[12:03] <Spec[x] > depends if you want multiple debs or not
[12:03] <ryanakca> meaning...
[12:04] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I already told you :-)
[12:04] <ryanakca> its 1 program... so would they be diferent copies?
[12:04] <LaserJock> if you want to create more than 1 .deb out of a source package
[12:04] <ryanakca> LaserJock: you did?
[12:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:04] <LaserJock> but you might have missed it
[12:04] <ryanakca> ok, so I take it single binary
[12:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:05] <ryanakca> oh, hehe oops
[12:05] <ryanakca> I missed it, yeah
[12:05] <LaserJock> but for instance, you could have like -doc, -dbg, -dev packages that are also built from the same source
[12:06] <LaserJock> that is why there are actually quite a few less source packages than binary packages in the repo
[12:25] <ryanakca> LaserJock: oh, I see...
[01:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:24] <ryanakca> stuff that is checked for at ./configure... is that a build-dep or a dep? checking for IMG_LoadPNG_RW in -lSDL_image...
[01:25] <crimsun_> that's a build-dep
[01:25] <crimsun_> hint: you're making a package (i.e., compiling source in most cases) -> build-dependency
[01:26] <crimsun_> you need libsdl-image1.2-dev
[01:26] <ryanakca> kk
[01:26] <crimsun_> in debian/control:Build-Depends
[01:26] <ryanakca> yep :)
[01:26] <ajmitch> morning
[01:26] <crimsun_> 'morning, ajmitch
[01:26] <bddebian> Heya crimsun_, ajmitch
[01:28] <crimsun_> hi (again)
[01:28] <ryanakca> configure: error: Unable to find the SDL_ttf library         do I add libsdl-ttf2.0-dev or libsdl-ttf1.2-dev  to build-depends?
[01:29] <crimsun_> check the source's README/INSTALL
[01:29] <crimsun_> I'd work from most current backward
[01:29] <ryanakca> crimsun_: kindof problem... it doesn't have one of those :(
[01:29] <crimsun_> you could always check the source for what it actually #includes
[01:31] <ryanakca> *gulps*
[01:32] <crimsun_> it's just alphanumerics
[01:32] <crimsun_> no knives or bullets
[01:32] <ajmitch> often having coding knowledge is important for packaging :)
[01:32] <bluefoxicy> someone submitted nexuiz 1.2
[01:32] <bluefoxicy> 1.5 has been out and 1.6 is coming out soonish.
[01:32] <ajmitch> too cold
[01:33] <ajmitch> bluefoxicy: seen the date on the revu upload?
[01:34] <bluefoxicy> February
[01:36] <ryanakca> crimsun_: alphanumerics that give you a headache :P   seriously... I need to learn how to code...  Check Debian 320920 in particular.
[01:42] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 320920 in snort "Subject: snort: 2.4 upgrade, prelude support" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/320920
[01:43] <ryanakca> config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in       ???
[01:43] <crimsun_> bluefoxicy: perhaps if you applied some ... pressure toward upstream RE: the licensing of the rules, that would speed things along in Debian, which can along assist Ubuntu.
[01:43] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_:  did he rewrite the whole debian/ directory?
[01:43] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_:  I'm not particularly interested in the rules; in fact I am QUITE annoyed that my last experience with Snort in Ubuntu was "SNORT DEPENDS ON SNORT-RULES KTHX!"
[01:44] <crimsun_> bluefoxicy: doubtful, but I don't package snort. I'm referring to a licensing issue which prevents the previous stable version from entering.
[01:44] <bluefoxicy> As far as I care, the rules don't need to be packaged, and snort shouldn't depend on them.  it works just find (albeit, non-operationally) without rules; and end users can easily write their own or get a registered feed and use OinkMaster (which is what I was doing, hence why I didn't like that snort forced me to install a rules package)
[01:45] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_:  is there another issue besides just the rules files?
[01:45] <crimsun_> bluefoxicy: I haven't even begun to read all of src:snort's bugs
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_:  nods.  I think at the very least we can assume we don't need rules packaged.
[01:49] <bluefoxicy> other issues I don't have an answer for.
[01:50] <bluefoxicy> "In addition, the VRT is pleased to announce that will be maintaining a community ruleset that contains rules submitted by members of the open source community. While these rules are available as is, the VRT performs basic tests to ensure that new rules will not break Snort. These rules are distributed under the GPL and are freely available to all open source Snort users."  <-- there's always these
[01:51] <bluefoxicy> (however there are no 2.6 community rules)
[01:51] <bluefoxicy> crimsun_:  I'll check with Javier if I see him online some time.
[01:57] <ryanakca> how do you build a package that compiles with scons instead of make?
[02:01] <bddebian> s/make/scons/ ? :-)
[02:03] <NthDegree> brb
[02:04] <ryanakca> bddebian:  yeah... Secret Maryo Cronicles (a super mario immitation) builds with scons instead of make
[02:05] <bddebian> Aye.  I am saying that there is nothing that inherently requires make
[02:05] <bddebian> Several packages use xmkmf or imake for example
[02:10] <ryanakca> ???
[02:14] <ryanakca> bddebian: so what do I do?
[02:35] <bddebian> ryanakca: You build the package in rules like you would build it externally
[02:35] <ryanakca> o.O
[02:36] <ryanakca> I'm just starting to package btw... and I know... not the best beginner choice...
[02:36] <bddebian> :-)
[02:44] <ryanakca> What's better, multiple binaries or single binary... ??? I know the difference, just not which one is better
[02:45] <azeem> that depends on the type of package, really
[02:46] <ryanakca> ok, a simple kde app... single binary?
[02:46] <ryanakca> but from the looks of it, the doc is huge... so that's why I'm thinking multiple...
[02:47] <ryanakca> I'm looking at the Kastrolog candidate at the moment
[03:00] <ryanakca> what section in control would I put this http://www.paganlink.org/library/astrology/kastrolog.html     ?
[03:01] <jaldhar> science :P
[03:02] <jaldhar> ryanakca: seriously, isn't this an existing Debian package?  What section is it in now?
[03:12] <magnon> hub :)
[03:13] <ajmitch> hey magnon, hub
[03:13] <hub> hi
[03:14] <hub> I update 2 of my packages for edgy
[03:21] <bddebian> OK, git-core sucks
[03:21] <chuck_> no it doesnt
[03:22] <bddebian> Trying to debug the test scripts does :-)
[03:22] <jmg> hello all
[03:22] <bddebian> Hello jmg
[03:23] <ryanakca> jaldhar: it's in the Candidates list... so I didn't think it allready was... just a sec...
[03:25] <jmg> guys i am having some trouble with ooo, similar to this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2-amd64/+bug/12611 but on i386 and not resolved by reinstall..
[03:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 12611 in openoffice.org2-amd64 "Openoffice.org2 does not have menu-icons" [Medium,Rejected]
[03:25] <ryanakca> jaldhar: nope... far from science... more like "mathematical guessing"
[03:26] <crimsun_> bddebian: my life would be dismal without git-core kthx
[03:27] <chuck_> crimsun_: have you used stgit?
[03:27] <crimsun_> chuck_: not yet
[03:27] <jaldhar> ryanakca: hmm I was pretty sure it was in debian sid.  fwiw, astrolog (the non-kde version) is in multiverse/games
[03:27] <bddebian> crimsun_!!  My love.  Wanna help me? :-)
[03:27] <crimsun_> bddebian: sure, finish my abstract
[03:28] <jaldhar> crimsun_: stuff is proven.  Other stuff is refuted.
[03:28] <jaldhar> crimsun_: done!
[03:28] <bddebian> crimsun_: OK :-)
[03:28] <ryanakca> jaldhar: I would put it in misc...
[03:28] <jmg> NO bugs?!
[03:28] <crimsun_> jaldhar: I'm pretty sure that doesn't fly, since I've tried that one :p
[03:28] <bddebian> hehe
[03:29] <bddebian> Gawd some days I really hate being stupid
[03:32] <zul> heh..
[03:35] <bddebian> Well I'm glad YOU think it's funny :-)
[03:38] <zul> i was reading the forums
[03:44] <zul> crimsun_: the snd_cs46xx failed
[03:50] <crimsun_> zul: guh?
[03:50] <crimsun_> where?
[03:55] <bddebian> Is there a clean/easy way to see reverse build-deps?
[03:55] <ajmitch> grep-dctrl
[04:00] <bddebian> grep-dctrl -F Build-dep foo ?
[04:02] <ajmitch> take a look at its manpage...
[04:02] <bddebian> I just did
[04:03] <bddebian> It's example for searching doesn't include the Packages file.  Do I need to?
[04:03] <ajmitch> have you tried it?
[04:03] <bddebian> Yes
[04:11] <Rotund> is anyone working on iFolder packages for dapper?
[04:11] <Rotund> also, is it possible to get packages into the ubuntu universe still?
[04:12] <bddebian> For Dapper, no
[04:12] <bddebian> Unless you ask for a backport I suppose
[04:13] <Rotund> Anyone doing packages for edgy?
[04:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: C'mon mand
[04:13] <bddebian> -d
[04:13] <bddebian> Rotund: Not for Universe yet, it isn't open afaik
[04:13] <bddebian> Some folks are posting to REVU
[04:13] <Rotund> iFolder is completely open.  I think GPL
[04:13] <Rotund> REVU?
[04:14] <bddebian> It's a place to post packages to be reviewed by MOTUs
[04:14] <Rotund> ahhh.
[04:16] <whiprush_> Rotund: ping Mez, he's got some work up on revu and launchpad.
[04:16] <Rotund> I don't see iFolder on REVU
[04:16] <Rotund> possible it's off the "Current Uploads" list?
[04:17] <whiprush_> he had it up there a few months ago
[04:18] <whiprush_> https://launchpad.net/products/pkg-ifolder
[04:18] <whiprush_> That was client-only iirc.
[04:20] <Rotund> ahhh.  I don't see any packages on launchpad.  is there a way to get at them?
[04:21] <Rotund> wait.  now I find it
[04:22] <Rotund> whiprush_: your repository is pretty out of date, right?
[04:22] <whiprush_> Rotund: I was just mirroring mez's packages, since he didn't have the bandwidth
[04:22] <Rotund> ahh
[04:25] <whiprush_> Rotund: it doesn't even connect to the new ifolder server stuff ...
[04:25] <whiprush_> if you're willing to package it, you would rule ... the ifolder guys are very ubuntu-friendly.
[04:25] <whiprush_> they just need someone to put the pieces together.
[04:26] <Rotund> any idea what IRC channel/server they'd be on?
[04:26] <Rotund> gimpnet?
[04:27] <whiprush_> #ifolder
[04:27] <whiprush_> yeah
[04:35] <bddebian> wb Laser
[04:35] <bddebian> Err LaserJock
[04:35] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[04:40] <LaserJock> bddebian: have you uploaded to edgy yet?
[04:40] <bddebian> Is Universe open yet?
[04:40] <LaserJock> I don't know
[04:41] <LaserJock> they're doing lots of funky things for edgy
[04:41] <Erlang> funky things?
[04:41] <LaserJock> apparently we have a -proposed repo
[04:41] <jsgotangco> like having a working toolchain?
[04:42] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: bah, who cares about a working toolchain ;-)
[04:42] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:43] <LaserJock> does anybody know how -updates works?
[04:45] <bddebian> You have to request from an archive admin afaik
[04:45] <TheMuso> We still aren't in full Edgy swing yet are we?
