[09:13] <DJones> Can I suggest a factoid, occasionally I see questions about where to buy operating system free computers or linux preinstalled, in -uk, there's a couple of users who've set up a website listing suppliers of operating system free computers and wondered whether a factoid to give that information could be set up
[09:14] <Myrtti> DJones: factoid suggestions are always welcome, but not necessarily implemented ;-)
[09:14] <DJones> originally I'd just though to suggest it as a -uk specific one, but speaking to the developer he's said that they've got more international suppliers listed than uk, so whether you'd consider it worth adding as a global factoid, the suggestion was something along the lines of
[09:15] <DJones> Myrtti: I realise that, it is just an idea anyway
[09:15] <DJones> !nc is If you want to use a Free and Open Source operating system on a computer, this site lists and promotes computer shops both online and in the real world that will sell a system without a preinstalled operating system. http://nakedcomputers.org/
[09:15] <Myrtti> god I hate that site
[09:15] <DJones> :)
[09:15] <Myrtti> I hate the logo and the name
[09:16] <DJones> I can appreciate that
[09:57] <jussi01> the name doesnt bother me too much, but the logo...w ell it could do with a major rework.
[10:00] <MaWaLe> morning folks
[10:00] <MaWaLe> where can i ask for help about bots (sorry for eventual offtopic)
[10:03] <AlanBell> morning all, I designed the nakedcomputers.org site, happy to answer any questions about it
[10:04] <AlanBell> and I do think there is an issue with the logo too, we have been working on a new one but I am not altogether happy with that either
[10:10] <MaWaLe>  !bots
[10:14] <jpds> MaWaLe: Just go ahead and fire away your question.
[10:20] <MaWaLe> thx jpds
[10:20] <MaWaLe> jpds: i'm searching for help to implement a bot in our chanels (#ubuntu-tn, #ubuntu-tn-meeting, #ubunt-tn-classroom)
[10:21] <MaWaLe> the goal is to have one like ubottu
[10:21] <jpds> Would you like ubot2 or ubot4?
[10:21] <MaWaLe> what do you advice me to have?
[10:21] <jpds> Either, they're are both clones of ubottu. :)
[10:22] <MaWaLe> so what's the difference between them?
[10:22] <jpds> Their nicks.
[10:22] <jpds> MaWaLe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots#ubottu%20family
[10:22] <MaWaLe> can pick one of them, edit their msg and actions and rename it ubot-tn and pug it in our chanels?
[10:23] <jpds> Well, you could run your own bot if you'd like.
[10:24] <jussi01> !botclone
[10:24] <jpds> But if you'd just like a clone, I'd be more than happy to place one in your channels for you.
[10:24] <jussi01> AlanBell: mind if I pm?
[10:26] <MaWaLe> jpds: where can i find documentation about running our own bot? and if we require a clone, can we administer it? or you'll  have to do that for us?
[10:27] <AlanBell> jussi01: feel free
[10:27] <jpds> MaWaLe: See jussi01's link. :)
[10:27] <MaWaLe> i'm on it :)
[10:27] <MaWaLe> but i was asking for additional docs :)
[10:28] <jpds> Oh, that's an awful redirect.
[10:28] <jpds> MaWaLe: What exactly do you want? A bot with ubottu's factoids and stuff?
[10:29] <MaWaLe> yes
[10:30] <jpds> Then, I could just give you one of the clones.
[10:32] <MaWaLe> i'll be so grateful :)
[10:33] <MaWaLe> and one more question please : how to invite locobot_4 to subscibe permanently on all our chanels
[10:33] <jpds> MaWaLe: Send an email to admin-AT-ubuntu-eu.org.
[10:35] <MaWaLe> jpds: can i write my mail in french (it's eaiest for me to explain my thoughts in french)
[10:35] <jpds> Yes, I believe some of the team are French.
[10:59] <aliceinwire> hello how can i have a cloack ?
[10:59] <bazhang> !cloak | aliceinwire
[10:59] <Myrtti> aliceinwire: to get any kind of cloak (ubuntu member or any other kind) you first need to set up your nick as detailed in this FAQ: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - you MUST set an email address, AND group an alternate nick. For Ubuntu member cloaks, ask in #ubuntu-irc and provide your launchpad page, for unaffiliated ones, ask in #freenode.
[11:01] <aliceinwire> pk the nick is set correct
[11:03] <Myrtti> and you seem to have unaffiliated cloak already
[11:04] <jussi01> aliceinwire: are you an ubuntu member? if so, could you provide me with your LP page?
[11:04] <aliceinwire> sure
[11:04] <aliceinwire> https://launchpad.net/~aliceinwire
[11:05] <jpds> !member | aliceinwire
[11:05] <jussi01> aliceinwire: ahh, youve been given a unaffiliated cloak, and as you are not an ubuntu member you do not qualify for an ubuntu cloak.
[11:07] <aliceinwire> oh
[11:07] <aliceinwire> im a debian mainteiner
[11:08] <jpds> As I understand, only Debian Developers can get debian/ cloaks.
[11:09] <aliceinwire> oh ok thx


[10:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted thermald [source] (hirsute-proposed) [2.4.3-1ubuntu1]
[11:00] <sil2100> laney: hey hey! re: the autopkgtest staging deployment of the private esm stuffs - how are things going? Guess the changes are okayish for testing now, right?
[11:00] <laney> sil2100: should be as I left it on Friday
[11:00] <laney> so, yeah
[11:12] <sil2100> Ooooh! I see a lot of fixes from you from Friday! Thanks!
[11:19] <sil2100> Now I read the backlog, thanks a lot! Will start experimenting with the britney branch of mine
[11:22] <laney> sil2100: probably want to try a request, see if it all goes through fine and you can view it in the end
[11:43] <sil2100> laney: will do!
[11:43] <sil2100> jamespage: hey! Did you see my comment in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/1929179/comments/1 ?
[11:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-menu [source] (focal-proposed) [0.38.1]
[12:44] <jamespage> sil2100_: looking now
[12:45] <jamespage> sil2100_: mdeslaur ^^ what do you think? that point release is mainly CVE AFAICT
[12:46] <mdeslaur> jamespage, sil2100_ yes, building it as a security update would be ideal
[12:47] <sil2100> mdeslaur, mdeslaur: basically in that case it would be good to build that in a security PPA and then bin-copy to -proposed
[12:47] <mdeslaur> jamespage: I can stick it in the security team PPA, just let me know where it is
[12:52] <jamespage> mdeslaur: OK
[12:53] <jamespage> mdeslaur: they will appear in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3535 shortly
[12:54] <mdeslaur> ok
[13:02] <sil2100> Hey guys! Does anyone remember what's the situation with ubuntu backports?
[13:03] <rbasak> IIRC, the backporters team is inactive, and we don't have anyone currently looking to take it on.
[13:03] <rbasak> teward did ask a while back, but AIUI the lack of response to his request never got addressed, and he's no longer available to take it on.
[13:05] <rbasak> Meanwhile I think a couple of AAs have been backporting their own packages into there bypassing the backporters team, which isn't great but understandable given the circumstances.
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted initramfs-tools [source] (focal-proposed) [0.136ubuntu6.6]
[13:33] <jibel> doko, sil2100 what is blocking sssd in focal-proposed from being published to -updates?
[13:34] <jibel> we have another sru of sssd that we'd like to upload
[13:43] <rbasak> jibel: looks like nothing - the change is staged and won't land until the next SRU. Docs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Staging_low_priority_uploads and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Staging_an_upload. That means you can just go ahead and upload an SRU based on  2.2.3-3ubuntu0.5
[13:49] <doko> jibel, yes, just do another SRU on top of it, if needed
[13:50] <doko> or wait for the migration
[13:51] <rbasak> It won't get released on its own - there's no point, and it's disruptive to users.
[13:51] <rbasak> The idea is to prepare the new SRU on top and release the two changes together.
[13:54] <jibel> rbasak, doko , understood. thanks
[13:55] <doko> rbasak, how can I see that "It won't get released on its own"?
[13:55] <rbasak> doko: it's tagged block-proposed-focal, and there's a label on the pending-sru page
[13:59] <rbasak> doko: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-August/040791.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-October/040835.html was the original discussion. I tried to make sure it's documented well. If there's something remaining unexplained I'd appreciate feedback to improve the docs on this.
[14:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sssd (focal-proposed/main) [2.2.3-3ubuntu0.5 => 2.2.3-3ubuntu0.6] (ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[14:57] <didrocks> rbasak: FYI, here is then sssd uploaded with -v ^
[15:23] <LocutusOfBorg> archive-admins, are we ready to remove php7.4 and let the transition finish?
[15:23] <LocutusOfBorg> migrating php-common/2:82~0build1/i386 to testing makes php7.4-common/7.4.16-1ubuntu2/i386 uninstallable
[15:23] <LocutusOfBorg> utkarsh2102, ^^
[15:24] <utkarsh2102> LocutusOfBorg: yep, I was waiting for vorlon to start their day, since we've been discussing back-and-forth.
[15:24] <LocutusOfBorg> yay!
[15:24] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like in one britney run we will have a better picture
[15:25] <utkarsh2102> LocutusOfBorg: see LP: #1927264.
[15:26] <LocutusOfBorg> and then sync php8.0, right?
[15:26] <utkarsh2102> I am also waiting for phpseclib, which you sponsored, to be updated on the excuses page. So the only blocker will also turn green and the only thing that'll be left is only php7.4 which can be removed & php8.0 will transition.
[15:28] <utkarsh2102> also, as the bug states, I'll file an MP to add the hints so that php-defaults complete its transition and everything should fall into its place.
[15:29] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, what about just removing php7.4-common binary? it might work and let britney do its thing (together with badtesting php7.4 autopkgtests)
[15:29] <LocutusOfBorg> after one run we can just remove the whole php7.4 maybe?
[16:28] <juliank> oh laney, I added the sys.stderr blocking change to autopkgtest for autopkgtest-virt-ssh last week, should check logs if we still see that weird error when writing to sys.stderr
[16:28] <juliank> when I did the phased updates fix
[16:28] <juliank> gotta forward it if it helped
[16:32] <juliank> journalctl too slow
[17:05] <juliank> oh yeah, apparently it did not help either
[17:05] <juliank> sooo weird
[17:06]  * juliank was distracted by just whipping out a new spec
[17:15] <laney> bah what
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: strongswan (bionic-proposed/main) [5.6.2-1ubuntu2.5 => 5.6.2-1ubuntu2.6] (ubuntu-server)
[17:21] <juliank>                                                                                File "/home/ubuntu/autopkgtest/virt/autopkgtest-virt-ssh", line 208, in execute_setup_script
[17:21] <juliank>                                                                                sys.stderr.write(err)
[17:21] <juliank>                                                                                BlockingIOError: [Errno 11] write could not complete without blocking
[17:21] <juliank> bad paste
[17:22] <juliank> something is broken in Python IMO
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hg-git [amd64] (impish-proposed/universe) [0.10.1-1] (no packageset)
[19:22] <utkarsh2102> vorlon: have an opinion on what steps for php8.0 would you want us to follow?
[19:22] <utkarsh2102> LocutusOfBorg suggested few things, too^^
[19:24] <sergiodj> PSA: I will upload openldap 2.5.5 to the archive.  it will introduce a new binary package for the library, and will start a somewhat large transition (100+ packages affected)
[19:25] <sergiodj> I have extensively tested and made sure that everything is building & the tests are passing, but there may be some small bumps here and there, of course
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openldap [s390x] (impish-proposed/main) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[19:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openldap [amd64] (impish-proposed/main) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[19:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openldap [i386] (impish-proposed/main) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[19:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openldap [ppc64el] (impish-proposed/main) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[20:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openldap [armhf] (impish-proposed/main) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openldap [arm64] (impish-proposed/main) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[20:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openldap [riscv64] (impish-proposed/main) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[20:56] <sergiodj> ubuntu-archive: hey, could you please process the new openldap 2.5.5?  TIA
[20:58] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: php-defaults vs phpseclib/armhf?
