kernel then?
[05:25] <rubixXx> bascule): try #lfd
[05:25] <rubixXx> its a nice channel
[05:25] <bascule> vi111e: I dunno then, I was guessing, I know nvidia not radeon
[05:25] <bascule> rubixXx: well I was there a bit too up until last week
[05:25] <Necrosan> any way to get DRI w/ an nvidia geforce 4 mx in ubuntu/ppc?
[05:26] <IrIT> I've a P4 with Hyper Threading. Is the linux 686smp the right kernel then?  <-- anyone+
[05:26] <vi111e> oki
[05:26] <njan> IrIT, ask and wait.
[05:26] <njan> IrIT, if you spam the channel, people won't want to answer.
[05:26] <IrIT> sorry:(
[05:26] <bob2> IrIT: yeah
[05:26] <Necrosan> IrIT: No
[05:26] <Necrosan> that sounds wrong, but try it :)
[05:26] <njan> An i686 kernel will run happily on a p4; but I don't know if there's one which is more optimised for your CPU, I haven't checked.
[05:26] <IrIT> but smp is for HT right?
[05:26] <bascule> IrIT: actually yes it is, and pass acpi=ht as a boot option
[05:27] <bob2> no
[05:27] <bob2> but it will work
[05:27] <IrIT> ok, thx bascule
[05:27] <Necrosan> bascule: Wouldn't he just use a regular kernel then? SMP seems a bit over the top for him.
[05:27] <bascule> maybe there are other ways, I dunno
[05:27] <IrIT> should i add the acpi=ht in my grub conf?
[05:28] <bascule> IrIT: yeah, wherever grub has such things
[05:28] <orfeus> hi. how do i change file associations? default webbrowser?
[05:28] <njan> Necrosan, linux and windows both see HT processors as SMP, so actually it kinda makes sense..
[05:28] <bascule> maybe I'll learn it one day
[05:28] <njan> Necrosan, my dual 3.06 machine has 4 processors according to windows :)
[05:28] <IrIT> hehe;D
[05:28] <Necrosan> njan: Ah. heh. I don't even use the x86 arch, so I wouldn't know. :)
[05:28] <Necrosan> Dual xeons
[05:28] <Necrosan> ?
[05:28] <bascule> I know that SMP and acpi=ht is the way it will/can work, if there are others I don't know of them
[05:28] <njan> Necrosan, dual xeon 3.06s. :)
[05:28] <Necrosan> Cool
[05:29] <njan> Necrosan, in an IBM eServer with 2gb of ram :p
[05:29] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione, in case you're reading this: release-file problems again on sparc.ubuntu.com--- they just did an update
[05:29] <Necrosan> Ahh... I'm on a dual 800mhz powermac g4 w/ 2gb ram.
[05:29] <Necrosan> OS: Darwin 7.8.0/Power Macintosh - CPU: 2 x Motorola PowerPC G4 (800.00 MHz) - Processes: 55 - Uptime: 17h 1m - Load Average: 0.23 0.33 0.18 - Memory Usage: 262.26MB/2048.00MB (12.81%) - Disk Usage: 32.18GB/54.26GB (59.32%) - Ethernet Traffic (en0): 0.00MB In/0.00MB Out
[05:29] <njan> Necrosan, :(
[05:29] <IrIT> but wont it work, if i doesn't add acpi=ht ?
[05:29] <bascule> njan: and I assume you paid the multi-processor licence for those :P
[05:29] <njan> Necrosan, this has dual gig-E and 3x73gb 10k SCSI raid drives :)
[05:29] <benjami> njan, youre playing games?
[05:29] <njan> benjami, nope.
[05:29] <benjami> ^^ okok
[05:29] <njan> benjami, it's a sql database server.
[05:29] <Necrosan> njan: Cool, how much was it?
[05:30] <njan> Necrosan, about 7000gbp, including a 2k3 license.
[05:30] <njan> (and CALs)
[05:30] <orfeus> anyone?
[05:30] <bascule> apic=ht seems more likely, god those *damn* acronyms ... :(
[05:30] <Necrosan> Ouch.. You could have built an equally decent machine for nearly 5000 less. :>
[05:30] <njan> Necrosan, I could. But this has a 4-hour 24/7/365 warranty from IBM for 3 years
[05:30] <rubixXx> anyone in here play dod or cs
[05:30] <bascule> Advance Peripheral Interrupt Controller <-- that would be it
[05:31] <fr500> i play
[05:31] <fr500> good old cs
[05:31] <Necrosan> Yeah, I guess. :)
[05:31] <njan> Necrosan, plus, I have the added assurance that it won't break which custombuilds just don't have.
[05:31] <njan> :)
[05:31] <sgteich> can anyone help out with a video display problem?
[05:31] <bascule> IrIT: dod you get that subtle but important change there?
[05:31] <njan> We went the build-your-own route with some workstations once and it just wasn't worth it. For the 75quid we saved per station on buying them from compaq/dell/etc, we wasted so much time and effort.
[05:32] <Necrosan> heh
[05:32] <orfeus> hi. how do i change file associations? default webbrowser?
[05:32] <Necrosan> Yeah, I got this mac for all of $300.
[05:32] <IrIT> bascule?
[05:32] <bascule> apic=ht no acpi
[05:32] <njan> Necrosan, ouch
[05:33] <IrIT> so, i should add that to my grub conf? And get the linux686smpt?
[05:33] <bob2> no
[05:33] <bob2> leave it alone
[05:33] <njan> Necrosan, this machine is a 2.2GHz Dell Inspiron with 1.3gb of ram, and I payed nothing for it :)
[05:33] <njan> But I confess I'd rather have a dual 800MHz powermac.
[05:33] <bascule> IrIT: yup
[05:33] <Necrosan> heh
[05:33] <IrIT> ok.
[05:34] <Necrosan> I actually sold my old Alpha to get this machine..
[05:34] <IrIT> Then i'll read the man for grub. To see where i should add the line :(
[05:34] <IrIT> *:)
[05:34] <Necrosan> Came as a 500mhz machine, sawtooth w/ ati rage 128gfx and 1.5gb ram
[05:34] <bascule> if it fails I will change my nck and hang out in #debian .. :P
[05:34] <shock> crap! - I bungled my command key! wanted to emulate the mouse buttons... and now its screwed and keepy saying "button 2"
[05:34] <bascule> or worse #gentoo
[05:34] <shock> *grml*
[05:34] <shock> any hint on how to reset?
[05:35] <njan> bascule, nothing wrong with #gentoo
[05:36] <bascule> <-- knew he was being inflamatory :)
[05:36] <vi111e> umh how  was I supposed to uninstall applications in ubuntu?
[05:36] <bascule> notice the way I mentioned the two most populated chans, percentages see :)
[05:37] <vi111e> wasn't sudo apt-get uninstall application at least
[05:37] <bascule> yes or synaptic will do it too
[05:37] <hawkman> how do I install JRE5 on Ubuntu, it won't let me run the official .bin installer
[05:37] <vi111e> E: Invalid operation uninstall
[05:37] <bascule> chmod +x foo.bin
[05:38] <IrIT> apt-get remove
[05:38] <vi111e> oh thanks
[05:38] <jacquesmerde> which gnome-theme manager has ubuntu made into "theme preferences"?
[05:39] <sgteich> can anyone help me out with a display problem?
[05:40] <fr500> how do  i mount a smb share?
[05:40] <jacquesmerde> this is one of my (only) gripes, ubuntu changes the name of stuff to something more generic, but then n00bs like me dont know which man to rtfm, so it turns out being less usable
[05:40] <Yannick_> Array 5 is just released... ;-)
[05:40] <tvon> Is anyone using Hoary with GVim?  I'm getting strange UI artifacts...
[05:40] <tvon> in gvim
[05:42] <shock_> hoi
[05:42] <shock_> question: what is the right keymap for an apple powerbook?
[05:48] <TML> Does ubuntu have an equivalent to packages.d.o?
[05:49] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:50] <fr500> hello
[05:51] <BockBilbo> any of you have tried to install hoary from the latest installation iso?
[05:51] <fr500> what are the differences between warthy and hoary?
[05:51] <Nermal> any idea when php5 will be packaged for hoary or if there are any packages available anywhere else ?
[05:51] <BockBilbo> fr500, warty is actually de stable version
[05:52] <fr500> oh
[05:52] <fr500> thx
[05:52] <BockBilbo> which has no updates but the bug fix upgrades
[05:52] <BockBilbo> i think
[05:52] <BockBilbo> hoary is the development version, which is actually about to become stable in april
[05:53] <BockBilbo> logically hoary has more up to date programs, but isnt as stable as warty
[05:53] <fr500> i have a laptop, how can i enable the Fn keys? i' mostly interested in hibernation
[05:54] <BockBilbo> fr500, i have no idea... but.. im using a laptop now too... and ubuntu detected my fn keys automatically
[05:54] <fr500> hmmm
[05:54] <fr500> you have hibernation and sleep mode?
[05:54] <BockBilbo> i just configured the key combinations in the gnome system
[05:54] <BockBilbo> fr500, i think i dont
[05:55] <Schaap> Hi, ifi want to install a USb webcam
[05:55] <Schaap> do i need to install software first
[05:55] <fr500> i like hibernation a lot but i havent got it to work
[05:55] <fr500> actually i dont have a clue on how to do it
[05:55] <Schaap> before inserting the USB device?
[05:55] <BockBilbo> hae you find info in the wiki?
[05:55] <shekhar> hello can someone help me with the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[05:55] <Schaap> i wanna create some sort of security thing
[05:56] <fr500> i'll loook for it now
[05:56] <Schaap> and link it to my webserver
[05:56] <dido161> Hello
[05:56] <cavediver> Hi. I'm using Hoary and have no flash and Java in my browser. How do I install that?
[05:57] <sgteich> is there a way to add screen resolutions to the desktop?
[05:57] <BockBilbo> cavediver
[05:57] <BockBilbo> look at the ubuntu guide
[05:57] <fr500> cave: synaptic
[05:58] <jacquesmerde> why doesnt ubuntu like me putting themes in ~/.themes/ ? does ubuntu want me to put theme somewhere else?
[05:58] <cavediver> I've installed libflash-mozplugin and it doesn't do anything...
[05:58] <fr500> are u using firefox?
[05:58] <BockBilbo> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:58] <cavediver> Yes,
[05:58] <BockBilbo> cavediver look in that link
[05:58] <dido161> I need some helo with Ubuntu not seeing FIberChannel hard drive connected to a QLA2100 during th einstall....anybody can hel me with it?..:)
[05:58] <cavediver> I will
[05:58] <BockBilbo> everything you need is explained there
[05:58] <fr500> ceve: u need flashplayer-mozilla
[05:59] <shekhar> can someone tell me the name of the package to install for mp3 plugin in rhythm box?
[05:59] <jacquesmerde> shekhar gstreamer-mad
[05:59] <BockBilbo> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:59] <jacquesmerde> what he said
[05:59] <jacquesmerde> why doesnt ubuntu like me putting themes in ~/.themes/ ? does ubuntu want me to put theme somewhere else?
[06:00] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, what do you mean?
[06:00] <Echylo> loool
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[06:00] <Echylo> --- Disconnected (Connection timed out).
[06:00] <cavediver> BockBilbo: The guide wants med to install flashplayer-mozilla, but I don't have that package availible and marrilat ain't working with amd64 port.
[06:00] <shekhar> BockBilbo, it is not in apt-get
[06:01] <fr500> cave u need to add the apt repos first
[06:01] <BockBilbo> shekhar, it is, but you have to add repos
[06:01] <BockBilbo> look at the restrictedformats page
[06:01] <BockBilbo> in the official wiki
[06:01] <shekhar> link?
[06:01] <BockBilbo> everything you need is explained ther shekhar
[06:01] <jacquesmerde> BockBilbo, i dload a gnome2 theme, extract it to ~/.themes, then go sysyem configuration -> themes ->install -> file, but does nothing
[06:02] <cavediver> fr500: It's in marrilat, which doesn't work-
[06:02] <BockBilbo> cavediver,
[06:02] <fr500> well, what is marrilat?
[06:02] <cavediver> fr500: a repository-
[06:02] <BockBilbo> cavediver, it isnt in marrillat
[06:02] <cavediver> Really. I have all others. Universe and multiverse
[06:02] <cavediver> can't find that package anyway.