[04:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: so file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: when are you flying?
[04:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: or just ping mdz
[04:46] <TheMuso> I fly out from Sydney on Saturday evening, 18:45.
[04:47] <jsgotangco> nonstop?
[04:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: TBH, I don't know the "proper" procedure, sorry
[04:47] <TheMuso> Stop in Thiland and Dubai.
[04:47] <jsgotangco> oh
[04:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: shesh, lotta good you are ;-)
[04:47] <TheMuso> I think both are changing plains, but not sure.
[04:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: None whatsoever :'-(
[04:48] <TheMuso> And I get into Paris on Sunday 13:30 local time
[04:48] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: Why?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> just wondering who i might bump into by chance
[04:48] <TheMuso> Oh ok.
[04:49] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: got your visa?
[04:49] <TheMuso> Just finalized travel insurance today actually. :)
[04:49] <LaserJock> I assume so ;-)
[04:49] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Visa?
[04:50] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: hopefully i get it today/tomorrow
[04:50] <jsgotangco> same with highvoltage
[04:50] <TheMuso> I thought it depended on where you were coming from.
[04:51] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:51] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: Have you been to any dev summits previously?
[04:51] <jsgotangco> TheMuso: UDU
[04:52] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[04:52] <TheMuso> Lucky you.
[04:53] <jsgotangco> why so?
[04:53] <TheMuso> You know what to expect. :)
[04:53] <TheMuso> And I wasn't able to get to that damn summit, even though I live in Sydney. :S
[04:54] <jsgotangco> yeah im surprised lol
[04:54] <LaserJock> TheMuso: it's my first as well
[04:54] <jsgotangco> i remember us going on a tour bus at night and the bus had tinted windows :/
[04:54] <TheMuso> heh
[04:54] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I am glad someone will be in the same boat as me then. :)
[04:55] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: What usually happens at night anyway?
[04:55] <jsgotangco> ahh depends...sometimes people get too tired and just sleep after a couple of beers
[04:55] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:56] <jsgotangco> id say it also depends on where the hotel is located
[04:57] <jsgotangco> before we're just 5 minutes away from kings cross
[04:57] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[04:58] <TheMuso> I can't wait. :)
[04:58] <jsgotangco> how much does travel insurance cost on your side?
[04:58] <LaserJock> ack, I've got so much to do before I go
[04:59] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: There is sooo much to choose from, it can get quite confusing
[05:00] <TheMuso> So it depends on how long you are going, and many other variables.
[05:00] <LaserJock> I've never heard of travel insurance before
[05:00] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Really?
[05:00] <LaserJock> no, but I've never really traveled before so..
[05:00] <jsgotangco> i never took travel insurance before either
[05:01] <TheMuso> I travelled in a big group of people back in 2002, and we had it then.
[05:01] <TheMuso> I got it because of the value of the stuff I am bringing with me. :)(
[05:02] <jsgotangco> well i took it after what happened before in montreal :/
[05:02] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: I heard about that.
[05:03] <TheMuso> I hope the hotel choice this time was considered for security as well.
[05:03] <TheMuso> LaserJock: heh
[05:04] <TheMuso> Handcuffing a notebook as well as possible hardware speech synthesis gear may not be that easy for me. :)
[05:04] <jsgotangco> wow so you're bringing the whole thing
[05:04] <jsgotangco> awesome
[05:04] <TheMuso> Notebook for sure. Not sure about the hardware speech synth yet, as I can't actually use that with my notebook at the moment.
[05:04] <TheMuso> Well I can, but not for what I would use it for.
[05:05] <TheMuso> Long story.
[05:06] <LaserJock> what does the speech synth do?
[05:06] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yes, the pain of losing stuff is a good incentive to get insurance
[05:06] <LaserJock> other than synthesize speech ;-)
[05:06] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Thats exactly what it does.
[05:06] <TheMuso> You can make it sing if you try hard enough. :)
[05:06] <LaserJock> TheMuso: can it translate? :-)
[05:06] <TheMuso> Nope/.
[05:07] <ajmitch> what good is it then?
[05:08] <TheMuso> It is good for using with a screen reader. :)
[05:08] <TheMuso> I am using it on one of my desktops at this very minute actually.
[05:08] <LaserJock> so is it talking at you?
[05:08] <TheMuso> Yes.
[05:08] <ajmitch> scary
[05:09] <jsgotangco> sorry to ask, but are you speech impaired? or its basically an interest?
[05:09] <TheMuso> Not really.
[05:09] <ajmitch> does it do proper accents? :)
[05:09] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: I am vision impaired.
[05:09] <ajmitch> so that you can match up who's talking on irc with their accent?
[05:09] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:09] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Unfortunately not.
[05:09] <TheMuso> It does have an US english accent however.
[05:09] <ajmitch> a shame
[05:09] <ajmitch> 'mangled'
[05:09] <TheMuso> heh
[05:09] <LaserJock> at least it has a proper accent then ;-)
[05:09] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:10] <TheMuso> Actually, I am not sure whether I would find it easy to work with a speech synth with an Aussie English accent.
[05:10] <ajmitch> heh
[05:10] <ajmitch> I'd find it hard to interpret australian as well
[05:10] <LaserJock> so can you go the other way around and "talk" into the computer?
[05:11] <TheMuso> Now with a New Zealand accent, thats another story. :)
[05:11] <ajmitch> yeah, an NZ accent would be just fine
[05:11] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Not with this speech synth, no. There is software to do that, but as far as I know for Linux it is in its infancy.
[05:11] <ajmitch> since that's how mankind was intended to speak
[05:11] <LaserJock> TheMuso: so how do you type? braile?
[05:11] <TheMuso> LaserJock: No, just an ordinary computer keyboard.
[05:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, whatever
[05:12] <TheMuso> I can read and write Braille however.
[05:12] <TheMuso> ajmutch: Fush and chups for dunner?
[05:12] <TheMuso> Sounds almost correct from my synth. :)
[05:12] <ajmitch> hah
[05:12] <LaserJock> TheMuso: so can you read the text at all?
[05:12] <TheMuso> LaserJock: On the screen, it depends.
[05:13] <TheMuso> I have enough sight, and also use a 21 inch monitor for other stuff as well.
[05:13] <TheMuso> I can use GNOME and FireFox when I need to for some websites that are very difficult to use speech with.
[05:13] <LaserJock> dang, that is fast then
[05:13] <TheMuso> I just turn up the font size in FireFox a couple of notches.
[05:14] <ajmitch> you'd hate the font size for my irc client then
[05:14] <TheMuso> Heh
[05:15] <TheMuso> I spend 99% of my time on the console.
[05:15] <LaserJock> I can imagine
[05:15] <LaserJock> although ASCII art might "sound" funny :-)
[05:15] <TheMuso> It cannot be spoken.
[05:16] <TheMuso> Any of you guys know whether we will also have net access from our rooms as well as in the conference area itself?
[05:16] <TheMuso> Or do we have to pay for that ourselves.
[05:17] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder too
[05:19] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[05:19] <LaserJock> bah, do any of you use the "Connect to server" thing in Gnome?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> morning bddebian :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> what's gnome? :P
[05:19] <Hobbsee> i havent used it in kde though
[05:20] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Yes.
[05:21] <Erlang> Hobbsee uses KDE..... mmmmmm
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:21] <bddebian> Hobbsee: ;-P
[05:21] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:21] <LaserJock> TheMuso: is it possible to save the info?
[05:21] <LaserJock> TheMuso: everytime I unmount it I have to put in all the info over again
[05:21] <TheMuso> All I do is create the connections, and levae their icons on the desktop if I know I will need them for an extended period of time.
[05:22] <TheMuso> Well don't unmount it. Nothing gets connected to/affected if you just leave it mounted. It is all done by the gnome-vfs layer AFAIK.
[05:22] <LaserJock> TheMuso: oh, ok
[05:22] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I thought maybe it would leave an ssh connection open or something, I'll have to test it
[05:23] <TheMuso> I dunno. But I know it seems fine for FTP stuff.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Erlang: yes, i'm one of those very scary people.
[05:23] <Erlang> Hobbsee: that use KDE, or that use Emacs?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Erlang: that use kde
[05:24] <Erlang> oh
[05:24] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee. How goes the world of Uni?
[05:24] <Erlang> that's not so scrary.
[05:24] <Erlang> I use KDE too.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: it goes good, but my first exam is on thursday
[05:24] <bddebian> No, Emacs is scary :-)
[05:24] <Erlang> Yeah, Emacs makes me uberscary.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> that it is
[05:25] <TheMuso> Emacs is scary, and so are Emacs. :)
[05:26] <Erlang> I've renewed with the look of Visual Studio today, and i must admit I don't miss all that bling.  But now I realise I'm off-topic so I'll shut.
[05:26] <LaserJock> Emacs is kinda like that Matrix stuff
[05:26] <Erlang> Is there a #ubuntu-off-topic-for-developers channel?
[05:26] <bddebian> Say what you want, Visual Studio has some nice stuff
[05:27] <LaserJock> Erlang: I though that was -motu :-)
[05:27] <LaserJock> what is Visual Studio for?
[05:27] <Erlang> LaserJock: Making the boss $
[05:27] <bddebian> Heh
[05:28] <bddebian> LaserJock: MS development
[05:28] <LaserJock> what language does it use?
[05:28] <Erlang> C#, VB.NET, C++(.NET)
[05:28] <bddebian> C, C++, C#, ASP, VB
[05:29] <LaserJock> wow, but no Python? ;-)
[05:29] <Erlang> LaserJock: ActivePython can be plugged into it and it's pretty nice admitedly
[05:29] <bddebian> Shockingly no ;-P
[05:29] <Erlang> or is it Visual Python... in all cases, it's available from ActiveState.
[05:33] <LaserJock> I've never been impressed with how hard it was to program on Windows
[05:34] <LaserJock> everything seems to cost so much
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Erlang: that's this one :P
[05:34] <bddebian> How hard?  It's very easy, which is part of the problem I suppose :-)
[05:35] <Erlang> bddebian: bah, you've never made a plugin for Outlook I bet.
[05:35] <bddebian> Nah, I've mostly done some ASP stuff and a little VB
[05:35] <LaserJock> bddebian: no, I mean to get compilers and stuff set up
[05:36] <bddebian> ah
[05:37] <LaserJock> I remember when I was younger I wanted to learn C but I had a heck of a time finding a C compiler for Windows
[05:37] <LaserJock> that was something that really got me going on Linux
[05:37] <bddebian> Gah, Borland has been around Forever :-)
[05:37] <LaserJock> I remeber downloading 11 floppy disks to get Debian on my old 386 because it had gcc on it
[05:37] <Erlang> The guy that works on Windows at work, with Visual Studio and all has the most trouble.  The other people use plain ol' Emacs and we have no blocker.
[05:38] <LaserJock> and then I never learned C because I had mor fun farting around in Linux :-)
[05:39] <LaserJock> I guess I was never meant to be a programmer ;-)
[05:40] <bddebian> Me either :'-(
[05:40] <crimsun_> well duh, deities don't have to program
[05:40] <bddebian> Gee thanks crimsun_, you always know how to make me feel "better"
[05:40] <TheMuso> bddebian: You are just very modist.
[05:41] <crimsun_> bddebian: blame google, dude. They cached your wiki page. :p
[05:41] <bddebian> LaserJock: Heh
[05:41] <crimsun_> besides, I think my brown paper bag bugs are holding their own tonight :(
[05:42] <bddebian> brown paper bag bugs?
