[00:26] <davecheney> thumper: // InitializeFromConfig needs to be called once after the environment
[00:26] <davecheney> func InitializeFromConfig(config PreferIPv6Getter) { globalPreferIPv6 = config.PreferIPv6() logger.Infof("setting prefer-ipv6 to %v", globalPreferIPv6)
[00:26] <davecheney> }
[00:26] <davecheney> urgh
[00:26] <davecheney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13356006/
[00:26] <davecheney> this method does not do what it's comment says
[00:26] <thumper> wa?
[00:26] <davecheney> it initalises nothing
[00:26] <davecheney> unless it's a side effect of calling config.PreferIPv6
[00:27] <thumper> davecheney: it sets the global variable
[00:27] <thumper> globalPreferIPv6 = config.PreferIPv6()
[00:28] <davecheney> oh fuck
[00:28] <davecheney> welp, there's another data race
[00:30] <davecheney> really ?
[00:35] <perrito666> davecheney: can we call you "the prolific dave cheney" from now on?
[00:36] <perrito666> http://features.slashdot.org/story/15/11/18/1748247/interviews-alan-donovan-and-brian-kernighan-answer-your-questions <-- for those who have not seen it, dave is featured in a Q&A by D&K
[00:40] <davecheney> \o/
[00:40] <davecheney> i have to be honest
[00:40] <davecheney> i never read that post
[00:40] <davecheney> it was full of toxic slashdotters
[00:40] <davecheney> maybe I should try again
[00:42] <perrito666> Nothing new but you are named as a proposer of the solution to version handling in go pks
[00:43] <davecheney> orly
[00:43] <perrito666> The rest of the questions are same old ones
[00:43] <davecheney> i should *definitely* read that then :)
[00:44] <wwitzel3> how often does the upgrade watcher cycle?
[00:52] <thumper> davecheney: I want to change s/Opener/APIOpener/ back, as envcmd.Opener doesn't really describe it, but envcmd.APIOpener does a bit more
[00:52] <thumper> davecheney: can you live with that?
[00:53] <davecheney> thumper: sure
[00:54]  * thumper move back to sitting deck
[01:12] <axw> wallyworld_: I'm back, free to chat whenever you're ready
[01:13] <wallyworld_> axw: ok, i have another meeting in 15 and need to do some other stuff also so best to wait to our schedule time
[01:13] <axw> wallyworld_: nps
[02:36] <davecheney> thumper: menn0 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3785
[02:45] <thumper> davecheney: shipit
[02:46] <davecheney> ta
[03:06] <cherylj> hey menn0, are you going to make the change to TestFilesystemInfo?  or are you still waiting on input from mwhudson?
[03:18] <davecheney> thumper: menn0 http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/5520/console
[03:18] <davecheney> here is a great example of why always using etsting.BaseSuite is a bad idea
[03:19] <davecheney> in this case the test has failed because testing.Base suite also sets up some networking crap
[03:19] <davecheney> even though the test is just checking did something get written to the log at trace level
[03:20] <natefinch> it boggles my mind that we have tests that depend on the log output.
[03:20] <mgz> ...?
[03:21] <mgz> it makes sense to tese your logging isn't crap
[03:21] <mgz> it doesn't make sense to do that at a functional test
[03:24] <natefinch> there are some very specific circumstances where you would want to unit test some logging, I can understand that.   But it should be the exception rather than the rule.... and we have a ton of tests that'll fail if you disable logging (I know, I tried it back when I tried to make our failed test output not so horrific)
[03:26] <davecheney> completely bonkers
[03:27] <natefinch> we have a bad habit in juju tests of testing crap we really don't actually care about, so our tests are brittle, and break for ridiculous reasons, like fixing typos
[03:28] <davecheney> for example
[03:28] <davecheney> we have a method to set a global singleton to true, or false
[03:28] <davecheney> and a third method that set it to false, but doens't log that's done anything
[03:28] <davecheney> da fuq
[03:29] <davecheney> and tests that rely on this behaviour
[03:32] <davecheney> while i'm having a rant
[03:32] <davecheney> i'm really pissed that all the test break if you don't have LXD installed
[03:32] <davecheney> and not in a
[03:32] <davecheney> c.FailNow("You don't have LCD installed")
[03:32]  * natefinch hangs head.
[03:33] <davecheney> they fail because something in the guts of the code the test is calling is shelling out to /usr/bin/lxd
[03:33] <davecheney> and trying to parse the output
[03:33] <davecheney> really shit
[03:33] <natefinch> Sorry, yeah, we should fix that.
[03:34] <natefinch> I'll file a bug for it.  Just didn't think of it, since we'd all installed LXD in order to be hacking on it.
[03:34] <davecheney> thanks
[03:35] <davecheney> i already logged a bug about the lxd provisioner failing horribly whne lxd is not installed
[03:35] <davecheney> natefinch: open question: how did this pass in CI ?
[03:35] <natefinch> / +build go1.3
[03:35] <natefinch> :p
[03:36] <natefinch> the lxd library uses some tsl function that's only in go 1.3+
[03:36] <natefinch> tls
[03:36] <natefinch> so the answer is... the tests don't get run in go 1.2... I don't know what happens on the wily build machine
[03:37] <natefinch> eric and wayne were handling most of that
[03:37] <natefinch> (and wily is still non-voting due to go 1.5 problems)
[03:38] <davecheney> natefinch: that means the tests are not being run by the landing bot
[03:39] <natefinch> davecheney: yes
[03:39] <davecheney> bummer
[03:39] <natefinch> indeed.   We all wear these now: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0287/4374/products/DSC_8422_1024x1024.jpg?v=1411004337
[03:40] <cherylj> natefinch: should we buy those for the sprint?
[03:40] <davecheney> i'll have one in large thanks
[03:40] <davecheney> make mine extra black
[03:40] <davecheney> like my soul
[03:40] <natefinch> lol
[03:40] <cherylj> davecheney is so emo
[03:40] <davecheney> pain, etc
[03:42] <natefinch> also, this makes me so very sad:
[03:42] <natefinch> /home/nate/src/github.com/juju/juju$ grep -r "ErrorMatches" . | wc -l
[03:42] <natefinch> 2848
[03:43] <natefinch> are there 2800 places where we care what the (more or less) exact error message is?  I doubt it.
[03:44] <davecheney> make that two jumpers
[03:49] <natefinch> does anyone even look at the bugs filed on charms?
[03:51] <natefinch> the wordpress charm is fundamentally broken for people who actually want to like, you know, use wordpress (not just show the login screen).  I reported a bug about it 2 months ago and the bug hasn't even been triaged.
[03:52] <natefinch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/wordpress/+bug/1491995
[03:52] <mup> Bug #1491995: Can't upload files to wordpress <wordpress (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1491995>
[05:23] <Michael_temp> anybody?
[07:07] <mup> Bug #1488523 changed: Azure provider attempts to reuse dying vnet <azure-provider> <bootstrap> <ci> <destroy-environment> <reliability> <repeatability> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488523>
[07:07] <mup> Bug #1494002 changed: azure deployment failure with mem constraints <azure-provider> <constraints> <deploy> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1494002>
[10:01] <voidspace> dimitern: stdup?
[10:02] <dimitern> voidspace, omw, 2m
[10:30] <voidspace> frobware: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3788/files
[10:30] <voidspace> dimitern: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3788/files
[10:42] <voidspace> frobware: I do have test failures on that rebase branch but they're "weird"
[10:43] <voidspace> frobware: can you run tests on that branch please
[10:43] <frobware> voidspace, yep
[10:54] <voidspace> frobware: all tests are passing so far on maas-spaces (as is) for me, so new failures are probably genuine :-/
[10:54] <voidspace> might be worth you re-trying the rebase locally and seeing if you get the same result
[10:59] <frobware> voidspace, that's what I was initially doing.
[11:02] <voidspace> maas-spaces is all pass for me
[11:03] <voidspace> trying master now
[11:12] <frobware> voidspace, I rebased maas-spaces against master; make check works for me too
[11:14] <voidspace> frobware: I'm getting test failures on master - at least some lxd related
[11:14] <voidspace> so that maybe the problem
[11:15] <frobware> voidspace, scrolling back through the chat there is mention of tests failing & (lack of) lxd installation
[11:16] <frobware> voidspace, but given our rebase attempt they should fail in the maas-spaces branch as well... ?
[11:16] <voidspace> container_initialisation_test.go fails on master for me too
[11:16] <voidspace> as far as I can see the tests that fail on the rebase fail on master for me too
[11:17] <voidspace> so should be ok
[11:17] <voidspace> other than tests failing on master being a problem!
[11:17] <voidspace> I'm installing lxd...
[11:25] <frobware> voidspace, master is OK for me. I don't have lxd installed.
[11:49] <voidspace> frobware: I'm on wily, I wonder if that's it
[11:49] <voidspace> installing lxd doesn't make a difference
[11:56] <voidspace> frobware: so do tests pass for you on my rebase branch?
[11:56] <voidspace> if so I'll merge it
[11:57] <frobware> voidspace, let me try your branch
[12:01] <frobware> voidspace, ah. so wily will be go-1.5.
[12:02] <voidspace> frobware: no, I'm using go 1.3.3
[12:02] <voidspace> I thought lxd provider required go 1.5
[12:02] <voidspace> hmmm, it used to - maybe that changed
[12:02] <voidspace> it all builds ok without 1.5
[12:03] <frobware> I have a wily plaground and `apt-get install golang-go' gives me 1.5. Are you building or using your own go build?
[12:04] <voidspace> frobware: yes :-)
[12:12] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: so some of my failing tests on *my WIP branch* (not the rebase branch) were because with the addition of Spaces to NetworkingEnviron the dummy provider was no longer "supporting networking"
[12:12] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: so that's an easy fix
[12:12] <voidspace> thank goodness
[12:12] <dimitern> voidspace, alright!
