[00:00] <storrgie> fsck.ext4: Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks...
[00:00] <storrgie> Group descriptor 0 checksum is invalid.  Fix<y>?
[00:00] <storrgie> so just hold down yes as it goes through?
[00:00] <ondisk> this is and outrage. the mist theme has been removed from the default install?! :D
[00:00] <kklimonda> hmm.. in ubuntu shipit i can't choose between x86 and amd64 version?
[00:00] <cwillu> That's what you'd see if the partition was originally ext3 and was tweaked into ext4
[00:00] <storrgie> cwillu: well its a fresh format
[00:00] <storrgie> i was JUST using it 20 minutes ago
[00:01] <ellar> dtchen, your linux-headers-2.6.28-12-generic depends on  linux-headers-2.6.28-12.   US?
[00:10] <BUGabundo> PT
[00:10] <mrwes> pacific time?
[00:10] <BUGabundo> Portugal.. duh
[00:10] <mrwes> shrug
[00:10] <mrwes> I'm in CT
[00:10] <mrwes> :P
[00:20] <philsf> I can't make the guest account work from the fusa applet, how can I debug it, run from command-line?
[00:20] <mysticdarkhack> hello
[00:21] <mysticdarkhack> tell me if anyone can watch streaming at www.bloomberg.com
[00:22] <mysticdarkhack> or other streaming video sites
[00:22] <mysticdarkhack> mms or mmsh streaming
[00:27] <mrwes> hrmm
[00:28] <thiebaude> got a question, i just downloaded the iso. and i mounted it, and how do i install it
[00:29] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: humm mounted ?? and now want to install from that?
[00:29] <BUGabundo> why?
[00:29] <cwillu> without burning it?  I don't think there's a straightforward way to do it
[00:29] <ellar> dtchen, your Kernel didn't fix the problem!
[00:29] <BUGabundo> ellar: please comment on the bug report
[00:29] <thiebaude> i cant burn cd's, i dont have that capability
[00:30] <BUGabundo> so that informantion doesn't get lost
[00:30] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: usb pendrive?
[00:30] <ellar> BUGabundo, i didn't get the number
[00:30] <thiebaude> i dont have an usb drive
[00:30] <inter4ever> why doesn't jaunty automatically enable vmmouse driver any more?
[00:30] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.28-12-generic #42~crimsun1lp345627 SMP Sat Apr 11 02:00:26 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:32] <ellar> BUGabundo, mine looks similar Linux max-ubuntumobile 2.6.28-12-generic #42~crimsun2lp345627 SMP Tue Apr 14 22:20:27 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux I was looking for the bug numer
[00:32] <BUGabundo> bug 345627
[00:32] <BUGabundo> there you go
[00:32] <ellar> BUGabundo, thx
[00:32]  * BUGabundo stupid pidgin crash
[00:36] <mheath> BUGabundo: thanks, I was actually just searching for an existing bug of that :P
[00:36] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:36] <BUGabundo> its on the kernel name!
[00:37] <BUGabundo> don't you love hackers level 2 ?
[00:37]  * BUGabundo pokes cwillu and thanks for a such a great reading
[00:37] <mheath> Thats not that exciting. I can remember when the feature to add a custom string to the end of the version was *added* to the kernel :P
[00:38] <ellar> BUGabundo, how do I know if i really use PA? Or do I do by default?
[00:38] <BUGabundo> ah?
[00:38] <test34-> How can I get a screen shot of the desktop from a remote ssh session ?
[00:39] <mheath> ellar: jaunty uses pulseaudio by default, but you can check by going to PReferences -> Sound, and the Device option should say something in it about (PulseAudio Mixer)
[00:39] <BUGabundo> mheath: I mean http://www.indiangeek.net/programmer-competency-matrix/
[00:39] <BUGabundo> test34-: you may need to pass -X via SSH
[00:40] <BUGabundo> or VNC to it
[00:40] <ienorand> Would this be a valid way to check a dd disk copy against the original disk? : cmp -l  <(cat ./backup.dd.gz.00* | gunzip -c) <(cat /dev/sdb)
[00:40] <cwillu> ienorand, you don't need the cats
[00:40] <ellar> BUGabundo, it says "automatic" so i assume its pulseaudio
[00:40] <cwillu> ienorand, I generally just keep an md5sum of the image around, and re-md5sum the device
[00:40] <test34-> thanks BUGabundo
[00:41] <mheath> ellar: below that, theres a Device: dropdown box.
[00:41] <cwillu> test34-, DISPLAY=:0 <name of screenshotting app>
[00:41] <cwillu> if you're trying to get a screenshot of a remote machine by ssh'ing to it
[00:41] <ienorand> cwillu: Ok, and I would omit the <'s as well? just use parenthesis?
[00:42] <ellar> on german here but the last dropdown is set to alsa. That's where to select which should be tuned by the gnome-applet, right?
[00:43] <cwillu> hmm, gnome-screenshot can't be usably scripted
[00:43] <cwillu> DISPLAY=:0 xfce4-screenshooter -f -h -s ./ should do the trick
[00:43] <cwillu> but you'll probably need to install it first
[00:45] <test34-> DISPLAY=:0 import xwindow.png -> import: unable to grab mouse `': Resource temporarily unavailable.
[00:45] <test34-> import from image-magick
[00:45]  * ellar had connection problems
[00:45] <cwillu> ah, k
[00:45] <cwillu> test34-, you need to be running as that user though, or sudo it
[00:45] <cwillu> you can't otherwise connect to somebody else's display
[00:46] <test34-> I'm running as that user unless I need to be root
[00:57] <bjsnider> apparently even the official 2.7 intel driver still has numerous showstoppers
[01:04] <mrooney> Anyone know how I might debug the inability to resolve any domains not explicitly specified in /etc/hosts?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> mrooney: DNS probs?
[01:06] <mrooney> BUGabundo: yes it does seem, alas
[01:06] <BUGabundo> either you are not receving then or refusig to use them
[01:06] <BUGabundo> firewall maybe?
[01:06] <mrooney> BUGabundo: the network is fine I believe as I run jaunty there on another machine
[01:07] <mrooney> I could check for a software firewall, ufw perhaps
[01:07] <mrooney> hm no ufw
[01:08] <BUGabundo> what network card?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> some drivers are stupid
[01:09] <mrooney> BUGabundo: hm I don't know, though since internet works for specified IPs you wouldn't think that would be it
[01:09] <mrooney> I wonder where my DNS settings are
[01:09] <BUGabundo> /etc/resolve
[01:09] <BUGabundo> something around there
[01:09] <BUGabundo> or /etc/networks/*
[01:10] <BUGabundo> its 2 am here so I can't think strait
[01:10] <wirechief> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:11] <BUGabundo> there you go
[01:11] <drone> I've got an issue with a new lenovo laptop I just bought. The wireless broadcom works fine with the proprietary drivers, but the wired nic doesn't work. lspci says the nic is a bcm5906 netlink. Any ideas
[01:11] <tretle> is anyone else having issues with the appearance capplet rendering the selection wrong?
[01:12] <wirechief> BUGabundo: getting closer to this usb-creator issue of dropping people to intramfs
[01:12] <BUGabundo> drone: please look in Launchpad
[01:12] <drone> alrighty, will do. But I also might add that it didn't work on 8.10 or 8.04 either.
[01:13] <BUGabundo> wirechief: I blame either old syslinux or bad FAT32 format
[01:13] <drone> lemme check out LP and see what I can dig up
[01:13] <wirechief> BUGabundo:  seems it is going too fast, setting rootdelay=90  made it work for me.
[01:14] <wirechief> BUGabundo: the persistence is taking too long for it and it doesnt wait.
[01:14] <mrooney> wirechief: my nameserver is set to <IP_ADDRESS>, that doesn't seem right does it
[01:14] <wirechief> nope
[01:15] <wirechief> mrooney this is mine and its the DNS for my isp nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:15] <drone> :BUGabundo where you saying to check LP because you have seen the issue before? I don't see anything on that nic in launchpad...
[01:16] <mrooney> wirechief: hm I wonder how to figure it out if I only have ssh access to the box
[01:16] <mrooney> I could install lynx and go to my router page haha
[01:16] <wirechief> mrooney: why is that ?
[01:16] <mrooney> wirechief: why is what?
[01:16] <BUGabundo> drone: $ lspci
[01:16] <BUGabundo> get the nic ID
[01:16] <BUGabundo> and LP or google for it
[01:16] <wirechief> why do you have to use ssh
[01:17] <tretle> http://yfrog.com/61screenshotappearanceprep
[01:17] <tretle> anyone else getting that rendering issue
[01:17] <wirechief> mrooney: why do you have to use ssh
[01:17] <mrooney> wirechief: well, this is a server that I don't have physical access to (at the moment), that I'd like to get properly on the net so it can find domains
[01:18] <wirechief> oh, ok..
[01:18] <mrooney> hey tretle! what is the issue exactly?
[01:19] <tretle> the highlight/select is being rendered wrong
[01:19] <mase_work> jcastro: Was it you that had an Thinkpad X200 ?
[01:19] <wirechief> mrooney i wonder if you shh into it and then just echo the right ip into resolv.conf
[01:19] <lvlefisto> i noticed that jaunty installer takes the full screen. I mean, when installing hardy or intrepid it asks you in a window for the keybd layout, and other settings. Now jaunty takes the full screen. I am saying this because my video card (nvidia 6150) shows only the half of the screen during installation.
[01:19] <mrooney> wirechief: yeah I suspect that will work, but I don't know how to figure out what the DNS for that ISP is
[01:19] <tretle> notice the gray rounded box in the middle of a giant blue box
[01:20] <lvlefisto> I have to finish the installation to install the drivers needed to see the whole screen
[01:20] <wirechief> mrooney you might be able to just use something like  <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:20] <wirechief> ive used it before i got satelite
[01:20] <mrooney> tretle: yes I too have both highlights granted they are different colors due to my different theme
[01:21] <wirechief> mrooney i think thats called a free DNS ip
[01:21] <mrooney> wirechief: wow that works, I wonder what the heck IP that is
[01:21] <wirechief> mrooney i think thats called a free DNS ip
[01:22] <wirechief> mrooney: worked for me too when i was stuck on the moon
[01:22] <tretle> I noticed a similar rendering bug in the image collection part of eye of gnome
[01:22] <drone> :BUGabundo it says : 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
[01:22] <tretle> mrooney, do you know what is causing it or if there is a bug filed?
[01:25] <robin0800> What is the name of the network appelet that is now missing in thr release candidate
[01:25] <BUGabundo> robin0800: is it???
[01:26] <robin0800> that  network monitor
[01:28] <mrooney> wirechief: thanks you are my hero :)
[01:28] <mrooney> tretle: nope I don't know anything about it, I can just confirm the double highlight, maybe it is even intended!
[01:29]  * wirechief i have had a great day swatting bugs
[01:29] <tretle> double higlight is a horrible idea :D
[01:30] <wirechief> mrooney: am glad it worked for you.
[01:33] <jcastro> mase_work: yes
[01:34] <mase_work> jcastro: have you noticed an increase in wakeups with jaunty and powertop ?
[01:37] <jcastro> mase_work: it's been horrible the entire time
[01:37] <jcastro> my battery lasts like 3 hours
[01:39] <tretle> indicator applet would be so much more useful if it stopped tracking server connects/disconnects and nickserv messages..... I find myself ignoring the applet already due to this and as a result accidentally ignoring actual messages
[01:42] <ValentineX> hallo
[01:43] <mrwes> Why is the volume applet so damn big when I adjust the volume on my keyboard? Kind of over kill no?
[01:43] <mrwes> or am I just being picky?
[01:43] <mrwes> heh
[01:44] <matrixblue> mrwes, my volume applet is very tiny, did you enlarge it or something?
[01:45] <matrixblue> Yay! updates to the Mesa driver :D
[01:46] <mrwes> matrixblue, nope....although it might be the theme I'm running
[01:46] <matrixblue> mrwes, check ur icon set
[01:46] <mrwes> I'm running Shiki theme and icon
[01:47] <Warrior|Aussie> so what's going to be in 9.04?
[01:47] <matrixblue> mrwes, switch just the icons temporarily to see if that's it. I'm curious
[01:47] <mrooney> tretle: yeah, I wish I could pidgin as a whole to ignore them so I don't have to close them each time I start my computer
[01:47] <mrwes> matrixblue, I'm running GNOME-Brave -- lemme switch to a default them
[01:47] <mrwes> theme
[01:48] <mrwes> matrixblue, same under Tangerine
[01:49] <mrwes> matrixblue, wanna see a screenshot of it?
[01:49] <matrixblue> mrwes, yes please
[01:49] <mrwes> hold
[01:49] <mrwes> where do I upload it to?
[01:50] <matrixblue> Warrior|Aussie, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.10
[01:51] <matrixblue> mrwes, try imageshack
[01:51] <tretle> mrooney : filled a bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-applet/+bug/362660
[01:51] <NAD3240> I need help running VirtualBox.....having some issues with audio
[01:52] <mrwes> http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2906/screenshotl.png
[01:52] <nandemonai> NAD3240: Are you setting the audio to use PULSE? Works here.
[01:53] <matrixblue> mrwes, taking a while to load (my bandwidth is clopped up because I'm seeding Xubuntu and Ubuntu RCs
[01:53] <NAD3240> nandemonai: no, i have it on ALSA
[01:53] <robin0800> gnome netstats appelet is missing from the release candidate why?
[01:53] <mrwes> matrixblue, k
[01:53] <NAD3240> it works running exp but it stutters
[01:53] <wamcvey> Anyone here actually able to take ownership of a compiz bug that has lingered in launchpad for over a year?
[01:53] <matrixblue> mrwes, oh you mean the libnotify thingy
[01:53] <matrixblue> it's always the same size
[01:54] <nandemonai> NAD3240: I'd suggest trying pulse.
[01:54] <wamcvey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/216550
[01:54] <NAD3240> nandemonai: thanks, will give that a try now
[01:54] <mrwes> yah...I don't remember it being that friggin' big
[01:54] <mrwes> heh
[01:54] <matrixblue> mrwes, nice setup thoug. Is that a KDE wallpaper?
[01:55] <robin0800> matrixblue: yes
[01:56] <mrwes> nah...Shiki -- thing I leeched it from eye-candy somewhere
[01:56] <NAD3240> is there a a gui burner app that supports DVD-RAM discs with UDF?
[01:56] <matrixblue> robin0800, ?
[01:56] <robin0800> its a kde wallpaper
[01:56] <mrwes> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717
[01:57] <matrixblue> robin0800, oh It looks so. KDE has an awesome art team
[01:57] <matrixblue> I hear brown won't be the default color is Karmic
[01:57] <robin0800> matrixblue: Blue curl to be precise
[01:57] <mrwes> matrixblue, this is a better URL http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/11/13/shiki-colors-and-community-themes-in-ubuntu-810/
[01:58] <mrwes> shrug...OK
[01:58] <mrwes> been running it for awhile -- I like it alot
[01:58] <tretle> mrwes - best gtk theme I have ever used....... first one that I havent gotten bored with after a week
[01:58] <NAD3240> I have a stack of DVD-RAM discs that i like using for click and drag. I remember using some command line in the past to format them to UDF and then was able to drag. this was a while back, anyone know this?
[01:59] <matrixblue> mrwes, I'm installing that now!
[02:00] <lvlefisto> i noticed that jaunty installer uses the whole screen for the installation settings. Hardy and intrepid asks you in a window for the settings. Now jaunty takes the whole screen. I am saying this because my video card (nvidia 6150) shows only the half of the screen during installation. I have to finish the installation to install the drivers needed to see the whole screen.
[02:00] <mrwes> tretle, I agree --- glad I could help out matrixblue
[02:01] <matrixblue> anyone in here reads Fullcircle?
[02:01] <mrwes> I do
[02:01] <matrixblue> I love it
[02:03] <mrwes> matrixblue, I believe this is the ppa that them, dunno if it's still active under Jaunty
[02:03] <mrwes> http://ppa.launchpad.net/johannes-schw/ubuntu
[02:03] <NAD3240> anyone here still using DVD-RAM discs
[02:04] <mrwes> although I haven't had an update in awhile
[02:04] <mrwes> matrixblue, fullcircle is great -- dunno what it's not officially supported on the forums though
[02:04] <matrixblue> mrwes, , what's this?
[02:04] <mrwes> why*
[02:04] <mrwes> shiki-colors ppa
[02:05] <bronson> I just installed Jaunty RC.  No audio.
[02:05] <bronson> Worked fine in Intrepid.
