[20:42] <unko> is jaunty x64 good? like.. i know there's alot of software issues with ubuntu x64 in general? like plugins... firefox...java
[20:43] <Sniper606> I am using the xubuntu 9.04 beta and for some reason my /etc/fstab is blank. Is there an easy way to fix this?
[20:43] <Tekno_> dont fix if it works
[20:44] <Sniper606> I need an fstab before I can do fsck's tho
[20:44] <Assid> hrm
[20:44] <Assid> someone wanna buzz meon R-Day
[20:44] <Assid> so i canm put up my mirrors?
[20:44] <bsrat> if i install jaunty beta, when it goes stable, would the installed beta go stable? Or is there backing out that will need to be done?
[20:44] <wirechief> Sniper606: when you do  mount   what does it show ?
[20:45] <Sniper606> dustin@laptop:~$ mount
[20:45] <Sniper606> tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[20:45] <Sniper606> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[20:45] <Sniper606> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[20:45] <Sniper606> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[20:45] <Sniper606> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
[20:45] <Sniper606> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[20:45] <Sniper606> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[20:45] <Sniper606> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
[20:45] <Sniper606> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[20:45] <Sniper606> fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[20:45] <genii> !pastebin | Sniper606
[20:45] <Sniper606> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=755)
[20:45] <Sniper606> securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[20:45] <Sniper606> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[20:46]  * wirechief Och!
[20:46] <Pici> !paste | Sniper606
[20:47] <Sniper606> yah yah i get it
[20:47] <rafael_> here i did lshw -C network, http://pastebin.com/m1aa96cb6 why does it say disabled/unclaimed ?
[20:47] <rafael_> how do i enable it :\
[20:47] <Assid> Pici: !
[20:47] <Assid> wassup f00
[20:48] <wirechief> Sniper606: are you on a live cd ?
[20:49] <Sniper606> nope
[20:49] <philsf> I'm getting logged out on suspend (or X is crashing). Symptom is when I resume, I get to gdm greeting. Is anyone else experiencing this?
[20:49] <Sniper606> hrm weird i got some other people telling me that thiers are blank too
[20:50] <philsf> I just reproduced it both on lid close (it's a laptop) and suspend button
[20:50] <Pici> Assid: Howdy :)
[20:50] <Assid> ltns!
[20:52] <Assid> hrmm
[20:52] <Assid> my ibex is brokwn
[20:53] <ikonia> Assid: you may get better support in #ubuntu for 8.10
[20:53] <wirechief> Sniper606: if your gonna be doing any fsck stuff best do it from a live cd, you can get into unimaginable trouble otherwise.
[20:54] <bsrat> if i install jaunty beta, will it go stable and I won't have to back anything out?
[20:54] <wirechief> bsrat depends...are you having issues now ?
[20:54] <ikonia> bsrat: shouldn't have to - but it can happen if a crticial bug is found with a core component, and it has happened in the past
[20:55] <panda_baby> failed print jobs, umm runing 9.04 on XUbuntu, using CUPS, Dell AIO 922, and this is the debugging info http://pastebin.com/f909ef65 if someone could help me out real quick because i do not have that much longer before i gotta get out of here. that would be great, and I would give the helper a cookie =)
[20:56] <matrixblue> Assid, for Intrepid go to #ubuntu
[20:57] <wirechief> matrixblue: did you have any success with usb startdisk or unetbootin ?
[20:57] <ikonia> panda_baby: the only interesting I can see if the constant requests for authentication
[20:57] <matrixblue> wirechief, It worked fine when I used 8.10 as an iso
[20:57] <wirechief> matrixblue: now that is interesting.
[20:57] <panda_baby> ikonia, what does this mean?
[20:58] <ikonia> panda_baby: the authentication stuff isn't a worry as your printer doesn't seem to care, it just seems to be asking a lot
[20:58] <matrixblue> wirechief, yeah means the prob is in the ISO itself
[20:58] <panda_baby> ikonia, so this is not going to work? or do i possibly have the wrong driver or what?
[20:58] <wirechief> matrixblue: i had one success with jaunty initially and there after have not been able to get it to work either unetbootin or usb-creator.
[20:58] <ikonia> panda_baby: there isn't really much in terms of errors in that log
[20:58] <matrixblue> wirechief, same ISO?
[20:58] <ikonia> panda_baby: have you tried just doing an "lp /etc/hosts" ?
[20:59] <panda_baby> its the first driver to do a single thing... it seems to get a rise out of it
[20:59] <panda_baby> hmm
[20:59] <panda_baby> what does that do?
[20:59] <ikonia> panda_baby: it will just print /etc/hosts but you may get better error detail out of the syslog
[20:59] <wirechief> matrixblue: yes jaunt 9.04 i got it from distrowatch around the 8th of april
[20:59] <panda_baby> hmm
[20:59] <panda_baby> so i just type that into the terminal?
[21:00] <matrixblue> wirechief, no I mean was it the exact same ISO used both times? An earlier build make have given success
[21:00] <bsrat> when's the go-live date for jaunty
[21:00] <ikonia> panda_baby: pretty much
[21:01] <wirechief> matrixblue: well, i used 32bit also 64bit but all from daily builds
[21:01] <matrixblue> wirechief, the only that worked was probably an earlier build before the problem came along
[21:02]  * wirechief shakes head in discust.
[21:02] <panda_baby> ikonia,  all it does is drag the paper half way, shows this on the terminal: family@family-desktop:~$ lp /etc/hosts | request id is Family-11 (1 file(s)) | then prints this into a error message box and shoots the blank paper out right at my GF error = There Was A Problem printing Document 'hosts' (Job 11).
[21:02] <DexterF> kub8.10->9.04: how? manually alter sources or is there some ubertool?
[21:03] <trappist> wow, jaunty doesn't ship with ruby 1.9?
[21:03] <matrixblue> wirechief, how do shake your head in disgust?
[21:03] <ikonia> panda_baby: darn, thats not helpful
[21:03] <wirechief> martixblue i even tried different releases of the programs, but the iso is certainly a question.
[21:04] <panda_baby> ikonia, i think the other thing was more detailed than that
[21:04] <ikonia> panda_baby: the other thing had no detail in
[21:04] <ikonia> panda_baby: hence why I asked for a test to try to get some more info
[21:04] <panda_baby> yea i know...
[21:04] <matrixblue> wirechief, yeah, I think that may be the cause
[21:05] <White_Pelican> I need help with the kubuntu jaunty remix
[21:05] <wirechief> matrixblue: well i think they are aware of it by now. maybe a fix in the wind.
[21:05] <r0bb> umm sry... ugh my GF was on but its me and i cant stand using her nick
[21:05] <matrixblue> wirechief, they need to come out with an Ubuntu USB edition
[21:05] <wirechief> matrixblue: they did.
[21:05] <r0bb> ikonia, i was recently panda_baby <-- my gf's nick
[21:05] <wirechief> matrixblue: that is for unetbootin
[21:05] <unko> is there a possible way to adjust like...audio levels via port? EX if i have a sound blaster card with the green out put (regular) and than my black (sub) and another out put for sound is there anyway to adjust them individually? is there a software for this?
[21:05] <r0bb> ikonia, I'm going to try another driver and see if that does anything different
[21:06] <ikonia> ok
[21:06] <matrixblue> wirechief, I mean where you can do a full install on a flash drive
[21:06] <matrixblue> r0bb, I think it's cool that you and your gf are Linux users
[21:07] <White_Pelican> how do I upgrade to kde 4.2.2 on the Jaunty remix?
[21:07] <r0bb> ikonia, this driver only shoots the paper, rolls a little bit, but... still nothing on the paper, and it never shows an error until i cancel the job
[21:07] <ikonia> what printer is it again ?
[21:07] <r0bb> i can't cancel unless i do it by pressing the button on the thing plus cancel on the computer
[21:07] <wirechief> matrixblue well i dont know, probably too many hurdles.
[21:07] <r0bb> Dell AIO 922
[21:07] <dtchen> unko: yes, but not for your codec likely
[21:08] <matrixblue> wirechief, it should't be. Just reduce the amount of applications that comes installed
[21:08] <dtchen> unko: you'll need to compile a debug version of the alsa driver (enable debugging and hwdep support)
[21:08] <unko> dtchen, hmm but software like this exists right?
[21:08] <r0bb> ikonia, none of the Dell drivers worked, i went through all of them, but the Lexmark ones seem to get a rise out of it and rattle its cage a bit
[21:08] <matrixblue> wirechief, I've successfully done a full install to several flash drives. It just takes up so much space
[21:08] <dtchen> unko: then you'll need to echo hex values into /proc/asound/card*/*codec*/*
[21:09] <dtchen> unko: yes
[21:09] <ikonia> r0bb: I suspect dell's are just another make rebadged, but I don't know
[21:09] <White_Pelican> can someone answer my question?
[21:09] <ikonia> White_Pelican: is kde 4.2.2 in the repos ?
[21:09] <ikonia> !info kde-core
[21:09] <White_Pelican> I don;t know I didn't look
[21:09] <unko> dtchen, cuz i prolly won't know how to do that
[21:09] <unko> haha
[21:09] <ikonia> White_Pelican: that's a good start - look
[21:09] <White_Pelican> actually, check that, I did look
[21:10] <wirechief> matrixblue: im in the process of doing a dd that will put a copy of my successfull version onto another usb stick (should be interesting)
[21:10] <r0bb> i'm guessing so ikonia, someone on a forum said they had a lexmark driver working for it, but when i google it all it gives me is .exe files, i've even tried google.com/linux and it just seems like a lost cause, but my motivation is that ppl say they have gotten it working.... =) that keeps me goin
[21:10] <matrixblue> wirechief, it's alot faster too
[21:10] <r0bb> actually it was in Ubuntu forums lol
[21:11] <matrixblue> wirechief, I'd use ext2
[21:12] <White_Pelican> ikonia, it is not in the repositories, that I an tell that is
[21:12] <r0bb> it said completed, but yet nothing happened this time...
[21:12] <ikonia> White_Pelican: then you don't upgrade to it yet
[21:12] <wirechief> matrixblue: well i thought for my first attempt i would just use fat32 with lba
[21:12] <White_Pelican> I'm wondering if I need to add an entry to sources.list
[21:12] <ikonia> White_Pelican: you wait for a package to be made available
[21:12] <matrixblue> matrixblue, I don't think fat32 is supported
[21:12] <matrixblue> wirechief,  I don't think fat32 is supported
[21:13] <dtchen> unko: yeah, it takes a bit of finesse
[21:13] <r0bb> ikonia, need the Lexmark X57 driver, and it seems to skidaddle right around it going from 55, 56, right to 58 on the list in CUPS at localhost jajaja
[21:13] <dtchen> unko: you'll need the data sheets for the specific ac'97 codec, and you'll need to read the driver source code
[21:13] <White_Pelican> so how do I try out 4.2.2 in the Jaunty remix?
[21:13] <wirechief> matrixblue: thats what usb-creater and unetbootin uses when it puts it on the stick
[21:13] <ikonia> White_Pelican: you don't, you wait for a package to be released
[21:13] <unko> dtchen, hmm sounds too time consuming.
[21:14] <ikonia> r0bb: that's frustrating,
[21:14] <matrixblue> wirechief, the drive itself is fat32 but the casper-rw is mounted as ext3
[21:14] <marcooliva> Hello :)      I think this is the place, if not please forgive-me. Question : The Limbo programming language ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo_(programming_language) ) is available in GNU/Linux ?
[21:14] <matrixblue> wirechief, it creates a virtual filesystem
[21:14] <White_Pelican> also, why did the allow on kde 4 apps in the remix?
[21:14] <ikonia> marcooliva: wrong place - this is for ubuntu development version
[21:14] <White_Pelican> they*
[21:14] <ikonia> White_Pelican: kde 4 is in jaunty
[21:14] <marcooliva> Sorry
[21:15] <ikonia> White_Pelican: I don't know what this "remix" you keep talking about is, jaunty is a development release at this time
[21:15] <White_Pelican> I guess I gigured with the remix, the apps would be there too
[21:15] <ikonia> !jaunty
[21:15] <wirechief> matrixblue: well that is probably so when its being booted and gets used. I will check when this thing finishs, since ive only gotten one stick to work so far.]