[05:42] <crimsun_> mistakes that are glaringly obvious
[05:42] <ajmitch> we all make them
[05:42] <crimsun_> true
[05:42] <Hobbsee> heya ajmitch
[05:43] <ajmitch> hello
[05:43] <bddebian> Nah, if you don't do anything, you don't make mistakes :)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> bleh.  i dont want to be reminded of glaringly obvious mistakes...i wonder if the floor ever did get cleaned.
[05:43] <TheMuso> heh
[05:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: must be why I don't make many
[05:43] <bddebian> heh
[05:43] <TheMuso> We are only human after all.
[05:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nah, it's cause you are so damn good :-)
[05:45] <ajmitch> don't I wish..
[05:50] <Hobbsee> bug 39315
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39315 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Keyboard random repeat " [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39315
[06:06] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: oh "meany", tough words. I'm sure he's scared ;-)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe
[06:07] <bddebian> heh
[06:08] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I would think https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+changelog would say
[06:08] <crimsun_> except note the source package.
[06:09] <Hobbsee> oh cool - hadnt seen that
[06:09] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: when it doubt, just start adding +<foo> on the end of LP URLs ;-)
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:12] <ajmitch> poor BenC
[06:12] <ajmitch> getting picked on from all corners
[06:13] <crimsun_> meany girls.
[06:14] <LaserJock> yeah, definately
[06:16] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if it is bad that I'm making 3 bzr branches of the same thing on 3 different computers
[06:16] <ajmitch> yes
[06:17] <ajmitch> you could make a checkout or bound branch instead
[06:17] <ajmitch> otherwise it becomes more interesting trying to keep them merged
[06:17] <LaserJock> yeah, right now it's not bad but I was thinking that in the future it might get messy
[06:18] <LaserJock> oh whatever Hobbsee, you know we love you :-)
[06:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: is that good or bad?
[06:18] <LaserJock> good
[06:18] <LaserJock> at least I thought so
[06:18] <bddebian> :-)
[06:18] <Hobbsee> right.
[06:19] <crimsun_> who's back?
[06:19] <crimsun_> :p
[06:19] <LaserJock> doh
[06:19] <bddebian> :'-(
[06:22] <LaserJock> frisbee?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: large object, intended to hit him hard :P
[06:22] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you dont have frisbee's where you are?
[06:22] <LaserJock> yeah, but I'd have gone for a hammer or pitchfork or something real ;-)
[06:23] <crimsun_> well I suppose having frisbees thrown at me is better than being burned alive or trampled
[06:23] <bddebian> heh
[06:23] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: really you should have tossed all the KDE bugs his direction ;-)
[06:23] <crimsun_> dang, that's harsh.
[06:24] <bddebian> KDE has bugs?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: no, being burned alive is left for others who anger me.
[06:24] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: hehe
[06:24] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh, unfortunately, yes.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: he already gets all the audio ones from kde :P
[06:25] <LaserJock> what? KDE has sound? woah !:-)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> hehe.  well, it should :P
[06:25] <Hobbsee> most of the time, it does
[06:26] <bddebian> haha
[06:27] <LaserJock> what's the best intro to Python doc for non-programmers?
[06:27] <ajmitch> diveintopython?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i seem to have this on my favorites list, but i've never looked at it http://docs.python.org/tut/
[06:28] <bddebian> Python Cookbook?
[06:29] <LaserJock> k, k, k
[06:30] <bddebian> OK, time for this old man to go to bed.  Gnight folks.
[06:30] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[06:30] <crimsun_> 'night, bddebian
[06:30] <ajmitch> night old fella
[06:30] <bddebian> heh
[06:51] <LaserJock> boy, the party died when the diety left
[06:51] <LaserJock> either that or we all got back to work
[06:51] <Hobbsee> nah...
[06:51] <Hobbsee> we should be doign work, but arent :P
[06:51] <Hobbsee> anywya, who gave hiim permission to go to bed?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> (everyone please excuse my bad typing - fingers are very cold_
[06:51] <Hobbsee> )
[06:53] <LaserJock> yikes, this Ubuntu Developer's Reference is going to take some work
[06:53] <ajmitch> yep :)
[06:53] <ajmitch> that's why you've got Hobbsee to help out
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: say what?
[06:53] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, updated documentatoin would be good
[06:54] <TheMuso> heh
[06:54] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: please port http://www.us.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ to Ubuntu send ASAP, kthxby :-)
[06:54] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: muhahaha
[06:54] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Surely a few minutes of lots of typing will warm them up. :)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: eah, if you want to fix the typos
[06:54] <TheMuso> Nah. I understand what you are talking about.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: get writing :P
[06:55] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: no I delegated it to you :-)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> now that would be good to have ported to ubuntu...
[06:56] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: haha.  you're the documentation person - i just do nothing apart from order everynoe else around :D
[06:56] <LaserJock> I'm not a documentation person, I just can't keep my mouth shut :-)
[06:57] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Sure.  I know you mean the PG jsgotangco ;-)
[07:00] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: well, i do :)
[07:01] <LaserJock> I'm really going to need lots of -motu help for Edgy
[07:02] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Why? You have been doing great work.
[07:02] <TheMuso> And you seem to know what you are doing.
[07:02] <LaserJock> mwuahahahaha
[07:02] <LaserJock> that's a laugh
[07:02] <TheMuso> hehehe
[07:02] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:03] <LaserJock> I started the packaging guide because I didn't know how to package :-)
[07:03] <LaserJock> now I kinda know
[07:03] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[07:03] <LaserJock> but I have the Developer's Reference to do now, as well as MOTU work (and Edubuntu stuff)
[07:04] <LaserJock> so if the MOTU community can help with the PG it would help a lot
[07:04] <jsgotangco> let's grok the developer's reference in paris
[07:04] <LaserJock> heh, yeah. I plan on picking Ian's brain
[07:05] <TheMuso> jsgotangco: What noteworthy contributions have you, and are you still making to the community?
[07:06] <jsgotangco> well kidding aside, i mostly do some small stuff on gnome app install
[07:06] <jsgotangco> good morning dholbach
[07:07] <ajmitch> dholbach!!
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[07:07] <dholbach> heya jsgotangco, hey ajmitch, hey Hobbsee - good morning motu world
[07:07] <LaserJock> dholbach!!!
[07:07] <jsgotangco> and The OpenCD project
[07:07] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[07:08] <TheMuso> Hey dholbach.
[07:08] <TheMuso> Got your messages.
[07:08] <dholbach> hey TheMuso
[07:08] <TheMuso> LSR is a bit of an uncertain bundle as far as I am concerned.
[07:08] <dholbach> I see.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it seems that the chat has been killed again!  shameful!
[07:26] <LaserJock> wasn't me, honest
[07:27] <Hobbsee> sure sure...
[07:38] <TheMuso> Does the packaging guide encourage the use of dh-make? Or are we to do things differently now/
[07:39] <crimsun_> it's method-agnostic afaict
[07:39] <TheMuso> Ok.
[07:40] <TheMuso> heh
[07:40] <TheMuso> License would be useful it it supported CPL. :)
[07:41] <dholbach> oh well - there's always one death you have to die :)
[07:41] <ajmitch> :)
[07:41] <dholbach> drop the -c <license> then
[07:41] <LaserJock> I try to present how to do more than what to do, I learned early on there were way to many ways to do each packaging task to be exclusive to one
[07:42] <TheMuso> dholbach: You use cdbs?
[07:42] <dholbach> TheMuso: yes, wherever I can
[07:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: what do you use?
[07:42] <dholbach> Hobbsee: Makefiles - no debhelper :-p
[07:42] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I type stuff up
[07:42] <ajmitch> dholbach: nah, I still use cdbs :)
[07:42] <Hobbsee> oh icky.
[07:44] <LaserJock> I'm a debhelper kinda guy
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> morning
[08:18] <crimsun_> 'morning, Gloubiboulga
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> hi crimsun_
[08:54] <Hobbsee> bye all - off to answer a call for help.
[08:58] <crimsun_> < andrivid> I tried to upgrade glibc by compiling by hand........and now i got this error whenever i try any command.........
[08:58] <ajmitch> haha
[08:58] <ajmitch> #ubuntu?
[08:58] <crimsun_> indeed.
[08:59] <ajmitch> silly person
[09:02] <Mithrandir> crimsun_: "reinstall"
[09:02] <crimsun_> Mithrandir: yeah, that's what people are recommending
[09:02] <crimsun_> I just don't know what would drive people to recompile /glibc/
[09:03] <ajmitch> I'm impressed that they managed to do it
[09:03] <Mithrandir> it's mostly ./configure; make; make install
[09:06] <TheMuso> heh
[09:07] <dholbach> seems that ubuntu is not painful enough yet
[09:18] <zakame> hi all
[09:21] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame
[10:11] <Toadstool> 'morning MOTUs
[10:13] <crimsun_> 'morning, Toadstool
[10:13] <sivang> morning all
[10:13] <crimsun_> 'morning, sivang
[10:13] <Toadstool> hi crimsun_ & sivang
[10:18] <sivang> hey crimsun_ , Toadstool
[10:20] <TheMuso> c
[10:20] <crimsun_> sivang: did you get the libpcap0.7 issue sorted?
[10:27] <sivang> crimsun_: yes, for some **weird** reasons, I it could not be found in the repo when I tried then
[10:27] <crimsun_> sivang: ah, ok
[10:27] <sivang> crimsun_: but a day after , I retried and it's just worked
[11:14] <kelmo> gday siretart
[11:15] <kelmo> and all ;-)
[11:26] <siretart> kelmo: I'm out for lunch in a sec. but I've seen the posting on the mailing list
[11:27] <siretart> kelmo: looks like we need to upload a new wpasupplicant package with an increased epoch :(
[11:27] <kelmo> siretart: but i am not _terribly_ worried about the situation, do you think that is absolutely required?
[11:28] <rob> bah, anyone familiar with unsermake?
[11:29] <\sh> rob: it's kde stuff and is not working as expected
[11:29] <rob> oh, so I shouldn't be worried and just wait?
[11:30] <siretart> kelmo: well, I'm not too comfortable with having the 0.5 branch in unstable/etch
[11:31] <siretart> it is still marked experimental at upstream
[11:31] <siretart> need to leave. cu later
[11:31] <kelmo> siretart: can you ping me after lunch to further discuss this?
[11:31] <siretart> yes, will do
[11:31] <kelmo> thanks
[11:31] <crimsun_> at worst, just reversion it to 0.5.3+really.0.4.9-3
[11:32] <crimsun_> avoiding epoch increments is a Good Thing
[11:34] <ajmitch> 0.5.3+we.dont.want.unstable.code.0.4.9-3
[11:52] <rob> is the edgy debootstrap working currently?
[11:55] <rob> there doesn't appear to be an edgy script in the edgy package
[11:58] <jpatrick> rob: nope
[11:58] <sladen> rob: enough people have mentioned that is isn't, that I would guess it's probably not working yet
[11:58] <rob> dam.
[11:59] <ajmitch> just dist-upgrade dapper if you're that desperate
[11:59] <rob> its a chroot
[11:59] <ajmitch> so dist-upgrade it
[12:00] <rob> it only upgrades about 5 or 6 pacakges, is that correct?
[12:00] <ajmitch> yes
[12:00] <ajmitch> not much has gone in yet
[12:00] <rob> ok, I tried that but panicked when I saw that
[12:01] <ajmitch> why?
