[04:38] <SeamusLP> lunitik:  Not exactly.  I have problems with xauth using startx...
[04:40] <cnez0red> moo
[04:40] <lunitik> SeamusLP: $EDITOR /usr/bin/X11/startx  :/
[04:40] <lunitik> (it is a bash script)
[04:40] <SeamusLP> yeah
[04:40] <jazon> queuetue, guess what
[04:41] <Zizzencs> hi! i have some trouble with kdm. all i want to do is to set a plain black background, but i have no success :/ i go administrator, set the wallpaper to one color black and it still uses the picture i do not want
[04:41] <cnez0red> Hey is there an equivelant to glx-gears in ubuntu? I'm not sure my nvidia drivers are configured properly. I keep getting system bottlenecks.
[04:41] <lunitik> Zizzencs: Kubuntu? #kubuntu ... but it is part of the theme, not the actual background
[04:41] <cnez0red> Just opened up my 'putr to make sure the CPU fan hadn't burnt out. That's how serious it's getting.
[04:42] <lunitik> cnez0red: I check such things ~once a month, and clean it etc... if you love your computer, it'll love you back  :P
[04:43] <Zizzencs> lunitik: nah, plain ubuntu with kde apt-get installed. whad do you mean about that background and theme thing?
[04:43] <dcraven> cens0red, glxgears is the Ubuntu equiv to glxgears.
[04:43] <jazon> queuetue, I was able to convert the filesystem using cfdisk then t option then write
[04:43] <zxc_> Can ubuntu install .rpm files?
[04:43] <zxc_> I want to install gimpshop
[04:43] <CB201> zxc_ yes
[04:43] <lunitik> Zizzencs: eh... KDM is now capable of having themes simular to GDM themes (not just a login widget)
[04:43] <CB201> zxc_ use alien
[04:43] <Zizzencs> zxc_: try alien, or you can install rpm
[04:43] <Zizzencs> zxc_: no success guaranteed
[04:44] <dripchip> hi anyone here have vmware installed under ubuntu ?
[04:44] <lunitik> Zizzencs: Kubuntu takes advantage of that by default... has a 'Kubuntu' theme
[04:44] <cnez0red> 4714 frames in 5.0 seconds = 942.800 FPS
[04:44] <cnez0red> is that ok?
[04:44] <Zizzencs> lunitik: then i think i have to find or create a plain black theme :-p
[04:45] <lunitik> Zizzencs: rpm is installed by defualt due to lsb packages
[04:45] <cnez0red> dcraven thanks btw.
[04:45] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i see. never used that feature though :-p
[04:45] <dripchip> cnez0red -> i get 2900 fps with amd64 3500+ and gf 5700
[04:45] <Xappe> cnez0red: 8767 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1753.400 FPS
[04:45] <Xappe>  with my ATI radeon 9600 pro
[04:45] <dcraven> cnez0red, np.
[04:45] <lunitik> Zizzencs: apt-cache show alien ... rpm is a dep  ;)
[04:46] <lunitik> (lsb-core depends alien)
[04:46] <cnez0red> dripchip and Xappe ok. Is that poor enough that I should be getting system bottlenecks?
[04:46] <Zizzencs> lunitik: only lsb-release and lsb-base are a must. lsb and lsb-rpm is not installed by default on my system
[04:46] <elcu> Xappe: weird, i get 5440 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1088.000 FPS on my 9600pro
[04:47] <elcu> i do have a ****load of apps open though.
[04:47] <jazon> thanks to everyone for their help :)
[04:47] <lunitik> Zizzencs: fresh Ubuntu here, lsb-core is installed
[04:48] <lunitik> Zizzencs: dpkg -l lsb-core
[04:48] <Xappe> elcu: maybe number of proc:s and the cpu matters?
[04:48] <Zizzencs> lunitik: it is not installed on my system.
[04:48] <lunitik> Zizzencs: strange
[04:48] <elcu> P4 2.4ghz.  I am using an old mb though, so only get agp4x.
[04:49] <Zizzencs> lunitik: more interesting: E: Package lsb-core has no installation candidate
[04:49] <Zizzencs> lunitik: Package lsb-core is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:49] <spiral> hi
[04:49] <lunitik> Zizzencs: heh... I'm running breezy...
[04:50] <lunitik> Zizzencs: ubuntu-desktop depends lsb which depends lsb-core, lsb-graphics, lsb-cxx
[04:50] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i have this line on sources.list: deb http://hu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[04:50] <Zizzencs> lunitik: that seems ok to me.
[04:50] <Xappe> elcu: athlonXP 2500+ barton, agp 8x :)
[04:50] <lunitik> Zizzencs: that is the current stable... I'm running the current devel branch
[04:51] <Zizzencs> lunitik: ahh, i see
[04:51] <darkaudit> hmm... shut down powernowd, but clock is still gaining time...
[04:51] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i wanted to look for instructions on how to upgrade to devel but was too lasy :-p
[04:51] <lunitik> Zizzencs: in hoary, iir, ubuntu-desktop depended rpm directly though
[04:52] <vanQ> Anyone here have the Live CD for Ubuntu Linux?
[04:52] <lunitik> Zizzencs: just change hoary to breezy ... but I wouldn't recommend you do it for at least 4 months
[04:52] <elcu> Xappe: still, it shouldn't be that much lower.  does your CPU go to 100%
[04:52] <Resonant> I've already switched to breezy.
[04:52] <Resonant> I'm <3'ing it.
[04:52] <Resonant> Then again USB-Storage is broken.
[04:52] <lunitik> Resonant: same here... but most would freak about any of the small issues...
[04:52] <Resonant> Yea.
[04:52] <vanQ> I found out that the keyboard language setup is this in Knoppix, when you boot from CD :   knoppix lang=fi    what is the start in ubuntu ?   Is it    "ubuntu lang=fi"  without the quote-marks
[04:52] <vanQ> ?
[04:52] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i'm not afraid of developement software :-p is there a homepage wit ha comprihensive changelog?
[04:53] <Resonant> "zomg aol doesn't wurk? OLOLZ"
[04:53] <SeamusLP> Hey has anyone noticed that gnome is a little crashy?  gnome-panel and nautilus to be specific
[04:53] <Resonant> I haven't.
[04:53] <Amaranth> Zizzencs: The breezy-changes mailing list is probably what you're looking for.
[04:53] <Zizzencs> Amaranth: tnx
[04:53] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: nautilus is 400k lines of undebuggable crap.  I'm scared to look.
[04:54] <hua> SeamusLP: I see.
[04:54] <promethe> How I can manualy edit GNOME menu?
[04:54] <promethe> Without using menueditr
[04:54] <lunitik> Zizzencs: it only opened like 2-3 days ago... so thats all so far
[04:54] <Amaranth> promethe: What's wrong with my menu editor? :)
[04:54] <zxc_> how do I change the gdm and splash?
[04:55] <promethe> Amaranth it doesn't support another languages than english
[04:55] <Amaranth> promethe: It should....
[04:55] <promethe> Amaranth good piece of software, but it doesn't support polish
[04:55] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  It's a good file manager, they just need to stop tacking on crap to it and fix the damn bugs
[04:55] <lunitik> Amaranth: still don't get why you did it with gnome-menu-editor being around... but I guess that is your parogative  ;)
[04:55] <Amaranth> Well, it has issues with adding new things to non-english menus.
[04:55] <Zizzencs> lunitik: yep i found that one. too verbose for me though. i will only upgrade when there is something i want to try out i think
[04:55] <Amaranth> lunitik: gnome-menu-editor was pre-0.1 and buggy as hell when I started.
[04:55] <lupusBE> anyone here using anjuta 2 ?
[04:55] <Amaranth> lunitik: The only thing they have over me now is drag-and-drop support, otherwise I think I have more features.
[04:56] <lunitik> Amaranth: you should have gotten involved with that...
[04:56] <promethe> When i'm trying to add something to e.g. cattegory "Dwik i obraz" (sound and Video) it creates independent category in menu
[04:56] <promethe> It's very iritating
[04:56] <promethe> And menueditor don't show anything
[04:56] <promethe> wrong
[04:56] <Amaranth> lunitik: I'm not very good with C and they're trying to get libmenu patched to support editting, which seems to be an uphill battle.
[04:56] <lunitik> Zizzencs: for me, OpenOffice.org2 and Evince being around by default (thus keeping my system clean) is reason enough
[04:57] <promethe> so, any way to do this mannualy?
[04:57] <Amaranth> promethe: Yeah, I actually think that's a gnome-menus bug.
[04:57] <Amaranth> promethe: Sure, the easiest way would probably be to look at another .desktop file and modify a copy of it to be what you want.
[04:58] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i have no need on either one. and though that ooo2 is in stable, too.
[04:58] <elcu> is anyone else not able to play certain DVDs?  i can't get totem to play boogie nights.
[04:58] <Amaranth> You can find .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ and you want to save yours in ~/.local/share/applications/
[04:58] <lunitik> Zizzencs: ubuntu-desktop in hoary still depends openoffice.org though... so that would be a pita
[04:58] <SeamusLP> elcu:  You have libdvdcss?
[04:58] <lunitik> Irritates the heck out of me to have 2 versions of the same thing installed... and OpenOffice is HUGE!!
[04:58] <Amaranth> lunitik: You can remove ubuntu-desktop.
[04:59] <Amaranth> lunitik: It's just a meta-package, it doesn't actually provide anything of it's own.
[04:59] <elcu> SeamusLP: yep, i can play other ones fine.  just not boogie nights.  the video also has these weird lines whenever there is rapid movement.
[04:59] <lunitik> Amaranth: running an Ubuntu devel branch, you'd have to be a moron to do so  ;)
[04:59] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i see. the good thing is i don't use ubuntu-desktop :-) i usually buid my systems on my own. choose a proper font, etc.
[04:59] <Amaranth> lunitik: Why?
[05:00] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Perhaps you should try a different player?
[05:00] <lunitik> Amaranth: keeps things cleaner...
[05:00] <Amaranth> lunitik: Only if they add new things to ubuntu-desktop...
[05:00] <elcu> SeamusLP: i'll try that.  any recommendation?
[05:00] <SeamusLP> elcu:  It probably won't do the same thing in ogle
[05:00] <Amaranth> lunitik: New as in actually not there before, not upgrades.
[05:00] <lunitik> Amaranth: things change a lot in devel branches... ubuntu-desktop makes it easier to track such things
[05:01] <Amaranth> lunitik: Packages still upgrade just fine without it installed.
[05:01] <shawnh> HI
[05:01] <elcu> SeamusLP: thanks, i'll check that out
[05:01] <promethe> What the helll...
[05:01] <shawnh>  HOW IS EVERYTHIBNG OGING IN HERE
[05:01] <flying> :)
[05:01] <promethe> Deleted, added, it still creating new category
[05:01] <shawnh> what in the hel bobby
[05:01] <Amaranth> lunitik: run apt-get ubuntu-desktop once a week to see if they made it depend on anything new, cancel the install, and get it
[05:01] <elcu> meh, i should know this, but do p4s have mmx support?
[05:01] <promethe> Amaranth is there any file with gnome menu config?
[05:01] <Amaranth> promethe: You need to delete ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[05:02] <flodine> whats the name of the firewall ubuntu uses
[05:02] <lunitik> Amaranth: bah... if that works for you, go ahead... I use debfoster... and tracking 200 things in there is a pita
[05:02] <Amaranth> lunitik: Hehe, I don't worry about orphaned packages. I've got more HD space then I know what to do with.
[05:02] <lunitik> Amaranth: without debfoster... I got hit hard by the python transition... debfoster made it easier  :/
[05:03] <shawnh> how old are youpeople
[05:03] <Amaranth> shawnh: 18
[05:03] <Zizzencs> shawnh: 23
[05:03] <Amaranth> lunitik: Really? I'm a Python programmer and I still didn't have any problems.
[05:03] <jordanau> shawnh, 20
[05:03] <lunitik> Amaranth: as do I... but still... I'm peticular about such things
[05:03] <shawnh> I turn 30 next friday
[05:03] <jordanau> shawnh, the big 3-0
[05:03] <Zizzencs> why is this debfoster thing useful?
[05:03] <lunitik> Amaranth: transition from 2.3 -> 2.4 was annoying
[05:03] <Zizzencs> never used before
[05:03] <shawnh> any females
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:03] <Bloody|RLC> ACTION is away:
[05:03] <shawnh> foster eh
[05:03] <Amaranth> lunitik: I hardly noticed.
[05:03] <lunitik> shawnh: 21
[05:03] <Amaranth> Bloody|RLC: Turn that off.
[05:04] <^thehatsrule^> rofl
[05:04] <Ntr_> hello ppl, is here anobody who can tell what's the problem with /etc/enviroment & finnish-keymap & irc ?
[05:04] <Zizzencs> shawnh: look at channel #sex for pretty girls :-p
[05:04] <shawnh> hehhe
[05:04] <lunitik> Amaranth: you were running the devel branch when 2.4 came in?
[05:04] <shawnh> hehhe
[05:04] <Amaranth> lunitik: Yep.
[05:04] <flodine> whats the name of the firewall ubuntu uses help
[05:04] <jordanau> \join #sex
[05:04] <jordanau> kj
[05:04] <shawnh>  trying to stay away from that dirty cyber sex
[05:04] <jordanau> jk
[05:04] <shawnh> lol
[05:04] <shawnh>  don;t  know what it is
[05:04] <shawnh>  growin more
[05:04] <Amaranth> lunitik: I had exactly one app (bittorent) stop working for 3 days because of it, otherwise it was smooth.
[05:04] <shawnh>  like the real thing
[05:05] <Amaranth> Bloody|RLC: Turn off your away script.
[05:05] <lunitik> Amaranth: ahh... I got a lot of dependency issues... amoungst other things
[05:05] <Amaranth> lunitik: I blame ubuntu-desktop. ;)
[05:05] <dantheman> i just plugged in my ipod and it didn't mount
[05:05] <dantheman> can someone tell me how to do it?
[05:05] <lunitik> Amaranth: ubuntu-desktop didn't depend 2.3 packages
[05:05] <lunitik> they were just still around
[05:06] <lunitik> Amaranth: hence, debfoster clearing them out
[05:06] <Amaranth> lunitik: You cleared them out and that broke things?
[05:06] <Amaranth> lunitik: If so, PEBKAC.
[05:06] <lunitik> Amaranth: no... clearing them out got rid of dependency issues
[05:06] <Amaranth> Oh.
[05:06] <Amaranth> I actually still have all those python 2.3 things installed.
[05:07] <elcu> flodine: don't think there is one installed by default.  but firestarter is recommended in the ubuntu giude.
[05:07] <robl^> does anyone know wher eI can get current ubuntu-friendly mono1.1.6 pkgs?
[05:07] <lunitik> robl^: it is in Universe
[05:07] <Amaranth> I keep telling myself I'm going to make PyMusique work on 2.3 (I think it might already) but I never do it.
[05:07] <Amaranth> robl^: You can't.
[05:07] <jazon> l8r peeps - thanks!
[05:07] <robl^> lunitik, universe has an old version.
[05:07] <lunitik> Amaranth: why would you bother? 2.3 is old now  :/
[05:07] <Amaranth> lunitik: Because people email me and bitch.
[05:08] <Levander> What's the name of the X-Windows application used to adjust the position of my screen on my monitor?  Adjust it left and right, up and down.  I don't want to use the monitor controls, because I share this monitor via KVM switch with an XP box.
[05:08] <lunitik> Amaranth: everyone that bitches at me via e-mail gets added to various spam lists
[05:08] <Amaranth> Ubuntu has Mono 1.0.5 in breezy, I think hoary had 1.0.4. Debian experimental has 1.1.6 iirc so expect Ubuntu to get them.
[05:08] <dantheman> can anyone tell me why gtkpod might not detect my ipod?
[05:08] <yahalom> can someone tell me why my ubuntu doesnt have an /etc/X11/Sessions file???
[05:08] <dantheman> i plugged it in, and it gets mounted
[05:09] <dantheman> but when i hit sync in gtkpod, it says it needs the ipod directory structure
[05:09] <Amaranth> yahalom: You mean /etc/X11/Xsession?
[05:10] <yahalom> Amaranth, is that it? is that where i can see my gnone and xfce?
[05:11] <lunitik> dantheman: try using Rhythmbox.. it apparently can access ipod's ... never used it though
[05:11] <Amaranth> yahalom: What do you want to do with them? gdm will let you choose which one to load.
[05:11] <elcu> SeamusLP: sweet! ogle can play it.
[05:12] <elcu> SeamusLP: what an ugly interface though.
[05:12] <yahalom> Amaranth, i have xfce twice in my gdm and i want to see that enlightenment is in my sessions
[05:12] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Yeah tha'ts the downside
[05:12] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Totem works for most DVDs but sometimes you just need an app that was designed to play dvds
[05:13] <elcu> SeamusLP: got ya.  what about xine and mplayer?
