[01:47] <misterno> topic
[02:24] <Fritigern> Suddenly, Kubuntu has decided to prohibit the execution of shell scripts from the desktop, even if it is a linked one. The message is "The file desktop:/<script_name> is an executable program. For safety it will not be started". I have used that script for a long time and i want to keep using it from the desktop. How can I restore the old behaviour?
[02:42] <valorie> Fritigern: I was getting that for awhile too
[02:42] <valorie> have you upgraded to plasma 5?
[02:43] <Fritigern> I have been using P5 for a couplew of months now. But i recently added the packports PPA.
[02:45] <Fritigern> *backports (stupid typos)
[02:47] <Fritigern> valorie: How did you fix this issue? If at all.
[02:48] <valorie> Fritigern: I think I removed it and readded it
[02:49] <valorie> the xdg-data-dir path is now different
[02:49] <valorie> rather than ~/.kde/* it is now ~/.config and ~/.local
[02:50] <valorie> somehow or other I fixed it, and that must have been it
[02:51] <Fritigern> I'm afraid that I already knew about ~/.config, though I have yet to explore ~/.local, though I don;t know what I could/should look for
[12:04] <Guest77126> Hi, i am haveing problems downloading and installing updates on Kubuntu 15.04. http://hastebin.com/yahepemaku.avrasm
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:36] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:39] <admin-g> hello is anybody online??
[13:39] <lordievader> admin-g: See /names
[13:40] <admin-g> lordievader i am having some problems with kubuntu desktop enviorment on ubuntu 15.04 when i start my computer it goes right into kubuntu and i get a blackscreen and the mouse
[13:41] <lordievader> admin-g: Does alt+f2 get your krunner?
[13:42] <admin-g> lordievader i can get there but no commands work it doesnt even ask me to sign in
[13:44] <lordievader> admin-g: Is that blackscreen after you login or before?
[13:44] <admin-g> lordievader before
[13:45] <lordievader> admin-g: Hmm, interesting. What graphics card and driver do you use?
[13:46] <admin-g> lordievader its intel HD and the drivers are the ones from the open source when you install ubuntu
[13:47] <lordievader> Intel and a black screen? Wow. Try nomodeset perhaps that fixes things.
[13:47] <lordievader> !nomodeset
[13:48] <misterno> any news on when will 14.10 come out
[13:48] <admin-g> should i put that in the terminal??
[13:48] <admin-g> misterno ubuntu 14.10??
[13:48] <misterno> sorry 15.10
[13:48] <misterno> kubuntu
[13:48] <lordievader> !schedule
[13:49] <misterno> !schedule
[13:49] <lordievader> 29-15:49 < ubottu> A schedule of wily werewolf (15.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[13:49]  * lordievader is back in a bit
[13:50] <admin-g> misterno ohh haha i was like wuut umm its 22 of oktober i think
[13:50] <admin-g> misterno not 100% tho so dont hate me lol
[13:50] <misterno> what about plasma 5.4 backport
[13:51] <misterno> will that come sooner
[13:53] <admin-g> misterno bro all the flavors come at the same time as ubuntu 15.10 does right now ubuntu and all the flavors or at alpha or something
[13:53] <misterno> i see
[13:55] <admin-g> misterno sorry they are in beta and its the 22nd of october that they will release
[14:01] <excalibr> Hi. how do you change panel opacity in 15.04?
[14:02] <excalibr> I dont see the option in panel settings
[14:03] <admin-g> excalibr did you try to google it?
[14:05] <SouL__> Guys, where are the wallpapers saved? I don't remember where I placed my actual wallpaper, and I would like to know if there is some directory in Plasma pointing to the wallpaper or something.
[14:05] <soee> excalibr: i thnk you can't.
[14:05] <soee> SouL__: custom wallpaper ?
[14:10] <SouL__> Yes soee
[14:10] <soee> so it is where you had it
[14:11] <soee> try to hover wallpaper thumb and see its name, than search for this file
[14:13] <BluesKaj> or create a wallpaper folder in ~/ and copy some of your fav pics over then choose yjr "open folder ' option in desktop settings
[14:13] <lordievader> misterno: It might be that 5.4 will never be backported to Vivid.
[14:14] <BluesKaj> yjr/yr/your
[14:14] <SouL__> soee: I don't have the HDD where I placed the wallpaper, so i think is stored somewhere else too
[14:14] <misterno> lordievader i see, most likely will come with 15.10
[14:16] <lordievader> misterno: That is what I think. Wily will get it first anyways and it is still at 5.4 beta (last time I checked). So I think, just my thoughts, 5.4 will go to Wily only since it is a lot of work to backport it to Vidid. And since the support window for Vivid is rather short it ain't really worth it.
[14:26] <alvin> I just came in here to look for those backports. I'm fed up with 5.3's bugs.
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Wily's a mess on my pc, so i'm giving up on it for a while
[14:39] <lordievader> BluesKaj: A mess how?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> unusable , ..freezes and crashes
[14:40] <lordievader> Hmm...
[14:40] <BluesKaj> and i don't like it anyway ...plasma 5 isn't for me
[14:41] <BluesKaj> I'm very disappointed in the direction KDE /Kubuntu is going
[14:43] <BluesKaj> sticking with 14.04 for now
[15:37] <r3dks> Hi, I just upgraded to 15.10 beta via 'do-release-upgrade', but I'm not sure I see KDE Applications 15.08 apps. Dolphin, for example, still seems to be the 4.x version. Do I need to upgrade the kde packages separately?
[15:37] <r3dks> (I'm sorry if this is not the right channel for unreleased/beta discussions)
[15:41] <soee> 15.08 aren't yet in archive
[15:41] <soee> some parts amybe
[15:42] <r3dks> soee: Oh, ok. I saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta1/Kubuntu#KDE_Applications_15.08 and thought they were in
[15:43] <soee> not yet, kopete is a bit hard to package in this release
[15:43] <soee> and it holds back apps
[15:45] <r3dks> soee: ok, will check back later. Thanks!
[16:19] <ejay> Last update for wily is just great. Bravo.   This is a family friendly channel.
[16:25] <soee> ejay: hey, you have stable Unity you can use :)
[16:26] <ejay> unity is trying to invent circle. useless.
[16:27] <soee> atm. there is a lot happening in Kubuntu packaging that may cause troubles thats why development versions aren't recomended for daily use
[16:28] <soee> alse there was this gcc transition in ubuntu
[16:28] <ejay> "stable" is as usable as alpha so yeah
[16:28] <soee> ejay: anyway you did fresh install ?
[16:30] <ejay> soee: fresh install - what for?
[16:34] <soee> ejay: i'm just asking if you are trying some fresh install or if you did upgrade. Anyway as ia said, atm. a lot is happening with packages and not all will work as expected. For example today updates want to remove kubuntu-dekstop, okular etc. :)
[16:35] <soee> i suggest to stay with on Vivid or LTS and if you decide to use Wily please be ready to have something broken
[16:36] <soee> you/we can't expect all will work all the time on developement version. tbh. it is impossible :)
[16:37] <ejay> im on wily because it is working better then 15.04. everything were fine till last update when plasmashell decided to go full retard.
[16:39] <soee> please define retard ?
[16:39] <soee> did you tried upgrade to 5.4 ?
[16:40] <nishikino-maki> KDE5.4.... i think it's will be added wayland support?
[16:41] <soee> there is no KDE 5.4, it is Plasma 5.4
[16:43] <ejay> soee: i'm in a process of looking for cause of high as hell plasmashell hunger for cpu, removing cache files did not help.
[16:43] <soee> ejay: on what Plasma version ?
[16:43] <ejay> soee: 5.3.95?
[16:44] <soee> oh ok, maybe you want to try 5.4 final if you are not afraid something might break :)
[16:44] <ejay> yeah, its 5.3.95. up to date wily alpha 1
[16:46] <ejay> soee: is it in backports?
[16:46] <soee> ejay: no, backports for Wily are empty as there is not higher version to backport anything from
[16:46] <soee> Plasma 5.4 is in staging ppa
[16:48] <ejay> soee: mkay, thanks
[16:52] <ejay> soee: is it ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma ?
[16:53] <soee> ejay: yes
[16:53] <ejay> soee: thanks
[16:54] <soee> ejay: but one package probably wont upgrade, it is plasma-nm beaus eit requires one package that is currently in proposed ppa, so you either enable proposed ppa (than might break your system) or download this package and install manualy
[16:57] <ejay> soee: hahahahaha
[16:58] <soee> i'm not sure what is funny here
[17:00] <ejay> I was like "i will spend 30 mins with Rosseta Stone" and now I need to fix that mess.
[17:01] <ejay> it is funny IMHO
[17:18] <ejay> Ok, lets assume that I want to help to make plasma better. I want to file a bug report but have no clue where to look for clues what broke plasmashell. Symptons: plasmashell is eating 25% of cpu. Clearing cache is not a solution.
[17:19] <ejay> It started just after booting my laptop. Everything was fine till today.
[18:34] <admin-g_> hello guys i was wondering how to change the path of webstorm when i try to start it the computer gives me a alert window saying "could not launch <path to webstorm.sh>" i went to that path toonly to be reminded that i moved my webstorm to another path
[19:20] <Fritigern> admin-g_: As a workaround, you could set a symlink at the the old webstorm location. I should allow webstorm to work again until you find a more permanent solution.
[19:31] <admin-g_> Fritigern what do you mean with a syslink
[19:35] <admin-g_> Fritigern nvm i think i got what you meant what i did was i took the Webstorm folder it tried to open and placed it where it thought it was and it is working with no problems now
[19:56] <KNRO> Will 15.10 ship with Plasma 5.4 ?
[20:02] <yofel> yes
[20:14] <reborn> how it stable for kubuntu 15.04?
[20:17] <soee> what ? :)
[20:17] <reborn> How it stable for kubuntu 15.04? is good or waiting for next the new verison?
[20:18] <soee> well it should be stable, but keep in mind it uses Plasma 5
[20:18] <reborn> Yes, i am aware of that.
[20:18] <soee> and using backports ppa is recommended to get 5.3.2
[20:19] <ejay> reborn: 15.04 is not stable and ready for daily use
[20:19] <reborn> i see.
[20:20] <soee> ejay: maybe for you. it worked perfect for me since very first betas :)
[20:21] <ejay> soee: lucky you
[20:21] <soee> i'v been using it on 3 machines before jump to Wily on all of them
[20:23] <soee> ejay: i think it is impossible to make system fully work on 100% machines, so i think we can call 15.04 stable but each shoudl test it
[20:24] <reborn> nice
[20:25] <reborn> soee, what's your spec computer?
[20:26] <akasic> youll find flash issues, power management issues, power off issues, not able to unninstall some themes and then juts push to bash...
[20:27] <soee> reborn: they are various, my parents have some Core2duo + nvidia, i'm working now on Dell laptop (i7, nvidia, 8GB ram), at work i have intel cpu + nvidia
[20:28] <akasic> few plasma widgets
[20:28] <soee> akasic: power off issue shoudl be fixed with 5.3.2
[20:28] <ejay> soee: plasma in 15.04 is just broken. with wily stability is far better. that was a such stupid idea to jump into plasma with 15.04.
[20:28] <soee> lso what flash issues ?
