 For me since 2015 on BQ 4.5 and N5.
 @Tomáš A Soušek [Is here anyone who use Ubuntu Touch as daily driver?], since 2015 for me
 I've been using UT since 2013 and my main phone since 2015
[03:05] <ubptgbot> holukije was added by: holukije
 also since 2015 for me
 I wait that new phone like librem5 or pinephone, then i will be back to UT. for now, XA2 with Sailfish is good   substitute 😊
 [Edit] I wait that new phone like librem5 or pinephone, then i will be back to UT. for now, XA2 with Sailfish is good substitute 😊
 @David [Has anyone made a tutorial on how to code, install and run a "Hello World" app f …], I would recommend you also to have a look at this programming course for Ubuntu Touch: https://github.com/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course-gitbook even if full of information related to a nowadays deprecated SDK, it is anyway useful IMHO.
[05:56] <ubptgbot>  To build the .click files we use a very handy tool called clickable, which is awesome :)
[06:02] <ubptgbot> taerexony was added by: taerexony
 I will update the doc
 @mimecar [I will update the doc], Great Miguel! Thank you for your work, really appreciated and very useful to understand how to properly use Qt/QML
 Fantastic job indeed! :)
 BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One
 which makes me wonder, is there any way to import contacts from either Google or Nextcloud account? It's pretty much the last issue that stops it from becoming my daily driver
 one time import?
 have you tried downloading all your contacts (vcf file) from nextcloud and adding them in the phone via terminal with syncevolution?
 @tylnesh [which makes me wonder, is there any way to import contacts from either Google or …], There should be a contact import option in the Contacts app
 @tylnesh [which makes me wonder, is there any way to import contacts from either Google or …], You should be able to sync with both Google and nextcloud
 nope, doesn't work with Google
 and heard it doesn't work with Nextcloud yet
 I thought my contacts used to sync with nextcloud but I might just have been delusional :') anyways GTG ttul8r
 if you want to try downloading the file, I can guide you with the syncevolution command
 @hacker12455 [There should be a contact import option in the Contacts app], There is already an issue open for that.
 vcf can be imported using filemanager. Copy file on your phone, tap in filemanager, select contacts as target. Done (hopefully)
 @tylnesh [which makes me wonder, is there any way to import contacts from either Google or …], Unfortunately that is an open issue that is waiting to be fixed for Contacts.  Currently what I do is export all my contacts to a vcf file, load that to my UT device, and then import that to my Contacts by clicking on the vcf file in File Man
[07:23] <ubptgbot> ager, and then choose the Contacts app from the list of apps that pops up.  I do regular backups of all my Contacts to a vcf file that I keep on my NextCloud account - and I keep this synced via the UBsync app that is available in the Open Store.
 @TotalSonic [Unfortunately that is an open issue that is waiting to be fixed for Contacts.  C …], That may be viable
 I'll try to get back to RC channel
 see if BT is working
 and import my contacts that way
 @tylnesh [see if BT is working], what device are you using?
 OnePlus One
 on stable the microphone on my headset doesn't work
 on dev, it works
 @tylnesh [see if BT is working], Bluetooth File Transfer app in the Open Store works well on my OPO - I am in RC channel though … https://open-store.io/app/ubtd.fourloop2002
 I meant using bluetooth headphones and microphones
 for voice caling
 Bluetooth is working for sending audio, but not receiving, in RC.  Don't know about devel.
 In devel I tried it on saturday and it worked
 @tylnesh [In devel I tried it on saturday and it worked], that is good to know
[08:21] <ubptgbot> EraLimSIM was added by: EraLimSIM
 @tylnesh [BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One], Bluetooth calling, or Bluetooth sharing/ streaming?
 @EraLimSIM [EraLimSIM was added by: bhushanshah], Hello there. Are you human?
 @tylnesh [BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One], [Edit] Bluetooth calling, or Bluetooth sharing/ streaming? If the calling works, that's great, there is a hope on oter devices might as well.
 If no response within 5 mins, banhammer will be dropped
 @tylnesh [BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One], [Edit] Bluetooth calling, or Bluetooth sharing/ streaming? If the calling works, that's great, there is a hope on other devices might as well.
 @bhushanshah [If no response within 5 mins, banhammer will be dropped], He is virtual, so no human 😆
 @Flohack [He is virtual, so no human 😆], Virtual machine was deleted
 @Stefano0101 [Bluetooth calling, or Bluetooth sharing/ streaming? If the calling works, that's …], Calling and playback works, I don't use BT file sharing
[10:41] <ubptgbot> HARVEY WATKINS was added by: HARVEY WATKINS
 that would be quite surprising.
 Looks as if the N5 camera has gone back to some of its old tricks: video freezes and if I press the record button anyway it says 'capture failed, restart might help'. RC channel.
 @tylnesh [BTW, with dev channel, the Bluetooth works like a charm on OnePlus One], How long does it usually take to migrate to the RC channel? And does that mean there is hope that it will also work again on the Aquaris 4.5?
 @ulrichard [How long does it usually take to migrate to the RC channel? And does that mean t …], however long it takes to download the image and reboot/install it
 so basically same amount of time as a full flash of UT
 So, there is no distinction between dev and RC channels?
 well they are different channels. but they basically remain the same during the freeze
 @TotalSonic [Bluetooth is working for sending audio, but not receiving, in RC.  Don't know ab …], It work for sending? Hmmm
 @Fuseteam [It work for sending? Hmmm], you can stream a2dp but headset/handsfree profile doesn't work well
 The last time i tested it didn't work with bluetooth speakers
 It works great as a bluetooth speaker itself tho :p
 [Edit] The last time i tested my device, it didn't work with bluetooth speakers
 which is a feature i enjoy using
 Wait you can use your device as a Bluetooth speaker?
 ^
 yes, you can user your PC as one too even
 Ive done it with my PC, my device has never been the speaker though, Ive tried a few times but it didnt work
 not really worth the trouble either way, though
 Yeah, prob not
 would be more useful to have emulated bluetooth host/central device for qemu and being able to write some scripts/modules to emulate different types of bluetooth devices for testing
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[15:01] <ubptgbot> <W M> Weird question:  … Does The UBports installer install the latest stable version from UBports or the latest stable version from Canonical? … I ask because I installed it on my Meizu Pro 5 (Ubuntu Edition) and it works well. But there were a lot of updates. When I rebooted to update, I got a white screen that said it failed and to contact custo
[15:01] <ubptgbot> mer service. … Looking online, there were instructions to change the cache partition size. I slowly and carefully did that, but it didn't fix the update problem. It also prevented Android from booting when I reinstalled it. … So for now, I reverted the partition changes and I'm back on a working Android, scared to brick my phone. … Thoughts?
[15:04] <ubptgbot> meprashant was added by: meprashant
 @W M [Weird question:  … Does The UBports installer install the latest stable version f …], UBports does not support the old Canonical versions anymore.
 also please split up such long posts into multiple posts, as it can be very annoying for people on other chat platforms that are bridged to this one, and also makes it more difficult to reply to individual points
 iow, telegram is not a web forum/e-mail system :)
[15:16] <ubptgbot> harvey186 was added by: harvey186
 Can me someone tell how long the UBports installer will need for downloading file 3 of 3 ?