[06:02] <fr500> hmmm
[06:03] <BockBilbo> cavediver, there ar lots of repos available from diferents distros
[06:03] <BockBilbo> go to the wiki page
[06:03] <BockBilbo> ....
[06:03] <BockBilbo> cavediver, if you want to install java
[06:03] <BockBilbo> you need to download jre 5.0 from the sun page
[06:03] <jacquesmerde> BlackBilbo, whats the point of "install theme..." in the theme choser if gnome gets you to put your themes into a hidden directory which "install theme..." won't let you browse to
[06:04] <cavediver> I know. Doing it right now.
[06:04] <sgteich> is there a file I need to edit besides the XF86Config-4 file to get 1600X1280 on the desktop
[06:04] <sgteich> ?
[06:04] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I'm back
[06:04] <BockBilbo> and then execute the binary file doing sudo ./jdkbinary.bin
[06:04] <jacquesmerde> cavediver, the instructions on ubuntuguide.org and the ubuntu wiki are exactly the same for jre
[06:04] <CarlK> how can I turn off the hotplug manager?
[06:04] <raydoo_> hello
[06:04] <jacquesmerde> tritium, woke up finally?
[06:04] <BockBilbo> after you do that, just follow the instructions of the ubuntu guide to create simlinks to it
[06:05] <CarlK> I am trying to simplify my lack of sound card problem
[06:05] <BockBilbo> and to add the java plugin to firefox
[06:05] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, it's noon here.  It's my lunch break!
[06:05] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, i also had that problem installing some gnome themes
[06:05] <BockBilbo> :(
[06:05] <BockBilbo> sucked...
[06:05] <tritium> I wish I got that much sleep...
[06:05] <jacquesmerde> well, its 4am here, its my try and make my computer less screwed break
[06:05] <cavediver> Actually FF discovers a flash plugin when trying to access a page. Even claims to install it. But it doesn't work :=)
[06:05] <Schaap> nothing in the wiki about webcams and ubuntu
[06:05] <tritium> Ah, are things not going well?
[06:05] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, have you downloaded the metacity-themes packages from apt, those themes work fine!
[06:06] <jacquesmerde> BockBilbo..so its only SOME gnome themes? or all? how did you get around that? is it a debian thing or an ubuntu thing?
[06:06] <CarlK> Schaap - I think I saw something.. lemem look
[06:06] <jacquesmerde> BockBilbo..no...i never really understood what metacity actually is
[06:06] <tritium> jacquesmerde, what problem are you tackling now?
[06:06] <legion> its a window manager... iirc
[06:06] <BockBilbo> cavediver, for installing the FF flash plugin i did nothing but install it from FF itself
[06:07] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, its the window manager in which gnome is based i think
[06:07] <BockBilbo> download that package
[06:07] <BockBilbo> and youll get themes for gnome
[06:07] <BockBilbo> also try downloading gnome-gartoon-theme
[06:07] <BockBilbo> for icon themes
[06:07] <BockBilbo> and...
[06:07] <raydoo_> can somebody help me with an cisco wifi card ?
[06:08] <BockBilbo> i think there is also a gnome-themes package
[06:08] <BockBilbo> tritium, hes trying to install some gnome themes
[06:08] <BockBilbo> but they dont work
[06:08] <jacquesmerde> BockBilbo, installed metacity-themes..now how do i get them selectable from my theme selector program?
[06:09] <tritium> BockBilbo, odd...
[06:09] <Echylo> with what program I can unrar files in ubuntu?
[06:09] <BockBilbo> yes
[06:09] <jacquesmerde> tritium, turns out polypaudio was working fine, my problem was something far worse. so i've just switched back to warty. (though that has present an equally frustrating bug with rhythmbox)
[06:09] <tritium> jacquesmerde, oh?  What was your problem?
[06:09] <BockBilbo> Echylo, unrar
[06:09] <jacquesmerde> tritium, which?!?
[06:09] <Echylo> hmm
[06:09] <neighborlee> Echylo, there is unrar for linux..dont recall where but there is as I have it..not in repoistory so you'll have to google
[06:09] <tritium> tritium, the one that you say was far worse...
[06:10] <Echylo> k thx
[06:10] <Amaranth> neighborlee: It's in one of the repositories.
[06:10] <BockBilbo> Echylo, you must have it in your repositories
[06:10] <BockBilbo> ther is also the unrar-nonfree package
[06:10] <neighborlee> Amaranth, then its new as when I checked last month there was nothing
[06:10] <Amaranth> There is a free version that doesn't always work and a non-free version that worked 100% of the time for me.
[06:10] <Amaranth> I've had it since I first started using Ubuntu.
[06:10] <BockBilbo> neighborlee, its not new
[06:10] <neighborlee> I ran synatpic and checkd for
[06:10] <neighborlee> unrar..and nothing came up
[06:11] <jacquesmerde> tritium, oh, i'm just being melodramatic. but someone else was helping me, but it seemed that polypaudio was working just fine...so i have no idea what the problem is at all
[06:11] <tritium> oho
[06:11] <sgteich> is there a file I need to edit besides the XF86Config-4 file to get 1600X1280 on the desktop?
[06:11] <BockBilbo> neighborlee, apt-cache search unrar
[06:11] <tritium> oh, ok
[06:11] <tritium> cavediver, are you installing java?
[06:11] <Amaranth> sgteich: There is a tool for that in GNOME.
[06:11] <cavediver> tritium: just ready
[06:11] <Amaranth> I just can't remember which menu...
[06:11] <CarlK> Schaap - nm... I can't find anyting
[06:11] <tritium> cavediver, are you going to build your own .deb with java-package?
[06:12] <Xappe> the nonfree totally working unrar can be found at www.rarlabs.com
[06:12] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, for what?
[06:12] <cavediver> tritium: no, did the bin-installer and manually linked it. Dl from sun.
[06:12] <Echylo> nonfree totally working?
[06:12] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: screen resolution
[06:12] <BockBilbo> its in the system menu
[06:12] <tritium> cavediver, oh, okay...I was going to suggest java-package to you if you weren't too far along already.
[06:13] <BockBilbo> System-->Preferences
[06:13] <jacquesmerde> tritium, you heard of rhythmbox being asked to import a directory, importing a couple of the files, and then sitting there searching indefinitely without importing more files?
[06:13] <BockBilbo> (in hoary)
[06:13] <sgteich> Amaranth: I found that, but I don't have any resolution about 1280X1024 listed....
[06:13] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, not really.
[06:13] <sgteich> above 1280
[06:13] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, it does search
[06:13] <BockBilbo> but it takes lots of time
[06:13] <tritium> jacquesmerde, but I do know that you can install gnome themes in hidden directories
[06:14] <Amaranth> sgteich: Then you need to edit the config file.
[06:14] <mmuller> whoooo, nearly missed ubuntu love day !!
[06:14] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you have to right-click in the directory browser and check "Show Hidden Files"
[06:14] <sgteich> Amarnth: I've added the setting in the XF86Config-4 file.....
[06:14] <Amaranth> sgteich: You need to restart X.
[06:15] <BockBilbo> jacquesmerde, or CTRL+H if you have warty
[06:15] <sgteich> Amaranth: I've done that also....
[06:15] <Amaranth> sgteich: Hrm.
[06:15] <mmuller> does anyone feel like testing a .deb i just made for graveman 0.3.8 which i want to add to hoary if the dev's allow it
[06:15] <Amaranth> sgteich: Are you using hoary?
[06:16] <cavediver> Anyone know which repository to add for flashplayer-mozilla ? It doesn't say in the guide.
[06:16] <ago73> Hi
[06:16] <sgteich> Amaranth:Warty
[06:16] <BockBilbo> tritium, Amaranth have you tried the latest hoary alpha installer?
[06:16] <Amaranth> sgteich: I dunno then.
[06:16] <jacquesmerde> tritium, BockBilbo...its not working...you mean right click in the browse box from install theme?
[06:16] <tritium> BockBilbo, no.  Why?
[06:16] <tritium> jacquesmerde, yes
[06:16] <jacquesmerde> does "install theme..." want a .tar.gz or a directory?
[06:17] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Nope, I dist-upgrade'd from warty when Xorg langed.
[06:17] <mmuller> jacquesmerde, .tar.gz afaik
[06:17] <tritium> jacquesmerde, .tar.gz, I believe, although I haven't done it
[06:17] <mmuller> thats what i use
[06:17] <legion> jacquesmerde, it is .tat.gz
[06:17] <legion> *tar
[06:17] <tritium> Amaranth, me too
[06:17] <legion> ;p
[06:17] <BockBilbo> :S see... i had some probs with my ubuntu installation and installed hoary yesterday with that installer
[06:17] <BockBilbo> and it seens to have a prblem
[06:17] <BockBilbo> ...
[06:17] <tritium> with?
[06:17] <tobbe> How do I add stuff to the Applications menu? I've tried nautilus applications:///internet but I get "nautilus applications:///internet is not a valid location". I'm running Hoary
[06:17] <sgteich> Amaranth: Thanks
[06:18] <jacquesmerde> tritium, ctrl-h isnt working. and i have my ~ directory open, so its not like i wouldnt be able to tell...
[06:18] <mmuller> array 5 is out btw guys just incase you weren't aware
[06:18] <BockBilbo> it doesnt have the ESOUND package
[06:18] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:18] <CarlK> hoary - when I run shutdown, aimixer tries to run about 15 times - says "invalid card number" and dumps the syntax ... anyone know whats going on?
[06:18] <tritium> BockBilbo, it was replaced by polypaudio
[06:18] <mz2> in gnome 2.9, how do i change the default apps for mime-types?
[06:18] <mmuller> tobbe, hoary does'nt support app adding to menu's
[06:18] <tritium> tobbe, that's being addressed, though
[06:18] <BockBilbo> tritium, what is polypaudio?
[06:18] <acidmaxd> tobbe: nautilus applications:///
[06:18] <tritium> BockBilbo, a drop-in replacement for esound
[06:19] <mmuller> gnome dev's didnt like the way it worked and took the code out its not just an ubuntu problem
[06:19] <acidmaxd> tobbe: and then click on Internet
[06:19] <tobbe> ok, thanks guys
[06:19] <tritium> BockBilbo, it's a sound server that's designed better
[06:19] <BockBilbo> but... using that some programs' sound wont work
[06:19] <tritium> One sec...
[06:19] <BockBilbo> at least... rythmbox wasnt working
[06:19] <tobbe> acidmaxd, that doesn't work :(
[06:19] <jacquesmerde> tritium, Bockbilbo, this theme selectorjust doesnt work for me, i'm installing gtk-theme-switch
[06:19] <ago73> Does ubuntu work on AMD Sempron?
[06:19] <mmuller> tobbe
[06:19] <mmuller> gnome dev's didnt like the way it worked and took the code out its not just an ubuntu problem
[06:20] <mmuller> :)
[06:20] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Is gstreamer set to use polypaudio?
[06:20] <_4strO> re
[06:20] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: I think /usr/bin/gst-config will let you change that.
[06:20] <tritium> BockBilbo, I had trouble too.  We got it working last night.  You probably have an issue with your session.  See this: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[06:20] <acidmaxd> tobbe: are you using Hoary? I am using Warty :)
[06:21] <tritium> Amaranth, you leave it with ESD selected
[06:21] <Amaranth> tritium: Oh, they symlinked?
[06:21] <BockBilbo> thanks.. gonna see what i can do
[06:21] <jacquesmerde> tritium, running switch2 instead of Desktop Preferences _> Theme solved all my problems. it allowed me to chose from all the themes i'd unpacked intothe .themes directory, but hadnt beeen recognised in  the other selector
[06:22] <tritium> Amaranth, polypaudio replaces esd.  It does include a shell script at /usr/bin/esd
[06:22] <tobbe> acidmaxd, Yeah...
[06:22] <Amaranth> tritium: Well, polypaudio has an esd-like interface, yeah.
[06:22] <jacquesmerde> pardon my type-s, but i just switched to a theme where my text and the text boox are the SAME color in x-chat
[06:22] <tritium> jacquesmerde, very good.
[06:22] <jacquesmerde> *typo's
[06:22] <Amaranth> tritium: I think it has an artsd interface too.
[06:23] <BockBilbo> wow
[06:23] <tritium> Amaranth, yes, it's supposed to be a drop-in replacement for esd.  It has to have that inferace ;)
[06:23] <marcin_ant> hello
[06:23] <tritium> wow what?