[20:58] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: my comment on the bug report was that we should force php-defaults once php7.4 is the only hold-up, then remove php7.4
[20:59] <vorlon> but there's still an outstanding, unhinted autopkgtest regression for phpseclib
[21:00] <vorlon> sergiodj: why are we merging openldap from experimental?  Have you done a rebuild test to confirm this is going to go smoothly and not clog up proposed-migration for months?
[21:00] <vorlon> (> 120 reverse-build-depends in the archive)
[21:01] <sergiodj> vorlon: we're merging because I'd like to start the transition ASAP.  yes, I have done extensive tests to make sure that all rdeps are fine (modulo a few packages that are already broken in the archive)
[21:01] <vorlon> ok
[21:01] <vorlon> accepted
[21:02] <sergiodj> Debian will not have openldap in unstable for the foreseeable future, and we need to start the transition in Ubuntu because we'd like to have openldap 2.5.5 in impish
[21:02] <sergiodj> vorlon: thanks!
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openldap [amd64] (impish-proposed) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openldap [armhf] (impish-proposed) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openldap [ppc64el] (impish-proposed) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openldap [s390x] (impish-proposed) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openldap [arm64] (impish-proposed) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openldap [riscv64] (impish-proposed) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openldap [i386] (impish-proposed) [2.5.5+dfsg-1~exp1ubuntu1]


[09:11] <davmor2> Morning everybody and happy new year
[09:55] <schwuk> lo davmor2 - good Christmas?
[09:56] <davmor2> Quiet which is what we wanted :)  Had the family round and a lovely meal.
[09:56] <davmor2> How about you?
[10:11] <davmor2> schwuk: ^
[10:20] <schwuk> davmor2: good. Lots of fun, lots of food, a fair bit of drink.
[10:51] <davmor2> schwuk: did the kids enjoy it that's the important question :)
[10:56] <schwuk> davmor2: Oh yes.
[10:56] <davmor2> :)
[10:56] <schwuk> davmor2: and we did New Year at Disneyland Paris :)
[10:56] <davmor2> Loved that then :D


[20:20] <XDS2010> can someone help me translate a error i ran into ?
[20:20] <XDS2010> its in chinese i believe
[20:21] <XDS2010> http://imagebin.org/259849
[20:45] <XDS2010> FredC:  can you help us out ?
[20:47] <FredC> XDS2010, what?
[20:47] <XDS2010> http://cl.ly/image/0w13010C380H , the top image what does it say ? (the one in pink)
[20:58] <XDS2010> nevermind found it. it says "unknown error" in english. thanks guys


[00:05] <wolflarson> I should mention it is still asking for my old hostname. sudo: unable to resolve host <oldhostname>
[00:05] <sarnold> what does uname -a report?
[00:06] <wolflarson> old hostname
[00:08] <sarnold> wolflarson: running "hostname <newhostname>" will probably sort that out
[00:08] <sarnold> wolflarson: maybe "hostname --file /etc/hostname" ?
[00:09] <wolflarson> hmm thats how I changed it in the first place though.
[00:09] <wolflarson> I did not do the --file part will give that a shot
[00:09] <wolflarson> /etc/hostname was showing the correct host however
[00:16] <wolflarson> adding --file seems to have worked thanks sarnold
[00:18] <wolflarson> that or opening a new session picked up the <IP_ADDRESS> change to hosts. whatever way it is now working
[00:19] <sarnold> wolflarson: nice :)
[00:20] <sarnold> wolflarson: twenty-ish years ago I set up an SCO unix machine, and it had beena real bastard on the first two attempts, so on the third attempt I gave it a -terrible- bad word for a system name... and when the time came to deploy it, I couldn't track down every bloody use of the bad word
[00:20] <sarnold> I thought I got them all but we kept finding occurances where we didn't expect it and things broke ...
[00:20] <wolflarson> lol
[00:20] <sarnold> yet another re-install required :)
[02:07] <jak2000> hi all
[03:01] <jak2000> i buy a domain and how to configure the domain in the server? i want setup a mails erver(postfix) and webserver http2 thnks
[03:14] <patdk-lap> jak2000, I would highly recommend you don't do that
[03:31] <jak2000> why?
[04:19] <jak2000> ?
[11:51] <ChrisWarrick> Hello, have you got any good and up-to-date guides on setting up L2TP/IPSec VPNs?
[15:14] <DexterF> hi all
[15:15] <DexterF> server as base for media center, installing to 32GB usb3 thumbdrive for / and /boot. 3xsata hdds supposed to be main storage for media in md raid5. now: where do I put swap if I mean to suspend-to-disk?
[15:16] <DexterF> I was thinking: 4GB RAM, so put 3x 2GB swap in all of the 3 array drives, but then thought: bad idea, if one disk fails: no resume from disk. if I put swap on the raid5/lvm: lots of writing when swap is accessed.
[15:17] <RoyK> I'd put the swap on the USB thing
[15:18] <RoyK> gparted should be able to change the partition size, although perhaps from a live usb boot, since it's not always easy to change a mounted fs
[15:19] <RoyK> IIRC swap needs to be on a dedicated partition for suspend-to-disk to work
[15:20] <RoyK> and separating data from system, like you're doing, is a very good idea indeed
[15:24] <DexterF> RoyK: swap on the usb drive thought crossed my mind, too, if it only is used for suspend then the wear would even be ok, question is: how much swap does linux use when there's plenty of RAM. it's 4GB for a media center / DVB streamer on a minimum install so I don't expect it to use swap
[15:24] <RoyK> DexterF: but again - I'm not sure if you'll need suspend-to-disk on such a machine. I just use a raspberry pi for mine with openelec and it doesn't have that feature
[15:25] <DexterF> that's option B: "always on, don't suspend at all." power consumption is at 20W idle and barely exceeds 25 active.
[15:25] <DexterF> it really is feasible.
[15:25] <DexterF> leave out swap altogether then?
[15:25] <RoyK> DexterF: linux usually uses a wee bit of swap, but that's tunable with the vm.swappiness setting, default 60. Set that to 1 and it won't use much unless it's really necessary
[15:26] <RoyK> sysctl vm.swappiness
[15:26] <RoyK> will tell you it's setting
[15:26] <DexterF> ok, swap goes to the usb thumb then
[15:26] <RoyK> yes
[15:26] <DexterF> did not know that, thanks
[15:27] <RoyK> create a file, like /etc/sysctl.d/10-swappiness.conf
[15:27] <RoyK> add "vm.swappiness = 1" to it and run sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.d/10-swappiness.conf to have sysctl read it
[15:28] <DexterF>  -p is for persistent?
[15:28] <RoyK> man sysctl
[15:28] <RoyK> those things aren't persistent, but creating that file, means sysctl will read it during boot
[15:36] <DexterF> got it
[15:36] <DexterF> what the *flying*....
[15:37] <DexterF> my first attempt was to install directly install on radi5 everything, then found it doesnt fly well with grub, so I thought, ok, put in another usb drive for / /boot swap and start over form scratch.
[15:38] <DexterF> then the installer found the old raid config and I thought, better dd over the first 4M of the raid disks. did that
[15:38] <DexterF> now I created md0 again and it *finds* the former LVM volumes from installation 1. where the heck did it find that info?!
[15:40] <DexterF> LVM keeps a config backup at the end of the pv, right?
[15:42] <DexterF> installation fails due to shoddy sata cable on disk 3 :D
[15:54] <DexterF> then again maybe not. "base-installer: error: could not find any live images"
[15:54] <DexterF> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-installer/+bug/1575652 seems related. not sure and not sure what to do about it.
[15:54] <DexterF> any way to continue this installation or do I need to boot over and put the line in grub as suggested?
[16:30] <DexterF> ok, it works when *not* cheking "live installer" in the options. what's the difference in that anyway?
[16:36] <RoyK> DexterF: AFAIK grub doesn't support booting from anything but normal disks and mirrors (raid-1)
[16:36] <RoyK> DexterF: separate data and storage, and you'll be fine
[16:37] <DexterF> RoyK: yes, playing it ssafe now. grub2 actually does boot from lvm on raid5, but as soon as something happens you find yourself at a grub shell. plus, grub2 has to be installed to all disks. now it's on one and I should be good.
[16:38] <DexterF> K.I.S.S. principle.
[16:45] <RoyK> damn - didn't know that, but still, separating data from the system will never hurt
[16:46] <RoyK> keep the system and its swap etc on a separate, preferably mirrored volume and use raid-something or zfs for the est
[16:46] <RoyK> or even btrfs if you like to play with matches and petrol
[20:00] <cossier> hola


[00:01] <hyperknot> It seems that oom-killer didn't work properly, afterwards there as so many lines that many services like collectd cannot allocate memory
[00:04] <sarnold> good news though if you've got collectd on this system you probably have *good* visibility on what went wrong, whever it is that it sent the stats :)
[00:04] <hyperknot> I don't know where to see it. The memory part is easy, I just started a process which uses too much memory and it doesn't have swap enabled (ask Google why).
[00:05] <hyperknot> But still, oom-killer should take care of such situations.
[00:05] <sarnold> it should; not having swap will make it harder for the kernel to handle though
[00:28] <krup> hello! i am getting a python Traceback when trying to netplan apply a static ip address, i am met with a python traceback that looks like its having a time trying to mess with the loopback device: https://0x0.st/zYvh.txt
[00:30] <sarnold> krup: can you run (as root) udevadm test-buildin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/lo   ?
[00:30] <krup> Unknown operation test-buildin.
[00:31] <krup> is the output i receive
[00:31] <krup> HOWEVER
[00:31] <krup> udevadm test-builtin net_setup_link /sys/class/net/lo succeeds
[00:32] <krup> i believe there is a type
[00:32] <krup> typo*
[00:34] <sarnold> krup: aw crud that's my fault, sorry
[00:34] <sarnold> I *knew* I should have copy-pasted it but I figured this would be quicker. heh.
[00:34] <sarnold> krup: bugger though I was hoping that the command would fail and tell us why it failed :?)
[00:35] <krup> haha
[00:35] <krup> one sec it does complain
[00:36] <krup> net_setup_link fails: No such file or directory
[00:36] <krup> hmm
[00:43] <_divzero> Heya, I'm having a brain-fart - on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS it seems like libi2c is missing? Can install libi2c-dev but seems to only contain headers and no .so or .a? Googling seems to come up blank!
[00:46] <sarnold> _divzero: heh that's about what that looks like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/i2c-tools/3.1.1-1
[00:47] <sarnold> the binary package is in the bionic release https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/i2c-tools/4.0-2
[00:47] <sarnold>     - Add a libi2c0 package containing the new shared library. -- from the 4.0-1 changelog -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/i2c-tools/+changelog
[00:48] <_divzero> sarnold: That's just the userland tools not the library files needed by i2c-dev the rest is in libi2c0
[00:48] <_divzero> yep, that - but that's not in xenial
[00:48] <_divzero> which is plain weird
[00:49] <dr`venom> Under settings > background, I've set an image to be both background and lockscreen. Yet, when I have to login at startup I still get a violet (purple) background that looks low rez. Is there a way to change that through GUI app?
[00:50] <_divzero> sarnold, is it possible to graft that back in on xenial? I thought that wasn't possible with ubuntu?
[00:51] <sarnold> _divzero: you could use requestbackport from the ubuntu-dev-tools package to shove the bionic package into a ppa and built it for xenial -- it might work great, it might not work well at all. but it should be easy enough to try...
[00:55] <_divzero> sarnold: Thanks - I was assuming I was missing something and that it should be present?? There are all sorts of packages that use libi2c such as lm-sensors so thought it would be there? Seems bonkers for i2c-dev to have the header but not the library..