 As I understand from the latest Q&A, the Sony Xperia X is now a community supported device. Should it not be added to list in https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ ?
 Not done yet.
 oh
 Still needs some fixes for updating.
 okay thanks Dalton
 I can't wait to use ubports w/ xperia x!
 +1
 actually cant wait even less for the PinePhone but yeah :)
 why the pinephone rather than xperia x?
 i expect a lot of ppl from the UT community to run for the new devices as so many of our current devices are dying of age. I hear it everywhere
 @Christopher [why the pinephone rather than xperia x?], cause its mainline Linux! which is imho the future of Linux phones
 I have an xperia x "compact" and overall the nexus 5 is a smaller phone but if the port works on the compact, whiich from everything I've read it probably will...
 xperia x will becokme the newest not-big phone that will run ubports
 @Christopher [I have an xperia x "compact" and overall the nexus 5 is a smaller phone but if t …], If it doesnt work out the box, the changes needed for the compact will hopefully be minimal
 I found a youtube video of some guy who installed sailfish on the compact, even though sailfish only supports the full size xpera...
 and he said it worked without doing anything special
 cool. Maybe you could try loading an image of the current state of Alfreds version already then
 unless you need it as a daily driver
 I'd like to
 I actually got as far as installing twrp on it
 but I was confused about the next steps after that so decided to "do the rest later"
 but that was a few weeks ago
 The xperia x is a nice device, there are many others in the works as well, I myself am currently working on one, however the community devices like the xperia x will take a little longer to reach the installer
 The hope is 2 weeks, Im think realisticly 3 to 4
 Hmm, what are the requirements for a community device?
 One sec
 Fwd from mariogrip: about this, the device does not need to be anywhere near finished. only requirment is that it boots graphics and recovery has system-image enabled :) so pm if anyone want to try this
 that's awesome :)
 I have yet to play with recovery so my device wont be in that until I do, but thats all Marius has said about it
 Wasn't this about building the system image on CI?
 @hacker12455 [Wait you can use your device as a Bluetooth speaker?], Yep~
 How?
 @hacker12455 [Wasn't this about building the system image on CI?], Yeah, and thats used by the installer to get the images
 So basically to be listed in the installer you need the device bootable and the UT recovery working?
 Someone correct me if I'm misunderstanding it
 There isn't a process yet.
 Oh
 There's no need for a formal process, there aren't enough devices that are ready to do that
 So community devices that are gonna be listed on the page can have missing features?
 official devices have "missing features"
 Still I would need to fix sharing...
 And get apparmor working
 Plus media-hub
 These are pretty much the only issues
 (main ones)
 @fredldotme is working on media-hub issues with the ringtone
 am I? lol
 @Fuseteam [It work for sending? Hmmm], I am able to send audio to a dedicated Bluetooth music receiver that has input only.  I am not able to connect to bi-directional devices though.
[16:16] <ubptgbot> I_am_Tom was added by: I_am_Tom
 @fredldotme [am I? lol], Didn't you say that you were working on it?
 @hacker12455 [Didn't you say that you were working on it?], no, that's working for me
 If not that might be my late hour brain misremembering stuff
 Hmm
 Oh I'm dumb
 It was @stefanomelchior who mentioned the media-hub issue
 Fwd from stefanomelchior: in .cache/upstart I will find out that the media-hub can’t play the default sound to advise when an inbound call arriving, despite of sound working fine, on top of that I found out that vibration is inhibit by an error in permission of time_outer class in /sys
 Fwd from stefanomelchior: Still to be fixed both the issues
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 can't read .mp4 file
 nexus 5 can't play mp4 currently no
 @dohbee [nexus 5 can't play mp4 currently no], Ok
[18:57] <ubptgbot> MartianBold was added by: MartianBold
 What is about the Sony Xperia Z1 Compact port
 Because is was Not updated since 2016 or so But i think its simpler to Update a device Like this then porting News ones
 And maybe the Poco f1 will soon get Mainline Support do you think that could be a perfekt device
 The perfect device is the one you're working on
 Lol
 @ManuelBxxm [Because is was Not updated since 2016 or so But i think its simpler to Update a …], it was something Canonical was working on, and so it was dropped along with the rest of Canonial dropping the work, and iirc the work was not public, so not something UBports picked up for that specific case
 Ok
 Thanks
 Sadly i can't Help much because first i must understand more about OSs and bootloaders
 https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/106 - is it this?
[19:17] <gitbot> Halium issue 106 in projectmanagement " [device-port] [amami] Sony Xperia Z1 Compact" [Ports, Open]
[19:18] <ubptgbot> <Fabian L> I'm currently trying the Z5 compact
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/PhYdXxKi.png Right, then. Support for MMS groups was not all there.
 The group doesn't receive the first message, forwarding is broken, and the group name doesn't appear. But at least the group started.
 whee
 Six hours for a 29-byte change
 Development is great
 `install(CODE "do_thing()")` in CMake is awesome, btw
 Does anyone know if podbird is still actively maintained?
 afaik, the author of it is willing to review/merge PRs, but don't have time to actively develop it
[20:24] <ubptgbot> LEEPOT COOK was added by: LEEPOT COOK
[20:24] <ubptgbot> <LEEPOT COOK> zewfl
 Any good tablets supported
 Also can Firefox run on UBports
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io lists supported devices
 @thesynthwhosleeps [Also can Firefox run on UBports], there is not a touch friendly version of Firefox to run natively, no; it is possible to run the x11 version sort of in libertine, but it is not friendly for touch screens and has numerous issues
 @dohbee [there is not a touch friendly version of Firefox to run natively, no; it is poss …], Thanks
 On my note 4 the address bar doesnt work, and as a result it loads but doesnt actually work
[20:44] <wozencroft> Is here maybe someone using Matrix via fluffychat? How good is it working? Or how is it with the web-app?
 riot web does not have a responsive design, so it's not good on phone really
 fluffychat works pretty decently
[20:48] <wozencroft> dohbee: I see, thanks for the hints. If I recall it's only chat right now with fluffychat, no audio/videocalls (and tox is not working at all on ubports)
 right, no a/v calls yet, though it will have e2e encryption for private chats soon i think
[20:53] <wozencroft> Ok, that sounds good. I guess there is no Jami available on UBports yet.
 most things like that are problematic because they need something always running in the background and maintaining open connections to servers
 @thesynthwhosleeps [Also can Firefox run on UBports], you can run it in a Libertine container but it does not work well currently.
 @thesynthwhosleeps [Any good tablets supported], the only tablets supported now are Nexus 7 2013 (2nd generation) and the BQ M10.  The Pine64 PineTab should be released by the 1st quarter of 2020 and Ubuntu Touch support is planned for it.  https://pine64.org/pinetab
[20:59] <ubptgbot> Austin Bell was added by: Austin Bell
[21:02] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Some people have Arch linux work on the Google PixelC tablet. Would it be feasable to run Ubuntu Touch on it? https://github.com/pixelc-linux/documentation
 @Austin Bell [Some people have Arch linux work on the Google PixelC tablet. Would it be feasab …], The PixelC doesn't run Android, it runs ChromeOS, so no not really, I guess.
