[00:50] <lazyPower> stormmore: beats, all day long.
[00:51] <lazyPower> stormmore: i haven't deployed this in about 5 months, but https://jujucharms.com/u/lazypower/dockerbeat/
[00:51] <lazyPower> is the beat in particular I used to profile containers.
[00:52] <lazyPower> stormmore: the alternative is the kubernetes dashboard where you get a window into it, but no long term metrics.
[00:58] <stormmore> yeah I am thinking something that they can use outside of the infrastructure to at least give them an idea of what we should start for their limits in Kubernetes
[00:59] <stormmore> The grafana dashboards do a pretty good job of giving me the data once the containers are deployed :)
[11:42] <ybaumy> juju upgrade-juju
[11:42] <ybaumy> ERROR Authorization Error: 'Expired timestamp: given<PHONE_NUMBER> and now<PHONE_NUMBER> has a greater difference than threshold 300'
[11:49] <ybaumy> hmm
[11:49] <ybaumy> ntp times are synced on all nodes as well as on the machine running the juju command
[11:50] <ybaumy> how to install ntp on juju controller?
[11:54] <ybaumy> and why isnt it installed in the first place
[11:56] <ybaumy> i cant login to the controller with the juju login
[11:56] <ybaumy> it says
[11:56] <ybaumy> juju login testmaas-controller
[11:56] <ybaumy> ERROR "testmaas-controller" is not a known public controller
[11:56] <ybaumy> but its the controller name
[20:41] <blahdeblah> ybaumy: You should be able to "juju switch controller; juju deploy cs:ubuntu --to 0; juju deploy cs:ntp; juju add-relation ubuntu ntp"
[22:34] <ybaumy> blahdeblah: thanks but ntp is running everywhere already on the controllers
[22:34] <ybaumy> so there is some other problem
[22:35] <ybaumy> and when trying to deploy
[22:35] <ybaumy> i get his
[22:35] <ybaumy> this
[22:35] <ybaumy> root@openstacksa2:~# juju deploy cs:ntp
[22:35] <ybaumy> Located charm "cs:ntp-17".
[22:35] <ybaumy> Deploying charm "cs:ntp-17".
[22:35] <ybaumy> ERROR cannot add application "ntp": Authorization Error: 'Expired timestamp: given<PHONE_NUMBER> and now<PHONE_NUMBER> has a greater difference than threshold 300'
[22:38] <ybaumy> clocks are 2 seconds apart as far as i can tell


[02:56] <Elazar> Trying to configure WebDAV for Apache 2.2. Getting this error when I try to upload a file: [Sun Jan 06 20:53:16 2008] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] script '/var/www/test.php' not found or unable to stat. Suggestions?
[03:00] <PanzerMKZ_> what was the reason that webdav was taken out of 6.06?
[03:00] <Elazar> No idea.
[03:05] <PanzerMKZ_> tomcat I think it was
[03:05] <PanzerMKZ_> you doing anything with tomcat?
[03:24] <kgoetz> hi all. can someone give me a hand with logwatch? i'm wondering if all my "Unmatched entries" are a bug (the scripts need fixing), or something that requires better configuration
[03:31] <dthacker> kgoetz: it's very quiet in here tonight, you may have more luck with forums or launchpad questions.
[03:32] <kgoetz> so i see. i think it may be a bug in logwatch (just trying to read the scripts atm)
[03:43] <Elazar> PanzerMKZ_: Nope.
[03:43] <kgoetz> was webdav taken out?
[03:44] <kgoetz> !find webdav
[03:44] <ubotu> Found: libslide-webdavclient-java, lighttpd-mod-webdav
[03:44] <kgoetz> or are you thinking of !webmin?
[03:44] <Elazar> mod_dav and mod_dav_fs are included in Apache by default.
[03:46] <kgoetz> Elazar: perhaps try #apache, and specifically query the bot fajita about webdav+ubuntu/debians layout
[03:48] <Elazar> kgoetz: Thanks. Files that Apache doesn't tag as scripts to be passed to an external interpreter seem to work fine.
[03:51] <PanzerMKZ_> I was thinking of webmin
[03:52] <ScottK2> Don't (think of webmin)
[03:52] <PanzerMKZ_> ok
[03:52] <PanzerMKZ_> why?
[03:52] <ScottK2> !webmin | PanzerMKZ_
[03:52] <ubotu> PanzerMKZ_: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system - Consider "ebox" instead
[04:12] <PanzerMKZ_> nice
[04:12] <PanzerMKZ_> the bot is here too
[05:19] <PanzerMKZ_> ugh
[05:19] <PanzerMKZ_> http://www.webmin.com/deb.html
[08:57] <kraut> moin
[13:55] <zul> muhahhahaha
[13:56] <zul> Name                                        ID   Mem VCPUs      State   Time(s)
[13:56] <zul> Domain-0                                     0   811     1     r-----   1616.1
[13:56] <zul> node0                                        6   128     1     -b----      9.4
[13:56] <zul> ramdisk                                      3    64     1     -b----      5.5
[14:05] <avatar_> nice
[14:13] <soren> zul: What's that?
[14:13]  * soren guesses something about Xen, but hasn't a clue.
[14:13] <zul> soren: xen-unstable (3.2-rc4) running on hardy
[14:14] <zul> no timer issues, no console issues just it being happy with a 2.6.24 kernel
[14:19] <avatar_> hmm, xen 3.2, thats nice
[15:11] <zul> is there a meeting this week?
[15:24] <soren> zul: I belive there is.
[17:07] <ScottK> lamont: I see Weitse announced Postfix 2.5 is imminent.  Is there transition work needed doing to get ready for it?
[17:11] <lamont> ScottK: I'm not aware of any, but I'm also not totally on top of it... current snapshots are packaged in debian/experimental, I'd be _VERY_ interested in fixes to it... :)
[17:12] <ScottK> You are planning on putting it into Ubuntu for Hardy, right?
[17:16] <genii> Hello. Has anyone tried to install on one of these? Mainly curious.I have a chance to pick up a batch of them. http://www.gumstix.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=162
[17:36]  * genii sips his coffee
[18:01] <cdavis_> anyone have any idea how to install mailparse for php5 under edgy?
[21:40] <sommer> any one know if you absolutely have to have a CA root store to use TLS with Postfix?
[21:41] <lamont> sommer: I haven't seen how to do otherwise - if it's self signed, you need to have the CA cert there to validate itself...
[21:41]  * lamont -> gone
[21:41] <sommer> lamont: ah thx


[17:36] <fmoreau> hi, sorry for the dumb question, but how can I disable datasource fetching, or in other words how can I set cloud-init to use empty datasource only ? thanks.


[16:54] <Unit193> https://github.com/dokuwiki/dokuwiki/pull/3967 but I can't get to it right now.
[16:54] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Pull 3967 in dokuwiki/dokuwiki "fix XSS in RSS syntax" [Merged]


[08:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy UN Peacekeepers Day!
[17:44] <pgrytdal> Hello. I am trying to install Ubuntu One on Windows XP, and for some reason, the installation goes fine, but this error pops up whenever I attempt to open the program. http://prntscr.com/179pz0
[17:52] <briancurtin> I hear someone is having issues with U1 on XP?
[17:52] <beuno> pgrytdal, ^
[17:53] <dobey> briancurtin: pgrytdal is seeing http://prntscr.com/179pz0
[17:53] <pgrytdal> Yes. I am
[17:55] <pgrytdal> By the way, I have tried reinstalling several times already
[17:56] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: which version are you installing, and are you on a non-English version of XP? i think it'll be helpful to see your log files, let me get the path to them
[17:58] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: can you zip up this folder? C:\Documents and Settings\YOURNAMEHERE\Local Settings\Application Data\xdg\cache
[17:58] <pgrytdal> I am using Windows XP, service Pack 3. The Ubuntu Installer I used was downloaded directly from the Ubuntu One website. "ubuntuone-<IP_ADDRESS>-windows-installer.exe"
[17:59] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: can you try this one? https://one.ubuntu.com/windows/ubuntuone-4.2.0-windows-installer.exe
[18:03] <pgrytdal> That one didn't work either. I got the same error.
[18:04] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: are you on a non-English version of XP? i think i'll need to see the logs at this point
[18:04] <pgrytdal> It also says that the folder location you have me didn't exist. (And, I replaced "YOURNAMEHERE" with my username.) No, I am on the English version.
[18:08] <pgrytdal> What about C:\Program Files\ubuntuone ?
[18:10] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: i guess if you don't have that folder then nothing is even happening. inside of C:\Program Files\ubuntuone there should be an install.log file. Can you share that with me? just put the contents of it in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[18:11] <pgrytdal> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5714156/
[18:17] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: do you have administrator access on this machine, and do you by chance have a firewall running other than the standard Windows one?
[18:20] <pgrytdal> Yes, I have administrator access. No, I don't have any other firewall.
[18:30] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: ok, weird. i remember one other person having this problem you're experiencing, but upgrading versions just seemed to work (this was a few versions ago)
[18:30] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: would it be possible for you to just delete the C:\Program Files\ubuntuone folder manually via Explorer, and then try? i guess its possible that the older installer could have done something bad/weird
[18:39] <pgrytdal> I am able to delete all the files except for "VistaLib32.dll"
[18:42] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: hmm, so i think that means something is actually running. can you open Task Manager and look for any processes with ubuntu in the name? possibly ubuntu-sso-client.exe
[18:43] <briancurtin> if nothing shows up there, i hate to ask it, but you might want to reboot, then try again to delete that VistaLib32.dll file, then try the U1 4.2.0 installer again since it will be cleaned up
[18:47] <pgrytdal> I'm not seeing anything related to Ubuntu One. I'll reboot, then try again.
[18:49] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: once you reboot, delete that ubuntuone folder again - it should let you at that point since nothing will be hanging on to the DLL. then the installation should hopefully work
[18:49] <briancurtin> (oops, kind of just repeated myself - sorry about that)
[18:53] <pgrytdal> It's fine... Haha... I'll come back and let you know how it went...
[19:09] <pgrytdal> It didn't work. The folder deleted just fine, but the installer gave me the same error
[19:12] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: and C:\Documents and Settings\YOURNAMEHERE\Local Settings\Application Data\xdg\cache still doesn't exist?
[19:14] <pgrytdal> Nope.
[19:24] <pgrytdal> http://prntscr.com/17abv5
[19:29] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: ah, it looks like you pasted that into Internet Explorer? can you just try to navigate to that path in Windows Explorer, the file finder?
[19:31] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: or you can do Start>Run and then put "explorer C:\Documents and Settings\XBMC\Local Settings\Application Data\xdg\cache" in that box
[19:31] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: it may end up failing, but that's the way it would work if its going to work
[19:32] <pgrytdal> No. It is in Windows Explorer. http://prntscr.com/17adh8
[19:32] <pgrytdal> I will try doing the Start>Run option.
[19:33] <pgrytdal> Wow... I just realized I didn't replace YOURNAMEHERE this time
[19:33] <pgrytdal> -.-
[19:34] <pgrytdal> No, that didn't work either.
[19:39] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: there's one more thing i think we can try, but if that doesn't work i'm not sure what to tell you. i'll find a link for what to install
[19:40] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: try installing http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=29 - it might ask you to reboot, and that may get the applications running. we actually (legally) bundle some of the contents of what that'll give you, but it's the only thing that would be in the way of this not working at all
[19:45] <pgrytdal> That worked!
[19:46] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: weird, but good to know
[19:47] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: could you check one more thing? In C:\Program Files\ubuntuone\dist, do you have a folder like "Microsoft.VC90.CRT", and if so, is there anything in it? should be three DLLs and a manifest file
[19:48] <pgrytdal> Yes, there are 4 files in it. One of them is a Manifest file.
[19:49] <pgrytdal> And three dll's like you said
[19:49] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: arghhh. those files are there so you shouldn't need to have installed the thing i just told you to install…very weird, not sure why that's not working for you but at least i now know the reason it failed
[19:50] <pgrytdal> I always seem to get the oddest computer issues.