[00:56] <sarnold> _divzero: yeah; I don't know much about libi2c, it's possible it weas header-files-only or similar before then
[00:58] <_divzero> sarnold: Ah... maybe was inlines before then, good point, I shall check!
[01:03] <Lib-> anybody have any ideas why my ubuntu install might be borked? tried to do a fresh install on a UEFI system. don't know much about UEFI, except what i've read in the last 12 hours. can't seem to get an .efi file generated to point my bios at when creating a boot option. boot-repair log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kTKYxMXQXw/
[01:06] <sarnold> Lib-: which disk did you expect to boot to?
[01:07] <Lib-> i had made n1p6 as a fat32 partition, as some guides had suggested for UEFI systems. n1p1 was mounted to "/" and sda1 was mounted to "/home"
[01:09] <sarnold> Lib-: I don't know an awful lot about booting, but I'm a bit surprised the nvme drive is a DOS-partition style and not GPT partition style
[01:09] <sarnold> Lib-: I wouldn't be surprised if UEFI booting goes way better to GPT than to DOS
[01:11] <oerheks> what drive is the bios set to boot? that drive should contain the uefi partition, fat32..
[01:13] <Lib-> it seems to not boot from a "drive", but rather from a "boot option", which is configured from within the bios by navigating to and selecting an .efi file. i have been unable to create a "boot option" for the ubuntu installation because i can't seem to generate an .efi file during the course of ubuntu installtion or grub installation.
[01:14] <Lib-> and thank you both for your engagement.
[01:17] <Lib-> sarnold: bios is able to find and navigate the fat32 partition and only that partition (despite having several ext4 partitions)
[01:17] <sarnold> Lib-: oh weird. uh.
[01:18] <sarnold> Lib-: here's the efi things I've got in my system's efi filesystem http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sTb47Jpv3X/
[01:19] <Lib-> sarnold: yeahhh... that's what i need... :{
[01:19] <sarnold> Lib-: I *think* the shim64.efi is the one you'd want if you've got secure boot enabled; grub64.efi perhaps if you don't have secureboot enabled
[01:20] <sarnold> Lib-: try the installer again and check the logs before rebooting?
[01:20] <sarnold> maybe it'll report an error about what happened to keep the efis from being unpacked correctly
[01:20] <Lib-> sarnold: i will give that a shot when i get in tomorrow.
[01:21] <k_sze> Is it possible to create an encrypted, growable ext4 disk image, e.g. in a exFAT partition on an external USB HDD?
[01:23] <k_sze> (actually, growable is not requirement)
[01:24] <k_sze> I need it to be encrypted and writable though.
[01:26] <oerheks> i think it is hard to do, exfat is not posix
[01:27] <k_sze> oerheks, if I create a disk image that's like a file in the exFAT fs, shouldn't it be agnostic?
[01:28] <k_sze> think like a .dmg file in the macOS world.
[01:30] <oerheks> I think only LVM can do this
[01:30] <pragmaticenigma> k_sze: Currently there are no methods that support the resizing of an encrypted volume/image file. At least not on it's own. Those that do offer the functionality simply create a new volume/image file that is the targetted size, copy everything into the new volume and then delete the old volume/image file
[01:32] <k_sze> Looks like VeraCrypt may do the job? It's not libre, but it seems to do what I want?
[01:33] <pragmaticenigma> k_sze: That particular application is doing exactly what I just mentioned
[01:33] <k_sze> pragmaticenigma, I actually don't need the growing/resizing part. I just need it to be writable.
[01:33] <k_sze> (and encrypted)
[01:35] <sarnold> mixing exfat ext4 and encryption sounds like a really frustrating experience
[01:36] <sarnold> why do you need so many layers?
[01:36] <pragmaticenigma> !info cryptmount | k_sze, this is about the closest thing that I can find that is built in
[01:37] <k_sze> sarnold, the external USB HDD is the company's. It's already got other stuff backed up on it. So I want to create an encrypted writable disk image, formatted as ext4, so I can preserve ownership and permissions when I rsync my home dir into it.
[01:38] <k_sze> (the external USB HDD is already formatted as exFAT)
[01:38] <sarnold> k_sze: can you even mount the thing writably on linux?
[01:38] <pragmaticenigma> k_sze: the host file system doesn't matter, you can create an image file in any file system you desire
[01:38] <sarnold> well, it *might*
[01:39] <sarnold> I heard there's an exfat fuse implementation
[01:39] <sarnold> but I have no idea if it has write support
[01:39] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold: I don't think your understanding what I'm saying.
[01:39] <k_sze> sarnold, ubuntu has non-free packages for mounting exfat writably as FUSE.
[01:39] <sarnold> and nesting ext4 in losetup in luks in extfat in fuse sounds like the world's most brittle thing ever :)
[01:39] <pragmaticenigma> it's not nesting
[01:40] <k_sze> sarnold, as far as the exFAT fs is concerned it just sees a really big multi GB file.
[01:40] <pragmaticenigma> exfat drive would simply have a binary file on it. another application, that can read said file can read it and mount it onto the host os
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> I do this all the time with VeraCrypt... My USB drives are all exFat or NTFS... I have image files on them for Veracrypt that ext4
[01:41] <sarnold> don't stress it. this sounds brittle.
[01:41] <tomreyn> how about shrinking the existing partition on it and create another which then serves as a cryptsetup-luks encrypted storage?
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> USB drives don't always support partitioning
[01:41] <tomreyn> ?!
[01:41] <sarnold> that'd be far more reliable -- but then you lose the free backups from work
[01:43] <tomreyn> i guess this partition could also be a veracrypt managed one
[01:43] <tomreyn> well, not also, but alternatively
[01:43] <k_sze> It's fine. I'm going the VeraCrypt disk image route.
[01:43] <k_sze> That way the disk image can also be copied anywhere I like.
[01:45] <pragmaticenigma> Sounds like a good plan if your in a hurry to get this done. I would encourage you to continue reading up on FOSS alternatives to get a better understanding of how all of it works
[01:45] <tomreyn> exfat *may* actually get into the kernel https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2019/08/28/exfat-linux-kernel/
[01:46] <tomreyn> the kernel that matters, that is, linux
[01:46] <k_sze> it would really be awesome if MS made exFAT libre.
[01:47] <_divzero> sarnold: You were dead on - older ones use a load of inlines in the header, doh!
[01:47] <pragmaticenigma> k_sze: One small item to consider. If the drive is the property of your employer, remember they can request that drive at anytime and may not allow you to pull your data off of it before they take it away
[01:47] <sarnold> _divzero: woo :D
[01:47] <k_sze> pragmaticenigma, that's fine. I'm only making the backup because this company laptop needs to be RMA'ed.
[01:48] <pragmaticenigma> ah, I see
[01:49] <k_sze> brb
[01:50] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~arter97/+archive/ubuntu/exfat-linux
[01:50] <tomreyn> https://github.com/arter97/exfat-linux
[02:48] <leonardus> I can't boot into Ubuntu. this is what I get https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tvmrXVgM/IMG_20191030_224749__01.jpg
[02:49] <leonardus> I switched to Ubuntu so my linux install wouldn't suddenly be breaking on me all the time and now I can't even boot into the desktop.
[02:53] <sarnold> https://docs.nvidia.com/deploy/driver-persistence/index.html#persistence-daemon
[02:55] <sarnold> leonardus: if another reboot doesn't fix it, I think boot into a rescue mode and look through the logs
[03:43] <ghostofbabbage> Hi there ..
[03:45] <ghostofbabbage> bye ...
[05:01] <warsoul> The following packages have been kept back:
[05:01] <warsoul>   linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[05:01] <warsoul> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[05:01] <warsoul> i typed apt-get upgrade
[05:01] <warsoul> and got this msg
[05:02] <doug16k> use `apt dist-upgrade` to let it install those
[05:03] <warsoul> doug16k thanks
[06:25] <sirriffsalothp> Hey guys, ran into an odd problem last night... my lovely self-built machine just suddenly powered off and wouldn't boot again. Turned out if I umplugged the PSU-plugs from my graphics card, it can boot again. Further experimentation shows that it will boot with the left PSU plug in the GPU, but not the right, and the right seems to be for the fans as they're not running. If I have ONLY the fan-psu-plug plugged in, the system won't boot... any
[06:25] <sirriffsalothp> ideas?
[08:12] <zeon219> hello all
[08:18] <hyperanalysis> good morning!
[08:32] <quarkmaster> Hey everyone, after upgrade to 19.10 from 19.04, it seems my `apt-file` no longer works as expected. Eg: `apt-file list gettext` returns nothing. Digging into the apt cache files looks like the `Contents` file for the main ubuntu repos somehow seem to be missing. However `ubuntu-updates`, `ubuntu-security` repos seem to be there as expected.
[08:32] <quarkmaster> Any thoughts on how to fix this?
[08:33] <quarkmaster> I've tried purging and reinstalling `apt-file` and doesn't seem to work
[08:34] <hyperanalysis> I'll be honest, I've always had some sort of trouble with upgrading - I generally take the point of view now that upgrade time is wipe and clean-reinstall time.
[08:35] <quarkmaster> hyperanalysis: true, but I find that I don't always have the time to do this every 6 months, one would think that after so many years, it's reasonably stable :( .. I also found that `gettext` and `mlocate` package was removed during the upgrade, which I don't exactly understand why. `mlocate` is very surprising considering it provides `locate`
[08:35] <quarkmaster> which is a standard unix command.
[08:37] <hyperanalysis> One would think so, but yet... lol
[08:38] <hyperanalysis> I muck around with my distros so much by the time an upgrade is available I've probably got a list of niggling issues which a wipe is far more efficient than tracking down the problems, so I just keep backups and resign myself to clean installs - sorry I know that's not really helping you, just making an observation. =)
[08:40] <quarkmaster> hyperanalysis: I know, make sense. I used to do that :)  .. But trying to brave myself and get on board the upgrade train cautiously now.
[08:41] <quarkmaster> Anyhow, would love it someone can point me in the right direction. `apt-file` issue seem to be rather straightforward that the main repos are missing their `Contents` file. Keen to know if this is a bug somewhere or just a config mishap during the upgrade.
[08:49] <EriC^^> quarkmaster: what main repo are you using?
[08:55] <quarkmaster> Eric^^: `deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan main universe restricted multiverse`
[08:55] <quarkmaster> And also `deb-src` for the same.
[08:56] <quarkmaster> Those are the two line from my `/etc/apt/sources.list`
[08:57] <quarkmaster> Then follows of course, the similar ones for `eoan-updates`, `eoan-security` and `eoan-backports`.. all of these seem to have their `Contents` file in the cache, and subsequently those show on the `apt-file` list (only the files that were updated)
[09:00] <quarkmaster> For instance, looks like there is an update for `apport-gtk` after the release, and as such `apt-file list apport-gtk` will show only the files that came as a part of `eoan-updates` not the full list since that's a part of the main `Contents` which isn't there
[09:12] <quarkmaster> ^^ anyone?
[09:16] <zeon219> yes?
[09:23] <MJCD> what package would I need if a fairly standard usb hdd appears, but fails to be read?
