[00:04] <SlidingHorn> clorisu: I'm not particularly well-versed in this, but for others watching, what is the make/model of the keyboard?
[00:05] <clorisu> SlidingHorn: it actually doesnt specify. here is where i bought it though https://miniso-au.com/en-au/product/13006/classic-bluetooth-keyboard-white
[00:07] <jesse1010> should I use the discard option in my crypttab if I have an nvme?
[00:08] <SlidingHorn> clorisu: what about on the label underneath it?
[00:09] <OerHeks> maybe power on is your issue https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/stacks/bluetooth/bluez/docs/troubleshoot/faq
[00:09] <visone> clorisu: did you check that you bluetooth isn´t blocked?
[00:09] <OerHeks> rfkill list
[00:09] <visone> that´s it
[00:20] <newpy> I tried sudo apt install g++ and got linux-libc-dev not found (ip: <IP_ADDRESS> 80)
[00:20] <newpy> (ubuntu on windows subsystem for linux)
[00:21] <OerHeks> did you run apt get update first?
[00:21] <newpy> oerheks, gonna do a clean install of WSL and try again
[00:22] <OerHeks> sudo apt install gcc # should do it
[00:22] <newpy> ah ok
[00:22] <newpy> what's the # do?
[00:22] <newpy> or is that just to comment the rest of your line? ;p
[00:23] <OerHeks> after # it is just text
[00:23] <OerHeks> no harm in copying it
[00:24] <OerHeks> there is a dedicated wsl channel here on #freenode
[00:24] <newpy> OerHeks, ic I just joined ##linux and ##ubuntu, wasn't sure where to take it
[00:25] <OerHeks> np
[00:48] <MagicCheese3755> I have emacs 25.2.2 installed, I would like to install a previous version. What is the easiest way to do this?
[00:51] <SlidingHorn> MagicCheese3755: You'd likely have to find the old release source and build it.  Just note that this would not be supported here, and may not be supported by GNU at all, either.  I'm not sure if emacs does LTS releases or something like that.
[00:51] <Bliepo> Quick question: what is the recommended way to upgrade the kernel (I have some issues with hardware)? Install from backports? Just install the version I like?
[00:51] <ikonia> don't need to rebuild it
[00:51] <ikonia> just pin the version
[00:51] <ikonia> be aware that it may block depending packages from updates too
[00:52] <ikonia> Bliepo: upgrade from what to what
[00:52] <OerHeks> emacs 22-2 good ol times https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/
[00:52] <ikonia> Bliepo: and how sure are you a kernel change will resolve your problem
[00:53] <OerHeks> maybe HWE is a help
[00:53] <ikonia> again depends what the problem is
[00:53] <ikonia> and how the conclusion that a kernel change is needed has been reached
[00:53] <Bliepo> ikonia: from the current 18.10 kernel to whatever is newest and I´m pretty sure it won´t fix the issue, but this is a new install that I don´t mind wrecking
[00:54] <ikonia> if you're sure it won't fix the issue why do it
[00:54] <OerHeks> Bliepo, on what ubuntu version, and the troubled hardware would help too
[00:54] <TJ-> Bliepo: I'm running on v4.20 without issues so far
[00:54] <ikonia> why not work towards something that will fix the issue
[00:54] <TJ-> !mainline | Bliepo
[00:55] <Bliepo> Well, specifically, I´m having issues with an AMD athlon 200GE that shows some video tearing
[00:55] <TJ-> I've just finished building 4.20 with some of my own patches in, about to test it
[00:55] <ikonia> Bliepo: ok, what have you done to debug it
[00:55] <Bliepo> Installed the latest mesa using the oibaf repository
[00:55] <ikonia> why did you do that
[00:56] <ikonia> what pointed you at that solution
[00:56] <Bliepo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1070956/how-well-do-amd-raven-ridge-apus-work-with-linux-now
[00:57] <Bliepo> TJ-: thanks, I will look into that. Good to know it´s stable for you - useful info.
[00:57] <ikonia> just reading through that thread
[00:58] <ikonia> Bliepo: what version of ubuntu are you actually on now ?
[00:58] <Bliepo> xubuntu 18.10, Cosmic Cuttlefish
[00:59] <ikonia> so you're already on 18.10, yet some guys are saying 18.10 is working just fine for them already
[00:59] <ikonia> and 18.10 already comes with 4.18
[00:59] <ikonia> so the other post says you need to "change to 4.18" - well, you're already there
[01:00] <ikonia> Bliepo: is the video problems in general or just in one specific app ?
[01:00] <Bliepo> ikonia: I must admit I only tried VLC
[01:00] <ikonia> Bliepo: see where I'm going with this....
[01:00] <ikonia> that thread feels a bit random
[01:01] <Bliepo> I sure do - I´ll do some additional testing
[01:01] <ikonia> and it doesn't feel from the limited info you've got so far that your approach to debugging is sane,
[01:01] <ikonia> that thread worries me as it's showing your system should work out of the box - if the info in that thread is valid (which I'm not sure it is as a generic reference)
[01:02] <ikonia> Bliepo: try to work it through a bit more and target a solution (or at best understand the problem) people in here and a few other channels with specific knowledge can help if you neeed it
[01:02] <Bliepo> ikonia: I´ll do that. Thanks for helping out
[01:03] <ikonia> Bliepo: ask if you need help, some solid people in here and some specialist channels too
[01:11] <snowgoggles> Blie
[01:13] <OerHeks> Bloi
[01:33] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[01:33] <OnkelTem> Guys, I cannot get Zoom H4 working with Linux
[01:33] <OnkelTem> on Windows it connects just fine and new audio appears
[01:33] <OnkelTem> on Linux I cannot locate no new microphones
[01:35] <OnkelTem> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NNZ68ZFNnm/
[01:35] <OnkelTem> This is what I see in syslog
[01:37] <OnkelTem> Does it mean anything bad for you? Those unhandled udev messages.. not sure is it ok
[01:37] <OnkelTem> oops, sorry, that's not udev's
[01:44] <quem> installed ubuntu on my new zenbook ux433fn, and there's no sound. this seems to be the issue; https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1022579/
[01:45] <quem> it's been over a decade since i last compiled a kernel, so i'm a bit wary about applying the patch and giving it a go.
[01:47] <quem> now i need a gentle push in the right direction, and possibly some guidance.
[01:47] <quem> ;)
[01:48] <jesse1010> what are some possible reasons I get a flashing green screen on my monitor?
[01:48] <jesse1010> it happened in fedora too
[02:05] <tacomaster> Why is it really that ubuntu does not have antivirus. I get that you for the most part are not installing software from websites and the software has been tested before it goes into the repos. But in windows you also have things like remote code execution from vulnerable software. How is ubuntu not affected by malware even though it has so much of the server space that it has.
[02:06] <tacomaster> If my question needs to go to offtopic I will gladly move
[02:09] <tacomaster> Because I know for a fact that linux has malware written for it. I mean even if you go to major antivirus company threat encyclopedia's there is csv's for linux malware
[02:14] <Wonny> Hey guys I am running the latest version of Ubuntu and I came upon this problem
[02:15] <Wonny> Upon start up after I enter my decryption password, Ubuntu remains on a black screen. The only way for me to get out of the black screen is by plugging something into the HDMI
[02:15] <SnowyBoop> tacomaster: Antivirus doesn't come by default because Linux viruses are so rare that you are more likely to be hit by a meteorite. For those that need it, ClamAV is easily installed.
[02:16] <SnowyBoop> Most viruses for Linux are specifically targeted at a single system. In which case, an antivirus isn't going to help much.
[02:18] <tacomaster> SnowyBoop: I mean if you look at the threat encyclopedia for trend micro the first 3 things listed are all linux
[02:19] <tacomaster> Don't get be wrong I am not trying to say that it is so rampant but I know this stuff is out there. And to my knowledge clamav is mostly just looking for windows viruses right?
[02:20] <SnowyBoop> If you read those, they are embedded linux devices.
[02:21] <SnowyBoop> In which case, they are likely running unmaintained code and the manufacturer's solution is probably something along the lines of "won't fix, buy a new device lol".
[02:21] <tacomaster> I mean for the most part linux is linux. All the same kernel but you can have different stuff enabled. Most of the software is shared across from linux and bsd
[02:21] <tacomaster> Ok so you think this is more of just one company having closed source code
[02:22] <SnowyBoop> Embedded Linux is an entirely different landscape than desktop or server Linux.
[02:22] <SnowyBoop> Desktop and server distributions will receive regular updates and generally be fairly secure.
[02:23] <SnowyBoop> Embedded distributions are largely custom, often receive very infrequent updates, and often missing core services that would be present on servers/desktops.
[02:24] <tacomaster> SnowyBoop: Sorry for so many questions. I was just really intrested in linux and wanted to try it out. I have always heard that you don't need antivirus but never knew why
[02:25] <SnowyBoop> Yeah, as I say, antivirus isn't common on desktop/servers because Linux viruses are fairly rare for those distributions, and software is updated so frequently that vulnerabilities tend not to exist for long.
[02:25] <SnowyBoop> What would take Microsoft a few weeks, the Linux community would fix overnight and probably have deployed within a few days.
[02:26] <kk4ewt> linux doesnt have viruses as such, now rootkits
[02:26] <kk4ewt> are known in linux
[02:27] <Wonny> kk4ewt, Linux doesn't have viruses?
[02:27] <kk4ewt> no
[02:27] <kk4ewt> linux doesnt have viruses
[02:27] <tacomaster> Yes it does. I can show you the detections from major antivirus companys
[02:27] <geard> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware
[02:28] <SlidingHorn> Wonny: well, not so much as they are more proof of concept hacks that are not "in the wild" so to speak
[02:28] <SlidingHorn> To say there
[02:28] <SlidingHorn> "aren't viruses" is a little misleading, but *in effect* is still relatively accurate
[02:29] <tacomaster> I know there are trojans for linux as well.
[02:31] <Johne> im getting a bash not found error when running https://install.pi-hole.net
[02:31] <snowgoggles> tacomaster: no system is 100% secure. so what is your real concern?
[02:31] <kk4ewt> if you are running a samba share yes you can to scan it for viruses so the server is not distrubuting to the other users
[02:31] <Johne> it's a path issue right?
[02:31] <SlidingHorn> Johne: what version & flavor of ubuntu are you using?
[02:32] <tacomaster> snowgoggles: academic reason. I work for a security firm and was learning about linux. Wanted to get down to reasons other than the "Security by obscurity" excuse.
[02:32] <Johne> mate
[02:32] <tacomaster> kk4ewt: https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/ph/security/news/cybercrime-and-digital-threats/cryptocurrency-mining-malware-targets-linux-systems-uses-rootkit-for-stealth
[02:33] <tacomaster> kk4ewt: That is another document showing that linux malware really is a thing
[02:33] <Johne> bionic
[02:34] <SlidingHorn> Johne: Could you please pastebin your exact command and error
[02:35] <quem> does anyone know of a way of locking the fn key?
[02:35] <Johne> SlidingHorn, sure
[02:36] <SlidingHorn> quem: take a look at the top two answers here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/818413/how-can-i-toggle-the-fn-function-key
[02:38] <geard> i am having an issue with Ubuntu(16.04) nginx. It is running on a vmware ESXi host the network is getting saturated during a load test. I have made changeds "net.core.netdev_max_backlog = 65536
[02:38] <geard> net.ipv4.tcp_max_syn_backlog = 10240
[02:38] <geard> net.core.somaxconn = 1024
[02:38] <geard> sorry for the multiline
[02:38] <Johne> SlidingHorn: https://pastebin.com/vz1PcYLZ
[02:52] <SlidingHorn> Johne: how exactly did you install Ubuntu MATE 18.04?
[02:52] <jaydemir> is there a way to rip iso images off a DVD into a file I can put into a boot drive?
[02:52] <jaydemir> I have a bunch of laptops with no cd drive
[02:58] <SlidingHorn> jaydemir: https://askubuntu.com/a/226933/474173 - take a look
[03:03] <k_sze[work]> I installed kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-full a while ago to test out kubuntu, but didn't like it.
[03:03] <Certificate> trying to connect to a school wireless network...they're asking for a 'thawte primary root ca' and I dunno what that is or how to get it.
[03:03] <k_sze[work]> I now get a kubuntu splash animation when I boot
[03:04] <k_sze[work]> how can I revert that to the GNOME one?
[03:04] <Certificate> here is the reference page I'm looking at https://cnc.ucr.edu/wireless/ucrwpa_eduroam_linux.html
[03:07] <SlidingHorn> k_sze[work]: try using   sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth   and select the one you'd like
[03:10] <SlidingHorn> Certificate: did you get your certificate from the link in step 1?
[03:10] <Certificate> yes but when I point to it it still won't connect so I'm wondering what they mean by the primary certificate
[03:11] <Certificate> I don't know what they mean by install it to certificate store. I just downloaded it and pointed to it in the dropdown
[03:16] <SlidingHorn> Certificate: I'm not 100% sure this is the correct solution, but see here: https://askubuntu.com/a/94861/474173
[03:17] <SlidingHorn> Certificate: (note the last 2 lines...you might have a .pem, so you'll need to convert if so)
[03:17] <Certificate> it shows the pem in the example image though
[03:18] <fareast> ok so I am running gnome 3.3 I have it pretty much customized up as much as I can go to my liking what are your guys thoughts? I was going to go cinnamon but decided to stick with gnome...