[02:05] <mrwes> I think..heh
[02:06] <bronson> The Devices tab in PulseAudio Manager only shows auto_null and auto_null.monitor.
[02:06] <bronson> Does that mean that Pulse isn't finding my alsa card?
[02:08] <bronson> /proc/asound/cards shows 2 cards: Intel 82801JI and the ATI HDMI output.
[02:08] <bronson> How can I tell PulseAudio to use one of those?
[02:10] <NAD3240> bronson: what does it show under system>preferences>soud
[02:10] <NAD3240> is pulse audio selected
[02:10] <hemanth> Now that we can ship ubuntu 9.04 , is it stable enough to do a dist upgrade ?
[02:11] <bronson> NAD3240, No, it's all set to Autodetect except for Sound capture which is ALSA.
[02:11] <lfaraone> Hi, my gnome-panel freezes every once in a while. Any idea how I can stop that from happening? :)
[02:11] <bronson> No idea what Default Mixer Tracks is supposed to be but that's set to Capture: Monitor of Null Output.
[02:12] <NAD3240> bronson: what happens when you hit Test
[02:12] <bronson> lfaraone, what do you mean freeze?  Stops updating or won't respond to clicks?
[02:12] <bronson> NAD3240, just silence.
[02:12] <bronson> pavumeter shows that sound is being played but it's clearly just going to the null device.
[02:13] <Smegzor> Since upgrading to Jaunty, I can't launch the Fusion icon anymore.  It doesn't appear in my panel and I don't see a process for it.  Anyone else unable to launch the fusion icon?
[02:13] <NAD3240> hmmm
[02:14] <NAD3240> bronson: when you do pulse audio from drop down menu and select pulse on all of them
[02:14] <NAD3240> bronson: reboot
[02:14] <NAD3240> bronson: no sound?
[02:14] <bronson> Well, I set them all to pulse.  No sound.
[02:14] <bronson> I can try a reboot.
[02:14] <kyleabaker> can someone help me with an error trying to install ia32-libs?
[02:15] <bronson> Doubt it'll do anything...
[02:15] <bronson> Here's a clue maybe: when I set Sound Playback to HDA Intel ALC1200 Analog (Alsa), I get an error:
[02:16] <bronson> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample !gconfaudiosink: Could not open device for playback.
[02:18] <NAD3240> bronson: is this an onboard card? are you using rear panel connection or front
[02:19] <bronson> NAD3240, onboard, have headphones plugged into front, speakers plugged into rear.
[02:19] <bronson> No sound on either.
[02:19] <bronson> But the problem is that my sound card doesn't show up in PulseAudio Manager, no?
[02:19] <bronson> The Devices tab shows only the auto_null device.
[02:22] <NAD3240> yes you should have a bunch of alsa  lists there
[02:22] <bronson> aplay -l shows the sound cards on this system.
[02:23] <bronson> so does cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:23] <NAD3240> how does lspci list it
[02:24] <bronson> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[02:24] <NAD3240> so in your main volume control now. what device is being used
[02:25] <bronson> NAD3240, the auto_null device
[02:25] <Smegzor> Jaunty has killed my compiz and enabling desktop effects gives me windows without borders.  How can I get compiz or just the window borders back?
[02:25] <bronson> Rebooting into Intrepid to make sure it still works there.
[02:26] <albech> i am experiencing some weird behavior on mouse clicks.. it seems random, but sometimes i loose a click+hold and other times it click one more time.. it is a bluetooth mouse and working perfectly in 8.10
[02:26] <bronson> Man, i love how fast Jaunty boots.
[02:28] <albech> another issue is that every morning the system has crashed and it back at the login screen with an error that either firefox or pidgin has crashed the system..
[02:28] <NAD3240> smegzor: go to terminal and type metacity --replace
[02:28] <bronson> Interesting, this card is called ALC888 in Intrepid, ALC1200 in Jaunty.
[02:29] <Smegzor> thanks.  Just reading lots of posts about this.  I'd quite like the eye candy back :)
[02:34] <stone1343> hi, can I assume that if I've applied all the updates to the beta that I'm now at RC level?
[02:35] <DanaG> ugh, nvidia 180.44 doesn't build on 2.6.30-rc2.
[02:35] <wirechief> stone1343: i think so, no more updates are being allowed in unless its a bug fix i think.
[02:35] <stone1343> should I be expecting to have to do a dist-upgrade now and again next week?
[02:36] <wirechief> stone1343: i did a du about 1 hr ago and only got 1 package
[02:36] <stone1343> wirechief: thanks
[02:37] <stone1343> i'm really happy with jaunty on my acer aspire one
[02:37] <crackintosh> I've got no video in jaunty, any ideas?
[02:37] <wirechief> some good reading here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[02:38] <wirechief> crackintosh: you are not getting a desktop ?
[02:39] <DanaG> ah, found a patch for nvidia.
[02:40] <Smegzor> hmm.. does Jaunty have working desktop effects at all?  I'm wondering if removing compiz will help?
[02:41] <albech> Smegzor, yes, they are working just fine here
[02:41] <bronson> NAD3240, I just found a USB headset...  that works fine.  the null device disappears and all sound works like it should.
[02:41] <bronson> It appears Jaunty is incompatible with the Intel ALC1200?!
[02:41] <DanaG> er, you mean the Realtek?
[02:41] <bronson> On this motherboard anyway...  Asus P5QL-EM.
[02:41] <DanaG> ALC1200 is very new -- needs recent ALSA for it.
[02:42] <crackintosh> Correct , no desktop just junk
[02:42] <NAD3240> bronson: good. i am glad that u got it
[02:42] <DanaG> I'm not sure of the best way to recommend installing an updated ALSA.
[02:42] <mase_work> jcastro: yeh mine too
[02:43] <mase_work> jcastro: i ended up getting the 9 cell
[02:43] <jcastro> I have a 9 cell
[02:43] <crackintosh> Can someone recommend a CPI irc client iPhone hard to type on.
[02:43] <mase_work> yikes
[02:43] <crackintosh> Cli
[02:43] <jcastro> mase_work: it's an upstream kernel/thinkpad-acpi thing, it's on the radar to be fixed at some point
[02:44] <mase_work> jcastro: i was talking to henrique and bald novell kernel guy...you know the one..hates canonical
[02:44] <mase_work> they asked lenovo for info
[02:44] <mase_work> i think they got some
[02:44] <jcastro> I've seen it brought up on the thinkpad list
[02:44] <mase_work> but not all
[02:44] <jcastro> the T400's and 500's are pretty bad too
[02:44] <jcastro> but I think it's worse on the X200's iirc
[02:45] <mase_work> yeh it shouldn't be though
[02:45] <bronson> DanaG, I got this motherboard like 8 months ago...  New but not THAT new.
[02:45] <wirechief> my r61e works great
[02:45] <mase_work> on vista (apparently , i haven't confirmed) it uses 5 watts with lenovo's special sauce
[02:45] <mase_work> i can get like 9 watts
[02:45] <mase_work> if i try really hard
[02:45] <mase_work> which lasts about 6 hours
[02:45] <jcastro> 5 watts?
[02:45] <mase_work> yep
[02:45] <jcastro> mine is closer to 12
[02:45] <jcastro> hah
[02:46] <bronson> wait, what's bad about the T500?
[02:46] <mase_work> yeh
[02:46] <lfaraone> bronson: it does both of those things
[02:46] <jcastro> wirechief: yeah, it's really a problem on the newer thinkpads
[02:46] <bronson> Can't find much wrong with mine.
[02:46] <lfaraone> bronson: example, it just did so now after I clicked on my network location
[02:46] <wirechief> jcastro i have heard that too. not sure whats going on with lenovo
[02:47] <jcastro> no one on the kernel team could figure it out when I let them mess with it
[02:47] <jcastro> they just know it's a thinkpad-acpi problem
[02:47] <bronson> lfaraone, hm, I haven't seen that.
[02:47] <bronson> I would try removing applets that you don't care about and watch for it to go away.
[02:48] <mase_work> jcastro: 2.6.29 is somewhat better. i tried fedora 11 last night which has some wierd wakeup issue in kernel.core which i think is just a regression  but all of the other wakeups are gone
[02:48] <bronson> Then you'll at least know which applet it might be.
[02:48] <crackintosh> XvV
[02:48] <lfaraone> bronson: just did a test, and it seems it crashes each time I go to Places>location-mounted-over-ssh
[02:49] <mase_work> jcastro: the iwlagn is only waking up like 11 times
[02:49] <jcastro> hmm
[02:49] <jcastro> I will investigate 2.6.29 then
[02:49] <mase_work> similar results with <IP_ADDRESS> in ubuntu
[02:49] <mase_work> but it has other issues
[02:49] <lfaraone> In other news, my wifi is randomly disassociating from the network. Happens with two different APs.
[02:49] <mase_work> suspend doesn't work
[02:49] <bronson> Anyone have a suggestion on how I can get this ALC1200 working on Jaunty?
[02:49] <jcastro> mase_work: yikes, that's kind of a deal breaker for me
[02:50] <bronson> I'd hate to leave this USB headset plugged in forever.
[02:50] <mase_work> jcastro: yeh me too. can i PM you ?
[02:50] <jcastro> mase_work: sure, I am stepping out for a few minutes, chat away, I'll be back in 10
[02:51] <bronson> mase_work, you have a T500?   I'm only 13"..just happened to me.   Big difference.
[02:54] <bronson> mase_work, that makes more sense.  :)
[02:55] <mase_work> bronson: suspend works in intrepid
[02:57] <bronson> A regression, that sucks.
[02:57] <calc> x200 are nice :)
[02:58] <calc> yea mine is around 12W on average i think
[02:58]  * calc can't wait for the X201 (i suppose will be what its called) later this year
[02:58] <calc> i won't be getting that until mid next year though
[02:58] <jcastro> wait, what?
[02:58] <jcastro> already?
[02:59] <calc> jcastro: intel's new refresh will be sometime Q3
[02:59] <calc> jcastro: they come out with a new platform each year
[02:59] <calc> if i am lucky i might get the next refresh after this one
[02:59] <calc> so eg x202 or whatever
[02:59] <calc> jcastro: the one later this year will have the gpu on the cpu aiui
[03:00] <calc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino - Calpella
[03:01] <jcastro> nice
[03:01] <jcastro> calc: my boot is down to 7 seconds flat.
[03:01] <td1231> jcastro: wow
[03:01] <jcastro> but that google guy with 17.5 seconds is getting all the attention
[03:01] <calc> nice :)
[03:01] <calc> jcastro: too bad its not 7s from power on, heh
[03:01] <td1231> jcastro: with the 9.04 rc?
[03:02] <td1231> oh
[03:02] <td1231> i thought it was from power on :D
[03:02] <jcastro> td1231: yeah, I also have an intel ssd
[03:02] <calc> td1231: bios is probably > 10s by itself
[03:02] <jcastro> yeah the bios takes forever
[03:02] <td1231> :D
[03:03] <calc> i think the newer preinstalled Ubuntu systems will be < 30s from power on, at least for some of them
[03:03] <calc> which isn't too bad
[03:04] <bronson> Yeah, my boot is <10s not counting bios.  But bios is a good 15s.
[03:04] <bronson> Not sure what the heck those bios guys are doing in there...   Performing a few SETI@home work units or something?
[03:05] <calc> vendors are trying to get their bios as quick as possible as well, so hopefully it will get better with newer systems
[03:05] <calc> of course home built systems bios usually are extremely slow
[03:05] <calc> i think my desktop probably takes 30s+ just for the bios
[03:05] <bronson> I've long had the dream of just banging linuxbios in there with static modules.
[03:06] <bronson> Just come charging right out of the gate, just have to wait for SATA and USB to settle.
[03:06] <td1231> calc: that's a big lol :D my home built desktop has an option for "quick boot" which takes the bios about 2 seconds :D
[03:06] <calc> i've read some systems bios are already < 5s
[03:06] <bronson> That's pretty far down the round tuit list of course.
[03:06] <calc> td1231: well boards that have extra option modules that have to load and detect drives, etc are really slow :\
[03:07] <odinsbane> okay I've got an issue, more specifically I have this issue...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/305979
[03:08] <odinsbane> Mine worked until the mesa drivers were updated...yesterday maybe.
[03:08] <mysticdarkhack> has anyone install jaunty with ext4 haivng any issue?
[03:08] <jcastro> mysticdarkhack: I just did 4 today without incident
[03:09] <bronson> yes YES YES
[03:09]  * calc is staying away from ext4 until its actually stable
[03:09] <bronson> Found the ALC1200 sound fix!
[03:09] <jcastro> calc: VM installs. :D
[03:09] <calc> jcastro: ah :)
[03:09] <calc> i think it should be good for general use by Ubuntu 10.04
[03:09] <odinsbane> so ubottu says there is a fixe released.  Do I need to find it on my own?
[03:09] <crackintosh> Hello, I am speaking to you guys from ircii on a cli of ubuntu, regretfully, i dont have another machine to research my problem so I am resorting to irc. I installed the pre-release of jaunty and when I try to boot, I get no video. I have tried onboard video as well as through my radeon card. I have tried different xorg.conf's and booted in recovery mode to reset xorg.conf. could someone suggest another solution?
[03:09] <calc> especially with all those poor Fedora testers ;-)
[03:10] <mysticdarkhack> jcastro, so no problem at ur end right?
[03:10] <jcastro> none during the install
[03:10] <bronson> needed to add "options snd-hda-intel model=auto probe_mask=1" to /etc/modprobe.d
[03:10] <crackintosh> calc: fedora still exists?
[03:10] <bronson> the probe_mask=1 is the important bit.
[03:10] <calc> crackintosh: yea and the users are being guinea pigs for testing out ext4 bugs :)
[03:10] <mysticdarkhack> same here
[03:10] <bronson> Should I file a bug?
[03:10] <odinsbane> crackintosh: I just read about that somewhere, I think it is the raedon
[03:11] <mysticdarkhack> during beta install using ext4, nautilus keep flicking on me
[03:11]  * calc thinks maybe that was not as nice a way to say they get to have all the fs eating bugs... :|
[03:11] <calc> someone has to have their system killed to save the RHEl users after all :-\
[03:11] <crackintosh> odinsbane: I turned off the radeon card in the bios
[03:11] <mysticdarkhack> at least jaunty is cling to release or I should say next week
[03:12] <crackintosh> is there a command for me to downgrade :-/
[03:12] <calc> mysticdarkhack: that wasn't an ext4 bug it was a brasero bug
[03:12] <crackintosh> i dont feel like dealing with this no video problem.
[03:12] <calc> mysticdarkhack: if it is what i think you saw
[03:13] <mysticdarkhack> calc, really
[03:13] <mysticdarkhack> calc, hmm
[03:13] <calc> mysticdarkhack: brasero in some systems constantly crashed which caused nautilus to open infinite items in the taskbar
[03:13] <odinsbane> What does it mean 'fix released' does that mean it is in the package manager now?
[03:13] <calc> odinsbane: fix released means it should be fixed already probably in jaunty (or earlier?)
[03:14] <bronson> Hm, how do I file a bug in Jaunty?
[03:14] <bronson> Just go straight to launchpad.net?
[03:14] <Lilarcor> yes
[03:14] <mysticdarkhack> calc, something when you drag a windows and move around on the workspace, it crash when testing on ext4
[03:14] <Lilarcor> bronson: yes
[03:14] <bronson> Isn't there a bug-buddy or something that will snapshot my hw?
[03:14] <odinsbane> I think there could be a regression then
[03:14] <Lilarcor> bronson: you can do 'lshw'
[03:14] <jcastro> bronson: ubuntu-bug is what you want
[03:14] <mysticdarkhack> calc, well everything working now anyway on rc
[03:15] <Lilarcor> bronson: please put as many details as possible. thank you.
[03:15] <bronson> jcastro, yes...  except how do I specify the kernel?  ubuntu-bug /boot/vmlinuz?
[03:15] <jcastro> ubuntu-bug linux
[03:15] <jcastro> and it will attach all the right stuff
[03:15] <bronson> cool, thanks.
[03:15] <calc> mysticdarkhack: oh that might be a different bug then, i'm not sure
[03:16] <mysticdarkhack> calc, maybe
[03:17] <mysticdarkhack> what theme is everyone using on jaunty if I may ask?
[03:17] <jcastro> Dust!
