[08:55] <CaiN_SA> fluffybunny_, do what whiterabbit sais
[08:55] <synd_> so how do i edit the sessions manager to add a window manager?
[08:55] <nexus-> tritium, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales only configures what locales are available on my machine, it doesn't change the one in effect
[08:55] <tritium> fluffybunny_, that doesn't exist
[08:55] <synd_> whois tritium
[08:56] <synd_> whoops
[08:56] <synd_> :>
[08:56] <tritium> heh
[08:56] <aftertaf> nexus-:  it doesn't ask you which is the new default locale?
[08:56] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, system tools >> System Logs
[08:56] <nexus-> hmm
[08:56] <nexus-> it did
[08:56] <nexus-> but it didn't change my current one
[08:56] <nexus-> its still showing en_AU although i set it to en_US
[08:56] <thoreauputic> synd_: /usr/share/xsessions - use an existing .desktop file as template
[08:56] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: ok...
[08:57] <synd_> thoreauputic: gracias
[08:57] <tritium> nexus-, cool, you don't have to pronounce your Rs anymore ;)
[08:57] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[08:58] <synd_> so, how well does E16 work with Ubuntu?
[08:58] <tritium> nexus-, you're using hoary?
[08:58] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: now what?
[08:59] <nexus-> tritium, yes i am
[08:59] <synd_> im quite impressed with elive 0.3, but id rather have ubuntu running under that.
[08:59] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, you found the log viewer?
[08:59] <synd_> running under E,rather.
[08:59] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: yes... i assume I should now open a log file?
[09:00] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, past the complete bootup log on pastebin * not here* danger danger will roberson
[09:00] <WhiteRabbit> lets see if acpi is starting properly
[09:00] <WhiteRabbit> then we trace the steps out after it is or it's not
[09:00] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: what is the boot log called?
[09:01] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, this way next time you get a buggy daemon playing around you can trace it out
[09:01] <WhiteRabbit> boot log?
[09:01] <WhiteRabbit> lol
[09:01] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: cool, thanks, no boot log
[09:01] <WhiteRabbit> boot.log or something nother
[09:01] <fluffybunny_> i'm looking in /usr/bin/ right?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: /var/log
[09:01] <WhiteRabbit> /var/log in ubuntu Im guessing since the other place was wrong
[09:02] <WhiteRabbit> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/docteam/images/systemlogviewer.png
[09:02] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: nothing called boot
[09:02] <WhiteRabbit> ya I had noticed the different spot for it lol
[09:02] <WhiteRabbit> ubuntu must have a fricken boot log somewhere
[09:03] <WhiteRabbit> look for - syslog , messages , dmesg and, perhaps, any boot.log.
[09:03] <cvt-> will someone show me how to install firefox 1.0.6?
[09:03] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: ok... while i look, what was the danger message about?
[09:03] <cvt-> I have it extracted but nothing
[09:04] <cvt-> i even ran it
[09:04] <Madpilot> cvt: if you've run all of Ubuntu's updates, your FF really is 1.0.6 already...
[09:04] <brownie17> can somebody help me with something quickly, how do i save a copy of the X window config file?
[09:04] <cvt-> oh
[09:04] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, for humor!
[09:04] <fluffybunny_> :)
[09:05] <cvt-> it still says firefox  1.0.2 so i can't add any extensions from firefox until i upgrade.
[09:05] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, we can always kill ACPI from booting then have it start only after you have logged in
[09:05] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: these are all my logs: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2033
[09:05] <brownie17> thoreauputic: you there?
[09:06] <brownie17> thoreauputic: help me with x window config backing up?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> brownie17: open with sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:06] <aftertaf> brownie17:  a shell command called cp
[09:06] <thoreauputic> then save as /home/you/xorg.conf.bak
[09:06] <aftertaf> makes a copy
[09:06] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, Im gonna take a wild guess & say look at kern.log
[09:06] <thoreauputic> or something like that
[09:07] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, also lets look at acpid
[09:07] <brownie17> thoeauputic: you sure that's right? the file was empty
[09:07] <thoreauputic> thoreauputic: or you can just do sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[09:07] <brownie17> aftertaf: yes, but where is the file and stuff?
[09:07] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, also pop open the syslog
[09:07] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: kern.log doesn't do anything, but kern.log.0 opens ==> its huge
[09:08] <aftertaf> brownie17:  ls shows directory content
[09:08] <brownie17> thoreauputic: haha you accidnet adressed that to yourself
[09:08] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, syslog.0 also
[09:08] <aftertaf> type ls /etc/X11/
[09:08] <thoreauputic> brownie17: that's the right path methinks...
[09:08] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, ya the kern log is gonna be a phat daddy
[09:08] <thoreauputic> brownie17: yeah, slip of the fingers
[09:08] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:08] <tritium> bed time
[09:08] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: acpi log can't be opened unless I am root
[09:08] <brownie17> thoreauputic: no probz, thanx
[09:09] <Madpilot> fluffybunny_: sudo
[09:09] <thoreauputic> brownie17: you *are* running Hoary, right?
[09:09] <fluffybunny_> Madpilot: in gui?
[09:09] <jo_e> !xv
[09:09] <ubotu> jo_e: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:09] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, sudo gedit /var/log/acpi
[09:09] <brownie17> thoreauputic: yeah
[09:09] <Madpilot> fluffybunny_: if you're editing conf files or whatever, "sudo gedit <whatever>" works
[09:10] <thoreauputic> brownie17: well that file can't be empty then
[09:10] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: ok, so what do you want first :)
[09:10] <cvt-> madpilot, ty
[09:11] <brownie17> no i just typed it wrong
[09:11] <thoreauputic> ah
[09:11] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, acpid then the kern log
[09:11] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, then the syslog
[09:12] <thoreauputic> the cp way is better really - no reason to pu that file in your /home/you dir
[09:12] <thoreauputic> 8put
[09:12] <thoreauputic> haha
[09:12] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2034 <[09:13] <cvt-> anyone know how to make my head set work when i plug it up?
[09:13] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, next
[09:13] <cvt-> when i plug in my headset the sound still comes out of the speakers.
[09:14] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, no need to paste the other urls I will see them as you post them :)~
[09:14] <WhiteRabbit> cvt, mute the desktop speakers?
[09:16] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, that one you just pasted in the last min is the kern log right
[09:16] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, if so thats the boot log we was after
[09:16] <WhiteRabbit> lol
[09:16] <fluffybunny_> ok... so no need for syslog?
[09:16] <synd_> hm
[09:17] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, you have acpi disabled in the bios?
[09:17] <No1Viking> Are there alot of bugs in the beta version of Breezy?
[09:17] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: I haven't touched the Bios settings for months... unless something else was able to do it? (recent problem - last two days only)
[09:17] <WhiteRabbit> No1Viking, Regaurdless you know you wanna try it
[09:18] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, one momenty
[09:18] <No1Viking> WhiteRabbit: I really want to try it, yes. But are there alot of bugs reported?
[09:18] <vern401> what is breezy? I am new to linux
[09:18] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, Sep  9 08:20:07 localhost kernel: Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- you can enable it with "lapic"
[09:19] <thoreauputic> !breezy
[09:19] <ubotu> breezy is probably the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[09:19] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, ok I think we found it
[09:19] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, see how wonderful logs can be! instead of trying things some guy guesses at rofl
[09:19] <cvt-> WhiteRabbit, tyvm
[09:19] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, first off check you bios make sure power management is ON acpi etc... 2nd -->
[09:20] <vern401> oh ok Thank You
[09:20] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: ok, so what went wrong, how do I fix it, and most importantly, how do I not screw up again :)
[09:20] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, You can try using lapic=on in the kernel boot options if the power management is on
[09:20] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, that kern log is gold for problems like this
[09:21] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: is this because I switched off powernowd in the bootup sequence?
[09:21] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, let me read the rest of the boot processes to make sure nothing else is outa wack since we are here lol
[09:22] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, let me guess you did that like 2 days ago...
[09:22] <WhiteRabbit> ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[09:23] <cvt-> how do i get permission to write to my external hd?
[09:23] <WhiteRabbit> ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK0]  (IRQs 7 10) *0, disabled. some nasty little irq routing goin on there
[09:23] <cvt-> it says i dont have permission to write
[09:23] <kairu0> anyone gotten a Japanese IME to work in breezy?
[09:23] <cvt-> when i try to move a folder
[09:23] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, do you have a plug n play option in the bios if so disable that
[09:24] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, ati onboard hu Yuk hehe
[09:24] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, your dual booting with windows?
[09:25] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: it was all I could afford at the time :)
[09:25] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: I hang my head in shame (yes, I dual boot with windows)
[09:26] <vern401> so do I but I am new and I ise windows to play a game at work
[09:26] <vern401> use
[09:27] <thoreauputic> vern401: that's what they all say ... 8)
[09:27] <vern401> I work security
[09:27] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, Ok a few things to check out powernowd change that back for the moment lol check for pnp aware os if you have access to it via the bio disable it also check acpi power management settings in the bios if you have them, if not then You can try using lapic=on in the kernel boot options if the power management is on
[09:28] <thoreauputic> vern401: actually I still have a windows partition too - I just haven't used it since last year ;-)
[09:28] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found! I'm gonna let you do some google leg work on this error
[09:28] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: grin
[09:29] <vern401> I still depend on it allot I know almost nothing about linux and compiling ETC.
[09:29] <Prowl3r> Howdy Everyone
[09:29] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, how popular is ubuntu in your area
[09:30] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, you are very close to the birth area of ubuntu ya know ;)~
[09:30] <vern401> I dont know how to install programs on here yet. Or how to get the software for my wireless installed
[09:30] <WhiteRabbit> madwifi
[09:30] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: i know - one of the developers was giving us a lecture on how "easy" linux could be, and gave us some CDs
[09:31] <thoreauputic> !!tell vern401 about synaptic
[09:31] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:31] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, god bless them fellows for the free stamped cds
[09:31] <thoreauputic> hmm
[09:31] <thoreauputic> ah
[09:31] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: two !s
[09:31] <Madpilot> ;)
[09:31] <thoreauputic> !tell vern401 about synaptic
[09:31] <sirlark> WhiteRabbit: amen
[09:31] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: yes, pedantic bot
[09:31] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:32] <thoreauputic> !tell vern401 about repos
[09:32] <sirlark> WhiteRabbit: sow what is powernowd
[09:32] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: ok, so I go into the Bios settings, check acpi is enabled, disable PnP, and then reboot and google for that other error. will swicthing off PnP make windblows unhappy?
[09:32] <sirlark> WhiteRabbit: AMD powernow???
[09:32] <thoreauputic> !good bot
[09:32] <ubotu> thanks thoreauputic :)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> !botsnack
[09:33] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, pnp aware os is a useless option even for windows
[09:33] <ubotu> :)
[09:33] <vern401> which version of winslop
[09:33] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, linux hates pnp even though linus had a rumor about the 2.6 line supporting it I never saw it happen
[09:34] <jo_e> is there a good reason why xine chews up cycles like crazy when playing a dvd? it seems to do OK from a cd, though I don't have anything else with similar resolutions to a dvd
[09:34] <WhiteRabbit> besides it's a laptop it probally want have the pnp aware option
[09:34] <bmecoli-> well, I've looked in the forums and came up dry
[09:34] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: ok... well, here i go then, messing around with the Bios - back later, hopefully all fixed...
[09:34] <WhiteRabbit> pnp aware os just allows the os to decide the irq routing why let the os do the bio's job hu hu!
[09:34] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: thanks so much for the help...
[09:35] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, remeber the other thing
[09:35] <vern401> for 98 and newer it wont hurt to turn it off
[09:35] <WhiteRabbit> using lapic=on in the kernel boot options if the power management is on if all that stuff doesn't work
[09:35] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: the google thing? shoudl I do that first?
[09:35] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, couldn't hurt
[09:35] <bmecoli-> I have a "ca0106" sound card and I can't find anything on getting midi to work
[09:35] <bmecoli-> closest I found was emu10k
[09:36] <WhiteRabbit> bmecoli-, you need a codec
[09:36] <WhiteRabbit> like mozplugger kinda
[09:36] <thoreauputic> bmecoli-: http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/0/c4b39482154feb03ca256f8100150ad9?OpenDocument
[09:37] <fluffybunny_> i've heard HP is officially supporting ubuntu on some of its laptop brands now...
[09:37] <Burgundavia> fluffybunny_, yes they are
[09:37] <dazvid> wow ^
[09:37] <dazvid> Thats a big step :)
[09:37] <thoreauputic> bmecoli-: also look at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8736.html
[09:38] <vern401> it's working good for me on my gateway
[09:38] <WhiteRabbit> bmecoli-, http://timidity.sourceforge.net/
[09:38] <fluffybunny_> is cool, cause I have an HP laptop... haven't yet figured out how to enable the sound buttons on the chassis, but will get there eventually
[09:38] <cvt-> i have the latest firefox on my desktop; do you know how to successfully install it?
[09:38] <cvt-> it keeps saying i have firefox1.0.2
[09:38] <WhiteRabbit> bmecoli-, if you need to play  Atari ST sound files to let me know!
[09:38] <thoreauputic> bmecoli-: if you install timidity (recommended) install freepats as well
[09:39] <Burgundavia> fluffybunny_, the hotkey stuff is still up to us
[09:39] <cvt-> and mozilla won't let me because i don't have the latest version.
[09:39] <WhiteRabbit> cvt, you have to use about:config
[09:39] <cvt-> oh
[09:39] <WhiteRabbit> & change the firefox number to trick the instlal
[09:39] <WhiteRabbit> install
[09:39] <fluffybunny_> Burgundavia: us, as in, we should right our own stuff to get the buttons working properly? bummer
[09:39] <Burgundavia> fluffybunny_, by us, I mean Ubuntu
[09:39] <Burgundavia> fluffybunny_, if they don't work with Breezy preview, file a bug
[09:40] <fluffybunny_> Burgundavia: you're an ubuntu developer?
[09:40] <Burgundavia> fluffybunny_, documentor
[09:40] <fluffybunny_> Burgundavia: we love documentation :)
[09:40] <nalioth> fluffybunny_: Burgundavia is an ordained ubuntu documentarian
[09:40] <benplaut> heh
[09:40] <bmecoli-> hmm
[09:41] <benplaut> and knighted, too?
[09:41] <benplaut> or, gNighted...
[09:41] <bmecoli-> I really want hardware midi though
[09:41] <WhiteRabbit> benplaut, Already did that
[09:41] <bmecoli-> or am I not going to get the with the ca0106 driver?
[09:41] <WhiteRabbit> benplaut, even though it was fake it was fun!
[09:41] <benplaut> :P
[09:41] <cvt-> which line in about:config to I change, whiterabbit?
[09:41] <benplaut> holy smokes... my burner is frikkin fast in breezy
[09:42] <bmecoli-> I mean... the main reason I got the damn card is because I wanted the hardware midi capabilities
[09:42] <benplaut> i just burned a preview ISO in about a third of the time a 650mb would take in hoary
[09:42] <thoreauputic> cvt-: use the search dialog at the top and type in vendor
[09:42] <bmecoli-> so that I WOULDN'T have to use midi ;/
[09:42] <bmecoli-> er... timidity
[09:44] <WhiteRabbit> benplaut, http://photos.innersanity.com/thumbnails.php?album=7
[09:44] <WhiteRabbit> benplaut, see the knight!
[09:45] <cvt> WhiteRabbit, i found vendor
[09:45] <WhiteRabbit> version =?
[09:45] <cvt> 1.0.2
[09:45] <thoreauputic> cvt-: it's the vendorSub string
[09:46] <WhiteRabbit> general.useragent.vendorSub
[09:46] <thoreauputic> yup
[09:46] <WhiteRabbit> change it to like 1.0.6-4.1
[09:46] <thoreauputic> cvt-: you really need to run an upgrade on that install
[09:47] <thoreauputic> WhiteRabbit: it's just 1.0.6 here
[09:47] <cvt-> k
[09:47] <nalioth> i put breezy on my ibook g3 and boy it's in rough shape
[09:47] <nalioth> i dont advise new(er) ppc users to go to breezy for at least another week
[09:48] <cvt> WhiteRabbit, it still says 1.0.2
[09:48] <Utopiate> Anyone here using dr17?
[09:48] <cvt> ok
[09:48] <brownie17> hey everyone, what does an RPM download mean in relation to Java for linux?
[09:48] <holycow> http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208  <--- hehehe
[09:48] <cvt> it's at least letting me in the extensions section now
[09:48] <cvt> ty
[09:48] <holycow> best email communique evar!
