[00:00] <cjohnston> awe: looks like restarting NM fixed it today!
[00:00] <awe> nice
[00:01] <cjohnston> awe: if your typing in terminal, do you see the text disappear at times?
[00:02] <awe> cjohnston, I don't use the terminal all that much, I prefer to adb into the device
[00:03] <awe> on my desktop when text disappears, I blame compiz
[00:03] <cjohnston> lol
[00:03] <cjohnston> I play with terminal on the device every once in a while (read when I'm too lazy to find a cable)
[00:12] <elkng> cjohnston: you and "sjohnson" are same person ?
[00:12] <cjohnston> no
[00:20] <chrisd_> is there a way to kill sidstage from the commnad line, i tried opening the phone on a nexus 10 and its hung
[00:40] <thomi> uhhh.. odd question: after 'adb shell; sudo su - phablet' I can't type the letter 'm' - nothing appears in my terminal
[00:40] <RAOF> But you can type other letters?
[00:40] <thomi> yup
[00:40] <thomi> it's clearly not my keyboard, see? mmmmMMMMmmm
[00:40] <RAOF> Fun!
[00:41] <thomi> and other terminals work...
[00:41] <thomi> and the root account on the phablet device work as well!
[00:41] <chrisd_> do any you guys run terminal outside of the side stage on nexus 10
[00:41] <chrisd_> sidestage is way too small to run terminal app
[00:42] <thomi> RAOF: ahh, apparently having 'horizontal-scroll-mode' set to on means you can't type 'm' O.0
[00:42] <RAOF> Funky!
[00:45] <cjohnston> thomi: its too fuzzy to read the text, but here is a video of 'text disappearing' http://ubuntuone.com/76w8k2dCfOnOr7LP0kZZUC
[01:21] <hennke> hello all in here ..
[01:21] <matv1> hey
[01:22] <hennke> i have just one question . How shall i do too install ubuntu on my samsung galaxy S3 i9300
[01:25] <matv1> just follow instructions on this page
[01:25] <matv1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9300
[01:25] <matv1> or did you find that already
[01:25] <matv1> ?
[01:28] <matv1> question of my own here: has anyone had the Ubuntu Qt sdk running on a 32 bit machine?
[01:29] <matv1> I am having trouble, that i am not seeing of a 64 bit machine
[01:29] <matv1> Anyone?
[01:30] <matv1> at all?
[01:34] <matv1> AskUbuntu has been quit on this issue for days as well
[01:35] <matv1> just trying to find out if it is even possible
[01:43] <matv1> mhall119 can you shed light perhaps?
[01:44] <matv1> ubuntu qt sdk on 32 bit?
[01:49] <cjohnston>  /19
[01:51] <RAOF> matv1: I'm not aware of any reason why the SDK shouldn't work on 32 bit; what have you tried?
[01:52] <matv1> i am not aware of any reason either. just cant get it to work
[01:52] <matv1> it doesnt say anywhere that it wouldnt
[01:52] <matv1> however:
[01:52] <matv1>  here is my issue on askubuntu
[01:52] <matv1> http://askubuntu.com/questions/331403/no-ubuntu-touch-templates-in-qt-5-0-2#comment423483_331403
[01:53] <matv1> would you mind having a look?
[02:00] <mhall119> matv1: how did you install the SDK?
[02:01] <matv1> just used the normal command on the app dev page
[02:01] <mhall119> hmmm, it sounds like something is either missing or didn't install correctly
[02:01] <mhall119> first, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[02:02] <matv1> 13.04
[02:02] <mhall119> matv1: have you tried apt-get purging the ubuntu-sdk and re-installing?
[02:03] <elkng> when it released will it be possible to inject wifi packets or wifi driver will not allow it ?
[02:03] <mhall119> elkng: inject wifi packets?
[02:03] <matv1> mhall119: yep (see my comment  on the AU issue)
[02:04] <mhall119> matv1: ok, one more idea, do you have any older Qt paths in your $PATH ?
[02:04] <matv1> hang on ill check
[02:05] <elkng> mhall119: yes, like airreplay can do it
[02:05] <mhall119> elkng: I have no idea what that is, sorry
[02:06] <elkng> mhall119: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_injection
[02:06] <elkng> .title
[02:06] <mhall119> elkng: ah
[02:07] <elkng> so ?
[02:07] <cjohnston> sounds like your wanting to do some wifi hacking
[02:07] <matv1> mhall119: nope echo $PATH doesnt give me anything qt related. Or is that not the way to check?
[02:07] <mhall119> I still don't know, but if you put the device in developer mode you get access to everything, even root, so it's likely
[02:07] <elkng> sounds like no one answering my question
[02:07] <mhall119> matv1: that should be enough
[02:08] <mhall119> matv1: maybe best to ask bzoltan in 5 hours
[02:09] <mhall119> elkng: don't expect it to be easy though :)
[02:09] <matv1> mhall119: cool! will do . cheers
[02:44] <matv1> mhall119: ah and congrats on the edge record! well done .
[02:45] <mhall119> thanks!
[02:46] <mhall119> matv1: I didn't even notice, so thanks for the heads up
[02:49] <matv1> no prob. that ought to be one to boast about to your grandkids afew years on :)
[02:50] <ikillcypher> Hello
[03:06] <bzoltan> mhall119: matv1: 5hours :) ??? I am up and active
[03:07] <mhall119> bzoltan: I wasn't sure if you'd be awake already, or not asleep yet
[03:08] <bzoltan> mhall119:  6am local time is a very normal start for me :)
[03:08]  * bzoltan reading the askubuntu
[03:08] <mhall119> but you're awake until like 5am local time
[03:11] <bzoltan> mhall119: sometimes :) not very often...
[03:12] <bzoltan> So the solution should be to clean up the legacy QtCreator configuration under the ~/.config
[03:13] <bzoltan> mhall119:  rm -r .config/Trolltech.conf .config/Qt* .config/Nokia*
[03:13] <mhall119> bzoltan: not for me, for matv1, who's probably gone to sleep
[03:15] <bzoltan> mhall119:  I replayed the question on askubuntu.
[05:26] <hramrach> hello
[05:26] <hramrach> how much working android do I need to run Ubuntu touch?
[05:27] <RAOF> AIUI pretty much just a working kernel.
[05:28] <Hashcode> probably need a bit more than working kernel
[05:28] <hramrach> well, hte kernel works. I can see graphics output and I get these nice debug rings for touches and taps
[05:28] <Hashcode> need full graphics layers / blobs, codecs, and any other HALs functioning
[05:29] <hramrach> but the applications do not react to the taps and everything gets 'application not responding'
[05:31] <hramrach> also the andriod framebuffer is different sizse from hte screen and I have no idea how to convince it to draw the desktop (or phonetop or what you call it) the same size as the screen
[05:32] <hramrach> anyway, maybe I can pretend the android is working for now
[05:36] <hramrach> so is there more manual installation than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation ?
[05:36] <hramrach> becasue I do not have 'device specific zip'
[05:43] <Nimble> you can port it to your device yourself
[05:44] <Nimble> otherwise, check on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices for your device and there should be a zip.
[05:45] <hramrach> there is no zip
[05:45] <hramrach> so what do I need in that zip?
[05:46] <hramrach> I can like pull the card with the andriod from the device or take the build tree and pack some stuff into a zip file or copy it to the card without packing anything, even
[05:47] <hramrach> but what does Ubuntu need of the andriod and where to put it? and where to put Ubuntu itself?
[05:48] <hramrach> I don't think I can get something like clockwork recovery working with Android not accepting touches and with no HW buttons other than power and recovery
[05:48] <Mirv> tvoss_: hi, regarding the qtlocation patch. the config.tests and the code itself had a wrong include (needs 'ubuntu/' in front of application/location/*), and the plugin was not getting compiled since position.pro was not being modified. I'm now getting a linker error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5991664/
[05:49] <tvoss_> Mirv, thanks, checking
[05:49] <Mirv> tvoss_: the 'ubuntu/' because the pkgconfig file for ubuntu-platform-api does not have -I${includedir}/ubuntu, just -I${includedir}
[05:50] <tvoss_> Mirv, that is fixed on trunk, but not yet released @ubuntu
[05:50] <tvoss_> Mirv, so best to grab the platform API from trunk I would say
[05:51] <Mirv> tvoss_: ok, I see it now. that's fine. so I added config_ubuntu:SUBDIRS += ubuntu to src/plugins/position/position.pro after which I got to this linker error eventually
[05:51] <tvoss_> Mirv, doing the same now
[06:02] <tvoss_> Mirv, okay, fixed locally :) how can I get the changes over to you?
[06:03] <Mirv> tvoss_: our work method is a bit archaic :) but can you for example just reproduce the same you did last time, and I'll pick up the changes from there?
[06:03] <Mirv> tvoss_: or just tarball src/plugins/position/ubuntu/
[06:03] <tvoss_> Mirv, wow, now that is really archaic ;)
[06:03] <Mirv> if it works, don't fix it :)
[06:05] <tvoss_> Mirv, sent
[06:05] <Mirv> tvoss_: grabbing
[06:05] <Mirv> bzip2, that's not archaic, it's the 'advanced' format
[06:18] <Mirv> tvoss_: made it into a patch, builds fine and the new plugin is getting installed. I can continue now on getting it to archives - but if you know a friendly ~core-dev you could bribe to accept my qtlocation update, it would help since didrocks is away until Monday
[06:18] <tvoss_> Mirv, ack and thx
[06:18] <usr_courier> Hi All. Have anyone flashed google nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch yet? Is nexus 4 usable as a phone with it?
[06:20] <usr_courier> I am going to buy used nexus 4 to flash UT to it and use as my primary phone. Is it usable? (I need only phone/sms + web/jabber)
[06:32] <Mirv> tvoss_: you maybe noticed already but lp:music-hub has now automerger enabled. thanks for the LP setup changes as well.
[06:32] <tvoss_> Mirv, thx :)
[07:01] <timppa> Is there a bug open for web browser regarding self signed certs?
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <timppa> I cannot access any https sites if there isn't a valid certificate
[07:02] <timppa> and good morning to you too! :)
[07:03] <Mirv> timppa: does not look like there would be a bug yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app
[07:16] <timppa> now there is, bug id 1212970
[07:21] <Rasputin007> Has anybody an idea if there will be a Ubuntu Touch forum at some point soon? I hate to spend ages hunting info with google.
[07:24] <Mirv> timppa: great!
[07:33] <Rasputin007> Currently , if you want some info, you have to look through the mailing list if there is something (50+) new emails per day, look here, look at various blog sites of developers, google, browse xda-developer or search Ubuntu forum-results do not work with Ubuntu Touch and are often a few years old.
[07:37] <Rasputin007> It would be much much more efficient if Canonical would open a Ubuntu Touch forum, to have a central information pool, rather then bits and bobs spread around the web. Would like to hear your opinion to this.
[07:52] <diwic> ogra_, so I updated lxc-android-config and rebooted - and now the directory /dev/socket/qmux_bluetooth is rwx for everyone, but /dev/socket/qmux_bluetooth/qmux_connect_socket is still not accessible
[07:52] <ogra_> diwic, hrm
[07:52] <ogra_> i added a chmod -R, theoretically it should juyt change the files in the dir along
[07:53] <ogra_> diwic, i'll fix it
[07:53] <diwic> ogra_, thanks
[08:00] <freeflying> is it a known issue that galaxy nexus reboot into recovery after run adb shell system-image-cli?
[08:02] <nhaines> freeflying: I tjust tried it, and although the command doesn't seem to do anything (just freeze) on my PC, my phone hasn't rebooted and is still responsive.
[08:02] <diwic> ogra_, I found the permission issue in telepathy-ofono, it was an apparmor profile
[08:03] <freeflying> nhaines: it takes abit time to download upgrade image
[08:04] <nhaines> freeflying: in that case, I'm glad I cancelled!  :)  Although...
[08:30] <ogra_> diwic, does that mean you dont need the permission change anymore ?
[08:30] <diwic> ogra_, the /dev/socket/ stuff is still needed; this was a completely different permission problem (I mentioned the latter on yesterday's standup)
[08:31] <ogra_> ah, k
[08:31]  * ogra_ remembers
[08:31] <ogra_> hmm, i wonder if the -R didnt work because the dir wasnt populated when the change happened
[08:42] <dpm> hi sil2100, morning! jamesh and Timo told me you're working on getting the mediascanner packages uploaded to saucy. As we'll be using them for the Music app, I'm interested :) what's the current status?
[08:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Tell A Joke Day! :-D
[08:44] <sil2100> dpm: hi! The packaging is ready, so I'll hopefully find someone to sponsor it today - we'll then think about daily-releasing it as well
[09:06] <Mirv> bzoltan / tvoss_: updated qtlocation plugin for saucy now in ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa (binaries pending publishing, ie. 5-10 minutes)
[09:07] <Mirv> I'm looking at the more stripped down version for precise, quantal and raring
[09:07] <ogra_> pete-woods, your last change to libusermetrics breaks the image builds, can you roll back the package ?
[09:07] <Mirv> since we don't have platform-api there at the moment
[09:07] <asac> ogra_: ++
[09:07] <pete-woods> ogra_: I don't know how to do that - I've committed a fix, though..
[09:08] <asac> ogra_: you could upload a version in between waht we expect
[09:08] <asac> with the negative diff applied in the diff.gy
[09:08] <asac> like if next upload from autolanding is ubuntu2
[09:08] <ogra_> pete-woods, ah, can you make sure it gets into the archive quickly ?
