[09:00] <apw> oursland, i would need to see more of the log than that, also how did you generate the source
[09:00] <apw> you could pastebin the log
[10:03] <rbasak> We seem to be getting a number of regression-update reports: bug 1746806
[10:03] <rbasak> Sounds like a possible kernel regression on EC2.
[10:32] <rbasak> jjohansen: ^ apparmor related perhaps, given the latest comment?
[10:34] <jjohansen> rbasak: ? I think I am missing context can you paste the relevant bit of discussion
[10:47] <rbasak> Oh sorry, you only just joined
[10:47] <rbasak> We seem to be getting a number of regression-update reports: bug 1746806
[10:47] <rbasak> Sounds like a possible kernel regression on EC2.
[10:47] <rbasak> jjohansen: ^
[10:48] <jjohansen> rbasak: ack, looking
[11:10] <jjohansen> rbasak: I've added a comment, don't hesitate to grab me to help
[11:12] <rbasak> jjohansen: thanks, that's helpful. To be clear, I'm not working the bug; just trying to send it in the right direction.
[11:14] <jjohansen> rbasak: ack, well, if you need me to run through any of the suggested tests to help figure out which way that is let me know, it will probably have to wait until next week as I am doing fosdem
[11:14] <jjohansen> and am trying to get my presentation together today
[11:14] <jjohansen> s/doing/at/
[13:48] <oursland> apw, I have uploaded my checkout and build scripts along with the build log containing the error to: https://gitlab.com/snippets/1696811


[00:01] <exell> @jeremy31 https://i.postimg.cc/fy9pNC1B/Screenshot-20200913-005839.png
[00:01] <jeremy31> exell: the driver for the USB isn't loaded,
[00:03] <exell> @jeremy31 I definitely followed that guide and everything installed and didn't error
[00:04] <jeremy31> exell: If you are happy now, no reason to mess with the USB
[00:07] <exell> @jeremy31 yeah, it was only running at 350Mbs and whatever setting or driver or change you've helped with has unleashed the extra 150mbs so I thank you for that. We done the wrong sum and got the right answer ;)
[01:00] <Some_Person> I'm trying to completely format 2 USB sticks that previously had FreeNAS on them, but I'm running into problems
[01:01] <Some_Person> What's the recommended way to do this?
[01:02] <Some_Person> GParted gives me "Input/output error during write on /dev/sdc"
[01:03] <Bashing-om> Some_Person: FreeNAS == raid meta data ?? what shows ' sudo wipefs /dev/sdX ' ? where the X is for the target drive letter.
[01:04] <Some_Person> Bashing-om: https://pastebin.com/raw/fYdFvcJ0
[01:05] <Some_Person> I just want to wipe it so I can do something else with it
[01:05] <Bashing-om> Some_Person: Yukkie zfs file system is beyond my experience range - others here can better advise.
[01:06] <Some_Person> I don't care about the file system currently on it
[01:07] <Kaedenn1> Can I change the snap folder path from ~/snap to ~/.snap or something?
[01:07] <Kaedenn1> Without breaking my system
[01:20] <Some_Person> All right, I got it. Ended up using dd to zero out the first part of the drive and then fdisk
[01:23] <retran> Kaedenn1, not easily
[01:23] <retran> so it'd be great to leave it alone
[01:23] <retran> then write an angry letter to Ubuntu for not following the linux standard filesystem hierarchy
[01:24] <retran> and maybe then, they'll fix it
[01:24] <retran> lots of people take issue with Ubuntu 20 re. snaps and how they're implemented, etc.
[01:25] <retran> maybe they'll change it if we gripe specifically enough
[01:31] <Kaedenn1> sigh.
[02:21] <Guma> Can some one help me with udev rule I am having trouble? I am trying to create SYMLINK to ttyACM0. It works but permissions on it are root:root
[02:21] <Guma> I would like to be dialout
[04:12] <backthen> is there way to run a full Ubuntu system within WIndows? I tried the Ubuntu Terminal for Windows but I'm not sure what's its limitations
[04:23] <Maik> backthen: WSL is the only option and is that what you are using i guess. If you want to run a full Ubuntu system either use a VM or do a dual boot.
[04:24] <backthen> Maik: ok. I was running problems with Docker which I'm not familiar with. Docker is a VM of sort I think. So maybe it can't run in WSL?
[04:25] <Maik> i'm not familiar with Docker myself.
[05:57] <b100s> hi2all; how can I identify the version of a software in a package? e.g. https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/database/influxdb
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> b100s: apt policy packagename
[06:39] <leibniz[m]> How can I completely reset my python and python3 to ubuntu's defaults?
[06:41] <bray90820> Is there a way to spesify which version of samba to install on ubuntu before you install it
[06:45] <bray90820> I am having an issue with 4.11.6 so I wanted to downgrade to 4.7.6
[07:15] <guiverc> bray90820, the version you get will depend on your unstated release. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=samba  If you look at any package, eg. your system will need to meet that criteria for the version you want (which may break or negatively impact your system)
[07:15] <guiverc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/samba for eg. for the focal version
[07:16] <bray90820> guiverc: Thanks
[07:16] <MrAli> Hi
[07:16] <MrAli> I got Ubuntu 20.04 alongside Windows 10 on my Labtop. Now i need to edit folders and files on win 10 from ubuntu but i get permission error. How can i get access to win 10 files.
[07:17] <MrAli> i did try this 'sudo chmod u+x 'from ubuntu'
[07:17] <MrAli> i did try this `sudo chmod u+x 'from ubuntu`
[07:18] <MrAli> give me this `chmod: changing permissions of 'from ubuntu': Read-only file system`
[07:18] <guiverc> MrAli, if the windows file system isn't cleanly unmounted, you won't be able to mount RW & so can't change anything  (not cleanly unmounted includes hibernated, fast boot enabled etc)
[07:20] <MrAli> guiverc How can i tell?
[07:23] <MrAli> guiverc Files i want to edit are in D:/ windows system files  are in C:/
[07:23] <guiverc> MrAli, If i wanted to see how I mounted a network shares I have; I can `mount |grep 290` (290 will catch the network mounts I'm using in this example; it'll say rw as an option as I have RW used)
[07:24] <guiverc> If i just mounted a share however, I'd look at the messages that occurred during mount, if I used a GUI tool I'd have to read logs looking for clues
[07:24] <akem> MrAli, Unmount your partition and try ntfsfix /dev/sdXY.
[07:24] <akem> Then remount it, see if you can mount it RW.
[07:30] <guiverc> fyi MrAli, the C: & D: labels are just names that windows applies, not what your hardware uses.  fastboot impacts any used file-system, even if only contains data (as the directory isn't written to the drive, it's stored in the fastboot area; meaning any other OS & recovery of data is complicated should you have problems)
[07:31] <guiverc> to PREVENT data loss, GNU/Linux won't mount an unclean file-system in RW if it detects issues; be thankful for that
[07:34] <bepis_drinker> I am using Ubuntu 18.04
[07:34] <bepis_drinker> Can I get help regarding how to create a sub category under an already existing category like Development or Game?
[07:35] <bepis_drinker> Something like Development->IDE->(VSCode,Android Studio...)
[07:35] <bepis_drinker> IDE being the subcategory
[07:46] <MrAli> thanks
[08:17] <funnybunny2> How do I get my mic working in Chrome?
[08:21] <bray90820> funnybunny2: Every website or a spesific website?
[08:21] <funnybunny2> bray90820: Ideally a specific website
[08:21] <funnybunny2> It asked to use my camera and I allowed
[08:22] <funnybunny2> But when I turn mic on on the website it doesn't do anything
[08:22] <bray90820> What website of you don't mind me asking
[08:22] <funnybunny2> live.remo.co
[08:23] <[exa]> Hi everyone! Just a quick question, does the "condensed" font display properly on the Ubuntu Design page for you? here https://design.ubuntu.com/font/
[08:23] <b247_eu> anyone with experience with wifi p2p on linux? i need to create a wifi p2p conn between my #ubuntu desktop (using wpa_cli) and a debian arm server (using connmann), in debian i can enable p2p and i see (and connect to it with my android), i want to be able to connect to this p2p wifi conn from my #ubuntu desktop also (it seems that i need to do some stuff on #ubuntu wifi driver to enable p2p ...)
[08:24] <bray90820> funnybunny2: Do you see the lock to the left of the website name in chrome?
[08:25] <guiverc> [exa], yes, I'd like more white space between lines for it & Ubuntu.. but that's just me.
[08:25] <funnybunny2> bray90820: Yes
[08:26] <bray90820> Click on that then click site settings in there there should be an option that says microphone change it from ether ask or blocked to allow
[08:27] <funnybunny2> I just tried Google Hangouts and it said no mic found
[08:27] <funnybunny2> wtf
[08:28] <funnybunny2> When I go to sound settings there's no input
[08:28] <[exa]> guiverc: no the poit is that I have the default "times" in the middle box there, on the website...so just kinda checking what's wrong
[08:28] <bray90820> ubuntu sound settings?
[08:28] <funnybunny2> Yes
[08:29] <bray90820> What Microphone is it?
[08:29] <MrAli> #exit
[08:30] <guiverc> [exa], I believe it's looks correct, the Condensed font looks like a Ubuntu font & I assume correct to me (firefox on groovy)
[08:30] <funnybunny2> bray90820: I dunno
[08:30] <funnybunny2> I'm on a laptop
[08:30] <bray90820> If it's the one built into the laptop then what's the laptop model
[08:30] <[exa]> ok I should probably view it on ubuntu, doesn't work from any other system/browser I tried...
