[02:28] <Wayward_Vagabond> Did my message get through last time either?
[02:28] <Wayward_Vagabond> This wifi connection is unstable -_-
[12:51] <debkad> hello, i'm using lubuntu 14.04.5 lts trusty, wonder about a good ppa or something to have xfce 4.12 , as i want to switch to the new xfce
[12:55] <debkad> when googling i found 2 at least, one is using xubuntu-dev and another using upd8
[12:55] <debkad> both ppa *
[12:59] <debkad> it is died here, have a nice sleep
[13:57] <Skarota> Hi, i have a pc with Xubuntu 14.10. The problem is that I can not see the WiFi icon, and then I can no longer connect manually. Someone has a solution?
[14:20] <mmoai> hi. i'm using ubuntu 14.04 and my keyboads shortcuts (i.e. to start xfce4-appfinder) sometimes work and sometimes don't. The xfwm shortcuts always work
[14:20] <mmoai> i'm not technically using xubuntu, i think, since I simply installed xfce4-desktop ontop of a normal ubuntu
[14:23] <mmoai> i've tried some potential solutions to this, for example resetting all shortcuts to the default, making sure there are no duplicates in the corresponding file in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/...
[14:23] <mmoai> it's "decided" if the shortcuts work immediately after logging in. That is, either they work from the beginning (after logging in) or they don't work at all
[14:24] <mmoai> I would guess some xfce daemon does not start properly or starts twice or smth along the lines of that
[14:24] <mmoai> but I don't know where to look for solutions to this problem
[16:00] <xubuntu11i> hi
[17:02] <leof2sun> !
[17:19] <xubuntu18w> hi i got a question i done a fresh install of xubuntu 16.4 and i can not configure the disply but when i do the try xubuntu i can configure the display to what ever size i want
[17:20] <xubuntu18w> how can i do it on the full install i have been trying for 3 days now
[19:29] <xubuntu17i> Yakkety install seemed unusually quick. About nine minutes from beginning to end.
[19:48] <pavlushka> wow
[20:02] <Azrael84> Anyone else found it is quite tricky to resize windows in xubuntu? grabbing the edges has to be uber precise (this is my first time on xubuntu after many years of ubuntu)
[20:02] <Azrael84> Is there a tweak to correct this?
[20:04] <knome> Azrael84, try some of the tips here: http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[20:06] <Azrael84> thanks
[20:06] <Azrael84> the alt and right-click method seems a good alternative
[20:06] <knome> indeed, once you use it, you can't go back
[20:07] <Azrael84> I'm also having some issues with resizing terminal splits (byobu)
[20:07] <Azrael84> alt-shift up/down worked fine on ubuntu
[20:07] <Azrael84> but in xubuntu it doesn't do much
[20:07] <Azrael84> the split will seem to resize then bounce back to 50% 50%
[20:07] <Azrael84> Any tips for that?
[20:08] <knome> under settings manager -> window manager tweaks -> tab accessibility, you could change the "key to grab..." to something else than alt to see if it's overlapping with that
[20:09] <knome> notice that for example this resize shortcut changes then
[20:09] <Azrael84> I see, so it's actually the resize thing messing with byobu keyboard shortcuts?
[20:10] <knome> no
[20:10] <knome> but it *might* be that something else is using - or just stopping that key combo from working
[20:10] <Azrael84> well I changed it to ctrl (the resize key, which is fine)
[20:10] <Azrael84> but alt-shit -up/down is still no working
[20:11] <Azrael84> not*
[20:11] <knome> ok, then it's not that... was just an idea
[20:11] <Azrael84> yeah, maybe it's on the right lines
[20:11] <Azrael84> could there be another native xubuntu key that messes up alt-shit-up/down?
[20:11] <knome> nope
[20:12] <Azrael84> ah
[20:12] <Azrael84> so it's just byobu and xfce don't play well ?
[20:13] <knome> i don't use byobu myself, but i also haven't heard people mention this much, so it could of course be something completely different that is stopping the shortcut from working
[20:28] <xubuntu69d> My clam av or clamtk won't update how do i fix?
[20:29] <knome> at least not by not waiting for an answer for more than a minute
[20:29] <knome> " :) "
[21:04] <Justanick> Hi, what is the right way to start xfce in a x2go session?
[21:21] <RoadRunner> Am using 14.04 LTS where many apps, defaults and settings have been changed. Will upgrading to 16.04 erase all of those changes?
[21:22] <RoadRunner> ... or will the upgrade just change the kernel and nothing else?
[21:23] <Rarrikins> RoadRunner: The upgrade will basically upgrade the kernel and programs to 16.04's version. It's supposed to not mess things up, but bugs happen.
[21:23] <knome> your home directory is kept intact and if you have modified system configuration files, you should be asked which version you want to keep.
[21:23] <Rarrikins> RoadRunner: Be particularly careful when it asks you whether you want to keep your old version of a configuration file or replace it with a new one.
[21:23] <knome> always take backups before upgrading.
[21:27] <RoadRunner> if 14.04 used app A and it was changed by me to app B, will upgrading to 16.04 revert me to a new version of app A or skip it just upgrading my chosen app B?
[21:27] <Rarrikins> RoadRunner: If you used apt install to install it, it should still stay installed, but upgraded to 16.04's version of it.
[21:28] <Rarrikins> RoadRunner: It might add some apps, but it tries to keep anything you manually install using apt install.
[21:30] <RoadRunner> ok so it tries to keep my new apps but will it try to intall the ones I removed as well...?
[21:30] <Rarrikins> RoadRunner: It's possible it will.
[21:31] <RoadRunner> and with configs of existing apps I guess I should just say 'no' to all new config changes...
[21:33] <RoadRunner> in a nut shell, what are the main advantages of 16 over 14 and is an upgrade really recomended?
[21:33] <knome> RoadRunner, 14.04 is EOL next april, so the upgrade is no just recommended, you will have to do it sooner or later - pretty soon anyway
[21:34] <RoadRunner> eol?
[21:34] <knome> end of life, not supported
[21:35] <RoadRunner> I thought lts's are suppose to be supported for 4 or 5 years?
[21:36] <knome> for xubuntu, they are 3 years, and it's specifically mentioned in the release announcement, which you clearly haven't read
[21:36] <RoadRunner> or read and forgot
[21:37] <Rarrikins> RoadRunner: Ubuntu is 5 years, a lot of the flavors like Xubuntu are only 3.
[21:39] <RoadRunner> but in any case, if 14 is supported till next april, why is it already giving a no upgrade to stack message?
[21:44] <RoadRunner> did I misunderstand something?
[21:44] <knome> no more point releases are being done
[21:45] <RoadRunner> but the apps are still automatically upgraded?
[21:45] <knome> those that get SRU's
[21:46] <RoadRunner> sru's?
[21:46] <knome> stable release upgrade
[21:46] <knome> eg. upgrades to old stable/LTS releases.
[21:47] <knome> or "stable release updates" really
[21:47] <RoadRunner> got it, thanks :)
[21:51] <RoadRunner> btw, on average, how frequent are point releases in Xubuntu?
[21:51] <Rarrikins> Every six months.
[21:54] <RoadRunner> so perhaps a prudent course of action would be to wait till Jan '17 for the next point release for the current bugs in 16 to be fixed?
[21:55] <Gaming4LifeDE> hi. so i don't have an internet connection on my machine (intel atom 230, 4gb ram)
[21:55] <Gaming4LifeDE> i can't connect through ethernet. any ideas?
[21:56] <xangua> RoadRunner: any specific bug?
[21:56] <RoadRunner> xangua: the ones mentioned in the release notes (like those pertaining to Thunar)
[21:59] <xangua> Probably until next major release or you can try, on your own risk, some PPA repository
[22:01] <knome> if only we knew what's wrong with thunar...
[22:01] <xubuntu127> Hello, suddenly my desktop screen is gone. I get the message: "the desktop application is unexpectedly closed". What now??
[22:01] <knome> Gaming4LifeDE, which xubuntuy version?
[22:01] <knome> xubuntu127, which xubuntu version?
[22:02] <xubuntu127> Xubuntu version 14.04
[22:03] <Gaming4LifeDE> 16.04.1
[22:03] <knome> xubuntu127, try running 'xfdesktop'
[22:03] <knome> Gaming4LifeDE, new installation or upgrade?
[22:03] <Gaming4LifeDE> new
[22:03] <Gaming4LifeDE> didn't work on the live medium either
[22:08] <xubuntu127> I did the command "gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache" and enter but got the message: "entrance denied"
[22:11] <Rarrikins> RoadRunner: They usually come out at the end of April (xx.04) or the end of October (xx.10).
[22:12] <xubuntu127> Also with the command "sudo" beforehand it didn't work
[22:12] <Rarrikins> RoadRunner: But if you use a non-LTS version, you have to upgrade before nine months have passed, since non-LTS versions aren't supported after they're nine months old.
[22:14] <knome> Rarrikins, that's not what "point releases" are
[22:21] <Rarrikins> knome: What are point releases?
[22:22] <knome> 14.04.1, 14.04.2, ...
[22:22] <Rarrikins> Ahh, I see.
[22:22] <Rarrikins> Thanks.
[22:22] <knome> np
[22:23] <RoadRunner> knome: then, you would agree with waiting till the next point release for an update to 16?
[22:23] <knome> it's no guarantee that the thunar bugs are fixed by then, but if you rather wait, then why not
[22:24] <knome> obviously an LTS->LTS upgrade can always bring some unexpected things, so do it when you have time to tweak and work potential issues
[22:24] <RoadRunner> especially since I don't feel like doing a ton of backups and then god knows how much cleaning and tunning...
[22:25] <RoadRunner> yep
[22:25] <knome> the amount of backup and cleaning is the same, regardless if you upgrade now or later though
[22:25] <RoadRunner> I guess on this, I'd rather procrastinate :)
[22:27] <RoadRunner> cheers and thanks again


[06:52] <rrrrutdk> How to request an Ubuntu cloak?
[06:52] <nalioth> rrrrutdk: got an LP id?
[06:54] <nalioth> rrrrutdk: a highlight is not a private message
[06:54] <rrrrutdk> Yes, I got one.
[06:55] <nalioth> can you share it with us?
[06:56] <rrrrutdk> I thought you were a bot
[06:56] <rrrrutdk> https://launchpad.net/~plausearthas
[06:58] <nalioth> ubottu: tell rrrrutdk about member
[06:58] <nalioth> rrrrutdk: ubottu is a bot
[06:58]  * nalioth is a person
[07:07] <rrrrutdk> The wiki page tells me how to become an Ubuntu member, but I didn't make any contributions yet.
[07:07] <rrrrutdk> On Ubuntu
[07:08] <jussi01> rrrrutdk: you need to be a member to get a cloak... as the cloak is @ubuntu/member/
[07:13] <jussi01> rrrrutdk: as nalioth said, a hilight is not a private message.
[07:14] <jussi01> rrrrutdk: so you need to go an contribute, so you have something to put on your wiki page :)
[07:15] <rrrrutdk> I know it is not a private message, but I'm not a native English speaker, I just don't want to share my typing mistakes with so many people.
[07:15] <jussi01> !pm | rrrrutdk
[07:16] <jussi01> rrrrutdk: not many people are native speakers here, so dont stress too much - you are doing fine :)
[07:17] <rrrrutdk> BOT 'ubottu' just sent me a message about my rude actions on sending private messages without asking. I'm sorry about that.
[07:20] <rrrrutdk> And thank you for your patients.
[08:29] <Foulard> Bonjour les tapettes :-)
[08:29] <Foulard> Et surtout bonjour à niko :-)
[09:31] <kran> 请问这是中文的吗？
[10:01] <Foulard> hoo des signes :-)
[10:01] <Foulard> normalement le chinois c'écrit
[10:01] <Foulard> c
[10:01] <Foulard> o
[10:01] <Foulard> m
[10:01] <Foulard> m
[10:01] <Foulard> e
[10:01] <Foulard> ç
[10:01] <Foulard> a
[10:01] <Foulard> mais sur irc, tu te ferais kicker pour flood.


[00:16] <thomi> is anyone able to help me diagnose why inotify seems to not work on a live CD boot, as described here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/1015348
[00:16] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1015348 in linux-meta "openssh-server package does not start sshd on a live CD boot" [Undecided,New]
[00:29] <thomi> Oh, I see it's already been reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/882147
[00:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 882147 in linux "overlayfs does not implement inotify interfaces correctly" [High,Triaged]
[05:21] <scientes> can i get on that backport track with kernel for precise NOW?
