[09:17] <FreeSoul> hi guys :)
[09:20] <FreeSoul> I'm trying ubuntu-mid (stable version and 20081010.1) on my Benq mis s6 but afterbooting both the version can't run X server because it can't find screen. May be a good idea to use mid-8.04.1-menlow-install-usb.img, install ubuntu and then edit config files? and during install does it requires an hardware keyboard? benq mid s6 has no keyboard. Many thanks! any idea is wellcome because I'm getting bad with Midinux . Thanks
[09:35] <FreeSoul> anybody?
[09:48] <Burgundavia> FreeSoul: hmm?
[09:49] <FreeSoul> i mean the X.org server can't find the screen, this is my problem
[09:49] <FreeSoul> and since Benq s6 has no keyboard i can't edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf in terminal
[09:51] <FreeSoul> Burgundavia: any ideas? :)
[09:51] <Burgundavia> no idea when it is almost 2am
[09:51] <Burgundavia> but do file a bug
[09:52] <FreeSoul> Burgundavia: lol it's 11 am here :)
[09:52] <Burgundavia> right, you are somewhere in Europe
[09:53] <Burgundavia> you are also much more likely to find somebody on monday
[10:23] <persia> FreeSoul, There's no Pouslbo video driver in intrepid, unfortunately.  Not so sure why the menlow install image didn't work for you.
[10:24] <FreeSoul> persia: oh :-/
[10:25] <FreeSoul> wait a moment.... i just had a look at midinux xorg.conf and it uses vesa as video driver.   Could be :)
[10:25] <FreeSoul> this may explay why all hd video wont play!!!
[10:25] <persia> Perhaps :)
[10:25] <FreeSoul> omg...... /me is gonna kill someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:25] <FreeSoul> i can't belive they are so fool!
[10:25] <FreeSoul> uff
[10:26] <FreeSoul> sorry for my not so polite reaction but it's frustarting to spend 430 euro for a device that neither uses 100% of hardware
[10:26] <persia> If you use the intrepid image, just add 'Driver "vesa"' to the video section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and it ought display, but perhaps not at the ideal resolution.
[10:26] <FreeSoul> i see. The problem is that i can't edit xorg.conf since i've no hw keyboard
[10:27] <persia> I understand entirely.
[10:27] <persia> You'll need a USB keyboard.
[10:27] <FreeSoul> i'm downloading the mic. May it be usefull?
[10:27] <FreeSoul> i've a usb keyboard but only one usb port on the mid.... so or i use usb key to boot or i use usb keyboard.
[10:27] <FreeSoul> i've no usb hub
[10:28] <Celtiore> hi FreeSoul
[10:28] <FreeSoul> hi Celtiore :)
[10:29] <Celtiore> persia, now we are 2 poor guys :)
[10:29] <FreeSoul> but, is there anybody developing a pouslbo driver ?
[10:29] <FreeSoul> i mean, not here, in the world
[10:30] <Celtiore> persia, i confirm :
[10:30] <persia> I hear Intel is working on something, but haven't heard any real schedule.
[10:30] <Celtiore> If you use the intrepid image, just add 'Driver "vesa"' to the video section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and it ought display, but perhaps not at the ideal resolution.
[10:30] <persia> Yeah :/
[10:30] <persia> For me, it's a lower resolution
[10:30] <Celtiore> i do a try yesterday
[10:31] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, at this moment the only way is to use ubuntu 7.10 with all correct drivers
[10:31] <FreeSoul> no wait vesa line is commented. Midinux uses driver "psb" that could be the right one
[10:31] <Celtiore> but the prob is, we can't have update
[10:32] <persia> There was a working psb driver in 8.04 too, but you needed to use the special repository.
[10:32] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: ok, then i prefer to wait...
[10:32] <Celtiore> yep same here
[10:32] <Celtiore> i do a try with ubuntu 8.04.1, we can put the marvell driver to activate wifi, but we need to use usb mouse
[10:33] <persia> The touchscreen didn't work?  I thought someone fixed that.  Hrm.
[10:33] <Celtiore> if you want i can explain to you the howto
[10:33] <FreeSoul> and what for the issue that screen is not found by X server?
[10:34] <Celtiore> the touchscreen working randomly, like wrong calibration
[10:34] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: i'm not an ubuntu user so, let me ask a stupid question... are updataes avialable for ubuntu 8.0.4?
[10:34] <Celtiore> with 8.04.1 screen is correctlydetected
[10:34] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: if there's a live version i'd like to try 8.04.1
[10:35] <FreeSoul> (do i stop the MIC download?)
[10:35] <Celtiore> wait
[10:35] <Celtiore> i search info, don't remember
[10:36] <persia> It's possible to update the 8.04.1 images, but due to the way the image exists, there's a limit, and eventually you'll need to reinstall with 8.04.2
[10:37] <persia> Alternately, if you'd like to help hack 9.04, it needs all the help it can get, and you guys have the hardware you want to work (it's different than my hardware, for instance)
[10:37] <FreeSoul> mid-8.04.1-menlow-install-usb.img i've tryed this too but... lol how can i install without an hw keyboard? :)
[10:37] <persia> That image should just install and auto-overwrite without a keyboard, or do you need to press Enter?
[10:38] <FreeSoul> persia: well when i say it's install only i swithed everything off but i suspect it will ask for an enter
[10:38] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, the prob is : aigo use 2 SSD
[10:38] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: lol here there's only one
[10:38] <Celtiore> i don't know how your benq can support the ubuntu installation
[10:39] <persia> aigo is probably tricky.  benq might work, if it's just one SSD.
[10:39] <FreeSoul> persia: sure it's only onw ssd of 2gb
[10:40] <Celtiore> i think, we can soon have the correct driver, with aigo,benq,gigabyte,compal i suppose one of vendor ask the code,
[10:40] <FreeSoul> and by default they let the user use a 250mb partition (ridicolous!)
[10:41] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: i'm in contact with Steve of UMPCPortal that is in contact with Benq mid s6 product manager to report him all shit (sorry for the dab word, i can't find anything more appropriate) that i find in the mid... if you tell me what is exactly needed i can drop him a mail and pray :)
[10:42] <persia> Yeah, it's getting an open driver that's the critical step.  If you hear of one, even one that's binary-only and allows redistribution, and works, please make lots of noise here.  We can ask for it to be included (assuming the archive-admins permit the license).
[10:42] <persia> FreeSoul, Critical things are really the touchscreen and the video driver.
[10:43] <Celtiore> and the marvell for wifi, persia
[10:43] <Celtiore> yesterday, when i try the last build, it don't find the network
[10:43] <FreeSoul> persia: i ask right now. As far as I know it can't be usefull without requiring infinite time of work but i've benq mid s6 recovery image... can it help? the kernel of course is compiled but it works... and has all needed drivers.
[10:44] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, which kernel version do you have ?
[10:44] <FreeSoul> wait
[10:44] <persia> FreeSoul, The issue is mostly about the license.  Do you have a license to distribute it?  Do you have a license to allow others to distribute it?
[10:44] <Celtiore> ubuntu 7.10 is working with the ripp of the midinux driver
[10:45] <persia> I agree that it's frustrating now (and don't have networking working for my D4 either, despite a USB WiFi stick, a USB Ethernet stick, and some other hackery)
[10:45] <Celtiore> if benq is 2.6.24 we can put ubuntu 8.04 :) :)
[10:46] <FreeSoul> <IP_ADDRESS>-2
[10:46] <Celtiore> same as here
[10:46] <FreeSoul> wait a sec more... i check a thing
[10:47] <FreeSoul> this is Benq mid s6 repository for updates http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mid/s6/it/updates/
[10:47] <persia> If you own the benq kernel, there's no big reason you can't use that in any version of Ubuntu, although if you diverge too far, you might have issues with some userspace stuff.
[10:50] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, can you upload the benq recovery img, i just want to try it on my aigo :)
[10:50] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: it's 800MB, not easy for me
[10:50] <Celtiore> some fresh update on benq rep
[10:50] <Celtiore> do you want ftp access ?
[10:51] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: and probably you are happy to not know how italian adsl work :)
[10:51] <FreeSoul> just a sec
[10:52] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: i need to find the dvd first.... wait it's not usual for me to lost things
[10:52] <FreeSoul> as not saaid, found
[10:55] <FreeSoul> hey hey wait. The kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-2 that is running on benq mid.... i think you may like to have source code :D do you want it?
[10:55] <Celtiore> with the benq rep, i can install some packages :)
[10:55] <FreeSoul> it should have all drivers inside!
[10:55] <Celtiore> sure :)
[10:55] <FreeSoul> persia: i've benq mid kernel source code.... it should have all drivers!
[10:55] <persia> FreeSoul, Check the copyrights, but that sounds *really* promising.
[10:56] <FreeSoul> persia: i check copyright but i don't like to respect that kind of things when i pay for a product that is not working as promised
[10:57] <FreeSoul> persia: here there's nothing about copyright
[10:58] <FreeSoul> Celtiore persia: the dvd recovery of the benq mid comes with isolinux and source code for all packages. Do you need both?
[10:58] <persia> FreeSoul, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your product.  On the other hand, if the copyright and license documentation clearly let you redistribute, I'd go talk to the archive admins and try to get it in Ubuntu.
[10:59] <FreeSoul> persia: i'm searching on the dvd but i can't find any copyright file. Also cosider that the direcroty with source code is called: Open Source Code
[11:00] <FreeSoul> open is esplicative to me :)
[11:00] <persia> FreeSoul, I'm not the person who needs convincing :)  It's that I've had stuff rejected from the archives before for missing a copyright header on a five-line XML file, and it's just frustrating, so I want to make sure the documentation is in place first.
[11:01] <FreeSoul> persia: i estract the source and i tell if you there's anything said on copyright
[11:02] <persia> FreeSoul, Sounds good.  Ideally, we'll discover that there's a license to redistribute, and that it compiles cleanly against the dailies, and we'll be in *really* good shape.
[11:02] <FreeSoul> uhmm i've never used src.rpm how to use it? yum won't install it due to of different arch
[11:03] <FreeSoul> aren't rpm just gz archives?
[11:03] <FreeSoul> seems no :D
[11:03] <persia> Google gives me http://la-samhna.de/library/compile/unpacking.html
[11:04] <persia> Also http://www.lsc-group.phys.uwm.edu/beowulf/medusa/maintenance/rpm_manual.html which suggests rpm -Uvh foo.src.rpm
[11:09] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, i put benq-settings.rpm on my aigo and it work fine :)
[11:10] <FreeSoul> Celtiore:  :) i'm happpy
[11:10] <persia> Aren't both of those rebadged Jax10 devices?
[11:10] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: i'd like to try android and see if it add phone call/sms capabilities. i've found openmokko-dialer in benq mid
[11:11] <Celtiore> persia, yes
[11:11] <persia> Does it have a phone modules?
[11:11] <Celtiore> not the aigo
[11:11] <persia> I'd given up on using the D4 as a phone, but I'm suddenly intrigued.
[11:11] <FreeSoul> persia: i've no idea, it has 2G and 3G
[11:11] <FreeSoul> data module
[11:12] <FreeSoul> but i suspect it may have also phone module
[11:13] <FreeSoul> persia: i've found nothing about copyright.... on the contrary it has all dpatch for drivers. Where can i upload it?
[11:13] <FreeSoul> and what packages source do you need exaclty?
[11:13] <persia> FreeSoul, It's generally impossible for something not to have copyright, which makes me worry.
[11:14] <FreeSoul> persia: i see
[11:14] <FreeSoul> wait a sec
[11:14] <persia> Generally we have to provide the archive-admins with proof that it is copyrighted, and that it is licensed in a way that lets us give them a license to distribute it to all the users.
[11:15] <FreeSoul> it may be written inside the file... let me see
[11:15]  * persia hopes for good luck
[11:15] <persia> Also, I don't know which sources are required : you have the device, so you'll have to say what doesn't work.
[11:16] <persia> I know a bit about packaging, and have been around Ubuntu a while, so once the important part is identified, I'm happy to help get it into the archives if we're allows.
