[00:20] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: are you able to sponsor curl? I'll do it now.
[00:20] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, sure
[00:22] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: you shouldn't drop d/changelog changes
[00:22] <ari-tczew> while merging
[00:23] <robert_ancell> why not?  They just add clutter
[00:23] <ari-tczew> this is a history of delta and explanation why it has been added
[00:24] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: sane-backends merge is ready to review. bug 693578
[00:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 693578 in sane-backends (Ubuntu) "Merge sane-backends 1.0.21-9 (main) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693578
[00:24] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, when you do a merge, the last changelog entry should contain all the information on what is different compared to the debian version.  The patch headers contain the bug links/details
[00:25] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: sorry gregory, I just tell you about advices which give me bdrung - core-dev also
[00:27] <micahg> robert_ancell: right, but the actual changelog entries showing when it originally happened can be helpful as well
[00:28] <robert_ancell> micahg, yeah, but I think that's a sympton of bad patch headers - if everything is done correctly then it should be clear.  Not you can always get the old history from bzr
[00:29] <micahg> robert_ancell: might not be a patch if Debian doesn't have a patch system
[00:29] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: even if you're talking well, we have a policy and we should respect it - keeping changes in d/changelog
[00:29] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, where is the policy?
[00:30] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[00:30] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, ta
[00:31] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, sure, but that's not may packages at the moment
[00:34] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, is there a newer version of webkit we can get for natty or the GNOME3 PPA ?
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, because i'm building empathy from source just to see if it works.. and i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/546777/
[00:35] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, yeah, the GNOME3 PPA needs updating.  I was doing it but it takes so damn long to compile (>1hr) and it overheats my laptop and it shuts down half way :(
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> which is a webkit  problem, but empathy
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> webkit takes THAT long??
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> wow
[00:35] <bcurtiswx> well, is there a branch I can build from.. i'll see if i end up with the same fate
[00:36] <ari-tczew> would be nice if you won't forget about my merge request during fix gnome 3.0
[00:36] <ari-tczew> (for webkit)
[00:36] <micahg> robert_ancell: if no one gets to the webkit merge/FTBFS for natty, I'll try to look at it before the end of the year
[00:37] <robert_ancell> micahg, cool, thanks
[00:38] <ari-tczew> micahg: are you going to spend end of the year on fix FTBFS webkit?
[00:38] <micahg> ari-tczew: I can add it to my growing list of things that I'm trying to fix before the end of the year
[00:38] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, is there a branch I can use for webkit i will try my laptop, see if i end up with the same fate
[00:40] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/webkit/ubuntugtk3
[00:40] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, thx
[00:40] <robert_ancell> When it works, push it to lp:~gnome3-team/webkit/ubuntu
[00:40] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, optimistic, i like it :)
[00:41] <robert_ancell> :)
[00:41] <micahg> robert_ancell: can I request access for gnome3 packaging (for gnome-shell)?
[00:42] <robert_ancell> micahg, sure, I thought I'd added you
[00:43] <micahg> robert_ancell: thanks!
[00:43] <robert_ancell> done
[00:43] <robert_ancell> Does anyone know Dean Loros (autocrosser)
[00:43] <robert_ancell> ?
[00:45] <ari-tczew> nope
[00:46] <micahg> robert_ancell: and it's just debian dir branches, right?
[00:46] <robert_ancell> micahg, yes
[00:49] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: I guess that we can forward only d/watch file to Debian. The rest is ubuntu-specific change, right?
[00:50] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, for what?
[00:50] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: sane-backends merge
[00:50] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, yes, I think so
[01:04] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: how about you for merging non-gnome-related stuff for main?
[01:05] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, sure as long as it's desktop related
[01:05] <robert_ancell> what are you thinking of?
[01:06] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: some merges available in main, probably non-desktop related, unfortunately
[01:06] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, are they maintained in ~ubuntu-desktop brz?
[01:06] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: nope
[01:28] <bcurtiswx> still building
[01:46] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/546791/
[02:18] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: curl merge is ready to review. bug 693635
[02:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 693635 in curl (Ubuntu) "Merge curl 7.21.2-4 (main) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693635
[05:33] <vish> robert_ancell: hi, could you upload your patch on Bug #411559  ? seems we missed it for maverick too.