[05:13] <CheeseBall> does anyone know where the ubuntu kernel is located
[05:13] <SeamusLP> elcu:  I'm using Totem with a xine backend, never mess with mplayer.
[05:13] <lunitik> elcu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats tells you how to add DVD support to totem I believe
[05:14] <lunitik> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:14] <SeamusLP> lunitik:  He was having trouble with one DVD, not support in general
[05:14] <elcu> lunitik: i already have got that sorted.  totem jsut doesn't seem to play this certain DVD.
[05:14] <elcu> SeamusLP: hmmm, how can i make the picture fill the whole screen in full screen mode?
[05:15] <lunitik> elcu: ahhh... heh
[05:15] <lunitik> SeamusLP: I should follow along once in a while  :P
[05:15] <SeamusLP> elcu:  It's in full screen mode but it's not using the full screen?
[05:15] <elcu> SeamusLP: exactly
[05:16] <elcu> lunitik: i love playind DVDs in linux though.  no region restrictions with my supposed region-enforced drive. =)
[05:16] <Amaranth> xine, gstreamer, vlc, and mplayer all use the same libs for playing DVDs
[05:16] <Amaranth> elcu: Yeah, the software controls region lockout, not the drive.
[05:17] <elcu> SeamusLP: it's like i'm looking through a window in the middle of the screen.
[05:17] <Levander> Nobody remembers the name of the X-Windows application to move the screen's position left or right or up and down on the monitory?
[05:17] <eazel7> hi ppl
[05:17] <eazel7> I've just installed hoary, but the gnome app bar and lots of other things doesn't appear translated
[05:17] <Amaranth> Levander: We call those monitor controls. :) Should have buttons or a little wheel on the front of your monitor.
[05:17] <CheeseBall> does anyone know where the ubuntu kernel is located
[05:17] <elcu> Amaranth: i always thought there was two ways, h/ware *and* s/ware.
[05:17] <eazel7> why?
[05:18] <eazel7> CheeseBall, in /boot
[05:18] <CheeseBall> thanks
[05:18] <Amaranth> CheeseBall: If you don't know where it is you probably shouldn't be messing with it.
[05:18] <SeamusLP> elcu:  It seems like I have that problem when i try to play widescreen dvds
[05:18] <Obsidians> When I try to burn a cd, it says "system too slow" or something. What's wrong?
[05:18] <elcu> SeamusLP: you haven't sorted it out?
[05:18] <Levander> Amaranth: don't want to use monitor controls, I share this monitor with XP via a KVM switch, using the monitor controls will mess up where XP displays its screen
[05:18] <Levander> There's an X-Windows program to do it, I just can't remember the name.
[05:18] <csturm> xvidtune
[05:19] <zenrox> yep xvidtune
[05:19] <Amaranth> Levander: Then set the resolution and refresh rate to be the same on both. If that doesn't make them the same your driver sucks on one platform or the other.
[05:19] <Levander> csturm: that's it!  will xvidtune modify my X windows configuration for me?  After I've decided on a position?
[05:19] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Well I have a widescreen monitor, it doesn't like to use the entire screen on that one.  It does a lot better on my fullscreen monitor.
[05:19] <csturm> levander: i dont think so, i think you need to edit the modelines in xorg.conf
[05:20] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Only happens with widescreen dvds.  I think I can rip it to xvid format and view it perfectly, though.
[05:20] <Amaranth> "THE INCORRECT USE OF THIS PROGRAM CAN DO PERMANENT DAMAGE TO YOUR MONITOR AND/OR VIDEO CARD" <--xvidtune seems real nice....
[05:20] <Levander> csturm: I'm still running Warty and XFree, I suppose the configuration is the same?
[05:20] <csturm> yeah, just different filename
[05:20] <Levander> Okay, gonna try it! Thanks csturm!
[05:20] <Amaranth> I'm guessing xvidtune tweaks refresh rates like the ati tool did for windows. Could be dangerous.
[05:21] <Levander> gotta log off to test something with my IRC client GAIM they told me about in #gaim, but thanks a lot guys!
[05:21] <csturm> cu
[05:21] <elcu> SeamusLP: seems it's supposed to be that way: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/faq.shtml (see no. 35)
[05:21] <Levander> Amaranth: so is configuring X-Windows in general....
[05:22] <CheeseBall> hahaha Amaranth
[05:22] <Amaranth> Yeah, it's just tweaking hsync and vsync.
[05:22] <CheeseBall> im just trying to make a restore cd
[05:22] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Well I have the issue with totem-xine as well
[05:22] <CheeseBall> and it asks for the location
[05:23] <CheeseBall> im using mkcd for a restore cd, any other easy one reccommended?
[05:24] <tiggggr> anyone else using rhythmbox as their music player?
[05:25] <credmp> tiggggr, sure
[05:25] <tiggggr> credmp, do you have smooth transitions between tracks?
[05:26] <credmp> tiggggr, define smooth :)
[05:26] <credmp> like cross fading?
[05:26] <MangoFusion> anyone here have an experience with midi setup in ubuntu?
[05:27] <tiggggr> credmp, yeah well not necessarily smooth as in faded, but do you get this "silent -> 0.5s bit of strange noise -> new track starts" sort of thingie? :P
[05:27] <credmp> I have no strange noise
[05:28] <credmp> just track end -> silence switching to new song -> new song
[05:28] <tiggggr> it goes to silent first, and then it plays just a bit from the end of last track, as it would flush buffer or something
[05:28] <tiggggr> could be my ancient cpu tho :P
[05:28] <credmp> tiggggr, which rhythmbox do y ou use... the standard one?
[05:29] <credmp> rhythmbox-gstreamer
[05:29] <credmp> ?
[05:29] <tiggggr> credmp, 0.8.8 that came with ubuntu hoary..so i suppose its standard
[05:29] <credmp> strange... probably something to do with the buffering indeed
[05:29] <credmp> have it with other players as well?
[05:30] <tiggggr> nope, xmms works fine
[05:30] <markuman> some gamers here? ubuntu-gamers meeting - #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[05:30] <credmp> and if you queue 2 files in totem?
[05:30] <tiggggr> credmp, hmm, i'll try that totem, sec
[05:32] <tiggggr> credmp, works fine with totem
[05:32] <credmp> thats also gstreamer
[05:32] <credmp> so likely just an issue w/rhythmbox
[05:32] <tiggggr> i tried to look for buffer settings in rhythmbox but either they are hidden evry well or i'm blind
[05:32] <promethe_> What i should install to make my ubuntu support iPAQ
[05:32] <tiggggr> credmp, yep, guess so..too bad, i like the itunes media library ripoff ;)
[05:33] <credmp> tiggggr, hehe... yea.... though amarok (KDE based) is also quite nice
[05:33] <credmp> promethe_, did you look on the ubuntu wiki? probably has some info about it
[05:34] <lupusBE> is there someone using breezy?
[05:34] <tiggggr> credmp, cool, i'll check it out
[05:35] <nicole> hallo..ich bin neu hier (und bei ubuntu) ich hab da mal ne frage
[05:35] <nicole> bei mir funktioniert das "at" zeichen nicht auf der tastatur..was kann ich da tun?
[05:35] <credmp> nicole, in english please?
[05:36] <nicole> sry..kann kein english:(
[05:36] <nicole> mom i'll try.
[05:36] <^thehatsrule^> nicole: babelfish.altavista.com
[05:36] <smouche> nicole, try your best
[05:36] <nicole> i have no "at" on my keyboar under ubuntu
[05:36] <busfahrer> nicole, have you tried pressing SHIFT+2?
[05:37] <dcahrakos> ok, I got passed booting the cd using acpi=off, and it does its thing, then it ejects the cd at the end, and reboots, then when it starts up, it does somethings, and when it gets to Starting Hotplug Subsystem it seems to hang.....and doesnt do anything at all..why?
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> oh, keyboard layout is not US
[05:37] <nicole> ^^
[05:37] <nicole> shift 2 -> "
[05:37] <Alfred1881> is anyone having problems with (k)ubuntu, does it run slow or are there crashes ???
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> nicole: what keybaord layout do you have?
[05:37] <credmp> nicole: press System -> Preferences -> Keyboard
[05:38] <credmp> and change the setting
[05:38] <promethe_> Mowi to ktos po polsku? (sorry :))
[05:38] <Alfred1881> is anyone having problems with (k)ubuntu, does it run slow or are there crashes ???
[05:38] <unperson> I just upgraded from Warty to Hoardy using synaptic.  I have a few questions:  a) How do I know if my system is now using X.org at boot up?  b) Will there be some old X11 packages I can now remove?  c) Can I remove x-window-system-base?
[05:38] <nicole> Generic 105-key (Intl) PC vGerman
[05:38] <credmp> Alfred1881, asking the same question over and over will not help :)
[05:38] <smouche> Alfred1881, for me, it runs fast, and there are sometimes crashes with the file browser.
[05:38] <Alfred1881> ok :)
[05:39] <jaco^> for me mplayer don't work
[05:39] <nickrud> nicole, could you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-common for us, and tell us the output
[05:39] <^thehatsrule^> unperson, you can either see the logs, also youre using Xorg if you see options for transparency
[05:39] <jaco^> and i love ubuntu with gnome
[05:39] <jaco^> kde is unstable for me
[05:39] <credmp> nicole, you can change it to a bunch of different layouts.... give em a try
[05:39] <nicole> of course..one moment
[05:40] <nicole> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-common
[05:40] <nicole> null symbol found
[05:40] <unperson> ^thehatsrule^:  You mean like look in /var/log/syslog?
[05:41] <csturm> whoa. luminocity roks :)
[05:41] <unperson> ^thehatsrule^:  Any idea what sort of string to look for?
[05:41] <nickrud> nicole: that's all it said??
[05:41] <^thehatsrule^> unperson: i know its in /var/log somewhere
[05:41] <nicole> Looking for keymap to install:
[05:41] <nicole> NONE
[05:41] <nicole> and than what i said
[05:41] <^thehatsrule^> unperson, im not sure bout Xorg, but i guess... xorg.log ? hehe
[05:41] <nicole> nothing more
[05:42] <nickrud> ok, I need to look something up
[05:42] <^thehatsrule^> nicole: maybe download some off the net?
[05:42] <nickrud> while I
[05:42] <nicole> how can i do that?
[05:42] <Superfrog> hi ! is this  a channel where i can ask for ubuntu help ?
[05:42] <nicole> oh mom..i'll try logitech internet keyboard
[05:43] <nicole> must i restart than?
[05:43] <nickrud> 'm doing that that you can try credmp's advice, if you haven't
[05:43] <dcahrakos> anyone know why after initial install, it hangs at starting hotplug subsystem?
[05:43] <jordanau> unperson, your xorg logs are /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:43] <unperson> ^thehatsrule^:  Ah, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:43] <unperson> heh
[05:43] <unperson> Yup, it appears X.org is running.
[05:44] <jordanau> unperson, i am pretty sure all hoary is on xorg
[05:44] <nicole> ahhh now..thx all...ALT+GR +Q works with logitech internet keyboard...TYA!
[05:44] <unperson> jordanau:  Yeah, but I upgraded from Warty.  I was trying to figure out if it had made the switch.
[05:45] <Superfrog> my problem is to initialise the ati  9500 pro  in my horay 5.4(?)  i did the wiki with the universe driver , module is runinning,but it always tells me this mesa dirt
[05:47] <jordanau> unperson, i see
[05:47] <jordanau> how do you make mounted devices show up on the desktop?
[05:48] <dantheman> for some reason, my ipod doesn't want to umount...did anyone else have the same problem, or know of a solution?
[05:50] <nickrud> dantheman, does it say the device is busy?
[05:51] <dantheman> nickrud: yes
[05:51] <dantheman> and even when i can unmount it, the ipod still has the "Do not disconnect" on it
[05:52] <nickrud> What that means is some file on the device is still open.
[05:52] <unperson> dantheman:  You're not still using anything (like a nautilus window) that's still reading it are you?
[05:52] <dantheman> nope, and i closed gtkpod
[05:53] <SysFail> if anybody is using kcheckgmail please let me know if you would... It wont keep my password in the config and thus wont log in...anybody had this problem???
[05:53] <unperson> dantheman:  I've had a similar program.  That's some portion of gnome that keeps track of changes to directory contents.  Usually that's the trouble maker.
[05:53] <nickrud> you can try killall nautilus: )
[05:53] <dantheman> unperson: did you manage to fix it?
[05:54] <unperson> dantheman:  There are two commands that can help:  fuser and lsio.  Check out the man pages.
[05:54] <dantheman> alright, thanks
[05:54] <dcahrakos> what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[05:54] <unperson> dantheman:  Those will at least tell you what is accessing the device.
[05:54] <nickrud> Probably 90% of the busy problems are as unperson said.
[05:54] <Tirno> hello all. I've just installed hoary. All is fine (although wifi gives me trouble on occasion). Just one thing: after I boot the computer and login, half the time it freezes. I'm not sure what's happening (although I suspect it may have something to do with wifi)
[05:55] <unperson> dantheman:  Sometimes I had to kill whatever that program was (I don't recall the name).
[05:55] <dantheman> when you unmounted it, did it still show the "Do not disconnect"?
[05:55] <unperson> dantheman:  Sometimes it seemed to take care of itself when I closed the nautilus window.
[05:56] <unperson> dantheman:  Sorry, I wasn't using an iPod.  Just a flash card.
[05:56] <dantheman> oh, alright
[05:56] <unperson> dantheman:  So there was no such warning.
[05:56] <DocUb> Does some have a few mins to help me with the Mozilla FireFox 1.0.3 error on installing
[05:56] <nickrud> unperson: it used to be fam; now it's gamin.
[05:56] <DocUb> someone*
[05:57] <DocUb> gives a Fatal error on opening the xpistub
[05:57] <unperson> dantheman:  Yeah, the thing is that a program may start the monitor (yeah, what nickrud said).  The program is SUPPOSED to kill it when no longer necessary, but apparently some don't.
[05:58] <dantheman> alright...i managed to unmount it, and it seems to work fine
[05:58] <nickrud> gamin seems to do this a lot less often, though
[05:58] <dantheman> now i'll just see if i can mount it again and copy more music to it
[05:59] <Tirno> anyone? why does my ubuntu freeze just after login?
[05:59] <AceMan> Tirno: mine does that after the screensaver comes off
[06:00] <nickrud> Tirno: when it freezes, does control alt backspace do anything?
[06:00] <unperson> Is there any (relatively easy) way to see what packages I have installed from a particular repository?
[06:00] <dcahrakos> does anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[06:00] <n3> hello
[06:00] <n3> ?
[06:00] <nickrud> unperson: grep-dctrl does that, I think.
[06:01] <n3> Question:
[06:01] <n3> I recently downloaded a movie called THE CODE: Linux
[06:01] <Alfred1881> hey , i want to install Opera in kubuntu , but do i need the Ubuntu-package or the Debian-package or source
[06:01] <n3> It appears to have copyright on it at the end of the film and it seems to be recorded from TV
[06:01] <Choubaka> Alfred1881: ?
[06:01] <Tirno> nickrud: I don't think so. I tried a number of ctrl-alt combinations. I'm on a laptop so the powerdown button works in an almost safe way
[06:02] <Choubaka> just download the .deb file from Opera's site.
[06:02] <n3> I cant seem to find the movie on amazon or anywhere for sale on DVD, is it illegal to use this video for educational purposes?
[06:02] <Alfred1881> but you can choose native
[06:02] <Choubaka> the one which says "Other/debian" or something.
[06:02] <nickrud> Tirno: what kind of laptop?
[06:02] <Choubaka> other (deb) rather.
[06:03] <promethe_> can somebody help me with setting multisync and synce
[06:03] <Tirno> nickrud: acer travelmate 5000, intel centrino
[06:03] <Alfred1881> what is dynamic and static version ?
[06:03] <n3> Hello
[06:03] <n3> GTG
[06:03] <n3> can anyone help with this qustion?
[06:03] <Choubaka> dynamic saves space (and ram in some cases)
[06:03] <Choubaka> but a static deb will work and not depend on anything.
[06:04] <LinuxJones> n3,  Search for the company that it is the copyright holder and check their website
[06:04] <n3> I Did
[06:04] <n3> Its in some other language
[06:04] <n3> Finnish or something
[06:04] <Choubaka> hmm
[06:04] <n3> FINLAND
[06:04] <Choubaka> show me the site?
[06:04] <LinuxJones> n3,  what's the website ?
[06:04] <Choubaka> I'm finnish. :)
[06:04] <n3> Ok
[06:04] <n3> http://svt.se/
[06:04] <n3> cool!
[06:05] <n3> I really hope i can keep the download
[06:05] <tiggggr> svt is swedish
[06:05] <Choubaka> ahh, that's swedish.
[06:05] <Choubaka> I know swedish a bit too
[06:05] <Choubaka> let's see.
[06:05] <n3> I also downloaded REVOLUTION OS but i guess this is illegal?
