[13:43] <mario_26> bonjour !
[16:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: So we are going to need some Wiki Admin Rights for myself and others working on the Doc Onboarding if possible.
[16:36]  * bkerensa is not sure who has access to add people
[16:37] <pleia2> bkerensa: probably, I'd start a thread on the mailing list about that specifically
[16:37] <pleia2> bkerensa: I think historically we've sent "applications" to the mailing list to become wiki admins, then people comment on your qualifications
[16:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah so there is already one open
[16:38] <bkerensa> but my understanding is the person who added them previously
[16:38] <pleia2> oh, I should catch up on my email
[16:38] <bkerensa> is no longer around
[16:39] <bkerensa> Phil used to have access
[16:39] <bkerensa> but is now saying something about not having it
[16:39] <bkerensa> :)
[16:39] <pleia2> he's an admin, but I think regular admins can't add people
[16:39] <pleia2> probably a ticket to Canonical IS is required
[16:40] <pleia2> the CC can add people to the launchpad team, but we have absolutely nothing to do with the wiki
[16:41] <pleia2> Canonical IS can look up who is admin on it, since you're an admin of the doc team in LP they should listen to your authorityness :) (can Cc: me on the ticket if you're worried)
[16:53] <bkerensa> pleia2: I just assign it to the Portland Canoni IS guy :p
[16:53] <pleia2> hah :)
[16:53] <pleia2> whatever works!


[09:23] <ub1> u
[10:35] <bechier> hi
[17:00] <bechier> hi
[17:01] <bechier> can some one help me
[17:04] <bechier> i loaded ubuntu on my pc my monitor goes to sleep
[22:23] <tomahawks_> hello
[22:23] <tomahawks_> is here anyone to help me?
[22:23] <tomahawks_> :)
[22:26] <phillw> !ask | tomahawks_
[22:26] <ubot2> tomahawks_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[22:27] <surbs> !patience
[22:27] <ubot2> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[22:28] <tomahawks_> i cant access to my server from my win7.
[22:28] <tomahawks_> what should i do ?
[22:29] <tomahawks_> everthing i guess is installed and i checked via webmin that apache is working
[22:33] <tomahawks_> i can ping to my ubuntu but ubuntu cant ping to my computer
[22:36] <phillw> tomahawks_: can it ping else where, e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:37] <tomahawks_> yeah google example
[22:37] <tomahawks_> so network out works great
[22:37] <tomahawks_> but inside doesnt
[22:37] <phillw> as does network in.
[22:37] <phillw> is the issue being able to contact the ubuntu system from windows?
[22:37] <tomahawks_> i changed to my router to switch didnt help
[22:37] <tomahawks_> yea
[22:38] <tomahawks_> i can connect to shared folders
[22:38] <tomahawks_> win7 -> ubuntu
[22:38] <tomahawks_> but thats all
[22:38] <tomahawks_> usin //xxxx/downloads example
[22:39] <phillw> as the ubuntu system is working, it may be that the windows machine does not have the ability to pinged, most likely by it either not having the program, or it being blocked by a fire-wall.
[22:39] <tomahawks_> so how to fix that ?
[22:39] <tomahawks_> can it be my firewall?
[22:39] <tomahawks_> maybe add access to my ubuntu ip ?
[22:40] <phillw> tomahawks_: I'm no expert of windows, I suggest you try google, my 1st hit was http://superuser.com/questions/189914/linux-windows-7-network-cant-ping-linux-box-using-hostname
[22:41] <tomahawks_> i have googled last 5hours then i find this irc :D
[22:41] <phillw> you may also ask on the ubuntu forum area at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336
[22:43] <phillw> As I don't have, and I do not think many do on this area a win7 installation, that area may well be the better option to ask on.
[22:43] <tomahawks_> how do i make a topiv ?
[22:43] <tomahawks_> topic_
[22:44] <tomahawks_> hmm. i mean i have using my win7 but i just installed to ubuntu to another computer using it home server.
[22:45] <phillw> tomahawks_: once you are signed up, you simply ask a topic.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForums has the details of how to register and ask questions along with other helpful stuff.
[22:50] <phillw> tomahawks_: also, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/access-linux-from-windows-xp-system/ may be of help. It seems to cover things quite well, but I can not really say about it, as I don't have a win 7 system that I'm trying to connect.
[23:31] <Bodsda> evenin all
[23:36] <surbs> harrow dhere =)


[07:49] <Galaxy> Hallo
[07:49] <Galaxy> Viele leute hier
[07:59] <nocomp> morning
[08:30] <nlsthzn> test from mx4 web app
[08:31] <nlsthzn> seems OK enough for quick usage...
[08:32] <nlsthzn> Cheers
[09:37] <nlsthzn> bluetooth keyboards supposed to work yet (latest stable)?  paired fine, added passcode from keyboard no problem but after that no inputs from keyboard are doing anything in any text boxes, just the onscreen keyboard?
[11:26] <NymeriaFr> hello guys
[11:27] <NymeriaFr> can someone help me with my ubuntu app ?
[12:06] <praxy> hi my e5 hd is stuck on rotating ubuntu logo while doing a factory reset. it just keeps going, until battery is empty. looking for some help here. what I can still do: volup+power still resets the device, holding volup doesn't bring the boot menu though. On the screen with the rotating ubuntu logo I can press volume up and it'll bring a dark overlay and stop the logo from spinning. but no other options there. Ideas? I need some new angles to
[12:32] <mcphail> praxy: big logo or small logo?
[12:35] <praxy> mcphail: like this https://lut.im/IKLt47ei/PjuP6QpE
[12:35] <praxy> overexposed but you get the picture
[12:35] <praxy> there's also that thin line beneath it
[12:36] <mcphail> praxy: so. if you hold power button and up volume for a very long time, then release the power button (but hold the volume) when the red LED flashes, what does the screen look like?
[12:37] <praxy> i get the bq logo
[12:37] <praxy> then it boots back into this rotating ubuntu logo thing
[12:37] <praxy> actually when it boots, the red led will flash a few times... like it's trying to boot up several times?
[12:37] <praxy> might be because the battery's not fully charged yet tho..
[12:38] <praxy> it's not really charged much but hooked in via usb
[12:38] <mcphail> praxy: yes, charge the battery fully first. That can prevent you getting into the boot menu
[12:40] <praxy> oh ok, will try that first :D I'll let you know how it goes
[12:41] <mcphail> praxy: I will cross my fingers :)
[12:43] <praxy> mcphail: ty :) as long as it's software issue there will be a way to fix it, so I'm hopeful
[12:56] <praxy> mcphail: I fear it won't work.. it's charged enough now so it can boot up in one time (1 red led flash), but it goes straight back to rotating ubuntu logo no matter if I hold the volup during boot or not
[12:57] <praxy> it seems it is set on finishing this job (factory reset itself), though it never finishes it
[12:58] <mcphail> praxy: honestly, wait longer. For some reason there can be a difference between the charge level registered by the operating system and the metal
[12:58] <praxy> if I could cancel it or get into fastboot somehow, I would have a way out
[12:58] <praxy> mcphail: ok I will
[12:58] <mcphail> praxy: I have had difficulty booting when the OS thought I was 53% charged
[13:22] <ogra_> praxy, note that the devices dont really charge on PC usb ports ... they draw pretty much the same amount as the PC supplies, make sure to chanrge it for 1-2h on a proper wall charger first
[13:23] <ogra_> (PC USB ports only supply 500mA max)
[13:25] <praxy> ogra_: yep it's charging on a wall charger now, I'll let it charge for a few hours so I don't have any way of checking the actual charge level now. Thanks :)
[13:25] <praxy> s/so I/since I/
[13:26] <ogra_> if you turn it on it should actually show a battery animation
[13:26] <praxy> on the bq e5 ? never seen that I think
[13:27] <ogra_> anyway, once you can get back into fastboot you can use ubuntu-device-flash to re-flash it worst case
[13:27] <praxy> yep
[13:27] <ogra_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5 has the instructions
[13:27] <popey> yeah, you get an animation if you turn it _off_  then plug the charger in
[13:27] <praxy> is the rotating ubuntu logo part of the factory reset procedure ?
