[01:01] <Majora> good morning
[01:03] <Nemo9> hii
[01:04] <Nemo9> anyone know of an FZF IRC channel?
[01:12] <guiverc> Nemo9, why ask here, this is Ubuntu Support?  Look in the available channels yourself maybe
[01:13] <Bashing-om> !alis | Nemo9
[01:13] <sorcerer> Nemo9: /msg alis help list
[01:17] <derek0883> I got "The following packages cannot be authenticated!"
[01:17] <derek0883> anyone know how to fix this/
[01:17] <Nemo9> guiverc: okay just thought someone would know coz ot of people here
[01:18] <Nemo9> thnx alot ill check that command
[01:19] <Bashing-om> derek0883: What is the exact error ? "cannot be authenticated!" is this the Boothole vulnerability ? : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/GRUB2SecureBootBypass
[01:20] <MadmaninTrain> Hello
[01:21] <derek0883> @Bashing-om, No I'm trying to customize ubuntu iso, I added some extra deb to pool,  after install, I want use apt install xxx, the apt source is cdrom, I got this error
[01:22] <Bashing-om> derek0883: Hokay - then a signing key needs to be availabale ?
[01:23] <derek0883> curl -fsSL https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/gpg | sudo apt-key add -
[01:23] <derek0883> sudo apt-key fingerprint 0EBFCD88
[01:23] <derek0883> yes, during live build, I use this command
[01:24] <derek0883> apk-key list | grep 0EBFCD88, I can see the key is installed
[01:24] <derek0883> after I boot with ubuntu live ISO
[01:27] <neighbourmike> test
[01:55] <oerheks> derek0883, how old is the live iso ? did you run sudo apt update first?
[01:55] <oerheks> oh wait, you are the live builder,
[01:55] <derek0883> It is old ubuntu 16.04, not 16.04.6
[01:56] <derek0883> I using live-build to build the iso, I'm still tring to figure out how to build 16.04.6
[01:56] <oerheks> interesting..
[01:56] <derek0883> is it possible using live-build to build 16.04.06 directly?
[01:57] <oerheks> use cubic or some tool like that?
[01:58] <derek0883> cubic is GUI based, right?
[01:58] <derek0883> I'm looking for a script based
[01:58] <derek0883> I guess ubuntu daily build use live-build, is that right?
[02:16] <derek0883> Anyone know how to get latest ubuntu using live-build, I got ubuntu 16.04, not ubuntu 16.04.6
[02:26] <Bashing-om> derek0883: Does this help: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04.6/release/ ?
[02:28] <derek0883> let me check
[02:28] <derek0883> The source images contain the source code used to build Ubuntu.
[02:28] <derek0883> I guess it is source code of each deb package, let me download source images
[03:23] <NOVPiseth> hello everyone, do you have any issue the same as me
[03:23] <NOVPiseth> when ping from outside to my ubuntu
[03:23] <NOVPiseth> https://prnt.sc/tsblf7
[03:23] <NOVPiseth> it became like this
[03:23] <NOVPiseth> drop some ping
[03:24] <BT40> Hi.
[03:24] <NOVPiseth> I never use firewall
[03:25] <BT40> please help regarding terminal java compatability. I am typing this in terminal>  /home/hextreme/./local/lib/python2/7/site-packages/nosqldb/kvproxy/lib/kvproxy/jar:              And java is replacing slash with dot which throws an error: .home.hextreme..local.lib.python2.7.site-packages.nosqldb.kvproxy.lib.kvproxy.jar:
[03:25] <BT40>
[03:26] <BT40> Problem is .local directory hidden, java is interpreting ./local to ..local
[03:26] <BT40> can I unhide local directory in Home folder?
[03:30] <t-nelson> BT40: ./local in the path should just be .local
[03:30] <BT40> thank you
[03:31] <t-nelson> yw
[03:31] <BT40> t-nelson, what about python2.7>? it is also interpreted as python2/7
[03:31] <BT40> any hack?
[03:31] <BT40> can i safely rename python folder?
[03:32] <t-nelson> Oh, no sorry I missed that, it should be python2.7, not python2/7
[03:35] <BT40> t-nelson, again got error:    Typed this>  /home/hextreme/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/nosqldb/kvproxy/lib/kvproxy.jar
[03:35] <BT40> python2.7 becomes pythobt/7
[03:35] <BT40> python2/7 in java
[03:37] <BT40> .home.hextreme.local.lib.python2.7.site-packages.nosqldb.kvproxy.lib.kvproxy.jar      This is java treating it as
[03:38] <t-nelson> Are you sure you're supposed to be running it like that?  That dir holds user-installed python packages
[03:39] <t-nelson> is there not some "python -m nosqldb.kvproxy" type command you can run?
[03:39] <t-nelson> Or install it properly
[03:39] <BT40> no. Can i rename directory from python2.7 to python2?
[03:41] <t-nelson> That will break python
[03:44] <Nemo9> python2.7 is EOL
[03:45] <t-nelson> Uh huh
[03:45] <t-nelson> $ lsb_release -r
[03:45] <t-nelson> Release:        20.04
[03:45] <t-nelson> $ python --version
[03:45] <t-nelson> Python 2.7.18rc1
[03:46] <BT40> okay
[03:49] <Bashing-om> !info python3 focal
[04:06] <NOVPiseth> warning: stopping systemd-networkd.service, but it can still activated by: systemd-networkd.socket ubuntu 18
[04:06] <NOVPiseth> have anyone ever met this problem?
[04:07] <NOVPiseth> I used netplan try
[04:55] <zmoo> hello ubuntu channel
[05:25] <Majora> greetings
[05:57] <zmoo> hello ubuntu channel
[05:58] <zmoo> anyone know how to disable the default grub root=UUID= part
[05:59] <zmoo> and instead identify by something like /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-3600508e00000000033fc38e46b944504-part3
[06:44] <bolgnese> hi all can i ask about use of built-ins terminal(bsh)here?
[06:44] <bolgnese> find command in conjuntion with cp command
[06:46] <bolgnese> i have used the following and i would like to copy all files found to usb (find . -name  "*.skp")
[06:47] <bolgnese> im in the /run/media/hddx folder and would like to copy to the /run/media/dn/usb please
[06:49] <bolgnese> would this be correct "find . -name ".skp | cp /run/media/dn/usb"    ?
[06:50] <EriC^^> no
[06:50] <bolgnese> assuming im in the folder i want to look recursively for .skp files
[06:50] <EriC^^> what about .SKP ?