[09:08] <asac> and current is ubuntu1
[09:08] <asac> you could make an ubuntu1.1 with the upstream changes removed
[09:08] <ogra_> asac, uploading wont be faster than getting the fix in
[09:08] <asac> ogra_: he cant make sure it gets in the archive quickly
[09:09] <ogra_> (will take about the same time)
[09:09] <asac> ogra_: thats probably didrocks
[09:09] <pete-woods> I have no ability to accelerate the autolanding
[09:09] <asac> sure. but we dont know if his stuff fixes it :)
[09:09] <asac> we know going back will fix it
[09:09] <asac> but ok to wait... as long as we push
[09:09] <ogra_> well, i assume if someone uploads a fix he tested it :)
[09:09] <asac> ogra_: you still dont know
[09:10] <asac> ogra_: otherwise you wouldnt need to wait and double check afterwards
[09:10] <asac> :)
[09:10] <ogra_> no but as you say, there is a fast rollback path we can still take
[09:10] <asac> i would just do it. i think next daily-release is in 4-6 hours
[09:10] <asac> at best
[09:10] <tvoss_> Mirv, thx
[09:10] <asac> so if you upload now, we have the fix in 10 minutes :)
[09:11] <ogra_> lol
[09:11] <asac> tvoss_: coming
[09:11] <ogra_> rather in 1.5h
[09:11] <asac> ogra_: really ... why not. package build takes 10 minutes
[09:11] <asac>  Finished 10 hours ago (took 11 minutes, 4.1 seconds)
[09:11] <ogra_> then you have proposed migration and publishing
[09:11] <tvoss_> asac, hold on, we catch up in 49 minutes from now on :)
[09:11] <asac> tvoss_: oh ... thought i was late
[09:11] <asac> hehe
[09:11] <ogra_> asac, and proposed migration speed depends on the package dependencies
[09:11] <tvoss_> asac, all good :)
[09:12] <ogra_> (all rdepends get tested)
[09:12] <ogra_> (afaik)
[09:14] <Mirv> ogra_: asac: I already started a rerun of indicators stack in cu2d under which libusermetrics is, as Saviq asked on #ubuntu-unity
[09:14] <ogra_> Mirv, awesome !
[09:14] <asac> Mirv: so we can kick it manually?
[09:15] <asac> Mirv: whats the timeline from now till it is in?
[09:15] <ogra_> if cron can kick it, you can kick it manually :)
[09:16] <asac> ogra_: sure, but the interface can vary. you might decide that a package upload/build is a good way to do it :)
[09:16] <dpm> thanks sil2100!
[09:16] <asac> ogra_: or ssh and a command
[09:16] <Mirv> asac: yes, we can, although with the every 4h builds (next one in 45mins) we are aiming to never do that manually. ETA when this one finishes: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3428752/+listing-archive-extra + check run (not sure about its length)
[09:16] <ogra_> well, as long as someone from the team is around and a fix is in tree already i think thats the fastest
[09:16] <Saviq> Mirv, shouldn't libusermetrics be under unity8 stack, btw?
[09:17] <ogra_> no matter waht interface :)
[09:17] <Mirv> Saviq: maybe, it may be sort of magic thinking by didrocks related to dependencies that I wouldn't ever touch without asking :)
[09:17] <Saviq> Mirv, ;)
[09:17] <Saviq> Mirv, ok, will talk to Didier when he's back
[09:26] <eyesis> hi
[09:26] <eyesis> does ubuntu touch work on Nexux 7 v2 ?
[09:27] <eyesis> I can not find any information on this topiv
[09:27] <eyesis> topic
[09:27] <ogra_> no, someone will have to port it
[09:27] <eyesis> OH !
[09:27] <eyesis> OH
[09:27] <eyesis> OK
[09:27] <ogra_> there seems to be a community forming around it for doing a port on the mailing list
[09:28] <eyesis> thanks, but I need the device to be working in a week.
[09:28] <ogra_> heh, well, i doubt it will be done by then ... unless you do a bunch of nightshifts yourself and do the port
[09:29] <eyesis> So my only  option now  is  to look for v1
[09:29] <eyesis> thanks ogra_
[09:29] <ogra_> np
[09:40] <asac> jcollado_afk: plars: doanac`: psivaa: something is fishy here: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3549/
[09:40] <asac> with security and sdk
[09:41]  * jcollado looks at the security and sdk jobs
[09:42] <Mirv> ogra_: as a core-dev, please ack packaging change http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5992152/
[09:43] <asac> jcollado: awesome
[09:43] <Mirv> asac: so it's ready now, we just need +1 on ^ from some core-dev
[09:43] <Mirv> (libusermetrics fix)
[09:44] <asac> yeah i am not a core-dev anymore :-P
[09:44] <Mirv> asac: yes, I just checked :)
[09:44] <asac> sad story
[09:44] <bzoltan> Mirv: Thanks a lot... especially for the PQR stuff
[09:44]  * asac cries for a moment again
[09:50] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:52] <Mirv> asac: hmm, we'd preferably have the +1 in about 8 minutes before the next cycle starts. can you think of any core-dev that could ack it now?
[09:52] <jcollado> asac: There was some odd problem that psivaa already looked at about the results file not being found. From what I see the sdk new results are already available and the security ones are on its way.
[09:53] <asac> ogra_: !!!!
[09:53] <asac> ogra_: what are you doinmg man
[09:53] <asac> ogra_: i guess package uploading isnt the best solution anyway :)?
[09:53] <Mirv> dholbach: if around, can you ack http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5992152/ ?
[09:53] <dholbach> Mirv, hum... ack? like just apply and upload?
[09:54] <asac> dholbach: no ... just ack
[09:54] <asac> :)
[09:54] <dholbach> is there no other way to check if dbus is running or not?
[09:54] <asac> say: with the core-dev powers given to me by the great ubuntu project, i ack this change to be OK to go in the archive
[09:54] <Mirv> dholbach: "ack" is all is required, formally, we're fixing a package that's preventing others from installing https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/libusermetrics/trunk
[09:54] <dholbach> it should work
[09:55] <dholbach> so, yes "ack" - "|| true" is usually a work around - but if it's necessary now to get going, go ahead :)
[09:55] <asac> dholbach: we have a busted image and no tests etc. run ... so even if there are better ways to do it, we would like to get an ack :)
[09:55] <asac> dholbach: rock!
[09:55] <Mirv> ok, I read the 'ack' and publish :)
[09:55] <asac> the great dholbach has spoken
[09:55] <asac> Mirv: note it down :)
[09:56] <asac> i guess he needs to sign it to be valid though
[09:56] <dholbach> Mirv, man, I could have said "there's no space in the rack" and you would have read  "...ack..."
[09:56] <dholbach> :-P
[09:56] <dholbach> time for lunch - see you later :)
[09:56] <Mirv> hehe :)
[09:56] <Mirv> published
[09:59] <Mirv> pete-woods: note dholbach's wish for another way of checking if dbus is running or not
[10:02] <Mirv> the libusermetrics upload can be followed here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/1.1.1+13.10.20130816-0ubuntu1
[10:04] <asac> tvoss_: !!
[10:04] <tvoss_> asac, grabbing coffee :)
[10:04] <asac> good idea
[10:07] <asac> tvoss_: ok now i need a new coffee as well :)\
[10:07] <asac> 1 min
[10:11] <pete-woods> Mirv: will do, I just wanted to stop it breaking the build as quickly as possible
[10:46]  * ogra_ sighs, massive netwoerk probs here today
[10:56] <ogra_> asac, libusermetrics is published now ... starting a build
[10:57] <ogra_> (and as i said, 57min since upload ...)
[10:57] <asac> cool
[10:57] <asac> thx4headsUP
[10:57] <ogra_> :)
[10:58] <ogra_> #l33tfriday ?
[10:58] <ogra_> :)
[10:59] <ogra_> diwic, hmm, this is harder than i thought, the file in the socket dir is actually created late after boot by qmuxd ... /me tries some tricks on the android side
[10:59] <diwic> ogra_, so you don't want to create a bluetooth user like you have for radio, gps, etc?
[11:00] <diwic> or bluetooth group
[11:00] <ogra_> diwic, the prob is that pulse would have to run as that user or at least the user it runs under would have to be in that group
[11:01] <ogra_> and if it isnt pulse directly that accesses it, the process that does would have to be gid bluetooth
[11:01] <diwic> ogra_, the phablet user is already in the bluetooth group
[11:01] <asac> oSoMoN: is it easy for me to try enabling v8 hotspot/jit ?
[11:01] <ogra_> diwic, well, then it would work if pulse would actually run as phablet ...
[11:01] <asac> i know there are crashes, but wanted to feel what improvements we get to the performance
[11:02] <diwic> ogra_, it does?
[11:02] <diwic> ogra_, or; what else would you think it runs like?
[11:02] <ogra_> diwic, so what am i doing here ?
[11:02] <ogra_> (if it does work)
[11:02] <diwic> ogra_, qmux_bluetooth is not accessible by the bluetooth group
[11:02] <ogra_> diwic, oh, i see the issue
[11:03] <ogra_> yeah
[11:03] <diwic> ogra_, it's assigned to group 1002 or something
[11:03] <ogra_> different numeric GIDs
[11:03] <oSoMoN> asac: it requires a rebuild of qtwebkit
[11:03] <ogra_> diwic, which is bluetooth in android :)
[11:03] <ogra_> seems i actually only need to make the numerical IDs match
[11:04] <morphis> oSoMoN, asac: afaik v8 is no longer supported with recent qtwebkit
[11:05] <w-flo> ogra_, when you're at it, could you add the "compass" user/group as well? =)
[11:05] <ogra_> w-flo, know the ID from the top of your head ?
[11:06] <ogra_> (note that we are actually trying to get rid of the android groups in ubuntu if possible)
[11:06] <asac> morphis: do they provide feasible alternative options?
[11:07] <w-flo> ogra_, nope. Getting rid of it seems fine too, but then you should edit the init.rc in system/core/rootdir
[11:07] <w-flo> sorry, ueventd.rc
[11:08] <w-flo> to get rid of the compass user in that file
[11:08] <ogra_> w-flo, well, only if we know that no binary blobs have it hardcoded
[11:09] <w-flo> oh. yeah. :) Not sure about that
[11:11]  * ogra_ cries
[11:12] <morphis> asac: afaik they only option is using jsc
[11:13] <asac> morphis: ok... and thats pretty slow i figure?
[11:14] <morphis> asac: from what I saw that highly depends on the aspect you're looking at
[11:14] <Mirv> Saviq: bug #1212580 strikes again http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1036/
[11:16] <sil2100> dholbach: hi! Can I ask you for a packaging ACK for the daily-release process as well?
[11:17] <sil2100> dholbach: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/WebApps/job/cu2d-webapp-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity-webapps-qml_0.1+13.10.20130816.1-0ubuntu1.diff needs approval ;)
[11:17] <ogra_> cyphermox,  already around ?
[11:18] <asac> morphis: i look at usability/performance of popular websites for my assessment
[11:18] <Saviq> Mirv, the crasah is there still 'cause Unity wasn't released
[11:19] <Saviq> Mirv, looking at the other fail
[11:19] <morphis> asac: did you check with a webkit+jsc based browser and chromium for example?
[11:20] <Mirv> Saviq: right it was that relationship, and unity itself has the https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1212945 from previous runs
[11:20] <Saviq> Mirv, actually yeah, both are the same reason
[11:20] <w-flo> ah, finally I figured out where android defines users. compass is 1008, but that doesn't help with deciding wheter or not to add that user.. The accelerometer seems to work fine with the "system" user instead of "compass", I don't know about the other compass things
[11:21] <w-flo> (might be device specific..)
[11:28] <asac> sil2100: that changelog doesnt really reflect what is in the diff, no? e.g. more in the changelog then in the upload?
[11:28] <asac> sil2100: oh the content diff is missing. interesting
[11:29] <sil2100> asac: the diff only shows the changes that are made to the packaging + build system files
[11:29] <asac> then nevermind.
[11:29] <asac> sil2100: why dont we have the full diff as well?
[11:29] <asac> to ease review?
[11:30] <sil2100> asac: well, not really, since this would make things much harder - upstream code belongs to upstream, we only make sure that the packaging changes are ok, since this is our 'turf'
[11:30] <sil2100> asac: having a big diff would make those packaging reviews much harder, since there would be lots of code to be browsed through
[11:32] <ogra_> diwic, ok, the 8pm UTC image today should have the right GID
[11:32] <diwic> ogra_, thanks
[11:32] <ogra_> (i hope i didnt break other BT stuff now)
[11:33] <diwic> ogra_, is it also in lxc-android-config ?
[11:33] <ogra_> the prob we have is that the group is created by the bluez package, long before we set up the groups in the image build
[11:33] <ogra_> so i needed to modify the GID post install
[11:33] <ogra_> diwic, no, it happens at image build time
[11:34] <diwic> ogra_, i e, not fixed by a package upgrade then, must reflash
[11:34] <ogra_> right
[11:34] <ogra_> to test the change just edit /etc/group and change the bluetooth GID to 1002
[11:35] <ogra_> (and rip out the upstart job hackery from lxc-android-config indeed)
[11:35] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ touch /dev/socket/qmux_bluetooth/qmux_connect_socket
[11:35] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[11:35] <ogra_> seems to work fine for mwe
[11:35] <ogra_> *me
[11:37] <Nexus> hi
[11:38] <Guest36590> when is the release version of ubuntu touch available?
[11:40] <ogra_> asac, new image up
[11:40] <asac> ogra_: cool :)
[11:51] <timppa> Is there a way to reduce ringtone volume atm?
[11:52] <kalikiana> can you said that again? I didn't hear you
[11:53] <ogra_> timppa, if thats broken nobody will fix it until the new audio stack landed i fear
[11:53] <ogra_> (which should happen soon)
[11:55] <jdstrand> diwic: regarding ofono/apparmor> di you file a bug?
[11:57] <diwic> jdstrand, not really. Here's what I did: https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/pulseaudio/+files/telepathy-mission-control-5_1%3A5.14.1-1ubuntu3_1%3A5.14.1-1ubuntu3%2Bpulseaudio1.diff.gz
[11:57] <diwic> jdstrand, but the pulseaudio stuff is currently on a side image
[11:59] <jdstrand> we should break pulseaudio out into its own abstraction...