[06:23] <BockBilbo> is it like a hyper sound server or what?
[06:23] <tritium> Is it working for you now?
[06:23] <BockBilbo> im downloading it
[06:23] <BockBilbo> ill tell you soon
[06:23] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me how to configure ati driver (fglrx) on xorg?
[06:23] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: It's meant to be a way to join the work of the KDE and GNOME devs, iirc.
[06:24] <tritium> I thought you installed it already.
[06:24] <aplsin> im trying to build psi but i get an error when running configure:
[06:24] <BockBilbo> tritium, nope
[06:24] <aplsin> There was an error compiling 'conf'.  Be sure you have a proper
[06:24] <aplsin> Qt 3.x Multithreaded (MT) build environment set up.  This
[06:24] <aplsin> means not just Qt, but also a C++ compiler, the 'make' command,
[06:24] <aplsin> and any other packages necessary to compile C++ programs.
[06:24] <aplsin> See conf.log for details.
[06:24] <tritium> BockBilbo, then how did you know there was no esound?
[06:24] <BockBilbo> i dont have to uninstall esound-comon
[06:25] <BockBilbo> tritium, cause i installed hoary
[06:25] <mjr> Amaranth, it's a bit easier to imagine both GNOME and KDE using gstreamer with arts or polypaudio backends ;)
[06:25] <BockBilbo> and it had no sound server at all
[06:25] <BockBilbo> !
[06:25] <acidmaxd> aplsin: apt-get install psi ?
[06:25] <Amaranth> mjr: KDE 4 is going to use gstreamer, isn't it?
[06:26] <tritium> BockBilbo, array 5 installed with no sound server?!?
[06:26] <aplsin> acidmaxd, old version, i want the latest.
[06:26] <Amaranth> array 5 is out?
[06:26] <afo-blackness> hyea all
[06:26] <BockBilbo> mm i think it was array4
[06:26] <tritium> BockBilbo, ubuntu-desktop depends on polypaudio...
[06:26] <mjr> Amaranth, I'm not sure, but at least gstreamer does try to be desktop-neutral. I hope it is.
[06:27] <mjr> Amaranth, I'm not following KDE stuff that closely
[06:27] <afo-blackness> i have an question how can i use an .bin in linux here ? ubuntu.... really cant find it i used chmod a+x Desktop realplayer10gold.bin but then it says unknown file or map :S so how to compile ?
[06:28] <BockBilbo> tritium, and before polyaudio was inforced, to which esound package was ubuntu-desktop depending on?
[06:28] <BockBilbo> esound-common?
[06:28] <cavediver> it's a binary
[06:28] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: chmod +x realplayer10gold.bin && ./realplayer10gold.bin
[06:28] <Amaranth> mjr: I know KDE apps are starting to use gstreamer (amarok) so hopefully that'll help. It'd be nice to have toolkits be the only main difference between the two DEs.
[06:28] <cavediver> afo-blackness: sh real.bin
[06:28] <tritium> BockBilbo, no, esound
[06:28] <afo-blackness> ok i ll try it
[06:28] <BockBilbo> well..
[06:28] <BockBilbo> see.. in the installation i did
[06:28] <tritium> BockBilbo, lots of others dep. on esound-common, though
[06:28] <BockBilbo> yeah
[06:29] <mmuller> any dev's here atm ?
[06:29] <BockBilbo> cause in the installation i did i just had esound-common installed
[06:29] <tritium> Amaranth, yes, its' out
[06:29] <BockBilbo> esound wasnt installed
[06:29] <BockBilbo> :S
[06:29] <tritium> BockBilbo, well, no matter...
[06:29] <Riddell> Amaranth: no decision yet on multimedia for KDE 4, but gstreamer is the obvious choice
[06:29] <BockBilbo> :S
[06:30] <selinium_> Hi everyone, is there anyone here who uses bluefish?
[06:30] <afo-blackness> euhm guys even then it says it doesnt work
[06:30] <Amaranth> Now all we need is a QT theme that uses GTK to match the gtk-qt engine. ;)
[06:30] <afo-blackness> it cant find it :S
[06:30] <Amaranth> Or is that not possible with QT?
[06:30] <BockBilbo> tritium, so.. if i want to switch to polypaudio do i have to remove the gnome-desktop?
[06:30] <BockBilbo> cause i guess i would have to remove the esound-common package, righr?
[06:30] <tritium> BockBilbo, no
[06:31] <tobbe> How do I change the language my GTK apps use for spell checking?
[06:31] <tritium> BockBilbo, you keep esound-common
[06:31] <tobbe> (i.e. Gaim)
[06:31] <BockBilbo> alright
[06:31] <afo-blackness> i did "chmod +x realplayer10gold.bin && ./realplayer10gold.bin" in my terminal and still cant find file or map
[06:31] <selinium_> Hi everyone, is there anyone here who uses bluefish? I am trying to save a file but it wont let me :(
[06:31] <BockBilbo> so... right now for example, i have all the polypaudio packages installed and just the esound-common package
[06:31] <tritium> afo-blackness, what does "file realplayer10gold.bin" say?
[06:32] <BockBilbo> and i can heard the sound...
[06:32] <aplsin> acidmaxd,  i found out what was wrong, i needed the multithreaded version of QT, i didnt RTFD :)
[06:32] <afo-blackness> also cant find map
[06:32] <BockBilbo> can i guess that im running polyaudio?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> afo-blackness: you are probably in the wrong directory
[06:32] <raydoo_> can sombody help me with my cisc wifi card
[06:32] <raydoo_> aem cisco
[06:32] <tritium> BockBilbo, it's probably not running
[06:32] <acidmaxd> i was wondering... i am using Skype, on my Gnome desktop, but it looks terrible (built using Qt). Is there any way to make it good-looking (AA fonts at least)
[06:32] <tritium> BockBilbo, see that URL
[06:32] <afo-blackness> wait
[06:32] <afo-blackness> now it says
[06:33] <afo-blackness> cannot open no such file or directory
[06:33] <afo-blackness> it is my desktop
[06:33] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: ls real* ?
[06:33] <thoreauputic> afo-blackness: what dir is it in? I bet it's on the desktop, right?
[06:33] <tritium> BockBilbo, you can hear sound?
[06:33] <afo-blackness> yes it is
[06:33] <tritium> BockBilbo, then maybe you're all set.
[06:33] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: well, open terminal, type "cd Desktop" and then repeat the commands
[06:33] <Amaranth> acidmaxd: Not that I'm aware of.
[06:33] <afo-blackness> and the file stands on my desktop
[06:34] <BockBilbo> tritium, it works
[06:34] <Echylo> what you need to compile c files ?
[06:34] <tritium> BockBilbo, :)
[06:34] <Echylo> know I am lazy :p
[06:34] <thoreauputic> afo-blackness: cd Desktop then chmod +x and ./runthecommand as in instructions
[06:34] <afo-blackness> wait it works already :)
[06:34] <tritium> Echylo, it's easiest to "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[06:34] <BockBilbo> so... that must mean that im using polypaudio, right?
[06:34] <tritium> yu
[06:34] <tritium> yup
[06:35] <Xappe> tritium, have you got polypaudio to work properly now?
[06:35] <aplsin> howcome psi ./configure says "Error: need QCA 1.0!" when i already installed QCA-TLS?
[06:35] <Echylo> and how I compile .c files then?
[06:35] <BockBilbo> even considering that ihave the esound-common package installed?
[06:35] <Echylo> with g++ ?
[06:35] <tritium> BockBilbo, pgrep polypaudio will verify
[06:35] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes...
[06:35] <thoreauputic> aplsin: dev package required for compiling
[06:35] <tritium> Xappe, sure do
[06:36] <tritium> Xappe, you?
[06:36] <acidmaxd> aplsin: why don't you try to fetch ant install the required libraries (using apt-get source psi && apt-get build-dep) ?
[06:36] <afo-blackness> ow no still it says unknown file or map i did it right as the instrucions :S
[06:36] <acidmaxd> aplsin: then try to compile your version
[06:36] <tritium> Echylo, gcc for C compiler.
[06:36] <Xappe> tritium, no :/ what did you do (you can tell me in a query if you wish)
[06:36] <aplsin> thoreauputic, aaah, but i dont think its in the respiritory
[06:36] <thoreauputic> aplsin: those errors almost always mean you lack the relevant dev packages
[06:36] <aplsin> acidmaxd, i already did
[06:36] <tritium> Xappe, try this:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[06:36] <Xappe> tritium, ok, will do
[06:37] <aplsin> thoreauputic, yeah, but qca-tls-dev isnt in the respitory :/
[06:37] <BockBilbo> tritium "pgrep polypaudio" shows nothing :S
[06:37] <thoreauputic> aplsin: you have multiverse and universe enabled?
[06:37] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: "cd Desktop && ls [rR] eal*"
[06:37] <tritium> BockBilbo, dpkg -l | grep esound
[06:37] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hiho
[06:38] <tritium> BockBilbo, and pgrep esd
[06:38] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: what is the output of this command?
[06:38] <aplsin> thoreauputic, yep
[06:38] <BockBilbo> tritium, what output should i get?
[06:38] <afo-blackness> guys ok i think it worked now it says: name.bin elf 32-bit lsb executable blabla bla is it ok ?
[06:38] <afo-blackness> Dynamicly linked etc
[06:38] <tritium> BockBilbo, do you see the "esound" package from the first?
[06:38] <aplsin> thoreauputic, you search for "qca" and tell me what you get
[06:39] <BockBilbo> yes
[06:39] <BockBilbo> esound-clients and esound-common
[06:39] <tritium> BockBilbo, but not just "esound"?
[06:39] <BockBilbo> nope
[06:39] <tritium> good deal
[06:39] <tritium> now, just verify that esd is not running
[06:39] <BockBilbo> how?
[06:39] <tritium> pgrep esd
[06:39] <BockBilbo> top?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> aplsin: I get qca-tls but no dev package :/
[06:40] <BockBilbo> it is running
[06:40] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:40] <BockBilbo> 8499
[06:40] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: yes
[06:40] <tritium> BockBilbo, oh...
[06:40] <BockBilbo> i guess i have to restart the sound server...
[06:40] <afo-blackness> now it says file.bin unkown file or map
[06:40] <tritium> BockBilbo, you better follow http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[06:40] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: i don't think i can understand you
[06:40] <BockBilbo> ok
[06:40] <BockBilbo> brbr
[06:40] <afo-blackness> "/exec name.bin" gets me /name.bin unkown file or map
[06:40] <aplsin> thoreauputic, yeah same here.. :/
[06:41] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: the file 'file.bin' is on your Desktop, right?
[06:41] <afo-blackness> yes
[06:41] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: the name is 'file.bin' ?
[06:41] <afo-blackness> no
[06:41] <afo-blackness> it is realmediaplayer10gold.bin
[06:41] <tritium> afo-blackness, what does "file realmediaplayer10gold.bin" say?
[06:41] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: now... open Terminal, type "file realmediaplayer10gold.bin"
[06:41] <acidmaxd> tritium: :)
[06:41] <tritium> acidmaxd, :)
[06:41] <afo-blackness> ELf 32 executble etc etc
[06:42] <tritium> okay, good
[06:42] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: good, now type "chmod +x realmediaplayer10gold.bin"
[06:42] <shock> blargh ... finally... my keyboard works again
[06:42] <shock> *sigh*
[06:42] <afo-blackness> done
[06:42] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: ... and then
[06:42] <acidmaxd> ./realmediaplayer10gold.bin
[06:42] <afo-blackness> i get an new commanline
[06:43] <afo-blackness> yeah !
[06:43] <afo-blackness> it installs
[06:43] <afo-blackness> whooo
[06:43] <afo-blackness> t
[06:43] <acidmaxd> heh :)
[06:43] <afo-blackness> tnx acid :)
[06:43] <afo-blackness> lol this is my first time with linux so i need to learn pretty much ^^
[06:44] <acidmaxd> afo-blackness: http://www.ubuntuguide.org is the best resource
[06:44] <zido> i still don't get this.. when i try starting my eggdrop with Tcl scripts, i get this: invalid command name "..../scripts.tcl" while executing "..../scrilts.tcl"
[06:46] <afo-blackness> ok acid tnx
[06:48] <tioumen_2k5> lut
[06:48] <BockBilbo> tritium
[06:48] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes?