[21:15] <ikonia> White_Pelican: check the topic of where to get the current jaunty cd's from - jaunty has kde4 on it
[21:16] <topyli> i think there used to be a "kubuntu remix" with kde4 when kde4 was brand new
[21:16] <matrixblue> wirechief, I look forward to hearing how it goes
[21:16] <r0bb> ikonia, very, i been trying to get this working since last night, but ugh... seems that today is the closest i'v gotten, and it just needs that extra push on that ink to the paper and paper to the tray
[21:16] <White_Pelican> ikonia, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
[21:16] <wirechief> matrixblue: it shouldnt be much longer, its running at 12mb per second though and is slow.
[21:17] <ikonia> White_Pelican: - thats for kde3 - not kde4
[21:17] <matrixblue> wirechief, what brand flashdrive is it? What how big is it?
[21:17] <ikonia> White_Pelican: if you want kde4 - don't use the kde3 remix
[21:17] <White_Pelican> oic
[21:17] <White_Pelican> verty well then
[21:17] <ikonia> White_Pelican: it says that in the first line on the page you sent me
[21:17] <ikonia> A semi-official remix of Jaunty Jackalope has been created with only KDE3.5 installed
[21:17] <White_Pelican> ok, np
[21:17] <White_Pelican> I guess you can't have both then, eh?
[21:18] <ikonia> you can but it's going to cause conflicts
[21:18] <ikonia> seee the kde4 compatability
[21:18] <ikonia> on the same page you posted
[21:18] <mbeierl> White_Pelican: if you want to try out kde 4, just use the official jaunty, not the remix
[21:19] <paul68> hi has there been an improvement for the drivers on the creative labs xfi cards in the new release?
[21:19] <White_Pelican> I don't like the kde 4 interface
[21:19] <White_Pelican> I guess i'l just stick to Heron
[21:20] <White_Pelican> unfortunately, whatever positive changes there are in Jaunty I won't have available to me
[21:20] <paul68> secondly how is the support on nfs server for the server version in the new release?
[21:21] <technopagan1> Hi! Is Jaunty's RC still scheduled for tomorrow (16.04.2009)?
[21:22] <mbeierl> White_Pelican: then use the 3.5 remix, but without the kde 4 apps ?
[21:22] <mbeierl> technopagan1: it's 23rd, not 16th...
[21:22] <mbeierl> sorry rc
[21:22] <White_Pelican> mbeierl, the kde 3.5 remix doesn't have kde 3 apps, most if not all the apps are kde 4 apps
[21:22] <mbeierl> technopagan1: sorry, I didn't see the RC in your message
[21:23] <technopagan1> mbeierl: no worries!
[21:23] <Guest39494> i have a problem trying to download the .iso of 9.04 everytime i try to mount  it with daemon tools it says there is a wubi.exe error
[21:24] <wirechief_> matrixblue: im on the live cloned usb stick now
[21:24] <mbeierl> White_Pelican: sorry, I see your predicament now.  I guess upgrading isn't right for you at this time :(
[21:24] <technopagan1> mbeierl: Do you know of any delay for the RC?
[21:24] <r0bb> ikonia, you said its requesting authentication, could you please elaberate on that a little bit more?
[21:24] <mbeierl> technopagan1: I do not, but I haven't checked either
[21:24] <White_Pelican> ty mbeierl
[21:24] <White_Pelican> maybe I'll switch when kde 5 is out :)
[21:25] <wirechief_> matrixblue: /dev/sdb1   *           1        1638     7823327+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[21:25] <mbeierl> White_Pelican: wish it were better news ... but ya, sometimes it's best to stick to the LTS releases anyway
[21:25] <White_Pelican> exactly
[21:26] <paul68> is there an improvement on the driver support for creative labs xfi cards and for the server version is there a good support for nfs server since on 8.04 its not working
[21:27] <White_Pelican> the only frustrating thing about that is in regards to flac. the KDE team broke it. What I mean is, when you insert an audio cd into your optical drive, and after the popup comes up and you open in a new window, you no longer have flac as an option, even if you have flac installed. I was told they fixed it in kde 4
[21:28] <technopagan1> mbeierl: Thanks! I checked the wiki and it still says 16th - So I guess everything's right on schedule - Which is awesome!
[21:28] <Guest39494> any help for me?
[21:28] <mbeierl> technopagan1: I just like living on the edge - been running jaunty for a month now already :) so RC doesn't mean as much to me at this point ... hee hee
[21:29] <mbeierl> technopagan1: but you're right - it IS good to see everything on schedule
[21:29] <swistk-off> Hi guys
[21:29] <swistk-off> I got some annoying bug with (propably) sound server
[21:30] <swistk-off> and skype. When I speek with my friend, first minute of voice chat is good and clear, but after that, my friends hear me with ~50 secs delay
[21:30] <mbeierl> Guest39494: is the problem that you cannot download the iso or that once you have it you cannot use it
[21:30] <swistk-off> this is noy my friend problem, becouse I have tested it with many peoples
[21:31] <swistk-off> I dont have idea where I should search for "bug"
[21:31] <Guest39494> i cannot use it
[21:31] <paul68> does anyone has news on my 2 previously asked questions?
[21:31] <Guest39494> when i mount it it errors
[21:31] <mbeierl> Guest39494: mount it under an existing Linux OS?
[21:32] <Guest39494> no
[21:32] <mbeierl> swistk-off: I wish I knew... I can't even get sound to work for skype for me, but I'm running 64 bit
[21:32] <jeiworth> paul68: dont know about xfi since i refuse to buy creative after they stoppped offering full drivers for download ages ago, but whats missing in the current nfs-implementation'
[21:32] <mbeierl> Guest39494: how are you trying to mount it then?
[21:32] <jeiworth> ?
[21:33] <Guest39494> in windows with daemon tools, to install with windows
[21:33] <Guest39494> in windows*
[21:33] <technopagan1> mbeierl: I had some bad luck with early betas etc. in the past ... lost some data twice in almost four years of Ubuntu -Which is still magnificient compared to the trouble I had with other OSes before. But as I'm running systems I need for daily work, I cannot afford pre-RC trouble anymore. ;)
[21:33] <mbeierl> technopagan1: I hear you... but I'm still foolish enough to be running this beta on my primary work pc...
[21:33]  * mbeierl touches wood
[21:33] <swistk-off> mbeierl, but I got sound, with cosmos delay
[21:34] <Sniper606> since I have no fstab and can't force a fsck with sudo touch /forcefsck, How else do I go about doing an fsck?
[21:34] <jeiworth> technopagan1: there is always virtualbox, e.g. ;)
[21:34] <paul68> jeiworth: I agree on the creative lab cards how ever I got this card before I changed from windows to linux. secondly on the nfs its not working under 8.04 due to known bugs so I was wondering if there are solutions for this in the new release
[21:34] <mbeierl> Guest39494: so you are using some type of program for windows that allows you to browse to the ISO image as if it were burned to a CD?
[21:34] <Guest39494> yes
[21:35] <Guest39494> its how i installed 8.10 to my system back when i had it
[21:35] <mbeierl> Guest39494: do you have a spare cd?  could you try burning it?  I have no experience with that type of Windows software, sorry
[21:35] <Guest39494> when i do burn it i lose the ability to install in windows
[21:35] <jeiworth> paul68: hmm ok, didn't know that there were problems with nfs in 8.04
[21:35] <swistk-off> arr :P I need skype for work
[21:36] <guntbert> Guest39494: did you run an md5sum check on the iso?
[21:36] <Guest39494> no, whats that
[21:36] <paul68> jeiworth: no problem, in 8.10 desktop its working correctly
[21:36] <jeiworth> Guest39494: if you want to install it "within" windows, i.e. on the same (ntfs) partition you can simply download and run the wibu (or wubi?) installer
[21:36] <guntbert> !md5sum | Guest39494
[21:37] <technopagan1> jeiworth: True, but I was an early adopter / idiot, who bought a tiny tiny 1.8" SSD + installed it into my laptop ... trying to download a 4GB-DVD-image has become a true disc-space-challenge now! ;)
[21:38] <Jason_CO> hi folks - im running juanty (updated as of last night) and trying to load the nvidia driver -- when i do sudo modprobe nvidia  -- i get a fatal, Module nvidia not found
[21:38] <ScribbleJ> Okay,... I am trying to hack something in xorg, so I do apt-get source xorg-xserver-core, then start hacking on the code in there, but ... I think there's some files missing, like XrrCrtc.c ... anyone know what I'm missing?
[21:38] <Jason_CO> subsequently - -all my attempts at xorgs fail also
[21:38] <chamonix> I'm experiencing serious problem when trying to burn CDs/DVDs with k3b/brasero on 9.04 and am wondering if someone else has the problem and could confirm that my system is not broken
[21:39] <jeiworth> technopagan1: aaah but to be able to enjoy the speed and quietness of an ssd... i wish i had one too :)
[21:40] <Jason_CO> can someone tell me what the proper name of the driver is?
[21:40] <matrixblue> wirechief, cool stuff
[21:40] <matrixblue> I g2g though
[21:42] <ScribbleJ> Nevermind, I found it.
[21:42] <calc> jeiworth: seagate 7200.4 is pretty fast and much cheaper than an SSD
[21:42] <bugabundo> guud evening everyone
[21:42] <Jason_CO> it appears that the driver is installed - but when i try to activate it through jockey -- i click on activate, give it my password and nothing ever happens
[21:42] <chamonix> hey bugabundo
[21:43] <jeiworth> calc: sorry, but i dont want a 7200rpm monster in my lap
[21:43] <bugabundo> chamonix: hey, back
[21:43] <technopagan1> jeiworth: Just today I had a Macbook with regular HDD on my lap to get some stuff done and when the harddrive rattled & rotated, I actually got scared for a second that I just broke something in there... True story! :)
[21:43] <bugabundo> having trouble connecting to Freenode via pidgin! cant figure whats up
[21:43] <jeiworth> lol
[21:43] <calc> hmm i guess 7200rpm drives just work better in better engineered laptops
[21:44]  * calc has no problems with his
[21:44] <jeiworth> calc: mhm i am sure they do...
[21:44] <calc> well as opposed to the rattling apple noted above
[21:44] <wirechief_> hey bugabundo
[21:44]  * calc can't hear or feel his drive
[21:45] <calc> and at 100MB/s so not too slow either
[21:45] <jeiworth> technopagan1: well, i am looking forward to see the market in 2-3 years when ssd's are actually affordable ;)
[21:45] <bugabundo> calc: i feel my drive
[21:45] <bugabundo> and its just a common 5400RPMs
[21:45] <SwedeMike> I bought a ocz vertex 30gig SSD for USD129, that's quite affordable system drive.
[21:45] <wirechief_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/276822
[21:46] <calc> jeiworth: and actually work enough to be usable? :) the intels are rated at 20GB/day and are some of the better ones aiui
[21:46] <jeiworth> bugabundo: that is because you dont have a "better engineered laptop"(tm);)
[21:46] <chamonix> bugabundo: what problem/error do u get?
[21:46] <calc> i have a thinkpad x200 so that might be part of the reason i can't tell... much better engineered than my old toshiba for example
[21:46] <Guest39494> I just recieved an error on install on a 9.04 disk i made previously
[21:46] <wirechief_> usb stick with jaunty working....
[21:47] <calc> the drive in it is rubber isolated to provide shock protection
[21:47] <Guest39494> says "An Error Occured" Invalid Argument
[21:47] <SwedeMike> calc: I'm going to try an intel x25-m 80gig SSD in my X200 in a week or two
[21:47] <technopagan1> swistk-off: Has this skype-problem begun with using Jaunty? I recently began having similar problems with Intrepid and would like to know if we might be seeing the same bug.