[05:21] <scientes> There are various reasons I want a 3.4-based kernel
[06:44] <tjaalton> scientes: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport
[06:44] <tjaalton> scientes: what reasons?
[07:32] <smb> janimo, You mail look into git for you answer: eb66750db88b59b28ac91c627dd0984b5508f5a6 (at least for maint-startnewrelease). And it was not me putting it there. ;)
[07:33] <smb>  s/mail/may/
[07:33] <smb> Morning, btw
[08:01] <ppisati> moin
[08:59] <smb> tjaalton, Hey, I just noted on your submissions to stable that they only went there (and yourself). Usually it is better to cc at least the maintainer(s) and the author (depending on Greg's mood (if it is for one of his stable trees) the sub-system mailing list too.
[09:00] <smb> Reason is that maintainers not always (if at all) look at stable but are normally required to ack or nak
[09:01] <tjaalton> smb: oh
[09:02] <tjaalton> it's not mentioned on Documentation/stable_kernel_rules.txt though
[09:03] <smb> tjaalton, I try to put everyone who signed-off and the author (if not equal to one s-o-b) on cc. Maybe not, but I could give you examples of me being told so. ;) And it just gives you a much better chance at being seen/noticed. :)
[09:05] <tjaalton> smb: heh, ok
[10:18] <apw> bjf, henrix, looks like this might be a regression-update: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1015480
[10:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1015480 in linux "webcam not found (no device found)" [Undecided,New]
[10:19] <henrix> apw: checking
[10:19] <apw> cking, hey you looked at bug #904261, did the fix for that make it into the main kernel ?
[10:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 904261 in linux "Lenovo U300s does not suspend" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904261
[10:20] <henrix> apw: yeah, it looks like. thanks
[10:20] <cking> apw, not yet, I'm waiting for a specific patch to land
[10:20] <apw> cking, so i think you supplied a custom kernel, and that has now been superceeded
[10:21] <dileks> hi
[10:21] <cking> apw, yep, that's true
[10:21] <apw> cking, if you have the patch around it might be nice to spin a replacement
[10:21] <dileks> is a wubi-installation a somehow elegant way to "bypass" secure-boot problem :-)?
[10:22] <cking> apw, I could do that, but I could be doing this until 3.6 at this rate
[10:22] <apw> cking, if this one fixes it then lets just SAUCE it in
[10:22] <cking> apw, and there is a user-space hackaround for it
[10:22] <cking> apw, the patch is really ugly and won't get upstreamed, it was just a sanity check to see why things were locking up
[10:23] <apw> the userspace work around is reported (by a normal) to have stopped working
[10:23] <apw> http://marc.info/?l=linux-pm&m=133573212512122&w=2 <-- this one ?
[10:23] <cking> yep
[10:24] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/904261/comments/32
[10:24] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 904261 in linux "Lenovo U300s does not suspend" [Medium,In progress]
[10:24] <cking> it's more complex that that though
[10:24] <apw> i cannot tell easily as the machine was installed by someone else, but i am suspicious he had your kernel
[10:24] <apw> and its gone now, and he is not using the work around, hmmm
[10:25] <cking> apw, fundamentally it is partly to do with a BIOS issue
[10:25] <apw> cking, so the kernel you did was jsut a bodge and not something we can put in master
[10:26] <cking> apw, it was a bodge and I'm waiting for the real fix to land - which is going to be somewhat different
[10:27] <cking> ..as this fix may cause other issues on other machines if I read it correctly
[10:28] <apw> cking, i wonder if we need a genric mechanism for these
[10:28] <apw> like ubuntu-bodge-lpNNNN
[10:28] <apw> which explicitly has to be turned on
[10:28] <apw> ie deliberatly not letting it be DMI enabled etc, to cover the space before an upstream fix lands
[10:29] <cking> makes sense - or I write in the bug report "THIS IS A TEST KERNEL AND IS NOT SUPPORTED!!"
[10:29] <apw> you can write that, and what happens is someone installs it for the VP of something, and then when it gets replace, i get involved via rick
[10:30] <apw> its a general problem though, that we have no way to put 'crap needed for broken machines' in the tree safely right no
[10:30] <apw> now
[10:44] <ppisati> cooloney: still around?
[11:28] <janimo> smb, ok. I noticed it because I have my @ubuntu.com address the default for gpg and debemail :). I am not sure why only Canonical people should run this script, it makes perfect sense even for local tweaks and rebuilds to keep the packaging cleaner
[11:30] <smb> janimo, I guess it is valid to ask whether it may be changed to be configurable there. Just as an answer to "do you know why" it is "yes, because" ;)
[11:34] <janimo> smb, :)
[11:34] <janimo> probably a config option would make sense
[11:35] <janimo> if we are to be nitpicky<EMAIL_ADDRESS>also matches currently :)
[11:35] <smb> janimo, Or probably an environment variable to override the requirement (to avoid having an additional config file)
[11:35] <janimo> ok, I thought there was a conffile already but if not envvar is better
[11:48] <smb> janimo, Ok, I did a quick stab at it. Now you can at least override the check (I admit the envvar name is long)
[11:49] <janimo> smb, nice thanks ! btw can you add me to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to the mainstscript.cfg list? The docs said I should add myself but could not push
[11:54] <smb> janimo, I could but I think this list is more intended as a default with a bit more limitation on the scope
[11:55] <janimo> smb, ok great than. I thought it was used by some scripts to match commit authors to irc names for some reason
[11:55] <janimo> maybe to ping  by bot or something
[11:57] <smb> janimo, Maybe you are even talking about a different config file... Which one was that exactly?
[11:57] <smb> There is a exmaple-kteam.rc which would go to ~/.kteam.rc but that is solely used to make maint-modify-patch wrork
[11:58] <janimo> smb, yes, that one
[11:59] <janimo> ah ok then. no worries :)
[11:59] <janimo> I had it copied to ~/.maintscripts.cfg based on what I read somewhere (wiki most likely)
[11:59] <smb> Ah, ok. That is really only to avoid typing email addresses for adding signed-off-by and acked and such. You can easily create your own fitting your needs
[12:26] <Defusal> the latest cpuset package says "ImportError: No module named cpuset.main" when running "cset", does anyone know how i can fix this?
[13:30] <cooloney> ppisati: yeah, i'm here, just felt a little bit head ache and took a reset
[13:33] <Defusal> does anyone know how to make a default group for all system-wide processes (starting with init) that are not part of another cgroup in cgconfig.conf?
[13:36] <ppisati> cooloney: no prob, i was actually looking for ming, so i wanted to know if you have seen him around on irc
[13:39] <cooloney> ppisati: np, he is in #hwe channel
[13:39] <ppisati> cooloney: ack
[13:40] <cooloney> ppisati: but don't know whether he is online
[13:40] <ppisati> cooloney: i'll ping him tomorrow then
[13:40] <ppisati> cooloney: we hit the same mmc card regression on oamp3
[13:40] <ppisati> cooloney: and i was wondering if he saw a panic during about voltage_scaling
[13:40] <ppisati> *during boot
[13:41] <cooloney> ppisati: oh, i saw you mentioned that yesterday. is that related to filesystem or just voltage thing
[13:42] <ppisati> cooloney: one is about mmc card (sever file system corruption) both of us hit it, we bisected and came down to the same problem
[13:42] <ppisati> cooloney: but in the mean time, they introduced another regression
[13:43] <ppisati> cooloney: and it _seems_ (i'm rebuilding openocd to jtag it) to be voltage scaling required
[13:43] <cooloney> ppisati: oh, what a mess. is that in mainline kernel? unforunately, i don't have omap3 board
[13:43] <ppisati> cooloney: actually that's something to do with ubuntu config (omap2plus_defconfig doesn't exhibit it)
[13:43] <ppisati> no prob
[13:43] <cooloney> ppisati: hmmm. got it.
[13:44] <ppisati> but i wanted to know if he saw the secont one too since we are working on mailine both for omap3
[14:08] <tlei> ppisati, ping
[14:08] <ppisati> tlei: hey
[14:10] <tlei> ppisati, I am ming, and bryan said you are looking for me
[14:10] <ppisati> tlei: yep, besides the mmc regression, didn't you hit a kernel hang during boot?
[14:10] <ppisati> tlei: last kernel message complains about voltage_scaling
[14:11] <tlei> ppisati, what is log?
[14:11] <ppisati> tlei: something like this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1049450/
[14:11] <ppisati> tlei: to rreproduce it, grab mainline (3.5rcx), use the ubuntu config file, compile and try to boot it
[14:12] <ppisati> tlei: usually around the second reboot, it hangs (something not de/initialized properly seems)
[14:12] <tlei> ppetraki, looks no such problem on beagle-xm revB with 3.5-rc2
[14:13] <ppisati> tlei: are you using ubuntu config file? doesn't show up with omap2plus_defconfig
[14:14] <tlei> ppisati, oh, I seldom tried 2nd reboot since there is a crash triggered by reboot, and I am a bit lazy to apply one patch to fix it
[14:14] <ppisati> tlei: i usually reset in that case :)
[14:15] <tlei> ppetraki, no, I seldom tried ubuntu kernel on beagle-xm, and it is very slow with my low speed mmc card
[14:15] <ppisati> tlei: ack, no prob
[14:16] <tlei> tlei, ok, I will try it, but I remembered one reboot crash problem not fixed, so can you reboot successfully without any out-of-tree patch?
[14:16] <tlei> tlei, just on beagle, and panda is not affected
[14:17] <tlei> ppisati,  ok, I will try it, but I remembered one reboot crash problem not fixed, so can you reboot successfully without any out-of-tree patch?
[14:17] <ppisati> tlei: nope, when it crashes at reboot i simply reset the aobrd
[14:17] <tlei> ppisati,  just on beagle, and panda is not affected
[14:17] <ppisati> tlei: beaglexm yes
[14:18] <tlei> ppisati, if so, I am sure I have not meet the kernel hang problem with the reset button
[14:18] <ppisati> tlei: you can easily grab Q/master-next, revert the autocmd12 commit and build
[14:18] <tlei> ppisati, maybe I need to try ubuntu config, instead of the omap plus config
[14:19] <ppisati> tlei: first boot ok, from the second one onward, solid hangs during boot
[14:19] <ppisati> tlei: 100% reproducible
[14:19] <tlei> ppisati, this line may be a clue:  voltdm_scale: No voltage scale API registered for vdd_mpu_iva
[14:23] <ppisati> tlei: yep, that's why i thought it's voltage scaling related
[14:27] <tlei> ppisati, looks I didn't enable voltdm_scale
[14:27] <ppisati> tlei: in your config?
[14:27] <tlei> ppisati, I will try to test it tomorrow
[14:27] <ppisati> tlei: no prob, it's night over there
[14:27] <tlei> ppisati, yes, I guess
[14:27] <ppisati> tlei: enjoy the... night? :)
[15:07]  * ogasawara back in 15
[16:35]  * ppisati -> gym
[16:56]  * cking gives up with RTC_IRQP_SET and calls it EOD
[17:05] <scientes> tjaalton, this bug mainly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/955665 However I am also trying to use the new DRM_UDL driver, but havn't had much success yet
[17:05] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 955665 in linux ""udlfb: device_create_bin_file failed -22" boot hang with displaylink graphics" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:05] <scientes> and i noticed that the mainline builds that are marked "quantal" don't work with precise (networking doesn't come up for example)
[17:09] <apw> ogasawara, i had forgotten about that rebase bug finder ... heh
[17:09] <ogasawara> apw: I love it
[17:16] <apw> ogasawara, it is most surrpising just how many there are
[17:17] <ogasawara> apw: it did seem we had more than usual
[17:28]  * apw wanders out to do some errands, have fun
[17:28] <scientes> any previews of the signed uefi secure-boot kernels?
[17:28] <scientes> and any writeup on what features they don't have?
[17:28] <scientes> i didn't think you guys had any way to sign modules
[18:42] <adam_g> other than changelog and the specific bug reports they resolve, where do ubuntu specific patches / sauce get tracked?
[19:09] <ogasawara> adam_g: If you want a current view, you'd want to look at the git tree.  All Ubuntu specific patches are prefixed with "UBUNTU:" and the sauce patches are prefixed with "UBUNTU: SAUCE:".  We also have a slightly dated view in our delta review spec.  eg.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/QKernelDeltaReview.
[19:24] <adam_g> ogasawara: thanks
[20:39] <scientes> somwhere i can track a 3.4 mainline?
[20:40] <infinity> ogasawara: Oh, your kernels should be getting published in quantal around nowish, BTW.  Sorry for the delay.  Headless chickening.
