[15:20] <eoke> I think I'm going to get hold of the hardware myself and see if I can diagnose the issue after a fresh install of 9.10.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hmm, that's a new one
[15:21] <t0s> is there a way to take a screenshot with the system menu clicked down? it wont let me prntscreen if ive clicked the menu
[15:21] <temporarytao> did an upgrade and now my usb drives do not automount and suspend got broken. help?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> t0s, try ksnapshot
[15:22] <BluesKaj> or the gnome equivalent
[15:23] <BluesKaj> gnapshot > :)
[15:24] <temporarytao> did an upgrade and now my usb drives do not automount and suspend got broken. help?
[15:26] <tormod> temporarytao: there was a recent automount fix, bug 451613, try reverting to the previous package version
[15:27] <tormod> temporarytao: (and please don't repeat the same questions over and over)
[15:27] <temporarytao> tormod, thanks...and sorry for the repeat. won't happen again
[15:28] <bullgard> Where has the GNOME menu item System > Preferences > Sound > Sound Preferences > Devices > Audio Conferencing gone in Karmic?
[15:29] <t0s> any idea why there are no icons here http://i34.tinypic.com/o8ferc.png
[15:31] <legend2440> t0s: open system>preferences>appearance then Interface tab  put check in box Show Icons in Menu
[15:31] <t0s> ahhhh ty legend2440
[15:31] <t0s> was just weird, that was the only spot where they wasnt :P
[15:34] <lfaraone> System-config-printer hangs for me when I attempt to add new printers in Karmic. While using --debug, it seems to be stuck at "Got Devices"
[15:35] <tormod> t0s: if this is not consistent please file a bug report
[15:35] <lfaraone> Any ideas?
[15:36] <ioka> guys why do I have two kernel headers directories in /usr/src  one linux-headers-2.6.31-14 and the other one linux-headers-2.6.31-14-generic.Which one of these is for my kernel.Uname says ...generic
[15:36] <IdleOne> legend2440: did they remove the blank space where the icons normally are in the menu?
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> hmm, i'm gonna miss applets in the gnome-shelf thing
[15:36] <t0s> tormod, where do i do that?
[15:37] <IdleOne> ioka: the generic headers would be the one
[15:37] <legend2440> IdleOne: there is a space where the icons go. enabling icons fills the space
[15:37] <t0s> yeah
[15:37] <IdleOne> legend2440: ok, thought it would be nicer when icons disabled for that space to not be there
[15:39] <mbeierl> exaile does not support iPods anymore?!?
[15:39] <tormod> t0s, I am not sure which package, but run: "ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center" and check for duplicates
[15:40] <t0s> also my "notifications" popup seems to be out of place shouldnt it be at the very top right hand corner? mine pops up a space under where i think it should be
[15:44] <ioka> is the kernel headers directories actually the kernel source?
[15:44] <ioka> *are
[15:45] <ioka> if they are not how can I install kernel source for 2.6.31-14-generic kernel?
[15:46]  * Blues-Man hola
[15:47] <mzz> ioka: I'd expect apt-get source to do the trick, but are you sure you need the full source?
[15:47] <mzz> ioka: (what are you actually trying to do?)
[15:48] <topyli> as a rule of thumb, you almost never need the kernel source
[15:48] <mzz> only if you're doing a scary kind of debugging or are building a customized kernel, and both are rare
[15:48] <ioka> I was told that I need to patch mac80211 drivers.I was told that i need the kernel source to do that
[15:49] <mzz> define "I was told", and are you sure you don't want to patch backports-modules instead?
[15:49] <ioka> at least I am missing the file which needs to be patched
[15:50] <ioka> the patch patches tx.c file which is located in diff --git a/net/mac80211/tx.c b/net/mac80211/tx.c
[15:50] <ioka>    And I do not have such file
[15:50] <mzz> correct
[15:50] <mzz> see previous questions
[15:51] <ioka> I asked guys from aircrack-ng.They told me that
[15:52] <ioka> that the b43 and ath5 driver needs to be patched
[15:52] <mzz> specifically: if this is a patch that's already applied in the wireless-testing tree I'd definitely try linux-backports-modules-wireless-karmic-generic first
[15:52] <ioka> I told them my kernel version
[15:52] <ioka> how to be sure that patched is already been applied
[15:53] <ioka> *patch
[15:53] <topyli> to build drivers, you only need the kernel headers not the full source
[15:53] <mzz> if you really, absolutely, positively must patch by hand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild may be of use
[15:53] <ioka> well there is no tx.c file in net folder from kernel headers
[15:53] <mzz> topyli: he's patching an in-tree driver
[15:54] <topyli> ah okay
[15:54] <mzz> topyli: so he does need the source for the driver, although it should be possible to rebuild just that driver
[15:54] <C-S-B> AARRRGHHH i hate you skype, I hope you die.
[15:54] <mzz> but again: I strongly recommend you check if the patch is already in wireless-testing
[15:54] <mzz> if it's *not* in wireless-testing you might not actually want it
[15:55] <C-S-B> anyone else not got skype mic working with karmic and skype 2.1 beta
[15:55] <ioka> what is wireless-testing  site, develepment group?
[15:55] <C-S-B> Can't see any solutions on the web. :(
[15:56] <topyli> C-S-B, just throw it away, use sip
[15:56] <C-S-B> i wish, it's for talking with F&F
[15:56] <mzz> ioka: this is going to sound a bit rude, but if you can't figure out what wireless-testing is even though the first and second google hit for "linux wireless-testing" give you that information I don't think you should be patching kernel-level stuff
[15:56] <topyli> C-S-B, who is this super-important f&f person, and why can't she use sip?
[15:57] <C-S-B> family and friends, they aren't enlightened and im half way round the world from them
[15:57] <ioka> yes ok.10x for the info.I 'll try to do it.
[15:57] <topyli> do them a favor, enlighten them :)
[15:58] <joaopinto> C-S-B, skyp works fine here, i just had to go into sound settings, selecting the correct device and increase the volume to make it work
[15:58] <C-S-B> i will, when I'm there to do so, as of now I'm limited.
[15:58] <C-S-B> joaopinto, which version of skype?
[15:58] <joaopinto> C-S-B, the current deb from their site
[15:59] <joaopinto> I am not on my home pc right now
[15:59] <C-S-B> joaopinto,  2.1 beta?
[15:59] <ioka> last question.If i got an kernel update.After the update do I need to patch again the driver?
[15:59] <mzz> ioka: probably
[15:59] <joaopinto> C-S-B, I think so
[15:59] <C-S-B> mmm...
[16:00] <joaopinto> ioka, if the update package version is higher than yours, yes you will get your kernel overriden
[16:00] <mzz> ioka: (unless it's already in wiress-testing/compat-wireless! then you'd get an update to that automatically, afaik)
[16:00] <C-S-B> joaopinto, the only audio options i can pick are pulse
[16:01] <joaopinto> ioka, wiress-testing is the easy way to have the latest wifi drivers, like mzz already told you, patching the kernel is complex and you shouldn0t do it
[16:01] <C-S-B> joaopinto, audio recording works in gnome recorder
[16:01] <joaopinto> C-S-B, same here, skype does work with pulse, now you just need to set the proper device for pulse, from gnomes, System -> Sound
[16:01] <mbeierl> anyone have a recommendation for an ipod manager in Karmic - what do people use as the itunes equivalent?
[16:02] <joaopinto> on my case it was set to the wrong device, and it was muted there
[16:02] <C-S-B> joaopinto, im pretty sure i have it selected correctly
[16:02] <C-S-B> there's not really anything else I can select.
[16:04] <oldude67> ok who fubarred the auto detect for the usb flash drives???
[16:05] <C-S-B> joaopinto, there is nothing else to select
[16:07] <oldude67> whats the command to see if it the computer sees the flash drive?
[16:07] <oldude67> hw?
[16:08] <oldude67> wait ill be back maybe its a lxde thing..log into kde and see.
[16:12] <joaopinto> C-S-B, can't help you :\
[16:13] <mbeierl> 'nother question: anyone have problems getting rhytmbox to rip to mp3?  I can't get that profile to show up in the menu... disabled all other others and just left that one and the profile list now comes up empty
[16:14] <IdleOne> Just downloaded and burned 9.10 Live CD. took a few minutes to finally load. made it to desktop and when I clicked on Ubuntu one the app loaded and then mouse,keyboard froze. could not get to a tty and had to shut off the computer. this has been my experience since alpha4. any ideas what could be causing this?
[16:14] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, everyone, does Intel-chip-based WLAN not work for any of you either in karmic?
[16:19] <oldude67> well its not seeing my flash in kde either...guess ill have to do some snooping ...ugh and there goes all my music..:(
[16:21] <oldude67> mtrr: no MTRR for f4000000,2000000 found, whats this mean, i got that from unhooking and hooking up flashdrive in dmesg
[16:24] <tormod> IdleOne: what graphics card?
[16:25] <duffydack> is hooking up a 2nd hd and issuing dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb  really that simple
[16:25] <tormod> IdleOne: daily-live from today?
[16:25] <IdleOne> yes
[16:25] <alankila> oldude67: mtrr is a cpu property set for memory. It's most commonly seen in association with graphics card related memory which is special from system viewpoint anyway.
[16:25] <tormod> duffydack: if the hds are relatively similar
[16:25] <alankila> it controls what kind of caching is permissible, or if write combining is allowed, and perhaps some other things. Anyway, that's what it is about.
[16:25] <IdleOne> Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[16:25] <IdleOne> tormod: ^^
[16:25] <tormod> IdleOne: kubuntu?
[16:26] <IdleOne> ubuntu
[16:26] <tarzan> hi. after googling around i did not find an answer. how do i enable strg+alt+backspace again?
[16:26] <tormod> IdleOne: got all latest mesa updates?
[16:26] <duffydack> tormod, actually its a vbox vm.  i want it to use a smaller static hd image
[16:26] <oldude67> alankila, thanks not use to messing with nvidia
[16:26] <IdleOne> tormod: this is while running live cd. after starting ubuntu one I was frozen. could not do anything but turn off the computer and reboot
[16:27] <thiebaude> !intel
[16:27] <tormod> IdleOne: today's daily-live?
[16:27] <IdleOne> tormod yes
[16:28] <alankila> what it means in relation to your specific issue is harder to say, though. One potential cause is that the system wanted to set up MTRR for that region but was unable to do so because all MTRRs are already in use. There are 8 of them. But that's just a guess. Could be something else.
[16:29] <alankila> one should probably take a look in /proc/mtrr to see how many are already in use.
[16:31] <tormod> IdleOne: that's bad :( you said since alpha-4 so it's not because of the new mesa, can you ssh into it (you'll need to install openssh-server and make password for the live user)?
[16:31] <oldude67> alankila, there seems to be only one running.
[16:31] <alankila> oldude67: well, that theory is out then. I don't have other ideas.
[16:31] <IdleOne> tormod: only have one machine here
[16:32] <oldude67> alankila, ill take a look around and see what i can poke holes in and come up with..thanks for shedding a little light on whats going on tho.
[16:33] <tormod> IdleOne: is it only with UbuntuOne?
