[05:04] <lotuspsychje> pitty nobody ever use this :p
[05:04] <sonetea> yeah
[05:04] <sonetea> i was in #ubuntu-offtopic but it was sort of boring
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> i know, ot is bit blurry for me too
[05:06] <sonetea> also heads up, bobbterson is a troll who tried told someone to install emacs when they had a question of "WHat's a gui to see nptd activity on"
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:08] <phunyguy> lotuspsychje: 'sup?
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> phunyguy: would this be interesting sajoining users to here?
[05:09] <phunyguy> what?
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> so they can chitchat right away at joining #ubuntu
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> this channel is never used
[05:09] <phunyguy> I don't know what "sajoining" means
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> well meaning, if they join the network #ubuntu jump open automaticly
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> doing the same for this channel
[05:09] <sonetea> he means redirecting users to #ubuntu-discuss when they join
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> yep
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> 1700 users would be an interseting discuss..
[05:10] <phunyguy> that would be something more for the ubuntu-irc mailing list, methinks
[05:10] <phunyguy> to ask there
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> or pass tru the idea to ubuntu admins?
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> i think a lot of users wanna chitchat about ubuntu
[05:11] <sonetea> Since #ubuntu seems to be dead when people don't have questions, I think it could be possible to just join the two
[05:11] <sonetea> I believe openSUSE does that
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> on freenode?
[05:12] <lotuspsychje> phunyguy: or maybe add a #ubuntu-discuss to the offtopic trigger
[05:13] <sonetea> the problem with distro irc channels is no one really uses them anymore
[05:13] <sonetea> yet there are so many of them
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> well on ubuntu this would work...
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> its the most popular
[05:13] <phunyguy> lotuspsychje: you are more than welcome to send an email to the ubuntu-irc list with your thoughts...
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> we have support 24/7 here
[05:14] <sonetea> yeah phunyguy is right. This should be brought up within the mailing list
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> phunyguy: whats the email adres plz?
[05:14] <phunyguy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-irc
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> thankx
[05:15] <phunyguy> if you want to post to it, join that list
[05:15] <sonetea> is this your first time subscribing to a mailing list?
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:17] <icloud> phunyguy, is everywhere
[05:17] <icloud> there is no conversation here, you lied to me trust level - 1 lol
[05:18] <phunyguy> well there was about a minute before you joined
[05:18] <phunyguy> maybe 2
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> phunyguy: sugestion is being mailed tnx
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> some guys just wont get it...
[05:38] <bynarie> haha
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> did you guys see the new system76 website yet?
[05:45] <bynarie> whats that?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> its really neat
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> a company selling ubuntu computers
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> https://system76.com/
[05:45] <bynarie> ah i see it now
[05:45] <bynarie> yea i google ity
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> check it out
[05:46] <bynarie> i am on it right now..
[05:46] <bynarie> i honestly didnt even know computers were sold preloaded with ubuntu
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> yes some companys do it
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> dell and hp some machines also
[05:47] <bynarie> wow thats pretty cool
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> great isnt it!
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> the only thing i would do more, is placing samsung ssd's inside
[05:48] <bynarie> hell yes
[05:48] <bynarie> i just got a new samsung ssd last night
[05:48] <bynarie> it runs awesome
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> wich one?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> i have the evo 120 gig
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> running on 14.04 64bit, like rocket
[05:50] <bynarie> evo 240gig
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> nice
[05:50] <bynarie> yep same here cept im on 14.10
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> did you firmware it yet?
[05:50] <bynarie> very fast
[05:50] <bynarie> no... u mean like upgrading firmware?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> is it an evo 840?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> yep
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> or 850?
[05:51] <bynarie> honestly i dont know
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> its important you check
[05:51] <bynarie> the SSD i got last night was a crucial
[05:51] <bynarie> 512gb
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> because the evo 840 has a write/read problem
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> and there is a firmware performance patch out
[05:51] <bynarie> the samsung ssd is one i got a while back
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> it improves alot after
[05:52] <bynarie> crap! is there any way to check from cmd line? i dont got the box anymore
[05:52] <bynarie> well i guess i could unscrew bottom of laptop\
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> holdon
[05:53] <bynarie> k
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> lshw -class disk
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> *-disk
[05:54] <lotuspsychje>        description: ATA Disk
[05:54] <lotuspsychje>        product: Samsung SSD 840
[05:55] <bynarie> product: Samsung SSD 840
[05:55] <bynarie> crap!
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> yep, upgrade firmware :p
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> you can do that on existing install, with their tool online
[05:56] <bynarie> im so glad you told me about this.. thanks
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> install preload also
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> works nice n fast with ssd
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> also welcome to join my channel ##linux-ssd
[05:57] <bynarie> sweet let me see what i can find.. hold up a sec
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> alot of tweaks for ssd out there on ubuntu
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> but be carefull to chosoe right firmware
[06:00] <bynarie> k
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> if you boot the tool, it will continue only if its the right firmware
[06:02] <bynarie> so im assuming i need to dl like the iso and burn to usb or cd and boot from it?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> i think i used freedos for it to make a bootable usb
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> yes you need to firmware it at boot
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> i had no luck with unetbootin
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> firmware will take about 30min, but performance boost on your system
[06:04] <bynarie> k
[06:05] <bynarie> im going to make sure all my ducks are in a row before i flash it... ill prolly do it tomorrow morning
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> good luck!
[06:05] <bynarie> but again.. thanks for the heads up about the issue
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> no prob
[06:07] <bynarie> a wierd thing happened tho a while back
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> what?
[06:07] <bynarie> i HAD 16gb of ram... well, me being me, i wanted more.. so i added an other 16 for total of 32gb... my computer got slower
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:07] <bynarie> im reading about this and it seems it could be ram timings
[06:07] <bynarie> u got any idea?
[06:07] <bynarie> lol
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> talk to the ##hardware guys maybe
[06:08] <bynarie> k
[06:08] <bynarie> i only got the ram so i could 1) say that my computer has 32gb ram and 2) do massive OS compiles, like android
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> you a developer?
