[12:11] <banjooie> er, it said to doubleclick the deb to run it
[12:11] <banjooie> Once downloaded, double-click on the package to install.
[12:11] <Dr_willis> now ya know why i hage easyubuntu. :P
[12:11] <Dr_willis> !easyubuntu
[12:11] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[12:11] <Dr_willis> hate. :P
[12:12] <Dr_willis> for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[12:12] <Dr_willis> or install it from the shell. :P sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[12:18] <mabreaux> hello again
[12:19] <Dr_willis> moo
[12:21] <cpk2> rawr
[12:24] <Riddell> trappist: want to be an op in this channel?
[12:25] <Hawkwind> Riddell: He just left for home, so it'll be a bit before he responds to ya :)
[12:26] <Dr_willis> Thats no Excuse! he should haev his laptop going in his car!
[12:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:26] <Hawkwind> Hah
[12:26] <Dr_willis> Thats the kind of dedication this channel needs!
[12:27] <pierreth> hello, how can I import my audio cd in Amarok?
[12:28] <Dr_willis> import? you mean rip to mp3 on the hard drive?
[12:28] <Raul12> how can i download java runtime for offline install
[12:28] <Raul12> ??
[12:28] <Dr_willis> !java
[12:28] <ubotu> To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[12:28] <windshear> seems as kubuntu 6.10 beta doesn't like my soundcard, a c-media AC97 Audio device.
[12:28] <windshear> I get error message: Sound server fatal error cpu overload, aborting.
[12:28] <windshear> In kubuntu 6.06 it worked with no problem.
[12:28] <pierreth> Dr_willis: yes, like in iTunes
[12:28] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  i always forget the name of that apt-download-to-a-cd tool
[12:28] <Raul12> i want to install it offline
[12:28] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  never used itunes.
[12:28] <Dr_willis> :P
[12:29] <Dr_willis> in fact.. the extent of my cd ussage.. is pop it in.. run grip.. rip it to ogg format.. put cd away.. :)
[12:29] <skabner> hi i need to paste some files in /usr/share/amsn/skins but it's not possible
[12:29] <skabner> can someone help me
[12:29] <skabner> ?
[12:29] <Dr_willis> whats not possible? or you mean you dont know how.
[12:29] <pierreth> Dr_willis: In iTunes, you put the cd in the drive, click import in iTunues and it creates mp3 files and add them to your collection
[12:29] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  i use grip for that.. i just like how it works.
[12:30] <skabner> yes i dont know how
[12:30] <skabner> dr willis
[12:30] <Dr_willis> skabner,  sudo cp whatever  /usr/share/amsn/skins
[12:30] <Dr_willis> from the shell - is one way
[12:30] <pierreth> Dr_willis: you mean I must do this in 2 steps?
[12:30] <skabner> ok i'll try that tnx   Dr green
[12:31] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  I 'rip' my cds  to my mp3 dir.. then play the files with the player.. i cant say tha ive ever messed with amarok much.
[12:31] <Dr_willis> GRIP rips the cd's almost as fast as i can put them in the drive. :P
[12:31] <Hawkwind> Dr_willis: Thank the lord for GRIP :)
[12:31] <pierreth> Dr_willis: OK, I will try this avenue
[12:31] <Hawkwind> One of my all time favorite apps
[12:31] <skabner> try X-CD roast
[12:31] <skabner> :)
[12:32] <pierreth> Dr_willis: Amarok don't seems to have an import fucntion
[12:32] <cpk2> or how about kaudiocreator?
[12:32] <Hawkwind> X-cd-roast is a CD burner
[12:32] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  guess that means it cant be done then. :P
[12:32] <Hawkwind> pierreth: You do realize you can do it in konqueror too.  Put the CD in the drive and navigate to audiocd:/ or media:/
[12:33] <skabner> dvd and cd burner
[12:33] <Hawkwind> skabner: Which isn't what he wants
[12:33] <skabner> it's included with Automatix
[12:33] <pierreth> Hawkwind: I want more than that. I want to add music to my collection
[12:33] <Hawkwind> skabner: He's wanting to get the files to his drive and/or an ipod
[12:33] <cpk2> does kubuntu come with kaudiocreator?
[12:33] <cpk2> that rips cds
[12:33] <skabner> ok! ...
[12:33] <Hawkwind> cpk2: You can install grip very easily
[12:34] <cpk2> Hawkwind: yes, but its even *easier* if something is already installed and in th kmenu
[12:36] <Hawkwind> cpk2: As I said, you can do it with konqueror
[12:37] <pierreth> I have started kAudioCreator, what encoder should I use
[12:37] <cpk2> Hawkwind: yeah, i suppose that might be easiest, but you would probably want something that looks up a cddb for track names and stuff as it rips
[12:37] <main2> what is the coolest linux program there is? :P
[12:38] <main2> (beside 'su' :o O_o :+ )
[12:39] <cpk2> is there a way to use kill to nicely stop a proc?
[12:39] <main2> yes
[12:39] <Hawkwind> cpk2: kill app or kill PID#
[12:39] <main2> kill is nice by default, because it sends a 'sigterm' signal
[12:40] <Hawkwind> It gets nasty when you start using -13 and -9
[12:40] <cpk2> and that lets the app clean up?
[12:40] <main2> if you wanne take down the process hard, use 'kill -9 pid'
[12:40] <cpk2> oh i know all about -9 =P
[12:40] <main2> cpk2: if its a good program, it should..
[12:40] <Hawkwind> Though -9 should only be used in a very last resort
[12:40] <Raul12> any short cut to view running processes
[12:40] <Hawkwind> Most apps don't ever require -9 or -13
[12:40] <Hawkwind> Raul12: top
[12:41] <Hawkwind> Raul12: Or even ps auxxxx
[12:41] <tonyr> To kill by appname, use pkill
[12:41] <KDEfanboy> Raul12: CTLR+ESC in KDE
[12:41] <Raul12> ok
[12:42] <Dr_willis> kill -9999999999999999
[12:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:43] <Raul12> which services can be terminated for memory savin
[12:43] <Raul12> :D
[12:43] <Dr_willis> kill --with-extreme-prejudice
[12:43] <Dr_willis> Raul12,  err.. the ones you dont use. :)
[12:43] <Raul12> extreme-prejudice  any software ??
[12:44] <Raul12> Dr_willis ??
[12:44] <Dr_willis> Raul12,  find services you dont need.. stop them
[12:44] <Dr_willis> but dont expect a lot of memory saving that way
[12:44] <Raul12> how to get information about running services ??
[12:45] <Dr_willis> if you are on a clean install.. then not a lot of services are running
[12:45] <Dr_willis> cd /etc/rc2.d/   - and see whats normally ran on your system
[12:45] <Raul12> still any way to get information on services
[12:45] <Dr_willis> for example i have a -->  S25bluez-utils that i dont really need
[12:46] <cpk2> right now gkrellm is reporting 205 procs =P
[12:47] <cpk2> top only says 100 total though
[12:47] <minerodoco> buenas, alguien puede ayudarme, please?
[12:47] <KDEfanboy> !es
[12:47] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:47] <Dr_willis> im showing 131 in gkrellm
[12:48] <Dr_willis> htop shows 103
[12:48] <Dr_willis> Tasks: 124 total,   2 running, 122 sleeping
[12:48] <cpk2> hrmm i think i might of had a memory leak
[12:49] <cpk2> my actual ram is almost full
[12:49] <Hawkwind> cpk2: All depends on how you're reading it
[12:49] <glj12> hiya all
[12:49] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Remember, linux handles RAM the complete opposite of Windows
[12:50] <glj12> i keep getting this error message when trying to update ANYTHING in adept: "There was an error commiting changes..." blah blah
[12:50] <cpk2> it says i have 36000k free
[12:50] <Arlington> whow is windows using it and how linux ise ot?
[12:50] <glj12> how do I fix that>
[12:50] <glj12> ?
[12:50] <cpk2> 26000 now =P
[12:50] <Dr_willis> when in doubt - use the ram as cache...
[12:50] <Hawkwind> cpk2: It's probably mostly cached, which is a good thing
[12:51] <glj12> Anyone?
[12:51] <Dr_willis> thats the linux way
[12:51] <glj12> arg, infuriating....
[12:51] <Hawkwind> cpk2: So the more you have cached, the faster things will run.  It only frees ram as it needs it
[12:51] <Arlington> glj12: what was the erro?
[12:51] <glj12> There was an error commiting changes.
[12:51] <glj12> the usual
[12:52] <cpk2> ah ok so i guess I am good with 807000k cached? =)
[12:52] <glj12> Arlington: do you need the full message? or isn't it fairly generic
[12:53] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Definitely
[12:53] <glj12> how about you hawkwind, have a chance to answer a generic error message? :P
[12:53] <cpk2> wonder why i have such a big disparity in procs reported by gkrellm and top
[12:53] <Hawkwind> glj12: I don't use adept, sorry
[12:53] <glj12> ok
[12:53] <Hawkwind> I use apt-get from the cli which is just known to work where as most GUI package managers don't, or have issues
[12:54] <Hawkwind> cpk2: gkrellm is always going to be off
[12:54] <shadowr3d> im back everyone
[12:54] <shadowr3d> hawkwind omg
[12:54] <glj12> let me give you that error message hawkwind
[12:54] <Hawkwind> cpk2: Just not by that far usually
[12:54] <shadowr3d> hello hawkwind
[12:54] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Hey
[12:55] <shadowr3d> remember me u helped me with my sound problem
[12:55] <cpk2> well i suppose it isnt really anything to be concerned with
[12:55] <Hawkwind> cpk2: For instance, my gkrellm shows 113 and top shows 103
[12:55] <shadowr3d> nevermind im meant wine problem
[12:55] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: I did ?
[12:55] <shadowr3d> yeah my wine problem
[12:55] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, yeah wine maybe.  I know very little about getting sound to work when it doesn't work :P
[12:55] <cpk2> glj12: you could try getting packages with apt-get
[12:55] <glj12> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase/kdebase-dev_3.5.2-0ubuntu27_i386.deb  Could not connect to localhost:4001 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[12:55] <glj12> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[12:55] <glj12> thats what it says with apt-get
[12:55] <cpk2> glj12: did you try both of those?
[12:55] <shadowr3d> you helped me manage repositries
[12:56] <Hawkwind> glj12: sudo apt-get update
[12:56] <glj12> i did
[12:56] <shadowr3d> no hawkind
[12:56] <Hawkwind> glj12: Can you paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us so we can see it
[12:56] <glj12> where is it
[12:56] <Hawkwind> glj12: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:56] <shadowr3d> only if they made a buddy list for konversation
[12:56] <menace_> !adept fix
[12:56] <shadowr3d> hawkwind will so be on it
[12:57] <ubotu> adept: package manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 3752 kB, installed size 10988 kB
[12:57] <menace_> how do i unlock adept? i can never remember the command
[12:57] <Hawkwind> !adept crash fix
[12:57] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:57] <shadowr3d> i like windows now
[12:57] <cpk2> shadowr3d: address book via konversation?
[12:57] <menace_> thank you hawkwind
[12:57] <Hawkwind> menace_: You're welcome
[12:57] <shadowr3d> huh
[12:57] <shadowr3d> cpk2 what do u mean
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> is there a way i can get a script to run automatically every hour or so?
[12:58] <cpk2> shadowr3d: add people to "friends" in konversation
[12:58] <shadowr3d> how do u do that
[12:58] <glj12> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/134
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i keep having to kill compiz because its got a memory leak and i'd like to just automate that to do it every hour
[12:58] <glj12> that right?
[12:58] <shadowr3d> please tell me
[12:58] <glj12> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/134
[12:58] <shadowr3d> please
[12:58] <cpk2> right click a name and go to address book associations
[12:58] <Hawkwind> glj12: Looking now
[12:58] <shadowr3d> ok
[12:58] <glj12> mmk
[12:59] <shadowr3d> ooooooh
[12:59] <Hawkwind> glj12: Hmm, all looks good there
[12:59] <glj12> yeah
[12:59] <Hawkwind> glj12: Can you run a sudo apt-get update   and then if there are any warnings/errors paste the entire thing to the http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[12:59] <menace_> libqt-perl-----java keeps asking if this is installed...would it be a good idea to install it?
[12:59] <shadowr3d> gtg
[12:59] <admin__> # xbins
[12:59] <glj12> ok
[12:59] <shadowr3d> i like windows now sorry kubuntu
[01:00] <admin__> why?
[01:00] <menace_> lol
[01:00] <admin__> kubuntu is amazing
[01:00] <shadowr3d> i havent used kubuntu in 4 months i think
[01:00] <windshear> Hello
[01:00] <windshear> If you use the install script and you have entered all the requested data you get to the -Ready to install- screen. This shows you the summary of the necessary info you provided to install kubuntu. (Language, Keyboard layout... till grub).
[01:00] <windshear> Then there is a note: If you continue, the changes listed below will be written to the disks. [...]
[01:00] <windshear> But unfortunately there are no changes listed below eventhough I told the script to format 2 partitions.
[01:00] <windshear> In 6.06 the changes were listed correctly.
[01:00] <admin__> hey
[01:00] <admin__> btw
[01:00] <shadowr3d> i finally got my sound to work in xp YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:00] <admin__> does anyone not how I can change channels in koversation?
[01:00] <shadowr3d> Goodbye hawkwind and everyone else
[01:00] <menace_> later shadow
[01:01] <admin__> byw
[01:01] <admin__> bye*
[01:01] <shadowr3d> type /list
[01:01] <shadowr3d> admin_
[01:01] <shadowr3d> type /list
[01:01] <admin__> thanxs
[01:01] <shadowr3d> no prob
[01:01] <admin__> im used to MIRC in windows
[01:01] <shadowr3d> o
[01:01] <shadowr3d> never heard of it
[01:01] <glj12> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/135
[01:01] <pierreth> Dr_willis: My extraction is on the way
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> admin__, /join?
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> or click on the channel
[01:02] <shadowr3d> gtg i have dentist appointment im getting my teeth cleaned
[01:02] <Hawkwind> glj12: Ok, here's what you need to do
[01:02] <shadowr3d> yaahoooo
[01:02] <glj12> yay, k
[01:02] <shadowr3d> goodbye
[01:02] <Hawkwind> glj12: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:02] <admin__> thats for servers
[01:02] <Hawkwind> glj12: Replace kwrite with your favorite editor of choice of course
[01:02] <admin__> im talking about channels buddy
[01:02] <shadowr3d> see ya hawkwind
[01:03] <shadowr3d> hawkwind?
[01:03] <Hawkwind> glj12: Then on the sources that have us.archive.ubuntu.com make it just archive.ubuntu.com
[01:03] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: See ya
[01:03] <shadowr3d> yay'
[01:03] <shadowr3d> bye
[01:03] <admin__> darn
[01:03] <admin__> i cant find one called efnet?
[01:04] <admin__> nay ideas?
[01:04] <glj12> ok, cool
[01:04] <admin__> any8
[01:04] <glj12> trying that now
[01:04] <Hawkwind> admin__: What are you looking for exactly ?
[01:04] <glj12> nope, same thing
[01:04] <glj12> brb
[01:04] <Hawkwind> glj12: Did you edit the file ?
[01:04] <Hawkwind> glj12: If so, then you need to do a sudo apt-get update for it to pull down the new information
[01:05] <admin__> guys
[01:05] <admin__> any help here?
[01:05] <cpk2> admin__: /list is only going to show you channels on the servers you are connected to
[01:05] <glj12> yeah
[01:05] <glj12> i did all that
[01:05] <glj12> i got the same errors
[01:05] <admin__> so how can I connect to more?
[01:05] <Hawkwind> admin__: What are you looking for exactly ?
[01:05] <Hawkwind> glj12: Then you probably didn't save the file
[01:05] <glj12> i replaced all, (8 instances)
[01:05] <admin__> efnet
[01:05] <glj12> i did..
[01:05] <Arlington> !christmas
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about christmas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <glj12> ctrl s
[01:06] <glj12> and pressed save button
[01:06] <cpk2> admin__: same way you connected to freenode
[01:06] <Hawkwind> admin__: http://efnet.org and look on their site
[01:06] <Arlington> goodnight folks
[01:06] <Hawkwind> glj12: You did edit it as sudo/root, correct ?
[01:06] <Hawkwind> glj12: Open the file again and make sure your changes took place
[01:06] <glj12> i copied and pasted what you had said to type
[01:06] <glj12> i just did
[01:07] <glj12> just checked again
[01:07] <Hawkwind> glj12: You opened the file again and the us.  part is gone ?
[01:07] <glj12> yes..