[13:27] <ogra_> yep
[13:27] <praxy> ok
[13:28] <ogra_> (it is the same script as the upgrade/update script but using other options)
[13:29] <praxy> it doesn't disable/bypass the bootloader menu or anything?
[13:29] <ogra_> nope
[13:29] <praxy> ok great
[13:30] <ogra_> the bootloader menu is handled by the bootloader itself ... the update or wipe happens in recovery mode ... thats one step after the bootloader
[13:30] <praxy> ok makes sense
[13:32] <praxy> popey: is there a way off turning it off ? without access to the os
[13:33] <popey> praxy: hold power button for longer than you think you need to
[13:35] <praxy> ah yea.. that doesn't work during recovery mode tho in my experience :)
[13:35] <praxy> so I'll leave it spinning
[13:36] <popey> it should always work
[13:37] <popey> just hold it longer :)
[13:40] <praxy> well I'm not sure what weird state my device is in now, but it only responds to volup+power
[13:40] <praxy> 2 mins power held -> nothing
[15:55] <DexterF> heya. can I imagine UT as just ubuntu with a touch optimized gui or are there differences like, permissions are completely different, there are no packages in the conventional sense..?
[16:24] <praxy> mcphail ogra_ popey: I let it charge for a few hours but same thing.. I put up a small vid to demonstrate https://media.evildroid.xyz/mgoblin_media/media_entries/46/output.webm
[16:25] <praxy> sorry for bad sound
[16:26] <popey> praxy: i think your only option at this point is to call bq
[16:26] <popey> well, least worst option :)
[16:26] <praxy> ok I was wondering if you saw another way to get it in fastboot
[16:27] <popey> I don't know, and most people aren't around at the weekend
[16:27] <popey> so you could wait till monday when john-mcaleely wakes up (he may know) or call bq, or keep randomly pressing buttons :)
[16:33] <praxy> popey: ok np, I'll open a call with bq
[18:56] <zzarr_> Hello! Is there a way to change the text size of the text in the freenode text on ubuntu-touch?
[19:04] <mush2> what is the current eta for LTE ubuntu touch phones in the US?
[19:04] <AHemlocksLie> Or even a compatible one I can import
[19:05] <AHemlocksLie> I kind of worry American providers and retailers are going to try to fill them full of unremovable crapware like they do Android phones. I hope Ubuntu Touch can be spared that
[19:07] <mush2> me too
[19:07] <mush2> i won't buy with crapware
[19:07] <mush2> you can fix Android by installing CyanogenMod, though
[19:08] <mush2> or Replicant
[19:08] <AHemlocksLie> Yeah, I put Cyanogenmod on my Android
[19:08] <mush2> so crapware isn't an issue, right?
[19:08] <AHemlocksLie> Not anymore
[19:18] <AHemlocksLie> How is it on a Nexus 7? Is it as updated as the full Ubuntu phones? I see I could install an image on it, but it would be disappointing to be stuck right before native phones launched
[19:22] <AHemlocksLie> Oh, 7 is a tablet. I thought it was a phone for some reason. How is it on a 4? I don't mind picking up a 3 year old phone if it's actually gonna work well. I don't really do a lot of high intensity things on my phone like gaming and whatnot
[19:24] <mush2> are you asking how cm is?
[19:26] <AHemlocksLie> No, Touch
[19:26] <AHemlocksLie> Should have been a little clearer
[19:27] <AHemlocksLie> Nexus 4 is the only "official" ported phone, and I was wondering if it's kept up to date with the native Touch phones and how well it runs
[19:27] <AHemlocksLie> I could pick up a Nexus 4 pretty affordably and use that until native phones launch in the US
[19:30] <AHemlocksLie> I'm having trouble finding any newer reviews, and I know a lot can change in a relatively short amount of time
[20:05] <mush2> are you suggesting that Ubuntu Touch can be installed on the Nexus phones?
[20:26] <cwayne> mardy, hey you around by any chance
[20:44] <AHemlocksLie> mush2: Yeah, Ubuntu has an image specifically for the Nexus 4. It was the original dedicated development device if I understand correctly
[20:46] <AHemlocksLie> I managed to dig up a spreadsheet on the wiki that details a lot of what works and what doesn't, but it hasn't been updated since about a year ago, so I dunno if much of anything has changed. The images don't have a date on them, but the files in the .tgz *appear* to have the date modified field set to 8/4/2015, about a week ago, which means a great deal could have changed in a year
[20:48] <AHemlocksLie> Of course, that's the latest version, but the version numbers mirror the available version of Android for the phone, so I suspect the version number is more about the current status of the phone having it installed than any changes to Touch, so I dunno what it means
[22:55] <AHemlocksLie> Anyone here put Touch on a Nexus 5? I see the wiki mentions poor battery life. How poor are we talking here?
[22:56] <AHemlocksLie> And how serious are any other problems? Other than the mentioned Bluetooth disfunctionality
[23:01] <OerHeks> AHemlocksLie, seems to be a lot of minor bugs, camera etc http://2buntu.com/articles/1489/installing-ubuntu-touch-on-a-nexus-5/
[23:06] <AHemlocksLie> Yeah, I saw that one, but it's over a year old
[23:07] <AHemlocksLie> I dunno if much progress has been made in the interim
[23:07] <AHemlocksLie> The same site published an article about 5 months later in November on how to dual boot it, so I might do that


[08:40] <ychaouche> hello #ubuntu-server
[08:42] <ychaouche> is there a way to show motd again after I login ?
[09:09] <ychaouche> run-parts /etc/update-motd/
[09:09] <ychaouche> /etc/update-motd.d/*
[09:09] <ychaouche> my next question would be : I'd like to show a static text. What's the proper way to do that ? should I change the configuration in pam ?
[12:40] <friendlyguy> hi there! i am wondering about a dependency situation, and how i could resolve it properly: opendistroforelasticsearch depends on elasticsearch-oss. however: i have elasticsearch installed and i'd like it to use that instead
[12:41] <friendlyguy> from looking at the feature matrix: elasticsearch includes all functionality that the oss version has to offer. so i dont see why it wouldn't be compatible
[12:51] <friendlyguy> whats the right way to try? download the deb and untar / modify control?
[13:56] <mgedmin> there's a debian package for overriding dependencies, but I forgot what it was called
[13:57] <mgedmin> ah, equivs
[13:58] <mgedmin> the way it works, it enerates a trivial .deb with some Provides: ... metadata and then installs that .deb
[13:58] <mgedmin> friendlyguy: ^
[13:59] <ychaouche> how do I force the update of the motd message ?
[14:02] <mgedmin> sudo update-motd maybe?
[14:07] <ychaouche> that package isn't installed by default
[14:07] <ychaouche> and the description of the package says : " The functionality formerly provided by this package is now integrated into
[14:07] <ychaouche>  pam_motd, in libpam-modules.
[14:07] <ychaouche> "
[14:07] <ychaouche> pam_motd isn't a command though
[14:08]  * ychaouche could it be a libexec ?
[14:12]  * ychaouche oh, libexec don't exist anymore ?