[11:59] <jdstrand> diwic: ok, well, if you want to upload that, it looks ok to me :)
[11:59] <diwic> jdstrand, I don't have upload rights.
[11:59] <jdstrand> do you want me to?
[12:00] <diwic> jdstrand, but I agree; we should have a pulseaudio-client abstraction that just includes the pulseaudio stuff
[12:00] <jdstrand> diwic: right, but I need to switch that in apparmor
[12:00] <jdstrand> I'll do that later
[12:01] <diwic> jdstrand, I guess it would be good if you uploaded it (after changing the version number, I guess). And once we have flipped to use PulseAudio in the main touch image we can probably remove /dev/binder
[12:01] <jdstrand> yes! :)
[12:01]  * jdstrand is looking forward to that
[12:02] <diwic> jdstrand, the only thing is that is quite confusing to have telepathy-ofono rules in a completely different package
[12:04] <jdstrand> that could be changed to. feel free to file a bug
[12:04] <jdstrand> too
[12:04] <timppa> ogra_ ok
[12:08] <dholbach> sil2100, not sure if it's resolved already - I had some networking issues - on the page you mention I get a 404
[12:09] <sil2100> dholbach: it has been approved already, but thanks
[12:09] <om26er> ogra_, hey where is the source for ubuntu-touch-meta ?
[12:09] <chrisd_> is it proper to file a bug to have the terminal app run in full screen?
[12:09] <dholbach> cool
[12:11] <ogra_> om26er, in the archive
[12:12] <om26er> ogra_, right, I meant the branch in which the code is hosted, which I just found :)
[12:12] <ogra_> there is (or shouldnt be) a branch
[12:13] <ogra_> (wouldnt make sense, the package generates itself from the seeds if you use the ./update command in the source package)
[12:13] <ogra_> you usually dont hacke that package except for running this script
[12:13] <ogra_> (and making a changelog entry)
[12:14] <ogra_> s/hacke/change/
[12:14]  * ogra_ glares at his keyboard
[12:14] <om26er> ogra_, ok, trying that
[12:14] <ogra_> what do you want to do ?
[12:15] <om26er> ogra_, i want qtorganizer5-eds in the image
[12:15] <ogra_> ok, so you start by pulling the seed branch
[12:15] <om26er> and probably ubuntu-keyboard soonish
[12:15] <ogra_> change the seeds and push
[12:16] <ogra_> then pull the meta source and run ./update in it ... check debian/changelog (and edit it if needed) and build a source package ... which you then upload
[12:17] <ogra_> note the update script requires germinate installed
[12:19] <ogra_> (seeds are at lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy/)
[12:19] <mamenyaka> ogra_, just a quick question, can I have a MR against lp:ubuntu/lxc-android-config with the device rule files?
[12:20] <ogra_> mamenyaka, with pleasure :)
[12:20] <ogra_> put me in as reviewer
[12:20] <mamenyaka> there is one from a long time ago pending, but it's not good, and I even put you as reviewer
[12:20] <ogra_> oh ?
[12:20]  * ogra_ checks
[12:20] <mamenyaka> could you cancel that one? I will submit a new one
[12:21] <ogra_> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/lxc-android-config/saucy/+merge/178378
[12:21] <ogra_> this one ?
[12:21] <mamenyaka> yes
[12:21] <mamenyaka> but it has the wrong file names
[12:21] <mamenyaka> so I will get a new one
[12:22] <ogra_> ok. deleting
[12:29] <timppa> ogra_ is there any way to adjust volume from adb shell?
[12:32] <ogra_> timppa, you could try alsamixer, but it wont persist and wont influence pulse i fear
[12:33] <mamenyaka> ogra_, MR done, hope I didn't screw things up, only n8000 files for now
[12:33] <diwic> awe, sergiusens you were having a galaxy nexus, would you like to install the pulseaudio image and see how well it works?
[12:33] <jdstrand> diwic: fyi, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/1:5.14.1-1ubuntu4
[12:34] <diwic> jdstrand, ack, thanks
[12:34] <jdstrand> np
[12:34] <timppa> I'll try, thanks again!
[12:35] <ogra_> mamenyaka, did you forget bzr add before the commit ?
[12:35] <timppa> ogra_ there is pulseaudio stream volume control in alsamixer, it works
[12:35] <ogra_> timppa, right, just wont be persistent
[12:36] <ogra_> (a reboot will reset the defaults)
[12:36] <timppa> yes, sure
[12:37] <mamenyaka> ogra_, no, I have: added usr/lib/lxc-android-config/70-GT-N8000.rules
[12:37] <mamenyaka> added usr/lib/lxc-android-config/70-GT-N8013.rules
[12:39] <ogra_> mamenyaka, using bzr add ?
[12:39] <mamenyaka> yes
[12:39] <mamenyaka> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mamenyaka/ubuntu/saucy/lxc-android-config/pollux-n8000_rules/files/head:/usr/lib/lxc-android-config/
[12:39] <ogra_> well https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/lxc-android-config/saucy/+merge/180547 doesnt look like you added anything
[12:39] <mamenyaka> the files show up here
[12:40] <ogra_> Preview Diff
[12:40] <ogra_> Empty
[12:40] <mamenyaka> yes, I see
[12:41] <mamenyaka> can I do MR from terminal?
[12:41] <ogra_> hmm, i never tried
[12:41] <ogra_> probably through some launpadlib api script
[12:41] <ogra_> *launch
[12:41] <mamenyaka> okay, forget it
[12:41] <mamenyaka> how can I check status?
[12:41] <mamenyaka> like git status
[12:41] <mamenyaka> or svn status
[12:41] <diwic> bzr status
[12:42] <mamenyaka> nothing
[12:42] <diwic> I think you want to see the diff of your latest commit
[12:46] <w-flo> mamenyaka, I think you have the merge proposal from "trunk" (or whatever that is in bzr) to your branch instead of the other way round
[12:46] <mamenyaka> that may be it
[12:49] <mamenyaka> ogra_, now
[12:50] <asac> plars: doanac`: where do we stand wrt landing settle before/after tests?
[12:50] <asac> unity8 failed again and current hearsay is that its probably noisy enviornment :)
[12:50] <asac> jcollado: can you retry unity8?
[12:52] <jcollado> asac: Are you talking about the unit8-autopilot test for some device?
[12:53] <asac> jcollado: the one out of mako/maguro that failed yes
[12:54] <jcollado> asac: I see both of them passed: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3564/  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3567/
[12:54] <asac> jcollado: oh i didnt see the new run
[12:54] <asac> yet
[12:54] <asac> lets wait then
[12:54] <asac> thx
[12:55] <jcollado> asac: No problem
[13:05] <mamenyaka> can someone give me a hint on this? why is this binary not building? https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_sony_common/tree/cm-10.1/extract_elf_ramdisk
[13:05] <nhaines> If I need to restore Android temporarily, what's the best way to back up my Ubuntu phone data to restore it later?
[13:06] <popey> nhaines: tar up your /home/phablet ?
[13:06] <popey> and "adb pull /home/tarball.tgz" to get it off the device
[13:06] <nhaines> popey: sounds good.  I'm concerned that the contacts db might need something before I do that?
[13:07] <popey> nah, should all be fine
[13:07] <mamenyaka> nhaines, if you don't wipe, you can just flash CM and it will not touch data/ubuntu
[13:07] <popey> nhaines: i use a script to back mine up now and then
[13:07] <nhaines> mamenyaka: back to Android 4.3 from Google.  But that's really good to know!
[13:07] <mamenyaka> I "dual boot" this way
[13:07] <nhaines> popey: now it's time for http://xkcd.com/1168/
[13:07] <mamenyaka> flash device image to have ubuntu touch, flash CM to have android
[13:08] <popey> hah
[13:08] <popey> thats some extreme dual booting
[13:08] <mamenyaka> it works
[13:08] <mamenyaka> and I can skip backup
[13:09] <plars> asac: I pushed a MP to add more configurability to the settle tool last night, will do the other part later today once that lands
[13:09] <plars> asac: it will be there today I feel sure
[13:10] <nhaines> popey: is your script shareable?
[13:10] <asac> plars: nice :)
[13:12] <popey> nhaines: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/backup-phablet.sh
[13:12] <popey> but may need tweaking for your own requirements
[13:13] <nhaines> popey: much obliged!  Thank you for the tar advice and so much more so for the script!
[13:14] <nhaines> It's nowhere close to being a daily driver, but man is it nice to have Ubuntu on my phone in my pocket.
[13:32] <mamenyaka> guys, what's this error: systemd-udevd[731]: Failed to apply ACL on /dev/video0: Operation not supported
[13:33] <mamenyaka> dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992724/
[13:33] <rpage> hello all when is the phone release date
[13:33] <mamenyaka> ogra_, w-flo, sergiusens ^^^
[13:34] <mamenyaka> and there a lot more
[13:34] <w-flo> mamenyaka, I remember I've had exactly the same error. I think I've changed something in the kernel config and it disappeared..?!
[13:35] <mamenyaka> well great
[13:35] <mamenyaka> I don't remember who, but someone found something about that error, and there was devtmpfs mentioned
[13:35] <mamenyaka> here in the chat
[13:36] <rpage> what hardware phone it will be shipped on
[13:36] <mamenyaka> rpage, http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[13:36] <w-flo> mamenyaka, maybe CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL=y ?
[13:37] <hramrach> yes, quite likely
[13:37] <w-flo> I also have CONFIG_FS_POSIX_ACL=y  and CONFIG_GENERIC_ACL=y , mamenyaka
[13:37] <hramrach> or enable that option ofr the udev mount if something explicitly disables
[13:37] <hramrach> *for
[13:37] <mamenyaka> can I just copy them in the config file?
[13:38] <hramrach> maybe
[13:38] <w-flo> mamenyaka, I enabled that in "make menuconfig"
[13:38] <mamenyaka> that what I was asking for
[13:38] <hramrach> but if they depend on something they will just get disabled again
[13:38] <annerajb> morning
[13:38] <mamenyaka> also, all the other configs from the porting guide should be enabled throu menuconfig?
[13:38] <hramrach> evening
[13:38] <rpage> is the phone already out
[13:39] <mamenyaka> rpage, in 2014
[13:39] <mamenyaka> if you donate 20 mil
[13:39] <hramrach> is it 2014 already?
[13:39] <w-flo> mamenyaka, maybe that is safer... /me has almost no kernel config knowledge
[13:39] <annerajb> ogra_, still havent gotten to the mount bottom spent whole day yesterday figthing with kernel arguments not showing up.... (had renamed the kconfig command line variable to something else so it was using defaults always)
[13:40] <mamenyaka> where do I find the options?
[13:41] <rpage> thanks mamenyaka , but for now we can use ports to install it on andriod
[13:41] <mamenyaka> yes
[13:41] <rpage> cool
[13:42] <mamenyaka> is it the ext4 posix access control list?
[13:43] <w-flo> mamenyaka, I guess it's "Tmpfs POSIX Access Control Lists"
[13:43] <w-flo> in the "Pseudo filesystems" menu
[13:43] <mamenyaka> w-flo, is it in the file system menu?
[13:44] <mamenyaka> got it
[13:44] <davmor2> ogra_: I hate nm I never had so many issues with before now :)  phablet-flash cdimage-touch --pending --wipe installed todays image I select nm indicator, click on my access point and it tries to connect rather than giving me the password prompt D'oh
[13:45] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah, there are indicator changes pending ...
[13:46] <mamenyaka> ogra_, is the MR okay?
[13:48] <ogra_> mamenyaka, yep, uploaded
[13:48] <sergiusens> davmor2: just like the early days of network manager nm-applet :-)
[13:49] <davmor2> sergiusens: nope some how I magically missed all of that :)
[13:49] <sergiusens> lucky you
[13:49] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[13:50] <hramrach> use the wires ;-)
[13:50] <mamenyaka> ogra_, power_supply usb: driver failed to report `present' property:<PHONE_NUMBER>
[13:51] <ogra_> sounds like a kernel/driver issue
[13:51] <mamenyaka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992724/
[13:51] <mamenyaka> this is causing I guess the reboot when I unplug usb
[13:51] <ogra_> yeah probably
[13:52] <ogra_> does it boot when it is unplugged ?
[13:52] <mamenyaka> no
[13:52] <ogra_> i.e. is it only the unpülug event that kills it ?
[13:53] <ogra_> sounds more like a battery issue to me
[13:53] <mamenyaka> but not hardware issue?
[13:54] <ogra_> well, i would pretty much categorize a battery as hardware, not sure about you :)
[13:54] <mamenyaka> oh come on
[13:55] <ogra_> does the battery work in android ?
[13:55] <mamenyaka> so, I mean, my battery isn't bad, others have this issue too
[13:55] <ogra_> currently ...
[13:55] <ogra_> ah
[13:56] <jeanaustinr> Hi I'm flashing my nexus 4
[13:56] <ogra_> well but obviously you have no power when the USB is unplugged ... probably a kernel driver missing, or a special boot flag that triggers a switch of the power source or some such
[13:56] <jeanaustinr> phablet-flash cdimage-touch -d grouper -b
[13:56] <w-flo> jeanaustinr, nexus 4 is not grouper AFAIK
[13:56] <jeanaustinr> That was the last command
[13:56] <ogra_> yeah, nexus4 is mako
[13:57] <jeanaustinr> I see. So which argument do I need
[13:57] <jeanaustinr> I mean command
[13:57] <mamenyaka> ogra_, sorry for asking, how can I find the options that ned to be enabled in the porting guide for the kernel in menuconfig?
[13:58] <mamenyaka> like go through everything?
