[00:41] <dman777> anyone know where I can get compiz fusion?
[00:42] <dman777> For 18.04
[00:58] <Sven_vB> hi! I'm looking for a CLI tool to download a file from an HTTPS URL but only if the server's certificate has the expected SHA-256 or SHA-512 hash which I'd like to provide for each download attempt. do you know suitable tool?
[00:59] <Sven_vB> checking the cert first with openssl and then accepting any cert for the actual download obviously isn't an option.
[01:02] <apawl> I have an Ubuntu desktop but only use it via SSH. (It's not even hooked up to a monitor.) Every now and then I see Xorg using a ton of CPU. Wondering if somebody could explain what's going on in this command?
[01:03] <apawl> Command (seen from top): /xorg/Xorg -core :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
[01:07] <blackhaze> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+question/229673 is all I found
[01:07] <blackhaze> apawl: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+question/229673 is all I found
[01:11] <TJ-> apawl: if there is no monitor attached, is the GUI not being used at all? does it need to be running even?
[01:12] <apawl> TJ-: nope. If I were installing fresh, I'd just install server. Which is why seeing Xorg using so much CPU freaks me out a little.
[01:12] <Sven_vB> apawl, maybe a screensaver kicking in or something?
[01:13] <Sven_vB> apawl, is there a window manager running in your X? also check xlsclients
[01:15] <apawl> Sven_vB: Hm..  xlsclients:  unable to open display ""
[01:15] <Sven_vB> apawl, run it with appropriate DISPLAY env var
[01:15] <Sven_vB> e.g. DISPLAY=:0 xlsclients -al
[01:16] <Vashy> desktop running ubuntu 16.04 here; my wired connection keeps dropping but wifi works fine when using an external wireless card, the menu says "device not managed" which I googled and someone suggested I set "managed=true" in the networkmanager.conf file
[01:17] <Vashy> I restared the service but no luck
[01:17] <Vashy> any ideas anyone?
[01:17] <Vashy> this happened yesterday as well and was resolved by restarting my computer
[01:17] <Sven_vB> apawl, besides that you could try taking screenshots every few seconds, and when the CPU usage spikes, save the few most recent ones, and the next few ones, for later investigation. maybe you can see some clues in them.
[01:21] <Sven_vB> apawl, also monitor the process IDs of those lightdm instance(s), so you'd know if it somehow crashes and restarts.
[01:22] <Sven_vB> or Xorg instances, or both
[01:29] <TJ-> apawl: if the PC isn't using the GUI then why not disable it; then its just like a server
[01:31] <TJ-> Vashy: "device not managed" usually means Network Manager is configured not to manage the wired "en*" interfaces - but I thought that issue only hit 18.04 systems.
[01:32] <TJ-> Vashy: do you have the wired interfaces configured to be managed by ifupdown (in /etc/network/interfaces{,.d/*} ) ?
[01:32] <Vashy> no clue
[01:32] <Vashy> I can check
[01:33] <Vashy> this is what I have in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:33] <Vashy> # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)
[01:33] <Vashy> auto lo
[01:33] <Vashy> iface lo inet loopback
[01:35] <Vashy> my interface name (from ifconfig) is: enp0s31f6
[01:35] <Vashy> idk if that matters?
[01:35] <Vashy> TJ-, ^
[01:40] <TJ-> Vashy: right, so you may be affected by the issue I'm thinking of. Did you install from the desktop LiveISO originally?
[01:41] <Vashy> I'm not sure what that means
[01:42] <Vashy> I "burned" the iso onto a usb stick and installed it by booting to it
[01:42] <Vashy> like 2 years ago almost
[01:43] <TJ-> OK, lets check if its the issue I'm thinking of. does this show anything? "cat /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf "
[01:45] <Vashy> nope no such file
[01:45] <Vashy> cat: /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf: No such file or directory
[01:48] <TJ-> Vashy: ok, not that then! The issue in 18.04 is that file configures N.M. to *not* manage any device with a name matching "en*"
[01:49] <TJ-> Vashy: let's review the log-file. Show us "pastebinit <( tail -n 1000 /var/log/syslog )"
[01:52] <Vashy> mind if I send it to you directly? idk what kind of pii might be in it
[01:53] <Vashy> TJ-,
[01:58] <IceHard> Hello :)
[01:59] <IceHard> I am checking a new IRC build
[01:59] <IceHard> is it possible to see my posts
[01:59] <IceHard> ?
[02:00] <wymillerlinux> hello IceHard :D
[02:00] <wymillerlinux> you seem to posting fine
[02:01] <IceHard> Thx a lot
[02:01] <IceHard> Glad to hear it
[02:01] <IceHard> :)
[02:03] <TJ-> Vashy: we provide support in public. The only info specific to the system would be its internal LAN IP address and/or WiFi SSID
[02:04] <Vashy> https://privatebin.net/?91acc92c1aeac6ed#lyZUz8dwLhMr7AIH2EwTd+EE1UP1L+Mve/WkgkMv8IE=
[02:04] <Vashy> pass: tjisthebest
[02:06] <wymillerlinux> no problem, have a nice day IceHard
[02:06] <IceHard> :) THx
[02:10] <Vashy> any ideas TJ- ?
[02:20] <IceHard> I have some ideas :)
[02:20] <magnavan> yo
[02:20] <magnavan> whats really good?
[02:20] <IceHard> Yes
[02:20] <magnavan> you program?
[02:21] <IceHard> yes i do program
[02:21] <magnavan> coo bro, ive been writing python and javascript for a couple years now, i was living in san francisco teaching myself but never could get hired because i dont have a bachelors so now im looking for ways to make money (:
[02:22] <magnavan>  just to give you a little of my life story ;)
[02:23] <IceHard> :) got you
[02:23] <magnavan> yup
[02:24] <magnavan> wanna write some ph1sh1ng schemes with me or something? are you behind a vpn?
[02:24] <dman777> anyone know where I can get compiz fusion?
[02:24] <IceHard> yes i am of couse :)
[02:25] <magnavan> ok cool
[02:25] <TJ-> Vashy: having problems opening the pastebin
[02:26] <TJ-> Vashy: ahhh, got it. The URL was wrapped in the IRC window and missed some characters
[02:27] <TJ-> Vashy: OK, the device is managed by N.M. - but there's a hardware error: "kernel: [22737.427650] e1000e 0000:00:1f.6 enp0s31f6: Detected Hardware Unit Hang:"
[02:29] <IceHard> 2 TJ Are you a hardware supporter? May be it is better to talk in privat
[02:31] <Vashy> hm
[02:32] <TJ-> Vashy: from what I'm reading this is due to various hardware offload functions, and it may be possible to configure the device not to use those to workaround it
[02:32] <Vashy> I wonder why this would come up now all of a sudden
[02:32] <Vashy> I've been using wired connections for years
[02:32] <Vashy> I did just move though and my desktop was in storage for a few days
[02:32] <TJ-> Vashy: try this: "sudo ethtool -K enp0s21f6  gso off gro off tso off"
[02:33] <TJ-> Vashy: bah, typo!
[02:33] <Vashy> yeah no such device :)
[02:33] <TJ-> Vashy: try this: "sudo ethtool -K enp0s31f6  gso off gro off tso off"
[02:33] <Vashy> no output to stdout
[02:33] <TJ-> Vashy: good :)
[02:34] <Vashy> but wired connection still not workign
[02:34] <TJ-> Vashy: right; I think it may need something more to re-init the device. I'm still reading up
[02:35] <Vashy> you're the best
[02:41] <TJ-> Vashy: it's unclear; but try this: "nmcli con down 'Wired connection 1' " then "nmcli con up 'Wired connection 1' "
[02:48] <k_sze[work]> Hello. I'm trying to use Bionic desktop. When I press Alt+Tab, there's some delay until the overlay of icons is displayed. The delay is short, but it's noticeable enough to be annoying. In contrast, the overlay of app icons appear very quickly in Windows 10 Pro on the same machine. Is there a setting I can tweak? Or is it really a performance issue?
[02:51] <cim209> anyone know common causes for black screen after suspend on a laptop? running kubuntu 18.04
[02:56] <k_sze[work]> solved it by installing this: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1317/alt-tab-switcher-popup-delay-removal/
[02:56] <Vashy> TJ-,
[02:56] <Vashy> ➜  network nmcli con up 'Wired connection 1'
[02:56] <Vashy> Error: Connection activation failed.
[02:58] <TJ-> Vashy: hmmm. So we may be in a chicken-and-egg situation. We may have sent the correct commands via ethtool but the device is in a bad state.
[02:59] <TJ-> Vashy: if you do "lsmod | grep ^e1000" what does it show?
[03:00] <Vashy> ➜  network lsmod | grep ^e1000
[03:00] <Vashy> grep: if-post-down.d: Is a directory
[03:00] <Vashy> grep: if-pre-up.d: Is a directory
[03:00] <Vashy> grep: if-up.d: Is a directory
[03:00] <Vashy> grep: interfaces.d: Is a directory
[03:10] <PeeOnYou> THATS WHAT HE SAID
[03:18] <TJ-> Vashy: hmmm, looks like you might be using a shell other than bash, that wasn't how it should have gone!
[03:19] <Vashy> yeah I'm using zsh
[03:19] <Vashy> should I switch to bash and try those commands again TJ- ?
[03:19] <TJ-> Vashy: grrr! try "lsmod | grep '^e1000' " :)
[03:19] <Vashy> hebron@SkyHigh:/etc/network$ lsmod | grep '^e1000'
[03:19] <Vashy> e1000e                249856  0
[03:19] <TJ-> Vashy: just needed the args to grep quoting to protect the ^ (start-of-line-anchor)
[03:20] <TJ-> Vashy: right, that last 0 means no other module is depending on it so we can unload it, reload it, use ethtool again, then try to bring the interface up
[03:20] <Vashy> ok so:
[03:20] <Vashy> 1. nmcli con down 'Wired connection 1'
[03:21] <Vashy> 2. nmcli con up 'Wired connection 1'
[03:21] <Vashy> 3. sudo ethtool -K enp0s31f6  gso off gro off tso off
[03:21] <Vashy> 4. ???
[03:22] <TJ-> Vashy: so: "sudo modprobe -r e1000e && sudo modprobe e1000e && sudo ethtool -K gro off gso off tso off && nmcli con up 'Wired Connection 1' "
[03:22] <TJ-> oops, lower-case 'c' in Connection though
[03:23] <Vashy> should that be ethtool -k enp0s31f6
[03:23] <Vashy> ?
[03:24] <Vashy> Error: Connection activation failed: Active connection could not be attached to the device
[03:30] <TJ-> Vashy: oh, yes! it should. I'm way past my bedtime, it's 04:23 here
[03:31] <TJ-> Vashy: if that doesn't seem to improve matters (check the kernel log to see if it is still reporting "Detected Hardware Unit Hang:") I'm not sure what more to suggest
[03:32] <Vashy> I have no idea what that means =)
[03:32] <Vashy> but thank you for all the help so far
[03:32] <Vashy> I hope you sleep well! I really appreciate it
[03:32] <Vashy> I'll try the channel again tomorrow if it persists
[03:33] <TJ-> Vashy: the kernel logs to /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log - you can check or monitor those with commands like "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" then do some operations on the network device and see what is being reported
[03:33] <TJ-> Vashy: the "-f" means 'follow' - it reports all new lines added to that log-file in real time
[03:34] <Vashy> gotcha a live tail
[03:34] <Vashy> I"ve used that before
[03:34] <TJ-> yes
[03:34] <Vashy> it looks verry much the same
[03:34] <TJ-> Have you tried the simple things like powering the system completely off, even at the wall socket, and on again!?
