[02:04] <lnx-e> hi every one
[14:36] <ansgar> bdmurray: Hi. Could you renew my membership in bug-control? I still look after bugs of packages I maintain in Debian from time to time. (My Launchpad ID is aburch.)
[14:40] <hggdh> ansgar: on it
[14:40] <hggdh> ansgar: done, thank you
[14:42] <ansgar> hggdh: Thanks.
[14:51] <eugene_P> Hello everyone. Where should I report mistake found in one of Raring Cadence Week testcases?
[14:58] <hggdh> eugene_P: the best place is at #ubuntu-quality, this is where the test people live
[14:59] <eugene_P> hggdh, thanks
[14:59] <hggdh> yw
[17:19] <melodie> hello
[17:21] <melodie> I have noticed in the package ubiquity-frontend-gtk in the desktop file a line "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;UNITY;"
[17:21] <melodie> I was remastering a Lubuntu installed and configured freshly, for a private use, with Ubuntu Builder
[17:22] <melodie> this line in the desktop file prevented ubiquity launcher to be in the menus, of course, so I added "LXDE" in it.
[17:23] <melodie> Now, what about doing precisely the contrary ? remove this line and use "NotShowIn=KDE;" instead ?
[17:23] <mitya57> sounds reasonable
[17:24] <melodie> is there someone here (you?) who could bring this idea to where it could be used ? :)
[17:25] <mitya57> melodie: I think you should submit a patch/merge proposal and get it reviewed by Ubiquity developers
[17:25] <melodie> I don't know how to do that
[17:26] <melodie> and even when going to submit a bug report the first job each time is to find the wonderful page where to start...
[17:26] <mitya57> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[17:26] <melodie> I look, thank you
[17:27] <melodie> I didn't need this page, but thanks anyway
[17:28] <mitya57> maybe xnox knows what was the point of having OnlyShowIn there
[17:30] <melodie> mitya57 it's ok, I'll try to submit it as a wish or such
[17:30] <melodie> mitya57 would you have the knowledge to explain me exactly what a blueprint is ?
[17:32] <xnox> mitya57: hello, what where who?
[17:32] <mitya57> melodie: https://launchpad.net/+tour/feature-tracking
[17:33] <xnox> melodie: yes NotShowIn=KDE makes sense.
[17:33] <melodie> thank you xnox
[17:33] <xnox> melodie: the usage of OnlyShowIn in ubiquity is very old, at the time there was no "NotShowIn".
[17:33] <melodie> xnox I understand
[17:34] <mitya57> xnox: hello btw :) and thanks
[17:36] <melodie> I just have to find the page where to start a new bug report. I have saught for a similar one but didn't find any
[17:37] <xnox> melodie: pushed a fix to lp:ubiquity will be part of the next release.
[17:37] <xnox> thanks for pointing this out.
[17:38] <mitya57> melodie: for future: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug
[17:40] <melodie> xnox so I don't need to go to bug reports ? great, thank you !
[17:41] <melodie> mitya57 yes, thank you, I'll keep the link
[17:43] <xnox> melodie: ubuntu-bug $pkg-name from command line works as well.
[17:44] <melodie> I don't use Ubuntu all the time
[17:44] <melodie> I have done a link/desktop file to find it easily next time
[17:45] <melodie> xnox which next release will it be ? ubiquity-frontend-gtk for all ubuntu versions or for the next Ubuntu stable release ?
[17:57] <xnox> melodie: next upload into raring.
[17:58] <xnox> melodie: this is not worth the hassle as an sru into precise.
[17:58] <xnox> melodie: and quantal does not have point releases / updated images, so installer sru's there are pointless.
[17:59] <xnox> melodie: one can easily override .desktop file following FreeDesktop spec guidelines, so locally in your build you can change it.
[17:59] <melodie> yes sure, I just wanted to ask the question; thanks again
[18:54] <hggdh> ah, perfect. Now I cannot login to Launchpad anymore :-(
[19:42] <melodie> bye


[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:15] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:15] <EriC^^> good morning lordievader ducasse
[07:15] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^ ducasse
[07:15] <lordievader> How are you all?
[07:15] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, lordievader - all going well?
[07:16] <ducasse> ok here, lordievader
[07:16] <EriC^^> good you? lordievader ducasse
[07:16] <lordievader> Doing alright here :D
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:50] <JimBunbtu> g'morn
[11:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBunbtu
[13:16] <pauljw> hi everyone
[13:21] <jink> Hi Paul.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Hey pauljw
[13:53] <pauljw> hi jink, BluesKaj :)
[16:21] <nicomachus> nacc: yes I dropped unity on 16.04.
[16:22] <nacc> nicomachus: it was a bug :)
[16:22] <nacc> nicomachus: fwiw
[16:22] <nacc> compiz migrated when it shouldn't have
[16:22] <nacc> (as it required unity to be rebuilt)
[16:22] <nicomachus> huh
[16:22] <nacc> upgrade wouldn't have done it, but a dist-upgrade would have (as its allowed to remove broken packages)
[16:23] <nacc> thanks to your message, we caught it after only a few hours :)
[16:23] <nicomachus> I did a full-upgrade
[16:24]  * daftykins never runs standard 'apt upgrade' s
[16:24] <nicomachus> same
[16:24] <nicomachus> it's always 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade'
[16:25] <daftykins> still got a couple of machines on 14.04 so i can't use all the features of apt and have to mix it with apt-get still :<
[16:26] <nicomachus> Huh. paste.ubuntu.com has a new disclaimer at the top of the page...
[16:26] <daftykins> o rly
[16:27] <nicomachus> nacc: updating my rpi now for the first time in a week or so. still autoremoving a lot of the python packages that my laptop removed yesterday, but not the unity packages (it has MATE installed): https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xBY4DR35Sd/
[16:27] <nicomachus> daftykins: This site is intended for use as a short-term exchange of pasted information between parties. All submitted data is considered public information. Submitted data is not guaranteed to be permanent, and may be removed at any time. Please do not set up programs to send data to this site in an automated fashion; it is intended to be used directly by humans.
[16:28] <daftykins> well well, so they're actually gonna start removing things eh?
[16:28] <daftykins> believe it when i (don't) see it
[16:28] <nicomachus> there's a new dropdown selection for expiration date, too
[16:28] <daftykins> ooh very nice
[16:28] <daftykins> i love that about Nextcloud, if i share a pic to you i can make it expire at midnight
[16:28] <nicomachus> "None, A Day, A Week, A Month, A Year" with an additional exclaimer of: Paste expirations (or lack thereof) are approximate and not guaranteed
[16:29] <daftykins> hah
[16:30] <nicomachus> I wonder how many archived, useful posts on AskUbuntu and StackExchage are going to be destroyed by that
[16:30] <nacc> nicomachus: full/dist same
[16:30] <nacc> nicomachus: yeah the latter case is what we expected
[16:31] <daftykins> mmm i still type dist-upgrade tbh
[16:31] <daftykins> should really move on from that habit, but eh
[16:31] <nacc> yeah for apt it's the same
[16:54] <daftykins> heh i've got an ancient WD Caviar SE 250GB drive in one of my ubuntu servers, it has a 7.2 year power on time
[16:54] <daftykins> still totally clean SMART
[17:03] <nicomachus> nacc: how do I change a wiki page?
[17:03] <nicomachus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome
[17:03] <nicomachus> this page lists the wrong IRC channel
[17:03] <nicomachus> they ahve the support channel as ##folding, but it's #fah
[17:04] <nacc> nicomachus: login first
[17:04] <nacc> then edit it?
[17:04] <nacc> nicomachus: you need to be in the right team to have permission, iirc
[17:04] <nicomachus> oh.
[17:08] <ducasse> nicomachus: you need to be in the wiki-editors team
[17:08] <nacc> ducasse: thanks
[17:11] <nicomachus> well, #fah just directed me to a separate forum. Doesn't seem to be an IRC support channel.
[17:12] <nacc> heh
[17:34] <nicomachus> I think that folding at home should be easier to install than this...
[17:34] <nicomachus> the stanford page lists 3 .deb packages. 1 installs fine, the other 2 depend on deprecated packages.
[17:34] <nicomachus> the Ubuntu wiki lists 4 different installers, all abandoned or non-working
[17:36] <daftykins> :O
[17:36] <daftykins> you after a space heater or something? :)
[17:37] <nicomachus> Just figured I'd go with the light process and do my part.... but it's not that easy apparently.
[17:37] <nicomachus> I have a PC at home that's always running but that I only use about an hour a day. Might as well do some good.
[17:38] <daftykins> hmm
[17:45] <ducasse> afternoon, daftykins - all going well?
[17:48] <daftykins> heyup \o
[18:00] <creativ3> Anyone else having problems with Oracle VirtualBox through the software center? (it freezes when I click run).
[18:00] <nicomachus> creativ3: this isn't a support channel. try #ubuntu
[18:01] <daftykins> creativ3: also you appear to be running Mint, not Ubuntu - and no they're not the same :)
[18:01] <creativ3> daftykins: How can you see that btw?
[18:02] <daftykins> it's magic
[18:02] <nicomachus><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:02] <nicomachus> oh. sorry. right, magic
[18:03] <daftykins> :)
[18:04] <creativ3> Pretty new to linux and IRC. Would like to know how to see these things here.
[18:05] <nicomachus> creativ3: when you log into IRC it lists your hostname and IP, unless cloaked (see #freenode for more info). Yours is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>you can see it yourself by typing '/whois creativ3'
[18:06] <creativ3> Thank you. How can I cloak this info?
[18:06] <nicomachus> '/join #freenode' and ask them.
[18:06] <daftykins> it is wrong to hide what distro you are running in order to get help elsewhere, just so you know
[18:07] <nicomachus> also true.
[18:07] <creativ3> daftykins: I have heard mint and ubuntu are the same, and I was not getting any help on the other mint chat. I apologize.
[18:07] <nicomachus> they are not.
[18:08] <daftykins> that's wrong, but yeah that's common because their community is non-existant... also no good reason that distro exists at all really
[18:10] <creativ3> I was guided to distrowatch and to dl the top OS there by someone I know, since I want to stop using Windows and try and go over to GNU/Linux instead.
[18:12] <nicomachus> distrowatch's ranking are distorted because it's only judged by page visits to a distro's website, not actual downloads.
[18:12] <nicomachus> Ubuntu is the #1 installed linux distro and is a better option for first-time users than Mint.
[18:14] <creativ3> nicomachus: I did not know this. Thanks for the info about that.
[18:15] <nicomachus> np
[18:45] <nacc> when is it appropriate to \ignore donofrio?
[18:45] <nacc> i'm getting close
[18:49] <tomreyn> when he adds M$_ to his nickname
[18:50] <hggdh> nacc: actually, you can opt to not engage anymore with him
[18:50] <nacc> hggdh: yeah i need to
[18:50] <nacc> hggdh: i'm bad at that :/
[18:50] <hggdh> :-)
[18:50] <nacc> if you hadn't noticed :)
[18:50] <hggdh> usually we all are sort of bad in letting go
[18:51] <hggdh> he could go with this on -offtopic, or even -discuss, but this is not an issue for +1
[18:52] <nacc> i've got the canonical wsl folks to know there is that other channel now :)
[18:52] <nacc> so hopefully he'll stay there
[18:54] <hggdh> ok, so I will not boot him out
[18:55] <nacc> yeah, hopefully they do it correctly
[18:55] <nacc> also they don't seem to know how to fix issues with the development release, so i don't know why they are runnignit


[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:00]  * kanashiro waves
[19:04] <ddstreet> o/
[19:09] <ddstreet> guess dmb mtg is cancelled today?
[19:09] <rbasak> I guess nobody else is here? It's Easter Monday here in the UK, so it's my day off, and I think some other Europeans are also off.
[19:09] <rbasak> So maybe skip?
[19:09] <rbasak> Do we have any applicants today?
[19:10] <rbasak> I don't see any.
[19:10] <rbasak> So it should be OK to defer to the next scheduled meeting unless anyone has any objection?
[19:10] <kanashiro> we have only the ubuntu-support-uploaders application
[19:10] <rbasak> FWIW, I may not be able to make that one because I'll be at a sprint.
[19:10] <kanashiro> team application
[19:11] <ddstreet> i can discuss that application if needed, i leave it up to you two to decide
[19:11] <rbasak> I would prefer to defer that one please.
[19:11] <rbasak> Unless it's urgent?