[21:03] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> It runs Android
 oh wait it does run android. so i guess sure, if you create a port for it
 @Austin Bell [Some people have Arch linux work on the Google PixelC tablet. Would it be feasab …], it would need to be ported and would be a very difficult device to do this for
 it is tegra so that might be problematic, but otherwise shouldn't be any more difficult to port than any other android
 that github seems to be about trying to mainline the device though, which is more in line with the goals of postmarketOS than with UT
[21:06] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> They apperntly got Ubuntu runiing on it at some point https://github.com/pixelc-linux/ubuntu-releases
 i guess there's a lineage 14.1 tree for it, so you could do a proper port of UT for it
 @Austin Bell [They apperntly got Ubuntu runiing on it at some point https://github.com/pixelc- …], UT runs on android kernel, we don't run mainline kernel on android devices
 and UT is also not a traditional linux distro
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Linage has a 15.1 channel for it https://download.lineageos.org/dragon
 we don't support android 8/9 yet, so you need a 7.1 build
 @dohbee [and UT is also not a traditional linux distro], is there really such a thing as "Traditional linux" though? :P
 It's either Mainline or Hybris
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Got ya
 @Gartral [is there really such a thing as "Traditional linux" though? :P], yes, everything you're used to running on your PC
 whether it's debs, rpms, or `make install` to `/usr`
 I mean, we're talking about a kernel.. the kernel doesn't really change. literally everything else is fluff and apps running on top of the kernel
 traditional insecure linux distros do not fit well the model of mobile devices, or security/privacy enforcement
 @Gartral [I mean, we're talking about a kernel.. the kernel doesn't really change. literal …], no, we're talking about distributions which are based around the linux kernel
 and yes, the kernel changes constantly
 which is why we're stuck with ancient kernels on most devices
 only devices where all drivers are available as open source can have latest kernel, for UT
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> The Pixel C uses the 3.18 Android kernel but the Arch port uses the 4.9 Kernel
 the arch "port" is irrelevant
[21:12] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Ok
 if you want to port UT you must use the android kernel and vendor/device tree, and since there is a lineageos already, there might be a cm-14.1 branch, which you could use
 if not, you'll need to start from scratch and base on the released device/vendor stuff from google and do more work than if there was a lineage 14.1 to start from
 or you could work on getting halium working on lineage 15 based devices, and start from there, but it's a lot of work
[21:16] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Im not a kernel dev or anything :p Google has abandoned the device so I am looking arounf trying to find a new OS for it and thought of UT since UT seems like a awsome thing
 several people have started porting devices without any knowledge of development really, let alone being a kernel developer
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Maybe Ill give it a shot. I thnk there is docs for poting and a live stream of porting somewhere.
 there are
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> 👍
 https://docs.halium.org
 and if you are going to attempt it, you will probably want to join https://t.me/halium
 @dohbee [if you want to port UT you must use the android kernel and vendor/device tree, a …], if he can get GPU acceleration on mainline, why not to use mainline way as with Pine*/Librem?
 @NotKit [if he can get GPU acceleration on mainline, why not to use mainline way as with …], because literally nothing else works?
 https://github.com/pixelc-linux/documentation#what-is-broken
 i mean, you can do so on nexus 5 too with the work postmarket has done, if you really want to, but several things don't work
 but given it's a difficult device to start with for Halium, hard to say which is better
 if they don't want to work on low level kernel reverse engineering stuff, then working on mainlining stuff is probably not the best route to go
 I agree here
 at least with halium, the hardware should pretty much all be usable. but a tablet on mainline with no power management, sensors, sound, etc, and broken charging, sounds like asking to waste your own time for no reason
 emmc doesn't even work fully :-/
 otherwise i'd just say run lineage on it, if one doesn't want to work on porting or mainlining (both of which are going to be a lot of work, and perhaps difficult, given it's tegra)
[21:36] <wozencroft> dohbee: "traditional insecure linux distros" - that sounds interesting. android did not seem to be more secure in general (especially with limited support time) than linux distros
[21:36] <ubptgbot> <Austin Bell> Right, Ill problay through lineage on there. If im be realistic I dont have lot of hours to through at it. You guys are doing good work and I hope to use a UT device sometime soon 😊
 @wozencroft [dohbee: "traditional insecure linux distros" - that sounds interesting. android …], there's more to security than just having updates available
[21:38] <wozencroft> It's interesting to notice though that canonical decided - back then - to go the android kernel way instead of focusing on a mainline linux phone
[21:39] <wozencroft> dohbee: True, yet real life tests do not reveal Average Joe's android systems to be especially secure - on the contrary.
 the goal wasn't to build hardware
 and since the funding campaign to actually build hardware didn't succeed, building any hardware at all was taken off the table, so we were left to partner with companies making android phones
[21:41] <wozencroft> Ah, yes, I can remember that. The goal was simply too high, unrealistic
 @wozencroft [dohbee: True, yet real life tests do not reveal Average Joe's android systems to …], you are misunderstanding, and assuming that average joe's linux is especially secure. just making a bunch of wild assumptions doesn't help either. and i wasn't talking about android anyway. i was talking about security and linux distributions
 and yes, a proper android install is more secure in many ways, than traditional linux distros on PCs
[22:01] <ubptgbot> Lirrums was added by: Lirrums
[22:48] <ubptgbot> VOGEL Daniele was added by: VOGEL Daniele
 Anyone got luck deploying wasm webapp locally?
 I tried with the click template but it can't be loaded via script tag...
 @Kiet [can't read .mp4 file], Take the UTmedia-app. It works.
 @dohbee [nexus 5 can't play mp4 currently no], Nexus5 can play mp4... with the UTmedia-app
 @Waldbursche [Nexus5 can play mp4... with the UTmedia-app], not hardware accelerated though
 @dohbee [not hardware accelerated though], agree


[20:59] <teward> ilvipero: or whomever on the Canonical Community Team exists, i need to borrow one of y'all for a bit


[00:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openjdk-13 [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [13~12-1] (no packageset)
[05:09] <vorlon> Laney, juliank: heads up that triggering autopkgtests through the web api doesn't seem to be working; I haven't dug into it, I'm only noticing while trying to give back some perl-triggered tests
[05:12] <vorlon> seems to be hanging talking to rabbit; trying to restart rabbit
[05:12] <vorlon> ok that looks better
[06:29] <ginggs> vorlon: the single python-scipy/1.2.1-0ubuntu1 test failure I see locally is definitely caused by matplotlib >= 3.0.0 - I want to upload 1.2.1-0ubuntu2 to switch back to gcc 8 on s390x, should I skip this test in the same upload?
[08:55] <LocutusOfBorg> oSoMoN, hello, did you receive my messages?
[08:55] <oSoMoN> LocutusOfBorg, good morning, I don't think so, when were they sent?
