[10:04] <flipy> After setting up the apache and finally php, I'm trying to configure drupal
[10:04] <azambuja> HappyFool: lets try
[10:04] <[loonz] > what's the problem with firefox?
[10:04] <flipy> I've done the testphp.php to try phpinfo()
[10:05] <flipy> but drupal won't execute, the web browser tries to download the file instead of running it
[10:05] <racho> hi
[10:05] <[loonz] > when are going to have the ubuntu users the last version of Firefox?
[10:05] <azambuja> HappyFool: NOT_AUTENTICATED but lets go :-)
[10:05] <HappyFool> azambuja: heh
[10:05] <everett_> creasy here isn't getting the driver for his EtherExpressPro/100 (eepro100, original Becker driver) loaded on install time, any ideas?
[10:06] <HappyFool> azambuja: i actually used marillat's libdvdcss2 before that got all out of sync with ubuntu, but i think backport's ought to work
[10:07] <azambuja> HappyFool: totem is auto-playing it
[10:07] <azambuja> HappyFool: lets see
[10:08] <HappyFool> azambuja: fwiw i use xine; i think bog-standard totem seems to not be recommended. i think ppl use totem-xine, gmplayer or vlc, usually
[10:08] <ailleantsian> can anyone recommend where i can go to get help on my sound drivers
[10:10] <nvidiarox> hi, how do i install nvidia drivers?
[10:10] <Super_BQ> any Samba users that managed to get it work right with Firestarter ?
[10:10] <nvidiarox> i just installed ubuntbu, how do i setup nvidia with it?
[10:10] <Razor-X> someone _seriously_ needs to fork the Azureus project
[10:10] <tritium> nvidiarox, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:10] <Burgundavia> nvidiarox, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:10] <robotgeek> sorry to ask again, but is FFox 1.0.6 also broken? I upgraded it on my Windows boxen in the lab just today
[10:10] <robotgeek> though it has nothing to do with ubuntu :)
[10:11] <Super_BQ> despite how it says you can allowed SMB port 137-138 under the incoming policies
[10:11] <Razor-X> after decentralization, it takes more than my 256 MB of RAM can handle
[10:11] <poningru> nvidiarox: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia
[10:11] <poningru> or what they said
[10:11] <poningru> anyone know why totem is used as the default player?
[10:11] <poningru> its sucks so much
[10:11] <DekaPink> Oh, there we go... apt-get remove kde*
[10:11] <desrt> poningru; actually, it doesn't
[10:11] <poningru> why not vlc or something?
[10:11] <wezzer-> use mplayer
[10:11] <desrt> poningru; apt-get install totem-xine
[10:11] <Super_BQ> I know it's firestarter causing the block because samba works perfect when I disable the firewall - so I have the shares done right
[10:12] <poningru> desrt: I know
[10:12] <liquidten> poningru: because totem supports many many more file types than vlc
[10:12] <Dr_Melectaus> Im haveing a few problems gnome bittorrent, when i open it the choose torrent to open appears, but once i choose a torrent the window dissapears and nothing else happens. Ive tried reinstalling it but not sure if i done it righ
[10:12] <poningru> liquidten: please give example
[10:12] <jasoncohen> what's wrong with firefox 1.0.6? As long as you upgrade your extensions it's fine? are there certain extensions causing problems. i have 1.0.6 with extended preferences <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:12] <Dr_Melectaus> **correctly
[10:12] <nvidiarox> should i use offical nvidia drivers or the unbutbu ones?
[10:12] <everett_> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[10:12] <jasoncohen> and is ubuntu's firefox having the same issues as 1.0.6?
[10:12] <samu> i never managed to play anything in totem
[10:12] <poningru> and which cannot be solved by adding those libs
[10:12] <everett_> I am never compiling using a .config from a binary file again....
[10:12] <everett_> I'm being drowned in useless modules
[10:13] <poningru> I bet you half of these people do not use totem
[10:13] <tritium> nvidiarox, the ubuntu ones please
[10:13] <nvidiarox> k
[10:13] <poningru> how about making totem-xine or vlc the default
[10:13] <Dr_Melectaus> Im haveing a few problems gnome bittorrent, when i open it the choose torrent to open appears, but once i choose a torrent the window dissapears and nothing else happens. Ive tried reinstalling it but not sure if i done it correctly
[10:13] <everett_> xine/mplayer all te way
[10:13] <Jeandre> The Ubuntu update manager reports "W: GPG error"s "signatures were invalid: BADSIG". Am I doing something wrong, or is there a problem with security.ubuntu.com ?
[10:13] <djp> poningru: i do!
[10:14] <poningru> djp: ?
[10:14] <everett_> Dr, try opening it in a terminal to see if there is error output.
[10:14] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks everett_
[10:14] <djp> poningru: use totem!
[10:14] <Super_BQ> any Samba users that managed to get it work right with Firestarter (firewall)
[10:14] <poningru> djp: I am not getting into a zealot wars
[10:15] <poningru> all I am saying is that compared to other players totem seems choppy
[10:15] <jasoncohen> poningru, there's discussion of making totem-xine the default in breezy
[10:15] <jasoncohen> i think it would be a very good idea
[10:15] <poningru> oh ok
[10:15] <robotgeek> poningru, true :)
[10:15] <liquidten> mplayer doesn't support DVD menus so i rarely use that, but xine does, but xine takes too long to start up where totem-xine will startup in 2 seconds.   Totem-gstreamer just sucks
[10:15] <Dr_Melectaus>  everett_  melectaus@ubuntu:~$ open gnome bittorrent
[10:15] <Dr_Melectaus> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[10:15] <Dr_Melectaus> Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console
[10:15] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: have you tried using netstat -lnpt and netstat -lnpu to find out which ports samba is listening on?
[10:15] <everett_> O.o
[10:16] <anacron> o.O
[10:16] <everett_> not a (&*^(@&% clue what that is about.
[10:16] <samu> totem sucks
[10:16] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: according to /etc/services, you'll need at least 137, 138 and 139 open (tcp and udp)
[10:16] <Dr_Melectaus> to run it in terminal, it is open <file>
[10:16] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: what do you open a torrent file in?
[10:16] <djp> once gstreamer comes on i think things will improve. that is why i think it is the default player and not the xine version. gstreamer will be a good asset in the future
[10:16] <poningru> what browser I mean
[10:16] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: and 445 (tcp and udp)
[10:16] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, i open it with gnome bitttorrent
[10:16] <liquidten> gstreamer is too cpu intensive for me
[10:16] <Super_BQ> HappyFool: how do I enable port 445?
[10:16] <Dr_Melectaus> - 1t
[10:17] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: um. doesn't firestarter let you open specific ports?
[10:17] <Super_BQ> HappyFool: firewall only allows me to like add (policies) for SMB default ports
[10:17] <poningru> no I mean what executable do you open?
[10:17] <poningru> do you open the -bin file or the sh file?
[10:17] <everett_> drivers/isdn/capi/capidrv.c:2108:10: warning: #warning FIXME: maybe a race condition the card should be removed here from global list /kkeil, hahaha, I love kernel output. :D
[10:17] <Super_BQ> HappyFool: only shows port 137-139 that I can allow
[10:17] <Super_BQ> HappyFool: incoming (LAN)
[10:18] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: i don't know firestarter, or firewalls generally, sorry
[10:18] <Dr_Melectaus> poing, ill just check
[10:18] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: isn't there a 'custom' option somewhere?
[10:18] <Super_BQ> HappyFool: when I try to connect - the events show the UDP port 137 is blocked
[10:18] <everett_> Super, try emailing / contacting the company/developer too.
[10:18] <everett_> It should be in their documents.
[10:18] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru,  .torrent
[10:18] <jasoncohen> Super_BQ, what's the problem. i use firestarter
[10:18] <djp> Dr_Melectaus: do you normally open it via firefox? i.e., click on a torrent link and then use the default app to download it?
[10:18] <Super_BQ> i've googled and apparently there's tons of people with the same problem but no real simple fix
[10:18] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: so allow 137? or are you?
[10:19] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: how did you configure for samba?
[10:19] <icebreak> hi
[10:19] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: maybe you need to set the firewall manually using iptables -- i don't know much about that though, sorry
[10:19] <jasoncohen> Super_BQ, you need to open port 137-139 on the samba server
[10:19] <Dr_Melectaus> djp, i go to apps>interweb>gnome bittorrent
[10:19] <icebreak> i just installed ubuntu, and i work in refresh 60hz
[10:19] <Super_BQ> HappyFool: even when I right click on the block message to allow it - it still comes up with the same problem
[10:19] <icebreak> how can i turn it to 100 ?
[10:19] <icebreak> ?
[10:19] <HappyFool> Super_BQ: hmm. do you really need a firewall? what other services are you running?
[10:19] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: but the samba server works fine when I stop the firestarter firewall
[10:19] <jasoncohen> Super_BQ, go to policy, right click, choose add rule, then select name and choose samba
[10:20] <jasoncohen> that should show 137-139 445
[10:20] <Super_BQ> HappyFool: ssh, ftp, http seem to work fine
[10:20] <jasoncohen> hit add and then hit apply
[10:20] <jasoncohen> apply policy
[10:20] <jasoncohen> otherwise it won't take affect
[10:20] <djp> Dr_Melectaus: ok. reason i ask, is i always go via a torrent link and open it via firefox. unfortunately this no longer works with the latest security update for ff... :(
[10:20] <icebreak> can anybody help me with refresh rate?
[10:20] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: OH so I just manuall ADD 445 ?
[10:20] <jdorse> man.. my firefox has suddenly started seg faulting today
[10:21] <jasoncohen> Super_BQ, no...445 is there
[10:21] <Dr_Melectaus> ok thanks dj28
[10:21] <Dr_Melectaus> djp
[10:21] <Dr_Melectaus> *^
[10:21] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: when I add it only shows 137-139
[10:21] <jdorse> like usualy when I close a second tab
[10:21] <jasoncohen> Super_BQ, when you click on the drop down name menu and choose Samba (SMB) don't you see 137-139 445
[10:21] <liquidten> firefox is broken right now  i think now would actually be the perfect time to use the Deer Park Alpha 2 build
[10:21] <jasoncohen> Super_BQ, add 445
[10:21] <jasoncohen> then hit add and apply policy
[10:21] <everett_> OMFG WILL THIS KERNEL EVERFINISH COMPILING.
[10:21] <jasoncohen> Super_BQ, i'm using firestarter 1.0.3 from backports so it might be a bit different
[10:21] <kbrooks> everett_: calm
[10:21] <jdorse> can I revert back to the previous firefox?
[10:22] <everett_> At this rate I am going to miss SG-1.
[10:22] <icebreak> can anybody help me with installing nviia drivers?
[10:22] <everett_> That, will be not be acceptable.
[10:22] <jasoncohen> jdorse, upgrade your extensions or remove them
[10:22] <everett_> !nvidia
[10:22] <jasoncohen> extensions are causing the issue
[10:22] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:22] <kbrooks> everett_: it is not the end of the world
[10:22] <everett_> blasphemy.
