[00:06] <pleia2> bkerensa: in california I ship CDs to whoever asks (we keep track of how many we have and who to contact on our release page)
[00:07] <pleia2> shipping is funded by events we do where we leave out a donation jar
[00:07]  * akgraner reads scrollback
[00:07] <pleia2> so people who can take a CD in person, fund getting them to people who can't :)
[00:07] <pleia2> s/,//
[00:08] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah :) well If I do it up here it will likely be out of my own pocket since as I have discussed with other LoCo leads that I do not like the idea of handling cash unless it is a petty amount
[00:08] <pleia2> it has worked out well so far, particularly since i'll ship a big pack down to los angeles and san diego so locals down there can go to ubuntu hours and whatnot to pick them up
[00:08] <bkerensa> pleia2: I just need to pickup some CD mailers and find out the most economic shipping rate
[00:08] <pleia2> it's all a tiny amount, maybe $40 around at any given time
[00:08] <akgraner> bkerensa, I don't know of LoCo teams specifically who do that - but I know I can burn 11 at a time so often keep a spindle on hand at all times of the current release
[00:08] <pleia2> $100 at the most (that's when we had tshirts peopel were giving donations for)
[00:09] <akgraner> and if in NC need some above what is sent I'll just send it to them
[00:09] <akgraner> but I know that doesn't scale
[00:09] <bkerensa> akgraner: Yeah... I have 40 to 50 Canonical issued Natty CD's and about 15 Oneiric burned right now
[00:09] <pleia2> fortunately locos don't need to scale much :)
[00:09] <bkerensa> akgraner: Somehow somewhere Canonical received a e-mail from Intel and directed their people to contact me for CD's
[00:10] <bkerensa> =o
[00:10] <bkerensa> not sure how that happened :P
[00:10] <akgraner> bkerensa, you need to email cezzaine
[00:10] <akgraner> for marketing stuff
[00:10] <bkerensa> akgraner: ?
[00:10] <akgraner> bkerensa, I'll email you
[00:10] <akgraner> easier that way
[00:10] <pleia2> hey, how did it get so late
[00:11] <akgraner> if it's an event and you can justify why you need more than what was sent to your loco she is the one you will need to talk to
[00:11] <bkerensa> akgraner: Ok... :D yeah some guy from Intel e-mailed me directly and said that he went to ubuntu.com and e-mailed Canonical and they passed my info along to him at Intel :D
[00:12] <bkerensa> akgraner: Oh I don't think I will ever need more than what they just sent for the last event... Most of the events up here attract Ubuntu users :D so they just download ISO's or do a upgrade
[00:12] <bkerensa> But for leftovers I have made arrangements to give them to a few nonprofits that are Ubuntu specific like FreeGeek
[00:12] <bkerensa> :D
[00:12] <akgraner> I know the CA team at OSCON 2 years ago burned them on the spot for people
[00:12] <akgraner> it was really cool
[00:12] <pleia2> we did that this year too
[00:12] <pleia2> it was crazy :)
[00:13] <akgraner> it's fun to watch :-)
[00:13] <pleia2> we were burning maniacs
[00:13] <akgraner> and the CA team made these great CD covers
[00:13] <akgraner> nhaines I think maybe did those?
[00:13] <pleia2> him or Flannel
[00:13] <pleia2> and iheartubuntu updated them with new branding
[00:14] <akgraner> pleia2, you all are awesome  - I love what y'all do
[00:14] <pleia2> but no release party this time!
[00:14] <akgraner> I think I want to move to CA, then France, and then Vancover and FL just to hang out with the loco teams
[00:15] <pleia2> grantbow is in kenya, jono in the UK, me in Philly - poor california!
[00:15] <akgraner> haha
[00:16] <akgraner> and I mean haha in the weird way
[00:16] <bkerensa> pleia2: Our Release Party is on the 22nd... Our loco was not up to the idea of a party on a work night
[00:16] <bkerensa> :P
[00:16] <pleia2> bkerensa: I'm actually considering putting together an Ubuntu Hour + release dinner some time next week, but with all my travel this month I think that may be insane
[00:17] <pleia2> I am home for 9 days between this philly trip and orlando
[00:17] <pleia2> should probably, you know, sleep some time during those 9 days :)
[00:18] <akgraner> pleia2, sleep is a good thing
[00:19] <akgraner> (I'm learning :-P)
[00:20] <bkerensa> pleia2: I think me you akgraner and all the other leads are feeling the insanity of mixing Ubuntu contributions + IRL + work ;)
[00:21] <akgraner> bkerensa,  it gets confusing sometimes that is for sure....
[00:21] <bkerensa> pleia2: On a positive note... Ubuntu Oregon is getting a new region in the state to kick off some Ubuntu Hour's
[00:21] <bkerensa> :D
[00:22] <akgraner> but my schedule is really easy compared to my hubby the last 2 months I think he was home less than 15 days total or something like that
[00:22] <bkerensa> so in the next month or two we should have a Ubuntu Hour in two metro areas of the state every month
[00:22] <bkerensa> :D
[00:22] <akgraner> bkerensa, great!
[00:22] <akgraner> I found out there are a lot Ubuntu users in my little home town  - and even more now that FB has built a data center here
[00:23] <akgraner> so I want to start an Ubuntu Hour after UDS
[00:23] <akgraner> and the 8th grade computer class, based on Natty will be a go and kick off in January
[00:24] <akgraner> bkerensa, do you try to attend them both?
[00:25] <bkerensa> akgraner: Yeah I'm hoping in the next month or two I can delegate some of the tasks I do to other members so that I can do more for Ubuntu like teaching classes but lately is has been a hectic juggling affair
[00:25] <bkerensa> :D
[00:25] <bkerensa> akgraner: I told the Salem people if they get a few people going then I will start coming every other month
[00:26] <bkerensa> akgraner: It is about a hour trip to Salem and since I use Public Transit I would have to pay to take the train :P
[00:26] <bkerensa> like Amtrak
[00:26] <bkerensa> :P
[00:26] <akgraner> totally understand - LUG meeting I got to is 1 hour (Asheville) away, one is 3 (Greensboro) hours and the other is almost 5 hours (Raleigh) from me and I was trying make all of them each month
[00:27] <akgraner> it was crazy insane - so I dropped the Greensboro and Raleigh area meetings and rotate to them every couple of months
[00:28] <bkerensa> Right now my plate is a bit full.... I have Ubuntu LoCo, Bugs Team, FreeGeek Teaching Ubuntu weekly (Coming Up),  Trying to revive Salem LUG and then throw in my own freelance work and IRL time with my fiancee :P
[00:28] <akgraner> bkerensa, I think we all need and intervention :-)
[00:28] <bkerensa> The biggest issue I have had right now is everyone wants events but nobody wants to help me with meetings or wiki
[00:28] <bkerensa> ;P
[00:28] <akgraner> s/and/an
[00:28] <bkerensa> they think contributing is a one man show time of thing
[00:29] <akgraner> bkerensa, oh that is a common complaint
[00:30] <bkerensa> I need to find a way to give a incentive for someone to help me with LoCo stuff that way I can better manage other important things like local Ubuntu teaching
[00:30] <akgraner> I know czajkowski has some good blog posts on planning events and I have some checklists I give people so they can learn event planning for themselves
[00:30] <bkerensa> also FreeGeek is considering ditching Ubuntu and they had suggest I join their Board but right now I really am far to busy
[00:30] <bkerensa> :D
[00:30] <akgraner> and empower them to just do it
[00:31] <bkerensa> akgraner: ;) Maybe czajkowski can tell me how to get Canonical involved in LoCo ;)
[00:31] <bkerensa> we have 15-20 Canonical employees in Portland and none show up or really participate in the LoCo
[00:31] <akgraner> bkerensa, hmm I think you need to keep in mind all the hours people who work for Canonical already put into the project
[00:32] <bkerensa> akgraner: Indeed well I talked to some of the Canonical Server guys and one of them felt that maybe they feel turned off by the community
[00:32] <akgraner> (but I am bias on that - I don't see my hubby hardly at all these days - so I know I don't expect him to go to LoCo events with me)
[00:32] <bkerensa> I guess one Canonical server guy applied for membership and got canned and felt like Ubuntu members who heard his application were idk
[00:32] <bkerensa> :P
[00:33] <akgraner> I know when he is home he wants to hang out with the kids and me  - and the whole family will leave the room if I talk about Ubuntu
[00:33] <bkerensa> Something to the effect that he didnt contribute enough yet he contributes to Ubuntu everyday
[00:33] <bkerensa> :D
[00:33] <bkerensa> akgraner: LOL thats not good
[00:33] <bkerensa> :D
[00:33] <akgraner> my mom even hangs up on me now if I talk about it...