[06:10] <bynarie> well... not exactly a hard core developer
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:11] <bynarie> i do some android proggn with java via android studio/intellij
[06:11] <bynarie> windows c# progn
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> the #ubuntu-touch guys always can use help
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> i run touch on a nexus 7
[06:11] <bynarie> yep... i own nexus 7, 5 and 9
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> nice
[06:12] <bynarie> i ONLY run nexus devices.. thats it
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> did you test touch?
[06:12] <bynarie> u got the 2012 or 2013 model?
[06:12] <bynarie> yes i did
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> 2013 wifi
[06:12] <bynarie> with multirom
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> nice
[06:12] <bynarie> honestly... i didnt like it
[06:12] <bynarie> thats just me tho
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> how long ago did you install?
[06:12] <bynarie> hm.... been about 30 days or so
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:13] <bynarie> i might give it another test run again
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> i hope those ubuntu phones comming fast
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> hasnt improved more from 30 days :p
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> i love the safety of ubuntu instead of android
[06:13] <bynarie> ok... it might of been longer i dunno....
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> but overall speed is better on android i confess
[06:14] <bynarie> im just accustomed to android


[09:48] <janrinze> lilstevie: is there a armhf version of the Ubuntu image available?
[12:35] <janrinze> any tf101 experienced people here?
[16:32] <robclark> btw, anyone have any ideas about this error: http://hastebin.com/pafaqaneqa.vbs
[16:32] <robclark> the headers it wants are under /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf but not sure why gcc isn't finding that
[16:33] <robclark> installing libc6-dev-armel would put headers where the compiler expects, but that doesn't seem like the right solution
[16:36] <robclark> oh, hmm.. xbmc configure script is trying to build softfp.. bleh
[16:46] <satellit_TSlice> how can I install:  ubuntu-natty-installer.img.zip   to a SDXC card and boot from it? I have a TrimSlicePro and do not want to over write the ssd
[22:55] <ojn> Where here has access to edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install ?   It's quite a bit more convenient to use dd with oflag=sync when dd:ing to an sd card, and no need to do a sync after then.


[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <bkerensa> dholbach: good morning
[07:42] <bkerensa> This weeks issue of Dev News should be good :) the developers have actually been blurbing a bit on social media
[07:43] <dholbach> nice :)
[14:18] <MrChrisDruif> Psst: for those that don't know it, I've entered myself as candidate for Ubuntu Membership. If you want to leave a testimonial go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/Testimonials THANKS!
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> bkerensa; Thanks for the testimonial! ^_^
[20:56] <bkerensa> MrChrisDruif: No problem
[20:59] <Unit193> But, but, but.... It's easier to get rejected if you don't have those. :(
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> Don't worry buddy, I'll write you one or two
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> Link?
[21:03] <Unit193> Heh, well... http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193 (but I didn't quite ask as I can't write worth a crap)
[22:26] <Unit193> Q: Do people ever say anything to the list of people that just got membership that you know of?
[22:29] <JoseeAntonioR> Unit193: We list all the people that get membership every week :)
[22:29] <Unit193> That's exactly I'm talking about.... That was the point.
[22:31] <JoseeAntonioR> Unit193: As far as I know, apart from the name and links, we write a short description of every people.
[22:31] <JoseeAntonioR> Sometimes, the information is taken from the person's wiki page.
[22:31] <Unit193> Still not what I'm seeking, I've read the weekly..
[22:32] <JoseeAntonioR> Unit193: Erm, then, I don't understand the question :)
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> cprofitt!
[22:32] <cprofitt> hey MrChrisDruif
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[22:33] <cprofitt> pretty good...
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> Good to hear
[22:33] <cprofitt> gotta go give the kids a bath right now
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> Just a heads up: I've made myself a candidate for Ubuntu Member
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> cprofitt; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> And yes, I still remember what you once said ;-)
[22:36] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'm off for today. I hope to speak to you longer next time cprofitt ^_^


[14:59]  * mdke waves
[14:59] <Madpilot> morning mdke
[14:59] <mdke> hiya Madpilot
[15:02] <j1mc> hi mdke & Madpilot
[15:03] <Madpilot> morning j1mc
[15:03] <j1mc> mdke: is there a deadline approaching for the 8.04 draft documentation?
[15:03] <j1mc> i see many many commits.
[15:04] <mdke> j1mc: no, I've just been really lax recently so am trying to catch up with some stuff
[15:04] <j1mc> oh, ok.  thanks.
[15:05] <mdke> I'm not sure what the deadlines are tbh
[15:07] <j1mc> np.  i can check string freeze.  would i file a bug against doc.ubuntu.com . . . the link provided for xubuntu points to the desktopguide.  the link is broken, and we use a similar "system documentation" now anyway.
[15:08] <j1mc> http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/index.html works, though.
[15:08] <j1mc> that is an oudated build, but it works.
[15:08] <mdke> you can edit the sidebar directly in the ubuntu-hardy branch at teamstuff/doc.ubuntu.com or fine a bug
[15:08] <mdke> the build is outdated? I ran one this morning...
[15:09] <mdke> i guess that means something isn't working - I'll take a look later
[15:09] <j1mc> hrm... i'll take another look before you do more work.
[15:09] <mdke> it should be updating every 12 hours
[15:09] <mdke> gtg for now
[15:11] <j1mc> ok.  thanks.
[16:12] <ubotu> New bug: #192408 in ubuntu-doc "Ubuntu Releases web page out of date" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192408
[17:41] <mdke> j1mc: did you determine whether it is up to date or not?
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #192488 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Please update ubuntu-docs from bzr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192488


[00:15] <dekarl> superm1: hmm, I wonder how it worked for them in the first place. the 0.25 mythweb package has never worked for me since installing vanilla Mythbuntu 11.04
[00:27] <superm1> dekarl: yeah i dunno.  i mean it looks like it should all be correct now
[00:27] <superm1> maybe everyone with the problems manually made changes to symlink into /var/www/html?
[00:28] <superm1> is that a default directory used for apache perhaps?
[00:30] <dekarl> I'd love to have most of the issues fixed by 0.25-final but you can make an omelette without breaking eggs.
[00:30] <dekarl> s/can/can't/
[06:11] <superm1> yeah well this is why you do it before 0.25 is stable. people can't complain as loudly when stuff breaks along the way :)
[06:59] <dekarl> morning, I'm updating to the latest nightly now and will see if I can just remove/reinstall or have to fix something myself
[07:01] <superm1> as in 20120216 build right?