[11:16] <persia> s/allows/allowed/
[11:19] <FreeSoul> persia: the device works perfectly, my problem is that it won't let me install "any" llinux software as i'd like. Also the sw keyboard won't work for apps that are not the few allready installed by default. i managed to have a terminal in gui after a day of work, i tryed opera, skype and so, but nothing, i gotta plug in an usb keyboard. I want a real os, with real repositories, not just the packages that they think i'm gonna u
[11:19] <FreeSoul> these are my problems with benq mid
[11:21] <persia> FreeSoul, That's the easy part to solve with Ubuntu.  The question is in which ways does Ubuntu not work for you?  These are the things that we need to fix.
[11:22] <persia> I know the touchscreen is likely one.  The video driver is probably another (although one can work around with vesa if required).
[11:22] <FreeSoul> persia: actually, using the live, xorg can't start because it can't detect screen
[11:22] <persia> I heard rumors that wireless might be an issue, but that might just be a firmware thing, which might be the same firmware thing that was discussed at the recent release meeting.
[11:22] <FreeSoul> and i can't test vesa since i've only one usb port
[11:23] <persia> Celtiore, You had a bit more luck, right?
[11:23] <FreeSoul> persia: i suspect that wifi card in benq mid is intel 39 and something
[11:23] <persia> Anyone else have this hardware and is testing intrepid?
[11:23] <FreeSoul> so drivers should not be a problem
[11:23] <Celtiore> persia, yes but very light bit :)
[11:24] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, wifi working fine
[11:24] <persia> Then Wifi isn't an issue.  It's just video and touchscreen?
[11:24] <Celtiore> and you can find the marvell rpm on benq rep,
[11:24] <FreeSoul> persia: if i don't go in gui how can i know if touchscreen works? :P
[11:24] <Celtiore> i just downloaded and convert in .deb :)
[11:25] <persia> FreeSoul, Hrm.  Without a hub, I don't know what to tell you.  I've been bugging people about the video for a bit.  I'll try some more (as it's broken on my hardware too).
[11:25] <persia> If the default video driver for Poulsbo can be set to vesa, you should have an easier expereince.
[11:26] <FreeSoul> persia: dunno, i've no idea and unfortunalty at the moment i can't test it
[11:26] <persia> FreeSoul, Understood.  Which version of X is there?  Is it 1.5 or earlier?
[11:27] <FreeSoul> in benq mid?
[11:27] <persia> Yea.
[11:27] <FreeSoul> let me see
[11:27] <FreeSoul> <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:27] <persia> Because I have some source for a Poulsbo driver for X 1.4, but it doesn't compile against 1.5.  If you're on 1.5, we can probably make it work.
[11:27] <persia> Oh, yeah, that's not going to be compatible :(
[11:29] <persia> It's a little late for me here now, but I'll see if I can find the issue with X looking for the broken Poulsbo driver tomorrow : with luck we can force vesa, and on Monday or Tuesday the daily image should be in better shape for you.
[11:33] <pinguozzz> hi!
[11:33] <pinguozzz> i'm a user of an oqo e2 with via unichrome and i don't if i can use normal img from mid sit
[11:34] <pinguozzz> *site
[11:35] <FreeSoul> persia: many huge thanks form here
[11:35] <persia> pinguozzz, We just turned off the openchrome driver today, so no.  You might try -mobile.  I'll see if openchrome compiles for lpia, and maybe, but I think you're better off with i386 (known to support the oqo)
[11:36] <persia> FreeSoul, No, thank you for digging through and reverse-engineering the hardware.  It's different from what I have, and slightly different from what Celtiore has.  Not many people have this sort of hardware, so it takes all of us to make -mid work properly.
[11:36] <pinguozzz> persia: do you think normal i386 ubuntu?
[11:37] <persia> pinguozzz, I'd recommend trying an image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current
[11:37] <FreeSoul> persia: i think i've been the first in the world to buy the benq mid
[11:37] <persia> It's the Ubuntu Mobile image : somewhere between Desktop and MID.
[11:37] <persia> FreeSoul, At least the first person to talk about it here.
[11:38] <pinguozzz> persia: ah ok ^_^
[11:38] <pinguozzz> persia: only one thing
[11:38] <persia> pinguozzz, You can try -mid, but you'll need to hand-compile the video driver, because someone said "Nobody is going to use -mid on openchrome".  Sorry about that.
[11:38] <FreeSoul> persia: can i query you for private talk for a while?
[11:39] <pinguozzz> if i install intrepid i386 from alternative install cd an after i install ubuntu-mobile metapackage
[11:39] <pinguozzz> persia: i can understand because people don't want openchrome on a mid
[11:39] <pinguozzz> :D
[11:39] <persia> Yes, although the image might be easier.
[11:39] <pinguozzz> persia: yes obviosly :)
[11:40] <persia> You also are one of the people I claimed exist that like installing from CDs.  Thank you :)  I've one of those handy devices as well.
[11:42] <pinguozzz> ?_?
[11:43] <pinguozzz> persia: but you say that from today openchrome is not inclused on daily image
[11:43] <pinguozzz> ?
[11:44] <persia> No, it's never been there (it wasn't ever built), but on Friday it was decided that this wasn't a bug.
[11:44] <pinguozzz> ah ok :)
[11:45] <pinguozzz> but img fro mid devices include normal i386 packages?
[11:45] <pinguozzz> can i use it on c7 by via?
[11:47] <persia> I'm not sure.  I think you have to adjust and use the lpiacompat kernel for that processor.  I'd really recommend -mobile for that device, as -mobile is based on i386, and is much more likely to support your hardware.
[11:48] <pinguozzz> uhmm
[12:01] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, always here ?
[12:02] <FreeSoul> I've BenQ MID S6 kernel source code that provides drivers for all hardware (touchscreen, wifi, poulsbo, etc) what can i do? I suppose it could be really usefull. what can I do? it's kernel-<IP_ADDRESS>-2.
[12:02] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: of course :)
[12:02] <Celtiore> if find the touchscreen drivers on the rep updates
[12:02] <Celtiore> xorg-x11-drv-enetouch-0.2.6-2008.08.08.i386.rpm
[12:03] <Celtiore> can you check on your dvd, if perhaps you can find the src files :p
[12:03] <persia> Cool.  Is there a .src.rpm for that?
[12:03] <persia> ogra, Have you heard of enetouch before?
[12:04] <FreeSoul> you mean theese? lol
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-dummy-0.2.0-1.2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-enetouch-0.2.0-2008.07.18.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-evdev-1.1.2-1.2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-keyboard-1.1.1-1.2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-mouse-1.1.2-1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root   4199789 2008-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-touchkit-1.06.0704-1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-v4l-0.1.1-1.1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-vesa-1.3.0-1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-vmware-10.15.0-1.1.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-void-1.1.0-1.2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-08-12 02:15 xorg-x11-drv-wizardpen-0.5.0-2.src.rpm
[12:04] <FreeSoul> sorry for flooding
[12:04] <persia> enetouch and touchkit look like the interesting ones.  I think the rest are already in Ubuntu.
[12:04] <persia> Oh, and maybe wizardpen.
[12:05]  * persia doesn't understand why there are three things that look like possible touchscreen-type drivers
[12:05] <persia> FreeSoul, Do you happen to have an Ubuntu desktop?
[12:05] <FreeSoul> persia: FC9 :) ehehe
[12:06] <persia> Ah, too bad.
[12:06] <FreeSoul> full list of src.prm files on BenQ MID S6: http://www.poetidistrada.com/tdfsroot/benq-mid-s6_src.rpm.txt
[12:06] <persia> I was thinking that if you had an Ubuntu desktop, you could try compiling those against intrepid and see if they work.
[12:06] <ogra> persia, yes, enetouch is one of the six touchscreen drivers we will merge upstream in jaunty
[12:06] <FreeSoul> persia: i've an ubuntu desktop at home to be honest, it's my father pc :)
[12:06] <persia> ogra, Are any of the touchscreen drivers in the source shown there stuff we don't have?
[12:07] <ogra> for jaunty all touchscreens are supposed to be handled by evdev as all other input devices
[12:07] <persia> OK, so then it's kernel drivers that might be an issue, rather than input drivers?
[12:07] <Celtiore> FreeSoul, can you just upload the right files for me
[12:07] <Celtiore> and perhapsi can try to compile for ubuntu ?
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-evtouch
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-tslib
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-elo2300
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-elographics
[12:08] <ogra> xserver-xorg-input-palmax
[12:08] <ogra> thats the set we currently have in intrepid
[12:08] <ogra> though i suspect enetouch devices will be handled by evtouch
[12:08] <Celtiore> ogra i confirm enetouch is for idctouch
[12:08] <persia> OK.  So enetouch and touchkit and wizardpen might all have useful code.
[12:09] <ogra> but note that the usbtouchscreen kernel driver only supports three sets yet
[12:09] <Celtiore> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-5331
[12:09] <persia> Oh, so it's the kernel that is the issue?
[12:09] <ogra>          mtouchusb
[12:09] <ogra>           itmtouch
[12:09] <ogra>           touchkitusb
[12:09] <FreeSoul> Celtiore: tell me what to do, but in private because i've some problem to follow everything
[12:09] <ogra> persia, well, you need both sides
[12:10] <ogra> the kernel needs to provide the /dev/input/eventX side, the X driver needs to provide calibration and input handling at X level
[12:11] <persia> Hrm.  OK.  Well there are kernel sources, but those are maybe harder to isolate and test for API compatibility.
[12:11] <ogra> afaik whats missing for the idctouch is the kernel level driver
[12:12] <ogra> you can make any device you want handled by evtouch with a bit code tweakage for example ... as long as it provides something in /dev/input
[12:12] <persia> That's the plan for the merge, right?
[12:12] <ogra> no
[12:12] <ogra> the plan for the merge is to centralize on evdev not evtouch
[12:12] <ogra> so all X level touchscreen drivers can be dropped
[12:13] <persia> Also X level touchpad, joystick, etc. drivers?
[12:13] <ogra> right
[12:13] <persia> And everything goes into DeviceKit?
[12:13] <ogra> evdev will be the totally generic input driver for all input devices
[12:13] <ogra> DK is kernel level
[12:13] <persia> MIDI too, or everything but MIDI?
[12:13] <ogra> or rather the hal replacement
[12:13] <persia> RIght.
[12:14] <ogra> no idea about midi
[12:14] <ogra> midi that can be handled by hal today will surely be in DK
[12:14] <persia> That's OK.  I suspect the number of people who want to use MIDI to control X are fairly small :)
[12:15]  * ogra needs to go on cleaning the house, RichEd is staying here the week ... back later
[12:36] <Celtiore> thanks you ogra and persia , i hope soon we can help you
[12:37] <persia> Celtiore, No, thank you : I'm sure there are lots of other users out there with that hardware, and it will be great once Ubuntu can support it.
[12:38] <Celtiore> i hope
[12:39] <FreeSoul> i know at least a couple with aigomid
[12:40] <FreeSoul> i need a real distro on my benq mid...  can i wine? :P
[12:45] <persia> FreeSoul, whining won't help much, but with luck, working together, we can make one.
[12:45] <FreeSoul> :)
[12:47] <FreeSoul> ok guys i can't do a lot with empty stomach :) c ya later :)
[13:10] <Celtiore> persia, i find : http://home.eeti.com.tw/web20/TouchKitDriver/linuxDriver.htm
[13:11] <Celtiore> can you explain me please :p
[13:15] <Celtiore> the enetouch.src.rpm does only contains the idctouch.so :(
[13:27] <persia> Celtiore, I don't know much, but I don't see X 1.5 listed.
[13:28] <persia> Maybe the Fedora 9 one works, but maybe not.  Needs testing.
[13:28] <persia> Also, you want to check the license to see if it can be redistributed : maybe it just needs documentation to point people to that website and maybe it can be in Ubuntu.
[13:47] <FreeSoul> persia: i dunno how these kind of things go but since intel has written linux driver for mids... does anybody asked intel in orther to have drivers?