[12:13] <dimitern> voidspace, nice :)
[13:41] <fwereade> goddammit just as I am properly getting into something I have to go out for a while -- back this evening
[13:41] <perrito666> gluck
[14:39] <perrito666> does anyone know if a maas can be done whith storage from a nas instead of having each machine have storage?
[14:56] <maht> I am maas newbie, but I guess you would need to create a custom image that use the NAS as remote filesystem
[15:14] <mup> Bug #1518347 opened: LXD tests require LXD, but there's no friendly "you don't have LXD" error message <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518347>
[15:20] <mup> Bug #1518347 changed: LXD tests require LXD, but there's no friendly "you don't have LXD" error message <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518347>
[15:23] <mup> Bug #1518347 opened: LXD tests require LXD, but there's no friendly "you don't have LXD" error message <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518347>
[15:26] <mup> Bug #1518347 changed: LXD tests require LXD, but there's no friendly "you don't have LXD" error message <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518347>
[15:43] <voidspace> I have lxd installed, but get lots of test failures "can't connect to the local LXD server"
[15:43] <voidspace> (permission denied)
[15:52] <natefinch> voidspace: weird. we're in a meeting now.  what series are you on?
[16:03] <frobware> voidspace, you still about? did we rebase?
[16:37] <lazypower> o/ - can someone lend a hand in clueing me in as to the purpose/case for JUJU_ACTION_TAG is?
[16:37] <lazypower> it appers to be a copy of JUJU_ACTION_UUID with the word "action" prepended, and thats the only discernable difference
[17:57] <fwereade> lazypower, um, don't use it
[17:57] <fwereade> lazypower, we probably never should have exposed it
[17:57] <fwereade> lazypower, tags are meant to be homogeneous ids for the api layer
[18:02] <voidspace> natefinch: I'm on wily
[18:03] <voidspace> frobware: I didn't merge - I don't get a clean test run on master so it's not easy to tell if the merge works
[18:03] <frobware> voidspace, ack
[18:06] <frobware> voidspace, upstream/maas-spaces rebased seem to be OK though.
[18:12] <voidspace> frobware: did you try my branch?
[18:12] <voidspace> frobware: if tests pass on that I'll merge it
[18:12] <voidspace> frobware: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3788
[18:16] <frobware> voidspace, well they did about 10am... :)
[18:16] <frobware> voidspace, I need to EOD in a bit. If you don't need this until Monday I could double-check again and then merge.
[18:17] <voidspace> frobware: hah, I was waiting for you to tell me you'd tried it...
[18:17] <voidspace> :-p
[18:17] <frobware> voidspace, I did at 10am.
[18:17] <voidspace> frobware: no hurry, Monday is ok
[18:17] <voidspace> frobware: although I haven't touched that branch since, so if they passed then they'll pass now
[18:18] <frobware> voidspace, I subsequently noticed later in the day I was using go 1.5 for that build so I should try again with 1.2.
[18:18] <voidspace> frobware: I think the CI bot will try with 1.2
[18:18] <voidspace> frobware: I've hit $$merge$$ anyway
[18:18] <frobware> good point
[18:18] <voidspace> natefinch: I'm using wily but using go 1.3
[18:40] <alexisb> voidspace, lxd needs at least 1.3, for the lxd provider juju builds with what is in wily 1.5
[18:41] <alexisb> voidspace, not sure if that helps
[18:47] <natefinch> go 1.3 should work fine. I usually build with 1.4.2, just because it's the newest non-1.5 build (and the 1.5 builds are significantly slower).
[18:47] <natefinch> wonder if it's a wily thing
[18:51] <voidspace> alexisb: thanks, I have 1.3
[18:51] <voidspace> it builds fine but I have test failures
[18:52] <alexisb> voidspace, related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1517748
[18:52] <alexisb> ??
[18:52] <mup> Bug #1517748: provider/lxd: test suite panics if lxd not installed <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517748>
[18:52] <voidspace> alexisb: see my comment on that bug
[18:53] <alexisb> aah I hadn't refreshed
[18:53] <voidspace> frobware: test failures for that merge, hard to see if they're the same or related or spurious or what
[18:53] <voidspace> frobware: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/github-merge-juju/5525/console
[18:53] <katco> voidspace: we will be addressing that next week. are you sure you're on tip of master?
[18:53] <voidspace> katco: I was a couple of hours ago...
[18:54] <voidspace> katco: I have lxd installed and still have test failures though
[18:54] <voidspace> katco: so not *entirely* sure it's the same bug
[18:54] <katco> voidspace: is your user in the lxd group?
[18:55] <voidspace> katco: yep
[18:55] <voidspace> I gotta go, 7pm here and guests arriving
[18:55] <voidspace> EOW, sorry
[18:55] <katco> voidspace: np ty for input
[18:55] <katco> voidspace: we'll get it fixed enxt week
[18:56] <voidspace> katco: cool, thanks
[18:56] <frobware> cherylj, I pretty sure I understand why the bond and juju-br0 don't work. Need to futz with our script a bit -
[18:57] <cherylj> frobware: ah, good to hear!
[18:57]  * frobware EOF -- that's End of Friday. :)
[19:09] <rick_h_> frobware: have fun!
[19:18] <katco> natefinch: hey you're going to make sure the min-version branch has a bless before you land it into master, correct?
[19:19] <natefinch> katco: yeah, good point.  I'll move it into a feature branch so it can get CI'd.
[19:19] <katco> natefinch: k
[19:20] <natefinch> katco: it's really not a hugely sweeping change by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it pays to be overly careful given the problems of the recent past.
[19:20] <katco> natefinch: not even a question of impact, it's just policy
[19:23] <natefinch> katco: fair enough
[19:36] <katco> natefinch: talk to mgz or sinzui to see if you can get the next ci run to hit it
[19:37] <mgz> natefinch: I can push your branch into the juju namespace if you need that
[19:46] <natefinch> mgz: that would be very helpful
[19:47] <natefinch> mgz: it's the minver branch on github.com/natefinch/juju
[19:50] <mgz> natefinch: doing it
[20:06] <mgz> natefinch: you are in and up next
[20:07] <natefinch> mgz: thanks
[20:11] <natefinch> rogpeppe3: are you actually here?
[20:35] <natefinch> gah, I really hate it when people leave juju/juju in a state where it can't build against master of its dependent branches.  it means I have to fix the build before I can land anything
[21:48] <natefinch> well, not getting juju min version in today it seems.
[21:49] <katco> natefinch: =/ b/c of the libs ?
[21:50] <natefinch> katco: yeah.  I can land the stuff in charm.v6, but the stuff in master won't be able to go in without fixes first... axw has what might be the fixes on a personal branch, but they're slightly above trivial, so I wouldn't want to touch them without talking to him
[21:51] <katco> natefinch: makes sense. well at least you have ci building against your branch
[21:52] <natefinch> katco: yeah, but I don't think I can make my branch compile for CI, even
[21:54] <natefinch> katco: it works locally because I can hack things so that my commits are against an earlier version of charm.v6, but it can't be set up to run in Ci where it runs godeps
[21:55] <katco> natefinch: oh. doh.
[21:55] <katco> natefinch: well, once your fix to charm.v6 lands, you can patch your feature branch to use that version and run ci, yeah?
[21:56] <natefinch> katco: this is the whole problem... landing the code in charm.v6 means landing after those breaking changes
[21:57] <natefinch> katco: I fcan make it work locally because I can make a local branch off an earlier version of charm..v6 that excludes the breaking changes... but I can't create that kind of a branch in github.com/juju/charm
[21:57] <natefinch> (I mean, In theory an admin could, but it would be a heinous thing to do)
[21:58] <natefinch> I'll update my email to indicate that it's not just master but my feature branch that has this issue.
[21:58] <katco> natefinch: sorry, not sure i understand. you're landing some fixes in charm.v6, why couldn't you patch up your feature branch to be compatible with those changes?
[21:59] <natefinch> katco: oh, I could. They're just slightly beyond trivial... so I wouldn't want to get my feature branch in a bad state if I mess up those fixes
[21:59] <natefinch> katco: if I talk to andrew and confirm that I just need to cherry picky a couple commits, then yeah, I can do that.
[21:59] <katco> natefinch: oh i think i see.. you'd have to apply axw's changes to your feature branch and that is non trivial
[21:59] <natefinch> correct
[21:59] <katco> gotcha
[22:00] <katco> natefinch: can you rebase your feature branch to a blessed version of master?
[22:00] <katco> natefinch: at least then you've utilized your "dead time" and tested up to that point
[22:01] <natefinch> katco: yes, but the problem is in charm.v6, so it would still be there.  The solution could be to make a feature branch in charm.v6 off the earlier blessed version
[22:01] <katco> natefinch: yeah, not a bad use of the "dead time". also looks like mgz just sent an email
[22:01] <katco> natefinch: might have some other stuff to fix up
[22:01] <natefinch> gah, yeah
[22:02] <natefinch> just read it
[22:02] <natefinch> ok, I'll work on that tonight.  Gotta run to make dinner now.
[22:02] <katco> natefinch: have a good thanksgiving
[22:02] <natefinch> katco: you too!
[22:08] <fwereade> hey, do we have a way of flagging long-running tests as not-for-normal-runs?
[22:17] <perrito666> fwereade: I believe we do
[22:44] <fwereade> perrito666, do you happen to know what it might be?
[22:45] <perrito666> fwereade: nope, katco told me a gazillion times and I forgot a gazillion + 1
[22:45]  * fwereade glances hopefully at katco
[22:45] <fwereade> ...although I've almost convinced myself that it's ok to patch just this once
[22:46] <katco> fwereade: o/ is this what you're looking for? https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/featuretests/package_test.go#L15
[22:46] <fwereade> katco, I was wondering if there was something that'd work globally
[22:47] <fwereade> katco, but I am being silly anyway
[22:47] <katco> fwereade: oh, no i don't think we've begun flagging certains tests as long or short yet
[22:47] <fwereade> katco, cheers
[22:48] <katco> fwereade: happy friday to you :)
[22:49] <fwereade> katco, and to you :)
[22:49] <fwereade> katco, by the way, do you recall state/testing.NotifyWatcherC et al?
