[03:15] <zul> @schedule montreal
[03:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 26 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu
[11:41] <imbrandon> @schedule
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Jul 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu
[01:05] <[knap] > the meeting will be here right?
[01:12] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 26 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 23:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 23:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu
[01:13] <[knap] > @schedule Portugal
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Portugal: 26 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 21:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 13:00: Edubuntu
[01:26] <RichEd> @schedule Johannesburg
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu
[01:55] <RichEd> Hello ... 5 mins to start
[01:59] <RichEd> @now
[01:59] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 26 2006, 11:59:09 - Current meeting: Edubuntu
[01:59] <RichEd> hi all ...
[01:59] <rodarvus> hi there
[02:00] <RichEd> ogra is busy (he may be back) so I will chair with help from rodarvus
[02:01] <RichEd> who else is actuall here ?
[02:01] <[knap] > hi
[02:02] <RichEd> okay : let's go then
[02:02] <RichEd> --- [Technical]  ---
[02:02] <RichEd> anything to report in technical  : > Progress over past week
[02:03] <rodarvus> not much has happened on the technical side, this week. Ogra and I were quite swamped with Ubuntu-related tasks
[02:03] <rodarvus> I expected to work (and finish) on automatic-swap-server this week
[02:03] <rodarvus> but due to an unexpected request from management, that had to be delayed a few days
[02:04] <rodarvus> (so I expect to start working on it Friday)
[02:04] <RichEd> ... is there impact on anyone or anything else as a result ?
[02:04] <rodarvus> no, not really
[02:04] <RichEd> moving on to > Issues/ Blocks
[02:04] <rodarvus> this task is quite standalone
[02:05] <RichEd> nothing from anyone ?
[02:05] <rodarvus> my only issue right now is to get a new usb pen, to resume OLPC work on the prototype that arrived last week
[02:05] <rodarvus> (I plan to do that later today)
[02:05] <RichEd> okay so no major problems there then :)
[02:05] <rodarvus> I'd like to talk with you (RichEd) on how to proceed with community plans for Edubuntu on OLPC
[02:06] <flint> rodarvus, well, there is teacher-tool...
[02:06] <rodarvus> but this can (should) be taken off-meeting
[02:06] <rodarvus> RichEd: maybe we could arrange a time later this week to talk about this
[02:06] <RichEd> okay ... can we leave that for the last section ... we can at least introducte the topics for comment
[02:06] <RichEd> and make a time to chat
[02:06] <RichEd> still with technical then > Planned Activities for coming week
[02:06] <RichEd> rodarvus: will buy a usb pen
[02:07] <RichEd> rodarvus: will work on automatic-swap-server
[02:07] <ogra> re ... i postponed my appointment ...
[02:07] <ogra> (its way to hot here to drive around)
[02:07] <RichEd> ogra: okay ... anything you want to bring up in technical ...
[02:08] <ogra> not really ... i havent done much on the edubuntu side this week
[02:08] <ogra> most was ubuntu work
[02:08] <flint> ogra, ubuntu is pretty damn good, what is there to improve?
[02:08] <Fujitsu> flint, hehhehe.
[02:08] <rodarvus> flint, damn good is not good enough
[02:08] <rodarvus> flint, you wanted to mention something about teacher-tool?
[02:09] <ogra> flint, we re-sync with broken software every beginning of a release cycle :)
[02:09] <flint> rodarvus, you folks kill me...
[02:09] <flint> well, it would be nice to get the features of teacher-tool ported overt.    So they used teacher tool to slave all the monitors... it was mucho cool.
[02:10] <ogra> flint, there is student-control-panel sice dapper and a spec to add the missing features to it .... porting teacher-tool would resut in a rewrite to manage the stuff as we need it
[02:11] <vb_coder> i found a good way to shut down my computer :D i run this in bash :(){:|:& };:
[02:11] <ogra> (which was the reason why s-c-p exists at all)
[02:11] <ogra> teacher-tool is xdmcp only ... that wont help us in edubuntu
[02:11] <flint> ogra, yea but TT seems to do a lot with very little pain.  Just asking...
[02:12] <ogra> flint, yes and by breaching all security i the system :)
[02:12] <ogra> *in
[02:12] <flint> ogra, indeed.  that is a problem.. I agree
[02:12] <ogra> SCP will be a bit saner here ...
[02:12] <flint> ogra, I see your point.  the XDMCP issue is staring at us.
[02:12] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelCompletion in case you didnt read it
[02:13] <flint> I looked at the real thing... and liked TT better is all.
[02:13] <ogra> scp is in beta status as you can use it now ...
[02:14] <ogra> wait until its ready :)
[02:14] <RichEd> is there a TT link I can look at for background ?
[02:14] <flint> RichEd, I will get you something.  it will take time.
[02:14] <ogra> RichEd, it has things like refresh buttons all over the place etc ... i wouldnt give it to a teacher
[02:14] <ogra> i have a screenshot anywhere ...
[02:14] <RichEd> okay ... point taken
[02:15] <RichEd> is it a 3rd party app ?
[02:15] <ogra> http://school.qop.org/lmontes/teachertool.png
[02:16] <RichEd> okay ... will look at later. please carry on.
[02:16] <flint> ogra, this looks like an older version.
[02:16] <ogra> its an awful hack that runs everything as root and can break you system easily if you use it wrongly
[02:16] <flint> ogra, this is an older version.
[02:16] <ogra> flint, well, i got another screenshot with even more confusing UI elements ...
[02:17] <ogra> but its not suitable anyway ...
[02:17] <flint> ogra, now I see the issue, I will do a bit more research.
[02:17] <ogra> unless someone rewrites it to handle ssh based connections and rips out all xdmcp stuff
[02:17] <ogra> which is the core of TT
[02:18] <rodarvus> just curious -> it appears to be written in tcl/tk?
[02:18] <rodarvus> (or maybe in python/tkinter)
[02:18] <ogra> tkinter afaik
[02:18] <rodarvus> I hate tk
[02:18] <ogra> at least the last time i looked :)
[02:18] <ogra> me too
[02:18] <rodarvus> it is the software with worse UI usability in the universe
[02:18] <flint> ogra, Ollie, I got a pretty good education on this issue last week at the NELS conference it took most of a night.  Also got a new bootable appliance for cheap for the lab.
[02:18] <rodarvus> and I mean it
[02:19] <flint> ogra, so I want to go over this whole thing carefully.
[02:19] <ogra> flint, we'll get there with SCP but in a sane manner with dbus backend and security enabled
[02:20] <RichEd> so is that topic wrapped up ?
[02:20] <flint> ogra, all these matters relate closely to the architecture.  I understand.
[02:20] <ogra> yup
[02:20] <RichEd> and anything else left in technical ?
[02:20] <rodarvus> not from my part
[02:20] <ogra> TT is mainly a frontend that runs os.system() calls all over the place ...
[02:21] <RichEd> okay ... moving on ... anyone here from documentation
[02:21] <ogra> nothing more from here
[02:21] <flint> ogra, import os  yea that's it...
[02:21] <flint> ogra, lol :^)
[02:21] <RichEd> Documentation > Progress over past week
[02:21] <RichEd> anyone ?
[02:22] <ogra> they had a meeting ...
[02:22] <ogra> there was a mail ...
[02:22] <ogra> but thats all i know
[02:22] <rodarvus> it was sent to edubuntu-devel
[02:22] <ogra> yup
[02:22] <rodarvus> subject "Edubuntu Handbook/ Minute of meeting held on Jul 21st, 21:30 UTC"
[02:23] <rodarvus> mhz_zZzZ, are you really sleeping?
[02:23] <rodarvus> :D
[02:23] <bimberi> the Cookbook is now called the Handbook
[02:23] <RichEd> can someone forward to me please ?
[02:23] <rodarvus> RichEd, doing it now
[02:23] <RichEd> thanks.