[06:05] <nickrud> tirno: to avoid some blind alleys, it boots up, gets to the ubuntu login screen, you log in, and it goes black?
[06:05] <n3> I dont want piracy cops shooting me with machine guns
[06:06] <n3> But you cant even buy these dvds in shops where i live
[06:06] <n3> (AFRICA)
[06:06] <Tirno> nickrud:  yes, exactly. The cute "yay isn't ubuntu cool-look how cute it is when gnome loads up"-rectangle doesn't show
[06:06] <promethe_> Huh, can somebody help me with setting multisync
[06:07] <unperson> n3:  Well, the bottom line is that it's illegal unless you have a valid license.  So like LinuxJones said, if it doesn't sa explictly that the rights are granted for reproduction, then you'd best check with the company's literature to see if it's legit.
[06:07] <n3> hmm
[06:07] <n3> Their english section is down!
[06:07] <n3> otherwise i need to destroy some cds
[06:07] <n3> Copy Right SUCKS
[06:08] <Tirno> nickrud: I've been trying a variety of things to get it to login properly. What may have done it this time is that I have a manual button which switches wireless on and off. I switched it off. Not sure whether that's the reason it started working though
[06:08] <n3> why couldnt people just CREATIVE COMMONS everything in lower quality versions then if someone really liked it, when they had the money they could just buy it on dvd then
[06:09] <LinuxJones> n3,  if it's for schooll or a Linux LUG meeting I don't think they would be upset with you using it. Most TV networks don't really care about older programming unless your selling/broadcasting it.
[06:09] <nickrud> Tirno: If you have the time, try with it on/off a couple of times.
[06:09] <EvilIdler> In my country, it seems most educational programming on telly has a default license for school use
[06:10] <Amaranth> n3: If you're somewhere in Africa your laws probably aren't the same as laws in the US.
[06:10] <nickrud> If it's reproduceable, you should ask about this on ubunter-user mailling list.
[06:10] <GhostNr1> How do I point python to point to python 2.3.5 instead of 2.4.1. The force menu in sunaptic package manager is disabled
[06:10] <n3> Is downloading REVOLUTION OS legal?
[06:11] <nickrud> They *like* hard problems :)
[06:11] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: 2.4 is required for hoary, what is breaking with 2.3?
[06:11] <n3> Yes its for school!
[06:11] <tck_> having changed sources to hoary to update&upgrade im still running warty
[06:11] <n3> Im trying to teach computers at a local school
[06:11] <tck_> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:11] <tck_>  etc.. and lists LOTS
[06:11] <Tirno> ok nickrud, I'll do that later. At the moment I'm getting some work done - so I'm rather pleased with it actually running
[06:11] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > I need to install freevo and they only use 2.3
[06:11] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: freevo?
[06:11] <nickrud>  :)
[06:12] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > freevo.sourceforge.net
[06:12] <Amaranth> wow, cool
[06:12] <dantheman> does anyone know what packages i need in order to play music in gtkpod?
[06:12] <JCIE> Hi, how do i configure VNC from the desktop?
[06:12] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > maby I can get it to work via a source install. But it's depends on so many other programs so I whant it to work via the package manager
[06:13] <promethe_> Huh, can somebody help me with setting multisync
[06:13] <LinuxJones> JCIE, vino-preferences
[06:14] <nickrud> promethe_, I like those problems.
[06:14] <Kishu> Hi I am looking for the command to change owner of a directory/file?
[06:14] <nickrud> Kishu: chmod
[06:14] <tck_> has anyone successfully upgraded from warty to hoary ?
[06:15] <jordanau> Kishu, do you need further instructions?
[06:15] <jordanau> tck_, yeah its easy
[06:15] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: hoary has python2.3, their installer sucks
[06:15] <tck_> jordanau, will i changed the sources and update&&upgrade etc..
[06:15] <JCIE> LinuxJones, thanks!
[06:15] <LinuxJones> Kishu, chown user:user /path/to/file you can use the -R to option to do full directories
[06:15] <tck_> it dl over 200mb and then i rebooted, still running warty - its held back LOTS of packages
[06:16] <jordanau> tck_, yeah change sources from warty to hoary, update, dist-upgrade
[06:16] <tck_> ah dist-upgrade
[06:16] <Kishu> Thanks that was the command I was looking for I forgot it
[06:16] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > I have python2.3 installed. But freevo consist saying I must have <2.4 installed
[06:16] <blueprism> is there a website with a basic tutorial of ubuntu install so i dont have to install the ubuntu-desktop package
[06:16] <blueprism> ?
[06:16] <GhostNr1> or it say 2.4 should be installed
[06:16] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: Then depend on the python2.3 package (which would be enough) but stupidly also depend on python (>= 2.3.5) and python (<< 2.4). File a bug report on their sf project page.
[06:16] <jordanau> tck_, read the wiki on upgrading before you do it
[06:17] <nickrud> blueprism: do you want to pick particular programs, or no desktop at all?
[06:17] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > So it's a bug in freevo then?
[06:17] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: Yeah.
[06:17] <freddy> italiani!!!
[06:17] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > thx for the help
[06:18] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: I can help you get it installed still though. :)
[06:18] <GhostNr1> Well I have had it installed but via a source install but it break so I have reinstalled everything
[06:19] <GhostNr1> And hoped I could get it to work via the package manager
[06:19] <jordanau> is there a way to do a minimal ubuntu install?
[06:19] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > I'm not used to package manager, I just switch from some year with slackware :D
[06:19] <jordanau> like no X, less than 100 mb?
[06:19] <jordanau> or should i just use debian for something like that?
[06:20] <tsume_> jordanau: there is an option setting for the install
[06:20] <nickrud> jordanau: the server install
[06:20] <tsume_> jordanau: its in plain view of the installer
[06:20] <dcahrakos> does anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[06:20] <tsume_> jordanau: you use the regular cd
[06:20] <jordanau> tsume_, great thanks
[06:20] <blueprism> nickrud well i want a xserver setup
[06:20] <blueprism> but not with all that crap in that package
[06:20] <blueprism> hehe
[06:21] <tsume_> jordanau: I believe it says 'please type server' or somesuch
[06:21] <tsume_> jordanau: it will install the minimal amount of programs needed, and you can go with aptitude from there
[06:21] <jordanau> great, i am going to make a digital picture frame this summer on an OLD laptop and wanted to stick to ubuntu if possible
[06:21] <nickrud> blueprism: ok, do a server install, then apt-get install x-window-system, and your favorite window manager.
[06:22] <blueprism> nickrud ah oki but i was wondering what if you want xorg instead?
[06:22] <blueprism> not possible then ?
[06:23] <nickrud> blueprism: that will get xorg :)
[06:23] <blueprism> oh
[06:23] <yuriko> gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
[06:23] <yuriko> what does that mean?
[06:24] <blueprism> Sorry then i come from a debian world
[06:24] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: I'm modifying the package for you.
[06:24] <yuriko> gnome is freezing uop for one user
[06:24] <blueprism> nickrud so i am used to that would install the old x11
[06:24] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > Thx
[06:24] <nickrud> blueprism: debian the last 4 years, and the skills do transfer :)
[06:24] <blueprism> nickrud hehe i used it for aroudn 5 years but i am trying to get used to ubuntu
[06:24] <blueprism> currently trying to get it installed on my laptop
[06:26] <nickrud> blueprism: yeah, there's some differences, but the tools are the same
[06:26] <blueprism> nickrud yeah just installed it last night
[06:26] <blueprism> but im not used to use linux on laptops always did it on servers and firewall etc in many years
[06:26] <blueprism> so that is sort of making a diff, but it should come ahand
[06:26] <markuman> some gamers here? ubuntu-gamers meeting - #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[06:28] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: Or not, I can't make it back into an archive that dpkg understands. :/
[06:28] <jax> hi, is there a known fix for the debootstrap installation error ?
[06:28] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > okej, :| Maby I should try to get it work with a source build then...
[06:29] <nickrud> blueprism: Use what you're used to, but they've done a nice job on their desktop.
[06:29] <scott> where do I get templates for the Create Document item in the gnome desktop menu?
[06:30] <nickrud> scott: you basically create your own and put them there.
[06:31] <smouche> ugh, that drove me nuts in gnome.
[06:31] <scott> do I just create a blank document in AbiWord and save it as AbiWord.doc and where do I put it?
[06:31] <dcahrakos> cmon, doesnt anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[06:31] <thechitowncubs> ubuntu is on fire on distrowatch
[06:31] <daveist> is ubuntu faster than kubuntu?
[06:31] <smouche> everyone's mileage varies with that, daveist
[06:32] <jazon> hello again
[06:32] <amiroff> daveist: the base is the same
[06:33] <kippi> hi
[06:33] <amiroff> daveist: you can only judge by using both gnome and kde
[06:33] <nickrud> scott: yes to the first part of your question.
[06:33] <jazon> I don't know what i did, but my panel at the top of my screen is wrong now.  The Applications/Places/System is in the middle of the screen instead of on the left!  any soln for this?
[06:33] <kippi> i am trying to install php and it is saying it can not download the file
[06:33] <stevenj> my GF saw my ubuntu box and now she wants it....hopefully the transition will be smoothe
[06:33] <smouche> stuff on the panels tends to drift in gnome.
[06:33] <thechitowncubs> haha steven
[06:33] <amiroff> kippi: what are you trying to down and from where?
[06:34] <daveist> ok, I have installed ubuntu, and I think its alot faster than SuSE 9.2 I used before.. I just wonder if it is gnome that makes it feel faster
[06:34] <jazon> smouche, is there a way to fix it?
[06:34] <amiroff> daveist: I don't think so, ubuntu just has mnimal services by default
[06:34] <smouche> no, daveist, it's ubuntu!
[06:34] <kippi> sudo apt-get install php4
[06:34] <nickrud> Where to put it ...;
[06:34] <smouche> jazon, sorry, I don't know.  I switched to kubuntu.
[06:35] <daveist> very nice distro then..
[06:35] <stevenj> the problem I see...is that some websites just do not print correctly in firebox....not sure if its the print drivers or firefox...HP 5150...anyone have any suggestion as far as printing from firefox
[06:35] <jazon> what is that??? a kde version?
[06:35] <smouche> jazon, yes
[06:36] <jazon> smouche, is it better?
[06:36] <nickrud> scott: ~/Templates :)
[06:36] <smouche> lord, jazon!  That's a tricky question.
[06:36] <smouche> for me, yes, for others no.  Question of preferences
[06:37] <jazon> smouche, my bad - you are right.  I am running an HP m1080n, and I am having all kinds of 'fun' making all my hardware work with hoary (gnome)
[06:37] <blueprism> nickrud now i just gotta find a decent mirror where the package is
[06:37] <blueprism> ;f
[06:37] <kippi> amiroff: I am using sudo apt-get install php4
[06:37] <smouche> jazon, put it this way: ubuntu does the best gnome I've seen, kubuntu does the best kde I've seen
[06:37] <amiroff> kippi: that's correct
[06:37] <jazon> smouche, are there advantages in terms of making ubuntu work with my hardware?
[06:37] <amiroff> smouche: kde onkubuntu could be better though
[06:38] <daveist> How do I get mp3 suppert in sound juice cd ripper, the help says something about a GStreamer lame plugin
[06:38] <amiroff> smouche: just plain kde
[06:38] <kippi> amiroff, i get this Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:38] <kippi> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:38] <kippi> E: Couldn't find package php4
[06:38] <smouche> jazon, I doubt it -- but for me, I had more "out of the box it just works" luck with kde than gnome...
[06:38] <smouche> but again, everybody's mileage differs
[06:38] <nickrud> blueprism: try google ubuntu mirrors
[06:38] <dcahrakos> cmon, doesnt anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[06:38] <jax> has anyone else has the Cannot retrive bsdutils error and managed to fix it ?
[06:39] <Xebitx> which irc client do you guys use?
[06:39] <Kishu> Anyone have any idea of why I can't change FAT32 paritions' owners?
[06:39] <mercurus> Kishu, because FAT32 doesn't implement much in the way of access control
[06:39] <Plexys> how do i import fonts from windows into linux?
[06:39] <amiroff> kippi: just fire up synatic and install from there
[06:40] <mercurus> Kishu: what you need to do, is set uid=1000,gid=1000 in fstab
[06:40] <sig> Plexys: you don't have to
[06:40] <jazon> my biggest problem is that my s-video out to my tv is scrambled.... I tried updating the drivers for my ati 300 pci-e but it gave overwrite errors so i did a force -all all to no avail
[06:40] <mercurus> Kishu, so that when the fs is mounted, it mounts with ownership for your user
[06:40] <amiroff> Plexys: just copy fonts from windows to your /home/blah/.fonts dir
[06:40] <nickrud> Kishu: vfat partitions do not support changing owners on the fly
[06:40] <sig> Plexys: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[06:40] <sig> just install them via apt-get
[06:41] <amiroff> sig: apt-get does not get tahoma :)
[06:41] <nickrud> Kishu, i mean permissions in general, not just owner
[06:41] <daveist> sig> its a nice guide :-)
[06:41] <stevenj> anyone know a better print command than the default firefox print command?
[06:41] <amiroff> nickrud: permissions do not work on fat32
[06:41] <kippi> amiroff, ok thanks, that worked :D
[06:41] <amiroff> kippi: anytime
[06:41] <excel> matt@rarse:~ $ xmms
[06:41] <excel> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:41] <excel> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[06:41] <excel> any ideas what is wrong here?
[06:41] <nickrud> amiroff: true, except for the initial mount.
[06:42] <stevenj> should I use gtklp for printing?
[06:42] <amiroff> yes, I mean user permissions
[06:42] <Kishu> is this correct? /dev/hda5       /mnt/win2       vfat    defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000        0       0
[06:42] <nickrud> stevenj: I use gtklp probably 15 - 20 times a day.
[06:42] <thechitowncubs> hey guys, what do I need to access my ubuntu hoary through windows via a vnc server
[06:42] <mercurus> Kishu, yep looks good
[06:43] <Kishu> Ok thanks for the help I'm gonna reboot now
[06:43] <mercurus> now run: sudo umount /mnt/win2 && sudo mount /mnt/win2
[06:43] <mercurus> reboot ? bloody hell.
[06:43] <yuriko> crud. I just can't figure out why gnome is frezzing up for one user
[06:43] <daveist> I think ubuntu is freaking fast.. something must be wrong :D
[06:43] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: just enavle remote access in gnome
[06:43] <Alfred1881> hey all, is KDE 3.4 in Mandrake the same in Kubuntu ???
[06:44] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: and later use remote connection on windows
[06:44] <Alfred1881> are there small differences ???
[06:44] <thechitowncubs> amiroff: how do I access it from windows?
[06:44] <deFrysk> Alfred1881, kde in mandrake is crippled
[06:44] <DoppelGanger> see #windows
[06:44] <amiroff> Alfred1881: mandrake has only kde 3.3.2
[06:44] <tbird> Alfred1881, kde 3.4 in ubuntu
[06:44] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > still left? Can I change from hoary to something else. I needed to upgrade libc6 to get mplayer to work now allso :|
[06:44] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: you need a vnc viewer
[06:44] <yuriko> i think you can get 3.4 if you're a club memeber
[06:45] <mercurus> GhostNr1, how about using an older mplayer deb ?
[06:45] <deFrysk> yuriko, then $$$ makes the difference in mdk
[06:45] <tbird> lol club member
[06:45] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to do it from a browser
[06:45] <amiroff> DoppelGanger: that guy does not deserve that answer
[06:45] <GhostNr1> mercurus > maby that a good way yes :)
[06:45] <Alfred1881> deFrysk crippled ?
[06:45] <yuriko> yes one reason why i switched
[06:45] <Plexys> amiroff: when i copy the .ttf fonts from my windows partition, and try to copy them into 'fonts:///'  they do not appear
[06:45] <deFrysk> Alfred1881, yes
[06:45] <Alfred1881> i did an upgrade
[06:45] <stevenj> nickrud, well when I print from firefox some web pages are "messed up" and I noticed I dont have gtklp installed...just wondering if this should make a difference
[06:46] <unperson> Do all the marilliat packages come up as unauthenticated?
[06:46] <Alfred1881> but crashed few times in 2 days
[06:46] <amiroff> Plexys: are they in .fonts dir now? check out them
[06:46] <nickrud> stevenj: no, gtklp won't help you there.
[06:46] <deFrysk> unperson, can be fixed , see ubuntuguide.org
[06:46] <Plexys> amiroff: they are not
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> I got it sweet
[06:46] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: there are many free vnc viewers for windows, just google it
[06:47] <thechitowncubs> I got it
[06:47] <amiroff> just copy them there manually
[06:47] <amiroff> Plexys: just copy them there manually
[06:47] <amiroff> Plexys: copy and paste :)
[06:47] <Alfred1881> synaptic = kynaptic ???