[01:07] <Hawkwind> glj12: Run sudo apt-get update  again and paste it all to the pastebin
[01:07] <glj12> ok
[01:07] <admin__> thanx
[01:07] <admin__> i got it i think
[01:07] <glj12> h/o, need to get a connection elsewhere, brb
[01:08] <glj12> back
[01:08] <glj12> mmmk
[01:09] <glj12> let me repaste it there for ya bud
[01:10] <glj12> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/136
[01:12] <glj12> ??
[01:12] <glj12> am i even connected
[01:12] <Skrot> yes
[01:12] <glj12> oh cool
[01:13] <Skrot> Are you using a proxy or something?
[01:13] <glj12> no
[01:13] <glj12> i just disconnected
[01:13] <glj12> and i can never tell when i am on or not
[01:13] <glj12> =/
[01:14] <Skrot> I was thinking about the paste ;)
[01:14] <glj12> so uh... Hawkwind, ya there?
[01:14] <glj12> heh
[01:14] <Skrot> Wondering why it tries to connect localost:4001
[01:14] <NotWired> if i've installed kubuntu from a base ubuntu install, is there an easy way to remove all the ubuntu / gnome related libs and apps i don't need?
[01:14] <glj12> mmmm
[01:14] <BonBonTheJon> NotWired: yes, google for kubuntu pure kde, I have seen a site about it
[01:15] <NotWired> thank you BonBonTheJon!
[01:16] <pierreth> how can I encode my music to I can read it on an ipod?
[01:17] <glj12> Hawkwind dissapeared. :(((\
[01:17] <pierreth> the free audio formats are not supported
[01:17] <BonBonTheJon> pierreth: you can rip to mp3
[01:18] <zorglu_> woiw i love the internet :)
[01:18] <pierreth> BonBonTheJon: I do not have this choice with KAudioCreator
[01:18] <shadowr3d> how do i erase kubuntu
[01:18] <shadowr3d> ubotu erase kubuntu
[01:18] <BonBonTheJon> pierreth: make sure to install lame (liblame?), it handles mp3's
[01:18] <zorglu_> i need to learn about doing business, and i dont.... but... standford makes video and audio of course about this :) that i can listen to for free from my home
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about erase kubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <zorglu_> how nice if this internet
[01:19] <zorglu_> HTANKS JOHN POSTEL
[01:19] <shadowr3d> anyone know how to delete kubuntu
[01:19] <Hawkwind> glj12: It appears you don't have a net connection on that box or something is messed up somewhere
[01:19] <zorglu_> all repeat after me :)
[01:19] <glj12> i vote for second idea
[01:19] <shadowr3d> anyone at all
[01:19] <glj12> considering the fact that I am talking to you.
[01:19] <shadowr3d> please help me
[01:19] <shadowr3d> please
[01:19] <Hawkwind> glj12: Can you ping the URL ?
[01:19] <glj12> it happens at home as well.
[01:19] <glj12> um, h/o
[01:19] <shadowr3d> please
[01:19] <BonBonTheJon> shadowr3d: what do you mean delete kubuntu, completely delete it, or just remove kde
[01:19] <glj12> whats the addy
[01:20] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Please relax a little bit.  When someone can help you they will
[01:20] <Dr_willis> hmm
[01:20] <shadowr3d> delete it from this computer
[01:20] <Hawkwind> shadowr3d: Install another OS over top of it
[01:20] <shadowr3d> ok sorry
[01:20] <glj12> Hawkwind: I can ping it.
[01:20] <Dr_willis> nothing like a vague question demanded to be answered. :P
[01:20] <BonBonTheJon> shadowr3d: delete the linux partitions
[01:20] <shadowr3d> i dont really have time to install winxp all over again
[01:20] <Dr_willis> shadowr3d,  you mean totally remove linux then ?
[01:20] <shadowr3d> yes
[01:20] <shadowr3d> how
[01:20] <Hawkwind> glj12: Why is it trying to connect to localhost all the time ?
[01:20] <glj12> how should I know. =/
[01:21] <BonBonTheJon> shadowr3d: if you delete kubuntu, do you have another OS installed
[01:21] <glj12> i am on a college connection atm
[01:21] <glj12> does that mean anything?
[01:21] <glj12> no vpn though
[01:21] <Hawkwind> glj12: Something is messed up in your network settings I'm afraid
[01:21] <Dr_willis> boot the xp cd. use its rescue mode  and the 'fixboot' and 'fixmbr' commands to remove the grub loader. then fdisk and delete the linux partitions
[01:21] <glj12> damnit.
[01:21] <shadowr3d> yes
[01:21] <shadowr3d> i have xp
[01:22] <shadowr3d> have to brush my teeth nevermind its ok
[01:22] <Dr_willis> then repartition/format the drives to be whatever filesystem you want.
[01:22] <shadowr3d> im a noob
[01:22] <shadowr3d> sorry i wouldnt know what u would be talking about
[01:22] <pierreth> BonBonTheJon: OK, I am installing
[01:22] <shadowr3d> ill leave it on
[01:22] <shadowr3d> i like it still
[01:22] <shadowr3d> ok
[01:22] <Dr_willis> 1) remove grub with fixmbr/fixboot  2) use whatever partioning tools you like to delete the partitions
[01:22] <shadowr3d> thnx anyways
[01:23] <shadowr3d> ill remeber that
[01:23] <shadowr3d> next time i have time to delete it
[01:23] <shadowr3d> ok
[01:23] <shadowr3d> goodbye
[01:23] <craig_> hello
[01:24] <Dr_willis> bed time for anyone else? :)
[01:24] <Hawkwind> Wow, what a character
[01:24] <Dr_willis> yea.. seen sevarl like that today
[01:24] <Dr_willis> sort of odd...
[01:24] <Hawkwind> He's like that everytime he comes in
[01:24] <Hawkwind> Starting to think he's sort of trolling in ways
[01:25] <Dr_willis> or a very hyper 12 yr old.
[01:25] <craig_> anyway a kubuntu could release a proprietary driver version?
[01:25] <Hawkwind> Hah.  Maybe a combination of both
[01:28] <Admiral_Chicago> craig_, ?
[01:28] <jammer_> anyone have compiz working?(kubuntu dapper and kde)
[01:29] <pierreth> BonBonTheJon: Can I add aac instead?
[01:30] <craig_> de craig
[01:30] <Admiral_Chicago> jammer_, i do
[01:30] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu edgy
[01:30] <Admiral_Chicago> if you need help ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:31] <jammer_> k, thatnk you Admiral_Chicago, i do need help - having trouble getting them installed
[01:34] <craig_> i'd love to see a Kubuntu version with XGL and Nvidia standard
[01:38] <Dr_willis> well if Nvidia would quit being such jerks. :)
[01:39] <craig_> jerks why?
[01:40] <MotorCityMadMan> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-27-386 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMDAthlon643400+ at 2210 MHz (4426 bogomips), , RAM: 391/1518MB, 104 proc's, 11.50min up
[01:41] <MotorCityMadMan> Random Fortune: Anyone who thinks UNIX is intuitive should be forced to write 5000 lines of  code using nothing but vi or emacs. AAAAACK! 	-- Discussion on the intuitiveness of commands, especially Emacs
[01:41] <NotWired> vi rules!
[01:43] <nblit> <<good evening, can anyone assist with a wifi problem?>>>
[01:43] <MotorCityMadMan> !wifi
[01:43] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:43] <nblit> been there
[01:44] <fannagoganna> i was wondering if anyone has gotten google talk to work with kopete on KDE?
[01:44] <fannagoganna> i am using Kubuntu 5.10
[01:44] <craig_> ok can anyone point me to where i find how to make kubunto see my windows drive?
[01:44] <NotWired> yes fannagoganna, i'm doing that
[01:44] <Dr_willis> Defacto NTFS (and works for Vfat as well) guide for your Fstab/mounting of NTFS partitions -->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[01:45] <fannagoganna> sorry, by google talk i meant the phone calls from other gtalk users
[01:45] <Dr_willis> read there craig_  :) and bookmark that.
[01:45] <NotWired> oh, no... sorry then fannagoganna
[01:45] <nblit> any takers on the wifi problem?????  going once
[01:45] <fannagoganna> how about a more generic sipphone? Has anyone gotten one to work?
[01:45] <craig_> rgr
[01:46] <nblit> any takers on the wifi problem?????  going twice
[01:46] <nblit> need assistance
[01:46] <nblit> plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[01:46] <Dr_willis> totally depends on the chipset.... :)
[01:46] <Dr_willis> and then ya got the 'how the #&@&@ do i configure it now"  step 2
[01:46] <Dr_willis> !network-manager
[01:46] <ubotu> networkmanager is an application to make (wireless) networking Just Work. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[01:47] <nblit> De_willis i installed it and it does not see my card
[01:47] <snook353> what is a good dictionary for kde?
[01:47] <MotorCityMadMan> webster
[01:47] <snook353> i miss stardict :(
[01:48] <mabreaux> nblit: install "hwinfo" and run the command "hwinfo --netcard"
[01:48] <nblit> Dr_willis when i rght clck network-manager it says "no network devices have been found"
[01:50] <nblit> mabreaux: what next?
[01:50] <enzo_> Can downloading torrents cause issues?
[01:51] <nblit> enzo_ yes it causes headaces and pnumonia
[01:51] <enzo_> There is something wrong with the torrents I'm getting or something because I seem to lose my GRUB every so often after using Ktorrent
[01:51] <nblit> LOL
[01:51] <nblit> mabreaux: i have the info are we looking for anything in particular??
[01:52] <Dr_willis> nblit,  then you are at step #1 - getting the card working.
[01:52] <Dr_willis> enzo_,  torrents shouldent be affecting grub.. at all..
[01:52] <nblit> Dr_willis: the card is working
[01:52] <Dr_willis> not much should be affecting grub.
[01:53] <nblit> Dr_willis: it just wont do any encryption
[01:53] <Dr_willis> nblit,  no clue then.. prove its working..  read up on the other configuration tools I guess.
[01:53] <Dr_willis> nblit,  cant even do wep eh>?
[01:53] <nblit> Dr_willis: iwlist [card name]  scan shows me the network
[01:53] <Dr_willis> now you got the problem clarified and refined at least. :P
[01:54] <nblit> Dr_willis: when i disable encryption on my wrt54gs with dd-wrt i get an ip address
[01:54] <nblit> Dr_willis: its only when i try to use WEP or WPA the darn thing does not get an IP address
[01:55] <nblit> Dr_willis: any thoughts?
[01:55] <Dr_willis> nblit,  possibially you are just geting the info entered wrong.. seems to me that some router makers use the various wireless terms a bit loosely.
[01:56] <Dr_willis> for example  one calls a  64bit key a 40 bit key
[01:56] <Dr_willis> another called the key a 64bit hexdecimal key.. or a 64bit ascii key..
[01:56] <enzo_> Dr_willis, I'm getting screwed by it
[01:56] <enzo_> no more GRUB... and apparently no more HDD
[01:56] <nblit> Dr_willis: are you familiar with the dd-wrt firmware for linksys wrt54gs?
[01:56] <Dr_willis>  i was entering my key in the ascii area when i needed it in the hexidecimal area.
[01:57] <Dr_willis> I got a Linksys Mini router.
[01:57] <Dr_willis>  not sure if its the same or not
[01:57] <nblit> Dr_willis: well i burnt a linux os to my linksys router
[01:57] <Dr_willis> WRT54GC - is what i got.
[01:57] <nblit> Dr_willis: called dd-wrt
[01:57] <Dr_willis> I hgad a wrt54gs and it kept dropping the signal.. so i took it back. :P
[01:58] <Dr_willis> really ticked me off.
[01:58] <nblit> Dr_willis: do u have the linksys web pages?
[01:58] <nblit> Dr_willis: well if you wouls have used dd-wrt os for the device you wouls not have returned it
[01:59] <nblit> Dr_Willis: check this out >> http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php
[02:00] <soulrider> err, im trying ot empty my garbage bin
[02:00] <soulrider> but it wont free up any space
[02:00] <soulrider> and it needs to free up space
[02:02] <enzo_> HDD is cold
[02:02] <enzo_> :/
[02:02] <enzo_> ???
[02:02] <Dr_willis> the extent of my wireless needs are minimal.. 1 machine.
[02:02] <soulrider> ?
[02:02] <enzo_> GRUB is back
[02:03] <Dr_willis> one machine thats rarely needed to be on the wireless network. :)
[02:03] <Dr_willis> I did put linux on my NSLU2 unit. :)
[02:03] <soulrider> NSLU2 ?
[02:03] <enzo_> Dr_willis, from your level of expertice (sp) would you say that I need a new HDD or that I may have a conflict with the way I have Kubuntu setup?
[02:04] <Dr_willis> enzo_,  sounding like a HD issue
[02:04] <Dr_willis>  NSLU2 - a 'fileserver' that uses external usb drives.
[02:04] <Dr_willis> Neat little toy.
[02:04] <enzo_> can the live cd reimage everything as I have it on another HDD if I got a replacement?
[02:05] <Dr_willis> reimage?
[02:05] <enzo_> MotorCityMadMan, I'm listening to More Human Than Human (Meet Bambi in the King's Harem) from the Covenant soundtrack on my mp3 player
[02:07] <enzo_> I want to copy everything that I have on my 250GB HDD to a bigger HDD
[02:07] <Dr_willis> tar can do that with the right options..
[02:07] <Dr_willis> or just install the 2nd hd. and move /home to it. :) simplier
[02:07] <enzo_> but I have hda1 as winxp and hda6 as Kubuntu
[02:08] <Dr_willis> moving from hda6 to hdb1 - will take a few changed in the various files. like fstab and grubs boot menus
[02:09] <enzo_> newbie question, but I wanna know... If I move /home  what will happen to everything that I have in my other locations ( /usr )
[02:09] <enzo_> I mean such things as my games, installs, etc
[02:09] <Dr_willis> nothing.. you moved /home
[02:10] <Dr_willis> the system wont even notice the differance if you do it right.
[02:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:10] <Dr_willis> neither will the users
[02:10] <enzo_> but the other things would still be on hda
[02:10] <enzo_> and I'm getting rid of hda all together, right?
[02:12] <ace> hello can someone help explain to me how to edit the grub menu when my computer boots up
[02:12] <ace> ?
[02:13] <enzo_> ace, open up the run command and type    kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:13] <soulrider> err, i need some help
[02:14] <soulrider> i had some free space, i deleted 2 DVDs
[02:14] <Dr_willis> enzo_,  totally NOT...
[02:14] <soulrider> they wer eon another partition
[02:14] <Dr_willis> enzo_,  you are moving /home to the other hard drive
[02:14] <soulrider> but now its like they movied to my root
[02:14] <Dr_willis> enzo_,  thats it.
[02:14] <soulrider> and i cant free that space
[02:14] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  look in the .trash dirs?  whever they are at...
[02:14] <enzo_> I want to get rid of the HDD that I have now
[02:15] <soulrider> but my trash sais its empty
[02:15] <Dr_willis> enzo_,  why?
[02:15] <Dr_willis> more hds are more fun
[02:15] <Dr_willis> and can give better performance
[02:15] <enzo_> bad HDD
[02:15] <tackat> Somebody willing to try the instructions in my blog http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2429 with Kubuntu?
[02:15] <enzo_> I have 3
[02:15] <enzo_> This one in particular is not doing its job
[02:16] <enzo_> at least not at the same level of performance as before
[02:16] <Dr_willis> enzo_,  id reinstall to the new HD.. and copy the /home over to it then..  however removing/adding hd's can confuse grubs config
[02:16] <enzo_> Done it already
[02:16] <Dr_willis> if you are sure that hd is going bad.
[02:17] <enzo_> seems that way, doesn't it?
[02:17] <soulrider> can i use * as a wildcard in seach >
[02:17] <soulrider> ?
[02:17] <Dr_willis> what search?
[02:18] <soulrider> searching for a .trash folder
[02:18] <soulrider> because kde sais my trash is empty
[02:18] <Dr_willis> i did locate .trash
[02:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:18] <soulrider> only get kmail
[02:18] <soulrider> and unused
[02:18] <soulrider> but its a .trash file
[02:19] <Dr_willis> could use some of those 'file size' viewer addons and see what dirs are so huge
[02:20] <soulrider> like what tool
[02:20] <soulrider> i dont know any =(
[02:20] <snook353> Chcfuk22
[02:21] <Dr_willis> i got one in the kde menus under the views..
[02:21] <Dr_willis> not sure what installed it.. or if its in by default
[02:21] <infornography> Can someone help me with my resolution and refresh rate? I want 1024x768@75Hz. I added the modeline "Modeline "1024x768" 81.54  1024 1064 1168 1352   768  768  770  804 -HSync +VSync" to the monitor section of my xorg.conf file, but when I restart x, nothing happens.