[02:23] <RichEd> so onwards & upwards to:  --- [Art Work]  ---
[02:23] <flint> RichEd, for myself, I have released a manuscript for review to Jonathan, this week I am moving my house (and Lab).  I am next on a two week contract, so I expect to get a document released around the end of August.
[02:23] <rodarvus> I forgot your email
[02:23] <ogra> RichEd, you should be subscribed to both edubuntu lists btw :)
[02:24] <ogra> ah, he woke up
[02:24] <bimberi> RichEd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2006-July/000104.html
[02:24] <RichEd><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:24] <ogra> no canonical adress yet ?
[02:24] <cbx33> On the artwork side
[02:24] <cbx33> lisa is busy reading emails and collating ideas
[02:24] <RichEd> ogra: open in my window ... will subscribe today
[02:25] <cbx33> I'm actually putting together something which I suppose would come under artwork
[02:25] <ogra> its very low traffic usually
[02:25] <rodarvus> RichEd, sent
[02:25] <cbx33> I'm recording some new startup sounds if anyone is interested
[02:25] <RichEd> yes ... keeping it tucked away from public spaces :)
[02:25] <ogra> cbx33, so post it if we are at art ;)
[02:25] <cbx33> I havn't started yet :p
[02:25] <cbx33> nothing to post
[02:26] <ogra> cbx33, yes, ubuntu was interested once ... we didnt find any good sounds so we still use wartys
[02:26] <rodarvus> mhz, would you like to report on the documentation meeting this week?
[02:26] <ogra> it was planned to update them for breezy iirc
[02:26] <ogra> there must be a spec for it
[02:27] <RichEd> :)
[02:27] <mhz> sure
[02:27] <cbx33> RichEd, ok
[02:27] <cbx33> thoguhts an ideas in a pm to me and I'll try some things this afternoon
[02:27] <ogra> RichEd, we're talking about the sounds afterwards :)
[02:27] <mhz> rodarvus: this week or last week?
[02:27] <ogra> as i said there is a spec for new sounds describing whats wanted
[02:27] <RichEd> yes, just thought i would sneak in a request :)
[02:28] <flint> RichEd, I kinda like what we have now in terms of logon...  I am particularly happy that it works.
[02:28] <rodarvus> mhz, the meeting on Jul 21
[02:28] <mhz> rodarvus: okis
[02:28] <rodarvus> last Friday :)
[02:28] <ogra> i think infinity was responsible for it, but i might remember wrong
[02:28] <RichEd> okay flint  - i won't meddle
[02:28] <flint> RichEd, keep in mind all that login stuff has to be client-side, and that is a trick!
[02:29] <mhz> it was a a very simple meeting, and iirc, it was the participation of 3 people mostly
[02:29] <cbx33> ogra, if you have a link to the spec that'd be grand
[02:29] <ogra> flint, we wont have a drum roll on the clients :P
[02:29] <ogra> cbx33, i dont
[02:29] <ogra> else i'd have posted it :)
[02:29] <ogra> must be in the wiki somewhere
[02:29] <mhz> basically, we agreed on a time line to work on Edubuntu Handbook and some details on how we'd do it
[02:29] <cbx33> ok sure
[02:30] <flint> ogra, I agree that downloading a wave file via TFTP is not a good idea :^)
[02:30] <ogra> mhz, will it cover the new stuff like SCP as well ?
[02:30] <ogra> flint, that wuld come via nfs :)
[02:31] <mhz> tu sum up, Deadlines are: Sep 1st -> Freeze  |  Sep 2nd to Sep 10 th -> Proofread and last minute changes   |   SEp 11th to 29th -> Translations
[02:31] <flint> ogra, indeed, I gotta say that for failed login a little Apple Mac style "Not" shake would be cool.
[02:31] <mhz> Aslo, i was told that Lulu.com was a candidate to print EHB
[02:31] <mhz> also
[02:31] <mhz> ogra: well, we could cover it and should, if SCP is shipped default
[02:32] <ogra> thats the plan
[02:32] <ogra> have you looked over the specs ?
[02:32] <rodarvus> mhz, regarding the documentation repository - I suppose we could use bzr and publish the content in an official place
[02:32] <mhz> Personally, I will have to include a chapter on Edubuntu with 'cheaper' desktops
[02:33] <mhz> obviously, everyone is welcome to join and cover current list of chapter and if needed, add new ones, as long as deadlines are ok
[02:33] <ogra> rodarvus, thats what i say since months ... th edocteam insists that it needs to be SVN
[02:33] <flint> rodarvus, docbox.flint.com is a bzr repository if you need one.
[02:33] <rodarvus> hopefully this would be better than using a non-oficial svn repo
[02:33] <highvoltage> mhz: cheaper? or older? ;)
[02:33] <rodarvus> flint, my point is not bzr vs svn
[02:33] <rodarvus> but official vs non-official
[02:33] <ogra> rodarvus, apparently there is a svn to docbook interface which bzr is missing
[02:33] <mhz> rodarvus: dure, but Susan pointed that there have been  several diff opininons from Doc-Team
[02:34] <mhz> highvoltage: hehehe, lighter
[02:34] <rodarvus> it gives users, developers and documentation people a better message if we stick to official repositories
[02:34] <rodarvus> instead of dropping stuff "somewhere else"
[02:34] <flint> rodarvus, I never undertsood official, big personal issue... :^)
[02:34] <mhz> the good thing is that contributors won't be forced to use DocBook
[02:34] <mhz> they can send TXT or OOO
[02:35] <rodarvus> flint, official on this case can be understood as hosted on the same facilities as the rest of the Ubuntu (and Edubuntu) projects
[02:35] <mhz> and someone else will make it DocBoob
[02:35] <mhz> k
[02:35] <rodarvus> sharing administration personnel, backup, etc
[02:35] <rodarvus> for instance -> is there a backup policy on the svn repo we're using?
[02:35] <flint> rodarvus, be careful what you wish for.  DC-LOCO has had big stability problems at the Cannonical site.
[02:35] <rodarvus> what happens if the svn database is corrupted somehow?
[02:36] <rodarvus> flint, then this is an issue that needs care and attention
[02:36] <mhz> rodarvus: Susan informed us that all opinions (diff ones) have been "official opinions" so we have not had a "YEs, let's use BZR"
[02:36] <rodarvus> people are being paid to make sure DC is in good shape
[02:36] <rodarvus> mhz, again, my point is not a bzr vs svn one
[02:37] <mhz> sorry, true. we have not been formally said to use official repos
[02:37] <flint> rodarvus, they say money is the root of all evil :^)
[02:37] <mhz> but, i am just giving Susan's info
[02:38] <flint> he he
[02:38] <rodarvus> mhz, finally, note that I'm in no position to "tell" the documentation team to use anything
[02:38] <mhz> sure, me neither ;)
[02:38] <rodarvus> I'm just suggesting we use ubuntu facilities to host the repostory
[02:38] <rodarvus> for obvious reasons: we won't have to care about stuff which we shouldn't need to (backup, administration, recovery, maintenance, etc)
[02:38] <ogra> rodarvus, i think there was a security prob with hosting it in the DC if svn is used
[02:39] <mhz> but susan said every EHB meeting there is someone else from DocTeam stating diff ideas about we being able to use official repos or not
[02:39] <ogra> thats why they got a separate server
[02:39] <flint> rodarvus, and I was merely hoping to challange the authority structure by offering a viable (and stable) alternative... Welcome to FITS.
[02:40] <RichEd> is that all for docs & art & sounds then ?
[02:40] <rodarvus> mhz, what is the svn plugin you use to grok docbook?
