[00:46] <v> Sorry, I don't know anything about wsky
[02:35] <milad1512> why in site is says it is highly recommended and preferred to use torrent download ?
[02:36] <Pici> Because that puts less strain on the Xubuntu servers
[02:36] <milad1512> ok, thanks
[02:55] <chaotix> hello, i am trying to get a conky config to look right, and was hoping to get a hand.  it is supposed to have a transparent background,  but for some reason the background of the conky is the default wallpaper of the distro, no matter what i set my wallpaper to... I am using xubuntu 12.04, can anyone help me with this?  this is the conky i am trying to use:  http://zagortenay333.deviantart.com/art/Conky-Vision-395777503     ...and this is my screenshot:
[02:55] <chaotix> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10132014-105231pm.php][img]http://en.zimagez.com/avatar/screenshot-10132014-105231pm.png
[03:02] <ObrienDave> !crosspost | chaotix
[03:03] <chaotix> ObrienDave, i was not aware
[03:03] <chaotix> thanks for pointing that out
[03:04] <chaotix> i have figured it out now
[03:04] <ObrienDave> 'tis ok, no worries
[03:04] <chaotix> i just needed to uncomment two lines in the conkyrc
[03:04] <chaotix> bye
[03:04] <ObrienDave> good luck and have fun
[03:04] <chaotix> thanks
[06:57] <bellow> I have some bed stuff that when I wash the bed stuff it smells clean but after I dry it there is bad odor coming from them. More info in this link http://pastebin.com/Ard4SXiK
[07:05] <Weaselweb> hi, I'm running Xubuntu 14.04.1 and have a custom sheel script setting some development variables. this shell script is sourced by .bashrc. now starting eclipse from xterminal has those variables set, while eclipse started from launcher does not. how can I set environment variables using that shell script?
[07:10] <ochosi> Weaselweb: you could create a launcher (or edit eclipse's launcher) to run the shell script instead of just executing eclipse?
[07:12] <Weaselweb> is there no generic way? maybe I need those settins for other applications too. I do not want to create specific launchers for each task I need to run
[07:12] <Weaselweb> I found http://superuser.com/questions/485499/how-to-set-environment-variables-for-xfce-windowing-environment but it does not work
[08:25] <bonk3rzz> what gtk peeps running
[08:40] <xubuntu27w> bjr????
[08:41] <xubuntu27w> ??
[08:42] <Unit193> !fr | xubuntu27w
[08:42] <Unit193> You'll have to use words to ask there too though.
[08:43] <xubuntu27w> merci
[09:43] <ioan> hi, I'm themeing xubuntu and need Xfce-Dusk theme
[09:43] <ioan> (I've used that while I had another OS, with Xfce)
[09:44] <ioan> in which package do I find it
[09:44] <ioan> ?
[09:44] <jhenke_> hi folks, just wondering, is there a plan to change the purple highlight colour back to blue for the final 14.10 by default? or is the purple intended for release as well (just wondering)
[09:47] <knome> jhenke_, that's going to be permanent in 14.10
[09:48] <jhenke_> hmm okay
[09:49] <ioan> nevermind, it was in gtk2-engines-xfce
[12:49] <bgardner> Good morning all.  I note xfce4-weather-plugin is floating at the top of the tank for the last few days, apparently due to an API change.  I can see what I think is the Bugzilla entry (https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10916), but Launchpad doesn't indicate that Xubuntu is aware.  Am I looking in the right place for tracking this in Xubuntu?
[13:12] <xubuntu36o> hello
[13:12] <xubuntu36o> is it possible 2 install xubuntu from kubuntu?
[13:13] <xubuntu36o> so, that kubuntu is deleted, and xubuntu is installed
[13:14] <baizon> xubuntu36o: yes it is
[13:15] <xubuntu36o> baizon: is there a wiki articel for it?
[13:15] <xubuntu36o> i found that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[13:15] <baizon> xubuntu36o: google in most cases should have something... for example this: http://www.linux.org/threads/converting-between-the-ubuntus.5079/
[13:16] <baizon> xubuntu36o: or this: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xfce
[13:18] <xubuntu36o> oh, okay thanks
[15:06] <xubuntu58w> hi
[15:07] <xubuntu58w> i need help
[15:08] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu58w
[15:09] <Linnak> Hi, when i want to play a video file with parole i got an error: gstreamer backed error - Could not initialise Xv output
[15:09] <Linnak> Should I install something?
[15:10] <Linnak> The files are mp4 and mkv format
[15:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Huh, never saw that one before. Is this a recent thing, or has it happened the whole time?
[15:11] <Linnak> Poisoned_Dragon: Talking to me?
[15:12] <xubuntu58w> guys
[15:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yuppers.
[15:12] <xubuntu58w> can taskbar be at bottom ?
[15:12] <holstein> xubuntu58w: yes
[15:12] <Linnak> I've just installed the system
[15:12] <Linnak> And also why is the libreoffice look like windows2000 style. Should I install a theme or something?
[15:13] <holstein> xubuntu58w: you can "right click" on the panel or panel elements and move or remove or edit.. i suggest using the guest account or a live CD to learn how to customize
[15:13] <xubuntu58w> thanks
[15:13] <holstein> !restricted | Linnak
[15:13] <GridCube> xubuntu58w, yes, unlock it in setting, grad and drop the panel from a corner
[15:13] <Linnak> holstein: Thanks
[15:14] <holstein> Linnak: as far as the "theme", i would look for and apply updates.. with the "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" command in a terminal, or however you prefer to update, and if your issue with the look/feel is still there, take a screenshot and let the volunteers know what you want to address specifically
[15:16] <xubuntu58w> what is grad
[15:16] <xubuntu58w> and
[15:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Worst case scenario would be to use VLC. I don't think it uses gstreamer libraries.
[15:16] <holstein> xubuntu58w: grad, in relation to what?
[15:16] <xubuntu58w> which is more light lxde or xfce or just for the latest versions ?
[15:17] <xubuntu58w> grid writed it to me
[15:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> I always pull parole on a fresh install.
[15:17] <xubuntu58w> grad and drop
[15:17] <Linnak> i installed restricted extras same error
[15:17] <holstein> xubuntu58w: the "l" is from "lxde", which is "lightweight" x desktop environment
[15:17] <xubuntu58w> i know but
[15:18] <xubuntu58w> before ı see
[15:18] <xubuntu58w> xfce was more lightweight than lxde
[15:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> Lxde is kinda lighter. Certainly modular, like xfce. I just don't like lxde as much.
[15:18] <holstein> xubuntu58w: its always a trade off and a compromise
[15:18] <xubuntu58w> i should be first at google if u search
[15:18] <holstein> xubuntu58w: no one will say xfce is lighter than lxde.. but, its not really all that much heavier
[15:18] <xubuntu58w> ok
[15:18] <xubuntu58w> i didnt liked lubuntu
[15:19] <holstein> xubuntu58w: you may find xfce similarly light, and easier to use
[15:19] <xubuntu58w> will install xubuntu
[15:19] <holstein> xubuntu58w: they are *all* ubuntu
[15:19] <xubuntu58w> ı know
[15:19] <xubuntu58w> now ım running kubuntu
[15:19] <holstein> Linnak: i would try seperating out the codec support from the playback..
[15:19] <xubuntu58w> its contains a lot of things that confuses mind in the UI
[15:20] <GridCube> xubuntu58w, grad == drag
[15:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> Linnak, you said it was a fresh install?
[15:20] <holstein> xubuntu58w: thats why there are other options available..
[15:20] <xubuntu58w> also cant open installed apps quickly from start menu and some slow
[15:21] <holstein> xubuntu58w: there are *many* ways to open applications.. many of which would work in any DE
[15:21] <xubuntu58w> thank you holstein and gridcube for your helps
[15:21] <xubuntu58w> bye
[15:21] <holstein> xubuntu58w: such as synapse or kupfer..
[15:21] <Linnak> holstein: How do you mean separating?
[15:21] <Linnak> Poisoned_Dragon: Yes a fresh one
[15:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> Linnak, install updates. Parole's issues should resolve itself.
[15:22] <holstein> Linnak: i mean, try known good files with default support.. to seperate out is it codec support or bad files.. or OS misconfigureded
[15:22] <Linnak> Poisoned_Dragon: Updates was the first thing I did
[15:23] <Linnak> holstein: OK
[15:23] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's a missih gstreamer package that now gets installed with a newer version of parole.
[15:23] <holstein> Linnak: try again in a terminal. to be sure.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[15:23] <holstein> also, VLC is one of the first things i install .. i actually prefer it
[15:23] <xubuntu02w> hi
[15:23] <xubuntu02w> ım that guy that was asked some questions
[15:24] <Linnak> holstein: I use that as well. I just tried the things I do with a basic system
[15:24] <xubuntu02w> ı want to know one more thing
[15:24] <holstein> !ask xubuntu02w
[15:25] <xubuntu02w> when ı drag and drop the taskbar to bottom will it be like kde's or lubuntu's taskbar
[15:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> If not, Linnak, there is a terminal command you can try. parole --xv false
[15:25] <xubuntu02w> so no dark
[15:25] <xubuntu02w> white and no blur
[15:25] <xubuntu02w> or some blur like kde plasma
[15:25] <holstein> xubuntu02w: i suggest trying it in the live CD or the guest account. the changes you make will not be persistent
[15:26] <xubuntu02w> ok but
[15:26] <xubuntu02w> this is very important for me
[15:26] <xubuntu02w> if ı can
[15:26] <holstein> xubuntu02w: then, you can see first hand if it fits your needs
[15:26] <xubuntu02w> ı will install
[15:26] <holstein> xubuntu02w: if i want blur, i make blur.. if i dont, i dont..