[06:48] <BockBilbo> i have restarted, and now esd is not running
[06:48] <BockBilbo> and polypaudio looks to be the sound server
[06:48] <tritium> BockBilbo, good
[06:48] <BockBilbo> (its running)
[06:49] <tritium> ok
[06:49] <BockBilbo> i have sound-clients and esound-common when doing dpkg -l | grep esound
[06:49] <BockBilbo> and the sound works...
[06:49] <BockBilbo> but i have 2 problems
[06:50] <hawkman> any easy to install archive progs that can handle .rar for ubuntu ?
[06:50] <tritium> BockBilbo, those esound packages are not a problem
[06:50] <BockBilbo> tritium, hehe.. those packages arent my problem
[06:50] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:50] <tritium> ok
[06:51] <BockBilbo> my first problem is that gnome sounds sound... but... for example rythmbox doesnt work
[06:51] <CarlK> something is runnign amixer 15 times on both startup and shutdown....  on startup it is right before "starting internet superserver"
[06:51] <BockBilbo> when trying to play a song
[06:51] <BockBilbo> it says that "could not pause playback" and that "could not open resource for writing"
[06:52] <BockBilbo> in beep media player, now i cant listen to the music configuring it using esound
[06:52] <thoreauputic> hawkman: enable universe/multiverse and install unrar-nonfree
[06:52] <BockBilbo> ...
[06:53] <BockBilbo> tritium, do you have the same problem?
[06:53] <tritium> BockBilbo, that's the problem I had before doing the steps in that URL
[06:53] <BockBilbo> ok
[06:53] <BockBilbo> gonna do them
[06:53] <tritium> You saved your sesson on log out?
[06:53] <Echylo> which namespace should I use for c++ in linux?
[06:53] <tritium> BockBilbo, and you had killed any running sound server?
[06:53] <BockBilbo> nope
[06:53] <BockBilbo> gonna do it now
[06:53] <BockBilbo> hold on
[06:54] <crimsun> Echylo: std; ?
[06:54] <tritium> BockBilbo, that's what you were going to run off and do...
[06:54] <tritium> silly
[06:54] <Echylo> ow wait a sec
[06:54] <Echylo> omg
[06:54] <Echylo> I was trying to compile it with a c compiler
[06:54] <evarlast> Echylo: std
[06:54] <Echylo> :|
[06:54] <Echylo> that explains the errors
[06:54] <tritium> g++ Echylo
[06:54] <Echylo> :shy:
[06:54] <Echylo> yea
[06:54] <Echylo> I know
[06:55] <Echylo> was trying gcc
[06:55] <BockBilbo> brb
[06:57] <Echylo> where are the arguments stand for in int main(int nNumberofArgs, char* pszArgs[] )
[06:58] <CarlK> looks like then number of parameters, then an array of the parameters
[06:58] <crimsun> Echylo: do you mean "what do they mean?" the first is the number of arguments passed on the command line; the second is an array...  like CarlK typed.
[06:58] <Echylo> hmm
[06:59] <tritium> crimsun, hello again
[06:59] <crimsun> typically it's: int argc, char *argv[]    (or char **argv)
[06:59] <crimsun> but again, that's just an actual parameter expression, so it doesn't much matter
[06:59] <crimsun> hi tritium
[06:59] <Echylo> k
[07:00] <CarlK> dmesg shows: "Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda2 ro nousb nobiospnp noacpi"
[07:00] <evarlast> don't forget char**env in tehre :)
[07:00] <CarlK> then pnp: PnP ACPI: ACPI disable ... PnPBIOS: Scanning system for PnP BIOS support...
[07:01] <CarlK> shouldn't it not do that?
[07:01] <CarlK> or is the kernel option just nopnp ?
[07:03] <crimsun> CarlK: noisapnp pci=noacpi
[07:03] <CarlK> thanks
[07:03] <Thom_Holwerda> aaargh the ubuntu-sparc install keeps hanging in second stage
[07:04] <Thom_Holwerda> there appears to be something wrong with some evolution deps or something
[07:04] <CarlK> is there some way to log the output durring shutdown?
[07:05] <CarlK> something is freaking out and runing amixer about 15 times,  but I have no sound, so it errors
[07:05] <CarlK> which is probably why it is run 15 times
[07:07] <BockBilbo> tritium!!!! 1 of 2 problems solved
[07:07] <BockBilbo> :)
[07:07] <tritium> BockBilbo, okay.  Now what?
[07:07] <BockBilbo> ok
[07:07] <BockBilbo> yhe next is that
[07:07] <BockBilbo> everytime i boot ubuntu
[07:07] <BockBilbo> the sound is muted
[07:07] <BockBilbo> and the master volume is off
[07:08] <tritium> BockBilbo, but polypaudio is now working in gnome?
[07:08] <BockBilbo> i have to unmute it and turn up the master volume in order to listen
[07:08] <tritium> with system sounds, rhythmbox, etc?
[07:08] <BockBilbo> tritium, i guess so
[07:08] <BockBilbo> yes
[07:08] <tritium> BockBilbo, great.
[07:09] <BockBilbo> though, beep media player isnt working fine..
[07:09] <BockBilbo> but anyways, ill get to fix it bymyself
[07:09] <BockBilbo> ... now.. do you know how to fix the muted problem?
[07:09] <tritium> But your Multimedia Systems Selector is set to ESD...
[07:09] <CarlK> hmm, it beeped 15 times... I don't remember beeps before... so maybe a hint of progress
[07:10] <BockBilbo> tritium, it is
[07:10] <Torakiky> hi, I need help...who can help me?
[07:10] <CarlK> not me
[07:10] <tritium> BockBilbo, I usually use alsamixer when I first set up sound.
[07:10] <tritium> BockBilbo, and I haven't had that problem.
[07:10] <BockBilbo> tritium, both default sink and source are set with esound
[07:10] <BockBilbo> :S
[07:11] <tritium> BockBilbo, good
[07:11] <racoontje> Hi!
[07:11] <WW> Torakiky: Ask your question. If someone can help, they (probably) will.
[07:11] <CarlK> the memtest that gets installed is 1.3, but the current release is 3.1... who should I tell?
[07:11] <tritium> BockBilbo, try using alsamixer.  It should save your volume settings, I believe.
[07:11] <BockBilbo> ok
[07:12] <crimsun> CarlK: memtest86+ != memtest86
[07:12] <crimsun> CarlK: (and the newest version of the latter is 3.2)
[07:12] <BockBilbo> brb
[07:12] <Torakiky> I don't know how to change the default audio card
[07:13] <Torakiky> in hoary there isn't alsaconf
[07:13] <tritium> that's true
[07:13] <Torakiky> how can I do?
[07:14] <Yannick_> If I installed Hoary array 4, does the updatemanager keepmy Ubuntu to current, or do I have to install array 5?
[07:16] <rel> how can I reinstall nvidia-kernel driver after having booted into a new kernel?
[07:16] <tritium> rel, just make sure you have the matching linux-restricted-modules
[07:16] <evarlast> rel: you have to rebuild the kernel module, basically run the nvidia installer again.
[07:17] <evarlast> tritium: oh is there a deb?  cool.
[07:17] <rel> tritium, Ive tried 2.6.11 -amd64, guess it doesnt have restricted modules
[07:17] <tritium> evarlast, absolutly
[07:17] <tritium> absolutely
[07:17] <tritium> rel, that's not stable yet
[07:18] <tritium> rel and none of the kernel metapackage depend on anything > 2.6.10
[07:18] <rel> i know.. 2.6.10 isnt stable either i suppose
[07:18] <thenuke> Argh, why ubuntu kind of letterboxes screen on laptop..
[07:18] <tobbe> I lost my internet connection. Did anyone replay to my question about spell checking?
[07:18] <tritium> rel, but that's what the metapackages depend on, and they're "supported" with restricted modules
[07:18] <thenuke> it uses only the middle section of the screen
[07:19] <crimsun> 2.6.11 is experimental, hence why it's in universe
[07:19] <rel> Tr0gd0r,
[07:19] <thenuke> lots of empty space on top and bottom parts of screen in console
[07:19] <Beertje|GONE> is it usefull to upgrade to hoary
[07:19] <thenuke> Beertje|GONE: No.
[07:19] <tritium> evarlast, you'be been building your own?
[07:19] <Echylo> how to take a square in c++
[07:20] <Echylo> sqr(variable); ?
[07:20] <Beertje|GONE> ok thx thenuke
[07:20] <Beertje|GONE> :)
[07:20] <thenuke> Beertje|GONE: most propablt it will brake sooner or later
[07:20] <Beertje|GONE> i'll stay with warty ;)
[07:20] <rel> tritium, oke. i come from gentoo and therein its easy. whatever the kernel I install its just "emerge nvidia-kernel/glx". Why isnt this done for ubuntu also
[07:20] <evarlast> tritium: not on ubuntu.  I've not yet used nvidia on ubuntu, but I'm supposed to get a card soon (lent to friend)  so this is useful info
[07:20] <Echylo> eindelijk iemand van belgi
[07:20] <Echylo> beertje :p
[07:20] <Beertje|GONE> Jow :)
[07:20] <Echylo> hehe
[07:21] <WW> Echylo: Do you mean a square root?
[07:21] <evarlast> Echylo: pow()
[07:21] <Echylo> ok
[07:21] <Beertje|GONE> Echylo, #ubuntu-nl
[07:21] <Beertje|GONE> :))
[07:21] <tritium> rel, we don't need to build our packages
[07:21] <zenrox> for ubuntu to get nvidia is 2 simpole steps sudo apt-get nivida-glx nvidia-setting
[07:21] <rel> tritium, just for the nvidia kernel as it is already binary
[07:21] <tritium> zenrox, yes, but he's using kernel 2.6.11
[07:21] <zenrox> then nvidia-settings enable
[07:21] <tobbe> evarlast, isn't it faster do do iNum*iNum ?
[07:22] <zenrox> tritium,  still shouldent matter
[07:22] <evarlast> tobbe: probably, but who knows, maybe pow is optimized.
[07:22] <rel> zenrox, how?
[07:22] <tritium> zenrox, yes, it matters, as there are not linux-restricted-modules-2.6.11
[07:22] <rel> zenrox, apt-get reinstall nvidia-glx?
[07:22] <zenrox> oh ya thats right it need the restricted modules
[07:23] <tritium> as I was saying
[07:23] <tobbe> evarlast, yeah, it should be, but I've allways heard that pow() is slow when doing anything less than ^4
[07:23] <rel> tritium, so, the only way out is to use the installer script?
[07:23] <tritium> rel, no, you can build your own from nvidia-kernel-source
[07:23] <agenteo_> hi I need to install pgadminIII version 1.2, I've googled and founded it on hoary... can you giveme an url about installing packages from hoary? Thanks...
[07:24] <tritium> rel, it's simple.  You just need linux-headers, and kernel-package
[07:24] <zenrox> agenteo_,  do sudo apt-get pgadminIII
[07:24] <agenteo_> it's not 1.2
[07:24] <agenteo_> in wharty
[07:24] <evarlast> tobbe: I don't see why it would be any slower, except for the added function call, which would probably get inlined by the compiler.
[07:25] <zenrox> agenteo_,  then get the source and compile it
[07:25] <tritium> rel, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source", and then read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source to build your own nvidia module since you're using 2.6.11
[07:25] <agenteo_> zenrox: pgadmin people suggest to use a packages version... there's a debian one but not all the dependencies are satisfied
[07:26] <rel> tritium, oke. gonna try that. thanks
[07:26] <zenrox> agenteo_,  then upgrade to hoary
[07:26] <tobbe> evarlast, I don't know. Probably won't notice any speed difference anyway no matter what method you choose...
[07:26] <tritium> rel, sure
[07:26] <zenrox> agenteo_, and hope for the best
[07:26] <kengur> hi, how do i add another category to gnome application menu? like Development?
[07:27] <Thom_Holwerda> is there some sort of "force" command in apt-get?
[07:27] <mmuller> kengur, if ur hoary you cant
[07:27] <CarlK> I am running hoary - I should be using polyaudio, not esound, right?
[07:28] <kengur> i'm warty
[07:28] <tritium> CarlK, yes
[07:28] <CarlK> tritium - thanks
[07:29] <tritium> np
[07:29] <Yannick_> when is hoary giong final, around april 2005?