[06:47] <stevenj> nickrud, have you seen this issue yourself-if so are there any solutions
[06:47] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: good :)
[06:47] <amiroff> Alfred1881: synaptic > Kynaptic
[06:48] <Alfred1881> lol
[06:48] <thechitowncubs> This is awesome
[06:48] <yuriko> ug. If I launch a broswer it won't respon and in the ps tree it seems to duplicate itself
[06:48] <nickrud> stevenj: aaah, printing in firefox comes and goes :)
[06:48] <yuriko> so now I have 5 galeon process
[06:48] <Plexys> amiroff: i tried to copy the arial.tff into fonts:, but it won't appear. although the right-click menu says i can paste, it just doesn't come
[06:48] <Plexys> amiroff: although i can copy the .ttf into my home folder
[06:49] <hile> yuriko: it's just threads shown like that in lin ux
[06:49] <sillygirly> im trying to get my sound to initialize - please help.
[06:49] <amiroff> Plexys: open 2 windows, c:\windows\fonts and /home/blah/.fonts
[06:49] <Alfred1881> i suppose synaptic is easier than rpm ?
[06:49] <nickrud> stevenj: I  have a slower machine, so I don't use firefox right now:)
[06:49] <stevenj> nickrud, heh....well I will keep researching...I just read on a forum somewhere to change the print command...
[06:49] <amiroff> Plexys: now drag and drop all the ttf files to /home/blah/.fonts
[06:50] <Plexys> amiroff: sorry for my newbieness, but what do you mean by blah? my user home folder?
[06:50] <amiroff> Plexys: yeah :)
[06:50] <yuriko> hile. Not sure what you mean. Galeon is still not loading and I have 9 process ID's for it now.
[06:50] <amiroff> Plexys: no worries, we are all newbies
[06:50] <Plexys> amiroff: that directory doesn't exist
[06:50] <Alfred1881> amiroff i suppose synaptic is easier than rpm ?
[06:51] <Plexys> amiroff: some wiki told me to copy it into 'fonts:///', which is a valid location on my pc, because all the fonts appear
[06:51] <DoppelGanger> ha
[06:51] <Plexys> amiroff: however, the problem is that when i try to paste a file into that directory it won't appear
[06:51] <DoppelGanger> some wikis are dependable sources
[06:51] <amiroff> Plexys: if there is no .fonts dir, just create it
[06:51] <DoppelGanger> then again some wikis just plain suck
[06:51] <Plexys> amiroff: the . included?
[06:51] <amiroff> Plexys: that second option had to work, dunno why did not though
[06:52] <amiroff> Plexys: yes, it will make it hidden folder
[06:52] <Plexys> amiroff: ok, i created it and successfully pasted the arial.ttf file in there
[06:52] <Plexys> amiroff: now, can i use that for various applications?
[06:52] <amiroff> Plexys: great, yes!
[06:53] <amiroff> Plexys: launch font conf. dialog and change your font from there
[06:53] <blueprism> nickrud you still here ?
[06:54] <nickrud> blueprism, you just caught me before I left
[06:54] <blueprism> nickrud im still tracking the x-window-system package but still cant seem to find any mirro rwith it ... and all the apt says is its referred to by anotherpackage
[06:54] <JinxColor> if I changed video cards do I have to reconfig xserver?
[06:54] <blueprism> any way to get name of which
[06:55] <Alfred1881> amiroff: i suppose synaptic is easier than rpm's ?
[06:55] <amiroff> Alfred1881: synaptic has nothing to do with rpms, does it?
[06:55] <amiroff> Alfred1881: you can use synaptic on rpm based distros too
[06:55] <excel> http://rafb.net/paste/results/jxL1oF95.html <-- Any ideas what is wrong here?
[06:56] <Plexys> amiroff: thank you, openoffice word processor is now writing in arial :)
[06:56] <sid77> hi
[06:56] <Alfred1881> i mean what about installing progs
[06:56] <Alfred1881> is it easy
[06:56] <amiroff> Plexys: enjoy man!
[06:56] <nickrud> blueprism: I've got 6.8.2-10 available.
[06:56] <dcahrakos> doesnt anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem?? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hangs there
[06:56] <amiroff> Plexys: but you will have to do that again if you create another user in future, to do that only once you should install the fonts system-wide
[06:57] <blueprism> nickrud damn
[06:57] <blueprism> can i borrow your sources.list?
[06:57] <blueprism> :x
[06:57] <nickrud> blue-prism: Hoary??
[06:57] <blueprism> yep
[06:57] <Plexys> amiroff: ok, i'll keep that in mind
[06:57] <nickrud> I'll put it on pastebin.com
[06:57] <blueprism> nickrud should i change to other than hoary?
[06:59] <dcraven> bluefoxicy, no. Hoary is good.
[06:59] <dcraven> biab
[06:59] <yuriko> dcahrakos can't you turn that off?
[06:59] <dcraven> err.. blueprism no. Hoary is good.
[06:59] <dcahrakos> yuriko, turn what off?
[07:00] <yuriko> hotplugging
[07:00] <blueprism> ah
[07:00] <dave__> hmm think ive got my broadcom chipset wifi card working now yay, just wish my wirelesss wasnt away for repair now doh
[07:00] <blueprism> now im just waiting for a proper sources.list if nickrud would find it
[07:00] <Nermal> anything in the breezy repositories yet ?
[07:00] <dave__> my windows pc with wifi card seems to see it adhoc anyway
[07:01] <nickrud> http://pastebin.com/272439
[07:03] <Alfred1881> are mplayer, kmplayer integrated in (k) ubuntu ????
[07:03] <DoppelGanger> dunno are they
[07:03] <tbird> Alfred1881, yes if you install em
[07:04] <djm62> for certain values of integrated ;)
[07:04] <smouche> don't think so -- anyway, I don't have kmplayer on mine
[07:04] <GNAM> Alfred1881: UNIVERSE is the law
[07:05] <smouche> I suppose kmplayer is more "integrated" than plain mplayer, by definition ;-)
[07:05] <DoppelGanger> integrated
[07:05] <DoppelGanger> hmmm
[07:05] <DoppelGanger> interesting
[07:05] <dantheman> if i'm ssh-ed into a remote machine, how can i copy a file from there onto my computer?
[07:05] <djm62> dantheman: use scp or sftp?
[07:06] <triandafilos_> what software do i use to burn dvd?
[07:06] <dantheman> alright
[07:06] <DoppelGanger> he eh triandafilos_ www.fuckinggoogleit.com
[07:06] <blueprism> nice nickrud
[07:06] <blueprism> it works fine now
[07:06] <DoppelGanger> thts wht you get for speaking english
[07:06] <djm62> triandafilos_: on plain ubuntu, gnomebaker
[07:06] <triandafilos_> thanks
[07:06] <Poprocks> hey all, I just installed Warty yesterday and apt-got it to Hoary.  It was working fine at first, but now when GNOME starts, my laptop freezes solid -- it gets to putting the gnome-panel but before the applets can load it freezes
[07:07] <nickrud> blueprism: so do you have x-window-system now?
[07:07] <nickrud> blueprism, good.
[07:07] <djm62> Poprocks: can you start it from the command line to see what errors come up?
[07:07] <Poprocks> djm62: I don't get any
[07:07] <nickrud> time for sunday morning brunch.
[07:08] <djm62> Poprocks: does it completely freeze, or does gnome just stop loading?
[07:08] <Poprocks> djm62: I can't move the mouse, and I can't ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:09] <djm62> Poprocks: nasty! but X is starting ok, because you see the pictures until then?
[07:09] <Poprocks> djm62: yeah I can start X with an xterm
[07:09] <blueprism> anyone know if there is a blackbox or fluxbox package for ubuntu ?
[07:09] <blueprism> or do i have to stick with either kde or gnome ?
[07:10] <djm62> blueprism: in universe/multiverse there is
[07:10] <crimsun> blueprism: (universe)
[07:10] <blueprism> ah sweet =)
[07:10] <xdkn> blueprism, u may also install xfce :]
[07:10] <Poprocks> brb, I need more virtual consoles
[07:10] <blueprism> xdkn im more into blackbox or fluxbox
[07:10] <blueprism> kde is nice for some people
[07:10] <blueprism> but i dont like all this fancy setup
[07:10] <crimsun> (xfce4 would be the correct metapackage name ;-)
[07:11] <djm62> crimsun: any idea what could be wrong for poprocks?
[07:11] <blueprism> i like my linux clean style
[07:11] <crimsun> djm62: dunno, haven't looked at it
[07:11] <crimsun> djm62: got a bugzilla url?
[07:11] <djm62> nope
[07:12] <dj-death> hi all
[07:12] <dj-death> I'm trying to compile luminocity
[07:13] <crimsun> Poprocks: so the problem only exhibits itself when you start gnome 2.10.1 in Hoary?
[07:13] <Poprocks> crimsun: yeah but it *did* work for a while after I upgraded
[07:13] <dj-death> but configure.ac require xtst.pc from libxtst
[07:13] <Poprocks> and after I rebooted I might add
[07:13] <blueprism> hm what the hell is the name of that window manager that starts it on reboot ?
[07:13] <dj-death> but I cant find this file using apt-file
[07:13] <Poprocks> but then I ran the GIMP, and it froze while it was starting.  Ever since then, it's been doing it
[07:14] <djm62> Poprocks: can you ssh to the machine? to confirm how deeply it's locked
[07:14] <Poprocks> djm62: good question, I'll try
[07:14] <unperson> Sorry, I asked this before but then I had to leave before I could see the answer.  Do all the marilliat packages come up as unauthenticated?
[07:15] <crimsun> dj-death: use packages.ubuntu.com
[07:15] <dj-death> crimsun: ?
[07:15] <djm62> give you a fighting chance to get error messages
[07:15] <crimsun> dj-death: use the search feature on packages.ubuntu.com. It will tell you which -dev package to install.
[07:15] <dj-death> ok
[07:16] <Poprocks> ok, hold onto your butts
[07:16] <crimsun> unperson: wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[07:16] <kippi> how do you set-up ssh?
[07:16] <crimsun> kippi: the server? aptitude install openssh-server
[07:16] <unperson> Poprocks:  That's not very lady like.
[07:16] <Poprocks> hmm
[07:16] <dj-death> crimsun: not found
[07:16] <Poprocks> starting gnome-panel didn't freeze it
[07:16] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Perhaps you can clear something up for me.  System -> about gnome says gnome 2.10.0, but my packages seem to suggest that I'm running 2.10.1.  Furthermore I wasn't even aware there was a 2.10.1
[07:16] <unperson> crimsun:  Thanks.
[07:16] <kippi> crimsun: ah ok
[07:17] <rotherad> hi guys, i have just installed ubuntu on my laptop, does any1 know how to make the battery monitor to work
[07:17] <rotherad> i have everythin else workin
[07:18] <crimsun> SeamusLP: you're running 2.10.1. The splash screens simply weren't all updated.
[07:18] <Tirno> rotherad: I have the same trouble. I think on most laptops, it just doesn't and won't
[07:18] <rotherad> damn
[07:18] <rotherad> i need it to work, ill fiddle to try and get it workin
[07:18] <crimsun> SeamusLP: 2.10.1 (instead of 2.10) is the reason Hoary was delayed from 6 April to 8 April
[07:18] <dave__> mine does
[07:18] <rotherad> if i cant ill have to go back to......
[07:18] <blueprism> pelase tell me if anyone has that to work
[07:18] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Ah, very interesting
[07:18] <k-otik> what is a bittorrentmeta file?
[07:18] <blueprism> with battery monitor has the problem aswell
[07:18] <blueprism> :o
[07:18] <dave__> but sometime says running on batterys when its on ac
[07:18] <unperson> Tirno:  New to warty?
[07:18] <djm62> rotherad: http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[07:19] <unperson> Tirno:  I mean, is that a new problem since Warty?
[07:19] <kippi> if i am in a ssh login how would I su?
[07:19] <djm62> kippi: sudo, same as usual
[07:19] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[07:19] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Also, are the next few gnome bug fix releases going to be built for hoary?  I'm noticing a buggy gnome-panel and nautilus.
[07:19] <itay> how do I install nvidia driver
[07:20] <vanQ> excuse me
[07:20] <kippi> ah ok
[07:20] <GhostNr1> in the packet system have they as standard hoary, are there any better. I can't get anything to work. Like mplayer
[07:20] <vanQ> I just downloaded ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso
[07:20] <vanQ> Live CD
[07:20] <Tirno> unperson: I've had the problem since warty
[07:20] <vanQ> it's a .rar
[07:20] <Tirno> and same on hoary
[07:20] <vanQ> or wopsie
[07:20] <vanQ> nothing
[07:20] <vanQ> forget it
[07:20] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[07:20] <crimsun> SeamusLP: unlikely unless they're critical. You'd be better off tracking Breezy in a couple weeks.
[07:20] <Poprocks> nope, can't ssh in
[07:20] <turkey_joe> can someone tell me why i can't hear any sound on my ubuntu machine??
[07:21] <GhostNr1> Tirno > Do you have any solution to it?
[07:21] <djm62> Poprocks: can you specify noacpi on booting?
[07:21] <turkey_joe> sorry...i hear it within the OS just can't hear it when playing games and stuff.
[07:21] <SeamusLP> crimsun: Thanks
[07:21] <Poprocks> I don't *want* to run without acpi
[07:21] <unperson> The batter monitor worked fine for me in Warty and seems to still work in hoary.
[07:21] <djm62> Poprocks: but it would be nice to know if that was the problem
[07:21] <djm62> Poprocks: then solve it if it is
[07:21] <Poprocks> djm62: why would starting gnome-panel not crash it then?
[07:22] <turkey_joe> can someone help me plz??
[07:22] <unperson> rotherad:  I'm sure you did.  But you did go to prefs on the power monitor applet and check the "show battery life" box, right?
[07:22] <unperson> I only ask because on my machine it was not checked by default.
[07:22] <djm62> Poprocks: the whole thing seems weird to me...the only thing I can thing of is the HAL
[07:22] <Poprocks> djm62: I'll get rid of hal & dbus from my runlevel
[07:23] <crimsun> turkey_joe: pkill esd, then start your game
[07:23] <unperson> Perhaps whether the battery monitor works depends on which power management system your machine uses, ACPI or APM.
[07:25] <Tirno> I have acpi I think
[07:25] <unperson> rotherad:  Does you laptop use APM or ACPI, any idea?
[07:25] <turkey_joe> ok..that worked...thanks....how about when i'm listening to audio from the internet??
[07:25] <djm62> Poprocks: also, did the upgrade go completely right? did you use dist-upgrade? are all warty type entries definitely gone from your file
[07:25] <itay> how do I install nvidia driver?
[07:25] <Tirno> it tells me battery status unknown
[07:25] <rotherad> unperson im not sure
[07:26] <Poprocks> djm62: that I'm not sure about
[07:26] <rotherad> how do i change / find out
[07:26] <Poprocks> yes I used dist-upgrade
[07:26] <unperson> Tirno:  Mine is ACPI.  That's what is says in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state?
[07:26] <Poprocks> djm62: and if by "my file" you mean sources.list then yes
[07:26] <cavediver> Can I disable recent document thing in gnome ?
[07:27] <Tirno> unperson: /proc/acpi/battery is empty
[07:27] <cikilin> hello!!!!!!!!11
[07:27] <blueprism> hm is it bad if i get Gateway Timeout to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/(main,restricted,universe) ?
[07:27] <blueprism> :s
[07:27] <unperson> rotherad:  It's a good question.  :-)  I don't recall how I found out.  I know you can pay close attention during boot and figure it out.  Go to /proc and see if there is an apm or acpi directory.
[07:27] <rotherad> there is a acpi dir
[07:27] <yuriko> ok. It's not just gnome. XFCE won't work for one user either
[07:27] <crimsun> turkey_joe: eh? It should work. What sort of streams are you trying to play?
[07:28] <Pipe1> 5.04 i386 installed on PC without internet access, copied http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb over with usb-stick but can't run it from the gui the way I could do rpms in Mandrake. I can't install it with Archive manager. Is there maybe a way thru the console?
[07:28] <unperson> rotherad:  So, go to /proc/acpi/battery
[07:28] <yuriko> it starts up fine, but as soon as I try to do anything the application won't load completely
[07:28] <SeamusLP> Pipe1: dpkg -i
[07:28] <yuriko> ideas?
[07:28] <unperson> Tirno:  Hmm...don't know what that means.  Other than, presumably, it isn't aware of your battery at all.
[07:28] <rotherad> unperson: there is nothing in there
[07:29] <SeamusLP> Pipe1: actually sudo dpkg -i :)
[07:29] <unperson> rotherad:  Well, it definitely sounds like you have the same deal as Tirno.  I don't know the answer, though.
[07:30] <unperson> I don't know much about it, unfortunately.
[07:30] <Tirno> what laptop do you have rotherad?
[07:30] <djm62> Poprocks: I'm completely stumped...when you say running gnome-panel doesn't crash it...does that mean all you applets are loaded and working?
