[00:33] <tomreyn> https://firefoxgraphics.github.io/telemetry/#view=linux
[00:36] <tomreyn> 6.4% using nouveau
[00:44] <mamarley> webrender/mesa-iris represent!  I am the 0.1%!
[00:48] <tomreyn> :)
[00:50] <tomreyn> threaded rendering coming to firefox on linux in 2020 (according to plans) https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/have-you-tested-webrender/16137 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/Quantum_Render
[00:51] <tomreyn> i can actually load this page https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html on 71.0 with gfx.webrender.enabled=true
[00:52] <tomreyn> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/WebRender_Where#Linux
[00:52] <mamarley> I've found if you have a 4K display, you pretty much need to have at least OpenGL compositing enabled in order for Firefox to scroll at 60FPS.  Otherwise it drops to 30, which I find unusable.
[00:53] <tomreyn> well, at least it still works ;-)
[00:53] <tomreyn> try loading the emoji list on standard 71
[00:55] <mamarley> It loads here, but if I scroll with any speed at all, the rendering can't keep up and it whites out temporarily.
[00:56] <tomreyn> oh, actually it works. cough, ad blocker, cough.
[00:56] <mamarley> With WebRender on, it still whites out a little bit if I scroll very fast, but the performance is noticeably better.
[00:57] <tomreyn> same, here
[00:58] <tomreyn> i guess this page would benefit a lot of the code path webrendEST enables, but this doesn't seem to be in 71, yet
[01:00] <tomreyn> amd rx580 here
[01:00] <mamarley> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1425260 seems to indicate that gfx.webrender.all does the same thing now.
[01:00] <mamarley> (If I'm understanding this correctly.)
[01:02] <tomreyn> wow, this is fast!
[01:04] <tomreyn> it even works with my addons this way. and it doesn't munch too much ram.
[01:04] <tomreyn> no white during scrolling for me now


[03:28] <bazhang> darkangel seems to be 98% chat 2% support
[03:34] <goddard> ikonia:
[03:38] <IdleOne> goddard: Can we help you?
[03:39] <goddard> IdleOne: nah
[03:40] <IdleOne> Then please don't idle in this channel.
[03:40] <IdleOne> if you want you can send ikonia a PM and he will answer when he is at his computer
[03:40] <IdleOne> thank you.
[09:57] <bazhang> we need a -dentistry channel to bf to
[09:58] <bazhang> if there's more than one "DONT WORK" the bot does it
[10:00] <DJones> If they won't answer questions, you can'y give much help
[10:09] <bazhang> aye
[10:09] <bazhang> I read that as "cannae"
 <<<<mrb_hoşgeldin_tatlı_melek<<<<<<             what is this?
[13:13] <Myrtti> turkish
[13:13] <Myrtti> from the quick look
[13:14] <k1l> yeah, but my turkish is not that good :)
[13:14] <Myrtti> ah, I was even right
[13:15] <Myrtti> "Welcome to the sweet angel mrb"
[13:16] <Corey> Wee!
[15:21] <chu> Not sure how everyone feels about this, but I'm pretty sure it's going for the "pushing-the-boundary" interpretation: [00:09] *** fsckoff<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined channel #ubuntu-offtopic - I'm going to ask him politely to change his nickname in a private query.
[15:24] <IdleOne> ok
[15:25]  * Pici doesn't have a problem with it personally
[15:28] <chu> Well, I sent him a query.
[15:30] <IdleOne> if they aren't being a problem. I would let it go.
[15:30] <chu> Yeah, as long as they don't draw attention to it. I'm fine with it. I imagine most users have JOINs hidden, so I doubt many would have seen him come in
[15:33] <DJones> Asking them change the nick would probbaly result in comments about getting the app's name change
[16:07] <Flannel> I agree with the "if theyre not being a problem..." but the counter to that argument DJones is that the "... off" changes the context.
