[00:38] <EleanorEllis> Does anyone know if the M-Audio Delta 1010 sound module is compatible with ALSA? It has 8 inputs and 8 outputs
[14:54] <L00P3X> GoodEvening #ubuntustudio
[15:24] <L00P3X> someone know a nice metronome whit nice sound for linux :\ no jack.. simple metronome
[18:27] <mbeierl> Hey good folks!  I've got a fairly new, clean installation of Ubuntu studio 16.04.2 (Xenial) and just tried MuseScore and the midi output for the first time.  For some reason the midi output sounds like it's being run through a distortion patch.  Extremely fuzzy.  Any hints?
[18:34] <mbeierl> Switched to jack output and it's fixed.  Probably just a pulseaudio thing
[23:34] <L00P4X> is there some way to have indipendent patterns on hydrogen? I mean.. i would make a 8 bar intro and work along whit 16 bar.. or simply use 2 different drumkits for pattern :\
[23:41] <L00P4X> will see tomorrow :\


[16:00] <robru> o/
[16:00] <pitti> \o
[16:00]  * slangasek waves
[16:00] <pitti> robru: right on time -- I *just* got your PPA britney branch working
[16:00] <sil2100> o/
[16:00] <robru> nice
[16:00] <caribou> \o
[16:01] <cyphermox> o/
[16:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov 17 16:02:41 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson)
[16:02] <slangasek> sil2100 robru xnox slangasek bdmurray barry tdaitx chiluk cyphermox mwhudson caribou infinity doko pitti
[16:03] <slangasek> aaaand go!
[16:03] <sil2100> uuuuh
[16:03] <xnox> hello
[16:03] <sil2100> Ok
[16:03] <pitti> /o\
[16:03] <robru> woohoo
[16:03] <sil2100> - Had a national holiday on Friday
[16:03] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[16:03] <sil2100> - Making the OTA-14 images buildable, installable and bootable
[16:03] <sil2100>   * Consensus: people don't bump version dependencies
[16:03] <sil2100>   * Cherry-picking and building single fixes fixes
[16:03] <sil2100>   * Investigating crashes on the images, working out missing dependencies
[16:03] <sil2100> - Working on ubuntu-image
[16:03] <sil2100> - Preparing the dbus workaround for SRU
[16:03] <sil2100> - Preparing test packages for a real-fix attempt of the dbus systemd-logind ssh issue
[16:03] <sil2100> - ubuntu-touch-session merge reviews
[16:03] <sil2100> - Looking into some sync-requests
[16:03] <sil2100> (done)
[16:03] <robru> (1/10) lp:bileto
[16:03] <robru> (2/10) * snap support: linkify recipes, scan builds for built snaps
[16:03] <robru> (3/10) * more ui tweaks
[16:03] <robru> (4/10) * drop old v1 api
[16:03] <robru> (5/10) * split qa_signoff field into two fields: one user-set and one bileto-controlled (fixes forcing "qa ready" on tickets without stupid hacky workarounds)
[16:03] <robru> (6/10) lp:britney
[16:03] <robru> (7/10) * finished source ppa grouping
[16:03] <robru> (8/10) lp:phablet-tools
[16:03] <robru> (9/10) * Fix zesty FTBFS
[16:03] <robru> (10/10) (done)
[16:04] <xnox> Resolved loading ibmca ecrypto engines with openssl. Bug #1605511
[16:04] <xnox> Prepared and uploaded SRUs for above
[16:04] <xnox> Downgraded libopkele to openssl1.0
[16:04] <xnox> Given how slow 1.1 transition is going, very glad to stick to 1.0
[16:04] <xnox> Finishing partman-swapfile module should hit NEW today/tomorrow
[16:04] <xnox> Attended mini Debconf UK in Cambridge, was fun, Japanese ARM did not sponsor sushi.
[16:04] <xnox> zua rebasing.
[16:04] <xnox> done.
[16:04] <xnox> (minidebconf was over the weekend sat/sun)
[16:05] <slangasek>  * high-priority SRU reviews: cloud-init, glibc
[16:05] <slangasek>  * kernel SRU processing
[16:05] <slangasek>  * discussions around subiquity for 17.04
[16:05] <slangasek>  * ubuntu-image support for devmode snaps (LP: #1641132)
[16:05] <slangasek>  * ubuntu-image discussion about mbr vs. gpt
[16:05] <slangasek>  * sorting out conference travel approvals for after the first of the year
[16:05] <slangasek> (done)
[16:05] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have daisy and apport updated in staging ET
[16:05] <bdmurray> verified daisy and apport updated in staging ET
[16:05] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have daisy and apport updated in production ET
[16:06] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have errors code updated in staging (show zesty)
[16:06] <bdmurray> merged my apport-retrace corefile change to trunk
[16:06] <bdmurray> SRU verification of unattended-upgrades for X and Y
[16:06] <bdmurray> backported / uploaded X, Y fix for update-notifier LP: #1640318
[16:06] <bdmurray> research into ubuntu-release-upgrader bug LP: #1640645
[16:06] <bdmurray> release upgrade bug triage
[16:06] <bdmurray> more Seville travel arrangements
[16:06] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:06] <barry> ubuntu-image: fix sbuilds; LP: #1631156 (ongoing); LP: #1640523; review sil2100 branches; LP: #1638926; LP: #1640215; LP: #1638660 (discussion); LP: #1642427
[16:06] <barry> debuntu: python-webencodings 0.5-1, claws-mail 3.14.1-1 & zesty failures (LP: #1640217); python-virtualenv 15.0.3+ds-3; LP: #1623856; debian bug #754248; reviews of pytest-expect & html5lib changes for detrout; html5lib  0.999999999-1; tox 2.5.0-1
[16:06] <barry> other: UOS; LP: #1641976; travel & conference arrangements
[16:07] <barry> --done--
[16:07] <sil2100> That's a lot of bugs!
[16:07]  * barry is the Bug Squashor
[16:08] <slangasek> tdaitx:
[16:09] <slangasek> chiluk: how about you?
[16:09] <slangasek> cyphermox: you win!
[16:09] <cyphermox> yay
[16:09] <cyphermox> - finished debugging JFS on ppc64el
[16:09] <cyphermox>  - apparently no such issues on amd64
[16:09] <cyphermox> - more SRU testing for the shim update
[16:09] <cyphermox> - sponsored tribaal's grub changes for initrd-less booting (LP: #1640878)
[16:09] <cyphermox> - hacking at prep-bootdev (a utility that finds what partition is a PReP partition) to properly handle some multipath cases. (LP: #1641567)
[16:09] <cyphermox>  - multipath is still a deep hole where everything is half-broken
[16:10] <cyphermox>  - prep-bootdev should be split out into its own package, since we carry two diverging copies (in grub2 and grub-installer)
[16:10] <cyphermox> - cat-herding for various in-flight SRUs
[16:10] <cyphermox> - subiquity discussions
[16:10] <chiluk> sorry slangasek... pre-occupied / sprinting
[16:10] <cyphermox> - revised and automated publishing the armhf+raspi2 preinstalled image w/ slangasek.
[16:10] <cyphermox> - fixing open-iscsi tests so it eventually transitions...
[16:10] <cyphermox> ^D
[16:10] <caribou> Bank holiday on friday & sprinting this week, so  nothing to report
[16:10] <caribou> (done)
[16:11] <chiluk> slangasek check back in december.
[16:11] <doko> barry: python-webencodings needs a MIR
[16:11] <chiluk> november is dead to me.
[16:11] <barry> doko: ack
[16:11] <slangasek> chiluk: ok :)
[16:12] <bdmurray> chiluk: but thanksgiving!
[16:12] <cyphermox> bdmurray: thanksgiving was in october!
[16:12] <slangasek> doko:
[16:13] <doko> - gcc-6 and gcc-7 updates
[16:13] <doko> - catch up on the cross toolchain, preparing new uploads
[16:13] <doko> - binutils updates, fixed regression on ARM32
[16:13] <doko> - openjdk-7 PPA builds, openjdk-9 update
[16:13] <doko> - merges, MIRs, NEW processing, ...
[16:13] <doko> - mono transition finished, after fixing ftbfs with the Debian maintainer
[16:13] <doko> - gdb update for POWER9
[16:13] <doko> - bash update to fix reported regression
[16:13] <doko> - intending to start a first test rebuild next week
[16:13] <doko> (done)
[16:13] <xnox> I got beans, greens, potatoes.... ?!
[16:13] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[16:13] <pitti> - Allow specifying testname for github requests (#1641831)
[16:13] <pitti> - Fix PPA addition setup command failure with bash 4.4
[16:13] <pitti> - Fix patch application with unbuilt trees (Debian #844454)
[16:13] <pitti> - Fix ssh runner failure with bash 4.4
[16:13] <pitti> - britney: review https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+merge/307995 and investigate race condition (ongoing)
[16:13] <pitti> systemd:
[16:13] <pitti> - Clean up duplicate ctrl-alt-del.target symlink (Debian #844039)
[16:13] <pitti> - Improve disabling of persistent interface names to avoid breaking driver matching
[16:13] <pitti> - Investigate running networkd early for cloud-init (#1636912)
[16:13] <pitti> - Make seccomp tests stricter, now that we have it available on all architectures; provide libseccomp xenial backport to fix upstream CI
[16:13] <pitti> netplan: Investigate moving an "up" interface into a bridge (needed by MaaS); this uncovered https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/4674 which I'm investigating
[16:13] <pitti> distro:
[16:14] <pitti> - libseccomp: Fix too lax dependencies (Debian #844496)
[16:14] <pitti> - lightdm: Fix lingering greeter session components (#1637758), waiting for Robert to review
[16:14] <pitti> - merges: gnutls28, util-linux
[16:14] <pitti> - Backport "indefinite number of loop devices" support to trusty for snappy (#1640823)
[16:14] <pitti> - Investigate linux 4.9/i386 boot failure (#1642192)
[16:14] <pitti> misc:
[16:14] <pitti> - Prepare and hold UOS netplan talk/session
[16:14] <pitti> - Teach seb128 about language pack code and operation, to bump bus factor to > 1
[16:14] <pitti> (EOF)
[16:14] <chiluk> bdmurray that's precisely why I'm awol for the rest of november.. then another sprint the week after thanksgiving
[16:14]  * sil2100 knows langpack-o-matic too
[16:15] <pitti> sil2100: indeed -- so > 2 then even! :-)
[16:15] <sil2100> But not the language-pack parts, just the l-o-m mechanics
[16:15] <sil2100> So I guess still > 1 ;p
[16:16] <slangasek> tdaitx: here?
[16:17] <slangasek> ok, any questions on status?
[16:18] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Sprint agenda
[16:18] <slangasek> google doc, please add your topics here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kb3TJRLP8ItOE08JvtK9PQhauTX_DIVLCPgYRz2Oz7I/edit
[16:20] <slangasek> and I see that people are, excellent ;)
[16:20] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:20] <slangasek> any other business today?
[16:20] <cyphermox> caribou: will you be at Seville?