[13:55] <ogra> persia, fedora 9 uses the same X as hardy .... what you need is drivers for 1.5
[13:56] <ogra> FreeSoul, the intel psb driver is not much different to nvidias closed driver ... no way to use it if they dont take care for it to be ported to the right X version
[13:57] <ogra> the same goes for the kernel sided touchscreen driver
[13:57] <FreeSoul> ogra: i see :-/ i didn't know abou this
[13:58] <FreeSoul> orga so my benq mid s6 sources are useless?
[13:58] <ogra> one would hope they open it up at some pont nad just push it to freedesktop.org where xorg upstrem can take care, but that didnt happen yet
[13:59] <FreeSoul> ogra: i see...
[14:00] <ogra> surely not, they likely work for *something* ... note that ubuntu 8.10 is nearly released, if we even could get them in and ported to the right X version that wouldnt happen before jaunty (9.04) development starts
[14:00] <ogra> relese date is in 20 days ... not much will happen beyond fixing of really bad bugs until then in 8.10
[14:01] <ogra> we'll examine your sources for sure to get them into 9.04, promised :)
[14:04] <FreeSoul> ogra: ok so, you need me to upload them somewhere?


[01:33] <lamont> Kamion: I just need to go buy a boatload of DB9F connectors, and you'll have serial
[01:33] <sivang> Kamion: do you know where is the official ubuntu isntallation manual? :)
[01:36] <ogra> sivang: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[01:36] <sivang> ogra: thanks! I am trying to set up lvm on the laptop..I thought of installing over it this time :)
[01:37] <ogra> sivang: not sure if it covers lvm
[01:38] <sivang> ogra: it appears this gets really low coverage ..
[01:39] <ogra> but its a gret system.... i first used it on one if my servers this year (not for / though) and its great
[01:39] <ogra> you can just shrink or grow as you like...
[01:41] <sivang> yes, but how you set it up at first?? :)
[01:41] <sivang> it
[01:41] <sivang> nothing I try at d-i seems to be accepted wrt to the LVM
[01:42] <ogra> dunno, but i guess there is some debian documentation fro that anywhere..... debianplanet.org could be a start
[02:28] <sivang> ogra: I managed to install both / and /home in it :)
[02:28] <sivang> ogra: warty d-i is _superb_
[02:28] <ogra> great:)
[07:02] <lamont> night all
[07:09] <mdz> night
[08:54] <melazyboy> New version of Mplayer released today
[12:04] <__danie1> how can i (in a nice way) make gcc-3.4 default?
[12:57] <__daniel> hmm, is there no other way but changing the symlinks manually?
[05:11] <x4m> Is there any plan to use syslog-ng instead of sysklog/syslogd ?
[08:43] <cenerentola> kamion: "Error 6: Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2" any idea?
[08:43] <cenerentola> Kamion: ... ;) good evening
[08:44] <Kamion> cenerentola: not offhand, check the grub info file
[08:45] <cenerentola> mmm.. how can i..
[08:45] <cenerentola> no live-cd with me..
[08:45] <cenerentola> s/can/could
[08:46] <mdz> you can find a few dozen copies of it with google
[08:48] <cenerentola> yeah.. sorry.
[08:55] <tseng> would it make sense to anyone to do a dual package of muine for gst/xine like totem does
[08:55] <cenerentola> kamion:  sorry i just misunderstood what you meant... the manual says "6 : Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2 This error is returned if the install command points to incompatible or corrupt versions of the stage1 or stage2. It can't detect corruption in general, but this is a sanity check on the version numbers, which should be correct.
[08:56] <Kamion> in that case I have no idea, sorry
[08:56] <cenerentola> what's stage1/stage2..
[08:57] <ogra> heh
[08:57] <Kamion> now that the grub documentation really *does* explain!
[08:57] <cenerentola> Kamion: oki dokie..
[08:58] <cenerentola> ogra: ... i actually didnt get it.. can you explain :)
[08:59] <ogra> what ? my laughing....was about Kamions joke ;)
[09:00] <cenerentola> yep.. that's what i didnt get.. kamion's joke..
[09:00] <Kamion> it's not important
[09:00] <cenerentola> Kamion: ;)
[09:00] <Kamion> it's a misquote more than a joke
[09:00] <Kamion> why is this grub thing on #ubuntu-devel anyway?
[09:01] <cenerentola> Kamion: because im kinda desperate...
[09:01] <cenerentola> and i say The Light in you
[09:01] <cenerentola> s/say/saw
[09:01] <Kamion> well it should be on #ubuntu instead
[09:01] <Kamion> anyway, grub is weird sometimes, try lilo and see if that behaves better
[09:02] <cenerentola> ok.. thanks
[09:44] <Kamion> mdz: should we put ubuntu-keyring in main?
[09:47] <Kamion> ideally on the CD
[10:09] <sivang> (when trying to show off ubuntu for some newbie, win users buddies)
[10:10] <sivang> Kamion: grub has given much better results then lilo , and I am not using both / and /home under lvm. coool.
[10:11] <Kamion> it varies from system to system.
[10:16] <ogra> sivang: you are not using both under lvm ? i thought you did ?
[10:41] <sivang> ogra: I am
[10:41] <ogra> sivang: ah, because you wrote something else above
[10:43] <Kamion> "not" -> "now" I'm guessing
[10:43] <ogra> yep
[10:44] <ogra> i was just wondering because sivang told me yesterday he made it....
[11:22] <sivang> Kamiom, ogra : yes I did it :) sorry for my horroble spelling mistakes.
[11:22] <ogra> sivang: its ok.... dont worry :)
[11:22] <sivang> Anybody know why locale configuration fails on last hoary upgrade?  dpkg fails eventually because of it and I cannot install CLISP.
[11:22] <sivang> ?
[11:22] <sivang> has anything changed over the last day wrt to it? :)
[11:22] <ogra> sivang: just confused me....i was better in guessing on other days :)
[11:27] <sivang> ogra: have you ran into the "locales not set" error from dpkg? (or any other stuff that uses perl)
[11:28] <ogra> nope, not yet...
[11:30] <lamont> Kamion: you around?


[01:52] <Spiffyman> Hi all, I have a quick question about testing...
[01:53] <Spiffyman> I've updated most of the DellInspiron9100 page. A lot of the questions, though, don't have simple answers. Are the questions meant to apply only to the default install?
[02:34] <merlin-linux> happy new year all
[02:35] <Kista_Ubuntu> Hi
[02:35] <Kista_Ubuntu> I have trouble regging my nick?
[02:36] <Kista_Ubuntu> if I want to use Wireless Assistant in my IBM laptop from terminal, whats the command?
[02:50] <Kista_Ubuntu> Hi


[02:12] <nhaines> Hm, quick question.  Does anyone kow if the Ubuntu dual boot script from http://humpolec.ubuntu.com/latest/dualboot.sh still works?
[02:45] <Semore> Hey there, I am hoping someone can guide me through using kubuntu, I have used vista and need to know how to navigate with kubuntu, and to fix whatever didn't install completely or properly that is preventing me from watching dvd's netflix and hulu to start, then i need to check all the default programs that came with the install to make sure I can use them
[02:46] <Semore> I need to learn also, how to use pdf files, word docs, etc saved on stick from windows vista, with this new o/s
[02:55] <nhaines> !support
[02:55] <ubot5`> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[02:55] <nhaines> This channel is for phone and tablet development.
[02:56] <k1l_> Semore: ask in #kubuntu for kubuntu issues
[02:56] <nhaines> k1l_: good catch.
[09:46] <_Sponge> g day .. Morning.
[10:00] <_Sponge> Morning tsimonq2 ! Hello ...
[11:27] <lesamourai> hi , my by aquarius 5 phone is running OTA-9 , can i go back to OTA-7 or other previos version , how if yes?
[11:45] <popey> lesamourai: you can use ubuntu-device-flash and specify --revision
[11:48] <lesamourai> thanku , can you give me any link giving details about this
[11:59] <lesamourai> i kinda found it
[13:42] <Arctic> What channel should I use on my N7.  nhaines?
[13:44] <Arctic> devel-proposed is the top one with the biggest number.  Dailies?  Might as well
[15:20] <OerHeks> oy oy Meizu Pro 5 Ubuntu prospect for February 22 launch
[15:22] <k1l> give link :)
[15:22] <matv1> OerHeks where do you see that info?
[15:22] <OerHeks> http://www.infocrowler.com/infocrowler/uncategorized/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-prospect-for-february-22-launch.html?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
[15:24] <pdq_> What are the chances that this one will have HDMI out? Would be nice to be able to kick the N4 for convergency testing
[15:27] <OerHeks> pdq_, i cannot find that option
[15:44] <matv1>  it has a Type-C reversible usb. wont that be able to connect to a screen?
[15:45] <Arctic> Installing Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5 and it won't boot the rom (multirom).  Any ideas?
[15:45] <Arctic> oh hey pdq_ you're here too :D
[15:46] <Arctic> just sits on the google screen
[15:49] <matv1> probably need an adapter like this https://www.iogear.com/product/GUC3CHD/
[15:55] <pdq_> that would be the cable needed, but according to some forum posts the MX5 pro doesn't support video out
[15:56] <pdq_> :-(
[15:59] <OerHeks> pdq_, maybe it does, all i can see these are rumours sofar
[16:00] <OerHeks> Still, interesting enough to wait and not buying BQ hd5 now.
[16:19] <Arctic> my friend is telling me about a free pornhub premium promotion over facebook
[16:19] <Arctic> kkkkkkkkk
[16:19] <Arctic> k
[16:22] <V99> ?
[17:41] <tathhu> Arctic, promote ubuntu to him/her :P
[17:41] <Arctic> tathhu: tisk
[18:02] <_Sponge> I don't do pron. https://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/
[18:03] <OerHeks> hmmm should be easy to do, buienradar-scope
[18:05] <_Sponge> OerHeks: put it on github & i shall fund itb :-)
[18:05] <_Sponge> **ishall fund it.
[18:06] <_Sponge> damn keyboard !
[18:06] <OerHeks> I think amberalert should be available too.
[18:06] <_Sponge> OerHeks: You on github.com ?
[18:06] <OerHeks> this is worldwide, buienradar is only dutch.
[18:06] <OerHeks> nope :-(
[18:07] <_Sponge> OerHeks: Do it ! Launchpad integrates github automatically :-)
[18:07] <OerHeks> .. now i am registered.
[18:08] <_Sponge> cool. what's your space called /
[18:08] <_Sponge> **called ?
[18:08] <OerHeks> registered name is OerHeks, and email confirmed.
[18:09] <_Sponge> looks good .. https://github.com/OerHeks
[18:10] <_Sponge> You need to register a project & call it " shower radar " .. I'll fund it !
[18:10] <OerHeks> can i call it with the Dutch name?
[18:11] <OerHeks> that might be smarter, no?
[18:11] <_Sponge> No, github is mostly Engeles.
[18:11] <_Sponge> The project can be mirrored/forked at a later date.
[18:11] <_Sponge> antime really :-)
[18:11] <_Sponge> **anytime
[18:11] <OerHeks> licence ..
[18:12] <_Sponge> GPL 3
[18:12] <_Sponge> or Gnu Public License 3.0 to be accurate.
[18:13] <OerHeks> https://github.com/OerHeks/Shower-Radar
[18:17] <_Sponge> OerHeks: Ok you have an issue to solve https://github.com/OerHeks/Shower-Radar/issues/1
[18:18] <OerHeks> Register Snappy App on Launchpad ..
[18:19] <_Sponge> yeps. It needs to be integrated with github.
[18:27] <OerHeks> err i have trouble logging in on launchpad.
[18:30] <_Sponge> ok
[18:31] <_Sponge> well, It's there for you when you set it up.
[18:31]  * _Sponge just copy & pastes hisd launchpad passw into Launchpad :-)
[18:31] <_Sponge> I'm hungry.
[18:35] <_Sponge> veg. soup in the worx.
[18:37] <OerHeks> Oke, just send mail, i will have to wait for answer.
