[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #206270 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (main) "Please sync xserver-xorg-video-amd <IP_ADDRESS>-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206270
[00:16] <Q-FUNK> added manually
[00:17] <Q-FUNK> bryce: thanks for the thumbs up.  btw, if all goes well, we'd actually have -geode out by the end of this week.  when that happens, I'll upload it and include transitional packages for those who upgrade from -amd.
[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #205927 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (main) "nvidia-glx doesn't work with RT kernel (dup-of: 197130)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205927
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #205883 in compiz (main) "compiz slow after upgrade x60 hardy (dup-of: 177492)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205883
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #205905 in compiz (main) "3D application display refresh incorrect when 3D desktop enabled (dup-of: 96991)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205905
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #206337 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Using fglrx causes excessive hardware interrupts and an extremely slow system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206337
[05:47] <tjaalton> morning
[05:47] <tjaalton> bryce: I'll upload them today
[05:47] <bryce> heya tjaalton
[05:47] <bryce> cool thanks.
[05:47] <tjaalton> ~two week vacation over :/
[05:47] <tjaalton> back to business :)
[05:48] <bryce> hope you had fun!
[05:49] <tjaalton> yeah, it was ok
[05:50] <bryce> tjaalton: btw I did up a new script for us - http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/status_current.html
[05:50] <tjaalton> dismantled the cruise control box from the car yesterday, need to replace some capacitors because it doesn't work right
[05:50] <bryce> it displays a high level summary of various bug lists folks have done
[05:51] <tjaalton> ah that one, yeah looks good
[05:51] <bryce> wow, I'm all thumbs when it comes to cars.  If it ain't made out of wood or computer parts I'm useless
[05:51] <tjaalton> hehe
[05:52] <tjaalton> if I have the time I'll build an enclosure for the subwoower out of fiberglass & MDF, but it's too cold now :)
[05:55] <tjaalton> bbl ->
[08:17] <soren> I notice you put the vmmouse stuff in xorg.conf. Thanks for that.
[08:17] <soren> However... :)
[08:17] <soren> The inputdevice you define is not in the default serverlayout, so it's not being used at all anyway.
[08:21] <tjaalton> duh
[08:21] <tjaalton> I thought I tested that
[08:22] <tjaalton> so the autodetection code is buggy
[08:22] <tjaalton> since it doesn't honor the choices in the xorg.conf
[08:22] <tjaalton> keyboard is fine
[08:36] <tjaalton> bryce: 915resolution is obsolete..
[08:36] <bryce> tjaalton: is it not still required for i810?
[08:36] <tjaalton> well, for those who insist on using -i810 :)
[08:37] <bryce> so...
[08:37] <tjaalton> drop the conflict
[08:38] <bryce> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12852302/xrandr-gui-472-387.png
[08:46] <tjaalton> is there something new I should notice?-)
[08:47] <bryce> oh we're down to the fiddling details.  I shrunk it from 540x437 to 472x387 (bugs 203897, 204447).  Nothing exciting.
[08:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203897 in control-center "monitor resolution panel won't fit on 640x480 screen" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203897
[08:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204447 in gnome-control-center "Display capplet's border is too big" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204447
[08:48] <tjaalton> oh right
[08:48] <bryce> also it's brown
[08:48] <tjaalton> heh
[08:49] <tjaalton> does the color change depending on the theme?
[08:49] <bryce> no, but that would be sweet
[08:49] <bryce> I'd need some api for determining color schemes or something though.
[08:49] <tjaalton> soren: adding InputDevice to the ServerLayout shouldn't break anything, so I'll add that
[08:49] <bryce> easy to hack in if I have a way of programmatically getting a preferred color
[08:49]  * soren hugs tjaalton
[08:50] <soren> tjaalton: Thanks muchly.
[08:50] <bryce> but the default gray/blue just looked too generic for Ubuntu
[08:50] <bryce> heya soren
[08:51] <soren> Hey bryce.
[08:52] <tjaalton> bryce: ask kwwii/macslow, they ought to know
[08:52]  * bryce waves to seb128
[08:52] <bryce> tjaalton: ok good idea
[08:53] <seb128> hey bryce
[08:53] <bryce> seb128: $ apt-cache madison gnome-control-center
[08:53] <bryce> gnome-control-center | 1:2.22.0-0ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[08:53] <bryce> gnome-control-center | 1:2.22.0-0ubuntu2 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Sources
[08:54] <bryce> was there a build error with 0ubuntu2?
[08:54] <bryce> (re-building locally to doublecheck)
[08:56] <soren> bryce: Ask launchpad?
[08:56] <soren> bryce: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:2.22.0-0ubuntu2
[08:58] <bryce> huh, that patch applies cleanly locally, I wonder why it failed there
[09:01] <bryce> aha
[09:07] <Q-FUNK> sounds like a familiar bug.  I recall encountering a similar boo-boo when building one of my packages
[09:08] <bryce> it's just a path issue in the patch
[09:08] <Q-FUNK> ah
[09:09] <seb128> bryce: path issue? I though I gave it a build try, maybe I didn't
[09:09] <bryce> yeah I thought I did too.  no matter, I'll have an updated patch in a minute.
[09:10] <seb128> alright
[09:11] <seb128> what is weird is that you didn't get the build failure mails from launchpad
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #206417 in xorg (main) "Poor X.org performances in Hardy Beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206417
[09:15] <bryce> actually I might have.  I get a lot of bug mail and don't always read it right away.  I need better filters.
[09:16] <seb128> you might want to create a filter for launchpad build errors
[09:16] <seb128> you usually want to fix those ;-)
[09:18] <bryce> yeah, esp. once I get my upload powers tomorrow :-) :-)
[09:18] <seb128> ;-)
[09:20] <bryce> ok, seems to build locally for me.  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads/gnome-control-center_2.22.0-0ubuntu3_source.changes
[09:21] <bryce> that also includes some fairly trivial glade tweaks to fix two bugs you assigned me
[09:21] <bryce> I like cosmetic bugs soo much more than the daemon bugs ;-)
[09:21] <seb128> bryce: I'll sponsor the upload
[09:21] <seb128> bryce: btw dunno if you followed the discussion but g-s-d seem to still be crashing when using xgl
[09:21] <seb128> not sure how much we care about xgl nowadays though
[09:21] <bryce> oh also, with that annoying xgl bug, the patch I sent you the other week included a check for xgl, that we're missing
[09:22] <seb128> ah, ok
[09:22] <seb128> is there something else which was waiting for sponsoring?
[09:22] <bryce> yeah, I posted a proof of concept that extracts the xgl portion of the patch you didn't like.  Please review it and see if it is more ok to you, and I'll do up a proper patch to gsd to include it.
[09:22] <bryce> let me check.
[09:24] <bryce> maybe this one?
[09:24] <bryce> gnome-desktop (1:2.22.0-0ubuntu3) hardy; urgency=low
[09:24] <bryce>   * debian/patches/103_gd-xrandr-xerror-check.patch:
[09:24] <bryce>     - Catch X error thrown and exit function gracefully (LP: #199960)
[09:24] <bryce>     - Don't try to apply store config to undefined screens (LP: #197645)
[09:24] <bryce>  -- Bryce Harrington<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:00:32 -0700
[09:25] <bryce> (it's also at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads/)
[09:25] <seb128> ah
[09:26] <seb128> I though I read about it on some bugs
[09:26] <bryce> maybe the fix you put in make those unnecessary.  Not really sure.
[09:26] <seb128> but the mail you sent me was listing only the g-c-c one
[09:26] <Q-FUNK> seb128: any opinion on an UVF for amd <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:27] <seb128> no clue about this one, bug fix versions are welcome
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #206055 in firefox (universe) "severe performance degration in Firefox 3 (dup-of: 177492)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206055
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #206431 in xserver-xorg-video-sis (main) "at higher resolution there is "vertical noise" on the screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206431
[09:40] <tjaalton> bryce: intel uploaded
[09:40] <bryce> tjaalton: awesome thanks.  I also just emailed mirco about the theme stuff for xrandr gui
[09:43] <tjaalton> cool
[09:45] <tjaalton> dexconf change pushed but not uploaded, in case there will be others
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #206440 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "emerging menus displaced when changed to two screens configuration wiht xrandr" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206440
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #204516 in moblin-applets "Network manager icon is blank on statusbar and it shows "Network manager is not running" when click the blank icon though internet connection is good (dup-of: 199486)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204516
[10:04] <seb128> bryce: your new g-c-c update has the same issue, the patch doesn't apply
[10:07] <seb128> hum, no
[10:07] <seb128> tried the wrong directory ;-)
[10:07] <bryce> ahh
[10:09] <seb128> g-c-c uploaded
[10:23] <bryce> thanks :-)
[10:25] <seb128> you are welcome, thank you for the fixes there ;-)
[10:25] <seb128> we should start working on a revert strategy for the xrandr capplet
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #206450 in xorg (main) "Cannot change graphics card driver in gui" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206450
[10:26] <seb128> I'm not comfortable shipping hardy with something which can break your installation that easily
[10:27] <seb128> did you contact the redhat guy about the issue?
[10:27] <bryce> yes
[10:27] <bryce> no response so far
[10:27] <tjaalton> bryce: got an email from AMD about a patch for vesa (from fedora..), should fix the rest of the mode problems
[10:33] <bryce> tjaalton: excellent
[10:55] <bryce> seb128: bug 197645 is the gsd patch.
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197645 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in rw_screen_list_outputs()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197645
[10:55]  * bryce --> bed.  night.
[10:57] <seb128> ok
[10:57] <seb128> 'night bryce
[10:58] <tjaalton> night
[11:08] <ubotu> New bug: #203386 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in _nv000828X()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203386
[11:08] <ubotu> New bug: #205281 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205281
[11:52] <ubotu> New bug: #206287 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Open GL Renders "Funny"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206287
[12:02] <Ng> tjaalton: who do you think we could/should push about 197929?
[12:04] <tjaalton> Ng: BenC
[12:05] <Ng> hmm, k
[12:06] <tjaalton> I'll ask him
[12:06] <Ng> aha, cool
[12:07] <Ng> I've mentioned it to kernel people a couple of times and while they were theoretically supporting, they were too busy to do it at the time
[12:07] <Ng> thanks :)
[12:38] <tjaalton> Ng: I guess it'll get reverted soon, mjg59 ack'ed it himself
[12:40] <Ng> I hope so
[12:40] <Ng> I'm more hopeful because ben just targetted the bug for hardy
[12:40] <Ng> I've seen mjg ack on this before ;)
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #152258 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (main) "nvidia driver doesn't work with linux-rt on gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152258
[13:26] <ubotu> New bug: #16842 in xorg (main) "xorg.conf is not configured correctly for a Compaq Presario 1800T laptop" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16842
[14:54] <ubotu> New bug: #201436 in xorg (main) "[hardy] Nautilus ignores clicks on icons after selecting an empty desktop area." [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201436
[15:19] <ubotu> New bug: #206566 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "after rotating by 180 nothing but background is shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206566
[15:30] <komputes> Hey bryce
[15:39] <komputes> X being able to auto configure is a good goal, but they should leave the old tools until it has been thoroughly tested here we are that I need to know which video drivers in use. Before I could just open xorg.conf (not the best indication of the driver in use). When I run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to get the user-interactive method to configure X, it skips over all the video questions. So if X makes the wrong c
[15:39] <komputes> hoice people now have to change the file manually which is not good and prone to errors. What I would like to know is if any of you have a command that will tell you what video driver(s) is in use. I have tried looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it only gives a hint of what the driver is, well it's not very efficient (or saleable), although it may be more reliable than looking at an old xorg.conf file. What would be a pr
[15:39] <komputes> ogrammatic method of polling the computer for a driver name in use?