[16:20] <sil2100> pitti: I'll poke you to learn about the langpack internals too in some time maybe, since because I know the l-o-m parts maybe it would be a bit less knowledge for me to learn now
[16:20] <barry> short week next week w/usa thanksgiving
[16:20] <caribou> cyphermox: not planned
[16:20] <cyphermox> caribou: ack
[16:21] <slangasek> sadly no; this sprint was a bit rough in its organization, not many "guest" attendees
[16:21] <caribou> cyphermox: didn't know if it was the Foundation, security & kernel sprint
[16:21] <pitti> sil2100: sure! maybe we can set aside some time in Seville for that?
[16:21] <cyphermox> caribou: it's fine, I was curious so we could discuss multipath, but it's not a big deal
[16:21] <bdmurray> Do we have any plans / date for a 16.04.2 release?
[16:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: infinity didn't answer you on that?  I'll get that pinned down this week then
[16:22] <tdaitx> slangasek, here
[16:22] <tdaitx> sorry for being late
[16:22] <caribou> slangasek: it's the CDO core sprint, right ? same thing as the Foundation, security & kernel one ?
[16:22] <slangasek> tdaitx: hi, give us a quick status?
[16:22] <tdaitx> sure
[16:23] <tdaitx> = OpenJDK Updates
[16:23] <tdaitx> * OpenJDK 7 regression confirmed, some applets stopped working (Debian #843784)
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Packaged new IcedTea 2.6.8 released and confirmed it is not affected by the regression
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Investigate what caused it exactly, bisecting the set of patches pointed me to S8155973
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Now comparing my backport to IcedTea's to see what went wrong (ongoing)
[16:23] <tdaitx> * Doko also packaged IcedTea 2.6.8 and released it for Debian (7u121-2.6.8-1)
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Dropped my package and backported doko's package to Trusty and Precise
[16:23] <tdaitx> * Finished uscan/repack work for OpenJDK 7 during the weekend
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - provided patches to fully enable MUT and avoid repackaging the icedtea tarball (LP: #1642420)
[16:23] <slangasek> caribou: CDO core sprint is similar in structure but different set of teams attending
[16:23] <tdaitx> * OpenJDK 8 test failures are due to misconfigured tests
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Tests that don't support the agentvm mode must indicate that
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Adding othervm flag fixed them
[16:23] <xnox> caribou, apart from without security & kernel =) and with CPC and more cloudy folks =)
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Need to open issue upstream (ongoing)
[16:23] <tdaitx> * Tested Hotspot 24 (from OpenJDK 7) on OpenJDK 6 during the weekend
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Requires quite a few changes, but works
[16:23] <tdaitx>   - Rebuild quite a few OpenJDK 6 dependent packages on Precise to confirm it works; pylucene on powerpc (ie. using zero) was the single failure I got (complains about stack size)
[16:23] <tdaitx> * Back working on OpenJDK 6 security backport now that regressions are dealt with (ongoing)
[16:23] <tdaitx> :wq
[16:23] <cyphermox> speaking of a date for 16.04.2, we still don't have a ReleaseSchedule page for Zesty.
[16:23] <caribou> xnox: that's what I thought, hence why I didn't pay too much attention to it
[16:23] <bdmurray> cyphermox: I think we do
[16:24] <cyphermox> I wrote up a quick DraftReleaseSchedule (because I was asked about general schedule) but it's not clear to me that all the dates are correct.
[16:24] <xnox> slangasek, is there more 16.04.2 planning to discuss at the sprint: w.r.t. hwe stacks
[16:24] <slangasek> tdaitx: the failing openjdk 8 tests were jtreg tests?
[16:24] <cyphermox> bdmurray: ah?
[16:24] <bdmurray> cyphermox: yeah, its called DraftReleaseSchedule. ;-)
[16:24] <slangasek> xnox: I wouldn't have thought so, but what do you have in mind?
[16:24] <cyphermox> woops.
[16:24] <bdmurray> cyphermox: I didn't realize you'd done that.
[16:24] <cyphermox> bdmurray: then maybe we can just look at that and make sure that's not Draft anymore.
[16:24] <tdaitx> slangasek, yes, same as we talked over our last meeting, tests that used to pass but then failed when I changed the way we ran jtreg
[16:25] <slangasek> bdmurray, cyphermox: yes, we'll get 16.04.2 and zesty both sorted
[16:25] <slangasek> tdaitx: ok
[16:25] <cyphermox> cool.
[16:26] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:27] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Nov 17 16:27:18 2016 UTC.
[16:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-11-17-16.02.moin.txt
[16:27] <barry> thanks!
[16:27] <caribou> thanks!
[16:27] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[16:27] <tdaitx> thanks!
[16:28] <pitti> thanks all!
[16:28]  * genii sweeps and mops the meeting hall, straightens out all the chairs and cleans the coffee machine
[16:31] <sil2100> o/
[16:37] <pitti> genii: what, no candy refill?
[16:38]  * genii puts jellybeans in the snack dishes
[16:39] <pitti> \o/
[16:39] <pitti> genii: ♥
[16:39] <genii> Hehe


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[06:04] <Mirv> morning, another day of transition mysteries to solve
[06:04] <Mirv> right now the next wait is for getting archive admin to promote some more packages to main from universe
[08:12] <acheronuk> Mirv: if I can do anything useful on that, I doubt I can get to it util this evening.
[08:14] <Mirv> acheronuk: it seems unfortunately not, unity8 landing added two new universe dependencies which conflict with main <-> universe boundary. I've pinged the people who could act.
[08:15] <Mirv> well of course there could be something else too but that's again what's easily seen on the excuses page
[08:16] <acheronuk> urgh. new uploads? I saw a load on the mailing list yesterday, inc unity 8, and thought "why now???"
[08:44] <Mirv> acheronuk: it seems it's actually one demotion away bug #1656104. yeah and I would have preferred waiting too.
[08:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[08:56] <acheronuk> yofel: as we don't do 'stable' branches at the moment, would it be worth tagging unstable somehow now as KDE have just branched Plasma 5.9 from master?
[08:57] <yofel> if it helps you, feel free to do so. In the past this *was* the point to merge unstable into _archive, with the known downsides
[08:59] <acheronuk> yofel: I may do later then, after perhaps a bit of thought. Though now I think of it, as long as we are bot too long in doing 5.9, the master changes vs changes between beta and release for 5.9 may just be a choice of 2 fairly equivalent evils
[08:59] <acheronuk> *not too long
[09:00]  * acheronuk seeks more caffeine
[10:34] <alleehol> clivejo: digikam-doc depends on khelpcenter4 (is transitional), should depend on khelpcenter instead
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Morning folks
[12:29] <soee> Qt 5.8 Hoping To Release Next Week
[12:29] <soee> Zesty will jump to it ?
[12:43] <yofel> no
[12:58] <clivejo> alleehol: whats that from my PPA?
[12:58] <clivejo> was that
[13:21] <alleehol> clivejo: yes.  digikam-doc 5.4
[13:21] <clivejo> are you on the debian team
[13:21] <clivejo> I see you mentioned in the copyright
[13:22] <alleehol> clivejo: I was once apon a time.  Usual thing: lack of free time.   No idea if the removed my commit rights to kde-extras on alioth
[13:23] <alleehol> s/the/they/
[13:23] <clivejo> they need to learn how to use wrap-and-sort :P
[13:24] <alleehol> give them the right tool as a late christmas present :-)
 anybody here?
 I need a git repo for Kubuntu Podcast
 where can I make it?
 git repo for?
 The feeds
 and the generator
 and the feed source
 github
 I'd make it in phabricator
 , but since we don't have it yet
 I'd make it in Launchpad
[16:31] <genii> apparently github is currently down
 github is proprietary
 I'd preffer to avoid it
 I still have some stuff there, for lack of a better place
 But github works
[16:34] <soee> use own gitlab instance :)
[16:36] <acheronuk> Mirv: I'm doing a rebuild of KDE apps 16.12 against landed Qt 5.7.1 in proposed, and I think may have more gold linker related probs on some other archs
[16:36] <acheronuk> e.g. ppc64el https://launchpadlibrarian.net/302354472/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-ppc64el.libkf5kipi_16.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu17.04~ppa10_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:37] <acheronuk> I'll let it all shake down and file a bug if so
 I'm very tempted to roll my own gitlab instance
 but then it will be very difficult to make my code public
[16:49] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: I guess you would need a new team to host that on LP. even then, not sure if it can do what you want
 meh....
 I'm having a party in BBB in Room 1. If anyone cares to join me 😃
[16:55] <tsdgeos> ovidiuflorin: launchpad?
[16:56] <tsdgeos> why isn't that the obvious choice for a kubuntu related repo?
 because managing permissions is a pain
 and the set-up....
 ugh.....
[17:08] <IrcsomeBot1> * ovidiuflorin is eating nuttella pankakes and listening to AC/DC
[18:48] <sintre> i upgraded yesterday and  get this notification afterbooted that it can't download some font data pack
[18:48] <sintre> not available , can't copy and paste msg unfurtately
[18:49] <pedahzur> sintre: I'm getting that too. When I run the process it errors out with a message about not being able to change user or some such. I accidentally canceled it just now, and don't have the bulb back in my task bar yet.
[18:50] <sintre> i try to "redoanload" and again fails
[18:50] <sintre> although it only happens on restart
[18:50] <sintre> then will be quiet until next restart , which happens like 3 times a day
[18:51] <clivejo> upgraded what and to what?
[18:51] <sintre> 160.04
[18:51] <sintre> 1604 using back ports
[18:51] <sintre> normal update then full-upgrade
[18:52] <clivejo> can you be clearer on the message?
[18:52] <pedahzur> clivejo: It was when I upgraded to KDE 5.28.0
[18:52] <pedahzur> clivejo: How would I get that lightbulb back in my task bar so I can re-try this? :)
[18:53] <clivejo> was it font pack or language pack?
[18:53] <sintre> something about fonts
[18:53] <sintre> ms something
[18:54] <sintre> get a lil explaimation mark with a system notification in tool bar
[18:54] <sintre> saying couldn't download data package
[18:54] <momken> Hello
[18:54] <sintre> and to try again , i try again it fails
[18:54] <sintre> only other option is to close
[18:54] <sintre> , then on next reboot same msg keeps poping up
[18:55] <clivejo> I cant see any part of KDE wanted msfonts
[18:55] <pedahzur> sintre: How do you try again?
[18:55] <sintre> ?
[18:55] <sintre> well it want some data package with fonts
[18:55] <momken> I just wanted to request that the maintainers of kubuntu-backports update the package "packagekit" to the latest version (the code on its github page after september 2016)
[18:56] <sintre> clivejo> me either but it was some data package it couldn't download in the update i did yesterday
[18:56] <sintre> and now won't stop whining about it
[18:56] <momken> It newer code contains a bug-fix which makes "pkcon install package-name" to also install the recommened pages of "package-name"
[18:56] <sintre> i'm doing something witha file transfer
[18:57] <sintre> in about 10 i'll reboot and take a screen shot to get exactly what its asking for
[18:57] <momken> It is not a bug of KDE neither PackageKit is part of kde, but it would be very great if it become updated
[18:59] <clivejo> anything to do with ttf-mscorefonts-installer ?