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> [15:06:28] <LocutusOfBorg> anybody with an s390x or a bigger knowledge can help understanding why thunderbird is sad on s390x? (I see update output complaining wrt testsuite), new binary there
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> [15:07:20] <LocutusOfBorg> trying: thunderbird
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> [15:07:20] <LocutusOfBorg> skipped: thunderbird (6, 3, 2)
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> [15:07:20] <LocutusOfBorg>     got: 35+0: a-7:a-5:a-5:i-5:p-4:s-9
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> [15:07:20] <LocutusOfBorg>     * s390x: thunderbird-testsuite
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> [15:38:17] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: thunderbird-testsuite depends on gnome-session which depends on gnome-shell which isn't available on s390x
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> [15:39:03] <jbicha> maybe we shouldn't build thunderbird-testsuite on s390x…
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> oSoMoN, I send them with /msg command, not sure if you can read them now...
[09:10] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway ^^
[09:10] <LocutusOfBorg> we shouldn't build thunderbird-testsuite on s390x because it can't be installed?
[09:11] <oSoMoN> LocutusOfBorg, thunderbird used to fail to build on s390x, but Rico recently worked out some patches that make the build succeed there
[09:11] <oSoMoN> that would explain why this started to fail
[09:15] <oSoMoN> that package appears to be mostly empty on s390x
[09:16] <oSoMoN> oh, not just there, actually
[09:16] <oSoMoN> I wonder if that package could simply be removed?
[09:16] <oSoMoN> let me check
[09:18] <oSoMoN> I see the following commit on 2015-08-17:
[09:18] <oSoMoN> * Disable all of the testsuite related patches and don't install anything
[09:18] <oSoMoN>   in to the testsuite package for now. The patches have all bit-rotted,
[09:18] <oSoMoN>   we're not running any tests and nobody is driving that anymore
[09:19] <oSoMoN> it looks like the package can safely be removed
[09:19] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, what do you think? ^
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openjdk-13 [amd64] (disco-proposed) [13~12-1]
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> oSoMoN, debian removed the testsuite package too
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> (not sure if they ever had it)
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> and no reverse-deps, so it should be safe to go
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg> please bump debci hint...
[10:03] <rbalint> seb128, juliank seb128: software-properties was a bit tricky because it could not be imported by git-remote-bzr to cross-check, but I committed the conversion script here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+git/bzr-git-mass-convert/+ref/master
[10:04] <rbalint> how about swithing it to git on wednesday?
[10:04] <rbalint> master branch only, since older branches are out of date
[10:11] <seb128> wfm
[10:18] <jbicha> vorlon: some packages went missing when they were promoted from disco-proposed: I noticed epiphany-browser, ruby-pkg-config, simple-scan
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted indicator-application [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [12.10.1+18.10.20190308.1-0ubuntu1]
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted indicator-application [sync] (bionic-proposed) [12.10.1+18.04.20190308.1-0ubuntu1]
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ggcov [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.9+20190314-0ubuntu0.3]
[13:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ggcov (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.9-20 => 0.9+20190314-0ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[13:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ggcov (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.9-21 => 0.9+20190314-0ubuntu0.3] (no packageset)
[14:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-17.18~18.04.1] (kernel)
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-17.18~18.04.1] (kernel)
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.18.0-17.18~18.04.1]
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [4.18.0-17.18~18.04.1]
[15:51] <seb128> sil2100, bug #1637988, I saw that you accepted gvfs without libnfs which means the gvfs-backends binary from main in the SRU depends on an universe library
[15:58] <infinity> seb128: What's the point of the no-change upload in the queue?
[15:58] <infinity> seb128: If the MIR is approved, we can just binary copy the one from release to updates and override it to main.
[15:58] <seb128> infinity, when I asked here last week someone replied that libnfs couldn't be moved from universe to main in the release pocket and such we needed an uplaod
[15:58] <seb128> ah
[15:59] <infinity> The first is true, the second is not.
[15:59] <seb128> then feel free to do that
[15:59] <seb128> k, makes sense
[15:59] <infinity> THe bug log implied the MIR was still in progress?
[15:59] <infinity> So, no, I don't feel free to do that.
[15:59] <seb128> which part?
[15:59] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnfs/+bug/1746598 was promoted in disco
[16:00] <infinity> YEs, and cosmic and disco have entirely different versions.  Committing to support from 3.0 onward doesn't retroactively apply to old ones.
[16:00] <infinity> As for "which part", comment #14 of the bug you poked sil2100 with. :P
[16:02] <seb128> ah, somewhat I did receive the email/see that comment
[16:03] <sil2100> seb128: yeah, as per my comment on the bug, I accepted cosmic prematurely, it wasn't supposed to be accepted
[16:03] <sil2100> seb128: since I was waiting for the MIR situation to be resolved
[16:03] <seb128> well, as long as nobody move it to updates by error
[16:03] <seb128> k
[16:03] <seb128> did you ping security about it?
[16:03] <infinity> Yeah, I'll reject the unnecessary rebuild from the queue.
[16:04] <sil2100> I poked the MIR team and I think slashd today reminded the security team about it
[16:04] <seb128> thx
[16:04] <seb128> k, good
[16:04] <infinity> And please, someone make sure that either 2.0 is MIRed for b/c, or if that fails, a solid argument for backporting 3.0 is made.
[16:04] <infinity> (The former preferred)
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.02+dfsg1-5ubuntu8.2 => 2.02+dfsg1-5ubuntu8.3] (core)
[16:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected libnfs [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.0-1~exp1ubuntu1]
[16:06] <infinity> Oh, 3.0 adds NFSv4 support. :/
[16:07] <infinity> If the argument for using libnfs in gvfs is wider interop, missing v4 kinda sucks.
[16:07] <infinity> But I guess it's better than no NFS at all.
[16:07] <infinity> And people who still run Solaris are probably used to living in the past.
[16:29] <vorlon> jbicha: missing packages> do you want to feed me version numbers or point to the log where they went missing?
[16:41] <seb128> vorlon, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epiphany-browser/+publishinghistory for example?
[16:42] <seb128>  	3.32.0-1ubuntu1 was
[16:42] <seb128> Deleted on 2019-03-15 by Ubuntu Archive Robot
[16:42] <seb128> moved to release
[16:42] <seb128> but never made it there
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-47.50~16.04.1] (kernel)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-47.50~16.04.1] (kernel)
[17:34] <vorlon> seb128, jbicha: copied for the 3 packages mentioned
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Had a chance to look at carla yet?
[17:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8.12 => 2.02-2ubuntu8.13] (core)
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-47.50~16.04.1]
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-hwe [ppc64el] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-47.50~16.04.1]
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.110.2 => 1.110.3] (core)
[18:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (bionic-proposed/main) [1.93.13 => 1.93.14] (core)
[18:50] <slashd> sil2100, infinity : security team suggest to upgrade libnfs from 2.0.0 to 3.0.0 in B/C due to sec issues and nasty bugs. Wearing your SRU hat, would you be okay with the proposition before any work start in that regard ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnfs/+bug/1746598
[18:50] <slashd> 2.0.0 as-is will most likely be NACK by security team at first glance.