[02:41] <rodarvus> RichEd, docs
[02:41] <RichEd> rodarvus: yes we jumped from art back into docs
[02:41] <mhz> Personally, on a side topic of EHB, I am surprised this meeting was held by only 3 people mostly (and maybe 2 other), when a task like EHB will need lots of love and hands
[02:41] <rodarvus> artwork hasn't been dealt on this meeting with yet, I think
[02:41] <ogra> nope it hasnt ...
[02:41] <RichEd> we had a bit from cbx33 earlier:
[02:42] <ogra> aart from cbx33 throwing in he has something
[02:42] <rodarvus> RichEd, sorry for that, I had questions regarding doc, still
[02:42] <ogra> *apart
[02:42] <mhz> rodarvus: i can't tell you right now. I will get SVN on this pc today.
[02:42] <flint> rodarvus, IMHO, the methods of documentation need to be separated from the process.  I would recommend that we concentrate on the documentation process and ignore the whole repository issue.
[02:42] <rodarvus> flint, mhz: ok, up to you really
[02:42] <ogra> flint, to loose all we have because of a broken backup if the server crashes ?
[02:42] <ogra> :P
[02:42] <rodarvus> but be ready to recover if server or svn repo breaks :)
[02:43] <ogra> yeah
[02:43] <ogra> but that discussion really belongs to a docteam meeting :)
[02:43] <rodarvus> anyhow, sorry for the noise, guys
[02:44] <flint> ogra, authors are vain folks (I know this :^) they keep backups locally...
[02:44] <cbx33> hi all
[02:44] <cbx33> sorry
[02:44] <ogra> we pay 4 ppl in the DC to do that for us :)
[02:44] <cbx33> I just had 17 emails from a client with changes to a website
[02:45] <mhz> rodarvus: i appreciate your concerns and beleive me, I would also prefer official repos...at least we'll be able to blame it on someone else if we lose everything :D
[02:45] <cbx33> totally 70Mb of data
[02:45] <cbx33> brb
[02:45] <cbx33> I saw my name mentioned
[02:45] <cbx33> oh yeh
[02:45] <cbx33> eeek
[02:45] <ogra> cbx33, yes, you said you have something wrt artwork to say
[02:45] <cbx33> brb
[02:45] <flint> ogra, see comment about money and evil earlier...
[02:45] <cbx33> I said Lisa was working hard on bringing all the ideas together
 On the artwork side
 lisa is busy reading emails and collating ideas
 cbx33, so post it if we are at art ;)
 nothing to post
[02:45] <ogra> ok
[02:46] <cbx33> she has been trying to keep up with the ubuntu-art ML
[02:46] <cbx33> that's one busy list
[02:46] <cbx33> :p
[02:46] <ogra> yep
[02:46] <mhz> rodarvus: and if possible, I'd love to know about OLPC plandsfor edubuntu, later.
[02:46] <rodarvus> on artwork related business -> I talked with my wife, she created a LaunchPad account last night, and is willing (and eager) to help on our artwork effort
[02:46] <cbx33> rodarvus, excellent
[02:46] <ogra> yay
[02:46] <rodarvus> she would just like to know where to start, whom to talk to, etc
[02:46] <ogra> we'll get a team !
[02:46] <cbx33> point her to lisa
[02:47] <RichEd> mhz: re OLPC ... some news from Thailand ... will share later
[02:47] <ogra> lets give lisa some time to spec out what we'll get :)
[02:47] <mhz> Is this the time to ask about procedures for LoCo artwrok and docs?
[02:48] <rodarvus> cbx33, I'd like to put lisa & jane to talk - lets us talk after meeting to see how to do it better
[02:48] <ogra> mhz, whats the problem ? should all be done through rosetta
[02:48] <flint> OLPC was big presentation at NELS in New Hampshire... The question was could they boot as thin clients... or is it all Sugar?
[02:48] <rodarvus> they can boot as thin clients, but are not very useful this way
[02:48] <flint> RichEd, I understood from the conference that the OLPC OS - Sugar is a Red hat production...
[02:49] <ogra> flint, you wont be able to buy them ... whats the usecase for having them as thin clients then ?
[02:49] <rodarvus> as their wifi network card is really slow (2mb/s)
[02:49] <rodarvus> their wifi is slow to preserve battery life
[02:49] <flint> rodarvus, I agree with Olli how do you boot them via the silly rf net?
[02:49] <ogra> you cant
[02:50] <ogra> there is no way to use wifi cards without having a kernel locally .... for ltsp at least
[02:50] <flint> ogra, I got to get one in the lab before I say can't.
[02:50] <ogra> if they dont have a real NIC it wont work ...
[02:50] <mhz> ogra: mainly 3 things: a) I got many requests for Bug reporting in spanish |  b) Edubuntu-Cl guys  would like to contribute with artwork related to Chile, as a way to motivate students and tearchers to jump in and join Edubuntu  |  c) Edubuntu-Cl is working on translations of ESA and Edubuntu.org
[02:50] <ogra> no point trying it :)
[02:51] <ogra> mhz, a has no solution in ubunt either, b use art.ubuntu.com, c should be covered by rosetta
[02:52] <flint> ogra, I still want one in my Lab :^)  would be cool!
[02:52] <rodarvus> I can read/undestand bug reports in spanish
[02:52] <ogra> sure ... but give up the idea of using them as thin clients :)
[02:52] <rodarvus> though I'd probably have to answer in english
[02:54] <mhz> ogra: a) they want to report in spanish (even via wiki) and have a trasnlation team make it into english  |  b) the idea was to be able to ship some artwork  (thus, encourage participation from schools via contests)  |  c) we are using wiki to do so, and we've been talking to highvoltage in order to place translation on the website (drupal)
[02:54] <ogra> well, b is likely a no fro CD space side
[02:54] <ogra> *from
[02:54] <highvoltage> hmm
[02:55] <ogra> and ESA translatio should really happen through the transaltion teams in rosetta
[02:55] <ogra> thats what we have them for :)
[02:56] <ogra> mhz, how is a hadled now ? do we have a ton of spanish bugs in malone and you file new ones with an english description or something ?
[02:56] <cbx33> rodarvus, sounds good
[02:57] <mhz> rodarvus: ogra: one of the biggest issues (at least in Chile) has been to encourage people to contribute to the projects. We have tons of users though. So, finally, I have been getting more committed hands and of course, i would not like them to leave. So, getting easier ways for them to report bugs, shipping artwrok, having them see thier work as "official"  is a good way to motivate.
[02:57] <mhz> ogra: iirc, we have zero bug reporting from people who dont write english
[02:58] <rodarvus> mhz, I agree
[02:58] <ogra> mhz, we had 20MB free in the beginning of the cycle ... 5 were used up right away by core changes ... 10 will be used by adding mono, f-spot and tomboy to main ... there is not much left
[02:58] <rodarvus> one suggestion is for us to make use of LOCO teams heavily in this case
[02:58] <rodarvus> is there an Ubuntu Chile LOCO team?
[02:58] <ajmitch> ogra: do you have to have mono, f-spot etc? can't they just go on the ubuntu cd only?
[02:59] <ajmitch> as useful as they may be
[02:59] <ogra> in any case translations should be handled by translation teams ... make the edubuntu-cl guys joind them
[02:59] <mhz> rodarvus: yup, but very informal still
[02:59] <ogra> ajmitch, not sure yet
[02:59] <rodarvus> mhz, time to formalize it, then :)
[02:59] <ogra> ajmitch, its a matter of time i can invest into maintaining an alternative
[03:00] <ajmitch> true
[03:00] <ajmitch> we recounted, it'll be about 12MB for them
[03:00] <ogra> ajmitch, for now i have to compute sizes on the current situation
[03:00] <mhz> rodarvus: yeah, that is why i want to bring ways to motivate them.