[16:10] <IdleOne> changes it to an away nick
[16:40] <DJones> At the end of the day, in most cases its not what the words are commonly taken to say, as to what the user is actually saying
[16:41] <DJones> And thats where operator experience comes in to play
[18:03] <bazhang> we also need a -complaints-dept
[18:08] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu sudobash<EMAIL_ADDRESS>insane offtopic rant, refusal to desist
[18:09] <k1l> already commented on the kick in bantracker
[18:09] <bazhang> worthy of another mark; if enough build up the bot will instaban
[18:09] <bazhang> he joined to have the last word, post remove
[18:10] <genii> I'm imagining now #ubuntu-complaints  with just an eliza-bot to keep the complainers going
[18:11] <bazhang> and it's a rant completely without merit; install gnome-shell (or whatever else) and continue on
[19:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> heyo, some user nicked Ipil sent me an invite to a racist forum with various slurs towards african americans
[19:01] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, ok thanks
[19:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> bazhang: seems he's spamming it, another one in #ubuntu just got it.
[19:03] <bazhang> ntzrmtthihu777, yes, thanks. its being looked at by staff now as well
[19:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> kk, thanks guys. later
[19:20] <k1l> ipil just -lined. good timing when he just joined the german support channel
[19:20] <k1l> k-lined
[19:21] <bazhang> yep PMed staff about him and poof
[20:25] <k1l> asks for zypper and says ubuntu is gay. who did see that comming?
[20:26] <bazhang> YAST is better
[21:09] <rscnt> sync
[21:09] <rscnt> with
[21:09] <rscnt> precius
[21:10] <k1l> ?
[21:11] <k1l> rscnt: can we help you?
[21:29] <ikonia> rscnt: you're talking in other channels, could you please respond here too ?
[21:34] <ikonia> rscnt: hello
[21:35] <rscnt> ikonia: hellouw
[21:35] <ikonia> hello there
[21:36] <ikonia> I assume you're trying to get into #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[21:37] <rscnt> ikonia: no it's ok here.
[21:37] <ikonia> sorry - this isn't a channel for you to idle in
[21:37] <ikonia> so unless you need something such as discussing your bans in #ubuntu-offtopic, we request you leave so that others can get support if needed
[21:37] <rscnt> ikonia: oh, why?
[21:37] <ikonia> rscnt: it's detailed in the topic as well as my comments
[21:38] <ikonia> (hence why I removed your earlier)
[21:39] <ikonia> so we can either a.) discuss and resolve your ban b.) I can remove the ban forward from #ubuntu-offtopic and change it to a straight ban until you are ready to resolve it
[21:39] <ikonia> which option would you like ?
[21:40] <rscnt> ikonia: ah no it's ok, leave the things like this. sorry
[21:41] <rscnt> ikonia: so i have to go now ?
[21:41] <ikonia> ok, please part the channel
[21:41] <ikonia> yes.
[21:41] <ikonia> (please)
[21:41] <rscnt> ikonia: ok, sorry
[21:41] <ikonia> no problem.
[21:41] <ikonia> take care.
[21:41] <rscnt> ikonia: same.
[21:42] <rscnt> ikonia: i admire you now
[21:42] <knome> huh?


[00:34] <Paladine> it is installing :)
[03:42] <MythbuntuGuest84> hey how long does it typically take on a 160GB IDE Hard Drive to install mythbuntu?
[03:43] <hads> No idea but it would depends on the other specifications of your system too.
[03:43] <MythbuntuGuest84> hrm. seems to be stuck at 5% of the ext3 file system
[03:47] <cMclearn> there. mIRC is easier for me
[03:47] <cMclearn> so what is average for an install time?
[03:47] <cMclearn> and what should i look at with the install being stuck at 5%?
[03:49] <hads> How lobg is "stuck"?
[03:49] <hads> erm, long
[03:49] <cMclearn> been sitting on 5% for... 20 mins?
