[01:37] <vorian> nixternal: ping etc... :)
[01:58] <jtechidna> omg
[01:58] <jtechidna> <3 Simon Edwards
[01:58] <jtechidna> Riddell: He found a workaround for the crash
[01:59] <jtechidna> Make the KApplication a global var and everything works out
[10:26] <mornfall> Riddell: Hi! Could you please sync apt-xapian-index, libwibble, libept and adept from Sid into Intrepid? Thanks.
[10:38] <Riddell> ooh
[10:44] <Riddell> hmm, libwibble still at 0.1.19 in unstable
[12:01] <\sh> Riddell: are you up to some archive work? like syncing? :)
[12:01] <Riddell> \sh: could do
[12:01] <\sh> Riddell: ok..just testbuilding the experimental packages of new upstream sip4-qt3 + pyqt4
[12:06] <\sh> Riddell: short question why did you remove the python-elemtree?
[12:07] <\sh> Riddell: as the python-qt4 bin package consists of py2.4 + py2.5 version as it seems, wouldn't it be better to suggest the python-elemtree package?
[12:08] <Riddell> \sh: did I?  I don't even know what that is
[12:08] <Riddell> mornfall: synced from incoming
[12:08] <\sh> Riddell: or should be force the use of py2.5 as build target only? (setting XS-Python-Version in debian/control to 2.5)
[12:08] <\sh> python-qt4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=low
[12:08] <\sh>   * Remove depends on python-elemtree, it is not needed with python2.5
[12:08] <\sh>  -- Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:59:26 +0100
[12:09] <Riddell> don't honestly know
[12:10] <jtechidna> Riddell: If you're doing archive work could you take a look at bug 259404 while you're at it?
[12:10] <jtechidna> and good morning guys :)
[12:13] <\sh> Riddell: ok...would you sync then sip4-qt3 + python-qt4 from experimental then for intrepid...( i can't force requestsync to use experimental somehow9
[12:17] <Riddell> \sh: sip4-qt3 4.7.7-1 is already in ubuntu
[12:17] <\sh> ah
[12:17] <Riddell> syncing python-qt4_4.4.3-1
[12:18] <\sh> apachelogger: how far did you come along with your patch to pykde4?
[12:19] <\sh> apachelogger: if there is more work to be done, I'll prepare a debdiff for kde4bindings to bump the pyqt4 version for pykde4...and just rebuild it
[12:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you wanted me to remind you to remove "preview" from the description on first beta release of amarok 2
[12:19] <Nightrose> package description that is
[12:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[12:33] <JontheEchidna> Cool, thanks.
[13:24] <seele> Riddell: does the ubuntu hardware database collect screen resolution data?
[14:19] <mornfall> Riddell: Ah, right. Incoming is it -- I have just uploaded it when I poked you. I haven't realized ACCEPTed doesn't imply "in archive". ; - )
[14:26] <Riddell> seele: yes should do (the output of xdpyinfo as I remember)
[14:27] <ScottK> \sh: I get sip4-qt3 sync'ed back when you originally asked me about them.
[14:27] <ScottK> I did get ...
[14:27] <\sh> ScottK: ah...didn't get it then...thx...
[14:51] <nixternal> vorian: pong?
[14:52] <smarter> could someone please upload that? http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/pub/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu9.debdiff
[14:52] <Riddell> smarter: ok
[14:54] <Riddell> smarter: uploaded thanks, you should send it to debian too if they havn't done that already
[14:54] <smarter> 'kay
[14:54] <smarter> ppa backport probably has this bug too
[14:56] <smarter> does ubuntu wiki login works for you?
[14:56] <ScottK> smarter: Not for me with Konqueror KDE3.  Works in Firefox.
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: lemonpos-kde4 needs archiving in Intrepid
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> oh nevermind
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> dummy package
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> XP
[14:58] <smarter> ScottK: does not with konq/kde4 too :/
[14:59] <smarter> *does not work
[15:00] <ScottK> smarter: I filed a bug on ubuntu-website.  Please add a comment.