[10:22] <jdorse> jasoncohen, I've had it do it without any extensions
[10:22] <jasoncohen> jdorse, tools > extensions > upgrade
[10:22] <everett_> ;D
[10:22] <jasoncohen> jdorse, really...
[10:22] <jdorse> there is no such button
[10:23] <jasoncohen> jdorse, are you using ubuntu's firefox or backports?
[10:23] <jdorse> ubuntu
[10:23] <djp> jdorse: yes you can revert
[10:23] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: I only could add a separate entry of SMB with 445
[10:23] <jasoncohen> jdorse, do you hae any extensions there?
[10:23] <jasoncohen> Super_BQ, that's fine
[10:23] <icebreak> what is linux-restricted-modules and how do i install it?
[10:23] <jdorse> no, I totally wiped out my .mozilla dir
[10:23] <jasoncohen> just make sure you hit apply policy
[10:23] <mtraker> hi
[10:23] <tritium> icebreak, the easiest way is to install linux-686, or whichever architecture you have.
[10:23] <nuky> hey all.. :)
[10:23] <jdorse> I did rm -rfv ~/.mozilla
[10:24] <jasoncohen> jdorse, you should have backed it up
[10:24] <tritium> That will pull in linux-restricted-modules as a dependency
[10:24] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: you know the funny thing is.. I had it working before I rebooted
[10:24] <jasoncohen> jdorse, mv .mozilla .mozilla.backup
[10:24] <jdorse> I did.
[10:24] <jdorse> copied then removed
[10:24] <jdorse> I've been slowly trying to move things back
[10:24] <tritium> icebreak, they provide ati, nvidia kernel modules for example (among others)
[10:24] <djp> jdorse: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51049&highlight=firefox
[10:24] <Tifa> icebreak: linux-restricted-modules is a collection of kernel modules (mostly drivers I think) which have licenses which make them non-free in some way
[10:24] <icebreak> i seem to have it installed
[10:24] <jasoncohen> jdorse, ok then- try the official 1.0.6 build
[10:24] <icebreak> but i cant get glx to work
[10:24] <icebreak> i get direct render: no
[10:24] <jasoncohen> jdorse, it's easy to install
[10:24] <nuky> can i ask a really quick question? how do i search for files in ubuntu?
[10:25] <mtraker> I want to install pyvoice in ubuntu, It's possible?
[10:25] <icebreak> the FAQ didnt work
[10:25] <icebreak> i did nvidia-glx enable
[10:25] <jasoncohen> jdorse, instructions are here - http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.6.html
[10:25] <icebreak> and yet it dosnt work
[10:25] <tritium> icebreak, you also need fglrx stuff installed.  Did you follow the BinaryDriverHowto?
[10:25] <nuky> like i wanna know where perl is.. so i did "find / perl" but that bring up lots of crap
[10:25] <jasoncohen> jdorse, download here  - http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
[10:25] <icebreak> yeah i did
[10:25] <icebreak> and no it dosnt work
[10:25] <jdorse> jasoncohen, I think I'll just downgrade to ubuntu5.3
[10:25] <HappyFool> mtraker: possibly; what libraries does it require?
[10:25] <jasoncohen> jdorse, i wouldn't
[10:25] <pavilionubuntu> hi, i have a big problem.... i need ubuntu in my new notebook HP Pavilion6062 (amd 64bits), when im starting install ubuntu (original cd, 64bits), after the menu, screen is down and the system stoped. i think that is the resolution, can i change this? what can i do?!!!! THXXXX
[10:25] <jdorse> it was working fine.
[10:25] <jasoncohen> jdorse, then you'll have no security updates since 1.0.2
[10:26] <tritium> Fiercetactics, please don't do that
[10:26] <icebreak> what could be the problem ?
[10:26] <jasoncohen> jdorse, this won't overwrite firefox
[10:26] <slask3n> jdorse: what is ubuntu5.3 ? :P
[10:26] <jasoncohen> it'll keep your ubuntu version
[10:26] <jdorse> jasoncohen, I don't want to run one from my home dir.
[10:26] <jdorse> that's nasty
[10:26] <tritium> icebreak, perhaps you followed it incorrectly or your card is not supported?  that's a tried and true wiki page.  Many have followed it successfully.
[10:26] <jasoncohen> jdorse, you can install in /opt
[10:26] <bojan> hi! i am looking for an expirienced anjuta user, for some help
[10:26] <Rawplayer> is there some official ubuuntu ppc channel!
[10:26] <icebreak> i have the gefocre 6600gt
[10:26] <nuky> anyone? i've tried lots of things... like find / (perl) find . -perl and even tried a few egrep ones but non of them seemed to work
[10:26] <icebreak> i would think it is supported
[10:26] <jdorse> jasoncohen, I'd rather not make an end run around the package manager.
[10:27] <jasoncohen> jdorse, nevermind- if you backup to 5.3 you'll have security updates to 1.0.4
[10:27] <pavilionubuntu> hi!!!:S
[10:27] <jasoncohen> jdorse, whatever you want- i have both installed w/o problems. there are absolutely no conflicts since i installed it to my home dir as a user
[10:27] <jasoncohen> feels faster too
[10:28] <msieradzki> really firefox is broken?
[10:28] <jdorse> jdorse, but I'll forget to upgrade when the next set of security packages comes along...
[10:28] <jasoncohen> jdorse, wait- i'm sorry 5.3 isn't available any more
[10:28] <jasoncohen> msieradzki, for some
[10:28] <msieradzki> mozilla-firefox is broken and firefox works
[10:28] <bojan> anjuta throws always an error message when i try to create a c++ project
[10:28] <jasoncohen> jdorse, only the original hoary package
[10:28] <msieradzki> i have been upgrading from ubuntu hoary, and i got of course mozilla-firefox
[10:28] <msieradzki> when i switched to firefox package it began to work
[10:28] <jasoncohen> msieradzki, do you have backports?
[10:28] <msieradzki> firefox (1.0.6)
[10:28] <msieradzki> no
[10:29] <jasoncohen> well...1.0.6 is only in backports
[10:29] <msieradzki> i'm using breezy, so what for?
[10:29] <jasoncohen> oh, ok
[10:29] <jdorse> 1.0.6 is in backports?
[10:29] <jasoncohen> in breezy, the package is firefox
[10:29] <jdorse> hrm
[10:29] <sturmkind> hello
[10:29] <jasoncohen> mozilla-firefox is just a dummy package for upgrade
[10:29] <pavilionubuntu> hi.....
[10:29] <mtraker> HappyFool,  the message when i run pyvoiceit's this: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module pytspc: This Python has API version 1012, module pytspc has version 1011.
[10:30] <HappyFool> mtraker: so you probably need to compile pyvoiceit for ubuntu
[10:30] <msieradzki> in breezy it isn't automagically upgrading to "firefox" package, i have thinked about reporting bug but as i've said it is from mozilla-firefox package
[10:30] <bojan> HappyFool: anjuta throws always an error message when i try to create a c++ project
[10:30] <slask3n> I get this error when try running a mediafile "Totem could not play 'file:///home/slask3n/Kai Tracid - Too many times.mp3'. - Could not open resource for writing." anyone knows why?
[10:30] <HappyFool> bojan: i'm afraid i'm not an anjuta user -- was that message intended for someone else?
[10:31] <sturmkind> hello, is it possible that much of the ubuntu hoary cd's are buggy? i get about 300 and want to give it to some lugs and two universities but vom 30 i test only one works ;-(
[10:31] <stian__> slask3n: tried xmms?
[10:31] <bojan> HappyFool: excuse me, i thought that you also use anjuta
[10:31] <Le> Bonsoir all, i got a problem with my laptop and a screensaver from i d'ont know where any more because i 've shut down (or i beleive i have done it) If i don't type or move my mouse, a blackscreen appears. Well is there any one who can help me please ?
[10:31] <liquidten> sturmkind:  Yes it is.  About 25 out of the thirty they sent me were 100% bad.
[10:31] <HappyFool> mtraker: that should not be too difficult; the only possibly hard part is finding out what libraries pyvoiceit needs installed
[10:32] <jdorse> ubuntu should really fix the package in hoary.
[10:32] <thingfish> misfit_toy: you watching?
[10:32] <sturmkind> liquidten: urks ;-( thats hard
[10:32] <liquidten> sturmkind:  they failed md5sum tests and on each install they failed trying to install bsd-utils(or something like that) the other 5 worked fine though
[10:32] <tritium> jdorse, it's being worked on
[10:32] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: sorry no dice :(
[10:32] <jdorse> tritium, until then, they should pull the updated broken one :P
[10:32] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: do I have to make changes to the 'outbound traffic policy' ?
[10:33] <sturmkind> liquidten: the 30 i test won't start on bootup only one works fine. i have to test much more cds tomorrow
[10:33] <tritium> jdorse, you're free to uninstall it
[10:33] <jdorse> I just did, but less tech savvy users won't be able to do that.
[10:34] <Super_BQ> jasoncohen: still comes up with port 137 source <IP_ADDRESS> (me) UDP SMB in the Events
[10:34] <sturmkind> so i have to play some pen and paper ;-) cheers
[10:34] <slask3n> stian__: no, but it seems like its the sound-output device or something thats fucking..
[10:34] <djp> jdorse: it is due to the security updates that it is left. as tritium says though you can down grade. i'm just sticking with it and waiting for the fix...
[10:35] <stian__> slask3n: yes I think so. Check if any other audio programs work.
[10:35] <slask3n> stian__: i have tested musicplayer etc however
[10:35] <wing`> is there anyone who can help me sharing internet to windows?
[10:35] <wing`> ubuntu > win
[10:35] <stian__> slask3n: hmm.. oeky, sorry cant help you.
[10:35] <wing`> please
[10:35] <tritium> djp, excellent point
[10:35] <slask3n> stian__: ok, thanks for the try at least :)
[10:36] <stian__> :)
[10:37] <wing`> please i need some help sharing internet connection with an windows box
[10:37] <djp> jdorse: it's pretty secure for me at the moment... i can't even click on a link to a media file in order to open it! nothing happens! but i just workaround it by right clicking and downloading to hard disk that way.
[10:37] <djp> ;)
[10:37] <edi> wow, ubuntu is great!!!
[10:38] <xliu> what is WindowMaker
[10:38] <slask3n> I get this error when try running a mediafile "Totem could not play 'file:///home/slask3n/Kai Tracid - Too many times.mp3'. - Could not open resource for writing." anyone knows why? I have tested in other players like musicplayer too, but get the same message "Could not open resource for writing".. seems like its the sounddevice or something beyond my knowledge..i have just reformatted the system, but i got it a couple times before to, bu
[10:38] <slask3n> t then i could just reboot and it was ok. its not like that now, i have rebooted 3 times and it still doesnt work.. .s
[10:38] <thingfish> does ubuntu use defoma?
[10:38] <edi> xliu: is a window manager, next step look...
[10:38] <edi> thingfish, i think so
[10:38] <thingfish> thanks, edi.