[00:33] <bkerensa> LOL
[00:33] <akgraner> yeah it's good to have some Ubunt udown time
[00:34] <akgraner> keeps things in perspective
[00:34] <bkerensa> akgraner: My fiancee uses Ubuntu but whenever I tell her I have to go do a talk or go meet someone to discuss Ubuntu or install it she kinda sighs and gives me a look
[00:34] <akgraner> yep :-)
[00:35] <bkerensa> anyways I better desync from the interwebs for a bit and handle some IRL stuff ttyl have a good evening!
[00:35] <akgraner> laters
[01:47] <Pendulum> jcastro: because you've been asking about this over the last couple days, thought I'd note that I don't get UDS-P if I search for Ubuntu in guidebook, but when I look at the list of future events, it's there
[01:47] <Pendulum> I think it's because it's in there as UDS and not Ubuntu Developer Summit
[02:45] <jono> hey all
[03:19] <pangolin> evening jono
[03:32] <jono> hey pangolin
[04:37] <bkerensa> hi jono
[04:39] <jono> hey bkerensa
[04:41] <bkerensa> jono: Back in Cali I take it?
[04:41] <jono> bkerensa, yup :-)
[04:49] <jono> so from next week we will have my team meetings on IRC - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/15/weekly-canonical-community-team-meetings-now-on-irc/
[05:02] <pleia2> jono: yay!
[05:03] <jono> pleia2, :-)
[05:04] <pangolin> jono: great, I suspect the expense report and days off work stuff won't be on irc though
[05:04] <jono> pangolin, no, it will be
[05:04] <pangolin> wow
[05:04] <jono> this will be our primary team meeting
[05:05] <jono> obviously anything confidential will not be on IRC
[05:06] <jono> but there isn't very much confidential content
[05:06] <pangolin> looking forward to attending :)
[05:06] <jono> :-)
[05:07] <jono> back soon, going to go and do some gaming
[05:07] <jono> and try to stay awake
[05:07]  * jono is fighting off the jetlag :-)
[05:08] <pleia2> I'm sure you'll be recovered from jetlag by the time you go to florida ;)
[05:10] <jono> heh
[05:10] <jono> :-)
[05:10] <jono> I hope so!
[05:19] <nigelb> *yawn* Morning
[05:44]  * jussi wakes up, rubs eyes, grumbles a little
[06:24] <bkerensa> :D
[06:24] <bkerensa> got your e-mail jussi
[06:24] <jussi> :)
[06:40] <jono> alright, I am heading to bed
[06:40] <jono> jetlag: I give in
[06:40] <jono> lol
[06:40] <jono> night all!
[06:46] <bkerensa> Surprised that Jono does not idle via bnc
[06:46] <bkerensa> :D
[06:47] <jussi> bkerensa: he deliberately doesnt - can you imagine his PM queue in the morning?
[06:48] <nigelb> can you imagine his PM queue when he's here!
[06:49]  * bkerensa has yet to PM jono ;)
[06:50] <bkerensa> pleia2 and paultag on the other hand :P
[09:01] <head_victim> bkerensa: I organised a cd shipit for our loco
[09:02] <head_victim> bkerensa: we basically asked for people willing to donate time and/or money for postage and asked for people wanting to received them. I coordinated the effort so no one person had to burn and post more than about 5 CDs each. Which is less than $20 in total including postage, the cost of the blank, etc.
[09:03] <head_victim> The downside was they were burnt copies not official ones. but it worked well enough, we sent out over 50 CDs that way
[09:03]  * head_victim just got home from a release party
[09:18] <AlanBell> in the 4 months or so we have been running our free CD thing I have sent out 3 CDs
[11:13] <matti> ;]
[11:13] <matti> AlanBell: Can a CD be signed by Mark? ;]
[11:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:12] <AlanBell> matti: no, but I can sign it if you like!
[13:33] <matti> AlanBell: Haha :)
[13:33] <matti> AlanBell: OK! I will buy one then! :)
[13:59] <AlanBell> actually not a bad marketing idea to get a few of them signed
[13:59] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh, I'll take a signed CD from you :D
[14:04] <duanedesign> hello nigelb
[14:04] <nigelb> hey duanedesign!
[14:05] <duanedesign> nigelb: was just testing my computer on the ubuntu friendly beta site
[14:07] <duanedesign> that should be a great resource when it is all up and going
[14:41] <head_victim> AlanBell: our country is probably a bit more spread out that yours though ;) Makes getting decent internet almost impossible if you're outside metro areas.
[14:41] <head_victim> RE the sending out CDs.


[08:37] <chesedo> morning all
[08:57] <theblazehen> hi chesedo
[09:02] <theblazehen> http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.co.za/2011/04/comic-883-randy-thinks-hes-imaginative.html?showComment=1302372350760#c370619607155313793 heh. Seriously, it's just a comic, why create a thing just to hate on it?
[09:04] <theblazehen> http://xkcd2.com/883/ comic in question. I find it amusing
[09:05] <MaNI> tearing things down is a lot easier than building them, so people like to tear things down
[09:07] <MaNI> personally I find the occasional xkcd amusing, but most of them boring, it's been years since they were good, but thats just my opinion I don't go around blogging about it or anything I just get on with my life :)
[09:14] <theblazehen> MaNI: Thought it was just me, agreed
[09:15] <theblazehen> Well, I like most of them, but they used to be really great
[09:15] <theblazehen> Most of the ones that I like seem to be below 1000
[09:16] <MaNI> none of them are specifically bad, they just aren't great either, it's a bit predictable/repetitive I guess. Hard to keep coming up with really great new stuff for such a long period of time
[09:39] <theblazehen> Agreed
[09:40] <chesedo> on of my favourites -> https://xkcd.com/1657/
[09:47] <theblazehen> chesedo: Nice one
[14:57] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[16:03] <superfly> MaNI: I had a security consultant ask my if I didn't want to switch careers from software development to infosec, and I said, "I much prefer building things to breaking them"
[16:03] <superfly> *ask me
[16:03] <MaNI> hehe
[16:19] <chesedo> ag no superfly, it's not breaking it's cracking :P
[16:20] <chesedo> how it is btw?
[16:50] <superfly> chesedo: good thanks. Getting my Internet setup today/tomorrow. Only 300Mbps.
[17:05] <paddatrapper> superfly: can you even saturate that??
[17:14] <superfly> paddatrapper: I doubt it. But the upload is 30Mbps, and that's why I selected that package.
[17:14] <superfly> And since I'm going to be working from home, and having video conferences, I'll need a decent upload
[17:39] <paddatrapper> superfly: ah nice
[18:01] <chesedo> superfly: so you landed something from Redhat?
[18:01]  * chesedo is quite out of the loop
[18:25] <Kilos> evening all. more meds for another month. then docs will check again. ian still working so staying with a friend in ptown tonight
[18:25] <Kilos> hope you all well
[20:13] <chesedo> this is what i came up with for my irc etiquette research paper -> https://gist.github.com/chesedo/6be2f97c9e836ab9da6a28b4b502202e
[20:14] <chesedo> for the interesting ones
[20:34] <paddatrapper> Hi oom Kilos
[20:40] <paddatrapper> chesedo: are you looking for grammar comments in that list? I like all those points
[20:55] <paddatrapper> Night everyone


[05:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Bug #1909030 does not make sense being a studio-controls problem.
