[01:13] <drab> hi, is lxsession-logout necessarily vertical? I don't quite get the code, but even in the manual I don't see any other way to make it horizontal
[01:14] <drab> not sure why it was designed this way, I'm sure there's some good reasons, but I'm trying to make something people coming from windows easily recognize and vertical options are throwing folks off
[01:15] <drab> also I'm seeing calls like dbus_systemd_CanSuspend (https://github.com/lxde/lxsession/blob/master/lxsession-logout/lxsession-logout.c#L520)
[01:16] <drab> which suggests what buttons are displayed should be tunable, but I can't figure that one out either, most users should only be able to logout or lock, nothing else
[01:16] <drab> thanks


[00:00] <JanC> without knowing all the details, I think it wouldn't be too difficult to implement indeed
[00:00] <JanC> by creating an ad-hoc .desktop file
[00:00] <ais523> well, let's say I pin a particular PDF to the launcher; then I open that PDF, not from the launcher, but from within Evince or within Nautilus
[00:01] <ais523> what I'd want to happen is for that launcher icon to light up, rather than Evince's, and for it to not group with my other Evince windows
[00:01] <ais523> that's the hard part implementation-wise (it's the same task as working out what .desktop file to create)
[00:01] <ais523> everything else is easy, as you've pointed out
[00:03] <JanC> when you add support for something like that to an application, the application should be able to refer to the right .desktop file I assume (or else BAMF needs some serious fixes)
[00:04] <JanC> although, maybe it doesn't, and that's why it behaves weird half of the time  ;)
[00:04] <ais523> it doesn't, and that is indeed why it behaves weird half of the time :)
[00:05] <JanC> I mean, I have 2 nautilus items right now, and have no idea why--the non-persistent active one was started by clicking the non-active persistent one's icon  ;)
[00:07] <ais523> I somehow managed to get two copies of my newsreader in the launcher once
[00:08] <ais523> and I wasn't even doing anything unusual
[00:08] <ais523> (although it crashed a lot, so maybe apport is indirectly responsible for that one)
[00:08] <JanC> maybe you asked apport to restart the application, so it didn't get restarted using its .desktop file?
[00:09] <ais523> yep, that's what I'm thinking
[00:09] <ais523> although it should have been able to match it to the .desktop file anyway via window class and executable
[00:09] <JanC> apport can't really rely on that being available, I suppose
[00:10] <JanC> but maybe could use it optionally
[00:10] <ais523> it's not apport's fault, it's bamf's
[00:10] <ais523> ideally it should ignore how an application started altogether when matching
[00:11] <ais523> although it needs to look at that to learn what a launcher does, I think
[00:11] <JanC> well, it needs some way to match applications to launcher items  ;)
[00:12] <ais523> yes
[00:12] <JanC> but AFAIK there is no mandatory thing available to be able to do that
[00:13] <JanC> so it needs help from the application, and hope the application isn't confused itself  ;)
[00:14] <ais523> yep
[00:14] <ais523> it should be able to handle applications in general with some heuristics, although some would need special cases
[00:14] <ais523> you can look for things that look like filenames in the title bar, for instance
[00:14] <ais523> start with ~ or / and the name of one of the top-level directories on the system
[00:15] <ais523> and you can work out that a launcher is for an application plus a specific file, by comparing the command lines; one will have a filename where the other has a wildcard
[00:44] <JanC> it's not as easy as that, I suppose
[00:45] <ais523> it's never as easy as that when you start implementing it
[00:45] <ais523> atm I'm trying to figure out how to figure out what process is foregrounded in a terminal
[00:45] <ais523> and there's a syscall (actually ioctl) for that but for some reason you're only allowed to use it if you're running on that terminal yourself…
[00:47] <JanC> that sounds like a sensible restriction fro ma security PoV  ;)
[00:47] <ais523> I'd expect it to also be allowed if you're running as the same user
[00:47] <ais523> there's apparently both a user check and a terminal check
[00:48] <ais523> and I think you can get around it anyway by using the debugging API to start debugging an application on that terminal and ask it to make the check for you, but that's obviously ridiculous
[00:48] <JanC> what if you have a sudo session running in that terminal?
[00:49] <ais523> then you get EPERM from the syscall
[00:50] <JanC> probably better to keep application matching to actual X apps to start with,  ☺
[00:50] <JanC> ?
[00:50] <ais523> as in, a different error
[00:50] <ais523> "you aren't on the terminal" is ENOTTY, versus "you don't have the permissions to see which program is running" which is EPERM
[00:50] <JanC> ah, makes sense
[00:51] <JanC> I mean, the error differences
[00:51] <ais523> huh, no, EPERM is only for /setting/
[00:52] <ais523> I guess what happens is that if you're on the terminal, it tells you that sudo is running
[00:52] <ais523> but not what sudo is doing, which you don't have the perms to look at
[00:52] <ais523> anyone has the perms to check if it's running or not, though
[08:21] <jussi> so.. if anyones around... Not sure where this belongs, but I get a nice system settings crash and then when I click report bug the bug reporter just closes. :/
[08:22] <jussi> I can repeat it every time...
[15:33] <Margouillat-Samb> hello everybody
[15:33] <Margouillat-Samb> I have a problem to install Unity on my Ubuntu 12.04
[15:34] <Margouillat-Samb> I install it with the main depositeries, but when I try to use it, there is nothing like Unity in the list
[15:34] <Margouillat-Samb> someone can help me??
[15:34] <Daekdroom> It should say 'Ubuntu'
[15:35] <Margouillat-Samb> but it's Lubuntu
[15:35] <Daekdroom> But the session name for Unity is 'Ubuntu'.
[15:35] <Margouillat-Samb> that's why there is no unity install by default
[15:36] <Margouillat-Samb> I check it and I come back to say
[15:38] <Margouillat> There is nothing like Ubuntu
[15:39] <Margouillat> there is only Lubuntu LXDE Gnome/openbox
[15:40] <Margouillat> why there's no ubuntu? can you help me
[15:40] <Margouillat> ??
[15:44] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure.
[15:59] <Margouillat> I have to precise what are the problems which ennoy me with my computer : when I do ctrl + alt + F1 to F6 there is an error message on my monitor with : "NO SUPPORT" and the same when I start my computer in the place of my grub
[16:02] <Margouillat> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=907421
[16:08] <JanC> Margouillat: if you want a Unity-based desktop, then install the ubuntu-desktop package (not only unity)
[16:08] <JanC> then that should be an option in the login screen
[17:32] <JanC> just saw this: http://blog.rootshell.be/2012/05/02/integrating-osvdb-into-ubuntuunity/  ☺


[02:53] <Canon> Hello all... I am trying to scan an external drive with rkhunter... and ideas
[03:18] <wfreeman> I have just installed kubuntu 15.10 and the system boots to a black desktop with a mouse cursor; no KDE panels, desktop, etc. are visible. How can I fix this?
[03:18] <wfreeman> I can run commands with alt-f2 but that's it,.
[03:34] <finetundra> wfreeman: What have you tried so far?
[03:43] <nolsen> What the hell.
[03:44] <nolsen>  welp, got to hardshutdown kubuntu again
[03:44] <nolsen> Because I can't even escape hexchat.
[03:44] <nolsen> oh, nvm. but my taskbar is gone xD
[03:47] <nolsen> My taskbar is ded: http://i.imgur.com/wJ4bpkI.png
[04:13] <finetundra> nolsen: ctrl+alt+f1, login, sudo poweroff, insert password
[05:36] <Canon> hello all
[05:37] <Canon> whats the package that minicom is in
[11:16] <lordievader> !info minicom
[11:16] <lordievader> Hmm, guess I'm a bit late.
[11:58] <benve> !list
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:49] <Guest53458> Hi, do anyone knows a openpgp help channel?
[13:12] <lordievader> I'm sure alis does.
[13:12] <lordievader> !alis
[13:53] <jubo2> hi
[13:53] <jubo2> I have a Lenovo X201 1st generation i5
[13:54] <jubo2> it overheats, a lot whenever I boot into Kubuntu
[13:54] <jubo2> 'sudo sensors-detect' show an Intel-made sensor unit that has been assigned to 'coretemp' driver
[13:55] <jubo2> With no load on CPU it goes to 80'ish and with load it goes to 90's till shutdown from temperature alarm trigger level reached
[13:56] <jubo2> Waits for someone to say "Just boot it to Windows if it works so fine there."
[14:00] <lordievader> How dusty is your machine?
[14:12] <jubo2> lordievader: I'm not very interested in that
[14:12] <jubo2> One of my key concerns is that the Intel-buit thermal sensor apprears to be lying
[14:13] <jubo2> that or something or someone is injecting voltage peaks or summ shit like that to the CPU
[14:13] <jubo2> Windows runs ~ 57C plus minus 2
[14:14] <jubo2> Kubuntu runs 85-90 plus minus 11C
[14:14] <jubo2> enough to force shutdown
[14:15] <jubo2> the peaks and valleys can be like 15-20C
[14:15] <jubo2> the shit doesn't make any sense or Intel Corporation hates me
[14:15] <lordievader> jubo2: It could explain why it reports 90 on idle...
[14:16] <jubo2> There are newer governors available for Sandy and Ivy Bridge and later
[14:17] <jubo2> Here instructions to install and activate Intel P-State governor for Sandy Bridge and later systems
[14:17] <jubo2> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/prevent-your-laptop-from-overheating.html
[14:19] <jubo2> I'm going to get 23nm litography system next
[14:19] <jubo2> one that supports 3 displays and 32GB RAM
[14:21] <jubo2> not that I'll ever need to put more than 16GB
[14:21] <lordievader> Bit offtopic.. don't you think?
[14:21] <jubo2> That runs 2 OS and bunch off apliance servers
[14:21] <jubo2> lordievader: Yea
[14:21] <jubo2> So
[14:21] <jubo2> I boot the system to windows because Kubuntu cannot handle something
[14:22] <lordievader> Does a live-cd have the same problem? Also which version of Kubuntu?
[14:22] <jubo2> Kubuntu15.10
[14:23] <jubo2> I have never installed Psensor in Live-CD but it has never shutdown from overheating
[14:23] <jubo2> Maybe I should
[14:24] <lordievader> What temperatures does the live cd report?
[14:24] <jubo2> I reboot the X201 to Live CD now
[14:28] <jubo2> now apt installing it
[14:28] <jubo2> ok. now Psensor started
[14:28] <lordievader> You don't need to give updates at every action ;)
[14:30] <jubo2> What? No action commentary by jubo-jubo required for channel comfort
[14:30] <lordievader> No, saves the both of us time.
[14:33] <jubo2> temperature is stable at 66C plusminus 2 degrees
[14:35] <jubo2> now 70C when I put some youtube playing
[14:36] <lordievader> Right, so your install does something that either really gets the temp up or, like you said, the reporting is wrong. How is the cpu utilization in your install?
[14:37] <jubo2> It appears to vary only 1C up or down now ~ 70C
[14:37] <jubo2> should I 'sudo apt install stress' ?
[14:39] <lordievader> For the live env? Sure would tell you more.
[14:39] <jubo2> 2 CPU hogs
[14:39] <jubo2> TEMP GOES UPPPP
[14:39] <lordievader> 2 cores no hyper threading?
[14:39] <jubo2> 2 cores 2 threads per core
[14:39] <jubo2> The fan controller is not doing it's job
[14:40] <jubo2> 4,000RPM
[14:40] <jubo2> and shutdown
[14:40] <lordievader> So why not --cpu 4? Anyhow that is besides the point. I'll ask my first question again, how dusty is the machine?
[14:41] <jubo2> not externally
[14:41] <jubo2> P-;
[14:41] <lordievader> ...
[14:42] <lordievader> How old is the laptop?
[14:42] <jubo2> 4 yrs
[14:42] <lordievader> Hmm, there is a chance the cooling paste hardened.
[14:42] <jubo2> I got cooling paste
[14:43] <jubo2> It is just very very complicated to get to the cooling fan
[14:43] <jubo2> you have to strip even the mainboard and the display before you can access it
[14:44] <lordievader> I know. So first make sure your machine is dust free. Get a can of compressed air and blow out the heatsink.
[14:50] <jubo2> lordievader: I got compressed air
[14:50] <jubo2> into the heatsink without removing it?
[14:50] <jubo2> machine on or off?
[14:51] <lordievader> Off, ofcourse.
[14:59] <jubo2> food time
[15:18] <jubo2> Finally figured how to operate the pressure air can
[15:25] <jubo2> It seems to be running cooler no
[15:26] <jubo2> *now
[15:26] <jubo2> has peaked at 78C moderate load
[15:35] <lordievader> Lots of dust came out?
[15:36] <clivejo> dust would cause over heating :/
[15:37] <jubo2> some dust came out
[17:25] <yotux> is there a way to get icons in kmymoney2?