[15:39] <komputes> X being able to auto configure is a good goal, but they should leave the old tools until it has been thoroughly tested here we are that I need to know which video drivers in use. Before I could just open xorg.conf (not the best indication of the driver in use). When I run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to get the user-interactive method to configure X, it skips over all the video questions. So if X makes the wrong c
[15:39] <komputes> hoice people now have to change the file manually which is not good and prone to errors. What I would like to know is if any of you have a command that will tell you what video driver(s) is in use. I have tried looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but it only gives a hint of what the driver is, well it's not very efficient (or saleable), although it may be more reliable than looking at an old xorg.conf file. What would be a pr
[15:39] <komputes> ogrammatic method of polling the computer for a driver name in use?
[15:39] <komputes> sorry, doublepaste
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #206649 in xorg (main) "ubuntu does not support xinput hotplug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206649
[18:49] <ubotu> New bug: #205987 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "X slowdowns in Hardy Beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205987
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #206587 in ubuntu "Title bar color streaks or dissapears (dup-of: 186382)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206587
[19:07] <ubotu> New bug: #202359 in firefox (universe) "[Firefox 3 b4] zoom -> black picture (dup-of: 182038)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202359
[19:17] <bryce> doko, it may also be worthwhile to doublecheck the compiz blacklist (sometimes they add to it)  bug #201330
[19:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201330 in compiz "Need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201330
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #206528 in xrandr "gnome-display-properties: no way to set which is the primary monitor" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206528
[20:18] <tjaalton> bryce: seems like there's no TB tonight :/
[20:19] <bryce> tjaalton: hrm bummer.
[20:19] <bryce> can't believe how long it's taking for this to get through :-P  Sorry about it
[20:20] <tjaalton> hehe, don't worry about it
[20:21] <tjaalton> I guess they need to regroup now that mjg59 is a RH employee..
[20:22] <bryce> he joined RH??  I hadn't heard that.  Whoa.
[20:22] <bryce> that sucks
[20:23] <tjaalton> yep, was mentioned on planet.fd.o
[20:24] <tjaalton> well, he's going to work full-time on power management and stuff
[20:24] <jcristau> he announced it on his blog
[20:24] <tjaalton> and that's upstream work, so it'll benefit us all in the end
[20:24] <bryce> yeah, still
[20:25] <tjaalton> jcristau: right, but for some reason that entry was not on p.u.c/p.d.o :)
[20:27] <bryce> wow, I didn't know about planet.fd.org.  Lotta interesting stuff there
[20:27] <tjaalton> btw, in order for the mouse-section from xorg.conf to work it needs to have CorePointer set, otherwise the same device is used twice
[20:27] <tjaalton> yeah, I follow that regularly
[20:28] <tjaalton> F9 switched to evdev, suckers :P
[20:29] <bryce> I see they're going to squeeze in xorg 1.5.
[20:29] <tjaalton> yep
[20:30] <bryce> tjaalton: did you know that travis blacklisted all laptops with -ati from running compiz?
[20:31] <bryce> (bug #197135)
[20:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197135 in compiz "need to blacklist xpress200m when using ati driver" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197135
[20:36] <tjaalton> I heard a rumour about it
[20:37] <tjaalton> too bad..
[20:37] <tjaalton> bbl->
[20:47] <bryce> tjaalton: yet another quirk - 197740
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #206802 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "fglrx doesn't detect external monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206802
[21:44] <tjaalton> bryce: thanks, I'll upload it tomorrow and include other patches/quirks if there are any
[21:47] <bryce> ok
[22:24] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, have you put some more thought into a planned solution for that 386/generic bug at all?
[22:27] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: I've read the policy bits and seems like the solution that pitti suggested should work
[22:41] <ubotu> New bug: #206845 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "X server freezes (except for mouse) with Compiz enabled on ATI Radeon Mobility 9000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206845
[22:44] <mario_limonciell> great :)
[22:53] <ubotu> New bug: #206820 in xorg (main) "whatever is writing xorg.conf isn't doing as good a job as 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206820


[01:11] <asac> further i have set my terminal to not update automatically
[01:11] <asac> so if i scroll up a bit i have all the time in the world
[01:11] <asac> to read whats there
[01:11] <asac> until i press a key
[01:11] <asac> or scroll to the very bottom
[01:11] <asac> then it will auto-scroll again
[01:12] <gnomefreak> i hated that because it would never resume scroll unless i hit return
[01:13] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/Screenshot-Editing%20Profile%20%22Default%22.png
[01:13] <asac> ah ok
[01:13] <asac> yeah ... but its essential
[01:13] <asac> if you want to see whats going on
[01:13] <asac> and hitting return is not much of an issue :)
[01:14] <asac> ok now it failed :)
[01:15] <asac> like for you
[01:15] <gnomefreak> good sort of
[01:15] <gnomefreak> i was hoping it wasnt me
[01:22] <asac> yes i talked with him yesterday
[01:22] <asac> about using git for iceweasel maintenance
[01:22] <asac> instead of svn
[01:23] <asac> so i guess this is the aftermath of that
[01:23] <asac> damn
[01:24] <asac> it doesnt fail anymore
[01:24] <asac> wtf
[01:24] <gnomefreak> wtf did you do
[01:25] <gnomefreak> most people get it to fail change something than it stops failing (im hoping you are one of these people)
[01:25] <asac> no ... its because i tried to track this down
[01:26] <asac> iu compiled a subdir manually which is apparently not tried by normal build
[01:26] <asac> and now i cannot get back to state where it fails
[01:27] <gnomefreak> re branch it :) it will fail
[01:30] <asac> sun of a bith
[01:30] <asac> i don't want to respin from beginning
[01:30] <asac> takes too much time
[01:30] <asac> son
[01:30] <asac> :)
[01:33] <gnomefreak> still cant get it to fail
[01:33] <asac> i cleaned more (bug not all) ... so lets see if it fails again
[01:33] <asac> building atm
[01:34] <gnomefreak> if it doesnt fail than there is something with that file no?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> s/there/it
[01:35] <gnomefreak> maybe your plugin is borked
[01:35] <gnomefreak> than again maybe its LP
[01:37] <gnomefreak> its FF :(
[01:37] <gnomefreak> wtf
[01:38] <gnomefreak> asac: are you having issues with firefox?
[01:38] <asac> he?
[01:38] <asac> no its definitly something with Makefile.in
[01:38] <gnomefreak> this cant be good iceape is failing to work as well
[01:39] <asac> probably in combination with wrong or untested configure option
[01:39] <gnomefreak> brb im gonna reboot
[01:51] <asac> Red_Herring: yt?
[02:12] <Red_Herring> wha?
[02:12] <Red_Herring> oh
[02:12] <Red_Herring> hey asac
[02:13] <Michele> asac, u still here?
[02:16] <buttons> asac, gnomefreak cant sign on he has no internet connection
[02:17] <buttons> asac, he said that he thinks its network manager
[02:23] <asac> hmm
[02:23] <asac> no idea :)
[02:24] <asac> maybe he should turn it off then
[02:24] <asac> Red_Herring: sorry got to go to bed now
[02:24] <buttons> he's trying to connect with his laptop now
[02:25] <Red_Herring> asac: heh its ok
[02:25] <Red_Herring> asac: highlight me next time you're free
[02:27] <asac> sure tomorrow Red_Herring
[02:34] <gnomefreak> immmmmmm back!
[02:34] <gnomefreak> damn router
[02:35] <asac> yeah
[02:35] <asac> welcome
[02:35] <gnomefreak> now i can go to bed :)
[02:35] <asac> but i have to go :)
[02:35] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:35] <asac> me
[02:35] <asac> too
[02:35] <asac> ;)
[02:35] <gnomefreak> did you figure it out?
[02:35] <asac> no ... it builds if I use dpkg-buildpackage ... but it fails if i use bzr bd
[02:35] <asac> wierd
[02:35] <asac> i now dropped --disable-canvas
[02:36] <asac> as it it appears to be enabled by default for sunbird
[02:36] <asac> and use system-cairo
[02:36] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:36] <asac> no idea
[02:36] <asac> if that helps
[02:36] <gnomefreak> ill play with it
[02:36] <asac> yeah ... i am spinning agin
[02:36] <asac> will probably wait to see if it fails again
[02:53] <gnomefreak> asac: stable-fsh is failing to patch mozilla/config/autoconf.mk.in here but i will get with you in morning about it good night
[02:57] <asac> he?
[02:57] <asac> that doesn't fail for me
[02:58] <asac> it has a line ... it will just not show up if i build from within target directory
[02:58] <asac> no way
[03:01] <asac> anyway ... night
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> DarkMageZ: i considered using WAP from my router
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> but network manager doesn't support WAP afaik
[04:58] <DarkMageZ> WPA*. well, then network manager is crapware.
[04:58] <DarkMageZ> or your card doeesn't support wpa so network manager isn't showing it
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> its an intel card, week old laptop
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> probably does
[06:07] <gnomefreak> debian bug 430099
[06:07] <ubotu> Debian bug 430099 in gnokii "gnokii - FTBFS: Makefile.global: No such file or directory" [Serious,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/430099
[08:11] <hjmf_> morning
[08:11] <hjmf_> today will be another busy day for me (but I'll try to get some free time for the evening)
[08:11] <hjmf_> cu
[10:03] <asac> hjmf_: cu
[10:04] <asac> ~
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> grr
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> packaging ftl
[10:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to bed. packaging can wait until tomorrow
[10:14] <Admiral_Chicago> especially packaging that doesn't like to listen to me
[10:16] <asac> night
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> night asac
[10:16] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, how nswrapperplugin looking for gutsy
[10:20] <asac> looks good ... problem is that flashplugin-nonfree for amd64 is still in limbo
[10:25] <Admiral_Chicago> ah yea
[10:25] <asac> i mean its ready ... but there is a crazy blacklist that we cannot fix on ubuntu side
[10:25] <asac> we have fix it at debian
[10:25] <asac> which will take ages
[11:43] <gnomefreak> morning
[11:46] <gnomefreak> istn flash for 64bit gnash or is there going to be a flash for 64?
[11:59] <asac> gnomefreak: there will be
[11:59] <asac> flashplugin-nonfree for 64
[12:00] <asac> in combination with nspluginwrapper
[12:00] <asac> actually there already is
[12:00] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[12:00] <asac> but its not build for us
[12:00] <asac> because its manually blocked
[12:01] <asac> i will wait another two days before kicking ass
[12:01] <gnomefreak> remind me to yell at you and than ask you what this guy wants when i wake up
 what does roger want done
[12:03] <gnomefreak> by the looks of it he wants packages released that wont be in new ubuntu version?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> asac: also with bug 65164 you attached changelog but what * is fixing the fat32 saving issue?
[12:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65164 in firefox "MASTER Firefox 2 can't save to fat32/ntfs partitions (e.g. usb memory stick) - results in empty file" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65164
[12:04] <asac> he?
[12:05] <asac> i don't understand
[12:05] <asac> i fixed that
[12:05] <asac> and pushed the patch upstream
[12:05] <gnomefreak> oh i see it now its under the obscure firefox.cfg entry
[12:06] <asac> huh?
[12:06] <asac> ah
[12:06] <gnomefreak>  debian/patches/bz270159-lp65164-empty-file-or-duplicate-extension-on-fat32-ntfs,
[12:06] <asac> yeah ... the changelog is pretty long for this upload
[12:06] <gnomefreak> it is
[12:06] <asac> i had it lying around a long time ... and had to cherry-pick the ubuntu2 release for tribe-2
[12:07] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: you should install ubufox
[12:07] <asac> manually for now
[12:07] <asac> it will be added to ubuntu-desktop
[12:07] <asac> sooner or later
[12:07] <gnomefreak> i have it installed not sure how to use it yet
[12:07] <asac> or did dist-upgrade just bring you that package automagically?