[18:37] <OerHeks> thanks sofar, _Sponge
[18:38] <_Sponge> You can't touch my soup though ;-)
[18:40] <_Sponge> I'm getting someone to-do the balsamic or Ubuntu SDK mkockup as we speak .
[18:42] <_Sponge> I'm using this guy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-OVQ9INkXQ
[18:42] <_Sponge> he's a_bit shy thou.
[21:41] <pyrogun> hey guys, i'm new to porting ubuntu touch. can i ask some questions to you?
[21:42] <k1l> pyrogun: read the porting guide and ask here. but sunday afternoon is this channel quite slow
[21:44] <pyrogun> i already read that guide, but i have to include proprietary blobs. how can i do it? in cm git branch i have only one folder with makefiles, but porting guide said, that there's hardware optional includes. sorry for my bad english btw
[22:31] <_Sponge> pyrogun: I'm off to bed. bye now


[00:18] <jelmer> `nik`: try "bzr cdiff" or "bzr diff --color"
[00:34] <`nik`> jelmer: both are unrecognized commands. maybe its a bzr extension i dont have
[00:39] <jelmer> `nik`: you need bzrtools
[00:39] <`nik`> thx
[09:31] <qquark> how can I see how objects are stored/compressed ? Someone saied about using history in GIT
[12:06] <jelmer> qquark: "bzr info" will give you some basic detailsa bout the format
[12:07] <qquark> sure, but I'm interested to know how much are binary files compress. And if I can do something about this in order to reduce disk usage of the repository
[12:43] <jelmer> qquark: they're compressed; the main question is probably whether they're delta'ed against the right file base
[12:44] <jelmer> the developer docs have some details on the internals
[13:35] <qquark> jjelmer: thanks! I'm a programmer but not proficient with administrating versioning systems. Can you direct me where to look for (docs for which functions)?
[14:03] <jelmer> qquark: not sure from the top of my head. look for brisbane-core and groupcompress under doc/dveloeprs/
[15:23] <qquark> I'll look into this
[15:23] <qquark> If I fix this, I will have a better chance to convince my boss to move to bzr from git
[16:31] <achiang> hello, what does the ? in this output mean? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7925363/
[16:32] <fullermd> Generally, that the rev isn't in the branch.
[16:33] <achiang> that's what i guessed. thank you!


[05:31] <Darxus> Looks like this got badly named:  https://code.launchpad.net/~wayland/wayland/trunk  It should be wayland/weston, not wayland/wayland.
[05:31] <Darxus> Or just weston.
[06:53] <alkisg> Hi, why "Propose for merging" in only visible in some branches and not others?
[06:54] <alkisg> E.g. visible: https://code.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/trunk, not visible: https://code.launchpad.net/~alkisg/+junk/ltsp
[06:59] <micahg> alkisg: AIUI, +junk branches can't be merged
[06:59] <micahg> or rather, aren't meant to be
[07:00] <alkisg> Thank you micahg, the difference there is "+junk" or that it's not part of some project?
[07:00] <alkisg> I.e. can I create a branch not in +junk and without registering a project, and send a merge request?
[07:01] <micahg> alkisg: why would you do that?  why not push it under the same namespace as the project?
[07:01] <alkisg> Ah, ok, gotcha, no reason I just didn't realize that was the correct thing to do
[07:01] <micahg> (if you're merging into something, surely that something has a project attached :))
[07:01] <alkisg> Thanks again
[07:14] <fmarier> i'm wondering why i'm not able to push from a fresh checkout of my project: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1167571/
[07:39] <fmarier> it looks like a locking problem on the Launchpad side
[09:15] <Lockal> Hi. Can anyone tell me, why I have this timeout? OOPS-d7c57f357d0f20c379e1cdb0707ed4ba or OOPS-90d30f080915444ae298fc945ceb7060
[09:16] <Lockal> I removed all tags and still get timeout
[11:04] <shadeslayer> question, does launchpad prefer building some packages over others?
[11:04] <shadeslayer> because I uploaded a package a couple of hours ago and another one a minute ago
[11:04] <shadeslayer> the latter already started building, the former will be built in 11 hours
[11:04] <pmjdebruijn> shadeslayer: the build farm is congested
[11:04] <shadeslayer> pmjdebruijn: I know
[11:05] <pmjdebruijn> so and there can be a different between amd64 and i386 (only=all) builds
[11:05] <shadeslayer> nope
[11:05] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+builds?build_state=building
[11:05] <pmjdebruijn> hmmr
[11:05] <pmjdebruijn> no clue then
[11:05] <shadeslayer> aha
[11:05] <shadeslayer> different priorities
[11:05] <shadeslayer> hence different build scores
[11:05] <pmjdebruijn> oh right
[11:05] <pmjdebruijn> in the changelog
[11:06] <shadeslayer> actually, urgency is low for both
[11:07] <shadeslayer> so how do both of them have different build scores
[11:07] <maxb> Which is the package still waiting?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+build/3744064
[11:07] <shadeslayer> a bunch of them actually
[11:07] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+builds?build_state=pending
[11:08] <shadeslayer> mmm ... I think it might be because of packagesets
[11:08] <shadeslayer> as in, ktp-common-internals is in the kubuntu packageset
[11:08] <shadeslayer> while call ui is not ( iirc )
[11:10] <maxb> Ah, beat me to it - yes, the way the numbers add up it looks like an image packageset bonus
[11:10] <shadeslayer> :)
[11:11] <shadeslayer> while it makes sense to add 50 points for being in the packageset, I don't see why they add 50 points for packages in a PPA :P
[11:11] <shadeslayer> but I guess specializing PPA would add to much code or sth
[15:40] <bjsnider> i'm trying to restart a ppa build due to dependency wait and i'm getting Error ID: OOPS-5127c4a7c589b05e40791dca42cbdb05
[15:40] <TheLordOfTime> bjsnider:  did it say timeout at all?
[15:40] <TheLordOfTime> (if it did, well... LP does that)
[15:41] <bjsnider> yes it did
[15:41] <bjsnider> but i've been trying for 20 minutes now
[15:42] <TheLordOfTime> i think the dep-wait'd ones will start automatically eventually...
[15:42] <TheLordOfTime> assuming you fixed the dep-wait
[15:42] <bjsnider> i did
[15:42] <bjsnider> didn't know they automatically restarted
[15:42] <TheLordOfTime> don't quote me on that yet
[15:42]  * TheLordOfTime checks with a team that would nkow
[15:44] <bjsnider> i wish the one for natty had timed out, but this is the precise build dammit
[15:44] <TheLordOfTime> lol...
[15:44] <TheLordOfTime> guess what, its worse when you're uploading debdiffs to fix security bugs and LP times out on the upload :P
[15:45] <TheLordOfTime> because then you have to wait for it to be resolved, or try again...
[15:45] <TheLordOfTime> and then it fails
[15:45] <TheLordOfTime> or it yells about duplicate stuff]
[16:08] <enc0der> Hello
[16:09] <enc0der> I am having a Failed to Fetch problem hopefully someone can help real quick with
[16:09] <enc0der> Im wanting to upgrade Ubuntu to 12.04.1 but apt-get update gives me this and no updates are found
[16:10] <enc0der> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/pmjdebruijn/gcm-release/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> enc0der:  that ppa probably doesnt have Precise packages then
[16:14] <enc0der> lol mfw when i realize this is under spotify
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> did you look and see what is in that PPA?
[16:14] <jelmer> enc0der: perhaps just an empty PPA, or a PPA with nothing for precise?
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> ^
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> (which is what i said)
[16:15] <enc0der> Sorry I shoulda checked source list first
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> checked
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> that PPA publishes up to Oneiric
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> but not Precise
[16:16] <enc0der> got it, any ideas on how to get Ubuntu to upgrade?
[16:16] <jelmer> enc0der: it should upgrade regardless of this
[16:16] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> the 404 issue is a warning saying it failed to fetch
[16:17] <enc0der> I thought so too but nothing in cli or update manager
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> the upgrade should proceed without incident
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> enc0der:  how're you "upgrading"?
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> what'r eyou on, 12,04?
[16:17] <enc0der> both apt-get and tha gui manager
[16:17] <enc0der> yes
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> and going to 12,04.1
[16:17] <enc0der> ya
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> did you do apt-get update
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> (otherwise, if you haed a list of other upgraded packages, that's really all 12.04.1 is, lots of bugfixes.
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> and stuff from -updates
[16:18] <enc0der> Ya nothing shows
[16:18] <enc0der> maybe its already installed?
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> bjsnider:  micahg says a depwait will resolve itself after a while: micahg> TheLordOfTime: yes, a dep wait should automatically retry at some point (assuming it's in that state and not a build failure state)
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> bjsnider:  just to give you the answer :P
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> enc0der:  it might've already installed
[16:19] <TheLordOfTime> i know the 12.04.1 updates were applied to my unattended-upgrades system, so...
[16:19] <enc0der> Cool, thanks guys I appreciate it!
[16:19] <enc0der> Ok cool
[16:19] <TheLordOfTime> enc0der: the alternative is try another mirror just in case
[16:19] <TheLordOfTime> but they should all be updated by now
[16:19] <enc0der> Ok I will
[16:19] <TheLordOfTime> since 12.04.1's been out for... what...
[16:19] <TheLordOfTime> at least a few days now.
[16:20] <enc0der> ya 17th unofficially
[16:20] <TheLordOfTime> its been out officiallt for a bit now
[16:20] <TheLordOfTime> i know since -updates was thawed :P
[16:21] <TheLordOfTime> so SRUs are now being processed
[16:21] <enc0der> Lol so this woulda been the first to check i guess
[16:21] <enc0der> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[16:22] <enc0der> Next time I shall wait till i wakeup fully to ask stupid questions
[16:22] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[16:22] <TheLordOfTime> dude, i'm not even awake yet
[16:22] <enc0der> Lol
[16:22] <TheLordOfTime> i know what you mean :P
[16:22] <TheLordOfTime> (its why i'm not processing bugs :P)
[16:22] <enc0der> Haha
[16:22] <enc0der> Good call


[22:25] <edupt> I have a zedboard, and I am using a ubuntu 12.04. I would like to use dongle wifi usb, but it is not working. Can someone help me?
[22:25] <edupt> I need to update to 14.04 ?
[22:28] <edupt> Are someone there?
[22:31] <k1l> edupt: maybe you are affected by this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/451463/upgrade-of-12-04-4-lts-to-14-04-lts-fails-on-pandaboard
[22:31] <k1l> is it an armel board?
[22:32] <edupt> no it is a zedboard from xilinx
[22:44] <edupt> k1l: my connection falls... sorry


[04:26] <mup> Bug #1629915 changed: Specifying the default gateway in an interface different than the provisioning one does not work <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1629915>
[22:30] <jiffe> so I'm curious how maas works
[22:31] <jiffe> as far as where these image that are getting loaded come from and how they're managed


[00:55] <bynarie> thank you
[01:23] <elky> bynarie: anything else you need from here?
[15:44] <bynarie> no im sorry, leaving now
[19:58] <Pici> I'm considering banning daftykins for his 'advice'
 daftykins - what happens if python is removed?
 bunjee: you no longer have python.
[20:00] <Pici> user then thinks its okay to remove the python package.
[20:02] <Pici> thoughts?
[20:05] <IdleOne> answer is misleading indeed
[20:05] <IdleOne> probably break half of the system
[20:05] <IdleOne> the other half will just go toes up
[20:16] <Jordan_U> Pici: I think that a discussion in PM would help more than a ban, which seems not quite appropriate. Unless this is part of a pattern with daftykins.
[21:57] <phunyguy> Jordan_U, it's a pattern, and any discussions in PM turn pretty sour.
[21:57] <phunyguy> I've been down this road before.


[00:38] <buda_sk8> Hi!