[20:28] <akasic> uncompability when installing other window managers, the wm selector may turn black
[20:29] <akasic> etc
[20:31] <akasic> are the developers going to make something with the plasmoids? any way to make them for 5
[20:32] <reborn> I see. i am fan of AMD.
[20:32] <akasic> nah, is flash specific probably
[20:32] <reborn> and i am not interest in games.
[20:32] <akasic> one than visualizing videos, its open the audio over the finished one, in the same window, instead of going to the next page, on utube
[20:33] <soee> akasic: what plasmoids/widgets ?
[20:33] <akasic> as u see, my computer may differ from yours
[20:33] <akasic> for example, the moons of jupiter or the solar-system
[20:34] <soee> akasic: this is not related to Kubuntu but Plasma :) you should ask on #plasma if there are any plans to port them to Plasma 5
[20:35] <akasic> ok hnx
[20:35] <akasic> thnx
[20:38] <reborn> so how about new feature for 5.4?
[20:38] <akasic> i must recognize that in the last 4 weeks, it increased its stability and strange issues had decreased a lot
[20:39] <akasic> also, in the last updates, my battery was behaving very strange (not broken) and sometimes charge, and ohers not, my solution was to open the pc, and extract the built-in battery
[20:40] <akasic> after that, the pc became very smooth and fast
[20:43] <reborn> which is link for latest update?
[20:50] <akasic> for an image or what
[21:45] <reborn> i am now installed kubuntu 15.04, which link for backport to update?
[21:49] <strayPuppy> Hey guys, is there anyway to restart the desktop after is crashed?  my icons, menu bars and backgrounds are gone, but my apps are still running?
[21:50] <strayPuppy> oops forget, it just came back on.
[21:50] <strayPuppy> still would like to know what is the command, cause it has happened before.
[21:51] <bprompt> strayPuppy:   http://askubuntu.com/questions/213680/how-to-restart-kwin-when-it-is-hung
[21:51] <strayPuppy> bprompt: wow, thanks!
[21:54] <strayPuppy> that's exactly what I needed    Cheers!
[21:55] <bprompt> np


[12:07] <Burgwork> SimonAnibal: not really on a friday afternoon
[12:07] <SimonAnibal> heh
[12:09] <Burgwork> thoughts?
[12:16] <SimonAnibal> yes
[12:16] <SimonAnibal> sorry, in irl conversation at the same time
[12:18] <SimonAnibal> Burgwork: still alive?
[12:18] <Burgwork> somewaht
[12:18] <Burgwork> less every minute
[12:19] <SimonAnibal> I see
[12:19] <SimonAnibal> So, my thoughts on the development of ubuntu-directory is as follows
[12:19] <SimonAnibal> Novell is now position to proclaim that it's easy to integrate NLD into existing Microsoft Networks
[12:20] <SimonAnibal> I know that's going to be a HUGE success for them in the U.S. market
[12:20] <Burgwork> yep
[12:20] <Burgwork> until MS sues somebody
[12:20] <SimonAnibal> right, anyhow
[12:20] <SimonAnibal> I'm expecting my own IS people
[12:21] <SimonAnibal> to strongarm me into switching to Novell
[12:21] <Burgwork> so need a backup
[12:21] <Burgwork> so you need, rather
[12:21] <Burgwork> here is the skiny
[12:21] <SimonAnibal> One way I can fend them off, is to get my Ubuntu workstations integrated somehow
[12:21] <Burgwork> oliver grawert of Edubuntu is pushed hard for something for feisty
[12:21] <Burgwork> you can do it know, it is just a pain
[12:21] <SimonAnibal> Ok, and I can tell you the MOST IMPORTANT part, strategically
[12:22] <SimonAnibal> is to get something that can connecting workstations to an existing microsoft network
[12:22] <SimonAnibal> I don't mind the pain
[12:22] <Burgwork> ok, that is more serious pain
[12:22] <SimonAnibal> You can help me by writing a simple howto, and I can flesh it out with real life experience
[12:22] <Burgwork> ajmitch is bringing the new version of samba3, which can apparently do
[12:22] <SimonAnibal> You I mean the team
[12:22] <Burgwork> right
[12:23] <SimonAnibal> With my real life experience, and the team's expertise, do you think we can get SOMETHING together by Feisty
[12:23] <Burgwork> yes, because orga is going to have something
[12:24] <SimonAnibal> Alright, I've done afew things by reading howtos
[12:24] <SimonAnibal> but they don't really explain the whys and such, so when I had questions, I was screwed
[12:24] <SimonAnibal> e.g. I've gotten the workstations to authenticate off the AD server using kerberos
[12:24] <SimonAnibal> But if I signed in that way I had no sound
[12:25] <Burgwork> ah, that is easy
[12:25] <Burgwork> that is due to group permissions
[12:25] <SimonAnibal> Later I learned from Jorge that I was maybe supposed to autheticate using LDAP instead?
[12:25] <Burgwork> AD is LDAP
[12:25] <SimonAnibal> Ok, so these are the sorts of things I don't know, and I feel if I keep bumbling through this I'm going to create a bad system
[12:26] <Burgwork> yep
[12:26] <SimonAnibal> With the team's expertise, we can create a good system, and even if it's quick and dirty, I can set it up and get something running
[12:26] <SimonAnibal> I can be your guinea pig
[12:26] <SimonAnibal> And let you know where the rough spots are that really need work
[12:26] <Burgwork> I am already a guinea pig, but for a fully ubuntu system
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> Yeah, see, I'm in an otherwise homogenous MS system
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> and I'm your target customer for Fesity
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> Feisty
[12:27] <SimonAnibal> If Ubuntu can deliver that interoperability, then we can keep Novell from kicking us out of U.S. Enterprise settings
[12:27] <Burgwork> you are also a school, so talk to Edubuntu
[12:28] <SimonAnibal> I'm in ubuntu-education
[12:28] <Burgwork> ogra in particular
[12:28] <Burgwork> #edubuntu
[12:28] <SimonAnibal> edubuntu is only concerned with LTSP as far as I can tell
[12:28] <SimonAnibal> I've been on th edubuntu mailing list since last school year
[12:28] <Burgwork> until now, yes
[12:29] <SimonAnibal> Well, I understand big changes are underway
[12:29] <Burgwork> ogra has ignored the auth stuff, but that is a major target for feisty
[12:29] <Burgwork> ogra has ignored the auth stuff because somebody else always said they were going to do it
[12:30] <SimonAnibal> I'm working closely with Richard Weideman in the "Ubuntu and Education" community, but I'll talk to ogra and see how we can get this done
[12:30] <Burgwork> cool
[12:31] <Burgwork> you are going to make a great poster child for Ubuntu in schools
[12:31] <SimonAnibal> As far as I can tell you, this piece is NOT education specific
[12:31] <SimonAnibal> which is why I joined this Launchpad team
[12:31] <SimonAnibal> Hah, if I can keep from being made to use Novell, I'll do my best
[12:32] <SimonAnibal> is ogra Oliver Grawert?
[12:32] <Burgwork> yes
[12:32] <Burgwork> I have FC at work and that is what our product is based off of
[12:32] <SimonAnibal> Ok, I've interacted with him on the edubuntu mailing list
[12:32] <SimonAnibal> He hasn't been speaking on there about the auth piece
[01:36] <Burgwork> whiprush: you around?
[04:00] <bmonty> does anyone have ssh kerberos authentication working?
[04:04] <Burgundavia> bmonty: whiprush does
[04:16] <bmonty> Burgundavia: just to make sure, the default openssh-server package does not do kerberos, correct?
[04:16] <Burgundavia> no idae
[04:36] <nkassi_> Hey
[04:57] <bmonty> got it working, you just have to add GSSAPIAuthentication yes to sshd_config
[05:15] <robertj_> I wonder why that is off by default
[05:25] <bmonty> speed up the logon maybe?
[05:25] <bmonty> it won't have to try and fail the GSSAPI method
[06:09] <nkassi_> Yike I hadn't seen this quote from ballmer today: "You get no covenant not to sue if you chose Oracle"
[06:09] <nkassi_> Ugly
[06:09] <Burgundavia> nkassi_: linky?
[06:10] <nkassi_> printed article in NY Times
[06:10] <nkassi_> It might be online let me check
[06:12] <nkassi_> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061103/ZNYT01/611030352/1001/BUSINESS
[06:12] <nkassi_> reprint
[06:25] <nkassi_> I wonder if they will attack the little guy or go after people like Google and IBM ? That is what killed sco. To much to chew
[06:27] <nkassi_> actually Google+IBM's market cap = Microsoft's. Estimating that IBM probably has patent on a lot of Microsoft's stuff this is FUD
[06:40] <whiprush> Burgundavia: yeah
[06:51] <nkassi_> On the client side will Evolution be automatically set to use the contacts from the ldap server ?
[06:52] <nkassi_> or should it ?
[07:05] <Burgundavia> evo needs some "autoconfig" love
[07:09] <Fujitsu> I think Evo needs to be attacked with something... fatally perhaps?
[07:10] <Fujitsu> I think it has gone down-hill recently :(
[07:10] <nkassi_> hehe, So  I guess this is work. I would love to use thunderbird but the calendar is not really an option yet
[07:10] <Burgundavia> no, I don't think it has
[07:10] <Fujitsu> Sunbird isn't too bad.
[07:10] <Burgundavia> not GNOME
[07:10] <Burgundavia> doesn't integrate tightly
[07:11] <nkassi_> Sad that it ends up being that way ;0)
[07:11] <Fujitsu> True, but it does work better in some ways.
[07:11] <nkassi_> I agree (except dont
[07:11] <Burgundavia> it is because Mozilla doesn't give a damn about Linux
[07:11] <nkassi_> 'try to read a folder with 13000 email while downloading email)
[07:12] <nkassi_> just discovered that bug
[07:13] <Burgundavia> evo got lost in the shuffle at Novell
[07:13] <nkassi_> Burgundavia: What are the type of issues between gnome and thunderbird ?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> and the current evo team has the challenge of being on the wrong side of the world
[07:13] <Burgundavia> nkassi_: more that moz doesn't spend much effort integrating into Linux
[07:33] <Burgundavia> hmm, rh is looking to expand their ds team
[07:33] <Burgundavia> http://redhat.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=633
[07:37] <nkassi_> interesting. Know any good Ubuntu dev that could be used to infiltrate RH and help the Ubuntu domination ;0)
[07:38] <Burgundavia> right
[07:38] <Burgundavia> rh is not evil
[07:38] <Burgundavia> in so far as a corp is not evi
[07:39] <nkassi_> Nope but installing FDS on edgy is hard. That dude/dudette could make it easier (I'm just kidding by the way)
[07:39] <Burgundavia> they are working on that
[07:39] <nkassi_> cool
[07:41] <Burgundavia> remember, FDS lived for many years as a closed source app
[07:41] <Burgundavia> worse, it moved from company to company
[07:41] <nkassi_> yeah.
[07:41] <nkassi_> Spagethi code
[07:41] <Burgundavia> X is somewhat similar
[07:42] <nkassi_> who wrote the X code originally ?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> lots of people
[07:42] <Burgundavia> Sun, ATT, IBM, etc.
