[00:00] <Dexikcz> hello?
[00:02] <Dexikcz> Hmm so I have to be stucked in windows :( Thanks for help
[00:07] <jon8> now hear me out ... i _KNOW_ there are plenty of threads regarding .bashrc and people posting theres. Does anyone care to share theirs via pastebin.ca -- that would contain things that would help a nub like myself? Please K? thanks! :)
[00:08] <phillw> jon8: I'd suggest the 10.10 manual
[00:09] <jon8> phillw ??
[00:09] <jon8> what do you mean by that?
[00:09] <jon8> I think you've missed what i asked :)
[00:09] <phillw> jon8 give me a moment to find the link!!!! :)
[00:12] <phillw> jon8: have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3 and go join the main ubuntu forum area once you have the manual installed.
[00:12] <jon8> sigh
[00:12] <jon8> phillw i'm just looking for some cool, yet useful .bashrc script.. nice prompt, useful alias's, etc..
[00:14] <phillw> jon8: I'm not a bashrc person, but there are plenty on our main forum who are... learn to be patient :D
[00:14] <jon8> i am patient..
[00:14] <jon8> i was just making sure you understood my questoin
[00:16] <phillw> jon8: I do understand your question, but I cannot help you directly with it - only tell you where to get help if there is no one on here to assist
[00:17] <phillw> jon8: "Hi, (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw) is an admin person, wiki stuff, tidying up stuff creating new entries. Passionate about Lubuntu (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu), Accessibility (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team) and UBT (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam) Also familiar with LAMP and web stuff."
[00:28] <ThisGuy> anyone on here have a good knodlege of ubuntu
[00:28] <ThisGuy> ?
[00:31] <UndiFineD> !ask
[00:31] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[00:54] <ThisGuy> what makes linux so great compared to windows?
[00:55] <pleia2> well, there's http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/why-use-ubuntu
[00:56] <pleia2> but ultimately it comes down to personal preference and what you use your computer for, linux isn't right for everyone (just like windows isn't, and mac isn't)
[00:58] <nit-wit> ThisGuy, it is personal preference you can have both
[01:02] <UndiFineD> I only use ubuntu, for the whole family
[01:04] <thewrath> hey i am trying to get dhcpd to run on Fedora but I get this error when i run dhcpd -t
[01:04] <thewrath> Not searching LDAP since ldap-server, ldap-port and ldap-base-dn were not specified in the config file
[01:11] <UndiFineD> thewrath, I think "ldap" is in your /etc/host.conf
[01:15] <thewrath> UndiFineD, have you ever talked with the Fedora guys?
[01:16] <UndiFineD> yes
[01:16] <thewrath> i didnt look at one log message and it seemed like i was getting my head ripped off
[01:16] <UndiFineD> heh yes
[01:16] <thewrath> ?
[01:17] <UndiFineD> well, fedora are mostly developers, they can be scary
[01:18] <thewrath> all rgith
[02:55] <oldschoolboy> can you multi-boot from 2 different physical drives?
[02:55] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: Yes.
[02:56] <oldschoolboy> does ubuntu come with a multi-boot software
[02:56] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: Just as long as the drive with GRUB is set as the first boot drive.
[02:56] <oldschoolboy> whats GRUB?
[02:56] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: Yes, GRUB (the primary Linux bootloader) handles multi-booting natively.
[02:58] <oldschoolboy> I am going to install ubuntu on a 30 GB SSD and partition a 2GB swap off from that.. does this cause any problems?
[02:58] <hobgoblin> oldschoolboy: hi just answered your post on the forum :)
[02:58] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: No, that will work fine.
[02:59] <oldschoolboy> great, i saw this link on someones post and thought htis might be faster and I can answer question as they come
[03:00] <hobgoblin> yay for the webchat link
[03:03] <oldschoolboy> I was going to try SSD and Ubuntu and see how I like them and thought that i could kill to bird with one stone and kind of leave them seperate while I explored both
[03:03] <oldschoolboy> two birds*
[03:04] <oldschoolboy> is sata currently king in file storage?
[03:05] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: If by "storage" you mean "transfer", yes, it's the most commonly-used bus
[03:05] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: It's got nothing on SAS, but not many people have need of full-duplex transferring capabilities
[03:06] <oldschoolboy> Has anything been created to run AutoCAD 2010 or 2011 on Ubuntu or other linux OS's?
[03:06] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: This might help you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEngineering
[03:07] <hobgoblin> actually getting autocad to work will be an uphill struggle I think
[03:07] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: As far as running the applications themselves? WINE exists, but it can't run AutoCAD very well
[03:08] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=86
[03:08] <oldschoolboy> I breifly explored the CAD program but I work on AutoCAD all day at the office and was wondering if I could bring it home and get it to work using Ubuntu and AutoCAD at home
[03:08] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: Unfortunately not.
[03:08] <hobgoblin> oldschoolboy: I think from seeing stuff on the forum that aveilleux is right
[03:09] <hobgoblin> oldschoolboy: if there's space on the ubuntu install you could install xp in a VM and run it from there
[03:10] <aveilleux> hobgoblin, oldschoolboy: the overhead would be too much. AutoCAD is a really heavy program.