[03:17] <calc> i'm using default with a black ubuntu background
[03:17]  * calc isn't sure where he got it anymore
[03:18] <mysticdarkhack> dust seem popular
[03:18] <jcastro> the key to dust is the awesome panel background in /usr/share/themes/Dust
[03:18] <jcastro> which unfortunately isn't applied when you switch to it
[03:18] <mysticdarkhack> what about new wave
[03:18] <tacosarecool> hmm the thing I did awhile ago seems to have side effects
[03:20] <Fizzter> Read something online regarding jaunty, was wondering if someone could tell me its legitimacy..
[03:20] <Fizzter> http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=66032
[03:20] <tacosarecool> Where the upgrade installer froze on intrepid to januty so I went back a kernel and upgraded to januty
[03:21] <tacosarecool> using the package manager
[03:22] <timboy> Is it possible to use 3 monitors yet with randr 1.3?
[03:23] <jcastro> maco: bored?
[03:23] <calc> jcastro: too bad lenovo didn't put a displayport connector on the x200 instead of vga, its only on the the slice
[03:23] <jcastro> calc: I haven't seen a displayport anywhere yet, so I think I am safe
[03:24] <Fizzter> no response? :(
[03:24] <bronson> jcastro, ubuntu-bug doesn't seem to attach any information to the bug report.
[03:24] <calc> jcastro: well displayport can convert to hdmi/dvi/vga
[03:24] <calc> jcastro: vga can't convert to anything useful :\
[03:24] <jcastro> Fizzter: I know lots of people who've lost data to XFS
[03:24] <bronson> At least, launchpad is admonishing me to run "ubuntu-bug -p linux"
[03:24] <jcastro> Fizzter: I would just backup and reinstall, shrug
[03:25] <bronson> but that's exactly what I did!
[03:25] <jcastro> bronson: ugh, stupid, this happened to me earlier, one second
[03:25] <jcastro> oh
[03:25] <Fizzter> what about ext4?
[03:25] <jcastro> you need to say ubuntu-bug -p linux-image-2.6.blah blah
[03:25] <odinsbane> how can I upgrade to the rc ?
[03:25] <jcastro> it doesn't work on metapackages or something
[03:25] <Fizzter> going to something that is so unstable seems like a bad move
[03:25] <jcastro> Fizzter: there are known dataloss bugs with ext4, but lots of people seem to run it fine
[03:25] <jcastro> if you want something stable just use ext3
[03:26] <Halow> Jaunty doesn't use ext4 by default because of that. Unless you tell it otherwise, it'll give you ext3.
[03:26] <Trewas> Fizzter: journaling filesystems survive violent shutdown, but recently modified files may be corrupted with xfs/ext4 more easily than with ext3
[03:27] <maco> jcastro: one sec
[03:27] <Halow> odinsbane: Are you presently using Jaunty? If you are, and have updated at some point today, you're using the RC.
[03:27] <bronson> jcastro, hm, ubuntu-bug -p linux-image-2.6.28-11-generic doesn't work either.
[03:28] <jcastro> hmmm
[03:28] <odinsbane> Halow: cool I just never updated very much, plus I was hoping It my fix my crash problem
[03:28] <jcastro> bronson: someone in #ubuntu-bugs probably knows what the problem is and can help you
[03:28] <bronson> This is taking too long, I'm just going to submit the bug w/o info.
[03:30] <Fizzter> more easily corrupted
[03:30] <calc> it looks like for ubuntu-bug you just use ubuntu-bug (no -p)
[03:30] <Fizzter> hmm
[03:30] <calc> at least on jaunty
[03:30]  * calc reading the source code
[03:30] <Fizzter> does that mean "likely corrupted"?
[03:30] <Fizzter> what does that mean?
[03:30] <Fizzter> it's pretty vague
[03:30] <calc> and then i think the source package name
[03:30] <Fizzter> "yeah power loss might cause you to lose data" doesn't help lol
[03:31] <calc> Fizzter: anything "written" within a certain timeframe (30s iirc?) would be lost if fsync wasn't used (fairly common)
[03:31] <maco> jdwhat's up?
[03:31] <maco> jcastro: what's up?
[03:31] <calc> however i think that there may be patches in the kernel to work around that now
[03:31] <Smegzor> after some help in #compiz it appears that the upgrade to Jaunty has broken python in some way.  I get a traceback error when I try to run ccsm.  What do I need to do to fix python?  Synaptic says I have lots or python versions installed.
[03:31] <calc> Fizzter: er not just lost but the files would end up as 0 byte
[03:32] <jcastro> maco: have you seen this? https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/+junk/iso_testing_scripts
[03:32] <Fizzter> So if I save a file, and power goes out 20 seconds later, it's lost?
[03:32] <Fizzter> this is concern for me because I literally had a power outage 2 days ago lol
[03:32] <Fizzter> so it's "on my mind"
[03:32] <jcastro> Fizzter: dude just use ext3
[03:32] <calc> Fizzter: yea.. except at least before the kernel patch not only the changes lost but the whole file
[03:32] <jcastro> and have backups
[03:32] <Halow> And get a UPS for your system!
[03:32] <calc> Fizzter: read tytso's blog if you want to know details :)
[03:33] <Trewas> Fizzter: well ext4 used to eat your data if you wrote a new version of a file and did an unclean shutdown with ~ minute, xfs is afaik similar, ext4 should be fixed in that regard
[03:33] <jcastro> maco: so basically, he fires off this script and it goes does kvm magic and he can mass-test isos.
[03:33] <jcastro> maco: I tried it but it's kind of very difficult to use if you're a normal person
[03:33] <jcastro> maco: so I was thinking, getting people around this, fix it up to be easy, so you can just tell people to run this and they can just automate testing
[03:34] <jtholmes> Fizzter,  ubuntu-bug  packagename
[03:34] <Fizzter> yikes
[03:34] <Fizzter> sounds like a really immature filesystem
[03:34] <Fizzter> I did use ext3
[03:34] <Fizzter> it's just on my mind
[03:34] <calc> Fizzter: yes and no, he didn't want to fix it since it complied with posix... but well posix sucks :)
[03:35] <Fizzter> Someone said in here the other day "what's the point of installing jaunty if you didn't use ext4?"
[03:35] <Fizzter> I guess now I have a valid answer :)
[03:35] <maco> jcastro: yes for karmic id like to make a *GUI* to do ubuntu-vm-builder magic
[03:35] <calc> later linus ranted on him a bit so i think things will probably be fixed more inline with users expectations going forward than with minimally meeting some spec
[03:35] <maco> or more generally for kvm
[03:35] <bronson> jcastro, the files WERE attached to the bug.
[03:35] <maco> because kvm is CONFUSING
[03:35] <bronson> It's just the bug editor implied that they wouldn't be.
[03:35] <jcastro> maco: what do you think about at least getting people around making this friendly?
[03:35] <maco> i mentioned this in #ubuntu-devel and got "huh? what's so hard about it?"
[03:35] <bronson> They were hidden or something.  Odd.
[03:35] <jcastro> maco: having it support whatever VMs the user uses would help too I think
[03:36] <calc> Fizzter: the answer is of course if you like your data... afaik only Fedora is going to default to ext4 for this release cycle... and i think that is to get it tested for RedHat's RHEL customers
[03:36] <jcastro> bronson: yeah it doesn't really give you good feedback on that
[03:36] <calc> Fizzter: Ubuntu might default to ext4 for 9.10 though since it should be more tested by then, and would let us shake any remaining bugs out before 10.04
[03:36] <Fizzter> isn't that released in a couple days?
[03:37] <jcastro> maco: is there a wiki page or something for these iso ideas?
[03:37] <calc> Fizzter: er 9.10 is released in 2009-10 (Oct 2009)
[03:37] <calc> Fizzter: ubuntu's release numbers are year.month
[03:38] <Fizzter> oh
[03:38] <Fizzter> OH
[03:38] <Fizzter> 9.04
[03:38] <Fizzter> got it
[03:38] <maco> jcastro: i dont know. i just know i think kvm is nice and fast but absolutely abismal to try to use
[03:38] <Fizzter> hehe
[03:38] <Fizzter> i thought 9.04 was for the beta, and when it released in a few days, it was 9.10
[03:38] <Fizzter> silly me
[03:38] <mase_work> maco: have you tried Xen :) in comparison KVM is fun
[03:38] <jcastro> maco: if it's automated and stuff I won't care too much. Plus, virt-manager isn't THAT bad.
[03:39] <mase_work> Virtmanager is nice
[03:39] <jtholmes> 9.04 beta,  9.04RC now, next week 9.04 Final
[03:39] <mase_work> in intrepid at least
[03:39] <maco> huh i wonder if that manpage still...
[03:40] <Fizzter> i installed 9.04 with wubi
[03:40] <Fizzter> gave it a whirl
[03:40] <maco> yes it does
[03:40] <maco> man virt-install still claims that --os-variant=centos5 is valid
[03:40] <mase_work> ooh dri updates today
[03:40]  * mase_work crosses fingers
[03:40] <maco> in reality, it throws errors going "why are you giving me this non-existent option?"
[03:55] <somedud3> whats the best FS to use for a slow IDE drive ?
[03:57] <Lilarcor> XFS is a nice filesystem
[03:58] <Lilarcor> win32 doesn't have fs drivers for it though
[03:59] <somedud3> so ext4 would be bad if i have a slow disk ?
[04:00] <maco> ext4 would be bad if you value your data
[04:00] <maco> if you dont mind the possibility of having all open files or recently opened files be lost in the event of a power outage, go ahead
[04:01] <macvr> hi all... is anybody having problems with launchpad? i'm not able to comment/report bugs, open url just times out!
[04:02] <somedud3> maco: im on a laptop so power outage is not a problem
[04:02] <ienorand> It is a risk, but I wouldn't say it's as bad as you make it out... I've had a couple of powercuts and no bad effect so far...
[04:02] <maco> or system crash :P
[04:02] <maco> ah with my luck im not risking it
[04:02] <maco> as i said "possibility"
[04:03] <td123> dunno, if you don't mind the possibility of problems, then go with ext4 imo
[04:03] <maco> not guaranteed, but something to be aware of if you're crud at keeping recent backups or have important data
[04:03] <Amaranth> maco: The main problems were 'fixed'
[04:03] <xangua> Hello, could anybody tell me what things causes the X's to crash (my screen lately freezes a LOT)
[04:03] <Amaranth> maco: If you do a rename over an existing file it does an fsync for you, basically
[04:03] <maco> Amaranth: fixed meaning they turned off the high-speed features? the ones that linus railed against?
[04:03] <maco> ah ok
[04:03] <jameswf> anyone seen: configure: error: mcs_path doesn't exist
[04:04] <Amaranth> maco: Other than the if a program writes a file out and doesn't fsync it it doesn't care if that file makes it to disk
[04:04] <Amaranth> s/the/that/
[04:04] <holyscott> Is it a know bug that it is next to impossible to get samba working in kubuntu (9.04 RC)??
[04:04] <somedud3> maco: i synchronize all my important docs with dropbox , so im covered there
[04:04] <maco> ok then go ahead
[04:04] <somedud3> i just want to know if its worth it to use ext4 if you have a shit harddrive
[04:04] <Amaranth> only with ext4 can you get omgawesome boot times
[04:04] <somedud3> haha
[04:04] <maco> i take backups every ...uh...whenever a friend's system crashes catastrophically and it reminds me that i should do that
[04:05] <jameswf> I booy in 30 seconds
[04:05] <maco> that means about a month ago :)
[04:05] <Amaranth> I've been running ext4 and started with alpha 2 or so (so I've got some cruft built up) and my machine boots in 20 seconds
[04:05] <maco> i boot in a crappy 35 seconds now
[04:05]  * maco scoffs
[04:05] <Amaranth> If I cleaned it up and tuned it a bit I'd probably get down to 15 seconds
[04:05] <maco> want my 22 second boots back
[04:05] <Amaranth> jcastro boots in 7 seconds :P
[04:05] <Amaranth> but he spent $700 on an Intel SSD
[04:05] <pwnguin> heh
[04:05] <maco> right...
[04:06] <bjsnider> is anybody here using the fglrx driver?
[04:06] <maco> ill try doing a clean install of kubuntu after release and see if that's faster. maybe its just fragmentation
[04:06] <pwnguin> jdong had a few boot tricks
[04:06] <pwnguin> esp for fragmentation
[04:06] <maco> yeah i know, but im not sure i trust his pyfrag
[04:06] <pwnguin> something involving piping the contents of readahead into a tar archive
[04:06] <pwnguin> and piping it back out
[04:06] <Amaranth> jdong also has a full upstart boot
[04:06] <maco> format and start over seems safer
[04:06] <maco> yes that too
[04:06] <maco> the upstart boot looks fun!
[04:06] <Amaranth> Although most of his upstart boot is just rules that call the init scripts
[04:06] <maco> id like to try it...on the *other* laptop
[04:07] <Amaranth> but before jaunty it took my machine from 40 seconds to 35 seconds so I wonder how much it'd help now
[04:07] <ienorand> hmm, my usb is not making wonders for boot time ~1min ( I timed 1.20 until I have firefox ready, same thing on xp was twice the time... and I've always considered that rather fast for xp...)
[04:08] <somedud3> whats better between reiserfs and ext3 ?
[04:08] <Amaranth> somedud3: ext3
[04:08] <Amaranth> reiserfs is unmaintained and impossible to fsck
[04:08] <HorizonXP> hey guys, i'm a Gentoo user, but Ubuntu Jaunty's shaping up to be quite nice! Congrats on a job well done.
[04:08] <macvr> hi all... is anybody having problems with launchpad? i'm not able to comment/report bugs, open url just times out!
[04:08] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: Thanks, glad you like it
[04:08] <ienorand> somedud3: well ext is the standard... but reiserfs has the added extra of murdering your wife...
[04:08] <jcastro> Amaranth: mine was $369
[04:09] <jcastro> Amaranth: and I have the "slow" one
[04:09] <Amaranth> HorizonXP: Now get back to compiling X with -fomgoptimized
[04:09] <Amaranth> :P
[04:09] <HorizonXP> LOL
[04:09] <Amaranth> jcastro: Did you update your firmware to fix the "gets slower over time" bug?
[04:09] <jcastro> Amaranth: long time no see, what's up? how's life?
[04:09] <xangua> Hello, could anybody tell me what things causes the X's to crash (my screen lately freezes a LOT)
[04:09] <jcastro> Amaranth: yeah, like, 5 minutes after it came out.
[04:09] <jcastro> Amaranth: which in hindsight seems kind of dumb
[04:09] <HorizonXP> Amaranth: why do you think I'm using Ubuntu? I'm still waiting for my Core 2 Quad to finish compiling GCC!
[04:09] <Amaranth> jcastro: I do iPhone tech support and rewrite alacarte for XFCE in my time off :)
[04:10] <jcastro> heh
[04:10] <Amaranth> jcastro: Yeah, imagine if it bricked it like that seagate firmware mess
[04:10] <Amaranth> jcastro: You must have one of the smaller drives then, 64GB?
[04:11] <jcastro> yep
[04:11] <Amaranth> ah, I would go nuts with that little space in my laptop
[04:11] <ienorand> ah, ssd...
[04:11] <Amaranth> Probably because the desktop I was using for a file server died...
[04:11] <jcastro> well, I have my desktop
[04:11] <jcastro> it's not like I keep everything on there
[04:12] <Amaranth> I really can't use multiple computers, second computer always ends up being gaming machine or file server
[04:12] <somedud3> if i use ext4 just for /boot will i still see a perf boost ?
[04:12] <somedud3> * i mean boot time boost
[04:12] <holyscott> This may be a silly question, but what does it mean when a launchpad bug is triaged??
[04:12] <Amaranth> Whenever I sit at the second computer I need a file from the first computer and vice versa
[04:12] <Amaranth> dropbox may help there
[04:12] <jcastro> holyscott: it's put from a big pile into a smaller pile.
[04:12] <ienorand> It would actually be really neat... One only needs ~20 gig max or evrything that is really actively used by the system.
[04:12] <Amaranth> somedud3: No, that won't help at all
[04:13] <jcastro> Amaranth: yeah, I just reinstalled today and I am dropboxing it still
[04:13] <mikegriffin> hiya, i may have found weird a bug in bash_completion, if someone wishes to confirm on their side
[04:13] <somedud3> what about / with ext4 but /home on xfs ?
[04:13] <ienorand> mikegriffin: shoot
[04:13] <holyscott> I'm shocked that samba file sharing not working is low priority.