[09:48] <holycow> rofl :)
[09:48] <WhiteRabbit> thoreauputic, I was just gonna suggest a higher number Im currently using 1.0.6-4.1 ;)~
[09:49] <thoreauputic> brownie17: it means you did the wrong thing
[09:49] <WhiteRabbit> 1.0.5 would even work I belive hehe
[09:49] <thoreauputic> !tell brownie about java
[09:49] <brownie17> thoreauputic: i didn't get that one, but i should get the other one then?
[09:49] <thoreauputic> brownie17: read ubotu's /msg
[09:49] <brownie17> thoreauputic: you wouldnt happen to know how to update my gnome version would you?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> brownie17: wait for breezy :)
[09:50] <WhiteRabbit> every body wants cairo!
[09:50] <dazvid> Will breezy have 2.12 ?
[09:50] <WhiteRabbit> yes
[09:50] <nalioth> brownie17: are you after java?
[09:50] <dazvid> yay :D
[09:50] <thoreauputic> dazvid: yup
[09:50] <brownie17> thoreauputic: and it doesn't involve recompiling the kernel would it/
[09:50] <benplaut> WhiteRabbit, ...funny :)
[09:50] <thoreauputic> brownie17: no
[09:50] <WhiteRabbit> benplaut, I seel condos at the beach!
[09:50] <brownie17> thoreauputic: so there is no other way to get gnome updated?
[09:50] <brownie17> nalioth: yes i am
[09:51] <thoreauputic> brownie17: why are you in a hurry? Can't wait until October 13?
[09:51] <nalioth> brownie17: follow the wiki instructions
[09:51] <WhiteRabbit> benplaut, that place was at medieval times http://www.medievaltimes.com/
[09:51] <WhiteRabbit> benplaut, real live jousting & sword fights while you get your drink on & eat on
[09:51] <brownie17> thoreauputic: well smeg won't work without it. and i am definatly not a man known for my patience
[09:52] <thoreauputic> brownie17: smeg works fine on hoary
[09:52] <brownie17> !rpm
[09:52] <ubotu> brownie17: I give up, what is it?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> brownie17: I have it here
[09:52] <brownie17> thoeauputic: not mine
[09:52] <thoreauputic> brownie17: did you use the script?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> to install?
[09:52] <brownie17> thoeauputic: it tells me i need the new one for manking new menus and making seperators
[09:52] <brownie17> thoeauputic: yes, it wouldnt install through synaoptic
[09:53] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: sigh, there is, sadly, no acpi or PnP options in my bios
[09:53] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, ok they are on by auto defaults then
[09:53] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, thats a good thing really for you
[09:53] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: so now what? (a good thing - I will take your word for it :)  )
[09:53] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, did you change that thingy back yet
[09:54] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: the powernowd setting>? yes
[09:54] <dazvid> What is the official release date for breezy? I cant see it on the ubuntu site :s
[09:54] <fluffybunny_> I shoudl probably have written down all the things that were on, before I played with sysvconfig... oops
[09:54] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, is acpi running by chance
[09:54] <fluffybunny_> how do I check that, again?
[09:55] <Madpilot> dazvid: Oct 13th - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[09:55] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, services
[09:55] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: :amanda@athena:~ $ services
[09:55] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: bash: services: command not found
[09:56] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, points to the top left menus!
[09:56] <WhiteRabbit> under system thingys!
[09:57] <dazvid> Madpilot: funny thing is, I googled it aswell, and nothing came up :S
[09:57] <nalioth> dazvid: oct 13, i believe
[09:58] <dazvid> Oh wait, there it is at the bottom of the search
[09:58] <Burgundavia> fluffybunny_, only in Breezy
[09:59] <bmecoli-> um, could anyone answer my question? is there support for midi with the ca0106 sound driver?
[09:59] <bmecoli-> will I have to wait for the next version of alsa?
[10:00] <nalioth> brownie17: breezy at this point may be a little more than you want to deal with (i just put it on one of my other ibooks)
[10:00] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[10:00] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, sudo apt-get install bum
[10:01] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: amanda@athena:~ $ ps -C acpid
[10:01] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit:  PID TTY          TIME CMD
[10:01] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: ?        00:00:00 acpid
[10:01] <Seveas> dennis@blackbird ~ $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:01] <aftertaf> bmecoli-:  have u checked the alsa soundcard matrix?
[10:01] <Seveas> what have I done!
[10:01] <bmecoli-> ???
[10:01] <aftertaf> lol Seveas
[10:01] <WhiteRabbit> Seveas, Your using a cut down straw
[10:01] <bmecoli-> aftertaf, could you link me?
[10:01] <Seveas> Need to get 670MB of archives.
[10:01] <WhiteRabbit> we know you are now ;)~
[10:02] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, install bum
[10:02] <Seveas> Too bad i have to stop backporting things to hoary now I install breezy ;)
[10:03] <brownie17> anyone know of a toaster plugin for rythmbox?
[10:03] <nalioth> Seveas: what a coincidence, i just d-u'd my g3 ibook
[10:03] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: amanda@athena:~ $ sudo apt-get install bum
[10:03] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:03] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:03] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, why would you want a toaster plugin to pop up songs
[10:03] <thoreauputic> brownie17: I like the two-slice model ;-)
[10:03] <nalioth> Seveas: verdict: the ppc arch isnt ready for prime time
[10:03] <Red_Bullet> how to download mplayer
[10:03] <Red_Bullet> ?
[10:03] <Seveas> fluffybunny_, please don't paste
[10:03] <Seveas> and close synaptic
[10:03] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, apt-get install mplayer
[10:04] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: close synaptic or another apt instance
[10:04] <Seveas> enable multiverse
[10:04] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, what all have you been doin to that poor lil system!
[10:04] <brownie17> whiterabbit: becasue i use the player in a different workspace, and i want to nkow what the song is. i have lots of songs
[10:04] <brownie17> thoreauputic: :)
[10:04] <Red_Bullet> Seveas,  i have synaptic with activated repos and can't find mplayer
[10:04] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, remote xmms!
[10:04] <WhiteRabbit> xmms remote rather
[10:04] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: couldn't find package bum (synaptics is closed)
[10:04] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, paste your sources.list on the pastebin
[10:04] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: i'm thinking I should wipe and reinstall :(
[10:04] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, you must travel to the multiverse
[10:04] <Seveas> fluffybunny_, bum isn't a package yet in hoary
[10:05] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, this is not windows!
[10:05] <DVSoftware> !tell fluffybunny_ about repositories
[10:05] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: as in, no need to reinstall? just fix it?
[10:05] <Red_Bullet> which source list where is pastebin
[10:05] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, sudo dpkg -i bum_1.3.3-1_all.deb
[10:05] <Seveas> /etc/apt/sources.list  -- http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:05] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, you can install it that way for hoary
[10:06] <DVSoftware> btw, what is bum :huh:
[10:06] <WhiteRabbit> DVSoftware, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[10:06] <WhiteRabbit> boo tup manager
[10:06] <brownie17> whiterabbit: is that the name of the plugin?
[10:07] <DVSoftware> BUM is currently in Debian unstable and Ubuntu breezy repositories. These users can just apt-get it.
[10:07] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, what your wanting is a remote feature
[10:07] <DVSoftware> hmmm
[10:07] <WhiteRabbit> DVSoftware, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[10:07] <Seveas> 12% [213 rsync 91224/207kB 44%]                                   202kB/s 48m22s <-- dist-upgrade still in process :)
[10:08] <brownie17> whiterabbit: im using rythmbox did i meniton?
[10:08] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: sudo dpkg -i bum_1.3.3-1_all.deb <--- didn't work either... can I just add the Breezy repository and use synaptic?
[10:08] <Seveas> fluffybunny_, nooooooooo
[10:08] <brownie17> whiterabbit: isnt xmms another player?
[10:08] <WhiteRabbit> hoary users must download it then install via dpkg
[10:08] <DVSoftware> fluffybunny_: no
[10:08] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, yes
[10:08] <DVSoftware> fluffybunny_: download that deb file
[10:08] <Seveas> what didn't work with dpkg?
[10:08] <nalioth> Seveas: be glad your'e not doing a ppc
[10:08] <WhiteRabbit> I only use xmms & amarok atm
[10:08] <fluffybunny_> javol...
[10:08] <Seveas> nalioth, I'm always glad I don'y do PPC ;)
[10:08] <brownie17> whiterabbit: which is better xmms or vlc?
[10:08] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, you must download the .deb file first sweety lol
[10:08] <DVSoftware> brownie17: vlc for videos, xmms for music
[10:09] <DVSoftware> but i prefer amarok for music
[10:09] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, it's not about better but it's more about personal taste
[10:09] <brownie17> seveas: i do a bit of pcp! :) helps with school sports, that count?
[10:09] <nalioth> Seveas: be nice now. i now have valuable breezy experience for the masses of ppc (ab)users
[10:09] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, we was wondering about that mad twitch you got there
[10:09] <brownie17> whiterabbbit: ok, i'll give it a shit
[10:09] <brownie17> shot*
[10:09] <brownie17> hahah
[10:09] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: arg! the ubuntu developers lied! windows is so much easier!
[10:09] <aftertaf> Guys, is the Audigy LS soundcard the nightmare one in hoary??
[10:09] <WhiteRabbit> aftertaf, no
[10:10] <DVSoftware> fluffybunny_: easier???
[10:10] <WhiteRabbit> aftertaf, you just need to enable  the digital audio jack by pressing m in alsamixer
[10:10] <fluffybunny_> DVSoftware: windows is more of a no-brainer...
[10:10] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, it's making you think
[10:10] <aftertaf> bmecoli-:  you get that??
[10:10] <DVSoftware> fluffybunny_: and you have to pay somebody to reinstall it every few weeks
[10:10] <DVSoftware> that's easier?
[10:10] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, it takes a solid 2 weeks to begain to enjoy linux if your coming from windows
[10:10] <DVSoftware> windows is brainwasher
[10:11] <WhiteRabbit> to run linux you need passion to be free
[10:11] <bmecoli-> get what?? your message??
[10:11] <fluffybunny_> DVSoftware: i got pretty good at reinstalling it myself, which I did every 6 months or so :)
[10:11] <bmecoli-> yes... if you tried to send me a file, then no, I didn't
[10:11] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, I cloned my windows partition
[10:11] <aftertaf> scroll up to WhiteRabbit's post ...
[10:11] <WhiteRabbit> reinstall windows in like 3mins that way everyday hehe
[10:11] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: in debian based distros ike ubuntu you *never* need to reinstall
[10:11] <WhiteRabbit> I have a auto housekeeper to reload the clone image every morning before I wake up
[10:12] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: you just fix whatever is wrong? thats a relief
[10:12] <WhiteRabbit> so fresh n clean clean
[10:12] <snausages> can't you screw up something and then have to reinstall?
[10:12] <bmecoli-> you mean timidity?
[10:12] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic: wrong... i've managed to fsck it up
[10:12] <DVSoftware> :D
[10:12] <bmecoli-> nonono, I'm trying to aviod that
[10:12] <thoreauputic> fluffybunny_: also you can upgradee as Seveas is doing
[10:12] <WhiteRabbit> you can run a debian based PC & the os will out live the hardware
[10:12] <WhiteRabbit> I know did it many times already on a few boxes lol
[10:12] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: I said "need" - but I know where you're coming from ;)
[10:12] <fluffybunny_> thoreauputic: I don't have the bandwidth to download an ISO... will have to wait for the post
[10:12] <bmecoli-> like I said, the only reason I bought the sound card is for the hardware midi support
[10:13] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, you live right there in South Africa
[10:13] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic: from where o_O
[10:13] <henk> Hi i'm looking for a good p2p program. it should at least have bittorent since i want to download the livecd torrent, but preferably it should be able to connect to other p2p networks too
[10:13] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: is still takes long...
[10:13] <WhiteRabbit> you can drive to ubuntu head quarters & get free cds all day long
[10:13] <Seveas> WhiteRabbit, ubuntu headquarters are at the isle of man....
[10:13] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: which city in Ubuntu HQ in?
[10:13] <DVSoftware> henk: mldonkey
[10:13] <Seveas> which is no where near SA
[10:13] <WhiteRabbit> Seveas, so ubuntu has no precense in SA
[10:13] <fluffybunny_> Seveas: thats a really REALLY long drive <grin>
[10:14] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: heh - well I once did the dreaded rm -rf / as root... But nobody heard me say that, OK ?
[10:14] <Seveas> fluffybunny_, kinda :)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> *g*
[10:14] <Seveas> thoreauputic, rofl :)
[10:14] <DVSoftware> hahhaha
[10:14] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic: i didn't fscked it that way
[10:15] <Seveas> I did a similar thing: rm -rf lib while being in /var
[10:15] <Utopiate> where in the heck is my rc.conf!?
[10:15] <Seveas> that also f*cks up things badly :)
[10:15] <Seveas> Utopiate, stop thinking red-hat
[10:15] <Utopiate> so what do I use in debian?
[10:15] <DVSoftware> thoreauputic: something was really wrong, gdm segfaulted nvidia drivers worked like shit
[10:16] <Seveas> Utopiate, /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*.d
[10:16] <brownie17> whiterabbot: XMMS does not have a media library!!!!!!!!!!! ARGH
[10:16] <DVSoftware> .... and yes, i've installed nvidia drivers from nvidia.com :D
[10:16] <thoreauputic> DVSoftware: sometimes it's easier to admit defeat :)
[10:16] <Red_Bullet> Seveas,  look in pastebin for red_bullet
[10:16] <Red_Bullet> please
[10:16] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, ok
[10:16] <Utopiate> seveas: what would I use insted of rc.conf to set my "login manager"
[10:16] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, first few char of the nick then tab
[10:16] <Red_Bullet> ant tell me what to add
[10:16] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, yes xmms can keep a media libary
[10:16] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: ok, so bum is downloaded and in my /usr/local/src directory
[10:16] <Seveas> Utopiate, dpkg-reconfigure [the login manager you want]
[10:16] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, how/
[10:17] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, btw, thanx for tab tip, saves heaps of time
[10:17] <DVSoftware> Utopiate:
[10:17] <DVSoftware> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[10:17] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, woah that sources.list is bad :|
[10:17] <DVSoftware> should do the thing
[10:17] <Sonderblade> why does the nvidia graphics driver fail to load after i upgraded kernel from 2.6.10 to 2.6.11?
[10:17] <Seveas> you don't even have main in there
[10:17] <DVSoftware> ahhh
[10:17] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, cd /usr/local/src    ls to ensure it is then   sudo dpkg -i bumfilehere.deb
[10:17] <DVSoftware> didn't noticed that Seveas told you that
[10:17] <Seveas> Red_Bullet: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:17] <Red_Bullet> Seveas,  this is only links
[10:17] <Utopiate> checking it out
[10:18] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: i downloaded bum the earlier (more stable?) version - is ok?
[10:18] <Seveas> Sonderblade, 2.6.11 is NOT to be used!
[10:18] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, how do you keep a media library? do i need a plugin? i cant find it. plus the text is too small
[10:18] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, whatever floats your boat
[10:18] <Sonderblade> Seveas: then why is there a deb for it?
[10:18] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: :)
[10:18] <Seveas> it was a test-build to see whether they could get it working
[10:18] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, if it's to loud it means you to old!
[10:18] <Seveas> as you see it's in universe and unsupported
[10:18] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, right click xmms
[10:18] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, !?!?! i never mentioned too loud, i say text too msal
[10:19] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, see all the cool menus?>
[10:19] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, to small runs the same course as being to loud
[10:19] <WhiteRabbit> ether way your getting old!
[10:19] <DVSoftware> brownie17: try amarok
[10:19] <DVSoftware> it's great app
[10:19] <Red_Bullet> Seveas,  this is Deutche
[10:19] <brownie17> DVSoftware, amarok another player?
[10:19] <WhiteRabbit> muhhaha after we get him to switch we will play with his emotions & get him to try yet another app.....
[10:19] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, ?
[10:19] <DVSoftware> brownie17: yep
[10:19] <Red_Bullet> i can talk only to English
[10:19] <Madpilot> later all. need sleep.
[10:20] <Red_Bullet> German Language
[10:20] <Red_Bullet> :(
[10:20] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, i don't like xmms, but if you want to use it, that's fine. although it has some REALLY cool plugins, and alot
[10:20] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, what is german??
[10:20] <Red_Bullet> language
[10:20] <Red_Bullet> of the site
[10:20] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, ok on to amarok
[10:20] <Seveas> it's not
[10:20] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: my bum looks good
[10:20] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, if you dont like that we can keep you hopping all nite
[10:20] <dazvid> Deutch is though :o
[10:20] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, I sure hope so
[10:20] <brownie17> DVSoftware, sorry amarok is only for KDE, i use gnome
[10:20] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: I like it... now what? *g*
[10:20] <dazvid> I know I missed an S in there somewhere
[10:20] <Red_Bullet> oo
[10:20] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, pm me a picture of it so I can make sure it's operating correctly
[10:20] <Red_Bullet> yes
[10:20] <Seveas> paste.ubuntulinux.nl is english
[10:21] <Red_Bullet> error is mine
[10:21] <Red_Bullet> :)
[10:21] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, DVSoftware, got any others?