[03:34] <Vashy> to the syslog logs
[03:35] <Vashy> so this happened yesterday
[03:35] <Vashy> and nothing worked (I even called the ISP and restarted the modem etc)
[03:35] <Vashy> eventually I tried restarting the machine and it worked
[03:35] <Vashy> but I don't want to have to restart each time this happens, that's not sustainable
[03:35] <TJ-> Because earlier we had a user with an Asus mobo that had built-in wifi/bluetooth and the BT device wasn't showing up on USB - and in the end I suggested disconnected and reconnecting the antennas... and that fixed it!
[03:36] <Vashy> my mobo doesn't have wifi/bt built in iirc
[03:36] <Vashy> built the desktop many years ago now
[03:37] <TJ-> Vashy: I know some of the Intel devices can be a pain - there's one device that gets put to sleep on its receive side only, so it transmits... caused by the Windows driver on dual-boot systems putting the device into a sleep mode that the intel Linux driver can't init it from!
[03:37] <Vashy> idk if that's my issue, I run only ubuntu
[03:38] <TJ-> Vashy: another possibility is the motherboard sleep state control. Some devices have problems if the motherboard setup enables C1E sleep - so dDisabling Enhanced C1 (C1E) in the BIOS can help.
[03:38] <TJ-> Vashy: if you don't dual-boot the Windows sleep issue won't be it.
[03:39] <TJ-> Vashy: anyhow I must get some sleep. good luck with it.
[03:40] <Vashy> thanks so much again
[03:40] <Vashy> I'll ask the room again tomorrow or this weekend if it happens after another restart
[03:45] <MannyLNJ> After uprading I am having     USB issues the port keeps disabling then renabling
[03:49] <magnavan> ls
[03:54] <magnavan> is anybody still here
[04:01] <magnavan> marco
[04:08] <magnavan> so whats up
[05:12] <Goop> How do I use read, but not do it by words?
[05:12] <Goop> I want all the user's input, including spaces, until they hit enter.
[05:12] <geirha> IFS= read -r line
[05:31] <alkisg1> Hi, I have two sessions in my pc, a local and a remote (thin client), with different users. When I insert a usb stick, it's mounted on the remote session.
[05:31] <alkisg1> How can I tell logind (or is that policykit? or udisks?) to mount the stick to the local session instead? On Ubuntu 18.04, if it matters.
[05:56] <buddhirt> help if anyone know, i want to save .deb package which i am installing, seems like 18.04 is not saving it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ any idea with anyone ?
[05:58] <alkisg1> buddhirt: you're running apt install app and app.deb doesn't end up in that dir? That does sound strange...
[05:58] <alkisg1> Or are you using snap?
[05:59] <buddhirt> alkisg1, i am using apt install
[05:59] <buddhirt> alkisg, i am using apt install
[06:00] <alkisg> Can you show us? ls /var/cache/apt/archives; apt install app;  ls /var/cache/apt/archives ==> and then pastebin all of the commands and their output
[06:01] <buddhirt> alkisg, ok
[06:04] <buddhirt> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/raw/y4n9sagm
[06:08] <alkisg> buddhirt: output of  `apt-config dump`?
[06:11] <buddhirt> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/raw/JvsBwn0A
[06:17] <foareel> hello, i installed gnome-shell-extensions on ubuntu 18.04 but when i run gnome-tweaks it only shows the 2 default extensions. how can i list them all?
[06:17] <alkisg> buddhirt: it seems like it's deleting the .debs right after it installs them, will check more in a while...
[06:18] <buddhirt> alkisg, ok, thank you
[06:18] <nikolam> Anyone have a idea, how to limit Firefox memory usage and stop locking a machine if it fills the RAM?
[06:18] <nikolam> I close and open firefox multiple times a day but I think OS shouldn't be locked up because some app just decided to eat all RAM (And seconds before there were like 40% of RAM free)
[06:19] <alkisg> you can set oom score
[06:19] <alkisg> google "set oom score" or something for details, brb...
[06:20] <nikolam> Yeah, maybe limiting it's RAM usage to the max allowed .. hmm
[06:23] <nikolam> How about telling to app there is no more RAm for it and that's it?
[06:25] <alkisg> nikolam: oom means "when out of ram, kill this app, don't touch the rest"
[06:25] <alkisg> It's the best solution. Read e.g. https://askubuntu.com/questions/60672/how-do-i-use-oom-score-adj or google for a better tutorial
[06:26] <alkisg> I.e. you'd create a /usr/local/bin/firefox script, that would exec /usr/bin/firefox with a higher oom score
[06:30] <alkisg> buddhirt: looks like a new, buggy apt configuration: apt purge sl; apt clean; strace -fe trace=file apt install sl 2>&1 | tail; ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:30] <alkisg> ==> unlink("/var/cache/apt/archives/sl_3.03-17build2_amd64.deb") = 0
[06:30] <alkisg> It deletes the downloaded .deb. Let's try to find out when did that break...
[06:33] <buddhirt> alkisg, https://pastebin.com/raw/TMCJQ2Zh
[06:34] <alkisg> buddhirt: yeah I know, that's what I pasted too, it's proof that it automatically deletes the downloaded debs
[06:34] <buddhirt> alkisg, ooh ok
[06:46] <lotus|NUC> morning alkisg :p
[06:46] <alkisg> Hi lotus|NUC! :)
[07:24] <foareel> when i start the session with "gnome classic" it shows the extensions :)
[07:49] <julius> i changed my lock screen background and i thought it didnt work, but it did. i was actually thinking about changing the background when i enter my password...how do you call that?
[08:23] <SPF> how can I figure out which kernels exist in which Ubuntu version?
[08:25] <Ool> SPF: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-generic&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[08:26] <tripelb> somone find me the ubottu advice to make a live usb using windows 10 please
[08:30] <tripelb> whats the best way to make a 18.04 live usb Using Win 10
[08:32] <geirha> tripelb: there's a link on the download page
[08:32] <geirha> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[08:35] <Helenah> Ho
[08:35] <Helenah> sudo chown -hR mpd:mpd /var/lib/mpd/ gives me Permission Denied
[08:36] <Helenah> It didn't do this yestaday, I also had to add the group, something removed the group.
[08:37] <Helenah> I fixed it
[08:44] <tripelb> geirha SOrry I find no link on two different download pages I found. eg http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/
[08:46] <tripelb> Dear Ones, I have Windows 10 and I want to make a live USB (never done this before) so How do I do this?  ((yes I googled it and didnt find clarity? Is Rufus still a way? The best?))
[08:47] <toddc> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows?_ga=2.116660102.189375999.1538729224-687916356.1536553196#0
[08:47] <geirha> tripelb: https://ubuntu.com -> Download -> Ubuntu Desktop   which gets you to https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop  and if you browse a bit down to where it says "Easy ways to switch to Ubuntu", you'll find the above tutorial
[08:49] <tripelb> I will look. I keep getting instructions >from Ubuntu< or that say 16.04  --- so will look there
[08:51] <nikolam> I have /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory set to 0 , e.g. no overcommit.  So will then oom killer kill the application?
[08:58] <tripelb> geirha  i missed that place and then missed the slideshow button. (how inventive!)  In process now, writing image.
[08:58] <tripelb> cute the taskbar icon shows progress.
[08:59] <elichai2> Hey, did anything change in 18.04 that's related to the scaling 2 monitors differently problem?
[09:06] <SPF> Ool: thanks
[09:08] <mojtaba> Hello, I am getting an the following error, when trying convert 2.jpg 2.pdf
[09:08] <mojtaba> convert: not authorized `2.pdf' @ error/constitute.c/WriteImage/1028.
[09:08] <mojtaba> I did not have any problem to convert jpg files to pdf, but now it is generating this error. Any idea?
[09:09] <nikolam> oh.. /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory needs to be 2 to stop overcommit memory over limits or ram+swap size..
[09:11] <brainwash> mojtaba: looks like a permission issue
[09:11] <mojtaba> brainwash: I changed the permission of the jpg file to 766, still getting the same problem.
[09:12] <mojtaba> brainwash: Even with 777, I am getting the same error.
[09:13] <nikolam> so since I have 2 swap partitions on 2 drives, Linux can overcommit ..  a lot.. and that might be issue I have.
[09:14] <brainwash> mojtaba: probably this then https://imagemagick.org/script/security-policy.php
[09:14] <nikolam> because is Overcommint is off (echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory) , then Memory Allocation Limit = Swap Space + RAM * (Overcommit Ratio / 100)
[09:15] <mojtaba> brainwash: thanks, I will check it.
[09:17] <nikolam> http://engineering.pivotal.io/post/virtual_memory_settings_in_linux_-_the_problem_with_overcommit/
[09:24] <mojtaba> brainwash: Thanks, it worked. I changed the policy for pdf, from none to read|write.
[09:25] <brainwash> mojtaba: great :)
[09:37] <nikolam> and only this sets overcommit to off by default in /etc/sysctl.conf : # echo "vm.overcommit_memory=2" >> /etc/sysctl.conf
[09:45] <elichai2> is Wayland coming to Ubuntu anytime soon?
[09:54] <pingufan> Hello. Can somebody, please help me?  I am running Ubuntu 8.04 on an old VIA C7 based PC. It is a realtime kernel version (used by LinuxCNC).   My problem is:  I need x11vnc for it, the included remote desktop is not working well.
[09:55] <pingufan> I can NOT use a newer version. I tried in the past, it has massive problems with this CPU.
[09:56] <pingufan> I need to see the desktop of this Ubuntu machine on my openSUSE 13.1 in KDE. This is the goal.
[10:00] <pingufan> I made best experiences with x11vnc on other distros. Is it also available for Ubuntu 8.04 32 Bit ?
[10:04] <guiverc> pingufan: both Ubuntu 8.04 (2008.april version) & opensuse 13.1 are EOL  both are off-topic here (ubuntu due EOL) & I doubt many would remember what we used back then
[10:05] <pingufan> So I can forget it.
[10:08] <R13ose> How do I check why Ubuntu crashes?
[10:10] <guiverc> R13ose: look in logs, my systemd log (journalctl) goes back to 2018-07-06; it will have some clues; if you can access term, dmesg, but depends on what crashed...
[10:36] <mist_> heya guys, full boot partition. I can't believe we're at 18 and this is still pretty much the default behaviour.... It's also impressive that i've yet to learn to solve this myself
[10:37] <mist_> So... anyone got a few minutes over? :)
[10:37] <hateball> mist_: so your problem is you have too many old kernels?
[10:37] <mist_> looks like it yeah
[10:37] <hateball> mist_: "sudo apt autoremove" should clean that, provided there is *some* space
[10:37] <mist_> there is no space
[10:38] <hateball> mist_: can you try removing using dpkg?
[10:40] <hateball> mist_: eg "sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.15.0-34-generic" or whatever your old kernels might be
[10:40] <hateball> basically you only need to free up enough space to let apt work like normal. there is also the brute approach of simply rm'ing old stuff
[10:42] <pingufan> Hello, where can I download a full iso of   Ubuntu 8.04 32 Bit?
[10:43] <pingufan> I need to add a few packaged to my CNC mill (running LinuxCNC on Realtime Version of this Ubuntu), but there is nothing directly downloadable any more.
[10:48] <Dorayaki> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 18.04. After updating through System Updates app, if I run "sudo apt update" in a console I see a list of upgradable packages. I have to use "sudo apt upgrade" to update them.