[07:30] <Poprocks> djm62: correct
[07:30] <Pipe1> SeamusLP, thanks. It said unpacking and then setting up.
[07:30] <Poprocks> the *only* thing that appears to crash it is gnome-session
[07:30] <intinig> hello all
[07:30] <Poprocks> heck, running gnome-settings-daemon works
[07:31] <cikilin> hello!what do i have to do to remote  a pc?
[07:31] <intinig> Does anyone know why I'm getting a virtual desktop larger than the screen resolution after I switched to fglxr?
[07:31] <yuriko> attempt to put segment in horiz line twice
[07:31] <yuriko> ?
[07:31] <yuriko> that's the only error I can find
[07:31] <SeamusLP> Pipe1:  Word of advice, you can install rpms on ubuntu as well.  You use alien to convert them first.
[07:31] <crimsun> yuriko: unrelated.
[07:31] <rotherad> Tirno: I have a Toshiba Equium L!)
[07:31] <rotherad> L10*
[07:31] <yuriko> where can I find the error?
[07:31] <Pipe1> SeamusLP: thanks, I'll look into that.
[07:32] <yuriko> I can't fix it if don't know what it is
[07:32] <djm62> Poprocks: what if you create a new user...does starting from default settings make a difference?
[07:32] <rotherad> unperson: can i change to APM to try it?
[07:32] <cikilin> hi SeamusLP!
[07:32] <Poprocks_PC> yikes I spoke too soon!
[07:32] <ailleantsian> howdo i mount the fat2 hd so ubuntu will see my windows partition ?
[07:32] <Poprocks_PC> killing gnome-settings-daemon & running it again crashed iit!
[07:32] <SeamusLP> cikilin:  Hello.
[07:32] <cikilin> :)
[07:33] <SeamusLP> cikilin, ubuntu been working out alright for you?
[07:33] <Poprocks_PC> maybe I'll look at my control-center, maybe reinstall it
[07:33] <rayen> Hi, I was wondering if the packages which are build for apt-get/debian are the same as on Ubuntu?
[07:33] <djm62> Poprocks_PC: have you tried creating a new user?
[07:33] <cikilin> i had some unnespected pb!
[07:33] <Poprocks_PC> djm62, the same thing happens as root, if that makes a difference
[07:33] <SeamusLP> Alright, shoot
[07:33] <cikilin> in principal yes
[07:33] <unperson> rotherad:  I don't know.  I know my computer only supports ACPI, but I think some computers support both.
[07:33] <unperson> rotherad:  I've been told that Linux support for APM is more mature.
[07:33] <djm62> Poprocks_PC: if root existed when you were running warty, maybe not...
[07:33] <cikilin> sometimes my windows are closing suddenly!
[07:34] <SysFail> prop em up with a stick
[07:34] <SeamusLP> rotherad:  ACPI is much nicer, and kernel support for it is only improving
[07:34] <unperson> rotherad:  But I don't think I know how to switch.  You might try looking up APM on the wiki or the forums.
[07:34] <Poprocks> ok back on my laptop
[07:34] <Poprocks> djm62: I'll try that now
[07:35] <crimsun> what's Poprocks's central issue?
[07:35] <unperson> rotherad:  Sorry, I think this is beyond my depth.
[07:35] <crimsun> gnome-session is fubaring gnome-panel?
[07:35] <SeamusLP> cikilin:  What do you mean?
[07:35] <Poprocks> crimsun: gnome-settings-daemon (it seems) is crashing my whole computer
[07:35] <crimsun> Poprocks: I thought you said gnome-settings-daemon _works_
[07:35] <Poprocks> crimsun: yes but I killed it and started it again and it crashed
[07:36] <rayen> Hi, I was wondering if the packages which are build for apt-get/debian are the same as on Ubuntu?
[07:36] <Poprocks> brb, logging in as new user
[07:37] <djm62> of course, if it works as newuser, the mystery remains :-/
[07:37] <Dethread> n
[07:37] <crimsun> did Poprocks say if (s)he is using an unsupported kernel?
[07:37] <Poprocks_PC> damnit, little bugger
[07:37] <Poprocks_PC> crimsun, I'm using 2.6.11-k7 from apt
[07:38] <unperson> SeamusLP:  It sounds like ACPI may not work properly for his mobo, though.
[07:38] <Poprocks_PC> I can try 2.6.10 if you want
[07:38] <Pipe1> 5.04. Anything other than libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb needed to view encrypted DVDs? Totem seems to need "corresponding plugins".
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: .11 ?
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: from Debian?
[07:38] <djm62> .11?
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: or 2.6.11-0.2 from universe?
[07:38] <Poprocks_PC> crimsun, I'm not sure, it might be from universe
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: there's your problem. 2.6.11-0.2 from universe is unsupported. Please do not use it.
[07:38] <Poprocks_PC> I didn't notice
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: uname -r
[07:38] <Poprocks_PC> it was the newest I saw, so I installed it.
[07:39] <Poprocks_PC> k lemme check that
[07:39] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: no, use 2.6.10-5-k7
[07:39] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: unless you pass 2.6.11-0.2 "noinotify", it will freeze your machine.
[07:39] <Amaranth> Do _not_ ue 2.6.11-0.2, it is _known_ to not work.
[07:39] <SeamusLP> unperson:  I don't completely trust ACPI, but I've had good luck with it so far
[07:39] <Amaranth> s/ue/use/
[07:40] <Poprocks> 2.6.11-1-k7
[07:40] <karim> how can I have the hoary fixes ?
[07:40] <SysFail> k7 freezes mine everytime
[07:41] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: correct, that's 2.6.11-0.2. Do not use it.
[07:41] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: that explains your machine's freezes.
[07:41] <unperson> Ok, for anyone needing to switch from ACPI to APM, this may be a start:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2620.html
[07:41] <mukanico> does anyone have problems about the ram usage on Kubuntu?
[07:41] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: alternately, you can use 2.6.11-0.2 if you pass "noinotify" as a boot parameter
[07:41] <Poprocks> crimsun: hmm, ok.  I used it on Slackware when I had it previously, but that was a vanilla kernel, ubuntu's is probably pretty heavily patched...
[07:41] <crimsun> mukanico: no
[07:41] <crimsun> Poprocks: very heavily.
[07:42] <Feilding> Hello everyone :)  does ubuntu or Kubuntu have support for Sony Mini disks? TIA :)
[07:42] <kippi> is i wanted to run a ftp server, what would be a good ftp server?
[07:42] <Poprocks> crimsun: that's ok, I'll try 2.6.10!  brb :)
[07:42] <karim> how to get the updates for hoary ?
[07:42] <crimsun> kippi: I recommend using scp or sftp instead, but if you must use ftp, use vsftpd or proftpd
[07:42] <Nermal> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:42] <karim> I mean is there some sources to add
[07:42] <Nermal> karim: oh..
[07:43] <karim> in plus of the one I got before it freezed
[07:43] <Nermal> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[07:43] <Nermal> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[07:43] <karim> thanks :D
[07:43] <karim> is there e17 in breezy ?
[07:43] <kippi> crimsun: if i used sftp can you use a normal ftp client to connect to it?
[07:43] <voided> hi!  what do i need in sources.list to upgrade to breezy from hoary ?
[07:43] <karim> Nermal, there is no updates for universe and multiverse ?
[07:44] <crimsun> kippi: I'd use scp (ssh).
[07:44] <crimsun> karim: for multiverse, no
[07:45] <Poprocks_PC> yay!
[07:45] <djm62> Feilding: http://notmd.sourceforge.net/ might help you
[07:45] <unperson> Feilding:  I don't know for sure.  I'd be skeptical, though, since minidisks use propriety ALTRAC compression.
[07:45] <Poprocks_PC> I need to get ubuntu's ndiswrapper-utils back, when it didn't work on 2.6.11 I compiled my own XD
[07:45] <Feilding> ok Ty :)
[07:45] <unperson> I stand corrected.  :-)
[07:45] <voided> anyone?  is there an howto or something that talks about it?
[07:45] <Poprocks_PC> but the kernel was the problem with the freezes
[07:46] <Pipe1> 5.04: can't play unencrypted or encrypted (install of libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb seemed fine) DVDs with Totem: no decoder for VOB. Something else needed?
[07:47] <SysFail> pipe: try kaffeine
[07:47] <SysFail> see if the libs are working
[07:47] <djm62> has anyone got totem playing DVDs happily?
[07:47] <SysFail> i play all mine in kaffeine without a hitch
[07:48] <djm62> totem freezes every time for me...I'm happy enough to use mplayer, but I've yet to see totem play anything :-/
[07:48] <Feilding> yea i always just use xmms or kafeen
[07:48] <SysFail> i couldnt get xmms to play movies
[07:48] <Poprocks_PC> xmms for DVDs??
[07:48] <SysFail> howd you do that?
[07:49] <Poprocks_PC> maybe with the mplayer plugin...
[07:49] <djm62> popcorn plugin, back in the day
[07:49] <Feilding> 0o sorry thought you where talking about music
[07:49] <Feilding> I have no DVD
[07:49] <Pipe1> SysFail: Ah, thanks. Newbie here: where's kaff? It's not under "Applications" "Sound & Video", nor in the list for "Run Application". Do I need to download its deb?
[07:49] <RRubin> i cant seem to make a kernel that boots. is there an initrd trick to it?
[07:50] <SysFail> its under multimedia
[07:50] <SysFail> kaffeine is the command
[07:50] <DoppelGanger> caffeine is in coffee
[07:50] <DoppelGanger> he eh
[07:50] <markuman> some gamers here? ubuntu-gamers meeting - #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[07:50] <crimsun> RRubin: yes, read the cramfs section in the make-kpkg section carefull.
[07:50] <crimsun> RRubin: carefully^
[07:50] <djm62> Pipe1: apt-cache search kaffeine if it isn't installed
[07:50] <RRubin> crimsun: someone might want to update http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto/view?searchterm=compile%20kernel
[07:50] <crimsun> RRubin: otherwise, skip the initrd altogether and compile everything needed to access your / directly into your kernel
[07:50] <crimsun> RRubin: you can update it, too...
[07:51] <unperson> Anyone with a laptop have any luck switching between the built-in LCD and a connected monitor?
[07:51] <Pipe1> djm62: the ubuntu PC's not connected to the net, I'll download it and usb-stick it over. Thanks.
[07:51] <RRubin> i may be able to after i read the manual you mentioned :)
[07:51] <crimsun> RRubin: that's why I always carry a K/ubuntu livecd
[07:52] <RRubin> i have the orig kernel handy, but ndiswrapper wont load into it so im trying to fix that
[07:53] <RRubin> crimsun: hrm so i read that section ... about needing a patched kernel. but i got my kernel from apt
[07:53] <marcin_ant> hi all I got short question - how to play something with mpg321?
[07:54] <marcin_ant> I got info that "can't find suitable libdao driver"
[07:54] <munki> marcin_ant, then you need to get det libdao driver
[07:55] <crimsun> RRubin: your kernel _source_, I presume?
[07:55] <Poprocks> configuring synaptics driver is the next step ... I *hate* tap-to-click
[07:56] <yuriko> newuser works fine until I use oldusers /home
[07:56] <munki> marcin_ant, search in synaptic
[07:56] <marcin_ant> munki:  dpkg -l | grep libao
[07:56] <marcin_ant> ii  libao2         0.8.5-1ubuntu2 Cross Platform Audio Output Library
[07:57] <marcin_ant> munki: so apparently I got this package installed
[07:57] <munki> hmm, ya.. seems like that
[07:58] <munki> what does mpg321 say, when you mpg321 <filename> ?
[07:58] <munki> and what kind of file, are trying to play ?
[07:59] <munki> marcin_ant , hmm.. mine says the same :S
[07:59] <marcin_ant> munki: you want it all?
[07:59] <munki> marcin_ant , heh.. no thanks :) mine say the same, device in use
[07:59] <marcin_ant> munki: "Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[07:59] <marcin_ant> "
[08:00] <munki> i think maybe Gnome are taking control of libao
[08:00] <munki> so it is in use, you know.. the gnome-systemsounds
[08:00] <munki> use mplayer, that works :)
[08:00] <marcin_ant> munki: the thing is that I don't use gnome
[08:01] <RRubin> im having problems with sound too. anyone gotten xmms to work?
[08:01] <crimsun> RRubin: yep. What sort of issues?
[08:01] <marcin_ant> munki: I mean I don't have gnome-session
[08:01] <RRubin> gnome can play them
[08:01] <marcin_ant> munki: I use ion3 as window manager
[08:01] <RRubin> but nothing else can (xmms, xine, etc)
[08:01] <munki> marcin_ant , okay.. dunno then
[08:01] <RRubin> im sorta new to gnome
[08:01] <crimsun> RRubin: tell your non-gnome music apps to use esd
[08:01] <marcin_ant> munki: and I would like to use emacs with emms (which is frontend to mpg321)
[08:02] <crimsun> RRubin: for instance, tell xmms and/or beep-media-player to use their esound outputs
[08:02] <RRubin> crimsun: ahh, so i prolly need xmms-esd
[08:02] <marcin_ant> munki: and while mpg321 doesn't work then well I need to use xmms or something like this
[08:02] <regeya> or you could just not use esd, unless you really need for gnome apps to beep and boop ;-)
[08:02] <crimsun> RRubin: no, just change the output plugin in preferences
[08:03] <munki> marcin_ant , ya.. don't know how to get it to work ..
[08:03] <munki> marcin_ant , just checked -I got the same issue..
[08:03] <marcin_ant> munki: ok
[08:04] <marcin_ant> munki: well it's not ok - but it's ok that you can reproduce this bug
[08:04] <RRubin> crimsun: that worked. thanks
[08:04] <crimsun> RRubin: np
[08:04] <marcin_ant> munki: so I can file bug report
[08:04] <Richy22866> when trying to upload files as user 'games' it does a bit then receive "connection closed. server timeout", but other users work fine. have tried a few ftpds and same prob. what could be causing this? No quotas are set, connection is fine.
[08:05] <nicoOoO> hi
[08:06] <munki> marcin_ant , ya.. do that
[08:06] <munki> marcin_ant , I don't have to use mpg321 -but please bug it
[08:06] <RRubin> is there an ls command that puts dirs first?
[08:07] <nicoOoO> anybody knows an IRC client that allows to use a different charset for each channel joined? xchat doesn't seem to allow it... /charset changes the charset of all the channels joined on the current server :(
[08:07] <RRubin> marcin_ant: have you tried mp3blaster?
[08:07] <RRubin> mpg321 suxx
[08:07] <munki> RRubin , why so ?
[08:07] <crimsun> nicoOoO: I'm fairly certain Kopete does
[08:08] <RRubin> munki: cant stream worth salt
[08:08] <RRubin> skips constantly
[08:08] <nicoOoO> crimsun, thanks... it is a kde client isn't it? :(
[08:08] <RRubin> even when streaming localhost (ampache)
[08:08] <munki> RRubin , but it does play mp3, ogg
[08:08] <munki> wav, etc...
[08:08] <kippi> do people use postfix or sendmail? which one would people recomend?
[08:08] <RRubin> mp3blaster does too, with a nice curses interface to boot
[08:09] <crimsun> nicoOoO: you can use another one...chatzilla, for instance, or Gaim or irssi, ...
[08:09] <djm62> nicoOoO: gaim seems to display most languages correctly
[08:09] <blueprism> hm where to find the proftpd package for ubuntu
[08:09] <munki> ya, but please whatch your language, mpg321 is nice app.
[08:09] <crimsun> blueprism: in universe
[08:09] <nicoOoO> gaim? isn't it an IM client?
[08:09] <djm62> nicoOoO: with options to have IRC channels as buddies
[08:10] <zenrox> nicoOoO, but it also does irc protical
[08:10] <nicoOoO> hmm...
[08:10] <djm62> nicoOoO: it's not a dedicated irc client, but it's quite usable (I'm on it now)
[08:10] <Myrtti> djm62: I thought the IRC protocol doesn't comment on what charset should be used in IRC
[08:10] <Myrtti> djm62: so if you're seeing different languages correctly, that's just because you've been lucky
[08:11] <djm62> Myrtti: well, the _real_ solution is jabber ;)
[08:11] <Myrtti> if that was what you meant
[08:11] <Myrtti> djm62: the _real_ solution is bitlbee
[08:12] <djm62> bitlbee? doesn't that sit on top of irc?
[08:12] <nicoOoO> i don't understant why don't everybody use UTF8
[08:12] <LycoN> Can i install LILO from windows?
[08:12] <blueprism> crimsun hmm hehe i think i need to find a sources.list somewhere with proper mirros to universe
[08:12] <Myrtti> no, irc sits on top of it
[08:13] <Myrtti> nicoOoO: old habits die hard
[08:13] <sig> blueprism: look at sources.list examples on ubuntuguide.org
[08:13] <sig> on adding repo's
[08:13] <michael> can anyone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27705 ???