[10:21] <Red_Bullet> :)
[10:21] <Red_Bullet> error is mine
[10:21] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, Ok acpi is it on or not?
[10:21] <dazvid> Deutsch* is what germans speak
[10:21] <DVSoftware> brownie17: i use it everyday
[10:21] <WhiteRabbit> du hast dazvid
[10:21] <dazvid> LOL im listening to the album right now
[10:21] <DVSoftware> o_O
[10:21] <brownie17> DVSoftware,  you use KDE? or gnome? is the gnome in synaptic?
[10:21] <nalioth> Seveas: i didnt know you were a language professor
[10:21] <WhiteRabbit> dazvid, funny stuff hu ;)~
[10:21] <WhiteRabbit> DVSoftware, at least we know your not cathlic
[10:21] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: is checked and the green button is, well, green
[10:22] <Seveas> nalioth, I'm not, I only speek 4 languages (and a gazillion programming languages ;))
[10:22] <Red_Bullet> Seveas,  what to add in sources.list
[10:22] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, guess what that means!
[10:22] <DVSoftware> brownie17: kde
[10:22] <chavo> brownie17, you can use KDE apps in gnome and vice versa
[10:22] <Seveas> Red_Bullet: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[10:22] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: its fixed? yay!!!
[10:22] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, your bum is in fact fixed
[10:22] <brownie17> chavo: seriously? you sure?
[10:22] <dazvid> Seveas: which languages?
[10:22] <brownie17> chavo: then why bother making them for KDE and for GNome
[10:22] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: yeah! thank you for teaching me about bums
[10:22] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, my pal account number is 555555555 that'll be 160$ us for 2 hours tech
[10:22] <WhiteRabbit> lol
[10:22] <glyn> How do I enable writing on my Windows drive in Ubuntu?  Note that my windows drive is unbootable right now so I can't really mess it up anymore
[10:23] <chavo> brownie17, it's a long story
[10:23] <chavo> I'm using xchat in KDE
[10:23] <DVSoftware> brownie17: amarok doesn't depend on kde afaik
[10:23] <brownie17> chavo, ok.
[10:23] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: the cheque is in the mail
[10:23] <Seveas> glyn, is it ntfs or fat?
[10:23] <thoreauputic> WhiteRabbit: you're undercharging :)
[10:23] <glyn> ntfs
[10:23] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: seriously, thanks!!
[10:23] <DVSoftware> brownie17: it depends only on qt
[10:23] <DVSoftware> lemme see
[10:23] <Seveas> glyn, in that case: not possible
[10:23] <chavo> no amarok is kde
[10:23] <brownie17> DVSoftware, whats qt and afaik?
[10:23] <chavo> it's in kdemultimedia
[10:23] <WhiteRabbit> thoreauputic, you never saw what I install for businesses I don't like!
[10:24] <DVSoftware> afaik - as far as i know
[10:24] <thoreauputic> WhiteRabbit: rofl
[10:24] <WhiteRabbit> thoreauputic, a 3 day gentoo install at $80 dollars a hour
[10:24] <glyn> well, heh..I'm not sure if it's ntfs for sure, how do I check to make sure?
[10:24] <DVSoftware> qt is widget library
[10:24] <thoreauputic> WhiteRabbit: nice work if you can get it :)
[10:24] <WhiteRabbit> $5769.00
[10:24] <thoreauputic> heh
[10:24] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, you are my idol :)
[10:24] <WhiteRabbit> I've done it 3 times this year along
[10:25] <WhiteRabbit> they must have gentoo so I sock it to em
[10:25] <glyn> nm it is ntfs..
[10:25] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit,  what did they do to annoy you? :)
[10:25] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: in what country?  I'm connected to the core but now what? I cannot find where to tell mkdonkey to accept en download this .torrent file i halve
[10:26] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, DVSoftware  says its going to take another 20 mins to download amarok
[10:27] <henk> s/halve/have
[10:27] <DVSoftware> henk: errrm... i can't help you, i didn't used mldonkey over a year
[10:27] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, sudo apt-get tcniso
[10:27] <WhiteRabbit> muhahahah
[10:27] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit,  what is tcniso?
[10:27] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, badass
[10:28] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, that one looks good
[10:28] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, don't even look for it just forget I said it lol
[10:28] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, it did nothing
[10:28] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, just forget about it trust me
[10:28] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit,  ok? but it didnt work anyway, said no such operating or something
[10:28] <Red_Bullet> Seveas,  but can't find mplayer
[10:28] <Red_Bullet> :((
[10:28] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, just forget bout it
[10:28] <WhiteRabbit> lol
[10:29] <thoreauputic> brownie17: he was kidding, and he got the syntax wrong anyway :)
[10:29] <WhiteRabbit> Red_Bullet, mplayer-gui
[10:29] <Red_Bullet> what to do
[10:29] <Seveas> Red_Bullet, that's in *multiverse* and you did not enable that
[10:29] <brownie17> thoreauputic, ok
[10:29] <Red_Bullet> how to enable
[10:29] <Seveas> add the word multiverse to all lines ending with universe
[10:30] <Red_Bullet> where to add multiverse to the end of link
[10:30] <Red_Bullet> to the end
[10:30] <Seveas> yes at the end of the line
[10:30] <Red_Bullet> ?
[10:30] <WhiteRabbit> only furians can handle the multiverse
[10:30] <Red_Bullet> yes 10x
[10:30] <glyn> what's a simple free way to convert NTFS into FAT?
[10:30] <Seveas> glyn, formatting :)
[10:30] <WhiteRabbit> I to can kill with a teacup!
[10:31] <glyn> that won't work because I don't have a windows XP setup disk and I want to keep my files
[10:31] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, a chinse fighting teacup? or just a normal?
[10:32] <aftertaf> glyn:  do with it what you will------->        http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[10:32] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, you never saw riddick have you
[10:32] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, nope. isn't there a sequal now?
[10:33] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, well when he was in creamatoria he killed a man with a teacup
[10:33] <brownie17> WhiteRabbit, that's arnachy down to a fine art
[10:34] <WhiteRabbit> brownie17, plus they talk about the underverse so much I feel the next one will be all about the multiverse
[10:34] <nalioth> glyn: yes, but no data will be left over
[10:34] <robotgeek> brownie17,WhiteRabbit : #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:34] <WhiteRabbit> robotgeek, sure thing fucklefick
[10:35] <thoreauputic> gentlemen, gentlemen .. no fighting please - think of the furniture!
[10:35] <nalioth> that is not very respectful
[10:35] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: bad news... bum didn't seem to fix it... i just rebooted and got the same error
[10:35] <brownie17> robotgeek: sire, yes sir!
[10:36] <wickedpuppy> where does the kernel save the config file after doing makeconfig ?
[10:36] <WhiteRabbit> bum is not a fix it's a service monitor kinda deal with acces to cust the services
[10:36] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: so something other than acpi must be screwy then? cause that is switched on (according to bum)
[10:37] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: could it be the HAL! error i also get?
[10:38] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, ug
[10:38] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, see how long the battery last!
[10:38] <WhiteRabbit> fluffybunny_, I must go take care of something before I goto bed ;)~
[10:38] <fluffybunny_> WhiteRabbit: thanks... enjoy bed... :)
[10:38] <WhiteRabbit> if only!
[10:40] <glyn> aftertaf>Can you help me install Captive please?
[10:40] <kamstrup> wickedpuppy: .config
[10:41] <wickedpuppy> ah okie
[10:41] <wickedpuppy> thanks
[10:41] <nalioth> glyn: you realize you could destroy your NTFS partition that way, right?
[10:42] <glyn> yes, I told you guys it's already pretty much destroyed anyways
[10:42] <wickedpuppy> in my .config i got ext2 support as yes .. but when i do lsmod .. there is no ext2 ... anyone know why ?
[10:42] <nalioth> glyn: then why not convert the partition to ext3?
[10:42] <glyn> the reason I'm writing on it is because I'm trying to get it to work
[10:42] <kamstrup> wickedpuppy: because it's compiled in to the kernel. It's not a module
[10:42] <nalioth> glyn: ah Dr. Frankenstein
[10:42] <glyn> lol
[10:43] <glyn> I can't figure out how to install Captive though
[10:43] <wickedpuppy> ah then when i boot my livecd , i get error saying Module ext2 is not found ???
[10:44] <wickedpuppy> btw ext3 is a module ... so are all fs .. no ?
[10:44] <kamstrup> wickedpuppy: In the kernel config "y" means "compile it into the kernel" and "m" means compile it as a module
[10:44] <bmecoli-> shitcock... I'm gettting tired
[10:45] <wickedpuppy> ah ... thanks dude
[10:45] <wickedpuppy> so if i got the above error... what should i do ?
[10:45] <Seveas> bmecoli-, watch your language....
[10:45] <wickedpuppy> compile as module or into the kernel ?
[10:45] <bmecoli-> >.>
[10:45] <kamstrup> wickedpuppy: In principle you could compile any fs into the kernel
[10:46] <wickedpuppy> then why my kernel is complaining about the missing module?
[10:46] <wickedpuppy> i am pretty confused
[10:46] <glyn> how do I search for a "configure" file through the terminal?
[10:47] <minime-> search?
[10:47] <wickedpuppy> find <path> -name "configure" -print
[10:48] <fhl0e> anyone who knows about Wine, and more specific running NetOp 6 with Wine??
[10:48] <Red_Bullet> Seveas,  to the end of line must be universe multiverse
[10:48] <Red_Bullet> ???
[10:48] <Seveas> yes
[10:48] <Red_Bullet> in sources.list
[10:48] <Red_Bullet> ok 10x
[10:48] <kamstrup> wickedpuppy: dunno why it complains... Are we talking live cd or an installation?
[10:48] <Red_Bullet> when the download for xfce
[10:48] <Red_Bullet> end i will edit
[10:48] <Red_Bullet> file
[10:49] <Frafra> hi all
[10:49] <Frafra> if i upgrade from hoary to breezy, x will works?
[10:49] <aftertaf> Frafra:  wait for stable...
[10:49] <wickedpuppy> kamstrup, livecd ... specifically live usb flashdisk
[10:49] <kamstrup> wickedpuppy: oh...
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Frafra: if you need to ask that, don't
[10:50] <wickedpuppy> first i keep getting errors it can't find init
[10:50] <kamstrup> wickedpuppy: but it does work, no?
[10:50] <wickedpuppy> now i got error saying Module ext2 is not found
[10:50] <glyn> can anyone help me with a tar file I extracted and how to install it?
[10:50] <Frafra> thoreauputic: why?
[10:50] <idab> hey anyone know a partion manager?
[10:50] <wickedpuppy> grub loads and initrd is loaded ... but something is wrong
[10:50] <wickedpuppy> idab, try qparted
[10:50] <aftertaf> glyn:  not much i can help you with... i got it working once, then crashed my ntfs. WIndows no longer recognised it, but captive did, so i moved erything to another partition and formatted FAT
[10:50] <idab> thanks wickedpuppy
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Frafra: well, suppose X doesn't work - do you know how to fix it?
[10:51] <wickedpuppy> np
[10:51] <wickedpuppy> idab, if you are terminal fan ... try fdisk :P
[10:51] <aftertaf> for info, Zin can't do more than ~30 gig FAT32, linux can though
[10:51] <idab> :P
[10:51] <Frafra> thoreauputic: no
[10:51] <aftertaf> lol thoreauputic ...
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Frafra: so don't upgrade to Breezy
[10:52] <wickedpuppy> lol
[10:52] <Frafra> thoreauputic: :D
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Frafra: until it's stable
[10:52] <wickedpuppy> thoreauputic, why not let him screw and learn ???
[10:52] <bmecoli-> eh... I think I might just forget it for now
[10:52] <thoreauputic> wickedpuppy: well, it's up to him...
[10:52] <aftertaf> wickedpuppy is evil...
[10:52] <osfameron> heh, there's a good number of people talking on #ubuntu-unregged
[10:52] <wickedpuppy> lol
[10:53] <glyn> aftertaf>How did you get it working once?
[10:53] <glyn> it says there's an install file for instructions, but there isn't..this is horrible
[10:53] <idab> hey wickedpuppy where can i get it/
[10:53] <kamstrup> wickedpuppy: in 99.999999% of all kernels ext2 is compiled in, so it quite strange that it expects an ext2 module
[10:53] <wickedpuppy> get what ?
[10:53] <aftertaf> glyn:  do ./configure first
[10:53] <glyn> it just tells me no such file or directory
[10:53] <Seveas> kamstrup, on ubutnu kernels all filesystems are modules
[10:54] <wickedpuppy> all ?
[10:54] <idab> wickedpuppy, qparted
[10:54] <Seveas> kamstrup, monilithic-everything-built-in-kernels are obsolete
[10:54] <wickedpuppy> idab, synaptic
[10:54] <idab> ok
[10:54] <wickedpuppy> so Seveas if i do lsmod and ext2 is not there then kernel doesn't support it ?
[10:54] <glyn> it says :glyn@Haksmoke:~$ ./configure
[10:54] <glyn> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[10:55] <wickedpuppy> glyn, is the file configure in your current directory ?
[10:55] <Seveas> wickedpuppy, it just means it isn't loaded yet
[10:55] <wickedpuppy> ./ means run a file in current dir
[10:55] <glyn> I don't know, I can't even find a file configure
[10:55] <wickedpuppy> Seveas, then what about live cds ???
[10:56] <wickedpuppy> glyn, go in to the unzipped dir
[10:56] <wickedpuppy> it should be there
[10:56] <glyn> It's not
[10:56] <glyn> only 4 folders
[10:56] <kamstrup> Seveas: I know... But try looking at "ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs"
[10:56] <Seveas> they don't need ext2 until you start mounting ext2 disks (which should modprobe it)
[10:56] <Cashel> howdies
[10:56] <wickedpuppy> then its nowhere ... config will come with tar.gz file
[10:56] <kamstrup> Seveas: Do you see and ext2 module?
[10:56] <Seveas> kamstrup, live or install?
[10:56] <wickedpuppy> kamstrup, no ext2 only ext3
[10:56] <Seveas> I'm talking about installed systems
[10:56] <wickedpuppy> i am going nut over that
[10:57] <glyn> wicked, there seems to be no configure file in the extracted directory
[10:57] <Cashel> Is there going to be any nasty suprises for me if I use a kernel.org kernel instead of an ubuntu prefab? Want to try 2.6.13 or maybe a test kernel..
[10:57] <Seveas> kamstrup, /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/fs/ext2/ext2.ko
[10:57] <Seveas> there :)
[10:57] <wickedpuppy> glyn, impossible ....if it is not there... there isn't a config for your program
[10:57] <Seveas> Cashel, very well possible
[10:58] <kamstrup> Seveas: grep "EXT2" /media/hoary/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/.config
[10:58] <kamstrup> CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
[10:58] <glyn> that's retarded..lol
[10:58] <cvt> do you know how to get rid of the error copying files from an external hd?
[10:58] <cvt> the files are in perfect shape
[10:58] <cvt> they're mp3's
[10:58] <Seveas> kamstrup, livecd?
[10:58] <idab> hey can anyone tll me a the command to install compilers
[10:58] <wickedpuppy> glyn, why ?
[10:58] <mgedmin> apt says it cannot authenticate the apache2 hoary security update
[10:58] <wickedpuppy> idab, try apt-get install gcc
[10:58] <mgedmin> has the ubuntu archive key changed?
[10:58] <kamstrup> Seveas: ?
[10:58] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ grep -i ext2 /boot/config-2.6.10-5-686
[10:58] <Seveas> CONFIG_EXT2_FS=m
[10:58] <Cashel> Seveas, what should a be ready for that'd be different then in another distro?? I've compiled a few times in the past on rpm based distros... from source not src-rpm...
[10:58] <idab> thanks
[10:58] <mgedmin> apt-key list shows I have the one created 2004-09-12 (1024D/437D05B5)
[10:59] <Cashel> s/a/I/
[10:59] <glyn> I don't know why it's not there
[10:59] <thoreauputic> wickedpuppy: umm - apt-get install build-essential actually
[10:59] <Seveas> Cashel, try to stick to make-kpkg for creating kernel packages
[10:59] <Seveas> that way you easily install/remove them
[10:59] <kamstrup> Seveas: K. Will work for a lcd
[10:59] <thoreauputic> idab: install build-essential
[10:59] <wickedpuppy> billy@wickedpuppy:/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/fs$ grep -i ext2 /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386
[10:59] <wickedpuppy> CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
[10:59] <Seveas> Cashel, wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompilHowto
[11:00] <wickedpuppy> funny
[11:00] <Cashel> ahh thanks again
[11:00] <thoreauputic> idab: it's a more complete compiler package
[11:00] <wickedpuppy> why the difference ? 386 and 686 ?