[20:40] <scientes> (for precise) the mainline builds seem like they are only against quantal
[20:40] <scientes> and i tried one and it broke my precise system
[20:41] <infinity> scientes: quantal kernels probably shouldn't break precise systems... Define "broke"?
[20:41] <scientes> infinity, no networking, no usb
[20:41] <scientes> graphics works fine
[20:42] <scientes> with the 3.4.3 quantal, the 3.4.0-precise works fine
[20:42] <infinity> Curious.
[20:42] <infinity> I really can't think of why that would be.
[20:42] <infinity> Except potentially 3.4.3 just hating you.
[20:42] <scientes> ant the lts 3.5 backport works with networking and usb
[20:42] <scientes> although it doesn't work with my touchscreen, but that is likely upstream thing
[20:45] <jwi> scientes: you installed the -extra package?
[20:45] <scientes> no
[20:45] <infinity> Or used the metapackage...
[20:45] <scientes> just the raw linux-image-fooo-amd.deb
[20:45] <infinity> Ahh.
[20:45] <infinity> That would be why.
[20:46] <infinity> A bunch of modules were broken out.  The metapackage handles that for you.
[20:46] <scientes> ahhhhhhhhhh
[20:46] <scientes> ahh i need the -extra i see
[20:47] <scientes> should have checked that
[20:48] <scientes> i couldn't find the ppa to do these automatically: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.4.3-quantal/
[21:23] <ogasawara> scientes: did you install both the quantal linux-image and linux-image-extra's packages?  You need both.
[21:23] <scientes> yes i did
[21:23] <scientes> (now)
[21:26] <ogasawara> infinity: thanks!  /me leaves for vacation


[00:02] <Riddell> Guest29483: only that libqtassistant has gone so you can't use apps which use that
[00:09] <Guest29483> Riddell, what are some commond examples of apps that use libqtassistant and are they show stoppers?
[00:23] <Shinka> I apparently played too much with alsamixer, and now Skype won't work (I can hear, but not speak). Is there a way to reset alsa-mixer ?
[00:23] <Shinka> I found the command sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 but it doesn't work on Kubuntu
[00:33] <HERPADERP> DERADERPDERP
[01:14] <k4ever> hi all. i was using gnome for some time.  now i'm back to kde. i like the antinspect xscreensaver. i have kscreensaver-xsavers installed, but it does not show all of the xscreensavers (to included antinspect).  is there a way to get kscreensaver to recognized this screensaver?
[01:28] <cmagina> k4ever: I might have an answer for you in just a second
[01:28] <k4ever> ok
[01:32] <cmagina> k4ever: The antinspect screensaver is part of the kscreensaver-xsavers-extra package, however even after installing it I am not able to see any of those new screensavers. I'm very familiar with the kscreensaver bits, but I will see what I can do.
[01:32] <cmagina> I'm not very...
[01:33] <cmagina> familiar that is
[01:33] <k4ever> ok, i appreciate your help
[01:34] <cmagina> brb
[01:50] <k4ever> also is there a way to show video thumbnails in dolphin?
[01:51] <cmagina> install kffmpegthumbnailer
[01:51] <cmagina> And then be sure to enable it in dolphins settings
[01:52] <cmagina> There must be a list stored somewhere containing all of the available screensavers, but I have been unable to find it thus far.
[01:53] <k4ever> thanks, installing now
[01:56] <k4ever> cmagina:  thanks! the plugin works great
[01:57] <cmagina> k4ever: Good to hear it.  You might want to submit a bug on the screensaver issue.  It seems the kscreensaver-xsavers-extra package pulls in the other screensavers but does not get KDE to see them.
[01:57] <wea0> Hi, I just upgraded from karmic to lucid. Now there is an animated effect in the panel's task manager, whenever applications change their places. How can I turn this animation off?
[01:57] <k4ever> ok, thanks for your help.  i'm going to sleep now.
[01:58] <cmagina> wea0: I am not sure. A quick look didn't show anything obvious. I wish I had time to help more but I must take off.
[02:13] <xaemonic> hi guys i realy want to host a fserv irc i used to have one in windows back in the day and would like to know if their is any good fserving irc cliants for kubuntu
[02:13] <xaemonic> u know where it pops up a msg and displays my links so ppl can acess my files
[02:23] <xaemonic> how do i install a fserv script into my xchat irc..
[02:54] <fundacion> hola a todos
[02:55] <wea0> Hi, I just upgraded from karmic to lucid. Now there is an animated effect in the panel's task manager, whenever applications change their places. How can I turn this animation off?
[04:05] <VeinJu> apt-get install nmap
[04:50] <ilya-x> can somebody help me troubleshoot why I'm frequently seeing the outline and shadow of what seems like the "Folder View" widget on top of my desktop wallpaper, when the widget is disabled and  there's no trace of this widget at all other than its shadow outline? this is visible 90% of the time, even after reboots
[04:51] <ilya-x> I'm on KDE 4.5.0, by the way
[04:54] <ilya-x> I just took a screenshot of it with wallpaper removed and background set to white:
[04:54] <ilya-x> http://i37.tinypic.com/28u7nus.png
[05:08] <igor_> hello world!
[05:13] <igor_> hhhaaa
[06:38] <orochimaru> hi
[07:37] <Roasted> does anybody know how I can move the min max close buttons tot he left?
[07:40] <buckfast> Hello
[07:40] <Roasted> hi
[07:41] <buckfast> Why do I have 142 blocked updates?
[07:42] <smooph> what are you trying to update and how?
[07:43] <buckfast> KpackageKit is showing under Software Updates that I have 142 blocked updates
[07:43] <buckfast> It seems like it's blocking the new KDE 4.5
[07:44] <buckfast> because most of them are kde applications
[07:49] <buckfast> so, noone hasn't got a clue as to why this is happening
[07:57] <buckfast> Should I do a
[07:57] <buckfast> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:18] <buckfast> ok, no answer I guess
[09:25] <DarkriftX> does anyone know why the kde update manager always seems to close itself and stop working? its done for this for the last 3-4 major versions for me (few years now) and i always have to resort to apt-get updating instead of it doing it auto.
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> DarkriftX: tried starting it from konsole to see what errors are produced?
[09:33] <DarkriftX> no but its always after a few days-weeks when it dies
[09:33] <DarkriftX> i was hoping maybe there was a known issue with a fix
[09:34] <well_laid_lawn> not something I've seen mentioned here before...
[09:49] <wesp> Just did a fresh install of Kubuntu, no flash audio, no skype audio (assuming no audio period) except for the log in/log out audio, those work
[09:50] <wesp> The initial install, skype audio & mic worked fine, after installing nvidia drivers and rebooting, is where the problem occured
[09:57] <rork> wesp: did you check kmix and set all the volumes up?
[09:58] <wesp> lol i can hear now
[09:58] <wesp> what about
[09:59] <wesp> mic, I cant get mic on the volume bar
[09:59] <wesp> lol and i feel pretty bad @ turn it up
[09:59] <rork> np at that, we've all been there :)
[10:00] <wesp> What about turning the mic up? well
[10:00] <wesp> unmuting it?
[10:00] <wesp> that option i cant make active in kmix
[10:00] <well_laid_lawn> F4 in alsamixer
[10:00] <well_laid_lawn> for capture cards
[10:01] <wesp> wheres alsamixer?
[10:01] <rork> or Settings > Configure Channels, then add the microphone channels to kmix
[10:03] <well_laid_lawn> !info alsamixer
[10:03] <well_laid_lawn> !find alsamixer
[10:03] <well_laid_lawn> or open konsole and type   alsamixer
[10:05] <rork> alsamixer is part of alsa-utils
[10:06] <well_laid_lawn> thnx :]
[10:25] <bigjools> hi.  Does anyone know how to stop kmail scrolling to the top of the message list every time I delete one of them?  I have my list sorted ascending so this is seriously annoying :(
[10:25] <bigjools> (this is 4.5 BTW)
[10:31] <sushilcha> does anyone have idea about ssh... that if a GUI application be run on remote computer over ssh ?
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> you can use vnc over ssh - it's in the man page and
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> !vnc
[10:34] <sushilcha> well_laid_lawn: btw, what i actually wanted to do was.. run ktorrent whenever i want on remote computer and shutdown my own computer
[10:34] <well_laid_lawn> why not use a cli torrent client like rtorrent?
[10:34] <well_laid_lawn> !info rtorrent
[10:34] <sushilcha> i know ktorrent can be controlled by web
[10:35] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:35] <sushilcha> well_laid_lawn: but to control it via web, at first it shud be running :)
[10:36] <sushilcha> rtorrent probably doesn't have all the features like ktorrent... however let me explore about it.. thanx for suggestion
[10:37] <rork> sushilcha: you can start gui applications from the commandline by just typing their name, you may have to have some X-server running though
[10:37] <rork> and many kde programs can/could be controlled from the commandline with dcop
[10:37] <sushilcha> rork: with simple ssh it wudnt run
[10:38] <sushilcha> rork: ktorrent requires Xserver.. and of course Xserver is running in remote computer
[10:39] <sushilcha> but if i do ssh -X .. then Xserver from mycomputer is gonna be used.. in that case.. if i shutdown my computer the application is gonna exit as well
[10:39] <well_laid_lawn> try x11vnc - it can use the root desktop
[10:40] <well_laid_lawn> I think rtorrent with a web gui would be what you're after
[10:40] <sushilcha> yes that is a solution for what i seek
[10:41] <sushilcha> but lets look beyond torrent...
[10:41] <sushilcha> just if we can launch any application requiring Xserver in remote computer itself :)
[10:43] <well_laid_lawn> try x11vnc - it can use the root desktop
[10:44] <sushilcha> well_laid_lawn: ok.. but what if i shutdown my computer? will the program continue to run.. anyway i'll try to explore that myself too :)
[10:45] <well_laid_lawn> since it uses the root desktop it doesn't matter what any other comps do when you reconnect it will show the same root desktop
[11:18] <funcrush> hi all. I wanna convert from ogg to mp3. anybody know a program working well?
[11:45] <technogeek> KUBUNTU rocks
[11:46] <technogeek> i just reacently uninstalled all windows in my home and all 10 pcs are running linux
[11:46] <technogeek> helo room
[11:46] <rork> hi
[11:47] <technogeek> i guss no one wants to talk
[11:47] <technogeek> hi rork
[11:47] <howlymowly> hi everyone.. did anyone get akonadi to work correctly with a google account?
[11:47] <howlymowly> --> i can successfully import my contacts, but many have errors and didn#t import phone numbers, emails etc...
[11:48] <rork> I guess most are not watching these minutes and it's officially a tech support channel, for other topics there's #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[11:49] <howlymowly> technogeek: for your next step i recommend trying to get akonadi to work correctly on all 10 pc's in your home ^^ that way you'd have full synchronization over all of them :)
[11:52] <slow-motion> hi
[12:08] <F15h3r> hey, anyone knows how to auto mute laptop speakers on kubuntu 10.04 when headphones connected? i have Asus K52F ..
[12:14] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[12:18] <otto__> i get error:       Unknown CMake command "kde4_add_plugin".    when i try to cmake the konqueror adblock plugin
[12:18] <Roasted> hi there. why does amarok lock sound? If amarok is open and I open youtube, I get no sound. Very irritating.
[12:21] <phoenix__> otto__: what is the command that you used
[12:22] <otto__> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/base/konq-plugins/adblock
[12:22] <otto__> cd adblock
[12:22] <otto__> cmake CMakeLists.txt
[12:24] <phoenix__> otto__: can you paste the cmakelist.txt here
[12:25] <no> Get prompt Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS tty1 then terminal . . . any idea how to fix?
[12:26] <no> tried forums, no entries for kubuntu; tried restarting x, no go.
[12:26] <otto__> ########### next target ###############
[12:26] <otto__> set(adblock_PART_SRCS adblock.cpp  adblockdialog.cpp )
[12:26] <otto__> kde4_add_plugin(adblock ${adblock_PART_SRCS})
[12:26] <otto__> target_link_libraries(adblock  ${KDE4_KPARTS_LIBS} ${KDE4_KHTML_LIBS} ${KDE4_KUTILS_LIBS})
[12:26] <otto__> install(TARGETS adblock  DESTINATION ${PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR} )
[12:26] <FloodBotK3> otto__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:26] <otto__> ########### install files ###############
[12:28] <otto__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/479880/
[12:29] <phoenix__> otto__: tell me the cmake version, use this command "cmake --version"
[12:30] <otto__> phoenix: 2.8.0
[12:31] <no> installing cmake now . . .