[13:58] <w-flo> mamenyaka, you could google for the config option and try to parse the Kconfig content, it worked for me :)
[13:58] <mamenyaka> okay
[13:58] <ogra_> jeanaustinr, replace grouper with mako
[13:59] <w-flo> mamenyaka, I guess the porting guide config options should work without menuconfig.. hopefully
[13:59] <mamenyaka> yes they work, but they were removed when I menuconfig in posix ACL
[14:00] <jeanaustinr> Alright. I just did. How large is the download?
[14:00] <w-flo> oh, strange. have fun with the menus then :D
[14:00] <mamenyaka> ~400 mb
[14:00] <mamenyaka> I always have fun
[14:01] <jeanaustinr> Thanks everyone
[14:04] <cyphermox> ogra_: what's up?
[14:19] <jcollado> ogra_: ping
[14:19] <ogra_> cyphermox, so for porper pulse functionallity, we need the bluetooth group set to the same GUI aundroid uses ...
[14:20] <diwic> 1002
[14:20] <diwic> is the group ID
[14:20] <jcollado> ogra_: I've been told that there's an option in phablet-flash to restrict the amount of memory available in the device. Is that correct?
[14:20] <ogra_> cyphermox, while the image build scripts actually creates that group when it doesnt exist, with bluez in the image this group is actually already existing at the point where the postinst runs
[14:21] <ogra_> jcollado, yeah, talk to asac, i dont know how exactly this works, but he worked this out together with apw
[14:22] <ogra_> cyphermox, so what i currently do is to re-set the GID during images build, i just wanted to know if you know anything in bluez that might break through this
[14:22] <jcollado> asac: Could you provide me with some information about how to use memory restriction with phablet-flash?
[14:25] <gema_> sergiusens: ^ ?
[14:25] <apw> jcollado, you need to add a kernel command line parameter mem=!<size>
[14:27] <thumperest> hi all is it possible to use ubuntu desktop from the nexus 4 touch installed? or is it going to be added later ?
[14:28] <jcollado> apw: Thanks. I think I'm still missing how to pass the kernel parameter to phablet-flash.
[14:28] <gema_> apw: asac said this would be integrated into phablet-flash
[14:28] <gema_> apw: so that if problems are found things can be easily reproduced
[14:29] <apw> jcollado, depends on the device in large part
[14:29] <sergiusens> gema_: I read talks about it in the past, but nothing concrete
[14:29] <mamenyaka> w-flo, got most of the options enabled with menuconfig, but for there are some that don't appear in the defconfig file after enabling them, for example swap
[14:29] <sergiusens> gema_: I haven't seen an MR, bug or WI for that
[14:29] <gema_> sergiusens: ack, will talk to asac
[14:29] <gema_> jcollado: just move on to the next thing
[14:30] <jcollado> apw: Let's say the target device is mako. How should I do that?
[14:31] <apw> jcollado, not sure, ogra_ may remember
[14:31] <ogra_> on the supported devices you can use abootimg
[14:31] <asac> sergiusens: gema_: whats up?
[14:32] <gema_> asac: we've got to a point where we can add the memory job with restricted memory
[14:32] <asac> jcollado: oh ... you need to force cmdline=mem=!386m
[14:32] <gema_> asac: but phablet-flash doesn't have the option
[14:32] <asac> phablet-flash has an option to force cmdline
[14:32] <asac> ogra_: ^^
[14:32] <asac> the syntax is like above
[14:32] <ogra_> it does ?
[14:32] <asac> mem=!386m
[14:33] <gema_> asac: there's no mem option in phablet-flash
[14:33] <asac> sergiusens: i think you added support for pass cmdline to phablet-flash, right?
[14:33] <asac> gema_: no ... but kernel cmdline
[14:33] <gema_> ahh
[14:33] <asac> you just put "mem=!386m" there
[14:33] <asac> :)
[14:33] <cyphermox> ogra_: no, the GUID should be irrelevant
[14:33] <asac> so probably something like --cmdline "mem=!386m"
[14:33] <mfisch> ogra_: morning
[14:33] <gema_> asac: no cmdline either
[14:33] <asac> sergiusens: ^^
[14:33] <gema_> or maybe there is
[14:33] <asac> what happened to that
[14:33] <asac> the new phablet-flash isnt nice anymore
[14:34] <ogra_> cyphermox, great, i was looking for dirs it might create with that GID from pre or postinst but seems there is nothing
[14:34] <sergiusens> asac: no, I haven't
[14:34] <ogra_> asac, that was never there
[14:34] <asac> someone said they will commit it:)
[14:34] <asac> i dont want to look up my irclogs :)
[14:35] <asac> anyway we need it
[14:35] <ogra_> for the supported devices where abootimg works and is shipped it wouldnt be hard to implement though
[14:35] <asac> of course
[14:35] <asac> we only want it for that stuff
[14:36] <sergiusens> ogra_: wouldn't it be easier to do it from the host?
[14:36] <sergiusens> during flash?
[14:36] <sergiusens> or is this post flash?
[14:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, the commands will be the same, wether you call them on the host with img or on the ddevice with /dev/disk/boot
[14:38] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm just trying to undestand the requirements
[14:38] <ogra_> mem=!82352485 needs to be added to the commandline
[14:38] <sergiusens> as in, is this something you want to iterate over? or only on full flashes
[14:38] <ogra_> it is for a special test run
[14:39] <ogra_> where asac wants to test against low mem devices
[14:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: ok, I'll ask you some questions later today, doing other stuff now
[14:40] <asac> sergiusens: fresh installs
[14:40] <asac> doesnt need to be there for tweaking
[14:40] <asac> just if i run phablet-flash
[14:41] <asac> just if i run phablet-flash cdimage-touch
[14:41] <asac> something like: phablet-flash --cmdline "mem=!100000m" cdimage-touch
[14:41] <asac> sergiusens: i would sugget to not make it memory specific option
[14:42] <asac> can be a hidden option though... but if you make it mem=.. specific i am also happy
[14:42] <asac> sergiusens: do you need any other help on this click stuff?
[14:42] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992962/
[14:42] <sergiusens> asac: not with click, I'm doing that now
[14:42] <asac> cool
[14:42] <ogra_> essentially you want something like that
[14:42] <asac> ogra_: exactly!!
[14:43] <asac> thats the semantic i would love
[14:43] <asac> then we can evil kernel games in the qalab every day :)
[14:43] <ogra_> (probably with better quoting, some argument checks etc)
[14:43] <ogra_> asac, i can finish a script for adding/removing from the cmdline and ship it
[14:44] <ogra_> after the standup meeting
[14:44] <ogra_> phablet-run-tests then just needs to learn how to use it
[14:44] <asac> ogra_: i think we should directly do the phablet-flash feature
[14:44] <asac> unless people say they cant do it soonish
[14:44] <ogra_> thats a lot of subprocess wrangling
[14:45] <asac> ogra_: i want it to be transparent: install image with special kernel mode
[14:45] <mfisch> ogra_: can we talk about my MP when you're free?
[14:45] <ogra_> i would just ship a working script in initramfs-toold-ubuntu-touch phablet-flash can use then
[14:45] <asac> ogra_: there is far more trouble for qa lab
[14:45] <sergiusens> asac: doing it in test-run seems better that flash time
[14:45] <asac> if we have to ad another reboot step
[14:45] <asac> so plz not :)
[14:45] <ogra_> mfisch, the one thats uploaded already ? or is there a new one ?
[14:45] <asac> sergiusens: is there a bootprompt feature at all?
[14:46] <asac> if not i dont see how
[14:46] <ogra_> asac, you would want to change it before flashing ?
[14:46] <asac> i want to flash with special kernel options
[14:46] <asac> so i flash and next time i see its there as i wanted it
[14:46] <ogra_> yeah, that will get messy in python
[14:46] <sergiusens> asac: ok, so that's why I asked if we should do it on the host
[14:46] <mfisch> ogra_: I sent one last night, still claims to be pending. It needs changes in other places, so thats what I wanted to discuss
[14:46] <asac> i want phablet-flash --cmdline "mem=!386m"
[14:46] <ogra_> mfisch, argh, ok, i forgot to mark it merged
[14:47] <asac> unless we have a script that i can say: phablet-boot --cmdline "mem=!..."
[14:47] <asac> but that would require pretty big changes in qalab
[14:47] <asac> sergiusens: so yeah on host, and at best without any additional reboots etc.
[14:47] <asac> not sure if that leaves another option then just making phablet-flash do the right thing
[14:48] <sergiusens> asac: ok, you will probably loose this no reboot feature for image based upgrades
[14:48] <sergiusens> I don't have control there
[14:48] <mfisch> ogra_: what do you think about modifying writable paths to have an optional owner field? /opt needs to be owned by clickpkg
[14:48] <olli_> balloons, did thomi send you an update for the xmir test cases?
[14:49] <ogra_> mfisch, well, thats all stgrabers playground ... i'm not sure how that would work in a multiuser (tablet) env
[14:49] <ogra_> do we actually want to have multiple installs of all apps ?
[14:50] <asac> sergiusens: maybe we should have a quick talk with doanac in 30 minutes or so
[14:50] <mfisch> ogra_: why would you need multiple installs? apps go into opt owned by clickpkg, not phablet
[14:50] <asac> just to figure whats easy/hard for them and you
[14:50] <asac> and balance
[14:50] <sergiusens> asac: ok, let me ping you guys with a hangout link right after my standup
[14:50] <jeanaustinr> Hi again
[14:50] <mamenyaka> ogra_, have a moment?
[14:50] <asac> probably quicker and i certainly have already reached my weekly typing quota this weeek :)
[14:50] <jeanaustinr> I downloaded the mako but the device is still offline it says
[14:50] <ogra_> mfisch, ah, i thought phablet
[14:50] <asac> doanac`: are you avail?
[14:50] <mfisch> ogra_: nope
[14:50] <ogra_> mfisch, yeah,, then it makes sense
[14:50] <asac> sergiusens: if doanac` is not avail we have no choice
[14:50] <asac> but to wait :)
[14:50] <ogra_> mfisch, though i wouldnt take all of /opt
[14:51] <ogra_> mfisch, in convergence people might want to use it :)
[14:51] <mfisch> ogra_: click packages seem to need to own /opt or they will not install.
[14:51] <mfisch> ogra_: let me look at the click source code, perhaps there is a bug
[14:51] <doanac`> asac: i'm around. in a meeting but will be free in 10 minutes
[14:51] <asac> doanac`: that fits nicely
[14:51] <ogra_> mfisch, that definitely sounds like a bug
[14:51] <asac> sergiusens: so yeah lets start in 10 or so
[14:51] <sergiusens> mfisch: what are you trying to accomplish?
[14:51] <sergiusens> asac: I have standup in 10
[14:51] <ogra_> mfisch, i could imagine they own the com.ubuntu.whatever subdir in there
[14:51] <mfisch> sergiusens: click packages do not work on image update images
[14:52] <asac> doanac`: 40 minutes ok?
[14:52]  * asac schedules something
[14:52] <doanac`> asac: sure
[14:52] <sergiusens> mfisch: oh, no, that's why I said you need to wait for the click install destination to be redefined
[14:52] <mfisch> ogra_: there is a click.ubuntu.com, which is owned correctly, but if clickpkg doesn't own /opt it wont work
[14:52] <sergiusens> mfisch: the path will change
[14:52] <sergiusens> it just hasn't yet
[14:52] <ogra_> heh, so should i better roll back that change ?
[14:53] <ogra_> (not that it does any harm ....)
[14:53] <jeanaustinr> ogra_, hi... I already replaced grouper with mako however the devices is offline it says
[14:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: what change? I say don't make changes to click without consulting with cjwatson :-)
[14:53] <mfisch> sergiusens: its an image-update change, not a click change
[14:53] <mfisch> sergiusens: to make /opt r/w
[14:53] <ogra_> sergiusens, to lxc-android-config
[14:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, i would never touch click :)
[14:54] <sergiusens> hmmm... well if that path is defined as the final one, ok... but last I heard, it was going to change
[14:54] <mfisch> I was selfishly trying to make them work since it makes what I'm working on easier, but if the path moves, then I'll wait
[14:54] <ogra_> yeah
[14:54] <ogra_> and i'll drop the change again with the next upload
[14:55] <davmor2> ogra_: I bet you touch click when terminator-click lands ;)
[14:56] <asac> ogra_: todays build good for pushing?
[14:56] <asac> jcollado: security tests havent run here: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3567/
[14:57] <vesar> hey does anyone know how can I make my ubuntu touch application open in full screen mode on device?
[14:58] <ogra_> asac, my script thinks so
[14:59] <ogra_> hmm, at least for maguro ...
[15:00]  * ogra_ will have to check why mako doesnt work after the meeting
[15:00] <mhall119> vesar: full screen mode is the only mode on Ubuntu Touch
[15:00] <jcollado> asac: I see that psivaa already scheduled a new run and that there are 3 passes there. However that run hasn't yet been published.
[15:01] <sergiusens> mhall119: vesar or do you want to use the indicator space too?
[15:01] <vesar> mhall119, exactly
[15:01] <mhall119> oh right, forgot about that ability
[15:02] <ogra_> sergiusens, hangout ?
[15:03] <vesar> sergiusens, mhall119 : there are many app currently on the phone that don't have indicators visible on the screen. Camera, gallery etc. Looking for how to enable that mode.
[15:04] <jeanaustinr> My phone is stuck on the Google logo after pushing the image. Is it normal?
[15:04] <popey> those are not qml apps
[15:04] <popey> thats probably why
[15:04] <sergiusens> vesar: ricmm or Saviq would know
[15:04] <pmcgowan> vesar, there is no full screen yet
[15:04] <psivaa> jcollado: asac: there is a large queue in the jenkins publisher, so it might take a little while
[15:05] <pmcgowan> vesar, that will come with Mir I believe
[15:05] <Saviq> pmcgowan, there is, although it's hardcoded-ish-somewhere
[15:05] <pmcgowan> Saviq, thats too technical for me
[15:05] <mhall119> popey: it should be possible from QML apps too, if it isn't the SDK needs to be extended to allow it
[15:05] <Saviq> pmcgowan, :)
[15:06] <Saviq> ricmm, how do we make apps fullscreen again?