[08:31] <funnybunny2> Thinkpad X1 Carbon 7
[08:31] <bray90820> And what version of ubuntu
[08:31] <funnybunny2> 18.04
[08:32] <guiverc> [exa], I suspect it'd look the same on debian for me, but I have Ubuntu fonts installed there too  (no time to check currently)
[08:33] <funnybunny2> This is why Linux is worse than Windows
[08:33] <bray90820> funnybunny2: The issues with that microphone have been fixed in 20.04 although I suspect you don't want to update
[08:33] <funnybunny2> Sure I do
[08:34] <funnybunny2> I just don't have time right atm. I'm trying to use my mic right now
[08:34] <funnybunny2> Oh well
[08:34] <bray90820> I could try to help you if you have a few minutes
[08:35] <bray90820> Can you pastebin for me the output of /etc/pulse/default.pa
[08:36] <[exa]> guiverc: yeah it fixes itself if I install them to system
[08:38] <bray90820> funnybunny2: can you pastebin for me the output of /etc/pulse/default.pa
[08:41] <funnybunny2> bray90820: Sorry, I'm busy now. I'll just update later
[08:41] <bray90820> Ok no probleme
[08:41] <funnybunny2> Thanks for helping
[08:42] <bray90820> No problem
[09:00] <funnybunny2> Does the newest installer have options for full disk encryption?
[09:18] <MonkeyDust> yes
[10:14] <Taggnostr> a couple of days ago I was trying to reinstall (k)ubuntu 20.04 over my 19.04, I selected manual partitioning in the installer, selected all the mount points for the existing partitions and left the format column unchecked, but when I did "install now" it said "No EFI System Partition was found.  This system will llikely not be able to boot successfully, and the installation process may fail. Please go back and add an EFI System Partition, or continue at
[10:14] <Taggnostr> your own risk"
[10:15] <Taggnostr> what can I do to fix this issue? maybe it's just a warning that I can ignore?
[10:17] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: was 19.04 installed in UEFI mode?
[10:18] <Taggnostr> jeremy31, I'm not sure, how can I check?
[10:18] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: If the HDD doesn't have a EFI System Partition, it likely wasn't installed in UEFI mode
[10:19] <Taggnostr> there is no efi partition
[10:20] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: disable UEFI in BIOS and then boot the ISO
[10:20] <juanonymous> will ubuntu 20.04 lts run on an old computer, bios firmware
[10:21] <Taggnostr> jeremy31, I checked the bios and the live usb is marked as UEFI, but otherwise I didn't seen UEFI enabled
[10:21] <Taggnostr> the "secure boot" option in the bios is set to "other os", which apparently means "get the optimized function when booting on Windows non-UEFI mode, Win visa/xp, or other ms secure boot non-compliant OS.  Only on Windows UEFI  mode that MS secure boot  can function properly", and the only other option is windows UEFI mode
[10:22] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: There might be a non-UEFI listing for the USB in the BIOS boot menu
[10:23] <Taggnostr> jeremy31, I could try to look for that -- in that case I just boot from the live usb in non-EUFI mode and the warning should just disappear?
[10:23] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: the warning should disappear if the ISO in booted in BIOS/Legacy mode rather than UEFI
[10:24] <Taggnostr> I wonder how/if the boot settings of the live usb affect the installation
[10:25] <jeremy31> If the ISO is booted in UEFI, you normally see a text based Grub menu at boot, in Legacy there might be a graphic with text that says Ubuntu automatic boot in x seconds
[10:25] <Taggnostr> yeah, I saw that
[10:26] <Taggnostr> I think I have both when I boot normally, and when I booted from the live usb
[10:28] <Taggnostr> jeremy31, I'm going to check the bios and see if I find a non-UEFI option for the live usb
[10:29] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: either that or add a EFI System Partition, 300-500MB with vfat/fat32 format, ESP and boot flags
[10:29] <Taggnostr> yes, there is a non-UEFI option
[10:31] <Taggnostr> now it's booting in non-UEFI mode, so I'm going to select again manual partitioning, specify again the mount point for all the partitions (including / and /home), leave all the "format?" checkboxes unchecked (last time they told me to leave the checkbox for / unchecked too, since apparently the installer can detect look into it to see what other packages I had installed on 19.04 before installing 20.04), then select the boot partition and see if the warning
[10:32] <Taggnostr> appears again
[10:33] <Taggnostr> how do I know which one is the right boot loader device/partition?
[10:33] <Taggnostr> is it the one where / is?
[10:36] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: Do you have just on hard drive?
[10:36] <jeremy31> one
[10:36] <Taggnostr> I have 3
[10:37] <Taggnostr> a 120G split in 20G for / and 100G for /home, and 2 hd under lvm with different partitions mounted on dirs in my home dir
[10:37] <jeremy31> I would install to the drive you are putting Ubuntu on as the bootloader doesn't normally get put on a partition
[10:38] <Taggnostr> ok, so the 20G partition used for /, right?
[10:39] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: the entire drive, not a partition /dev/sd? not /dev/sd??
[10:41] <Taggnostr> it offers me both /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1 | /dev/sdc2, so I guess I need to pick /dev/sdc (which is the 120G ssd)
[10:41] <jeremy31> sounds correct
[10:45] <Taggnostr> jeremy31, ok, I did "install now" and I'm getting a warning that says that / has not been marked for formatting and that /etc /lib /usr etc will be deleted during install, and to backup anything important
[10:45] <Taggnostr> I think that's expected and there shouldn't be anything important there
[10:45] <Taggnostr> I created a backup of /etc/fstab just in case
[10:46] <Taggnostr> the EFI warning didn't show up this time
[10:56] <Taggnostr> jeremy31, I'm getting another warning that says "The following partitions are going to be formatted: LVM VG dataa, LV swap as swap"
[10:57] <jeremy31> Taggnostr: Not sure about those
[10:57] <Taggnostr> the swap is under LVM so it should be ok, but I'm not sure about LVM VG data -- what is it going to format exactly?  nothing is checked under the "format?" column
[10:59] <jeremy31> I don't use LVM so I have no idea what might happen
[11:01] <Taggnostr> maybe I have to specify the filesystem
[11:10] <Taggnostr> it doesn't seem I can
[11:11] <DarkTrick> If I purge a package, but its files remain on disk, where is the problem? deb file not properly created?
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:20] <askhl> Hi.  HP Laptop is stuck in tablet mode (Ubuntu 20.04).  How can it be rehabilitated into a normal computer?
[11:29] <Taggnostr> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/370991/debian-installer-mentioned-that-unused-lvm-vg-and-lv-will-be-formatted is the closest to my problem that I can find, but it's not very helpful
[11:30] <Taggnostr> it says that "formatting" might mean "activating", but if that's not the meaning I will lose all my data
[12:00] <psichi> Hello, I am converting a friend's laptop from Fedora to Ubuntu. I remember manually installing RTL8821CE wifi/bt drivers for them on Fedora 29. Does Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS has these drivers built in? And if not, how do I install them?
[12:11] <jeremy31> psichi: in terminal>  sudo apt update && sudo apt install rtl8821ce-dkms
[12:11] <jeremy31> Secure Boot needs to be disabled
[12:11] <psichi> I think the laptop is in BIOS mode, but I will definitely check during installation
[12:12] <jeremy31> psichi: The driver might even be listed in the driver manager
[12:12] <psichi> jeremy31: I haven't installed Ubuntu in a long while. Where do I check the driver manager?
[12:13] <jeremy31> psichi: I think it is in Software and updates, additional drivers
[12:13] <psichi> That would be after the installation, if my memory is correct
[12:14] <psichi> Or would doing this in live boot also install the package for real?
[12:14] <jeremy31> psichi: I don't remember, but you would likely have to click the box about installing third party software/drivers
[12:14] <psichi> Alright! Thank you! :)
[12:33] <askhl> Sorry for repeat question, can anyone help me turn off tablet mode on a laptop?  Shouldn't doing that be simple?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> askhl, settings>input devices or some such, not real familiar with gnome
[12:46] <askhl> BluesKaj: I went through all the settings :(.  Some say you can tilt the laptop to disable the tablet mode, but it doesn't work for me (screen rotations otherwise do work)
[12:46] <askhl> Although maybe I can install additional settings programs that can do this...
[12:54] <BluesKaj> askhl, https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8r7mhc/disable_tablet_mode_while_using_ubuntu_on/
[13:00] <askhl> BluesKaj: Unfortunately that's not my problem.  OP in that thread can turn it off by tilting.  I cannot turn it off at all.  Disabling screen rotation also does not turn it off.
[13:00] <askhl> Also tried gnome tweak tool, but it isn't aware of tablet mode and provides no related options
[13:00] <BluesKaj> askhl, I was going mention , the paragraph below looks like it could work
[13:01] <askhl> It could, but it didn't :(
[13:01] <BluesKaj> not the the tilting part
[13:01] <askhl> Right, the disabling rotations part.  But that doesn't work.
[13:02] <askhl> I could wipe the system and reinstall, but if it turns back to tablet mode some day for some arbitrary reason then that's just unacceptable.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> askhl: is your laptop a convertable tablet or so?
[13:03] <askhl> lotuspsychje: Yes, it can turn the screen all the way back so it is shaped like a tablet.  Spent some time turning and unturning in case that would work.  No luck though
[13:04] <askhl> It's "obviously" supposed to become a laptop again when the screen is restored to the normal configuration.  But that doesn't happen.
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> askhl: wich device is this please
[13:05] <askhl> I spent quite some time now looking over the internet for different discussions but no luck, including some xinput/awk magic to turn off things.  (I also tried using xinput to turn *on* some things, since the real problem is that keyboard/touchpad are turned off)
[13:06] <askhl> HP Pavillion x360
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> tnx lemme check on that
[13:06] <askhl> 360 might even be a reference to this particular misfeature ...
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> askhl: i think there might be a few different angles to think about
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> askhl: being on gnome touch support can improve still a lot, unity desktop is still the better way to choose for touch devices. but in your case you want it to act like a laptop on your choice right
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> askhl: so there are a few bugs around with xorg and the virtual keyboard like for example bug #1880596
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> askhl: another tool you can consider is dconf-editor to find some tweaks on your device
[13:16] <askhl> lotuspsychje: I'm not interested in tablet mode.  It just went into tablet mode
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> askhl: check orientation-lock in dconf-editor
[13:18] <askhl> The login screen is also affected, i.e., all users
[13:18] <askhl> So I suspect dconf is not enough.  But I'll try
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> askhl: lets try, if not you can always file a fresh !bug about it
[13:21] <askhl> Indeed it blocks the changing of orientation, but it unfortunately does not enable the keyboard
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> askhl: what about screen-keyboard-enabled ?