[04:13] <Amaranth> holyscott: It either means the bug was reported upstream and we're done with it until upstream fixes it or that we've figured out the problem but no one is actively working on it yet
[04:13] <jcastro> Amaranth: the db guys just said in a forum that they have dropboxes talking to themselves on a LAN, so like, that could all be done on your internal network
[04:14] <Amaranth> jcastro: Yeah, that's what I'd do
[04:14] <jcastro> Amaranth: I rsync it first then I hook up db
[04:14] <Amaranth> Need to get a new monitor and HDD for my desktop first though
[04:14] <mikegriffin> ienorand: nm, this is a redhat box. i thought i was local
[04:14] <Amaranth> newegg has this awesome 22" samsung with built-in speakers and a tv tuner, drop that on my desktop and I've got a monitor, TV, and Wii display all in one
[04:15] <holyscott> Amaranth: Thank you..
[04:16] <ienorand> bleh, don't talk about newegg, just saw their ~50$ international shipping fees, bleh, bleh
[04:18] <pwnguin> Amaranth: i got an lcd from dell a few years ago
[04:18] <pwnguin> vga, dvi, svideo and composite inputs
[04:18] <jcastro> me too, I got two of their 22's
[04:18] <jcastro> Esomething
[04:18] <Amaranth> pwnguin: This has HDMI, VGA, DVI, and composite, iirc
[04:19] <Amaranth> weird resolution though
[04:19] <Amaranth> like 1320x788 or something
[04:19] <pwnguin> heh
[04:19] <pwnguin> for 22"?
[04:19] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:19] <pwnguin> not worth hdmi
[04:19] <pwnguin> this is a 20.1 inch 1600x1200
[04:20] <Amaranth> as a monitor it'll probably only get used to see what is happening to my desktop and for watching movies from the desktop so I don't need high resolution
[04:20] <Amaranth> obviously the Wii can't overdo it
[04:20] <Amaranth> wtf, someone seriously screwed IO in the kenrel
[04:20] <Amaranth> kernel*
[04:20] <Amaranth> running apt-get upgrade should _not_ make my entire computer stop responding for 15 seconds
[04:21] <pwnguin> how fast is your disk?
[04:21] <Amaranth> 5400rpm
[04:21] <Amaranth> It doesn't happen in OS X :P
[04:21] <pwnguin> i was thinking in mb/sec
[04:21] <maco> screwed worse than before?
[04:21]  * maco ducks
[04:21] <Amaranth> maco: Yes, sadly
[04:22] <holyscott> Is it normal that copying hundreds of gigs to a usb external drive puts my cpu at 100% usage?
[04:22] <Amaranth> pwnguin: I dunno, 40MB/s?
[04:22] <Amaranth> I'll tell you when the upgrade finishes
[04:22] <pwnguin> Amaranth: clearly not fast enough that IO should block on the CPU
[04:22] <pwnguin> the intel SSDs are quite fast
[04:22] <Amaranth> pwnguin: Everything else is blocking on IO
[04:23] <Amaranth> scheduler is screwed or something
[04:24] <pwnguin> how many MiB in a gigabyte?
[04:25] <holyscott> 1000
[04:25] <pwnguin> more specifically, i want to make a swap partition of 1gb worth of ram
[04:25] <holyscott> 1024
[04:25] <pwnguin> ok
[04:25] <pwnguin> you've named them both now
[04:27] <pwnguin> guess i'll just use 1024 to be on the safe side
[04:27] <holyscott> how much system ram do you have?
[04:27] <mdl-unit> Did anybody else have bash break recently?
[04:27] <pwnguin> 1GB
[04:27] <holyscott> I would maybe do 2 gig swap
[04:27] <pwnguin> why
[04:27] <holyscott> which disto?
[04:28] <pwnguin> am i in the right channel?
[04:28] <Jordan_U> mdl-unit, Break in what way?
[04:28] <holyscott> more for kde less for gnome
[04:28] <pwnguin> ive never had a problem with my current setup
[04:28] <pwnguin> im testing out restore from backup
[04:29] <pwnguin> and clearly jwz was right
[04:29] <mdl-unit> Jordan_U, I couldn't launch a shell, it would hang at full CPU usage and never get to the prompt.  I managed to fix it after much trial and error
[04:30] <Amaranth> pwnguin: right about what? :)
[04:30] <pwnguin> Amaranth: his backup strategy
[04:30] <mdl-unit> I couldn't even reinstall the package, it would break because I guess dpkg depends on bash to do some of its stuff.  I had to delete /bin/bash and create a symlink from /bin/sh to /bin/bash to make it work!
[04:30] <Amaranth> pwnguin: don't bother?
[04:30] <pwnguin> just buy a 2nd disk, and rsync it daily
[04:30] <Jordan_U> mdl-unit, I have noticed that logging in at a tty sometimes takes a long time
[04:31] <pwnguin> you'll have a hot spare always ready to go
[04:32] <pwnguin> i thought id be clever and use a NAS to store the backups
[04:32] <holyscott> is there a website you are following directions from on how to set it up?
[04:33] <pwnguin> just making it up as i go along
[04:35] <pwnguin> jwz.livejournal.com/801607.html
[04:36] <pwnguin> there you go scott
[04:36] <BHSPitMonkey> Anybody else have big problems with Java on jaunty?
[04:36] <BHSPitMonkey> (64-bit)
[04:36] <holyscott> Thank you pwnguin i'll read that over
[04:36] <holyscott> see if I want to try that out
[04:37] <CoasterMaster> !flash
[04:41] <holyscott> pwnguin: You've had it auto backing up everyday?
[04:41] <SandGorgon> guys - is it possible to rsync RC iso by having a beta ISO ?
[04:42] <holyscott> there is a simple cdupgrade on the alternate iso
[04:43] <J-_> Is it possible to get the pulse audio colume applet to show each application(with sound) so I can adjust it accordingly within the applet.
[04:43] <pwnguin> holyscott: not yet. just once
[04:43] <Halow> J-_: You want the application "pavuman".
[04:44] <holyscott> are you haveing to restore it, or testing it?
[04:44] <pwnguin> holyscott: more to the point, im not using jwz's guide
[04:44] <pwnguin> but its getting clear the path im walking is insanity
[04:44] <holyscott> what rsync command line did you use?
[04:44] <pwnguin> none
[04:44] <pwnguin> ive got about seven backup tools im looking at. the first one is sbackup
[04:44] <holyscott> sudo rsync -vaxE --delete --ignore-errors / /Volumes/Backup/
[04:45] <holyscott> nothing like that?
[04:45] <J-_> Halow: Cool, thanks. I'll look at it. :)
[04:45] <pwnguin> simple-backup is an old Ubuntu SoC project
[04:45] <pwnguin> its gui based
[04:45] <SandGorgon> holyscott - I am not able to google for cdupgrade. any pointers on where to get it?
[04:45] <holyscott> rsync would only update, or change what is added or changed?
[04:45] <holyscott> sandg
[04:45] <holyscott> let me get it for you
[04:45] <holyscott> it was very hard for me to find
[04:46] <holyscott> but it upgraded my beta to rc in like 5 min, cause I already had all the newest updates.
[04:46] <pwnguin> rsync is a fast way to move changes from one place to another
[04:46] <SandGorgon> holyscott: appreciate it
[04:46] <holyscott> to start you need to dl the alternate iso and burn a cd
[04:46] <pwnguin> jwz's technique has the advantage of being dead simple at the expense of being expensive
[04:47] <holyscott> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[04:47] <SandGorgon> I'm trying rsync -vvhP on my beta ISO and it does some symlinking to ../.pool/<something.iso> and quits
[04:48] <pwnguin> holyscott: obviously jwz uses a mac and a translation will be needed for his guide and ubuntu
[04:49] <Amaranth> J-_: The pulseaudio one does that by default
[04:50] <Amaranth> J-_: Ubuntu does not use the pulseaudio one by default though, we use the old applet one
[04:51]  * Amaranth wonders why a file transfer would make CPU usage spike
[04:51] <Amaranth> I'd probably be lagging badly if I didn't have dual core
[04:51] <pwnguin> Amaranth: the usual culprit is missing dma
[04:51] <holyscott> Amaranth: over usb/?
[04:51] <Amaranth> holyscott: yep
[04:51] <Amaranth> copying to my ipod
[04:51] <pwnguin> or stupid usb
[04:51] <holyscott> that is the same problem I am having
[04:52] <holyscott> I have spent 6 hours doing a 300 gig backup to my external usb drive
[04:52] <PhotoJim> Amaranth: USB is a pretty "dumb" hardware interface.  very CPU intensive.
[04:52] <Amaranth> man, I've been getting terrible regressions since 8.04
[04:52] <pwnguin> apparently greg k-h thought usb belonged in userspace
[04:52] <pwnguin> but this is not anything new
[04:52] <holyscott> it is surposed to be going at 30 meg a second, and is moving at 3 meg a second.
[04:52] <J_-> Pavuman isn't in the repos
[04:52] <holyscott> would it be faster to stop it and do it in windows?
[04:52] <pwnguin> Amaranth: the other option is spinlocks
[04:53] <PhotoJim> holyscott: My experience has been that Ubuntu is as fast or faster at USB than Windows is.
[04:53] <pwnguin> Amaranth: here's an idea: install powertop and see what's cranking
[04:53] <holyscott> I have 75 more gigs to go.
[04:53] <Amaranth> pwnguin: err, or just top
[04:53] <pwnguin> im assuming you already knew that
[04:54] <Halow> J-_: Install padevchooser? I know it installs pavuman for sure.
[04:54] <pwnguin> powertop will reveal any insane interrupt timeouts for usb stupidity
[04:54] <Amaranth> pwnguin: rescheduling interrupts (process hoping between cores) and extra timer interrupts
[04:54] <Amaranth> It's probably gio/gvfs
[04:54] <Amaranth> hopping*
[04:54] <PhotoJim> holyscott: btw 30 MB/s is optimistic for USB 2.0.  it's possible, but I tend to get about 20-22 MB/s over USB 2.0.
[04:55] <holyscott> anything would be better then the 3-5 I have been getting
[04:55] <somedud3> how much space do you need for ubuntu on average ??
[04:55] <PhotoJim> holyscott: lots of reasons why your rate could be that slow.  the device might be slow.  or using multiple devices on one USB channel.  or the write speed of where you're sending data to.
[04:56] <holyscott> using windows speed test that drive ususally gets 25-30 meg.
[04:56] <PhotoJim> holyscott: megabits or megabytes?
[04:56] <holyscott> this is just first time I have done huge backup to notice.
[04:56] <holyscott> MiBs
[04:57] <PhotoJim> holyscott: dunno, I've never seen that sort of speed discrepancy.
[04:57] <pwnguin> well
[04:58] <pwnguin> some devices are notoriously bad at throughput
[04:58] <pwnguin> they'll do okay at small tests
[04:58] <pwnguin> but tank on bigger ones
[04:58] <pwnguin> esp flash based stuff
[04:59] <holyscott> my 16 gig flash card is faster then my 640 gig external drive
[05:00] <holyscott> how do I use powertop, just run it, or should I be enabling any context?
[05:01] <PhotoJim> I actually don't know, I use top and htop.  I hadn't heard of powertop before tonight.
[05:01] <PhotoJim> top is installed by default.
[05:01] <holyscott> its showing me that my usb is using 60% cpu, and ehci / usb is using another 30%
[05:01] <pwnguin> powertop wants sudo access to some of the power stuff
[05:02] <holyscott> nothing is usb, showed up in top, or htop
[05:02] <holyscott> SandGorgon: did that help you out at all?
[05:02] <pwnguin> someone should check the ubuntu gitlog for usb changes
[05:03] <SandGorgon> holyscott - got the cdupgrade script. trying to use it, because i'm not able to get rsync to work
[05:03] <holyscott> that is why I was asking about rsync, I formated my external, and was gonna do a fresh copy over, didn't know it would take 10 hours.
[05:04] <holyscott> did you DL the alt cd? or just the script?
[05:04] <PhotoJim> the first copy takes a long time.  rsync makes the updates faster.
[05:04] <holyscott> that is what I should have done
[05:04] <SandGorgon> i had an older alternate cd - so just got the script off it. a variables need modification
[05:04] <pwnguin> if the destination is way out of sync with the source
[05:04] <holyscott> would you know the ideal rsync comand line to do it?
[05:04] <pwnguin> its gotta send over all the changes
[05:04] <pwnguin> whcih is everything
[05:05] <J-_> Halow: http://bigbrovar.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/control-pulseaudio-streams-with-gnome-pulse-applet/ is pretty much what I was going for. I installed gnome-volume-control-pulse as it looked like the correct package, but I don't think it is. And the packages from the URL from the site doesn't have a jaunty app. Figured it was the same. hehe
[05:05] <pwnguin> tridge has a good lecture on the design of rsync
[05:05] <SandGorgon> i use rsync -avvhhP rsync://url .
[05:05] <holyscott> I am only talking about a few 100 megs different on a weekly basis
[05:05] <pwnguin> holyscott: the initial change will take time
[05:05] <pwnguin> but after that
[05:06] <Halow> J-_: Yeah, at some point when I started using Jaunty (I think it was... alpha 4) there was something by default that did it. It went out shortly thereafter.
[05:07] <somedud3> how come when i write some files from linux onto my windows data partition, the files do not show up in windows ?
[05:07] <J-_> Halow: Ah I see.
[05:11] <mjs7231> hey guys quick question.. :)
[05:11] <mjs7231> I just installed Ubuntu 9.04 RC1 and everything seems great so far
[05:11] <mjs7231> only problem is I am not seeing the NVidia proprietory drivers
[05:12] <mjs7231> is there something I need to do?
[05:12] <holyscott> yeah
[05:12] <holyscott> the is drivers tool
[05:12] <mjs7231> can you elaborate on that a little, I don't know what that is
[05:12] <somedud3> how come when i write some files from linux onto my windows data partition, the files do not show up in windows ?
[05:13] <holyscott> should be called hardware drivers
[05:13] <Halow> mjs7231: System>Administration>Hardware Drivers.
[05:13] <holyscott> I am in kubuntu, so may be different
[05:13] <mjs7231> ok, I have that loaded..
[05:13] <mjs7231> and its just blank
[05:13] <mjs7231> 2 panels with nothing in it
[05:13] <holyscott> what video card?
[05:13] <mjs7231> NVidia geforce
[05:13] <holyscott> that narrows it down to like 200
[05:14] <mjs7231> I just came from the 32bit version of 8.10 and I know it was running the proprietory drivers
[05:14] <holyscott> which series
[05:14] <mjs7231> 2 sec
[05:14] <mjs7231> e-Geforce 7600 GT KO, GDDR 3, 256 MB, PCI-E
[05:15] <SandGorgon> guys.. any idea where is the kubuntu desktop cdimage. i want to rsync with it and cant see it
[05:16] <mjs7231> Second question.. I installed 64 bit so I would be able to see the full 4GB I have installed.. but it looks like its only seeing 3.2GB. :(
[05:17] <rww> mjs7231: what's the output of uname -a?
[05:17] <mjs7231> Linux pkkid-desktop 2.6.28-11-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 8 04:39:23 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:17] <holyscott> Do any of you guru's use samba file sharing at all?
[05:17] <mjs7231> I do a little.
[05:18] <holyscott> gnome or kde?
[05:18] <mjs7231> but im no guru
[05:18] <mjs7231> gnome
[05:18] <rww> mjs7231: okay. Can you copy the output of "cat /proc/meminfo" to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and link the page it creates here, please?
[05:18] <holyscott> its seeming to be broken in kde, and kubuntu
[05:18] <mjs7231> rww, 2 seconds
[05:19] <mjs7231> rww, http://pastebin.com/m5102d0d5
[05:19] <mjs7231> holyscott, Did you not know about the Nvidia driver?
[05:19] <dougmmms> are there known issues with 9.04 RC and flash video performing poorly (i.e. the video is choppy, flash eating up cpu/ram)
[05:20] <holyscott> I have the nvidia driver working fine on my 8800gts
[05:20] <mjs7231> holyscott, I don't know about KDE samba.. I am strictly a gnome user
[05:20] <dougmmms> i'm using adobe flash 10.x
[05:20] <mjs7231> holyscott, You just load the Hardware Drivers UI and it showed up?  Nothing more?
[05:20] <holyscott> none of the control panels work to configre smb
[05:21] <xangua> dougmmms: it is normal to flash to be buggy in GNU
[05:21] <dougmmms> flash has generally performed fine for me
[05:21] <xangua> i use a script for Youtube videos to play them wih my local player
[05:21] <dougmmms> during the last few releases at least
[05:21] <xangua> that way my ram usage is down
[05:21] <rww> dougmmms: it works fine for me using the plugin on Adobe's site, too
[05:22] <dougmmms> rww, hmmm. i've tried both the one provided in the repos as well as the one from adobe
[05:23] <rww> mjs7231: that's odd. What type of graphics card do you have?
