[14:58] <smartboyhw> balloons: http://sdrv.ms/ROS6Cz
[17:54] <s9iper1> beuno: hello
[18:13] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:13] <jjohansen> o/
[18:13] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:13] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:13] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug  6 18:13:28 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:13] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:13] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:13] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:14] <jdstrand> Thanks to the following individuals:
[18:14] <jdstrand> Felix Geyer (debfx) provided debdiffs for oneiric-precise for ruby-actionpack-2.3 (LP: #1030984)
[18:14] <jdstrand> Mike !McClurg (mike-mcclurg) provided a debdiff for precise for xen-api (LP: #1031375)
[18:14] <jdstrand> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[18:14] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:14] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:15] <jdstrand> so, I spent a *lot* of time on webkit and kde/archive admin stuff last week
[18:15] <jdstrand> the former is mostly done, but I need to follow up with some discussions, etc
[18:16] <jdstrand> the latter is done for now. There is more that can be done, but I don't have the stamina to do it atm
[18:16] <ScottK> :-)
[18:16] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place
[18:17] <jdstrand> I have a couple of MIR audits left, then after that, recruiting and back to pending updates
[18:17] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:17] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[18:17] <mdeslaur> just published the nvidia driver updates
[18:17] <mdeslaur> and now I'm looking at koffice and uhm...
[18:18] <mdeslaur> what's it called
[18:18] <mdeslaur> calligra?
[18:18] <mdeslaur> tomorrow, I'll be working on openoffice and libreoffice
[18:18] <mdeslaur> and will try and get to libxml too
[18:18] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[18:18] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: you're up
[18:18] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: thanks again for working on that mvidia issue
[18:18] <jdstrand> nvidia
[18:19]  * micahg wonders where he went
[18:19] <mdeslaur> np
[18:19] <tyhicks> micahg: go ahead
[18:19] <mdeslaur> hehe, I wasn't sure who was usually after steve
[18:19] <mdeslaur> sorry for aggravating your OCD :)
[18:19]  * jdstrand allows goes with longevity on team
[18:19] <micahg> I'm still working on webkit, hopefully will see the light at the end of the tunnel soon, I'm also SRUing a regression fix from the icedtea-web in natty/oneiric for sbeattie
[18:19] <jdstrand> that is the only way I can keep it straight :)
[18:20] <micahg> as well as the standard mozilla pretesting of the week
[18:20] <micahg> I think that's it for me
[18:20] <tyhicks> I'm covering triage this week for steve
[18:21] <tyhicks> My focus will be on updates and working a new eCryptfs data corruption bug
[18:22] <jdstrand> :\ how widespread is that?
[18:22] <tyhicks> It is intermittent and only happens when downloading really large files, so it will be a fun one :/
[18:22] <ScottK> How large is really large?
[18:22] <tyhicks> ScottK: I've only reproduced it with > 3G files
[18:22] <ScottK> OK.
[18:22] <tyhicks> jdstrand: Not too widespread. I've only seen one report on it.
[18:23] <ScottK> The concerned eCryptfs user sits back down.
[18:23] <tyhicks> It is very subtle, too. Only one or two bytes changed in the corrupted file.
[18:23] <tyhicks> (at least in the couple times that I was able to reproduce it)
[18:23] <kirkland> tyhicks: what bug # is that?
[18:23]  * tyhicks looks
[18:23] <jdstrand> tyhicks: let's talk outside of the meeting on how you are reproducing
[18:24] <tyhicks> bug 1027450
[18:24] <tyhicks> jdstrand: ack
[18:24] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[18:25] <jdstrand> jjohansen: you're up
[18:25] <jjohansen> I guess I'm up
[18:25] <jjohansen> I've got a couple of apparmor bugs to look into, cboltz's profile cache failing reported on the ml, and a no new privs issue from hallyn,
[18:25] <jjohansen> While I am at the no new privs issue, I'll also look into how to deal with that in stacking, it may require us to carry some information in the stack
[18:25] <jjohansen> I've got a qrt kernel security failure to finishing looking into
[18:25] <jjohansen> beyond that I'll be pushing out the 3rd iteration of the current patchset with the locking rework, and might include some of the perm remapping, profile hashing and stacking patches with it
[18:26] <jjohansen> jdstrand: back to you
[18:27] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:27] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/syscp.html
[18:27] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libhtml-template-pro-perl.html
[18:27] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/network-manager-openvpn.html
[18:27] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gridengine.html
[18:27] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ncpfs.html
[18:27] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:28] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:28] <jdstrand> I pasted the highlighted packages above
[18:28] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:28] <jdstrand> There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.
[18:28] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:28] <ScottK> \o
[18:28] <jdstrand> ScottK: go ahead
[18:29] <ScottK> The Calligra/KOffice issue is in an embedded copy of wv2.
[18:29] <ScottK> We also have a packaged wv2 that's significantly older.