[09:23] <MJCD> its ntfs
[09:23] <quarkmaster> zeon219: Hey everyone, after upgrade to 19.10 from 19.04, it seems my `apt-file` no longer works as expected. Eg: `apt-file list gettext` returns nothing. Digging into the apt cache files looks like the `Contents` file for the main ubuntu repos somehow seem to be missing. However `ubuntu-updates`, `ubuntu-security` repos seem to be there as
[09:23] <quarkmaster> expected.Any thoughts on how to fix this? I've tried purging and reinstalling `apt-file` and doesn't seem to work
[09:25] <MJCD> quarkmaster, have you done the obvious
[09:25] <MJCD> ie sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:25] <MJCD> your cache will have been cleared on update
[09:25] <quarkmaster> MJCD: Done many a times, cache cleared, etc
[09:26] <MJCD> what about your sources.list
[09:26] <MJCD> have you enabled all the repo's including src
[09:26] <MJCD> also how did you upgrade
[09:27] <MJCD> if you say you replaced the distro name in sources.list and ran upgrade; you're probably screwed :P
[09:27] <quarkmaster> MJCD: Probably this will help, instead of reposting: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu.html#t08:32
[09:27] <MJCD> so i'll take that to mean it wasn't a clean install
[09:28] <MJCD> do that. keep your data on a separate partition to your system so it always persists
[09:28] <quarkmaster> MJCD: No, no. nothing unsual, it's all usual means. Had a stable standard installation upgraded through the gtk widget when it popped up the notification to upgrade
[09:28] <MJCD> if you run the standard software tool whatever that is in your thing
[09:28] <MJCD> what does that do/say
[09:30] <quarkmaster> MJCD: I feel like you're walking me (who's a tech architect) through a serious to tech support, have you unplugged your cord thingy.. I appreciate your help, but please read the logs to get the right context. :)
[09:32] <MJCD> quarkmaster, oh well then mr techmaster
[09:33] <MJCD> guess you don't need anyone :3
[09:33] <MJCD> or maybe the solution is the same regardless of how knowledgeable you are
[09:33] <MJCD> you just don't like it
[09:34] <MJCD> and yet it's largely true of every version change of every OS everywhere
[09:34] <MJCD> with auto-updating key system components from userspace being problematic
[09:50] <zeon219> when i clean install 16.04 in a pc the very first time i logon ubuntu suggest to upgrade to 18.04. When i accepting the proccess, it starts but after a while stops and nothing happens. On every other reboot never suggest such upgrade again. Any clue why that happens?
[09:51] <MJCD> zeon219, it might be <unknown to the rather simplistic updaters> incompatible in some way
[09:52] <MJCD> ironically once again i'd recommend if you want to upgrade, put your user folders/data on a separate partition always and then you can just consistently fresh install
[09:53] <MJCD> oooh
[09:53] <MJCD> power outage
[09:53] <Taggnostr> hello
[09:54] <zeon219> i have no user data yet since is fresh install on 16.04. Yes i can live with fresh 18.04 fresh install. And yes i have my /home dir in separate disk
[09:54] <Taggnostr> I have a (k)ubuntu 19.04 machine and whenever I connect an external drive, the system can see it, but can't mount it
[09:55] <Taggnostr> this is the error I get when I click on the drive in dolphin: An error occurred while accessing 'TOSHIBA EXT', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sdd2 at /media/user/TOSHIBA EXT: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[09:56] <Taggnostr> the drive works fine on other machines
[09:57] <Taggnostr> once I managed to mount another drive by fiddling manually with `mount`, so it seems to me there's something wrong in the default settings used to mount external drives, but I'm not sure where to look
[09:57] <Taggnostr> do you have any idea what might be the problem, and how to debug/fix it?
[10:05] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: what's the filesystem of the partition?
[10:05] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: sudo blkid /dev/sdd2
[10:08] <Taggnostr> TYPE="ntfs" PTTYPE="atari"
[10:08] <Taggnostr> EriC^^, this is a disk I just bought, I haven't formatted it
[10:08] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: try from a terminal "sudo mount /dev/sdd2 /mnt"
[10:09] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: that's pretty odd, since it has 2 partitions
[10:09] <Taggnostr> the command worked fine, but then I got a popup in the tray saying that the filesystem at /mnt is not responding
[10:10] <Taggnostr> dolphin says "Could not enter folder /mnt." and cd: /mnt: Permission denied
[10:10] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: what about "sudo ls /mnt"
[10:10] <Taggnostr> that works
[10:11] <EriC^^> seems working fine, must be some filemanager issue of not being able to mount it, as you said options and whatnot
[10:11] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: sudo umount /mnt
[10:12] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: you could try using the program "Disks" and see what settings it's using for the system mount
[10:12] <Taggnostr> iirc it used to work, so something might got messed up at some point (maybe during an update)
[10:20] <Taggnostr> EriC^^, can I apt-get that?
[10:20] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: it should be already installed
[10:21] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: try "gnome-disks" in the terminal
[10:21] <Taggnostr> if I write "disks" in the menu it brings up kde partition manager
[10:21] <EriC^^> that's probably what you want
[10:22] <EriC^^> click on the partition and look for any options or settings icons etc
[10:22] <EriC^^> maybe rightclick
[10:22] <Taggnostr> No support tools were found for file systems currently present on hard disks in this computer:
[10:22] <Taggnostr> Partition File System Support Tools URL
[10:22] <Taggnostr> /dev/sdd2 ntfs        ntfs-3g http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/
[10:22] <Taggnostr> As long as the support tools for these file systems are not installed you will not be able to modify them.
[10:23] <Taggnostr> this came up as soon as I opened the partition manager
[10:23] <Taggnostr> looks like I'm missing some package for ntfs
[10:25] <Taggnostr> `sudo apt install ntfs-3g` fixed the problem \o/
[10:25] <Taggnostr> thanks EriC^^
[10:26] <Taggnostr> the hd seems to have two partitions, one is 128MB unknown type, the rest is ntfs
[10:26] <Elvanor> Hello, does someone know how to make (on Linux) an Ubuntu bootable USB stick with UEFI only?
[10:26] <Elvanor> Before I used unetbootin but it seems this tool has problem with UEFI.
[10:26] <Taggnostr> is there any reason to keep it ntfs, or should I reformat it to ext4 or something else?
[10:27] <Elvanor> I tried just copying the contents of the ISO to the stick but it does not work. The GRUB bootloader starts but after the system does not find any "live media"
[10:27] <Taggnostr> Elvanor, maybe check etcher, not sure if it works with UEFI, but that's what I used lately
[10:28] <moritzdietz> You can also just use dd
[10:28] <moritzdietz> stackoverflow is full with questions like these
[10:29] <Elvanor> Taggnostr: etcher does not seem available on gentoo but I can compile it
[10:29] <moritzdietz> https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[10:32] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: ntfs is good if you're going to be using it windows or other os at some point
[10:32] <EriC^^> i'd leave it ntfs, who knows
[10:33] <Taggnostr> EriC^^, I don't think I will use it on windows (I don't have any windows machine, and I'm not planning to attach it to foreign machines) -- is there any other advantage in using different filesystems (e.g. faster reading/writing)?
[10:34] <MJCD> what's the dang package again for ubuntu to have ntfs support
[10:34] <moritzdietz> It indeed does make a difference
[10:34] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: i have no idea tbh, supposedly ext is better at not fragmenting (i think)
[10:34] <moritzdietz> Taggnostr: you should check google for "linux filesystem comparisons"
[10:35] <EriC^^> MJCD: ntfs-3g ?
[10:35] <moritzdietz> If you only use linux you should be very safe with ext4
[10:35] <MJCD> EriC^^, nice, thx
[10:35] <MJCD> moritzdietz, it's for a recovery :P
[10:35] <EriC^^> np
[10:35] <moritzdietz> MJCD: I was talking to someone else :P
[10:35] <MJCD> ah haha
[10:36] <MJCD> thanks all
[10:37] <Taggnostr> yesterday I was copying some 300GB of data from another machine that was running 18.04 and it took like 8 hours (but it might be due to some unrelated problem)
[10:37] <moritzdietz> Well it depends if it was from USB or not etc
[10:37] <moritzdietz> and what kind of data it was
[10:38] <EriC^^> 8 hours is excessive
[10:38] <EriC^^> that's like 11mb/s, was it via wifi or something?
[10:38] <MJCD> lol and i'm back
[10:38] <moritzdietz> If the source is a slow USB drive then it could be it
[10:38] <MJCD> so i'm running from a live cd (for recovery of files from ntfs as I said)
[10:38] <moritzdietz> but without more info it's hard to say
[10:39] <MJCD> how do I mount the internal hdd
[10:39] <MJCD> (sorry, no expert at this stuff)
[10:39] <Taggnostr> it was from the internal disk of my laptop to an external drive, via usb 3
[10:39] <MJCD> after installing ntfs-3g I did `mount -a`
[10:39] <moritzdietz> well writing to an external drive *can* be slow
[10:40] <MJCD> slow isn't a real issue lol
[10:40] <MJCD> it performs how it performs
[10:40] <moritzdietz> MJCD:
[10:40] <moritzdietz> I am not talking to you :D
[10:40] <MJCD> I was addressing Taggnostr
[10:40] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: something definitely wrong there, maybe check "dmesg" for clues if you ever get the chance again
[10:40] <moritzdietz> MJCD: ah well ok
[10:41] <Taggnostr> but as I said, that machine had some issue, the ram was filling up quickly and then it was start lagging
[10:41] <Taggnostr> I had the same issue on this machine with an older linux (18.xx) and the problem disappeared once I switched to 19.04
[10:42] <Taggnostr> I could format the disk to ext4, then try to copy the 300GB again :)
[10:47] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: i see, sounds like some memory leak
[10:49] <EriC^^> Taggnostr: "ps aux | sort -k4" should show which processes are using the memory
[10:49] <Taggnostr> it was stopping at some point though
[10:50] <Taggnostr> it would fill up quickly all the 16GB of ram and then used some 300MB of swap and stopped growing
[10:50] <EriC^^> wow
[10:50] <Taggnostr> now I updated it to 19.10 and the problem should be gone
[10:51] <EriC^^> sounds good
[10:52] <MJCD> I am following this
[10:52] <MJCD> https://superuser.com/questions/352157/mount-ntfs-windows-partition-on-ubuntu-live-cd
[10:52] <MJCD> but I can't find the internal drives /dev/sd*
[10:53] <MJCD> I have tried them all
[10:53] <MJCD> 1 mounts but isn't the internal disk at all lol
[10:55] <MJCD> sda1 appears to be the windows PE partition
[10:55] <MJCD> sda3 mounts but only has System Information or something
[11:01] <MJCD> urgh
[11:01] <MJCD> so its because I have to mount it as root
[11:01] <MJCD> I can work with it using the shell
[11:02] <MJCD> but even running exo-open --launch FileManager (standard xubuntu file manager) as su
[11:02] <MJCD> it still cannot access the folder lol
[11:02] <MJCD> god I love linux
[11:02] <MJCD> :|
[11:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:03] <SimonNL> good afternoon
[11:03] <MJCD> like how does that even happen
[11:04] <MJCD> the file manager even says "be careful you're running as root"
[11:04] <MJCD> yet still nerf's me lol
[11:05] <MJCD> loool wtf mannnn
[11:05] <MJCD> cp -r /media/disk/folder1 /media/usb/
[11:05] <MJCD> "cannot create symbolic link"
[11:05] <MJCD> well that's good given windows/ntfs doesn't even have those
[11:05] <MJCD> :D
[11:05] <MJCD> can you copy my backups now
[11:05] <MJCD> lol
[11:07] <MJCD> aaand there's no cp option to just ignore symlinks
[11:07] <MJCD> wow
[11:07] <MJCD> so usable
[11:30] <aiena> I was just using time along with bash to measure how long rsync processes take with fully syned drives. I got this output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d7xgNhgDSZ/ it seems like it takes about 68 minutes just to check. I am curious about how to interpret the additional info after that what are those pagefaults things?
[11:30] <aiena> time doesnt seem to generate the cpu usage oputput on a normal shell command call so wonder the source of that extra info
[11:31] <MJCD> so i'm having to copy each folder of ONLY files out manually
[11:31] <MJCD> such a joke
[11:32] <MJCD> thanks for the 0 help lol
[11:32] <aiena> MJCD what happened?
[11:33] <aiena> lol he left so sad
[11:45] <lapion> how can i get systemd-resolve to honor the /etc/hosts file ?
[11:58] <aiena> lapion this https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6224 may help
[11:58] <aiena> just read through the comments
[12:00] <lapion> aiena, it's not local addresses that I added to to the hosts file
[12:01] <aiena> to be honest I am not knowledgeable enough to help you
[12:01] <aiena> but please hang around
[12:03] <lapion> Why is the /etc/hosts file being ignored by ubuntu when resolving addresses ?