[03:50] <hads> SOunds like too long for 160GB
[03:51] <cMclearn> yeah. i kinda figured.
[04:37] <Paladine> is it just me or has xmltv been removed from the latest mythbuntu?
[04:38] <tgm4883> Paladine, IIRC, you have to select to install it
[04:38] <Paladine> when I go into video source even though I have run tv_grab_uk_rt --configure and moved the .conf file from ~/.xmltv to ~/.mythtv it is still not picking it up in mythtv setup
[04:39] <Paladine> it only gives me SchedulesDirect, EIT or No Grabber
[04:39] <Paladine> tgm4883 at which point do I "select to install it"?
[04:46] <hads> Do you have xmltv installed?
[04:47] <hads> tv_find_grabbers or whatever it's called is required.
[04:47] <tgm4883> Paladine, I believe you select to install it during install.  You can install it with apt though
[04:48] <Paladine> it is already installed
[04:48] <Paladine> but I can't get mythtv-setup to see it
[04:49] <Paladine> mythtv-setup is only seeing the US paid service or EIT
[04:56] <hads> Check the logs of mythtv-setup
[04:57] <hads> Run tv_find_grabbers from the command line.
[05:04] <rhpot1991> hads: you might be interested in this: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/12/nvidia-ion-platform-gets-demonstrated-at-ces/
[05:06] <hads> rhpot1991: Yeah cheers, saw the link already :)
[05:07] <hads> Looks sweet
[05:17] <Paladine> hads it still isn;t working it just sees DataDirect this is driving me nuts
[05:17] <Paladine> tv_find_grabbers finds the UK RT grabber
[05:18] <Paladine> I run the grabber and it generates the file
[05:18] <Paladine> but I can't get mythtv-setup or mythfilldatabase to use it
[05:18] <hads> Check the logs of mythtv-setup
[05:21] <Paladine> where are those logs?
[05:21] <hads> Run it from the command line
[05:25] <Paladine> "tv_find_grabbers exited early or we timed out waiting"
[05:25] <Paladine> anyway to change that timeout?
[05:27] <hads> Not sure.
[05:29] <erb_> im trying to tunnel my entire GUI (x, mythfrontend, etc) on my laptop so i dont have to plug in a keyboard to the box to do somethings
[05:29] <erb_> not sure which processes to kill
[05:29] <erb_> and then the command to run to start the xfce back up
[05:32] <erb_> never mind
[05:32] <erb_> startxfce4 worked fine
[05:32] <erb_> without killing anything
[05:36] <Paladine> ok the only way I could get it to find the tv_grab script for UK was to rm all the other grab scripts from /usr/bin
[14:35] <khunt> does anyone here have an imon LCD?
[14:36] <uli_> while trying to configure my backend setup, my DVB card (technisat skystar 2) doesn't get found (at least i suppose that, i'm getting that message:  http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9936/screenshotra3.png) though in lspci it does show up, anyone got some ideas?
[14:41] <khunt> http://pastebin.ca/1307262
[14:42] <khunt> any ideas?
[14:54] <ulgu> someone usinf Hauppage wintv nova-s plus with interpid?
[14:56] <ulgu> I have Problems to set the right card in mythtv server setup. It seems to work outside mythtv!
[15:56] <uli__> !help
[15:56] <Zinn> !help Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[17:12] <Lokiasee> hello, I have mounted an external folder in /home/test and I filled in in mythbuntu that my movie files are in /home/test, but it gives "no movies".... why????
[17:15] <tgm4883_laptop> Lokiasee, either A) you didn't scan for movies, or B) mythtv doesn't have permissions to look in that folder
[17:16] <Lokiasee> how do I do A???
[17:17] <tgm4883_laptop> in the frontend, you go to Setup > mythvideo > scan for movies (or somethinglike that)
[17:18] <tgm4883_laptop> Setup > Video Manager
[17:19] <Lokiasee> I dont find that ....