[19:54] <briancurtin> pgrytdal: ha, well i'm glad we figured it out. in the future, if you upgrade U1, it should just work fine because the thing you just installed will still be there. hopefully we'll fix that in the next release - it's kind of rare that this happens and it really only happens on XP, so it might just remain that we tell people to run that second installer from Microsoft
[19:56] <pgrytdal> Thats weird. I usually run Ubuntu. But my computer that had it installed died on me. I have had this EMachines computer for years, sitting on a shelf.and decided I would use it until I replaced my computer.
[19:56] <pgrytdal> It has given me nothing but problems so far, but EMachines strips the BIOS, so I am unable to boot a Ubuntu Live CD.


[03:34] <bzoltan> ogra_:  I just talked to asac about the snap integration to the SDK. We start the work next week. So please feel free to collect eature requests like this and send them to me.
[11:36] <ogra_> bzoltan, dude !! you talked to asac at 5am on a saturday ... about work stuff ???
[11:37] <ogra_> (or are my timestamps crazy)
[16:03] <bzoltan> ogra_:  16 tons, brother, 16 tons :)
[17:41] <foo-script> Hi guys :)
[17:42] <foo-script> I do not know where can I find sources for apps which are delivered in standard Ubuntu phone installation, e.g. phone, clock, ...
[17:43] <foo-script> is anybody here?
[17:52] <foo-script> uh :(
[17:53] <Se7> foo-script, ubuntu store
[18:00] <foo-script> sources in store? :o
[18:01] <Se7> lol sorry now i saw :)
[18:01] <Se7> i don t know sorry :(
[18:01] <foo-script> I think I got it. Found the sources on Launchpad
[18:01] <DanChapman> foo-script: they are all located on launchpad
[18:02] <DanChapman> foo-script: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-apps and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[18:16] <foo-script> DanChapman: Thanks a lot!
[18:17] <DanChapman> foo-script: no problem :-)
[22:32] <doneill> Hi all, is there a reference for deploying QML Components to a Touch device?


[00:31] <mate|52799> Hi guys, for some reason the file explorer that came with ubuntu mate has a font of 6. And I only have really small font with the file explorer, every programs has a normal font. Is there a place I can go to modify this specific font? The file explorer font isn't in Preferences-->Look and Feel-->Appearance-->Fonts
[01:53] <mate|44572> https://thepasteb.in/p/LghNyYWX1V1TZ
[12:39] <karim_> سلام به همه
[15:54] <simonsaysthis> Hi all. Not sure if someone here can help with. I have this annoying backlight bug on Mate 1.14 and 1.16. Keyboard light and brightness come on at max with every reboot
[15:54] <simonsaysthis> all manual settings are not rememberd
[15:54] <simonsaysthis> This is on a Thinkpad
[15:55] <simonsaysthis> Mate is the only DE that does this
[17:19] <nicomachus> is there not a release file for yakkety?
[20:02] <montru_> using vlc the image of the video is always on top, even of the drop-down menus. Is anyone experiencing this issue in mate?
[23:26] <ifb> hi
[23:26] <tacos123454322> Hello


[01:11] <Sarvatt> darn rrva is gone, was going to suggest lowering the 'Synaptics Noise Cancellation' property depending on how "different" it feels
[01:13] <Sarvatt> oh 1.4->edgers, thats not the problem then
[12:21] <Milos_SD> tseliot, I think I know what is the problem with fglrx ... Even if I select dgpu with aticonfig, when I try to start Xserver, it PowerXpress is starting igpu :)
[13:01] <tseliot> Milos_SD: but does X segfault in your case?
[13:04] <Milos_SD> tseliot, yes... same errors as last time
[13:05] <Milos_SD> I can change from integrated to discreat graphics with aticonfig tool, but when I start X, it alweys wants to start integrated (even if I selected discreat)
[13:07] <Milos_SD> and maybe the real problem is this error: (EE) Screen 1 deleted because of no matching config section.
[13:12] <tseliot> Milos_SD: I'm not really sure about that. A screen section shouldn't be required at all
[13:20] <Milos_SD> first it loads intel module, then after that error it unloads it, and then powerXpress is selecting intel graphics, and xserver segfault at the end ...
[16:37] <Sarvatt> bryceh: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/604994 still a problem?
[16:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 604994 in linux (Ubuntu) "Automatically unblank after hibernate (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[18:34] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yep looks like it works
[19:20] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, are there power issues with snb hardware?
[19:21] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: more details....?
[19:21] <bjsnider> it's bugabundo's laptop. dying after less than 3 hours
[19:22] <Sarvatt> dying how?
[19:22] <bjsnider> brand new
[19:22] <Sarvatt> like battery running out?
[19:22] <bjsnider> power suckage
[19:22] <bjsnider> yes
[19:22] <FernandoMiguel> houdy
[19:22] <Sarvatt> what laptop? i'm guessing a hybrid
[19:22] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: hi
[19:22] <FernandoMiguel> dell vostro v131
[19:22] <FernandoMiguel> intel hd3000 ONLYT
[19:22] <Sarvatt> FernandoMiguel: boot with i915.i915_enable_rc6=1, big power savings :)
[19:22] <bjsnider> it's not hybrid, only snb
[19:22] <FernandoMiguel> adding that to kernel and rebooting
[19:23] <bjsnider> i suggested it could be snb, and i guess i might be right
[19:23] <FernandoMiguel> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet i915.i915_enable_rc6=1"
[19:23] <bjsnider> how long _should_ the battery last? shows how much i know about laptops
[19:23] <Sarvatt> pcie_aspm=force too
[19:24] <Sarvatt> depends on the system!
[19:24] <bjsnider> yeah but he's using the 3.2 kernel already
[19:24] <Sarvatt> and how big a battery you got..
[19:24] <FernandoMiguel> I grepped COS for 915 , nothing
[19:24] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: 6 cells.
[19:24] <FernandoMiguel> lasts 9h on windows 7 64bits
[19:24] <bjsnider> i wonder what graphics driver they use then
[19:24] <FernandoMiguel> <3 h in ubuntu
[19:24] <FernandoMiguel> 4h in chromiumos
[19:24] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: boot a vm and check
[19:25] <FernandoMiguel> it's dead quick
[19:25] <FernandoMiguel> they have all kind of images
[19:25] <FernandoMiguel> and it boots in 5 secs
[19:25] <bjsnider> i meant in your case
[19:25] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[19:25] <FernandoMiguel> how can I see?
[19:25] <bjsnider> no idea
[19:25] <bjsnider> without a termimal
[19:25] <bjsnider> how did you find out what kernel you were using?
[19:25] <FernandoMiguel> I have one
[19:26] <bjsnider> well, lsmod
[19:26] <FernandoMiguel> Host F1
[19:28] <Sarvatt> FernandoMiguel: seriously though, try GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pcie_aspm=force i915.i915_enable_rc6=1" and sudo update-grub, should make a big difference on that thing
[19:28] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot%20at%202011-11-28%2019%3A27%3A59.png
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> I always ALWAYS forget update-grub2
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> rebootng
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> brb
[19:30] <Sarvatt> it's probably stuck at 800mhz gpu frequency 100% of the time and enabling rc6 will fix it if its anything like the vostro 3750 i've got here, looks exactly the same except that one uses a ULV celeron cpu
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> ok
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> better
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> MUCH better
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> 4:30
[19:33] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, is there any portable computer that's been made recently that you don't have in front of you?
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> and I'm at 80% bat
[19:33] <Sarvatt> it's probably stuck at 800mhz gpu frequency 100% of the time and enabling rc6 will fix it if its anything like the vostro 3750 i've got here, looks exactly the same except that one uses a ULV celeron cpu
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> but boot was way slower, and login blew on me
[19:34] <Sarvatt> FernandoMiguel: said that after you disappeared, sorry
[19:34] <Sarvatt> can watch -n 1 'sudo grep CAGF /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_cur_delayinfo' to watch the gpu clock speeds change
[19:34] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: I got i7z
[19:34] <Sarvatt> pretty useless for you
[19:34] <FernandoMiguel> and powertop
[19:34] <Sarvatt> that celeron doesnt have turbo boost
[19:34] <Sarvatt> was talking about gpu clock speeds
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel> this is an i5 2nd gen
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel> ahhh gpu
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel> soorrrryyyyy
[19:35] <Sarvatt> oh sorry, i looked up vostro v131 and it was only offered in celeron
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel> nope
[19:36] <FernandoMiguel> CAGF: 650MHz
[19:38] <Sarvatt> x86_energy_perf_policy -v 'powersave'
[19:38] <Sarvatt> thats another little trick if it works
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> In grup?
[19:38] <Sarvatt> nope in a terminal
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> wait... that's a scalator
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> I rather have it ondemand
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> would love to limit it to 2.3GHz and turn off turbo mode
[19:39] <Sarvatt> oh nah this is a sandybridge specific tweak to adjust turbo boost policy
[19:39] <Sarvatt> powersave makes it less likely to jump to higher clock speeds
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> cool
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> apt-get install linux-tools-common
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> instaling
[19:40] <FernandoMiguel> # x86_energy_perf_policy -v 'powersave'
[19:40] <FernandoMiguel> x86_energy_perf_policy_3.2.0-2 not found
[19:40] <FernandoMiguel> You may need to install linux-tools-3.2.0-2
[19:40] <FernandoMiguel> catche 22
[19:40] <Sarvatt> FernandoMiguel: on oneiric using precise kernel?
[19:40] <Sarvatt> just install linux-tools-3.0.0-13
[19:40] <Sarvatt> and sudo x86_energy_perf_policy_3.0.0-13 -v 'powersave'
[19:40] <Sarvatt> instead
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> Linux Bostro 3.2.0-2-generic #4-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 25 10:47:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> todays update
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> # sudo x86_energy_perf_policy -v 'powersave'
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> x86_energy_perf_policy_3.2.0-2 not found
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> You may need to install linux-tools-3.2.0-2
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> I'm on root......
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> # x86_energy_perf_policy_3.0.0-13 -v 'powersave'
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> No command 'x86_energy_perf_policy_3.0.0-13' found, did you mean:
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel>  Command 'x86_energy_perf_policy_3.0.0-11' from package 'linux-tools-3.0.0-11' (main)
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> x86_energy_perf_policy_3.0.0-13: command not found
[19:41] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install linux-tools-3.2.0-2
[19:42] <Sarvatt> whats that say
[19:42] <Sarvatt> anyway this isnt a big deal, thats a very minor tweak
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> The following extra packages will be installed:
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel>   libdw1
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> ~# x86_energy_perf_policy -v 'powersave'
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> CPUID.06H.ECX: 0x9
[19:42] <FernandoMiguel> cpu0  msr0x1b0 0x0000000000000006 -> 0x000000000000000f
[19:43] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: are this permanent or on boot?
[19:43] <Sarvatt> woohoo it worked, you were at performance mode
[19:43] <Sarvatt> per boot
[19:43] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[19:43] <FernandoMiguel> 4h24 now
[19:44] <FernandoMiguel> Battery 0: Discharging, 80%, 03:42:53 remaining
[19:44] <FernandoMiguel> LOL indicators and acpi don't agree
[19:45] <Sarvatt> it takes 3-4 minutes before powertop numbers are reliable when it has to estimate
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> The battery reports a discharge rate of 15.7 W
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel>               Usage     Device name
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel>              37,1%        CPU use
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel>              23,9%        Display backlight
[19:46] <Sarvatt> FernandoMiguel: turn screen brightness down? :P
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> it's at 20%
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> the darn thing always boots at 100%
[19:47] <FernandoMiguel> no way to change it :(
[19:48] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: anymore tweeks?
[19:48] <Sarvatt> FernandoMiguel: ok so they quote 9.5 hours for that thing, but thats only in the configuration with the 17w 1.1ghz celeron CPU
[19:48] <FernandoMiguel> would love to see this go up above 8h
[19:48] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: nope... I can do more than 8h on windows
[19:49] <FernandoMiguel> never left I die, but I'm sure it goes above 9h easily
[19:49] <bjsnider> windows 7 should be relatively power-hungry
[19:49] <FernandoMiguel> with wifi off
[19:49] <Sarvatt> i dont understand how, thats a small battery
[19:49] <Sarvatt> 5 hours really sounds right for that thing
[19:49] <FernandoMiguel> it does :)
[19:49] <FernandoMiguel> I did 8h on it
[19:50] <Sarvatt> whats the last full capacity in cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info ?