[02:21] <Dr_willis> theres about 3 differn tones i know of.
[02:22] <Dr_willis> RadialMapView, FilesizeView.. and one other.. that i never can rember
[02:22] <Dr_willis> filelight is another
[02:23] <Dr_willis> must be a few more out there that i cant rember
[02:25] <cpk2> infornography: when nothing happens you mean you cant select it from the gui?
[02:25] <infornography> Yeah exactly, it's not selectable
[02:26] <soulrider> god that app rocks!
[02:26] <soulrider> and friggin KDe didnt delete lots of stuff i deleted a long time ago
[02:26] <cpk2> infornography: sometimes you dont need a whole modeline you can just add a mode
[02:26] <soulrider> what an awesome app filelight is
[02:27] <cpk2> infornography: were there already modelines in xorg?
[02:28] <soulrider> doe shte red represent my trash Dr_willis ?
[02:28] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  not sure. :P
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Heh
[02:28] <Dr_willis> your trashcan icon is showing empty eh?
[02:28] <infornography> cpk2: You mean the modes in the screen section? There are seceral of those, one for each colour depth. But they don't mention the refresh rate
[02:29] <soulrider> i cant believe this, my trash is 14 gb!!!
[02:29] <KrAmMeR_> ok
[02:29] <KrAmMeR_> so i still cant play music
[02:29] <KrAmMeR_> : (
[02:29] <MotorCityMadMan> how to clean orphaned files kubuntu ?
[02:30] <soulrider> Dr_willis: aparently this doesnt delete anything, it just moves it
[02:30] <Dr_willis> orphaned?
[02:30] <soulrider> how am i supposed to actually erase everything
[02:30] <MotorCityMadMan> old, usless files
[02:30] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  never noticed the problem.   mine deletes stuff
[02:30] <MotorCityMadMan> !orphan
[02:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about orphan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:30] <cpk2> infornography: it will hopefully use 75Hz, just add "1024x768" into the color depth you use
[02:30] <soulrider> 14 gb of trash in my system
[02:30] <soulrider> tells eme mine doesnt :P
[02:31] <Dr_willis> PEBKAC :)
[02:31] <soulrider> if i use rm it will not use the trahs right >
[02:31] <soulrider> it will actually delete
[02:31] <Dr_willis> correct
[02:31] <soulrider> ok
[02:31] <soulrider> im gonna start deleting with rm then
[02:31] <MotorCityMadMan> !clean
[02:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:31] <soulrider> can i use * as a wildcard in rm ?
[02:31] <infornography> cp2k: It's already present in all the colour depths
[02:32] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  i think you REALLY should read up a few bash tutorials and how the wildcards work..befor you totally trash the system
[02:32] <cpk2> infornography: and you cant use 1024x768@75hz?
[02:32] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  such a question is a scary one the way you phrased it. :P
[02:32] <Dr_willis> and * does work
[02:33] <cpk2> soulrider: if you press shift delete it will delete with out using trash in gui
[02:33] <infornography> I can select from anything up to 1280x1024. But always at 60Hz. My monitors ideal setting is 85Hz, but I prefer 70
[02:33] <soulrider> ahh, cool
[02:33] <soulrider> thanks cpk2
[02:33] <infornography> 70*
[02:33] <soulrider> yea
[02:33] <infornography> 75*
[02:33] <soulrider> iim a bit dangerous witht he CLI :P
[02:33] <MotorCityMadMan> maybe this will work: sudo apt-get autoclean
[02:33] <Dr_willis> i tend to just 'empty the trash :)
[02:33] <Dr_willis> that deletes it.
[02:34] <cpk2> infornography: I dunno, i gave up trying to get my monitor to use something higher than 1024x768 because it only used 85hz and it hurt my eyes
[02:34] <MotorCityMadMan> mabe sudo apt-get autoclean --thehouse
[02:35] <MotorCityMadMan> or --backofthehouse
[02:35] <poseidon> motorcitymadman: but you'd have to do sudo apt-get install robo-maid first.
[02:36] <MotorCityMadMan> mabe sudo apt-get autoclean --dogpoop
[02:36] <infornography> Yeah it's frustrating. It worked perfectly in Slackware using this exact method. Makes no sense to me
[02:36] <poseidon> sudo apt-get remove dog
[02:36] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get  me a beer
[02:36] <MotorCityMadMan> sudo apt-get run --cat
[02:37] <poseidon> sudo apt-get install 30tb-hardrive 50gb-ram
[02:38] <menace> When i click the frostwire icon to try to open it, it starts off like its gonna run...then it just stops trying....it wont run....i have the same problem with adept, how can i fix this?
[02:39] <MotorCityMadMan> menace: increase priority
[02:39] <menace> how?
[02:39] <MotorCityMadMan> make it the top dog
[02:39] <menace> i know that dude
[02:39] <menace> but how can i do it!?
[02:40] <MotorCityMadMan> inter into run and look for priority increase
[02:40] <menace> that makes no sense.
[02:40] <menace> how do you enter into run?
[02:41] <MotorCityMadMan> icon right click
[02:41] <bimberi> man renice
[02:41] <menace> thanks motor
[02:41] <menace> bimberi: ?
[02:41] <MotorCityMadMan> menace: work ?
[02:42] <menace> im working on it
[02:42] <bimberi> menace: nvm - that's the cli way ;)
[02:42] <MotorCityMadMan> or run in shell
[02:43] <Celeste> hi
[02:43] <menace> it still isnt working
[02:44] <MotorCityMadMan> menace: right clk/put into run dialog/options
[02:44] <Celeste> Does anyone of you know a _really_ cool KDE desktop (maybe a screenshot) and how to make it?
[02:44] <Celeste> I have no idea how it could look like,  but all my friends at work should say WOW we also want to get linux
[02:44] <Celeste> it should look damn sexy
[02:44] <Celeste> just a great desktop
[02:45] <Dr_willis> kde-look.org has screenshots of various themes/setups
[02:45] <Dr_willis> and live cd's are very handy for testing things out
[02:46] <menace> i did motor
[02:46] <MotorCityMadMan> super grub iso 4MB http://adrian15.raulete.net/grub/tiki-index.php
[02:46] <menace> and i put the priority to full
[02:47] <MotorCityMadMan> menace: is RAM low by chance ?
[02:47] <menace> 256
[02:47] <menace> but it just started this
[02:48] <menace> and i only have konq, armarok,and konversation up
[02:49] <MotorCityMadMan> i have every program running and my sys is smoking
[02:49] <menace> lol
[02:49] <MotorCityMadMan> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-27-386 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMDAthlon643400+ at 2210 MHz (4426 bogomips), , RAM: 921/1518MB, 110 proc's, 1.21h up
[02:49] <menace> wow
[02:50] <menace> i with i knew more about amd
[02:50] <menace> the only amd i used was 8 years ago
[02:50] <menace> and i was 7 then so i dont remember much about it
[02:50] <fatejudger> so what exactly does Zeroconf do?
[02:50] <menace> it was like 300mhz
[02:50] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  heh - ive seen that also.. not sure what the heck its for.
[02:50] <fatejudger> I know it's supposed to do things like detect network printers
[02:50] <fatejudger> and ssh servers
[02:50] <fatejudger> and ftp servers
[02:50] <Dr_willis> or open ports on routers  Perhaps?
[02:51] <fatejudger> but I can't really get it to do anything
[02:51] <Dr_willis> no wait - thats Upnp
[02:51] <fatejudger> I know Apple's implementation, Bonjour, allows people to connect printers to their mac and have it automatically set up on the network
[02:51] <fatejudger> but as far as I know, my Kubuntu PC does nothing liket hat
[02:52] <fatejudger> * like that
[02:52] <BonBonTheJon> anyone know how to extract audio from a .mov file
[02:52] <MotorCityMadMan> menace: i have a 10GB swap | maybe adding more swap my help your machine
[02:52] <Dr_willis> the ubuntu devs sort of HATE that idea of anything auto going out to the network.. they like the systems to be as locked down as it can.. so they may have tuff disavled for zeroconf
[02:53] <Dr_willis> http://zeroconf.sourceforge.net/
[02:53] <Dr_willis> lets read up on it. :)
[02:53] <menace> swap is memory on a harddrive used as ram right...or is that shadowing ram?
[02:53] <CaptainMorgan> if startx returns the errror: XIO: fatal IO error 104 and restartx is a command not found.. an ctrl-alt-bs doesn't do anything... what do I do? (after the login screen it goes to a failsafe terminal or the whole screen is black with only a command prompt)
[02:53] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: well they did some nice additions to network config for Zeroconf in Edgy
[02:53] <Dr_willis> menace,  unused stuff in ram gets swapped to the hd. then swapped back when needed (i think)
[02:53] <Dr_willis> It is important to understand that the purpose of zeroconf is not solely to make current personal computer networking easier to use, though this is certainly a useful benefit. The long-term goal of zeroconf is to enable the creation of entirely new kinds of networked products,
[02:54] <menace> ok, i have an 80gig harddrive for linux. how can i check how much swap i have?
[02:54] <Dr_willis> 'free' command
[02:55] <MotorCityMadMan> menace: kinfocenter
[02:55] <Dr_willis> did you make a swap partition?  :)
[02:55] <fatejudger> why can't we have cool functions on Zeroconf like Bonjour has
[02:55] <fatejudger> I want my easily connected network printers
[02:55] <menace> unless the initial installation did it, i dont have a swap partition
[02:55] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  i cant even figrure out what all its doing..
[02:55] <fatejudger> it doesn't matter if I already know how to set them up, it's the cool factor that matters
[02:55] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  cups works very well for me in that area
[02:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:56] <Dr_willis> but the Ubuntu guys sort of have cups locked down.
[02:56] <fatejudger> I'm tired of network printers
[02:56] <fatejudger> Windows never wants to detect CUPS run printers
[02:56] <fatejudger> or print servers
[02:56] <Dr_willis> i got a whole.. 1 network printer..
[02:56] <fatejudger> or anything for that matter
[02:56] <Dr_willis> My printserver shares the printer as a Samba printer also. :P
[02:57] <CaptainMorgan> anyone?
[02:58] <Hawkwind> trappist: You around yet ?
[02:59] <Dr_willis> CaptainMorgan,  ive NEVER heard of 'restartx' --  'startx' yes.. but not 'restartx'
[02:59] <CaptainMorgan> Dr_willis, yes, but startx returns that error
[02:59] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: I have THE most trouble sharing Samba stuff
[03:00] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: and the Ubuntu devels refuse to allow anonymous network browsing
[03:00] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  it can be tricky.. but ive messed with it so much - ive learned all the tricks
[03:00] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: they try and extol the virtues of password protecting your shares
[03:00] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  edit the samba.conf - do what you want
[03:00] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: yeah, it SOUNDS easy
[03:00] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  :) i do it all the time..
[03:00] <Dr_willis> that 'using samba' book thats avial online. is about the only samba referance ive read.
[03:00] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: bah, samba.conf is like my ex-girlfriend, annoying and tempermental
[03:00] <Dr_willis> and a LOT of time spent twiddling with the samba.conf file
[03:01] <Dr_willis> i rarely hae problems with it.. i slapped it down a few too many times
[03:01] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: I think I'm going to buy one of those fancy printers with built-in print servers anyway
[03:02] <fatejudger> I love those things
[03:02] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  i got a $30 printserver adaptor for my old laser parrallelport printer.
[03:02] <Dr_willis> dlink is the brand..works ok.
[03:02] <Dr_willis> once i learned the right info to put into the gnome/kde printer config tools
[03:02] <fatejudger> I work at Best Buy, so I get a discount on those fancy wireless print server things from Linksys
[03:02] <Dr_willis> ip# and port 9100  - and away it goes
[03:03] <fatejudger> but those printers are pretty tempting
[03:03] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  so you get them at the cost that i can go somewhere OTHER then B.B and get them.. :P
[03:03] <Dr_willis> B.B here in town - is such a rip-off its nasty.. sad to say.
[03:03] <Dr_willis> and tell your boss's i said that. :)
[03:05] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: heh, it's not really that bad
[03:05] <fatejudger> Dr_willis: except for USB cables
[03:05] <CaptainMorgan> no one?
[03:06] <Dr_willis> fatejudger,  it depends on the item.. but just last week.. they had a DVD-DL burner.. that was 2x the cost i could get it elseware.. :P
[03:06] <Dr_willis> It pays to watch for sales. :P
[03:06] <fatejudger> yeah
[03:06] <fatejudger> they have them all the time
[03:06] <Dr_willis> I did manage to get 2 rebates on my laptop from there.
[03:06] <fatejudger> we don't do rebates
[03:06] <Dr_willis>  and they had a much nicer return policy
[03:06] <fatejudger> at least not on computers
[03:07] <fatejudger> yeah, our return policy is amazingly nice
[03:07] <Dr_willis> They had them when i got my laptop.. and HP had one also.. so i got 2 :)
[03:07] <Dr_willis> then it broke..  returned it.. got a new.. and new rebate forms.. sent them in again! :)
[03:07] <fatejudger> I've had customers return $1500 desktop systems, just because they "didn't have good luck with it"
[03:07] <Dr_willis> heh. :)
[03:07] <fatejudger> and exchanged it with the exact same computer
[03:07] <fatejudger> the exact same one
[03:08] <fatejudger> no joke
[03:08] <Dr_willis> Lol. :)
[03:08] <fatejudger> there was nothing wrong with the original one
[03:08] <Dr_willis> its a "built on monday' computer.
[03:08] <Dr_willis> I had a stroke of bad luck with my prev laptop..
[03:08] <fatejudger> so now they have the same computer, and we have open box items
[03:08] <fatejudger> something broke?
[03:08] <Dr_willis> #1 had bad NIC conector.. #2.. the Hinges kept breakng...  got a different brand.. it SUCKED for linux..  first was great...
[03:09] <Dr_willis> took IT back..  wanted my $$ back.. got stuck with the restocking fee..  so for $100 or so i 'rented' a laptop for over a year.
[03:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:09] <Dr_willis> Then realized they  managed to give me extra rebates..
[03:10] <Dr_willis> and dident charge me for some acessories.
[03:10] <Dr_willis> *doh* heh heh
[03:10] <Dr_willis> GOt a Little Turion Based Compaq laptop here now.. its decent at linux.
[03:11] <fatejudger> lol
[03:11] <fatejudger> compaqs suck...
[03:11] <Dr_willis> everything sucks in one way or another.
[03:11] <fatejudger> eh, I'd be more inclined to buy a Toshiba or HP
[03:11] <Dr_willis> $500 laptop..
[03:11] <fatejudger> shit dude
[03:11] <Dr_willis> i dont expect much..
[03:11] <Dr_willis> it does its job.
[03:11] <fatejudger> are you really that poor that you can't pay an extra 200 bucks and get something much better?
[03:12] <Dr_willis> It was More.. $500 was price after all the rebates
[03:12] <Dr_willis> or coruse its also a 1 1/2 years old now.
[03:12] <Dr_willis> one of the first Turions out
[03:12] <Dr_willis> its lasted longer then my other laptops so far.
[03:12] <fatejudger> we had a Toshiba Core Duo with a gig of RAM on sale for 729 the other week
[03:13] <fatejudger> that's probably the best deal I've ever seen there
[03:13] <Dr_willis> this was befor core duos were even  known :)
[03:13] <fatejudger> heh
[03:13] <Dr_willis> im seeing advertised laptops with 12+ hrs battery life now.
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Laptops and notebooks come and go like flies at a garbage dump, sometimes with less apparent reason than the flies.
[03:13] <fatejudger> I'm just waiting for those Core 2 Duos to become cheaper before I go and blow 1k on one
[03:13] <Dr_willis> ----> artical on laptops at -->  http://www.mobilityguru.com/2006/10/02/who_designed_the_latest_model/
[03:14] <Dr_willis> i dont plan on getting another laptop for some time
[03:14] <fatejudger> I've got this shitty Dell laptop right now
[03:14] <fatejudger> the battery lasts a whopping 40 minutes
[03:14] <fatejudger> by the time the damn thing boots up, its battery is almost half dead
[03:14] <Dr_willis> Lol. thts my old HP HUGE laptop with a 9700 video card...  and 16 lb weight.
[03:15] <Dr_willis> I went 'lighter' this time.. about  7 lbs  i think
[03:15] <fatejudger> I just use the computers at my college's library now
[03:15] <fatejudger> with a USB flash drive in hand
[03:15] <fatejudger> and my copy of OO.o installed
[03:15] <fatejudger> I bet I could even boot Linux off of it
[03:15] <menace> whats OO.o?