[16:34] <IdleOne> tormod: no it happens with any app I try to run. the app loads and then everything freezes
[16:34] <mbeierl> No-one using mp3 and rhythmbox out there?
[16:35] <tormod> IdleOne: please fill a bug and provide as much information as possible, so we can track it
[16:35] <IdleOne> tormod: against what package?
[16:36] <t0s> my "notifications" popup seems to be out of place shouldnt it be at the very top right hand corner? mine pops up a space under where i think it should be
[16:36] <tormod> IdleOne: xserver-xorg-video-intel would be my best guess
[16:36] <topyli> mbeierl, install ubuntu-restricted-extras and get all those sweet non-free shiny things and inferior audio codecs :)
[16:36] <IdleOne> will do. thanks for trying tormod
[16:37] <mbeierl> topyli: thanks! ... trying now :)
[16:41] <Heikki123> hmm, i think karmic-team is busy fixing all the bugs now... because no'one cares to confirm the bugs i reported :)
[16:42] <thiebaude> Heikki123, i think your wrong about the last part of what you said
[16:43] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:43] <Heikki123> well... the bugs are not in "confirmed" -state, that's why i said it :)
[16:44] <thiebaude> sebsebseb, hello
[16:44] <Heikki123> and those bugs are easy to reproduce
[16:44] <mbeierl> topyli: urrrg.  Nope - thanks for the tip, but I still cannot get rhythmbox to show mp3 as a ripping format
[16:45] <sebsebseb> thiebaude: hi
[16:45] <thiebaude> Heikki123, but you are wrong when you say nobody cares
[16:46] <Heikki123> well, i didn't mean nobody cares in general
[16:46] <topyli> mbeierl, hrm. well i'm not sure what package you need but LAME is the mp3 encoding library for linux
[16:46] <topyli> Lame Aint an MP3 Encoder :)
[16:46] <savid> anyone know what npviewer.bin is?  It's taking up quite a bit of cpu on my box
[16:46] <Heikki123> sorry, maybe i used a wrong word :) "nobody can do it right now"
[16:46] <mphill_> wine is not an emulator either
[16:47] <topyli> mbeierl, either that, or maybe you could view this as an opportunity to go free and play ogg!
[16:47] <mzz> savid: iirc that's nspluginwrapper, so probably flash
[16:47] <topyli> mphill_, the difference is, wine really isn't an emulator :)
[16:47] <mzz> topyli: I'm still a bit ashamed I didn't check for ogg support when I got my current mp3 player :(
[16:47] <mphill_> savid: if you are using 64-bit, i would STRONGLY recommend you use the native 64-bit version of flash
[16:47] <topyli> :(
[16:48] <savid> mphill_,  yeah I'm using 64-bit.  I just installed flash-plugin-nonfree or whatever
[16:48] <ikonia> mphill_: why ?
[16:48] <savid> mphill_, is there a different pkg for 64-bit flash?
[16:48] <ikonia> savid: that is the standard supported package at this time
[16:48] <mphill_> well, the wrapper totally sucks for starters
[16:48] <ikonia> mphill_: no - it doesn't
[16:48] <mzz> is native 64 bit flash out of beta yet?
[16:48] <ikonia> mzz: no, it's not
[16:48] <mphill_> ikonia: yes, it does
[16:49] <ikonia> mphill_: many people have very positives with it, it does have bugs, but so does the beta version
[16:49] <Heikki123> or, "nobody cares" because they don't have time... but anyhow :D
[16:49] <mzz> I've had the beta crash firefox a few times
[16:49] <mzz> that might've been the previous beta though, it's been a while
[16:49] <mphill_> ikonia: I know many people that have been plagued by the 32 bit, and never looked back after converting. myself included.
[16:49] <ikonia> mzz: as with the wrapper, it can work very well, but it does have buggs
[16:49] <ikonia> mphill_: yes, that's not a blind reason to suggest it as an option
[16:50] <ikonia> mphill_: there is a reason mainstream distros aren't packaging it up.....yet
[16:50] <ikonia> it sure is getting better
[16:50] <savid> no kids, let's not fight :)
[16:50] <thiebaude> Heikki123, its all good:D
[16:51] <mzz> it appears adobe doesn't want to spend resources improving the 64 bit flash on linux situation (or the flash on linux situation in general, arguably)
[16:51] <savid> I'm going to try 64-bit and see if that cures my problem -- if so, I'll stick w/ that :)
[16:51] <mphill_> savid: i would help you, but my windows computer is in the process of crashing and i can't start firefox to get you instructions.
[16:51] <ikonia> mzz: what gives you that idea
[16:51] <mzz> I think I read a post on their linux developer's blog where he said the wrapper has known bugs, but at the same time they don't have a reliable native version either
[16:51] <mphill_> if you google "adobe flash 64-bit linux" you should get the site, copy the .so file to your ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[16:51] <alankila> I've had good experience with the 64-bit flash myself. Much better than the nspluginwrapper crap which never registered mouse clicks within the flash window area properly
[16:52] <mphill_> make sure you remove all flash packages, run dpkg -l | grep flash and verify its all gone
[16:52] <savid> someone should make a ppa for it
[16:52] <mphill_> alankila: I totally agree, it runs very well.
[16:53] <mphill_> youtube would seriously fail like for 50% of loads, now its 100% all the time
[16:53] <mphill_> 100% success rate that is for page loads
[16:53] <savid> mphill_,  I've noticed issues trying to play embedded videos, as well...
[16:53] <alankila> Yes, I've also seen the 32-bit thingy to somehow lock up necessiating a browser restart before it would work again
[16:53] <mphill_> savid: if the plugins directory does not exist in your .mozilla directory, just create it
[16:54] <mphill_> alankila: also, the audio dies after like 2 seconds
[16:54] <mphill_> savid: you can issue the command mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins and copy the .so file into that directory
[16:54] <natewiebe13> so anyone else have this issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/445849
[16:54] <mphill_> you have to make sure you remove all the other flash packages, i can't stress that enough.  The system will try to use the 32-bit version for some reason
[16:55] <natewiebe13> ^ bug #445849
[16:55] <Aruza> im having a problem booting into 9.10 after i install and reboot i get a message saying "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key", i did notice that grub installed but it doesnt seem to be working. Has anyone had similar issues?
[16:57] <timber> syndaemon doesn't work?
[16:59] <addisonj> alright, upgrading, chances of breakage?
[17:00] <Heikki123> i upgraded 10 minutes ago
[17:00] <Heikki123> still working
[17:02] <addisonj> i have not done too much customization, so should be good
[17:08] <mbeierl> topyli: Thanks for the info... it was error-between-keyboard-and-computer.  I didn't realize that rhythmbox went to the tray on "X" - and therefore was not restarted after I installed the restricted packages.  mp3 shows up now :)
[17:09] <sdg> I just got my laptop back from Asus but I can't seem to connect to Wi-Fi now. :(
[17:17] <romabadta> ciao
[17:17] <romabadta> !list
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> Showed him i guess.. .:)
[17:21] <zorael> How do I "toggle" between using plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook? Both start automatically atm, after having installed the netbook packages onto a normal installation
[17:21] <t0s> my "notifications" popup seems to be out of place shouldnt it be at the very top right hand corner? mine pops up a space under where i think it should be
[17:21] <AlanBell> is anyone seeing avatar corruption/missing avatars in gwibber?
[17:22] <mbeierl> t0s: that's where my notifications show up too
[17:22] <t0s> is it normal?
[17:22] <mbeierl> don't know - I just know that's where mine show up in Karmic
[17:30] <EvanCarroll> Was the sole reason for moving to empathy video-chatting?
[17:30] <EvanCarroll> It seems like it is missing a bunch of functionality
[17:30] <Aruza> im having a problem booting into 9.10 after i install and reboot i get a message saying "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key", i did notice that grub installed but it doesnt seem to be working. Has anyone had similar issues?
[17:31] <maco> EvanCarroll: also, its gnome's client. also, it can do desktop sharing
[17:31] <maco> also, it uses the telepathy framework which is aware of and integrates with other parts of the desktop
[17:31] <maco> (dont ask me to specify what though. im a kde user)
[17:33] <maco> (but i tried it the other day, and i agree it is very unpolished)
[17:35] <ibuclaw> Aruza, had someone have that the other day, I resolved it for him ...
[17:35] <topyli> mbeierl, ah. good good, all's well that ends well :)
[17:35] <ibuclaw> I could walk you through steps?
[17:36] <Aruza> ibuclaw: that would be great
[17:36] <ibuclaw> Aruza, are you in the Beta LiveCD now?
[17:37] <EvanCarroll> yea, i mean it lacks litterally all but the bare bones but then it has this apparent major leg up for video chatting.
[17:37] <ibuclaw> Aruza, which partition did you install Ubuntu Beta in ?
[17:40] <maco> EvanCarroll: i just think the interface is ugh
[17:40] <Aruza> ibuclaw: i installed on a separate HDD than any other installation
[17:41] <ibuclaw> Aruza, sda? sdb?
[17:41] <EvanCarroll> maco: functionality sucks too, no logging, single line for entry, themes are totally broke (none of them work), no pseudo-nick containers, or nick-alises for the aim network
[17:42] <maco> what i saw with themes was that 4 were listed but in reality there were only 2
[17:42] <EvanCarroll> the notification bubble doesn't even work for it
[17:42] <EvanCarroll> maco: I tried all ,none worked for me
[17:42] <maco> dunno what you mean by single line for entry
[17:42] <Aruza> ibuclaw: i dont remember, im on that computer now booted into windows from another drive
[17:42] <maco> but the inabillity to mark 2 nicks as 1 person...yeah...ugh
[17:42] <EvanCarroll> maco: open up the message dialog
[17:42] <maco> for themes, the first two are blue. the second two are off-white
[17:43] <ibuclaw> oh, ok. Would it be possible for you to reboot into the Ubuntu Beta LiveCD Aruza ?
[17:43] <maco> (i might be used to single line text entry since i use IRC much much more than i IM)
[17:43] <Aruza> ibuclaw: i tried that and it wont boot all the way to the cd, it stops as it starts loading the desktop
[17:45] <ibuclaw> hmm, difficult, it will be without that...
[17:46] <wild_oscar> btw: any thoughts on why they changed the default IM from pidgin to the gnome one whose name I don't recall?
[17:46] <wild_oscar> granted, I only use pidgin to gmail and irc because their msn client sucks
[17:46] <wild_oscar> but the new IM 's irc support is really lousy
[17:47] <maco> wild_oscar: we were just talking about that
[17:47] <wild_oscar> doesn't even seem to have commands (you can't /j #channel)
[17:47] <ibuclaw> wild_oscar, same reason as debian switched from glibc -> eglibc? ... or not
[17:47] <maco> well not the IRC part of it, but ...wait, pidgin had crappy IRC too
[17:47]  * maco likes quassel
[17:48] <ibuclaw> xchat is perfectly fine for irc
[17:48] <wild_oscar> maco: I've used pidgin's irc for about 2 years now. don't know how it could be better, as it has all the basic functions
[17:48] <maco> wild_oscar: like i said above, empathy/telepathy are better on desktop integration, and they can do desktop sharing (like you and a friend edit in OpenOffice via an IM session)
[17:48] <wild_oscar> at *least* you can write commands!