[07:43] <nkassi_> True, the story is somewhat comming back
[07:43] <nkassi_> but it always was somewhat open
[07:43] <Burgundavia> yes it always has been
[02:29] <wasabi> about to leave for airport
[04:03] <bmonty> nice, there is a new version of pam-krb5 out
[04:20] <bmonty> does anyone here have evolution pulling addresses out of their LDAP server?
[04:51] <robertj_> bmonty: I did at one time
[05:02] <bmonty> robertj_: any chance you have it working with the evolution in edgy?
[05:02] <robertj_> bmonty: nope
[05:02] <robertj_> this was like breezy maybe?
[05:03] <bmonty> I've been trying to get it to work on evolution 2.8.1 with no luck
[05:11] <robertj_> I can't even fight the right dialog
[05:12] <robertj_> where did it get moved to?
[05:35] <bmonty> click on "Contacts" and then right click in the left pane and select "New Address Book"
[05:35] <bmonty> change type to "On LDAP Server"
[06:29] <robertj_> bmonty: hrmm, doesn't seem to be asking me for my password
[06:38] <robertj_> bmonty: I give up too
[07:03] <bmonty> robertj_: thanks for trying...I think that part of evolution is broken...even though they claim to support LDAP addressbooks
[07:12] <robertj_> bmonty: if you have a test installation you might try running slapd interactively so you can see what query it is sending
[07:50] <bmonty> robertj: I can sniff the traffic and see results coming back from the server, but evolution doesn't display them
[07:50] <robertj> bmonty: maybe it requirse inetorg persons?
[07:50] <bmonty> they are inetOrgPerson
[07:51] <bmonty> I've heard there is an evolution LDAP schema, but I can't find it anywhere
[07:51] <robertj> bmonty: I dunno, I can't even figure out why I can't log in on a fresh slapd install as cn=admin,dc=localdomain
[07:51] <bmonty> and it isn't in the source distribution either
[08:16] <bmonty> well I found the schema in the evolution-data-server package
[08:29] <robertj> surely it can't require a custom schema though
[08:40] <bmonty> it appears that it does
[08:46] <robertj> and without it evo will return no results?
[08:52] <bmonty> from a quick look at the source code if a doesn't have an objectClass of evolutionPerson then it doesn't get displayed
[08:52] <bmonty> a result that is
[08:53] <bmonty> but I added that objectClass to an entry plus a few of the attributes from the schema and it still isn't displayed
[11:37] <bmonty> ajmitch: have you ever had any luck getting evolution to use LDAP for the addressbook?
[11:39] <ajmitch> nope, haven't tried


[05:48] <xu-help47w> Install xbuntu on Android
[07:56] <andrewcope> Xubuntu is not booting from grub with error: symbol 'grub_register_command_lockdown' not found.
[08:03] <andrewcope> creating media with Rufus 3.14 solves the problem
[09:51] <returnMonkepleas> Hello everyone
[09:51] <returnMonkepleas> I'm new to linux, installing xubuntu dual boot with windows
[09:51] <returnMonkepleas> hope I won't fucked up


[09:45] <zniavre> !equinox
[09:45] <ubot2> Factoid 'equinox' not found
[09:45] <zniavre> good morning
[10:13] <vish> !info equinox
[10:13] <vish> !find equinox
[10:14] <vish> stupid ubot2
[10:51] <cousteau`nbk> ...wrong channel I think... what's a good channel for discussion about drawing and design softare?
[11:18] <cousteau`nbk> psrticularly, diagram design
[11:24] <coz_>  good day all
[12:51] <zniavre> vish the most complete doc about equinox is in gnome-look.org equinox engine webpage
[12:59] <vish> zniavre: cool!
[13:00] <zniavre> wich is quite small ...  :o(   after some tweaking im not sure to like so much maybe im too used with murrine
[13:01] <zniavre> like equinox*
[13:44] <vish> zniavre: oh! i use it for a few places, like the buttons/GTKentry/treeview headers
[13:44] <vish> i guess i like the way it underlines the "selected/active" widget, instead of murrine which draws a line all around it.. :)
[13:46] <vish> oh and the notebook-tabs :D
[13:47] <vish> it does lack some of the options we are used to in Murrine, most basic i find missing is the contrast
[13:59] <zniavre> this contrast can work only with active tabs ? ?
[14:00] <vish> yea, only the active get the color when selected
[14:01] <zniavre> i hav to digg it maybe
[14:03] <zniavre> im sad my gfx card is dead im using old crappy mx440 64mo just switching theme or opening webbrowser is a pain
[16:09] <coz_>  good day all
[19:28] <coz_>  hey all
[19:30] <thorwil> all hey
[19:34] <Islington> hey
[23:53]  * darkmatter hits gnome3 with a cluebat
[23:56] <darkmatter> coz_: unrealated to linux. osx lion looks like the design team has developed adhd, or schizophrenia. not sure which xD
[23:56] <coz_> oh?
[23:56] <coz_> darkmatter,  let me googl
[23:57] <darkmatter> coz_ I'll grab pics of the address book and ical
[23:58] <coz_> darkmatter oh ok because the screenshots i see now look typical OSx
[23:58] <darkmatter> coz_: the ones I saw are the latest dev build
[23:59] <coz_> oh ok
[23:59] <coz_> darkmatter,  I think apple is lost now that linux has cairo dock,, and compiz,,, they cant keep up
[23:59] <darkmatter> here's ical: http://d2omthbq56rzfx.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Screen-Shot-2011-03-30-at-9.31.06-PM.png
[23:59] <coz_> EEEWWWW


[05:47] <qwebirc56422> I'm having an issue with my LiveTV stuttering and being choppy.  Sometimes i get the "video frame buffering failed" error.
[16:08] <dewman> rhpot1991, your right, this firewire thing is a pile of rotten potatos.
[17:07] <Newbuntu81-2> Anyone have Mythbuntu 10.10 and an Hauppauge 2250 or 950q and actually get it to work in analog NTSC cable mode?
[17:12] <rhpot1991> Newbuntu81-2: I don't think either of them should be an issue that I know of
[17:12] <rhpot1991> hit the forums, you will have better luck there
[17:12] <rhpot1991> !forums
[17:12] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[17:19] <Newbuntu81-2> yea i've been looking for months. i got the driver compiled after many edits. it works in myth in digital ATSC mode, but not in analog NTSC
[17:19] <Newbuntu81-2> from the posts i've read, it doesn't seem like anyone has it working in mythbuntu 10.10.
[17:19] <rhpot1991> Newbuntu81-2: I didn't think you had to compile the driver either, but I don't have those cards so I'm not certain
[17:20] <Newbuntu81-2> The issue appears to be more narrowed down to mythtv itself.  Several of us were able to make the driver work with analog NTSC cable in mplayer by manually setting the frequency, but not in mythtv.
[17:21] <Newbuntu81-2> That's for the 2250.  I also have a 950q and was able to replicate the same with that. Can't make either work in mythtv though.
[17:21] <dewman> if I do 6200ch -v -GUIDNUMBER i get read failed for node one. if I try 6200ch -v -g GUIDNUMBER I get a usage screen. I guess I cant read the switch parameters correctly, I just want to get the correct vendor id and model id so I can open a ticket so thee models can get added
[17:22] <Newbuntu81-2> I've actually been posting to the ubuntuforums.org at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1567490&page=9, in hopes that someone might catch up to where i'm at with my documentation (and others), and we could work together.
[17:22] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] Ubuntu Forums
[17:22] <rhpot1991> dewman: 6200ch -g <GUID> <Channel>
[17:23] <rhpot1991> Newbuntu81-2:
[17:23] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24
[17:23] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Release Notes - 0.24 - MythTV
[17:23] <rhpot1991> see the notes in there
[17:24] <dewman> rhpot1991, no good, error parsing GUID command line paramter
[17:24] <rhpot1991> dewman: what does your guid look like?
[17:25] <dewman> 6200ch -g 0xe48399fffe4ac6e7 65
[17:25] <dewman> I think thats the right guid, thats the guid i get from plugreport
[17:25] <rhpot1991> dewman: give me a second and I'll check mine
[17:25] <dewman> rhpot1991, thanks. =)
[17:35] <rhpot1991> dewman: 6200ch -g 0x001cfbfffeebe883 851
[17:35] <rhpot1991> worked fine for me
[17:35] <rhpot1991> try without the -g
[17:35] <rhpot1991> and guid
[17:35] <rhpot1991> if you only have one STB then it should just work (in theory)
[17:37] <Newbuntu81-2> Looks like the 2250 is still having problems with Mythbuntu 10.10 and the 2.6.27 kernel. "I was having compiler errors with Steven Toth's analog HVR-2250 driver on my mythtv box (running ubuntu 10.10) so I just installed the latest stable kernel (2.6.37) from kernel.org as it now has the HVR-2250 analog and digital drivers included.
[17:37] <Newbuntu81-2> I can watch 2 different (cable) analog channels at the same time by running 2 mplayers.  ...Mythtv (at least 0.24) does seem to have problems using both tuners concurrently (either analog or digital). I'm still trying to diagnose exactly whats going on, but because mplayer can do it, it seems to be a mythtv issue rather than a hardware or driver issue."
[17:38] <dewman> hmm....nope, that didnt work. however if I do 6200ch GUID it says read failed on some id that i am not sure what it is,  and then it says error reading config rom directory for node 1
[17:40] <dewman> I am not sure what the heck i am doing wrong here..
[17:41] <dewman> rhpot1991, what firewire stack you using? the new one or the old one?
[17:42] <dewman> or would that even matter?
[18:01] <rhpot1991> dewman: new but I used the old in the past and I don't think it should matter
[18:01] <rhpot1991> dewman: sounds like maybe it doesn't work on your stb
[18:02] <dewman> yeah, thats prob the case, if I can figure out how to get the vendor id and the model id I would open a ticket to get it added.
[19:39] <qbee_> hello all
[20:39] <mrand> yuck: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/geohot-site-unmasking
[20:39] <Zinn> [www.wired.com] Judge Lets Sony Unmask Visitors to PS3-Jailbreaking Site | Threat Level | Wired.com
[21:01] <tgm4883> mrand, why though? jailbreaking was ruled legal wasn't it?
[21:51] <mrand> tgm4883: the legal system and DMCA are involved.  Until one or both are fixed, you'll have this.
[22:35] <tgm4883> ah
[23:06] <Newbuntu81-2> is there a way to show all tv devices by port? example: video 0=/dev/video0, video1=/dev/video1
[23:23] <Shadow__X> you can do ls /dev/video*


 What's the point of Ubuntu in a world that already has OSX?
[00:58] <bazhang> !snappy
[04:13] <svetlana> becasso100 is allegedly sending islam spam to people in #ubuntu
[04:13] <svetlana> in pm
[10:38] <aeonchild> Hi
[10:38] <aeonchild> When can I be unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[10:56] <Flannel> aeonchild: Hi.  For almost every ban, there is no "time" that it'll be removed.  It's just about you coming in here and getting it resolved.
[10:56] <aeonchild> Flannel: well I've come here a couple of times before and no one ever responde
[10:56] <aeonchild> d
[10:57] <Flannel> aeonchild: I can't speak for those times.  So I'm not sure.