[03:10] <oldschoolboy> Wont that slow down autoCAD?
[03:10] <hobgoblin> aveilleux: I know
[03:11] <aveilleux> hobgoblin: Unless he's running some space-age computer, It really won't work :/ Especially since you won't be able to take advantage of the GPU at all
[03:11] <hobgoblin> oldschoolboy: the long and the short is that autocad is going to be run in windows :)
[03:11] <oldschoolboy> If Ubuntu is everything I think it will be I would liek to get away from Windows but I might have to keep it just for AutoCAD and other programs not compatible with linux
[03:11] <hobgoblin> well I was running it fine a couple of years ago in a VM
[03:11] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: Most of us are in the same boat
[03:13] <oldschoolboy> Hopefully I can get partitioning setup and multi-boot going so I can have the best of both worlds.
[03:13] <oldschoolboy> Thank you for all you help (great chat room!!!)
[03:13] <aveilleux> oldschoolboy: It's not that hard. Just install Windows (without the second drive in), then install Ubuntu onto the second drive (while both drives are in). Set the second drive to be the primary boot disk, and you're set to go.
[03:14] <hobgoblin> oldschoolboy: bear in mind what I said about primaries and extended on the forum - you'll be fine I'm sure
[03:15] <oldschoolboy> One last question: What software would  you recommend to clone a hard drive?
[03:15] <hobgoblin> a lot of people recommend clonezilla
[03:19] <oldschoolboy> thanks
[03:38] <thewrath> http://fpaste.org/L5j0/
[03:39] <thewrath> need help with DHCP
[03:39] <thewrath> this is the output in /var/log/messages: http://fpaste.org/zKA2/
[03:43] <thewrath> st33med you around?
[04:18] <holder> Wireless drivers: How do they work? My brother is missing his wireless driver, we have identical operating systems and laptops, my wireless is working. What can I do?
[04:18] <holder> to help him
[04:20] <aveilleux> holder: Does the laptop have a switch or toggle for the wireless? I sometimes disable mine and forget I did so.
[04:21] <holder> It does, it also has a hotkey to turn off wireless. I'm fairly certain he is missing the driver/s.
[04:22] <aveilleux> holder: Have you tried connecting to a wired router and seeing if he needs any restricted drivers? Sometimes even the same machine can have slightly differing chipsets.
[04:26] <holder> How do I check?
[04:27] <holder> He can connect with a wired connection
[04:27] <aveilleux> holder: Hook it to a wired network and go to System > Administration > Additional Drivers
[04:29] <holder> He does not have an additional drivers and neither do I
[04:31] <holstein> holder: what operating system are you guys using?
[04:32] <holstein> or do you mean, you dont see any available additional drivers
[04:32] <holstein> ?
[04:32] <hobgoblin> might be called hardware drivers
[04:32] <holder> lucid lynx
[04:33] <holder> there is no option for "Additional drivers" in my administration tab in my gui
[04:33] <hobgoblin> hardware drivers then I'm pretty sure
[04:33] <holstein> holder: did you hide it?
[04:33] <holstein> holder: im positive
[04:33] <hobgoblin> it's not called that in lynx
[04:33] <holstein> im running 10.04
[04:34] <holstein> and its called 'additional drivers'
[04:34] <holstein> for me
[04:34] <hobgoblin> mmm
[04:34] <holstein> in gnome
[04:34] <hobgoblin> run it from terminal then
[04:34] <hobgoblin> jockey
[04:34] <holder> How do I check to see if I have hidden it?
[04:34] <hobgoblin> jockey-gtk
[04:35] <hobgoblin> holder - it will be in the menu somewhere - have a look at them all
[04:35] <aveilleux> holder: Open Terminal and run: gksudo jockey-gtk
[04:35] <holstein> cool, you found that fast hobgoblin :)
[04:36] <hobgoblin> holstein: you get used to names :)
[04:36] <holder> Pulls up the hardware drivers option. System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[04:37] <holstein> whatever
[04:37] <hobgoblin> as I said - twice - hardware drivers lol
[04:37] <holstein> i dont know why ours are different
[04:37] <holstein> anyways
[04:37] <holstein> whats listed there?
[04:37] <holder> Nothing
[04:38] <holstein> handy ;)
[04:38] <holstein> holder: so you have the same computers?
[04:38] <holstein> and your wireless works?
[04:38] <holder> Same laptop
[04:38] <holder> yes
[04:38] <holstein> did it work 'out of the box'A
[04:38] <holstein> ?
[04:39] <hobgoblin> holder - open a terminal - run   lspci and paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com - name in the name boix - hit paste and give us the url
[04:40] <holstein> yeah, im thinking its a switch
[04:40] <holstein> or its disabled somehow in the bios
[04:41] <mymrhelpdesk> i need a little help somehow miro tv has set itself as default for torrents how can i change this back to vuse?
[04:42] <holder> Unless it's broken it's not the switch
[04:42] <mymrhelpdesk> i can't find where vuse is installed to point to the program to set back?