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> and on-screen-keyboard
[13:27] <askhl> Those appear to control the onscreen keyboard, not the actual keyboard
[13:28] <askhl> Although I can barely control the computer due to its severe input deficiencies, so it's sometimes difficult to say
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> askhl: does your device have an Fn +F key combo to enable/disable ?
[13:29] <askhl> lotuspsychje: No apparent reaction
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> askhl: could you pastebin your dmesg please?
[13:33] <askhl> http://dcwww.camd.dtu.dk/~askhl/files/dmesg.txt
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> askhl: tnx, reading
[13:36] <tomreyn> askhl: try cleaning its touchscreen
[13:38] <askhl> tomreyn: Cleaning in what sense?
[13:38] <askhl> Physically it looks entirely clean
[13:39] <tomreyn> okay, that's what i mean. i'm just wondering whether maybe there are constant inputs detected on the screen. even if it looks clean, this may be a good idea juts to rule it out.
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> askhl: what comes to mind for me, is you could try updating to latest bios version if available, your current is 2015, dmesg spits a few acpi issues out
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> a touchpad warning aswell, psmouse serio1: synaptics: Your touchpad (PNP: SYN1eb1 PNP0f13) says it can support a different bus. If i2c-hid and hid-rmi are not used, you might want to try setting psmouse.synaptics_intertouch to 1 and report this to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:40] <tomreyn> xev could probably tell (i'm unsure whether it handles touch input, but it probably does)
[13:42] <askhl> tomreyn: I incidentally tried xev.  The keyboard generates no X events
[13:44] <tomreyn> askhl: hmm okay then it's probably something else.
[13:44] <Doc-Saintly> I have a touchpad and the bottom click area seems to be interpreted as 3 buttons, left, middle, right/ It's not a physical switch thing, because in Windows it's just left and right. How do I make it so there is no middle button area, and it's just using left click and right click?
[13:45] <Doc-Saintly> without disabling the part that is currently interpreted as middle. basically, I want left to be 50% and right to be 50%
[13:45] <Doc-Saintly> I keep closing things because I tap within the 50% area of left, but it's actually in the "middle" button area.
[13:45] <askhl> Another piece of information: The keyboard works during boot: I can enter/edit BIOS settings, choose boot modes etc.  But some software then disables the keyboard and touchpad when Ubuntu boots.
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> askhl: i found an old bug about your cherry keyboard bug #986359
[13:51] <askhl> lotuspsychje: Hmm.  The problem is related to the laptop's own keyboard, whereas the bug appears related to USB keyboards.  Incidentally I have a USB keyboard connected which does work.
[13:52] <askhl> I could try to update the BIOS but I think this is something caused by Ubuntu.  After all the keyboard works in the boot menu etc.
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> askhl: your cherry keyboard is the external one you use?
[13:53] <askhl> So, uh, what's a cherry keyboard exactly?
[13:53] <askhl> Oh you got that from dmesg, now I get it.  Indeed it says "Cherry".
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> askhl: input: Cherry GmbH SmartBoard XX44 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-4/1-4.2/1-4.2:1.0/0003:046A:0010.0003/input/input10
[13:53] <askhl> That's the external USB keyboard.  It works correctly (apart from being old and partially broken)
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> ah ok tnx to confirm
[13:54] <askhl> Sorry for the confusion.
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> askhl: dont worry not your fault
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: i have an idea, maybe you could try installing unity desktop and compare its behaviour with gnome, this way we can rule out its really a bug about booting, or gnome
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> askhl: ^
[14:01] <askhl> lotuspsychje: trying to install stuff like gnome-flashback right now
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> askhl: ok also possible
[14:08] <askhl> lotuspsychje: I cannot find any way of choosing other login modes :(.  The login screen might already be suffering from tablet sickness.
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> askhl: you cant touch the little gear to pick another login?
[14:09] <askhl> There's a little gear but when I press it, it opens the onscreen keyboard instead
[14:10] <askhl> Then the gear is greyed out and pressing it has no effect
[14:10] <Taggnostr> when I try to reinstall (k)ubuntu 20.04 over 19.04 on a machine with lvm, I'm getting a warning during the manual partitioning that says "The following partitions are going to be formatted: LVM VG data, LV swap as swap", even though I just specified ext4 and the old mount point for all the partitions and didn't check anything in the "format?" column -- what does it mean?
[14:10] <ComputerTech> Hi
[14:10] <ComputerTech> can anyone help me with port forwarding?
[14:14] <askhl> lotuspsychje: Thank you very much for all the help but I give up now.
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> askhl: try unity desktop + bios update
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | askhl
[14:15] <askhl> Thanks, it'll have to be later though (something about food)
[14:15] <Taggnostr> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/370991/debian-installer-mentioned-that-unused-lvm-vg-and-lv-will-be-formatted is the closest to my problem that I was able to find, but it's not very helpful.  I'm also considering unplugging the two disks that are under lvm during the reinstall (I'll be reinstalling on a third disk that is not under lvm), but I'm not sure if that will cause other problems (e.g. mess up the lvm configuration and make the partitions
[14:15] <Taggnostr> inaccessible)
[14:16] <askhl> Again thank you for all the help.
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> askhl: laterz
[14:21] <ComputerTech> so for my silly question
[14:21] <ComputerTech> anyone got a good simple guide for port forwarding?
[14:35] <ComputerTech> do i need a static ip for port forwarding?
[14:35] <ComputerTech> for my router?
[14:37] <isene> After having tried various paths to realising speech-to-text in a terminal, I throw in the towel and ask here. Is there a SIMPLE howto for a working speech-to-text in ubuntu?
[14:44] <jokoon> can somebody send me a picture of those characters displayed right? ꚸꛂꛚꛞꛣꛨꛮ꩜ꫥ𐀊𐀤𐀮𐀳𐀷𐁖𐄋𐄍𐄎𐄕𐄗𐄜𐄝𐄡𐄢𐅋𐅜𐅠𐅣𐅰𐅽𐆕𐆖
[14:44] <jokoon> oops are those 0000?
[14:45] <ComputerTech> lol totally ubuntu related xD
[14:45] <jokoon> sorry no idea where to ask
[14:45] <Taggnostr> I can see them all fine, have you tried pasting them in a browser window and see if they are ok there?
[14:45] <jokoon> im on windows, they don't show up
[14:46] <jokoon> they don't display in fireefox
[14:46] <Taggnostr> you might need to install some unicode font then
[14:46]  * ComputerTech is on windows as well
[14:47] <tieinv> maby ask in ##windows
[14:48] <tieinv> *mabye
[14:49] <ComputerTech> or #firefox
[14:49] <ComputerTech> <_<
[14:53] <tomreyn> ComputerTech: your port forwarding is more of a ##networking question, unless you're doing the port forwarding on an ubuntu system?
[14:53] <ComputerTech> yeah i am
[14:53] <ComputerTech> thats why i came here
[14:54] <tomreyn> okay, so you'll need to set up iptables rules
[14:54] <tomreyn> and an RFC1918 subnet for the LAN, assigned to the LAN interface
[14:55] <ComputerTech> ok
[14:55] <Euph0ria> Good day all.  Does anyone know where to find a guide to installing Mint/Ubuntu with BTRFS compression?
[14:55] <ComputerTech> can i ask a quick question first?
[14:56] <tomreyn> ComputerTech: this looks like a quick question, and you seem to have asked it successfully. so you can safely assume you can do so for another, too.
[14:56] <ComputerTech> ok
[14:56] <ComputerTech> does using mobile broadband, (ip changes all the time) affect port forwarding?
[14:57] <tomreyn> Euph0ria: this channel only supports Ubuntu installations and users.
[14:58] <Euph0ria> tomreyn: Ubuntu then, of course.
[14:58] <tomreyn> ComputerTech: affect: yes, prevent: no. try to get a general understanding of ip forwarding and NAT foirst of all.
[14:58] <ComputerTech> ok
[15:26] <max12345> Hey all, just to confirm, dist-upgrade should upgrade my distribution right?
[15:29] <ThinkT510> max12345: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" just installs all updates including new packages (like kernels). It does not upgrade you to a new release.
[15:35] <tomreyn> that's unless you edited sources.list to point to a different release. but then you'd be doing it wrong.
[15:53] <kenperkins> ok, so it appears my new laptop doesn't unsuspend when opening the lid, and appears it doesn't save battery; where is a good place to look for probelms
[15:58] <fauen> :q
[16:00] <isene> Upon running ' fwupdmgr update ' I get " failed to write data to efivarfs: Error writing to file descriptor: Input/output error ". Any idea how to debug this?
[16:05] <RERO> hi
[16:17] <titular_human> sup RERO
[16:18] <isene> How do I in one command log into my laptop via ssh and run a command to the X server on my laptop to launch an application on my laptop?
[16:20] <akemhp> isene, I think you just type your command at the end of the ssh connection command, see the manpage.
[16:20] <akemhp> isene, You may need to add: DISPLAY=:0.0 before your command.
[16:20] <Maik> titular_human: long gone
[16:20] <Maik> :)
[16:21] <shadow255> isene: ssh -Yf <host-address> <command>
[16:21] <titular_human> You right
[16:21] <akemhp> Or whatever is your Xserver, it maybe just :0 or :0.1, check it: echo $DISPLAY on the xserver(not on ssh or tty).
[16:21] <titular_human> didn't even notice :\
[16:23] <shadow255> isene: ignore my suggestion, that would be to run the application on the connecting machine
[16:24] <shadow255> or more properly said, to display it on the connecting machine
[16:26] <isene> akemhp: OK, so let's say I do this: I issue a an ssh command, adding "./script" and in that script, I want to issue a command to open e.g. zathura on that PC. What should the command inside that script then be?
[16:27] <akemhp> most likely just 'DISPLAY=:0.0 zathura'
[16:27] <Lutin> hi guys, is there a way to cache a ppa add in squid or so ?
[16:28] <akemhp> '& disown' if you want to detach the process. (or use nohup, whichever works better)
[16:50] <isene> akemhp: OK - almost got the setup working, I have the script on my PC with simply this "DISPLAY=:0 zathura &". Whwn I ssh to my PC from Termux on my mobile and then run the script, it indeed fires up zathura on my PC. But if I run ' ssh user@pc /home/user/script ' it goes into an ssh session and reports " sh: 2: /home/user/script: not found "  ...which I find weird
[16:52] <akemhp> isene, Can't tell since it works on your mobile, maybe on the PC you need a flag or something...I never tried something like this.