[15:26] <xubuntu02w> ok
[15:26] <holstein> xubuntu02w: you can experiement with all of this with a live CD *before* installing
[15:26] <xubuntu02w> okay
[15:26] <xubuntu02w> thank yoı
[15:26] <holstein> live USB..
[15:27] <xubuntu02w> ı got it
[15:28] <holstein> i say, get something that best fits your needs and machine and try and just use it for while.. try and not make large changes to it right off.. try the defaults, and learn to configure settings.. then, i think you'll find you can implement literally most anything you want
[15:30] <Linnak> Poisoned_Dragon:  parole --xv false did the job. thanks
[15:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> You're welcome.
[15:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's a dirty solution but, good for the short term.
[15:32] <milad1512> i installed xubuntu from unity, and i want to uninstall unity, what should i do ?
[15:34] <holstein> milad1512: i would acually first consider the "if it aint broke" saying.. and think about leaving it, after looking at the actual hard drive space that it would free up.. i would refer to something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1976266 or try removing ubuntu-desktop and see what is offered to be removed..
[15:35] <genii> !purexfce
[15:35] <genii> Heh, somewhat out of date now
[15:37] <Linnak> so here is the Libreoffice looks like windows2000 style: http://www.kephost.com/images/2014/10/14/Screenshot-2014-10-14-17.16.03.png
[15:38] <Linnak> The edges of the windows are sharp not smooth rounded. Is it norman on xfce?
[15:39] <milad1512> holstein, is it ok to remove unity from software center ?
[15:40] <milad1512> ubuttu , ?
[15:41] <milad1512> ubottu . Note, this applies only to Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal). If you're using 12.04, go here. If you're using 11.10, go here. If you're using 10.04, go here. " i have 14.04.1 !
[15:46] <slickymasterWork> milad1512 ubottu is a bot, not a real person ;)
[15:48] <milad1512> is it ok to do this ? "sudo apt-get remove --purge unity" ?
[15:49] <holstein> milad1512: as i said, i would look and see what the benefits are, which is literally only the hard drive space freed up
[15:50] <Pici> milad1512: use the -s (simulate) switch to see what will happen when you do that.  Obviously don't do it if it looks like it will remove too many pacakges.
[15:53] <milad1512> holstein , do you know how much size will be freed up ?
[15:53] <milad1512> Pici , it just removes the "ubuntu-desktop* unity*"
[15:54] <holstein> milad1512: i dont.. but, i would look and see.. its likely a few hundred mb's.. nothing that i would be concerned about
[15:54] <holstein> ubuntu-desktop meta package may offer to remove what you are wanting to remove..
[15:56] <milad1512> holstein , if it's possibly better i want to use that command i wrote earlier. so what do you say ?
[15:57] <milad1512> holstein , i have 1 T hard , but yes , if i don't use the unity a few hundred certainly concerns me still.
[15:58] <holstein> milad1512: then, feel free and research how to remove it.. i would do it with the commands Pici suggested, and see that the commands are going to remove what i want to remove.. as for "is it safe?".. you should have proper backups in place regardless.. consider imaging so you can revert easily
[15:59] <milad1512> holstein , as i said i used that command and it said it only remove ubuntu-desktop* unity*,  so is it safe ?
[16:01] <holstein> milad1512: the safest things i can suggest are, either leave it alone, since nothing is broken, and the benefits are a small amount of hard disk space.. or, have proper backups/images since *all* hard drives will fail, and that is a "good" step regardless.. otherwise, is the command removing what you want to have removed? is so use it
[16:05] <milad1512> holstein , i'll risk, i think :)
[16:05] <holstein> milad1512: have backups, and risk nothing.. since your hard drive and all others fail, its a good plan regardless
[16:07] <milad1512> holstein , ok thanks
[16:07] <milad1512> another question
[16:08] <milad1512> can i install xubuntu with ubuntu live cd ?
[16:08] <milad1512> using TRY UBUNTU . bottom ?
[16:10] <holstein> milad1512: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. and you are asking about, and describing how to do that.. but, you dont at install time.. with the ubuntu iso, you get ubuntu.. you then can install what you like (xfce or xubuntu's desktop, for example).. or, you can use the "net install" mini iso..
[16:10] <holstein> !mini
[16:11] <holstein> from the mini iso, you can basically choose what you want to end up with, which gets downloaded at install time.. but, you dont get to audition the desktop with the "try" option
[16:14] <milad1512> holstein , ubotty , that sure is useful ; thanks
[16:14] <holstein> milad1512: ubottu is a bot.. no problem
[16:15] <holstein> !bot
[16:15] <milad1512> ubottu is seriously a bot ?
[16:17] <milad1512> wow, tanks anyway
[16:19] <GridCube> !thanks
[16:20] <garandil> In 14.04.01 after the latest kernel upgrade my laptop have started to act strange, it will not boot unless I unplug my USB3.0 SSD drive from the machine and replug it while being in rescue mode for the previous kernel and replug the USB drive.. then I am able to reboot and get into the previous kernel annotation in Grub, booting Windows 7 works every time. Any clues are appreciated.
[16:20] <holstein> garandil: the kernel shouldnt effect your booting windows in any way.. so, thats a 'red flag' to me
[16:21] <holstein> garandil: id say, it could be that the "sudo update-grub" command that would have been ran after the installation of the new kernel may have written settings about the USB hard drive you reference
[16:22] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair can be helpful..
[16:22] <garandil> ran update-grub now, will see how that works
[16:35] <milad1512> what's the command to kill all the programs i run at the same time ?
[16:36] <deshipu> milad1512: kill -1
[16:37] <milad1512> thanks
[16:39] <milad1512> deshipu, actually , it was kill -9 -1 . but thanks you made me remember
[16:39] <deshipu> -9 makes it a hard kill
[16:40] <milad1512> deshipu, but kill -1 didn't work
[16:40] <deshipu> milad1512: sorry
[16:41] <milad1512> deshipu, nooooo. what are you sorry for ? . as i said you made me remember so i should be thanking and thanks
[16:41] <deshipu> milad1512: but I remembered wrong :)
[16:41] <deshipu> seems like you have to pass the signal number if you are specifying -
[16:41] <deshipu> -1
[16:42] <milad1512> deshipu , and i remembered nothing and you helped me, and yes
[16:43] <deshipu> yw
[16:43] <milad1512> i gotta go do something dangerous as uninstalling unity so bye for now, pray for me
[16:44] <holstein> milad1512: just backup, and plan for failure.. then, you will be "safe"
[16:44] <milad1512> get my back up on what ?
[16:44] <milad1512> on hard or dvd ?
[16:45] <holstein> milad1512: *anything*.. an image.. another hard drive, since that hard drive *is* going to fail
[16:45] <milad1512> are you sure it going to fail ?
[16:45] <holstein> milad1512: yes.. they *all* do
[16:45] <deshipu> sooner or later
[16:45] <milad1512> even though i installed xubuntu ?
[16:45] <deshipu> there are two kinds of people: those who make backups, and those who will make backups
[16:45] <holstein> so, planning for that factual, inevitable act will help
[16:46] <holstein> milad1512: that is hardware... the hardware will fail..
[16:46] <holstein> milad1512: linux doesnt magically protect your hard drive from failing, as they all do
[16:46] <milad1512> holstein , have you tried that yourself '?
[16:47] <holstein> milad1512: tried what? proper backups? yes.. i image where i want an image. using clonezilla.. and i have multiple copies of important data..
[16:48] <holstein> milad1512: its a fact that your hard drives will all fail.. the one ubuntu is on. the one you backup to. the one in your phone.. the one at the server this chat is running on.. they *all* fail
[16:48] <holstein> milad1512: if you are "worried" about running commands, and breaking your system, then i say, you dont have proper backups. address that factual need, and you will need not be afraid of breaking your system, since you will be able to revert
[16:49] <milad1512> holstein, how do i revert  ?
[16:50] <holstein> milad1512: i use clonezilla, if i want/need images.. if not, i just access my backups that i have on other physical media
[16:50] <holstein> milad1512: "how do i revert" would be best answered by knowing how one backed up what exactly
[16:50] <milad1512> i though it's possible without backups
[16:51] <holstein> milad1512: that hard drive *is* going to fail.. period. they all do..
[16:51] <milad1512> can i back up on internet ?
[16:51] <holstein> milad1512: if you plan for that happening, then, *if* you run a command and your system is broken, then you have bacups
[16:51] <holstein> backups*
[16:52] <holstein> milad1512: nothing about ubuntu or xubuntu is preventing you from using something online to backup to..