[12:07] <asac> gnomefreak: its nothing you can use atm
[12:07] <asac> it contains prefs only
[12:07] <gnomefreak> nope i installed from deb i built
[12:07] <asac> ah
[12:08] <asac> i will add menu entries for report a bug ... and get help online et al to it next
[12:08] <asac> so those patches can go as well
[12:12] <gnomefreak> oh did you hear from mike reguarding iceape-calendar? I saved rogers email to read later today to try and understand what he means and i have to ping persia :(
[12:12] <asac> he?
[12:12] <DarkMageZ> anyone on x64 got some spare cycles?
[12:12] <asac> ah rogers
[12:12] <asac> yes
[12:12] <asac> i have spare cycles, but not in my brain :)
[12:12] <asac> DarkMageZ: what do you want?
[12:13] <DarkMageZ> i was hoping you could build a package for me with your x64bitness :)
[12:13] <DarkMageZ> sec while i upload the source package to ftp
[12:16] <DarkMageZ> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/3644818/libvisual-plugins_0.4.0.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz http://mirror.randumb.net/darkmagez/libvisplugnew/libvisual-plugins_0.4.0.dfsg.1-1ubuntu2.diff.gz http://mirror.randumb.net/darkmagez/libvisplugnew/libvisual-plugins_0.4.0.dfsg.1-1ubuntu2.dsc
[12:31] <bluekuja> heya asac
[12:31] <bluekuja> :)
[12:31] <bluekuja> asac: I'm working on mail-notification right now
[12:32] <bluekuja> a FTBFS for EVOVERSION
[12:32] <bluekuja> in debian/rules
[12:32] <asac> he?
[12:32] <asac> i couldn't care less for evolution ;)
[12:32] <bluekuja> lol
[12:44] <asac> bluekuja: you made the html error again :9
[12:44] <asac> hey dude you should really learn to learn ;)
[12:44] <asac> :-P
[12:44] <bluekuja> lol
[12:44] <bluekuja> I dont know
[12:44] <bluekuja> why it does that
[12:44] <bluekuja> only sometimes
[12:44] <bluekuja> happens
[12:45] <bluekuja> now I'm tagging everything
[12:45] <bluekuja> with "patch"
[12:45] <bluekuja> I've deleted that attachment
[12:47] <asac> yeah
[12:47] <asac> probably good thing :)
[12:47] <asac> e.g. its ment to be that way ;)
[12:47] <bluekuja> yup
[12:47] <bluekuja> :)
[12:48] <bluekuja> didnt know everyone is able to delete attachments
[12:48] <bluekuja> that's nice
[12:48] <asac> but actually launchpad might wanna auto-assume this from the .debdiff extension
[12:48] <bluekuja> yea
[12:48] <asac> it probably does that right for .patch and .diff files
[12:48] <asac> can you try?
[12:48] <asac> and find a work around
[12:48] <asac> feel free to open a testbug against firefox
[12:48] <asac> but remember to close it ;)
[12:49] <bluekuja> :D
[12:49] <asac> bluekuja: maybe you use paradiso if it doesn't work?
[12:49] <bluekuja> yeah, I'll try after work
[12:49] <bluekuja> :/
[12:49] <asac> cool
[12:49] <bluekuja> :)
[12:49] <bluekuja> asac: regexxer?
[12:50] <asac> is debdiff attached?
[12:50] <asac> please assign ubuntu-universe-sponsors ... so people see that you rock :)
[12:50] <bluekuja> :D
[12:51] <bluekuja> later, I gonna recheck it
[12:51] <asac> if it stays unsponsored longer then say 1 day ... i will sponsor things for you
[12:51] <asac> bluekuja: ok
[12:51] <bluekuja> great!
[12:51] <bluekuja> :)
[12:51] <bluekuja> gonna build it again
[12:51] <bluekuja> and check stuff
[12:51] <bluekuja> then I delete bad debdiffs
[12:51] <bluekuja> (html(
[12:51] <bluekuja> *)
[12:51] <asac> look at debdiff and check if every change is actually needed, wanted, documented
[12:51] <bluekuja> yup
[12:51] <bluekuja> :)
[12:51] <asac> thats the single best way to check things
[12:52] <asac> and you learn reading diffs
[12:52] <asac> (which you already can, but one can always get more experienced :))
[12:52] <asac> so you can later edit diffs directly ... read 300k diffs and see whats going on and all that
[12:52] <bluekuja> :D
[12:53] <bluekuja> asac: leaving
[12:53] <bluekuja> for that damn work
[12:53] <bluekuja> :/
[12:54] <asac> yeah
[12:54] <asac> i know ;)
[12:54] <bluekuja> :)
[12:54] <asac> i will take lunch soon
[12:54] <bluekuja> lucky you
[12:54] <bluekuja> ;)
[12:54] <bluekuja> cya later!
[12:54] <asac> cya
[01:52] <asac> lunchy munchy NOW
[02:33] <asac> re
[03:26] <gnomefreak> asac: you care if i reject googletoolbar issues
[03:34] <asac> as long as they are issues with upstream binary tarball as well ... i don't really care
[03:37] <gnomefreak> :( have you looked at some of these stupid ass bugs?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> bug 121141
[03:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121141 in firefox "pci bugs bios 81 49945000" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121141
[03:41] <asac> gnomefreak: rejected
[03:41] <gnomefreak> ok
[03:42] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:02] <asac> welcome persia
[04:02] <asac> :)
[04:02] <persia> asac: Hi.
[04:02] <persia> I'm reached what I think is an unreproiducible state with firefox <IP_ADDRESS>+2-0ubuntu3, and wondered if anyone had time to help me figure out the issue.
[04:03] <asac> most things are unreproducible :)
[04:03] <asac> in firefox
[04:03] <asac> anyway ... go ahead
[04:03] <persia> Specifically, I have a crashed session, and each time I start, I am asked to restore the session, only it doesn't.  I can create a new session, but I expect it would then just work.
[04:03] <asac> what happens if you want to restore session?
[04:04] <persia> asac: I get a blank firefox window.
[04:04] <gnomefreak> its loading the page that caused the crash?
[04:04] <gnomefreak> !info firefox feisty
[04:04] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9012 kB, installed size 28592 kB
[04:04] <persia> gnomefreak: Perhaps, but I most of my pages are LP or wiki, so it's nothing new and odd.
[04:05] <asac> persia: point is if you got the blank page once ... next time the saved session should be just the blank page
[04:05] <asac> so you probably have lost the crashed state
[04:06] <persia> asac: That would make sense, but when I close the browser (it's set to autosave the session), it closes apparently cleanly, but doesn't overwrite the session javascript, and I get the same warning when I next start the browser.
[04:06] <persia> asac: Nope, I can reproduce right now, but I can't browse (which doesn't work for me).  If I fix my problem, I can't report a bug.  That's why I'm here :)
[04:07] <asac> oh ... please backup your .mozilla directory
[04:07] <asac> so it stays somehow reproducible
[04:08] <persia> asac: At least for now.  I'm not sure how much that's my .mozilla directory, and how much is my system state.
[04:10] <asac> did you receive an upgrade recently?
[04:10] <asac> e.g. firefox upgrade today?
[04:10] <persia> asac: Yes.
[04:11] <gnomefreak> hes using ubuntu3
[04:11] <asac> ok if you close the browser ... is there still a firefox-bin running?
[04:11] <persia> gnomefreak: No - I try to track publisher runs :)
[04:11] <gnomefreak> ah :)
[04:12] <persia> asac: No firefox-bin in ps augx
[04:12] <asac> have you backed up your .mozilla directory?
[04:12] <persia> asac: Yep.
[04:12] <asac> good ... can you try if downgrading helps?
[04:13] <persia> asac: to ubuntu2?
[04:13] <gnomefreak> trackball is a mouse right?
[04:13] <asac> persia: yes
[04:13] <persia> gnomefreak: It can also be a joystick, depending on the hardware device mapping.
[04:13] <asac> persia: ubuntu3 was a little bit intrusive
[04:16] <persia> downgrading to ubuntu2 restored my session.  Do you already know what it was, or can I help find it by reupgrading to ubuntu3?
[04:17] <asac> i need to find
[04:17] <asac> thats really wierd
[04:17] <asac> but if you try a new session it works?
[04:17] <persia> asac: I haven't tried that yet.  I'll upgrade and start a new session and let you know in a bit.
[04:18] <asac> yeah ... if .mozilla is backed-up its definitly worth a try
[04:18] <asac> persia: please try once if after upgrade you have still same behaviour
[04:19] <persia> OK.
[04:20] <persia> My procedure is 1) killall firefox-bin, 2) rm -r .mozilla, 3) tar xzf mozilladir.tgz 4) upgrade, 5) firefox
[04:20] <asac> gnomefreak: are there already other bugs coming in for latest ffox upgrade?
[04:20] <gnomefreak> not that i have found yet
[04:20] <asac> persia: yeah ... that should bring you back to reproducible state (hopefully)
[04:20] <gnomefreak> i only have a handfull or 2 handfulls left
[04:20] <asac> from today?
[04:21] <persia> OK.  I can reproduce it (but I can't share my session).  Trying a new session now...
[04:21] <gnomefreak> i dont know when they are from but they are all the unconfimred/new ones
[04:22] <gnomefreak> i need to restart firefox
[04:24] <persia> No, even with a new session, it still breaks (or rather, fails to restore session).  Interestingly enough, I stll have my old sessionstore.js
[04:28] <persia> If I remove .mozilla, and start ubuntu3, to generate a new .mozilla, session state management appears to work.
[04:31] <persia> Just as a note, there's heaps of ***MEMORY-WARNING***s in the console output - supposedly because of g_thread_init()
[04:31] <asac> hmm
[04:31] <asac> whats in sessionstore.js?
[04:31] <persia> asac: The old one, or the new one?
[04:31] <asac> the old one?
[04:31] <asac> maybe compare with new one (if they are somehow similar)
[04:32] <persia> asac: About 100 pages in 6 windows, with history in the old one.  The new one is four pages in two windows (3/1).
[04:32] <asac> if you just remove sessoinstore.jsin old profile does it work again?
[04:33] <asac> btw, can you open javascript console when you have the blank window? or is all chrome gone?
[04:35] <persia> That's odd.  If I restore my .mozilla, delete sessionstore.js, and open a new instance, it looks clean.  If I generate a session, and force-crash with killall firefox-bin, it doesn't detect the crash on restart.
[04:36] <persia> asac: No, there's chrome.  It's just a normal, functional browser window with no page loaded.
[04:36] <asac> ok ... please open javascript console and see if there are errors
[04:36] <persia> On the other hand, I need guidance to open the javascript console
[04:36] <asac> Tools -> Error Console?
[04:36] <persia> asac: Thanks,.
[04:36] <asac> then you might want to press All
[04:37] <asac> in toolbar of that console
[04:37] <asac> to see all output
[04:37] <asac> is there anything?
[04:37] <persia> error output is http://pastebin.ca/601436
[04:38] <asac> persia: can you click on the link and show me the code?
[04:38] <asac> e.g. there should be a link in that error?
[04:39] <persia> asac: I'm not seeing any link, and clicking randomly on the error doesn't get me anywhere.
[04:39] <asac> ok
[04:39] <asac> let me look then
[04:42] <asac> persia: iteresting ... its no code for me at that line
[04:42] <persia> asac: Should I be looking for something locally?  Is that .mozilla/browser/content/browser.js?
[04:43] <asac> actually you usually should have a link in that error message ... but then ... lets see i will tell you where to look
[04:44] <asac> persia: (gutsy)asac@hector:/usr/lib/firefox/chrome$ unzip -l /usr/lib/firefox/chrome/browser.jar  | grep browser.js 237921  04-30-07 19:04   content/browser/browser.js
[04:44] <asac> look into that jar please
[04:44] <persia> asac: Sure.