[19:50] <FernandoMiguel> ~$ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info | pastebinit
[19:50] <FernandoMiguel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/752887/
[19:51] <FernandoMiguel> last full capacity:      5695 mAh
[19:51] <Sarvatt> i get 8 hours on an e6420 with a 9 cell
[19:51] <bjsnider> are these snb tweaks going to be in precise for everyone?
[19:51] <Sarvatt> yea
[19:52] <bjsnider> maybe the windows snb driver is more efficient at this point than the linux driver
[19:52] <Sarvatt> rc6 will be on but only if VTd isn't enabled at the same time, which is a problem because it will be on lots of new machines soon
[19:52] <FernandoMiguel> what's VTd?
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> The battery reports a discharge rate of 13.7 W
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel>               Usage     Device name
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel>              12,9%        CPU use
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel>             100,0%        Audio codec hwC0D0: Conexant (pulseaudio )
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel>              23,9%        Display backlight
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> no idea why audio spends soooooo much
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel>             Package |             Core    |            CPU 0       CPU 2
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> Turbo Mode  18,5%
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> 800 Mhz    45,2%       40,6%
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> Idle        29,6%
[19:54] <bjsnider> wonder what would happen if you ripped out the audio driver for a session
[19:54] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: can't I turn off turbomode while on bat?
[19:56] <Sarvatt> FernandoMiguel: you pretty much did there
[19:56] <Sarvatt> oh
[19:56] <Sarvatt> doesnt look like it
[19:57] <Sarvatt> FernandoMiguel: i bet you could do something like this
[19:57] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: do what?
[19:57] <FernandoMiguel> and what's VTd?
[19:57] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/752897/
[19:57] <FernandoMiguel>  "Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O" (VT-d). ..
[19:58] <Sarvatt> virtualization crap that causes hangs with some of the intel features
[20:00] <FernandoMiguel> Sarvatt: got any ideas why this laptop isn't entering suspend?
[20:00] <FernandoMiguel> it wakes up after 10 secs
[20:02]  * FernandoMiguel stupid alt f4
[22:19] <ShawnRW> anyone know the way to get the brightness control keys to function with intel backlighting?


[00:05] <huwshimi> hatch: Also, if you have any ideas on how to test the expose option exist in the new "ghost" inspector I'd love some help with that
[00:05] <huwshimi> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/461
[00:05] <huwshimi> (see the last commit)
[00:06] <hatch> looking
[00:06] <hatch> don't like partials I see :)
[00:06] <huwshimi> hatch: Oh, no, it's just it only gets included in one place now
[00:07] <hatch> huwshimi well you can only test that the class is there
[00:07] <hatch> not that it's actually doing what it is supposed to be doing
[00:12] <huwshimi> hatch: My problem is that I don't actually know how to put the inspector into "ghost" mode. Then 'pending' variable doesn't actually do anything: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/461/files#diff-f05fb78d550f50174f5355a05130fa02R742
[00:15] <hatch> huwshimi sorry my computer decided it didn't like my keyboard anylonger
[00:15] <huwshimi> :)
[00:16] <hatch> hmm that should work
[00:17] <hatch> huwshimi oh the mix command is wrong
[00:17] <hatch> huwshimi https://gist.github.com/hatched/b8b2d12bb6d4c6ad90a8
[00:18] <hatch> this goes around line 90 of test_inspector_overview
[00:18] <hatch> to replace what's there
[00:18] <huwshimi> hatch: Ah great, I'll try that in a minute!
[00:31] <huwshimi> Makyo: Are you around?
[00:34] <huwshimi> Makyo: Just wondering if you actually started your card, I have inadvertently fixed it in the branch I'm working on...
[00:35] <huwshimi> hatch: This branch is ready for review now too: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/467
[00:36] <hatch> cool ill take a look
[00:36] <hatch> maybe....if my internet stays up
[00:37] <hatch> oh huwshimi  we now don't rebase until just before landing
[00:37] <hatch> so reviewers can see the changes
[00:37] <hatch> like you can rebase before putting up for a PR
[00:37] <hatch> just don't rebase between PR and landing until just before landing
[00:38] <rick_h__> hatch: https://twitter.com/rwjblue/status/494992271235100672
[00:38] <huwshimi> hatch: Sure, makes sense
[00:39] <hatch> rick_h__ w000000t
[00:39] <rick_h__> hatch: ember? for a blog? seems a bit extreme
[00:39] <rick_h__> hatch: and upgrade time
[00:39] <hatch> the admin panel
[00:39] <huwshimi> hatch: In that pr I just sent you I fixed Matt's card he is in 'Branch start' should I steal that card off him?
[00:40] <jrwren> wordpress is extreme for a blog too :)
[00:40] <hatch> I'm not going to upgrade the charm to include the RC
[00:40] <hatch> but this ight be time to provide the option to pull in the source from elsewhere
[00:40] <hatch> huwshimi yes, and send him an email just to be safe :)
[00:40] <huwshimi> hatch: Sure!
[00:44] <hatch> huwshimi shipppppit
[00:44] <huwshimi> hatch: Cheers mate
[00:46] <hatch> rick_h__ can you put some input on what should be happening here https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1351112 I think that it should add the unplaced unit back into the unplaced unit list.....buuuuuuut
[00:47] <huwshimi> hatch: So with that new mix line should I just pass the 'pending' as I have done?
[00:47] <_mup_> Bug #1351112: Deleting an ecs'd machine with placed service still shows service in change list <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351112>
[00:47] <hatch> huwshimi yep
[00:47] <rick_h__> hatch: looking
[00:49] <rick_h__> hatch: remind me to look tomorrow
[00:49] <rick_h__> hatch: brain is slow and trying to qa kadams54's stuff and no more capacity
[00:49] <hatch> haha - too much thinking?
[00:49] <hatch> :)
[00:51] <jrwren> updated: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/charmstore-charm/pull/1
[00:51] <jrwren> its practically all new.
[00:52] <jrwren> oops, private.
[00:56] <huwshimi> jrwren: Hello, welcome!
[00:59] <hatch> jrwren putting in some OT?
[00:59] <hatch> :)
[01:02] <jrwren> hi huwshimi, thanks for the welcome. good to be here.
[01:02] <jrwren> hatch: yes, I guess so.
[01:02] <jrwren> You know how it is when you just really want to get something done :)
[01:03] <huwshimi> jrwren: Great, things going well so far?
[01:03] <jrwren> good enough.
[01:03] <hatch> yup I do
[01:03] <jrwren> I'm funding bugs and warts and stuff. :)
[01:04] <jrwren> And I'm learning tons. I'm still very new to pretty much everything.
[01:04] <huwshimi> jrwren: Yeah, lots to learn
[01:26] <hatch> jrwren yeah after a couple months you'll be right in the swing of things
[01:31] <hatch> huwshimi be sure to update the board when your stuff lands
[01:31] <huwshimi> hatch: Into daily call?
[01:31] <hatch> yep
[01:31] <huwshimi> np
[01:53] <huwshimi> hatch: When I set pending to true it doesn't render the UI, any obvious ideas?
[02:02] <huwshimi> Actually I think it's rendering the old ghost inspector
[02:21] <hatch> oh u need to se the mv flag
[02:21] <hatch> set
[02:21] <hatch> huwshimi
[02:26] <huwshimi> hatch: Yeah, I have!
[02:26] <huwshimi> (well, in my local branch)
[02:26] <hatch> hmm
[02:27] <hatch> are you setting it before calling the setupInspector?
[02:27] <huwshimi> yep
[02:27] <hatch> well I have noooo idea
[02:27] <hatch> you'll have to step through it I guess
[02:28] <huwshimi> hatch: it's hitting this here: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/views/environment.js#L97
[02:29] <hatch> OHHHH
[02:29] <hatch> ok that's why it's not working
[02:30] <hatch> sec
[02:31] <hatch> huwshimi so under mv we no longer hit that in the real code flow we now use the dispatcher https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/subapps/browser/browser.js#L586
[02:32] <huwshimi> hatch: OK, so any ideas how I get it to call that instead?
[02:33] <hatch> huwshimi well I can't believe we haven't tested any of this stuff being passed a ghost model yet
[02:34] <huwshimi> hatch: Isn't this what you and jcsackett did in London?
[02:34] <hatch> nope this was done pre-london
[02:34] <hatch> I think by jc though
[02:34] <huwshimi> oh ok
[02:39] <huwshimi> hatch: pending must be set at a later point than where I'm doing  it if this works not in the test
[02:39] <hatch> no that area is never called in a real app
[02:39] <hatch> under mv
[02:39] <hatch> it is instantiated in the browser.js file
[02:43] <huwshimi> sure, but setting pending is what is making me hit this
[02:49] <hatch> yeah so that's not going to work
[02:49] <hatch> like we are hitting a branch of code that's going to be going bye bye once mv hits
[02:51] <huwshimi> yeah
[03:00] <huwshimi> hatch: Any brilliant ideas or should I head to lunch?
[03:00] <hatch> huwshimi the only thing I can think of is to instantiate the view manually
[03:00] <hatch> the overview view
[03:01] <huwshimi> hatch: OK, I'll try that
[03:01] <hatch> but maybe dig in the closed PR's for when this stuff landed
[03:01] <hatch> maybe use git blame to find it
[03:01] <hatch> because we must have added tests around this stuff
[03:06] <huwshimi> sure
[06:28] <rogpeppe> urulama: mornin'
[06:35] <urulama> rogpeppe: morning
[06:41] <huwshimi> rogpeppe, urulama: morning
[06:41] <rogpeppe> huwshimi: hiya
[06:48] <urulama> hey there, huwshimi
[06:53] <rogpeppe> urulama: the reason we don't use errgo.Any everywhere is that we want to have control over the error codes that are being generated (and that can be relied on)
[06:53] <rogpeppe> urulama: the place to use errgo.Any is where there's a callback that we want to give control over the error codes
[06:54] <rogpeppe> urulama: a classical example being when we have a general handler that has more specific handlers plug into it
[06:55] <rogpeppe> urulama: in general, my view is that use of errgo.Any is to be avoided when possible. i am aware that this view has been the source of some contention in the past :-)
[06:57] <urulama> rogpeppe: yeah, that errgo.Any is funny :)
[06:58] <urulama> rogpeppe: ok, could we have a comment then for us non-errgo-experts, to know the reasoning ... just as a reminder not really comment on each Any call
[06:59] <rogpeppe> urulama: the motivation comes from experience with large systems where there can be a lot of "action-at-a-distance" where something high up relies on specific error codes generated by something much lower level.
[06:59] <rogpeppe> urulama: yes, that's a good idea. will do.
[07:04] <urulama> rogpeppe: the comment would be exactly what you've written in the reply on the PR
[07:05] <rogpeppe> urulama: the "see at a glance" comment?
[07:06] <urulama> Because we don't want parseURL setting status codes. By omitting errgo.Any, we can see at a glance which are the possible places that could be returning an error with a Cause (the only kind of error that can end up setting an HTTP status code)
[07:10] <rogpeppe> urulama: oops, just realised there was a file missing from my commit. i've just re-pushed (the file is params/error.go)
[07:12] <urulama> rogpeppe: that's a problem with reviews on github ... it's PITA to see the whole code and then one just assumes that "it's there from before" :(
[07:30] <urulama> rogpeppe: regarding our morning call ... it's way too loud today at home, i'll have to move to another location
[07:30] <rogpeppe> urulama: ok. let us know when.
[09:22]  * urulama brunches
[09:25] <rogpeppe> trivial PR: https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/32
[09:25]  * rogpeppe grabs breakfast
[10:09] <rogpeppe> urulama: i've made all those changes requested, i think (and having a clear policy now made it easy to find a couple more places where I omitted an errgo.Any) https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/50
[10:17] <urulama> rogpeppe: looking
[10:17] <rogpeppe> urulama: it's a pity that github doesn't make it easy to see what changes have been made since the last review comments were made
[10:18] <urulama> indeed
[10:22] <urulama> rogpeppe: thanks for the comments, i think that the code is much easier to read now.