[08:13] <blueprism> sig ah thanks alot
[08:14] <nicoOoO> Myrtti, yes i guess so
[08:14] <tck_> anyone else getting gpg errors off the ftp://ftp.nerim.net hoary source list whence doing an apt-get update
[08:14] <Nermal> yah
[08:14] <Nermal> anyone on breezy yet ?
[08:14] <crimsun> Nermal: yes
[08:15] <nicoOoO> never used chatzilla is it a stand-alone program or part of the "big" mozilla?
[08:15] <michael> can anyone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27705 ??? i really do need help on this
[08:15] <crimsun> nicoOoO: part of the big suite
[08:15] <nicoOoO> k
[08:15] <Nermal> crimsun: much difference between that and hoary yet ?
[08:15] <Myrtti> nicoOoO: if one's on several channels where everyone else uses iso-8859-1, it's easier to switch to that than to make others to switch their charsets
[08:15] <Nermal> useable ? breakage ?
[08:15] <patrick_> theres a chatzilla extension for firefox
[08:17] <jordanau> i messed up the top line of my /etc/apt/source.list file can someone on hoary please post their cd repository link
[08:18] <dragonman> hello everyone i'm a newbie and have a few questions if you don't mind
[08:18] <kyncani> jordanau: goto #flood
[08:19] <jordanau> #flood
[08:19] <jordanau> kyncani, im there
[08:19] <djm62> dragonman: just ask
[08:19] <dragonman> im at the root and can't figure out how to log in
[08:20] <cnez0red> wtf? According to the system monitor applet, I'm using 100% cpu. But according to gnome system, nothing is using any cpu power.
[08:20] <djm62> dragonman: what's on your screen exactly?
[08:20] <jordanau> kyncani, great its fixed, thank you
[08:20] <pass> bonjour a tous
[08:21] <kyncani> jordanau: np
[08:21] <RRubin> cnez0red: cpu frequency monitor?
[08:21] <|iggy|> Does anybody can help me with my laptop? If i turn down the display the monitor is not going down but when im away from the laptop they turn off
[08:22] <cnez0red> RRubin yeah.
[08:22] <dragonman> im not on the screen now but i believe its in red and says either root live: or boot live:
[08:22] <djm62> dragonman: just after you power-on/put the disk in?
[08:23] <cnez0red> and what's this process called getty? There's six of those happening.
[08:23] <dr_willis> those do the LOGIN: on the consoles
[08:23] <dragonman> after it does some installing yes
[08:23] <djm62> dr_willis: was that for dragonman?
[08:23] <nickrud> cnezOred: those are the ctl alt  F1 thru F6 consoles
[08:24] <dr_willis> getty and mgetty handle the login: and a few other things. :P
[08:24] <cnez0red> nickrud I see. Well gnome-system-monitor advised against killing them, so I didn't.
[08:24] <djm62> dragonman: just press enter (or wait for a few seconds)
[08:24] <nickrud> wise choice :)
[08:25] <nydust> I have a company and we need i website, and a webshop. what is the best? free templates ect.
[08:25] <cnez0red> I'd still like to know why my cpu is 100% in use though. I'm only using Pan, this, and a few terminal windows.
[08:25] <nydust> i =a
[08:25] <nickrud> cnez0red: change the preferences in the applet to use very different colors, that will help
[08:26] <djm62> nydust: you might be better off farming the webshop off onto ebay or someone
[08:26] <dragonman> ill try that but i think ive already tried it
[08:26] <nydust> djm62, farming?
[08:26] <cnez0red> nickrud how will that help?
[08:26] <djm62> nydust: as in, not trying to develop a secure, user-friendly webshop yourself...avoid the hassle
[08:27] <nickrud> cnez0red: there are different reasons why the cpu can be busy; this will help you track it down.
[08:27] <nydust> djm62, i see, but we need it for our clients. I dont think they want to bay on ebay...
[08:27] <beggar> what are the better direct connect client+gui for linux?
[08:27] <djm62> nydust: http://plone.org/ might be your CMS
[08:28] <nydust> djm62, i see the hassle
[08:28] <nydust> djm62, thanks
[08:29] <cnez0red> nickrud it's mostly user.
[08:30] <nickrud> cnez0red: then in a terminal, start the top program
[08:30] <cnez0red> nickrud aah... a game called XRunSabre is still running. I thought I'd quit it ages ago. That probly doesn't help.
[08:31] <nickrud> cnez0red: probably not :)
[08:31] <cnez0red> nickrud now my cpu usage has gone down to 5% heh.
[08:31] <BrettMeister> Hey, everyone.  Seems like I installed Kubuntu okay...got to the login, logged in okay.  Now what?  How do I get from the terminal to the KDE desktop?
[08:31] <cnez0red> actually bouncing between 5-30%.
[08:32] <cnez0red> nickrud thanx for that. Didn't think of trying top.
[08:32] <Marble2> why does traceroute not work for me?
[08:32] <ublive> startx
[08:32] <BrettMeister> I sure would apreciate any help....
[08:32] <nickrud> cnez0red: now pick some colors you can live with :)
[08:32] <cnez0red> Marble2 have u tried it with route privelages?
[08:32] <NotANick> BrettMeister: startx
[08:32] <BrettMeister> NotANick: That's it?
[08:32] <Marble2> cnez0red: how do I set that up?
[08:33] <ublive> or CTRL-F7 if its already started
[08:33] <cnez0red> nickrud I think I can live with these. Gives me a better idea what's going on than different shades of blue.
[08:33] <kyncani> BrettMeister: ALT-F7
[08:33] <ssam> brettmeister, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:33] <BrettMeister> kyncani: thanks
[08:33] <Garathor> Is there any way i can use ISO8859-1 in aterm?
[08:33] <BrettMeister> Seems like several of you have some different ways.  All okay?
[08:33] <ublive> oh ya, CTRL-ALT-F7
[08:33] <LycoN> I have linux installed on my primary harddrive.  i have windows xp installed on my secondary harddrive.  grub gives me error 21 and wont load windows on secondary harddrive.  Help?
[08:34] <cnez0red> Marble2 have u got installed? If not, try $sudo apt-get install traceroute
[08:34] <Marble2> cnez0red: I have
[08:34] <BrettMeister> Thanks everyone.
[08:34] <BrettMeister> ssam: Thanks.
[08:34] <Marble2> it just gives me  * * * crap past the first hop
[08:34] <NotANick> BrettMeister: or you can try startkde, i think that works
[08:35] <cnez0red> Marble2 network probs?
[08:35] <BrettMeister> NotANick: Thanks.  I'll try these ideas.
[08:35] <Marble2> cnez0red: I can get online fine
[08:35] <Marble2> use irc, web, whatever
[08:35] <Marble2> but traceroute just doesn't work
[08:35] <BrettMeister> NotANick: Is this the usual way that ubuntu starts once installed?
[08:35] <Marble2> traceroute to google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
[08:35] <Marble2>  1  <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>)  5.815 ms  0.651 ms  0.613 ms
[08:35] <Marble2>  2  * * *
[08:35] <Marble2>  3  * *
[08:35] <Marble2> and so on
[08:35] <cnez0red> Marble2 that could be down to your dns.
[08:35] <Marble2> how can I fix that?
[08:35] <cnez0red> try $cat /etc/resolv.conf
[08:35] <BrettMeister> NotANick: As you can tell I'm used to another distro..Fc3
[08:35] <kyncani> BrettMeister: no, once instelled, boot will take you to the graphical login sccreen
[08:36] <Marble2> okay
[08:36] <Marble2> should I paste the output here?
[08:36] <BrettMeister> kyncani: okay.  Thanks for your help.
[08:36] <kyncani> Marble2: NO, #flood
[08:36] <Marble2> cnez0red: go to #flood
[08:36] <cnez0red> Marble2 I don't know how you fix it really. I know that if there's more than two addresses in your /etc/resolv.conf, the problem is _definitely_ at your end.
[08:37] <marcin_ant> munki: I got mpg321 working
[08:37] <Marble2> there's 3 nameserver lines
[08:37] <Marble2> and 1 search line
[08:37] <marcin_ant> munki: mpg321 -o alsa file.mp3 works nice
[08:37] <kyncani> Marble2: It's fine
[08:37] <cnez0red> Marble2 I don't think they're should be. What kind of connection do u have?
[08:37] <Marble2> cable
[08:37] <Marble2> from roadrunner
[08:37] <cmonopoly72> Hello everyone.
[08:37] <Marble2> kyncani: what's fine?
[08:37] <Marble2> my resolv.conf?
[08:38] <cnez0red> Well I'm on dialup, and I know for a fact that if there's more than two dns lines in my /etc/resolv.conf, I'm going to have difficulties resolving addresses.
[08:38] <Marble2> mmmk
[08:39] <cnez0red> Usually what I do if that happens, is disconnect, type $sudo echo "" > /etc/resolv.conf
[08:39] <cnez0red> and then reconnect.
[08:39] <Marble2> kyncani, you have any ideas?
[08:40] <LycoN> I have linux installed on my primary harddrive.  i have windows xp installed on my secondary harddrive.  grub gives me error 21 and wont load windows on secondary harddrive.  Help?
[08:40] <nicedreams> May I make a request for the Ubuntu team to put support for 'freevo' in the repositories?
[08:40] <kyncani> cnez0red, Marble2: i think there are two nameservers, a primary and a secondary one
[08:40] <kyncani> Marble2: man resolv.conf for details
[08:40] <LycoN> where is GRUB.CONF?
[08:40] <Marble2> LycoN: /etc
[08:40] <cmonopoly72> I hope I'm not interrupting anyone but, did I have to forward port 6667 to be able to connect to IRC?
[08:40] <goldfish> cmonopoly72: nope
[08:41] <cmonopoly72> Thanks goldfish.
[08:41] <goldfish> cmonopoly72: if u want to run an irc server to the outside u have to
[08:41] <cmonopoly72> I see.
[08:41] <forsaker> hi guys
[08:41] <goldfish> hi forsaker
[08:42] <LycoN> I dont have grub.conf
[08:42] <kyncani> LycoN: type: locate grub.conf
[08:42] <RRubin> hrm
[08:42] <RRubin> my rhythmbox cant play mp3 files
[08:42] <cmonopoly72> Well, thanks, I have to go fix that : ). I'll come back another time.
[08:42] <RRubin> says there is no plugin?
[08:42] <zenrox> LycoN,  its in /boot/grub/
[08:42] <cnez0red> Marble2 best  advice I can give u is try  disconnecting, type $sudo echo "" > /etc/resolv.conf , the reconnecting and see if that clears things up. But then again, I'm a lamer. Sorry. :(
[08:42] <LycoN> no mine is in /usr/balla
[08:43] <Marble2> okay
[08:43] <nickrud> cnez0red: that should work for most cases
[08:44] <cnez0red> nickrud hey I don't understand this stuff. I'm giving advice soully based on bitter experience.
[08:44] <blueyed> I have an old SB Live card and would like to use the rear output for my headphones, but I cannot get it to work. KMix has a "Headphone" slider control, but I cannot (un)mute it.. ideas?
[08:44] <crimsun> blueyed: use alsamixer to unmute the surround mixer element
[08:44] <nickrud> cnez0red: :)
[08:44] <LycoN> so how can i get grub to see windowsxp on my second harddrive
[08:46] <forsaker> i think you have to add an entry in your menu.lst file LycoN
[08:46] <RRubin> how do i get rhythmbox to play mp3 files? need a package?
[08:46] <cikilin> how i burn with k3b an iso image on cd?
[08:46] <crimsun> RRubin: gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[08:46] <crimsun> RRubin: see wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <blueyed> crimsun, awesome.. it's "wave surround".. only on the right side for now though. Thanks!
[08:47] <LycoN> ok just how do i reconfigure grub
[08:47] <LycoN> terminal command?
[08:47] <cikilin> helloooooooooo
[08:47] <nickrud> LycoN: add the grub stanza at http://pastebin.com/272478 to the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:47] <forsaker> LycoN: sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:48] <nickrud> the last option when you boot up again will give you back xp :)
[08:48] <LycoN> it better :)
[08:48] <cikilin> is anybody using k3b?
[08:48] <nickrud> LycoN: Works for Me ;)
[08:48] <forsaker> you have to properly check that the root voice is correct
[08:48] <kingsley> Has anyone here tried an HP Color Laserjet 2550 printer?
[08:49] <forsaker> LycoN: you said win is on you second hd
[08:49] <forsaker> right?
[08:49] <LycoN> so i have to add only title root ans savedefault and chainloader
[08:49] <LycoN> yes
[08:49] <LycoN> i will change that
[08:49] <LycoN> hd1
[08:49] <forsaker> yes
[08:49] <nickrud> forsaker: thanks for the catch.
[08:49] <cikilin> how i burn with k3b an iso image on cd?
[08:49] <cikilin> is anybody using k3b?
[08:49] <forsaker> nickrud: ;)
[08:50] <RRubin> crimsun: hrm. today i learn that 'deb' must not have a space in front of it in sources.list :) thx
[08:51] <beggar> cikilin, go to tools->CD->Burn CD image
[08:52] <beggar> than choose the image file
[08:52] <cikilin> i want it iso
[08:52] <blueyed> crimsun, it works. Had to slide "EMU10K1 PCM Send Routing" up.
[08:52] <crimsun> blueyed: good.
[08:52] <blueyed> crimsun, what are the Headphone settings for (LFE 1, 1, Center 1)?
[08:52] <beggar> cikilin, choose ISO9660 Image Files
[08:52] <crimsun> blueyed: headphones? Don't know offhand.
[08:53] <crimsun> RRubin: actually a space doesn't matter.
[08:53] <cikilin> i am doing
[08:53] <RRubin> crimsun: universe packages wernt showing up untill i removed it..
[08:53] <crimsun> RRubin: mine have leading spaces
[08:54] <beggar> but cikilin, k3b auto detects the image file type
[08:54] <RRubin> hm
[08:54] <RRubin> i didnt change anything else
[08:54] <RRubin> maybe it was a tab?
[08:54] <kippi1> has anyone installed sendmail?
[08:55] <crimsun> kippi1: postfix doesn't cut it?
[08:55] <cikilin> k beggar
[08:55] <dataw0lf> hello gents.
[08:55] <kippi1> crimsun: always used sendmail and its what we use at work so would like to see if i can get it working at home
[08:55] <forsaker> mm guys: just wondering about apt.. is there any way to search 4 packages through consol. Something like #apt-get search... or whatever...
[08:56] <topyli> dataw0lf: hello
[08:56] <crimsun> forsaker: apt-cache search <search keywords>
[08:56] <iceman007> apt-cache search *
[08:56] <nickrud> forsaker: apt-cache search
[08:56] <forsaker> wow splendid :D
[08:56] <dataw0lf> sup topyli
[08:56] <forsaker> thank you ;)
[08:56] <kippi1> crimsun: or would you recomend postfix?
[08:57] <LycoN> I'm Back... :/
[08:57] <forsaker> mmm
[08:57] <LycoN> it gave me error 21 does not exsist
[08:57] <LycoN> in my bios i cant change my secdondary drive to say harddrive
[08:57] <LycoN> it says cdrom reader
[08:58] <LycoN> i just want to use lilo
[08:58] <LycoN> i heard that works
[08:58] <LycoN> how do i get it
[08:58] <forsaker> nooo use grub: it rocks!
[08:58] <LycoN> well it doesnt work
[08:58] <LycoN> it does not recognize my sec harddrive
[08:58] <LycoN> do u understand
[08:58] <LycoN> no fix
[08:59] <forsaker> yes you're right ;)
[08:59] <nickrud> LycoN: how about doing ls /dev/hd*
[08:59] <LycoN> doin wat?
[08:59] <nickrud> Make sure that hd1 is the right drive :)
[08:59] <LycoN> i kno it is
[08:59] <LycoN> if i want to use windows i have to switch cables around in my comp
[08:59] <nickrud> if it says cdrom, something fundamental is wrong
[09:00] <LycoN> yes its a dell ;/
[09:00] <dataw0lf> or you have a CD in your tray.
[09:00] <LycoN> no cd
[09:00] <jason> hello
[09:00] <dataw0lf> it's probably erroneously reading that you have a CD there.
[09:00] <LycoN> u might be right
[09:01] <forsaker> mmm... try $ ls /dev/hd* as nickrud said
[09:01] <jason> hoary i386 on howto get a wacom configured + apt-get wacom-kernel-sources - howto use em ????
[09:01] <LycoN> something fallof into my cdrom drive way back it
[09:01] <nickrud> LycoN maybe you should rewrite grub so that xp is always hd0
[09:02] <LycoN> well xp is on hd1
[09:02] <LycoN> not hd0
[09:02] <stevenj> is gftp the recommended FTP client?
[09:02] <forsaker> just a moment
[09:02] <nickrud> LycoN you mentioned moving cables ...
[09:02] <dave__> im having trouble playing my mp3's networked off my win box via xmms on ubuntu, any suggestions?