[12:32] <no> cmake would not install . . .
[12:32] <phoenix__> otto__: did you prepare the cmakelist.txt
[12:33] <otto__> phoenix: no
[12:33] <otto__> how do i do that?
[12:33] <phoenix__> otto__: did you prepare the cmakelist.txt
[12:33] <no> no. don't know how.
[12:34] <phoenix__> otto__: i think the cmakelist.txt is wrong, did you paste the entire cmakelist?
[12:34] <otto__> yes
[12:35] <otto__> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/base/konq-plugins/adblock/CMakeLists.txt?view=markup
[12:36] <phoenix__> otto__: i will prepare a new cmakelist.txt for can you wait
[12:37] <otto__> i want to make the one that's already provided work correctly
[12:40] <phoenix__> otto__: the cmakelist.txt is incomplete. where did you download the file
[12:40] <otto__> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/base/konq-plugins/adblock/CMakeLists.txt?view=markup
[12:42] <nikosl> hello, i have installed ubuntu 10.04, but kept my old /home directory. now it seems plasma panels are all over the place due to some previous installation (i have used gnome for the past year or so). i tried deleting ~/.kde but it doesn't make it right
[12:43] <nikosl> any ideas how to completely restore kde default settings ?
[12:46] <phoenix__> otto__: are you trying to compile the plugin seperatly?
[12:52] <otto__> yes
[13:12] <ghostcube> need help for calling kmenu classic directly by an dbus call
[13:12] <ghostcube> is there any possibility to do this?
[13:16] <Peace-> ghostcube: i think yes
[13:16] <Peace-> you have to install something to chec qdbus command line
[13:16] <Peace-> mmm
[13:16] <ghostcube> oh cool, maybe you know hoe too?
[13:16] <Peace-> just a few moment
[13:16] <ghostcube> yeah but i cant find kmenu like in earlier ways in dbus
[13:16] <Peace-> i have done qdbus call for kdialog
[13:17] <ghostcube> oh cool
[13:17] <Peace-> just wait
[13:17] <ghostcube> no prob
[13:17] <ghostcube> iam here :D
[13:17] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install qt4-dev-tools
[13:17] <Peace-> qdbusviewer
[13:18] <Peace-> there is how to close kde with qdbus
[13:18] <Peace-> look at my blog http://nowardev.wordpress.com/?s=qdbus
[13:22] <ghostcube> Peace-: ok, but i dont know how to kall kmenu cause i dont find it
[13:22] <ghostcube> hmmm must check this
[13:23] <Peace-> well you have to look :D
[13:23] <ghostcube> i looked and its not anymore in kickoff so maybe any idea wheere to check?
[13:23] <Peace-> mm
[13:23] <Peace-> i ma installing qdbusviewer
[13:24] <Peace-> i have no idea right now
[13:24] <Peace-> i have to see
[13:24] <ghostcube> hmm i will check later at home
[13:24] <ghostcube> :)
[13:24] <Peace-> have oyu the line
[13:24] <Peace-> for kde 3?
[13:24] <ghostcube> yes
[13:24] <ghostcube> moment
[13:24] <Peace-> give me
[13:25] <ghostcube> dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu X,Y
[13:26] <Peace-> ghostcube: i have found this
[13:26] <Peace-> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=749905
[13:26] <ghostcube> is this lancelot?
[13:26] <Peace-> i think no the classic menu
[13:27] <ghostcube> yeah i read this too it shows an lancelot starter at the first post
[13:27] <Peace-> ah damn
[13:27] <ghostcube> :)
[13:34] <Peace-> noway ghostcube i can't find a soluton in few time
[13:35] <ghostcube> yeah, no problem :) i will try later too
[13:37] <Peace-> ghostcube: asked on #kde?
[13:37] <Peace-> ghostcube: asked on #kde ?
[13:37] <ghostcube> hmm i asked on kubuntu-devel and now i try plasma but kde is good idea too :)
[13:51] <samuel_> Hi
[13:52] <natman> hi samuel_
[13:52] <samuel_> My KDE was just updated to 4.5.0 and I don't have Oxygen Style. does anyone know how to solve this ?
[13:52] <samuel_> hi natman
[13:52] <samuel_> :)
[13:52] <natman> you using kubunt samuel_
[13:52] <samuel_> no I'm using Kubuntu :)
[13:52] <samuel_> 10.4
[13:53] <natman> my mistake ment kubuntu sorry
[13:53] <samuel_> then yeah natman :)
[13:54] <natman> try system settings->appearence->color->get new schemes
[13:55] <samuel_> natman: but this will add my a color scheme ... ?
[13:56] <samuel_> yap ... :(
[13:56] <natman> samuel_:  do you have the oxygen scheme?
[13:56] <wea0> When tasks change their places in the task manager there is an animation of the tasks sliding over each other. Please tell me how to turn this effect off. (lucid KDE 4.5.0)
[13:57] <samuel_> yeah I have
[13:57] <samuel_> but I don't have the Oxygen Style :( natman
[13:58] <natman> samuel_: mmm seems weird, not sure what command to use, but could sudo apt-get install oxygen or KpackageKit help get back oxygen?
[14:00] <samuel_> E: Couldn't find package KpackageKit
[14:00] <samuel_> E: Couldn't find package oxygen
[14:00] <samuel_> :(
[14:00] <natman> you dont have kpackagekit
[14:00] <natman> ?
[14:01] <Pici> package names are case-sensitive and all lowercase.
[14:02] <samuel_> oaky I have the kpackagekit
[14:02] <natman> phew
[14:03] <natman> try this command in terminal
[14:03] <samuel_> but I can't find the oxygen package
[14:03] <natman> amm ok
[14:03] <natman> when i go to termainl ( eg " konsole" ) and search i get the following
[14:03] <natman> natman@natman-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install oxygen
[14:03] <natman> oxygencursors               oxygen-cursor-theme         oxygen-cursor-theme-extra   oxygen-icon-theme           oxygen-icon-theme-complete
[14:04] <natman> the names under are all the availble packages
[14:04] <natman> if i was you i would just get them all and see what happens, it cant hurt- i think
[14:04] <samuel_> okay let's try :)
[14:05] <samuel_> E: Package oxygencursors has no installation candidate
[14:05] <samuel_> :(
[14:05] <samuel_> thank natman
[14:05] <natman> samuel_: my mistake
[14:05] <wea0> samuel_: Do you have the package kubuntu-desktop installed?
[14:06] <natman> try this
[14:06] <natman> sudo apt-get install oxygen-cursor-theme oxygen-cursor-theme-extra oxygen-icon-theme oxygen-icon-theme-complete
[14:06] <samuel_> wea0:  how do i check ?
[14:07] <natman> samuel_:  if you have Kubuntu you have the desktop im sure unless you have done a lot of messing around
[14:07] <wea0> samuel_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:07] <wea0> If you upgraded to kde4.5 it might have been removed
[14:08] <samuel_> :| it seams that  I have missing packges on the kubbuntu-desktop ....
[14:09] <natman> samuel_: ok seems like the wea0 was correct
[14:09] <samuel_> thanks wea0 and natman, let;s check if it will fix the problem
[14:09] <natman> good luck samuel_
[14:10] <samuel_> okay, it didn't ... :(
[14:10] <samuel_> Grrr....
[14:11] <samuel_> I will try to restart my X
[14:14] <samuel_> didn't help
[14:15] <wea0> Oh well, ... solved most of the problems I had after the update ;)
[14:15] <natman> samuel_: afraid this problem is above me then:(
[14:15] <samuel_> how can I find other styles on Software Manager ?
[14:20] <wea0> samuel_: What you could try is "sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdebase-runtime"
[14:21] <samuel_> wea0:  lets try :)
[14:22] <samuel_> for now my KDE look like hell
[14:26] <wea0> Umh, ... before or after you ran that command?
[14:29] <alvin> Try $ sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude install
[14:30] <samuel_> wea0: befor, the reinstall for kdebase didn't help, but I found this package on the apt-get
[14:30] <samuel_> kdeartwork
[14:31] <samuel_> I'm trying to install it, and I will see if it helped :)
[14:34] <wea0> That will probably give you more styles like phase, but not oxygen.
[14:39] <samuel_> wea0: didn't give any styles :(
[14:40] <samuel_> but know I see that I have updates that are kept back
[14:40] <samuel_> how do I force install them ?
[14:40] <wea0> urgh
[14:40] <wea0> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:41] <samuel_> :S
[14:41] <samuel_> but I allready use the latest Kubuntu 10.4
[14:41] <samuel_> ...
[14:41] <samuel_> that is so odd !
[14:44] <wea0> No it's not. dist-upgrade doesn't mean you are updated to a new distribution.
[14:44] <wea0> "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade,also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new ver-sions of packages"
[14:47] <wea0> I gotta go afk now. But if you want this to work you need to make sure that you have the latest versions of kubuntu-desktop, kdebase-runtime and kdebase-runtime-data installed.
[14:48] <Xearo> Question, How do I enable my ATI drivers in Kubuntu. I do not see the Enable Restricted Drivers in the System Panel
[14:48] <alvin> samuel_: if 'aptitude install' lists things as [not installed], it's generally a good idea to remove them. (e.g. $ sudo aptitude purge freespacenotifier)
[14:49] <samuel_> wea0: it worked :)
[14:49] <samuel_> alvin: thanks, I will keep it in mind :)
[14:50] <vsr> kde-in
[14:50] <vsr> #kde-in
[15:16] <jimmy51_> on boot my wife's kubuntu box complained about a volume in fstab could not be mounted and dropped me to a maintenance shell.  how can i figure out which device it is complaining about?  there are 3 drives connected to her system.
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:39] <alvin> jimmy51_: See if you can find the volume in /var/log/boot.log (there might be a LOT of false errors in there too)
[15:39] <tdnicho> good morning all, have a question about dvd blu-ray support in ubuntu/kubuntu...anyone care to comment?
[15:40] <jimmy51_> alvin: i've found it's the drive that is her /home.  i'm running fsck /dev/sdb5 right now.
[15:41] <alvin> jimmy51_: You shouldn't be dropped in a maintenance shell for that. fsck should run automatically.
[15:51] <jimmy51_> alvin: fsck /dev/sdb5 is asking my to hit (y) about every 2 minutes.  Error reading block 12384839whatever.  ignore? (y)  rewrite (y).  should i cancel and rerun with some switch to automatically do it?
[15:57] <tdnicho> good morning all, have a question about dvd blu-ray support in ubuntu/kubuntu...anyone care to comment?
[15:57] <Pici> About which?
[16:00] <alvin> jimmy51_: Probably. Start your system (maybe in recovery mode), let /home not be mounted and fsck
[16:21] <tdnicho> anyone had success with ubuntu and dvd blu-ray support/playback?
[16:36] <jdalt_> so I've got this usb bluetooth dongle i want to use with a wiimote but its from like 2004 and apparently requires a kernel recompilation to get the drivers to work
[16:36] <jdalt_> according to this forum post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1087010c
[16:37] <jdalt_> is it worth it or should i just get a new dongle?
[16:39] <administrator_> hello
[17:22] <wea0> samuel_: Nice to hear that it solved your problem.
[17:23] <wea0> I'm still stuck with my own problem however. Anybody got an idea on that:
[17:23] <wea0> When tasks change their places in the task manager there is an animation of the tasks sliding over each other. Please tell me how to turn this effect off. (lucid KDE 4.5.0)
[17:26] <bjorn> sheesh.  kmail->settings->configure-kmail->identities->modify->ok (no changes), spews "kmail(3740)/libakonadi Akonadi::SessionPrivate::socketError: Socket error occurred: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Connection refused"" and is unusable
[17:27] <bjorn> i've used kmail for years, but i don't think i can take it much longer
[17:28] <giuseppe_> hello
[17:28] <giuseppe_> i have a problem when i install ubuntu 9.10 from usb pendrive
[17:28] <giuseppe_> i have this error:
[17:28] <giuseppe_> BusyBox v1.13.3 (Ubuntu 1:1.13.3-1ubuntu7) built-in shell (ash)
[17:28] <giuseppe_> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands
[17:29] <giuseppe_> (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[17:29] <giuseppe_> which is problem???
[17:29] <giuseppe_> i have a car pc
[17:33] <giuseppe_> help me please
[17:45] <Peace-> hi channel
[17:48] <mweijts> wea0: System settings > workspace > Informational tips set it to High value or set it to do not show
[17:54] <jrolland-kubuntu> My x11vnc keeps spawning processes out of control, until I run into the max number of clients for the X Server
[17:54] <jrolland-kubuntu> I'm following the instructions on http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid#X11VNC_Server
[17:54] <jrolland-kubuntu> I think it's the -loopbg that's the problem
[17:54] <jrolland-kubuntu> It worked fine in karmic
[17:54] <jrolland-kubuntu> Can someone help?