[04:44] <asac> and see if there is actually code for you in that line
[04:44] <asac> 3890
[04:44] <gnomefreak> gdb is broken in gutsy?
[04:45] <asac> gnomefreak: not for me :)
[04:45] <asac> at least i could get a backtrace from a local granparadiso crash 40 minutes agop
[04:45] <asac> probably apport is broken again ;)I
[04:46] <gnomefreak> well apport cant get a damn retrace to save its CPU
[04:46] <persia> asac: I have url = configBundle.GetStringFromName(this.prefDomain); in the exception handler for getHomePage
[04:46] <persia> (inside gHomeButton)
[04:48] <asac> persia: oh intersting
[04:48] <asac> persia: please install ubufox package
[04:48] <asac> and tell me if things go away
[04:48] <gnomefreak> asac: i will leave you with bug 123508 i dont know java script good enough but from error it sounds like his script is off but dont know
[04:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123508 in firefox "javascript dont work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123508
[04:48] <persia> asac: It's already installed.
[04:49] <asac> did it come automatically?
[04:49] <asac> (just curious)
[04:49] <persia> asac: Yes (I install recommends by default)
[04:49] <asac> ah ok
[04:50] <asac> ok so what setting do you have as: browser.startup.homepage
[04:50] <asac> in about:config ?
[04:50] <persia> resource:/browserconfig.properties
[04:52] <asac> persia: uninstalling ubufox changes something?
[04:53] <persia> Nope.  dpkg -P ubufox resulted in the same behaviour.  Refreshing .mozilla from backup after the purge maintained the behaviour.
[04:54] <asac> persia: is the homepage setting marked as "user-defined" (e.g. bold text) ?
[04:54] <asac> e.g. i have something different there
[04:55] <persia> I claims to be the default
[04:55] <persia> s/I/It/1
[04:56] <asac> persia: what locale are you on?
[04:57] <persia> asac: Today en_US.UTF-8, but I switch locales regularly.
[04:58] <asac> persia: ok i have resource:/browserconfig.properties if i have not ubufox installed
[04:58] <asac> it should be something else if you have it installed
[04:58] <asac> can you verify that?
[04:58] <persia> asac: Odd.  Let me reinstall ubufox and see what happens.
[04:59] <persia> asac: No change.
[05:00] <persia> asac: Does perhaps the ubufox configuration setting require that there not already be a conflicting setting in the .mozilla?  That might explain why everything works for a fresh .mozilla, but not for my old messy one.
[05:00] <shirish> guys, I am on gutsy gibbon, running firefox-granparadiso, I cannot see hindi (indic fonts) on a webpage, is there something I need to check?
[05:01] <asac> persia: if about:config shows you default ... it should work
[05:01] <asac> persia: do you see ubufox in Tools-> Addons ?
[05:01] <persia> asac: Yes.  Version 0.2
[05:02] <persia> It reports it will be installed when firefox is restarted.  Restarting...
[05:02] <asac> oh
[05:02] <persia> Hmmm..  ubufox doesn't seem to be installing in the active firefox.
[05:03] <shirish>  ttf-indic-fonts are installed. any idea guys
[05:03] <asac> maybe you don't have write permissions somewhere in your .mozilla ?
[05:03] <asac> shirish: does it work in normal firefox?
[05:04] <shirish> asac: I don't have normal firefox, firefox also launches firefox-granparadiso
[05:04] <shirish> although do have another browser, lemme see
[05:05] <asac> shirish: other browser doesn't matter
[05:05] <asac> shirish: you have to close grand paradise
[05:05] <persia> asac: I don't seem to have write access to some of .mozilla/firefox/ck1ch5j9.default/extensions/, but otherwise it looks clean (and I do have write access to the folder)
[05:05] <asac> then you can start normal firefox
[05:05] <asac> persia: thats the reason
[05:06] <asac> anyway ... its a bug that browserconfig.properties is not installed (which should be fixed)
[05:06] <persia> asac: OK.  Today is the first time I've ever looked in .mozilla, so I'm wondering how it got into that state, and how one should get out of it.
[05:06] <asac> persia: what does mean you don't have write persmission?
[05:06] <asac> different owner?
[05:06] <asac> e.g. root?
[05:07] <asac> if so it might have happend that you started with sudo or something accidentially once
[05:07] <persia> asac: -r--r-----
[05:07] <asac> oh ... that looks more like harddisk error :)
[05:07] <persia> asac: No, it's all owned by me.
[05:08] <persia> Incorrect permissions looks like a harddisk error?
[05:08] <asac> yeah ... i had harddisk problems once ... and lots of file-attributes got changed
[05:08] <asac> (might be something different of course)
[05:08] <persia> Odd.  I usually see lots of things in lost+found from HD errors.
[05:08] <shirish> asac: hmm.... it shows for best performance use internet explorer, although do have indic-fonts installed, can't see some part in firefox
[05:09] <shirish> www.aajtak.com
[05:09] <shirish> the site.
[05:10] <persia> Well, anyway, it's late for me.  I'll save my backup for a week or so in case you want me to test anything.  Thanks for looking at this.
[05:10] <asac> shirish: page is a mess:
[05:10] <asac>  <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
[05:10] <asac> probably it works in IE ... because IE is too smart
[05:10] <shirish> asac: ok cool :(
[05:10] <asac> persia: yeah chmod -R u+rw should fix it
[05:10] <asac> for now
[05:11] <asac> persia: would be cool if you could verify that the saved session works
[05:11] <asac> e.g. try chmor -R u+rw .mozilla
[05:11] <asac> chmod
[05:12] <shirish> asac: what are these ubufox extensions? these are for firefox 2 or firefox3? The description isn't too descriptive I'm afraid.
[05:12] <persia> asac: Nope - same behaviour
[05:12] <asac> shirish: shirish you can try to change endoding manually in that page
[05:12] <shirish> asac: how?
[05:12] <asac> persia: ok try tomorrow ... if ubuntufox is installed at least the homepage should be good
[05:12] <asac> shirish: View -> Encoding something iirc
[05:12] <shirish> ah ok
[05:13] <asac> persia: maybe it still isn't correctly installed
[05:13] <persia> asac: Interestingly enough, I still have the homepage as it was.  Anyway, another day (or perhaps I'll try again with ubuntu4)
[05:13] <asac> he?
[05:13] <shirish> asac: strange, the encoding is in iso-8859-1
[05:13] <asac> persia: if extension is installed ... homepage setting should be there
[05:13] <asac> maybe uninstall and install package to really install all
[05:13] <shirish> asac: maybe I try with other encodings as such & see if it makes a difference.
[05:13] <asac> who knows
[05:14] <persia> asac: yes.  should.  it's not.  I don't know why.
[05:14] <asac> shirish: as i said ... its iso-8859
[05:14] <asac> shirish: yes ... thats what i ment ... try if manually changing encoding helps
[05:14] <shirish> asac: ok cool
[05:15] <asac> persia: is ubufox properly installed according to Tools -> Addon now?
[05:15] <asac> persia: anyway if its late come back tomorrow :) ... i am pretty sure it has to do with your f**ked profile ;)
[05:15] <asac> (or whenever you have another minute)
[05:16] <asac> gnomefreak: tell me which it is
[05:16] <persia> asac: It wasn't (after chmod and before downgrading).  I agree it's likely my profile.  Let me know if someone else hits it, and I'd be happy to chase test cases with you.  Otherwise, I'll call it my own issue, clean up my session, and start from a fresh .mozilla (but this will take a week or two).
[05:17] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 123508
[05:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123508 in firefox "javascript dont work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123508
[05:17] <asac> persia: as you wish
[05:17] <persia> asac: Thanks again for looking through this with me.
[05:17] <asac> persia: i am pretty sure you are that ----><---- close to resolve this
[05:17] <asac> ;)
[05:18] <asac> gnomefreak: we cannot support them
[05:18] <persia> asac: You're tempting me :)  I'll come back tomorrow.
[05:18] <asac> persia: cool!
[05:18] <asac> persia: cu ... 'night
[05:19] <gnomefreak> rejected
[05:19] <gnomefreak> cu ;)
[05:19] <asac> yeah
[05:19] <asac> well said
[05:19] <asac> gnomefreak: bye
[05:21] <shirish> asac: tried a few encodings, I'm also using gcj, maybe that's part of the issue
[05:21] <asac> i doubt so
[05:22] <asac> shirish: what is your system locale?
[05:22] <shirish> english
[05:22] <asac> yeah ... switch that to something indic
[05:22] <shirish> how do I do that?
[05:22] <asac> they probably don't know how to build a website and just encode the output stream in the encoding the browser requested in
[05:23] <asac> shirish: System -> Admin -> Language Support
[05:24] <shirish> asac: am there
[05:24] <asac> look around
[05:24] <asac> you will figure out :)
[05:25] <shirish> asac: saw it figuring out, just have been in xfce, hence takes time to figure out stuff.
[05:25] <asac> oh
[05:25] <shirish> also locale is not a word I'm a familiar with, but learning :)
[05:25] <asac> i cannot really support anything else than gnome (as i have no idea)
[05:25] <asac> anyway ... once you have the language support installed you can start firefox like
[05:25] <asac> LANG=es_ES firefox
[05:26] <shirish> asac: that's ok, I'm not going to blame you if it doesn't work out or anything
[05:26] <asac> e.g. that is an example if my default language is something not spanish, but i want to start firefox in spanish
[05:26] <shirish> right, cool
[05:26] <asac> shirish: but maybe try to set your language as default
[05:26] <asac> to see if it helps
[05:26] <asac> any maybe ask on #xubuntu or something to figure out how to do it there
[05:27] <shirish> I think I know how :) there is something which indicates that.
[05:27] <asac> if your whole desktop is in hindi ... afterwards it would be a good indicator that it works :)
[05:28] <asac> if just firefox is in hindi that should be enough as well
[05:28] <shirish> asac: ok cool , it would also be a good test for localization perhaps
[05:28] <asac> right
[05:28] <shirish> :)
[05:33] <asac> shirish: you are pretty active in forums, right?
[05:34] <shirish> asac: dunno about pretty active, but active yes
[05:34] <shirish> need any help?
[05:34] <asac> good ... yeah ... I always thought about people that help to gather feedback from forum for mozilla software
[05:34] <asac> e.g. i want to ensure that I know about any glitches that might be in mozilla software
[05:35] <asac> and i think that forums are often a place where such things pop-up
[05:35] <asac> e.g. kind of forum delegates that keep there eyes open for issues that pop-up there
[05:36] <shirish> asac: you want me to look at overall, or perhaps on firefox-gutsy (that's where I would be interested in )
[05:36] <asac> doesn't really matter ... just in those forums where you are active
[05:37] <shirish> asac: ok cool, would see if there are some issues, you want me to put them in bug-reports or send it to the mailing list or what?
[05:37] <asac> for now it would be enough to raise them here ... to see if its relevant
[05:37] <shirish> ok that's cool :)
[05:37] <asac> once you get a feeling whats relevant you could directly post bugs
[05:38] <asac> but often there are already bugs that people find
[05:38] <asac> and i don't see which ones really matter
[05:38] <asac> its actually just to support us to find issues that matter
[05:38] <asac> as things easily drown in the bug-swamp we have against mozilla products
[05:39] <asac> really cool ;)
[05:39] <shirish> true, I know that & I am always unsure whether the bug i'm raising is the right one or just noise
[05:39] <shirish> :)
[05:41] <asac> i need as many eyes that filter garbage and bring important things to my attention
[05:41] <asac> as possible
[05:42] <asac> of course that needs a bit training ... so just raise everything that appears to be remotely relevant
[05:42] <asac> in the beginning
[05:42] <bluekuja> back
[05:42] <bluekuja> heya alex
[05:42] <bluekuja> :)
[05:43] <asac> bluekuja: i thought you already were at work ;)
[05:44] <bluekuja> asac: yup
[05:44] <bluekuja> asac: motu work
[05:44] <bluekuja> :)
[05:45] <shirish> have to log out see if things work
[05:52] <hjmf> hi, I'm some how around :)
[05:54] <asac> cool
[05:54] <asac> hjmf: do we have debdiffs for all plugins already?