[11:00] <idab> thoreauputic, thanks :)
[11:00] <Seveas> wickedpuppy, the /boot/config-* files are the better source for information
[11:00] <thoreauputic> idab: no worries :)
[11:00] <Seveas> ah nvm you were there
[11:00] <wickedpuppy> look at my boot-config ... it says its installed into my kernel
[11:00] <wickedpuppy> funny
[11:01] <Seveas> yeah, funny indeed :)
[11:01] <sepmike> anyone have experience with ESD and mplayer or xmms?
[11:01] <Seveas> sepmike: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[11:02] <Seveas> for mplayer: in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf, you set: ao=esd
[11:03] <sepmike> i tried esound in xmms and it said check... error
[11:03] <aftertaf> Seveas:  i was wrong yesterday.. it's not NAT i need, it's a pure router (the server doesnt have one foot on the internet)
[11:03] <sepmike> i'll try mplayer conf
[11:04] <glyn> ahh my system is freezng what do I do?
[11:04] <kamstrup> Seveas: Try "grep 9660 /boot/config-2.6.10-5-686", I'd expect that you need CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y
[11:05] <Cashel> Ahhh KernelByHandHowto, excellent :)
[11:05] <Seveas> kamstrup, =m
[11:05] <sepmike> mplayer.conf can't be found
[11:05] <idab> thoreauputic, can you tell a command to update tcl?
[11:05] <kamstrup> Seveas: This beats me... But if it works, I'm happy ;-P
[11:05] <brownie17> DVSoftware, WhiteRabbit help! i installed amarok and now rythmbox won't play music!!!
[11:05] <thoreauputic> idab: I don't even understand the question
[11:06] <environ> hi! anybody got fglrx xorg drivers up and running?
[11:06] <brownie17> environ, are you talking about ATI?
[11:06] <environ> yes
[11:06] <thoreauputic> idab: do mean the tcl language/ widget things?
[11:06] <idab> thoreauputic, :   Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[11:06] <brownie17> not me
[11:06] <mgedmin> sepmike, create a file ~/.mplayer/config that contains 'ao = esd'
[11:06] <environ> i need an older version of /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a ...
[11:06] <environ> the one which comes with hoary
[11:06] <Seveas> kamstrup, initrd/initramfs :)
[11:07] <brownie17> thoreauputic, i installed amarok and now the sound isnt playing
[11:07] <thoreauputic> idab: ah - apt-cache serch tcl I guess (to find what you need)
[11:07] <idab> oik
[11:07] <thoreauputic> brownie17: why are you telling me?
[11:07] <Cashel> environ, dpkg --reinstall xorg-driver-fglrx?
[11:07] <mgedmin> sepmike, you might also want to tell mplayer to use the xv video driver that supports hardware video scaling -- to do so add 'vo = xv' to .mplayer/config
[11:07] <thoreauputic> idab: sorry apt-cache search
[11:07] <thoreauputic> of course
[11:07] <wickedpuppy> ok i gotta ask a stupid question ... why my kernel is 386 and your kernels are 686 ??
[11:07] <brownie17> thoreauputic, i was hoping you could help me. or is this not what this channel is for, boy?
[11:07] <DVSoftware> brownie17: i don't think that they conflicts
[11:08] <thoreauputic> brownie17: :(
[11:08] <brownie17> DVSoftware,  well either did I
[11:08] <DVSoftware> lemme try
[11:08] <wickedpuppy> brownie17, you got mp3 plsugin ?
[11:08] <DVSoftware> to play musc in rhytmbox
[11:08] <brownie17> should i have to....(dare i say it?) ....reboot?
[11:08] <thoreauputic> brownie17: I meant why me personally - but nm
[11:08] <environ> Cashel: i just installed that driver..
[11:08] <brownie17> wickedpuppy: it was all working, and yes mp3's did. im playing a file i was playing ten mins ago
[11:08] <thoreauputic> brownie17: and don't call me boy, please
[11:08] <Cashel> environ, excuse me, I meant dpkg -i --force-overwrite
[11:09] <brownie17> thoreauputic, hahah, sorry
[11:09] <Cashel> oh? Is dri seperate?
[11:09] <brownie17> thoreauputic, should i have to....(dare i say it?) ....reboot?
[11:09] <environ> Cashel, i used the apt-get version
[11:09] <environ> i think it works, it just needs an older version of that libdri.a file
[11:09] <kamstrup> Seveas: I've just had my share of problems in the past with not compiling ext2 in... But im mostly a "CONFIG_RAMFS=y"-kinda guy :D
[11:10] <sepmike> I chaned the config but it's still looking for asla
[11:10] <aftertaf> i've got eth0 and a 'virtual' eth 0:1 up and running... but now the PC says no route to host when i try to connect to the proxy via the LAN on eth0.
[11:10] <Cashel> environ, tried that myself, had to go w/ the proprietary 8.14.13 tho...
[11:10] <aftertaf> when i type route, i get both IP subnets and both have * for gateway. :/
[11:10] <Cashel> environ, you getting the failed to load dri hw not recognized bit?
[11:10] <sepmike> in the available drivers section in gmplayer it doesnt even have the option of ESD\
[11:10] <brownie17> DVSoftware,  ARGH! amarok doesnt close when you click X
[11:10] <environ> no i get wrong dri version
[11:10] <Cashel> ahh
[11:11] <brownie17> DVSoftware, they were both running
[11:11] <DVSoftware> brownie17: i don't have that problems
[11:11] <environ> (EE) fglrx(0): R200DRIScreenInit failed (DRI version = 4.0.0, expected 4.1.0). Disabling DRI.
[11:11] <DVSoftware> try changing output plugin
[11:11] <brownie17> DVSoftware, i haven't customised amarok
[11:11] <Cashel> environ, that you mean you need a newer dri not older...
[11:11] <environ> do you have hoary? could you send me the file mayb?
[11:12] <Cashel> I can, but I'm not sure it'll do you any good since I'm using fglrx .14.13
[11:12] <mgedmin> sepmike, run 'mplayer -ao help' in a console -- it will list all available audio drivers
[11:12] <environ> no thats because i've overwritten it with some file on the net
[11:12] <mgedmin> if it doesn't mention esd, then you have a problem
[11:12] <environ> previously i got 5.0.0 which is to new
[11:12] <brownie17> DVSoftware, and btw, amarok doesnt have a media library either ;9
[11:12] <brownie17> ;(*
[11:12] <DVSoftware> brownie17: it has media lib
[11:12] <brownie17> DVSoftware, how? it isnt easily accessable
[11:13] <sepmike> mgedmin, ESD is not listed when I type what you wrote
[11:13] <thoreauputic> brownie17: you haven't looked very hard , have you?
[11:13] <DVSoftware> take a look at sidebar
[11:13] <brownie17> thoreauputic,  nope :)
[11:13] <Cashel> environ, where is that at , save me looking>?  :)
[11:13] <environ>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:13] <Cashel> noo that's the log, I meant the file, heh
[11:13] <environ> i think it doesnt matter, since its a lib which comes with xorg
[11:13] <thoreauputic> brownie17: amarok can classify your media in anumber of differnet views, in fact
[11:13] <mgedmin> sepmike, did you compile mplayer from source, or did you install a deb from somewhere?
[11:14] <environ> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a ...
[11:14] <Cashel> ? /usr/x11r6/lib/modules/fglrx_dri.so
[11:14] <Cashel> ahh
[11:14] <sepmike> source from the tut on the ubuntuforums.org site
[11:14] <environ> thank you :X
[11:14] <brownie17> thoreauputic, so far i still only like rythmbox
[11:14] <thoreauputic> *shrug*
[11:15] <mgedmin> sepmike, then it means you didn't have the necessary headers/libraryes to compile in esd support
[11:15] <thoreauputic> whatever, I like cplay and ogg123
[11:15] <DVSoftware> brownie17: rhytmbox doesn't play music here
[11:15] <mgedmin> sepmike, I use mplayer-586 deb which came from marillat's repository, iirc
[11:15] <DVSoftware> brownie17: and it seems not to support my aac files
[11:15] <sepmike> ahh
[11:15] <Cashel> environ, for the record, this is a bad idea :P
[11:15] <sepmike> well I wonder if there is away to uninstall this one I did from source?
[11:16] <environ> i know, i tryed everything else before, noW im doing it the hard way ^^
[11:16] <cvt> how does my setup look?  http://tinypic.com/dlix3n.png
[11:16] <environ> brb
[11:16] <Cashel> Anyone using a test kernel and happy with it?
[11:17] <DVSoftware> cvt: i like kde more
[11:17] <henk> I'm listening to some mp3 with amaroK, but i'm hearing a lot of 'artifacts' on the sound, The quality is bad.. the load on my box is 0,12 and my hd's are on DMA so the bitstream should be ok i guess. Does anyone know what i may do to get this better ?
[11:17] <cvt> you have ubuntu on KDE?
[11:17] <cvt> i thought all ubuntu was gnome
[11:17] <DVSoftware> Cashel: that kernel is not meant to be used
[11:18] <Cashel> why do you say that DVSoftware ?
[11:18] <brownie17> DVSoftware,  nah i think rhythmbox will do fine
[11:18] <DVSoftware> cvt sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <cvt> where?
[11:18] <DVSoftware> Cashel: because it's test kernel
[11:18] <DVSoftware> cvt: terminal
[11:18] <Cashel> DVSoftware, yes I know that...
[11:18] <thoreauputic> cvt: that's the command to install KDE
[11:18] <DVSoftware> that will install kde desktop
[11:18] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:19] <DVSoftware> henk: try different output plugin
[11:19] <thoreauputic> jgotangco: BeerDump? hah!
[11:19] <cvt> DVSoftware, what's the command to change it back?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[11:20] <cvt> i'm going to try it
[11:20] <DVSoftware> cvt: you can choose your desktop in gdm
[11:20] <squidinkcalligra> I've just installed windows and it's overwritten the boot block. I dunno how to use grub to fix this (More accustomed to lilo). Is there a simple command to do this?
[11:20] <idab> can anyone tell a good ftp software?
[11:20] <cvt> i like kde better myself
[11:20] <jgotangco> heh
[11:20] <thoreauputic> idab: server or client?
[11:20] <DVSoftware> henk:
[11:20] <idab> client
[11:20] <Seveas> jerome, take it easy on the alcohol dude :)
[11:20] <onkarshinde> squidinkcalligra: If you have Ubuntu cd then boot using it in rescue mode and then install grub again.
[11:20] <DVSoftware> 11:20:45 up 2 days, 15:08,  2 users,  load average: 0.31, 0.67, 0.60
[11:20] <idab> thoreauputic, : client please
[11:20] <DVSoftware> my load is  higher
[11:21] <DVSoftware> and my amarok plays without problem
[11:21] <henk> DVSoftware, hmm amarok has an "engine" option but it lists no engines at all
[11:21] <DVSoftware> (even aac file)
[11:21] <thoreauputic> idab: gftp is OK - nautilus file manager can do ftp too
[11:21] <DVSoftware> henk: install amarok-gstreamer package
[11:21] <idab> thanks a lot thoreauputic
[11:21] <Cashel> linux-tree = source ?
[11:21] <squidinkcalligra> onkarshinde: I'm in a shell, chrooted to my original root - do you know what the command is?
[11:21] <Cashel> it used to but seems its a seperate package....
[11:22] <henk> DVSoftware, ah i see i'm now installing all amarok engines
[11:23] <onkarshinde> squidinkcalligra: I suppose the command is grub-install. But make sure that the grub configuration file is having entry for Windows, else you won't be able to boot Windows. Also make sure other entries correspond to correct partitions.
[11:24] <thoreauputic> syntax error:  BeerDump<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by *beer*)]
[11:24] <Red_Bullet> can I create desktop icons in xfce4 ???
[11:24] <BeerDump> yeah
[11:24] <BeerDump> sucky dsl
[11:24] <GNU-GPL> .
[11:24] <thoreauputic> BeerDump: :D
[11:24] <n3trunner> just wondering, is there a command to know what desktop environment/WM is currently running?
[11:25] <squidinkcalligra> onkarshinde: Thanks - that fixed it. (well, we'll see after a reboot).
[11:25] <thoreauputic> n3trunner: you can't tell by looking??
[11:25] <n3trunner> its not for me..
[11:25] <n3trunner> this is funny. but the other person i'm talking to isnt sure what DE he is using
[11:26] <cvt> do you know how to get a hardware monitor for my desktop that tells me the temp., hd space left, and ram usage, uptime, etc?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> n3trunner: hmm - ps aux |grep <something>
[11:26] <aftertaf> cvt:  superkaramba
[11:26] <cvt> k
[11:26] <thoreauputic> n3trunner: like ps aux | grep metacity (or kwin or whatever)
[11:27] <thoreauputic> n3trunner: if it's gnome it would be gnome-session
[11:27] <Gnonthgol> how to get the source of /sbin/getty?
[11:28] <henk> DVSoftware, the gstreamer did nothing on my box, amarok didn't play when that engine was selected. However the xine engine seems to be working whithout problems.
[11:28] <DVSoftware> i'm using gstreamer here
[11:28] <DVSoftware> and it plays fine
[11:28] <n3trunner> thoreauputic: got it, thanks alot!
[11:28] <thoreauputic> n3trunner: no problem  :)
[11:30] <goo> This question is probably asked a 1000 times: Will Gnome 2.12 make it into breezy ?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> goo: yes
[11:30] <goo> thoreauputic: woho!
[11:31] <thoreauputic> goo: each ubuntu release is co-ordinated with  gnome releases
[11:31] <cvt> Do i have to reboot for the kde changes to take place?
[11:31] <aftertaf> cvt:  no
[11:31] <thoreauputic> cvt: just log out of the session
[11:31] <cvt> hmm
[11:31] <cvt> ok
[11:31] <aftertaf> never ever reboot in linux
[11:31] <cvt> oh
[11:32] <cvt> yeah
[11:32] <thoreauputic> cvt: choose the new session in the sessions menu
[11:32] <cvt> that's right. thx
[11:32] <goo> thoreauputic: very nice indeed. Saves me a lot of integration which I had to have been doing manually using that Other Distro I was flirting with before Ubuntu.
[11:32] <thoreauputic> goo: :)
[11:33] <goo> (She was a b*tch, so I left her)
[11:33] <goo> :)
[11:33] <sepmike> mgedmin, thanks got it working now
[11:33] <henk> aftertaf, there are things that can go wrong in linux that are only solved by rebooting. So 'never ever reboot' is overstating it i think
[11:36] <osfameron> ooo!  Totem opens .ram streams!
[11:36] <GNU-GPL> so does Realplayer
[11:36] <GNU-GPL> :P
[11:36] <henk> ah ok, in that case you are absolutely right never ever reboot in linux ! (unless the 32-bit uptime counter has rotated just like mine did once and you are annoyed by the message it gives you, but hey you need a few years of uptime for that to happen)
[11:37] <osfameron> GNU-GPL: yeah, well, I'm happy not to have to install Real 'cos it annoyed me on Win
[11:38] <Seveas> hi doggie
[11:38] <GNU-GPL> right.. well this is linux....
[11:38] <GNU-GPL> :P
[11:38] <gorilla> henk: what distro is that machien running?
[11:38] <DVSoftware> henk: w00t!
[11:39] <gorilla> machine rather
[11:39] <onkarshinde> osfameron: In my opinion Totem, Mplayer, Xine, VLC have evolved really well over time. They are the best Free players available.
[11:39] <brownie17> dvsoftware? really? am i mistaken in that aac is the ipod format
[11:39] <Seveas> henk, woah bad idea
[11:39] <DVSoftware> brownie17: no it is not
[11:39] <nalioth> Seveas: i wish i could find the bug that causes this box to freeze solid
[11:39] <DVSoftware> aac=advanced audio codec
[11:39] <Seveas> tracking kernel security updates is way more important than a long uptime...
[11:39] <brownie17> DVSoftware, oh ok, what is aac commonly used for?
[11:39] <DVSoftware> and it is opensource afaik
[11:40] <brownie17> !afaik
[11:40] <ubotu> brownie17: I give up, what is it?
[11:40] <DVSoftware> as far as i know
[11:40] <brownie17> DVSoftware, aahhhh, it all becomes clear
[11:40] <onkarshinde> DVSoftware: aac is a fork pf mpeg afaik
[11:40] <osfameron> onkarshinde: yeah, they're pretty good.  I wish they wouldn't just crash when you don't have the right codecs though (actually, can't get mplayer to do anything at all...)