[06:51] <bolgnese> EriC^^, how would i go about it (i want to search current dir +sub dirs(recursively) for .skp files then copy any found with grep or find to an external usb drive
[06:52] <EriC^^> find -type f -iname '*.skp' -exec cp {} /run/media/dn/usb \;
[06:52] <bolgnese> i will be starting in the top dir of where all .skp are located and this location is specifically /run/media/dn/usb
[06:52] <EriC^^> beware if it finds 2 .skps with same name it would overwrite them
[06:53] <EriC^^> iname is for case insensitive
[06:54] <bolgnese> thank you and is there a way to avoid that (two names) and to look for both case Aa in the one command
[06:54] <bolgnese> sorry just read above
[06:54] <bolgnese> thank you
[06:55] <EriC^^> bolgnese: you could use cp -i {} .... it should bring up a prompt when about to overwrite so you'd know
[06:56] <EriC^^> otherwise you'd have to use find | while .. with an if statement that checks if file exists already and then renames it or something
[07:00] <bolgnese> thank you all very much most helpful =)
[08:59] <DVA5912> Im not sure what the speeds of the bus that controlls my laptops Wifi card are, but im curious if its the card, or the bus causing my speed issues. Swapped out a 2.4 Ghz only card for a Dualband with BT. Ubuntu picked it up right away without additional drivers (latest ubuntu) Im getting around 30 mb down, with exactly 5.23 up.. With a hardwire usb
[08:59] <DVA5912> im able to get full speeds of 254 down and 31 up. Is there any way i could test or otherwise tell if that wifi bus is causing the issue vs the new card?
[09:03] <tatertotz> DVA5912: are you chatting from the computer righ tnow
[09:04] <DVA5912> tatertotz yes i am
[09:04] <tatertotz> DVA5912: in terminal>     inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[09:04] <tatertotz> DVA5912: follow instructions on screen to install if not installed then follow through
[09:04] <tatertotz> DVA5912: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..simply say so
[09:06] <DVA5912> tatertotz this is a live disk im running off of. I dont show inxi installed and no package available to install
[09:06] <tatertotz> DVA5912: oh you're on LiveCD/LiveUSB..N/A then
[09:11] <Jordan_U_> DVA5912: Please pastebin the output of "lspci -vv -k".
[09:11] <kostas5> I am trying to boot but I get a "gave up waiting for root file system device" error. Any ideas?
[09:12] <raj> I'm looking to convert my Ubuntu to use WSL2 from WSL1, do I still need to run `dism.exe /online /enable-feature /featurename:VirtualMachinePlatform /all /norestart` as per https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-on-wsl-2-is-generally-available ? I wasn't clear on that
[09:12] <Jordan_U_> kostas5: Do you have more than one hard drive?
[09:12] <kostas5> Jordan_U_: no, its a laptop
[09:12] <Jordan_U_> raj: #ubuntu-on-windows for that.
[09:13] <DVA5912> Jordan_U_ https://pastebin.com/yJY4eSdG
[09:13] <raj> thanks
[09:14] <raj> actually, no thanks! that place is a desert
[09:14] <DVA5912> raj seen the tumbleweeds rolling by did ya XD
[09:15] <raj> yes   😂
[09:17] <Jordan_U_> raj: Unfortunatly I don't expect there's many people in this channel that know a lot about WSL. At least with #ubuntu-on-windows you might get an answer in a few hours, where here it's more likely your question will just get lost in the scroll and never found by someone that can actually help you. There are also non-IRC support resources.
[09:18] <raj> where can I go for non-IRC support?
[09:19] <Jordan_U_> raj: There's https://askubuntu.com and  https://ubuntuforums.org .
[09:20] <Jordan_U_> raj: I'd try https://askubuntu.com first, but try to check that they actually allow ubuntu-on-windows question there first.
[09:22] <raj> oh that's what you meant
[09:22] <raj> thanks Jordan_U_
[09:25] <tatertotz> DVA5912: you don't have a OS installed to disk?
[09:26] <DVA5912> tatertotz just win10
[09:27] <tatertotz> DVA5912: oh okay
[09:27] <DVA5912> tatertotz i poped this live disk in to see if the issue was still persistant accross the os. Ubuntu still has it, but just no where near the extent that windows does. Win had it to 24-28 down and pushing 1.5 Up
[09:27] <Jordan_U_> DVA5912: Please pastebin the outout of "dmesg --human".
[09:28] <tatertotz> DVA5912: you made the same observatioin in Windows 10 also?
[09:28] <DVA5912> tatertotz correct
[09:28] <tatertotz> DVA5912: that rules OS's out
[09:29] <Jordan_U_> DVA5912: Did your previous wireless card get better speeds?
[09:29] <DVA5912> tatertotz which should also rule drivers out then.. right?
[09:29] <tatertotz> DVA5912: yep
[09:29] <DVA5912> Jordan_U_ no. it was a 2.4G only, i got 15 down with 1.5 up
[09:29] <tatertotz> DVA5912: those devices perform the same regardless of Win10 or GNU/Linux
[09:30] <Jordan_U_> DVA5912: 2.4 GHz can easily do 100mbps down and up.
[09:30] <DVA5912> i am not getting that any where close. so its sounding more and more like the bus..
[09:30] <tatertotz> DVA5912: rules out software
[09:30] <DVA5912> Jordan_U_ how can i pipe that into a text file for you
[09:31] <tatertotz> DVA5912: and this chat room is for support of the Ubuntu desktop OS "software"
[09:31] <DVA5912> ok point taken. ill move to #hardware then..
[09:43] <koldf> u
[09:44] <koldf> hey,  I managed to fix the issue with modules
[09:44] <koldf> had to rm them manually, also headers then issue the install --reinstall command
[09:44] <koldf> I have a different issue now, considering that I'm running ubuntu  Ubuntu 19.10 x86_64
[09:45] <koldf> Is there a way to do a release upgrade at all?
[09:48] <koldff> im here
[09:57] <futureRich> can i know command of eix?
[10:37] <halvard> Im trying to install apache2 on a rpi4 with external hdd. How do I make it automount with the correct permissions?
[10:39] <Jordan_U_> halvard: Installing apache2 and mounting the external hard drive seem to be two separate things. Are you trying to use the external HD to hold /var/www/ ?
[10:40] <halvard> I tried every tutorial on how to give correct permissions, but I never solved the issue about Apache needed to be able to search though /media/Ubuntu/mnm/www
[10:40] <halvard> Jordan_U_: Yes
[10:41] <halvard> Someone said udisk its mounting it with wacky permissions
[10:42] <Jordan_U_> halvard: What filesystem is on the external hard drive? What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[10:43] <halvard> Ubuntu 20.04, file system fuse
[10:52] <Jordan_U_> halvard: fuse isn't a filesytem. Is the external drive using NTFS? Are you using the filesystem it came with?
[10:53] <halvard> Disks say: Contents: FAT (32-bit)
[10:54] <halvard> Jordan_P_: Further it says mounted at /boot/firmware
[10:55] <halvard> i didnt know about that, or if it matters
[10:56] <halvard> oh sorry. system boot was fat, and writable partition is EXT4
[10:56] <halvard> Mounted at file system root
[11:00] <rattlebattle79> hi
[11:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:03] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello
[11:04] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:07] <halvard> Jordan_U_: Sorry! The external hard drive is NTFS, mounted at /media/ubuntu/mnm
[11:31] <awilkins> So : just installed 20.04. Because of my work, need full disk encryption to be on.  Discovered that Ubiquity no longer supports LVM-on-LUKS unless you are wiping the entire disk.  This is kind of an issue for anyone who needs full disk encryption in anything but the most vanilla configuration.