[03:20] <fareast> only problem is my vitals extension not showing fan speed, storage controller and voltage. I guess I am missing dependancies?
[03:21] <eraserpencil1> hi, is there anyone who could help me with connecting two sensors with ethernet interfaces to my computer? I can only connect to one at a time and not both simultaneously despite having the same subnet. I am on Ubuntu
[03:21] <SlidingHorn> eraserpencil1: If you have an issue getting an answer here, you can also try in #networking
[03:21] <fareast> what is the sensors?
[03:21] <fareast> I do some networking.
[03:22] <fareast> what are they?
[03:22] <fareast> my first guess would be assign static ip addressing to both.
[03:23] <eraserpencil1> they are sensors from SICK. connects through ethernet. One is at <IP_ADDRESS>, the othe is at <IP_ADDRESS>0. Throught the GUI of NM, i have an ethernet connection at <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:23] <fareast> 300 isn't possible
[03:23] <eraserpencil1> <IP_ADDRESS>0 =<PHONE_NUMBER>
[03:23] <eraserpencil1> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:23] <fareast> top address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:23] <fareast> i think correct me if I am wrong.
[03:23] <eraserpencil1> i typo-ed.
[03:24] <fareast> ?
[03:24] <fareast> you mean 020 and 030
[03:24] <eraserpencil1> i had a typing error for <IP_ADDRESS>0. I meant to type <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:24] <fareast> or <IP_ADDRESS> and 002
[03:25] <fareast> <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:25] <fareast> that is the most you can go
[03:25] <fareast> stop at 255
[03:25] <fareast> if you are at 300 that is problem
[03:26] <fareast> try using 200 and 201
[03:26] <fareast> subnet mask <IP_ADDRESS> and gateway of <IP_ADDRESS> I suppose
[03:26] <fareast> or whatever the gateway
[03:27] <eraserpencil1> fareast: you mean to set one at 200 and the other at 201? and my ip at 100?
[03:27] <eraserpencil1> yea <IP_ADDRESS> is correct
[03:27] <eraserpencil1> is gateway needed?
[03:28] <fareast> yes
[03:28] <eraserpencil1> i currently dont have gateway and it works fine
[03:28] <fareast> whatever your router is set to
[03:28] <fareast> ok never mind
[03:28] <fareast> no gateway if you don't need internet or your are just bringing it in direct to the computer
 Johne: how exactly did you install Ubuntu MATE 18.04?
[03:28] <fareast> only gateway if you are doing some internet or intranet
[03:29] <Johne> VirtualBox  64 bit ISO
[03:29] <fareast> so using a program on the computer for it to connect to with specified ip you should be fine
[03:29] <eraserpencil1> but but if my sensors are now at 200, 100 and i am at 50... it should work right?
[03:29] <fareast> anything from 1-255
[03:30] <eraserpencil1> fareast: that is the current config but i cant connect to more than 1 at a time
[03:30] <fareast> as long as you don't have something on the same network like a 3rd ip wifi or hardwire
[03:30] <fareast> you don't want an ip conflict
[03:30] <Overman> What IRC clients do y'all use on Ubuntu?
[03:30] <eraserpencil1> no ip conflict
[03:30] <SlidingHorn> Johne: what happens if you     sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade    then   sudo apt install bash
[03:30] <Johne> irssi
[03:30] <fareast> what is it called again?
[03:31] <fareast> sensors from sick
[03:31] <fareast> let me look it up
[03:31] <eraserpencil1> OLS10 and SICK_TIM571
[03:31] <Johne> SlidingHorn: let me do that again
[03:31] <SlidingHorn> Overman: more of a question for #ubuntu-offtopic or maybe #ubuntu-discuss
[03:31] <Overman> SlidingHorn, roger. Sorry.
[03:32] <outernational> howdy. could i get some help with https://serverfault.com/questions/947503/ubuntu-vpn-gateway-conf-iptables-rules-proxyarp
[03:33] <SlidingHorn> outernational: That's another one that might get better answers in #networking (not saying you won't get one in here, though)
[03:33] <fareast> what platform are you connecting with ubuntu?
[03:33] <eraserpencil1> platform?
[03:33] <fareast> operating system
[03:33] <eraserpencil1> 16.04
[03:34] <fareast> i would try to login https
[03:34] <fareast> just do an https://<IP_ADDRESS> in your web browser
[03:34] <Cybergrad> @SlidingHorn those commands would update the list of software from the software repositories, then upgrade all packages to the most recent version without breaking dependencies (I believe; check the man by typing 'man apt' and reading about the upgrade command) and then it would install the bash package.
[03:34] <Johne> bash is already the newest version (4.4.18-2ubuntu1).
[03:34] <eraserpencil1> unable to connect
[03:35] <fareast> I am not too familiar with these type of sensors.
[03:35] <fareast> maybe use a router
[03:35] <Cybergrad> @Johne Oh, sorry was it you that needed help with those commands? I'm not an apt wizard, but in that case it is as stated. The repository does not have a more recent version for you to download and install.
[03:35] <fareast> plug them into a router
[03:35] <eraserpencil1> it just does not make sense...
[03:36] <SlidingHorn> Cybergrad: they're trying to set up a pi-hole, and got a "command 'bash' not found" when they ran the 1-step curl install
[03:36] <fareast> well you might be restricted with what you have unless you do some deeper configs
[03:36] <`dw> hi. i have a (small) patch against gnome-terminal's source package for 18.04. i've just upgraded to 18.10 and would like to track that patch properly. i tried pulling the package's git repo from launchpad.net, but the tree from the origin source package that i hacked has no bearing to anything it contains. any clue?
[03:36] <JustAPerson> How can convince the linux scheduler to move processes between cores more often? I have many threads (more than CPU cores) that run for several minutes each but the scheduler often lets many of my cores sit idle
[03:36] <eraserpencil1> so the computer has 4 ethernet ports
[03:36] <fareast> i would just cable 1 of your lans into router and set the statics on the devices
[03:36] <fareast> then see if you can access both
[03:36] <fareast> from what i was looking on the website they look like they had apps that run off tablet.
[03:37] <Johne> closest I've seen to my issue is this
[03:37] <Johne> https://www.unix.com/shell-programming-and-scripting/184963-bash-not-found-error.html
[03:37] <fareast> in that case you would want to hand them off to a router or a switch hooked into a router.
[03:37] <fareast> whichever the situation I think you could create your own network route to host the equipment on tho.
[03:37] <outernational> SlidingHorn: thanks!
[03:38] <fareast> just a thought.
[03:38] <fareast> if you are worried about security just don't use wifi on the router.
[03:38] <eraserpencil1> i believe in the second one
[03:38] <fareast> and don't uplink internet./
[03:39] <SlidingHorn> Johne: (putting aside the fact that I don't like piping a curl directly into bash) try replacing "bash" in their command with "/bin/bash/"
[03:39] <SlidingHorn> (without that last slash, actually)
[03:43] <Johne> bow it's running
[03:44] <Johne> you're a gentleman and a scholar
[03:44] <Johne> now*
[03:46] <tacomaster> I was wondering. I just installed ubuntu 18.10 on my machine. The try ubuntu before you installed worked perfectly but now after install I get a black screen on one of my monitors after login. It just so happens to be my main monitor with all the gnome taskbar and everything. I have just opened a termal so I can open firefox with out the icon. I have an intel intagrated video card.
[03:48] <Cybergrad> In Ubuntu 18.10 Gnome To Do, setting priority doesn't work. Only while a tasks details are expanded can you set a priority level, but when focus is lost the priority setting defaults to none.
[03:48] <tacomaster> I was reading that disabling fast boot seems to fix it but I do not have an option to disable fastboot on my machine. I have a minimal, intensive, or auto for my fast boot settings. Also I have seen that upgrading to 4.19 fixes the issue but wanted to make sure before I start changing the software that talks to all my hardware.
[03:50] <tacomaster> plus my machine showed on the ubuntu site to have a pre-installed certification to verify that everything would work
[03:53] <kinghat> anyone played with https://tmate.io/?
[04:02] <ogrgkyle> I have two hard drives in my computer: a NMVE SSD that cannot be booted by my BIOS, and another hard drive that can be booted.  I want to install Lubuntu on the non-bootable SSD.  Can I install Grub on the bootable drive?
[04:03] <tacomaster_> Ok I figured out disabling wayland fixes the issue. Is there any benifit to using wayland over xorg?
[04:04] <ogrgkyle> If not, what is the best way with my setup to boot into the NVME drive?
[04:06] <JustAPerson> How can I increase linux scheduler work stealing? I'm seeing a lot of idle cores in the same numa node while I have a very high loadavg
[04:09] <tomreyn> ogrgkyle: yes you can install grub to the bootable drive instead
[04:11] <SlidingHorn> Johne: are you using Linux Mint?
[04:11] <ogrgkyle> tomreyn: i tried this a few different ways: installing lubuntu, i selected the "something else" option and chose /dev/sda (the other drive) as the place to install the bootloader. that didn't work. then i tried making a partition for it (/dev/sda1) and re-running the installer, and that completed but wouldn't boot.  then i tried installing without a bootloader, then running a live CD and installing grub to the second drive using boot-repair, and that
[04:11] <ogrgkyle> didn't work.
[04:12] <yao_ziyuan> if i want to use ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS but wants the latest gimp (2.10.x), what should i do?
[04:12] <xamithan> find a ppa or go source
[04:13] <ogrgkyle> tomreyn: just now in the lubuntu live cd, i tried: sudo grub-install /dev/sda, and got this: grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of 'aufs'.
[04:14] <tomreyn> ogrgkyle: this sounds like ads is actually the live 'cd'?
[04:15] <tomreyn> *sda
[04:15] <tomreyn> ogrgkyle: is this a classic bios or uefi?
[04:15] <ogrgkyle> tomreyn: maybe, but how could it be for the live dvd?  i know it's the secondary hard drive.
[04:16] <ogrgkyle> tomreyn: uefi.
[04:17] <tomreyn> ogrgkyle: uefi, then you need the ESP on the bootable drive, and grub, too. everything else can go to the nvme
[04:17] <ogrgkyle> tomreyn: okay, what's the ESP?  sorry, I'm somewhat new to this.
[04:18] <tomreyn> efi system partition. a ~500 MB partition flagged 'esp' and 'boot', with a fat32 file system
[04:18] <ogrgkyle> can i do this in the lubuntu setup?  i didn't see a flags option
[04:20] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how the desktop installer does this. it probably does, but it may not expose it. if you want to set things up yourself i suggest you use the alternative server installer.
[04:21] <ogrgkyle> server installer...?
[04:21] <tomreyn> but do create gpt partition tables on all stroages before you start the installer.
[04:22] <tomreyn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.1/release/ubuntu-18.04.1-server-amd64.iso
[04:23] <ogrgkyle> does that exist for lubuntu?  haven't found it so far
[04:27] <ogrgkyle> tomreyn: if not, maybe i'll try your link.  thanks for the help
[04:27] <tomreyn> ogrgkyle: you'd install the server first, then lubuntu-desktop after installation
[04:28] <tomreyn> gtg, sleep, good luck!
[04:28] <ogrgkyle> thanks!
[04:29] <Certificate> so I'm having trouble connecting to my schools wireless network using these instructions https://cnc.ucr.edu/wireless/ucrwpa_eduroam_linux.html I've tried moving the certificate around I've tried installing it I've tried pointing in the menu to the root certificate they mention
[04:30] <aqd> does anyone notice non-drive volumes are not shown in chrome and other apps' gtk 3 file chooser? but shown in gtk 2 just fine
[04:31] <aqd> removable drives are visible, just not the custom volumes with x-gvfs-show, but they do show up on desktop and file manager...
[06:00] <positivefix> Hi there! Is this the right channel for questions related to ubuntu server? Or can someone point me in the right direction?
[06:02] <Kumool> ubuntu server questions go to #/dev/null
[06:05] <Kumool> positivefix: #ubuntu-server probably
[06:05] <Kumool> positivefix: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[06:05] <Kumool> for the entire channel list
[06:06] <SlidingHorn> positivefix: that's not to say you couldn't possibly get an answer here though
[06:06] <positivefix> Thanks Kumool, ubuntu-server seems right
[06:09] <positivefix> Oh yes, I'm on a fresh Ubuntu 16.04 install and I cannot get snapd to work. Running systemctl status snapd.service gives me this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KSw4D6W46H/
[06:10] <Kumool> gosh, why would you install a fresh version of 16.04?
[06:11] <positivefix> I mean.. I didn't install it. It came with the VPS and they didn't have 18.04 :/
[06:11] <Kumool> those bastards
[06:14] <OERIAS> Can someone help me as to why some applications that trigger the annoying AppArmor notifications no longer work?
[06:16] <positivefix> OERIAS, I am seeing that myself. snapd for me seems to fail with AppArmor thrown around in the logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X3V63Ys8nY/
[06:16] <positivefix> Related?
[06:20] <OERIAS> positivefix, yes
[06:20] <OERIAS> and it is annoying because this is not just happening on one machine but on all five of them
[06:40] <qwebirc95665> Hi, i want an virtual android on my ubuntu. is this possible without virtualbox?