[05:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 411559 in policykit-gnome (Ubuntu) (and 4 other projects) "Unfriendly message upon typing incorrect password (Policykit-GNOME/GDM/gnome-screensaver) (affects: 8) (dups: 2) (heat: 56)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411559
[05:33] <robert_ancell> vish, you're psychic - I just started doing it now!
[05:34] <vish> :)
[05:34] <vish> robert_ancell: awesome! thanks.. :)
[05:34] <robert_ancell> vish, it's a pain, I really wanted upstream to take it but they don't seem interested
[05:34] <vish> yea..
[10:29] <apw> yo ... i have a machine which i updated this morning (natty) and gdm greeter is now cycling without prompting
[10:29] <apw> constantly erroring about assertion `window == NULL || GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)` failed
[10:29] <apw> anyone seen anything like t
[10:29] <apw> that, any ideas as to diagnosis
[11:35] <ricotz> rodrigo_, hi
[11:37] <ricotz> rodrigo_, the current gtk+3.0 2.91.7 tarball is broken and will break many builds like g-s-d
[11:37] <rodrigo_> oh?
[11:38] <ricotz> it misses *.pc after some transition, it is fixed upstream
[11:38] <rodrigo_> ok, and there's a new upstream release, right?
[11:39] <ricotz> i mean some *.pc files
[11:39] <ricotz> no there isnt
[11:39] <rodrigo_> ah, right
[11:39] <ricotz> i have packed  a git snapshot in ppa:ricotz/staging
[11:39] <ricotz> which works
[11:40] <ricotz> rodrigo_, but there seems to be more trouble with the latest 2.23.3 release
[11:40] <rodrigo_> gtk2 2.23.3?
[11:41] <ricotz> yes
[11:41] <rodrigo_> hmm
[11:41] <rodrigo_> ricotz, can you propose your gtk3 fix for merging?
[11:41] <rodrigo_> into the natty package
[11:41] <ricotz> rodrigo_, could you read the log of ubuntu-devel
[11:41] <rodrigo_> yes
[11:42] <rodrigo_> oh, the irc channel you mean?
[11:42] <ricotz> rodrigo_, it is a git snapshot, not sure if this should go into archive
[11:42] <rodrigo_> right
[11:42] <ricotz> oh, yeah, i meant the irc
[11:42] <rodrigo_> I'm not connected to that channel, so can you pastebin the log?
[11:44] <ricotz> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/23/%23ubuntu-devel.txt
[11:45] <ari-tczew> does Robert Ancell working today yet?
[11:46] <ari-tczew> or is he already on holidays?
[11:46] <ricotz> he already worked on things and might be on holidays now
[11:47] <rodrigo_> ari-tczew, he's been working the whole week, afaik, not sure if he is on holidays today
[11:48] <ricotz> rodrigo_, he pushed the gtk and g-i updates ;)
[11:48] <rodrigo_> yes
[11:48] <ricotz> also g-i packaging is broken
[11:48] <ricotz> it seems he dropped the gir1.2-* transition
[11:49] <ari-tczew> he signed my merge as him in webkit branch :/
[11:49] <ari-tczew> not good as sponsor
[11:51] <ricotz> rodrigo_, i will copy my gtk3 snapshot to the gnome3 ppa?
[11:51] <rodrigo_> hmm, I guess that's the best thing to have things working
[11:52] <rodrigo_> so yes, copy it and send a mail to robert, please
[11:52] <ricotz> rodrigo_, could you fix the g-i package?
[11:52] <rodrigo_> ricotz, I can try
[11:52] <rodrigo_> ricotz, the one in natty?
[11:53] <ricotz> yes
[11:53] <Guest7185> is gdm broken?
[11:54] <ricotz> rodrigo_, the changes from ubuntu4 to ubuntu5 are missing
[11:59] <ricotz> rodrigo_, in ppa:ricotz/testing you can find the working g-i packaging
[11:59] <rodrigo_> ricotz, ok, cool
[11:59] <rodrigo_> ricotz, although I can't upload/merge, so if you already have it fixed, why don't you propose a merge?