[10:58] <aeonchild> I was banned without warning after making a couple of jokes about memes
[10:58] <Flannel> Not without warning.
[10:59] <Flannel> But, as long as you agree to not purposefully cause a ruckus in -ot, I have no problem removing the ban.  I'm frankly surprised that it hasn't been removed already.
[10:59] <aeonchild> I never saw a warning
[11:00] <aeonchild> And of course I agree
[11:00] <aeonchild> I wasn't even causing a ruckus then, intentionally or not, as far as I'm aware
[11:00] <Flannel> aeonchild: Well, I'm not interested in arguing.  But kicks are generally considered warnings.  But regardless, I've removed the ban.
[11:01] <aeonchild> Thanks
[11:01] <aeonchild> I don't remember being kicked prior to being kickbanned and I don't have autorejoin so I'm not sure how I could have missed it, but maybe I've just forgotten
[11:02] <Flannel> aeonchild: No worries.
[11:02] <aeonchild> :)
[11:54] <svetlana> sorry, I over-idled, and the issue is gone
 I want to write about it
[15:53] <k1l> expect a new "omg omg omg ubuntu is spyware" article soon
[15:57] <ikonia> hello nonaTure
[15:57] <nonaTure> hi
[15:57] <ikonia> what's up ?
[15:58] <nonaTure> I find it horrific that there is no secure way to download ubuntu
[15:58] <nonaTure> and verify it's image
[15:58] <ikonia> ok ?
[15:59] <ikonia> you're telling the #ubuntu-ops channel - which runs the irc channels ?
[15:59] <ikonia> you've been told to log a bug on the launchpad too
[15:59] <ikonia> tool
[15:59] <nonaTure> you think that is ok?
[15:59] <nonaTure> you told me this
[15:59] <ikonia> so why are you joining here after already expressing your concern i n#ubuntu
[15:59] <nonaTure> why not?
[15:59] <ikonia> I suggest you stop joining IRC channels that will have no impaact
[15:59] <ikonia> and actually log a bug,
[16:00] <nonaTure> launchpad is not the only way to reach people
[16:00] <Pici> nonaTure: we're not ubuntu developers nor do we have any control on the ubuntu/canonical server infrastructure.
[16:00] <ikonia> it is the way to get change
[16:00] <nonaTure> it is an important topic. everybody should know about it
[16:00] <ikonia> right, so log a bug
[16:00] <ikonia> if it's important you want it fixed
[16:00] <ikonia> and the way to get it fixed is to log a bug
[16:00] <Pici> Its like telling a police officer that you don't like where they put a traffic light.
[16:01] <k1l> nonaTure: tl;dr: if you are annoying every one because you think its "totally important" it wont have an impact. file a bug so the people running the servers can think of a fix
[16:01] <nonaTure> wait guys, I even got asked 'whats up?'
[16:01] <nonaTure> so I told you
[16:01] <k1l> !topic | nonaTure
[16:02] <nonaTure> is there no dev channel?
[16:02] <ikonia> telling a dev channel doesn't do anything
[16:02] <ikonia> you need to log a bug
[16:03] <nonaTure> why so formal?
[16:03] <k1l> the answer in the dev channel would be: file a bug
[16:03] <Myrtti> nonaTure: because if if bugs are not formally filed in, they'll be all over the place and difficult for the devs to track down
[16:03] <k1l> nonaTure: i think yu want som chatting channel: better try #ubuntu-offtopic . since you dont follow the advice given you 10 times now how to solve that issue
[16:05] <Pici> k
[16:07] <genii> Hm
[16:12] <rww> lol, that issue's fun
[16:13] <rww> they *used* to just be on an https wiki page, but apparently that page was "redundant with the gpg-signed SUMS files" on the mirrors
[16:13] <rww> 'cause, you know, https and gpg are about the same in terms of ease of verification *sigh*
[20:10] <SpikeSpiegel> I got a ban on my old cloak, #ubuntu-women *!*@unaffiliated/gitgud .... can you just use $a:GitGud or just *!*@*/gitgud so I don't accidentally join it, I can't remember all the places im banned.
[20:10] <SpikeSpiegel> that would be great love you. bye
[20:11]  * rww facepalms
[20:12] <rww> is pisg the new freenude
[20:13] <rww> sqlite> select distinct host from records where host like 'pisg%';
[20:13] <rww> pisg/bruh/gitgud
[20:13] <rww> pisg/stats/bot
[20:13] <rww> pisg/user/nolsen
[20:13] <rww> pisg/user/windows98sqlite> select distinct host from records where host like 'pisg%';
[20:13] <rww> pisg/bruh/gitgud
[20:13] <rww> pisg/stats/bot
[20:13] <rww> pisg/user/nolsen
[20:13] <rww> pisg/user/windows98
[20:13] <rww> oops, did it twice. oh well, you get the idea
[20:13] <rww> i'ma go with "yes"
[20:14] <Unit193> Missed 'pisg/user/eclipse'
[20:15] <rww> apparently i don't share channels with them then :P
[22:10] <valorie> lucky you!
[22:11] <valorie> how does one "accidently join" a channel?
[22:14] <rww> well see, he has no trouble ignoring the channel guidelines and trolling, but ignoring the channel guidelines and ban-evading would be terrible
[22:14] <rww> and he's banned from so many places that he can't keep track
[22:14] <rww> alternatively: he's being attention-seeking
[22:15] <valorie> bingo
[22:15] <rww> side-note: this is his third cloak in as many weeks, and i've let staff know how thrilled i am by this
[22:16] <valorie> yet we still do not have the technology to just directly shock spammers and trolls every time they spam and troll
[22:16] <valorie> sigh
[22:17] <valorie> oh well, it keeps mods occupied....
[22:18] <rww> Xenthys: hello. something we can help with?
[22:18] <Xenthys> rww: I'd like to say Windows98 isn't affiliated with us anymore
[22:18] <Xenthys> and hello yes o/
[22:18] <rww> elaborate on "us"?
[22:19] <Xenthys> pisg
[22:19] <rww> dropped windows98 and picked up gitgud, fun
[22:20] <Xenthys> GitGud seems fair, he came here :p
[22:20]  * rww facepalms
[22:20] <elky> he's not.
[22:20] <k1l_> why doesnt freenode staff give /known/troll cloaks so people do not have to keep track of that various cloaks
[22:21] <Xenthys> well, we gave him that cloak and he didn't abuse it (yet?), time will tell
[22:21] <elky> you're giving cloaks to people who are using them to terrorise channels. you should probably stop giving out cloaks
[22:21] <rww> Two things:
[22:21] <rww> actually, three
[22:22] <rww> 0) who cares, it'll be some other group giving out stupid cloaks next month
[22:22] <rww> 1) behavior of people you cloak reflects on your group
[22:22] <k1l_> Xenthys: fyi: gitgud was just banned again from ubuntu channels because he used your cloak to troll again
[22:22] <rww> not just ubuntu channels, btw
[22:23] <rww> 2) hopefully at some point the ratio of "pisg mentions because of trolling" vs. "pisg mentions because of actual development on pisg" will change, because i would like to be able to use it
[22:24] <Xenthys> can I reply to those 3 points?
[22:24] <rww> I don't think it'd be too relevant to #ubuntu-ops, really.
[22:25] <rww> I mean, you can, but I'm not interested in having a protracted conversation about this.
[22:27] <Xenthys> I'll be quick then: 0 -> you seemed to care enough to list people with a pisg cloak from your DB; 1 -> if someone with a pisg cloak is distorbing the channels, feel free to tell us; 2 -> we're working on it, even if I have a lot of exams atm so I'm not completely into it yet
[22:28] <Xenthys> (please ignore the typos ó_ò)
[22:29] <rww> 0) takes about 10 seconds, sqlite's open in another screen, 1) GitGud's disturbing a bunch of channels and is a flagrant troll, 2) okay. I look forward to seeing commits that aren't Sebastian messing with pisg.cfg soon
[22:29] <elky> nolsen also joined gitgud in activities elsewhere earlier.
[22:30] <rww> s/tian/tien/
[22:30] <Xenthys> We perfectly know GitGud's abilities and nolsen's past, that's why if you have a log snippet from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com don't hesitate
[22:31] <valorie> why give cloaks to known trolls?
[22:31] <elky> Xenthys: you're in the freenude channel. you can go look yourself.
[22:32] <rww> ah. that explains a lot.
[22:34] <elky> yeah if a channel called "freenude" takes a cloak from a person for misusing the cloak, it's probably a bad idea to give them a cloak.
[22:34] <elky> i expected that to be common sense, but apparently it's not that common.
[22:37] <Xenthys> how to say/explain my thoughts, I miss some words :/…
[22:41] <Xenthys> whatever, if you have proofs about a disturbing activity from him or anyone with a cloak like that you know where to report it, and about GitGud we know him as someone else than that common troll and we somewhere expected him not to "betray" (didn't find a more appropriate word) us
[22:41] <Xenthys> well, I guess I'm off-topic and not really welcome here, you know where to find me
[22:43] <elky> see now i'm pretty sure i just reported it to him.
[22:45] <genii> I knew these freenude cloaks were going to be trouble eventually
[22:46] <rww> flippant staff ideas usually are. i mean, look what happened when they made me staff :D
[22:46] <elky> they were from the first second they were made
[22:46] <k1l_> genii: that is why they changed to pisg cloaks :/
[22:46] <rww> most of them didn't
[22:46] <elky> they were originally freenude/staff/ and instantly were used by some for trying to impersonate staff
[22:46] <elky> so...
[22:47] <rww> maybe it's a form of catalzying
[22:47] <genii> Hm
[22:47] <rww> if you give them what they want, they might feel bad and stop trolling!
[22:47] <rww> it's not any more naive than the usual catalyst ideas


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[22:06] <slack0> hello everyone
[22:07] <slack0> I'm a Spanish speaking certified translator and Ubuntu desktop user willing to join this community.


[03:47] <fuze> is there a way to prevent hidden entries from showing up in kde app launcher search?
[03:47] <fuze> also how can i view the .hidden section seen in this screenshot: https://forum.manjaro.org/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a9ae587eafce07862fa4266e49ad4b4d7d4ab246.png
[07:46] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:55] <linux> hello guys I need little help with cron job mail
[07:55] <linux> anyone here
[09:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:10] <hegemon8> BluesKaj:  hello :) longg time no see :)
[09:11] <BluesKaj> hi hegemon8 , how's things?
[09:12] <hegemon8> well switched to solus..., my amarok is dead (projeect i mean...)
[09:12] <hegemon8> and Yourself BluesKaj?
[09:13] <BluesKaj> good here hegemon8, up a bit early this morning, but otherwise ok :-)
[09:14] <hegemon8> 10:14 am here BluesKaj
[09:14] <hegemon8> should get a coffee :)
[09:14] <hegemon8> i mean i should :)
[09:14] <BluesKaj> 5:14AM here
[09:15] <BluesKaj> already on my first cup
[09:16] <BluesKaj> hegemon8, what's solus, btw?