[19:11] <kanashiro> I am fine with skipping the meeting today
[19:11] <rbasak> OK, thanks all.
[19:11] <rbasak> o/
[19:12] <kanashiro> \o
[22:57] <teward> rbasak: ddstreet: was a chaos day due to the holiday today my apologies for not being available, random meeting with all the managers to demo something.  #WasNotFun


[02:52] <jman074> i am trying to uploade a file but it has two arrows around it while all the others have checks why is this
[03:19] <jman074> how do i remove a folder i don't want synced. i deleted it off my home but its still in ubuntu.
[08:21] <JamesTait> Happy World Autism Awareness Day, folks! :-D
[18:42] <City-busz> hi devs, I updated ubuntuone-client and related packages to version 4.2.0 in Arch Linux. The only problem what I found is an error with ubuntu-sso-client and oauthlib 0.4.0. I opened a bug report with a proposed patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/1163489
[19:30] <dobey> City-busz: i think that breaks some uses of that API
[19:34] <City-busz> dobey: then what could be the proper solution?
[19:38] <dobey> City-busz: i don't know exactly yet because i haven't looked into the bug much as Ubuntu has oauthlib 0.3.7, and we're sticking with that for now on Win and Mac as well.


[04:40] <mup> Bug #1408082 changed: Attempt to use architecture/release-specific custom preseed fails <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1408082>
[05:51] <costal> Hi Everyone trying to use MAAS on Dell Blade M620 I'm using 1.7 but when booting the blade is complaining
[05:52] <costal> Loading ubuntu/amd64/generic/trusty/no-such-image/boot-kernel ... failed No such file or directory
[05:52] <costal> any clues will be really appreciate it
[13:18] <mup> Bug #1429847 was opened: Intermittent CI failure: error deploying a node with Juju <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1429847>
[21:31] <mup> Bug #1430025 was opened: maas uninstallable on vivid <amd64> <apport-bug> <ec2-images> <vivid> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1430025>
[21:52] <murphyslaw_> Hi, I'm trying out MAAS, I've set my proxy in the web interface but Juju doesn't pick it up when I run openstack-install
[22:53] <Noice> If I'm having trouble importing the boot images, where can I find that log file?


[02:02] <Sarvatt> bryceh: amazing how many people are trying to literally run apport-collect BUGNUMBER in response to your automated replies :D
[02:26] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Good $TIME_OF_DAY
[02:41] <RAOF> Is there anyone around to sponsor an xserver-xorg-video-intel upload?  We need to drop the DRI-disablement patch before release.
[05:41] <rafiyr> I need a touch of help debugging driver assignment for an input device.
[05:49] <RAOF> I'm not particularly experienced in that area, but need experience in that sort of debugging.  want to learn together? :)
[05:50] <rafiyr> Sure
[05:50] <rafiyr> Let the fun begin
[05:51] <RAOF> So, what's the problem?
[05:51] <rafiyr> I'm just trying to verify the n-trig stuff gets setup correctly.  Its a pen+multitouch sensor in the screen
[05:51] <rafiyr> Atm, the wacom driver is best for the pen and evdev for touch.
[05:52] <rafiyr> And lucid beta 1 was assigning them correctly (I think).  But the current images are assigning both to evdev.
[05:52] <rafiyr> There seem to be pattern matches for all sorts of stuff in /lib/udev/rules.d and /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d
[05:53] <RAOF> I think that we switched to the xorg.conf.d work between beta 1 and now.  This would probably be the cause of the switch.
[05:53] <rafiyr> And I tweaked both (when booting off a live image on a usb stick)
[05:53] <RAOF> Right.  My understanding of the way these interact is that udev can tag devices with particular information, and the rules in xorg.conf.d use that information to match appropriately.
[05:53] <rafiyr> So if I change the files in that dir, should an X (gdm) restart reassign the drivers?
[05:54] <rafiyr> Or am I going to have to poke at the image before booting on it?
[05:54] <RAOF> That is my understanding.
[05:54] <rafiyr> hm
[05:54] <RAOF> You shouldn't have to reboot.
[05:55] <rafiyr> 2 minutes until my usb stick is ready for another test (decided to clean it before trying again)
[05:55] <RAOF> Unless you're fiddling with udev rules; I believe that would require that you re-run the udev scanning stuff, which might not be possible on a running system.
[05:55] <rafiyr> I tried fiddling with udev, hal/fdi, and the xorg.conf.d and restarted all the udev services and gdm
[05:56] <rafiyr> but let me try just fiddling with xorg.conf.d when it comes back up
[05:56] <RAOF> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration is some documentation, if you haven't found it yet.
[05:56] <RAOF> Stupid killswitch.  Keeps getting accidentally triggered.
[05:58] <rafiyr> interesting
[05:58] <rafiyr> Have to admit, that I'm still just used to configuring everything myself
[05:59] <RAOF> I know why.  It's relatively easy to do, once you've learnt how.
[06:01] <rafiyr> And this automated stuff just makes life so much harder
[06:02] <RAOF> Until it works, at which point you no longer notice it :)
[06:02] <rafiyr> Like screen resolutions and dpms.  One of my video drivers started deciding it knows best, and since I didn't use a compliant identifier for my monitor, it ignored my modelines.
[06:03] <rafiyr> Yeah, hoping so.  This n-trig stuff certainly is a pain without auto-config.  The best way to use it seems to be to target 2-3 event nodes, which of course may move around on every boot
[06:04] <RAOF> Without knowing the details of the hardware, it would seem to me that you should be able to match on Vendor and/or Device to do that configuration?
[06:05] <RAOF> Or possibly just MatchIsTouchscreen "on" ?
[06:06] <rafiyr> Have to match the product id (thanks for that link the explanation of the pattern keys helped) since I want to use different drivers for the pen and touch
[06:06] <rafiyr> (added the sensor types to the name in the kernel a couple months ago)
[06:06] <RAOF> Aha!
[06:07] <rafiyr> So, if you have a pen, how would you assign the buttons
[06:07] <rafiyr> the tip is of course left click or btn0 (or 1 depending on who you ask)
[06:07] <rafiyr> there is a barrel switch, which seems to default to btn 2 (middle)
[06:08] <rafiyr> and a button a little further up the side which switches to eraser
[06:08] <rafiyr> but in eraser mode that too emits a left click for normal desktop use
[06:08] <RAOF> What does the tip button emit when in eraser mode?
[06:09] <rafiyr> left
[06:09] <rafiyr> seems to me to be a bit wasteful
[06:09] <RAOF> It's always left, as is the erasor buttor?  That's… odd.
[06:10] <rafiyr> I personally map them to tip left, tip+barrel -> right, and tip+eraser -> middle
[06:10] <RAOF> Incidentally, I know that bryceh is doing some multitouch work with an n-trig device - you might want to check in with him when it's not 10pm on a Sunday :)
[06:11] <rafiyr> yeah, been working with him for a while now
[06:12] <RAOF> I've never really played with a pen, so I'm not sure what the ergonomic constraints are on button placement :)
[06:12] <rafiyr> Yeah, I figure I should figure out who is familiar with the conventions so I can maintain some consistency
[06:14] <RAOF> So the n-trig stuff isn't working out of the box on the RC?  It sounds like we should be able to fix that.
[06:14] <rafiyr> well, that link was what I needed, so thank you for that.  I figure the rest is just tuning and shouldn't be a problem once I figure out what the proper behavior is.
[06:14] <rafiyr> Well, 1 line in 10-wacom.conf
[06:14] <rafiyr> MatchProduct "N-Trig Pen"
[06:15] <rafiyr> instead of "HID 1B96:0001"
[06:15] <rafiyr> but I'm experimenting with the button maps now, to see if I can make those sensible
[06:18] <rafiyr> Gimp only seems to draw on button1.  So I'd better leave that one alone.  But I see no reason not to prefer right over middle for the button on the side of the pen
[06:19] <rafiyr> Seems to me that when you only have 2 buttons, right trumps middle
[06:22] <RAOF> Ack.
[06:28] <rafiyr> I suppose I should open a bug report and email a few people
[06:28] <RAOF> A bug report would be good; xserver-xorg-input-watcom seems like a good target.
[06:29] <rafiyr> ok
[06:30] <ricotz> RAOF, hello
[06:31] <RAOF> ricotz: Howdie.
[06:31] <ricotz> RAOF, are you using edgers ppa with nouveau?
[06:32] <RAOF> I have been in the past.
[06:32]  * RAOF is currently using the nvidia netbook to test out GPU video decoding capabilities.
[06:32] <ricotz> for me with xserver 1.8 , X freezes on logout
[06:33] <ricotz> RAOF, ok
[06:34] <RAOF> I haven't tested xserver 1.8; there's still a bit of fallout from the way upstream fixed the GEM object leak, though.  It's possible you're seeing that.
[06:34] <RAOF> Or just some other random X bug! :)
[06:36] <ricotz> i am seeing no other problem, 3d is working fine, and so on, only when i try to shutdown X it freezes, but i am not sure if nouveau or xserver is the problem here
[06:36] <ricotz> the gem_object leak is no problem for me, enough ram here
[06:42] <RAOF> ricotz: Either you're restarting X frequently, or you'd be noticing the GEM leak; even with 4 GiB you'll notice when 3GiB have been stolen by gem :)
[06:43] <ricotz> i know, having 8gb ;-), it will take some time to fill them
[06:53] <rafiyr> RAOF: thanks for your help.  I'd better get some sleep.  btw, a user had already opened a bug.
[07:57] <RAOF> I wish i915 was slightly less *totally silent* during startup.  It might be nice if it mentioned what displays it thought were connected, for example.
[11:58] <KiBi> /C/C
[11:59] <KiBi> hmpf. :)
[13:08] <mvo> tseliot: I updated bug #568041 (if you haven't see already), it would be interessting to ask him to re-test with network
[13:08] <mvo> tseliot: but I think it will work just fine then (it does for me)
[13:26] <bjsnider> RAOF, what hardware does the netbook have?
[13:46] <tseliot> mvo: ah, so that was the problem
[14:34] <tseliot> mvo: thanks for dealing with that report
[14:35] <mvo> np
[16:41] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/565981/comments/77 -- that is a very good point, the slowdown that lead to those reverts was indeed the memory leak problem
[21:04] <LLStarks> OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc.
[21:04] <LLStarks> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on i915 (chipset: 945GM)
[21:04] <LLStarks> OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 7.9-devel
[21:04] <LLStarks> i find that to be very sexy.
[21:42] <Ng> eep, just updated the X40 since all the DRI disablement got dropped, and it won't start X
[21:43] <Ng> with -intel 2:2.9.1-3ubuntu4 or 5 (the only two debs on there). I just get a black screen
[21:46] <Ng> aha, it's the kernel
[21:46] <Ng> -19 works, -21 doesn't
[22:51] <Ng> -20 works too
[22:51] <Ng> bryceh: please can I be more important than the people who wanted 8086:3582 blacklisted from KMS? ;)
[22:55] <Ng> hrm, and now an oops from -20 in intel_release_load_detect_pipe
[23:08] <bryceh> Ng, my eyes don't matter - you need kernel team luv
[23:08] <bryceh> Ng, any changes to that now would require rolling a kernel change
[23:43] <bryceh> apw, ^^  we're getting a lot of anti-votes for blacklisting kms on 8xx
[23:44] <bryceh> Ng, it would be interesting if you booted the kernel with the blacklist (-21 or newer) and see if it works if you force kms on (i915.modeset=1) if it starts working
[23:46] <ilmari> bryceh: any tips on debugging #568138?
[23:46] <ilmari> deadlock in i915_gem_*_ioctl
[23:46] <bryceh> ilmari, nope
[23:47] <bryceh> nothing beyond the usual anyway.  see the ubuntu-x wiki.


[00:01] <dmdevotee> my computer make beeps when i shutdown kubuntu, is this normal? it can be disabled?
[00:01] <dmdevotee> shutdown or restart
[00:02] <Anpu> hi, got a problem
[00:02] <Anpu> i upgraded to lucid, but after upgrading and restart, i cant start X
[00:02] <Anpu> got an error: Failed to load module "radeon" (module does not exist, o)
[00:03] <Anpu> anyone know how to solve?
[00:08] <daskreech> dmdevotee: When?