[18:51] <slashd> seb128, ^ fyi
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-1014.14] (kernel)
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [4.18.0-1008.9] (kernel)
[19:21] <seb128> slashd, thx
[19:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-mate-artwork [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [19.04.0] (ubuntu-mate)
[20:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-1.6 (trusty-security/main) [1.6-0ubuntu1~14.04 => 1.6-0ubuntu1~14.04] (no packageset) (sync)
[20:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-1.6 (trusty-updates/main) [1.6-0ubuntu1~14.04 => 1.6-0ubuntu1~14.04] (no packageset) (sync)
[20:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-1.6 [sync] (trusty-security) [1.6-0ubuntu1~14.04]
[20:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-1.6 [sync] (trusty-updates) [1.6-0ubuntu1~14.04]
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: pdfchain (disco-proposed/primary) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[20:25] <seb128> Could someone review ffe bug #1820259? It should basically be a no-op for disco since livepatch isn't used in that serie, but it's a pre-requirement for the bionic SRU
[20:27] <coreycb> hello, can an archive admin take a look at masakari-monitors in the disco NEW queue?
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected pdfchain [sync] (disco-proposed) [1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-mate-artwork [amd64] (disco-proposed) [19.04.0]


[00:11] <blackflow> sarnold: you showoff :) triple mirror stripes for volatile (easily replaceable) data! :)
[00:12] <sarnold> blackflow: well, the intention is to some day power on the big stack of hard drives that have music and photos and consolidate decades of stuff into one place
[00:13] <sarnold> blackflow: funny thing is, now that there's special vdevs, I've got a vague feeling of replacing both my pools. currently 3-three way mirrors on one, 2-two way SSDs on the other... a 9-drive raidz3 plus two mirrored special vdevs from the ssds...
[00:14]  * blackflow faints
[00:15] <blackflow> I never found any need to go beyond any-2 failure margin of a raidz2. once, in past 10 years, I had one two-disk mirror fail when the other drive failed mid-resilvering of the replacement for the first one.
[00:15] <sarnold> juggling two pools is slightly annoying, and Big Files are probably fast enough from a raidz3 vdev .. metadata and smaller files from the ssds..
[06:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:40] <ZZlatev> Hey guys
[08:50] <jamespage> sahid, coreycb: I've added openstack notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes
[08:50] <jamespage> we should make sure we keep doing that
[08:52] <sahid> jamespage: ack
[08:53] <jamespage> sahid: also prepped a release email for the UCA which I shared with your and coreycb - pending a successfull smoke I'm running will send that shortly!
[08:56] <sahid> jamespage: ok i'm reviewing it right now
[09:00] <sahid> jamespage: ack for me thanks for it
[09:00] <jamespage> np
[09:00] <jamespage> its a bit of a copy/paste/search/replace exercise
[09:00] <jamespage> but useful non-the-less
[09:01] <sahid> :)
[13:57] <shubjero> You have to download a total of 416 M. This download will take about
[13:57] <shubjero> 52 minutes with a 1Mbit DSL connection and about 16 hours with a 56k
[13:57] <shubjero> modem.
[13:57] <shubjero> Still providing estimates using 56k modem :)
[13:58] <shubjero> (do-release-upgrade for 16.04 > 18.04)
[14:01] <tomreyn> there is IoT
[14:02] <blackflow> Soon bases on the moon, the BDP there will kill! jumbo frames ftw.
[14:04] <shubjero> PING moon (moon): 56 data bytes
[14:04] <shubjero> 64 bytes from moon: icmp_seq=0 ttl=122 time=2.849 s
[14:04] <shubjero> 64 bytes from moon: icmp_seq=1 ttl=122 time=2.995 s
[14:04] <shubjero> 64 bytes from moon: icmp_seq=2 ttl=122 time=2.933 s
[14:04] <shubjero> "low ping bastard!"
[14:05] <blackflow> uhm.... moon will be ipv6 only. so yeah, fake ping output! busted!
[14:15] <shubjero> https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/17/18411843/uk-porn-block-delayed-start-date-july-15th
[14:16] <shubjero> well thats interesting
[14:16] <shubjero> anyways
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> shubjero: please keep offtopic chat in other channels, like #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:18] <shubjero> yeah not gonna lie that was a wrong-window paste
[14:18] <shubjero> my apologies
[14:46] <adac> guys on one of my server I have this file
[14:46] <adac>  /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tcp_be_liberal
[14:46] <adac> on the other however not
[14:47] <adac> where is this coming from which package? How can I create it?
[14:50] <sdeziel> adac: the kernel or one of the modules create it
[14:50] <tomreyn> adac: this is not a file, it is just presented as such. read the sysctl man page.
[14:50] <adac> ok thanks
[14:51] <adac> would need to know how this is being ativated this module
[14:51] <sdeziel> adac: I'd guess nf_conntrack_ipv4 or nf_conntrack_ipv6
[14:51] <sdeziel> or maybe the generic one nf_conntrack.
[14:52] <adac> I try to execute this ansible task due to some kernel issues with ufw
[14:52] <adac> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/45446
[14:52] <adac> but the file is not found
[14:52] <adac> So that emans the module is not enabled
[14:52] <tomreyn> documentation on this setting https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/nf_conntrack-sysctl.txt
[14:53] <adac> makes me just wonder why on my other server it is enabled
[14:53] <adac> maybe ufw with some command enables it
[14:53] <sdeziel> (those are the modules I load to get a different but related sysctl key: net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_tcp_loose)
[14:54] <tomreyn> sdeziel: copy / paste bug?
[14:55] <adac>  tomreyn sdeziel how can I activate this modul?
[14:55] <tomreyn> adac: that's a possible explanation. compare the 'lsmod' output of both systems
[14:55] <sdeziel> tomreyn: no but maybe I wasn't clear. I'm trying to explain that I load nf_conntrack_ipv4 & nf_conntrack_ipv6 so that I have those proc files (also available as sysctl keys)
[14:55] <sdeziel> adac: you can add those to /etc/modules-load.d/nf-conntrack.conf
[14:55] <tomreyn> sdeziel: oh, yes, i misunderstood.
[14:55] <sdeziel> adac: this will have them loaded on boot
[14:56] <adac> would this only temporary enable it?
[14:56] <adac> https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/45446#issuecomment-467829815
[14:56] <sdeziel> adac: no, that would be permanent for the module load
[14:56] <adac> sdeziel, ok thanks
[14:57] <sdeziel> adac: the manual module loading is to make the sysctl command work reliably
[14:57] <adac> sdeziel, guess this ansible module would work
[14:57] <adac> https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/modules/modprobe_module.html
[14:57] <adac> to enable the module in first plance
[14:57] <sdeziel> adac: normally the conntrack modules are loaded on demand based on your ip{,6}tables rules
[14:58] <adac> sdeziel, yes but that only happens later in time when ufw is setup
[14:58] <sdeziel> adac: but sometimes this on demand loading is too late for the sysctl to happen reliably
[14:58] <adac> I need to do this first
[14:58] <sdeziel> adac: hehe, I ran into the same issue and my workaround was to manually load the modules on boot
[14:59] <adac> So mayb i can via ansible just enable the module, then enable this liberal tcp thingy
[14:59] <sdeziel> (gee, took me way to many words to explain that one... sorry not fully awake it seems)
[14:59] <adac> and then do the ufw stuff
[14:59] <adac> sdeziel, welcome to the club :)
[15:00] <sdeziel> adac: IIRC TCP liberal is for when you want to accept an ongoing connection you see for the first time. In otherwords it removes some of the stateful checks
[15:01] <sdeziel> adac: have you tried "iptables -I INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" as a workaround instead?