[17:39] <yotux> anyone else having icon problems in 15.10
[17:53] <mparillo> I had icon problems on my favorites when I upgraded (I believe they moved or something), but not on a fresh install.
[17:55] <yotux> I have missing icons on the fav menu and in kmymoney,  when I change icon themes some icons come back
[17:56] <yotux> wondering if reseting the .kde folder would be useful
[18:56] <Draggin> Good evening! I've put this off for a long time, since I have this laptop and could go on with work, but I've severely messed up my desktop machine during an Ubuntu upgrade, and I'm not even sure where to start. I was running Kubuntu Utopic for a very long time and ifnally decided to upgrade to Vivid, but my machine is a little the worse for wear after doing so. It still boots, all services etc. work. I can log in from command line, but there seems to be
[18:56] <Draggin> an absolute tonne of broken dependencies and X doesn't start, no matter what. It's an old machine - Pentium IV, 2.4GHz with 2GB RAM and an old nVidia 6200 AGP card (which I suspect is where the issues started).
[18:57] <Draggin> Which logs do I start looking at?
[19:22] <lordievader> Wow, didn't think I'd ever see the 6200 again. What driver are you using for it?
[19:25] <Draggin> Haha! lordievader - I was using the nVidia 304 drivers, but I've been mucking around now trying to get the machine back up and running, so at the moment, I've purged nvidia
[19:25] <lordievader> I'm pretty sure that the closed source drivers dropped support for it a long time ago.
[19:25] <lordievader> Does a live cd work with it?
[19:27] <Draggin> Does a live CD work with the graphics card?
[19:28] <Draggin> Haven't actually tested recently... Let me see if I have one lying around nearby
[19:28] <clivejo> might have to use the nomodeset option
[19:29] <Draggin> But lordievader - it *was* quite a mission to get the graphics card up and running. I had to end up using a different driver to the one recommended by Ubuntu itself
[19:30] <lordievader> Oh, I bet. And even if you do get it working, you don't want to work with it...
[19:30] <Draggin> clivejo, I was using that
[19:30] <clivejo> sometimes upgrades lose it
[19:31] <clivejo> have you double checked its still being passed to the kernel?
[19:31] <Draggin> lordievader, at this point, I'm less concerned with getting the nVidia drivers up and running than just being able to boot into my machine normally again :) I'll worry about the drivers later.
[19:32] <Draggin> I figured I'd like to be able to get into Kubuntu properly again, then upgrade to the latest release
[19:32] <lordievader> That wasn't what I meant. It will be slow as heck :P
[19:32] <lordievader> Anyhow, with the nouveau driver you might have a chance.
[19:32] <Draggin> clivejo, not sure how to do that, but like I said, I've actually purged all nVidia stuff at the moment, but Nouveau isn't booting the system either.
[19:34] <Draggin> Well, believe it or not, I was actually using this machine for limited gaming o_O and it worked beautifully (on some games). But now the machine is close to being a brick. And I don't have enough external storage space to do a full backup and rerun a clean install, so I'd like to try and fix it
[19:35] <lordievader> Are the drive(s) Sata?
[19:35] <lordievader> If so, you can then just transfer them to a newer machine ;)
[19:36] <Draggin> Oh… The hard drive situation, yes... Need to fill you in on that, I think
[19:38] <yotux> I think he has old IDE drives
[19:39] <Draggin> Oh - something I should probably also mention (and an error that I've seen pop up here and there) is that I'm running this machine on a WD Blue Advanced Format 1TB drive using GPT (that's what it's called, right...? As in not MBR) Took me two days to read up about properly initialising, formatting and installing it, but it's worked beautifully ever since. Now, I seem to be getting error messages possibly relating to that
[19:40] <Draggin> I see messages about sda1 VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem, qnx4 no qnx4 filesystem (no root dir), ufs: you didn't specify the type of your ufs filesystem.
[19:43] <lordievader> Where do you see those messages?
[19:44] <Draggin> terminal
[19:46] <lordievader> Sure, but where? Reading logs, at boot, etc?
[19:48] <Draggin> No - it's being output to the screen during the process
[19:48] <lordievader> During what process?
[19:48] <Draggin> That's why I asked what logs and things I should be looking at - I have no idea where to start troubleshooting this mess
[19:48] <Draggin> lordievader, during an apt-get
[19:48] <lordievader> Wut? That is really strange...
[19:49] <lordievader> Good logs for this kind of things is the syslog, kern and dmesg logs.
[19:49] <Draggin> Oh - the other thing that happens (after getting rid of nVidia), when I boot, I see the kubuntu loader screen, but immediately afterwards, it gets stuck on a screen that just says "starting version 219" in the top left corner. Nothing else happening. I have to ctrl+alt+f1 to get to another tty to be able to log in to do anything
[19:50] <Draggin> Okay. lordievader - they're all in /var/log?
[19:51] <lordievader> Yes, that is where the logs go.
[19:52] <Draggin> I do see a sda3 re-mounted opts: errors=remount-ro message in the kern.log...
[19:53] <lordievader> Time to check your disks.
[19:54] <Draggin> That's fsck, right...?
[19:57] <lordievader> Yes. But you likely need a live-cd for it. Or at least I guess the root-fs is on sda3.
[19:58] <Draggin> Can confirm that - the root filesystem is on sda3 according to fstab
[19:58] <Draggin> Where can I see *what* errors caused it to be remounted as RO
[20:00] <lordievader> A read/write error...
[20:00] <Draggin> lordievader, I also just got these same messages in the terminal when I ran sudo update-grub
[20:00] <lordievader> I bet.
[20:00] <lordievader> It is time to fsck and check the smart data.
[20:00] <lordievader> I suspect a failing disk.
[20:00] <kaddi_> Smurphy, just wanted to let you know that the bluetooth is working now.. Not sure what happened, I tried to fix it for an entire day.. the next day I booted and the bluetooth was automatically detected
[20:00] <Draggin> Why the need for a live CD? Can't I run fsck here?
[20:01] <lordievader> No, fsck requires the filesystem to be unmounted/unused.
[20:01] <kaddi> still don't know what happened, but it wasn't a defective device in the end
[20:02] <Draggin> Ohhh, I see... Darn
[20:02] <lordievader> You can check the smart data in your install though.
[20:03] <Draggin> I have a Knoppix disc here somewhere, let me dig
[20:03] <lordievader> Install smartmontools if smartctl ain't available, else: sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
[20:03] <lordievader> !pastebin
[20:17] <Draggin> lordievader, https://paste.kde.org/ppmbaeeln
[20:20] <lordievader> Apart from the command_timeout it looks to be in good-health.
[20:21] <Draggin> I have no idea how to read that output :)
[20:21] <Draggin> This drive is less than a year old though, so it shouldn't have problems, really...
[20:24] <lordievader> Well, the important part are the reallocated sectors and pending sectors (these should be zero). Also anything with error in the tile (these should be as low as possible).
[20:26] <Draggin> What are all those "pre-fail" and "old-age" headings?
[20:28] <Draggin> lordievader, so what now…? fsck?
[20:30] <lordievader> Yes.
[20:30] <lordievader> Draggin: Those pre-fail/old-age you can ignore. Even new drives have those labels...
[20:31] <Draggin> Phew... Was just worrying there...
[20:33] <Draggin> Kay. I'll have to go read up on fsck then and find a bloody live CD in my mess somewhere
[20:46] <Draggin> lordievader, thanks for your assistance thus far.
[20:46] <lordievader> No problem.
[20:46] <Draggin> I'm going to have to get to bed though. Hopefully I can locate one of my live CDs tomorrow and see if fsck turns up something
[20:46] <Draggin> thanks again :)
[20:46] <Draggin> Good night!
[21:16] <hudsonkem> kde plasma 5.4.2 and 5.4.3, cannt change desktop layout to folder view.
[21:19] <hudsonkem> sorry my mistake, forgot to unlock widgets -_-
[23:48] <Carol> how can I download Kubuntu 15.04?
[23:49] <Carol> I want to put it in my pendrive
[23:49] <Carol> anyone can tell me? I see no links to download it anywhere


[00:31] <bschaefer> thumper: so when the panel starts it changes the color of the top panel to match the dash
[00:31] <bschaefer> i mean when the dash opens it changes the panel color to match
[00:31] <bschaefer> thumper: i just started up again let me take a quick look at the code again to refresh...
[00:34] <bschaefer> Trevinho: what have you done/found on the blur panel bug?
[00:34] <Trevinho> bschaefer: I've started sudying the thing and done many tests
[00:35] <thumper> Trevinho: would it be worth off loading the findings and looking at bamf?
[00:35] <Trevinho> hovever it's quite hard since there are many layers mixing....
[00:35] <Trevinho> Ok
[00:35] <bschaefer> Trevinho, that is what I have been doing, what I found is under PanelView::UpdateBackground is where it changes the panel to just the color if _dash_is_open
[00:35] <Trevinho> by the way my findings aren't that much things... I just moved the panel below the blur, but then the blending doesn't work as expected
[00:36] <Trevinho> yep
[00:36] <Trevinho> however bschaefer you need to work on DrawContent and on Draw
[00:36] <Trevinho> more than there
[00:36] <Trevinho> I actually just commended the code in the if {} (keeping only the else part)... and doing tests only with Draw(Content)
[00:36] <bschaefer> Trevinho, I was looking at those and just made _dash_is_open to false and it wasn't do much to the effects of the panel. What I am thinking is an if statement in UpdateBackground
[00:37] <bschaefer> if (_dash_is_open && (_menu_view->GetMaximizedWindow() == 0))
[00:37] <bschaefer> that will be if the window is maxed, and then an else if (_dash_is_open_) then an else
[00:38] <bschaefer> Trevinho, there is still a lot of stuff I need to look into, but since the Dash doesn't cover the panel view we can't rely on that
[00:39] <bschaefer> color to change something we put there, so it seems like we are going to have to maybe use 2 layers one with the color that shows the background and one to keep something behind it
[00:40] <Trevinho> bschaefer: the blur effect is not done by the dash on the panel
[00:40] <Trevinho> but by the panel itself
[00:40] <bschaefer> Trevinho, yeah, which is annoying
[00:40] <Trevinho> Yep, but there's no other way to get that
[00:40] <Trevinho> since they're two different windows
[00:41] <Trevinho> however, before of focusing on the UpdateBackground logics (that maybe is also unneeded as that could have been done not drawing the bg_layer on DrawContent, without regenerating it at every step)
[00:41] <bschaefer> hmm, yeah if the dash covered the panel this would be an easy fix!! So now I wonder if we can keep the panel there and put the color it gets changed to over it
[00:41] <Trevinho> that is easy
[00:41] <Trevinho> the main issue is blending the layers on draw and drawcontent
[00:42] <Trevinho> bschaefer: have you seen the desired effect that JohnLea has posted on the bug today?
[00:42] <bschaefer> Trevinho, have not, let me take a look
[00:43] <Trevinho> that's what he wants... So basically you need to draw the background layer under the layer that applies the blur
[00:43] <bschaefer> yeah, that is something I had imagine he wanted
[00:44] <Trevinho> the problem here is mixing them correcly
[00:44] <Trevinho> but on this jaytaoko can help
[00:44] <Trevinho> I contacted him yesterday about this
[00:44] <Trevinho> but he told me he should have looked into that more
[00:45] <bschaefer> Trevinho, cool hopefully he gets that ping otherwise I can contact him also.
[00:45] <bschaefer> have you talked to macslow at all about this?
[00:45] <Trevinho> no
[00:46] <Trevinho> I was planning to do that, but since I've looked at that issue only on late nights, he wasn't there :)
[00:46] <bschaefer> it might be worth while to send him an email since he was working on it before. I can send him an email later when I find more stuff out
[00:47] <bschaefer> Trevinho, doesn't the background layer normally get applied under the blur layer?
[00:48]  * bschaefer hasn't looked into that part as much
[00:49] <bschaefer> Trevinho, so are you saying apply the blur then apply the background so it doesn't get the background on the blur?
[00:49] <Trevinho> the background layer is actually the layer with the standard panel color, and generally is applied over the blur
[00:50] <Trevinho> however the blur is drawn only when the dash is opened
[00:50] <Trevinho> and it uses no blending, so it goes over the background in fact
[00:50] <bschaefer> Trevinho, so that would be why it shows the background
[00:51] <Trevinho> Well... The blur layer has the colors of the background
[00:51] <Trevinho> (where with background I mean the wallpaper)
[00:52] <bschaefer> yeah that is what I ment also. So if the background layer has the standard color of the panel...ie put the blur over it so it blurs
[00:53] <Trevinho> eh, yep
[00:53] <Trevinho> that's theory
[00:53] <Trevinho> but it doesn't work as I expected
[00:53] <bschaefer> which is what you said, that looks like a good approach haha :)
[00:53] <bschaefer> what happened?