[07:15] <dekarl> hmm, a bit
[07:16] <dekarl> some packages are still 20120215... mythtv-common, mythtv-transcode-util, mythtv-backend, mythtv-frontend, but others are 20120216 already
[07:17] <dekarl> which means I can't install mythweb which requires 20120216 of  mythtv-common, ohh the joy of transactional consistency in software repositories :D
[07:24] <dekarl> the build log hints at our fixes having broken something so it failed http://paste.ubuntu.com/844055/
[07:24] <Zinn> [paste.ubuntu.com] Ubuntu Pastebin
[07:29] <dekarl> superm1: seems like three "rm" without " || true" in debian/rules
[07:29] <superm1> dekarl: oh you're on amd64
[07:29] <superm1> yeah it failed because arch all only happens on i386
[07:29] <superm1> the fix is either || true or rm -rf (doesn't fail on non-exist file)
[07:30] <dekarl> then its already fixed? (got rm -rf in the checkout but not in the log from 5 hours ago
[07:31] <superm1> it is fixed if you do a build yourself yeah
[07:31] <superm1> but it won't be fixed until next autobuild otherwise
[07:31] <dekarl> ahh, then it has to wait at least 36 hours :(
[07:33] <superm1> i can try to kick off another build manually, but it has a tendency to be dependent upon the git hash incrementing
[07:33] <superm1> so it might not work
[07:39] <dekarl> no worries, it has to wait due to me working and other appointments... nothing to do with the build or so
[07:42] <dekarl> much more important, should not forget to wear a dispensable tie for work, due to Old Maids' Day :)
[09:17] <Eclipse> Hi.  I've just tried using the 11.04 mythbuntu livecd.  I was given with the menu option to try/install.  After selecting the `try' option, I'm now presented with an error: "Unable to load a failsafe session".  Is there any way to rectify this?
[09:23] <Eclipse> -1s/11.04/11.10/
[15:46] <superm1> Eclipse: sounds like you might have a graphics card that isn't working in standard or failsafe modes
[15:46] <superm1> is it a fairly new graphics card?
[18:04] <FabriceMG> the 0.25 on ppa don't compile for amd64
[18:37] <superm1> FabriceMG_: fixed in packaging, just waiting for next autobuild
[18:41] <superm1> tgm4883: could you try to push another autobuild manually?
[18:55] <FabriceMG_> thx superm1
[18:57] <FabriceMG_> my slave is down ( 2 days ) and my wife factor increases ! :)
[18:58] <superm1> FabriceMG_: yeah it sounds like more people were already using 0.25 than any of us thought with how many are up in arms with the breakage the last few days :)
[20:05] <superm1> amejia: you there?
[20:22] <superm1> amejia: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2012-02-16 you might want to read through the short discussion libav/ffmpeg.
[20:22] <Zinn> [irc.mythtv.org] Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv
[21:01] <tgm4883> superm1, building now
[21:02] <superm1> thx
[21:03] <tgm4883> superm1, would it be beneficial to add a way to just do a single version (eg. don't try to build 0.24 if we only want 0.25 built)?
[21:03] <superm1> tgm4883: i think we added that recently didn't we?
[21:03] <tgm4883> I haven't looked at the script, but I thought it built the latest version of the fixes branch anyway
[21:03] <tgm4883> and just didn't push it to LP
[21:04] <tgm4883> if we have that, I don't know how to do it
[21:05] <superm1> tgm4883: it's the FORCED_REBUILD functionality
[21:05] <superm1> eg FORCED_REBUILD=fixes/0.25
[21:05] <superm1> you just set that environment variable before calling the build process
[21:06] <tgm4883> ah
[21:06] <superm1> i wonder if we should start including the packaging revno in the version string though
[21:06] <superm1> that would guarantee we could always do it
[21:06] <tgm4883> the GIT rev?
[21:06] <superm1> bzr rev
[21:06] <superm1> of packaging branch
[21:06] <tgm4883> ah
[21:23] <Eclipse> superm1: That was it.  I appreciate your help.
[21:33] <superm1> Eclipse: cool, guess it's good you had an older one sitting around? :)
[21:50] <Eclipse> I did indeed.


[02:25] <ali1234> what happens if you write "01 01 * * *" in cron?
[02:25] <ali1234> specifically the leading zeros?
[02:28] <penguin42> would have assumed they didn't make any difference
[02:31] <ali1234> me too
[02:31] <ali1234> however i've got a report of a cronjob hammering another server, and it has those leading zeros
[02:32] <penguin42> did the hammering only start last Sunday morning?
[02:32] <ali1234> possibly
[02:33] <ali1234> hmm
[02:33] <ali1234> yes i see :)
[02:33] <ali1234> hmm, no, it was before that
[02:33] <penguin42> damn, was a fun guess
[07:07] <knightwise> morning
[07:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah morning
[08:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:15] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:17] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> brobostigon, morning green blob
[08:26] <brobostigon> i am a red blob today, :)
[08:57] <zmoylan-pi> so today, people are on the blob? ::whistles nonchantly::
[08:58] <brobostigon> not on the blob, are blobs. lol.
[09:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Stress Awareness Day! 😃
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> and i haven't prepared for it, oh no, the stress!!
[09:37] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, you're now aware of stress. Relax and enjoy it. 😉
[09:58] <knightwise> hmm
[09:59] <knightwise> Working on a Raspberry pi project at home
[09:59] <knightwise> Got it to display chromium fullscreen and cycle through a bunch fo tabs with sites
[09:59] <knightwise> but i would like to have it display a different set of tabs depending on the time of day
[10:02] <knightwise> I think I can do that with a cronjob , right now i have a startup script that launches chromium fullscreen with a set of tabs
[10:07] <BigRedS> can't you just kill chromium and relaunch it with the new tabs?
[10:08] <BigRedS> crude and blunt...
[10:08] <SuperMatt> or write your own plugin
[10:12] <knightwise> yep , i think that would be the best wauy
[10:12] <knightwise> kill and relaunch with a different set
[11:58] <ikonia> SebthreeBQM10HD: how did your "event" go  ?