[05:54] <asac> e.g. are there more than just the two?
[05:55] <shirish> asac: how do I find the code like LANG=es_ES firefox
[05:55] <asac> shirish: is your desktop in hindi now?
[05:55] <shirish> asac: some parts yes, also I do have access to hindi keyboard.
[05:55] <shirish>
[05:56] <asac> ok ... open terminal
[05:56] <asac> and see what
[05:56] <asac> locale
[05:56] <asac> prints
[05:56] <asac> # locale
[05:57] <asac> what does it give you?
[05:57] <asac> e.g. as LANG
[05:57] <asac> e.g. i have
[05:57] <asac> asac@hector:~/ubuntu_bzr/ffox-2.0.0.x$ locale
[05:57] <asac> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[05:57] <asac> LANGUAGE=en_US:en
[05:57] <asac> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
[05:57] <shirish> ok cool, got it
[05:57] <asac> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
[05:57] <asac> ...
[05:57] <asac> and so on
[05:57] <asac> but if its set there
[05:57] <asac> then you don't need to set it explicitly
[05:58] <shirish> still same issue, although there is something in CLI, perhaps it might interest you
[05:58] <shirish> shirish@ubuntu:~$ LANG=hi_IN firefox
[05:58] <shirish> (firefox-bin:14249): Gtk-WARNING **: Whoever translated default:LTR did so wrongly.
[05:59] <shirish> could that also be something , the translation error its showing?
[05:59] <asac> shirish: no
[05:59] <shirish> asac: ok
[05:59] <asac> there is no language package available
[05:59] <asac> anyway
[05:59] <shirish> ok
[05:59] <asac> is your default encoding different now?
[05:59] <asac> e.g. if you look in View ?
[06:01] <shirish> asac: the default encoding didn't change, its still iso-8859-1
[06:01] <asac> hmm
[06:01] <asac> have you tried to switch default encoding? in Preferences -> Content -> Fonts & XXX -> Advanced
[06:01] <asac> ?
[06:01] <hjmf> asac: just three
[06:01] <hjmf> looking
[06:02] <asac> hjmf: which ones do we have?
[06:02] <asac> mplayer
[06:02] <asac> vlc?
[06:02] <asac> totem?
[06:02] <asac> helix
[06:02] <asac> java
[06:02] <hjmf> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~hmontoliu?field.searchtext=Xb-Npp-xxx
[06:02] <shirish> asac: I need to log out, come back in.
[06:02] <hjmf> vlc gxine mplayer
[06:02] <hjmf> asac: ^
[06:03] <hjmf> I've been really busy this week
[06:03] <hjmf> however I guess I'll be able to have some more soon
[06:03] <asac> no problem ... i will upload them today
[06:03] <hjmf> asac: k
[06:03] <hjmf> asac:  I'll tell you when I have more
[06:03] <asac> great
[06:04] <hjmf> I'm off for an hour or so
[06:04] <asac> i think totem-mozilla-plugin should be important (though its installed by default)
[06:04] <asac> bye
[06:04] <asac> and java
[06:04] <asac> java is mui importante ;)
[06:04] <hjmf> asac: k, those will go first :)
[06:04] <hjmf> good spanish, you had a profitable stance in sevilla :)
[06:04] <hjmf> cu
[06:05] <asac> cu
[06:05] <asac> (though i doubt that that was proper spanish) :)
[06:11] <shirish> asac: Preferences -> Content -> Fonts & XXX -> Advanced shows http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8994/23602381232523812352236sm5.png
[06:11] <shirish> seems to be ok, but still you can have a look.
[06:12] <asac> shirish: in screenshot i still see iso
[06:12] <asac> as default
[06:27] <shiris1> asac: sorry for that electricity had gone out
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> evening
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> err..morning
[07:18] <asac> morning Admiral_Chicago
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> hey asac
[07:36] <asac> ok out for some time ... have to do shopping and get a way from computer a bit
[09:07] <Kmos> hi
[09:07] <Kmos> http://mv.asterisco.pt/cat.cgi?1000%20Euro%20Firefox%20Bounty
[09:10] <Kmos> bug?
[09:15] <asac> no
[09:15] <asac> the bug referenced is pretty clear
[09:15] <asac> they break rfc
[09:19] <Kmos> ah =)
[09:19] <Kmos> thx
[09:19] <asac> as so often ... ms doesn't get it right ... while everyone else does
[09:20] <asac> Kmos: its in the mail even
[09:20] <asac> yes thats it
[09:20] <asac> read the ms blog
[09:20] <asac> different from what is claimed by author the certificate is not recognized by opera 7.5
[09:21] <asac> in the end it will end up just IE accepting it
[09:22] <asac> Kmos: maybe test with opera
[09:22] <asac> and any other browser out there
[09:23] <Kmos> ok =)
[09:23] <Kmos> thx for your help
[09:24] <asac> do portuguese authorities really hang onto this?
[09:24] <asac> probably they had a ms sales droid in house
[09:24] <Kmos> hehe
[09:24] <Kmos> lol
[09:24] <asac> or just bought latest enterprise webserver kit with broken certificate
[09:25] <Kmos> ms blog, says it's a bug from mozilla
[09:25] <Kmos> lol
[09:28] <asac> of course ... but somehow comments where closed once evidence arrived that they are wrong
[09:28] <Kmos> :)
[09:29] <Kmos> yeah
[09:29] <asac> right after "opera 7.5" doesn't recognize either
[09:35] <Kmos> so it's IE bug
[09:35] <Kmos> asac: bug 80964
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80964 in mozilla-thunderbird "MASTER mozilla-thunderbird crashed [@nsNSSCertificateDB::ImportCertsFromFile]  " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80964
[09:35] <Kmos> isn't fixed at v2.0 ?
[09:37] <Kmos> asac_: bug 80964
[09:37] <Kmos> isn't fixed at v2.0 ?
[09:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80964 in mozilla-thunderbird "MASTER mozilla-thunderbird crashed [@nsNSSCertificateDB::ImportCertsFromFile]  " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80964
[09:42] <asac_> is it reproducible?
[09:42] <asac_> Kmos: ^^ ?
[09:43] <Kmos> at v2.0 don't know
[09:43] <asac_> was it reproducible once?
[09:44] <Kmos> yeah
[09:44] <Kmos> at feisty
[09:44] <Kmos> gnomefreak has tested it too
[09:44] <Kmos> check the bug comments
[10:00] <gnomefreak> asac: it is still reproducible
[10:10] <gnomefreak> asac: alpha 6 is released
[10:14] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah i know
[10:14] <asac> it crashes
[10:14] <asac> we have a problem with our libcairo
[10:20] <gnomefreak> yeah
[10:20] <gnomefreak> is anyone in here using flash?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> flashplugin-nonfree
[10:36] <gnomefreak> asac: how did your sunbird build go last night
[10:46] <gnomefreak> as also you told me to remind you about patching libpng in trunk
[10:47] <gnomefreak> i might add it back maybe it was a bug in that build
[11:06] <asac> sunbird build still fails in bzr bd
[11:06] <asac> its wierd
[11:06] <gnomefreak> i got failue on that patch outside of bzr but in bzr it fails on the autocomplete
[11:06] <gnomefreak> failure*
[11:47] <gnomefreak> asac: do we still need trunk-fsh patch in trunk?
[11:51] <asac> most likely
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ick
[11:51] <gnomefreak> fails to apply
[11:52] <gnomefreak> rejects in file browser/app/Makefile.in is what its failing
[11:52] <gnomefreak> grabbing feisty source for it to see if we had that in there or not
[11:53] <gnomefreak> we dropped a patch or 2 just cant think of names
[11:57] <asac> trunk-fsh is definitly needed
[11:57] <asac> it might need adaption
[11:58] <asac> gnomefreak: look at the reject and see if you can manually do the patch
[11:58] <gnomefreak> i will
[11:59] <asac> go to the build-tree/mozilla directory
[11:59] <asac> then force application of the patch
[11:59] <asac> by
[11:59] <asac> quilt push -f
[11:59] <asac> after that you have to resolve the conflict by looking at the .rej file and see how this can be done in the modified Makefile.in
[12:00] <asac> but show me the .rej file first :)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> i have to find it first :)
[12:05] <gnomefreak> im extracting source
[12:06] <gnomefreak> it added .rej to the makefile.in
[12:08] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[12:10] <gnomefreak> i got a test file in debian/patches :(
[12:12] <gnomefreak> unless the test file is the reject than it cant be found
[12:13] <gnomefreak> asac: here is the test file http://pastebin.mozilla.org/114359
[12:15] <asac> he?
[12:15] <asac> whats that?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> there is no .rej file
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: start build
[12:15] <asac> when it fails go to
[12:15] <asac> the mozilla directory
[12:15] <asac> and do like i said above
[12:16] <asac> you have to quilt push -f
[12:16] <asac> in there
[12:16] <asac> to get a .rej file
[12:16] <asac> then you can go on
[12:17] <gnomefreak> the .rej will end up in debian/patches?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> got it
[12:18] <gnomefreak> asac: .rej file http://pastebin.mozilla.org/114362
[12:19] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... you will now work in mozilla directory
[12:19] <gnomefreak> k
[12:19] <asac> debian patches will be updated once you applied it manuially
[12:19] <asac> let me look
[12:19] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[12:19] <asac> what do you see there?
[12:19] <asac> can you find that place in Makefile.in ?
[12:19] <asac> e.g. a similar place?
[12:20] <asac> e.g. search for something that you see in proximity of that changes that could not be applied
[12:20] <asac> should still be around the same line number
[12:20] <asac> (what you see in ****XX,XX*****
[12:21] <asac> maybe explain what you see in the .rej file
[12:21] <gnomefreak> yes i found on 82
[12:21] <gnomefreak> need to look for 100
[12:21] <asac> please explain what you see in .rej files
[12:21] <asac> e.g. what was changed by me (when i did that patch)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> + PROGRAM = $(MOZ_APP_NAME)-trunk$(BIN_SUFFIX) else
[12:22] <gnomefreak> + PROGRAM = $(MOZ_APP_NAME)-trunk-bin$(BIN_SUFFIX) endif
[12:22] <gnomefreak> your changes
[12:22] <asac> yeah ... and what was replaced?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> - PROGRAM = $(MOZ_APP_NAME)$(BIN_SUFFIX) else
[12:22] <gnomefreak> - PROGRAM = $(MOZ_APP_NAME)-bin$(BIN_SUFFIX) endif
[12:22] <asac> or did i just add ?
[12:22] <asac> right
[12:22] <asac> so if you look at it ... what has changed?
[12:23] <asac> any idea why i did that?
[12:23] <gnomefreak> from looks in makefile.in it looks the same
[12:23] <gnomefreak> you did that too add trunk to name
[12:23] <asac> yeah right
[12:24] <asac> i added -trunk to the programm names
[12:24] <gnomefreak> right
[12:24] <asac> so ... you should be able to do it manually now, right?
[12:24] <asac> just do it ...save the file and then show me a quilt diff
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yes but if the patch does it why should we have to?
[12:24] <asac> because they changed some line in the proximity
[12:24] <asac> that makes the patch choke
[12:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:25] <asac> you should be able to see it
[12:25] <asac> e.g. there should be a line modified, added, removed somewhere
[12:26] <asac> patch is plain stupid ... so it just gives up and says: someone with a brain has to look ... and spits out the .rej file :)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> just save and run quilt diff
[12:27] <asac> yeah ... and show me the output :)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/114363
[12:27] <asac> then I show you how easy you can update the patch :)


[09:05] <ochosi> hi everyone
[09:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: can we look at lls together today or tomorrow or are you super-busy?