[10:49] <mist_> hateball: tried rm'ing some files, that didn't work =/ i keep on getting disk space error
[10:49] <mist_> and /boot is pretty much full again
[10:49] <Dorayaki> It's a clean install
[10:50] <Dorayaki> I didn't detect this behavior in 16.04. System Updates updated all packages, no manual "apt upgrade" was required
[10:51] <julius> Dorayaki, the "gui" should update all packages
[10:53] <Dorayaki> julius yes ... for example today, I launched the gui manually and saw some "metacity" and "gnome flashback" packages. After updating them I went to console and they showed in "apt --upgradable" list. I did a system reboot and still there. I had to use "apt upgrade" to update them
[10:54] <julius> and you did install them via the gui after you looked at --upgradable?
[10:54] <julius> oh, yes you did
[10:54] <Dorayaki> julius no, first I updated the packages, then I checked the --upgradable list
[10:55] <julius> sorry, cant help you. if nobody here answeres try the ubuntu forums
[10:55] <julius> i have no idea why the gui app would not upgrade any packages
[10:56] <Dorayaki> julius can't be that non-security updates are on hold a week by default? I didn't changed default settings.
[10:56] <Dorayaki> julius sorry I mean "can be"
[10:57] <julius> you can set the apt update intervall to one week i guess...but when you click on upgrade / install or how its called in the gui they should update immediately
[10:57] <Dorayaki> julius ok, yes I think the same
[10:57] <Dorayaki> thank you!
[10:58] <julius> np
[11:05] <monkwitdafunk> how do you use calibre to read DRM protected ebooks?
[11:12] <EoflaOE> monkwitdafunk: go to https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools/releases/ and download the latest version, and unzip it.
[11:14] <sweb> why variables /etc/environment not set ?
[11:15] <sweb> how can i define a variables that all users and process can access it ?
[11:15] <zzarr> hello!
[11:15] <zzarr> I have installed Ubuntu server on a machine with LVM (I know about #ubuntu-server, but no response there)
[11:16] <mist_> Sooo anyone god more ideas on how to clean up the 100% full /boot partition?
[11:16] <zzarr> how do I resize the root partition?
[11:16] <JimBuntu> mist_, I presume you have already booted from liveUSB and attempted to remove kernels, and that failed?
[11:17] <mist_> i'm unable to run a liveusb on the vm, don't have that access
[11:18] <zzarr> I got response in #ubuntu-server
[11:18] <JimBuntu> shut down the VM, start a new VM with that image as a secondary drive
[11:18] <mist_> don't have access to the hypervisor is what i'm saying =)
[11:19] <EoflaOE> mist_, Do you have access to the GUI and synaptic package manager? I assume you have too many old kernels.
[11:19] <mist_> no, it's a ubuntu server instance without a GUI
[11:20] <mist_> and yes, there are plenty of old kernels in there that i've attempted deleting but autoremove just puts them back
[11:20] <hateball> mist_: "some files" ? what did you even try to remove?
[11:20] <JimBuntu> mist_, ok, youu are getting a disk space error... any chance you can pastebin or paste.ubuntu.com the command you are running and the output?
[11:20] <mist_> kernels 97-109
[11:20] <mist_> the rest i left always leave the oldest and the 2-3 newest
[11:21] <mist_> uhm... sure
[11:21] <EoflaOE> mist_, Which kernel you're currently running? 'uname -r'
[11:21] <mist_> 121
[11:21] <mist_> 4.4.0-121-generic
[11:21] <JimBuntu> oof, that's a little old.
[11:21] <hateball> mist_: did you try using dpkg to remove ?
[11:22] <mist_> hateball: using purge? yes =/
[11:23] <hateball> mist_: do you have "purge-old-kernels" installed?
[11:23] <mist_> matter of fact, i do
[11:23] <hateball> the command, that is
[11:32] <EoflaOE> mist_, Does "sudo apt-get purge linux-image-4.4.0-97-generic" work? Try it for the kernels you need to remove.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:36] <EoflaOE> hi BluesKaj
[11:38] <BluesKaj> hi EoflaOE
[11:47] <EoflaOE> I have installed gnome-terminal on Lubuntu 18.04 LTS but I believe I did not see the Gnome Terminal entry. I can open LXTerminal to open Gnome Terminal, but I need it to be in the menu. Is there any way to place an entry to the LXDE menu so it can show Gnome Terminal? Menu editors?
[11:58] <brainwash> EoflaOE: I would check if there is any NotShowIn or OnlyShowIn in the .desktop file /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop
[11:58] <brainwash> EoflaOE: if yes, you could copy that file over to ~/.local/share/applications/ and modify it
[12:00] <brainwash> other than that, it may be listed with a generic name like Terminal Emulator
[12:05] <mist_> so i've tried running the purge-old-kernels command but it seems to not work completely, it did manage to remove some old ones
[12:06] <mist_> after running autremove --purge, update and purge-old-kernels a number of times in succession it seems i'm now at a good state... odd
[12:07] <leftyfb> EoflaOE: you should look into terminator. Such a better terminal emulator
[12:22] <ArchNoob> Hello, when I boot my freshly installed ubuntu 18.04 on HP EliteBook Folio 9470m, I get a flashing message (very fast flash) and multiple reboots. But when I switch to boot options I can see Ubuntu and boot from there. Is there a way I can boot straight into Ubuntu without the boot options?
[12:25] <blackflow> ArchNoob: that's the default. you won't see the grub menu unless you hold shift or last boot failed.
[12:28] <ArchNoob> Aha, how can I just boot straight into ubuntu then? cause I only have Ubuntu on the PC
[12:30] <EoflaOE> brainwash and leftyfb: I will try.
[12:30] <blackflow> ArchNoob: well, like I said, booting straight, with no grub menu, is the default. Unless you changed /etc/defaul/grub, or your previous boot failed
[12:35] <ArchNoob> blackflow: ooh I didn't understand. Well it doesn't do that. I see a flashing message then it keeps rebooting. This is after I have installed ubuntu. I've done that twice and it's still not booting straight to Ubuntu
[12:36] <ArchNoob> Afte a good concentration, I see "System bootloader not found" ...
[12:37] <EoflaOE> leftyfb: I will try terminator now... | brainwash: It's listed now.
[12:37] <EoflaOE> ArchNoob: Which Ubuntu version do you have and is your system "UEFI"?
[12:37] <ArchNoob> blackflow: "System bootloader not found Initiallizing defaults."
[12:40] <ArchNoob> I have Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit, yes, this computer supports UEFI.
[12:40] <ArchNoob> The computer is "HP Elitebook Folio 9470m"
[12:43] <EoflaOE> Do you have spare 18.04 64-bit Live USB or CD-ROM that supports UEFI?
[12:44] <ArchNoob> Yes, I have this USB stick that I used to install it.
[12:45] <EoflaOE> Can you boot to it and go to "try Ubuntu?"
[12:45] <ArchNoob> yeah I can
[12:47] <EoflaOE> Go to terminal emulator, and pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l" with the marker of the affected hard disk partition
[12:49] <ArchNoob> doing that ...
[12:49] <n00d1es> Hi guys, I have an error when updating:
[12:49] <n00d1es> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: 630239CC130E1A7FD81A27B140976EAF437D05B5
[12:49] <n00d1es> E: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise Release' is not signed.
[12:49] <n00d1es> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[12:49] <n00d1es> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[12:50] <brainwash> !pastebin
[12:50] <EoflaOE> n00d1es: A) next time, use pastebin. B) Ubuntu 12.04 is no longer supported.
[12:50] <n00d1es> And I tried so many "solutions" which found on the internet
[12:50] <brainwash> the only solution would be to install ubuntu 16.04 or 18.04
[12:50] <n00d1es> @<EoflaOE> the mine is 18.04
[12:51] <n00d1es> 18.04.1 LTS
[12:51] <RabidWeezle> 16.04 I wouldn't suggest.. support on that is wrapping up soon :/
[12:51] <n00d1es> In the file sources.list, there is no line with the keyword precies...
[12:52] <brainwash> maybe check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ too
[12:52] <brainwash> what does "apt policy" return?
[12:53] <n00d1es> sources.list.d is empty
[12:53] <EoflaOE> n00d1es: Go to "Software & updates", and go to "Other Softwares".
[12:54] <n00d1es> https://pastebin.com/ebW45SZG
[12:54] <n00d1es> this is for the apt policy
[12:55] <brainwash> no 'precise' either
[12:55] <ArchNoob> EoflaOE: I pasted it on https://pastebin.com/hDvS3CS5
[12:57] <n00d1es> @EoflaOE, in the Other software, I could not chose or un-choose the option. Coz I have only one account with admin right, but not the administrator account
[12:57] <EoflaOE> ArchNoob: I saw your hard drive. Which one resides your installation? I know that /dev/sda1 is EFI system.
[12:57] <audiopathik> Hi! I'm trying to create a bootable flash drive with ubuntu on, but I don't want to use software like Rufus or similar to create it for me since these software always format and use the entire flash drive for this, but I only got a 128GB and it would be a waste to completely format it for an linpus live disc requiring only 2GB
[12:59] <lotus|NUC> audiopathik: multisystem can burn multiple iso's on 1 usb if you like
[12:59] <audiopathik> Doing researches it is perfectly possible to partition a flash drive and have multiple bootable partitions on it, but I tried copying the content of the ubuntu iso to a partition on my flash drive and it will show up in the microsoft boot manager as linpus linux but when selecting it Windows will ultimately boot nontheless
[12:59] <ArchNoob> EoflaOE: /dev/sda2 is the / and /dev/sda3 is home, If I understand your question correctly.
[12:59] <EoflaOE> n00d1es: Did you get prompted for password? or is the window gone entirely gray?
[12:59] <lotus|NUC> audiopathik: but use at your own risk, as its not on the ubuntu repos
[13:00] <EoflaOE> ArchNoob: How about /dev/sda1's mount point?
[13:00] <audiopathik> lotus|NUC: I know about WinSetupfromUSB, Xboot and others, but they all don't allow me to select eg 4GB for Ubuntu and keep the rest as a data storage partition
[13:01] <audiopathik> lotus|NUC: And I'm trying to create the bootable flash drive from within Win10
[13:02] <ArchNoob> EoflaOE: I have no idea. I just initiated it as EFI filesystem. Not sure if I gave it a mount point
[13:03] <lotus|NUC> audiopathik: how about creating partitions with gparted first, then dd ubuntu iso to the smallest partition?
[13:03] <n00d1es> @EoflaOE, I tested with my admin right account. When I do not choose "non-free drivers / community-maintained", all goes well
[13:04] <audiopathik> lotus|NUC: I'm on Windows, have partitioned the flash drive manually and then copied the contents of the ubuntu iso onto the partition
[13:05] <lotus|NUC> audiopathik: drag n drop the iso wont work, you need a tool for that
[13:05] <n00d1es> @EoflaOE, For your, as a "long term user", is that important?
[13:05] <EoflaOE> ArchNoob: I will assume /dev/sda1 is at /boot/efi. On the terminal, execute "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt", and "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi" and pastebin the results.
[13:06] <EoflaOE> n00d1es: Modifying package sources requires admin rights.
[13:06] <audiopathik> lotus|NUC: Yes that's why it wont boot, but Rufus does simply format all the flash drive for this purpose, and I'm not going to waste 128GB for ubuntu requiring 2GB
[13:07] <n00d1es> I means, if I do not choose the option "non-free drivers / community-maintained / etc", is that fine?
[13:07] <n00d1es> mean*
[13:08] <EoflaOE> n00d1es: As long as you don't use commercial drivers like some closed-source GPU drivers and community-maintained programs, then yes.
[13:08] <audiopathik> lotus|NUC: And I've copied the mounted the iso in windows and copied it's contents to the partition on the flash drive
[13:09] <lotus|NUC> audiopathik: how about you make an ubuntu usb first with universal usb installer, then after you installed ubuntu make those partitions with gparted and dd the iso's you want
[13:09] <n00d1es> @EoflaOE, Thanks very much. U r so kindly!