[12:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, yeah it went alright, but Canonical messed up a bit, got a load of Ubuntu USB's in the end,  with other things.  apparnatly woudn't get usbs since logistics issue, but did get, however they were blank, so much for pre installed ubuntu 16.04
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, got about 30 visitors I think, so a good turn out for an event like that,
[12:02] <ikonia> 30's not bad
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok may have really been more like 20, but still :D
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's just visitors, not including any helpers etc
[12:03] <ikonia> not a bad number though
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah it's hard to get people to come along to things like that,
[12:03] <ikonia> yes, you got a bigger number than I thought you would, so kudos
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> most came in from Facebook I  think,  since ran a paid advert for like two weeks on  there
[12:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how many did you think would get?
[12:04] <ikonia> well done
[12:04] <ikonia> I thought you'd be lucky to get 8 - 9
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> will do this again next year, twice next year I think,  plus someoen else wants to do another type of event a bigger one, with well speeches and so on, I don't really have the details  of what he want to do quite, but athat should be intersting
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since what that lug is like in general, it would actsaully be quite impressive if there were three events next year!
[12:05] <ikonia> very
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed
[12:06] <ikonia> kudos to you, you excceeded my expectations
[12:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, maybe get some new ones at  the next lug meeting as well,
[12:09] <ikonia> that would be a nice spill over effect
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed
[12:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think going to get one or two at the next one from event
[12:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe more
[12:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> could do with new people there in genreal, we aren't muc hof a group anymore
[12:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> about five people at most usaully, but sometimes it's so bad only like well two of us hmm, been there on on own once or twice before even,  in four years
[12:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, when did you last go to one? years and years ago I guess
[12:17] <ikonia> at least, I more socialise with individual members outside of meetings
[12:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  yeah Alex I guess, but whom else?
[12:19] <ikonia> Alex, Dave, Shevek,
[12:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which Dave?
[12:19] <ikonia> seen Matt very sparing lee
[12:19] <ikonia> hodge
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok al old members that don't really come to meetings anymore it seems
[12:20] <ikonia> yeah, none of that lot do
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so don't know them
[12:20] <ikonia> ahhh
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> why did Alex stop going ?
[12:20] <ikonia> similar reasons to me I believe
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I have mett Alex there a few times before, but been over a year now
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's like theri are three groups
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> those who come to meetings,  those who just stay on the list, and those who hang around on  perl irc netework
[12:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so it's a rather split LUG
[12:22] <ikonia> thats not unreasonable, but you'll find it used to be more together, but it became pointless
[12:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> became pointless how ?
[12:22] <ikonia> as it was clear nothing was going on apart from pointless meetings to talk about how to install linux
[12:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well it' not really about installs now, just general chat stuff yeah
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> show some devices maybe, well I do :D
[12:23] <ikonia> but the core older members are gone now
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well some who are stll there, who go back quite a few years
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Peter for example
[12:23] <ikonia> Peter ?
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure how long he's really bene there, but over five years I think
[12:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> over six even
[12:24] <ikonia> can't picture him
[12:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yeah even David Smith doesn't really come to meetings anymore hmm
[12:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so as you were saying core older members
[12:25] <ikonia> ahh I know who you mean by Peter
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but there is stil a group of some sort, I guess it will just have to change with the times a bit
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> have event for example, but aimed at public etc
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> try and get  some newer people in like that etc
[12:25] <ikonia> you still don't really do anything though
[12:25] <ikonia> there is no real content or stuff going on
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in general it's jst meeting at a pub yeah, so nothing that special, indeed
[12:26] <ikonia> right, so why bother
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep  actsual open source events are better
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> FOSDEM etc
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ever been to FOSEM?
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thats coming up
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> again
[12:27] <ikonia> thats not really the same thing
[12:27] <ikonia> a lug is not an open source event
[12:27] <ikonia> it's supposed to be a group of people doing things and supporting each other as a group and sharing info and stuff like that
[12:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, I guess some of us like going to a meeting with fellow geeks more so than others,   don't know what you do, but I guess if you work with them like al the time, then that's not going to be the same
[12:28] <ikonia> yeah, but even when you meet up it's not really anything of interest of value
[12:28] <ikonia> certainly the last time I attended it wasn't
[12:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well Linux mostly just works now etc, so what info is there to sahre really?
[12:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> excetp for newbies
[12:28] <ikonia> exactly, it's more than installing liniux
[12:29] <ikonia> this is more whole point - if you're just meeting up to discuss installing linux, thats just a waste
[12:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we arent meeting to discuss instaling LInux
[12:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we are  meeting as fellow people who use Linux, for social
[12:29] <ikonia> and thats why no-one turns up really
[12:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yeah not really learing anything new or as such, from meetings, if that's what you mean
[12:30] <ikonia> not even learning
[12:30] <ikonia> you look at all the rich technology and data thats available in the local area, and nothing is done with it, nothing to aid linux, nothing to aid the locals, nothing to work as a group togheter on, nothing to actually "do" anything
[12:30] <popey> LUGs in the UK are dying out in favour of makerspaces
[12:30] <ikonia> just sit in a pub saying "I don't like fedora, I love suse though"
[12:30] <popey> and amusingly some makerspaces now have LUG 'chapters' inside them!
[12:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Makerspaces is diffenret though  wel
[12:31] <ikonia> I just think (especially ours) has lost it's way
[12:31] <ikonia> some are still thriving
[12:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the maker movmentent is  another hting
[12:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ikonia, how do you think our one should be like ideally?  altough I think I am understanding you more from what you were saying
[12:32] <ikonia> basically how it used to be, where people talked about stuff, actual content, people did something to prove something worked/didn't work, fed that back, aided people, helped people, a community, rather than just noise
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so you would  want people getting support at those meetings ?
[12:33] <ikonia> if they need it
[12:33] <ikonia> helping someone out is a valid part of working together
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well we haven't really had any newbies turning up there recently...
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but hey events may change that a bit
[12:33] <ikonia> ddoens't have to be "new"
[12:33] <ikonia> experienced people will require help
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes  I undertand what you mean in genreal
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not just newbies
[12:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone who needs help
[12:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seems most of the LUG support is done on the mailing list for now
[12:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, LUGs dying out in favour of makerspaces hmm, how so  in your opinion ?