[16:54] <shadow255> isene, you want -f as a paramater in that ssh command
[16:54] <shadow255> s/paramater/parameter/
[16:54] <Kali_Yuga> Hello how do I start "check disk for defects" again when booting up?
[16:55] <niko1990> hello everyone
[16:56] <niko1990> could someone recommend me a gui file search tool with that i can search for files for example modified in the year 2010 till 2011? Or is there a way to do this type of search with nautilus, too?
[16:56] <isene> shadow255: Where does the -f command go? Could you spell out the command for me?
[16:57] <shadow255> 'ssh -f user@pc /home/user/script'
[16:58] <isene> shadow255: Then I get " Cannot fork i to background without a command to execute. "
[16:58] <shadow255> isene: hmm, let me check man page
[17:00] <shadow255> isene: my mistake
[17:01] <shadow255> isene: you need to double-check your path/script name, I see no reason for the error you received
[17:01] <isene> shadow255: The full usecase is this: I fire up a Ruby script in Termux on my mobile that in a voice asks "SSH to what address?" I then tell my mobile the address. The script transforms that spoken address (via termux-speech-to-text) to an ssh command that is supposed to ssh into my PC and run a script that launces stuff on my PC and then disconnects the ssh connection. It's a poor man's voice
[17:01] <isene> control of a PC
[17:02] <shadow255> isene: it may actually be best in your case not to try to specify full path for the script
[17:04] <shadow255> isene: try 'ssh user@pc ~/script' instead perhaps
[17:07] <isene> I found the issue - it is tryoing to run the script ON MY MOBILE - instead of on my PC (and since the script resides on my PC, it obviously doesn't find it on my mobile"
[17:08] <isene> So, how do I run a script on the DESTINATION after an ssh connection is established?
[17:09] <shadow255> isene: I am a bit perplexed, because according to man pages the command you have should run in the context of the remote machine
[17:10] <isene> shadow255: That is what perplexes me as well. But I have a hunch. Lemme check a few things
[17:17] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I'm helping someone here, can someone tell me what this means? https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=19452688 , can you still install ubuntu on broken hardware like this? It doesn't look healthy I know...
[17:17] <Kali_Yuga> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-check_exception
[17:34] <jorvis> I have a Dell G3 and used Ubuntu 18.04 for over a year with no issues at all.  I upgraded to 20.04 and it freezes constantly now.  I've tried three different nvideo drivers including the latest 450-beta and it just keeps happening.  I'm not sure what to look at next
[17:35] <oerheks> jorvis, for what videocard?
[17:36] <oerheks> seen lots of issues with the newest 450 driver and older cards, that should use 340
[17:37] <jorvis> GeForce(R) GTX 1660 Ti
[17:37] <jorvis> After updating to 450 driver it locks on login screen every time now
[17:39] <oerheks> oke, 1660, you might want to try newer drivers from the driver-ppa, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers
[17:39] <oerheks> 450.66-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:40] <jorvis> Trying to figure out how to get to a terminal now.  Locks on login screen, can't CTRL-alt-F1 or any others
[17:42] <jorvis> How can I see which driver is being used from the command line?
[17:43] <EriC^^> jorvis: lshw -c video
[17:44] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list // lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[17:44] <oerheks> i would just add the ppa and upgrade
[17:45] <jorvis> To my knowlege that's how I got the 450 driver installed
[17:46] <jorvis> EriC^^: In that command I see the driver listed as nvidia but nothing about version.  Also there are two displays: the 1660 and another "UHD Graphics 630"
[17:47] <oerheks> oh then you do not run the 450-beta
[17:48] <jorvis> ubuntu-drivers list shows 418-server, 450, 440-server and 435, but no indication of which is active
[17:49] <jorvis> oerheks:  Your command shows to lines of 'in use': i915 and nvidia
[17:49] <jorvis> Do I need to blacklist nouveau?
[17:50] <EriC^^> jorvis: hmm "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" might show which package version is currently installed
[17:51] <jorvis> Eric^^: That gives 56 lines of output.  Many entries for nvidia versions 390, 440 and 450
[17:51] <jorvis> And 435
[17:52] <EriC^^> jorvis: try     dpkg -l | awk '$1 =="ii" && "$2 ~ /nvidia/'
[17:54] <jorvis> Got runaway string on that, but if I changed "$2 to just be $2 it still shows 46 lines of output
[17:55] <EriC^^> sorry
[17:55] <EriC^^> jorvis: dpkg -l | awk '$1 == "ii" && $2 ~ /nvidia/'
[17:55] <jorvis> Oh - the third column on almost all of them references 450.66 though
[17:56] <jorvis> The only ones which don't are nvidia-prime (0.8.14) and the kernel itself (5.4.0)
[17:56] <EriC^^> oh
[17:57] <EriC^^> jorvis: which one is recommended in 'sudo ubuntu-driver devices' ?
[17:58] <jorvis> nvidia-driver-450 - third-party free recommended
[17:59] <jorvis> (I really appreciate the help, btw)
[17:59] <EriC^^> jorvis: hmm, try 'apt-cache policy ubuntu-driver-450'
[18:00] <jorvis> Unable to locate package.  Did you mean nvidia-driver-450?
[18:00] <EriC^^> ah sorry, yes
[18:00] <jorvis> Says a bit there, what am I looking for?  Shows that the installed is 450.66 and that it came from ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers ....
[18:01] <EriC^^> oh ok
[18:01] <EriC^^> so the ppa one is installed currently
[18:03] <EriC^^> jorvis: nvidia 440 is coming up in some threads that it works well with the 20.04, but for the 1650 and likely the 1660 too
[18:03] <EriC^^> did you try the 440 version?
[18:03] <jorvis> Yes, and it did better but still froze almost daily
[18:06] <oerheks> nvidia says 418 and higher..
[18:07] <EriC^^> jorvis: hmm it seems it might work with a kernel parameter according to a thread online, snd_hda_intel.dmic_detect=0
[18:07] <EriC^^> jorvis: it will let the sound work but will disable the microphone
[18:07] <EriC^^> not sure how that's related to the image, but in the thread on booting freezing it seems to have worked
[18:07] <EriC^^> ( https://www.dell.com/community/Linux-General/Freezing-boot-Ubuntu-20-04-Dell-G3-3590/td-p/7636916 )
[18:08] <jorvis> It's OK if it disables the mic as long as a headset mic can still work.  Son has to use this laptop for classroom zooms
[18:09] <EriC^^> jorvis: ok, type 'sudo nano /etc/default/grub'
[18:10] <jorvis> I'm there, where do I add nd_hda_intel.dmic_detect=0 ?
[18:11] <EriC^^> jorvis: in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash snd_hda_intel.dmic_detect=0"
[18:12] <EriC^^> note the s before nd at the start
[18:13] <EriC^^> then save and exit with ctrl+x     and run "sudo update-grub"
[18:17] <jorvis> OK, after doing that I was able to get past the login screen
[18:17] <jorvis> I'll leave it up and see what happens, thanks!
[18:19] <EriC^^> jorvis: great! no problem
[18:32] <m0th3rsup3r10r> hi i need help setting up an NFS share
[18:34] <m0th3rsup3r10r> do i first need to configure for a static IP address?
[18:34] <m0th3rsup3r10r> or can it be looked up by hostname?
[18:34] <oerheks> m0th3rsup3r10r, did you find our great wiki? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo  and https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-nfs
[18:34] <kk4ewt> it helps or control the dhcp so it give the ip to the same name
[18:35] <oerheks> yes, i would use a service with a static ip
[18:38] <m0th3rsup3r10r> how is that IP number determined in export? <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,fsid=0,insecure,no_subtree_check,async)
[18:41] <m0th3rsup3r10r> in the example on that page
[18:42] <m0th3rsup3r10r> is that the address of the router or the server . . .
[18:44] <kk4ewt> server
[18:44] <kk4ewt> you see that howto is how to setup a nfs server for your internal network
[18:55] <max12345> hey, I just upgraded and it broke my wallpaper. SVG doesn't get strechted as it should be. How do I fix it?
[19:29] <kenperkins> ok, so fresh install of 20.04.1 on new amd laptop; when I "suspend" the screen goes blank but leaves a single _ character in the top left corner
[19:33] <oerheks> kenperkins, did you follow the wiki? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-autosuspend.html.en  ---- https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-suspendfail.html.en
[19:34] <kenperkins> ty @oerheks I'll look, no i didn't know where to start
[19:41] <kenperkins> @oerheks looks like it does correctly suspend and wake up, but it doesn't suspend when the lid is closed; where would I find settings for that
[19:45] <EriC^^> kenperkins: settings > power maybe
[19:57] <oft_gegong> !discuss
[20:08] <quantum> Long-time KDE user, but force to Gnome for SilverBlue.  I notice that my user is a sudoer.  Whenever anything asks for verification it wants my user's password, not root's.  If I edit sudoers and take my user out, will the system then default to asking for root's password, like God intended?
[20:10] <oft_gegong> quantum, if that was the case you might as well `su -c' `man su'
[20:10] <Gaming4JC> the point of using sudo is to avoid using the root account, so it escalates the user temporarily for the specific command. In short, no.
[20:11] <quantum> Seems like ppl aren't understanding the goal.
[20:11] <oft_gegong> quantum, you could go:   `alias sudo2='su -c'' I'm 38% sure that would work
[20:11] <quantum> I don't want my user to be a sudoer.  I do most things as root because I've run Linux exclusively for 22 years.
[20:12] <quantum> Just asking about removing my user from sudoers.  Would the system then know to go to root for prived applications?
[20:12] <oft_gegong> quantum, I think those programs use gksu or something like that
[20:13] <quantum> Prob easier to just do it.
[20:13] <oerheks> this is basicly by design, 1st user created is in sudoers.. add a new user, and work with that?
[20:13] <oerheks> btw there is no root password
[20:13] <quantum> There is now.
[20:13] <oerheks> no there is not.