[11:40] <DVSoftware> onkarshinde: yeah it can be mpeg2 or mpeg4
[11:40] <henk> it was a dual p500 on debian ( the uptime counter rotates twice as fast for dual cpu) but nervertheless it had an uptime of about 430 days before i *had* to reboot it because the latest exploitable bug in the kernel couldn't be fixed with a module... shame
[11:40] <DVSoftware> and it's quality is outstanding at low bitrates
[11:41] <onkarshinde> osfameron: I have used VLC quite a lot and I am quite satisfied.
[11:41] <GNU-GPL> ogg rulez
[11:41] <osfameron> onkarshinde: yeah, I installed vlc on gf's iBook to get it to play Windows media - couldn't work out how to get QuickTime to do it :-)
[11:42] <GNU-GPL> in mplayer this is easy..
[11:42] <henk> Seveas,  why it that a bad idea?
[11:42] <onkarshinde> osfameron: I also recomended it to my bro for his iBook because QT won't play fullscreen
[11:42] <Seveas> tracking kernel security updates is way more important than a long uptime... <-- but of course modules help...
[11:42] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: the default QT is nagware as well
[11:42] <goo> Hmm.. is Gnome 2.12 already in the sources that's about to be Breezy?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> on OS-X
[11:43] <GNU-GPL> Seveas, that all depends on the if it applies to your setup
[11:43] <elekis> hi, I need help, I try to install clanlib 7.0
[11:43] <gorilla> Seveas, depends on what attack vectors are avvailble to attackers :-)
[11:43] <onkarshinde> goo: Didn't you read the announcement of Breezy preview?
[11:43] <DVSoftware> Seveas: my longest uptime was 14 days
[11:43] <DVSoftware> :D
[11:43] <elekis> but he say (synaptic ) no
[11:43] <goo> onkarshinde: noooo... But i will!
[11:43] <onkarshinde> goo: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-September/000031.html
[11:44] <DVSoftware> Seveas: fsckin power outages :D
[11:44] <DVSoftware> need to get ups
[11:44] <henk> Seveas, well security was never compromised on the box until a remote exploit became unpatchable. There where some local exploits but the people on it where my partners
[11:44] <GNU-GPL> or a better power supplier
[11:44] <GNU-GPL> :P
[11:44] <goo> onkarshinde: yup, found it in the topic - and hey, Gnome 2.12 is in there :))
[11:44] <goo> onkarshinde: thanks
[11:44] <DVSoftware> GNU-GPL: i have notebook now
[11:44] <GNU-GPL> ok
[11:44] <DVSoftware> so i  don't care about power outages
[11:44] <DVSoftware> :D
[11:45] <GNU-GPL> :P
[11:45] <onkarshinde> goo: Lots of other good things. Gnome2.12 itself has many improvements.
[11:45] <aftertaf> like implementing KDE?
[11:45] <gorilla> DVSoftware, you obviously haven't worked in a enterprise, nor lived in a maginal power area.
[11:45] <Ng> aftertaf: he said good ;)
[11:46] <goo> onkarshinde: Maybe you could point me to a sources.list for breezy so I don't need to muck about with CD's ?
[11:46] <DVSoftware> errrrmmm gorilla didn't really understood you :S
[11:46] <thoreauputic> !update2breezy
[11:46] <GNU-GPL> GNOME suck
[11:46] <ubotu> thoreauputic: What?
[11:46] <echylo> hi, can a hoary user please output his uname -a
[11:46] <GNU-GPL> it's old fasioned
[11:46] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:46] <DVSoftware> gorilla: enterprise in serbia
[11:46] <DVSoftware> is it joke?
[11:46] <thoreauputic> !upgrade2breezy
[11:46] <ubotu> methinks upgrade2breezy is sudo sed -e 's/hoary/breezy/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or if and when it breaks your computer, you get to keep both pieces
[11:46] <thoreauputic> aha
[11:47] <GNU-GPL> !gnome
[11:47] <ubotu> rumour has it, gnome is an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users. see http://gnome.org for details.
[11:47] <GNU-GPL> !kde
[11:47] <ubotu> A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[11:47] <gorilla> DVSoftware, I mean if you don't care about pwoer outages, you obviously haven't worked in a large organisation or in an area with bad power.
[11:47] <onkarshinde> goo: You only need to add lines for 'breezy' distro as there are already for 'hoary'
[11:47] <kethinov> has anyone had issues with lockups using nvidia-glx in breezy?
[11:47] <DVSoftware> gorilla: actually i live in area with very bad power
[11:47] <goo> onkarshinde: that's too simple. Are you trying to trick me? :) Thanks!
[11:47] <thoreauputic>  for end-users. see
[11:47] <GNU-GPL> see.. even ubotu says: powerfull
[11:47] <GNU-GPL> :P
[11:47] <thoreauputic> oops
[11:47] <osfameron> thoreauputic: oh, I looked up xinerama yesterday for managing 2 screens
[11:48] <osfameron> thoreauputic: but there's only libxinerama in repos, can't find an actual client tool
[11:48] <[A] ndy80> how can I sent Sound Juicer to make it encode in mp3 instead of ogg by default?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> goo: welcome to the land of Debian distros :)
[11:48] <cosmotroll> hi
[11:48] <gorilla> kethinov, go back to hoary... breezy has a broken X server.
[11:48] <DVSoftware> gorilla: old news
[11:48] <DVSoftware> [ OS: ]  testing/unstable Kernel: 2.6.12-8-amd64-generic | XOrg: X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Ubuntu 6.8.2-56<PHONE_NUMBER>4618<EMAIL_ADDRESS> | KVirc: <IP_ADDRESS> | Desktop KDE
[11:48] <GNU-GPL> i mean most people find XP desktop attractive.. but ehm.. is it stable? speedy?
[11:48] <DVSoftware> i run breezy
[11:48] <kethinov> gorilla, my x server works fine. the proprietary nvidia driver doesn't the oss one does though
[11:49] <GNU-GPL> i run breezy too
[11:49] <onkarshinde> goo: I have myself fount debian package management, apt-get far simpler than RPM.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> osfameron: it was just a tip - I can't afford multiple monitors so i don't know anything about it :)
[11:49] <GNU-GPL> (with hoary kernel though)
[11:49] <onkarshinde> DVSoftware: Any speed improvements over Hoary?
[11:49] <idab> hey thoreauputic tell me a good ssh server
[11:49] <DVSoftware> onkarshinde: i don't notice
[11:49] <thoreauputic> idab: openssh-server
[11:49] <DVSoftware> i'm using 64bit cpu
[11:49] <brownie17> DVSoftware, what big differences are there?
[11:49] <osfameron> thoreauputic: heh, me neither right now, but have flat screen at work :-)
[11:50] <idab> thanks
[11:50] <onkarshinde> [A] ndy80: the answer to your question is to install lame
[11:50] <GNU-GPL> brownie17, newest shit
[11:50] <GNU-GPL> :)
[11:50] <DVSoftware> brownie17: new packages mostly
[11:50] <brownie17> okay
[11:50] <[A] ndy80> onkarshinde: I installed lame...
[11:50] <goo> onkarshinde: Yes, me too. I started using Debian in ~2000 after doing Red Hat for a couple of years. It was a world of differences.
[11:50] <[A] ndy80> onkarshinde: I don't know how to integrate it with sound juicer
[11:50] <onkarshinde> [A] ndy80: Then are you facing trouble configuring Sound-juicer?
[11:50] <cosmotroll> I've deleted the file /usr/bin/lpr (i know i should mv ;) ) to make a symbolic link to gtklp, however even exporting GTKLP_FORCEX=1 in my profile and sourcing it, lpr do not launch gtklp in the X mode. i then apt-get remove gtlkp and reinstall it, but the file /usr/bin/lpr is not present
[11:51] <kethinov> for some reason every time i start X with my driver set to nvidia's proprietary driver, my screen goes half white half black and locks up the machine. ctrl alt backspace wont even drop me back a terminal. forced to reboot.
[11:51] <onkarshinde> [A] ndy80: did you install lame by downloading it from its website? or did you use package from Ubuntu repository?
[11:51] <[A] ndy80> onkarshinde: I installed it from Synaptic
[11:52] <nalioth> brb
[11:52] <environ> i installed the official ati driver, everything seems to work, but when i start glxgears it just makes 2 fps ... what did i do wrong?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> !info gstreamer0.8-lame
[11:53] <akaihola> kethinov: And you can set X to use the correct driver?
[11:53] <onkarshinde> [A] ndy80: I am trying to find answer. But why do you want mp3 anyway?
[11:53] <kethinov> akaihola, yes
[11:53] <thoreauputic> hmm - actually that package *does* exist...
[11:54] <mjr> kethinov, interesting, but that's really something you should take up with nvidia, 'cause the proprietary driver is largely unsupportable by anyone else
[11:54] <GNU-GPL> !gstreamer
[11:54] <ubotu> GNU-GPL: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:54] <GNU-GPL> right...
[11:54] <GNU-GPL> hehehe
[11:54] <GNU-GPL> :P
[11:54] <kethinov> mjr, other ubuntu users are not having my problem
[11:54] <kethinov> mjr, i'm inclined to believe i'm doing something wrong
[11:54] <[A] ndy80> onkarshinde: simple: my portable mp3 reader doesn't read ogg
[11:55] <thoreauputic> google for gstreamer0.8-lame
[11:55] <cosmotroll> ok i've done a ln -s /usr/bin/gtklp /usr/bin/lpr and it is workin'
[11:55] <thoreauputic> there's a deb for it... I have it
[11:55] <[A] ndy80> I found the answer and in the same time a bug in sound juicer :)
[11:55] <thoreauputic> it allows sound-juicer to do mp3
[11:55] <akaihola> kethinov: How do you configure X? Editing xorg.conf?
[11:55] <environ> whats the german ubuntu channel?
[11:56] <[A] ndy80> I had to add a profile... but even if you add a profile in the encoders, since you don't restart the program, the profile is not shown in the combobox
[11:56] <thoreauputic> environ: #ubuntu-de
[11:56] <kethinov> akaihola, i ran "apt-get install nvidia-glx" then "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[11:56] <environ> thx
[11:56] <kethinov> akaihola, both commands were successful
[11:57] <mjr> kethinov, then you didn't do anything wrong.
[11:57] <robodex> wow, I guess it is true... Linux users don't sleep ;)
[11:57] <thoreauputic> [A] ndy80: gst-register-0.8 is your friend :)
[11:57] <[A] ndy80> robodex: 11:57 AM here :)
[11:58] <akaihola> kethinov: Sorry, I'm not familiar with nvidia's driver. I hope you find a guru to help you.
[11:58] <mjr> kethinov, assuming that you have a stock ubuntu kernel with the linux-restricted-modules package (corresponding to kernel version), though I'm not sure if it'd even try to start without that module
[11:58] <robodex> heh. 5:54AM here :(
[11:58] <thoreauputic> robodex: parse error - can't find "sleep"
[11:58] <[A] ndy80> thoreauputic: it's working now :) I only had to restart sound juicer
[11:58] <robodex> although I have one monster toothache so I didn't sleep last night
[11:58] <onkarshinde> 3:32 pm here.  It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[11:58] <BeFalou> I've a weird problem with VLC in Breezy, I've compiled it myself but I can't open any file from the GUI, output shows that the path has strage characters at the beginning, can anybody help me with this?
[11:58] <GNU-GPL> thanks!
[11:58] <mjr> kethinov, something that contains non-free driver modules, and should be installed by default
[11:59] <GNU-GPL> :)
[11:59] <robodex> there's one
[11:59] <robodex> :p
[11:59] <GNU-GPL> !awards
[11:59] <ubotu> somebody said awards was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[11:59] <kethinov> mjr, i'll check to make sure that it is installed
[11:59] <robodex> all I can say is Ubuntu is the only distro I've used for more than three hours
[11:59] <onkarshinde> BeFalou: Any particular reason for compiling yourself? I never had any problem with vlc
[11:59] <GNU-GPL> guess you haven't tried many then
[11:59] <GNU-GPL> ;)
[11:59] <robodex> I'm at the point now where I haven't touched windows in about two weeks
[12:00] <robodex> well I tried xandros a long time ago, and somehow managed to make it into a debian install
[12:00] <BeFalou> onkarshinde: I want wmv9 support
[12:00] <robodex> I had major issues with fedora core 3 (mainly with the updater)
[12:00] <aftertaf> robodex:  must be hot in your room then.. how do you renew the air?
[12:00] <onkarshinde> robodex: All I can say that Ubuntu is the only distro of which I will be using third consecutive release when Breezy comes out
[12:00] <robodex> heh same here
[12:01] <robodex> I still have my warty CDs somewhere :)
[12:01] <GNU-GPL> hehe
[12:01] <robodex> although I'm going to wait until breezy is complete before I dist-upgrade
[12:01] <nalioths_dog> robodex, very good idea
[12:01] <GNU-GPL> boh.. i like adventures
[12:01] <GNU-GPL> :P
[12:01] <GNU-GPL> (so i run breezy colony 4)
[12:01] <onkarshinde> BaFalou: See if this helps you https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats#head-d67b20adc8d30f9d239222912aeb42f2e456b36b It is not exactly related to vlc
[12:01] <kethinov> mjr, apt could not find a package called linux-restricted-modules
[12:02] <robodex> I made the mistake of dist-upgrading about a month before hoary was stable, and I had nothing but problems... And since breezy is a MAJOR gcc upgrade I think I'll pass on updating
[12:02] <franzx> Hello! what options do i have to set for ntfs in /etc/fstab so that to linux copied data is not executable, but writeable? (ntfs is ro)
[12:02] <kethinov> mjr, also, another reason i'm not sure it's an nvidia issue is because i had the driver working correctly in other distros (such as fedora) before switching to ubuntu
[12:02] <nalioths_dog> !tell franzx about ntfs
[12:02] <GNU-GPL> what bot commands are there anyway
[12:03] <onkarshinde> franzx: umask=0111
[12:03] <GNU-GPL> how do i add a new thing?
[12:03] <franzx> i try
[12:03] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: /msg ubotu help
[12:03] <onkarshinde> franzx: Tell me if it works.
[12:03] <GNU-GPL> i did.. but that didn't give me shit
[12:03] <GNU-GPL> ;)
[12:03] <thoreauputic> !ubotu
[12:03] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, or better than SmarterChild
[12:04] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: try "add"
[12:04] <robodex> anyway guys I'd love to stay and chat but I have to be on a 6:55 bus to get to school, cya
[12:04] <GNU-GPL> loll
[12:04] <robodex> (commuting to university is FUN!)
[12:05] <idab> hey
[12:05] <idab> can anyone tell how to get eggdrop from the files on the pc?
[12:05] <GNU-GPL> some things just
[12:07] <franzx> onkarshinde: i think i broke something my directories are now viewed as files my options are "user,auto,umask=0111,nls=utf8"
[12:10] <thoreauputic> franzx: that umsk stops access to directories - try 0011 if the 1 is really what you wanted
[12:10] <DVSoftware> !crawling
[12:10] <ubotu> crawling is, like, totally, short for CRAWLIIIING IN MY SKIN, THESE WOUNDS, THEY WILL NOT HEAL!!!
[12:10] <DVSoftware> Laughing out loud
[12:10] <Ng> genius
[12:10] <onkarshinde> franzx: This shouldn't happen. The user mask affects permissions only
[12:10] <pawdro> hello, can anyone write me repository to install jdk?
[12:10] <Ng> pollute the information bot, what a great plan
[12:11] <thoreauputic> !forget crawling
[12:11] <ubotu> i didn't have anything called 'crawling', thoreauputic
[12:11] <thoreauputic> ok
[12:11] <bimberi> that was me in /query
[12:11] <Madeye> hey, guys is it safe to upgrade to breezy preview now?
[12:11] <Ng> no
[12:11] <franzx> onkarshinde: thanx but i think i reboot and try the script nalioths_dog mentioned to me
[12:11] <Ng> it will be safe when breezy is released
[12:12] <franzx> cu
[12:13] <bimberi> !tell pawdro about java
[12:13] <goo> Madeye: previews are never safe, just great fun
[12:14] <mjr> hmm, I could risk my laptop soonish...
[12:15] <GNU-GPL> !gpl
[12:15] <ubotu> GNU-GPL: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:16] <pawdro> i c
[12:17] <GNU-GPL> i don't get ubotu.. i do as instructed.. but nothing works
[12:18] <kandoora_> how do i uninstall ubuntu so that the drive can be recognized by window again
[12:18] <GNU-GPL> why?
[12:19] <GNU-GPL> windows suck
[12:19] <Madeye> hmm thanks
[12:19] <sn0n> kandoora_, wat you tryin to do exactly ?