[05:57] <OvenWerks> maybe leave it for a week to see if they do attach the file I asked for before marking it invalid
[06:02] <OvenWerks> as a side note, having to run a USB device at 4096 sounds like other problems. USB running at a lower priority than a mouse or video or something.
[16:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Looks like they replied, but it's 100% looking like a support issue and not a bug.
[22:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: the issue does seem to be unique to discord.
[22:31] <OvenWerks> I think they have used opus as a streaming protocol (standard for html5) and decided that SRC was a waste of time because windows runs at 48k.... the same a OPUS
[22:31] <OvenWerks> and becasue windows includes builtin SRC in all of it's audio.
[22:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: for reference: I was talking to someone in the Ardour forums who was upset that he could use Ardour at 44k1 in windows but not in Linux... the device description clearly described the device as 48k only but windows will make a device look like it can support any SR without telling the user "hey we had to SRC your sound to do that."
[22:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: pulse uses a period size of 44100 :) but I have heard that internally they slide the point where they read the buffer to give various application the actual buffer size they ask for. This makes it look like 44k1 will work even with a 48k App. There may be a pop once in a while or a skip that is almost not noticed by the user... anyway they do odd stuff
[23:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, that sounds about right. FWIW, I have routed to Discord using the jack-pa bridge just fine, but there's always some latency that can't be avoided.
[23:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: he was able to as well when he reduced the buffer size.


[04:05] <philipballew> I keep getting a bug and cant seem to reproduce it easily, whats a way to try to figure out how?
[07:31] <joshisphilsfrien> hey phil
[07:32] <joshisphilsfrien> i have an ubuntu question
[15:50] <nhaines> akk: good morning!
[15:50] <rww> day two of Ubuntu Dev Week is starting in #ubuntu-classroom in ten minutes
[15:51] <akk> morning, nhaines
[15:51] <rww> (morning, akk and nhaines :)
[15:52] <nhaines> morning rww  :)
[15:52] <akk> morning, rww
[19:36] <seidos> hello
[19:37] <pleia2> 'lo
[19:37] <seidos> anyone happen to be familiar with the community colleges in the San Francisco area?
[19:38] <seidos> ah "colleges near sf" seems to have done it on google maps
[19:38] <seidos> nm


[01:47] <BenC> infinity: ping
[01:56] <infinity> .gnop : CenB
[01:56] <infinity> All reports on the vga16fb change have been positive so far.  At least, I didn't seem to break any already-working setups.
[01:57] <infinity> So, I should push you the patch for -8.10, and update {edu,ku,u}buntu-artwork
[01:57] <BenC> hey
[01:57] <BenC> got a nice bogl assertion for you
[01:57] <infinity> Ah-ha.
[01:58] <infinity> Line?
[01:58] <BenC> bogl-vga16.c:437
[01:58] <infinity> Lies.  That's the one I fixed in -25.
[01:59] <BenC> I dist-upgraded to dapper to make sure it wasn't a conflict somewhere
[01:59] <BenC> maybe I should rerun update-initramfs to be sure again
[02:00] <infinity> update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.so
[02:01] <BenC> I know usplash 0.25-1 is in the initrd
[02:01] <BenC> cpio'd it just to make sure
[02:02] <infinity> That assertion will fail in two instances:
[02:02] <infinity> a) bug in the code (fixed in 0.1-25)
[02:02] <infinity> b) artwork too big for display area.
[02:02] <infinity> The latter could happen if your usplash-artwork.so isn't the right one, but if you're seeing mjg59's scary line art, it SHOULD be right.
[02:03] <infinity> But, if all else fails and we dunno WTF is going on with your machine, I'll just give you a debug build with a bunch of printfs to tell us WHAT it's asserting ain't true.
[02:08] <BenC> update-initramfs didn't help
[02:08] <infinity> Yeah, no big shock there.
[02:08] <infinity> You should be able to reproduce the same assertion at a command line in a VC, no need to reboot and do it from the initramfs.
[02:08] <BenC> it just shows a black screen, but I can see where the scanlines end, and it looks normal
[02:08] <BenC> console is still normal
[02:08] <infinity> Unless your VCs are still misbehaving and staying black forever after usplash runs.
[02:09] <BenC> they do, but switching to X and back fixes it
[02:09] <infinity> And then shows the assertion?
[02:09] <BenC> yeah
[02:09] <infinity> Spiff.
[02:11] <BenC> anything I can test?
[02:11] <infinity> 'Sec.
[02:12] <infinity> http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/usplash_0.1-24.1_i386.deb
[02:12] <infinity> There's the printf-laden build I was using to find the stupid bug in the first place.
[02:12] <infinity> Should give us xx,yy,yres,xres,pixmapx,pixmapy on your machine, so we can at least see why the assert is failing.
[02:13] <infinity> If it's the pixamp size, that's easy.  You have cruft ans we need to clean it up.
[02:13] <infinity> If it's yy, it's a programming bug.
[02:13] <infinity> If it's bogl_yres, we have real issues I need to figure out. :)
[02:13] <BenC> FYI, I had edubuntu installed on here
[02:14] <infinity> Ah-ha.
[02:14] <BenC> is there a pointer to the artwork?
[02:14] <infinity> update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.so
[02:14] <infinity> dpkg --purge edubuntu-artwork-usplash.  Or wait an hour or two for me to get around to uploading the smaller pixmaps.
[02:15] <BenC> ok, updated to usplash version
[02:15] <BenC> ...
[02:16] <BenC> ok, it displayed!
[02:16] <BenC> has some line artifacys, but much better than the old one
[02:17] <BenC> working on boot too
[02:17] <BenC> it's not perfect, but it is so much better than before
[02:17] <BenC> I can live with it enough to not do vga=771 anymore
[02:18] <BenC> you should add that to you .txt :)
[02:19] <infinity> Artifacting?..  Typing hard.
[02:22] <infinity> If it looks okay on a real monitor, I'll stamp is "good enough", push the new artwork out for all three dists, and you can patch -8.10 in time for flight-2.
[02:26] <BenC> when's flight 2?
[02:27] <BenC> I was thinking -7.9 was going to be flight 2
[02:27] <BenC> send me the vga16fb patch and I'll merge it
[02:28] <infinity> Well, flight-2 hasn't happened yet, so if you upload -8.10, that'll have to be hammered into shape for it.
[02:28] <infinity> concordia.ubuntu.com:~adconrad/vga16fb.patch
[02:28] <infinity> Applies to drivers/video/vga16fb.c
[02:29] <BenC> I've been marking all bugs about vga16fb with "vga16fb" in the status whiteboard
[02:30] <BenC> so I'll be pushing a mass "please test flight 2" to all of them in -8.10 gets in it
[02:31] <BenC> if I can close all the vga16fb bugs, you will be my bestest friend, you can come tip cows with me in my front yard and everything
[02:32] <infinity> You have cows?
[02:32] <BenC> the largest portion of the land my house is on is leased to some people that raise cows for beef
[02:32] <BenC> my house is surrounded by pasture except for the driveway leading out
[02:33] <infinity> Ahh, so they're not, strictly speaking, your cows.
[02:33] <BenC> nah, but they are like our pets :)
[02:33] <infinity> Does land ownership give you the right to tip them?
[02:33] <infinity> I'm not sure how this works. :)
[02:33] <BenC> I'd have to check the county by-laws, there may be a loophole :)
[02:34] <BenC> where'd you get these margins from?
[02:35] <BenC> one thing I know is that lilo graphic splash screen works on my tvout
[02:35] <infinity> modedb.c
[02:35] <infinity> I was originally fiddling with calculating them by hand, but then decided to just go with modedb.c, assuming it may be "right".
[02:35] <infinity> I may fall back to doing it by hand, if we can find something more correct.