[15:01] <adac> sdeziel, I need it beause of this issue: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/45446
[15:02] <adac> sdeziel, would that be better option?
[15:02] <adac> mean your workaround?
[15:05] <sdeziel> adac: dunno, it looks like the connection states are reset so possibly my workaround wouldn't work.
[15:06] <adac> sdeziel, for me the question is simply also what are the effects of setting this liberal TCP thingy
[15:06] <sdeziel> adac: if it was my machine though, I'd probably do the TCP liberal thing before and undo it after, assuming you have that flexibility with ansible
[15:06] <adac> on ohter connections
[15:06] <adac> ok that sounds good yes
[15:06] <sdeziel> adac: that's where tomreyn's link becomes handy, look at what it says under nf_conntrack_tcp_be_liberal
[15:07] <adac> sdeziel, hmm loading the module does not automagically create this "file"
[15:08] <adac> is this the module nf_conntrack or is this a own module as well: nf_conntrack_tcp_be_liberal
[15:08] <sdeziel> adac: hmm, I'm assuming that you checked "lsmod | grep nf_conntrack" ?
[15:08] <adac> the latter should be a variable right?
[15:08] <sdeziel> more or less yes
[15:09] <sdeziel> it's a pseudo file under /proc and is also available as a sysctl key
[15:10] <adac> sdeziel, this is what ufw enable or a similar command enables:
[15:10] <adac> https://pastebin.com/MDzNvWy6
[15:10] <sdeziel> adac: I'll try to reproduce on a local VM
[15:13] <adac> sdeziel, kk thanks
[15:14] <sdeziel> adac: so loading nf_conntrack_ipv4 is what created /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tcp_be_liberal
[15:15] <adac> sdeziel, ohh thanks so much!!
[15:16] <sdeziel> adac: np
[15:17] <adac> sdeziel, i will set this to 0 again after the ansible task is finshed
[15:17] <adac> thank you as well for this good advise
[15:34] <paulatx> anybody happen to know how long the Ubuntu 16.04 EC2 images (https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/) that use the AWS specific kernel will support new hardware? The first graphic on this page: https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle makes it look like hardware support has already stopped for 16.04 but I'm not sure if that also applies to the AWS specific kernels which are based off of the 4.4.0 GA kernel and not the 4.
[15:34] <paulatx> I'm trying to figure out when the support for new hardware will stop on those AWS tuned kernels.  I spoke with tomreyn yesterday about this and he said I should try again today during UK business hours
[16:34] <tomreyn> paulatx: it looks like you hit the late part of this day (very understandable if you're on the U.S. west coast). maybe we can try together to get a clearer picture. by the way, i'm just a volunteer here, don't work for canonical or anything.
[16:35] <tomreyn> paulatx: also, i assume commercial support is available for those EC2 instances also, if you need a fully reliable response to this question.
[16:37] <tomreyn> i run only 'standard' (non EC2) ubuntu installations myself (including 16.04 LTS) but those should be similar to EC2 instances apart from the kernel and some of the packages installed by default.
[16:38] <tomreyn> i see that there is a linux-image-aws package available in 'xenial' (16.04 LTS), currently at version <IP_ADDRESS>9.82
[16:39] <rbasak> paulatx: what do you mean by new hardware in the context of EC2? New virtual hardware?
[16:39] <tomreyn> in ubuntu 18.04 LTS, there is also this package (currently version <IP_ADDRESS>5.34) as well as a linux-image-aws-edge package (in case one would need to use the very latest hardware, mostly for testing purposes, currently at version <IP_ADDRESS>2.11, and in the community supported 'universe' section)
[16:39] <sarnold> paulatx: there's an #ubuntu-kernel channel that may have more folks specifically aware of hardware support on amazon clouds
[16:40] <rbasak> In general, hardware enablement, which includes virtual hardware in the case of EC2, is permitted until end of standard support, which for 16.04 is April 2021. However I don't know of specific intentions in the case of these particular images.
[16:42] <paulatx> sarnold: ahh it sounds like #ubuntu-kernel is where I should be asking.. they may have a better pulse on what the deal is with support of the AWS specific kernels/images
[16:42] <rbasak> rcj: would you know the answer to paulatx's question above please? I don't see fginther or gaughen in here.
[16:42] <tomreyn> paulatx: can you discuss the use case? based on your hostname, i assume this may be graphics hardware related?
[16:44] <paulatx> tomreyn: the quick and dirty is that AWS is always announcing new hardware so we want to know how long the Ubuntu maintained 16.04 LTS EC2 images will support new hardware.  If they will support new h/w through April 2021 then we may put off upgrading to 18.04 LTS but if support for new h/w ends sooner then we will upgrade sooner
[16:45] <tomreyn> thanks.
[16:47] <rcj> rbasak: thanks for the ping.  I'm
[16:48] <rcj> rbasak: thanks for the ping.  I'm seeing who from the kernel team is here to answer that completely (rather than bumping paulatx to #ubuntu-kernel)
[16:50] <paulatx> rcj: thanks
[16:52] <rcj> The short answer is that the linux-aws custom kernel was created to allow for AWS specific tuning and for new AWS instance/feature support that would not be possible with the generic kernel.
[16:59] <paulatx> rcj: right.. so are there details somewhere on the support / lifespan for the linux-aws custom kernel?
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> fresh from the press: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2019/04/17/ubuntu-server-development-summary-16-april-2019
[17:04] <bjf> rcj, paulatx, what's up?
[17:05] <teward> assuming rcj summoned you, bjf, questions re: linux-aws custom kernel.  trying to find the exact original question in the scrollback though.
[17:05] <teward> ah here it is.
[17:06] <teward> bjf: sent you a small number of lines in PM of the original question :P
[17:06] <bjf> teward, got them
[17:06] <bjf> teward, so .. in general we don't backport new support for new HW back to earlier releases
[17:06] <teward> paulatx: ^
[17:06] <bjf> teward, however
[17:06] <teward> bjf: mishighlight, targets -> paulatx :)
[17:06] <teward> i'm just helping :)
[17:07] <bjf> teward, paulatx, however if Amazon asks us for specific support and that support isn't too intrusive (low risk of regressions) then we will do it
[17:08] <bjf> teward, paulatx, it's not a simple rule .. in general, the idea with an LTS every 2 years is that you have time to plan for your upgrade
[17:09] <paulatx> bjf: interesting.. ok.  So it sounds like the new hardware support essentially boils down to how hard it will be to add support for the h/w, if it is simple it will be added and if level of effort / risk is high then no dice
[17:10] <bjf> paulatx, yes, that's basically it
[17:11] <bjf> paulatx, if you are a Canonical customer then you can raise your specific request through our support org. otherwise you can create a launchpad bug and point us at it and we will look at it
[17:12] <paulatx> bjf: no I think this answers my question, thank you very much.  Sorry for pulling in so many people.. didn't realize this was going to be a hard question to answer!  :)
[17:13] <sarnold> part of the beauty of aws is not caring much about the hardware :)
[17:13] <bjf> paulatx, no problem
[17:14] <blackflow> I don't know how anyone can use public clouds/VMs in the post-Meltre (Meltdown+Spectre) world.