[16:52] <milad1512> ok
[16:52] <milad1512> bye for now
[16:55] <chuck_> I am having a problem with my terminal.  When using python interpreter, the cursor will jump to the beginning of the line and start overlapping what was already typed.  How can I fix this?
[16:56] <holstein> chuck_: what are you using? and from where?
[16:57] <chuck_> Xubuntu 14.04 python 2.7
[16:58] <holstein> chuck_: does it do it in tty? is it actually a terminal problem?
[16:58] <holstein> !tty
[16:58] <milad1512> holstein , hahahaha , i run the command and it only removed about 6 mb(hahahahaha) and unity is gone, hahaha
[16:59] <GridCube> if this is a laptop you might be accidentally tapping the trackpad
[16:59] <milad1512> holstein , it wasn't actually few hundred but a few mg
[17:00] <GridCube> you can enable a lag between the typing and the trackpad detection on the device settings if this is the case
[17:00] <GridCube> milad1512, that makes, sense, but its still not recommended
[17:00] <holstein> milad1512: correct.. i said, at more, a few hundred, and not to bother with it, for the benefit of free-ing up hard drive space
[17:00] <holstein> at most*
[17:00] <chuck_> I am using terminal in Xubuntu.  is that a tty?
[17:01] <holstein> chuck_: no.. try using a tty from the guide i linked above
[17:01] <holstein> To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back)
[17:01] <GridCube> no, a tty is a different instance from the one thats graphically oriented
[17:02] <milad1512> holstein , nothing failed i didn't really need any backups
[17:02] <holstein> chuck_: do you experience the same cursor jump in tty?
[17:02] <holstein> milad1512: no.. you *still* need backups.. nothing you did broke anything, which is great.. congratulations
[17:03] <holstein> milad1512: but, you can see, all you got was 6mb's free. which is why i suggested not to remove the packages just for the hard drive space..
[17:03] <milad1512> holstein , :) yeah i know
[17:04] <milad1512> holstein , how often do you use backups ?
[17:05] <holstein> milad1512: its like what my grandmother told me when i was a kid.. "you dont have to brush your teeth, only the ones you want to keep"
[17:05] <holstein> milad1512: you backup what you want to keep, since *all* hard drives fail..
[17:05] <holstein> http://lifehacker.com/5961216/why-you-should-have-more-than-one-backup for example
[17:06] <holstein> milad1512: i *immediately* backup what i need to have backed up in the way that fits my needs.. if its something im getting paid for, then, i keep many copies
[17:07] <holstein> milad1512: for example, i did audio for a local movie. the director called me saying that she cant get her hard drive to mount.. its not my data, nor job.. but i suggested (the same as i suggest to you) that she have copies.. i have the data she paid me to make for her in many places
[17:08] <holstein> the size of the data, or the hassle of backing up.. its all an excuse. you have to find a solution that fits your needs, and implement it..
[17:09] <holstein> milad1512: its irrelevant of the operating system.. and should be done with all data that one needs to keep.. i would be glad to discuss further in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel, as this is not xubuntu specific necessarily
[17:15] <chuck_> No, it didn't seem to do it.  It wrapped around
[17:16] <chuck_> it might have something to do with editing my bash for text completion, but I'm not sure
[17:21] <holstein> chuck_: wrapping is the issue? or jumping?
[17:21] <holstein> chuck_: but, you are saying, in tty, all is well?
[17:23] <chuck_> when I get to the end of a line in the python interpreter, the cursor will jump back to the begining of the line I just typed and start to overwrite.  seems to be okay in tty, couldn't reproduce it
[17:24] <holstein> chuck_: you can try other terminals.. or, just work in tty
[17:24] <chuck_> ...but I often copy & past urls which I can't do in tty
[17:24] <chuck_> ok, thanks
[17:37] <sveinse> I have a wierd xfce4 on nx question: I've lost the fonts. When I open the terminal, the cursor is there, but no text. Likewise the text on the app menu is gone. I've tried to run xfwm --replace without success. Any ideas?
[17:55]  * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[17:59] <knome> m3n3chm0, ?
[18:01] <m3n3chm0> hello
[18:04] <knome> hello
[19:31] <milad1512> what's the best disk image burner ?
[20:40] <brent2> Anyone have any idea why I'm receiving this error with xrandr? http://i.imgur.com/UVjd9M1.png
[20:40] <brent2> It works fine with LVDS1 (internal display)
[21:11] <ibuntu> hello, I'm using Xubuntu 14.04 on an older machine and today when I came home from work it won't connect to a wifi network. It sees them, and tries connect but just saying disconnected after a minute. I couldn't find anything online, can someone help me please?
[21:35] <JCT> how do i reset a panel?
[21:36] <JCT> i tried to modify application indicator but it wouldn't wok
[22:32] <xubuntu52w> hello hello
[22:33] <knome> hello
[23:40] <xubuntu25w> Hi there
[23:41] <xubuntu25w> I've installed Xubuntu 2 weeks ago and I experienced some screen tearing
[23:41] <xubuntu25w> I noticed it appears after the notebook lid has been shut once
[23:42] <xubuntu25w> installed compiz but did not fixed the problem though
[23:43] <xubuntu25w> anyone can help


[09:45] <ev> skaet_: alpha 3, and thanks!
[10:58] <jibel> cjwatson, Hi, alternate and server fail to install this morning, I filed bug 724242.
[10:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 724242 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "alternate and server images fail to install: d-i stops with "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724242
[10:59] <cjwatson> noted
[11:07]  * cjwatson waits for jigdo
[11:26] <lamont> someone want to sync over bind9 from sid to clear the ~build1 from the version string?
[11:26] <lamont> ditto for postfix
[11:40] <cjwatson> lamont: done
[11:53] <ev> I'd like to capitalize natty in lsb-release. Any objections?
[11:54] <cjwatson> I'm concerned that that will break existing scripts
[11:54] <cjwatson> consumers that want to present it in title-case should do that themselves IMO
[11:55] <cjwatson> unless you mean in DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION
[11:55] <ev> in this case indeed I do
[11:55] <cjwatson> ah, right.  it's fine to change DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION, but DISTRIB_CODENAME needs to stay the way it is
[11:55] <ev> (context: os-prober)
[11:55] <ev> hooray
[11:56] <cjwatson> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION only uses the codename during development anyway :)
[11:56] <ev> indeed
[12:06] <ev> done. base-files 5.0.0ubuntu27.  Thanks, cjwatson.
[12:25] <cjwatson> could anyone look at libpci3-udeb and biosdevname in NEW, please?
[17:04] <micahg> hi, I was looking at merge requests for cairo-dock (2.2.x -> 2.3.0~rc1), cairo-dock-plug-ins (2.2.x -> 2.3.0~rc1), and latexilla (0.2.0 -> 2.0.5), I'd actually like to spend a little more time with the proposer regarding the packaging changes, would I be able to get a freeze exceptions for these, I can provide the bug numbers as well
[17:30] <skaet_> Riddell,  cjwatson, pitti - soft freeze for alpha 3 next week on Monday 1800 UTC ok?  That give enough time to have images for QA/testing on Tues AM?
[17:31] <cjwatson> we could afford a bit later to let the US have a bit more of a day's work
[17:32] <cjwatson> say 2300 UTC?
[17:33] <skaet_> cjwatson,  cool.   will use that then.
[17:34] <micahg> skaet_: can I get an exception for the above ^^, they're all leaf packages
[17:36] <ScottK> micahg: leaf packages on images?
[17:36] <skaet_> micahg, if they're leaf packages in terms of other packages not having dependencies on them, that should be ok.   Please subscribe me to the bug, when you set it up so I can track.
[17:37] <micahg> ScottK: the ones I asked for are not on images
[17:37] <micahg> skaet_: will do, thanks, I'll update the bugs asking for the FFe
[17:37] <ScottK> If they're in Universe, the freeze doesn't apply.
[17:37] <ScottK> (may still need FFe)
[17:37] <micahg> ScottK: they're in universe, but I was asking for FFe :)
[17:38] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  I thought it was about the Alpha 3 freeze.  Nevermind.
[17:38]  * micahg thought that was Tuesday
[17:39] <micahg> skaet_: can I just subscribe ubuntu-release or do you want an individual subscription?
[17:42] <skaet_> individual please,  not sure its of general interest.
[17:42] <micahg> skaet_: ok, thanks!
[17:42] <skaet_> thanks micahg!  :)
[17:44] <jdstrand> skaet_: so, when is the FF now?
[17:44] <jdstrand> skaet_: the time that is. 15 mintues or 23:00 UTC?
[17:44] <skaet_> jdstrand,  I'll be sending out the announce of FF in about 15 minutes.
[17:45] <jdstrand> skaet_: ack
[17:45] <skaet_> 2300 UTC is for alpha 3 soft freeze on monday.  :)
[18:17] <ogra> phew, monday ?
[18:18]  * ogra hasnt had working images since two weeks
[18:18] <ogra> thanks to nux being broken on armel and upstream not reacting to patches
[18:19]  * ogra senses some weekend and nightshifts after returning from cambridge tomorrow
[18:21] <cjwatson> ogra: my Cambridge?