[09:17] <hegemon8> a new distro (OS)
[09:17] <hegemon8> managed to jump on kde there
[09:20] <hegemon8> https://solus-project.com/
[09:21] <BluesKaj> it has kde available?, I notice a lot of gnome apps in their list on the website
[09:23] <hegemon8> well, not sure plasma iso is still out, but i've installed budgie spin, and added from software center all kde stuff, then removed gnome stuff with smile :)
[09:23] <hegemon8> a*
[09:23] <BluesKaj> hmm, budgie
[09:24] <BluesKaj> I see.ok sounds viable
[09:24] <hegemon8> yes, its good, just well, i'm a kde fanboy, plus budgie is going the Qt way in some near future
[09:26] <BluesKaj> well, I'd prefer budhie to gnome or mate
[09:26] <BluesKaj> budgie
[09:27] <hegemon8> BluesKaj: it has some gnome stufff currently, but if i can make it be plasma, i'm a happy camper :)
[09:28] <BluesKaj> right
[10:47] <Aison> hello, what maybe the reason that I can not login to kde with a specific user. The credentials are accepted, but then kubuntu hangs endless in the login
[10:49] <Aison> with the other usernames, sddm has no problem to login
[10:49] <Aison> very strange
[10:50] <Aison> first I thought it is related to some bad config files in the user directory, but the login hangs even with an empty dir
[12:04] <Dragnslcr> Aison- have you tried logging in from a terminal? You might get helpful error messages there. You could also check the log files in /var/log
[12:58] <john85> hey :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hey john85
[13:01] <john85> hkw are you?
[13:01] <john85> better than my typing i hope
[13:02] <BluesKaj> heh, I'm fine john85, but my typing not so much as well :-)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> how about you ?
[13:04] <john85> im good thanks
[13:05] <john85> have you any experience with wine?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> ot much ...it was many yrs ago
[13:05] <BluesKaj> not
[13:10] <john85> back
[13:10] <john85> sorry,  connection died
[13:10] <john85> it was stranger than that...the name of the connection has changed
[13:12] <BluesKaj> the ethernet or wifi connection?
[13:12] <john85> wifi
[13:13] <BluesKaj> could be the systemd naming convention at work there
[13:14] <john85> ye
[13:14] <john85> anyway...wine...i was considering installing it myself
[13:15] <john85> i suppose i have nothing to lose really
[13:15] <BluesKaj> what do you plan to run in it?
[13:16] <john85> arduino IDE and open office
[13:17] <john85> i know both have linux versions,  but they come in package files,  and as far as I know there is no quick and easy install
[13:18] <john85> its not as simple as clicking on the installation file and just letting the installer do its thing is it
[13:21] <BluesKaj> what about libreoffice , it installs as a suite
[13:24] <BluesKaj> or apache openoffice https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
[13:26] <john85> libre office is ok,  but prefer open office
[13:28] <john85> ok..ill try the open office download
[13:29] <john85> if i get it working,  then i will attempt the Arduino IDE too
[13:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, afaik , it's best to avoid wine..it's usually justa stopgap measure for energencies etc
[13:32] <john85> have you heard of Kolibri OS?
[13:32] <john85> i have been thinking of giving it a try on a really old laptop of mine that doesn't matter if i screw it up
[13:33] <BluesKaj> no, but why Kolibri
[13:33] <john85> its written completely in assembly language making it very fast
[13:35] <john85> dont think it has the same following as linux though,  so unlikely to be developed into a serious OS
[13:36] <john85> http://kolibrios.org/en/index
[13:37] <john85> wont have many apps,  i know,  but i am a little curious just to see what it is like
[13:41] <BluesKaj> heh, I get a security alert in chrome clicking thqat url
[13:41] <john85> :(
[13:41] <john85> sorry
[13:44] <john85> im sure the site is safe though
[13:44] <BluesKaj> np, I managed it with good ol' konkueror
[13:45] <BluesKaj> my backup browser for difficult websites
[13:46] <BluesKaj> err konqueror :-)
[13:47] <john85> ah ok
[13:47] <BluesKaj> interesting OS
[13:49] <john85> might have to install a VM to run it on my old machine though,  since there is no option to boot from USB and the CD drive dont work
[13:50] <john85> or just run it in a VM on this
[13:51] <BluesKaj> I bout a cheap usb powered portable cd drive on amazon ...took 6 weeks to arrive here from China tho
[13:51] <BluesKaj> bought
[13:52] <BluesKaj> works great
[13:52] <john85> ye,  things can take a while from amazon, esp if you go for cheap or free postage oprion,  which i do
[13:53] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm a retired guy on fixed income so I shop judiciously :-)
[13:54] <john85> what did you used to do?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> amazon can be fast here, they have a big warehouse in Toronto, 400KM away from me
[13:56] <BluesKaj> I was a enviro-tech in a pulp&paper mill
[13:56] <BluesKaj> an
[13:57] <BluesKaj> tested effluent from the processes, air and water quality etc
[13:58] <john85> i work in electronics,  but am in between jobs at the moment,  volunteering at a charity shop
[13:59] <BluesKaj> I was gonna ask if you were , due to the arduino mention
[13:59] <john85> thats more of a hobby
[14:00] <john85> i have always been into electronics since, I could talk
[14:00] <BluesKaj> I used to be sn audio hobbyist of sorts ...many yrs ago
[14:01]  * BluesKaj nods ...cool :-)
[14:02] <john85> i wish now i had studied programming instead of electronics, since thats where the momey seems to be
[14:06] <john85> i have to go..been nice chatting
[14:06] <john85> bye for now
[14:06] <BluesKaj> don't think programing/coding etc would have ever interested me ...seems very tedious to me
[14:06] <asafniv> solus is the best distro btw
[14:06] <john85> ye didnt really interest me at the time either
[14:07] <BluesKaj> there's no best for everyone, it's only best for you asafniv
[14:07] <john85> anyways...got to go
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ok , take care john85
[14:07] <asafniv> this was 50% satire
[14:08] <BluesKaj> asafniv, satire is difficult o express in chat text :-)
 Good day everyone!
[20:21] <oerheks> hi dguerrero
 @oerheks, Hello 👋


[00:03] <mhall119> yeah, flickr is kind of weird that way
[07:04] <duanedeisgn> 5/5
[08:06] <YoBoY> good morning
[08:11]  * BigWhale wiggles his fluke.
[16:15] <snap-l> Quick question about the locoteams site: There's a bug in the iCal feed for events, where the event isn't getting offset by the proper time zone.
[16:15] <snap-l> I.e.: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/962/detail/
[16:15] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/962/detail/ical/
[16:15] <snap-l> Is there a preferred location to report this bug?
[16:16] <YoBoY> snap-l: hi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug
[16:16] <cjohnston> look at the link at the bottom of the loco directory
[16:17] <cjohnston> sorry.. it isnt there yet.. what YoBoY said
[16:18] <snap-l> Thanks. :)
[16:18] <YoBoY> cjohnston: it's in http://loco.ubuntu.com/about/ ;)
[16:19] <cjohnston> YoBoY: if you look at the footer of summit, that's coming to LD.. eventually
[16:24] <snap-l> Thanks!


[00:02] <federico_78> when you buy music from the store, you can tag the files. that makes the store think your files have dissapeared from the storage
[01:21] <ZykoticK9> Running into some difficulty on Maverick, the Devices tab in Ubuntu One Preferences has a greyed out Connect button (U1 folder is empty, sync does NOT appear to be taking place).  Working with Lucid on same system.
[02:12] <fdrake> honk!
[02:12] <fdrake> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04, and have a question about the Ubuntu One control panel.  In the Devices tab, my computer shows up three times, all with the same name.  Is it safe to remove the two that aren't showing as connected?  All three show up in the account information in the web interface, with two having been created on the same day (possibly when I first installed the machine), and the other being from a re-install when 10.
[02:36] <fdrake> honk
[05:45] <geekilized> can anyone fetch lyrics for songs purchased from ubuntu one music store in rhythmbpx?
[05:46] <geekilized> i cant fetch lyrics any songs purchased from the music store, but i can fetch lyrics for other songs that i already had that i didnt buy from the ubuntu one music store
[05:47] <geekilized> does anyone else have this problem?
[09:23] <mkarnicki> anyone saw verterok around recently?
[09:25]  * mkarnicki went breakfast shopping
[09:31] <mote> Question. I have to computers added til One Account, the files are syncronized. I put a new file in the "Ubuntu One" folder, but it does not get synced. -it stays grey. the Client says that im coneected. how long will it take. How can i see what the client is doing?
[09:32] <mote> I really miss that status applet in the panel.
[09:38] <kermiac> mote: the u1sdtool command (from a terminal window) will let you see what the client is doing. More info on u1sdtool can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/ClientControl
[09:42] <mote> Kermiac, my Australian friend :-)
[09:44] <mote> Thanks. And also, when i startup the Ubuntu One prefference program, i have to click connect every time. Does the Client disconnect when a close the program, or does it stay connected. Does it startup when loggen on?
[09:54] <kermiac> mote: it stays connected even if you close u1 preferences
[09:55] <mote> Thanks.
[09:58] <duanedesign> hey kermiac
[09:59] <kermiac> how're you going today duanedesign?
[09:59] <duanedesign> just getting up.
[10:00] <kermiac> duanedesign: ok, I'll see you around later after you get some breakfast :)
[10:39] <defcon_> i can't add my computer to my account. I tried it with u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login; u1sdtool -c   but it doesn't help o_O
[11:08] <duanedesign> defcon_: hello
[11:09] <defcon_> duanedesign, hi
[11:09] <duanedesign> after running u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login
[11:10] <duanedesign> does ps aux | grep ubu find anything
[11:11] <duanedesign> well, other than grep ubu
[11:11] <defcon_> ?
[11:12] <duanedesign> if you run the command :   ps aux | grep ubu
[11:12] <duanedesign> does it show any Ubuntu processes running
[11:12] <defcon_> no
[11:13] <duanedesign> defcon_: id firefox your default browser?
[11:13] <defcon_> yes
[11:14] <duanedesign> defcon_: have you ever had this computer on a U1 account?
[11:14] <duanedesign> with a previous version of Ubuntu?
[11:16] <defcon_> well, i used u1 only with lucid, and yes.. i had this computer on my u1 account but with an other hostname, i changed it for a while
[11:16] <defcon_> and from this time i can't add my computer
[11:17] <duanedesign> defcon_: Can you open Applications > Accessories > Passwords and Encryption
[11:17] <duanedesign> click the arrow next to the folder to expand the list
[11:17] <defcon_> yes
[11:17] <duanedesign> and look for Ubuntu One Token
[11:18] <duanedesign> if you find it r-click and delete it
[11:18] <defcon_> done
[11:18] <duanedesign> then check http://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines
[11:19] <duanedesign> and make sure your old machine does not show up their
[11:19] <defcon_> "You haven't added any computers or devices to your Ubuntu One account."
[11:19] <duanedesign> then open Ubuntu One Preferences
[11:19] <duanedesign> from Me Menu
[11:19] <duanedesign> Should open the browser and prompt you to add your computer?
[11:20] <defcon_> aaahhh.. yes, now it works
[11:20] <duanedesign> defcon_: great!
[11:21] <defcon_> thanks a lot! :) well done
[11:26] <psypher246> hi all, howzit going? i got a question about download and upload speed. it's extremely slow, and not being shaped, should get about 512kbps up and 4mbps down
[16:13] <Emry> I am still having a problem where my UbuntuOne folder on this machine is NOT syncing.  :/  It has stayed empty for ages, dispite the fact that this machine stays online most of the time, and I have 94MB of data on the server.