[07:29] <afo-blackness> back again with anothwr question.  i have an nvidea card in the linux pc by the guide it says this apt get install nvidia-glx thats step 1 what does they mean by that ?
[07:29] <CarlK> and crimsun - thanks for the memtest info
[07:29] <zenrox> afo-blackness,  thats so it can get the package
[07:29] <kengur> afo-blackness, u have to activate the driver
[07:29] <BockBilbo> this sucks
[07:29] <BockBilbo> :S
[07:29] <Yannick_> If I remember well 5.04 means 4th month of 2005, I'm I right, anyone?
[07:30] <tritium> BockBilbo, what?
[07:30] <afo-blackness> yeah but must i said in in the terminal ?
[07:30] <BockBilbo> ...
[07:30] <zenrox> Yannick_, probly true
[07:30] <mmuller> Yannick_,  sounds right warty was 4.10 october 2004
[07:30] <BockBilbo> well... the new sound server works just by doing what it is told in the page you gave me...
[07:30] <afo-blackness> unable to lock the administraton directory :S
[07:30] <BockBilbo> but... after restarting the session
[07:31] <BockBilbo> i have to do it all over again
[07:31] <BockBilbo> :s
[07:31] <tritium> BockBilbo, have you tried saving your session on logout just once?
[07:31] <Torakiky> someone can give me the hoary repository?
[07:31] <BockBilbo> tritium, yes
[07:31] <BockBilbo> :s
[07:31] <BockBilbo> same problem
[07:31] <Yannick_> mmuller, great, but I thought it was due in march, is it posible that the first date was 5.03?
[07:31] <zenrox> Torakiky,  change all the warty ones into hoary
[07:31] <tritium> BockBilbo, hmm, I must admit I haven't logged out since I got it working last night...
[07:32] <tritium> Maybe I should try it myself.
[07:32] <BockBilbo> lol
[07:32] <BockBilbo> xD
[07:32] <Torakiky> no zenrox , i HAVE HOARY INSTALLED
[07:32] <crimsun> (caps)
[07:32] <afo-blackness> wait !
[07:32] <afo-blackness> now it asks for an password but i cant enter it :S
[07:32] <BockBilbo> tritium try it now in one sec and tell me... just log out and go to gdm again...
[07:32] <Torakiky> but on the base repository a lot of packages are missed
[07:33] <BockBilbo> there is no need to reboot
[07:33] <afo-blackness> nevermind
[07:33] <afo-blackness> wierd
[07:33] <crimsun> Torakiky: did you upgrade from warty, or did you install freshly via array[45] ?
[07:33] <afo-blackness> it didnt show the psw
[07:33] <tritium> BockBilbo, I wil..
[07:33] <tritium> will
[07:33] <BockBilbo> alright
[07:33] <afo-blackness> however it is running now :)
[07:33] <Torakiky> i installed it from the cd
[07:33] <invisible_jim> currently running <IP_ADDRESS>standard kernel on a compaq armada m700 (laptop). ive tried to run a custom recompile of the same version, code compiles and installs fine but on boot i get:- 'Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)' --- ive checked to most common things, making sure to compile with root filesystem, IDE support etc in the kernel but i keep getting the same problem. at the minute my lappy is compili
[07:33] <invisible_jim> ng without support for ext3 extended attributes, im hoping that will help. any suggestions?
[07:34] <BockBilbo> when will polypauido be installed by default in ubuntu?? in the hoary release?...
[07:34] <Torakiky> crimsun, I installed it from the cd
[07:34] <BockBilbo> cause in array 4 doesnt work properly
[07:35] <evarlast> invisible_jim: using a initrd that has the ide drivers?
[07:35] <crimsun> Torakiky: _which_ cd?
[07:35] <invisible_jim> how do you mean, evarlast?
[07:35] <Torakiky> crimsun,  I downloaded it from ubuntulinux.org
[07:36] <evarlast> invisible_jim: regular debian/ubuntu kernels do not have support for IDE or SCSI in the kernel itself, but as modules.
[07:36] <mmuller> when will beagle be released guys ?
[07:36] <evarlast> so the kernel has an initrd (initial root disk) that has kernel modules (drivers) for the ide or scsi for your system.
[07:37] <evarlast> invisible_jim: so you need to be sure to boot with an initrd
[07:37] <mmuller> Yannick_, sorry can't answer that one
[07:37] <Yannick_> mmuller, no problem
[07:38] <invisible_jim> yea, ill have to check to make sure, but i think i am. i use the '--initrd binary' option when building the .deb and my grub menu lists an initrd for the new kernel
[07:39] <evarlast> invisible_jim: sounds good.  on boot you should see where it mounts the initrd and loads the ide kernel modules.  If you don't see those, you can tell it is not using initrd, or the initrd doesn't have the ide modules.
[07:39] <afo-blackness> :P
[07:41] <afo-blackness> yeah mp 3 works now in linux cool ^^
[07:41] <evarlast> invisible_jim: you may run mkinitrd manually and see if it puts ide and ext3 modules in there ( the same it true for filesystems ) - you can force it by adding modules to /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[07:41] <tritium> BockBilbo, you're right.  The fix is not permanent.  (crimsun, better not consider the issue resolved)
[07:42] <vi111e> can someone name all the dvd/video-players that I can apt-get to ubuntu
[07:42] <invisible_jim> im using xconfig to configure the kernel, and telling it to compile code for IDE support (not as a module), is that enough? or do i need to be more explicit about getting support in the initrd?
[07:42] <tritium> BockBilbo, I too have to go through the same process with every login, even if I save my session on logut.
[07:42] <BockBilbo> :s
[07:42] <kengur> afo-blackness, u only sudo in ubuntu
[07:42] <BockBilbo> yes tritium...
[07:42] <afo-blackness> i,m just using the musicbox
[07:42] <Echylo> is four in a row unbeatable in ubuntu,
[07:42] <Echylo> :p
[07:42] <BockBilbo> that solution might work for people who keeps the session up much time
[07:42] <tritium> BockBilbo, well, at least we're in the same boat together ;)
[07:42] <BockBilbo> yes
[07:43] <BockBilbo> lol
[07:43] <tritium> BockBilbo, you're right.
[07:43] <invisible_jim> ill try your suggestion, im using the command 'make-kpkg --append-to-version=.frenzy kernel_image --initrd binary' to compile so far.
[07:44] <tritium> crimsun, those procedures you wrote up need to be done after every login
[07:45] <Euphoria> wenas
[07:45] <crimsun> tritium: which set, #1 or #2 (revised, which are supposed to obsolete #1) ?
[07:45] <rubixXx> any1 use steam
[07:45] <tritium> #2, the ones we did really early this morning
[07:46] <crimsun> hum.
[07:46] <crimsun> BockBilbo: all you need to do is update && dist-upgrade, there's no need to reinstall.
[07:47] <BockBilbo> thanks crimsun
[07:48] <BockBilbo> but ive done that today... and the problem still remains
[07:48] <thenuke> why I did not find this earlier :O http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[07:48] <BockBilbo> ive just done what peppo said... gonna reboot to see if it saved the mixer config and if the sound isnt muted at boot
[07:48] <thenuke> now I can have ubuntu in my p233/64 laptop too, and p100/64 machines too =)
[07:48] <no0tic> I'm on hoary, I'm trying to install gnome-cpufreq-applet and it wants me to remove all gnome-applets* packages... it's normal?
[07:49] <BockBilbo> gonna reboot
[07:49] <BockBilbo> brb
[07:50] <nanomad> n0tic: I think it is included with gnome-applets
[07:50] <tritium> haggai, had to do a little "apt-get -f install" to get over a small error updating oo.o2 packages.  No problem.  Was this expected?
[07:50] <minde911> invisible_jim: look in kernel config Miscellaneous filesystems>Compressed ROM file system support is inculuded or not, i had the same problem, compile Compressed ROM file system support in kernel
[07:51] <crimsun> tritium: ok, so it's a gnome-session+polypaudio issue, not sure offhand which is more likely the culprit
[07:51] <no0tic> nanomad: it's another package. I have gnome-applets installed and there's also another package named gnome-cpufreq-applet
[07:51] <tritium> crimsun, sounds right to me, though I wouldn't know either
[07:52] <Einzelganger> A friend of mine who is not very technical has installed Ubuntu Warty on his laptop, but his network card was not recognized during the installation (there is not eth0 available and the installation suggested using etherconf after installation). However, when booted with the live CD of Warty, his networkcard was detected and automatically (dhcp) configured. How can I make it work for him (I was thinking about something with lsmod and
[07:52] <Einzelganger> checking which module is (extra) loaded, but that's hard to talk over over the phone ?
[07:53] <nanomad> n0tic: I have that applet installed (not that package) already with gnome-applets, it is the last in the list
[07:53] <vi111e> how can I test how my ATI card is working ? I have problems installing that fglrx and I was wondering how I can cehck some fps things or such to see how this works? because it is really slow in foobillard
[07:54] <no0tic> nanomad: it isn't the same
[07:55] <nanomad> n0tic: it is sooo strange. what does that applet do?
[07:56] <no0tic> nanomad: i'm no0tic :) same thing, if you don't trust me, search for this package, in hoary (gnome-cpufreq-applet)
[07:57] <no0tic> nanomad: as I try to install it it wants me to remove gnome-applets and gnome-applets-data
[07:57] <jesuel> mmmm pizza
[07:58] <Climber> Hello, I discovered that some fonts installed by Ubuntu by default in "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts", including the important "Helvetica" font, are not selectable in GNOME's font settings. How can that be and how to fix it? Any hints are appreciated.
[07:58] <thenuke> what file it was again which I needed to edit to prevent ubuntu speaking swedish instead of english to me :)
[07:58] <nanomad> n0tic: i've tried this now... u are right. don't know...
[07:58] <tritium> There she is...what's up Tsjoklat ?
[07:58] <afo-blackness> :S ^^
[07:59] <no0tic> nanomad: no0tic, not n0tic :)  it's strange, isn't it?
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> tritium, hello :) not much here.. having lunch.. you?
[07:59] <tritium> Same, late lunch
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> early lunch here
[07:59] <tojileon> Hello
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> debating whether to install polypaudio or not
[07:59] <tritium> Tsjoklat, ah, youre in CA?  I'm in IN.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> tritium, does that stand for Indiana?
[08:00] <tritium> Yes
[08:01] <tojileon> Hello friends. Is this the place to ask technical doubts about Ubuntu?
[08:01] <nanomad> no0tic: sorry... Yes, it's strange. Try a post in the forums...
[08:01] <nanomad> tojileon: yes
[08:02] <no0tic> nanomad: I tried installing it, hoping it would bring also the others applets but it messed up my gnome-panel... recovering
[08:02] <Climber> @villle: You can test if it is installed correctly with "fglrxinfo". If it says something with "ATI", then it should be fine. Try glxgears, too - if it is around 1000 fps, everything should be ok.
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> I see to many issues with polypaudio :(
[08:02] <tritium> Tsjoklat, on bugzilla?
[08:02] <aplsin> someone know where i can get mplayer that works on AMD?
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> tritium, on here and from users complaining to me
[08:02] <tojileon> Good :) (0) Anyone please tell me the equivalent of 'service' and 'chkconfig' commands
[08:03] <tritium> Tsjoklat, it works pretty well for the duration of one session, once you get it setup right.  How often do you log out?
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> tritium, a few times a day... have to reboot in another OS
[08:04] <tritium> oh, well, you may want to wait.  Otherwise you'll be monkeying with polypaudio with every reboot
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> tritium, my idea.. lol
[08:04] <BockBilbo> tritium, :S any ideas of how to fix it?
[08:04] <BockBilbo> ive been doing some experiments now
[08:05] <tritium> BockBilbo, no, not yet.  Did you find anything?
[08:05] <BockBilbo> but Ive got nothing new
[08:05] <tritium> darn
[08:05] <BockBilbo> :(
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> 1) Set all apps to use EsounD output;
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> 2) polypaudio -k
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> 3) polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> 4) Desktop>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Sink>ESD>Test
[08:05] <thoreauputic> tojileon: services are started/stopped with /etc/init.d/nameofservice  start|stop|restart and so on
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> that's the fix I got .. but I have no idea if it will work
[08:05] <tritium> Tsjoklat, that's the "single-session fix"
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> tritium, here is a 'multi-session' fix?