[03:16] <Dr_willis> openoffice.org
[03:16] <menace> ok
[03:17] <fatejudger> I'm just waiting for KOffice to get ported over to Windows
[03:17] <fatejudger> that'll be the day
[03:18] <fatejudger> probably the same damn day Amarok is ported
[03:18] <foo> hm, my sound stopped working. Any ideas? I tried to restart alsa-utils but that didn't do anything. lsof|grep dsp returned nothing. hmm
[03:19] <foo> Hawkwind: help me!
[03:20] <Hawkwind> foo:  I thought you ran Ubuntu and not Kubuntu :P
[03:20] <foo> Hawkwind: f ubuntu
[03:20] <Hawkwind> Huh ?
[03:20] <foo> Hawkwind: What I said
[03:20] <CaptainMorgan> is there dual monitor support for K/Ubuntu?
[03:20] <foo> f ubuntu.
[03:21] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: F ubuntu he said as in fudge ubuntu
[03:21] <foo> oh, err... no
[03:21] <foo> Fluxbox ...
[03:21] <foo> Fluxbox Ubuntu :P
[03:21] <Hawkwind> CaptainMorgan: Certainly.  I'm using Nvidia and TwinView right now
[03:21] <gnomefreak> oh
[03:21] <foo> Ah, no, I didn't mean it that way
[03:21] <Hawkwind> He runs Ubuntu
[03:21] <foo> haha
[03:21] <Hawkwind> He's playing and trolling :P
[03:21] <CaptainMorgan> Hawkwind, what about ati 9800 pro?
[03:21] <foo> Yeah, ubuntu with fluxbox
[03:22] <CaptainMorgan> Hawkwind, out-of-the-box?
[03:22] <foo> gah, an alsa problem should be the same. *shrug*
[03:22] <Hawkwind> CaptainMorgan: Best of luck to ya there.    But you want Xinerama
[03:22] <Hawkwind> CaptainMorgan: Simple edit of the xorg.conf file if you have Nvidia
[03:22] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good evening!
[03:24] <CaptainMorgan> Hawkwind, but a simple edit of xorg.conf for ati doesn't work?
[03:24] <CaptainMorgan> I assume
[03:24] <Hawkwind> CaptainMorgan: Getting ATI drivers installed is nothing but a pure pain.
[03:25] <Hawkwind> I know nothing about ATI since I won't touch them since they really don't have native drivers
[03:26] <CaptainMorgan> thanks Hawkwind ;)
[03:29] <TheHighChild> Hey folks, anyone have a widescreen LCD?
[03:30] <fatejudger> TheHighChild: yes, 24 inches
[03:31] <chewinnnng232> hi guys, anyone knows a website equivalent to the "fedora core installation notes by stanton finley" for the kubuntu distro?
[03:31] <TheHighChild> fatejudger: nice! I just got a Samsung 20"
[03:31] <fatejudger> TheHighChild: cool
[03:31] <TheHighChild> Not sure how to best configure it
[03:31] <fatejudger> TheHighChild: is it not displaying the proper resolution?
[03:32] <TheHighChild> fatejudger: Everything works great. Just wondering how I can get the best settings. If there's an app or anything
[03:33] <chewinnnng232> which websites are the best about installing additional software on kubuntu? for instance to install mplayer with all the codecs?
[03:33] <fatejudger> TheHighChild: as long as it's displaying at the proper resolution, that's all you need to do
[03:33] <fatejudger> TheHighChild: if it looks stretched, then it's not displaying at the right rez, and you'd have to change it
[03:34] <TheHighChild> fatejudger: Yeah but I'd like it to be the best as to prolong the life as long as possible
[03:34] <TheHighChild> fatejudger: That's how it was at first but I googled someone's xorg with working settings and it works fine, but they didn't seem too confident about the accuracy of the settings
[03:35] <TheHighChild> It's at the proper 1650x1050
[03:37] <chewinnnng232> I am currently looking for websites with detailed instructions on how to install additional software. any suggestions? anyone?
[03:38] <jsubl2> chewinnnng232: check out the faq in the /topic
[03:38] <chewinnnng232> jsub12: thanks i'll check it out
[03:39] <chewinnnng232> jsub12: what is /topic, is it on the kubuntu.org site?
[03:40] <jsubl2> it is an irc command just type /topic
[03:40] <chewinnnng232> ok thanks
[03:40] <jsubl2> "/topic" without the quotes
[03:41] <chewinnnng232> jsub12: the command seems to work but nothing comes up
[03:41] <jsubl2> chewinnnng232:  http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions
[03:42] <chewinnnng232> jsub12: ok thanks i'll sure check it out
[03:42] <Hawkwind> [ 8:41pm]  The Topic For #kubuntu Is Kubuntu Support Channel | Edgy Beta Released | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems | Free Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ | Large pastes go here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[03:42] <Hawkwind> chewinnnng232: You should have seen that as soon as you joined the channel
[03:42] <chewinnnng232> Hawkwind: thanks
[03:45] <david__> can i set xwindows to log out after a certain amount of time?
[03:45] <Hawkwind> david__: With a cronjob you could
[03:46] <david__> is that a service i need to run?
[03:47] <Hawkwind> No.  man cronjob for tons of info or read this page on my forums:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=179.0
[03:47] <david__> ok thanks
[03:47] <david__> you gonna write book?
[03:47] <david__> Linux for dummies?
[03:48] <david__> guess ill have to get cronjob
[03:49] <david__> i don't seem to have any information on it
[03:52] <TheHighChild> fatejudger: What font/s do you use?
[03:55] <nuku> any hints getting flash player to work under edgy? i installed flashplugin-nonfree but opera/konqueror just show a gray box and firefox crashes...
[03:58] <AWOSDev> I want to play MIDI files but can't.  First it said "no such device /dev/snd/seq", so I modprobed snd-seq.  Now it says its playing but I don't hear any sound.  I can hear the KDE sounds (Waveform) but not MIDI.  What could the problem be?
[04:00] <canllaith> Heya, is there some kubuntu user here I can get a default kopeterc from ?
[04:00] <AWOSDev> canllaith sure
[04:00] <AWOSDev> canllaith where is it?  ~?
[04:00] <canllaith> Depends on how they do things. It's either in `kde-config --prefix`/share/config/kopeterc
[04:01] <canllaith> Or it's in ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc
[04:03] <nuku> canllaith: edgy uses this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25708/
[04:03] <nuku> (its /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kopeterc :-)
[04:03] <canllaith> ahhhhh [ChatWindowSettings]  is where the tabs option lurks
[04:04] <canllaith> thanks, as far as I'm aware kopete hasn't been kconfig xt'd yet so finding those options requires grepping through the sources :)
[04:05] <nuku> isn't there some kind of documentation for this?! :/
[04:05] <canllaith> No, not really - until I get around to kconfig xt'izing kopete
[04:05] <canllaith> Or someone else does
[04:06] <canllaith> I started it, someone else started it, I'm not sure if anyone finished it.
[04:06] <canllaith> All these config file only settings are only documented in the source
[04:06] <nuku> wonder why kconfig was not used in the first place :)
[04:06] <Vouksh> I'm having a little bit of trouble installing Xubuntu on my Thinkpad laptop. You think you guys could help me out?
[04:06] <canllaith> Because it didn't exist.
[04:07] <nuku> thats a point
[04:07] <canllaith> anyway, thanks. Got the option I wanted :)
[04:07] <nuku> sure np
[04:09] <nuku> hm at least kopete 0.12.2 in edgy seems to use kconfig ;)
[04:10] <canllaith> Not kconfigxt.... at least, I don't think so
[04:11] <canllaith> nah it's not
[04:11] <canllaith> Since I said I'd do it about a year ago I'm not surprised
[04:12] <nuku> well have to look into the difference of kconfig and kconfigxt :)
[04:13] <nuku> at least read.*Entry gave me 453 hits ;)
[04:14] <Blacken> O-kay...strangeness..xorg.conf has DRI *enabled*, but direct rendering is NOT enabled. ATI Radeon x1300. Anyone know why that may be?
[04:14] <canllaith> nuku: kconfig xt starts with an XML file that defines all of those configuration classes and then it generates the c++
[04:14] <canllaith> for an example take a look at kicker.
[04:15] <canllaith> I drew up the xml files for that about 2 years ago
[04:15] <nuku> canllaith: yeah just found some nice introduction.. looks sweet :)
[04:37] <Blacken> Er, okay. Situation: I have an ATI Radeon x1300 graphics card. I just ran aticonfig --initial. It SAYS that DRI is enabled.  Unlike most of the folks who come in here, I do my homework before asking for help.
[04:42] <smaggard> so you are saying no one else has had your problem before? wow congratulations
[04:44] <Blacken> Look, nitwit. I ran through the bloody howtos, I've done my research, and there's an issue further down the line that I can't seem to locate. Now, like all good GNAA rejects, get back in your cardboard box.
[04:44] <Blacken> Now--might there be anyone who might have experience with dealing with uncooperative ATI cards and DRI?
[04:44] <caseyomah> Okay, I'm trying to setup smb shares in KDE, but no users (evidently not even root) have rights to do so (or make more users able to do so)
[04:45] <caseyomah> My help from System Settings for file sharing gives an error.
[04:46] <Blacken> caseyomah: Any specific error? Might help out those in the know a bit more.
[04:46] <caseyomah> The file sharing module never ungrays.
[04:47] <smaggard> i have an hp zv6000 laptop with ati and linux i know exactly what your going through
[04:47] <smaggard> :D its a little tricky, but not hard at all to figure out
[04:47] <brydenn> ok i have a bizzare problem. When i open anything and minimize it, it doesnt appear in the kicker bar
[04:47] <brydenn> i cant maximize it
[04:48] <brydenn> anyone know what's going on with that?
[04:48] <smaggard> using default theme?
[04:48] <AWOSDev> brydenn, try ALT+TAB
[04:48] <caseyomah> smaggard: Yes.
[04:48] <brydenn> it works if i do ALT+TAB
[04:48] <AWOSDev> brydenn, hold down ALT while pressing TAB
[04:48] <brydenn> but the boxes dont appear in the kicker bar
[04:48] <AWOSDev> brydenn do you have the task thing on there
[04:49] <brydenn> the task bar?
[04:49] <brydenn> i have my KBFX button and a kicker bar
[04:49] <AWOSDev> brydenn yeah
[04:49] <brydenn> yes
[04:49] <brydenn> i have your normal quick launch buttons too
[04:49] <AWOSDev> brydenn, panel menu->add applet->task bar.
[04:50] <brydenn> like muahaha
[04:50] <smaggard> yeah you may not have the taskbar applet actually enabled
[04:50] <brydenn> there it is
[04:50] <brydenn> damn musta accidently removed that
[04:50] <brydenn> thanks AWOSDev
[04:50] <AWOSDev> brydenn no problem :)
[04:50] <AWOSDev> brydenn if you have kids or pets they might have done it :)
[04:51] <brydenn> haha no no
[04:51] <brydenn> no kids, but i have a cat
[04:51] <smaggard> lol its ok we all do stuff like that
[04:51] <brydenn> yah it's cool
[04:51] <brydenn> i'm just a windows guy trying to move away into linux :)
[04:51] <smaggard> LOL
[04:51] <brydenn> kubuntu seemed to be the right thing
[04:51] <smaggard> what distro you using
[04:51] <smaggard> ah kubuntu im guessing
[04:51] <brydenn> i'm using Kubuntu Edgy
[04:51] <smaggard> cool
[04:51] <brydenn> i know it's beta
[04:51] <brydenn> but i like it
[04:52] <brydenn> and i'm starting to add some nice eye candy to it hehe
[04:52] <smaggard> i used gentoo for a long time and i tried out kubuntu and ubuntu server and it was like OMG can it really be this easy!??
[04:52] <brydenn> well you're smarter than me
[04:52] <brydenn> i really wanted to give Gentoo a shot
[04:52] <brydenn> but the F'n thing never installed right
[04:52] <brydenn> i literally tried maybe 30 times
[04:52] <brydenn> i gave up
[04:53] <brydenn> with gentoo you get good stability and good optimization (from what i hear)
[04:53] <smaggard> yeah, gentoo can take even linux masters a LONG time to get going
[04:53] <brydenn> but i'll pass on the optimization for something that "just works" hehe
[04:53] <smaggard> with gentoo, you get a distro that uses you instead of you using IT
[04:54] <brydenn> yah well
[04:54] <smaggard> i mean you literally have to compile EVERYTHING
[04:54] <brydenn> i dont wanna fight it
[04:54] <brydenn> ya i know
[04:54] <AWOSDev> I'm not really wanting to go to Gentoo because of that
[04:54] <brydenn> everything is from source
[04:54] <AWOSDev> I've been with computers since the early 90s, ah DOS...and it scares me.
[04:54] <AWOSDev> :)
[04:54] <brydenn> hahaha
[04:54] <Blacken> Gentoo is painful. Nice for optimized servers, though. Especially if you've got a rack of identical ones.
[04:55] <brydenn> yah i can see its purpose in that arena
[04:55] <brydenn> but for the day to day user? probably not
[04:55] <smaggard> if you need absolute performance and have days to configure it then yeah its good, but updating is another nightmare
[04:55] <Blacken> We had maybe twenty minutes of downtime.
[04:55] <Blacken> They used RedHat.  But Ubuntu...not for servers. Debian's a good server distro--my personal server runs it. But the boxes at school get something on the order of a million (obviously not unique) visits per day.
[04:57] <smaggard> ubuntu is based off debian..............
[04:57] <Blacken> smaggard: Yes, but its packaging and distribution channels are a wee bit more unstable.
[04:57] <smaggard> what???????!!!
[04:57] <smaggard> ur effn crazy
[04:57] <brydenn> haha
[04:57] <brydenn> glad i'm not in on this one ;)
[04:58] <smaggard> come back when you learn something
[04:58] <Blacken> smaggard: Neg, Not crazy. there are odd, odd changes that sometimes come out of Ubuntu's repositories that the corresponding Debian ones don't have.
[04:58] <Blacken> Well, no. Crazy, but not crazy in that regard.
[04:58] <smaggard> whatever
[04:59] <smaggard> ubuntu has had no problem as a server hosting 16 websites so far
[04:59] <Blacken> I'm not saying it can't do it.
[04:59] <smaggard> then what are you saying?
[04:59] <Blacken> But Debian tends to be a more reliable platform in my experience.
[04:59] <Blacken> As a desktop user I can handle the occaisonal "whoops, something went casters up" moment.
[04:59] <Blacken> On a server, I won't take that chance.
[05:00] <smaggard> thats great
[05:00] <Blacken> Is it *likely* that something will break? Naw. Is it more likely, though? Probably.
[05:00] <smaggard> doubtfully
[05:00] <Blacken> Gentoo was the choice for the servers at school because it's fast, not 'cause anyone liked compiling it.
[05:01] <smaggard> if your school chose gentoo as servers they are idiots.
[05:01] <Blacken> Why?
[05:01] <smaggard> gentoo is the LEAST recommended distro for serving, because of its multiple options, configurations, and setup can easily lead to mis-configuration
[05:01] <Blacken> smaggard: There's a very simple solution to that.  "LEAST recommended distro". By you, maybe. I've never seen any serious statistics to back up that position.
[05:03] <Blacken> This is going to devolve into "omg my distro better than all others," so I'm going to go back to work now.
[05:03] <smaggard> of course there arent any numbers what do you think they have a poll?
[05:03] <smaggard> too many extra steps to get regular apps like sendmail installed
[05:03] <smaggard> depositories are crap
[05:05] <doombox> for server ? /vote slackware
[05:05] <doombox> if you can't run slackware you shouldn't be doing a server..!
[05:05] <brydenn> ok questions
[05:05] <brydenn> i'm trying to install a window decroation
[05:06] <brydenn> and i tried "./configure" and got this error...
[05:06] <brydenn> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:06] <smaggard> hmm what decoration is it
[05:06] <brydenn> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330
[05:06] <brydenn> that one
[05:08] <smaggard> dont you add that through the kde theme settings?
[05:09] <brydenn> i'm not sure
[05:09] <brydenn> how do you normally add a window decoration?
[05:09] <fateisajester> hi everyone. Im kind of new to linux. so you guy will probably see me here alot lol. i just wanted to get to know the mods right now.
[05:09] <brydenn> a lot is 2 words bro
[05:09] <smaggard> ummm
[05:09] <fateisajester> lol
[05:09] <smaggard> hold on ill download that
[05:09] <fateisajester> so it is
[05:10] <brydenn> thanks smaggard
[05:10] <smaggard> ima get the corona one :D
[05:11] <brydenn> hehe
[05:11] <brydenn> i downloaded the nVidia one
[05:11] <smaggard> gimme just a sec
[05:11] <caseyomah> An error occurred while loading help:/:
[05:11] <caseyomah> Cannottalktoklauncher
[05:11] <brydenn> ok
[05:12] <caseyomah> I get that error when trying to open help.