[18:22] <ogra> cjwatson, heh, yeah
[18:22] <ogra> its lovely !
[18:22] <cjwatson> ogra: if you're free this evening, I'm going to be in the Salisbury Arms later
[18:22]  * ogra is sitting in the arm headquaters, between kinnison and wookey
[18:22] <cjwatson> they'll probably know where it is, it's near the rail station
[18:23] <cjwatson> oh man, the emdebian sprint, I completely forgot about that
[18:23] <ogra> yeah
[18:24]  * iulian is probably going to Cambridge on Saturday.
[18:34] <iulian> skaet_: There's no motu-release anymore.
[18:34] <skaet_> iulian,  thanks.  didn't know.   Any replacement?
[18:35] <iulian> Just ubuntu-release.
[18:42] <ScottK> The teams were merged.
[18:43] <skaet_> micahg,  on the bug,  can you please subscribe ubuntu-release.   That's the better thing to do.
[18:44] <iulian> Indeed.


[04:49] <CrazyTux[m]> Hey guys -- it seems whenever I install OpenSSH_7.1p1 over the normal ubuntu 14.04 LTS packaged SSHD upstart fails and hangs.
[04:49] <CrazyTux[m]> Any thoughts/ideas?
[12:30] <McErroneous> "Upstart provides the same facilities as the traditional "init" system, but surpasses it in many ways. " In my view it makes things more complicated to end-users , like myself... . i am struggeling with upstart.


[00:12] <veebers> elopio: is there anything I can do to help out with the touch events? I find myself idle while waiting for tests etc.
[03:34] <elopio> veebers: sorry, I went to the gym.
[03:34] <elopio> maybe you can help me figuring out how to get an old version of all the packages that are installed with autopilot.
[03:34] <elopio> or maybe, it would be easier to replicate everything autopilot does with python-evdev, and then we reduce the problem to that package and the libs it calls.
[03:39] <veebers> elopio: that was going to be my suggestion, remove autopilot and replicate using the bare libraries.
[03:40] <veebers> That way we remove any question that it's autopilot specific, also might help outline if we're doing something incorrect
[03:41] <elopio> yes, that sounds better. I will give it a try.
[03:45] <veebers> sounds good, let me know how it goes. Sorry I can't follow along at home, I don't have the right hardware
[03:50] <elopio> veebers: no worry.  Or can I be confident that it'll get picked up by the team
[05:24] <elopio> veebers: the team is right. If you don't get a review soon, ping renato.
[05:25] <veebers> coolio, thanks again el
[05:25] <veebers> :-P tab completion fail
[10:12] <jibel> pitti, is there any way to know to what ${misc:Depends} will expand to? I've problems to autodiscover some dkms packages that only have this line in the Depends field
[10:13] <pitti> jibel: not precisely, but it shouldn't be related -- it's usually stuff like versioned dpkg
[10:13] <pitti> jibel: we might need to hardcode some packages?
[10:14] <jibel> pitti, OK, I'll do that.
[10:19] <jibel> actually almost all the dkms package names end with -dkms excepted proprietary drivers which have dkms in their Depends field. It should be relatively accurate to rely on Depends and fallback to the name.
[14:11] <brendand_> elopio, sure we can pair
[14:11] <brendand_> elopio, the test seems pretty simple though
[14:11] <elopio> :) brendand_: tell me when you are writting the code, and I will just look over your shoulder.
[14:15] <elopio> sjcazzol: you need an account in https://trello.com. Make sure to sign with your canonical email.
[14:16] <sjcazzol> elopio: ok, I'll do, thanks
[14:23] <elopio> sjcazzol: want to start writting some code now?
[14:23] <sjcazzol> yes, just a minute please
[14:23] <sjcazzol> elopio: just a minute pleas
[14:23] <elopio> ok, let me know when you are ready.
[14:25] <sjcazzol> elopio: I am ready
[14:25] <elopio> sjcazzol: lets join the same hangout.
[14:25] <elopio> the stand up one I mean.
[15:10] <elopio> ping oSoMoN_: do you remember the version # of an arale with working autopilot tests?
[16:00] <elopio> fgimenez: have you been using tmate?
[16:02] <fgimenez> elopio, not lately, when i did it worked just fine
[16:02] <elopio> fgimenez: I will give it a try with sjcazzol
[16:04] <fgimenez> elopio, ok, it's great for pairing
[16:05] <fgimenez> elopio, sjcazzol we can try https://github.com/fgimenez/fenced-tmate tomorrow, hopefully it still works ;)
[16:05] <elopio> fgimenez: it's downloading stuff. I'll let you know how it goes.
[16:08] <sjcazzol> elopio: fgimenez: I can't download dependencies until the system update is not completed
[16:09] <elopio> sjcazzol: I'll just have to give you an ip to ssh. Nothing to install in there.
[16:10] <sjcazzol> great
[16:12] <elopio> fgimenez: the problem is that it's a 14.04 container. That's hard to set up for trunk development.
[16:14] <elopio> we can do tmate read only, which anyway it's better than screen sharing.
[16:14] <fgimenez> elopio, yes, we could try setting up a container with the 'devel' distribution, and update from there
[16:15] <elopio> sjcazzol: try this: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:15] <fgimenez> I'm leaving, good evening everyone o/
[16:16] <elopio> bye fgimenez.
[16:17] <sjcazzol> elopio: done
[16:17] <elopio> sjcazzol: can you see the ping?
[16:17] <sjcazzol> elopio: yes
[16:18] <elopio> sjcazzol: ok, lets try one last time the hangout.
[16:18] <elopio> we'll talk over google and code over tmate.
[16:46] <elopio> sjcazzol: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fixture_unset_env/
[17:21] <elopio> sjcazzol: ready for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fixture_unset_env/+merge/258906
[17:21] <elopio> you can comment and leave your vote: approve or needs fixing.
[17:47] <balloons> elopio, what's the status on those unity helpers ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~elopio/unity8/unity8.html
[17:47] <balloons> can we import them now?
[17:47] <elopio> balloons: waiting for one prerequisite branch. I can propose now the sphinx branch for you to start reviewing it.
[17:47] <elopio> well, tomorrow more likely.
[17:48] <balloons> elopio, ok.. and what package will this go into?
[17:48] <balloons> no rush, plenty of reviews for me to do atm :p
[17:48] <elopio> balloons: unity8.


[03:25] <drew212> micahg: what do we do with bug reports complaining about viruses, turn it into a question?
[03:26] <drew212> see bug 704725
[03:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 704725 in firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) "virus in my outgoing emails (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704725
[03:27] <micahg> drew212: yep
[03:30] <drew212> micahg: i also tagged bug 701217 as regresion-updates as the user was using the version installed by default on his system (3.6.10? i believe)
[03:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701217 in firefox (Ubuntu) "does not remember 'customer number' but says it has. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701217
[03:30] <drew212> but i'm unaware how to proceed
[03:31] <micahg> drew212: ok
[03:31] <drew212> i wasn't sure if marking it as a regression was correct, but i didn't think you were online (it connected me to #ubuntu rather than ubuntu-bugs first)
[03:32] <micahg> drew212: you could ask the user to downgrade to the release version and just test this one site
[03:33] <drew212> can you downgrade without compiling from source?
[03:33] <micahg> drew212: the release pocket is always available
[03:34] <drew212> micahg: how would one do that? using synaptic?
[03:34] <micahg> that could work
[03:35] <drew212> micahg: there's another way?
[03:35] <micahg> any of the package managers
[03:37] <drew212> micahg: i wouldn't know how to do that =P
[03:37] <drew212> micahg: i'm not a poweruser yet =X
[03:38] <drew212> micahg: i'm looking in synaptic right now but i cant find anything labeled 3.6.10
[03:38] <drew212> micahg: found it =)
[03:44] <drew212> micahg: seems that force version isn't working for me though =X
[03:47] <drew212> micahg: any ideas?
[04:02] <drew212> how does a user install a non-default version of a package? I cannot get it to work
[04:09] <micahg> sudo apt-get install PKG=version
[04:19] <drew212> do we still ask users to translate their bug reports into english for us?
[04:20] <micahg> drew212: convert to question or use google translate
[04:21] <micahg> drew212: there should be a canned response for the translations stuff now
[04:22] <drew212> micahg: thanks, looks like you're the only one who's alive tonight =P
[04:22] <micahg> drew212: eh, that's relative
[04:31] <drew212> micahg: does IcedTea have problems with youtube?
[04:32] <micahg> drew212: err, Youtube is Flash, IcedTea is Java
[04:33] <drew212> micahg: blah... i must be past ballmer's peak =D
[04:34] <drew212> micahg: how about gnash then?
[04:34] <micahg> drew212: maybe, natty or maverick version should work
[04:34] <drew212> micahg: lucid... 0.8.7
[04:35] <micahg> drew212: nope
[04:35]  * micahg might try to backport it
[04:37] <drew212> should i suggest installing adobe if he wants to view youtube until it gets backported?