[12:02] <rob> didn't want to break it
[12:03] <rob> not yet, anyway :)
[12:05] <sivang> rob: mostly only toolchain stuff is currently slowly dropping in
[12:05] <rob> oh, I just wanted to set up a pbuilder environment for it
[12:05] <rob> guess it can wait
[12:12] <sivang> rob: I would say that a pbuilder setup could be possible, there is there mostly dapper stuff still, just un-updated
[12:12] <sivang> (I managed to setup a chroot by dist-upgrading a dapper chroot)
[12:13] <rob> I'm only really just getting started with all this, maybe I'm just to keen :)
[12:53] <Sp4rKy> hi MOTUs
[12:57] <zul> heylo
[12:58] <Sp4rKy> hi zul
[01:00] <zul> hey Sp4rKy
[01:17] <siretart> kelmo: he, I'm back now
[01:17] <siretart> s/he/hi/
[01:17] <kelmo> re siretart
[01:17] <siretart> sorry for the delay, we needed to talk about new servers here..
[01:17] <kelmo> quite an active night tonight
[01:17] <kelmo> no problems
[01:18] <siretart> well, it seems that the 0.5 branch has slipped into sid.
[01:18] <kelmo> precisely
[01:18] <siretart> do you really want to go with the experimental branch for etch at this point?
[01:18] <kelmo> with experimental baggage
[01:18] <kelmo> siretart: well i see it like this:
[01:19] <kelmo> siretart: i would have preffered that this never happened ;-)
[01:19] <kelmo> siretart: 0.5 will be marked stable in due time, as part of the wpa_sup development cycle
[01:19] <kelmo> siretart: i bet that would happen before etch, but that is not guarenteed
[01:20] <kelmo> siretart: so, whatever happens, i am comfortable supporting it
[01:20] <kelmo> siretart: but would have preferred to keep 0.5 in experimental until upstream gave the "stable" blessing
[01:20] <kelmo> siretart: i must wear the blame here, i did not tag the changelog correctly
[01:21] <kelmo> siretart: in fact i did, but did not sync that one change
[01:21] <siretart> kelmo: where do you read that jouni plans to make the 0.5 branch stable soon?
[01:21] <kelmo> siretart: svn history reveals the passage of time
[01:21] <kelmo> siretart: please re-read my sentence
[01:21] <siretart> kelmo: no problem. mistakes happen, and I didn't get to review it. so it is half my error for not cross checking
 siretart: 0.5 will be marked stable in due time, as part of the wpa_sup development cycle
[01:21] <kelmo> "in due time"
[01:22] <kelmo> i think maybe 3 or 4 months
[01:22] <kelmo> just a guess
[01:22] <siretart> hm
[01:22] <kelmo> siretart: however, i would like everyone to be comfortable with what we have
[01:23] <kelmo> i love what 0.5 series offers
[01:23] <kelmo> i bet pkg-utopia would like it too
[01:23] <siretart> the current wpasupplicant package in unstable breaks wpa on madwifi-old systems
[01:23] <kelmo> and network-manager
[01:23] <siretart> I'm not comfortable with that at all
[01:23] <kelmo> siretart: pkg-madwifi (ie ME) has reacted to that
[01:24] <kelmo> and lool
[01:24] <kelmo> (Loic)
[01:24] <pygi> siretart, we are completely to switch to -ng with edgy I think
[01:25] <kelmo> exactly
[01:25] <kelmo> we (upstream madwifi) also don't support madwifi-old
[01:25] <siretart> pygi: yes. I read something like that between the lines in #ubuntu-devel
[01:25] <kelmo> so i can live with that
[01:25] <pygi> kelmo, but to be honest, -ng is still higly experimental
[01:25] <siretart> ok. so you suggest dropping madwifi-old support altogether, and go with the 0.5 branch of wpasupplicant
[01:26] <kelmo> siretart: i am offering points of discussion
[01:26] <kelmo> siretart: i am not forming hard opinion
[01:26] <kelmo> nor hard suggestion
[01:26] <pygi> siretart, we need our own stabilization periods on both madwifi-ng and wpasupplicant
[01:27] <pygi> we discovered a security issue in wpasupplicant/network-manager interaction rather late in the process for dapper
[01:27] <pygi> that shouldn't happen this time
[01:27] <siretart> well, there weren't too many serious complaints/bug reports on the hostap mailinglist about the 0.5 branch, and hostap is shipping the 0.5 branch as well
[01:28] <pygi> agreed, I plan to contact upstream about n-m, too see if N-M will be out for edgy
[01:28] <siretart> hmmm
[01:28] <pygi> I kinda doubt we should support it, cause even if it will be out, it'll be late in the release cycle...
[01:28] <pygi> and considering the buggy nature of it :-/
[01:29] <siretart> kelmo: we can of course wait a week or two, and see how many angry reports we get for breaking madwifi-old, and then reconsider
[01:29] <kelmo> siretart: as madwifi maintainer, I am more than happy to support those poor souls
[01:30] <kelmo> and experience tells me that most debian people are installing madwifi-ng by hand in any case . . .
[01:30] <pygi> siretart, the point is that -ng supports much more and is better
[01:30] <kelmo> pygi: indeed ;-)
[01:30] <pygi> just not stability-wise, but that can be improved by our communication with upstream
[01:30] <kelmo> pygi: we plan to make 0.9.1 release very soon
[01:31] <kelmo> pygi: stability is definately on the agenda ;-)
[01:31] <pygi> kelmo, nice, hopefully with some improvements on that field:P
[01:31] <kelmo> scanning is also fubarred
[01:31] <kelmo> and mode changing
[01:31] <pygi> the scanning was most often problem with madwifi-old
[01:31] <pygi> even tho we backported some stuff from 0.5.x
[01:32] <pygi> (not the parts we needed to fix it tho :P)
[01:32] <kelmo> yes, raciness of the bsd stack is a curse
[01:32] <pygi> siretart, what I would suggest is rather to switch to new wpasupplicant, madwifi-ng and write our own patches for 0.6.3 of network manager
[01:32] <pygi> and perhaps, but just perhaps port some stuff from it's trunk
[01:33] <pygi> that way we get most feature & stability wise
[01:33] <siretart> pygi: for edgy, I agree with that.
[01:33] <pygi> siretart, I am talking about edgy :P
[01:34] <kelmo> siretart: i would not like to support madwifi-old anything for etch, not even in wpasupplicant, just this timing was not optimal
[01:34] <siretart> I see
[01:34] <kelmo> 2 years of supporting deprecated driver would not be easy
[01:35] <siretart> kelmo: I see the argument that madwifi-old isn't an option for etch.
[01:35] <kelmo> siretart: funny thing was, my madwifi sponsor noticed the wpasupplicant upload, and was quite angry to begin with
[01:36] <siretart> kelmo: ok. Then let's do this: provide the prepared upload as binary on alioth/the wiki, and write an explanation to our mailing list
[01:36] <siretart> kelmo: if there are users which insist on using madwifi-old, then they shall take our 0.4 wpasupplicant binary
[01:37] <siretart> if we get too many complaints, we can revert to 0.4.
[01:37] <kelmo> no problems
[01:37] <kelmo> i will add the dpatch to our source package
[01:37] <kelmo> fopr both versions
[01:37] <kelmo> and only activate one
[01:37] <kelmo> would that be okay?
[01:38] <siretart> kelmo: thats a good idea. provide both dpatches, and make a switch in debian/rules for selection of -old/-ng
[01:38] <siretart> kelmo: users can then reroll their own binaries, if they like with the switch set to -old
[01:38] <kelmo> yes
[01:40] <kelmo> siretart: hmm, do you think i should bother Kyle for one last minute upload, with the required changes?
[01:40] <siretart> we need to make a decision in <10 days, so that the 0.5 branch doesn't reach testing..
[01:40] <kelmo> siretart: and move 0.5 to trunk
[01:40] <kelmo> siretart: pending discussion
[01:41] <siretart> kelmo: we need some explanation in README.Debian, with rationale
[01:41] <kelmo> siretart: will do
[01:41] <siretart> I don't think the situation is too bad. it is unstable land anyway
[01:42] <kelmo> agreed
[01:42] <kelmo> but i feel very much responsible for it
[01:42] <siretart> kelmo: I don't have unstable at hand, is madwifi-ng actually in debian/unstable? which package is it?
[01:43] <kelmo> siretart: no, we have planned its upload to unstable just tonight
[01:43] <kelmo> siretart: sec
[01:43] <kelmo> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian
[01:44] <kelmo> explains all
[01:44] <kelmo> or pkg-madwifi homepage
[01:44] <kelmo> (yes i pinched pkg-wpa's redirect hack ;-)
[01:44] <siretart> kelmo: so it will be stuck in NEW for at least one or two weeks :(
[01:45] <kelmo> siretart: yes
[01:45] <kelmo> but this is not the end of the world
[01:45] <siretart> but will break laptops. like the one of my primary sponsor
[01:45] <kelmo> siretart: i cannot help avoid that
[01:46] <kelmo> madwifi ABI sucks
[01:46] <kelmo> bigtime
[01:46] <kelmo> madwifi-ng is in experimental
[01:46] <kelmo> btw
[01:46] <kelmo> pygi: wext support almost completely eliminates it ;-)
[01:46] <siretart> kelmo: err, if it is in experimental, and you don't add new package, it doesn't need to go through NEW
[01:47] <kelmo> siretart: we have made enough changes that it *will* be in NEW
[01:47] <kelmo> siretart: i am quite aware of this
[01:47] <kelmo> please see pkg-madwifi svn
[01:47] <siretart> kelmo: could you revert these changes, so that we have a quick version in unstable, and upload the version with the new binary packages afterwards?
[01:48] <kelmo> siretart: i too must follow my sponsors advice
[01:48] <kelmo> siretart: and I have
[01:48] <siretart> hm
[01:49] <siretart> ok. then let's include these notes to wpasupplicants README.Debian
[01:49] <kelmo> siretart: i don't have any rapid communication avenue with him either, not rapid enough to revert stuff just discussed anhour ago
[01:50] <siretart> suggest users to either use madwifi-ng from experimental, or roll madwifi-ng their own
[01:50] <siretart> or revert their package to 0.4
[01:50] <kelmo> siretart: what about my own packages?