[18:29] <ScottK> The code in the area of the fix is superficially similar, but the package doesn't build with the patch.
[18:30] <ScottK> I was wondering if when you're looking at Calligra/KOffice you might have a glance at wv2 and see if you think it's also relevant to it.
[18:30] <ScottK> ..
[18:30] <mdeslaur> it did look relevant at first glance
[18:30] <ScottK> (I was in a rush on saturday and heaved an updated wv2 at quantal.
[18:31] <ScottK> It FTBFS.
[18:31] <micahg> scottK: that looks like a gcc-4.7 failure
[18:31] <ScottK> OK.
[18:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:31] <ScottK> I'll see if I can find someone to help me with it.
[18:32] <ScottK> (that or remove the package, there aren't any users for the lib and it's dead upstream other than the embedded on in Calligra.
[18:33] <jdstrand> ScottK: thanks
[18:34] <jdstrand> any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:38] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen, ScottK: thanks!
[18:38] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug  6 18:38:06 2012 UTC.
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[18:38] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:38] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[18:39] <micahg> thanks jdstrand
[20:55] <kees> \o
[20:58]  * stgraber waves
[20:59] <soren> o/
[21:00] <soren> #startmeeting
[21:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug  6 21:00:27 2012 UTC.  The chair is soren.  Vacation and conferences and whatnot. :(
[21:02] <soren> #action Soren to finish brainstorm review
[21:02] <meetingology> ACTION: Soren to finish brainstorm review
[21:02] <soren> Anything else? Meetbot isn't very helpful from last meeting.
[21:03] <soren> Guess not.
[21:03] <soren> Gah, laggy connection. Crappy timing.
[21:03] <cjwatson> anything in IRC logs?
[21:03] <soren> Sorry guys.
[21:04]  * cjwatson has a quick look
[21:04] <soren> There's the thing abut gut 252368
[21:04] <soren> gut? bug!
[21:04] <soren> bug 252368
[21:04] <soren> It seems mdz was to follow up to the mailing list.
[21:05] <cjwatson> IMO this is low priority and we should stop caring
[21:05] <mdz> I didn't
[21:05] <mdz> OK with me
[21:05] <cjwatson> I can't understand why we're continuing to worry about it; there are many other more important things to do on LP
[21:05] <soren> Alright. Officially intentionally not going to carry this over.
[21:06] <cjwatson> I know we've been asked about it and there is some social importance to it
[21:06] <cjwatson> But there are lots of other things in a similar position
[21:06]  * cjwatson skim-reading last fortnight's logs
[21:06] <soren> I see no other action items
[21:07] <soren> Moving on
[21:07] <cjwatson> I don't see anything else carried over either
[21:07] <soren> #topic MRE for point release mythtv in LTS
[21:07] <soren> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-August/001357.html
[21:07] <soren> It wasn't added to the agenda, but I guess we can still discuss it.
[21:08] <soren> Is anyone here to represent this topic?
[21:08] <kees> I've been pretty happy with the process (I use MythTV myself).
[21:08] <stgraber> yeah, would be good to have this approved or rejected soon as they want to update mythtv for the 12.04.1 point release which is getting really close
[21:08] <kees> I've found upstream to be good about doing fixes only.
[21:09] <kees> I would be happy to approve a provisional MRE; though it would be nice if they had some kind of test suite.
[21:09] <soren> superm1: Just in time :)
[21:09] <stgraber> hey superm1
[21:09] <superm1> hi folks
[21:09] <stgraber> superm1: we're discussing your MRE request at the moment
[21:10] <stgraber> do you know what kind of testing is done upstream for their stable release? do they have any kind of automated testing or strong manual testing prior to release?
[21:10] <soren> (/msg'ed relevant scrollback)
[21:10] <superm1> stgraber: yeah soren just shared with the scrollback, thanks soren
[21:10] <soren> np
[21:10] <superm1> stgraber: they have automated build testing, but other than that it's strong manual testing prior to point releases
[21:11] <superm1> they heavily push the community to use their stable branch at all times when a problem comes up
[21:11] <soren> Do they have multiple branches, so this is a maintenance branch while there's another one where the dev focus is?
[21:12] <superm1> yes
[21:12] <superm1> they have a fixes branch for every major release
[21:12] <superm1> and a master branch for development
[21:12] <superm1> no new features come to the fixes branch for any of the releases for any reason, it's solely bug fixes
[21:13] <soren> How long are these branches usually maintained?
[21:13] <superm1> up until the next major release
[21:13] <soren> Is that time-based?
[21:13] <superm1> they're moving to time based now i believe
[21:13] <superm1> they were previously feature based (it'll be done when it's done)
[21:14] <superm1> but they're pushing features out for later releases if they're not going to be ready in time, and doing development in topic branches to merge
[21:14] <soren> Cool.