[09:05] <ochosi> just have to whip it in shape a bit before FF creeps up on us
[09:05] <elfy> hi ochosi :)
[09:05] <ochosi> hey elfy
[09:05] <ochosi> thanks for setting the trello-board public
[09:05] <ochosi> and for checking whether it's in sync
[09:06] <elfy> welcome - I'll check the sync this weekend
[09:06] <ochosi> guess it's important to get an overview now that FF is only a few days away
[09:06] <elfy> yep
[09:33] <ochosi> elfy: anything i can help with to make QA less moribund?
[09:36] <elfy> ochosi: if people aren't testing what can we do - you could mail the dev list perhaps, not sure what else we can do
[09:36] <elfy> there are a couple of people testing images now and again
[09:36] <elfy> seems that jjfrv8 does some package testing when I call
[09:37] <elfy> maybe see what happens with the first beta call/test in a week or two
[09:41] <ochosi> ok, i can also do some testing myself
[09:41] <elfy> :)
[09:41] <ochosi> if you have specific things that need more looking at, let me know
[09:41] <elfy> I will
[09:42] <elfy> mostly atm my concern is what happens when we beta test - if I'm the only one testing that - then what's the point in bothering *shrug*
[09:43] <ochosi> well one person testing is significantly better than zero [:
[09:43] <elfy> lol
[09:44] <ochosi> i guess it's hard to make testing more attractive
[09:44] <ochosi> although if you want, we can sit down and think about creating more incentive
[09:45] <ochosi> (and even if it only is that we send ppl who test regularly xubuntu stickers)
[09:46] <ochosi> pleia2: thanks for doing the meeting! if you need input/help with the article for x.org let me know (of if you want me to review it)
[09:46] <elfy> ochosi: yea testing is boring ... especially if you sit there and do 10 at a time
[09:47] <elfy> might be some mileage in incentivising it (if that's even a word )
[09:47] <elfy> off for a bit now
[09:51] <ochosi> elfy: right, then let's think about that some more. i wouldn't mind investing a few of those bucks left in our "account" held by knome into this (at least i see much more direct benefit for us as a team from that then handing out flyers at conferences etc)
[09:52] <ochosi> (and if incentivising isn't a word, it definitely should be! :))
[10:47] <brainwash> ochosi: does bug 1054299 really affect xfpm directly? any idea?
[10:48] <brainwash> it does call xflock4 from xfce4-session
[12:38] <ochosi> brainwash: haha, well good to read that suspend also didn't work nicely with xscreensaver
[12:38] <ochosi> and what i considered a security threat (i.e. locking only when waking up) is considered normal there
[12:38] <elfy> ha
[12:39] <ochosi> i would say it has to do with xscreensaver, not with xflock or the power-manager
[12:39] <ochosi> i mean now it
[12:39] <ochosi> 's logind handling that
[12:44] <brainwash> so.. can xfpm be removed from the affects list?
[12:44] <brainwash> closing the report completely is not an option yet, right?
[12:45] <brainwash> because 12.04 is still a supported release
[12:45] <brainwash> and not clue about 14.04
[12:47] <ochosi> i presume that for those using xscreensaver in 14.04, it might still be a problem
[12:47] <ochosi> but no clue, i haven't used xscreensaver in quite a while
[12:50] <brainwash> kinda strange though
[12:50] <elfy> aren't they all ...
[12:51] <ochosi> suspend is just still a very tricky procedure on linux obviously
[12:51] <brainwash> it's a high priority bug plus security related :/
[12:51] <brainwash> and we cannot get rid of it
[12:51] <elfy> ochosi: re incentivising ... if we think about it till the beta testing - then if it's dead still take it to meeting
[12:54] <ochosi> elfy: you mean think about it as in make a list of possible options and discuss that after b1 @meeting?
[12:59] <bluesabre> hey guys
[13:00] <elfy> ochosi: yea I think so :p
[13:05] <ochosi> o hey bluesabre
[13:05] <ochosi> elfy: okeydokey, lemme know if the ideas get too many and you wanna write them down anywhere ;)
[13:07] <elfy> if we manage to get that many we can chuck it on a pad
[13:08] <ochosi> yup
[13:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: so how's the weekend looking? got time to look into lls with me?
[13:14] <bluesabre> ochosi: so far, looking open for today
[13:14] <bluesabre> what changes need to be made for lls at this point, did we get everything we need with xfpm 1.3.1?
[13:17] <elfy> hi bluesabre
[13:17] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[13:18] <bluesabre> haven't had a look at your parole issue yet
[13:18] <elfy> no problem - I'd think other things have more priority
[13:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: i would personally add a check for xfpm in lls and if it's running we hide the dpms and blank settings since xfpm handles all of that
[13:20] <bluesabre> ok
[13:20] <ochosi> so basically there aren't that many settings left for lls, but well...
[13:20] <bluesabre> I can also add a button that launches the xfpm settings... does it support specific tab opening?
[13:21] <ochosi> hmm, i think it partly does already
[13:21] <ochosi> because we can open the devices tab
[13:21] <ochosi> but it might need more work to open specific tabs
[13:22] <bluesabre> ok, I'll take a look
[13:22] <ochosi> i think right now we just open the last tab, cause that's always devices
[13:22] <ochosi> but not sure
[13:23] <ochosi> (eric implemented that part)
[19:57] <ochosi> hmpf, splitsville
[20:08] <bluesabre> splitcity
[20:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh, you're back
[20:11] <bluesabre> yup, just got back
[20:13] <ochosi> so finalizing catfish now?
[20:13] <bluesabre> yes, want to test it in a bit
[20:13] <bluesabre> ?
[20:13] <ochosi> ah, that question mark was important :)
[20:13] <ochosi> sure
[20:13] <ochosi> lemme know when you're ready
[20:16] <Unit193> Soo, I've been told to tell you when I do personal Xfce things like merges.  I'm merging xfce4-session 4.11.0 from experimental.
[20:19] <bluesabre> sweet
[20:19] <bluesabre> I'll sponsor that for you when you're ready
[20:20] <Unit193> The one in experimental is older than unstable, so kind of did a merge of both.
[20:20] <Unit193> OK, I'll upload a dsc for you.
[20:24] <bluesabre> ok, just committed changes for catfish... "--start" can autostart the search on startup
[20:24] <bluesabre> catfish /home/sean kittens --start
[20:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: dget https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-session_4.11.0-1ubuntu1.dsc
[20:25] <bluesabre> awesome
[20:26] <Unit193> Don't forget to review, I may have botched it. :D
[20:27] <bluesabre> D:
[20:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: weee, that we should definitely add to whiskermenu!
[20:27] <ochosi> i mean as a default action
[20:28] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks, wasn't sure if we were going to go for more 4.11 this cycle.
[20:28] <bluesabre> as much as we can get in before thursday
[20:28] <bluesabre> hopefully nick does the settings release soon
[20:28] <ochosi> maybe something like "search kitten" would do "catfish /home/$user kitten --start" and "search kitten everywhere" could do "catfish / kitten --start"
[20:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: we should remind him and otherwise you can just do the release
[20:29] <bluesabre> yeah
[20:29] <Unit193> libxfce4util?
[20:31] <Unit193> That and xfce4-mixer are the only things experimental has that Ubuntu doesn't.
[20:31] <bluesabre> it would probably make sense to grab them
[20:34] <Unit193> Our delta for -mixer is an epoch. >_x
[20:35] <ochosi> rly?
[20:35] <ochosi> how come?
[20:35] <bluesabre> probably pulseaudio or something
[20:35] <bluesabre> brb
[20:35] <ochosi> i don't think we have pulseaudio support in the mixer in ubuntu
[20:36] <ochosi> wonder how long it'll take until gst0.10 is gone from the repos
[20:36] <ochosi> maybe not too soon though, not sure
[20:36] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/1:4.2.1-2ubuntu1 That's the first hit in the changelog for it.
[20:41] <bluesabre> wowza
[20:44] <ochosi> holy christ
[20:44] <ochosi> that was a while ago :)
[20:50] <bluesabre> ok, catfish does work as a whiskermenu action
[20:50] <bluesabre> so thats handy
[20:50] <ochosi> you just have to decide what the shortcut will be
[20:51] <ochosi> what did you think about the location substitution?
[20:51] <ochosi> or defaulting to some location like home by default
[20:51] <ochosi> weeee, sorry for that overuse of default
[20:51] <bluesabre> just default to home
[20:51] <bluesabre> by default
[20:53] <ochosi> :)
[20:54] <ochosi> yup, i think that makes sense for most ppl
[20:54] <bluesabre> notice any issues or have any suggestions?  thinking about letting 1.2.0 out of the gate now
[20:54] <ochosi> lemme test the whisker-action
[20:54] <bluesabre> /path/to/catfish %s --start
[20:55] <ochosi> (also, you didn't say "test it now" before, so i haven't looked yet)
[20:55] <bluesabre> :D
[20:56] <ochosi> hm, the wording of "this process requires.." is not ideal maybe
[20:56] <ochosi> how about "This action requires administrative rights"?
[20:56] <bluesabre> sure, that sounds nicer and to the point
[20:57] <ochosi> mm, nice infobar stuff
[20:57] <ochosi> also the abort-infobar, i like it
[20:57] <Unit193> '...would do "catfish /home/$user kitten...' Ever heard of $HOME?
[20:57] <ochosi> "user aborted authentication." is not very elegantly put though, sounds a bit wooden :)
[20:57] <bluesabre> actually, the code actually works out so home is default, so you don't even have to provide a path
[20:58] <ochosi> Unit193: nope, there's no place like $HOME.
[20:59] <bluesabre> "You gave up trying to remember your password"
[20:59] <bluesabre> "Authentication cancelled" perhaps?
[20:59] <ochosi> yeah, maybe
[21:00] <ochosi> btw, not sure why the "esc" or cancel button don't work as responsively as they used to
[21:00] <bluesabre> possibly because locate is actually being used again... apparently that code got ignored the last few releases :)
[21:00] <ochosi> hm, it also seems to reload the list if i hit cancel
[21:00] <ochosi> ah, hehe
[21:00] <ochosi> so it'
[21:00] <ochosi> s a feature? :)
[21:00] <bluesabre> ;)
[21:02] <bluesabre> "reload the list"?
[21:05] <ochosi> ok, i guess i can reproduce it like this:
[21:05] <ochosi> enter e.g. "kittens", hit search, then after a few results hit cancel
[21:06] <ochosi> then *don't* change the search term, hit search again and then cancel again
[21:06] <ochosi> then it reloads the result-list a few times for me (at least twice)
[21:08] <bluesabre> ahhh
[21:08] <bluesabre> nice catch
[21:19] <bluesabre> fix pushed
[21:19] <ochosi> oh that was quick
[21:19] <ochosi> yup, that works
[21:20] <bluesabre> would have been faster, but http://grammarist.com/spelling/cancel/
[21:20] <ochosi> the fact that the cancelling is still very sluggish sucks a bit
[21:20] <ochosi> but yeah, at least locate is being used again i guess ;)
[21:21] <bluesabre> the app closes quickly even with locate, so thats something :)
[21:21] <ochosi> :D
[21:24] <ochosi> yup, the whiskermenu action rules
[21:24] <ochosi> nice stuff
[21:25] <ochosi> the rest works as planned as far as i can tell
[21:25] <ochosi> btw, i guess instead of a panel-plugin one could also try to pop up catfish (without window-deco) where whiskermenu was
[21:25] <ochosi> maybe there
[21:26] <ochosi> 's some mutual integration that could be done, passing around parameters and all
[21:26] <bluesabre> maybe, I'll have to think about that one
[21:27] <bluesabre> yay, my pbuilder finally built Unit193's package
[21:27] <bluesabre> now to test
[21:27] <ochosi> could also talk to graeme gott
[21:30] <bluesabre> right
[21:31] <ochosi> be back after one episode of sherlock...