[20:13] <oft_gegong> unless you go `sudo passwd'
[20:13] <GrandPa-G> being realistic, for a home with 6 windows pcs and 1 mac, kids and adults, needing > 2TB of shared storage, is a Linux type box a good place to set up a file server?
[20:13] <quantum> Don't want any users as sudoers.
[20:14] <oerheks> quantum, make a fresh user, solved.
[20:14] <quantum> I went with `sudo passwd'
[20:14] <quantum> Egh
[20:14] <oerheks> oh, that is bad.
[20:14] <Gaming4JC> GrandPa-G: sure, but you might also want to check out FreeNAS if you want something a little more... easy to manage.
[20:14] <oft_gegong> GrandPa-G, a file server? you mean like samba-shared servers?
[20:15] <GrandPa-G> yes.  What ubuntu flavour would you recommend for it?
[20:17] <oft_gegong> GrandPa-G, what you could do is an FTP server with FTP logins
[20:17] <n-iCe> Is there any better optimized for laptop/tablets?
[20:17] <GrandPa-G> oft_gegong, I guess I don't understand you reasoning that it would be that hard.
[20:17] <oft_gegong> n-iCe, first off: what's wrong with windows? What do you find wrong with windows?
[20:17] <GrandPa-G> oft_gegong, ftp is much harder than just doing a network share
[20:17] <Gaming4JC> n-iCe: Lubuntu (works better on netbooks/lowend laptops, if you need that)
[20:18] <n-iCe> Gaming4JC better than xubuntu would you say?
[20:18] <oerheks> !flavors
[20:18] <oerheks> lubuntu for low end machines..
[20:18] <oft_gegong> GrandPa-G, you might as well do encrypted filesystems through a USB flash drive you all keep around the house.
[20:19] <n-iCe> oft_gegong well Linux is supposed to be better optimized isn't? Or using less resources is a 4GB ram tablet 128Ssd and n3540 2.16 intel pentium I guess Linux would run faster don't you think
[20:19] <GrandPa-G> oft_gegong, that is a non-starter of an idea.
[20:19] <oft_gegong> n-iCe, I never heard of linux on a tablet though
[20:20] <n-iCe> oft_gegong it's has a pc system
[20:20] <n-iCe> Just no keyboard haha like a tablet
[20:20] <Gaming4JC> n-iCe: xubuntu is another good option tbh, both are less heavy than Gnome/KDE
[20:21] <n-iCe> Ok awesome!
[20:21] <n-iCe> Thanks
[20:21] <n-iCe> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q8QbLTryTdVntZNZ8
[20:21] <n-iCe> That's the device
[20:21] <n-iCe> It's a small laptop
[20:22] <n-iCe> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cUkHDjxjF327vDtJ6
[20:43] <n-iCe> Does ubuntu have tablet mode?
[20:45] <oerheks> tablet mode with onscreen keyboard are atomaticly selected
[20:52] <kenperkins> can you think of a reason "log out" from ubuntu UI would leave me unable to get back to a login prompt and having to resort to resetting power?
[20:53] <TheMadDrizzle> Wondering if anyone can tell me why I can't view new updated nvidia drivers through ubuntu-drivers?  I know nvidia-440 and nvidia-450 are released, but they're not displayed.  Trying to avoid manual install if at all possible.
[20:56] <oerheks> on what ubuntu version, TheMadDrizzle ?
[20:56] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-drivers list # should show them anyway ( after 10-20 seconds)
[20:56] <TheMadDrizzle> UbuntuStudio 20.04 LTS (running low-latency kernel if that's of any conciquence)
[20:57] <TheMadDrizzle> oerheks, Only shows me nvidia-390 and nvidia-340 and the xnoveau
[20:57] <oerheks> i guess it only shows compatible drivers?
[20:57] <TheMadDrizzle> Would my low latency kernel limit that?
[20:58] <TheMadDrizzle> Because I've seen 440 has low-latency modules attached to it.
[20:58] <jeremy31> It really depends on the module alias list in the package list
[20:58] <TheMadDrizzle> Alias list?  I'm not familiar with that.
[20:58] <Bashing-om> TheMadDrizzle: I too do not show the 450 version driver in our repo - however the driver is available in our trusted PPA: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa .
[20:59] <TheMadDrizzle> Bashing-om, Yes, I've tried the manual install today but it disables my ability to switch graphics drivers through the standard software settings.
[21:01] <Bashing-om> TheMadDrizzle: Might check with Nvida that the driver you are attempting to install is valid: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us .
[21:06] <frad> iuse mkv-merge to trim video files. I like it because it doesn't change the size of the file, it simply cuts. Now, is there any command to trim the sides of a video file no increasing the file's size?
[21:08] <TheMadDrizzle> Bashing-om, Well shit, only 390 is displayed.
[21:08] <TheMadDrizzle> *as compatible with my gpu.
[21:09] <Bashing-om> TheMadDrizzle: Smart system, huh ?
[21:09] <Jordan_U> frad: It looks like the tools in the mkvtoolnix package are all terminal based. Are you using a GUI front end for them currently?
[21:09] <TheMadDrizzle> ?  Smart system?
[21:09] <frad> no Jordan_U ,terminal
[21:10] <Bashing-om> TheMadDrizzle: Samart as in will not list the drivers that are not compatible.
[21:11] <TheMadDrizzle> Bashing-om, Yeah.  I was just trying to find a workarround to get my kid Fortnite on the computer but it appears I can brute force it or just upgrade my GPU... Probably going to find a workarround =D
[21:12] <Jordan_U> frad: I guess I misunderstood your question then. Are you saying that you currently use mkvmerge to trim a video for time, and you want to know if there is a way to do something similar with cropping of a video, changing the aspect ratio?
[21:13] <frad> wording could have been better I guess... :D yes, I want to trim the right side of a video file
[21:13] <frad> Jordan_U,
[21:13] <Jordan_U> frad: I don't expect that that's something that you can do without re-encoding the video, but I'm not certain.
[21:14] <frad> if I have to re encode I will increase file sizing, correct?
[21:18] <Jordan_U> frad: Not necessarily. You can re-encode with more lossy compression, or tell the encoder to take more time to compress as much as it can with little quality loss. Any re-encoding will lead to some video quality loss, but it may not be noticeable, and you may not care. Transcoding video will take a long time though, especially if it's HD or you have a slow machine.
[21:19] <frad> Jordan_U, the file is 1280x720, I want to trim / cut off 220 pixels from the right. Is that changing the aspect ratio? I though 'aspect ratio' doesnt imply loss of material / data
[21:36] <Jordan_U> frad: The aspect ratio is the ratio of width to height. So 16:9 and 4:3 are two common aspect ratios. If you are changing the aspect ratio, then how you change it determines if information is lost. If you have a video that was supposed to be 16:9 but was encoded into a 4:3 video accidentally, and so it looks squashed horizontally as opposed to having black bars, then you can convert to a 16:9 video
[21:36] <Jordan_U> losslessly by changing the metadata in the video to not use square pixels. This is actually how DVDs encode 16:9 video, it's the same number of pixels, but they're just not square :). If you have a video of yourself that you want to crop the right half of because it includes your cat being destracting, taking your aspect ration from 16:9 to 8:9 then you're obviously going to be throwing away some pixels.
[21:36] <Jordan_U> Does that make sense?
[21:37] <frad> beautifully explained Jordan_U thanks
[21:38] <Jordan_U> frad: It looks like the Matroska container format does allow you to crop by just changing the metadata, but that crop might not actually be done by many players: https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=254218
[21:38] <Jordan_U> frad: You're welcome.
[21:41] <kenperkins> how do I troubleshoot suspend/unsuspend not working as expected
[21:49] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: Looking through journalctl logs is probably a good place to start. What goes wrong when you try to suspend / resume?
[21:51] <kenperkins> @Jordan_U suspend seems to "mostly" work, except the screen doesn't fully turn off, it leaves a single underscore character on the screen (everything else black)
[21:51] <kenperkins> but it doesn't unsuspend when you press a key or what not
[21:52] <kenperkins> the keyboard lights up, but the screen stays stuck in the _ state
[21:52] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: That to me sounds like it not actually suspending, though I guess the CPU could be suspended and just the GPU / screen isn't.
[21:53] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: Can you ssh into the machine after a failed suspend / resume?
[21:54] <kenperkins> that was on my list to test
[21:56] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: Do you know how many times you have rebooted since the last failed suspend / resume? (If so, we can look up logs from just that boot from journalctl)
[21:56] <kenperkins> it's a new machine; i've been rebooting a ton today
[21:56] <kenperkins> can not ssh after "suspend"
[22:03] <n-iCe> Can anyone give me a hand, I can't get sound in latest ubuntu
[22:03] <n-iCe> It's weird because is detecting my card
[22:03] <n-iCe> And I see how the sound bar under sound menu is moving in firefox
[22:04] <n-iCe> I don't know if I explain my issue hehe
[22:04] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: Does that mean that you just tried to suspsend / resume, and had to force a reboot just now? So the failed suspend / resume was on your last boot?
[22:06] <kenperkins> no, the failed resume was not most recent
[22:06] <kenperkins> i'm having a hard time consistently reproducing it
[22:07] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: Ahh.
[22:08] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: Please pastebin the output of "journalctl --unit systemd-suspend.service" .
[22:12] <kenperkins> ok, I just got it to not unsleep
[22:13] <kenperkins> so even though the keyboard light came on, it can't be ssh'd to; so do you want me to hard reset (yank the battery) or will that wipe logs?
[22:13] <n-iCe> Anyone?
[22:14] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: Try REISUB first.
[22:15] <Jordan_U> !sysrq | kenperkins
[22:15] <Bashing-om> !sound | n-iCe
[22:20] <Jordan_U> kenperkins: Then when you boot up again, please run "journalctl --boot -1". If you look through it and it doesn't seem like there's anything private, there most likely isn't, then please pastebin the complete output with "journalctl --boot 1 | pastebinit".
[22:21] <kenperkins> no dice, will look at the boot logs after reboot and pastebin it
[22:23] <kenperkins> https://termbin.com/gs7t
[22:28] <n-iCe> Bashing-om thing is the sound panel icon everything seems to be playing the audio but I can't hear it
[22:30] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Changed the output device ? speaker/headphone ?
