[12:50] <cmaloney> Yay, I'm getting Russian Spam now. :)
[12:50] <cmaloney> Thought it might have been a "press release" from a band since it was sent to the OMC account
[12:50] <cmaloney> Nope. Lose 2-4 pounds weekly.
[12:56] <brousch> By slam dancing to our music
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:28] <cmaloney> Heh, definitely.
[14:07] <cmaloney> Good morning btw
[14:08] <rick_h__> morning
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> cmaloney: stop adding Go books on goodreads.
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> Not fair, you're not supposed to get better at it
[14:21] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Heh. :)
[14:22] <cmaloney> Funny thing is I haven't read all that much
[14:23] <cmaloney> Speaking of which, if anyone wants to play more Go LMK
[14:23] <cmaloney> brousch: It's a great way to learn. Seriously.
[14:23] <cmaloney> Not sure if I'd go up against random strangers on the internet yet.
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> why do they destroy you?
[14:23] <brousch> What's a good way to learn?
[14:23] <cmaloney> Unless they're Nolan Bushell, in which case it'd be an honor to receive an asskicking on the Go board from him.
[14:24] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, if you want to learn to play go, just get in there and start losing
[14:24] <ColonelPanic001> the famous quote by some master go player is "a beginner should lose their first fifty games as quickly as possible"
[14:24] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: That would ruin my perfect record
[14:24] <cmaloney> brousch: There's also some decent Go problem apps on the Play store
[14:24] <cmaloney> Tsumego Pro is nice.
[14:24] <ColonelPanic001> brousch: I don't gamble for the same reason. I have bought exactly one scratch-off lottery thing. Paid a dollar, won $1. I win.
[14:27] <cmaloney> brousch: There's also some pretty good books out there
[14:27] <cmaloney> but I'd highly recommend getting either an app for a tablet (phone can be too small at times)
[14:28] <cmaloney> BW-Go is good for online play, GoDroid is excellent for solo play
[14:28] <jrwren> and here I thought you were talking go-lang
[14:29] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, this one pre-dates it a little bit. :)
[14:29] <brousch> I signed up for this dragon server
[14:29] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mco.prj.srv.bwdgs
[14:29] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/i0DLf1 - BW-DGS - Android Apps on Google Play
[14:30] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mco.prj.srv.bwgnugo
[14:30] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/y8hpM2 - BW-GnuGo - Android Apps on Google Play
[14:30] <mathomastech> Was freenode down for a period of time yesterday?
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> not that i know of
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> maybe your server netsplit
[14:31] <mrgoodcat> at around 18:38 yesterday mine netsplit
[14:32] <mathomastech> Hmm, ok. Never heard of that before. Interesting
[14:33] <mrgoodcat> freenode netsplits all the time
[14:33] <cmaloney> Well that was fun
[14:35] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mco.prj.app.bwgo
[14:35] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/La3htT - BW-Go - Android Apps on Google Play
[14:36] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.aifactory.go <- This one is a little strange in how it scores.
[14:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/h1Ypyc - Go - Android Apps on Google Play
[14:36] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.agrothe.go <- This one is a lot better.
[14:36] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/ivAqNH - GOdroid - Android Apps on Google Play
[14:36] <cmaloney> Though the interface isn't that pretty.
[14:37] <cmaloney> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.lrstudios.android.tsumego_workshop
[14:37] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/VoC1nm - Tsumego Pro (Go Problems) - Android Apps on Google Play
[14:37] <cmaloney> This is a bunch of Go problems.
[14:37] <brousch> I don't want problems. i want solutions!
[14:37] <cmaloney> You'll get solutions
[14:38] <cmaloney> http://shop.gogameguru.com/go-books/go-ebooks/ <- This is a decent series, though the author is very chatty in his books
[14:38] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/4DlcRc - Go eBooks - Download Go Books
[14:39] <cmaloney> self-published and in need of an editor, but otherwise quite good
[14:40] <cmaloney> And there's lots of published Go books out there. I'm finding Beginning Go is a decent second-book but not a terribly good first book
[14:41] <cmaloney> Or rather a companion book
[14:44] <cmaloney> Anywho, that's my Go talk for today.
[14:44] <cmaloney> :)
[14:44] <cmaloney> Please exit throught he gift shop
[14:56] <brousch> Is there a Go server written in Go yet?
[14:56] <cmaloney> brousch: Consider it an opportunity
[14:57] <brousch> I would name it GoGo and make jokes about whether it boots or not
[15:00] <cmaloney> Would plugins be called "gadgets"?
[15:01] <cmaloney> Then you could have GoGo gadget arms
[15:01] <brousch> oooh, that's good
[15:01] <cmaloney> I'm sure I'm not the only one to think of this. :)
[15:04] <brousch> cmaloney: On the topic of games, I think you suggested Fluxx to me a while ago. We gave it a try and enjoyed it
[15:04] <cmaloney> brousch: I'm glad. I hate that game. :)
[15:04] <cmaloney> But it works for some people.
[15:05] <brousch> heh
[15:05] <brousch> I need to work my family up to munchkin
[15:05] <brousch> This is a pretty good start
[15:06] <cmaloney> Be careful with Munchkin and younger children
[15:06] <cmaloney> some of the sets are a little more risque than others
[15:06] <brousch> I think I have plain and pirate
[15:06] <cmaloney> OK
[15:07] <cmaloney> http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=92732
[15:07] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/4waATw - Munchkin for young children - Steve Jackson Games Forums
[15:08] <brousch> Uno is his favorite game, so sabotaging people is not a problem
[15:09] <cmaloney> Hah
[15:09] <cmaloney> you might want to check out Ascension: Apprentice Edition
[15:09] <cmaloney> $10 and a decent 2 player game
[15:09] <cmaloney> Only thing that might be a little intense for him would be monsters getting cut in half.
[15:10] <cmaloney> http://www.imagekind.com/art/Dreamers-Glassart_art?IMID=ed1dad9e-efe7-4bd2-b680-1807f1eb9069
[15:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/0IG4gK - Dreamer's Glass by Eric Sabee
[15:10] <cmaloney> This is the style of the artwork
[15:10] <cmaloney> http://www.imagekind.com/art/Black-Watch-Eliteart_art?IMID=a3f30cf8-bf6c-46d6-9ea2-d4e310a4822a
[15:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/WCzBmz - Black Watch Elite by Eric Sabee
[15:11] <brousch> Yeah, we'll stick with the fluxxes for probably 2 years
[15:11] <cmaloney> kk
[15:11] <brousch> They have different "flavors" too
[15:11] <cmaloney> Yeah
[15:12] <cmaloney> Though iirc Fluxx has some PG cards in there
[15:12] <cmaloney> I think there's weed references in there.
[15:12] <cmaloney> minor references at best
[15:14] <cmaloney> There's also some "programming" games out there.
[15:14] <cmaloney> Duck Duck Go, Robot Rally
[15:14] <cmaloney> Have only played Duck Duck Go. JoDee didn't care for it.
[15:15] <brousch> I have robot turtle
[15:15] <brousch> Tried it about a year ago with poor results, so I'll wait a while and try it again
[15:17] <cmaloney> Oh, yeah, that kickstarter game
[17:25] <jrwren> StoneTable: !!!
[17:25] <jrwren> cmaloney: your email said videos were on the website, but I only see June.
[17:26] <cmaloney> One sec
[17:31] <cmaloney> http://www.mug.org/2014/07/video-july-8th-2014-meeting/
[17:31] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/8nxjEI - Video: July 8th 2014 Meeting | Michigan!/usr/group
[17:32] <StoneTable> hey jrwren :)
[17:32] <jrwren> thanks cmaloney
[17:32] <cmaloney> jrwren: np
[18:22] <greg-g> just used my old crusty bug triaging knowledge from when I was in the top 10ish of bug triagers on LP to help my boss
[18:22] <greg-g> basically, this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Any
[18:22] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/FJem22 - Bugs/FindRightPackage - Ubuntu Wiki
[18:23] <greg-g> thanks #ubuntu-bugs and bdmurray
[18:27] <cmaloney> heh
[18:39] <mrgoodcat> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=140510291304119&w=2
[18:39] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/SB6FGx - 'First release of LibreSSL portable is available.' - MARC


[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't feel in charge to unapprove swiftfox
[12:56] <asac> it should just not be filed against firefox
[12:57] <asac> can we unassign package? or maybe ask bdmurray what to do with package wishes?
[01:22] <gnomefreak> its a gecko based browser, when bugs come in who do you think they will go to? and yes i can unassign us from it i will do in monring
[01:22] <gnomefreak> asac: ^^
[01:49] <gnomefreak> IMHO we need to reject it as bugs will come to us and we didnt even package it
[08:00] <Admiral_1hicago> I was able to pull my HDD from one compy and move it to another
[08:00] <Admiral_1hicago> I swear if its broken. I'll just buy a new computer
[08:00] <Admiral_1hicago> ^-^
[09:31] <hjmf> morning
[10:18] <asac> morning
[10:36] <asac> gnomefreak: yes just reject it
[11:07] <asac> hjmf: any idea why we keep mt-confirm for mt-reject-candidates bugs?
[11:07] <asac> i am currently going through mt-confirm and have the feeling that m-reject-candidates should not be in that list :)
[11:17] <asac> @schedule
[11:17] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Jun 19:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team
[11:17] <asac> @schedule berlin
[11:17] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 20:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team
[11:18] <asac> ok fine ... we are really scheduled
[11:23] <gnomefreak> ok i think im here for a little while hour or so
[11:35] <gnomefreak> what reject it fue to mozillateam doesnt want ot have anything to do with this package? or wait for bdmurry and see if since it is a firefox clone (for most part) we think that adding it to repos is a bad idea (it will pretty much dupe every bug thats on firefox?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> )
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't know ... actually let bdmurray do the stuff, but afaik, swiftfox doesn't have its own sources
[11:35] <asac> but its just a firefox build with changed compile switches
[11:35] <gnomefreak> it doesnt?
[11:36] <asac> gnomefreak: try to find the swiftfox sources
[11:36] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought too but i never looked into it
[11:36] <asac> either its closed source
[11:36] <asac> or its just a respin with wanna-be optimizations
[11:36] <gnomefreak> k looking
[11:36] <asac> i didn't find any
[11:36] <asac> sources ... so i guess this bug is really a non-bug
[11:38] <gnomefreak> Swiftfox is a binary and settings optimized build of the Mozilla Firefox web browser
[11:42] <asac> imo swiftfox is just a hoax
[11:43] <asac> doesn't deserve its own nwame
[11:43] <asac> and almost certainly not its own package :)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> do you have bug # handy?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> its not its built using ffox source
[11:44] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/120699
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120699 in Ubuntu "[needs packaging]  swiftfox" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[11:44] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:50] <gnomefreak> its rejected
[11:50] <gnomefreak> brb need coffee
[12:02] <gnomefreak> anything you need (i should be around for another 30 minutes or so
[12:03] <gnomefreak> n)
[12:03] <gnomefreak> -n
[12:03] <asac> not atm
[12:03] <asac> :)
[12:03] <asac> i have to go out in 30 minutes as well ... i ran low on coffee and cigarettes
[12:05] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back in around 5+hours oncve i leave
[12:06] <asac> ah that is good ... maybe i finished my day today by then :)
[12:06] <asac> but i doubt
[12:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:06] <asac> anyway, I did too much computer stuff at weekend will probably go out for a beer today or tomorrow
[12:06] <gnomefreak> go for it take the day off ;)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> i only slept an hour so i may do that as well but im not employed by canoncal
[12:07] <asac> hehe ... right
[12:08] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you have such problems to sleep?