[17:48] <maco> but yes, the client is rather icky so far
[17:49] <ibuclaw> but with time and attention, that will change soon
[17:49] <nanamin> hi
[17:49] <wild_oscar> I haven't followed pidgin's development, but it seems like a much more mature app
[17:49] <ibuclaw> wild_oscar, I never honestly like pidgin. It just didn't meet my demanding needs
[17:49] <nanamin> i've been using 9.10 beta and wanted to provide feedback to whomever
[17:50] <wild_oscar> so replacing it with a clearly recent and rough shaped application doesn't seem an evident choice
[17:50] <nanamin> wild_oscar: agreed
[17:50] <nemo> nanamin: if you've run into issues, or enhancements, a bug report is probably the best
[17:50] <ibuclaw> wild_oscar, for example, I'm connected to 12 channels as we speak.
[17:50] <nanamin> nemo: well help me figure this out then
[17:50] <ibuclaw> pidgin would just go crazy with all the memory leaks
[17:50] <nanamin> nemo: im using a lenovo thinkpad t400 and "sometimes" ubuntu won't come back from a suspend state
[17:51] <nanamin> nemo: it says there's a serious kernel error and "click here to report," but i can't report because it's beta.
[17:51] <nanamin> nemo: where would i get information that would be useful in a bug report
[17:52] <wild_oscar> I'm not particularly attracted to pidgin either - just to think they haven't implemented direct file transfers in msn is beyond me... (so you transfer files at 2 kbps. add a spice girls tune and you're back in the 90ies)
[17:52] <nanamin> and other than this bug, my only comment is that I *hate* empathy
[17:52] <wild_oscar> lol
[17:52] <nanamin> i agree that *many* people don't think pidgin is perfect
[17:52] <nanamin> but it's about the best thing out there in my opinion
[17:52] <nanamin> and lack of OTR in an IM app is a deal-breaker for me
[17:53] <nanamin> i think that if users don't like pidgin, they can remove it and put empathy or whatever else with fewer features that they prefer
[17:53] <wild_oscar> otr?
[17:53] <nanamin> but that pidgin is a good default for joe user
[17:53] <nanamin> OTR = off the record. encryption of IMs
[17:53] <nanamin> IMs are sent as cleartext over the network. at college/work/etc this is bad
[17:54] <nanamin> especially since I got to a technical school where plenty of people want to become penetration testers and so forth :P
[17:54] <maco> haha
[17:54] <nanamin> so otr prevents people from snooping in on what you're saying
[17:54] <wild_oscar> what, they want to join the porn industry?
[17:54] <I7uoHeoka> i need a help. i'm russian. i can win iPod nano 8GB if you help me. please register -> http://vk.com/reg1051946 . 14 users need. (sorry, my english is very bad)
[17:54] <topyli> hmm i don't know many people who think pidgin is perfect. it's just good enough for many things
[17:54] <Aruza> ibuclaw: ok it looks like im booted to the live disk now
[17:55] <nemo> nanamin: anyway, WRT suspend, I think there are a number of bugs with suspend out there
[17:55] <nemo> nanamin: nvidia card?
[17:55] <wild_oscar> sorry, had to laugh when I read "they want to become penetration testers"
[17:55] <nanamin> nemo: no. the graphics come back on just fine .just the mouse and keyboard stop working
[17:55] <nanamin> nemo: integrated graphics. might be an nvidia chipset? but that's not the issue
[17:56] <nemo> nanamin: can you move the mouse?
[17:56] <nemo> (cursor moves)
[17:56] <nanamin> usually what happens is this
[17:56] <nanamin> i'll open the laptop, screen comes on
[17:57] <nanamin> mouse/keyboard don't function for several seconds (20?)
[17:57] <nanamin> then everything starts working
[17:57] <nanamin> sometimes the mouse/keyboard functionality *never* returns
[17:57] <nemo> nanamin: you know, this level of detail would help earlier :)
[17:57] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/346310
[17:57] <nanamin> sweet
[17:57] <nemo> nanamin: looking for similar bugs
[17:57] <nemo> nanamin: I would search launchpad if I were you, and subscribe/comment in any similar ones
[17:58] <nemo> hopefully you could get some suggestions
[17:58] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/421538
[17:58] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/429249
[17:59] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/433268 (specifically mentions keyboard and mouse in the bug)
[17:59] <nemo> nanamin: anyway. looks like quite a few related bugs
[17:59] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=suspend+mouse+keyboard
[17:59] <RanDom33> Is there a way to enable the "right click" encrypt/decrypt option in karmic?
[17:59] <topyli> suspend bugs in a linux distro? no way
[18:00] <Dr_Willis> RanDom33:  You could check out the various Nautilus Scripts that are on the web theres some to do differnt tasks like that
[18:00] <Aruza> ibuclaw: i managed to get the system to boot to the live disk, is there a file that i need to edit?
[18:00] <nanamin> alright thanks for your help
[18:00] <nanamin> i had to talk about it, i think, to figure out what details were important. . .since there's no obvious log/terminal feedback that I'm aware of
[18:00] <nanamin> also -- is it common with laptops + ubuntu that sometimes you can't connect to any wireless networks until rebooting? I've had this happen with ubuntu 7.whatever on another laptop as well as this one
[18:00] <RanDom33> Dr_Willis, thanks .. will do
[18:01] <Dr_Willis> Hibernate/suspend can crash some drivers.. wireless and video are often the big problems.
[18:01] <nanamin> nemo: thanks
[18:01] <nanamin> last thing
[18:02] <nanamin> i seem to have problems installing truecrypt in 9.10beta 64 bit
[18:02] <nanamin> no issues in previous versions
[18:02] <nanamin> but i'll check the bug reporting sytstem
[18:02] <blueglasses> My sound is extremelly low
[18:02] <ibuclaw> Aruza, ok! can you figure out which drive the root filesystem is?
[18:03] <ibuclaw> when you do:
[18:03] <ibuclaw> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[18:03] <ibuclaw> replace sda1 with the name of the partition
[18:03] <blueglasses> My sound is extremelly low wich is strange, because it worked fine before, I'm using karmic
[18:03] <Aruza> ibuclaw: yeah i mounted the drive and can view the files
[18:03] <ibuclaw> Aruza, ok, next
[18:04] <EvanCarroll> does anyone elses's firefox now close entirely on Ctrl+W?
[18:04] <zorael> How do you stop services from starting automatically at boot now with upstart? Stuff seems to be started even without having any symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/
[18:04] <ibuclaw> sudo mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
[18:04] <EvanCarroll> I could have /sworn/ that this was taken out in 2.5
[18:04] <blueglasses> how do I see the hidden options for sound in sound preferences, or what is the configuration file i should search for?
[18:05] <Aruza> ibuclaw: hmmm i get mount point does not exist
[18:05] <topyli> EvanCarroll, i'm not known as a big firefox user, but ctrl-w is supposed to close a window in gnome
[18:05] <ibuclaw> Aruza, did you mount it in /mnt ?
[18:06] <ioka> here a bug I found.When I use my usb wificard I get wlan1.when I unplug it and plug it back I get wlan2. After 6 time plug-unplug now I have wlan6.I think it should stay wlan1 all the time.Naming after its father wmaster1
[18:06] <topyli> EvanCarroll, more precisely, a document. in a tabbed window, it will close the window if there's only one document
[18:06] <ibuclaw> Aruza, if not replace that path with the path you mounted it in
[18:06] <ibuclaw> o/ JoshuaL
[18:07] <JoshuaL> \o
[18:08] <literal> hm, the latest version of evolution-common in amd64 karmic depends on a version of evolution-common that doesn't exist
[18:08] <EvanCarroll> topyli: more precisely, in firefox it will close the application if there is only one window.
[18:08] <literal> i.e. they upgraded evolution-common but not evolution, so now it's uninstallable
[18:09] <rictec> windows network stop working too
[18:09] <blueglasses> is it safe to uninstall evolution if you only use webmail?
[18:09] <rictec> now i have to do a smb:// to get there
[18:09] <literal> of course it is
[18:10] <literal> that's like asking if it's safe to install an IRC client if you only use twitter
[18:10] <jimpop> blueglasses, yes (it's also stupid that a base OS installs a mail client)
[18:10] <rictec> webmail is browser based
[18:10] <nanamin> blueglasses: applications are pretty much stand-alone. you can keep/add what you want. i think ubuntu's package manager will make sure sure you aren't removing a dependency for something else too
[18:10] <blueglasses> you are right jimpop
[18:10] <ibuclaw> Aruza, be right back in 30 seconds
[18:11] <nanamin> jimpop: isn't that the point of a distribution though? if you don't want it, use archlinux or somesuch
[18:11] <ibuclaw> creating a custom LiveCD failed =)
[18:11] <JoshuaL> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:11] <JoshuaL>   evolution-common
[18:11] <JoshuaL> i get that message, even after doing a apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:11] <mbeierl> BUT... didn't they depend ubuntu-desktop on evolution?
[18:11] <jimpop> nanamin, the desktop environment shouldn't depend on applications
[18:11] <literal> JoshuaL: I just got that as well, then I used a different ubuntu mirror and did "aptitude update", and it was fixed
[18:12] <nanamin> jimpop: so use a distro that doesn't?
[18:12] <blueglasses> whats the purpose of gvfsd?
[18:12] <jimpop> nanamin, or push to change this one back to what it once stood for ;-)
[18:12] <mbeierl> so removing evo removes the desktop metapackage which makes further dependencies more difficult
[18:12] <nanamin> jimpop: it does'nt *depend* on evolution I think. it's just included by default
[18:13] <jimpop> nanamin, it does depend on evo-server-blah-somethign or another
[18:13] <nanamin> jimpop: i always thought ubuntu "stood for" being a linux that was easy for joe user, almost a windows replacement
[18:13] <mbeierl> blueglasses: gvfsd is the "daemon" that allows gnome virtual filesystems to be mounted
[18:13] <nanamin> jimpop: whereas other distros have other distinct philosophies, like gentoo or arch
[18:13] <ni1s> blueglasses, virtual file system daemon, does transparent ftp,samba, etc transfers and stuff
[18:13] <JoshuaL> literal, will try that ty
[18:13] <jimpop> "About Me" is a Gnome (Desktop) application that depends on another application to work
[18:13] <blueglasses> thank you
[18:14] <jimpop> nanamin, me too, however it's lately becoming more bloated than Windows....
[18:15] <degot> Hi, All... How to configure LVM in 9.10 desktop amd64 correctly? what tools of 9.10 i should use?
[18:15] <nanamin> jimpop: agreed.
[18:15] <nanamin> jimpop: I have been using ubuntu (after a switch from gentoo) for years because it is convenient etc. but so many problems now that I may switch :-\
[18:15] <nanamin> jimpop: i really don't *want* to though
[18:16] <rictec> dont replace something you dont like ..just get something you do like
[18:16] <jimpop> nanamin, it would be nice to see a solid distro over one that is a spot-for-spot match for MS Windows.