[02:36] <BenC> one thing I thought was odd is that I am at 640x400-70
[02:36] <BenC> I was expecting 60HZ
[02:36] <infinity> That's expected.
[02:37] <infinity> You shouldn't drop down to 60Hz until you hit 640x480 and above.
[02:37] <BenC> less scanlines == more refresh?
[02:38] <infinity> Yeah, that's the basic theory.
[02:38] <BenC> it's been a long time since I messed with video modes, back when I was working on an HD set-top-box
[02:38] <infinity> Longer for me, I'm sure.
[02:39] <infinity> It was discouraging to discover I remember pretty much nothing about it.
[02:39] <BenC> but all of those were 540p and greater, so I didn't get a chance to mess with low modes like this :)
[02:39] <infinity> Anyhow, this seems to work everywhere 640x480 worked (so far, no regression reports), and works a few places where it didn't, so..
[02:40] <infinity> I'm calling it "Good Enough", and if we find some spare time, we can look for better timings to make it perfect.
[02:40] <infinity> I'm going to fix up the artwork stuff right now.
[02:41] <infinity> See if we can't get some pretty artwork back for flight-2.
[02:50] <BenC> sweet
[02:51] <BenC> commited, and pushed
[02:51] <infinity> Hrm, I wonder if I should update the two -artwork-usplash packages to use update-initrafms -u in the postinst.  Probably.
[02:51] <BenC> yeah
[02:51] <infinity> I wonder how many times we'll rebuild initramfs on a big upgrade.
[02:51] <infinity> I wish we had a good way to do post-hooks...
[02:51] <infinity> Hrm.
[02:51] <infinity> Wait.
[02:52] <BenC> gziping that is starting to get slow
[02:52] <infinity> I could do post-hooks in apt.
[02:52] <infinity> Doesn't work for dpkg, though.
[02:52] <infinity> (raw dpkg, that is)
[02:52] <BenC> how does ldconfig do it?
[02:52] <BenC> isn't there an ldconfig post-hook for libraries?
[02:52] <infinity> If there is, it's a special-case in dpkg itself.
[02:53] <BenC> nope, don't see it
[02:53] <infinity> But in apt, you can do DPkg::Post-Invoke stuff, that runs after the dpkg run.
[02:54] <infinity> Not really "good enough", though, I guess.  Installing kernels with raw dpkg is a pretty common occurence.
[02:54] <infinity> Meh.  I'm still seeing that failed asserion every time I do update-initramfs, too.
[02:55] <infinity> [17311616.280000]  Assertion failed! qc->n_elem > 0,drivers/scsi/libata-core.c,ata_fill_sg,line=2504
[02:56] <BenC> is it causing a failure?
[03:01] <infinity> No.  Just a fright. :)
[03:01] <BenC> yeah, it looks pretty scary :)
[03:01] <infinity> Also, 'strace -f update-initramfs -u' is a bad idea.  Don't do it.
[03:01] <infinity> Still going on the console I ran it on.
[03:02] <infinity> I had hopes of catching the Assertion in situ, but that seems hopeless with an strace this... Long. :)
[03:03] <BenC> -o strace.out
[03:03] <BenC> helps
[03:04] <infinity> Sure, but then I don't get the printk in the middle of the strace output.
[09:48] <CataEnry> hi :)
[01:01] <Mithrandir> any idea why a hoary box is giving me shitty raid resync speeds?  8MB/sec, driver is AMD8111
[01:05] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ide or scsi?
[01:05] <fabbione> or sata?
[01:05] <Mithrandir> IDE
[01:05] <Mithrandir> PATA
[01:05] <fabbione> do you have dma enabled?
[01:05] <Mithrandir> hdparm claims so
[01:05] <Mithrandir> hda and hdb, which sucks, I know, but still.
[01:06] <fabbione> check dmesg... there are some cases in which raid turns off DMA to ensure proper raid resync
[01:06] <fabbione> and i highly suggest NOT to turn it on while it is resyncing
[01:07] <Mithrandir> it doesn't say anything about turning it off
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> Mithrandir: hda->hdb is bad
[01:42] <Mithrandir> hd13:05 < Mithrandir> hda and hdb, which sucks, I know, but still.
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> I'd say that's a large portion of the problem
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[01:42] <Mithrandir> it's not.
[01:42] <Mithrandir> you can still get quite good performance.
[02:26] <zul> heylo
[03:29] <Mithrandir> BenC: I wonder if the devmapper snapshot target is broken (at least with cloops)
[03:30] <Mithrandir> BenC: both Colin and I are seeing really weird stuff with the live cd; FS corruption, it looks like
[03:31] <BenC> Mithrandir: ok, I'll check the cloop patches from breezy
[03:31] <Mithrandir> BenC: please do.  Breezy works for me at least.
[03:31] <Mithrandir> BenC: we're using the snapshot target, backed with a cow device in ramfs.
[03:32] <Mithrandir> it works in breezy. :-)
[03:34] <Kamion> dm linear doesn't appear to cause corruption
[03:35] <fabbione> BenC: when you included cloop, did you take it from breezy or upstream?
[03:35] <BenC> I took a fresh upstream
[03:35] <fabbione> BenC: ok
[03:35] <fabbione> take it from breezy and the problem will be solved
[03:35] <fabbione> there is an extra fix in breezy exactly for that problem
[03:36] <fabbione> that upstream did reject as: "It works here you fuckheads"
[03:36] <BenC> would have been easier if that patch was seperate from the main one :)
[03:36] <fabbione> if you find our patch and upstream in the same version you should be able to get just the fix to the device mapper you need
[03:36] <fabbione> BenC: i fully agree...
[03:36] <BenC> I'll find part it needs and just patch it in
[03:36] <fabbione> it was at my second / third kernel upload
[03:37] <fabbione> i admit i didn't have my clear at that time yet
[03:37] <fabbione> and forgot about it..
[03:37] <BenC> hehe, no problem :)
[03:37] <BenC> took my couple of months before I was felt comfortable with the build system and baz
[03:38] <infinity> You got comfortable with baz?
[03:38] <infinity> Now that bzr is the way of the future, I'm allowed to talk shit about baz/tla publically, right?
[03:39] <fabbione> oh at that time was not even in ba
[03:39] <fabbione> baz
[03:39] <BenC> Mithrandir: fortunately I am doing -8.10 today, so I'll get that patch in there
[03:39] <infinity> And conveniently, Flight-2 is now blocked on -8.10
[03:39] <infinity> Which means I'm guaranteed to get my vga16fb fixes. :)
[03:39] <infinity> Yay.
[03:40] <BenC> brb
[03:40] <jbailey> BenC: Do you need a bug filed for the asm symlink on ppc in the headers package
[03:40] <infinity> 'Night, guys.
[03:40] <jbailey> ?
[03:40] <BenC> nah, already fixed in -8.10
[03:40] <BenC> oh, and we get correct EXTRAVERSION now too in linux-headers packages
[03:41] <fabbione> bbl
[03:41] <jbailey> BenC: Lovely, thanks.  I'll wait for that then, before doing more on klibc.
[03:42] <Kamion> gah, jackass no longer has 2.6.9-7 source, which is where that patch came in
[03:47] <BenC> I can get it from baz
[03:48] <Kamion> doesn't 2.6.9-7 predate baz?
[03:48] <BenC> yeah, I but I'll diff the patch against pristine and find it
[03:51] <Kamion> seems to be http://people.debian.org/~cjwatson/tmp/cloop-dm.patch if I'm reading recent cloop source package changes correctly
[03:53] <BenC> diff between breezy and dapper cloop.c is trivial
[03:53] <BenC> yeah, that while loop was the change
[03:54] <BenC> I'm just going to copy the breezy cloop.c
[03:57] <BenC> Kamion, Muthrandir: consider this fixed for -8.10, which will be uploaded in about 5 hours
[03:58] <Mithrandir> BenC: ok, thanks.