[10:22] <rogpeppe> urulama: great, thanks
[10:35] <rogpeppe> frankban, urulama, jrwren: fairly trivial fix to charm.v3: https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/33
[10:37] <rogpeppe> review appreciated, because this is blocking the "user charm.v3" branch from landing
[10:39] <urulama> rogpeppe: looking, see that you got lgtm from core for #32 and #31 as well ... nice
[10:49] <urulama> rogpeppe: package version independent code :D
[11:05]  * frankban lunches
[11:16] <rogpeppe> bac, jrwren, frankban: i need a second review of this, please, before i can land it: https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/50
[11:23] <rick_h__> morning all
[11:23] <urulama> morning, rick_h__
[12:04] <jrwren> morning all
[12:13] <urulama> morning jrwren
[12:18] <urulama> jrwren: just a quick notice to pay attention on the details of error handling in that PR #50 as we'll use that on all services (until replaced by something more new and shiny) ... if you haven't already that is
[12:18]  * rick_h__ heads to the coffee shop for morning work
[12:18] <jrwren> urulama: ok, thanks.
[12:30] <rogpeppe> jrwren: hiysa
[12:30] <rogpeppe> jrwren: hiya, even
[12:30] <rogpeppe> jrwren: any chance you could review that branch too, please, as i can't land it without 2 reviews
[12:30] <rogpeppe> ?
[12:31] <jrwren> I thought I did.
[12:31] <frankban> rogpeppe: review done
[12:31] <rogpeppe> jrwren: ah, perhaps i just didn't refresh the page
[12:32] <rogpeppe> jrwren, frankban: thanks!
[12:32] <rick_h__> jrwren: make sure to leave a final 'comment' to help indicate the review is complete. (didn't look if you did there but just general fyi)
[12:33] <kadams54> guihelp: yesterday I realized that the error message I was seeing was not the same as the one I was supposed to be seeing. I setup a trusty machine and was trying to deploy precise charms.
[12:34] <kadams54> I think there have been discussions about this in the past, but are there any plans to filter charms based on series?
[12:34] <kadams54> Also: should I setup my ec2 as precise for the time being?
[12:35] <rick_h__> kadams54: is this in reference to your current card?
[12:35] <kadams54> Yeah
[12:35] <rick_h__> kadams54: frankban landed some work this week that has machine auto match the right 'series' based on what's placed on them
[12:35] <rick_h__> kadams54: so there might be some other work effecting what you see atm
[12:36] <rick_h__> kadams54: hmm, so what error are you seeing now?
[12:36] <rick_h__> kadams54: This might work now with frankban's changes actually
[12:36] <kadams54> "Series does not match"
[12:36]  * rick_h__ goes to get the bug
[12:36] <kadams54> I checked the core codebase and it throws that when the unit's series does not match the machines
[12:36] <kadams54> So yeah, frankban's work might have helped keep me from shooting my foot off :-)
[12:37] <rick_h__> kadams54: ok, so you're getting that error out of core
[12:37] <rick_h__> ?
[12:37] <kadams54> Yes
[12:37] <kadams54> GUI tries to deploy the unit to the container and gets an error… which it should, according to the card.
[12:37] <kadams54> I just didn't realize initially that the error I was getting back was the wrong one.
[12:38] <kadams54> So even though I'm working in the GUI, the error is coming from core
[12:38] <rick_h__> kadams54: ok, so the bug is that the error is machine doesn't exist, but that's "fixed" and what you're seeing is the wrong series error instead now
[12:39] <rick_h__> kadams54: hangout please? I want to make 100% sure of the steps and such
[12:39] <kadams54> I'm not sure if it's "fixed" or if I was just hitting the "wrong series" error first.
[12:39] <kadams54> If it is fixed, I didn't do anything to fix it :-)
[12:39] <kadams54> Sure
[12:40] <kadams54> Standup hangout?
[12:41] <rick_h__> kadams54: sorry, the friday one
[12:43] <bac> gah, no rain here for six weeks and the tropical storm is due to arrive about the time i have to go to the airport tomorrow.
[12:51] <rogpeppe> bac: ha, no rain here for ages either, and the downpours are just starting in time for a nice weekend out camping
[12:53] <bac> rogpeppe: they aren't so good at periodic maintenance here.  the slightest rain causes the highway to flood since the stormwater system is clogged up.  makes getting to the airport hard.
[12:54] <rogpeppe> bac: well at least we don't have that problem... unless it *really* rains
[12:54] <bac> yes, because you're not 1 GDP in debt
[12:54] <bac> :(
[12:55] <rick_h__> kadams54: pr #171 can land correct?
[12:56] <jrwren> bac: Where does it flood?
[12:57] <bac> jrwren: mainly the roadways.  and parking lots. and low lying areas.  not our house, though.
[12:57] <jrwren> We have some of that here, but only on a few select roads.
[12:57]  * urulama sees the Sun for the first time since London ... happy to switch with people with no rain ;)
[13:11] <rick_h__> jcsackett: kadams54 are either of you up for reviewing/qa'ing frankban's branch please? https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/469
[13:12] <jcsackett> rick_h__: i thought frankban had another commit he wanted to push up to that branch?
[13:12] <jcsackett> i've been holding off waiting for changes; did i misunderstand?
[13:13] <frankban> jcsackett: the branch is ready to be reviewd
[13:13] <jcsackett> dig, well i'm sorry for holding it up. :p
[13:13]  * jcsackett goes to review it.
[13:13] <frankban> jcsackett: np and thanks
[13:18] <bac> hatch: did your ac branch land?
[13:19] <hatch> bac last I checked I needed one more review
[13:19] <bac> oh
[13:19] <bac> ok
[13:19] <rick_h__> hatch: I reviewd it this morning
[13:19] <rick_h__> hatch: one point in there please
[13:19] <hatch> ohh ok
[13:19] <hatch> will look
[13:19] <hatch> sorry there is like 200 emails, haven't gotten through themall yet
[13:19] <hatch> heh
[13:19] <rick_h__> heh, np. Figured it was early for you yet
[13:20] <hatch> rick_h__ replied
[13:21] <hatch> yeah it's still only 7:20
[13:21] <hatch> trying to buy a kite on ebay so had to get up early to check on it haha
[13:21] <hatch> er get online early
[13:21] <rick_h__> hah
[13:22] <rick_h__> hatch: ty
[13:24] <hatch> anyone here use duolingo?
[13:33] <bac> hatch: i did for a while.  plan to start again
[13:33] <rogpeppe> hatch: i thought about it recently, but didn't
[13:33] <bac> hatch: it is really good
[13:33] <rogpeppe> hatch: i know some friends that are really into it
[13:33] <hatch> I just started on Spanish, prepping for a winter getaway (if we can ever get our S$%^ together) :)
[13:34] <jcsackett> so, "e", "ev", "evt" for events? i see all three, and i see many diffs that switch them back and forth. can we just pick one? :p
[13:34] <hatch> after one lesson I've already learnt more than I did before heh
[13:34] <hatch> jcsackett I vote for e (ev is from benji, evt is from frankban)
[13:34] <hatch> lol
[13:34] <frankban> :-)
[13:34] <jcsackett> "evt" however gets "<3" from the boss man. :p
[13:35] <frankban> hatch: evt is because I want t make you happy: I'd write that as "event" ;-)
[13:35] <jcsackett> hatch: my pr is updated btw.
[13:35] <hatch> haha
[13:36] <bac> hatch: duolingo produces some silly things to say:  'the duck drinks milk'
[13:36] <rick_h__> single letter var names are evil no matter what :P
[13:36] <rick_h__> evt reads nice to me and love s/e/evt
[13:36] <bac> how many letters have we saved, if you include this discussion?
[13:36] <rick_h__> but it's personal preference.  You mean #471? That's the one that hasn't been QA'd yet…
[13:41] <urulama> hatch: and not just singular and plural forms, but also special dual form ...
[13:42] <rick_h__> kadams54: ah gotcha
[13:42] <jrwren> surely there is a list of things you DO agree on which could be written.
[13:42] <rick_h__> kadams54: did you find out how you did it locally?
[13:42] <hatch> urulama haha damn....
[13:42] <kadams54> rick_h__: no, I got distracted… looking now.
[13:42] <rick_h__> jrwren: I thin kit's that code is good
[13:42] <rick_h__> jrwren: that's about it
[13:42] <urulama> hatch: so, try learning German (or slavic languages), then you'll consider Spanish simple :D
[13:42] <rick_h__> jrwren: so much history...I'm actually kind of floored that I asked teo join this team. The first 6mo was so rough.
[13:43] <jrwren> rick_h__: lol
[13:43] <hatch> urulama well I know some Ukranian does that count?
[13:43] <jrwren> rick_h__: how long has it been?
[13:43] <rick_h__> jrwren: hmm, 1.5yr on this work?
[13:43] <rick_h__> the GUI stuff
[13:43] <rick_h__> I remember after christmas working on charmworld/charm browsing in the GUI
[13:43] <urulama> hatch: :)
[13:43] <rick_h__> so little over
[13:44] <hatch> jrwren no we don't agree, we just tolerate...
[13:44] <hatch> it's like a supersaturate
[13:44] <jrwren> so sad.
[13:45] <hatch> one of these days it's gona explode into extra comment styles and single char variables everywhere
[13:45]  * jcsackett one day will work through the holidays to re format everything, update the linter, land a style guide, and pronounce it the law of the codebase...
[13:45] <jrwren> sounded like flake8 was agreed upon.
[13:45] <rick_h__> at some point you realize there's natural things that are purely opinion and try to do the best you can
[13:45] <jcsackett> python is easier to agree on.
[13:45] <jcsackett> javascript is a mess to begin with, so... :p
[13:46] <rick_h__> the python 'everyone agrees' is a lie
[13:46] <jrwren> GTK
[13:46] <hatch> lol
[13:46] <rick_h__> there's tools that half the people don't follow, the 'I pep8'd everything for you' pull request is a flame war in the making
[13:46] <hatch> haha
[13:46] <rick_h__> and then there's always the old fallback of "if the stdlib doesn't even follow..."
[13:47] <jcsackett> rick_h__: never said everyone agrees, just that it's easier.
[13:47]  * rick_h__ notes that as the guy that asked jrwren to add a make target to the charm linting the python
[13:47] <rick_h__> but that's for another channel
[13:47] <jrwren> i've always liked the policy that new code landing should follow the style guidelines, but you don't ONLY change style for style sake.
[13:48]  * rick_h__ heads home from coffee shop, afk for a couple of min
[13:49] <frankban> as a side note, the js linter we use sometimes goes crazy, e.g.: wrong indentation, this must be indented at 6, 9, 12.7 or 42 spaces... and I don't remember why we decided not to just indent everything with 2 spaces...
[13:50] <jcsackett> frankban: +1 on your PR, QA OK.
[13:50] <frankban> jcsackett: cool thanks
[13:50] <jcsackett> frankban: i think when you can't find a logic to a style decision in GUI, the answer is there was no logic to it. :p
[13:51] <jcsackett> jujugui: i need one more review for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/470 (hatch, you had a chance to look at the update?)
[13:52] <jcsackett> jujugui: also, because my juju install is borked, kadams54 needs a QA on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/471 (it requires a live env)
[13:53] <kadams54> jcsackett: yeah, rick_h__ volunteered but I need to find more QA info for him.
[13:54] <jcsackett> kadams54: ah, cool.
[13:58] <kadams54> jcsackett: out of curiosity, do you know the value you passed in as source when you were trying to QA that PR?
[14:00] <jcsackett> kadams54: "repo branch-name"
[14:02] <jcsackett> i've since had juju refuse to connect to any of my deployments for my hackerspace--not sure if they're related, but i've got a todo to reset my juju stuff sometime today.
[14:02] <jcsackett> i've never cleaned up various ppas etc since i was on qa--figure there's a chance i'm working with bad stuff.