[12:03] <pragmaticenigma> lapion: Please post the contents of your hosts file to https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[12:03] <aiena> i dont think its ignored
[12:03] <BluesKaj> lapion,  what did you change in /etc/hosts ?
[12:04] <pragmaticenigma> lapion: when you ahve posted the file, then send us the link so we can look at it
[12:07] <lapion> pragmaticenigma, BluesKaj, aiena try inserting; c.com <IP_ADDRESS> into your hosts file
[12:08] <lapion> c.com should be forwarded to google.com
[12:08] <pragmaticenigma> lapion: Please do what I asked... I think you have something setup incorrectly in your file.
[12:08] <pragmaticenigma> I just tested mine with pointing www.bing.com to googles IP address and it worked
[12:10] <Kats99> Failed to execute command "@@BINARY@@ %u" when i click on vmware icon in the systems tab of xfce
[12:10] <Kats99> it doesnt open
[12:10] <Kats99> but it opens when i type vmplayer in terminal
[12:11] <aiena> Kats99 looks like a shortcut problem maybe ask in xubuntu or #xfce
[12:11] <Kats99> ok thanks
[12:11] <mceier> lapion: you're using wrong order - swap ip with the name...
[12:13] <lapion> mceier, thank you that's it
[12:51] <adante> hey folks, having trouble with the ubuntu 19.10 livecd freezing on me after a while (with the try ubuntu option). I've tried booting safemode and nomodeset but still seems to freeze
[12:52] <adante> i'm pretty out of the loop but just wondering if any known issues with 19.10
[12:52] <adante> (up until about a day ago I was happily using 17.04 - tried a do-release-upgrade and it stopped booting so figured i'd try to update it)
[12:52] <pragmaticenigma> How long are you running the Live session for, before it crashes out?
[12:53] <adante> system is a hp n36l with nvidia g210 graphics added
[12:53] <adante> pragmaticenigma: anywhere from 10-25 minutes it seems
[12:55] <adante> i've removed all other hdd's to try to isolate issues and it's just booting off usb at the moment. next step is probably removing gfx card but that's a pita i was hoping to avoid
[12:55] <adante> also fwiw once it freezes (usually on the unity desktop, it is completely frozen/cursor doesn't move/keyboard leds do not light up)  the computer seems pingable on lan
[12:56] <aportier> adante: the system specs seem kinda low for stock Ubuntu, have you tried any flavors with a lighter desktop experience?
[12:57] <aportier> Gnome can be a resource hog
[13:05] <adante> aportier thanks for the suggestion. 17.04 was running okay but i guess it has been a while since then. i'll take a look at some of the other flavours
[13:08] <aportier> I can recommend Lubuntu and Ubuntu Mate, I have used both on older hardware and preform very well. You might also try opening an SSH session to the box before it crashes and running top, see if it is running out of resources before the crash. I suspect that is what is happening.
[13:12] <B|ack0p> hi.
[13:12] <B|ack0p> what is the best "paint" alternative app for linux?
[13:12] <B|ack0p> i wanna crop/select/cut image
[13:12] <BrokenLinuxes> gimp?
[13:12] <B|ack0p> make selection
[13:13] <B|ack0p> gimp is photoshop like isnt it?
[13:13] <tarzeau> grafx2
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> B|ack0p: As you have been told before, please use #ubuntu-offtopic for software recommendations. Asking about what program to use or is the best is not a support question.
[13:14] <BrokenLinuxes> grafx2 reminds me of of my beautiful retired amigas
[13:14] <B|ack0p> pragmaticenigma: ok
[13:14] <tarzeau> BrokenLinuxes: then you should also check out protracker, hivelytracker and fasttracker2
[13:15] <BrokenLinuxes> tarzeau oh wow, good stuff there
[13:15] <tarzeau> BrokenLinuxes: pushover also existed on amiga right? there's a version on ubuntu now! and ballerburg (atari)
[13:16] <pragmaticenigma> BrokenLinuxes, tarzeau: Please remember to keep this to support. If you'd like to chat, please head over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:17] <B|ack0p> pragmaticenigma: why so strict?
[13:17] <BrokenLinuxes> pragmaticenigma o7
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> B|ack0p: People come here looking for assistance. If they see random chat, they may feel they can't ask about their support question.
[13:19] <B|ack0p> i understand but i just asked a simple question linux/ubuntu based
[13:19] <B|ack0p> not kernel but it is still about linux/ubuntu
[13:20] <B|ack0p> i feel anxious asking here recently because all the time i am getting a warning
[13:20] <B|ack0p> offtopic or suggestion ..etc
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> B|ack0p: Take a look at the room topic if confused, or here is what each room is for: #ubuntu - Support online, help with application/system crashes, configuration issues, things that prevent you from completing your task. #ubuntu-discuss - discussion about ubuntu and its operation, how to do a task, system optimizations. #ubuntu-offtopic - For anything not part of the previous two rooms, including application recommendations,
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> polling for suggestions, system tweaking, idle chat with community members.
[13:28] <B|ack0p> pragmaticenigma: ok sorry
[13:29] <B|ack0p> another question and i think this is ubuntu related :p
[13:29] <B|ack0p> i just received error reporting popup about update notifier
[13:30] <B|ack0p> title is update notifier at top bar
[13:30] <B|ack0p> update-notifier *
[13:31] <B|ack0p> but it is a popup window saying "system program problem detected"
[13:31] <B|ack0p> no details
[13:31] <B|ack0p> this is 2nd popup i faced in few mins.. first one pops up after i login to ubuntu.. this is after a while about 10-15 mins later probably
[13:32] <ioria> B|ack0p, yo ucan paste :    ls -al /var/crash | pastebinit
[13:33] <B|ack0p> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CsqDJhHNGF/
[13:33] <ioria> B|ack0p, what's you release and kernel ?
[13:33] <B|ack0p> ioria: Linux uthink-x601s 5.0.0-32-generic #34~18.04.2-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 10 10:36:02 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:34] <B|ack0p> latest 18.04
[13:34] <B|ack0p> suppose to be 18.04.3 why does it show 18.04.2 ?
[13:35] <ioria> B|ack0p,    sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:36] <B|ack0p> ioria: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:36] <ioria> B|ack0p,   you can reove the content of /var/crash and reboot
[13:37] <ioria> *remove
[13:37] <B|ack0p> ioria: how to remove?
[13:37] <B|ack0p> sudo rm /var/crash ?
[13:37] <ioria> B|ack0p,   you don't know how to remove a file ?
[13:37] <B|ack0p> i dont usually use terminal for that
[13:37] <ioria> B|ack0p,  sudo rm -rif /var/crash/*
[13:38] <B|ack0p> ioria: thx
[13:38] <B|ack0p> all clean and fresh crash folder now :p
[13:38] <ioria> B|ack0p,  reboot
[13:38] <B|ack0p> ok
[13:41] <B|ack0p> no error report so far
[13:43] <ioria> B|ack0p,  test it for a little time; those were  big crashes
[13:43] <B|ack0p> ok
[13:43] <B|ack0p> thx
[13:44] <ioria> np
[13:58] <ubuking> when is
[13:59] <ubuking> ubuntu 20.04 there????? release ???????????????????????????????????????
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> ubuking: in #ubuntu+1
[14:05] <BrokenLinuxes> Question, will the command "apt-get install linux-headers-generic" ever install headers not needed for the currently running system?
[14:06] <BrokenLinuxes> when i run that, it's wanting to install headers much different from the current uname -r output
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> BrokenLinuxes: wich ubuntu version are you on, and what are you trying to do please?
[14:09] <BrokenLinuxes> 14.04.5, having issues with an install of an application during the build and insert driver phase
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> BrokenLinuxes: 14.04 is end of life, do you pay for ESM support?
[14:09] <BrokenLinuxes> i know this is an unsupported version but this application install is part of my migration and upgrade process
[14:09] <BrokenLinuxes> lotuspsychje no, HWE ran out april 2019 on that one
[14:10] <BrokenLinuxes> ran fine on 7 similar servers
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | BrokenLinuxes
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> BrokenLinuxes: please understand upgrading from an eol version can have security risks, see !usn aswell
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> BrokenLinuxes: more reccomended is backup your data, and clean install a supported ubuntu version from the channels topic
[14:14] <BrokenLinuxes> that's what i'm in the midst of doing, upgrading to a supported release
[14:48] <octav1a> What difference any is there to having no partitions and using /dev/sda as the filesystem vs one huge partition /dev/sda1?
[14:48] <octav1a> what difference if any*
[14:51] <akk> I don't know on older pre-UEFI systems, but doesn't UEFI insist on a small boot partition of its own?
[14:54] <crypt0kraken> octav1a: having no partitions at all is possible but unusual, and may confuse you and others in the future, for the insignificant gain of not having to store a partition table
[14:54] <crypt0kraken> octav1a: the partition table is a few KiB at most
[14:55] <octav1a> idk, it was that way when I got there (huge raid5 data block on a development machine) so I was kind of wondering why
[14:56] <octav1a> but besides the fact that it initially was strange to me, no technical gotchas I guess?
[14:58] <crypt0kraken> octav1a: well, I *think* it makes it impossible to repartition without wiping everything first, but if you don't need to repartition, then there's no problem
[14:59] <dolanbatar> partition table is a few bytes at most
[14:59] <dolanbatar> unless you have GPT
[15:00] <octav1a> ok, nice. I am continually finding new strange things that are supported in linux. Definitely better than the alternative
[15:00] <dolanbatar> 64 bytes, first sector
[15:00] <dolanbatar> first 446 bytes are boot record
[15:00] <dolanbatar> boot loader, first stage
[15:01] <crypt0kraken> octav1a: probably also be careful with automatic partion management software and operating system installers and the like
[15:01] <crypt0kraken> octav1a: they might interpret your partitionless drive as empty and format it/wipe it or something
[15:02] <dolanbatar> repartitioning doesnt touch your data, unless you use LVM or format some partition
[15:02] <dolanbatar> i.e. you have 3 partitions, wipe partition table
[15:02] <dolanbatar> then recreate exactly the same partition table
[15:02] <dolanbatar> and your data are still there, untouched
[15:03] <dolanbatar> this way I've found a file on my flash drive last week, when i've recreated third partition
[15:08] <Squarism> is there some way you can make "non-sticky" notifications remain in the notification list?
[15:09] <Squarism> Or if it those with expiry time = now
[15:09] <Squarism> its
[15:26] <Kats99> hey guys im unable to connect my phone to my computer. i tried jmtpfs too but not working..it shows input output error
[15:28] <tatertots> usually you'd need a USB cable of some sort to connect a phone to a pc
[15:34] <akk> Kats99: I've never had much luck with any of the mtp filesystems, I gave up and just use adb for all communication with android.
[15:35] <Kats99> was that a joke?
[15:36] <Kats99> i need to transfer an iso from my phone to my laptop..will that work in adb
[15:36] <akk> yes, I use adb for all file transfers.
[15:37] <akk> But an iso? I don't think I've ever used an iso on android, is this something it's supposed to install or something?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Kats99, ubuntu must have an equivalent to kdeconnect
[15:37] <tomreyn> hi Kats99, so you have an android phone? and which ubuntu version and desktop?
[15:37] <Kats99> umm i use xfce
[15:37] <Kats99> well not ubuntu...debian
[15:37] <Kats99> the debian channel got no answers
[15:38] <tomreyn> oh, well this channel is about ubuntu, thus the name
[15:38]  * lotuspsychje facepalms
[15:38] <Kats99> but it;s the same regardless
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> Kats99: It is not the same... use the #debian channel for debian questions
[15:38] <tomreyn> it's not. please try again on #debian or on ##linux
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> !debian | Kats99
[15:38] <Kats99> ok
[15:59] <m4d-d0x> hello
[15:59] <m4d-d0x> does anyone know how can i put the ubuntu dock on another monitor if i have multiple?