[14:12]  * ychaouche what year is this ?
[14:12] <mgedmin> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/groovy/en/man8/update-motd.8.html
[14:13] <mgedmin> says it's compatible with pam_motd
[14:13] <mgedmin> (the only way to trigger pam_motd is to log in)
[14:13] <mgedmin> (maybe via ssh, maybe on /dev/tty3 etc.)
[14:15] <ychaouche> mgedmin, I got you. It's just that reading from the package description I thought I didn't have to actually install it since what it does is already covered by pamd, but since you also say that I can't trigger pamd manually, I guess I have no other option for now.
[14:33] <ychaouche> I could just have overwritten /var/run/motd or wherever pamd reads the motd from I guess
[14:33] <ychaouche> run-parts /etc/update-motd.d/ > /var/run/motd
[14:35] <mgedmin> but /usr/sbin/update-motd does that atomically
[14:35] <ychaouche> humm... I think the real problem was that my script was having a syntax error, that's why the /var/run/motd wasn't updated
[14:36] <ychaouche> I have uninstalled update-motd, changed my script, logged out and back in, changes are immediatly visible.
[14:36] <ychaouche> My first assumptions about motd not being updated automatically were wrong
[14:37] <mgedmin> fwiw update-motd passes --lsbsysinit to run-parts; not sure if it matters in practice
[14:41] <ychaouche> apparently that only filters what scripts are executed based on filenames and file permissions IIRC.
[15:36] <zetheroo1> Is this for Ubuntu 16.04 as well? https://buy.ubuntu.com/collections/ubuntu-advantage-virtual
[15:37] <zetheroo1> because it just says 'Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Extended Security Maintenance (ESM)' everywhere
[15:43] <mgedmin> 16.04 still has regular security support until next April, after which it'll go into ESM too
[15:43] <mgedmin> five years since 2016-04
[15:47] <zetheroo1> mgedmin: afaik ESM for 16.04 ends in 04/2024
[15:47] <zetheroo1> but the question is if the stuff I linked to is for 16.04 ...
[15:48] <mgedmin> yeah, LTS = 5-year support for everyone, ESM extends that to 10 years and requires $$$
[15:49] <mgedmin> I expect that page will change in 2021-04 to mention 16.04 as well
[15:50] <zetheroo1> mgedmin: according to https://ubuntu.com/security/esm '16.04 (Xenial Xerus) will have updates provided for up to three years after the end of the Standard Security Maintenance window.'
[15:50] <mgedmin> oh, not 10 years, just 8 years?  interesting
[15:50] <zetheroo1> 'Ubuntu 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) and subsequent releases until further announcement will have ESM updates provided for up to five years'
[15:51] <mgedmin> at this point I'm pretty sure you know more than I so I'll stop answering ;)
[15:52] <zetheroo1> I don't know ... just trying to put the pieces together
[15:53] <zetheroo1> is EOL the same as end of ESM?
[15:54] <mgedmin> I think that's the new terminology, yes
[15:54] <zetheroo1> right
[15:54] <mgedmin> (some people might still say EOL and mean the end of regular support)
[16:23] <endersending> I am looking for some help. I am trying to install ubuntu 18 server as a guest in Xen/Qemu. The install goes fine, but on boot it dies not being able to find the LVM
[16:24] <endersending> I tried to install ubuntu 20 LTS server, and it kept crashes during the install
[16:25] <endersending> Has anyone had experience installing server on a VM?
[16:27] <mgedmin> yes, a libvirt vm
[16:29] <mgedmin> 18.04, installed fine using the live-server iso in virt-manager
[16:29] <endersending> mgedmin, did you use the ISO or a vm image?
[16:29] <endersending> I tries the ISO
[16:29] <endersending> 18 installs, but dies on boot not finding the LVM
[16:31] <mgedmin> dunno, I created an lvm partition and let libvirt use it as the virtual disk for the VM; then didn't add another LVM layer in the ubuntu installer
[16:33] <endersending> Do you remeber is your virtual disk showed up twice? mine does, one as /dev/xd0 (or something) and the other as a Qemu disk
[16:41] <ChmEarl> endersending, this is the Xen from bionic repo? xen-4.11? if so, paste your xl/xen config and `fdisk -l /dev/VG/LV` for your LVM
[16:44] <endersending> let me look..
[16:45] <endersending> 4.9.112-32.el7.x86_64
[16:45] <endersending> its Centos as the hypervisor.
[16:46] <endersending> my disks are served via fibre channel, so i just give the VM the whole raw disk
[16:46] <endersending> not sure how to dump my xen config
[16:52] <endersending> fdisk: https://pastebin.pl/view/1dae889e
[16:54] <endersending> I am going to try to install again... maybe i can get it to work
[16:55] <RoyK> endersending: I haven't used xen for 10 years or så ;)
[17:03] <ChmEarl> endersending, why use type BIOS for your xvda1 (1st partition)? make it type Linux (83)  and size 2G
[17:14] <endersending> ChmEarl, that was the auto config.. can I just put everything on one partition, or do I need a boot partition>
[17:15] <ChmEarl> endersending, 1 partition
[17:16] <endersending> ok.. If this instll doesnt work Ill try with a different partition config
[17:17] <endersending> It installed this time.. I think the difference could have been the first few tries, I reused a VM I had set up for freebsd.. so creating a new one and saying that I am using ubuntu 18, might have solved the problem
[17:17] <endersending> Thank you very much for the help
[17:18] <endersending> Now I am going to try to create my own open street maps tile server


[05:13] <bkerensa> AlanBell: You around?
[09:10] <AlanBell> hi bkerensa
[10:39] <bkerensa> oi
[10:39] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Wrong channel sorry about that =o
[10:43] <AlanBell> heh, it was!
[10:43] <AlanBell> yes, fixes are on the way
[10:44] <AlanBell> we are in process of doing the #lubuntu queue right now
[10:44] <AlanBell> and I think we will process some of the other queues fairly soon
[10:47] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Shoul it be changed to fix committed?
[10:47] <bkerensa> :P
[10:48] <AlanBell> in progress is fine
[10:49] <bkerensa> k
[10:50] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-council lots of stuff in progress
[11:09] <bkerensa> uhh I need to have a seperate install for doing package building :P
[12:08] <ts2> bkerensa: that's what chroots are for (and I use schroot and sbuild, but pbuilder is another)
[12:10] <bkerensa> yeah I know :)
[12:10] <bkerensa> I use schroot
[16:54] <bkerensa> jcastro: Had no idea you debianized gwibber :)
[17:59] <s-fox> Evening
[18:01] <koolhead17> evening
[18:01] <s-fox> How's everyone?
[18:03] <MrChrisDruif> Pretty good s-fox, did you get that job?
[18:03]  * koolhead17 is alive and kicking :)
[18:03] <MrChrisDruif> The one where the interview went well?
[18:03] <s-fox> I have a second interview on the premises on Wednesday MrChrisDruif. I have been working on my OO PHP
[18:12] <MrChrisDruif> Good going and good luck s-fox ^_^
[18:14] <MrChrisDruif> I'm applying to a job which combines working and learning. 28 hours of working and 10 hours of school in a week.
[18:22] <koolhead17> MrChrisDruif: sounds interesting :)
[21:28] <czajkowski> JanC: should we create a wiki page or an event on the LTP for FOSDEM ?
[21:29] <JanC> I was going to create a wiki page, but...
[21:33] <czajkowski> all the info we can add to the LTP
[21:33] <czajkowski> just under your locoteam?