[00:08] <daskreech> Your BIOS beeps at certain times
[00:08] <Matisse> hi
[00:08] <daskreech> Startup and shutdown are two of those times
[00:08] <daskreech> !hi | Matisse
[00:09] <Typos_King> dmdevotee:     I think it may be a 'notification' sound, you can turn those off under System settings > advanced > notifications
[00:09] <Matisse> I'm experiencing some problems since i upgraded to KDE 4.4. I got 2 tasklines and no window borders (those with close- and maximize-button)
[00:10] <Matisse> has somebody already solved this problems?
[00:10] <daskreech> Matisse: can you jump to a virtual terminal ?
[00:10] <Matisse> yes
[00:10] <Matisse> its working fine
[00:10] <Matisse> only this to bugs
[00:10] <Matisse> *2
[00:12] <dmdevotee> typos_king: is there a notifications menu under  System settings > advanced > notifications in kubuntu 9.10? i heard that some differences of KDE versions..
[00:13] <dmdevotee> i have the menu in spanish, and i can't find "notificaciones" or something else
[00:13] <Typos_King> it may not be in Advanced, but it's there
[00:13] <dmdevotee> oh yes!
[00:13] <dmdevotee> thanks
[00:13] <Matisse> daskreech, do you have an idea?
[00:15] <dmdevotee> but i am talking about beeps of the motherboard, not sound clips
[00:15] <Typos_King> ... like... can you describe them?
[00:16] <Typos_King> I know, you mean to say coming from the mb speaker, rather than the soundcard
[00:16] <Typos_King> but... dunno. can't say, could even be a bios setting
[00:16] <dmdevotee> daskreech: the motherboard beeps when i reboot or shutdown
[00:16] <dmdevotee> only happens in kubuntu
[00:17] <Typos_King> might be drivers..
[00:17] <dmdevotee> i thinked that could be there an option, since only happens in kubuntu (not tried other kde linux distribution)
[00:17] <Typos_King> maybe try installing the linux-backports-modules
[00:17] <Typos_King> I think so too
[00:18] <Typos_King> I have it, and I don't get it :|
[00:19] <dmdevotee> your motherboard doesn't beep when shutdown kubuntu?
[00:19] <Typos_King> nope
[00:19] <Typos_King> then again, I don't use kde WM
[00:19] <Typos_King> :)
[00:20] <daskreech> dmdevotee: what else do you have installed?
[00:21] <daskreech>  Typos_King: likely the kde4init not the wm that's causing the beep
[00:22] <dmdevotee> if i remember correctly, i have knowledge of that matter since the first reboot...
[00:22] <dmdevotee> what is wm?
[00:25] <dmdevotee> i'll try adding blacklist pcspkr to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[00:26] <djustice> damn. i was seconds away from telling him what a feep was... o well...
[00:28] <daskreech> djustice: A feep?
[00:35] <schultza> How do I change the default action of a click in KDE? I keeps wanting to double click/launch the file. I just want the first to select, not launch.
[01:13] <kwtm> Anyone ever get a program showing up as an icon in the Kicker panel ("systray") that you can't get rid of?  How do you get rid of it?
[01:29] <Guest20925> how do i view how much data i have downloaded?
[01:37] <daskreech> kwtm: Hmm?
[01:38] <daskreech> Kicker as in KDE3?
[01:38] <daskreech> schultza: did you look in System Settings -> mouse ?
[01:38] <kwtm> KDE3.  I have this little icon that apparently Adobe decided to install when I installed the Adobe PDF reader.
[01:38] <kwtm> I want to get rid of it but right-clicking does not show that option in the menu.  I don't know what the program is called so I can't killall it.
[01:39] <kwtm> Is there some way to ask Kicker what program is showing that icon so I can kill -9 it?
[01:42] <daskreech> kwtm: I'd do a grep on processes and look for something adobenamed
[01:43] <kwtm> daskreech: Tried that already.  No way for Kicker to tell us what icon is taking up space?
[01:43] <daskreech> kwtm: Nope Kicker is just a container
[01:43] <daskreech> It doesn't know anything about the contents
[01:43] <sea__> Hey, I found a bug in fluxbox. What should I do?
[01:44] <daskreech> sea__: File the bug
[01:45] <sea__> as soon as I figure out how to describe it. :\
[01:52] <kwtm> daskreech: Can I double-click the icon, open the window, and then somehow find the process that is making the window?  I mean, xkill knows what process owns the window right?  Can I find out, too?
[01:53] <daskreech> kwtm: It knows the Xwindow descriptor
[01:53] <daskreech> which X translates to a PID
[01:54] <kwtm> Okay.  How do I get the Xwindow descriptor?  Will that lead me to a Process ID?
[01:54] <daskreech> kwtm: What are you trying to do?
[01:55] <kwtm> I'm trying to find out which process spawned the process that owns the window, so I can get rid of that process (which probably owns the icon in my systray).
[01:56] <kwtm> Awww, ffffrick!!!
[01:56] <kwtm> I found it.
[01:56] <kwtm> It was named "Adobe", not "adobe".
[01:56] <kwtm> Note to self: set alias for "ps -ef | grep -i", not just "ps -ef | grep". :P
[01:56] <daskreech> kwtm: :-)
[01:57] <daskreech> kwtm: Propietary companies Llove caps
[01:58] <kwtm> KILL SynchronizerApp-binary!!!!
[01:58] <kwtm> Yess!!  It worked.    Trying to stick bloatware on my linux computer.
[02:00] <daskreech> kwtm: Probably started with the KDE session
[02:01] <daskreech> should stop now hopefully
[02:02] <kwtm> daskreech: No, no.  My KDE session is about 2 months old now.  I'm pretty sure it appeared when I launched that Adobe Plug-In reader in Firefox because, *somehow*, Firefox is incapable of doing "open with" when it loads a URL: it has to either SAVE to a file or OPEN it in a firefox tab using whatever evil plugins some proprietary company dreamed up.
[02:03] <kwtm> I guess I should update Firefox.  Since I'm still on 3.0.x and it's now, what, 3.3.x?  3.4.x?
[02:05] <daskreech> 3.6
[02:06] <manu_> alguna espa;ola___
[02:07] <manu_> alguna espanola
[02:07] <daskreech> !es
[02:07] <kwtm> Hey, I just checked, and my 8.04 (which is currently the latest LTS version) still uses Firefox 3.0.x.  Boy, this long-term support thing isn't what I thought it was.
[02:07] <daskreech> kwtm: It has long term support
[02:07] <kwtm> Can't wait for 10.04 so I can get some support.
[02:08] <daskreech> you have support
[02:09] <daskreech> just for firefox 3.0
[02:09] <daskreech> :-)
[02:09] <kwtm> daskreech: Well, I'm thankful for that.  I guess what I'm saying is that everyone else is using 3.5+ on Firefox and I'm feeling a bit vulnerable on 3.0.x , but as long as it has no major vulnerabilities, I don't need the latest and greatest.  THough 3.2.x would have been nice.
[02:10] <daskreech> kwtm: Yeah FOSS moves far too quickly
[02:11] <kwtm> daskreech: Yeah, the point of my switching to Linux was so I wouldn't be trapped on the upgrade treadmill.  After all, Linux runs on legacy hardware and MS doesn't.  But I felt very alienated with this KDE4 thing.
[02:11] <daskreech> I'm amazed at the crazy difference in KDE 4.0 and KDE 4.4
[02:11] <daskreech> kwtm: How so?
[02:12] <kwtm> Once Kubuntu 10.04 comes out, I'll feel ready to spend time learning KDE4 knowing it will be worthwhile.  But as you yourself said, the differences between KDE4.0 and KDE4.4... well, I don't want to have to keep tinkering with my computer.  I just want it to work.
[02:12] <kwtm> I wrote a bazillion DCOP scripts for KDE3 and now I have to convert them all to Dbus scripts for KDE4.
[02:12] <daskreech> kwtm: What constitutes working?
[02:12] <daskreech> kwtm: oooh yeah
[02:13] <kwtm> daskreech: "working" = 1) It does what I want it to do, and 2) I know how to make it do what I want it to do (implying that I don't have to spend time relearning, no matter how much "better" the new system is)
[02:13] <daskreech> You should probably go to the forums and ask people to help with the conversion
[02:14] <kwtm> daskreech: It's not a simple conversion, either... I tried using dbus and it kept saying "no permission" or something.  THis is for something as mundane
[02:14] <kwtm> as mundane as pasting a timestamp into the clipboard (Klipper) which I do instinctively probably a dozen times an hour.
[02:14] <kwtm> If it doesn't work, my workflow grinds to a halt.  Then I'm back to tinkering.
[02:14] <daskreech> I think that Klipper can do that by itself now
[02:15] <kwtm> daskreech: Well, I have my own very compact 6-character timestamp which I brand my files with (e.g. my photos are renamed that.)
[02:15] <kwtm> For example, the time now is A3HJFQ
[02:15] <daskreech> Ok
[02:15] <daskreech> right
[02:16] <daskreech> so you need the dcop section of that to be converted to dbus
[02:16] <kwtm> Last year the first digit was 9 (for 2009), and before it was (8).  THe 3 means March.  H means 17 (March 17 now).  Etc.    So all my scripts are there, and it's not like I can't do bash programming.
[02:16] <kwtm> I just don't want ot have to do it all over again.  I might even end up writing a Dcop->Dbus wrapper to avoid having to recode my scripts.
[02:17] <kwtm> I am willing to re-learn stuff every few years, so I plan to set aside some time to learn KDE4.  But when it first came out, it was way too unstable for me to use.
[02:17] <kwtm> Anyway, gotta run.  Thanks for listening!
[02:17] <daskreech> Wonder if someone did that already
[02:17] <daskreech> ok
[02:17] <daskreech> later
[02:31] <toor> hello
[02:32] <zhangjia> hello
[02:35] <zhangjia> i have a problem:how to set the font courier new 8 in vim?
[02:36] <zhangjia> anyone knows? ths!
[03:02] <daskreech> zhangjia: yes
[03:32] <AbstractSpectre> Hi guys, how can I uipdate my wireless device drivers...?
[03:34] <daskreech> What device?
[03:35] <daskreech> zhangjia: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Change_font
[03:37] <zhangjia> ok thanks! i will try it!
[03:39] <AbstractSpectre> Daskreetch Not sure how to check...isnt there a sudo apt-get command?  Seems like I used one a while back and it fixed my horrible connection issues
[03:41] <daskreech> AbstractSpectre: your wifi card?
[03:42] <daskreech> lshw -C metwork
[03:42] <AbstractSpectre> Emmm....yessir, i think...wireless lol
[03:42] <daskreech> lshw -C network
[03:42] <AbstractSpectre> product: AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
[03:42] <AbstractSpectre> ??
[03:45] <daskreech> AbstractSpectre: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8958170
[03:52] <AbstractSpectre> There was something like linux-back(something)-intrepid or something I once used...
[03:52] <Bonster> whats the command to tell bash u dont want case sensitive when finding files?
[03:53] <AbstractSpectre> Oh wat, it was linx-backports-
[03:55] <AbstractSpectre> Am I Karmic version or?
[03:55] <AbstractSpectre> Kubuntu 9.1 is karmic right?
[03:56] <yofel> AbstractSpectre: yes
[03:56] <yofel> AbstractSpectre: and I guess you're searching for linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-20-generic ?
[03:58] <daskreech> AbstractSpectre: Yes
[03:58] <daskreech> Bonster: grep -i
[04:02] <AbstractSpectre> How can I add windows XP to the grub list so I can dual boot with xp?
[04:04] <daskreech> !xp
[04:04] <daskreech> h
[04:04] <daskreech> ha
[04:04] <AbstractSpectre> lol
[04:04] <daskreech> !windows
[04:04] <FloodBotK2> daskreech: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:04] <AbstractSpectre> No wories
[04:04] <daskreech> Curses
[04:04] <daskreech> !grub2
[04:04] <daskreech> AbstractSpectre: See if that helps
[04:04] <AbstractSpectre> lol kk  and how can I view the bug updates for my version?
[04:04] <AbstractSpectre> :P
[04:09] <daskreech> AbstractSpectre: What do you mean?
[04:09] <AbstractSpectre> nvm got it :P
[05:07] <krlos> hola
[05:08] <bazhang> !es | krlos
[05:40] <jasin> hi
[05:40] <daskreech> !hi
[05:40] <jasin> I just installed kubuntu :)
[05:40] <jasin> I am happy :)
[05:40] <daskreech> jasin: yay! :)
[05:41] <jasin> so much better than any microsofty or apple OS I've used.