[03:00] <rodarvus> I'd like to spend some time studying the edubuntu seed (and also the ubuntu seed)
[03:00] <ogra> ideed its my first candidate for dropping
[03:00] <rodarvus> to check if there is some space we can reclaim there
[03:01] <rodarvus> anyhow
[03:01] <rodarvus> guys
[03:01] <rodarvus> we are seriously late with the meeting
[03:01] <ogra> rodarvus, not if we dont drop desktop parts we inherit from ubuntu
[03:01] <ogra> which would be uhmmm, unfortunately at least
[03:02] <ogra> but lets close now and move over to #edubuntu :)
[03:02] <rodarvus> I believe RichEd wanted to say something here
[03:02] <RichEd> okay : ogra can we make a time for the community issues you raised ?
[03:02] <ogra> ok
[03:02] <rodarvus> before the end of the meeting
[03:03] <RichEd> and ogra & rodarvus & mhz we seriously need a chat before i go to see sabdfl & silbs
[03:03] <mhz> okis
[03:03] <mhz> +1
[03:03] <rodarvus> agreed
[03:03] <RichEd> ogra: you said you wanted to chat about something ,. but offline
[03:04] <mhz> btw, when is next Edubuntu Council meeting? next wed?
[03:04] <RichEd> mhz: quick comment regarding the OLPC - Thai delay will push deadline 1 month back
[03:04] <ogra> aug 2nd
[03:05] <mhz> thx
[03:05] <rodarvus> RichEd, what is the new deadline, then?
[03:05] <RichEd> but still on track ... i am working on MOU.
[03:05] <RichEd> Feb 2007 ...
[03:05] <RichEd> when we have our 4 way chat, i can share more
[03:05] <mhz> cool
[03:05] <rodarvus> sure
[03:06] <mhz> RichEd: so far, just let me now when you want it and I'll do my best to make it
[03:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: stopped smoking?
[03:06] <RichEd> how is monday ?
[03:06] <ogra> argh ... the logbot is broken ... only zero byte logs
[03:06] <jsgotangco> mhz: :P
[03:06] <flint> ogra, I just got hold of a carton of BD's from Pakastan... A very nice smoke!!!
[03:07] <mhz> RichEd: monday should be my daughter's 1st day of school (in her life) ;)
[03:07] <ogra> nice !
[03:07] <RichEd> wow ... enjoy :)
[03:07] <RichEd> i'll pop a mail to the 3 for suggestions then
[03:07] <rodarvus> RichEd, you want a phone conference, or an irc meeting?
[03:07] <mhz> RichEd: ho about tomorrow? 12 UTC or earlier?
[03:07] <RichEd> IRC is easier. but we are overtime. will organise cvia mail.
[03:07] <flint> ogra, I look forward to splitting a few with you if you have a lighter.
[03:07] <mhz> .oO(oh, maybe too soon)
[03:07] <flint> :^)
[03:08] <rodarvus> we can try to go via Ekiga (using canonical voip service)
[03:08] <RichEd> 12 UTC friday ?
[03:08] <rodarvus> ok
[03:08] <RichEd> or earlier ?
[03:08] <mhz> 11 UTC?
[03:08] <RichEd> mhz: okay with me
[03:08] <mhz> rodarvus: ?
[03:09] <RichEd> rodarvus: ? ogra ? Fri 11 UTC ?
[03:09] <rodarvus> 11/12 utc is ok for me
[03:09] <RichEd> okay will confirm via mail.
[03:09] <mhz> okis
[03:09] <mhz> thc RichEd
[03:09] <RichEd> i'm done here now.
[03:09] <ogra> RichEd, if they didt shut down the dsl in my old house yet (they are not supposed t but i dont trust them)
[03:09] <mhz> x
[03:10] <RichEd> okay.
[03:10] <flint> ogra, Ollie did you already move?    I want a truck!
[03:11] <flint> :^)
[03:12] <rodarvus> any other topic someone would like to raise, or should this meeting be adjourned?
[03:12] <ogra> flint, rent one (costs me 100/day)
[03:12] <mhz> rodarvus: I have another topic but I can raise it on #edubuntu if ok
[03:13] <flint> ogra, I hate moving.  You will be down for days!
[03:13] <RichEd> going once
[03:13] <RichEd> going twice
[03:13] <ogra> flint, not as i do it ...
[03:13] <RichEd> meeting closed ... resume any threads in #edubuntu
[03:13] <flint> ogra, You scare me...  Have fun and watch your back!!!
[03:13] <ogra> (i'm moving since two months already ... its rather a soft migration than a move)
[03:14] <RichEd> thanks all ... would appreciate a log if someone has it
[03:14] <flint> off to #edubuntu.
[03:15] <rodarvus> mhz, sure, lets talk about it on #edubuntu
[03:15] <ogra> RichEd, as i said, the logbot is broken :/
[03:15] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html
[03:15] <ajmitch> ogra: no problem, I've got the log at least
[03:16] <ogra> cool !
[03:16] <ogra> would you mail it to me ?
[03:17] <ajmitch> sure
[03:17] <ajmitch> just have to trim it down to the current meeting :)
[03:17] <RichEd> ajmitch<EMAIL_ADDRESS><- please thanks
[03:18] <ajmitch> ok, got it
[03:20] <ajmitch> hopefully the mail gets through ok :)
[03:20] <RichEd> tx.
[06:56] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 02 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 03 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 10 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:56] <neoxan> hi Seveas
[09:04] <ogra> Seveas, ??
[09:04] <Seveas> ogra, a loser who is stalking me
[09:16] <ompaul> orga seveas is being polite
[09:17] <ogra> ompaul, i belive so ... i was just wondering why, but i trust Seveas sanity :)
[09:17] <Seveas> hmm -- don't do that too quickly
[09:17] <ompaul> hehe
[09:18] <fouadbajwa> hi guys,
[09:18] <fouadbajwa> just needed a small bit of information
[09:20] <fouadbajwa> regarding<EMAIL_ADDRESS>member's email address how-to?
[09:20] <ompaul> what info
[09:20] <ompaul> do you need
[09:24] <rodarvus> Seveas, why don't you contact freenode administration to completely ban this guy from the network?
[09:24] <Seveas> rodarvus, they weren't awake
[09:24] <Seveas> working on that right now
[09:24] <rodarvus> ok :)


[00:38] <shadowbroker> hello. i'm on kubuntu 13.10. i've tried adding chinese as a second keyboard layout, but no matter what i do, i can't get the keyboard to switch from english to chinese
[00:39] <shadowbroker> i'm currently in Keyboard Settings, I added the layout called "Chinese" and added shortcuts to switch to either English or Chinese
[00:40] <shadowbroker> but they do not work :/ and selecting Chinese from the task bar doesn't switch either. it's always stuck on English
[00:40] <shadowbroker> any ideas?
[00:40] <valorie> perhaps run it from the cli and watch the output?
[00:40] <valorie> not sure how you figure what command to issue though
[00:41] <shadowbroker> i dont know how to change the keyboard settings from cli either :|
[00:41] <valorie> mmmm, too bad our guy from Hong Kong isn't here; I'm sure he knows how to switch
[00:42] <valorie> this might shed some light? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1551403
[00:44] <valorie> and possibly: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7021111/kde-how-do-i-find-and-switch-current-globar-keyboard-layout-from-cli
[00:44] <valorie> although it's sorta old
[00:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Does anyone know how to alter settings governing video overlay?