[21:15] <soren> I don't have any other questions.
[21:15] <soren> Anyone else?
[21:15] <superm1> and to be clear, this is just for asking for the micro releases of the 0.25 release (which only one is expected), i don't think it will be appropriate to push to 0.26 ever to -updates, only maybe -backports
[21:16] <soren> Oh, one more thing:
[21:17] <soren> Is this just a single source package or do we need a list somewhere?
[21:17] <cjwatson> It sounds reasonable enough to me
[21:17] <superm1> single source package
[21:17] <superm1> it used to be multiple source packages, but was a mess to sync up with archive skew
[21:18] <soren> Cool.
[21:18] <soren> Alright.
[21:18] <soren> #vote Approve MRE for MythTV
[21:18] <meetingology> Please vote on: Approve MRE for MythTV
[21:18] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[21:18] <soren> +1
[21:18] <meetingology> +1 received from soren
[21:18] <stgraber> +1
[21:18] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[21:19] <soren> mdz, kees:
[21:19] <mdz> +1
[21:19] <meetingology> +1 received from mdz
[21:19] <soren> Going once..
[21:19] <soren> Going twice
[21:20] <soren> #endvote
[21:20] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Approve MRE for MythTV
[21:20] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:20] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:20] <superm1> great, thanks guys
[21:20] <stgraber> superm1: FWIW I'm also granting you a 12.04.1 exception, so if you want it in the point release, please make sure it's uploaded ASAP
[21:20] <superm1> stgraber: it's in the queue, just needs accepting
[21:20] <soren> Lovely.
[21:20] <soren> Moving on.
[21:21] <soren> #topic check up on community bugs
[21:21] <soren> So, given our discussion earlier, I'm going to go ahead an unassing us from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/252368
[21:22] <soren> As for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375
[21:22] <mdz> I'm having network issues right now
[21:22] <mdz> lagging a lot
[21:23] <soren> I'm not sure what we need to discuss here still.
[21:24] <soren> I guess I'm not the only one.
[21:24] <cjwatson> We still need to get ubuntu-release-nominators out of ubuntu-release somehow; that team is a hack
[21:25] <cjwatson> To some extent we've just moved the problem (albeit to somewhere less damaging)
[21:26] <soren> I guess I'm not actually clear on what *we* are meant to do here.
[21:26] <cjwatson> Specify what should be done on behalf of Ubuntu
[21:26] <cjwatson> I think I might be able to take an action to progress this
[21:27] <cjwatson> Since I think I understand both the security model we want and the relevant bits of LP code
[21:27] <soren> Perfect!
[21:28] <soren> Given that the individual stakeholders are who they are, it seems a bit awkward for us to have to drive it.
[21:28] <cjwatson> But I currently have a toddler sitting on my lap so not so much right now
[21:28] <soren> Well, this too has been sitting in LP for years.
[21:29] <soren> Another day won't matter much.
[21:29] <soren> Great.
[21:29] <soren> #action cjwatson to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375
[21:29] <meetingology> ACTION: cjwatson to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375
[21:29] <cjwatson> We can't in general assume that the LP team understands what Ubuntu wants to get out of their security model - we have to tell them
[21:30] <cjwatson> And the TB is the owner of the Ubuntu object in LP
[21:30] <soren> cjwatson: Understood. I was rather thinking it would be delegated to the stakeholders on the Ubuntu side.
[21:30] <cjwatson> Please no
[21:30] <soren> ..but if you're doing it, we're covered for sure.
[21:30] <cjwatson> We understand it better :)
[21:31] <soren> Very well.
[21:31] <cjwatson> The stakeholders are liaisons, not necessarily decision-makers
[21:31] <cjwatson> (With that hat on, anyway)
[21:31] <cjwatson> (Or at least that's how I understand it)
[21:32] <soren> Well, we'd certainly have final say in it, but it's hard for us as a group to actually drive this issue forward.
[21:32] <soren> But this is all academic since you've accepted the action item :)
[21:32] <cjwatson> Yes; but nobody else really can either :)
[21:32] <cjwatson> Yeah
[21:32] <soren> #topic Any other business?
[21:32] <cjwatson> We made excellent progress on it a while back in an in-person TB meeting, actually - we just haven't finished the job
[21:33] <cjwatson> Nothing else from me
[21:33] <mdz> none here
[21:33] <soren> Who's the next chair? stgraber?
[21:33] <stgraber> sounds right
[21:33] <soren> #info Next meeting is set for Aug 20th, 2100 UTC. Chair is stgraber
[21:34] <soren> #endmeeting
[21:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug  6 21:34:04 2012 UTC.
[21:34] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-06-21.00.moin.txt
[21:34] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-06-21.00.html
[21:34] <soren> Thanks everyone.