[21:47] <calc> SwedeMike: i hear they are really fast as long as you 1. upgrade the firmware to the new version out this past week, and 2. that you don't do much data xfer with it
[21:47] <wirechief_> bugabundo: i think they got a regression on usb-creator after the date i made my working stick
[21:47] <calc> SwedeMike: eg don't use it to compile code, etc
[21:47] <SwedeMike> calc: well, I think they
[21:48] <jeiworth> calc: my point is more that a 7200-drive will suck the battery dry much faster than 5400, let alone ssd (mechanics eat lots) and noise and vibration are other arguments against it
[21:48] <SwedeMike> they're quite fast anyhow
[21:48] <SwedeMike> calc: but I'm definitely getting the new firmware
[21:48] <calc> jeiworth: hmm i still get 6hr+ with my laptop under linux which aiui is about normal for linux since it doesn't do as aggresive power management as vista
[21:48] <wirechief_> bugabundo: not sure if its a kernel issue or not.
[21:48] <swistk-off> technopagan1, I have this problem in Jaunty, when using interpid, all was great
[21:48] <jeiworth> of course if you only use your laptop with power cable on a desk this might not be relevant but i actually use mine in my lap travelling
[21:48] <SwedeMike> calc: yeah, vista is 50% better battery time, which I think is disappointing
[21:49] <jeiworth> calc: but anyway, the whole discussion is off topic here
[21:49] <calc> SwedeMike: yea i only get ~ 6hr but the x200 is rated for ~ 10hr under vista aiui
[21:49]  * calc gets back to packaging OOo 3.1
[21:49] <SwedeMike> calc: me too, but initial tests with 9.04 was better than 8.10 anyway
[21:49] <technopagan1> swistk-off: Thanks! Then it's probably not related.
[21:50] <swistk-off> technopagan1, did you got voice delay?
[21:50] <technopagan1> swistk-off: Huge (!) voice delay.
[21:50] <swistk-off> technopagan1, about 50 seconds? I have this
[21:51] <bugabundo> calc: 3.1? PPA? great!!!
[21:51] <swistk-off> technopagan1, and in sound skype configuration I could chose "Pulse", there is no ALSA
[21:51] <SwedeMike> last time I tried skype the voice delay increased lineraly by time, so it got more and more out of sync. I could hear them ok, but they heard me with increasing delay the whole time.
[21:51] <calc> bugabundo: eventually :)
[21:51] <technopagan1> swistk-off: Yeah, I'd even gone for a whole minute of delay... but 50 seconds might be it.
[21:51] <bugabundo> ahh
[21:52] <swistk-off> technopagan1, did you find any fixes?
[21:52] <calc> i'm redoing the packaging
[21:52] <calc> eg deleted debian/* and started over
[21:52] <technopagan1> swistk-off: I had no time to debug it yet - Give me a couple of minutes + I'll see if it still happens - Then I'll look for fixes.
[21:54] <swistk-off> technopagan1, awsome, I need go sleep (tomorow school, so must get up early and make homework :P). Could You please announce me when you discover something (pm on irc will be great)?
[22:10] <alexDahNoob> hello everybody
[22:10] <alexDahNoob> i just came in here to kinda report a bug i guess idk..
[22:11] <technopagan1> swistk-off: Found the fix! I had everything set to pulse, which caused a increasing lag in the connection. I then switched everything to HDA Intel (hw) - I have an Intel-motherboard - and the lag disappeared!
[22:11] <alexDahNoob> i installed 9.04 ubuntu this mornning and it totally fuxed up my system
[22:11] <alexDahNoob> i had to re-install ubuntu
[22:11] <alexDahNoob> -_-
[22:11] <funkyHat> Is anyone else getting notices from tracker that their index is corrupted?
[22:12] <alexDahNoob> no me
[22:23] <bjsnider> are all of you intel peoples now using exa greedy mode?
[22:23] <wirechief> bjsnider not yet.
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ahhh back on pidgin
[22:24] <BUGabundo> so what did I loose today?
[22:24] <wirechief> BUGabundo: a workaround for the usb-creator booting to intramfs
[22:24] <BUGabundo> ok nothing much
[22:25] <BUGabundo> not much in archive either, with FREEZE
[22:25] <bjsnider> wirechief, whyn't?
[22:25] <wirechief> well for those who are looking for a solution its at least a help
[22:25] <wirechief> bjsnider: just making sure the 7.3 mesa down grade is for real ;)
[22:26] <bjsnider> have they gone thru with that?
[22:26] <wirechief> bjsnider i will first re-enable compiz though
[22:26] <wirechief> selectively perhaps
[22:27] <wirechief> looks like there are people still having freeze's  and the downgrade didnt help ;(
[22:28] <bjsnider> yes but they'll all soon be one with the borg
[22:28]  * wirechief resist's with a bug swatter in his cold dying hand
[22:30] <bjsnider> wirechief, so then how does your current setup perform?
[22:30] <wirechief> it will be a while before i walk back into kde4 though.
[22:30] <technopagan1> wirechief: So having an Intel-GMA (still) sucks?
[22:31] <wirechief> so far im happy with the improvements that have been made with boot up and general workabilty.  i still have a bug flying around i am trying to get a backtrace on
[22:32] <wirechief> finally got all the python stuff updated so it should upload a report next time it hits.
[22:32] <ubuntu> hiya, just tried to start the install from a jaunty cd from yesterday.  met with an arror from partman and not sure how to continue ?
[22:32] <wirechief> i think its npviewer
[22:33] <wirechief> ubuntu i dont use partman am still a gparted user
[22:33] <ubuntu> just start the install from the desktop icon ?  don't want to mess up my existing system :)
[22:33] <wirechief> ubuntu why dont you get a real nick ?
[22:34] <bjsnider> take him out back and put a hurting on him
[22:34] <wirechief> it helps when you rejoin the irc and people know who you are.
[22:35] <JackWinter> ok, that's better, new to quassel :)
[22:35] <bjsnider> quassel is a kde program
[22:35] <wirechief> ha, JackWinter we know your name  ;)
[22:36]  * wirechief joins the cheers group
[22:36] <wirechief> Jack
[22:36] <JackWinter> bjsnider: i know that quassel is an kde app :)
[22:36] <wirechief> oops
[22:36] <wirechief> JackWinter: why not use konversation ?
[22:37] <bjsnider> konversation hasn't been ported to kde4 yet
[22:37] <wirechief> I was going to try quassel myself but its a pretty hefty download
[22:37] <JackWinter> wirechief: i did until a few minutes ago, am booted into the jaunty beta live and grabbed the first irc client i found
[22:37]  * wirechief has been fully ported on kde4 either
[22:37] <Raylz> dtchen: ping
[22:38] <JackWinter> konversation runs fine in kde 4.2, been using it for a while already
[22:38] <wirechief> JackWinter: well at least youll have experience with quassel ;)
[22:38] <bjsnider> right but it still needs kde3 stuff to work
[22:39] <JackWinter> wirechief: grumble i hate when they change my favorurite apps on me :)
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> *koff*pidgin*koff*
[22:39] <wirechief> JackWinter: i think they use a dart board to decide.
[22:39] <JackWinter> bjsnider: so i've been running konversation, amaarok and k3b under kde 4.2 for some weeks already.  no problem with that
[22:40] <bjsnider> pdgin's name change was because they were sued by the remains of aol and they lost
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> is aol still around
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> JackWinter: does new amarok have xul remote capability yet?
[22:42] <JackWinter> just tried the install fro the desktop and get this: Partman failed with exit code 141 ??
[22:42] <wirechief> JackWinter: are you just now trying Jaunty or have you been using it for a while ?
[22:42] <JackWinter> ActionParsnip: haven tried the new one yet, been running amarok 1.something
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> yeah im on a jaunty build of 1.4 to get it
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> bug 282756
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> bam
[22:44] <JackWinter> wirechief: iḿ just now trying to install jaunty.  my kde 4.2 experience is from a couple of weeks with archlinux.  been unable to get closed nvidia and a realtime patched kernel to coexist, so thought i try jaunty to see if i have more luck :)
[22:44] <wirechief> JackWinter: perhaps
[22:44] <bjsnider> why do you need a realtime patched kernel?
[22:45] <JackWinter> bjsnider: for low latency audio
[22:45] <wirechief> JackWinter: i think there are some Nvidia users that are having freezes with Jaunty
[22:45] <wirechief> JackWinter:  in particular BUGabundo
[22:46] <bjsnider> not me
[22:46] <BUGabundo> me what?
[22:46] <wirechief> your freezes
[22:46] <bjsnider> my understanding is that the nvidia driver isn't built for low-latencies
[22:46] <BUGabundo> ahh yes
[22:46] <BUGabundo> re-installed NVIDIA driver and haven't seen one yet in 24h
[22:46] <wirechief> JackWinter: what model Nvidia are you using
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> nvidia is fine here
[22:47] <wirechief> well thats some good news.
[22:48]  * wirechief I don't even try fglrx anymore with my X1300
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> GeForce 6150 plus nVidia Corporation C51 memory controllers
[22:48] <BUGabundo> is it possible to have spyware on ubuntu? I just got a pop up page when clicking on a gmail link
[22:49] <JackWinter> wirechief: 8600gts
[22:49] <wirechief> BUGabundo: i have had that happen with www.woodtv.com
[22:49] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what kind of popup page?
[22:50] <wirechief> and that was with recent ubuntu install so i dont think its a virus
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: you could get some malware if you were REALLY silly which could transmit stuff back home but you would see it in ps -ef and kill it
[22:51] <wirechief> i think the ones to be concerned about are the antivirus web pages if they get re-routed then there might be something.
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: just stay clear of root and you should be fine
[22:52] <SnoFox> Okay, I just updated to Jaunty to beat the rush, and... Well, I'm regretting it.
[22:53] <adelie42> Anyone played with the INTEGRITY RTOS kernel for Linux?
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> SnoFox: are you fully updated?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: I'm crazy secure! don't run any site I don't trust and use adblock and noscript
[22:53] <adelie42> SnoFox: what broke?
[22:53] <SnoFox> ActionParsnip, just finished the update about an hour ago.
[22:53] <JackWinter_> hmm got disconnected will repeat: hmm don get much wiser from that bugreport.  anyway to install jaunty without invoking partman ?  should i try to install intrepid and then upgrade to jaunty instead ?
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> SnoFox: what issues are you having?
[22:54] <Carrie_> hi guys :)
[22:54] <SnoFox> I can't listen on ports. Like, everything binds; Apache, my IRCd, everything, and to make sure, I've DMZ'd my machine, but nothing will connect on my WAN IP. I can connect via <IP_ADDRESS>, but that's it.
[22:54] <adelie42> JackWinter_: partman? Yeah, typically the way to upgrade is to just change repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list. need help doing that simply?
[22:54] <SnoFox> Was working fine before the update. :\
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> SnoFox: then you'll have to tweak what you have to play nice with the jackalope
[22:56] <JackWinter_> adelie42: no i can do that.  suppose that is the only option since the jaunty beta cd won let me run the install script.  and yes itś partman crashing (141)
[22:56] <SnoFox> ActionParsnip, what would I be tweaking? Also, a fresh install of Jaunty worked great (except for frequent segfaults, about a month back)
[22:56] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: pastebin $ sudo iptable -l
[22:57] <adelie42> JackWinter_: it is the easiest way if you ask me
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> SnoFox: verify the connection between wan and the outside world for a start
[22:57] <Carrie_> Hey guys.. I installed the new version last night... I noticed really slow bootup time... specifically in between the login screen and the desktop actually being displayed...
[22:57] <SnoFox> ActionParsnip, iptables v<IP_ADDRESS>: Unknown arg `-l'
[22:57] <Carrie_> today it seemed to be faster... but I'm just looking for general info or tips on speeding up the bootup
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: clean install or upgrade?
[22:57] <SnoFox> Er, BUGabundo *
[22:57] <adelie42> JackWinter_: you can also use your cd as a source
[22:57] <Carrie_> it's a clean *cough wubi* install
[22:57] <SnoFox> ActionParsnip, I did. That's how I became aware of the problem. My friends couldn't connect.