[11:32] <EriC^^> awilkins: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption
[12:03] <tomreyn> awilkins: see also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[12:04] <tomreyn> also look at cryptsetup-reencrypt which allows for online encryption starting (i think, at least in LTS terms) 20.04 LTS.
[12:08] <raj> #postgresql is oddly quiet for the past few hours, hoping someone here may know the answer: I'm upgrading from ubuntu 18 to 20 and I'm being asked this question https://i.imgur.com/VhvL6Ls.png and I don't know what to do  =|
[12:08] <raj> any guidance would be appreciated
[12:09] <raj> I don't really know what "upgrading the 10/main cluster" means
[12:10] <boredguy> Backup the old cluster first to wherever
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> raj: postgres section also has 2 upstream releasenotes too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[12:12] <boredguy> It should be simple though
[12:13] <boredguy> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60409585/how-to-upgrade-postgresql-database-from-10-to-12-without-losing-data-for-openpro
[12:14] <raj> thank you  =)
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> boredguy: should be yes, but in the middle of an update things can get harder
[12:15] <raj> one more question, https://i.imgur.com/IbREXvB.png
[12:15] <raj> I'm on WSL
[12:15] <raj> so not sure how that affects this
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> raj: usually grub is installed on the first partition, sda, but only you can know wich you have chosen last time?
[12:20] <raj> I actually don't recall
[12:20] <raj> it would be on the boot partition, no?
[12:20] <raj> but how do I know which one is the boot partition?
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> that depends wich the user has chosen raj
[12:20] <awilkins> tomreyn, I like the extra "storing a key file" step, this is roughly the procedure I ended up with
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> but in most common cases users choose sda
[12:21] <raj> ok
[12:21] <awilkins> Might go back and create a keyfile now
[12:21] <raj> lotuspsychje, if I can see the labels then I would know
[12:21] <raj> is that possible?
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> raj: if you can get a tty next your upgrade
[12:23] <raj> I can
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> sudo fdisk -l
[12:24] <raj> lotuspsychje, https://paste.ee/p/RfSNl
[12:24] <raj> still not clear
[12:24] <raj> again, I'm on WSL, so not sure how that plays a part
[12:25] <raj> I feel like I probably don't need grub tbh
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> raj: was that the only output of fdisk?
[12:27] <raj> yes
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> raj: yeah that might be indeed due wsl i think, but i never actually played with it myself
[12:27] <raj> sda and sdb are the last two entries
[12:27] <raj> ok gotcha
[12:28] <raj> I'll skip it for now, and hopefully I can install it later if needbe
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> my fdisk gives the device /dev/sda itself with all partitions on
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin | raj see also;
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> they might know more of that virtual disk
[12:29] <raj> thank you
[13:31] <Sven_vB> hi! what's the thing called that we switch with Ctrl+Alt+F{1..8}, are those seats? I thought "virtual terminal" but that sounds a bit off for the graphical ones.
[13:32] <oerheks> tty ?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> vt/tty
[13:32] <Sven_vB> oh ok, so even if they run lightdm.
[13:33] <Sven_vB> then now I can ask my actual question. :-) is there a way to start lightdm on a background VT (7/8 in my case) without disturbing a local user typing into another VT (in my case a shell on tty2)?
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> !tty
[13:33] <Sven_vB> in focal
[14:00] <srged> Is there any way to disable to confirmation check for the trashed items ?
[14:01] <DVA5912> In yall's experience, does Ubuntu 20 need to have TRIM enabled for SSDs or is it set automaticaly
[14:05] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | DVA5912
[14:06] <DVA5912> 20.04..
[14:06] <tomreyn> ubuntu 20.04 LTS, like some of the earlier releases, runs a weekly fstrim job
[14:07] <Sven_vB> you can check with "systemctl status fstrim.service", more info in "man fstrim"
[14:07] <tomreyn> you may want to consider (not) using the discard mount option for file systems not supporting fstrim (but this option)
[14:08] <tomreyn> e.g. fstrim does not support FAT file systems, but discard is supposedly supported there.
[14:09] <tomreyn> on the other hand, it doesn't seem to work on my ESP
[14:10] <DVA5912> tomreyn, your right it was setup from the get go. Sven_vB thanks for the command to confirm!
[14:15] <Sven_vB> Do I understand correctly that the performance benefit of weekly TRIMming is just about doing cleanup in advance, when the disk is considered idle? does it mean when I disable weekly TRIMming, the slowdown will be only becuase each sector to be written will have to finally do the TRIM that I could have done in advance?
[14:42] <rattlebattle79> hi
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> welcome rattlebattle79
[14:48] <sm03lebr00t> Hey guys :P Anybody here has recommendations for a cool, clean and stunnin wallpaper. Just share the link :P Thanks
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | sm03lebr00t
[14:48] <oerheks> gnomelook.org is a start
[15:18] <pavlos> oerheks: are you able to open that site? mine is blank
[15:19] <oerheks> oops, the desh -
[15:19] <oerheks> https://www.gnome-look.org/
[15:19] <oerheks> good spot, pavlos
[15:20] <oerheks> gnome-without-look
[15:20] <pavlos> oerheks: thx
[15:21] <monojamoon|> Hi guys, is \EFI\Ubuntu\grubx64.efi the correct path to the Ubuntu grub menu?
[15:26] <oerheks> ubuntu without capital U, \EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi
[15:26] <monojamoon|> Ok... Thanks :)
[15:27] <oerheks> err \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi
[15:27] <monojamoon|> :)
[15:27] <monojamoon|> Yeah! I altered that.
[15:27] <monojamoon|> shimx is for secure boot, is it?
[15:29] <oerheks> yes, i think so
[15:29] <oerheks> !uefi
[15:29] <monojamoon|> Can we access and alter the boot order from inside Ubuntu?
[15:30] <oerheks> only from grub2
[15:30] <oerheks> not your bios menu
[15:30] <monojamoon|> I tried doing so through efibootmgr but the changes  don't stick
[15:33] <quadrathoch2> monojamoon| can you give us the output and what you want to edit?
[15:39] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: when you do an fsTRIM, this means the OS informs the disk (firmware) that a given physical block (there are no 'sectors' on SSDs/NVMEs) is not in use and it can do whatever with it, even though it's still part of partitioned space. often, the firmware will use this information to carry out some wear levelling or other optimization involving this block (but that's both outside of the OS' control as well as understanding, it doesn't even
[15:39] <tomreyn> learn about it). if you disable weekly fstrim, then *no* trimming takes place for file systems unless you'd trigger it manually, and unless you have the 'discard' mount option set for file systems supporting it.
[15:42] <Sven_vB> exactly, thus I'm trying to understand what kinds of performance degredation may occur and why.
[15:43] <Sven_vB> my guess is that the SSD will figure out the next time the OS tries to write a physical block, it implies the old content is no longer important and it can thus do whatever as if that physical block would have ben TRIMmed earlier.
[15:44] <tomreyn> in my experience, ssd's which can't do those optimizations for lack of TRIM information, IF the full capacity is partitioned, will grow slower over time.
[15:44] <Sven_vB> and this cleanup may then block the write operation a bit longer if the SSD doesn't readily have another free block available
[15:44] <Sven_vB> slower only in write acces, right?