[03:58] <mjg59> Someone still needs to track down what broke suspend
[03:59] <mjg59> I'm lacking the time to do a git bisect righ tnow
[04:00] <mjg59> I suspect it's somewhere in IDE - things seem more reliable if I use the libata driver
[04:00] <Kamion> BenC: great, thanks
[04:01] <BenC> hmm, wonder if I have any machines that support suspend
[04:01] <BenC> can I susped a G4?
[04:05] <jbailey> BenC: I think I suspended my pegasos.
[04:05] <jbailey> It might have been STD, though.
[04:05] <BenC> is there a prefered way to suspend? I've actually never done it on anything (my laptop didn't work)
[04:08] <zul> BenC: can you pull in mine stuff as well? thanks
[04:10] <mjg59> It may well be an x86-specific issue
[04:12] <makx> suspend to ram is more likely not to work on my experience
[04:12] <makx> suspend to disk is not that fast but already nice.
[04:14] <Kamion> my G4 PowerBook suspends to RAM fine
[04:14] <Kamion> I normally just press the power button, although closing the lid works if your lid is less wobbly than mine
[04:22] <BenC> zul: URL again?
[04:22] <BenC> is there a script I can run to try suspend?
[04:24] <BenC> lamont: elilo with initramfs support ready yet?
[04:24] <BenC> oh wait, I got that elilo.efi from you didn't I
[04:24] <BenC> I'll try it  when I boot -8.10
[04:25] <mjg59> makx: The specific case is that our 2.6.15 kernels have broken suspend
[04:25] <mjg59> At least on x86 with IDE
[04:26] <mjg59> Suspend to RAM works fine on most laptops with 2.6.11
[04:26] <mjg59> Uh, 2.6.12
[04:26] <BenC> well my G4 has IDE, so I should atleast be able to tell you whether it's x86 specific or not
[04:27] <zul> BenC: http://zulinux.homelinux.net/git/ubuntu-2.6.git
[04:32] <makx> mjg59: ive an old broken gericom laptop which never suspended to ram.
[04:33] <makx> anyway quite surpring that this bad hardware still lives.
[04:33] <BenC> zul: just the efi patch?
[04:34] <BenC> zul: can you pull from me to fix merges?
[04:35] <lamont__> BenC: thanks for testing
[04:35] <lamont__> elilo was uploaded to debian, haven't checked to see where it got with ubuntu
[04:37] <fabbione> lamont__:  do you have any idea why util-linux -2 didn't get autosynced?
[04:40] <lamont__> no clue
[04:41] <zul> BenC: sure..i can do that tonight when i get home..
[04:43] <zul> or i can try now..
[04:43] <BenC> got it
[04:44] <zul> nifty
[05:43] <BenC> lamont: I installed the elilo from debian (3.4-pre5-2)
[05:44] <BenC> it booted my ia64, going to try initramfs now
[06:03] <zul> BenC: i fixed up my tree..
[06:12] <jbailey> BenC: Apparnetly there's klibc segfaults.
[06:12] <jbailey> I haven't tried stuff yet.
[06:12] <jbailey> (On conference call, lagging)
[06:18] <BenC> it got into the initramfs, and yes, looked like there was a segv of some kind
[06:19] <BenC> it's progress though
[06:21] <Mithrandir> hmm, is usplash broken in the current initramfs?
[06:22] <BenC> depends, what does broken look like to you? :)
[06:23] <Mithrandir> doesn't show anything at att, just spits out "0" (no \n, even) when run by hand in the initramfs
[06:24] <Mithrandir> this is the live cd, so there might be a lot of other things broken, which is why I ask if it's known-broken before investigating
[06:26] <BenC> not sure about that one, guess you need to ask infinity
[06:27] <Mithrandir> mhm.
[06:27] <Mithrandir> he's asleep now, though. Hopefully.
[06:27] <BenC> shouldn't be broken, afaik
[06:27] <Mithrandir> ok
[06:27] <BenC> but there is the 640x400 change with vga16fb that is being coordinated with my -8.10 kernel upload
[06:27] <BenC> make sure it has 0.25-1 usplash
[06:28] <Mithrandir> do you mean 0.1-26?
[06:28] <BenC> yeah, that's it :)
[06:29] <BenC> -26 may be expecting new kernel, I'd have to ask infinity about that
[06:30] <BenC> lame, I cannot even peruse alsa bug tracker without an account
[06:30] <BenC> nm, seems they have guest login
[07:08] <BenC> this sucks
[07:09] <BenC> because our ide is modular, none of the ide kernel command line options are honored (ide=nodma, ide=reverse, hdc=remap, etc...)
[07:09] <BenC> they have to be module options, but that defeats the purpose of people using them (e.g. for booting the install cd)
[07:29] <Kamion> although I guess it means more "don't ship it in releases yet"
[07:35] <BenC> yeah, it's only there for testing
[07:36] <BenC> it will probably get pulled for no other reason than we have no way to include firmware yet anyway
[07:37] <Kamion> mm, I was wondering about that
[07:38] <zul> BenC: i can help out there if you want
[09:21] <Mithrandir> BenC: ETA on kernel upload?
[09:27] <BenC> couple hours
[09:32] <mjg59> zul: Around?
[09:38] <zul> mjg59: yo
[09:39] <mjg59> zul: You've got a Latitude X1, right?
[09:39] <zul> indeed
[09:39] <zul> what do you want me to test?
[09:39] <mjg59> Do you have backlight problems if you close it at a console?
[09:40] <zul> i havent tried or really havent noticed, i can try it tonight and let you know
[09:40] <BenC> is that the radeon backlight problem?
[09:42] <mjg59> No, intel
[09:43] <mjg59> zul: Basically, switch to a console, close the lid, open it, check if the backlight is on or not
[09:47] <zul> ok cool
[09:47] <zul> ill let you know when i get home
[09:50] <BenC> zul: I have something you can work on, if you want
[09:51] <BenC> #18456, creating a linux-image-dbg package with unstripped, uncompressed vmlinux in it for OProfile and such
[09:51] <BenC> mainly just for i386 and amd64
[09:57] <zul> BenC: sure..
[09:57] <BenC> would probably be best handled in debian/post-install like the linux-headers packages are
[09:57] <BenC> zul: thanks
[10:00] <fabbione> hey Ben
[10:00] <BenC> hey fabbione
[10:00] <fabbione> BenC: we need to schedule an amd64-generic kernel built as _i386.deb
[10:00] <fabbione> doko was asking for it and some users too
[10:01] <BenC> for 32-bit userland and 64-bit kernel?
[10:01] <fabbione> yes
[10:01] <BenC> easy enough, just copy the one from amd64 config's
[10:01] <fabbione> yeah that too
[10:01] <BenC> I can schedule that for post 8.10
[10:01] <fabbione> after you release 8.10
[10:01] <fabbione> yeah
[10:01] <fabbione> bingo
[10:01] <Kamion> oh, argh, one more kernel thing
[10:02] <fabbione> Kamion: not for install
[10:02] <fabbione> and not in main
[10:02] <BenC> not for install or CD
[10:02] <fabbione> we will keep for universe
[10:02] <Kamion> no, *I* have one more kernel thing I mean
[10:02] <BenC> DVD only, IMO
[10:02] <BenC> what?
[10:02] <Kamion> the kernel appears to be eating arguments it doesn't recognise
[10:02] <Kamion> for example:
[10:03] <Kamion> Unknown boot option `base-installer/kernel/linux/extra-packages-2.6=usplash': ignoring
[10:03] <fabbione> good night fellas
[10:03] <CataEnry> hi :)
[10:03] <Kamion> although rescue/enable=true appears to work, since the rescue mode works fine
[10:04] <BenC> the original untouched command line should always be in /proc/cmdline
[10:04] <Kamion> so I'm a bit confused as yet, but this is breaking d-i preseeding
[10:04] <Kamion> at the moment we fetch it from init's environment, not /proc/cmdline
[10:04] <BenC> base- is probably matching some __setup() in the kernel
[10:05] <Kamion> ok, if it's constrained to a particular pattern then I can postpone the fix
[10:05] <BenC> IMO, it should always be gotten from /proc/cmdline
[10:05] <Kamion> I think we used the environment because it was already parsed into a more or less suitable form
[10:05] <Kamion> but it can be changed
[10:06] <Kamion> dates from December 2003 if I'm reading d-i changelogs correctly
[10:06] <Kamion> right, no problem then
[10:07] <BenC> ok
[11:59] <AcidPils1> BenC: omg, wanna have a beer?