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc95665: you can try the anbox
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc95665: you need to follow the install procedure from the anbox website if you want
[06:41] <qwebirc95665> virtualbox trys to install some drivers, and i should do some stuff in my bios (secure boot) otherwise virtual box dont work. does this apply to anbox too?
[06:42] <qwebirc95665> problem is i cant acces bios
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc95665: anbox is not virtualbox, you can just install on it on ubuntu
[06:43] <qwebirc95665> nice thx i will give it a try
[06:45] <qwebirc95665> nope dont work anbox want secureboot disabled too
[06:46] <qwebirc95665> sadly i'm unable to disable secureboot
[07:47] <phoenix_firebrd> Is there a solution to do encrypted backups to google drive?
[07:48] <zaggynl> rclone
[07:57] <phoenix_firebrd> zaggynl: any rclone frontend you can recommend
[07:58] <zaggynl> I've been using rclone browser
[07:59] <phoenix_firebrd> zaggynl: i will try that
[07:59] <phoenix_firebrd> zaggynl: thank you
[07:59] <zaggynl> https://github.com/mmozeiko/RcloneBrowser/releases
[07:59] <zaggynl> welcome
[08:00] <zaggynl> do note that it's not in active development
[08:05] <phoenix_firebrd> zaggynl: you mean the frontend or rclone itself?
[08:05] <zaggynl> frontend
[08:05] <zaggynl> https://github.com/mmozeiko/RcloneBrowser/issues/118
[08:06] <gde33> upgrade takes several hours it says, close all applications. Can I watch a movie?
[08:10] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: your processor model?
[08:10] <gde33> uhh old
[08:10] <gde33> Intel® Core™2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.50GHz × 4
[08:10] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: You can watch a movie, but that may slow the installation a little bit
[08:10] <capella> Damn Mines I-7700HQ
[08:11] <capella> Ah crap tabfail
[08:11] <capella> gde33 nick threw me
[08:12] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: also some libraries that are used by the movie player that are upgraded may not be written to the disk while in use. So there is no real problem in watching a movie i guess
[08:12] <qwebirc18258> Hey folks.  Anybody had an issue with a 1GB NIC auto-negotiating at 100Mbps?  Same PC dual booting Windows gets 1GB, ethtool shows it's 1GB capable, switch and cable are gigabit, confirmed iPerf gets GB speeds in Windows.  It's a Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411
[08:13] <gde33> phoenix_firebrd: you mean there might be a problem?
[08:13] <phoenix_firebrd> capella: pc master race are we?
[08:13] <qwebirc18258> Seems like a driver issue?
[08:14] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: If you properly shutdown the system or flush the disk after the  install properly then there wont be any problem, else for example the system crashes before doing those, then there might be problem
[08:14] <gde33> will the upgrade from 16 to 18 prompt me so that ill wake up to a not upgraded system?
[08:14] <gde33> ahh ok cool
[08:14] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: no probably your system wont boot
[08:15] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: because of a corrupt root partition or a corrupt library
[08:15] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: You are upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04?
[08:15] <gde33> yes, well... about to
[08:16] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: I usually watch movie or browser during install
[08:16] <phoenix_firebrd> browse
[08:16] <gde33> ill still have my laptop to buy a new computer if this one dies :P
[08:17] <gde33> thanks for the help sir
[08:17] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: you are welcome
[08:17] <VindianaJones> I've been Googling the heck out of this but can't seem to find a good solution
[08:29] <phoenix_firebrd> VindianaJones: solution for what?
[08:49] <okamis_> Running 18.04, I want to be able to tab-switch to my next terminal. But programs of same type are grouped together so instead it tabs to another program e.g. browser
[09:34] <alephnull> Where is the Xorg.0.log?
[09:34] <EriC^^> /var/log
[10:02] <Ool> 'locate file' can help, if you don't know
[10:11] <vlt> okamis_: You could try Alt + ^ (the key just above Tab)
[10:15] <okamis_> vlt: That works. I can roll with that. Though is there a way to disable this grouping functionality?
[10:24] <vlt> okamis_: I don't know. I don't use the default desktop environment.
[10:36] <SlidingHorn>  /j #lineageos
[10:37] <SlidingHorn> oops sorry
[10:37] <iomari> greetings, I just installed1
[10:38] <SlidingHorn> iomari: congrats :)  Have something you needed support with?
[10:38] <iomari> kubuntu 18.10 cosmic but the sources.list file isusing bionic repos. Is this normal?
[10:39] <iomari> can I replace "bionic" with "cosmic" and update?
[10:40] <tarzeau> iomari: i did that with sed -i s,bionic,cosmic,g /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:40] <iomari> tarzeau: any problems?
[10:40] <tarzeau> iomari: and even to disco (which is not released yet though). no for both
[10:40] <iomari> cool. thanks
[10:41] <tarzeau> i'm not using any PPAs or external repositories though. if you do, you could encounter problems
[10:41] <iomari> tarzeau: neither am i.thanks
[10:52] <sud0x3> Hi folks, anyone know if canonical have published a report of user donations? Wondering what the ration of users to donations might be.
[10:56] <tarzeau> sud0x3: i'd like to know as well
[11:01] <sud0x3> People saying that linux users are more than willing to pay for software but im not convinced at all, and dont know why people are saying this without proof.
[11:03] <ikonia> what does this have to do with ubuntu
[11:14] <Adi12341>  Hi guys! i hope you can help or point me in the right direction. I installed Ubuntu on a usb stick using persistency. I have a problem with booting though. After installing it, with the usb stick in, the computer loads grub and I can choose the OS. If I take out the USB, then the computer loads grub, but i can't choose the OS. I want that when i take out the USB, to have Windows and if I put the USB in, to load grub and choose
[11:16] <ikonia> could you give a better description than "can't choose the OS"
[11:20] <Mouzz> After upgrading 16.04 to 18.04 I can't connect to my (vpnc) VPNs anymore. It seems as if "/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-vpnc-auth-dialog" is missing?
[11:21] <tomreyn> Mouzz: is the NM plugin still installed?
[11:23] <Mouzz> tomreyn, Not installed and apt search does not return any pkg suggestion
[11:29] <Mouzz> tomreyn: This steered me in the right direction probably. I installed "network-manager-vpnc-gnome" (previously the pkg name without -gnome was sufficient) and I now have the nm-vpnc-auth-dialog file.
[11:29] <IniGit> hi
[11:30] <IniGit> when I press ctrl+k and go to document > target how do I specify there that the number of the chapoter should be shown in the link?
[11:30] <IniGit> the help button of this page is not helpful at all
[11:31] <tomreyn> Mouzz: this sounds correct, this package was also available for 16.04 so i'm surprised you didnt have this package installed previously. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=network-manager-vpnc-gnome
[11:31] <Mouzz> nm-applet can be used to set up the vpn now, but the new gnome interface still does not work (yet)
[11:32] <IniGit> The default is '1.2.4."Encrypt-to-Self"|outline' but this does not show the number
[11:35] <tomreyn> Mouzz: you may need to systemctl reload-or-restart NetworkManager.service
[11:35] <tomreyn> IniGit: which application are you inquiring about?
[11:36] <IniGit> libreoffice writer
[11:36] <IniGit> I do Hyperlink>Document
[11:36] <IniGit> then I specify a target
[11:37] <IniGit> and then I want that it show the text + chapter number of the target in the link text
[11:37] <IniGit> but I do not find informaiton how to to that. Btw when do I use hyperlinks and when cross references for document internal links?
[11:38] <IniGit> I know that cross references automatically update, but can this be achieved with hypyerlinks too?=
[11:38] <tomreyn> IniGit: this question might be a bit too application specific for someone to know the answer here. i suggest you you head over to  #libreoffice
[11:38] <IniGit> oobs
[11:39] <IniGit> sry I thought I am in #libreoffice
[11:39] <IniGit> I do not feel well today
[11:39] <IniGit> sry
[11:39] <tomreyn> maybe you are, but *this* channel is #ubuntu ;-)
[11:39] <tomreyn> no worries
[11:41] <Mouzz> tomreyn: An Ubuntu bug-report (comment) for 1725779 states a reboot might solve the problem. I'm just gonna try this so brb
[11:48] <hazrpg> Anyone got any suggestions as to how I can upgrade Ubuntu 16.04 install that has recently become unable to boot (goes straight into an initramfs console): https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/1800250
[11:50] <Mouzz> tomreyn: A reboot actually worked, where "systemctl rstart NetworkManager.service" didn't... Thanks for the pointers!
[11:50] <hazrpg> The problem I have is that the LiveUSB of 18.04 doesn't detect my install of 16.04 at all - so it doesn't offer an upgrade path from that. Using mount and chroot to the install doesn't allow me to do "do-release-upgrade" - it just fails. Any thoughts on what else I can try?
[11:51] <hazrpg> (the reason it propably can't detect it is because I have Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 on different partitions - I triple boot)
[11:56] <Mouzz> hazrpg: Have you tried adding kernel boot parameters (or whatever they are called) from the grub boot menu?
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:08] <visone> howdy
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> welcome visone how can we help you today?
[13:09] <visone> thanks but i don´t need any help
[13:09] <visone> just a nicely talk
[13:11] <visone> secong thougth
[13:12] <visone> anyone use systemback?
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> visone: best to ask your specific question to the channel, with all the details. volunteers can try to help
[13:13] <visone> ok, where can i find a version of systemback for a 18.4
[13:15] <ducasse> visone: if it's mot in the repos you're going to have to search for a ppa or other third party repo
[13:15] <ducasse> *not
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> !backup | visone alternate you can use
[13:16] <visone> i alredy did that, as far as i know there isn´t version for that dist
[13:16] <BluesKaj> visone, https://launchpad.net/systemback
[13:17] <visone> BluesKaj: not for a 18.4
[13:17] <visone> i already try that
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> visone: well we try to avoid adding external ppa's as much as possible, instead try out some packages from the official ubuntu repos
[13:18] <visone> i don´t wont a backup, i need make a live of mi install system
[13:18] <visone> lotuspsychje: me too, same outcome
[13:19] <visone> that`s why i ask about it
[13:19] <BluesKaj> !aptoncd
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> think they removed that on bionic BluesKaj
[13:21] <visone> i already use APTonCd but, i´m looking for another thing
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> visone: use at your own risk: https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-systemback-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-18-10
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | visone
[13:25] <visone> thanks, i´m gonna try the 16.4 version
[13:30] <visone> so far so good
[13:31] <visone> thak you so much¡
[13:32] <visone> i did not know that the version of 16.4 work as well in la 18.4
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> visone: if one day your dependecies mix up, remove it back with !ppapurge ok
[13:35] <visone> thanks, i know
[13:36] <BluesKaj> I for one am not convinced it will work in the long run even though it seems to now
[13:44] <sonOfRa> Is there a (semi)-official source to get more recent nvidia drivers?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> sonOfRa: yes, the ubuntu graphics ppa for nvidia
[13:44] <sonOfRa> I'm going to be purchasing an RTX-2070 soon and it requires the 41x.xx series of drivers, but my package sources for cosmic only have 390.87
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> sonOfRa: id go for the very latest drivers for that, yes
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> sonOfRa: maybe also higher kernels, but test with the drivers first
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> sonOfRa: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:45] <sonOfRa> Yep, found it. Thank you!
[13:49] <sonOfRa> 4.18 is relatively recent, it'll probably work
[13:51] <BluesKaj> 4.18 isn't listed in the above url
[14:05] <visone> the live works perfectly
[14:06] <ygk_12345> hi all
[14:06] <visone> hi¡
[14:07] <ygk_12345> how do I mention openvswitch bridges in netplan file in ubuntu 18 to persist after a reboot ?
[14:07] <ygk_12345> its not a linux bridge
[14:07] <ygk_12345> openvswitch bridge
[14:10] <ygk_12345> can anyone help me please
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> !patience | ygk_12345
[14:11] <ygk_12345> ok
[14:22] <nicomachus> hi all. I'm trying to get a wifi driver working for an rtl8821ce adapter. I've tried the rtlwifi-new fix from lwfingers, but when I modprobe it can't find the module. And then I double-checked and the rtlwifi-new fix doesn't have a module for 8821
[14:26] <nicomachus> well, it has 8821ae but not 8821ce
[14:29] <ikonia> ok ?
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: on wich kernel are you there?
[14:32] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: 4.15.0-43-generic
[14:34] <nicomachus> ikonia: I guess I didn't really ask a question there did I? My bad. I need to find a driver I suppose.
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: realtek can be picky about kernel versions, maybe try higher mainlines a bit and linux-firmware
[14:34] <ikonia> nicomachus: ok ? what does the documentation for that card say it needs for support under linux
[14:36] <nicomachus> ikonia: I can't find documentation. :D
[14:36] <ikonia> nicomachus: you see where I"m going with this.....
[14:36] <nicomachus> ikonia: not really
[14:40] <TJ-> nicomachus: first thing to do is identify the exact vendor:device ID using "lspci -nn" or, if USB, with "lsusb" - that is what drivers match on. It is called the 'modalias'
[14:42] <nicomachus> TJ-: [10ec:c821]?