[12:08] <asac> my problem is more to get to bed ... and then hours later to get up :)
[12:09] <gnomefreak> asac: doctors cant figure it out yet
[12:09] <gnomefreak> they think its sleep apnea but they are not sure they want me to take a sleep study but i havent gotten there yet
[12:10] <asac> but isn't apnea that you always fail asleep ... not that you can't sleep?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> cant fall asleep
[12:11] <asac> have you tried drugs?
[12:11] <asac> like ....
[12:11] <asac> pot?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> the other one starts with a n but i cant remeber it
[12:11] <gnomefreak> asac: i have 4 sleeping pills as it is
[12:12] <asac> thats hard
[12:12] <asac> is it that your brain is twisting ... thinking stuff all the time
[12:12] <asac> or just no sleep?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: that is most nights yeah but like last night i didnt think just couldnt fall asleep to save my life
 hjmf: any idea why we keep mt-confirm for mt-reject-candidates bugs?
[12:14] <hjmf> asac: the idea was to review the mt-confirm bugs to reject them later
[12:14] <hjmf> or not
[12:14] <asac> ah ... right
[12:14] <asac> :)
[12:14] <asac> good
[12:14] <hjmf> :)
[12:15] <asac> i thought that you already closed bugs that didn't receive any duplicate for some time
 reject as many as you can
[12:15] <asac> didn't you`
[12:15] <asac> hjmf: ?
[12:15] <asac> its ok .. its just that i probably got confused about it
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: when is next CC meeting?
[12:16] <hjmf> asac: they got tagged automatically, and when I got time I rejetct them or ask politely if it is still an issue
[12:16] <gnomefreak> no date set. and seveas is out for a month or more so we are not sure yet
[12:16] <hjmf> so they might be still open for some time
[12:16] <asac> hjmf: ah ok ... so if i see a question from you i will keep them open :)
[12:17] <hjmf> yes, I'll reject them in a week
[12:17] <hjmf> if there's no answer
[12:17] <asac> ok ... i guess i will wait with mt-confirm processing one more week then :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> asac: i will ask one of the CC guys about next meeting (they might be waiting for seveas to come back
[12:19] <hjmf> asac: there is no way to search for mt-confirm NOT mt-reject-candidate? maybe through bug numbers?
[12:19] <hjmf> *bugnumbers
[12:19] <hjmf> not sure if that is implemented
[12:20] <asac> hjmf: want to add yourself? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[12:20] <asac> or are you already member?
[12:20] <asac> hjmf: only through bughelper i guess
[12:20] <hjmf> asac: I'm not a member, looking
[12:21] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: can you add such a rule?
[12:22] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: mt-confirm is in TAGS && mt-reject-canditate is not in TAGS
[12:22] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: ?
[12:22] <asac> hjmf: you should definitly become a member
[12:23] <asac> hjmf: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[12:25] <Fjodor> gnomefreak, asac: Sleep apnea is when you stop breathing during your sleep, causing you to almost wakeup, thus preventing deep sleep. Symptoms are extreme tiredness. gnomefreak: I think the other one you think of is narcolepsia, causing you to fall asleep suddenly and with almost no warning during the day. I don't really think either fits what asac is describing
[12:25] <asac> Fjodor: what did i describe ... i have no problems with sleep :)
[12:26] <Fjodor> asac: Oh, sorry. I got you two mixed up :-$
[12:26] <asac> hehe no problem
[12:27] <Fjodor> But still, they don't really fit what _gnomefreak_ described
[12:28] <asac> yeah ... its wierd
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Fjodor: im just going on what drs tell me
[12:29] <Fjodor> However, insomnia is a common trait for all sorts of psychological anomalies. Not saying that you are nuts, though. Common stress springs to mind as plausible
[12:30] <gnomefreak> either way they dont know what it is and last time i tried the sleep study i didnt stay long due to something happening :(
[12:30] <hjmf> asac: seems there is no date yet for the next cc meeting, is it?
[12:30] <Fjodor> Depends, though. Are you normally "clear in the head" when you can't sleep, or are you almost, just not quite, sleeping?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> hjmf: no
[12:30] <asac> hjmf: yes i have no idea .... i ask dholbach
[12:30] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i will ping one of the members of the CC about it when i get a minute
[12:31] <hjmf> gnomefreak: ty
[12:31] <gnomefreak> the person that sets the meetings up (CC secratery) is gone for atleast a month
[12:31] <hjmf> I would apply for membership, but before I need to be sure to be able to attend the meeting
[12:32] <hjmf> ah
[12:32] <gnomefreak> hjmf: put you name there anyway
[12:32] <hjmf> would you sponsor me :)))
[12:32] <hjmf> ?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:32] <asac> apparently not yet known
[12:32] <gnomefreak> im behind you 200%
[12:32] <hjmf> ty :)
[12:32] <asac> hjmf: go
[12:32] <asac> add your name
[12:32] <hjmf> OK
[12:33] <Fjodor> gnomefreak: At any rate, I'll leave the subject. Just hope you get to sleep normally sometime :-)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i will when i get home today
[12:33] <asac> hjmf: if you get to know that you cannot attend remove your name
[12:34] <hjmf> asac: Ok, then I'll append my name to that list, lets see
[12:34] <gnomefreak> shoot
[12:34] <gnomefreak> elmo and who
[12:36] <gnomefreak> omfg who is it :(
[12:36] <asac> who is what?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> elmo mako and mark are the 3 orig memberse
[12:37] <gnomefreak> -e
[12:37] <gnomefreak> elmo almost never around, mako and mark pretty much same
[12:38] <gnomefreak> those would be the ones to ask'
[12:38] <gnomefreak> hjmf: congrats on your membership ;)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you wont have a problem getting it
[12:39] <gnomefreak> your bug work alone will more than likely be all you need
[12:40] <asac> hjmf: yeah gnomefreak is right .... do you see what is going on in bts
[12:41] <asac> all cores are removed if bugs are rejected/resolved
[12:41] <asac> ... or from all duplicates
[12:41] <asac> ... so await lots of bug-spam on gtk_style_realize
[12:41] <hjmf> asac gnomefreak ty
[12:41] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:41] <hjmf> asac: noticed the bug spam
[12:41] <asac> ...since all duplicates get at least one mail now :)
[12:41] <asac> which goes to main bug as well ... reasonably :)
[12:42] <asac> lets see how many jump off from subscription list after this flood :)
[12:43] <hjmf> asac: I also noticed that gutsy are autotagged for retrace
[12:43] <hjmf> *gutsy bugs
[12:43] <hjmf> though none of which I've seen seem to have a crash attached
[12:44] <hjmf> e.g. bug 120634
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120634 in firefox "[GUTSY]  firefox crashed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120634
[12:44] <asac> really?
[12:44] <hjmf> dunnot it that crash was removed, but it doesn't have the stacktrace, nor the coredump
[12:44] <asac> wierd ... maybe reporter aborted upload?
[12:44] <hjmf> other example I found this morning from gnash
[12:45] <hjmf> bug 120916
[12:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120916 in gnash "gnash crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120916
[12:46] <asac> hmmm ... lets wait a few more ... then ping pitte
[12:46] <asac> pitt
[12:46] <asac> t
[12:46] <asac> pitti
[12:46] <asac> :-D
[12:46] <hjmf> yep I was thinking the same
[12:46] <asac> hjmf: afaik there is some work going on to make coredumps
[12:46] <asac> private
[12:46] <asac> so people don't expose their credit cards et al
[12:47] <asac> i am not sure if this is the case here
[12:47] <asac> afaik there will be team based access-control
[12:47] <hjmf> asac: yes I read the specification some time ago, but I expected to see the retraces directly when the bug gets public w/o the coredump
[12:47] <hjmf> probably it is not yet implemented, I thought it would take some more time
[12:48] <asac> hjmf: afaik the retraces are subject to review before pushing them to public as well
[12:48] <hjmf> ah
[12:48] <asac> e.g. soem team member has to review if there is some  sensible info visible ... if not open
[12:48] <asac> hjmf: at least its actively worked on atm ... as you see progress in deleting coredumps :)
[12:48] <hjmf> yes you are right :)
[12:49] <asac> lets give them a few days
[12:49] <asac> to sort things out
[12:49] <hjmf> I'm anxious! :-P
[12:50] <gnomefreak> im getting crash reports sort of nautilus crashed yesterday and there was a report in my home dir
[12:50] <hjmf> Im waiting for a bunch of reports from gutsy
[12:50] <asac> in your home dir?
[12:50] <asac> hjmf: yes ... me too
[12:51] <gnomefreak> asac: yep
[12:51] <asac> but its not yet turned on afaik
[12:51] <asac> afaik the idea is: as long as privacy issues are not resolved, don't turn it on
[12:51] <asac> at lesat thats what was said at last weeks development team meeting
[12:51] <gnomefreak> it was giving me an empty file named core (in whatever dir you are cd'ed into when running from terminal)
[12:52] <hjmf> which are the requisites to access private bugs?
[12:52] <asac> you are cced
[12:52] <asac> afaik
[12:52] <hjmf> ah
[12:52] <asac> or assignee
[12:52] <asac> i have no idea
[12:52] <hjmf> ah ok :)
[12:52] <asac> i have just seen one private bug so far that is kind of support request
[12:53] <asac> ... from a canonical customer
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ok bbl shower time so i can get going long drive :(
[12:53] <asac> but that is a bug that is not even specific ;)
[12:53] <asac> hjmf: the idea is to allow the right teams to see the bugs
[12:54] <gnomefreak> btw firefox-trunk has been updated and fixed in preview (if anyone noticed it was borked. and gnash is done
[12:54] <asac> gnomefreak: gnash is done? ... didn't i pushed it over to my archive yesterday already?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> asac: did you grab the 386 binaries?
[12:55] <asac> afaik yes
[12:55] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:55] <gnomefreak> than scratch that gnash one
[12:55] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/gnash-feisty/
[12:55] <gnomefreak> trunk still fixed ;)
[12:55] <asac> ok
[12:55] <asac> ;)
[12:55] <asac> fine
[12:55] <gnomefreak> ok im out
[12:55] <hjmf> asac: lets wait we are the first group allowed to see mozilla bugs :-P
[12:55] <hjmf> asac: gnomefreak I'm off for a while, see you
[12:55] <asac> hjmf: ok
[12:55] <gnomefreak> me too
[12:55] <asac> hjmf: cu
[12:56] <gnomefreak> cu you
[12:56] <asac> i am out for lunch now
[12:56] <asac> need to get coffee (prio 1 task)
[01:42] <asac> k coffee ... cigarettes ... all here
[01:42] <asac> me as well of course :)
[01:42] <DarkMageZ> anyone notice apport doing a cleanup?
[01:48] <asac> yeah ... coredumps get removed from issues that are resolved somehow
[04:35] <asac> i hate changelog syntax errors
[04:36] <asac> ok found :)
[05:14] <asac> bluekuja: you want to adopt libagg in debian?