[14:03] <jcsackett> kadams54: not literally "repo branch-name", of course--whatever copied from github for your repo and branch name. :p
[14:04] <kadams54> jcsackett: Yeah, rick_h__ was having problems too…
[14:04] <jcsackett> huh.
[14:04] <rogpeppe> urulama, frankban, jrwren: here's the stats Store code imported from the old charm store: https://github.com/juju/charmstore/pull/51
[14:04] <jcsackett> ...wonder if the two things are unrelated, and the gui charm is having issues...
[14:04]  * rogpeppe loves it when code is that modular
[14:06] <jrwren> its a good sign.
[14:12] <kadams54> rick_h__, jcsackett: just figured out why I wasn't finding anything in my shell history… I hacked up fakebackend.js to return errors so I could dev locally. (Which was when I asked about updating it to do some of the same error checking as the real thing.)
[14:12] <rick_h__> kadams54: ah, cheater
[14:12] <kadams54> Yup.
[14:13] <kadams54> So… still no closer to understanding why the gui charm isn't getting pointed to the right source.
[14:13] <rick_h__> kadams54: yea, now that it's morning I'll try again and see what's up
[14:14] <rick_h__> sorry for the delays
[14:15] <frankban> jcsackett, rick_h__: do we really want to collapse var declarations when the definition is "simple"?
[14:15] <rick_h__> frankban: it was agreed long ago that if they were simple one liners then it was ok to do
[14:16] <rick_h__> frankban: and anything multi-line, objects, arrays, etc would be split out
[14:16] <frankban> rick_h__: I know it's ok to do that, I am not sure if it's optional or not
[14:16] <rick_h__> frankban: I take it as optional
[14:16] <rick_h__> frankban: the only time I call out is like hatch's when he had more than one var per line
[14:16] <rick_h__> as that hides potential vars
[14:18] <frankban> rick_h__: cool thanks, are you QAing my branch?
[14:18] <rick_h__> frankban: no, left that for jcsackett
[14:19] <frankban> rick_h__: cool, he did it, thanks, will submit soon
[14:19] <rick_h__> frankban: ty much
[14:21] <rick_h__> frankban: bac didn't we update the charm for the KeyError: u'NetworkScope' issue?
[14:22] <frankban> rick_h__: we updated quickstart, not the charm. Is the charm affected?
[14:22] <rick_h__> frankban: oh, maybe I've not updated quickstart /me goes to dbl check source
[14:30] <rick_h__> hatch: buld failed email?
[14:32] <hatch> yup got it re-running
[14:34] <rick_h__> kadams54: hmm, no idea why this is failing. The apt-get install runs and then it gets to Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[14:34] <rick_h__> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[14:34] <rick_h__> and then it hangs and config goes into a bad state
[14:34] <rick_h__> before it ever hits git
[14:57] <Makyo> jujugui call in 3
[14:58] <rick_h__> kadams54: oh crap, all my issues were because I missed the s in your github username.
[14:58] <kadams54> hahahaha
[14:59] <rick_h__> found where it logs out to, not the charm log :( but the all log
[14:59] <rick_h__> anyway, finally getting somewhere with your qa, thanks for your patience
[14:59] <kadams54> "I must've put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. shit, I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."
[15:00] <bac> hatch that's a great look.  doesn't look dorky at all.
[15:01] <rick_h__> jcsackett: ^
[15:01] <hatch> bac? whowhatinthewhatnow?
[15:01] <bac> hatch: :)
[15:12] <bac> PR just cut back from 19 to 15 holidays, starting next year.  (i don't get them)
[15:20] <kadams54> rick_h__: OK, I'm getting the right error now for my card, so venturing forth…
[15:20] <rick_h__> kadams54: woot
[15:20] <rogpeppe> frankban: i'm off in 40 mins, BTW. 't'would be great if you could perhaps have a look at that PR before then, please. ta!
[15:20] <rick_h__> ish
[15:21] <frankban> rogpeppe: sure
[15:21] <rogpeppe> frankban: thanks
[15:21] <bac> rick_h__, rogpeppe, frankban: are we using github for the bug tracker for juju/charmstore ?  i see two issues are there.  jrwren has documented it as a TBD so i'm curious.
[15:21] <rick_h__> curses! out of tape
[15:21] <rick_h__> bac: yes, I think we should.
[15:22] <rick_h__> bac: since we don't have a LP fallback project
[15:22] <rogpeppe> bac: i think so, yes
[15:22] <hatch> hmm internet isn't being too awesome today
[15:22] <rick_h__> bac: but I think we did have issues in LP in core we might need to peek at
[15:22] <rogpeppe> bac: i prefer associating the bugs directly with the repo, tbh
[15:22] <bac> rogpeppe: what do you mean?
[15:23] <rogpeppe> bac: well, since we're hosting on github, it makes sense to track bugs there, i think
[15:23] <bac> rogpeppe: ok, agreed
[15:24] <rogpeppe> rick_h__: those bugs would be more appropriately raised against github.com/juju/charm though, i think
[15:25] <rick_h__> rogpeppe: ok
[15:25] <frankban> rogpeppe: so, is your branch just moving stuff from _old?
[15:25] <rogpeppe> frankban: yes
[15:25] <rogpeppe> frankban: with a few tweaks to fit the old stuff with the new
[15:26] <rogpeppe> frankban: (e.g. session becomes db)
[15:26] <rogpeppe> frankban: i haven't changed any of the actual logic
[15:26] <frankban> rogpeppe: ok
[15:29] <rick_h__> kadams54: I think we fixed the error that you were working around and so QA isn't valid atm
[15:29] <rick_h__> kadams54: but the change is small, I +1 to land
[15:37] <frankban> rogpeppe: LGTM
[15:37] <rogpeppe> frankban: ta!
[15:43] <urulama> rogpeppe: by "i haven't changed any of the actual logic" you mean that it's original form is good enough to be just easily hooked with handlers?
[15:43] <urulama> s/it's/its
[15:43] <rogpeppe> urulama: yes
[15:44] <rogpeppe> urulama: and there's already a handler in the old code that implements the actual stats/counter serving logic
[15:44] <rogpeppe> urulama: which is what i'm porting over currently
[15:44] <frankban> guihelp: I need reviews/QA for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/473 ? Anyone? thanks!
[15:46] <urulama> rogpeppe: and the code covers /stats/counter use-cases? does it do more as well?
[15:47] <rogpeppe> urulama: i don't think so, but /stats/counter is fairly general
[15:47] <hatch> frankban on it
[15:48] <frankban> hatch: thanks
[15:48] <hatch> frankban so machines and containers use the same model?
[15:49] <frankban> hatch: yes
[15:49] <hatch> frankban how did you find this out? trial and error? Or is it documented somewhere?
[15:49] <hatch> the MANAGE_ENVIRON
[15:50] <hatch> oh constants.go ?
[15:50] <frankban> hatch: I don't know if it's documented, I saw that while implementing the mega-watcher for machines
[15:50] <hatch> ohhh ok cool
[15:50] <frankban> hatch: so server side
[15:51] <frankban> hatch: I knew that sooner or later that jobs attr would be useful ;-)
[15:52] <hatch> haha truth!
[15:56] <urulama> jujugui have a great weekend and may the gods of CI be on your side next week
[15:57] <frankban> urulama: :-) and you, have a good trip
[15:58] <kadams54> rick_h__: What changed to fix the error?
[16:00] <kadams54> rick_h__: Maybe I should clarify… which error? As far as I know, there's still an error state that occurs when deploying to a ghost container. You'd mentioned earlier that frankban landed work that would fix deploying the series mismatch between charm and machine…
[16:00] <kadams54> rick_h__: just trying to figure out if I should continue working on the ghost container error.
[16:00] <rick_h__> kadams54: the only error I hit was an install hook failed on mysql
[16:00] <kadams54> And you were deploying mysql to a ghosted container?
[16:01] <rick_h__> kadams54: I did "Drag and drop the unplaced unit on the bare metal container."
[16:02] <rick_h__> which was a ghost, yes
[16:02] <kadams54> Hmm.
[16:02] <rick_h__> I then did the deploy, and the mysql install hook failed, but that was it
[16:02] <kadams54> OK, sounds like my current card may already be fixed then.
[16:03] <rick_h__> kadams54: so to deploy to a live env and switch up the source I just used juju-quickstart so the gui came up fast
[16:03] <rick_h__> kadams54: and then did juju set juju-gui juju-gui-source="https://github.com/kadams54/juju-gui.git services-without-machines"
[16:03] <rick_h__> kadams54: so you can also just set it to 'develop' to check current trunk
[16:03] <kadams54> Yeah, will do, thanks
[16:03] <rick_h__> kadams54: but yes, please verify the bug/card
[16:04] <kadams54> Definitely
[16:04] <kadams54> OK, lunching time
[16:10] <frankban> hatch: re "state service": I just followed directions from luca: see bug 1348673
[16:11] <frankban> mup you won't be missed
[16:11] <frankban> hatch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1348673
[16:11] <hatch> frankban sure np
[16:11] <hatch> thx
[16:12] <frankban> hatch: FWIW I agree with you
[16:12] <hatch> :)
[16:12] <hatch> doing qa, it'll take a bit to spin up an ec2 instance just fyi
[16:13] <hatch> I have issues with a LXC right now unfortunately and haven't had time to fix/investigate
[16:13] <frankban> hatch: thanks
[16:13] <frankban> jcsackett, jrwren: do any of you have time for a second review (no QA) for https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/473 ?
[16:14] <jcsackett> frankban: sure.
[16:14] <jcsackett> hatch: see? not just me with lxc issues. :p
[16:14] <frankban> thanks
[16:15] <hatch> jcsackett I'm running in a vm making more vm's - it's like vm inception here
[16:15] <hatch> lol
[16:15] <jcsackett> hatch: i'm not sure if that's awesome or awful. :)
[16:15] <hatch> I blame us for not dedicating resources to get Ubuntu running perfect on Apple hardware lol
[16:19] <bac> hatch: we should've all pitched in and bought a MBP for pitti, one of very productive ubuntu guys.
[16:19] <hatch> not gona lie that's probably a good idea lol
[16:19] <hatch> I'd put in $100 to get the darn camera working
[16:19] <hatch> lol
[16:22]  * rogpeppe is done for the week
[16:22] <rogpeppe> happy weekends all
[16:27] <jcsackett> and to you, rogpeppe.
[16:28] <hatch> cya rogpeppe  enjoy
[16:35] <hatch> frankban so I've got the GUI up and running now
[16:36] <hatch> the "State service" is listed on the machine, but nothing on the container
[16:36] <hatch> does that make sense? Should it also not be on the bare metal container?
[16:37] <frankban> hatch: it makes sense if it's only on the machine IMHO
[16:37] <hatch> the state service isn't in the root container?
[16:37] <hatch> I know you're just following UX, this is more of a discussion :)
[16:38] <frankban> hatch: jujud runs everywhere. What I think we are trying to communicate is which machine is a state server
[16:38] <hatch> and that's not related in any way to the root container?
[16:39] <frankban> hatch: I think the root container is a UI abstraction, from juju perspective the root container of machine X is machine X
[16:39] <hatch> yeah good call
[16:40] <frankban> hatch: we have machines and containers in the GUI, but in reality the relations is between nodes in a tree
[16:40] <rick_h__> just a +1 to frankban there. The goal is to point out 2 things
[16:40] <rick_h__> 1. "why do I have a machine? I've not deployed anything yet."
[16:40] <rick_h__> 2. "If you put stuff on this machine beware"
[16:41] <rick_h__> and I guess #3 "We're not going to let you remove this machine, it's a state server"
[16:41] <frankban> rick_h__: I think also 3. I want to know if this environment is HA
[16:41] <hatch> yeah that sounds good
[16:41] <hatch> rick_h__ frankban  it has the trash can still
[16:41] <hatch> ^ should that be fixed in this branch?