[04:42] <hobgoblin> mymrhelpdesk: do whereis vuse in a terminal
[04:42] <holder> Did not work out of the box
[04:43] <holder> Which laptop's terminal?
[04:44] <holstein> holder: preferrably the one that aint working
[04:48] <aveilleux> mymrhelpdesk: Right-click on a torrent file and hit "properties". Under the "Open With" tab, select Vuze as the default by filling in its radio button.
[04:49] <holder> paste.ubuntu.com/548428
[04:49] <aveilleux> holder: You forgot the http:// :P
[04:50] <holder> wrong command
[04:50] <holder> anyway
[04:51] <holder> http://paster.ubuntu.com/548429
[04:52] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548428/
[04:52] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548429
[04:52] <holder> yep
[04:53] <holstein> :)
[05:00] <holder> I use/d windows wireless drivers
[05:00] <holder> if that helps
[05:01] <hobgoblin> holder: you used ndiswrapper?
[05:03] <holder> yes, I think so.
[05:17] <sogepp> yo guys
[05:17] <sogepp> how i change an usb drive on ubuntu?
[05:18] <sogepp> i mean, change an usb drive name,
[05:20] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive sogepp
[05:20] <sogepp> on the way...
[05:20] <holstein> holder: did the process you used not work on the other unit?
[05:21] <holder> I don't remember what I did
[05:21] <holder> I'm trying to google stalk the answer
[05:21] <holstein> holder: was it in the terminal?
[05:22] <holstein> you can open the terminal
[05:22] <holstein> and type
[05:22] <holstein> history
[05:22] <holder> 6 months of history
[05:22] <holder> LOL it's like the 6th thing in it
[05:23] <holstein> i got a couple thousand lines in mine
[05:23] <nit-wit> holstein, mines emptied often, bleachbit
[05:24] <nit-wit> nothing but cobwebs
[05:24] <holstein> i like having the history
[05:24] <holstein> helps me learn i find
[05:25] <nit-wit> holstein, I have a cheat file for commands and secondary stuff, is there a search function in the terminal to find a command
[05:26] <nit-wit> holstein, a command already run
[05:26] <holder> linking to other laptop "sudo apt-get install ndisgtk"
[05:41] <holder> ughh. What's the command to tell me my laptop series
[05:41] <holder> ?
[05:41] <holstein> hmmm
[05:41] <holstein> not sure what your looking for
[05:42] <holstein> lspci is where i usually look
[05:42] <holstein> or on the label ;)
[05:43] <holder> So I know how to install the driver, but I don't know what driver i'm using
[05:43] <holstein> probably just the windows driver
[05:43] <holder> so I can't re-download it, because I don't know what it is
[05:43] <holstein> you can probably find the .dll or whatever in your system
[05:43] <holstein> .ini ?
[05:44] <holstein> i forget what the wrapper needs...
[05:44] <holstein> but if its the same hardware
[05:44] <holstein> you can just pull them out of your system
[05:44] <holstein> *in theory
[05:44] <holder> .inf
[05:45] <holder> but I don't know how to tell what driver I'm using
[05:45] <holstein> doesnt matter realy
[05:45] <holstein> really*
[05:45] <holder> elaborate
[05:45] <holstein> just grabe it and copy it over
[05:45] <holstein> grab*
[05:45] <holder> But what do I grab
[05:46] <holstein> whatever .dll or .ini or .inf or whatever
[05:46] <holstein> its gotta be somewhere on your system
[05:46] <holstein> and i havent tried ndis in years
[05:47] <holstein> and didnt have much success back then
[05:47] <holstein> holder: whats it say in the gui?
[05:47] <holstein> on your box?
[05:48] <holder> ? I think i know what it is, but i'm not sure where to download it
[05:48] <holstein> right, you dont need to
[05:48] <holder> the laptop box is long gone
[05:48] <holstein> just grab it off your computer
[05:48] <holstein> you DL'd it before
[05:48] <holstein> and got the bits you needed
[05:49] <holstein> and put them where ever ndis needs them
[05:49] <holder> Off my computer to his?
[05:49] <holstein> thats the proposal
[05:49] <holder> copy it to a flashdrive?
[05:49] <holstein> sure
[05:49] <holstein> however you guys share files
[05:50] <holder> roflcopters that's easy
[05:50] <holstein> :)
[05:50] <holstein> well, dont celebrate yet, but it *should be that easy
[05:52] <New> I don't like "should." It's *never worked out.
[05:53] <holstein> nah, it always works out :)
[05:53] <holstein> one way or another
[05:54] <New> Yes, but usually not the way it "should" have. Oh well. Let's see if it does.
[05:54] <holstein> OH, this is your box New ?
[05:54] <holstein> the wifi free zone ?
[05:56] <New> Unfortunately.
[05:56] <holstein> hehe
[05:56] <holstein> New: you'll be alright
[05:56] <holstein> i mean, you know its working on another identical unit
[05:57] <New> Yeah. I'm cool either way, too. I'd love it if it worked, though.