[05:13] <mark_> does anyone know when edgy rc1 is coming?
[05:13] <fateisajester> Is this room usually pretty active?
[05:13] <mark_> yes
[05:13] <mark_> why fateisajester?
[05:13] <smaggard> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330
[05:14] <mark_> need help?
[05:14] <fateisajester> just wondering.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> yes it is.
[05:14] <fateisajester> not right now
[05:14] <Dr_willis> Its quiet.... too quiet!
[05:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:14] <mark_> #ubuntu is more active
[05:14] <fateisajester> just trying to get the feel of the roon
[05:14] <mark_> scary active
[05:14] <brydenn> smaggard:  why'd you post that link again?
[05:14] <fateisajester> room*
[05:14] <AWOSDev> Hey Dr_willis!
[05:14] <mark_> dr willis
[05:14] <brydenn> Dr_willis:
[05:14] <smaggard> do you have kwin?
[05:14] <brydenn> lol
[05:14] <mark_> tell me the release date of rc1
[05:14] <brydenn> kwin?
[05:15] <brydenn> let me check
[05:15] <AWOSDev> mark_, October 19th
[05:15] <mark_> woooo
[05:15] <AWOSDev> IIRC
[05:15] <brydenn> smaggard:  yah adept manager says it's installed
[05:15] <smaggard> ok
[05:15] <mark_> october 19th is the new christmas
[05:15] <smaggard> h/o
[05:16] <brydenn> alrihgt
[05:16] <brydenn> *alright
[05:16] <mark_> calling people hos isnt allowed on freenode is it?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> hmm
[05:16] <fateisajester> what is "hos"?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> Ho Ho Ho!
[05:16] <mark_> yes that
[05:16] <fateisajester> ooooooo...  n/m
[05:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:17] <AWOSDev> mark_ LOL
[05:17] <AWOSDev> h/o means hold on
[05:17] <Dr_willis> PV=NRT
[05:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:17] <mark_> looks like a typo to me
[05:17] <lebifteksauvage> Hello ;)
[05:17] <fateisajester> hi
[05:17] <mark_> hihi
[05:17] <Dr_willis> h/0 = dividsion by 0 error
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Hiddy Hooo!
[05:18] <mark_> o ya awosdev
[05:18] <AWOSDev> Could also mean Hurst/Oldsmobiles.
[05:18] <smaggard> so you type ./configure and what happens
[05:18] <AWOSDev> http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/H/O
[05:18] <mark_> i found out what was wrong with my nvidia drivers
[05:18] <mark_> lol
[05:19] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis were you the one that said you got the new Weird Al CD?
[05:19] <brydenn> smaggard: h/o
[05:19] <smaggard> k
[05:19] <mark_> no need to be rude brydenn
[05:19] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  yeppers
[05:20] <brydenn> mark_: haha not being rude
[05:20] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis they played White and Nerdy on the radio earlier
[05:20] <mark_> your dictionary says h/o stands for history of
[05:21] <brydenn> or it could mean hold on
[05:21] <brydenn> whatever you prefer
[05:21] <mark_> and lol stands for lack of love
[05:21] <mark_> or land of lincoln
[05:21] <smaggard> hhaha
[05:21] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  heh - AOL was supposed to have a permier of the video..but some how the video got leaked to the internet early.. so they cancled the premear!
[05:21] <Dr_willis> I think that was the video.. lt was last week some time when it happened
[05:22] <brydenn> hey smaggard
[05:22] <smaggard> u gotta tell that where the kde headers are
[05:22] <brydenn> good news
[05:22] <mark_> !botsnack
[05:22] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:22] <brydenn> i dont have that error anymore haha i got a new one now
[05:22] <smaggard> lol
[05:22] <AWOSDev> LOL it means laugh out loud :)
[05:22] <brydenn> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[05:22] <mark_> !lol
[05:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:23] <smaggard> do you have qt installed?
[05:23] <brydenn> no i'm installing it now i think though
[05:23] <Dr_willis> qt -dev packages even
[05:23] <mark_> !Lawyers On Line
[05:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Lawyers On Line - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:23] <mark_> :/
[05:23] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis yeah they put it up silently an hour before the scheduled time :)
[05:24] <smaggard> ok you have to have the kde headers installed to use that akdc
[05:24] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  oh? i was thinking it got leaked a few days befor..
[05:24] <Dr_willis> heh
[05:24] <Dr_willis> i still aint seen it
[05:24] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis it was leaked before
[05:24] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis AOL put it up before the scheduled time by an hour
[05:25] <Dr_willis> that dont sound like how i heard it...
[05:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:25] <AWOSDev> The video was leaked onto YouTube on September 17, 2006 just one day before the video was planned to be officially released at 9 PM Pacific time at AOL.com. Due to the leak, the premiere was cancelled,[6]  and AOL silently slipped the video onto their website hours before the premiere was set to take place.
[05:25] <Dr_willis> sounds like an AOL guy dident set his clock for DST
[05:25] <AWOSDev> I edit Wikipedia :)
[05:25] <AWOSDev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_&_Nerdy
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Lol
[05:25] <Dr_willis> so it is there.
[05:25] <mark_> no one has easy problems that need solving?
[05:25] <mark_> bah
[05:25] <Dr_willis> mark_,  whats the air speed of a  coconut laden swallow?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:26] <pierreth> Dr_willis: I have imported my stuff
[05:26] <brydenn> smaggard: the akdc KDE headers?
[05:26] <mark_> one sec dr_willis
[05:26] <mark_> !air speed of a coconut laden swallow
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about air speed of a coconut laden swallow - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <pierreth> Dr_willis: my music
[05:26] <smaggard> no
[05:27] <smaggard> do this
[05:27] <smaggard> sudo apt-get install kdebase-dev
[05:27] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  you mean you 'ripped' your cd's :P
[05:27] <smaggard> that will install the kde headers
[05:27] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  dont fall fo rthe fancy terms apple tries touse on you! :)
[05:27] <brydenn> ok they're installing
[05:27] <brydenn> err downloading rather
[05:27] <pierreth> Dr_willis: the bad thing is that I need none free format for the ipod
[05:28] <Dr_willis> i thought ipods could play mp3's
[05:28] <fateisajester> Ive been having trouble getting a new partition working the way i want it. I have tried to create a fat32 partition mounted in /storage to keep all of my important files. i was able to do it but only root has access to it. i have tried to change the permissions but its not working. i have tried using konqueror, and use chmod 777 /storage, but the permissions never set. can someone please tell me how to set /storage to grant all acce
[05:28] <fateisajester> sorry for flood. i didnt realize
[05:28] <pierreth> Dr_willis: mp3's are not free
[05:28] <Dr_willis> fateisajester,  you do NOT NOT NOT use chmod on a vfat partition
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Defacto NTFS (and works for Vfat as well) guide for your Fstab/mounting of NTFS partitions -->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[05:29] <fateisajester> thx
[05:29] <Dr_willis> fateisajester,  you use the 'umask=0222' option or similer. that site gives examples.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  free enough for me. then again i dont own an ipod.. and never plan on getting one.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> and i rarely listen to music much.. Other then weird al. :)
[05:30] <pierreth> Dr_willis: It would be great to be able to use the os we want on an ipod
[05:30] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  i though thee was a linux-on-the-ipod project
[05:30] <fateisajester> thx... ill give it a shot.
[05:30] <AWOSDev> UbuntuiPodHowto - what a weird thought.. :)
[05:31] <pierreth> Dr_willis: I know but I don't think it is a real solution yet
[05:31] <Dr_willis> real solution - stop buying ipods.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:31] <AWOSDev> that'll work too
[05:31] <AWOSDev> get an MP3 player and liblame0
[05:31] <AWOSDev> tada!
[05:32] <Dr_willis> people just look at me weird when i suggest a total boycott of ALL the music industry...
[05:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:32] <digivore> !cvs
[05:32] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[05:33] <pierreth> Dr_willis: I love music, it is hard, but I copy CD instead
[05:33] <AWOSDev> I still hate RIAA for killing Internet radio...as well as suing the dead person and the 11-year-old
[05:33] <Dr_willis> gee lets see - how many cds do you own.. and if you played them all.....
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Yea - internet radio - had such potential
[05:34] <Dr_willis> well it still nice.. but not as legal as it could be.
[05:34] <pierreth> AWOSDev: What are you suggesting instead of an iPod?
[05:34] <brydenn> smaggard: you there?
[05:34] <AWOSDev> MP3 player
[05:34] <smaggard> yah
[05:34] <smaggard> did you install the headers?
[05:34] <brydenn> did you get yours to work?
[05:34] <brydenn> yah they're installed
[05:34] <pierreth> AWOSDev: what do you mean?
[05:34] <brydenn> my configure was susseccfull too
[05:35] <smaggard> and the configure works now
[05:35] <smaggard> cool
[05:35] <brydenn> i did make and make install
[05:35] <brydenn> but i dunno if it worked hehe
[05:35] <smaggard> now go to your apperance, u know how to get there?
[05:35] <AWOSDev> pierreth, an MP3 player.  you know, it plays MP3s...
[05:35] <pierreth> AWOSDev: like an iPod?
[05:35] <AWOSDev> pierreth, like an iPod but not an iPod.
[05:36] <brydenn> smaggard: yes i'm there
[05:36] <smaggard> k
[05:36] <smaggard> click window decorations
[05:36] <pierreth> AWOSDev: Which one and why?
[05:36] <brydenn> k
[05:36] <smaggard> and click the drop down arrow and it should be listed
[05:36] <brydenn> its not
[05:36] <smaggard> hmm
[05:36] <brydenn> :(
[05:36] <brydenn> did you get yours to list?
[05:36] <AWOSDev> pierreth, any and all.  because it's simpler and easier and more compatible than the iPod.
[05:36] <smaggard> did u do sudo make install?
[05:36] <brydenn> yah i did
[05:36] <brydenn> let me try it all again
[05:36] <smaggard> only sudo on the make install
[05:37] <pierreth> Dr_willis: I think the solution is buying music on the internet directly from the artists
[05:37] <ironfroggy> i have a question about ssh. im running three ssh servers on one domain and its confusing the keys. how can i fix that?
[05:38] <pierreth> AWOSDev: like a Samsung? It is MS player. Why MS player would be a better idea than Apple players?
[05:38] <AWOSDev> no I mean a real simple true blue MP3 player.
[05:38] <brydenn> smaggard:  hmm it's still not showing up in the drop box
[05:38] <AWOSDev> nothing more nothing less
[05:38] <brydenn> and everything seems to be ok
[05:38] <smaggard> mine complained about libXext in configure
[05:38] <pierreth> AWOSDev: It is like a USB key but it is able to play mp3?
[05:39] <AWOSDev> pierreth, some of them
[05:39] <AWOSDev> pierreth, hold on a sec
[05:39] <pierreth> AWOSDev: I never know these things existed
[05:40] <AWOSDev> pierreth: http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=544612&x=0&Ntt=MP3%20player&=Search&y=0&uniqueSearchFlag=true&An=text
[05:40] <brydenn> smaggard: i already have libXext installed
[05:41] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  nah.. :) just listen to  talk radio!
[05:41] <smaggard> now its complaining about libz
[05:41] <pierreth> AWOSDev: it is a MS player
[05:42] <pierreth> AWOSDev: I don't want to give my money to MS
[05:42] <pierreth> AWOSDev: No more MS taxe on everything!
[05:42] <AWOSDev> pierreth: http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=618525&x=0&Ntt=MP3%20player&=Search&y=0&uniqueSearchFlag=true&An=text
[05:42] <AWOSDev> pierreth: even supports Linux 2.4!
[05:43] <pierreth> AWOSDev: still an MS player
[05:43] <pierreth> I guess we have no choice: Apple or MS
[05:43] <AWOSDev> pierreth: Just because it plays WMAs doesn't mean it's a MS player
[05:43] <AWOSDev> Ubuntu can play WMAs...is it MS?
[05:43] <brydenn> smaggard:  so you havent got it to work ye?
[05:44] <brydenn> *yet
[05:44] <smaggard> no im trying another one
[05:44] <pierreth> AWOSDev: No, it uses reverse egenering
[05:44] <Dr_willis> 'friends dont let friends use wmv's'
[05:45] <AWOSDev> :)
[05:45] <AWOSDev> Friends don't let friends drive Hondas
[05:45] <AWOSDev> :)
[05:45] <pierreth> AWOSDev: why Hondas?
[05:46] <AWOSDev> okay fine to be really honest Toyotas or Nissans either
[05:46] <pierreth> AWOSDev: thank you for this information
[05:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:46] <smaggard> bah its keeps saying libz configure error
[05:46] <pierreth> Dr_willis: is poor...
[05:47] <smaggard> AWOSDev> GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!! im the same way
[05:47] <smaggard> the toyotas and honda will cause the downfall of america
[05:47] <pierreth> pierreth will drive everything except a US car
[05:47] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  i am? well if the wife would quit spending so much $$$
[05:47] <AWOSDev> the Toyotas and Hondas will cause the death of all Americans :)
[05:47] <pierreth> smaggard: good thing!!
[05:48] <smaggard> lol
[05:48] <pierreth> Dr_willis: joke!
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Guess what company i work for. :)
[05:48] <smaggard> those foreign jobs piss me off
[05:48] <pierreth> I hate USA, it is the enemy of the world
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Of course id DaimlerChrysler an American car company now.. or not.. :P
[05:48] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  yea.. whatever...
[05:49] <MotorCityMadMan> USA USA USA USA
[05:49] <Dr_willis> thats my new canned reply.... "Yea... whatever"
[05:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:49] <pierreth> no no no...
[05:49] <pierreth> I guess, it is not very important
[05:49] <MotorCityMadMan> I'm in love with the USA
[05:50] <AWOSDev> I just like seeing people live through fender-benders
[05:50] <pierreth> MotorCityMadMan: you mean you love the world oppression
[05:50] <AWOSDev> I've seen my fair share of people, especially youth, die in non-American cars
[05:50] <MotorCityMadMan> pierreth: no / lots of GUNS
[05:51] <pierreth> AWOSDev: I think the car is responsable
[05:51] <AWOSDev> pierreth yes exactly
[05:51] <pierreth> MotorCityMadMan: to do what?
[05:51] <MotorCityMadMan> protection from bad ppl
[05:52] <MotorCityMadMan> food
[05:52] <pierreth> MotorCityMadMan: are you preparing yourself for war?
[05:53] <MotorCityMadMan> no / i'm already at war / have been for 30 years
[05:53] <pierreth> MotorCityMadMan: who is the enemy?
[05:53] <MotorCityMadMan> bad ppl
[05:53] <pierreth> ppl? what is the meaning?
[05:53] <MotorCityMadMan> pepole
[05:54] <AWOSDev> Anybody know how to get stains out of an LCD screen?
[05:54] <AWOSDev> like sneezes and finger prints
[05:54] <pierreth> MotorCityMadMan: who is bad, who is good?
[05:54] <MotorCityMadMan> what kind of stains
[05:54] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  they make special cleaners for lcds and  high end tv's
[05:54] <Dr_willis> i use the stuff.. its like a thick jell liquid so it dont run.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> and a little cloth squeggee
[05:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:55] <AWOSDev> MotorCityMadMan: sneezes and finger prints
[05:55] <Dr_willis> DONT use windex.
[05:55] <MotorCityMadMan> lol
[05:55] <pierreth> Dr_willis: water?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> hmm...   distilled.. :)  perhaps.. but id invest in some good cleaner for them.
[05:56] <Dr_willis> water seems to leave streaks/stains
[05:56] <pierreth> Dr_willis: i used windex
[05:56] <Dr_willis> i got a $15 bottle of this cleaner and its lasted me 2+ years
[05:56] <Dr_willis> windex has ammonia - i think and thats BAD.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> plus the sprays stuff can run down the screen into the  frame of the monitor.. and that can be real bad..
[05:57] <pierreth> I would like to buy a glass to protect my screen
[05:57] <AWOSDev> yes ammonia
[05:57] <pierreth> I was not able to find one
[05:57] <Dr_willis> a lot  of the better lcd screens theze days allready got a glass protector.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> and some sort of anti-glare film on that..  thats what the ammonia can hurt.