[15:45] <tomreyn> yes, primarily on writes, not sure about reads
[15:46] <tomreyn> the ssd does not understand file systems, so no, it won't be able to determine which block is marked as 'deleted' on a file system. that's why there is fstrim.
[15:47] <Sven_vB> will Ubuntu write partial physical blocks? because if it writes full physical blocks, the SSD should be able to figure the old content of the block is no longer needed.
[15:48] <Sven_vB> actually if I understand the technology correctly, the SSD would have to transparently translate a partial block write into a full block write.
[15:49] <tomreyn> the SSD has no concept of "old/new content of block". also, deleting a file, on most file systems, won't even cause any data to be changed at the location where said data is stored.
[15:51] <Sven_vB> yes. I understand that the data of a deleted file will linger. :)
[15:54] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to understand the performance impact of not TRIMming on the block device level. maybe without a file system even, just dumping an ordered list of datasets that happen to each be one mibibyte in size and I access them by dataset number * 1 MB = byte offset.
[15:57] <Sven_vB> oh the problem will probably be that the SSD could do the TRIMming only for that one block each time for each block write request, and thus would be as slow as the TRIM on old 14.04 trusty.
[16:00] <Sven_vB> luckily I often have some unused partitions that I could TRIM entirely. can I do that directly of would I have to format them as sth. like ext4 first?
[16:00] <Sven_vB> *or
[16:01]  * Sven_vB asks his search engine first.
[16:02] <Sven_vB> looks like that use case is too exotic.
[16:02] <Sven_vB> ah blkdiscard
[16:05] <Sven_vB> let's try if it can do partitions as well as entire disks. :)
[16:05] <tomreyn> just deleting partitions which aren't needed should be sufficient.
[16:07] <Sven_vB> "deleting" as in removing their entry from the GUID Partition Table? I hope my SSD won't magically guess that implies an intent to lose the data on the disk area.
[16:10] <Sven_vB> Implementing such "helpful" guessing in the kernel would be a really evil prank though. :>
[16:10] <tomreyn> yes, removing a partition off the partition table let's SSDs which are able to interpret the partition table (and my *very limited* understanding is that most are nowadays) do whatever they want with the unpartitioned areas.
[16:11] <Sven_vB> eww
[16:11] <Sven_vB> thanks for the warning then.
[16:18] <Sven_vB> in case anyone else is interested, "blkdiscard /dev/disk/by-partlabel/test" made it become all-zero almost instantly while all other partitions on the test computer seem to have survived.
[16:18] <MR-D05> how can i do the equivalent of "systemctl daemon-reload" with the service command
[16:18] <dw1> getting a strange error on dist-upgrade for kernels https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WN8pgRmxCM/
[16:19] <dw1> 20.04.1 LTS upgraded from 18.04
[16:19] <dw1> will i be able to boot
[16:19] <Sven_vB> MR-D05, service xinetd reload?
[16:20] <MR-D05> xinetd: unrecognized service
[16:20] <Sven_vB> MR-D05, which service do you want to reload its config?
[16:21] <MR-D05> Sven_vB i added a service to /etc/systemd/system so i want to reload systemd
[16:21] <Sven_vB> MR-D05, ooh I see the original command reloads systemd's config
[16:21] <Sven_vB> MR-D05, well, you could try service systemd reload
[16:21] <MR-D05> systemd: unrecognized service
[16:23] <Nemo9> MR-D05: try just rebooting i had same problem i think rebooting fixed it
[16:23] <Sven_vB> MR-D05, why are you limited to the ancient method anyway?
[16:23] <MR-D05> im running a docker container
[16:24] <MR-D05> can i just install systemctl somehow?
[16:24] <tomreyn> dw1: you should uninstall those outdated, unsupported kernels (and respective initrd's)
[16:24] <MR-D05> oh i guess i can
[16:24] <Sven_vB> MR-D05, indeed you can. if you don't have systemd installed, that's the reason why you can't reload it. :D but systemd in docker sounds like there may be easier ways to achieve whatever you're really trying to do.
[16:25] <dw1> tomreyn: oh, yeah, they do seem to be real old
[16:25] <dw1> good idea
[16:26] <tomreyn> dw1: when that's done, run   sudo update-initramfs -k all -u
[16:28] <dw1> k
[16:29] <johnsmith92> Hello! My home folders (Documents, Images...) are bind mounts to another partition. When I use snaps I can't access those folders because I get a "Permission Denied" error, any idea on how to fix this?
[16:30] <Sven_vB> in focal, I'd like to use virtual terminal 9 for talking to /dev/ttyUSB0, do I have to spawn a user session with a minicom there, or can I somehow directly link them?
[16:30] <johnsmith92> However, I can navigate correctly to the real path of the mounted partition, its just that I can't use the bind mount on my home folder
[16:30] <oerheks> the old ways used to be install snap with the --classic option, check softwarecenter > installed > snapname > permissions
[16:31] <johnsmith92> It has access to the home folders, but it can't access those bind mounts
[16:31] <Sven_vB> johnsmith92, can other user (e.g. user "nobody") access those bind mounts?
[16:31] <oerheks> oh oke, i read about that earlier, no solution IIRC
[16:31] <oerheks> nfs mount
[16:32] <johnsmith92> This is the message I am getting on the syslog:
[16:32] <johnsmith92> Aug  2 18:32:12 ubu kernel: [ 1584.313836] audit: type=1400 audit(1596385932.169:28798): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.audacity.audacity" name=2F686F6D652F77656C636975732F496DC3A167656E65732F pid=5758 comm="pool" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[16:33] <johnsmith92> No solution at the moment? why's that?
[16:33] <oerheks> johnsmith92, wait, see " --devmode flag"
[16:34] <oerheks> last post https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?t=105797
[16:34] <johnsmith92> Yes but that's like bypassing all restrictions
[16:34] <johnsmith92> It happens with every snap not just audacity, just as an example
[16:34] <oerheks> yes, ugly.
[16:35] <johnsmith92> Maybe it's because I make those bind mounts of /etc/fstab=
[16:35] <johnsmith92> ?
[16:35] <johnsmith92> *on
[16:35] <oerheks> no, that is fine
[16:35] <Sven_vB> also could someone please update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto to explain if/why not you can talk to the serial line using a virtual terminal directly, instead of a "client" program running inside a local terminal?
[16:35] <johnsmith92> so what's the real problem here? just to know why is happening
[16:36] <oerheks> snap confinement, by design
[16:38] <johnsmith92> Damn... I just wanted to share the same Documents, Images, Music folders between Ubuntu and Windows
[16:38] <johnsmith92> looks like it's going to be hard
[16:42] <Deano59> what's the channel for ubuntu-arm?