[06:17] <hjmf> hmm, again no backtrace, no coredump: bug 121007
[06:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121007 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121007
[06:19] <hjmf> same on bug 121014
[06:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121014 in firefox "firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121014
[06:19] <asac> hjmf: i will talk to pitti tomorrow
[06:20] <asac> i guess all new crashes are hidden atm
[06:20] <hjmf> asac: I guess that too, I'll look for what apport-crash tag means
[06:20] <asac> probably means that apport runners should look in to hidden archive to get the crash dump
[06:21] <asac> and try auto-dupe merge ... etc .... no idea
[06:21] <asac> if you find out, let me know :)
[06:21] <hjmf> ok
[06:27] <hjmf> asac: not that exact tag, but this is the specification:
[06:27] <hjmf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting
[06:27] <hjmf> 1. Create Launchpad users which control access to the bug, split by main/restricted and universe/multiverse.
[06:27] <hjmf> 2. Apport files bugs as private/nonsecurity by default, with only the crash reprocessing bot subscribed (Launchpad user apport, the "Apport retracing service").
[06:27] <hjmf> 3. The retracing bot generates the symbolic stack traces, handles duplicates (see [UbuntuSpec] apport-crash-duplicates), and removes the core dump attachment. Then it subscribes the relevant team to the bug.
[06:27] <hjmf> 4. The triaging teams regularly inspect crash reports (preferably prioritized by number of duplicates). After verifying that a stack trace does not contain sensitive information, they can set the bug to "public".
[06:28] <hjmf> I guess the system is working but we cannot see it !?
[06:29] <hjmf> or the retraces aren't working right
[06:30] <asac> he?
[06:30] <asac> hjmf: i will figure out ... since i am in core dev i should be able to see those bugs (if any exist already)
[06:31] <asac> hjmf: ping me tomorrow about this ... we have to find a way to involve people from mozillateam in trace evaluation
[06:31] <asac> lets see
[06:31] <hjmf> asac: ok. I'll be patient then, I wont triage those ones until we know something :)
[06:31] <asac> actually i have no idea how to search for those crash reports
[06:32] <asac> hjmf: there are no bugs cced to core-dev
[06:32] <asac> atm
[06:32] <asac> so maybe this has even been moved to a different team or bugs are just not yet CCed to teams
[06:32] <asac> (or bugs are not yet created :))
[06:33] <asac> i guess the latter
[06:36] <bluekuja> heya asac!
[06:36] <bluekuja> just went home from work
[06:36] <bluekuja> :)
[06:37] <asac> bluekuja: heya
[06:37] <asac> i will went out soon out from my home/work to the streets of hamburg :)
[06:37] <bluekuja> asac: :D
[06:37] <bluekuja> asac: talk me about libagg please :)
[06:37] <bluekuja> looks interesting
[06:37] <asac> bluekuja: currently maintainer by ooo team
[06:38] <asac> bluekuja: but according to baby they will drop it
[06:38] <asac> bluekuja: she told me that she will adopt it
[06:38] <asac> bluekuja: but honestly, i don't feel good about her maintaining a library
[06:38] <asac> bluekuja: so i am looking for someone with technical potential to package a library properly :)
[06:38] <asac> e.g. we will need this for gnash soon
[06:39] <bluekuja> asac: sounds good, does it need an update?
[06:39] <bluekuja> e.g new release
[06:39] <asac> (unless we use opengl for gutsy)
[06:39] <asac> bluekuja: i think so ... 2.4 is in ... 2.5 is out
[06:39] <asac> :)
[06:39] <bluekuja> great! :)
[06:39] <asac> bluekuja: please do not yet start ... i will talk to debian openoffice maintainers first
[06:39] <asac> just wanted to know if you would be willing to adopt
[06:40] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, it's ok for me. Now I finish work at 5 o'clock, after I will be free for it
[06:40] <bluekuja> so ok
[06:40] <bluekuja> :)
[06:40] <bluekuja> asac: keep me updated :)
[06:41] <asac> will
[06:43] <bluekuja> sounds great :)
[06:45] <bluekuja> asac: btw  who is baby?
[06:46] <bluekuja> asac: ctorrent in testing
[06:46] <bluekuja> :)
[06:48] <asac> bluekuja: baby is debian gnash maintainer
[06:49] <asac> bluekuja: congrats
[06:49] <bluekuja> asac: :)
[06:49] <bluekuja> asac: verlihub will be a great package
[06:49] <bluekuja> a lot of ppl use it
[06:49] <asac> hehe
[06:49] <asac> yeah finally maybe some bug traffic
[06:49] <asac> for you
[06:49] <bluekuja> yup :)
[06:49] <asac> how many bugs processed?
[06:50] <asac> so far?
[06:50] <bluekuja> mmm...
[06:50] <asac> 2? :)
[06:50] <bluekuja> something like 3-4
[06:50] <bluekuja> I think
[06:50] <bluekuja> :)
[06:50] <asac> we all hope :)
[06:50] <bluekuja> :)
[06:50] <bluekuja> is huge
[06:50] <asac> i even hope that they will do so for gutsy
[06:50] <bluekuja> ahha
[06:51] <bluekuja> yeah :
[06:51] <bluekuja> I want greatparadise in!
[06:51] <asac> its not yet really huge
[06:51] <asac> there where times where lots of packages were multiple month old :)
[06:51] <asac> there were
[06:51] <bluekuja> really??
[06:51] <asac> yes
[06:51] <bluekuja> for debconf ?
[06:51] <bluekuja> like this time
[06:51] <asac> no ... for no ftpmaster spare-time :)
[06:52] <bluekuja> oh :D
[06:52] <asac> and noone else with permissions ;)
[06:52] <bluekuja> how many ftp-masters are there?
[06:52] <asac> dunno at that point there were 2 :)
[06:52] <bluekuja> :D
[06:52] <bluekuja> what's the process to become ftp-masters?
[06:52] <asac> now it should be 6? no idea
[06:52] <asac> thats not documented
[06:53] <bluekuja> a DD with a lot of experience
[06:53] <bluekuja> in fact
[06:53] <asac> which actually was one of the big reasons for huge ml-wars in the past
[06:54] <bluekuja> well, ftp-masters can control all the package's traffic
[06:54] <asac> two main problems: bottleneck of ftp-master, bottleneck in security team, in release team and of course *DAM* :-D
[06:54] <asac> 4 main problems :)
[06:54] <asac> i can't tell how much energy was wasted for those discussions
[06:55] <asac> but probably 90% ;)
[06:55] <bluekuja> :D
[06:55] <bluekuja> asac: are you a DAM member?
[06:55] <asac> hehe
[06:55] <bluekuja> e.g you can process new maintainers
[06:55] <asac> no
[06:55] <bluekuja> your decision?
[06:56] <asac> i am an AM (application manager) ... i only help, test and push out a recommondation
[06:56] <asac> then there is frontdesk that quality assures my recommondation before it goes to dam state
[06:56] <bluekuja> cool
[06:56] <asac> there is 1 person reviewing things yet another time before the application gets pushed to the single person allowed to add things to keyring
[06:56] <asac> elmo
[06:56] <asac> ;)
[06:56] <bluekuja> :D
[06:57] <asac> huge bottleneck
[06:57] <bluekuja> elmo is the only one that can add a key to the debian keyring?
[06:57] <asac> but its ok ... somehow the job is done and the DAM queue is under control
[06:57] <asac> yes
[06:57] <asac> joerg (ganneff) is the second DAM
[06:57] <bluekuja> that's really nice
[06:58] <asac> but afaik he still can't add by himself
[06:58] <asac> he just gives green light and elmo trusts him to a good extend
[06:58] <asac> i don't know if this is really nice
[06:58] <asac> it just takes ages
[06:58] <asac> to go through NM
[06:59] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:59] <asac> ... but having short time contributors doesn't help much either
[06:59] <asac> so ... i am not one of those that says that this needs an immediate fix
[06:59] <bluekuja> yeah, you're right
[07:00] <bluekuja> asac: why not at debconf?
[07:01] <asac> my bad. i somehow missed the train ... but i don't think its that important :) ... though would have been nice. now i can work more on my specs :)
[07:02] <bluekuja> hehee
[07:02] <bluekuja> yeah :)
[07:02] <asac> and this weekend i don't have time anyway :) ... family calls.
[07:02] <bluekuja> :D
[07:02] <bluekuja> I'll be at the sea
[07:02] <bluekuja> ^^
[07:02] <asac> i wanted to go to mozilla developer day in paris, but didn't because of that :)
[07:03] <asac> hmmm i think we should drop xulrunner python xpcom package from ubuntu
[07:03] <bluekuja> y?
[07:04] <asac> lurked on irc that bsmedberg wants this to be maintained outside of xulrunner ... basically doesn't want to maintain the code
[07:04] <asac> i think he found out that python2.5 broke api ... and python xpcom doesn build against new python anymore
[07:05] <asac> i started to do a real fix, but then it was not just a line :)
[07:06] <bluekuja> :D
[07:06] <bluekuja> asac: do you have a minute for a merge?
[07:06] <bluekuja> :)
[07:06] <asac> simple one?
[07:07] <bluekuja> yup
[07:07] <asac> don't ask to ask ;)
[07:07] <asac> give me a link i let you know
[07:07] <bluekuja> adding the bug
[07:07] <bluekuja> :)
[07:07] <bluekuja> just a moment
[07:09] <bluekuja> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gpib/+bug/121022
[07:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121022 in gpib "Merge gpib 3.2.06-3.2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:10] <asac> -binary-predeb/php4-gpib::
[07:10] <asac> -	echo "php:Depends=phpapi-$(phpapiver)" >> debian/php4-gpib.substvars
[07:10] <asac> -
[07:10] <asac> ups
[07:10] <asac> is that needed to fullfill the task to
[07:10] <asac> Don't build a php4 module anymore
[07:10] <asac> ?
[07:10] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:10] <asac> i mean it would build without that hunk, right?
[07:11] <bluekuja> yeah, I build it now to be sure
[07:11] <asac> yeah ... drop that hunk
[07:11] <asac> its easier to reenable later
[07:11] <bluekuja> yeah, it has been dropped
[07:11] <bluekuja> now building
[07:12] <asac> yeah ... update debdiff
[07:12] <asac> where is the merge in merges.ubuntu.com
[07:12] <bluekuja> asac: http://dad.dunnewind.net/gpib/
[07:13] <asac> bluekuja: where can i see it on merges.ubuntu.com
[07:14] <asac> why is there no merge requested for that package
[07:14] <bluekuja> asac: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[07:14] <bluekuja> check gpib
[07:15] <asac> why do we need to disable that package?
[07:16] <bluekuja> which?
[07:16] <bluekuja> asac: we just need to report remaining changes
[07:16] <asac> the one that is disabled
[07:16] <bluekuja> added before
[07:16] <bluekuja> so if a developer added it, it should be kept
[07:16] <bluekuja> when merging again
[07:17] <asac> not true ... it whould be verified if its still needed to carry the difference
[07:17] <asac> the goal is to get in synch again
[07:17] <asac> so 1. find reason why it was disabled
[07:17] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:17] <bluekuja> but
[07:17] <asac> 2. check if reason still exists
[07:17] <bluekuja> debian did not add it
[07:17] <bluekuja> so we cant sync
[07:17] <asac> he?