[09:19] <nebuchadnezzar> hello
[11:00] <nebuchadnezzar> I'm preseeding trusty installation with a partman recipe but I do not find information to use tmpfs for /tmp


[16:29] <liw> I guess we're about to start, so... hi
[16:29] <robbiew> hi
[16:29] <robbiew> :)
[16:29]  * mvo__ waves
[16:30] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[16:30]  * robbiew just realized there's a meeting here in 30min...so short meeting today :)
[16:30] <cjwatson> afternoon
[16:30] <evand> hi-ya
[16:30]  * slangasek waves
[16:30] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:30] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:30. The chair is robbiew.
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[16:30] <robbiew> sorry for not sending out an agenda
[16:31] <TheMuso> np
[16:31] <robbiew> been trying to muddle through the email and action items from the past two sprints
[16:31] <robbiew> I'm thinking with FF tomorrow, we can probably go around the "room"
[16:31] <robbiew> to see if anyone has any issues
[16:31] <robbiew> or concerncs
[16:32] <robbiew> concerns
[16:32] <robbiew> liw: does computer janitor look good?
[16:32] <liw> robbiew, not entirely -- I am not sure I will get the UI changes done before FF :( (I've spent most of today fighting my laptop, but that's not an excuse, I should've done that UI changes much earlier)
[16:33] <liw> robbiew, other than that, c-j is looking reasonably good, we're preparing c-j and update-manager uploads with mvo for tonight
[16:33] <robbiew> liw: okay, thanks.  will c-j be installed automatically in Jaunty?
[16:34] <robbiew> ie, by default
[16:34] <liw> robbiew, nope; the ubuntu-desktop mailing list vetoed that
[16:34] <robbiew> hmm...ok
[16:34] <robbiew> that's unfortunate
[16:34] <cjwatson> eek, first I heard of that
[16:34] <robbiew> but not in our control
[16:34] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2009-February/001951.html
[16:34] <robbiew> when did the "veto" occur?
[16:35] <cjwatson> that doesn't seem to be as strong as a veto
[16:35] <liw> cjwatson, should I have escalated it to you after pitti was negative?
[16:35] <cjwatson> probably not necessary, I was just a bit surprised
[16:36] <liw> cjwatson, hmm, I asked pitti further questions on irc, and didn't get a sense of a possibility of a change to a positive result... perhaps I should've pushed harder
[16:36] <cjwatson> if it's part of update-manager, then perhaps the facility can be on the system but not exposed in the UI by default, and that would make it easy to run after upgrades
[16:36] <robbiew> cjwatson: +1
[16:37] <liw> the plugin mechanism is going to be in u-m tonight, and some of the plugins will be shared; the c-j ui and some other plugins will be in a different package, and not installed by default
[16:37] <mvo__> isn't it a tool that should be run in the middle of the life-cycle of distro use? I mean, update-manager tries to tidy up during the upgrade
[16:37] <robbiew> liw: so will it be used as Martin suggested in u-m?
[16:37] <cjwatson> but I agree with Lars that not all of this is going to make sense purely after upgrades
[16:37] <cjwatson> liw: what date was the IRC discussion, so I can go back and review the logs?
[16:38] <liw> cjwatson, let me grep
[16:39] <robbiew> ok...moving on
[16:39] <robbiew> evand: any concerns/issues/problems/complaints..etc :)
[16:40] <robbiew> should I take silence as a "no"?
[16:40] <evand> robbiew: No really major concerns or issues.  The oem ID stuff is basically done, I just need to rip out the old code.  jaunty-ubiquity-usability is mostly done there's just a few minor items that I might be able to knock off, and I've been keen to get some last minute suggestions from mpt in.  The slideshow work was deferred as Julian's team didn't have time for it.
[16:41] <robbiew> cool
[16:41] <robbiew> thnx
[16:41] <robbiew> slideshow work deferred yet again...:(
[16:41] <evand> I'm also hoping to get one more usb-creator upload in, then beg for a freeze exception later in the week for add/remove programs functionality in it that I almost have done
[16:41] <evand> indeed :(
[16:41] <robbiew> at least it's not our fault ;)
[16:41] <robbiew> heh...ok
[16:41] <evand> but Julian is pushing hard to get time for it, as far as I could tell from our sprint conversation
[16:42] <robbiew> evand: ok, so I guess we'll put in on the plate for 9.10
[16:42] <evand> great
[16:42] <robbiew> cjwatson: I have the updates from you...anything you want to add?
[16:43] <cjwatson> right, you have it by mail, but for the record
[16:43] <cjwatson> my biggest concern from last week was manual package selection in the installer; that should now be done modulo bugs, as per mail to ubuntu-devel@
[16:43] <cjwatson> there are still a couple of small things that I want to hoover up, but am being slightly impeded by local infrastructure (mirror run ran out of disk last night and is taking a while to fix itself up)
[16:44] <robbiew> doh!