[18:59] <sintre> that sounds right
[18:59] <sintre> something ms and font in it
[18:59] <clivejo> I think thats an apt problem
[18:59] <clivejo> not getting correct permissions for some directory
[19:00] <clivejo> I had it complaining about flash
[19:00] <clivejo> but Im on zesty now and havent seen that issue in a while
[19:01] <momken> sintre: Does it want to do post-processings of package "ttf-mscorefonts-installer"?
[19:01] <sintre> something like that , complaing it can't download or install it
[19:01] <sintre> or smething related
[19:01] <sintre> i'll reboot here after transfer is done and get exactly what its whining about
[19:02] <momken> Both this package and the package of flash installer try to run a post-processing script which try to download some properietary blobs from internet
[19:02] <sintre> yea and if not available , it whines lol
[19:03] <clivejo> lp 1593611
[19:03] <clivejo> Can't drop privileges for downloading as file
[19:03] <clivejo> LP 1543280
[19:04] <sintre> k i'll brb in about 5-10
[19:04] <clivejo> ^^ thats the one for ms fonts
[19:04] <momken> There may be 2 reasons for that problem: 1- The file it tries to download is not hosted (by Micorsoft or Adobe) anymore. 2- There a problem with apt itself to download the file (maybe permissions, I don't know)
[19:05] <clivejo> if memory serves I think I fixed mine by doing this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/1543280/comments/19
[19:06] <clivejo> but that is an upstream Ubuntu bug to be honest, nothing we can fix in Kubuntu
[19:07] <momken> clivejo: What about updating "packagekit"?
[19:07] <clivejo> momken: Im not aware of any problems with it?
[19:08] <momken> clivejo: Could you please update it to a newer version than 1.1.1 (newer than sept 2016
[19:08] <clivejo> whats in zesty?
[19:08] <momken> clivejo: No I mean for 16.04 LTS
[19:09] <momken> I can't request it to be updated in old repos of 16.04
[19:09] <momken> clivejo: This bug has been fixed: https://github.com/hughsie/PackageKit/issues/145
[19:09] <clivejo> zesty has 1.1.4, yakkety has 1.1.1 and Xenial has 0.8.17
[19:10] <momken> clivejo: Yead the version in zesty is new enough, but what should I do in Xenial?
[19:10] <clivejo> acheronuk uploaded 1.1.1 to Xenial Backports
[19:10] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=packagekit&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[19:10] <sintre> yep says fsilure to download extra data files
[19:11] <clivejo> so you want 1.1.4 backported to XX and YY?
[19:11] <sintre> ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[19:11] <momken> I don't want to use a non-LTS ubuntu and currently there is also no PPA only for packagekit for Xenial
[19:12] <momken> clivejo: Yeah. 1.1.4 should be enough for me
[19:12] <clivejo> it would be via our backports PPA
[19:12] <acheronuk> I used the minimum safe version there was at the time that worked on each. if better versions test ok in landing, then yes
[19:12] <momken> I only need packagekit and no more packages now. But the bug-fix in 1.1.4 is very important
[19:12] <sintre> is there a site you cna upload images to fast like pastebin with text?
[19:13] <acheronuk> sintre is this the mscore fonts?
[19:13] <sintre> yeds
[19:13] <momken> acheronuk: Hmmm. thanks
[19:13] <sintre> yes
[19:13] <acheronuk> in that case the ubuntu package is broken
[19:14] <momken> clivejo: So packagekit 1.1.4 will be in kubuntu-backports ppa in the future?
[19:14] <momken> sintre: The temporary solution I use is to manually downloading the blob, find the cache folder it was supposed to be downloaded to and then copy manually-downloaded file to that place, and finally trying to reinstall the package again :)
[19:14] <clivejo> well seeing its in zesty, we'll look into getting it backported.  But it depends on dependancies
[19:15] <sintre> momken> i'm not annoyed enough Yet to go that far
[19:16] <sintre> , but something is broken , need to slap someone around with a trout to make em fix it :)
[19:16] <momken> momken: Ok then :))
[19:17] <sintre> and i need to probally start to learn , more so I can fix this stuff :)
[19:17] <clivejo> momken: added a job on trello
[19:17] <clivejo> https://trello.com/c/vIxsseCT
[19:18] <clivejo> no promises, just depends on if someonde has time to look at it and there arent too many problems in actually backporting it
[19:19] <clivejo> sintre: I think your problem is this LP 1543280
[19:20] <momken> clivejo: packagekit and its CLI frontend is written with Gtk libraries (libglib2 and gobject). So I guess one should also update Gtk+ based libs too
[19:20] <sintre> well seems somebody is working on it
[19:20] <acheronuk> sintre: there is a bug to merge the debian version to fix your issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1656102
[19:20] <momken> It also uses libsqlite3 and libc6
[19:21] <clivejo> momken: if it requires too much work it might not happen
[19:21] <sintre> well confirmed buy un assinged
[19:21] <sintre> but
[19:21] <sintre> atleast we know what it is
[19:21] <clivejo> we are a small team and currently working on zesty (17.04)
[19:23] <momken> clivejo: Hmmm. You are right. Why should they write a framework and its CLI frontend with Gtk? It doesn't seem reasonable.
[19:25] <momken> clivejo: Anyway if it they can only update the specific package "packagekit-backend-aptcc" it is enough too, because the bug is solved in APTcc plugin
[19:27] <pedahzur> Yeah, so I do see I'm getting a 404 when running "sudo apt-get install --reinstall ttf-mscorefonts-installer" but then it says: "W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/var/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloads/partial/andale32.exe' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)" which is a very weird error.
[19:27] <sintre> the mystery deepens
[19:28] <pedahzur> Hmm...Now I'm not getting a 404...it's working, but it's still throwing that "can't drop privs" error.  Since when could a program running as root *not* drop privs? :)
[19:30] <momken> clivejo: The "packagekit-backend-aptcc" also depends on "libglib2.0" but I guess it could be compiled with a little older versions of "libglib2.0". But anyway thanks for considering this bug.
[19:30] <pedahzur> And next run I get 404s again. Whuh?
[19:30] <sintre> lol
[19:30] <momken> I really don't expect to put a lot of effort on it. Only solve it if it was easy. Thank you very much
[19:30] <sintre> ok not funny , but interesting egg to crack
[19:33] <momken> sintre: I strongly recommend you to follow the download links for fonts "Andale, Arial Black, ..." when the post-script tries to download them
[19:33] <momken> I guess the problem should be of MS servers themselve and they may have removed those files or changed their address
[19:34] <pedahzur> But it's sourceforge... :)
[19:34] <momken> I have same issues with wine-tricks, when it tries to download some dlls?
[19:34] <momken> pedahzur: Really? hmmm
[19:40] <momken> Ok, I will go. Thank you for supporting us :D
[19:43] <pedahzur> Sorry, system froze.
[19:43] <pedahzur> momken: Yes, it's sourceforge: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/corefonts/arial32.exe
[19:43] <pedahzur> (and others)
[19:46] <sintre> momken
[19:46] <sintre> Ok, I will go. Thank you for supporting us :D
[19:46] <sintre> he had to run
[19:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[19:56] <acheronuk> Qt 5.7.1 still well and truly wedged fast in -proposed
 What's sticking it now?
 *grabs big crow bar*
[20:23] <acheronuk> I think http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#unity8
[20:24] <acheronuk> but probably more as well
[20:30] <acheronuk> oh, and even hacked in my ppa to avoid the hanging tests, gpgme still fails now on arm64 and armhf
[20:30] <acheronuk> so that is not great either
[21:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[21:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_akonadi-contacts build #93: FIXED in 25 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akonadi-contacts/93/
[22:30] <acheronuk> stuff KDE PIM. I vote we just do the rest of the KDE applications anyway :P
[22:32] <clivejo> I been of that option for a week or so now :P
[22:32] <clivejo> opinion
[22:32] <sintre> what sthe terminal command to bring up the software and settings update gui
[22:32] <sintre> sry trying to walk a guy thru install
[22:33] <clivejo> did you stage 16.12.1?
[22:35] <acheronuk> clivejo: not yet, as the other day the KDE team were busy re-spinning a few pre-release tarballs.
[22:36] <clivejo> this is very true
[22:37] <valorie> amen to that -- we should have new applications for the beta if possible
[22:37] <valorie> if we can get PIM done later, fine
[22:38]  * clivejo thinks PIM is going to be a problem
[22:39] <clivejo> with the new packages, webengine and all the faff to get it through proposed
[22:40] <acheronuk> webengine only builds on amd64, i386 and armhf I think
[22:40] <acheronuk> gpgme is just a **bleep**
[22:41] <acheronuk> but will build on amd64 and i386 if you hack the tests a bit with a machete
[22:42] <acheronuk> I'm trying PIM in a ppa of mine with hacked gpgme, but even that is not great
[22:43] <clivejo> has backports-landing still got FW and Plasma in there?
[22:44] <acheronuk> probably
[22:45] <acheronuk> clivejo: oh, 16.12.1 was out yesterdays. can stage that tomorrow maybe then
[22:45] <acheronuk> should be fairly straight forward I hope
[22:59] <acheronuk> valorie: beta = 23rd Feb?
[22:59] <acheronuk> after feature freeze on 16th?
[23:00] <acheronuk> if we don't have the non-PIM part of apps in by then, I shall be throwing everything linux in a skip!
[23:00] <valorie> January 26th
[23:00] <valorie> Alpha 2 (for opt-in flavors)
[23:01] <acheronuk> hmmmm. 13 days away. maybe
[23:01] <valorie> oops, I miss-spoke
[23:01] <valorie> I remember wxl proposing we try for alpha 2 to get more testing
[23:02] <valorie> for Apps that seems wise, no?
[23:02] <valorie> if doable, as you say
[23:02] <acheronuk> probably can get apps upload by then, but out of -proposed?
[23:02] <acheronuk> that is the trick!
[23:03] <valorie> yeah
[23:03] <valorie> Mirv is using his sharp stick quite effectively it seems
[23:03] <valorie> should help, right?
[23:04]  * acheronuk has been wielding pointy objects as well
[23:04] <acheronuk> I hope so.
[23:05] <wxl> clivejo: please advise on moving forward with the yakkety sru of konversation
[23:05] <wxl> (now that rik's had his way with it)
[23:07] <clivejo> usually you need an SRU bug report
[23:07] <clivejo> I didnt know if the current one is enough or if you need a new one
[23:08] <wxl> i can handle that
[23:08] <wxl> i'm just wondering if you consider it "sufficiently" tested
[23:08] <clivejo> does anyone know that momken person who was in here before
[23:09] <clivejo> wxl: I cant test it so I dont know, but if you have 3 or more people testing it, I would consider that sufficient
[23:10] <sintre> clivejo > not well but i've seen him in kubuntu before , he was having similar issue as mine
[23:10] <sintre> earlier
[23:11] <clivejo> ximion: do you know who momken is?