[07:18] <bluekuja> i mean
[07:18] <bluekuja> debian didnt add anything regarding it on new changelog entry
[07:18] <bluekuja> so we assume that those changes should be kept for ubuntu
[07:19] <asac> bluekuja: point is ... when was this reviewed the last time
[07:20] <bluekuja> asac: for feisty
[07:20] <asac> if you see that change was introduced in same upstream version ... then yes
[07:20] <asac> otherwise, it should be checked
[07:20] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:20] <bluekuja> that's right
[07:21] <bluekuja> asac: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tipa/tipa_1.3-7_all.deb
[07:22] <asac> dunno what that is about :)
[07:23] <bluekuja> was trying to get build it
[07:23] <bluekuja> and one of the deps
[07:23] <bluekuja> is tipe
[07:23] <bluekuja> *tipa
[07:23] <bluekuja> I don't know why it does not get the last version
[07:24] <bluekuja> (is not specified in debian control)
[07:24] <bluekuja> sending it to build-machine
[07:24] <bluekuja> something wrong with my pbuilder
[07:24] <bluekuja> (maybe)
[07:30] <bluekuja> asac: gonna ping you with build logs
[07:31] <bluekuja> in a min
[07:34] <asac> yeah in 2 min i am out :)
[07:34] <asac> so better hurry ;)
[07:35] <bluekuja> yeah!
[07:35] <bluekuja> :)
[07:35] <asac> bluekuja: please figure out why php4 was dropped
[07:35] <asac> maybe contact the developer doing this ;)
[07:35] <bluekuja> yeah, is geser
[07:35] <asac> otherwise we cannot decide on this
[07:36] <asac> yeah .. .ask him ... just let me know ... i am out more or less
[07:36] <bluekuja> asac: you will be back later?
[07:38] <asac> maybe
[07:38] <bluekuja> asac: I take it as a "yes"
[07:38] <bluekuja> :P
[07:38] <asac> haha ... don't count on it
[07:38] <asac> i will try
[07:38] <bluekuja> sounds great! :)
[07:47] <hjmf> this one looks better despite the horrible summary; bug 121027
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121027 in gnash "gnash crashed with SIGSEGV in std::_Rb_tree<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object>, boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object>, std::_Identity<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> >, std::less<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> >, std::allocator<boost::intrusive_ptr<gnash::as_object> > >::erase()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121027
[07:47] <hjmf> it has a retrace and the coredump attached
[07:49] <hjmf> maybe the other bug reports were some kind of *short crash reports*; dunno
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: you can build a custom clue file for that
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> they are both in tags
[09:15] <bluekuja> Admiral_Chicago, he's away
[09:15] <bluekuja> :)
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks bluekuja
[09:15] <bluekuja> np :)
[09:15] <bluekuja> Admiral_Chicago, I've seen your photo
[09:15] <bluekuja> on lp
[09:16] <bluekuja> is it currently photo or younger?
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> uh, it was taken last year
[09:16] <bluekuja> cool
[09:16] <bluekuja> how old are you?
[09:16] <Admiral_Chicago> 20 now
[09:16] <bluekuja> nice
[09:16] <bluekuja> :)
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> JenFraggle: around?
[10:00] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[10:02] <gnomefreak> not as odd as it should be :(
[11:31] <asac> raise the curtain :)
[11:34] <asac> bluekuja: i am here ... while not at full conscience :)
[11:57] <asac> bluekuja: ok no problem ... i am out :) ... doing some more bug processing as a sleeping pill ;)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:12] <asac> pushed tbirds bugs down to one page aka 75 bugs :)
[12:13] <asac> firefox stillat 575
[12:14] <asac> and 1350 or something if you don't eliminate duplicates
[12:15] <Gustavo> Hi all. Why when a checkout firefox <IP_ADDRESS> and build-it, when it starts its named "Bon Echo" and not "Firefox"?
[12:15] <asac> yeah ... because its not configured to be an official
[12:15] <asac> build
[12:15] <asac> Gustavo: anyway .. this is the wrong place to ask
[12:16] <asac> unless you want to build ubuntu/debian packages :)
[12:16] <asac> go irc.mozilla.org
[12:16] <Gustavo> I'm sorry. But thanks for the help.
[12:16] <asac> or http://forums.mozillazine.org
[12:16] <asac> np
[12:16] <Gustavo> asac: Bye and thankyou
[12:16] <asac> Gustavo: but if you are
[12:16] <asac> :)
[12:16] <asac> bye
[12:16] <asac> ;)
[12:17] <gnomefreak> wtf is wrong with wiki
[12:17] <asac> slow ?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> no
[12:17] <gnomefreak> not showing up as it should
[12:17] <asac> he?
[12:17] <asac> startpage looks ok here
[12:17] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses+
[12:17] <gnomefreak> oops
[12:17] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses  scroll to bottom
[12:18] <gnomefreak> its not showing up like code
[12:18] <asac> not for me :)
[12:18] <asac> works for me
[12:18] <gnomefreak> it looks fine?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[12:18] <asac> yeah
[12:18] <asac> try to reload
[12:18] <asac> with shift
[12:18] <asac> or ctrl
[12:18] <asac> ctrl+r
[12:18] <asac> :)
[12:18] <asac> ctr+shift+r
[12:18] <asac> ctrl+shift+r
[12:18] <asac> :)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> im using ff
[12:19] <asac> trunk build?
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: did tbird have a soft landing :)
[12:20] <asac> or anyone complains on other channels that things are broken
[12:20] <asac> ;)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> its there i havent heard anything yet
[12:20] <asac> good
[12:20] <asac> should have been soft
[12:21] <asac> but who knows ;)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> it was final <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:21] <asac> yeah
[12:21] <asac> released on friday
[12:21] <asac> i subscribed to a total of 4 new mailing lists
[12:21] <asac> so i won't miss announcement next time
[12:22] <asac> they apparently don't announce final releases on security list nor security-announce anymore
[12:22] <asac> i knew that i missed something ;)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> damnit wtf
[12:22] <asac> but it was not critical ... gutsy only + i uploaded security fixes with rc1 already
[12:22] <asac> afaik there was no change from rc1 to final anyway
[12:22] <asac> other than version.txt
[12:22] <asac> ;)
[12:22] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:24] <gnomefreak> i cant get it to look right its starting to piss me off
[12:24] <asac> what?
[12:24] <asac> trun?
[12:24] <asac> trunk?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Thanks for your report. Your idea might get more attention and have the possibility of being implemented if you submit a specification for it. First check whether the idea is already registered <[WWW]  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs>, and if so, contact the specification's drafter about your ideas. Otherwise, you can start writing a spec yourself. <[WWW]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications>
[12:24] <gnomefreak> that part looks right to you?
[12:24] <asac> why not?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> no firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:24] <gnomefreak> [[[Thanks for your report. Your idea might get more attention and have the possibility of being implemented if you submit a specification for it. First check whether the idea is already registered <[WWW]  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs>, and if so, contact the specification's drafter about your ideas. Otherwise, you can start writing a spec yourself. <[WWW]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications> ] ] ]
[12:24] <asac> everything on wiki looks good for me in ffox <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:25] <asac> in feisty though
[12:25] <gnomefreak> thats how im seeing it
[12:25] <asac> give me the link again please
[12:25] <gnomefreak> with the brakets
[12:25] <asac> have it
[12:25] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[12:25] <asac> thats in deed broken
[12:25] <asac> but its most likely a syntax error in wiki text
[12:26] <asac> it should be
[12:26] <gnomefreak> so its not me
[12:26] <asac> {{{ .... }}}
[12:26] <asac> no
[12:26] <gnomefreak> k
[12:26] <asac> its wrong wiki formatting
[12:26] <asac> wanna change?
[12:26] <asac> just replace [[[ -> {{{ and ] ] ]  -> }}}
[12:26] <gnomefreak> yeah i noticed that now
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:27] <gnomefreak> small font here in firefox
[12:27] <asac> actually i am not happy with only those kind of feature request template
[12:27] <asac> we shouldn't post that if its a feature request for upstream


[17:57] <kyleN> ev, hi. what kernel arg or preseed to I need to defined the root file system in a casper env? ubiquity fails part way through. I get "No root file system defined" yet df in tty6 has / mounted as device /cow
[17:58] <ev> kyleN: that's a misconfiguration in your preseeding of partman-auto
[17:58] <ev> it means you haven't specified a partition for /
[17:58] <ev> which will always fail
[17:59] <kyleN> looking...
[17:59] <kyleN> ev: which debconf token should I preseed with to get a partitoin for /?
[18:01] <ev> kyleN: see this section of the install guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html#preseed-partman
[18:01] <kyleN> ev thx
[18:01] <ev> sure thing
[18:02] <jibel> ev, where can I find Precise build of wubi.exe ?
[18:02] <ev> jibel: I haven't made one yet
[18:02] <ev> will do tomorrow
[18:04] <jibel> ev, ok thanks. that will save me some testing tonight. Good night then o/
[18:04] <ev> :)
[18:04] <ev> good night to you as well


[04:05] <dclane> Hi release team. I've just prepared a security update for libapr1; I'm wondering if you'd like me to hold off pushing it to the jammy security pocket, or if I'm ok to do that. Please let me know if/what extra information you might need.
[04:26] <nishit> Hi team, let me know if it is ok for me to push mariadb-10.6 updates to jammy, bug ref: https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006882
[04:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2006882 in mariadb-10.6 (Ubuntu) "MDEV-29988 affects MariaDB in Ubuntu" [Undecided, New]
[10:11] <sil2100> eeek
[10:11] <sil2100> Some recent changes broke source builds on cdimage, investigating
[10:12] <sil2100> I guess the edubuntu ones
[15:35] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Did Steve and I break something?
[16:38] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: just a minor missed thing in etc/config in cdimage, actually was broken already by the unity addition - nothing too relevant though!
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: *whew*
[16:39] <Eickmeyer> Still waiting for livecd-rootfs to migrate which is broken by a false regression in amd64 which reminds me...
[16:39] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: It's doing it again.
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-release: I know we haven't hit feature freeze yet, but unfortunately, due to some health issues on my team, we have one package I had to preemptively file an FFe for since he can't even get close on it: bug 2008025
[21:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2008025 in studio-controls (Ubuntu) "[FFe] studio-controls updates in lunar" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008025


[01:04] <sarnold> hello, BabyGodzillaIV just sent an on-join notice to #ubuntu-server -- maybe someone could keep an eye on him for a bit please? :)
[01:15] <jose> sarnold: you better report in #ubuntu-ops :)
[01:16] <sarnold> jose: ah, thanks, I wondered what relationship there was between the channels last time -ops seemed asleep for ever..
[01:17] <sarnold> jose: thanks :)
[16:23] <deshack> hi there
[20:00] <jose> AlanBell: ping
[23:27] <Unit193> Oh, there was an ops meeting scheduled for today, how did that go?  Did it go?
[23:28] <IdleOne> it came and went
[23:28] <IdleOne> nobody saw it happen
[23:30] <Unit193> Alrighty-o.


[12:12] <Nafallo> cjwatson, wgrant: what's the best way of using Ubuntu Core for an organisation. create a dummy user and add everyone's keys, or is there a way of registering an SSO account to a group with members? :-)
[12:13] <cjwatson> Nafallo: Best ask on #snappy
[12:13] <cjwatson> Nafallo: Or forum.snapcraft.io
[12:15] <Nafallo> alright. cheers :-)


[05:49] <didrocks> good morning
[05:52] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[05:55] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:58] <seb128> goood morning desktopers! I think I forgot to say hey on IRC earlier?