[05:41] <daskreech> you just installed it :)
[05:41] <daskreech> Give it time
[06:07] <gkffjcs> Hey all, is it possible to run two instances of kde as the same user at the same time on one system, I have setup Xvfb, a virtual xserver, which I use with x11vnc, and I want to start a second instance of kde using display:1, but I get a bunch of dbus errors, and then it quits with errors.
[06:08] <gkffjcs> Is there a way to do this?
[06:09] <shadeslayer> gkffjcs: yeah but not at the same time though
[06:11] <gkffjcs> that's annoying... :-(
[06:12] <daskreech> gkffjcs: yes you can but it's incredibly annoying
[06:12] <daskreech> why do you want to do that?
[06:14] <gkffjcs> My laptop is sort of an obnoxious resolution, the ultimate solution for me, would be to have x11vnc, run xrandr, change the res, when I connect, and then set it back when I disconnect, since my laptop is not a good res for most remote connections, but I've been searching through the x11vnc man pages, and haven't figured out how to do that yet.
[06:14] <gkffjcs> So I thought starting a second session in Xvfb woudl be the next better solution but I guess not.
[06:17] <gkffjcs> If anyone has any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them
[07:03] <areichman> hello
[07:15] <daskreech> areichman: hi
[07:16] <daskreech> gkffjcs: So when you connect remotely you can't see anything?
[07:18] <gkffjcs> I'm actually using a combination, of stuff, and xrdp.. I have managed to make remote connections, but I can't get kde to work fully, If I start dolphin, I can use that as a sort of poormans desktop. Using application:/ to launch stuff etc..
[07:18] <gkffjcs> right now I'm researching xpera...
[07:19] <gkffjcs> it doesn't seem to do exactly what I want, but it's written in python, and I'm a somewhat decent python hacker, so I might be able to mess with it, which would be sweet.
[07:19] <gkffjcs> but for now I'm going to bed... G'night!
[07:35] <ryan_> hello?
[07:37] <FireCrotch> ryan_: hello!
[07:38] <ryan_> anyone on
[07:39] <FireCrotch> ryan_: there are plenty of people on :) Though this can be quite a slow channel sometimes
[07:39] <FireCrotch> ryan_: Are you having a problem that you're looking for help with?
[07:39] <ryan_> helloooo
[07:40] <ryan_> yeah i guess i kinda am
[07:40] <iconmefisto> !ask
[07:40] <FireCrotch> Well, what kind of problem are you having?
[07:40] <ryan_> where are the other channels
[07:41] <ryan_> im new to this so whats a version request?
[07:42] <FireCrotch> ryan_: I was simply asking your IRC client what client it actually is - that's what a CTCP Version request is
[07:42] <ryan_> uh.... i dont get it
[07:42] <FireCrotch> What part?
[07:43] <FireCrotch> When someone sends a Version request, your IRC client (in this case, Konversation) tells them that you're using Konversation
[07:44] <FireCrotch> As for your original question - where are the other channels - you can press F5 and it will bring up a list of all of the channels on Freenode
[07:44] <ryan_> ok but didnt you know i was on that already and ok ill try that
[07:46] <FireCrotch> it may take a while for the list to appear - its quite a long list. Is there a specific channel you're looking for?
[07:47] <ryan_> well i pressed it, the list came up but there is no channels in it
[07:47] <ryan_> o wain nvm its up. thanks
[07:48] <FireCrotch> No problem :) It takes a while since there are so many channels
[07:50] <ryan_> yeah it keeps on going. it said user friendly when i came here but idk about that
[07:52] <FireCrotch> If you've never used IRC before, it can be a little intimidating. It's a lot different than any other chat service that you're used to.
[07:53] <ryan_> hardly use the others so im pretty sure they all would be confusing :)
[07:53] <FireCrotch> Well IRC is definitely the most confusing
[07:54] <ryan_> dosent seem too hard. i just am trying to find a classic "chat" room. all of them seem to be about info on other things
[07:55] <FireCrotch> ryan_: One thing to note is that this IRC network, Freenode, is primarily focused on providing support for various open source software programs
[07:55] <iconmefisto> ryan_: you can join #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[07:56] <FireCrotch> There are other, more social channels, though, such as #ubuntu-offtopic and #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:56] <ryan_> linux needs to label there software a bit better then
[07:57] <iconmefisto> ryan_: why? how is konversation labelled?
[07:58] <FireCrotch> ryan_: there are other IRC networks that are more for social discussions and stuff like that.  The program connects to Freenode (and this channel in particular) by default so that users who need help can access it easily
[07:58] <ryan_> well in any case, there is something i have a question about. though im not sure if it can be answered. o and its labelled as a user friendly chat
[07:59] <ryan_> its an OS question
[08:00] <iconmefisto> just ask
[08:00] <FireCrotch> We can definitely try to help with that :)
[08:01] <ryan_> well im on linux and when ever i try to run a disk in the drive, as soon as it closes, my desktop goes blank and the only thing it lets me do is click on the menu. is there a reason its doing this?
[08:03] <iconmefisto> ryan_: you mean when you eject the disk?
[08:04] <ryan_> no right as i put it in. any disk. movie, software, music, just any disk.
[08:06] <ryan_> even the linux disk wont work. i boot it in my computer first and when it runs the OS from the disk, none of the icons show. so i cant format the hard drive. i can only partition it alongside windows
[08:06] <iconmefisto> ryan_: and that's all you're doing? just inserting the disk make your desktop go blank?
[08:07] <ryan_> the icons just go away and it dose not let me into anything. it still runs but its like it locks out everything but the menu
[08:07] <noaXess> good morning
[08:07] <noaXess> i have a kickogg item that i have deleted, but i see it, if i search in kickoff.. how to remove it really? i use kmenuedit to edit kickoff.
[08:08] <iconmefisto> ryan_: so you haven't installed kubuntu yet? you're running the livecd?
[08:08] <ryan_> havent heard ov that. what is it?
[08:09] <iconmefisto> ryan_: you're using the word "it" quite a lot and I'm having trouble understanding what all the "it"s refer to
[08:09] <skramer_> morning, I got the message from NickServ that my nick is already registered
[08:10] <skramer_> but when I want to identify, it says it is not registered yet
[08:10] <skramer_> so what am I doing wrong?
[08:10] <FireCrotch> skramer_: Is your nick supposed to have an underscore at the end?
[08:10] <skramer_> FireCrotch: no, actually t should be without the underscore
[08:10] <ryan_> sorry. what is kubuntu
[08:10] <FireCrotch> skramer_: have you previously registered your nick?
[08:11] <skramer_> FireCrotch: I just put the information into Quassel, nothing else
[08:11] <skramer_> FireCrotch: anything else I need to do?
[08:11] <FireCrotch> skramer_: If you've been connected to the network all night but away, you'll have to re-identify with Nickserv. there was a netsplit, and you were probably on the side of it that NickServ wasn't on
[08:12] <FireCrotch> skramer_: just do /nick skramer  then /msg nickserv identify yourpassword
[08:12] <iconmefisto> ryan_: kubuntu is the linux distribution that this channel is devoted to. http://www.kubuntu.org
[08:12] <skramer_> FireCrotch: I just wonder what should be my password, then
[08:12] <skramer_> FireCrotch: I never needed to give a password
[08:13] <ryan_> idk if i do or not then. im not that educated on anything with linux
[08:14] <FireCrotch> skramer_: did you ever register your nickname? skramer is registered, since about a year ago, I'm assuming this was you.
[08:15] <skramer_> FireCrotch: I'm not sure if I did...
[08:15] <FireCrotch> skramer_: you probably had to enter your password into quassel when you set up quassel
[08:15] <FireCrotch> skramer_: if so, it's likely saved in quassel, so you can try just closing and restarting it - it should automatically set you up :)
[08:16] <Ahmed> Hi
[08:16] <ryan_> hello
[08:16] <skramer_> FireCrotch: ok, I'll try again
[08:16] <skramer_> FireCrotch: I already re-started, but NickServ still complaining...
[08:16] <Guest14268> What is GDebi Package installer (gdebi-KDE)
[08:17] <skramer_> FireCrotch: and whenever I start Quassel, I get the underscore at the end of my nick
[08:17] <\Ahmed> Guest 14268 is me :)
[08:17] <maco> Guest83539: the program that pops up to install software when you double click on a .deb
[08:17] <maco> bah
[08:17] <ryan_> ok :)
[08:17] <maco> \Ahmed: that was at you
[08:17] <\Ahmed> Okay thanks
[08:17] <\Ahmed> yeah :)
[08:17] <\Ahmed> Okay one more thing
[08:17] <ryan_> wow
[08:18] <\Ahmed> I have just installed ubuntu yesterday and i heard the upcoming release will be soon so do i have to format again to install Lynx or will i get that by updating ?
[08:18] <maco> \Ahmed: youre on 9.10?
[08:18] <\Ahmed> Yeah
[08:18] <maco> the updater will offer to take you up to it then
[08:18] <\Ahmed> Ubuntu 9.10 KK
[08:19] <\Ahmed> So how many MB ? will it be any idea ? cause at the moment i am having a slower connection
[08:20] <\Ahmed> The same way like now updater says Ubuntu 9.10 availble ? so its gonna add Lynx soon, right ?
[08:21] <iconmefisto> \Ahmed: lynx? you mean the browser?
[08:21] <FireCrotch> skramer_: if you're the one who registered the nick (which I would assume you are if you've been using it) and you're not able to identify, you might have to get a Freenode staff member to help you out
[08:22] <\Ahmed> NO no i meant the new Lucid Lynx Long term licence etc i dont know it well
[08:22] <skramer_> FireCrotch: and how do I do that? how to contact them?
[08:22] <\Ahmed> I'm thinking to switch to it when its gonna be on updater as that guy wrote me up there
[08:23] <maco> <-- chick
[08:23] <skramer_> FireCrotch: I also wonder why there is no "setup" of my nick in Quassel
[08:23] <maco> iconmefisto: \Ahmed means lucid
[08:23] <iconmefisto> \Ahmed: yes, it will be available some time in april.
[08:23] <skramer_> FireCrotch: there is only the nckname, but no further options except rename it or delete it
[08:23] <skramer_> FireCrotch: nothing about password, etc.
[08:23] <maco> FireCrotch: on the server you can set a nickserv password
[08:24] <maco> er..
[08:24] <maco> skramer_: that was at you
[08:24] <\Ahmed> Yeah i see but what i wanna know is, will i able to install it through updates as installing KDE (cause i have installed it once) SO is it the very same way ?
[08:24] <\Ahmed> :)
[08:24] <maco> skramer_: go to networks in your configuration, then go to "auto identify" tab and you can check "nickserv" and give it the password
[08:25] <\Ahmed> OMG everyone is a geek in here :P
[08:25] <maco> \Ahmed: the updater will offer you both normal updates for the current version and the option to upgrade to the new release
[08:25] <FireCrotch> it looks like "skramer" is identified right now though
[08:25] <iconmefisto> \Ahmed: you can download the lucid (10.04) iso and install it, or you can upgrade your current 9.10 install
[08:26] <\Ahmed> Oh thank you :)
[08:26] <\Ahmed> Is it the name in full (Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) Alpha 1) ??
[08:27] <\Ahmed> Which messenger (msn) can i use a webcam on cause i do know the hardware is been installed cause it was connected to the pc while installing ubuntu but how do i use it ?
[08:27] <iconmefisto> \Ahmed: almost. the "alpha" part means it is a pre-release version that you can download and install now
[08:27] <maco> \Ahmed: well beta 1 is coming out tomorrow
[08:28] <skramer_> FireCrotch: it still gives me the underscore :-(
[08:28] <maco> \Ahmed: lucid lynx is the development codename. officially, its just plain "10.04" once the final release is out, though you'll see people keep referring to it as "lucid"
[08:29] <maco> \Ahmed: kopete (default im client) should work with webcams for msn, i think
[08:29] <iconmefisto> maco: no, even after release it is still known as lucid lynx. just as 9.10 is known as karmic koala
[08:29] <maco> \Ahmed: though whether your webcam is supported could be a different question
[08:29] <skramer_> maco: ok, I found that setting
[08:29] <maco> iconmefisto: its not *supposed* to be
[08:29] <maco> iconmefisto: because thats just the development codename. its just that we're all stubborn and keep calling it that ;-)
[08:30] <\Ahmed> Okay Maco :)
[08:30] <iconmefisto> maco: how so? it is not a dev only codename at all
[08:30] <skramer_> maco: but I guess the password I gave is not correct
[08:30] <maco> iconmefisto: some folks, like crimsun, refuse to call released versions by anything other than version number
[08:30] <skramer_> maco: because I still get the underscore at the end of my nickname
[08:31] <maco> skramer_: might need to talk to freenode staff about a password reset then
[08:31] <\Ahmed> i used to use kopete but i couldnt really find much in that cause of having SO MANY OPTIONS and i am sticking to Empathy, WILL anyone tell me how to disable the SAVE CHAT on empathy ?