[05:57] <New> And the flash doesn't work. Should falls through again.
[05:57] <holstein> flash?
[05:58] <holstein> flash drive?
[05:58] <holstein> USB stick?
[05:58] <New> yeah.
[05:58] <holstein> if you can get it online otherwise
[05:58] <holstein> wired
[05:58] <holstein> just email it to yourself
[05:58] <holder> Need a better way to share the file. File type does not support symbolic links
[05:58] <holstein> i like dropbox
[05:59] <holstein> ssh is easy from linux to linux
[06:01] <stlsaint_>  /me loves ssh ;)
[06:01] <New> welp, off I go with the ethernet. Thanks for the patient help, everyone.
[06:02] <holstein> New: good luck
[06:02] <holstein> we'll get you sorted out
[06:02] <holstein> just gotta find those driver files on the other box
[06:03] <holstein> im off too
[06:03] <holstein> GN all...
[06:03] <holder> Files are found
[06:03] <holder> did a search for .inf
[06:49] <New> >->
[07:35] <mymrhelpdesk> goodnight all! buenas noches a todos!
[07:52] <evfool> does anyone know the correct workflow for fixing a bug in the app-install-data-ubuntu package?
[09:15] <paw> hi
[09:21] <evfool> does anyone know the correct workflow for fixing a bug in the app-install-data-ubuntu package?
[09:47] <evfool> #join #ubuntu-beginners-dev
[09:47] <evfool> sorry about that
[11:42] <L34RNER> Greetings all, I have a question.
[11:42] <L34RNER> I'm preparing to compile WMI-client and have a noobish question. Before compiing, the instructions say "export ZENHOME=<yourpath>/wmi-zenoss/wmi-1.3.14". Is this my PATH or the path to the source?
[11:43] <L34RNER> I also feel like I might be tripped up a little on the syntax as well.
[11:43] <starcraftman> L34RNER:  pretty  sure they mean just exporting ZENHOME variable that is the path to the client. not your PATH variable.
[11:45] <L34RNER> starcraftman: so what do I put in <yourpath> ?
[11:45] <L34RNER> ? $PATH: ?
[11:46] <starcraftman> L34RNER: absolute path to wmi-1.3.... so if I stored it in home/starcraft it'd be /home/starcraftman/downloads/wmi-zenoss/wmi....
[11:47] <L34RNER> yeah that's what's tripping me up. At this point I only have the src.  "wmi-1.3.14" I don't have a wmi-zenoss directory.
[11:48] <starcraftman> L34RNER: make one? don't think it matters, I doubt they hardcoded checking for wmi-zenoss folder in path. Safe to make it I guess.
[11:48] <L34RNER> K, I think I've got it. Thank You
[19:13] <Roydaman2> ok i think i need some more help
[19:14] <Roydaman2> i downloaded a tar.gz program and i need to install it
[19:14] <Roydaman2> i know that tar.gz is a compressed file like 7zip
[19:16] <Puck`> Roydaman2: you need to uncompress it, just right click on it, or in the terminal cd to the folder and do tar xvzf filename.tar.gz
[19:18] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Programs are not "installed" in the same manner as Windows programs -- they can be run from any directory. You can extract the tarball (.tar.gz files are sometimes referred to as "tarballs") to, say, your home directory, then run the executable file after giving it executable permissions (either through the chmod +x <file> command or through the Properties window, under "Permissions")
[19:20] <Roydaman2> ok that makes a lot more sense now
[19:20] <Roydaman2> and it works to haha that always a plus, right??
[19:21] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Of course.
[19:24] <Roydaman2> ok so i have xp programs and from what i was reading i can use "wine PROGRAM" from terminal and as long as its in the system32 folder it will run??
[19:24] <Roydaman2> how would i tell wine to use a different folder??
[19:25] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: No. You can run "wine "C:\Program Files\FOLDER\PROGRAM.exe"" (including the inside quotation marks; excluding the outside) to make it run from the WINE Program Files folde.
[19:25] <aveilleux> folder.
[19:26] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Also, WINE will use UNIX file paths, eg. "wine ~/.wine/dosdevices/drive_c/Program\ Files/FOLDER/PROGRAM.exe" or "wine ./PROGRAM.exe"
[19:29] <Roydaman2> ok so if my program is on my desktop in XP i would use wine "C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\redsn0w.exe"   <correct??
[19:29] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Not quite. You CAN do that, but it's a lot easier to just do "wine ~/Desktop/redsn0w.exe"
[19:30] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Jailbreaking your iPhone/iPod Touch, I see.
[19:30] <Roydaman2> no mines done but i got my girl an iPad its sweet
[19:32] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Enough of that though -- technically jailbreaking is a violation of the SLA and therefore of questionable legal status (no matter what the Library of Congress says), so let's pretend you're trying to run.... Idunno, the Windows version of Firefox or something.