[12:40] <popey> eh?
[12:40] <popey> just an observation
[12:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok
[12:40] <popey> there's a combination of people moving away from desktop linux
[12:40] <popey> and for other people desktop linux just working
[12:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to embeedded ?
[12:41] <popey> and people not having spare time for hobby stuff
[12:41] <popey> no, to macs or windows
[12:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and ubuntu tablets :p :D h eh
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> desktop linux mostly works, well when sticking to distros such as ubuntu,  mint, mageia, o pen suse, pc linux os etc even fedora I suppouse
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so less support issues  at lug meetings
[12:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus most people have good Internet now henc e channels such as ubuntu being so popular
[12:42] <foobarry> i would expect LUGs and mailing lists to die out tbh
[12:43] <foobarry> and irc chans
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mailing lists are used by projects etc to
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mailing lists won't just die out  used by other type of groups to
[12:43] <foobarry> decreasingly so
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and irc won't jst die chat rooms still used
[12:43] <foobarry> because mailing lists suck
[12:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> irc is one of the oldest technologies that's still used to
[12:43] <foobarry> like forums
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I am not that keen on forums
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and mailing lists can be ok
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> slack would love that usage...
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slackware /
[12:44] <popey> well, if you look at the replies to my recent tweet about slack vs irc...
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what's slack
[12:44] <popey> you'll see a lot of people have the opinion that slack > irc
[12:44] <foobarry> irc for hipsters
[12:44]  * SebthreeBQM10HD doesn't really use Twitter has an account, but...
[12:44] <penguin42> yeh lots of people like slack
[12:44] <popey> web based proprietary irc
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> slack is the new shiny centralised for profit irc
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[12:44] <popey> it's incredibly popular
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there was something on some wehre hte other day maybe
[12:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> link ?
[12:45] <penguin42> it's why I'm trying to help out Matrix which is one of the open alternatives
[12:45] <foobarry> i heard someone say they used slack because there are git webhooks. although irc had it for years
[12:45] <penguin42> one problem is irc is really bad on intermittent connectivity like a phone
[12:45] <foobarry> i joined a slack channel yesterday because nobody was using the irc chan
[12:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> got  a link for slack ?
[12:45] <foobarry> slack does the message history like when you have a bouncer
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> popey said it best :-)  RE https://twitter.com/popey/status/793399003463516160
[12:46] <popey> that tweet blew up a little
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> you hit a nerve...
[12:47] <popey> i think so
[12:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that link didn't work
[12:47] <popey> wfm
[12:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[12:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 0 not on it
[12:47] <popey> 101K impressions of that tweet :S
[12:48] <foobarry> i have 1 chan oopen and it doesn't work well on firefox
[12:49] <foobarry> i used to subscribe to linux magazine for years
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so how to get on a slack
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> channel  /
[12:49] <foobarry> u need an invite
[12:49] <popey> you have to be invited
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so it's some propritary thing
[12:49] <popey> some projects have a link which do that
[12:49] <popey> yes
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> by some compnany ??
[12:49] <popey> 12:44 < popey> web based proprietary irc
[12:49] <popey> yes, slack
[12:49] <popey> inc
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who owns slack ?
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slack inc
[12:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> whoever that is
[12:49] <foobarry> then i realised that they recycled their content every 3 months pretty much. a bit like the daily express. i realised i was reading the mag anymore
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> web based hmm, so a website not a program ?
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> slack is popular?
[12:50] <foobarry> among the hip kids
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thats ntohing new some new chat app etc coming along
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's propritary
[12:50] <foobarry> like zsh.
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and gains a market
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we had skype
[12:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we had whatsapp etc
[12:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seems I  don't need to use whatever slack is for now
[12:51] <foobarry> popey: want to read something horrific written by stallman?
[12:52] <foobarry> you might not sleep again. or want to use gnu
[12:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok waht is it
[12:52]  * SebthreeBQM10HD isn't scared of reading stallmsans things :D
[12:52] <foobarry> you will be
[12:52] <popey> again?
[12:52] <foobarry> worse
[12:52] <foobarry> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=stallman+apologist
[12:52]  * SebthreeBQM10HD saw  him do a talk three years ago in Bath, talked to him breifly after
[12:52] <foobarry> indirect link due to avoidance of keywords
[12:52] <foobarry> should contain one result
[12:52] <popey> oh yeah, seen that before
[12:53] <foobarry> i saw it in another form before
[12:53] <popey> rms and esr are basically terrible people
[12:53] <foobarry> he mentioned it regarding some other incident
[12:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, who's esr?
[12:55] <foobarry> eric s raymond
[12:55] <foobarry> i'm unaware of esr unpalatable view
[12:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, foobarry there's always some rubbish about RMS here and there, since he is differnet in cerain ways, from most other people
[12:55] <foobarry> for sure. i know lots of aspies and ASD people
[12:55] <foobarry> they can be blunt and myopic
[12:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> probably most geeks are a t least slightly aspie
[12:56] <foobarry> but this is clearly wrong, in no way is this redeemable
[12:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey seems normal enough h eh, but there must be something secret about him, to that isn't so normal. h eh
[12:56] <BigRedS> foobarry: he's a bit of a gun nut
[12:57]  * SebthreeBQM10HD has things to do bye
[12:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bye
[12:57] <popey> o/
[12:58] <foobarry> he's rather racist as well it seems
[12:58] <foobarry> esr
[13:01] <foobarry> actually the racism tag needs revisiting after reading his article more carefully
[13:03] <foobarry> but it looks like he can't help himself from "going there" with taboo articles
[13:05] <foobarry> from rms website:
[13:05] <foobarry>  I'm looking for people to…
[13:05] <foobarry> write a recipe for how to connect to the WiFi in a Mcdonalds without running its nonfree Javascript code. The recipe could include a free Javascript program I could run, or it could consist of instructions for what I would type into IceCat (our variant of Firefox). It doesn't have't be super convenient, it just has to work.
[13:07] <penguin42> what does their JS do?