[00:41] <Cimi> lol
[16:18] <nox-Hand> kwwii: Great that there might be interest for it =] Won't be done with it before next week most likely, got two other projects to finish for next week, and this one is also due next week, so I've got my work cut out =D
[17:46] <kwwii> nox-Hand: keep up the good work :-) let me know when you think it is done
[17:46] <nox-Hand> kwwii: Will do =)
[17:46] <nox-Hand> Currently working on a report for chemistry >_> My groupmate just decided to ditch me since "I can't be bothered since I will be switching school next year and my grades don't matter here anyway since I've been accepted" :|
[19:36] <thorwil> nand_: hi! do you delete double posts on brainstorm?
[19:36] <thorwil> this would be a candidate: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8277/
[19:37] <thorwil> during any kind of submitting data is the worst time for a browser or the connection to act up ...
[19:38] <nand_> thorwil: sure!
[19:38] <nand_> strange, you should not be able to double post...
[19:39] <thorwil> nand_: oh, and the great weather kept me from working, but i will get back to the help icons this weekend.
[19:39] <nand_> meaning, there is a minimum interval of 1 minutes between two idea submission
[19:39] <nand_> thorwil: hehe, so do I :) thanks
[19:39] <thorwil> nand_: it was a very bad idea to hit the back button ... but i was waiting for a timeout which didn't happen
[19:40] <nand_> or you happened to hit a very (un)lucky race condition...
[19:40] <nand_> thorwil: eh did you see your stats on the very-new user page? :)
[19:41] <thorwil> nand_: my stats? nope
[19:41] <nand_> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/contributor/thorwil/
[19:41] <nand_> seems your ideas are not so popular :s
[19:42] <thorwil> *shrug*
[19:42] <nand_> and just for fun, I find a killer: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/contributor/7K/
[19:42] <nand_> found
[19:43] <thorwil> nand_: my system wide shorcut conf idea has some dupes ... it's more defined, though :)
[19:44] <nand_> hehe. Yes, I think the next thing that will need change is the dupe thing
[19:44] <nand_> lots of ideas are almost dup, but no dup
[19:44] <thorwil> nand_: the math captcha is much much nicer than the double line letters
[19:44] <nand_> thorwil: I never got these two lines... I have seen complaits about it
[19:45] <nand_> for me, it's always a single line
[19:45] <thorwil> strange
[19:46] <nand_> I've asked stgraber to move along
[19:46] <stgraber> hi there
[19:46] <thorwil> nand_: huh?
[19:46] <nand_> stgraber: "the math captcha is much much nicer than the double line letter"
[19:46] <nand_> stgraber: I've seen quite a lot of complaints about this
[19:46] <thorwil> hi stgraber
[19:46] <nand_> an idea?
[19:47] <nand_> I never encountered this
[19:47] <stgraber> "double line letter" <-- what do you mean by that ?
[19:47] <thorwil> just today i needed like 4 attempts with the letter captcha, because it showed not only letters in 2 lines, but even had cases of letters exactly lining up vertically
[19:47]  * nand_ is trying to find the "idea" describing this pb
[19:48] <stgraber> thorwil: browser ?
[19:48] <thorwil> stgraber: sometimes the captcha letters appear in 2 lines. ff as it comes with hardy
[19:48] <nand> stgraber: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7079/
[19:49] <nand> a good description here
[19:49] <stgraber> erk, I never had that issue ...
[19:49] <nand> so do I
[19:49] <stgraber> Captcha can easily be changed, the problem being that the math captcha alone is in my opinion too easy to work around
[19:50] <nand> what about the suggested http://recaptcha.net/?
[19:50] <thorwil> do you keep the browser window at full width all the time?
[19:50] <stgraber> yep
[19:50] <nand> ok, did not pass the review, I forgot :s
[19:50] <stgraber> recpatcha is not approved by Canonical
[19:50] <stgraber> otherwise I would use it (I do for my own website)
[19:51] <thorwil> is there a problem with the math thing?
[19:51] <stgraber> yes, a 10 lines long script can workaround it :)
[19:51] <stgraber> any coder can make a spam bot solving those math stuff
[19:52] <nand> the letter one should not be any harder to skip
[19:53] <stgraber> it's because it's heavily using CSS positioning stuff
[19:53] <stgraber> you can't just parse the page and takes 2 values, do some math and push the result
[19:53] <stgraber> images captcha would be better but for some reasons it doesn't work at all
[19:54] <thorwil> had to deal with youtubes image captcha today. first attempt failed, no fun
[19:56] <stgraber> nand: http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/user/captcha/captcha/examples (requires admin access)
[19:56] <stgraber> we can maybe replace the CSS one by the ASCII art one
[19:57] <nand> oh yeah, it's a nice one :)
[19:59] <stgraber> done
[20:00]  * nand is writing the announcement


[22:55] <ali1234> and the ubuntu part is specially modified to use android drivers
[22:55] <epertinez> oh, i didn't knew it.
[22:55] <baruch6132> When it's finished will it be android base?
[22:55] <epertinez> so it is like ubuntu for android but ubunut rulling?
[22:56] <ali1234> epertinez: no, it's not like that at all
[22:56] <mainerror> baruch6132: What do you mean?
[22:56] <ali1234> epertinez: ubuntu for android runs under virtualization with a normal kernel. this is running on an android kernel.
[22:57] <baruch6132> Like when ubuntu is actually on phones and retail, will it be android based?
[22:57] <dank101> baruch6132, maybe...
[22:57] <epertinez> its ubunut with android kernel then (more or less).
[22:58] <ali1234> epertinez: yes, android kernel and also android drivers... which requires some tricks because android uses different libc
[22:58] <epertinez> androidx86 worked on exopc, so that could give me hope...
[22:58] <ali1234> epertinez: the actual UI could be run on any Qt system, if you repackaged it all, but the infrastructure isn't in place to do that yet
[22:59] <mainerror> mhall119: I think the Ubuntu SDK just doesn't like me. Just manually removed all qt packages and reinstalled them from the PPAs. Still nothing. :(
[23:00] <epertinez> ok. ali1234, thank you very much. youu've been extremely helpfull.
[23:01] <shaneo1> im starting over with 12.10 in a Vbox
[23:02] <shaneo1> not quite ready for 13.04 yet
[23:03] <popey> 13.04 is broken in vbox anyway
[23:03] <shaneo1> in vbox if you want 13.04 insall 12.10 then upgrade
[23:05] <shaneo1> is there a website with a list of apps being worked on other than the core apps?
[23:08] <popey> shaneo1: no, upgrading wont work
[23:08] <netcurli> shaneo1: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/hKR6xsi33cf
[23:08] <shaneo1> great thanks netcurli
[23:09] <shaneo1> what command are you using popey
[23:09] <shaneo1> to upgrade
[23:09] <popey> its not the upgrade that's broken
[23:09] <popey> it's compiz in 13.04
[23:10] <shaneo1> oh right yeah of course
[23:10] <ali1234> lol... compiz
[23:10] <shaneo1> I know what a joke
[23:10] <ali1234> you could always switch to gnome classic
[23:10] <shaneo1> eek
[23:10] <shaneo1> boring
[23:10] <ali1234> runs well in vbox
[23:10] <ali1234> unlike... pretty much everything else
[23:11] <shaneo1> i remember when 10.10 worked like a dream
[23:11] <popey> yeah, you could use some other desktop of course
[23:11] <ali1234> yes, 10.10 was best :)
[23:11] <ogra_> compiz runs fine on my raring chromebook ...
[23:11] <ali1234> but enough of that :)
[23:11] <shaneo1> thats the day I ditched windows 7
[23:11] <popey> indeed
[23:11] <ogra_> popey, you should just switch to a sane processore architecture :)
[23:14] <popey> Why yes, I have been considering going back to Z80.
[23:14] <ogra_> LOL
[23:14] <ogra_> on your wrist watch you mean (btw, that casio is a beauty)
[23:15] <ali1234> can i run ubuntu touch on this? : http://www.wilson.co.ltd.xfou.com/kingbig.jpg
[23:16] <shaneo1> i still have my Z80+ in the loft at my parents with a lot of cassette games ZX Spectrum 128A+ with a light gun :)
[23:16] <popey> yeah ☺
[23:16] <shaneo1> ali1234 the screen is way to big
[23:17] <ali1234> but it has Z80 cpu...
[23:18] <drap> rst $38
[23:18] <IbrahimA> hmm Z80 was also in the original game boy and TI 83 right?
[23:19] <bcurtiswx> where should one talk about app devel issues for ubuntu mobile apps ?
[23:19] <ali1234> yes
[23:19] <ali1234> bcurtiswx: here i guess
[23:20] <bcurtiswx> im trying to use QtQuick.LocalStorage but i get errors of QSQLITE driver not loaded but don't know how to add it.
[23:23] <popey> bcurtiswx: qtdeclarative5-localstorage-plugin is probably missing, apt-get it
[23:23] <bcurtiswx> popey, i have that
[23:24] <fmunozs> file:///usr/share/notepad-qml/Models/DataModel.qml:103: Error: Driver not loaded Driver not loaded
[23:24] <fmunozs> that error bcurtiswx?
[23:25] <fmunozs> QSqlDatabase: QSQLITE driver not loaded
[23:25] <bcurtiswx> fmunozs, yes
[23:25] <fmunozs> and that
[23:25] <popey> i found i got that error the first time, not the second
[23:25] <fmunozs> yea, same issue here just installed localstorage plugin
[23:26] <bcurtiswx> i already installed it yesterday, still get this error, at the top i added "import QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0"
[23:27] <bcurtiswx> this may be a stupid question, does order of import play any role in things working or not ?
[23:28] <goga> hi
[23:31] <bcurtiswx> fmunozs, foudn the fix,
[23:32] <bcurtiswx> fmunozs, sudo apt-get install libqt5sql5-sqlite
[23:33] <fmunozs> bcurtiswx, nice! I was searching for libqt5sql-lite
[23:35] <bcurtiswx> so how should we save sqlite data between app sessions?
[23:37] <bcurtiswx> or maybe a better understanding of sqlite. I create a new database, where does that database go ?
[23:40] <ali1234> bcurtiswx: it goes into a file, cos that's what sqlite does
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> ali1234, thx. where does this file disappear off to ?
[23:40] <ali1234> that's up to you as developer
[23:40] <ali1234> you set the name you want
[23:42] <bcurtiswx> i've specified no location yet, where would a default location be ?
[23:42] <ali1234> i have a feeling that if you don't specify a location it makes a database in memory only
[23:42] <ali1234> but i'm not 100% sure of that
[23:42] <ali1234> and i've never used SQLite in QML
[23:42] <bcurtiswx> ali1234, i quit the app and started it up again and new entries show
[23:43] <ali1234> ssh into tablet and run find -iname '*.sqlite'
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> ali1234, ok. thanks
[23:44] <ali1234> you might also check QDeclarativeEngine :: offlineStoragePath()
[23:48] <BHSPiMonkey> Hello all. Is it fairly simple to get from a desktop 13.04 installation on a nexus 7 to the new interface? Perhaps something as simple as apt-get install ubuntu-touch?
[23:49] <ali1234> BHSPiMonkey: hi :)
[23:49] <ali1234> no, it's not nearly that simple
[23:50] <BHSPiMonkey> wonderful :P
[23:50] <ali1234> there's some deep magic going on. ubuntu-touch runs on top of android, and uses android drivers
[23:50] <BHSPiMonkey> oh my
[23:51] <ali1234> i don't think the flashing tool works if you have ubuntu-arm on the phone already
[23:51] <ali1234> but you can flash it manually
[23:51] <BHSPiMonkey> I wonder why they didn't just build it out on top of the existing ubuntu port
[23:51] <ali1234> BHSPiMonkey: because the idea is to make it run on *any* android phone
[23:51] <BHSPiMonkey> ali1234: I'm currently multibooting
[23:51] <ali1234> android as BSP
[23:52] <ali1234> BHSPiMonkey: i'm not sure if that makes it more complicated...
[23:52] <barry> is anybody else getting spammed by fox_yrjkmk on the mailing list?  (i.e. hundreds of messages but just from that addr)?