[22:58] <adelie42> JackWinter_: if you are worried about bandwidth
[22:58] <JackWinter_> adelie42: ie had success and i've had failures upgrading ubuntu dists :)
[22:58] <SnoFox> BUGabundo, -l says Unknown arg.
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[22:58] <Carrie_> thanks :)
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> SnoFox: what if you un-dmz
[22:59] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: pastebin $ sudo iptable -L (caps lock)
[22:59] <Carrie_> Also, when booting up.. I get a "Press ESC to enter the menu" prompt.. not sure what that is (sorry I'm not really well-versed in this stuff yet).. is there a way to disable that or anything?
[22:59] <JackWinter_> ok, thanks gang, will try to go the intrepid way tomorrow.  that it would be easy was of course just a dream :)
[22:59] <SnoFox> Wait, give me a second. I just remembered I let UFW's new config file overwrite my old one.
[23:00] <SnoFox> Ah-ha, lol. Just my luck.
[23:00] <SnoFox> I forgot UFW's default policy was to deny all connections, and I let the Jaunty update overwrite my old config file.
[23:01] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: LOLOLOLOL
[23:01] <SnoFox> I have to partially thank BUGabundo, for making me use iptables, which reminded my about UFW.
[23:01] <virtuald> bugbuntu
[23:01] <adelie42> JackWinter_: I prefer the cli whenever possible because it gives you the most control over feedback from the application, usually telling you how to fix whatever broke
[23:01] <SnoFox> So semi-thanks. :p
[23:01] <Carrie_> actually it'd be nice to get rid of all the icky text stuff and have a completely graphical boot.. not just that esc menu thing
[23:01] <BUGabundo> xeee never though my nick was so hard! don't you guys know about TAB ?
[23:01] <ultimatelifeform> rww: Thanks. will #ubuntu+1 will be talking about 9.10 in a few more days?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: very much so
[23:02] <virtuald> fun to get home to sync out of range on screen 2 and no way to wake up the computer, it didn't even respond to me pressing the power button
[23:02] <SnoFox> April 27th, right?
[23:02] <BUGabundo> 23
[23:02] <BUGabundo> 8 days!
[23:02] <BUGabundo> ultimatelifeform: I plan to be on KK in one month or less
[23:03] <ultimatelifeform> BUGabundo: ?
[23:03] <SnoFox> While I'm here, on UFW, what's the difference between "Deny" and "Reject"?
[23:03] <BUGabundo> SnoFox: deny doesn't echo (aka no pong )
[23:04] <BUGabundo> ultimatelifeform: you said 9.10 (aka Karmic Koala)
[23:04] <SnoFox> I see.
[23:04] <pwnguin> BUGabundo: so deny drops the reply silently, while rejects says "you've been rejected"
[23:04] <BUGabundo> pwnguin: yes
[23:04] <_CommandeR_> Hi, how do you get the wifi working in Jaunty ?
[23:04] <pwnguin> s/drops the reply/drops the connection/
[23:04] <BUGabundo> _CommandeR_: what wifi card?
[23:04] <ultimatelifeform> BUGabundo: Ok, I didn't know a thing about KK.
[23:05] <BUGabundo> ultimatelifeform: ! codenames
[23:05] <pwnguin> BUGabundo: bummer about the Ubuntu  membership
[23:05] <_CommandeR_> the computer is Compaq 6510b.
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> _CommandeR_: usb or internal?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> pwnguin: yeah tell me about it
[23:05] <_CommandeR_> internal
[23:05] <BUGabundo>  !codename
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> _CommandeR_: run    lspci
[23:05]  * BUGabundo slaps _CommandeR_
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> _CommandeR_: one line wil identify the device, paste its name in here
[23:05] <_CommandeR_> lol :P
[23:06] <_CommandeR_> ok
[23:06] <BUGabundo>  !codenames
[23:06] <BUGabundo> ultimatelifeform: ^^^^
[23:06] <_CommandeR_> right now i run the 8.10 version it should be the same right?
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> _CommandeR_: yes
[23:07] <BUGabundo> _CommandeR_: support pre jaunty is on #ubuntu
[23:07] <_CommandeR_> i know :)
[23:07] <_CommandeR_> it works in 8.10
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: I thinks its a view to upgrading
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> _CommandeR_: one you know its name you can websearch how supported it is in jaunty
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ActionParsnip: ahh
[23:08] <BUGabundo> better do a Launchpad search, then just google
[23:08] <_CommandeR_> ok
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> any seach engine is fine
[23:11] <_CommandeR_> hm
[23:12] <JackWinter2> so what is the story with partman ?  i must confess even though i use kde a long time i normally use gparted seems to be much more reliable
[23:12] <Carrie_> hmm.. i get really bad screen tearing/vsync issues when moving windows around... is that normal? =\
[23:12] <Sniper606> Is it safe to install the 8.10 version of opera on the 9.04 beta?
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> JackWinter2: not sure, theres a long standing bug for it but apparently theres a fix in there
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> Sniper606: you could. not sure how well it would run (if at all)
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: have you installed video drivers?
[23:14] <JackWinter2> ActionParsnip: seems to be several bugs :)  ok my sda has 10 partitions so maybe not a normal user case, but still a turn off if i can't even install from the live cd
[23:14] <Carrie_> Yeah a little thingy popped up on the bar and I downloaded the nvidia drivers.
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: run: gksudo nvidia-settings  (assuming you run gnome)
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: you can tweak the driver settings there
[23:15] <Carrie_> yeah i've been here
[23:15] <Carrie_> by going to system -> preferences -> display
[23:15] <Carrie_> i dont see anything here to change
[23:15] <Sniper606> Is it safe to install the 8.10 version of opera on the 9.04 beta?
[23:15] <Sniper606> oops
[23:15] <Sniper606> sry for repeating
[23:19] <Carrie_> any other tips?
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: what is the output of   dpkg - l | grep nvidia
[23:20] <JackWinter2> Carrie_: i maybe wrong haven't ran an ubuntu in a long time, but i don't think system -> preferences -> display is the same as nvidia-settings or nvidia-utils
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: use pastebin
[23:21] <Carrie_> I will check Action, one sec
[23:21] <Carrie_> Jack, when i run pref-display, it says it can't run it for my current driver setup, then runs nvidia-settings instead
[23:22] <CaneToad> I'm running Ubuntu LiveCD built 14-April... I find that if I plug in a network connection, it takes a full 60 seconds before the "Auto eth0" appears on the network manager menu, it doesn't automatically connect, but if I choose "Auto eth0" then it connects.  Also, the informational popups that appear near the top menu bar on the right appear black in colour.
[23:22] <Carrie_> http://pastebin.com/m64cac530
[23:22] <Carrie_> there ya go
[23:22] <CaneToad> Is the black colouring for the popups intentional?  Seems odd to me.
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: ok you're on the the 180.44 driver which is the latest
[23:22] <Carrie_> i sure hope you know what that output means because it's all foreign to me :)
[23:23] <JackWinter2> Carrie_: nvidia-settings seems to be from 180.25, need to update that somehow
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> CaneToad: CD is slow but thats pretty bad, what if you connect it then immediately run: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:24] <Carrie_> ...
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: the left column is the package, the middle is version, the right is a description
[23:24] <Carrie_> so any tips?
[23:24] <Carrie_> jack, this is the package that got downloaded so i assume they go together
[23:24] <CaneToad> ActionParsnip, it isn't a cd-reading related slowness as far as I can tell... I'll try what you mention.  I also find that if the network connection is established, if I unplug it, then the system never realises that it has been disconnected.
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: could try enabling vsync in nvidia-settings if it isnt already on
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: or set a higher refresh rates
[23:25] <Carrie_> I see a few vsync options and tried them, but no luck
[23:25] <Carrie_> I dont see a place to set refresh rates
[23:25] <JackWinter2> Carrie_: i would assume the same, but they seem to be different versions and afaik that won't work.  sorry that i don't know how to fix it...
[23:25] <Carrie_> i see where to set resolution
[23:25] <Carrie_> and the only option is 60hz
[23:26] <Carrie_> which is what the monitor is.. so it should be fine :P
[23:26] <Carrie_> i'll try to change it, then change it back
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: true
[23:26] <Carrie_> no luck
[23:26] <Carrie_> moving windows around still looks awful
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: if you lower the res can you get a higher refresh?
[23:28] <Carrie_> i will look
[23:28] <Carrie_> ok
[23:28] <Carrie_> i set it to 1440x900 at 75hz
[23:28] <Carrie_> same issue
[23:28] <Carrie_> i move aroudn the window and there is awful tearing
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> bah, ok put the res back
[23:28] <Carrie_> very noticable along the edges
[23:30] <Carrie_> even 1024x768 failed :)
[23:30] <CaneToad> ActionParsnip: if I as root run /etc/init.d/networking restart then I see no visible change....and no network connection goes up...is "Auto eth0" meant to automatically connect?  It isn't even though it appears on the network manager menu.
[23:30] <Carrie_> crap i lost some windows doing that
[23:30] <Carrie_> lol
[23:30] <Carrie_> is there an easy way to get them all visible again :P
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: you using compiz?
[23:31] <Carrie_> isn't it integrated? ;)
[23:31] <Carrie_> and yes, i've tried turning it off
[23:31] <Carrie_> preferences - > appearance -> visual effects -> none
[23:31] <Carrie_> same problem
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: no idea, I have a script to rip a tonne of guff out of ubuntu
[23:32] <Carrie_> ah
[23:32] <Carrie_> well it isn't that :P
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> CaneToad: auto eth0 means it comes up at boot
[23:32] <Carrie_> maybe i just have really sensitive eyes
[23:32] <Carrie_> and no one else notices
[23:34] <Carrie_> hey com'on now.. i thoguht this ubuntu stuff was supposed to 'just work'? :)
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: nt all of it just works
[23:34]  * Carrie_ rolls eyes
[23:35] <Carrie_> any other thoughts?
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> its a distro of linux which is a concatonation of many projects so making them all sing together can be a pain
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=983686  may shed some light
[23:35] <Carrie_> it's an 8800GT nvidia card
[23:35] <Carrie_> it's incredibly mainstream
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> just avoid envy
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: so are broadcom wifi cards but getting some of the broadcom range working can be a pain
[23:36] <Carrie_> this article says use envy
[23:36] <Carrie_> you said avoid it
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: it can vary, maybe theres a glitch with that particular vga chip
[23:36] <Carrie_> i dont know what it is
[23:36] <Carrie_> what to do? :)
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> do avoid eny, its horrendous
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> you could try using the driver directly from www.nvidia.com
[23:37] <Carrie_> I will try
[23:37] <Carrie_> im browsing the screensavers right now so lemme finish that first
[23:37] <Carrie_> lol
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> its t same ersionut may e different, not sure on that front
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> maybe its a bug
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> you OS is beta after all
[23:38] <BUGabundo> any one here uses qemu? mine aint loading ubuntu RC iso
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: did you md5 check the iso
[23:39] <BUGabundo> of course!
[23:40] <BUGabundo> I get the boot, then choose language
[23:40] <BUGabundo> then I get a few timer errors
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> good you checked it
[23:41] <BUGabundo> always do
[23:41] <Carrie_> ok action I am downloading it
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> could ask in #qemu
[23:41] <BUGabundo> my rsync script does it for me
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> i use websearches ;)
[23:42] <BUGabundo> uploading http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-QEMU.png
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> generate md5sum, ask jeeves to see if he knows it and if you get hits you got it right
[23:43] <Carrie_> ok...
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: you could try disabling some of the virtual hardware in the vm
[23:43] <Carrie_> so I had to run "sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.44-pkg1.run"
[23:43] <BUGabundo> uploaded http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-QEMU.png
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: boot to recovery root console and run it
[23:44] <Carrie_> It says ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.