[14:43] <TJ-> nicomachus: that's it; and if you use "modinfo -F alias module-name" it'll report all the modaliases that module will bind to
[14:44] <TJ-> nicomachus: or "modinfo -F alias path/to/module.ko"
[14:45] <ogrgkyle> I have a Nvidia Quadro 600.  I installed Lubuntu on my computer, and my 1920x1080 monitor displayed fine automatically.  I didn't even look at which driver I was using.  Then, because I was installing another card, I temporarily removed the graphics card and then placed in back in the computer.  After that, when I booted into Lubuntu, the resolution had shrunk.  I've reinstalled Lubuntu, but I still change the resolution to 1920x1090.
[14:45] <TJ-> nicomachus: also, there is a search I use for quickly identifying a matching module in an installed system, using "grep -i '10ec.*c821' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules*
[14:46] <ogrgkyle> *But I still can't change the resolution to 1920x1080.
[14:46] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: did you put the Nvidia GPU back into the same slot on the motherboard?
[14:47] <ogrgkyle> I have tried changing to various Nvidia drivers, but none have done anything more than slightly improving resolution.  I've tried manually adding the resolution but that hasn't worked so far.
[14:47] <ogrgkyle> TJ-: yes.
[14:48] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: there's 2 things to check. From what you've said the first sounds OK. 1) ar the nvidia proprietary drivers loaded 2) is the monitor's EDID being read correctly (which describes the modes it supports)
[14:48] <ogrgkyle> TJ-: In this whole process, I temporarily installed Windows 10, which ALSO could not correctly display the resolution.  Maybe that's helpful...
[14:48] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: for (2) you should read the Xorg log, usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but may be somewhere in $HOME for recent Gnome
[14:49] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: aha - that does sound like an external issue - check the monitor cable is correctly connected  and no bent pins. Is it connected using HDMI ?
[14:50] <ogrgkyle> TJ-: So bent pins could prevent a higher resolution but still allow the display to work...?
[14:50] <ogrgkyle> TJ-: okay, I will play around with that and see if I have success. thanks!
[14:50] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: depends on the connector. For VGA connectors it was a pretty common issue... the DDC pin getting bent so it didn't connect, which is used by VGA to talk to the monitor and get the EDID
[14:51] <ogrgkyle> TJ-: this is DVI, actually
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> ogrgkyle: can you tell us your driver in use currently?
[14:51] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: DVI has pins too, so worth checking
[14:51] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: but the Xorg.0.log is your source of authority so check it
[14:51] <ogrgkyle> TJ-: okay
[14:52] <ogrgkyle> lotuspsychje: X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver from xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (open source)
[14:52] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: you'd expect to see the log report an EDID found, and the modes it details.
[14:52] <ogrgkyle> TJ-: okay
[14:57] <Copenhagen_Bram> Why can't I find netsurf in my repos?
[14:58] <TJ-> Copenhagen_Bram: because it isn't there?
[14:58] <Copenhagen_Bram> It says online that netsurf is part of the universe repo, which I'm pretty sure is enabled. But apt search netsurf doesn't come up
[14:58] <Copenhagen_Bram> Oh, so netsurf is for 18.10 but not 18.04?
[14:59] <TJ-> !info netsurf
[14:59] <TJ-> !info netsurf cosmic
[15:02] <ogrgkyle> TJ-: solved the issue.  it worked once i removed a dvi extension cable, selected the nvidia driver, and rebooted.
[15:02] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: yay!
[15:03] <TJ-> ogrgkyle: always check the connections/cables first, especially if those have recently been fiddled with :)
[15:03] <ogrgkyle> TJ- lotuspsychje: thanks
[15:03] <ogrgkyle> yeah
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: just wondering, was that realtek wifi working on the liveusb?
[15:04] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: I honestly didn't even check, but I just got it working.
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> nice1, what did you solve nicomachus
[15:04] <nicomachus> using this repo for the driver and a dkms install: https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce
[15:05] <nicomachus> (it has a script for the dkms install which actually worked)
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> cool, alot of realtek gits out there to test
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> too bad, its not implemented by default
[15:06] <nicomachus> looks like this a pretty darn new driver.
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: maybe if you have time to, place a new bug for that chipset?
[15:07] <nicomachus> which is why it didn't raise any red flags while I was shopping like the other common pesky realtek drivers do...
[15:07] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: I'll get on it, sure.
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[15:07] <TJ-> realtek code is difficult; it tries to do what the nvidia driver does. Provide a common core for all OSes and add  hardware abstraction layer for Linux, Windows, etc.
[15:08] <nicomachus> this laptop has nvideo too. LOL
[15:08] <nicomachus> nvidia*
[15:09] <ekarlso> Hi guys, anyone here using ubuntu on any newer lenovo laptop like the p52, p1 or x1 extreme ? I am having issues with it shutting down due to thermals
[15:19] <TJ-> ekarlso: try adding an appropriate acpi_osi=  See http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[15:21] <legreffier> ekarlso: after waking up from suspend ?
[15:22] <legreffier> ekarlso: try upgrading the firmware, they corrected many things regarding hibernation
[15:22] <legreffier> (using a x1/6th gen here)
[15:34] <ramsub07> Hi, i've nearly 6 million images and would like to move it on to my HDD from the SSD. I am presently compressing using tar and then moving using mv, then deleting the traces of the directories in the SSD. All this to circumvent the error thrown by mv for having too many files. Is there a simpler or cleaner way to do this?
[15:35] <ikonia> ramsub07: a while loop
[15:35] <ramsub07> ikonia: i don't get you?
[15:36] <leftyfb> and use rsync to do the move/removal
[15:36] <ikonia> ramsub07: create a while loop to move the files, or as leftyfb use an appropriate tool
[15:36] <ramsub07> leftyfb: an example please?
[15:36] <ikonia> man rsync
[15:37] <legreffier> the gzip makes quite some sense for moving many small file
[15:39] <leftyfb> ramsub07: rsync -av /path/to/source /path/to/destination/
[15:40] <ramsub07> leftyfb: will this automatically remove the data from the source?
[15:40] <leftyfb> ramsub07: no, but there's a parameter in the man page that will do it
[15:40] <leftyfb> ramsub07: personally, I wouldn't delete until after I knew everything worked 100%
[15:41] <leftyfb> unless you don't care about those 6 million images
[15:41] <ramsub07> leftyfb: basically in mv, if there is any mistake, the data  would be spread across and there wouldn't be any loss, right ?
[15:42] <leftyfb> ramsub07: that's not how technology and murphy's law works
[15:42] <ramsub07> lol
[15:42] <leftyfb> again, if you don't care about the data, sure go with whatever
[15:44] <legreffier> ramsub07: mv across volumes will basically cp and rm after.
[15:44] <ramsub07> legreffier: right!
[15:58] <Gasher> hi everyone. I'm using Ubuntu 18.10 Budgie on my machine. I used to use the integrated Intel GPU, but yesterday I bought the RX590. now, if I want to boot to Ubuntu, I'm getting a black screen and cannot switch the tty
[15:59] <Gasher> if I run the distro from livecd, it works
[16:04] <RandomSerb> hi. I had windows 10 installed, then I installed ubuntu, and I got 4 options in grub boot loader, as expected. after some time, windows started crashing, so I reinstalled it. After I did, it worked again as expected. Restarted once more to confirm, everything good. Booted into Ubuntu, to change grub so that windows is default choice, restarted. Windows was indeed default choice, but is now stuck again on the loading screen
[16:04] <RandomSerb> what could be the problem here?
[16:05] <Gasher> RandomSerb, crashing as bluescreening?
[16:06] <RandomSerb> Gasher, my mistake, not crashing, refusing to go past loading screen
[16:07] <RandomSerb> not my computer, so I though it was actually crashing
[16:07] <Gasher> RandomSerb, sounds like a Windows problem to me. please check the drive's smart data to see if it's alright
[16:07] <Gasher> I had issues like that only with machines with bad sectors
[16:07] <EriC^^> RandomSerb: maybe try asking in ##windows
[16:08] <EriC^^> Gasher: try booting with nomodeset and install the driver for your card
[16:09] <RandomSerb> actually, I left it unattended, and it loaded after 10-ish minutes
[16:10] <RandomSerb> so, bad sectors most likely? I think it wouldn't load at all if it was for bad sectors
[16:10] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | Gasher
[16:10] <Gasher> okay thanks
[16:10] <Gasher> will try
[16:11] <EriC^^> RandomSerb: maybe it's doing some updates?
[16:27] <Gasher> hello, I asked about the black screen with RX590 a few minutes ago. nomodeset worked, I booted, installed all mesa packages and added a ppa with the latest ones. the black screen issue still occurs without nomodeset
[16:27] <ioria> Gasher, what ppa ? oibaf
[16:28] <OerHeks> Gasher, obviously you need nomodeset
[16:28] <Gasher> ioria, yes
[16:29] <Gasher> OerHeks, it would be better if I could get a normal experience, with my full resolution for example
[16:29] <ioria> Gasher, can you open a console now ?
[16:29] <Gasher> yup
[16:29] <Gasher> I'm in the system
[16:29] <ioria> Gasher, what ubuntu version ?
[16:29] <EriC^> Gasher: try booting without nomodeset, then boot into recovery shell and upload Xorg.0.log
[16:29] <Gasher> ioria, 18.10 budgie
[16:30] <ioria> Gasher, you can paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999  ....but if you try to restart gdm ?
[16:30] <Gasher> EriC^, can't I do it from the nomodeset boot? also, what do you mean by a recovery shell? another tty?
[16:31] <ioria> Gasher,  are you on nomodeset atm ?
[16:31] <Gasher> yes
[16:31] <Gasher> ioria, the Budgie edition doesn't use gdm, lightdm I think
[16:32] <ioria> Gasher,  ok, so you have a gui
[16:32] <Gasher> I can see my xorg.0.log, it's not too long
[16:32] <Gasher> yup
[16:32] <ioria> Gasher,  paste  lspci -nnk
[16:32] <EriC^> Gasher: nah when you boot with nomodeset it might overwrite it
[16:32] <Gasher> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Xcb9H6rBMQ/
[16:33] <EriC^> Gasher: recovery shell is the root shell in the recovery mode in grub, advanced > recovery then start networking > drop to root shell and type "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999" it'll upload it for you and giv a link
[16:33] <Gasher> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/n4s9tKkKdH/
[16:34] <ioria> Gasher,  cat /proc/cmdline   (you can paste here)
[16:34] <Gasher> okay EriC^ , I'll do it after exhausting the other options
[16:34] <Gasher> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.18.0-13-generic root=UUID=23cc1874-5d45-47db-aa62-3026ee03c657 ro nomodeset quiet splash
[16:35] <ioria> Gasher,  you said 590 ?
[16:35] <Gasher> ioria, yes
[16:36] <ioria> Gasher,  it reports 580
[16:36] <nbusrone> hi I need abit help for old ubuntu keyring issue https://pastebin.com/RuwfAWBF .GPG error
[16:37] <Gasher> ioria, 590 is a 580 on a lower nm process, I guess it just didn't get an update
[16:37] <ioria> Gasher,  the module amdgpu is loaded despite nomodeset ....
[16:38] <OerHeks> nbusrone, still not fixed? try changing mirror?
[16:38] <geard> hey guys, i'm having some issues with load testing against NGINX, when I hit the server with Jmeter I am getting
[16:38] <Gasher> ioria, what does this mean?
[16:38] <geard> sorry for the early enter there
[16:39] <ioria> Gasher,  no, it's ok ....
[16:39] <ioria> Gasher,  try to boot with  the  amdgpu.dc=1   parameter
[16:39] <EriC^> geard: that's what he said
[16:39] <dogmatic69> I am trying to set up dhcpd server but clients are not getting an IP, I can see in the logs the server gets the request though. Any ideas?
[16:39] <ioria> Gasher,  and without nomodesetù
[16:39] <geard> hey guys, i'm having some issues with load testing against NGINX, when I hit the server with Jmeter I am getting ~3Mbbits of through put using iperf, when not running the jemter I get ~9Gibts of through put.
[16:39] <geard> EriC^: :P
[16:39] <Gasher> ioria, the same way I set nomodeset?
[16:40] <ioria> Gasher,  yep
[16:40] <Gasher> thanks, rebooting now
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> geard: ubuntu-server?
[16:40] <geard> i believe my issue resides inthe Kernel but have no evidence to support this claim. do any of you have suggestions for tracking down this issue and resolving it.
[16:40] <geard> lotuspsychje: yeah Ubuntu 16.04, i shouldhave included that
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> geard: join #ubuntu-server please
[16:41] <TJ-> nbusrone: which keyring packages are installed? "dpkg -l '*keyring*' "
[16:49] <Gasher> ioria, I tried setting amdgpu.dc=1 where I previously set nomodeset, but the result was black screen again
[16:50] <ioria> Gasher,  try amdgpu.dpm=0   ,after that i suggest purging oibaf
[16:51] <Gasher> ioria, with or without nomodeset and dc?
[16:51] <ioria> Gasher,  without both
[16:51] <Gasher> okay
[16:51] <Gasher> brb then
[16:51] <nbusrone> OerHeks : nope , the last resort is remove the keyring.
[16:52] <nbusrone> TJ- : Around 80 "ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d | wc -l"
[16:52] <TJ-> nbusrone: how about the command I suggested?
[16:53] <Gasher> woohoo, worked ioria !
[16:53] <Gasher> thank you!
[16:53] <Gasher> what now? what does dpm do?