[23:52] <ali1234> ubuntu touch is supposedly compatible with multirom
[23:52] <ali1234> but this is not supported
[23:53] <BHSPiMonkey> right
[23:53] <ali1234> try xda forums
[23:53] <ali1234> the roms are here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/
[23:53] <ali1234> you need all the "grouper" ones, plus quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[23:54] <BHSPiMonkey> are these standard clockworkmod-compatible zips?
[23:54] <ali1234> yes
[23:54] <ali1234> well they are CWM compatible
[23:54] <ubuntubhoy> There are flashable zips on XDA
[23:54] <ali1234> as for "standard"...
[23:54] <BHSPiMonkey> what's the difference between the zips on cdimage and the "flashable" zips on xda?
[23:54] <ali1234> i have no idea
[23:55] <BHSPiMonkey> I take "flashing" to mean installing via the cwm recovery menu
[23:55] <ali1234> normally android roms are one big zip... these are split up for some reason
[23:55] <ubuntubhoy> they push via the installer
[23:55] <ali1234> BHSPiMonkey: it's certainly possible to install these that way
[23:55] <ali1234> but i don't know what will happen to your existing install if you do
[23:55] <ali1234> also you might need to format some partitions or you might run out of space
[23:56] <ubuntubhoy> and if you nandroid first, copy it to an external source
[23:56] <ubuntubhoy> some have 'went missing'
[23:56] <BHSPiMonkey> I have the 32gb n7, I should be okay I think
[23:56] <ali1234> better to be safe
[23:56] <BHSPiMonkey> ubuntubhoy: stolen by sabdfl!
[23:57] <ubuntubhoy> its not a space issue
[23:57] <BHSPiMonkey> I was answering the "you might run out of space" message
[23:57] <ali1234> well, there's not one big partition...
[23:57] <BHSPiMonkey> which sounds like a space issue at first glance
[23:57] <ubuntubhoy> no
[23:57] <ubuntubhoy> you have dif partitions
[23:58] <ubuntubhoy> regardless of 8,16,or 32G
[23:59] <ali1234> basically you need a minimum of 1.5GB free on /data due to way it unpacks
[23:59] <bcurtiswx> if i want qml to take the text of a ListItem and make it strikethrough, how would I do that?
[23:59] <ali1234> bcurtiswx: you can style Qt elements with CSS


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[22:36] <Cyber_Thankist> Всем привет
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[20:47] <Encrypt> Hi!
[20:47] <Encrypt> So what has happened to the count in the messaging menu?
[20:48] <Encrypt> I had managed to have it working with µTox
[20:48] <Encrypt> But now, the count never appears
[20:51] <Encrypt> Hum, works again
[20:51] <Encrypt> Weird


[03:12] <robert_ancell> Riddell, ping
[03:12] <robert_ancell> (or any other Kubuntu dev)
[08:07] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:39] <rodrigo_> hmm, ssh-agent is broken for me, I guess I need an update
[08:51] <xclaesse> Hm, natty never remove the message "To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>"."
[10:27] <rodrigo_> brb
[10:42] <rodrigo_> anyone knows what's wrong with ssh-agent? It never asks me for a password when using bzr, git, rsync, etc
[11:10] <rodrigo_> ugh, system quite broken after last upgrade :(
[11:10] <rodrigo_> hey pedro_
[11:11] <pedro_> hello rodrigo_
[11:11] <rodrigo_> pedro_, not taking holidays?
[11:12] <pedro_> rodrigo_, i'm taking some starting the next friday (24) until next year
[11:12] <pedro_> rodrigo_, you're on holidays right?
[11:12] <rodrigo_> pedro_, ah, cool :-)
[11:12] <rodrigo_> pedro_, was last week, back to work this week
[11:12] <rodrigo_> and off next week again :)
[11:12] <pedro_> cool!
[11:13] <rodrigo_> pedro_, are you using latest natty updates?
[11:15] <pedro_> rodrigo_, haven't updated my machine today yet, anything broken?
[11:15] <rodrigo_> pedro_, lots, that's why I ask, wanted to know if you had the same problems
[11:15] <rodrigo_> ssh-agent is the worst one
[11:15] <pedro_> ok let me update to check
[11:16] <rodrigo_> have to mow to a vt to use bzr, git, rsync, etc
[11:16] <rodrigo_> move, not mow
[11:18] <rodrigo_> ugh, and now umount for a drive I mounted by hand is taking ages
[11:25] <pedro_> rodrigo_, just updated and everything works fine here
[11:25] <rodrigo_> hmm
[11:26] <rodrigo_> I guess it's something with the GNOME3 PPA then
[12:23] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:00] <rodrigo_> hi cyphermox
[13:03] <cyphermox> hey rodrigo_!
[13:20] <xclaesse> cyphermox, hello... any progress with nm-applet crash?
[13:52] <udienz> Hello Ubuntu-Desktop Team
[13:52] <udienz> i need your help for my merge proposal
[13:52] <udienz> https://code.launchpad.net/~udienz/ubuntu/maverick/light-themes/light-themes.fix549365/+merge/42840
[13:53] <udienz> dholbach recommended me to ask at here
[13:59] <udienz> bug 549365
[13:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 549365 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "Terminals have a translucent background (affects: 3) (heat: 29)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549365
[13:59] <udienz> thanks before
[14:33] <charlie-tca> bryceh: Is bugbot your script?
[14:34] <cyphermox> xclaesse, yep, I'll upload the update in a minute
[14:41] <cyphermox> xclaesse, it's uploaded now. just give it time to build, and it should be fixed (here it works, no more crash with my 3g dongle)
[14:41] <momelod> greetings channel.  I've broken my power management on my latop after upgrade to 10.10.  basically i cannot run gnome-power-manager.  When i do, i get this error: http://pastebin.com/hYRuMB7Q
[14:41] <momelod> i can no longer sleep or hibernate (unless i manually run `/etc/acpi/sleep.sh`)
[14:41] <momelod> but the option to sleep, hibernate are missing from my logout menu
[14:41] <momelod> and, there is no battery monitoring happening either, so my laptop will drain the battery completely unless im there to power off beforehand.
[14:48] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, ping
[14:56] <cyphermox> momelod, you should ask about this in #ubuntu, this is a channel for Ubuntu development. you may want to reinstall upower to fix this, but I'm just taking a wild guess there ;)
[14:57] <momelod> thanks.. tried re-installing upower..
[14:57] <momelod> no luck
[14:57] <momelod> but thanks
[15:18] <mvo> tremolux: hey, I merged the inline-purchase branch, nice work :) if you could update trunk so that the experimental-faststart one merges, that would be nice
[15:18] <tremolux> thanks mvo!  will do
[15:19] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: pong
[15:19] <mvo> thanks tremolux
[15:21] <joaopinto> which package should I use to file a bug for the global menu ?
[15:43] <rodrigo_> joaopinto, libdbusmenu-gtk
[15:43] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, I don't remember what I wanted to tell you :-)
[15:44] <joaopinto> rodrigo_, I was told to use appmenu-gtk
[15:44] <rodrigo_> ah, that might be it
[15:45] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: if it was about couchdb-glib it's still on my list - I was just busy with more urgent stuff like work :). I'm planning on getting back to it after christmas.
[15:46] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, no hurries, don't worry
[15:46] <dobey> kenvandine: can you sponsor https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/natty/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/use-defer/+merge/44358 ? :)
[15:46] <kenvandine> sure
[15:48]  * pitti waves
[15:48] <dobey> thakns
[15:48] <dobey> hey pitti
[15:48] <pitti> hey dobey, how are you?
[15:49] <dobey> alright. yourself?
[15:50] <pitti> pretty well, thanks! enjoying my holidays
[15:52] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[15:54] <dobey> nice
[15:54] <kenvandine> dobey, you should have changed the dist to natty while touching the aptdaemon stuff in the music store
[15:55] <kenvandine> dist="maverick"
[15:55] <kenvandine> and
[15:55] <kenvandine> PARTNER_LIST = "canonical-partner-maverick.list"
[15:57] <dobey> hrmm
[15:58] <kenvandine> makes me wonder how banshee handles installing the codec
[15:58] <dobey> i don't think it does yet
[15:58] <kenvandine> i am pretty sure there is some mechanism, but i bet it isn't via the partner repo
[15:59] <dobey> i didn't realize it hardcoded that
[15:59] <kenvandine> dobey, kind of fragile huh ? :)
[15:59] <kenvandine> i bet there is a better way
[15:59] <kenvandine> lsb_release or something
[15:59] <dobey> yes
[16:00] <kenvandine> would be better to grab that from /etc/lsb-release then
[16:01] <dobey> preacher.preach(choir)
[16:01] <dobey> would be better to abstract that more
[16:02] <dobey> so that the right thing can be done on !ubuntu
[16:03] <kenvandine> want to fix that before i sponsor this?
[16:04] <kenvandine> or should i do a quick s/maverick/natty/ and sponsor?
[16:05] <kenvandine> dobey, ^^
[16:05] <dobey> kenvandine: i'll file a bug; do a quick s/maverick/natty/ for now
[16:06] <kenvandine> will do
[16:06] <kenvandine> thx
[16:07] <dobey> i'm surprised nobody has complained about this yet. we build nightlies on lucid, maverick, and natty
[16:08] <kenvandine> weird
[16:26] <kenvandine> dobey, nobody complained because it only matters on new installs
[16:27]  * gnomefreak cant find menus at all
[16:30] <kenvandine> jasoncwarner, meeting?
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> kenvandine:
[16:30]  * kenvandine wonders if it will be just you and i :)
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:30] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner
[16:31] <kenvandine> and pitti
[16:31] <kenvandine> :)
[16:31] <pitti> I'm at home, so I can as well join :)
[16:31] <jasoncwarner> pitti: morning :)
[16:31] <jasoncwarner> Alright...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-12-21/
[16:32] <tremolux> hiya  everyone  \o
[16:32] <jasoncwarner> rodrigo_: Riddell: cyphermox: tremolux: mterry: meeting time...
[16:32] <rodrigo_> hey kenvandine
[16:32] <kenvandine> hey rodrigo_
[16:33] <jasoncwarner> Anyone else around?
[16:33] <Riddell> hi
[16:33] <jasoncwarner> First things, please be sure to update the above link with any interesting items for the week.
[16:34] <jasoncwarner> I don't think we had any actions from last week so we can dive right in to
[16:34] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Unity
[16:35] <kenvandine> no didrocks :)
[16:35] <jasoncwarner> without seb or didrocks, not sure what kind of update we can give. Anyone?
[16:35] <rodrigo_> :)
[16:35] <kenvandine> nope...
[16:35] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Software Center
[16:36] <mterry> hi
[16:36] <tremolux> summary is posted on the meeting wiki
[16:36] <tremolux> :)
[16:36] <tremolux> (unless you want me to paste here -- but I think we stopped doing that)
[16:36] <jasoncwarner> tremolux: works for me
[16:37] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Kubuntu
[16:37] <Riddell>  * KDE built on ARM and PowerPC in natty
[16:37] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.4.5 in lucid-proposed for testing
[16:37] <Riddell>  * KDevelop Beta in
[16:37] <Riddell>  * 4.6 release candidate due today to packagers
[16:37] <Riddell>  * Akonadi beta packaged
[16:38] <jasoncwarner> Thanks, Riddell. Anything you wanted to add?
[16:38] <Riddell> nope
[16:38] <jasoncwarner> if not, I didn't see it on the template but
[16:38] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Partner update?
[16:39] <kenvandine> nothing... nobody was around for the meeting
[16:39] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:39] <jasoncwarner> one of those weeks....
[16:40] <jasoncwarner> X.org is later today
[16:40] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Tools and Processes
[16:41] <jasoncwarner> Anyone have anything for tools and processes updates?
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] AOB?
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> shortest.meeting.evar!
[16:43] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[16:43] <pitti> :)
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> [END MEETING]
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> Well then!
[16:43] <rodrigo_> :)
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> don't forget to update the weekly summary
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> that is it! Thanks everyone.