[17:19] <tgm4883_laptop> which part?  Setup,   or Video Manager?
[17:20] <Lokiasee> Setup i can find
[17:20] <Lokiasee> than it says: general, appearence, screen setup, tv settings, media setting, info center, phone settings, mythbuntu
[17:21] <tgm4883_laptop> go up a level
[17:22] <Lokiasee> to where?
[17:22] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, what screen are you at now
[17:23] <Lokiasee> main: watch tv, media lib, manage rec, info center, optical disks, utils/setp
[17:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[17:23] <tgm4883_laptop> go into utils/setup
[17:24] <Lokiasee> their I find: music tools, video manager, edit keys, setup, mythbuntu logs
[17:24] <tgm4883_laptop> does video manager look familiar?
[17:24] <tgm4883_laptop> (you need to go into video manager)
[17:25] <Lokiasee> aah crap
[17:25] <Lokiasee> you are right
[17:25] <Lokiasee> :p
[17:25] <tgm4883_laptop> I usually am ;)
[17:27] <Lokiasee> tx a lot
[17:28] <uli__> while trying to configure my backend server (using the mythtv-setup) in the second step my DVB card (technisat skystar 2) doesn't get found. (at least i suppose that, i'm getting that message http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9936/screenshotra3.png though in lspci it shows up...
[17:28] <tgm4883_laptop> np
[17:32] <tgm4883_laptop> uli_, I don't know about your card, but if I had to guess, you are missing firmware
[17:34] <Lokiasee> ok, now I can watch video's but they are not playing perfectly, like they need to load the whole movie.... how can I help this?
[17:38] <tgm4883_laptop> Lokiasee, what kind of movies
[17:39] <Lokiasee> its now mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s as video player, how do I cange this to vlc? I think vlc is faster to play?
[17:41] <Lokiasee> ?
[17:43] <tgm4883_laptop> google mythtv vlc
[17:53] <Lokiasee> movies that are on my NAS. I will now test it on another pc
[18:01] <uli__> (the not working DVB Card) it used to work yesterday... but suddenly when i tried to scan for the channels a new window appeared and the scan progress bar didnt move. so i went back to the capture cards step and then i recognized it wasnt working anymore...
[18:19] <nomad_cz> Hi. Is it possible to use Mythbuntu as a live CD ? I mean without installing backend at all - everything from CD. Thanks.
[18:25] <tgm4883_laptop> nomad_cz, no, live cd is frontend only
[18:25] <nomad_cz> tgm4883_laptop:  I see. Thanks.
[18:42] <Nixon> hey, what's a digital/analog pci capture card that will pretty much just work plug and play with mythtv? is usb better? I've googled, and tested, have a hauppauge 1800 but it only does digital, analog is broken
[18:43] <Nixon> I want 3 more capture devices in my machine and just can't seem to find anything that says this is the one to get
[18:43] <Nixon> would prefer dual tuners digital/analog
[18:51] <Nixon> let me ask this another way? I want 2 digital tuners, and 3 svideo audio inputs, what's the best way to go about that?
[19:02] <Nixon> how about a link to some information that isn't from 2004?
[19:02] <Shadow_M> Nixon, you could do 2 hvr1600s then just look for one for svideo
[19:03] <Nixon> does the 1600 work cleanly, what I've seen said like not explicitly supported
[19:04] <Nixon> I was going to buy one, but everytime I read another article I get scared off.. LOL, what do you use?
[19:04] <Nixon> the research is burning me out quickly
[19:05] <Shadow_M> i have 2 hvr1600  my friend has 2
[19:06] <Nixon> did you have to do any setup? or was it easy, compile a kernel?
[19:06] <Shadow_M> lol and they work on mythtv and they work otb in 8.10
[19:06] <Nixon> now your talking my language! so they i stick one of those in and they are completely recognised by 8.10
[19:07] <Shadow_M> in mythtv on mythbuntu 8.10 itll work
[19:07] <Shadow_M> lol
[19:07] <Nixon> that's what I'm running
[19:08] <Nixon> finally someone to tell me what to do... I've had that card in a shopping cart on 6 different occasions
[19:08] <Nixon> ty
[19:08] <Nixon> does the remote work?