[17:56] <ilembitov> Hi, all. I have a freshly installed Kubuntu 10.04 with all the latest updates. I have all types of updates enabled and I have the backports PPA added. Still, I can't update to KDE 4.5 - some 130 packages seem to get blocked. What do I do wrong?
[17:56] <wea0> do a dist-upgrade
[18:08] <jrolland-kubuntu> OK, I figured it out: I need the -loop option, not -loopbg
[18:19] <haakonn_> hi! i installed the netbook version, but i decided i'd rather have the regular kde interface. is there a way to get it without reinstalling?
[18:20] <haakonn_> i installed the kubuntu-desktop package, removed kubuntu-netbook or whatever, but now when i log in i see the splash and then just the background image and nothing more
[18:22] <alvin> ilembitov: See bug 615902
[18:25] <bng007> hi all, where would you point me if I wanted to learn some .sh scripting?
[18:29] <shadowhywind_> hay all, I just a replacement hdd in the mail, I am going to use dd to copy everything from my old hdd to the new one. Will dd also copy the mbr/grub ? also what should be the dd command I should issue?
[18:34] <ilembitov> alvin: thx
[18:36] <bng007> shadowhywind_: i think it is something like this: dd if="your_image" of="/dev/disk_to_write_to"
[18:37] <bng007> which means "input file" and "output file"
[18:38] <bng007> first of all look here: dd --help
[18:38] <shadowhywind_> k
[18:44] <wizardslovak> hello people
[18:45] <rork> hi
[18:45] <wizardslovak> got kubuntu dual booted with xp
[18:45] <wizardslovak> is there gui to modify grub2?
[18:46] <mistrynitesh> bng007: i think all standard installations come with bash reference guide. mine is located at /usr/share/doc/bash/bashref.pdf
[18:47] <rork> wizardslovak: startupmanager should do that job
[18:47] <haakonn_> answer to my own question: remove kubuntu-netbook-default-settings
[18:48] <mistrynitesh> bng007: there is also some documentation at tldp.org
[18:48] <kilian_> hi, i try to start update-notifier-kde, but it says dbus-bindings are missing. python-qt4-dbus is up to date, though
[18:48] <kilian_> any ideas how to fix this?
[18:49] <bng007> mistrynitesh: is Bash the right thing to use when I want to do simple file operations etc.?
[18:49] <wizardslovak> whats the package name?
[18:51] <rork> wizardslovak: startupmanager
[18:52] <rork> but it might be only possible to do lay-out changes
[18:52] <wizardslovak> oh sorry misstyped it
[18:52] <mistrynitesh> bng007: why not? i mean i don't know of any problems. bash is just another shell
[18:53] <bng007> mistrynitesh: cool, just making sure
[18:53] <bng007> mistrynitesh: i will check out that link, thx
[18:53] <mistrynitesh> bng007: always welcome
[18:55] <slow-motion> hi
[19:02] <Roasted> When is Kubuntu getting pulse audio or the software center?
[19:02] <maco> 10.10 has pulse
[19:02] <maco> the software center is gtk though so it wont be included unless someone makes a qt lookalike
[19:02] <maco> i find it more likely that kpackagekit just gets fixed up
[19:03] <Roasted> itd be nice to have that. kpackagekit... sucks.
[19:04] <bng007> I like how software center list your ppa and other sources on the left
[19:05] <Roasted> yeah
[19:05] <Roasted> I dig kde, but MAN there are some things that just 'make sense' in gnome too.
[19:05] <Roasted> well, maybe not so much gnome, but ubuntu.
[19:05] <Roasted> kde is fun to tinker around with though.
[19:06] <bng007> i agree, the software center in ubuntu is just two clicks away for example
[19:07] <bng007> i used ubuntu for a test-drive for few months recently, I just envy Canonical is investing in gnome instead of kde :)
[19:09] <bng007> i'm back in kde, the window compositing is much better for example
[19:11] <bng007> one can feel and see there is some designer guidance behind the ubuntu. I just wish KDE was more consistent as well
[19:20] <Peace-> bng007: bah
[19:24] <ohzie> Hey, can I get workspaces on the top and bottom 'caps' of the cube when I use compiz? I'm using kubuntu on mostly vanilla Lucid Lynx install.
[19:25] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[19:25] <well_laid_lawn> ohzie: there's #compiz where someone would surely know that :]
[19:27] <ohzie> well_laid_lawn, Just to verify, KDE's compositing is compiz right?
[19:28] <well_laid_lawn> ohzie: I'm not sure - I've never bothered with it here
[19:28] <well_laid_lawn> I think it is just kwin...
[19:29] <Roasted> bng007, part of the reason Im using kde for a while is because gnome is the one seeming to be inconsistent for me. Not that it's bad, but sometimes it just acts weird, which is strange since gnome was always the more stable one for me in the past.
[19:33] <Scunizi> Is upgrading to 4.5 recommended or not recommended on a production machine?
[19:34] <bng007> Scunizi: no way
[19:34] <bng007> Scunizi: eg. my dolphin crashes too often
[19:34] <bng007> Scunizi: but maybe I'm just hard on it
[19:35] <Scunizi> bng007: that's what I was thinking but glad to have the conformation.. with 10.04 being an LTS (I think on Kubuntu) will it be available as backports or a straight upgrade when it settles down?
[19:35] <bng007> Scunizi: not sure how this works
[19:36] <52AAB20YH> Scunzi: it is available on backports now
[19:36] <Scunizi> bng007: PPA currently I think.. reviews are good .. but.. like you say buggy is not what I want
[19:36] <Scunizi> 52AAB20YH: thanks.. if you're running 4.5 how's your experience?
[19:37] <52AAB20YH> Scunzi: it runs fine on my test bed
[19:37] <Scunizi> 52AAB20YH: was it a 10.04 install with the upgrade on top?
[19:37] <52AAB20YH> Scunzi: had it up several weeks now
[19:37] <52AAB20YH> Scunzi: yes
[19:38] <Scunizi> 52AAB20YH: thanks
[19:38] <52AAB20YH> Scunzi: one crash, but am pretty sure that was an x screen saver
[19:38] <bng007> Scunizi: I have dolphin crashing and the a small window with X icon that I cannot close else it crashes my plasma. no other problems
[19:39] <52AAB20YH> Scunzi: transitition was smooth
[19:39] <52AAB20YH> Scunzi: only one update problem that was easily sorted out with aptitude
[19:39] <Scunizi> what was that?
[19:39] <Surunveri> hi
[19:40] <Surunveri> when using dolphin and changing the view settings
[19:40] <Surunveri> how can i save the setting so i dont have to change the again every time
[19:40] <Surunveri> ?
[19:40] <bng007> Scunizi: the new notification plasmoid is not really polished, but it works - still not very user friendly
[19:41] <52AAB20YH> Scunzi: a missing package dependency that synaptic choked on, but aptitude fixed perfectly
[19:42] <bng007> Surunveri: the last entry under the "view" button
[19:42] <Surunveri> yeah
[19:42] <Surunveri> but how can i save the changes?
[19:46] <bng007> Surunveri: change the settings and then tick the box by the last entry: "use these view properties as default" does it not work?
[19:54] <Surunveri> it didnt
[19:54] <Surunveri> at first
[19:54] <Surunveri> but then i tried starting dolphin from terminal with sudo
[19:54] <Surunveri> and so far it has worked
[19:54] <Surunveri> i mean with root priviledges.. whatever the correct phrasing is:D
[19:55] <ironbeard> Hey guys. I'm trying to create a user on my kubuntu machine with a custom resolution, for vnc. My vnc client is my android phone, so I'd like to have a specific user on my server with a comparable resolution for ease of use on my phone. Any ideas?
[20:12] <terran4000> Hey. Is there a way to change an icon of a single link/shortcut?
[20:12] <v3nd3tta``> you mean a desktop shortcut?
[20:13] <terran4000> yup
[20:13] <v3nd3tta``> right click and then properties
[20:13] <v3nd3tta``> or mark it and then alt+enter :P
[20:14] <v3nd3tta``> and then there click on the symbol left
[20:14] <v3nd3tta``> you can use your own files
[20:14] <terran4000> That would work, but this isn't a .desktop file
[20:14] <v3nd3tta``> what then?
[20:15] <terran4000> Dunno ... I clicked that dragged a executable to the desktop folder widget, selected make shortcut here.
[20:15] <v3nd3tta``> does it have the executable symbol?
[20:15] <terran4000> er
[20:15] <terran4000> "Link here"
[20:15] <terran4000> yes it does.
[20:16] <v3nd3tta``> then there left should be a box where you should select your icon
[20:16] <terran4000> There doesn't happen to be a "make a actual shortcut" button is there which will make a handy dandy .desktop file?
[20:16] <v3nd3tta``> uhm
[20:17] <terran4000> The icon is there but it's not selectable/clickable.
[20:17] <v3nd3tta``> right click -> new -> link to <executable>
[20:17] <v3nd3tta``> or what do you mean?
[20:18] <v3nd3tta``> that would produce a .desktop file
[20:18] <terran4000> ok, I'll try the click->new->link to ... method.
[20:19] <v3nd3tta``> i think it's the best one :)
[20:19] <v3nd3tta``> yeah, i dradded "my" test executable to the desktop... you cannot modify it...
[20:20] <terran4000> yeah ...
[20:20] <terran4000> that really blows
[20:20] <v3nd3tta``> right click is your friend :)
[20:20] <Surunveri> hmm it still didnt work
[20:20] <terran4000> you're method works though. Thanks
[20:20] <Surunveri>  as soon as i restarted dolphin the setting went back to default
[20:20] <Surunveri> =|
[20:20] <terran4000> thanks v3nd3tta``
[20:20] <Surunveri> or rather, when i restarted dolphin without root priviledges
[20:20] <v3nd3tta``> no problem terran4000
[20:20] <v3nd3tta``> :)
[20:21] <v3nd3tta``> what did it say? can you start it with console and log the output to anyone who does know more? (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com)
[20:32] <teddiebaer> hello all
[20:34] <troopperi> My kubuntu freeze when i log out, its giving only " - " to screen...might it be login manager?
[21:24] <ThomasB2k> Hi, is there any way to remove mnemonics from menubars in KDE?
[21:24] <ThomasB2k> I want to get ride of the little underlines on the letters in the menubars.
[21:33] <djustice> ThomasB2k: there is indeed a way. but i have no memory of it. ;)
[21:34] <ThomasB2k> :(
[21:42] <otto__> can i debug konqueror plugins with kdevelop?
[21:48] <PeterDrop> hello all, cairo dock its load like 7 intances, i have to close each dock manually, how i can control, how many docs bar load on start?
[22:02] <zerocool> .
[22:10] <HERPADERP> DERPADERPDERP
[22:11] <tuxifier> bless you
[22:17] <zus> hello guyses
[22:18] <zus> any one having issues with KDE4.5 like bouncing desktops when using the scroll wheel to switch?
[22:18] <melissawm> hi! i have a fresh install of kubuntu 10.04 on a desktop, wired network is not working. i've removed network-manager and not even manual config via /etc/network/interfaces work. i'm on dhcp and i'm typing this from a laptop that works perfectly with the same cable.
[22:19] <HERPADERP> what model is your laptop
[22:20] <zus> melissawm,  i just now had to delete the belkin router i get a wifi signal from the list in edit connections and reconnect and click connect automatically for me to get it to work- where as when i switch to my gnome session i have no problems
[22:22] <melissawm> for me it's a wired connection, not wireless, and desktop, not laptop
[22:23] <zus> yeah i dont have a laptop, but i got a wireles usb i found and i tried it and it works, dunno who's signal but thank you whoever it is :)
[22:24] <zus> melissawm,  try with the live disc if you can get on line with the live disc. i didnt get the network manager for kubuntu the first time i tried it
[22:25] <zus> i was going to switch back to kubuntu but im trying this KDE4.5 and im having a couple  problems still.  (i might though by end of the day)
[22:32] <HERPADERP> Just out of curiosty, Does anyone have a laptop with linux running for gaming?