[00:54] <Trevinho> The blending is not enabled by default for the blur layer, so it just doesn't consider what's below
[00:54] <Trevinho> enabling the blending you can get something working, but not well
[00:55] <Trevinho> i.e. result: http://ubuntuone.com/7Mo4ntSpgC6Gqa3zQidsnL (dark theme), http://ubuntuone.com/0esZCMee6pzPAWBPG4pTkB (bright theme)
[00:55] <bschaefer> Trevinho, looks like the right track though
[00:57] <bschaefer> Trevinho, do you have  a branch or ppa I could look at? Or is it small changes you did?
[00:57] <bschaefer> Trevinho, as I was looking more at the UpdateBackground part and less at the draw content
[00:58] <Trevinho> bschaefer: no, I've nothing online
[01:00] <Trevinho> bschaefer: look if this helps http://paste.ubuntu.com/763336/
[01:02] <bschaefer> Trevinho, sweet thanks! Ill also try to get a hold of jay on this along with sending an email to macslow later.
[01:02] <Trevinho> yw
[02:31] <nobodyspecial> hello
[02:31] <nobodyspecial> anybody online?
[02:32] <nobodyspecial> unity sucks balls.  Just wanted to make that clear to you guys.  What a disaster.
[02:32] <nobodyspecial> bye
[03:33] <Trevinho> bschaefer: did you found something?
[03:52] <bschaefer> Trevinho, not anything worthwhile as it seems so close to just looking right
[03:52] <Trevinho> The problem is also with bright themes
[03:52] <Trevinho> try with Ambiance
[03:52] <bschaefer> Trevinho, I am scanning through other rop blending options also
[03:54] <bschaefer> Trevinho, alright let me re compile. so far this two are looking the closest, rop.SrcBlend = GL_DST_COLOR;    rop.DstBlend = GL_ONE;
[03:54] <bschaefer> Trevinho, which you had already
[03:55] <Trevinho> :/
[03:56] <bschaefer> Trevinho, did you play around with Draw at all?
[03:56] <Trevinho> yes...
[03:56] <Trevinho> However, drawcontent manages what should be there
[03:56] <Trevinho> draw only pushes it
[03:56] <Trevinho> afik
[03:57] <bschaefer> Trevinho, it just seems to need to blend better with the dash, the line is very hard...with ambiance
[04:00] <bschaefer> Trevinho, i mean with radiance, the white one
[04:00] <Trevinho> yep
[04:19] <bschaefer> Trevinho, I am also thinking that the bar is going to be constant, since he doesn't want the background behind it
[04:19] <bschaefer> ie no matter whats on the screen if its full screen it will look the same depending on the theme
[04:19] <Trevinho> yes
[04:19] <Trevinho> that should be happen...
[04:20] <Trevinho> I also thought to that, and using a workaround
[04:20] <Trevinho> but I'm sure that the clean solution can be done correctly using nux
[04:21] <bschaefer> Trevinho, yeah, this is my first time messing with nux and its blending so I am still trying to get use to that haha
[04:21] <bschaefer> Trevinho, messing with the front end part that is
[04:21] <Trevinho> I know what you mean... I've spent more than 4 hours looking to that
[04:22] <bschaefer> Trevinho, yeah haha that is what I have been doing also now
[04:22] <bschaefer> jaytaoko, ping!
[04:22] <bschaefer> I think jay would be able to help out, not sure what his timezone is though
[04:23] <Trevinho> it could be late for him
[04:23] <Trevinho> I know he's Canadian
[04:23] <Trevinho> but I don't know his TZ
[04:23] <Trevinho> That doesn't explain why I'm Italian and I'm still UP by the way :D
[04:23] <bschaefer> Trevinho, haha I was about to ask you your time zone
[04:24] <bschaefer> Trevinho, it is only 8:30 pm here
[04:24] <Trevinho> 5:30 here...
[04:24] <Trevinho> am
[04:24] <Trevinho> of course...
[04:24] <bschaefer> Trevinho, well dam...that is pretty early/late
[04:24] <Trevinho> yep
[04:24] <Trevinho> damned branches... .I've too much code waiting to be landed to be maintened
[04:25] <bschaefer> Trevinho, haha, yeah merging trunk?
[04:25] <Trevinho> they should
[04:25] <Trevinho> but they're missing few tests or they needs some cleanups
[04:25] <Trevinho> so I've to rework them
[04:26] <Trevinho> and this take time by the way
[04:27] <bschaefer> haha that sounds very time consuming
[04:27] <Trevinho> a lot
[04:28] <bschaefer> it is 11:30 jays time
[04:29] <bschaefer> I missed him then, he is USA east coast time
[04:31] <bschaefer> Trevinho, did you look into this function at all? SetPremultipliedBlend
[04:32] <bschaefer> I am trying to find what else could possibly be changed in the DrawContent that would be helpful...
[04:32] <Trevinho> bschaefer: I guess that is used when pushing layers
[04:33] <Trevinho> is the default blending
[04:33] <bschaefer> Trevinho, I see, should have copied the whole line of code. GfxContext.GetRenderStates().SetPremultipliedBlend(nux::SRC_OVER);
[05:14] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: hello
[05:14] <Trevinho> hi jaytaoko
[05:15] <Trevinho> jaytaoko: bschaefer is now working on that bug we were discussing yesterday
[05:15] <Trevinho> I hope you could help him
[05:15] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: ok
[05:15] <Trevinho> it's time to go to bed for me now
[05:15] <Trevinho> (it's 6:15 am here :/)
[05:15] <Trevinho> see you guys!
[05:15] <jaytaoko> Trevinho: indeed have a good night/day
[05:15] <Trevinho> :)
[05:16] <jaytaoko> bschaefer: hello
[05:17] <jaytaoko> bschaefer: I have to reboot my system, feel free to send me an update by email regarding the blending effect. cheers
[05:19] <bschaefer> Trevinho, night!
[09:25] <davidcalle> andyrock, the BFB quicklist is awesome!
[09:25] <andyrock> davidcalle, thx, if you've any suggestions...
[09:29] <davidcalle> andyrock, no suggestions, it looks great. I was curious if lenses not supposed to be visible would show up here, but it handles them well.
[09:30] <andyrock> yeah, later we can do something like this
[09:30] <andyrock> Application Lense
[09:30] <andyrock> Files & Folder Lens
[09:30] <andyrock> ...
[09:31] <andyrock> *Lens
[17:11] <om26er> hyperair, andyrock is wondering if the patch in bug 888636 is for trunk or 4.0 ?
[17:11] <andyrock> hyperair, hi
[17:11] <hyperair> om26er: it's against oneiric's unity package, because i'm too lazy to build a newer one.
[17:11] <hyperair> andyrock: hi.
[17:12] <andyrock> hyperair, ok... but i don't think that this can be merged in unity 4.0
[17:13] <andyrock> hyperair, in unity trunk i can review and eventually approve it, but you should update it :)
[17:14] <hyperair> andyrock: mm it doesn't apply?
[17:15] <andyrock> no...
[17:15] <hyperair> i see.
[17:15]  * hyperair sighs.
[17:15]  * hyperair isn't really interested in bzr cloning..
[17:15] <andyrock> and yes, use bazaar please :)
[17:16] <hyperair> but but
[17:16] <hyperair> i really *hate* bzr.
[17:17] <andyrock> hyperair, git right? :)
[17:18] <hyperair> yes.
[17:18] <hyperair> it's easy enough when you have a an apt mirror really close by (within walking distance)
[17:18] <hyperair> and can apt-get source stuff
[17:18] <hyperair> and git import-dsc
[17:18] <hyperair> \o/
[17:18] <hyperair> not so fun when you need to clone lp:unity over a connection that consistently fails.
[17:19] <andyrock> oki oki
[17:20] <andyrock> push the new diff so...
[17:20] <andyrock> we'll do it for you
[17:24] <hyperair> hyperair@thinkpwn:~/src/unity% patch -i ~/src/debian/unity/unity/0001-Add-alt_tab_delay-option-to-configure-alt-tab-delay.patch -p1                                              [ 1:24AM]
[17:24] <hyperair> patching file plugins/unityshell/src/unityshell.cpp
[17:24] <hyperair> Hunk #1 succeeded at 256 (offset 3 lines).
[17:24] <hyperair> Hunk #2 succeeded at 2069 with fuzz 2 (offset 15 lines).
[17:24] <hyperair> patching file plugins/unityshell/unityshell.xml.in
[17:24] <hyperair> ...
[17:24] <hyperair> IT APPLIES DAMNIT.
[17:25] <hyperair> http://paste.debian.net/148619/
[17:25] <hyperair> there. new patch.
[17:25] <hyperair> andyrock: ^
[17:29] <andyrock> hyperair, i'm sorry but in trunk it doesn't apply :)
[17:29] <hyperair> still?!
[17:30] <hyperair> andyrock: i just did that bzr diff from trunk!
[17:30] <hyperair> it's lp:unity right?
[17:30] <andyrock> hyperair, you should do switcher_controller_->
[17:30] <andyrock> not switcherController->
[17:31] <andyrock> try to build it, and you will get an error ;)
[17:31] <hyperair> ..that's very straneg
[17:31] <hyperair> i built it..
[17:31] <hyperair> oh.
[17:31] <hyperair> i built it on the *old* unity.
[17:31] <hyperair> i guess things changed since then
[17:31] <hyperair> well i'm not really interested in figuring out how to build unity from trunk, so could you just fix that up pretty please? :-)
[17:33] <andyrock> hyperair, ok... adding to my TODO list
[17:33] <andyrock> thanks
[17:34] <andyrock> :)
[17:34] <hyperair> it's just a one-liner change, isn't it?
[17:34] <hyperair> the one you mentioned..
[17:34] <andyrock> yeah...
[17:34] <andyrock> maybe the fixme
[17:34] <andyrock> in the description option
[17:34] <hyperair> afaik they're *all* fixmes
[17:34] <andyrock> but we can do it
[17:34] <andyrock> yeah but we don't want another fixme :)
[17:35]  * hyperair facepalms
[17:35] <hyperair> i was just trying to be standard.
[17:37] <hyperair> andyrock: https://paste.debian.net/148624/
[17:37] <hyperair> there you go.


[00:56]  * micahg has upload rights for xubuntu docs...
[00:56] <micahg> hrm? jbicha has upload rights for xubuntu docs also
[01:11] <micahg> ah, mdke was the one w/out upload rights for the docs
[01:12]  * micahg should get that fixed...
[01:22] <SkippersBoss> micahg, Is the oversized issue caused by both gtk2 and gtk3 libraries being used ??
[01:22] <SkippersBoss> just a question
[01:23] <micahg> SkippersBoss: gtk2/gtk3, python2/python3
[01:24] <SkippersBoss> Aaah
[01:24] <SkippersBoss> understood... will we go for gtk3 and pythin3 only for next release ??
[01:25] <SkippersBoss> euh 13.4
[01:25] <micahg> gtk3 if upstream does, we might go for python3 though
[01:26] <SkippersBoss> ah so we are bound by upstream here
[05:34] <elfy> knome - updated to new help docs - looks good :)
[10:11] <knome> micahg, now we're oversized with i386 :]
[10:12] <smartboyhw> bad.....
[10:12] <knome> looks like something gave us 1MB
[10:12] <knome> smartboyhw, no it's not, we have a plan for it
[10:12] <smartboyhw> :}
[10:20] <knome> micahg, mr_pouit: if either of you are around, can you drop gnome-sudoku from the seeds; i'll ask for a respin after that
[10:29] <smartboyhw> knome: I´m surprised that you started making r blueprints already:)
[10:30] <knome> smartboyhw, i did because i already know we need to work on those things
[10:30] <smartboyhw> :) Good work:)
[14:15] <micahg> knome: ok, I hope that will be enough :)
[14:42] <bluesabre> knome: Thanks for adding me to xubuntu-doc, and I feel sorry for how many emails you must get in a day
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Me too Thanks knome:)
[14:46]  * elfy got scared and refused to read the e-mail he got
[14:46] <smartboyhw> elfy: You are in:)
[14:46] <elfy> what?
[14:47] <smartboyhw> elfy: Read the lines 5-6 lines above
[14:48] <elfy> smartboyhw: I know ... I read the e-mail as well ;)
[14:49] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:49] <smartboyhw> elfy: Then what is the email you refuse to read!?
[14:49] <elfy> nvm
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Excuse me what does nvm mean?
[14:49] <elfy> nevermind
[14:50] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:51] <olbi> it is possible to update live cd before october start? I want to check my language translations in installer :D
[14:53] <smartboyhw> olbi: zsync the iso image
[14:53] <olbi> of course, I forgot it :D
[14:54] <smartboyhw> ;D
[15:11] <pnarciso> hello
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Hi pnarciso
[15:13] <micahg> knome: should I drop sudoku from both or just i386?
[15:14] <pnarciso> I'm disappointed that the latest daily build still won't install with custom partitions, ubiquity is seriously borked :(
[15:14] <micahg> pnarciso: is there a bug filed?