[16:44] <tremolux> woo!  thanks everybody
[16:44] <kenvandine> :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> happy holidays to everyone
[16:44] <mterry> :)
[16:44] <cyphermox> happy holidays ;)
[16:45] <pitti> happy holidays and merry christmas everyone!
[16:45] <cyphermox> kenvandine, know anything about the unity cmake process?
[16:45] <cyphermox> I just found out there is an issue... here I get some weird behavior just for compiz files in bzr bd; it tries to install /
[16:46] <cyphermox> d'oh
[16:46] <cyphermox> tries to install /home/mtrudel/Projects/build-area/unity.../debian/tmp/home/mtrudel/Projects/build-area ... ;)
[16:47] <Amaranth> It did that to seb128 too
[16:47] <cyphermox> hrm.
[16:47] <Amaranth> it doesn't do it on the actual buildds though
[16:48] <Amaranth> he hacked around it for a local build, we couldn't figure it out
[16:48] <cyphermox> it's most likely something specific to building with bzr bd
[16:48] <cyphermox> heh, pbuilder it is then
[16:48] <kenvandine> humm
[16:48] <kenvandine> cyphermox, no... sorry :)
[16:48] <cyphermox> ;)
[16:48] <cyphermox> thanks :)
[17:03]  * pitti goes back to holiday mode; see you everyone!
[17:40] <dobey> kenvandine: well, it only matters when the music store is first used. that may not be the same time as install
[17:43] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:17] <ari-tczew> could someone tell me why I should merge on lp:~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu instead on default bzr branch for natty?
[18:17] <ari-tczew> according to Robert's comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/ubuntu/natty/farsight2/lp-690736/+merge/43800
[18:19] <micahg> ari-tczew: well, it's where the VCS headers point, but it's out of date :-/
[18:20] <ari-tczew> micahg: Agreed. This branch seems to be another than Ubuntu source.
[18:20] <micahg> ari-tczew: Robert might be on in about 3-4 hours if he's not on vacation yet
[18:22] <ari-tczew> micahg: Do you think that leave a MemoMsg is a good option?
[18:22] <ari-tczew> I'm not sure whether 3-4 hours I'll be in bed.
[18:22] <micahg> ari-tczew: if you won't be on then, sure
[18:24] <bryceh> charlie-tca, yes
[18:25] <charlie-tca> great! It doesn't change the status when it leaves a comment that the bug is being close
[18:26] <bryceh> charlie-tca, hrm
[18:26] <charlie-tca> bryceh: I like what bugbot does, but I think it should change status to invalid when it says the bugs are closed
[18:26] <bryceh> charlie-tca, I noticed that but thought I fixed it.  Was this a recent change (within the last week?)
[18:26] <charlie-tca> 17th
[18:26] <bryceh> charlie-tca, yeah it's actually supposed to set to Expired
[18:27] <charlie-tca> The bug I caught today was commented 12-17, so maybe it is fixed, then. I will keep my eye open for later than that changes
[18:27] <charlie-tca> do you want the status changed on the bugs I come across?
[18:27] <bryceh> yeah it runs once a week
[18:28] <bryceh> I'll disable it until I get a chance to figure out why it's busted
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[18:28] <bryceh> charlie-tca, yeah if you could update those statuses, that'd be a huge help
[18:28] <charlie-tca> I can do that. Just wanted to make sure I was doing something right.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> bryceh: latest one I came across was bug 659405
[18:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659405 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Xorg crashes on suspend (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659405
[18:36] <ari-tczew> micahg: even so, I can't merge it with ubuntu-desktop branch. reason: This branch is not mergeable into lp:~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu.
[18:38] <kamusin> just for curiosity, will be gnome-system-tools included in ubuntu natty?
[18:38] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: you can't merge it into ~ubuntu-desktop branch as those track only packaging.
[18:39] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: heh, Robert could inform me instead requiring merge.
[18:39] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: you should branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu locally, add your changes, and then push and request a merge.
[18:40] <kamusin> there isn't a 'user' way to sync date/time with a ntp server under natty or I am too blind ...
[18:40] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: I'll try, but I remmeber that 6 days ago I couldn't do anything on this branch. Dunno why. Odd data.
[19:11] <mterry> kamusin, go to your clock and click on Time & Date Settings
[19:12] <mterry> kamusin, but that's a better question for #ubuntu which is the support channel
[19:13] <dobey> what is it that keeps screwing up my compiz settings every time i upgrade compiz?
[19:27] <ari-tczew> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~ari-tczew/ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu/lp-690736": No such project: ubuntu-desktop
[19:27] <ari-tczew> how can I create a branch related to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu ?
[19:28] <ari-tczew> hmmm, I tried another way
[19:28] <ari-tczew> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~ari-tczew/farsight/ubuntu/lp-690736/": : Cannot create branch at '/~ari-tczew/farsight/ubuntu/lp-690736
[19:29] <ari-tczew> could anyone help me?
[19:31] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: maybe you? ^^
[19:31] <kenvandine> mterry, ping
[19:31] <mterry> kenvandine, hi
[19:31] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: have you tried lp:~ari-tczew/ubuntu/farsight/lp-690736/ ?
[19:31] <kenvandine> mterry, do you have a general idea of the status of the gir transistion?
[19:32] <mterry> kenvandine, mostly done
[19:32] <mterry> :)
[19:32] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: or lp:~ari-tczew/farsight/lp-690736
[19:32] <kenvandine> mterry, doko wants someone to email ubuntu-devel with a status and a brief note on what people should do if they run into a package that hasn't been fixed
[19:33] <cyphermox> ari-tczew, non-related, could you please take another look at my cnetworkmanager merge request?
[19:33] <kenvandine> mterry, think you can do that?
[19:35] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah, sure
[19:35] <kenvandine> thx
[19:35] <kenvandine> i've been fixing what i see
[19:36] <dobey> ari-tczew: lp:~owner/distro/series/sourcepackage/branchname
[20:10] <ari-tczew> dobey: you're wrong. We've discuss about this above. It's branch unrelated to Ubuntu. Just ubuntu-desktop stuff.
[20:12] <dobey> ari-tczew: ubuntu-desktop is just a team. the branches are just the packaging branches where changes are staged for going into ubuntu itself.
[20:14] <ari-tczew> dobey: Robert Ancell asked me to merge into ubuntu-desktop/farsight instead Ubuntu packaging.
[20:16] <ari-tczew> cyphermox: I can.
[20:16] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: thanks! your advice was helpful.
[20:18] <cyphermox> thx
[20:32] <geser> mterry: re gir ABI chnage: did the directory for .gir files also change?
[20:32] <kklimonda> geser: no :)
[20:33] <mterry> geser, no
[20:33] <mterry> whoops, too slow  :)
[20:33] <geser> so gir1.2-* packages install in /usr/share/gir-1.0/?
[20:34] <mterry> geser, yup, it's a bit of a mess
[20:34] <mterry> geser, the file itself says what abi it is
[20:34] <kklimonda> geser: yes - that's how upstream have decided to do that.
[20:34] <mterry> as a field in the xml
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> bryceh:  and robert_ancell:, you guys ready for meeting? :) should be really quick
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-12-21
[22:01] <RAOF> Howdie hi :)
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> RAOF: hey!
[22:01] <robert_ancell> yup
[22:03] <robert_ancell> quick western meeting..
[22:03]  * bryce_ waves
[22:03] <bryce_> I think RAOF's out this week
[22:03] <RAOF> Am I?
[22:03] <bryce_> RAOF, or not
[22:04] <bryce_> RAOF, thought you took the rest of the year off?
[22:04] <RAOF> I got a bit confused by canonicaladmin; it's possible that I'm on holiday for the last 3 days.
[22:04] <RAOF> bryce_: No, just the start of last week.
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> RAOF: I think so ;)
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> I think you are ;)
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> ok...getting going...
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] X.org update
[22:06] <RAOF> A bunch of patches have finally landed upstream!  Yay!
[22:06] <RAOF> A bunch of our patches, though, so it's not very interesting for the non-X people :)
[22:07] <bryce_> I did some updates to the X apport scripts.  Also not very interesting for the non-X people.  But will cut down on stray error messages in bug reports and generally clean stuff up.
[22:07] <bryce_> also, I'm chatting with the compiz folks about possibly merging the X and compiz apport scripts
[22:08] <bryce_> the scripts are already 90% the same stuff anyway, and we are always bouncing bugs back and forth between compiz / mesa / etc. so it makes sense
[22:09] <bryce_> my thinking is that this may make diagnosing unity X-ish bugs a tad easier
[22:09] <jasoncwarner> ok....
[22:09] <jasoncwarner> Anything else for X.org?
[22:10] <jasoncwarner> nothing else?
[22:10] <RAOF> Oh.  Kubuntu users who find that X crashes when logging out have some testing packages.
[22:10] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] aOB?
[22:10] <bryce_> canonicaladmin is *painfully* slow
[22:10] <bryce_> everyone must be checking their xmas holidays at the same time ;-)
[22:11] <jasoncwarner> bryce_ agreed
[22:11] <bryce_> we could probably code a replacement in the time it takes to wait for it to refresh ;-)
[22:12] <bryce_> nothing else from me; been a really short week for me due to sick + vacation time
[22:13] <RAOF> Nothing else here, either.
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> well then
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> I htink
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> [END MEETING]
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> !
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> :)
[22:14] <bryce_> thanks
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> next meeting is in january !
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> enjoy holidays!!!!
[22:15] <RAOF> While I'm here with a small captive audience, how useful would other people find a Do plugin that indexes your gnome-keyring and lets you copy passwords to the clipboard?
[22:21] <cyphermox> RAOF, ah, cool idea
[22:25] <RAOF> Well, there's one other person who'd like it.  I guess I'll release it with the rest of do-plugins then :)
[23:54] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: around?
[23:55] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, yup
[23:55] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: I proposed new merge to ~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu
[23:56] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, thanks for that
[23:56] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: when do you going for holiday?
[23:56] <robert_ancell> 24th
[23:57] <robert_ancell> back on the 3rd
[23:58] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: I hope that I'll prepare some merges to sponsor by you tomorrow.
[23:59] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, awesome.  btw, if you subscribe ubuntu-desktop to do the merges they show up on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html (I'll probably end up doing them anyway)


[12:44] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: test for https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/mmbCycleWindows/+merge/292441 ?
[12:45] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, oh yeah, will add :)
[17:52] <Trevinho> ltinkl: hey,  I checked the problem with the screensaver API...  Actually it wasn't an unity issue,  but an unity-settings-daemon...  It in fact implements the protocol,  but not completely. That's why I didn't implement that inside unity7 at the time...
[17:52] <Trevinho> mzanetti_: FYI... too
[17:52] <Trevinho> I'll fix that anyway
[18:30] <ltinkl> Trevinho, thanks for checking, would be great to have it!
[18:31] <Trevinho> ltinkl: yeah, sure... I want to watch netflix without having to press any key as well :)
[20:11] <mhall119> olli_: kgunn: ping, do you two want to be part of the Ubuntu Personal convergence Q&A, and if so are you both available at 1900 UTC on Wednesday?
[20:11] <kgunn> mhall119: aren't we doing that as part of the kickoff tomorrow?
[20:12] <olli_> kgunn, the kick-off is read only
[20:12] <olli_> i.e. you only read your slides
[20:12]  * kgunn prefers the read-only method :)
[20:13] <kgunn> mhall119: sure
[20:13] <kgunn> probably be good to have Saviq and bregma there too if they're available
[20:13]  * kgunn foresees a ton of "i want to hack libertine so i can..."