[15:06] <Saviq> dednick, ogra_, we got unity8 green
[15:06] <Saviq> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Unity8/job/cu2d-unity8-head-3.0publish/
[15:06] <dednick> Saviq: woop
[15:06] <mhall119> Kaleo: bzoltan: can either of you tell vesar how to make an SDK app hide the top panel?
[15:06] <ogra_> Saviq, yeah. noticed :)
[15:06] <Saviq> ogra_, care to core-dev-approve the packaging change
[15:06] <mamenyaka> also, can we make apps that only take half of the screen on tablets bigger?
[15:07] <Saviq> dednick, ogra_ and then we can flip the switch on indicators
[15:07] <Saviq> for tonight's image
[15:07] <mhall119> mamenyaka: you mean go from the side-stage to the main-stage?
[15:07] <mamenyaka> yes
[15:07] <mhall119> mamenyaka: it's in the .desktop file
[15:07] <mamenyaka> oh well
[15:08] <mhall119> X-Ubuntu-StageHint=
[15:08] <mhall119> I think is the field
[15:08] <Saviq> mamenyaka, you will be able to move apps between main and side stage (if they support it)
[15:08] <mamenyaka> yes: X-Ubuntu-StageHint=SideStage
[15:08] <Saviq> mamenyaka, unfortunately tablet isn't a priority now
[15:08] <mamenyaka> sorry to hear that
[15:08] <Saviq> mamenyaka, also, it's not planned to "resize" the size stage, that I know of
[15:09] <Saviq> mamenyaka, you know, there can only be so many priorities at any given time
[15:09] <nhaines> mamenyaka: phone is the target for 13.10, and tablet is the target for 14.04.
[15:09] <dednick> ogra_: we need to:
[15:09] <dednick> add: inidcator-datetime, indicator-power, indicator-sound
[15:09] <dednick> remove: indicator-battery, indicator-time
[15:09] <Saviq> mamenyaka, and phone is it at the moment
[15:09] <mamenyaka> that's not so bad, 14.04
[15:09] <Saviq> dednick, how about sound? do we not need to remove chewie-sound?
[15:09] <ogra_> dednick, great so the remaining issues have been sorted ?
[15:09] <Saviq> mamenyaka, yeah, I didn't mean "we're not thinking about tablet"
[15:09] <mamenyaka> but I only miss the terminal app to be main-staged
[15:10] <Saviq> mamenyaka, just tweak the desktop file in your ~/.local/share/applications
[15:10] <dednick> Saviq: no, it'll still be running because network is with it. but the indicator wont be visible because we remove the service file.
[15:10] <Saviq> dednick, ok
[15:10] <mamenyaka> yes, that's not a problem
[15:10] <mhall119> mamenyaka: if you change SideStage to MainStage it will open in the bigger part of the tablet's screen
[15:10] <dednick> Saviq: unless we change chewie to not install the dbus service.
[15:10] <Saviq> (or remove the hint altogether)
[15:10] <Saviq> dednick, you sure it won't show up? I was seeing it here
[15:10] <mhall119> or remove it
[15:11] <mamenyaka> thanks!
[15:11] <dednick> Saviq: you probably had the service file from unity8
[15:11] <Saviq> dednick, ok, let's see what happens, then
[15:11] <mamenyaka> mhall119, can you look at some powerd issues I am having? If I unplug USB, device reboots
[15:12] <mhall119> mamenyaka: I'm probably not the right person for that
[15:12] <mamenyaka> I already got: probably a kernel issue
[15:12] <dednick> Saviq: when we flash with new image, do we delete everything from /usr ?
[15:12] <mamenyaka> mhall119, well, ogra_'s busy, who else can I talk to?
[15:13] <mhall119> mfisch: might know about powerd stuff, though he's not actively working on it anymore
[15:13] <ogra_> mamenyaka, well, the powerd guy around here is sfeole
[15:13] <ogra_> err
[15:13] <ogra_> sfoshee
[15:13] <Saviq> dednick, yes
[15:13] <mfisch> mamenyaka: what device?
[15:13] <mamenyaka> sony tablet Z
[15:13] <dednick> Saviq: ok, should be good then :)
[15:13] <matv1> bzoltan: I did some troubleshooting on an ubuntu qt sdk installation problem that I am facing with mhall119
[15:13] <mfisch> mamenyaka: we've seen that before on devices which report 0% battery
[15:14] <matv1> we couldnt figure it out though
[15:14] <mfisch> mamenyaka: can you run upower -d and pastebin the output?
[15:14] <mamenyaka> pm8921_bms_probe: OK battery_capacity_at_boot=94 volt = 3941907 ocv = 4099000
[15:14] <mamenyaka> mine reports baterry ok
[15:14] <matv1> He suggested you might be able to help
[15:14] <mfisch> mamenyaka: we need upower -d output
[15:14] <mamenyaka> mfisch, just a sec
[15:14] <bzoltan> matv1:  i will try :)
[15:14] <ogra_> mamenyaka, try the upower command mfisch gave above
[15:14] <dednick> Saviq: although you will need to clear ~/shell/share/unity/indicators
[15:14] <mhall119> matv1: he ws actually online last night, he replied shortly after you left
[15:15] <mhall119> matv1: he suggested clearing some stuff out of ~/.config/
[15:15] <dednick> Saviq: if you run_on_device
[15:15] <mhall119> let me see if I still have his post
[15:15] <Saviq> dednick, rsync does that for us
[15:15] <mamenyaka> upower -d: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993079/
[15:15] <matv1> mhall119: I see that now. sorry
[15:15] <mhall119> matv1: 23:12 < bzoltan> mhall119:  rm -r .config/Trolltech.conf .config/Qt* .config/Nokia*
[15:16] <mamenyaka> oh, i see, 0% percentage
[15:16] <mfisch> mamenyaka: what version of upower do you have on your device?
[15:16] <mamenyaka> upower --version
[15:16] <mamenyaka> UPower client version 0.9.21
[15:16] <mamenyaka> UPower daemon version 0.9.21
[15:16] <dednick> Saviq: ah, not from the builddir though.
[15:17] <Saviq> dednick, yes, not from tehre
[15:17] <Saviq> dednick, that might be it, then
[15:17] <mfisch> mamenyaka: do you have internets working on there?
[15:17] <mamenyaka> yes, I hope so
[15:17] <matv1> mhall119 bzoltan: I will try that. Thanks again fr the help both!
[15:17] <mhall119> np
[15:17] <mfisch> mamenyaka: if so, then please run apt-get update && apt-get install upower, you should see it update.
[15:18] <mfisch> mamenyaka: after that just reboot and the problem should be fixed
[15:18] <mamenyaka> oh great, sometimes I can insmod my wifi module, sometimes not
[15:18] <Saviq> dednick, why are we actually installing it to the build dir in any case? ;)
[15:18] <mfisch> mamenyaka: a new build would also have it fixed, or I can post a deb for you
[15:18] <themikem> mfisch: interesting.  I have a tablet Z also and am seeing the same bug.  The battery percentage does show in the UI however, and, for me at least, it does change.  Is there something in a config file that should be changed?
[15:18] <mfisch> mamenyaka: you can push with it adb and install it
[15:18] <mamenyaka> i have aug15 build
[15:18] <mamenyaka> nono, I will just reinstall, that usually fixes the insmod issue
[15:18] <mamenyaka> mfisch, but thank you
[15:19] <mamenyaka> this is what I have sometimes: insmod: init_module '/system/lib/modules/wlan.ko' failed (Operation not permitted)
[15:19] <mfisch> mamenyaka: upower 0.9.21ubuntu1 has the fix and it's in the latest build
[15:19] <mfisch> themikem: that is interesting, I'll point it out to sforshee, he did the fix here
[15:19] <mfisch> basically the tl;dr is that upower tells powerd that your device is out of battery and powerd does an emergency shutdown
[15:19] <mamenyaka> themikem, hi
[15:20] <themikem> mamenyaka: mfisch: I'm still seeing the reboot issue with the latest...
[15:20] <sforshee> themikem: I'm not sure whether or not the indicator is yet using upower to get the percentage, I know that previously it was not
[15:20] <mfisch> themikem: what version of upower do you have?
[15:20] <themikem> mamenyaka: hi.  I'm back for a few days.  Hopefully we can make some more progress on this stuff.
[15:20] <sforshee> themikem: if you have upower 0.9.21-1ubuntu1 and still have the problem, let me know
[15:21] <themikem> mfisch: 0.9.21 if it is in the latest build.  I flashed it this morning with the latest.
[15:21] <sforshee> themikem: and your device powers off when you unplug usb?
[15:21] <mfisch> themikem: you mneed 0.9.21ubuntu1
[15:21] <themikem> I don't have the hardware with me to confirm just now though.  You caught me sitting at starbucks...
[15:22] <mfisch> themikem: can you check later?
[15:22] <themikem> yes, I will check when I get home
[15:22] <mamenyaka> I will check, just reinstalling to have internet
[15:22] <mfisch> we'd be curious if the fix didn't solve it, we made the fix for another device
[15:22] <mfisch> Thanks themikem and mamenyaka
[15:22] <mamenyaka> but until that, what about this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993110/
[15:22] <themikem> sforshee: it reboots both on connect and disconnect
[15:22] <sforshee> themikem: that's probably something different then
[15:23] <sergiusens> cyphermox: mterry ricmm https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/cupstream2distro-config/unity-mir_daily/+merge/180594
[15:23] <themikem> sforshee: correct, but they may or may not be related
[15:23] <themikem> are there some logs that would help you?
[15:23] <balloons> olli_, no I haven't seen or heard anything from thomi about xmir
[15:24] <olli_> balloons, he wanted to push a branch for the test cases
[15:24] <olli_> :/
[15:24] <mamenyaka> mfisch, something messes up ubuntu, not even reboot working from android shell
[15:24] <olli_> I will get that to you
[15:24] <balloons> olli_, :-)
[15:24] <sforshee> themikem: it's defenitely a different problem. syslog is the logical place to start, also check /proc/last_kmsg for errors after it reboots
[15:24] <mfisch> sforshee: ours would be a shutdown right, not a reboot
[15:24] <mfisch> or logcat
[15:24] <sforshee> yep
[15:25] <mamenyaka> themikem, do you know about why is make menuconfig removing some options from defconfig?
[15:25] <mamenyaka> like the _NS options
[15:26] <themikem> sforshee: mfisch: shutdown -h on this hardware often results in a reboot at the moment, in my experience
[15:26] <mfisch> ah
[15:26] <mfisch> themikem: if powerd is doing a shutdown you should see it in syslog
[15:27] <themikem> mamenyaka: nope.  I can look into it this afternoon though.
[15:27] <cyphermox> sergiusens: ack, won't be long
[15:27] <mamenyaka> because we now have some errors fixed with posix ACL option enabled
[15:27] <sergiusens> cyphermox: great!
[15:27] <mamenyaka> themikem, and with that, some options dissapeared, but thing is still working
[15:28] <mterry> sergiusens, I probably shouldn't review such daily release stuff anymore.  I don't do that day to day, so I'm  not familiar with any issues
[15:28] <themikem> mfisch: okay, I'll grab a syslog after the reboot/shutdown/whatever it is
[15:28] <sergiusens> mterry: ack, just pinged you since you were into that yesterday :-)
[15:28] <themikem> mfisch: I think I'm going to just blame cosmic rays....
[15:28] <mfisch> themikem: I worked on a server once where they did that
[15:29] <mterry> sergiusens, that was packaging, I love reviewing packaging  :)
[15:29] <mamenyaka> hah
[15:29] <sergiusens> mterry: but point taken, I wasn't sure where you were these days
[15:29] <sergiusens> mterry: ack
[15:29] <mterry> sergiusens, I've moved to the unity8 team, so more upstream work than integration work
[15:29] <themikem> mfisch: nice.
[15:29] <mamenyaka> mfisch, okay, reinstall, got internet, will upgrade
[15:29] <sforshee> themikem: also the one with powerd (via upower) would only happen on usb removal, and it would cause it to shutdown any time the cable was unplugged. Unless your battery driver reports transient garbage on usb cable inesertion/removal.
[15:30] <sergiusens> ack
[15:30] <doanac`> asac: you have a hangout url or something for this meeting with sergiusens?
[15:30] <asac> doanac`: yep in invite now
[15:31] <sforshee> themikem: also check /proc/last_kmsg. A kernel panic is probably going to cause a reboot, and you should see it there.
[15:31] <themikem> sforshee: I could certainly see a scenario where we get a bounce of no power->power->no power->power on insertion.  Depends where/if there is any debounce logic on insertion.
[15:32] <mfisch> we check power when upower tells us something has changed though right sforshee ?
[15:32] <sforshee> themikem: what matters for powerd shutdown is the battery capacity as determined by upower. It doesn't matter if the usb insertion is bouncy as long as the charge data from the battery driver stays accurate.
[15:32] <mfisch> plug-in is a change
[15:32] <mfisch> oh wait
[15:32] <mfisch> we skip all that logic if we're on power
[15:32] <themikem> okay guys, I have a meeting to run to.  I'll circle back to this after lunch.
[15:33] <sforshee> mfisch: and we'll never shut down if the capacity isn't extremely low
[15:33] <dednick> Saviq: :/ dont know
[15:33] <mamenyaka> themikem, goodbye
[15:33] <themikem> sforshee: got it.  Makes sense.  We'll try to get you some hard data and go from there.
[15:33] <sforshee> themikem: you can also run 'upower -d' and make sure that the percentage field for the battery is sane
[15:34] <mamenyaka> it's 0%
[15:34] <themikem> mamenyaka: cya man.  Keep with it.  I'll be back later and I'll look at your kernel thing.  Can you email me the option name you're enabling.