[10:39] <wing`> man, no one knows about lan here?
[10:39] <wing`> i need some help in a easy problem
[10:39] <Dr_Melectaus> Is ubuntu not meant to play DVD's ?
[10:40] <edi> slask3n, try if you can copy these files
[10:40] <kbrooks> Dr_Melectaus: it is.
[10:40] <kbrooks> Dr_Melectaus: er, yes and no
[10:40] <edi> Dr_Melectaus, yes, of course
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> i put schindlers list in. didnt work, then tried a few others and got squat
[10:40] <thingfish> many distros need extra stuff in order to play DVDs, Dr_Melectaus.
[10:40] <edi> Dr_Melectaus, try installing xine
[10:40] <kbrooks> Dr_Melectaus: do you have a cd or dvd drive?
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> For some reason my machine doesnt want to play DVD's
[10:40] <Dr_Melectaus> yes i have a cd/dvd drive lol
[10:40] <portahex> libdvdcss
[10:41] <edi> Dr_Melectaus, try invoking the file player from a console
[10:41] <kbrooks> Dr_Melectaus: NO i mean either
[10:41] <qt2> so... i have no idea what the hell is wrong :(
[10:41] <qt2> like... everything randomly crashes.
[10:41] <qt2> even x drops out and reboots sometimes.
[10:41] <slask3n> edi: the mediafiles? all the permission are correct, and i have run them several times before.. as said i think its the sound-device or something..
[10:41] <qt2> crashing stops just short of the kernel.
[10:41] <HappyFool> qt2: you still running that memory test?
[10:41] <qt2> and it's not my memory.
[10:41] <qt2> HappyFool, yep, no errors.
[10:41] <edi> slask3n, can you launch alsaplayer?
[10:41] <Dr_Melectaus> kbrooks, sorry?
[10:42] <HappyFool> qt2: hmm. are you running any closed-source (nvidia/ati/winmodem) drivers?
[10:42] <edi> qt2, can see logs under /var/log/...
[10:42] <kbrooks> Dr_Melectaus: do you have a cd OR dvd drive? one or the other, not both
[10:42] <qt2> HappyFool, none at all.
[10:42] <edi> qt2, messages and syslog are good starting points
[10:42] <poningru> Stop it
[10:42] <poningru> this is a safe zone
[10:42] <Dr_Melectaus> i have both
[10:42] <poningru> sorry wrong window
[10:42] <Dr_Melectaus> its a combo
[10:42] <kbrooks> Dr_Melectaus: just checking
[10:42] <slask3n> edi: how do i do that? i tried alsaplayer now so i wouldnt look like a fool :P but i got "bash: alsaplayer: command not found"
[10:42] <kbrooks> Dr_Melectaus: i cant play dvds :(
[10:42] <portahex> how is this complex? you need decss
[10:43] <portahex> gah
[10:43] <Dr_Melectaus> kbrooks, the drive ive got is a dvd/cd drive
[10:43] <edi> slask3n, i think you need alsa (sound drivers)
[10:43] <occy> any eta on firefox getting fixed?
[10:43] <portahex> try downloading and dpkg -i'ing ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-0.0_i386.deb
[10:43] <Dr_Melectaus> kbrooks, me neither by the looks of things
[10:43] <djp> Dr_Melectaus: regarding dvd's, no to a point. for some info if you are interested read the following http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html
[10:43] <HappyFool> qt2: sorry, i don't know. it sounds like faulty hardware. have you looked in the logs as edi suggested?
[10:43] <kbrooks> portahex: Ni,
[10:43] <kbrooks> No*
[10:43] <thingfish> occy - there's someone else who used to be a fedora person.
[10:43] <slask3n> edi: arent alsa installed from the beginning? it always has before..
[10:43] <occy> thingfish, heh
[10:43] <qt2> HappyFool, saw nothing of signifigance before, i'll check again though.
[10:43] <thingfish> hi occy
[10:43] <slask3n> edi: but ill check now
[10:43] <occy> thingfish, :)
[10:43] <kbrooks> portahex: DO NOT direct people to use marillat.
[10:44] <everett_> Anybody bored? Wanna get in a zealot debate? Okay, I'll start, monolithic vs micro kernels.
[10:44] <edi> slask3n, yes, please, look for it in synaptic
[10:44] <HappyFool> qt2: maybe you should run 'badblocks' on your hard-drive, i guess from the livecd
[10:44] <portahex> kbrooks, feel free to suggest a more suitable repo. or answer their problem.
[10:44] <guerby> hi, any openvpn user out there? I'd like to assign a fixed IP to each client, it looks like it's done with the "ipp.txt" file but I cannot find the file format in the doc, any idea?
[10:44] <Dr_Melectaus> are there any other torrent clients other than bittorrent
[10:44] <thingfish> yeah, I mean even debian has to go to marillat.
[10:44] <thingfish> for libdvdcss
[10:44] <kbrooks> portahex: marillat is a debian repo and is therefore incompatible with ubuntu
[10:45] <thingfish> ah
[10:45] <Burgundavia> portahex, hoary-extras for the backports has the same stuff, compiled for ubuntu
[10:45] <kbrooks> portahex: just because ubuntu is based on debian doesnt mean they look or taste the same, etc
[10:45] <edi> guerby: in config files: "remote xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
[10:45] <Dr_Melectaus> are there any other torrent clients other than bittorrent
[10:45] <thingfish> maybe it's in universe or multiverse then.
[10:45] <edi> Dr_Melectaus, try azureus, it's good a lot
[10:45] <portahex> odd, that exact package installed for me a few seconds ago
[10:45] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: i think i used bittornado for a while
[10:46] <kbrooks> portahex: irrevelant
[10:46] <slask3n> edi: i got alsa-base, gstreamer0.8-alsa, alsa-utils, and libpt-plugin-alsa installed.. and im installing alsaplayer-alsa now
[10:46] <portahex> kbrooks, so suggest something better.
[10:46] <kbrooks> portahex: *newbies*
[10:46] <Burgundavia> portahex, hoary-extras has the same packages, compiled for hoary
[10:46] <slask3n> edi: or should i install it? i never been using it before
[10:46] <edi> slask3n, you may have alsamixer in /usr/bin
[10:47] <edi> slask3n, don't you?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> portahex, marilliat is compiled against a newer libc than hoary and thus causes all kinds of problems
[10:47] <everett_> You know what would be nice? An OSS encryption scheme, end users use it for free, all the big media giants have to pay liscensing fees.  But i tried running it thru terminal, and tried thru apps> run prog
[10:48] <kbrooks> sheesh
[10:48] <flipy> does anyone have drupal installed?
[10:49] <Dr_Melectaus> looked in apps>interweb>
[10:49] <edi> Dr_Melectaus, and what is the error you get?
[10:49] <everett_> portahex, how about you realize how many people have problems,combined with the fact only a few experinced users are available for answers, and consider that most problems can be fixed by reading the forums/documentation.
[10:49] <Dr_Melectaus> edi, try t open the torrent and it says so and so cant be displayed
[10:49] <slask3n> edi: AlsaMixer output: "Card: Camera; Chip: USB Mixer; View: Playback; Item: Auto Gain Control"
[10:50] <edi> pexi, spain?
[10:50] <pexi> si
[10:50] <edi> Dr_Melectaus, from browser?
[10:50] <flipy> how can I change the password for root in mysql'
[10:50] <flipy> ?
[10:50] <edi> slask3n, you have a camera and it has been put first in device list
[10:50] <Dr_Melectaus> melectaus@ubuntu:~$ open bittornado
[10:50] <Dr_Melectaus> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[10:50] <Dr_Melectaus> Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console
[10:50] <edi> slask3n, try alsamixer -c 1
[10:50] <terje> hello, how do I get sshd to start when the system boots?
[10:51] <qt2> HappyFool,  i'm seeing lots of stack traces and stuff in /var/log/messages... <.<;
[10:51] <slask3n> edi: how do i fix that? the camera is my microphone..
[10:51] <resiak> everett_: The point is that this channel is utterly useless at actually answering questions. portahex may have not been recommending the Official Ubuntu Way, but why didn't those people who stabbed him for it just answer the original question?
[10:51] <edi> Dr_Melectaus, save your file, open a console and type "bittornado <filename>"
[10:51] <lydon> terje: if you use apt-get install sshd, then it should start automatically anyway
[10:51] <djp> Dr_Melectaus: why don't you right click and save as, the torrent file you wish to download in firefox. then browse to the .toorent file you have downloaded and double click it. it should open the default gnome-bittorrent program
[10:51] <edi> slask3n, have you tried "alsamixer -c 1"?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> resiak, no it is not and I clearly answered why not to use marilliat and provided a different option
[10:51] <terje> Thanks Lydon, I've already installed it.
[10:52] <terje> Do I not need to get the init scripts configured or does the package do that?
[10:52] <lydon> terje: the package should do that automatically
[10:52] <terje> thanks
[10:52] <Dr_Melectaus> djp the file is on my desktop
[10:52] <everett_> resiak, what was his original question before he threw the hissy fit?
[10:52] <slask3n> edi: yes im in there now, it says "Card: VIA 8235; Chip: Realtek ALC650E; View: Playback; Item: Master" this time..
[10:52] <Dr_Melectaus> it doesnt work when i open it
[10:52] <lydon> no problem
[10:53] <resiak> everett_: portahex was _answering_ someone
[10:53] <edi> slask3n, you have to invert the order of your modules
[10:53] <Dr_Melectaus> Couldn't display "/home/melectaus/Desktop/OST-...8Retail%29-2004-MUSiQ.torrent".
[10:53] <djp> Dr_Melectaus: right click on the file and see if gnome-bittorrent is set as the default app to open the .torrent file
[10:53] <resiak> Burgundavia: You told portahex. Why didn't you answer the original question that he answered (wrongly) if you know the answer and have time to type it out?
[10:53] <slask3n> edi: how do i do that? i am a semi-n00b, and a real n00b when it comes to this..
[10:53] <lydon> has anyone installed baghira (I think that's spelled right) on Ubuntu?
[10:53] <guerby> edi, thanks (I assume I have to do this on the server only and "remote" is the client name let's try...
[10:54] <Dr_Melectaus> gnome bittorrent isnt there
[10:54] <La_PaRCa> Um... the flash plugin is blocking my firefox when I try to close a page that has any flash in it
[10:54] <Dr_Melectaus> i tried totally removeing it, then reinstalling it
[10:54] <Burgundavia> resiak, I can in the middle of dispute. I only mentioned hoary-extras, because it provides marilliat for hoary
[10:54] <Dr_Melectaus> but it isnt appeating
[10:54] <edi> slask3n, i have been looking for a solution
[10:54] <Dr_Melectaus> appearing*
[10:54] <djp> Dr_Melectaus: if it isn't, use the open with other application... and search for gnome-bittorrent to open the file
[10:54] <resiak> Burgundavia: I'm well aware of that.