[16:00] <m4d-d0x> i could phisically move them, but i guess there is a better way to do that.
[16:09] <Seveas> m4d-d0x: the settings app has a tab for the dock where you can set that
[16:13] <banisterfiend> 	hi has anyone here setup an openvpn split tunnel in linux using cgroups etc? i want to be able to choose which apps go over the vpn. i think i've got something wrong with my iptables setup though
[17:29] <magic_ninja_work> how do I determine which graphics driver I'm using?
[17:29] <magic_ninja_work> I'm supposed to be using nvidia, but I keep getting my IGP reported back.
[17:29] <magic_ninja_work> Both are being detected.
[17:29] <EriC^^> magic_ninja_work: sudo lshw -c video
[17:30] <magic_ninja_work> It is still showing both
[17:31] <magic_ninja_work> driver i915 and driver nvidia
[17:31] <ioria> magic_ninja_work, and what's the problem ?
[17:31] <magic_ninja_work> Which driver am I running on?
[17:31] <ioria> magic_ninja_work, glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[17:32] <magic_ninja_work> my 960M is what that returns.
[17:32] <ioria> magic_ninja_work, you're on your nvidia then
[17:34] <magic_ninja_work> anyone know a good tlp gui?
[17:41] <saor> I dont but im genuinely curious why
[18:04] <kwhat4> Hi, does anyone know of an unofficial, but up-to-date, PPA for PHP with ZTS support?
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> kwhat4: PPAs are use at your own risk and not supported in this channel
[18:04] <pragmaticenigma> kwhat4: You can try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:05] <kwhat4> Is there a supported PHP ZTS?
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> kwhat4: there are no packages in the official Ubuntu repositories that I can find that enable ZTS support.
[18:07] <oerheks> one can try ppa:ondrej/php-zts, you beter build php with zts support yourself
[18:07] <oerheks> oh, that ppa is old
[18:07] <kwhat4> ppa:ondrej is super old/eol... maybe if Zend was concerned with people updating PHP they would have better packaging support.
[18:09] <oerheks> !build
[18:09] <kwhat4> compiling myself is going to be receipt for never updating.
[18:10]  * kwhat4 feels like infrastructure management has taken several steps back in the last few years.
[18:18] <AlexPortable> Ubuntu supports autorotate for my device, but when I tilt the device to the right, my screen will be upside down, and when I tilt my screen to the left, the screen is still upside down. How do I invert this and fix it?
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> !touch | AlexPortable
[18:19] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, so, it does rotate, just the wrong angle?
[18:20] <AlexPortable> yep, it's upside down every time
[18:20] <AlexPortable> when i rotate the device to the right, the screen turns to the orientation which would be good if you would turn it to the right
[18:20] <AlexPortable> pragmaticenigma: I'm on Ubuntu 19.10, not on Ubuntu Touch
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> AlexPortable: What you're describing isn't a feature of Ubuntu... the feature your describing is maintained on the link and channel indicated
[18:21] <AlexPortable> oh it certainly is
[18:22] <AlexPortable> Here is how to turn it off: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1035209/how-to-turn-off-screen-rotation-in-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[18:23] <lordcirth> Why wouldn't screen rotation be supported?
[18:24] <oerheks> shake that device, or swirl it?
[18:24] <oerheks> some girometers do not work properly below 10'C
[18:24] <AlexPortable> Well it works properly, it just turns it the wrong way around
[18:25] <AlexPortable> basically if i put the device on it's right side, i would have to put my head upside down to view it, and also when i put it on the left side
[18:25] <shreds> Hi! why "FastCGI Apache module isn’t available in Ubuntu’s repository" why do we need to wget it? any proper way to install it on a production server with apt updates, etc?
[18:26] <lordcirth> shreds, what Ubuntu version?
[18:26] <shreds> FYI: I'm talking about the `libapache2-mod-fastcgi` package
[18:26] <shreds> 18.03 LTS
[18:26] <Phruis`> so i am trying to upgrade to 19.10 and it looks like it stalled out on "setting up gvfs-common"
[18:26] <Phruis`> what should i do?
[18:26] <shreds> @lordcirth maybe I'm just dumb but apt tells me: "Package libapache2-mod-fastcgi is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[18:27] <shreds> oh just noticed I don't have non-free in my sources.list!!!
[18:27] <shreds> might be it
[18:27] <lordcirth> shreds, after a quick search, you might need multiverse
[18:28] <shreds> I have these: deb http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic multiverse & deb http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-updates multiverse
[18:28] <oerheks>  there is no need to install the libapache2-mod-fastcgi package. https://askubuntu.com/a/1082196
[18:28] <shreds> @oerheks oh really wow this is not clear at all
[18:28] <lordcirth> That's using php-fpm instead?
[18:29] <oerheks> lordcirth, jups
[18:29] <shreds> there's lots of website and guides telling to install it still no wonder I was looking for it
[18:29] <lordcirth> Will that be identical?
[18:29] <shreds> so to use fastcgi/php-fpm I don't need it?
[18:29] <oerheks> no, less traffic than the fastcgi module
[18:29] <lordcirth> I'm also seeing that "libapache2-mod-fcgid" is an alternative?
[18:30] <shreds> only apache2 and php-fpm needs to be installed and nothing else? that's the first time I read this, it's been a few years I haven't played with apache hehe
[18:30] <shreds> yeah I noticed `libapache2-mod-fcgid`
[18:34] <AlexPortable> any suggestion how i can calibrate what screen orientation to apply where?
[18:37] <sarnold> AlexPortable: xrandr can rotate things, I think it's per-screen, but never tried it myself
[18:43] <AlexPortable> how do i configure it when to autorotate?
[18:44] <sprinkles> Is it possible to update an apt package past the mainline version that's available for my lsb-release?
[18:45] <sarnold> AlexPortable: the autorandr package can run xrandr on specific conditions, it may be useful to you
[18:45] <sprinkles> Say Ubuntu 19 has the correct version of the package I want, but I'm running Ubuntu 16.04, which doesn't. Is my only options to compile the package myself or upgrade to Ubuntu 16, or is there some middle ground where I can still use apt?
[18:45] <sarnold> AlexPortable: your desktop environment may have other mechanisms too
[18:45] <AlexPortable> I use gnome
[18:46] <sarnold> sprinkles: the requestbackport tool from ubuntu-dev-tools can rebuild newer packages on your system or in a ppa; it may be able to do the trick for you
[18:46] <sarnold> sprinkles: depending upon what you're trying to do, it might work fine, or it might be a horrible idea.
[18:54] <sprinkles> sarnold: understood. It probably largely varies on (1) How different the package's packaging expectations have evolved over time, and (2) how unhappy the package's upgraded dependencies are going to make your installation. Thanks for the keyword though, I'm going to read about this.
[18:56] <sarnold> sprinkles: yeah; for example, upgrading glibc would lead you into a situation where we'd probably tell you to just reinstall from scratch to fix the mess :) but mutt or iozone wouldn't be likely to break anything .. and there's a lot of middle ground..
[18:56] <saor> sprinkles: Technically you can add the 19 sources to your apt list and upgrade that application but its likely to fuck stuff up
[18:57] <oerheks> !mix
[19:00] <kwhat4> Is there someplace I can find the official PHP packaging materials for Ubuntu?
[19:00] <oerheks> launchpad source php ..
[19:03] <kwhat4> oerheks is this what I am looking for https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/php5
[19:05] <oerheks> no, take the ubuntu tour https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.2
[19:06] <oerheks> 7.3 is disco and up, iirc
[19:07] <kwhat4> oerheks thanks, I am on 18.04
[19:08] <Guest97113> Hi,
[19:09] <Guest97113> I've got a problem with nvidia drivers. Despite being blacklisted they keep getting loaded. Any idea what is responsible for this?
[19:11] <sarnold> Guest97113: iirc nvidia's got a program that loads them explicitely. look around for an nvidia module loading program of some sort
[19:13] <Guest97113> sarnold: found a service and I disabled it as well.
[19:15] <sarnold> Guest97113: nice nice, do you still have the name of the service handy?
[19:21] <indoorcat> hello
[19:21] <indoorcat> I have a issue installing my printer driver
[19:21] <indoorcat> I got the driver from a website with a little help
[19:22] <indoorcat> I extracted and install.sh the installer in terminal
[19:22] <indoorcat> where is pph file?
[19:22] <indoorcat> i can't get this printer to work
[19:22] <indoorcat> samsung m2020
[19:22] <indoorcat> like i said i have the driver and installed
[19:23] <indoorcat> but cups is asking for a pph file and so is the printer setup
[19:23] <indoorcat> i can't find the driver in the database
[19:23] <indoorcat> please help
[19:23] <indoorcat> textbook nightmare
[19:23] <sarnold> pph or ppd?
[19:23] <indoorcat> deleted my windows dual boot by accident
[19:23] <indoorcat> ppd
[19:23] <indoorcat> ppd
[19:23] <lordcirth> indoorcat, please keep your sentences on fewer lines, if possible. Thanks
[19:23] <indoorcat> theres a ppd folder and it is locked but no ppd file in the folder
[19:25] <indoorcat> if anyone could help me it would be appreciated please, I am in new territory here and it is frustrating the heck out of me, my dual boot is gone and I just want my printer to work
[19:26] <Guest97113> sarnold: nvidia-persistenced.service, nevertheless disabeling hasn't changed anything.
[19:26] <sarnold> Guest97113: they still load on reboot?
[19:27] <sarnold> indoorcat: so, where are you stuck? you said you downloaded a driver, didn't it include a ppd?
[19:29] <indoorcat> sarnold, not to my knowledge, I did a hard drive search and only found a locked ppd folder
[19:29] <akk> indoorcat: What do you mean by "locked"?
[19:30] <akk> When I google samsung m2020 linux I see lots of hits, and it looks like people are generally getting it working.
[19:31] <akk> (But CUPS configuration is nondeterministic so who knows what it'll do on any given system and time?)
[19:31] <indoorcat> one sec
[19:34] <indoorcat> the folder has a lock on it, I can open it
[19:34] <indoorcat> ubuntu 19.04
[19:34] <indoorcat> there's nothing in it
[19:35] <indoorcat> sorry for typing short sentences, but it is the folder of the extracted driver
[19:35] <EriC^> indoorcat: type "ls -ld /path/to/dir"
[19:36] <indoorcat> nothing happends
[19:37] <indoorcat> gives an error
[19:37] <indoorcat> please help
[19:38] <akk> "gives an error" is not very specific (and is also not "nothing")
[19:38] <indoorcat> s: cannot access '/path/to/dir': No such file or directory
[19:38] <Guest97113> sarnold: unfortunatelly.
[19:38] <indoorcat> ls: cannot access '/path/to/dir': No such file or directory
[19:40] <akk> indoorcat: EriC^ meant the path to where you extracted the driver, not actually typing "/path/to/dir"
[19:41]  * IaMnEwHeRe *holds tummy and laughs and cries from pain*
[19:41] <indoorcat> I am sorry I have medication I take for mental illness I feel everyone is playing a joke on me or persecuting me, I know this is a simple task but unfortunatly I am stuck, I downloaded and installed the instal.sh file
[19:41] <indoorcat> ok
[19:41] <IaMnEwHeRe> indoorcat, just an FYI, no one cares about your medication, makes you sound like a troll
[19:42] <IaMnEwHeRe> if you are at that level, why do you use linux in the first place? stick with WIN
[19:43] <akk> Configuring printers in Linux is no job for a newbie, unfortunately.
[19:44] <IaMnEwHeRe> yes, and I cannot remember the last time I have configured or let alone used one :D
[19:46] <indoorcat> dr-xr-xr-x 2 indoorcat indoorcat 4096 Oct 30 21:55 .