[08:23] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:30] <seb128> duflu, hey, how are you?
[08:30] <duflu> seb128, not bad. How are you?
[08:31] <seb128> I'm alright thanks!
[08:32] <lissyx> I'm stuck trying to build firefox snap on arm64 ...
[08:32] <lissyx> "launch failed: Unable to find an image matching "core20". Please use `multipass find` for supported remotes and images."
[08:33] <lissyx> "multipass find" does not help that much ...
[08:33] <lissyx> https://paste.debian.net/1256758/
[08:38] <bittin> morning desktoppers
[08:42] <lissyx> on my amd64 build machine "multipass find core20" does not find anything either ...
[08:58] <seb128> lissyx, what are you trying to do? get a snap core20 env?
[08:58] <jamesh> lissyx: IIRC, snapcraft uses special multipass VM images rather than the default ones. Perhaps they weren't built for arm64?
[08:58] <lissyx> seb128, build on arm64
[08:58] <lissyx> jamesh, yes well, maybe, but since there's no doc, and no explanation of what to do, I have no idea how to check ...
[08:59] <jamesh> lissyx: it's possible you'll have more luck using "snapcraft --use-lxd"
[08:59] <seb128> lissyx, multipass find snapcraft:core20
[08:59] <lissyx> seb128, yes, it is not there
[08:59] <seb128> on amd64 it is
[08:59] <seb128> at least for me
[09:00] <lissyx> which is what the first error message already said, but as you can notice, the error only mentions "core20" and not "snapcraft:core20" which is already confusing
[09:00] <lissyx> yes, on amd64 it is as well
[09:00] <jamesh> which uses default LXD images rather than special Snapcraft ones.
[09:00] <lissyx> "multipass find" does not yield more info about where those images are coming from
[09:01] <seb128> right, multipass could do better there. But what James said, try with --use-lxd maybe (and why is that mode still not the default?)
[09:02] <seb128> https://github.com/canonical/multipass/pull/2395 also
[09:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 2395 in canonical/multipass "[custom] add `core20` on LXD" [Open]
[09:02] <jamesh> seb128: It is the default if your snapcraft.yaml says "base: core22", but isn't otherwise...
[09:03] <lissyx> jamesh, seb128, lxd fails with some permissions errors ...
[09:03] <jamesh> since there's effectively two Snapcrafts for now, selected based on the base version.
[09:03] <seb128> jamesh, I see
[09:04] <jamesh> lissyx: if you've just installed lxd, you'll need to add yourself to the lxd group (creating it if it doesn't exist). You'd need to log out and in again for your processes to have that group membership though (or use sg or newgrp)
[09:05] <lissyx> jamesh, and yet snapcraft suggested to set it up for me ...
[09:05] <lissyx> so it's a snap
[09:06] <jamesh> lissyx: lxd is shipped as a snap, yes. But even if it was shipped as a .deb, it likely wouldn't go adding users to a new group.
[09:06] <jamesh> the group membership is used to control access to the lxd control socket.
[09:07] <lissyx> yes ...
[09:07] <jamesh> lissyx: and I agree that this is more painful than it should be.
[09:08] <lissyx> An error occurred with the instance when trying to launch with 'LXD': Failed creating instance record: Failed initialising instance: Invalid devices: Failed detecting root disk device: No root device could be found.
[09:08] <lissyx> Ensure that 'LXD' is setup correctly and try again.
[09:09] <jamesh> lissyx: you need the "sudo lxd init" bit from https://snapcraft.io/docs/build-on-lxd
[09:11] <lissyx> finally  maybe it is working?
[09:11] <lissyx> that's still super inconvenient instead of cross-compiling ...
[09:18] <lissyx> seb128, ok so on another front, I have a patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1785278
[09:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1785278 in Core "AutoConfig in snap" [S3, Reopened]
[09:18] <lissyx> seb128, that would require to allow /etc/firefox, not just /etc/firefox/policies
[09:18] <lissyx> but I think with mkaply we are open to the path to allow there?
[09:27] <jamesh> lissyx: it'd need an update to the etc-firefox-policies plug in the snapcraft.yaml, and a change to the snap-declaration on the store to let the updated plug autoconnect
[09:28] <seb128> what James said
[09:29] <seb128> lissyx, also I mentioned the core image missing to one of the multipass maintainers, it's tracked in https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/2776 now
[09:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Issue 2776 in canonical/multipass "Support Ubuntu Core 20 and 22 images" [Open]
[09:44] <jamesh> seb128: it's not clear that bug is the same issue: that seems to be about running Ubuntu Core 20/22 in a multipass VM. But the Snapcraft VMs are classic Ubuntu
[09:45] <jamesh> i.e. snapcraft:core20 is just the classic Ubuntu 20.04 image with a few customisations.
[09:45] <seb128> jamesh, I joined mid-discussion, that was about adressing the fact that 'multipass find core20' doesn't find anything
[09:46] <seb128> but yes that seems orthogonal to what Alexandre was trying to achieve
[09:46] <jamesh> ah. But even if "multipass find core20" found something, Snapcraft would probably still give the same error message :-(
[09:56] <seb128> jamesh, right, the name overload is a bit confusing, would have been nice to have an image snapcraft-core20
[11:25] <lissyx> the build failed because of not enough disk space
[11:26] <lissyx> even though the arm64 instances has 80GB of disk ...
[11:26] <lissyx> I've lost enough time and money on that for now
[13:35] <diddledani> this is waaay above my head ("is HDR harder?" at the Xorg Developers Conference this past week)
[13:36] <diddledani> https://youtu.be/nDnbWaIMJJA
[13:36] <diddledani> ... forgot to paste the yootoobe
[14:02] <lissyx> seb128, I need your opinion
[14:03] <lissyx> seb128, for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1785278
[14:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1785278 in Core "AutoConfig in snap" [S3, Reopened]
[14:03] <lissyx> seb128, I have https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D159059 that: adds reading defaults/pref from under /etc/firefox on Snap ; can source the file pointed by general.config.filename in /etc/firefox (for now)
[14:04] <lissyx> seb128, but for the latter, that means we need to allow the snap package whole /etc/firefox ; maybe this is not something we want to do?
[14:04] <lissyx> seb128, would it be better to search for  this file under some other subdirectory we grant at snap plugs level? e.g., /etc/firefox/autoconfig
[14:06] <seb128> lissyx, I think it's fair that the firefox snap can access anything to /etc/firefox , the directly is named after the software and shouldn't contain any data that shouldn't be accessible to firefox right?
[14:06] <seb128> shrug, typos
[14:07] <seb128> lissyx, I think it's fair that the firefox snap can access anything in /etc/firefox , the directory is named after the software and shouldn't contain any data that shouldn't be accessible to firefox right?
[14:07] <lissyx> seb128, that would be my assumption, but you might want to restrict as much as possible
[14:07] <lissyx> since right now it grants specific access to /etc/firefox/policies
[14:08] <seb128> lissyx, I don't know what the directory can be used for, but I feel like that if something is in there and the snap doesn't have access then we will end having a report asking to grant access because if a file has been put in /etc/firefox that's probably because firefox needs it for something
[14:09] <seb128> so I lean torward just giving access to /etc/firefox now
[14:14] <lissyx> ok
[14:15] <ogra> you will end up in manual review anyway and the security team will review it if you change a path in a system-files interface
[14:15] <ogra> so just let them worry about it 😉
[14:17] <lissyx> ogra, it's just that whether or not /etc/firefox is fully open or more fine-grained has impacts on my patch :)
[14:18] <lissyx> and given /etc/firefox/policies current handling, I was unsure :)
[14:21] <ogra> yeah, i dont think it is a bad idea to just allow the whole dir ... but you have a saftey net due to the review in any case
[14:21] <ogra> (and dont forget to adjust the interface name, the name must match the path by policy)
[14:22] <lissyx> what interface?
[14:23] <lissyx> seb128, https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/pull/8
[14:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 8 in canonical/firefox-snap "Bug 1785278 - Allow reading from /etc/firefox" [Open]
[14:27] <ogra> lissyx, the one you changed in that commit 🙂 all good 🙂
[14:27] <lissyx> ogra, so nothing else required, right?
[14:28] <lissyx> and then autoconnect will be taken care of on snap store level
[14:28] <ogra> right ... except forum post and discussion once it goes into manual review
[14:28] <lissyx> why?
[14:29] <ogra> because it is a super privileged interface and it wont auto-connect by default either ...
[14:30] <ogra> so security team needs to take a look if/how it is dangerous to grant it ... and you surely want it to aut-connect at install time too
[14:30] <ogra> should be a no-brainer for such a change
[14:30] <ogra> but paperwork s involved
[14:31] <lissyx> I dont really care as long as I dont land the change on our side and then people want to change the directory we source autoconfig file from
[14:46] <seb128> ogra, does it require a forum post to discuss tweaking an existing permission?
[15:01] <ogra> seb128, i would hope so ... else you could just switch from /etc/firefox to /etc without anyone noticing
[15:01] <seb128> ogra, ?
[15:02] <ogra> if it does not trigger a manual review that'd be a bug in the review tools
[15:02] <seb128> ogra, I didn't say it shouldn't go to manual review and be reviewed
[15:02] <seb128> ogra, read again what I wrote
[15:02] <ogra> well, if it goes to manual the reply you get from the str is in general "please file a forum post"
[15:02] <ogra> *store
[15:03] <seb128> which makes sense for a new permission
[15:03] <ogra> you can perhaps use a short-cut and ask internally or so
[15:03] <seb128> I was just expecting that for an obvious change the reviewed would make you go through more paperwork
[15:03] <seb128> but let's see
[15:03] <ogra> yeah
[15:03] <seb128> reviewer wouldn't*
[15:03] <ogra> if you widen the permissions like above it should definitely block you
[15:08] <seb128> ogra, oh, I've no doubt it will go to manual review, I was just arguing over using the forum to do paperwork
[15:09] <ogra> well, that is where we keep the paper-trails ... perhaps you can fast-track it though ...
[15:16] <seb128> let's follow the process
[15:17] <ogra> (i dont think anyone has ever exercised a change to an existing system-files interface FWIW)
[15:19] <seb128> it's easy to post, at least gives context to the reviewer
[15:20] <seb128> on that note going to drop from IRC as I'm changing location and we still don't have a messaging system which deals with that nicely :(
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[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone awake in here?
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> gonna need a bit of help in +1
[10:05] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: hehe, seems you had a fun time in +1 :D
[10:12] <vish> hmm , i was made an OP in #ubuntu-artwork  but when i try /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-artwork list  I'm not listed there .. how do i get that corrected?
[10:13] <vish> if i ask this in #freenode they would direct me back here , hence i'm asking here ;)
[10:14] <BUGabundo_remote> vish: #ubuntu-ops
[10:14] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: well, ubuntu-artwork is no mans land :(  its not a core channel
[10:16] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh
[10:22] <topyli> #ubuntu-artwork belongs to the artwork project. it's not no-man's land
[10:22] <topyli> s/project/team/
[10:23] <vish> topyli: i meant not a core channel so off topic in -ops .. and has ubuntu- namespace so offtopic in #freenode ;)
[10:47] <jussi> vish: who "made you an op" ?