[08:31] <skramer_> maco: how to contact them?
[08:31] <maco> iconmefisto: i think its silly as the names are cuter, but *shrug* you'll run into such people sometimes
[08:31] <maco> skramer_: #freenode
[08:31] <maco> \Ahmed: empathy only does webcam for xmpp/googletalk
[08:31] <skramer_> maco: k, thanks
[08:32] <maco> \Ahmed: msg webcam support exists in the codebase, but its compiled out of ubuntu's version because it makes empathy crash
[08:32] <iconmefisto> maco: if you do this command in konsole, it will show the codename of the release you are running: lsb_release -c
[08:32] <maco> iconmefisto: so?
[08:32] <maco> the official name is simply 9.10 or 10.04
[08:33] <\Ahmed> Oh well
[08:33] <maco> i do keep calling them by the adjectives
[08:33] <\Ahmed> So isnt there any messenger that the webcam works on (MSN)
[08:33] <iconmefisto> maco: it's not a dev codename. it is the *official* codename of the version, dev version or released version
[08:33] <\Ahmed> Apart from gmail
[08:34] <maco> but  like i said, i can thnk of at least one dev who is anal about that being a development codename
[08:34] <FireCrotch> Do you call Windows 7 "Vienna" ?
[08:35] <\Ahmed> firecrotch: NO
[08:35] <buckethead> I call it "crap" personally, FireCrotch.
[08:35] <maco> or call Windows Vista "Longhorn"
[08:35] <\Ahmed> Hey well It's not crap :P i'm on windows from a very long time !
[08:35] <buckethead> I prefer names personally, I love to get numbers backwards.
[08:36] <iconmefisto> maco: it is the dev codename, as well as the release codename
[08:36] <\Ahmed> And by the way all the viruses and keyloggers works perfectly haah on windows
[08:36] <iconmefisto> maco: does it get a new codename after release? no
[08:36] <\Ahmed> Anyone knows what's the most secure OS in Linux ? Mandriva ubuntu fedora ? etc
[08:38] <FireCrotch> iconmefisto: If you read the press release for 9.10, you'll note that nowhere in there is it called "Karmic Koala"
[08:38] <FireCrotch> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-910
[08:38] <buckethead> I'm pretty sure that picking a distro based on security is overkill. Between iptables, apparmor, and a good password policy, you should be pretty well set.
[08:39] <\Ahmed> Anyone here is a cracker ?
[08:39] <iconmefisto> FireCrotch: so you're saying 9.10 is not codenamed karmic koala? this is ridiculous!
[08:39] <maco> iconmefisto: it was. but now it's 9.10.
[08:39] <\Ahmed> hahaha iconmefisto ! HUH
[08:39] <FireCrotch> \Ahmed: We don't discuss those kinds of activities in official Ubuntu channels.
[08:40] <FireCrotch> !coc
[08:40] <iconmefisto> maco: if you do lsb_release -c  why does it show "karmic"
[08:40] <maco> iconmefisto: because they dont bother to change it at release
[08:40] <FireCrotch> iconmefisto: you can get the same sort of result in Windows 7 probably :) from some Windows command, of course
[08:40] <iconmefisto> maco: what you are saying is what is called unfalsifiable
[08:42] <FireCrotch> Maybe win7 is a bad example since that was also the codename at one point
[08:42] <jery> kubuntu kde is to slow
[08:42] <smokealot> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/release/
[08:42] <smokealot> was someone looking for the dvd link ?
[08:43] <iconmefisto> maco: notice the url above? it says karmic/release
[08:43] <jery> Is some one know how to setup oracle at kubuntu ?
[08:43] <FireCrotch> jery: what are the specs of your computer?
[08:44] <FireCrotch> iconmefisto: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/9.10/release/ notice the url? it says 9.10
[08:44] <FireCrotch> and goes to the same place :)
[08:44] <llutz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala
[08:44] <FireCrotch> Why the heck are we arguing about what the "right" name is for ubuntu releases
[08:45] <iconmefisto> FireCrotch: right, there is a version number and a codename. the only codename 9.10 has is karmic, before and after release
[08:45] <FireCrotch> Codenames are used for one purpose and one purpose only - because humans are better at remembering names than they are at remembering numbers
[08:46] <iconmefisto> sigh
[08:46] <Biosftw> hey i got a problem: It seems I am unable to change my clock
[08:47] <corigo> Hey, where can I find the PPA for 4.4.1?
[08:47] <FireCrotch> Biosftw: Right click the clock -> Adjust Date/Time
[08:47] <FireCrotch> Biosftw: Have you tried that already?
[08:48] <Biosftw> yeah : P but after i set auto adjust or change it manually and pressing apply
[08:48] <Biosftw> the apply button switches to grayscale and nothing happend
[08:48] <buckethead> corigo: Check the topic.
[08:49] <corigo> Yes, buckethead, I want to get the ppa's for my Kubuntu 9.10 so I can upgrade to KDE 4.4.1
[08:49] <iconmefisto> corigo: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/
[08:49] <FireCrotch> Biosftw: I see the issue. Does it say at the topic "You are not allowed to save the configuration"
[08:49] <FireCrotch> topic -> top
[08:50] <Biosftw> as i see... nope
[08:50] <Biosftw> nothing happens
[08:50] <Biosftw> just the color of the apply button changes : P
[08:51] <FireCrotch> I believe this is definitely a bug - when you try to change the date/time, it should prompt you for your password
[08:51] <buckethead> kubuntu-backports is where I found mine.
[08:51] <FireCrotch> Since changing the system time requires root privileges
[08:52] <Biosftw> ah ok FireCrotch do you know the command for the clock changing dialog? so i could start it via sudo
[08:53] <corigo> thnx
[08:54] <FireCrotch> Biosftw: To be honest, I'm not sure what it is. it's part of kcontrol though, so starting that with kdesudo should work
[08:54] <\Ahmed> Does ubuntu have any firewall kinda ? or how do i consider it that its SAFE ? :)
[08:54] <buckethead> ufw is a front-end to iptables.
[08:54] <buckethead> Its pretty good, for a CLI interface.
[08:54] <FireCrotch> Biosftw: alternately, you can set the date/time from the command line, with the date command
[08:55] <jery> how can i eable 3D view ?
[08:56] <buckethead> Apparently there are two good firewall front ends (hooray for google) - guarddog and firestarter
[08:56] <iconmefisto> Biosftw: kdesudo kcmshell4 clock
[08:59] <Biosftw> iconmefisto:  thx worked (except the automatical setup but nvm)
[09:03] <iconmefisto> Biosftw: you mean set time and date automatically? you should be able to set that without kdesudo (that is, just from systemsettings, or right-click the clock in the panel)
[09:04] <Biosftw> iconmefisto:  didnt work as FireCrotch there should be something like a prompt asking for root password... but nothing appears
[09:07] <iconmefisto> gotta go Biosftw. back in about an hour if you want to wait
[09:07] <Biosftw> it is not that important
[09:07] <Biosftw> so bz
[09:20] <vbgunz> Is there a trusted repo that would allow me to stay on the cutting edge of the nvidia binary for Ubuntu?
[09:21] <vbgunz> something that wouldn't hopefully conflict with my other packages. just the latest nvidia binary
[09:26] <areichman> vbgunz: I think that the nvidia driver is too closely linked to particular versions of other things to make that possible
[09:31] <vbgunz> areichman: I usually check nvidia.com/drivers for the latest and usually install without a problem. I am on 9.04 and am right now checking out envyng and it is showing me the latest driver to actually be an older driver. I'd just like to take that checking out the way :/
[09:35] <areichman> vbgunz: I'm not sure, I just know that I've run into problems from installing the drivers, gotten incompatible versions and not been able to get X to start
[09:37] <vbgunz> areichman: yeah I ran into that in older versions of ubuntu. lately probably since 8.10 I've had nothing but luck with the nvidia binaries
[09:38] <areichman> I haven't upgraded from the default ones for a few versions now :-)
[09:46] <jery> KDE with ubuntu is very very slow...
[09:48] <buckethead> jery: Why do you pop in, throw something like that out, and then leave?
[09:48] <buckethead> I think thats about the third time today i've seen this?
[09:51] <chris____> how do i make a key combination to open konsole?
[09:51] <jery> buckethead ,cause i need logout kDE and log in with gnome
[09:51] <jery> maybe i need add RAM UP TO 4G
[09:53] <bottiger> I've tried to manage my start-up services with both "rcconf" and "bum" to make some services start (or not start) automatically. However, it simply does not work. If I disable "mysql" it shows up as disables in both rcconf and bum, but it still starts up when I boot
[09:53] <bottiger> any idea what the problem could be?
[10:02] <ubuntu> hi
[10:03] <ubuntu> I have just installed ATI's crystal center and its saying amdxdg-su  NO SUCH FILE and i can't open it shows an error and NO ati driver found (when the 3D is working)
[10:30] <lukefeil> hi
[10:30] <lukefeil> is OpenOffice3.2 stable under kubuntu?
[10:37] <skramer_> anybody here who knows how to configure the filter rules in KMail?
[10:37] <skramer_> which ones have to be first and which ones can be later
[11:21] <apricot> got a problem with synergy - in opensuse it did work. noe I set up a server in Kubuntu 9.10 and the same windows-XP clients. in the windows clients I always get: 'failed to connect to server: The attempt to connect was forcefully rejected'
[12:30] <lukefeil> does someone have experience with OpenOffice3.2 and Kubuntu9.10 ?
[12:31] <benishor> hello
[12:32] <benishor> I have kubuntu 9.10 running on an Asus K50IJ series laptop. Does anybody know of a way to disable touchpad taps? it's really frustrating
[12:33] <benishor> I experimented removing the psmouse module and while it is better, I would still want to use the touchpad, except not have taps interpreted as clicks
[12:48] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[13:09] <Matisse> I'm experiencing some problems since i upgraded to KDE 4.4. I got 2 tasklines and kwin is crashing = no window borders (those with close- and maximize-button)
[13:13] <TheGrammarFreak> Yo
[13:13] <TheGrammarFreak> When I have amarok running my 'h' key won't work
[13:13] <TheGrammarFreak> any ideas anyone?
[13:14] <TheGrammarFreak> Kubuntu 10.04 alpha3
[13:20] <ubuntu> Hello Every1
[13:23] <TheGrammarFreak> Anyone? Any ideas why this would be?
[13:24] <TheGrammarFreak> And my alt-tab switcher has gone, if anyone knows about that
[13:37] <spirov92> any X gurus here? I'm following http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/03/multi-touch-for-anyall-synaptics.html to get multitouch gestures
[13:38] <spirov92> thescrolling and double taps seem to work, but I want to make 2-finger tap a right click
[13:38] <Matisse> I'm experiencing some problems since i upgraded to KDE 4.4. I got 2 tasklines and kwin is crashing (= no window borders those with close- and maximize-button)
[13:39] <spirov92> Matisse: the 2 taskbars seem to be caused by a second pannel being added by the default config, I saw that too
[13:40] <Matisse> spirov92, do you know where this config file is?
[13:41] <robin0800> spirov92: there is a touchpad package for kde that can be configured under the mouse settings not sure its installed by default
[13:42] <spirov92> Matisse: just right-click on the cashew of the extra panel and choose to delete it
[13:42] <spirov92> robin0800: I'll look for that, thanks
[13:42] <benishor> robin0800: do you know what that package is ? I want to disable touchpad taps
[13:43] <robin0800> no do a google search or aptitude search perhaps
[13:43] <benishor> what keywords?
[13:45] <robin0800> benishor: theres this but not sure if this is it kcm-touchpad
[13:48] <spirov92> robin0800: can you tell me what repository kcm-touchpad was in? I want it, but I can't find it
[13:49] <Matisse> thx spirov92
[13:50] <robin0800> spirov92: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=113335
[13:52] <spirov92> robin0800: thanks
[14:08] <spirov92> thanks to whoever mentioned kcm_touchpad, it does exactly what I need]
[14:35] <spirov92> hi, how can I check the md5 of a cd?