[23:44] <Carrie_> sorry I dont know what recovery root console is  *blush*
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: yes you cant have an x server running
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: reboot, press esc then select recovery mode
[23:44] <Carrie_> x server is the desktop right?
[23:44]  * Carrie_ blushes again
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: then select root
[23:44] <Carrie_> all that just to install a driver?
[23:44] <BUGabundo> bah compiz just blew
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> Carrie_: X server is what gnome runs on
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: its always blown
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> BUGabundo: ;)
[23:48] <Carrie_> ok i am going to reboot and try it then bb soon
[23:48] <Carrie_> oh wait before i go
[23:49] <Carrie_> when i reboot this thing my pc speaker lets out a loud screetching beep
[23:49] <Carrie_> any way to turn that off? :P
[23:49] <virtuald> carrie_: unplug it
[23:49] <Carrie_> har har
[23:49] <bjsnider> Carrie_, wait
[23:49] <Carrie_> yeah?
[23:50] <bjsnider> ok, before you go pooching your system by using the nvidia installer, what isthe problem?
[23:50] <Carrie_> bad screen tearing
[23:50] <Carrie_> when moving windows around
[23:50] <bjsnider> during what?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: please DON'T use nvidia site installer!
[23:50] <bjsnider> desktop, or movie playback?
[23:50] <Carrie_> during the movement of windows :)
[23:50] <Carrie_> just the normal desktop
[23:50] <bjsnider> ok, are you using the nvidia driver?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: have you tried to disable vsync?
[23:51] <Carrie_> i tried disabling visual effects and it didn't change
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> wow do people still say pooch?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: please pastebin /etc/X1/xorg.conf
[23:51] <Carrie_> When i first started ubuntu a little thing popped up in the corner and it let me download the drivers for it
[23:51] <ellar> hello, seems i have lost sound on my thinkpad t21. Is there any "standard" procedure i can follow to restore it? Can anyone help? I have already checked if the controls are muted and my soundcard seems ok because the only sound i can hear is on shutdown via gnome-user-switch. Help appreciated!
[23:51] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: did you log out and login again?
[23:51] <bjsnider> Carrie_, try the administration menu. is nvidia-settings there? if so,start it
[23:51] <Carrie_> BUG, ok.. but I think i might have just messed up that file by doing "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[23:52] <Carrie_> bug, yeah of course lol
[23:52] <Carrie_> bj, nvidia-settings comes up under preferences->display now
[23:52] <bjsnider> good, start it
[23:52] <Carrie_> hang on let me paste xorg.conf for bug first
[23:52] <Carrie_> dont go too fast guys i'm really new to this
[23:53] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: please use TAB to autocomplete my nick, or I may not read your replies
[23:53] <Carrie_> BUGabundo: oh ok sorry
[23:53] <bjsnider> click on opengl settings, then check "sync to vblank"
[23:53] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: eheh
[23:53] <Carrie_> OMG HOLD ON! lol
[23:53] <bjsnider> install compiz-config settings manager
[23:54] <Carrie_> http://pastebin.com/m384cb48a
[23:54] <Carrie_> there!
[23:54] <Carrie_> ok.. now.. loading the settings thingy
[23:54] <bjsnider> open it, click general options, display settings, check "sync to vblank"
[23:55] <Carrie_> i dont have a 'general options'
[23:55] <Carrie_> or 'display settings' :P
[23:55] <bjsnider> your xorg.conf is fine
[23:55] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: also install fusion-icon
[23:55] <bjsnider> see previosu messages
[23:55] <BUGabundo> it makes it much easier to set compiz and settings
[23:55] <Carrie_> hmm
[23:55] <BUGabundo> xorg seems fine
[23:56] <Carrie_> ok hang on i will go see if i can install that compiz config thingy
[23:56] <Carrie_> bjsnider: hmm i don't have that
[23:56] <Carrie_> bjsnider: I have "Desktop Effects - Compiz Setup"
[23:56] <Carrie_> bjsnider: is that it?
[23:56] <bjsnider> no
[23:56] <Carrie_> :(
[23:57] <Carrie_> I fail at this
[23:57] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:57] <Carrie_> I can't use the little add/remove thingy?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install fusion-icon
[23:57] <BUGabundo> Carrie_: its faster to use bash
[23:57] <bjsnider> she won't need fusion icon after this
[23:58] <Carrie_> what is fusion icon?
[23:58] <bjsnider> she won't be switching back to metacity
[23:58] <Carrie_> oh wait.. i also have "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings (ccsm)"
[23:58] <bjsnider> never mind just run that command
[23:58] <Carrie_> is that it?
[23:58] <Carrie_> "This package contains the compizconfig settings manager."
[23:58] <Carrie_> yeah!
[23:58] <Carrie_> can I just install this?
[23:58] <bjsnider> try it
[23:59] <bjsnider> yes
[23:59] <bjsnider> do it now
[23:59] <BUGabundo> qemu bug... use kvm !!!
[23:59] <bjsnider> or the earth will explode
[23:59] <Carrie_> ok installing
[23:59] <Carrie_> ok it is started
[23:59] <bjsnider> you can findit in system>preferences
[23:59] <bjsnider> open it, click general options, display settings, check "sync to vblank"
[23:59]  * BUGabundo loves gnome-do


[02:04] <ToyKeeper> I thought automatic builds were turned off...  why did 54 build so soon after 53?
[02:04] <ToyKeeper> (so soon afterward that I wonder if it was building in parallel)
[02:05] <ToyKeeper> Looks like a new device tarball went into 54.
[02:08] <ToyKeeper> If my guess is correct, there will be another soon for a new custom tarball?
[08:34] <dbarth> hey there
[08:35] <dbarth> o/ trainguards: could i have a new silo for line 86 please ?
[08:37] <seb128> shrug
[08:37] <sil2100> dbarth: on it
[08:37] <seb128> those langpack manual uploads are buggy
[08:38] <seb128> how have they been made?
[08:39] <sil2100> seb128: from the first wily export - I copied the .po files from there to the package contents
[08:39] <dbarth> thanks
[08:39] <seb128> sil2100, yeah, well that's buggy
[08:40] <seb128> that's assuming that wily has the changes from the overlay
[08:40] <sil2100> seb128: yes, isn't that the case for all our touch packages?
[08:40] <seb128> sil2100, dunno, but you regressed translations
[08:40] <sil2100> seb128: which apps have regressions? I can try manually resolving them then
[08:41] <seb128> like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/211135761/language-pack-touch-es_1%3A15.04%2B20150608.2_1%3A15.04%2B20150708.diff.gz
[08:41] <seb128> the "Got it" strings from dialer/messaging got removed
[08:41] <seb128> with the other ones from the tutorial
[08:42] <sil2100> In theory that should not have happened, as wily and overlay have the same messaging-app version
[08:42] <sil2100> Same for dialer
[08:42] <seb128> sil2100, that "let's fix that one string" approach doesn't give confidence in us having an handle on why we regressed strings and which other ones might have the same issue
[08:42] <seb128> right
[08:42] <seb128> in theory
[08:42] <seb128> in practice it happened
[08:42] <sil2100> So either the LP export does something funny or I don't know...
[08:43] <seb128> and I think we should understand why
[08:43] <sil2100> Definitely
[08:43] <seb128> rather than patching those specific examples
[08:43] <sil2100> In this case I suppose there's too many cases to actually patch them up manually anyway, hm
[08:43] <seb128> what happened to the ppa vs derived distro discussion?
[08:44] <sil2100> seb128: Victor poked me yesterday night already about a similar case in webbrowser-app, where on the LP webpage a specific string was available, but the export didn't have it
[08:44] <sil2100> seb128: we're staying with the overlay and the LP team has a solution for the translations, but it won't be available for OTA-5 possibly
[08:44] <seb128> has that been discussed anywhere in public?
[08:45] <seb128> I'm interested in the discussion/suggested solution
[08:45] <seb128> but I didn't see anything about it
[08:45] <sil2100> No... there generally was no public discussion, Pat and Olli were the decisive party
[08:45] <sil2100> I only provided Pat with feedback I got from various people
[08:45] <seb128> k
[08:46] <seb128> shame those are not open discussions :-/
[08:46] <seb128> anyway
[08:46] <seb128> it's not an export issue
[08:46] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/dialer-app/+pots/dialer-app/fr/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Got+it
[08:46] <seb128> the wily template doesn't have the string
[08:46] <sil2100> I wonder why, since they have the exact same version
[08:48] <sil2100> I don't have enough knowledge of how translations in LP work, maybe we should call in someone from the LP team for help?
[08:49] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+source/dialer-app/+imports
[08:49] <seb128> it's approved, but not imported
[08:50] <seb128> k, I asked on #ubuntu-devel
[08:51] <ogra_> sil2100, do you know if not having a date in the today scope is wanted ?
[08:51] <ogra_> or is that a bug
[08:51] <sil2100> No idea
[08:51] <sil2100> seb128: ah, so that's the reason then
[08:51] <seb128> yes
[08:52] <seb128> import not enabled
[08:52] <sil2100> Same for webbrowser-app I see ;/
[08:52] <sil2100> Well, we anyway wanted to prepare a re-spin with missing translations
[08:53] <seb128> how do you plan to catch missing translations?
[08:53]  * seb128 is interested on how we could do that
[08:53] <seb128> because I've no clue ;-)
[08:55] <sil2100> hah, well, there's Victor that always scans the core apps for missing translations for es... but yeah, there's no real way to check all of the languages and packages
[08:55] <sil2100> We simply knew that we couldn't get some translations on time anyway
[08:56] <sil2100> For things that landed yesterday night for instance
[08:56] <seb128> well, there is a different between not getting some and regressing some we had
[08:56] <sil2100> So a re-spin was in order anyway
[08:56] <sil2100> Indeed, I prepared those on a silo and Victor gave it a spin
[08:56] <sil2100> And noticed only a few things missing
[08:57] <sil2100> Anyway, it was all done really at the last minute, as the LP export took much longer than I expected
[09:11] <ogra_> sil2100, hmm, my krillin has a date in the today scope, my arale doesnt
[09:11] <ogra_> davmor2, ^^^ you had the same issue, do you have the date widget on your krillin ?
[09:12] <ogra_> there is definitely somethin wrong here
[09:13] <davmor2> ogra_: talk to penk
[09:15] <davmor2> ogra_: phone are currently reflashing to start roaming tests
[09:16] <ogra_> ah
[09:24] <pstolowski_> seb128, ping
[09:25] <seb128> pstolowski_, hey, ping with context is better
[09:25] <pstolowski_> ;)
[09:25] <pstolowski_> seb128, about yesterday's failures on arm64 - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/210999339/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-arm64.unity-scopes-api_0.6.19%2B15.10.20150706.1-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:25] <seb128> yes?
[09:26] <pstolowski_> seb128, can you or somebody else check for me if that box has filesystem other than ext4 for the build dir?
[09:26] <seb128> cjwatson, ^ maybe you can help there?
[09:26] <seb128> pstolowski_, I've no idea about that
[09:28] <pstolowski_> seb128, sure, np
[09:35] <cjwatson> seb128: only infinity knows the exact setup there, unless it's made evident by some build
[09:35] <cjwatson> I would be surprised if it weren't ext4 though
[09:37] <pstolowski_> cjwatson, any chance it would still be ext3? i'm debugging a test failure which relies on nanosecond prevision for filetimestamps (which is unsupported on <ext4) and cannot reproduce the failure on porter arm64 box which has ext4. ext3 on the build machine could explain the failure
[09:37] <cjwatson> pstolowski_: I think it's unlikely, but infinity could tell you.
[09:37] <pstolowski_> cjwatson, k, thanks
[09:42] <davmor2> sil2100: can you do the magic on the device tarball to make the ticket appear while I go test it ta
[09:49] <sil2100> davmor2: ok!
[09:50] <sil2100> davmor2: hm, is it approved already?