[22:33] <poseidon2010> Well I like Kubuntu...... the interface is damn  faster than Gnome
[22:34] <HERPADERP> Whenever i use ubuntu, its a bit faster than kubuntu. Probably due to less eye candy
[22:34] <tuxifier> poseidon2010: faster? I can't sign that - but kde is much more flexible
[22:35] <tuxifier> and prettier :P
[22:35] <tuxifier> and has no congo bong sound :P
[22:35] <tuxifier> anyone using qlandkarte gt on kde 4.5?
[22:35] <poseidon2010> well... I have several VM here..... and with Gnome (Ubunutu) they were not roperly running..CPU was dying.... Memory was always loaded....
[22:36] <poseidon2010> But with KDE..... the CPU is fairly used and the memory as well
[22:36] <poseidon2010> KDE(Kubuntu)
[22:37] <tuxifier> poseidon2010: which virtualization tool do you use?
[22:37] <poseidon2010> VirtualBox
[22:38] <poseidon2010> and now I am playing with Eucalyptus...... havent finished yet though with that
[22:38] <poseidon2010> also another problem I found.... and I think is not related to GNOME or KDE... is the  flahs-plugin
[22:38] <poseidon2010> its crappy... and it kind of kills ur cpu....
[22:38] <tuxifier> poseidon2010: 64bit?
[22:39] <poseidon2010> yes 64 bit
[22:39] <tuxifier> yeah this is caused by the npviewer 64 to 32 bit flash wrapper
[22:39] <tuxifier> cause there is no native flash for 64 bit yet
[22:40] <tuxifier> thanks to adobe
[22:40] <poseidon2010> sadly to say.... I have a VM with Windows.... to see Youtube Videos.... otherwise my machine will just dye.... Have in mind I have other VM running
[22:41] <poseidon2010> yeahhhh I read something about that... not a native  64bit flash plugin
[22:42] <Xearo> Question, how to I upgrade to KDE 4.5?
[22:43] <Xearo> Nevermind gonna read that post in the topic first :P
[22:51] <zus> Xearo,  can you please linme the post?
[22:51] <zus> Xearo,  link me ^
[22:52] <Xearo> http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[22:52] <zus> thanks
[22:52] <Xearo> np
[22:52] <Xearo> I got the respositories added if I figure out how to install it from here ill let you know lol
[22:58] <zus> Xearo,  im using KXStudios thats how i got to KDE4.5  "sudo apt-get update" then i did  "sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade" im going to see what th  link says on how though
[22:59] <Xearo> Yeah I just googled it and put alot of stuff togeather and just added what the link said then done the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade looks like it is doing everything right.
[22:59] <Xearo> Guess we will see
[23:08] <zus> Xearo,  im using KXStudios so it removed alot of things and i had to reinstall however it was written it would so i wasnt  surprised so far
[23:09] <Xearo> zus: Cool,brb going to restart and see if this worked.
[23:09] <zus> Xearo,  the switching desktops with the scroll wheel isnt working, it bounces between the two dsktp, till i hit the switcher  in the  panel
[23:12] <Xearo> Yay nothing broke... that I know of at least lol
[23:13] <zus> please try switching desktops with the scroll wheel?, lol im ready to put this in the river as its a habit now
[23:14] <zus> i cant  get k3b to erase a dvd rw, how else can i remove an .image from a dvd rw?
[23:14] <happytig3r> Howdy...
[23:15] <zus> hi happytig3r
[23:15] <Xearo> Switching with the scroll wheel works for me
[23:15] <Xearo> Hi happytig3r
[23:16] <happytig3r> If you nice Kubuntu gets helpless. And you want to chose the second line in grub (recovery mode) but it aint displayes due to default timeout = 0.... What key to press to be able to select recovery mode?
[23:17] <happytig3r> Hi zia + xearo :-)
[23:18] <happytig3r> Like when now my nvidia drivers is giving problem and I want to edit Xorg.conf but it keep booting to faulty "normal mode"
[23:21] <zus> Xearo,  thanks i think im going to reinstall then..
[23:54] <joseph_> hi


[09:01] <TheMuso> apinheiro: Ah, just the person I'm looking for. I'm running your 3D PPA, and have noticed a bug with the quicklists. When you open a quicklist for the first time, the items can be read. However if you close it and open it again, nothing is spoken. have you seen this?
[09:01] <TheMuso> This seems to persist accross uses of the launcher, i.e I can hide the launcher, do something for a while, go back to the launcher, open the same quicklist, and it still won't read.
[09:15] <apinheiro> TheMuso, hmm, I noticed that but I solved, so that seems a regression
[09:16] <apinheiro> it would be good if those branches get integrated
[09:16] <apinheiro> so you could open a bug for that
[09:16] <apinheiro> I will ping njpatel and lamalex, as I asked for review two weeks ago
[09:16] <apinheiro> TheMuso, btw, thanks
[09:17] <TheMuso> Np.
[09:18] <TheMuso> Do you mean file a bug for the quicklist issue?
[09:19] <apinheiro> TheMuso, yes, but as those branches are not integrated on the master yet, are just part of a ppa
[09:19] <apinheiro> probably doesn't make sense to open a bug for that
[09:19] <TheMuso> Right, thats why I wasn't sure.
[09:20] <apinheiro> TheMuso, for the moment I will write that on a personal TODO list
[09:20] <TheMuso> Ok.
[09:32] <TheMuso> apinheiro: Not sure if you will catch them this week, they are having a design sprint, and I don't know how much they will be checking IRC. I will likely see them next week, so I can poke them in person if necessary.
[09:38] <apinheiro> TheMuso, ok
[09:56] <Pendulum> apinheiro: also feel free to use me to poke people next week :)
[09:57] <Pendulum> TheMuso: thanks for adding the eZoom to the polishing precise bit. I was just getting online to ask about that
[10:01] <apinheiro> Pendulum, well, if you see Neil or Alex Launi, you could poke them to review my a11y branches ;)
[10:02] <Pendulum> :)
[10:02]  * Pendulum is going to see if she can have a sit-down conversation with neil at some point so should be easy enough to do :)
[10:44] <TheMuso> Pendulum: I'm actually going to link a few of the key bugs to that blueprint, when I feel more mentaly fresh tomorrow.
[10:44] <Pendulum> :D


[00:07] <bdmurray> it looks like there are only ~60 New 2.6.22 bugs now
[00:07] <secretlondon> :)
[00:08] <secretlondon> I saw all the green on the hug day page - I wondered if there were any left!
[00:08] <bdmurray> I don't think we put them all on.
[00:08] <bdmurray> right ogasawara?
[00:09] <secretlondon> yeah - only 75
[00:09] <ogasawara> bdmurray: right
[00:09] <secretlondon> so all .22 have gone, I'm working on .20
[00:09] <bdmurray> right, I was thinking we might be able to finish off the .22 New bugs though
[00:09] <ogasawara> secretlondon:  great :)  there are more .22 ones, may 30-40 more?
[00:10] <secretlondon> would you prefer me to look at the .22s?
[00:10] <bdmurray> I just thought it would be exciting to have .22 at 0
[00:11] <secretlondon> agreed
[00:11] <secretlondon> i'll have a look
[00:11] <ogasawara> secretlondon: either .20 or .22 is fine.  I just think the .22 ones might be more useful since they are closer to Hardy
[00:11] <secretlondon> :)
[00:12] <bdmurray> hmm, yeah it's a 44 and the graph is behind
[00:14] <bdmurray> -1
[00:16] <bdmurray> -1 more even
[00:21] <bdmurray> ogasawara: how do I find the xen config?
[00:23] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I'm guessing linux/debian/binary-custom.d/xen
[00:26] <bdmurray> ogasawara: you winner
[00:26] <ogasawara> :)
[00:30] <bdmurray> secretlondon: oops, I was looking at 148900
[00:30] <secretlondon> sorry
[00:30] <bdmurray> secretlondon: it's okay, it is actually fixed
[00:30] <secretlondon> oh cool
[00:30] <secretlondon> I've been going through with the "please test on hardy" boilerplate
[00:31] <bdmurray> That one actually had enough info to research
[00:32] <secretlondon> ok
[00:39] <secretlondon> bdmurray: so ones that could have enough info to research I should leave rather than asking them to check?
[00:40] <bdmurray> secretlondon: Do you have an example?
[00:41] <secretlondon> bdmurray bug #152741
[00:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152741 in linux-source-2.6.22 "network performance and cpu usage in gutsy vs feisty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152741
[00:44] <bdmurray> secretlondon: that one has enough for ogasawara or me to look at it I think
[00:44] <bdmurray> Thanks for bringing it up
[00:44] <secretlondon> ok
[00:47] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I've actually been asking to test against hardy since I'd rather 1 - get a response to make sure I'm not gonna waste my time, and 2 - I'd rather investigate against current hardy kernel which is under development
[00:47] <bdmurray> that bug seemed important enough to me that I thought it would be worth researching
[00:48] <bdmurray> the lkml thread has a patch too
[00:48] <ogasawara> bdmurray: holly cow I didn't even see the link to lkml
[00:48] <ogasawara> I think it blended in with the "Offer to mentor someone. . ." link
[00:49] <bdmurray> That almost seems SRU worthy to me for Gutsy
[00:49] <secretlondon> I had a quick look but didn't get as far as the patch
[00:50] <bdmurray> secretlondon: I cheated and only read certain posts from people's names that I have heard of before
[00:50] <secretlondon> ah! I'd not heard of any of them ;)
[00:52] <bdmurray> ogasawara: so it looks fixed in Hardy and not in gutsy
[00:52] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I didn't look at the patch, is it intrusive?
[00:54] <bdmurray> ogasawara: 6 lines, 5 of which are comments but it's in random.c
[00:55] <bdmurray> but it's well tested I'd say
[00:55] <ogasawara> bdmurray: that's sounds harmless enough.  care to post a comment it's fixed in hardy and just inline the patch or add the git commit id.  I'll add it to the buglist.
[00:55] <ogasawara> bdmurray: gotta run though (literally)
[00:55] <bdmurray> ogasawara: see ya!  should I save the graphs later or will you?
[00:56] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I'll save em later tonight.  thanks!
[00:59] <Jimerson> Hello all.
[00:59] <bdmurray> hello Jimerson
[00:59] <secretlondon> hi
[01:00] <secretlondon> Jimerson: you came yesterday and wanted to get involved with bug triage?
[01:01] <Jimerson> secretlondon, thats correct, I know I am a little late.
[01:01] <secretlondon> Jimerson: bdmurray is your man :)
[01:02] <bdmurray> It's not late here.
[01:02] <Jimerson> I see :)
[01:02] <Jimerson> How are you sir?
[01:04] <bdmurray> I'm doing pretty well.
[01:04] <Jimerson> as secretlondon said, I am looking to try and help with bugs.
[01:04] <Jimerson> And I am trying to find someone to give me a kick in the right direction.
[01:05] <bdmurray> One the problems I have with getting people started is that there are so places you could go.  Do you have a particular area of interest or type of role you'd like to fulfil?
[01:06] <Jimerson> I eventually would like to build packages, I don't know if I have the skills for that, but I was told to start here before doing anything else.
[01:07] <bdmurray> Is there a particular piece of software in Ubuntu that you like to use or are familiar with?
[01:08] <Jimerson> Nothing in particular, I'm willing to work with anything and go where I am needed.
[01:12] <bdmurray> Jimerson: okay, I'm trying to find us something to look at
[01:13] <Jimerson> bdmurray, great.
[01:14] <bdmurray> If we look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/yesterday/ we'll see bug reports that came in "yesterday"
[01:14] <Jimerson> ok
[01:16] <bdmurray> lets just take bug 199306 as an example
[01:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199306 in ubuntu "Trac "500 - Internal Server Error" for Help/Guide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199306
[01:16] <Jimerson> Ok, I am looking at it.
[01:18] <bdmurray> well, its actually a kind of crazy bug.  does it make much sense to you?
[01:19] <Jimerson> Not really, he took a config file from a bsd machine. getting some weird errors.
[01:20] <Jimerson> Is this even supported as it is not a clean install?
[01:20] <bdmurray> I think it should be fine but can't say for certain.
[01:20] <Jimerson> ok
[01:21] <bdmurray> It sounds like getting his configs might be useful tough.
[01:21] <bdmurray> Additionally, this bug isn't filed about a package bug all of Ubuntu rather
[01:21] <Jimerson> for lighthttpd and trac?
[01:21] <Jimerson> I saw that.
[01:22] <bdmurray> Assigning it to a package will help a lot as then other people like the package maintainer will be subscribed to the bug report.
[01:22] <Jimerson> I don't see trac or lighthttpd in the packages.
[01:22] <bdmurray> And yes in regards to which config files to ask for.