[15:01] <ScottK> smarter: Bug #259436
[15:02] <smarter> done ;)
[15:02]  * smarter goes back to his kvkbd Qt4 port
[15:05] <Riddell> smarter: you're doing one?
[15:05] <smarter> yep
[15:06] <smarter> it's running, buttons works, and I just got the tray icon back
[15:06] <smarter> *work
[15:07] <Riddell> groovy
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Simon Edwards helped me fix the crash in software-properties
[15:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: something fiddly involving object visibility I expect?
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah, making kapp a global var fixed the crash
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> er, declaring kapp as a global
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> The bad news is that I can't seem to fully wrap my head around KCmLineArgs/Options
[15:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: can be fiddly, try looking at gdebi-kde that uses it
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> Ooh, that might help
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> fiddly is an awesome word btw
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> Could I get a core dev to sponsor bug 253707?
[15:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[15:28] <Riddell> nixternal: remind me again what happened to pinentry-qt4
[15:29] <nixternal> Riddell: you need to sync it from debian experimental
[15:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploaded, also applied upstream
[15:30] <Riddell> nixternal: groovy, done
[15:30] <nixternal> groovy
[15:30]  * Riddell grooves with nixternal
[15:30] <nixternal> haha
[15:31] <nixternal> sign me up for UDS USA too, don't forget me :)
[15:33] <Riddell> nixternal: start a wiki page if you like
[15:33] <smarter> does anyone know what directories KStandardDirs check when you do something like     myFile = KStandardDirs::locate("appdata", "groups.lst") ?
[15:34] <Riddell> smarter: kde4-config --path appdata
[15:34] <Riddell> kde4-config --path data
[15:34] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[15:34] <smarter> Riddell: thanks :)
[15:35] <seele> Riddell: how do you run reports on the data?  http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ is the only website i've found and it looks broken
[15:36] <Riddell> seele: the data is kept hidden and secret because of privacy issues, I might have access to it, what are you looking for?
[15:37] <dinosaur-rus> I got a problem when compiling a Qt 4 program -- linker can't find Xtst.so library. libxtst package is installed, there're /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6 and /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6.1.0 files, but /usr/lib/libXtst.so symlink is missing
[15:37] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: try libxtst-dev
[15:40] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: oh, thanks :) I had to re-install my system and not everything may be restored :P
[15:41] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: kdelibs5-dev will install a bunch of useful packages like that
[15:41] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace-dev more so
[15:41] <seele> Riddell: what the average Kubuntu screen res is and what percent is smaller than 1024
[15:42] <Riddell> nixternal: bug 259767
[15:43] <Riddell> seele: I'll ping ogra
[15:43] <\sh> Riddell: I thought the hwdb data was anonymized somehow...
[15:47] <Riddell> \sh: there's no names attached but it could still be traced back
[15:54] <seele> Riddell: awesome.. thanks
[15:56] <dinosaur-rus> BTW, is there any way to tell the X server that my LCD monitor supports 75 Hz refresh rate? frequency ranges in xorg.conf are set, but they seem to have no effect...
[16:22] <dinosaur-rus> who does accept Adept suggestions? :)
[16:23] <seele> Riddell: kde-i18n got back to me and says Desktop Search shouldn't have any problems being translated
[16:23] <freeflying> Riddell: kde4 in intrepid only use ~/.kde?
[16:23] <seele> i dunno how new strings get submitted for translation or if it happens on its own though
[16:27] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[16:27] <Riddell> seele: I committed it to trunk so that'll happen automatically for 4.2
[16:28] <seele> ok
[16:28] <Riddell> seele: for intrepid I'd need to patch our packages but first I need to fix the patch to make .desktop files use .po translations
[16:31] <nixternal> Riddell: fixed and uploaded
[16:37] <Riddell> nixternal: rocking
[16:37] <nixternal> davmor2: hey, the about kubuntu thing, check and make sure that khelpcenter is pointing at /usr/share/doc/kde4 and not /usr/share/doc/kde
[16:37] <nixternal> I think
[16:40] <davmor2> hang on
[16:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thx
[16:41] <apachelogger> \sh: didn't I paste a new version?