[22:50] <katco> fwereade: not at all... what is it?
[22:50] <fwereade> katco, it's a test harness for a watcher
[22:50] <fwereade> katco, was wondering, if you'd used it, whether you thought it was a sane interface
[22:51] <katco> fwereade: i haven't used it, sorry :(
[22:51] <fwereade> katco, no worries :)
[22:51] <katco> fwereade: however, i do almost have a working charm that starts an emacs web server. so that must count for something.
[22:51] <fwereade> katco, sweet :D
[22:52] <katco> fwereade: this is going to be such an unholy abomination. i love it.
[22:53] <fwereade> katco, in principle, I heartily approve, but please be ready to pull the plug in case skynet
[22:53] <katco> fwereade: it's too late, dear william. it's already gotten to me.
[22:54]  * fwereade welcomes our new robots overlords
[22:56] <perrito666> uh, robot overlords? sweet I could do with a break on all the thinking stuff
[22:57] <katco> perrito666: i was very happy to see you still using emacs in your tweet :)
[22:57]  * perrito666 is as close to burnout as one can be before being actually burnt
[22:57] <perrito666> katco: it totally stuck this time, Just need to get a bit more proficient, but I am on a good path
[22:57] <katco> perrito666: good to hear
[22:58] <katco> perrito666: the packaging system + use-package is a great combination
[22:58] <perrito666> I might use a couple of hours of my holidays to learn a few tricks more
[22:58] <perrito666> and perhaps tune it a little more
[22:59] <katco> perrito666: this is a fun site: http://emacsrocks.com/
[22:59] <perrito666> I see you are not only working in new clients but also in retention :p
[23:00] <perrito666> my next conquest is to try to get a marker in the lines that are not git committed yet, which is a feature I miss a lot
[23:00] <katco> perrito666: i must do as the master suggests.
[23:03] <katco> perrito666: there might be something better, but a quick scan: https://github.com/nonsequitur/git-gutter-plus
[23:04] <perrito666> nice, actually I am going for something simpler, I am completely happy to use the command line for git :p
[23:05] <perrito666> I just want the +, ~ and - next to the line number
[23:05] <perrito666> Ill try all options I find :D
[23:05] <katco> perrito666: i highly recommend magit as a better way to git
[23:05] <perrito666> uhh, sweet, new github design
[23:06] <katco> perrito666: it's so nice. remind me to show you in dec. if you'd like
[23:06] <perrito666> katco: after years of git, I believe a better way to git is not to git at all :p
[23:06] <perrito666> katco: totally, I always dig learning new tools
[23:06] <katco> magit makes so many things much simpler
[23:06] <katco> i think any gui for git might
[23:06] <katco> but it's nice that it's built into emacs
[23:07] <perrito666> katco: Ill be honest here, the only git guis that I liked where for OSX
[23:07] <perrito666> and iirc, commercial :p
[23:08] <katco> magit might change your mind. it is really nice.
[23:08] <perrito666> git and diff displaying in general can benefit a lot from modern graphic paradigms
[23:08] <perrito666> but hey, in linux Ill take what I can get :p
[23:09] <katco> perrito666: with magit, you have a file you need to merge, you cursor down over the file, hit e and you get a side-by-side with merged at the bottom
[23:09] <katco> red/green highlighting, etc.
[23:10]  * perrito666 watches screenshots
[23:11] <perrito666> I really dig stuff like this https://deeperdesign.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/screen-shot-2011-05-27-at-12-59-14-pm.png
[23:12] <katco> perrito666: here's what ediff looks like: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/LG/issue27/gx/marsden/ediff-merge.gif
[23:12] <katco> perrito666: and then you hit a or b depending on which side you want merged
[23:12] <perrito666> is that motif?
[23:12] <katco> lol no idea
[23:13] <katco> the bottom is the merged version
[23:13] <perrito666> blast from the past :p but hey, I have seen worse, ill give it a shot
[23:33] <mup> Bug #1518480 opened: Invalid storage prevents machine removal <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518480>
[23:33] <mup> Bug #1518482 opened: Invalid storage returned by storage-list causing charm breakage <storage> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518482>


[06:11] <didrocks> good morning
[06:19] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:41] <jibel> Good morning
[06:41] <duflu> Morning didrocks, oSoMoN, jibel
[06:42] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, jibel. Hey duflu
[06:57] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:22] <KGB-0> gnome-panel tags efbdafe Dmitry Shachnev upstream/3.46.0 * Upstream version 3.46.0 * https://deb.li/iiXoN
[08:57] <lissyx> seb128, oSoMoN, I have failed to find how to build aarch64 snap on amd64, msot of the replies on that topics on the forum gets to "do it on aarch64 hw" :(
[08:57] <lissyx> back home :)
[08:57] <lissyx> hello
[10:14] <PaulePanter> Hi. A user upgradet to 22.04, and had *wine* installed, so 32-bit libraries were present on the system.
[10:14] <PaulePanter> /usr/lib/git-core/git-remote-https: error while loading shared libraries: libnettle.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:14] <PaulePanter> libnettle7:i386 was for some reason still installed.
[10:15] <PaulePanter> But it’s of course not applicable to git:amd64.
[10:15] <PaulePanter> Any idea, how such a state can happen?
[10:15] <PaulePanter> ii  libnettle8:amd64 3.7.3-1build2 amd64        low level cryptographic library (symmetric and one-way cryptos)
[10:16] <PaulePanter> https://paste.debian.net/1255917/
[10:19] <PaulePanter> Same for fwupdmgr:
[10:19] <PaulePanter> $ fwupdmgr update
[10:19] <PaulePanter> fwupdmgr: error while loading shared libraries: libnettle.so.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:19] <PaulePanter> Were some snaps not updated?
[10:21] <PaulePanter> I removed alls the i386 packages, and the architecture: apt-get purge -y --allow-remove-essential .*:i386; dpkg --remove-architecture i386
[10:21] <PaulePanter> … but the error is still there.
[10:22] <PaulePanter> $ md5sum /usr/lib/git-core/git-remote-https
[10:22] <PaulePanter> 06261d2ec6732a30453415de392ad77e  /usr/lib/git-core/git-remote-https
[10:33] <PaulePanter> `sudo snap remove snap-store` solved the issue. Why?
[10:33] <PaulePanter> How could that happen?
[10:33] <PaulePanter> snap-store                      41.3-63-gbd822db                  592    latest/stable/…  canonical✓    -
[10:33] <PaulePanter> … was shown before.
[11:53] <seb128> PaulePanter, doesn't make any sense
[11:54] <PaulePanter> That’s what I thought, but that’s how it was. I had the system next to me.
[11:54] <seb128> PaulePanter, what's the output of 'env | grep snap-store' ?
[11:56] <seb128> PaulePanter, there is no reason things outside the snap should load libraries from a snap private dir unless someone did some weird hack to LD env or config
[11:57] <seb128> PaulePanter, it's probably something weird done by the user, removing the snap just workarounded it by removing the content
[11:57] <PaulePanter> seb128: Spot on.
[11:57] <PaulePanter> $ env | grep snap
[11:57] <PaulePanter> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/myuser/lib:/home/myuser/lib::/snap/snap-store/558/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/:/snap/snap-store/558/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[11:57] <PaulePanter> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share:/usr/share:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
[11:57] <PaulePanter> PATH=/home/myuser/Tools:/home/myuser/.local/bin:/home/myuser/.local/bin:/home/myuser/bin:/home/myuser/.cargo/bin:/home/myuser/Tools:/home/myuser/.local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/home/myuser/Projects/mst-backbone-repo:/home/myuser/Projects/fastLK:/home/myuser/Projects/mst-backbone-repo:/home/myuser/Projects/fastLK
[11:58] <seb128> PaulePanter, the XDG and PATHS are fine, theissue is LD_LIBRARY_PATH including /snap/snap-store entries, now to figure out where that's defined...
[11:59] <PaulePanter> It’s a scientist, so probably some weired conda or whatever magic trying to be useful and screwing up.
[16:24] <oSoMoN> seb128, when you have a moment to spare, please review https://github.com/ubuntu/thunderbird/pull/4, thanks!
[17:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, kenvandine did it before me it seems :) Thanks for the fix, I had the email in my inbox and went back to it recently but for some reason I don't have the problem here, I wonder why it doesn't my config
[21:06] <KGB-0> gnome-applets pristine-tar a7f3811 Dmitry Shachnev gnome-applets_3.46.0.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-applets_3.46.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-applets_3.46.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/TET7
[21:06] <KGB-2> gnome-applets upstream/latest 59de76b Dmitry Shachnev * pushed 24 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/i3aPd
[21:06] <KGB-2> gnome-applets upstream/latest 1e6f4cb Alberts Muktupāvels gnome-applets/brightness/org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.Power.Screen.xml * brightness: update D-Bus interface * https://deb.li/QP44
[21:06] <KGB-0> gnome-applets tags f55422b Dmitry Shachnev upstream/3.46.0 * Upstream version 3.46.0 * https://deb.li/3qEvE
[21:06] <KGB-2> gnome-applets upstream/latest 5abb961 Alberts Muktupāvels .gitlab-ci.yml * Revert "ci: add crun tag" * https://deb.li/3HazD
[21:06] <KGB-2> gnome-applets upstream/latest fe0e476 Goran Vidović po/hr.po * Update Croatian translation * https://deb.li/VqDj
[21:06] <KGB-2> gnome-applets upstream/latest 91d40be Goran Vidović po/hr.po * Update Croatian translation * https://deb.li/3N6sR
[21:06] <KGB-2> gnome-applets upstream/latest 83f9339 Goran Vidović po/hr.po * Update Croatian translation * https://deb.li/Lgjx
[21:25] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest b723688 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 19 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3EjFs
[21:25] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest 44271fb Christian Hergert meson.build * Post-release version bump * https://deb.li/5gUv
[21:25] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest 0424ee2 Baurzhan Muftakhidinov po/kk.po * Update Kazakh translation * https://deb.li/3XE1n
[21:25] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest 221f98b Sabri Ünal po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://deb.li/JEne
[21:25] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest ef8d72c Jeremy Bicha src/main.c * app: Use stdout not stderr for --version * https://deb.li/3mad0
[21:25] <KGB-2> gnome-text-editor upstream/latest ba396d9 Christian Hergert src/main.c * Merge branch 'stdout' into 'main' * https://deb.li/3Uq7A


[00:43] <Guest36299> Hello!