[22:31] <n-iCe> Bashing-om thins is a tablet
[22:31] <n-iCe> Thing
[22:31] <n-iCe> There is only internal output
[22:33] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Maybe the software does not know that there is but " only internal output ". Some setting somewhere to direct the output ?
[22:33] <n-iCe> Did not get you
[22:39] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: What shows ' pavucontrol ' >> output devices ?
[22:40] <n-iCe> Is not installed
[22:43] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Do not know - I can however flounder along with you. what shows ' alsamixer ' ?
[22:45] <n-iCe> Bashing-om https://photos.app.goo.gl/LchN2z2yX27AkSft5
[22:45] <n-iCe> That's what appeared
[22:56] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Looks to me like the "master" is set to zero. As to how to reset that level I do not know.
[23:01] <n-iCe> Bashing-om máster is set to lie 80%
[23:01] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Is the package  "pulseaudio" installed so we can continue troubleshooting ? ' dpkg -l pulseaudio ' .
[23:08] <Bashing-om> n-iCe: Got to be away for a spell . perhaps others here can assist in my absence.
[23:09] <n-iCe> Thanks
[23:46] <pankid> I am trying to lookup the deails on the python 3 package for 16.04, and looks like I am getting an internal server error from https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/
[23:46] <pankid> anyone else having the same error?


[00:25] <ScottK> cjwatson: Since I don't know C++, there's no risk of me laughing.  Anyone else that wants to complain can write a 'better' patch.  I'll try and test it later tonight or tomorrow.  Thanks.
[02:33] <lamont> SpamapS: actually, I just cargo-culted the solution that was used in bind9 :)
[02:34] <lamont> that'll be in -2
[04:14] <pitti_> Good morning
[05:24] <mwhudson> hm, i guess upstart sends signals to the entire process group of a process started by 'exec ...' when you say "service $name stop"?
[05:33]  * mwhudson finds the setsid program
[07:53] <tkamppeter> pitti, ping
[08:03] <pitti> tkamppeter: pong
[08:13] <Sweetshark> moin!
[09:30] <seb128> @pilot in
[09:36] <fasta> I get mtrr: type mismatch for e0000000, 10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining.
[09:36] <fasta> I also set some option in make menuconfig which should work around that.
[09:36] <fasta> Except, it doesn't.
[09:36] <fasta> Does anyone know how to fix that?
[09:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, the CUPS repo is updated to use /var/cache/cups/ppd-updates to manage the updates now. Can you upload it to Debian and Ubuntu? Thanks.
[09:40] <pitti> tkamppeter: thanks; got your mail, will do ASAP
[10:07] <seb128> cjwatson, hi, could you have a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/ifupdown/oneiric-201108091411/+merge/71877 when you have a moment? It seems that got dropped from the vcs when you did the merge on debian, should that be reapplied is or is deprecated in some way?
[10:08] <cjwatson> ok, I'll have a look, thanks
[10:09] <cjwatson> looks fine, I'll remerge
[10:16] <seb128> cjwatson, thank you!
[10:23] <pitti> james_w: is it possible to unbreak ubuntu:gvfs? it's out of date
[10:32] <pitti> tkamppeter: uploaded
[11:07] <seb128> slangasek, mvo:
[11:07] <seb128> lp:ubuntu/upstart
[11:07] <seb128> Most recent Ubuntu version: 1.3-0ubuntu6
[11:07] <seb128> Packaging branch version: 1.3-0ubuntu4
[11:07] <seb128> Packaging branch status: OUT-OF-DATE
[11:08] <seb128> just pointing it because I was reviewed https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/oneiric/upstart/fixes-for-user-sessions/+merge/69125 from the sponsoring queue which got uploaded but the vcs is somewhat outdated
[11:22] <pitti> apw: hey Andy, how are you?
[11:22] <pitti> apw: do you have an opinion about bug 812394?
[11:22] <pitti> apw: I'm still fairly convinced that hibernation failures are mostly not correlated to the particular board/video card you are using, but much rather to partitioning/swap space/attached USB devices/memleaks/etc.
[11:23] <pitti> apw: do you know if there is some actual evidence that hibernation failures _are_ specific to a particular platform, and thus would benefit from a whitelist?
[11:36] <doko> cjwatson, slangasek: shouldn't the klibc symlink be part of multiarch-compat too?
[11:37] <cjwatson> uh, I'm not really sure what the goal of multiarch-compat is but I think libklibc-dev should be self-contained
[11:37] <cjwatson> if possible
[11:38] <cjwatson> siretart: can I apply http://lists.libav.org/pipermail/libav-devel/2011-August/009825.html in Ubuntu?
[11:38] <cjwatson> siretart: I noticed it while porting xvidcap
[11:45] <fasta> Is there anyone anywhere who understands mtrr in detail?
[11:47] <fasta> I have the latest BIOS, latest kernel and still I get an error message I get mtrr: type mismatch for e0000000, 10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining.
[11:47] <fasta> There are soms posts on the ubuntu forums which say they have a 'work around', but generally people on the forums don't really know what they are talking about... so.
[11:48] <fasta> Also, this is from 2006: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=115104
[11:48] <fasta> I'd hoped that such an issue would have been fixed in 2011.
[11:51] <siretart> cjwatson: in principle yes. usually, the build system experts respond quite quickly, and I'd prefer to backport patches from trunk, so I'd personally wait until tomorrow or so.
[12:00] <cjwatson> siretart: ok, thanks
[12:18] <apw> pitti, i am unsure if i have that information.  cirtainly suspend is normally broken cause of driver suspend failures (ie specific h/w not suspending) or bios problems when resuming
[12:19] <apw> pitti, for hibernate i would expect a large amount if not being able to hibernate are caused by the driver suspend issues
[12:19] <pitti> apw: that's right, but that shoudn't affect hibernation?
[12:19] <pitti> does hibernation suspend the hw?
[12:48] <seb128> @pilot out
[13:13] <OdyX> tkamppeter: pong.
[13:18] <aram> hi. I need some help with building a package (never used source packages before). basically I want to build python2.7 with an additional patch. I did an apt-get source python2.7 and I have rebuilt it with pbuilder (to test the tools).
[13:19] <aram> but I don't understand where should I put my patch and how to make the .deb package compile using an additional compile option.
[13:19] <aram> I see a lot of patches in the debian subdirectory, but those seem to have a different purpose.
[13:20] <aram> so what's the next step after apt-get source? applying the patch manually to the source (not as a debian patch)?
[13:21] <azeem_> aram: why do you think the patches in the debian subdirectory serve a different purpose?
[13:22] <azeem_> or rather, what's the purpose of your patch?
[13:22] <aram> this patch brings dtrace support to python.
[13:22] <aram> the patches in the debian subdirectory seem patches of patches.
[13:22] <aram> at least the ones I looked at.
[13:22] <azeem_> patches of patches?
[13:23] <azeem_> did you look at the diff.gz?
[13:23] <aram> yes, at diff.gz
[13:23] <azeem_> or the unpacked source?
[13:23] <aram> no, diff.gz
[13:23] <azeem_> well, then sure, a patch inside the .diff.gz would look like a patch of patch
[13:23] <azeem_> as the .diff.gz is a patch in itself
[13:24] <ahasenack> hey guys, is this a new/old way of distributing a debian source package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-venusian/0.9-1 I don't see a diff, but a "debian" tarball which has the debian/* contents
[13:24] <azeem_> ahasenack: that's the new way
[13:24] <StevenK> ahasenack: It's a new way
[13:24] <azeem_> (dpkg-source -v3)
[13:24] <ahasenack> oh
[13:24] <aram> azeem_: okay, thanks, that seem right. so, after I make sure my patch works, I just put it in that subdirectory?
[13:25] <ahasenack> ok, thanks
[13:25] <ahasenack> StevenK: does it work in lucid?
[13:25] <ahasenack> this format
[13:25] <azeem_> aram: depending on the patch system, you might have to register it somewhere
[13:25] <ahasenack> I guess so, because dpkg-source -x worked just fine for me when I gave it that package
[13:25] <mterry> james_w, can you kick deja-dup's DD branch?  it's pretty out of date
[13:26] <aram> this patch also makes a new --with-dtrace compile time option that needs to be on.
[13:26] <aram> I guess I need to specify that somewhere.
[13:26] <jtaylor> aram python2.7 uses quilt to patch
[13:26] <azeem_> aram: in debian/rules usually
[13:27] <cjwatson> ahasenack: it should work back to intrepid (but not hardy)
[13:27] <ahasenack> cjwatson: cool, thanks
[13:27] <jtaylor> quilt import your-patch should be fine if it does not conflict with the rest of the patches
[13:27] <cjwatson> I tend to use quilt new and quilt fold
[13:27] <cjwatson> but ymmv
[13:28] <aram> so what do I start from, the directory that apt-get source generated (this contains the debian subdirectory) or a vanilla unpack of orig.tar.gz? (I guess the directory from apt-get source, but I want to be sure.)
[13:29] <cjwatson> the former
[13:29] <cjwatson> otherwise you have to redo all the packaging work yourself which will be a big pile of no fun with a cherry on top
[13:30] <aram> yeah, that makes sense.
[13:31] <aram> one I'm done with this I'd also have to package dtrace for Linux else this would be useless.
[13:32] <aram> the thing with dtrace for linux is that it needs to be recompiled every time with a kernel update (just like nvidia drivers, I guess).
[13:32] <cjwatson> dkms is probably your friend
[13:35] <aram> aah, one more thing I don't understand. the source directory generated by apt-get source contains the vanilla source or it already has applied the patches in debian subdir?
[13:35] <azeem_> aram: dpkg-source should tell you during unpack
[13:35] <azeem_> for v3 source packages, the default is to apply the patches
[13:37] <aram> ok, it applied the patches.
[13:39] <jtaylor> its a v1 source so they are not applied, also it uses a quite interesting method to generate the quilt series, see line 1011 of debian/rules
[13:41] <cjwatson> line 1011 of debian/rules> bad sign in itself
[13:42] <cjwatson> although python2.7 may have a good excuse :-)
[13:42] <cjwatson> but usually it means "you might have to be pretty familiar with Debian packaging to go anywhere near this"
[13:43] <azeem_> it's better than "see line 1011 of automake.mk in cdbs"
[13:43] <james_w> mterry, it looks like there's a filename in the tree that bzr can't handle. That seems odd as it's hosted in bzr isn't it?