[05:23] <mjs7231> rww, e-Geforce 7600 GT KO, GDDR 3, 256 MB, PCI-E
[05:25] <wgrant> xangua: You can search and play YouTube in the normal Ubuntu video and audio player, at Application->Sound and Video->Movie Player. You then select YouTube in the sidebar, and search away. No need for extra scripts.
[05:27] <mjs7231> rww, Its also odd because I am not seeing the proprietary drivers (that existed when I was running 32 bit 8.10)
[05:27] <rww> mjs7231: for which hardware?
[05:27] <mjs7231> rww, The graphics card
[05:27] <rww> mjs7231: which card do you have?
[05:27] <mjs7231> rww,  e-Geforce 7600 GT KO, GDDR 3, 256 MB, PCI-E
[05:28] <rww> mjs7231: oh, sorry, forgot you already told me.
[05:28] <mjs7231> no problem. :)
[05:28] <somedud3> is there any disadvantage to install ubuntu on a logical partition ?
[05:29] <rww> somedud3: no, it works fine
[05:29] <rww> mjs7231: can you pastebin "sudo lshw -sanitize", please? It'll output a bunch of information about your computer, including info on your installed memory and graphics card.
[05:29] <J-_> http://code.google.com/p/gnome-pulse-applet/wiki/Screenshots Compiled that bad-bitty
[05:30] <dougmmms> hmmm, this is a bit frustrating.  9.04 is working quite well besides the flash issue.  time to investigate/bug report.
[05:30] <xangua> is someone there having freezes issues ¿?
[05:31] <xangua> i have a lot recentyl
[05:31] <mjs7231> rww, http://pastebin.com/m1862f7c6
[05:32] <frybye> hi - just reading the release notes for the release candidate.. am not shure about this LABEL=home and LABEL=output thing.. if I have been installing all updates since beta release do I actually need to fix something myself or not?
[05:33] <mjs7231> rww, I doubt it, but could all this have anything to do with the fact that im runnign ext4?
[05:33] <rww> mjs7231: I don't think so, no.
[05:34] <wgrant> xangua: What type of graphics card? Running ext4?
[05:35] <xangua> yes with ext4 and a Mobile Intel Graphic Media wgrant
[05:35] <wgrant> xangua: Were you deleting files at the time?
[05:36] <xangua> no, just using as normaly jum
[05:36] <wgrant> xangua: Switching windows or tabs or desktops?
[05:36] <xangua> with Compiz ¿?
[05:36] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:37] <xangua> yes normaly when using compiz to switch windows
[05:37] <mjs7231> rww, Its late, im headed to bed.. thanks for looking a bit into this, but I'll need to continue tomorrow
[05:37] <wgrant> xangua: OK, that's a known -intel bug.
[05:37] <rww> mjs7231: okay. One suggestion to try tomorrow:
[05:37] <wgrant> xangua: It is being worked on.
[05:37] <xangua> ooh, and it will be fixed in the final release '¿
[05:37] <xangua> i hope so
[05:38] <rww> mjs7231: go into your BIOS and see if there's a memory remapping option, or something named similarly. If it's off, turn it on.
[05:38] <xangua> or i will have to return to Long Term versión
[05:38] <wgrant> xangua: Hopefully, but it's a hard problem.
[05:38] <mjs7231> rww, Thanks, writing that down now. :)
[05:39] <mjs7231> rww, and no idea yet on the NVidia driver issue?
[05:39] <rww> mjs7231: I don't know about your graphics driver problem, though. I don't have much experience with nvidia
[05:39] <mjs7231> rww, Cool thanks alot! :)
[05:39] <rww> mjs7231: you're welcome. Good luck :)
[05:39] <mjs7231> rww, I may reinstall with ext3 as well tomorrow
[05:39] <mjs7231> seems like people are still having issues
[05:40] <mjs7231> ok, goodnight
[05:40] <mjs7231> thanks again
[05:41] <dougmmms> hmmm.  ok, maybe i was wrong about everything being fine.  basic system specs:  intel core 2 duo 2.00ghz 3gb ram intel graphics.  i updated from 8.10 to 9.04RC today.  i only have x-chat and songbird running right now, but both CPUs are running around 50%
[05:41] <partitionprobs> Hello if i order a free copy of kubuntu now will i get this new one?
[05:41] <dougmmms> ram usage around 475mb
[05:41] <Zarlan> @partionprobs, I think you have to wait for the final release before they put it on the cds
[05:42] <stefanlsd> Does anyone else have an issue with a Dell internal 3g card not being detected after boot up?
[05:42] <dougmmms> ah ok
[05:42] <partitionprobs> When is it going to be release
[05:42] <mase_work> stefanlsd: yeh i was trying to get one working the other day but i never actually tried it with intrepid
[05:42] <dougmmms> according to top, xorg is running around 40% cpu on average, using 4.5% (of 3gb) ram
[05:42] <mase_work> so i have no idea if it ever worked
[05:43] <dougmmms> that's insane
[05:43] <mase_work> dougmmms: which driver ?
[05:43] <stefanlsd> mase_work: intrepid was fine. jaunty seems to have an issue
[05:43] <mase_work> stefanlsd: k
[05:43] <dougmmms> mase_work, it's an integrated intel card.  i'm not sure how to look up the driver.
[05:43] <wgrant> dougmmms: Do you get lots of output after a while if you run 'tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log'?
[05:44] <mase_work> dougmmms: you  need to use UXA
[05:44] <admin_masu3701> when is 9.04 comin out?
[05:44] <partitionprobs> Well thanks for your help whale oil beef hooked
[05:44] <wgrant> dougmmms: That's the 'intel' driver.
[05:44] <wgrant> mase_work: Not necessarily.
[05:44] <wgrant> admin_masu3701: In a week.
[05:44] <admin_masu3701> wgrant: will it be different thn the beta
[05:44] <dougmmms> wgrant, about 10ish lines
[05:45] <wgrant> dougmmms: Nothing more is spewing out.
[05:45] <admin_masu3701> had the beta installed but had wireless card problem
[05:45] <mase_work> wgrant: well if his cpu is pegged i am guessing UXA would help.
[05:45] <wgrant> admin_masu3701: Of course. Lots of bug fixes.
[05:45] <dougmmms> wgrant, nope, not yet at least
[05:45] <mase_work> might not be stable though
[05:45] <wgrant> mase_work: Not necessarily. It can even have the opposite effect.
[05:45] <wgrant> dougmmms: OK, that's unfortunate... Try killing gnome-settings-daemon.
[05:45] <dougmmms> wgrant, ok, one second
[05:45] <Lint01> does anyone know when new fglrx is out?
[05:46] <wgrant> dougmmms: Sorry, I have to leave now.
[05:46]  * wgrant -> gone
[05:46] <mase_work> Lint01:  fglrx is a binary only driver, you have to ask ATI
[05:46] <admin_masu3701> can i install dreamweaver in ubuntu 8.10
[05:47] <rww> Lint01: Which graphics card do you have?
[05:47] <rww> admin_masu3701: Ask in #ubuntu.
[05:47] <mase_work> admin_masu3701: depends, does adobe make an Ubuntu version of dreamweaver ?
[05:47] <lamalex> does anyone know seahorse on jaunty is missing the 'backup keyrings' menu option?
[05:47] <Lint01> rww: radeon x1300
[05:47] <Amun> When is the release date of Jaunty ?
[05:47] <dougmmms> mase_work, do you think if i run the restore to default line found in the x.org file, something may happen (i.e. magical fix)?
[05:47] <rww> Amun: 23rd
[05:47] <Amun> of this month?
[05:47] <partitionprobs> Yes.
[05:47] <Amun> oh shi...
[05:48] <mase_work> dougmmms: not sure sorry. intel in jaunty is still broken. it may or may not get fixed before jaunty is released
[05:48] <Amun> I'll just wait to download it then...
[05:48] <mase_work> i have an intel card too
[05:48] <mase_work> so i hope it does
[05:48] <hifi> radeon 9600 no dri in jaunty, anyone else having this problem?
[05:48] <mase_work> but its a whole new x server
[05:48] <mase_work> so its not exactly easy
[05:48] <dougmmms> mase_work, that's odd. i would think it would be the easiest to get working
[05:49] <mase_work> dougmmms: well the driver is in flux atm
[05:49] <hifi> intel is borked too?
[05:49] <mase_work> they are moving to GEM
[05:49] <HorizonXP> my ubuntu install in KVM froze while doing Update Manager, and now my install is borked
[05:49] <HorizonXP> i got back to a GUI and have a network connection with working apt-get
[05:49] <dougmmms> mase_work, ah right
[05:49] <dougmmms> guess i jumped the gun (to 9.04) a bit early :P
[05:49] <mase_work> yeh
[05:50] <mase_work> its in development
[05:50] <dougmmms> i know
[05:50] <dougmmms> i was curious
[05:50] <mase_work> and jaunty isn't designed to be LTS either
[05:50] <HorizonXP> apparently there are issues with some packages not being configured yet?
[05:50] <mase_work> so its not guaranteed to not break a whole bunch of stuff
[05:50] <rww> Lint01: the new version of fglrx only supports R600 and higher cards. The x1300 is a R520 card.
[05:50] <dougmmms> mase_work, wait now... you're saying any non-LTS release could result in a completely unusable system?
[05:51] <rww> Lint01: The release notes at http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview#X.Org%20server%201.6 have more information about this.
[05:51] <dougmmms> canonical certainly doesn't advertise that
[05:51] <mase_work> dougmmms: not completely unusable
[05:51] <mase_work> it will be useable
[05:51] <dougmmms> i understand that this is an RC
[05:51] <dougmmms> and not stable
[05:51] <mase_work> they don't want regressions but there are gonig to be some
[05:51] <mase_work> some people won't want to upgrade to jaunty
[05:51] <mase_work> intrepid will be better for them
[05:52] <dougmmms> i actually had more regressions in the last LTS than any other release
[05:52] <mase_work> dougmmms: sure but they got fixed :)
[05:52] <J-_> Hrm, I don't how people are having so much problems with pulseaudio. I'm running it perfectly. I love it with the applet I compiled. I like how I can adjust each program per channel accordingly. But, what would rock even more is if I could do that in the default applet, WITH a 10 band EQ with preamp settings(similar to Banshee's EQ, but running system wide.
[05:52] <dougmmms> mase_work, what's the point of calling it an LTS then? :)
[05:52] <mase_work> dougmmms: because thats exactly it
[05:52] <mase_work> it gets support
[05:52] <mase_work> if stuff is broken they continue to fix it
[05:53] <dougmmms> mase_work, i understand.  but all releases get support for 18 months.
[05:53] <mase_work> security yest
[05:53] <mase_work> yes
[05:53] <dougmmms> if you release an LTS, it damn well better work out of the box
[05:53] <crackintosh> is anyone running ati with jaunty? I havent been able to figure out of the offical proprietary ati drivers work with jaunty yet.
[05:53] <mase_work> bugfixes not necessarily
[05:53] <Lint01> rww: there's written that R5xx is supported by included driver with 3D, but it does not
[05:53] <mase_work> it usually gets put into the next +1
[05:53] <mase_work> hardy, the LTS is now rock solid
[05:54] <dougmmms> i'm sure it is
[05:54] <dougmmms> but that's a backwards philosophy
[05:54] <mase_work> how so ?
[05:54] <dougmmms> hardy should be rock solid right away
[05:54] <dougmmms> then regressions can begin in the next releases
[05:54] <mase_work> well it was /is for most people
[05:54] <HorizonXP> phew, i think i fixed it
[05:55] <mase_work> you can't rule out regressions
[05:55] <mase_work> you will always get regressions
[05:55] <dougmmms> ok, well, a few issues are fine
[05:55] <mase_work> you can't write non buggy software
[05:55] <dougmmms> very small ones
[05:55] <tacosarecool> hmm will having a swap file make ubuntu faster?
[05:55] <mase_work> yeh hardy was mostly small issues
[05:55] <dougmmms> nothing is perfect
[05:55] <mase_work> hardy had few regressions
[05:55] <mase_work> overall
[05:55] <mase_work> if you hit a few of them then you were unfortunately
[05:55] <crdlb> what you fail to understand is that a small issue overall might be a big issue for you
[05:55] <mase_work> unfortunate*
[05:56] <dougmmms> oh well, i'm not complaining, i like ubuntu
[05:56] <rww> Lint01: Take a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bugs and see if there's a relevant bug report already. If not, make one.
[05:56] <crdlb> until hardware manufactures stop being terrible, there will always be driver-related bugs
[05:56] <crdlb> and they're getting worse, tbh
[05:56] <hifi> Lint01: you have the same problem than I do?
[05:57] <mase_work> crdlb: this is true. we really need the companies to look after their own drivers in the kernel
[05:57] <dougmmms> one of my biggest complaints right now concerns firefox.  if you download a file w/out a known default application to open it, you're forced to go to /usr/bin/ to find the binary.
[05:57] <crdlb> eh
[05:57] <Leemp> Question: Is that Ext4 bug fixed with the RC? Thats my main concern. If it is, i'll be upgrading my main systems to 9.04.. if not.. heh
[05:58] <tacosarecool> no it will be fixed in final
[05:58] <Leemp> bummer, k
[05:58] <Leemp> thanks
[05:58] <dougmmms> brb
[05:58] <xangua> dougmmms: i have no issues with FF opening the downloads
[05:58] <crdlb> Leemp: why not just use ext3 :/
[05:58] <Leemp> crdlb: Because i want ext4 :o
[05:59] <tacosarecool> I
[05:59] <tacosarecool> oops
[05:59] <Leemp> crdlb: I'm going to do a fresh install of my entire system on ext4. I don't really want to upgrade the FS.. seems odd heh
[05:59] <crdlb> before ext4 existed, you were perfectly happy with ext3 :)
[05:59] <crdlb> think about that
[05:59] <Leemp> crdlb: Not really
[05:59] <rww> crdlb: because ext4 has a bigger number than ext3, so it must be better!
[05:59] <Leemp> crdlb: I'm actually eagerly awaiting a versioned fs :P
[06:00] <Leemp> crdlb: Thats like saying "Why upgrade to 9.04? Before that, you were perfectly happy with 8.10.."
[06:00] <crdlb> not remotely
[06:00] <crdlb> one is a filesystem, and the other is a large collection of software
[06:01] <HorizonXP> my indicator-applet stopped working
[06:01] <Leemp> crdlb: Both of which you have an opinion on, which allows you to make a decision to upgrade or not.
[06:01] <mase_work> just thank your lucky stars your not using windows, otherwise you would have NTFS
[06:01] <tacosarecool> , because certain new features of ext4 can also be used with ext3
[06:01] <HorizonXP> wait
[06:01] <Leemp> mase_work: +1
[06:01] <mase_work> or worse a Mac with HFS+
[06:01] <HorizonXP> LMAO
[06:01] <killedkillerb> is the sound going to be improved in jaunty or is it still a patchwork of broken drivers?
[06:01] <tacosarecool> so it will improve performance
[06:01] <HorizonXP> i just ddidn't know how it worked, nv
[06:01] <HorizonXP> nvm
[06:01] <mase_work> killedkillerb: the latter
[06:01] <tacosarecool> what is so special about hfs+?
[06:02] <Zarlan> what killed your indicator?
[06:02] <mase_work> tacosarecool: erm...well its special..in the special school way
[06:02] <mase_work> actually makes NTFS look decent
[06:02] <Leemp> crdlb: My main reason? I read its faster. Though i don't really want to upgrade the FS, so i want to do a fresh install. Which means backing stuff up, formatting, and copying over later. Why now (if i could?)? Because i'd rather get it done with.
[06:02] <HorizonXP> Zarlan: i'm running jaunty in KVM. it froze while doing updates, which borked a lot of packages. managed to fix them, but i thought indicator-applet was screwed up still
[06:03] <Zarlan> kk
[06:03] <HorizonXP> turns out, that i forgot that it only works when something like pidgin is open
[06:03] <Leemp> crdlb: Though, i do enjoy explaining my reasoning for upgrading.
[06:03] <killedkillerb> is 10.04 going to have sound fixed?
[06:03] <mase_work> Leemp: reiserfs is faster than ext3, so is XFS and JFS
[06:03] <crdlb> I give up, you're too far gone
[06:03] <mase_work> you can use them right now
[06:03] <Zarlan> yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about the indicator still, they fixed it a lot since alpha 2 though
[06:03] <mase_work> but i would still recommend ext3
[06:03] <Leemp> mase_work: Blech, i choose to use the more mainstream fs
[06:03] <HorizonXP> Zarlan: it's confusing to me. i closed pidgin, and I was like, wth, where'd it go?