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> there even
[08:06] <tritium> Actually, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[08:06] <thoreauputic> tojileon: of course if you wish you can set up aliases for those commans
[08:06] <thoreauputic> *commands
[08:06] <zido> how do i add another user to sudo users?
[08:06] <tritium> Tsjoklat, don't think there is atm
[08:07] <thoreauputic> zido: visudo
[08:07] <BockBilbo> GOT IT
[08:07] <tritium> BockBilbo, no way.  What?
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> zido, ubuntuguide.org
[08:07] <tritium> but he pauses...
[08:08] <BockBilbo> what tsjoklat said works withouht having to do what the page said
[08:08] <tritium> heh
[08:08] <BockBilbo> see..
[08:08] <crimsun> tsj, how was the birthday? :-)
[08:08] <tritium> BockBilbo, even after logout/login?
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> crimsun, was good thanks! so nice of you to remember :)
[08:08] <BockBilbo> the page said that we have to switch of the server, save session, logout, login, and enable the server
[08:09] <tritium> BockBilbo, that page has those instructions Tsjoklat just paste at the top
[08:09] <BockBilbo> doing what tsjoklat said, we dont have to do that logout login thing
[08:09] <BockBilbo> ...
[08:09] <tritium> BockBilbo, see the page again
[08:09] <tritium> and look at the top
[08:09] <BockBilbo> oh... so.. i guess i didnt read that part
[08:10] <BockBilbo> cause i dont use to read quotes :s
[08:10] <BockBilbo> lol
[08:10] <BockBilbo> xD
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> I'll guess I have to find more guinea pigs to test out polypaudio before even thinking of touching it lol
[08:10] <BockBilbo> anyways... that works fine... so even if doing what the page says doesnt work
[08:10] <BockBilbo> we can still do an script
[08:10] <tritium> although, that's a fairly simple script to run on login
[08:10] <rel> havent had any trouble with polyaudio (whatever that is for)
[08:10] <BockBilbo> yeah
[08:10] <tritium> rel, sound server to replace esound
[08:11] <rel> tritium, ive read on that on a gnome mailing list. gnome and co are still using esd here it seems. overkill?
[08:12] <tritium> rel, ubuntu is using polypaudio now in place of esd
[08:12] <BockBilbo> gonna try saving the session now to see if it works ... otherwise... i guess it would be a good idea to create an script
[08:12] <tritium> BockBilbo, looking forward to your report
[08:12] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:12] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:13] <rel> tritium, ive noticed that. the logfiles read polyaudio all over.
[08:14] <Kvark> I'm kinda new to linux, and have a hard time finding the programs after installing them... any tips on how/where to look for them?
[08:14] <tritium> rel, oh, /var/log/messages?
[08:14] <crimsun> it's a lot of pa spew due to providing the backend for EsounD compatibility, rel.
[08:14] <tritium> hell, my script can't kill polypaudio with "polypaudio -k"
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> still long ways to go for Hoary release
[08:14] <edulix> hi !
[08:15] <crimsun> tritium: try ,,pkill polypaudio || true''
[08:15] <rel> tritium, yes crouwded with it!
[08:15] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> crimsun, what does the double ,, do?
[08:16] <tritium> crimsun, that worked.  Thanks.
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Kvark: type `which progname` (where progname is the name o course)
[08:16] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: it's just the syntax I use to denote a command
[08:17] <tojileon> thoreauputic: Thanks. /etc/init.d/foo {start|stop} will do that temporarily. Right? What if I want to run a service when the system boots up? Or when it changes to another runlevel?
[08:17] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione, are you here?
[08:17] <Kvark> wow, thanks :D
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Kvark: usually they will be in your "path" so they just run by typing the name
[08:17] <Kvark> that makes things a lot easier
[08:17] <thoreauputic> tojileon: look at update-rc.d
[08:17] <Tsjoklat> crimsun, ah okay sorry too early for me I guess
[08:18] <rel> crimsun, oke. distributors/gnome.kde should be supporting alsa instead. would make things simpeler and better
[08:18] <thoreauputic> tojileon: it updates your start up scripts
[08:18] <H0lyD4wg> heya folks. i've searched the wiki and the forums but couldn't find out what was The Right Way to load my iptables rules at boot. anyone can point me at the right direction?
[08:18] <Riddell> rel: alsa is linux only, gnome and kde can't be linux only
[08:18] <tritium> H0lyD4wg, did you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/iptables?
[08:18] <JDigital> Hiho. Can anyone tell me how to set Ubuntu to a resolution higher than 1024*768 or a refresh rate above 60Hz?
[08:18] <crimsun> Tsjoklat: hehe, np
[08:19] <Echylo> how do you save a article in pan full without decoding?
[08:19] <rel> Riddell, oke.. cant kde/gnome then use the audio backend on the hostOS's?
[08:19] <JDigital> The screen resolution options only go up that far.
[08:19] <crimsun> rel: that's precisely what esd and polypaudio are...
[08:20] <rel> crimsun, got the point :)
[08:20] <thoreauputic> JDigital: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or xserver-xorg for Hoary)
[08:20] <tojileon> thoreauputic: Thank you :)
[08:21] <thoreauputic> you can edit the XF86Config-4 file manually, but it isn't recommanded in Debian style distros
[08:21] <thoreauputic> in fact it's warned against...
[08:22] <H0lyD4wg> tritium, i didn't know it existed. reading now.
[08:22] <tritium> H0lyD4wg, yeah, all packages store their docs in /usr/share/doc
[08:22] <copilot> I'm following the wiki guide to recompiling the kernel, is there anything else i should know?
[08:22] <edulix> hi !
[08:22] <rel> tritium, I am about to give up on unsupported kernels and want to make my custom "by ubuntu supported" kernel, but without the zillions of modules loaded, that I don;t need anyway.
[08:22] <tritium> Tsjoklat, so you support users?
[08:23] <edulix> how can I easily configure xfree ? gdm doesn't show. it first blinks and then it ask if I want to see the errors or not
[08:23] <Tsjoklat> tritium, yes I do, got a group of 32 ppl on my ar... I mean neck :P
[08:23] <edulix> it is warty in a imac g3 rev. A
[08:23] <tritium> rel, okay, I recommend using kenrel-package
[08:23] <tritium> Tsjoklat, cool, they use ubuntu?  :)
[08:23] <edulix> is there away to automatically configure xfree?
[08:23] <edulix> (re)configure
[08:23] <tritium> rel, kernel-package, rather ;)
[08:23] <BockBilbo> :s
[08:23] <tritium> edulix, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfre86
[08:24] <tritium> xfree86
[08:24] <BockBilbo> tritium, didnt work following all the steps on the site
[08:24] <tritium> BockBilbo, same problems?
[08:24] <marciano> hello everyone
[08:24] <BockBilbo> and neither adding the 2 polypaudio commands in the session start
[08:24] <BockBilbo> tritium, yes
[08:24] <tritium> BockBilbo, I just made a script
[08:24] <marciano> I just installed the new ubuntu system
[08:24] <BockBilbo> you have?
[08:24] <tritium> yes
[08:24] <BockBilbo> can i try it?
[08:25] <BockBilbo> i was about to do it now
[08:25] <edulix> tritium: when it ask for color depth, I enter <whatever> (24,16,8...) and it always keep saying "/usr/sbin/laptop-detect: line 1: dmiecode: command not found"
[08:25] <JDigital> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" seems to have no effect
[08:25] <tritium> it's just pkill polypaudio on the first line, and polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[08:25] <BockBilbo> but
[08:25] <JDigital> oh, it works if I run it in a terminal.
[08:25] <tritium> JDigital, did you hand-edit?
[08:25] <BockBilbo> you dont even need to do pkill polypaudio
[08:25] <thoreauputic> JDigital: you should get asked questions
[08:26] <tritium> BockBilbo, you don't think so:
[08:26] <tritium> ?
[08:26] <BockBilbo> nope...
[08:26] <Tsjoklat> tritium, yes they do.. it is after al the best :)
[08:26] <BockBilbo> i just log in to the sesssion
[08:26] <BockBilbo> and do
[08:26] <thoreauputic> JDigital: if you edited the file, you will ahve to do it manually
[08:26] <BockBilbo> polypaudio -k
[08:26] <BockBilbo> and
[08:26] <tritium> Tsjoklat, cool.  What kind of place?
[08:26] <BockBilbo> polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[08:26] <thoreauputic> JDigital: which is why it isn't recommanded
[08:26] <JDigital> o
[08:26] <JDigital> what's the recommended method then
[08:26] <thoreauputic> *recommended
[08:26] <BockBilbo> let me see it if works just with oe of those
[08:27] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:27] <tritium> BockBilbo, the polypaudio -k didn't work, but that tries to kill it, just like pkill
[08:27] <Tsjoklat> tritium, prive server and a mailing list I have
[08:27] <thoreauputic> JDigital: the command I gave you
[08:27] <BockBilbo> ohh
[08:27] <JDigital> I'm using that
[08:27] <BockBilbo> i see
[08:27] <BockBilbo> o same same
[08:27] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:27] <thoreauputic> JDigital: if you have hoary, substitute xserver-xorg in the command
[08:27] <tritium> JDigital, it you hand-edited it, you'll have to re-set the md5sum
[08:27] <JDigital> I have warty
[08:28] <JDigital> I didn't hand edit, I'm using this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" at the command line
[08:28] <thoreauputic> JDigital: nothing happens at all?
[08:28] <Slask3n> hi =)
[08:28] <JDigital> Not unless I tick the box "run in terminal", in which case it brings up a config program
[08:28] <JDigital> which I am using now
[08:28] <tritium> JDigital, does the md5sum of your file match that listed in /var/lib/xfree86/ ?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> JDigital: hah - where did you type it??
[08:29] <JDigital> No clue.
[08:29] <BockBilbo> tritium,  what does "polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa" do? does it open polyaudio with the default.pa config file?
[08:29] <JDigital> In the "Run Application" menu
[08:29] <JDigital> option
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> tritium, it's a channel were ppl use linux for certain purposes rather to be unknown :)
[08:29] <JDigital> alt-f2
[08:29] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes.  type polypaudio -h to see what the switches do
[08:29] <JDigital> which I rebound to my start key
[08:29] <tritium> Tsjoklat, oh, is that so?
[08:29] <JDigital> tried to make it Start-R like Windows but it doesn't work.
[08:29] <bas> how do i get ubuntu to recognize my ieee1394 drive? i modprobe'd sbp2... what should i do next?
[08:29] <Slask3n> when i open an audio//ideo file by double-clicking it, it is starting an new VLC-window and plays the file in it for each time, instead of playing it in the already opened window :s how can i fix this?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> JDigital: ah - you need to ty[pe it in a terminal - as you discovered :)
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> tritium, yes exciting isn't it hahah
[08:29] <tritium> heh
[08:29] <BockBilbo> so i guess the problem is that polyaudio loads a wrong config at the session start
[08:30] <BockBilbo> right?
[08:30] <jovian> what can I use or learn how to use something to partition and reformat a second harddrive
[08:30] <tritium> BockBilbo, or some strange interaction with gnome-session
[08:30] <BockBilbo> yes
[08:30] <madduck> what does D-BUS stand for?
[08:30] <thoreauputic> JDigital: most things are better typed in a terminal - except commands for graphical apps perhaps
[08:30] <LJ> madduck, it's a messaging bus
[08:30] <madduck> right. i know.
[08:30] <JDigital> Odd. I set that up and there's still no option to use above 60Hz
[08:30] <tritium> JDigital, can you ls /var/lib/xfree86 ?
[08:30] <madduck> LJ: but what's the acronym?
[08:31] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:31] <LJ> madduck, I'm not sure Data Bus maybe ??
[08:31] <Slask3n> when i open an audio//video file by double-clicking it, it is starting an new VLC-window and plays the file in it for each time, instead of playing it in the already opened window :s how can i fix this?
[08:31] <madduck> or distributed, or dumb, or ...
[08:32] <zenrox> ok i just reupgraded to hoary and gdm fails to load
[08:32] <zenrox> with the nvidia driver enabled
[08:32] <tritium> zenrox, did Xorg get configured to use nvidia?
[08:33] <zenrox> yes
[08:33] <LJ> madduck, it doesn't even say on the d-bus webpage
[08:33] <tritium> zenrox,  did you comment out "GLcore" and "dri"?