[09:02] <LycoN> yes
[09:02] <ubuntu> I just downloaded the Ubuntu Live CD, burned it and am now running it and all I can say is "WOW". It's also my first time ever using Linux believe it or not
[09:02] <forsaker> when you say
[09:03] <LycoN> it is really annoying switching cables around
[09:03] <LycoN> like my IDE cables
[09:03] <forsaker> hd1 you mean hd1 in grub's notation, right?
[09:03] <Shavnir> Okay, Shav vs. computer round two :)
[09:03] <nickrud> so when xp boots correctly, it's identified as hd0; the cables say so
[09:03] <LycoN> yes
[09:03] <Shavnir> lspci | grep Unknown returns no less than 15 lines.
[09:03] <forsaker> mm.. ok then
[09:04] <Shavnir> I think the first order of action is to download and install the nForce4 drivers though.
[09:04] <LycoN> ok wait
[09:04] <nickrud> Ok, leave it there, and tell grub what disk and partition ubuntu is. I always leave windows as hd0
[09:06] <senator32> I NEED HELP!!! I am trying to get my 802.11b card working. PCMCIA Siemens SS1021 version 1, has the Prism 2/2.5/3 chipset, ndiswrapper says that it will work with it but i cant find an .inf that will work CAN anyone HELP me
[09:06] <RRubin> senator32: read the list of cards on ndiswrappers website
[09:06] <njan> senator32, if it's prism2/2.5, you shouldn't have to use ndiswrapper.
[09:07] <senator32> really
[09:07] <dave__> im having trouble playing my mp3's networked off my win box via xmms on ubuntu, any suggestions?
[09:07] <senator32> how can i get it to work w/o ndiswrapper
[09:07] <senator32> i read the list and it was listed
[09:07] <dave__> also when i copy stuff onto my flash drive it appears on there but as soon as i take it off its gone
[09:07] <RRubin> dave__: <crimsun> RRubin: see wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <senator32> and it has the Prism 2/2,5/3 chipset
[09:07] <RRubin> dave__: ubuntu has no mp3 support out of the box
[09:07] <dave__> ta
[09:08] <RRubin> u gotta get it from another mirror
[09:08] <dave__> so how can i get it to work? i have xmms on it now
[09:08] <RRubin> see the wiki
[09:08] <njan> Siemens Speedstream  	802.11b  	1021  	PCMCIA  	Prism2/2.5/3
[09:08] <njan> 	Linux-wlan-ng
[09:08] <njan> (http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz)
[09:08] <senator32> i cant seem to configure the card to work at any rate, is there a module I need to modprobe
[09:08] <njan> yeah, you can definitely use it w/o ndiswrapper, senator32
[09:08] <forsaker> c u folk: goin' to dinner
[09:08] <RRubin> dave__: hrm xmms should work actually
[09:08] <senator32> k
[09:09] <senator32> i have installed linux-wlan-ng
[09:09] <njan> senator32, if you're using hoary, it should pick it up automatically
[09:09] <senator32> i am
[09:09] <senator32> hmmm
[09:09] <njan> senator32, I have a prism2/2.5 card right here which I've just shoved into the machine I'm typing this on (hoary), and it's picked it up straight away
[09:09] <dave__> yeh thats what i thought
[09:09] <senator32> weird
[09:09] <njan> senator32, paste me the output of "ifconfig -a |grep HWaddr"
[09:09] <RRubin> dave__: what exactly happens?
[09:09] <senator32> k
[09:09] <senator32> one sec
[09:10] <dave__> it dont play
[09:10] <dave__> xmms has just crashed
[09:10] <njan> senator32, preferably in private if it's >3 lines long
[09:10] <RRubin> dave__ u switched xmms to use esound outupt plugin?
[09:10] <dave__> just siezed up
[09:10] <dave__> nope
[09:10] <RRubin> try that
[09:10] <dave__> k cheers
[09:10] <senator32> its not
[09:10] <senator32> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:D0:59:31:21:93
[09:10] <senator32> thats it
[09:10] <senator32> the card is in and i have a constant link and power light
[09:11] <dave__> how can i kill the xmms thats runnign?
[09:11] <wezzer-_> killall -9 xmms
[09:11] <SkAnker> ...
[09:11] <dave__> cheerss
[09:11] <blahrus> anyone having issues with  blackdown's java build for amd64?
[09:12] <Mipfi> dave__:ps -ax look after the proccess id and kill it with kill proccessid
[09:12] <njan> senator32, => /msg
[09:12] <blueprism> is that apt-get key add
[09:12] <blueprism> thing nessary from the guide ?
[09:12] <blueprism> when adding new repos*
[09:12] <senator32> => /msg eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:D0:59:31:21:93
[09:12] <senator32> sry i dont use irc much
[09:12] <Amaranth> Hey, the clearlooks developer uses Ubuntu. :)
[09:13] <njan> senator32, no, I meant.. move to the /msg tab which should've opened.. and paste stuff in thre, for the sake of everyone else in #ubuntu ;)
[09:13] <dave__> arrr kool that works cheer rrubin
[09:13] <dave__> also when i copy stuff onto my flash drive it appears on there but as soon as i take it off its gone
[09:13] <Amaranth> Remenic: Hi.
[09:13] <RRubin> take it off?
[09:14] <Remenic> Amaranth: hi.
[09:14] <dave__> unplug it
[09:14] <dave__> usb pen drive
[09:14] <RRubin> oh. prolly write caching
[09:14] <Remenic> Amaranth: I still seeeeeeeeeeee you! >:)
[09:14] <dave__> how i fix it?
[09:14] <RRubin> no clue
[09:14] <dave__> doh
[09:14] <djm62> dave__: right-click on the icon and select unmount before removing
[09:14] <djm62> (from gnome)
[09:14] <blueprism> could someone explain what this apt-get add - is about ? .. it dosent seem to do anythin other than work with stdin
[09:15] <dave__> k ill try that
[09:15] <milez> hello
[09:15] <Remenic> when I go into hibernation mode, I get a black screen... it still hibernates and recovers from it, but I get no visual feedback AT ALL when it's hibernating or coming back from it
[09:15] <milez> is there a reason that apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade fetch no new packages in the last few days? i'm using hoary
[09:15] <jason> helo, any know how to configure a wacom tablet in hoary ?? works but i wanna tweak it
[09:15] <dave__> how do i get back from hibernate also?
[09:15] <djm62> milez: hoary has been released
[09:16] <Remenic> dave__: I just turn the machine back on, and then it'll resume automatically after loading the kernel
[09:16] <djm62> milez: only new packages new are security bugfixes
[09:16] <dave__> this is on a laptop and it stays switched on
[09:16] <milez> djm62, so how do i switch to the new 'unstable'?
[09:16] <milez> does it have a name? :)
[09:16] <djm62> milez: it's called breezy, and I'd give it a couple of weeks to get going...otherwise I think it's on the wiki
[09:17] <djp> any audacity users here? i am having trouble with recording a vocal track alongside anotherr audio track. the vocals sound slow and demonic!
[09:17] <milez> djm62, i see
[09:17] <Shavnir> Hey, what do USB drives appear as in /dev?
[09:17] <djm62> Shavnir: usually /dev/sdaX
[09:18] <dave__> kool the umount thing works will have to remember to do that
[09:18] <milez> djm62, is kubuntu development done in parallel or in the same trunk?
[09:18] <djm62> milez: couldn't tell you
[09:18] <Shavnir> djm62 : What's the filesystem usually used on them?  vfat?
[09:18] <djm62> Shavnir: yes
[09:18] <crimsun> milez: in parallel.
[09:19] <Shavnir> djm62 : Any other random flags I might be forgetting that would prevent this drive from mounting?
[09:19] <crimsun> milez: although yes, the packages are in the same tree.
[09:19] <djm62> Shavnir: it hasn't mounted automatically?
[09:19] <milez> crimsun, so basically i have to switch to breezy to live on the edge again?
[09:19] <crimsun> milez: yup.
[09:19] <crimsun> Shavnir: sudo modprobe sd_mod
[09:19] <milez> would you advise this action?
[09:19] <Shavnir> djm62 : Not that I can tell
[09:19] <milez> for my desktop laptop
[09:19] <crimsun> milez: no.
[09:20] <milez> uh huh
[09:20] <LycoN> how do i change my permission on my floppy so i can write to it?  sudo chown lycon /media/floppy0?
[09:20] <milez> thanks.
[09:20] <blahrus> crimsun: is it safe to switch to breezy yet?
[09:20] <crimsun> blahrus: see two seconds ago.
[09:20] <djm62> Shavnir: when you type "mount" it doesn't get mentioned?
[09:20] <Shavnir> djm62 : Nope
[09:20] <blueprism> crimsun you got any knowlegde of the ubuntuguide.org part about adding repositaries .. and at the last part where i have to add a key ???
[09:20] <crimsun> Shavnir: see one minute ago
[09:20] <blahrus> Cred: sweet deal
[09:20] <blahrus> aklsjdf;
[09:20] <n3> hello again
[09:20] <blahrus> crimsun: sweet deal
[09:20] <Shavnir> crimsun : Didn't say anything
[09:21] <crimsun> blueprism: I don't know anything about ubuntuguide, sorry. I wrote AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary on the wiki, though.
[09:21] <crimsun> Shavnir: good. You should be able to access your usb drive now.
[09:21] <Shavnir> crimsun : So its not mentioned in the mount, but the modprobe did something? o.o  I'm confused now.
[09:22] <BadWolf> hello... i'm trying to setup a dhcp server.. but if i want to start it.. i get the following message... No subnet declaration for <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>).
[09:22] <BadWolf> No subnet declaration for eth1 (<IP_ADDRESS>).
[09:22] <crimsun> Shavnir: it's a known issue for Breezy, should work for Warty and Hoary, though.
[09:22] <BadWolf> any idea?
[09:22] <Shavnir> crimsun : I'm in Hoary.
[09:23] <crimsun> Shavnir: then you're one of the few people for which it doesn't work (I'm also one).
[09:23] <Shavnir> crimsun : Alrighty then ^_^.  In the meantime I'll burn a CD to move these drivers.
[09:23] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone use gnomemeeting?
[09:24] <searcher`> has anyone here seen a hoary update in the last week?
[09:24] <searcher`> i've been checking apt for the last couple of days, but nothing yet
[09:24] <searcher`> seems kinda odd
[09:25] <djm62> searcher`: hoary is now stable...security bugfixes only
[09:25] <crimsun> searcher`: why is that odd? It's frozen.
[09:26] <searcher`> just wondering
[09:26] <searcher`> even warty would have updates now and then
[09:26] <eruin> if you want updates
[09:26] <crimsun> only security for Warty.
[09:26] <eruin> go breezy ;)
[09:26] <searcher`> wondering if my sources.list was allright
[09:26] <searcher`> neh
[09:26] <searcher`> i like stable
[09:26] <eruin> I am, and apart from aspell breakage, it's sweet :)
[09:26] <searcher`> i have the security line, so it should be allright
[09:26] <searcher`> :-)
[09:26] <crimsun> aspell breakage? What sort? Did you file a bug?
[09:27] <eruin> crimsun: yes
[09:27] <superted> does ubuntu work just as good on amd64 as on x86 ?
[09:27] <djm62> I'll go breezy when hoary is noticeably old (which might be when breezy goes gold)
[09:27] <eruin> crimsun: undefined symbols
[09:27] <danwolf> I am having some HAL problems
[09:27] <searcher`> djm62: i'll go to backports when it gets old
[09:27] <m0ngo> good evening... I've mounted a ntfs partition as root... how can I make it possible to read the mounted partition as normal user?
[09:27] <frank__> superted: I have had some problems with amd64
[09:27] <crimsun> backports are a BAD idea.
[09:28] <danwolf> It seems that when I login to gnome, occasionally I get an error Failed to initizlize HAL
[09:28] <searcher`> crimsun: why?
[09:28] <frank__> superted, but I still use it ;)
[09:28] <blahrus> frank__: your not the only one
[09:28] <danwolf> anyone have suggestions?
[09:28] <crimsun> searcher`: what happens when you try to dist-upgrade?
[09:28] <djm62> searcher`: and remember, predictable release cycle...the final weeks before breezy will probably be uneventful
[09:28] <eruin> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9728
[09:28] <blahrus> frank__: not all ununtu fault by anymeans
[09:28] <blueprism> crimsun hm i am looking at your aarticle on the wiki after i did the recv do i need the gpg --armor ?
[09:28] <eruin> "jumped onto a similar bug" more like :P
[09:28] <crimsun> searcher`: if you want new stuff that badly, you should be using the devel branch.
[09:29] <danwolf> I have an ASUS cdrw and a Pioneer DVDrom on the same IDE channel
[09:29] <danwolf> is that a bad thing?
[09:29] <crimsun> blueprism: you'd have to export it in armoured format, yes
[09:29] <frank__> blahrus: where should I post bugs about universe packages not working in amd64?
[09:29] <blueprism> crimsun but when i come to the sudo apt-key add -
[09:29] <blueprism> it just hangs and do nothing ?
[09:29] <searcher`> crimsun: when you dist-upgrade it all goes to hell when using backports
[09:29] <crimsun> frank__: launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[09:29] <superted> frank__: what kind of problems?
[09:29] <searcher`> crimsun: that's why i only use single packages
[09:30] <searcher`> say firefox with warty
[09:30] <searcher`> luckily, that's a non-issue now with hoary
[09:30] <blahrus> frank__: what packages?
[09:30] <danwolf> Is it possible to downgrade from Hoary to Warty?
[09:30] <crimsun> danwolf: possible? yes. Advisable? no.
[09:30] <danwolf> haha
[09:30] <searcher`> djm62: the release cycle is one of the things i really like about ubuntu
[09:31] <danwolf> crimsun: I can't find any way to fix my problem
[09:31] <djm62> searcher`: yeah...one of the few bad things about debian
[09:31] <crimsun> danwolf: what problem?
[09:31] <frank__> superted: its annoying to have to set up a chroot to play flash animations and alot of video files
[09:31] <danwolf> crimsun: so I figured it might be worth a try
[09:31] <frank__> blahrus: damn I already forgot the package I was thinking about
[09:31] <searcher`> only thing i noticed about hoary is that my cpu usage goes up to 100% when i copy something
[09:31] <crimsun> frank__: work is progressing on that. One of the Ubuntu developers is working on it.
[09:32] <searcher`> dma enabled and all
[09:32] <Shavnir> Egads
[09:32] <Shavnir> Why is it so hard to boot into a lower initlevel
[09:32] <crimsun> in fact, I believe his MSc thesis is going to be on biarch support.
[09:32] <djm62> :)
[09:32] <searcher`> although i think they just added another top option for I/O Wait
[09:32] <danwolf> crimsun: I get a failed to initialize hal error when I login to gnome
[09:32] <crimsun> danwolf: have you checked bugzilla?
[09:32] <frank__> crimsun: on what? easy chroot?
[09:32] <crimsun> Shavnir: err what?
[09:32] <danwolf> crimsun: it opnly happens occasionally, and sometimes my system will just freeze
[09:32] <tex_> anybody in here install mmplayer on Ubuntu
[09:33] <danwolf> crimsun: I have checked bugzilla, but I cannot find a matching problem
[09:33] <crimsun> frank__: no, biarch support. So you can play your precious Flash games on amd64.
[09:33] <Shavnir> crimsun : I need to get out of x.
[09:33] <frank__> frank: and for some reason dvdauthor segfaults all the time
[09:33] <danwolf> I have found a couple things on google that don't work
[09:33] <crimsun> Shavnir: runlevels have nothing to do with that. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:33] <frank__> crimsun: its not games I need its movie listing at theatre close by!
[09:33] <crimsun> Shavnir: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play runlevel games.
[09:34] <crimsun> tex_: yes
[09:34] <crimsun> frank__: what, walking is too difficult? ;p
[09:34] <danwolf> any ideaas crimsun ?
[09:34] <frank__> crimsun: damn right
[09:34] <Shavnir> crimsun : Do you know if a standard install of hoary has the kernel source installed?
[09:34] <crimsun> danwolf: not offhand, need more information.
[09:34] <elp> hi i have the following problem... http://rafb.net/paste/results/6jLZwQ20.html .. how to get my dhcpd to run?
[09:34] <crimsun> Shavnir: no.
[09:34] <danwolf> crimsun: I think it has something to do with my cdroms
[09:34] <crimsun> (it doesn't)
[09:34] <tex_> crimsun: how do you do it and get it to play dvds
[09:35] <crimsun> tex_: wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:35] <Shavnir> Oh god, catch 22.
[09:35] <tex_> crimsun: thanks
[09:35] <blueprism> crimsun argh well i did something wrong it seems :X anyway to reset this key thing
[09:35] <crimsun> Shavnir: why?