[21:33] <czajkowski> thats if there are plans to go for dinner
[21:34] <JanC> I'm working on a wiki page right now
[21:34] <czajkowski> not sure what I'm doing the saturday night as there is a large group of us
[21:34] <czajkowski> wiki is fine then
[21:35] <JanC> Ward is going to look at dinner locations (maybe the Italian place from last year)
[21:35] <czajkowski> nods
[21:35] <JanC> and we'll compile a list at FOSDEM
[21:35] <JanC> tens to be more reliable than doing beforehand  :P
[21:36] <czajkowski> we ended up in the Opera place again as they could seat 18 of us in the end
[21:36] <JanC> tends*
[21:36] <JanC> we actually borrowed seats from the MySQL people last year  ☺
[21:36] <czajkowski> cool
[21:36] <czajkowski> the friday night we ended up at some odd place but was nice
[21:37] <JanC> they told the restaurant they would be maybe 50, but on Friday night I talked to a Belgian member of their community they didn't expect more than 30
[21:37] <czajkowski> and saturday as the group kept growing, we went to drug opera as only place I knew off hand that had large space.
[21:37] <popey> have they finally banned smoking in pubs in .be now?
[21:38] <JanC> so we were on the same table with Monty and got free liquorice wodka   ☺
[21:38] <czajkowski> thoguth it was up to them and most do it bar the likes of delerium
[21:38] <czajkowski> JanC: nice   but tis evil stuff
[21:41] <czajkowski> nn folks
[21:41] <JanC> popey: not entirely
[21:42] <JanC> popey: 2014-06-01 is the final cut-off date it seems
[21:43] <JanC> there are some rules that make it difficult/expensive to allow smoking though
[21:44] <JanC> e.g. Delirium is large enough that they have to make > 50% of the bar non-smoking, and the smoking parts need equipment to "suck" (most of) the smoke away
[22:08] <JanC> czajkowski: I started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fosdem/2012 but need to add more info the next days  ☺
[23:43] <jono> hey all
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha jono
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going jono ?
[23:47] <jono> hey MrChrisDruif
[23:47] <jono> good thanks
[23:47] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/23/hacking-on-accomplishments/
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I'm not subscripted to your blog ^_^
[23:48] <jono> MrChrisDruif, it is on Planet Ubuntu too
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> Not an avid reader, let's just put it like that ^_^
[23:49] <jono> np
[23:50] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome trophies ^_^
[23:50] <jono> :-)
[23:51] <JanC> hm, I wonder how that would work for helping people on IRC, on a forum, or in real life...
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> Clicked a button, Clicked another button...I'd have a million trophies by now then ;-)
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> AskUbuntu should be doable
[23:51] <MrChrisDruif> IRC...interesting one...real life...ghe
[23:52] <JanC> real life help is often the most important  ;)
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> AskUbuntu already has a rewarding system in place, you could retrieve those I think
[23:52] <JanC> but most difficult to reward
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> That is indeed true
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> How about "Installed *ubuntu on someone else's system"? =P
[23:54] <JanC> I see the spec mentions this to some degree
[23:54] <MrChrisDruif> "Made your first OpenSSH connection" =P
[23:54] <JanC> under "Human Issued"
[23:55] <jono> JanC, yeah, some things would need to be issued by people
[23:55] <jono> the idea was to first get the automated ones fixed up first
[23:55] <jono> then we have a platform in which we can generate trophies
[23:55] <JanC> but a lot of that sort of work happens outside of any official structure
[23:55] <jono> JanC, what do you mean?
[23:56] <JanC> well, lots of people help other prople without any structure being around to record that
[23:56] <jono> JanC, oh right, yeah
[23:57] <jono> this system would not cover everything
[23:57] <jono> but I think it could cover a lot
[23:57] <jono> such as filing your first bug, getting a first patch approved, making a translation etc
[23:58] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, those can be "easily" added, but JanC was referring to real life help situations
[23:58] <JanC> for several reasons translations aren't always registered to the actual translator...
[23:58] <jono> right
[23:59] <JanC> and the same for patches, etc.
[23:59] <jono> agreed, but I think this system would provide enough coverage of activities to help people feel that their contributions are worthwhile
[23:59] <jono> so it won't cover everything, but I get the impression it would cover enough to be interesting for folks
[23:59] <jono> and then the human issued can help cover the rest
[23:59] <jono> this is still very much a WIP though, hence why we are just playing with ideas
[23:59] <cjohnston> jono, do you have dates for the end of applying for sponsorship yet please
[23:59] <jono> cjohnston, not yet
[23:59] <jono> I am going to get this out tomorrow


[02:05] <hazmat> jet laggers in the house?
[08:11] <waigani> rogpeppe: can we grab you for a sec
[08:12] <rogpeppe> waigani: sure
[08:12] <rogpeppe> waigani: where are you?
[09:18] <mgz> ericsnow: lp:jenkins-github-lander is what the bot runs, the github.py there could easily have a reviewboard.py analouge
[09:54] <mgz> anastasia: https://github.com/orgs/juju/people?query=anastasia
[11:15] <katco> marcoceppi: hey, do you have time to update the status spec with me? just a few quick tweaks
[14:36] <mgz> cmars: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/publish-revision/
[15:43] <jcw4> TheMue: are we planning on hanging out today?  I'm going to be online for another hour or so, and then travelling
[15:44] <TheMue> jcw4: no problem. I would like you to talk to bodie_ about the current status and send me a short note later so that I'm on plan too
[15:45] <jcw4> TheMue: sure, bodie_ just reached out to me a couple minutes ago
[15:45] <bodie_> cool
[15:45] <jcw4> I'm working on getting the juju-gui working in devel mode against a live local juju
[15:45] <TheMue> great
[15:46] <jcw4> TheMue: bodie_ is working on the CLI
[15:48] <TheMue> jcw4, bodie_: so the API is evaluated from client and gui side, fine. same order of functions?
[15:48] <jcw4> yes, I think both gui and cli will use the same API functions
[15:50] <TheMue> jcw4: they mostly should
[15:50] <TheMue> ;)
[15:51] <bodie_> TheMue, jcw4 I think there will probably be a few differences.  for example the default actions "do" in CLI will probably wait for a result
[15:51] <bodie_> TheMue, jcw4 while the web-gui will likely default to async
[15:51] <TheMue> only try to coordinate with each other, so code implemented for the gui hasn't to be changed when the cli wants to use it
[15:51] <bodie_> it's all in the spec doc, I will also be putting some energy into fleshing out the actions doc
[15:52] <jcw4> bodie_: even so, the API calls will be the same I'm sure
[15:52] <TheMue> bodie_: fine
[17:36] <sebas5384> We are having some problems with pending machines in juju-local ?


[09:55] <gggs> do you guys keep your window buttons on the left or right? I'm playing with xfce and finding myself going to the wrong side
[10:17] <head_victim> gggs: in what program?
[10:18] <head_victim> Or the panel?
[10:18] <gggs> head_victim: window title-bars, where they moved close/min/max to the left side
[10:19] <head_victim> Oh, I don't have any versions of Ubuntu with that modification yet. My most up to day computer uses LXDE, the other computer sits on LTS releases
[10:20] <gggs> Really? I'm running 10.04LTS
[10:21] <head_victim> Yeah my window bars are on the right still
[10:21] <head_victim> I don't recall changing that?
[10:21] <head_victim> (although it's possible I have at some stage)
[10:25] <gggs> afaik it annoyed a number of people, I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. I thought it was nice, I think it makes slightly more sense from UI philosophy standpoint
[10:26] <head_victim> Oh I've heard of it
[10:26] <head_victim> But I don't have any versions that do it. LXDE has never had it set up that way
[10:26] <head_victim> Yeah the UI argument is actually quite solid.