[05:58] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis - 2003 Compaq laptop - says it all :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> use sandpaper on it then. :P
[05:59] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis that may be a little too gritty :)
[05:59] <pierreth> sandpaper removes everything
[06:00] <Dr_willis> i got an old sony vaio laptop - and it still has a nicer looking screen then many of the newer laptops out
[06:00] <Dr_willis> wide screens - the future of lcd's
[06:00] <Dr_willis> but how about TALL screens? :)
[06:01] <pierreth> Dr_willis: are you really a doctor?
[06:01] <AWOSDev> Wide screen *drools*
[06:01] <AWOSDev> I want a 21" widescreen LCD...that would be COOLNESS
[06:01] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  then you can have room for all the desktop applets and panels at the sides!
[06:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:02] <pierreth> Dr_willis: can you help with my love problems? :-)
[06:02] <Dr_willis> and the next windows version will take up even MORE useless space, pf the screen with more useless things.. and web sites will still be centered in a HUGE wide browser window..and  be a 3 inch wide colum.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> :P
[06:02] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  what problem?
[06:02] <Dr_willis> when in doubt... use  the Old-skool-methods. :P
[06:03] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis heck with that I'll get multiple desktops running on the same screen :)
[06:03] <AWOSDev> Yeah I'm not liking Vista much either
[06:03] <pierreth> Dr_willis: I guess it is too personal for this forum...
[06:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:03] <AWOSDev> pierreth, go to #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Penicillian! man.. Lots of Penicillian!
[06:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:04] <AWOSDev> hey does anybody know where lilo was from?
[06:04] <AWOSDev> was it Boca Raton, FL?
[06:04] <Dr_willis> call up that Dr Lady on Late Night Lifetime channel.
[06:04] <james_xxx> i am trying to install a new video card in a dektop... how do i find out what the PCI number is for the new card? xserver is still only seeing the integrated card
[06:04] <pierreth> Dr_willis: no it is OK, I guess I have the same problem as anyone else...
[06:04] <AWOSDev> james_xxx lspci -n
[06:04] <james_xxx> AWOSDev: ty much
[06:04] <AWOSDev> james_xxx np
[06:05] <Dr_willis> pierreth,  same problem? - Not marriied = No sex.... Married = dont WANT no sex... :)
[06:05] <Dr_willis> err.. dont want any sex.. = married
[06:05] <pierreth> Dr_willis: life is simple! :-)
[06:07] <Dr_willis> So if you want sex but cant get any.. get married.. then you dont want sex...
[06:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:08] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis do you know where lilo was from?
[06:08] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis LOL
[06:08] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  nope.
[06:08] <AWOSDev> Oh okay
[06:08] <pierreth> Dr_willis: OK, this is the solution!
[06:08] <notech> Texas, I think
[06:08] <AWOSDev> because I think I might have seen his accident on the local news.
[06:08] <AWOSDev> oh I'm in Florida
[06:08] <AWOSDev> he was like 20 or so, he had a Linux penguin beside him in the picture
[06:09] <Dr_willis> thers so many motorcycle accidents a year in the USA - its scary
[06:09] <notech> I never caught his age
[06:09] <Dr_willis> I dont ride them any more.
[06:09] <AWOSDev> he was certified as an MCSE at like 12
[06:11] <pierreth> OK, good night
[06:11] <Dr_willis> NVIDIA shares surge on Intel buyout rumors           http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061004-7910.html
[06:11] <Dr_willis> One way to boost your stock... :)
[06:11] <AWOSDev> dang
[06:11] <AWOSDev> I wish I could buy Intel
[06:11] <AWOSDev> :)
[06:12] <brydenn> god
[06:12] <Dr_willis> buy nvidia :P
[06:12] <brydenn> this really sucks
[06:12] <brydenn> does anyone know how to install window decorations?
[06:12] <fateisajester> if im reading the  umask  stuff right, the you can only take away fron default permissions. you cant add to them?
[06:13] <AWOSDev> He was in Texas
[06:13] <AWOSDev> it was another FOSS-oriented computer geek that died down in Boca Raton, FL on a motorcycle accident three days after lilo.
[06:13] <AWOSDev> freaky
[06:13] <BonBonTheJon> brydenn: download an archive package, then go into the kcontrol, then do the install option, it installs for you
[06:13] <fateisajester> is that correct?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install kde-style-polyester kwin-style-alphacube kwin-style-blended  kwin-style-suse2
[06:14] <notech> fateisajester: doesn't sound right to me
[06:14] <Dr_willis> installs quite a few nice themes/window decors...
[06:14] <Dr_willis> the default is 0777 i i thought..
[06:14] <fateisajester> i cant get umask to give me rwxrwxrwx
[06:14] <brydenn> BonBonTheJon: well i've already compiled the window decoration i want
[06:15] <Dr_willis> i never have under stood the use of masks when ya coudl just set the  #'s
[06:15] <brydenn> and it doesnt work just using the archive file to install a window decoration
[06:15] <Dr_willis> umask of 0000 = rwxrwxrwx i thought
[06:15] <notech> oh, well if 777 then i guess you could only take away. heh
[06:15] <BonBonTheJon> brydenn: I download from kde-look.org, then install
[06:15] <brydenn> k try something for me
[06:15] <fateisajester> 0000 gave me r-xr-xr-x
[06:15] <brydenn> BonBonTheJon: go here http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 and see if you can get it to install
[06:16] <Dr_willis> gnome had that neat tool that lets your browse and install different themes.. sad that they are all ugly. :)
[06:17] <Dr_willis> AKDC means Advanced Kwin Decoration Client
[06:17] <BonBonTheJon> brydenn: sorry, window decorations doesn't have an install option, I was thinking more along the lines of splash screen
[06:17] <Dr_willis> i THINK thats like some sort of meta-theme-skeleton that thenuses other themes wrote for  AKDC...
[06:18] <brydenn> yah
[06:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:18] <Dr_willis> ive seen a few other simler things
[06:18] <brydenn> errr this should be easy
[06:19] <Dr_willis> my downloads are slow.. let me try it :)
[06:19] <BonBonTheJon> brydenn: the page says to go to the directory, then do ./configure, then make, then make install
[06:19] <BonBonTheJon> it should work
[06:20] <brydenn> yah i did that
[06:20] <brydenn> got nothing
[06:20] <BonBonTheJon> hmm, don't know
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Im not clear on IF the downloads are diffrent themes/.windowdecorations or widgets
[06:22] <Dr_willis> or if they are just themes FOR the   Advanced Kwin Decoration Client
[06:23] <Dr_willis> it compiled. and installed (the frst download) but i see no mention of "corona' in my themes settings anywhere
[06:24] <Dr_willis> trying softcrystal now
[06:24] <brydenn> yah see thats what happened with me
[06:24] <brydenn> i compiled, installed and didnt see it anywhere in the window decorations dropdown menu
[06:25] <Dr_willis> --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c -p  'kwin_corona_config.la' '/usr/local/kde/lib/kde3/kwin
[06:25] <Dr_willis> it may be going to the /usr/local/ dir - not sure if kubuntu searches those by default or not
[06:25] <Dr_willis> its annoying tha tthe thing uncompressed to   home/junior/ProyectoKwin
[06:25] <brydenn> so i have to put the directory where?
[06:26] <brydenn> yah i know
[06:26] <Dr_willis> No idea. :P
[06:26] <Dr_willis> i normally dont mess with themes.
[06:26] <brydenn> hahaha
[06:26] <Dr_willis> other then whats in the package manager
[06:26] <brydenn> yah well i like eye candy
[06:27] <pjz> anyone know how to get the latest beta to show video on my old matrox card?
[06:30] <MrBIggZ> Greetings! I have one question, fairly simple in nature.  Question is when you install a package via apt-get and using a GDM (I'm using KDE) shouldn't it automatically put an item in the appropriate menu slot?  I did an apt-get for firefox but it never put anything in the internet slot on the GUI.  I did gaim .. that worked right .. there was a menu item for it.  Ideas?
[06:31] <chavo> brydenn, I just installed that here it works no problem
[06:31] <mark_> mrbiggz
[06:31] <MrBIggZ> present!
[06:31] <mark_> it may show up after you restart kde
[06:31] <chavo> make sure you ./configure --prefix /usr
[06:31] <MrBIggZ> I have .. a few times
[06:31] <mark_> try ctrl+alt+backspace
[06:31] <mark_> hrmm
[06:32] <AWOSDev> MrBiggZ - try kbuildsycoca
[06:33] <mark_> nothing?
[06:33] <MrBiggZ> nope
[06:33] <Dr_willis> Figured it out.. :P
[06:33] <Dr_willis> lol
[06:33] <mark_> try kbuildsycoca
[06:33] <mark_> thats awos' advice btw
[06:33] <MrBiggZ> Guess i'll have to add this in manually
[06:33] <pjz> anyone know how to get the latest beta to show video on my old matrox card? or how to tell it to boot using text mode?
[06:33] <Dr_willis>  - /usr/lib/kde3 is where the .so files go.
[06:33] <MrBiggZ> i know when I ran a mandrake flavor that you used to have to run menu-update from a prompt
[06:34] <mark_> really dont have to do that in ubuntu
[06:34] <mark_> so i dont know why its doing it to you
[06:34] <mark_> btw you're using gdm??
[06:34] <mark_> why not kdm?
[06:35] <Dr_willis> chavo,  yea - i was just thinking that..
[06:36] <chavo> you can put them in your ~/.kde also for kstyle and kwin decos
[06:36] <MrBiggZ> i am using KDE
[06:37] <mark_> yeah but you said you were using the gnome display manager
[06:37] <MrBiggZ> gde  would be graphic display manager .. which is what kde is .. another gui
[06:37] <MrBiggZ> never said gnome .. hate gnome!
[06:37] <MrBiggZ> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
[06:38] <mark_> gdm stands for gnome display manager, and kdm is k display manager
[06:38] <MrBiggZ> ok none the less .. just a difference in meanings
[06:38] <MrBiggZ> I found the context menu to add the item.
[06:38] <pjz> is there a way to get kubuntu to not launch gdm when it boots off the CD?
[06:38] <mark_> they each work better for their particular desktop environment thats why i was confused by why you were using gdm to run kde
[06:38] <MrBiggZ> oh .. sorry
[06:39] <mark_> np
[06:39] <mark_> pjz what do you mean?
[06:39] <Dr_willis> i dont see where they go in .kde  (perhaps i got some dirs not made yet)
[06:39] <MrBiggZ> i'm testing this out on a vmware workstation .. if it works good .. i'll replace my fedora core server with this .. so far i like it
[06:39] <pjz> mark_: well, when it I boot off the kubuntu livecd, it doesn't pick  my graphics card correctly
[06:39] <MrBiggZ> anybody running it as a web server + email?
[06:40] <pjz> mark_: or at least only the bootloader picks it correctly
[06:40] <pjz> mark_: after it boots it switches to a different video mode and I can't see anyhting
[06:40] <mark_> ok
[06:40] <mark_> hmm
[06:41] <pjz> ah, finally managed to kill the X server hard enough to let it stay in text mode for a few mins
[06:41] <mark_> what card pjs
[06:41] <mark_> and also, you can enter text mode usually by ctrl+alt+f2
[06:42] <pjz> mark_: honestly I'm not sure... it's the built-in video on an old HP Vectra VL - it's a 500MHz P3
[06:42] <pjz> mark_: ah! good to know
[06:42] <pjz> mark_: I think it's some kind of old matrox chipset
[06:42] <MrBiggZ> k .. thanks for the help.
[06:43] <pjz> ah, it's a 'Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP'
[06:43] <mark_> hmm thats not good
[06:43] <ubuntu_> hello.... any one here to speak?
[06:43] <ubuntu_> spani
[06:44] <pjz> mark_: yeah, I pretty much figured it would work out of the box
[06:44] <mark_> !spanish
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spanish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <ubuntu_> si
[06:44] <mark_> !espanol
[06:44] <chavo> !es
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about espanol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:44] <mark_> bah darn u chavo
[06:44] <ubuntu_> de donde eres
[06:44] <chavo> lol
[06:44] <chavo> de USA
[06:44] <ubuntu_> a ok
[06:44] <pjz> de Tejas
[06:45] <ubuntu_> yo soy de argentina
[06:45] <mark_> lemme check if the kernel has a module for your card pjz
[06:45] <ubuntu_> que distribucion nix utilizas??
[06:46] <mark_> pjz, try modprobe matroxfb
[06:46] <rahul> hello all
[06:46] <pjz> mark_: try that when, from where?
[06:46] <chavo> hi
[06:46] <mark_> well you're in terminal right now right?
[06:47] <ubuntu_> hi??
[06:47] <pjz> mark_: yeah - okay, it's not found
[06:47] <mark_> gah
[06:47] <mark_> you might have to compile your own kernel
[06:47] <pjz> ooo, icky
[06:48] <mark_> theres something in the kernel that supports matrox g200
[06:48] <pjz> shouldn't this be a kubuntu bug?
[06:48] <mark_> but i dont know if its on by default
[06:48] <mark_> nah
[06:48] <pjz> I mean, no worries for me - I've built my own kenrels and etc etc for ages
[06:48] <neddiW> hi to all
[06:49] <pjz> but it's mostly unusable for anyone who doesn't know how to break out of the X server
[06:49] <mark_> hihi
[06:49] <neddiW> how do i enable zeroconf in my kubuntu 6.06?
[06:49] <mark_> you might try to install using the alternate install cd
[06:49] <pjz> mark_: oh? there's an alt install CD?
[06:49] <mark_> it may just be a problem with the live one
[06:49] <mark_> ya
[06:49] <rahul> i am trying to compile "file " package .. but it gives me the error "file: could not find any magic files!"
[06:49] <rahul> any ideas ??
[06:49] <mark_> i presume your running x86
[06:49] <mark_> http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//6.06/ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso
[06:50] <pjz> mark_: yeah
[06:50] <pjz> mark_: how do I tell which vefrsion of the CD I'm running? or which version of ubuntu?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> cat /etc/release (i think)
[06:50] <mark_> well yours tried to boot into a kubuntu session right?
[06:50] <mark_> if so its a live cd
[06:50] <pjz> yeah
[06:51] <Dr_willis> cat /etc/lsb-release
[06:51] <mark_> 0.o
[06:51] <pjz> Dr_willis: sweet, thanks
[06:51] <pjz> for the record, this is actaully a 6.10 beta LiveCD
[06:51] <ubuntu_> pjs Do you running ubuntu i live cd now??
[06:51] <mark_> pjz that image i sent you is an ubuntu image :p
[06:51] <mark_> http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//kubuntu/6.06.1/kubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso
[06:51] <mark_> there
[06:52] <pjz> ubuntu_: I'm testing a beta
[06:52] <mark_> wait, edgy eft live cd?
[06:52] <pjz> yes
[06:52] <mark_> that would probably be your problem :\
[06:53] <pjz> ah?
[06:53] <brydenn33> ok i got it working :)
[06:53] <mark_> they might not have worked out support for your card in the new version yet
[06:53] <brydenn33> thanks to chavo
[06:53] <ubuntu_> you are groso
[06:53] <brydenn33> here's my desktop guys...
[06:53] <brydenn33> http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1co0.png
[06:54] <brydenn33> http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/997/snapshot2cl7.png
[06:54] <brydenn33> what ya think :)
[06:54] <pjz> mark_: right, but it's not listed on the KnownProblems wiki page
[06:54] <mark_> well post it on the forum before reporting it as a bug
[06:54] <mark_> and eww proprietary nvidia start bar
[06:55] <pjz> what forum?
[06:55] <mark_> your comp looks like xp junior

[06:55] <brydenn33> its a look
[06:55] <brydenn33> and KDE dont act much different that the XP start bar
[06:55] <ubuntu_> what is the version of linux that run a videos dvd's etc.
[06:55] <brydenn33> so i dont wanna hear it
[06:55] <ubuntu_> ??
[06:55] <mark_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=144
[06:55] <smaggard> mythtv
[06:57] <brydenn33> alright i'm off guys
[06:57] <brydenn33> ttyl
[06:59] <mark_> lol poor gnome users
[06:59] <mark_> no built in bittorrent
[07:00] <Healot> wtf
[07:00] <Healot> desktop doesn't really matter
[07:02] <smaggard> nope
[07:06] <doombox> haha @ kde
[07:06] <AtKaaZ> hi, is there a way to see all hard links' paths of a given filename ? ie. if a file had 5 hard links can one see them all exactly where there are?
[07:06] <doombox> here is my desktop...
[07:09] <doombox> http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/947/snapshot1gu3.png
[07:10] <doombox> AtKaaZ: not sure.
[07:12] <Tm_T> doombox: nice shot, so what's the problem
[07:13] <doombox> lol nothing. Taskbars suck, the less I see them, the better...