[06:03] <crdlb> exactly, ext4 is _not_ mainstream
[06:03] <mase_work> Leemp: they are more mainstream that ext4
[06:04] <mase_work> ext4 is far from mainstream
[06:04] <crdlb> there is only one mainstream fs, and it is called ext3
[06:04] <HorizonXP> cuz i'm used to it showing up in the systray as its own icon
[06:04] <Zarlan> ext4 is about to be mainstream
[06:04] <tacosarecool> n ext4 filesystem can be mounted as an ext3 partition (using "ext3" as the filesystem type when mounting)
[06:04] <Zarlan> it's incorporated in most of the major distros now
[06:04] <Leemp> crdlb: So ext4 will not be the default in 9.04?
[06:04] <HorizonXP> ext4 is awesome. i've been running it on my gentoo machines for a few months now
[06:04] <mase_work> Zarlan: hmm its not mainstream till everyone is using it
[06:04] <Leemp> crdlb: 9.04 will not make ext4 mainstream? Its sticking with ext3?
[06:04] <crdlb> eventually, there will be a replacement for ext3 that is mainstream, and _then_ I will switch (... at a convenient time)
[06:04] <mase_work> which they are far from doing
[06:04] <HorizonXP> Leemp: that's correct
[06:04] <Zarlan> mase_work: by that logic only mainstream fs is NTFS
[06:04] <Zarlan> or maybe FAT32
[06:05] <xangua> Leemp: you will have the option to use ext3 or ext4
[06:05] <Leemp> HorizonXP: Well then perhaps i should take crdlb's advice and stick with what i have. God forbid i change anything.
[06:05] <xangua> just that ext4 is not going to be the default
[06:05] <mase_work> Zarlan: well mainstream in the  Linux world,
[06:05] <Zarlan> XD
[06:05] <HorizonXP> I don't see the harm in sticking with ext3 for now
[06:05] <mase_work> i would stay with ext3
[06:05] <mase_work> unless you dont' mind a regular re-install
[06:05] <HorizonXP> i think Ubuntu should make ext4 default in 9.10, and then have the bugs worked out so that it's default for 10.04 LTS
[06:05] <mase_work> and i cetainly wouldn't use ext4 for /home
[06:06] <Zarlan> Just because of stability? I haven't had any trouble running ext4 since alpha
[06:06] <Leemp> crdlb: I swear, it perplexes me that i have to explain my desire to upgrade something to someone. Perhaps if i knew you in real life i would loathe your personality to the point of understanding why you choose to argue "why not stick with what you have!", but perhaps its best i don't.
[06:06] <mase_work> Zarlan: you will :)
[06:06] <HorizonXP> what stability issues is everyone harping about?
[06:06] <crdlb> it's a filesystem
[06:06] <Zarlan> not yet, xorg is killing me but fs is trouble free. I'd even say it's sitting pretty
[06:06] <crdlb> that strikes me as the very last thing you play with
[06:06] <askvictor> I get a "Hash Sum mismatch" while apt-get updating - using two different sources.
[06:07] <Leemp> crdlb: I don't want to play with it. I want to use it when its stable. From the sounds of it, they intend that to be when 9.04 is released. Which im waiting for, as i said.
[06:07] <HorizonXP> Leemp: then use it. what's the problem?
[06:07] <HorizonXP> Leemp: when you're installing ubuntu, choose Manual disk partitioning, and take it from there.
[06:08] <Leemp> HorizonXP: crdlb.   Its worked for you so far!"
[06:10]  * crdlb imagines Leemp not making terrible analogies
[06:11] <Leemp> Good luck with that one.
[06:11] <Leemp> :)
[06:11] <DanaG> s/analog/digital/ crdlb
[06:11] <DanaG> =P
[06:11] <DanaG> yeah, it makes no sense.
[06:11] <Leemp> crdlb: Keep trying though, assuming its worked for you so far.
[06:12] <Leemp> *sleeps*
[06:14] <tacosarecool> I'm going to see if I can get internet in kubuntu now
[06:17] <mattik> Is the flash and fglrx fixed already?
[06:18] <mattik> I can't install flash and fglrx doesn't work
[06:19] <voidmage> where does ubiquity make a log file?
[06:19] <td123> does anyone know a good screen recording program ( i want to capture a bug on screen)
[06:22] <voidmage> is anyone else having trouble with installing jaunty rc from the livecd?
[06:24] <fakeer> Please check what's wrong with newly installed wicd. It connects to wireless ntwork but not internet.   http://paste.ubuntu.com/152583/
[06:30] <dougmmms> using UXA has increased performance considerably
[06:30] <dougmmms> xorg, though, is still being a bit of a hog
[06:31] <td123> voidmage: I had no problems or bugs while installing the ubuntu rc
[06:31] <voidmage> hmm
[06:31] <voidmage> mine crashes near installing grub
[06:31] <voidmage> i'm currently running it in debug to get an actual log
[06:31] <dougmmms> i can play videos now without a hiccup every 5 seconds
[06:32] <td123> ok, make sure to pastebin your log and also report a bug :P
[06:32] <voidmage> what user information does the installer log in debug? i know it gets the password you put in but is there anything else i should know about?
[06:33] <td123> dunno
[06:33] <td123> just check it once you get the log
[06:38] <voidmage> yeah, it's crashing before it even gets to apport
[06:38] <voidmage> so nothing in /var/crash either
[06:41] <td123> voidmage: try running it from the console
[06:44] <dougmmms> ugh
[06:45] <dougmmms> xorg still consistently taking around 40-50% cpu.  glxgears reports hardware rendering. and invoking apport (sudo force_start=1 /etc/init.d/apport restart) doesn't bring up a crash
[06:58] <voidmage> durr, wrong error
[06:58] <voidmage> ran ubiquity from a root shell
[07:00] <Killeroid> can anyone tell me how i can reposition the new notification bubble/osd. It displays in the upper right corner of my screen but I want it to display in the lower right corner of the screen. (ps. I dont run gnome-panel)
[07:02] <bronson> Killeroid, dunno.    It's useless.
[07:03] <bronson> When I get an IM, I can't click on the notification to pull up the window and, if it's any length, it disappears when I've half-read it.
[07:03] <bronson> It's a lot more distracting than the old way, that's for sure.
[07:03] <bronson> Well, distracting's the wrong word.  Laborious.
[07:04] <Killeroid> bronson: I would turn it off except i usually minimize a lot of my apps to the tray area ad the only way to receive notifications is through that notification daemon. I have no idea why they took out the old daemon. it worked perfectly
[07:04] <bronson> Old way: notification pops up, I click on it, hit reply, I'm back to work.
[07:04] <crdlb> you can uninstall it to use the old notification-daemon
[07:04] <xangua> at least the old one did not inmediatly dissapear
[07:04] <bronson> crdlb, really?  That's good news!
[07:04] <xangua> if you putted the cursor on it you could prevent to dissapear and have more time to read
[07:05] <crdlb> doesn't putting the cursor on it make it invisible? ...
[07:05] <bronson> xangua, that's the best part of the new one.  You get the cursor near it and it disappears.  PSYCH!
[07:05] <bronson> It's like it's taunting you.
[07:06] <Killeroid> crdlb: how? whats the package name of this new daemon?
[07:06] <crdlb> bronson: yes, you can just uninstall and killall it, and the old one should be spawned automatically
[07:06] <xangua> bronson: but when the message is larger
[07:06] <crdlb> notify-osd
[07:06] <xangua> it dissapear and i hve no time to read it completly
[07:06] <xangua> fortunately i can reinstall the old one
[07:06] <xangua> but notify osd just looks great!!!
[07:07] <xangua> i can't decide
[07:07] <voidmage> *crosses fingers for the right error this time*
[07:08] <Killeroid> hmm, someone mention my nick in an sentence. i want to see if this worked
[07:09] <Tefad> Killeroid: dongle.
[07:09] <bronson> Killeroid, does notification suck lesS?
[07:09] <Tefad> dongle: Killeroid.
[07:12] <voidmage> hrm
[07:12] <voidmage> same error
[07:12] <voidmage> "the uid 0 is already in use"
[07:12] <Killeroid> brb guys, need to restar x
[07:12] <Killeroid> *restart
[07:15] <voidmage> i also have the same error as in #160822
[07:16] <Killeroid> crdlb: thanks for the tip on getting rid of the new notification daemon
[07:17] <albech> i like the new notification
[07:18] <albech> i think it looks great and works sweet, so when you move the mouse over a notification it will become invisible
[07:20] <_motti_> hi guys.  I'm using a newly installed ubuntu 9.04 and I can't install mouse cursor themes I have downloaded from gnome-looks. I tried drag and dropping them to the appearance app and looks like it install the theme but when I go to the pointer tab I don't see the new theme. I tried two different themes and they both appear in my .icon folder after installation. am I the only one with this problem?
[07:32] <voidmage> and still the same error
[07:36] <voidmage> it could be a bad burn
[07:55] <icewaterman> how can i upgrade to jaunty? the standard way via the gui doesnt seem to work (i do not get the chance to upgrade to a release candidate)
[07:56] <icewaterman> i know how to do it on debian (modify apt files and do apt-get distupgrade
[07:56] <icewaterman> but i do not know if it is safe on ubuntu
[07:56] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: I personally do not recommend people to dist-upgrade to Jaunty.
[07:57] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: how then?
[07:57] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: It is my opinion that it is too easy to break a completely good system that way, and far easier to perform a cold install.
[07:57] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: no option for me
[07:58] <icewaterman> besides, i have a backup
[07:58] <cwillu> AK_Dave, how exactly is a reinstall better, when the worst case of an upgrade is that you, uh, reinstall :p
[07:59] <AK_Dave> cwillu: You can plan for it better. You know you're going to do it. You're not rescuing a broken system/
[07:59] <cwillu> i.e, "there's 10% chance you'll die from this infection, so if you don't mind, I'm going to murder you here and now"
[07:59] <AK_Dave> cwillu: I think that is a ridiculous comparison.
[07:59] <icewaterman> anyway, there is no gui way to upgrade to the release candidate, right?
[08:00] <cwillu> icewaterman, normal updates
[08:00] <icewaterman> cwillu: it doesnt show the release candidate
[08:00] <cwillu> icewaterman, "release candidate" is just the normal respository as of a particular time
[08:00] <cwillu> icewaterman, you don't upgrade to the release candidate
[08:00] <cwillu> icewaterman, you apply all the available updates, and then you _are_ running the release candidate
[08:00] <AK_Dave> cwillu: If you know EXACTLY what you're doing, if you plan, if you're prepared, if you have backups, and did I mention if you know what you're doing? Then slipstream a dist-upgrade.
[08:00] <icewaterman> but i am running intrepid now
[08:01] <cwillu> icewaterman, update-manager -c -d should do it
[08:01] <cwillu> I think the -c may not be necessary any more, but anyways :p
[08:01] <icewaterman> cwillu: k seems to work, thx
[08:01] <cwillu> AK_Dave, slipstream?
[08:01] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: Do you have a backup?
[08:01] <ugmoe2000> Has anyone seen any problems /w the new version of Vino packaged /w Jaunty?
[08:01] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: i believe i said so above
[08:01]  * cwillu presume he's not referring to taking an intrepid cd, applying the jaunty updates, and deriving a new cd from that
[08:02] <AK_Dave> cwillu: No, but I suppose I could be misunderstood that way.
[08:03] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: i wanna update now, because once the new version is out, a hell lot of people are going to upgrade and the mirrors are going to be slow.
[08:03] <cwillu> AK_Dave, that's the only sense in which I've ever heard the term used wrt software
[08:04] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: Once Jaunty is released, more mirrored servers will be carrying it.
[08:04] <cwillu> icewaterman, torrents are usually quite effective around release time though
[08:04] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: i upgraded from hardy to intrepid a week after the release and it was painfully slow.
[08:04] <cwillu> doesn't help apt-get alot though
[08:04] <icewaterman> cwillu: torrents require cds and cds arent known to be very fast either
[08:05] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: Do you know how to use Update Manager to find the fastest available server?
[08:05] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: yes, but it doesnt help if you are with a crappy isp
[08:05] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: torrents do not require CDs. You can install an iso to a usb stick.
[08:05] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: I cannot help it if you have a craptastic ISP. True.
[08:06] <cwillu> and if a cd is slower than an internet connection, I want to live in your country
[08:06] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: besides, another issue is that i have time to fix quirks NOW, while i do not have the time in a week
[08:06] <icewaterman> which is why i cannot upgrade in a week for more than two months, so i rather do it now
[08:07] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: Well, at least you're prepared to do a full restore of your existing Intrepid install if need be.
[08:07] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: yepp
[08:07] <icewaterman> bbl
[08:07] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: I'd rather scare you off of doing it ahead of time than read your rant IF it breaks.
[08:08] <icewaterman> AK_Dave: i have upgraded before, my hardware is not very exotic and i use my own kernel.
[08:08] <icewaterman> never had any serious problems
[08:08]  * cwillu points out that upgrades are fully supported
[08:09] <cwillu> irc experience tends to be a self-selecting sample, it's unsurprising that >50% of irc respondents will have had trouble, it's generally why they're here in the first place :p
[08:09] <AK_Dave> icewaterman: Sounds like you probably know what you're doing. Please accept my apology. Most people who have to ask how to dist-upgrade to Jaunty have no business doing so with non-release software.
[08:10] <AK_Dave> cwillu: True. Hang out here for a while and it is easy to get jaded with "zomg! upgrade bricked me!"
[08:11] <aLeSD> hi all
[08:11] <cwillu> AK_Dave, next time you see BUGabundo, ask him about bug #2 :p
[08:11] <cwillu> yes, we know ubottu.  It's a joke :p
[08:12] <cwillu> AK_Dave, most of the bug "work" I try to do is to make sure things are working so that the dozen laptops I've preinstalled ubuntu with won't feel the need to call me when their update breaks :)
[08:13] <AK_Dave> cwillu: I only worry about 3 netbooks, 1 laptop, 1 desktop, and 1 server.
[08:14] <AK_Dave> cwillu: But the laptop alone has 3 different installs on it.
[08:36] <JackWinter> icewaterman: once a new release is out, i change server for the repos and normally have full bandwidth.  tried to install jaunty yesterday and partman crashed on me, so i installed intrepid and did the upgrade.  went with no problems but that was a virgin install...
[08:42] <icewaterman> JackWinter: i'll find out soon.
[08:44] <icewaterman> JackWinter: the release notes have some issues mostly with intel hardware. luckily my system is fully amd
[08:56] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[09:10] <cryingtux> hi
[09:10] <cryingtux> im having issue with medibuntu repos
[09:10] <cryingtux> gpg key wont work
[09:11] <BUGabundo> cryingtux: works here
[09:11] <BUGabundo> did you run as mention on the wiki?
[09:11] <wgrant> cryingtux: You should ask in the Medibuntu channel.
[09:12] <rww> cryingtux: Have you followed the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu , including the command to install medibuntu-keyring?
[09:12] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[09:12] <BUGabundo> ohh rww beat me to it
[09:13] <cryingtux> BUGabundo , rww : i did but it keep on reporting bad sig error
[09:13] <BUGabundo> better restart
[09:13] <cryingtux> rww: will read what you suggested
[09:13] <BUGabundo> and also follow wgrant advice to ask on #medibuntu
[09:13] <BUGabundo> grr
[09:13] <BUGabundo> restart the process... not the PC lol
[09:14] <BUGabundo> by removing the repos sources
[09:14] <BUGabundo> and follow that wiki again
[09:14] <rww> cryingtux: If you have medibuntu-keyring installed and are still getting errors, please copy the entire output of the command that's erroring to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and link to the page it creates here.
[09:15] <cryingtux> rww: http://rafb.net/p/H2NkZd84.html
[09:15] <BUGabundo> anyone using Firefox 3.6 and tabmixplus?
[09:16] <AK_Dave> 3.6 or 3.06?
[09:16] <Unksi> BUGabundo: i am, the dev version works well
[09:16] <BUGabundo> AK_Dave: 3.6
[09:16] <Unksi> of tabmix..
[09:17] <BUGabundo> Unksi: does midle click in a page reload with the URL in memory?
[09:17] <BUGabundo> it is not supposed to... just on the tab bar!!!
[09:17] <dmoyne> is it possible to test jaunty on ati radeon 4850 hd
[09:17] <Unksi> no, but i think i have disabled that a long time ago on my profile
[09:18] <Unksi> there is a setting for that in about:config somewhere
[09:18] <Unksi> try setting middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false
[09:20] <andor_> hi
[09:20] <andor_> is anybody running lpia on a netbook? are there downsides compared to i386 builds?