[16:42] <frankban> hatch: I don't think so, and in an HA env it's still ok to remove a state server if required
[16:42] <rick_h__> hatch: I'd note it for follow up. It's under that big 'MV let's you do things you can't/shouldn't
[16:43] <hatch> ok I'll add a note to the PR
[16:43] <frankban> hatch: thanks
[16:43] <hatch> ok commented, do with it what you will :)
[16:44]  * rick_h__ goes to make up some lunch
[17:14] <hatch> Makyo the bug #1350505 I know there are supposed to be a relation button but I can't get it to actually render
[17:14] <_mup_> Bug #1350505: Relation inspector does not have actions attached properly <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350505>
[17:14] <hatch> is there a trick or have I stumbled uppon another issue?
[17:15] <hatch> ohh right they only pop up when there is a relation error
[19:25] <hatch> deleting a relation using the popup when clicking the relation line doesn't ask you to confirm deleting the relation
[19:25] <hatch> ^ rick_h__  this is a bug?
[19:27] <rick_h__> hatch: because it's uncommitted now no
[19:27] <rick_h__> hatch: because it's not confirming an action
[19:27] <hatch> even on a deployed relation though too
[19:28] <rick_h__> hatch: right, but when you remove it, you'll have to go commit
[19:28] <hatch> I know relations are 'supposed' to be idempotent, but I'm nto sure if we want to encourage the use of that :)
[19:28] <rick_h__> and see it in the summary/etc
[19:28] <hatch> ohhh I get it
[19:28] <rick_h__> hatch: it's a bit like asking you "are you sure you want to possibly do X"
[19:28] <hatch> ok when you delete the relation from the service inspector it pops up a dialogue
[19:28] <hatch> so I should remove that code now?
[19:28] <hatch> er.....under mv that is
[19:28] <rick_h__> hatch: ah, ok. Yea, welcome to clean that out if it's a small thing
[19:28] <rick_h__> hatch: or create a post-mv release card
[19:29] <rick_h__> but yea, the idea is that uncomitted state takes the place of 'are you sure'
[19:29] <hatch> we will still need it if it's non mv unfortunately heh so I'll just wrap it with a mv flag check
[19:30] <rick_h__> hatch: right, or just leave it for now and add a cleanup card
[19:30] <rick_h__> hatch: as I'd like to see about this card landing to clear a release on monday?
[19:31] <hatch> yeah I'll timebox at 30min
[19:32] <rick_h__> k thx
[19:41] <hatch> just writing tests now
[19:41] <hatch> should have it up soonish
[19:46] <hatch> ohh right the other thing in this bug is the unit name being a link https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1350505 is this link supposed to open the unit details pane?
[19:46] <_mup_> Bug #1350505: Relation inspector does not have actions attached properly <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350505>
[19:46] <hatch> or should we remove the link
[19:46] <hatch> I'm leaning towards the former
[19:52] <hatch> rick_h__ ^
[19:53] <hatch> I could easily just remove the <a> for now as well if you wanted this to land sooner
[19:54] <hatch> Makyo thoughts on the unit link in the relations pane?
[19:55] <Makyo> Not sure.  I could see removing it as a temporary thing until we have word from design.
[19:56] <hatch> ok sounds good,
[19:56] <hatch> dd
[19:56] <hatch> fixed
[19:56] <hatch> :P
[20:53] <jrwren> Manchester United v. Real Madrid here tomorrow. So I'm off to the party downtown. Have a great weekend.
[20:57] <hatch> jujugui looking for a review and qa on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/474 urgent bug required for release
[20:57] <hatch> jrwren enjoy, try to not fall over and cry
[20:59] <hatch> (little anti-soccer joke there)
[20:59] <bac> hatch: new pycon web site up at https://us.pycon.org/2015/ -- shouldn't i be able to see that in french?
[21:00] <hatch> it is...can't you see the accent on Montreal
[21:00] <hatch> lol
[21:00] <hatch> but yeah I'm pretty sure because it's in Quebec they have some rule about that
[21:06] <hatch> bac you should review my branch :)
[21:09] <bac> hatch: done, but i can't do QA atm
[21:09] <bac> hatch: gotta dash.  have a good weekend/week.
[21:10] <hatch> np thanks
[21:10] <hatch> you too, safe travels


[07:04] <harmw> JayF: cool :)
[07:05] <harmw> onmetal.. so that means the ironic (sub)project, right?
[07:05] <harmw> i've been wanting to check that out, someday :)
[07:26] <harlowja_at_home> harmw, i believe onmetal is the rackspace product that uses ironic (probably +- some other rackspace glue)
[07:26] <harlowja_at_home> but i might be wrong to ,haha
[07:38] <harmw> haha
[07:38] <harmw> but yes, I think youre right :)
[07:41] <harmw> isn't it a bit late for you btw?
[15:30] <JayF> harmw: yeah, myself and many others on my team are active in Openstack Ironic :)
[15:30] <JayF> and we don't have that much other rackspace glue there... just lots of patches/features that are pending merge upstream
[16:52] <harmw> JayF: cool
[16:52] <harmw> smoser: PING
[16:52] <smoser> harmw, hey.
[16:53] <harmw> ah great
[16:53] <harmw> we need you to merge something :P
[16:53] <harmw> (since, why else would we need you)
[16:53] <smoser> exactly
[16:54] <harmw> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/fixer-up/+merge/233126
[16:54] <harmw> that one
[17:18] <smoser> harmw, done.
[17:18] <smoser> sorry.
[17:18] <smoser> :-(
[17:18] <harmw> haha np
[17:18] <harmw> and thanks
[17:18] <harmw> I'm working on 2 fixes btw, hopefully you can add those as well
[17:24] <harmw> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~harmw/cloud-init/freebsd-fixes/+merge/233247
[17:31] <smoser> harmw, so does that acutally work ?
[17:31] <smoser> writing to that sudoers path ?
[17:31] <harmw> yup
[17:31] <smoser> does it work as in sudo reads it ?
[17:31] <harmw> yes
[17:31] <smoser> this all feels like slackware
[17:32] <harmw> welcome to fbsd :P
[17:32] <smoser> and reminds me of a simpler time in 1998.
[17:32] <harmw> ah yes, 1998... reminds me of highschool :>
[17:33] <RaginBajin> smoser I've been working on the changes you recommened to me in https://code.launchpad.net/~josephbajin/cloud-init/freebsd-configdrive/+merge/231214
[17:34] <RaginBajin> and I got one of this fixed, but I honestly have no idea how to fix the second
[17:35] <smoser> RaginBajin, ok. i can maybe help in 30 minutes or so.
[17:35] <smoser> sorry, in a call now
[17:36] <RaginBajin> Take your time.. I've been super busy with some other stuff lately, which is why I have disappeared for a little
[18:39] <smoser> RaginBajin, maybe you didn't push ?
[18:39] <RaginBajin> yeah let me do that one.
[18:39] <smoser> last commit is shown as 2014-08-18
[18:41] <RaginBajin> ok just pushed the update I made
[18:41] <harlowja> hiren_ yt
[18:41] <RaginBajin> it removes the lazy mode for umount
[18:42] <harlowja> hiren_ the freebsd stuff afaik merged, so if u wanted to try it out maybe harmw can give some basic instructions?
[18:42] <harlowja> oh, smoser also https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/better-errors
[18:42] <harlowja> more log cleanup
[18:46] <smoser> harlowja, danke
[18:46] <harlowja> np
[18:46] <harlowja> that one was noisy and confusing
[18:46] <harlowja> so fixed it, lol
[18:51] <hiren_> harlowja: ah, let me get to it later today or tomorrow
[18:51] <hiren_> thanks
[18:51] <harlowja> np
[18:54] <RaginBajin> smoser, I'm going to hop back on later or tomorrow. I got to run here in a few.  We can talk about my changes then. too much work not enough time
[18:57] <harmw> smoser: think you can merge that last bit as well?
[19:19] <smoser> harmw, will ead in a bit. sorry
[19:26] <harmw> ah great, nice :)
[20:46] <harmw> smoser: merge.. ;)
[20:50] <smoser> harmw, i'm sory. time just goes away.
[20:54] <harmw> hehe yea i know :)
[20:54] <harmw> don't we all have that damn problem
[20:58] <harlowja> not me, ha


[05:48] <ppisati> Hello world! :)
[07:29]  * apw yawns at the world
[07:49] <ppisati> apw: goodmorning sweetheart :)
[07:49] <apw> ppisati, morning my lovely
[07:50] <ppisati> :)
[08:58] <ppisati> weren't dtb supposed to be treated like a stable ABI? weren't old dtb supposed to be supported by newer kernels?!?!?
[09:01] <ppisati> bah, it boots at least...
[09:53] <apw> ppisati, heh ... yeah right
[10:01] <ppisati> apw: besides, the answer is no: http://lwn.net/Articles/560523/
[10:04] <apw> ppisati, so the answer is yes they should, but not they don't cause we are crap at it
[10:04] <ppisati> apw: right, so to be on the safe side, always update kernel and dtb together, else your board could stop booting
[10:05] <apw> as the dts comes with the kernle in the main, that isn't so difficult, but it really really shouldn't
[10:16] <ppisati> apw: well, problem is that on some platform the dtb is buried in the firmware so, everytime you install a new kernel, you *should* reflash the firmware
[10:16] <ppisati> apw: but this time around, i just lost one day on my new bone, because the dtb that came with a 3.8 kernel
[10:16] <apw> ppisati, sign
[10:16] <apw> ppisati, sigh
[10:16] <ppisati> apw: hanged 3.11 and i spent the entire yesterday debugging it
[10:17] <apw> what a royal pain in the ass, and something we need to socialise that there are real risks in upgrading
[10:17] <ppisati> apw: and when i woke this morning i thought "well, what if it's the dtb?!?!?"
[10:17] <apw> ppisati, that is the "shower brain" in action
[10:17] <ppisati> apw: and that's it, now it kind of boot
[10:17] <ppisati> right
[10:18] <ppisati> it took me, one day to learn that the serial cable (a usb with an embedded ftdi chip) doesn't work if connected to a usb cable extension
[10:19] <ppisati> another one to find out that the board provided dtb doesn't work with recent kernel
[10:19] <ppisati> and now let's see...
[10:41] <apw> ppisati, a struggle indeed
[10:43] <ppisati> apw: well, not really, it's just that i loose way too much time on stupid details...
[10:44] <ppisati> apw: anyhow, it's gym time! :)
[10:44] <ppisati> see u later
[11:07] <elmo> Sep 17 22:47:01 juju-prodstack-pes-r2-instance-1 kernel: [17844307.966142] INFO: rcu_sched detected stall on CPU 3 (t=1078390 jiffies)
[11:07] <elmo> Sep 17 22:47:01 juju-prodstack-pes-r2-instance-1 kernel: [17844307.967042] sending NMI to all CPUs:
[11:07] <elmo> ^-- does that interrupt userland
[11:07] <elmo> err
[11:08] <elmo> ^-- does that interrupt system calls at all?  e.g. could it interrupt an fsync()?
[11:54] <apw> elmo, i would not expect that to affect userland at all indeed, i would expect that to make all CPUs to service the NMI and continue where they left off
[11:57] <elmo> apw: cool, thanks
[13:10] <ChickenCutlass> apw, hi there,  I want to build a custom kernel in my PPA.  But everytime I bump the changelog and build a source pakcage, it blows away my changelog entry.
[13:10] <ChickenCutlass> apw, what is the correct way to do this?
[13:11] <apw> ChickenCutlass, you need to change the changelog in debian.<branch>/changelog not debian/changelog
[13:11] <ChickenCutlass> apw, ah
[13:12] <ChickenCutlass> apw, one more question.
[13:12] <ChickenCutlass> apw, I have a new MacBook Air 6,2.  The haswell one
[13:12] <ChickenCutlass> apw, and after applying 2 patches -- acpi and sound work
[13:12] <ChickenCutlass> apw, can we get those into saucy?
[13:13] <ChickenCutlass> what is the policy there
[13:13] <apw> ChickenCutlass, its cirtainly possible, if they fix a bug, get them up on kernel-team@ with why they are needed
[13:14] <ChickenCutlass> apw, ack
[13:17] <cking> and the provenance
[13:18] <ChickenCutlass> cking, right.