[23:13] <acheronuk> 'Sina Momken' according to /whowas
[23:14] <valorie> he occasionally comes into #kubuntu
[23:15] <wxl> clivejo: well, two so far. i guess i'll try to get someone else to look. siiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
[23:15] <wxl> ahoneybun: weren't you at one point going to test the yakkety konversation in my ppa?
[23:15] <clivejo> seeing as its a bigfix release, thats probably enough
[23:15] <clivejo> bug
[23:15] <wxl> k well i'll try with ahoneybun first i guess
[23:16] <acheronuk> clivejo wxl etc. need to organise a ninja/dev meeting sometime as well, as clivejo suggested the other day
[23:16] <acheronuk> with feature freeze a month and a few days away
[23:17] <clivejo> yes
[23:17] <wxl> post somehing to the list and suggest a date?
[23:17] <clivejo> wxl: was more the time/date to try and fit in with you guys on the other side of the pond
[23:18] <wxl> clivejo: how about this weekend sometime?
[23:18] <wxl> maybe 1500 utc tomorrow?
[23:20] <clivejo> is 15:00 UTC not too early for you?
[23:20] <wxl> naw, i'm usually rousing at 1400
[23:20] <wxl> i'm not a teenager like SOME PEOPLE :)
[23:21]  * clivejo wonders if Darin could make that
[23:21] <wxl> i can do later but usually my girls are not chomping at the bit at that point
[23:23] <acheronuk> fine with me most times later tomorrow
[23:23] <wxl> later like whne
[23:23] <wxl> ?
[23:23] <wxl> s/ne/en/
[23:23] <acheronuk> later = mid afternoon - evening UTC
[23:24] <wxl>  = 1700 utc
[23:24] <wxl> ?
[23:25] <wxl> apparently evening is supposed to roughhly coincide with sundown, so is that right? :)
[23:25] <clivejo> thats my tea time!
[23:26] <acheronuk> wxl: ok I should be clearer
[23:26] <acheronuk> 15:00 would be ok. so would anytime after that, most likely
[23:26] <wxl> oh ok
[23:26] <clivejo> lets do 15:00
[23:26] <wxl> there ya go, so we just need to check with darin
[23:31] <wxl> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo maybe an email to the list? :)
[23:34] <acheronuk> I guess so
[23:35]  * acheronuk yawns
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[00:01] <Vantrax> we know'
[00:14] <paultag> aveilleux, >:(
[00:17] <goodtime> i hat ipods lost all my music filles and 600 songs on a ipod 80gig
[00:17] <aveilleux> Paultag <3
[00:17] <aveilleux> goodtime: Are you sure?
[00:17] <paultag> aveilleux, thanks, man I wish I could figure this out
[00:17] <goodtime> idk man what happend reay to tell the truth
[00:17] <paultag> not thanks man, thanks. man, I wish...
[00:18] <aveilleux> goodtime: Are they not appearing on your iPod's library?
[00:18] <goodtime> nope there arnt any
[00:18] <aveilleux> goodtime: Because newer-generation iPods use some weird SQL system to store the songs, even if they're physically on the iPod
[00:19] <goodtime> plus the dude left with his ipod missing 6000 songs and some movies and etc etc
[00:19] <goodtime> ill see him tommrow and try to rectify the seen
[00:35] <iceflatline> hi there zkriesse
[00:36] <iceflatline> I'm terrible at using Away
[03:47] <frank1_> anyone help me figure out how to set up a dual boot on an existing system
[03:48] <holstein> you want to boot ubuntu and what?
[03:48] <frank1_> windows xp that i have an iso of on a cd
[03:49] <holstein> i like to do the windows install
[03:49] <holstein> and then the ubuntu install
[03:49] <holstein> thats what i consider the 'easy way'
[03:49] <frank1_> i have been running ubuntu for a while and love it but need a small partition of windows for my berry
[03:49] <holstein> hmmm
[03:49] <holstein> USB sync?
[03:49] <darkNemisis>  how'd i wget without robots? is it just --no-robots
[03:49] <holstein> can you get away with virtual box?
[03:49] <aveilleux> frank1_: To be honest, installing XP and _then_ Ubuntu is the easiest way arounf
[03:49] <frank1_> yea backup
[03:49] <aveilleux> around*
[03:50] <frank1_> ok
[03:50] <frank1_> so......i have two drives now, one is just my os and the other is all my media
[03:50] <aveilleux> frank1_: Also Holstein has a point, why don't you just use VBox?
[03:50] <holstein> i would back up EVERYTHING
[03:51] <holstein> maybe even consider imaging if your really worried about it
[03:51] <holstein> you just need to shrink a partition
[03:51] <frank1_> its all on a seperate drive. cant i just pull that drive to be safe and do the windows/ubuntu install on the other
[03:51] <holstein> and claim that space with the XP installer
[03:51] <frank1_> thats what i thought
[03:51] <holstein> then you'll have to re-do grub
[03:51] <holstein> ive never had to do it that way
[03:51] <frank1_> i have instructions on how to redo grup
[03:51] <holstein> but it should work fine
[03:52] <frank1_> grub
[03:52] <frank1_> but im not sure how to repartition a mounted drive
[03:52] <holstein> still, vBox is nice with windows
[03:52] <holstein> with the snapshots
[03:52] <frank1_> does vbox work with blackberry backup and itunes?
[03:52] <holstein> vbox just hosts an OS
[03:53] <frank1_> the only reasons i would ever use windows
[03:53] <holstein> and supports USB passthrough
[03:53] <aveilleux> frank1_: It works if you install the PUEL version from the Oracle website
[03:53] <aveilleux> frank1_: ...yes, as holstein mentioned, it supports USB passthrough
[03:53] <holstein> SO if you need a USB port to sync
[03:53] <holstein> your good to go
[03:53] <holstein> XP runs well in there too
[03:53] <frank1_> hmm so this sounds to good to be true
[03:53] <holstein> i had it running with 256 of ram
[03:53] <frank1_> how hard is it to set up vbox
[03:53] <holstein> virtual ram i should say
[03:53] <holstein> nah
[03:54] <aveilleux> frank1_: Once you get used to virtualization, it really makes a lot of sense
[03:54] <holstein> its easier than what your trying to do ;)
[03:54] <aveilleux> frank1_: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads Download the .deb file here
[03:54] <frank1_> easier sounds better
[03:55] <aveilleux> frank1_: Because only the Open Source version is in the repos, and you want the Personal Use and Evaluation License version (because of the USB passthrough support)
[03:55] <aveilleux> frank1_: VBox is very easy to use.
[03:55] <frank1_> ok im lost already
[03:56] <holstein> where?
[03:56] <holstein> OH
[03:56] <holstein> with the 2 versions
[03:56] <frank1_> how do i know if im running a 64 bit kernal
[03:56] <holstein> you need the one that supports the USB passthrough
[03:56] <frank1_> whatever that is
[03:56] <holstein> hmmm
[03:56] <aveilleux> frank1_: in Terminal, type uname -m
[03:56] <aveilleux> x86_64 of amd64 is 64-bit, i686 is 32-bit
[03:56] <holstein> you can do 32bit guests on a 64bit host right?
[03:57] <aveilleux> holstein: Yes
[03:57] <aveilleux> holstein: You can do the other way 'round as well, but you have to fully virtualize the CPU and it's slow as heck
[03:57] <holstein> OH
[03:57] <holstein> thats right
[03:57] <holstein> i read that somewhere
[03:57] <aveilleux> holstein: I think he's looking for which package to install
[03:57] <frank1_> uname -m yields i686
[03:58] <aveilleux> frank1_: That means you're running 32-bit
[03:58] <frank1_> so dl the i686 package next to lucid?
[03:58] <aveilleux> frank1: Yes
[03:59] <frank1_> ok 3.5 min of dl
[03:59] <frank1_> so in 4 min ill be totally lost asking for help
[03:59] <frank1_> :-D
[04:00] <aveilleux> frank1_: Don't worry, that's what we're here for -;)
[04:00] <aveilleux> ...
[04:00] <aveilleux> ;-) *
[04:00] <darkNemisis>  how'd i wget without robots? is it just --no-robots
[04:02] <aveilleux> darkNemisis: What do you mean, robots? wget downloads individual files
[04:02] <aveilleux> darkNemesis: Also, man wget
[04:02] <holstein> im not sure i know how to wget with robots
[04:03] <darkNemisis> i need to scan a site for unlocked directories
[04:03] <darkNemisis> or unprotected
[04:04] <holstein> try wget -help
[04:04] <aveilleux> darkNemesis: I'm not helping you crack into public FTP servers
[04:04] <holstein> that spit out a bunch of options
[04:04] <holstein> OH
[04:04] <holstein> is that whats up ;)
[04:04] <holstein> hehe
[04:04] <holstein> agreed
[04:04] <aveilleux> holstein: Someone a few days ago was saying they had to use CUDA to crack md5
[04:05] <aveilleux> holstein: I was like "...... what?"
[04:05] <darkNemisis> holstein, not doing that
[04:05]  * zkriesse the bot is here
[04:06]  * aveilleux wabes to zkreisse
[04:06] <aveilleux> waves, even
[04:06] <aveilleux> darkNemesis: Then can you explain why you need to scan for unprotected directories on a system?
[04:07] <frank1_> aveilleux: how much ram should i be allocating
[04:07] <aveilleux> frank1_: How much physical RAM do you have?
[04:08] <holstein> XP is old
[04:08] <holstein> its likes 512 just fine really
[04:08] <frank1_> 3gb but its saying i only have 2560mb available
[04:08] <aveilleux> frank1_: Okay, allocate 512 MB to the guest machine
[04:09] <frank1_> ok
[04:09] <frank1_> ok now im actually los
[04:09] <frank1_> lost
[04:10] <frank1_>   Select a hard disk image to be used as the boot hard disk of the virtual machine
[04:10] <aveilleux> frank1_: Create a new hard disk image
[04:10] <holstein> now you get to make a 'fake' hard drive
[04:10] <frank1_> yea thats my only choice i just dont know what it means
[04:11] <holstein> on your exisiting filesystem
[04:11] <holstein> theres one
[04:11] <holstein> i think its called 'dynamically expanding'
[04:11] <aveilleux> frank1_: Now you're creating a fake hard drive. It looks like a single file on your host machine
[04:11] <holstein> i like that one
[04:11] <frank1_> yup
[04:11] <frank1_> ok
[04:11] <aveilleux> holstein: There's no reason to use the static imahe
[04:11] <aveilleux> image*
[04:11] <holstein> aveilleux: i read something about speed
[04:12] <holstein> but i didnt notice really
[04:12] <aveilleux> holstein: Only very, very slightly. It decreases fragmentation.
[04:12] <frank1_> if im doing dynamic why do i need to select the size of the vitual drive in mb
[04:13] <frank1_>   This size will be reported to the Guest OS as the maximum size of this hard disk.