[14:36] <genii> !md5
[14:36] <spirov92> genii: thanks
[14:36] <genii> np
[14:57] <marc-andre> what do i need to do before i change a gfx cart (from Nvidia to ATI) to avoid a broken xserver ?
[15:03] <genii> marc-andre: I'd suggest to move /etc/X11/xorg.conf to something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia     and then remove with purge the nvidia driver you are using
[15:07] <marc-andre> genii: thx, will try that
[15:13] <vertago1> Did anyone install the kernal 2.6.31-20?
[15:14] <vertago1> *kernel
[15:36] <zen933k> Hello Kubuntu Pros: I have Ubuntu Netbook installed on my netbook and want to use Plasma Netbook, is there a package name someone can provide me with that will set me up? Or do I have to go through the KDE website and compile it myself?
[15:38] <zen933k> Er, maybe I found it
[15:44] <shadeslayer> zen933k: kubuntu-netbook
[16:12] <bardack> hi
[16:13] <bardack> i have a problem: I have upgrade amarok from 2.2 to 2.3, but after reboot plasma crashes!
[16:13] <bardack> what must I do?
[16:16] <goodtime> i wish the oled versioin of amarok was still available
[16:16] <goodtime> older*
[16:16] <goodtime> i hate the new one
[16:17] <goodtime> me i just run vlc
[16:18] <bardack> eh!
[16:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, so do I altho I tried the newest amarok and it's much better now then previous versions
[16:18] <bardack> infact...
[16:18] <bardack> but now how can I do to start plasma?
[16:19] <bardack> if I start it in konsole (plasma-desktop) it crashes however...
[16:21] <ubuntu> hi
[16:21] <bardack> I have followed this guide http://digitizor.com/2010/03/11/how-to-install-amarok-2-3-beta-1-altered-state-in-kubuntu-9-10/
[16:21] <ubuntu> i can't enable the (extra visual effect) after installing the updates :)
[16:21] <ubuntu> ANy option
[16:23] <TheGrammarFreak> Would it be possible to do a google search from the alt-f2 thing?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> TheGrammarFreak,  no, it's for your files not the web
[16:24] <ubuntu> Hello
[16:26] <TheGrammarFreak> Damn, will the functionality ever be added do you know? Or is there an addon to do it? I'm using the netbook version and it would be really cool
[16:26] <bardack> I have even remove .kde in my home...but restarting kmd plasma crashes always
[16:27] <BluesKaj> TheGrammarFreak, for files in the repositories do sudp aptitude search nameofapp in the terminal
[16:27] <TheGrammarFreak> ubuntu, you have the correct graphics drivers yeah?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> sudo
[16:28] <ubuntu> It was working until i installed that studpid ATI crystal center
[16:28] <ubuntu> from software center
[16:28] <ubuntu> HUH
[16:28] <ulysses> BluesKaj: You don't need sudo if you want to search for packages, just use "aptitude search" or "apt-cache search".
[16:29] <BluesKaj> ulysses, ok, then why didn'y you tell TheGrammarFreak , instead of correcting me ? :)
[16:29] <TheGrammarFreak> I got it, dw
[16:29] <TheGrammarFreak> I'm competent enough to know when to use sudo
[16:30] <TheGrammarFreak> :P
[16:30] <TheGrammarFreak> I can't find anything, oh well
[16:30] <TheGrammarFreak> IS there a feature request thing, either for KDE or kubuntu?
[16:31] <TheGrammarFreak> Where I can ask for this?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> ok, TheGrammarFreak then do your aplications searches in your package manager the terminal or even google-linux on the net
[16:33] <BluesKaj> btw TheGrammarFreak , what exactly are you searching for
[16:33] <TheGrammarFreak> The ability to google search from the alt-f2 dialogue
[16:34] <TheGrammarFreak> For example, type "google hello world" into it and it starts firefox and does the search
[16:34] <James147> TheGrammarFreak: typeing in gg:test   works as well
[16:34] <ulysses> What about this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/SearchMoid?content=99460
[16:34] <ubuntu> how to download ATI's driver for ubuntu
[16:34] <ubuntu> ?
[16:35] <TheGrammarFreak> Aha! the gg thing, I'd never come across this
[16:35] <TheGrammarFreak> That's a step in the right direction, can it open firefox instead of konqueror?
[16:36] <James147> TheGrammarFreak: Mine opens chrome so i would think so
[16:36] <TheGrammarFreak> Ok
[16:36] <BluesKaj> alt f2 is a the run command box , it'd meant for launching apps and files not webapps
[16:37] <TheGrammarFreak> BluesKaj, indeed it is, but as Jmes147 has pointed out the gg command allows you to google, just as I had wanted
[16:37] <TheGrammarFreak> James even
[16:37] <James147> BluesKaj: its more then just ment for running apps, its can do many other things like change power profile, open songs in amarok and many many more
[16:37] <BluesKaj> ok, weird  I just launch the browser
[16:38] <BluesKaj> why not just use the app ? I don't get it ...anyway to each his own.
[16:38] <James147> click the "?" (on 4.4 not sure about 4.3) and you can see all the things it can do
[16:39] <ubuntu> ATI grapics driver installer ? NAME ? please
[16:39] <ubuntu> :)
[16:39] <TheGrammarFreak> I often launch a browser to search something, that is two command almost, one to start firefox, on to google. I have reduced this to one command
[16:40] <BluesKaj> TheGrammarFreak, are you KB purist ?
[16:41] <TheGrammarFreak> BluesKaj, KB?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> keyboard
[16:41] <TheGrammarFreak> Got it working if firefox, thanks for your help James147
[16:41] <TheGrammarFreak> It's quicker than a mouse
[16:42] <James147> TheGrammarFreak: No problem
[16:42] <TheGrammarFreak> By a long shiot
[16:43] <James147> TheGrammarFreak: Using "Web Shortcuts" you can define your own as well for searching other sites
[16:43] <TheGrammarFreak> I prefer to type commands than to navigating through a menu, but I like a GUI. So the alt-f2 dialogue is a good compromise
[16:44] <BluesKaj> I still don't get it , you gotta use alt+F2 so where's the saving in strokes or clicks ?
[16:45] <TheGrammarFreak> I'll bet you anything I can get around my pc quicker than you can. After a while of doing it pressing alt-f2 is as natural as moving your mouse to the bottol right for the menu.
[16:45] <daskreech> bigbrovar: ping
[16:45] <TheGrammarFreak> So it takes no longer
[16:46] <TheGrammarFreak> So, if you have a maximised window, as I do now, you have to click the menu button, find firefox, wait for it to start, search (assuming a search engine is your homepage) and you'ree there.
[16:47] <ubuntu> How to install the graphics driver for ATI it was working before :) any help
[16:47] <TheGrammarFreak> I hit alt-f2, type "gg: search terms" then enter
[16:47] <TheGrammarFreak> And I'm done
[16:47] <TheGrammarFreak> ubuntu, how did you do it before?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> so what , how much time do you really save...is this a pi**ing contest or something ...if I'm  missing some then please clue me in ? :)
[16:48] <TheGrammarFreak> I save a few seconds
[16:48] <BluesKaj> wow
[16:48] <James147> BluesKaj: TheGrammarFreak: It dosen't really matter all that dose is if your happy using it the way you want to
[16:48] <TheGrammarFreak> Indeed, I'm sorry if I seem a bit defensive or harsh, it's been a tough day for me
[16:49] <BluesKaj> I'd sooner help ppl with real problems :)
[16:49] <TheGrammarFreak> Help ubuntu then
[16:49] <TheGrammarFreak> They've been asking for help with their ATI thing for a while now
[16:50] <BluesKaj> I let the ati users do that , I use nvidia
[16:51] <TheGrammarFreak> Lol, same
[16:51] <daskreech> bigbrovar: requesting a redent on http://identi.ca/notice/24882832 :-) Thanks
[16:51] <daskreech> !nvidia
[16:51] <TheGrammarFreak> I have another problem then, my alt-tab switcher has stopped, any ideas?
[16:51] <Apsel> Hi All: i am new in Linux. i just installed kubuntu 9.10 on my computer. i also installed a software for viewing the TV. but i cannot scan for channels, i cannot watch the TV. may someone help me please?
[16:51] <slow-motion> hi
[16:52] <TheGrammarFreak> Apsel, you have a TV tuner in your PC yeah?
[16:52] <daskreech> !hi | slow-motion
[16:52] <Apsel> My TV card is PC TV PCI/7130 PAL TVFM
[16:53] <BluesKaj> Apsel,  which software did you install on kubuntu for your tv card?
[16:53] <TheGrammarFreak> Hmm, well I've never done TV on my PC, so I am of limited use. But drivers, or lack thereof, spring to mind
[16:54] <Apsel> TheGrammarFreak: i tried Klear; TVtime and Kafeine
[16:56] <eirann> nickserv help
[16:56] <TheGrammarFreak> That's just the front-end software though, isn't it? If it's not I'm sorry. Again, I can't help much, I can only point out the usual suspects for things not working in linux. Try a googlesearch for the linux drivers of that card
[16:57] <BluesKaj> Apsel, are you sure that's the actual name of your tv card?
[16:57] <Apsel> TheGrammarFreak: how can i install the drivers?
[16:58] <Apsel> yes this is what is labeled on the package: PC TV PCI/7130
[16:58] <TheGrammarFreak> Try hitting the k menu icon, going to system the drivers
[16:58] <TheGrammarFreak> See if anything pops up there
[16:59] <BluesKaj> Apsel, try, lspci | grep TV , in the terminal
[17:00] <daskreech> DVB should work on kaffiene
[17:00] <\Ahmed> Hello
[17:00] <Apsel>  BluesKaj: i tried it, no result
[17:01] <\Ahmed> how to reinstall the graphic drivers and reinstall all at once :)
[17:01] <daskreech> \Ahmed: you mean reinstall Kubuntu and the driver in one go?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> ok Apsel do lspci , look for a pci card with someting like tv controller
[17:02] <Apsel> but this is what i get when i just run lspci : 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)
[17:02] <Apsel> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[17:02] <Apsel> 00:06.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P Processor to I/O Memory Interface (rev 02)
[17:02] <Apsel> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
[17:02] <Apsel> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
[17:02] <Apsel> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
[17:02] <Apsel> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
[17:02] <FloodBotK1> Apsel: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:03] <SiVA_> what is a better supported laptop video card for linux, ATI Radeon or GeForce GT240M
[17:03] <daskreech> Radeon is a brand not a video card
[17:03] <ikonia> intel is very good support, nvidia is also a safer choice
[17:03] <SiVA_> I'm looking for a new laptop, and I figure the video card is 50% of the problem with most of my current crashing issues
[17:03] <bardack> How can I do downgrading from kde 4.4 to 4.3?
[17:04] <TheGrammarFreak> Bardack, why?
[17:04] <SiVA_> sorry, thats an ATI HD 4670
[17:04] <ikonia> bardack: remove the 4.4 packages, install 4.3
[17:04] <ikonia> SiVA_: ATI support is still very poor
[17:04] <\Ahmed> No wel its not that i mean it was just my mistake :)
[17:04] <ulysses> My ATI X200M works very well on Karmic:)
[17:04] <daskreech> bardack: remove the kdelibs then remove the KDE 4.4 repos and install kubuntu-desktop. Hope you backed up your ~/.kde directory
[17:04] <TheGrammarFreak> SiVA: go nividia
[17:04] <\Ahmed> Nvidia is supporetd
[17:05] <\Ahmed> ?
[17:05] <SiVA_> ok... so, for the laptop owners here, what laptop brand do you prefer ?
[17:05] <TheGrammarFreak> Asus
[17:05] <ikonia> SiVA_: that is offtopic for this channel
[17:05] <ulysses> I used Acer, Lenovo, both are very good with Kubuntu
[17:05] <TheGrammarFreak> I'll meet you in the offtopic on SiVA
[17:05] <BluesKaj> Apsel, your tv card is apci card , right ?
[17:06] <bardack> one moment...my problem is: I have installed amarok 2.3 after launching this command -> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[17:06] <bardack> but now plasma crashes always
[17:06] <daskreech> bardack: did you check if it's one of your applets that haven't been upgraded?