[15:34] <sforshee> mamenyaka: with upower 0.9.21-1ubuntu1 ?
[15:34] <mamenyaka> themikem, will push to github
[15:34] <mamenyaka> sforshee, not yet, wifi has trouble connecting
[15:35] <dednick> Saviq: i guess it was to keep the path 'share/unity/indicators' in tact.
[15:35] <mamenyaka> guess just give me the .deb
[15:35] <sforshee> mamenyaka: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/0.9.21-1ubuntu1/+build/4880250
[15:35] <mamenyaka> I even cloned the netwrok config with the SDK
[15:35] <nexus4> looking for help with nexus4 with touch installed. can't access my wpa wifi network...how can I set the password?
[15:35] <sforshee> mamenyaka: you need the libupower-glib and upower debs
[15:36] <mamenyaka> so all?
[15:36] <sforshee> mamenyaka: you can skip the gir and libupower-glib-dev ones
[15:37] <mamenyaka> no wait, wifi finally decided to connect
[15:37] <mamenyaka> upgrading
[15:37] <mamenyaka> yes, there it is, upower
[15:38] <mamenyaka> reboot?
[15:38] <mamenyaka> sforshee, what is the best way to reboot?
[15:40] <sil2100> sergiusens: hi!
[15:40] <sforshee> mamenyaka: I usually just run reboot via adb
[15:40] <sforshee> or adb reboot
[15:40] <mamenyaka> okay, me too, worked fine
[15:40] <mamenyaka> upower --version
[15:40] <mamenyaka> UPower client version 0.9.21
[15:40] <mamenyaka> UPower daemon version 0.9.21
[15:41] <Kaleo> vesar: mhall119: let me check real quick
[15:41] <mamenyaka> sforshee, hah, percentage:          92%
[15:41] <sforshee> mamenyaka: good :-)
[15:41] <mamenyaka> now can I unplug?
[15:41] <sforshee> yep
[15:41] <mamenyaka> hurray!
[15:42] <mamenyaka> when will the update reach current?
[15:42] <sil2100> sergiusens: how urgent is unity-mir daily-releasing?
[15:42] <ogra_>  dednick Saviq, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993180/ like this ?
[15:43] <sforshee> mamenyaka: I don't know, maybe ogra_ or sergiusens have an idea
[15:43] <Kaleo> vesar: mhall119: if you are using qmlscene then just "qmlscene --fullscreen"
[15:43] <mfisch> mamenyaka: it's in the latest image
[15:43] <dednick> ogra_: yep, that's it
[15:43] <ogra_> sforshee, which update is that ? your fix ?
[15:44] <mfisch> mamenyaka: it's in the one I installed late last night anyway
[15:44] <ogra_> dednick, thanks, just wanted to cross check
[15:44]  * ogra_ commits
[15:44] <sforshee> ogra_: yeah, the upower fixes
[15:44] <mamenyaka> so 0816?
[15:44] <mamenyaka> I have 0815
[15:44] <Saviq> ogra_, thanks!
[15:44] <ogra_> sforshee, they are in the archive, should be in the 8PM UTC image
[15:44] <sforshee> mamenyaka: ^^
[15:44] <Saviq> ogra_, can you core-dev-approve the packaging change in http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Unity8/ ?
[15:44] <mamenyaka> great!
[15:45] <mamenyaka> I am so relieved it wasn't a kernel issue
[15:45] <Kaleo> vesar: mhall119: later on (Qt 5.1) you will have http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtquick/qml-qtquick-window2-window.html#visibility-prop
[15:45] <ogra_> Saviq, uh, what am i looking at there ?
[15:45] <dednick> nexus4: is this your issue ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1212730
[15:46] <sforshee> mamenyaka: well in reality the battery driver should be exporting more or different data, but I fixed upower to work around it
[15:46] <Saviq> sil2100, can you give ogra_ whatever he needs to approve the unity8 packaging changes?
[15:46] <sil2100> Saviq: pasting!
[15:47] <sil2100> ogra_: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Unity8/job/cu2d-unity8-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity8_7.81.3+13.10.20130816.3-0ubuntu1.diff <-
[15:47] <vesar> Kaleo, I'm running the app on the phone via QtCreator. Added --fullscreen option to .desktop file's Exec line where qmlscene is commanded. But no effect unfortunately
[15:47] <sil2100> ogra_: I was asking cyphermox, but he's busy with all other stuff right now ;) Everyone's like just overflowing with work this Friday...
[15:48] <mamenyaka> just one more thing guys, this only came with flipped: wlan: loading driver v<IP_ADDRESS>a
[15:48] <mamenyaka> [   13.718902] wlan: [454:F :HDD] hdd_driver_init: WLAN device not found!!
[15:48] <mamenyaka> [   13.724578] wlan: driver load failure
[15:48] <mamenyaka> I have the insmod in post_fs_data
[15:49] <sil2100> ogra_: the standard ACK if changes seem ok
[15:49] <cyphermox> did you ping me about unity8 too?
[15:49] <ogra_> sil2100, Saviq, looks ok (if you have tested it indeed) ... but as i said before, please note dependency changes in the changelog in the futre so it is easier to grep for them when debugging
[15:49] <cyphermox> that seems very wrong
[15:50] <cyphermox> why is debian/rules changed for "build %:" ?
[15:50] <sil2100> cyphermox: the changelog says: "Define the 'build' target as PHONY so make doesn't get confused by our 'build' script."
[15:50] <ogra_> yeah
[15:50] <sil2100> cyphermox: it was made by mterry so I assumed it's valid, as he's a core-dev
[15:50] <cyphermox> still, it seems very wrong to remove %:
[15:51] <sil2100> ;)
[15:51] <vesar> Kaleo, But I survive without for now. Just would have been nice to run my shell prototype which has indicators already in it without real indicators. Now they are duplicated.
[15:51] <mterry> cyphermox, hello?
[15:51] <cyphermox> mterry: yo
[15:51] <mterry> cyphermox, didn't remove it, just added build there.  If build is phony, it doesn't work with %
[15:51] <mterry> cyphermox, so had to be explicit
[15:51] <nexus4> dednick, thanks that is what was happening, I got by it by doing this "nmcli -pretty dev wifi connect <network-name> password <password>" from the adb shell.
[15:51] <Saviq> ogra_, ah, didn't know that, will do
[15:52] <ogra_> Saviq, just to make it easier for people searching for a past change ...
[15:52] <Kaleo> vesar: can you try running from the command line?
[15:52] <vesar> Kaleo, Now that you're there can I ask what is the status of popover explicit placement feature? Michael said that you're implementing that.  We would need it for indicator quicklist.
[15:52] <cyphermox> mterry: so, I just still don't understand why you had to add build there... what's the purpose?
[15:52] <Saviq> ogra_, yup, will do
[15:52] <mterry> cyphermox, so the problem was that 'build' is a file
[15:52] <dednick> nexus4: ok great. fix for it has been committed and will be in next image.
[15:52] <mterry> cyphermox, so when make ran, it said 'build' is up to date!, nothing to do
[15:52] <Kaleo> vesar: qmlscene --fullscreen --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/myapp.desktop
[15:53] <cyphermox> mmkay
[15:53] <mamenyaka> ogra_, why is my MR still showing up? https://code.launchpad.net/~mamenyaka/ubuntu/saucy/lxc-android-config/pollux-n8000_rules/+merge/180551
[15:53] <mamenyaka> ogra_, should I delete it?
[15:53] <cyphermox> why do we need that file?
[15:53] <mterry> cyphermox, so build steps were actually being run during the 'debuild binary' step instead of 'debuild build'
[15:53] <cyphermox> ok
[15:53] <Kaleo> vesar: I'm not on that at the moment, other august priorities
[15:53] <mterry> cyphermox, which isn't usually a problem, but they have different environments, and it was screwing up a test
[15:53] <mhall119> thanks Kaleo, are we not on 5.1 yet?
[15:53] <sil2100> cyphermox: so we're ok?
[15:53] <mterry> cyphermox, the build script is just a file used by the devs to build unity8  ::shrug::
[15:53] <Kaleo> mhall119: no
[15:53] <sil2100> Can I publish?
[15:54] <mterry> cyphermox, so by marking the 'build' target as PHONY, it says to make, don't look at files to determine if this target is done or not, just always run it
[15:54] <cyphermox> ok
[15:54] <mterry> cyphermox, but now that it's PHONY, for some reason, it didn't work with % anymore.  So I had to be explicit
[15:54] <cyphermox> mterry: I would just have handled that differently I guess
[15:54] <mterry> cyphermox, and I didn't remove %, I just added build to the list of targets that hit dh $@
[15:54] <cyphermox> sure
[15:54]  * ogra_ doesnt mind, as long as it builds fine :)
[15:54] <mterry> cyphermox, you would have renamed build script?  :)
[15:54]  * sil2100 published unity8
[15:55] <cyphermox> I would have used the chainsaw approach, probably
[15:55] <ogra_> thats so bloody
[15:55] <ogra_> :)
[15:55] <mterry> cyphermox, seemed wrong to rename the unity8 developers' beloved build script
[15:55] <cyphermox> rm the file, let the build system handle things, or something ;)
[15:55] <cyphermox> mterry: I guess ;)
[15:56] <mterry> cyphermox, ah well...  I don't think the team is debuild-native yet  :)
[15:56] <cyphermox> sadly
[15:56] <cyphermox> mterry: I'm not against your solution, it's elegant, I just hadn't seen something like that before
[15:56] <ogra_> they will become click native soon :)
[15:57] <ogra_> who cares about deb in a year from now :P
[15:57] <mterry> cyphermox, took me *forever* to figure out why that test was failing ('binary' vs 'build' targets).  Was just so happy to find fix, didn't worry about how it got done.  :)
[15:57] <cyphermox> totally agree ;)
[15:58] <brendand> anyone know why return doesn't work properly in adb shell?
[15:58] <mamenyaka> brendand, what do you mean?
[15:59] <ogra_> return works fine here ... it swallows some ctrl sequences though
[15:59] <ogra_> (dont ever try nano via adb)
[15:59] <brendand> ogra_, there!
[15:59] <brendand> ogra_, exactly what i was talking about
[15:59] <ogra_> yeah, its broken ...
[15:59] <brendand> ogra_, what should i use for editing files then?
[15:59] <mamenyaka> ogra_, the MR is still showing up, should I delete it?
[16:00] <mamenyaka> brendand, vi
[16:00] <ogra_> if you want to use nano, use it via ssh
[16:00] <ogra_> or use vi via adb
[16:00] <brendand> mamenyaka, i forget is vi there by default?
[16:00] <ogra_> mamenyaka, it is marked merged ... reload
[16:00] <ogra_> yeah
[16:00] <ogra_> the cut down version of it
[16:00] <mamenyaka> ogra_, great!
[16:00] <ogra_> (a true vi ... )
[16:01] <mamenyaka> ogra_, can you help me (again) with something?
[16:02] <mamenyaka> ogra_, wlan: loading driver v<IP_ADDRESS>a
[16:02] <mamenyaka> [   13.718902] wlan: [454:F :HDD] hdd_driver_init: WLAN device not found!!
[16:02] <mamenyaka> [   13.724578] wlan: driver load failure
[16:03] <tedg> I thought there was something like "adb copy" but I can't seem to find it...
[16:04] <mamenyaka> tedg, adb push and adb pull?
[16:04] <popey> tedg: adb shell cp   ☻
[16:04] <tedg> mamenyaka, Ah, that's it, thanks!
[16:04] <ogra_> popey++
[16:04] <ogra_> haha
[16:06] <mamenyaka> ogra_, the insmod is in post_fs_data, and it worked with unflipped
[16:06] <ogra_> mamenyaka, do you have /vendor mounted or linked ?
[16:07] <ogra_> might be that it needs that
[16:07] <mamenyaka> but after booting fully, I can insmod it
[16:07] <mamenyaka> manually
[16:08] <ogra_> well, so should your init.rc
[16:08] <popey> in the lab are we doing tests only on the normal flipped image, or are we also doing qa tests on hte read only image too? gema?
[16:08] <ogra_> but if its a broadcom it requires the vendor blobs in the right place ususally
[16:08] <ogra_> popey, yes
[16:08] <ogra_> popey, clock on "touch_ro" on the dashboard frontpage
[16:08] <ogra_> *click
[16:09] <popey> so ap tests should work exactly the same way on the readonly image?
[16:09] <popey> aha! ta
[16:09] <mamenyaka> ogra_, https://github.com/mamenyaka/android_device_sony_fusion3-common/blob/phablet-saucy/rootdir/init.qcom.rc
[16:10] <ogra_> mamenyaka, try moving is to "on boot"
[16:10] <ogra_> for a test
[16:11] <mamenyaka> oaky
[16:11] <mhall119> ogra_: is there an easy way to make more space on / after enabling developer mode?
[16:12] <mhall119> or maybe moving apt and dpkg data somewhere with more room
[16:12] <ogra_> dednick, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993286/ .... "? Unknown touch package: inidcator-datetime"
[16:12] <ogra_> dednick, is that in the archive yet ?
[16:13] <dednick> ogra_: indicator-datetime - mispelt
[16:13] <sergiusens> sil2100: do you still need me? if it's regarding unity-mir, it is important yes
[16:13] <ogra_> mhall119, no, idea, i only booted a system image once here ... and that was in the early days
[16:13] <ogra_> dednick, ouch, thats what i get for blindly copying from IRC
[16:13] <ogra_> heh
[16:13] <dednick> ogra_: sorry, my bad
[16:13] <ogra_> dednick, sorry ...
[16:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: mhall119 that's what I've been telling bzoltan
[16:13] <sergiusens> you will have space restrictions on those images
[16:13] <ogra_> dednick, well, i could have proof read before committing :)
[16:14] <mhall119> sergiusens: s/will//
[16:14] <sergiusens> developer mode is not really 'turn in development machine'
[16:14] <dednick> ogra_: you did ask me to check ;)
[16:14] <ogra_> :)
[16:14] <sil2100> sergiusens: so, hm, daily-releasing ASAP?