[16:41] <apachelogger> \sh: you just need to reorder the link arguments in the cmake script that gets generated
[16:43] <davmor2> nixternal: I'll do it latter I did realise it was that late.  Be an hour or so :)
[16:52] <Riddell> seele: got the hwdb data, lets see how long it takes to uncompress it
[16:59] <davmor2> nixternal: right I've got a few minutes so it's booting up now
[17:01] <davmor2> nixternal: it points at help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu
[17:02] <nixternal> ya, but help might be pointing at /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/$cc/kubuntu/*
[17:02] <nixternal> help:// rather
[17:04] <davmor2> nixternal: no error the file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist.
[17:05] <nixternal> davmor2: intrepid right?
[17:05] <davmor2> nixternal: correct
[17:05] <apachelogger> you b0rked it
[17:05] <nixternal> ls /usr/share/doc/kde*
[17:05] <nixternal> there isn't a /usr/share/doc/kde/ in intrepid that I know of
[17:05] <apachelogger> well
[17:05] <apachelogger> share/doc/kde4/HTML
[17:06] <apachelogger> the kubuntu docs go to the wrong dir
[17:06] <nixternal> well that is where we are placing KDE 4 docs, so they don't overwrite anything KDE3 that might get installed
[17:07] <nixternal> KDE 3 installs docs to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/*
[17:07] <nixternal> KDE 4 installs docs to /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/*
[17:07] <nixternal> we need to patch kdebase-workspace or runtime so that KHelpCenter is looking in the correct location(s)
[17:08] <davmor2> nixternal: kde and kde4 are both there
[17:09] <nixternal> I will have to setup Intrepid sometime in the next week or so and take a look
[17:09] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:09] <apachelogger> nixternal: or we could just remove the cmake arg that makes it use kde/HTML
[17:09] <apachelogger> the kde4 packages which don't replace kde3 are conflicting anyways
[17:12] <davmor2> nixternal: is there anything else I can help you with?
[17:13] <nixternal> davmor2: nah, I think I got it...if not I will poke you with apachelogger
[17:13] <nixternal> the apachelogger of doom!
[17:13] <apachelogger> oioi
[17:16] <davmor2> nixternal: if you burn yourself a live cd that's where it shows up for me on the about kubuntu icon in desktop.  If I open up khelpcenter that seems to work okay :)
[17:16] <nixternal> ahhh, that is a .desktop issue....got it!
[17:16] <nixternal> w00t, glad you said that
[17:17]  * Riddell adds system-config-printer-kde to KDE SVN
[17:17] <davmor2> I did put it in my bug report ;)
[17:17] <nixternal> ahhh, it tries to open khelpcenter in the desktop file and not khelpcenter4
[17:17] <jjesse> there isn't any kubuntu documentation in khelpecenter in intrepid yet
[17:17] <jjesse> at least on my ysstem
[17:17] <nixternal> jjesse: is there khelpcenter or khelpcenter4 in intrepid?
[17:17] <nixternal> need to know the binary name
[17:17] <Riddell> there is a khelpcentre
[17:18] <nixternal> hrmm
[17:18] <Riddell> doesn't work terribly well
[17:18] <jjesse> khelpcenter version 4.1.00
[17:18] <jjesse> and konqi still shows the default konqi start page, "Next: An Introduction to Konqueror
[17:18] <nixternal> OK, I will have to install Intrepid on my lappy at home then
[17:18] <nixternal> it is time I back it up anyways
[17:19] <jjesse> i have it in a virtual machine
[17:19] <davmor2> nixternal: I'll leave it with you :)
[17:19] <nixternal> yay, time to write some more python
[17:19] <nixternal> eclipse + pydev == #1
[17:22] <Riddell> nixternal: got any keen your kde docs people who want to write a quick doc for system-config-printer-kde?