[17:14] <sarnold> meltre :D
[17:15] <blackflow> mmmh-hmm. :)
[17:16] <blackflow> I stopped using them after I saw with my own five eyes, cross-VM ssh pubkey injection via rowhammer and non-ECC host side RAM. yes, 'sright, one VM injecting ssh keys into another's memory.
[17:16] <paulatx> sarnold: haha.. but when they come out with <insert cool new tech here> that is AWS specific and you can only take full advantage if you have kernel support then we have to care
[17:16] <blackflow> I haven't yet seen personally Meltre exploited like that in public clouds, but I've heard stories.
[17:17] <paulatx> anyway, thanks for the help everyone
[17:17] <sarnold> blackflow: wow. crazy. it feels almost criminal that They still sell non-ecc ram on new machines. (Lookin at you intel.)
[17:17] <blackflow> well all hetzner's non-enterprise baremetals are non-ECC and they're used a lot by the eastern bloc for VMs and games.
[17:18] <sarnold> I hadn't heard that about hetzner before :(
[17:18] <blackflow> I've seen a few offers at lowendtalk dot com that were non-ECC too
[17:18] <blackflow> sarnold: their entire EX line, the oldest, is non-ECC corei7 https://www.hetzner.de/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ex
[17:19] <blackflow> only with PX they started offering ECC
[17:23] <sarnold> blackflow: seems silly to have dual nvme in those things but no ecc
[17:25] <blackflow> they're aimed at companies offering cheap shared hosting and VMs, and for games.
[20:22] <DammitJim> man, I have to say that I am very happy with Canonical support
[20:27] <OerHeks> :-)


[05:30] <penko> hi.  on my lubuntu i can`t install flash player. i mean that i install it, but it doesn`t work...
[05:42] <penko_> hi.  on my lubuntu i can`t install flash player. i mean that i install it, but it doesn`t work...
[05:48] <hateball> penko: In what browser?
[05:49] <hateball> penko: And how did you install it?
[05:52] <penko> in firefox.  chrome doesn`t start
[05:52] <penko> i try to download from adobe.com then copy libflash***.so to different places - no luck
[05:53] <penko> also try to install from synaptic flashplayer-installer. again doesn`t work
[05:53] <penko> also try to install pepperflash*** - again doesn`t work
[05:54] <penko> also i try with restricted extras/addons and this also doesn`t work :)
[05:56] <penko> hateball , is it possible  newest flash player to have bug?
[06:25] <hateball> penko: well for one, pepperflash only works with chrome/ium
[06:26] <hateball> penko: what are "different places" ? :)
[06:26] <hateball> penko: For Firefox, you will want libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[06:33] <penko> i copy it to   usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/libflashplayer.so   /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so   and create this  /home/penko/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[06:33] <penko> but clips in youtube doesn`t work
[06:33] <penko> machine is amd sempron 2500+ (work on 1,7), 1gb ram and radeon 9200 video card
[06:33] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you can switch youtube to html5 plauer
[06:34] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *player
[06:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> for me, 14.04 + firefox and adobe flash from repos work fine
[06:40] <hateball> penko: about:plugins
[06:40] <hateball> penko: does that show flash at all?
[06:40] <hateball> Switching to HTML5 is good, but sadly not all things have upgraded away from Flash yet
[06:40] <penko>     File: libflashplayer.so   Path: /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so    Version: <IP_ADDRESS>0 State: Enabled  Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
[06:41] <penko> but for me doesn`t work
[06:41] <penko> it is possible to don`t work because of old machine?
[06:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> penko: my http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/inspn/topics/en/landing_inspn_1501?c=us
[06:43] <hyperair> what do you mean "doesn't work"?
[06:43] <penko> did i need to install jplayer?
[06:43] <penko> can`t open clip in youtube
[06:43] <hyperair> what happens when you try?
[06:43] <hyperair> "doesn't work" and "can't open clip" aren't very specific
[06:43] <hyperair> does firefox crash?
[06:43] <hyperair> does it hang?
[06:43] <hyperair> what about chrome?
[06:44] <penko> i don`t use laptop. it is old desktop computer :)
[06:44] <hyperair> and if it doesn't, what do you see instead?
[06:44] <hyperair> i don't care if it's a laptop or computer
[06:44] <hyperair> just tell me what you see
[06:44] <penko> firefox doesn`t crash.  only gray windows where must be video
[06:45] <penko> chrome has problem. it give me system program problem detected :)
[06:45] <hyperair> that's a crash
[06:45] <hyperair> does the entire firefox window turn gray?
[06:45] <hyperair> or only the rectangular part where the video is?
[06:46] <penko> https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player.html   when i click on check now it show that i have flashplayer...
[06:46] <JohnDoe_71Rus> penko: i mean my mashine old to
[06:46] <penko> only where video is
[06:47] <hyperair> okay
[06:47] <penko> what program to install to can paste in it printscreen? i install xpaint but it is unusable :)
[06:47] <Unit193> scrot is installed.
[06:47] <hyperair> gnome-screenshot works
[06:47] <hyperair> or shutter
[06:47] <penko> thank you
[06:47] <hyperair> scrot works too, but you need to use the termianl for that
[06:48] <hyperair> can the gray area be right clicked?
[06:49] <penko> no. outside it i can right klick
[06:50] <hyperair> oaky, it really isn't working
[06:50] <hyperair> you said it's an old computer. are you using the 32-bit build of lubuntu then?
[06:51] <penko> yes. 32 bit
[06:51] <Unit193> I don't think it'd be the issue I'm thinking, but can you paste  xdpyinfo | grep root  ?
[06:51] <penko>  root window id:    0x106   depth of root window:    24 planes
[06:52] <hyperair> Unit193: what issue are you thinking?
[06:52] <penko> btw console is strange. i can`t copy from it :(   i add  >> /home/penko/11.txt and copy form there :)
[06:52] <Unit193> hyperair: Well, this isn't it.  Flash handles >24bit very poorly.
[06:53] <penko> computer is sempron 2500+, 1gb ram and video radeon 9200 pro :)
[06:53] <hyperair> Unit193: there's > 24bit?
[06:53] <hateball> penko: ctrl+shift+c to copy in terminal
[06:53] <hyperair> Unit193: is that supposed to be with alpha channel, or what?
[06:53] <penko> thank you.
[06:54] <Unit193> hyperair: The intel driver dev set it to that for gen2 devices as they're supposed to "preform" better, turns out some applications handle it quite badly.  Not sure why it breaks, sorry.