[00:47] <penguin42> greetings
[02:11] <kopias> is this the right place to ask for a update of software in official ppa?
[02:11] <kopias> should be fairly easy: milkytracker has some crucial bugs fixed the latest version is from 2013 http://milkytracker.org/
[02:11] <teward> kopias: there is no 'official ppa' from the Ubuntu side of things
[02:11] <teward> kopias: which PPA are you referring to?
[02:11] <kopias> sorry for not beeing specific
[02:12] <kopias> i meant in software center or synaptic -default  settings
[02:13] <teward> kopias: doubt there'll be an update to old releases without very very good reasons, version bumps (with some very rare exceptions) are almost never done to update software.  which version of ubuntu are you looking at in this case
[02:14] <kopias> 14.04
[02:14] <teward> kopias: better thing to do is poke Debian about it - the package in Ubuntu is autosynced from Debian, if it's truly out of date, Debian needs to update first (easiest way to get into the latest dev release)
[02:14] <teward> as for stable Ubuntu releases, i doubt you'll find version bumps happening any time soon, but I"m not on the SRU team to make that determination
[02:14] <kopias> ye good tip i will do that
[09:34] <sfp> hggdh:  thanks!
[21:54] <mattaezell> Good afternoon! Is anyone from the bug control team available to nominate a new bug for the appropriate release? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/1419503 needs to be targeted for Trusty.
[21:57] <teward> mattaezell: nominated, and master bug set "Fix Released".  but Trusty still needs approved.
[21:58] <mattaezell> teward: Thanks. Who handles approvals for Trusty?
[21:59] <teward> mattaezell: people far up the food chain from me, just leave it, eventually it'll probably get approved, since you asked here
[21:59] <teward> i think hggdh could do it, and maybe others, but I don't know all who.
[22:01] <mattaezell> teward: Ok, thanks for the help and information.  I'm brand new to this process


 Tol they say .. who knows .. lemme check what the status of google server is .
[00:21] <nicomachus> if someone has the ability to take down a google server via DDOS or whatever... then they're truly good at their craft.
[00:22] <daftykins> that reminds me, i need to disable pingbacks on wordpress
[00:23] <Bashing-om> Well .. I am being lied to " It's just you. http://dl.google.com is up. " .
[00:28] <nicomachus> daftykins: wordpress? whyyyy
[00:29] <daftykins> nothing wrong with wordpress, just often people don't keep it or plugins up to date
[00:29] <nicomachus> well that's true.
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/new-doom-game-runs-great-in-linux-with-wine-users-report-501252.shtml
[05:15] <Ben64> are they not making linux port?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: not sure, batman is also canceled for linux
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> game devs need to realize linux gonna grow bigger following years
[05:27] <Ben64> i stopped buying non linux games
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: those steam machines are pretty interesting, but rather expensive
[05:33] <Ben64> the good thing is you don't need them
[05:33] <Ben64> you can just use a computer
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> true
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: might be a good idea actually, try to imitate the steam boxes with cheaper ubuntu gaming barebones or so
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> put the steam controller on it, done
[05:36] <Ben64> yeah
[05:36] <Ben64> i'm hoping it takes off
[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks


[18:53] <Adapter> how can i install skype 2.0
[18:53] <flaccid_> thats where the error will be
[18:53] <Adapter> in hardz
[18:53] <Adapter> in hardy
[18:53] <flaccid_> !skype
[18:53] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[18:53] <Adapter> thx
[18:53] <flaccid_> !info skype
[18:53] <ubotu> Package skype does not exist in gutsy
[18:54] <flaccid_> hmmm
[18:54] <Pici> !skype
[18:54] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[18:54] <Erickj92> !msn
[18:54] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Client Kopete (http://kopete.kde.org) is supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC. See also !Pidgin
[18:54] <Erickj92> heh
[18:54] <flaccid_> hopefully that page is up to date Adapter
[18:54] <BluesKaj> skype does if the right repos are enabled
[18:55] <Adapter> >(
[18:55] <Adapter> must fix keyboard
[18:56] <teo--> how can i install .key file?
[18:56] <flaccid_> teo--: where is it from and what is it?
[18:56] <Adapter> :)
[18:57] <Adapter> now its good
[18:57] <flaccid_> cool
[18:57] <teo--> its a repository key.. for acer laptop for the wifi..
[18:57] <Adapter> hardy looks good
[18:58] <flaccid_> teo--: a repos key for what exactly
[18:58] <flaccid_> maybe ask acer?
[18:58] <teo--> ok
[18:58] <flaccid_> if its plain text, maybe its your wpa or wep key
[19:05] <Tetracomm> Hi.
[19:07] <giorgio> hi
[19:07] <flaccid_> Hi
[19:08] <Tetracomm> I want to upgrade to KDE 4 from 3.5 but it says I have the latest version, help?
[19:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> there is no upgrading from 3.5 to 4
[19:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> they're completely separate releases
[19:09] <Tetracomm> :(
[19:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> you will have to install kde4 alongside 3
[19:09] <Tetracomm> How can I switch?
[19:09] <Tetracomm> Ok.
[19:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> so you will actually have *both* if you decide (as many have) that you don't like 4
[19:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> i'll qualify that with a "for now" because 4.1 should be improving things greatly when it's released
[19:11] <noaXess> !java
[19:11] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[19:12] <Tetracomm> sudo apt-get install kde4?
[19:12] <frank_> !kde4
[19:12] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:13] <frank_> Tetracomm: actually kde 4.0.2 came out   http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php
[19:15] <frank_> ubotu, kde4 is KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:26] <user5> hi peoples
[19:27] <Zombocom> hello
[19:27] <user5> cciao
[19:28] <user5> hardy somebody?
[19:28] <user5> using hardy?
[19:28] <stdin> user5: you were told already, hardy help only in #ubuntu+1
[19:29] <sammy> why would ubuntu clobber my xorg.conf? I didn't update or re-install the xorg-xserver package. I specifically removed modelines above 1200x1024, and rebooted, and now they're back! but, somehow, it didn't reconfigure the file from scratch, because it didn't put back the 'virtual'line I removed
[19:29] <sammy> does kdm fool around with xorg.conf if something is screwy?
[19:30] <adz21c> sammy: not to my knowledge
[19:32] <sammy> adz21c: I didn't think so either. it made this huge 1600x1200 virtual screen, so I removed the did dpkg-reconfigure, to start from scratch, then removed the 'virtual'line, then removed all the mode lines above 1200x1024. I reboot, and voila, they're back! but the virtual line isn't there. I end up with an automatic 1600x1200 virtual desktop on top of the 1200x1024 mode I put first in my screen section
[19:32] <Vermux> sammy and susu
[19:32] <sammy> I know this sounds like an X problem, but X doesn't screw around with my xorg.conf by myself
[19:32] <sammy> erm s/myself/itself
[19:40] <marek_> siema
[19:43] <marek_> kebab?
[19:44] <sam_> yes?
[19:49] <Tetracomm> Why can't I just download and install one package?
[19:49] <Tetracomm> I'm having difficulty, could someone help me?
[19:50] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, what problem are you having?
[19:50] <leandogo> alguien que hable en español?
[19:50] <NickPresta> !es | leandogo
[19:50] <Tetracomm> I don't know how to install it from all those packages, they're confusing me, and the install FAQ on KDE's website doesn't wor.
[19:50] <Tetracomm> Help?
[19:50] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, what are you trying to install?
[19:51] <Tetracomm> KDE 4.
[19:52] <NickPresta> Are you using Gutsy (7.10) or Hardy (8.04)?
[19:54] <Erickj92> Tetracomm
[19:55] <Tetracomm> Yes, Erickj92?
[19:55] <Erickj92> gusty or hardy
[19:55] <Tetracomm> I'm using 7.10.
[19:55] <Tetracomm> Sorry.
[19:55] <Tetracomm> Gutsy.
[19:55] <Erickj92> ok
[19:56] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, do you know how to edit your sources.list?
[19:56] <Tetracomm> Yes.
[19:56] <Tetracomm> I haven't in a while, though.
[19:56] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, okay. You need to add, 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main' to your sources.list. You can do it easily via: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:57] <sui> hi
[19:57] <stdin> you can do it via adept too
[19:57] <Tetracomm> Thank you.
[19:57] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, once you have done that, run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kde4-core
[19:57] <Tetracomm> Adept? How?
[19:57] <Erickj92> Adept package manager
[19:57] <stdin> in adept: Adept > Manage Repositories
[19:57] <Erickj92> Kmenu--System--Adept Manager
[19:58] <Erickj92> then you need to go to the 3rd party tab
[19:58] <stdin> then click 'Add'
[19:58] <andy_> hi guys i have installed samba and it can see and send files to my laptop and mylaptop can see my linux box but when i try to open the file i shared it asks for a username and password can any one help
[19:58] <Erickj92> andy_, your username and pass you use for kubuntu?