[15:14] <xnox> pnarciso: why not? it should? have you booted with `debug-ubiquity` and is there a bug?
[15:15] <pnarciso> installation hangs on region selection , it doesn't get past there, the problem is related to ubiquity and it's present in all ubuntu variations. I can only install using alternate install
[15:17] <ochosi> xnox: do you actually get highlighted when someone here says "ubiquity"? :)
[15:17] <xnox> ochosi: yes. ubiquity lvm btrfs raid mdadm e2fsprogs sabdfl xnox .....
[15:18] <pnarciso> this problem appeared after alpha3 and it wasn't fixed
[15:18] <xnox> everything "interesting"
[15:18] <ochosi> xnox: wow, that definitely sounds like it solves the problem of not getting highlighted often enough
[15:18] <xnox> pnarciso: but how did we release beta1 then?
[15:18] <xnox> ochosi: it's not that much highlights to be honest.
[15:18] <elfy> pnarciso: I've installed fine with custom partitions numerous times
[15:18] <pnarciso> good question
[15:19] <ochosi> xnox: oh, then maybe add "bug" to your highlight list ;)
[15:19] <pnarciso> The problem could be related to grub install
[15:19] <xnox> pnarciso: at boot press Esc -> select language -> F6 -> type `only-ubiquity debug-ubiquity` boot.
[15:19] <xnox> pnarciso: after it hangs switch to tty1 and do `ubuntu-bug ubiquity`
[15:19] <pnarciso> I don't install grub on mbr, but in the root partition, because I use easybcd instead
[15:20] <xnox> grub is borked on todays daily.
[15:20]  * xnox not sure if it was respun or not
[15:20] <elfy> pnarciso: someone was having issues with easybcd - they got a new one
[15:20] <pnarciso> the problem is not in easybcd
[15:21] <xnox> pnarciso: please file a bug as outlined above
[15:21] <pnarciso> installation hangs on region selection, It doesn't reach keyboard selection
[15:22] <pnarciso> but I can see the installation status bar moving, but I can't advance past there
[15:22] <pnarciso> I filed a bug when this issue first appeared, and it's not fixed yet, so It should be open
[15:22] <xnox> pnarciso: bug # ?
[15:23] <pnarciso> dunno must search :)
[15:30] <olbi> hmm, I installed 4 times from LiveCD and all was ok :)
[15:30] <olbi> with custom partitions
[15:31] <pnarciso> with grub in mbr?
[15:31] <olbi> i take deafult option, so it have to be in mbr
[15:32] <pnarciso> I don't install in mbr
[15:32] <pnarciso> that could be the issue
[15:32] <olbi> installation was done on VM and normal machines
[15:32] <olbi> maybe
[15:32] <olbi> I choose mbr allways
[15:32] <olbi> it's is saftly
[15:33] <pnarciso> I prefer to use easybcd and boot from windows boot loader
[15:33] <pnarciso> It's safer for me, because it's easier to uninstall linux without damaging the mbr
[15:36] <olbi> yes, it is :) that's why I allways install os's on different hdd
[15:39] <pnarciso> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1020992
[15:39] <olbi> yay, on todays LiveCD there is sound icon in indicator :D
[15:39] <pnarciso> dunno if this is the same bug, but the symptoms are the same
[15:41] <pnarciso> it's a shame messaging indicator could not make it
[15:56] <pnarciso> here's another report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1039446
[16:06] <micahg> does anyone have today's ISO locally that can give me an exact size?
[16:07] <elfy> micahg: if no-one has I can zsync them and see
[16:10] <micahg> elfy: if you could, please, I'm trying to figure out if dropping sudoku is enough
[16:10] <elfy> okey doke
[16:12] <pleia2> -rw------- 1 elizabeth elizabeth 732954624 Sep 20  2012 quantal-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:12] <pleia2> -rw------- 1 elizabeth elizabeth 738504704 Sep 20  2012 quantal-desktop-i386.iso
[16:13] <elfy> or not then :)
[16:22] <micahg> pleia2: thanks!
[16:23] <micahg> so, we need another ~450k
[16:25] <genii-around> Man. That's so tight.
[16:26] <SkippersBoss> 0n 64 ?
[16:36] <micahg> no, i386
[16:39] <pleia2> I haven't tested in a while, black on black and grey traces are gone :)
[16:40] <ochosi> pleia2: you mean in ubiquity?
[16:40] <pleia2> yep
[16:40] <ochosi> yup, my tiny patch was merged
[16:40] <pleia2> thanks ochosi :)
[16:40]  * micahg is dropping aisleriot (2MB) and keeping sudoku (850k)
[16:41] <ochosi> farewell aisleriot... we had fun times
[16:41] <micahg> ochosi: it's still in the archive :)
[16:41] <ochosi> micahg: yeh, i know, just trying to make your job more fun ;)
[16:44] <ochosi> bbl
[16:55] <micahg> mr_pouit: knome: meta uploaded with aisleriot removed
[16:56] <micahg> knome: I discovered aisleriot brought in the cards which was over 1MB by itself, so it made more sense to drop that
[17:43] <knome> micahg, ok
[18:01] <pleia2> knome: case badges are $1/ea when buying 100 ($1.45/ea for 50)
[18:01] <pleia2> placing an order for 100
[18:01] <knome> ok
[18:01] <knome> i can pay for some of them, if you bring them to uds
[18:01] <knome> also, do you have more stickers?
[18:01] <pleia2> will do
[18:02] <pleia2> yep, have more stickers
[18:02] <knome> how much were those per sheet?
[18:03] <pleia2> 104       Round Stickers                              $20.98
[18:03] <knome> ooh
[18:03] <knome> how many do you have? :P
[18:04] <pleia2> plus $5 shipping
[18:04] <knome> oh right
[18:04] <pleia2> looks like 70 or so
[18:04] <knome> you going to order more stickers before UDS?
[18:04] <pleia2> doubtful
[18:04] <knome> mmh
[18:04] <pleia2> case badges are a "I shouldn't spend this money" item at the moment
[18:04] <knome> is the shipping the same to finland?
[18:04] <knome> lol
[18:05] <pleia2> don't know, I order from their US outlet at moo.com, they also have moo.co.uk
[18:05] <pleia2> so mine ship from the US
[18:05] <knome> i can buy case badges for $30 worth from you
[18:06] <pleia2> ok
[18:06] <knome> well if you order stickers, i can buy that 104 pieces too :P
[18:07] <knome> but if you'd only order that one batch, no need
[18:07] <pleia2> yeah I'm not planning on other moo orders right now
[18:07] <knome> yeah
[18:07] <knome> i can probably buy more of the case stickers actually
[18:07] <knome> i'll get back to you next week.
[18:07] <pleia2> ok
[18:33] <knome> micahg, mr_pouit?
[19:02] <micahg> knome: yes?
[19:03] <ochosi> micahg: he went away a few mins ago
[19:03] <ochosi> but i can tell you what he wanted
[19:03] <ochosi> thing is that it seems the xubuntu-artwork package hasn't been updated for beta2 yet
[19:04] <ochosi> actually all themes would need a new upload, and elementary-xfce icon theme
[19:05] <ochosi> micahg: so the question is whether you could do the upload in case mr_pouit doesn't return in time?
[19:05] <micahg> if it's in the branch, I can upload it, but I'm unfamiliar with how the packaging is done
[19:05] <ochosi> usually he grabbed the tarballs from github
[19:05] <ochosi> i use tags to do releases
[19:06] <ochosi> so he usually grabs the latest tag from git master
[19:06] <ochosi> i don't think the updates are in the branch yet
[19:13] <ochosi> bbiab
[21:37] <pleia2> case badges ordered (I had to call and make a payment over the phone, it was like 1995!)
[21:38] <ochosi> hehe
[21:39] <ochosi> looking forward to seeing them
[21:40] <pleia2> they said they should ship out some time early next week :)
[21:40] <ochosi> cool
[22:50] <xubuntu_quantal_> When multiple workspaces are present, dragging a window against the side borders will move the window into an adjacent workspace.  When a single workspace is enabled, dragging the window against the side borders will snap the window to the side, sometimes called the "aero snap".
[22:51] <xubuntu_quantal_> 1) To me, this is a bug. Very different functionality based on a subtle difference. 2) The aerosnap function is more useful, therefore, how can I force that functionality? Where do I set that?
[22:59] <xubuntu_quantal_> BAM! Settings > Window Manager > Advanced: Uncheck "Wrap Workspace when dragging window off screen", which overrides "Snap Window to screen border".
[22:59] <xubuntu_quantal_> weird. Still not totally appropriate, but w/e
[23:00] <xubuntu_quantal_> Second, there is a bug I'd like to help investigate; When I try transfering files through Samba, the file transfer freezes and I can't cancel the operation.
[23:00] <xubuntu_quantal_> Working in precise last night, broken in Quantal today. What package would that be on the client side?
[23:17] <xubuntu_quantal_> Cool


[11:10] <oerheks> i/clear
[13:42] <VIA> hi all
[13:43] <VIA> thers a wierd glitch /fvkd up noises occasionally when 3 browser (iI think that was most xases, at least 2)
[13:43] <VIA> are open ( only yt / or spotify on firefox plas audio,
[13:43] <VIA> so firefox Brave and Chromium,
[13:44] <VIA> but not simultanously putting oudio out at all or eften after (off) then play sound on whatever
[13:44] <VIA> affects anythign and all audio efery software
[13:45] <VIA> no fix except retart session/lock out
[13:45] <VIA> 2-3 times i found a way out of thiss mess only, analysis+coincidence, steam might be involved as well
[13:46] <VIA> i see it now starting even that option was never set, i do not autostart steam, nada
[16:25] <moi-jeux[m]> Hello, I installed US 22.10 on my laptop and I must say that it is really very good. However, OBS studio does not work. When you click on the icon, the software does not open. I reinstalled the latest version to see, but nothing helped.
[16:32] <arraybolt3[m]> moi-jeux: Can you try opening a terminal (Konsole), and then running `obs-studio`, and see what happens?
[16:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (I might have the command wrong, so if it tells you "command not found", try `ls /bin/obs*` to find out the binary name.)
[16:39] <moi-jeux[m]> Found portal inhibitor... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6a349f3107466cc957d8fc101338865ed8d4597a>)
[17:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> moi-jeux: Where did you get that version of obs-studio? We don't carry that version in the repositories.
[17:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> !latest
[17:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> FWIW, I use the version in the repositories almost daily, so I know for a fact that it works. Something might be up with your configuration.
[17:54] <moi-jeux[m]> it's the version of the origine with ubuntustudio
[17:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> > info: OBS 28.1.2 (linux)
[17:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> We don't carry that version.
[17:55] <Eickmeyer[m]>  * > info: OBS 28.1.2 (linux)
[17:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> We don't carry that version.
[17:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> !info obs-studio kinetic
[17:57] <moi-jeux[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: ha yes... i download this after the failure of the origine version...
[17:58] <moi-jeux[m]> But the version of ubuntustudio don't work on my computer
[17:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, we need to see the output of the version we carry, not the verison you installed. The output is likely to be different.
[18:02] <moi-jeux[m]> The last version was uninstall.
[18:03] <moi-jeux[m]>  and Muon offers the version 28.1.2
[18:06] <moi-jeux[m]> ok I'm giving up for the instant, i must to work, iI'm going to go back to windows for that...
[18:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Muon is likely offering it from a PPA or snap.


[18:56] <teruelolf> Hola.
[19:04] <teruelolf_> Buenas.
[19:05] <marius_> hu
[19:06] <sergiusens> hello from Argentina :-)
[19:08] <teruelolf_> Hello.
[19:09] <Kashtan> Hi.
[19:10] <openlydeveloped> Hello all (^_^)
[19:10] <kyrofa> Hey there! Welcome :)
[19:12] <casmajavi> Hello.
[19:21] <elacheche> o/
[19:24] <kenvandine> hello everyone
[19:24] <casmajavi> hi
[19:24] <elacheche> We used to meet @ubuntu-tn too :/ But, not anymore :/
[19:24] <elacheche> Hey folks
[19:24] <casmajavi> This is my first time here.
[19:25] <wxl> i can't believe how many people are on the hangout
[19:26] <casmajavi> Why, too much or just a few?
[19:26] <elacheche> We will have a Software Freedom Day in 20 days, and we'll try to host a release party :)
[19:26] <kyrofa> elacheche, awesome!
[19:27] <casmajavi> elacheche, cool.
[19:28] <elacheche> Besides some other workshops, last year we had 3 workshops (Docker, Linux Kernel Dev & Lua Gaming Dev) from Ubuntu Tunisia members.. I hope that this year we'll be able to do the same or better :)
[19:29] <casmajavi> Someone here is from Costa Rica?
[19:30] <kyrofa> casmajavi, several people!
[19:30] <casmajavi> Nice.
[19:32] <elacheche> Hello Costa Rica  folks!