[12:00] <ricotz> rodrigo_, sorry, i dont have it branched and these are snapshot packages
[12:00] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:01] <bilalakhtar_> Is GDM in natty broken?
[12:01] <rodrigo_> bilalakhtar_, not for me
[12:01] <ricotz> bilalakhtar_, yes, try to downgrade gtk2 to 2.23.2
[12:01] <bilalakhtar_> okay
[12:01] <bilalakhtar_> will have to download debs manually I guess
[12:02] <bilalakhtar_> anyone knows how to install multiple debs at a time using dpkg?
[12:02] <ricotz> unfortunatelly, yes, dpkg -i *.deb
[12:02] <bilalakhtar_> okay thanks for the info
[12:11] <ronoc> mdz: hey, any news on the fluendo codec workitem -> "[mdz] to follow up on the fluendo codecs installation question" from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-application-selection
[12:18] <mdz> ronoc, thanks for the reminder. i'll see what I can find out, though a lot of folks are away on holiday already
[12:19] <ronoc> mdz, grand just wondering where we are at with that
[12:23] <mdz> ronoc, where we are is that I hadn't done anything about it since UDS until just now. I've now sent an email inquiry
[12:24] <ronoc> mdz, cool
[12:24] <ronoc> banshee doesn't like podcast atom feed...
[12:25] <ronoc> *my
[12:25] <ronoc> forwind.net/podcasts.atom
[12:26] <ronoc> but rb is fine with it
[12:31] <mdz> loading my library via DAAP is very slow in banshee, while RB handles it better (still slow but much less so)
[12:36] <rodrigo_> ricotz, have you thought about submitting the gnome-shell packages in your PPA to the gnome3 ppa?
[12:38] <ricotz> rodrigo_, not yet
[12:46] <ronoc> mdz, will chat with Alex about these issues when he comes online after lunch
[12:46] <mdz> ronoc, I've been thinking that what's needed is a caching mechanism for DAAP. then it wouldn't matter so much that it's slow to load everything up initially
[12:47] <mdz> but I haven't looked into it to test that theory
[12:48] <ronoc> yeah that would work, my C# is not existent, but i'd imagine i could give it a shot
[13:08] <mdz> ronoc, you're a C programmer, right?  All you need to do is tune up a half step ;-)
[13:12] <ronoc> mdz: :)
[13:12] <ronoc> grab some lunch
[13:16] <cdbs> ricotz: yes, that downgrade worked
[13:16] <cdbs> thanks
[13:22] <cdbs> BTW, this issue which I just faced (broken login due to GTK upload) is known, right?
[13:22] <cdbs> I can't find a bug number
[13:24] <rodrigo_> ricotz, https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gobject-introspection/merge-ricotz/+merge/44573
[13:28] <ricotz> rodrigo_, thanks
[13:28] <rodrigo_> ricotz, I sent a mail to robert so that he reviews, merges and uploads it
[14:51] <cassidy> is there some plan to package glib-networking ?
[14:55] <cyphermox> cassidy, I don't know, what does it do?
[14:55] <cassidy> it's needed for libproxy integration
[14:57] <cyphermox> ah, it's in debian experimental
[15:00] <cyphermox> cassidy, is it for libproxy integration in a specific package? just trying to find out what would use it so I can add that to a possible bug about syncing the package from experimental :)
[15:00] <cassidy> cyphermox, basically all the app using gio's network feature will gain from it
[15:00] <cassidy> including telepathy-gabble
[15:00] <cyphermox> cool
[15:22] <rodrigo_> how do I migrate a bzr branch from an old version to the new one
[15:22] <rodrigo_> a remote branch that is, can't push to it because the remote is old
[15:29] <maxb> rodrigo_: migrate?
[15:29] <maxb> can you describe the situation a little more?