[19:08] <Shadow_M> well i have a server running 10 and one running .04 and 4  needs alittle more setup but 10 is detected
[19:09] <Shadow_M> i got the mce edition so its a mce remote its well worth it
[19:09] <Nixon> ok good deal,  that was the one I was stearing towards before
[19:09] <tgm4883_laptop> Shadow_M, may I remind you that there is a 7.10 and an 8.10
[19:10] <Shadow_M> but in  our convo we where talking about 8 series i am on a n810 numbers need alittlwe more typing tgm4883_laptop
[19:10] <tgm4883_laptop> I stand corrected then
[19:10] <tgm4883_laptop> carry on
[19:10]  * Nixon is a fairly new install, fired it up about a week before christmas, now I want to finish it
[19:12] <Shadow_M> no its fine i do agree with you tgm4883_laptop  its just the whole not a real keyboard thing i do love th n810 though if you dont know what it is its a small device roguhly a pda size that runs maemo linux which is based on debian it can even run ubuntu
[19:12] <Shadow_M> nixon well if there are more questions fire away
[19:13] <Nixon> probably not today with questions, my real questions were involving finding the input cards to complete the install
[19:14] <Nixon> well there is one more, can you think of a reason to not use the analog 6 channel output from the sound card to drive amps for speakers?
[19:14] <Nixon> just do away with the stereo receiver
[19:16] <Nixon> I haven't really seen where a mythbuntu box has been used as an a/v receiver
[19:16] <Nixon> is that like a no no?
[19:17] <tgm4883_laptop> well I haven't done any research on that myself, but I would think you would get much better sound quality using a receiver
[19:17] <Nixon> why?
[19:17] <tgm4883_laptop> also, you might not be able to get the sound loud enough from your mythbox
[19:17] <tgm4883_laptop> because you receiver has an amplifier
[19:18] <tgm4883_laptop> unless you have powered speakers
[19:18] <Nixon> well... no. no I currently have a 5 channel amp and a pre amp av receiver
[19:19] <Nixon> so I was going to trash the pre amp a/v receiver as it's dolby surround sound era, mono rear
[19:19] <Nixon> and a powered sub
[19:19] <Nixon> I can't think of a reason why I can't do this, but I haven't found it done on google
[19:19] <tgm4883_laptop> I think you are better off buying a new receiver
[19:19] <Nixon> is there something bad?
[19:20] <tgm4883_laptop> if you do that, you will need powered speakers
[19:20] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't know your setup, so I can't really comment on that
[19:20] <Nixon> I have a standalone amp 5 channel what is that brand, uhhh adcom
[19:20]  * tgm4883_laptop shrugs
[19:21] <tgm4883_laptop> see if it works?
[19:21]  * tgm4883_laptop has to run to work now
[19:21] <tgm4883_laptop> !brainstorm
[19:21] <Zinn> Have an idea?  Submit it here and see what other people think  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu
[19:21] <Nixon> well thanks for the input, I think I am just too tired to explain myself today
[19:26] <Nixon> what's wrong with the ubuntu website today, it's slow, the forums are down etc?
[19:27] <m4f0x> Hello!  Is there anyone here currently using MythUbuntu to stream live TV?
[20:09] <MythbuntuGuest79> !nick bigjuan
[20:09] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about nick bigjuan
[20:09] <MythbuntuGuest79> oops
[20:10] <MythbuntuGuest79> Hey, I've got an odd question...running mythbuntu 8.10.  Whenever the box boots, firefox and console both open.  I can close them without issue, but I'd rather not have them load automatically.  I've checked the autorun programs from the menu (where it'll load the network daemon, restricted drivers, etc) and neither program are listed.