[19:32] <casmajavi> :-) Where are you from elacheche?
[19:33] <casmajavi> Sorry, you already tell us.
[19:33] <elacheche> :D
[19:33] <casmajavi> Sorry about my english. :-(
[19:35] <elacheche> No problem! Mine is not perfect too x)
[19:37] <tsimonq2> Hey :)
[19:37] <tsimonq2> I don't have a working camera/mic unfortunately, trying to find one...


[12:10] <pygi> what HedgeMage ?? :P
[12:10] <HedgeMage> lol
[12:10] <pygi> just you laugh
[12:43] <shawarma> @schedule copenhagen
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu
[03:47] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 06 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu
[04:05] <jsgotangco> whats with these crazy scheds in my timezone =)
[04:21] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu
[04:21] <GNAM> wow ubuntu develpment team
[04:35] <neuralis> @schedule Boston
[04:35] <neuralis> @schedule New_York
[04:35] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 06 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 09:00: Kubuntu
[04:50] <robitaille> @topic
[08:59] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 23:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team
[09:00] <pygi> sivang, ou are here?
[09:00] <pygi> you*
[09:04] <Lure> @schedule Ljubljana
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team
[09:05] <DonLorenzo> HedgeMage will be joining the meeting in a few minutes. She wishes to express her apology for not being on time.
[09:12] <RobinShepheard> pygi, should we be making a start as we only have 45 mins until the next meeting
[09:13] <pygi> RobinShepheard, let's wait for Hedge
[09:13] <RobinShepheard> ok
[09:13] <jjesse_> @schedule detroit
[09:13] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team
[09:14] <DonLorenzo> pygi, HedgeMage may be several minutes. ... I talked to her via cell phone when I posted before. She suggested you start without her.
[09:16] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 15:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 14:00: Marketing Team
[09:21] <sladen> @schedule Europe/London
[09:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 21:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 20:00: Marketing Team
[09:22] <pygi> ok, so considering Susan isn't here let's continue...
[09:22] <pygi> who is here for the meeting?
[09:23] <RobinShepheard> me
[09:23] <joycejjj> I'm a token educator - Susan asked me to join you.
[09:25] <LaserJock> I'm kinda around
[09:25] <RobinShepheard> pygi, this meeting doesn't look so popular as normal
[09:26] <pygi> RobinShepheard, seems like two or three people will be working on cookbook once again (same happened with dapper)
[09:26] <RobinShepheard> well I am willing to lend a hand a do my bit
[09:26] <dholbach> @schedule berlin
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team
[09:27] <RobinShepheard> so what is the plan of action then??
[09:27] <RobinShepheard> I noticed that the wiki page for the meeting had not been updated to list the meeting
[09:27] <pygi> RobinShepheard, plan of action is likely that me and Susan will make final decision on name and chapters probably
[09:28] <RobinShepheard> as in today??
[09:28] <pygi> as in "probably not today"
[09:29] <RobinShepheard> lol
[09:32] <RobinShepheard> pygi, how are you going to organise the templates for the docbook format or are we going to submit plain text and then markup later
[09:40] <HedgeMage> Hey, folks
[09:40] <RobinShepheard> hiya HedgeMage
[09:40] <HedgeMage> A thousand apologies for my tardiness, we had a family quasi-emergency
[09:41] <HedgeMage> Where are we?
[09:41] <Amaranth> oh, i stumbled into another meeting
[09:41] <RobinShepheard> we aren't really at the mo
[09:41] <HedgeMage> Hi Amaranth :)
[09:41] <Amaranth> hi
[09:41] <RobinShepheard> nothing has happened as yet
[09:41] <HedgeMage> Who all is here?
[09:41] <Amaranth> next meeting is in 20 minutes, might want to hurry :)
[09:42] <joycejjj> <-----awake
[09:42] <HedgeMage> Well, our first order of business was to be a vote on the new name for cookbook
[09:43] <HedgeMage> suggestions from last meeting were "The Edubuntu Handbook" "The Edubuntu Guide"  "Edubuntu Guidebook" and "Edubuntu for Beginners"
[09:43] <HedgeMage> please give other suggestions now if you have them, when that's done we'll take comments, then vote
[09:43] <Amaranth> Edubuntu Handbook sounds nice
[09:43] <ogra> The Edubuntu Book ?
[09:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:43] <RobinShepheard> HedgeMage, how about edubuntu for everyone
[09:44] <LaserJock> hmm, that sounds good too
[09:44] <Amaranth> Don't want to make it sound like a beginner thing.
[09:44] <RobinShepheard> edubuntu made easy is proabaly not possible as there is a range of made easy books
[09:44] <Amaranth> It's for beginners but useful as a reference too, right?
[09:44] <HedgeMage> right, same reason we struck "The Ultimate Guide to Edubuntu"
[09:45] <ogra> Edubuntu Bible :P
[09:45] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:45] <RobinShepheard> Amaranth, but you need to make it approachable for beginners as well
[09:45] <Amaranth> RobinShepheard: Edubuntu Handbook does that too, I think.
[09:45] <RobinShepheard> true
[09:45] <RobinShepheard> no arguments about that
[09:46] <pygi> +1 for Edubuntu handbook
[09:46] <RobinShepheard> another +1 for Edubuntu Handbook
[09:46] <pygi> Amaranth, LaserJock , ogra ?
[09:47] <Amaranth> I believe I already voted. ;)
[09:47] <HedgeMage> What about "Computing With Edubuntu" or something like that... hrm doesn't have the best ring to it I guess
[09:47] <RobinShepheard> handbook does sound professional
[09:47] <pygi> Amaranth, do +1 or -1 :P
[09:47] <Amaranth> yeah, i didn't write any of it
[09:47] <pygi> ogra, still, vote pls :)
[09:47] <DonLorenzo> to be a bit pedantic, "Edubuntu User Guide and Reference"
[09:47] <HedgeMage> ogra: you can vote, if you're interested :)
[09:47] <ogra> +1 then
[09:47] <LaserJock> I like Handbook as well
[09:47] <Amaranth> +1 for Edubntu Handbook, then
[09:47] <RobinShepheard> DonLorenzo, a bit of a mouthful
[09:47] <pygi> HedgeMage, that's +4 on Handbook
[09:47] <pygi> that's fine
[09:47] <HedgeMage> Okay, it looks like "The Edubuntu Handbook" it is :)
[09:48] <Amaranth> -The :)
[09:48] <HedgeMage> "Edubuntu Handbook" :)
[09:48] <HedgeMage> okay
[09:48] <RobinShepheard> cool
[09:48] <HedgeMage> next item of business:
[09:48] <Amaranth> cool
[09:48] <HedgeMage> Divvying up chapters to work on
[09:49] <RobinShepheard> I am quite happy to work on install of workstation
[09:49] <HedgeMage> Everyone please reference https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/EdgyOutline  Which has the chapter list for this edition
[09:50] <Amaranth> 10 minutes
[09:51] <mdz> are you folks almost finished here?  we need this channel for the dev team meeting shortly
[09:51] <HedgeMage> I'm asking that no one sign up for more than 3 chapters at first... you can take more when the first batch are done
[09:51] <HedgeMage> mdz: almost, we'll be out of your hair in time :)
[09:51] <RobinShepheard> I am happy to do the standalone and maybe the basic netwoking
[09:51] <HedgeMage> The sign-up sheet will be at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/EdgyTasks in about five minutes
[09:52] <HedgeMage> We're working in docbook, but if you are not comfortable with it, feel free to save in .rtf or .odt or plaintext and one of the editors will change to docbook for you
[09:52] <pygi> mdz, will do, we'll try to move somewhere else
[09:53] <HedgeMage> Please email submissions to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with "Handbook" in the title somewhere so that I can get them committed to the svn doc repo... this is a temporary arrangement while we get some commit privs worked out
[09:53] <HedgeMage> This is a good time for questions since I know I've gone quickly :)
[09:55] <RobinShepheard> HedgeMage, what about templates or fonts for use in docs
[09:55] <HedgeMage> I'm adjourning to #edubuntu if there's anything further grab me there
[09:55] <sladen> 5 minutes, can the Edubuntu people wind up please
[09:55] <RobinShepheard> see you in edubuntu then
[09:55] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: docbook is styled after the fact so don't worry about fonts... I'll put a sample chapter template together if that will be helpful
[09:55] <pitti> hi
[09:56] <HedgeMage> By guys
[09:57] <sfllaw> @schedule Montreal
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team
[09:57] <pitti> hey sfllaw
[09:59] <mdz> everyone here?
[10:00] <dholbach> yes
[10:00] <sivang> me here, but still drafting system-clean-up-tool
[10:00] <sfllaw> Well, I am.
[10:00] <mdz> Kamion and doko are excused, infinity I believe is still on holiday
[10:00] <dholbach> mvo is on holiday too
[10:00] <Riddell> hi
[10:00] <iwj> I'm here.
[10:00] <rodarvus> I'm here
[10:00] <dholbach> doko wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him *shrug*
[10:01] <mdz> fabbione,Mithrandir,BenC,ogra: ping
[10:01] <mdz> ah, I see fabbione and heno now
[10:01] <fabbione> :)
[10:01] <BenC> mdz: pong
[10:01] <ogra> pong
[10:02] <mdz> anyone seen Mithrandir?
[10:02] <GNAM> hi algor, manichinos
[10:02] <fabbione> i am texting him
[10:02] <manichinos> hi :-D
[10:02] <mdz> dholbach: doko said he would email an update but I didn't receive one; did he send it to you instead?
[10:03] <mdz> oh, I found it
[10:03] <dholbach> mdz: no, as i said he wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him
[10:03] <fabbione> mdz: Mith is on his way here
[10:04] <mdz> ok
[10:04] <mdz> we're going in random order for extra excitement
[10:04] <mdz> Keybuk: you're first
[10:05] <Keybuk> mdz: I don't have a pre-pasted plan, because I wasn't sure what we're supposed to actually be saying
[10:05] <Keybuk> this-week: merges, driving soyuz by hand, buildd stuff
[10:05] <mdz> Keybuk: I explained in the email what was expected; the usual status update + spec status
[10:06] <mdz> Keybuk: you have 5 specs approved and targeted for edgy; are there any more pending?
[10:06] <Keybuk> mdz: but we're not supposed to be doing spec work this week, no? :)
[10:06] <Keybuk> mdz: nope, that's the set
[10:07] <mdz> Keybuk: hmm?
[10:07] <mdz> today was the deadline for getting specs approved for edgy, so it's a good time to review where they stand
[10:07] <mdz> Keybuk: in the past week you made MOM a lot better :-P
[10:08] <mdz> Keybuk: is the implementation status up to date on all of your specs?
[10:08] <Keybuk> mdz: yes, the implementation status is up to date
[10:08] <mdz> ok, thanks
[10:08] <Keybuk> dash-as-bin-sh is implemented
[10:08] <Keybuk> the others are either unstarted or started
[10:08] <mdz> seb128: next
[10:09] <seb128> This week:
[10:09] <seb128> - mails catching up
[10:09] <seb128> - started bugs catching up
[10:09] <seb128> - GTK 2.10, work on GNOME 2.15.3
[10:09] <seb128> - syncs from Debian
[10:09] <seb128> .
[10:09] <seb128> Next week:
[10:09] <seb128> - keep catching up on bugs and syncs from Debian
[10:09] <seb128> - GNOME 2.15.4
[10:09] <mdz> seb128: how are you doing on the merge?
[10:09] <seb128> pretty good, GNOME merges should be done for 2.15.4 next week
[10:10] <mdz> ok, great
[10:10] <mdz> we're doing very well on merge progress
[10:10] <seb128> :)
[10:10] <mdz> if we maintain a good pace, we should meet our target next week
[10:10] <seb128> cool
[10:10] <mdz> only 166 to go
[10:10] <mdz> 165
[10:10] <fabbione> mdz: the MoM doesn't show X
[10:10] <ogra> just to mention thats a lot of Keybuks fault :)
[10:10] <fabbione> add another 90 or so :)
[10:10] <ogra> (that we are this fast)
[10:10] <pitti> fabbione: main-manual.html
[10:11] <mdz> fabbione: because it's a mess with mismatched  .origs?
[10:11] <ogra> new mom is awesome
[10:11] <mdz> yes, well done Keybuk
[10:11] <fabbione> mdz: it's a mess. <- full stop :)
[10:11] <fabbione> pitti: not all of them show up there either
[10:11] <mdz> thanks seb128
[10:11] <mdz> Colin is next, he emailed an update
[10:11] <mdz> seed-cleanup: Implemented. (People responsible for Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu seeds still need to merge the seed changes, which will probably be complicated; contact me if there are things you don't understand there.)
[10:11] <mdz> ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Approved.
[10:11] <mdz> misc: All other specs approved. Merges going fairly well (have been helping out a bit with the X merge). Also in the middle of an oem-config reorganisation which is a prerequisite for (a) my sanity and (b) part of a Google Summer of Code project.