[16:42] <johnsmith92> thanks for the help
[16:42] <DJones> !arm | Deano59
[16:44] <Deano59> DJones: thanks, I'm there already. :)
[16:54] <cesarnfo> hi drone
[16:54] <cesarnfo> hi u all there ppl
[16:55] <cesarnfo> en es pt
[17:00] <cesarnfo>  sain ot
[17:00] <cesarnfo> w
[17:04] <cesarnfo> tooth-ache :: a.benzocaina  b. dexaibuprofeno  c. amoxicilina  d.x
[17:04] <oerheks> !ot
[17:04] <cesarnfo> not at all
[17:05] <dw1> after upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 the screen never went blank or locked automatically even though it was set in settings, and now settings/gnome-control-center doesnt load at all but segfaults after a period of 100% cpu.. strace https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jnKqSwKGhD/
[17:05] <oerheks> do you have an ubuntu support issue, cesarnfo ?
[17:07] <cesarnfo> sort ubuntu QsQs....
[17:07] <cesarnfo> load ubuntu FAQ
[17:08] <oerheks> dw1, try to rename/remove ~/.cache/gnome-control-center and try again?
[17:08] <oerheks> it should be recreated with basic values
[17:08] <cesarnfo> minified
[17:09] <oerheks> cesarnfo, please don fill this channel with noise, thanks
[17:09] <cesarnfo> chonps +[]
[17:12] <Pinchiukas> Is there a way to prevent the dialog that happens when installing grub-pc? It send my script (that's running "apt-get install -y grub-pc") into some crazy loop.
[17:12] <cesarnfo> assert a dd do file
[17:12] <zethius> Timeshift backups don't work on Ubuntu. They work on all other distros but Ubuntu. Why?
[17:14] <cesarnfo> pre coz coz and post coz try k
[17:14] <JoeLlama> SpaceX Splashdown Streaming Now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFG2tDvfHKA
[17:14] <oerheks> wrong channel JoeLlama
[17:14] <cesarnfo> a k update
[17:15] <cesarnfo> else like seahorse
[17:15] <oerheks> JoeLlama, #ubuntu-offtopic is full of spacejunk enthusiastics
[17:15] <cesarnfo> sain ñuki
[17:16] <oerheks> that is where you should go too, cesarnfo
[17:16] <oerheks> !ot > cesarnfo
[17:17] <dw1> oerheks: removed the cache folder and ran gnome-control-center from terminal, first 2 times it said "Failed to register: Timeout was reached", third time it said "Failed to register: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying" and said this in log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zQDVh6JxB6/
[17:18] <dw1> freshly rebooted before this
[17:19] <dw1> and now its doing the 100% cpu and wait for a few mins thing
[17:19]  * dw1 waits for segfault
[17:19] <cesarnfo> edc github
[17:20] <dw1> segfault and similar to pastebin in logs
[17:20] <dw1> libgobject
[17:25] <oerheks> odd, never seen this
[17:26] <dw1> yeah, its ucks
[17:26] <dw1> it sucks*
[17:26] <dw1> hmm
[17:27] <oerheks> dpkg configure -a, apt install -f ..
[17:27] <oerheks> reinstall ubuntu-desktop..
[17:28] <oerheks> ( as command, not from iso)
[17:28] <cesarnfo> gobject{0-3} rubio step
[17:30] <cesarnfo> translate it to english like what, like dot stream pos 8x6 far top unicode
[17:34] <cesarnfo> we have to deal (we) w/ english like stick 4 ubuntu
[17:38] <cesarnfo> list symbols take a look bross
[17:40] <cesarnfo> irc sucks, like what, like mic phot gps pocket stuff
[17:41] <cesarnfo> sain -1
[17:41] <dw1> everything's upgraded, no apt stuff to do
[17:41] <dw1> reinstall didnt do anything
[17:41] <dw1> oh well who needs settings anyway
[17:41] <dw1> maybe it'll fix itself in a few updates
[17:43] <manu27993> Hi Guys.. I'm running a fresh installation of Ubuntu 20.04 on my Asus S551LB laptop. The built-in mic on this laptop is not working. Need help in making it work.
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: is your system up to date?
[17:44] <manu27993> Yes. Just ran an update just now.
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: what graphics card chipset do you have?
[17:45] <manu27993> Nvidia 740M using 440 proprietary drivers
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: could you try to switch to the 435 driver please and reboot, see if it influences?
[17:46] <manu27993> can it affect inbuilt mic performance?
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: well performance no, but it can influence sound issues yeah we have several user reports with sound on the 440
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: if you switched reboot and checked, and its not this problem, ask again, other volunteers will help you for something else
[17:48] <manu27993> Ok. I have now selected 435 driver from additional drivers tab.. It is applying changes.
[17:50] <cesarnfo> reported dead drive can u re alive it ?
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> cesarnfo: try photorec, if it cant rescue data anymore, its dead
[17:52] <cesarnfo> the needle doesnt go
[17:53] <cesarnfo> is a hhd 2.5'' sata drive needle hte obstacle
[17:54] <cesarnfo> i removed
[17:54] <cesarnfo> left a source down printed in disc
[17:54] <cesarnfo> and this is what i know
[17:55] <cesarnfo> im coming back afterw
[17:55] <cesarnfo> rebel needle
[17:59] <cesarnfo> a k, audio;proper a, k
[18:04] <cesarnfo> worked as tuber diamond brackets k pid uid guid Q i o init.d color gps date 1248
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> cesarnfo: ok thats enough, please focus on ubuntu issues tnx
[18:10] <cesarnfo> lotuspsychje  am speeching bout stick things, also english yes
[18:10] <manu27993> lotuspsychje: Hi... I tried rebooting after installing 435 nvidia proprietary driver. Now it is not reaching the login screen. It shows a black screen with a blinking cursor.
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: do you have secureboot enabled?
[18:10] <manu27993> Yes
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> manu27993: please disable and reboot
[18:11] <manu27993> Ok
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> good luck!
[18:11] <cesarnfo> 4 500 kernel specs u going to use a yes prog / app
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> cesarnfo: stop please
[18:11] <cesarnfo> stick
[18:16] <manu27993> lotuspsychje: its still the same
[18:36] <manu27993> Hi guys.. I'm running a fresh installation of ubuntu 20.04 on my ASUS S551LB laptop. The internal mic of my setup is not working. Need help in making it work.
[19:12] <Sven_vB> manu27993, does the BIOS-like config utility have an option to enable/disable the mic?
[19:12] <Sven_vB> any NetworkManager supporters here? I'm trying to debug wifi on a notebook with focal. I'd like to compare the internal wifi antenna with a USB wifi antenna. to do that I logged into a serial line (ttyUSB0) and "rfkill block"ed the internal antenna. now rfkill reports: there are no hard blocks, all BT and the internal wifi are soft blocked, the USB antenna fully unblocked. however, nmcli "device shows" both antennae as "unavailable" and
[19:12] <Sven_vB> "nmcli radio wifi" shows "disabled". when I run "sudo nmcli radio wifi on" that unblocks the internal antenna in rfkill. when I rfkill block the internal antenna, "nmcli radio wifi" goes back to disabled. is there a way to convince NM that antennae can operate independently?
[19:12] <manu27993> Sven_vB: no.. it does not
[19:13] <Sven_vB> *"nmcli device" shows
[19:14] <Sven_vB> I know the workaround of unloading some kernel modules if the antennae use different drivers, but I'd prefer a way that can enable/disable multiple wifi antennae of the same kind independently.