[16:44] <robbiew> ok
[16:44] <cjwatson> those are task selection in oem-config, and a password strength checker in the installer
[16:44] <cjwatson> but I have code written for those and just need to test
[16:44] <robbiew> ok
[16:45] <robbiew> doko: python 2.6/3.0 work looking good?
[16:46] <robbiew> ok..
[16:46] <robbiew> will follow up on that later
[16:46] <robbiew> mvo: any concerns?
[16:47] <mvo> stuff looks good, the computer-janitor merge is the biggest outstand issue
[16:47] <mvo> the not-automatic branch changes that I talked about at the sprint with slangasek and cjwatson will not make it :/
[16:48] <mvo> (we do not have a "propper" spec for it, just discussed it informally)
[16:48]  * robbiew doesn't even recall hearing about it
[16:48] <mvo>  /end
[16:48] <mvo> :)
[16:48] <doko> robbiew: it does look ok, but I won't upload it today. The rebuilding will definietely take longer than until Thursday.
[16:49] <slangasek> robbiew: that's about letting users have -proposed enabled but not automatically pulling in everything from proposed by default
[16:49] <slangasek> (and -backports)
[16:49] <robbiew> slangasek: ah...ok, thanks
[16:49] <robbiew> doko: so when do you expect to upload?
[16:49] <mvo> the remaining problem is that apt is not clever (at all) when its about resolving dependencies from not-automatic source (i.e. it does not resolve them :/
[16:49] <doko> tonight, or tomorrow morning
[16:50] <robbiew> mvo: ok
[16:50] <robbiew> doko: ah, ok..thanks!
[16:50] <robbiew> james_w: still around?
[16:50] <robbiew> I know he had to skoot to the airport....
[16:51] <robbiew> TheMuso: I know you don't have any "features", but how is dmraid/accessibility/audio looking...any concerns?
[16:52] <TheMuso> No concerns, thers a chance I may have dmraid on the live CD, which users have been asking for, but I am not phased one way or the other if it makes it or not. Dmraid and ubiquity seem to behaving together, the issue currently is whether we activate arrays by default, and if not, where do we ask the question. Atm I am working on not activating by default, and asking at the usplash stage of live CD bootup.
[16:53] <TheMuso> Pulseaudio and alsa are in "pull fixes from git" mode, and should stay that way till release as bugs come up.
[16:53] <TheMuso> Accessibility works again for only-ubiquity mode, which I am pleased about, as well as for the live CD.
[16:53] <robbiew> great..thanks for the update
[16:54] <TheMuso> Still waiting on portaudio19 to be completely transitioned from universe, but everything shyould be in place for that.
[16:54] <TheMuso> Since espeak + alsa works somewhat nicer, especially now that portaudio19 has a patch to better work with pulseaudio.
[16:54] <TheMuso> Once that change is made, I can remove hacks in gnome-speech to make espeak work via pulseaudio.
[16:55] <robbiew> TheMuso: ok
[16:55] <robbiew> slangasek: last 5min for you :) (I know Keybuk's status all too well)
[16:56] <Keybuk> *must*boot*faster*
[16:56] <Keybuk> though I should probably ask slangasek about a standing feature freeze exception for boot performance work
[16:57] <slangasek> still trying to get the grub2 spec in some semblance of order, unfortunately; the good news is that most of the design is in place (AIUI grub-installer can already be forced to install grub2, which is what we want), and most of the rest is really bugfixes that don't need excepted
[16:57] <slangasek> should have the spec available for approval within the hour - was going to have it yesterday, but lost a couple hours of draft when my laptop decided not to resume :(
[16:57] <robbiew> slangasek: ok..
[16:57] <robbiew> ouch
[16:57] <robbiew> did you bug the kernel guys? :)
[16:58] <slangasek> no, there was nothing debuggable
[16:58] <robbiew> ah..damn
[16:58] <robbiew> ok
[16:58] <slangasek> anyway, hotkey stuff is looking good - no sweeping changes to make there
[16:59] <slangasek> and samba got a new upstream version drop earlier this week; openldap should have the same yet today, I think
[16:59] <slangasek> that's all from me
[16:59]  * mvo expects compiz 0.8 this week too
[16:59] <robbiew> mvo: is it faster? :P
[16:59] <robbiew> joking
[16:59] <mvo> heh :)
[16:59] <Keybuk> seriously
[17:00] <Keybuk> compiz takes a third of the boot chart now :)
[17:00] <robbiew> slangasek: is the power management work FF dependent?...is it still going to make this release?