[18:17] <JoshuaL> nanamin, i switched from gentoo to ubuntu because i have less problems with it :)
[18:17] <jimpop> really now, one can't best Microsoft solely by matching Windows functionality
[18:17] <nanamin> JoshuaL: that's why I did too. Gentoo was very nice for learning etc, but after a while so many things start to cause problems with each other
[18:17] <nanamin> jimpop: right. I always liked linux because it was a step *ahead*
[18:18] <rictec> i think thats cos is huge now
[18:18] <jimpop> nanamin, in everything except hardware support ;-)
[18:18] <nanamin> maybe not always with drivers (it's gotten GREAT about that), but with features/functionality, and obviously security
[18:18]  * jimpop has a AAO that is unsupported by Ubuntu
[18:18] <nanamin> jimpop: i just bought a really obscure wifi dongle for my desktop on ebay. needs drivers to install, pain in the ass to get it working in windows. works out of the box on ubuntu
[18:18] <nanamin> ahh generic chinese hardware :-)
[18:19] <jimpop> lol
[18:19] <jimpop> The Chinese love Linux and despise Windows
[18:19] <degot> =( Guys, can you help me with LVM in 9.10 ?
[18:19] <rictec> i do have a mythbuntu working witha tunner card no windows driver for it
[18:19] <nanamin> on the other hand, i omitted webcam and fingerprint reader on my laptop because i'm pretty sure they wouldn't work on linux even if i needed them
[18:19] <jimpop> degot, what's the issue?
[18:20] <nanamin> okay could someone tell me what you think about this issue? it's come up on google but not in this context and I didn't see a solution to it
[18:20] <degot> jimpop: i configured LVM`s VG and LG during installation of 9.10 Desk amd64....  how i can mount them now?
[18:21] <nanamin> i'm trying to install truecrypt 6.2a on ubuntu 9.10beta. i run the package, gdebi opens, I hit "install package," and get this error: dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor
[18:21] <jimpop> degot, encrypted or not?
[18:21] <degot> jimpop: not
[18:21] <nanamin> also gdebi freezes and I can't kill it afterwards
[18:21] <zorael> How do you stop services from starting automatically at boot now with upstart? Stuff seems to be started even without having any symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/ ...
[18:21] <jimpop> degot, did you mkfs them?
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> !bum
[18:22] <zorael> ActionParsnip: thanks
[18:22] <Aruza> ibuclaw: ok i think i got what you sent me already
[18:22] <degot> jimpop: i`ve formated them during installation ... but i forgot to set mouning point =(
[18:22] <jimpop> degot, k
[18:23] <jimpop> degot, "sudo fdisk -l" will show you the partitions
[18:23] <mzz> but those aren't all that interesting if you're using lvm
[18:23] <mzz> degot: does the system boot?
[18:24] <jimpop> mzz, oh right.
[18:24] <degot> i know them sdb1 and sdc1 .... system boots from sda1 -> simple sata ext4 partition
[18:24] <jimpop> does Disk Utility show LVMs?
[18:24] <mzz> degot: that is: is your problem just that you need to add them to /etc/fstab?
[18:25] <rob0> Elvyim
[18:25] <degot> mzz, jimpop: sdb1, sdc1 are Linux lvm -> they are in Logical group... datalg... how cat i mount this logical group?
[18:25] <mzz> degot: just like any other device, using /dev/<vgname>/<lvname> as the device
[18:26] <jimpop> degot you have to use the lv cmd to list the logical volumes and then specify the lv in /etc/fstab
[18:27] <degot> mzz, jimpop: lv shows nothing and there is no /dev/<vgname>  ((
[18:28] <jimpop> degot, it's a command like lvdisplay that will show the logical volumes (i don't have a LVM system as i despise layers of re-direction)
[18:28] <jimpop> degot, google for "LVM display logical volumes"
[18:29] <mzz> degot: huh, they're normally activated by default. Does "vgs" see your volume group?
[18:29] <pmcclelland> having some trouble getting mod_python working with 9.10 can someone give me a hand?
[18:29] <degot> mzz,jimpop: lvdisplays shows me /dev/vgname , but ls -l doesn`t
[18:30] <mzz> degot: weird. Anything in /dev/mapper?
[18:30] <degot> mzz: yes, vgs shows vgname
[18:30] <degot> mzz: ls /dev/mapper -> only "contol"
[18:31] <mzz> degot: does running "vgchange -ay" make a difference?
[18:32] <degot> mzz: yes....now, i can see /dev/vgname/lgname
[18:32] <mzz> degot: hmm, I was expecting it to do that by default
[18:32] <mzz> degot: you can mount that, but I'm not sure if it'll work properly if you reboot. Sec.
[18:34] <mzz> degot: hmm, weird. I don't know what happened there. My root partition is on lvm, so here the initramfs has to activate the vg or it can't boot at all. I'm not sure what's supposed to happen if your root partition isn't on lvm on ubuntu.
[18:34] <mzz> degot: if (part of) this vg is on a device that wasn't present when you booted having to run vgchange -ay is normal, afaik
[18:35] <degot> mzz: ok, i`ll try to reboot
[18:35] <mzz> degot: sec
[18:35] <degot> mzz: what i must add to /etc/fstab
[18:35] <degot> ?
[18:35] <degot> mzz: sudo mount /dev/vgname/lgname /data0 worked fine
[18:35] <mzz> degot: might want to run update-initramfs -k all
[18:36] <mzz> degot: yeah, you can just mount those like you'd mount a partition
[18:36] <zorael> Are linux-image-rt packages generally/always a few versions behind linux-image-generic? (currently -9 vs -14)
[18:37] <overboost7667> hi there - i already filed a bug, but nobody picked it up in the last two days. since the upgrade to the .14 kernel my T43 throws kernel crash notifications, yet it remains stable and runs like before. Anybody out there with the same problem ?
[18:38] <mzz> zorael: those versions don't match. See the changelog.
[18:39] <rob0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-43_tank
[18:39] <mzz> zorael: that is: the current linux-image-rt is actually synced up to v2.6.31-14.47 of the generic kernel
[18:41] <mbeierl> rob0: I knew linux ran on a lot of older hardware, but that's a new one ;)
[18:41] <zorael> mzz: Ah, I see. The changelog of linux-image-rt seems to be pretty nonexplanatory, but the dates seem to match
[18:41] <mzz> zorael: my bad, I meant the changelog.Debian.gz of linux-image-2.6.31-9-rt
[18:42] <mzz> zorael: (not the linux-image-rt metapackage one)
[18:42] <rob0> Don't ask me, ask overboost7667 ... "my T43 throws kernel crash notifications ..."
[18:42] <rob0> Safer than what the Red Army T43's threw, I suppose.
[18:42] <overboost7667> That's a ThinkPad FYI
[18:42] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, ?
[18:42] <zorael> mzz: there it is, thanks
[18:43] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: yes
[18:43] <rob0> Ah, I have an old Thinkpad, it is built like a tank, FWIW.
[18:44] <savid> boo, I like pidgin better :-(
[18:44] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, sorry about that, I appear to have had a series of unexpected crashes ;)
[18:44] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: lol it happens
[18:45] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: i did get the drive to mount as you said before
[18:45] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, was just extracting a squashfs from a ISO mount, and it died with a NULL pointer reference in the kernel ;)
[18:45] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, where is the mountpoint of the filesystem?
[18:45] <MindSpark> does anyone know what this means: (Reading database ... 10%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[18:45] <MindSpark>  files list file for package 'python-zope.interface' is missing final newline
[18:45] <MindSpark> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[18:46] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: i basically ran the commands you sent me but the drive is sdf1 instead of sda1
[18:46] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, ah, ok... and it is mounted in /mnt
[18:47] <Aruza> yes
[18:47] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, and you ran:  sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[18:47] <Aruza> yep
[18:47] <iainbuclaw> ok! now we are up to speed (sorry)
[18:47] <iainbuclaw> next
[18:47] <iainbuclaw> sudo chroot /mnt
[18:48] <Aruza> ok
[18:48] <Aruza> it changed my prompt
[18:48] <iainbuclaw> mount -t proc none /proc
[18:48] <iainbuclaw> mount -t sysfs none /sys
[18:48] <iainbuclaw> mount -t devpts none /dev/pts
[18:49] <ioka> is there an alternative to adobe-flashplugin? It does not work well on linux
[18:49] <cemc> I just upgraded to Karmic, and I my screen resolution width is double of the real resolution, using fglrx. I have no resolution set in xorg.conf. where else could it be?
[18:49] <Heikki123> for me it works perfect
[18:49] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: ok ran those three
[18:49] <Heikki123> flash, i mean
[18:50] <iainbuclaw> ioka, flash10 is ok ... it depends on the graphics drivers you are using, the kernel, and the distribution specific configuration ...
[18:50] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, okies: lastly, where do you want to install grub?
[18:50] <iainbuclaw> sda?
[18:51] <Aruza> iainbuclaw: i think just to the same drive the 9.10 install is on
[18:51] <iainbuclaw> sdf then
[18:51] <Heikki123> same drive or same disk?
[18:51] <Heikki123> drive as in partition
[18:51] <iainbuclaw> good point Heikki123
[18:52] <Aruza> yes same partition
[18:52] <Heikki123> you don't install grub on a partition
[18:52] <Aruza> the only other thing on the drive is the swap partition
[18:52] <tiger2wander> Hi all
[18:52] <iainbuclaw> lol
[18:52] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, in the MBR (sdf) or on the partition header (sdf1)
[18:52] <tiger2wander> How I can reset runlevels for a service?
[18:53] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, to boot from the disk, via BIOS Bootloader, it needs to be in the MBR
[18:53] <Aruza> ok, yeah i wanna put it in the mbr
[18:53] <Heikki123> i have never installed grub on a partition, instead in the mbr of the disk, that is sdf
[18:53] <iainbuclaw> Aruza:  grub-install /dev/sdf; update-grub2
[18:54] <Aruza> ok it found a linux image, initrd image. memtest, and windows
[18:55] <Trevize> do you know anything about special repository with Win software for wine?
[18:56] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, once it's finished, should be OK to reboot and test that it worked
[18:56] <Aruza> alright, here we go
[18:56] <iainbuclaw> good luck =)
[18:58] <nanamin> i have a question
[18:58] <nanamin> I'm currently running 9.10 beta. when the RTS comes out. . .is there a way to upgrade to it, or will I have to reinstall
[18:58] <nanamin> is it as clean to do an upgrade? or will i still have beta issues
[18:58] <Aruza> well i got grub to come up, thats an improvement, and there is the login screen!!!!
[18:58] <rsk> nanamin: you won't have ext4
[18:58] <Aruza> thanks iainbuclaw!
[18:58] <rsk> nanamin: else it should be as a regular new install
[18:59] <nanamin> rsk: i do have ext4. or it said so during the install.
[18:59] <nanamin> are you sure beta doesn't include ext4?
[18:59] <rsk> right then then you have it
[18:59] <rsk> beta have ext4
[18:59] <MindSpark> can someone help me out please ?
[18:59] <MindSpark> (Reading database ... 10%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[18:59] <MindSpark>  files list file for package 'python-zope.interface' is missing final newline
[18:59] <MindSpark> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[18:59] <rsk> MindSpark: what's the command you are trying to run?