[16:17] <Chipaca> Emry: it should be working now. Can I help you debug some?
[16:20] <Emry> What would you suggest?  The files were added on my other machine, like months ago.  I reboot this machine like once a week at least, so that is not likely the problem, and I update it continually.
[16:30] <duanedesign> Emry: can you open a Terminal and run:  u1sdtool -s
[16:31] <duanedesign> and pastebin the results at http://paste.ubuntu.com
[16:32] <Emry> Still waiting for it to respond.  :)
[16:32] <duanedesign> hmm ok. it'll probablly time out
[16:35] <duanedesign> Emry: is their anything in this document:  ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[16:38] <Emry> It is there, but empty.
[16:38] <Emry> 2010-06-13 00:32:40,501 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon - WARNING - Files synchronization is disabled.   << This is the last several lines of syncdeamon.log
[16:39] <duanedesign> Emry: are you running 10.04?
[16:40] <Emry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/448768/   syncdeamon.log
[16:40] <Emry> duanedesign, Yes.
[16:41] <duanedesign> Emry: In the Ubuntu One Preferences Dialog under the Services tab is 'File Sync' checked
[16:43] <Emry> O.o It was... Now its now.  Probably user error.  :) I will tell it to connect again.
[16:45] <duanedesign> if you do the command u1sdtool -c, or click Connect in Preferences window, wait about 1-2 minutes then run   u1sdtool -s   again
[16:48] <Emry> It is now working on metadata
[16:48] <duanedesign> ok
[16:49] <duanedesign> is_connected: True  ?
[16:49] <Emry> Processing queues
[16:50] <duanedesign> you can run the command: u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[16:50] <Emry> 0
[16:50] <duanedesign> and it will tell you how mant items are waiting
[16:51] <Emry> Still processing queues with 0 items waiting.
[16:51] <Emry> ^^;;
[16:52] <duanedesign> wat does  queues:   say? the last line
[16:53] <duanedesign> IDLE?
[16:54] <Emry> description: Processing Queues, but Queues says idle.
[16:54] <duanedesign> ok
[16:54] <Emry> is_connected: true, is_error: false, is_online: true.
[16:55] <duanedesign> and you have stuff on your cloud storage that it should be seeing, right
[16:56] <Emry> Yes.  94mb worth.
[16:57] <Emry> The settings tab says that I have the info on the server, it is just not downloading it. :P
[16:57] <duanedesign> there is a bug where interupteed downoads retire. WE sshould try quitting everything and try again. Can you run:   u1sdtool -d, u1sdtool -q, killall ubuntuone-log
[16:57] <duanedesign> oops those arent commas
[16:58] <duanedesign> u1sdtool -d; u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login
[16:58] <duanedesign> then    u1sdtool -c
[16:58] <duanedesign> to connect
[16:58] <Emry> hehe.  I got the idea. :)
[16:59] <duanedesign> :)
[17:01] <fdrake> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04, and have a question about the Ubuntu One control panel.  In the Devices tab, my computer shows up three times, all with the same name.  Is it safe to remove the two that aren't showing as connected?  All three show up in the account information in the web interface, with two having been created on the same day (possibly when I first installed the machine), and the other being from a re-install when 10.
[17:02] <fdrake> Any ideas what I should check?  Is it safe to just remove the older machine entries?
[17:04] <duanedesign> fdrake: yes you can remove them. If you want to double check...
[17:04] <Emry> Basically the same as before.  Is there a conf file somwhere that I can delete and start over on this machine? :P
[17:04] <duanedesign> you can look at your Ubuntu One Token under Applications > Accessories > Password and Encryption Key
[17:04] <duanedesign> fdrake: ^^
[17:05] <fdrake> duanedesign: Thanks!
[17:05] <duanedesign> Emry: there is a conf file we should look at
[17:06] <duanedesign> fdrake:  r-click the token > properties > look for the password. look at the oauth_token number
[17:08] <duanedesign> fdrake: that is the one you dont want to delete. YOu can compare the number at http://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines
[17:08] <fdrake> Ok; the older ones are indeed the ones I can toss, then.
[17:09] <duanedesign> Emry: open /home/duanedesign/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[17:09] <fdrake> I guess these are based on information that's generated when I perform a fresh install.
[17:09] <duanedesign> yes
[17:09] <fdrake> Is there a way to keep the same machine identity in that case?  Some fine from /etc/ that should be preserved?
[17:10] <duanedesign> Emry: make sure none of the settings under [bandwidth_throttling] are set to 0
[17:10]  * mkarnicki needs verterok badly
[17:11] <duanedesign> fdrake: you mean to sync certain config files to your other computers?
[17:12] <fdrake> No; to preserve the identity of this machine when I re-install (rather than upgrade/update).
[17:12] <duanedesign> fdrake: ohh i see
[17:12] <fdrake> So that I don't end up with this sort of false "multiple machine" thing.
[17:12] <Emry> filesync_enabled true, on=false for file throttling, and all the numbers are high.
[17:12] <fdrake> Something similar to the SSH hostkey.
[17:15] <duanedesign> fdrake: it shouldn't do that . You would just add your computer by running Ubuntu One Preferences for the first time
[17:16]  * fdrake suspects we're mis-communicating.
[17:16] <duanedesign> its not created during install but when you first run Ubuntu One
[17:16] <fdrake> Then the newer machine identity should never have been added.
[17:17] <fdrake> The machine was re-installed just prior to that, but I kept the same /home/ partition; anything stored with my user account would have been retained.
[17:17] <duanedesign> yeah i see
[17:17] <fdrake> Is it based on something stored there combined with some sort of machine key, perhaps?
[17:18] <duanedesign> There is the Ubuntu One Token
[17:18] <duanedesign> Emry: can you check ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log and see if anything new has shown up?
[17:20] <Emry> Still empty.
[17:21] <Emry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/448782/  < The log file
[17:24] <Chipaca> duanedesign: you probably want to look at magicicada
[17:24] <Chipaca> Emry: are you confortable with checking code out using bzr and running that? (i.e., are you a developer or tester?)
[17:25] <Chipaca> btw: my attention span on this channel is spotty, so if you reply, mention my name at least so I look
[17:25]  * Chipaca goes back to preparing lunch for his kids
[17:25] <duanedesign> thanks Chipaca :)
[17:26] <Emry> Chipaca, I would have to learn how.  :) I figured git out pretty quick. hehe
[17:28] <duanedesign> Emry: can you try dropping a small file in your Ubuntu One folder and seeing if it shows up at http://one.ubuntu.com/files
[17:30] <Emry> Yeah, it went up right away.
[17:31] <duanedesign> Emry: magicicada, you can install it by running this to add the PPA.   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chicharreros/ppa
[17:31] <duanedesign> then run: sudo apt-get install magicicada
[17:34] <Emry> got a pgp error.  I may need to install something. ^^
[17:37] <duanedesign> ok
[17:37] <duanedesign> yeah thats fine
[17:37] <duanedesign> Emry: it should still install, it will just give you a warning, ignore it
[17:38] <Emry> I am trying the add again.
[17:39] <duanedesign> is the error you got : gpg: keyserver timed out
[17:39] <duanedesign> gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error
[17:40] <Emry> Yeah, that seems to be the issue.
[17:41] <duanedesign> ok. it should install. It'll just warn you its not trusted.
[17:42] <Emry> could not find file.  What is the URI for the repo, I may need to add it manually.
[17:43] <duanedesign> https://launchpad.net/~chicharreros/+archive/ppa/+files/magicicada_0.1-0ubuntu1~lucid1_all.deb
[17:44] <duanedesign> oh, the repo
[17:44] <duanedesign> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chicharreros/ppa/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main
[17:44] <duanedesign> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/chicharreros/ppa/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main
[17:46] <Emry> The deb worked just fine though :P
[17:46] <Emry> What next?
[17:47] <duanedesign> you can launch it from Applications > Acceessories
[17:47] <Emry> Launched
[17:48] <duanedesign> Emry: hit connect
[17:49] <Chipaca> hm
[17:49] <Emry> Ok, it is starting to recieve data. :)
[17:49] <Chipaca> duanedesign: you're welcome :)
[17:50] <duanedesign> :)
[17:50] <Chipaca> that is nessita and facundobatista's project
[17:50] <Emry> Is magiccicada eventually intended for distribution, or will it always be a PPA? :)
[17:50] <Chipaca> I think it's in debian already, heading into universe soon
[17:50] <Chipaca> or viceversa :)
[17:51] <Emry> :P can Debian use UbuntuOne? ^.^
[17:51] <Chipaca> it's not "official", in that it's not something canonical is paying us to work on
[17:51] <Chipaca> yeah, of course
[17:51] <Chipaca> there's somebody packaging it for redhat also
[17:51] <Emry> Cool.
[17:51] <Chipaca> or fedora? i lose track
[17:51] <Emry> I am guessing that UbuntuOne is probably in Universe on Debian. ^^
[17:52] <Chipaca> umm... I think it's not called universe there
[17:53] <duanedesign> Emry: what do you get from the command:   u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[17:53] <Emry> I don't remember.  I haven't used Debian in a long time.  ^^
[17:53] <Emry> 56 :
[17:53] <Emry> :)
[17:54] <Chipaca> Emry: and, it's magicicada (not magiccicada), the name of the big cicada, because the sync daemon's name is/was "chicharra" internally
[17:54] <duanedesign> strange. Chipaca why would magicicada be able to got these files to download that previously were not?
[17:55] <Chipaca> duanedesign: magicicada does nothing beyond report
[17:55] <Chipaca> and, well, connect/disconnect/that stuff
[17:55] <duanedesign> Chipaca: ok thats what i thought
[17:55] <Chipaca> nothing that wasn't tehre through dbus
[17:55] <duanedesign> its a GUI for chicharra
[17:55] <Chipaca> yep
[17:56] <nessita> Chipaca, duanedesign: for alpha2 magicicada will allow operations over the queues, the folders, the shares, the public files, etc
[17:56] <Chipaca> also, awesome :)
[17:57] <Chipaca> nessita: hola! I'm here, advocating your thing
[17:57] <nessita> for now is just "view only"
[17:57] <nessita> Chipaca: so I read :-)
[17:57] <nessita> great!!!
[18:01] <Chipaca> nessita: how goes the packaging?
[18:01] <nessita> Chipaca: of magicicada?
[18:01] <nessita> Chipaca: statik is doing that follow up, we have a bug... let me see if I can find it
[18:03] <Chipaca> ah, ok
[18:04] <duanedesign> nessita: Chipaca: this is going to be great for users who were wanting more information about 'whats going on'
[18:04] <Chipaca> yes
[18:04] <Chipaca> it already is, for that
[18:09] <nessita> Chipaca, duanedesign: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/magicicada/0.1.1-0ubuntu1
[18:09] <nessita> *very nice* kudos for statik
[18:12] <Chipaca> \o/ :)
[18:15] <mkarnicki> what is magicicada? I went to the project page, but there's no description ;)
[18:16] <Chipaca> nessita: ^
[18:16] <Chipaca> a *really* big cicada ;-)
[18:17] <mkarnicki> Chipaca: clarification please ;P
[18:17] <mkarnicki> aha, I see duanedesign's answer
[18:18] <mkarnicki> very cool :)
[18:18] <mkarnicki> that could be written in the project description ;) "for alpha2 magicicada will allow operations over the queues, the folders, the shares, the public files, etc"
[19:02] <duanedesign> mkarnicki: how is AndroidU1 coming along?
