[00:03] <Fanfare> siegie: where is opensync-plugin-kdepim from? is it kde4 aware?
[00:04] <siegie> Fanfare: it depends on kdepimlibs 4.2.85, so i think so
[00:05] <Fanfare> siegie: is it a special repo? or in normal karmic repos?
[00:06] <siegie> Fanfare: normal karmic
[00:07] <Fanfare> hm, kdepimlibs5                       4:4.3.1-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1  i have on jaunty... but no OSync-kdepim...
[00:14] <jinzougen> I'm looking for some software to help me back up my data to another box on my network. I see that there are quite a few backup utilities in the repository... does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations?
[00:14] <jinzougen> Please tell me why you would recommend one over the other if you do.
[00:14] <jinzougen> I'm just looking to keep a remote copy of my home directory on a remote (kubuntu) machine.
[00:16] <Fanfare> jinzougen: so u dont need a full blown backup-server thingy, but also dont want to write your own scrips...
[00:16] <Fanfare> jinzougen: try backup-manager, some simple config, and runs via cron
[00:16] <jinzougen> I could, but I figured they made software specifically for this purpose, so why not take advantage of it.
[00:17] <madberry> jinzougen: you could try http://one.ubuntu.com
[00:17] <jinzougen> hmm. Would rather not have it be a cron job. I'm backing up a laptop and I'm not necessarily on my network on a regular schedule.
[00:19] <Fanfare> madberry: looks like an online backup...?
[00:19] <Fanfare> jinzougen: no need to have it cron, its just default.
[00:19] <madberry> Fanfare: Backup and sync. backintime might also be an option
[00:22] <Fanfare> madberry: did u use on.ubuntu.org yet?
[00:22] <madberry> Fanfare: Not yet I still have to set it up. Prob. will later today.
[00:23] <Fanfare> i wionder if they hold complete /home/<user> online ? how many space do they offer?
[00:24] <madberry> 2GB for free or an account with 10GB for $10 a month
[00:25] <Fanfare> madberry: ok, 2gb is fine for free... but what about security? interesting anyway...
[00:26] <madberry> Fanfare: I'm not sure about security which is why I'll be checking it out.
[00:28] <Fanfare> madberry: :-) guess there are still some plain passwords in /home/<user>/.* files ...
[00:29] <madberry> Fanfare: Yeah true.  I'm sure Ubuntu has a TOS some where for One
[00:31] <alteroo> We promise to only use your personal information to get rich. once it becomes filthy rich we will abstain from doing it anymore
[00:31] <Fanfare> alteroo: lol
[00:51] <dolo> Does anyone here play " Quake Wars "
[00:52] <Dragnslcr> jinzougen- dunno if you've found anything, but I just use rdiff-backup as a cron job. There are probably some Gnome frontends for it, though I'm not sure about KDE (Keep was good, but it isn't maintained anymore)
[01:03] <Zuz|Kubuntu> anyone know if a round floppy ide cable serves for a hard driver?
[01:08] <madberry> Zuz|Kubuntu: FDD's and HDD's use different cables
[01:19] <tzanger> good afternoon
[01:20] <tzanger> is it possible to tell where it is defined that when my laptop is unplugged and the screen closed, it logs out of KDE (9.04) ? it is not in the power management thing in the system tray; that is telling me that it will just go to powersave and DO NOTHING when the screen is closed.
[01:21] <Dragnslcr> tzanger- System Settings -> Advanced -> Power Management maybe
[01:22] <tzanger> aha
[01:22] <tzanger> why on earth is that different than what's in the system tray??
[01:22] <Dragnslcr> Beats me
[01:23] <tzanger> oh wait, it's transitioning to agressive powersave apparently
[01:24] <tzanger> either that or it's thinking the battery is reaching critical levels
[01:24] <tzanger> very strange, but thank you, I'll play with this some more
[01:24] <tzanger> is there any way to see this in a log (what it's doing and why) ?
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> Dunno
[01:43] <cuznt> i have kde 64 bit and though it says it is installed flash plaYER is not
[02:30] <xtremeandrew> I'm connected to my WLAN but my connection I created in Network Settings / Network Mgmt says "Never Used"?
[02:31] <xtremeandrew> v 9.04
[02:31] <xtremeandrew> actually Last USed Field says "Never".....?
[02:33] <xtremeandrew> anybody know why. or is this version's network utilities just buggy?