[13:45] <mterry> james_w, upstream is yeah
[13:47] <james_w> mterry, that's odd then. Is there anything in the source package that could cause this? Perhaps a non-ascii filename used in testing that found its way in to the source package at some point?
[13:48] <mterry> james_w, no, I don't think so...  maybe...  I think soyez used to make deja-dup.pot files with accents
[13:48] <mterry> or not soyez, but the build process
[13:48] <james_w> that could be it then
[13:49] <james_w> anyway, this isn't something that I can fix right now I don't think
[13:51] <james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/831189
[14:00] <smoser> @pilot in
[14:04] <kirkland> any idea why firefox is acting up in oneiric (been that way for 4 days now);  goes grey/dark for  60s at a time
[14:05] <davmor2> kirkland: run top normally that means excessive memory / cpu usage
[14:07] <soren> davmor2: By firefox? Impossible! </sarcasm>
[14:07] <Laney> doko: can you please get your ghc changes to Debian? I'm a bit disappointed because we were going to be able to sync it next time (and that patch looks like it will make the merge annoying)
[14:08] <davmor2> soren: :D
[14:09] <doko> Laney, yes, I can do this, but we'll have a delta with --as-needed anyway
[14:10] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that's probably compiz's fault
[14:10] <Laney> indeed, but as long as it's manageable I can live with that
[14:10] <doko> I did want to wait until ld defaults to --no-add-needed
[14:10] <Laney> is that likely to happen soon?
[14:10] <doko> yes
[14:10] <Laney> if before P opens then I can live with waiting, too
[14:11] <doko> hopefully this week
[14:11] <Laney> ok
[14:18] <smoser> stgraber, around ?
[14:19] <stgraber> smoser: yep
[14:19]  * kirkland goes to u2d
[14:19] <smoser> could you please take a quick look at https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/natty/bcmwl/fix-793890/+merge/67294 ?
[14:20] <smoser> it really seems ready to go to me.  you NAK'd it last time but I think its ready.
[14:22] <stgraber> smoser: I guess it'd be fine if you take lp:ubuntu/natty/bcmwl, manually copy the changes from his branch, fix the version number and push that
[14:22] <stgraber> it'll be a mess if you just merge it to -proposed and push it
[14:22] <smoser> stgraber, well you should push to -proposed
[14:22] <smoser> or just upload and let the importer handle it
[14:22] <stgraber> as it'll re-create a tag for a release that as far as Launchpad is aware "never existed"
[14:23] <smoser> stgraber, regarding tag in -proposed, if the importer fails, then it is really a bug in the importer as this is a very real world case.
[14:23] <stgraber> so the importer will either fail or just overwrite anything in the branch. I guess I'll push that on wednesday when I'm piloting
[14:24] <stgraber> smoser: well, IIRC in this specific case, the -proposed branch shouldn't exist, so you shouldn't be able to merge anything
[14:24] <smoser> the -poroposed *should* exist
[14:24] <smoser> as it there *was* such a version.
[14:24] <smoser> and the importer correctly found it, merged it, then it was removed from -proposed.
[14:24] <smoser> and never made it to -updates.
[14:25] <stgraber> yeah, and in such case, I'd expect the branch to be removed by the importer, which apparently isn't the case
[14:25] <smoser> well the only thing bad about it is the tag.
[14:25] <smoser> the rest would be fine.
[14:26] <stgraber> so now if we want the importer to be happy with the branch we should either just push it and let the importer destroy the branch and create it again or drop the old commit and push the new one instead (making sure to update the tag and everything)
[14:26] <stgraber> but yeah, I'm happy to have a look at it on Wednesday
[14:29] <smoser> mdeslaur, https://code.launchpad.net/~psusi/ubuntu/natty/gnome-power-manager/fix-duplicate-battery/+merge/67466 should be marked "merged" ?
[14:31] <mdeslaur> smoser: yes, but I don't have permissions to do so
[14:31] <smoser> hm.. me neither.
[14:31] <smoser> thanks.
[14:32] <mdeslaur> smoser: np
[14:52] <doko> pitti, bryceh: any chance to look at the xvfb issues?
[15:18] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, i moved to unity2d, same problem in firefox
[15:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that's weird then, I used to see that all the time when compiz enabled for some weird effect for ages now
[15:27] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: howdy! I'm wondering if there's an issue with the mini ISO'
[15:28] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: howdy! I'm wondering if there's an issue with the mini ISO's since I'm trying to PXE boot and complains that cannot find kernel modules for kernel 3.0.0-5 in the archive
[15:30] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: what URL are you using?
[15:31] <ahasenack> can I use substvars to set a Build-Depends field in debian/control?
[15:32] <cjwatson> ahasenack: no
[15:32] <ahasenack> just checking before I debug further
[15:32] <OdyX> ahasenack: the Build-Depends field is read before any debian/rules processing, so no.
[15:32] <ahasenack> ah ;(
[15:32] <ahasenack> that would explain it
[15:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i've move to chromium for a bit, seems slightly less crappy
[15:32] <OdyX> (you could do some control{,.in} dance, but it's often not error-prone)
[15:32] <ahasenack> I was trying to get build-depends set correctly depending on the ubuntu release
[15:32] <ahasenack> I guess I will have to play with "|" a bit then, see if it works
[15:33] <cjwatson> there often isn't a particularly good way to do that - sometimes | works but you may just have to have slightly different source packages
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: it is
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: I'm importing a mini ISO into cobbler
[15:40] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: could you get powernap building again in the ppas?
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: but have manually grabbed the initrd.gz and linux from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/
[15:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah I didn't know it was failing and it is due to the change to dh_python2 I believe
[15:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, okay, could you get that fixed up?
[15:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i wanted to try the new powernap on my lucid servers here at home
[15:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: will sure though, I think we'll have to keep a different branch for the packaging for maverick/lucid
[15:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: or, can't you just pocket copy the deps into the archive?
[15:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: or do we have to use dh_python2?
[15:46] <fasta> I get init: udev-fallback-graphics main process (777) terminated with status 1
[15:46] <ahasenack> how can I build-depends for dh_python2, just the python version?
[15:46] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: for oneiric+ dh_python2 is the way to go
[15:47] <fasta> What does that mean exactlly?
[15:47] <fasta> exactly*
[15:47] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: preferably natty as well but dont worry I'll get that fixed ;)
[15:49] <SpamapS> lamont: excellent. :)
[15:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: coolio
[15:51] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: thanks!
[15:52] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: sounds like you've got an obsolete copy
[15:52] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think the easiest would be to get the right python stuff copied to the powernap archive
[15:52] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: the current images there are built against 3.0.0-9
[15:52] <cjwatson> ahasenack: http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2 should help
[15:53] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: yeah that's why I was wondering if the ubuntu mini iso's are being built against an older linux kernel version, as I have downloaded it today, set my PXE server here, and still its complaining about it
[15:55] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: no, they're built against current, maybe you have a "transparent" web proxy in the way
[15:57] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: I do, though I have cleaned the cache and still get the errors. will try without though it and will let you know
[15:57] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: I'm pretty certain this isn't an archive problem
[15:58] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: ok cool, will verify without using the proxy, thanks ;)
[16:35] <cnd> @pilot in
[16:58] <directhex> pitti, for submitting new info to media-player-info, is it better to create a new entry for the hp pre 3, or add its usb id to the existing entry for the original palm pre?
[17:21] <cnd> who do I ask about lp:ubuntu/gvfs not being up to date?
[17:21] <cnd> I know I've asked this before, but I can't remember...
[17:24] <jtaylor> there was an update 6 hours ago
[17:24] <jtaylor> 1.9.3 not new enough?
[17:25] <cnd> jtaylor: hmmm, that's not what I see at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/gvfs/oneiric
[17:25] <cnd> the top revision I see is156. By Sebastien Bacher on 2011-04-15
[17:25] <cnd> releasing version 1.8.0-0ubuntu2
[17:26] <jtaylor> oh the branch, no idea about that
[17:27] <cnd> ok
[17:32] <seb128> could a buildd admin bump the build scores for https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/compiz-testing/+builds?build_state=pending ?
[17:35] <smoser> could someone file bug 831512 against the right package ? I'm not sure what the right package would be.
[17:35] <smoser> seb128, i'm assuming you know, and you just spoke here, so unlucky for you.
[17:35] <slangasek> SpamapS: can you look at the lp:ubuntu/upstart branch which seems to be missing some of your changes?  (cf seb128's comments above)
[17:36] <slangasek> doko: I'm not aware of any reason multiarch-compat needs klibc symlinks?
[17:37] <seb128> smoser, overlay-scrollbar?
[17:37] <smoser> um... maybe ? look at screenshot . i'm not even cluefull enough to know the term "overlay scrollbar"
[17:37] <doko> slangasek, that was for the rootskel build failure in the test rebuild
[17:38] <SpamapS> slangasek: it got all weird because of the missing upstream.. I think we can import-dsc safely now.
[17:39] <slangasek> doko: I thought we had already fixed the code in klibc's compiler wrapper to do the right thing for multiarch, though
[17:41] <seb128> doko, could you bump the builds on https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/compiz-testing/+builds?build_state=pending ?
[17:43] <doko> seb128, done
[17:43] <seb128> doko, thanks
[17:43] <slangasek> SpamapS: please do then :)
[17:46] <stgraber> ScottK: hey! If you have a sec, can you look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/672611/ ? It's the buildlog for iTalc, I'm not too sure what's the problem there :) (as it's qt-related I figured you may know what's going on there)
[17:47] <jelmer> cyphermox: ping
[17:47] <ScottK> stgraber: Not looking in the multiarch paths?
[17:48] <cyphermox> jelmer: pong
[17:48] <ScottK> It found the headers and stuff so it's at least partly working.