[16:53] <ioria> Gasher,  ok .... let's the see  Xorg.0.log now
[16:54] <Gasher> ioria, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/cZw9GjTHh7/
[16:55] <ioria> Gasher,  dpm is the power management
[16:56] <Gasher> yeah, for some reason the fans don't turn off when idle now
[16:57] <ioria> yep
[16:57] <Gasher> is that a dpm thing?
[16:59] <Gasher> ioria, should I just save the turning off of dpm, or can I perhaps fix it somehow?
[16:59] <ioria> Gasher,  fow now set /etc/default/grub with that parameter ... you know how ?
[17:00] <Gasher> ioria, will figure it out :p
[17:00] <nbusrone> TJ- : https://pastebin.com/RuwfAWBF my problem is public key.I manually added it but still the same
[17:00] <ioria> Gasher,  this line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"    ; simply add amdgpu.dpm=0   after splash and run  sudo update-grub
[17:01] <Gasher> yeah okay
[17:01] <Gasher> another reboot incoming
[17:01] <TJ-> nbusrone: I realise that; what I want to see is which keyring packages are installed
[17:02] <nbusrone> TJ- : how do I useyour commend again ?
[17:02] <Gasher> ioria, boots fine now, thanks a lot! what's next?
[17:03] <TJ-> nbusrone: "dpkg -l '*keyring*' | nc termbin.com 9999"
[17:03] <nbusrone> TJ- : I did manually install the public key http://opensourceforgeeks.blogspot.com/2013/04/w-gpg-error-httpppalaunchpadnet-precise.html
[17:04] <ioria> Gasher,  not much ... just remember you installed that ppa (you might have issues in future), you know how to purge it ?
[17:04] <OerHeks> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists # and update again ?
[17:04] <nbusrone> OerHeks : that is what I wanted to avoid removing.
[17:04] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[17:04] <OerHeks> nbusrone, that is harmless
[17:04] <Gasher> ioria, yup
[17:04] <Gasher> thanks
[17:05] <ioria> Gasher,  no problem
[17:05] <Gasher> the mesa driver is the best driver for amd on ubuntu now?
[17:05] <OerHeks> no keys are altered, just to make sure the lists are not corrupt itself
[17:05] <nbusrone> TJ- : https://pastebin.com/2QSPZNj2
[17:05] <TJ-> OerHeks: package lists are fine; issue is apt-key not having the key in the database
[17:05] <ioria> Gasher,  probably
[17:06] <OerHeks> TJ-, yes, he tried adding them again, yesterday, no luck
[17:06] <Gasher> by the way, I bought TP-LINK T9E wifi card, but it requires a proprietary driver. are there any good wifi solutions that work with Linux out of the box? PCI-E ones around 50 quid
[17:08] <TJ-> nbusrone: OK, so ubuntu-extras-keyring is installed so now we have to check if the keyring was added to apt: "ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/*extras*"
[17:16] <nbusrone> TJ- : ls: cannot access /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/*extras*: No such file or directory
[17:20] <TJ-> nbusrone: aha, so looks like the system is missing at least one. Let's put it and other missing keyrings back in place with "sudo cp /usr/share/keyrings/*.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/" then retry your apt commands
[17:29] <nbusrone> TJ- : the issue is still persist.https://pastebin.com/PkZRKWGa .I even try manually adding it http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/  0x40976EAF437D05B5 and save into a text key1 and sudo apt-key add key1
[17:29] <shibboleth> so, there has been no "main" security updates since monday before xmas
[17:29] <shibboleth> plenty upstream
[17:30] <shibboleth> any comment?
[17:30] <TJ-> nbusrone: actually no; the new pastebin shows the ubuntu-extras-keyring warning is no longer there
[17:30] <shibboleth> polkit, libarchive/extract, openssl, wireshark, etc etc
[17:31] <TJ-> nbusrone: so now all we need do is fix the 0x3B4FE6ACC0B21F32 key too
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> shibboleth: apt never lies
[17:32] <nbusrone> TJ- : I add all the key but non of it fix
[17:32] <shibboleth> lotuspsychje, that may be true but has no bearing on what i said
[17:33] <Wonny> Hey guys, why is Linux so strong against viruses?
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> shibboleth: security updates will come out, when they come out
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Wonny
[17:33] <shibboleth> sure, but why is ubuntu up to three weeks behind debian?
[17:34] <shibboleth> which is all community based...
[17:34] <nbusrone> TJ- : This 3 keys 0x3B4FE6ACC0B21F32 , 0x40976EAF437D05B5 , 0x3BDAAC08614C4B38
[17:34] <TJ-> nbusrone: show us "apt-key adv --list-keys | grep -C 2 ubuntu"
[17:36] <nbusrone> TJ- : Here is the list of all the key https://pastebin.com/b2P1VESj
[17:37] <tomreyn> shibboleth: this is a generic statement which you should provide references to to back up this claim. but not here, since it's not really an immediate support question (rather discussion about how security support works in different distros, and in ubuntu specifically).
[17:38] <TJ-> nbusrone: so the key is there: "pub   4096R/C0B21F32 2012-05-11"
[17:38] <shibboleth> tomreyn, that "can" be regarded as a lousy handwave. i get that it has been the holidays and all
[17:39] <tomreyn> shibboleth: there is #ubuntu-discuss
[17:40] <shibboleth> simply not acknowledging the premise of a question is what politicians do when they don't know the answer and think the listener is dumb enough to fall for it. ok. you don't know, so offtopic
[17:40] <shibboleth> thank you
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> shibboleth: we have seperate channels here for a reason
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> shibboleth: this channel is for support questions, not for polls
[17:41] <TJ-> nbusrone: Your problem is you've got 5 keys generating "gpg: keyblock resource ... resource limit" errors, so gpg is failing. You need to fix those issues
[17:42] <shibboleth> i wasn't asking what you think about netplan, i was asking if there was any known reason why there have been no main secupdates for over two weeks
[17:42] <shibboleth> anyway, i can read between the lines
[17:42] <shibboleth> thank you kindly
[17:42] <OerHeks> there were updates, shibboleth. maybe unattended
[17:42] <TJ-> nbusrone: this is Bug #1263540
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> shibboleth: you have been invited kindly to the discuss channel, were more info can be discussed for you
[17:44] <shibboleth> https://usn.ubuntu.com/
[17:44] <TJ-> nbusrone: According to comment #23 there gpg is limited to handling 40 keyring files
[17:44] <shibboleth> OerHeks,
[17:44] <TJ-> nbusrone: solution is to reduce the number of keyrings in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ to less than 40
[17:46] <nbusrone> TJ- : yeh , I mention before I had 80
[17:47] <nbusrone> TJ- : but I wonder , why does it limit to 40.Can limit be raise ?
[17:47] <TJ-> nbusrone: one solution is to add some 'essential' keys directly to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
[17:48] <TJ-> nbusrone: I have no idea, but the point of keyrings is to contain lots of keys, so the idea of having lots of keyrings is against the design intention of gpg
[17:48] <nbusrone> TJ- : Thanks I'll report back tomorrow , will try to remove most of the un needed key
[17:48] <nbusrone> TJ- : Thanks for all the help :)
[17:49] <TJ-> nbusrone: you could create a separate /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/my-trusted.gpg and add the extra keys into that, rather than to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg directly - to avoid poluting the primary apt keyrigh
[17:55] <OerHeks> shibboleth, my history.log.1 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KzfShCmSdh/
[18:00] <nbusrone> TJ- : Ok , will do it tomorrow :) thanks for the suggestion
[18:00] <TJ-> shibboleth: It would appear the Canonical security team were on holiday from Dec 21st
[18:28] <ekarlso> legreffier: TJ- uhm, tried that setting the acpi_osi now but it still goes straight to shutdown. how do you mean to update firmware? I have updated to latest bios already before I installed linux
[18:32] <ioria> Gasher, sy, afk .... what's the problem with wifi card ?
[18:33] <Gasher> ioria, I don't get the internet connection even on livecd
[18:33] <ioria> Gasher, it's plugged atm ?
[18:33] <Gasher> yeah
[18:34] <Gasher> I just installed the driver while on my old motherboard with integrated wifi
[18:34] <ioria> Gasher, can yo upaste again lspci -nnk
[18:34] <Gasher> but I'm afraid that it will be difficult to get those when I want to reinstall the distro for example
[18:34] <Gasher> ioria, right now with it working or on livecd?
[18:35] <ioria> Gasher, why are you on livecd ?
[18:35] <Gasher> ioria, I'm not
[18:35] <mDonchev_> ioria, Hello again. You helped me a week ago to fight with my nvidia drivers on my Ubuntu. Do you remmeber?
[18:35] <Gasher> just tested it on livecd
[18:35] <ioria> Gasher, ok, just paste lspci -nnk
[18:36] <ioria> mDonchev_, help me to recall ... :þ
[18:36] <Gasher> ioria, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7rTsvPr6rS/
[18:36] <mDonchev_> :) I had problems with installing nvidia-304 drivers  on my old asus motherboard
[18:36] <ioria> mDonchev_, oh, yes with the 4.15 kernel
[18:37] <mDonchev_> yes
[18:38] <mDonchev_> after using the default (not nvidia) drivers
[18:38] <ioria> mDonchev_,  wl is in use ;  check if  bcmwl-kernel-source   is correclty installed
[18:38] <mDonchev_> i was OK with my old 1280x1024 resolution
[18:38] <gusgg> My installation of Ubuntu 18.04 has the `import` command, at `/usr/bin/import`. I'm trying to find which package provides it (it's an imagemagick utility), but `dpkg-query -S $(which import)` returns nothing
[18:38] <ioria> Gasher,   wl is in use ;  check if  bcmwl-kernel-source   is correclty installed
[18:39] <mDonchev_> but I just got an old Belinea 19" monitor
[18:39] <mDonchev_> and now ubuntu cannot recognize it (it used to recognize the previous HP monitor)
[18:39] <mDonchev_> and therefore I get only 1024x768 resolution and of course everything looks quite blurry.
[18:41] <mDonchev_> and I cannot seem to find how to install "something" to make Ubuntu recognize the monitor and put a higher resolution to it
[18:41] <mDonchev_> also, important to mention is that my previous monitor was connected thru DVI and this Belinea has only VGA plug so I'm using a VGA cable for it
[18:42] <mDonchev_> if it makes a diference
[18:43] <ioria> mDonchev_,  what's the max resolution for that Balinea monitor ?
[18:43] <ioria> Gasher,   dpkg-l | grep   bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:44] <mDonchev_> Resolution 	1440x900
[18:44] <Gasher> ioria, it says dpkg-l was not found
[18:45] <ioria> Gasher,   dpkg  -l | grep   bcmwl-kernel-source
[18:45] <TJ-> mDonchev_: it sounds like an EDID issue - the system is not receiving the list of supported modes from monitor. check the Xorg.0.log for indications of whether/what EDID was discovered
[18:45] <Gasher> ioria, ii  bcmwl-kernel-source                           <IP_ADDRESS>1+bdcom-0ubuntu4           amd64        Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver source
[18:45] <ioria> Gasher,  ip a | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:46] <Gasher> https://termbin.com/wlp0
[18:47] <ioria> Gasher,  you are wifi connected right now ...
[18:48] <Gasher> ioria, yeah, I'm on my system where I am connected
[18:48] <Gasher> but I have no way to install the driver again on a reinstall
[18:50] <ioria> Gasher,  you install bcmwl-kernel-source ... maybe i lost you
[18:51] <mDonchev_> TJ-, can you tell me how to test that?
[18:51] <mDonchev_> TJ-, I remember running a command that listed the available modes
[18:52] <mDonchev_> and it was only 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768
[18:52] <mDonchev_> and that was it
[18:55] <mDonchev_> TD-, the model is this: Belinea 1925 S1W
[18:58] <mDonchev_> guys... any help?
[18:58] <mDonchev_> I will highly appreciate it
[18:58] <mDonchev_> want to get this thing up and running
[18:59] <SimonNL> mDonchev_: was it xrandr
[18:59] <mDonchev_> yes
[18:59] <mDonchev_> that's the command I was using
[19:01] <SimonNL> whats the highest resolution shown using that command
[19:05] <TJ-> mDonchev_: that list of resolutions looks like the default, driver-internal, SVGA list, not what the monitor has reported. As I said, you need to read the Xorg.0.log to see what, if any, EDID the monitor has reported
[19:06] <mDonchev_> TJ-, I'm a newbie on all these linux commands ... mostly a mac user with a knowledge of the main CLI commands
[19:06] <mDonchev_> but not that experienced
[19:07] <ioria> mDonchev_,  xrandr | pastebinit    might help
[19:12] <mDonchev_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w9y8HdYcMJ/
[19:13] <quality> Hi, I'm looking for a ppa which provides npm with version between 5.5.1 and 5.6.x
[19:14] <ioria> mDonchev_,   xrandr --output VGA-1 --auto
[19:17] <OerHeks> quality, there is none, hence the jump tp 5.8.x https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/npm
[19:19] <quality> OerHeks: okay, thx
[19:24] <senaps> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TqxWhm5j3r/ im using shutil.copy to copy all of the files in a folder to another folder. this code works on my ubuntu machine, but isn't working on my friends system(mac and ubuntu) and throws file not found error, while file is there. what can we do?
[19:26] <hackedhead> how do i register a new window manager in 18.04?