[10:54] <edi> slask3n, open /etc/modutils/alsa-base in a text editor, please
[10:54] <Dr_Melectaus> gnome-bittorrent isnt there
[10:54] <slask3n> edi: ok
[10:55] <pexi> Dr_Melectaus, you can use azureus
[10:55] <Burgundavia> resiak, the livdvdcss question?
[10:55] <edi> slask3n, go to the end of the file
[10:55] <resiak> Burgundavia: _Yes_.
[10:55] <Burgundavia> resiak, hoary-extras provides that
[10:55] <edi> slask3n, you will see lines that start with "options"
[10:55] <Dr_Melectaus> pexi, how do i download azureus
[10:55] <djp> Dr_Melectaus: be aware that azureus requires sun java
[10:55] <slask3n> edi: yes
[10:55] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[10:55] <pexi> http://azureus.sf.net
[10:55] <resiak> Burgundavia: _I_ _KNOW_.
[10:55] <resiak> *gone*
[10:55] <edi> Dr_Melectaus, go to the download page (with browser), look for it in google
[10:55] <Burgundavia> resiak, ok
[10:56] <qt2> HappyFool, would you like me to post it up somewhere?
[10:56] <edi> slask3n, look for the id of your card "viaxxxxxxx"
[10:56] <djp> Dr_Melectaus: for your info... http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
[10:56] <slask3n> edi: options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2 :: options snd-bt87x index=-2 :: options snd-intel8x0m index=-2 :: options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
[10:56] <Dr_Melectaus> edi, cant i apt get it
[10:56] <mike_> how do I use a diff file to apply patches to source?
[10:56] <edi> slask3n, change it ...
[10:56] <qt2> Dr_Melectaus, http://azureus.sf.net/
[10:56] <HappyFool> qt2: your logs?
[10:56] <HappyFool> qt2: you seeing anything useful?
[10:56] <edi> slask3n, please, do a lsmod in a console
[10:56] <qt2> HappyFool, the message log is the only one with any thing about crages...
[10:57] <qt2> HappyFool, lots of stack traces and stuff...
[10:57] <slask3n> edi: should i reverse the order here? doing lsmod now..
[10:57] <Apophis> my cousin installed ubuntu today ubuntu , ubuntu could find his modem ;( what can we try ?
[10:57] <HappyFool> qt2: um. you can put it up on the pastebin, i guess, but i'm not sure i'll be able to help
[10:57] <HappyFool> !pastebin
[10:57] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[10:57] <edi> mike_, depends on the kind of diff, but may be something as "patch -p1 < file.diff" under the directory of the application
[10:57] <HappyFool> qt2: also, i'm sleepy and i want to go to bed soon ;)
[10:57] <azambuja> hi
[10:57] <Apophis> modem Best Data Fax modem
[10:58] <edi> slask3n, you have to tell me about the snd-card-xxxxx lines
[10:58] <azambuja> anyone could please help me with one annoying thing?
[10:58] <azambuja> i have configured the network properly and it works fine. but when i reboot it cant connect to the net. Then i do a network restart and everything is fine
[10:59] <azambuja> how can i fix this? what can it be?
[10:59] <loderunner> I've managed to royally screw my file ownerships
[10:59] <mike_> edi, how can I tell?
[10:59] <slask3n> edi: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/722
[10:59] <edi> slask3n, have i explained it correctly? my english is not much good
[10:59] <edi> slask3n, ok, lets see
[10:59] <taromaru> coudl somebody tell me a  command to Block a desktop?
[10:59] <slask3n> edi: i pasted it in pastebin.. your english is ok :)
[10:59] <taromaru> xlock or something else
[10:59] <edi> slask3n, tnx
[10:59] <mike_> edi, starts like this  diff -X ignore -Nru clean/wine/dlls/d3d8/basetexture.c patch/wine/dlls/d3d8/bas$--- clean/wine/dlls/d3d8/basetexture.c  2005-06-03 19:08:48.000000000 +0100
[10:59] <mike_> +++ patch/wine/dlls/d3d8/basetexture.c  2005-06-14 13:41:56.000000000 +0100
[10:59] <mike_> @@ -130,7 +130,7 @@
[10:59] <mike_>      return This->levels;
[10:59] <mike_>  }
[10:59] <slask3n> edi: where are you from?
[10:59] <loderunner> I need to find a way to change owners for everything in a dir, all subdirs, files and hidden files.  It's the hidden files that's the tricky part
[11:00] <mike_> sorry for spam people
[11:00] <edi> slask3n, spain
[11:00] <edi> :)
[11:00] <loderunner> I can't do chown -R .* because that affects, well, everything
[11:00] <taromaru> as me!
[11:00] <slask3n> edi: ok.. i want to go to spain now! its cold here in norway! :P hehe
[11:00] <loderunner> can anyone help me?
[11:00] <taromaru> norway is great
[11:00] <taromaru> sweden is so too
[11:00] <HappyFool> loderunner: maybe you can use 'find' in conjunction with chown
[11:01] <resiak> loderunner: chown * .[^.] *
[11:01] <slask3n> edi: did you get anything out of the lsmod?
[11:01] <resiak> loderunner: -R etc as well.
[11:01] <edi> slask3n, this is your snd card: snd_via82xx
[11:01] <resiak> loderunner: .[^.] * means "starts with a dot, then one non-dot character, then anything else.
[11:01] <slask3n> edi: that can be correct.. its a asus a7v8x and is using via chipset
[11:01] <loderunner> oh cool
[11:01] <loderunner> that's exactly what I need
[11:01] <loderunner> thnx a bunch
[11:02] <resiak> loderunner: Unless you have files that start with .. but aren't just ..
[11:02] <edi> slask3n, and this is the other driver: snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio
[11:02] <loderunner> I shouldn't have...
[11:02] <slask3n> edi: snd_usb_audio is the camera
[11:02] <slask3n> edi: thats almost ecverything i know :P
[11:03] <edi> slask3n, put it at the end of /etc/modutils/alsa-base:
[11:03] <HappyFool> resiak: not that it really matters, but that seems to not match the filename '...'
[11:03] <akk> Anyone know much about font rendering?
[11:03] <Apophis> my cousin installed ubuntu today ubuntu , ubuntu couldnt find his modem ;( what can we try ?
[11:03] <edi> slask3n, "options snd-via82xx index=1" and next line "options snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio index=2"
[11:03] <akk> I'm getting pixellated fonts in hoary in a lot of apps, trying to figure out how to fix them.
[11:04] <desrt> Apophis; is it a winmodem?
[11:04] <edi> slask3n, sorry: "options snd_usb_audio index=2"
[11:04] <slask3n> edi: should i remove the stuff thats there from before?
[11:04] <resiak> HappyFool: No, it doesn't. If you start files with .., it doesn't work. But most people don't, and it's easier than find . -print0 | xargs -0 chown +R badger:snake
[11:04] <edi> slask3n, not "snd_ac97_codec" (paste problem)
[11:04] <HappyFool> Apophis: have you been to the linmodem site? http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/
[11:04] <edi> slask3n, no, add it at the end of file
[11:04] <bina> anyone know of a way to reduce the delay in sound when using aRts in KDE?
[11:04] <resiak> HappyFool: And before you say "You don't need -print0 or -0", you do, if we're expecting stupidly-named files.
[11:05] <desrt> or http://www.linmodems.org/ even
[11:05] <mike_> what command do I type to apply a .diff as a patch?
[11:05] <edi> slask3n, then open a terminal and execute "update-modules"
[11:05] <everett_> bina, I always turn of arts in favor for alsa
[11:05] <resiak> mike_: patch -p0 < file.patch
[11:05] <everett_> *off
[11:05] <resiak> mike_: If that fails, try -p1
[11:05] <mike_> ok
[11:05] <bina> everett_: how do you do that?
[11:06] <nothingssomethin> can someone help me please
[11:06] <everett_> go to control panel, sound and check disable sound server
[11:06] <mike_> resiak, it's asking the file to patch
[11:06] <everett_> make sure alsa is installed.
[11:06] <everett_> then add alsa to your startup. Which I don't remember how to do right now.
[11:06] <edi> slask3n, have you done it?
[11:06] <slask3n> edi: i dot know its correct but now the file looks like this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/723
[11:06] <everett_> !alsa
[11:06] <ubotu> everett_: I haven't a clue
[11:07] <resiak> mike_: You cd into the directory of what you need to patch, then do patch -p0 (or -p1 if that fails) < /path/to/the/patch
[11:07] <Andares> Hi.
[11:07] <edi> slask3n, right
[11:07] <nothingssomethin> i hvae ubuntu and i just wanted to know how to let a windows computer over  a small network see 1or 2 folders from ubuntu and it can't see them
[11:07] <edi> slask3n, now do the "update-modules" in a console
[11:07] <mike_> resiak, cheers
[11:07] <Andares> In Ubuntu, I've noticed a serious quality degredation between music on XP and Ubuntu.
[11:07] <Andares> How can I correct this?
[11:07] <edi> Andares, degradation?
[11:07] <slask3n> edi: bash: update-module: command not found
[11:07] <Andares> edi
[11:08] <edi> slask3n, update-modules
[11:08] <slask3n> oops
[11:08] <Andares> Yes, it sounds like it's 32k sound.
[11:08] <Andares> But it's 128k
[11:08] <aru> all my Hank Williams Sr. sounds perfect :)
[11:08] <edi> Andares, what sound card do you have?
[11:08] <Andares> Strange.
[11:08] <Andares> edi, Crystal SoundFusion is all I know.
[11:08] <nothingssomethin> can anyone please help me or give me some pointers
[11:08] <slask3n> edi: still same problem "could not open resource for writing"
[11:08] <edi> Andares, could it be volume (pcm too high and master too low...), please, play with mixer
[11:08] <anatole> Andares: try and set the pcm sound to 75%
[11:09] <nothingssomethin> maybe sugest a ubuntu page
[11:09] <aru> it isn't rap music you are playing is it, because I head ubuntu doesn't support rap...
[11:09] <akk> Nobody else has seen this blocky font problem?
[11:09] <edi> slask3n, yes, you have to do "/etc/init.d/alsa restart" and it may work
[11:09] <Andares> edi, k.
[11:09] <nothingssomethin> how can it not soupport rap
[11:09] <nothingssomethin> really
[11:09] <slask3n> aru: for me you talking? :P no, its hard-trance/acid
[11:09] <akk> I've tried uncommenting subpixel and autohinting in /etc/fonts/local.conf, but neither one seems to make any difference.
[11:09] <aru> :)
[11:09] <edi> Andares, I have an audigy and have same problem when mixer is not correctly switched
[11:09] <bina> everett_: k thanks
[11:09] <nothingssomethin> aru are you sereous
[11:10] <aru> nothingssomethin: someone said it once as a joke, and I found it funny and decided to repeat it
[11:10] <nothingssomethin> i thought so
[11:10] <nothingssomethin> lol
[11:10] <resiak> ...
[11:10] <Andares> edi, COOL! :)
[11:10] <aru> but I do have a bridge for sale
[11:10] <Andares> Works now.