[13:09] <ArchNoob> EoflaOE: I've executed that. There is no output on terminal.
[13:10] <n00d1es> Have a nice day. And good luck for others.
[13:10] <EoflaOE> n00d1es: You are welcome.
[13:11] <EoflaOE> ArchNoob: If there's no output on terminal, then it's successfully mounted. Can you list the contents of "/mnt" and "/mnt/boot/efi" and pastebin the output to verify that it worked? I will tell you what to run next.
[13:11] <audiopathik> lotus|NUC: I'm not going to install Ubuntu, I need to help someone repair a HFS+ drive, but creating the bootable ubuntu flash drive and resizing the artition afterwrds is what I will try
[13:13] <lotus|NUC> audiopathik: for windows tools and methods, perhaps try ##windows then
[13:19] <coconut> What is the purpose of .desktop files?
[13:20] <EoflaOE> coconut: .desktop files is used for menus to list apps in desktop environments. Example of it being "gnome-terminal.desktop" means that it's a menu file for Gnome Terminal.
[13:23] <TJ-> I have a very strange 18.04 GUI display issue. With a single monitor 2560x1440, after closing the lid last night and opening it just now, the GUI according to xrandr is now reporting the screen as 2560x3360and the position of the monitor at 0,1920 - meaning all the windows are off-screen (above) what is visible!
[13:23] <coconut> EoflaOE: ah that make sense. Thank you. Do desktop short cuts of apps fall under this too?
[13:23] <TJ-> I've tried using xrandr --fb and --pos to fix this but always get 'failed' messages. Any ideas?
[13:24] <EoflaOE> coconut: Yes. They fall under this too.
[13:25] <coconut> ok thank you
[13:25] <TJ-> I'm working from tty1 to try to resolve it since there are open documents I don't want to loose in the GUI session
[13:26] <transhumanist> hi! not sure this is the right place to ask, but does any know if there is a setting for chrome which causes chrome not to update its tabs until you actually refresh the tab?
[13:26] <cpcat> hello.
[13:27] <EoflaOE> coconut: You're welcome.
[13:27] <transhumanist> so I envision an initial load of tabs and then no updates until I tell it
[13:27] <EoflaOE> hello cpcat
[13:27] <transhumanist>  memory leaks are killing my machine...
[13:27] <TJ-> OK, fixed it. can't resize the virtual display from another tty - I had to blindly move the existing GUI terminal window with Alt+Space, M, then cursor-down until the terminal appeared on the visible area. Then "xrandr --output eDP-1 --fb 2560x1440" reconfigured it.
[13:28] <blackflow> TJ-: xrandr doesn't work across ttys?
[13:28] <transhumanist> Tab suspend application works great except it replaces the pages with a message, which is totally inefficient since you cant see what was there
[13:28] <TJ-> blackflow: not to set things since Xorg isn't in control of the CRTC at that point. It reports "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed" - which makes perfect sense :)
[13:29] <blackflow> TJ-: I see
[13:29] <TJ-> blackflow: can read settings and so on, but not change anything
[13:30] <blackflow> TJ-: I wonder if you can trick it by adding sleep before xrandr, and then switching back to tty1 or which is it these days
[13:30] <blackflow> sleep 10 && xrandr ....
[13:30] <TJ-> blackflow: weird thing to happen though - not sure how it managed to double the (virtual) screen size! I came back to find light-locker had got in a mess and turned the display off, so I pkill-ed that from tty1 then returned to tty7 to find an empty desktop background - eventually realised the mouse would move off the top which clued me in on what was going on
[13:31] <TJ-> blackflow: yes, a sleep would work too
[13:31] <EoflaOE> transhumanist: Go to chrome://flags and find this flag "#automatic-tab-discarding". If you found it, disable it.
[13:31] <TJ-> blackflow: I think I need more sleep - should have occured to me :p
[13:31] <blackflow> :)
[13:32] <transhumanist> EoflaOE, thanks!
[13:32] <EoflaOE> transhumanist: You are welcome. Is it disabled now?
[13:33] <EoflaOE> and by "disabled" I mean setting it to "Default"
[13:43] <transhumanist> no actually I dont see the setting EoflaOE
[13:44] <EoflaOE> transhumanist: Which chrome version are you using?
[13:48] <Kingsy> would this work on ubuntu 18.04 ->https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/calcurse ?
[13:48] <EoflaOE> transhumanist: How about #enable-fast-unload set to "disabled"?
[13:48] <phobosoph> h
[13:48] <phobosoph> hi
[13:50] <blackflow> Kingsy: Bionic has the package too, but different version. Or are you asking about that specific version?
[13:50] <blackflow> !info calcurse bionic
[13:51] <Kingsy> yeah I need the latest version. Ihave a segmnetation fault
[13:51] <Kingsy> hwoever I have just elected to remove it from apt-get and build from souce.
[13:51] <Kingsy> source
[13:51] <Kingsy> this will can I just upgrade it when I need to
[13:51] <blackflow> Kingsy: you could use the srcdeb from Cosmic and build it on Bionic, assuming it doesn't have difficult dependency changes
[13:51] <pagios> Hello, does anyone know of any cloud providers other than AWS that provides instant docker images provisioning? Like i can spawn an instance in a matter of seconds , run it for 2 or 3h and then close it, i can spawn 100 isntance docker and close after few hours and get charged accordingly. Can anyone point me to such providers?
[13:52] <blackflow> very offtopic for #ubuntu, but I'd google for hosted kubernetes providers
[13:53] <blackflow> (if I were you)
[14:02] <TJ-> I think Canonical missed an obvious step there in providing datacentre level hosted LXC/LXD turn-key on-demand services
[14:04] <tomtom-> Is it possible to prevent unattended-upgrades if it will change any config files on the server? I know about --force-confdef and --force-confold.
[14:06] <tomtom-> I just had a unattended upgrade of a package on my system that installed a new config file, because the old config file was not manually modified.
[14:07] <tomtom-> It caused a problem and I would like to prevent this from happening again. If new configuration files are to be installed (even if the old hasn't been modified) I would like to do it manually.
[14:08] <blackflow> TJ-: or they considered, but insecurity of such an application outweighted any benefits.
[14:09] <blackflow> one does not simply run untrusted containers. containers are NOT security boundaries.
[14:10] <nisankhindia> here is a weird issue with ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS with KDE DE , when i do open the file manager only in HOME user folder system start to play a music which is not even exist in my system
[14:14] <TJ-> nisankhindia: you might find better help on that in #kubuntu - it could be something to do with Dolphin
[14:18] <nisankhindia> TJ-: thanks , i forget the thing , dolphin has fundamental code to be able to play music from Dolphin`s sidebar ... it is not a bug but need to work on dolphin fundamental codes , Thanks #TJ- for opening up my brain ...
[14:19] <phobosoph> hi
[14:19] <phobosoph> I got sftp-only access, lots and lots of small files
[14:20] <phobosoph> wanna download them and havin the ability to resume and not redownload everything again
[14:21] <TJ-> phobosoph: so you have sftp but not ssh (shell) access?
[14:22] <phobosoph> yep
[14:22] <leftyfb> phobosoph: https://serverfault.com/questions/135618/is-it-possible-to-use-rsync-over-sftp-without-an-ssh-shell
[14:22] <phobosoph> no rsync, sadly
[14:23] <TvL2386> phobosoph: not sure what your usecase is, but maybe filezilla is able to do that?
[14:23] <TJ-> phobosoph: how many is "lots and lots", and are they in sub-directories so you could use "-r" (recursive)
[14:28] <gpunk> you got everything by "man sftp"
[14:29] <EoflaOE> be right back
[14:33] <magnavan> yo
[14:37] <magnavan> im seriously confused about this place
[14:37] <compdoc> oh?
[14:37] <magnavan> oh you can see my text?
[14:37] <compdoc> sure
[14:38] <magnavan> why isnt everybody else talking?
[14:38] <compdoc> stuff happens
[14:38] <compdoc> its no a chat channel. its when ppl need help
[14:38] <magnavan> oh i see
[14:39] <magnavan> well thanks
[14:41] <cim209> how come hexchat is still rendered white on KDE with dark theme?
[14:41] <leftyfb> cim209: contact the hexchat development team
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> cim209: hexchat is a GTK application, which uses a different setting
[14:42] <compdoc> in the options/preferences, some programs have settings to follow the theme or not
[14:42] <cim209> oh let me check
[14:43] <cim209> compdoc, that did it. thank you. had the same problem for cursor theme changing to white in browsers
[14:43] <compdoc> :)
[14:54] <n00d1es> Hi, i'm back with question. I now have two system-monitor, how could I delete one of them?
[14:55] <n00d1es> I do not have gnome-system-monitor for apt-get purge
[14:56] <nicomachus> is one of them installed as a gnome extension?
[14:57] <magnavan> what are the best h4cker channels?
[14:57] <gpunk> #h4cker lol
[14:57] <nicomachus> !coc | magnavan
[14:57] <Tryphis> hi :) how do i read the channel topic please?
[14:57] <n00d1es> @<nicomachus> I think yes
[14:58] <rud0lf> Tryphis: it should be shown when you invoke /topic #channel-name-here
[14:58] <blackflow> n00d1es: no need to type @ or <> around the nickname.   type first few letters of a nickname and use <tab> to autocomplete
[14:58] <Tryphis> rud0lf: thank you :)
[14:58] <rud0lf> also it's on top bar in most irc clients
[14:58] <rud0lf> glad to help
[14:58] <blackflow> also just /topic works, in that channel
[14:59] <nicomachus> n00d1es: you could uninstall the gnome extension or find the other one and install it. It could be a ppa
[14:59] <n00d1es> Maybe I found that :)
[15:00] <n00d1es> Done :)
[15:00] <Tryphis> blackflow: it sais "insufficiant arguments for command" and when i enter /topic #ubuntu, it does not do anything.
[15:00] <blackflow> Tryphis: I suppose it's irc client specific then. irssi here.
[15:00] <gpunk> try /help
[15:02] <Tryphis> blackflow: i use irc in my browser, no specific client here. do i need to read the topic, or does it just say it's about ubuntu support?
[15:06] <Tryphis> rud0lf: i am a total noob. i don't even know what CTCP version is, nor how i can fulfill your request :/
[15:06] <rud0lf> Tryphis: it's done automatically, just wanted to see what client do you use
[15:06] <Tryphis> rud0lf: oh i see
[15:06] <rud0lf> it seems webchat.frenode.net
[15:07] <Tryphis> rud0lf: thats what it sais in my browser yes
[15:07] <rud0lf> so the topic it's at top of screen, under "Status" "#ubuntu" buttons
[15:07] <blackflow> which is qwebirc client. should work with    /topic
[15:07] <rud0lf> it starts with "Officail Ubuntu Support Channel"
[15:08] <Tryphis> blackflow: that triggers "insufficient arguments for command"
[15:08] <blackflow> no idea then
[15:09] <Tryphis> rud0lf: there is a banner at the top that starts with this phrase. is that the topic? if so it jst links to the guidelines, irc info, pastes and a download
[15:10] <rud0lf> yes it is the topic
[15:10] <EoflaOE> On Terminator Terminal, I want to hold the arrow keys, but instead it only moves the cursor one character and does not go further. And hello BluesKaj
[15:11] <Tryphis> rud0lf: ok perfect, i've read that in advance.
[15:11] <lotus|NUC> EoflaOE: try the #terminator channel perhaps
[15:11] <Tryphis> another noob question from me: is mate an official or unofficial ubuntu derivative?