[02:37] <xtremeandrew> How can I enable a Firewall for my WLAN Network connection?
[02:38] <xtremeandrew> !firewall
[02:39] <xtremeandrew> thanks xtreme
[02:42] <froglet> could someone help with some akonadi errors in kde 4.3.1  please     http://pastebin.ca/1563777
[02:43] <froglet> since akonadi was introduced, it has always behaved this way
[02:43] <froglet> for me
[02:43] <froglet> I think I am missing a driver or drivers that akonadi needs
[02:53] <zaccour> whats the deal with konqueror? its not ready to be a default web browser
[02:54] <zaccour> its messed up with yahoo email and myspace pages
[02:58] <Fanfare> zaccour: i have no probs with myspace...
[02:59] <Fanfare> zaccour: sry, wron i mean facebook...
[03:01] <pablin_> hi guys
[03:01] <James147> Hello
[03:03] <pablin_> you know a windows switcher  ??
[03:03] <pablin_> quit
[03:04] <James147> pablin_:  alt+tab?
[03:06] <pablin_> yes
[03:07] <pablin_> well, the idea is saw a windows
[03:14] <xtremeandrew> quit tonight
[03:14] <xtremeandrew> quiet i meant
[03:39] <shrey_> i m Not able to send file from Kubuntu to my mobile using bluetooth.i m using KBluetooth4 which came pre installed.pls help
[03:40] <pencil> any tutorial for 9.04 installation? i got the CD now
[03:42] <BluesKaj> pencil, it's in the messages https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ
[03:43] <shrey_> i m Not able to send file from my laptop to my mobile using bluetooth.i m using KBluetooth4 which came pre installed.pls help
[03:47] <Ironicus> I am trying to install xampp on my ubuntu, but it makes like 1000 error
[03:47] <Ironicus> http://www.apachefriends.org/fr/xampp-linux.html#1044
[04:07] <sulo_seppa> Hello.
[04:09] <sulo_seppa> I recently installed kubuntu 9.04 amd64, and wanted to grab KDE 4.3, so I added it so my sources and tried to install it, but it gave me a bunch of errors and froze, so when I rebooted it would go through the splash screen and only show akondi (?) loading, and then it will throw an error and I have to reboot. I booted into recovery but found that trying to fix the broken packages doesn't work.
[04:10] <sulo_seppa> It was a new installation so reinstall wouldn't be a problem, but I just don't want to waste that much time.  I have an acer aspire 1 using jaunty, and after quitting kismet, i can't get my wifi back.
[04:46] <biga_> i've read the read-me and all that from kismet's site, and kismet runs fine
[04:46] <biga_> anyone have a fix for this?
[04:51] <Pavlz> Ninux Day 2009 Community Networks Meeting from 27 to 29 November 2009 to Defrag_, Rome, Italy,   http://wiki.ninux.org/NinuxDay2009en
[05:09] <xp-killer> good nite evryone
[05:10] <xp-killer> how do i stop linux from trying to veryfy the hdd for any defects?it keep looking for defects every time i put on the pc or restart and allways fails
[05:10] <xp-killer> so i want to stop it from checking the hdd
[06:05] <khalid> hi
[06:08] <shrey> Anybody here using blueman
[06:08] <shrey> Anybody here using blueman, pls help
[07:22] <Guest33039> hi
[07:22] <sub[t]rnl> hi
[07:24] <Guest33039> hola cajabo aztec
[07:24] <Guest33039> hola cajabo aztec
[07:49] <_genuser_> Hello People.
[07:49] <_genuser_> I am having an issue in kubuntu mounting something. It says wrong fs type.
[07:50] <_genuser_> normally, I just say mount and it works.
[07:50] <_genuser_> in xubuntu it works fine.
[08:02] <ChrisMir> Can anyone tell me how to get MP3 support for audiocd://   ?
[08:06] <ChrisMir> yay, a channel with 228 idlers, exactly what I was hoping for :p
[08:13] <robin0800> ChrisMir: Install restricted extras
[08:16] <ChrisMir> robin0800: restricted extra is active. I do have MP3 support, amarok is working etc. It is just that MP3 is not showing with audiocd://
[08:17] <ChrisMir> FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Full CD etc are showing, but no MP3
[08:17] <robin0800> ChrisMir: cd's are not usually mp3's they are cda's
[08:18] <ChrisMir> robin0800: I know that. You probably don't understand the audiocd:// kio_plugin I'm refereing to?