[19:27] <hackedhead> I just finished installing awesome as a deb package per the instructions on the awesome project's github readme
[19:27] <hackedhead> but it's not available as a selection on login
[19:27] <hackedhead> only ubuntu and ubuntu on wayland
[19:28] <tomreyn> senaps: this looks like a #python question
[19:28] <tomreyn> maybe your friend is missing some modules
[19:28] <tomreyn> some of which are packaged in ubuntu
[19:29] <tomreyn> we dont do mac support here, though
[19:29] <OerHeks> If it doesn't show up in the window manager list on the login screen edit /usr/share/xsessions/awesome.desktop, change NoDisplay=true to NoDisplay=false.  https://wiki.debian.org/Awesome
[19:29] <mDonchev_> ioria, nothing
[19:29] <OerHeks> seen this before ..
[19:30] <mDonchev_> ioria, it just got the prompt again
[19:30] <mDonchev_> ioria, after executing this command
[19:31] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: after executing which command?
[19:31] <ioria> mDonchev_,   you know the exact model of this Balinea monitor ?
[19:32] <ioria> tomreyn, xrandr --output VGA-1 --auto
[19:32] <hackedhead> OerHeks: ah thanks. so it showed up after I rebooted.
[19:32] <hackedhead> now the only issue is that I have to figure out how to make it all play with Gnome daemons nicely
[19:33] <tomreyn> ioria: ah, thanks. actually it turns out i mixed up mDonchev_ + hackedhead, sorry.
[19:33] <ioria> ok
[19:39] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: as previously suggested, have a look at your xorg log to see how the monitor was detected. alternatively, you can install read-edid and run sudo get-edid|parse-edid 2>&1|nc termbin.com 9999
[19:40] <hackedhead> tomreyn: if "after executing which command?" was directed at me RE session list selection; the answer is, after installing the generating deb with dpkg and creating an "awesome.desktop" file/entry in /usr/share/xsessions/
[19:40] <hackedhead> I am now supposing that the session manager only reads xsessions at boot? is there a way to force it to recheck while the system is up?
[19:41] <tomreyn> hackedhead: it's a systemd service, i think, so you should be able to make it re-read it by restarting the service
[19:41] <hackedhead> aha
[19:41] <hackedhead> okay
[19:42] <Serienmorder> Hello there, how do I edit the equivalent of network-scripts that Networkmanager uses in Ubuntu like it does in Centos. I've been googling and all of the answers seem really incomplete
[19:43] <tomreyn> hackedhead: can't find it. maybe you need to restart the gdm service
[19:46] <Serienmorder> Or even better. Anyone have experience with getting a KVM guest machine to be on a routed bridge and it actually work. I have it to the point where the host and the VM can talk to each other. But the guest can't talk out.
[19:58] <mDonchev_> tomreyn, I run this command but the output comes to the prompt
[19:58] <mDonchev_> not the termbin.com
[19:59] <mDonchev_> ioria, the model of the monitor is:
[19:59] <mDonchev_> Belinea 1925 S1W
[20:01] <tomreyn> mDonchev_: weird, i get normal output on the terminal but also a termbin.com url in the end. maybe you forgot "nc"
[20:02] <mDonchev_> sudo get-edid|parse0edid 2>1|nc termbin.com 9999
[20:02] <mDonchev_> that's how I do it
[20:02] <mDonchev_> (there is a space before 9999)
[20:02] <tomreyn> sudo get-edid|parse-edid 2>&1|nc termbin.com 9999
[20:02] <tomreyn> you mistyped
[20:02] <OerHeks>  Belinea 1925 S1W should be known, did you ever reset the monitor to factory defaults with its own menu?
[20:03] <tomreyn> Belinea 1925 S1W should support 1440 x 900
[20:04] <tomreyn> power cycling (pulling the power plug) monitors can help
[20:05] <ioria> mDonchev_,   are you using nvidia or nouveau ?
[20:05] <OerHeks> that too.. and it is 10 years old
[20:06] <mDonchev_> tomreyn, Still no luck. I get Error: output block unchanged, I'm sorry nothing was successful. Maybe try some other arguments
[20:06] <ioria> mDonchev_,   paste  sudo lshw -C video
[20:06] <mDonchev_> OerHeks, I tried the reset function but it just autotuned .. nothing else
[20:07] <mDonchev_> https://pastebin.com/x3sJpHSY
[20:08] <mDonchev_> tomreyn, this is the output: https://pastebin.com/vXhcHZi7
[20:09] <OerHeks> oh, onboard GeForce 7025.. that will only run with the open nvidia driver
[20:09] <OerHeks> and still then, not a youtube GPU
[20:09] <mDonchev_> OerHeks, what do you mean?
[20:10] <ioria> mDonchev_,   run    cvt 1440 900 60
[20:10] <OerHeks> that chipset is so old, i cannot remember proper support with 304
[20:10] <mDonchev_> martind@martind-ubuntu:~$ cvt 1440 900 60
[20:10] <mDonchev_> # 1440x900 59.89 Hz (CVT 1.30MA) hsync: 55.93 kHz; pclk: 106.50 MHz
[20:10] <mDonchev_> Modeline "1440x900_60.00"  106.50  1440 1528 1672 1904  900 903 909 934 -hsync +vsync
[20:11] <tomreyn> use nouveau, add dedicated graphics card, replace hardware
[20:11] <fletch8527> Im hoping someone here can help with what seems like a simple issue. Im still learning the ropes with Linux/Ubuntu. I have an 18.04 server (no gui) that Im trying to access a Windows network share. I mounted it using the CIFS driver by adding a line to /etc/fstab. The share mounts without issue and I can browse the share but I cannot write to it. I can see via `ls -l` that the user indeed doesnt have write rights.
[20:11] <fletch8527> The Windows account that I used to mount the share has Full Control. So Im assuming there is something wrong with the way it was mounted?
[20:11] <ioria> mDonchev_,   xrandr --newmode  "1440x900_60.00"  106.50  1440 1528 1672 1904  900 903 909 934 -hsync +vsync
[20:12] <OerHeks> search for: ubuntu nvidia 7025 # and you see only issues eith nvidia driver , uninstall the nvidia 304 and see if your resolution comes back
[20:12] <lordcirth> fletch8527, paste the line you put in /etc/fstab?
[20:13] <mDonchev_> ioria, failed to parse -hsync as a number
[20:13] <fletch8527> "//server/share    /media/share     cifs  credentials=/home/user/.smbcreds,iocharset=utf8  0  0"
[20:14] <mDonchev_> OerHeks, should I just get a ATI Radeon HD card instead
[20:14] <mDonchev_> ?
[20:15] <OerHeks> mDonchev_, any pci card is better, sure
[20:16] <lordcirth> fletch8527, try adding 'defaults': "//server/share    /media/share     cifs  defaults,credentials=/home/user/.smbcreds,iocharset=utf8  0  0"
[20:16] <lordcirth> You could also try 'rw'
[20:16] <fletch8527> ok thanks, ill give it a shot
[20:16] <mDonchev_> ioria, should I change something on the command?
[20:16] <mDonchev_> I want at least to make the normal resolution with this thing here
[20:16] <mDonchev_> I want to use it for development
[20:17] <ioria> mDonchev_,   run    cvt 1360 768 60
[20:18] <fletch8527> I should just be able to save the updated fstab then run `sudo mount -a` correct? or would the share have to be unmounted first?
[20:19] <mDonchev_> ioria, I just added the new mode to xrandr
[20:19] <mDonchev_> ioria, how can I see if its there?
[20:19] <ioria> mDonchev_,   xrandr
[20:20] <mDonchev_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h8ngNsKWMb/
[20:20] <tomreyn> fletch8527: if you want to verify that fstab is correct, use "findmnt --verify" or "umount /media/share; sleep 3; mount /media/share"
[20:21] <ioria> mDonchev_,  but did you run  xrandr --addmode S-video 1360x768
[20:21] <mDonchev_> no
[20:21] <mDonchev_> should I ?
[20:21] <ioria> yes
[20:22] <ioria> mDonchev_,  that thing has  hdmi  ?
[20:23] <OerHeks> ioria, nvidia 7025, vga only AFAIK
[20:23] <ioria> OerHeks, ok
[20:25] <lordcirth> fletch8527, best to unmount and remount
[20:26] <fletch8527> lordcirth, ok, im trying to now but it says its busy. reading about unmounting a busy mount
[20:26] <lordcirth> fletch8527, you are probably in the mount. or something has a file open
[20:27] <tomreyn> "lsof /media/share" may tell what's got a lock on it
[20:27] <ioria> mDonchev_,  after that, paste again xrandr
[20:27] <fletch8527> thanks tomreyn, I just found that command.. looks like docker has it, but I stopped the container that was using it.
[20:28] <mDonchev_> ioria: nope, just VGA
[20:28] <fletch8527> I tried umount -f but that didnt work either
[20:28] <ioria> mDonchev_,   did you run  xrandr --addmode S-video 1360x768
[20:29] <mDonchev_> xrandr: cannot find output "S-video"
[20:29] <mDonchev_> this is what xrandr said before this command:
[20:29] <mDonchev_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h8ngNsKWMb/
[20:30] <tomreyn> fletch8527: and you're not inside that directory? don't have any terminals (virtual or real ones) open in there, or running commands against it?
[20:30] <fletch8527> tomreyn, not that I am aware of
[20:30] <mDonchev_> for some reason this new mode went under HDMI-1 (which is not an existing port on my motherboard)
[20:31] <ioria> mDonchev_,   video card you mean ?
[20:32] <mDonchev_> ioria, yes. I have a built-in card on my asus motherboard
[20:32] <ioria> mDonchev_,   you're on xenial ,right ?
[20:33] <mDonchev_> what is xenial?
[20:33] <ioria> mDonchev_,  cat /etc/issue
[20:33] <tomreyn> fletch8527: maybe it's a good time to reboot then
[20:34] <mDonchev_> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS \n \l
[20:34] <ioria> mDonchev_,  are you kidding ?
[20:34] <lordcirth> mDonchev_, xenial is Ubuntu 16.04
[20:34] <tomreyn> !xenial | mDonchev_
[20:34] <fletch8527> tomreyn thats kinda what im thinking lol
[20:34] <mDonchev_> ioria, what?
[20:34] <ioria> mDonchev_, the last we installed xenial 16.04
[20:35] <dman777> does ubuntu-vm-builder allow you to specify image format?
[20:35] <fletch8527> ill brb
[20:36] <mDonchev_> I tried the boot Ubuntu Budgie and it detected my monitor and resolution so I installed it
[20:36] <mDonchev_> and it was OK until I put this monitor on
[20:36] <mDonchev_> I tried to install the latest possible version that will go with my old hardware
[20:37] <ioria> mDonchev_, i was suggesting to install nvidia-304 ,but that it's not available for 18.04
[20:37] <OerHeks> dman777, sure, [OPTIONS]... <hypervisor> Hypervisor image format http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/vmbuilder.1.html
[20:37] <OerHeks> xen kvm vmw6 vmserver
[20:38] <mDonchev_> ioria, so ... 16.04.5 and then install nvidia 304 ?
[20:38] <mDonchev_> but ... isn't it old ?
[20:38] <ioria> mDonchev_, nope,
[20:38] <mDonchev_> like 3 years old now?
[20:38] <lordcirth> mDonchev_, 16.04 is nearly 3 years old, yes, but is still supported for 2 years.
[20:38] <ioria> mDonchev_ itold you to install 16.04 (not 16.04.5 )
[20:39] <ioria> mDonchev_, 'cause 304 does not build on 4.15 kernel
[20:39] <mDonchev_> I see ... ok ... since I have everything (except the video card) installed and setup
[20:39] <OerHeks> budgie or ubuntu, both give the standard open driver, nouveau, which should work as i told before.
[20:39] <mDonchev_> is it better to stick with 18.04 and get a cheap ATI Radeon HD for like $15
[20:40] <mDonchev_> OerHeks: I am with nouveau drivers
[20:40] <mDonchev_> but since I plugged my new (10 years old) monitor
[20:40] <mDonchev_> it stopped detecting the monitor and the available resolutions
[20:41] <ioria> mDonchev_, ubuntu-drivers list   what returns ? nothing i guess
[20:42] <mDonchev_> ioria: nothing .
[20:42] <ioria> mDonchev_,  did you trynto install some nvidia drivers ?
[20:43] <mDonchev_> i tried
[20:43] <ioria> mDonchev_,  why ?
[20:43] <ioria> mDonchev_,  dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[20:44] <mDonchev_> jsut nvidia-settings
[20:44] <mDonchev_> I removed it
[20:44] <ioria> mDonchev_,  dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:44] <mDonchev_> following your commands
[20:44] <mDonchev_> https://termbin.com/i7qa
[20:45] <Bashing-om> mDonchev_: The 304 version driver is no longer supported. See: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases ; https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa .
[20:45] <ioria> mDonchev_,  let me understand ... why you have 'just' nvidia-settings 390 installed ?
[20:45] <mDonchev_> :( yes
[20:46] <mDonchev_> so .. should I go and get one ATI Radeon HD card for say $15 ?
[20:46] <mDonchev_> Are they still supported ?
[20:46] <mDonchev_> like 3xxxx, 4xxxx ?
[20:46] <ioria> mDonchev_,  already told you supported on 16.04
[20:46] <mDonchev_> I'm looking as I type ...