[19:32] <Roydaman2> ok sounds like a plan sorry
[19:33] <Roydaman2> ok so the icon on the XP desktop just says Firefox but the actual filename is firefox.233.4.exe do i have to use the whole filename or just firefox
[19:33] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: No biggie, I have no deep philosophical objections to jailbreaking (though I do have an objection to the fact that it needs to be done in order to unlock the platform), but this isn't the place to be discussing such things. Anyway! How's the command working out for you?
[19:34] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Use the full filename. BASH is picky about what you give it. HOWEVER, you can use tab-completion, ie. start typing "firef" and hit the TAB key, and it'll automatically fill in the rest (provided the path is correct)
[19:37] <Roydaman2> i think its tryin to go to the zorin desktop it says " cannot find '/home/User/Desktop/firefox.exe'
[19:37] <Roydaman2> is there a way i have to point it to the XP desktop
[19:40] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: No... Are you sure the filename is correct? It has to be exactly right, caps and all. It won't accept approximations.
[19:40] <Roydaman2> maybe thats why
[19:41] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Where did you place the file, on your Linux desktop? Because WINE and Linux use the same desktop folder... the WINE Desktop just points to the Linux one.
[19:41] <Roydaman2> no its on my XP Desktop
[19:42] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Er, what?
[19:42] <Roydaman2> o and on a side note my fastforwarding problem from yesterday fixed itself after i restarted
[19:43] <Roydaman2> i have zorin on 1 HDD XP on another and MAC OS X on another
[19:43] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Is the XP drive mounted?
[19:43] <Roydaman2> yes its visible on my Zorin desktop
[19:44] <Roydaman2> and it shows the eject icon in the file man.
[19:44] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: What is the file path of the drive? /media/what
[19:45] <Roydaman2> /media/2640A5E640A5BD45
[19:45] <aveilleux> eesh
[19:45] <Roydaman2> yea im guessin im gonna have to type that oput instead of C:/
[19:45] <Roydaman2> *C:/
[19:46] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: The command is: wine /media/2640A5E640A5BD45/Documents\ and\ Settings/Owner/Desktop/PROGRAM.exe
[19:47] <Roydaman2> ok that works perfectly
[19:48] <Roydaman2> is there a way i can rename the drive to i dunno maybe C :/
[19:48] <Roydaman2> errr C: /
[19:48] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Not really. Linux uses a totally different drive mounting/naming scheme than Windows.
[19:49] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: What you can do, though, is create a symbolic link from your ~/.wine/dosdevices/drive_c/ directory to your /media/2640A5E640A5BD45/ directory.
[19:49] <Roydaman2> ok cuz thats a lot of #'s to memorize
[19:49] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: That way, WINE will use /media/2640A5E640A5BD45/ as its symbolic name for C:\ instead of ~/.wine/dosdevices/drive_c/
[19:50] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Remember tab-completion? It works for directories too. You can just type /media/2 and hit Tab, and it'll fill in the rest.
[19:50] <Roydaman2> ok how do i go about that
[19:51] <Roydaman2> i think my Tab Completion is broke
[19:51] <Roydaman2> or off
[19:52] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: hit Tab twice. It'll list all possibilities. It only completes if the name is unique enough.
[19:52] <Roydaman2> yea it doesnt work
[19:52] <holstein> try it here
[19:52] <holstein> roy tab
[19:53] <holstein> Roydaman2:
[19:53] <Roydaman2> aveilleux: yea it works here
[19:53] <holstein> so you know its not the tab or the keyboard, or keyboard settings...
[19:53] <holstein> what is it not working in?
[19:53] <Roydaman2> not in the Terminal window though
[19:54] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: make sure the path is correct, too. It won't work if you forget the initial forward-slash in front of /media, or if you misspell "media"
[19:54] <holstein> try just fire tab
[19:54] <holstein> see if you get firefox
[19:54] <Roydaman2> yea
[19:55] <holstein> it works :)
[19:55] <Roydaman2> ok i didnt have a space between wine and /
[19:55] <Roydaman2> now its working
[19:56] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Yeah that'll do it.
[19:56] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Still want to make that link?
[19:56] <Roydaman2> sure
[19:57] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Okay. Do this (in order):
[19:58] <aveilleux> mv ~/.wine/drive_c ~/.wine/drive_c_backup && ln -s /media/2640A5E640A5BD45/ ~/.wine/drive_c
[20:01] <Roydaman2> all that is 1 command??
[20:01] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Yes. The "&&" in the middle tells it to do two commands in a row.
[20:02] <Roydaman2> ok it says drive_c_backup: no such file or directory
[20:03] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Umm... that's mv's syntax, mv original target... (we're using it as rename here)
[20:04] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Try this alone: cd ~/.wine && ls -a
[20:04] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Pastebin the output
[20:06] <Roydaman2> ok how do i pastebin the output??
[20:07] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:07] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ Copy the output of the command and paste it into the box. Then give us the URL after hitting the "paste" button at the bottom of the page.