[10:11] <mdz> next-week: Finish merges and oem-config reorganisation. Get the installer (at least d-i, and with any luck Ubiquity too) working in Edgy.
[10:12] <Keybuk> mdz: it's because the source packages first appeared in Debian, and when they appeared in Ubuntu, they had higher version numbers -- so there's no base for the merge
[10:12] <mdz> Riddell,ogra,janimo: note the seed-cleanup bit above
[10:12] <ogra> yep
[10:12] <ogra> i have it in my list for next week already
[10:12] <mdz> ok
[10:12] <mdz> Riddell: ack?
[10:13] <Riddell> yep
[10:13] <mdz> thanks
[10:13] <mdz> rodarvus: next?
[10:13] <rodarvus> sure
[10:13] <rodarvus> * specs:
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - fully-automatic-swap-server is approved
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - ltsp-login-and-session-handling and edubuntu-xfce-desktop are under review (that will hopefully change very soon now)
[10:13] <rodarvus> * past week work:
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - corrections/updates/clarifications to specs above
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - Merges: getting up to speed with Ubuntu X packaging, X merges/sync (many many thanks to fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion)
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - Edubuntu: EC meeting, new artwork lead was chosen (AliasVegas)
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - OLPC: catching up with development, mailing lists and code + received confirmation of developer board
[10:13] <rodarvus> * next week:
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - continue X merges/syncs (fabbione has status page at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs)
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - hopefully merge/sync other unrelated/unclaimed bits
[10:13] <mdz> rodarvus: I'll help you with those two specs today; what time do you leave/sleep?
[10:14] <rodarvus> I'll sleep in 7-8 hours from now
[10:14] <rodarvus> so, plenty of time
[10:14] <mdz> ok, I'll have about 4 hours after the meeting before I need to go
[10:15] <mdz> rodarvus: are there any specs other than those three which are potential targets for you for edgy?
[10:15] <rodarvus> I'd also like to thank fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion for all the help with X merging
[10:15] <rodarvus> I think I'm finally catching up to speed with it
[10:15] <rodarvus> mdz, no
[10:16] <mdz> rodarvus: that should leave you some time for X ;-)
[10:16] <pitti> rodarvus: do you think you can put mesa on your list, too? it's currently 'my' merge, but I have no clue about it
[10:16] <rodarvus> there's stuff (LTSP related) I'd like to do, but they weren't specced before UDS (well, I joined one week before UDS :) )
[10:16] <rodarvus> pitti, sure, I'll take it
[10:16] <mdz> ok
[10:16] <mdz> thanks rodarvus
[10:16] <mdz> doko is next, he emailed an update
[10:16] <mdz> it's long
[10:16] <mdz> status this week:
[10:16] <mdz> - OOo: 2.0.3 build, 2.0.2 security fixes for dapper and breezy (need building and testing)
[10:16] <mdz> - syncs: about 130 python syncs from unstable, all other syncs for main with me as uploader done
[10:16] <mdz> - specs: update specs, new python2.5 spec.
[10:16] <mdz> - SoC: a bit admin stuff
[10:16] <mdz> next week:
[10:16] <mdz> - more python syncs, check for build failures in synced packages
[10:16] <mdz> - finish packaging hints, we need it now.
[10:16] <mdz> edgy-toolchain status:
[10:16] <mdz> - required topics mostly done, the remaining topics are marked as optional, and may move to edgy+1-toolchain roadmap
[10:16] <mdz> edgyplusone-toolchain status:
[10:16] <mdz> - spec not yet approved
[10:16] <mdz> - we currently lack a possibility to upload packages to a common area, currently testing is done with gcc-snapshot for bugs/compatibility; gcc-4.2 packages would overwrite the 4.1 based packages in edgy.
[10:17] <mdz> - need to know when a prototype of the automatic-rebuild spec will be available,
[10:17] <mdz> I hadn't seen python2.5; I'll target and prioritize
[10:17] <mdz> Kamion approved it already
[10:18] <mdz> hmm, it needs clarification though
[10:18] <mdz> I'll talk with doko about it tomorrow
[10:18] <mdz> edgplusone-toolchain is approved now, since he sent that email
[10:18] <mdz> and targeted for edgy
[10:18] <mdz> heno: next
[10:19] <heno>  * Approved this week: sudo-admin-atspi, sok, livecd-access, edgy-content, xubuntu-accessibility
[10:19] <heno>  * Implemented this week: access-ubuntu-com at http://access.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <heno>  * sok: Made two new keyboard layouts and did testing. The basic keyboard now works nicely IMO. At some point I should speak with those who know about non-latin input and the xkb system.
[10:19] <heno>  * forum-integration: talking with the forum team about a new theme that matches our main site better, including using the same tabs
[10:19] <heno>  * compiz-mag: Slow progress ATM. Will be targeted for edgy+1, though we may get something into universe for edgy.
[10:19] <heno>  * Other: helping newz2000 get started
[10:19] <heno>  * NEXT WEEK: more webmaster tutoring, try to get compiz-mag moving better forward, prepare live CD boot images and sounds
[10:19] <mdz> sok is also approved and edgy-targeted now
[10:19] <heno> yep, thanks
[10:19] <mdz> heno: forum-integration is set to informational; should it not be?
[10:20] <heno> yes it should. I guess I should mention that under 'other' if anything
[10:20] <heno> all the specs are marked and targeted correctly now AFAICS
[10:20] <mdz> ok, great
[10:21] <sivang> I lost net connection for some secs, back now
[10:21] <mdz> thanks heno
[10:21] <mdz> pitti: next
[10:21] <pitti> apt-get-debug-symbols:
[10:21] <pitti>  - pkg-create-dbgsym package is in edgy, announced it and called for testing
[10:21] <pitti>  - apart from bug fixes, this spec is done from my side, ball is in Soyuz field now
[10:21] <pitti> automated-problem-reports:
[10:21] <pitti>  - tried various methods of reducing the coredump with objcopy without perfect results so far; just bzip2'ing the dump gives drastic shrinkage, though, so I'll just start with that
[10:22] <pitti>  - plan for next week: write first version of backend (crash interception and report generation)
[10:22] <pitti> gcc-ssp: enabled in gcc since last Friday, no reported regressions so far; I set it to 'deployed' since not all packages have actually been rebuilt since then; nothing to do any more about this for now
[10:22] <pitti> auto-unmount-notifications:
[10:22] <pitti>  - not started yet; not intrusive, so I'll deal with it after I'm done with my archive-wide specs
[10:22] <pitti> non-spec work done this week:
[10:22] <pitti>  - merges: did all my merges except for mesa (beyond my abilities) and an updated cupsys merge (still to come, needs some serious thinking); also grabbed some merges from infinity, chmj, and a few others
[10:22] <pitti>  - google SoC mid-term review
[10:22] <pitti>  - couple of security updates
[10:22] <pitti>  - cups update for dapper
[10:22] <pitti>  - started gnutls12 -> 13 and libtasn1-2 -> 3 transitions; will finish that later since most of the transitions will be done through regular gnome and other uploads
[10:22] <pitti> plan for next week:
[10:22] <pitti>  - help out others with merges
[10:22] <pitti>  - catch up with bug mail
[10:22] <pitti>  - work on automated-problem-reports
[10:22] <pitti>  - some outstanding security updates
[10:23] <mdz> pitti: any edgyish specs which aren't approved yet?
[10:23] <pitti> oh, I forgot, my specs are in good shape
[10:23] <pitti> approval/edgy tag and time estimates are correct
[10:23] <pitti> s/correct/current/ for the estimates :)
[10:23] <mdz> and implementation status?
[10:24] <pitti> too
[10:24] <mdz> pitti: are the dapper printing updates already prepared?
[10:24] <Mithrandir> present now, sorry about forgetting about the meeting. :-/
[10:24] <pitti> mdz: yes, I'm waiting for your ack for the 1.2.2 bug fixes I added
[10:24] <pitti> mdz: well, cups is ready, ivoks is workign on gutenprint now
[10:24] <pitti> but that's independent
[10:25] <pitti> and we'll discuss hplip again
[10:25] <mdz> pitti: do I have an email about that?  Idon't see it
[10:26] <pitti> mdz: shall we ressign apt-get-debug-symbols to some soyuz guy now to reflect it better?
[10:26] <pitti> mdz: no, IRC ping, I can mail you if you want
[10:26] <pitti> mdz: I just pastebin'ed you a small list of changes
[10:26] <mdz> pitti: I'll care for apt-get-debug-symbols and soyuz, thanks
[10:26] <mdz> pitti: I missed that; please do email
[10:26] <pitti> will do
[10:27] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[10:27] <mdz> BenC: next
[10:27] <BenC> libata-for-all-disks: IN PROGRESS: Libata is in the kernel, and some modules are being built. However, they are currently blacklisted until we test them and get the UUID conversion done.
[10:27] <BenC> linux-kernel-crash-dump: IN PROGRESS: Starting integration of kdump/kexec into kernel. Hopefully will be available in stages over the next few kernel uploads.
[10:27] <BenC> cfq-by-default: DONE: 2.6.17-4.6 implements this feature now.
[10:27] <BenC> SPECS general: Status on all specs up-to-date
[10:27] <BenC> ABAT: Stalled on IBM's side. Waiting to see what progress they've made
[10:27] <BenC> Bugs: Steady flow, but manageable still.
[10:27] <BenC> General kernel status: So far 2.6.17 seems pretty stable for most ppl. There are a couple of major issues, but they are isolated, and should be easily reconciled. Linux-restricted-modules and linux-meta now reflect 2.6.17 as the default kernel in Edgy.
[10:28] <mdz> BenC: who's working on the probe-for-root bit?
[10:29] <BenC> wasn't aware of the spec
[10:29] <mdz> BenC: that's the name for the UUID mounting
[10:29] <fabbione> wasn't probe-for-root done dapper?
[10:29] <fabbione> in dapper
[10:29] <BenC> yeah, UUID is a bit different I think
[10:29] <mdz> fabbione: only for removable devices
[10:29] <fabbione> it was marked as implemented by i don't remember by who
[10:29] <Mithrandir> fabbione: it was, but the transition to put uuids in fstab isn't done.
[10:29] <mdz> we deferred the rest
[10:29] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ok
[10:30] <Mithrandir> I implemented the d-i bits, but it's explicitly only enabled for USB/firewire devices.
[10:30] <BenC> the UUID thing is spec'd out in libata-for-all-disks, since it was dependent on i
[10:30] <mdz> Mithrandir: will you enable it by default for edgy?
[10:30] <Mithrandir> mdz: I think that's in the spec, and it's a trivial change.  I can do it, sure.
[10:30] <mdz> ok
[10:31] <mdz> BenC: can you do the migration for upgrades?
[10:31] <mdz> or are you blocked on it?
[10:32] <BenC> I can do the migration, but I'd really like someone to code review it
[10:32] <mdz> Keybuk: can you assist with that?
[10:32] <BenC> could easily screw up some systems if we don't get it right the first time
[10:32] <Keybuk> mdz: libata?  I believe it's part-assigned to me -- especially themigration stuff
[10:32] <mdz> Keybuk: the migration specifically, yes
[10:32] <BenC> Keybuk was supposed to do migration, but really I can start on it if need be
[10:33] <mdz> so long as it's on someone's todo list
[10:33] <mdz> I'm happy
[10:33] <mdz> BenC: what's your plan for bugs regarding 2.6.15->2.6.17?
[10:33] <mdz> are you going to ask the reporters to reconfirm with 2.6.17?
[10:33] <mdz> that'd be a lot easier once we have a milestone, of course
[10:34] <BenC> over the next two weeks I'm going to push some bugs to target 2.6.17 so they can be verified in edgy
[10:34] <Mithrandir> mdz: knot-1 is planned in a week.  I wonder if we'll make it, but we have to start sometime..
[10:34] <mdz> [TXT]  edgy_probs.html         06-Jul-2006 20:44  160K
[10:34] <mdz> impressive
[10:35] <fabbione> all python and x-dev are basically uninstallable
[10:35] <mdz> python is upgradeable now though
[10:35] <fabbione> yeah probably
[10:35] <mdz> anyway, we'll see what happens next week
[10:35] <mdz> BenC: thanks
[10:35] <mdz> iwj: next
[10:35] <BenC> thanks as well
[10:35] <iwj> have been doing: merges, spec reviews etc.
[10:35] <iwj> firefox merge: still broken but I think I know what the problem is
[10:35] <iwj> merges: mine done except for firefox and apparently gs-gpl (which I thought I'd done but perhaps I didn't upload it)
[10:35] <iwj> automated-testing-deployment: now BLOCKED on xen-edgy
[10:35] <iwj> xen-edgy: some work done by Chuck Short aka zul on the kernel; nothing by me yet; I need to check on the current status
[10:35] <iwj> package-dependency-field-breaks: no further progress this week
[10:35] <iwj> suggest-packages-for-filetypes: mvo has done some minor changes and I need to pick it up
[10:35] <iwj> REQUEST: Merges become a lot easier if you make good patches and are sure to feed them upstream and/or to Debian.  Ideally, nearly every merge should be a sync, surely ?  When it's not we should consider whether to chase upstream and/or Debian again.