[20:46] <ioria> !info nvidia-304 xenial
[20:46] <ioria> mDonchev_,  but not on 18.04
[20:47] <ioria> mDonchev_,  check if you have a xorg.conf file
[20:47] <mDonchev_> ioria: I understand that if I want to support it I have to install 16.04
[20:47] <OerHeks> mDonchev_, no, ati 54xx and up
[20:47] <ioria> mDonchev_,  no, you don't
[20:47] <mDonchev_> OerHeks, ati 54xx and up you say ?
[20:48] <OerHeks> i own a 5450, supports hdmi-dvi-vga and 2 x youtube, no problem
[20:49] <mDonchev_> OerHeks: like this one: https://apollo-frankfurt.akamaized.net/v1/files/hulo74idolkk1-BG/image;s=800x600
[20:49] <OerHeks> but regarding to that 7025, that motherboard is not pci-express, but AGP x4/x8 ?
[20:49] <ioria> mDonchev_,   sudo updatedb  and locate xorg.conf
[20:49] <mDonchev_> my motherboard has PCI-e
[20:50] <mDonchev_> this is my motherboard: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M2NCM_DVI/HelpDesk_CPU/
[20:51] <mDonchev_> ioria, i see it on like 6-7 locations
[20:51] <ioria> mDonchev_,   paste it
[20:51] <mDonchev_> https://termbin.com/asms
[20:52] <ioria> mDonchev_,   no, it's ok
[20:57] <mDonchev_> OerHeks: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5570 1GB DDR3 is that good enough?
[20:57] <mDonchev_> I'm not looking for any Battlefield1 games or something
[20:57] <OerHeks> sure
[20:57] <mDonchev_> just youtube and playing movies
[20:57] <fletch8527> lordcirth, tomreyn, after a reboot the share was mapped but I was still not able to do `mkdir /media/share` but it did work if I did it with sudo.
[20:57] <mDonchev_> ok will it be recognised automatically after I place it onto my motherboard
[20:57] <OerHeks> youtube/dvd, what else does one need, power speaking
[20:58] <mDonchev_> probably Minecraft to play with my kid?
[21:00] <fletch8527> could it be that its being mounted as root so my user cannot access it? here is a sample of the result of ls -l "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    0 Oct  8 15:56  Cache"
[21:17] <fletch8527> anyone around that could assist with mounting a CIFS share in 18.04?
[21:24] <Piraty> hi. i need to debug wifi issues on 18.10. which daemon is responsible for that and where can i find its logs in /var/log ?
[21:26] <Piraty> hmm maybe iwlwifi is borked
[21:27] <teward> Piraty: start by seeing if `rfkill list` shows the wifi card on system.  Then check to see if the system even detects it in `lspci` or such
[21:27] <Piraty> rfkill is still a thing in ubuntu?
[21:28] <Piraty> well, wifi in general works but it drops link every 10 min
[21:28] <EriC^> Piraty: i'd go wired, once you go wired you never use wifi again
[21:28] <EriC^> sounds familiar
[21:28] <Piraty> not an option here
[21:31] <tripelb> 18.o4 dependency failed for swap. dunno what this means but then hangs. i have an 18.04 liveusb handy    https://i.imgur.com/V5SWbAP.jpg
[21:34] <fletch8527> lordcirth, tomreyn, got it to work finally. I needed to add the gid and uid options to the cifs mount in fstab
[21:35] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Enbcrypted file system ?
[21:36] <tripelb> nope.  and happy new year bashing om. i just booted from usb
[21:40] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Confused - the posted error is from the USB boot ?
[21:40] <tripelb> Bashing-om: no encryption. but is laptop. kb bad, did it get wet? am using wired kb. (am talking to you on tablet.) i can check partitions with fsck but what is the command to do that?
[21:40] <Andreeil> Hi guys! Tried making a forum post but its not very active. Hopefully I can get some help here. I currently have a Surface Pro 3 with dual-booted Ubuntu 18.04 and W10. Thinks have been working smoothly except for the fact that my WiFi keeps dropping out every 10-30 minutes. When this happends my network manager can not find any networks, and the whole networkmanager freezes. Only way i have found to fix it is to reboot every time.
[21:41] <tripelb> no posted error from regular boot which gave error and hung.
[21:42] <tripelb> Bashing-om: the posted error is from hard drive boot... ^^^
[21:43] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Ya want to mount the hosed system's root partition .. look at the /etc/fstab file and compare the UUID's to what 'sudo blkid' show .
[21:48] <OerHeks> Andreeil, there are tons of forumposts about surface pro 3 and wifi, powermanagment and random mac change could be the culprit
[21:49] <OerHeks> https://www.scivision.co/ubuntu-wifi-on-but-no-connect/ https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/issues/74  https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/all/compatibility-with-ubuntu/d5e7cbf7-336d-4b66-b6c6-9b8042b0fb16
[21:50] <OerHeks> mwifiex_pcie
[21:50] <tripelb> Bashing-om: while i was waiting i did fsck (looked up how: sudo fsck /dev/sda7     that was system i assume (clean). Then did the same:  sudo fsck /dev/sda5    for swap and it didnt give any answer, just said its name then returned to prompt. 2 lines of reply missing compared to syste reply
[21:52] <coz_> tripelb, whst is on sda5?
[21:52] <Bashing-om> tripelb: No can fsck 'swap' as swap had no file system .
[21:56] <tripelb> coz_:  i think it is ubuntu 18.04. (fedora names its partition, ty)
[21:56] <tripelb> Bashing-om: thanks til
[21:57] <coz_> tripelb, understood
[21:57] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Still, confirm what fstab is booting .
[21:57] <aldcor> Hello! Isn't it a bit ridiculous that one must go through quite a hustle just to add an icon to a panel? Will this be soon fixed on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[21:59] <Piraty> Andreeil: funny, i posted a similar question with same observation 1h ago
[21:59] <Piraty> maybe solution: kernel update. check dmesg if wifi related messages of drivers etc occur
[22:00] <tripelb> Bashing-om: coz_   i didn't know how to mount. Sio I looked it up and:   sudo mount /dev/sda5/ /mnt/sda5       gave me  mount point does not exist. (i started gparted to lo9k at a list of partitions)
[22:01] <tripelb> coz_: Bashing-om  i dont know (yet)  what "confirm what fstab is booting" means.
[22:03] <Bashing-om> tripelb: From the liveUSB ' sudo mkdir /mnt/looksee ; sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/looksee ; cat /mnt/looksee/etc/fstab ' . compare UUIDs  to ' sudo blkid ' .
[22:07] <tripelb> Bashing-om: while i think about that here is gparted view of the drive ..    https://i.imgur.com/p0EXNdO.jpg
[22:07] <Andreeil> @OerHeks : Yes,,unfortunately none of them have been working out for me :)
[22:08] <tripelb> ok i see will do it Bashing-om
[22:08] <Andreeil> Piraty: Interesting! Which kernel ahve you tried updating to? Which is the latest?
[22:08] <Bashing-om> tripelb: !!
[22:09] <Bashing-om> tripelb: sda5 is swap partition .. not root ! pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' so we know what is .
[22:09] <Piraty> Andreeil: in my case the laptop was running 4.18.0 initially (default from installation of 18.10 i guess) and iwlwifi threw errors in dmesg. So i updated kernel to 4.18.20 and i believe it's gone now (update only 30min ago)
[22:11] <tripelb> Bashing-om:  SAYS    mount:  cant find /dev/sda5/mnt/looksee: cant find in /etc/fstab.
[22:11] <tripelb> oops changing command
[22:12] <Bashing-om> tripelb: ' fdisk -lu ' ??
[22:12] <tripelb> cant find 7 either
[22:13] <tripelb> can't open all this list of lops, permission denied.   Bashing-om
[22:13] <Andreeil> Piraty:  Sweet. Ill try 4.18.20 as well then. Thank you sir!
[22:13] <tripelb> loops  ... fdisk cant
[22:14] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Will you please settle down -- thionk - and follow direction ? .. in the liveUSB do ' sudo fdisk -lu | nc termbin.com 9999 ' and pass back the resulting URL .
[22:15] <aldcor> Hello! Isn't it a bit ridiculous that one must go through quite a hustle just to add an icon to a panel? Will this be soon fixed on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[22:16] <tripelb> Bashing-om: photo of result   https://i.imgur.com/D25xnPb.jpg
[22:16] <tripelb> ok will do.
[22:16] <coz_> aldcor,  gnome3 I assume?
[22:18] <Bashing-om> tripelb: tripelb Look, I am going to lay down on you and quit ! .. sudo fdisk -lu | nc termbin.com 9999 ' and pass back the resulting URL .
[22:18] <nr9032nsc6> Hi
[22:19] <aldcor> yes, coz_ its gnome 3
[22:19] <nr9032nsc6> I have a motherboard+CPU+RAM+power supply, but no screen/no ext keyboard/no mouse
[22:19] <coz_> aldcor, ok let me check
[22:19] <nr9032nsc6> Can I install ubuntu on it? (I'd like it to be a server connected via SSH anyway)
[22:19] <aldcor> i like it very much but the its just this one little thing that bugs me.. it should be much simpler to add an icon to a panel :)
[22:20] <nr9032nsc6> said in another way: is there a way with standard motherboards (it's an ASUS one) to boot on USB flash drive containing Ubuntu or net boot via ethernet/ssh ?
[22:20] <coz_> aldcor,  what I could find states ;    To add icons or app launcher on panel key combination is windows button + Alt + Right Click. A drop down will appear with options to Add to Panel, Properties, Add panel etc.
[22:21] <nr9032nsc6> (but I don't have any keyboard/screen monitor to even go to BIOS!)
[22:22] <tripelb> Bashing-om: i am sorry i missed the uuid part. since we have passed that no need to explain. i see no identifiers numbers anywhere.-+- >    https://termbin.com/kj4
[22:23] <coz_> aldcor, is that what you were wanting?
[22:23] <aldcor> coz_, nothing happens when doing that combo
[22:23] <coz_> aldcor,  then not sure, but let me look again
[22:24] <Bashing-om> tripelb: We get there when I have something to work with .. that last URL is incomplete . try again .
[22:25] <tripelb> oops https://termbin.con/ykj4
[22:25] <tripelb> nooo
[22:25] <tripelb> oops https://termbin.com/ykj4
[22:25] <OerHeks> nr9032nsc6, unattended install, preseed https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/ch04s06.html ---- https://askubuntu.com/questions/806820/how-do-i-create-a-completely-unattended-install-of-ubuntu-desktop-16-04-1-lts
[22:26] <OerHeks> but really, no keyboard, that could be an issue if the bios is not set correctly
[22:26] <tripelb> oops https://termbin.com/ykj4 Bashing-om  ((i have so much to learn.))
[22:27] <tripelb> i am appreciative. this is why i use ubuntu not another
[22:27] <coz_> aldcor, are you taling about the side panel?
[22:27] <nr9032nsc6> OerHeks: thanks. But first how to boot on such an unattended install?
[22:28] <nr9032nsc6> I evevn don't have monitor/keyboard to go to BIOS :) isn't this required?
[22:28] <OerHeks> nr9032nsc6, that is your problem
[22:28] <nr9032nsc6> OerHeks is it required?
[22:28] <aldcor> coz_ yes the left one.. hey but maybe never mind. I will try out budgie desktop
[22:28] <nr9032nsc6> or are there solutions totally without screen/keyboard?
[22:28] <tomreyn> nr9032nsc6: at least server boards are usually seetup to netboot by default.
[22:29] <nr9032nsc6> tomreyn: i could try then. So I should just plug the ethernet to my router. And then, what should I do from laptop?
[22:29] <tomreyn> nr9032nsc6: serial console might also work
[22:30] <nr9032nsc6> SSH? wouldn't work if Ubuntu isn't installed yet?
[22:30] <tomreyn> nr9032nsc6: explaining all this stuff will take longer than you getting a monitor and keyboard connected
[22:30] <nr9032nsc6> tomreyn: just the basics
[22:31] <nr9032nsc6> tomreyn: i won't need any monitor anymore, so I wanted to know if it's possible to skip buying one to use it just 10 minutes...
[22:31] <tomreyn> nr9032nsc6: you read up on pxe booting, setup a tftp and dhcp server, and a preseeded installer on there.
[22:31] <OerHeks> https://github.com/ynkjm/ubuntu-serial-install .. but again; if your bios is not setup correctly already, this is useless
[22:32] <Bashing-om> trupsalms: We all have much to learn .. it is a never ending process .. ok we are making progress. However the boot (*) is on a Windows partiton. As we have no label -> it is off to hunting we will go to find that root partition. Is there a positive result ' sudo mkdir /mnt/looksee ; sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/looksee ; ls -al /mnt/looksee/etc/ ' ?
[22:32] <tomreyn> nr9032nsc6: ho do you interface with computers without a monitor and input devices?