[17:00] <mvo> Keybuk: I'm happy (well, maybe not happy, but..) to look into this after FF
[17:00] <Keybuk> mvo: I shall give you a hand
[17:01] <cjwatson> oh, I missed one thing, I think I might be able to land LVM support in Kickstart
[17:01] <cjwatson> (sorry to interrupt) that was off-spec but a lot of people have asked for it
[17:01] <slangasek> robbiew: AFAIK the actionable power management cleanup is "spot the bits that aren't used and chop them off" - there's a mailing list discussion about powernowd, which if we decide we can drop that, I think warrants a freeze exception
[17:01] <robbiew> cjwatson: ha! cool
[17:01] <robbiew> slangasek: ok...sounds good
[17:01] <slangasek> (freeze exception> because it makes the CDs smaller! Whoo!)
[17:01] <robbiew> lol
[17:02] <Keybuk> slangasek: we should be able to drop that now
[17:02] <Keybuk> Tim merged my kernel patches
[17:02] <robbiew> ok...I think we're going into another meeting timeslot
[17:02] <Keybuk> so all the governors and drivers are just compiled into the kernel (as of 8.24) and the kernel will pick one
[17:02] <slangasek> Keybuk: are we confident to make the call that powernowd isn't needed as a fallback?
[17:02] <Keybuk> well s/now/when 8.24 is uploaded/
[17:02] <Keybuk> slangasek: powernowd can't do anything without a scaling driver
[17:02] <Keybuk> so I'm not sure what kind of fallback you're thinking of ;)
[17:02] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[17:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:02.
[17:03] <heno> thanks robbiew
[17:03] <mvo> thanks!
[17:03] <evand> thanks!
[17:03] <TheMuso> thanks
[17:03] <slangasek> Keybuk: the one where 'ondemand' doesn't work, which is the fallback set up in the init script?
[17:03] <liw> thanks
[17:03] <robbiew> heno: sorry about that
[17:03] <slangasek> thanks all :)
[17:03] <heno> Permit me to transition with a reference to http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/ubuntu-foundations-assigned-bug-tasks.html ;)
[17:03] <robbiew> heh
[17:04] <heno> We've made to for you guys, please use it! :)
[17:04] <cjwatson> incentive for me to unassign more of the bugs that have been assigned to me since we moved from bugzilla ;-)
[17:04] <heno> cjwatson: absolutely
[17:05] <heno> these lists are only useful if they are realistic
[17:05]  * heno waves to the QA team
[17:05]  * ara waves
[17:05] <heno> everyone ready?
[17:05]  * cgregan waves
[17:05] <bdmurray> aye!
[17:06] <pedro_> hey hey
[17:06] <fader_> Yo
[17:06] <jcozens> Hi.
[17:06] <sbeattie> hey
[17:06] <cr3> ready red rooster
[17:07]  * ogasawara waves
[17:07] <heno> schwuk, davmor2: meeting ping
[17:07] <heno> #startmeeting
[17:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:07. The chair is heno.
[17:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:07] <davmor2> hello
[17:07] <heno> Welcome all!
[17:07] <heno> agenda as usual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:08] <schwuk> heno: sorry - was on phone
[17:08] <heno> [TOPIC] Monday 23rd, new features testing day
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Monday 23rd, new features testing day
[17:08] <ara> that's mine
[17:08] <ara> Next Monday we are having a new testing day
[17:09] <ara> We will test some new features for Jaunty, now that we are reaching FF
[17:09] <ara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20090223
[17:09] <ara> We are going to test screen-profiles, LVM partitions in the debian installer and netbook usb images
[17:09] <heno> I see it's been well-advertised on planet already
[17:10] <pedro_> \o/
[17:10] <cr3> hm, I should be adding automated lvm testing
[17:10] <heno> schwuk, cr3: we should test the new checkbox features too
[17:11] <ara> so, please, if you want to find cool new bugs, join us next Monday
[17:11] <cr3> ara: can I add Checkbox to your wiki page?
[17:11] <heno> can we get those cases added to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ as we go along too?
[17:11] <ara> cr3, heno: could we test checkbox the following Monday?
[17:11] <davmor2> meh
[17:12] <heno> I guess peoole will be doing some free form testing, but it would be good to capture that
[17:12] <cr3> hm, maybe Checkbox should have tests for itself :)
[17:12] <ara> heno: sure
[17:12] <heno> ara: following Monday> I'm happy with that
[17:13] <ara> heno: I could add to the wiki page that people willing to contribute to the testcases page are more than welcome
[17:13] <davmor2> Yes after main testing for a5 sound good
[17:13] <heno> Unfortunately I'm away on Monday (and this Friday)
[17:13] <ara> Unfortunately? you should be glad!
[17:13] <heno> ara: that's great, thanks
[17:14] <heno> ara: but I'll miss the testing day! ;)
[17:14] <heno> [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights
[17:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  UbuntuBugDay highlights
[17:14] <pedro_> I've add that
[17:15] <pedro_> Last Thursday we had the new bugs without a package hug day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090212
[17:15] <pedro_> we had a good participation from the community, thanks everybody!