[15:11] <EoflaOE> I will go there lotus|NUC
[15:13] <lotus|NUC> !flavors | Tryphis
[15:14] <Tryphis> ubottu: oh so its a flavour, not a derivative? that means i'm in the right channel?
[15:15] <Tryphis> lotus|NUC: thanks!
[15:15] <Tryphis> !flavors
[15:17] <Tryphis> ok i think i'm in the right channel. can i ask a question about network netstat?
[15:18] <lotus|NUC> Tryphis: we try to focus on ubuntu issues here mate
[15:18] <lotus|NUC> Tryphis: perhaps ##networking is more usefull for that question?
[15:19] <Tryphis> lotus|NUC: oh okay, thank you!
[15:20] <lotus|NUC> Tryphis: if your question regards the ubuntu part of networking you can ask here
[15:46] <rpifan> i cant seem to get my path variable to read .local/shared/bin
[15:46] <rpifan> no matter what i try
[15:47] <phobosoph> rpifan: what is PATH correctly set?
[15:52] <Sven_vB> the feel when you realize a failure late in the Bionic install process means your Xenial is already gone.
[15:52] <Sven_vB> :(
[15:52] <rpifan> did u have a backup
[15:52] <Sven_vB> nope
[15:52] <Sven_vB> I have recovery, but it would take 16 hours
[15:53] <rpifan> can you just go inside and pick the files you need
[15:53] <Sven_vB> I think that would take even longer, and require manual effort. (recovery would be automated)
[15:54] <rpifan> alas
[15:55] <Sven_vB> not worth it atm. it's meh but I still have hope it will be less effort to fix Bionic's ubiquity.
[15:55] <Sven_vB> I'll probably survive the day even w/o Youtube :)
[15:56] <BluesKaj> EoflaOE, never used the terminator terminal,  maybe ctl + Fn if you have that key ..just a guess
[15:56] <blackflow> Sven_vB: use the liveUSB as you back up data, that has youtube :)   then back up data, and reinstall anew
[15:57] <Sven_vB> blackflow, you mean reinstall Xenial? that is my automated recovery.
[15:57] <blackflow> Sven_vB: no, Bionic.
[15:58] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj, There is no "fn" key in my PS/2 Keyboard.
[15:58] <Sven_vB> blackflow, did you just volonteer to fix the Ubiquity bug for me? :D
[15:58] <blackflow> Sven_vB: what ubiquity bug?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> EoflaOE, then I have no idea
[15:58] <blackflow> andsure I have remedy for any and all ubiquity bugs.
[16:00] <Sven_vB> blackflow, the one where it just gives up because when its plugins return a non-zero exit code, with no option to retry or ignore or open an interactive terminal in the context in which the failing shell script would run.
[16:00] <Sven_vB> -because
[16:00] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj, Thanks anyway for helping, because I can't be bothered to repeatedly tap the arrow key all the time.
[16:01] <Sven_vB> blackflow, "def run(self):" in /usr/share/ubiquity/plugininstall.py is written very optimistic as you see
[16:02] <BluesKaj> EoflaOE, hold it down
[16:02] <Sven_vB> for language pack installation it has silent ignore, with no helpful debug actions available either
[16:02] <EoflaOE> BluesKaj, I will hold.
[16:02] <Sven_vB> but the other stuff just plain crashes horribly
[16:03] <blackflow> Sven_vB: so you're saying that regular installation of Bionic from scratch has problems in the installer?
[16:03] <Sven_vB> blackflow, so my plan was to add retry/ignore/terminal questions around each block, then try to fix the shell scripts or ignore the step if it's too complicated.
[16:03] <EoflaOE> Holding did not move the cursor continuously, it doesn't work on GUI either.
[16:05] <blackflow> Sven_vB: but now you've lost me. I thought you had breakage during upgrade from Xenial, you don't have backups and are now stuck? SO I recommended liveUSB, back up data, and reinstall Bionic from scratch.
[16:05] <Sven_vB> blackflow, depends on whether you accept bad UX as a bug. there's probably some invalid setting in my seed file, so if you dislike UX you just blame my seed file being buggy. (probably – Ubiquity's error message is so useless I don't even know if it's the seed.) as a UX activist I say the primary bug is the way in which ubiquity deals with the problem.
[16:05] <Sven_vB> blackflow, I didn't try and upgrade Xenial. I tried to replace it with a fresh install of Bionic-
[16:07] <nacc> Sven_vB: you are right that 'debugging' a preseed installation is not easy. That's not a bug, IMO. It's a feature :)
[16:07] <Sven_vB> I haven't lost any user data if you mean that with backup. and I ususally don't backup system files because I can just reinstall. if I start the Xenial reinstall now, the machine will be up and working in 16 hours.
[16:07] <blackflow> Sven_vB: well frankly, I've been debootstrapping almost all my ubuntu installations because I'm not in the mood for its quirks.
[16:09] <Sven_vB> blackflow, nacc, do you think the Ubuntu devs have enough priority on seeds to stay on that path? or should I try to not use any seed? (simulate manual user input instead)
[16:10] <Sven_vB> or ditch Ubiquity at all?
[16:10] <nacc> Sven_vB: 'priority on seeds'? Are you maybe using the term 'seed' wrong?
[16:11] <nacc> Sven_vB: in ubuntu, seeds are used by germinate to specify which package should be on the ISO/main/etc.
[16:11] <nacc> Sven_vB: preseed is a means to talk to d-i about options.
[16:11] <nacc> I'm pretty sure they are unrelated (preseed has nothing to do with germinate, afaik)
[16:11] <Sven_vB> I mean the file in which I write my debconf config so it can be read by the debconf preseed mechanism.
[16:11] <craigbass76> Has hplip gotten wonkey lately, or have I just got a bad printer? I've got a laserjet 1102w that looks like it installs fine, but won't print.
[16:12] <nacc> Sven_vB: i still don't know what you mean by 'priority on seeds'? are you asking if d-i is going to be used going forward?
[16:13] <aruns> Hi, anyone know why PermitRootLogin no might not take effect in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on an Ubuntu 18.04 box?
[16:13] <aruns> Could it be overridden by PAM or a similar utility?
[16:13] <Sven_vB> nacc, I meant whether they'll take bugs seriously that only occurr when used with a custom preseed file
[16:13] <nacc> Sven_vB: does your preseed have a syntax error?
[16:13] <craigbass76> aruns, I thought it was off by default
[16:13] <nacc> Sven_vB: d-i bugs are typically taken seriously, yes.
[16:13] <aruns> The root user has a valid entry in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[16:13] <Sven_vB> aruns, did you reload or restart sshd since?
[16:13] <aruns> Yes.
[16:13] <aruns> Sven_vB
[16:14] <Sven_vB> nacc, thanks. then maybe I'll report it if I can't fix it myself. or even report it with a patch if I can.
[16:14] <nacc> Sven_vB: sure
[16:15] <Sven_vB> aruns, how did you test whether the setting took effect?
[16:15] <aruns> By trying to log in as root from a separate shell Sven_vB
[16:15] <aruns> It prompted me for my password.
[16:16] <aruns> I can send you my sshd_config
[16:16] <aruns> It's for a client server.
[16:16] <Sven_vB> aruns, so you ssh'd into localhost?
[16:16] <aruns> No.
[16:16] <aruns> It's a client server.
[16:16] <Sven_vB> then please elaborate on "log in as root from a separate shell"
[16:16] <aruns> I spawned a new terminal instance.
[16:16] <aruns> I was SSHed in as a non root user.
[16:17] <aruns> So I spawned a new terminal window and tried to SSH in as root.
[16:17] <aruns> UsePAM is set to true
[16:17] <Sven_vB> so you logged into SSH as a non-root user and then ran su or sudo on the remote machine?
[16:17] <aruns> I don't know if that could be overriding anything.
[16:18] <Sven_vB> ah I think I see now
[16:18] <aruns> No, SSHed in as a non root user, I can gain elevated privileges, but then spawned a new window to try and SSH in as root.
[16:18] <aruns> To see if the directive took effect or not.
[16:18] <aruns> I will send you the client's sshd_config
[16:18] <Sven_vB> I'm probably confused about which actions happend on which machine.
[16:18] <aruns> To see if there is anything weird in there or not.
[16:18] <aruns> Yes.
[16:18] <aruns> :P
[16:21] <aruns> Sven_vB: Here is the sshd_config file from the client server: https://bpaste.net/show/1105276b8353
[16:22] <aruns> I take it that I shouldn't disable PAM for handling SSH login authentication?
[16:22] <Sven_vB> aruns, btw what is a "client server"?
[16:22] <aruns> It's just a backup server, but I still want to stick to best practices.
[16:22] <aruns> It's a backup server for a client site.
[16:22] <Sven_vB> so which role does it take in the SSH connection?
[16:23] <aruns> Oh!
[16:23] <aruns> It is my bad, sorry Sven_vB
[16:23] <aruns> I assumed PermitRootLogin would immediately reject the SSH connection attempt
[16:23] <aruns> Rather than attempt and then reject.
[16:24] <Sven_vB> oh. yeah. you wouldn't want to help someone trying to brute force in, by telling them whether it's worth their time.
[16:26] <OnceMe> hello
[16:26] <OnceMe> Im installing fresh ubuntu
[16:26] <OnceMe> but i cannot decide between 16 and 18
[16:26] <Sven_vB> OnceMe, try 18
[16:26] <OnceMe> 18.04 does not have home encryption and 16.04 does have
[16:26] <OnceMe> this is a deal breaker for me
[16:26] <Sven_vB> I'm sure bionic does have that.
[16:26] <OnceMe> it does not
[16:26] <Sven_vB> where did you expect to find it, and what did you find instead?
[16:27] <OnceMe> during the installation, it does not show that
[16:27] <Sven_vB> not even if you select manual partitioning and then check the menus/buttons labeled "more options" or alike?
[16:28] <Miar> And I am sure you can encrypt your home directory after installation.
[16:28] <PhilB> OnceMe: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/04/how-to-encrypt-home-folder-in-ubuntu.html
[16:29] <OnceMe> hmm 18.04 have encrypt option
[16:29] <OnceMe> but only for full disk
[16:29] <OnceMe> what if i have win/ubuntu
[16:29] <OnceMe> win will become useless
[16:29] <Sven_vB> OnceMe, another idea would be to set up some initial user account you don't really care about, and then use that to configure your real user account.
[16:30] <Sven_vB> OnceMe, I heard there are ways to use just a portion of the disk as a crypto container. you might need to prepare that in gparted before you start the installer.
[16:31] <OnceMe> ill go with 16 afterall
[16:31] <Sven_vB> OnceMe, it would be preferable to have all system, logs, temporary etc. directories in the crypto container because user data might leak there.
[16:31] <PhilB> You can still manually encrypt the home folder using ecryptfs just like in 16.04, but only after installation.  They have removed that option because ecryptfs is no longer supported.
[16:32] <PhilB> The link I posted above shows you exactly how to do that.  Here's the launchpad discussion where they say they have removed it.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1756613
[16:40] <TJ-> OnceMe: "full disk" encryption is a bit of misnomer. When you do a dual-boot install alongside MS Windows, it means the Ubuntu part will be encrypted, not the entire physical disk :)
[16:40] <blueingress> Hi, should I trust the security of snap in 18.04?
[16:40] <nacc> blueingress: depends on the snap, etc.
[16:40] <nacc> blueingress: or do you mean snap in general?
[16:41] <blueingress> nacc, hmm, yes. what kind of snap is ok?
[16:43] <blueingress> nacc, people said that the old version 16.04 using X is dangrous.
[16:44] <Sven_vB> wow
[16:44] <nacc> blueingress: confined snaps are generally safe if you trust the architecture of snaps in general. They can still have malicious content in them, in theory, but they are limited in what they can do. "classic" snaps are less restricted.