[13:08] <foobarry> not sure if all JS is evil, or just some
[13:14] <Laney> Presumably you can't modify or redistribute it, thus it is non-free software
[13:23] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/5fEuORU.jpg
[13:23] <foobarry> almost NSFW
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> still better than bill gates doing same in 70s
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/8511_8043_billgates.jpg
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> *80s
[13:25] <foobarry> but you can't see his guy poking out from gates' shirt
[13:25] <foobarry> gut*
[13:26] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't trust the code from a gutless programmer.... :-P
[13:33] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: that sounded very klingon :)
[13:35] <penguin42> hmm should have dropped the cache times on my dns yesterday
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> well there is the klingon code meme... http://www.klingon.org/resources/klingon_code.html
[13:38] <knightwise> HA!
[14:25] <diddledan> I like this one: Klingons do not "release" software. Klingon software escapes, leaving a bloody trail of design engineers and quality assurance people in its path.
[14:29] <foobarry> is there a way to disable ublock origin globally without disabling the add-on
[14:29] <foobarry> clicking the power symbol seems to do on a page basis only
[14:43] <foobarry> https://blog.lastpass.com/2016/11/get-lastpass-everywhere-multi-device-access-is-now-free.html/
[15:05] <diddledan> looks like their putting ads in the freebie version?
[15:05] <diddledan> they're**
[15:05] <diddledan> damn, it's rare I get a there, they're, their wrong
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan: into each life a little reign must fall... :-P
[21:14] <daftykins> 15% off the Dell XPS 13 9350 on the Dell Outlet right now until midnight Friday, though none are in stock right now
[21:14] <daftykins> http://www.dell.com/learn/uk/en/ukdfh1/campaigns/shop-outlet-deals
[21:18] <popey> they run out of stock super fast
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think that would encourage them to make more
[21:19] <popey> they do!
[21:21] <daftykins> yip used and watched it for years, myself
[21:21] <daftykins> when someone needs a machine anyway
[23:14] <daftykins> http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2016/11/02/207860694/bill-murray-gave-random-cubs-fan-ticket-to-game-6-and-let-her-sit-next-to-him
[23:14] <daftykins> Bill Murray, all around cool guy
[23:23] <m0nkey_> OK, lets talk password managers. I need something to replace LastPass. I like the sync, browser and android integration. Any ideas on what I can use that has a similar feature set?
[23:24] <daftykins> never touched 'em


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[00:42] <ubptgbot> eduardobastier93 was added by: eduardobastier93
 ok, i installed my first ubp touch on a nexus 5 couple of days ago and damn.. could not be happier! everything works, the interface is smooth and everything is overall better than i expected. thank you! this has huge potential.
[02:18] <hallyn> meh - libertine-create-container keeps failing after awhile, this time "failure install apt-transport-https'
 @Taekky [ok, i installed my first ubp touch on a nexus 5 couple of days ago and damn.. co …], We are glad to hear it :) Enjoy!
[02:48] <cc> 。。。
[02:48] <cc> :<
[03:13] <hallyn> proot warning: sanitizing the guest path (binding) "/run/shm": Too many levels of symbolic links
[03:13] <hallyn> haven't seen that in a long time
[03:17] <cc> hallyn: hello
[03:17] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/d2/9c75961b18091d1f799a24fb3b4bc05ab80f08.png
[03:17] <cc> is that correct?
[03:20] <hallyn> cc: yes, unfortunately.
[03:24] <cc> hallyn: why still cant connect ubports....
[03:27] <cc> does the systerm "ubuntu 15.04(OTA-15)"really can update by ubports?
[03:27] <cc> is there any other way to update?
[03:30] <hallyn> cc: others have said no, so I suspect not;  although on any normal system I would expect you to basically be able to change the 'channel' from which updates come.
[03:31] <hallyn> cc: if you go to any big trade shows, you might see about meeting any of the ubports developers at one...
[03:31] <hallyn> Try one thing,
[03:31] <hallyn> go to the settings program,
[03:32] <cc> settings program?
[03:32] <hallyn> shoot i can't find it now, but earlier today i ran into a 'usb debugging' option which was disabled;  after enabling it, i was able to 'adb shell' to my phone
[03:33] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/3c/8679691efae2c3b30fadce4ea286ef65451bb7.png
[03:33] <cc> is that mean my "adb "is right?
[03:34] <hallyn> that's a screen in windows?
[03:34] <hallyn> I don't think that means adb is right, no
[03:34] <cc> yes
[03:35] <cc> er...
[03:36] <cc> so the way to esure that is on "cmd"? like that https://img.vim-cn.com/16/f8e316099d393148e902b7053ca59f0cf76140.png
[03:36] <hallyn> right, adb devices should show it
[03:37] <hallyn> since it doesn't, i think there is a setting on the phone that needs to be changed
[03:37] <hallyn> oh,
[03:37] <hallyn> open a terminal on the phone,
[03:37] <cc> but ubuntu systerm phone has no setting about it
[03:37] <hallyn> in the application launcher is there a 'terminal'?
[03:38] <hallyn> try running 'android-gadget-service enable adb' on the phone if so
[03:43] <cc> er.bad news. i have try reset all on my phone yesterday.and now i cant download terminal from ubuntu shop...
[03:44] <cc> beacuse the systerm is totototo old...
[03:55] <hallyn> wow that's unfortunate
[03:57] <hallyn> maybe you can find the actual package file, download it, and install it through a filemanager?
[03:58] <cc> i've try
[03:58] <cc> but no tool can install it
[03:58] <cc> even i download a file mangerment
[03:58] <cc> also no tool to install
[04:09] <hallyn> are you sure?
[04:09] <hallyn> seems like the tool to install it must be there as a core tool, it's just a question of whether you can trigger it
 I want a fairphone3, a librem 5 or a pine phone very badly
[04:13] <ubptgbot> MaoVVF was added by: MaoVVF
[04:23] <cc> i'm sure that
[04:23] <cc> i cant install any app
[04:23] <cc> now
[04:25] <cc> i just download app from web on phone ,and then i choose install,and then it told me no tool for install
[04:26] <cc> "sorry,there aren't currently any apps installed that can handle this type of content"
 @Christopher [I want a fairphone3, a librem 5 or a pine phone very badly], Fairphone 3 with Ubuntu touch is my fave option!
 me too
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Fairphone 3 with Ubuntu touch is my fave option!], the Android 9 base for it might make porting really difficult for it though - guess we'll see once UBports team can actually get their hands on one
 if this xperia x port goes well... I would like an xperia as well … https://twitter.com/fredldotme/status/1164696854770147328
 it looks like he has the important parts working
[04:38] <cc> how can i do..............