[04:13] <holstein> make sure you give it enough room for whatever you need to do over ther
[04:13] <holstein> your backups and what-not
[04:13] <holstein> it will 'grow' in ubuntu
[04:13] <aveilleux> frank1_: Yes, that. You can't have an infinitely large image. Operating systems can't handle that
[04:13] <holstein> BUT the fake XP will think its whatever size you tell it to be there
[04:14] <frank1_> oh i was getting the impression that it would just take as much space as it needed
[04:14] <frank1_> if it needs more itll just take it
[04:14] <aveilleux> frank1_: Yes, that's how it works
[04:14] <aveilleux> frank1_: But you have to report a maximum amount to the gues OS
[04:14] <frank1_> so.......how much should i be reporting
[04:14] <aveilleux> frank1_: Because a computer can't say "you have a disk that's just as big as you need it"
[04:15] <frank1_> ahh
[04:15] <aveilleux> frank1_: VBox should give you a default, if you selected XP on the first screen
[04:15] <frank1_> so really it doesent mater how much i repost
[04:15] <frank1_> report
[04:15] <holstein> i think its 8gb right?
[04:15] <aveilleux> frank1_: It does.
[04:15] <holstein> the default
[04:15] <frank1_> 10gb
[04:15] <aveilleux> frank1_: The max is the cap, you can't increase it past that
[04:15] <holstein> not going to hurt to say 20gb or so
[04:15] <aveilleux> frank1_: No, you don't need that much. Leave it at 10
[04:15] <holstein> if you got the space
[04:16] <holstein> im just thinking about he itunes management
[04:16] <aveilleux> holstein: shared directories :3
[04:16] <holstein> if he wants to store audio files over there at some point
[04:16] <holstein> that would be cool
[04:16] <holstein> sounds like the kind of thing itunes wouldnt like ;)
[04:16] <holstein> but, that was my only agrument for the 20
[04:17] <frank1_> i have the space but the only thing im planning on storeing is my berry backup
[04:17] <holstein> 10'll do it :)
[04:18] <frank1_> so ten it is
[04:18] <frank1_> now how do i install xp on this fake hd
[04:19] <aveilleux> frank1_: Open up the settings (gear icon)
[04:19] <aveilleux> frank1_: under Storage, select the optical drive and choose to open an ISO. Open the XP ISo
[04:19] <aveilleux> ISO*
[04:19] <aveilleux> Frank1_: Then just start the VM (virtual machine) and you're good to go
[04:20] <darkNemisis> !portscan
[04:20] <ubot2> Factoid 'portscan' not found
[04:21] <frank1_> in storage i see no optical drive
[04:21] <aveilleux> darkNemesis: If you're still on that, you might want to look at Angry IP Scanner
[04:21] <frank1_> theres a storage tree
[04:21] <aveilleux> frank1_: Should be the CD-looking icon
[04:21] <aveilleux> frank1_: Labled "empty"
[04:21] <frank1_> yea empty
[04:22] <aveilleux> frank1_: Click on it, then in the right sidepane click ont he folder with an up arrow
[04:22] <aveilleux> frank1_: Then click "add" and find the ISO, then select
[04:22] <JackJelinek> is there a way to restart a Ubuntu installation without loosing everything? I screwed up my audio files and I need to reinstall Ubuntu to fix it. Is there a way to do it without having to repartition?
[04:23] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: Yes, if you choose manual partitioning you can opt to not format anything. I think.
[04:23] <JackJelinek> okay, i installed this from Win7 will i have to go back to it and do it there? or can I do something on Ubuntu itself?
[04:24] <frank1_> looks like its working. got a blue screen running windows setup
[04:24] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: You used Wubi? I have no idea then, sorry. Not my area of expertise
[04:24] <JackJelinek> no, I installed ubuntu using the iso in Windows 7. do I need to boot over to windows 7 to do this?
[04:25] <aveilleux> frank1_: Change the storage controller type for the hard drive to ICH6... you'll see it
[04:25] <frank1_> uhh crap?
[04:25] <acerimmer_> JackJelinek: that is wubi
[04:25] <frank1_> i didnt
[04:25] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: you're not making any sense. You can't install Ubuntu from Windows without using Wubi.
[04:25] <frank1_> and its installing already
[04:25] <aveilleux> frank1_: Um... problem solved, yay?
[04:25] <frank1_> is that a problem
[04:25] <JackJelinek> all i did was mount to Ubuntu .iso with daemon tools and installed it from there.
[04:26] <aveilleux> frank1_: You mean the XP install blue screen? Not the fatal error bluescreen?
[04:26] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: That's Wubi.
[04:26] <frank1_> aveilleux: yea the install blue screen
[04:26] <aveilleux> frank1_: Okay, don't scare me like that x3
[04:26] <JackJelinek> ah okay, so just go back there and reinstall? I tried that before and now on my boot screen I have windows 7 and two Ubuntus but only one works
[04:26] <frank1_> aveilleux: am i going to need to go through all this everytime i wanna run xp
[04:27] <frank1_> aveilleux: or will i just select xp and hit run
[04:27] <aveilleux> frank1_: No, it's just like installing Windows on a normal computer. You'll have to unmount the CD once you're done though.
[04:27] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: That seems like you don't want to do it.
[04:28] <frank1_> aveilleux: ok not sure what that means.. when i had to find and select my iso i just found and selected the copy thats on my desktop not the copy on my disk
[04:28] <JackJelinek> all I want is to fix my audio issues. apparently when i installed it it totally skipped the subsystem required to even have sound. thats what someone in here told me
[04:28] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: Then you don't have to reinstall! just run sudo aptitude install alsa-utils and it'll install what you need.
[04:29] <aveilleux> frank1_: N-no, you have to unmount the ISO from the virtual machine
[04:29] <frank1_> aveilleux: ok well i hope youll be able to help me with that
[04:30] <JackJelinek> okay because yesterday they had me check /dev/mixer and there was nothing there which they said was amazing
[04:30] <aveilleux> frank1_: After you're done installing Windows (there's two reboots in between), go to Devices > CD/DVD Devices Unmount CD/DVD Device
[04:30] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: It is, but run that command anyway and see how it goes
[04:30] <JackJelinek> do i need to restart after installing this?
[04:30] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: no, but you should log out and log back in.
[04:30] <frank1_> aveilleux: is that in vbox on in windows
[04:31] <JackJelinek> okay i will be right back then
[04:31] <aveilleux> frank1_: VBox, look at the top menu bar
[04:32] <frank1_> aveilleux: not seeing it
[04:32] <aveilleux> frank1_: Send me a screenshot? http://imgur.com/
[04:32] <JackJelinek> yep, I don't have any sound still
[04:33] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: That was... really fast
[04:33] <JackJelinek> newly built custom computer?
[04:33] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: I'm more speaking in terms if the package downloads... linux-sound-base is a pretty hefty DL
[04:34] <JackJelinek> oh yeah, it was done before i asked if i should reinstall
[04:34] <frank1_> http://imgur.com/NQJ1f.png
[04:34] <aveilleux> no, frank1_, of the running VBox window....
[04:35] <JackJelinek> is that bad that it went so fast?
[04:36] <frank1_> well ok than i see the device menu
[04:36] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: I think your sound hardware isn't being detected
[04:36] <aveilleux> !audio |JackJelinek
[04:36] <ubot2> JackJelinek: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[04:37] <JackJelinek> ive been through all those. the guy i talked with yesterday says it can detect it but i dont have the audio subsystem to use it or something like that
[04:37] <aveilleux> Hardware audio problems is really one of my vague spots
[04:37] <frank1_> aveilleux: after i unmount the cd can i delete the iso from my desktop?
[04:38] <holstein> JackJelinek: can you run this in the terminal?
[04:38] <holstein> aplay -l
[04:38] <holstein> you dont have to post it here
[04:38] <JackJelinek> aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[04:38] <holstein> hmmm
[04:38] <aveilleux> frank1_: Well not quite yet. You have to remove it from the media manager. It's in the File menu
[04:38] <JackJelinek> this stumped everyone last night.
[04:39] <JackJelinek> I have a Creative X-Fi Xtreme Audio soundcard just fyi
[04:39] <holstein> the sound work under windows?
[04:39] <JackJelinek> yep
[04:39] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: I don't think the X-Fi series has great support... I could never get mine working
[04:40] <holstein> well, at least its creative
[04:40] <JackJelinek> is it possible to use my onboard then?
[04:40] <frank1_> aveilleux: will you be here for a lil while? its got 11 min remaining and i wanna go eat
[04:40] <aveilleux> frank1_ Probably all night
[04:40] <holstein> i wouldnt cry about replacing a creative sound device
[04:40] <frank1_> aveilleux: cool brb
[04:40] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: I don't think so, without removing the X-Fi
[04:40] <JackJelinek> I'm not even sure if this mobo has onboard actually...
[04:41] <JackJelinek> I don't really have any money right now to be buying a new card...
[04:41] <holstein> you could just get a crap card at the second hand shop
[04:41] <holstein> for a couple bucks
[04:42] <JackJelinek> but there is no way i can get this card to work on this? this card isn't that new is it? i would think someone would figure out how to get it working on linux
[04:43] <holstein> looks like support use to be there
[04:43] <holstein> and sketchy
[04:43] <holstein> i bet its been taken out
[04:43] <holstein> used to *
[04:43] <JackJelinek> thats really annoying hah
[04:44] <holstein> can be
[04:44] <aveilleux> I think the guy working on it left to do other things
[04:45] <JackJelinek> so i'm SOL then?
[04:46] <aveilleux> Sadly
[04:46] <JackJelinek> alrighty well i guess its good bye to ubuntu
[04:47] <JackJelinek> thanks guys
[04:48] <holstein> JackJelinek:
[04:48] <holstein> did you try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1063987
[04:48] <frank1_> aveilleux: alright i think its done installing
[04:48] <JackJelinek> nope, ill do that and get back to you
[04:49] <holstein> JackJelinek: looks promising
[04:49] <holstein> good luck :)
[04:49] <JackJelinek> when i tried to force-reload alsa i got this: lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/jack/.gvfs
[04:49] <JackJelinek>       Output information may be incomplete.
[04:49] <JackJelinek> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/jack/.gvfs
[04:49] <JackJelinek>       Output information may be incomplete.
[04:49] <JackJelinek> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded).
[04:49] <JackJelinek> Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload).
[04:49] <JackJelinek> woah
[04:50] <aveilleux> !patebin |JackJelinek
[04:50] <ubot2> Factoid 'patebin' not found
[04:50] <aveilleux> erk
[04:50] <aveilleux> !pastebin |JackJelinek
[04:50] <ubot2> JackJelinek: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[04:50] <holstein> JackJelinek: yeah, i would try all the steps
[04:50] <holstein> and see if that works still
[04:50] <JackJelinek> yeah, sorry about that
[04:50] <frank1_> aveilleux:so is now the time to unmount the cd?
[04:51] <aveilleux> frank1_: Are you at the Windows desktop?