[07:13] <doombox> =]
[07:14] <doombox> Some guy posted a shot of his KDE WinClassic lookalike with Nvidia instead of "Start"
[07:14] <neddiW> lnxkde
[07:15] <doombox> Is there any helpful, full-of-knowledge kubuntuers in the room and alive at the moment?
[07:15] <Healot> full-of-knowledge> no one is able to beat this
[07:16] <Healot> just ask, and I am sure some willing to answer
[07:16] <lnxkde> neddiW: sup!?
[07:16] <neddiW> just chillin
[07:17] <neddiW> lnxkde, what was the icon package u had installed?
[07:17] <lnxkde> were?
[07:17] <neddiW> in your kubuntu box maclike
[07:18] <lnxkde> I use one os these 2....
[07:19] <lnxkde> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=45576 or thease http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16564
[07:19] <neddiW> thanks
[07:20] <lnxkde> neddiW: :)
[07:20] <doombox> I have 3 different boxes, 3 diff OS's. All running samba. Kunbuntu out-of-the-box can browse smb shares from OS X / WinXP, however I seem to have issues in making ubuntu share a drive itself via samba. followed instructions here. http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=8659.0 .I did an "sudo apt-get install smbfs" to get the smb file server, followed instructions in the directions, but can't get any other box to even see my ubuntu s
[07:21] <doombox> shouldn't be firewall issues, it's all LAN based..
[07:21] <mark_> samba is a PITA in ubuntu atm
[07:21] <doombox> yeah which is strange...
[07:21] <doombox> smb usually aint too tough to config
[07:22] <mark_> personally i prefer nfs
[07:22] <neddiW> lnxkde, crystal diamond icons ROck!@!
[07:22] <mark_> you should see if you can get it running in xp
[07:22] <doombox> I can get OS X to access NFS, however I haven't looked into for XP
[07:22] <mark_> there are some programs that will do it
[07:22] <doombox> are they decently good at it?
[07:22] <mark_> dunno if there are any free ones tho
[07:22] <mark_> yes
[07:23] <doombox> Ok, thanks. I'll take a look at the NFS system.
[07:23] <doombox> Otherwise I may just go the FTP route.
[07:23] <lnxkde> neddiW: that is Vlos the way I want it to look ;)
[07:24] <mark_> im stealing your icons lnxkde
[07:24] <lnxkde> mark_: ;) they are not mine they are of kde-look.org
[07:24] <mark_> no matter
[07:24] <lnxkde> mark_ they rock ;)
[07:24] <mark_> i steal em anyway
[07:24] <lnxkde> lol
[07:24] <mark_> are they a complete set?
[07:25] <mark_> and how complete?
[07:25] <lnxkde> both are a complete set
[07:25] <neddiW> lnxkde, it looks awesome!!! :D
[07:25] <mark_> i think i need to register on freenode to accept d/l
[07:25] <lnxkde> and they are very complete I would say full
[07:25] <lnxkde> mark_: oh
[07:25] <neddiW> lnxkde, DCC failed :S
[07:25] <doombox> neddiW: There's a KDE-to-OSX lookalike step by step here if you are a tiger lover: http://linuxgangster.org/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=15
[07:26] <neddiW> doombox, thankx! ive been trying for days :D
[07:26] <mark_> nooo
[07:26] <mark_> no more osx lookalikes
[07:26] <mark_> we need fresh themes
[07:27] <doombox> I haven't tried it on kubuntu... it was really easy to follow on slackware though..
[07:27] <doombox> I'm still learning the wonders of kubuntu.. is it easy to compile from source with it?
[07:27] <neddiW> mark_,  you are right in some part
[07:27] <lnxkde> doombox: you have to learn the paths
[07:27] <doombox> I keep hearing something about "OGRE" instead of the good ol' 3 stepper ./configure, make, make install
[07:27] <mark_> you need to install a bunch of packages first but ya pretty much
[07:28] <lnxkde> doombox: paths change somethimes not like a slackare and gentoo system that yiou do ./configure make make install
[07:28] <doombox> I keep wanting to go to /etc/rc.d/ when i want to tweak startup items. :( lol
[07:29] <doombox> ok thanks lnxkde, i'll try to find a good manual on that...
[07:29] <mark_> argh you gave me virus'd icons
[07:29] <mark_> or my system is shutting down
[07:29] <doombox> were you logged in as root mark_?
[07:30] <mark_> i wasnt supposed to? 'o'
[07:31] <doombox> Here's a little question. Kubuntu is there any conventional way to change your shortcuts? I mean I just did a Run Command: kcontrol '
[07:31] <doombox> they only seem to have system settings which doesn't include the shortcut list.. you know?
[07:32] <doombox> in a default install of the menu... found that kind of strange...
[07:32] <mark_> system settings -> regional & accesibility -> keyboard shortcuts
[07:32] <doombox> yeah
[07:32] <doombox> I always miss the simple things like that. Thanks mark_ :(
[07:32] <mark_> my only problem with the new icons is that the trash is too transparent
[07:32] <mark_> and np
[07:33] <shriphani> guys how do i play mp3 in kubuntu
[07:33] <doombox> i enjoy xmms personally, but that's not a default isntall of kubuntu
[07:34] <shriphani> i tried installing libxine-extracodecs
[07:34] <mark_> enable all your repos and install libxine-extracodecs
[07:34] <fateisajester> i dont mean to be a pain, but im still running into permission issues with umount. i cannot get drwxwrxwrx. defaults are dr-x------. can someone please gimme a hint?
[07:34] <mark_> have you tried editing fstab?
[07:35] <fateisajester> will that work with a ntfs volume?
[07:35] <doombox> erm
[07:35] <mark_> ya
[07:36] <mark_> just enter: defaults,nls=utf8, umask=007, gid=46 under your options section
[07:36] <mark_> for your ntfs partition that is
[07:37] <fateisajester> thx
[07:38] <mark_> ugh, it uses ipods for media players
[07:46] <shriphani> how  do i play mp3 ?
[07:46] <Felin> >.> Yay, seem like a noob time for me!
[07:47] <Felin> If anyone is willing to help, I have a few questions about Kubuntu.
[07:47] <Healot> !ask
[07:47] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:47] <shriphani> !mp3
[07:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:49] <Slackery> !smb
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <Felin> Ok, one issue I have is finding the drivers for both my sound and video card. Another is changing the screen resolution. On top of that, this is my first time using any OS aside from Windows, so...I have no idea what I'm doing. ^_^
[07:49] <Slackery> video card's name?
[07:49] <Felin> ATI Rage 128
[07:49] <Slackery> go to ati.com
[07:49] <Felin> Tried.
[07:49] <Slackery> they have a linux driver page, but honestly...
[07:49] <Slackery> ATI rage 128 is old enough it should be auto-working
[07:49] <Felin> They no longer have the codecs for it.
[07:50] <Slackery> Do you know window's shortcuts?
[07:50] <Felin> It does yes, but without all the pretty options I had on Windows, or do I not get those anymore?
[07:50] <Slackery> ex. Winkey+R , Alt+tab ?
[07:50] <Slackery> is that how you navigate?
[07:51] <Felin> Not at all. ^_^;;; I click with my mouse, and stuff happens. Actually, the entire Open Source thing is intimadting to me.
[07:51] <Slackery> Hmm right click desktop, do screensaver, and click the OpenGL section. Those should be semi-decent on a Rage 128
[07:51] <Slackery> if they are really laggy you're probably doing software mode
[07:51] <Slackery> Ahh, well those are shortcut keys for the OS you left... hehe
[07:52] <shriphani> guys apt-get libxine-etracodecs is obsolete
[07:52] <Felin> Ok, here's an important question.
[07:52] <shriphani> pt-get says ^
[07:53] <Felin> Formatting my extra drives, is there a way to do it without running the installer all over again?
[07:53] <Slackery> Yeah, it has a drive manager.
[07:53] <Felin> I shall hunt for that then.
[07:53] <Slackery> For sound Felin: You have a sound icon on your bottom right corner of task menu?
[07:53] <Felin> Mhmm.
[07:53] <Slackery> Click it, then go to Mixer
[07:54] <Slackery> Current Mixer:   --------------------> What does it say?
[07:54] <Felin> Nothing at all.
[07:54] <Slackery> ok ^_^
[07:54] <Felin> Is this bad?
[07:54] <Slackery> click that drop down make sure it isn't magically there
[07:54] <Slackery> well it just means your sound card didn't auto-detect, is all
[07:54] <Felin> Nope, it's not there.
[07:54] <Slackery> are you on a laptop?
[07:55] <Felin> Nope.
[07:55] <Slackery> know what your sound card is, exactly?
[07:55] <Felin> An AWE64
[07:59] <neddiW> lnxkde
[08:00] <brendonjt> hi all any new zealanders here???
[08:01] <xhitmanx> brendonjt: yep
[08:01] <neddiW> cuantos Boricuas hay aki?
[08:01] <brendonjt> cool  just wondering i am trying to get konqueror  to work with anz banking any help there?
[08:02] <brendonjt> xhitmanx: :as above to you
[08:04] <xhitmanx> what sort of plugins is it using?
[08:04] <xhitmanx> have u tried firefox?
[08:05] <brendonjt> xhitmanx: : yeah  had to install it to do my banking,  but i like konqueror  it is nicer and less resource hungry  unlike forefox
[08:07] <Felin> >.> Speaking of said web browser...
[08:07] <Felin> How does one go about getting flash installed onto it.
[08:08] <xhitmanx> for firefox?
[08:08] <smaggard> which browser?
[08:08] <Felin> No, Konqueror
[08:08] <smaggard> umm iunno
[08:08] <xhitmanx> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[08:09] <xhitmanx> no thats mozilla
[08:09] <brendonjt> will that work for  konqueror
[08:09] <xhitmanx> i follow this for everything :)
[08:09] <xhitmanx> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[08:09] <Healot> that flash plugin will work in konq
[08:09] <Felin> >.> I shalt look at it.
[08:10] <Healot> just need to update the konq plugin list, most of the time konq do that automagically
[08:11] <brendonjt> xhitmanx: : i use that  to  it is like the holy grail  for me
[08:11] <calcmandan> Does anyone have any howto's on getting 6.06.1 LTS on a bootable thumb drive I can read up on?
[08:12] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: how big is your thumbdrive?
[08:12] <Healot> it's somewhere on the ubuntu community doc
[08:12] <calcmandan> 2gb
[08:12] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: at a very fundamental level i wouldnt recommend it.
[08:12] <unix_infidel> flash memory isnt designed to run operating systems.
[08:12] <Healot> finding a doc in ubuntu community doc is like searching for heaven
[08:12] <unix_infidel> it'll ruin your drive quickly.  but hey if you find 20bucks for a new flash drive, go a head.
[08:13] <calcmandan> I want to do it more for an emergency thing.
[08:13] <brendonjt> Healot: :you  not wrong there  like finding a needle in a haystack
[08:13] <calcmandan> how does using a flash drive to hold an OS bad for the flash memory?
[08:13] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: by all means.  but make sure you dont put an entire desktop install on there.
[08:14] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: flash memory just isnt designed to do that kind IO
[08:14] <calcmandan> cd cdrom
[08:14] <calcmandan> woops
[08:14] <calcmandan> that's the first I've heard of it.
[08:14] <unix_infidel> :)
[08:15] <Healot> brendonjt, i was being religious :0
[08:15] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: dont listen to me, just watch as your drive creeps as you use it to run an OS every day.
[08:15] <calcmandan> there are vendors out there who sell flash drives with preinstalled os's.  they're just selling juink then.
[08:15] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: no, they arent, they are selling them for the purpose of running OSs as a portable solution.
[08:15] <calcmandan> well, the drive was a gift and i thought it would be great to have it for emergencies.
[08:15] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: granted, for emergencies its a great recovery tool.
[08:16] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: just make sure you dont load an entire desktop OS on there.  Whatever distro you go with.
[08:16] <calcmandan> it was either kubuntu or dsl
[08:16] <brendonjt> Healot: : i know  but it is the truth  though
[08:16] <Healot> yes
[08:16] <Healot> haha
[08:16] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: honestly, both are good choices.
[08:16] <Healot> I rather not search around ubuntu's doc
[08:16] <unix_infidel> i run dsl from a qemu-embedded all the time on a network share.
[08:16] <calcmandan> do you know any great howto's?
[08:17] <calcmandan> i suppose not.
[08:17] <calcmandan> unix_infidel: Thank you for the advice either way.
[08:18] <Healot> none atm
[08:18] <unix_infidel> calcmandan: a quick google.
[08:18] <unix_infidel> should do you a lot of good.
[08:18] <unix_infidel> there is no one "great" aka right way to do it.
[08:18] <Healot> if you define great as in Alexander the Great (Gay) man
[08:18] <brendonjt> xhitmanx: :  yeah i have the firefox plugins  for that  i am wanting it for konqueror  though  not firefox
[08:18] <calcmandan> i already google'd it though bro.
[08:22] <xhitmanx> brendonjt: im not sure then sorry.
[08:22] <xhitmanx> brendonjt: whats not working?  the login?
[08:23] <unix_infidel> anyone here use delicious to manage their bookmarks?
[08:23] <brendonjt> xhitmanx: i get to the login  when i click enter  it opens a new  tab saying fetching details  then just stays there,  do the the same thing under ff and it is like a 2 second wonder i can do my banking and the likes
[08:23] <unix_infidel> is there a firefox plugin for it?
[08:24] <brendonjt> unix_infidel: : for  what?
[08:24] <unix_infidel> brendonjt: being able to bookmark things directly to del.ic.ious from firefox without having to login and paste the url.
[08:24] <xhitmanx> unix_infidel: i use it, yeah there is, and it downloaded when i signed up
[08:24] <unix_infidel> xhitmanx: find it more useful than traditional browser bookmarking?
[08:25] <xhitmanx> yeah kinda, my bookmarks toolbar is where the ones i click all the time are.
[08:25] <xhitmanx> but for random pages u want to see again it is
[08:25] <unix_infidel> hmm.
[08:45] <kraut> moin
[08:48] <fateisajester> he y i just went to walmart and decided to get a video card so that i can have 3d acceleration. before i open the box i wanted to ask if anyone know weather or not it will work. it is a geforce mx4000
[08:53] <tejinder> whats the difference between edgy eft and edgy+1?
[08:55] <Godrin> fateisajester: normally it should work
[08:55] <fateisajester> so what would be abnormal
[08:56] <Godrin> fateisajester: really strange problems, that can likely be solved somehow :p
[08:56] <fateisajester> lol
[08:56] <Godrin> but..
[08:56] <Godrin> why did you buy an mx-card?
[08:56] <fateisajester> i was at walmart\
[08:57] <fateisajester> it waseither that or an ati
[08:57] <Godrin> they're so _not_ 3d-accelating
[08:57] <Godrin> at least AFAIK
[08:58] <fateisajester> well, im gunna give it a shot. i have bitchx installed, so i might be back in a min with x probs
[08:58] <fateisajester> lol
[08:59] <fateisajester> bbl
[08:59] <fateisajester> thx for the help
[09:09] <sakitel> #ubuntu
[09:11] <knapper> hey guys, I had ubuntu then installed kubuntu-desktop. When I boot up I still get the gdm, how can I switch it to kdm?
[09:12] <Healot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:12] <Healot> select kdm as the default desktop manager
[09:12] <knapper> oh that was easy :)
[09:12] <knapper> thanks mate
[09:18] <giorg> -leave
[09:21] <martinjh99> Anyone know when Edgy is being released??
[09:22] <Healot> in october, martinjh99
[09:22] <martinjh99> Anyone know when Edgy is being released??
[09:23] <Healot> talk the about edgy on #ubuntu+1 or ubuntu.com :-
[09:24] <martinjh99> Any exact date??
[09:24] <Healot> in october really, but do you want it t be delayed?
[09:24] <martinjh99> Not really...  Just wondering... :)
[09:24] <Healot> isnt that up to canonical?
[09:25] <Healot> they did delay dapper
[09:25] <martinjh99> Yeah I know...  Guess I'll have to wait and see...
[09:26] <Healot> you can always dl the test flights
[09:26] <Healot> or knot :)
[09:26] <cpk2> its october 26th or something i think
[09:26] <banjooie> ....
[09:26] <banjooie> Christ, I'm sure this is awesome when you get used to it
[09:26] <banjooie> but the learning curve is death
[09:27] <cpk2> its rc1 right now right?
[09:27] <cpk2> banjooie: whats the problem?
[09:27] <martinjh99> I did try and update a Dapper installation to edgy - worked ok
[09:27] <martinjh99> But I'm waiting for the real thing though... ;)
[09:27] <banjooie> Oh, just in general.