[20:09] <Roydaman2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548615/
[20:10] <stlsaint> pastebinit is a awesome application btw ;)
[20:10] <Roydaman2> yea i see that
[20:10] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Now type: mv drive_c/ drive_c_backup/
[20:10] <Roydaman2> @ stlsaint
[20:10] <stlsaint> Roydaman2: you have it installed? (i didnt mean the site, i really meant the application)
[20:11] <stlsaint> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit
[20:12] <Roydaman2> i have drag n drop in my dock @ stlsaint
[20:13] <Roydaman2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548616/
[20:13] <Roydaman2> that what i got
[20:13] <aveilleux> what
[20:14] <aveilleux> Oh.
[20:14] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: mv drive_c drive_c_backup
[20:14] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: The trailing forward-slash was messing it up
[20:16] <Roydaman2> ok typed it like that and i think it worked just wnet to the next line
[20:17] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Yes, no output is good.
[20:17] <Roydaman2> ok
[20:18] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Now type: ln -s /media/2640A5E640A5BD45/ drive_c
[20:18] <Roydaman2> ok
[20:18] <Roydaman2> aveilleux: is copy_paste ok??
[20:18] <Roydaman2> or to learn it should i type it??
[20:19] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: try "ln -s /me<tab>26<tab> drive_c
[20:19] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Replacing <tab> with hitting the Tab key
[20:20] <Roydaman2> right i got that
[20:20] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: It's a good habit to get into; keeps the actual typing to a minimum
[20:20] <Roydaman2> with the "
[20:20] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: no
[20:20] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: sorry, that was a typo
[20:21] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Now you can type "wine C:\WHATEVER" and it'll go to your XP drive.
[20:22] <Roydaman2> ok creating symbolic link './drive_c': file exists
[20:22] <Roydaman2> is that right??
[20:22] <aveilleux> that's odd, it shouldn't anymore
[20:23] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Pastebin another ln -s
[20:24] <Roydaman2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548623/
[20:25] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: No, I mean pastebin the output of ln -s
[20:27] <Roydaman2> it tells me command not found try ln --help for options
[20:27] <aveilleux> erf, I mean ls -a
[20:27] <Roydaman2> or no missing file operand
[20:27] <aveilleux> Man I'm really off today
[20:28] <Roydaman2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548625/
[20:28] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Type cd drive_c/ && ls -a #then pastebin the output
[20:29] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Note that anything after the # is just me commenting, you don't need to put that in
[20:29] <Roydaman2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548627/
[20:30] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Success! It worked.
[20:31] <Roydaman2> ok so ??
[20:32] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: The only problem is that programs installed in WINE will not have the appropriate registry entries installed into Windows, and vice-versa, so you'll have to make sure to compensate for that.
[20:32] <Roydaman2> ok
[20:32] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Now you can access anything in your XP drive using WINE by typing wine "C:\WHATEVER" instead of wine "/media/omfgnumbers"
[20:33] <aveilleux> er, wine "/media/omfgnumbers/WHATEVER"
[20:33] <Roydaman2> ok thats excellent and i think i mightve learned something to
[20:33] <Roydaman2> hahaha omfgnumbers
[20:34] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Symlinks are probably one of the most helpful functions of the ext filesystem (Linux's default); Windows has a similar system but it doesn't work as transparently.
[20:34] <aveilleux> er, NTFS has a similar system, I should say
[20:34] <Roydaman2> ok now not to sound like an ass but if i was to copy paste the "firefox" original file to the Zorin desktop could i just doubleclick that or right click open with wine?
[20:35] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Yes you could. That kind of executable can be run regardless of where it's located.
[20:35] <Roydaman2> ok just wondering but i kinda like being able to use the terminal to do it
[20:35] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Which is why I thought you'd downloaded it to your Zorin desktop; it doesn't matter where it is
[20:35] <Roydaman2> and by simlinks your talkin about the ln -
[20:36] <Roydaman2> and apt- and etc.
[20:37] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: No, a symlink is a symbolic link; ie. the filesystem interprets the link and just transparently forwards you to the link location. the -whatever or --whatever in a Terminal program's input is called an "operand" or "flag", and they affect how a program runs.
[20:37] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: apt-get is its own program.
[20:37] <Roydaman2> o i c
[20:38] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: It's a lot to learn in a tiny space, but I really am pretty glad to see that you're not scared of Terminal.
[20:39] <Roydaman2> well i think i like it cuz the frst computer i had only ran DOS apps
[20:39] <Roydaman2> so i had to figure that out with like minimal help
[20:39] <Roydaman2> but the most i got to was Wolf3D
[20:39] <Roydaman2> haha
[20:40]  * holstein browsing the ln man
[20:40] <aveilleux> Ahh, Wolfenstein 3D... good times
[20:40] <Roydaman2> hours of enjoyment
[20:41] <Roydaman2> so stlsaint was saying something about a pastebin app pack. man. cant seem to find that
[20:42] <Roydaman2> ok wait it reloaded pastebinit??