[17:15] <pedro_> and specially thanks to mangilimic who did a lot of work during that hug day
[17:16] <pedro_> and to mrkanister for creating the page
[17:16] <pedro_> both folks are truly rockstars ;-)
[17:16] <heno> \o/
[17:16] <pedro_> and tomorrow we have the Network Manager Applet hug day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090219 so don't miss it
[17:16] <pedro_> mangilimic already started to do some work
[17:17] <davmor2> :)
[17:17] <bdmurray> I stuck some bugs with patches in there too
[17:17] <bdmurray> or a section with them
[17:18] <heno> bdmurray, pedro_: is asac aware of those?
[17:18] <pedro_> bdmurray: great!, should we put that as a recommendation to the bug day lists?
[17:18] <heno> (he is now I guess)
[17:18] <bdmurray> pedro_: I think so yes
[17:18] <pedro_> bdmurray: perfect i'll edit the wiki page then
[17:19] <heno> Have we decided on a topic for next week
[17:19] <pedro_> heno: he's always around in #ubuntu-bugs  ;-)
[17:19] <bdmurray> there's a --patch option for bugnumbers so its trivial to add them
[17:19] <heno> pedro_ is away next week
[17:19] <pedro_> oh that, I'm away next week
[17:19] <heno> pedro_: ok, cool
[17:20] <heno> (about him being in #u-b)
[17:20] <pedro_> and there's supposed to be an apport-failed-retrace hug day
[17:20] <bdmurray> pedro_: that's a tag right?
[17:21] <pedro_> bdmurray: correct, but maybe the triagers are going to need more help looking at those bugs
[17:21] <bdmurray> won't a fair number of them be private?
[17:22] <pedro_> i don't know how many people know how to read backtraces and so on
[17:22] <davmor2> bdmurray: if that's the case won't the only people with access be bug-control anyway?
[17:23] <pedro_> bdmurray: yes, i was thinking in doing some pre triage, for marking them as public
[17:23] <pedro_> not all, but probably a ~100
[17:23] <heno> persia: you've held a class on reading traces AFAIR - could you be available for a bug day like this?
[17:24]  * persia reads context
[17:24] <bdmurray> looking at it there are probably enough public ones
[17:24] <persia> Could it be a Monday?
[17:24] <heno> The alternative is to run a server bug day - they have requested we do one
[17:25] <bdmurray> heno: I don't think they have any reference material for us yet
[17:25] <persia> If so, I'd even be willing to do two stack reading sessions, 12 hours apart to help people use those bugs.
[17:25] <pedro_> heno: regarding that i've contacted mathiaz and i'm waiting for his response
[17:25] <heno> persia: we've got a good rythm of running them on Thursdays and testing days on Mondays
[17:26] <heno> bdmurray, pedro_: ok
[17:26] <pedro_> should we go for the other target then? the flashplugin-nonfree product
[17:27] <pedro_> that's the next one on the list
[17:27] <persia> Thursday is much less good for me: I can be around some, but could probably only do one session.
[17:27] <bdmurray> If the retrace failed what are the possible courses of action?
[17:27] <heno> persia: ok, thanks. We could refer to logs of your previous sessions too
[17:29] <persia> bdmurray, If the retrace failed, it's usually mostly hopeless, although if someone can get a similar environment, they can run apport-retrace locally and sometimes recover.
[17:29] <bdmurray> Right, in which I'm not sure how much instruction is needed
[17:29] <heno> pedro_: your call - looks like either option will be fine
[17:30] <heno> in any case - can we get some support from others to be around on that day - bdmurray, ogasawara, sbeattie, fader?
[17:31] <ogasawara> yup, I'll be around
[17:31] <bdmurray> the 26th? yes
[17:31] <sbeattie> I'll be around as well.
[17:31] <fader> I'll be here
[17:31] <heno> ok great :)
[17:31] <pedro_> heno: ok let's stick with the schedule then and go for the apport-failed-retracer one ;-)
[17:32] <heno> settled :)
[17:32] <heno> [TOPIC] Checkbox PPA - schwuk
[17:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Checkbox PPA - schwuk
[17:32] <schwuk> We have checkbox PPA now:
[17:33] <davmor2> Short and to the point nice :)
[17:33] <schwuk> https://launchpad.net/~checkbox-dev/+archive/ppa
[17:33] <heno> featuring the suspend-resume test script
[17:33] <heno> (and other cool changes :)
[17:34] <schwuk> The 0.5 package is in Jaunty, but we're going to use the PPA to publish development/testing versions between releases.
[17:34] <ara> schwuk: is 0.5 the final release in Jaunty?
[17:35] <schwuk> There won't be much difference between the packages in there and Jaunty right now (apart from the suspend-resume script), but after FeatureFreeze we'll be using the PPA to get new features tested.
[17:35] <davmor2> schwuk: will this be more for testing and development than general usage for joe public?
[17:35] <schwuk> ara: 0.6 will be the final release.