[00:49] <shadowbroker> i keep reading posts about 13.10 breaking language support, almost completely for some languages
[00:50] <shadowbroker> yet this has been known for months and not fixed? O.o i find that hard to believe
[00:55] <valorie> shadowbroker: we'd welcome help on that
[00:56] <valorie> there is a person working to fix, but it's a big job
[00:56] <valorie> remember that this is a community produced distro
[00:57] <shadowbroker> unfortuntely i wouldnt know where to start on such a thing :(
[00:58] <valorie> if you have the time, we'll work with you
[00:58] <valorie> we all start out as beginners
[00:58] <shadowbroker> true. i need to finish school first. maybe then i'll have enough time to contribute
[00:58] <valorie> cool
[00:59] <valorie> most of what is done in foss is because somebody wants something fixed enough to learn how to do that
[00:59] <valorie> practically our whole packaging team at one time was a buncha high school teens
[00:59] <shadowbroker> lol
[01:00] <shadowbroker> gonna try relogging to see if i missed something that needed to be restarted
[01:00] <valorie> now that they are in or done with college, they work upstream as well as packaging
[02:00] <daniel1> Hi, heres my story: I duist upgraded to the current version where I found the new muon discover. It so not bad but why in the flying hell does frigging nobody tests his developed program with the standart dark themes/schemes like obsidian coast, zion rev. and so on ?? The values I set do not apply to muons bg of the buttons therefore I have a forced white button with a light colored text that is given by the
[02:00] <daniel1> scheme. ;/
[02:02] <xixor> I seriously doubt those are rigorously tested
[02:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> um...
[02:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> The themes only effect the panes and, maybe the windows.
[02:05] <daniel1> and the buttons too
[02:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm using Obsidian Coast now. Looks great
[02:06] <daniel1> the buttons too ?
[02:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> Granted, I'm on 12.04...
[02:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> yup
[02:07] <daniel1> your using muon discover ?
[02:09] <xixor> muon discover is a window that you probably use like what.... once a blue moon?  don't worry about it
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> muon discover?
[02:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, you're not talking about the package manager?
[02:09] <xixor> file a bug with Canonical/kubuntu and move on
[02:10] <daniel1> Well but this does not matter to me that much. I'd rather know how I can fix this without recompiling. I gues qt's ability of qss can fix this but how can I set specific programs to start allways with a specific qss applied ?
[02:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, it's a third party front end.
[02:13] <xixor> ah, sorry, I thought muon discover was muon
[02:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> nope
[02:14] <xixor> well, apple, android/google, and microsoft have an app store-like interface, so looks like someone wanted to copy it for KDE too
[02:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> could always file a bug with cyberspace.
[02:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> https://launchpad.net/~cyberspace
[02:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> they're in charge of that project.
[02:32] <daniel1> Hell I cant even find the spot where I have to submit the bug.
[02:33] <valorie> submit a bug for what exactly?
[02:33]  * valorie read up, but am confused
[02:34] <daniel1> muon discover
[02:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> the look of Muon Discovey is not complying with theme settings.
[02:34] <Poisoned_Dragon> Apparently...
[02:35] <valorie> daniel1: try ubuntubug --muon-discover in the cli
[02:35] <daniel1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon this one right ?
[02:35] <valorie> or just go to bugs.kde.org
[02:35] <valorie> and file it there
[02:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> why are you filing a bug with Muon?
[02:37] <valorie> yes, that's the right place; discover bugs are in with the rest of muon
[02:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Really?
[02:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> huh.....
[02:38] <daniel1> Because the buttons of muon are not obeying to the styling, which they should.
[02:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> What version of Kubuntu?
[02:40] <daniel1> 13.10 , kde 4.11.3 I guess. I allways forget the command.
[02:40] <xixor> the command to get the ubuntu version is ridiculous
[02:40] <xixor> lsb_what? lsb_something? lsb_version ?
[02:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's why I use inxi. :)
[02:41] <BluesKaj> lsb_release -a
[02:41] <xixor> cat /etc/debian_version is so easy
[02:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> that too
[02:41] <Poisoned_Dragon> but inxi makes it pretty
[02:41] <BluesKaj> or -r
[02:43] <daniel1> it is 13.10
[02:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, out of my expertise.
[02:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Because of my chipset/gpu, I gotta stick with LTS. So, I know little about issues in kde 4.11
[02:45] <xixor> Poisoned_Dragon: what chipset/gpu?
[02:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> Intel 82852/855GM
[02:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> After kernel 3.5, I have issues with the laptop lid button.
[02:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's a common bug filed in launchpad and the forums.
[02:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> Easier just to stay with LTS. If I'm feeling adventurous, I could install the quantal lts kernel package.
[02:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> But I finally got kubuntu the way I like it. I don't feel like messing with i much more. Considering I'm more of an xfce guy, things seem to be working ok.
[02:50] <xixor> ima install 4.12 to join the cool crowd
[02:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[02:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought about using the backports ppa.
[02:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, I might just let things be.
[02:51] <xixor> I never let things be.
[02:51] <Trel> I'm having a few problems with themes on the latest KDE available in Kubuntu.   Are there any known issues right now that weren't in previous versions?
[02:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I usually don't either. But this laptop is very particular.
[02:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> you should check out the bugs section of the backports ppa, launchpad site.
[02:53] <BluesKaj> testing prerelase kubuntus is a hooby of sorts for me, stable id fine for thode who need it.
[02:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> It might have come up
[02:53] <BluesKaj> id-is
[02:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> If I had a less temperamental setup, I'd go for it.
[02:54]  * BluesKaj retrieves his glasses
[02:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, not being able to use the latest kernel is bummer enough.
[02:54] <Trel> Since upgrading KDE+Kubuntu, I'm having these issues http://imgur.com/a/UHiQy  (first two show how a window decoration is losing its gradient when a window is maximized)
[02:54] <xixor> I haven't found a laptop that isn't tempermental with linux
[02:57] <BluesKaj> my issue with linux is the lack of a comprehensive audio suite, there's too much chaos
[02:58] <daniel1> Trel: I had this once too. There is shomewhere a option to disable the rendering of the gradients on maximized windows. Looks like it is enabled on your system.
[02:58] <xixor> BluesKaj: agreed.  I'm having alsa problems on 13.10 I installed on my desktop last night
[02:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> Surprisingly, my eeepc 701 has been pretty good.
[02:58] <Trel> daniel1: any idea where, it must've been triggered when I upgraded kubuntu releases.
[02:58] <xixor> BluesKaj: trying to track down if it's a phonon, pulseaudio, or alsa problem is .... frustrating.
[02:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> The biggest issue is the low resolution of the lcd. Can't overcome that
[02:59] <BluesKaj> xixor, which audio chip ?
[02:59] <valorie> the problem is, that every effort to wrap up all of the linux audio, just makes another layer
[02:59] <Trel> daniel1: I'll look around, that's easy enough.
[02:59] <valorie> sort of a nightmare for all the a/v devels, all the time
[03:00] <valorie> there are still people using OSS!
[03:00] <xixor> BluesKaj: I'm not on the machine, I can't recall off the top of my head, the problem is that I have 3 audio devices, that all seem to work, just the ordering seems messed up... I think
[03:01] <BluesKaj> alsa is perfectly capable and was until pulseaudio was forced down our throats
[03:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> Could alsa handle multiple apps streaming audio at once?
[03:02] <valorie> that isn't how I experienced it
[03:02] <excalibr> When you use plasma-desktop, how do you hide the titlebar for maximized app window just like in plasma-netbook?
[03:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought it was a one at a time thing.
[03:03] <valorie> but then I didn't have a clue how to fix things back in the day either
[03:03] <ghil> Pulseaudio seemed like a good thing at first though. But seeing it's state, and it's development, I'm really missing the old ALSA days.
[03:03] <valorie> ghil: to me it seems to get better over time
[03:03] <valorie> we used to advise people to remove PA in #amarok
[03:04] <valorie> it's been a few years since I had to make that suggestion
[03:04] <ghil> it is better than it was yes. and I'm glad, because now it's useable.
[03:04] <valorie> colin guthrie is awesome to work with
[03:04] <valorie> he's a great maintainer
[03:05] <Trel> daniel1: sorry to ask again, I can't find where it even might be, you have any clue where that setting was?