[10:47] <vish> jussi: kwwii
[10:48] <jussi> vish: then he didnt actually do it right...
[10:48] <vish> ah..
[10:48] <jussi> vish: you need to go find kwii and ask him to do it correctly.
[10:48] <jussi> :D
[10:48] <vish> ;p
[10:48] <jussi> if he wants a hand with commands adding people, tell him to drop by -ops.
[10:50] <vish> jussi: i would only imagine he would be as lost as me..  :D  will mention that.. probably i can figure it out and make it easier for him ;)
[10:51] <jussi> vish: /msg chanserv flags #ubuntu-artwork vish +votiA
[10:52] <vish> jussi:  thanks
[10:59] <marienz> dropping by #freenode for that kind of help is also fine
[15:21] <vish> hrm , we need something better next time for -release-party , the is-it-out yet.. got boring :p
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm not even going there
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> 900+ is too much
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> two cycles ago it went up to 2400
[15:24] <Pici> No, we've never had that many people in one IRC channe;.
[15:24] <Pici> l
[15:25] <vish> BUGabundo_remote: heh was there yesterday , and joined there again a few mins ago.. and its worse than a news ticker :p  lines just zoom
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm remote connected
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> so I'm not even trying to lag my link
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: I remember seeing those numbers posted in identica
[15:26] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: Maybe total between the two channels, but never at once.
[15:26] <Tm_T> BUGabundo_remote: that's reliable source for sure
[15:27] <vish> yay 901!
[15:27] <vish> oops wrong tab :/
[15:31] <vish> will the cloaks ever expire? currently i have an ubuntu cloak, was wondering if it is tied to the membership renewal
[15:32] <Tm_T> vish: it is, no membership = no cloak
[15:33] <Tm_T> and hi
[15:34] <vish> Tm_T: hi.. ah , thanks
[15:35] <BUGabundo_remote> hi Tm_T. well it was posted by ppl I know and trust, or else I wouldn't be following them
[15:35] <Tm_T> BUGabundo_remote: still, as pici said, we never had that amount of people
[15:36] <vish> i recall , we had 1000 for a very brief moment during karmic though..
[15:37] <Tm_T> very possible
[15:37] <Pici> vish: Yes, we hit a little above 1100 in #u-r-p for karmic.
[15:38] <Pici> Peak in #ubuntu was ~1800 for then as well.
[15:38] <Tm_T> we are soon over 2k in #u
[15:39] <BUGabundo_remote> ahhh maybe it was the sum of both...
[15:39] <BUGabundo_remote> I was looking at +1, but that never went very high
[15:42] <vish> hrm , nearly 2k means atleast ~1k might be looking for help :s
[15:46] <BUGabundo_remote> its calm in #you, actually
[15:46] <BUGabundo_remote> let me see party
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> okay, party is NOISY
[15:51]  * andrew hates when a population of a channel is over 30 or so
[15:59] <BUGabundo_remote> there's 70 here
[15:59] <BUGabundo_remote> and all 65 are quiet
[16:02] <ebel> hmm ubot3 on #ubuntu-ie says "YES!! it's out ..." when you ask !isitout
[16:03] <ebel> odd that
[16:03] <ebel> I wonder if it hasn't been updated since karmic...
[16:18] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[16:21] <Tm_T> ubottu: isitout
[16:21] <Tm_T> jep, outofsync
[17:23] <vish> yip... we hit 1200+ in -party!
[17:24] <m4v> is like a basket full of crickets
[17:26] <vish> .. was fun watching ikonia shooting down a few ;p
[17:39] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh
[17:39] <BUGabundo_remote> he is trigger happy :)
[17:55] <erUSUL> there should be a kickbot with a regex matching ubuntu websites mirrors etc .... in #ubuntu-release-party
[18:08] <erUSUL> none is going to kick THRHOPE4LINUX: from #ubuntu ?
[18:09] <tsimpson> we have !ops for a reason ;)
[18:11] <erUSUL> i did not want to disteact evryone in the team just give a heads up
[18:28] <BUGabundo_remote> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS released 						Inbox		X
[18:28] <BUGabundo_remote> woooot
[18:28] <erUSUL> 19:24 <@slangasek> everyone give a warm welcome to our favorite cat, the 10.04 LTS
[18:29] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[18:30] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: set +1 to moderated?
[18:30] <BUGabundo_remote> :(
[18:31] <erUSUL> BUGabundo_remote: it is now useless till the development for 10.10 opens again
[18:31] <BUGabundo_remote> I know
[18:31] <BUGabundo_remote> wanna say good bye to my buds in there :)
[18:38] <vish> woot! 1400 in -party .. is that a new record?
[18:40] <erUSUL> vish: i parted .... too much flood nosense :/
[18:40] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[18:41] <vish> erUSUL: i was just logged it to add support ;)
[18:41] <vish> s/it/in
[18:52] <erUSUL> It also comes with social notworking integration because, unlike other Linux users, Ubuntu users often have friends.
[18:52] <erUSUL> lololo
[18:52] <erUSUL> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1603562/canonical-releases-ubuntu-linux-04-lts
[19:11] <erUSUL> !minimal
[19:19] <ZykoticK9> Where to report a bug with factoids?  !final is stating Maverick instead of Lucid
[19:19] <tsimpson> lies, you LIE
[19:19] <ZykoticK9> !final
[19:19] <tsimpson> and it's already fixed, thanks
[19:46] <marienz> tsimpson: it's still telling me "If you installed a A/B/RC of Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) ... then you are already running the latest version of Maverick.", which seems a little peculiar.
[19:47] <tsimpson> !final ~= s/curDevel/curStable/
[19:47] <tsimpson> !final
[19:47] <tsimpson> there we go
[19:47] <marienz> thanks :)
[19:51] <ZykoticK9> tsimpson, thank you
[20:39] <marienz> u/40
[20:39] <marienz> bah, sorry.
[21:22] <Flare-Laptop> I've got a question about the Encyclopedia plugin for ubottu
[21:36] <jussi> Flare-Laptop: #ubuntu-bots-devel ;)


[00:00] <soldats> remove it from the users startup
[00:00] <soldats> ?
[00:08] <AzMoo> soldats: How? I can't find it anywhere.
[00:13] <AzMoo> ah hah, /etc/xdg/xfce4-session/xfce4-session.rc
[00:37] <AzMoo> Actually, taking it out of there didn't work.
[00:38] <soldats> login as user and close the panels and go to desktop preferences the check save sessions on logout
[00:38] <soldats> it should only save sessions per user
[00:40] <AzMoo> Yeah that got it, thanks.
[00:40] <soldats> cool
[00:40] <soldats> :P
[00:40] <AzMoo> Although I would like to know where that's defined. I did a grep of the home directory looking for xfce4-panel and the only thing was my bash_history and the cache
[00:42] <soldats> hmm i recall finding it many months ago but i cant remember. you could try asking in #xfce. i belive it should be in the xfce4 directory in some config files or sometingn
[00:43] <AzMoo> ok, thanks :)
[00:55] <Mannequin> hi. could anyone recommend me a good movie/video player for xubuntu with support for subtitles (.srt files)?
[01:18] <AzMoo> Mannequin: Mplayer
[01:18] <Mannequin> thanks azmoo, is it in the repositories?
[01:18] <soldats> xine and totem are pretty good IMO
[01:19] <soldats> mplayer is in the repos yes
[01:50] <stinkyj> is the PPC port gone?
[01:50] <stinkyj> or just no longer maintained
[02:56] <bytor4232> I'm having problems connecting to xfce.org
[02:56] <bytor4232> I can load the website http://www.xfce.org in lynx, but not in firefox.
[03:04] <AzMoo> bytor4232: Don't have a proxy or something set up?
[03:05] <bytor4232> no
[03:05] <bytor4232> Can you load it?
[03:10] <bytor4232> Hm.
[03:10] <bytor4232> I deactivated StumbleUpon, and it came right up
[04:00] <LairSpirit> If I upgrade my ram after install, will xubuntu automatically pick it up or will I have to change something somewhere?
[04:00] <soldats> it should auto pick it up, if not run memtest86 to make sure its all recognized
[04:01] <LairSpirit> ok, thanks
[06:02] <jones> i have a really weird issue. every time i open a terminal it crashed the entire xfce session and returns me to the login screen.. any  ideas?
[06:12] <soldats> new install
[06:21] <bronxangel> I keep getting erros when trying to run an update. the errors indicate that it can not find the update sources
[06:24] <bronxangel> room?
[06:30] <zoredache> did you add some unofficial repositories perhaps?
[06:30] <zoredache> try running an 'sudo apt-get update' from a terminal
[06:31] <bronxangel> that is what is generating the errors
[06:31] <bronxangel> btw, thanks
[06:32] <zoredache> what is the repository it is complaining about?  Can you access the repository with a browser?
[06:36] <bronxangel> i got "Failed to fetc http://.../gutsy-updates/Release
[06:37] <zoredache> what was the ... part
[06:39] <soldats> terminal font may be too big to display properly
[06:40] <bronxangel> Failed to fetch http://gulus.USherbrooke.ca/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-proposed/Release  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[06:57] <brandon__> who's running the least amount of hardware?
[06:58] <brandon__> i have a p3/550, 256megs
[12:59] <boogieman> Hello all, I'm trying to get Brightness Control working on my Compaq 6710b running Xubuntu 7.10. Pls. help
[13:00] <boogieman> I've been googling around and most of the posts I came across are on gamma correction. Which is not what I want.
[13:07] <_Ergo_> hello i downloaded xubutu livecd iso
[13:07] <_Ergo_> can i start install in text mode ?
[13:10] <boogieman> _Ergo_: yes; you should be able to
[13:11] <_Ergo_> how can i do it ? i dont want to download another image
[13:11] <_Ergo_> tried escape and typing: linux text
[13:11] <boogieman> boot up and see. There will be a menu option for text based installations
[13:11] <_Ergo_> no there is no text based install option
[13:12] <boogieman> what is your livecd name
[13:12] <_Ergo_> xubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:12] <_Ergo_> there is safe mode
[13:12] <_Ergo_> which i didnt tried out but suspect to be vga mode
[13:28] <kwhk> hi, i got problems with playing videos on some web sites.
[13:28] <kwhk> like:  http://www.apple.com/macbookair/#ad
[13:29] <kwhk> any help please?
[13:39] <scizzo-> what problem exactly?
[13:43] <kwhk> scizzo: mine is mplayer plug-in.  it firstly displays "getting .......", then "playing .......", and finally "stopped", without playing anything.
[13:45] <scizzo-> kwhk: seems like mplayer does not like the format.....not sure why though
[13:46] <kwhk> scizzo-: but you can get it played?
[13:47] <scizzo-> nope
[13:47] <scizzo-> its the same here
[15:43] <Gpalco> Dear Xubuntu users. I am new to Xubuntu. It is my first install btw. I ran into a problem: did some changes in windows outlook and it worked well for several startups, but now when I log in - I get just a broun blank screen without icons or the pannel. Thout I was able to loch and unlock the screen - the desktop pannels don't get loaded. Ctrl+Alt_Backspace reloads the system, but it is all the same. Is there a way to restart them? any setting file to modif
[16:56] <L1B3RTY> buona sera gente, spero che qualcuno possa darmi una mano, uso xubuntu 7.10 alternative l'ho appena installato, mi potete aiutaare, grazie
[17:06] <ctop> i did sudo ndiswrapper -m and ndiswrapper doesnt start at startup.