[08:33] <IneedSOMEhelp_> when i open an audio/video file by double-clicking it, it is starting an new VLC-window and plays the file in it for each time, instead of playing it in the already opened window :s anyone know how can i fix this?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: sounds like you are expecting a file manager to act as a media player...
[08:34] <zenrox> tritium: yep i dint modprobe the newer driver for nvidia
[08:34] <JDigital> XF86Config-4.md5sum  X.md5sum  Xwrapper.config.md5sum
[08:34] <JDigital> XF86Config-4.roster  X.roster  Xwrapper.config.roster
[08:34] <zenrox> 6111 for warty 6629 for hoary
[08:34] <tritium> JDigital, the XF86Config-4.md5sum has to match the md5sum of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or dpkg-reconfigure won't work
[08:35] <JDigital> What's the command to md5sum
[08:35] <tritium> md5sum
[08:35] <GammaRay> After a few days of being on, gnome will freeze if I try to shutdown using the logout dialog. Has anyone noticed this also?
[08:35] <JDigital> doh :)
[08:35] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: n, ive installed vlc and it works perfect, but are there any parameters or something that opens the audio/video-file in the already opened vlc instead of opening a new one?
[08:35] <tritium> followed by the filename
[08:35] <IneedSOMEhelp_> no*
[08:35] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: ah - or a browser
[08:35] <BockBilbo> tritium, after loggin in, if you do: "polypaudio it says that "main.c: read() failed: No such file or directory"
[08:35] <tritium> BockBilbo, yes, I get that on occasion with my script
[08:36] <BockBilbo> you do?
[08:36] <BockBilbo> :s
[08:36] <tritium> yes
[08:36] <BockBilbo> so, the script doesnt work
[08:36] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: I see - I don't know - possibly the man page or --help will give you an option
[08:36] <BockBilbo> right?
[08:36] <tritium> BockBilbo, I just re-run it
[08:36] <BockBilbo> yes..
[08:36] <AndyR> anyone know why my nvidia server works with 2.6.10-3-386 but not with 2.6.10-3-686??
[08:36] <zenrox> hehehe
[08:36] <vi111e> how can I see hidden files and folder in that BROWSE thing
[08:36] <JDigital> tritium: It matches.
[08:37] <BockBilbo> tritium, perhaps thats what i was about to tell you
[08:37] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: there may be a command line switch for what you want
[08:37] <BockBilbo> rerunning it works fine
[08:37] <tritium> JDigital, good deal
[08:37] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:37] <JDigital> So how do I get it to give me the option to run in 85Hz 1024*768 instead of this annoying 60Hz?
[08:37] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: as it is now it opens a new window and then both the old and the new windows are playing at the same time, and that is annoying! ive already searched the internet for a solution but i cant find any
[08:37] <BockBilbo> gotta go to eat dinner
[08:37] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: try typing vlc -help in a terminal
[08:37] <tritium> zenrox, did you figure it out?  you're laughing...
[08:37] <IneedSOMEhelp_> ok
[08:37] <tritium> BockBilbo, see you
[08:38] <zenrox> yep
[08:38] <Tsjoklat> toodles BockBilbo
[08:38] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: or  `man vlc` for more info
[08:38] <tritium> AndyR, do you have linux-restricted-modules for 686?
[08:38] <zenrox> just re probe the nvidia driver
[08:38] <tritium> good
[08:38] <tritium> AndyR, it has to match your kernel version exactly
[08:39] <AndyR> tritium, will check now
[08:39] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: no, i cant find anything there either
[08:40] <angelo> help
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> angelo, er?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: not even the man page? You may be out of luck then...
[08:40] <angelo> my gnome desktop is broken
[08:40] <tritium> AndyR, okay, then I'm going to get going here.
[08:40] <robertj> is enough of the hardware stuff merged that live cds are good tests for power management?
[08:41] <angelo> the taskbars are not displaying
[08:41] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: you meen its impossible?? itcant be! or can it??
[08:41] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: nothing is impossible.. ;) I don't know enough about vlc to help though, I'm afraid
[08:42] <angelo> ok bye fellas im going to try one of the gurus
[08:43] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: if you can write simple scripts, you could script a command to kill the running instance and start a new one, for example
[08:43] <AndyR> tritium, no i didnt have them on
[08:43] <JDigital> I'm still having no luck getting the screen to go above 60Hz. Is there an updated driver for it someplace?
[08:43] <JDigital> where "it" is an nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200
[08:43] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: that would have the same effect I guess
[08:43] <tritium> AndyR, sudo apt-get install it, then
[08:44] <jovian> what program should I use to repartition a drive perfereably with a gui but not necessary
[08:44] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: or even an alias  like killall vlc && vlc %s or something similar
[08:44] <FLeiXiuS> jovian: I love sudo cfdisk /dev/hdx
[08:44] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: ok, thanks anyway :) but maybe you can help me with another problem then? where can i change the preffered applications for more stuff then just web browser, email client, text editor and terminal? i want to make .torrent files open in azureus and .php in quanta etc.. do you know where i can do this?
[08:44] <AndyR> tritium, im just installing them via xdmcp on the box
[08:44] <tritium> JDigital, what does "sudo ddcprobe" return?
[08:45] <tritium> AndyR, okay.
[08:45] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: im not that into linux-scripting
[08:45] <jovian> ok FLeiXiuS
[08:45] <jovian> thx
[08:45] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: my solution involves installing the rox filer, which allows me to change those associations "ad lib"
[08:45] <JDigital> tritium: Whole bunch of modes.
[08:46] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: will i find this "rox filer" in apt-get?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: I personally find the gnome way of doing thngs frustrating at times...
[08:46] <tritium> JDigital, what about rates?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: no, unfortunately - I compiled mine
[08:46] <albi1>  IneedSOMEhelp_, look under gnome-menu: computer->desktop settings, ther should be something like prefered applications or so (sorry my gnome is german :-P ...
[08:46] <JDigital> It doesn't appear to list refresh rates at all
[08:46] <tritium> JDigital, did you check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for errors?
[08:47] <ebone> do you guys ever find the Dependencies reported by apt-get to be perplexing ?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: there is a debian deb for it though (in sid)
[08:47] <IneedSOMEhelp_> albi1: thats what i NOT ment :P hehe but thanks anyway
[08:48] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic: i found rox-filer and i have installed it now.. i will check now :)
[08:48] <tritium> JDigital, it may be that you need to manaully specify HorizSync and VertRefresh for your monitor.
[08:48] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: you can do it in the gconf editor - but it isn't user friendly
[08:49] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: read the docs - it's a bit confusing at first
[08:49] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: but it's an excellent file manager
[08:50] <BockBilbo> im back
[08:50] <BockBilbo> tritium, any advance?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: right click and choose "set run action"
[08:50] <albi1>  IneedSOMEhelp_, the other way could be in nautilus: right click and select "open with" and then other applications (or so...)
[08:50] <unbuntu|n00b> i just finished installing unbuntu (i guess the first step) but when it boots it hangs on the "Setting the System clock using the hardware clock as reference..." Any ideas ?
[08:50] <Climber> JDigital: You should verify that the settings for your Monitor in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 are correct.
[08:51] <tritium> BockBilbo, no
[08:51] <Climber> JDigital: As a last try, you could use modelines - there is some web page from nvidia that generates modelines
[08:51] <JDigital>         HorizSync       30-60
[08:51] <JDigital>         VertRefresh     50-75
[08:51] <BockBilbo> the script dint work?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> albi1. IneedSOMEhelp_, indeed I forgot you can set apps in the properties dialog in nautilus
[08:52] <tritium> JDigital, do those match your monitor specs?
[08:52] <JDigital> Might do. I've had it running 1024*768@85Hz no problem in Windows.
[08:52] <rel> oke, whats the difference between "linux-image-2.6.10-3-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on AMD K8." and "linux-image-2.6.10-3-amd64-generic - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on x86_64."? The description of the first one, doesnt mention 64bit, while the same package of version 2.6.9 does. Is this a typo? And are these sources patched by ubuntu patches, as these patches have their own package.
[08:52] <JDigital> which is why I'm wondering if I need to update some drivers
[08:53] <BockBilbo> brb
[08:53] <tritium> JDigital, what is your monitor capable of?
[08:53] <IneedSOMEhelp_> thoreauputic, albil: thanks :) i got it now, and it works :) but where and how can i make irc:// links open xchat and make it connect to the server and join the channel like mirc does on windoZe?
[08:54] <JDigital> 1024*768@85Hz, resolutions up to maybe 1280*something at 60Hz
[08:54] <JDigital> or so I think, anyway.
[08:54] <tritium> JDigital, I mean the rates
[08:54] <JDigital> I know it can do better than 60Hz at 1024
[08:54] <tritium> JDigital, i.e., are those rates you pasted above right?
[08:55] <tritium> AndyR, get it working yet?
[08:55] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: for Xchat I don't know - but if you install the chatzilla extension for firefox you can use irc://  bookmarks for the same purpose
[08:55] <JDigital> I'm not entirely sure. They don't seem particularly inaccurate
[08:55] <tritium> JDigital, you should find out the specs of your monitor.
[08:56] <JDigital> I can't just set it to 75Hz and hope for the best?
[08:56] <Cookies> hi what version of kernel is on in latest ubuntu realise?
[08:57] <tritium> JDigital, that's not advisable
[08:57] <tritium> Cookies, 2.6.10
[08:57] <rel> comcor, 2.6.10 here
[08:57] <thoreauputic> IneedSOMEhelp_: also in firefox clicking a link for an unknown protocol usually brings up a dialogue asking what app you want to use
[08:57] <Cookies> thanks
[08:57] <AndyR> tritium, yes working fine, thank you greatly
[08:58] <tritium> AndyR, no problem.
[08:58] <comfrey_> any quick tips on running vnc without a local head.  spawning its own X session?
[08:58] <INRSboy> question: how can i add stuff to the menu ?
[08:58] <tritium> Okay, I'm takig off.  See you all later.
[08:58] <JDigital> Drag it on?
[08:58] <JDigital> The thing is that I've run it in Windows at 1024*768 at 60Hz, 72Hz, 75Hz and 85Hz without problems.
[08:58] <rel> tritium,  bye
[08:58] <tritium> rel, so you later, buddy
[08:59] <INRSboy> ok ?!
[08:59] <comfrey_> it is possible i believe, but i think it is an x.org thing
[08:59] <comfrey_> may not be in warty
[08:59] <INRSboy> question: how can i add stuff to the application menu ?
[09:00] <ficusplanet> INRSboy: Warty or Hoary?
[09:00] <Jeremy_D> hello everyone and good morning from australia!
[09:00] <INRSboy> Warty
[09:00] <comfrey> INRSboy: right click and add to menu
[09:00] <thoreauputic> INRSboy: right click at the end of a submenu, choose whole menu. add a launher for your app
[09:00] <ficusplanet> INRSboy: Right click in the menu and choice to add a new item.
[09:00] <rel> INRSboy, gnome? guess this not possible/easy thing
[09:00] <thoreauputic> *launcher
[09:00] <INRSboy> ok thanks
[09:00] <thoreauputic> rel, yes, it's quite easy
[09:01] <Jeremy_D> i have added new packages/applications to my ubuntu system, but i cant find them anywhere, any ideas anyone?
[09:01] <Climber> Jeremy_D: Start synaptic and do a search in that program
[09:02] <Jeremy_D> Climber, and then what?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: and/or just type the name of the app in a terminal to launch it
[09:02] <warty> hola
[09:02] <Jeremy_D> Climber, all that will tell me is if its been installed?
[09:02] <Jeremy_D> hmm
[09:02] <rel> thoreauputic, strange, out of the "whole menu" I can only select to add the submenu or the selected to my panel
[09:02] <ebone> couple of questions ...
[09:02] <warty> estoy intenrando instalar ubunru
[09:02] <warty> y se me keda colgado
[09:02] <Jeremy_D> okay.. ill try that
[09:03] <thoreauputic> rel, try (in nautilus) : ctrl -L ; applications:///
[09:03] <ebone> Is there anyway to have apt tell you WHERE a package is coming from before installing ?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> ebone: apt-cache policy <package>
[09:04] <thoreauputic> ebone: should tell you if its in "universe" or whatever
[09:04] <Climber> Jeremy_D: It's right-click and properties, then "installed files"
[09:05] <ebone> ohh ... cool
[09:05] <Jeremy_D> Climber, where in synaptic?