[12:19] <Madeye> guys is there difference between upgrading to breezy or fresh installation?
[12:19] <kandoora_> well i got a 20 gig window and 20 gig ubuntu
[12:19] <sn0n> ok.. and what are you trying to do?
[12:19] <nalioths_dog> Madeye, you should upgrade to keep your settings
[12:19] <sn0n> just get rid of ubuntu completely?
[12:20] <kandoora_> i wanna do something that i can't explain
[12:20] <sn0n> then why are you attempting to ask ?
[12:20] <kandoora_> so how do i uninstall ubuntu
[12:20] <GNU-GPL> hehe
[12:20] <sn0n> is there a !ban noob button?
[12:20] <sn0n> cuz its needed
[12:20] <sn0n> ;-)
[12:20] <deFrysk> Madeye, fresh install gives the complete package set of breezy upgrade does not
[12:20] <chavo> sn0n, be careful what you wish for
[12:20] <GNU-GPL> deFrysk, horse shit
[12:20] <GNU-GPL> :P
[12:21] <nalioths_dog> Madeye, decisions, decisions
[12:21] <deFrysk> no not
[12:21] <sn0n> LoL chavo
[12:21] <GNU-GPL> yes
[12:21] <kandoora_> r u beeing funny or r u here to help others
[12:21] <Madeye> heh
[12:21] <deFrysk> GNU-GPL, like serpentine is not added with upgrade
[12:21] <deFrysk> dut u get it with fresh install
[12:21] <sn0n> im here cuz i needed to idle somewhere.. may as well be in the channel of the distro im using
[12:21] <GNU-GPL> deFrysk, ehmm apt-get?
[12:21] <Madeye> well hmm, do you think I'll be missing something cool if i don't do fresh install ?
[12:21] <sn0n> as for you.. maybe try #windows
[12:21] <nalioths_dog> madeye i upgraded one of my undersused ibooks to breezy earlier and have new things in it
[12:21] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: *cough* dist-upgrade
[12:21] <bimberi> kandoora_: you don't need to uninstall ubuntu, you just need to format it from windows
[12:21] <sn0n> or better explain EXACTLY what your trying to do
[12:22] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, try it with dist-upgrade
[12:22] <kandoora_> bimber: but i can't see the drive from windows
[12:22] <nalioths_dog> thoreauputic, clear your throat again?
[12:22] <deFrysk> and see is you get all the packages of breezy
[12:22] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: I'm sorry to say you are misinformed
[12:22] <sn0n> cuz 'uninstall ubuntu' isnt sayin much.. you could use windows disk management to just blast the partition and format ntfs, and ubuntu would be 'uninstalled'
[12:22] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, am i now ?
[12:22] <GNU-GPL> yes you are
[12:22] <GNU-GPL> ;)
[12:23] <sn0n> kandoora_, of course not.. just delete the partiton
[12:23] <sn0n> and create a new one
[12:23] <onkarshinde> kandoora_: which windows?
[12:23] <deFrysk> dont thinks so , but hey ;)
[12:23] <onkarshinde> kandoora_: Win 2K?
[12:23] <GNU-GPL> win xp?
[12:23] <GNU-GPL> win 3.12 wfw
[12:23] <sn0n> onkarshinde, dont really matter what version of windows.. no windows can read ext2, ext3, reiser.. unless you use a prog
[12:24] <kandoora_> thanks guys
[12:24] <Madeye> ok where I can find breezy repos so I can upgrade?
[12:24] <sn0n> there is a program called Explorefs3 or something like that..
[12:24] <kandoora_> thanks for helping out a noob
[12:24] <onkarshinde> sn0n: At least win 2k or winxp have a disk management application from where he can format that partition.
[12:24] <sn0n> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[12:24] <GNU-GPL> Madeye, change all hoary entries into breezy
[12:24] <sn0n> onkarshinde, didnt you see me say that like 5 minutes ago
[12:24] <deFrysk> Madeye, just switch hoary to breezy
[12:24] <chavo> explore2fs can read ext2 partitions
[12:24] <deFrysk> in sources.list
[12:24] <Madeye> okay
[12:25] <sn0n> chavo, ext2 and ext3 support
[12:25] <chavo> there's also some filesystem drivers
[12:25] <sn0n> says the website.. read before you speak
[12:25] <deFrysk> Madeye, make sure to comment anything backport out
[12:25] <chavo> bbut one didn't work and one gives me BSOD
[12:25] <thoreauputic> sn0n: please adjust your attitude a bit
[12:25] <bimberi> seconded
[12:25] <sn0n> thoreauputic, eh.. i'll pass.. ;-)
[12:26] <GNU-GPL> !kick sn0n attitude boy!
[12:26] <ubotu> GNU-GPL: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:26] <sn0n> if i 'adjust anything.. its my attendance of this channel.. ;-)    but thnx for caring
[12:26] <onkarshinde> sn0n: chavo: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm You can use this to mount linux partition as drive
[12:26] <GNU-GPL> hehe
[12:26] <chavo> he'll get what's coming to him
[12:26] <thoreauputic> sn0n: feel free
[12:26] <sn0n> hehehe
[12:26] <brownie17> nalioth: why do you use nalioth and nalioths_dog? or is your dog just a very smart little cookie?
[12:26] <sn0n> lol.. nalioth again.. :p
[12:26] <nalioth> sn0n, this is not the first tie
[12:27] <onkarshinde> kandoora_: Are you still there?
[12:27] <nalioth> time for this
[12:27] <pawdro> can I install deb for debian sun-j2se5.0-jdk-binary <IP_ADDRESS>+debian-1.unofficial.sarge.1 (i386) and would it don't harm system?
[12:27] <Seveas> pawdro, no
[12:27] <Seveas> better grab one from hoary-extras seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:28] <brownie17> chanserv 0796858
[12:28] <GNU-GPL> DVSoftware, i thought you would never leave! *kidding*
[12:28] <GNU-GPL> :P
[12:28] <DVSoftware> i have to go home
[12:29] <DVSoftware> to serbia
[12:29] <DVSoftware> ;)
[12:29] <GNU-GPL> right.. ok ;)
[12:29] <DVSoftware> cya everybody
[12:29] <GNU-GPL> bye bye.. till next time
[12:29] <GNU-GPL> take care
[12:30] <DVSoftware> i will ;)
[12:30] <peterretief> DVSoftware: have a good time.
[12:30] <DVSoftware> peterretief: tnx
[12:30] <peterretief> DVSoftware: np
[12:32] <GNU-GPL> farewell is allways hard
[12:32] <GNU-GPL> :S
[12:32] <thoreauputic> right :)
[12:32] <GNU-GPL> :P
[12:33] <bimberi> ubotu: gpl is http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html
[12:33] <ubotu> bimberi: okay
[12:33] <bimberi> there you go
[12:33] <onkarshinde> And now I will try
[12:33] <onkarshinde> !gpl
[12:33] <ubotu> gpl is probably http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html
[12:33] <tommi^> Hi. I installed msttcorefonts package to get verdana font so that some office files would display correctly and now they do. Now I noticed that, for an example, firefox looks ugly is harder to read than before. Obviously the package changed my fonts to worse. How could I have that verdana font and still have good looking fonts? Thanks
[12:33] <tarvid> any hints on getting webmin to work with apache2
[12:34] <tarvid> looks like the default module is looking for apache (1)
[12:34] <GNU-GPL> !forget gpl
[12:34] <ubotu> i forgot gpl, GNU-GPL
[12:35] <GNU-GPL> ubotu: GPL is the General Public License is the most common license form used when distributing Linux software. For more information on the GPL license, visit: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[12:35] <ubotu> GNU-GPL: okay
[12:35] <onkarshinde> !gpl
[12:35] <ubotu> it has been said that gpl is the General Public License is the most common license form used when distributing Linux software. For more information on the GPL license, visit: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[12:36] <Madeye> so it's just three simple steps, edit source.list comment backports, replace hoary with breezy, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and you are done?
[12:36] <onkarshinde> GNU-GPL: You are great
[12:36] <thoreauputic> ubotu no gpl is <reply> the General Public License is the most common license form used
[12:36] <ubotu> okay, thoreauputic
[12:36] <thoreauputic>                when distributing Linux software. For more information on the GPL license, visit:
[12:36] <thoreauputic>                http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[12:36] <thoreauputic> hmm
[12:36] <thoreauputic> !gpl
[12:36] <ubotu> the General Public License is the most common license form used
[12:36] <thoreauputic> ah rats, sorry
[12:36] <bimberi> gawd, what a mess!
[12:36] <Frafra> ciao a tutti
[12:36] <bimberi> :)
[12:36] <Frafra> opz
[12:36] <onkarshinde> Madeye: That should do.
[12:36] <GNU-GPL> !forget gpl
[12:36] <Frafra> hi all (excuse me)
[12:36] <ubotu> GNU-GPL: i forgot gpl
[12:37] <onkarshinde> Frafra: Hi
[12:37] <Frafra> i'm on breezy for amd64
[12:37] <Frafra> i've a problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AQxL5J34.html
[12:37] <pawdro> Saveas: but there isn't jdk
[12:37] <GNU-GPL> ubotu: GPL is The General Public License (GPL), the most common license form used when distributing Linux software. For more information on the GPL license, visit: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[12:37] <ubotu> GNU-GPL: okay
[12:37] <pawdro> on your site
[12:37] <GNU-GPL> !gpl
[12:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, gpl is The General Public License (GPL), the most common license form used when distributing Linux software. For more information on the GPL license, visit: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[12:37] <idab> root@fast:/home/seatouch # mysql -u root -p
[12:37] <idab> Enter password:
[12:37] <idab> ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[12:37] <idab> can anyone tell me how to fix this
[12:37] <idab> ?
[12:38] <Seveas> idab, did you just install mysql?
[12:38] <tarvid> idab, try without a password
[12:38] <Seveas> if so: the default account on there is root without password
[12:38] <Red_Bullet> please tell me program for icons for xfce
[12:38] <idab> oiks
[12:38] <idab> Seveas, how to change the pass?
[12:38] <gorilla> idab, google for it... basically you reload mysqld without reading the grant table. you can then login onto mysql with password.
[12:38] <idab> for mysql?
[12:39] <idab> now i can login
[12:39] <brownie17> why isn't rythmbox in synaptic?
[12:39] <gorilla> idab, update user set password("new password") where user ="root"
[12:39] <Frafra> http://rafb.net/paste/results/AQxL5J34.html -- I need a library?
[12:40] <onkarshinde> brownie17: What do you mean? Are you on breesy preview?
[12:40] <idab> hmm..
[12:40] <idab> ok
[12:40] <Seveas> gorilla, bad idea
[12:40] <Seveas> won't work
[12:40] <idab> thats the terminal command right
[12:40] <Seveas> and will make it impossible to login
[12:40] <brownie17> onkarshinde, noi am not, is it spelt "rhythmbox"?
[12:40] <gorilla> Seveas, which bit??
[12:40] <cvt> which files do i download?  http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[12:40] <idab> Seveas, tell please
[12:40] <Seveas> not crypt() ing the password bit
[12:40] <onkarshinde> brownie17: Right. You misspelled it. Correct is rhythmbox
[12:40] <gorilla> Seveas, you don't crypt is you password() it :-)
[12:40] <onkarshinde> cvt: Why do you need mplayer?
[12:41] <idab> Seveas, so hw?
[12:41] <brownie17> onkarshinde, argh, missedspelt in X-Chat but not in synaptic
[12:41] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: sorry to stuff that up :(
[12:41] <cvt> onkarshinde, to play videos
[12:41] <rcdarkangel> hi all
[12:41] <cvt> i can't even play a dvd right now
[12:41] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: the factoid looks fine now, thanks
[12:41] <Seveas> gorilla, ah missed the () but now it is a syntax error ;)
[12:41] <Madeye> you know what i cannot understand, only 118MB need to upgrade?>
[12:41] <brownie17> onkarshinde, ohhh. i did misspell it
[12:41] <idab> Seveas, please tell with the correct syntext
[12:41] <brownie17> onkarshinde, now i feel like a fool
[12:41] <cvt> i  don't understand which files to download because it's too confusing.
[12:41] <onkarshinde> cvt: Install totem-xine instead. It will replace totem-gstreamer and works pretty well.
[12:41] <rcdarkangel> can i get a hand?
[12:42] <Seveas> idab, I don't know by heart, read the mysql manual...
[12:42] <gorilla> Sevas, update user set password=password("new password") where user ="root"
[12:42] <idab> ok
[12:42] <onkarshinde> cvt: Use Synaptic for installing totem-xine
[12:42] <gorilla> Seveas, you then need to flush the tables.
[12:42] <Seveas> gorilla, doesnt set password password('foo'); also work?
[12:42] <rcdarkangel> I need someone help?
[12:42] <GNU-GPL> thoreauputic, no prob ;-)
[12:43] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: OK :)
[12:43] <gorilla> Seveas, I'm not sure... depends on mysql version.
[12:43] <gorilla> Seveas, perhaps??
[12:43] <finn> rcdarkangel, just ask your question, people will probably help
[12:43] <rcdarkangel> sorry
[12:43] <onkarshinde> cvt: http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=9&url=https%3A//wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats&ei=K2chQ_i7LZ22YJjq1L8E
[12:43] <rcdarkangel> did not want to bother anyone too much
[12:44] <onkarshinde> rcdarkangel: This is the place to bother others. Otherwise the community will collapse
[12:44] <cvt> onkarshinde, i have no idea what that link means.  i've been reading it for days.
[12:44] <brownie17> onkarshinde, rhythmbox was working fine, then i installed the plugin that is the only other file in synaptic when you search for it, and now it won't load. i can uninstall the plugin, and it will probably work again, but the amount of just annoying little stuff-ups like this in ubuntu in REALLY giving me the shits
[12:44] <finn> people wouldn't hang out here if they did mind people asking questions
[12:44] <onkarshinde> cvt: You need to edit some files
[12:45] <brownie17> onkarshinde, i really want this plugin to work, got any ideas?
[12:45] <onkarshinde> cvt: Type this command on terminal 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[12:45] <rcdarkangel> i was trying to install gftp-2.0.18. But it asked for all these other things. so i installed them through the package manager but when ever i try to ./configure gtk+-2.8.1. i get errors saying i dont have the latesest files of cairo etc. ANd python wont let me install it.   You always specify it as vfat.
[12:48] <rcdarkangel> ?
[12:48] <noirequus> rcdarkangel: much more freedom here
[12:48] <thoreauputic> !tell rcdarkangel about repos
[12:49] <rcdarkangel> no more microsfot activation yay!
[12:49] <B|ueMat> onkarshinde, thatnks I know there is a lot of issues with NTFS, is FAT moreless godd to go?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> !tell rcdarkangel about synaptic
[12:49] <gorilla> rcdarkangel, What's microsoft activation? ;-)
[12:50] <rcdarkangel> lol
[12:50] <finn> rcdarkangel, http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories that is probably a good place to start learning about repositories, apt-get and getting most of the software installed you'll ever need
[12:50] <onkarshinde> B|ueMat: There are really very less issued with NTFS. But what actually you want to do using NTFS or FAT?
[12:50] <rcdarkangel> i was already reading that guide but thanks for the linkgs
[12:50] <onkarshinde> cvt: Refer this page http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[12:50] <cvt> onkarshinde, can't i just install mplayer to handle all this?
[12:50] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: actually be careful of that guide- it isn't always right
[12:51] <B|ueMat> onkarshinde, I want to be able to write from linux to FAT32 partiton, basically to transfer stuff between both OS, I know and have used NTFS read only..
[12:51] <rcdarkangel> my company has got rid of every other technician including the linux gurus put me in charge of all the servers, adsl and dialup and said dont f**K up. so im glad ppl like you are here
[12:51] <Gorgonzola> rcdarkangel, it is very different to windows but as a new ubuntu user myself i can assure you you'll quickly get up to pace (enough to figure most things out yourself)
[12:51] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: a better place to look is the wiki
[12:51] <thoreauputic> !tell rcdarkangel about docs
[12:51] <noirequus> onkarshinde: please dont advise that, we have a bot here just for that purpose
[12:51] <Gorgonzola> rcdarkangel, hehe, been dumped into something is the best way to learn.... although trying not to f**k up is the hard part :)
[12:51] <finn> i'm glad i just said probably then :)
[12:52] <rcdarkangel> im scared to hell lol
[12:52] <onkarshinde> cvt: The package management in Ubuntu takes care of all dependencies. It will make easy to install almost any package if you follow this.
[12:52] <noirequus> !tell rcdarkangel about sources
[12:52] <gorilla> noirequus, can we programm the bot to kick anyone that mentions ubuntuguide.org?? :-)
[12:52] <rcdarkangel> i must say i like the whole penguin thing
[12:52] <onkarshinde> B|ueMat: In that case FAT32 is really good. No problems with it at all.