[09:50] <sil2100> davmor2: it's this one, right? http://people.canonical.com/~alextu/tangxi/master/device_arale-20150709-8965e37.changes
[09:51] <davmor2> sil2100: no I'm just testing it now
[09:51] <sil2100> Ok, someone set it to 'Granted' already, switching back
[10:45] <sil2100> rvr: hey! Don't test translations for now ;)
[10:52] <jibel> ogra_, did you file a bug for the missing date widget on arale?
[10:52] <ogra_> jibel, penk just told me in the other channel that there is a fix to land before the OTA, so i didnt bother
[10:52] <ogra_> (seems the tarball is already being tested by them)
[10:52] <jibel> ogra_, okay, thanks
[11:09] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, rvr: custom tarballs ready!
[11:10] <sil2100> brb
[11:18] <jibel> why do I receive update notification twice?
[11:19] <ogra_> i had that before
[11:19] <ogra_> but it stopped again
[11:24] <jibel> it seems like an indicator-message issue, push client received a single notification
[11:35] <jibel> sil2100, will you update the translations, some strings in unity8 are not translated (Restart & Install for example)
[12:28] <greyback> trainguards: hey, there's a few old packages in silo0 I'd like removed, who has the permissions to do that?
[12:30] <sil2100> jibel: yes, as mentioned  to rvr translations are broken
[12:30] <sil2100> So please don't test those yet...
[12:30] <sil2100> jibel: we had a whole big discussion on #ubuntu-devel, wily didn't have all the required automation setup by accident...
[12:30] <sil2100> So strings weren't auto-imported
[12:31] <greyback> wat
[12:32] <jibel> sil2100, ok, I didn't read devel
[12:35] <Mirv> greyback: we do
[12:35] <sil2100> greyback: ah, sorry, missed your ping since I'm in the middle of cooking
[12:36] <sil2100> It's as Mirv said ;)
[12:36] <sil2100> greyback: which packages do you want removed?
[12:36] <Mirv> greyback: libevdev, qtubuntu ... ?
[12:37] <greyback> Mirv: everything that hasn't been rebuild recently: libevdev, qtubuntu, qtsystems-opensource-src ubuntu-keyboard unity-api
[12:37] <greyback> sil2100: no worries, don't burn your food!
[12:38] <Mirv> greyback: done
[12:38] <greyback> Mirv: thanks!
[12:38] <Mirv> np
[13:23] <oSoMoN> trainguards: I’m going to want to publish silo 8 (which was targetted at a dual landing) to wily only, do I need to update the spreadsheet and reconfigure?
[13:38] <boiko> trainguards: can I get a silo assigned to row 88?
[13:39] <sil2100> oSoMoN: no, we can simply remove the vivid parts from the silo and publish
[13:40] <oSoMoN> sil2100, great, I’ll let you know once it’s ready, hopefully within the next 30min or so
[13:42] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ok :)
[13:42] <sil2100> boiko: on it
[13:42] <boiko> sil2100: nice! thanks!
[13:55] <dbarth> o/ trainguards: could i have a new silo for line 86 please ?
[13:56] <sil2100> dbarth: sure! Do you want that to be a dual landing?
[13:56] <sil2100> Since we won't be able to release both wily and vivid this week then
[13:57] <sil2100> We can always release only wily in a dual landing, but just want to know if you want that extra manual step
[14:05] <dbarth> sil2100: yes, please
[14:05] <dbarth> ie, dual, but i don't mind the xtra manual step next week
[14:05] <dbarth> when the landing window reopens
[14:08] <sil2100> k
[14:13] <sil2100> hmmm
[14:14] <sil2100> dbarth: so...
[14:14] <sil2100> We might have a problem
[14:15] <sil2100> dbarth: could you push directly to trunk a commit with the debian/changelog?
[14:16] <sil2100> dbarth: since I the train does not allow releasing something that doesn't originally have debian/changelog in trunk
[14:18] <sil2100> (a bit of a strange error)
[14:23] <dbarth> sil2100: let me check with mardy for that part
[14:33] <pmcgowan> dbarth, I assume we have not landed oxide 1.8?
[14:34] <sil2100> No, the silo is still there...
[14:37] <dbarth> it's not, but it's tested, just that there isn't a more recent build
[14:37] <pstolowski> hey trainguards, may i ask for a silo for line #90? (it's ok if it waits till gates are open again)
[14:37] <dbarth> pmcgowan: ^^
[14:38] <dbarth> is ci/qa still open for that one?
[14:39] <pmcgowan> dbarth, nope missed the train
[14:39] <sil2100> A train pun!
[14:41] <dbarth> hmm :/
[14:41] <sil2100> pstolowski: on it
[14:42] <pstolowski> thanks!
[14:51] <boiko> sil2100: could you please trigger a rebuild of telephony-service from silo 002 for the ppc64el arch? there is a test failure that happens 1/10 of the time due to a (not yet figured out) crash in the telepathy mocks
[14:53] <mvo> hey trainguards - silly question - I have a click update that only changes the click chroot in landing-045. how is the QA signoff handled for that? I tested it on my BQ device and noticed no regressions what is the next step before I can publish?
[14:54] <sil2100> boiko: sure
[14:55] <sil2100> boiko: re-ran it now
[14:56] <sil2100> mvo: I  guess QA can decide that no testing is needed and just approve it, but we have the gates closed right now due to OTA-5
[14:57] <mvo> sil2100: I see, thats fine. I guess it can stay as ready in there for now, I will update the bugreport
[14:57] <mvo> (well, fine with me in any case)
[14:57] <mvo> thanks!
[15:16] <pmcgowan> mvo, sil2100 drat i thought that landed
[15:16] <sil2100> Was that required?
[15:17] <pmcgowan> we should have had it some time ago
[15:18] <kenvandine> sil2100, does the train have a way to dual land packages that aren't from bzr?
[15:19] <sil2100> kenvandine: sadly no...
[15:20] <kenvandine> renatu, bfiller: i think we need to do a wily landing for line 91 then a sync to vivid
[15:20] <kenvandine> for this time
[15:20] <sil2100> kenvandine: the train disallows that - it not allow assigning a silo like that...
[15:20] <mvo> pmcgowan: its low risk, all code changes are in the chroot.py, sorry that it did not land earlier, I am not familiar with the current qa processes :/
[15:20] <sil2100> kenvandine: and besides, dual landing is like syncing, it only works on CI Trained version numbers
[15:21] <mvo> pmcgowan: is there a alternative? like only release it for the users of the sdk ?
[15:21] <bfiller> kenvandine: ok
[15:22] <pmcgowan> mvo, maybe I am confused, do we only need that on the developer desktop, or also on the image
[15:22]  * sil2100 gently pokes ogra_
[15:23] <kenvandine> sil2100, one more question... can the silo land new packages?  no previous version in the archive?
[15:23] <sil2100> kenvandine: yes, the train allows that - but as I noticed today, the current code requires the debian/changelog already present on the target trunk
[15:24] <sil2100> So, you would have to prepare the packaging beforehand, have it in trunk and then release it through the train with an empty merge, for instance
[15:25] <kenvandine> renatu, ^^
[15:25] <pmcgowan> mvo, ?
[15:26] <kenvandine> renatu, so go ahead and merge your initial branch into trunk
[15:26] <kenvandine> then create an empty merge proposal
[15:26] <mvo> pmcgowan: hmm, so there are two parts, the chroot change so that the sdk can build a chroot for ubuntu-sdk-15.10-dev1. that is part of this MP. the other part is the updated meta package, that happend in wily, let me find the upload
[15:27] <renatu> sil2100, could I have a empty project and a initial MR with all code, instead?
[15:27] <mvo> pmcgowan: that was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/1.230
[15:27] <pmcgowan> mvo, but which part is needed on the phone itself
[15:28] <renatu> sil2100, will be easy to review
[15:28] <sil2100> renatu: sadly no... I thought that worked in the past, but now it needs to have the debian/changelog file in place at least
[15:28] <pmcgowan> the chroot change should go into the sdk ppa I'd think
[15:28] <pmcgowan> mvo
[15:28] <sil2100> Not sure if there are any other requirements ;/
[15:28] <mvo> pmcgowan: the later (the ubuntu-touch-meta) upload
[15:29] <pmcgowan> mvo, ok so thats all we care about here
[15:29] <mvo> pmcgowan: sorry, I am not sure what the process is for a change like this, should this be directly uploaded to the overlay ppa? or land via a train package upload? or something else?
[15:29] <pmcgowan> mvo, at this point we land the meta package change when the gates open, and the chroot change can then go to the sdk ppa
[15:30] <mvo> pmcgowan: ok
[15:31] <renatu> sil2100, kenvandine, Is ok to merge only the debian dir for now. And create a new mr with all the code?
[15:31] <sil2100> renatu: I think that would work
[15:31] <renatu> sil2100, ok nice
[15:31] <sil2100> renatu: sorry for the trouble
[15:32] <renatu> sil2100, np
[15:43] <seb128> shrug
[15:43] <seb128> current rc image (62) doesn't show me the sim-switcher header on dialer/messaging
[15:53] <pmcgowan> sil2100, do we have a translation fix needed per sebs email?
[15:54] <seb128> pmcgowan, yes, we discussed that earlier, the langpacks updates are buggy
[15:55] <seb128> pmcgowan, wily templates import were not enabled, so it means wily didn't had the new string, which means the export are incomplete, they even regressed the strings we manually patched for the previous ota
[15:55] <pmcgowan> seb128, ok so someone is rectifying I take it?
[15:56] <seb128> pmcgowan, yes, launchpad team enabled the imports, things are being imported as we speak
[15:56] <seb128> then we need a new export
[15:56] <seb128> then langpack updates with that export
[15:56] <pmcgowan> ack
[15:56] <pmcgowan> seb128, btw I see the sim switcher here
[15:56] <seb128> we really need a better way to see translations issues
[15:57] <pmcgowan> seb128, any ideas on that?
[15:57] <seb128> rather than "wait for some user to report a bug about a string missing"
[15:57] <seb128> not really no :-/
[15:58] <seb128> maybe step 1 would be to encourage are non english speaker devs to test the device is their locale rather than english
[16:00] <pmcgowan> seb128,  is there a programmatic way to detect missing translations?
[16:00] <seb128> not really
[16:01] <seb128> there is no automatic way to tell if a string should be translated or not
[16:02] <seb128> like "ubuntu" shouldn't be translated
[16:02] <seb128> but we don't really have a rule/way to say what is a brand/tech word to not translate/...
[16:03] <seb128> I guess we could have tools/script to verify the state of things though
[16:03] <pmcgowan> I see
[16:03] <seb128> like fetch the source/update the template/download the launchpad one/compare the number of strings translatable
[16:04] <seb128> to verify that we don't have launchpad template lagging behind
[16:08] <robru> john-mcaleely: http://requests.ci-train.staging.ubuntu.com/#?q=john lol, 15 identical records? what happened there?
[16:08] <cjwatson> seb128: "ubuntu" shouldn't be translated> you sure of that example? :-)
[16:09] <seb128> lol
[16:09] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributionDefaultsAndBranding#Notes_on_branding_translations
[16:09] <seb128> learning every day ;-)
[16:09] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[16:10] <cjwatson> (agreed in general though)
[16:11] <cjwatson> export is currently waiting for webops vanguard to have a moment
[16:12] <john-mcaleely> robru, I believe I was given an error message
[16:12] <john-mcaleely> or, actually, no
[16:12] <john-mcaleely> no feedback at all
[16:12] <john-mcaleely> I concluded that this was not designed for device-tarball landings yet
[16:13] <john-mcaleely> and decided not to bother you about that :-) robru
[16:13] <john-mcaleely> I speculate that my input to 'name of assigned silo' was confusing
[16:14] <john-mcaleely> ('cos I couldn't even see the end of that string...)
[16:15] <john-mcaleely> I'm amazed I tried 15 times :-) but I certainly tried a few
[16:17] <robru> john-mcaleely: were you typing in 'Landed' to the status field every time?