[12:00] <BenC> think I'll need a case, I've spent 4 days on this buglist
[12:00] <jbailey> BenC: And now the bugs are sitting on top of you, squishing you? =)
[12:00] <BenC> jbailey: feels like it :)
[12:01] <BenC> now I need to reload to see how many I actually closed and/or put in pendingupload
[12:02] <AcidPils> BenC: dont do it... i dont wanna see you cry because of the new reports ;)


[11:35] <flxfoo> Hi all,
[11:36] <flxfoo> Very quick question about how to use (compile) a php extension within the charm to be used. Example is the zookeeper extension which is not in the repo. I would like to add it as an extension while installinh php packages.
[11:36] <flxfoo> If you guys have any document related to that would be appreciated. Thanks
[15:06] <flxfoo> Been disonnected. Another question how do you tell pylint (under vim) that he can find the charms import pieces?


[14:28] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: jamespage: sarnold: didrocks: doko: ping for MIR meeting soon
[14:28] <cpaelzer> I think didrocks and doko are out atm
[14:29] <seb128> I can confirm that didrocks is out
[14:30] <cpaelzer> ok let us get this started, I hope anyone else responds :-)
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 30 14:30:46 2020 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[14:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:31] <cpaelzer> out of the processing of a fonts MIR I took the action to clarify if there is a formal statement
[14:31] <cpaelzer> turned out this was an unwritten agreement by the archive admins
[14:31] <sarnold> good morning
[14:31] <cpaelzer> after clarifying with vorlon I was putting it into a written statement on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess?action=show&redirect=MIRTeam#Font_Packages
[14:31] <ddstreet> o/
[14:31] <cpaelzer> Are there any objections to this section?
[14:33] <sarnold> it's a bit vague, but probably archive admin / mir team folks would know what those assumptions are
[14:33] <cpaelzer> yeah I didn't want to make a new book out of it, and a good portion of it is copied from the mail thread with vorlon
[14:34] <cpaelzer> the question is more like "do you think it will cause trouble" more than "improve the wording" - the latter everone can do on his own :-)
[14:34] <cpaelzer> ddstreet: are you ok as well?
[14:34] <ddstreet> yep sounds ok
[14:34] <cpaelzer> we are not toomany people today so I'd like to see an "ok" from both of you
[14:34] <cpaelzer> thanks
[14:35] <cpaelzer> I'll remove the --draft-- block
[14:35] <cpaelzer> done
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:35] <cpaelzer> today there are a few mroe things
[14:35] <cpaelzer> more
[14:35] <cpaelzer> xxhash was resolved between desktop and foundations
[14:36] <cpaelzer> seb128: was so kind to join (replacing dodk's AA powers)
[14:36] <cpaelzer> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/teckit/+bug/1803230 can be promoted to main in groovy
[14:36] <cpaelzer> would you be so kind to do that?
[14:36] <cpaelzer> I'm going on in component mismatches - qemu->liburing I have completed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liburing/+bug/1878006 for
[14:37] <seb128> cpaelzer, k
[14:37] <cpaelzer> this will need  a security review @sarnold
[14:37] <cpaelzer> but it is really really really small
[14:37] <cpaelzer> hopefully that means it might go rather fast, but you'll let us know once the team planned it I guess
[14:38] <cpaelzer> next mismatch is lintian -> libdata-validate-domain-perl, doko wanted to look for that but he isn't here - so let us skip that this week
[14:38] <cpaelzer> and the final mismatch that is not a usual-suspect is devscripts -> pristine-tar
[14:38] <cpaelzer> that is part of a recent merge, I asked kanashiro of the current +1 duty to take a look - we need to revert a change that got in with that recent merge
[14:39] <cpaelzer> no one wants to promote pristine-tar and all dependencies
[14:39] <cpaelzer> that would be proposed mismatches from my POV, and comments / additions ?
[14:40] <cpaelzer> no?
[14:40] <sarnold> I cant recall, did we discuss the node-jquery self-referential loop?
[14:40] <sarnold> in -proposed.svg
[14:41] <cpaelzer> not that I'd remember
[14:41] <cpaelzer>  node-jquery | 3.5.1+dfsg-4 | groovy-proposed/universe | source, all
[14:42] <cpaelzer> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.html
[14:42] <cpaelzer> there are more details there
[14:42] <cpaelzer> seems to be
[14:42] <cpaelzer> [Reverse-Depends: libjs-jquery (MAIN)]
[14:43] <cpaelzer> that is src:jquery
[14:43] <cpaelzer> yeah that came in with 3.5.1+dfsg-4
[14:44] <cpaelzer> sarnold: I think that binary moved between sources
[14:44] <cpaelzer> Package: libjs-jquery
[14:44] <cpaelzer> Version: 3.5.1+dfsg-4
[14:44] <cpaelzer> Source: node-jquery
[14:44] <cpaelzer> Package: libjs-jquery
[14:44] <cpaelzer> Version: 3.3.1~dfsg-3
[14:44] <cpaelzer> Source: jquery
[14:45] <cpaelzer> the revdep list of libjs-jquery is gigantic
[14:45] <cpaelzer> does anyone recognize (or remember) for which use-case it was added?
[14:47] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jquery/+bug/308911
[14:47] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jquery/+bug/1513536
[14:47] <cpaelzer> this would be foundations task to look for
[14:47] <cpaelzer> but without doko here we need to postpone that
[14:48] <cpaelzer> mclemenceau: ^^ or could you ask in the team for someone to look after the component mismatches of jquery due to what seems to be a move between different srouce packages?
[14:48] <cpaelzer> mclemenceau: can come back to us at any time, I'll go on with the meeting so we can make it in time
[14:49] <cpaelzer> thanks sarnold for bringing this one up
[14:49] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[14:49] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:49] <cpaelzer> two OEM cases that have a special-case-excuse and the known jeepney for jamespage
[14:49] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:49] <cpaelzer> this category has more today
[14:49] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:50] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libubootenv/+bug/1885142
[14:50] <cpaelzer> I've processed that last week
[14:50] <cpaelzer> once waveform has resolved the few things I wanted it can be promoted - until then incomplete
[14:50] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nacl/+bug/1885283
[14:51] <cpaelzer> I handled that as well and seb128 will look into changing to the sodium package already in main
[14:51] <cpaelzer> those were FYI, nothing to discuss in this category
[14:51] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[14:51] <cpaelzer> It might be worth to mention that I'm off next and in three weeks
[14:51] <cpaelzer> so someone else will do the meeting chairing
[14:52] <cpaelzer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess?action=show&redirect=MIRTeam#MIR_Team_weekly_status_meeting will be your friend
[14:52] <seb128> cpaelzer, I already got a reply from upstream (which pointed out that x25519 curve implementation should be already enabled if building openssl)
[14:52] <cpaelzer> interesting
[14:53] <cpaelzer> mclemenceau: you can get in touch with me at any time later (not waiting with the end-of-meeting)
[14:53] <cpaelzer> I'm not in special numbers mood today, lets count up negative numbers to zero
[14:53] <cpaelzer> -5
[14:53] <cpaelzer> -4
[14:53] <cpaelzer> -3
[14:53] <cpaelzer> -2
[14:53] <cpaelzer> -1
[14:53] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[14:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 14:53:41 2020 UTC.
[14:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-06-30-14.30.moin.txt
[14:53] <cpaelzer> thnkas everyone
[14:53] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[14:54] <ddstreet> o/


[00:19] <erdem> WHERE IS COUNTDOWN???????