[16:45] <nacc> blueingress: i have no idea what your second sentence means "old version 16.04 using X" ?
[16:45] <nacc> blueingress: what does X have to do with snaps
[16:45] <Sven_vB> blueingress, did you use "X" as a placeholder, or do you mean the X as in Xorg?
[16:46] <blueingress> nacc, Sven_vB, https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-expert-matthew-garrett-ubuntu-16-04s-new-snap-format-is-a-security-risk/
[16:47] <nacc> blueingress: ok, don't use a desktop. Have a nice day :)
[16:47] <wildermind> Hi, I am using Ubuntu 16 and want to upgrade to 18 now. What are the steps to do so and save the data I have on the disk? URL is good as well :)
[16:47] <tgm4883> blueingress: that's a misintpretation of the article. Snap itself isn't the risk there
[16:49] <tgm4883> blueingress: snap itself can't mitigate the security issues with X. But saying Snap isn't secure if you are using X is ignore the fact that everything is insecure that runs in X for the same reason
[16:50] <ntd> to make matters even more fun: canonical have decided not to bother with security updates for gnome, openssh and vlc for 16.04
[16:50] <nacc> !info vlc xenial
[16:50] <ntd> "oh, but gnome and vlc are "universe""
[16:50] <tgm4883> ntd: really?
[16:50] <ntd> mhm
[16:50] <nacc> ntd: please stop spreading FUD.
[16:50] <ntd> friggin gnome
[16:50] <ntd> nacc, it is true though
[16:50] <tgm4883> source?
[16:50] <ntd> gimme a sec
[16:51] <nacc> ntd: 'canonical' does not provide security support to universe, so vlc is a total red herring.
[16:51] <blueingress> thansk nacc,
[16:51] <tgm4883> I'd find it difficult to believe they don't provide security updates to Gnome
[16:52] <ntd> nhttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2018/CVE-2018-14424.html
[16:52] <nacc> tgm4883: there's a distinction between ubuntu-desktop and gnome, technically in 16.04
[16:52] <ntd> local (remotable) root in gnome since august
[16:53] <nacc> ntd: it just says "needed" it doesn't say "wont fix"
[16:53] <nacc> ntd: so stop spreading FUD, as I said.
[16:53] <ntd> nacc, been two months. how can sourced truths lead to uncertainty
[16:54] <blueingress> tgm4883, so how can snap guarantee the security of the apps installed from snap store..
[16:54] <nacc> ntd: what is your truth? It hasn't been fixed. You stated a gross exaggeration "canonical have decided not to bother with security updates"
[16:54] <nacc> ntd: so back your tone down maybe
[16:54] <tgm4883> nacc: ntd can this get moved to #ubuntu-discuss
[16:55] <ntd> nacc, also: debian is *entirely* community-maintained and we don't see them pulling stuff like this
[16:55] <tgm4883> blueingress: I don't think there was any guarentee of that?
[16:55] <blackflow> blueingress: "guarantee"? it can't.  provider "reasonable levels of", it can by isolating it rootfs from the rest of the system and applying an apparmor profile to it, where possible.
[16:56] <blackflow> *provide
[16:56] <ntd> openssh and gdm3 have been fixed upstream. vlc2 can easily be bumped to vlc3 (as deb did)
[16:56] <Sven_vB> blueingress, all apps that run on the same X server need to trust each other. if you want more separation, you can run a separate X server for each snap app.
[16:57] <Sven_vB> blueingress, you could use an X server that offer VNC login for example
[16:57] <ntd> reason i'm mentioning this is the questions about xenial security re snap
[16:57] <blackflow> Sven_vB: but then you share the same nvidia blob with gods know what vulns :)
[16:57] <Sven_vB> blackflow, you'd only need that for 3D right?
[16:57] <blackflow> so back to nacc's "don't use the desktop" answer if absolute security is required.
[16:57] <blackflow> Sven_vB: no. gnome requires hw accel these days.
[16:57] <tgm4883> Is wayland not the answer?
[16:58] <blackflow> it is, I hope.
[16:58] <blueingress> Sven_vB, I will move to 18.04 if there is now X on desktop version.
[16:58] <Sven_vB> blackflow, yeah don't run gnome in those other X servers. :D
[16:58] <tgm4883> ntd: while I agree that it looks bad, you're specifically linking to gdm3. Is that used in a default Ubuntu 16.04 install? (IDK, I use Kubuntu)
[16:59] <ntd> apparently default is lightdm
[16:59] <tgm4883> it is
[16:59] <ntd> still we're taliking friggin *gnome*
[16:59] <nacc> ntd: no, you're talking gdm3 which is not gnome.
[17:00] <blueingress> blackflow, tgm4883, Thanks. do you use snap apps?
[17:00] <tgm4883> blueingress: not if I don't have to. Although I believe slack is a snap
[17:00] <nacc> tgm4883: it is, confined
[17:01] <blackflow> blueingress: yup
[17:01] <tgm4883> nacc: apparently not  $ snap list
[17:01] <tgm4883> No snaps are installed yet. Try 'snap install hello-world'.
[17:01] <blackflow> PyCharm is so neatly packed up as a snap, so that's the only snap I use, beside the default system ones in Bionic.
[17:01] <nacc> tgm4883: well, it might *also* be offered as a deb by slack :) but it's a snap yes
[17:01] <tgm4883> ah ok
[17:02] <tgm4883> Yea so is vscode, but I run that from a repo too
[17:02] <blueingress> blackflow, tgm4883, I have something installed for test... like brave core redis-desktop-manager sublime-text wire
[17:05] <tgm4883> blueingress: don't get me wrong, I think snaps are probably a good thing overall when done correctly, and eventually we'll all be on wayland so that security issue will be resolved. But I too often see snaps done just to make a snap, which I think is bad
[17:16] <tonyt> it is grill time once again https://i.imgur.com/EPzafuJ.jpg
[17:17] <blueingress> tgm4883, snap make linux more like windows. lol
[17:19] <tgm4883> blueingress: not exactly. The good parts of windows I suppose (being able to release an app that works on all distros of linux)
[17:20] <leftyfb> tonyt: Try #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:20] <tgm4883> tonyt: while I appreciate a good BBQ, that is wildly off topic for this channel
[17:23] <tonyt> sorry for being off topic. it is friday and thought ide share a cook pic :)
[17:26] <Sven_vB> tonyt, thanks. :)
[17:34] <OnceMe> I have an issue installinh system in uefi mode
[17:34] <OnceMe> Im in uefi bootable usb mode
[17:34] <OnceMe> and im custom installing partitions
[17:34] <OnceMe> do I need /boot/efi partition?
[17:34] <OnceMe> I have / ext4
[17:35] <EoflaOE> What was your partition table showing? and what error message did it appear?
[17:35] <OnceMe> i could not load the grub
[17:36] <OnceMe> it was /dev/sda1 efi
[17:36] <OnceMe> and then /dev/sda2 ext2
[17:36] <OnceMe> and then /dev/sda3
[17:36] <OnceMe> with no type, but 450G used
[17:36] <pragmaticenigma> OnceMe: Please try to keep everything one one line, it makes it easier to read and follow along. Thanks
[17:36] <OnceMe> before installation I marked disable secure boot (uefi something) and set some password
[17:37] <OnceMe> ok thanks
[17:37] <OnceMe> im not sure why is ext2 though, I thought ext4 is better
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> OnceMe: Ext4 is the same as Ext2, with additional features. The filesystem itself is the same.
[17:38] <OnceMe> ok, what is wrong then
[17:38] <OnceMe> and why is sda3 unknown filetype
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> OnceMe: Have you installed Ubuntu or another distro before with UEFI? IS there a reason for custom partitioning?
[17:39] <OnceMe> this is installed on fresh hdd, where ubuntu did everything for me
[17:39] <OnceMe> thats why I expected it to work, out of the box
[17:39] <OnceMe> I think Im forced now to do custom partitioning
[17:39] <OnceMe> pragmaticenigma: no, this is the new hdd
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> OnceMe: Then I would forgo the custom partition unless you absolutely need it for something.
[17:40] <OnceMe> ok, but how do I fix this
[17:40] <OnceMe> I have useless laptop
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> !uefi | OnceMe
[17:40] <OnceMe> its not loading grub loader
[17:40] <OnceMe> I read that
[17:40] <OnceMe> did not find anything useful, unless I do custom partitioning
[17:41] <OnceMe> I did (Turn off Secure Boot)
[17:42] <Elysium3301> What kind of device do you have OnceMe?
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> OnceMe: Is it absolutely necassary to install in UEFI mode? If this is the only operating system going to be used on that computer, I'd switch to legacy
[17:42] <OnceMe> pragmaticenigma: no
[17:42] <OnceMe> Ill have win8 in dual
[17:43] <OnceMe> https://youtu.be/LHIIPXw_7o0?t=63
[17:43] <OnceMe> I have Turn off secure boot
[17:43] <OnceMe> there
[17:43] <Elysium3301> Is it one of those Windows tablets by any chance?
[17:44] <TJ-> OnceMe: what is the actual problem? 1) You can boot the Ubuntu installer in UEFI mode, yes?  2) Does the installer run to completion? 3) Is there no Ubuntu entry in the system's UEFI boot menu when the PC reboots?
[17:45] <OnceMe> I have UEFI secure boot enabled
[17:45] <OnceMe> UEFI secure boot is not compatible with the user fof these third parety drivers
[17:45] <OnceMe> After installation compleytes, ubuntu will assist you in disableing uefi secure boot
[17:45] <OnceMe> that never happened
[17:45] <OnceMe> cause I never logged in ubuntu, as i cannot load it
[17:52] <Sven_vB> sounds strange. wouldn't it need to disable secure boot *before* rebooting? I'd prefer to even prepare such stuff before *installing*.
[17:53] <Sven_vB> same as my problem with ubiquity… if the steps prone to failure come first, it's way cheaper on time and less destructive.
[17:53]  * Sven_vB dreams of a world where Ubiquity will do all preseed config validity checks right upfront.
[17:54] <Sven_vB> or maybe where someone would merge my garbage collection work-around patch into mainline, it's been some years now.
[17:55] <aidrocsid> About to do an install with my root in my new SSD and my home on one of my HDDs, how big a partition would y'all suggest for the root?
[17:56] <aidrocsid> Or more to the point, how *small* a partition can I get away with?
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> aidrocsid: that's not really a support question and more opinion. what works well for one person may not work for you
[17:57] <Sven_vB> akd
[17:57] <Sven_vB> sorry
[17:57] <nacc> aidrocsid: it really depends on how much space you need
[17:57] <tgm4883> aidrocsid: how big is your SSD
[17:57] <cim-ios> Anyone tried the 4.18 kernel?
[17:58] <EoflaOE> cim-ios: Not yet.
[17:58] <nacc> cim-ios: not ontopic for this channel
[17:58] <cim-ios> Nacc it is if I am gonna use it on ubuntu
[17:58] <aidrocsid> 120GB SSD. I want to throw a windows partition on there also with enough space for a couple games.
[17:58] <aidrocsid> So I'd like to lean toward the slim side
[17:58] <nacc> cim-ios: it's only supported on 18.10 which is in #ubuntu+1
[17:58] <nacc> cim-ios: and if you are using a mainline build, it's not supproted at all
[17:59] <aidrocsid> Is there a general ubuntu discussion channel that's not explicitly support?