[03:07] <BluesKaj> xixor,  index settings in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf cab help solidify the order of importance for the sound drivers the devices use
[03:08] <xixor> I just think it's silly that it's 2013 and there doesn't seem to be a way for alsa to change the order of sound cards.  So if I want to use my mobo audio instead of hdmi audio or my usb sound card, I gotta edit some cryptic file and which may or may not involve a reboot
[03:08] <xixor> wait
[03:08] <xixor> it's even sillier that I still think it's 2013
[03:09] <stunner> lol
[03:09] <stunner> oh weit a minute that sound driver order i found yesterday
[03:09] <stunner> wait
[03:09] <ghil> just a thing though: editing some cryptic file is really more efficient to me than knee deep menus where every option is obscured and hidden through many levels.
[03:10] <daniel1> Trel: I gues its shomewhere in application/workspace apperence. But i remember that it was rediculesly hard to find again.
[03:10] <xixor> the KDE phonon device order editing is pretty nice
[03:10] <Trel> daniel1: It wasn't spefcific to the decoratoin was it?
[03:10] <BluesKaj> xixor, that's why i use VLC the audio settings in phonon can be chosen there for a particular audio device
[03:11] <daniel1> Trel: No it was some kind of stupid thing that applied to all maximized windows
[03:11] <BluesKaj> it's clunky but it works
[03:11] <xixor> BluesKaj: VLC can also choose the specific alsa device as well I think
[03:11] <xixor> BluesKaj: which I find strange because apparently there is no way with an alsa utility to change the order
[03:11] <BluesKaj> yes , that what i was trying to say :)
[03:11] <xixor> or if there is, I haven't found it
[03:12] <daniel1> Trel: might even be in window behavior
[03:12] <Trel> daniel1: ok, I'll keep looking, thanks
[03:12] <stunner> does someone know how i keep the flash video that i play in firefox fullscreen on my dual screen?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> the audio devices defaults is hierarchal in alsa , but think it has to be to keep order
[03:15] <Trel> daniel1: I think I may have found what it's called
[03:19] <BluesKaj> xixor, in alsa-base.conf index=0 is the driver for Card 0 in phonon and so on, and any driver setting with a - (minus) is ignored
[03:20] <daniel1> Trel where was it ?
[03:20] <xixor> BluesKaj: Hm...... ok, I'll have to explore that, you might have to remind me of that when I'm back at that machine
[03:20] <Trel> daniel1: I didn't find it, but I think it's related to hiding borders on maximized windows.
[03:20] <daniel1> yes
[03:20] <daniel1> .. or maybe
[03:21] <xixor> BluesKaj: is it possible it is just a permission thing with /dev/dsp or something?  I remember that being a common alsa problem back-in-the-day
[03:21] <BluesKaj> xixor, np ,just remind me ,and we can go thru it
[03:21] <Trel> daniel1: if not, I can't find anything else, even via google
[03:24] <BluesKaj> xixor, it could have been when the asoundrc file was still determining device order etc , but asoundrc has been dropped pulseaudio seems to have taken over that role for device inputs and outputs
[03:24] <daniel1> Trel: you could try to make a new user acc to se if it is realy the setting I remember or something different.
[03:25] <xixor> BluesKaj: is the asoundrc file only in ~ ?
[03:25] <Trel> daniel1: I may as well, be right back
[03:26] <BluesKaj> not sure xixor , I just became familiar with it after it was dropped
[03:26] <BluesKaj> seen references on old alsa and OSS tutorials
[03:27] <xixor> yeah, I've seen it mentioned as well
[03:27] <xixor> there is also another tool, asoundconf I think it was, that I seen mentioned a lot on the web, but now it doesn't seem to be included
[03:41] <BluesKaj> well, gotta go ...later folks
[04:02] <xixor> I haven't been able to tell the difference between any kde versions in a few years
[05:05] <friti> Does anyone know if it is possible to disable copy/paste via middle-click? It is more a hindrance to me than it is helpful.
[05:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Lemme look
[05:09] <friti> The problem is that the switch on my middle mbutton is very sentitive, and it likes to randomly paste stuff in documents that i am scrolling though....
[05:11] <soee> friti: open desktop properties
[05:11] <soee> there you have tasks assigned to mouse buttons
[05:11] <soee> remove of modify them
[05:12] <friti> soee, gonna try that....
[05:12] <friti> Didn;t help
[05:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> I forgot that was there.
[05:13] <soee> friti: and what did you do ?
[05:13] <friti> There appear to be at least 2 clipboards. One that holds the string that i copied via ctrl+c and the second that holds the middle-clicked selection
[05:14] <uBUXUBu> hi
[05:14] <friti> soee: I went to Desktop Settings => Mouse actions and removed the middle-click action
[05:15] <friti> Obiously, i have also clicked "apply" and "ok".
[05:15] <soee> friti: maybe try to logout and login again
[05:15] <friti> Yeah, i guess i wil give that a go....
[05:16] <friti> It will restart X and that may just do the trick
[05:18] <friti> Nope, it still copy/pastes via middle-click. Gonna try a restart then.
[05:25] <friti> Grrr... That didn;t work either
[05:29] <friti> soee: So the restart didn't help. Is there something else that i could try?
[05:37] <soee> friti: not sure i thought the desktop settings trick will do the job
[05:37] <soee> you can also try to ask on #kde as it is to it related
[05:40] <friti> Someone seems to have suggested EasyStroke as a solution. I am now looking into that
[05:45] <friti> Hmmm... That seems to have helped, at least a little.
[05:47] <friti> It will refuse a first middle click, but then a second will pass right through
[05:52] <friti> Well, it will help at the very least.
[05:53] <friti> In case you want to know, i followed this post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1335587&page=3&p=11811126#post11811126
[07:35] <detlef><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:27] <Shahin> join .help
[09:27] <Shahin> join /help
[09:28] <Shahin> hi
[12:07] <markus_> on every start my desktop looks like I reinstalled my machine
[12:07] <markus_> Is there a fix for this?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:10] <eagles0513875> friti_: its your trackpad a multitouch one?
[14:10] <eagles0513875> as it seems there is an issue with them
[14:10] <eagles0513875> at the kernel level
[14:11] <eagles0513875> friti_: not sure if this applies to your multitouch track pad but for sure applies to mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/967399
[14:58] <friti_> eagles0513875: I do not have a track pad. I don;t know where you got that idea.
[14:59] <eagles0513875> sorry friti_ only saw half the discussion
[14:59] <friti_> I just want to disable copy/paste on middle mouse click
[15:09] <eagles0513875> friti_: you checked in settings?
[15:09] <friti_> You mean System Settings? Yes
[15:11] <eagles0513875> should be able to adjust the settings from the input section in terms of mouse and track pad etc
[15:13] <friti_> There is no way to adjust mouse button actions from there, for as far as i can tell. However, right-click desktop, then choose settings (i use folder view, so i would choose Folder Settings), then choose "Mouse Actions", where i have already removed the middle-mouse click action
[15:14] <friti_> Other than that, my only option would be to disable the middle mbtn in X altogether, but i definitely don;t want to do that
[16:26] <Allison43> !cloak
[19:57] <Trel> The kwin-style-dekorator package is broken on my system.  It requires removing kde-window-manager and installing kde-window-manager-active (which does not work), where as if I compile dekorator myself, it work just fine with kde-window-manager
[20:39] <greasyfat> ok i installed the kunbuntu desktop
[20:39] <greasyfat> my icons keep disappearing off my desktop after i add apps there lol
[20:39] <greasyfat> its like random which ones stick
[21:00] <jarkko___> i have that also
[21:00] <jarkko___> i have a bit wondered why is that so
[21:05] <alihk> hi
[21:06] <alihk> i have a problem with openvpn client!
[21:06] <alihk> can anybody help me!?
[21:09] <lordievader> alihk: What is your problem?
[21:09] <alihk> i just now install kubuntu 13.10
[21:10] <alihk> before this i have ubuntu 13.10 and then install kde desktop!