[17:22] <nixternal> Riddell: myself or jjesse
[17:22]  * jjesse ducks and whisltes
[17:22] <nixternal> I can do one up as it only takes an hour or so
[17:23] <jjesse> i don't have time today on site
[17:23] <nixternal> Riddell: email me or file a bug and assign it to me
[17:23] <Riddell> well, I don't want to distract you from kubuntu-docs
[17:23] <nixternal> Riddell: I can multi-task :P
[17:23] <nixternal> I need to do them simultaneously anyways, as KDE 4 docs are blah right now
[17:25] <jjesse> nixternal: best way to get back working on kde docs is to check out all of svn or just the docs folders?
[17:26] <nixternal> you can write a script probably to go through KDE/*/doc to pull each
[17:26] <nixternal> would be less space for sure
[17:27] <jjesse> ok
[17:46] <Riddell> 3.5.10 is available.. but does anyone care?
[17:52] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[17:53] <ScottK-laptop> What do you think about 3.5.10 for -proposed/updates?
[17:54] <Riddell> I'd be hesitant, that branch doesn't receive much testing
[17:54] <Riddell> but if someone want to do it, sure
[17:54] <ScottK-laptop> OTOH, I'd expect if the shoved something in there it must be of some significance.
[17:55] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: If you'll give me a list of source packages, I'll try and look at it in the next few days.  I want to make sure I get them all.
[17:56] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: just a list, surely you'd need the actual source itself
[17:56] <ScottK-laptop> I assume I can download that from somwhere?
[17:57] <Riddell> nope, it's super secret
[17:58] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Then I guess I need that too.
[18:00] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: probably easiest if I just give you access to ktown
[18:01] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[18:01] <ScottK-laptop> Please make it read only.
[18:02] <Riddell> hmm, the new launchpad UI doesn't make it easy to find your ssh key
[18:02] <Riddell> or maybe you don't have one in launchpad
[18:02] <Riddell> no, seems you don't
[18:02] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: got an ssh key?
[18:03] <ScottK-laptop> I never made one I cared about after the last fiasco.  Give me a moment.
[18:06] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: I worked out how to copy it over
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I got command line args back in and fixed a few things
[18:07] <Riddell> yay
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> Should be ready for review
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/pykde4
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> and hopefully a merge :)
[18:17] <yuriy> oooh
[18:17] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: does it have a KDE-like apply button now?
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> Uh... where?
[18:18] <yuriy> software properties
[18:18] <yuriy> it was gnome like instant apply before
[18:18] <yuriy> except not, it was just weird
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> I didn't add any buttons
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> I'm about to blog about it though
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> once I get pics and stuff
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> before/after pics
[18:23] <Riddell> seele: uncompressing just stopped
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> Who do I see about software-properties merges?
[18:25] <seele> Riddell: o.O
[18:26] <seele> Riddell: how big was the archive?
[18:27] <Riddell> seele: 217394 entries, 4.6 Gigs
[18:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if you run it without root, it gives the error box but doesn't quit
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> oops
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, for it quits when I run the script through python without root
[18:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh hang on, it does now
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> whew
[18:33] <Riddell> >sudo python software-properties-kde --enable-component universe
[18:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: breakage ^^
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> hum
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: for some reason kdesudo "python software-properties-kde --enable-component universe" works
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> ...and it deletes everything under universe in etc/apt/sources.list
[18:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: doesn't work with sudo though, just needs a cast to a str somewhere
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> what about the deleting everything under universe in the sources.list?
[18:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's gone!
[18:38] <Riddell> that doesn't seem right
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> does that happen with the normal pyqt build?
[18:41] <Riddell> dunno
[18:43] <Riddell> don't seem to
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> crapity crap
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> Let's see if casting to str helps
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: casting to str first fixes that too
[18:49] <Riddell> yay
[18:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: then e-mail michael vogt, cc me, asking if he wants to do the review/merge or if he's happy for me to do it
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[18:58] <Riddell> seele: still grepping..