[21:31] <Unit193> Wait, new ones or are you way behind?
[21:34] <bluesabre> session
[21:34] <bluesabre> first it was a failed build since pbuilder was out of date
[21:34] <bluesabre> then I had to update and try again
[21:34] <bluesabre> :D
[21:34] <bluesabre> but everything looks ok, uploading now
[21:35] <Unit193> Nono, I meant Sherlock. :P
[21:36] <Unit193> But, glad it's working.
[22:09]  * skellat notes that LP Bug #1297649 plus the linked bits from Debian may bring cause for an archive removal for Trusty and Utopic of twinkle if somebody on our end wants to spearhead such
[22:19]  * bluesabre release catfish 1.2.0 https://launchpad.net/catfish-search/1.2/1.2.0
[22:20] <bluesabre> re: twinkle, yikes
[22:21] <bluesabre> Unit193, Noskcaj, interested ^ ?
[22:21] <Unit193> In paperwork?  Nope.
[22:21] <bluesabre> D:
[22:21] <Noskcaj> paperwork: nope, catfish: Are you going to do the debian package or should i?
[22:22] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, if you want to, go ahead :)
[22:22] <Noskcaj> sure
[22:22] <Unit193> "twinkle's binaries are not seeded."  I see no reason for it to be an Xubuntu problem.
[22:22] <bluesabre> should be straight-forward, no packaging changes should be needed
[22:22] <Noskcaj> Anything non version-bump needed?
[22:22] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:23] <bluesabre> thanks :)
[22:23] <Noskcaj> Did you fix the about dialogue issue?
[22:24] <bluesabre> wrong version number displayed?
[22:24] <Noskcaj> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=757828
[22:24] <bluesabre> yeah, that should happen no longer :)
[22:25] <bluesabre> the about dialog was hard-coded in the glade file, and now its smarter
[22:25] <Noskcaj> great
[22:25] <bluesabre> for the next release, I'll go to a python build system and then I won't forget that anymore ;)
[22:32] <Unit193> * Patch aclocal.m4 and configure to build on ppc64el.   We can likely just sync the 4.11 one then.
[22:33] <bluesabre> of which thing?
[22:38] <Unit193> Bleh, looks like a no.
[23:01] <ochosi> Unit193: i was way behind
[23:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: congrats on catfish
[23:02] <ochosi> now let's go and add a custom action to whisker as soon as catfish hits utopic
[23:05] <Unit193> ochosi: Ah, I see.  Didn't think they were due back yet.
[23:07] <ochosi> i still have a bit ahead of (lucky) me
[23:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: still wanting to look at lls?
[23:28] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[23:28] <bluesabre> yeah, will do that one next
[23:29] <bluesabre> ochosi: careful, if you watch a few sherlocks, you'll have watched them all
[23:29] <Unit193> Hah, indeed.
[23:36] <ochosi> hehe, yeah, that's the worst part of it tbh
[23:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: xfce4-power-manager --version doesn't seem to output any version
[23:39] <ochosi> hah, indeed
[23:39] <ochosi> fun bug
[23:39] <bluesabre> was going to use that to verify versions :)
[23:41] <ochosi> hehe, bad idea
[23:41] <ochosi> i'm looking into it now
[23:41] <bluesabre> cool
[23:42] <bluesabre> I'll add a breaks for xfce4-power-manager << 1.3.0 when I package it, that should make it safe
[23:43] <ochosi> yeah, i think that's better than actually checking xfpm's version
[23:43] <ochosi> i mean it's possible, but obviously it doesn't work :)
[23:43] <bluesabre> it happens
[23:43] <bluesabre> catfish-1.0.3 said it was 1.0.2
[23:44] <ochosi> yeah, the xfpm 1.3.1 release said it was 1.3.0 in the release mail :)
[23:44] <bluesabre> who knows how that even happened ;)
[23:49] <ochosi> bluesabre: heh, try xfce4-power-manager --debug --version
[23:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: haha
[23:51] <ochosi> i'm still in the progress of debugging this
[23:51] <ochosi> not entirely sure what's going on there


[05:12] <Kilos> cremora minora
[06:08] <Symmetria> morning
[06:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:15] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:20] <Symmetria> heh I asked a question in an assignment for a training course I was giving
[06:20] <Symmetria> and while everyone in the class seemed to do fine on the assignment
[06:20] <Symmetria> my one question seems to have tripped up 85% of the class
[06:20] <Symmetria> lol, only 4 people actually got the right answer
[06:50] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[06:58] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:59] <Kilos> hgi magespawn
[06:59] <Kilos> hi as well
[06:59] <magespawn> indeed
[06:59] <Kilos> fingers musta put on wieght
[06:59] <Kilos> weight
[07:08] <Kilos> Maaz_ change nick to Maaz
[07:09] <Maaz_> Kilos: Just do it yourself
[07:09] <Kilos> hi superfly have you got permissions with maaz?
[07:11] <superfly> Kilos: some
[07:12] <Kilos> adminj?
[07:12] <Kilos> admin too?
[07:12] <Kilos> whew typos today
[07:14] <superfly> Maaz_: change nick to Maaz
[07:14] <Maaz_> superfly: You're not the boss of me
[07:14] <Kilos> ai!
[07:14] <Kilos> cheeky bot
[07:14] <Kilos> ty superfly
[07:23] <magespawn> lol let Maaz_ have his tail maybe he like it
[07:24] <magespawn> likes
[07:24] <Kilos> haha
[08:16] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn smile
[08:18] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[08:27] <smile> hi :)
[08:32] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:35] <Vince-0> Sup kbmonkey_
[08:35] <Vince-0> I mean Kilos
[08:35] <Kilos> lol
[08:35] <Kilos> all good ty and there Vince-0 ?
[08:35] <Kilos> the monkey been inactive for too long now
[08:38] <Kilos> Maaz_ seen kbmonkey
[08:38] <Maaz_> Kilos: kbmonkey was last seen 23 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes and 10 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-01-24 19:30:56 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-02-13 04:19:07 SAST
[08:47] <Vince-0> work work
[08:47] <Vince-0> busy updating discussion notes for a next LUG hangout:
[08:47] <Kilos> is that work?
[08:48] <Vince-0> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CLDFU0bpqVM64W1LXbR7apLiZM-Kwlf04_kM3vbixg0/edit?usp=sharing
[08:48] <Vince-0> oh no, this keeps me busy at work
[08:48] <Kilos> lug and work are apart arent they
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:49] <Vince-0> not in my life, otherwise I'd fall asleep at my desk
[08:49] <Kilos> haha
[08:51] <Vince-0> I spend most of the day reading online,
[08:51] <Kilos> wow
[08:51] <Kilos> serious job you got
[08:51] <Vince-0> I could probably do a part time journalist type thing lol
[08:51] <Vince-0> ya it's serious, just unorganised and without vision
[08:51] <Kilos> doesnt anything ever break there
[08:52] <Vince-0> occasionally, but it's always a recurring issue with gets put out in 5 mins
[08:52] <Kilos> what do you do Vince-0 and for what company
[08:52] <Vince-0> primarily VoIP with Asterisk, Vicidial, FreePBX
[08:53] <Vince-0> MySQL, MariaDB
[08:53] <Vince-0> but nothing new in a while
[08:54] <Vince-0> lol you must be "anonymous capybara" in Google Docs
[08:54] <Kilos> ah similar to magespawn but not on a game ranch
[08:54] <Vince-0> there's lots of call centers in Durban
[08:55] <magespawn> hi Vince-0
[08:55] <Vince-0> hi!
[08:55] <Vince-0> *brb
[09:02] <Vince-0> noobs! surrounded by noobs
[09:02] <Kilos> lol
[09:03] <Vince-0> these call center people know nothing about the systems they use
[09:04] <Kilos> they just gotta answer fones anyway
[09:04] <Kilos> do they get paid a decent wage for that
[09:04] <Vince-0> nope, not the agents - they do what ever they want
[09:05] <Vince-0> its the "IT" guys in the middle
[09:05] <Kilos> are those that answer the fones called agents?
[09:13] <Vince-0> yep
[09:14] <Vince-0> they usually start at R3000 basic + comm
[09:14] <Kilos> ouch
[09:14] <Kilos> today thats nothing
[09:14] <Vince-0> let's just say "skilled" agents are sought after but they're a dime a dozen
[09:14] <magespawn> not too bad as long as you can sell
[09:14] <Kilos> sell what?
[09:15] <Kilos> like waitresses that rely on tips
[09:17] <Vince-0> yep, sell anything under the Sun
[09:17] <Kilos> wow
[09:17] <Vince-0> In Durban they call the UK a massive amount, put on a fake Brit accent - its pretty annoying
[09:18] <Kilos> lol
[09:18] <Vince-0> ZA campaigns are usually The Unlimited World - loyalty programs, insurance etc
[09:18] <Vince-0> then there's all the crap the mobile networks don't want - CellC, Virgin, MTN, Voda -
[09:18] <Kilos> ok
[09:19] <Kilos> i hate insurance sales peeps they dont understand what no thank you means
[09:20] <Vince-0> yep, standard response is: "I'm not interested, take me off your list immediately"
[09:21] <Kilos> i think their ears are blocked to anything but yes plaease and tell me more
[09:21] <Kilos> please
[09:24] <Vince-0> they're trained to treat every objection as a "I want more info"
[09:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:28] <magespawn> back again
[09:28] <Kilos> wb magespawn what you broke
[09:28] <magespawn> nah just needed to plug lan cable into another router
[09:29] <Kilos> ah
[09:36] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:44] <Vince-0> !
[09:45] <Kilos> well hello there inetpro
[10:06] <magespawn> howdy inetpro
[10:32] <Vince_0> aarg
[10:46] <magespawn> i have just found a cisco 837 router sitting in a box
[10:50] <magespawn> not getting much joy in connecting to it yet though, maybe that is why it was in the box
[10:50] <Kilos> lol
[10:59] <magespawn>  Kilos it is one of these http://is.gd/PaqMxR
[11:00] <Kilos> so whats blown on it?
[11:06] <magespawn> not sure, it is not assigning an ip address automatically, it's default is supposed to be <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:13] <Symmetria> magespawn
[11:13] <Symmetria> you need to connect to it via console
[11:13] <Symmetria> and fix its config that way :)
[11:15] <magespawn> cool beans Symmetria, i do not have a console cable with me, that i left up in hluhluwe
[11:25] <nuvolari> o/
[11:25] <Kilos> o/
[11:53] <superfly> Symmetria: you don't know of an open source "downloads server" ? I'm looking for something that can cache large files so that it doesn't hit my disk all the time
[11:58] <Squirm> superfly: maybe something like Squid cache? Not sure how well it'd work server side
[11:59] <superfly> Squirm: good idea. I think Symmetria used it, or something like it, in that way before
[12:00] <Squirm> we use it our side, but we cache in RAM and disk. makes our life much better
[12:00] <superfly> I have a VPS and I'm hosting the files for my open source project after SF.net went all wonky about 2 weeks ago. But I now get disk io warnings all the time :-/
[12:01] <Squirm> of 15Gb we used through our squid proxy on Friday. 13% was from cache
[12:01] <superfly> so I'm looking for something that can cache the files in RAM
[12:01] <Squirm> Squid does that
[12:03] <Squirm> run it as a transparent caching proxy
[12:03] <Squirm> so what you'd have to do, is set up apache/whatever you would use to not listen on port 80 but have squid listening on port 80 and pushing everything through to another local port
[12:03] <superfly> I'm using nginx at the moment
[12:04] <superfly> actually, in some cases I'm using nginx as a reverse proxy to Apache ;-)
[12:16] <Vince-0> nuvolari, !