[09:05] <rel> thoreauputic, it cant find that path. but oke.. no need to change menustructure for now :)
[09:05] <ebone> thoreauputic: what would be cool is this ....
[09:06] <thoreauputic> rel: this is hoary, am I right?
[09:06] <ebone> have apt-get print out all that info before you install ...
[09:06] <rel> thoreauputic, yes
[09:06] <ebone> it would be nice to know what all is getting done ...
[09:06] <thoreauputic> rel, I think it's changed in the latest gnome.
[09:07] <ebone> I wonder if one could "script" an apt-get wrapper that does this ?
[09:07] <Jeremy_D> how do i know which version of gnome i have?
[09:07] <rel> thoreauputic, what doesn't change in gnome :D
[09:07] <ebone> Jeremy: dpkg -l "gnome*"
[09:07] <thoreauputic> ebone: before apt-getting, do  apt-cache search <keyword> then apt-cache show or apt-cache policy (or just look in synaptic)
[09:08] <ebone> that's what i do now.
[09:08] <ebone> but it's a bit of a pain ...
[09:08] <thoreauputic> rel: blame havoc - everyone else does ;)
[09:08] <ebone> cause apt-get is always pulling in other stuff too ...
[09:08] <ebone> i would think a nifty "wrapper" script may be able to print all this out ...
[09:08] <thoreauputic> ebone : apt-cache depends is another
[09:09] <rel> rel,  yes.. that dude is wicked. I already blame him for that "reduced recource" option for metacity.. actually or that ugly minimize effect
[09:09] <ebone> Just a one shot deal ... you know ....
[09:10] <thoreauputic> ebone: there's an excellent apt-howto on debian.org - in fact I think you can apt-get the howto as well
[09:10] <Climber> Does anybody know how to activate fonts that are installed, but not selectable by default, like Helvetica?
[09:10] <Jeremy_D> is there a special folder where new packages are installed?
[09:11] <Jeremy_D> so i can take a look at all of the new ones i have installed :oP
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: no, not as such
[09:11] <Jeremy_D> well isnt that bad :P
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: mostof the binaries land in /usr/bin though
[09:11] <Jeremy_D> well i have loved ubuntu up until now... arg
[09:11] <Jeremy_D> okay ill take a look there, thanks :)
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: no it isn't bad - its *nix ;)
[09:11] <Gul3> hello, where can i get hoary install fresh isos?
[09:12] <Gul3> ehrm, where can i download hoary isos
[09:12] <Gul3> ?
[09:12] <Gul3> :)
[09:12] <rel> Gul3, see topic
[09:12] <thoreauputic> Jeremy_D: the config files are mostly in /etc
[09:12] <Gul3> thanks! lol
[09:14] <cg0def> does anyone know how well ubuntu works on amd64?
[09:14] <cg0def> should I just use 32bit packages or give 64  a try?
[09:15] <edulix> hey has someone seen ktoon ? it's like macromedia flash palyer but gpl ! but a .deb for is still lacking :)
[09:15] <rel> cg0def, with hoary it all works perfectly here
[09:16] <cg0def> nice
[09:16] <cg0def> when is the stable version of hoary supposed to come out
[09:16] <vjaz_> april
[09:17] <vjaz_> the releases are made every six months
[09:17] <cg0def> yeah I know
[09:17] <cg0def> but wasn't sure when the previous one came out :)
[09:18] <Gul3> 4.10 = four for 2004, ten for october?
[09:18] <cg0def> there's something else I have been using debian so far and I am probably going to move to ubuntu because it's better suted for desktops (debian unstable has problems with lash media and stuff)
[09:18] <cg0def> is there anythign that I should know before I switch
[09:19] <cg0def> like any significan differences
[09:19] <cg0def> Gul3: thanks for the info did not know that
[09:19] <vjaz_> Gul3, I didn't know that either and was wondering about it. Thanks.
[09:19] <vjaz_> That also explains why Hoary is 5.04
[09:20] <BockBilbo> im back
[09:20] <cg0def> so Hoary would be 5.04?
[09:20] <vjaz_> Isn't that 7 months though?
[09:20] <Gul3> yes
[09:20] <BockBilbo> where is tritium?
[09:20] <Gul3> 11 12 1 2 3 4
[09:20] <Gul3> no
[09:21] <vjaz_> Hm... Yeah, you're right. My bad.
[09:21] <Gul3> my little secret. i did not know either, it's just a guess but it seems right
[09:21] <ewf345> can someone help me with an installation problem?
[09:21] <rel> hmm, there arnt any linux-sources for amd64
[09:21] <vjaz_> It has to be right. I don't know how they could had announced Hoary's version number otherwise.
[09:21] <thoreauputic> ewf345: hard to say until you ask the question ;)
[09:21] <ewf345> Hoary Array-5
[09:21] <ewf345> My installation is stuck on "Creating device node /dev/raw1394"
[09:21] <ewf345> This also happened in previous releases.
[09:21] <ewf345> Any help would be really appreciated.
[09:21] <ewf345> Thanks
[09:21] <vjaz_> And also I don't see how they could had missed versions 1-3.
[09:22] <BockBilbo> crimsun, do you know where tritium go?
[09:22] <vjaz_> I guess it's kind of like Gentoo's versioning, but even better.
[09:22] <rel> BockBilbo, he left :)
[09:22] <BockBilbo> :s
[09:22] <BockBilbo> rel, did he fix the problem?
[09:22] <Gul3> vjaz_: yeah.
[09:22] <bas> ewf345, strange.. try disabling Firewire/IEEE1394 support in a 'expert install'
[09:23] <rel> BockBilbo, whitch problem?
[09:23] <BockBilbo> the problem with polypaudio
[09:23] <BockBilbo> i think you also had it
[09:23] <ewf345> ok thanks ill try that
[09:23] <BockBilbo> that it doens work fine when loging in a new session
[09:24] <rel> oh, I didnt follow that discussion. my audio works fine here.. just for the many messagelog entries it generates
[09:24] <vjaz_> http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/linuxbeat3.htm
[09:24] <feliXDZ> hello
[09:24] <BockBilbo> rel, do you use polypaudio or esound?
[09:24] <vjaz_> hm, oops
[09:24] <rel> BockBilbo, on hoary. using polyaudio
[09:24] <vjaz_> wrong channel, but you can read that too, it's funny
[09:25] <rel> BockBilbo, but i remember chocolate mentioning about a workaround
[09:25] <Jeremy_D> wow armagetron is pretty good :) better than i expected
[09:25] <Jeremy_D> :)
[09:25] <BockBilbo> rel,  and does it work fine after restarting a session???
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > > 1) Set all apps to use EsounD output;
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > > 2) polypaudio -k
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > > 3) polypaudio -nF /etc/polypaudio/default.pa
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > > 4) Desktop>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Sink>ESD>Test
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> > >    should now work
[09:25] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, that doesnt work
[09:25] <JDigital> Can someone tell me how to 1) quit X, or 2) get Windows back because now it boots straight to Linux :)
[09:25] <feliXDZ> I have an official ubuntu live cd but it won't boot on a Dell Inspiron 5000
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 1) System>Preferences>Sound: uncheck (disable) the option "Enable sound
[09:25] <Tsjoklat>    server startup"
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 2) click Close
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 3) System>Log Out: check (enable) the option "Save current setup"
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 4) click Ok
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 5) log back in
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 6) repeat step [1] , only this time check (enable) the option "Enable
[09:25] <Tsjoklat>    sound server startup"
[09:25] <Tsjoklat> 7) click Close
[09:26] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, thanks... but is not it
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> still searching for more BockBilbo
[09:26] <BockBilbo> who, me?
[09:26] <vi11e> hey how do I run a.out c++ compiled file in terminal?
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> BockBilbo, no me :)
[09:26] <rel> BockBilbo, is your nick the same as chocolate? It is in my native language :P
[09:27] <rel> i mean Tsjoklat
[09:27] <BockBilbo> rel, whats your native language? russian?
[09:27] <rel> hehe, no.
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> rel yes
[09:27] <rel> I mean Tsjoklat
[09:27] <rel> my native lang is morrocan
[09:27] <Vjaz> Dutch?
[09:27] <BockBilbo> oh
[09:27] <feliXDZ> Is there a set of cheatcodes for ubuntu like knoppix?
[09:27] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> it is Dutch yes
[09:28] <CarlK> will options in /etc/modules.conf be used?
[09:28] <vi11e> hey how do I run a.out c++ compiled file in terminal?
[09:28] <rel> Vjaz, in dutch it is chokolade
[09:28] <BockBilbo> i didnt know you guys also write using occidental letters
[09:28] <evarlast> vi11e: . is not in your path, run as ./a.out
[09:28] <vi11e> ahh
[09:28] <vi11e> thank you
[09:28] <BockBilbo> i was in morroco once,
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> Tjoklat was a brand of a Dutch chocolate maker
[09:29] <BockBilbo> in tangier
[09:29] <CarlK> vi11e - you may need to make it execuatable
[09:29] <BockBilbo> im expecting to go back, i liked it
[09:29] <vi11e> hmm, I used to manage to run it just with that ./
[09:29] <vi11e> but now it just doesn't do it
[09:29] <rel> Tsjoklat, that must be ages ago.. I only know verkade
[09:29] <ewf345> i dont see anything I can disable in the expert install there is only kernel modules none of which say 1394 and hardware detection only mentions a floppy drive
[09:29] <Tsjoklat> rel Droste.. was from Indonesia
[09:29] <rel> BockBilbo, nice.. you should then visit the south
[09:29] <ewf345> the live cd works fine though...
[09:29] <Echylo> how to restart X-server after installing nvidia drivers?
[09:30] <BockBilbo> i will when i have the money
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> rel before WWII
[09:30] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:30] <JDigital> No, how to quit it so that I can install the drivers
[09:30] <OrangeSlice> ctrl-alt-backspace?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:30] <rel> Tsjoklat, jeeez.. man you that old?
[09:30] <vi11e> hmm now it works...
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> rel woman please
[09:30] <rel> hehe
[09:30] <rel> yes dear
[09:30] <BockBilbo> i visited tangier cause i usually spend some time in cadiz, spain... and tangier is just about 1h 30 min from gibraltar by ship
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> rel no.. my grandmother use to have tin cans of that brand in her house..
[09:31] <rel> Tsjoklat, I see. nostalgic memories :) always nice to have
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> rel yes.. in honor of her I use this nick :) (plus I am addicted to chocolate)
[09:32] <JDigital> okay, ctrl-alt-backspace just brings me to the login screen
[09:32] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, we all are chocolate addicts
[09:32] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:32] <rel> BockBilbo, I have never been in Tangiers, most of the other towns I did. I dont feel home in those crowded morrocan city's
[09:32] <JDigital> cities
[09:32] <thoreauputic> JDigital: yes - you need to do /etc/init.d/gdm stop as root (sudo in other words)
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> BockBilbo, that's all you need in life most of the time :)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> JDigital: that should produce a satisfying blackness for you ;)
[09:33] <rel> JDigital, sorry :) my dutch is bad i know
[09:33] <JDigital> Hehe
[09:33] <JDigital> With like a command line, though, right?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> JDigital: yes. you type your login and password
[09:34] <JDigital> ok
[09:34] <thoreauputic> to get back to gdm, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:35] <BockBilbo> brb
[09:36] <rel> hmm, well
[09:36] <rel> does someone know if linux-sources for am64 exist?
[09:37] <netmonk> how can I make a daemon start every time I start Ubuntu?
[09:37] <thoreauputic> rel, why would the sources be different? Wouldn't you just compile them?
[09:37] <thoreauputic> netmonk: use update-rc.d
[09:38] <rel> thoreauputic, was thinking they would contain amd64 specific patches
[09:38] <BockBilbo> im back
[09:38] <netmonk> thoreauputic, how?
[09:38] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, im gonna give up with polypaudio
[09:38] <BockBilbo> im back to esound...
[09:39] <Tsjoklat> BockBilbo, can you do that?
[09:39] <BockBilbo> Tsjoklat, what? go back to esound?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> netmonk: erm... read the man page: it isn't difficult
[09:39] <Tsjoklat> BockBilbo, yes
[09:39] <BockBilbo> yes