[10:29] <gggs> LXDE sounds nice, what's it like VS gnome/xfce?
[10:32] <gggs> yea I figure the control buttons on the left mean they don't move when a window is resized, although with Apple's UI guidelines as they are I'd like to know their own reasons
[10:34] <head_victim> It's very light on resources, I use it for all P4 and older computers.
[10:42] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[10:45] <head_victim> sagaci: hey there you are
[10:46] <sagaci> head_victim: just a pinch under 150,000 strings to go
[10:47] <head_victim> I see you've been doing a fair few
[10:51] <sagaci> nearly up to 10% of the whole lot
[10:53] <head_victim> I created a monster!
[10:56] <sagaci> and about 0.6% away from 60% complete
[10:57] <head_victim> Evening bejames
[10:57] <head_victim> sagaci: nice work, I wish I'd done half as much
[14:31] <gggs> what does everyone here do with old PC's? I have like, 3 or 4 lying around the house that are too slow &/ too noisy &/ inefficient to use
[14:31] <head_victim> gggs: how old?
[14:33] <head_victim> If they're P4 era I'd stick Lubuntu on them and find someone to donate them to.
[14:33] <gggs> well, there's a P3 500, a p2 200 (!), and an XP2500+ based desktop not doing much
[14:33] <head_victim> The P3 might still run Lubuntu ok
[14:33] <sagaci> I have a p4 around, 2GiB ram
[14:33] <head_victim> That's what I'm using now.
[14:33] <gggs> head_victim: you're still using a p3?
[14:33] <head_victim> P4 with 2GB ram
[14:34] <gggs> a friend of mine is buying a new PC, he's giving me his old(er) quad-core 2.33GHz; I have more processing power than I know what to do with already
[14:35] <head_victim> Nice friend.
[14:35] <head_victim> My "main" pc is a quad core 2.4 with 10gb ram.
[14:35] <gggs> yea, you should see what he's replacing it with though, phew
[14:36] <head_victim> Hah yeah, I want to replace my old P4 with a low power consuming i3
[14:36] <head_victim> The quad core still does everything I need it to and more
[14:37] <head_victim> The worst part about my main pc is the 8800GT video card and it is still fine for my needs really.
[14:37] <gggs> it just seems like a waste to throw away a perfectly good PC, I'd put a Linux/Windows on it & give-away-to-good-home, but that usually means providing long-term support
[14:37] <head_victim> Nah just point them to Ubuntu-AU or donate it anonymously through a local charity.
[14:38] <sagaci> PENTIUM 4
[14:38] <sagaci> feel the power!
[14:38] <sagaci> head_victim: are you building
[14:38] <head_victim> sagaci: building what?
[14:40] <sagaci> your i3 replacement
[14:40] <gggs> most of my close friends are in IT & have no use for it either, can't see what a charity would use it for
[14:40] <head_victim> Oh yeah, I haven't ever actually bought a prebuilt computer.
[14:41] <head_victim> gggs: if Lubuntu or whatever runs ok on it just call a couple of locals see if they want it. If not try and find a computer recycling place
[14:41] <head_victim> sagaci: looking at an i3 2100T cpu and just use the integrated video and whack in a fanless PSU
[14:41] <head_victim> Still waiting on work to pay me my money they owe
[14:41] <gggs> head_victim: thanks, I'll look into it
[14:42] <head_victim> gggs: no worries, hope you find a good home
[14:43] <gggs> yea either that or I'll find 3 or 4 novel fish tanks
[14:44] <gggs> boat anchors, speed humps, makeshift snow-sleds
[14:45] <head_victim> Put them on your front footpath, someone will take them
[14:46] <sagaci> head_victim: at LCA, what were the main things people were asking about... obviously I couldn't be there but were there recurring questions throughout the day
[14:46] <gggs> hey that gives me an idea, I wonder if I could fit them in my recycling wheelie bin
[14:47] <head_victim> sagaci: "what are you going to see next"
[14:47] <head_victim> gggs: dremel helps
[14:48] <sagaci> head_victim: err, what do you mean?
[14:49] <gggs> head_victim: perfect!
[14:52] <head_victim> sagaci: That's the first question everyone asked. Sorry it was an attempt at humour
[14:55] <gggs> head_victim: don't worry man, I thought it was funny
[14:55] <head_victim> sagaci: so what context were you referring to Ubuntu-AU, linux in general ?
[14:56] <sagaci> still don't get the joke... anyway, obviously most people would have known about ubuntu, so were they interested about the team itself?
[14:56] <head_victim> Most people don't know the team exists
[14:56] <head_victim> A lot of people using Ubuntu and a lot of people using Macs.
[14:58] <sagaci> yeah, a bunch of people were wearing natty narwhal t-shirts, more than I envisioned
[14:59] <head_victim> Yeah either they didn't know or weren't overly interested. That being said there were a bunch of us that caught up and it helped us get some HUMBUG contacts (the local linux user group in Brisbane)
[15:09] <sagaci> head_victim: well, 21 million users to go, in Australia
[15:10] <head_victim> Heh indeed
[15:10] <head_victim> We'll get there ;)
[15:11] <sagaci> so those posters at LCA in those photos you have on the wiki... you've told me before, but so you're saying you printed them off yourself?
[15:11] <head_victim> Yep, can be used by the team as they're laminated. It's just the postage costs that's the killer.
[15:13] <sagaci> postage for what
[15:13] <head_victim> If others around the country want to reuse them
[15:16] <sagaci> head_victim: how many did you get done
[15:18] <head_victim> 2 of the ones like the business card, one huge one not quite as big, one other ubuntu logo one and another software freedom one.
[15:21] <sagaci> so i'd be better off just getting them done myself, for personal use and if I ever hold an ubuntu hour
[15:23] <head_victim> Yeah they're not too expensive if you shop around, I left it too late and just went to officeworks
[15:24] <head_victim> The business card ones are on the wiki the rest I got off spreadubuntu.com
[15:24] <sagaci> you take in a design and they have it in a jiffy?
[15:34] <gorilla> sagaci: yes, pretty much.
[15:34] <sagaci> $30-50 laminated, roughly?
[15:36] <gorilla> sagaci: no idea.. I have had some instant business cards from officeworks.
[15:38] <sagaci> I want to get something a bit bigger
[15:38] <sagaci> at least a decent poster size
[15:38] <sagaci> this cup of tea is awesome, btw
[15:39] <head_victim> SOrry had a washing machine malfunction
[15:39] <gorilla> head_victim: oh no!
[15:39] <head_victim> sagaci: http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/content/copying-and-printing;jsessionid=%28J2EE5996400%29ID1331206351DB01459218520694532575End;saplb_*=%28J2EE5996400%295996451?siteAware=true#largeformatfullprinting for prices
[15:40] <head_victim> Oh wow, my apologies, that is a LONG link
[15:40] <head_victim> Add about 50% for laminating
[15:40] <sagaci> well what's polyester
[15:41] <sagaci> ty for the link
[15:41] <head_victim> Not sure TBH, I was in quite a rush I didn't look into it much
[15:42] <head_victim> I have a much better quality contact for business cards though, I would not recommend officeworks for them.
[15:42] <head_victim> Evening Octatron
[15:42] <head_victim> http://www.quickcolourprint.com.au/index.php they did the team business cards
[15:42] <head_victim> They came out alright
[15:43] <head_victim> Or if price is the only factor then there is always vistaprint.com.au but don't expect much from them except cheapness
[15:43] <gorilla> head_victim: ditto.. but i was in a hurry and our usual supplier isn't set up for rush jobs.