[18:59] <MindSpark> I am getting this when I try to do any package manager task
[18:59] <iainbuclaw> Aruza, no probs
[18:59] <rsk> MindSpark: have you fiddled with sources.list?
[18:59] <MindSpark> rsk, I get this when updating, I get this when trying to install a new package
[18:59] <MindSpark> anything
[19:00] <MindSpark> rsk, what do I do ?
[19:00] <rsk> i don't know what you are doing
[19:00] <rsk> please answear my question
[19:01] <Schugy> ivewm doesn't work, no toolbar
[19:01] <MindSpark> rsk, ok here's an example: sudo aptitude install bluefish
[19:02] <rsk> MindSpark: still not answearing my question
[19:03] <MindSpark> rsk, can you please repeat your question ?
[19:03] <rictec> i will be back ...later
[19:04] <Schugy> any idea why icewm doesn't load completeley?
[19:04] <rsk> 19:59 < rsk> MindSpark: have you fiddled with sources.list?
[19:06] <mzz> MindSpark: sounds like corruption. Can you pastebin your /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-zope.interface.list ?
[19:06] <mzz> MindSpark: mine's http://paste.ubuntu.com/297000/ and if yours is truncated from that you might want to fix it up manually
[19:08] <amgarchIn9> how do I avoid UbuntuOne applet starting in KDE sessions? Caannot get rid of it!
[19:09] <MindSpark> rsk, no I didn't do anything with sources.list, but I just chose to choose another server, maybe that will fix it ?
[19:09] <MindSpark> mzz, ok one moment, thanks
[19:11] <MindSpark> mzz, the file looks like a binary to me after catting it
[19:11] <mzz> MindSpark: it shouldn't be. Got any reason to expect filesystem corruption?
[19:11] <Schugy> any way to increase ext2 write speed on sdhc except noatime,nodiratime? 100 mb updates will take long time to install
[19:11] <MindSpark> mzz, do you think I can use your file instead ?
[19:11] <mzz> MindSpark: might want to touch /forcefsck and reboot
[19:11] <MindSpark> mzz, I just had a manual fsck because the system wouldn't boot
[19:12] <MindSpark> although last time I had the eee on was while doing an update
[19:12] <MindSpark> and I did a clean shutdown
[19:12] <mzz> MindSpark: ah. I guess you could grab my version of that file fairly safely, but if one file got corrupted others might also have
[19:12] <MindSpark> mzz, I believe so... do you think another fsck would fix this ?
[19:12] <Dream-Ubu> sorry, lost connection
[19:12] <mzz> MindSpark: no
[19:13] <MindSpark> mzz, can you maybe send me your python-zope.interface.list ?
[19:13] <mzz> MindSpark: but if you've found one corrupted file like this I'd worry about others. I don't remember the command but I think there was a way to compare checksums of installed files to what they should be
[19:14] <mzz> MindSpark: I figured you could just copy from the pastebin
[19:14] <MindSpark> mzz, a dpkg command ?
[19:14] <mzz> hmm, lemme see
[19:14] <MindSpark> mzz, you pasted the directory content, not the actual file content
[19:15] <mzz> MindSpark: I did? ugh, must've typoed
[19:16] <mzz> MindSpark: nope, that's really what's in that file (the file contains a list of files belonging to that package)
[19:16] <uffo> hello i have one question do kubuntu comes without pulseaudio, i am very glad if there is NO pulseaudio?
[19:16] <MindVirus> When will the new hulu FE be added to the repos?
[19:16] <MindSpark> mzz, ah, ok
[19:16] <mzz> MindSpark: compare to some other .list file to see for yourself :)
[19:17] <mzz> uffo: hmm, judging from "apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio" probably not, although I might be missing some weird indirect dep.
[19:18] <MindSpark> mzz, alright, I think I'll try to restart and see how that goes
[19:18] <uffo> mzz: so you say kubuntu has pulse terror too???
[19:18] <mzz> MindSpark: if you already ran a fsck since your last unclean shutdown (and it found stuff) that's probably not necessary or helpful
[19:19] <mzz> uffo: I meant it probably does not have pulseaudio, although it might have some other sound server (I don't run kde)
[19:21] <Pici> MindVirus: A new package that isn't already in the repositories has very little chance of making it in before release.
[19:21] <MindVirus> Pici: I know this.
[19:21] <MindVirus> Pici: How much time, though?
[19:22] <trothigar> When is ubuntuone couchdb support going to be finished?
[19:23] <Pici> MindVirus: It would need to be packaged first, but they probably wouldnt upload it into the ubuntu repositories until lucid is open. Nevertheless, it probably would go into a PPA first.
[19:24] <Aruza> anyone here good with configuring nvidia graphics cards? i can get the first card to work the way i want but when i go to activate the screen on the second card and save the settings file i get a cannot parse file error and the nvidia app crashes
[19:24] <Pici> MindVirus: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages if you want to start to get the ball rolling.
[19:24] <MindVirus> Pici: OK. How long do you think it will be until it is packaged? How hard is it to package something?
[19:24] <MindVirus> Pici: I would love to.
[19:24] <bjsnider> Aruza, the old nvidia-settings 180.25 doesn't work with current xorg.conf files
[19:25] <Aruza> bjsnider: that would explain it, is there a work around or new nvidia software?
[19:25] <MindVirus> Pici: Nevermind. It is too complicated.
[19:27] <bjsnider> Aruza, nvidia fixed the problem awhile back but the newer nvidia-settings has not been packaged by canonical. there is a new one in the nvidia-vdpau ppa
[19:27] <bjsnider> created by me i think
[19:27] <bjsnider> either me or batman
[19:27] <Aruza> bjsnider: ok, im kinda new to this, how would i get the new package?
[19:30] <bjsnider> goog nvidia-vdpau ppa and you'll find the link to the page where there are instructions
[19:30] <Aruza> bjsnider: lol just did that, i just have to add it to the software sources correct?
[19:30] <bjsnider> yes
[19:30] <bjsnider> you do
[19:35] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[19:36] <elvirolo> in kubuntu karmic, the network manager widget should be in the plasma widget list, right ?
[19:38] <elvirolo> ?
[19:39] <habanany_> hello, icedtea web browser plugin vs the java (tm) plugin java SE 6 .....
[19:40] <habanany_> i'm using karmic in 32 bit
[19:42] <darthanubis> habanany_, do you have a question?
[19:49] <dupondje> evolution broken atm
[19:49] <dupondje> in package depends way ;)
[19:49] <elvirolo> please, could anyone tell me if the network widget works under kubuntu ?
[19:52] <tgpraveen11> ubottu: !info empathy
[19:52] <tgpraveen11> !info empathy
[19:53] <dupondje> !info evolution
[19:53] <dupondje> ah not updated yet :P
[20:07] <arand> !info brasero
[20:12] <Delvien> Hi, having issues getting my LCD brightness to change, my FN buttons do not work, and within /proc/acpi/GFX0 the "brightness" script only has <not supported> Yet I cannot change the brightness via FN buttons or in the bios (no settings, handled by OS)
[20:12] <Delvien> I am using a dv1000 HP laptop on karmic fully updated
[20:13] <Delvien> Anyone have any ideas?
[20:13] <Delvien> IT used to be handeled by /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness, but those files no longer exist, and I cannot make a dir nor insert the scripts into that seciton
[20:14] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, has anyone the problem that Wireless network is disabled in nm-applet an it cannot be enabled?
[20:15] <intok> Not again... hadn't updated the beta in a few days but just  did, and now I lost sound from my logitech PS2 usb headset, I have it set in the sound prefs as well as in multimedia systems selector and still no joy...
[20:15] <anilalur> wake up doesn't work, it abruptly shutdown , how can I debug ?
[20:17] <Delvien> anilalur, when you boot back into ubuntu, it should give you a bug report
[20:17] <Delvien> anilalur, if not, check dmesg and search launchpad for similar messages with karmic
[20:20] <gorthaug> hi
[20:24] <gorthaug> when i try to log in Gnome it say me "Installation Problem: not installed correctly the power manager settings" and drop me to a rudimentary gdm log window... what can i do?
[20:25] <arand> Removing rtkit to upgrade pulseaudio, sane and safe thing to do?
[20:29] <Pepel> àó
[20:29] <Pepel> ïðèâåò âñåì
[20:31] <zen|tao> I agree with Pepel ;P
[20:31] <aliendude5300> As some of you may remember, a few days ago, I said that I had an extreme performance regression in Karmic, and my system randomly locked up. That is still happening, however, after doing some research, I think I may know why... The problem is in the process called gvfs-metadata. Prior to my system freezing, I notice that gvfs-metadata is using around 1.7GB of RAM. It starts to take up as much RAM as it can as soon a
[20:31] <aliendude5300> s I log in... and once it crashes, and terminates, the system returns to an almost stable state, until the problem randomly occurs again. This happens quite frequently... I have no idea what I should do.
[20:32] <aliendude5300> The issue is still occuring after a full fsck on my linux partition, and installing ALL available updates.
[20:35] <spotter> any idea why I don't have sound in flash anymore?
[20:36] <Pepel> ау
[20:36] <Pepel> help me
[20:37]  * Pepel aykaet
[20:37] <Pici> Pepel: Don't do that please.
[20:39] <spotter> what package provides the volume control applet?
[20:39] <spotter> I don't see it anywhere
[20:41] <larsemil> question: in 9.04 as i connected my phone the computer asked me what provider i called with and set it up as a modem automagicly. In 9.10 i did not have that at all(neither in 9.04 after upgrading to kde 4.3) is there a fix for this?
[20:41] <Pici> spotter: gnome-volume-control-pulse perhaps?
[20:42] <spotter> not available
[20:42] <spotter> not in the archive anymore
[20:42] <spotter> thats what I would have thought though
[20:43] <spotter> any other ideas?
[20:44] <spotter> hmm, never mind, found it
[20:44] <spotter> for some reason wasn't inthe list of things to add, ran it manually
[20:47] <muri_one> hurray. they finally fixed the workspace switcher to work with non metacity window managers
[20:47] <KnifeySpooney> For the past two days, I've been getting a warning about a partial upgrade so I just decided to wait another day, but it keeps telling me the same thing. The only package being removed is 'rtkit'. Do I need this?
[20:48] <Delvien> How do i change the LCD brightness by command line?
[20:48] <maco> go ahead and remove it
[20:48] <KnifeySpooney> maco: so it won't hurt anything?
[20:48] <maco> KnifeySpooney: it was installed before but isnt supported by the kernel, so now theyre trying to push it back out
[20:48] <maco> yeah theres no kernel support for it, so its been installed and doing nothing
[20:49] <KnifeySpooney> Ok. Thanks
[20:50] <larsemil> question: in 9.04 as i connected my phone the computer asked me what provider i called with and set it up as a modem automagicly. In 9.10 i did not have that at all(neither in 9.04 after upgrading to kde 4.3) is there a fix for this?
[20:51] <muri_one> damn, I installed kubuntu-desktop to try it out. I was hoping when I removed it would mark the packages it pulled for autoremoval.
[20:52] <KnifeySpooney> maco: I installed the upgrade and now it's asking me if i want to remove the obsolete package "gnome-app-install". Is this ok to remove too?