[17:06] <ctop> so every time i restart i need to sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[17:07] <TheSheep> ctop: add it to /etc/modules
[17:07] <ctop> ok thank you
[17:08] <ctop> it will modprobe ndiswrapper at startup?
[17:08] <predaeus> Gpalco, you could try to hit ALT-F2 and run xfce4-terminal and then xfce4-panel and see if it starts up or spits some error messages.
[17:09] <TheSheep> ctop: yes
[17:09] <ctop> ty sheep
[17:11] <ctop> could anyone tell me what these are that were already in the /etc/modules
[17:11] <ctop> fuse
[17:11] <ctop> lp
[17:11] <ctop> sbp2
[17:17] <TheSheep> ctop: these are kernel modules that are loaded by default
[17:17] <TheSheep> ctop: lp is for printers, I think, and fuse is for user-space filesystems
[17:17] <TheSheep> ctop: not sure about sbp2
[17:18] <TheSheep> ctop: maybe sound blaster pro
[20:02] <Breakage> Hi, Just wondering how I could change the default xubuntu icon on the xfce menu on the panel?
[20:14] <zoredache> well if you were just wondering... Then the answer is almost certainly yes.  It can be changed.  Of course if you where asking how.  I have no idea.
[20:14] <FreakCERS> hehe
[20:20] <Breakage> hehe ok :))
[20:24] <siggjen> just rightclick and choose properties
[20:26] <nikolam> Breakage, right-click on IT and change it there is "icons" and you can choose whatever icon you like :)
[20:28] <Breakage> nikolam: Thanks alot :) thought it would be harder like gnome
[21:00] <scizzo-> http://pastebin.com/m49789ce
[21:00] <scizzo-> dbus-launch f-spot works however f-spot does not
[21:00] <scizzo-> the system has dbus running but f-spot does not want to run with it
[21:01] <scizzo-> this has happened since the upgrade to hardy.....however from the developers point of view in #ubuntu-devel they said that this problem seems to come from xubuntu not starting the dbus correctly
[21:01] <scizzo-> or something like that
[21:03] <TheSheep> !bugs | scizzo-
[21:03] <ubotu> scizzo-: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:13] <scizzo-> as you wish
[21:39] <Breakage> Anyone here update to Xfce 4.4.2 on Gutsy?
[21:41] <sekaab> good evening
[21:42] <Breakage> evening
[21:46] <sparrw> im trying to build gdb and im getting a warning regarding 'makeinfo' being missing
[22:14] <Breakage> I just upgraded from 4.4.1 to 4.4.2 with xubuntu gutsy via xubuntu-team's launchpad ppa all is fine exept thunar won't recongnise my master hdd (ntfs drive). there is no HDD icon in sidepanel. how can I fix this?
[22:18] <Breakage> xfce from*
[22:31] <slow-motion> hi
[22:36] <Breakage> Could someone help, im using Xfce 4.4.2 with xubuntu just upgraded from 4.4.1 but thunar isn't showing my ntfs drive. it shows up under fdisk -l as /dev/sda1.
[22:44] <Breakage> anyone?
[22:45] <slow-motion> n8
[22:46] <march> goodnight :)
[22:58] <Andy_> Hey all, I've recently installed Xubuntu 7.10 on an old sony laptop, the install went fine however theres a problem that the actual viewable image is only taking up part of the screen, I have a big black border on my monitor that I can't seem to get rid of, anyone know of any possible solution?
[23:31] <roflmaoxx> is it possible to upgrade from xubuntu 6.10 to 7.10 ?
[23:32] <crimsun> not recommended, but yes
[23:32] <crimsun> (with a lot of massaging)
[23:32] <crimsun> 6.10-> 7.04-> 7.10 is recommended
[23:32] <roflmaoxx> hm ok
[23:32] <roflmaoxx> ok
[23:32] <roflmaoxx> should i use update manager or?
[23:33] <crimsun> apt-get for the first IIRC
[23:38] <resolution> my screen and graphics program crashes, anyone know how to get it to work?


 thanks for the update :)
 Buildds are slow today :(
[12:31] <mitya57> Yet another status update:
[12:31] <mitya57> - All of Qt 5.14.2 is now uploaded to Debian experimental.
[12:31] <mitya57> - qtbase finally built fine on riscv64.
[12:31] <mitya57> - Buildds are not only slow but also buggy today, builds are failing without any log so I have to retry them.
 :) Thanks for the work.
 Docs are bootstrapped now, I will be copying more packages from Debian when their reverse dependencies get built.


[00:00] <LaserJock> beuno: I'm not sure that'll help
[00:00] <sistpoty> hah... my problem is solved :)
[00:00] <LaserJock> beuno: but it's interesting anyway
[00:38] <cprov> sistpoty: are you happy with my answer to your question about https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[00:40]  * sistpoty looks
[00:43] <sistpoty> cprov: actually it doesn't really answer the question (which was a confusion from my side)
[00:43] <sistpoty> cprov: however it looks good!
[00:50] <cprov> sistpoty: well, it does answer the question 'interpretation' posted by Joey, I was under the impression that you've agreed on that per IRC log
[00:50] <cprov> sistpoty: anyway, all solved, thanks for posting that question, it's a valid reference.
[00:51] <Rinchen> I'm still in the dark on that one because the actual answer is not in the question! :-)
[00:51] <sistpoty> cprov: ok, but this page doesn't really tell me where the (source-)package was removed, or did I miss it?
[00:52] <sistpoty> (being tired now, I might miss quite a few things actually *g*()
[00:52] <cprov> sistpoty: no, but +publishinghistory does
[00:52] <sistpoty> cprov: oh, cool, didn't know that exists in the first place... thanks!
[00:53] <Rinchen> ok, I'm off to dinner with the family
[00:53] <cprov> sistpoty: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+publishinghistory
[00:53] <sistpoty> cprov: wow, that's really what I've been looking for... thanks a lot!
[00:54] <cprov> sistpoty: great.
[00:56] <wgrant> That page is rather excellent.
[00:56] <wgrant> But there's nothing like that for BPs.
[00:56] <wgrant> But that's a less common usecase.
[01:40] <bbyever> hello. Any launchpad admins here?
[01:50] <sm> good day all.. is there a known way to import trac tickets to launchpad ?
[03:07] <aleka> I am translating for a project on Lp and want to know how to upload my .pot file
[03:08] <aleka> Would I need special permission on that project to be able to upload a translation file?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> grrr
[03:33] <Hobbsee> how do i view a changes file of something in the queue now?
[03:44] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Can't you just click on the name?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> oh, is that what i'm supposed to do?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that works.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> last i knew, there was actually an obvious link to it.
[03:48] <ajmorris> hi, i was just wondering about the status of mailing lists?
[05:58] <nxvl> hi
[05:59] <nxvl> i have just notices that LP is changing a lot
[05:59] <nxvl> and now it looks really better
[05:59] <nxvl> but one thing i have just see and i'm not really happy with is that now i can only see one e-mail address from others
[06:06] <wgrant> Indeed, somebody seems to have dropped that portlet prematurely.
[06:06] <wgrant> mpt: ^^
[06:07] <wgrant> And the double-layered navigation menu on /people/+me/+edit looks awful.
[06:07] <wgrant> But the new look is even better than the prototype, in general.
[06:08] <nxvl> wgrant: click on ppa, you will need to press Back on you browser to get bak to your profile
[06:08] <wgrant> Right, because the PPA is another context.
[06:08] <wgrant> You can click on your name in the breadcrumbs.
[06:09] <wgrant> But it's a bit strange to have an in-object navigation take you away from your context, when none of the other options do.
[06:09] <wgrant> Hm
[06:09] <wgrant> Maybe it is the same context now.
[06:10] <nxvl> maybe it is a work in progress change
[06:10] <nxvl> and it will be changed in a bit
[09:09] <ignas> hi
[09:10] <ignas> is the request review function supposed to work on edge.launchpad.net ?
[09:10] <ignas> I am getting permission denied when I am trying to do that
[09:10] <mwhudson> yes
[09:11] <mwhudson> ignas: which branches?
[09:11] <ignas> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~aelkner/schooltool/schooltool.cas/+merge/497
[09:11] <mwhudson> ignas: also, do you have an oops id?
[09:12] <ignas> I have proposed the merge, but the branch belongs to aelkner
[09:12] <ignas> and neither he nor I can propose it to be reviewed
[09:12] <mwhudson> ignas: hm, does the person you're requesting a review from have their email address hidden?
[09:12] <ignas> there was no Ooops
[09:12] <ignas> no, he didn't have his bzr whoami set
[09:12] <ignas> when commiting these changes
[09:15] <mwhudson> yeah, someone somewhere involved has their email address hidden i think
[09:15] <ignas> emm
[09:15] <mwhudson> hm
[09:15] <mwhudson> ignas: file a bug please
[09:15] <ignas> ok
[09:17] <ignas> both my email and that of Alan Elkner are public
[09:19] <mwhudson> i wonder if it's something to do with the schooltool-checkins team
[09:19] <ignas> probably not, the checkins user has an email too
[09:22] <mwhudson> hm
[09:23] <mwhudson> well, i don't really know what's going on then
[09:23] <mwhudson> i didn't work on this code, thumper and abentley did much more than me
[09:25] <ignas> mwhudson: filed a bug on launchpad-bazaar
[09:25] <ignas> waiting for them to sort it out ;)
[09:27] <mwhudson> ignas: sorry i can't help more
[09:27] <ignas> nothing to be sorry about, you didn't write the code ;)
[09:45] <mwhudson> ignas: hm, the schooltool-checkins team seems a little strange, i can't see much information at all about it
[09:46] <ignas> well - it is strange
[09:46] <mwhudson> ignas: like who administers it, for example
[09:46] <ignas> it is our workaround for launchpad not sending chekin emails to our mailing list
[09:46] <ignas> we just created a user for that
[09:46] <ignas> it is a user i think
[09:46] <ignas> schooltool checkins
[09:46] <mwhudson> oh right
[09:47] <mwhudson> it's not a team :)
[09:47] <mwhudson> ok
[09:47] <mwhudson> "Email: No public address provided."
[09:47] <mwhudson> i think this is a bug in the way we send emails tho
[09:47] <ignas> hmm, strange
[09:48] <ignas> schooltool checkins mailing list got the merge request notification
[09:48] <ignas> so it must be working
[09:49] <ignas> mwhudson: http://lists.schooltool.org/pipermail/checkins/2008-July/008944.html
[09:49] <mwhudson> ignas: yes
[09:50] <mwhudson> ignas: if a user with a hidden email address subscribes to a bug, for example, they still get mail
[09:51] <mwhudson> though i can't reproduce the problem locally
[09:51] <mwhudson> oh well
[09:51]  * mwhudson stops doing work-y type things at 2100 on a saturday
[09:52] <ignas> :)
[10:16] <Laibsch> ping mwhudson
[10:16] <Laibsch> thank you for stopping the gnucash import process
[10:17] <Laibsch> would you be so kind to initialize the branch from the provided tar?