[10:36] <mdz> iwj: does the firefox merge include the human theme addition?
[10:36] <iwj> IMPORTANT: I propose that we move this meeting to 0700, 1500, 2300 UTC.  Thanks to the nine people who replied with info.  Sorry that first my mail to warthogs had various wrong dates and times.
[10:36] <iwj> No.
[10:36] <iwj> The theme is quite separate.
[10:36] <fabbione> iwj: ++ on the meeting.
[10:36] <iwj> That is, the theme is in a different package.
[10:36] <mdz> I acked your meeting times proposal; does anyone wish to object now?
[10:36] <mdz> iwj: I mean the change to use the theme by default
[10:36] <iwj> mdz: No, that's not in this one but the diff is trivial.
[10:36] <pitti> new time++
[10:37] <mdz> iwj: if it's trivial, please add it
[10:37] <iwj> I mean, _really trivial_.
[10:37] <BenC> meeting time ++
[10:37] <ogra> ++
[10:37] <iwj> mdz: I'll do it in two uploads just because I'm paranoid.
[10:37] <iwj> I want an easy-to-revert upload for it I think.
[10:37] <mdz> so long as it isn't delayed
[10:37] <iwj> But it won't take any actual time to do two rather than one.  My computer can grind for a bit.
[10:37] <mdz> ok
[10:37] <iwj> Noted.
[10:37] <mdz> sounds like the new meeting times are a hit, let's go ahead with it
[10:37] <iwj> Excellent.
[10:38] <mdz> iwj: please mail the Fridge folks and ask them to update the calendar accordinlgy
[10:38] <mdz> accordingly
[10:38] <iwj> mdz: Ack.
[10:38] <mdz> fridge-devel@lists I think
[10:38] <Keybuk> also we should set out the policy for the pre-meeting report paste
[10:38] <Amaranth> ouch, i can only make it to one of those meetings :/
[10:38] <sfllaw> iwj: When does this start to take effect?
[10:38] <Amaranth> oh well, i don't count
[10:38] <Keybuk> and indicate where those are to go
[10:38] <mdz> sfllaw: next week
[10:38] <iwj> Keybuk: We were expecting sfllaw to do that, weren't we ?
[10:38] <sfllaw> Indeed.
[10:38] <pitti> Keybuk: preferably on an ubuntu wiki page
[10:38] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: we also need somebody to whip the slackers.
[10:38] <fabbione> sfllaw: can we move that wiki thingy to the public wiki? or do we want to keep it internal?
[10:39] <sfllaw> Can we wait until it's my turn so we don't delay the meeting?
[10:39] <iwj> sfllaw: your turn> Good idea.
[10:39] <mdz> ok
[10:40] <mdz> iwj: any specs which ought to be targeted for edgy which aren't approved yet?
[10:40] <iwj> No.
[10:40] <mdz> ok
[10:40] <LaserJock> iwj: what do you want to do with developer-referenfce?
[10:40] <mdz> regarding feeding patches upstream, we have a plan for more automation there which is waiting for a new soyuz feature
[10:40] <iwj> LaserJock: I was going to do my other specs and then see if I had time for it.
[10:41] <iwj> mdz: Has this been discussed with Debian ?
[10:41] <mdz> iwj: yes
[10:41] <iwj> Excellent.
[10:41] <mdz> long thread on debian-devel
[10:41] <mdz> iwj: thanks
[10:41] <mdz> ogra: next
[10:41] <iwj> I must have missed it somehow.  Maybe it looked like a flamewar.
[10:41] <ogra> * last-week: started moving ltsp to a common buildsystem (autoconf/automake), shuffled ltsp branches around so we have the right structure now, merged: gartoon, fuse, iftraf, pwgen, rss-glx, tuxmath, tuxpaint, xscreensaver, did SoC mid term review
[10:41] <ogra> * outstanding merges: kdeedu (currently building the final package (since 1,5h, kudos to Riddell)), kino, nessus-plugins, xfonts-terminus (waiting for x to be ready for font merges)
[10:41] <ogra> * next-week: finishing merges, several meetings with the debian ltsp guys planned to finish the common buildsystem move before UVF, voip meeting with scott balneaves about packaging basics in monday, getting the edubuntu-seeds ready for the first milestone CD, grabbing orphaned merges, uploading the first version of willowng (the SoC work)
[10:41] <ogra> * specs:
[10:41] <ogra> - student-control-panel-completion: (Needs Review)
[10:41] <ogra> - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (not started yet, nedds more update for scott balneaves (planned, see above))
[10:41] <ogra> - ltsp-convergence: (common buildsystem started (see above))
[10:41] <ogra> - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (not started)
[10:41] <ogra> Hawkwind, strike kdeedu ... it just finished successfull :))
[10:42] <ogra> oh
[10:42] <ogra> s/Hawkwind/HA/
[10:42] <mdz> speaking of fonts, is someone on xfonts-utils?
[10:42] <fabbione> mdz: we need to finish the libs first
[10:42] <mdz> ok
[10:42] <ogra> yep, its on fabbiones list
[10:42] <mdz> ogra: how did the ltsp/bzr meeting go?
[10:42] <fabbione> mdz: and fonts need some special attention because Debian is using yet again another fonts path
[10:42] <mdz> fabbione: garrr
[10:43] <ogra> mdz, only partially ... long story, sbalneav was called away by his boss after 45mins
[10:43] <mdz> ogra: which specs should be targeted for edgy but are not yet approved+targeted?
[10:43] <ogra> student control panel
[10:44] <mdz> ok, I'll help with that today
[10:44] <mdz> is everything ok?
[10:44] <iwj> ogra: Sorry about that.  Maybe we should get someone else to review your specs.
[10:44] <ogra> on my side it is now, i've calmed down
[10:44] <iwj> Next time, I mean.
[10:45] <mdz> ok
[10:45] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[10:45] <mdz> Mithrandir: next
[10:45] <ogra> yes, probably ... but  i'm willing to try once again, we should overcome this ... arent we pofessionals ? ;)
[10:45] <Mithrandir> misc: merges, particularly the X merge.  Also been impersonating Adam and Charles for merging.  Also reviewed a couple of specs.  Also uploaded Opera to dapper-commercial
[10:45] <Mithrandir> sane-installer-keyboard: no progress, some loose discussion in #debian-boot about it
[10:45] <Mithrandir> live-cd-stacked-filesystems: no progress apart from being told about squashfs supporting those directly without unionfs and will look into that
[10:46] <Mithrandir> live-cd-write-as-you-go: blocked on packet-writing which I became aware of recently
[10:46] <Mithrandir> packet-writing: needs to be reviewed and fixed up for edgy ASAP.  I'll do this before going to bed
[10:46] <Mithrandir> livecd-sessions: no progress
[10:46] <mdz> ogra,iwj: let's talk about it after the meeting
[10:46] <Mithrandir> livec-cd-share-live-cd: bumped back to drafting, haven't had time to look at this.
[10:46] <Mithrandir> next week: more merges, get X into shape, get knot 1 out.
[10:46] <iwj> mdz: OK.
[10:46] <Mithrandir> I'll mail d-d-a about the knot-1 freeze.
[10:46] <Mithrandir> uh, u-d-a
[10:46] <mdz> heh
[10:46] <dholbach> Mithrandir: when do you think the freeze will be? roughly?
[10:46] <mdz> Mithrandir: anything pending on the spec approval+targeting front?
[10:47] <Mithrandir> mdz: I need to get the packet-writing approved as I said.  I'm tempted to postpone livec-cd-share-live-cd unless I can get it approved tomorrow.
[10:47] <Mithrandir> dholbach: well, I'd like it to happen on wednesday, but UVF is in exactly a week, so I need to do something clever.
[10:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: the other livecd features seem more interesting to me
[10:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: I'll go over packet-writing with you later tonight if you're around
[10:48] <Mithrandir> mdz: ogra and the ltsp people seem crazy about the share-live-cd one since it can be used for making a ltsp live cd.
[10:48] <Mithrandir> mdz: it's almost 2300 here, but I'll fix that up, so that'd be great.
[10:49] <mdz> Mithrandir: crazy enough to help with the spec or implementation? :-P
[10:49] <ogra> (it would enable edubuntu to ship on the desktop CD)
[10:49] <ogra> as a sideeffect
[10:50] <ogra> Mithrandir, how big is that ?
[10:50] <mdz> please discuss after the meeting, we're short on time
[10:50] <ogra> ok
[10:50] <Mithrandir> ogra: the spec is mostly minor stuff.  I have an idea how to do the implementation, but post-meeting.
[10:50] <mdz> Mithrandir: is opera ready to be added to app-install-data-commercial?  I don't remember seeing it there
[10:51] <Mithrandir> mdz: I think so.  I just uploaded it and haven't seen an ACCEPT message from the queue even, so I don't know where it sits.
[10:51] <mdz> ah, ok
[10:51] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[10:51] <mdz> dholbach: next
[10:51] <dholbach> specs approved: easier-motuing (no progress); automating-artwork (no progress - apart from what's mentioned in the spec already); galago-in-ubuntu (started, investigating ftbfs of one lib)
[10:51] <dholbach> spec which needs work: future-of-gst (conversations with carlos have happened during guadec, list of tasks identified, gst 2.15 uploaded, but not built yet (needed to indicate and demonstrate), spec needs to be finalized)
[10:51] <dholbach> this week: merges and updates of gnome (updates: 80% done, amount of merges good-looking), hell lot of bug triage, trying to be mvo as much I can, make my inbox love me again, SoC review (done)
[10:51] <dholbach> next week: gnome 2.15.4, bug triage, starting on easier-motuing, automating-artwork (and updates and splitting of the packages), trying to be mvo as much I can
[10:51] <dholbach> week after that: HUG DAY! sfllaw?
[10:52] <mdz> dholbach: we can talk about future-of-gst a bit later if you're here
[10:52] <mdz> otherwise maybe tomorrow
[10:52] <dholbach> tomorrow would be cool
[10:52] <mdz> the list of specs to drive last-minute today is getting long
[10:52] <dholbach> seb128: what do you think?
[10:53] <mdz> ok
[10:53] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[10:53] <dholbach> de rien
[10:53] <mdz> sfllaw: next
[10:53] <seb128> dholbach: tomorrow
[10:53] <sfllaw> Done: Bug triage, SoC mentoring, ubuntu-qa vetting, spec writing, scouting for new hires.
[10:53] <sfllaw> Todo: Bug triage, ubuntu-qa vetting, spec writing, SoC mentoring, test plans for edgy specs.
[10:53] <sfllaw> Specs:
[10:53] <sfllaw> - multi-machine-testing-infrastructure (Review)
[10:54] <sfllaw> - edgy-testing (drafting)
[10:54] <sfllaw> - drinking-from-the-firehose (drafting)
[10:54] <sfllaw> Also, I'd like some feedback on http://www.canonical.com/DistroTeamMeetings
[10:54] <sfllaw> .
[10:54] <sfllaw> STATISTICS
[10:54] <sfllaw> [10:54] <mdz> sfllaw: since you'll need to poke people to get those pastes anyway, could you take responsibility for announcing the meeting 24+hours prior as I did this week?
[10:54] <sfllaw> Since last week...
[10:54] <sfllaw> Unconfirmed and unassigned bugs of severity >= normal: 2284 -> 2760
[10:54] <sfllaw> Untriaged bugs: 723 -> 861
[10:54] <sfllaw> Needs Info bugs: 1753 -> 1794
[10:54] <sfllaw> Dapper bugs: 75 -> 74
[10:54] <sfllaw> Edgy bugs: 3 -> 4
[10:54] <sfllaw> Bugs without packages: 1502 -> 1533
[10:54] <sfllaw> iwj: Is it the 7h00 UTC meeting next week?
[10:54] <sfllaw> People have suggested that I move DistroTeamMeetings to the public wiki.
[10:54] <sfllaw> Uhm, OK.
[10:54] <iwj> sfllaw: Yes.
[10:54] <sfllaw> Yay.  It's a whole hour better than it was before.
[10:54] <sfllaw> :)
[10:55] <pitti> sfllaw: public++ (#u-m is public and publicly logged, too)
[10:55] <mdz> DistroTeamMeetings doesn't seem to exist
[10:55] <sivang> rigth
[10:55] <Keybuk> mdz: s/www/wiki/
[10:55] <sfllaw> Sorry.
[10:55] <mdz> ah
[10:55] <mdz> sfllaw: what's the plan for your specs?  you don't have anything targeted for edgy yet
[10:56] <mdz> drinking-from-the-firehose is informational, yes?