[04:38] <micahg> drew212: yes, you can file a backport request as well if you like
[04:40] <drew212> micahg: i wouldn't know how to do that =(
[04:40] <micahg> !backports | drew212
[04:40] <ubot2> drew212: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[04:40] <drew212> micahg: i'm on that page already =P
[04:59] <micahg> drew212: er, I would've worded that youtube one a little differently
[05:26] <drew212> micahg: lol how?
[13:54]  * drew212 frowns
[13:54] <drew212> I did my 5-a-day yesterday and it doesn't show up on the statistics =(
[13:56] <yofel> drew212: it counts from 0:00 UTC until 0:00 UTC - you need to map that to your  local time to define "yesterday"
[13:57] <yofel> drew212: what's your name on launchpad?
[13:58] <yofel> mstngdrew212?
[14:01] <yofel> drew212: your last contribution was Mon Jan 17 21:51:35 UTC 2011 - and the next Wed Jan 19 03:24:11 UTC 2011 - so nothing for the 18th - but you already have the necessary count for today
[14:03] <kamusin> launchpad has not updated his records (karma) since 3 days (by the way)
[14:04] <yofel> well, that happened to me too a few times, but 5-a-day uses the mails, so it won't be affected by that
[14:05] <drew212> yofel: shoot, so i need to complete them 6 hours before midnight =P
[14:05] <drew212> if its based off of UTC
[14:06] <drew212> i completed them after 9 =P
[14:06] <drew212> i need to get them done from 6pm to 6pm
[14:07] <drew212> yofel: oh well =P, the statistics aren't what's important, the participation/experience is
[14:07] <yofel> if you're curious, here's the raw data - it's in 'unixtime,bug#' form http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/five-a-day/people/
[14:07] <yofel> lags behind a few hours though
[14:11] <trinikrono> good morning triage ninjas o/
[14:12] <yofel> hi trinikrono
[14:12] <trinikrono> :D
[14:13] <trinikrono> yofel: did you know about packaging bugs?
[14:13] <trinikrono> * do
[14:13] <yofel> not too much
[15:14] <trinikrono> hey does anyone use smplayer i want to triage a bug
[15:29] <trinikrono> please set importance on bug 606607 to low
[15:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606607 in smplayer (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "SMPlayer can't correct detect version of installed mplayer (affects: 5) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606607
[15:54] <micahg> trinikrono: that makes the package unusable
[15:54] <trinikrono> micahg: lol it still works
[15:55] <trinikrono> look at the screenshot
[15:55] <trinikrono> it still plays the files
[15:55] <micahg> trinikrono: ah, ok, from the text it sounded worse
[15:55] <trinikrono> you can try it out smplayer is nicee
[15:56] <trinikrono> can i harass you about the needs-packing yet?
[15:59] <micahg> trinikrono: done
[18:15] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all
[18:18] <trinikrono> o/
[19:09] <indus> hi
[19:09] <indus> is one daniel chen here
[19:09] <indus> or anyone really
[19:09] <trinikrono1> o/
[19:10] <indus> #577727
[19:10] <indus> hmm nothing seems to happen
[19:11] <charlie-tca> bug 577727
[19:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 577727 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 sound lag with enemy territory quake wars (affects: 23) (heat: 132)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/577727
[19:11] <indus> how do i get some dev to look at this
[19:12] <charlie-tca> reading it, I see three or four have looked at it and even given some workarounds
[19:13] <charlie-tca> I expect it is a matter of priority now. the developers are trying to get the development version to work, which is highter priority than fixing something with workarounds
[19:15] <charlie-tca> heh, caught in the netspit...
[19:20] <JackyAlcine> indus: Well, the issue isn't rooted in the game, it's PulseAudio's fault. It interacts like a web connection, so that annoying noise is result of that and its resources being taken up.
[19:23] <indus> JackyAlcine, noise? there is delay
[19:24] <indus> JackyAlcine, so i thought, since its a game from id, the only people who make top budget games for linux too some devs might look at the bug
[19:24] <charlie-tca> indus: I expect it is a matter of priority now. the developers are trying to get the development version to work, which is highter priority than fixing something with workarounds
[19:24] <JackyAlcine> ^^
[19:24] <indus> how can i get a dev's attention to this
[19:24] <indus> any tips
[19:24] <charlie-tca> ask id
[19:25] <indus> charlie-tca, they didnt break it, was working fine before
[19:25] <charlie-tca> you already have several devs looking at it. Unfortunately, they may not be able to dedicate their time to you
[19:25] <indus> charlie-tca, several devs? how can you say
[19:26] <indus> its unassigned bug
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Because I looked at the report and them
[19:26] <indus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/577727
[19:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 577727 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 sound lag with enemy territory quake wars (affects: 23) (heat: 128)" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:26] <indus>  this one?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> I read their comments throughout the report. It has not been ignored
[19:26] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:26] <indus> ok
[19:26] <charlie-tca> you put it in here before the netsplit
[19:27] <indus> which one is a dev there
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Sometimes, you just have to have some patience, I guess
[19:29] <indus> hm
[19:30] <indus> i had a problem like this , after wait for 1 year i came in this room and was redirected to ubuntu-kernel and some nice fella there solved my problem :)
[19:30] <indus> a kernel dev
[19:30] <indus> so i hoped i can get some help this time too
[19:30] <trinikrono1> charlie-tca: can you set 704745 to triaged
[19:31] <trinikrono1> its a packaging one :D
[19:31] <trinikrono1> bug 704745
[19:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 704745 in debian (and 1 other project) "[needs packaging] ftimes -- a system baselining and evidence collection tool (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704745
[19:31] <indus> basically this affects all of id games now , doom3, quake 4 enemy territory
[19:31] <trinikrono1> it has everything
[19:31] <charlie-tca> Well, here is the sound people - #ubuntu-audio-help
[19:32] <charlie-tca> trinikrono1: I do not do packaging bugs. I do not feel knowledgeable about it
[19:32] <indus> also, one more point, this affects 32 bit systems too so maybe you can change bug report to reflect it
[19:32] <trinikrono1> can you look at it at least charlie-tca
[19:32] <indus> i tried with both 32 and 64 bit
[19:32] <trinikrono1> it has everything the wiki says
[19:33] <charlie-tca> trinikrono1: If I don't know what I am looking for, it just wastes time
[19:34] <indus> charlie-tca, thanks for the audio address , i try there too
[19:34] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:35] <indus> charlie-tca, maybe the ia 32 libs package 'affects' can be changed?
[19:35] <trinikrono1> :D does that mean only micahg is going to triage needs packaging bugs?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Not without knowing what to change it to
[19:35] <indus> i dont know how you folks decide it so i leave that to you
[19:35] <charlie-tca> trinikrono1: it means I do not do them, that's all
[19:35] <charlie-tca> there are others in bugcontrol who might, but I do not do packaging bugs
[19:37] <indus> there is 4 ppl in thta room
[19:37] <indus> :D
[19:38] <indus> charlie-tca, so what you sugest , i wait for the bug to be fixed?
[19:39] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Did you ask in that room?
[19:39] <charlie-tca> those 4 people might be the most knowledgeable people anywhere when it comes to audio
[19:42] <indus_> hi
[19:44] <indus_> some problem
[19:44] <indus_> charlie-tca,
[19:44] <indus_> ya i was saying, that channel had only 4 people
 Did you ask in that room? / <charlie-tca> those 4 people might be the most knowledgeable people anywhere when it comes to audio
[19:46] <indus_> ok
[19:46] <indus_> iam there
[19:46] <indus_> too
[19:46] <indus_> Pici, i think i stated about the 4 people
[19:47] <Pici> indus_: Yes, and that is what charlie-tca said after you said that.
[19:47] <hggdh> trinikrono1: if you want to, you can propose a package for it; it will probably be needed in Debian first
[19:47] <indus_> ok
[19:47] <trinikrono1> hggdh: i put a link to the debian bug tracker already
[19:48] <indus_> iam not sure why that bug says affects ia 32 libs
[19:48] <trinikrono1> thats why i asked for it too be triaged
[19:49] <trinikrono1> it is a rfp
[19:50] <micahg> hggdh: I added stuff to the wiki a while back for needs packaging bug that if all the information is there, it can go from New to Triaged
[19:52] <hggdh> micahg: OK, will do it.
[19:53] <hggdh> micahg: thanks
[19:53] <hggdh> trinikrono: thank you also ;-)
[19:53] <indus_> if anyone could suggest how to troubleshoot that bug i will be glad
[19:53] <trinikrono> you guys are awesome
[19:53] <indus_> till someone fixes it
[19:54] <indus_> like temporary
[19:56] <charlie-tca> did you try all the workarounds suggested in it?