[14:19] <ppisati> infinity: ping
[15:04] <infinity> ppisati: To be fair, the dtb/kernel dependencies are something that we're desperately trying to socialize as unnecessary and fix.  So, for the short term, we might want to upgrade in lockstep, but I disagree that we want to pass that knowledge on to end users, as it will become cargo-cult misinformation.
[15:06] <ppisati> infinity: well, the problem is not that we want or not, if the kernel requires a new dtb, you better deliver it or be ready to debug your boot
[15:06] <ppisati> infinity: anyhow, i pinged you about the flash-kernel patch
[15:07] <ppisati> infinity: can you give it a look?
[15:07] <infinity> ppisati: Right, but if the kernel requires a new DTB, it's because the previous one was broken.  Ultimately, they should be (and will be) decoupled.
[15:07] <infinity> ppisati: I'll give the patch a look this morning.
[15:07] <ppisati> infinity: that was the promise, but it doesn't work like that
[15:13] <infinity> ppisati: No, no.  I know it doesn't work like that today, I'm talking about what the future is meant to look like, however.  And socializing "you'll need to pay attention or fix this" to end users sets up a bad expectation.  We should JFDI silently where we can, and in cases where vendors actually SHIP a firmware dtb that breaks with their newer kernels honestly, that's their fault.
[15:15] <ppisati> infinity: agreed
[15:27] <apw> ppisati, infinity, it is not obvious one can even change the thing when it is in the firmware
[15:28] <apw> they should so contain a version number
[16:17] <infinity> ppisati: Your awk magic for kvers comparisons is somewhat suspect.
[16:17] <infinity> ppisati: I'm not so good with arithmetic, but I'm pretty sure that 2638 >> 311 >> 40, for instance.
[16:18] <ppisati> infinity: hold on
[16:18] <ppisati> infinity: i use just the first 2 number
[16:18] <ppisati> infinity: 26 < 311 < 40
[16:19] <infinity> Well, your first half is true. :P
[16:19] <ppisati> infinity: ah right :)
[16:19] <ppisati> infinity: well, when 4.0 is out we'll think about it :)
[16:20] <infinity> Or we can just do it right now.
[16:20] <infinity> I think I have some shell hackery in glibc to get this right.
[16:20] <ppisati> infinity: nice
[16:21] <infinity> Or you could just use dpkg --compare-versions, since having f-k without dpkg seems like an unlikely scenario.
[16:22] <ppisati> infinity: but then i need to know against which pkg i'm installing/overwriting
[16:22] <infinity> Eh?
[16:23] <infinity> No, dpkg --compare-versions just takes version arguments.
[16:24] <infinity> Or, there's this, from my glibc preinst:
[16:24] <infinity> linux_compare_versions () {
[16:24] <infinity>     verA=$(($(echo "$1" | sed 's/^\([0-9]*\.[0-9]*\)\([^.0-9]\|$\)/\1.0\2/; s/\([0-9]*\)\.\([0-9]*\)\.\([0-9]*\).*/\1 \* 10000 + \2 \* 100 + \3/')))
[16:24] <infinity>     verB=$(($(echo "$3" | sed 's/^\([0-9]*\.[0-9]*\)\([^.0-9]\|$\)/\1.0\2/; s/\([0-9]*\)\.\([0-9]*\)\.\([0-9]*\).*/\1 \* 10000 + \2 \* 100 + \3/')))
[16:24] <infinity>     test $verA -$2 $verB
[16:24] <infinity> }
[16:24] <infinity> CAUSE THAT'S SUPER READABLE.
[16:24] <ppisati> OH MY GOD!!!
[16:25] <infinity> I think I'll just use compare-versions.  I do that in initramfs-tools too.  It comes close enough to doing the right thing.
[16:31] <infinity> ppisati: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6128952/
[16:32] <ppisati> infinity: way better, ack
[16:33] <infinity> I have no way to test that this actually works, but it looks sane enough to me.
[16:33] <ppisati> infinity: hold on
[16:33] <infinity> (I mean the overall patch, not my change)
[16:35] <ppisati> infinity: i tested the overll patch going from 2.6.35 to 3.11 (and back)
[16:37] <infinity> ppisati: It will fail if $kernel already points to $tmpdir/kernel before your code triggers.
[16:37] <infinity> ppisati: Which would happen in the machine_id case.
[16:38] <infinity> ppisati: (Since you can't do "cat $foo > $foo")
[16:42] <ppisati> infinity: you mean the "append_dtb "$kernel" "$dtb" "$tmpdir/kernel""
[16:42] <infinity> ppisati: Yeah, cause the previous block could have set $kernel to $tmpdir/kernel
[16:42] <ppisati> infinity: right
[16:42] <infinity>                                 append_dtb "$kernel" "$dtb" "$tmpdir/kernel.dtb"
[16:42] <infinity>                                 mv "$tmpdir/kernel.dtb" "$tmpdir/kernel"
[16:43] <infinity> That seems like it would solve the issue.
[16:43] <infinity> Though maybe append_dtb itself should be more robust, so it doesn't let you do this.
[16:44] <ppisati> infinity: debian has the same problem
[16:44] <ppisati> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/flash-kernel.git;a=blob;f=functions;h=febf0d4af61dd59bb543798663f3f324d3c4fe68;hb=HEAD
[16:44] <ppisati> line 502
[16:44] <infinity> Indeed.
[16:45] <infinity> Well, I'll fix it here for now. :P
[17:00] <Notch-1> hi, i'm having throuble using the full power of a bulldozer cpu: with sensors i see that when fam15h_power-pci-00c4 power1 reaches the crit value (125w) the cpu is slowed down and i get a serius performance drop. it's a kernel configuration thing?
[17:14] <ppisati> infinity: going out for dinner, see you later/tomorrow
[19:11] <apw> Notch-1, those thresholds normally come out of the cpu ... reaching crit thresholds normally are a very serious boundary and we would expect throttling
[19:20] <Notch-1> apw: any way around that?
[19:25] <Notch-1> apw: anyway it's odd: with another cpu with half the cores i have almost the same performance... and with this one the core/performance ratio it's stable until i use 5 core or more (out of 8). in other words i don't tink i'm getting the full power...
[21:19] <apw> Notch-1, or the pysical envelope isn't able to disipate the heat that device can produce efficiently enough
[21:19] <apw> ie 6 cores can outstrip the cooling ...
[21:31] <Notch-1> apw: not a cooling issue, the heatpipe keeps the temperature below 60°...


[08:59] <juzzuj> Hi! How do I enable auto-login on Lubuntu 18.10 with lxqt?
[09:26] <guiverc> juzzuj, sorry I couldn't find it via looking on a 18.10 system, but online I found https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=5532.0  but haven't tried any of that..
[09:28] <guiverc> i don't have a /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf (& see nothing like what I expected in my /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf, so it may be unhelpful anyway
 @guiverc [<guiverc> i don't have a /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf (& see nothing like what I ex …], In 18.10 we use sddm instead of lightdm
[10:38] <juzzuj> guiverc, HMollerCl. When upgrading to 18.10 the existing auto-login username was preserved in sddm.conf, but it doesn't work.
 juzzuj:  I don't know how to do it,  but you should search for enabling autologin in sddm
[13:29] <rebab> Can I play some games in Lubuntu?
 yes
 Why hello
 Heya
 What's your issue? :)
 It's saying I've got a BIOS error bug    NMI watchdog detected hardlock up on CPU 0
 It's a Pheonix BOIS   if that helps at all .
 other wise it won't boot into the 32 boor perhaps I was wrong in thinking it was a 32 bit machnine ? @tsimonq2  downloading the 64 bit right now.
 @thyrth [other wise it won't boot into the 32 bit perhaps I was wrong in thinking it was …], You can install a 32 bits OS in a 64 bits machine
 Yeah I figured lol
 It's booting now
 With 64 bits?
[15:45] <lynorian> @N0um3n0 well I had problems booting the 32 bit installers on uefi machines even in legacy mode
 Yes It's a 2006 era machine it's old
 @lynorian [<lynorian> @N0um3n0 well I had problems booting the 32 bit installers on uefi ma …], Ok, thanks for the info, i have not machines with uefi ...
[15:50] <lynorian> If you are that dedicated to try to boot a 32 bit os on that hardware you may have to sneakernet the drive after the install in legacy mode but I would not recommend that only as a really wierd workaround
 Someone have problems with lubuntu 19.04 setting wallpaper as jpg but no as PNG?
[18:00] <Lubuntu> Hi I would like to raport an error on Lubuntu 10.04.2
[19:48] <OldLubuntuUser> Hi I would like to raport an error on Lubuntu 10.04.2
[19:49] <OldLubuntuUser> Hi I would like to raport an error on Lubuntu 10.04.2
[19:49] <OldLubuntuUser> Hi I would like to raport an error on Lubuntu 10.04.2
[19:49] <OldLubuntuUser> Hi I would like to raport an error on Lubuntu 10.04.2
[19:49] <OldLubuntuUser> Lubuntu 18.04 LTS , 18.04.2 LTS error raport/observation:  For the firs I will say that I am not a fresh user of Lubuntu. I use Lubuntu from 6years. I have downloaded iso image of 18.04 and 18.04.2 LTS version from lubuntu.net official websites  I.I had burned iso image of Lubuntu on dvd on few ways:   a)using newest debian inbuilt tool b)using Lubuntu 17.04 (Xray(app))  In both ways burining dvd was warking and was ok  -----
[19:49] <lynorian> OldLubuntuUser: 10.04.2 is way out of date or do you mean 18.04?
[19:49] <lynorian> lubuntu.me is the offical website
[19:49] <OldLubuntuUser> Yes
[19:49] <OldLubuntuUser> PROBLEM:  In both cases :   When I start Lubuntu booted from DVD is working but when I want to install(by desktop install shortcut) on Pendrive there is error!! I dont why??  The error occurred while copying...i think on 40 or 50%  Error massage: "[Errno 30]  Read only file system: '/target/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/perl5/5.26/Cairo/GObject/Install  Information on error massage suggest that the reason for the error can be damage
[19:50] <OldLubuntuUser> I try 18.04.2 1.1 gigs and 18.04 735mb
[19:51] <OldLubuntuUser> nformation on error massage suggest that the reason for the error can be damage of drive what I want to install or system cooling. In both cases I have nor problem witch this 2x suggested reason  I use 3x different computers to check this problem and always was the same. I was trying 3 different pendrive to install and 3x different (burned) DVD (as :"to install from live system"). I raport this problem using Lubuntu "aport"se
[19:52] <OldLubuntuUser> Earlier I use Lubuntu 17.04, 17.10 to install to pendirve in thje same way and there was not error like this
[19:52] <OldLubuntuUser> Could you give me mail to send massage to somebody ? to send video or pictures?
[19:53] <OldLubuntuUser> I cant install Lubuntu from burned DVD to pendrive
[19:53] <OldLubuntuUser> In earlier version there was no such problems
[19:53] <OldLubuntuUser> I can make a video
[19:54] <OldLubuntuUser> A make raport by "aport" raport error system inbuilt in lubuntu
[19:54] <OldLubuntuUser> I use x201 lenovo
[19:54] <OldLubuntuUser> but also i try in acer netbook and on hp pavilion
[19:54] <OldLubuntuUser> and was the same
[19:55] <melodie> OldLubuntuUser are you sure the usb stick is large enough to contain the content of the burned dvd?
[19:56] <OldLubuntuUser> yes
[19:56] <OldLubuntuUser> I use 3x different sticks
[19:56] <OldLubuntuUser> 32gigs , 16 gigs and 8 gigs to check
[19:56] <OldLubuntuUser> on older distro was no problem
[19:56] <OldLubuntuUser> https://pastebin.com/UmFB5JM9
[19:56] <OldLubuntuUser> here is full raport
[19:56] <OldLubuntuUser> I can make video if you want to
[19:57] <OldLubuntuUser> but this is the basic activity I always do
[19:57] <OldLubuntuUser> Could you give me mail to sb to send him this raport?