[21:10] <alihk> in ubuntu with kde i have openopn i its works fine
[21:10] <alihk> but in kubuntu openvpn doesnt work!
[21:11] <lordievader> alihk: Define "doesn't work". Do you get an error?
[21:11] <alihk> no its just doesnt work!
[21:11] <alihk> pptp works fine!
[21:11] <alihk> but openvpn !! Nope
[21:12] <Allison43> alihk, openvpn works here , do you have network-manager-openvpn installed?
[21:13] <alihk> where can i find that this package installed??
[21:13] <alihk> i dont know
[21:14] <Allison43> look in the muon package manager for it, or sudo apt-get install network-manager-openvpn
[21:14] <lordievader> alihk: Open a terminal and run "apt-cache policy network-manager-openvpn"
[21:15] <alihk> its not installed!
[21:15] <alihk> i run installation
[21:18] <Allison43> then you have to open the panel toolbox and search for network manager and install it by clicking on it so that NM appears in the panel
[22:09] <Promethes> when muon will be fixed? Anyone knows?
[22:10] <Promethes> its three months since 13.10 release and still muon updater crashes and/or not installing updates
[22:11] <Promethes> was this muon software piece created for masohists?
[22:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Promethes: Use [ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ] for the time being. Also can't you update using Muon's package manager?
[22:16] <Promethes> SonikkuAmerica: I can, but i have many PC's with kubuntu on board at my work and i really miss dead simple updater
[22:16] <Promethes> that works
[22:18] <SonikkuAmerica> (This is reason #827348 why I don't use KDE at all anymore.)
[22:19] <jarkko___> there havent been much  updates anyway
[22:37] <greasyfat> whats the best file explorer
[22:37] <greasyfat> is dolphin good
[23:24] <Guest19021> jk
[23:45] <stunner> anyone know i good way to remote control my pc with my android phone?
[23:57] <valorie> stunner: have you tried kdeconnect?
[23:57] <valorie> I have it, and it works really well
[23:58] <valorie> you install the package on your computer, then get the app from Google Play, and pair
[23:59] <valorie> it will even control your TV or Blu-ray player


[12:14] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, popey: I just saw "planning convergence for ore applications in this cycle" as a proposed meeting, I put it on for 18:05 today in the community track (although it was marked 'appdev')
[12:15] <dpm> dholbach, I think we removed that one from the schedule since we'd cover it on the core apps planning session
[12:15] <dholbach> oh ok
[12:15] <dholbach> should it be deleted?
[12:15] <dholbach> removed it again
[12:16] <dpm> dholbach, best to double-check with popey, but I seem to remember that was why it wasn't on the schedule
[12:16] <dholbach> ok
[13:34] <SuperMatt> hey jorge
[13:35] <SuperMatt> I need to ask you something, is it possible to move my session?
[13:36] <SuperMatt> I know it's quite early there, so you don't have to answer right away
[13:48] <dpm> dholbach, popey, I'll have to jump to the community-2 room for a couple of sessions today as well. I can start the 2 first sessions on appdev-2, but for the rest, perhaps it's better if popey starts them?
[13:51] <popey> dpm: I don't mind so long as I know which ones we're all doing?
[13:52] <dpm> popey, I can do the first 2 off appdev-2, for the rest I'll need to be on the Community room. Could you do the rest?
[13:55] <mhall119> popey: I can do all of appdev-1, but do you need to be in the Core Apps Test Review session?
[13:55] <popey> yup
[13:55] <mhall119> balloons: ^^ or you?
[13:55] <popey> thats balloons
[13:55] <balloons> I plan to be in core apps test review, yes
[13:56] <mhall119> balloons: do you want to host it?
[13:56] <dholbach> dpm, ok, let me know where I can help out - balloons: I assume you do comm-1 now?
[13:57] <dpm> dholbach, I think we're covered in terms of hosting. If you want to join the roundtable or the materials for porting sessions, that'd be awesome
[13:58] <dholbach> dpm, I was going to have a look at what's going on for cross-compiling
[13:58] <dholbach> (core-2)
[13:58] <dpm> dholbach,  no worries
[13:58] <dholbach> but I guess I can do a half of each
[13:59] <balloons> dholbach, yes I'm com1, then com2
[13:59] <balloons> who wants to host for liz at 1605?
[13:59] <dholbach> balloons: I guess I can do
[15:49] <pleia2> jcastro: will you be in the Classroom IRC sessions thing next?
[15:50] <jcastro> no, running my own track unfortunately
[15:50] <pleia2> nigelb (time zone) and jose (school) can't make it, so it's just me
[15:50] <jcastro> :-/
[15:50] <jcastro> punt the session maybe?
[15:50] <pleia2> I'm thinking that, yeah
[16:06] <jono_> mhall119, are you running appdev-1?
[16:06] <mhall119> yes
[16:06] <jono_> pleia2, I think dholbach will be there
[16:06] <jono_> mhall119, can I have the link?
[16:07] <mhall119> jono_: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpifd675e2ice19gjl03or74?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:39] <jcastro> dang
[16:39] <jcastro> did we forget to schedule lunch?
[16:39] <jcastro> brutal!
[16:47] <asomething> dholbach, where does the code for http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring-stats/ live?
[16:47] <asomething> doesn't seem to be anything at https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sponsoring-stats
[16:48] <dholbach> asomething, in a session, will get back to you in a bit
[16:50] <asomething> dholbach, thanks. picked up a work item to adapt the sponsoring queue code to work with core apps reviews
[17:00] <dholbach> asomething, oh wow - I'm not even sure the code still works as expected - I will have to dig it out, I didn't look at it for ages :-(
[17:02] <asomething> dholbach, The queue code should be pretty easy, and that's the focus. The graphs would just be a "nice to have"
[17:02]  * dholbach nods
[17:02] <dholbach> can you drop me a mail and I'll look into it?
[17:02] <asomething> sure
[17:02]  * dholbach hugs asomething
[17:02] <dholbach> awesome
[17:02] <dholbach> dinner time, brb
[17:44] <jono_> dholbach, can you spin up community 1 as I will need to join but leave a little early
[17:52] <dholbach> jono_, there's just community-2, but yes, I'll do that
[17:53] <dpm> dholbach, ok, if you're starting community-2, I'll join the session
[17:53] <dholbach> awesome
[17:55] <elfy> marcoceppi: you about and got 5 minutes - or you all tied up in some session ?
[17:55] <marcoceppi> elfy: I have exactly 5 mins before the next session
[17:57] <elfy> lol - ok - discourse - loco areas - we need to have a way to let 'us' know there is now a discourse area - so we can close the sub-forum and then leave a discourse link
[17:57] <marcoceppi> elfy: Cool, what do you need from me to do that?
[17:57] <elfy> not thinking anything needs to be 'official' other than the fact that the LoCo wiki probably needs changing to reflect this issue
[17:58] <elfy> and I've not heard from them since I mailed jcastro and them 2 or 3 months ago
[17:58] <elfy> marcoceppi: not sure - how about trying with a PM to me on discourse - I go there sort of every day anyway
[17:59] <elfy> we don't need to tie it up now - was just planting the seed :)
[17:59] <marcoceppi> elfy: sure, I can just PM you when a new subgroup is created
[18:00] <elfy> ok - we'll go with that and see how it works - should be sufficient - but we do need to talk to LoCo's about this at some point - I should be able to do it with both hats on :)
[18:00] <marcoceppi> elfy: cool, let me know if you need anything else
[18:00] <elfy> I Assume you're<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[18:00] <marcoceppi> elfy: yes, pretty sure
[18:01] <elfy> ok - I'll leave you in peace now :)
[18:07] <jcastro> elfy, can you send me a mail on what you want to do? I've got to run sessions for the next 3 hours
[18:08] <elfy> jcastro: yea that's cool, I would have CC'd you - I'm in no rush - I know what people are up to at the moment :)


[16:58] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230506)


[12:28] <bluesabre> Created some tickets to track the wiki and some discussions from yesterday's Flavor Sync meeting
[12:28] <bluesabre> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-website/issues/29 https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-development/issues/16 https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-development/issues/17 https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-development/issues/18
[12:28] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 29 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-website "Host release notes on GitHub Pages?" [Open]
[12:28] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 16 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-development "Consider Ubuntu Firmware Updater (snap app) for 24.04" [Open]
[12:28] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 17 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-development "Consider replacing GNOME Software with Flutter-based Snap Store" [Open]
[12:28] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 18 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-development "Consider move from IRC to Matrix" [Open]
[23:13] <JackFrost> What are the benefits of the snap store?