[22:32] <nr9032nsc6> thanks for the lin
[22:32] <clorisu> hey does anyone know why my bluetooth keyboard isnt being detected in bluetoothctl (or blueman for that matter)? its powered on with new batteries, and is being made discoverable.  im not sure the model no but here is where i bought it from https://miniso-au.com/product/13006/classic-bluetooth-keyboard-white . it is being detected by my mobile bluetooth just not my laptop
[22:32] <OerHeks> yw
[22:33] <nr9032nsc6> tomreyn: i only have laptops. and the motherboard+cpu+ram+hdd+power supply i'm about to build as a server
[22:33] <clorisu>  im on kernel 4.14.91
[22:33] <OerHeks> maybe hook up your tv, and a keyboard should not be that hard to find
[22:33] <nr9032nsc6> OerHeks: don't have any TV
[22:33] <coz_> %
[22:35] <tomreyn> nr9032nsc6: i'd still recommend getting a cheap mointor and usb keyboard. definitely if you're working with desktop hardware (not server which is specifically configured for this kind of installment)
[22:36] <tomreyn> clorisu: which ubuntu version comes with this kernel version?
[22:45] <tripelb> results https://termbin.com/ykj4 Bashing-om
[22:46] <reaga> i like ubuntu but i think the desktop is dumb, (i like a normal start button not one that takes up the whole screen), does that mean i should use mint
[22:46] <reaga> is there a way to replace ubuntu desktop, maybe ill do that
[22:47] <tomreyn> !flavors | reaga
[22:47] <tripelb> reaga use mate or cinnamon. ine is like you want .. imho both are better than umity or the new wrinkle gnome
[22:47] <tripelb> they have taskbar
[22:47] <coz_> ^^^^^^
[22:48]  * tomreyn is using default ubuntu with minor customizations and got a taskbar.
[22:48] <coz_> mste if you want compiz, cinnamon if not
[22:48] <OerHeks> there is choice for anyone, and tons of tweaks
[22:49] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Again ,, you are not thinking .. that last is a repeat of former paste - what is it that you want to show me ?
[22:49] <coz_> that was suppose to be Mate not mste
[22:50]  * OerHeks needs wobbly-windows-on-wayland
[22:51] <coz_> OerHeks, I believe soreau has that working on way;and already  check in #northfield to see if it is available
[22:52] <coz_> way;land = wayland
[22:52] <OerHeks> oh, compiz reloaded
[22:52] <tripelb> Bashing-om: yes that gives the output. inthought you didnt see it. it has one more character than the 404.
[22:52] <coz_> OerHeks, well no, specifically on wayland
[22:53] <coz_> OerHeks, #northfield   check with soreau if it is available yet
[22:53] <coz_> OerHeks, that's the #northfield channel by the way
[22:54] <OerHeks> oh oke
[22:54] <coz_> OerHeks,  he's the one to ask
[22:55] <m5w> Hello.  I recently got an SSD that is larger than my HDD, and I want to use the SSD instead of my HDD.  I used dd to copy everything from my HDD to the SSD and then chrooted onto the SSD and installed grub.  However, when I try to boot from the SSD, my computer can't find the bootloader.
[22:55] <m5w> if it matters, I'm using full-disk encryption
[22:55] <m5w> I'm also booting in UEFI mode
[22:55] <m5w> I have an EFI and boot partition
[22:55] <Sushi-san> Out of curiosity, what's your motherboard, m5w?
[22:56] <EriC^> m5w: running a live usb now?
[22:56] <tomreyn> m5w: is it really an ssd or is it actually nvme?
[22:57] <tripelb> Bashing-om: it starts Disk /dev/loop0: 1.8 GiB,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes, 3641504 sectors
[22:58] <tripelb> this...  https://termbin.com/ykj4 Bashing-om
[22:59] <Bashing-om> tripelb: We are past that .. we are now hunting for a root partitiom that may be sda6 through sda9 . My last applies .
[23:04] <m5w> ok, this is weird
[23:04] <m5w> so in the BIOS boot menu, there's an ubuntu entry
[23:05] <m5w> booting from that boots from the SSD
[23:05] <m5w> but booting from the USB entry (the SSD is still in an external enclosure) doesn't work
[23:06] <m5w> maybe everything will be resolved once I actually swap out the SSD for the HDD inside the computer
[23:06] <m5w> ah sorry, didn't see your replies until now; matrix.org is lagging
[23:07] <m5w> Sushi-san, not sure; I'm running on a ThinkPad T570
[23:08] <m5w> EriC^, I did the transfer on a live USB and still have my old HDD with my current install inside the computer working
[23:08] <Sushi-san> Ah, was thinking a self-built machine, sorry
[23:08] <m5w> tomreyn, it's 3D NAND
[23:09] <m5w> anyway, I'll report back once I swap it out
[23:09] <EriC^> m5w: it makes perfect sense that it wont boot
[23:09] <EriC^> swap it and then use the 'ubuntu' entry you'll be good
[23:10] <EriC^> (using the usb entry would attempt to look for default boot path such as efi/boot/bootx64.efi and the likes so it'll likely fail)
[23:11] <tripelb> Bashing-om: i missed something. i have just done the looksee on all those numbers. same.. no find in fstsb. -+- oh isee. error  my nick came out trupsalms. Ok now i need to:: yes it is dual boot. ...   did thoe sda6 again. ls: cannot access '/mnt/looksee,/etc/': n such file or directory.    (( that again after the same...  cant find in /etc/fstab.  ))
[23:13] <Bashing-om> trupsalms: K; then we look at sda7 do ' sudo umount /mnt/looksee ; sudo mount dev/sda7 /mnt/looksee ' ls -al /mnt/looksee/etc/ '
[23:19] <EriC^> tripelb: you have a typo if you copy and pasted the error, /mnt/looksee, <-no coma there
[23:19] <nr9032nsc6> tomreyn: another idea:
[23:19] <Bashing-om> EriC^: Good eye :)
[23:20] <nr9032nsc6> Is there a USB bootable version of Ubuntu such that if the computer boots on this USB, it autostarts Ubuntu Live, and I can directly SSH it from another computer?
[23:20] <EriC^> Bashing-om: :D
[23:20] <tomreyn> nr9032nsc6: none of the supported installers does this.
[23:20] <nr9032nsc6> with a default root passwod
[23:21] <nr9032nsc6> tomreyn: do all of them require a keypress or such thing?
[23:21]  * EriC^ wonders what nr9032nsc6 is up to
[23:21] <visone> howdy
[23:22] <tomreyn> nr9032nsc6: let's just end this here, we've discussed all the options already.
[23:22] <tripelb> EriC^: thanks but it wasn't a copy. I'm on a tablet now here. the computer is a live USB and I do not think that the live USB can do I RC
[23:23] <EriC^> tripelb: ah ok, it can do irc, just log into http://freenode.net and chat from there
[23:23] <tripelb> Bashing-om: i am TRIPELB NOT trupsalms
[23:23] <nr9032nsc6> EriC^: tl;dr: the computer is headless (no monitor/keyboard) and I'd like to be able to install ubuntu on it (as server). we already discussed netinstall, but seems complex, that's why i was wondering if a simple USB installer solution existed
[23:24] <tripelb> Bashing-om: I thought I told you I have already done 6 7 8 and 9
[23:24] <OerHeks> nr9032nsc6, if the machine is set to boot from usb, the procedure is the same
[23:24] <nr9032nsc6> OerHeks: the same as what?
[23:24] <nr9032nsc6> OerHeks: I think that if I clear the CMOS/BIOS, it might default to auto boot on USB flash drive , I can try that
[23:25] <nr9032nsc6> I can clear the CMOS/BIOS with a jumper :)
[23:25] <EriC^> nr9032nsc6: maybe you could install an ubuntu version made for something headless like rpi and such
[23:25] <TJ-> nr9032nsc6: the easiest way is to remove the storage device from the PC (HDD/SSD), attach it to a PC with a head on, install to the drive, test it using a virtual machine, then move it back to the target PC. This does however depend on the target PC boot-system not needing any config to make it boot from the device
[23:25] <EriC^> nr9032nsc6: like dd it to the hdd and then boot it on the other pc
[23:25] <tripelb> Bashing-om: what was the term ben.com supposed to show us?
[23:26] <tripelb> termbin.com link
[23:26] <nr9032nsc6> TJ- yep i think it'll try something like that
[23:27] <TJ-> nr9032nsc6: alternatively you could create a small boot USB device that has an SSH server and default network config
[23:28] <TJ-> nr9032nsc6: it depends to some extent if the target PC is UEFI or legacy/BIOS boot
[23:28] <tripelb> Bashing-om: would it help if I install Ubuntu in the Fedora partition?
[23:28] <raidghost> Any suggestions how to sniff multicast adresses? (IPTV)
[23:29] <TJ-> raidghost: "avahi-browse -art"
[23:29] <nr9032nsc6> TJ-: this is the motherboard: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A79XTD_EVO/specifications/  is there a way to know if it's uefi?
[23:29] <raidghost> TJ-: Thanks ;)
[23:30] <tripelb> separate question colon can I disable the laptop keyboard? then I can put the outboard keyboard right on top of the laptop keyboard and it would make life easier for me.
[23:30] <raidghost> Not sure if it works but. i give it a try. allready tried vlc and and SAP
[23:30] <EriC^> nr9032nsc6: all new mb's are uefi i think
[23:30] <raidghost> EriC^: Correct
[23:31] <nr9032nsc6> EriC^: does it make it difficult to install Linux?
[23:31] <EriC^> nr9032nsc6: sometimes the implementation is tricky, it's not that hard tbh and it's been tackled a bunch here and elsewhere
[23:31] <TJ-> nr9032nsc6: from the downloads link and a related BIOS Upgrade page, it shows it using .CAP file, which is an UEFI Capsule for firmware upgrading, so it is UEFI
[23:32] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Beats me .. I have never multi-booted Fedora .. it is LVM .. and I have no experience how that will effect ubuntu .
[23:32] <TJ-> nr9032nsc6: so you could copy the bootloader to the removable-media path (/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX84.EFI) to ensure it will boot without needing to be pre-configured
[23:33] <nr9032nsc6> TJ-: where did you find the CAP file?
[23:33] <EriC^> nr9032nsc6: you could do this, you can install in uefi mode using the removeable media flag with grub, and also put in a 1mb bios-boot partition and install grub in legacy mode too, that way you have better chances of it booting if it's set to uefi mode or csm legacy
[23:33] <visone> tripelb: i had both system installed in diferent particions and worked well
[23:33] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to create a "BIOS boot partition" to boot GRUB pre-EFI style from a huge disk. I've read 1 MB would be enough for this; does it? how large would it need to be if I later decide to switch to EFI boot?
[23:34] <EriC^> Sven_vB: if you might switch to efi and want to use it as an efi partition then make it like 200mb or so
[23:34] <TJ-> nr9032nsc6: OH! They link to an UEFI upgrade FAQ, but that's wrong, the actual files are BIOS .ROM files so far as I can tell!
[23:34] <Sven_vB> EriC^, thanks!
[23:34] <EriC^> Sven_vB: yeah 1mb is enough for it
[23:35] <nr9032nsc6> thanks for your advice! i'll reboot now and try things!
[23:35] <EriC^> Sven_vB: np
[23:35] <TJ-> nr9032nsc6: so using a grub-pc install into a USB device would/should work
[23:36] <nr9032nsc6> good to know!
[23:37] <tripelb> Bashing-om: I must have misspoke. I want to replace the Fedora with Ubuntu then maybe I can get a system on the hard drive and not the working from a live USB. in settings I cannot find any way to disable one of the two keyboards that are available to me. I would like to disable the onboard keyboard.
[23:37] <tripelb> do you know how to do that? in settings all I see is key short cuts
[23:38] <tripelb> Bashing-om: the basic complained in the beginning was that the dependency of the swap was not correct, or not understood so that it hung
[23:39] <tripelb> if I reinstall the Ubuntu partition it'll kill my data. I never used the fedora partition when I found that the support channel was empty here on freenode 3
[23:40] <TJ-> tripelb: disabling devices is generally done using udev, via a rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[23:41] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Well, off hand I do not know as i have ran xfce4 as my DE for some time now .. I do not recall much of other DEs. And again as to swap .. generally that is caused by a change in that partition that gives a new UUID, that new UUID must then be edited into the fstab file. To that end we still have to identify where the root partition for the system you want to boot os located.
[23:42] <tripelb> oh.. terminal.  my basic problem is that the swap dependency was wrong so that the boot up hung. also I can't see the hard drive in the GUI.. is it still called Nautilus? --- all these tough things that I am being asked to do and I don't understand well come from those facts. -- Bashing-om
[23:42] <tripelb> TJ-: ^^
[23:43] <tripelb> Bashing-om: I pretty much understand what you just said. and hat these normal things aren't working for some reason
[23:44] <tripelb> I'm going to reboot the computer and some new way and then go back and see if that changes it
[23:44] <TJ-> tripelb: can we roll back a bit. I've just looked at your screen photo in emergency mode where you were attempting to set a password and it was failing
[23:45] <TJ-> tripelb: it was reporting "Authentication token manipulation error" - If I recall correctly that can be reported when the root file system is still read-only, which is normal in emergency mode. You can do "mount -o remount,rw /" to make the file-system writable.
[23:46] <tripelb> the last time I booted up before the problem I booted into windows so I'm going to boot into windows again and exit normally. then I'm going to try Ubuntu again be back soon TJ-   actually I'm not leaving here because this is the tablet. ... oh okay I have done that many times. and was going to do it after I reset the password. okay I'm going off to do that.
[23:51] <tripelb> TJ-: Bashing-om HotPocket! i remembered my password. Finesse!
[23:55] <on3pk> your password is Finesse?
[23:56] <tripelb> now I want to disable the internal kb. Looking it up. TJ-