[20:10] <MythbuntuGuest79> Any ideas?
[20:30] <Shadow_M> i love when people quit before they hear something
[20:41] <Enox> Can anyone assist me with a problem watching live TV with a HVR-1600?  I'm getting "Not ivtv driver???" MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout - ivtv driver has stopped responding
[20:57] <neoneddy> I bought that card..  It hen took it back for the
[20:58] <neoneddy> err.. for a dual tuner card I forget the number.. iwant to say 350
[20:58] <neoneddy> I use an HD homerun for the HD content
[21:10] <Shadow_M> enox what os do you have
[21:11] <Shadow_M> i  have 2 of those cards and they work
[21:12] <Shadow_M> the problem your having sounds like the problem that i have with he hvr 1800
[22:58] <Lokiase> hello all, when I choose Internal to play my movies it goes fine, when I choose vlc or another it does not play well... BUT no subtitles or big screen when I choose internal, how can I fix it?
[22:59] <Paladine> well for anyone who is interested I have mythtbackend running on my tiny little HP 5700 Thin Client :)
[22:59] <Paladine> T5700
[23:01] <Lokiase> hello all, when I choose Internal to play my movies it goes fine, when I choose vlc or another it does not play well... BUT no subtitles or big screen when I choose internal, how can I fix it?


[04:53] <hotmanta> Hello, I found a problem with mythbuntu AMD64 repos today, caused mythweb package removal, I had to install older mythweb manually to fix.
[04:54] <tgm4883> hotmanta, thanks for the heads up, launchpad is backed up again so I'll need to halt the builds
[04:57] <tgm4883> it should resolve itself in about 6 hours
[05:25] <hotmanta> Thanks tgm4883 for your advice, I hope it doesn't cause too may problems for others.
[06:24] <yuki-onna> how do i get the back end to release the tuner card so the front end can use it
[19:33] <tgm4883> amejia, ping
[19:34] <amejia> tgm4883: pong
[19:34] <tgm4883> amejia, sorry to bug you, but you're more familiar with the packaging than I am
[19:34] <tgm4883> so you know why we aren't building for arm?
[19:35] <tgm4883> superm1, and Daviey don't seem to be around
[19:45] <amejia> tgm4883: just checked debian/control file
[19:46] <amejia> tgm4883: we don't block builds for arm
[19:47] <amejia> tgm4883: actually, mythtv is building on arm https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=mythtv&build_state=all
[19:47] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Builds : Ubuntu
[19:47] <amejia> tgm4883: or do you mean some other builds?
[19:48] <tgm4883> amejia, hmm
[19:48] <tgm4883> well I was talking about on the PPA
[19:48] <tgm4883> but it's the same packaging
[19:49] <tgm4883> and looking at https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.25/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[19:49] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Builds : 0.25 : “Mythbuntu Developers” team
[19:49] <tgm4883> that's only building for amd64 and i386
[19:55] <amejia> tgm4883: ah yes, now i recall that the PPAs never build for arm anyway
[19:55] <amejia> tgm4883: it's nothing wrong with the packaging or mythtv, that's just the way the PPAs are configured
[19:55] <tgm4883> amejia, did that get turned off? I thought we had built for that previously on PPA's
[19:56] <amejia> tgm4883: i'm not sure, at least in the case with xbmc, there were never any arm builds in the PPAs
[19:56] <tgm4883> amejia, actually looking back at it I'm thinking of LPIA
[19:57] <amejia> tgm4883: i believe ubuntu discontinued lpia some releases ago
[19:57] <tgm4883> yea they did
[19:58] <tgm4883> amejia, weird that you cannot build arm on a PPA. They have build servers for it
[19:58] <tgm4883> !buildqueue
[19:58] <Zinn> https://launchpad.net/builders
[19:59] <tgm4883> maybe just for the regular archive
[20:07] <amejia> tgm4883: maybe