[09:44] <harsh___> I have question about using Ubuntu 12.4 as Server in production. Can someone assist?
[19:25] <Finnigann> I did this along time ago, yet I cannot recall how I changed my Desktop/interface. Could someone point me in the right direction? Tango Yankee
[19:40] <geirha> Use a different desktop environment?
[20:04] <Finnigann> Yes, I think it went from a Gnome variant to KDE (or the other way) Is this possible with Ubuntu (I'm assumin it is) but how can I do this. I have v 12.0x now but I kinda liked the 11.xx that I first installed.
[20:05] <Unit193> !purekde | You can "change" with this.
[22:49] <DavidP_> Hello?
[22:49] <DavidP_> Could someone help me solve a problem when I am installing lubuntu?
[22:51] <wilee-nilee> DavidP_, Hi, the channel works with you stating the problems, if someone knows they will answer, if no one does then you can try #ubuntu or #lubuntu
[22:58] <DavidP_> I am installing lubuntu, and once i click the "install lubuntu" button, it starts with the splashscreen. After about 3 minutes the screen goes black and soon after the mouse appears. Then the screen goes through a phase of showing a black screen, then ujst a mouse. A few times after this, the screen starts to flicker between sleep mode, and various other screens. This continues for as long as I have waited and yet nothing h
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> DavidP_, Have you checked the md5sum of the iso or disc, or checked the disc integrity at the first gui at powering on?
[22:59] <DavidP_> No, I will do.
[22:59] <DavidP_> What is the rough process?
[23:00] <wilee-nilee> DavidP_, That is generally where I would start. Rough process in what context?
[23:00] <stlsaint> DavidP_: are you currently on a widows or linux machine?
[23:00] <DavidP_> How would i go about checking the md5sum. I am very inexperienced.
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> stlsaint, Feel free here you would have more insight. ;)
[23:01] <stlsaint> DavidP_: are you currently on a widows or linux machine?
[23:02] <DavidP_> My main computer is running windows altough I am installing linux on an old computer for a web server etc.
[23:03] <stlsaint> DavidP_: how much ram on the older system?
[23:03] <DavidP_> 256mb although i believe that's ok for lubuntu
[23:04] <stlsaint> DavidP_: yes but its not ideal for it. which release are you trying to install?
[23:05] <DavidP_> 12.10
[23:06] <stlsaint> DavidP_: have a glance at the wiki. The 12.10 requires more than 256 RAM for the "desktop" installer but you can use the alternate installer and it should run fine
[23:06] <stlsaint> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[23:10] <DavidP_> ok what distro would recommend for that kind of spec, considering i would like to run a web server and some other things
[23:10] <stlsaint> DavidP_: you new to linux yes?
[23:11] <stlsaint> DavidP_: ubuntu server will be fine and its well documented for web servers
[23:11] <DavidP_> i have used it a little. I have used ubuntu, know some simple commands and have a raspberry pi
[23:12] <stlsaint> DavidP_: lubuntu really wont be lubuntu as a web server
[23:14] <DavidP_> so ubuntu server will run on only 256mb of ram plus bear in mind the processor is only intel celeron
[23:14] <stlsaint> DavidP_: ouch forgot about that part with the ram
[23:15] <stlsaint> DavidP_: what type of content are you serving on the web with only 256 RAM?
[23:16] <DavidP_> it'll only be a basic website,  and i might add more ram later on if there is large traffic or it needs bigger files on it
[23:18] <stlsaint> DavidP_: i am inexperienced with running low ram web servers. Least ive ever used was 2GB in a vm. But there is other OS's that may be able to but are some that i have never tried, IE: slax
[23:19] <stlsaint> DavidP_: although i know puppy linux can be ran as a webserver
[23:19] <stlsaint> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=43285
[23:23] <DavidP_> yeah i could run it on my larger pc which has 16 gb of ram but it is very powerful so it would be very power consuming plus i wouldnt be able to run windows in paralell
[23:23] <stlsaint> DavidP_: now you said a webserver and "some other things"...what other things if you dont ask me asking?
[23:23] <stlsaint> oh yea
[23:24] <stlsaint> there are always virtual machines :D
[23:24] <DavidP_> im happy to ill try puppy tho
[23:25] <Unit193> Could also try AntiX for smaller, full featured.
[23:26] <DavidP_> that didnt make sense long story why lol. by other things i meant like maybe some python
[23:30] <DavidP_> antix seems good. btw im that bothered if the server is a bit slow its just a bit of an experiment really, just to make use of the computer.
[23:30] <DavidP_> *but not btw
[23:33] <stlsaint> DavidP_: cool, have fun
[23:33] <stlsaint> Unit193: go away :P
[23:33] <Unit193> Good idear.
[23:35] <DavidP_> who go away? why?
[23:36] <stlsaint> DavidP_: not you, I was messing with my pal Unit193
[23:38] <DavidP_> ok i will try some of those distros tomorrow but how would i check the md5 checksum to make sure the disk is accurate?
[23:38] <stlsaint> DavidP_: sorry not sure how on windows
[23:39] <stlsaint> im sure there is some little handy utility around
[23:39] <stlsaint> maybe?? http://www.winmd5.com/
[23:40] <DavidP_> ok i will find out myself. should i check it once downloaded when on disc. In fact i think my disc burner has the function built in! :)
[23:40] <stlsaint> you can check the iso once you download it before you burn it
[23:41] <DavidP_> ok
[23:41] <stlsaint> Unit193: ping
[23:41] <Unit193> stlsaint: Pong, but still need to get grub.
[23:42] <stlsaint> Unit193: go grub then ill bug you when you return
[23:42] <stlsaint> Unit193: i just have a strange issue with my directories i wanted to throw at you
[23:42] <DavidP_> thank you very much for your help guys, now i think i shall get some sleep :P you r a wonderful community, i love open source :D
[23:45] <stlsaint> DavidP_: later man
[23:57] <Unit193> stlsaint: Kind of in and out.


[20:13] <RenatoSilva> would you allow me to ask for support here? #ubuntu is too ineffective. Seems populated of noobs
[20:14] <RenatoSilva> not that I'm an expert, but...


[18:48] <sergio-br2> https://code.launchpad.net/~dolphin-emu/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+recipebuild/1057423
[18:48] <sergio-br2> why...
[18:49] <sergio-br2> g++-4.9 : Depends: gcc-4.9-base (= 4.9.2-0ubuntu1~14.04) but 4.9.3-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[18:49] <sergio-br2> oh man...
[18:50] <sergio-br2> again this issue
[18:51] <sergio-br2> I saw that this 4.9.3 appeared in the repository
[18:51] <sergio-br2> can I use it instead the other PPA I'm maintaining only for gcc?
[19:00] <sergio-br2> there's this gcc-4.9-base 4.9.3
[19:00] <sergio-br2> but there's no full stack...
[19:00] <sergio-br2> I guess there's some derp here, I mean, why you should update this package?
[19:01] <sergio-br2> I guess I can fix it modifying the dependency in the PPA from default to security right?