[16:14] <sergiusens> sil2100: well that, or we can get some core dev to push
[16:15] <sil2100> sergiusens: I guess we'll enable it for daily release, I'll double-check you package, approve your merge, re-deploy the stack and then we need someone to pre-NEW it
[16:16] <sil2100> *you=the
[16:16] <sergiusens> sil2100: cyphermox did the packaging check yesterday
[16:16] <mhall119> sergiusens: why were you telling bzoltan this?  He isn't making the partition sizes
[16:16] <sergiusens> mhall119: because I think qtcreator does builds on device
[16:17] <mhall119> it can, yes
[16:17] <sergiusens> mhall119: ones these images becomes the default, this model will fall into issues
[16:17] <mhall119> it's already the default isn't it?
[16:18] <mhall119> last time I phablet-flashed I got it
[16:18] <sergiusens> mhall119: you need to explicitly say ubuntu-system instead of cdimage-touch
[16:18] <mhall119> but I don't see this as a problem with QtCreator
[16:18] <mhall119> sergiusens: ah, I did that, yes
[16:18] <ogra_> its not the default
[16:18] <mhall119> ok
[16:18] <ogra_> well
[16:18] <sergiusens> the default now is what you want it to be
[16:18] <ogra_> technically we dont have a default now
[16:19] <sergiusens> just so people don't get confused or forced into something without notice
[16:19] <sergiusens> mhall119: it's not a problem with qtcreator, I do agree, but this development model won't scale if things are kept this way
[16:20] <mhall119> if we just relocated /var/cache/ somewhere with more room it would help
[16:21] <sergiusens> mhall119: yes, but we need to reclarify what enabling this developer_mode means... I don't think it was intended for app developer mode.
[16:22] <ryukafalz> are the upload times on the daily build page in UTC?
[16:22] <asac> thanks sergiusens doanac` for the talk ... have a great weekend
[16:22] <mamenyaka> ogra_, moving it to at_boot didn't help
[16:22] <asac> ogra_: image out or not?
[16:22] <mamenyaka> and I have vendor mounted, only has camera in it
[16:22] <dednick> ogra_: can we expect the changes in this evenings image?
[16:23] <asac> ogra_: dont forget plz ... i think it looks goody
[16:23] <ogra_> asac, cant be more out :)
[16:24] <ogra_> dednick, i hope so ... if germinate ever finishes to generate the metapackage :)
[16:24] <dednick> ogra_: great. thanks!
[16:24]  * ogra_ wonders why the clock app is always ~10min off
[16:25] <popey> it is?
[16:25] <ogra_> yeah
[16:25] <ogra_> shows 18:16 here ... while the panel clock shows 18:25
[16:25] <ogra_> (as well as the lock screen one)
[16:26] <davmor2> ogra_: did you have it open in the background?
[16:26] <ogra_> nope
[16:26] <mamenyaka> what's wrong with the clock?
[16:26] <ogra_> well, i did at some point this afternoon ... but not now
[16:26] <popey> the read only image takes way longer to "flash" than the old flipped one
[16:27] <ogra_> mamenyaka, the system clock seems fine, the clock-app shows me a time 10min off
[16:27] <mamenyaka> that's strange
[16:27] <ogra_> yes
[16:27] <davmor2> ogra_: I discovered that if I had it open but in the background it didn't refresh the time when you bought it to the foreground but I thought that got fixed
[16:27] <ogra_> thats why  i mention it :)
[16:28] <ogra_> well, i just started it newly
[16:28] <ogra_> starts with 00:51 ...
[16:28] <ogra_> then after about three seconds it jumps to 18:19
[16:28] <ogra_> (it is 18:28 here)
[16:30] <mamenyaka> wait a minute, for me the indicator shows 6:29 PM, clock-app shows 16:29
[16:30] <popey> it shows utc by default
[16:30] <mamenyaka> yes
[16:31] <mamenyaka> hm
[16:31] <ogra_> right, i adjusted timezone and language here
[16:31] <ogra_> (and locales indeed)
[16:32] <ogra_> it is surprising how much translations there are already
[16:32] <ogra_> most items are in the right language already
[16:33] <mamenyaka> any idea why camera app takes a minute to start displaying?
[16:34]  * ogra_ hasnt
[16:34] <sergiusens> mamenyaka: could be the service takes long to launch ... check logcat
[16:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, so after the indicators changed, whats left in the PPA now ?
[16:35] <mamenyaka> sergiusens, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993372/
[16:35] <ogra_> phone-app i guess ... anything else ?
[16:37] <mamenyaka> ogra_, any other idea regarding the WiFi?
[16:38] <popey> sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993383/ any idea what's going on there? I flashed this device 20 mins ago, and doing it again, that appears
[16:38] <ogra_> well, check your logs if you see something obvious
[16:40] <ogra_> popey, /current was updated 20min ago
[16:40] <popey> ok.
[16:40] <sergiusens> popey: it's a bug
[16:40] <ogra_> was it around that time your download ran ?
[16:40] <popey> but it shouldn't break the flashing proce...
[16:40] <popey> ah okay
[16:41] <ogra_> its not a flashing issue
[16:41] <popey> drwxr-xr-x 2 alan alan 4.0K Aug 16 17:20 20130820
[16:41] <popey> well it is, phablet-flash falls over
[16:41] <sergiusens> popey: now that we have bidaily updates and ubuntu image based upgrades don't there's higher chances of this happening
[16:41] <ogra_> yeah, but in wget
[16:42] <popey> so we should have a different target directory? or some wget option to restart? or use rsync?
[16:42] <ogra_> sergiusens, we should check the local and remte timestamp of the hash file probably
[16:42] <ogra_> *remote
[16:42] <sergiusens> popey: rm /home/alan/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/20130820/saucy-preinstalled-recovery-armel+mako.img
[16:42] <ogra_> if remote is newer, re-download
[16:43] <popey> yeah, sure, but I am trying to do this with little user intervention ☻
[16:43] <sergiusens> popey: log me a bug please
[16:43] <popey> wilco
[16:43] <sergiusens> popey: ubuntu-bug phablet-tools
[16:44] <popey> already there ☻
[16:44] <mhall119> I filed one a few days ago
[16:44] <mhall119> it happened to me flashing my N7 after flashing my N4
[16:45] <mhall119> different remote files, same local filename, resulted in hash mis-match
[16:45] <popey> mhall119: bug me up
[16:45] <popey> or something hip
[16:45] <mhall119> oh, you expect me to remember?
[16:45] <popey> hah
[16:46] <sergiusens> mhall119: it's a different bug mhall119
[16:46] <mhall119> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1211956
[16:47] <sergiusens> mhall119: that ones an easy fix :-)
[16:47] <sergiusens> popey's is a bit more complicated
[16:47] <mhall119> popey is always more complicated than me :)
[16:47] <mhall119> it's because he's British
[16:47] <popey> bug 1213177
[16:47] <sergiusens> probably
[16:47] <popey> It's... complicated.
[16:47] <sergiusens> lol
[16:47] <mhall119> "It's complicated" should be a bug status
[16:47] <popey> hah
[16:47] <sergiusens> good one
[16:48] <mhall119> it's like a combination of Critical, Wishlist and Won't Fix
[16:48] <viks> hi
[16:48] <popey> hello viks
[16:48] <viks> can u install ubuntu in galaxy y
[16:49] <ogra_> dednick_, oh, one last thing, with the indicators in place, shouldnt chewie be dropped ?
[16:49] <viks> mkfgkg
[16:49] <viks> dffg
[16:49] <viks> gg
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> t
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <viks> g
[16:49] <popey> ah excellent
[16:49] <dednick_> ogra_: chewie is still used for the network indicator
[16:49] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:49] <ogra_> cyphermox, hurry up then :P
[16:56] <mhall119> ogra_: I'm getting an error trying to install/upgrade a package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993442/
[16:56] <mhall119> any idea?
[16:57] <mhall119> I phablet-flashed to ubuntu-system but then enabled developer mode
[16:57] <ogra_> hmm
[16:58] <ogra_> i guess /lib/udev/rules.d/70-android.rules is a bind mount
[16:58] <ogra_> and dpkg tries to make it a hardlink for the .bak file while replacing it
[16:58] <mhall119> ogra_: /dev/loop0 on /lib/udev/rules.d/70-android.rules type ext2 (rw,relatime,errors=continue)
[16:58] <ogra_> yeah
[16:58] <ogra_> better talk to stgraber
[16:59] <ogra_> not sure if or how thats supposed to work
[16:59] <mhall119> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993442/
[17:00] <stgraber> mhall119: yeah, lool mentioned the same thing happening to him once, basically we have a bunch of bind-mounts that should be unmounted before apply updates
[17:00] <ogra_> should they be mounted at all in developer mode ?
[17:00] <stgraber> mhall119: the current plan is to write a script that bind-mounts / and the other critical mount points, chroots to that and then you can run apt-get from there without getting those kind of issues
[17:01] <ogra_> i thought you go RW anyway then
[17:01] <stgraber> ogra_: well, in that specific case, if we were to remove the bind-mount, you'd be getting a confusing conffile prompt instead which wouldn't be much better
[17:01] <stgraber> ogra_: so the current plan was to have a developer shell which when you start gives you an environment in which it's safe to run apt-get
[17:02] <ogra_> well, indeed you copy the bind mounted file back over the exiting one in the filesystem
[17:02] <ogra_> that shouldnt cause a conffile prompt
[17:02] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, true, as it's not in /etc, instead apt-get would overwrite it and your system would be missing all those rules the next time it boots
[17:03] <stgraber> anyway, yeah, it's a known issue, we're aware of it but I can't really find the time to provide a solution while I'm attending debconf
[17:03]  * ogra_ didnt expect you to :)
[17:07] <sergiusens> stgraber: wait, so apt-get is safe now?
[17:08] <cyphermox> ogra_: when I can confirm we get the auth dialog for network and the icon issue is fixed, then I'll be happy releasing the indicators
[17:08] <ogra_> cyphermox, i was just kidding :)
[17:09] <ogra_> take the time you need :)
[17:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, obviously not
[17:09] <davmor2> ogra_: will there be an new release with the pending nm changes, do you know?
[17:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: well we are having a bunch of roadmap issues wrt to image based upgrades based on the assumption it is not and won't be
[17:10] <ogra_> davmor2, there is a build at 20:00 UTC ...
[17:10] <davmor2> ogra_: so that will land about 21:00-ish right?
[17:10] <ogra_> sergiusens, right, its more of a dpkg issue ... dpkg creates hardlinks of files it replaces
[17:11] <ogra_> sergiusens, that breaks with bind mounted files
[17:11] <ogra_> davmor2, no, 20:30 or so ... we got new buildservers :)
[17:12] <davmor2> ogra_: ooooooooooh get you with your new shiny :D
[17:12] <ogra_> :)
[17:13] <arisdario> hello guys
[17:13] <arisdario> is there some tutorials to install ubuntu on another tablet brand?
[17:14] <arisdario> i mean if is possible to install in other tablet that is not Nexus
[17:14] <davmor2> arisdario: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[17:14] <mamenyaka> arisdario, yes
[17:15] <arisdario> the way is to create your custom ubuntu for your specified device
[17:17] <davmor2> arisdario: yes see the link above.
[17:17] <arisdario> i understand, i wil try to compile a new build for Onda tablets
[17:17] <arisdario> lets say what can i figure out
[17:17] <arisdario> :)
[17:17] <popey> adb shell touch /userdata/.developer_mode
[17:18] <arisdario> lets see *
[17:18] <popey> that should enable developer mode shouldn't it?
[17:19] <arisdario> is a must that the device need to be listed on cyanogenmod ?
[17:19] <popey> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls -l /userdata/.developer_mode
[17:19] <popey> -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Aug 16 17:06 /userdata/.developer_mode
[17:19] <popey> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# touch /foo
[17:19] <popey> touch: cannot touch '/foo': Read-only file system
[17:20] <popey> ☹
[17:20] <mamenyaka> arisdario, not necessarily
[17:20] <arisdario> good
[17:20] <mhall119> popey: /userdata/ is rw
[17:20] <mhall119> is ro
[17:21] <mhall119>  / is ro
[17:21] <mhall119> darn IRC
[17:21] <popey> oh
[17:21] <popey> so how can i apt-get install something then?
[17:21] <popey> or is the answer "don't"?
[17:21] <mhall119> after you touch /userdata/.developer_mode you have to reboot
[17:21] <popey> i did
[17:21] <mhall119> then / becomes r/w
[17:22] <popey> ah, no i didnt
[17:22] <popey> ignor eme
[17:22] <mhall119>  /ignore popey
[17:23] <popey> I'm going to a wedding tomorrow. I don't know anyone there. I'm thinking of taking some ubuntu edge cards to hand out to people I get introduced to
[17:24] <davmor2> popey: Handed out on the line...."And what do you do?"
[17:25] <mhall119> popey: why are you going to a wedding for people you don't know?
[17:25] <popey> The joys of being married to someone who has a lot of "Real Life" friends.
[17:26] <mhall119> ah, so *somebody* knows them
[17:26] <popey> I hope so!
[17:26] <nik90> hehe
[17:26] <popey> bah, this means I will have to have a shave
[17:26]  * popey mutters
[17:26] <mhall119> I wonder what that somebody would think of you passing our Edge cards
[17:26] <mhall119> popey: not the sideburns!
[17:26] <popey> I'll report back on monday
[17:34] <mamenyaka> why is test_media playing a video has only sound, but nohng appears on th screen?
[17:35] <mamenyaka> or: how do I play a video?
[17:39] <pmcgowan> jhodapp, ^^
[17:40] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, did you check logcat?