[11:10] <sun_> hi ubuntu is great i just installed it and i think its running about 10x faster than debian on inspiron 9300.  i was wondering if there's a way to install debian packages which are not in the ubuntu archive?  for example i *really* would like to use ion3 as the window manager.
[11:10] <slask3n> edi. no.. still the same
[11:10] <edi> Andares, right!
[11:11] <nothingssomethin> aru does ubuntu soupport windows fileshare both ways
[11:11] <edi> nothingssomethin, of course, within samba
[11:11] <Andares> nothingssomethin, yes.
[11:11] <aru> I'm not sure, I don't have windows
[11:11] <nothingssomethin> ubuntu comes with samba tho
[11:11] <everett_> sun_, are you familar with synaptic?
[11:11] <nothingssomethin> am i right
[11:11] <edi> slask3n, I can't imagine why does not work. let me see something
[11:11] <sun_> everett_ im used to just using aptitude on the command line, synaptic is a gui from what i understand?
[11:11] <slask3n> nothingssomethin: if its smb you mean so yes.. :) install smb and you can have a winshare on linux too
[11:12] <emX> sun_: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the 'universe' sections and you'll get access to most debian packages (including ion3, which I'm using right now)
[11:12] <everett_> Yes, it is installed in ubuntu  by default, very helpful.
[11:12] <emX> sun_: then 'apt-get update', followed by 'sudo apt-get install ion3'
[11:12] <robert_pectol> akk:   I noticed a somewhat "blocky" looking font in xmms but everything else looks good here.
[11:12] <everett_> go to system > administration, synaptic
[11:12] <emX> sun_: *'sudo apt-get update'
[11:12] <nothingssomethin> are there any goood smb pages i can read for begners
[11:12] <slask3n> edi: just tell me what you need to see, and ill copy the file/consoleoutput for you.. or you can command me to do things :) youre my master now! ;) hehe :p
[11:12] <sun_> emX thanks _a lot!_ im sure you appreciate why i really must have ion3 since you seem to be a fan also
[11:12] <nothingssomethin> beginers
[11:13] <emX> sun_: i'm very,very,very,very happy with it. ion3/screen makes my day.
[11:13] <akk> robert_pectol: I'm seeing it in all terminal clients, in fvwm titlebars, and in gtkfontsel ... basically everywhere except xchat.
[11:13] <edi> slask3n, can you reboot? problem can fix with a reboot
[11:13] <edi> slask3n, ill stay here until problem will fix
[11:13] <slask3n> edi: ok, ill be back soon :)
[11:13] <robert_pectol> akk:   That's odd!  I wish I knew what to tell you!
[11:14] <Apophis> my cousin installed ubuntu today ubuntu , ubuntu couldnt find his modem ;( what can we try ?
[11:14] <incompetence> hi
[11:14] <Apophis> make : BestData
[11:14] <Apophis> fax modem
[11:14] <edi> hi incompetence
[11:14] <everett_> Apophis, was your cousin in here befopre under the name creasy?
[11:15] <Apophis> plz help
[11:15] <catfox> hi all. can anyone point to somewhere with examples of ubuntu xorg.conf and fstab files? i don't have access to my hoary box to get them
[11:15] <incompetence> i messed up my dbus/hal/gnome-volume-manager i installed a self compiled <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[11:15] <everett_> catfox, want me to just send you mine?
[11:15] <Apophis> evernett_ No
[11:15] <akk> robert_pectol: For instance, http://shallowsky.com/tmp/screenshot.png
[11:15] <Apophis> can u guys plz help me out.
[11:15] <akk> (that's with one of the msttcorefonts, but lots of native fonts display just as badly)
[11:15] <incompetence> g-v-m tells me now "Error: device /dev/sda1 is not removable"
[11:16] <catfox> everett_, sure thanks. i need an xorg.conf with a synaptics setup though
[11:16] <everett_> well for starters try using "cardname linux" at google.
[11:16] <Apophis> no linux drivers on bestdata.com ;(
[11:16] <everett_> errr, that I don't have.
[11:16] <chris24tnt> hi, everyone. i just installed ubuntu on my laptop, and i'm having a little trouble finding documentation on getting the wifi adapter working
[11:16] <chris24tnt> anyone here had any luck with that?
[11:16] <La_PaRCa> chris24tnt, what wi.fi adapter?
[11:17] <chris24tnt> lemme check
[11:17] <Apophis> evernett_ any suggestions?
[11:17] <akk> chris24tnt: I find I have to ifconfig my cardbus ethernet card by hand the first time, and then after that it gets configured correctly.
[11:17] <chris24tnt> 0000:02:06.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[11:17] <edi> catfox, see my xorg.conf in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/724
[11:18] <akk> chris24tnt: For some reason ifup doesn't configure it from /etc/network/interfaces the way it does on other debian distros, haven't figured out why (maybe a HAL thing?)
[11:18] <chris24tnt> hmmm
[11:18] <robert_pectol> akk:   Ouch!  Not to pretty!
[11:18] <catfox> edi, thanks i'll take a look
[11:18] <chris24tnt> but how do i turn it on?
[11:18] <everett_> catfox, you still want my xorg.conf?
[11:18] <edi> catfox, my fstab: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/725
[11:18] <chris24tnt> brb
[11:18] <akk> robert_pectol: Yeah, I'm trying to switch to ubuntu from sid for daily work, but I need to make screenshots for a book.
[11:19] <chris24tnt> back
[11:19] <slask3n> edi: I was forgetting somethinng.. i think it all started when i plugged in the usb web camera..
[11:19] <slask3n> edi: still have the same problem too.. should i unplug the webcam?
[11:19] <edi> slask3n, yes, of course
[11:19] <slask3n> edi: but, i need the webcam to use its microphone.. thats the problem..
[11:19] <chris24tnt> akk, i'm just not sure how to get it turned on, and i also want to link it to the wifi button on my laptop so that i can conveniently enable and disable it
[11:20] <slask3n> edi: but the mic doesnt work either though...
[11:20] <catfox> everett_, do you have synaptics section?
[11:20] <edi> slask3n, join #edi, please
[11:21] <akk> chris24tnt: Does dmesg make it look like the card is recognized? Does lsmod show a module that looks like it's for the card?
[11:22] <poningru> I had a question
[11:22] <poningru> is it possible to do the repositories as a torrent client thing?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> poningru, not within the current framework
[11:23] <edi> poningru, i have heard about some experiments with debian
[11:23] <edi> slask3n, ???
[11:23] <poningru> Burgundavia: well obviously but scrap the entire thing and start over new
[11:23] <poningru> edi: linky?
[11:24] <chillywilly> earl
[11:24] <poningru> to a discussion or something
[11:24] <edi> poningru, i do not remember
[11:24] <chillywilly> google is your freind
[11:25] <chris24tnt> akk, i'm looking around, but i can't seem to find any sign of a loaded module for my wifi adapter
[11:25] <chris24tnt> and i can't find it on dmesg either, although that's quite a jumble of stuff to glance through
[11:25] <everett_> catfox, no.
[11:25] <qt2> HappyFool, http://pastebin.com/318786
[11:25] <everett_> but if you google it I'm sure you will.
[11:25] <qt2> http://pastebin.com/318786 <- anyone happen to know what might be causing this sort of stuff...?
[11:26] <akk> chris24tnt: in dmesg it'll be one of the last few lines if you just inserted the card. It's chronological.
[11:26] <chris24tnt> oh no, it's built in
[11:26] <poningru> anyone ever tried qtorrent?
[11:26] <chris24tnt> so any idea where it might end up?
[11:26] <poningru> is it anygood?
[11:26] <akk> chris24tnt: Oh, I just scrolled up and saw it's a broadcom.
[11:26] <chris24tnt> ya :)
[11:27] <akk> chris24tnt: You'll probably have to google on that. Broadcom is one of the companies that keeps their specs secret.
[11:27] <chris24tnt> i read somewhere that i might need to install something so that i can install the windows drivers
[11:27] <chris24tnt> akk, lovely; guess you get what you pay for :P
[11:27] <akk> chris24tnt: Yeah. I think there's a native driver in development too (reverse engineered) but I don't know how well it works.
[11:27] <chris24tnt> hmmmm
[11:27] <akk> chris24tnt: If you google I'm sure you'll find both of those.
[11:28] <chris24tnt> k, i'll give it a try. are you interested, if i find the answer?
[11:28] <Andares> Hmm...
[11:28] <Andares> There seems to be sort of a muffler on the sound.
[11:28] <Andares> Pads it over a bit, eliminates sharp tones, etc.
[11:28] <Andares> Does it exist?
[11:28] <Andares> How do I eliminate it?
[11:29] <Andares> Also, how do I set Ubuntu to work on two monitors?
[11:29] <tarvid> running proftpd, login as a user and i can read /etc - not good
[11:30] <chris24tnt> also, firefox continually closes out my tabs, and i have no idea why. if i click a link that opens a tab, it opens but closes the tab when i click on it. if i hit ctrl+t, it just gives me a lovely blank screen
[11:30] <tarvid> can i fix this or should i look for a chrrot solution?
[11:30] <Andares> Heh.
[11:30] <Andares> I use to know a chris123nt.
[11:30] <Nimble> how do I rename a file in Ubuntu, as in whats the commmand
[11:31] <tarvid> Nimble, mv a b
[11:31] <Chris_Tucker> mv oldname newname
[11:32] <robert_pectol> tarvid:   Last time I configured proftpd, there was an option in the config file to chroot the users to their home directories.
[11:32] <robert_pectol> tarvid:   That's what I'd do if possible.
[11:33] <qt2> are there other ubuntu related channels? such as #ubuntu-dev, for example?
[11:33] <chris24tnt> hmmm...it seems that there is a windows ndis driver compatibility layer at linuxant.com, but it's not free, and it seems to get varying success rates
[11:33] <cafuego> qt2: Yes. Also #kubuntu, #ubuntu-doc
[11:33] <Nimble> How do I delete a file now?
[11:34] <everett_> !kernel
[11:34] <qt2> cafuego, so there's no dev channel?
[11:34] <supernix> anyone know what the deal is with that really long version string for the synaptic upgrade ?
[11:34] <cafuego> qt2: There probably is.
[11:34] <taz> Nimble, you just wanna know how to delete a file? or what?
[11:34] <Nimble> what command deletes a file
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> does a windows user prefer kde or gnome?
[11:35] <taz> rm
[11:35] <Nimble> is what I would like to know =D
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i think i like kde better....altough some features in gnome are nice ;)
[11:35] <taz> Nimble, rm = remove
[11:35] <sun> hi what's a virtual package?
[11:36] <tarvid> thanks for the proftp help, i don't know what i did but at least i can no longer read /etc/passwd
[11:36] <highvoltage> sun: it's a package that installs other packages
[11:36] <delire> sun: it's a meta package, eg one that represents the installation of several other packages.
[11:36] <delire> sun: purely there for convenience and brevity.
[11:36] <sun> highvoltage when i tell aptitude to install it, it doesnt do anything, why not?
[11:36] <highvoltage> for example, you might have a virtuall package called "games-all", which will install all the games available.