[06:54] <hyperair> Unit193: hmm, what's classified under gen2?
[06:54] <hyperair> i'm on an ivb, i don't see a figure > 24 there
[06:55] <hyperair> penko: have you installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree?
[06:56] <hyperair> penko: if you have, could you open chromium and look for the flash plugin in chrome://plugins?
[06:56] <penko> yes.
[06:56] <penko> chromium doesn`t start :P
[06:56] <hyperair> uh
[06:56] <penko> system program problem detected :)
[06:57]  * hyperair groans
[06:57] <penko> doesn`t start if i install it from package or from synaptic...
[06:58] <Unit193> hyperair: It's been changed back in VCS, and I don't know exactly, older stuff for sure.
[06:58] <penko> to complete remove gnas, pepper and flashplugin-installer?
[06:58] <hyperair> oh
[06:59] <hyperair> penko: er yeah try removing everything and seeing if chromium starts
[06:59] <hyperair> i don't think it should be related...
[06:59] <hyperair> i haven't heard of any crash-at-startup bugs with chrome
[07:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> penko: try find adobe-flashplugin
[07:00] <penko> in synaptic?
[07:02] <penko> wow. mozilla and youtube say that i need to install flash player but play video with all removed :)
[07:02] <JohnDoe_71Rus> activate additional repos cannonical
[07:03] <penko> crome also work
[07:03] <penko> and play video
[07:03] <hyperair> that's html5 video for you
[07:03] <penko> may be is better to don`t install anythong? now it work...
[07:04] <hyperair> flash is an outgoing technology, but unfortunately too many websites still use flash.
[07:04] <hyperair> some videos don't work without flash
[07:04] <hyperair> most videos do
[07:04] <hyperair> i'm not sure which videos though
[07:04] <penko> so, most sites will upgrade from flash to html5?
[07:04] <hyperair> no
[07:04] <hyperair> youtube only
[07:05] <hyperair> as time goes by, less and less websites will use flash though
[07:05] <penko> and other will continue using heavy (for old machines) flash?
[07:05] <hyperair> nah, most new websites don't use flash any more
[07:05] <hyperair> old websites just die out eventually
[07:05] <penko> is html5 light?
[07:05] <hyperair> lighter than flash, yeah
[07:05] <hateball> In itself, but it depends on the content it serves
[07:06] <hyperair> i don't think you'll find any flash implementation more lightweight than its corresponding html5 implementation
[07:06] <penko> it is enough to be lighter than flash :)
[07:06] <hyperair> html5 is just a new version of the html standard, which all webpages are rendered in
[07:07] <penko> uh. other video say that i need flash or html5 :(
[07:07] <hyperair> yeah, see. some videos don't work with html5 =\
[07:07] <hateball> penko: For youtube, make sure you browse to http://www.youtube.com/html5 and enable it
[07:07] <penko> to have flash or my browser to support html5
[07:07] <hyperair> hateball: even then i've encountered some youtube videos that refused to render with flash disabled
[07:08] <hyperair> the firefox version in lubuntu is new enough to have pretty complete support of html5
[07:08] <hateball> hyperair: I know, just saying
[07:09] <penko> ok. but it offer me to download chrome. i have chrome!???!?
[07:10] <penko> from firefox  vbox7.com doesn`t display videos. youtube display it, but vbox - don`t!
[07:10] <penko> to install only 1 package? flashplayer-installer?
[07:10] <penko> or to copy libflashplayer.so to *****
[07:14] <hateball> penko: use the installer from repo
[07:15] <penko> what does it mean?
[07:17] <hateball> penko: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[07:17] <penko> thanks. is it the same if i install it via synaptic?
[07:21] <penko> i do this, but now chrome try to freeze. i mean when i start clip and then try to write other address in address bar i can`t do this.
[07:21] <penko> mozilla doesn`t open videos in vbox
[07:22] <penko> in firefox youtube work
[07:23] <JohnDoe_71Rus> chrome use self flash plugin. they may be conflicted
[07:24] <penko> to remove flashplugin-installer and try with pepper?
[07:24] <penko> or to copy flashplugin only in mozilla dir?
[07:24] <penko> or to copy libflashplugin.so only in mozilla dir?
[07:29] <hateball> penko: Does chrome freeze immediately on startup or just once you start playing a video?
[07:30] <hateball> penko: If it is ok on startup, you can go into about:plugins and just deactivate adobe flash
[07:30] <penko> i open something and after this it is impossible to change address in address bar
[07:30] <penko> in chrome://plugins there is only  Chromoting Viewer
[07:31] <hateball> heh
[07:32] <penko> now i have opened chrome:plugins.  go to address bar and select all (double click) but when i start typing some site it doesn`t act
[07:52] <penko> also did i need to remove this   http://i61.tinypic.com/wvzcjc.png
[07:54] <hateball> penko: No
[08:13] <penko> ok. what to do to have working firefox and chrome in vbox, yuotube and other sites?
[10:18] <leszek> hi
[12:47] <YesItsMe> hi
[12:47] <YesItsMe> I have a shell bash I want to be autostarted when i start lubuntu 14.04
[12:47] <YesItsMe> I cant find the solution :(
[12:48] <YesItsMe> /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf does not exist in lubuntu 14.04
[13:27] <krytarik> YesItsMe: Have a look at this thread to get a good idea how things are right now with LightDM's config: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2205637
[13:34] <YesItsMe> krytarik: tnx
[13:36] <krytarik> YesItsMe: As for your other topic, we'd need more details though, I guess. :)
[16:52] <sentriz> does lubuntu/ubuntu have a keyboard shortcut for system settings/display settings? (can see barely anything on screen and the resolution is wrong)
[16:54] <leszek> alt+f2 and then type in lxrandr and enter
[16:57] <sentriz> nice one, thanks leszek. :)
[17:38] <wxl> hey you guys (said like chunk) is there an apt-cachey way to check on a package's recomments and suggests?
[17:39] <krytarik> wxl: "apt-cache show <package>"
[17:39] <wxl> krytarik: oh, duh, yeah
[17:40] <krytarik> lol
[18:32] <silverlion> o/
[22:00] <TaiSHi> Whenever I lock the computer, lock/login screen keymap is en_US, how can I change this? (system-wide layout is es_ES)
[22:09] <adm> need help getting the wireless card on hp pavilion to work
[22:09] <Unit193> What chip?
[22:12] <adm> not sure thank it is 4318
[22:15] <adm> bcm 4318
[22:16] <Unit193> !bcm
[22:16] <Unit193> Have one of those, not too bad.
[22:23] <TaiSHi> Anyone else had issues with nm wifi on 14.04 ?
[22:23] <TaiSHi> If I try to connect to a network, it asks for password but then it (disables?) the wlan
[22:23] <TaiSHi> If I configure the SSID manually it works like a charm
[23:56] <adm> ok i installed the b43 driver on my hp pavilion dv 5000 using lubutu the new version but it will not recognize the wireless card any help would be great
[23:59] <adm> *lubuntu 14.04