[04:51] <frank1_> aveilleux:yea
[04:51] <aveilleux> frank1_: Then go ahead
[04:51] <frank1_> aveilleux:ok
[04:51] <frank1_> aveilleux:anything else i should be doing
[04:52] <aveilleux> frank1_: Installing the Guest Additions. Devices > Install Guest Additions
[04:52] <aveilleux> frank1_: This will activate screen resizing, USB support, shared folders, etc
[04:53] <frank1_> aveilleux:ok ill let this tick awau
[04:54] <frank1_> away
[04:54] <frank1_> aveilleux:anything else after i reboot
[04:54] <JackJelinek> yeah, none of that helped. all that comes up is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/451440/
[04:55] <holstein> you edited /etc/pulse/daemon.conf ?
[04:55] <JackJelinek> yep
[04:55] <holstein> and rebooted?
[04:55] <holstein> or logged out
[04:55] <JackJelinek> ...be right back.
[04:56] <frank1_>  aveilleux:so it this good to go now?
[04:56] <aveilleux> frank1_: Basically, yeah
[04:57] <frank1_>  aveilleux: i can remove the iso from my desktop and not suffer catastrophic failure
[04:57] <aveilleux> frank1_: Assuming you've removed it from the media manager, yes
[04:57] <frank1_>  aveilleux:and that is/
[04:58] <aveilleux> frank1_: File > Virtual Media Manager
[04:59] <holstein> whats the good news JackJelinek ?
[04:59] <frank1_>  aveilleux:find the iso and hit remove?
[04:59] <aveilleux> frank1_: Yes
[04:59] <JackJelinek> nothing :(
[04:59] <JackJelinek> still no audio
[05:00] <holstein> hmmm
[05:00] <JackJelinek> still no soundcard listed
[05:01] <holstein> well, that was my big google-fu effort
[05:01] <JackJelinek> i have google-fu'd for daaaaays
[05:01] <frank1_> http://pastebin.com/7unvYwCp
[05:01] <frank1_>  aveilleux: fail
[05:01] <holstein> this doens really address the fact that its not showing up either
[05:01] <JackJelinek> everything is for a previous version, 10.whatever-is-the-most-recent is supposed to have supposed
[05:02] <holstein> JackJelinek: do you see in in lspci?
[05:02] <holstein> it in*
[05:02] <aveilleux> frank1_: I'm going to just choose to ignore the piracy <_<;;
[05:02] <JackJelinek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/451442/
[05:02] <aveilleux> frank1_: Shut down the guest machine, see if that does it
[05:02] <holstein> i was about to say :)
[05:03] <frank1_> acpi shutdown
[05:03] <frank1_> ???
[05:03] <aveilleux> frank1_: Just Start > Shut Down in Windows
[05:03] <frank1_> i spent hours today looking for that disk. i know its somewhere i just cant find it. i gave up and took the easy way out
[05:04] <holstein> you could team up on this post JackJelinek
[05:04] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1491560
[05:04] <aveilleux> frank1_: I'm ignoring it. Move on.
[05:04] <frank1_> just saying
[05:04] <JackJelinek> I don't even have alsamixer so that guy is ahead of me haha
[05:04] <holstein> you dont?
[05:05] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: sudo aptitude install alsa-utils should have installed alsamixer
[05:05] <frank1_> ok now what
[05:05] <holstein> hmmm
[05:05] <aveilleux> frank1_: Now try removing the media
[05:05] <holstein> JackJelinek: if that were my box
[05:05] <JackJelinek> this is all i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/451444/
[05:05] <holstein> i would probably get a hardy live CD
[05:05] <holstein> and some other live CD's
[05:05] <holstein> see if i could learn something that way
[05:06] <frank1_>  aveilleux:seemed to work
[05:06] <holstein> getting SOME kernel to see it
[05:06] <holstein> and use it
[05:06] <frank1_>  aveilleux:should i now delete the iso from desktop
[05:06] <JackJelinek> what do you mean? some kernel?
[05:06] <holstein> hmmmm
[05:06] <holstein> you should have alsamixer
[05:06] <aveilleux> frank1_: If you want
[05:06] <holstein> JackJelinek: just in the spirit of troubleshooting
[05:07] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: Alsamixer is installed!
[05:07] <holstein> id try an older kernel
[05:07] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: But since it's not detecting your audio hardware, it can't open the mixer for it
[05:07] <JackJelinek> yep, like i said some guy told me yesterday that im just flat out missing part of the subsystem, is that what that is?
[05:07] <JackJelinek> how do i change kernels?
[05:08] <holstein> JackJelinek: i would just boot live CD's
[05:08] <holstein> to test
[05:08] <frank1_> aveilleux: awesome. seems to be working
[05:08] <holstein> might just not happen
[05:08] <JackJelinek> ohhh okay i get you, like previous versions of ubuntu?
[05:08] <holstein> hardy
[05:08] <JackJelinek> ?
[05:08] <holstein> that would be the one i would go to
[05:08] <holstein> ubuntu 8.04
[05:08] <holstein> !hardy
[05:08] <ubot2> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details.
[05:09] <JackJelinek> alrighty, im gonna go boot up windows to burn these since im not 100% sure how to do that on here. and I miss my music :P
[05:10] <holstein> heh
[05:10] <holstein> e
[05:10] <JackJelinek> thanks guys, if i can do this quick enough i miiiight be back
[05:11] <holstein> JackJelinek:
[05:11] <holstein> not to bombard you with links
[05:11] <holstein> but
[05:11] <holstein> http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1481801
[05:12] <holstein> these guys say they had success too
[05:12] <holstein> by upgrading alsa
[05:12] <holstein> this is recent activity too
[05:12] <JackJelinek> how do i upgrade alsa? i went onto the alsa wiki and i tried to do it there but i wasnt too sure how to install a .tar.bz2
[05:13] <holstein> this is what is suggested http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810
[05:14] <holstein> personally
[05:14] <holstein> i dont like creative enough that i think i would get another card
[05:14] <holstein> but this shouldnt hurt anything
[05:14] <frank1_> aveilleux: how do i get vbox to recognize a cd? or is that not an option
[05:15] <aveilleux> frank1_: One of the options is "Physical Drive: <whatever>"
[05:15] <aveilleux> frank1_: Oh, trust me, VBox can do many things :D
[05:16] <frank1_> aveilleux: physcial drive?
[05:16] <JackJelinek> what directory is my desktop so i can cd to it?
[05:16] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: ~/Desktop
[05:16] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: Case-sensitive
[05:17] <aveilleux> frank1_: in the Settings (again), one of the options for the CD drive should be Host Drive <whatever>
[05:20] <JackJelinek> all this code going on in the terminal is looking promising hah
[05:21] <frank1_> aveilleux: when im done with that cd should i set it back to guest additions iso?
[05:21] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: You compiling? (make, sudo make install, etc)
[05:21] <aveilleux> frank1_: You don't have to, no.
[05:21] <JackJelinek> i just did this:
[05:21] <frank1_> cool
[05:21] <JackJelinek> sudo ./AlsaUpgrade-1.0.23-2.sh -d
[05:21] <aveilleux> frank1_: I'm going off for the nifhg. Good luck!
[05:21] <JackJelinek> and its been going for a while
[05:21] <holstein> that would be nice JackJelinek
[05:21] <holstein> easy
[05:22] <aveilleux> JackJelinek: Oh cool, an upgrade script. That's nice of them.
[05:22] <frank1_> sir thank you much
[05:22] <JackJelinek> the people who make these things are amazing
[05:23] <holstein> amazing right?
[05:39] <zkriesse> duanedesign: ping
[05:42] <Darkness_Des> I'm having another problem with BASH, although this one is only a one line Alias and not a large script.
[05:42] <Darkness_Des> I'm putting it into pastebin right now.
[05:44] <Darkness_Des> http://paste.ubuntu.com/451453/
[05:45] <Darkness_Des> I keep getting "find: missing argument to -exec", although there clearly is one.
[05:55] <tenach> Hmm.
[05:57] <Darkness_Des> Hmm?
[06:01] <tenach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/451458/
[06:01] <tenach> Darkness_Des, perhaps you were missing what I added.
[06:02] <Darkness_Des> I'll go try it now.
[06:02] <zkriesse> Night team
[06:02]  * zkriesse out
[06:02] <tenach> night zkriesse
[06:03] <Darkness_Des> Still no luck.
[06:04] <Darkness_Des> Alright, I'll figure that one out later..
[06:04] <Darkness_Des> I have a new issue.
[06:04] <Darkness_Des> I wish to combine several Live CD ISO files into one bootable flash drive.
[06:04] <Darkness_Des> Any way to do that?
[06:11] <tenach> ...
[06:19] <mohi1> hiya te`
[06:20] <mohi1> err tenach
[06:20] <tenach> Hello mohi1
[06:20] <mohi1> howdy tenach? anything special?
[06:20] <tenach> Not that I know of.
[06:21] <mohi1> =]
[06:24] <tenach> how are you mohi1 ?
[06:24] <mohi1> now only woke up tenach =]
[06:24] <tenach> :D got a whole day ahead of you then.
[06:27] <mohi1> its june 18 here =]
[06:30] <ddecator> it technically is here too :p
[06:33] <tenach> Not for me, for a few more hours
[07:19] <Puck`> good morning
[07:19] <Puck`> joy of todaY: Wordpress 3.0 has been released (:
[07:25] <tenach> Good mornin' Puck`
[07:25] <tenach> Puck`, I know!
[07:25] <tenach> I'm fiddling with it
[07:27] <Puck`> :D
[07:27] <Puck`> hi tenach
[07:28] <tenach> How are you today?
[07:29] <Puck`> just got to work
[07:29] <Puck`> kinda sleepy too (:
[08:20] <nose_pick> 0hey baby'
[12:00] <aluex> hi, i met a problem while installing virtualbox
[12:08] <Silver_Fox_> Please describe your problem aluex
[12:11] <aluex> wait,i m pasting. thank you in advance. :)
[12:14] <aluex> Output is here :http://pastebin.com/1etdeahR
[12:16] <aluex> Silver_Fox_, poke
[12:20] <geirha> Have you installed the kernel headers?
[12:20] <geirha> aptitude search "linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
[12:20] <aluex> what's that?
[12:21] <aluex> nothing appears
[12:21] <geirha> Odd. Do you have a self-built kernel?
[12:22] <aluex> No,i used Ubuntu Tweak to clean some old kernel
[12:22] <geirha> Hm. What does uname -r say?
[12:22] <aluex> 2.6.31-19-generic
[12:22] <aluex> Oh, god.
[12:22] <geirha> Latest is 2.6.31-22
[12:23] <aluex> I dont know.
[12:23] <geirha> (for Ubuntu 9.10)
[12:24] <aluex> Hmm, i use 10.04
[12:24] <geirha> Well, you want to install the linux-headers package for that version.  Should be  linux-headers-2.6.31-19-generic
[12:24] <geirha> Ah, that explains it
[12:24] <geirha> You are using a 9.10 kernel in 10.04
[12:25] <aluex> oh,maybe a wrong selection in grub caused that
[12:25] <aluex> I m going to restart
[12:28] <aluex> geirha, something is odd.