[15:43] <head_victim> I have some personal ones through vista print, they're useful instead of writing down numbers and emails but wouldn't use them in a business setting I don't think
[15:44] <Octatron> Evening head_victim, whats new in the jungle?
[15:44] <head_victim> Octatron: I just woke up half the neighbourhood with my washing machine
[15:45] <Octatron> nice :P
[15:45] <Octatron> I just finished birthday shopping for the other half, gets harder each year
[15:46] <head_victim> Octatron: doesn't it?
[15:49] <Octatron> yeah, sometimes you just think here, have some cash happy birthday
[15:52] <Octatron> At least I have converted her to Ubuntu good and proper :P
[16:03] <head_victim> I'm still working on my wife, she distrusts anything that's "free"
[16:03] <head_victim> Despite her not wanting to pay for Windows
[16:16] <Octatron> What about all the other stuff you have to buy for Windows?
[16:16] <sagaci> office
[16:16] <Octatron> Antivirus
[16:16] <sagaci> I can get by on libreoffice but I prefer office 2010
[16:16] <sagaci> I use MSE on win 7
[16:17] <sagaci> just use common sense
[16:18] <Octatron> Then there's the fear issue of licensing and having more than one pc
[16:19] <sagaci> yeahp, no decent cli environment, upgrading system/applications can be painful
[16:22] <Octatron> I think it all comes down too lack of good computer training in schools and in workplaces
[16:22] <Octatron> People say they are computer illiterate like it's a badge of honor or something..
[16:26] <head_victim> It's more that windows is too ingrained so it's what they use at school. uni and work so why not at home to?
[16:27] <Octatron> Yeah, alot of people aren't even aware that Apple Mac exists where I live let alone Linux..
[16:28] <Octatron> I'm currently trying to write up a 3 page decision sheet listing the pro's and con's of each general platform.  So they can choose what's best for them.
[16:29] <sagaci> Octatron: ... linux, that hacker program you install on windows that brings up a black box with a blinking cursor?
[16:32] <Octatron> I get mixed responses to Ubuntu with customers, some I've vetted to check it meets their needs swear by it and tell their friends, others miss windows and hate change.  It's hard to work out what a person will do before you offer it too them.
[16:37] <Octatron> head_victim: show your other half XBMC on ubuntu hooked up to the tv with an eeepc remote and wireless logitech keyboard, that's how I convinced my gal :P once they see their movies & tv shows come up so nice and ordered with a polished interface it's hard to go back.
[16:41] <head_victim> Nah we don't watch lots of tv
[16:42] <head_victim> The only thing she does outside of web browsing is play a game that has a native linux version - urban terror.
[16:43] <head_victim> She does some very minor photo editing as well but nothing that couldn't be done in one of 100 programs.
[16:43] <head_victim> Crop, rotate and you're done'
[16:44] <Octatron> Have you tried UT2004? runs great on Ubuntu and pretty cheap at EB esp with low gravity mods switched on
[16:44] <head_victim> Nah she's happy with urban terror.
[16:45] <head_victim> It's free and has native linux, mac and windows clients.
[16:46] <Octatron> must be interesting when you pair are on opposing teams
[16:46] <head_victim> We're a little too competitive I think
[16:48] <Octatron> Medal of Honor was fun in a multiplay, Id shoot a mate of mine and he'd hold onto a grenade.. then you see it .. ah shh..BOOM
[16:51] <Octatron> then there's those moments you see each other at the same time, your on a balcony and he has a bazooka.. good times..
[16:53] <head_victim> I like the fact that in urban terror it doesn't matter how long you've been playing you all have the same weapon set
[16:55] <Octatron> Well that's good, no cheaters trying to ruin the game
[16:58] <Octatron> One personal favorite of mine is using the helicopters on Battlefield Vietnam to swoop down and hit the enemy with the windscreen.. funny!
[17:00] <Octatron> head_victim: I might hit the hay, btw I've got some content to make a page on how to add ical to calendars on different email accounts what do I have to do to make me own little area to test out a page?
[17:02] <head_victim> Octatron: firstly make sure you can't just link to another page that exists online. If it's unique information maybe a sub-page of /Meetings ?


[03:34] <philsf> I see some call for tests in the -devel list. Is there a centralized page (wiki?) that people can look to see what to look for? maybe some tag in LP?
[03:35] <philsf> sorry, I forgot the background - I meant for people downloading the jaunty beta
[03:36] <dtchen> maybe release notes page on the wiki
[04:58] <dawn> Hello! I am a new user to Ubuntu. :) I just tried to update my system (to 7.10) using the Update Manager, and it told me to report a bug. I'm not sure how to navigate the online forums for Ubuntu bugs, so I thought I would bring the report here and see if anyone could help me.
[06:27] <nelhage> Where should I report a bug on the Intrepid->Jaunty upgrade?
[06:31] <sbeattie> nelhage: launchpad, same as for any other bug in ubuntu.
[06:31] <nelhage> Sorry; I meant is there a specific place for upgrade bugs, or does it go against the relevant package?
[06:33] <sbeattie> nelhage: the relevant package is a good place to start; update-manager may be appropriate as well if it's a dependency ordering issue.
[06:34] <nelhage> Ah, after some digging it looks like my bug is #354228. Great timing!
[06:35] <nelhage> (I suspect that was caused by the fix to #353251, which went in literally hours ago)
[06:43] <andersk> Can someone on bugcontrol please mark bug 354228 as importance Critical?  It completely breaks Jaunty installs and upgrades.
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[06:48] <YoBoY> good morning :)
[07:11] <drcookie> hello, anyone that is awake
[07:13] <drcookie> I'm interesting in learning how to triage bugs, and wondered if anyone could possibly walk me through the process?
[07:13] <drcookie> s/interesting/interested/
[07:19] <YoBoY> drcookie: hi, have you read the documentation on the wiki?
[07:29] <YoBoY> drcookie: if you can participate on a bug jam also, it's a good way to begin
[07:46] <drcookie> YoBoY: I have read the documentation
[07:46] <drcookie> it just seems a little daunting at first
[07:47] <YoBoY> yes it is :)
[07:47] <drcookie> I've kind of cherry picked a little, and done 2 bugs
[07:48] <YoBoY> you can always ask here for advice on a bug, simply put bug NUMBER and your question and someone will help you (perhap's :p)
[07:49] <drcookie> ok
[07:50] <drcookie> well, I'm off to bed for now
[07:50] <drcookie> night, and thanks
[09:35] <TEN> The startup order is wrong between LIRC, lcdproc and VDR - a manual fix is easy once known, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vdr-plugin-lcdproc/+bug/250107 but next to impossible for new users to figure out. IMU the order should be handled automagically by init dependencies anyway, but I couldn't find a way to fix/implement these.
[10:19] <mvo> bdmurray: woah, congracts for becoming a motu - thats excellent news \o/ (I'm a bit late, but its never too late to cheer :)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> mmm, tasty pidgin and new notification bug
[12:17] <Hobbsee> so, now that it's got the envelope thing that works for pidgin and evolution and whatnot, i told it to hide the icon at all times
[12:17] <Hobbsee> so thus, it doesn't appear in the notification area directly
[12:17] <Hobbsee> and when you hit x, it quits the program.
[12:50] <savvas> FYI: I've marked several bugs in python2.6 and pytho3.0 as duplicates of bug #354228 (sorry if I made a mistake)
[12:50] <savvas> *python3.0
[12:52] <XiXaQ> I need some help with a bug. Gnome or X.org crashes when I run a certain application. It always happen, but I don't know how to find out why. I'm also not close to my computer. But if someone could install "alarm clock" for gnome, and run it to find out why it crashes, I think it could be useful.