[16:19] <robru> john-mcaleely: because 'Landed' landings are hidden by default, 'Landed' means 'this is totally done, ignore it'
[16:19] <john-mcaleely> well, I don't think I typed it more than once
[16:19] <john-mcaleely> that was the odd part - it just 'did nothing' when i hit save
[16:20] <john-mcaleely> I did select landing from a menu of options presented to me
[16:20] <john-mcaleely> landed, sorry
[16:21] <robru> john-mcaleely: yeah, 'did nothing' means "it saved the record and then didn't display it because Landed landings are hidden by default."
[16:21] <john-mcaleely> robru, that has a certain logic to it
[16:21] <john-mcaleely> in a fail sort of way :-)
[16:21] <robru> john-mcaleely: I'll put in a check so that new records can't be "Landed"
[16:22] <robru> john-mcaleely: well we need to hide Landed landings, otherwise the list will be huge and never stop growing.
[16:22] <john-mcaleely> I'm sure
[16:28] <popey> sil2100: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1471609
[16:38] <robru> john-mcaleely: ok if you try it now you should find that new records show up.
[16:40] <sil2100> popey: thanks!
[16:43] <john-mcaleely> robru, ok, so there is a box 'status', which offers the dropdown 'abandonded' or 'landed'. I now know 'landed' is wrong.
[16:43] <john-mcaleely> abandonded also feels wrong
[16:43] <john-mcaleely> why is this a box?
[16:43] <john-mcaleely> what do I put there
[16:44] <robru> john-mcaleely: for clicks and tarballs probably nothing. For the most part that box is set automatically by jenkins, but clicks & tarballs don't use jenkins, so there's not much really to say. You'd set it to 'Landed' after the request is completed and no longer relevant.
[16:45] <sil2100> pmcgowan: yeah, everything is known and in progress
[16:45] <sil2100> cjwatson: is the LP export that's visible on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+language-packs the correct one?
[16:45] <sil2100> cjwatson: with the new imports?
[16:45] <robru> john-mcaleely: it's a free form text box, Landed and Abandoned are just suggestions. Feel free to write 'hey this needs to be tested for the next image' or whatever you like in there.
[16:46] <robru> john-mcaleely: if you leave it blank it actually defaults to 'New'
[16:46] <john-mcaleely> robru, ah, thats not very obvious from the UI
[16:47] <john-mcaleely> anyway, I think I just made a device tarball request
[16:47] <robru> john-mcaleely: yeah sorry, some growing pains. Right now all the fields are free-form text to mimic the freedom we had with spreadsheet cells.
[16:47] <john-mcaleely> makes some sense
[16:48] <robru> john-mcaleely: seems reasonable. You don't have to specify 'dual' or 'stable-phone-overlay' or anything. Those don't hurt, but they're only used by jenkins, irrelevant to what you're doing there.
[16:48] <john-mcaleely> I see, ok.
[16:51] <cjwatson> sil2100: sadly that was from before most of the pot imports
[16:51] <sil2100> :<
[16:51] <cjwatson> or rather started before them so I would guess has not picked them up
[16:51] <cjwatson> ICBW, you could live dangerously, but I'm sceptical
[16:51] <sil2100> cjwatson: can we have a new export happening now? Since the imports finished, right?
[16:52] <john-mcaleely> ah yes, I see
[16:52] <sil2100> cjwatson: could you trigger one now? :)
[16:52] <sil2100> I need to fix what I broke
[16:53] <cjwatson> sil2100: I can't do it personally, I've been trying to find a sysadmin
[16:53] <cjwatson> trying a GSA at the moment
[16:56] <cjwatson> sil2100: ok, it's running now, but I can't say how long it'll take
[16:56] <sil2100> cjwatson: thank you!
[16:56] <cjwatson> and will not be around to check, so you're probably best to just poll https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+language-packs occasionally
[16:56] <sil2100> I'll try being around when it happens
[16:56] <cjwatson> (not like the logs tell me much other than started/stopped anyway)
[17:03] <robru> john-mcaleely: looks good
[18:32] <robru> fginther: hey, you around? I'd like to test your branch out shortly.
[18:33] <fginther> robru, I'm here
[18:33] <robru> fginther: is your jenkins branch in a usable state? ready for me?
[18:35] <fginther> robru, it is
[18:35] <robru> fginther: sweet. Ok I'm mid-deploy with a mojo spec that only deletes /var/lib/jenkins/secret*
[18:35] <robru> fginther: will test yours in a couple minutes.
[18:36] <fginther> robru, probably requires one change to your mojo spec. "volume-ephemeral-storage: False" must be defined in the services file
[18:36] <robru> fginther: ok, thanks.
[18:36] <robru> fginther: does that prevent the initial install hook from doing anything to the ephemeral storage?
[18:37] <fginther> robru, yes, it blocks the install hook from proceeding until nova storage is attached, it will not install to the ephemeral disk
[18:37] <robru> fginther: sounds great
[18:38] <Mirv> sil2100: we're correcting the UITK wily proposed thing with zoltan, and it'll probably need to be dual released (only changes is ubuntu-keyboard-autopilot dependency change to be armhf i386 amd64 only)
[18:38] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, no other changes? In that case it should be fine :)
[18:39] <Mirv> sil2100: yes, just http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/landing_2015-06-26/revision/1547
[18:41] <robru> bzoltan_: did you get the memo about being able to assign your own silos yet?
[18:45] <oSoMoN> trainguards: silo 8 is now ready for landing in wily only, can you please delete the vivid packages and do the publication dance?
[18:45] <robru> oSoMoN: on it
[18:45] <sil2100> ...ok, robru's on it :)
[18:45] <sil2100> o/
[18:46] <robru> oSoMoN: ok deleted, just mark the spreadsheet as ready to publish and I'll publish
[18:46] <robru> sil2100: goodnight!
[18:46] <sil2100> Not yet!
[18:46] <sil2100> Just waving for no particular reason
[18:47] <sil2100> I still need to finish those translations...
[18:47] <robru> sil2100: welcome back!
[18:47] <oSoMoN> robru, done
[18:47] <robru> oSoMoN: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/desktop-tabs-prototype/+merge/262358 just need this top approved
[18:48] <oSoMoN> oh, right, let me do that now
[18:48] <oSoMoN> done
[18:51] <robru> boiko: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-002-2-publish/110/console need some merges approved
[18:52] <boiko> robru: ouch! let me handle that
[18:55] <boiko> robru: fixed
[18:55] <robru> boiko: publishing
[18:56] <boiko> robru: thanks!
[18:56] <robru> boiko: you're welcome
[19:36] <dobey> whee, wily-proposed is broken with gnutls again i guess :(
[19:44] <bfiller> robru: silo 35 can be deleted
[19:44] <robru> bfiller: thanks
[21:04] <fginther> AlbertA, is this dependency failure a known issue? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-clang-wily-amd64-build/651/console
[21:06] <AlbertA> fginther: no
[21:20] <fginther> AlbertA, well prior to hitting that failure, my plan was to create a mir-clang-ts-wily-amd64-build to perform the thread-sanitizaer build
[21:20] <fginther> AlbertA, so this would run in parallel to mir-clang-wily-amd64-build
[21:27] <AlbertA> fginther: ok
[21:27] <AlbertA> fginther: sounds good
[21:29] <AlbertA> fginther: yeah we are started to see that failure today, only in the clang job: https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/fix-1471858/+merge/264279
[21:31] <fginther> AlbertA, hunh, I was assume that some dependency was still stuck in proposed or something, will have to inspect this directly for the un-installable package :-(
[21:31] <fginther> AlbertA, should have some idea on this today
[21:32] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, ToyKeeper: preparing the fixed translations, language export finished
[21:53] <fginther> AlbertA, Here's the trouble - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11851858/
[21:53] <fginther> AlbertA, manually installing systemd to update it to 222-1 solves the problem
[21:53] <fginther> AlbertA, No idea why apt can't figure it out
[21:54] <fginther> (then again, I don't really know how apt-works so...)
[21:57] <AlbertA> fginther: ack
[22:21] <sil2100> New langpacks uploaded, building
[22:59] <sil2100> jibel, rvr, davmor2, ToyKeeper: I kicked a new image with the 'hopefully' fixed translations
[22:59] <sil2100> From what I checked those look fine this time
[22:59] <ToyKeeper> sil2100: Which device/channel, and what's the expected bulid number?
[23:00] <sil2100> rc-proposed for all devices, the image number should be 64 for krillin and 57 for arale
[23:00] <ToyKeeper> Okay, thanks!
[23:15] <sil2100> Thanks!
[23:15] <sil2100> Goodnight!


[15:59] <jamespage> o/
[16:00] <beisner> o/ hi
[16:00] <rbasak> o/
[16:00] <smb> \o
[16:00] <jamespage> #startmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 26 16:00:43 2015 UTC.  The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:00] <jamespage> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:00] <jamespage> apparently none so that's good
[16:01] <jamespage> #topic wily development
[16:01] <jamespage> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <matsubara> o/
[16:01] <jamespage> apparently we're right ontop of feature definition freeze, which means we should all be working to get our blueprints into shape so that we know what 15.10 is going to mean in terms of new stuff
[16:02] <rharper> o/
[16:02] <jamespage> (28th May)
[16:02] <jamespage> I'm assuming everyone is familiar with the blueprint template?
[16:02] <jamespage> if not
[16:02] <jamespage> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BlueprintSpec
[16:02] <jamespage> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:02] <jamespage> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:03] <jamespage> hmm that appears to be empty
[16:03] <jamespage> are we expecting that report to work?
[16:03]  * jamespage shrugs
[16:04] <arges> o//
[16:04] <jamespage> anyway - not reviewing blueprints today due to point in cycle
[16:04] <jamespage> hey arges!
[16:04] <arges> sorry i'm late
[16:04] <jamespage> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:04] <jamespage> no caribou today
[16:04] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:05] <jamespage> matsubara, you're up :)
[16:05] <matsubara> Some trusty smoke tests failed due to a disk space issue in the vm the tests run. It's in my todo list to take a look at that and get them going again
[16:05] <jamespage> we'll circle back to caribou
[16:05] <matsubara> other than that I have nothing else to report
[16:05] <matsubara> jamespage, ^
[16:05] <jamespage> any questions for matsubara ?
[16:06] <jamespage> nope ok - thanks matsubara
[16:06] <jamespage> caribou,
[16:06] <jamespage> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:06] <caribou> sorry for being late; network issues
[16:06] <caribou> nothing particular, aside from some squid-deb-proxy upstart changes that might impact maas
[16:07] <caribou> but kind of OT for this meeting
[16:07] <jamespage> fine
[16:07] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:07] <smb> Heya, I have one thing I wanted to mention:
[16:07] <smb> We have done a lot of hammering bcache with the 3.13 kernel and were
[16:07] <smb> unable to see any of those lockups/hangs we were hearing about. The
[16:07] <smb> only guess right now is that those hangs may be related to the use
[16:07] <smb> of NVMe drives as cache. And even that may require certain revisions
[16:07] <smb> of the HW / FW. So we cannot support the claim that bcache on a 3.13
[16:07] <smb> kernel has runtime issues. I anyone thinks there is one, please file
[16:07] <smb> bug reports with proper detail about used hardware, setup, and usage.
[16:07] <smb> That be all for today  :)
[16:07]  * jamespage looks sheepish
[16:07] <jamespage> thanks smb
[16:08] <jamespage> good to know its getting some exercise
[16:08] <jamespage> I think we need to circle back to the lab where that issue was seen - later testing was done with HWE kernels
[16:08] <jamespage> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:09] <jamespage> anyone going anywhere good?
[16:09] <jamespage> OpenStack summit last week was well attended by Ubuntu folks....
[16:10] <jamespage> #topic Open Discussion
[16:10] <jamespage> anyone have anything they want to raise?
[16:12] <jamespage> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:12] <jamespage> same time next week
[16:12] <jamespage> 2nd June 1600 UTC
[16:12] <jamespage> see you then
[16:12] <jamespage> #endmeeting
[16:12] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 26 16:12:38 2015 UTC.