[12:29] <aluex> the latest kernal choice in my grub list is 2.6.31-19
[12:31] <aluex> i dont know,but something called vmcoreinfo-2.6.32-22-generic really exists in my /boot/ folder
[12:32] <aluex> geirha? poke.
[12:45] <Silver_Fox_> aluex,  Rather odd
[12:47] <aluex> I've solved the problem by remaking grub.cfg
[12:47] <aluex> thank you all.
[12:49] <aluex> by the way,what does "vga=786" mean?
[12:52] <Silver_Fox_> Just a VGA Resolution aluex
[12:52] <aluex> what does it refer to?
[12:53] <Silver_Fox_> Set your framebuffer resolution to VESA mode 786
[12:53] <aluex> i saw some information about changing screen resolution
[12:53] <aluex> when i start up
[12:54] <aluex> my screen resolution is 1024x600 in reality
[12:54] <Silver_Fox_> For the boot only
[12:55] <aluex> oh.
[12:55] <aluex> you mean it doesn't affect my session?
[12:56] <Silver_Fox_> No, I do not believe so
[12:56] <Silver_Fox_> It is for boot only :)
[12:58] <aluex> please more detail? .. i cannot catch your words.
[13:02] <Silver_Fox_> aluex, I will be back shortly.
[13:02] <aluex> Ok :)
[13:02] <Silver_Fox_> Perhaps someone else can reword / explain better while i am gone
[13:03] <aluex> oh,anyhow, thank you very much.
[14:59] <goodtime> ok i messed up real good
[14:59] <goodtime> i pluged in a ipod that was a mistake
[15:00] <goodtime>  i prob can recover my music because the space didnt change ,but i cant see the files anymore
[15:00] <goodtime>  i was loading a ipod then i did it wrong
[15:00] <goodtime>  then i trashed my mistake and everything is not showing anymore thoe it still is useing space
[15:01] <goodtime>  any commans i need to recover?
[15:01] <goodtime> can i get some help fellas
[15:02] <goodtime> man ill never use a ipod again
[15:03] <Danawar> =p
[15:04] <Danawar> i dont quite understand what you are trying to do :p
[15:04] <goodtime> recover files
[15:04] <Danawar> run apple
[15:04] <Danawar> itunes
[15:04] <goodtime> ha never
[15:04] <Danawar> with ipod plugged in
[15:04] <goodtime> oic
[15:05] <goodtime> ok
[15:05] <Danawar> that will recover every thing wont it
[15:05] <Danawar> ?
[15:05] <goodtime> as root?
[15:05] <Danawar> well
[15:05] <goodtime> im sorry i thought you ment something eles
[15:05] <Danawar> do you have a mac or a windows machine
[15:05] <goodtime> i dont
[15:06] <Danawar> well
[15:06] <Danawar> if you run itunes on linux
[15:06] <Danawar> and do a recovery
[15:06] <Danawar> you might find you can recovery everthing off itunes
[15:06] <Danawar> because im sure a backup of your ipod is helf on thier server
[15:07] <goodtime> i tryed i need a link for that app
[15:07] <Danawar> hrmm?
[15:07] <Danawar> what app
[15:07] <goodtime> itunes
[15:07] <Danawar> http://www.apple.com/itunes/
[15:08] <Danawar> how did you remove everything from your ipod in the first place?:
[15:10] <goodtime> idk
[15:11] <Danawar> you plugged it in and it all just disapared>
[15:11] <Danawar> ?*
[15:11] <phillw> Do you have a "Recycler" or "$Recycler" folder? Sometimes when you delete files, they just go to the recycler.
[15:12] <Silver_Fox_> I have no idea about iTunes on Linux. Sorry.   Did you unplug it in middle of sync ?
[15:12] <Danawar> He was not using itunes
[15:12] <Danawar> from what i can gather
[15:12] <Silver_Fox_> iPod on linux, was a typo on my part
[15:12] <goodtime> ryth box
[15:15] <Danawar> so you were running rythbox when it happened?
[15:15] <goodtime> Silver_Fox_: i think i did middle sync
[15:16] <goodtime> its ok ill take this thing to a dude i know its counfuseing to me
[18:37] <nUboon2Age> Q: Somewhere in Ubuntu-land is there a web page w/ ubuntu t-shirt art?
[18:40] <aveilleux> nUboon2Age: http://store.canonical.com/
[18:46] <nUboon2Age> aveilleux: i mean of art that can be used on t-shirts rather than the shirts themselves.
[18:46] <aveilleux> nUboon2Age: http://ubuntu-art.org/index.php?xcontentmode=8126&PHPSESSID=94e58ff85a39870d34eb4ff5b53cc890 ?
[18:53] <nUboon2Age> aveilleux: thank you I hadn't seen that web site before. I'm still looking though.
[19:15] <DarkNemisis> er einhver íslensk hér?
[19:27] <nUboon2Age> I think DN is asking if Icelandic is spoken here.
[19:41] <geirha> No, if there are any icelandic people in here
[19:46] <phillw> DarkNemisis: have a look at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>there seems to be an Icelandic Loco
[19:47] <DarkNemisis> phillw, thanks
[19:47] <phillw> Það er íslensk Loco
[19:48] <mohi1> phillw, the translator ;)
[19:48] <phillw> Ég vona að hjálpa
[19:48] <DarkNemisis> i'm english but wanting to find an icelander to talk to about immi http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/06/17/iceland-passes-law-on-press-freedom-and-protection/
[19:48] <mohi1> I cant google it right now phillw. If i do, my internet will be gone :(
[19:49] <phillw> DarkNemisis: I think that link should be of help
[19:49] <DarkNemisis> phillw, i work in the area and want to find solutions to uk liable tourism
[19:51] <phillw> DarkNemisis: https://launchpad.net/~jakobjs has signed the Code of Conduct, it should be quite safe to email them to the email address on their launchpad page
[19:52] <phillw> It also has the links to the Icelandic team
[19:52] <DarkNemisis> awsome
[19:53] <DarkNemisis> thanks phillw
[19:53] <phillw> you're welcome :-)
[20:05] <Darkness_Des> Is there any way that I could possibly build a script to go to ~/bin, copy all files to ../bin.sh, and give them all an extension of .sh?
[20:05] <Darkness_Des> Everything but the extension giving seems possible so far.
[20:07] <aveilleux> Darkness_Des: Why would you want to to that?
[20:08] <aveilleux> Darkness_Des: This is what you want http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/150
[20:08] <Darkness_Des> aveilleux: Well, I'm trying to distribute various scripts that I make on my website. The only problem with this is that my hosting, uCoz, will rename everything with no extension to have an extension of .noext
[20:08] <Darkness_Des> Oh, thanks.
[20:09] <aveilleux> Darkness_Des: Well that's an extremely obnoxious behavor.
[20:09] <Darkness_Des> Extremely, considering I can't turn it off.
[20:09] <Darkness_Des> Though it is free hosting.
[20:10] <aveilleux> Darkness_Des: It sounds like they're all Windows techies who play around with Linux hosting. Unless it's actually Windows hosting?
[20:10] <Darkness_Des> aveilleux: I have no idea. I just kinda use it to host a few webpages and the latest projects I'm working on.
[20:18] <Darkness_Des> aveilleux: Thank you VERY much for your help. I can now update my installer and upload a few tools I've recently developed
[20:20] <aveilleux> Darkness_Des: No problem
[20:31] <sergio> In a terminal text editor like nano, how can I select all the text and copy it? I need to copy/paste a config file into a pastebin online
[20:36] <aveilleux> Hipster: can you not use gedit?
[20:37] <phillw> Hipster: depends how big the area is, you can click and drag in a terminal to highlight then use Ctrl-Shift-C to copy from, then the usual Ctrl-V to post to pastebin
[20:45] <Hipster> aveilleux: I don't have GNOME installed, so unfortunately I can't use gedit :/  I'm using a window manager called dwm and stuck with terminal applications atm, but it's okay because I just found out about a program I can use called curlpaste. Thanks for the help, though!
[21:09] <kdotj> hey people, does anyone have any experience with java-gnome?
[21:12] <zkriesse> kdotj: meaning?
[21:13] <kdotj> zkriesse, well i have been looking into GTK with java
[21:13] <kdotj> and installed the bindings from the repo's
[21:13] <zkriesse> ok
[21:13] <kdotj> the example code from the java-gnome website wont compile
[21:13] <kdotj> "no such package" for the imports etc
[21:13] <zkriesse> hmm
[21:13] <zkriesse> odd
[21:13] <kdotj> indeed
[21:13] <zkriesse> damnit
[21:14] <kdotj> maybe CLASSPATHS or seomthing?
[21:15] <zkriesse> I honestly don't know
[21:16] <kdotj> no worries
[21:16] <kdotj> thanks anyway
[21:16] <zkriesse> Sorry...I'll look in a few
[21:16] <zkriesse> I'm sending in Resume's right now though
[21:24] <kdotj> cool
[21:24] <kdotj> seems not many people know, my thread on the forum has 0 replies
[21:25] <zkriesse> hmm
[21:26] <nUboon2Age> aveilleux: just to let you know, I found some art in the second linke you sent (ubuntu-art.org) that worked out for me.   See you on Wednesday.
[21:30] <phillw> kdotj: I don't really know about java-gnome but http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/4.0/HACKING.html may be of help, also the irc channel #java-gnome may also be of help?
[21:31] <kdotj> phillw, thank you


[01:20] <zul> i take it most people are on an airplane flight?
[01:21] <ajmitch> not yet
[01:21] <ajmitch> I don't fly out until saturday :)
[01:21] <zul> or most people who live in the northern hemisphere ;)
[01:21] <ajmitch> :)
[01:22] <ajmitch> some of the main developers will be at LCA already
[01:22] <ajmitch> sadly I couldn't go this year
[01:22] <zul> me either
[01:23] <ajmitch> I went to LCA in adelaide last year, it was great fun :)
[01:23] <zul> cool..
[01:45] <jbailey> ajmitch: I'm still at home. =)
[02:33] <zul> yeah well you are moving to montreal so there is something strange about you
[03:53] <darkaudit> ahoy hoy
[03:54] <crimsun> ahoy.
[03:55] <darkaudit> looking at an XFCE menu issue... lots of duplicates and a big honking list labeled 'Applications'
[03:55] <HostingGeek> lol
[03:55] <crimsun> yeah, I'm not sure what to do about that.
[03:56] <crimsun> Benny's xfdesktop changes include Xfld's menu code
[03:56] <crimsun> and the snapshot I imported wasn't <IP_ADDRESS>, it was 4.3 cvs
[03:56] <crimsun> which means while the menu actually works, it has those duplicates.
[03:57] <darkaudit> it looks like it's taking the .desktop files from multiple locations... a lot of the entries match both the gnome copy, and the menu-xdg one
[03:58] <crimsun> I can patch the xfdesktop code to look only at gnome-menu's
[03:58] <crimsun> I want to avoid pushing _too_ many changes, though, because we're already fairly divergent from Debian
[03:59] <crimsun> experimental went straight xfce.org, whereas Jani and I went os-works.com
[03:59] <darkaudit> personally, I'd prefer the menu-xdg, 'cause it's a better populated list on my box
[03:59] <crimsun> but menu-xdg doesn't integrate as well with gnome-menu
[03:59] <crimsun> and gnome integration is one of the things I wanted to push foremost
[03:59] <darkaudit> hmm..