[11:36] <highvoltage> sun: the virtual package might already be installed
[11:36] <Virtuall> heyko, stop highlighting me
[11:36] <Virtuall> virtual is written with one l
[11:37] <Virtuall> ;)
[11:37] <Virtuall> hey*
[11:37] <Virtuall> oops
[11:37] <Virtuall> pressed tab
[11:37] <Virtuall> lol
[11:37] <sun> is kino the best for taking home videos off dv camera and working with them on ubuntu?
[11:37] <Virtuall> forget it
[11:37] <Virtuall> :D
[11:37] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: save the majority of users that will do it anyway alot of time.
[11:37] <delire> sun: kino. it's excellent
[11:38] <sun> thanks
[11:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: i agree....although its not difficult to follow the instructions on the ubuntu guide
[11:38] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: it is
[11:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how?
[11:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> all i did was copy the commands
[11:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and it all worked
[11:38] <kbrooks> for newbies who want to know WHAT THE COMMANDS do
[11:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> apt-get is a sort of package manager
[11:38] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: it's more the annoyance, i don't think it's so difficult, but many have no idea what those commands are.
[11:39] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: you certainly  DO not know what the commands do
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> apt-get install mypackage
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wots so tough?
[11:39] <nothingssomethin> if i install smb on ubuntu is there a graphical interface that i can use  ....for anyone
[11:39] <justeco> I can't seem t find a flash plugin for Mozilla in any repositories.  Has it been removed due to licensing or something?
[11:39] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: uh, other commands, not just apt. for example, wget
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes ok
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kbrooks
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm still learning
[11:39] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: 'what does -c do?'
[11:39] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: that's a mere example
[11:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> -c ....its a command to show u want to resume the download
[11:40] <delire> .. there's my 0.02 Euro cents
[11:40] <Andares> o_()
[11:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm coming form windows
[11:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> so i'm finding some stuff very tough to deal with
[11:40] <taz> nothingssomethin, what are you going to use smb for? sharing files on your linux machine?
[11:40] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: i'm saying in general
[11:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i'm learning bits here and there
[11:41] <taz> nothingssomethin, in that case in gnome you have a GUI when you rightclick on a folder and chose "share"
[11:41] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: YOU DO want to know what the commands do? then use manual pages, google, etc.
[11:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kbrooks....i DO agree with u
[11:41] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: unfortunately
[11:41] <justeco> Anyone have some insite into where the flash plugin disappeared to?
[11:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i'm willing to learn
[11:41] <bach_lap> thats good
[11:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> it takes time
[11:41] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: for total noobs who dont want to learn, ...
[11:41] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: ^^^^
[11:41] <delire> kbrooks: precis, just use
[11:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> if u dont want to learn..........Linux is a learning platform
[11:42] <robert_pectol> tarvid:   I can msg you with an example proftpd config file that will put the users in a chroot environment if you want...
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its free to get....but theres a price....a steep learning curve
[11:42] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: how about grandma?
[11:42] <ksyms> How do I open my xserver so other applications can connect to it?
[11:42] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: but it can be a general purpose OS. and a good migration target for those that don't want to learn
[11:42] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: as in the idiot user
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> grandma? i never got on the net faster than i do with linux
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i never got an office suit faster than i did with linux
[11:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thats enough for grandma
[11:42] <bach_lap> hehe
[11:42] <delire> LuNaTiK^GuY: but you're obviously a smart and curious person interested in computing.
[11:43] <kbrooks> delire: yes, but can you think of a scenario where someone does not want to learn and just wants to DO SOMETHING?
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> windows takes ma at least 6 hours to set up properly
[11:43] <bach_lap> but if u think about it.. u have to learn windows too
[11:43] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: lol, for me, its days
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> although i agree some aspects of windows are easier to deal with
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Linux is improving at a rapid rate
[11:43] <Andares> Hmm...
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and Ubuntu is testimony to it
[11:43] <Andares> How do I configure my second monitor in Ubuntu?
[11:43] <BockBilbo> does de download option of firefox work fine for you guys in ubuntu?
[11:44] <ksyms> How do I open my xserver so other applications can connect to it?
[11:44] <BockBilbo> i mean, clicking on a url to download a file.. does it open the firefox download manager?
[11:44] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: "easier" is irrevelant. how easy is linux? how easy is windows? there's no way to measure how either is "easier".
[11:44] <BockBilbo> it doesnt work for me since i upgraded last day
[11:44] <foxiness> how can i uninstall mono "not .deb" i dont remember the Instructions , coz its long time now from i do that on april
[11:44] <delire> kbrooks: sit down at a computer and print something. i oversaw several Ubuntu machines at a festival on the weekend. Ubuntu held up really well. most took around 10mins to get used to basic navigation. printing something was a little trickier however.
[11:44] <kbrooks> delire: 10 minutes is too long.
[11:44] <foxiness> i want to install now the last one 1.7
[11:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kbrooks.....i've been using win for 10 yrs...so its 2nd nature...so i may find it easier...but i'm getting the hang of PARTS of linux
[11:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> with time
[11:45] <kbrooks> delire: for windows, it takes a MINUTE to get used navigation
[11:45] <foxiness> sorry Mono 1.1.7
[11:45] <delire> kbrooks: perhaps.. however having seen Linux in very public situations several times in the past, it's getting there. it's really close.
[11:45] <Prof_Frink> LuNaTiK^GuY: best way to learn something is to play with it
[11:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Prof_Frink: thats exactly wot i'm doing
[11:45] <oggah> been using windows for ten years also. started with win95 1994 I think :)
[11:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm tryong to do stuff i do with win on Linux
[11:46] <delire> kbrooks: win32 has the benefit of familiarity. it is recognised, thus comforting. first barrier overcome.
[11:46] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: example?
[11:46] <jakeB> it also has great development environments
[11:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> the first thing that got me to use linux are the gui's...very mac like
[11:46] <oggah> have been studying the linuxcommunity seriously for the last year.
[11:46] <foxiness> its safe to install mono 1.1.7 over 1.1.6 (sorcepackage) ?
[11:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> internet...office work...programming work....mutimedia
[11:46] <delire> kbrooks: that folk can sit down on a new OS, Ubuntu, and be up and running in 10mins on average is impressive in itself.
[11:46] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: ummm... guis can be "not mac like"
[11:46] <aru> LuNaTiK^GuY: customizable, so you don't have to stare at xp luna for 5 years until an update
[11:46] <foxiness> coz i dont know how can i uninstall it now
[11:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i like the MAC standard
[11:47] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: for example, look at kde
[11:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i usually mod my gnome/kde to look like a MAC :)
[11:47] <oggah> kde and gnome is slow! go for xfce, fluxbox or something light :)
[11:47] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: i like the windows standard
[11:47] <kbrooks> oggah...
[11:47] <Andares> Ahh...
[11:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> kde is similar to Windows
[11:47] <kbrooks> oggah: speed is irrevelant
[11:47] <Andares> I need a window manager that's like Windows 2000/XP.
[11:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yet its much more modifiable
[11:47] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: i customized gnome
[11:47] <Andares> Or I will go INSANE.
[11:47] <Andares> ;x
[11:47] <oggah> Andares, xfce4-
[11:47] <kbrooks> Andares: customize gnome
[11:47] <kbrooks> oggah: wrong
[11:48] <Andares> oggah, k.
[11:48] <oggah> kbrooks, whats right?
[11:48] <kbrooks> oggah: customizing gnome
[11:48] <kbrooks> oggah: want a ss?
[11:48] <Amaranth> Andares: Why do you want to make GNOME look like ass^WWindows?
[11:48] <kbrooks> as in screenshot
[11:48] <Andares> What the hay?
[11:48] <kbrooks> Amaranth: be nice, please
[11:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> look at this...in windows ur given one GUI...and like it or not...u must stick to it....so yes u must learn it...in Linux ur given choice...and sometimes its tougher to choose than to actually USE it....
[11:48] <Andares> This looks nothing like NT 5.00.. It looks like Mac.
[11:48] <delire> Andares: KDE can be setup to be almost undetectably Windows like.
[11:49] <oggah> is it easy to get gnome / kde look like mac os x?
[11:49] <Andares> Amaranth, because making a cold conversion from Windows XP to Linux is stressing me out.
[11:49] <boudewijn> i've got a question: how can i force my cdrom to eject?
[11:49] <kbrooks> oggah: yes very easy
[11:49] <Andares> boudewijn, sledgehammer.
[11:49] <oggah> show me som screendumps :)
[11:49] <kbrooks> oggah: do you want a ss or not?
[11:49] <qt2> if i do a apt-get dist-upgrade, as per the ubuntu updat managers instructuions, i get an error saying "The following packages have been kept back: libwnck16" ...why?
[11:49] <Andares> or use a paperclip.
[11:49] <Amaranth> kbrooks: I can't, I'm in a bad mood.
[11:49] <oggah> sure
[11:49] <boudewijn> Andares, lol
[11:49] <delire> oggah: yes of course: http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=15431&file1=15431-1.jpg&file2=15431-2.jpg&file3=15431-3.jpg&name=KDE+3.3+-+Xorg+6.8+Beta+-+Unbeatable
[11:49] <kbrooks> oggah: uh, this is for windows
[11:49] <Amaranth> kbrooks: my linux HD crashed taking all the work i did on smeg 0.8 with it
[11:49] <kbrooks> Amaranth: be calm?
[11:49] <Andares> boudewijn, there's a little slot you can stick a paperclip into that'll make it eject.
[11:49] <Amaranth> kbrooks: and i don't have any CDs so i'm stuck on windows
[11:49] <kbrooks> Amaranth: oh my gosh
[11:49] <qt2> followed "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded."
[11:50] <kbrooks> Amaranth: i feel sorry for you. but i have .....
[11:50] <kbrooks> a way
[11:50] <delire> Amaranth: ouch.
[11:50] <qt2> how do i upgrade that, and why does it not want to upgrade...?
[11:50] <chero> Hello
[11:50] <oggah> kbrooks, try dcc send.
[11:50] <Amaranth> kbrooks: i can't touch this HD, it's got to keep windows on it
[11:50] <kbrooks> Amaranth: why?
[11:50] <oggah> delire, gosh. so great lookin!
[11:50] <delire> qt2: try an apt-get upgrade, again.
[11:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=15431&file1=15431-1.jpg&file2=15431-2.jpg&file3=15431-3.jpg&name=KDE+3.3+-+Xorg+6.8+Beta+-+Unbeatable
[11:50] <chero> I'm a Linux newbie, no experience besides Knoppix. How do I mount the other windows partitions located on my HD?
[11:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> WOWWW
[11:50] <kbrooks> Amaranth: are you scaresd?
[11:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i want that ;)
[11:51] <LuNaTiK^GuY> be rite with u chero
[11:51] <delire> oggah: frankly it's horrible to me, but yes, it's possible to have an OSX clone on KDE easily.