[19:18] <Sven_vB> I see there's a ticket about it on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/-/issues/76 but it looks pretty dead. :(
[19:21] <Sven_vB> I'll try systemd-networkd
[19:28] <cad_enc> Hey all, having a weird issue, not sure how to debug: I have a machine (using xfce/lightdm) that's failing to display anything but a cursor until I drop to a TTY and hop back
[19:28] <cad_enc> Any idea where I should start looking first?
[19:29] <cad_enc> I should mention, I checked systemctl status lightdm, and didn't see anything interesting
[19:32] <ioria> cad_enc, i'd suggest to debug it with a fresh user
[19:37] <Sven_vB> cad_enc, I'd take a screenshot from CLI, to compare what is visible and what the system thinks is visible.
[19:37] <Sven_vB> cad_enc, also check what xrandr thinks your screen size and position is.
[19:39] <Sven_vB> cad_enc, the ubuntu version is also important, as xrandr in xenial has a bug that translates the screen position but not the cursor. on one of my machines this means the cursor is always displayed 512px left of where applications consider it to be and where a click would happen.
[21:11] <FaTaL_G> Here goes what I suspect is a super opinionated question, but I'm really interested in suggestions. What is a solid remote desktop/vnc/xwin/xtunnel type of application to use on ubuntu 20.04
[21:12] <compdoc> x2go
[21:13] <FaTaL_G> only doing it in the home lan btw
[21:13] <compdoc> but requires a 2D desktop, as they all do
[21:15] <FaTaL_G> I typically don't even start x, but I do from time to time. I dont have kde gnome etc
[21:15] <FaTaL_G> some things are pretty easy via desktop and far harder with cli
[21:15] <FaTaL_G> thank you!!!
[21:17] <oerheks> Vino is build-in ..
[21:26] <Nemo9> i have a problem
[21:54] <soft_concrete> Does anyone see a problem in this short config file? https://hastebin.com/ukujujotof.conf I'm trying to make some new synclient settings persistent. I have it working another way, but I thought I'd try and do it the "proper" way with a .conf file
[21:55] <soft_concrete> I believe this file would go in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[21:57] <soft_concrete> Be right back
[22:05] <portd> using `snap` but how do I add Apt packages in Ubuntu Core?
[22:08] <Bashing-om> portd: "Apt packages" >> Run a variant of ' sudo apt install <package> ' .
[22:10] <portd> "Ubuntu Core 18" doesn't have `apt`
[22:10] <portd> it's Ubuntu on older amd64 (x86_64)
[22:12] <Bashing-om> portd: I also run a core install of (x)buntu 18.04 on old dual core Atlon .. and I assure you that the package manager is present.
[22:13] <portd> hi, leaftype
[22:14] <portd> Bashing-om, let me have a look-see
[22:14] <Bashing-om> portd: See in terminal ' dpkg -l apt ' .
[22:16] <portd> i found `dpkg-deb` which can install a local copy of the package.
[22:17] <portd> worst case, I just have to get through a repository.
[22:17] <portd> thanks, Bashy
[22:17] <portd> ;)
[22:18] <Bashing-om> portd: What apt package are you wanting to install ? - our software repo is the 1st choice for packages.
[22:20] <portd> I'm tasked with installing Apache Spark
[22:20] <portd> From #Ubuntu, I wanted to find a way to bootstrap-install something like GCC or clang.
[22:21] <Bashing-om> portd: Bot familiar with "Apache Spark
[22:21] <portd> I don't have GCC on my machine. so I was looking for a way to access a compiler on the system.
[22:21] <Bashing-om> portd: " - but Apache is a part of LAMP.
[22:21] <Bashing-om> !lamp
[22:22] <portd> okay I'll do that
[22:23] <portd> !thanks
[22:35] <glick> mod?\
[22:35] <glick> mod
[22:35] <glick> is there a moderator in here?
[22:37] <oerheks> glick, sure.
[22:41] <leftyfb> glick: This is a support channel for Ubuntu. What is your support question?
[22:44] <portd> how do I transfer install Ubuntu Live into my disk?
[22:44] <leftyfb> portd: you don't. You install Ubuntu on your disk using the installer
[22:45] <portd> atm, I `dd` usb to drive.
[22:45] <portd> and hope for the best
[22:45] <leftyfb> portd: here's a tutorial on how to install Ubuntu: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop
[22:46] <portd> leftyfb, okay. do you know the name of the installer? my system doesn't have Apt or dpkg.
[22:46] <portd> but I can install a package at a time, collecting the packages locally.
[22:46] <leftyfb> portd: why are you using Ubuntu core?
[22:46] <Bashing-om> portd: NO - for ease - Boot the USB drive and choose "erase disk and install ubuntu" ONLY if jappy to loose all that is present on the hard drive.
[22:47] <Bashing-om> happy*
[22:47] <leftyfb> portd: here is the documentation for Ubuntu core. Further support should be asked in #snappy
[22:47] <leftyfb> portd: https://core.docs.ubuntu.com/en/
[22:47] <Jayden> Why doesn't ubuntu come with the latest linux kernel
[22:47] <leftyfb> !latest | Jayden
[22:47]  * portd understood
[22:48] <Jayden> I'm excited for Ubuntu 20.10 that releases in october
[22:49] <portd> !nice
[22:49] <leftyfb> !support | Jayden
[22:49] <leftyfb> Jayden: this is a support channel. If you're interested in chatting, feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:49] <Jayden> ok thanks
[22:49] <Bashing-om> portd: Sorry me was out in left field somewhere with "core".
[22:50] <Jayden> !help
[22:57] <FaTaL_G> This is driving me absolutely bonkers.... I upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04, and I'm having the issue (*again*) with my internet facing dns failing.... I'm not even sure what to look at to fix it permanently. If I "ifdown" "ifup" it fixes it
[22:58] <FaTaL_G> actually, its not just dns... its like the connection on the adapter dies
[22:59] <FaTaL_G> I had the same issue from 16.04 to 18.04, and I never figured out why it stopped/fixed itself, but it wasnt me who fixed it as far as I know
[22:59] <FaTaL_G> no I do not use netmanager
[22:59] <FaTaL_G> simple interfaces
[23:02] <Sven_vB> I tried configuring my wifi on Ubuntu focal using netplan. In the generated systemd network file, there are only IPv4 addresses. however, on the interface, there's only an IPv6 address: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/27b2d9b1 what went wrong?
[23:07] <Sven_vB> I'll go ask #netplan
[23:13] <portd> FaTaL_G, to use `ifmetric`
[23:13] <FaTaL_G> what is that?
[23:14] <portd> measures your net, or something.
[23:14] <portd> you want to set the priority of each network during redirection.
[23:15] <portd> !ifmetric
[23:17] <FaTaL_G> thats not going to be realated to this issue, eno1 is the only interfae internet facing
[23:17] <FaTaL_G> the rest are on br0, and when the issue happens, I can continue to LAN fine
[23:17]  * portd defeated
[23:18] <FaTaL_G> sorry
[23:18] <FaTaL_G> I appreciate trying!!!!