[19:57] <indus_> of course , those always work but they all are about removing pulseaudio
[19:58] <indus_> which i dont believe in doing at all, then no point in pulseaudio
[19:59] <indus_> pulseaudio is great , we can listen to multiple audio streams etc
[19:59] <indus_> but something happend after 10.04
[20:00] <indus_> so i look for ways to fix pulseaudio config but didnt find any
[20:00] <indus_> all users said some fix which included removing pulseaudio
[20:01] <indus_> charlie-tca, anyway thanks for looking at least, ill see for other answers
[20:01] <indus_> bye
[20:01] <rusivi> quick question to the chat (may need to redirect to ubuntu-doc) but regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingOpenOffice there are no simple instructions on what debug symbols & procedures should be used. As per Novell ( http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bugreport_OOo#How_to_get_strace_log ) strace -o /tmp/strace.log -f -tt -s 512 <program> is the way to go. May want to add to the wiki. :)
[20:02] <trinikrono> o.o
[20:02] <rusivi> I know everything is moving to libre but in the meantime...
[20:02] <trinikrono> can someone set importance to wishlist of bug 697605
[20:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 697605 in haproxy (Ubuntu) "HAProxy 1.3.23 version bump (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/697605
[20:03] <yofel> the apport retracer is responsible for the debugging symbols - or use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash if you need to retrace it yourself
[20:04] <rusivi> yofel: I've had ooo calc crash a thousand times in one day, hasn't self-apported itself once.
[20:04] <micahg> anyone have time to test something on Natty?
[20:04] <yofel> rusivi: you do have apport enabled? (it shouldn't be enabled anywhere currently)
[20:04] <yofel> by default
[20:04] <trinikrono> micahg: :D if you triage my bug
[20:04] <yofel> micahg: sure, but I'm on KDE
[20:04] <rusivi> yofel: I do not have apport enabled. How do I do that?
[20:04] <trinikrono> i mean wishlist
[20:04] <micahg> trinikrono: bug #?
[20:04] <yofel> rusivi: sudo service apport start force_start=1
[20:05] <trinikrono> 697605
[20:05] <yofel> rusivi: or set it in /etc/default/apport
[20:05] <charlie-tca>  micahg I am on xubuntu
[20:05] <micahg> bug 697605
[20:05] <trinikrono> bug 697605
[20:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 697605 in haproxy (Ubuntu) "HAProxy 1.3.23 version bump (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/697605
[20:05] <micahg> ok, my bug is bug 705039
[20:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 705039 in blam (Ubuntu) "blam won't start (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705039
[20:05] <micahg> new package here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~micahg/
[20:05] <micahg> I'm just having some issues getting stuff to work in a chroot ATM
[20:05] <rusivi> yofel: Now that I performed sudo service apport start force_start=1 will it auto-prompt me to create a bug the next time calc dies (which will be momentarily)?
[20:06] <yofel> rusivi: yes, if you want apport to stay enabled after a reboot edit /etc/default/apport though
[20:06] <rusivi> yofel: Got it. Thank you very much.
[20:07] <yofel> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555944/
[20:07] <micahg> yofel: with my package?
[20:08] <yofel> ah oops, sec
[20:09] <yofel> micahg: still crashes http://paste.ubuntu.com/555947/
[20:09] <micahg> ugh :(
[20:10] <trinikrono> wow
[20:10] <trinikrono> i like blam
[20:10] <trinikrono> i am on jaunty though
[20:10] <trinikrono> so its fine
[20:11] <Pici> You do know that jaunty reached its End of Life, right?
[20:11] <micahg> yofel: oh well :(, I guess I can dig a little more
[20:11] <micahg> yofel: thanks for testing
[20:11] <seb128> yofel, micahg: the crash seems to be due to the webkit naming update
[20:12] <seb128> it probably needs to be rebuilt using the new soname
[20:12] <trinikrono> yes Pici
[20:12] <seb128> DllNotFoundException: libwebkit-1.0.so.2
[20:12] <Pici> trinikrono: okay, just making sure :)
[20:12] <trinikrono> i now got the pc working yesterday
[20:12] <micahg> seb128: yeah, but gecko-sharp was rebuilt
[20:12] <seb128> it's libwebkitgtk
[20:12] <trinikrono> it was dead 4 months now
[20:14] <micahg> trinikrono: ok, replied to your bug
[20:15] <seb128> micahg, it might need source changes
[20:15] <seb128> not only a rebuild then
[20:15] <micahg> seb128: ok, I'm wondering if it's something in gecko-sharp or blam, I guess I'll unassign myself and take a look if I have time, thanks
[20:16] <seb128> debian/patches/fix_dllmap.dpatch:+  <dllmap dll="webkit-1.0" target="libwebkit-1.0@LIB_PREFIX@.2@LIB_SUFFIX@"/>
[20:17] <seb128> micahg, guess you need to update that one in the source
[20:17] <micahg> seb128: ok, I"ll try that, thanks
[20:17] <seb128> YW
[20:17] <seb128> yw
[20:18] <micahg> seb128: err, is that in gecko-sharp?
[20:18] <seb128> no webkit-
[20:18] <seb128> which is the source for libwebkit1.1-cil
[20:19] <seb128> which blam is using it seems
[20:19] <micahg> oops, that's what I meant :)
[20:20] <micahg> seb128: do you guys have a bzr branch for it?
[20:21] <seb128> micahg, dunno ask the cil guys, it's not in the desktop set
[20:21] <micahg> seb128: ah, ok, thanks
[20:21] <seb128> if it's not in the control guess not
[20:21] <micahg> seb128: there's a Debian one
[20:39] <micahg> yofel: I've got another update on my p.u.c page if you have time to check
[20:40] <yofel> wrong so version, here I have:
[20:40] <yofel> 3029184 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2011-01-19 17:59 /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 -> libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0.5.2
[20:41] <yofel> it looks for System.DllNotFoundException: libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.2
[20:41] <micahg> yofel: did you try the webkit-cil package?
[20:42] <yofel> that is with the new package
[20:42] <yofel> as you see it looks for libwebkitgtk now, but wrong so version
[20:42] <micahg> ah, ok
[23:44] <VarcMB> Hello, anyone here?
[23:45] <yofel> sure, if those that are here can help depends on your problem
[23:45] <VarcMB> I don't have a problem, i have a question
[23:46] <VarcMB> I have 16 years old i am from Venezuela, speak eglish, spanish and a bit of portugues and wanna help Ubuntu
[23:46] <VarcMB> I like design Software but i don't know a lot how to help Ubuntu. I wanna start in the BugSquad
[23:47] <VarcMB> But i don't know how, can you say me how?
[23:48] <yofel> then welcome! You can find the general introduction to bugs in ubuntu here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs and you can learn how to join us on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved - it also tells you how you can request a mentor
[23:49] <yofel> until then feel free to ask your questions here and if there is nobody online feel free to send a mail to the mailing list
[23:49]  * hggdh hears Portuguese?
[23:50] <VarcMB> Thanks a lot, get me  a moment please
[23:57] <VarcMB> I'm back, i don't understand one thing, "Sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct." This mean i need be greed with the code or i need send it from i don't know where


[09:55] <bdrung> dbungert, subiquity could ship the apport hook by itself, but currently apport does not support snap shipping those hooks.
[10:36] <seb128> ginggs, hey, could you give a retry to dee , gnome-keyring and udisks2 in the lunar archive rebuild?
[10:50] <ginggs> seb128: .
[10:50] <seb128> ginggs, thanks!
[12:27] <ahasenack> rbasak: do you happen to know if it's possible to git cherry-pick just a specifig file change from a commit?
[12:28] <ahasenack> specific*
[12:28] <ahasenack> like (made up) git cherry-pick <commit> -- debian/kdc.conf
[12:28] <ahasenack> (which didn't work)
[12:32] <rbasak> ahasenack: you could use -n, "git reset" everything, then "git add" just that file.
[12:32] <rbasak> Or do "git checkout <commit> -- debian/kdc.conf" and then commit that?
[12:33] <ahasenack> ah, good alternatives
[12:33] <rbasak> But yeah, I don't know of a more specific way
[12:33] <rbasak> The second way there assumes that the file hasn't changed
[12:33] <rbasak> But the first method would be a proper cherry-pick I think
[12:34] <cjwatson> Also "git apply" has --include/--exclude options, which might help
[12:34] <cjwatson> Though that only deals with the patch part, not copying the commit message
[12:34] <rbasak> Another way might be to check out <commit>, "git reset HEAD^", git add the file, and commit just that in detached HEAD mode. Then check back out where you were, and cherry-pick HEAD@{1}
[12:35] <rbasak> To copy the commit message "git commit -c <commit>" is useful
[12:35] <rbasak> This last method allows "git add -p" as well, for picking a subset of a change to a file.
[12:36] <cjwatson> Yeah, personally I tend to just cherry-pick and then amend/rebase, rather than always trying to get the commit right first time
[12:36] <ahasenack> that commit is actually a big chunk of changes, it's a git ubuntu import commit, one single commit for new usptream version and lots of other stuff
[12:36] <rbasak> I was thinking about trying to avoid having to deal with merge conflicts in other files
[12:36] <cjwatson> Good point about commit -c, I always forget that that exists
[12:37] <ahasenack> yeah, cherrypick -n doesn't work, lots of conflicts because of the other changes which I'm not interested in
[12:37] <cjwatson> (I mean git's surface area is basically fractal, so ...)