[11:51] <Amaranth> kbrooks: 1) it's not mine 2) it's got games on it 3) other people need windows to be on it
[11:51] <oggah> delire, looks better than mac os x :) does it require alot of ram?
[11:51] <gigaclon> !mount
[11:51] <ubotu> I heard mount is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:51] <delire> oggah: about as much.
[11:51] <gigaclon> !tell chero about mount
[11:51] <msieradzki> can i get transparent windows in current ubuntu (breezy) or i need to wait for some new x server or something like that?
[11:51] <kbrooks> Amaranth: ok ok
[11:51] <delire> oggah: would take you about a day, but it would be yours ;)
[11:51] <LuNaTiK^GuY> follow ubotu :)
[11:51] <oggah> =)
[11:51] <flyingpenguin900> HOLY
[11:51] <qt2> delire, no difference.
[11:51] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: what?
[11:51] <Amaranth> kbrooks: i think the other HD is savable, i just need to figure out how
[11:52] <delire> qt2: try to apt-get install that package.
[11:52] <kbrooks> Amaranth: well, i heard freezing it
[11:52] <kbrooks> no
[11:52] <Amaranth> kbrooks: if i had my hoary CD i'd boot up in rescue mode
[11:52] <kbrooks> cooling
[11:52] <Amaranth> kbrooks: i don't have a crashed head
[11:52] <kbrooks> Amaranth: ah
[11:52] <flyingpenguin900> anywho... the reason I asked all those questions befor... was because my other computer was running an ATI card and I just put in an nvidia... now X won't start
[11:52] <kbrooks> Amaranth: sorry
[11:52] <flyingpenguin900> I need help uninstalled my fglrx drivers :(
[11:53] <kbrooks> Amaranth: what do you have
[11:53] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: no, you dont
[11:53] <foxiness> flyingpenguin900, xorgconfig
[11:53] <Amaranth> kbrooks: the partition table and/or FATs (or equivalent) are corrupted
[11:53] <qt2> delire, aye, that worked, but why was it being held back?
[11:53] <delire> oggah LuNaTiK^GuY http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=screen_lynucs_1759409500411796a9ba106_1.jpg
[11:53] <Amaranth> i guess on ext3 it'd be a superblock
[11:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Linux is not ALL easy...but its improving....but we shouldnt expect it to be a Windows copy...although IMHO it should follow some guidelines
[11:53] <flyingpenguin900> background: I used fglrxconfig to config my xorg.conf, I also compiled my drivers from the xorg.rpm (someone helped me)
[11:54] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: oh gosh
[11:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> delire: a pure Aqua :)
[11:54] <flyingpenguin900> foxiness, run xorgcinfig?
[11:54] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: WHO helped you?
[11:54] <oggah> delire, thats a nice desktop. But guess it will be very sluggish.
[11:54] <oggah> slow.
[11:54] <delire> qt2: i don't know, i'd have to see the output. usually packages are 'held back' when they require another package to be installed /*first*/.
[11:54] <flyingpenguin900> I think delire helped... or it was something close hold on I will check
[11:54] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: i'd like to beat the person who helped you up
[11:54] <foxiness> flyingpenguin900, yeah
[11:55] <delire> oggah: don't know. a decent graphics card, should be no problem. i however choose to go in the absolute other direction. i have personal issues with icons.
[11:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> if its a theme on top of gnome/kde it will run just as fine i guess
[11:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is the linux community fearing Longhorn a little bit?
[11:55] <flyingpenguin900> why whould you like to beet them?
[11:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its like gonna be the BIG BANG from M$
[11:56] <aru> LuNaTiK^GuY: Longhorn is a myth
[11:56] <Prof_Frink> LuNaTiK^GuY: s/longhorn/vista
[11:56] <kbrooks> flyingpenguin900: because rpm is incompatible with debian
[11:56] <kbrooks> annd ubuntu
[11:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> y a myth?
[11:56] <fnd> longhorn, who cares
[11:56] <qt2> delire, i see, thank you anyway.
[11:56] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot if by some remote chance...longhorn comes out to be this super-sable bomb as promised
[11:56] <flyingpenguin900> kbrooks, I know that!!! ati only has rpms I hat to alien it
[11:56] <kbrooks> http://www.winsupersite.com/
[11:57] <LuNaTiK^GuY> XP is already "Ok"
[11:57] <aru> LuNaTiK^GuY: you mean like how XP got everyone to leave NT, 2000, and 98?
[11:57] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: "latest updates" on the left
[11:57] <qt2> LuNaTiK^GuY, maybe the envisioned version of vista held some weight, but what it's become is nothing special.
[11:57] <foxiness> why when i try to run (blam,BloGTK,F-spot) from user acoount not working that if i try sudo it will run ?!
[11:57] <ksyms> I tried to remove the '-nolisten' from the file /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc but X still starting with this option, what is the file I should edit so X will not start with nolisten?
[11:57] <fnd> LuNaTiK^GuY: XP sucks donkeys, end off
[11:58] <LuNaTiK^GuY> fnd...example?
[11:58] <kbrooks> fnd: be nice
[11:58] <fnd> hands off :)
[11:58] <foxiness> fnd, dont say suck to xp
[11:58] <cafuego> and unless every PC users on the planet is going to buy a new 64bit multicore smp box with 4 GB ram, Longhorn won't run very well on their machines.
[11:58] <kbrooks> cafuego: LH == BLOATED PIECE OF CRAP
[11:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i wont buy that....is that really wot longhorn needs???????
[11:59] <cafuego> kbrooks: That's what I said.
[11:59] <LuNaTiK^GuY> pay attn to Bloated...MANY linux distros ARE bloated
[11:59] <kbrooks> LuNaTiK^GuY: uh, no]
[11:59] <cafuego> LuNaTiK^GuY: At some stage in the past there was talk about either it or whatever comes after it requiring a 4-way SMP box.
[11:59] <foxiness> fnd, can you think your grandma will use linux ?!
[11:59] <kbrooks> cafuego: what's that?
[11:59] <mdke> does anyone know if I need a user to be in a particular group to be able to run a cronjob in hoary? I've made a crontab for a user and it is not getting run >_<
[11:59] <kbrooks> foxiness: uh
[11:59] <aru> does anyone know why that Will_ guy keeps getting nick collidded?
[11:59] <mdke> help!!
[11:59] <kbrooks> WAIT


[00:00] <asac> yeah i see. i am fine with everything as long as we split things into multiple scripts
[00:01] <asac> i think i can understand it, but probably would need to uncover my perl-fu from dirt :)
[00:01] <asac> splice @$pkgs_order, 0, $#$pkgs_order + 1, @ARGV if $#ARGV >= 0;
[00:01] <asac> $#$pkgs_order
[00:01] <Jazzva> scary...
[00:01]  * Jazzva has to learn new things :)
[00:02] <asac> hehe
[00:02] <Jazzva> but it looks like it could be readable to me...
[00:02] <asac> i think i have a perl advanced programming book somewhere ;)
[00:02] <asac> these pointers scare me ;)
[00:03] <fta> or this: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/build-ppa.pl.txt ?
[00:03] <asac> dereferencing and all ... anyway. as long as things are maintained in single chunks of code that could in worst case be replaced one-by-one in case you get hit by a truck i am fine :)
[00:03] <asac> i think thats ok
[00:03] <asac> as long as the script stay at that level of complexity
[00:04] <asac> fta: maybe give me a refresh. wasn't there something like $_ ?
[00:05] <fta> yes
[00:05] <asac> and something that would implicitly catch up arguments from that?
[00:05] <asac> e.g. implicit function arguments ... i just vaguely remember.
[00:06] <asac> ah ... and shift ... is that replaceble by something more explicit in functions?
[00:06]  * Jazzva is reading about Perl on wikipedia... "Many earlier computer languages, such as Fortran and C, were designed to make efficient use of expensive computer hardware. In contrast, Perl is designed to make efficient use of expensive computer programmers." hehe (sorry about the offt)
[00:06] <asac> right ;)
[00:07] <asac> depends on how you define "efficient" here :)
[00:08] <asac> fta: point is that what we are doing here is also kind of mini prototype on how the distro maintenance in future might be
[00:09] <asac> e.g. everything maintained in bzr
[00:09] <asac> no package uploads, but pushing to a branch to publish and so on
[00:11] <fta> well, i'm nearly there with the .head branches and my ppa
[00:11] <fta> i use the 2 perl scripts above + http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/update-pkg.sh.txt
[00:13] <asac> yeah, but it becomes tricky to do the same thing on a large scale
[00:13] <asac> with more variables
[00:13] <asac> complexity grows exponential
[00:14] <fta> depends
[00:15] <fta> what else do you propose we should do then ? I'm all hears :)
[00:19] <asac> i think for us its working quite well. i don't feel qualified enough to give a complete overview of what is required to maintain the complete distro yet.
[00:20] <asac> fta: i am sure there will be interesting discussions on this topic at UDS
[00:20] <asac> if not in a core session, then there are certainly a bunch of people there that thought alot about it
[00:31] <fta> oh, you mean the future apt stuff, not our own mozilla business
[00:35] <asac> yeah ;)
[00:35] <asac> i think there will even be a core session about it
[00:35] <asac> most likely in the platform team track
[00:48] <asac> fta: 399 bugs ;)
[00:48] <fta> ?
[00:49] <asac> last chance to see the bug count below 400 :(
[00:49] <asac> firefox-3.0
[00:49] <asac> we should probably reset the crashers button
[00:49] <asac> i mean 85% percent are probably due to flash (if not libflashsupport)
[00:50] <asac> all crashers older than 5 days that have no duplicates :) -> done
[00:51] <asac> fta: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bugs?field.searchtext=crash&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[00:51] <asac> 140 crashers ;)
[00:51] <asac> well ... searched for "crash" :)
[00:51] <asac> like bug 192885
[00:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192885 in firefox-3.0 "firefox keeps crushing" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192885
[00:52] <asac> a fix commited crasher ;)
[00:52] <asac> yay
[00:54] <asac> *sigh*
[00:54] <Jazzva> 192985 should be Fix Released, since b5 is out... (if topdog is not receiving any more crashes ... will post a comment)
[00:54] <asac> i cannot exclude bugs from the list that would match "crash"
[00:54] <asac> what a desaster
[00:54] <asac> those crashes really hide any important issue for sure
[00:55] <asac> Jazzva: i closed that already ;)
[00:55] <Jazzva> *reload* oh, look at that
[00:55] <Jazzva> :)
[00:55] <fta> all that are not __kernel_vsyscall() probably need review, some may have value
[00:56] <asac> fta: most _kernel_vsyscall have a proper stacktrace
[00:56] <asac> its just that apport is confused what is the top
[00:56] <asac> fta: anyway, this flash thing showed all kind of stacktrace
[00:57] <asac> unless we see a null-deref somewhere we can probably just close them
[00:57] <asac> (or a dupe a testcase)
[00:57] <asac> null-deref, duped and testcased ones might have value imo
[00:58] <asac> as a first measure we could reassign them all to xulrunner-1.9 :)
[00:58] <asac> like as a sink for anything that we processed :)
[00:58] <asac> (once)
[00:59] <asac> most issues will most likely be reported against firefox-3.0 ;) ... so keeping that list small has top-prio ;)
[00:59] <asac> but i think i already lost that race :(
[01:00] <asac> nsNavHistoryResult
[01:01] <asac> i remember that i duped some related to those
[01:01] <asac> the sad thing is that launchpad doesn't even search attachments ... i am not even sure if it searches comments
[01:01] <asac> nor am i aware of any trick to make it do that
[01:01] <asac> ah ;)
[01:02] <asac> i remember something
[01:02] <asac> damn where
[01:05] <asac> mozilla bug 356370
[01:05] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 356370 in Extension/Theme Manager ""installLocation has no properties" during install/update of extensions (line 3849/_getActiveItems)" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356370
[01:05] <asac> fta: ^^ i think we need that on the 1.8 branch to make switching firefox 3 to firefox 2 safe
[01:07] <fta> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitot/2289897020/sizes/l/
[01:08] <asac> at the current time the ubuntu release might really be significant :)
[01:08] <asac> for their user-base
[01:10] <fta> but it's not accounted for
[01:10] <asac> i which way?