[20:52] <maco> i dont know what that is
[20:52] <KnifeySpooney> ok
[20:52]  * maco not a gnome user
[20:52] <KnifeySpooney> ah
[20:52] <maco> i THINK its the add/remove thats being replaced with the software center
[20:53] <KnifeySpooney> ah
[20:53] <KnifeySpooney> maco: yep, just checked if it was that program and it is. thanks.
[20:56] <Twigathy> will `grub-install' still work with grub2?
[20:58] <shentino> Has anyone besides me had trouble using ext4?
[20:58] <vistakiller> what happen with akregator with the last patch crashes
[20:58] <vistakiller> i try to remove it before with --purge
[20:58] <vistakiller> he works fine
[20:59] <vistakiller> but now is crashes again
[20:59] <muri_one> shentino: people have had none ubuntu specific trouble.. I have never had any myself. You probably need to be more specific
[21:00] <Twigathy> I'm using ext4 on a CompactFlash card ^_^
[21:00] <coz_> vistakiller,  akregator is on kde right?
[21:00] <vistakiller> yes
[21:00] <Twigathy> Going to probably burn through the write cycles with the journal though, heh
[21:00] <vistakiller> kubuntu have many problems in karmic
[21:01] <vistakiller> too many error report
[21:01] <coz_> vistakiller,  mm  I dont use kde any longer  and it may well be a kde/ubuntu issue
[21:01] <vistakiller> but it works fine before one day
[21:01] <coz_> vistakiller,  it could also be that karmic is still in beta and these things should be expected until release
[21:02] <coz_> vistakiller,  the sensible thing would now be to open akregator with the terminal.... watch for the errors and report them on the bug site
[21:02] <vistakiller> wait i have an update for akregator
[21:02] <shentino> ok, my current problem with ext4, both on karmic beta AND jaunty, is sporadic corruption.  I recently had to give up on it when a spate of errors of somesort knocked out the fs journal, and once fsck got done mopping up after the journal getting nuked (with live changes still inside), I had to rummage around in lost+found to get my data back
[21:02] <shentino> yecch
[21:03] <coz_> shentino,  yikes
[21:03] <shentino> yeah
[21:03] <shentino> somehow my ext4 journal got borked while there were live changes still uncommitted.
[21:03] <shentino> you can guess what a big mess that would create
[21:04] <coz_> shentino,  for sure... I am  using karmic as we speak and have had no problems so far as   ext4 is concerned  so this is somewhat puzzling
[21:05] <shentino> Well the actual "mother of all borks" happened under jaunty.  I'm curious if there were any major bugfixes to ext4 that would be unique to karmic
[21:05] <coz_> shentino,  I cant answer that but I am sure someone else here can
[21:06] <coz_> shentino,  I am still getting up to speed with grub2 :)
[21:06] <shentino> no prob
[21:06] <mbeierl> anyone know if ip forwarding or masq has changed between 9.04 and 9.10?  my vmware workstation no longer seems to be able to use NAT
[21:06] <shentino> I'm just, well, not keen on trusting ext4 until I'm sure that I hit old cruft that has since probably been fixed
[21:10] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, has anyone the problem that Wireless network is disabled in nm-applet an it cannot be enabled?
[21:11] <fluvvell> mbeierl, I don't know about vmware as much but with virtualbox you needed to update the kernel code when you installed a new kernel
[21:16] <vistakiller> the problem still exist
[21:17] <vistakiller> i have this error when the akregator crash file retriever error: 114
[21:18] <vistakiller> what is this error that have akregator
[21:18] <vistakiller> too many error with file retriever
[21:19] <vistakiller> and after it crash
[21:20] <webbb82>  after installing flashplugin-installer  would ioi have to logout and then backin to get it to work
[21:21] <wirechief> Ubuntu karmic daily boots to blank screen, how do i configure x so it will boot to desktop
[21:22] <wirechief> hmm maybe a boot cheat is in order...
[21:23] <topyli> webbb82, no
[21:28] <mbeierl> fluvvell: thanks - I am up to date with the kernel mods, it's just that for some reason I am no longer able to do nat stuff
[21:29] <mbeierl> is it still not possible to turn off ipv6 in karmic?
[21:29] <kane77> ubuntu one seems to work :)
[21:30] <shentino> mbeierl:  Is v6 support compiled into the karmic kernel by default?
[21:37] <vistakiller> anyone else running kubuntu karmic?
[21:39] <vistakiller> anyone else running kubuntu karmic in earth??
[21:39] <larsemil> yes
[21:40] <vistakiller> larsemil akregator is working in your system?
[21:46] <BluesKaj> akregator works on mine
[21:46] <vistakiller> hmm
[21:46] <vistakiller> i just remove the akregator file from .kde/apps
[21:46] <vistakiller> and after i have import my rss manual
[21:46] <BluesKaj> <---kubuntu karmic 64bit beta
[21:47] <vistakiller> it works now
[21:47] <vistakiller> same here BluesKaj
[21:47] <Ian_Corne> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libjaxp1.3-java_1.3.04-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
[21:47] <Ian_Corne> hmmm
[21:47] <Ian_Corne> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libjaxp1.3-java_1.3.04-5ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/java/xml-apis.jar', which is also in package libxalan2-java 0:2.7.1-2ubuntu1
[21:49] <BluesKaj> trying to install java ?
[21:49] <vistakiller> thanks BleusKaj :) for your support
[21:51]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[21:52] <lotia> anyone here experiencing the screen brightness bug that causes the brightness to jump up and down for a while after boot
[21:53] <lotia> with karmic that is. i experienced it with the netbook remix
[21:54] <dupondje> sending files disabled in Empathy ?
[21:56] <alanp> I recently upgraded to Karmic from Jaunty.  When I click the Application Launcher, for some reason it aligns at the TOP LEFT of the screen instead of the bottom left.  My desktop is completely broken with a grey and white checkered background that has no functionality.  Also, no open applications add themselves to the task bar.  What's going on?
[21:56] <alanp> This is kubuntu
[21:57] <shentino> heh
[21:57] <addisonj> hello, just upgraded, my vmware workstation got broked, trying to rebuild modules, which fails
[21:58] <shentino> after my e4 crash I tried to reinstall jaunty...but the CD was bad so now I'm bumped all the way back down to hardy :P
[22:00] <mzz> alanp: no kde here, but it sounds like removing and re-adding the relevant elements to the panel might be worth a shot. And if that doesn't help I'd see if the same thing happens in a fresh user account.
[22:01] <dupondje> dude, Empathy is going to Replace pidgin? But file transfer doesn't work ? Chats doesn't get shown directly, users logging in doesn't work it crashes at random ? ...
[22:02]  * mzz is weird and doesn't use either
[22:02] <mzz> dupondje: in general I'd say file bugs if there aren't any yet
[22:02] <joaopinto> dupondje, it will replace at some point it time
[22:03] <dupondje> so nobody can send files with it ?$
[22:03] <mzz> dupondje: pidgin's still there if you want it, but this is one of the things in karmic that I think it's really desirable to give feedback (bug reports) on so it'll work better in the next (lts) ubuntu
[22:03] <shentino> I'll be happy as long as IRC channels belonging to two different networks are properly segregated ala konversation
[22:04] <dupondje> It is possible to send files only using the following services: Jabber,
[22:04] <dupondje>        Google Talk and People Nearby.
[22:04] <dupondje>
[22:04] <Monika|K> today's update say it wants to remove ktorrent, that seems strange to me ... is that okay?
[22:04] <dupondje> lol :)
[22:04]  * mzz wants to try to hack something up that gives him empathy-style notifications on top of his usual irssi irc clietn
[22:04] <mzz> client, even
[22:05] <dupondje> btw, anybody else finds the networkmanager icon damn ugly ? ;)
[22:06] <mzz> the gray one? I kinda like it
[22:06] <dupondje> its not gray ...
[22:06] <mzz> which one then?
[22:06] <dupondje> black with grey border
[22:06] <joaopinto> I didn't liked it at the beginnning, it looked disabled, now I am used to it
[22:06] <dupondje> like a UTP plug ...
[22:06] <dupondje> :)
[22:06] <joaopinto> it's grey for me
[22:06] <mzz> it's grey with a transparent background here
[22:06] <joaopinto> same here
[22:07] <mzz> but I messed around with the theming a little. Lemme boot that laptop and screenshot it.
[22:07] <dupondje> what icon set ?
[22:07] <mzz> humanity-dark
[22:07] <mzz> but humanity's the same with a different shade of gray
[22:07] <dupondje> btw about bug reporting, reported a extremely annoying bug in karmic https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[22:07] <dupondje> and will never get fixed it seems
[22:08] <mzz> basically I took the standard human/humanity theme and made the panel background dark (which meant forcing the text displayed on it to be light)
[22:08] <dupondje> Human looks bad
[22:09] <dupondje> Humanity is nice, but doesn't fit with other icons then :s
[22:10] <joaopinto> no one uses aptitude :P
[22:12] <mzz> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/m/hacked-up-theme.png is my slightly tweaked panel
[22:14] <mzz> does that have the same networkmanager icon that bugs you?
[22:16] <dupondje> no, that Humanity
[22:16] <dupondje> try Human theme :)
[22:17] <dupondje> then you'll have a quite ugly icon ;)
[22:19] <Twigathy> http://www.uploadthis.co.uk/uploads/twigathy/karmicdesktop-twigathy-2009-10-19.png <-- my current desktop, complete with a big black square for no reason. Thanks a lot nvidia drivers!
[22:20] <Twigathy> (It all displays fine onscreen, but screenshots don't always work)
[22:20] <BUGabundo> hey guys and galls
[22:20]  * BUGabundo tickels Twigathy
[22:20]  * Twigathy explodes
[22:21] <addisonj> anyone using vmware workstation and getting it to work:?
[22:21] <Twigathy> hey BUGabundo, you might know this. I installed Karmic to a 500GB disk, then copied it to a 16GB CompactFlash using gparted. How do I make grub2 work on the new boot disk? Right now I have to have the 500G one plugged in to boot the 16G disk and it's just silly...
[22:23] <BUGabundo> (re)install grub on the CF
[22:23] <Twigathy> does grub-install still work?
[22:23] <mzz> Twigathy: just running "grub-install /dev/sd<whateverthecfis>" might do the trick
[22:23] <legend2440> in jaunty there was a fsck progress bar and i presume if there were errors it would be reported on that screen also. how would you know if there were any fsck errors with karmic? it works in the background
[22:24] <Twigathy> I'll give it a go :)
[22:24] <mzz> Twigathy: I've run grub 2's grub-install exactly once though, so no guarantees on that one
[22:24] <Twigathy> *grin* ok
[22:24] <mzz> (once manually, that is. The installer and/or other tools might also be running it)
[22:25] <mzz> legend2440: bug 446596 (and notice "fix committed")
[22:25] <dupondje> where can I find the svn repo from aptitude?
[22:25] <legend2440> mzz: ok thanks
[22:26] <mzz> grr
[22:26] <mzz> apparently I have the wrong kind of fingers to use a touchpad. Does anyone have any spares (either better fingers or a touchpad less sensitive to dirt or whatever it is)?