[19:47] <indoorcat> I want to go to lambda bootcamp, i'm sick of living off disability
[19:47] <indoorcat> i can learn
[19:48] <akk> IaMnEwHeRe: I added two printers a couple weeks ago, took several tries each, then when I went to print to one of them day before yesterday, it had disappeared and I had to start all over again. :(
[19:48] <indoorcat> i did ls -ld in the ppd directory
[19:48] <indoorcat> does that help?
[19:49] <akk> and never did get it working right this time around, tried three permutation of name and driver and one of them printed 1-sided okay, but not 2-sided.
[19:49] <akk> Ran out of time and gave up.
[19:49] <IaMnEwHeRe> hmm luckily I am not devOps for DesktopMachines :D
[19:50] <indoorcat> can someone help? I did ls -ld in the ppd directory
[19:51] <indoorcat> eric?
[19:55] <indoorcat> EriC^: you there?
[19:57] <vlt> indoorcat: Can you summarize what you did so far? What did you download and how? What exactly did you do after? ...
[20:06] <sarnold> indoorcat: you just have to see things from the other side of the screen once in a while.. we don't know what you've done, what errors you've got, etc. this may help http://rurounijones.github.io/blog/2009/03/17/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
[20:07]  * IaMnEwHeRe thinks there is a troll afot
[20:16] <timvisher> I have 2 for the most part identical Ubuntu 16.04 servers. On one I can install the nginx repositories and install `apt-get -qq 'nginx=1.10.2-1~xenial'` fine following the instructions here (https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/tutorials/install/). On the other I get the error `E: There were unauthenticated packages and -y was used without --allow-unauthenticated`. Does anyone have any tips about what to look at while
[20:16] <timvisher> debugging that?
[20:18] <leftyfb> timvisher: from what I can tell, only 1.10.3 is available in 16.04
[20:20] <renn0xtk9> I don't manage to get any udev rules to work . This one for instance https://pastebin.com/JEpmEdBz is aimed to writing a date in to a file when mu keyboard is plugged but does not work
[20:20] <renn0xtk9> what am I doing wrong
[20:22] <timvisher> leftyfb: Interesting. On both boxes it looks available to me. https://gist.github.com/timvisher/1b9dc5613268b2870ce994f56af00bbf
[20:23] <leftyfb> timvisher: sorry, but we cannot support 3rd party repositories here (nginx.org)
[20:23] <leftyfb> timvisher: I would recommend removing those repos and installing 1.10.3 from the official Ubuntu repo
[20:24] <indoorcat> IaMnEwHeRe i'm not a troll, stop being an ass
[20:24] <indoorcat> i need my printer working
[20:24] <timvisher> leftyfb: Got it. Thank you. :)
[20:26] <ioria> renn0xtk9,    try   ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", SYSFS{idVendor}=="045e", SYSFS{idProduct}=="074b", RUN+="/bin/date >/home/max/test.txt"
[20:28] <renn0xtk9> ioria: hmm still did not work
[20:29]  * IaMnEwHeRe puts on a hat
[20:31] <indoorcat> where would the ppd being after installing the driver?
[20:31] <indoorcat> can somone help?
[20:35] <ioria> renn0xtk9, let's try a generic one :    SUBSYSTEM=="input", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb"  ,  ACTION=="add",  RUN+="/bin/date >/home/max/test.txt"
[20:37] <renn0xtk9> ioria: still nothing
[20:38] <indoorcat> https://ibb.co/XWZfGw5 there is my locked ppd folder with 0 items in the folder, please help
[20:39] <indoorcat> need printer to work please
[20:39] <indoorcat> can someone help?
[20:40] <indoorcat> the channel is pathetic
[20:40] <indoorcat> nobody helps
[20:41] <leftyfb> !patience | indoorcat
[20:42] <ioria> renn0xtk9,    can you try to put the cmd in a script and call it from the udev rule ?
[20:42] <leftyfb> indoorcat: this channel is run by volunteers doing this on their free time.
[20:51] <oerheks> no clue what samsung driver/guide you follow, indoorcat
[20:51] <oerheks> the latest is on https://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/index.html
[20:53] <ph88> my scanner manufacturer doesn't seem to offer driver downloads for linux. Is there any way i can make my scanner work under linux anyway ? https://plustek.com/in/products/flatbed-scanners/opticpro-a320/
[20:54] <doug16k> indoorcat, have you tried sudo ls ppd from that directory in terminal?
[20:55] <IaMnEwHeRe> ph88, no experience with scanners, BUT, you could try starting a VM and forward the USB-port to have the VM interface with it
[20:55] <doug16k> indoorcat, "locked" usually means you don't have permission, probably created by another user like root
[20:55] <IaMnEwHeRe> inside the VM you will have to run windows, but it is rather complicated approach to get a scan
[20:56] <doug16k> indoorcat, do you want to remove the lock on it?
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: Some scanners do not require drivers, typically scanner marked as TWAIN compatible will work with the SANE libraries without much trouble. Check out this link for more information and help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo
[20:57] <ph88> thx
[20:58] <likemindead> Anyone using F2FS as their file system with 19.10?
[20:58] <likemindead> I've just got my first SSD & thinking about going with F2FS.
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> likemindead: For suggestions and polls, please ask your question in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:59] <tomreyn> ph88: this scanner is "TWAIN Compliant" according to its specifications (on the page you linked to)
[20:59] <IaMnEwHeRe> pragmaticenigma, didn't know the SANE stuff thx
[21:01] <pragmaticenigma> dang likemindead left already... was going to mention that ubuntu doesn't play nice with f2fs, selinux isn't compatible
[21:02] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: try #xubuntu
[21:02] <IaMnEwHeRe> why would you use a flash filesystem anyways? sounds like s.th. for mobile devices
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> IaMnEwHeRe: Flash memory is what is used in SSD drives, a flash filesystem is optimized to reduce wearing out the memory cells used to store data, and handles the file system journal more appropriately
[21:06] <IaMnEwHeRe> yes but I never had issues with that and I ran full-disc-encryption on a laptop that is now 5 years old and it serves a friend of mine rather well
[21:07] <IaMnEwHeRe> but maybe it becomes an issue when dealing with servers
[21:07] <IaMnEwHeRe> looks like I missed a development and will do some reading on that, thx
[21:08] <pragmaticenigma> IaMnEwHeRe: It's been resolved through other methods. TRIM helps a lot, and there are better approaches. f2fs looks to be about 6 years old and frequency of topics after Ubuntu 14.04 are almost nill
[21:08] <IaMnEwHeRe> yaey looks like I missed the right development
[21:09]  * IaMnEwHeRe relaxes in chair
[21:10] <dax> people keep asking about f2fs recently, i'm assuming some "zomg performance" blog brought it up or something
[21:11] <IaMnEwHeRe> how much performance do people need on their own machines? nothing is more performant than serving programms from ram-discs, *go discless* let's see when we see requests
[21:13] <webstrand> I've mounted a readonly filesystem on /var/www. Unfortunately, this blocks installation of packages that want to put files in that directory, such as nginx-common
[21:13] <webstrand> cp: cannot create regular file '/var/www/html/index.nginx-debian.html': Read-only file system
[21:13] <webstrand> Is there any way I can tell dpkg to ignore /var/www and never put anything there?
[21:14] <TJ-> webstrand: Sort of, if you know in advance what the target files will be, using dpkg-divert
[21:14] <dax> you're probably better off mounting under /var/www/somethingelse/ and having your httpd look there instead of /var/www/
[21:14] <webstrand> It's an application that I have no control over, it wants all of /var/www
[21:14] <dax> ah.
[21:18] <webstrand> dpkg-divert looks like it'll do what I need it to
[21:18] <TJ-> webstrand: best way would be to put an overlayfs in place to allow dpkg to succeed, then run a script over the overlay, e.g. "find topdir -type f | while read f; do dpkg-divert --divert /path/to/new/location/file --rename /path/to/original/location/file; done  "
[21:19] <webstrand> I'll have to check if the kernel has overlayfs, it's a container at the mercy of the host's kernel
[21:20] <TJ-> ahhh, containers would limit that in most cases
[21:22] <TJ-> webstrand: maybe some combination of dpkg --instdir=dir and/or --root=dir
[21:22] <webstrand> I'll take a look, thanks!
[21:23] <webstrand> The kernel doesn't have overlayfs or unionfs
[21:23] <TJ-> webstrand: effectively you'd install using --instdir=/tmp/newpkg/  then copy all but the files in /tmp/newpk/var/www/ into the real root file-system
[21:24] <TJ-> webstrand: and the icing would be to *then* run the "find /tmp/newpkg/ -type f .... dpkg-divert ... " script on what remains
[21:24] <IaMnEwHeRe> webstrand TJ- then why does firejail work?
[21:24] <IaMnEwHeRe> there I have access to a FS and can write to it read from it and some parts not modify it
[21:25] <webstrand> it could be using system call filtering?
[21:25] <webstrand> Which, in this scenario, would be like using a sledge to drive finishing nails
[21:26] <IaMnEwHeRe> nope it reads in the manpages "mount filesystem overlay on top of the current filesystem...
[21:26] <IaMnEwHeRe> OverlayFS support is required in LInux Kernel
[21:26] <IaMnEwHeRe> OverlayFS was officially introduced in Linux Kernel Version 3.18
[21:27] <IaMnEwHeRe> so what version of linux u running?
[21:28] <TJ-> firejail is SUID and requires access to core kernel seccomp/bpf/cgroup/namespace facilities
[21:29] <IaMnEwHeRe> yes, so, there is an application he has no controle over using /var/www, to me it looks like a valid case for a sandbox/container
[21:29] <IaMnEwHeRe> or maybe I am missing s.th. I dunno anyways gotta go hope you get your problems sorted
[22:02] <parrotlover> hey, is there a way to build ubuntu from source?
[22:03] <parrotlover> I don't want to use Gentoo because it's a rolling release distro
[22:04] <parrotlover> I want to build it for gen 9 xeon so it's super fast
[22:05] <oerheks> you can, but will find not much gain against prebuild packages
[22:05] <oerheks> !build
[22:05] <parrotlover> oerheks, AVX512 which is only in xeon's, adds about 12% performance
[22:06] <sarnold> oh man that sounds cool
[22:07] <sarnold> I've wondered before what it would look like to do an ubuntu rebuild aimed at newer processors
[22:07] <TJ-> parrotlover: for applications that can take advantage of the extension, and wider registers
[22:07] <oerheks> cosmic and higher? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libmkl-avx512
[22:08] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/disco/intel-mkl
[22:09] <parrotlover> I am going to have custom ubuntu with native optimizations, the question really is do I need to apt-get source/apt-get build-dep every package I need or can I automate it
[22:11] <sarnold> parrotlover: we've certainly got tooling in place to do large transitions by rebuilding the whoile archive with eg new toolchain or toolchain options, with output like https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20190614-eoan.html
[22:11] <sarnold> parrotlover: but those all are built around our build services
[22:11] <parrotlover> oh, cool
[22:12] <sarnold> parrotlover: I'm not sure if this tooling is published anywhere, but even if it were, standing up enough buildfarm/launchpad to make it work would probably be quite an undertaking. a bit of scripting around sbuild / schroot / to rebuild eg gcc and then glibc and then go from there would probably be faster to do by hand..
[22:12] <gbellinoz> has anybody successfully used CUPS from a client machine *without* cupsd running? SO answer claims that you can just set up /etc/cups/client.conf (tomreyn this is towards setting CUPS up "properly" so I can upgrade it without fear, yesterday's convo).
[22:16] <TJ-> parrotlover: you realise that when you enable using AVX512 heavily, the CPU looses the ability to do much turbo-boost of the clocks and can end up being much slower overall?
[22:17] <parrotlover> yes, but the turbo boost on this cpu is only 500mhz
[22:17] <sarnold> is that a problem in the clear linux community?