[19:59] <andy_> tried that didn't work
[19:59] <Erickj92> does samba allow you to disable password protect?
[19:59] <stdin> andy_: put 'security = SHARE' under '[global]'
[19:59] <andy_> stdin: how?
[20:00] <stdin> edit the config file /etc/samba/smb.conf
[20:00] <andy_> cheers
[20:01] <andy_> stdin: where do i put in in there?
[20:01] <stdin> andy_: search for the word "security", it should be in there somewhere already
[20:03] <Tetracomm> Thank you, NickPresta. :)
[20:03] <jhutchins_wk> Use swat.
[20:03] <Tetracomm> It is working now.
[20:03] <noaXess> does anybody use kubuntu on a tabletpc?
[20:03] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, enjoy KDE 4.0.2
[20:03] <Tetracomm> Thank you to those who assisted me.
[20:03] <stdin> swat is a bit broken (and not well supported), but it can help
[20:03] <Tetracomm> I will.
[20:03] <rjune_> wouldn't smbpasswd -a work too?
[20:03] <Erickj92> NickPresta, is it possible to use KDE 4 and KDE 3.5 at the same time?
[20:04] <lextul> http://www.process-one.net/en/blogs/article/openaim_aol_is_opening_its_instant_messaging_protocol/
[20:04] <stdin> Erickj92: if you see the announcement page on kubuntu.org it shows you how to do that with Xephyr
[20:04] <NickPresta> Erickj92, you can use the 'xserver-xephyr' package and run 'Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm' and then run 'startkde' inside that Xerphy xterm.
[20:05] <Erickj92> ehh, then nvm
[20:05] <noaXess> Erickj92: yes it is :)
[20:05] <Erickj92> heh
[20:05] <Erickj92> is the new KDE 4 more stable?
[20:05] <noaXess> just select kde4 before login in
[20:05] <NickPresta> I would imagine so. It isn't any less stable at least :)
[20:05] <noaXess> Erickj92: it should
[20:07] <noaXess> somebody know anything about a handwriting recognition software for linux?
[20:07] <martijn81> are there any konqueror mouse gestures?
[20:07] <blaze_> anywone how can i fix the kopete msn error?
[20:08] <andy_> stdin: do i need to restart or anything?
[20:08] <stdin> andy_: yep, you need to restart or reload samba (try reloading it first): sudo /etc/init.d/samba reload
[20:09] <Ax-Ax> Is Kopete's MSN-code newer than Pidgin's?
[20:09] <andy_> stdin: brb
[20:09] <Erickj92> well im installing KDE4 now. i hope to be part of the bug reporting and such
[20:09] <LjL> !kde4 > Erickj92    (Erickj92, see the private message from Ubotu)
[20:10] <blaze_> anywone now a solution for kopete in kubuntu 7.10? i'm getting the same error when i try lounching msn
[20:10] <Erickj92> LjL, what was that for?
[20:10] <martijn81> msn works here with kopete-kde4 package
[20:10] <andy_> stdin: didn't work
[20:11] <stdin> andy_: still asking for a username/password?
[20:11] <blaze_> well mine isnt working
[20:11] <NickPresta> martijn81, Sort of. In System Settings > Accessibility > Input Actions > Gesture Settings, uncheck 'disable mouse gestures globally'. Then expand the Konqueror Gestures tree and see what the mouse gestures are.
[20:11] <LjL> Erickj92: well, to point you to the right channel for KDE4 discussion for starters. and also because in that channel's topic there is a pointer to another place where you can help being part of the bug reporting and such.
[20:11] <andy_> stdin: yes
[20:11] <blaze_> it gives an error
[20:11] <Erickj92> i se
[20:11] <Erickj92> see*
[20:11] <jhutchins_wk> LjL: KDE team is now rejecting bugs filed against 3.x.x as obsolete/eol.
[20:11] <stdin> andy_: can you post your /etc/samba/smb.conf to pastebin? (you can remove any bits you don't want me to see)
[20:12] <LjL> jhutchins_wk: thanks, you ruined my day
[20:12] <martijn81> NickPresta:  and in kde4?
[20:12] <LjL> !kde4
[20:12] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:13] <jhutchins_wk> LjL: Didn't make me reall happy either.
[20:13] <NickPresta> martijn81, I don't know. #kubuntu-kde4 should be able to help you.
[20:16] <Limbeaux> i am not so sure about this kde4   -->  right click on desktop has no option to create a new folder
[20:17] <LjL> that's because the desktop is not a folder in KDE4. anyway, #kubuntu-kde4
[20:17] <Limbeaux> oh ok.  hmm i typed mkdir /home/me/Desktop/foldername and it showed up
[20:18] <LjL> backwards compatibility
[20:18] <Limbeaux> hmmm ok
[20:18] <Limbeaux> I do have installed along side kde3
[20:19] <Tetracomm> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:19] <Tetracomm> Help?
[20:19] <Limbeaux> how do you select multiple files on the desktop?
[20:19] <Tetracomm> When installing kde4-core
[20:19] <LjL> !kde4 | Tetracomm
[20:19] <ubotu> Tetracomm: KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:20] <Tetracomm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58520/plain/
[20:25] <Tetracomm> Hi.
[20:26] <Tetracomm> Synaptic now says that I have 8 broken packages on my system since I installed KDE 4.
[20:26] <Tetracomm> Help?
[20:26] <Erickj92> Teracomm, there is a special channel for KDE4 support
[20:26] <stdin> kde4 help in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:26] <Tetracomm> I tried to install KDE 4 with synaptic first and it didn't work properly, then I used aptitude to install it fully afterwards and now it just logs itself back out.
[20:28] <zimon> Tetracomm: aptitude install -f
[20:28] <NickPresta> zimon, the packages are currently broken
[20:29] <stdin> should be fixed soon though
[20:29] <zimon> oh .. sorry then
[20:30] <Tetracomm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58521/plain/
[20:30] <Tetracomm> zimon
[20:31] <Tetracomm> It didn't work, help?
[20:32] <heath> i have an app stuck in limbo and can't get it out of apt-get... can anyone help
[20:34] <andy_> is there an issue copying files bigger than 4GB? to a external fat32 hard disk?
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> andy_: FAT does not support file that large
[20:35] <Erickj92> huh, i thought fat32 did
[20:35] <Erickj92> im out of date
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> don't think so
[20:36] <andy_> i thought fat 32 did as well
[20:36] <andy_> ok so what is best bet?
[20:37] <andy_> need a file system that windows can read and linux ntfs is a ball ache
[20:37] <stdin> use ext3, there's a windows driver for it
[20:37] <stdin> !ext3
[20:37] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[20:39] <andy_> that only says ext2
[20:39] <Erickj92> why dont my screenlets open back up after a restart?
[20:40] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[20:40] <m_tadeu> apport is not working here....what can I do?
[20:41] <stdin> andy_: ext3 is ext2 with a journal, it's backwards compatible with 2
[20:42] <andy_> ok i formated it as ext3 using gparted as root now the hard disk has root only acsess how do i change it?
[20:43] <stdin> sudo chown <username>: /path/to/mountpoint
[20:47] <andy__> how long should it take to format a 40GB usb2 drive as ext3?
[20:48] <Thecks> andy__ you got a USB 2 port on your PC?
[20:48] <andy__> yes
[20:48] <phoenixz> With what application can I open microsoft project files?
[20:49] <Thecks> Depends the state of the HDD, speed of HDD
[20:49] <Thecks> Don't really see it taking longer than 10 minutes though
[20:49] <Thecks> Probably like 5
[20:49] <andy__> how do i change the write permissions on thedrive?
[20:49] <windvogel> quickformat it's about 20 sec
[20:50] <noaXess> !touchscreen
[20:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchscreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:50] <stdin> phoenixz: try OpenOffice Presentation (ooimpress)
[20:50] <noaXess> !tabletpc
[20:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tabletpc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:51] <revgreendave> !gtk>=2
[20:51] <noaXess> no idea about linux and handwriting recognitio??
[20:51] <noaXess> i'm searching no one day about it.. but found nothing that fits what i need..
[20:52] <SpamInaCan> is there a macro program?
; Handwriting recognition comes to Linux | Geek.com:
[20:52] <noaXess> revgreendave: penreader is java based right?
[20:52] <revgreendave> http://www.claudio.ch/Linux/handwriting.html
[20:53] <revgreendave> probably
[20:53] <revgreendave> PenReader kernel is written in C++
[20:53] <noaXess> revgreendave: where is the download for linux?
[20:54] <revgreendave> i do not know that
[20:54] <revgreendave> !google penreader
[20:55] <SpamInaCan> !google Linux Macro Text
[20:55] <SpamInaCan> can someone help me find one (a working one.....)
[20:55] <stdin> there is no !google function of ubotu, go google yourself
[20:55] <revgreendave> [15:55] <goldeybot> revgreendave: Search took 0.19 seconds: Download PenReader – handwriting recognition for Tablet PC: <http://www.penreader.com/tablet-pc-software/PenReader/articles/Download_area_for_PenReader.html>; Download PenReader – handwriting recognition for Tablet PC: <http://www.penreader.com/tablet-pc-software/it/28-lingual/articles/Download_area_for_28-lingual.html>; PenReader 2005 Professional / free dow
[20:56] <tekteen> !google
[20:56] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[20:56] <stdin> please stop spamming the channel with that
[20:56] <SpamInaCan> i have been looking...
[20:56] <revgreendave> sorry... i took a chance to see,
[20:57] <revgreendave> i have it in two other networks
[20:57]  * revgreendave is spoiled and appologises
[20:57] <revgreendave> ;)
[20:58] <noaXess> revgreendave: sorry.. but this penreader is only a online demo..
[20:59] <heath> is there a way to remove an app from being install if it is failing?
[21:00] <revgreendave> using a terminal there should be.