[17:49] <stgraber> ScottK: hmm, that could be the problem indeed. I assumed it was having a problem finding the headers but it's indeed more likely it's failing to find the library itself
[17:49] <jelmer> cyphermox: I've updated the evolution-mapi MP. Do you think you'll have time to sponsor an upload, or is it a better idea to subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors?
[17:50] <ScottK> stgraber: The error is "checking Qt4 libraries... configure: error: *** Couldn't find any Qt4 libraries".
[17:50] <cyphermox> I can certainly look at it, just give me a minute to finish up with a patch
[17:51] <SpamapS> slangasek: on it shortly
[17:51] <stgraber> ScottK: indeed, maybe I should consider trusting configure's output a bit more in the future :)
[17:52] <ScottK> Well a certain amount of caution is in order ...
[18:03] <apw> pitti, just pushed up a branch to fix a udev bug, bug #831516 -- would poke the latest uploader but i don't know their nick
[18:03] <cjwatson> cnd: https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd
[18:04] <cjwatson> slangasek: klibc> we do now, I just fixed it
[18:04] <slangasek> oh
[18:04] <slangasek> ok then
[18:04] <slangasek> coulda sworn that was found and fixed last cycle though
[18:04] <cnd> cjwatson: if it's in regard to gvfs not being updated in bzr, I've found the issue and am chatting on #launchpad
[18:05] <cnd> thanks
[18:05] <cjwatson> cnd: ok, but in future that's AFAIK the canonical place to ask
[18:05] <cjwatson> slangasek: it broke mid-oneiric
[18:05] <cnd> cjwatson: ahh, ok
[18:05] <cjwatson> cnd: (I could be wrong, #launchpad may know better than I)
[18:13] <elmo> does anyone know offhand what causes /dev/.static/dev to get mounted?
[18:23] <slangasek> elmo: nothing, in oneiric... and I forget :)
[18:25] <infinity> adconrad@loki:/usr/share/initramfs-tools$ rgrep static *
[18:25] <infinity> scripts/init-bottom/udev:mkdir -m 0700 -p /dev/.static/dev
[18:25] <infinity> scripts/init-bottom/udev:mount -n -o bind ${rootmnt}/dev /dev/.static/dev
[18:25] <infinity> ^-- From a hardy machine.
[18:25] <infinity> elmo: ^
[18:25] <elmo> yeah, i just found that
[18:25] <infinity> Figured you might.
[18:25] <elmo> I'm seeing it get created only on lucid based xen guests and can't figure out why
[18:26] <infinity> One would assume that the final mount -o move is failing for some reason.
[18:26] <infinity> Not that that's helpful.
[18:26] <infinity> But you could stuff strace into the initrd and try to step through it by hand.
[18:26] <infinity> (ick)
[18:29] <infinity> Actually, wait.  /dev/.static/dev is populated on this hardy machine too, it just doesn't show as mounted...
[18:29] <infinity> Maybe it's just cosmetic?
[18:30] <elmo> infinity: oh, yeah, sorry, it is mostly cosmetic, but it's freaking some puppet probe-for-filesystems stuff out we have
[18:30] <elmo> i could just fix the puppet, but I'm curious as to why this is only happening on these particular hosts, as I suspect it has something to do with how they were created
[18:30] <infinity> Potentially, yeah.
[18:39] <siretart> ScottK: sorry, I must have missed your hilight. do you refer to k3b? in any case, feel free to assign the bug to me and I'll have a look
[18:40] <cjwatson> siretart: I already sent ScottK a patch
[18:40] <ScottK> siretart: I do.  cjwatson took a stab at a patch that I'm waiting for someone to test.
[18:40] <siretart> ah, great!
[18:50] <seb128> could some buildds admin score up the builds on https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/compiz-testing/+builds ?
[18:50] <seb128> (those are candidate for landing in oneiric before the beta freeze that need testing)
[18:51] <infinity> seb128: On it.
[18:52] <seb128> infinity, thanks
[19:03] <hallyn> doko: so that FTBFS for qemu is due to undefined NULL.  Can I assume that's a toolchain breakage?
[19:05] <doko> hallyn, no, broken code, most likely missing header
[19:05] <doko> if it's C++
[19:05] <smoser> anyone interested in thinking about bug 829238 ?
[19:06] <smoser> short summary is that it seems we might want a 'udev-settle' in initramfs to fix/avoid some of the udev race conditions that we have seen.
[19:08] <smoser> slangasek, ^ ?
[19:09] <slangasek> smoser: udev-settle is probably the wrong tool for whatever you're doing
[19:09] <slangasek> I say this without having looked at the bug yet :)
[19:10] <smoser> i can accept that, and my initial suspicion was that in this case "sleep 1" == "udev-settle"
[19:11] <smoser> but i held hope that they'd come accross the actual fix for a number of race conditions i'd seen in udev dying or losing events
[19:12] <slangasek> smoser: I think this is a bug in udevd itself; since we kill via 'udevadm control --exit', I expect udevd to finish processing any events it's already seen before shutting down
[19:12] <slangasek> but I don't think I've grokked yet from the bug description what events are lost or why, or what these worker messages are about
[19:17] <slangasek> hallyn: which qemu FTBFS is this?  Bug #829492 is almost certainly a regression due to multiarchification of pulseaudio
[19:18] <hallyn> doko: right you are
[19:18] <hallyn> doko: and I see the upstream commit fixing it
[19:18] <smoser> slangasek, i put more references to other bugs where we've seen these messages.  Its definitely race condition.
[19:19] <hallyn> slangasek: hm, that might have unmasked the problem
[19:19] <hallyn> slangasek: thx, i'll take a look at that too
[19:19] <smoser> and people seem to think that all sorts of things "fix" the issue, but imho they do the same as 'sleep 1'
[19:19] <slangasek> smoser: right, for some hardware-dependent value of '1'
[19:19] <slangasek> which is why it's the wrong fix
[19:19] <smoser> right
[19:19] <smoser> well clearly sleep 1 is
[19:20] <smoser> but i was hoping that udev-settle might not have been so terrible
[19:20] <hallyn> slangasek: but i suspect the commit entitled "qemu-kvm: fix pulseaudio detection in configure" will help :)
[19:20] <smoser> but you seem to think it is.
[19:21] <slangasek> smoser: but even udevadm settle is wrong, because there's still a race condition between 'udevadm settle' returning, and calling 'udevadm control --exit', when a new event could come in from the kernel and get mis-handled
[19:21] <slangasek> hallyn: hmm, where is this commit?  The UDD branch for qemu-kvm seems to be out of date
[19:21] <smoser> thats reasonable, slangasek
[19:21] <smoser> so, yeah, control --exit needs fixing
[19:24] <hallyn> slangasek: that commit is in 0.15.0
[19:24] <slangasek> hallyn: ah, ok
[19:24] <hallyn> and yes, udd is out of date.  i've tried manually pushing an update, but it still didn't stay in sync
[19:24] <hallyn> slangasek: i'm hoping Daviey pushses my 0.15.0 merge tomorrow :)
[19:24] <hallyn> which would auto-fix this
[19:25] <slangasek> right, there's some bug in UDD affecting this branch, so it's not going to stay in sync on its own for the moment... if we mean to be using that branch, it's probably best to get it synced up, then set a Vcs-Bzr: lp:ubuntu/qemu-kvm as a warning to uploaders
[19:28] <hallyn> slangasek: i didn't know that was an option.  Sounds good.  (same is true with libvirt-bin)
[19:29] <slangasek> well, it's still possible some people will ignore the Vcs-* field and upload directly to the archive
[19:29] <slangasek> but the more we use the fields consistently, the less of a problem that is
[19:34] <ScottK> If there's no pending changes in the branch how is uploading the package wrong?
[19:36] <slangasek> well, that assumes people are looking at the branch before uploading, which is less likely to be the case if Vcs-Bzr isn't set
[19:36] <slangasek> if you've already grabbed the branch to see if there are pending changes, why not commit to the branch?
[19:38] <ScottK> Because I virtually never upload using the UDD stuff and I'd have to consult documentation on how to do it.  dput I am reasonably familiar with.
[19:39] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[19:39] <ScottK> Last I checked, doing stuff with the branch doesn't actually accomplish anything uploading doesn't.
[19:40] <slangasek> except provide richer change history, yes
[19:41] <ScottK> In the cases where the upload is complex enough to cover multiple commits.
[19:41] <ScottK> Agreed there.
[19:47] <falktx_> hey there
[19:47] <falktx_> I'm making a lightdm theme, but I just realized I have no idea how to change the default lightdm theme...
[21:06] <lifeless> barry: so is your lock package overlapping bzr's dir based locks ?
[21:06] <barry> lifeless: possibly.  mine probably predates it by a decade though :)
[21:19] <cnd> @pilot out


[09:27] <kraut> moin
[10:10] <verwilst> hi!
[10:10] <verwilst> I seem to be having a problem when starting xend. As soon as the xen-br0 bridge is up, i can only ping to the server. telnetting to port 22 shows it's connected, but the ssh id string never comes through. ssh'ing on the server itself to localhost still works fine.. Anyone has a clue, or had a similar encounter?
[10:10] <verwilst> Could this be a kernel issue?
[10:10] <verwilst> (using 2.6.22-9-xen )
[11:35] <joris> mjg59: are you on?
[11:53] <Riddell> 2.6.22-9 will be the version for tribe 5 I presume?
[11:57] <verwilst> hi Riddell
[12:26] <mjg59> joris: Hi
[12:29] <joris> mjg59: remember my mtrr problem yesterday?
[12:43] <joris> I updated the bios, /proc/mtrr is promising
[12:43] <joris> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/132577
[12:43] <mjg59> joris: Excellent
[12:44] <joris> but my first try by removing the memory limit results in a slow system
[12:44] <joris> I added up the size segments
[12:45] <joris> and it adds up the the total memory
[12:46] <joris> so maybe I was a bit too quick not setting any mem limits at all
[12:52] <mjg59> joris: Hm. Yeah, try setting one a few megabytes off the top
[12:57] <joris> ok
[12:57] <joris> like 8100
[01:42] <joris> works like a charm :)
[01:51] <mjg59> joris: How high can you go until it breaks?
[06:27] <superm1> Hi guys, I was wondering if what the reason was that the rtc.max-user-freq was set low?