[01:30] <vars> hi
[04:17] <Conna> tes
[04:44] <Guest65977> hi
[04:44] <Guest65977> the biggest problem with ubuntu is most of the wifi drivers doesnt work. people want wifi as a basic utility of laptop
[04:45] <Guest65977> so what ubuntu or canonical team is doing towards solving this issue
[04:45] <Guest65977> ?
[04:46] <Guest65977> i encourage my friends to use ubuntu but when they install they face problem and curse it
[04:47] <Guest65977> uninstalled ubuntu
[05:07] <jose> Guest65977: not the right channel
[06:02] <jony> hii
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:47] <JurzMarz> i
[08:09] <Guest98488> hai
[09:08] <maltee_h> Want to download Ubuntu 14.04. Cant wait! :D
[10:09] <sarah__> will this have gnome on it
[10:12] <sarah__> will it inlarge itself auto on virtual box
[10:14] <sarah__> is there any sites on centos by chance im useing ubuntu & centos
[10:17] <sarah__> having a coldd sucks ... what bout this bleeding heart virus
[10:22] <sarah__> how often is this live and can every one come here to got answers on vers things ....
[10:23] <sarah__> how can you save pics to back ground and keep these pic as your wall papers
[10:24] <ParvJain> Hello!
[10:26] <sarah__> GOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING FROM LOUISIANA
[10:29] <sarah__> groooovy
[10:30] <sarah__> i cant get wine ta work on games no matter what i try
[10:30] <sarah__> and im a newbie
[10:31] <tobimai> Where I can download ubuntu 14 ?
[10:32] <sarah__> try the distro .com
[10:35] <sarah__> thank u folks for ubuntu but why is it that its kinda like windows are they contribing to this....
[10:36] <sarah__> groovy
[10:39] <sarah__> well at least they answer the wall papers ? .....
[10:40] <sarah__> every body have a nice day or evening im going back ta bed this cold is makin it crappy laterssssssss
[13:31] <ASBaumgarten> people!
[13:31] <ASBaumgarten> :D
[13:36] <Ismail_> I love you guys, I wish to join you oneday :D
[13:52] <satyamz> hi ..
[17:54] <STEFAN____> Am I online ?
[17:55] <jose> no?
[17:57] <STEFAN____> :'9
[17:58] <STEFAN____> porque ?
[17:58] <STEFAN____> so this is like a hot porn chat ?
[17:58] <jose> STEFAN____: do you need anything?
[22:42] <jose> People around the world! Ubuntu-CA is hosting a live Release Party at ubuntuonair.com, if you want to join the hangout the link is there!
[22:43] <Seven_Six_Two> my cam isn't plugged in, but nice to see you all!
[22:45] <jose> Seven_Six_Two: they'll be there for another couple hours :)
[22:45] <jose> you're totally welcome to join
[22:51] <Seven_Six_Two> how?
[22:52] <jose> Seven_Six_Two: if you've got a google+ account, there's a link at ubuntuonair.com
[22:53] <Seven_Six_Two> I've got some lag
[22:54] <jose> Seven_Six_Two: happens :)
[22:54] <Seven_Six_Two> the control room app is bugging out.
[22:54] <Seven_Six_Two> I hear but don't see...
[22:55] <Seven_Six_Two> let me try chromium
[22:58] <Seven_Six_Two> ugh. I love teksavvy, but the lines in this neighbourhood are no good. I can only get up to 6mb down.
[22:58] <Seven_Six_Two> have a nice release party everyone!
[23:08] <danialbehzadi> problems with control room?
[23:10] <jose> danialbehzadi: I'm working on getting it fixed asap


[00:00] <lifeless> mattrae: I didn't think that PXE BIOSes supported vlans - they'll DHCP on the native VLAN always
[00:13] <bigjools> lifeless: apparently his does
[00:14] <lifeless> bigjools: how verra verra verra odd
[00:14] <bigjools>  dell r720s
[02:44] <dpb1> hi there, a erlang upgrade just halted all maas operations on my box.  celery.log and maas.log are now just reporting the equivalent of 500s.  Expected or no?
[02:45] <bigjools> did you restart maas processes?
[02:45] <jtv> dpb1: not expected, no.  It's corny, but have you tried a reboot?
[02:45] <dpb1> I'm sure that would fix it... no, I have not restarted anything.
[02:46] <dpb1> should I file a bug?  seems like a ticking time bomb. :)
[02:46] <jtv> True.  If this is on a maintained version, it'd be good to have a bug with all the relevant parts of the logs.
[02:46]  * dpb1 has a special love for rabbit/erlang
[02:46] <jtv> bigjools: will you tell him or should I?
[02:47] <bigjools> well it's most likely a bug in celery quite frankly
[02:47] <bigjools> or rabbit
[02:47] <dpb1> looks like it tried to reconnect, then... didn't (celery)
[02:47] <jtv> Rabbit, more likely, if it manifests in Erlang!
[02:47] <bigjools> either way a release coming your way RSN will have no celery or rabbit
[02:47] <jtv>   ^ is what we wanted to tell you.  :)
[02:47] <bigjools> did you restart rabbitmq?
[02:48] <dpb1> yes, I've heard rumblings.  what is the replacement?
[02:48] <bigjools> custom code to do RPC between region and cluster
[02:48] <jtv> A lightweight RPC protocol called AMP.
[02:48] <dpb1> ok
[02:48] <jtv> By the way, one thing that can upset rabbit is a change in server address.
[02:48] <dpb1> yes, that didn't happen here.
[02:48] <bigjools> rabbit is like that Cadburys chocolate bar
[02:48] <dpb1> the erlang package upgrade coincides
[02:49] <dpb1> you want to bite it's head off?
[02:49] <bigjools> it's Flakey
[02:49] <dpb1> hah
[02:49] <dpb1> ok, expect a bug.  I don't consider it a big deal, I'll make sure a service restart fixes things (I expect it will).
[03:07] <dpb1> there you go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1361941  as expected, all fine after a restart of celery and apache2
[03:18] <jtv> Nice naming there.
[03:48] <bigjools> jtv: if you like self-flagellation in return for karma, you could review this somewhat mechanical branch
[03:48] <bigjools> https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/pserv-services-dir/+merge/232344
[03:53] <jtv> It sounds like fun.
[04:02] <jtv> bigjools: done.
[07:04] <bigjools> jtv: can I bug you fpr a review please https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/download-service-exceptions/+merge/232352
[07:04] <bigjools> for* that's *for
[07:04] <jtv> Coming...
[07:07] <bigjools> oh missing some imports, but trivial
[07:08] <bigjools> jtv: oh arse, those tests should not have moved
[07:08] <bigjools> my stupidity
[07:08] <jtv> I'll wait for the update then shall I?  :)
[07:09] <bigjools> jtv: well it'll just be minus the huge red and green bits
[07:09] <jtv> I was planning to focus on the red and green bits, to be honest.
[07:09] <bigjools> heh
[07:10] <bigjools> jtv: it's updated
[07:11] <jtv> Right ho.
[07:11] <jtv> The yellow bit is gone.
[07:11] <bigjools> it stopped smoking
[07:16] <jtv> That must be good for its health.  Review done.
[07:33] <bigjools> and landing, thanks
[08:20] <smss1995> is JuJu free ? is Open Source?
[08:39] <jtv> smss1995: yes, but for more detailed questions there's a separate #juju channel.
[08:50] <dimitern> smss1995, yes, juju is licensed with AGPL v3 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html - if you have specific questions please join #juju (for general questions, charms, using juju) or #juju-dev (for development questions)
[09:20] <smss1995> Thanks jtv and dimitern :)
[09:20] <jtv> np
[10:02] <jtv> Any reviewers in the house for https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/resolve_hostname/+merge/232372 ?


[00:50] <lostson> h00k: me awesome what ?