[20:13] <olli_> mhall119, I don't think I am available
[20:14] <mhall119> kgunn: Saviq is already on the list, along with will
[20:14] <kgunn> great
[20:15] <mhall119> bregma has his own session on libertine/puritine
[20:15] <mhall119> on tuesday
[20:15] <mhall119> so you can always tell people to go back and watch it :)
[20:15] <mhall119> olli_: do you want to be on the Q&A? If so, we can find another day/time for it
[20:16] <olli_> I am traveling so I don't think we should schedule around me
[20:16] <olli_> mhall119, unless you suggest I should be there
[20:17] <mhall119> dpm wanted to have you there
[20:17] <mhall119> I think so you can confirm some of the higher-level roadmaps and commitments


[02:07] <pleia2> phew, articles all added
[02:08] <pleia2> I put all the decent alpha1s in a section together in blogosphere
[02:25] <MrChrisDruif> Great pleia2 =)
[14:55] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks  - working on summaries today :-)
[16:38] <pleia2> thanks, I'll send out the email to summary writers now :)
[16:50] <MrChrisDruif> I'm missing links to Ubuntu Cloud, JuJu & Community Team meeting logs?
[17:04] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: yeah, we're just working on summaries now, those will be filled in by the end of the weekend if they happened
[17:06] <MrChrisDruif> They didn't happen this week?
[17:33] <pleia2> I don't know, akgraner will look into it when she finishes that section :)
[17:34] <MrChrisDruif> Alright =)
[17:34] <akgraner> yeah I don't have those
[17:34] <akgraner> I've emailed and asked for them and those are new so we might not get those this week
[17:34] <akgraner> which is fine  - and I'll just hound people for next week
[17:36] <akgraner> and by new I mean the community team just started holding IRC meetings and I have the server team meetings but I don't know if we have specific cloud and juju IRC meetings yet
[17:36] <akgraner> I added those but it's a work in progress :-)
[17:41] <akgraner> Plus these meetings aren't discoverable I need to go back to those teams and let them know, b/c if they aren't easy for us to find then they aren't easy for the rest of the community to find - so we need to facilitate that change :-)
[17:42] <akgraner> bbiab - updating RAM time :-) woo hoo!
[17:59] <MrChrisDruif> akgraner; so the JuJu Charm School isn't their meeting?
[18:00] <pleia2> no, that's more like a classroom session
[18:00] <pleia2> a meeting would be where the team discusses plans, direction, etc
[18:01] <MrChrisDruif> I know, was just wondering as I noticed it on my agenda
[18:03] <MrChrisDruif> Do official derivatives also get on the Weekly Ubuntu Development Team Meetings?
[18:03] <MrChrisDruif> Like Lubuntu..
[18:03] <pleia2> we could add them
[18:17] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, nope
[18:17] <akgraner> that's charm school not a team meeting
[18:17] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, pleia2 told me already akgraner =)
[18:18] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, oops sorry I missed that
[18:18] <MrChrisDruif> It's alright =)
[18:18] <akgraner> We would need to add a derivatives section  to UWN but we can work on that as well
[18:19] <akgraner> I need to get this section ironed out as well and get the links added to the Fridge  - I think we have links to the derivatives on the Fridge as well but I need to update those as well
[18:20] <akgraner> I'll get the full list and track those down for 245 unless you want to do that MrChrisDruif?  if so I'll fix the googledoc and template for 245 :-)
[18:21] <MrChrisDruif> I was only talking about the official derivatives. Xubuntu and Lubuntu I believe?
[18:22] <akgraner> There are 12 now
[18:23] <akgraner> So we would need to include the all
[18:23] <pleia2> 12?
[18:23] <akgraner> yep :-)
[18:23] <pleia2> kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, studio, mythbuntu
[18:23] <akgraner> Did you not read my interview with Kate :-P
[18:23] <pleia2> what else?
[18:23] <akgraner> one sec let me snag the list
[18:23] <pleia2> I go by this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives
[18:24] <akgraner> KS: We just introduced two new flavor of Ubuntu, 'Lubuntu', and ‘Ubuntu Core’ with the Oneiric Alpha3 release. This brings us up to 12 official flavors, we currently have Ubuntu, Ubuntu Server, Ubuntu Cloud, Ubuntu Netboot, Ubuntu Core, Kubuntu Desktop, Kubuntu Mobile, Xubuntu Desktop, Edubuntu, Mythbuntu, Ubuntu Studio and Lubuntu.
[18:24] <MrChrisDruif> I only see 6 on ubuntu's page: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives
[18:24] <akgraner> pleia2, yep that list needs to be updated - I'll poke Kate about it
[18:25] <akgraner> So I'll work on that next week :-)
[18:25] <pleia2> I didn't think Ubuntu Cloud was a derivative, and Ubuntu certainly isn't
[18:25] <akgraner> I'm just going by what Kate told me
[18:25] <pleia2> Ubuntu Server is also official, not a derivative AFAIK
[18:25] <akgraner> well 11 then :-)
[18:25] <MrChrisDruif> pleia2; it says flavors, not derivatives
[18:26] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: ah, I thought you were asking about derivatives
[18:26] <akgraner> I'll work it out with Kate and Rick then
[18:26] <pleia2> official, flavors and derivatives are very confusing
[18:26] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but what akgraner mentioned was about flavors ;-)
[18:26] <akgraner> official
[18:26] <akgraner> oops
[18:27] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[18:27] <akgraner> I mean "official flavors" which I took to mean as official but so much is changing with the derivatives I'll get Kate and Rick to clarify next week
[18:27] <pleia2> thanks :) it seems all the documentation says something different
[18:28] <pleia2> I always thought http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives was accurate as far as official derivatives
[18:28] <akgraner> totally agree so I'll work on this
[18:28] <akgraner> I'll see if Pete can straighten it out for us
[18:32] <akgraner> Emailing Rick now - so let's plan on adding this new section in issue 245
[18:32] <pleia2> thanks akgraner!
[18:34] <akgraner> pleia2, no worries - I'm surprised we're the only ones asking this
[18:36] <MrChrisDruif> Asking about the derivatives you mean? I did it because I'm tied to multiple projects, among which is Lubuntu (now official) derivative =)
[18:39] <akgraner> nods I tried with alpha 1 last cycle :-)
[18:56] <MrChrisDruif> akgraner; got an empty template for me by any chance?
[18:56] <akgraner> for the whole newsletter
[18:56] <akgraner> you can look at 244 and select Raw text and you can see it
[18:57] <akgraner> I won't add the new section until I set up 245 but I added the section already on the googledoc
[18:57] <akgraner> if you look there now you'll see it
[18:59] <akgraner> As soon as I hear back from Rick I'll fix the template so it's always there
[19:00] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks
[19:03] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, starting with Issue 245 can you take responsibility for updating the Derivative Team Meetings section?
[19:05] <MrChrisDruif> It's just adding the links?
[19:05] <akgraner> yep - to the meeting logs each week
[19:06] <akgraner> those links should change each week
[19:07] <MrChrisDruif> I think that should be doable
[19:07] <MrChrisDruif> Especially Lubuntu will be pleased about this change =)
[19:09] <akgraner> :-)
[19:09] <akgraner> I'm excited I just want to make sure we roll it out correctly
[19:10] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, we should
[19:10] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe we could even let the team add their links to UWN
[19:11] <akgraner> they will forget
[19:12] <akgraner> so it's easier if we just do it - less stress
[19:12] <akgraner> for us
[19:12] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I guess so =)
[19:13] <pleia2> well, we could ask them to add it to the google doc, but we do typically end up having to it ourselves anyway ;)
[19:14] <MrChrisDruif> Haha
[19:14] <pleia2> the trouble with some of the derivatives is that it's all volunteer-based so sometimes the meeting minutes don't come out immediately (xubuntu tends to have a bit of a lag between meeting and notes)
[19:14] <pleia2> unlike the core Ubuntu teams, where it's their paid job to do meeting minutes :)
[19:18] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, I've only been in community teams ;-)
[19:18] <MrChrisDruif> And with that sweet bot meetingology it isn't that big of a deal
[19:22] <MrChrisDruif> akgraner; you aren't an Ubuntu Member?
[19:30] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, I am
[19:31] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, just didn't use your ubuntu address for the mailing-list?
[19:32] <akgraner> depends
[19:32] <MrChrisDruif> "Ubuntu-news-team list run by nali at ubuntu.com, akgraner at gmail.com, nhandler at ubuntu.com, lyz at ubuntu.com"
[19:32] <akgraner> my gmail defaults to my ubuntu address - but sometimes I use the gmail address
[19:32] <akgraner> my gmail is my default lp adress
[19:33] <akgraner> so when it got added that was the one that was used
[19:34] <MrChrisDruif> Ah =)
[19:34] <akgraner> I'm pretty sure that the other email address is in there as well that's just the one that comes up
[19:59] <akgraner> pleia2, did you see any posts about the Ubuntu Badge campaign? If not I'll see if I can find it - the Canonical Marketing folks are hoping for 10K badges by the 8th
[20:00] <akgraner> which is why you should be seeing badges on peoples twitter and FB pics these days
[20:01] <pleia2> akgraner: I vaguely remember some mention of it, but I don't remember where
[20:02] <akgraner> I know I tweeted it as did others and I got an email from them asking me to help promote it , but the got a follow-up saying wait we need to change the badge wording..:-/
[20:03] <akgraner> I'll email them and see if I can get the right wording then add it before Monday if I can get that clarified
[20:03] <akgraner> Maybe jono mentioned it somewhere as well - I'll track that down
[20:03] <pleia2> ok :)
[20:04] <pleia2> yeah it could have been tweeted, plused, whatever, I haven't been able to keep up with social media much this week beyond blogs (work work)
[20:04] <pleia2> darn work getting in the way of fun :)
[20:16] <akgraner> :-) don't I understand that
[20:17] <akgraner> ok have the first 3 summaries done - I'll finish up this evening and tomorrow so that all we have to do is review and publish on Monday
[21:30] <akgraner> pleia2, Pete is traveling so I'll have more free time this weekend...he flies out in the morning
[21:46] <pleia2> I'm working all weekend (big, scary migration) so I'll mostly be around but busy :)
[21:47] <akgraner> pleia2, have fun with that :-)
[21:59] <bkerensa> akgraner: Might you be available to edit something on fridge?
[22:00] <akgraner> Sure ...
[22:00] <bkerensa> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/12/02/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-6/
[22:00] <bkerensa> On the 6th paragraph about the Ubuntu Debian thing in portland
[22:00] <bkerensa> it should start with a heading :D
[22:00] <bkerensa> dholbach I think is afk for the weekend so I didnt get to point that out to him
[22:00] <akgraner> I wondered about that when I was summarizing it...
[22:00] <bkerensa> :D
[22:00] <bkerensa> yeah
[22:01] <akgraner> I'll fix it right quick
[22:01] <bkerensa> kk
[22:01] <akgraner> anything else I don't want to spam the planet
[22:01] <bkerensa> I think thats it :D
[22:03] <akgraner> ok it matches the Ubuntu Developer Week heading :-)
[22:06] <bkerensa> akgraner: Thanks :) Funny thing is when dholbach and me and the other guy on his team were meeting on hangout last week we discussed exactly what to do if a typo or something occurred and he was gone :P
[22:06] <akgraner> no worries - just ping someone here and we'll help ya out
[22:06] <bkerensa> kk
[22:08] <akgraner> It's only an emergency when ya can't breathe  :-)
[22:11] <MrChrisDruif> Edubuntu doesn't have meetings anymore?
[22:47] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, we try to cover the derivatives as we get links to blog posts etc - and if your goal by including the Lubuntu meetings is to get Lubuntu mentioned in UWN the the easiest way is to write a blog post and we can include the summary...
[22:48] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: You've been working them all day...
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> No, the Lubuntu team wanted to have their meeting minutes also included in UWN
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; ??
[22:49] <akgraner> see if highvoltage is around and ask him about Edubuntu  - they are really active
[22:49] <akgraner> and doing some great things
[22:50] <akgraner> I was just curious that's all - b/c to be honest the summaries get more views than the plain links
[22:51] <akgraner> but we can get it all sorted throughout the next week with the teams - and we can email them all as well and let them know we are adding this new section etc
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> That should be sweet. Because I couldn't find Edubuntu's meeting notes as of right now
[23:00] <akgraner> thanks for driving this :-) much appreciated...
[23:01] <akgraner> bbiab - dinner time with my hubby before he leaves for a week...