[21:00] <revgreendave> i got to quit adept and start safe mode to install java
[21:01] <revgreendave> but i suck
[21:01] <revgreendave> actually
[21:01] <heath> I have a kernel upgrade that won't finish because grub is messed up and I just need to get it out of there
[21:01] <heath> atleast your honest
[21:02] <revgreendave> use your terminal
[21:02] <revgreendave> and try apt-get help
[21:02] <revgreendave> crap sudo apt-get help
[21:02] <revgreendave> -h
[21:02] <heath> I need to know the commands.. dpkg --configure -???
[21:02] <revgreendave> it will tell you
[21:02] <tekteen> -a
[21:03] <heath> the -a tries to repair the install and finish, but I need it to abort and forget it
[21:03] <tekteen> I do not think there is a way
[21:03] <tekteen> sorry, i don't know
[21:04] <heath> well that sucks...
[21:04] <heath> thanks for the help though
[21:05] <zimon> heath: what's the problem? you've interrupted the installation and now there's a half-installed package?
[21:06] <revgreendave> [16:01] <heath> I have a kernel upgrade that won't finish because grub is messed up and I just need to get it out of there
[21:09] <heath> zimon: that is correct
[21:09] <zimon> heath: have you tried dpkg --purge <kernel-package> ? only recommended if you have a working kernel installed
[21:09] <heath> I have a custom kernel that is working great I will give it a try
[21:11] <andy__> ok i gave up i formatted the drive as ntfs and used ntfs-3g and mounted it it is now copying fingers crossed
[21:11] <andy__> GB and counting
[21:11] <andy__> 1.9GB
[21:12] <SpeS> anyone with kubuntu gutsy and the KDE4 repo? upgrading has uninstalled mplayer... any solution for that? "mplayer-nogui: Depende: libungif4g (>= 4.1.4) pero no va a instalarse"
[21:12] <stdin> ntfs support (even with -3g) isn't perfect, make sure you have backups of important stuff
[21:12] <heath> zimon: is there a way to resolve depends with a purge?
[21:12] <tekteen> SpeS: kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:12] <andy__> this is only a errr legal movie i downloaded
[21:12] <SpeS> tekteen, ok sorry :)
[21:12] <tekteen> np
[21:13] <stdin> SpeS: update you're repositories, that was fixed hours ago
[21:13] <zimon> heath: if you have broken dependencies run aptitude install -f
[21:13] <MurielGodoi> Hi all, anyone got "1164:0601 YUAN High-Tech Development Co., Ltd" HP Analog TV Tuner working under linux?
[21:13] <andy__> mmmm HD movie
[21:13] <revgreendave> i had kde4 installed and the plasma work crashed
[21:13] <coggz> hey all
[21:13] <andy__> i am leaving kde4 for a while it has potential but IT'S A S READY AS VISTA AT THE MOMENT
[21:14] <stdin> !caps | andy__
[21:14] <ubotu> andy__: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[21:14] <andy__> sorry hit Caps by mistake
[21:14] <andy__> !sorry
[21:14] <ubotu> It's ok, I can't stay mad at you.
[21:14] <SpeS> stdin, here the problem persist an update :(
[21:14] <andy__> 4.1 GB woohoo
[21:15] <stdin> SpeS: what does "apt-cache policy kdelibs5" say? (use pastebin)
[21:15] <heath> no matter what I do it tries to run grub which will fail and then get stuck
[21:16] <zimon> heath: you couldn't even remove the package?
[21:16] <SpeS> Instalados: 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1
[21:16] <SpeS>   Candidato: 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2
[21:16] <SpeS> ...
[21:16] <SpeS> oh, pastebin, sorry again :$
[21:16] <heath> no... it just keeps yeeling at me about depends
[21:17] <zimon> could you paste the output?
[21:18] <SpeS> stdin, http://pastebin.com/m43c43ac7
[21:18] <SpeS> BTW it's in spanish :)
[21:19] <heath> zimon: i'm trying but pastebin is acting up
[21:19] <andy__> will ext2 handle 4gb
[21:20] <zimon> heath: try something else, like http://paste2.org/
[21:20] <stdin> andy__: it'll handle that and more
[21:20] <heath> zimon: http://pastebin.org/22534
[21:20] <andrea_> ciao a tutti
[21:20] <ste> ciao
[21:20] <SpeS> should apt-get upgrade the "ppa1"--->"ppa2"??
[21:20] <stdin> SpeS: post what "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to do
[21:20] <ste> non riesco a connettere kopete come faccio?
[21:20] <andrea_> qualcuno e di venezia?
[21:21] <stdin> !it
[21:21] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[21:21] <ste> ok
[21:21] <SpeS> stdin, Los siguientes paquetes se han retenido:
[21:21] <SpeS>   kde4libs-bin kdelibs5 klipper-kde4 kwin-kde4 systemsettings-kde4
[21:21] <SpeS> those packages are "retenidos", don't know the translation, "kept"?
[21:22] <zimon> heath: it's not removed because dkms depends on it. do you need dkms? i don't know what's that for, i don't have it
[21:22] <SpeS> stdin, shouldn't dist-upgrade force all the packages to upgrade?
[21:22] <ScorpKing> heath: i usually do sudo aptitude safe-upgrade.
[21:23] <andy__> thanks again for your help all
[21:23] <heath> zimon: Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS)
[21:23] <zimon> heath: yeah, i found that. but i still don't know what it's for :-)
[21:23] <Tetracomm> stdin?
[21:24] <heath> zimon: http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml#dkms
[21:24] <SpeS> stdin, http://pastebin.com/m7a3d2a42
[21:25] <stdin> SpeS: post to pastebin what "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" does
[21:25] <stdin> Tetracomm: ?
[21:25] <heath> zimon: I'm just going to remove it and then put it back
[21:25] <Tetracomm> I no longer see any broken packages, but kde4 still logs out right after logging in, help?
[21:25] <heath> .... hopefully
[21:26] <zimon> heath: right .. maybe you should use aptitude purge linux-image-... instead, this way the dependencies are removed automatically
[21:26] <stdin> Tetracomm: try with Xephyr, see if any errors show
[21:27] <heath> zimon: that did it.... now lets see if I can put dkms back??
[21:27] <zimon> heath: maybe you don't need it at all
[21:27] <Tetracomm> I don't think xephyr is installed.
[21:27] <heath> zimon: I don't think I do... Everything is based around that kernel
[21:28] <SpeS> stdin, yes, it seems to do an autoclean too, and reinstall those packages! :D I thought aptitude was only the same than apt-get! :D
[21:28] <heath> zimon: thanks abunch for your help. I was pulling my hair out
[21:28] <SpeS> stdin, http://pastebin.com/d5f4809f7
[21:28] <SpeS> stdin, thanks! :)
[21:28] <stond> does anybody know how to use ciso
[21:28] <zimon> heath: the working kernel you have ... that's a custom built?
[21:28] <heath> <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:29] <zimon> heath: did you use the ubuntu config?
[21:29] <stdin> SpeS: just do I understand ;) that says it's going to install libungif4g too yes?
[21:29] <SpeS> stdin, yes, it reinstall that package, so I could install again mplayer... and also removes unneeded packages (auto-clean)
[21:29] <heath> zimon: I used http://www.linuxforums.org/desktop/the_newbies_guide_to_compiling_your_first_kernel.html
[21:30] <stdin> SpeS: ok, all good then :)
[21:30] <heath> zimon: with some mods
[21:30] <SpeS> I'll read about aptitude...
[21:30] <stdin> !aptitude | SpeS
[21:30] <ubotu> SpeS: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[21:30] <Tetracomm> stdin: How do I get xephyr?
[21:31] <stdin> Tetracomm: sudo apt-get install xserver-xephyr
[21:31] <heath> zimon if you are interested check this out....
[21:31] <zimon> heath: alright .. maybe you should reinstall dkms then, although i don't think it's required
[21:31] <stond> does anybody know how to use ciso
[21:31] <Tetracomm> stdin: It said package not found.
[21:31] <heath> zimon: i'm not going to
[21:32] <heath> zimon: if I have problems I know where it came from....
[21:32] <heath> zimon: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623874&highlight=compile+gutsy+kernel
[21:32] <stdin> Tetracomm: you sure?
[21:32] <stdin> !info xserver-xephyr
[21:32] <ubotu> xserver-xephyr (source: xorg-server): Next Generation Nested X Server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-12ubuntu8.3 (gutsy), package size 1550 kB, installed size 3884 kB
[21:32] <stond> does anybody know how to use ciso
[21:33] <zimon> heath: i'm already running a custom <IP_ADDRESS> .. but i didn't take the ubuntu-config, cause that will create a generic kernel that's way too large
[21:34] <stond> does anybody know how to use ciso
[21:36] <ScorpKing> !repeat | stond
[21:36] <ubotu> stond: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[21:39] <Tetracomm> stdin: Yes.
[21:39] <Tetracomm> Stdin: Sorry, I mistyped it.
[21:39] <revgreendave> i am running dapper.. i upgraded to kde4 but that was bad,, so question is gutsy stable?
[21:40] <stdin> revgreendave: gutsy is the latest stable, yes
[21:40] <revgreendave> no other way to upgrade but with a cd is there?
[21:41] <Tetracomm> stdin: The xephyr command still doesn't work, how do I open it?
[21:41] <stdin> !upgrade | revgreendave
[21:41] <ubotu> revgreendave: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:41] <revgreendave> danks
[21:42] <heath> zimon: what do you think about that zen kernel?
[21:42] <stdin> Tetracomm: case sensitive, "Xephyr :1" then do "DISPLAY=:1 xterm" then you can start kde with "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde" inside the X window
[21:42] <deflex> hi everyone
[21:42] <Daisuke_Ido> currently updating to kde 4.0.2...  we'll see what it's like
[21:42] <Daisuke_Ido> i really dislike not being able to do anything with the panel
[21:43] <zimon> heath: i don't know it
[21:43] <Tetracomm> stdin: It won't let me type anything after Xephyr :1
[21:44] <Tetracomm> A window is up now.