[17:59] <tgm4883> aidrocsid: Slimmist I'd be comfortable with would be 20GB
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | aidrocsid
[17:59] <tgm4883> aidrocsid: #ubuntu-discuss
[17:59] <cim-ios> What kernels does 18.04 support? Besides 4.15
[17:59] <aidrocsid> Aha
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> tgm4883: That isn't what they asked for
[17:59] <aidrocsid> Thanks <3
[17:59] <tgm4883> cim-ios: 4.15
[17:59] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: you sure?
[18:00] <nacc> cim-ios: that's the only currently supported one
[18:00] <cim-ios> Hmm ok
[18:00] <aidrocsid> I don't know what the difference in rule sets between offtopic and discuss is, but I think it's more discuss.
[18:00] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: "general ubuntu discussion channel"....  "ubuntu discussion"... "ubuntu discuss".... "#ubuntu-discuss"
[18:00] <cim-ios> Thank you guys
[18:00] <TJ-> aidrocsid: I generally allow 8G initially for /, and 6-8 for /var/ (I use LVM and don't allocate all space to LVs initially - extend them if/when needed)
[18:02] <aidrocsid> Cool, so like 20ish will probably do the trick. Thanks!
[18:03] <OnceMe> after fresh ubuntu install and when i restrat it
[18:04] <OnceMe> I get an error
[18:04] <OnceMe> platform MSFT..: failed to claim resource 1: [mem 0xfed40000-0xfed40ffff] acpi MSFT ...: platform device creation failed: -16
[18:04] <OnceMe> what to do?
[18:04] <OnceMe> to press enter or?
[18:06] <OnceMe> enter did not work
[18:20] <aidrocsid> Anybody ever set up Ubuntu to use the same swap as Windows?
[18:21] <nacc> aidrocsid: that doesn't make sense
[18:22] <EoflaOE> I am sorry that I have to go to sleep now. Goodbye.
[18:22] <aidrocsid> I mean, the answer may be "no", but it certainly makes sense as a question to ask. I found a potential experimental method, but it requires making a script to reformat the partition when you boot into or out of linux lol
[18:23] <nacc> aidrocsid: then it's not the 'same'
[18:24] <nacc> aidrocsid: you are basically asking can i use a partition in windows and then do stuff to use it in linux. of course you can.
[18:24] <aidrocsid> It'd be the same partition, just different file systems.
[18:24] <nacc> aidrocsid: you seem to know the answer to your own question then :)
[18:24] <hggdh> it is the same computer, just different OSes
[18:25] <aidrocsid> Well, I know the answer to the wonky impractical way of doing it. I suppose now I know the other answer too.
[18:26] <aidrocsid> I think in the end it's going to be best to just do a windows install on the SSD, though, as then I can actually have room to store some games on it.
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> aidrocsid: I would think the amount of effort to get that running stabily outweighs any benefits you gain by it
[18:26] <aidrocsid> Yeah, totally.
[18:26] <aidrocsid> I don't like *need* my ubuntu install to be on my SSD, nice as it might be. It moves plenty quick most of the time.
[18:29] <TJ-> aidrocsid: Windows doesn't use a swap partition, it has a swap file in the NTFS
[18:30] <aidrocsid> Oh okay, so it's probably included in the install size
[18:30] <aidrocsid> Still, 8gb won't make it less silly to throw a needless ubuntu partition on my gaming install
[18:31] <TJ-> aidrocsid: how much RAM does the PC have?
[18:31] <aidrocsid> 8gb
[18:32] <TJ-> aidrocsid: then unless you want to Hibernate you don't really need swap. If you do want it to give some headroom I'd use 'zram' instead
[18:32] <TJ-> !info zram-config | aidrocsid
[18:33] <TJ-> aidrocsid: ignore 'Upstart' in that description; the maintainer was being tardy not correcting it! It uses systemd now
[18:33] <aidrocsid> Honestly, the only time I get less performance out of my current ubuntu install than I'd like is when gaming, which the win 10 partition solves.
[18:41] <inquisitiv3> I'm going to hold an introductory workshop to Linux for my fellow CS students at my university. We are probably talking about 10-20 people and their laptops. I'll guide them trough installing Ubuntu and some other software. What is the simplest distribution method for the ISOs?
[18:42] <inquisitiv3> I would like to avoid spreading malware by using USB memories.
[18:43] <leftyfb> inquisitiv3: if you properly create ubuntu installation usb drives, they will not have malware on them
[18:43] <TJ-> inquisitiv3: USB flash devices, or set up a PXE/TFTP/{HTTP/NFS} node
[18:43] <inquisitiv3> We'll probably install Ubuntu in a VM using Virtual box.
[18:43] <leftyfb> inquisitiv3: then just copy the iso onto each windows desktop
[18:43] <leftyfb> inquisitiv3: or a shared drive
[18:43] <TJ-> inquisitiv3: in which case the ISO on a network share
[18:44] <leftyfb> inquisitiv3: regardless, your question is not of the ubuntu support nature
[18:44] <inquisitiv3> leftyfb: I was thinking that maybe I'll get some suggestions (like I got).
[18:44] <Jordan_U> leftyfb: This still seems within the topic of this channel to me.
[18:44] <leftyfb> inquisitiv3: future reference. This is a support channel. Not discussion or suggestions.
[18:45] <leftyfb> Jordan_U: We are each entitled to our opinions. Those opinions do not change facts.
[18:46] <leftyfb> inquisitiv3: good luck
[18:46] <inquisitiv3> leftyfb: Thanks!
[18:48] <leftyfb> inquisitiv3: If this is going to be a regular event, maybe look into building a proper lab with a PXE server. It's a fun project to learn.
[18:53] <inquisitiv3> leftyfb: It'll probably be just one or two events, but thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into that if it'll become a regular thing.
[18:59] <me1t> Hello, I am having trouble getting XRDP to work. VNC works fine. Here is my log output from xrdp-sesman.log, https://bpaste.net/show/71d5a1b1287b
[18:59] <me1t> Lubuntu 18.04
[18:59] <Jordan_U> inquisitiv3: It can also be good pedagogically to have them download the iso themselves from ubuntu.com .
[19:01] <ioria> melt did you set a ~/.xsession  ?
[19:01] <me1t> i note, when i just run xrdp manually, instead of calling it with systemd, it does work
[19:02] <me1t> ioria: thank you for helping me. Yes i have it set just like https://www.hiroom2.com/2018/05/07/ubuntu-1804-xrdp-lxde-en/
[19:03] <ioria> melt what you mean with 'calling it with systemd' ?
[19:04] <me1t> systemctl start xrdp results in an error, one moment
[19:04] <ioria> melt it should autostart, iirc
[19:05] <me1t> https://bpaste.net/show/b274f36169d0 here is the systemctl statuses
[19:05] <me1t> Yes i agree that it should, i am trying to discover why it will not start, and there is no error that is producing a result on googling
[19:09] <ioria> melt [Agent: m204-anjinRulez (Running) Total HR: [0.00Kh/s] Miners running [0] GPUs [none active]]    no idea what  can it be
[19:15] <inquisitiv3> Jordan_U: I considered that, but I think that the LAN doesn't handle 15 people trying to download >1GB ISOs well. Not a timely manor at least.
[19:18] <ioria> melt  can you paste  /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config  ?
[19:20] <me1t> ioria, thanks but i dont have that file, here is a paste of the ls of relevant dirs i believe may help https://bpaste.net/show/4efbb5b7eb0e
[19:20] <ioria> melt  are you sure ? what ubuntu version ?
[19:21] <me1t> lubuntu 18.04 with latest apt upgrade
[19:24] <me1t> looking here http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=8316
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> melt... those instructions are for Ubuntu 15.04 ... not 18.04... there are some pretty big changes to Ubuntu since then
[19:25] <me1t> yeah i see
[19:26] <pragmaticenigma> me1t: have you seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/xrdp
[19:27] <me1t> hmmm no thanks pragmaticenigma trying that now
[19:32] <ioria> melt  let us know if it works, so we can try something else
[19:34] <me1t> No, that didn't work, and i tried reinstalling, and now, i cannot get the package to reconfigure.
[19:35] <me1t> https://bpaste.net/show/670abd1c197e
[19:35] <me1t> This sucks, I am going to have to start all the way over and kiss 3 more hours of work goodbye
[19:35] <me1t> Well i have an identical box here, with the same symptoms
[19:36] <leftyfb> me1t: can I ask why you need RDP to begin with? What's wrong with VNC or something like teamviewer?
[19:36] <me1t> So we can at least continue troubleshooting. What's next? the colord fix did not dchange it. And also, i believe since i am not getting a /var/log/xrdp.log at all, sesman is the cultprit
[19:37] <me1t> leftyfb: VNC and teamviewer are installed and working properly. For this, RDP is also needed
[19:37] <ioria> melt  what is pimp-core ?
[19:37] <leftyfb> me1t: for what purpose?
[19:37] <me1t> it is another package that i was installing which Depends on xrdp
[19:37] <ioria> just the name is disturbing
[19:37] <me1t> leftyfb: For the purpose of people that are very noob windows users to use our product.
[19:38] <me1t> ioria: Sorry, you may disregard it, it is part of a monitoring package that we use
[19:38] <ioria> yep
[19:38] <me1t> I am on a fresh box now without the apt problem
[19:38] <ioria> melt  consider that it's not an ubuntu pkg
[19:39] <me1t> I made that package
[19:39] <me1t> I know every file in it and what it does.
[19:39] <me1t> I think i'm going to change some of the Depends to Recommends potentially
[19:40] <me1t> Can someone show me a healthy sesman log perhaps?
[19:42] <ioria> melt  the problem ,in mho, is (dpkg: error processing package pimp-core (--configure):) and  2 not fully installed
[19:42] <me1t> hmm found one from ubuntu 16.04 but it does not give a clue
[19:42] <me1t> ioria: Please disregard that, I am on a fresh box now where pimp-core is not installed and xrdp is properly installed.
[19:42] <ioria> melt  and not working ?
[19:43] <me1t> Yes and it's not starting xrdp service
[19:43] <me1t> https://bpaste.net/show/19547b9146fb
[19:43] <ioria> melt ok, try this :  sudo nano /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
[19:43] <me1t> ok
[19:43] <ioria> melt   put in ti :   allowed_users = anybody
[19:45] <ioria> melt   save and reboot
[19:45] <nacc> the lines are truncated on the log, as well (journalctl has a flag to avoid that)
[19:45] <me1t> weird, there's no xrdp .service files on the 16.04 box
[19:46] <nacc> me1t: in /lib/systemd/system ?
[19:46] <dwigton> Having trouble convincing ubunut 18.04 that I want to always boot to the shell. Is there a setting for that in /etc/default/grub?
[19:46] <ioria> 16.04 should use .service units
[19:47] <nacc> dwigton: you mean to a tty?
[19:47] <ioria> dwigton, sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[19:47] <dwigton> nacc yes, probably.
[19:47] <me1t> it does, but it does not have any for xrdp - really weird
[19:47] <nacc> dwigton: you can 1) install server; 2) remve the desktop; 3) set a different target as ioria just said :)
[19:48] <dwigton> ioria: But I have to put that in /boot/grub correct? isn't that auto generated?
[19:48] <me1t> same results after reboot
[19:48] <ioria> dwigton, nope
[19:48] <ioria> melt uname -r, please
[19:48] <nacc> dwigton: fwiw, you never put anything in /boot/grub
[19:48] <me1t> 4.15.0-30-generic
[19:49] <me1t> the first one was updated to 4.15.0-36-generic
[19:49] <nacc> me1t: can you get the non-truncated log?
[19:50] <dwigton> ioria: nacc ok I meant /boot/grub/grub.conf I am not sure where to put that line otherwise.