[20:44] <Roydaman2> aveilleux: does Ctrl + c and Ctrl + v work like in windows or is there an equivelant
[20:45] <Roydaman2> aveilleux:  let me rephrase that in Terminal
[20:46] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Well, Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V have special meaning in Terminal; in order to get Copy and Paste you have to use Shift+Ctrl+C and Shift+Ctrl+V
[20:47] <Roydaman2> ok so it sees that command not just characters
[20:49] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: No, the Terminal has used Ctrl+C long before it was the shortcut for Copy. And Ctrl+CHAR is called an "escape character"; as in, it sends a particular signal to the application rather than accepting it as a command. So, Shift+Ctrl+CHAR is sending a signal to the gnome-terminal application, rather than the BASH (Terminal) session inside of it.
[20:53] <Roydaman2> aveilleux: ok im starting to get it
[20:53] <Roydaman2> aveilleux: so terminal works kind of like a median (i think thats the right word) between you and the programs to get your message thru
[20:55] <aveilleux> Roydaman2: Basically.
[20:56] <Roydaman2> i see
[22:20] <yax51> ok, I can't seem to get my mic working. It works in windows, all the levels are maxed, in alsa mixer and everywhere else, it is detecting a mic, but it won't pick up any sound
[22:21] <yax51> I have gone over the mic and sound setup procedures in the forums, but to no avail
[22:21] <yax51> any other ideas?
[22:25] <geirha> Not really my expertice, but I'd try finding the audio device model from lspci model and use that in the search.
[22:26] <geirha> *lspci output
[22:30] <yax51> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548666/
[22:31] <yax51> heres the output, now I would do a search with the perimeters of the audio device riht?
[22:31] <yax51> *right
[22:36] <geirha> Yeah, did a quick search myself, bi
[22:37] <geirha> Yeah, did a quick search myself, but mostly found old threads
[22:37] <geirha> !hdaintel
[22:37] <ubot2> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[22:38] <geirha> Have you seen that page?
[22:39] <yax51> I don't think so...
[22:41] <geirha> I think that might have a solution
[22:42] <geirha> Anyway, I'm afraid I'm off to bed. If you stick around, or come back later and repeat the question, you might get better help than I am on this area
[22:51] <person> hi, ubuntu 10.10 does not recognize my cd-room, help please
[22:53] <person> help please
[22:53] <JackyAlcine> Hello, person.
[22:53] <JackyAlcine> Quite a peculiar name.
[22:53] <JackyAlcine> But I can help.
[22:54] <person> hi JackyAlcine
[22:54] <person> thanks in advance
[22:54] <person> Do you need some more details?
[22:54] <person> When I insert a cd or dvd, it does not recognize it
[22:54] <JackyAlcine> Everything, to be exact, I only saw that you needed help.
[22:54] <JackyAlcine> Okay.
[22:55] <person> Laptop, ubuntu 10.10
[22:55] <person> dvd rw-rom
[22:55] <person> Is that enough?
[22:55] <JackyAlcine> Open System > Admininstration > Disk Utility
[22:56] <JackyAlcine> is it a USB-connected or an internal drive?
[22:56] <person> an internal drive
[22:56] <JackyAlcine> Okay.
[22:56] <person> mm..
[22:56] <JackyAlcine> Have you opened the drive?
[22:56] <person> no, never
[22:56] <JackyAlcine> **dialog.
[22:56] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[22:57] <person> (:
[22:58] <JackyAlcine> But yeah; does your CD/DVD drive appear in the list to the left?
[22:58] <person> does it have to say cd dvd room or something?
[22:58] <person> I just see pata host adapter
[22:58] <person> sata hosy adapter (I think that is the hard disk)
[22:59] <person> and a jetflash usb memory
[22:59] <yax51> ok, stupid question, I can't access the alsa-base.conf file to edit it as needed, and I can't remember how to even do it
[22:59] <yax51> I found the file, but I don't have the permissions to do it,
[22:59] <JackyAlcine> yax51:  sudo gedit.
[22:59] <JackyAlcine> and person: That's the DVD controller.
[23:00] <JackyAlcine> Now, open your Computer; does it appear there?
[23:00] <yax51> JackyAlcine: and just the file name, or the whole path?
[23:00] <person> wich one, the pata host?
[23:00] <person> Im really sorry if I sound dumb, actually I feel.
[23:00] <JackyAlcine> yax51:  the whole path.
[23:00] <JackyAlcine> person: No, no don't! And the DVD/CD drivee.
[23:01] <person> Im confused.... again, and sorry, theres nothing with the word dvd or cd that appears on my disk utility
[23:02] <person> and It also does not appear on computer btw
[23:02] <yax51> JackyAlcine: Thanks
[23:03] <JackyAlcine> That's odd; what's the make and model of your laptop?
[23:03] <JackyAlcine> And were you able to access it before?
[23:05] <JackyAlcine> ?
[23:06] <person> model?.. hp pavilion dv6000 , and yes I was.
[23:07] <person> well, I don't know if it helps but
[23:08] <person> pata host adapter says 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE controller
[23:08] <person> and the other one, (sata host) is my hard disk
[23:08] <person> and my jetflash also...
[23:09] <JackyAlcine> Did this just happen or is it something that always was an issue?
[23:09] <person> It started yesterday..
[23:09] <person> when I was trying to burn an iso image to a dvd...