[21:44] <stdin> Tetracomm: then just start a new terminal or close the window and use "Xephyr :1 &"
[21:44] <heath> zimon: do you think u could help me get sound?
[21:45] <zimon> heath: lspci |grep -i audio and cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep -i codec will tell you which driver you have to configure
[21:46] <deflex> hi everyone, i have a question about kubuntu, i have an inspiron 1420 and i was wondering how kubuntu manages the multimedia keys of this laptop. It's a daemon? anyone?
[21:47] <Tetracomm> stdin: I don't understand.
[21:47] <heath> zimon: I do not have a /proc/asound
[21:48] <stdin> Tetracomm: just start another terminal and put other command in that one
[21:48] <zimon> deflex: there's the kmilo daemon that should detect most of the multimedia keys
[21:48] <Tetracomm> stdin: That doesn't work either.
[21:48] <Tetracomm> Ok.
[21:48] <deflex> zimon, bingo, thanks
[21:48] <Tetracomm> I did that now. stdin.
[21:49] <Tetracomm> stdin: What now?
[21:49] <stdin> then you can start kde with "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde" inside the X window, and see if any errors show up
[21:49] <zimon> heath: hm .. so there's no soundcard detected at all during boot .. that's weird
[21:49] <Tetracomm> I can only move the mouse in the X window...
[21:50] <Tetracomm> stdin: I can't do anything in that grey window.
[21:50] <zimon> heath: does lspci show an audio device?
[21:50] <stdin> Tetracomm: you put "DISPLAY=:1 xterm" in the 2nd terminal to open a shell in it
[21:51] <heath> zimon: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
[21:51] <heath> zimon: and Audio device: Creative Labs SB X-Fi
[21:51] <zimon> heath: that's quite new .. what kernel are you running right now?
[21:51] <Tetracomm> Xlib: Connection to ":1.0" refused by server. stdin.
[21:51] <heath> <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:52] <Tetracomm> No protocol specified
[21:52] <stdin> I don't know then, that same thing works here
[21:52] <Tetracomm> I'm using Konsole, btw.
[21:52] <zimon> heath: check your options in device drivers -> audio
[21:53] <heath> zimon: device drivers--?
[21:53] <zimon> heath: in the kernel config
[21:53] <heath> oh...
[21:54] <zimon> heath: it's device drivers -> sound .. not audio
[21:54] <deflex_> zimon, where can i configure kmilo? I have it installed but i can't find anything to configure
[21:54] <Tetracomm> Step by step.
[21:54] <Tetracomm> I typed Xephyr :1 in the first window.
[21:55] <Tetracomm> It opened the X window.
[21:55] <Tetracomm> Then I opened another terminal and typed DISPLAY=:1 xterm
[21:55] <Tetracomm> Is that right?
[21:55] <zimon> deflex_: i don't know how to configure it ... but it should work out of the box .. at least for the most common keys like volume, play, mute, pause etc
[21:56] <heath> zimon: there was an intel hd audio, but it was not checked when I configure this kernel... is there a way to patch or do I have to make a new
[21:58] <zimon> heath: i think you have to rebuild the whole kernel, as a single ubuntu-package is built during the make-kpkg process .. but i'm not sure
[21:58] <Tetracomm> stdin?
[21:59] <heath> zimon: i think you are right... here goes nothing... good thing the cpu is quad core
[21:59] <zimon> heath: also, you need drivers for your soundblaster, if you want to use it
[22:00] <mikademus_> Hi folks. Be kind to a newbie, please. Are there any upgrade packages (or similar) for Kubuntu to kernel v 2.6.24.x?
[22:00] <stdin> Tetracomm: sorry, I have to go away for a while, family stuff. I'm sure someone else here or in #kde can help
[22:00] <heath> zimon: I'm pretty sure that card will not be supported... it is VERY new and only half way supported in Windows
[22:00] <zimon> heath: ok :-)
[22:01] <zimon> mikademus_: no
[22:03] <mikademus_> zimon, ok, that was a concise answer :p So, is it problematic to upgrade the kernel?
[22:04] <zimon> mikademus_: that depends on how well you know your hardware
[22:04] <Daisuke_Ido> mikademus_: if you want to move to the next stable kernel release (ie. 2.6.24), you'll want to wait for hardy, as that is the default kernel there.
[22:04] <Daisuke_Ido> unless, as zimon says, you *really* know what you're doing
[22:05] <zimon> heath: if you want make to use all of your cores, run "export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=5" before starting the build process
[22:07] <heath> zimon: cool... do you normally have to run make modules_install as a superuser
[22:07] <zimon> heath: with the ubuntu way you create a .deb that's installed with dpkg -i ... that will install the kernel image and the modules
[22:08] <zimon> heath: i.e., you don't run modules_install at all
[22:11] <Tetracomm> Ok.
[22:11] <Tetracomm> :(
[22:11] <Tetracomm> stdin: Do you think that uninstalling both KDEs will help?
[22:12] <mikademus_> SOrry for delay, Sinefelt (sp?) was on. Well, I know my hardware pretty well. I build a kernel (my first ever) a couple of days ago, and it worked. But it wasn`t very stable though and the boot was slow due to issues
[22:13] <zimon> mikademus_: it wasn't stable but it worked? :-)
[22:14] <mikademus_> hehe, yeah, define "working", i know I know... :p But give me a break, it was my second day ever on Linux
[22:14] <mikademus_> and the OS ran
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> mikademus_: thats pretty amazin ;)
[22:15] <ryanakca> mikademus_: most people don't build a kernel... ever
[22:15] <zimon> mikademus_: well, i think no one has ever managed to build a working kernel on the first attempt ..
[22:16] <zimon> mikademus_: do you still have the config that you created?
[22:16] <ryanakca> well, other than those who are kernel developpers, the really geeky ones... and the insane ones :)
[22:16] <mikademus_> You know, I have no idea what so ever if you are ironic right now... I live in this perhaps incredibly naive conception where the Linux kingdom is populated bu Ents with magic in their fingers
[22:17] <mikademus_> Ehrm, well, no, that was about three different distros since. Thank the not Divine Gygax for rewritable DVDs
[22:18] <mikademus_> But basically, I downloaded the 2.6.25-3 source, ran ./configuire I think, make install, answered a boatload of questions about my hardware, spend five hours scuouring the net, then spent five hours learning about mkinitrd or whatever it is called...
[22:18] <mikademus_> but I had great fun!
[22:18] <mikademus_> 2.6.24-3
[22:18] <zimon> mikademus_: ah .. ok. there are several howtos on compiling a kernel for ubuntu using make-kpkg, and the latest 2.6.24 is very stable .. so have fun
[22:19] <zimon> mikademus_: but other than all those howtos i don't recommend using the ubuntu config as a start, cause what's the point in building a custom generic kernel?
[22:20] <mikademus_> zimon, well, for me, the only reason is really because 2.6.24.x is the first that has built-in support for my MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, the best keybaord ever made, even though it is a MS product.
[22:22] <zimon> mikademus_: why does it need a driver?
[22:23] <mikademus_> It has a non-standard (jap) layout, with additional meta keys, and bracket keys in unorthodox places
[22:26] <mikademus_> Hmm, re-reading the comments above, I realise you were serious? That it is uncommon to build your own kernels, and that it is difficult to get them to work at all?
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> mikademus_: yeah :)
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> mikademus_: at least for new users
[22:28] <zimon> mikademus_: it's not difficult. you just have to be patient and eliminate the errors one by one
[22:28] <mikademus_> I feel I have much to learn, this is actually a bit disconcerting, the feeling of not really knowing anything... Well, if so, thanks for the compliments (or congratulations on my good fortune?) you gave!
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> noth i'd say
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> *both
[22:31] <mikademus_> Btw, is chatting ok in this channel, or am I creating noise?
[22:31] <Daisuke_Ido> !offtopic | mikademus_, usually we go here
[22:31] <ubotu> mikademus_, usually we go here: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:36] <mikademus_> zimon, so the general procedure is to save the config script, and toggle suspect parameters, recompile, remake the initrd image, update grub, reboot and pray?
[22:38] <zimon> mikademus_: right .. except that the proper way with ubuntu would be using make-kpkg ... that'll create a debian package which is installed with dpkg -i
[22:39] <mikademus_> Ah, ok. But it is still as time consuming?
[22:39] <zimon> mikademus_: it's a lot more time consuming :-)
[22:39] <mikademus_> lol
[22:39] <heath> zimon: I can't use the ubuntu packaged kernel
[22:40] <heath> zimon: I have a fake raid setup and the grub part fails... that's how I got hung up in the first place
[22:40] <zimon> mikademus_: but it's simple. you just do make-kpkg & dpkg -i ... you don't need to update grub manually, you don't need to make modules_install, you don't need to build the initrd ..
[22:41] <zimon> heath: i don't know anything about raid setups and how grub needs to be configured for that .. sorry
[22:41] <mikademus_> So, beyond perhaps relatively little to gain from it, it there some reason why not to make a custom kernel for Kubuntu; if I make it with make-kpkg it will be fully conforming with (k)ubuntu?
[22:42] <heath> I got the config... but can I use an ubuntu style kernel without it running grub at the end??
[22:42] <zimon> mikademus_: yes it will. here's a nice howto: http://symbolik.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/vanilla-kernel-26231-on-gutsy-gibbon/
[22:42] <mikademus_> Aah, thanks! Great!
[22:44] <zimon> heath: i don't know .. what does dpkg -l | grep your-linux-image say?
[22:50] <mikademus_> But it has been a strange journey.  So I started with Kubuntu, then some ten or fifteen other distors, some great, but all with more or less severe drawbacks, and I find myself back at Kubuntu...