[23:18] <FaTaL_G> the box "is my router"
[23:18] <FaTaL_G> and connects to fios
[23:19] <FaTaL_G> I'm kinda wondering if its hardware related
[23:20] <FaTaL_G> the guru's here have sung me the horros of brcmfmac drivers for the wifi hostapd setup I was using, so Im not even using it at this point
[23:21] <FaTaL_G> I was hoping 20.04 would support it better but thats looking like a no :/
[23:23] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: please easy on the enter button
[23:23] <lotuspsychje> FaTaL_G: ask your question, then patient wait until volunteers can help you
[23:56] <portd> #Ubuntu, how do I select a skeleton of the root system? Similar to OpenBSD or Arch systems.
[23:57] <portd> I intend to `chroot` into a shallow container of my current system.
[23:58] <portd> Or else I'll be using docker systems and managing where everything is downloaded.
[23:58] <portd> dittos to using multipass.


[02:19] <MTecknology> cjohnston: ugly...
[02:19] <MTecknology> pay per minute... :(
[02:24] <cjohnston> MTecknology: yup
[02:24] <cjohnston> 45 minutes for $30
[02:24] <cjohnston> but i can write it off my taxes
[02:24] <cjohnston> so its all good
[02:25] <MTecknology> how much do you really get back for writing it off though?
[02:25] <cjohnston> i dunno
[02:25] <cjohnston> but i had to do it.. i had to pay for classes
[02:25] <MTecknology> <$2/45min?
[02:26] <cjohnston> ?
[02:26] <cjohnston> oh
[02:26] <cjohnston> probably
[02:26] <MTecknology> i don't like pay/minute
[02:27] <MTecknology> but.. it's better than pay/mb
[02:27] <cjohnston> i have 5 gigs/mo on my 3g connection
[02:28] <cjohnston> off to bed
[02:28] <cjohnston> g'nite
[02:28] <MTecknology> g'night
[18:52] <cjohnston> newz2000: you around?
[19:19] <cjohnston> newz2000: I just sent the email to the ubuntu-website ml.. are there any others I should send to?
[19:20] <knome> depends what the email is about
[19:22] <cjohnston> website localization
[19:23] <knome> is there a translators ml?
[19:23] <cjohnston> umm
[19:24] <cjohnston> I would assume, but don't know
[19:25] <knome> i could assume that's one you could send, if localization has anything to do with translations.
[19:25] <cjohnston> ya
[19:28] <newz2000> hey, no, that sounds like a good one
[19:28] <newz2000> cjohnston: ^'
[19:29] <cjohnston> hey no
[19:29] <cjohnston> lol
[19:29] <cjohnston> its also on planet
[19:29] <cjohnston> (or will be)
[19:30] <cjohnston> newz2000: loco contacts since they will be involved?
[19:31] <newz2000> cjohnston: if you want, but I'd say lets focus on the technical aspects first
[19:31] <cjohnston> okie
[19:31] <newz2000> but I'm really open to whatever you think is good… if you get the locos involved you'll definitely build excitement. Maybe too much. :-)
[19:31] <cjohnston> lol
[19:33] <cjohnston> hopefully the email script thingie will update soon
[19:34] <qense> cjohnston: There is a general loco team mailing list, you may want to set it to there as well.
[19:34]  * cjohnston presses the select all button
[19:34] <cjohnston> lol
[19:35] <cjohnston> theres an ubuntu-bs team? thats awesome.. I want to move there
[19:52] <cjohnston> thanks for the reply newz2000
[22:03] <knome> bs = bulls...
[22:03] <knome> ?
[22:04] <cjohnston> yes
[22:04] <knome> hah
[22:33] <cjohnston> newz2000: any thoughts then on what to do since the JS doesnt look good?
[22:54] <knome> js ?
[22:57] <cjohnston> javascript
[22:58] <knome> i have a js guru who we have been using before with the release/countdown banners
[22:58] <cjohnston> did you get my email earlier?
[22:58] <knome> i'm not subscribed in the -website list
[22:58] <knome> let me look at that right now though
[23:00] <cjohnston> any idea what its called
[23:00] <knome> i'm gonna ping my code monkey and see what he says about this


[09:03] <lamont> jbailey: thanks for the email
[09:04] <lamont> is this turning into a kernel patch? or elsewhere?
[09:04] <jbailey> kernel patch.


[09:35] <daftykins> good morning gang
[10:05] <zxmpi> o/
[10:11] <daftykins> gotta take another stab at this misbehaving new wifi setup at a clients today
[10:11] <daftykins> so weird, every other one has been perfect... but their home seems cursed
[10:11] <daftykins> weirder still, there are 3 access points at theirs, 2 in the main house and one in a separate home office building - that latter one is also fine
[10:12] <zxmpi> interference from some other nearby network?
[10:12] <daftykins> nah, ruled that out early
[10:15] <zxmpi> lead paint on the walls?
[10:15] <daftykins> :D
[10:15] <zxmpi> really old buildings could have it.
[10:16] <zxmpi> located on top of granite. a real radio mucker upper
[10:18] <daftykins> well i had him stick cat6 in and APs in the main rooms, so you can have line of sight through the open air of the room on both bands, yet somehow it's still misbehaving
[10:18] <daftykins> really weird one
[10:21] <zxmpi> previous owner didn't put in anti wifi wallpaper? :-P
[10:21] <daftykins> hehe
[10:22] <daftykins> guy did say there's a lot of steel in his roof, to support the large open area, it did seem to cause weird quirks with their old setup
[10:23] <daftykins> it did last a few days too, worked great on the install day :D
[10:26] <zxmpi> steel will do it. have a large copper tank between my pc and wifi ap that likes to make reception funn
[10:38] <daftykins> ah well, will have to see if i can work it out
[10:38] <daftykins> best hop on my finest 2-wheeled steed and venture out :) ttfn \o
[10:44] <zxmpi> cycle safe
[14:22] <daftykins> well that was jammy, i arrived just as a telco engineer was there to investigate the phone line quality woes, he ran a new cable from the pole and sorted some wiring out there, so they now have 32 Mb down instead of 16-20 before \o/
[14:23] <daftykins> i had limited time in the house as the daughter wanted to leave before 3pm, so i tinkered around with the Ubiquiti APs and even went nuclear to reset them, nothing like last minute drastic changes when you have to get out the door, putting the pressure on
[14:23] <daftykins> eventually got them to give about 5-9 Mb but it's still terrible, i just don't get it
[14:26] <zxmpi> sounds weird
[14:26] <daftykins> mmm it really is, never seen anything like it
[14:27] <daftykins> reminds me of that story in the news a bit ago about that small town where some old boy was turning on some ancient TV and ruining the entire region's broadband services
[14:28] <zxmpi> really dumb ideas. have you tried killing the power to everything else in the house in case a wonky microwave or fridge is interferring?
[14:29] <zxmpi> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-54239180
[14:29] <daftykins> that'll definitely be on the list once i can attend and they're home (they were offshore on a smaller island today and just relaying news by text), i did at least change the password at first and boot every other device off, made no difference though
[14:30] <zxmpi> once had a pc that would corrupt every weekend as that's when the weekend security would plonk the radio transmitter on top of the pc to leave space on the desk for their feet
[14:31] <daftykins> :D
[14:31] <zxmpi> or a pc that would die within 2-3 days of installation as the shop location had an ice cream freezer 6 inches away from the pc. the motor magnet would write gibberish all over the disk when it was piii when i put in a pii it worked fine
[14:32] <zxmpi> you have no idea how many weeks it took to detect these problems
[14:32] <daftykins> that's dedication!