[19:50] <ioria> dwigton, in terminal (it's a command)
[19:51] <TJ-> melt: xdrp on 16.04 still uses SysV init script
[19:51] <nacc> dwigton: still the wrong place :) you don't edit tht file, but /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/*
[19:51] <nacc> dwigton: but in any case, what ioria said is a command you run as root
[19:51] <dwigton> Oh duh! sorry. I did not read your response throughly. I assumed it was the same like I saw other people putting directly into the .conf
[19:51] <nacc> dwigton: which changes the systemd 'target' to non-graphical
[19:52] <dwigton> thanks.
[19:52] <me1t> nacc: good idea, i see it is unable to create the pid file, https://bpaste.net/show/791a70b90ac7
[19:54] <nacc> me1t: yeah, seems easy enough to debug
[19:55] <me1t> Not sure how to proceed still
[19:56] <nacc> me1t: does that path exist?
[19:57] <ioria> melt can confirm that xrdp works ok on lubuntu 18.04
[19:57] <me1t> yes, /var/run exists
[19:57] <TJ-> me1t: is there actually a systemd unit file created (maybe under /etc/systemd/system/ ) for that? Because systemd is reaping the process because the pid file doesn't exist, which infers systemd has been told to expect that PID file
[19:58] <me1t> TJ- no it is using the /lib/systemd/system units that it installed via apt
[19:59] <TJ-> me1t: I thought you're using 16.04 ?
[20:00] <me1t> No, i have two boxes of 18.04, and i was comparing to a 16.04 box where it is working
[20:00] <me1t> This xrdp was working before, i am not sure how it got broken
[20:00] <TJ-> me1t: oh!!! I must have missed that bit :D
[20:01] <me1t> God, this was the only last bit before i could be done
[20:05] <compdoc> me1t, this is ubuntu 18 desktop version?
[20:09] <TJ-> me1t: the problem is quite obvious. The log reports "Can't open PID file /var/run/xrdp-sesman.pid" but the xrdp-sesman.service file sets PIDFile=<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:09] <TJ-> me1t: looks like a bug in the package to me
[20:10] <me1t> swore i created /var/run/xrdp already
[20:10] <TJ-> me1t: that isn't the issue - the issue the paths are different!
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> Doesn't x11vnc have an option for webbrowser viewer?
[20:11] <me1t> i dont want that i want rdp->vnc like i have always had
[20:11] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I found the other day a package called "novnc" for that
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> me1t: The thought was, with the webbrowser client, your customer wouldn't need to install a viewer at all. They could just navigate to the site like "http://www.example.com:5800" and they'd encounter a VNC session that runs inside a web browser
[20:13] <me1t> Good ingo
[20:13] <me1t> I have a developer helping me now. He believes that we have purged some packages along the way that were needed by xrdp
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> me1t: There wouldn't be a need for a translation from another protocol... any webbrowser would work (the version I'm familiar with did require Java plugin, but I think that's no longer the case in newer versions)
[20:14] <me1t> Yes
[20:15] <me1t> SMH - spent 2 hours fighting this - and he fixed in 10 mins
[20:17] <TJ-> looks to me like the mention of "pidfile="/var/run/xrdp-sesman.pid" " in rc.d/xrdp is where the conflict is arising
[20:30] <me1t> TJ- no, it was missing some apport and pyython package
[20:30] <TJ-> you mean the packages were in a broken state?
[20:32] <me1t> no, i had previously removed packages that were needed but xrdp did not have them as a dependency correctly
[20:33] <me1t> dev says "https://bpaste.net/show/174c824aee27"
[20:36] <TJ-> me1t: well, all those apport and python packages are the crash-report tooling, nothing to do with xrdp
[20:38] <me1t> TJ-: ah, looks like apt knows correctly - and tey are needed by it - so i goofed when i purged them
[20:39] <me1t> further, my dev has found some issues with our ini file which he is parsing up now
[20:42] <TJ-> me1t: none of those packages would have affected the core problem; which was that systemd was expecting the PID file at a different location - that is either down to a bug in the Ubuntu package or something you changed, or some manual install you did
[20:42] <TJ-> me1t: if you changed something, then purging and re-installing may well have fixed it
[20:42] <me1t> Yes
[20:45] <me1t> Well, he's working away now. Thanks for the help guys! It was good to learn some more about how these systems work
[21:02] <plus2equalsme> The wiki seems to be out of date. Which iso should I use to install a non-server command line only system?
[21:03] <nacc> plus2equalsme: why don't you want server?
[21:05] <plus2equalsme> nacc: primary purpose is a plex media server on ancient (but still 64bit) hardware (even lubuntu runs sluggishly). I don't need all the webserver stuff on it, although something to allow me to transfer files to it over the network would be nice
[21:08] <TJ-> plus2equalsme: the -server installer doesn't install a web-server if you don't select it, you get the option to select which 'server' services to install
[21:08] <plus2equalsme> TJ: that seems to be the missing information, thank you, I will try it.
[21:08] <TJ-> plus2equalsme: sounds to me like using the -server installer and install just openssh-server may be sufficient
[21:09] <plus2equalsme> thank you TJ
[21:10] <TJ-> plus2equalsme: you should get to this screen: https://www.maketecheasier.com/assets/uploads/2017/03/nextcloud-select-packages-to-install-ubuntu-server-e1490327298167.png
[21:11] <tgm4883> plus2equalsme: the -server ISO is what you want. I do something similar although I run the plex docker container on it
[21:11] <TJ-> plus2equalsme: deselect "LAMP server" to avoid Apache/MySql/PHP, choose "OpenSSH server" for remote access
[21:11] <tgm4883> plus2equalsme: but as TJ- suggested, you'll get a screen that lets you select options
[21:12] <plus2equalsme> Perfect, thank you TJ and tgm4883 Time to download a new iso and get to work
[21:14] <plus2equalsme> Download from https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server or a different link?
[21:16] <TJ-> plus2equalsme: yes, or if you want more detail/options http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/bionic/daily/current/
[21:16] <plus2equalsme> I'd prefer something just a bit more stable than a daily release
[21:20] <nacc> plus2equalsme: that's not a daily release.
[21:20] <nacc> plus2equalsme: it's the daily copy of the iso
[21:20] <nacc> plus2equalsme: meaning it requires fewer updates to download
[21:21] <nacc> plus2equalsme: install from daily iso and apt update/upgrade == install from release iso and apt update/upgrade
[21:26] <[Eli]> Hello guys, if I install Ubuntu 18.10 beta or Ubuntu 18.10 beta daily will I be able to update to the final release when it's available on the 18th or will I need to do a clean install?
[21:26] <[Eli]> Thanks in advance.
[21:29] <TJ-> [Eli]: you'll have what is released on the ISO before the ISO is released :)
[21:29] <TJ-> [Eli]: ISOs are just a snapshot at an instant in time of the state of the packages in the archive
[21:30] <plus2equalsme> ah, I understand now, thank you nacc
[21:31] <plus2equalsme> Oy,someone in my neighborhood is using up all the bandwidth!
[21:32] <[Eli]> @TJ-, Thanks, but I'm not too sure, I want to install the beta now and then just update to the final when it's released, will I be able to do that or not?
[21:32] <nacc> [Eli]: short answer, yes. you should be updating every day like anyone else :)
[21:33] <nacc> [Eli]: you don't 'just update to the final' when it's released. you keep your system up to date like anything else.
[21:33] <[Eli]> @nacc, thanks, so if I install the daily build this will keep updating then.
[21:33] <[Eli]> I won't need to do anything special.
[21:33] <plus2equalsme> [Eli] coming from a mostly mac or windows background?
[21:34] <nacc> [Eli]: why are you installing a beta?
[21:34] <[Eli]> Yes @plus2equalsme
[21:34] <nacc> [Eli]: if you are not experienced with ubuntu, you should stick to LTS unless you have a reason not to. So 18.04.
[21:35] <[Eli]> @nacc, because I have been trying another Linux, but it has some HiDPI issues and I like the improvements overall in the upcoming Ubuntu, so I rahter just do a clean install right now rather than wait for the 18th.
[21:35] <plus2equalsme> Ah, gotcha [Eli] *nix alphas and betas do not work anywhere near the same way they do with mac and windows. You won't have to do anything special, for the most part you're just getting everything early
[21:35] <nacc> [Eli]: and you understand you will have to upgrade in ~9 months?
[21:35] <nacc> [Eli]: and every 6-9 months after that, for the next two years?
[21:36] <nacc> (a little less than two  years)
[21:36] <[Eli]>  [Eli]: and you understand you will have to upgrade in ~9 months? hmmm how so??
[21:36] <nacc> [Eli]: non-LTS are only supported for 9 months
[21:36] <hggdh> [Eli]: because 18.10 is only supported for 9 months
[21:36] <nacc> [Eli]: I'm fairly confident in saying you should use 18.04
[21:37] <nacc> [Eli]: what "improvements" are you referring to that are relevant?
[21:37] <[Eli]> Ok nacc, thanks.
[21:37] <plus2equalsme> anyone have the pretty bargraph that explains the LTS/non LTS life cycle?
[21:38] <[Eli]> nacc, I basically like the fact that supposedly this version has higher HiDPI support and also I like the new enhancements to the GUI.
[21:38] <bprompt> [Eli]:    bear in mind that Even Year and on April releases, namely LTS, are supported for 5 years, nonLTS are just for supported till the next one comes out
[21:39] <nacc> plus2equalsme: this? https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[21:39] <plus2equalsme> that's the one nacc might be an easy way to explain why 18.10 might not be such a good idea
[21:45] <[Eli]> @bprompt, so do LTS releases also get all the latest goodies too such as the latest Nautilus for instance? I'm a little confused on how it works.
[21:46] <[Eli]> I know the 18.10 will bring the new Gnome etc. will people in the current LTS get this too when it's released?
[21:47] <nacc> [Eli]: no
[21:47] <nacc> !latest
[21:47] <nacc> !hwe
[21:47] <nacc> [Eli]: read those
[21:47] <[Eli]> Alright, thanks @nacc for that info.
[22:18] <Edisto> is ther e aplace to get previous kernels that ubuntu has had recently?
[22:19] <Edisto> in particular i need kernel 4.15.0-33
[22:21] <nacc> Edisto: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/linux-image-4.15.0-33-generic
[22:21] <nacc> you can download individual debs from p.u.c; but you'll need to find all the dependencies, etc.
[22:22] <nacc> Edisto: are you trying to determine if there was a regression
[22:23] <Edisto> nacc: Switched to Kubuntu and it came with 29. Upgrading to anything above 33 breaks my amdgpu-pro drivers
[22:24] <jcdutton> Edisto, -33 should still be installed
[22:25] <jcdutton> look ls /boot
[22:25] <Edisto> jcdutton: I did a clean install. It's only 34 and 36
[22:26] <Edisto> hmm... even 29 is missing
[22:28] <jcdutton> Edisto, how much spare space has /boot got?
[22:29] <Edisto> jcdutton: how do I tell?
[22:33] <jcdutton> df
[22:37] <Edisto> i dont see /boot but if its part of my regular drive i have 24% used only out of 500gigs
[22:42] <Edisto> brb rebooting
[22:49] <plus2equalsme> something odd going on with this server install. I never did get the package option, but it did offer me a bunch of snaps, of which I didn't select any, however, on first boot cloud-init is currently running
[23:34] <bray90820_> Can someone help me get the BCM 4331 wifi card workin on my macbook pro with the latest LTS
[23:48] <EliterFFC> I've been trying to get Samba to host a shared folder that I can access from my Windows box. Every time I try to connect to the shared folder over the network on my Windows box, it never seems to work.
[23:48] <EliterFFC> I've tried several tutorials online, and I'm not really sure what's going on.
[23:49] <EliterFFC> I was wondering if it could be a security thing on the Windows side.