[12:52] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: bookmark the URLs ubotu is sending you ;)
[12:52] <rcdarkangel>  already have!
[12:53] <B|ueMat> onkarshinde, Thanks alot
[12:53] <rob^> gorilla, don't worry about it, once breezy is released you wont need ubuntu guide
[12:53] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: :))
[12:53] <noirequus> gorilla: not so abrupt, but'd be nice for it to issue an explanation of it
[12:53] <gorilla> rob^, how does breezy change the situation?
[12:54] <rob^> gorilla, the FAQ Guide will be the default help in Yelp
[12:54] <noirequus> gorilla: the doc team is building a ubuntu howto guide, to be released with breezy
[12:54] <Madeye> you know what i cannot understand, only 118MB need to upgrade?>
[12:54] <gorilla> oh :-) nice one guys...
[12:54] <rob^> :) thanks
[12:55] <rcdarkangel> thank you all. my current problem is solved but i think i might stick around for a while :-)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: welcome to Freedom ;-)
[12:55] <noirequus> rcdarkangel: be careful, you'll end up helpin someone
[12:56] <monteiro> i've my system slow with a P4 2,4 with 256 RAM (my mouse stops is a logitech ps/2 mouse) in winxp the mouse works perfecly :(((
[12:56] <rcdarkangel> lol me. I dont think i will ever know enough lol
[12:56] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: you'll be surprised
[12:57] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: if you lurk you'll soon have a repertoire of answers :)
[12:57] <onkarshinde> rcdarkangel: I used to think same way. Now I can give advice to others on my own.
[12:58] <rcdarkangel> watch cat radius.log
[12:58] <rcdarkangel> shit
[12:58] <rcdarkangel> wrong window
[12:58] <rcdarkangel> bash- lol is not a command
[12:59] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: I do that all the time ;)
[12:59] <thoreauputic> rcdarkangel: hahah
[12:59] <rob^> rcdarkangel, bash is a command, a command that runs the bash terminal
[12:59] <candlelight> gorilla, what's wrong with ubuntuguide when it's listed on the ubuntu doc site?
[01:00] <rob^> %s/command/program/
[01:00] <candlelight> gorilla, anyone suggesting something listed on the official site deserves a kick?
[01:00] <rob^> !ubuntuguide
[01:00] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[01:00] <thoreauputic> candlelight: if you hang around here for a while you'll see that the guide has caused some problems
[01:00] <rob^> !faq
[01:00] <ubotu> rumour has it, faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[01:01] <rob^> hmm that will have to change
[01:03] <Gryvix> hmm a menu froze in my menubar, anyone knows how to unfreeze it?
[01:03] <rob^> ubotu no faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy)
[01:03] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[01:04] <rcdarkangel> answer me this
[01:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:04] <da_bon_bon> anyone tried breezy preview ?
[01:04] <rcdarkangel> who the hell puts a 17 year old in charge for the servers for a country wide isp?
[01:04] <rob^> da_bon_bon, yes
[01:04] <gorilla> thanks rob.
[01:04] <da_bon_bon> rcdarkangel: who is the 17 year old ?
[01:04] <rob^> da_bon_bon, its good
[01:05] <rcdarkangel> me
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> rob^: define "good"
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> pelas
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> *please
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> i am debating whether to try it or no
[01:05] <rob^> da_bon_bon, wait until it is released though if you are not experienced yet
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> or wait for stable
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> rob^: i am pretty experienced
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> which issues, very noticable, does it solve ?
[01:05] <pawdro> how to get make-jpkg?
[01:05] <da_bon_bon> and noticable new features
[01:06] <da_bon_bon> pawdro: apt-get install java-package
[01:06] <rob^> I've not seen any noticable problems with the latest preview
[01:06] <Gryvix> hmm a menu froze in my menubar, anyone knows how to unfreeze it?
[01:06] <da_bon_bon> rob^: ok .. any new features ?
[01:07] <da_bon_bon> Gryvix: wait for a few mins .. else killall gnome-panel
[01:07] <rob^> da_bon_bon, heaps
[01:07] <da_bon_bon> rob^: heaps ? what are they ?
[01:07] <rob^> da_bon_bon, check out Beagle and Best, they rock
[01:07] <cvt> onkarshinde, i don't understand it.
[01:07] <da_bon_bon> rob^: beagle is included ?
[01:07] <rob^> yes
[01:07] <pawdro> is make-jpkg required to make every package?
[01:07] <da_bon_bon> rob^: oh! i thought "heaps" was a feature :(
[01:07] <cvt> whatever happened, i can no longer play mp3'snow
[01:07] <rob^> haha
[01:08] <da_bon_bon> pawdro: if you want a debian style java package, yes..
[01:08] <da_bon_bon> not every package
[01:08] <da_bon_bon> pawdro: i suggest you use the unofficial ubuntu add-ons cdrom
[01:08] <Trebz> Does anyone know of a tool similar to query analyzer (that comes with MSSQL server) for linux?
[01:09] <darksatanic> Trebz: MySQL has the "DESCRIBE" command.
[01:09] <darksatanic> I think PostgreSQL has something similar.
[01:10] <Trebz> thanks
[01:10] <da_bon_bon> rob^: any other ?
[01:10] <rob^> my faq guide in yelp :)
[01:10] <da_bon_bon> rob^: would u suggest a hoary -> breezy update, or a clean install
[01:10] <CaiN_SA> whooooooooohooooooooooo
[01:10] <rob^> OOo2
[01:10] <CaiN_SA> my live cd works
[01:11] <rob^> Ubuntu is made to be easily able to be dist-upgraded
[01:11] <da_bon_bon> rob^: great :) more ?
[01:11] <darksatanic> Trebz: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.4/static/sql-explain.html
[01:11] <da_bon_bon> rob^: so, ok if i dist-upgrade to breezy ?
[01:11] <CaiN_SA> rob^, not ubuntu
[01:11] <rob^> yes
[01:11] <CaiN_SA> rather say : debian based distrobutions
[01:11] <cvt> what did he have me do that stopped my mp3's from playing?
[01:11] <da_bon_bon> right CaiN_SA :)
[01:11] <noirequus> da_bon_bon: in *nix, one usually installs once, and upgrades forevermore
[01:12] <da_bon_bon> noirequus: hmm.. fedora people dont :)
[01:12] <rob^> CaiN_SA, yes, but Ubuntu is focused on that
[01:12] <CaiN_SA> debian also
[01:12] <rob^> more so then debian, although both are ok
[01:12] <CaiN_SA> o da_bon_bon
[01:12] <CaiN_SA> yes hoary to breezy works fine
[01:12] <CaiN_SA> my other pc ran it
[01:12] <da_bon_bon> CaiN_SA: you did a hoary to breezy ?
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> works 100%
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> yes
[01:13] <noirequus> but i'd wait a couple of weeks
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> nope
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> breezy is fine
[01:13] <rob^> we did it to a pc at my last lug meet, all is good but wait until release
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> in my opinion
[01:13] <da_bon_bon> CaiN_SA: you got OOo2 ? beagle ? best ?
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> no
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> i got OO1
[01:13] <darksatanic> CaiN_SA: OO.o doesn't work on AMD64 at the moment.
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> lol
[01:13] <rob^> yep
[01:13] <CaiN_SA> openoffice ?
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> how cant openoffice work on amd64 ?
[01:14] <darksatanic> Library mismatch.
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> lol ok
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> java rubbish :P
[01:14] <darksatanic> It wants libstdc++.so.6, and only .5 is available in ia32-libs
[01:14] <darksatanic> Nothing to do with Java.
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> yeh
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> but i dont like java
[01:14] <CaiN_SA> so ill blme it on that
[01:15] <darksatanic> No, if you do that sort of thing, the list of reasons to hate Java just becomes totally unmanageable.
[01:15] <da_bon_bon> lol, darksatanic
[01:15] <da_bon_bon> CaiN_SA: you didnt get ooo2 ?
[01:15] <da_bon_bon> why the hell ?
[01:16] <CaiN_SA> oo2 is bete
[01:16] <CaiN_SA> *beta
[01:16] <CaiN_SA> its not installed by default
[01:16] <thoreauputic> cvt: what's the trouble?
[01:16] <da_bon_bon> CaiN_SA: on breezy it is NOT ?
[01:16] <da_bon_bon> rob^: ??
[01:16] <CaiN_SA> no
[01:16] <CaiN_SA> beta stuff
[01:16] <CaiN_SA> isnt on by default
[01:16] <rob^> da_bon_bon, sorry?
[01:16] <CaiN_SA> apt-get install openoffice.org2
[01:16] <CaiN_SA> then you got it
[01:17] <darksatanic> I'm just trying that. :)
[01:17] <da_bon_bon> rob^: CaiN_SA is telling hoary to breezy wont give ooo2 by default
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> yes
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> duh
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> listen
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> you cant replace
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> a stable product
[01:17] <rob^> da_bon_bon, its not hard to install anyway
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> with a  beta one
[01:17] <rob^> just use synaptic
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> ya rob^
[01:17] <da_bon_bon> rob^: but, a breezy preview cd has ooo2 ..
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> its easy
[01:17] <da_bon_bon> ?
[01:17] <rob^> yep
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> lol
[01:17] <CaiN_SA> ya
[01:18] <CaiN_SA> but
[01:18] <da_bon_bon> CaiN_SA: gah! i am talking about a default install.
[01:18] <CaiN_SA> hoary update wont do it auto
[01:18] <gorilla> CaiN_SA, Agreed... rolled out beta software in releases is broken...
[01:18] <rob^> I have both installed..
[01:18] <CaiN_SA> omg da_bon_bon
[01:18] <CaiN_SA> read what you said :
[01:18] <da_bon_bon> rob^: so.. i think some other hoary things to might not be updated.. or that is not the case ?
[01:18] <CaiN_SA> hoary to breezy update
[01:18] <cvt> will someone walk me through how to play videos please?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> CaiN_SA: a little more punctuation and a little less "enter", please
[01:19] <da_bon_bon> CaiN_SA: i mean, the upgrade wont give it, but the cd has it .. i want to clarify that ..
[01:19] <rob^> da_bon_bon, everything should be updated that needs it
[01:19] <da_bon_bon> cvt: ubuntuguide.org
[01:19] <rob^> !ubuntuguide
[01:19] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[01:19] <CaiN_SA> yes da_bon_bon
[01:19] <cvt> i need something more specific.
[01:20] <GNU-GPL> well well.. no advise for ubuntuguide eh? it's the best guide aviable now (hoary)
[01:20] <da_bon_bon> ok rob^ , didnt know that :(
[01:20] <rob^> GNU-GPL, no, use the wiki
[01:20] <da_bon_bon> cvt: http://y.mrbass.org/ubuntuaddon.zip --- this works too
[01:20] <da_bon_bon> though unofficial
[01:20] <GNU-GPL> why?
[01:20] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: this has been debated at some length :)
[01:20] <rob^> yes
[01:20] <GNU-GPL> ooh.. ok..
[01:20] <GNU-GPL> well i find it a bit strange... that's all
[01:20] <da_bon_bon> rob^: i think ug is good for people who "just want it" without bothering to know the internals :)
[01:20] <rob^> wiki is official, everyone can make sure it is correct
[01:21] <rob^> ubuntuguide is done by one person
[01:21] <rob^> and it breaks systems
[01:21] <GNU-GPL> well wike can be changed by anyone, so it's not so trustworthy
[01:21] <GNU-GPL> :P
[01:21] <gorilla> da_bon_bon, except some of it is wrong!!
[01:21] <GNU-GPL> wike = wiki
[01:21] <rob^> da_bon_bon, you will like the faq guide
[01:21] <da_bon_bon> rob^: can i get a proof copy ?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: yes, well the ubuntuguide has its good and bad points, but soon, hopefully, we won't need it
[01:21] <da_bon_bon> gorilla: whats wrong ?
[01:21] <gorilla> GNU-GPL, yes and you can find out what was chnaged... not a problem.
[01:21] <rob^> The FAQ Guide in Breezy is based off ubuntuguide, but its heaps different
[01:22] <cvt> there is no plugin to handle this movie
[01:22] <GNU-GPL> ok.. i'll wait then
[01:22] <GNU-GPL> ;)
[01:22] <rob^> for previews, see: http://doc.ubuntu.com/
[01:22] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: in general the wiki seems pretty good
[01:22] <da_bon_bon> rob^: i want your final opinion .. should i get a cd, or must i update from hoary ?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> cvt: have you installed w32codecs?
[01:22] <gorilla> da_bon_bon, the wrong things are 1. giving a list of instruction without explaination. 2. expecting people to jump to differtent sections.... ahhh enough reasons, I think.
[01:22] <cvt> i don't think so.
[01:22] <GNU-GPL> da_bon_bon, does it matter?
[01:22] <rob^> da_bon_bon, wait until closer to release then update to breezy once all the bugs are ironed out
[01:23] <thoreauputic> !tell cvt about codecs
[01:23] <goo> rob^: sssh! I am upgrading to breezy as we speak :]
[01:23] <cvt> i already read that like ten times.  i don't understand it.
[01:23] <thoreauputic> cvt: the URLs for hoary-extras are near the bottom of that page
[01:23] <rob^> gorilla, it depends why they are jumping, telling people to see other sections is a technique used in lots of books
[01:23] <goo> !tell goo about codecs
[01:24] <rob^> goo, heh
[01:24] <cvt> k
[01:24] <GNU-GPL> !tell ubotu about linux
[01:24] <rob^> !restrictedformats
[01:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[01:24] <thoreauputic> cvt: are you OK with editing your sources.list?
[01:24] <linner> greetings and salutations
[01:24] <cvt> i don't know
[01:24] <GNU-GPL> howdy
[01:24] <rob^> ok, I got some work to do on the guide..
[01:24] <rob^> bbl
[01:25] <linner> how the heck are ya'll?
[01:25] <gorilla> rob^, good point, but I found myself jumping becuase it wasn't explaining what was happening... or why to do it that way.
[01:25] <GNU-GPL> linner, fine
[01:25] <thoreauputic> cvt: have you read the synaptic howto?
[01:25] <cvt> yes
[01:25] <Somada142> A little help : why is that totem player so bad with divx videos? the fps is terribly low
[01:25] <cvt> the terms are over my head.
[01:25] <rob^> gorilla, in the faq guide it tells you why you are jumping
[01:25] <linner> GNU-GPL, looks like i'm not the only one who can't sleep
[01:25] <rob^> I spent 6 hours last night fixing it before string freeze today
[01:25] <thoreauputic> cvt: OK well use synaptic to add hoary-extras, reload, and install w32codecs
[01:26] <pawdro> what to do if I want to make package from eclipse?
[01:26] <GNU-GPL> linner, it's daylight time here
[01:26] <reiki> sleep? it's almost 7:30am here and I have to go to work in about 20 minutes
[01:26] <reiki> :)
[01:26] <linner> ahhh... it's 4:26a gere
[01:26] <linner> here evenb
[01:26] <linner> can't type ... sorry
[01:26] <linner> :)
[01:26] <GNU-GPL> lol
[01:26] <Trebz> How can I stop linux changing my bios clock an hour backwards?
[01:26] <gorilla> 8:56pm here.
[01:26] <thoreauputic> cvt: do you know anyone near where you live who can help with Ubuntu or Linux?
[01:26] <linner> reiki, you must be on the east coast eh?
[01:26] <da_bon_bon> hi
[01:26] <da_bon_bon> sorry got disconnected
[01:26] <Somada142> someone please a little help with totem player?
[01:27] <da_bon_bon> rob^: didnt catch your answer
[01:27] <reiki> linner, yepper :)
[01:27] <da_bon_bon> Somada142: shoot :)
[01:27] <GNU-GPL> lolz
[01:27] <linner> i'm originally from georgia
[01:27] <linner> :)
[01:27] <rob^> da_bon_bon, to what?
[01:27] <linner> da_bon_bon, hello :)
[01:27] <cvt> thoreauputic, no.  I actually help others install ubuntu and knoppix.
[01:27] <Somada142> i try to play divx and xvid videos but its terribly slow
[01:27] <thoreauputic> linner: Southern Belle, eh ? ;)
[01:27] <cvt> but that's as far as i can go.
[01:27] <da_bon_bon> rob^: i can download the iso of preview, and then use it as an apt source to update, right ?
[01:27] <linner> thoreauputic, you know it!
[01:27] <thoreauputic> linner: :)
[01:28] <rob^> yeah, but why bother?
[01:28] <linner> thoreauputic, *big grin*
[01:28] <rob^> GNU-GPL, not compleatly
[01:28] <da_bon_bon> rob^: that way, i can always use the cd as a "clean install" source
[01:28] <linner> who the heck is Richard Stallman?