[09:27] <banjooie> Learning how to instal programs when I'm used to doubleclicking them.
[09:27] <Healot> martinjh99, just one verb, "wait"
[09:27] <banjooie> The, er, consistent need to get into terminal to do pretty much anything
[09:27] <banjooie> Don't get me wrong, I am certain this opens up a wide variety of options I previously didn't have with Windows.
[09:28] <banjooie> I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying it's a /huge/ shift and there really aren't many guides out there to make it simple for people who simply /have never used UNIX/.
[09:28] <cpk2> banjooie: with (k)ubuntu there is mostly a gui for almost everything
[09:28] <banjooie> Yeah, except...installing without using Adept.
[09:28] <banjooie> Killing processes--the only reason I'm any good at this is I fucked around with SVCHOST a lot on Windows.
[09:29] <cpk2> banjooie: the wiki has many walkthroughs for the basics and you can get synaptic for kde if you dont like adept
[09:29] <banjooie> er, the issue is not how good adept is
[09:29] <cpk2> personally i think apt-get is easier than adept
[09:29] <banjooie> the issue is that the walkthroughs I've managed to find are
[09:29] <banjooie> 'Used to other versions of Linux? :D?'
[09:29] <banjooie> Don't get me wrong. I am very much getting used to this, and may even have it in a week or two.
[09:29] <banjooie> It's just that it's a scary, scary shift.
[09:30] <cpk2> banjooie: you havent found what you needed on the ubuntu wiki?
[09:30] <cpk2> or the forums
[09:30] <banjooie> No, the Ubuntu Wiki was mostly
[09:30] <banjooie> 'Hi, here's how you do it if you're used to other Linux'.
[09:31] <cpk2> =\
[09:31] <banjooie> I have these basics via yelling at people I know now, but finding them is hard.
[09:31] <cpk2> heh, and I've always thought the wiki was mostly easy copy paste
[09:32] <banjooie> There is no copy pasta, only Zuul.
[09:32] <cpk2> zuul?
[09:33] <banjooie> ....
[09:33] <banjooie> yes.
[09:34] <cpk2> err whats zuul?
[09:34] <banjooie> haven't you ever watched ghostbusters
[09:35] <cpk2> i suppose, but its been a while
[09:43] <fateisajester> ok i got the vid card installed and tux racer is running great so i wanted to start playing doom. i installed everything that said doom in synaptic but i dont see it under games. how do i start doom?
[09:45] <Healot> !find doom
[09:45] <ubotu> Found: freedoom, kdoomsday, lxdoom, lxdoom-sndserv, lxdoom-svga (and 6 others)
[09:45] <Healot> and  6 others lol
[09:45] <Healot> !info lxdoom
[09:45] <ubotu> lxdoom: Unix port of boom, an enhanced version of DOOM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.4-9.2 (dapper), package size 286 kB, installed size 480 kB
[09:46] <fateisajester> thx
[09:46] <fateisajester> im still learning how to use a command line
[09:47] <fateisajester> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:47] <fateisajester> oops
[09:47] <fateisajester> bash: !find: event not found
[09:48] <fateisajester> do i have to install the !find command?
[09:52] <Healot> fateisajester, wtf... it works here, it's not a UNIX/Linux commands btw
[09:52] <ubuntu_> yay im attempting to install edgy
[09:54] <fateisajester> sorry im still learning
[09:54] <ubuntu_> what's wrong?
[09:56] <fateisajester> i misinterpretid(sp?) a bot command as a linux command
[09:57] <ubuntu_> this channel has no mods?
[09:57] <ubuntu_> botsnack is not a shell command
[09:57] <fateisajester> i was all like do i have to install the !find command, and now i feel quite stupid
[09:57] <ubuntu_> !botsnack
[09:57] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:58] <Healot> !ops
[09:58] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak or Hawkwind
[09:59] <Healot> fateisajester, btw there is a "find" command in GNU/Linux
[09:59] <Healot> fufufuf
[09:59] <ubuntu_> gnomefreak is a mod in the kubuntu channel
[09:59] <ubuntu_> i dont like the sound of that
[09:59] <Healot> without the exclamation point
[09:59] <Riddell> Healot: hmm?
[10:03] <Hawkwind> Healot: Need something ?
[10:05] <carlos_> hola alguin que me pueda ayudar
[10:05] <Healot> ubuntu_> this channel has no mods? >>c'est  repondez
[10:05] <ubuntu_> no
[10:06] <ubuntu_> restarting my computer now bye
[10:06] <Healot> !es
[10:06] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:07] <RichEd> kyrvin: hello & ping
[10:07] <kyrvin> RichEd: Hello
[10:08] <kyrvin> RichEd: I really don't get the time zones right
[10:09] <RichEd> No problem :) We are both on the same time zone now I think ... it is 10:09 for me in Cape Town
[10:10] <RichEd> kyrvin: When would you like to chat ? I need 10-15 minutes to go through your emails ... and am free any time after that.
[10:10] <kyrvin> RichEd: Thats ok. Then I need something to eat :)
[10:11] <RichEd> kyrvin: Great. I'll ping you at 30 past the hour.
[10:13] <windshear> Hello
[10:13] <windshear> If you use the install script and you have entered all the requested data you get to the -Ready to install- screen. This shows you the summary of the necessary info you provided to install kubuntu. (Language, Keyboard layout... till grub).
[10:13] <windshear> Then there is a note: If you continue, the changes listed below will be written to the disks. [...]
[10:13] <windshear> But unfortunately there are no changes listed below eventhough I told the script to format 2 partitions.
[10:14] <windshear> In 6.06 the changes were listed correctly.
[10:15] <cpk2> windshear: you trying to install edgy?
[10:15] <windshear> yes
[10:16] <cpk2> i think #ubuntu+1 would know better ;)
[10:17] <windshear> hm, is the installer the same in ubuntu as in kubuntu?
[10:18] <cpk2> windshear: I think i heard someone saying the kubuntu installer wasnt as good but i dont really know
[10:29] <banjooie> Uh, stupid question--how do I refresh the list of apps in the K menu?
[10:30] <fateisajester> ctl alt backspace
[10:30] <abattoir> banjooie: kbuildsycoca --incremental
[10:31] <cpk2> fateisajester: NO that restarts kde
[10:31] <abattoir> banjooie: or try restarting kicker(not sure if that refreshes the kmenu though)
[10:31] <fateisajester> wouldn't it refresh it though?
[10:31] <abattoir> banjooie: 'dcop kicker kicker restart'
[10:31] <_Shade_> hey guys. How can I confirm my public key in launchpad ?
[10:32] <banjooie> okay, that seems to have worked
[10:32] <banjooie> interesting, despite having installed superkaramba, it's still not showing up.
[10:32] <RichEd> kyrvin: you there ?
[10:32] <kyrvin> Yes
[10:33] <RichEd> kyrvin: would you like to join me in #ubuntu-education
[10:33] <_Shade_> i followed the instructions given but still have no idea how to encrypt the message
[10:33] <kyrvin> Yes
[10:33] <_Shade_> i mean decrypt
[10:35] <cpk2> fateisajester: yes it would, doesnt it mean thats how it should be done =)
[10:35] <fateisajester> i didnt know about the other ways thats how i always did it
[10:38] <cpk2> banjooie: not in "utilities"?
[10:41] <banjooie> um
[10:41] <banjooie> No.
[10:41] <banjooie> Also after running easyubuntu it...doesn't seem to have done anything.
[10:42] <banjooie> like, I have the GUI open, the log claims it's installed a bunch of crap.
[10:42] <cpk2> eek
[10:42] <cpk2> easy ubuntu
[10:42] <banjooie> ...
[10:43] <banjooie> What the--
[10:43] <cpk2> !easyubuntu
[10:43] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[10:43] <cpk2> use at your own risk ><
[10:43] <banjooie> Last night, I said 'HEY I INSTALLED AUTOMATIX' and everyone whined at me for that.
[10:43] <banjooie> Now everyone's whining at me for using easyubuntu.
[10:43] <Torched_> !gtk
[10:43] <ubotu> gtk is the gimp toolkit, which forms the base of Gnome and a lot of other applications
[10:43] <banjooie> and I'm not saying zomg fix
[10:43] <banjooie> I'm saying 'argh'. D: That's all.
[10:43] <cpk2> lol
[10:43] <banjooie> automatix at least WORKED.
[10:43] <cpk2> well now you know =P
[10:43] <banjooie> Now I know that Linux is designed to be impossible to use? :P
[10:44] <cpk2> nah
[10:44] <cpk2> i think i did everything that automatix/easyubuntu would do in about 15 minnutes probably
[10:44] <cpk2> assuming they just install essential stuff
[10:45] <banjooie> it's stuff like java/flash/etc, and ati drivers, things like that
[10:45] <banjooie> automatix installs shit like GIMP
[10:46] <zorglu_> !language
[10:46] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:46] <banjooie> ....now, the question is: Couldn't you yourself have said 'watch your language'?
[10:47] <banjooie> anyway, since I'm entirely too bored of getting alternately told 'Use x program, y program sucks', then 'argh, why are you using x program, use z program', I'mma vammose.
[10:50] <cpk2> i think it should have been vamanos
[10:50] <cpk2> unless that wasnt spanish
[10:51] <hsihh> what is alternative for flash?
[10:51] <hsihh> to make a goodlooking sites
[10:51] <zorglu_> no real alternative to flash
[10:51] <zorglu_> the closest being called 'web2.0'
[10:52] <hsihh> but web2.0
[10:57] <visik7> will kubuntu edgy have support for apport ???
[11:15] <giangi> salve
[11:22] <hsihh> what is kde pluses comparing to gnome and kfce and flxbox?
[11:22] <cpk2> hsihh: alot of it is just personal preference
[11:23] <hsihh> cpk2 ie
[11:25] <hsihh> in example?
[11:25] <cpk2> hsihh: what do you mean? alot of it is just how you like how it behaves and stuff
[11:26] <fuzzy> hi there
[11:27] <fuzzy> i got a question... i'm trying to mount a FAT32 partition, which QTParted says to be 71% full. But when i look at the mounted filesystem, it's empty
[11:27] <cpk2> you look at the wiki?
[11:28] <cpk2> !fat32
[11:28] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:28] <fuzzy> when i right-click on in in konqueror, it also says it's 71% full, but i see no content
[11:28] <fuzzy> automount doesn't work either
[11:28] <hsihh> cpk2 - i think now that kde is good for beginners. but what if beginner has really old computer/
[11:30] <cpk2> i suppose fluxbox is less demanding
[11:30] <fuzzy> idea anyone?
[11:30] <cpk2> fuzzy: sorry, not familiar with windows FS stuff =(
[11:31] <fuzzy> ok, thanks anyway!
[11:32] <helpmw> I deleted the sources.list file by an accident, how do I create a new one?
[11:32] <mindspin> !easysource
[11:32] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:41] <TwrKeeper> help
[11:42] <TwrKeeper> my sudo isn't functioning
[11:42] <pierre_> hi
[11:42] <TwrKeeper> i somehow lost my ... host name or something
[11:42] <pierre_> i need help... i have a *,pst file from outlook around 500mb big... all with emails is there any propper way to get them into evolution or kmail?
[11:43] <cpk2> TwrKeeper: huh?
[11:43] <TwrKeeper> i'm simo@(none)
[11:43] <TwrKeeper> sudo says it cant lookup the host name
[11:44] <cpk2> thats odd
[11:44] <TwrKeeper> I think i removed the host name from systemsettings -> network settings
[11:45] <TwrKeeper> how do i get it back?
[11:46] <cpk2> TwrKeeper: what does cat /etc/hostname say?
[11:46] <andrivid> Hey umm..i start gaim by konsole, and it gives me beta3.1, but by the KMenu i get 1.5 , why the difference?
[11:47] <TwrKeeper> cpk2: i'm on win32 now because i couldn't get internet working without sudo :/
[11:48] <TwrKeeper> i'll try google
[11:48] <andrivid> i start gaim by konsole, and it gives me beta3.1, but by the KMenu i get 1.5 , why the difference?
[11:49] <cpk2> TwrKeeper: looks like maybe /etc/init.d/hostname.sh will give you your hostname back?
[11:49] <cpk2> i'm not really sure
[11:49] <andrivid> cpk?
[11:50] <TwrKeeper> cpk2: do i need root privileges to edit that?
[11:51] <cpk2> TwrKeeper: you run it, and you might need root to run it, in fact you most likely need root to run it
[11:51] <cpk2> TwrKeeper: you might just be able to edit /etc/hostname and put your hostname in there
[11:51] <cpk2> i am not really sure how it decides your hostname
[11:52] <TwrKeeper> if i hadn't hangover this would be funny
[11:52] <TwrKeeper> but thx, i'll go try those things
[11:52] <TwrKeeper> bbl
[11:55] <buz_> is there a way to query for smart variables on an usb hd?
[11:56] <cpk2> i'm sure which ever smart prog you use can do it?
[11:56] <buz_> doesnt seem like it
[11:56] <buz_> hddtemp /dev/sda says smart is not supported
[11:57] <buz_> but i know that the drive i use in the enclosure can do smart
[11:57] <rambo3> s.m.a.r.t, ?
[11:57] <buz_> yes
[11:57] <cpk2> you might need to tell it to use sata?
[11:57] <cpk2> or have they not done sata yet?
[11:57] <buz_> its an usb device
[11:57] <buz_> usb-ata enclosure
[11:57] <cpk2> yes but its on sda
[11:58] <buz_> sata actually works
[11:58] <cpk2> so it treats it as a serial correct?
[11:58] <buz_> just tested
[11:59] <buz_> mhh not sure what the s means, i THOUGHT it stood for scsi
[11:59] <buz_> as sata and usb are emulated as scsi devices?
[11:59] <buz_> thing is this, there's a fan in the usb thingy
[12:00] <buz_> which makes noise beyond belief and i try to figure out if it's really needed
[12:01] <buz_> also theres another thing about usb drives i dont get
[12:01] <buz_> if i connect one, i get it mounted automagically
[12:01] <buz_> if i connect more than one, i either dont get any of them mounted or just the first
[12:02] <buz_> i know how to mount it from the console, it's just more work :)
[12:17] <damiano> ciao a tutti
[12:18] <JohnFlux> Riddell: could you update gnucash in kubuntu ;-)
[12:18] <JohnFlux> Riddell: 2.0.0 has some terrible crashing bugs
[12:18] <damiano> hello
[12:18] <damiano> i have finished to install kubuntu 6.10
[12:19] <Riddell> JohnFlux: we're in upstream version freeze so it would need to be justified "terrible crashing bugs" sounds like good justification though
[12:19] <damiano> samba not work! :(
[12:19] <Riddell> JohnFlux: but it's not my area, you need to find a gnome type in #ubuntu-motu
[12:19] <damiano> what is the command to start samba?
[12:19] <Riddell> damiano: if you have it installed it should start automatically
[12:20] <damiano> yes but not work
[12:20] <Riddell> JohnFlux: actually edgy has 2.0.1-3ubuntu3
[12:20] <damiano> damiano@damiano:~$ samba
[12:20] <damiano> bash: samba: command not found
[12:20] <damiano> damiano@damiano:~$ sudo samba
[12:20] <damiano> Password:
[12:20] <damiano> sudo: samba: command not found
[12:20] <damiano> damiano@damiano:~$
[12:20] <octan> damiano, are you trying to run a smba server or just connect to a smba share ?
[12:20] <damiano> samba server
[12:21] <buz_> sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[12:21] <damiano> i trying
[12:21] <damiano> damiano@damiano:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[12:21] <damiano> sudo: /etc/init.d/samba: command not found
[12:21] <damiano> damiano@damiano:~$
[12:21] <octan> apt-get install samba-common
[12:21] <D4rkly> how can i enable the amarok kopete song notification thing. i cant find the option anymore ?
[12:21] <damiano> is installed!
[12:21] <octan> and apt-get install samba
[12:22] <damiano> mmmm samba is obsolete
[12:22] <octan> damiano nexy go grab swat or webmin to configure it with,, i prefer webmin
[12:22] <damiano> is it not installed
[12:22] <octan> hmm
[12:23] <damiano> damiano@damiano:~$ sudo apt-cache search webmin
[12:23] <damiano> damiano@damiano:~$
[12:23] <octan> no thats not in the repsos
[12:23] <damiano> the problem are the repositiry
[12:23] <octan> alright
[12:23] <damiano> i have edgy 6.10
[12:24] <damiano> i have this:
[12:24] <damiano> deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[12:24] <damiano> deb-src http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[12:24] <damiano> this..
[12:24] <damiano> deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted
[12:24] <damiano> deb-src http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted
[12:24] <damiano> this.