[01:50] <kelmo> ;-)
[01:50] <siretart> err, /me confused
[01:50] <kelmo> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifing
[01:51] <kelmo> many people have been using those for quite some time
[01:51] <siretart> or use these packages, of course
[01:51] <siretart> ok
[01:51] <kelmo> siretart: i would suggest we point to the madwifi.org wiki in our docs
[01:51] <kelmo> too
[01:52] <kelmo> that way i can make rapid changes to the avenue of support for the people effected by this change
[01:52] <siretart> kelmo: let's prepare these notes intended for README.Debian on wiki, and point to that place in the docs
[01:52] <kelmo> yep
[01:52] <siretart> I don't mind if we use madwifi.org or wiki.debian.org. the other wiki should link to the information
[01:53] <kelmo> yep, indeed
[01:53] <kelmo> but i am absolutely comfortable with madwifi wiki
[01:53] <kelmo> because i wrote it ;-)
[01:53] <siretart> ;)
[01:53] <siretart> ok
[01:54] <kelmo> siretart: thanks for your time discussing this issue
[01:54] <kelmo> very appreciated
[01:54] <siretart> then I let you prepare the notes, I continue my work. I see that I can finish earlier (in 2 or 3h) so I can start reviewing and preparing our svn
[01:54] <siretart> kelmo: just tell me where you prepare the notes
[01:54] <siretart> kelmo: hey, we are both Co-maintainers for this package ;)
[01:54] <kelmo> siretart: i will email pkg-wpa
[01:55] <siretart> ok
[01:55] <kelmo> siretart: being co-maintainer does not mean you must talk with me about anything ;-)
[01:55] <kelmo> although, that'd be quite unhealthy
[01:56] <kelmo> siretart: i have 2 hours until the clock strikes twleve, then i must sleep or else my work will suffer ;-)
[01:56] <siretart> kelmo: no. but every change must be documented in the changelog so all developers know what happens
[01:56] <siretart> kelmo: ok. I'll continue then
[01:56] <kelmo> see you later
[02:04] <kelmo> siretart: oh yeah, slightly off topic, but /usr/bin/* was completely missing on my laptop due to ext3 corruption just last night : (
[02:04] <kelmo> siretart: etch beta2 netinstall saved the day in about one hour
[02:06] <Whoopie> Hi, where can I find the the build progress of the dapper-updates packages?
[02:08] <Riddell> Whoopie: same place as any other package
[02:08] <Riddell> Whoopie: buildds are on manual and upload to dapper-updates have to be approved
[02:08] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+builds
[02:09] <Whoopie> Riddell: so, when they are accepted in dapper-updates, they are not built automaticly?
[02:10] <Riddell> Whoopie: correct
[02:10] <Riddell> you need to talk nicely to infinity
[02:10] <ogra> and get approval for the upload first :)
[02:10] <Riddell> the approval bit is even less transparent, no launchpad interface to that
[02:11] <Whoopie> ok, thanks. that's for all packages, not only universe/multiverse?
[02:11] <Riddell> yes, all packages
[02:11] <Whoopie> hmm
[02:11] <siretart> kelmo: puh. lucky you :)
[02:15] <Sp4rKy> what's the members section at ubuntu.com ?
[02:16] <jpatrick> where?
[02:16] <Sp4rKy> jpatrick, yes where sorry
[02:16] <ogra> what members section ?
[02:17] <jpatrick> Sp4rKy: ^
[02:17] <Sp4rKy> ogra, section with all personnal pages
[02:17] <ogra> there is launchpad and the wiki, feel free to make a personal page on one of them ...
[02:17] <ogra> (or on both)
[02:18] <Sp4rKy> i've done a personal page on the wifi , but i don't know where it is so i can't find it to modify :p
[02:18] <jpatrick> wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <ogra> the wiki has a search function
[02:48] <Hobbsee> greetings all.
[02:50] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso :)
[02:51] <Yagisan> G'day Hobbsee. TheMuso
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hey Yagisan
[02:51] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee, Yagisan, TheMuso
[02:52] <Yagisan> night ajmitch
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch and goodnight :)
[02:56] <Talorex> hi
[02:56] <Yagisan> hmm. can anyone suggest an app that captures opengl to either .avi or to lossless images ?
[03:05] <kelmo> siretart: as an added bonus, that init script has _completely_ dissappeared ;-)
[03:05] <Whoopie> Riddell: just onother question: there's http://buildd.debian.org. Is there something equal in Ubuntu?
[03:05] <siretart> kelmo: yay! :)
[03:05] <siretart> kelmo: err, btw, why?
[03:05] <jpatrick> Whoopie: https://launchpad.net/+builds
[03:06] <kelmo> siretart: wpa_action is the way we support roaming, not some half baked init daemon, imho
[03:06] <kelmo> siretart: i did not want to send conflicting messages (and again, this was not meant to enter sid!)
[03:06] <siretart> kelmo: right, we agreed on that some time ago. the initscript in usr/share/doc doesn't hurt however, did it?
[03:07] <kelmo> siretart: i can reinstate it right now, as part of the current changeset, if required (i do not like the code in the init script however)
[03:08] <Whoopie> jpatrick: thanks. I'm blind and didn't see the search function. sorry.
[03:08] <siretart> kelmo: I'd say keep it in usr/share/doc for now. it doesn't hurt, isn't a conffile, doesn't cause conflicts
[03:08] <siretart> just in case somebody like felix again comes up and screems,before wigroamer is implemented and uploaded
[03:09] <kelmo> siretart: well, at the time it was removed, i was gloating about how nice wpa_raom was working (for me)
[03:09] <kelmo> siretart: will do it
[03:10] <siretart> I don't like it either, it is rather a defensive measure for ppl like felix..
[03:10] <siretart> thanks
[03:10] <kelmo> siretart: I added the madwifiold patch
[03:10] <siretart> cool. thanks
[03:10] <kelmo> siretart: made a NEWS entry with brief instructions on how to enable it
[03:10] <kelmo> siretart: edited WPA wiki page on w.d.o
[03:11] <kelmo> siretart: made a note on madwifi.org debian page that links to other page on w.d.o
[03:12] <kelmo> i am sure you will be able to improve some of the text
[03:12] <kelmo> but its the best i can offer in this timeframe
[03:12] <siretart> kelmo: no problem. get some sleep, I will continue in about an hour
[03:13] <kelmo> siretart: should we think about asking for a new upload, considering the circumstances?
[03:15] <siretart> kelmo: will do so on the list, as soon as I looked at it, okay?
[03:15] <kelmo> siretart: yep, cool
[03:54] <kelmo> siretart: one last quickie, should I transfer branches/wpasupplicant-0.5 to trunk, or not yet?
[03:55] <siretart> kelmo: do it, we can still revert if necessary
[03:56] <kelmo> siretart: and good news is we have kyle's attention ;-)
[03:59] <siretart> kelmo: I just answered
[04:00] <siretart> ah, you as well ;)
[04:07] <kelmo> siretart: i copied trunk to /branches/wpasupplicant-0.4
[04:08] <kelmo> siretart: and repopulated trunk with current version
[04:08] <kelmo> s/copied/moved/
[04:08] <siretart> ok. great.
[04:09] <kelmo> well, popualation is taking a long time on my link
[04:52] <tired_off_being_> Hi, I noticed a problem with *.archive.ubuntu.com and wanted to make sure you were aware of it. One of the two servers doesn't have the right content
[04:53] <cf2> Compare http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ (good) with http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ (bad)
[04:53] <cf2> <random person> on #ubuntu pointed me here, so apologies if I'm off base
[04:54] <Spec> me, it was me, bwahahhaaa.
[05:19] <phanatic> afternoon everyone
[05:44] <cf2> Spec: since I've had no response, should I file a bug ?
[05:51] <hub> how can a MOTU fix a package in main?
[05:51] <pygi> hub, a sponsor can upload fix for you
[05:51] <_ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/software/goodmorning/
[05:52] <hub> so I have to talk to seb128 then
[05:54] <zul> i could do it for you once edgy opens
[05:56] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[05:57] <Spec> cf2: dunno
[05:58] <cf2> Spec: so maybe the server died and isn't set up again. The the consquences for apt have been going for a few days
[05:58] <cf2> *again yet
[06:04] <Spec> hey, cf2 i would but bddebian, he seems to know everything
[06:04] <bddebian> Bah, I don't know anything
[06:07] <cf2> bddebian: I noticed that the two machines that resolve for *.archive.ubuntu.com have different content. Compare http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ (good) with http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ (bad)
[06:08] <cf2> This gives me gzip errors when running Synaptic/Update Manager because .7 is returning a text 404 instead of a valid gzip archive
[06:08] <cf2> (stock sources.list on Dapper)
[06:09] <bddebian> Probably should ask in #-devel?
[06:09] <cf2> That's #ubuntu-devel or literally what you said ?
[06:10] <jpatrick> the former
[06:10] <cf2> ok, will try that then
[06:10] <cf2> thanks for your help
[06:39] <Spec> so, i submitted a package to revu yesterday, what should i do about it? :p (i don't see it on revu.tauware.de?)
[06:44] <siretart> Spec: which one?
[06:45] <Spec> cxacrufw-1.2
[06:50] <siretart> Spec: ah, you didn't read the instructions properly ;)
[06:51] <siretart> Spec: you uploaded a binary package. they can't be reviewed and are ignored by revu
[06:51] <siretart> Spec: btw, did you intend to upload a native package?
[06:53] <Spec> native as in i386?
[06:53] <Spec> Hmm, I thought I uploaded the source package
[06:53] <Spec> d'oh, i didn't
[06:54] <bddebian> Hi ivoks
[06:54] <Spec> ok, just uploaded the source
[06:55] <siretart> Spec: again, without .orig.tar.gz
[06:55] <siretart> native, as in without .orig.tar.gz
[06:56] <Spec> How does the .orig.tar.gz get made?
[06:57] <Spec> oh, dh_make makes that
[07:00] <Spec> can't upload it again because the file exists?
[07:02] <Spec> i can't delete it off the ftp server :p
[07:04] <LaserJock> Spec: did you use dput -f
[07:05] <Spec> of course not
[07:05] <Spec> okay, all is uploaded, and the .orig :p
[07:07] <Spec> i don't know where the .orig file went though, it's not in the incoming/ directory it seems
[07:07] <Spec> oh, no, i'm an idiot. wrong repo, anyways, i still get an error: "Error 553 Could not create file. ' because cxacrufw_1.2-1.dsc already exists
[07:09] <siretart> Spec: I removed it for you one more time ;)
[07:09] <Spec> yay :)
[07:09] <Spec> i noticed :p
[07:10] <Spec> phew, it's all there now :p
[07:11] <Spec> now i wait on a cronjob to do mini-dinstall or the equivalent?
[07:11] <LaserJock> siretart: what is up with that? It keeps happening
[07:11] <LaserJock> the .dsc file just needs to be removed?
[07:11] <siretart> Spec: and you didn't ask me to include your keyid :/
[07:11] <Spec> hmm?
[07:12] <Spec> I think the changes file was rejected
[07:12] <Spec> oh, no, it's actually there :p
[07:12] <siretart> now it has got accepted, I imported Specs key
[07:13] <siretart> I'm off for today now. cu
[07:14] <Spec> thanks :)
[10:04] <bddebian> So who knows grep-dctrl?
[10:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: what are you trying to do?
[10:08] <bddebian> I want to see what packages build-depend on foo
[10:09] <bddebian> I try grep-dctrl -F Build-depends foo and get nothing
[10:09] <LaserJock> and you are telling it what packages to do that on?
[10:11] <bddebian> Well I think I can use the Packages file but I'm not sure
[10:12] <LaserJock> bddebian: I usually use lucas' multi-distro-tools for that
[10:14] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:15] <LaserJock> or I write a python script for the heck of it
[10:33] <bddebian> ryanakca: Still here?
[10:33] <ryanakca> yep
[10:34] <bddebian> Any luck with the scons thing yet?
[10:38] <ryanakca> nope
[10:39] <Toadstool> g'night motus
[10:40] <bddebian> What are you trying to package?
[10:40] <bddebian> Gnight Toadstool
[10:43] <ryanakca> Secret Maryo Chronicles
[10:43] <ryanakca> want me to ftp/dcc/put the source on my server/whatever for you?
[10:44] <bddebian> ryanakca: It's your own package?
[10:44] <ryanakca> no...