[12:51] <rbasak> bdrung: tzdata in Bionic has quite a bit of churn in debian/tzdata.templates, including the removal of Pacific-New from tzdata/Zones/US. I didn't see any removals in the later series. Do we have anything that demonstrates that this is safe? Shouldn't the choice be preserved somehow?
[13:05] <rbasak> arraybolt3: your lubuntu-meta upload to Jammy is missing bug references
[13:05] <rbasak> I'm therefore not sure how to proces it
[13:19] <rbasak> xnox: sorry, I had no intention of being sneaky. I'll leave an annotation in future.
[13:53] <bdrung> rbasak, previous SRUs forgot to regenerate debian/tzdata.templates. You could use 2022g and regenerate debian/tzdata.templates to see what previous SRUs should have included in their debdiff.
[13:54] <bdrung> rbasak, Pacific-New was added but was never used. upstream removed Pacific-New some time ago.
[14:13] <bdrung> rbasak, checked that. 2018a removed Pacific-New
[14:19] <rbasak> bdrung: yeah but I wouldn't expect removals to be followed in SRUs. If it was user-selectable, then wouldn't dropping it be a regression for users who might have selected it previously?
[14:22] <bdrung> rbasak, yes. That regression would have been happened years ago when upstream removed Pacific-New.
[14:26] <rbasak> bdrung: OK, so Pacific-New in bionic-updates today is already broken?
[14:27] <rbasak> If that's the case then there will be no SRU regression so that's fine, but I'd like to document that somewhere. Can you confirm and I'll just stick this conversation into a bug comment?
[14:28] <bdrung> rbasak, I checked the history. Even 2018d-1 did not have Pacific-New as option (the source package has an outdated tzdata.templates). So it was never selectable for bionic users.
[14:29] <bdrung> 2018d-1 was the version of the bionic release.
[14:42] <rbasak> bdrung: accepted, thanks
[16:51] <rbasak> ahasenack: are you asking for an early SRU release of bug 2000817 for Jammy?
[16:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2000817 in openldap (Ubuntu Kinetic) "Wrong SHA256-value computed on kinetic" [Undecided, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2000817
[16:52] <ahasenack> rbasak: I thought initially that it had been in jammy proposed for longer
[16:52] <ahasenack> and wanted to get that green before our housekeeping meeting from today
[16:53] <ahasenack> but now it's past the meeting, and this is not urgent. Except now it will be only monday before somebody looks at it again for a release
[16:53] <ahasenack> so yeah, would be a nice to have if it could be released today, but I don't have more arguments for it (it's not an urgent bug, and it's not blocking another openldap SRU atm)
[16:55] <rbasak> I've reviewed it now. It's ready for release in all other respects.
[16:56] <rbasak> ahasenack: how about you consider this a +1, and release it yourself given I've reviewed it - now or on Monday? Feel free to cite this conversation.
[16:56] <ahasenack> ok, thanks
[16:56] <rbasak> For both Jammy and Kinetic.
[16:57] <rbasak> Consider though that we're about to have a long weekend for some people.
[16:57] <rbasak> For dealing with any fallout. I'm out on Friday and Monday (UK public holidays).
[16:59] <ahasenack> I'm out Friday, but back on Monday
[17:27] <bdmurray> ahasenack: I'm here Friday and Monday
[17:27] <ahasenack> yes, but we don't release srus on fridays :)
[17:28] <ahasenack> monday will be fine
[17:28] <bdmurray> Okay, I didn't read everything just wanted to say I'm here to help.
[17:28] <bdmurray> enr0n: bug 2015346 looks like a hardware failure to me
[17:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2015346 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "cannot update Ubuntu to the newest version, it crashes on the 2nd pinpoint during installation" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015346
[17:28] <bdmurray> enr0n: Do you agree?
[17:35] <enr0n> bdmurray: maybe. The error message definitely isn't very helpful. Have you seen similar reports in the past that ended up being a hardware issue?
[17:50] <bdmurray> enr0n: Oh, sorry look at dmesg
[17:52] <enr0n> bdmurray: oh, yes I agree
[18:03] <kanashiro[m]> ginggs: could you please retry puma and ruby3.1 builds in your test rebuild PPA? I was not able to reproduce them locally
[18:19] <lvoytek> ginggs: would you also be able to retry mysql-8.0 armhf? I was able to build it successfully in a PPA
[18:43] <ginggs> kanashiro[m]: .
[18:43] <ginggs> lvoytek: .
[19:02] <kanashiro[m]> ginggs: ty!
[19:15] <NexusPrism> Quick question about submitting merge requests to Ubuntu's fork of GRUB, there is https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/grub/+git/ubuntu & https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2. I submitted a merge request to the first one but it seems like the second one is actually where you submit merge requests?
[19:16] <NexusPrism> At least based off the quantity of merge requests on the second link, but there also haven't been any MRs on it since 2019 so maybe not?
[19:44] <bdmurray> The second one is an import of the first (~ubuntu-core-dev).
[19:44] <bdmurray> So use this for an MP https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/grub/+git/ubuntu/+ref/ubuntu NexusPrism
[19:45] <bdmurray> Oh, I see you did
[19:55] <NexusPrism> Ah sweet, so I'm good then
[22:33] <arraybolt3> rbasak: My lubuntu-meta upload to Jammy was a boffo because I forgot to change the codename in the changelog before uploading. Please toss it into the abyss never to return. :D
[22:34] <arraybolt3> (I asked for it to be rejected when I first did it but I guess no one who could do so was around at the time. I've since started using dput-ng which should hopefully tell me next time I nearly do that.)
[22:37] <arraybolt3> The upload was intended for Lunar (and a fixed version of said upload was accepted into Lunar).
[22:56] <rbasak> arraybolt3: no problem. I see that Brian did it already.
[23:01] <bdmurray> Because I wouldn't expect rbasak to be around!


[01:06] <penguin42> can anyone else on raring do a dmesg|grep -i taint
[01:54] <bjsnider> penguin42, looking for non-free modules?
[01:55] <penguin42> bjsnider: No, mine is saying lock debugging is disabled due to taint, but I'm not seeing any reason for the taint
[02:12] <penguin42> that's bug 1096497
[05:09] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone else here had issues with the live cd not booting?
[05:09] <FunnyLookinHat> I've made several different images, with different USB disks to make sure it wasn't a hardware issue - and it'll freeze just as the mouse shows up
[10:25] <Emanon> Hello everyone, I saw somewhere that 13.04 may be including bonding as an option in the network manager. Is this true?
[10:51] <bekks> I hope they dont, since the practical caveats of setting up bonding cant be checked by the OS.
[10:51] <Emanon> How so?
[11:13] <bekks> You cant check "Fast Link" on Cisco Switches or LACP settings in general from the OS.  So in layman's terms, due to the lack of access to critical network resources it poses a risk of actually decreasing network performance rather than increasing it?
[11:20] <bekks> What are layman's terms?
[11:21] <bazhang> simplest explanation possible
[11:21] <bekks> It even poses the risk of shutting down the entire network, since in distinct network setups, without your network administrator, you would couse a loop and thay *may* shut down your entire network.
[11:21] <bazhang> using every day terminology
[11:22] <Emanon> An attempt to avoid sesquipedalian loquaciousness bekks.
[11:22] <bekks> Emanon: ah! :P
[11:23] <Emanon> For there is indeed a predilection by the intelligentsia to engage in the manifestation of  prolix exposition through a buzzword disposition form of communication  notwithstanding the availability of more comprehensible, punctiliously  applicable, diminutive alternatives.
[12:37] <penguin42> hmm my exaile install seems to have developed a behaviour where it hangs the first time it's run, kill it and restart and it's fine; somewhere in gstreamer
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:21] <penguin42> Hey BK
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi penguin42, ....BK doesn't highlight here , hence the delay in my reponse
[13:27] <penguin42> no problem
[13:31] <BluesKaj> installed opensuse 12.2 with KDE, on the partition that was meant fot 13.04. It's a nice fast stable distro altho the package management is a bit confusing to me .
[13:32] <BluesKaj> bbl
[15:22] <xapel> installed raring on my dell mini yesterday. Mouse pointer is stuck though. Any ideas?
[15:25] <penguin42> is everything else happy - like does capslock work?
[15:28] <xapel> keyboard does work, but I've not checked capslock specifically.
[15:28] <xapel> I can check for you. Will that help you to diagnose?
[15:29] <penguin42> no, I was just trying to understand if it was all hung
[15:29] <penguin42> so everything works except the mouse pointer? Is that on a touchpad?  What happens if you plug a USB mouse in
[15:48] <dkessel> i also have a dell mini (i have a 10, don't know about you...) i had that during install of raring yesterday... the touchpad wouldn't work. after rebooting and trying again, it did work though....
[17:30] <trijntje> I cant find the app nitro in 13.04, do apps need to be ported to each release seperately or do I need to enable some extra repository?
[17:35] <MrChrisDruif> trijntje; nitro?
[17:35]  * MrChrisDruif checks what it is.
[17:36] <penguin42> can't find it at all in packages.
[17:36] <trijntje> MrChrisDruif: it's an todo-list app
[17:36] <MrChrisDruif> trijntje; http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nitro&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[17:36] <trijntje> I know i have it installed in 12.10, so I was expecting it to be available for 13.04 as well
[17:37] <MrChrisDruif> You didn't install it through an PPA?