[19:05] <seele> Riddell: i hope there is some useful data in there :)
[19:06] <Riddell> seele: hmm, 4500 done of 217394, this could take some time
[19:07] <Riddell> seele: but here's the current output http://paste.ubuntu.com/39178/
[19:09] <Riddell> seele: this is only people who have bothered to run hwdb-client so I'd guess it's only desktop using fans rather than non-geeks or server users
[19:09] <seele> Riddell: i'm hoping technical skill wont matter in terms of hardware
[19:10] <seele> the same laptop could be used by a home user or a hacker
[19:10] <seele> hmm.. it might be too late to ask, but can it be determined if it is a desktop or laptop?
[19:12] <Riddell> yes although it would take some python playing
[21:08] <fdoving> Riddell: ping. i'm not much around, so the 4th of august you asked about bug 186729.
[21:09] <fdoving> Riddell: the whole problem is that kio-umountwrapper wasn't updated for the removal of dolphin/d3lphin, so it kind of expects one file from dolphin to be around. and it doesn't depend on it.
[21:11] <fdoving> so when d3lphin, or konqueror for that matter, is removed before kio-umountwrapper, it'll break.
[21:11] <fdoving> and it's my fault.
[21:12] <fdoving> i belived i made a fixed package with the depends at some point.
[21:13] <fdoving> Riddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/intrepid/kio-umountwrapper/
[21:13] <fdoving> i pointed to that url in one of my comments to the bug.
[21:15] <fdoving> it should be pushed to hardy-updates before upgrades to intrepid starts, to prevent chaos.
[21:18] <smarter> mmh, chaos
[21:19] <fdoving> yeah, for those who remove dolphin upgrades will stop at some point, when/if kio-umountwrapper is removed.
[21:20] <fdoving> ehm, for those who have removed dolphin, and then try to remove kio-umountwrapper, that is.
[21:21] <fdoving> so, kio-umountwrapper needs to depend on dolphin and konqueror, then it's removed first if one of those are uninstalled.
[21:22] <fdoving> i made the .debdiff for this 4th of may.
[21:23] <Riddell> thanks fdoving
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: adept3.0~beta1 crashes when ran without sudo
[21:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bug 99363
[21:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: gtk-qt-engine needs to go back to main, gtk-qt-engine-kde4 source can be removed ... do we need a new MIR?
[21:40] <apachelogger> considering -engine is -kde4 just a new version :)
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[21:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: meh
[21:42]  * Nightrose puts it on the agenda
[21:45] <fdoving> ah, Gauvain Pocentek has a better solution.
[21:46] <fdoving> Riddell: Gauvain Pocentek has a smarter solution, easier anyway. jsut make the dirs, then the divert will work even if dolphin isn't around. not sure how that will work if dolphin is installed, but i guess dpkg-divert will handle that. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-umountwrapper/+bug/186729/comments/21 and 22
[21:48] <fdoving> yep, i'm pretty sure dpkg-divert will handle that. so that's a good solution as far as i can tell.
[21:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: no MIR needed
[22:14] <Riddell> seele: how's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/39219/
[22:36] <seele> Riddell: awesome :)
[22:37] <Riddell> surprisingly few laptops
[22:38] <seele> a lot of desktops seem to have widescreen monitors too
[22:38] <seele> i wonder if they are really laptops?
[22:38] <yuriy__> yeah most of the desktop/laptop things on there don't make sense
[22:39] <Riddell> yuriy__: why do you say that?
[22:39] <seele> Riddell: line 23
[22:39] <seele> 532 desktops running 1280x800?
[22:39] <seele> that is a pretty typical laptop screen resolution
[22:40] <Riddell> I'm grepping for BAT in the hal output
[22:40] <yuriy__> I don't know of any laptops that do 1280x1024, or any desktops that do 1280x800 or 1280x768 or 1400x1050
[22:40] <Riddell> there must be a better way to grep for laptop-ness but I don't know what
[22:40] <seele> that's ok.. the data is still useful
[22:40] <seele> is this all ubuntu or just kubuntu?
[22:41] <Riddell> all ubuntu
[22:41] <seele> ok cool
[22:41] <Riddell> seele: what's this for?