[10:44] <ryanakca> I'm making a package... from someone elses source
[10:45] <ryanakca> or you can download the .zip http://www.secretmaryo.org/
 E.g. "debuild binary" reports that it doesn't know how to "binary" despite that being in the manpage
[10:47] <bluefoxicy> lol
[10:48] <_ion> Worksforme
[10:48] <ryanakca> bddebian: any ideas?
[10:51] <bddebian> ryanakca: Looking :-)
[10:51] <ryanakca> :)
[10:51] <ryanakca> btw... I have piano soon, so I might not reply for a while :D
[10:51] <blanky> hey guys, is there anything I can help with with python? I mean, is there something I can look at, a page or something, that shows the projects/bugs/things that require python knowledge to fix?
[10:51] <LaserJock> blanky: no one is here?
[10:51] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:52] <blanky> >=O
[10:52] <ogra> LaserJock, well, its easy to oversee the 115 ppl hiding in the rooms corners ;)
[10:52] <LaserJock> well, I do suppose all those slackers don't count ;-)
[10:52] <ogra> heh
[10:52] <bddebian> Do
[10:53] <bddebian> h
[10:53] <bddebian> I resemble that remark ;-P
[10:53] <crimsun_> bddebian's no slacker, he's a deity
[10:53] <blanky> so...
[10:54] <Murray> I'm new here and would like to help dev. I'm just not sure where to start.
[10:54] <LaserJock> anybody know if Uploaders: means anything in Ubuntu?
[10:54] <ogra> nope, it doesnt
[10:54] <ogra> like Maintainer:
[10:54] <LaserJock> k, that's what I thought, oh well
[10:56] <LaserJock> blanky and Murray: give me a sec and I'll be with you
[10:56] <blanky> kay
[10:57] <bddebian> ryanakca: Where do you see that it uses scons?
[10:58] <ryanakca> bddebian: forums... bbl...
[10:58] <bddebian> NP, I have to head home anyway.  I'll check it out
[10:58] <Spec> so...any MOTU wanna review/advocate my package? O:)
[10:59] <bddebian> Later folks
[11:00] <phanatic> Spec: i'm not a motu, but i could have a look if you want :)
[11:00] <Spec> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2426 :)
[11:02] <LaserJock> ok blanky and Murray
[11:02] <blanky> :)
[11:02] <LaserJock> blanky: are you interested in writing new apps, or bug fixing, or packaging existing apps?
[11:02] <blanky> all/either
[11:02] <blanky> except for packaging existing apps
[11:04] <LaserJock> hmm, well for looking for new stuff I'd check out specs
[11:04] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs
[11:04] <LaserJock> and for bugs
[11:04] <LaserJock> I'd check out wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[11:05] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay, and also #ubuntu-bugs
[11:05] <blanky> kay, what I was particularly interested in was, I heard recently that ubuntu wanted it's programs, or more programs rather, in python, so I was wondering if there was a page that showed just what types of programs they were looking for, or what was in demand
[11:05] <LaserJock> well, there is lots of stuff needed, but there isn't a Python specifc list
[11:06] <blanky> okay, thanks
[11:07] <LaserJock> Ubuntu sort of "leans" towards Python but it isn't exclusive by any means
[11:07] <LaserJock> it depends on the app and upstream authors, etc.
[11:07] <blanky> of course
[11:07] <LaserJock> the specs might be a good place to find projects to work on
[11:09] <LaserJock> but Ubuntu itself is a distro so don't think we exactly write a lot of new software
[11:09] <Murray> I'd like to start the Linux programming bit. I am a elec. eng. 8 years exp. in Borland Delphi. I use GNU GCC for embedded Firmware dev. Assembler etc. but very limited unix experience/exposure.
 This appears to be a breakage if using CDBS rather than the templated debian/rules file built by dh_make
[11:09] <Murray> I'd like to start the Linux programming bit. I am a elec. eng. 8 years exp. in Borland Delphi. I use GNU GCC for embedded Firmware dev. Assembler etc. but very limited unix experience/exposure.
[11:09] <Murray> I'd like to start the Linux programming bit. I am a elec. eng. 8 years exp. in Borland Delphi. I use GNU GCC for embedded Firmware dev. Assembler etc. but very limited or no unix experience/exposure.
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> Murray:  stfu
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> Murray:  Er, I mean, only post the same question once.
[11:09] <ogra> bluefoxicy, be careful with your wording
[11:09] <Murray> Sorry!
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> _ion:  still worksforyou?
[11:09] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: I had a bunch of lag
[11:09] <LaserJock> bluefoxicy: it could have been that
[11:10] <phanatic> LaserJock: do you have reviewer rights on revu?
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  'stfu' is much faster to type though :)
[11:10] <LaserJock> phanatic: yeah
[11:10] <LaserJock> but I have to go right now
[11:10] <ogra> bluefoxicy, but totally inappropriate for any ubuntu channel
[11:10] <phanatic> LaserJock: okay then :)
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  well yeah, but to be fair so is flooding :)
[11:11] <ogra> but you can tell him to stop it in a more appropriate way
[11:11] <bluefoxicy> ogra:  you're no fun (ad-hominem)
[11:11] <Murray> Sorry folks it seems my IRC ap treats a cut and paste as a enter. By bad.
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> Murray:  okay then well anyway.
[11:13] <blanky> !language
[11:13] <Erlang> ?language ?
[11:13] <blanky> erlang, isn't that that weird networking langauge?
[11:13] <blanky> *language
[11:14] <blanky> http://www.erlang.org/about.html
[11:14] <Murray> Anyone...?
[11:14] <Erlang> yes
[11:15] <Erlang> Murray: your welcome to get involed is pretty much the only thing we can answer to your "question".
[11:16] <Murray> ADV on where to start? What lang. are mostly used in the ubuntu packages etc.
[11:18] <Erlang> In the packages, C/C++ is majority.  But development started by Ubuntu is in Python.
[11:19] <phanatic> Spec: ping
[11:22] <Murray> Thanks Erlang. Do you have a suggestion of a simple typical ap that I should use as an example. To build myself. mod. learn etc. Like windows calc, but one that is a good example of what the community expects?
[11:24] <Erlang> Murray: no I don't have such answer.
[11:25] <Erlang> Murray: the best way to get involved into such a big project is to hook up to something you care about.
[11:26] <Erlang> Murray: for example, you could work on some package related to embeded software
[11:28] <Murray> K. no experience in Python though. Downloading it now. wil have to do some learning first.
[11:30] <Erlang> should be easy enough
[11:48] <Murray> Thanks for the adv. download compleated. see you all soon.


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[01:09] <ubotu> New bug: #177600 in ubuntu "Can't Empty .Trash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177600
[01:17] <ubotu> New bug: #177792 in gnomebaker (universe) ""Remove selected" doesn't work in the directory tree" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177792
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177794 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "package gnome-system-monitor 2.21.4-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus post-installation script a retourné une erreur de sortie d'état 134" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177794
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177800 in k3b (main) "k3b "No CD/DVD writer found"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177800
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177799 in update-manager-core (main) "do-release-upgrade corrupts grub's menu.lst" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177799
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177801 in ubuntu "Only sound in builtin subwoofer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177801
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177802 in ubuntu "samba: nmbd no longer starts automatically after gutsy upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177802
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177805 in scribus (main) "Scribus does not work with accented characters when writing into a text box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177805
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177806 in transmission (universe) "Please sync transmission 0.96.dfsg-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177806
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177807 in ubuntu "rtc errors in gutsy 64 bit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177807
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177811 in pidgin (main) "Please merge pidgin 2.3.1-2 (main) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177811
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177814 in ubuntu "nautilus ftp client needs an option to change to active mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177814
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177813 in firefox (main) "Crash on visit to WowArmory.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177813
[04:22] <ubotu> New bug: #177815 in ubuntu "please sync package libgtk-vnc-1.0-0 from debian sid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177815
[04:22] <ubotu> New bug: #177816 in nautilus (main) "Automatic scrolling to off-screen content is slow and hard to use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177816
[04:25] <greg-g> can someone who is able set the Importance to "low" on bug 174633
[04:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174633 in ruby-amazon "alexandria 0.6.1 no german amazon search possible" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174633
[04:27] <Hobbsee> done
[04:27] <persia> greg-g: done
[04:28]  * persia wins, according to +activity :P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> aww
[04:30] <greg-g> persia: thanks!
[04:30] <greg-g> erm, Hobbsee thanks!
[04:30] <greg-g> :)
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177817 in avidemux (multiverse) "VCD (lavc) does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177817
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177819 in adept (main) "java license agreement not self-evident enough" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177819
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177820 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Fails to logon (freezes) and cannot use terminal as it freezes as well if i try running any commands." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177820
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[04:48] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: hey there
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hiya bdmurray!  how's it going?
[04:48]  * Hobbsee wonders what a fast X actually feels like
[04:49] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: good packing for holiday
[04:49] <bdmurray> where packing is doing 'bzr checkout' on my laptop
[04:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:49] <Hobbsee> of course, of course
[04:50] <bdmurray> doing the important stuff first :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> no, you should do that last.  just in case there's another commit
[04:50] <bdmurray> ah, outsmarted again
[04:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:52] <bdmurray> well, I can do a pull at the last minute
[04:52] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> where are you holidaying?
[04:52] <bdmurray> Southern California
[04:54] <Hobbsee> nice!
[04:54] <bdmurray> yeah, getting away from the rain
[04:56] <Hobbsee> mmm...rain
[04:56] <Hobbsee> just no hail
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177823 in firefox (main) "Urdu font at bbc urdu.com is not readable, font available at bbc urdu.com can not be installed on ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177823
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177825 in apt (main) "subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177825
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177826 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nvidia-glx-new" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177826
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177828 in linux (main) "device-mapper: snapshots: Invalidating snapshot: Unable to allocate exception." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177828
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177829 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Please update fgrlx to 8.44 aka 7.12" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177829
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177830 in gaim (main) "can't remove buddys from list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177830
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177834 in ubuntu "Kernal panic after update to 6.2.23" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177834
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177835 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "USB devices not functioning after kernel upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177835
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177839 in totem (main) "cannot start a movie halfways when playing from network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177839
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177841 in totem (main) "synaptic button not active when mouse is over it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177841
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177847 in meta-kde (main) "Can't save keyboard settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177847
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177850 in aptitude (main) "aptitude crashed with SIGSEGV when forgetting new packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177850
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177853 in ubuntu "Ubuntu Gutsy i386 server ISO cannot install kernel - critical error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177853
[09:24] <kagou> Good morning
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177851 in mythplugins "mythnews news-sites.xml is out of date" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177851
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177856 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Gutsy 64: nspluginwrapper errors with flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.115" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177856
[09:52] <joumetal> bug 177598 Which is right package grub? initramfs-tools?