[10:24] <Rafik> Hello, please any launchpad admin here ? I sent an email on July 4 with no answer. I don't want to add a question for the same request
[11:08] <gnomefreak> Rafik: add a question as in on answers.launchpad.net
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ?*
[11:08] <Rafik> gnomefreak, hello, Yes
[11:09] <gnomefreak> Rafik: what do you need to know about it?
[11:09]  * gnomefreak not LP admin but i might beable to help
[11:10] <Rafik> it's about a nickname change, nothing "urgent" ^^
[11:11] <Rafik> a change to another old and inactive one...
[11:11] <gnomefreak> Rafik: ah cant you change and register it? I thought inactive/old nicks are released without the need for admins to release it
[11:12] <gnomefreak> everytime i asked i was told it was released already so either it was or they released it at that time
[11:13] <Rafik> I'm trying now..
[11:14] <Rafik> when I registred (more that a yeat ago), it just said : the nickname is in use
[11:15] <wgrant> Rafik: File a question on answers.launchpad.net. Somebody will tend to it soon enough.
[11:15] <Rafik> wgrant, thanks, I'll do so
[11:18] <gnomefreak> wgrant: they are not released unless asked to be?
[11:30] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Launchpad doesn't magically automatically destroy accounts, no.
[11:30] <wgrant> That would be more than slightly bad.
[11:31] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:32] <Rafik> wgrant, what's the meaning of "does not use Launchpad" ?
[11:32] <wgrant> Rafik: The account was automatically created, or (maybe) has been deactivated. I forget if the last bit is true.
[11:32] <wgrant> Launchpad automatically creates accounts if it sees an unknown person mentioned in some places.
[11:33] <Rafik> okay, thanks.
[12:40] <LEW21> Why code imports are so rarely reviewed?
[14:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[14:31] <Hobbsee> hey mpt!
[14:35] <mpt> hi Hobbsee
[14:35] <Hobbsee> mpt: i replied to the bug, too (about builds)
[14:35] <mpt> wgrant, what did nxvl mean by "i can only see one e-mail address from others"?
[14:36] <wgrant> mpt: The portlet which showed all email address on a person is no longer there.
[14:36] <wgrant> So we can see only the contact email.
[14:36]  * Hobbsee wtf's
[14:36] <Hobbsee> that page is...special.
[14:36] <mpt> hrrrr
[14:36] <mpt> It should show all e-mail addresses
[14:37] <wgrant> Yet it doesn't.
[14:37] <wgrant> And it's all rather too linear for my liking...
[14:38] <Hobbsee> wgrant: it's probably better to bite your tongue about that - it's clearly designed to be like that, for some reason.
[14:38] <Hobbsee> it's presumably improved...by some metric
[14:39] <wgrant> I have some faith in the LP team to not make permanent negative changes.
[14:41] <wgrant> It might just take some getting used to.
[14:41] <wgrant> Or it might end up being a real problem.
[14:41] <mpt> reported bug 247878
[14:41] <wgrant> mpt: Danke.
[15:12] <jordi_> hm, the savannah bugtracker isn't supported as an upstream bugtracker in lp?
[15:15] <andrea-bs> jordi_: it should be supported, see https://help.launchpad.net/LaunchpadReleases/1.2.2
[15:15] <andrea-bs> jordi_: and also https://help.launchpad.net/RemoteBugCoverage
[15:16] <jordi_> I got unsupported url scheme
[15:16] <jordi_> I tried using this url
[15:16] <jordi_> https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?23827
[15:18] <jordi_>  There is 1 error in the data you entered. Please fix it and try again.
[15:18] <jordi_> any idea?
[15:20] <sinzui> jordi: The problem may relate to the fact the the SSL cert is bad. try just http://...
[15:21] <jordi> sinzui: tried that as well
[15:21] <jordi> same result
[15:26] <andrea-bs> jordi: found!
[15:26] <sinzui> jordi: I see examples like this in Launchpad code.http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?23827
[15:26] <andrea-bs> jordi: put this link: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?23827
[15:26] <andrea-bs> sinzui :)
[15:27] <sinzui> ;)
[15:36] <jordi> andrea-bs, sinzui: fantastic, thanks!
[15:37] <andrea-bs> jordi: you're welcome :)
[15:37] <jordi> should LP try to grok the other url, though?
[15:37] <jordi> maybe I should file that as a bug
[15:38] <andrea-bs> jordi: there's already a bug about that
[15:38] <andrea-bs> jordi: let me find it
[15:39] <andrea-bs> jordi: bug #197250
[15:39] <jordi> ah good
[15:39] <jordi> I tried finding this bug but failed
[18:09] <pep> Hello
[18:10] <pep> I filed a question last week asking the deletion of two projects, it is still pending... https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/38202
[18:11] <pep> can somebody give me some information about this?
[21:19] <pep> I shouldn't ask about this on a saturday I suppose =)
[21:23] <LEW21> When will somebody review the pending code imports? phpBB Group is currently talking about making the phpBB development more open, having phpBB's code imported to an open VCS will probably help, and if code won't get imported then they will probably stay on SVN or choose Git.
[21:29] <Peng> It might be possible to import it with bzr-svn or something on your own..


[02:21] <ianm_> if I move a .pot file into a subdirectory, will it affect existing translations?
[06:05] <aminpy> http://dpaste.com/593859/plain/ <- how can I fix this?
[06:07] <lifeless> aminpy: let me see
[06:08] <lifeless> aminpy: its working here, which means you probably have a firewall issue
[06:10] <aminpy> lifeless, my colleagues run it without any problem
[06:14] <lifeless> aminpy: that may mean they don't have a firewall on their machine, or have permissions on your corporate firewall, or something else.
[06:15] <aminpy> lifeless, can I run it with ssh or ...?
[06:17] <lifeless> that xmlrpc call is done to do directory service lookups
[06:17] <lifeless> very recent bzr's do not do it at all
[06:20] <lifeless> aminpy: it looks like that is a proxy failure
[06:20] <lifeless> aminpy: do you have http_proxy or https_proxy set in your environment ?
[06:20] <aminpy> lifeless, I tested it with proxy and without proxy
[06:21] <lifeless> CONNECT is used when connecting to https via a proxy
[06:21] <lifeless> the error means it could not connect to your proxy
[09:34] <figure002> hello. how are fuzzy translations currently supported on LP?
[09:35] <lifeless> with code and schemas
[09:41] <figure002> so fuzzy translations are supported? because it seems that fuzzies are marked as untranslated on LP translations.
[09:42] <lifeless> they get marked as needing review
[09:42] <lifeless> yes they are supported
[09:45] <figure002> strange, because i don't see my fuzzies appear as 'need review' on LP, am i missing something?
[09:45] <figure002> LP automatically imports my PO files from the bzr repo, but fuzzies appear nowhere
[09:48] <lifeless> you might like to ask a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad about this.
[09:48] <figure002> i already did: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/135487
[09:48] <figure002> but it is marked as solved by someone else, should i make a new question?
[09:50] <lifeless> are you roland or serrano ?
[09:51] <figure002> serrano
[09:51] <lifeless> ah, so you didn't ask the question :)
[09:51] <lifeless> yes, you should ask a new one.
[09:51] <figure002> nope, but i added a comment with a question :)
[09:51] <lifeless> on a closed ticket
[09:52] <lifeless> so it won't be in anyones queue for review or answering
[09:52] <figure002> yeah, that's what i thought, i should make a new question
[10:15] <figure002> new qustion posted: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167923
[10:15] <figure002> thanks for the help lifeless
[10:22] <lifeless> no probs
[13:15] <penguin42> I'm getting a 'list something' message when clicking on an attachment in bug 825644   (the terminal messages at the bottom) - any suggestions?
[13:15] <penguin42> oops - 'lost something'!
[13:41] <wgrant> penguin42: That's a regression with attachments with names containing spaces or some other special characters. It'll be fixed on Monday.
[14:08] <penguin42> ok, thanks
[14:09] <penguin42> is there a way to retrieve that file?
[14:40] <penguin42> ah - grab-attachments manages it
[15:33] <Darxus> I've had daily builds of lp:spamassassin working for a while.  I'd like to set up two additional PPAs based on it.  One basically identical to the existing daily builds, but only built once a month, and the second containing copies of the first after they're a month old.
[15:33] <Darxus> So I can test snapshots for a month, and then make them available to everybody else after a month of testing on a regular basis.
[15:33] <Darxus> Can any of that be automated?  Is there even a way to get packages from one PPA to another at all?
[15:34] <tumbleweed> sounds like a cronjob that copies binaries is what you want
[15:35] <Darxus> Cool, thanks.  I was just wondering a cron job running on my server might be useful.
[15:35] <tumbleweed> note archive.syncSources https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html#archive
[15:35] <Darxus> Blows my mind that the SA devs insist there isn't enough manpower available to do monthly releases when I'm already doing and using daily releases.
[15:35] <tumbleweed> so you should be able to easily do this with a python launchpadlib-using script
[15:36] <Darxus> Neat, thanks.
[15:37] <Darxus> I just played with launchpadlib for the first time a couple days ago.  I could use more documentation :)
[15:37] <tumbleweed> +apidoc is pretty much all there is (that and some wiki pages on help.launchpad.net)
[15:37] <Darxus> From looking at what you linked to I.. really can't even guess how I'd copy a package from one PPA to another.
[15:40] <Darxus> This might help more:  https://help.launchpad.net/API/Examples#Copy an old version of a package into your PPA for a newer release
[15:42] <tumbleweed> I'm guessing something like: lp.me.getPPAByName(name='testing').syncSources(from_archive=lp.me.getPPAByName(name='daily'), include_binaries=True, source_names=['spamassassin'], to_pocket='RELEASE')
[16:38] <evolv> htf did I get here?
[16:39] <penguin42> evolv: Something involving a late night bar and a large drink?
[16:39] <evolv> well, it was more like drinking at a buddy's place playing video games
[16:39] <evolv> then I magically ended up here
[16:40] <evolv> I'm not sure what the general purpose of this channel is
[16:41] <penguin42> evolv: Bug reports and help about the launchpad bug tracking/planning system used by canonical/ubuntu
[16:41] <evolv> oh
[16:41] <evolv> lol
[16:42] <evolv> well, it's been fun guys, but I definitely took the wrong turn here
[16:42] <evolv> [eace
[22:41] <DNS777> hi guys! those autogen builds got stucked somehow https://launchpad.net/~dns/+archive/gnu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building , i wonder why, because the i386 lucid went fine
[22:43] <DNS777> would be nice if there would be a "stop build" button
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> well
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> the errors are right there
[22:44] <DNS777> yes i c
[22:44] <DNS777> but i mean teh machines are stucked too
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2
[22:44] <DNS777> ^_^
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> yes, probly there's no error handlers
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> did you email the email it said to email?
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> btw, your debian/rules seems to be screwed ;)
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> at least the builders think so
[22:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> *shrugs*
[22:55] <DNS777> tbh it doesnt make so much sense to send an email if i cant see whole build log
[22:55] <DNS777> ;)
[23:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> well that's all there is
[23:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> if its hung up, they'd have to, i dont know, kill the build daemon or something
[23:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> which is indicative of a bug in the building daemons, no?
[23:03] <DNS777> not sure, but a button to stop would be fine (and can save resources)
[23:06] <DNS777> where i can send feature requests? at lp itself > bugs ?