[22:41] <seele> Riddell: trying to figure out what screen size we should be designing for as a desktop
[22:41] <seele> Riddell: nuno wants icons + text instead if icons/text
[22:42] <seele> but 1024 is a bit too small for some applications (but it is dubious if they should have text with the icons at all)
[22:42] <seele> some apps it makes sense for, such as okular
[22:42] <seele> plus, when you do icons + text, you use less vertical space
[22:42] <seele> which means more real estate for laptop users
[22:42] <yuriy__> what if it was dependent on how many things are in the toolbar?
[22:43] <seele> yuriy__: that is another possibility
[22:43] <seele> for example, kmail probably doesnt need icons + text, nor does koffice
[22:43] <seele> konqueror.. i'm not sure.  i think we could probably do just icons for that too
[22:44] <yuriy__> i'm just glad the toolbar issues are resolved, according to ereslibre's blog and hope that gets backported
[22:44] <seele> dolphin looks pretty nice with icons + text too
[22:44] <smarter> yuriy__: awesome! that thing was driving me mad
[22:45] <seele> Riddell: screen size will also effect what default plasma widgets we should put on the desktop in ibex
[22:45] <seele> and what their default size is
[22:46] <smarter> seele: maybe it could be automagically changed according to the resolution?
[22:46] <seele> smarter: that is something we are considering too.. but that could effect screenshots in documentation
[22:47] <smarter> I always disable icons+text on my EEE(800x480)
[22:47] <seele> first i think nuno and i will look at which apps are a problem under 1024 and see if they need icons + text at all
[22:48] <smarter> "1920 x 1200 laptop" Oo
[22:48] <smarter> who needs a 22' laptop?
[22:53] <yuriy__> what do I have to do to get qt4 designer working again?
[23:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: meh the wiki doesn't want to log me in :(
[23:15] <Nightrose> so i can't edit the page
[23:17] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: Unfortunately you need Firefox.  It's broken with Konqueror.
[23:17]  * ScottK-laptop filed a bug already.
[23:18] <Nightrose> ScottK-laptop: ahhh thanks
[23:18] <Nightrose> will try in firefox then


[07:39] <ratrace> Hello. Can anyone do me a favor? If you have nginx installed, can you check its logrotate hook, how is it signaling nginx to reopen logs? using   invoke-rc.d rotate nginx     or pidfile directly, or some other way?
[08:59] <icey> ratrace: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/6QkrggQz98/
[09:00] <ratrace> icey: so it does the same dumb thing like debian. thanks for your assistance.
[09:00] <icey> ratrace: looks like the post-rotate ends up doing "start-stop-daemon --stop --signal USR1 --quiet --pidfile $PID --name $NAME"
[09:01] <ratrace> yes, I know what the "rotate" command in init script does. my problem here is that it's using the init script at all, even though systemd is the _only_ supported init on Ubuntu
[09:02] <ratrace> because invoke-rc.d is subject to policy-rc.d and I've had certain unexpected fallout with cases like this one, trying to block service (re)starts upon installation or upgrade
[09:39] <Peanut> Is ZFS install not available on the server installer yet? (Focal)
[10:12] <mwhudson> Peanut: correct
[10:20] <Peanut> Bummer - and the desktop iso is not a live iso, and the netboot.tar.gz / netboot.iso also doesn't contain the ZFS installer.
[10:22] <Peanut> So basically there is no way to netboot and get ZFS boot installed. Somewhat of a dissapointment, it's been decades since I've done the whole booting from a stick thingy.
[11:07] <littlebit> hi people, I have created a self signed certificate and wanted to enable https with snap with : nextcloud-enable-https custom , and that command wants a chain
[11:07] <littlebit> can someone help me
[11:15] <icey> hey jamespage - I think that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1878419 was initially your request, any chance you could update it with what you're hoping to see with it?
[12:15] <jamespage> icey: its about upgrade paths and whether we need to maintain the breaks/replaces fields - they get used when files move between packages
[12:16] <jamespage> so for example - in groovy, we only have to worry about upgrades from focal - so its likely we can drop a whole load of breaks/replaces stanza's
[12:16] <jamespage> as the file moves pre-date the focal package versions
[15:39] <mdeslaur> rbasak: hi! Looks like the new mysql is FTBFS on riscv64, and it's preventing me from releasing my security update. Would you be the proper person to take a look, or should I ping someone else?