[01:22] <Jimerson> When I did a search.
[01:25] <bdmurray> a search?
[01:25] <Jimerson> Perhaps I am getting ahead of myself.
[01:25] <Jimerson> I thought you said it needed to be assigned to a package.
[01:26] <bdmurray> yes, that's correct
[01:26] <Jimerson> What should it be assigned to?
[01:26] <bdmurray> we can do that as a separate step.  what do you think it should be assigned to?
[01:26] <Jimerson> Trac I would assume.
[01:27] <Jimerson> Error looks like something wrong with trac, not the server, unless I read it incorrectly.
[01:27] <bdmurray> That sounds right to me and the trac maintainer / bug triager would know if it belonged somewhere else
[01:29] <Jimerson> So I'm going to take a guess here, assign it to package trac, post requesting config files and is that it?
[01:29] <bdmurray> That'd be the, for lack of a better word, minimum
[01:29] <Jimerson> ok
[01:30] <Jimerson> Could you elaborate then please :)
[01:31] <bdmurray> We could check that the have the latest version of trac installed.
[01:32] <bdmurray> We could also look at the list of files included in trac.
[01:32] <Jimerson> He is running the latest version of trac.
[01:34] <bdmurray> yep, just out of curiousity how did you check?
[01:34] <Jimerson> Went to the site to downloads, and checked for latest version :)
[01:35] <bdmurray> there is this neat script called rmadion where you can do things like 'rmadison -u ubuntu trac'
[01:36] <bdmurray> and if you go to packages.ubuntu.com you can see the list of files in the trac package
[01:36] <bdmurray> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/all/trac/filelist
[01:37] <bdmurray> I'd personally use packages.ubuntu.com rather than install it - in this case
[01:37]  * secretlondon had no idea rmadison existed
[01:39] <bdmurray> secretlondon: I feel there are lots tools like rmadison that aren't well advertised
[01:39] <secretlondon> I'm sure
[01:40] <bdmurray> secretlondon: Do you think mailing the bugsquad mailing list about that would be helpful?
[01:40] <secretlondon> yes, but I think the wiki more so
[01:41] <bdmurray> which page? I'm personally fond of BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[01:42] <secretlondon> I use debuggingprocedures all the time
[01:43] <bdmurray> okay, I'll think about how to fit in there
[01:45] <bdmurray> Jimerson: still there?
[01:46] <Jimerson> sure am.
[01:47] <bdmurray> Does what I've said make sense so far?
[01:47] <Jimerson> so far yes.
[01:50] <bdmurray> I'm not so sure about the error any more and the usefulness of the file list.
[01:51] <bdmurray> So assigning the bug to the trac package and asking for config files would help.
[01:51] <Jimerson> I can't make sense of it.
[01:51] <Jimerson> The only thing I could find online about the error, he tried the fix for.
[01:52] <bdmurray> we could look for duplicates too
[01:52] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/trac/+bugs
[01:52] <bdmurray> those are all the trac bugs in Ubuntu
[01:52] <bdmurray> I didn't see anything promising there
[01:53] <Jimerson> Does not appear to be anything.
[01:54] <bdmurray> The package is auto-synced with debian so we could look there too
[01:54] <bdmurray> but there isn't anything there either as far as I could tell
[01:54] <Jimerson> How do you know that?
[01:54] <Jimerson> That it is synced.
[01:54] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/trac/
[01:55] <bdmurray> You can get there by clicking on Overview from the bug listing
[01:55] <bdmurray> the name at the end of the changelog is Ubuntu Archive Auto-Sync
[01:56] <Jimerson> Got ya.
[01:57] <secretlondon> it's also on the package uploader isn't it, on the main bug page
[01:57] <secretlondon> if the package uploader is autosync, we haven't touched it
[01:57] <secretlondon> and no xubuntuy ending
[01:58] <bdmurray> secretlondon: that's right on a specific bug's web page it will show you too
[01:58] <bdmurray> and the ~ubuntu package name is a good point too
[02:00] <bdmurray> I still really suspect something goofy with their copied over configs
[02:00] <Jimerson> They took track and the lighthttpd config from freebsd.
[02:00] <bdmurray> Jimerson: so most bug triaging is investigation into issues
[02:01] <Jimerson> So is there anything else we can do without their config's?
[02:02] <Jimerson> Seeing as no ones else seems to be having this issue.
[02:03] <bdmurray> Maybe look into how python is setup on FreeBSD?
[02:03] <bdmurray> That seems like a stretch to me though.
[02:03] <secretlondon> I'm a total deadend on the ancient Bug #24776 - similar bugs submitted all over the place, non fixed
[02:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 24776 in linux-source-2.6.22 "ipw2100 error Fatal interrupt. Scheduling firmware restart." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24776
[02:05] <secretlondon> bugs that appeared in breezy and are still open in gutsy's kernel..
[02:07] <bdmurray> Jimerson: so assigning the package, asking for configs, setting the status to Incomplete and subscribing to the bug will help a lot
[02:07] <secretlondon> hi bddebian
[02:07] <Jimerson> I should do that?
[02:08] <bdmurray> yeah, that'd be great
[02:08] <secretlondon> you'll find at least 50% never reply
[02:08] <Jimerson> Should I assign the bug to someone or leave it unassigned?
[02:08] <bdmurray> Assignment is generally used when someone is working on a fix and the bug's status is In Progress
[02:09] <bddebian> Hi secretlondon
[02:10] <Jimerson> Woohoo!
[02:11] <bdmurray> Jimerson: Great!
[02:11] <Jimerson> Look good to you?
[02:11] <bdmurray> Well, my dinner is ready I'll be back in a bit.
[02:12] <Jimerson> Enjoy.
[02:12] <Jimerson> I'll be back in a bit as well.
[02:12] <bdmurray> Jimerson: Yeah, I usually thank people for helping to make Ubuntu better or something along those lines.
[02:12] <Jimerson> Ahh. I'll remember that next time.
[02:13] <bdmurray> Jimerson: we have some standard replies that we use at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[02:13] <Jimerson> Thank you so much for your help.
[02:14] <bdmurray> Jimerson: Thank you!  I'm here almost all the time so stop by if you have any questions.
[02:14] <Jimerson> I'll be bugging you in a bit after I have some dinner.
[03:22] <bdmurray> secretlondon: I've done a bit of research into the ipw2100 issue
[03:23] <secretlondon> bdmurray: thanks. it looks like that error is a standard barf
[03:23] <bdmurray> it seems documented in the last tarball upstream made
[03:23] <bdmurray> in January of 2007
[03:23] <secretlondon> ah jan 07 :(
[03:24] <secretlondon> so it's a known bug - and on the driver?
[03:24] <bdmurray> afaict so far my firefox just locked up though
[03:27] <secretlondon> I've confirmed #50431 as I can see that the acpi chip isn't supported, and googling for the ID doesn't show anyone supporting in linux (and it's ancient)
[03:27] <bdmurray> secretlondon: this is the right upstream bug
[03:28] <bdmurray> http://bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=329
[03:28] <ubotu> bughost.org bug 329 in __UNSPECIFIED__ "Fatal interrupt error appear when the least congested channel is selected on AP." [Major,Assigned]
[03:28] <secretlondon> thanks
[03:28] <bdmurray> and it just seems stuck
[03:28] <bdmurray> I'd guess intel isn't working on it anymore
[03:29] <secretlondon> is it old hardware?
[03:29] <bdmurray> I also imagine we have some duplicates of it.
[03:29] <secretlondon> yeah I'm sure. probably filed on all sorts
[03:30] <bdmurray> The web page for the project was last updated 1/31/2007 and some newer hardware by intel is the 2200 2915 and 3945
[03:31] <secretlondon> it's kinda out of our hands really, the firmware is closed souurce too which won't help
[03:33] <secretlondon> some of these bugs are *ancient*, pre dapper even
[03:40] <bdmurray> so its still a valid bug for 2.6.24 and won't fix for earlier versions
[03:41] <secretlondon> ok
[03:41] <bdmurray> and we can point people at the upstream bug but I don't anything would happen
[03:45] <secretlondon> bug #86859 you closed at fixed, someone reopened as occurring in feisty and opened on gutsy's kernel instead. they do seem to have the right sort of chip to be affected by it
[03:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86859 in pitivi "Pitivi doesn't start / program doesn't open" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86859
[03:46] <secretlondon> bug #68659
[03:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68659 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Certain VIA-based chipsets erroneously enable DXS support" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68659
[04:12] <crimsun> hmm
[04:12] <crimsun> 68659 sounds like my wording
[04:13] <crimsun> heh, yep.
[04:13] <crimsun> and I don't think that patch was pushed upstream..?
[04:13] <secretlondon> I don't know
[04:14] <crimsun> (I'm looking now)
[04:14] <secretlondon> thanks
[04:15] <crimsun> nope, it wasn't
[04:15] <crimsun> so the issue remains relevant to feisty, gusty, and hardy
[04:15] <crimsun> and if only hardy will be addressed, ...
[04:18] <secretlondon> rest won't fix I guess
[04:18] <secretlondon> tis is presuming that upstream hasn't fixed independently of us
[04:23] <crimsun> it hasn't
[04:23] <crimsun> I just checked upstream's VCS
[04:23] <secretlondon> okay thanks
[04:25] <secretlondon> bah I can hear bird song
[04:43] <techno_freak> kewl, i can hear only crows singing
[04:43] <techno_freak> or rather, communicating
[04:43] <secretlondon> 4.40am here
[04:44] <techno_freak> 10.14am here
[04:51] <secretlondon> night all
[06:36] <techno_freak> is there anything in the wiki on debugging gnomebaker or the CD/DVD drive? what logs should i ask from the orig reporter?
[08:27] <harrisony> Can i get someone to renew my subscription in ubuntu-bugcontrol
[09:17] <harrisony> oh yeah forgot the url https://edge.launchpad.net/~harrisony
[11:53] <Iulian> Heya
[11:58] <techno_freak> heya
[14:49] <bddebian> Boo
[14:49] <ogra_cmpc> bee
[14:50] <bddebian> ;-)
[15:16] <jdstrand> bdmurray: fyi-- I created a patch for bug #192575 (it's in the report)
[15:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192575 in python-launchpad-bugs "HTTPConnection: Firefox 3 stores cookies in sqlite database" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192575
[16:23] <bdmurray> jdstrand: I noticed
[16:24]  * jdstrand nods
[16:24] <bdmurray> I'm excited to check it out
[16:26] <hggdh> ahhhh bugs-announce lives...
[16:32] <bdmurray> harrisony: You are all set.
[18:59] <intellectronica> bdmurray: ping
[19:02] <bdmurray> intellectronica: hello
[19:03] <intellectronica> bdmurray: hi, just wanted to let you know that shortly those missing launchpad notifications will start making their way into your mailing list, so you may experience a bit of traffic here
[19:03] <bdmurray> intellectronica: we moved the bot to another channel, but thanks for letting us know.
[19:04] <intellectronica> bdmurray: cool. which channel, b.t.w?
[19:04] <bdmurray> intellectronica: ubuntu-bugs-announce
[19:05] <Laibsch> Hi, is there a dedicated mozilla/firefox team?
[19:05] <bdmurray> Laibsch: yes, there is see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam for more information
[19:08] <Laibsch> I believe bug 144560 describes expected behaviour.
[19:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144560 in mozilla-firefox "doesn't prompt for certificate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144560
[19:08] <Laibsch> bdmurray: Thanks for pointing that out
[21:23] <sdh> bugs!
[21:23] <sdh> bugs, everywhere
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> Yep can anyone give me any advice in what I need to put in a bug report regarding the keys on a Sun usb keyboard not working right (its meta I am bothered about but having undo , cut , paste , copy working might be nice)
[21:25] <h3sp4wn> In emacs meta is mapped to s- and alt is mapped to meta still
[21:26] <h3sp4wn> (Dunno exactly what people need - I guess I can test under ubuntu sparc as well but afaik there are no drivers for my video card in xorg at all (so not much use to me)
[21:28] <secretlondon> h3sp4wn my sun foo isn't great (I have an ultra 1 but thats it) but I'm surprised your video doesn't give any output in xorg
[21:29]  * secretlondon flicks bugs at sdh
[21:29] <h3sp4wn> secretlondon: Its an XVR-1000
[21:29] <h3sp4wn> Only XSun has drivers
[21:29] <secretlondon> please bug report the lack of video support
[21:30] <secretlondon> and I'll look at it
[21:30] <secretlondon> I'll just look to see what we need for keyboards
[21:31] <h3sp4wn> I can get a console but just not X
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> http://www.sun.com/desktop/products/graphics/xvr1000/ (cost me £200 second hand)
[21:32] <secretlondon> ok. please still bug report it so we know its an issue
[21:33] <h3sp4wn> Ok - I don't think it would be easy even with the specs to make a decent driver
[21:33] <h3sp4wn> (considering probably how few people use them)
[21:33] <secretlondon> sure, but its still useful
[21:34] <secretlondon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKeyboardDetection
[21:35] <secretlondon> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging for the x issue
[21:42] <h3sp4wn> dunno what I can do about the sparc X issue easily I would have to reformat the disks again
[21:42] <h3sp4wn> to get the information
[21:42] <h3sp4wn> unless there is a sparc-desktop cd somewhere
[21:44] <secretlondon> I don't think so - I think spacr is just a server cd
[21:44] <sdh> what does it mean when it says "Binary package hint" in launchpad ?