[15:29] <dobey> robbiew: bzr upgrade nosmart+lp:blahblah
[15:30] <maxb> oh, that sort of old
[15:31] <dobey> err
[15:31] <dobey> rodrigo_: ^^ ; not robbiew
[15:34] <rodrigo_> dobey, thanks, that worked indeed :)
[17:18] <bcurtiswx> so much for unity not exploding :P
[17:19] <bcurtiswx> i have no desktop nor applets on my classic desktop.. nothing shows on unity interface
[17:23] <Amaranth> bcurtiswx: yeah, apparently it may be a gtk thing
[17:23] <Amaranth> I dunno, that's what hggdh was thinking anyway
[17:24] <bcurtiswx> hmm.  GTK failures are never fun
[17:28] <bcurtiswx> i tell ya, this GNOME3 stuff is just a mess
[17:29] <bcurtiswx> any update to anything can be broken by packages that once worked fine for it, but are now too old with deprecated functions
[17:33] <Amaranth> bcurtiswx: We went from "GTK3 is going to be current GTK2 minus deprecations" to last minute rapid changes in GTK3 with corresponding GTK2 released pushed out so they could still say that stuff was deprecated in 2.x :)
[17:42] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: same here. On Unity, I still cannot drill down on the indicators, so...
[17:45] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx, well, we're packaging a very much in progress work, so it's not the developer's fault, really
[17:47] <rodrigo_> we should probably though pay more attention to gtk3 upgrades
[17:48] <ricotz> rodrigo_, in this case gtk2 is broken ;)
[17:49] <rodrigo_> ah, that's another story then :)
[17:49] <ricotz> rodrigo_, i think mclasen pushed some fixes
[17:49] <rodrigo_> yes, I think so
[17:50] <mclasen> Amaranth: you're welcome to help out...
[17:52] <ricotz> mclasen, hi, might be worth a new tarball? since this is quite a big problem
[17:52] <mclasen> ricotz: not sure what oyu are referring to ?
[17:53] <ricotz> mclasen, oh, i meant gtk2 - http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-24&id=120915d6deff05c0154c9d44c3903a8a6e1b3036
[17:54] <mclasen> i'm sure your distro can manage to patch that
[17:55] <ricotz> mclasen, yeah, alright ;)
[17:59] <rodrigo_> ricotz, hmm, your gtk3 package is missing libgtk-x11-3.so
[17:59] <rodrigo_> or seems so, I upgraded and now apps complain about it missing
[18:07] <ricotz> rodrigo_, hmm, i havent changed the packaging at all
[18:08] <ricotz> rodrigo_, sorry, but i have to go :(
[18:08] <mclasen> rodrigo_: its libgtk.so now
[18:09]  * mclasen sends those announcements for a reason...
[18:16] <rodrigo_> mclasen, right, so I guess it's an app not rebuilt yet
[18:17] <mclasen> yeah, abi is still changing
[19:45] <bcurtiswx> rodrigo_, i don't blame anyone.  its going to be like this whether we want it to be or not. :)
[20:26] <dobey> is there an easy way to figure out the gir api version? ie, 1.2 vs 1.0?
[20:42] <bcurtiswx> rodrigo_, gnome-keyring was published 8 hours ago.  Is there any reason I wouldn't see it in the PPA yet ?
[20:45] <dobey> mterry: ping
[20:47] <mterry> dobey, hi
[20:48] <dobey> mterry: hey, i saw you sent http://old.nabble.com/gir-ABI-change-td30509226.html ; can you answer some more technical concerns about that change?
[20:48] <mterry> dobey, I'll try
[20:49] <dobey> mterry: do you know why debian made that change? is there an e-mail archive i can read on debian-devel or something?
[20:50] <dobey> mterry: it seems like the resulting gir files are still in /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/ (which is obviously not 1.2)
[20:50] <mterry> dobey, they made the change because gir 1.2 format files are incompatible with gir 1.0 files, despite sharing the same name
[20:50] <mterry> dobey, correct
[20:50] <mterry> dobey, GNOME upstream decided not to update the file location
[20:50] <mterry> dobey, under the assumption that not enough people would be affected to do it right
[20:51] <mterry> (my interpretation, obviously not a quote)
[20:51] <mterry> As for a Debian email...  I don't have one at hand
[20:52] <dobey> mterry: ok that is a bit off. and makes it even harder for me to do what i'm trying to do :(
[20:52] <mterry> dobey, what's that?