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177598 in ubuntu "security upgrade rewrites partition table and leaves machine unbootable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177598
[10:04] <kagou> 'jour seb128
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177859 in linux-meta (main) "Atheros AR2413 Wireless not working with linux-rt update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177859
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177860 in ubuntu "CUPS driver for Canon PIXMA MP 220 does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177860
[10:06] <seb128> lut kagou
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #177864 in linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS> "fglrx: packaging of ATI Catalyst 7.12 drivers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177864
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177865 in thunderbird (main) "thunderbird doesn't delete local mails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177865
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177867 in totem (main) "Totem doesn't play when opening a file that's already open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177867
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177868 in partman-ext3 "When loopfiles are used mkfs has to target the file and not the containing device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177868
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177869 in ia32-libs (universe) "vmware-server-console broken after 2.2ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177869
[12:52] <Kmos> MOTU Q&A session in 11 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177878 in wacom-tools (main) "[Hardy] init script fails to create /dev/input/wacom on 2.6.24 kernels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177878
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177879 in gnome-panel (main) "Ubuntu randomly restarts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177879
[13:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177881 in network-manager-applet (main) "NetworkManager deactivates eth0 at boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177881
[13:31]  * persia is suspicious, and suspects specifically insufficient investigation
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177880 in compiz (main) "compiz prevents mouse from using edgemost pixels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177880
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177882 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Shift-F10 keyboard shortcut should emulate right click" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177882
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177883 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel bug on running ifconfig" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177883
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177884 in gnome-panel (main) "Please sponsor gnome-panel 2.20.2 into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177884
[14:08] <ubotu> New bug: #177886 in ubuntu "[Hardy]clock applet settings cannot be changed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177886
[14:08] <ubotu> New bug: #177887 in rhythmbox (main) "Crash after importing 3000+ songs from network folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177887
[14:08] <ubotu> New bug: #177888 in libxcb (main) "libxcb cause java to crash when running swing applications in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177888
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177890 in subversion (universe) "bzr-svn badly horks svn repository if pushing a changeset which includes a new symlink" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177890
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177892 in mpd (universe) "mpd doesn't resample 96KHz FLACs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177892
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #177893 in totem (main) "Totem - internal data flow error on mp3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177893
[14:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177895 in linux (main) "Kernel 2.6.24-2 causing ~1000 wakeups by "Rescheduling Interrupts"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177895
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177899 in thunar (main) "thunar unable to open or mount openbsd partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177899
[15:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177900 in compiz (main) "full screen applicatin black screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177900
[15:18] <ubotu> New bug: #177903 in ubuntu "Green webcam image on a SiS integrated graphics card" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177903
[15:22] <ubotu> New bug: #177904 in firefox (main) "flashplayer in firefox inoperable, cant listen to web radio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177904
[15:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177905 in nautilus (main) "hidden error when no gnome-app-install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177905
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177907 in totem (main) "I watch all video  .avi in black and white" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177907
[15:48] <bddebian> Boo
[15:49] <pochu> That's not a totem bug ^
[15:49] <pochu> hey bddebian
[15:51] <bddebian> Hi pochu
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177908 in xfce4-wmdock-plugin (universe) "Please sync xfce4-wmdock-plugin  0.1.6-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177908
[16:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177911 in update-manager (main) "A unresolvable problem occurred while initalizing the package information." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177911
[16:27] <Pici> !uvf
[16:27] <ubotu> uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[16:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177912 in mono "mono needs update, NOW!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177912
[16:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177913 in ekiga (main) "Chat: Recipient's chat window does not pop up automatically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177913
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177914 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer segv in gnome_screensaver_control()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177914
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177915 in powersave (universe) "Powersaved fails after restart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177915
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177916 in firefox (main) "Pictures/graphics arn't showing up " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177916
[16:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177917 in gcc-4.2 (main) "64bits libs installed on i386 systems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177917
[16:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177918 in ekiga (main) "Ekiga shows video until I make a call: It then freezes the video my end and shows nothing on the remote end" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177918
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #177920 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "Music Player Lockups (Banshee, Rythmbox, VLC)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177920
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #176440 in gnome-panel (main) "non riesco improvvisamente a passare da un'area di lavoro all'altra" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176440
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #176483 in hwdb-client (main) "x-unikey cannot install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176483
[17:04] <pochu> I'm tempted *not* to update mono at all...:
[17:04] <pochu> mono needs update, NOW!
[17:04] <pochu> Someone better get these updates going or I'll have to switch to a distribution that provides more frequent updates...
[17:05] <seb128> pochu: what is happening to you now? ;-)
[17:05] <pochu> seb128: I was reading bug 177912 :-)
[17:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177912 in mono "Please update mono to 1.2.6" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177912
[17:06] <pochu> seb128: luckily I don't read flamewars on u-devel-discuss, nor do I listen to this kind of bug reports.
[17:06] <seb128> pochu: ah ;-)
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176565 in firefox (main) "can not see abc videos" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176565
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176593 in update-manager (main) "weather applet crashes on logout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176593
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176706 in ubuntu "unable to upload new updates or get dvd player to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176706
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176716 in ubuntu "Error of Quanta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176716
[17:07] <pochu> And we have mono 1.4.5, and 1.4.6 is just one week old. So I can't understand his potition :-)
[17:07] <seb128> pochu: speaking about mono updates, somebody should updated beagle ;-)
[17:07] <pochu> seb128: slomo? :-P
[17:07] <ubotu> New bug: #176501 in ubuntu "1" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176501
[17:07] <ubotu> New bug: #176502 in ubuntu "1" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176502
[17:07] <ubotu> New bug: #176543 in ubuntu "Blank screen on switching text to graphics mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176543
[17:07] <pochu> seb128: I do look at tracker. Don't ask me to look at beagle too ;-)
[17:07] <ubotu> New bug: #176564 in synaptic (main) "programm-windows it is not possible to move" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176564
[17:07] <seb128> pochu: dunno, but once it's updated we can move it to universe since they splitted the lib ;-)
[17:08] <seb128> pochu: well, that's to move beagle to universe ;-)
[17:08] <pochu> Heh, then I may look at it :-)
[17:08] <seb128> see ;-)
[17:08] <seb128> I need to write bugs about the tracker applet
[17:08] <seb128> that's one of the ugliest things we have on the desktop
[17:08] <pochu> seb128: are you confortable with mono updates? slomo seems to be busy lately ;)
[17:08] <seb128> the tooltip has no information, it should say if the indexer is running or not
[17:08] <pochu> Hmm, right.
[17:09] <pochu> I talked to jamie about some things. He said he will review it for 0.7
[17:09] <seb128> the pause action should be in the left click menu, right click is not discoverable usually
[17:09] <seb128> the progress bar are at 100% most of the time and don't really make sense
[17:09] <pochu> seb128: file a meta bug with all your comments :-)
[17:10] <pochu> There are a couple of reports regarding the applet, but nothing you said was reported.
[17:10] <seb128> I'll file bugs about each issues I think
[17:10] <seb128> 0.7
[17:10] <seb128> is that hardy material?
[17:10] <pochu> That's fine too. As long as pedro_ doesn't forward them ;-)
[17:10]  * pochu waves at pedro_ :-)
[17:10] <pedro_> hahaha
[17:10] <pedro_> yeah yeah
[17:10] <pedro_> :-P
[17:11]  * seb128 hugs pedro_
[17:11]  * pedro_ hugs seb128 back
[17:11] <pedro_> the applet is annoying me too
[17:11] <seb128> pedro_: you rock on desktop bugs really ;-)
[17:11] <pochu> I need to report a bug against malone saying "needs to be discoverable that upstream tracks their bugs in LP" ;-)
[17:11] <pochu> Sure you do :)
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177923 in ubuntu "some monospace fonts are not monospace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177923
[17:11] <pedro_> seb128: i'm learning each day from the better desktop guy :-)
[17:12]  * pedro_ look at seb128
[17:12]  * seb128 hugs pedro_
[17:12] <pochu> seb128: 0.7 will implement Xesam. I don't know when it will be ready though... Maybe before Hardy, but probably before FeatureFreeze.
[17:12] <seb128> not?
[17:13] <seb128> hum
[17:13] <pochu> seb128: I think there's a 0.6.5 bugfix planned, though. So if you report the applet things... ;)
[17:13] <seb128> that's annoying
[17:13] <pochu> seb128: right, not before FF
[17:13] <seb128> I don't really care about xesam for hardy
[17:13] <seb128> but I want the applet fixed
[17:13] <seb128> excellent
[17:13] <pochu> That's what 0.6.5 is for :-)
[17:14] <pochu> I think I'll tag all of them as 'applet', so we have a nice url for them.
[17:14] <seb128> cool
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #177924 in apparmor (main) "[Hardy Desktop amd64 Alpha 1] Invalid module format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177924
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177925 in meta-j2re1.4-mozilla (multiverse) "j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin wrong symlink" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177925
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #177926 in ltsp (main) "lts-parameters gives wrong x config file variable name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177926
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177927 in tracker (main) "the tray tooltip should describe what tracker is doing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177927
[17:35] <ubotu> New bug: #177928 in totem (main) "movies are scrambled and cannot view" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177928
[17:50] <pochu> seb128: this is the current list: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker/+bugs?field.tag=applet
[17:51] <pochu> I need to check the Confirmed one, as Michael Biebl said it works for him in Debian.
[17:55] <seb128> pochu: might be a window manager thing, like using compiz makes a difference
[17:55] <pochu> I have metacity. Will ask mbiebl about it, thanks for the tip.
[17:55] <pochu> Or, I'll try compiz first
[17:56] <pochu> btw, I want the metacity composite! ;-)
[17:57] <seb128> pochu: mvo sponsored the new version
[17:57] <ubotu> New bug: #177929 in file-roller "We needs file encoding select function." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177929
[17:58] <pochu> Yeah, I need to enable it now, as it seems to be disabled by default, right?
[17:58] <seb128> correct
[17:58]  * pochu wonders why ;-)
[17:58] <seb128> ask upstream
[17:58] <pochu> Hardware?
[17:58] <pochu> Oh, that's from upstream? Ok.
[17:58] <seb128> right
[17:59] <seb128> and it's better to let the default stable
[17:59] <pochu> Sounds reasonable :)
[18:08] <ubotu> New bug: #177932 in software-properties (main) "software-properties-kde fails to enable/disable repositories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177932
[18:13] <ubotu> New bug: #177933 in ubuntu "Rockchip USB MP3 player disconnects immediately" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177933
[18:14] <Fud-> is there a howto on how to get ati drivers work with dual head and an optical mouse...the ps/2 mouse works fine just not the usb one
[18:15] <Fud-> the dual heads work but the second monitor keeps flashing an error over the screen,desktop saying input error or something like that
[18:16] <Fud-> plus ATI doesn't seem to support making two screens as one
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177934 in command-not-found (main) "command-not-found crashes in recovery mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177934
[18:25] <ubotu> New bug: #177938 in gnome-keyring (main) "[hardy] gnome-keyring doesn't unlock ssh keys" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177938
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177944 in firefox (main) "M3U and PLS webradios are handled differently" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177944
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177945 in ubuntu "mono based apps crash consistently" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177945
[19:04] <pochu> !backports
[19:04] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[19:07] <ubotu> New bug: #177946 in ubuntu "Window "snap" w/Nvidia gets into a "bouncing" state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177946
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177948 in openoffice.org (main) "Kubuntu OOo italics does does not disable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177948
[19:15] <ubotu> New bug: #176698 in thunderbird (main) "PGP with Thunderbird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176698
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177951 in ubuntu "installation failure (grub)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177951
[19:21] <pochu> lol: Wen i try to get PGP i get one error.