[22:18] <parrotlover> I just need AVX512 for 512bit floating points
[22:19] <parrotlover> right now I use them in software which is way slower than losing turbo
[22:20] <parrotlover> most of my performance bottlenecking is CUDA
[22:21] <sarnold> parrotlover: hmm.. if you're doing floating point ops in those things, would you even want eg glibc to use those same registers for memcpy and memcmp and the like? if every process is stomping on them, would your floating point ops benefit or suffer?
[22:23] <parrotlover> sarnold, well right now it takes over 500 clock cycles to do one operation on 512 bit float
[22:24] <parrotlover> so i think it will be of benefit
[22:26] <sarnold> parrotlover: hmm... did you compile *your* code with avx-512 support?
[22:27] <parrotlover> sarnold, I don't have this set up yet
[22:28] <parrotlover> I also don't have the hardware yet, because at this level of system you can't just buy the parts from newegg or amazon
[22:28] <parrotlover> actually... I'm going to compare gentoo to ubuntu on my old supercomputer
[22:50] <Jawsh> Ok im getting frustrated
[22:50] <Jawsh> who has experience with Hetzner
[22:53] <disi> does  a module on PYTHONPATH take precedence over one in site-packages?
[22:53] <disi> ugh, wrong chan sry
[22:54] <oerheks> Jawsh, in #hetzner maybe?
[23:02] <aleksandrdvorkin> hi can someone tell me why cannt i pair my wirless bluetooth headphone the Blootooth in settings says Plugn in a dongle to use Bluetooth my wireless headphones didnt come with dongle
[23:03] <aleksandrdvorkin> its a Macbook 2017 running virtualbox Ubuntu19-10 and it has bluetooth spe headphones paird in MacOS
[23:03] <sarnold> are you sure your computer has bluetooth?
[23:03] <aleksandrdvorkin> yes
[23:03] <aleksandrdvorkin> they paired and connected on the same Macbook on its native OS
[23:04] <jeremy31> aleksandrdvorkin: post URL from terminal for   (lsusb && dmesg | grep -i 'blue|firm') | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:04] <sarnold> so... you want to pair the headphones in an ubuntu guest but an os x host is already using the controller?
[23:04] <aleksandrdvorkin> i can unpair them in MacOS
[23:05] <aleksandrdvorkin> it that will help
[23:05] <jeremy31> aleksandrdvorkin: If you have Broadcom wifi, the bluetooth likely needs firmware
[23:06] <aleksandrdvorkin> jeremy31 i am not sure which wifi i have
[23:06] <aleksandrdvorkin> how can i check
[23:06] <jeremy31> aleksandrdvorkin: post URL from terminal for   (lsusb && dmesg | grep -i 'blue|firm') | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:07] <sarnold> aleksandrdvorkin: you'll probably need to find some way to do a hardware passthrough of your device in virtualbox so that linux can manage it entirely; this may or may not be possible, it might be worth talking with virtualbox support folks about it
[23:09] <aleksandrdvorkin> jeremy31 ok
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: The issue is not ubuntu, but the VM manager that you are using. Make sure you read the documentation and find out how to set up your host OS (MacOS) to playback the sound generated from the VM.
[23:11] <Strontium> My laptop has been running an encrypted ZFS root drive on Ubuntu for years.  Yesterday I upgraded from 18.10 to 19.04 without any major issues and was able to reboot and use the system fine.  I then immediately upgraded again to 19.10 and now i get errors with grub complaining it can't 'get canonical path of' my root pool.
[23:12] <Strontium> Which caused the kernel, grub and freindly-recovery to fail to install properly.
[23:13] <Strontium> My fear now is, if i reboot this system it will be dead.  So what changed between 19.04 and 19.10?  What do i do to allow grub to probe my root pool properly?  My pool is on an encrypted LUKS volume.
[23:13] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: You will not see the bluetooth headphones listed in Ubuntu, that requires a whole extra level of complexity. Make sure that Ubuntu has a sound device, you can check through the control panel under the sound settings icon
[23:15] <pragmaticenigma> aleksandrdvorkin: The sound device will depend on the VM software and its ability to tell Ubuntu it has sound capability. For help with the sound settings of the VM you will need to contact the support channels for the VM software you are using.
[23:16] <aleksandrdvorkin> jeremy31 here you go
[23:16] <Strontium> Ouch, it looks like the Upgrade just removed zfs from my install.  Gee thats freaking hostile.  I just tried to run zpool and nope, its not there.  It was there before the upgrade.
[23:16] <jeremy31> aleksandrdvorkin: post termbin URL
[23:17] <aleksandrdvorkin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tzWd
[23:17] <aleksandrdvorkin> sorry
[23:17] <aleksandrdvorkin> thats worng
[23:18] <aleksandrdvorkin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tzWdjxtjmG
[23:18] <jeremy31> aleksandrdvorkin:  you might have to enable USB passthrough if you are using Ubuntu in a VM
[23:19] <aleksandrdvorkin> jeremy31 how
[23:20] <FurretUber> Is there a recommended procedure for an (X/L/etc)Ubuntu 18.04 desktop install that uses less than 3 GB of storage space?
[23:20] <sarnold> Strontium: ugh :( can you file a bug report on do-release-upgrade?
[23:21] <Strontium> sarnold: sure can, my immediate concern however, is getting back to a bootable state.
[23:22] <sarnold> Strontium: is the machine running? pool mounted?
[23:22] <sarnold> hmm.. new kernel or old kernel?
[23:23] <Strontium> sarnold: Linux version 5.0.0-32-generic
[23:23] <Strontium> its the kernel from 19.04 now, because I haven't rebooted since doing do-release-upgrade
[23:23] <sarnold> Strontium: good choice
[23:24] <sarnold> Strontium: is zfs in lsmod output?
[23:24] <Strontium> i just did sudo apt install zfsutils-linux zfs-initramfs zfs-zed and that got me the zpool command back.  Grub no longer complains, the only complaint I get now is from cryptsetup making the initramfs
[23:25] <Strontium> sarnold: yes zfs is in lsmod
[23:25] <sarnold> Strontium: ah nice then you're way ahead of me :)
[23:26] <aleksandrdvorkin> well audio works fine with wired headphones
[23:27] <Strontium> sarnold: I have seen cryptsetup complaints before, because my drives are LUKS encrypted.  Ubuntu changed something in 18.10 that caused that situation to lead to no LUKS support in the initramfs.
[23:27] <jeremy31> aleksandrdvorkin: I don't use VM's at all,  but I have read about allowing a guest OS to have control of USB devices
[23:28] <Strontium> so i just need to confirm the initramfs has luks support in it, and I "should" be ok.
[23:28] <sarnold> Strontium: hmm. I see *warnings* from .. cryptsetup? something similar, every time initrds are rebuild.. and rlaager's guide says to ignore those warnings..
[23:28] <TJ-> Strontium: is /boot/ in the LUKS container? if so, is it using LUKS v2 or v1 ?
[23:28] <sarnold> Strontium: (I'm still on disco, not eoan)
[23:29] <Strontium> sarnold: TJ-: My /boot is unencrypted ext4
[23:29] <Vashy> hi all, is there an easy way to downgrade a version for an application installed through apt? I have brave-browser installed at the newest version but it's crashing constantly - I want to see if it was the version update that's causing it by downgrading
[23:29] <TJ-> Strontium: what is the error cryptsetup reports?
[23:30] <sarnold> Vashy: apt policy should show you the versions available, and apt install packanem=specific-version-number should do the job
[23:30] <Strontium> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.3.0-19-generic
[23:30] <Strontium> cryptsetup: ERROR: Couldn't resolve device ge40-ssd-pool/ROOT/ubuntu
[23:30] <Strontium> cryptsetup: WARNING: Couldn't determine root device
[23:31] <TJ-> Strontium: ahhh, that narrows it down
[23:31] <Vashy> sarnold, what's the command to find available versions? I tried `apt search brave-browser` but it just shows the newest version
[23:31] <Strontium> It seems like its a warning I can ignore, and it also isn't updating my current kernels initramfs, so in theory I should be able to fall back to 5.0 if it fails to boot.
[23:31] <Vashy> the -a flag it seems
[23:32] <sarnold> Vashy: apt policy brave-browser perhaps?>
[23:33] <TJ-> Strontium: the error will originate from /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot --- reviewing that shell script might and matching the error texts might help you pinpoint the issue (and find/report a bug)
[23:33] <sarnold> Strontium: "WARNING: Couldn't determine root device"  is probably expected; the other looks very troubling
[23:33] <Vashy> cool that worked sarnold thanks for the help!
[23:34] <sarnold> Vashy: nice
[23:37] <Strontium> sarnold: I agree it looks troubling, LUKS and ZFS works well together, but the supporting tools get confused.
[23:42] <indoorcat> what program do you use in ubuntu to make bootable usb sticks? none of mine are being read by my computer, like if I hook up my external disk drive and hit f12 while booting I have the option to boot from the disk drive or the usb or whatever, the one i made using window with rufus , for usb, it worked but none of mine are being read
[23:42] <indoorcat> is there a program to make bootable usb drives in ubuntu?
[23:43] <sarnold> I always use dd, but then I'm always writing iso images that were intended to work on usb sticks to them
[23:43] <parrotlover> indoorcat, unetbootin, and you can even use it (ubuntu only feature) to make filesystem changes persistant by giving it a partition for file changes and additions
[23:43] <parrotlover> unetbootin is the tits
[23:47] <oerheks> unebootin is not our best suggestion, rufus, or mkusb, depends on what os you prepare the usb
[23:48] <Strontium> sarnold: ok, i just ls'd the contents of the 5.0 and 5.3 initramfs.  They both have my crypttab in them, and cryptsetup, etc.  So it appears the warning and error are just scary noise.  The only way to know for sure is try and reboot.
[23:49] <Strontium> Which i will do now.
[23:49] <Strontium> Assuming that works, i will come back and then file that bug report about do-release-upgrade
[23:52] <sarnold> man he's been gone for a while :(
[23:52] <tme520> Hi folks
[23:52] <sarnold> Strontium: woo, I was getting worried
[23:53] <sarnold> how'd it go?
[23:53] <sarnold> hi tme520
[23:53] <Strontium> sarnold: no problem.  Much faster reboot too it seems.
[23:53] <sarnold> YES
[23:53] <Strontium> Just a scarry warning.  The issue was the do-release-upgrade uninstalled my zfs user land for some reason.
[23:54] <Strontium> apt installing it after the do-release-upgrade and before a reboot fixed it
[23:54] <Strontium> will file a bug report now, just in case someone else gets the same issue down the road.
[23:54] <sarnold> thank you thank you :)
[23:54] <Strontium> sarnold: thanks for the help.
[23:55] <sarnold> Strontium: heh, you were way ahead of me, hehe
[23:55] <sarnold> it was all you..
[23:55] <Strontium> sarnold: maybe, but having someone to talk it through with is very very helpful.
[23:56] <sarnold> so true
[23:57] <sarnold> if apt would have installed a userland that couldn't talk to the kernel implementation through /dev/zfs whatever the interface is... that would have been a real annoyance to deal with..
[23:57] <sarnold> the 0.7.x vs 0.8.x different had me worried
[23:58] <Strontium> sarnold: yes, that would have.  At that point though I would have made a bootable USB and done it with a chroot.
[23:58] <Strontium> I have had to do that dance before.
[23:58] <sarnold> ooh
[23:58] <sarnold> oof rather
[23:58] <sarnold> I sure hope the zfs in root in the installer means these kinds of things will eventually be much less pressing
[23:58] <sarnold> or surprising
[23:58] <sarnold> I can't english any more ;)
[23:59] <Strontium> ZFS is awesome, i have used it for years now.  Its great that its getting official love in ubuntu now.
[23:59] <Strontium> sarnold: yes me too.  I just need to remeber to do snapshots before upgrading :)
[23:59] <sarnold> I've used it for data for a few years, but zfs on root is really new for me