 @cc [i just download app from web on phone ,and then i choose install,and then it tol …], What type of app are you trying to install.  Unless you are using Anbox (for Android app compatibility, which is still in alpha state) - then only app installers that are in click format (for UT native apps, or UT webapps) or in armhf deb format (
[04:39] <ubptgbot> for desktop apps used in a Libertine container).  The easiest way to find apps which will work well in UT is to just use the Open Store.
 @cc [i just download app from web on phone ,and then i choose install,and then it tol …], [Edit] What type of app are you trying to install?  Unless you are using Anbox (for Android app compatibility, which is still in alpha state) - then only app installers that are in click format (for UT native apps, or UT webapps) or in armhf deb f
[04:39] <ubptgbot> ormat (for desktop apps used in a Libertine container).  The easiest way to find apps which will work well in UT is to just use the Open Store.
 [Edit] it looks like he has the important parts working … https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/98
[04:39] <gitbot> Halium issue 98 in projectmanagement "[device-port] [suzu] Sony Xperia X" [Ports, Open]
 @cc [i just download app from web on phone ,and then i choose install,and then it tol …], [Edit] What type of app are you trying to install?  Unless you are using Anbox (for Android app compatibility, which is still in alpha state) - then only app installers that are in click format (for UT native apps, or UT webapps) or in armhf deb f
[04:39] <ubptgbot> ormat (for desktop apps used in a Libertine container) work.  The easiest way to find apps which will work well in UT is to just use the Open Store.
[04:41] <cc> no,any app or anything ,all cant install on this phone,because of Ubuntu 15.04 OAT-15 is toooo old
[04:41] <cc> even the web app
[04:41] <cc> all cant be install or use
[04:42] <cc> when i touch it to install,it told me that "sorry,there aren't currently any apps installed that can handle this type of content"
[04:44] <hallyn> cc: :( ok, so it's going to have to be done over usb.  we just need to find someone who knows how to fix the phone not showing up
[04:45] <cc> yeah all these question was on point, the old systerm should be upgrade
[04:45] <cc> and the first question is adb cause the connect question on ubports
[05:05] <cc> oh,it change
[05:05] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/c5/8256ff97545b27d7fa4f59d06c9bbdae38679f.png
 That looks like a device!
[05:32] <cc> ！
[05:32] <cc> but er ...
[05:33] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/f9/48d43fe42c6843954fa6956f9b10c5a0e5800a.png
[05:51] <hallyn> cc: well stop and restart the installer?
[05:51] <cc> many times
[05:52] <cc> always that
[05:53] <cc> sad tears ;^;
 @barabadzhi [Is anyone with frieza here? Does anbox work for you?], Hey, if nobody answered yet to you means probably noboby knows the answer for any reason. Is the frieza device the BQ tablet? However, anbox is an experimental feature and on other devices it has some pros and a lot of cons up to now (for instance battery drain increase
[06:24] <ubptgbot>  and app not perfectly working as expected). I think the same applies to your device.
[06:29] <cc> should i type all these commonds?
[06:29] <cc> it's so many
[06:30] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/73/bac3240777c9d736aa2990b5be05ca117a2eda.png
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @cc [always that], I think you are supposed to click Select Device Manually.
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Also try unplugging and replugging the cable.
[06:31] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Try various cables too.
 @mattbel10 yes it is. The last time I tried it was not working for me. And sadly I need some android apps. Ex. Firefox. Or maybe linux version of Firefox is working/usable?
[06:33] <cc> i change many usb cables
[06:33] <cc> it's not work
[06:33] <cc> the select device is no device
[06:33] <cc> https://img.vim-cn.com/8c/549802334bc22e768f6de8252e6856abef59ac.png
 @barabadzhi [@mattbel10 yes it is. The last time I tried it was not working for me. And sadly …], Oh ok, sorry then I don't have the details to further help you. By the way, Firefox can somewhat work in a Libertine container. Somebody posted here before the instruction on how to do that...let me try to have a search for you in here
 @TotalSonic [Firefox runs very poorly in UT currently.  Instructions on how to install it are …], @barabadzhi ^^^this
 @mattbel10 👍
 In regards to anbox for your device, did you try to search into the UBports Forum? There you could find some information
 @malditobastardo [You can also try by using one the outlook webapps available in the openstore], A very late thanks! The 'Outlook for Office365' webapp is the only one I see, correct? And it doesn't work (email address not recognizes at login screen). But by cleaning the application data I got Morph to work. And meanwhile also Dekko
[08:28] <ubptgbot> 2 is working after a reinstall and reconfigure.
 @TotalSonic [I don't have an Outlook account so I can't confirm if that is all correct but I …], Thanks! I guess the server config changed recently at MS side. The new SMTP server name is smtp.office365.com and encryption START
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 @TotalSonic [I don't have an Outlook account so I can't confirm if that is all correct but I …], So, I was saying: indeed the SMTP server name had changed recently as well as its encryption type (noe STARTTLS). I delete all config with the tweak tool, the re-installed Dekko2, and then set up the account again using the generic IMAP
[08:45] <ubptgbot> menu item (Outlook menu item createa wrong config and post-setup config correction didn't seem to fix anything). Now all works fine (previously it crashed when replying or forwarding and new mails -understandably- never got sent out).
 @dad_and_alive [A very late thanks!  It happens
 Glad to know you found a solution
 @cc [the select device is no device], Try running installer as admin instead of regular user
[11:53] <ubptgbot> Advio_cto was added by: Advio_cto
 I am reallly like Ubuntu Touch, but, unfortunatelly have to live with android because there is no mobile banking clients apps and logistic operator's mobile apps that i need and use every day. But i am relly want to try Ubutu on my phone.
 Maybe there is exists a possibility to transfer or run android apps inside Ubuntu Touch?
 @Advio_cto [Maybe there is exists a possibility to transfer or run android apps inside Ubunt …], See here but its still very alpha :) https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 @Flohack [See here but its still very alpha :) https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguid …], Thank you. Will watch for their progress and when it will be in rc stage, will try.