[09:36] <danwolf> crimsun: I have a Pioneer DVDrom and a Asus cdrw on the same ide channel and I have another ide channel with a hard drive with winxp on it, and a SARA drive with Ubuntu hoary
[09:36] <Shavnir> crimsun : I need to download a precompiled kernel interface to get my ethernet drivers
[09:36] <danwolf> crimsun: SARA = SATA
[09:36] <crimsun> Shavnir: err, what ethernet drivers?
[09:37] <danwolf> crimsun: it seems that the system only locks up when I am playing music
[09:37] <GhostFreeman> whats the package for JACK server
[09:37] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: jackd, in universe.
[09:37] <stuNNed> what package controls /etc/resolv.conf?  i can't get it to write the nameservers there each time i connect
[09:37] <kippi> is there away i can ping a ip and a port number?
[09:37] <Shavnir> crimsun : The one that lets me use the ethernet ports on my motherboard.
[09:37] <crimsun> stuNNed: there's no one package that does.
[09:37] <GhostFreeman> I dont know why but muse keeps telling me JACK server isnt running
[09:37] <crimsun> Shavnir: and your network chipset is...?
[09:38] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: pgrep jackd
[09:38] <Shavnir> crimsun : I'm borrowing a more standard network card for a sec
[09:38] <stuNNed> crimsun: i messed it up somehow is there a way to reset?  when i run dhclient it doesn't write the nameservers
[09:38] <Shavnir> crimsun : All I know off the top of my head is that its onboard powered by the nForce4 as far as I know
[09:38] <GhostFreeman> ok thanks
[09:38] <stuNNed> crimsun: i was helping troubleshoot the wireless network at school and installed pump and other junk
[09:38] <danwolf> crimsun: any help?
[09:39] <tex_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats   doesn't exist
[09:40] <ratius> helloe guys, i wanted to know, is there a way to change a package usable only by root so it can be usable by user too?
[09:40] <crimsun> Shavnir: you can use ndiswrapper if you have an .inf
[09:40] <crimsun> tex_: yes it does.
[09:40] <Pluk> tex_, it does here
[09:41] <mikeco>  it exists here in the twilight zone too
[09:41] <crimsun> danwolf: sorry, let me scroll up
[09:41] <mikeco> dun dun dun
[09:41] <danwolf> ok heh
[09:41] <stuNNed> crimsun: how to fix my /etc/resolv.conf so that it writes nameservers when using dhclint? :(
[09:41] <danwolf> how do I scroll up using irssi anyway?
[09:41] <crimsun> page-up
[09:41] <crimsun> pretty intuitive, eh?
[09:41] <danwolf> jesus
[09:41] <edc> ok in slackware to install a package the line is installpkg package.tgz , what's the command in ubuntu to install a .deb package?
[09:41] <danwolf> im an idiot
[09:41] <danwolf> thanks crimsun
[09:41] <Pluk> edc, dpkg -i package.deb
[09:41] <mikeco> haha
[09:42] <crimsun> stuNNed: you're not invoking dhclient manually, are you?
[09:42] <danwolf> now for my other problem ;)
[09:42] <mikeco> you left slackware too?
[09:42] <edc> Pluk, : thanks much
[09:42] <Pluk> yw
[09:42] <Shavnir> crimsun : I have a diffrent card in now.  Its got a NC100 in it now.
[09:42] <LycoN> When i typed sudo lilo i get this error: Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[09:42] <edc> slackware aint 64 bit
[09:42] <danwolf> tex_: that link works here too
[09:42] <mikeco> nope, it is not
[09:42] <crimsun> danwolf: we'd need to see dmesg and lspci -v output
[09:42] <edc> but it took me about 8 hrs of hacking @ ubuntu to get it to run
[09:42] <mikeco> i still have it installed, may boot it in vmware or whatnot
[09:42] <danwolf> crimsun: want me to pm it to ya?
[09:42] <edc> had to redo initrd and the kernel
[09:42] <edc> gonna submit a huge bug report soon as a make a fix
[09:42] <edc> lilo didnt install either
[09:42] <mikeco> mine worked well
[09:43] <crimsun> danwolf: it's better as a bug report on bugzilla, or use pastebin.com
[09:43] <stuNNed> crimsun: yes
[09:43] <cikilin> how i check that i am behind a router?
[09:43] <stuNNed> crimsun: i am invoking dhclient manually
[09:43] <edc> ok, also, how the hell do i get rid of this damn qui so it doesnt start by default, cat find the rc script for it
[09:43] <Jefis> can anyone tell me great audio editor
[09:43] <crimsun> stuNNed: err, why?
[09:43] <crimsun> stuNNed: the instance in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work?
[09:44] <mikeco> gui?
[09:44] <stuNNed> crimsun: what is that?
[09:44] <crimsun> Jefis: ecasound, audacity, ...
[09:44] <Shavnir> Okay, how do I set this bloody ethernet card up?
[09:44] <crimsun> stuNNed: that's the actual file.
[09:44] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok
[09:44] <LycoN> How can i disahle EVMS?
[09:44] <crimsun> Shavnir: do you have an .inf?
[09:44] <cikilin> how i check that i am behind a router?
[09:44] <Shavnir> crimsun : No, not handy.  It seems to have recognized this device though.
[09:45] <tex_> Ok, I'm totally new to this.. looks like I need xine first. How do I install it?
[09:45] <crimsun> cikilin: ip a show dev eth0|grep inet
[09:45] <tex_> "I just want to play a DVD
[09:45] <mikeco> apt-get install xine-iu
[09:45] <crimsun> tex_: enable marillat, install w32codecs, enable multiverse, install mplayer for your $arch
[09:46] <mikeco> you'll need that
[09:46] <mikeco> too
[09:46] <LycoN> Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'.  how do i fix that error
[09:46] <edc> ok aint gcc installed by default?
[09:46] <tex_> crimsun: - the restrictedformats wiki is saying xine will do this.. do I really need mplayer?
[09:47] <edc> mplayer is better than xine
[09:47] <crimsun> tex_: I thought you _wanted_ mplayer
[09:47] <tex_> crimsun: - well, I just want whatever will allow me to play a dvd. Someone told me mplayer, but the wiki refers to xine. Either is fine by me :)
[09:47] <edc> also win32 windows reverse engineered propriety codecs aint installed on most linux distrobutions so that copyrights aint violated
[09:47] <cikilin> crisum: so is a router?
[09:48] <cikilin> if i have that?
[09:48] <edc> tex_, : mplayer is better.. trust me its worth the hassle
[09:48] <LycoN> is it safe to disable EVMS?
[09:48] <crimsun> cikilin: if you have what?
[09:48] <blueprism> crimsun hehe doh i figured it out now it all works sorry for the bothering
[09:48] <tex_> ok so.. apt-get install mplayer then?
[09:48] <cikilin> eth0
[09:48] <LycoN> tex
[09:48] <Jefis> there is mplayer??????
[09:49] <LycoN> www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:49] <LycoN> follow step by step
[09:49] <LycoN> so easy
[09:49] <cikilin> crisum:how i check?
[09:49] <linuxbcn> hi all
[09:49] <crimsun> cikilin: I gave you a command to run, remember? :)
[09:50] <danwolf> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[09:50] <cikilin> aha
[09:50] <danwolf> crimsun: can you read that?
[09:50] <cikilin> i type that
[09:50] <Shavnir> Okay, so since my onboard LAN dosen't seem to want to work I've resorted to a terciary ethernet card.  Its an amazingly standard chipset, and I think Ubuntu recognized it.  What next?
[09:50] <crimsun> danwolf: looking
[09:50] <cikilin> crisum: and now?
[09:51] <edc> am so gonna screw this system up
[09:51] <danwolf> crimsun: thanks
[09:51] <edc> dpkg -i -R muhahahhaha
[09:51] <cikilin> crisum:inet <IP_ADDRESS>/16 brd <IP_ADDRESS> scope global eth0
[09:51] <cikilin>     inet6 fe80::250:22ff:fee5:2f62/64 scope link
[09:51] <edc> ok but why aint development software included? i want to make a kernel and no ncurses no gcc installed by default?
[09:51] <cwarner> do all releases of ubuntu come with the mic volume turned down?
[09:51] <cusco> cikilin: your ip belongs to a internal network
[09:51] <cusco> might or not be a router
[09:52] <fazer> hmm...so all is well
[09:52] <LycoN> HOW to you disable EVMS... Please Help
[09:52] <edc> Shavnir, : ifconfig eth0 up <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:52] <cikilin> k
[09:52] <Shavnir> edc : Worked with a sudo
[09:52] <edc> route add default gw ppp <-- might be very wrong
[09:53] <crimsun> danwolf: your hdd gave some errors
[09:53] <edc> am so so gonna submit around 10mb of bug reports by teusday
[09:53] <danwolf> yeah
[09:53] <danwolf> crimsun: I see tha
[09:53] <tex_> LycoN: - ok, guide is telling me to comment-out the marillat repositories.. thought I needed that for encrypted dvd playback?
[09:53] <crimsun> danwolf: disconnect hdd and see if you can reproduce the symptoms
[09:53] <cusco> cikilin: try to go on http://<IP_ADDRESS> (or whatever default gateway your ip is) if yoi get a webpage asking password then it should be a router
[09:53] <Shavnir> edc : What next?
[09:53] <lsuactiafner> ping something
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> why did you want the eth0 up to start with?
[09:54] <cikilin> cusco: it sais that refused
[09:54] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: Ubuntu is a _desktop_ distro. We don't install development tools by default in a desktop environment.
[09:54] <Shavnir> ?.?
[09:54] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: if you want them, install build-essential and go from there.
[09:54] <cikilin> cusco:The connection was refused when attempting to contact <IP_ADDRESS>.
[09:54] <danwolf> crimsun: I have tried that, and it works kinda, but then my computer locks up more often, and I need to fix the DVD player, not just take it out
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> crimsun, : so there is like no way ppl can compile programs easily without resorting to hacking tactics..
[09:55] <cusco> cikilin: put the ip of your default gateway instead
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> Shavnir, : ping google.co.za
[09:55] <mikeco> uh
[09:55] <crimsun> danwolf: does the dvd drive work in $anotherOS?
[09:55] <mikeco> yeah, you can compile things by installing the dev tools
[09:55] <danwolf> yes, windows
[09:55] <Shavnir> lsuactiafner : ping to google.com gave me "unknown host: google.com"
[09:55] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: not "hacking tactics". It's clearly outlined.
[09:55] <danwolf> crimsun: yes windows
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> crimsun, : there should be an option under expert install to install development software
[09:55] <cikilin> cusco is verry dif. to me :i am a beginer
[09:55] <mikeco> or just install them yourself
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> crimsun, : well i installed using expert mode and nowhere was an option telling me gcc wont be installed...
[09:56] <cwarner> lsuactiafner, whats so hard with installing it yourself?
[09:56] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: file a bug then, but keep in mind that if you're in need of them, you probably know where to ask to find out how to install build-essential
[09:56] <lsuactiafner> ok tell me about build-essential, since i just did cd main/pool/ and dpkg -i -R
[09:57] <crimsun> oh. my. god.
[09:57] <tevaum> hup!
[09:57] <lsuactiafner> that might have been the wrong move..
[09:57] <mikeco> uh
[09:57] <mikeco> apt-get install build-essential.
[09:57] <mikeco> my dog could do it, i think
[09:57] <cwarner> I just used synaptic to install gcc
[09:57] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: yeah, don't dpkg -i -R
[09:57] <cwarner> it worked fine
[09:57] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: use Synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, or dselect to install build-essential
[09:58] <pepsi> cd /etc
[09:58] <lsuactiafner> mikeco, : i use slackware, would be logical if someone used debian
[09:58] <nickrud> I'm trying to help someone get his xp and ubuntu installs booting together, but he has some evms stuff running.
[09:58] <nickrud> I know nothing about that, can someone help
[09:58] <cusco> cikilin: type: route
[09:58] <cikilin> k
[09:58] <danwolf> any more ideas crimsun ?
[09:58] <mikeco> i use slackware
[09:58] <Shavnir> So, uh, my ethernet card can't find google.com.  This is a problem.
[09:59] <slask3n> what is bonobo-activation-server?
[09:59] <crimsun> nickrud: is the evms structure disrupting something?
[09:59] <cwarner> heh
[09:59] <cikilin> done
[09:59] <mikeco> i have since the about oh, 1994
[09:59] <crimsun> Shavnir: is it configured correctly?
[09:59] <cusco> cikilin: the default gateway ip
[09:59] <jazon> hi - I am getting a strange error - I thought I had it figured out, but then I got this.  My problem is that I have no TV-output - it is scrambled.  I know now that it is because it set to PAL, but I can't change it.  I go to ATI control in KDE and I get the following error:
[09:59] <nickrud> haven't a clue, I've never used it, so I don't know where to begin
[09:59] <Shavnir> crimsun : How in god's name am I supposed to figure that out :P
[09:59] <cusco> cikilin: what is it?
[09:59] <crimsun> danwolf: no, but fill out some more info for that bug report.
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> route -n
[09:59] <cikilin> is a *
[09:59] <cusco> cikilin: and under it
[09:59] <danwolf> more info?
[09:59] <cusco> what is there
[09:59] <crimsun> nickrud: then don't worry about it.
[09:59] <danwolf> crimsun: more info
[09:59] <crimsun> nickrud: if it works, leave it alone.
[10:00] <cikilin> <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:00] <jazon> Fire GL Control.  Driver does not provide the FireGL X11 extensions! Panel components will operate only partially.
[10:00] <cusco> on the default line
[10:00] <cwarner> jazon, thats a driver issue you need to find the appropriate documentation for ati
[10:00] <cwarner> jazon, s/for/from ati
[10:00] <crimsun> Shavnir: dmesg|grep eth0
[10:00] <danwolf> crimsun: what info?
[10:00] <jazon> cwarner, what is s/for/from ati
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS> eth1 | ok make the ip:<IP_ADDRESS> into the ip of the machine connected to the lan
[10:00] <tex_> Ok, the guide isn't working.. apt-get install mplayer-386 dies without installing anything.
[10:01] <Shavnir> crimsun : eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01458:e000 bound to 0000:00:0a.0
[10:01] <cikilin> cusco:and now?
[10:01] <cusco> cikilin: just put that ip on the web browser... if it asks password chances are that you have a router
[10:01] <crimsun> danwolf: describe your problem, what it does properly in Windows, what it doesn't do in Ubuntu, etc.
[10:01] <Shavnir> crimsun : eth0: no link during initilization
[10:01] <cwarner> jazon, you need to find the appropriate documentation from ati on how their binary driver works and what the appropriate config options would be for x11
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> edit /etc/resolv.conf with     nameserver ip_of_pc_conencted_to_net
[10:01] <crimsun> danwolf: in other words, make it easy for us to help you :)
[10:01] <tex_> also, my sources.list doesn't have the lines mentioned in the guide.
[10:01] <jazon> what is x11 ?
[10:01] <LycoN> tex
[10:01] <crimsun> Shavnir: ...so is a cat5e plugged in?
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> also type ifconfig eth0 to check if eth0 is up
[10:01] <Shavnir> crimsun : Yes, lights a-blinkin'.
[10:01] <LycoN> tex: click on extra repositories
[10:01] <tex_> LycoN: ?
[10:01] <cwarner> sigh.. heh
[10:02] <slask3n> what is bonobo-activation-server under processes in system monitor?
[10:02] <crimsun> Shavnir: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:02] <LycoN> tex:  then click on the sample
[10:02] <cikilin> cusco is opening a link
[10:02] <Shavnir> crimsun : Well, I guess my linux telepathy was a bi toff.  I'll go look in there now
[10:02] <LycoN> tex: make that ur sources.lst
[10:02] <danwolf> crimsun: well, I don't know what other infor you might need
[10:02] <crimsun> danwolf: I just told you...
[10:02] <cusco> cikilin: well you have a router then.. wasn't that what you wanted to know?
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> omg i screwed this pc up rofl
[10:02] <danwolf> crimsun: you did?
[10:02] <cikilin> k
[10:02] <crimsun> danwolf: remember, this is a bug report, so it needs to be as detailed as possible.
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> am so so gonna have to start over
[10:03] <crimsun> danwolf: see 2 minutes ago
[10:03] <danwolf> oh I see
[10:03] <cwarner> jazon, https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[10:04] <Shavnir> crimsun : That file only has two lines, both comments if I'm guesing that's what the # before them means
[10:04] <IRCMark> hi, I need help. Can someone tell me what "acpi=off apm=off" means? what happens if i write acpi=on? and what happens if I write apm=on? what do you suggest me yo do? I hve  laptop and I want to improve the battery time...
[10:04] <cikilin> 10x cusco
[10:04] <crimsun> Shavnir: then you need both lo and eth0 blocks
[10:04] <crimsun> Shavnir: join #flood
[10:04] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : in your experience, do you think the system will be fscked by dpkg -i -R ?
[10:04] <lsuactiafner> or should it still happily run afterwards?
[10:04] <Shavnir> crimsun : Alrighty, I'm there