[12:52] <XiXaQ> I'm running ubuntu jaunty with all updates installed, btw.
[12:56] <savvas> XiXaQ: package name?
[12:57] <savvas> ah, alarm-clock :)
[13:01] <savvas> ouch.. that's a bad bug :P
[13:02] <savvas> XiXaQ: please file a bug for it, or see if you can find a bug report about it: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[13:18] <savvas> XiXaQ: did you find one?
[13:29] <fader_> Can anybody tell me the proper package to report sound bugs against?  (Specifically things like recording/microphone issues)
[13:31] <savvas> XiXaQ: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alarm-clock/+bug/321176
[14:09] <XiXaQ> savvas: thanks! Do you have a logfile to attach? I'm not at home, so I can't get mine, but there was an error in /var/log/Xorg that said something about it.
[14:13] <savvas> XiXaQ: only an strace
[14:13] <savvas> strace -o test.txt alarm-clock
[14:15] <savvas> XiXaQ: it needs to be killed from ctrl+alt+f2 though :\
[14:16] <savvas> I can't see anynothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:16] <XiXaQ> savvas: as I said, I don't have access to it from here, but there was a line saying something like the screen area doesn't exist, or something like that.
[14:19] <savvas> here's the Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/143474/
[15:00] <yann__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paman/+bug/352959
[15:00] <yann__> I think I found the culprit line
[15:00] <yann__> (see last comment in bug)
[15:01] <yann__> but I have no idea how to fix it...
[15:01] <yann__> some clues?
[15:24] <bddebian> Boo
[16:06] <hggdh> bah
[16:14] <bdmurray> mvo: thanks!
[17:23] <yann__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paman/+bug/352959
[17:24] <yann__> I found the bug and add a patch
[17:28] <lunartear> logcheck is reporting the same system and security events every hour which are from older dates such as Mar 22. I noticed a bug similar to this on debian's bug tracker http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296096  is there something i can do to fix this?
[17:29] <lunartear> im using logcheck 1.2.41
[17:30] <lunartear> affected version on the bug report is 1.2.34 and fixed version was 1.2.36
[17:34] <hggdh> lunartear, then it sounds like a regression
[17:34] <hggdh> lunartear, what Ubuntu version are you running?
[17:35] <lunartear> hggdh: 6.0.6 TLS if im not mistaken
[17:36] <hggdh> 6.04?
[17:36] <lunartear> 6.06.1 LTS Dapper
[17:38] <BUGabundo> hggdh: lol there was no 6.04
[17:38] <hggdh> BUGabundo, before my time ;-)
[17:38] <hggdh> lunartear, http://packages.ubuntu.com states Dapper logcheck is 1.2.42ubuntu1
[17:40] <BUGabundo> really?
[17:40] <BUGabundo> I thought you were and old dog too
[17:40] <hggdh> really... if I remember correctly. Since I am an old dog, my memory has been failing ;-)
[17:41] <hggdh> I think I started on Ubuntu end of 2006/beginning of 2007. Before that it was SUSE for a few years
[17:41] <BUGabundo> ah
[17:41] <BUGabundo> I started with 5.04 brefelly
[17:42] <BUGabundo> and with 6.06 full time
[17:42] <hggdh> I went straight to the "E"...
[17:43] <hggdh> needed it because of my sound card and wireless
[17:46] <lunartear> hggdh i did a --reinstall of logcheck. 1.2.42ubuntu1  guess i'll be back in an hour if it continues
[17:46] <hggdh> lunartear, thank you
[17:47] <lunartear> np
[18:04] <lunartear> hggdh i just recieved another
[18:05] <lunartear> perhaps its another package that needs updating such as syslog or rotate?
[18:07] <hggdh> lunartear, it might... meanwhile, it would be good if you could open a bug on that
[18:07] <hggdh> lunartear, actually, can you try and see if there are updates to syslog, or rotate (since you use them)?
[19:08] <mdz> ogasawara: you set 348275 to triaged but forgot to set importance
[19:09] <ogasawara> mdz: oops, thanks.  I'll fix it up.
[20:15] <mregister> ok sorry to seem dumb but i just joined the bugSquad five a day program. so now what do i do?
[20:24] <maxriskfactor> mregister, have you installed 5-a-day application?
[20:25] <mregister> no i have not. i just joined the group on launch pad and that's it.
[20:26] <lacqui> anyone here know why no bug announcements are on #ubuntu-bugs-announce?
[20:26] <maxriskfactor> mregister, this can help you a lot: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/patch
[20:26] <maxriskfactor> mregister, this has everything you ever need for 5-a-day programme
[20:26] <hggdh> lacqui, I will have a look at it
[20:26] <maxriskfactor> mregister, by the way your questions wasnt dumb :)
[20:30] <hggdh> lacqui, it seems there simply was no new bugs (or they were not announced by the LP link) in this interval. But I went ahead, corrected a smal logging issue, and restarted eeebotu
[20:30] <mregister> maxriskfactory, that page was jsut some code on a white background
[20:31] <lacqui> the reason i was asking was because launchpad was showing bugs on the web page
[20:31] <maxriskfactor> mregister, code in white background?
[20:31] <maxriskfactor> mregister, that's the 5-a-day wiki page
[20:31] <maxriskfactor> mregister, try again -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day/
[20:32] <maxriskfactor> mregister, its https not http :)
[20:33] <hggdh> lacqui, there is a delay between direct access to LP and eeebotu. It does not make sense to continuously probe LP
[20:34] <hggdh> usually ~5 minutes, or less
[20:34] <mregister> a much better maxriskfactor. thanks!
[20:34] <maxriskfactor> mregister, opened? got it?
[20:34] <lacqui> lol ok, i was idling for a bit, the bugs (which seem to be all related) were all reported in a block
[20:35]  * lacqui is obviously too impatient
[20:35] <hggdh> :-)
[20:35] <hggdh> no probs
[20:39] <mregister> yes, maxriskfactor i got it. so i need to learn the process for bug reporting and go from there it seems.
[20:40] <maxriskfactor> mregister, yes.. you better learn how to file bugs properly
[20:41] <maxriskfactor> so that you know what is required for troubleshooting a bug
[20:41] <maxriskfactor> so that you can ask people what is required
[20:41] <maxriskfactor> you can troubleshoot a bug only if you know what all info is required for a dev to fix it.
[20:42] <maxriskfactor> go and see the TraigingBugs and Bug BackTrace  wiki pages
[20:43] <mregister> yes i am doing that now.
[20:43] <mregister> so the long term goal for me is to develope for Ubuntu. this seems like a good place to start cosidering i am just starting out in CS and really learning to program
[20:47] <maxriskfactor> mregister, for contributing you dont need programming
[20:47] <maxriskfactor> you can be a bridge between users and developers
[20:48] <maxriskfactor> mregister, though knowledge of programming surely helps and gives you an edge
[20:49] <mregister> right but as i udnerstand the contributing is the first step, and while i work on that my skills will increase
[20:50] <maxriskfactor> mregister, correct. nor am I a big contributer, nor do I file much bugs
[20:50] <maxriskfactor> do one thing, install apport if not installed
[20:52] <mregister> what is apport?
[20:52] <maxriskfactor> its the crash handler
[20:53] <maxriskfactor> if am correct :)
[20:53] <maxriskfactor> once enabled, it would run in background
[20:53] <maxriskfactor> when your application crashes, it would show up in the top right corner
[20:54] <maxriskfactor> when you click on it, it creates an exhaustive report of the crash, everything it can...