[19:02] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: hey! see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/androidu1
[19:02] <mkarnicki> I just chocked on eclipse configuration with u1-java-storageprotocol
[19:03] <mkarnicki> in theory, by the end of this week I have planned to have file browsing implemented (not easy, but not impossible)
[19:04] <mkarnicki> /s/chocked/choked
[19:04] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: that's why I need verterok badly. until he's availible, I'll do my best not to waste time.
[19:05] <duanedesign> sounds like you are making good progress, that is great.
[19:06] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: I feel 2-3 days off the schedule, but that's acceptable, I'm still on track =)
[19:10]  * mkarnicki is away browsing verterok logs
[19:43]  * mkarnicki fixed the project setup \o/ continues to implement cloud browsing
[20:19] <kklimonda> great, so my public link to published file returns "Service Temporarily Unavailable"
[20:19] <kklimonda> honk
[20:19] <kklimonda> the link is http://ubuntuone.com/p/6sr/
[20:20] <kklimonda> this is seriously getting embarassing when I paste it to someone and he can't use it :/
[20:36] <BlackZ> kklimonda: I think it's a general problem, for now
[20:37] <kklimonda> BlackZ: every time I actually have to use u1 for something it just doesn't work ;)
[20:38] <ZykoticK9> honk Having trouble with File Sync with one Lucid client - it's a folder called Photos and it was renamed Photos.u1conflict and resyncing doesn't seem to add a Photos folder or updated the renamed folder's contents.
[21:02] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: I also hope U1 will improve over time (the sooner the better), but as a developer I can tell you that one evening the new server software (or the layer, whatever) made what took 4 minutes before, take 4 seconds. :) So I do see improvements :)
[21:03] <kklimonda> mkarnicki: those are not really improvements.. it's just getting back to old, slugish normal ;)
[21:03] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: heheheh
[21:03] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: perhaps. with thousands of users more. maintaining a live system is a challenge you can imagine.
[21:04] <mkarnicki> :)
[21:15] <kklimonda> mkarnicki: meh.. I'm not really going to go this route, lets just say that Canonical should do better if they expect to be treated like a responsible company..
[21:21] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: agreed. I think releasing U1 later would benefit all. give developers more time, and less stres on both sides.
[21:21] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: but then, I wouldn't take part in GSoC ;P
[21:22] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: premier of 10.04 just hit them too hard. but as they say, 'just' makes a difference
[21:24] <kklimonda> not the first time afair
[21:24] <suprengr> Evolution contacts not syncing since lucid installed [on both desktop & netbook]- n.b. evolution settings 'restored' from karmic evolution 'save settings' - any connection? Tried several options from research including evolution-couchdb remove/re-install... all tna... any ideas?
[21:24] <kklimonda> suprengr: contact syncing is disabled
[21:25] <ZykoticK9> suprengr, contacts aren't currently working https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status
[21:25] <suprengr> kklimonda: thanks forinfo... that solves that one!!
[21:26] <suprengr> ZykoticK9: thanks as well.


[03:01] <racarr> Cross-built-qtmir with cmake now has this problem" QFontDatabase: Cannot find font directory /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/fonts - is Qt installed correctly?
[03:01] <racarr> "
[03:01] <racarr> anyone seen that sort of thing before?
[03:01] <racarr> if I link /usr/share/fonts to there
[03:01] <racarr> it starts, but lots of bad fonts
[03:01] <racarr> so I guess thats not what it expects
[03:01] <racarr> I cant find any fonts in lib
[03:10] <racarr> #ifdef Q_FONTCONFIGDATABASE
[03:10] <racarr> !
[03:11] <racarr> QMAAAAAAAAKE *groan*
[04:16] <Mirv> RAOF: awake? I'm just trying to find a core-dev to ack the dependency changes in compiz so that I could publish it: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-016-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_compiz_1%3A0.9.12+14.10.20140918-0ubuntu1.diff
[04:16] <Mirv> as per ci train policies
[04:20]  * RAOF checks
[04:21] <RAOF> You've got a FFe for that, right?
[04:21] <RAOF> Mirv: Looks fine, as long as you've got an FFe.
[04:23] <Mirv> RAOF: right, porting to gtk3 sounds like a new feature
[04:23] <Mirv> bregma: do you have FFe for compiz gtk-window-decorator being ported to gtk3?
[04:25] <RAOF> Also “re-enable metacity theming support” :)
[07:12] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: aahhhhhhhh
[07:12] <tsdgeos> (process:2746): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.ubuntu.touch.system' is not installed
[07:12] <tsdgeos> is that your thing?
[07:39] <Mirv> RAOF: now probably at sleep already? :) there'd be a small Mir landing too https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-006-2-publish/17/artifact/packaging_changes_mir_0.7.3+14.10.20140918.1-0ubuntu1.diff (aside for the need for generic touch FFe)
[07:39] <Mirv> or well maybe not at sleep but potentially eod
[07:42] <tsdgeos> Mirv: it's not approved upstream yet
[07:42] <tsdgeos> Mirv: but i'm going to need https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/95245/ patched for us
[07:42] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i can make mzanetti vouch for it ^_^
[07:44] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ?
[07:44] <mzanetti> don't think so
[07:44] <tsdgeos> :P
[07:44] <tsdgeos> getting that in a few CI runs
[07:44] <tsdgeos> have to yet investigate
[07:44] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: the launcher schema hasn't landed yet
[07:44] <tsdgeos> i'm having a look at how we're getting bazillion new features in what is sold as a "ui simplification"
[07:45] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: well, the schema has landed, but not the code that uses it
[07:45] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I'm having a silo tested which I'd think is good enough
[07:45] <Mirv> tsdgeos: aha, ok. qtbase for a change.
[07:45] <mzanetti> but AP tests don't work any more for some reason
[07:46] <tsdgeos> Mirv: open a bug?
[07:47] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes
[07:48] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ok, will do in a few mins
[07:52] <Mirv> tsdgeos: thanks, I'll see it then in my bug list
[07:55] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: heh, reboot button coming back soon
[07:55] <tsdgeos> i know, i approved :D
[08:05] <tsdgeos> Mirv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1371472
[08:10] <RAOF> Mirv: Mir changes are good.
[08:11] <Mirv> thanks
[09:13] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i think i know what's going on with that gsettings schema problem
[09:13] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: the new orientation lock needs it for tests
[09:14] <tsdgeos> so we need to move gsettings-ubuntu-schemas  up in debian control from unity8-private to build depends
[09:14] <tsdgeos> greyback: is it you that did the lock change?
[09:14] <greyback> tsdgeos: yeah
[09:14] <tsdgeos> greyback: read ↑↑↑ do i make sense?
[09:15] <mzanetti> greyback: hey, got a silo requested for orientation lock and splash screen
[09:15] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: when are you hitting that problem?
[09:15] <mzanetti> seems to build fine in the silo
[09:15] <greyback> tsdgeos: I'm missing context. What's broken?
[09:15] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: greyback: qmluitests run in CI
[09:16] <mzanetti> ah
[09:16] <greyback> tsdgeos: hmm, yeah then you're idea is the right way to go
[09:16] <tsdgeos> greyback: mzanetti: see https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-utopic/1350/consoleFull
[09:16] <greyback> s/you're/your/
[09:17] <tsdgeos> (process:2682): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.ubuntu.touch.system' is not installed
[09:17] <tsdgeos> we have testShell failing
[09:17] <tsdgeos> now the question is
[09:17] <tsdgeos> do i need to just move it or duplicateit?
[09:17] <tsdgeos> i know not muhc about that hing
[09:17] <tsdgeos> thin
[09:17] <tsdgeos> thing
[09:17]  * mzanetti looks
[09:17]  * greyback thinks copy
[09:18] <mzanetti> yeah, copy
[09:18]  * mzanetti can see Saviqs facepalm when he comes back :D
[09:19]  * greyback wants to create some new random tags on the unity8 branch to annoy him
[09:20] <tsdgeos> ok, copy it is then
[09:21] <mzanetti> lol
[09:22] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/need_schemas_qmluitests/+merge/235252
[09:22] <tsdgeos> let's see the qmluitests run over this
[09:23] <mzanetti> ack
[09:23] <greyback> mzanetti: thanks for silo request!
[09:46] <Cimi> yeah +1 for welcome back saviq tag :)
[09:53] <tsdgeos> merges \o/
[10:35] <bregma> Mirv, no, no FFe for gtk-window-decorator, we started that landing so many weeks ago, I'll see about getting one in place
[10:42] <Mirv> bregma: alright, thanks
[11:16] <mzanetti> dandrader: good morning
[11:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, morning. some good news?
[11:17] <mzanetti> dandrader: hey, trying to land the splash screen stuff. code conflicts though, can you merge it please?
[11:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, sure
[11:21] <dandrader> mzanetti, done
[11:21] <mzanetti> dandrader: thanks. building now.
[11:21] <mzanetti> dandrader: this silo will have orientationLock + splash
[11:21] <mzanetti> so stay close :)
[11:22] <dandrader> mzanetti, so greyback found the problem with orientationLock not working anymore?
[11:23] <mzanetti> dandrader: he couldn't repro... was working fine for him
[11:23] <mzanetti> dandrader: so we decided to give it another go in the silo
[11:23] <dandrader> :)
[11:23] <mzanetti> the other silo was a bit too big anyways
[11:27] <greyback> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/desktopFileReader/+merge/235223 - I had to do a little work for our custom splash-title key in the desktop file so that it's localizable
[11:28] <greyback> arse, somehow I screwed up my the /etc/sudoers file, am completely locked out! Need to wipe
[11:48] <mzanetti> greyback: on the phone?
[11:48] <greyback> mzanetti: yep
[11:48] <greyback> just reflashed, all ok, just lost time
[11:55] <mzanetti> greyback: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/185277786/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-armhf.qtubuntu_0.60%2B14.10.20140919-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:56] <greyback> mzanetti: yeah just saw that. Did platform-api build?
[11:56] <mzanetti> greyback: full silo: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu&q=landing-006
[11:56] <mzanetti> greyback: I'm afraid a missing dependency/changelog bump
[11:57] <mzanetti> hmm... no .looks good
[11:58]  * greyback surprised it built at all, qtubuntu depends on PAPI 2.2.1.
[11:59] <greyback> and that hasn't built into the silo yet
[11:59] <mzanetti> yeah... should have been in "dependency wait"
[11:59] <mzanetti> greyback: ah wait
[12:00] <mzanetti> could it be that platform-api released 2.2.1 in the meantime?
[12:00]  * mzanetti pulling
[12:02] <mzanetti> greyback: yeah, they're at 2.3.0 by now :D
[12:02] <greyback> mzanetti: oh damn, ok bumping
[12:04] <greyback> mzanetti: have got unity8 hanging with AP now too
[12:05] <mzanetti> ah great
[12:06] <mzanetti> bregma: ping
[12:08] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/need_schemas_qmluitests/+merge/235252 worked, top approve plz
[12:08] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: and even maybe add to the magic silo?