[22:27] <bjsnider> mzz, is that what they call a rhetorical question?
[22:27] <bjsnider> or do you want someone to chop off their fingers?
[22:27] <mzz> yeah, I'm not sure how the spare fingers thing would work myself
[22:28] <mzz> hmm, perhaps there's a sensitivity knob in the driver I can tweak
[22:28] <rob0> mmm, finger sandwiches!
[22:29] <rob0> Those go well with Wendy's chili, I hear. :)
[22:31]  * Twigathy tries a reboot...
[22:32] <Heikki123> hey, i just installed my printer to karmic and i saw that if i share it in internet, it will be shared without password protection
[22:32] <Heikki123> by default
[22:32] <Heikki123> imho it should be "authenticated" mode by default
[22:33] <Twigathy> wahey, it worked
[22:34] <Twigathy> thanks all :)
[22:34] <rob0> What would the default password be? And how is having a default password any better than having no password?
[22:35] <mzz> also why would you share your printer to the internet
[22:35] <jemark> :)
[22:36] <Heikki123> rob0: no default password of course. it is using the system user passwords
[22:37] <Heikki123> mzz: because i am printing from my laptop thru wlan
[22:37] <Heikki123> rob0: and i never said default password
[22:37] <rob0> Oh, I guess you're talking about CUPS?
[22:38] <Heikki123> yea
[22:38] <Heikki123> what did you think i was talking about then? :)
[22:39] <rob0> How much does Ubuntu customize CUPS?
[22:39] <Heikki123> dunno
[22:40] <Heikki123> i think not so much
[22:40] <Heikki123> if at all
[22:40] <Heikki123> or, well... anyhow
[22:44] <nicklas_> hello, anyone knows why they have changed from pidgin to empathy in the new ubuntu that is coming? and are there any other changes?
[22:45] <Heikki123> nicklas_: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/720iq/empathy_vs_pidginwill_empathy_replace_pidgin_in/
[22:53] <huff42> hello, I'm curious if anyone might know a fix for the wireless problem with moblin and the msi wind netbook?
[22:53] <vvarder> Hi all, quick question.  When booting from the Beta Live CD (via a USB key created by Ubuntu) I get a screen with just a computer icon, and it says "ubuntu".  If I click on that, it says "ubuntu karmic (development branch)".  I want to test via the live cd to confirm a bug has been fixed, am I missing something obvious?
[22:53] <FunnyLookinHat> vvarder, stfu.
[22:54] <histo> Is there a way to remove the obsolete packages that apt shows when you do an update?
[22:55] <davisc> apt-get autoremove
[22:55] <histo> I ran a sudo aptitude update earlier and it said several pacakges where obsolete after it updated the repos
[22:55] <histo> davisc: autoremove won't get rid of them. its mostly old kernels that are installed but now its not complaining about them.
[22:55] <histo> This is odd behavior
[22:57] <rob0> apt-get needs a rid-of command :)
[22:57] <shentino> ...don't be rude
[22:58] <histo> I guess I could run aptitude and see if it lists them there.
[22:58] <vvarder> FunnyLookinHat has suggested it might be the USB key, I shall format and try again
[23:02] <shentino> histo:  I noticed that myself
[23:02] <shentino> My guess is:  That the kernel is so ubercritical that it leaves behind obsolete versions on purpose for you to fall back on if something goes screwy
[23:02] <shentino> kinda like driver rollback in windows
[23:03] <mzz> I don't really care for that feature myself, although it hasn't bugged me enough for me to find out how to turn it off
[23:03] <voidmage> Has the mouse clicks not registering in flash been fixed yet?
[23:03] <mzz> my reasoning is that there's at least a handful of other packages that would leave the system at least as unusable as a broken kernel
[23:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> is the PPA keyserver down for anyone else here?
[23:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> i cant auth
[23:03] <nemo> mzz: any that keep you from getting to busybox? :)
[23:03] <mzz> arguably more so, because if I can't chroot in it's harder to fix stuff than if the main kernel doesn't boot
[23:04] <mzz> nemo: well, busybox itself was the main one on my list
[23:04] <nemo> mzz: also, doesn't Computer Janitor offer to clean up obsolete kernels?
[23:04] <nemo> heh
[23:04] <mzz> nemo: also most stuff that goes in initramfs, since my root is on lvm
[23:04] <mzz> so that's at the very least busybox and lvm, and I suspect there are more
[23:04] <nemo> mzz: fortunately busybox doesn't change much
[23:04] <mzz> oh, and grub
[23:05] <nemo> mzz: I do agree upgrading grub can be super bad times.
[23:05] <nemo> however, still happens a lot less often than kernel
[23:06]  * NinjaPlimsolls waits
[23:06] <mzz> I haven't had ubuntu kernels fail catastrophically yet, but I'm still relatively new to the system
[23:06] <nemo> mzz: I've had to roll back several times w/ karmic
[23:07] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: the ppa what?
[23:07] <histo> nemo: aptitude will do it but you have to use the interface it won't do it from cli
[23:07] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: I was assuming "the ppa keyserver" was keyserver.ubuntu.com, but that doesn't fit with "I can't auth"
[23:08] <mzz> I've been apt-get purge-ing stale kernels by hand, but iirc computer janitor does offer to do it too
[23:08] <NinjaPlimsolls> using sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 7558DD0 nothing happens
[23:08] <voidmage> that's a weird workaround for the flash mouse bug
[23:08] <NinjaPlimsolls> it sits for 40-50 seconds then says it timed out
[23:08] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: that looks like a typo
[23:09] <mzz> specifically, iirc key ids are normally 8 chars long
[23:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> uh, no, I copied it from the PPA website
[23:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> oh, a 7 is missing from the copied text
[23:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> still doesnt do anything
[23:10] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: where?
[23:10] <hipitihop> if I were to install clean on a machine from a current bet live cd, will I be able to do just uptdate && upgrade when final release or will I need to completely reinstall
[23:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> does the keyserver use a specific port number?
[23:10] <histo> hipitihop: yes just update it
[23:10] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: I'll try here, but I'd prefer to use the same key id
[23:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> aah its ok, just turned on DMZ on my router and it imported the key :P
[23:10] <histo> hipitihop: you can also download a daily build to be current as of today
[23:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> silly NAT firewall
[23:10] <mzz> hmm, weird
[23:11] <mzz> I wasn't aware of keyserver communication being an annoying protocol for NAT to handle
[23:11]  * NinjaPlimsolls shrugs
[23:11] <NinjaPlimsolls> working now
[23:11] <hipitihop> histo: thanks, link to daily build ?
[23:11] <vistakiller> what is the best antispam filter to put in kmail?
[23:15] <koshari> will the desktop live disc be ready come showtime?
[23:16] <NinjaPlimsolls> mzz
[23:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> ok, ive got the key now, but I cant see the ppa repo in my origin list in Synaptic, any idea why its not there?
[23:17] <mzz> did you add it to sources.list?
[23:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> yup
[23:17] <mzz> and did you apt-get update?
[23:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> yup :)
[23:17] <mzz> (or click the equivalent button in synaptic)
[23:17] <mzz> and did that succeed?
[23:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> .....yup ;)
[23:18] <mzz> then I don't know and I'd try to manually install something (or apt-cache show something) that's supposed to be in the ppa
[23:18] <mzz> (I don't normally use synaptic, I don't know if there's a synaptic-specific step I'm overlooking)
[23:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> i added the gnome-do ppa
[23:28] <kevin123> hey
[23:28] <kevin123> how do i get to advanced osund settings?
[23:28] <kevin123> i need to turn my mic up, or enable it for that matter
[23:28] <kevin123> *sound
[23:28] <siegie> Sometimes when i close kontact, it's still there in ps aux. The result is that i can't start kontact again.
[23:32] <hsarci_> so im not really sure what happened but whenever i boot now im presented with a graphical terminal that is in a small framless static windows on the top lefthand corner and the rest of my screen is black
[23:33] <delight> I got a little problem with karmic ... just wanted to ask if somebody else experienced similiar problems
[23:34] <hsarci_> !does anyone | delight
[23:34] <hsarci_> oops
[23:34] <hsarci_> lol
[23:34] <hsarci_> !anyone | delight
[23:36] <delight> I use 64bit karmic + sun-jdk6 ... when i tryed using eclipse 3.5.1 64bit from eclipse.org I experienced problems  clicking on the buttons of the dialogs ... create new java-project for example
[23:36] <delight> it would only "click" a button by usind the space-bar instead of trying to click with the mouse
[23:37] <mzz> bug 442078 perhaps?
[23:37] <delight> I'll have a look ;) and add my experience if not ;)
[23:37] <delight> thanks
[23:38] <histo> hipitihop: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[23:40] <histo> hipitihop: thats teh alternative install
[23:40] <Berzerker> is there a way to keep sound flowing the my sound system so it doesn't have lag in detecting sound? Logitech Z-5500s with an X-Fi
[23:40] <histo> hipitihop: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ is the live cd
[23:42] <xrandr> so, who has success stories for 9.10?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> xrandr: mine has been working for 5,5 months
[23:43] <Berzerker> xrandr, no problems here, on a desktop and UNR
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I consider that a success
[23:43] <xrandr> How good is the nvidia support for it? I went from 8.04 with good nvidia support to 9.04 with horrible support. I used to have 1920x1280 resolution on 8.04. On 9.04 i can get 1600x1200 max without it looking all messed up
[23:44] <BUGabundo> nvidia close source driver
[23:44] <BUGabundo> *always* worked good for me
[23:44] <Berzerker> 185 works fine for me.
[23:44] <BUGabundo> and seem really nice now
[23:44] <BUGabundo> even on multi monitor
[23:44] <BUGabundo> or even projectors
[23:45] <xrandr> I had to fight to get the 1600x1200 resolution
[23:45] <xrandr> tho fighting consisted of plugging in the DVI cable
[23:45] <xrandr> but im on VGA. I don't like the HDMi->DVI conversion (thats the cable i had)
[23:45] <BUGabundo> xrandr: tip: $ xrandr --auto
[23:45] <BUGabundo> is a life saver
[23:46] <hipitihop> histo, thanks, downloading now.
[23:46] <rob0> haha I was thinking the same thing
[23:46] <xrandr> well, im downloading 9.10 now
[23:46] <Berzerker> xrandr, HDMI -> DVI conversion is not really conversion.
[23:46] <Berzerker> it's just a change of connectors.
[23:46] <xrandr> we'll see how it goes. It's gonna be a fresh install
[23:46] <Berzerker> since HDMI = DVI + S/PDIF
[23:48] <xrandr> let
[23:48] <xrandr> let's see what xrandr --auto does now :)
[23:48] <xrandr> absolutely nothing :)
[23:48] <xrandr> screen didn't even flicker
[23:48] <BUGabundo> guess there's nothing to be done
[23:48] <BUGabundo> usualy it updates all devices
[23:49] <BUGabundo> and turns them on
[23:49] <xrandr> yeh, but as i said... 8.04 i had 1920,x1280 resolution. In 9.04 i only have 1600x1200  (which isn't horrible)
[23:50] <hsarci_> whats the name of the applet in the top right with username and a powerbutton icon???