 Basically nowadays if you don't have a cell phone you can't have a bank account right ?
 @malditobastardo [Basically nowadays if you don't have a cell phone you can't have a bank account …], I still have one with SMS TANs. So its possible but hard to get
 I will complain with my bank soon since they want to shut this down
 They are greedy and dont ant to buy everyone a smartcard reader with PIN entry keybad which is the only real reliable thingie
 All this mTAN photoTAN etc is still not 100% secure but they balance the risk vs costs
 Its much cheaper to sometimes pay for lost money than to run it like a real fortress ;)
 Holy crap.  We are doomed with this much technology dependency
 I feel bad for these older people who never used a phone
 @malditobastardo [Basically nowadays if you don't have a cell phone you can't have a bank account …], Ofcourse not, but, nowdays some banks even dont have phisical offices and website only for information, all services provides though mobile banking client, take look at monobank.
 @malditobastardo [Basically nowadays if you don't have a cell phone you can't have a bank account …], [Edit] Ofcourse not, but, nowdays some banks even don't have phisical offices and website only for information, all services provides though mobile banking client, take look at monobank.
 It's future
 I removed online access to the accounts at one bank that only supports mTAN.  The other bank has photoTAN with a dedicated single use device.
 But for the realy scure storage and transfer of wealth I have Trezor / Ledger/ Keepkey.
 @malditobastardo [I feel bad for these older people who never used a phone], Best custumers. The bank will have their money already. So it won't matter. 😱
 Oh f... my life! They offer an alternative without smartphone but it only works with Windows 10! lulz
 How secure is it then when I am doing the transaction on the very same PC where their TAN App is running lolol
 @TotalSonic [the Android 9 base for it might make porting really difficult for it though - gu …], Yeah,  it's really unfortunate that the ubports team wasn't sent any Dev kits either.
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 @Advio_cto [Ofcourse not, but, nowdays some banks even don't have phisical offices and websi …], Yeah i know. And they give you crappy customer service via phone or email. If there is a real issue with your account you are f*
 Like everything else nowadays
 The “future“
 @malditobastardo [Yeah i know. And they give you crappy customer service via phone or email. If th …], You are not right, i am very satisfied with monobank service. Support via phone or telegram - very quick and responsive.
 It's the best bank expirience for nowdays
 mmm, https://t.me/UBportsOF for complaining about banks please ;)
 luckily my bank's native app and webapp is almost the same...now back to the topic please 😝
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 @dad_and_alive [So, I was saying: indeed the SMTP server name had changed recently as well as it …], great that you fnally figured it out!  I think you will find that Dekko 2, once it is setup correctly, is actually a decent app - and hopefully this weekend's hackathon for it will help to bring fixes for many of its remaining issues.
 @TotalSonic [great that you fnally figured it out!  I think you will find that Dekko 2, once …], YES
[17:28] <ubptgbot> Gus195_G was added by: Gus195_G
 Hi I have a Nokia 6.1 plus and want to test the Ubuntutouch, how do I do ??
 Is not a supported device
 @Gus195_G [Hi I have a Nokia 6.1 plus and want to test the Ubuntutouch, how do I do ??], start here - http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 Can not compile an unofficial version ??
 you can if you want
 although probably not, since i think that's a windows phone
 Nokia 6.1 plus is not, but outside of Halium's reach
[18:05] <ubptgbot> Christian657 was added by: Christian657
 Bitcoin bot
 great to see another alternative media player posted in the Open Store - so far `UrPlayer` seems to be able to play all the video formats that the core Media Player can do - plus I was able to play one test sample avi file I have (but not another ) which Media Player is not able to play.  Thanks to Jimmy Lejeune for making this app!
 @TotalSonic [great to see another alternative media player posted in the Open Store - so far …], Indeed!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/1s4e6Sb2.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/I5lmu9j8.webp
 Say it with words...
 i've removed your sticker @AlesonMedeiros as they are without context and do not add to any conversation
 @dohbee [i've removed your sticker @AlesonMedeiros as they are without context and do not …], Ok, esxcuse me
 @dohbee [i've removed your sticker @AlesonMedeiros as they are without context and do not …], [Edit] Ok, excuse me
 @TotalSonic [great to see another alternative media player posted in the Open Store - so far …], Thanks you
 is it possible to have more info on unread video? @TotalSonic
 @jimmy_UbunTouch [is it possible to have more info on unread video? @TotalSonic], will send to you later after work
 @TotalSonic [will send to you later after work], Thanks you 👍
 Has anybody tryied to run UT chrooted on any ChromeOS device?
 you cannot
 That is unfortunate
 I report here, maybe some developer will be interested: "I have an idea to solve this issue and keep the horizontal gestures of the apps: reduce the active area of the gesture to, for example, a third of the screen on the x axis, centered. So if you want to activate the Teleport gesture, you put the finger in the centre of the screen and
[21:25] <ubptgbot> swipe left or right, and if you want instead to use the system wise side swipe, you start from the side corners. I believe this could be a good way to solve this problem keeping the current behaviour compatible with the side swipe" … This comment is referred to the conflict between the ListItems of the toolkit and the system wise side swipe. Let me
[21:25] <ubptgbot>  know what do you think and if it's feasible
 I am referring to this gestures: https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/teleports/uploads/67e2e56b4a5a1ebaabc268937d1b7920/screenshot20190811_214757975.png
 Reducing the area is not sensible in terms of ux design and accessibility. The area must be as large as sensible. See Fitts Law
 I reckon 1/3 of the screen it's sensible
 Anyway, this is only an idea. Up to you guys to decide
 Indeed you need a bit of practice to come to the right behaviour but it works fo rme
 @Flohack [Indeed you need a bit of practice to come to the right behaviour but it works fo …], perhaps a different way  to get to the same goal would be to make two fingers or more on the screen allow vertical scrolling only - so that accidental horizontal swipes could be prevented that way
 @Flohack [Indeed you need a bit of practice to come to the right behaviour but it works fo …], [Edit] perhaps a different way  to get to the same goal would be to make two fingers or more on the screen in TELEports allow vertical scrolling only - so that accidental horizontal swipes could be prevented that way