[17:07] <SiVA_> I have an aweful time with my m1330 dell. daily crashes, lockups, etc... ok, sorry for off topic
[17:07] <michal_> siema
[17:07] <bardack> daskreech: I don't know how I do it...my idea was upgrade amarok from 2.2 to 2.3
[17:07] <Apsel> BluesKaj:my TV card is PCI/7130
[17:08] <Apsel> BluesKaj:i don't know if it is the same with apci
[17:09] <TheGrammarFreak> I'm off, fare thee well
[17:09] <BluesKaj> Apsel, sorry I meant pci , and PCI7130 is a totally new to me.
[17:10] <Apsel> this is what i get at the last line when i run lspci : Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)
[17:10] <Apsel> BluesKaj: oh yes it is a PCI card
[17:11] <BluesKaj> Apsel, aha , you tracked down the chip , good ...that one should work with tvtime
[17:11] <bardack> Is there a manner to disable backports and return system to first state?
[17:12] <bardack> the problem is only plasma because if in terminal I launch chorme or konsol or ALT+F2 all start and work...
[17:13] <Apsel> BluesKaj: but it did not work. Maybe the driver is not installed. how can i know that?
[17:13] <bardack> but after login I have black screen due to plasma crash
[17:13] <koniu> polacy?
[17:14] <Apsel> BluesKaj: i tried dmesg and lspci
[17:14] <BluesKaj> Apsel, open your package manager and look search for Philips SAA7130
[17:16] <Apsel> i did it using "Adept" it cannot find it
[17:18] <Apsel> BluesKaj: i search for Philips SAA7130, but no result
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Apsel, how did you try to make tvtime work the first time?
[17:20] <Apsel> BluesKaj: it never worked
[17:20] <Apsel> BluesKaj: only with xp
[17:21] <BluesKaj> Apsel, I mean in kubuntu
[17:21] <Apsel> BluesKaj: i have tried Kaffeine, Tvtime and klear. None of them work
[17:21] <BluesKaj> kaffiene is only a video player not a tv tuner driver
[17:22] <Apsel> BluesKaj: none of these software work with my kubuntu
[17:22] <BluesKaj> Apsel, how did you try to make tvtime "work" ?
[17:23] <daskreech> bardack: and you pulled in all of KDE 4.4?
[17:24] <daskreech> bardack: what version of KDe 4.4 ?
[17:24] <daskreech> bardack: have you tried resetting Plasma?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> well, I have to go ..bbl
[17:25] <Apsel> BluesKaj:i just installed it using the command "apt-get install tvtime"
[17:27] <Apsel> anyone who can help: but when i try to run tvtime it does not not load the application
[17:27] <daskreech> Apsel: run it from the command line it will give you an aerror
[17:30] <Apsel> daskreech: this is what i get : Utilise tvtime 1.0.2.
[17:30] <Apsel> Lit la configuration depuis /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml
[17:30] <Apsel> Lit la configuration depuis /root/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
[17:30] <Apsel> xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images.
[17:30] <Apsel> *** tvtime requires hardware YUY2 overlay support from your video card
[17:30] <Apsel> *** driver.  If you are using an older NVIDIA card (TNT2), then
[17:30] <FloodBotK1> Apsel: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:30] <daskreech> Apsel: You need a driver that supports an overlay
[17:31] <genii> Apsel: You had already other warnings not to spam the channel and to use the pastebin website. Please pay attention or you will be booted.
[17:31] <Apsel> daskreech: Thank you. how can i know what the appropriate driver is? and how can i install it?
[17:32] <Apsel> genii: i am sorry! i will take not
[17:32] <Apsel> genii:i will take note
[17:33] <genii> Apsel: Thank you.
[17:35] <Apsel> genii: You are welcome
[17:40] <Apsel> Please may someone help me to know how install a driver that supports an overlay? my tv card is PCI/7130
[17:41] <Apsel> i am not able to run TVtime or any other TV program on my computer. i am using kubuntu 9.10
[17:52] <daskreech> Apsel: Video card
[17:52] <daskreech> not TV card
[17:53] <bardack> daskreech: how can I do to resetting plasma?
[17:54] <daskreech> bardack: mkdir ~/plasmabkup && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasm* ~/plasmabkup
[17:54] <Apsel> daskreech: Please, how can i know what video card is installed ? how can i install the appropriate driver?
[17:55] <daskreech> Apsel: lshw -C video
[17:57] <Apsel> daskreech: Thank you. This is what i get http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:57] <bardack> daskreech: kde is 4.4.1
[17:58]  * genii hands Apsel a delicious cookie for using the pastebin
[17:58] <Apsel> genii: thank you :)
[17:59] <daskreech> Apsel: A real link would have been more helpful but thanks for remembering to use pastebin :)
[18:01] <genii> daskreech: Ah, I see now they didn't give the specific page within pastebin
[18:02] <daskreech> genii: Yep but you can give juice with cookies when Apsel does so it's a good strategy
[18:03] <Apsel> daskreech & genii: sorry! this is my first time on the forum!
[18:03] <daskreech> Apsel: Welcome then!
[18:04] <Apsel> daskreech: thank you
[18:04] <genii> Apsel: No worries, everyone was at one time a new user. When you put something to the pastebin website, make sure to give us the specific page which it is on, is all
[18:05] <Apsel> genii: like this ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/397375/
[18:05] <genii> Apsel: Yes, exactly :)
[18:05]  * genii breaks out the juice!
[18:05] <Apsel> genii: Thanks :)
[18:07] <Apsel> genii & daskreech: do you have any idea of how i can install the appropriate driver that will allow me watch the tv on my kubuntu please?
[18:09] <daskreech> >_<
[18:09] <daskreech> I'll check but I think that driver for that intel chipset was behaving very badly in 9.10
[18:12] <olskolirc> im on Intrepid and I want to download just kpackagekit where do I get it please?
[18:16] <daskreech> !info kpackagekit intrepid
[18:16] <daskreech> oh
[18:17] <olskolirc> i got it
[18:18] <olskolirc> file extension is 7z now I have to find out how to install it
[18:18] <Apsel> daskreech: i don't know if this can help. this is what i get about my tv driver. please is there any problem with the driver? http://paste.ubuntu.com/397390/
[18:19] <daskreech> olskolirc: That's a 7zip file you can install 7zip or just the unzip utilty if you like
[18:19] <olskolirc> thanks
[18:20] <daskreech> Apsel: That's your Sound card
[18:22] <Apsel> daskreech: sorry this the good link http://paste.ubuntu.com/397391/
[18:23] <daskreech> Apsel: Actually you know where you could hang out a little? #myth-tv
[18:23] <daskreech> or #mythbuntu
[18:24] <daskreech> #myth-tv has huuuuge experience with TV cards
[18:24] <Apsel> daskreech: thanks i will try
[18:24] <genii> Apsel: I'm pretty sure your card uses the saa1734 driver. You may need to specify additionally in modprobe.d the exact card type with something like:   saa1734 card=42   (as an example)
[18:24] <daskreech> genii: I think it's card=75
[18:25] <Apsel> genii: Thank you. how can i do it from the Konsole?
[18:27] <daskreech> genii: take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1189681 to see if that is any help
[18:30] <genii> daskreech: I have an USB tv adapter which uses this saa1730, the card number in it's case was 42 which is why I used it in the example
[18:31] <daskreech> genii: Ah Ok :)
[18:49] <mateusz_> hi
[18:49] <mateusz_> są tu jacyś polacy???
[18:50] <Mamarok> !pl | mateusz_
[19:05] <meero> hi, is there already tool to check fragmentation on EXT4?
[19:05] <genii> !defrag
[19:50] <human> Gentlemen, I need help how can I install an English version of the program from *.deb file using dpkg?
[19:51] <human> I have downloaded blobwars-1.17 from sourcefourrge and it has problem with russian language, utf-8 two-bytes symbols are shown as two ISO symbols
[19:51] <human> help me to make english installation, please!
[19:52] <genii> human: When a program is packaged with multiple languages, it usually will try to determine from the language installed on the system which language to install itself. As far as i know there is no dpkg option to extract only a particular language
[19:52] <human> I have not found this option too
[19:52] <genii> human: You can temporarily set the system language to something else, install, then switch the language back
[19:53] <human> genii, that's good idea?
[19:53] <human> genii, do you know how to do it not harmfully for my system?
[19:55] <genii> human: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables
[19:55] <human> genii, thanks
[19:55] <shaullx1> i dont see any wireless networks to connect to
[19:56] <shaullx1> while in gnome i dont have that problem
[19:57] <shaullx1> someone?
[19:59] <genii> shaullx1: The KDE network manager is notoriously bad. Perhaps consider using wicd instead
[19:59] <Guest31134> #italiancubeclan
[20:00] <genii> Guest31134: Perhaps you need a:  /join                before that channel name
[20:01] <deokanon> hello everyone, it's a good day outside... i have a problem, i have upgraded my linux image but it doesn't show up in grub menu... i had to manually modify /boot/grub/grub.cfg... is there a way to configure the system to do it automatically?
[20:01] <deokanon> for the next update that is
[20:01] <genii> shaullx1: Please do not private message me. wicd is in the repositories, just use Software Centre or KPackagekit or whatever you prefer to install it
[20:02] <shaullx1> i cant im offline in kde
[20:02] <shaullx1> i wanna use my onkey to transfer it
[20:03] <genii> !offline
[20:05] <deokanon> is it a sign there's a problem when linux doesn't automatically configure itself to load the linux image in grub menu? do i always have to change the lines in grub.cfg on every update?
[20:06] <human> genii
[20:07] <human> genii, I have installed it with changed LANG variable, but it still shows russian characters incorrectly, but it shows english characters correctly if I change LANG to us_US.UTF-8
[20:09] <human_> how to make aplication to be launched as english without changing the LANG globally?
[20:11] <daskreech> deokanon: you have some problems with the install of the kernel it looks like
[20:11] <daskreech> deokanon: Or you told dpkg to not update grub
[20:12] <daskreech> deokanon: It should run sudo update-grub post install of the kernel. You can do that yourself if you like
[20:13] <deokanon> daskreech: thanks... it's strange though menu.ls upgraged itself and after i edited a couple of lines in grub.cfg, the new kernel shows up and it boots quite nicely....:(
[20:13] <genii> human_: Hm. I'm not certain if this can be done. It is outside the scope of my knowledge.
[20:14] <daskreech> human_: if it has a language setting in it's config you can probably change it there
[20:14] <genii> human_: Is your normal Russian LANG an UTF-8 variant?
[20:15] <deokanon> daskreech: i'm going to look into that dpkg thing you suggested
[20:15] <human_> genii, yes, but blobwars-1.17 I have downloaded from their site is not working correctly. And the repository version has no sound.
[20:16] <deokanon> daskreech: any advice where i can start?
[20:16] <genii> human_: I would suggest to report this as a bug to the developers of blobwars
[20:16] <deokanon> daskreech:noob here
[20:17] <human_> genii, you are going to do it by yourself?
[20:20] <genii> human_: No, i suggest yopu file your own bug report, at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=294610&atid=1244297
[20:20] <djustice> genii: woot
[20:21] <genii> human_: Category to report the bug in would be "translation"
[20:21] <human_> genii, thank you, I have also described my problem at the parallelreality site.
[20:22] <daskreech> deokanon: it's the normal update process. If you changed the grub menu by hand it will ask if it should update it or leave it alone. You probably said leave it alone
[20:22] <daskreech> !find blobwars
[20:23] <daskreech> Hmm no blobwars-music
[20:23] <human_> genii, it is pretty ty be an Englishman or an American((( No translation problem))
[20:23] <genii> daskreech: The latest version with Ubuntu is 1.14, he is trying 1.17
[20:23] <human_> ubottu, this package from repository is going without music
[20:24] <CartoonCat> hello
[20:24] <st4aluck> hi
[20:24] <CartoonCat> anyone ever got gphoto2 to work in ptp mode, or gphotofs ? the camera is seen on the usb port but nothing else happens when it is plugged in
[20:24] <daskreech> genii: Still no music package. That might need looking into
[20:25] <daskreech> Depends on if you have libptp
[20:25] <CartoonCat> daskreech: one would assume that is a depends for when you install gphoto2 now wouldnt you?
[20:25] <CartoonCat> sine thats WHAT gphoto2 does....
[20:25] <human_> ubottu, this is the latest version http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/download/blobwars/blobwars-1.17-1.i386.deb
[20:26] <genii> human_: ubottu is only a tool we use here, not a person :)
[20:26] <human_> ubottu, but it is not correctly working with UTF-8
[20:26] <human_> :)
[20:27] <Apsel> please can someone help me ? i installed mythtv but i cannot have the TV. the program says "mythtv has no capture card defined"
[20:27] <deokanon> genii: who is "he" trying 1.17?