[22:50] <noaXess> is it possible to start a virtual keyboard, eg. kvkbd before any user logs into kde?
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> you mean for the loginmanager?
[22:51] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: jep.. cause its a touchscreen nd users have only a pen
[22:52] <Gutsy_Gibbon> How can i uninstall KDE 4.0.2 from my Kubuntu 7.10?
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: nasty... not sure...
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> Gutsy_Gibbon: uninstall att the packages with -kde4 int he name
[22:53] <santy> hi can anyone tell me what is the spanish channel?
[22:54] <santy> hola?
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> !es
[22:54] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:58] <moope1> how do i make a script so I can double click on it to execute?
[22:58] <zimon> moope1: make it executable
[22:58] <zimon> moope1: chmod +x file
[22:58] <Gimpy_Gnome> or
[22:59] <Gimpy_Gnome> if you happen to like pretty guis
[22:59] <moope1> zimon: it is executable
[22:59] <Gimpy_Gnome> right click on the script
[22:59] <Gimpy_Gnome> check executable
[22:59] <moope1> I use it every day, but when I try to double click it itopens it in kate
[22:59] <zimon> moope1: the first line must say #! /bin/bash (if it's a bash script)
[23:00] <twosouls82> why is kwriteconfig missing from 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1 ?
[23:00] <twosouls82> kdebase-bin
[23:01] <moope1> zimon: it does
[23:01] <moope1> :)
[23:02] <moope1> zimon: I mean, it does have the #! /bin/bash
[23:04] <zimon> moope1: that's weird ...
[23:08] <twosouls82> hmmzz, bot kreadconfig and kwriteconfig are missing in the 3.kdebase-bin 5.9 ppa package, their manpages are in the package though
[23:09] <twosouls82> s/bot/both/
[23:11] <root______> hola
[23:11] <root______> a todos
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> !es
[23:11] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:11] <root______> q es esto como descargo msn
[23:11] <root______> no se puede instalar
[23:12] <zimon> moope1: i have no idea ... it should be working. and i don't find an option in the konqueror config that says "open with editor instead of execute" or something ..
[23:12] <root______> ummmmmmmmmmmmm aqui no  hay nadie?????????????????????''
[23:13] <BluesKaj> !es | root___
[23:13] <zimon> moope1: maybe you didn't give yourself execute right? what does ll <script> say?
[23:13] <ubotu> root___: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:13] <root______> o dios alguien contesteeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[23:13] <root______> como intalo msn o ares
[23:14] <BluesKaj> idiot is both languages :)
[23:14] <BluesKaj> in
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> how true :)
[23:21] <santy> hi all
[23:22] <santy> i need some help installing kubuntu
[23:22] <santy> this is my first time on linux
[23:22] <jussi01> santy: ask :)
[23:24] <santy> anthanx jussie
[23:25] <santy> i'm trying to install kubuntu 7.10
[23:25] <santy> but i got a problem with the partition of the disk
[23:25] <santy> it's now crashed
[23:27] <karthikp> Like hard disk failure?
[23:29] <santy> no. it just stopped running. and which is worst i can't shut it off
[23:29] <Sakkath> i have a microsoft usb wireless mouse taht has worked on every distro of linux i've tried so far.... but it doesn't work on kubuntu! lsusb shows it, and it's def not the port since it lights up (the receiver). also i can't find gpm? it says something refers to it but it has no candidates (apt-get install gpm)
[23:33] <Sakkath> i have a microsoft usb wireless mouse taht has worked on every distro of linux i've tried so far.... but it doesn't work on kubuntu! lsusb shows it, and it's def not the port since it lights up (the receiver). also i can't find gpm? it says something refers to it but it has no candidates (apt-get install gpm)
[23:37] <arno_eagleeyes> good evening
[23:45] <cheeby> hi.  running hardy.  where is mysql-server?
[23:47] <kilrae_> kubuntu.org says 4.0.2 is available, but i still only see 4.0.1
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> cheeby- I would assume it's still mysql-server and/or mysql-server-5.0
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> cheeby- #ubuntu+1 would be more helpful
[23:48] <tlayton> cheeby: i have 5.0.51a installed from hardy
[23:51] <kilrae_> ah, the other packages are upgraded, but they didn't change the version of kde4-core
[23:55] <Tann> Where are the configuration files for alsa-base?
[23:59]  * genii sips some coffee


[02:12] <rick_h_> evening
[14:58] <cmaloney> morning
[15:21] <rick_h_> morn
[17:44] <cmaloney> Today is a big day
[17:44] <cmaloney> we found out that Pixel is crapping in her litter box downstairs
[17:44] <cmaloney> huzzah.
[19:16] <rick_h_> woot
[20:03] <gamerchick02> howdy everyone. happy new year's eve.


[14:21] <qwebirc29118> I forgot my schedules direct password. I changed it before I renewed my annual subscription. consequently, I lost my TV program schedule because of the aforementioned. I was told I need to update my app. How do I do that?
[14:29] <qwebirc29118> tlarc


[22:53] <tsimonq2> Hi, I was wondering if I could get a Meetingbot in #ubuntu-us-wi for our LoCo meetings...it would be greatly appreciated
[22:53] <tsimonq2> thanks in advance


[13:33] <loris> The default wallpaper turned into solid black
[13:52] <tomreyn> and they were looking for help with undoing this. if not long enough.


[12:10] <WilsonBradley> Heres a baffling question.. Does Ubuntu 12.04 support Multi-plexing two wifi INTERNET connections or load balance?
[12:29] <duanedesign> WilsonBradley: did you find an answer to your question?
[12:31] <WilsonBradley> nope..
[12:38] <duanedesign> WilsonBradley: i had this link in my bookmarks. http://lartc.org/howto/
[12:40] <duanedesign> WilsonBradley: some of the LDP docs can be a few years old. Which is forever in Linux time :)
[12:40] <WilsonBradley> :-) thanks..
[12:42] <duanedesign> WilsonBradley: iproute2 is not in the repos. iproute is installed by default. I ran a few of the commands in the how to and they all ran on iproute
[12:44] <WilsonBradley> humm
[12:44] <WilsonBradley> I tried this and it was expecting an ip; nexthop via $P2 dev $IF2 weight 1
[12:44] <WilsonBradley> ip route add default scope global nexthop via $P1 dev $IF1 weight 1 \ 	    nexthop via $P2 dev $IF2 weight 1
[12:56] <duanedesign> you can get your gateway ip with -  route -n
[15:00] <n00b_> hello from colombia
[15:02] <n00b_> ..........................
[15:04] <bodhizazen> l'o n00b_
[15:05] <n00b_> bodhizazen hello man
[22:59] <haqking> JonEdney, hi, so what have you done so far and whats the isue
[22:59] <JonEdney> I have a VPS with root access, and was in the process of following a walkthrough for installing ISPConfig 3 on 10.04 LTS.
[22:59] <haqking> ok
[23:00] <JonEdney> When I got to the point where it calls to ask for installing Apache, I get a weird message
[23:00] <JonEdney> I have this open as well - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958424
[23:00] <haqking> ok wel first of all did you set your hostname first ? and then apt-get install apache2 apache2-doc apache2-utils
[23:01] <JonEdney> Yes, the hostname was set.
[23:01] <haqking> ok did you apt-get update first
[23:02] <haqking> oh i see thats in the thread sorry
[23:02] <haqking> hang on just reading it
[23:03] <JonEdney> NO problem.  I'm in no rush with this, using it as a learning experience, but I am just stuck on this Apache issue.
[23:04] <bobweaver> what is issue with apache2 ?
[23:05] <JonEdney> I try installing it, and I get a weird message from the server , and then it just hangs.   I have all the details on my Ubuntu forum post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958424
[23:05] <haqking> wel not the issue but you shouldnt be logged on as root ;-) sudo is preferable in Ubuntu but no biggie
[23:05] <bobweaver> have tou restarted apache
[23:06] <bobweaver> or are you tring to do full lamp ?
[23:06] <haqking> sudo apt-get install apache2 apache2-utils should just work never seen that error before
[23:07] <bobweaver> disabled with "a2dismod reqtimeout
[23:07] <JonEdney> Forgive me for my lack of knowledge here folks, I'm 2 months into seeing what Ubuntu looks like, and a week or so into actually getting into shll commands.
[23:07] <bobweaver> can be disabld
[23:07] <bobweaver> JonEdney,  do what haqking  said 1st
[23:08] <haqking> well you can check to see if its installed with heading to localhost in your browser
[23:08] <haqking> and try restarting it with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[23:08] <bobweaver> it is the mod looks like it alters apacheconf
[23:09] <haqking> it may have insatalled and the message may have been rogue ;)
[23:09] <bobweaver> good point time to look at log
[23:09] <JonEdney> Alright, let me take a look at a few things here.
[23:10] <haqking> no worires take your time, check localhost in browser first
[23:10] <haqking> then restart and then logs
[23:10] <haqking> or wateva order you like
[23:10] <JonEdney> Well I ran apt-get install apache2 apache2-utils and it seems to have went through..
[23:11] <haqking> ;) thats cos im amazing....LOL
[23:11] <JonEdney> lol
[23:11] <haqking> check localhost i browser
[23:11] <haqking> should say "it works"
[23:11] <haqking> if its working
[23:11] <JonEdney> Hot dog!
[23:12] <haqking> your welcome, go back and mark your thread as solved with solution. peace
[23:12] <JonEdney> For sure, was just a lack of my own knowledge, which is the reason for putting myself through this
[23:13] <haqking> no worries every long journey starts with a single step ;)
[23:13] <haqking> no stupid questions, only stupid from not asking questions
[23:13]  * bobweaver high-five haqking
[23:14]  * haqking low 5 bobweaver and a clubdance jig
[23:53] <duanedesign> o/