[19:21] <pochu> But what error? :)
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #177953 in ubuntu "Tracker only creates categories no detailed information pane." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177953
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #176928 in gnome-panel (main) "mon ordinateur s'arret en cour d'utilisation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176928
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #176971 in bind9 (main) "dns caches posioned" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176971
[19:47] <ubotu> New bug: #177885 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 131679)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177885
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #177266 in ekiga (main) "Registration fails and I do not know why" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177266
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #177567 in hal-cups-utils (main) "hal_lpadmin crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177567
[19:48] <ubotu> New bug: #177758 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed during installing system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177758
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177959 in bsdmainutils (main) "cal(1) has wrong default for start of week" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177959
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #176454 in seahorse (universe) "seahorse plugin in evolution decrypts files in .evolution and leaves them there!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176454
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177957 in language-pack-kde-ku-base (main) "Kurdish KDE translations are not pulled  from KDE SVN" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177957
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177960 in ubuntu "soundcard makes noize on ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177960
[19:56] <ubotu> New bug: #176705 in evolution (main) "launch wine applications with links in html mail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176705
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177961 in epiphany-extensions (main) "not good favicon for epiphany" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177961
[20:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177962 in pidgin (main) "Russian group names show both in right encoding and corrupted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177962
[20:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177963 in linux-source-2.6.22 "acpi reports battery 78% charged when battery fully charged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177963
[20:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177965 in rhythmbox (main) "Multiple Song Properties update problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177965
[21:38] <ubotu> New bug: #177967 in pidgin (main) "New version: Pidgin 2.3.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177967
[21:38] <ubotu> New bug: #177969 in sound-juicer (main) "Sound Juicer will only play one ogg file, then freeze" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177969
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #177970 in ubuntu "drag a file or folder -> white box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177970
[21:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177971 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Firefox makes a bucle installation with flash player" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177971
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177972 in gpsd (universe) "package gpsd None failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177972
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177973 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install crashed with error in __init__()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177973
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177979 in cupsys (main) "CUPS error: broken pipe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177979
[22:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177981 in thunderbird (main) "thunderbird 2 opens message extreeeemly slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177981
[22:28] <ubotu> New bug: #177968 in totem (main) "Totem Movie Player won't play ogg file or DVD movie" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177968
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177984 in beagle (main) "package mozilla-beagle 0.2.18-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177984
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177985 in f-spot (main) "Cannot rotate Nikon Raw files (.nef) in f-spot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177985
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177986 in ubuntu "please sync package whitedune from debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177986
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #177987 in pexpect (main) "package python-pexpect None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-pexpect.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177987
[22:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177989 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox should allow default playlist setting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177989
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177993 in vtk (universe) "package libvtk5-dev None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvtk5-dev.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177993
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177994 in beagle (main) "package beagle 0.2.18-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177994
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177996 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "package sun-java5-jre 1.5.0-13-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177996
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177997 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "package sun-java6-jdk 6-03-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177997
[22:55] <ubotu> New bug: #178002 in unzip (main) "Unzip of big files tells that CRC failed with unzip 5.52" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178002
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177998 in vtk (universe) "package vtk-tcl None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/vtk-tcl.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177998
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #178000 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "package sun-java5-jdk 1.5.0-13-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178000
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #178006 in tracker (main) "Tracker Search Tool doesn't list founded files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178006
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #178007 in kdebase (main) "in kubuntu, filenames with UTF-8 accessed from konqueror over ssh (fish) are wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178007
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #178009 in imagemagick (main) "package imagemagick 7:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg1-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178009
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #178010 in nautilus (main) "I am noto so fluent in english" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178010
[23:22] <Pici> sigh
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #178011 in ifrit (universe) "package ifrit None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ifrit.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178011
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #178012 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "package sun-java6-bin 6-03-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178012
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #178014 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "package sun-java5-bin 1.5.0-13-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178014
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #178015 in linux-meta (main) "Kernel upgrade changes root= boot parameter to non-existing UUID" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178015
[23:40] <ubotu> New bug: #178020 in ubuntu "Tracker Status command returns "undefined symbol: tracker_get_status"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178020
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #178016 in jargoninformatique (universe) "package jargoninformatique-data None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/jargoninformatique-data.list] failed to install/upgrade: subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178016
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #178017 in vtk (universe) "package libvtk5 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libvtk5.list] failed to install/upgrade: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178017
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #178018 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12 "can not enable nvidia driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178018
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177988 in ubuntu "Please help me install ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177988
[23:55] <ubotu> New bug: #178021 in ubuntu "_usr_bin_gnome-app-install.0.crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178021


[02:30] <fisch246> compiling drivers is never fun -__-
[03:49] <FloatingGoat> Halp me
[03:49] <FloatingGoat> Paul?
[03:49] <FloatingGoat> I'm installing debian 4 reals
[03:50] <FloatingGoat> I'm at the disk part, what's the best way to go if I don't want to lose my windows data
[04:01] <Takyoji> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/2011-day-against-drm-action-ideas
[05:20] <FloatingGoat> O.O
[07:13] <Takyoji> Are there honestly no more virtual terminals in Ubuntu anymore, or is it just a horrendously big bug affecting me?
[07:13] <Takyoji> Ctrl+Alt+F(#) and it's just a screen of: Ubuntu 11.04 (hostname) tty(#)
[07:13] <Takyoji> No login, command prompt, anything
[07:14] <Takyoji> I try typing anyway, and try typing commands, like top, and nothing
[07:14] <Takyoji> Actually I guess it's completely offset to the very bottom of the screen
[07:16] <Takyoji> that only the first line is seen, and nothing more
[22:14] <fisch246> republicans... stop calling me!
[22:39] <fisch246> i forgot how amazing the opening to "The Two Towers" was...


[07:06] <slave_blocker> hello
[07:06] <slave_blocker> i have a 250 gb ssd, on a desktop in my lan with a xeon e3 1270.
[07:07] <slave_blocker> i downloaded ubuntu server 22.04, flashed a usb stick with that iso.
[07:08] <slave_blocker> i boot from the usb stick on the machine start the install .
[07:08] <slave_blocker> It is giving me the error that it can't install the grub
[07:08] <slave_blocker> installing xubuntu desktop works
[07:09] <slave_blocker> please help
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> pastebin the errors you getting and share with this channel slave_blocker
[07:10] <slave_blocker> how?
[07:11] <slave_blocker> put the logs to another usb stick?
[07:11] <arraybolt3> slave_blocker: That would work.
[07:12] <slave_blocker> is that option available during the install?
[07:13] <slave_blocker> could it be that i activated "native hdd instead of ahci in the bios?
[07:14] <arraybolt3> slave_blocker: Hmm, actually I don't know exactly how that works. You might be able to drop to a terminal to extract the logs (try pressing Ctrl+Alt+F3).
[07:17] <slave_blocker>  could it be that i activated "native hdd instead of ahci in the bios?" and thats why it is not working?
[07:17] <arraybolt3> Like Intel RST?
[07:17] <arraybolt3> Yeah, Intel RST could cause problems.
[07:18] <slave_blocker> ?
[07:18] <slave_blocker> ok i will change it to ahci on the internal peripherals on the sata i dont know what
[07:19] <slave_blocker> ommmm
[07:28] <slave_blocker> so
[07:29] <slave_blocker> i deleted all partitions delete unmount bla bla
[07:29] <slave_blocker> i created / with 230 gigs and there is one /boot/efi that was required
[07:29] <slave_blocker> am i missing something?
[07:29] <slave_blocker> waiting
[07:30] <slave_blocker> changed native hdd to ahci
[07:32] <arraybolt3> /boot/efi is normal.
[07:33] <arraybolt3> You should have at least /boot/efi, /, and maybe some others, but at least those two.
[07:33] <slave_blocker> great
[07:33] <slave_blocker> thanks for the reply
[07:34] <slave_blocker> so
[07:34] <slave_blocker> the install failed again
[07:35] <slave_blocker> i dropped to a terminal
[07:35] <arraybolt3> What is the exact error message?
[07:35] <slave_blocker> where is the log so i can copy it
[07:35] <arraybolt3> Try "ls /var/log" and that might show you those things.
[07:35] <arraybolt3> /var/log/syslog might have interesting info.
[07:39] <slave_blocker> syslog has lots of stuff in it
[07:44] <slave_blocker> https://pastebin.com/7q0Qx2k3
[07:44] <slave_blocker> i saw windowse there somewhere
[07:44] <slave_blocker> kill hates was spotted
[07:44] <slave_blocker> only saying
[07:45] <arraybolt3> Eh, that looks like the problem, but the meaning of the error is beyond me. Hopefully someone here will be able to decipher it.
[07:46] <slave_blocker> there is not one drop of windowse on that ssd
[07:46] <slave_blocker> i ran dd if /dev/zero on the entire thing
[07:47] <slave_blocker> just another question
[07:47] <slave_blocker> do nvme's run directly on pci x4?
[07:47] <arraybolt3> Windows Boot Manager is something in the firmware, if I'm understanding correctly. It shouldn't affect your ability to run Ubuntu.
[07:48] <arraybolt3> I don't know for a certainty if NVMe's run directly on PCIe x4 or not, but I *think* so.
[07:48] <slave_blocker> well i installed xubuntu desktop on it
[07:48] <slave_blocker> all good
[07:48] <slave_blocker> i have no idea what im doing in the partition manager
[07:48] <slave_blocker> boot efis and stuff
[07:49] <slave_blocker> im a noob in partitions
[07:49] <arraybolt3> /boot/efi is where your bootloader will install to, / is where the rest of the system goes.
[07:49] <slave_blocker> when it gets to that he is making 100 gb
[07:49] <slave_blocker> on one partition
[07:49] <slave_blocker> dont know why
[07:49] <arraybolt3> What are the settings you're installing Ubuntu Server with?
[07:50] <slave_blocker> i deleted that then
[07:50] <arraybolt3> And what version of Ubuntu Server is this?
[07:50] <slave_blocker> ubuntu-22.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso
[07:51] <slave_blocker> minimal install
[07:51] <slave_blocker> only ssh server selected
[07:52] <slave_blocker> and i let the lvm thing selected
[07:52] <slave_blocker> now its halting at grub install
[07:52] <slave_blocker> as a side note my bios seems sort of funky
[07:53] <slave_blocker> sometimes it does not recognize the hard drives
[07:53] <arraybolt3> Hmm, that might be the problem, perhaps your firmware is being problematic.
[07:53] <arraybolt3> Try installing without LVM and see how that works, maybe? Xubuntu doesn't use LVM as far as I know.
[07:53] <slave_blocker> ok
[07:54] <slave_blocker> the only problem for me is that the fucking fan of the graphics card is too loud for a sunday
[07:54] <slave_blocker> but hey
[07:54] <slave_blocker> lets ommmm
[07:54] <slave_blocker> it away
[08:00] <slave_blocker> im going out to the recycling point its installing again
[08:00] <slave_blocker> brb
[08:27] <slave_blocker> it failed agian
[08:27] <slave_blocker> i have the install log from the crash
[08:28] <ravage> slave_blocker, please watch your language. thanks
[08:29] <slave_blocker> oh ok
[08:29] <slave_blocker> sorry
[08:30] <slave_blocker> is there a pastebin that accepts huge amounts of data
[08:30] <slave_blocker> ?
[08:39] <slave_blocker> here is the error of my install
[08:39] <slave_blocker> https://pastebin.com/jPedYx96
[08:39] <slave_blocker> please help
[08:39] <slave_blocker> thanks
[09:29] <arraybolt3> slave_blocker: That doesn't look right, that looks like some early initialization data. Maybe you only pasted part of the file?
[09:30] <slave_blocker> is there a pastebin that accepts huge amounts of data ?
[09:30] <arraybolt3> slave_blocker: Not that I'm aware of, can you pastebin a solid chunk from the end of the file?
[09:35] <slave_blocker> https://pastebin.com/V0Ue4mQ3