[12:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly: varnish perhaps?
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> or the ghetto version, create a ramdisk ;-)
[12:42] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: that may work, thanks
[12:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[12:45] <inetpro> you could even use apache as a proxy
[12:45] <inetpro> with mod_proxy
[12:45]  * inetpro hasn't tried that though
[12:45] <inetpro> at least not on a big scale
[14:16] <Squirm> a ramdisk is actually quite a useful idea
[14:16] <Squirm> superfly: what you can also do, depending how much data you have, is use a SSD as a caching device
[14:17] <Squirm> so you have your data on your main drives, and use say a 60Gb SSD as a cache
[14:17] <superfly> Squirm: this is a VPS
[14:18] <Squirm> then surely they would need to handle that sort of service?
[14:18] <Squirm> if your drive dies it's their problem?
[14:19] <superfly> well, it's not that the drive is dying, it's just that the disk io is above the alert threshold
[14:20] <Squirm> ah, ok
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> you might just have low RAM
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> surely under normal circumstances it'd be in the normal cache
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless you have low ram and the cache is being emptied constantly
[14:21] <superfly> hrm, that may be the deal
[14:22] <superfly> I don't have a lot of RAM
[14:22] <inetpro> superfly: how many hits are we talking about?
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> what does 'free -m' have to say?
[14:25] <superfly> I have a gig of RAM and 106M free... like i said, not much
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm guessing "cached" is also pretty low
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> in 'free -m' output
[14:25] <superfly> inetpro: probably 20-30 per day
[14:26] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: yes, 170
[14:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah that's not leaving much room for useful caching :-/
[14:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> sadly 1GB doesn't go as far as it used to
[14:27] <inetpro> such low number of hits, are they big files?
[14:28] <superfly> inetpro: around 40-70 megs
[14:28] <superfly> (each)
[14:28] <inetpro> hmm...
[14:28] <inetpro> surely that can't be causing any issues
[14:29] <inetpro> must be something else on the box
[14:32] <Vince-0> hey, do you want to get the RMS @ UKZN talk? I have an unlicensed version here: http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fcloudatcost.dyndns.org%2Fstallman_ukzn_20140906_960x540theora_128vorbis.mkv&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEhPZoYTs5CA-rKGhDjbBidoDc0wg
[14:32] <Vince-0> ow wait,
[14:32] <Vince-0> http://cloudatcost.dyndns.org/stallman_ukzn_20140906_960x540theora_128vorbis.mkv
[14:32] <Vince-0> I'm waiting for UKZN to release the copyright
[14:38] <magespawn> later all home time
[15:03] <Vince-0> me2
[15:27] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[15:27] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[15:28] <Private_User> hi everybody else
[15:28] <Private_User> :)
[15:28] <Kilos> hehe
[17:39] <charl> good evening folks
[17:40] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[17:40]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[17:40] <Kilos> hi charl
[17:40] <charl> hi Kilos  :)
[17:40] <Kilos> Maaz_ coffee please
[17:40] <Maaz_> Kilos: Alrighty
[17:40] <charl> how's it going
[17:40] <Kilos> good ty and there?
[17:40] <charl> i'm good thanks
[17:42] <nlsthzn> good evening all :)
[17:43] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[17:43] <Kilos> :-)
[17:44] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[17:44] <Kilos> Maaz_ dankie man
[17:44] <Maaz_> Groot plesier my vriend
[17:44] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:48] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[17:48] <Maaz_> charl: Sure
[17:48] <charl> hi nlsthzn
[17:48] <nlsthzn> o/ charl
[17:48] <charl> how's it
[17:49] <nlsthzn> so I survived a second karate class tonight after sprayning my toes and bruising my foot a little over a week ago :/
[17:49] <charl> bah :(
[17:49] <nlsthzn> so it is all systems go for the tourney this coming Friday... :)
[17:49] <nlsthzn> sore foot and all
[17:50] <Kilos> that will teach you to keep your toes back and kick with ball of foot
[17:50] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:50] <nlsthzn> something like that
[17:51] <charl> :)
[17:51] <Kilos> that is the ball hey? the piece the toes are stuck to
[17:51] <nlsthzn> I have an idea what you mean
[17:51] <nlsthzn> but the specific kick I somehow messed up you keep toes pointed and hit the person with the top flat part of the foot... like a slap
[17:51] <Kilos> or forget maigerry and twist a bit and use side of foot
[17:51] <nlsthzn> somehow I got that wrong :p
[17:52]  * Kilos forgets spelling
[17:52] <nlsthzn> ah so you know mawashugeri
[17:52] <nlsthzn> spelling also wrong :p
[17:52] <Kilos> mawashigerri
[17:52] <nlsthzn> I think that is what I messed up... only noticed the pain after the kumite
[17:52] <Kilos> thats a foot slap to the face
[17:53] <nlsthzn> I was faining a kick with it to come in for a punch... must have hit his elbow :/
[17:53] <Kilos> one tricky way that gets past lots is kick a bit to the left and then bring same foot back in a reverse mawashi
[17:54] <nlsthzn> lol, I hardly get a chance to join the class so I am a lowly yellow belt at the moment...
[17:54] <nlsthzn> so fancy isn't in my abilities at the moment
[17:54] <Kilos> practise on wife
[17:54] <charl> lol
[17:54] <nlsthzn> nah she uses the class as an excuse to get me back for what ever I did wrong during the week
[17:54] <charl> terrible Kilos
[17:54] <Kilos> haha make her hold a pillow man
[17:55] <charl> oh that's better :)
[17:55] <Kilos> haha gotcha
[17:55] <nlsthzn> don't want to give her mor reason to moer me in cladd...
[17:55] <nlsthzn> *class
[17:55] <charl> lol
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:55] <charl> phew
[17:55] <nlsthzn> sorry for the french :p
[17:55] <Kilos> lekker when family does it together
[17:56] <charl> :)
[17:56] <Kilos> getting fit and learning to breathe properly is the biggest bonus
[17:56] <nlsthzn> yup... daughter going on well... she skipped from yellow to green bypassing orange the last grading
[17:56] <Kilos> you should find that you all get healthier
[17:56] <nlsthzn> wife already blue... just me lagging
[17:56] <Kilos> wow
[17:57] <nlsthzn> that is the idea :)
[17:57] <charl> they are going to moer you together nlsthzn if you are not careful
[17:57] <charl> :)
[17:57] <nlsthzn> wife was going to SA's when she was at varisty
[17:57] <nlsthzn> I still run faster and know where to hide ;)
[17:57] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <charl> hahahah !
[18:02]  * nlsthzn goes for shower and sleepy... work in the morning.  Have a good one all :)
[18:02] <Kilos> sleep tight nlsthzn
[18:04] <charl> have a good evening nlsthzn
[18:16] <charl> i'm off too
[18:16] <charl> good evening al
[18:16] <charl> *all
[18:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:31] <Kilos> oh cocooncrash can you shorten maaz's tail for us please
[22:18] <Private_User> evening people
[22:18] <Private_User> or should I say Good Morning :D
[22:19] <Private_User> well I guess everybody is asleep :p
[22:19] <Private_User> hehe


 Lubuntu Artful Aardvark Final Beta has been Released! http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-artful-aardvark-final-beta-has-been-released/
 @tsimonq2, 💚💚💚😎😎😎💚💚💚
 Exciting indeed :D I'll be running Lubuntu Next on my laptop throughout the rest of its beta phase. :D
 \o/
 damn
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mpv/+bug/1720188
[16:56] <lubot10> Luiz Cláudio was added by: Luiz Cláudio
 @Luiz Cláudio, Welcome!
 @VikingRedwolf, Oh jeez...
[17:04] <lubot10> <Luiz Cláudio> Hello everyone, I am a user of Lubuntu and I am here to try to help in the distribution wherever possible.
[17:04] <lubot10> greetings!
[17:05] <lubot10> <Luiz Cláudio> @tsimonq2, Thank you Simon.
[18:27] <lubot10> bashfulrobot was removed by: bashfulrobot
 @bashfulrobot, 😢
 (Sticker, 512x512) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_817.webp
 Oh, Simon, people from Instragram thanks us for actually keeping the 32bit image 😉
 :D
 You see my tweet on behalf of Lubuntu that's been getting traction?
 Go! Cook a 16bit / 8bit image for the forthcoming Atari machine! 😁
 @tsimonq2, nope
 URL
 @VikingRedwolf, Or for the snes classic mini... :D
 @VikingRedwolf, Va!
 Si
 I don't use social networks, you know that
 https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/913532513234096128
 oh! The Lubuntu theme works fine on Ubuntu :)
 @tsimonq2, Yayyy!
 Looboontoo rules!
 @VikingRedwolf, See how many retweets and likes?
 aye! ☺


[12:35] <ahasenack> hi #security, are you planning on updating/merging audit from debian?
[12:35] <ahasenack> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audit/+bug/1961981
[12:36] <ahasenack> and I think we also need to update it, because of the newer kernel we have in jammy, audit's upstream changelog mentions syscalls updates many times
[12:49] <ahasenack> handled


[10:06] <Kilos> evening all
[11:43] <Cryterion> Kilos you're late again?
[11:52] <Kilos> sorry
[11:52] <Kilos> been working on tank to slow leak
[11:53] <Kilos> ans tween chatting my girls
[17:05] <gremble> Evening
[17:08] <Cryterion> Hi
[17:09] <Cryterion> anyone got any ideas on how the get WINE working properly?
[17:14] <gremble> How is it currently working improperly, Cryterion ?
[17:15] <Cryterion> think I found my mistake, trying something
[17:20] <Kilos> hi gremble Cryterion
[17:21] <Kilos> superfly too
[17:21] <Cryterion> Hi Kilos
[17:21] <Cryterion> hmm, still not working, have to fix wine somehow
[17:21] <Kilos> ai!
[17:22] <Kilos> wine gave hassles with me in 10.10 already
[17:22] <Cryterion> Trying to run a win app, but it starts opening in wine, then the tab on taskbar just dissappears
[17:22] <Kilos> now i dont even try it
[17:23] <Kilos> have you got the right win chosen
[17:23] <Cryterion> always given my hassles, I try apt-get install or even through software centre, (Show INSTALL even though it is installed) but has conflicts
[17:24] <Cryterion> how do you even choose
[17:24] <Kilos> when you open wine to install something
[17:24] <Kilos> its gives all the versions
[17:24] <Cryterion> WINE not Virtual Box
[17:25] <Kilos> oh have i got that mixed up too
[17:26] <Cryterion> I know Virtual Box, you still run the original OS in it, wine is just an emulator
[17:30] <Kilos> look for wine-tricks i think it was called
[17:31] <Kilos> there also some other winething in repos
[17:32] <Kilos> winetricks
[17:32] <Kilos> Wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows applications on Linux.
[17:32] <Kilos> Applications are run at full speed without the need of cpu emulation. Wine
[17:32] <Kilos> does not require Microsoft Windows, however it can use native system dll
[17:32] <Kilos> files in place of its own if they are available.
[17:33] <Kilos> thats from winetricks
[17:34] <Cryterion> yeah, and I somehow lost winetricks now trying to update it all
[17:37] <Kilos> oi
[17:37] <Kilos> ill be back
[17:37] <Kilos> something attacked my desktop and its gone super slow
[17:38] <Cryterion> reboot
[17:39]  * Cryterion is gonna reboot now anyway
[18:38] <gremble> Maaz: calculate 12345679*9
[18:38] <Maaz> gremble: 111111111
[18:38] <gremble> If you have an 8 it makes one a 0 instead of 1, which is unfortunate :<
[18:39] <gremble> Maaz: calculate 123456789*9
[18:39] <Maaz> gremble:<PHONE_NUMBER>