[20:54] <maxriskfactor> if you allow it to be submitted
[20:54] <maxriskfactor> then it uploads itself to launchpad and you are greeted on the screen on launchpad to file the bug
[20:54] <BUGabundo> maxriskfactor: you can also call it from CLI or the Help menu in gtk
[20:54] <maxriskfactor> you can add comments on the bug you submitted. This is actually the correct way to file bugs
[20:55] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, ubuntu-bugs ?
[20:55] <BUGabundo> that too
[20:55] <BUGabundo> not the "correct" way , but the "recommend" way
[20:56] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, :)
[20:56] <maxriskfactor> mregister, read this: http://mdzlog.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/please-dont-report-ubuntu-bugs-directly-to-launchpad/
[20:56] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:56] <maxriskfactor> mregister, and this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[20:56] <BUGabundo> didn't read his blog!
[20:56] <BUGabundo> just the email to devel ML
[20:56] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, this post even showns on ubuntuforums.org
[20:57] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, why didnt read this blog?
[20:59] <mregister> ok collecting a nice reading list.
[20:59] <BUGabundo> too many already maxriskfactor
[20:59] <maxriskfactor> mregister, reading never harms :)
[20:59] <BUGabundo> 300 feeds is too much to read
[21:00] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, 1000+ for me
[21:00] <BUGabundo> but feel free to follow my shared one
[21:00] <BUGabundo> maxriskfactor: not 1000+ unread... 300+ different sites/sources!
[21:00] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, its really like "WTF"
[21:00] <BUGabundo> maxriskfactor: pvt please
[21:00] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, I cant cope up with so much traffic
[21:01] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, you use Google Reader?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> yes
[21:01] <maxriskfactor> BUGabundo, how do I get your shared items?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> maxriskfactor: this is off topic for this #
[21:01] <BUGabundo> come to pvt please
[21:01] <maxriskfactor> sure
[21:04] <mregister> no reading is great. what i do more than anything
[21:05] <maxriskfactor> mregister, keep going.. and try it out side by side :0
[21:50] <BUGabundo> is this normal
[21:50] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/143684/
[21:50] <BUGabundo> ?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> apport crashing out of memory?
[21:59] <hggdh> not, it oes not seem good
[21:59] <hggdh> I wonder if Nautilus got all memory...
[21:59] <BUGabundo> yea
[22:00] <BUGabundo> I found it strange too hggdh
[22:00] <BUGabundo> where would I ask for help to start my 1st patch? need to branch a code in LP!
[22:03] <dtchen> hggdh: your debdiff for 352959 is odd. what is the base against which you diffed?
[22:03] <dtchen> hggdh: i'll redo it for jaunty
[22:04] <bdmurray> dtchen: you confirmed bug 210394 do you have a test case for it?
[22:06] <dtchen> bdmurray: not at the moment; it was reproducible when i marked it
[22:06] <dtchen> i'm triaging audio stuff atm, will look in a bit
[22:30] <BUGabundo> hggdh: is this any good https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo/network-manager/bug353957/+merge/5210 ?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> me 1st patch! yay
[23:07] <hggdh> dtchen, it was diffed against Jaunty paman
[23:07] <dtchen> hggdh: err, no?
[23:08] <hggdh> dtchen, or, at least, what apt-get source gave me as such. I wondered about the changelog
[23:08] <hggdh> (was marked as Intrepid...)
[23:08] <dtchen> the patch is wrong
[23:08] <hggdh> darn!
[23:08] <dtchen> i have consulted with upstream and will attach a new debdiff
[23:09] <hggdh> thank you, I could not find anything as an active upstream
[23:09] <dtchen> builds and operates fine locally
[23:09] <dtchen> paman uses the same trac as pulseaudio
[23:10] <hggdh> perhaps we should, then, update the ./debian/watch (or this was the bloody old entry for the paman I sourced off)
[23:11] <dtchen> hggdh: there has been no new upstream release
[23:11] <dtchen> 0.9.4 is the current upstream release
[23:11] <hggdh> dtchen, then I am really confused... the diff was against 0.9.4
[23:12] <hggdh> dtchen, I have to go out for 40 min
[23:12] <dtchen> hggdh: it's no big deal
[23:14] <nhandler> hggdh: apt-get source doesn't get the latest ubuntu version. It uses the deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.list. I would advise you use pull-lp-source from ubuntu-dev-tools instead
[23:15] <dtchen> nhandler: do you mind uploading http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24772522/paman_0.9.4-1ubuntu2.debdiff, please?
[23:16] <nhandler> dtchen: Do you have a bug to go with that?
[23:16] <dtchen> bug 352959
[23:16] <dtchen> (the bug is listed in the debdiff)
[23:17]  * nhandler saw that after he made the comment
[23:20] <joshjtl> hi folks, trying to report a bug, i don't know what information to attach to it
[23:20] <dtchen> use ubuntu-bug
[23:21] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: you are spamming every channel
[23:21] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:21] <dtchen> e.g., ubuntu-bug quassel
[23:21] <dtchen> will report a bug about quassel
[23:21] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I already told him that on +1
[23:21] <joshjtl> you told me to ask in here
[23:21] <BUGabundo> no
[23:21] <BUGabundo> that on on "lp
[23:21] <joshjtl> i'm confused
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I told you on +1 how to use apport to file bugs
[23:22] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: but i'm trying to find out what to attach to my bug report
[23:22] <BUGabundo> ahh
[23:22] <BUGabundo> do that on LP
[23:22] <BUGabundo> *after* apport file it
[23:23] <joshjtl> right i'm reporting a bug on launchpad.net ... but how do I know what info to attach to the bug there?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> well apport collects pretty much all you need
[23:23] <BUGabundo> if something is missing triager or devs will ask for it
[23:23] <BUGabundo> what is the bug id'
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ?
[23:23] <joshjtl> ohhhh
[23:24] <joshjtl> i see it opens a page in launchpad after I run and send apport
[23:24] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:24] <joshjtl> thats what i wasnt understanding
[23:24] <joshjtl> i thought it just sent it and... that was it
[23:25] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:25] <BUGabundo> ok glad to see it clear now
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I just needed to ask the proper question!
[23:26] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/354822
[23:26] <joshjtl> how does that look
[23:27] <nhandler> dtchen: Uploaded
[23:27] <joshjtl> BUGabundo:  hmm i wonder if i should have run apport while logged into 2.6.29 since the problem is solved by booting into 2.6.27
[23:27] <BUGabundo> please mention that on the bug
[23:27] <joshjtl> BUGabundo:  I did... could you have a look at it and tell me if it looks ok?
[23:28] <dtchen> nhandler: thanks!
[23:28]  * BUGabundo looks
[23:28] <nhandler> dtchen: You're welcome. Thanks for the patch
[23:28] <BUGabundo> joshjtl: that doesn't have a package!
[23:28] <BUGabundo> strange!
[23:29] <BUGabundo> shouldn't it be xserver-xorg?
[23:29] <dtchen> nhandler: heh, i used to sponsor these patches ;-)
[23:29] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: It wanted to add a package, yes xserver-xorg, but i didnt know if that was what was causing the error
[23:29] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: do you think i should add it?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> ok I did it now
[23:30] <joshjtl> BUGabundo: you added it?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:30] <joshjtl> oh thanks
[23:30] <joshjtl> i'm an old linux user, but new to bug reporting
[23:31] <nhandler> dtchen: Why don't you re-apply to the teams?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> hey joshjtl we all learn!
[23:32] <dtchen> nhandler: i will if i find that fixes are being dropped on the floor
[23:33] <dtchen> besides, everyone needs experience sponsoring patches
[23:33] <dtchen> it's like drinking sewage - you learn to weed out crackful bits