[01:11] <fta> how would moz know how many ubuntu users are using ff3 ?
[01:12] <asac> good question ;)
[01:14] <asac> ok i think i found something ;)
[01:16] <asac> hmm no.
[01:16] <asac> ok back to square one ...
[01:16]  * asac looking at bughelper ;)
[01:22]  * asac running bughelper -T firefox-3.0 "nsNavHistoryResult" "Navigation Crash" -p firefox-3.0
[01:22] <asac> lets see what happens next ;)
[01:23] <asac> darn .. i have to search attachments
[01:24] <Sergeant_Pony> evening
[01:25] <asac> ole
[01:25] <asac> ;)
[01:25] <Sergeant_Pony> Hola'
[01:26] <asac> ok bughelper couldn't cope with it
[01:26] <asac> ;)
[01:26] <asac> it crashed
[01:27] <asac> fta: do you know any full-text indexing thing that can be easily embedded in C code?
[01:28] <asac> well ... i don't mind in what language ;)
[01:28] <fta> mysql
[01:29] <asac> how efficient is mysql doing that?
[01:29] <asac> and how effektiv ;)
[01:30] <CheGuevara> very
[01:30] <fta> yep
[01:30] <asac> ok its confirmed bughelper even crashes with .bughelper removed ;)
[01:30] <asac> *sigh* :/
[01:31] <asac> RuntimeError: Something went wrong \o/
[01:35] <asac> i think there is something completely screwed. even bugnumbers -p firefox-3.0 fails
[01:35] <asac> which is probably the most simple thing to do
[01:42] <fta> asac, btw, here is the debdiff for xul : http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/debdiff/xulrunner_<IP_ADDRESS>+nobinonly-0ubuntu1--<IP_ADDRESS>+nobinonly-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[01:49] <asac> why do we need this armel patch at all?
[01:55] <asac> i think we should push that to intrepit and work on a 1ubuntu0.8.4 package that is decoupled from debian
[01:55] <asac> e.g. just upgrade of upstream sources
[01:56] <asac> if we trust debian enough we can use the same orig though :)
[02:08] <fta> it's just a merge as motu usually expects it
[02:12] <asac> k
[02:16] <New_lemming> Is it proper to ask firefox on ubuntu support questions here?
[02:40] <Jazzva> Off to sleep... Good night...
[14:36] <fta> [reed], another flood of crashtest commits :)  Why didn't the committer use title like "Add crashtest for 385289-1" instead of zillions of variations of 'Add crashtest' 'Add crashtests' 'Adding a crashtest' 'Adding crashtest.' ...
[14:36] <[reed]> because it's easier to change one character? :)
[14:37] <[reed]> bonsai groups commits with the same commit message, so he had to vary it somewhat
[14:37] <[reed]> so that the commits would show up as being separate
[14:37] <asac> [reed]: only if they get committed in the same minute :)
[14:37] <fta> i know but it reads like crap on bonsai
[14:37] <asac> (or even second?)
[14:37] <[reed]> asac: I don't think there's a time limit
[14:38] <[reed]> if two commits done after each other have the same commit time
[14:38] <asac> he? i think its similar to cvsps
[14:38] <[reed]> er
[14:38] <asac> that uses time + commitmessage to bundle
[14:38] <[reed]> if two commits done after each other have the same commit message*
[14:38] <asac> hmm
[14:38] <[reed]> dunno
[14:38] <[reed]> I know you can commit a while afterwards
[14:38] <[reed]> and it still groups it
[14:38] <[reed]> if nobody commits in between
[14:38] <asac> yeah might be
[14:38] <asac> if commits take long it would break the grouping
[14:38] <fta> yep, it groups consecutive commits with the same title, disregarding the dates
[14:39] <asac> anyway ... hopefully soon this is history
[14:39] <[reed]> http://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2007-12-17#Friends_of_the_Tree
[14:39] <[reed]> see the two links :)
[14:40] <[reed]> oh, the second one is better
[14:40] <[reed]> the first one isn't done by time :(
[14:40] <[reed]> the second one lists some of his funnier commit messages
[14:40] <asac> lol
[14:50] <saivann> asac : Since the Final Release is tomorrow, you probably want to take a look at bug 194970 to avoid the need to fix it in the next development release?
[14:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194970 in firefox-3.0 "[Hardy] Incorrect .desktop files" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194970
[14:50] <saivann> thunderbird and sunbird are still affected in Hardy
[14:51] <asac> saivann: there are complains that that fix broke the menu for kubuntu
[14:51] <asac> not sure if its really the right thing to do
[14:52] <saivann> asac : Really? The firefox-3.0 is already fixed, I will give a try with kubuntu
[14:52] <asac> well ... there are complains that firefox doesn't show up in kubuntu menu anymore ... most likely caused by this
[14:52] <asac> not sure how authentic that claim is
[14:52] <saivann> asac : In fact, all we did is to follow desktop-file-validate advice
[14:52] <asac> yeah
[14:53] <asac> but if this is really problem then kde doesn't care about that ;)
[14:53] <asac> saivann: anyway ... no uploads to hardy anymore
[14:53] <saivann> asac : Ok
[14:54] <asac> saivann: why is ffox 3 in that branch: Categories=GTK;Network;
[14:55] <asac> and firefox 2 still Categories=Network
[14:55] <saivann> asac : Mmh I don't know, I did not do that change.
[14:55] <asac> i remember that this GTK;Network; thing was reported to break
[14:55] <asac> most likely the GTK prefix is bogus
[14:56] <asac> tbird just has Network as well
[14:56] <saivann> asac : I just tried kubuntu Hardy RC and Firefox shows correctly in menus, I did not test kde4
[14:56] <asac> i think it was kde4
[14:56] <asac> yeah ... this GTK prefix is only in ffox 3 :(
[14:57] <saivann> asac : Bad, but sorry I really don't know who put that here :)
[14:57] <asac> but well ... given that kubuntu folks vetoed and thus we had to put ffox lang packs into the -gnome langpack i don't feel responsible at all for KDE anymore :(
[14:58] <asac> imo that was pretty ignorant. i am sure that at least 50% of KDE users use firefox ... most likely even all expect the kubuntu devs ;)
[14:58] <asac> anyway i stop ranting ;)
[14:58] <saivann> asac : :( , I will try kde4 and if you don't get any messages about it, it's because firefox showed just well in menus
[14:58] <asac> thanks!
[14:59] <saivann> np :)
[15:03] <saivann> .. ubuntu servers overloaded
[15:31] <fta> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763264
[15:49] <saivann> asac : Firefox 3 appears correctly in KDE4 and KDE3 menus
[15:56] <fta> [reed], do you see that http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/highlight-all-icon-missing.png ?
[15:58] <[reed]> nope
[15:58] <[reed]> what do you get when you go to chrome://global/skin/icons/find.png ?
[16:01] <fta> oh, it's my fault. i've upgraded earlier but forgot to restart ff
[16:02] <fta> asac, I have a couple of: Error: [Exception... "'Component is not available' when calling method: [nsIHandlerService::getTypeFromExtension]"  nsresult: "0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE)"  location: "<unknown>"  data: no]
[17:29] <fta> armin76, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7867/
[17:30] <fta> on sparc
[17:30] <armin76> bumb
[17:30] <armin76> ew
[17:31] <armin76> a bus error when compiling? that looks really bad...
[17:32] <fta> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/7868/ on hppa
[17:32] <armin76> and with gcc-4.3 on ia64, <IP_ADDRESS> fails to compile :)
[17:33] <armin76> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218977
[17:33] <ubotu> bugs.gentoo.org bug 218977 in Applications "mozilla-firefox-<IP_ADDRESS> fails to build for ia64 with gcc-4.3" [Normal,New]
[17:33] <armin76> i didn't got any failure on sparc/hppa, though
[17:33] <armin76> with 4.1
[17:33] <fta> bugs.gentoo.org uses an invalid security certificate. :)
[17:33] <armin76> just self-signed
[17:35] <fta> i know. that's just not very pro.
[17:35] <fta> btw, I can't fix any of those I don't have access to that h/w
[17:43] <armin76> wtf
[17:43] <armin76> mozilla bug 419350
[17:43] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 419350 in XPCOM "[ia64] build failure using gcc 4.3" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419350
[17:44] <armin76> they approved it for <IP_ADDRESS> but it didn't land?
[17:44] <armin76> in fact its not applied
[17:44] <armin76> [reed]: ^
[17:45] <[reed]> add checkin-needed
[17:45] <[reed]> I'm in the middle of school crunch time
[17:45] <[reed]> not touching mozilla stuff
[17:49] <armin76> done
[17:49] <armin76> thanks :)
[17:51] <[reed]> don't reopen it, though
[17:52] <[reed]> it's been fixed on trunk
[17:52] <[reed]> resolution is for trunk
[17:52] <[reed]> branch commits are tracked via keywords
[17:52] <[reed]> (yay bugzilla :[)
[17:55] <armin76> sorry :)
 Jazzva: fta: ok, ill try to write this extension thoughts down so we can continue discussion from there <= any progress ?
[20:16] <Jazzva> Evening...
[20:49] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763868
[20:49] <fta> Jazzva, hi
[20:49] <Jazzva> Hello fta... :)
[20:50] <Jazzva> Hmm ... something with graphics, I would say :/
[21:16] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763773
[21:17] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763742
[21:19] <fta> http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/2008/04/23/#bundlebuggy
[21:22] <[reed]> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763773 sounds bad
[21:22] <Jazzva> that for firefox is weird ...
[21:22] <[reed]> you should report that upstream
[21:27] <[reed]> fta: mozilla bug 430530
[21:27] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 430530 in Phishing Protection "excess disk IO when updating the url-classifier" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430530
[21:30] <fta> k
[22:04] <fta> any idea what is making ff logs this:
[22:04] <fta>  ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
[22:04] <fta> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
[22:04] <Jazzva> I have been getting those too ...