[12:09] <mzanetti> ack
[12:09] <cwayne> anyone seen cimi?
[12:09] <tsdgeos> cwayne: his internet is dead
[12:09] <tsdgeos> cwayne: send him an email, he's still working and checking email in phone or somewhere
[12:10] <mzanetti> bregma: I'd need you help please. we need to release the schema change to rtm too
[12:12] <cwayne> tsdgeos: ah thanks
[12:14] <mzanetti> Mirv: can you please reconfig 006 to have the -gles sync package too
[12:14] <mzanetti> wrong channel :/
[12:20] <greyback> mzanetti: ok I've updated papi, qtubuntu (and qtmir just in case)
[12:22] <mzanetti> ack
[12:25] <Mirv> mzanetti: sure
[13:09] <greyback> mzanetti: know of a bug for the AP freeze?
[13:11] <mzanetti> greyback: no
[13:11] <mzanetti> greyback: we didn't report it
[13:11] <mzanetti> greyback: any new findings?
[13:13] <greyback> mzanetti: ok. So far it's hanging on the android side, so can't get useful backtrace. But it's related to qtmultimedia (as that uses android media backed) - so workaround is to comment out the Audio{} component in Notifications.qml
[13:13] <mzanetti> aha!
[13:13] <mzanetti> that one again
[13:13] <greyback> again?
[13:17] <mzanetti> greyback: yeah... some while back it wouldn't start at all
[13:17] <mzanetti> then it got fixed afaik
[13:17] <mzanetti> at least it didn't happen any more
[13:17] <Guest93672> robotfuel: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1360593
[13:18] <Guest93672> do you know of a good way to reproduce ?
[13:18] <Guest93672> e.g. are you using jibel's instructions exactly ? or ?
[13:39] <kgunn> robotfuel: ^^
[13:40] <robotfuel> kgunn: randomly clicking with the long running test
[13:41] <kgunn> robotfuel: what is that exactly ? "long running test" ?
[13:41] <kgunn> when you say randomly clicking is that programmatic ? or you literally/manually clicking ?
[13:42] <robotfuel> kgunn: it's a tests that uses autopilot to randomly click and swipe the screen.
[13:43] <kgunn> robotfuel: can you supply some instructions so we can run it ?
[13:43] <robotfuel> kgunn: it uses python's random number generator to randomly click the screen.
[13:43] <robotfuel> kgunn: sure
[13:47] <kgunn> thanks robotfuel
[13:47] <kgunn> trying to nail it....and its like chasing a ghost
[14:05] <robotfuel> kgunn: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8380074/ is ~/get_sudo.sh in the next script http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8380071/
[14:06] <kgunn> robotfuel: ta
[14:06] <robotfuel> kgunn: you just need to export ANDROID_SERIAL=<num here> before you run it.
[14:08] <robotfuel> kgunn: I copied that all out of jenkins jobs, so I hope I got everything. let me know if you run in to problems
[14:24] <Cimi> alecu, hola
[14:25] <Cimi> alecu, what is missing in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/card-visual-tweaks/+merge/234332 ? just the title alignment?
[14:55] <alecu> ciao, Cimi. Let me try that branch again, and I'll ping you in a few minutes
[14:55] <Cimi> alecu, ta
[15:10] <tsdgeos> someone tell me if this is a bug like i think or i'm doing something silly
[15:11] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8380445/ list with remove animation
[15:11] <tsdgeos> on click we remove item 1
[15:11] <tsdgeos> it's not until item1 is the last to be removed that the animation actually happens :S
[15:17] <Cimi> tsdgeos, tried with other properties?
[15:17] <Cimi> tsdgeos, removeDisplaced
[15:17] <Cimi> move etc etc
[15:18] <Cimi> alecu, ? :)
[15:18] <tsdgeos> cwayne: i don't want those, i want remove
[15:20] <cwayne> tsdgeos: i assume that was meant for Cimi?
[15:20] <tsdgeos> cwayne: oh yes sorry
[15:21] <tsdgeos> ah wait....
[15:21] <robotfuel> kgunn: did those instructions work for you?
[15:21] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ok found the mistake
[15:21] <kgunn> robotfuel: actually, i think we might have cornered the problem w/o having to run
[15:21] <Cimi> tsdgeos, at least I think
[15:22] <kgunn> robotfuel: seems there a specific scope
[15:22] <tsdgeos> cwayne: yeah me too, the thing is actually animating
[15:22] <tsdgeos> just below the others
[15:22] <Cimi> tsdgeos, looks like you are trying to remove model 1, not the one you click
[15:22] <tsdgeos> cwayne: damnit, sorry not you
[15:22] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ah cool
[15:22] <Cimi> yeah might be that
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Cimi: that was part of my initial description, no a mistake :D
[15:22] <kgunn> robotfuel: NearBy scope
[15:23] <tsdgeos> yeah is that
[15:23] <Cimi> tsdgeos, bravo
[15:23] <tsdgeos> Cimi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8380549/ fixes the thing
[15:23] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so the animation is hidden, right?
[15:23] <tsdgeos> yep
[15:24] <Cimi> cool
[15:28] <alecu> Cimi: I'm trying to run that branch on my desktop, and I can't see any of the changes in it; I'll try running the debs from it on the phone.
[15:29] <Cimi> alecu, how did you try on the desktop?
[15:29] <alecu> ./run.sh
[15:29] <Cimi> alecu, this loads the system installed unity8-dash
[15:29] <Cimi> alecu, start unity8-dash BINARY=$PWD/builddir/src/Dash/unity8-dash ARGS=-mousetouch
[15:29] <alecu> ah :P
[15:30] <Cimi> alecu, from the branch folder
[15:30] <alecu> it's been a while since I ran this, it seems :P
[15:33] <dandrader> mzanetti, do you know what happens to an app  that gets a d-bus message while suspended?
[15:33] <dandrader> mzanetti, will it see it once it gets resumed?
[15:35] <dandrader> greyback_, ^^ ?
[15:35] <kgunn> greyback_: ^ might know
[15:35] <kgunn> :)
[15:36] <greyback_> dandrader: I think it misses it entirely
[15:36] <kgunn> oh nice
[15:36] <dandrader> yeah, what I expected
[15:36] <greyback_> dbus doesn't maintain a queue for clients
[15:37] <kgunn> greyback_: not being familiar, does it have a req/resp system to it...like an ack someone consumed on the other end ?
[15:37] <kgunn> e.g. if it does get dropped, you know
[15:38] <dandrader> kgunn, yes. when you call a d-bus method you always get a reply. so you know if it went through or not
[15:38] <greyback_> kgunn: I don't think so (I'm nto expert), it either has async message, else a sync message where receiver must respond
[15:38] <greyback_> dandrader: really? Ok :)
[15:38] <alecu> Cimi: so, in that branch all titles are still left-aligned: http://pasteboard.co/k5vU8Z1.png
[15:38] <kgunn> dandrader: went through ? or consumed ?
[15:38] <kgunn> subtle difference
[15:39] <alecu> Cimi: and somehow some subtitles are gone: http://pasteboard.co/k5urHlW.png
[15:39] <dandrader> kgunn, if it reached its destination successfully
[15:39] <alecu> Cimi: though I still see subtitles in eg: the 7digital scope
[15:39] <alecu> Cimi: so, I'm guessing there's something broken on my desktop; will try it on the phone
[15:42] <Cimi> alecu, I confirm the issue
[15:43] <Cimi> left aligned
[15:43] <Cimi> weird
[15:46] <Cimi> alecu, can you pull and retest?
[15:46] <Cimi> alecu, I changed something, I want to be sure I didn't break other things :D (was saviq code)
[15:52] <mzanetti> dandrader:
[15:52] <mzanetti> re
[15:53] <mzanetti> dandrader: yes, should be queued, in case of an async dbus message
[15:53] <mzanetti> dandrader: a sync one will block the caller
[15:53] <dandrader> mzanetti, won't it time out?
[15:53] <mzanetti> dandrader: yeah, will time out
[15:53] <mzanetti> dandrader: but 30 secs or so
[15:53] <mzanetti> see this for a related topic: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/async-dashcommunicator/+merge/235272
[15:53] <alecu> Cimi: titles are now centered, so that's good. What's bad is that long titles have only one line with ellipsis: http://pasteboard.co/k6xelVs.png
[15:54] <mzanetti> dandrader: its quite tricky to get that right
[15:54] <mzanetti> alecu: hi. just to let you know: the payment branch landed in utopic, however, there's issue with releasing it to rtm
[15:54] <mzanetti> alecu: we need unity7 synced to rtm
[15:54] <alecu> Cimi: I still think the spec is wrong to say that titles with more than one line should be left aligned, though.
[15:54] <mzanetti> alecu: is this really high priority to get over to rtm?
[15:55] <dandrader> mzanetti, so unity8-dash is being suspended now when not focused?
[15:55] <alecu> mzanetti: yes: we need that bugfix to start beta testing of payments
[15:55] <mzanetti> dandrader: yes, soon
[15:55] <mzanetti> bregma: ping
[15:55] <bregma> mzanetti, what up?
[15:56] <alecu> mzanetti: is there a way to land just that bugfix in rtm?
[15:56] <mzanetti> bregma: hey, the schema change you landed for us
[15:56] <mzanetti> bregma: we need that in RTM too.
[15:56] <mzanetti> bregma: can you just sync that over as we do with our changes?
[15:56] <mzanetti> or is that more complicated in that case?
[15:57] <bregma> mzanetti, I don't imagine it's any more complicated, I'd have to check to see
[15:57] <bregma> I'll lok in to it
[15:58] <mzanetti> bregma: great, thanks
[15:58] <mzanetti> alecu: ^
[15:58] <mzanetti> alecu: so once that is over we can sync our silo
[15:58] <alecu> mzanetti: awesome
[15:58] <mzanetti> alecu: thanks for testing btw
[15:59] <Cimi> alecu, when do we want 2 lines?
[16:00] <alecu> Cimi: when the app titles are too long. eg: "System Configuration", "Dropping Letters": http://pasteboard.co/k6xelVs.png
[16:01] <Cimi> alecu, at the moment we have "if is centered -> 1 line"
[16:01] <Cimi> alecu, trying to figure out if we have a rule in the specs
[16:02] <alecu> Cimi: I think the spec is bad to say "title only, more than one line => left align"
[16:02] <Cimi> alecu, so maybe we want 2 lines when there is no subtitle and no attrivutes?>
[16:02] <alecu> Cimi: I think that makes sense, yes.
[16:03] <Cimi> alecu, actually, could be 2 lines when either of those is off
[16:07] <Cimi> alecu, ok I am doing as the spec anyway
[16:08] <Cimi> alecu, do you have an example with two lines, centered?
[16:10] <Cimi> ok, even apps, found it
[16:10] <Cimi> I think looks fine with left align
[16:34] <Cimi> cwayne, I'm about to afk, but branch should be fine
[16:34] <Cimi> cwayne, if you want to test it, I might be back in a couple of hours, or just during weekend
[17:34] <cwayne> Cimi: is it in a silo?
[18:12] <Cimi> cwayne, nope