[01:28] <rcdarkangel> a great advocate of the free software movement
[01:28] <Renski> linner: a very scary man who I have nightmares about
[01:28] <linner> I think tonight I have an easy question, Thoreauputic... :)
[01:28] <GNU-GPL> rob^, i know.. but he started it
[01:28] <GNU-GPL> ;)
[01:28] <linner> Renski, sorry to hear that... :)
[01:28] <rob^> yes, he had the forsight
[01:29] <linner> I just downloaded and installed an ftp program.  Where on my system would I find it?
[01:29] <rcdarkangel> *
[01:29] <rcdarkangel> lot at thor
[01:29] <linner> thoreauputic, LOL
[01:29] <idab> can anyone tell how to change the pass for sql server/
[01:29] <GNU-GPL> linner, see my dad: http://www.stallman.org/
[01:29] <GNU-GPL> :P
[01:29] <Renski> mysql?
[01:29] <joblack> Hey guys, what's going wrong if my Ubuntu starts hanging for about 10 minutes while loading "Gnome session manager proxy"?
[01:29] <linner> GNU-GPL, are you joking?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> linner: but I admit I'm easy
[01:29] <thoreauputic> ;)
[01:29] <linner> thoreauputic, I'll be sure to spread it around... :)
[01:29] <GNU-GPL> http://www.stallman.org/RMS_13_bendicindo.jpg
[01:29] <idab> Renski, yeah
[01:29] <GNU-GPL> guess who my dad is :P
[01:30] <thoreauputic> linner: hahah
[01:30] <da_bon_bon> anyway
[01:30] <linner> :)
[01:30] <da_bon_bon> updated my apt sources
[01:30] <da_bon_bon> will update to breezy
[01:30] <da_bon_bon> cya all for now
[01:30] <joblack> GNU-GPL: I'd be surprised not even if that guy'd find woman, but if he'd figure out how to use it
[01:30] <Renski> which password do you want to change, a users?
[01:30] <Renski> or root?
[01:30] <GNU-GPL> LOL
[01:30] <joblack> (Being myself a woman, I can assert you the last sentence is not anti-feministic)
[01:30] <thoreauputic> linner: call <insert number> for a Good Time
[01:31] <reiki> call 1-800-thoreauputic For a Good Time
[01:31] <linner> thoreauputic, you're a hoot!
[01:31] <thoreauputic> heh
[01:31] <GNU-GPL> lmao
[01:31] <linner> GNU-GPL, ok so I went... what am i looking for?
[01:32] <GNU-GPL> ?
[01:32] <joblack> Nobody any ideas?
[01:32] <Renski> idab: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMySQL.html
[01:32] <reiki> hmmmm.... dog farts... better take her out before I go to work....
[01:32] <linner> it's quite text oriented... and i'm not into reading anything at this hour... :(  sorry....
[01:32] <thoreauputic> cvt: do you have a local LUG ?  I'd need a bigger yard... and a bigger pooper scooper
[01:33] <rcdarkangel> nothing worse then a dog fart
[01:33] <linner> no kidding... my puppy shoots 'em out left and right...
[01:33] <thoreauputic> OK OK ... take it to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[01:33] <GNU-GPL> well.. not in africa
[01:33] <GNU-GPL> ;)
[01:33] <GNU-GPL> they life praticaly in your backyard
[01:33] <linner> she's has the rankest butt on the planet!
[01:34] <linner> and it's so weird too... cause she's just the cutest little thing
[01:34] <linner> ok... enough about flatulence
[01:34] <linner> :)
[01:34] <gorilla> beware the innocent looking things :-)
[01:34] <thoreauputic> seriously now - #ubuntu-offtopic exists :)
[01:34] <linner> I  know huh Gorilla!
[01:34] <linner> ok... back to seriousness...
[01:35] <linner> I have downloaded and installed an FTP program.  Where on my 'puter would I find it?
[01:35] <GNU-GPL> lol
[01:35] <GNU-GPL> *prrrrt*
[01:35] <linner> I can't find it for the life of me....
[01:35] <GNU-GPL> thoreauputic, well try harder
[01:35] <GNU-GPL> :P
[01:36] <thoreauputic> GNU-GPL: watch your step! /me makes officious noises
[01:36] <thoreauputic> linner: when did you have your imagination transplant ?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> *g*
[01:36] <linner> :)
[01:36] <GNU-GPL> !tell linner about officious
[01:37] <thoreauputic> linner: it is, don't bother looking
[01:37] <linner> I'm just kiddin' around, Thoreau... :)
[01:37] <gorilla> !define officious
[01:37] <ubotu> gorilla: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:37] <GNU-GPL> a little humor enlightens the day
[01:37] <rcdarkangel> ! so as an opinion whats the best install of linux. Please no bias :-)
[01:37] <ubotu> rcdarkangel: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[01:37] <thoreauputic> linner: yeah I know :)
[01:37] <rcdarkangel> so as an opinion whats the best install of linux. Please no bias :-)
[01:37] <nalioths_dog> rcdarkangel, openbsd
[01:37] <linner> Ubuntu.
[01:37] <linner> duh.
[01:37] <linner> :)
[01:38] <gorilla> rcdarkangel, ummm.. BSD..  My sound in breezy is choppy. I had hoary sound working fine, but after upgrading sound is choppy. I did the hack in http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[01:41] <thoreauputic> !start an editor war
[01:41] <ubotu> notepad is better than xemacs
[01:41] <aftertaf> cool... getting myself confused with funky linux features
[01:41] <thoreauputic> hah
[01:41] <gorilla> botu: vi is not emacs
[01:41] <rob^> duffman25, thats your problem, you used ubuntuguide
[01:41] <gorilla> uot: vi is not emacs
[01:41] <linner> aftertaf, you too? :)
[01:41] <aftertaf> linner:  oh yeah!! bigtime
[01:41] <duffman25> ok
[01:41] <GNU-GPL> ubotu: vi is not emacs ;)
[01:41] <ubotu> okay, GNU-GPL
[01:41] <thoreauputic> linner: no no - there really *is* an EMACS psychiatrist, and it's funny
[01:41] <Linux_Galore> hmm
[01:41] <aftertaf> had to reboot both.
[01:41] <duffman25> thanxs
[01:41] <duffman25> ....
[01:41] <linner> thoreauputic, ahh... can you tell I'm a newbie?
[01:42] <linner> :)
[01:42] <linner> aftertaf, what's doing on???
[01:42] <duffman25> My sound in breezy is choppy. I had hoary sound working fine, but after upgrading sound is choppy. I did the hack in http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[01:42] <linner> aftertaf, not that I can help you... but I have a shoulder for ya'! :)
[01:42] <reiki> ok... time to go... see ya'll in a bit from work
[01:42] <gorilla> linner: forget it you can still see blonde roots.
[01:42] <duffman25> can somebody help me (I know rob^wont)
[01:42] <thoreauputic> linner: well, not any more - you are a bit of a regular aren't you <wink>
[01:42] <aftertaf> HZSCN reiki ;)
[01:42] <reiki> getting so I hate to go to work just because I have to use a windows box.... that's weird
[01:42] <aftertaf> er... ops.
[01:42] <idab> hey
[01:42] <linner> gorilla, I don't think so... ask Thoreauputic!  Nice try though. :)
[01:43] <idab> anyone mind telling me how to addusers to mysql?
[01:43] <linner> thoreauputic, why yes I am!! :)
[01:43] <reiki> aftertaf, Dai Ko Myo
[01:43] <onkarshinde> duffman25: Why at all you upgraded? This isn't final breesy release.
[01:43] <Linux_Galore> reiki: really.........wow I dont have windows at work...........some weird Linux virus wiped all the machines
[01:43] <GNU-GPL> ubotu: newbie is a person who knows allmost nothing about a certain topic.
[01:43] <ubotu> okay, GNU-GPL
[01:43] <duffman25> I did the upgrade because I wanted to help with breezy testing
[01:43] <rob^> hmm, like yourself who doesn't know how to spell "almost"
[01:43] <aftertaf> linner:  a shoulder is cool.   a thing to stopmy brain falling out would be even better....
[01:43] <reiki> Linux_Galore, I wish... right now I'm slowly convincing them, but it's at a university and things happen slowly there :)
[01:44] <thoreauputic> *linner is a _blonde_ newbie
[01:44] <Linux_Galore> reiki: well use old machines and start a clug up
[01:44] <rob^> ubotu forget newbie
[01:44] <ubotu> i forgot newbie, rob^
[01:44] <Linux_Galore> club*
[01:44] <linner> aftertaf, I can let you borrow my stompy thing. :)
[01:44] <GNU-GPL> ubotu: newbie is a person who knows almost nothing about a certain topic.
[01:44] <ubotu> GNU-GPL: okay
[01:44] <pawdro> where I can find the latest eclipse deb package
[01:44] <duffman25> I though people in here would try to help...
[01:44] <GNU-GPL> there
[01:44] <linner> thoreauputic, this is a true statement :)
[01:44] <aftertaf> GNU-GPL:  not good advice to muck around with the bot...
[01:44] <thoreauputic> linner: I cannot tell a lie
[01:44] <rob^> GNU-GPL, don't fill the bot full of crap
[01:44] <aftertaf> just from past observations
[01:44] <idab> hello
[01:44] <Linux_Galore> hmm go a cup of coffee
[01:44] <idab> can someone please tell
[01:44] <idab> ?
[01:44] <linner> thoreauputic, you just did my friend ;)
[01:45] <reiki> Linux_Galore, they have a university approved linux distribution, but it isn't used in our offices. My boss is at least listening though
[01:45] <duffman25> and not question why I use the ubuntuguide or why I upgraded to breezy eventhough it's not final
[01:45] <GNU-GPL> !forget newbie
[01:45] <ubotu> i forgot newbie, GNU-GPL
[01:45] <idab> how to addusers to mysql
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> sudo apt-get coffee
[01:45] <thoreauputic> linner: I'll pay that ;)
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> damn didnt work now i have to get up
[01:45] <aftertaf> linner:  thoreauputic just did your friend??? hmmm
[01:45] <linner> aftertaf, what??????????????//
[01:45] <duffman25> anyone knows how to reconfigure sound packages to default settings?
[01:45] <reiki> Linux_Galore,  and that'd be apt-get INSTALL coffee.... works for me :)
[01:45] <linner> who said I had friends?  after all, i AM a geek :)
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> reiki: heh heh
[01:46] <reiki> ok... gotta run
[01:46] <thoreauputic> linner: you're a corrupting influence - i probably should kick you ;)
[01:46] <Somada142> someone please a little help with totem player? i try to play divx and xvid videos but its terribly slow
[01:46] <linner> LOL
[01:46] <delltony> hi, can someone help me with a breezy upgrade issue? after running dist-upgrade and letting everything finish on startup i get checking battery state and it simply will not go any further
[01:46] <duffman25> Somada142: try installing totem-xine package
[01:46] <linner> ok.. gotta clean it up... this is a G rated channel :)
[01:46] <aftertaf> better go offtopic ppl.... others need help
[01:46] <Somada142> thanks
[01:46] <delltony> i have tried ctrl c with no luck, any suggestions would be great
[01:46] <Linux_Galore> Somada142: could be a lack of system resources
[01:46] <Somada142> noo
[01:46] <Linux_Galore> Somada142: or your using the wrong video driver
[01:46] <Somada142> i have 1GB ram 3.02 Ghz
[01:47] <Somada142> i dnl the divx from the ubuntu page
[01:47] <linner> aftertaf is right... sorry everyone :)
[01:47] <duffman25> Somada142: try installing totem-xine package, gstreamer video is a somehow lacking
[01:47] <delltony> next question would be if the install is hosed can i save all the stuff on my system and put the iso cd in and to an upgrade that way?
[01:47] <duffman25> the xine library is far better
[01:47] <GNU-GPL> oops, i made a boo boo
[01:47] <Somada142> ok i'll try that , thanks a lot
[01:48] <Somada142> do i have to uninstall gstreamer?
[01:48] <duffman25> no
[01:48] <duffman25> just install totem-xine
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> duffman25: and to think they swapped totem 100% to gstreamer in 2.12
[01:48] <duffman25> it will uninstall totem-gstreamer package
[01:48] <Somada142> and then i'll be able to play the files wit totme player or sth else?
[01:48] <duffman25> but that's ok
[01:48] <Somada142> so its codecs?
[01:49] <Somada142> just by using totem-xine totem player is going to fucntion properly?
[01:49] <duffman25> the package I'm talking about installs the libxine library
[01:49] <onkarshinde> Somada142: It is a multimedia framework/backend
[01:49] <duffman25> which is another multimedia library
[01:49] <deFrysk> Somada142, probably yes
[01:49] <duffman25> it's a workaround
[01:49] <duffman25> so totem will play files with that library
[01:49] <onkarshinde> Somada142: Sure it will work. I have tried that and played DVD with totem.
[01:50] <Linux_Galore> yeah totem has gotten pretty slick lately
[01:50] <duffman25> if it doesn't work in your box, you can uninstall it, and it will reinstall totem-gstreamer package
[01:50] <idab> hello
[01:50] <Somada142> oh what about the thousands of dependacies? are those installed by default?
[01:50] <idab> please tell me how to add users to mysql
[01:51] <duffman25> it doesnt have thousands of dependencies
[01:51] <Somada142> i don't have a connection back home so i'll have to dnl manually everything
[01:51] <duffman25> but, yes... it will install everything it needs.
[01:51] <Linux_Galore> its funny I dont get any lag with totem-gs and Ive only got a P3 1gb
[01:51] <Somada142> sure it does , a whole bunch of libraries
[01:51] <wickedpuppy> hi guys /dev/sda is sata or usb ?
[01:51] <priest> idab:: Use phpmyadmin.
[01:51] <darksatanic> wickedpuppy: Could be either.
[01:51] <Linux_Galore> 1Ghz
[01:51] <wickedpuppy> oh hmms ...pl
[01:51] <wickedpuppy> ok
[01:51] <idab> priest, tell how to install it pls
[01:52] <wickedpuppy> idab, you still asking here ? try phpmyadmin.net
[01:52] <duffman25> totem-gstreamer works fine with somethings, but here dvd playback & divx-xvid is choppy
[01:52] <wickedpuppy> you should be good enough to help :P
[01:52] <duffman25> that's why I use totem-xine backend
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> naaw everything I have is xvid..........all works fine
[01:52] <darksatanic> wickedpuppy: SATA, USB and SCSI all use the same SCSI disk layer, so they all appear as SCSI drives (/dev/sdX)
[01:53] <duffman25> can someone help me with my sound problem
[01:53] <duffman25> ?
[01:53] <cvt> thx everyone
[01:53] <cvt> dvd works
[01:53] <Linux_Galore> Ive got a Nvidia FX5950 128mbDDR400 card
[01:53] <cvt> <3
[01:53] <onkarshinde> duffman25: gstreamer with GNOME 2.12 is supposed to play DVDs also.
[01:54] <duffman25> it plays dvd's
[01:54] <duffman25> but no menus
[01:54] <duffman25> at least in mybox
[01:54] <duffman25> i'm using breezy
[01:54] <linner> hey guys ... does anyone know where I can get a quick reference for linux and/or ubuntu terminal commands?
[01:54] <duffman25> and it's choppy
[01:54] <onkarshinde> But GNOME's site said it supports menus now.
[01:54] <duffman25> no
[01:55] <duffman25> it was stated in the pre-release tour
[01:55] <wickedpuppy> linner, try google .. search for bash tutorial
[01:55] <duffman25> and something said there haven't got in gnome 2.12
[01:55] <linner> wickedpuppy, thank you!
[01:55] <duffman25> for example, browsing audio cd's
[01:56] <Somada142> is there a list of all the packages installed in ubuntu by default?
[01:56] <rcdarkangel> su root
[01:56] <bimberi> linner, there's also this...
[01:56] <bimberi> !cli
[01:56] <ubotu> well, cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[01:56] <onkarshinde> duffman25: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.12/notes/en/rnusers.html Check video player section.
[01:57] <Hoxzer> sda
[01:57] <linner> bimberi, very very helpful.. thank you!!!
[01:57] <bimberi> linner: yw :)
[01:57] <duffman25> but ubuntu uses gstreamer 0.8 & AFAIK dvd support was included in the 0.9 series
[01:58] <onkarshinde> duffman25: Are you on breezy?
[01:58] <duffman25> yes
[01:59] <onkarshinde> duffman25: Then how come it contains gstreamer 0.8? Doesn't it give dependency prob;em for GNOME 2.12?
[01:59] <silwol> does somebody use a widescreen display with nvidia driver under breezy?
[01:59] <Earthen> how do force hoary to not install from cd
[01:59] <duffman25> I don't know