[09:20] <uda> hey. looking for tips to get twinview working agin on this jaunty machine. it was working, and i disabled one monitor, now it isnt recognised as being there at all. been trying to fix this for about an hour. oh yeh, i have -no- xorg.conf file, how the crap is x able to even start like that?
[09:21] <rww> cryingtux: I just added medibuntu myself with the first command on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu (the one under "Any Ubuntu Release and keyring") and it worked fine, so I'm not sure what your problem is. Please 1) ask in #medibuntu 2) do not use Ubuntu channels for technical support with Linux Mint in the future (and if you're not running Mint, remove its repositories from your sources.list file).
[09:21] <rww> !mintsupport | cryingtux
[09:21] <cryingtux> http://rafb.net/p/7mLlnb76.html
[09:21] <cryingtux> did this as you said, still i get the error
[09:21]  * rww kicks ubottu
[09:22] <BUGabundo> Unksi: but that would also remove from tab bar !
[09:22] <topyli> uda: xorg.conf is empty by default, X is configured on the fly based on the hardware it finds
[09:22] <topyli> ideally :)
[09:22] <BUGabundo> andor_: some devs recommend to ue 386
[09:22] <uda> topyli, righto. i guess that makes sense.
[09:22] <uda> still cant get this bloody twinview going again :(
[09:22] <Unksi> BUGabundo: ok, thats the only solution i know :)
[09:23] <BUGabundo> andor_: let me get you the link to the mail where I requested extra info on this
[09:23] <BUGabundo> andor_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2009-April/002441.html
[09:24] <andor_> BUGabundo: thanks. lpia would be so much nerdier...
[09:24] <BUGabundo> and anybody else wanting to know more on LPIA vs i386 ^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:24] <rww> there we go
[09:24] <cryingtux> rww: im asking at medibuntu now
[09:24] <BUGabundo> andor_: LPIA as several FTBFS
[09:25] <cwillu> uda, twinview with nvidia's driver is fairly easily configured via nvidia-settings
[09:25] <cwillu> uda, it can write out a file with the needed xorg.conf entries
[09:26] <uda> cwillu, yeh it was very easily configurable when it detected both monitors, now it only picks up 1
[09:26] <rww> Anyone happen to know if the UNR RC works in VirtualBox?
[09:26] <topyli> rww: i don't see why. it's just ubuntu
[09:26] <topyli> why not*
[09:27] <rww> also, if there's a .torrent for the iso file =/
[09:27] <andor_> BUGabundo: that sucks. in that case i'm gonna download the netbook remix.
[09:27] <andor_> BUGabundo: thanks again
[09:27] <rww> or img file, or whatever it is =/
[09:28] <BUGabundo> rww: there are both img and iso
[09:28] <BUGabundo> guess for VB or KVM iso is easier to setup
[09:28] <BUGabundo> cwillu: [[]]
[09:29] <rww> BUGabundo: I only see ubuntu-9.04-rc-netbook-remix-i386.img, not an .iso file
[09:29] <cwillu> BUGabundo, poke?
[09:29] <BUGabundo> rww: correct. seems "they" removed it
[09:30]  * BUGabundo puts a massive poke above the Atlantic Ocean to poke cwillu back
[09:30] <BUGabundo> rww: there used to be
[09:30] <BUGabundo> either failed to build or some forgot
[09:34] <encmonkey> Does anyone happen to know if 9.04 breaks ethernet bonding?  I just tried upgrading a 8.10 64bit to 9.04 and the bond interfaces all went away..
[09:35] <BUGabundo> encmonkey: maybe something to do with NMs manage mode?
[09:35] <encmonkey> this is on a server install - pretty minimal.
[09:35] <BUGabundo> popup on #ubuntu-mozillateam and ask asac when he is there
[09:35] <encmonkey> does NM even get installed?
[09:35]  * BUGabundo wonders if minimal brings NM
[09:35] <BUGabundo> encmonkey: dpkg -l | grep networkmanager
[09:36] <encmonkey> yah - was just looking.  Nope - networkmanager doesn't get installed
[09:37] <BUGabundo> then its not NM
[09:37] <BUGabundo> humm firewall?
[09:37] <BUGabundo> ufw?
[09:37] <encmonkey> nope - disabled
[09:37]  * BUGabundo wonder if server without FW is a good idea
[09:38] <BUGabundo> encmonkey: try asking in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-server
[09:38] <BUGabundo> and let us know the result!
[09:38] <encmonkey> there is no bonding stuff in the /proc/net dir either
[09:38] <BUGabundo> ask or file a bug!
[09:38] <encmonkey> server is for test on private lan :)
[09:38] <encmonkey> ok - will try there - thanks!
[09:42] <aLeSD> hi all
[09:42] <aLeSD> I'd like to add a terminal line on the startup : setpci -v -s '01:06.0' latency_timer=0xff
[09:42] <aLeSD> where I have to put it ?
[09:47] <andor_> aLeSD: init scripts are in /etc/init.d, and links to them are in /etc/rcX.d/
[09:48] <andor_> aLeSD: you'd want a script in /etc/init.d and a link to it in /etc/rc2.d. if you could call the link S99setpci, the script is run at the end of the system startup
[09:49] <aLeSD> andor_: thanks
[09:56] <cyclothunder> hello everyone :)
[09:56] <cyclothunder> can someone help me? plz. i've just installed ubuntu 9.04 rc on my laptop. it's all good except for wifi. my card is intel 4965agn, the driver apears to be loaded and when i do "iwconfig" i can see the wifi card. but when i go to network manager, it says wireless is disabled. don't know what to do.
[09:56] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: hey
[09:56] <cyclothunder> help!!
[09:57] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: right click on NM icon and enable wifi ?
[09:57] <BUGabundo> or see if the wifi button is ON
[09:57] <cyclothunder> its grey out.
[09:57] <cyclothunder> can't click on it
[09:57] <BUGabundo> then wifi is disabled
[09:57] <BUGabundo> don't you have a button or Fn+F2?
[09:58] <cyclothunder> when i do fn + f6 it does nothing
[09:58] <BUGabundo> sometimes it requires to be done on boot
[09:58] <BUGabundo> or enabled on BIOS
[09:58] <BUGabundo> its a kernel bug
[09:59] <BUGabundo> bug 105420
[09:59] <cyclothunder> on BIOS i can't change anything about it
[09:59] <BUGabundo> bug 193970
[09:59] <BUGabundo> that's the one
[09:59] <cyclothunder> checking... hope there is a fix :)
[10:00] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: do you have any other OS?
[10:00] <BUGabundo> sometimes enabling it on Windows, fixes it... but I don't use wind
[10:00] <cyclothunder> not now but used to have windows
[10:01] <BUGabundo> well sometimes just trying to enable it during boot works!
[10:01] <BUGabundo> I never disable mine, just in case!
[10:02] <BUGabundo> took me months to get it working
[10:02] <cyclothunder> i'll try now :)
[10:03] <cyclothunder> my laptop doesn't have a switch, it's just fn+f6 for on and off :(
[10:04] <cyclothunder> no luck :(
[10:04] <BUGabundo> humm ekiga just coredump.... not nice
[10:04] <cyclothunder> there must be a workaround
[10:04] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: its called a soft kill switch
[10:05] <BUGabundo> humm there used to be possible to echo a flag to the kill switch
[10:05] <BUGabundo> apw: ping
[10:05] <BUGabundo> apw: is there a workaround to enable wifi cards with no hard button ?
[10:06] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: nothing on that bug ?
[10:06] <cyclothunder> not really :(
[10:07] <aLeSD> andor_: it works
[10:08] <cyclothunder> BUGabundo: i'm trying the workaround on the lauchpad , but so far nothing
[10:16] <cyclothunder> BUGabundo: no luck. i've tried "sudo rmmod iwl4965" and then "sudo moprobe iwl4965". the modprobe runs ok but the rmmod tell me "does not exit in /proc/modules"...
[10:17] <cwillu> cyclothunder, if the rmmod fails, then the module probably wasn't loaded originally
[10:18] <CQ> hello, I have a wlan with a hidden SSID which is set to autoconnect, but it never connects, the last lien in /var/log/messages is ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready  ... any ideas?
[10:18] <cwillu> BUGabundo, iwconfig <eth#> txpower auto/off should turn the transmitter on and off, might have some use
[10:18] <CQ> running latest 9.04, and connecting to visible SSIDs is no problem...
[10:18] <cwillu> BUGabundo, actually, on/off, auto is something else
[10:19] <BUGabundo> who summons the Lord?
[10:19] <BUGabundo> cwillu: not on this soft kill switchs
[10:19] <BUGabundo> took me months to get it working
[10:20] <BUGabundo> only 2 months after I bough the laptop I found it was both kernel and HW related
[10:20] <cyclothunder> BUGabundo: what were your steos to make this work?
[10:20] <BUGabundo> the card was broken
[10:20] <BUGabundo> replaced it and then I waited for the kernel fix
[10:20] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: I echoed into the kill_rf
[10:21] <BUGabundo> and now kernel has it fixed for me
[10:21] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: try to install the backports kerneç
[10:21] <cyclothunder> don't know how to do that :(
[10:21] <BUGabundo> *kernel
[10:21] <cyclothunder> humm
[10:21] <BUGabundo> let me grep my cheat codes
[10:21] <cyclothunder> ok
[10:24] <BlackDex> Hello there
[10:25] <BlackDex> is there a problem with one of the latest updates concerning networking?
[10:25] <BlackDex> I have a continues upload
[10:26] <BlackDex> I have an 100MB/s connection, and the "System Monitor" is reporting an speed of 1GB/s
[10:26] <BlackDex> and even 2GB/s
[10:27] <cwillu> BlackDex, seems fine here
[10:27] <BlackDex> i also can't pin-point what app is causing this
[10:28] <BlackDex> with wireshark i don't see strange outgoing connections
[10:28] <BlackDex> i installed etherape, also no strange things..
[10:30] <BlackDex> i can't remember which updates installed this morning..
[10:30] <BlackDex> Is there a way to see this?
[10:31] <killedkillerb> is wifi support improved in jaunty? im considering it for netbook installation and my previous experience with wifi in ubuntu has been frustrating to say the least
[10:32] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: what kinda wifi card we talking about
[10:32] <killedkillerb> broadcom
[10:32] <eagles0513875> what model
[10:32] <killedkillerb> 1 sec
[10:32] <eagles0513875> i have a bcm 4311 rev2 and all i needed to install was the bw43-fwcutter and it was fine
[10:32] <BlackDex> found the installed log.. Nothing strange there that connects to networking
[10:32] <cwillu> killedkillerb, specifics are important:  for many people, wireless has been flawless for years now
[10:32] <eagles0513875> there were patches taht were needed but they included them into the kernel for jaunty
[10:32] <killedkillerb> 802.11g
[10:33] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: you on linux right now
[10:33] <cwillu> killedkillerb, no, you need a chipset
[10:33] <cwillu> a nunber like "bcm4318"
[10:33] <killedkillerb> im on xp now
[10:33] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: that doesnt tell me anything that just tells me the speed it runs at
[10:33] <cwillu> s/nunber/number/
[10:33] <killedkillerb> still working on setting up a pxe server
[10:33] <cwillu> killedkillerb, what's the exact model of the laptop?
[10:33] <killedkillerb> inspiron mini 9
[10:33] <cwillu> might be able to find the chipset from that
[10:34] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: hold on
[10:34] <cwillu> there's a dell supported netbook remix for that
[10:34] <lanoxx> Is it likely that the i965 bug will be fixed until jaunty final release? if not will the release be delayed?
[10:34] <cwillu> lanoxx, which bug
[10:35] <lanoxx> cwillu, there are only 3 critical bugs atm, one it the intel bug
[10:35] <lanoxx> s/it/is
[10:35] <CQ> wtf, if apt-cache-search returns network-manager-gnome, why does apt-get install say Couldn't find package network-manager-gnome ???
[10:35] <cwillu> lanoxx, afaik, dri may be disabled for somechipsets for release, and the fixes that allow reenabling it will be released in an sru
[10:36] <cwillu> lanoxx, afaik, the intel bug is a fairly broad umbrella bug;  there's lots of current intel issues that are pretty severe
[10:36] <lanoxx> cwillu, is it even sure at the moment what exactly is causing the crashes?
[10:36] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: seems like it already comes with ubuntu installed on it
[10:36] <mirk> does anyone have problems using gnome do running jaunty? is just reinstalled it but it still says: Unhandled Exception: System.InvalidOperationException: Could not read add-in description
[10:36] <killedkillerb> no
[10:36] <killedkillerb> im running xp
[10:36] <killedkillerb> im on it now
[10:36] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: ahhhh ok have you tried the netbook version of kubuntu
[10:37] <cwillu> killedkillerb, yes, but you can also get it with ubuntu installed, which means that there's wireless support for it
[10:37] <killedkillerb> still working on setting up a pxe on my ubuntu desktop
[10:37] <cwillu> or should be at least
[10:37] <killedkillerb> this is second hand
[10:37] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: i would get the netbook version
[10:37] <cwillu> lanoxx, it sounded like things have been nailed down, but it's a question of how best to do it:  a few of the approaches caused other regressions
[10:37] <eagles0513875> !netbook | killedkillerb
[10:38] <killedkillerb> im planning on it
[10:38] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: you dont need pxe there is a way you can create a bootable usb key and boot off of that instead
[10:38] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: a live cd on usb
[10:38] <eagles0513875> !unetbootin | killedkillerb
[10:38] <killedkillerb> im wanting to set up a pxe server anyway
[10:39] <Flynsarmy> Is it worth switching to ext4 for jaunty? are there any hidden issues with it that might screw me over?
[10:39] <cwillu> Flynsarmy, I'd suggest against it for the moment
[10:39] <lanoxx> cwillu, hmm, i see, but the more insteresting question is how big of a show stopper this bug is and how likely it is that its being fixed in time, i wouldnt want to upgrade and then have all the crashes (i have an i965)
[10:39] <mirk> problem solved. just had to run: $ rm -rf ~/.local/share/gnome-do
[10:39] <cwillu> Flynsarmy, bug #330824
[10:39] <killedkillerb> im gonna try to figure out my chipset here quick
[10:39] <eagles0513875> killedkillerb: ahhh gotcha just giving ya a heads up if you cant wait to get ubuntu installed on it
[10:40] <cwillu> lanoxx, the plan is to disable dri if needed for release, which seems to be eliminating the crashes (but also eliminating compiz et al)
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:40] <cwillu> Flynsarmy, the dataloss issues have been fixed a while ago, there's just an open question with that bug
[10:41] <cwillu> Flynsarmy, not everyone experiences (part of the problem is that some of the relevant developers don't have machines that experience it)
[10:41] <cwillu> ... experiences the bug
[10:41] <eagles0513875> morning ActionParsnip
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> hi eagles0513875
[10:42] <lanoxx> cwillu, hmm, thats a bad fix :( but u mentioned that it would be subsequently added through a SRU once the bug is fixed, when can that be expected?
[10:42] <eagles0513875> nice to see alot of people on jaunty already
[10:43] <killedkillerb> i had it running on my netbook from a thumb drive
[10:43] <cwillu> lanoxx, there's no schedule for it, but I'd expect it to be a pretty high priority
[10:43] <cwillu> maybe a few weeks out
[10:43] <killedkillerb> couldnt do anything with wifi tho
[10:43] <lanoxx> ok, im gonna put the rc on a usb key and give it a try, maybe i can contribute some bug reports to speed up the process
[10:44] <cwillu> killedkillerb, from the thumb drive, the output of "lspci|grep -i net" will tell you the exact chipset, which will help
[10:45] <killedkillerb> noted
[10:46] <BUGabundo> bbl. need to get  work done
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> lanoxx: good way to test new releases
[10:48] <moonflux> I'm trying to debug a crash in libqt4-dbus (so it seems), triggered by plasma. I think I've got all the needed -dbg packages but the backtrace looks useless. can somebody have a look? gdb output is here: http://kde.pastey.net/112470
[10:49] <CQ> lanoxx: look at http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ for USB creation...
[10:50] <lanoxx> CQ, does that work better than the tool thats included with intrepid? in system->admin...->Create bootable usb key
[10:51] <CQ> don't know, but i've used it a bunch of times without problem...