[16:12] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-05-26-16.00.moin.txt
[16:13] <caribou> jamespage: thanks!
[16:16] <arosales> jamespage, thanks for chairing
[16:22] <jamespage> np
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 26 17:00:08 2015 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Wily
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <smb> o\
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Wily Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> We are still tracking the 4.0.x stable series on wily master-next.
[17:01] <ogasawara> We're currently rebased to 4.0.4 and still sorting DKMS testing.  We
[17:01] <ogasawara> will shoot for an official upload to Wily in the next few weeks.
[17:01] <ogasawara> Tracking of the 4.1 series is taking place in our unstable git repo on
[17:01] <ogasawara> kernel.ubuntu.com.
[17:01] <ogasawara> -----
[17:01] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WileyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[17:01] <ogasawara> I'll pull out relevant dates for next week's meeting.
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:02] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-cves.html
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Trusty/Utopic/Vivid (henrix)
[17:03] <henrix> Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:03] <henrix>   * Precise - Prep
[17:03] <henrix>   *  Trusty - Prep
[17:03] <henrix>   *  Utopic - Prep
[17:03] <henrix>   *  Vivid  - Prep
[17:03] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <henrix>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <henrix> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <henrix>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix> Schedule:
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix> cycle: 23-May through 13-Jun
[17:04] <henrix> [17:04] <henrix>          22-May   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:04] <henrix> 24-May - 30-May   Kernel prep week.
[17:04] <henrix> 31-May - 13-Jun   Bug verification; Regression testing; Release
[17:04] <henrix>
[17:04] <henrix> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 26 17:05:15 2015 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-05-26-17.00.moin.txt
[17:05] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury


[01:43] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will need some help getting the desktop images tested. I been going 12 hours now, and still have all those tests to do. I can't do it tonight, will try to do some tomorrow.
[02:39] <TheMuso> Is there already a bug filed about ubiquity GTK crashing when one attempts to use the advanced partitioner?
[02:54] <TheMuso> Seems not, filing.
[10:31] <highvoltage> this is probably going to be the best edubuntu alpha release ever :)
[11:10] <brendand> jibel - ubiquity just crashed for me
[11:10] <brendand> jibel - using todays i386 desktop image
[11:11] <jibel> brendand, how does it crash ? bug number ?
[11:11] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha everyone
[11:11] <brendand> jibel - it says it was already reported. didn't show a bug number yet
[11:12] <brendand> bug 870463
[11:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 870463 in percona-projects-qa "d5-64-1 has problems (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870463
[11:12] <jibel> there is a known crash that didn't make it into a2 bug 912031
[11:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912031 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "ubiquity crashed with TypeError in partman_column_name(): argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 58)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912031
[11:12] <brendand> i guess that was wrong
[11:12] <jibel> hi MrChrisDruif
[11:12] <brendand> bug 870643
[11:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 870643 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "package flashplugin-downloader <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: wget: unable to resolve host address `archive.canonical.com' (affects: 40) (dups: 26) (heat: 282)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870643
[11:12] <brendand> this is the one ^ jibel
[11:13] <jibel> brendand, yeah, this is known and wont be fixed for A2
[11:13] <brendand> jibel - ah
[11:14] <jibel> brendand, there is a more general bug for this bug 876298
[11:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 876298 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available. (affects: 27) (dups: 15) (heat: 164)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298
[11:14] <jibel> brendand, did you install with a wired or wireless connection ?
[11:15] <brendand> wireless
[11:16] <MrChrisDruif> I've got an "bug" with Precise
[11:16] <MrChrisDruif> I heard that LightDM *should* use the users background in Precise?
[11:19] <jibel> brendand, that could be caused by bug 924998 too
[11:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 924998 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "no dns resolution when wireless connection is enabled by ubiquity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924998
[11:19] <brendand> MrChrisDuif - I think that might not be implemented yet
[11:20] <brendand> jibel - yeah, could be that too
[11:20] <brendand> i didn't get the same yesterday though
[11:20] <brendand> doesn't seem to be consistent
[11:22] <jibel> MrChrisDruif, I don't know how lightdm should behave with users' background. Did you ask on #ubuntu-bug or #ubuntu-desktop ?
[11:42] <MrChrisDruif> brendand; http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/lightdm-wallpaper-switching-lands-in-precise/
[11:44] <MrChrisDruif> That's how I learned about it
[14:21] <bladernr_> jibel:  ping
[14:22] <valdur55> Hello. Sound control in xubuntu, lubuntu is ugly.  Sound lowering causes sound mute and Sound mute button doesn't work and sound up is not working
[14:23] <valdur55> And there aren't visual feedbak for sound changing like in kde, gnome and unity... When i install gnome-settings-daeomon then keymap is OK and i get visual feedback
[14:32] <hggdh> anyone noticing OpenJDK (started via a Java plugin in the web browser) using a *LOT* of resident memory? Mine is, right now, at 780M
[14:34] <hggdh> so if you add 700M from Java to 500M from FFox plus 300M from thunderbird plus 250M from Chromium-browser... this is a lot of memory (res) in use
[14:36] <hggdh> oh. Add 130M from compiz
[14:54] <skaet> valdur55 - is there a bug number for the sound issue?
[14:54] <valdur55> dunno
[14:55] <valdur55> but there is many posts about those desktops sound control
[15:16] <valdur55> Should i make ticket for this sound issue?
[17:41] <skaet> we've got some new lubuntu desktop images posted - is there anyone around who can give them a quick test out to see if the issues have been sorted?
[19:49] <bdmurray> bladernr_: regarding bug 924437 I think part of it is an ubuntu-website bug and the other is won't fix.  Does that make sense to you?
[19:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 924437 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Welcome screen release notes link points to ubuntu.com (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924437
[20:10] <bladernr_> Yeah, it does... it's just a minor thing anyway
[20:11] <bladernr_> bdmurray:  ^^ my only real concern is "what if something in the release notes is necessary for $USER to install Ubuntu, but $USER does not have internet access while installing"
[20:12] <bladernr_> anyway, as I said, minor issue, I'm happy with what you and cjwatson had to say on the subject
[21:18] <phillw> Hi folks, I'm struggling a bit here. I pulled in the latest build for Lubuntu 12.04 from zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20120202/precise-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync and it refuses to 'see' my mouse on my Oracle VM Nachine. It has been working perfectly until now. Has anyone any experience of this happening?
[21:22] <jibel> Precise Alpha 2 is out!
[21:23] <jibel> thank you to utlemming, gruemaster, stgraber, bladernr, jr, lbsolost, patrickdk, fabiomarconi, jonathan, charlie-tca, ruvolof,
[21:23] <jibel> alessiogrossosgarrillo, mcblackmar02, fabrizioorsini, irihapeti, albrigha, astraljava, andymc73, angelabad, ogra,
[21:23] <jibel> paolorotolo, antonio-allegretti, gilir, len-ovenwerks, xdatap1, primes2h, linardv, hggdh2, moteprime, kanliot, dpolehn-gmail,
[21:23] <jibel> carla-sella, riccardoangelino, kate.stewart, palma-salvatore, kidsodateless, claudio.arseni, nobuto, apulido, themuso, tgm4883,
[21:23] <jibel> carlo-bottai, luigitanese, gridcube, kaiserclaudius and nskaggs,
[21:23] <jibel> Thanks you all for testing this great milestone !
[21:23] <Patrickdk> and thank you, respins :)
[21:24] <PaoloRotolo> jibel, thanks you :)
[21:25] <stgraber> jibel: thanks and congrats for finally becoming #1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers/top20 :)
[21:26] <PaoloRotolo> :D
[21:27] <jibel> 1 less achievement in life :D
[21:27]  * Patrickdk needs to test more respins to get on there :)
[21:28] <jibel> I think lubuntu people also really enjoy respins
[21:28] <Patrickdk> how many did they have?
[21:28] <Patrickdk> I think server had 6?
[21:29] <Patrickdk> oh, that is a fun error
[21:29] <phillw> jibel: respins are not my current favourite topic atm, the new one doesn't recognise the mouse on my VM :/
[21:29] <Patrickdk> click on my name, next to logout, and I get, Access Denied :)
[21:30] <stgraber> Patrickdk: yeah, we don't allow people modifying their Drupal profile
[21:31] <Patrickdk> oh is that what that is?
[21:31] <jibel> 6 respin too, but the last image is 4 hours old
[21:31] <stgraber> and there isn't an easy way to make Drupal drop the option from the UI ...
[21:32] <jibel> phillw, yeah, saw that with virtualbox. sounds like a bug in virtualbox, kvm is not affected
[21:32] <Patrickdk> ubuntu desktop?
[21:32] <phillw> jibel: I'm just rolling back to 20120201.1 to check.
[21:33] <phillw> they did some stuff with the unity bug for todays.
[22:06] <astraljava> Thanks, jibel! Especially for helping out with the tracker. :)
[22:28] <balloons> jibel es #1!
[22:28] <balloons> congrats good sir!
[22:31] <zzecool> Hello guy i have precise Alpha 1 installed  and right now my update manager ask me to remove almost the whole system  (unity  , nautilus , gnome shell ... all the libraries..... etc )  and only updates about 5 7 random packages....
[22:31] <zzecool> i know that alpha 2 is out
[22:32] <zzecool> but this doesnt sound right  if im gonna continue a bricked system is gonna be the fate
[22:32] <zzecool> any clue??
[22:38] <hggdh> zzecool: this is both expected, and extreme
[22:38] <zzecool> ?
[22:38] <zzecool> i didnt get it
[22:38] <hggdh> zzecool: depending on the status of the archive, you may get requests to remove part of the system -- and *right* now it is highly probable
[22:39] <zzecool> Yeah ok but  strange thing is that this doesnt happening on my testing virtual machine running precise...
[22:39] <hggdh> zzecool: remember this is development. As such, packages may land that require updates elsewhere. If these updates are not available, the package manager may suggest removals
[22:40] <zzecool> This isnt right
[22:40] <zzecool> wait
[22:40] <zzecool> ill paste bin
[22:40] <hggdh> zzecool: then the best option is to open a bug, and make sure you (1) explain well what happened, and
[22:40] <zzecool> to give you a better look
[22:41] <hggdh> zzecool: (2) you attach /var/log/apt/term.log and /var/log/apt/history.log
[22:43] <zzecool> http://pastebin.com/z9DenHan
[22:43] <zzecool> take a look here
[22:43] <hggdh> zzecool: I just tried a dist-upgrade now, and half of my system (Gnome/Unity/Sound) would be removed
[22:43] <zzecool> exactly
[22:43] <zzecool> !!!
[22:43] <zzecool> same problem here
[22:44] <hggdh> zzecool: yes. This is why we do not recommend to use apt-get
[22:44] <zzecool> same thing is happening with synaptic  , update manager or aptitude
[22:45] <hggdh> instead, use update-manager. If you are not careful with apt-get, you can get a good chunck of your system removed
[22:45] <hggdh> yes, it will be the same
[22:45] <zzecool> im  in #ubuntu+1  there are more ppl there with the same problem
[22:45] <hggdh> the archive is not yet fully updated with the co-reqs for these updates
[22:45] <zzecool> and searching for a solution
[22:45] <zzecool> ahhh hggdh  thank you very much
[22:47] <zzecool> i dont know what co-reqs is
[22:47] <zzecool> but i feel its like mirrors are not fully update or something like that
[22:50] <phillw> agg, it's already hit the lubuntu mailing list.
[23:35] <phillw> zzecool: I've just dug this thread up from our lubuntu testing area and emailed it our mailing list... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479146 It wasn't specifically written for me, but I've been there, done it & got the 'Tee-Shirt' a few releases ago. hope it is informative.
[23:37] <zzecool> let me check
[23:38] <zzecool> ohh yes phillw  i allrdy read about it before
[23:39] <zzecool> thank you though :)


[03:39] <Dylan_> No like I run it with java
[03:39] <Dylan_> And like it shows a white screen and I can't get into it
[03:51] <lpotter> use the java from oracle