[20:28] <human_> Apsel, I use vlc))
[20:28] <CartoonCat> daskreech: aptitude finds nothing called libptp, does it have another name
[20:28] <Apsel> when i run "scantv" i got this message "device has no tuner"
[20:28] <human_> deokanon I am trying blobwars 1.17
[20:28] <CartoonCat> Apsel: what tuner device do you have
[20:29] <deokanon> ah
[20:30] <Apsel> CartoonCat: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130
[20:30] <deokanon> human: interesting game
[20:31] <deokanon> thanks everyone
[20:33] <CartoonCat> Apsel: you need the V4L drivers, and the wiis are in the process of being merged
[20:36] <human_> genii
[20:36] <genii> human_: ?
[20:37] <Apsel> CartoonCat: how can i get and install the v4l drivers please?
[20:37] <daskreech> CartoonCat: It's been rolled into libgphoto2 it seems
[20:38] <human_> Gentlemen, I have found the solution. It is to type " LANG=en_EN.UTF-8 blobwars" in terminal. After blobwars closing the LANG variable is switching back to previous))))
[20:38] <human_> But Blobwars 1.17 still has a UTF-8 bug((
[20:38] <genii> human_: Since it is not a version which is yet in Ubuntu repositories, any bugs it may have are not the problem of Ubuntu support
[20:38] <genii> ( yet )
[20:38] <CartoonCat> daskreech: yea, and the gui part is gtkam (installing that)
[20:39] <CartoonCat> Apsel: google, V4L in kubuntu is a PITA, i duno tried to help a friend do it and i wont be trying that again
[20:40] <human_> genii, I have understood it, but the version in the repo is soundless and it is not cool to play blobwars without sound))
[20:40] <human_> genii, thank you
[20:40] <CartoonCat> human_what version are you seeing ?
[20:40] <human_> Gentlemen, good bye, I am to sleep))
[20:40] <Apsel> CartoonCat:ok. thanks
[20:40] <genii> human_: The repository version you can report a bug against in this matter.
[20:41] <human_> CartoonCat, 1.17
[20:41] <CartoonCat> Apsel: sorry, some things i just can not do over irc, in person, maybe, still dislike V4L + Kubuntu =\
[20:41] <CartoonCat> human_: im seeing 1.11
[20:48] <daskreech> V4L is in a pretty sad state but better than most other efforts outside of vlc
[20:49] <CartoonCat> daskreech: thats likely a fair assumption. the main issue <I> have is that kubuntu doesnt support /proc/config.gz and that is a very important thing to have when the config used is not available
[20:50] <daskreech> CartoonCat: bug it?
[20:52] <gkffjcs> hey all, where does kdm store it's xauth file?
[20:55] <gkffjcs> Or the other thing, how do I disable access control on my xserver?
[20:56] <daskreech> man xhost
[20:58] <gkffjcs> will using xhost also set my server to listen for external connections, I don't want that, I just want acces control to be off, for any connection from localhost
[21:01] <daskreech> Read xhost :)
[21:01] <daskreech> you can do that
[21:10] <sertac> hi i want to create an application that can listen a specific event on the os
[21:10] <sertac> for this purpose dbus seems to be appropriate to me
[21:11] <sertac> am i right?
[21:13] <daskreech> sertac: Not certain what you are asking. You want to know if the application should listen on dbus?
[21:14] <sertac> actually i want to listen for any text selection with some keyboard shortcut
[21:14] <sertac> for example, let key combination be ctrl-shift, when i select a text in any application with pressing ctrl+shift my app should be noticed
[21:15] <daskreech> Oh then yes Dbus would be useful
[21:16] <sertac> but i cannot find any useful docs fo how to do that
[21:17] <sertac> can you suggest any
[21:17] <eirann> anyone know a chanell something like flare flare
[21:20] <daskreech> sertac: what are you programming the application in?
[21:20] <sertac> c++
[21:20] <sertac> qt
[21:21] <daskreech> sertac: #qt  can answer all your questions then
[21:51] <egem> Hi good day
[22:14] <daskreech> egem: Hi
[23:24] <yj_> hello, everyone , i just install KDE4 on my ubuntu 9.10 . It is soooooo cool !
[23:27] <Typos_King> hehe
[23:40] <tarzan> Ilsken tarzan här,
[23:43] <tarzan> GGår verkligen allat ut ut ut ut ut  på Dahöögren. Va fan, hon är ju inte väldens smartaste.
[23:44] <tarzan> Ops, så illa jag stavade.
[23:47] <Typos_King> ...
[23:47] <Typos_King> !se | tarzan
[23:50] <tarzan> Hm, jag fick reklman  nu....


[23:32] <atta> Hi there. Could someone help me with a greek language question? What's (is there) a differente between the nouns ηθικό and ηθική?


[09:59] <pavlushka> https://www.facebook.com/groups/27138955736/, ubuntu-pk group
[09:59] <Kilos> elacheche ^^
[10:19] <pavlushka> Ubuntu-pk team owner's mails<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, He is an Ubuntu Member and Did a huge job, LP: https://launchpad.net/~bajwa
[10:20] <pavlushka> His irc nick is fouadbajwa
[10:22] <pavlushka> but the ubuntu-pk team in LP has only one admin, that's him Mr. Fouad.
[10:23] <pavlushka> members got approved in LP till 2014 for ubuntu-pk
[10:26] <pavlushka> may be it's his FB page https://www.facebook.com/fouadbajwa?fref=nf
[10:46] <pavlushka> on Fouad http://icannwiki.com/Fouad_Riaz_Bajwa
[10:47] <pavlushka> https://www.linkedin.com/in/fouadbajwa
[10:47] <pavlushka> http://p2pfoundation.net/Fouad_Riaz_Bajwa
[10:47] <pavlushka> http://ultraspectra.com/speakers/mr-fouad-riaz-bajwa/
[10:47] <pavlushka> http://www.ifossf.org/user/fouad_bajwa
[10:47] <pavlushka> https://fossmullah.wordpress.com/about/
[10:48] <pavlushka> his training institute http://www.latitudeu.com/hr/user/public_profile.aspx?sID=fouadbajwa
[10:50] <pavlushka> I think we need a group, its really heavy for a single person.
[10:54] <pavlushka> And His Ubuntu Wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FouadRiazBajwa
[10:56] <pavlushka> and another person who edited Fouad's ubuntu wiki page is Muhammad Shuja LP: https://launchpad.net/~shujaazher
[11:01] <pavlushka>  Muhammad Shuja may be lives in Lahore, at least Pakistan for sure.
[11:10] <pavlushka> but Mohammad Shuja is not a member of any group in LP, and not even applied for ubuntu-pk!!!!!!
[11:14] <pavlushka> Ubuntu Urdu translator group in LP; https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-ur
[11:15] <pavlushka> team owner https://launchpad.net/~hameeduddin but not a member of Ubuntu-PK in LP!!!!?????????
[11:17] <pavlushka> and the marketing wing “Ubuntu-Pakistan Marketing” team, LP: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pakistan-marketing
[11:17] <pavlushka> Restricted team, owner Fouad Riaz Bajwa!!!!
[11:21] <pavlushka> whew
[11:23] <pavlushka> http://loco.ubuntu.com/bajwa/, Mr. Fouad is some how associated with ubuntu-uk!!!!!
[11:25] <pavlushka> I recognized popey in ubuntu-uk!!!
[11:25] <pavlushka> Kilos!
[11:28] <Kilos> i see
[11:28] <Kilos> well we can move from here i think
[11:32] <Kilos> pavlushka can you put this info on a paste bin for reference purposes
[11:32] <pavlushka> right away Kilos !
[11:36] <pavlushka> Kilos: here, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15848085/
[11:44] <Kilos> keep that for me please
[11:45] <Kilos> well hear what elacheche has to say
[11:47] <Kilos> how many applicants are waiting to be approved pavlushka
[11:49] <pavlushka> Kilos: its 7
[11:50] <Kilos> ty
[11:50] <pavlushka> means not much applied after 2014.
[11:50] <Kilos> oh
[11:50] <pavlushka> Kilos: anytime
[11:50] <Kilos> so those were before 2014
[11:51] <pavlushka> no, those are waiting since 2014
[11:51] <Kilos> whew
[12:37] <elacheche> Kilos: about what?
[12:38] <Kilos> how to go about approaching them admins
[12:38] <Kilos> we need to discuss the whole loco and fb thing with the loco council i think
[12:39] <elacheche> Maybe.. Check with wxl :/
[12:39] <Kilos> will do
[16:52] <pavlushka> Like to add about Fouad Bajwa,     Centre for Public Policy and Governance at Forman Christian College, Private Consulting, ICANN, his twitter account is https://twitter.com/fouadbajwa
[16:54] <pavlushka> worked with Yahoo!News
[16:54] <pavlushka> Kilos: Hi!
[17:01] <pavlushka> in conclution, Mr. Fouad is an IT Big shot.
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:23] <Kilos> so are presidents and kings
[17:23] <Kilos> but they are just human beings
[18:15] <pavlushka> good night guys!
[18:16] <Kilos> night now
[18:16] <Kilos> see you tomorrow


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[02:09] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[20:20] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue791 now available to our reading ouvlic - see our new pressentation: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-791/36265 :D
[23:10] <sarnold> ooo fancy :)
[23:40] <Bashing-om> sarnold: -- fancy: krytarik and guiverc did the heavy lifting :D
[23:41] <sarnold> Bashing-om: are you guys writing md in google docs to make it happen? or is it just text and the formatting happens when copy-and-pasting into discourse?
[23:42] <Bashing-om> sarnold: Google Docs still our development platform - so just some formatting/edits for Discourse.
[23:45] <guiverc> sarnold, the writing could be anywhere.. scripts still extract from wiki.ubu thus gdoc makes sense as formatting on gdoc matches wiki page
[23:46] <sarnold> guiverc: i never got the hang of our wiki syntax, nor google docs syntax, hehe
[23:47] <guiverc> they're not that different... just another format for us to 'remember' & mix-up on occasion...
[23:48] <Bashing-om> ^^ See my Goofy-notes :D
[23:50] <sarnold> if you find a bunch of ``` marks in the wiki they're probably my fault


[13:39] <Keybuk> \o/ Colin committed my D-Bus patch
[15:23] <Keybuk> sadmac2: does Fedora have Python 2.5?
[15:24] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk, it does
[15:27] <Keybuk> cool
[16:43] <keesj> Keybuk: d-bus support in upstart?
[16:45] <keesj> btw. I have some 'theory' questions
[16:45] <keesj> I have two jobs who "start on startup". wich is started first
[16:46] <keesj> I have this behaviour where the second jobs only gets started once the first is "done"
[16:49] <keesj> hmm .let me first think , this sounds like two questions
[17:09] <Keybuk> keesj: yeah, I'm playing with D-Bus at the moment
[17:10] <Keybuk> both jobs started by the same event will be started at the same time
[17:36] <keesj> so two forks one after the other?
[17:40] <Keybuk> right
[18:04] <keesj> hmm, my scripts are quite large and I don't have  dev/fd/  entries. spawing the first /bin/sh migh also take some time.
[18:04] <keesj> the basic idea is "main -> event_poll -> job_handle_event -> job_change_goal("start") -> job_change_state
[18:04] <keesj> "
[18:08] <keesj> and job_change_state will call job_run_process .
[18:09] <keesj> I have no clue how big the defailt buffers are
[18:14] <Keybuk> err, me neither ;)
[18:14] <Keybuk> a page I think
[18:14] <Keybuk> I probably picked something sensible like that
[18:14] <Keybuk> it's all handled properly anyway
[18:14] <Keybuk> if you don't have /dev/fd, it'll be passed on the command-line
[18:14] <Keybuk> in which case you'll hit the maximum command line length before anything else
[18:14] <Keybuk> that's quite small
[18:18] <keesj> food time :p


[08:28] <jo-erlend> how does the launcher know which icons to display and in what sequence?
[08:49] <jo-erlend> oh, I found it in dconf-editor. How come it's placed in /desktop/Unity/Launcher when the schema is called com.canonical.Unity.Launcher? I'd guess it to be located in /com/canonical/Unity/Launcher?
[12:10] <andyrock> good morning all :)