[21:44] <h3sp4wn> secretlondon: sort of implies no one cares anyway (they expect you to just use serial console)
[21:44] <secretlondon> h3sp4wn if you stuck solaris on it I undestand. Could you still give us a bug so we know?
[21:45] <h3sp4wn> secretlondon: Its running Solaris on it now - I can give you a bug but it won't have those logs
[21:45] <secretlondon> well I use X on my suns..
[21:45] <h3sp4wn> XSun ? or Xorg ?
[21:45] <secretlondon> please give us the bug and I'll go looking
[21:46] <h3sp4wn> k
[21:46] <secretlondon> actually logs from XSun would also be cool
[21:51] <h3sp4wn> ok, just had an idea - I will try a nexenta live cd (If they fixed it in their Xorg perhaps the patches can be got)
[21:52] <secretlondon> cool - actually comparing one that works with one that doesn't would be useful
[21:52] <h3sp4wn> thanks I will sort that stuff out tonight or tommorow morning
[21:56] <bdmurray> sdh: I believe it means someone picked a source package that is part of a larger binary package.  What bug were you looking at?
[21:56] <sdh> bdmurray: i see it around a lot, let me find an example
[21:56] <sdh> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/59297 <- random example
[21:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59297 in kdebase "kwin crashes when eclipse is started. sometimes." [Undecided,New]
[21:59] <bdmurray> sdh: kdebase provides a lot of packages
[21:59] <yuriy> bdmurray: i think you mean vice-versa
[22:00] <sdh> bdmurray: does the submitted put that "binary hint" stuff there or is it automagic?
[22:00] <yuriy> someone picked a binary package that is part of a larger source package
[22:01] <bdmurray> yuriy: right, my bad
[22:01] <bdmurray> sdh: the launchpad bug tracker adds it to the description
[22:02] <sdh> bdmurray: cool, thanks for the info!
[22:04] <bdmurray> sdh: no problem
[22:18] <blueyed> Should bugs in the network stack get assigned to "linux" first? (instead of "apport")
[22:21] <blueyed> secretlondon: you've been locking the 5-a-day-data branch quite often for me lately.. ;)
[22:21] <blueyed> cheers.
[22:21] <secretlondon> blueyed: locking?
[22:21]  * secretlondon has no idea how the backend works
[22:22] <blueyed> secretlondon: what tool do you use? "add-5-a-day" on cli?
[22:22] <secretlondon> the applet
[22:22] <blueyed> ah, but it does basically the same AFAIK.
[22:22] <blueyed> commit the change right away.
[22:22] <blueyed> that only means that you are committing quite some.. :)
[22:23] <secretlondon> when I've finished with a bug I make a new tab and drag the bugs tab over the applet
[22:23]  * blueyed suggests adding some mode which does commit only once a day (cron job?)
[22:23] <secretlondon> or saving them up and doing a few at once
[22:23] <secretlondon> say every hour
[22:23] <blueyed> I often collect bug numbers in a shell, then execute the command.
[22:24] <blueyed> yes
[22:24] <secretlondon> I know I forget to submit some
[22:24] <secretlondon> how long does it lock after each submit?
[22:24] <blueyed> during commit..
[22:25] <blueyed> ..or if a prompt for the ssh passphrase is waiting: as long as you notice it, even days probably.. :/
[22:25] <secretlondon> well that's only a few seconds I hope
[22:28] <blueyed> sure.
[22:29] <blueyed> Wasn't apport putting backtraces in the bug report for python tracebacks before? At least it should..
[22:44] <bdmurray> blueyed: do you have an example of a network stack bug?
[22:49] <sdh> blueyed: ah, there you are - thanks for the help with acpi-support earlier ;-)
[22:52] <RAOF> Hm.  Is the amd64 apport retracer known-broken?  It's stripped the needs-amd64-retrace tag from bug #199392 (twice!) but hasn't added any retrace.
[22:52] <ubotu> Bug 199392 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199392 is private
[22:53] <blueyed> bdmurray: bug 196439
[22:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196439 in linux "while uploading the reports apport lags the rest of the internet" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196439
[22:54] <blueyed> sdh: bug 161745 ?
[22:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161745 in acpi-support "Why isn't thinkpad-brightness-down.sh used for Lenovo thinkpads?" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161745
[22:55]  * blueyed tends to have to do quite a lot with acpi-support lately, after cherrypicking all the patches.. but no sponsor yet.. and in the meantime I fear it may miss Hardy even..
[22:55] <sdh> blueyed: yeah
[22:55] <sdh> what does the sponsor bit mean?
[22:55] <secretlondon> 'apport lags the rest of the internet' - what worldwide ;)
[22:56] <sdh> blueyed: if it doesn't make hardy, that will be very sad - i feel hardy could be really good on laptops if it's polished up a bit
[22:57] <blueyed> sdh: bug 193842 has a set of cherrypicked patches for acpi-support, but not for your bug yet..
[22:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193842 in acpi-support "Please sponsor cherrypicked fixes for acpi-support into Hardy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193842
[22:59] <sdh> blueyed: similar issues with pm-utils imho
[23:00] <sdh> blueyed: who can sponsor then?
[23:00] <bdmurray> blueyed: the kernel seems best but that report looks like a mess to me
[23:01] <blueyed> bdmurray: yes, unfortunately.. there should be similar reports though (=> gets duped hopefully)
[23:02] <blueyed> sdh: ubuntu-main-sponsors (a team of core-devs) can sponsor them.. but there are probably still issues..
[23:02] <blueyed> sdh: "incomplete" does not mean "not confirmed", but rather "need more info"..
[23:04] <bdmurray> blueyed: what do you mean?  the original reporter didn't put their release or hardware information.  Savvas might be running Hardy but it isn't clear.
[23:05] <sdh> blueyed: you mean incomplete on 161745? i confirmed because i had the same and can provide info
[23:05] <blueyed> sdh: yes, then please answer there :)
[23:05] <blueyed> bdmurray: are you talking about 161745, too?
[23:06] <bdmurray> blueyed: no bug 196439 that you brought up
[23:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196439 in linux "while uploading the reports apport lags the rest of the internet" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196439
[23:09] <blueyed> bdmurray: "In gutsy I didn't have this sort of problems, ..."
[23:10] <blueyed> I've changed the title to "hardy: uploading causes network lag"
[23:11] <sdh> blueyed: good questions on that bug, i've tried that already and will post
[23:12] <bdmurray> blueyed: okay, thanks.  I think kernel team would probably want their standard information
[23:17] <bdmurray> blueyed: by the way what needs to happen with bug 179492 now?
[23:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179492 in exuberant-ctags "exuberant-ctags: python variables starting with "def" are shown as functions" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179492


[16:18] <AdamH> Hello, I have a question about running an lx container of ubuntu xenial with the armhf cpu. I can get it running but it doesn't get an IP address where as amd64 containers do get an ip. Is this a known issue?


[00:43] <mt-dev> I'm creating my own derivative of Ubuntu GNOME and would like to change the "System Information" image used in the details section of Settings. Where is that image stored? It used to be in /usr/share/gnome-control-center/ui/, but is no longer. Where has it disappeared to?
[00:57] <jbicha> mt-dev: it's not user-replacable any more, see gnome-control-center debian/patches/56_use_ubuntu_info_branding.patch
[00:59] <jbicha> I mean, maybe if a user recompiled the gresource…
[01:02] <mt-dev> Ah, dummy me. I patched it back when they made the change, but forgot . Thanks so much jbicha!
[01:02] <jbicha> I think we'd like for that logo to be overridable (the Budgie Remix would like to use their logo for it instead)
[01:03] <mt-dev> Yeah, we did it by repackaging gnome-control-center
[01:03] <mt-dev> In our ppa
[01:03] <jbicha> it would be nice if it would look up the icon name in gsettings like gdm does
[01:04] <mt-dev> Yes, that would be very nice! Then again, I wish the GDM login screen could be customized more
[01:04] <jbicha> and considering that Fedora has patched gnome-control-center for years to include a distro logo, it would be nice if upstream would just let distros add their logo
[01:05] <mt-dev> Wonder why they have yet to do that?
[01:06] <mt-dev> Maybe we should bring it to the Gnome IRC channel?
[01:07] <jbicha> well you just have to convince the control-center maintainers
[01:07] <jbicha> and a good working patch would help
[01:08] <mt-dev> How do you figure out who the maintainer of an upstream Gnome application is?
[01:10] <jbicha> look in the git repo for a .doap file
[01:10] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/
[01:13] <mt-dev> Okay, thanks!
[01:13] <jbicha> it may need input from design too
[10:15] <jbicha> darkxst: if you want to make that initial-setup change or anything else for yakkety, Final Freeze is Thursday
[10:16] <jbicha> we haven't updated the packagesets in a while so I believe you'll need sponsorship for initial-setup
[13:37] <mgedmin> this is weird: http://imgur.com/a/mZbYg (see %s instead of my hostname)
[13:38] <mgedmin> if I launch gnome-control-center with LANGUAGE=en, it shows 'ssh platonas' correctly
[13:38] <mgedmin> the VNC and webdav panels show the hostname correctly
[13:38] <mgedmin> the upstream translation for gnome-control-center 3.20 looks correct to me: https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-control-center/blob/gnome-3-20/po/lt.po#L5227-L5235
[13:39] <mgedmin> the strings inside /usr/share/locale/lt/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-control-center-2.0.mo also look correct
[13:39] <mgedmin> I'm on 16.04 with the gnome3-staging ppa
[13:39] <mgedmin> gnome-control-center-data is 1:3.20.1-2ubuntu2~xenial1
[13:39] <mgedmin> gnome-control-center also same version
[13:45] <mgedmin> oh cool there's a ~xenial2 uploaded 40 minutes ago ;)
[13:50] <jbicha> mgedmin: that upload didn't affect translations
[13:51] <mgedmin> someone on irc.gnome.org noticed a bug in the upstream .po file
[13:51] <mgedmin> I just filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772409
[13:51] <mgedmin> although I don't know if that sort of bug would explain the symptoms I'm seeing
[13:51] <mgedmin> shame that .mo files aren't plain text and I cannot edit them in vi ...
[13:52] <jbicha> mgedmin: you ever use Launchpad Translations?
[13:52] <jbicha> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center
[13:52] <mgedmin> yes
[13:53] <mgedmin> still, upstream first, eh?
[13:53] <mgedmin> ... I'm actually not sure what's the right thing to do and how the workflows work
[13:54] <jbicha> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+source/gnome-control-center/+pots/gnome-control-center-2.0/lt/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=secure+shell
[13:54] <jbicha> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/gnome-control-center/+pots/gnome-control-center-2.0/lt/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=secure+shell
[13:55]  * mgedmin fixes both of those
[13:55] <jbicha> maybe contact the Lithuanian Translators LP group to find out if there's anything more your contribution needs before it's accepted
[13:56] <mgedmin> I fear I may be an owner of the Lithuanian Translators LP group :/
[13:56] <mgedmin> I'm just terrible at collaboration :(
[13:58] <jbicha> oh never mind then since it looks like your changes didn't need approval
[13:58] <jbicha> you'll just have to wait for the next language pack update to include that change
[17:49] <dr4c4n_> so I downloaded the latest beta 2 of 16.10 ubuntu gnome, and I tried installing it on my asus Zenbook pro ux501vw, the Installer was great, seemed that everything was functioning well, no loud fans, and the touchpad worked, when the installer finished, it asked me to reboot which I did, I get to the login screen, enter my password, and the computer freezes, I can still see the grey background from
[17:49] <dr4c4n_> the login screen, and my mouse cursor, but it won't move and I had to shutdown, any suggestions?