[04:03] <darkaudit> it's just odd that apps like kmail aren't in the main menus in GNOME or KDE, but only show up in the Debian menu after I run update-menus
[04:05] <crimsun> kmail's menu entry probably needs to be fixed then.
[04:05] <darkaudit> and I'm starting to like XFCE... just installed it this morning :)
[04:06] <darkaudit> crimsun: it's not just kmail... most of the games I installed wouldn't show up in the GNOME menu...
[04:06] <crimsun> darkaudit: those haven't been converted to use the new gnome-menu method.
[04:06] <crimsun> though it's better if they're made to use fd.o's xdg spec
[04:08] <darkaudit> is Breezy (and GNOME 2.12) going to be more fd.o-compliant?
[04:08] <crimsun> I can only hope so :)
[04:11] <ajmitch_> hi all
[04:52] <crimsun> hi ajmitch_
[04:59] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch_
[06:24] <\sh> morning Burgundavia
[06:24] <Burgundavia> salut
[06:34] <HostingGeek> m00
[06:44] <\sh> hmmm
[06:45] <\sh> switching from debian to gentoo is not the problem in a live enviroment
[06:45] <\sh> but what about switching from gentoo to ubuntu
[06:45] <\sh> in a live enviroment?
[06:47] <Treenaks> don't use gentoo in live environments ;)
[06:47] <\sh> heheh
[06:47] <\sh> it will be a test
[06:47] <\sh> i want to change my rootie from gentoo to ubuntu ;)
[06:47] <Treenaks> "Yeah, I compiled my server with -O99 -mcpu=pentium5 -march=pentium6 -funroll-loops and prelinked it!!!!!!!111oneone!!11eleven"
[06:48] <\sh> Treenaks: this is for geeks
[06:48] <\sh> -O2 -pipe -march=athlon-xp -mcpu=athlon-xp is for me enough
[06:48] <\sh> and working
[06:48] <thom> Treenaks: don't forget -pipe; that gives you big optimisations :P
[06:48] <Treenaks> thom: oh yeah
[06:49] <\sh> and -fomit-framepointer ;)
[06:49] <\sh> but no, serious
[06:49] <Treenaks> \sh: sorry, that's the image that comes to mind when I hear people say they use gentoo..
[06:49] <\sh> jabber server, webserver with a couple of webpages on etc. have to be moved
[06:50] <\sh> Treenaks: i know, I have to fight every single time against this picture
[06:50] <\sh> not all of the gentoo guys are optimizing compiler flags fetishists
[06:53] <\sh> well, i will ask on #debian ;)
[06:57] <Treenaks> \sh: I'd copy the config files and wwwroot to a newly installed debian machine
[06:57] <Treenaks> \sh: that's how I migrate from one piece of hardware to the next..
[06:58] <\sh> Treenaks: possible...any way of doing a ubuntu install remotely without sitting in the datacenter?
[06:58] <\sh> (well, there is no remote insight board :()
[06:59] <Treenaks> \sh: serial console?
[06:59] <Treenaks> \sh: otherwise debootstrap :)
[06:59] <Treenaks> anyway.. off-to-work time..
[07:00] <\sh> for me too
[07:00] <\sh> deboostrap
[07:00] <\sh> yeah..emerge debootstrap
[07:01] <\sh> there is a second hd, i could install ...mumble..yeah this will do
[07:01] <\sh> finally fun over the day :)
[07:01] <\sh> laters
[07:04] <Mithrandir> \sh: emerge debtakeover, possibly?
[07:37] <schweeb> \sh: yea, definitely look at the debtakeover howto
[07:57] <Burgundavia> people are asking about stuff that is not packaged for Ubuntu on the forums. Is there a good place for them to add their requests?
[08:05] <ajmitch> UniverseCandidates
[08:05] <ajmitch> on the wiki :)
[08:06] <Burgundavia> oops
[08:06] <schweeb> or the Debian New Maintainer's Guide :)
[08:07] <schweeb> get packagin, bishes
[08:07] <schweeb> ;)
[08:22] <\sh> re
[08:24] <\sh> anydody awake who can review/upload
[08:24] <\sh> ?
[08:30] <ajmitch> maybe..
[08:35] <\sh> malone #411 and #346
[08:35] <\sh> 411 was reviewed by herve
[08:35] <\sh> 346 has to be reviewed
[08:42] <\sh> time for a coffee
[09:48] <GheRivero> res
[01:33] <bddebian> Morning
[01:34] <encolpe> hi
[01:34] <goedson> Hi mddebian.
[01:34] <goedson> s/md/bd/ :)
[02:32] <\sh> re
[06:59] <\sh> re
[07:03] <herve> hi!
[07:09] <bddebian> Hello herve
[07:14] <\sh> hey herve
[07:14] <\sh> man I'm so ill sometimes
[07:15] <herve> \sh, I've improved my patch for dia
[07:15] <herve> I fixed the broken code instead of removing it like the gnome patch
[07:15] <\sh> herve: nice...i need someone to review and upload ;)
[07:15] <herve> and I appended that patch to the bug report
[07:15] <\sh> well...finally, I'm running now an ubuntu root server ;)
[07:16] <\sh> replaced gentoo live enviroment
[07:16] <herve> ha :)
[07:16] <herve> I can review
[07:16] <herve> but I'm looking for an uploader too
[07:16] <\sh> hehe
[07:17] <\sh> conglomerate is for review, tagtool u reviewed
[07:17] <\sh> http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/conglomerate/ ;)
[07:17] <herve> I get to it now
[07:17] <\sh> ok...I have now running apache2+mysql+php4+jabberd2+bind9
[07:18] <\sh> I'm missing some python transports and the proxy65, but this I will build by myself
[07:18] <\sh> I removed gnome
[07:18] <\sh> i removed the xserver
[07:18] <herve> yes, it's a server ;-)
[07:18] <\sh> herve: but it won't install as a server
[07:18] <\sh> that was my problem
[07:18] <\sh> deboostrap from ubuntu, installing, base-config new and I had a workstation installation
[07:19] <\sh> apt-get remove `cat /var/lib/dpkg/available|grep "Package: gnome-"|awk '{ print $2 }'` helped a lot ;)
[07:19] <\sh> and funny thing was...the server was running after the final reboot...and what I forgot? apt-get install ssh ;)
[07:19] <\sh> one reboot to much
[07:20] <\sh> one reboot to many, or to much? sp?
[07:21] <herve> hmm...
[07:22] <herve> I know what you mean but don't know how to tell it in English
[07:23] <\sh> ah...i have to create a patch of jabberd2
[07:23] <\sh> there is an error in the init.d file
[07:23] <herve> good!
[07:23] <herve> so I can use it afterwards :-p
[07:24] <\sh> well...it's easy
[07:24] <herve> you had to fix anything in conglomerate?
[07:24] <herve> or just change debian stuff?
[07:24] <\sh> no..only the desktop
[07:24] <\sh> Categorie:GNOME; == gnome only...
[07:25] <herve> ha yes
[07:25] <\sh> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/346
[07:25] <herve> I wonder about reporting the bug upstream
[07:25] <\sh> this guy didn't mention it, so I had to use my glasball :)
[07:25] <\sh> well it's a gnome application, for a gnome package it's ok
[07:26] <herve> your bug should be pending upload :-p
[07:27] <herve> your package is ok for me
[07:27] <\sh> k ;)
[07:27] <herve> s/for/to ?
[07:27] <herve> well, it was easy to review :-)
[07:35] <\sh> ok...now we're waiting for someone to upload ,)
[07:39] <\sh> I should brew a can of coffee and I should have a refreshing shower..my day was terrible...
[07:39] <\sh> (the change to ubuntu was fun, but the rest :()
[07:39] <herve> you can go
[07:39] <herve> I'll tell our uploader your package is ok
[07:40] <\sh> k...tagtool and conglomerate
[07:40] <\sh> btw
[07:40] <\sh> psi
[07:40] <\sh> we should check the repository of fedora
[07:41] <herve> tagtool ?
[07:41] <herve> I didn't saw it on your url
[07:41] <\sh> #411
[07:41] <\sh> u reviewed it yesterday
[07:41] <herve> ha ok
[07:41] <herve> there was a directory for conglomerate
[07:41] <\sh> http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/index1.php?path=tagtool
[07:42] <herve> well for now, my dns seems dead
[07:42] <\sh> finally, it can be that fedora patched psi
[08:06] <Burgundavia_> \sh, conglomerate has a .desktop in conglomere-common binary package
[08:07] <herve_> Burgundavia_, yes but it is misleading
[08:07] <Burgundavia_> herve, misleading?
[08:08] <herve_> category GNOME
[08:08] <\sh> Burgundavia_: the bug was: it's not displayed anywhere else then gnome
[08:08] <Burgundavia_> ahh
[08:09] <\sh> and I'm a stupid...I forgot to re-enable the most important stuff on my server
[08:09] <\sh> postfix and cyrus imapd
[08:09] <\sh> i have to hurry
[08:34] <\sh> I hope I'll get everything right...migrating cyrus imapd is not easy from one system to another
[08:46] <\sh> how can I change libdb4 to libdb3 ?,-)
[08:47] <herve> \sh, what's the problem?
[08:49] <\sh> herve: well...i had cyrus-imapd 2.2.x running and the latest version is in ubuntu 2.1
[08:49] <\sh> 2.1 is running with libdb3 and i need libdb4
[08:50] <herve> what is the name of the package?
[08:51] <\sh> cyrus21-imapd but i need cyrus22
[08:51] <\sh> http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-cyrus-imapd/
[08:51] <\sh> experimental
[08:51] <herve> that's the point, I don't see it in debian
[08:51] <\sh> hehe yeah
[08:52] <\sh> its in experimental state I will try :)
[08:57] <\sh> well...the deps are all there *phew*
[09:06] <\sh> if this is working...well..
[09:19] <herve> I'm green
[09:19] <herve> (to use a French expression)
[09:19] <herve> I though dia 0.94.0-7 fixed my problem
[09:20] <herve> but the version compiled in ubuntu got the same issue in building ps files
[09:20] <herve> I guess the problem is in a build-dependency then
[10:05] <\sh> hmmm
[10:05] <\sh> how can I dertermine which package depends on X?
[10:05] <crimsun> X?
[10:06] <crimsun> as in the X Window System, or $package_X?
[10:06] <\sh> $package_X
[10:06] <crimsun> apt-cache rdepends X
[10:07] <\sh> thx
[10:07] <crimsun> np
[10:23] <herve> crimsun, will you be our uploader tonight? :-)
[10:59] <\sh> hmm
[10:59] <\sh> pop3 is running with sasl
[10:59] <\sh> but not imap
[11:12] <herve> good night!
[11:18] <\sh> yipiieh
[11:18] <\sh> my imap is running again
[11:18] <\sh> now with sasl+mysql