[23:51] <BUGabundo> xrandr: pleanty of drivers and X options for you now
[23:51] <BUGabundo> just take a look at x-squad PPAs
[23:51] <BUGabundo> yes plural
[23:52] <xrandr> BUGabundo: what are they?
[23:52] <BUGabundo> grr
[23:52] <BUGabundo> not sure
[23:52] <hsarci_> whats the name of the applet in the top right with username and a powerbutton icon??? please someone just look at there applet list
[23:52] <BUGabundo> need to google them :)
[23:52] <BUGabundo> hsarci_: FUSA
[23:52] <legend2440> hsarci_: indicator applet session
[23:53]  * xrandr does like the new KDE desktop though :)
[23:53] <hsarci_> thanks..
[23:53] <mzz> hsarci_: FUSA is the old (up to jaunty) one, indicator applet session is the new (karmic) one
[23:53] <hsarci_> thanks guys
[23:53] <xrandr> I've always been torn between KDE and GNOME. So I use both :)
[23:54] <mzz> also, am I the only one who thinks having the username in there is annoying? I got rid of it here
[23:54] <t0s> yeah i always thought the name went there not username
[23:54] <t0s> how do u get rid of it mzz?
[23:54] <mzz> well, my full name is in the menu that shows up when I click the button, which I'm ok with
[23:55] <mzz> t0s: I patched indicator-session :)
[23:55] <t0s> o
[23:55] <hsarci_> i just feel like the top bar is wasted space so i like to have things up there even if i dont use them much
[23:56] <mzz> hsarci_: I tend to get rid of one of the two panels, so I need the space (or I am left with a really tiny windowlist)
[23:57] <hsarci_> what i really want is a spotlight-ish quick search...or even a search box that is simply embeeed into the panel in a flush-like way
[23:57] <mzz> I'm also considering hacking up gnome-panel to get rid of the "System" menu
[23:57] <mzz> hsarci_: assuming you tried deskbar-applet and it didn't quite do what you need?
[23:58] <hsarci_> yeah...
[23:58] <nemo> mzz: I renamed my combined menu
[23:58] <nemo> to Apps/Locs/Sys
[23:58] <mikehh> I can not get my numeric keypad to work in 9.10 beta (updated) amd64 - it works in 9.04 - any ideas?
[23:58] <nemo> mzz: took up way less space
[23:59] <nemo> mzz: I also reduced the height of top nav to 20px
[23:59] <mzz> nemo: I got rid of "Applications" completely, it's just an icon now (it's right in the corner, so it's not like it has to be large to hit it)
[23:59] <nemo> which required rescaling the ubuntu logo
[23:59] <nemo> mzz: oh. I wanted the 3 menus still.
[23:59] <legend2440> mikehh: try  shift+numlock key
[23:59] <nemo> mzz: I didn't care for the combined menu
[23:59] <mzz> nemo: I do still have three menus, but the left one is just an icon
[23:59] <nemo> ah. gotcha
[23:59] <nemo> hm
[23:59] <nemo> mzz: you know. that makes sense...
[23:59] <nemo> good idea :)


[05:31] <RAOF> Ok. I want a new Dell XPS 15.
[05:50] <anpok> those are nice
[06:38] <RAOF> In a shocking twist, that took longer than I expected :)
[06:42] <RAOF> But there's a kinda-sorta-working multistream demo.
[06:59] <RAOF> ...and then when you realise that MirGraphicsRegion.stride is in bytes rather than pixels, everything even looks approximately right!
[09:12] <alan_g> greyback_: fixed: https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/qtmir/test-harness-for-MirWindowManager/+merge/274221
[09:12] <greyback_> alan_g: just a different MP?
[09:13] <alan_g> I couldn't reproduce, but I *think* LP got the prerequisites in a tangle.
[09:14] <alan_g> In the end I overwrote the branch with an identical head and recreated the MP.
[09:14] <greyback_> strange, but glad that issue has gone away
[09:17]  * alan_g wishes he could have reproduced but can't justify investing more time into understanding.
[13:00] <Saviq> anpok, pmcgowan has the "screen doesn't go off" issue right now, can you find him and provide any guidance as to how to debug?
[13:01] <Saviq> anpok, unping, alf's helping already
[13:30] <seb128> kgunn, do you know what's the status to land a mir version that builds in wily?
[13:32] <alan_g> seb128: waiting on QA I think. alf ^?
[13:34] <alf> seb128: Mir 0.17 is in "Ready for QA" state in ci-train, if that's what you mean
[13:37] <alan_g> alf: seb128 actually, that's the "dual" landing to overlay. We also need to copy across to wily.
[13:37] <seb128> alan_g, do you need somebody to do the copy for you?
[13:38] <seb128> alf, unsure, train landing don't go to distro by default anymore, so maybe the answer is that we need to land that and pocket copy then
[13:38] <alf> seb128: alan_g: ah, you mean the real wily, yes we would need to copy after release to the overlays
[13:38] <alan_g> seb128: yes, we will.
[13:39] <seb128> great
[13:39] <kgunn> ack, will help keep an eye on as well
[15:12] <dandrader> anpok, do you happen to know what's the usual value range for the pressure axis?
[15:12] <dandrader> anpok, is it something like [0,1]?
[15:18] <anpok> hm
[15:18] <anpok> i think we might not have normalized the values in the past..
[15:18] <anpok> but with the new input stat it will be [0,1]
[15:18] <anpok> *stack


[18:14] <pleia2> reflashed my Nexus 7 (2013) with Android, the end of an era!
[18:15] <dax> my test Nexus moved to LineageOS, personally
[18:15] <dax> works pretty well, use the same thing on my daily phone
[18:36] <pleia2> neat, maybe I'll play with that at some point


[00:08] <gogeta> anyone knoe abought eepc
[00:09] <gogeta> thers a feture from xandros i wnna do with lubuntu
[00:09] <slooksterpsv> what feature is that?
[00:09] <gogeta> when you insert a sd card in xandros it will set that as your total fs size
[00:09] <gogeta> not a sepret card
[00:10] <gogeta> i suppose i can make it a perment setting using lvm
[00:10] <gogeta> but then removing it = no boot
[00:11] <slooksterpsv> ouch uh... I don't know how to do that I apologize
[00:12] <gogeta> yea i cant find any info on it
[00:12] <gogeta> guess its not to big of a deal
[00:12] <slooksterpsv> well let's research it out I"ll see what I can find
[00:13] <gogeta> heh trust me i have been all over google for that one
[00:13] <gogeta> only a fourm post asking how with no replys
[00:13] <phillw> gogeta: bioterror was 'playing' with SD cards yesterday, hang around until he is next active.
[00:13] <phillw> he had his working fine.
[00:14] <gogeta> phillw: working isnt the issue
[00:14] <phillw> but it is 02:14 over there, and he'll be tucked up in bed.
[00:15] <gogeta> phillw: its abought using it as a disk space expansion but still be removbale like xandros had it
[00:15] <phillw> gogeta: for something like that, I'd suggest the mailing list.
[00:16] <phillw> lubuntu <> xandros
[00:16] <phillw> gogeta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
[00:16] <gogeta> phillw: lol yea diffrent os but that feature has to be diable in other distros
[00:17] <phillw> there are some clever people on the ml, who have done all sorts of 'daft' things to lubuntu, one of them may be able to give you some pointers.
[00:35] <gogeta> phillw: looks like its purly softwhere drivin
[00:36] <slooksterpsv> gogeta: time to learn python :P
[00:36] <gogeta> i guess unr has it aruldy
[00:36] <slooksterpsv> oh really? I'll have to look at that, I wonder how they did it
[00:36] <gogeta> just was in a fourm post unr has it
[00:37] <gogeta> but unr is going the wayside anyways
[00:37] <gogeta> being ubuntu 11 will use unity on all versions
[00:38] <slooksterpsv> I'll see if I can find out anything regarding how they did it and see what it would take to implement it into Lubuntu
[00:38] <slooksterpsv> not into the whole Lubuntu system as that would be up to the developers, but you could offer the idea up to them and see what they thing
[00:42] <phillw> gogeta: unity has virtually no affect on lubuntu, http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=251
[00:42] <gogeta> phillw: looks like aufs does what im asking wonder if its enabled in he gernec kernel
[00:42] <gogeta> and it is
[02:26] <tamme> hi there
[02:26] <tamme> I'm runing lubuntu 10.10 and everything is working great :) yeah
[02:37] <jpmccarthy> has anyone had any luck making lubuntu open for remote desktop?
[02:38] <jpmccarthy> I keep getting error on port 5900
[02:53] <zk_> anyone online?
[02:58]  * phillw i am
[02:59] <zk_> phillw : how can i keep my resolution after reboot?
[03:00] <phillw> zk_: if i recall, it is a known bug. you can install xorg.conf which will remember it for you.
[03:00] <zk_> phillw : how do i do that? :d
[03:02] <zk_> phillw : or where do i find xorg.conf to edit it?
[03:03] <phillw> zk_: be patient!! I'm digging :)
[03:03] <phillw> try http://www.osguides.net/operation-systems/217-how-to-create-xorgconf-in-ubuntu-910.html
[03:06] <zk_> phillw : thanks. and one more thing any idea how to use transgaming cedega? :)
[03:09] <phillw> zk_: not a clue, there is a gaming area on the main forum at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=93 with the multi media section at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 just remember to use the lubuntu tag so they know you're not using 'vanilla' ubuntu
[03:10] <zk_> phillw : ok...what is the desktop service for lubuntu? sudo service gdm stop say there is no gdm service running
[03:10] <zk_> ?
[03:10] <phillw> zk_: lxdm
[03:10] <phillw> sorry :( should have told you that.
[03:15] <zk_> phillw : done with the xorg.conf ... is that all? i'll to a reboot to see :D
[03:16] <phillw> zk_: if you've set the resolution in xorg, it should remember it for you (crosses fingers)
[10:01] <leszek> hi
[17:48] <hblount> hi. i am trying to install lubuntu on an old laptop but when it gets to "allocate drive space" part, there's nothing listed in the window so i cant choose where to install. can anyone help?
[17:51] <bioterror> alternate install or what?
[17:55] <hblount> no. regular lubuntu usb install
[18:00] <bioterror> yeah
[18:01] <bioterror> no that old laptop then if you can boot from usb ;)
[18:01] <bioterror> nothing listed
[18:01] <bioterror> sounds like it doesnt find your hdd?
[18:02] <hblount> yeah...its weird. i can see it in file manager, but i cant open it and look at files. i just did the other day with live boot... :P
[18:03] <hblount> open and look at files that is
[18:07] <bioterror> :o
[20:48] <leszek> hi
[20:48] <bioterror> howdy
[20:57] <head_victim> Morning
[21:19] <sultan2> man, I'm so desperate, I just added a *ubuntu room to my Roster (Buddy List) ;)
[21:20] <sultan2> I'm a bioterror addict...
[21:20] <bioterror> hahaha
[21:20] <sultan2> how are you? ;)
[21:20] <bioterror> fine thanks
[21:20] <bioterror> how about you
[21:20] <sultan2> I'm good, thank you very much :)