[20:55] <dobey> mterry: so we have 'nightly' builds of all the ubuntuone client projects. some of them have gir data for the C libraries. and we're currently only using one packaging branch/recipe per project to build these nightlies. this means that we now have to name the packages differently on lucid/maverick vs. narwhal (even though they contain the same files on disk). so i was going to make a substvar to name the package correctly, b
[20:55] <dobey> mterry: also, what will happen if upstream gets past 1.0 and decides to change the file format again, and actually call it 1.2? seems like a conflict of interest there, no?
[20:57] <mterry> dobey, that won't happen.  upstream calls the current abi version 1.2.  You can see by checking the actual file contents of a gir.  it has a version=1.2 line somewhere. They just chose not to update the location
[20:57] <mterry> dobey, so if they go to 1.3, we'll see whether they update the file location or not.  but that would only affect parellel installability
[21:00] <dobey> hrmm, actually, calling it 'abi' is a bit weird too.
[21:00] <dobey> but anyway
[21:01] <dobey> is there any way i can determine if it's 1.0 or 1.2 or whatever i need to use, from running a script or something?
[21:02] <mterry> dobey, well, it probably means abi in the context of the typelib
[21:02] <mterry> dobey, for gir, yes.  you see the <repository> root node?  it has a version attribute
[21:02] <mterry> dobey, for typelib, I'm not so sure
[21:02] <dobey> no, where do i get a repository root node?
[21:03] <dobey> i'm pretty sure parsing some random xml to try and guess the version isn't the right way to go about it, anyway
[21:03] <mterry> dobey, open /usr/share/gir-1.0/xlib-2.0.gir
[21:03] <mterry> dobey, you're not guessing.  it says right there
[21:05] <dobey> mterry: but what happens if the file i decide to parse says "1.0" but the gir tools that generate the file i'm installing create a "1.2" file?
[21:06] <dobey> then the package would be named wrong. so parsing someone else's .gir files won't work (and i can't parse mine since it's not yet built)
[21:06] <mterry> dobey, oh i see your question.  you want to know which version of the tools you have
[21:07] <dobey> i want to be able to substvar the correct version into the binary package name, yes
[21:08] <mterry> dobey, well, you could either check which version of g-ir-scanner is installed (by checking gobject-introspection's package version number, it doesn't seem to have a --version) or go by distro codename
[21:08] <dobey> yeah, none of the g-ir-* seem to have a --version option :(
[21:08] <mterry> dobey, I don't know which version shipped with maverick
[21:08] <dobey> although i am not sure that would help
[21:10] <dobey> lucid had 0.6.8, maverick 0.9.3, and narwhal has 0.10.0 as of today, but did have 0.9.12 for most of its life prior to today
[21:11] <mterry> dobey, I don't know which generated which gir offhand.  You might want to check the output to know
[21:18]  * mterry goes afk
[21:39] <dobey> mterry: thanks anyway
[22:50] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: holidays?
[22:53] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, off soon
[22:54] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: could you add even header about me in the d/changelog in webkit?
[22:54] <ari-tczew> I guess that's fair to sign who did the merge...
[22:54] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, ?
[22:55] <robert_ancell> "even header"?
[22:56] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: if a couple of contributors work on one package then everyone has header like [ full name ] and under header describe of his work
[22:56] <robert_ancell> oh, sure
[22:57] <robert_ancell> which bits did you work on?  I did that update in paraller
[22:57] <robert_ancell> parallel
[23:01] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: my clipboard doesn't work, I can't copy a link. look into my branch linked to bug 691104
[23:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691104 in webkit (Ubuntu) "Merge webkit 1.2.5-2.1 (main) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691104
[23:49] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: look on bug 693976
[23:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 693976 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "[natty] Copying to clipboard broken (affects: 5) (heat: 28)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693976


[10:36] <sagaci> jaddi27, in regards to oneiric, we weren't 100% but I think we were 100% according to Ubuntu stardards
[10:36] <sagaci> standards*
[10:37] <jaddi27> Ok. I didn't add us to the list of tested languages last night, because I didn't think there was much that would change between the last translations pack and the new one
[10:50] <sagaci> not in oneiric, anyhow