[17:37] <trijntje> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/nitro/
[17:38] <penguin42> that page is hopelessly confusing; it says it's free open source software, but it says license proprietary
[17:38] <MrChrisDruif> penguin42; +1
[17:40] <trijntje> The licence is BSD
[17:40] <rrva> whats a good linux hw support channel?
[17:40] <penguin42> MrChrisDruif: hth does one make a complaint/fix to one of those pages?
[17:41] <trijntje> penguin42: and I think the 'free' is the price, as in beer
[17:41] <penguin42> trijntje: It says free open source
[17:41] <trijntje> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/worldofgoo/
[17:42] <MrChrisDruif> penguin42; I don't know, I'll ask in #ubuntu-community-team channel
[17:42] <trijntje> ah, in the description of the app itself you mean
[17:42] <penguin42> yeh
[17:42] <trijntje> I'd say BSD is not proprietary, so the licensing information in the software center is wrong
[17:43] <penguin42> but then if it's bsd, why is it in there as opposed to a normal package we can see in packages?
[17:44] <trijntje> I guess because it was written as an 'app' for ubuntu, so it is in the 'app' categorie which is not like normal FOSS software
[17:58] <mechanism> hello, tried to install raring(mac version) on mackbook pro, and when proceeding to installation, firs screen is language - is okay, I'm selected english, then select options like install mp3 codecs and video drivers selected to install click, next and it's show me forever loading cursor and nothing more and still window with proprietary drivers selector. tried to unselect after reboot, but still the same - it's stopping on same screen. what sh
[17:59] <MrChrisDruif> trijntje; "<mhall119> it's possible it was submitted to the software center under a proprietary license so they could use the consumer-apps review process rather than the ARB review process"
[18:00] <MrChrisDruif> Where ARB is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard
[18:00] <trijntje> mechanism: I think your message is too long. It got truncated after "on same screen. what sh"
[18:01] <mechanism> installation stops always on 2nd step
[18:02] <MrChrisDruif> Which might have been a good decision, seeing the Review Process seems dead according to mhall119
[18:03] <mechanism> I'm python/django developer and ubuntu better suits my needs so I wanted to replace mac os x on my macbook pro with ubuntu but it's won't installing =(
[18:04] <MrChrisDruif> mechanism; we miss a part of your first message.
[18:06] <mechanism> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1503910/
[18:06] <mhall119> the archives have been slow today, I noticed that earlier
[18:06] <mhall119> maybe everybody is upgrading
[18:07] <mechanism> because runs on apache not on nginx hehe
[18:08] <mechanism> on apache everything is slow
[18:10] <trijntje> mechanism: raring is still in beta phase, why not install 12.10, which is the latest stable release
[18:11] <trijntje> MrChrisDruif, mhall119 thanks, that makes sense
[18:11] <trijntje> still, when will nitro be available for 13.04?
[18:11] <mhall119> trijntje: when the developer submits it for 13.04, which will be after the Extras archive opens for 13.04, which I think happens around beta time
[18:13] <mechanism> yep 12.10 installing properly, but I wanted all latest packages for development so decided to install raring. I'm always used ubuntu alphas/bets on my pc, but it's won't install on mackbook pro.
[18:15] <mechanism> I'll download next build and will try again then. might be everything will be fixed there
[18:15] <trijntje> mechanism: that could be, I know the testing team has few people who are able to test the mac images
[18:15] <trijntje> you could also try installing 12.10, and then upgrade to 13.04
[18:16] <mechanism> I can't see mac version for 12.10 =( and when it's installed there's none any video drivers
[18:17] <mechanism> when installing regular 64 bit verision there's none any video drivers available*
[18:18] <mechanism> 1 have 2 video cards intel built into processor and another one.
[18:18] <trijntje> mechanism: http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
[18:18] <mechanism> thanxx
[18:18] <MrChrisDruif> You could also install 12.10 and then upgrade to 13.10 with sudo do-release-upgrade -d if I remember correctly
[18:20] <mechanism> yes I remember how to upgrade. I did it on pc
[18:20] <mechanism> upgrade to raring command different than earlier
[18:23] <mechanism> btw gimme the link to mac testing team I'll join if possible
[18:27] <mechanism> I mean ubuntu on mac*
[22:04] <FernandoMiguel> Boas


[00:28] <bkerensa> My last patch for quantal just landed http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/system-config-printer/quantal/revision/232
[00:28] <bkerensa> =/
[00:28] <darthrobot`> Title: [~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/system-config-printer/quantal : revision 232]
[00:28] <bkerensa> so sad this cycle has to be over
[03:59] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, - how you doing?
[03:59]  * MarkDude needs to get your phone # again
[04:00] <MarkDude> Waws gonna get in touch with you- and see about you making it to a bbq
[16:28] <pleia2> space shuttle morning \o/
[18:44] <bkerensa> morning
[18:44] <bkerensa> pleia2: space shuttle?
[18:45] <pleia2> yeah
[18:45] <pleia2> at sutro! http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8009673667/in/set-72157631590020239
[18:45] <darthrobot`> Title: [IMG_6797 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[18:45] <pleia2> I didn't get any good pictures, but there are some around :)
[18:45] <pleia2> https://twitter.com/GGBridge/status/249205795898667009/photo/1 is nice
[18:45] <darthrobot`> Title: [Twitter / GGBridge: Wow, was that cool or What???? ...]
[18:46] <pleia2> it was just too far from downtown, I was on 12x digital zoom mostly
[18:49] <bkerensa> that would kind of scare me
[18:49] <bkerensa> just saying
[18:49] <bkerensa> pleia2: is that a fighter jet escorting it?
[18:50] <pleia2> I think so
[20:08] <greg-g> pleia2: it went RIGHT OVER MY HOUSE
[20:08] <greg-g> that was LOUD
[20:08] <greg-g> I didn't have my camera/phone ready so all I have is a crappy too far away shot of it leaving
[20:09] <pleia2> :D
[20:10] <greg-g> if I would have been on Bernal Hill it would have been perfect
[20:10] <greg-g> or heck, just Holly Park (not as high up, but closer to the flight plan, I think)
[20:38] <pleia2> akk: great photos!
[20:39] <akk> Thanks!
[20:40] <greg-g> wait, where?
[20:40] <akk> The flyby was super cool.
[20:40] <akk> greg-g: http://shallowsky.com/images/endeavour/
[20:40] <darthrobot`> Title: [Space shuttle Endeavour flyover]
[20:40] <akk> Cool except in the 95-degree temperature sense. :)
[20:41] <greg-g> awesome indeed
[20:41] <greg-g> where are you?
[20:42] <akk> Currently, Burbank.
[20:42] <greg-g> gotcha


[16:53] <PaulW2U> pleia2: Michael Hall published http://mhall119.com/2014/02/working-hard-in-orlando-last-day/ at 0900 this morning. For the sake of completeness can I add it to days 1 to 4 already included in #354?
[16:53] <pleia2> PaulW2U: go for it
[16:55] <PaulW2U> Thanks
[17:15] <pleia2> in spite of being shared widely, only one response to last call for contributors
[17:15] <pleia2> I need to find someone with a bigger microphone :)
[17:16] <jose> if you want, I can try with another on-air sesison
[17:17] <pleia2> we're looking for summary writers mostly
[17:17] <pleia2> not sure an on air session about that will help much, it's pretty simple :\
[17:17] <jose> I can do it on a Fri and write a couple summaries too
[17:17] <jose> yeah, problem is getting people who want to write
[17:18] <pleia2> think an on air session will drum up excitement?
[17:18] <PaulW2U> only three names on the credit list so far this week :o(
[17:18] <pleia2> trying to think of what the content of such a session would be aside from "read article, write summary, here is a link to the guildeines"
[17:19] <pleia2> anyway, off to prep for meeting, bbiab
[17:20] <jose> have fun
[20:57] <jose> pleia2: hey, should we publish the uds announcement on the fridge?
[21:10] <jose> jono: hey, can I get a text for uds announcement to put on the fridge? I think the email won't fit
[21:27] <jono> jose, I will send one over later
[21:27] <jose> thanks :)
[22:25] <pleia2> jose: "email won't fit"?
[22:29] <jose> pleia2: it's written in first person, which makes it look like a personal email instead of an announcement :)
[22:29] <pleia2> jose: that's ok, we put a citation at the end
[22:29] <jose> oh, ok
[22:30] <pleia2> I'd say we link to this one https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/community-announce/2014-February/thread.html
[23:04] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 354 for the week February 3 - 9, 2014 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue354
[23:31] <jose> pleia2: hey, I've saved a draft if you have some time to check it
[23:31]  * pleia2 has a look
[23:32] <pleia2> jose: looks good, just need to put a </cite> at the end (our script doesn't, should be fixed!)
[23:32] <jose> ok!
[23:32] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:32] <jose> I'll fix that too :)
[23:32] <pleia2> \o/
[23:35] <jose> fixed
[23:36] <pleia2> great, thanks :)
[23:36] <jose> sure :)