[10:56] <sfllaw> Edgy-testing is targetted for Edgy.  As is drinking-from-the-firehose.
[10:56] <mdz> neither is on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+specs
[10:56] <sfllaw> :(
[10:56] <mdz> we're only targeting specs once they're approved
[10:57] <mdz> edgy-testing is marked informational as well
[10:57] <mdz> though there is indirect work associated with it
[10:57] <mdz> let's discuss after the meeting what to do
[10:57] <sfllaw> OK.
[10:57] <mdz> thanks
[10:57] <mdz> Riddell: next
[10:57] <Riddell> done: merges, Kubuntu packages in main should be done by tomorrow although some poking of buildds will be needed and some main inclusion reports todo.  universe also progressing well thanks to MOTU
[10:57] <Riddell> next week: kubuntu-launchpad-integration and if time kubuntu-easy-zeroconf.  Knot 1?
[10:57] <Riddell> specs: all approved except kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue (not too important), thanks reviewers
[10:58] <iwj> Are we running very late ?  It's difficult to tell in random order ...
[10:58] <mdz> iwj: almost done
[10:58] <mdz> fabbione and sivang
[10:59] <mdz> Riddell: are you going to try to get k-f-t-d through or defer it?  you have a bunch of stuff already, though some of it may not be for you personally
[10:59] <mdz> Riddell: e.g., isn't mornfall implementing the adept stuff?
[10:59] <Riddell> mdz: kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue should be close to though, kamion only had a small comment for it
[11:00] <Riddell> yes, the adept ones should be assigned to mornfall (although he's not decided if he'll do it as a bounty yet)
[11:00] <Riddell> I don't expect to have time for kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue
[11:00] <mdz> Riddell: ok, please reassign them as appropriate so it's clear who's doing what
[11:00] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[11:00] <mdz> fabbione: next
[11:00] <Riddell> also kwwii says he's unlikely to get kubuntu-icons done for edgy
[11:00] <fabbione> * specs: ubuntu-edgy-cluster and sparc64-port have been approved. Got a thumb up from silbs on the internal spec that is waiting for mdz and/or sabdfl for distro/lp allocation. no other specs are in queue for edgy.
[11:00] <fabbione> * sparc64-port: My t2000 is temporary busy running the hw certification software for Marc.
[11:00] <fabbione> * ubuntu-edgy-cluster: Working on GFS2 userland new deps (openais) and coordinating with upstream for a release date. Addressing some 32/64/endianess problems and getting all our patches upstream to reduce the maintainance load (5/8 are up already). No changes from last week.
[11:00] <fabbione> * last week: completed gcc bug fixing/testing in edgy (sparc), completed the sparc64-port and ubuntu-edgy-cluster specs, done libparted check on sparc for Kamion with no real luck, dovecot regression from breezy to dapper has been addressed to upstream that is working on a solution, basically done all my merges and helping out with X merges. Some minimal mentoring to Rodrigo that's moving his first steps really really fast.
[11:01] <fabbione> * next week: complete the merges, start working full steam on the other specs, whatever is needed (!= X).
[11:01] <mdz> fabbione: how long before you disappear?
[11:01] <fabbione> mdz: -ENOCLUE
[11:01] <mdz> but soon, no?
[11:02] <fabbione> mdz: i did ask my wife for an ETA on delivery but she gave me a finger.. not a nice one :)
[11:02] <mdz> heh
[11:02] <fabbione> mdz: yes pretty soon
[11:02] <sivang> hehe
[11:02] <mdz> fabbione: dovecot -> dapper-updates?
[11:02] <pitti> fabbione: *crossing fingers*, all the best
[11:02] <Keybuk> fabbione: can she not cross her legs until UVF? :p
[11:02] <sivang> fabbione: first child ?
[11:02] <fabbione> mdz: yes. but we need the fix first for dovecot
[11:02] <mdz> ok
[11:02] <fabbione> pitti: thanks :)
[11:02] <mdz> thanks fabbione
[11:03] <fabbione> Keybuk: ahhaha
[11:03] <mdz> sivang?
[11:03] <fabbione> sivang: yeps
[11:03] <sivang> mdz: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/make-free-space-wizard might need some more edits before approval, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/home-user-backup seems ready to be approved. Ideally both of them should be targetted for edgy, however if I'm doing system clean up tool alone I'd need some help on some of the implementation.
[11:03] <mdz> make-free-space-wizard still needs some work I think; I'll look at it today if I have some time
[11:04] <sivang> basically that's is. I've started tackeling the merge thing this week, however so far only done bitorando and sponsered by slomo_ , might do more in the coming week.
[11:04] <mdz> home-user-backup should be ready for approval if my comment was addressed
[11:04] <mdz> sivang: thanks
[11:04] <sivang> mdz: I believe they were all addressed.
[11:04] <mdz> any other very quick business?
[11:04] <mdz> did I miss anyone in the randomness?
[11:04] <fabbione> sfllaw: moving the stuff from internal to external wiki?
[11:05] <fabbione> there was only one vote from pitti
[11:05] <rodarvus> +1
[11:05] <fabbione> but i do vote for the movement too
[11:05] <dholbach> sfllaw: hug day in two weeks?
[11:05] <mdz> that's fine with me; the meeting is public and so the summaries can be as well
[11:05] <ogra> +1
[11:05] <iwj> We should move the distro meeting page, definitely.
[11:05] <fabbione> (the DistroTeammeeting
[11:05] <sfllaw> What about the DistroTeam page?
[11:05] <sfllaw> That's sort of sitting by its lonesome in the Canonical wiki.
[11:05] <mdz> no, that's a separate matter
[11:05] <sfllaw> Fair enough.
[11:05] <sfllaw> I'll move it.
[11:05] <mdz> we don't publish employee data
[11:05] <sivang> mdz: if you don't have time today, will we be able to address it tomorrow? I'm up whenever you can.
[11:05] <sfllaw> dholbach: Yes.  A hug day in two weeks would be good.
[11:06] <mdz> sivang: probably
[11:06] <mdz> ok, we're over time
[11:06] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[11:06] <dholbach> sfllaw: cool
[11:06] <mdz> adjourned
[11:06] <dholbach> thanks mdz
[11:06] <ogra> thanks mdz
[11:06] <seb128> tahnk you
[11:06] <pitti> thanks everyone
[11:06] <fabbione> thanks guys
[11:06] <dholbach> see you *wave*
[11:06] <ogra> fabbione, crossing my fingers it doesnt come during the football game :)
[11:06] <rodarvus> thanks guys
[11:07] <rodarvus> pitti, next meeting will be 4am for me :)
[11:07] <ogra> fabbione, all the best for both ;)
[11:07] <seb128> ogra: France will win anyway
[11:07] <fabbione> ogra: i promised my wife that i will join her at the hospital.. after the match
[11:07] <pitti> rodarvus: uh :(
[11:07] <rodarvus> but I guess its the best iwj could find, as I'm in the middle of US and Europe timezones
[11:07] <fabbione> seb128: ahah you wish my little blonde friend
[11:07] <pitti> rodarvus: I thought you were in spain?
[11:07] <sivang> fabbione: can't you watch the game from the hospital ? :p
[11:07] <rodarvus> pitti, no, I'm brazilian
[11:07] <dholbach> seb128: ++
[11:07] <iwj> Right, I should be going really.
[11:07] <fabbione> rodarvus: it's not too bad really.. you get to spend more time with EU and have a lot of free afternoon
[11:07] <ogra> seb128, i dont think so ... the italians havent had to do much apart from the last match yet
[11:07] <Amaranth> thinking more about it i can make it to two of those meeting times, until the end of august
[11:08] <pitti> rodarvus: ah
[11:08] <fabbione> sivang: eheh
[11:08] <Amaranth> so, yay
[11:08] <seb128> fabbione: we already gave you some good lesson in 2000
[11:08] <iwj> Thanks everyone.  Sorry to those for whom the times are difficult.
[11:08] <Mithrandir> next meeting is 0700 UTC?
[11:08] <seb128> fabbione: need to get one again? :)
[11:08] <rodarvus> fabbione, right, thats the plan indeed :)
[11:08] <iwj> We'll revisit this in the autumn when the clocks change.
[11:08] <iwj> TTFN all
[11:08] <seb128> ogra: France neither
[11:08] <fabbione> seb128: we will see :)
[11:08] <ogra> seb128, well :)
[11:08] <fabbione> seb128: i already have my dreams for the final anyway
[11:09] <pitti> fabbione: heh, I remember (my gf had a good laugh, too)
[11:09] <rodarvus> don't tell me about france or zidane :D
[11:09] <pitti> so that we can at least stand in the shadow of Italy and France
[11:09] <fabbione> pitti: yeah i am showing it to seb too :)
[11:09] <sivang> pitti: fdsfd
[11:09] <sivang> oops
[11:09] <sivang> sorry
[11:10] <pitti> sivang: bless you
[11:10] <sivang> HAHAHA
[11:38] <simira> fabbione: hey, how's Ulla?
[11:40] <fabbione> simira: looking like a whale more or less :)
[11:40] <fabbione> but she is generally ok
[11:40] <simira> fabbione: any fish soon, then?
[11:40] <fabbione> a lot of pain here and there but that's normal the last weeks
[11:40] <fabbione> simira: well it should be within the next week or so
[11:41] <fabbione> she is due to the 13
[11:41] <simira> fabbione: exciting. You should take care, then, both of you.
[11:41] <fabbione> we do :)
[11:41] <fabbione> that's why i am on the way to sleep
[11:42] <simira> good night
[11:44] <Mithrandir> simira: whales don't give birth to fish, but to small whales.
[11:46] <simira> Mithrandir: ok, but they eat a lot of fish, and some times they swim out again
[11:47] <fabbione> eheheh


[02:49] <cafuego_> ping ping ping!
[02:49] <kgoetz> i'm wondering if anyone has actually got ltspfs working under dapper, and how they did it?
[02:50] <kgoetz> packages.ubuntu.com is broken :( i searched 'ltsp' in 'dapper backports' and it gave me answers for 'edgy'
[02:54] <kgoetz> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/34121/+viewstatus :(
[02:54] <kgoetz> close as i'v got to an answer so far
[03:23] <cafuego_> well, admittedly 'dapper backports' are edgy packages ;-)
[03:32] <kgoetz> yes, well :P
[10:05] <cbx33> ogra_fat: Been eating too much again ogra?
[10:05] <cbx33> :p
[10:35] <cbx33> hi edubuntugirl
[10:35] <edubuntugirl> wasup, cbx33!
[12:39] <prashant> hello
[12:39] <prashant> exit
[03:52] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:53] <highvoltage> morning scott
[05:49] <mrlinux> help
[05:51] <sbalneav> Yes?
[05:51] <sbalneav> With what?
[05:51] <mrlinux> dhcp
[05:52] <mrlinux> i have 2 adapters and i need to setup dhcp only on eth1
[05:52] <sbalneav> easy
[05:52] <sbalneav> Edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[05:52] <mrlinux> ok i don't know how to edit it
[05:53] <mrlinux> i bunch of it is commented out
[05:53] <sbalneav> yp
[05:53] <sbalneav> the line you want is INTERFACES="eth1"
[05:54] <sbalneav> Change that, and then do a "invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart"
[05:54] <sbalneav> and it should only dhcp on eth1
[05:54] <mrlinux> hold on i am going to paste bin it because i need to change the adapter address to 192.168.0.*
[05:57] <mrlinux> shit
[05:57] <mrlinux> sorry
[05:57] <mrlinux> i'll be back i need to log in to my root
[05:57] <mrlinux> but i didn't set a root password
[05:58] <sbalneav> you don't need to
[05:58] <sbalneav> just use sudo
[05:58] <sbalneav> sudo <command> will get you root access to that command.
[05:58] <sbalneav> if you just want root command line, sudo su -
[06:02] <mrlinux> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
[06:02] <mrlinux> dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file.
[06:02] <mrlinux> The error was:
[06:02] <mrlinux> drop_privileges: could not set group id: Operation not permitted
[06:02] <mrlinux> invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "restart" failed.
[06:02] <mrlinux> sorry
[06:02] <stgraber> Why always sudo su - ?? isn't sudo -s exactly the same and shorter ? :)
[06:02] <mrlinux> ment paste bin
[06:03] <mrlinux> so what do i do
[06:04] <mrlinux> afk  phone
[06:04] <sbalneav> What's the address of the paste bin post?
[06:05] <sbalneav> You havent said here.
[06:05] <sbalneav> stgraber: It's just what I always type.
[06:08] <mrlinux> paste bin isn't working
[06:08] <mrlinux> i cant connect
[06:19] <stgraber> try ubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:19] <stgraber> paste.ubuntu-nl.org doesn't seem to work
[06:29] <mrlinux> http://pastebin.com/836975
[07:19] <antoniou> good evening