[00:51] <lostson> just got home from work looks like i missed the conversation
[00:51] <h00k> lostson: the unity users stuffs
[00:52] <lostson> yeah o posted it over to the list
[00:56] <h00k> :)
[00:58] <lostson> i am not expecting a large turnout or anything but it is something I want to do and the website will be fun as well
[00:59] <lostson> ok gonna go spend some time with the family bbl
[01:11] <h00k> I'm re-stepping through crap code I wrote like a year ago
[14:01] <h00k> oi
[14:30] <h00k> So, two things going on today
[14:31] <h00k> The seminar at 1:30, as well as the meeting tonight: 7:00pm
[14:40] <EgyParadox> today is wednesday???
[14:40] <h00k> yep.
[14:40]  * twopoint718 checks watch
[14:40] <twopoint718> yup
[15:20] <EgyParadox> wow the week passed so fast
[15:21] <h00k> So far
[16:53] <h00k> I wonder how many people will show up
[17:08]  * mikeputnam crossposts loco meeting to NEWLUG list
[17:08] <h00k> sweet
[17:10] <mikeputnam> and MADLUG list
[17:10] <h00k> I must not be on the NEWLUG mailing list
[17:11] <h00k> I am now, pending moderation.
[17:11] <h00k> Subscription request confirmed
[17:12] <mikeputnam> and MLUG (milwaukee)
[17:13] <mikeputnam> and Fond Du Lac
[17:13] <h00k> >.<
[17:13] <h00k> :D
[17:14] <mikeputnam> those are all the active ones
[17:14] <h00k> roger
[17:14] <mikeputnam> there was an attempt at a sheboygan/manitowoc one but no one posts to that list
[17:14] <h00k> also, hopefully, if they are interested, they will jump on the [ubuntu-us-wi] mailing list
[17:14] <mikeputnam> right
[17:15] <h00k> but I don't have access to that
[17:15] <h00k> so I can't see numbers
[17:15] <h00k> that's been a work-in-progress
[17:17] <twopoint718> mikeputnam: thanks for the MadLUG crosspost
[17:17] <h00k> so, you probably saw that I set Launchpad expiration dates
[17:17] <h00k> just to see who is still around.
[17:17] <h00k> There are 118 total
[17:18] <mikeputnam> and Google+
[17:18] <h00k> That's even harder to keep track of
[17:18] <h00k> oh, for the meeting
[17:19] <h00k> yeah, I don't remember if I posted about that, I think I posted about the seminar today in Minocqua
[17:19] <h00k> I hope he gets some people showing up
[17:20] <mikeputnam> and Twitter
[17:21] <mikeputnam> that about covers my communication channels
[17:21] <mikeputnam> well there is that super stale Facebook page for "wisconsin linux"
[17:21] <mikeputnam> but i doubt that gets looked at
[17:22] <h00k> and there is one for the LoCo, but that probably doesn't
[17:22] <mikeputnam> facebook is a chore
[17:23] <h00k> Yes.
[17:23] <h00k> That's a very pleasent word for Facebook.
[17:58] <mikeputnam> now we'll see if i can make the 7pm meeting  *blush*
[17:58] <h00k> :D
[17:58] <h00k> feel free to take a look at each agenda item, write a note, and email it to me, I can fill in as appropriate
[18:33] <h00k> well, the talk has begun.
[18:33] <h00k> I hope it goes okay.
[21:28] <h00k> I wonder how it went.
[21:33] <mikeputnam> 2.5 hours remaining 'til this channel lights up!
[21:33] <h00k> wooo!
[21:47] <h00k> hello.
[21:48] <bludude> hi
[21:48] <h00k> bludude: welcome to #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:48] <mikeputnam> ?
[21:49] <h00k> what
[21:49] <mikeputnam> shenanigans!
[21:49] <h00k> this is #ubuntu-us-wi
[21:49] <h00k> I'm an idiot
[21:49] <h00k> my coffee is emptyu
[21:49] <h00k> -u
[21:49] <bludude> I was confused there for a second...
[21:49] <mikeputnam> bludude: welcome to #ubuntu-us-wi
[21:51] <h00k> yes, that.
[21:51] <h00k> apologies.
[21:52] <h00k> I can't promise it won't happen again.
[21:55] <mikeputnam> heh
[22:02] <h00k> bludude: are you hanging out for the meeting at 7?
[22:02] <bludude> yes
[22:02] <h00k> Sweet action.
[22:03] <h00k> bludude: whereabout are you from?
[22:03] <bludude> its nice to actually have a meeting
[22:03] <bludude> im from menomonee falls
[22:03] <h00k> Cool.
[22:03] <h00k> It is, yes.
[22:04] <h00k> we only had 3 people respond to the doodle meeting deal, including me
[22:04] <h00k> but I figured we could try anyway
[22:06] <mikeputnam> heh @ 4 bots in here:   lubotu1`  locobot_2  ubuntulo1  ubuntulo12
[22:06] <h00k> I know, right :D
[22:06]  * mikeputnam commuteth
[22:08] <h00k> brb, heading home.
[23:09]  * Cheesehead finally slinks into a dark corner to lurk for the meeting
[23:09] <h00k> oi
[23:09] <h00k> I am home.
[23:09] <Cheesehead> Marginal connection. I may drop in and out
[23:10] <h00k> Cheesehead: roger. You're...travelling?
[23:10] <Cheesehead> Vacation.
[23:10] <h00k> Cheesehead: Rock on.
[23:11] <Cheesehead> Idea: You can combine attendance with location. Have everybody active respond with their approx location or zip code.
[23:12] <h00k> Cheesehead: that's the plan
[23:12] <h00k> rww: HI.
[23:13]  * Cheesehead recalls the famout Twain quote "Great minds think alike...and fools seldom differ"
[23:13] <Cheesehead> People only remember the first half. I find the second much more interesting.
[23:22] <h00k> that would make a lot of quotes more interesting.
[23:25]  * h00k opens up agenda to re-familiarize
[23:28] <h00k> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/164/detail/
[23:29] <Cheesehead> I didn't know the loco.ubuntu.com calendar tracked meetings, too.
[23:30] <h00k> Cheesehead: it does, it's sweet. I'm not sure it's ready to replace the wiki reports, but I think with how cool it is, it may do that in the future
[23:31]  * Cheesehead is looking at it now
[23:32] <Cheesehead> No place for Attendance, Minutes, or IRC Log.
[23:32] <Cheesehead> On the upside, it generates an ical, and a cool all-in-one link
[23:32] <h00k> right
[23:32] <h00k> the IRC Channel link opens a web-client
[23:33]  * Cheesehead is catching up on #ubuntu-meeting logs
[23:33] <Cheesehead> Feature Freeze coming up
[23:34] <h00k> Yep
[23:34] <Cheesehead> h00k: I saw that nifty IRC web client. Someone was busy!
[23:34] <h00k> Yep!
[23:34] <h00k> hi, zombifie1
[23:34] <zombifie1> hello!
[23:49] <h00k> thezombified: hanging out for the meeting?
[23:49] <thezombified> Yeah, makeing dinner at the same time :)
[23:49] <h00k> Yeah, I'm about to get some myself
[23:53] <Cheesehead> Ugh. That is a *bad* connection
[23:54] <thezombified> I didn't even realize there was an ubuntu wisconsin! What's on the agenda for tonight? Anything specific?
[23:55] <h00k> thezombified: yep! and welcome
[23:55] <h00k> thezombified: as follows: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/164/detail/
[23:56] <h00k> Meet and greet (who are you, where 'ya from), Ubuntu Hour introduction, locations, the upcoming Global Jam, and Artwork stuffs
[23:56] <h00k> thezombified: how did you hear about us?


[12:32] <Myrtti> I don't think it's getting through
 shall i go back to netbsd to have a decent unix like?
[19:35] <k1l_> i bet even the netbsd guys dont want user with that attitude
[20:59] <Pici> please don't spam
[23:00] <genii> k1l_: I forgot that Ubuntu Touch has the "channels" that you download specific versions of it from, it's probably that
[23:01] <k1l_> yeah