[17:35] <schwuk> (for FF)
[17:35] <schwuk> davmor2: Depends. We have Intrepid and Hardy packages in there for 0.5, so that might of use by Joe Public.
[17:36] <davmor2> okay cool
[17:36] <cr3> ara: you'll be pleased to know I'll be pushing policykit support at the finishing line for ff
[17:36] <schwuk> 0.6 will have a number of new features :)
[17:36] <ara> cr3: \o/
[17:37] <heno> great, thanks schwuk, cr3
[17:37] <schwuk> But whether you're using Jaunty or not, please try out the packages in the PPA and give us some feedback.
[17:37] <schwuk> Thanks heno.
[17:37] <heno> [TOPIC] Launchpad Greasemonkey - prefilled descriptions?
[17:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Launchpad Greasemonkey - prefilled descriptions?
[17:37] <davmor2> cr3: does checkbox have a bluetooth test?  Cause bluetooth has been really sucky since intrepid
[17:38] <cr3> davmor2: nope, let me check if there's already a bug for that
[17:39] <bdmurray> Hi, so I wrote a new greasemonkey script for the OEM team that prefills the bug description.  You can see a screenshot at http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/greasemonkey/prefilled-description.png.
[17:39] <bdmurray> Anyway, I wonder if this would be useful for Ubuntu too.  I'm not quite sure the people using the greasemonkey scripts are the same people who need the description prefilled.
[17:39] <sbeattie> bdmurray: nice.
[17:40] <heno> where are the canned texts stored?
[17:40] <cr3> davmor2: created bug #331132
[17:40] <bdmurray> In the script itself.
[17:41] <ara> bdmurray, sbeattie: btw, thanks for the update on the firefox plugin: neat!
[17:42] <bdmurray> ara: thanks, it was a lot of fun
[17:43] <bdmurray> I guess it can't hurt to have the prefilled description script in the bzr tree - does the prefilled description seem reasonable?
[17:44] <heno> the best would be if casual bug filers got that template
[17:44] <heno> is that too much to ask of the LP team?
[17:45] <davmor2> heno: is there a lp bug about it?
[17:45] <bdmurray> its worth a shot I don't think there is a bug about it
[17:46] <heno> at least for bus without a package ...
[17:46] <heno> bdmurray: can you file one?
[17:46] <bdmurray> heno: of course
[17:46] <heno> The template seems fine, fwiw
[17:46] <heno> but getting it to the right audience is indeed the trick
[17:48] <bdmurray> that's all I had about that
[17:49] <heno> bdmurray: this is not in firefox-launchpad-plugin right, but in the greasemonkey collection?
[17:49] <heno> in qa-tools
[17:49] <bdmurray> heno: well, it's in launchpad-gm-scripts but yes not in the plugin
[17:50] <heno> ok, thanks bdmurray
[17:50] <heno> AOB?
[17:51] <davmor2> Anyone got pcmcia card and slot, is it hot pluggable or not?
[17:51] <fader> davmor2: I know they're supposed to be hot-pluggable, but I don't have a card to test
[17:52] <davmor2> fader: that's the problem I have here :(
[17:52] <heno> that reminds me - http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com is looking in good shape now! thanks davmor2, fader and schwuk!
[17:52] <sbeattie> davmor2: what do you need tested.
[17:52] <heno> davmor2: I might have some I can send you
[17:52] <heno> old modems and such
[17:53] <davmor2> heno: I don't have a lappy with pcmcia
[17:53] <heno> oh, ok
[17:53] <sbeattie> davmor2: I've got both; I could even send you a pci->pcmcia bridge. :-)
[17:53] <fader> davmor2: I have an older laptop with two pcmcia slots
[17:54] <davmor2> sbeattie: I just need to know what happens when you add the device is it auto reckonised and used automatically or do you have to tinker to get it up
[17:54] <fader> I actually planned to order a wifi card for it... this gives me an excuse :)
[17:55] <sbeattie> davmor2: it's generally auto-recognized and used automatically.
[17:56] <davmor2> Cool so norm is a wifi card plug in and click on n-m select wifi connection
[17:56] <davmor2> should work
[17:56] <davmor2> sbeattie: ^
[17:56] <heno> ok, let's wrap up.
[17:56] <heno> thanks everyone!
[17:56] <heno> #endmeeting
[17:56] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:56.
[17:57] <ara> thanks!
[17:57] <davmor2> ta
[17:57] <sbeattie> davmor2: it should; mind you, I tend not to rely on n-m. But yeah, it just appears as another network device.
[17:57] <ara> one question? are we finally sending summaries?
[17:57] <ara> of these meetings?
[17:57] <davmor2> sbeattie: Ta I'll write that one up after then :)
[17:59] <heno> ara: we should on http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:00] <heno> any takers for that? ^
[18:00]  * davmor2 runs as quickly as possible
[18:01] <ara> heno: I'll do that