[10:55] <lanoxx> hmm i firste have to load the rc, just noticed that i only have the beta. but i just noticed a strange thing, when i try to download the .torrent file with firefox it only offers me Ktorrent to open the file, but not Transmission (the gnome one) eventhough in the gnome settings i choose transmission to open .torrent files
[10:56] <BUGabundo> bug?
[10:59] <TychoQuad> can someone quickly tell me how to switch to UXA?
[11:00] <drbobb> ugh, looks like there's little hope i'll be able to run newer versions of ubuntu, or probably anything with Xorg, on my old laptop  - support for SiS graphics chips is broken
[11:01] <maccam94> does firefox bog down anyone else's system?
[11:01] <maccam94> my hard drive keeps churning
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> lanoxx: what web browser are you using?
[11:01] <icewaterman> cwillu: upgrade went fine, though i now have a package listed as ^pc in dpkg -l
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: yep firefox always bogs down my system.
[11:01] <albech> maccam94, when?? when you launch it or after a while
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: s'why i rarely use it
[11:02] <icewaterman> how can i get rid of a package that is no longer there but dpkg thinks it is
[11:02] <maccam94> albech: whenever i interact with it
[11:02] <BUGabundo> my firefox 3.6 runs just fine
[11:02] <albech> maccam94, ok, thats not what i experience
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> icewaterman: sudo dpkg -Pr <package name>
[11:03] <maccam94> i don't think it does it right when i open it though
[11:03] <lanoxx> ActionParsnip, Firefox 3.0.8
[11:03] <maccam94> but switching tabs, loading new pages, etc, causes the hard disk to churn and the system to slow to a crawl
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> lanoxx: have you changed the app that is used for .torrent file in firefox settings
[11:04] <lanoxx> ActionParsnip, on gnome and I set Transmission as the default app (with rightclick on a torrent file-> open with -> Transmission)
[11:04] <icewaterman> ActionParsnip: -r says i should use -P and -P fails because the conf files are no longer there
[11:05] <cwillu> maccam94, if you've got large amount of other io (torrent, file download, etc), you might be seeing firefox fsync's causing that to get flushed out to disk (artifact of how journalling happens on ext3)
[11:05] <cwillu> maccam94, if you start firefox -P, and create a new profile, does it still show the problem?
[11:05] <maccam94> all i've got running is: pidgin, compiz, avant-window-navigator, and firefox
[11:06] <maccam94> this is a fresh install
[11:06] <cwillu> maccam94, there's going to be a small amount of data written to the drive for nearly any firefox operation, but that shouldn't cause the system to bog down
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> icewaterman: try sudo apt-get --purge remove <app name>
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: does the system run ok with firefox not running?
[11:08] <lanoxx> ActionParsnip, ok now it works, i had to set /usr/bin/transmission in the open with settings of firefox
[11:08] <icewaterman> ActionParsnip: says it cannot be removed as it is no longer installed *grml*
[11:09] <maccam94> it's taking forever to close... (ps ax | grep firefox says its status is D, isn't that disk io?)
[11:09] <cwillu> that's uninterruptable for some reason, not necessarily io
[11:09] <cwillu> maccam94, anything suspicious show up at the end of /var/log/kern.log?
[11:11] <maccam94> Apr 17 06:05:43 inspiron kernel: [86751.876585] TCP(wget:22362): Application bug, race in MSG_PEEK.
[11:11] <maccam94> i dunno what would be using wget...
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> icewaterman: then reinstall it to remove it again
[11:12] <lanoxx> QPrime,
[11:12] <maccam94> cwillu: now that it's closed, the system seems to run ok
[11:13] <maccam94> nvm
[11:13] <maccam94> it seems like opening things requires an excessive amount of hard disk activity
[11:13] <maccam94> wow even alt tabbing
[11:14] <moonflux> is it just me or doesn't this apt dependency whining make any sense? http://pastey.net/112472 (I followed https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash)
[11:15] <lanoxx> CQ, is this netbootui better?
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> moonflux: i'd head into /var/cache/apt and use sudo dpkg --force-all -i <deb name> to force install all the debs in there, its a bit brute force but should be fine
[11:17] <moonflux> ActionParsnip: kthx, will have a try
[11:17] <maccam94> cwillu: stumped?
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> moonflux: its the weakness in package based systems
[11:20] <moonflux> ActionParsnip: to me the versions look ok. hmm... any idea how to fetch the package with apt-get? 'apt-get install --download-only' doesn't do anything except complaining
[11:20] <moonflux> guess I'll just download it directly from the pool
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> moonflux: you will have the deb already downloaded in your apt cache
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> moonflux: cd /var/cache/apt
[11:25] <moonflux> ActionParsnip: nope, apt-get checks the dependencies first it seems. /var/cache/apt/packages is empty (just cleared it)
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> moonflux: then try the install command again to redownload it to the cache, apt keeps them there until you clear it
[11:27] <mrwes> Got a bunch of updates this morning, including a new kernel -- kewl
[11:28] <moonflux> ActionParsnip: as I said, it seems to check the deps first, doesn't even try to download it
[11:28] <td123> let me guess, some ext4 stuff :P
[11:28] <td123> or intel
[11:28] <moonflux> ActionParsnip: got it manually from ddebs.ubuntu.com now anyway
[11:28] <td123> lol   * ext4: fix bb_prealloc_list corruption due to wrong group locking
[11:28] <td123>     - LP: #348836
[11:28] <td123> I guessed it correctly :P
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> moonflux: weird
[11:29] <moonflux> ActionParsnip: yeah. anyway, got it installed now, thx
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> nice
[11:31] <td123> oh man, these slow download speeds keep reminding me that the ubuntu release isn't far away :/
[11:33] <macvr> hi all... i'm unable to use certain web pages , while these pages open from windows! what could be wrong?
[11:33] <maccam94> hmmm i just disabled compiz + awn and the disk doesn't seem to grind anymore...
[11:33] <maccam94> i don't get why that would be...
[11:35] <jonaskoelker> Hi all.  When I apt-get upgrade, my grub config is not the default.  I spawned a shell to look at the situation; where's the new config file?
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: then i'd ask in #compiz
[11:36] <maccam94> ActionParsnip: it's not a general compiz issue, this computer ran it fine in intrepid
[11:37] <maccam94> plus i don't see how it would directly cause the hard disk to grind
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: well its adding a new process which will need access to your drive, try only adding compiz and not AWM
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: if its still ok then you have narowed down the culprits
[11:42] <Newbee> hello
[11:42] <cwillu> td123, if your machine is stable right now, just wait for 2-3 weeks before you try to update again :p
[11:42] <cwillu> miss the rush :)
[11:42]  * cwillu hides from the misspelled newbie :p
[11:43] <Newbee> I made an upgrade from intrepid to jaunty and I want to use powerdevil now. So I can uninstall the old power tool as I guess?
[11:45] <|ns|nR8> so what happens to this chan when 9.04 is official
[11:45] <jonaskoelker> |ns|nR8: it starts discussing 9.10, I assume
[11:45] <jonaskoelker> since that would be the current-at-that-time meaning of "+1"
[11:45] <cwillu> |ns|nR8, everybody gets bumped to #ubuntu, and #ubuntu+1 becomes a redirect until the 9.10 release cycle starts in earnest
[11:45] <|ns|nR8> aww no fair
[11:45] <|ns|nR8> i like this chan
[11:45] <|ns|nR8> ubuntu is too fast
[11:46] <jonaskoelker> too fast?
[11:46] <cwillu> #ubuntu+1 will be back, don't worry :p
[11:46] <|ns|nR8> well you cant have a convo like we are now
[11:46] <jonaskoelker> I don't think short release cycles are a problem; it's poor releases that's the problem...
[11:46]  * cwillu pokes |ns|nR8 with a stick with lightning speed
[11:48] <|ns|nR8> i learnt a bit of a lesson with early releases
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> |ns|nR8: if you use peoples names at the beginning of a sentence the name will highlight, making it easier to read
[11:49] <|ns|nR8> yes ive noticed
[11:49] <|ns|nR8> hardly anyone isa talkinbg so its not necissary
[11:50] <cwillu> |ns|nR8, many of us are active in several channels, we won't even see the reply half the time unless you highlight
[11:50] <cwillu> it's just polite :)
[11:50] <|ns|nR8> ah well... i was only dribbling crap anyway
[11:51] <|ns|nR8> ive been using irc since the 90's...it seems its only polite on freenode
[11:52] <cwillu> yes, when you've got a bunch of related channels of different topics, several of which are _very_ active
[11:52] <|ns|nR8> see the chat window highlights red aswell when someone speaks in the chan
[11:53] <|ns|nR8> so you wont miss it
[11:53] <cwillu> yes, but again, that doesn't mean it's somebody I was talking to
[11:53] <|ns|nR8> i wasnt talking to you in general
[11:53]  * cwillu has 12 channels open, most of which are red
[11:53] <|ns|nR8> i was trying to start a convo with the chan or anyone
[11:53] <|ns|nR8> who wanted to talk
[11:53] <cwillu> well, as the person who's yelling at you... :p
[11:53] <tsimpson> you assume 1) they are using a GUI client, 2) that they have channel highlights on activity, 3) that it's red :)
[11:54] <cwillu> -> #ubuntu-offtopic might be better for this line of debate :p
[11:54] <|ns|nR8> well someone assumed i was using a gui first
[11:54] <|ns|nR8> using xchat
[11:54] <|ns|nR8> so i returned the favour
[11:54] <BUGabundo> cwillu: try to add 3 µblogs / SNs to that!
[11:54] <|ns|nR8> any other life lessons i need to be taught ?
[11:54] <cwillu> yes
[11:55] <|ns|nR8> can tell im not from this server hey
[11:55] <ikonia> maybe better to take it to #ubuntu-offtopic as suggested please.
[11:55] <|ns|nR8> i just dont fit in
[11:55] <cwillu> there's no space between "?" and the last word of the sentence :p
[11:55] <|ns|nR8> yeah well i came here to talk about ubuntu..but i get purcecuted instead
[11:56] <BUGabundo> |ns|nR8: calm down! what's up?
[11:56] <ikonia> |ns|nR8: then talk about ubuntu - I have not seen you mention ubuntu since joining the channel
[11:57] <eagles0513875> hi ikonia how are you
[11:57] <ikonia> fine thank you
[11:57] <cyclothunder> BUGabundo: you there?
[11:57] <|ns|nR8> yeah alright..i got everyone offside...have a nice day im going
[11:57] <BUGabundo> |ns|nR8: what happens to this # was already discussed yesterday, and last week
[11:57] <macvr>  hi all... i'm unable to use certain web pages , while these pages open from windows! what could be wrong?
[11:57] <BUGabundo> ppl seem more worried about it, then actual release
[11:57] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: always
[11:57] <ikonia> macvr: using ubuntu 9.04 ?
[11:58] <macvr> ikonia: yes
[11:58] <cyclothunder> BUGabundo: :) i've just install backports and still no luck
[11:58] <BUGabundo> macvr: what browser?
[11:58] <ikonia> macvr: what pages and what is the error ?
[11:58] <macvr> BUGabundo: firefox
[11:58] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: you need a kernel expert! try #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-devel
[11:58] <cyclothunder> u told me before that u had to echo kill switch. can u give the steps needed ?
[11:58] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: don't wonder if the reply takes a long time
[11:59] <macvr> ikonia: BUGabundo  i'm not able to post on launchpad , i tried opening a page at prometric but it doesnt open , while the rest of the pages open
[11:59] <BUGabundo> ahh forgot to find it
[11:59] <BUGabundo> doing it now
[11:59] <cyclothunder> no problem :)
[11:59] <ikonia> macvr: define "doesn't open"
[11:59] <cyclothunder> thanks
[12:00] <macvr> ikonia: the operation just times out... for example> in launchpad, when i try to post , it just says loading then, i get a white blank page...!
[12:00] <ikonia> macvr: if it's just a few pages it could be a problem with the site/webserver
[12:00] <BUGabundo> cyclothunder: so sorry for the delay; $ echo 0 > /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/rf_kill
[12:00] <BUGabundo> but the path may have changed
[12:01] <macvr> ikonia: i tired the same pages after booting into windows, but works in windows IE!
[12:01] <BUGabundo> macvr: do you have a link I can test?
[12:02] <macvr> BUGabundo: launchpad, pages open but i'm not able to post... try this page >  http://www.prometric.com/USMLE/default.htm < after i select the start , i need to select step1/2/3 but when i select it just times out!
[12:05] <BUGabundo> macvr: works fine here
[12:05] <macvr> BUGabundo: does the image of the USMLE display?
[12:05] <BUGabundo> yes
[12:05]  * BUGabundo worries that macvr may have conflicker virus eheh
[12:06] <macvr> BUGabundo: weird! i booted into my windows but the site works fine in windows7! conflicker for linux???
[12:06] <BUGabundo> LOL
[12:06] <eagles0513875> macvr: it doesnt affect linux
[12:07] <eagles0513875> macvr: what browser you using konqueror or some other browser
[12:07] <macvr> eagles0513875: firefox...
[12:07] <eagles0513875> could be a firefox bug
[12:07] <macvr> BUGabundo: eagles0513875  might it be a firestarter prob?
[12:07] <eagles0513875> whats the link to your site
[12:08] <eagles0513875> or the site you want to access
[12:08] <macvr> eagles0513875: try this page >  http://www.prometric.com/USMLE/default.htm < after i select the start , i need to select step1/2/3 but when i select it just times out!
[12:09] <BUGabundo> macvr: I see no reason for firestart make it not work, and allow others
[12:09] <bartmon> Hey! I'm considering upgrading to the RC from 8.10 but I'm not sure whether a compatible fglrx driver ships with it? Does it?
[12:09] <macvr> BUGabundo: eagles0513875 i use wifi, during boot firestarter stops and then again when i starts its says failed, i thought that it w
[12:09] <BUGabundo> bartmon: fglrx is in bad state
[12:09] <ikonia> bartmon: a drive is shipped with it
[12:09] <ikonia> bartmon: if it is compatible for YOU is a different story
[12:09] <BUGabundo> users are advised to test -ati driver
[12:09] <eagles0513875> let me try your page macvr i on wifi on me laptop right near me
[12:11] <macvr> BUGabundo: -ati driver works fine with compiz and all , but vlc the video displays in a separate window!
[12:11] <ikonia> macvr: how can you say that you don't even know what card he has to know if it works ?
[12:11] <eagles0513875> macvr: the site loaded for me
[12:11] <macvr> ikonia: i meant for me... ati
[12:11] <eagles0513875> macvr: how far away from the access point are you
[12:12] <eagles0513875> im not that far from the router meself
[12:12] <macvr> eagles0513875: no, other sites work fine...
[12:12] <macvr> i have full signal
[12:12] <ikonia> macvr: that site appears to have some quite strict session management in it
[12:12] <eagles0513875> macvr: the prometric site you are having issues with
[12:12] <eagles0513875> macvr: i just tried it in firefox naad it worked fine
[12:13] <macvr> eagles0513875: ikonia: what could be the problem, then? i tried opening firefox with a different profile too?!?!
[12:13] <eagles0513875> macvr: outa curiosity what kinda wifi card do you have
[12:14] <ikonia> macvr: I've just had it time out on a windows IE browser due to the web page expired, look at navigating around it has some very agressive session managment
[12:14] <macvr> eagles0513875: i'm haing this problem only since a couple of days..
[12:14] <eagles0513875> macvr: have you installed aall latest package updates i know there was a package update for firefox a day or 2 ago
[12:15] <macvr> eagles0513875: yup... sys up to date..
[12:15] <eagles0513875> ok strange
[12:15] <macvr> eagles0513875: is there any way to check history of updates?
[12:15] <eagles0513875> macvr: if there is im not sure
[12:15] <ikonia> I think you'll find it is a site issue
[12:16] <ikonia> in the way it's handling your session
[12:16] <eagles0513875> macvr: whats your network setup if you dont mind me asking
[12:16] <macvr> ikonia: i'v accessed the site previously with no  problems...
[12:16] <macvr> eagles0513875: ? i didnt understand
[12:16] <ikonia> macvr: yes, as have I, but I've also just had probles too
[12:17] <bartmon> Thanks for the warnings, I'll give it a go all the same. :D
[12:17] <macvr> ikonia: its not opening for u also?
[12:17] <eagles0513875> ikonia: could it be dns issue and the dns needs flushing
[12:17] <ikonia> macvr: yes, it does, but it also sometimes errors complaining of session time outs
[12:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I don't see how dns would effect session state data
[12:18] <eagles0513875> could it be that its having issues trying to resolve the name and its unable to find the site and eventually hits the time out
[12:18] <ikonia> then dns would fail - not work then fail for certain pages as it's the same TLD