[23:10] <person> and brasero told me  /no disc avaliable/ even though I inserted the dvd
[23:10] <person> again and again
[23:11] <person> then I realized the icon did not show up on the desktop or computer
[23:11] <person> neither cds or dvds..
[23:11] <person> finally I put the ubuntu install cd, but it also did not work
[23:12] <person> then, i transfered ubuntu iso to my usb, and I ran as a live cd, but then again, the computer did not recognize the cd
[23:14] <nit-wit> person, is it that they are not showing on the desktop. If you open menu-palces-computer does it show the cd reader or anything plugged in you don't see?
[23:14] <nit-wit> *places
[23:16] <JackyAlcine> That's an issue; it's definitely a hardware configuration issue with your system.
[23:16] <JackyAlcine> Sounds like a driver's missing somewhere.
[23:16] <JackyAlcine> Nonetheless, this is out of my expertise; I'm sorry, person.
[23:19] <person> thank you JackyAlcine
[23:19] <person> Help please with ubuntu 10.10
[23:20] <nit-wit> person, did you look in computer
[23:25] <person> yes nit-wit, it does not appear neither
[23:30] <nit-wit> person, so you have rebooted, to see if this fixes it. Did you do any updates since you had working stuff. Really if your USB and CD/DVD reader aren't showing that is strage
[23:31] <person> My usb is working..
[23:32] <person> I just let ubuntu make the upgrates it wants
[23:32] <person> I just have an idea...
[23:32] <nit-wit> person, starting to sound like a hardware problem really, hard to say.
[23:33] <person> well, there must be some line I can put on  terminal...
[23:33] <holstein> person: what about the bios?
[23:33] <person> to see if there is a cd-rom or it does not exist
[23:34] <holstein> does it show in the bios?
[23:34] <person> How can I know that?
[23:34] <holstein> on my dv-5000, i think its F2 to get into the bios
[23:34] <holstein> not sure though
[23:34] <holstein> and it could be different on the dv-6000
[23:35] <holstein> i'll boot mine up
[23:35] <holstein> and see it lspci shows the rom drive
[23:36] <person> thanks I will try!
[23:37] <holstein> hmmm
[23:43] <person> my bios does recognize my cdrom!!!!!!!!
[23:44] <person> what does it mean?
[23:44] <person> Oo
[23:46] <person> hello?
[23:46] <person> I was  here like 5 minutes ago...
[23:46] <person> someone was helping me
[23:47] <JackyAlcine> If your BIOS doesn't recognize your CDROM
[23:47] <person> nono
[23:47] <JackyAlcine> that means it HAS to be unplugged/disconnected internally.
[23:47] <person> it recognized it!!
[23:47] <JackyAlcine> oh, so then Ubuntu's misconfigured.
[23:48] <person> so, reinstall ubuntu?
[23:48] <holstein> im still suspicious of the drive
[23:48] <holstein> if no live CD's are booting on it
[23:48] <JackyAlcine> Me too, holstein.
[23:48] <JackyAlcine> Have you tried loading a USB key of Ubuntu, person?
[23:48] <holstein> yeah, but i have sketchy USB on mine
[23:48] <holstein> boot-wise
[23:48] <holstein> sometimes it works, and usually it doesnt
[23:49] <person> usb key?
[23:49] <person> I dont get it, sorry
[23:49] <person> So, is it a good idea to re install?
[23:49] <holstein> person: you said you had made a bootable USB stick?
[23:49] <holstein> person: how can you reinstall
[23:49] <holstein> ?
[23:50] <holstein> if the drive isnt booting anything
[23:50] <holstein> i would keep trouble-shooting a hardware issue
[23:50] <holstein> in my opinion
[23:50] <JackyAlcine> Yeah, like a bootable Ubuntu from a USB.
[23:52] <person> yes yes yes!! reinstalling booting from usb sr!
[23:53] <holstein> person: i wouldnt reinstall yet
[23:53] <JackyAlcine> DON'T install!
[23:53] <holstein> just boot the USB
[23:53] <holstein> test the drive
[23:53] <JackyAlcine> Yes, do what holstein said.
[23:53] <JackyAlcine> If anything, your install of Ubuntu might be malformed.
[23:53] <person> I tested the drive while I was on usb boot
[23:54] <person> It didn't work
[23:54] <holstein> OIC
[23:54] <person> Holstein, Im sorry, what is your advice?
[23:54] <holstein> put some tape on the drive ;)
[23:54] <holstein> and enjoy the rest of the machine while its still working
[23:55] <holstein> thats one live ubuntu thats didnt recognize it
[23:55] <holstein> and the installed ubuntu you have
[23:55] <holstein> you could try some other live USB sticks
[23:55] <holstein> but i think you have a bad drive
[23:56] <holstein> it happens
[23:57] <JackyAlcine> Yeah; it's your drive, person.
[23:57] <JackyAlcine> I can't see what else would cause that; unless your BIOS blocked that drive from being recognized by the operating system (blacklisting)
[23:57] <holstein> plausible
[23:57] <holstein> person: you didnt mess around with the bios right?
[23:58] <holstein> before this happened?