[15:43] <rbasak> mdeslaur: someone on my squad will need to take it. I'm trying to increase the bus factor on MySQL and have others look at it more rather than it just being me. I can ask for volunteers in standup tomorrow, or we need it sooner we can ask around now I guess?
[15:44] <mdeslaur> rbasak: it's blocking the security update, it can wait until the standup if nobody volunteers before then
[15:45] <mdeslaur> unless I can regress riscv64 on focal? I'm not sure if we support it on focal or not
[15:48]  * rbasak doesn't know
[19:57] <Soni> how do I force a systemd unit to not run even tho another unit wants it to run?
[19:57] <sarnold> Soni: mask the unit, systemctl mask ...
[19:59] <Soni> huh, thanks
[20:03] <Soni> yeah I should just switch my quassel core to use postgres tbh but eh I don't wanna .-. so thanks!


[00:29] <hfjhsdkalf7832> greetings, fresh install of lubuntu  (via hyperv win10),  sudo apt update fails with Err:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic InRelease... Connection failed [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] ... not sure what to try next (linux noob).. ping works
[00:29] <wxl> redo. probably a temporary network issue
[00:29] <wxl> you can see it's looking for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/cosmic/InRelease
[00:32] <hfjhsdkalf7832> interesting... i can get to that url on the host, but not via Firefox on the vm...  a path to investigate... thanks
[00:32] <wxl> probably networking issues in your vm
[00:33] <wxl> like with the way the vm is configured, not with linux
[00:38] <hfjhsdkalf7832> hmmm thats what i thought... but other sites work in the vm... like google.com etc...  ... double hmmm... it just came right... so you were correct.... temp site issues i guess
[08:48] <John__> Hi can you download the lubuntu manual for off line print out please
[08:53] <John__> Hi, can I download the manual for off line use please<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or email me please
[09:18] <krytarik> "wget -rq https://manual.lubuntu.me/" - seems to suffice.
[15:13] <cianoscatolo> Hi guys, I have a problem when trying to install anything from the Discover store. It gives this error: "Incorrect permissions on /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1 (needs to be setuid root)"
[15:14] <teward> yikes that sounds like something's totally fubar on your system
[15:14] <teward> can you show us the output of `ls -al /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1` and `ls -al /usr/lib`?
[15:14] <teward> use a pastebin
[15:14] <teward> !Pastebin
[15:15] <cianoscatolo> How can I show the output?
[15:16] <cianoscatolo> Anyways I installed Lubuntu like 10 minutes ago so it wouldn't be a problem to reinstall
[15:16] <teward> you'd have to copy/paste the output into a web browser at paste.ubuntu.com and submit it, then give us the URL to the paste and copy/paste that into here.
[15:17] <cianoscatolo> Well... and where can I see the output? :/
[15:17] <teward> you would open a termainl to do that.  My guess is that you've got something totally messed in permissions, so you might *want* to give reinstalling a shot to see if it corrects itself.
[15:18] <cianoscatolo> I think I'll reinstall. Thanks a lot.
 @cianoscatolo [<cianoscatolo> I think I'll reinstall. Thanks a lot.], Check the Iso
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[19:19] <justtesting> guys, when i minimise the quassel program and come back after some time there is a convenient line in each room telling me where i was when i left - so i can view messages from that point. is there a keyboard shortcut to jump to that line ?
[19:20] <lynorian> Control+K
[22:22] <justtesting> thankyou!!!!!!


[23:29] <ahoneybun> darkxst: !
[23:29] <darkxst> ahoneybun, hey
[23:30] <ahoneybun> darkxst: how is UG?
[23:31] <darkxst> pretty quiet at the moment, waiting on gtk update in utopic
[23:31] <ahoneybun> darkxst: I got my GNOME postcard