[17:41] <mamenyaka> wait, here I have something: Video height: 720, width: 1280
[17:41] <mamenyaka> Video dest height: 0.000000, width: 0.000000
[17:43] <mamenyaka> logcat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993580/
[17:43] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, it's not going to work as long as the dest height and width are 0
[17:43] <mamenyaka> yes, but why are they 0?
[17:44] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, not sure...it looks like there's something messed up with your SurfaceFlinger
[17:44] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, the NativeWindow API isn't happy
[17:45] <mamenyaka> everything else is fine
[17:45] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, does the media player play video? why are you using test_media?
[17:45] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, where is the media player?
[17:46] <mamenyaka> mediaplayer-app?
[17:46] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, yep
[17:46] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display
[17:46] <jhodapp> don't run it from the command line though, try it from the QML shell
[17:46] <mamenyaka> oh
[17:47] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, select something like the Sintel trailer on the video view
[17:47] <mamenyaka> yeah, those videos are now gone
[17:47] <mamenyaka> all of them
[17:48] <mamenyaka> and the music too
[17:48] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, how do I kill test_gps, it's stuck
[17:48] <mamenyaka> ?
[17:48] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, what's in /home/phablet/Videos?
[17:48] <mamenyaka> my video file I want to play, nothing else
[17:49] <mamenyaka> video.mp4
[17:49] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, ok...the other reason why you didn't see video with test_media is because the surface is behind the QML shell
[17:50] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, test_media is not a QML app
[17:50] <mamenyaka> yes, that explains a lot
[17:50] <mamenyaka> then how to play a video?
[17:50] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, hang on, let me get you a command line for mediaplayer-app that should work for you
[17:50] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, thank you!
[17:51] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, please help me kill test_gps, isn't responding to CTRL+C, and kill PID isn't working either
[17:51] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, reboot
[17:51] <mamenyaka> great
[17:52] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, yeah, that got him
[17:53] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, try this...it might be out of date since I'm not running nearly the latest image, but give it a try: mediaplayer-app --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/mediaplayer-app.desktop /home/phablet/Videos/video.mp4
[17:53] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, same result, could not connect
[17:54] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, interesting...I haven't seen that error...any shell/app guys able to help mamenyaka out here?
[17:54] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, can you help me with wifi driver?
[17:54] <jhodapp> mamenyaka, someone else should be able to, I just work on the media parts
[17:55] <mamenyaka> jhodapp, got it
[18:00] <mamenyaka> is it ok that it only displays 8 PM in the indicator?
[18:01] <mamenyaka> and a minute later 08:01 PM
[18:02] <cyphermox> You mean as the only indicator or for the time?
[18:03] <mamenyaka> no, only is for it only 8 PM and not 08:00
[18:03] <mamenyaka> cyphermox, for the time
[18:04] <cyphermox> That depends on locale settings
[18:05] <mamenyaka> what? I have never seen any locale not display the minutes
[18:06] <mamenyaka> not 20:00 I'm talking about
[18:06] <mamenyaka> it should be 8:00 PM, not 8 PM
[18:51] <Kaleo> rsalveti: hey, what's the simplest way to activate 3G on the galaxy nexus? (operator is vivo)?
[18:52] <ChickenCutlass> Kaleo, he is on vacation.
[18:53] <ChickenCutlass> Kaleo, does the sim have a pin code
[18:53] <ChickenCutlass> Kaleo, if so, you can unlock via the command line
[18:55] <Kaleo> ChickenCutlass: no pin code
[18:55] <Kaleo> ChickenCutlass: good for him :)
[18:55] <ChickenCutlass> Kaleo, so it should just work
[18:55] <Kaleo> ChickenCutlass: ah, then it does not :(
[18:56] <ChickenCutlass> Kaleo, there is a race sometimes -- so reboot and make sure mobile data is enabled via settings
[18:57] <Kaleo> ChickenCutlass: I've done it several times over the past few weeks with no luck
[18:57] <ChickenCutlass> Kaleo, not sure.  Tony is also out today -- he is the person to bug
[18:58] <sergiusens> Kaleo: initctl restart network-manager if 'nmcli d' returns a ril device
[18:58] <ChickenCutlass> Kaleo, try restarting ofono
[18:58] <sergiusens> ChickenCutlass: you actually want to restart network-manager
[19:00] <Kaleo> sergiusens: nmcli d: /ril_0     gsm               disconnected
[19:00] <Kaleo> sergiusens: after restart of nm: /ril_0     gsm               connected
[19:01] <ChickenCutlass> Kaleo, do a netstat -r
[19:01] <sergiusens> Kaleo: that should do it, there's a in network manager, cyphermox and awe are working on signalling
[19:01] <cyphermox> moo?
[19:01] <sergiusens> cyphermox: boo
[19:01] <cyphermox> Kaleo: on a newly flashed device?
[19:02] <Kaleo> woot
[19:02] <Kaleo> works now
[19:02] <Kaleo> sort a
[19:02] <sergiusens> Kaleo: well I don't know how good gprs is in Brazil, but it's flaky here in general
[19:02] <cyphermox> well, it's as you guys mentioned, restarting NM should fix the issue
[19:02] <cyphermox> I'm still working on the patch, it will be ready soon
[19:03] <mhall119> Saviq: is this stuff in Saucy yet
[19:03] <mhall119> ?
[19:03] <mhall119> .I've always wondered why many atheists ridicule someone for what they believe in.
[19:04] <mhall119> bag, ignore that
[19:04] <Kaleo> cyphermox: newly flashed device yes
[19:04] <mhall119> http://iloveubuntu.net/unity-8-updated-ubuntu-1310-app-preview-expanders-and-enhanced-usability
[19:04] <cyphermox> yeah
[19:04] <Kaleo> sergiusens: it's pretty reliable actuallly usually
[19:05] <Kaleo> ChickenCutlass: sergiusens cyphermox thanks; I will wait eagerly for the fix :)
[19:05] <cyphermox> Kaleo: if you want I'll ping you when I'm ready for some testing
[19:06] <sergiusens> Kaleo: well the fix is to avoid the workaround I told you to use...
[19:06] <sergiusens> cyphermox: where is that bug? For some reason it's really hard for me to find bugs now
[19:06] <mhall119> so ogra_, if I phablet-flash cdimage-touch, I will get the non-UIBU flipped image?
[19:06] <Kaleo> cyphermox: it'd be great
[19:06] <cyphermox> sergiusens: give me a minute
[19:07] <ogra_> mhall119, right the default image :)
[19:07] <sergiusens> lol
[19:07] <mhall119> right, this running out of space thing is annoying, I'd rather re-populate /home/phablet/
[19:33] <Saviq> mhall119, what is "this stuff"?
[19:33] <Saviq> mhall119, we just released unity8 some hrs ago, so everything unity8 is there in distro, yes
[19:40] <sergiusens> cyphermox: can you trigger a daily build of unity-mir?
[19:41] <mhall119> Saviq: al the previews on other scopes
[19:41] <mhall119> is what I was referring to
[19:41] <Saviq> mhall119, if the backend sends a preview, we'll display it, yes - not necessarily in a nice manner yet, but they will be displayed
[19:42] <Saviq> mhall119, actions don't yet work correctly either
[19:43] <Saviq> mhall119, long press for preview, btw
[19:43] <cyphermox> sergiusens: did sil speak to you about unity-mir?
[19:43] <cyphermox> he wanted to wait until tuesday since there weren't integration tests?
[19:44] <mhall119> Saviq: thanks, just re-flashed my phone so I'll apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot then try
[19:44] <cyphermox> sergiusens: also, there is going to be a new automatic build in two hours, is that good enough?
[19:44] <sergiusens> cyphermox: depends more on ricmm
[19:44] <sergiusens> I'll be here for more hours
[19:44] <sergiusens> not sure he will
[19:45] <sergiusens> cyphermox: sil approved btw
[19:45] <mhall119> wait, phablet-flash did'nt work
[19:45] <sergiusens> cyphermox: with a comment that they should be added next week
[19:45] <Saviq> mhall119, phablet-flash -h
[19:45] <cyphermox> ok
[19:45] <cyphermox> ricmm: good to wait until the next automatic build for unity-mir?
[19:45] <Saviq> mhall119, although you probably know you need to add cdimage-touch
[19:46] <mhall119> I ran: phablet-flash cdimage-touch
[19:46] <cyphermox> I'm not fond of things landing in distro late friday afternoon, though this would be a new source package too, and subject to more reviews
[19:46] <Saviq> mhall119, I recommend --pending, too
[19:46] <cyphermox> we need didrocks to do some archive admin magic on lillypilly
[19:46] <Saviq> mhall119, especially if you want to dist-upgrade anyway
[19:47] <mhall119> WARNING:phablet-flash:The device needs to have a clockwork mod recovery image (or one that supports extendedcommands) in place for the provisioning to work
[19:47] <mhall119> that's the only thing that looked wrong...
[19:48] <mhall119> sergiusens: shouldn't going from a phablet-flash ubuntu-system to phablet-flash cdimage-touch wipe out /home/phablet?
[19:49] <mhall119> I watched it reboot into recovery and reboot again into Ubuntu and everything, but no visible change
[19:53] <mhall119> uh, hmmmm, I have duplicate indicator icons now
[19:54] <mhall119> Saviq: sergiusens: http://ubuntuone.com/3AlrjiX1SpoNv0VgHGZ8j3
[19:54] <mhall119> just after running phablet-flash cdimage-touch
[19:56]  * mhall119 tries again, this time with --wipe added
[19:57] <mhall119> hmmm, in the recovery console I see this:
[19:58] <mhall119> E:Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command
[19:58] <mhall119> I wonder if that's related to the warning above
[20:01] <w-flo> mhall119, I get the same warning even though I know my recovery supports (at least a subset of) extendedcommands.. Maybe that's printed every time
[20:01] <w-flo> and it flashes without problems
[20:06] <ricmm> cyphermox: yes, lets wait
[20:08] <mhall119> well --wipe at least removed all my old data and gave me only one set of indicators
[20:10] <mhall119> hmmm, network indicator isn't asking me for my WPA2 passphrase....
[20:10] <mhall119> Saviq: ^^ is that a known issue?
[20:11] <mamenyaka> yes, it was the same for me too ^^
[20:12] <mamenyaka> hey ricmm, any luck checking out what I sent you in email a couple of days ago?
[20:13] <mhall119> mamenyaka: FYI, if you can't get the network indicator to work, plug your phone in to USB and run "phablet-network-setup" on your desktop
[20:17] <mamenyaka> mhall119, thank you, did just that
[20:17] <mamenyaka> I just used the SDK
[20:26] <sergiusens> mhall119: it's a known issue
[20:27] <mhall119> ok
[20:27] <mhall119> thanks sergiusens
[20:27] <sergiusens> mhall119: /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command is used by uibu
[20:27] <sergiusens> it's inocous like the missing autodeploy.zip
[20:27] <mhall119> ok
[20:49] <mhall119> yay for smart scopes!
[20:49] <mhall119> this is awesome
[21:03] <ryukafalz> mhall119: Does phablet-network-setup only work if you're using unity/gnome-keyring on your desktop?  I'm using KDE... tried it and it copied some config files over, but that didn't seem to include security settings
[21:06] <sergiusens> ryukafalz: it relies on using network manager
[21:07] <ryukafalz> sergiusens: I do use network manager, but I believe my secrets are stored in kwallet
[21:08] <sergiusens> ryukafalz: phablet-network-setup in the end just copies the network file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections ... if it's not in there it won't get set
[21:08] <ryukafalz> Hmm alright
[21:08] <sergiusens> ryukafalz: feel free to support it if you want
[21:10] <tvoss_> ogra_, ping
[21:13] <ben_nuttall> My device won't show up in adb devices
[21:13] <ben_nuttall> Any ideas?
[21:14] <ben_nuttall> It's plugged in to my machine by USB - I can lock/unlock it from cli but adb doesn't see it :/
[21:20] <interloper> adb won't respond while the device is in the bootloader
[21:21] <ben_nuttall> interloper: Oh, what state should it be in to use abd?
[21:22] <interloper> any other, ie recovery or booted into system
[21:44] <ben_nuttall> I get "Booting failed" when selecting Start or Recovery mode from the bootloader. Any idea where to go from here?
[21:52] <interloper> I don't have any experience with Ubuntu-touch really, but with android we do fastboot -w in bootloader to wipe cache and data
[21:52] <interloper> that eliminates SOME boot errors
[21:54] <sergiusens> interloper: that used to be in phablet-flash too, but I removed that logic since many people have a bootloader on that doesn't match their data partition
[21:54] <w-flo> ubuntu needs files on /data to boot, so it won't help with booting ubuntu. if you can't boot into recovery, I think you should flash a working recovery
[21:56] <interloper> ah, so he can still wipe cache
[21:57] <interloper> fastboot erase cache
[21:57] <interloper> fastboot format cache
[21:57] <w-flo> interloper, maybe wiping data helps with booting the recovery? Not sure how recoveries work :)
[21:58] <interloper> sergiusens, says there are files flashed to that partition that are needed at boot
[21:59] <interloper> data should not affect recovery, since it is not called for recovery boot
[22:00] <sergiusens> interloper: correct, you can wipe data if you want and still get recovery. Wiping cache is possible
[22:32] <RobbyF> we can't choose the apps in home scope presentation yet?
[22:32] <RobbyF> latest build looks pretty awesome
[22:32] <RobbyF> time to install some dropping letters
[23:11] <interloper> sergiusens, you sure are working on that phablet-tools today
[23:21] <sergiusens> interloper: ?
[23:22] <interloper> you mentioned working on that tool, and I think I've updated it twice today
[23:23] <interloper> it was supposed to be humor
[23:25] <sergiusens> interloper: oh, I don't necessarily update it ;-) People create merge requests for it and they get approved without me eevn knowing
[23:26] <interloper> gotcha.