[19:58] <OldLubuntuUser> I am trying solve this problem from 7days
[19:58] <OldLubuntuUser> But installing by echer...or Rufus is working
[19:58] <Mead> OldLubuntuUser: what error does it give you?
[19:59] <OldLubuntuUser> Error massage: "[Errno 30]  Read only file system: '/target/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/perl5/5.26/Cairo/GObject/Install   Information on error massage suggest that the reason for the error can be damage of drive what I want to install or system cooling. In both cases I have nor problem witch this 2x suggested reason
[19:59] <OldLubuntuUser> https://pastebin.com/UmFB5JM9
[20:01] <melodie> OldLubuntuUser just use a regular iso, and use the dd command line
[20:01] <melodie> from within the directory where the iso is:
[20:02] <melodie> dd if=theiso.iso of=/dev/sdXY (where /dev/sdXY is what you find using "sudo blkid" when seeking for the name of the device)
[20:02] <OldLubuntuUser> ok
[20:03] <OldLubuntuUser> and solve the problem?
[20:04] <OldLubuntuUser> In addition, I will say that Lubuntu has also DNS leak like 17
[20:04] <OldLubuntuUser> when tor using
[20:05] <melodie> no idea what you are talking about, sorry
[20:05] <OldLubuntuUser> I can make a video of these errors if you want
[20:05] <OldLubuntuUser> Melody but for main error
[20:06] <OldLubuntuUser> your solve will work? why I have this error? on few computers? and on few pendrives?
[20:06] <OldLubuntuUser> and you do not?
[20:07] <OldLubuntuUser> Ok i will record the movie
[20:08] <OldLubuntuUser> to show you..but it will take a  few days to repeat from the beginning
[20:08] <OldLubuntuUser> do you care about the problem or not?
[20:09] <OldLubuntuUser> I want to know because I'm a faithful user of this system
[20:11] <melodie> OldLubuntuUser I don't have time for remote help, you should, imo, find a linux user group nearby and get direct help
[20:12] <OldLubuntuUser> Ok thank you for your help.
[20:12] <OldLubuntuUser> I just want to raport as regular user ..I will mount by Echer or Rufus and will be ok..
[20:14] <OldLubuntuUser> But I only want to say that in earlier Lubuntu(16,17) distro there was not this problem and I can not use echer or Rufus to install Lubuntu on pendrive..because I can use only "disks"
[20:14] <OldLubuntuUser> however, thank you for your help "melodie"
[20:14] <OldLubuntuUser> I think your solution will help.
[20:15] <melodie> you are welcome :)
[20:15] <OldLubuntuUser> Can I ask you? for LXDE?
[20:15] <OldLubuntuUser> Its totally end?
[20:15] <OldLubuntuUser> no one will prescribe on gtk3?
[20:16] <OldLubuntuUser> and what if in a year lxde will be rewritten for gtk3?
[20:16] <melodie> OldLubuntuUser serveur OFTC chan #lxde for all lxde questions
[20:17] <OldLubuntuUser> I love Lubuntu...witch Lxde...for minimalism...and for that I can use it from USB on old netbooks...old Pentiums...and a lot of old computer on work I have
[20:17] <OldLubuntuUser> Ok
[20:18] <OldLubuntuUser> are you developer? or ? admin of this chanel?
[20:18] <melodie> no, just a user as yourself, OldLubuntuUser
[20:18] <melodie> have a good night/ or whatever
[20:18] <OldLubuntuUser> Ok:)
[20:18] <OldLubuntuUser> Thank you very much ..good night
[20:19] <OldLubuntuUser> Best regards from Poland Thx.
[20:24] <OldLubuntuUser> And one more...LXQt is to huge and to much more angry for memory...for me. ..Kubuntu eat less memory that Lubuntu witch lxqt...for me its diversion and canibalism:)
[20:25] <OldLubuntuUser> Lubuntu should be always system for older computer and for minimal system req
[20:26] <OldLubuntuUser> 512mb ram or 700mb ram...should be still the basic of assumptions...or should be 2version minimal..witch small ram require and normal..
[20:27] <OldLubuntuUser> lxqt change game rules for me for worse..
[20:28] <OldLubuntuUser> In this "new"case...kubuntu will be less resourceful than Lubuntu...for me its not normal
[20:28] <OldLubuntuUser> I dont want to change system to kubuntu
[20:28] <OldLubuntuUser> if there will be no alternatives for lxde in new lubuntu I will must change system to xubuntu or kubuntu...but I dont want to
[20:29] <OldLubuntuUser> Lububuntu in lxqte will lose the character of what he has been until now
[20:31] <OldLubuntuUser> lubuntu witch lxte and witch higher memory requaire consumption...for me will be the end of the Lubuntu...philosophic and R.I.P
[20:31] <OldLubuntuUser> Its my opinion as dayly lubuntu user since 7 years
[20:33] <OldLubuntuUser> I also understan others opinion..but..my will not change.If not lubuntu...then...what??? Tiny core? Bohdi? Puppy? Kubuntu, Xubuntu?
 @OldLubuntuUser [<OldLubuntuUser> In this "new"case...kubuntu will be less resourceful than Lubun …], That's strange I've tested lubuntu and kubuntu 18.10 and lubuntu uses less resources
[20:35] <OldLubuntuUser> I am tasting..from 2 weeks Lubuntu 18.10 and it takes more resources than Kubuntu and Xubuntu..On 1gigs Ram notebook Lubuntu 18.10 working but if you open Firefox..its crack
[20:36] <OldLubuntuUser> additionally, Lxqt is quite different than lxde for regular users like me, this is not cool
[20:36] <OldLubuntuUser> I would suggest that lxde be still available as a lighter alternative version
[20:37] <OldLubuntuUser> a lot of existing users will leave for other systems
[20:37] <lynorian> well that is part of why I have been writing so much documentation
[20:38] <OldLubuntuUser> Luntu's philosophy was normal ubuntu in a very light form and it was a hit in this distribution
[20:39] <OldLubuntuUser> new lxqt is a total change in the philosophy and application of lubuntu, I do not like it
[20:40] <OldLubuntuUser> Or maybe should to do it to make lubuntu 18.04 LTS had not ending support like windows 10
[20:41] <OldLubuntuUser> apologize for these divagation but I feel resentful and disappointed that I trace the coolest system in the world
[20:42] <OldLubuntuUser> lynorian thank you for that are you a developer?
[20:43] <OldLubuntuUser> could you send me mail to you?
[20:43] <lynorian> the manual is mostly at manual.lubuntu.me but sadly I have not done enough for LXDE stuff
 From where did you downloaded the Ido?
 Iso
[20:45] <OldLubuntuUser> Ok I fully understan but what if someone else translates lxde to this new gtk...?
[20:45] <OldLubuntuUser> I have download from:
[20:46] <OldLubuntuUser> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso
[20:47] <OldLubuntuUser> and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[20:47] <OldLubuntuUser> I will record move witch this problem I think this will shows it the best
[20:48] <OldLubuntuUser> but it takes me few days
[20:48] <OldLubuntuUser> I love Lubuntu from years
[20:49] <OldLubuntuUser> that's why I'm pouring out my regrets
[20:49] <OldLubuntuUser> I hate windows 10
[20:50] <OldLubuntuUser> also lubuntu has DNS leaks when TOR using..for example for protonmail
[20:50] <OldLubuntuUser> many jurnalist use it for this like me
[20:51] <OldLubuntuUser> sporadically of course
[20:53] <OldLubuntuUser> Ok I have to leave chat..but I will record this problem and paste here to show this problem and that I am doing everything ok.
 With that small ram windows 10 will do nothing on your system
[20:53] <OldLubuntuUser> I hate windows 10:)
[20:54] <OldLubuntuUser> The last good windows was 7:)
 In 18.10 try Falkon instead of firefox
[20:54] <OldLubuntuUser> Windows 10 its not a system...Its user over system control not system control by useR:)
[20:55] <OldLubuntuUser> For few years...Ms will be giving win 10 for free to have over control all users:)
[20:55] <OldLubuntuUser> Linus must win witch Windows:)
[20:56] <OldLubuntuUser> percent of linux usage is increasing
[20:56] <lynorian> well I think the only reason we don't ship falkon by default is qtwebenginge one the dependenceis crashes more on nvidia graphics
 Is very strange what you see in 18.10. What benchmark have shown is lubuntu<kubuntu<xubuntu in terms of ram consumptions
[20:56] <OldLubuntuUser> Or so I am leaving chat..thank all for conversation and best Regards!!!!!!
[20:59] <OldLubuntuUser> I see 18.10 ram high consumpion..according to crackin system..my netbook witch 1gigs ram..just..stops..and..slowing down after..firefox using witch 2 tabs over this but 17.10 or 18.04 lubuntu is working well witch 20tabs:)
[21:00] <OldLubuntuUser> I think minmal good working lubuntu should be witch 1gigs ram..it should works properly..it should be..because Kubuntu is working good om my netbook witch 1 gigs ram...xubuntu also
[21:01] <OldLubuntuUser> Lubuntu is cult system best of the best for me..should only have kaffeine for dvbt tv in default programs..because kaffeine has auto chanels scanning
[21:02] <OldLubuntuUser> VLC also can recive dvbt tv but is not so intuite like kaffeine
[21:02] <OldLubuntuUser> I always install kaffeine https://www.kde.org/applications/multimedia/kaffeine/
[21:02] <OldLubuntuUser> its best program for dvbt tv in europe
[21:03] <OldLubuntuUser> on windows there is no such a good program like kaffeine
[21:03] <OldLubuntuUser> also echer could be also..or rufus
[21:03] <lynorian> I am in United states of America I don't know about dvbt
[21:04] <OldLubuntuUser> "disks" have errors witch mounting iso on pendrives like in my rapport
[21:05] <OldLubuntuUser> I understand:) you have ATSC standard...kaffeine also runs it.
[21:05] <OldLubuntuUser> Its good Kubuntu soft ..
[21:05] <OldLubuntuUser> how many users? have lubuntu?
[21:06] <OldLubuntuUser> I mean steel and occasional users?
[21:06] <OldLubuntuUser> 20,000?
[21:07] <lynorian> OldLubuntuUser: in some ways is hard to count without being somewhat like windows 10
 I think lubuntu should be preinstall on dell or other laptops sell witch no system to to propagate this system
[21:09] <OldLubuntuUser> many governments could use security modified versions of ubuntu instead of windows
[21:10] <OldLubuntuUser> in Poland gov use windows xp and 10 for me it's a mockery and a stupid joke
[21:11] <OldLubuntuUser> linux is too little promoted and not known enough
[21:12] <OldLubuntuUser> I have already persuaded many people to use lubuntu and they use it and are happy
 @OldLubuntuUser [<OldLubuntuUser> I have already persuaded many people to use lubuntu and they us …], I assume your system is 32bit. Giving that you should try to move to 18.04 versions and not 18.10
[23:57] <user___> good mornning
[23:58] <user___> I A NEW USER ON LUBUNTO
[23:58] <user___> bit I hace a problem
[23:59] <user___> thete is not WIFI , WiFi not apper


[10:32] <rmg51> Morning
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs,turkeys?, hamsters and everything else


[01:59] <mhall119> jhodapp: Ubuntu won't run on rasberry pi
[02:00] <mhall119> it's ARMv6, Ubuntu only supports v7 and up
[03:44] <jhodapp> mhall119: wasn't aware of those details, thanks!
[09:24] <milan> i have build ubuntu-tv on my pandaboard, when starting with -opengl it is incredible slow, without -opengl it is much faster, any ideas?
[12:05] <milan> rsalveti, robclark anyone of you an idea how to call unity-2d-shell to get full accleration on pandaboard?
[12:06] <robclark> milan, we had some patches to make qtmobility use an eglImage extension for rendering video which will be way faster than texture upload
[12:08] <milan> robclark: yes, i read this on the blog of rsalveti, but which parameters do you add? -opengl or nothing? or a third choice?
[12:08] <robclark> milan, -opengl
[12:10] <milan> robclark, thanks seems that the linaro overlay ppa does not contain the patched qtmobility, will try the version from your github
[12:11] <robclark> ahh.. well I guess rsalveti would know about that when he shows up