[14:33] <zxmpi> i was not going to be beaten by a pc that would arrive back every monday corrupt
[14:34] <zxmpi> did once take about 9 months to fix a pc i called rip van winkle. it would just randomly power off. hp replaced every part
[14:34] <daftykins> reminds me, i was up at wealthy client HQ and spotted that he's making the same mistakes with his silly desk design as with the old setup
[14:34] <daftykins> including the chassis? :D
[14:35] <zxmpi> eventually they replaced the case. and problem went away. can only surmise that there was a short connecting the motherboard and case somewhere we never found
[14:36] <zxmpi> but had to replace the ram, cpu, hard disk, power supply, motherboard over a series of hp visits. took forever on hold
[14:36] <daftykins> eek
[14:37] <daftykins> yeah can't very well do a naked desk build at a client's premises, hehe
[14:37] <zxmpi> oh and replaced the floppy drive AND dvd drive too
[14:37] <zxmpi> i think by that stage they were just giving us a new pc piece by piece :-)
[14:37] <daftykins> xD
[14:37] <daftykins> paying by installments
[14:38] <zxmpi> and of course by the time the pc was fit to be deplpoyed it had only 2-3 months of warranty left


[01:32] <ir0n0xid3> testing
[13:04] <djsiegel1> Hello, all.
[13:04] <djsiegel1> mpt is coming, his computer had to be restarted.
[13:05] <aday_> djsiegel1: hi :)
[13:06] <djsiegel1> Who's here for the ayatana-ux meeting?
[13:06]  * mgunes raises hand
[13:06] <aday_> me
[13:08] <djsiegel1> me
[13:09] <aday_> vish: ping!
[13:10] <mpt> Good morning sports fans
[13:10]  * vish just got back , will catch up with scrollback
[13:10] <aday_> mpt: morning
[13:10] <mpt> Hello aday_, mgunes, vish
[13:10] <mpt> and djsiegel1
[13:10] <mgunes> hi mpt, and all
[13:10] <mpt> So, a small short meeting today
[13:11] <mpt> ivanka apologizes that she's not here today, her brain is full
[13:12] <mpt> However, she did ask me to announce that the Launchpad team now have it on their roadmap to add the "UX advocate" field to Launchpad projects.
[13:12] <djsiegel1> Woo!
[13:12] <mpt> Once that's done, project maintainers will be able to specify in LP who their UX advocate is.
[13:12]  * mgunes apologizes for not being active in the team so far; his hands are full with work for the next two weeks, after which he hopes to get up to speed
[13:13] <mpt> And a few of us in Canonical have just been discussing how to publicize the idea.
[13:13] <aday_> the guadec bof of ux advocates has been timetabled: http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2010/BOFs/UserExperienceAdvocates
[13:13] <mpt> Sweet, thanks aday_
[13:14] <mpt> We want this to be something like the papercuts project -- something that open-source projects can adopt even if they have nothing to do with Ubuntu
[13:14] <mgunes> that's nice to hear. would be good to have a "circled ?" icon with a tooltip/link on what "UX" is near the UX Advocate field.
[13:15]  * mpt reads that guadec page
[13:15] <mgunes> aday_, how does remote participation work in GUADEC? Does it at all?
[13:15] <aday_> the main thing i want to do in that bof is get maintainers involved in the discussion
[13:16] <aday_> mgunes: i don't think we've had that in the past, unfortunately
[13:17] <mpt> Maybe we should invite Andreas Nilsson to join this team
[13:17] <aday_> mpt: good idea
[13:17] <mpt> Any objections? :-)
[13:17] <mgunes> of course not :)
[13:18] <mpt> ok, I'll mail him after the meeting
[13:18] <mpt> next
[13:18] <mpt> There's one design-related session from UDS that we didn't get time to discuss last week
[13:18] <mpt> And that was the idea of tagging usability-related bug reports in the bug tracker, with tags based on usability principles
[13:20] <mpt> For those of you who weren't at the session, this is based on something Mozilla is trying
[13:20] <mpt> You can read about it more here: http://uxmag.com/strategy/quantifying-usability
[13:20] <nigelbabu> @now
[13:21] <mpt> I don't remember the details of that UDS session, so I'll leave that until ivanka has time to explain it, maybe next week.
[13:21] <mpt> Is there anything else anyone would like to raise this week?
[13:23] <vish> wooho , UX advocate! +1 for andreasn ;)
[13:23] <mgunes> I'm wondering if any more of the UX-related sessions at UDS were videotaped
[13:24] <mgunes> (on top of those already available at video.ubuntu.com)
[13:24] <mpt> I didn't know (or had forgotten) that video.ubuntu.com exists
[13:24] <mpt> so I can't help you there, sorry
[13:25] <mpt> The Gobby documents probably still exist.
[13:25] <mgunes> mpt, check out the lovely video of Bruno Maag where he introduces the Ubuntu font, and the camera never points to the projection for 40+ minutes :)
[13:25] <vish> mgunes: http://ubuntudevelopers.blip.tv/file/3621745/, is for the fonts
[13:25] <vish> and there are a few other session that were recorded
[13:26] <mgunes> ah, I guess that's the one
[13:26] <vish> mgunes: not sure is video.ubuntu.com still exits , but blip tv is what is being used now
[13:26] <mgunes> vish, will check it out too, thanks
[13:27] <vish> mgunes: the slides >  http://www.daltonmaag.com/docs/FontDevelopment.pdf
[13:27] <vish> from Bruno's session^
[13:27] <mgunes> vish, I've gone through them; thanks
[13:28] <mpt> Ok, so nothing else to discuss today, let's end it there
[13:28] <mpt> though you're welcome to keep chatting :-)
[13:28] <mpt> Thanks everyone
[13:28] <vish> mgunes: as for the focus not bein at the screen , it kinda not possible unless we have dedicated cameramen ;)  those were just stationary cams on a stand :)
[13:28] <vish> mpt: thanks!
[13:29] <aday_> cheers all
[13:29] <mgunes> vish, I know; I can't blame anyone for not wanting to keep panning a camera while Mr. Maag is presenting..
[13:30] <mgunes> thanks everyone!
[13:35] <wers> hmm
[13:36] <wers> helloo
[13:36] <wers> mpt, is it done?
[13:36] <mpt> wers, yes, short meeting today
[13:37] <wers> ooh ok
[13:37] <wers> sorry was stuck in traffic
[13:40] <mpt> Sorry you missed it, wers-dinner, I'm posting out meeting notes now
[13:43] <mpt> mgunes, glad you made it. Maybe next week we could discuss how we can get UX ideas to/from the Ubuntu Forums?
[13:45] <mgunes> mpt, certainly. I'll actually post about that to the list, and we can expand the discussion further in the meeting.
[13:45] <mpt> cool, thanks