[08:19] <robin0800> ChrisMir: try gnome restricted exstras too
[08:19] <ChrisMir> robin0800: audiocd:// plugin shows different views of an audio cd. MP3 is usually included, so one can easily rip a cd.
[08:19] <ChrisMir> No thank you :p
[08:21] <robin0800> ChrisMir: there was an update to amarok yesterday perhaps something broke
[08:26] <iCub> ive installed Kubuntu only recently and am having some problems with my graphics card. Im running an Acer Aspire 6530, AMD Turion X2, ATI Radeon 3200HD, 4GB RAM. It seems that every time I install the 2nd amount of updates, when I restart the Boot loader freezes and shows lines and blotches. This is my 4th attempt at an install...
[08:27] <iCub> And I should also mention, I'm a complete n00b at this.
[08:31] <ChrisMir> robin0800: problem fixed. lame libs were installed, but not the lame front-end. sudo apt-get install lame did the trick :) thx for your time
[08:32] <robin0800> iCub: there is a bug in grub 2 and ati cards
[08:32] <iCub> robin0800: is there a way around the bug or a fix?
[08:33] <robin0800> icub if youve got a n alternatve cd yes
[08:33] <iCub> robin0800: what alternative CD?
[08:34] <robin0800> iCub: a kde one not the live cd
[08:34] <iCub> Hm.
[08:35] <iCub> How do i get a hold of one? I'm guessing order it via the net or buy one.
[08:35] <robin0800> iCub:  download it
[08:36] <iCub> i take it you mean the Text based installer...
[08:37] <ChrisMir> iCub: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download  and click the checkbox under the start download button
[08:43] <robin0800> iCub: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/
[08:43] <robin0800> iCub: choose the alternate cd
[08:56] <yuanmin> hello
[08:58] <yuanmin> ô
[09:02] <yuanmin> i want to ask whay my ubuntu 9.04 doesn't recognise my ATI video card in xorg.conf but the "lspci | grep VGA" gives me the right answer
[09:02] <yuanmin> any idea ?
[09:03] <yuanmin> in xorg.conf, it says "Configured Video Divice"
[09:04] <iCub> robin0800: are you sure this will work?
[09:04] <iCub> i already have Kubuntu installed.
[09:04] <iCub> why do i need to install it again
[09:04] <iCub> :s
[09:07] <yuanmin>  whay my ubuntu 9.04 doesn't recognise my ATI video card in xorg.conf but the "lspci | grep VGA" gives me the right answer
[09:07] <iCub> I have the same problem yuanmin
[09:07] <iCub> Turns out Grub2 has a problem with ATI GFX.
[09:08] <yuanmin> XD
[09:08] <iCub> Somehow running the text based installer will work, or so I've been told anyways
[09:09] <yuanmin> lol
[09:09] <yuanmin> how can i know which version it is adapt with my video card?
[09:11] <robin0800> iCub: no it wont but it will give you a method to fix it
[09:11] <iCub> yuanmin: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ati-linux-video-driver-9-8-now-supports-ubuntu-9-04-jaunty.html
[09:12] <iCub> ok ive downloaded it and burned it to CD
[09:12] <robin0800> iCub: and anyway the alternate cd is not by default text based
[09:13] <iCub> so is there any particular menu i need to go into?
[09:13] <iCub> this is my only running machine atm :/
[09:18] <giacomo> salve
[09:18] <giacomo> ciao a tutti
[09:18] <giacomo> !lista
[09:29] <iCub> robin0800: <iCub> so is there any particular menu i need to go into?
 this is my only running machine atm :/
[09:29] <robin0800> the rescue one
[09:34] <ubuntu> здрасте!
[09:40] <huguet> toc
[10:31] <Raz1> Hi, I need some help. I havea  swedish keyboard layout. And the key combination ctrl+alt+2 should input an At sign (the email sign thingy), but it doesnt. However all other things on the keyboard work fine, including the swedish ÅÄÖ
[10:32] <Raz1> In fact there are several signs that require a ctrl+alt+number combination like the dollar sign, brackets backslash, and so on
[10:32] <Raz1> But none of them work
[10:33] <iCub_> try just control 2
[10:33] <iCub_> or shift 2....
[10:33] <Raz1> Nope, doesnt work
[10:33] <Raz1> "
[10:33] <Raz1> nope again
[10:33] <iCub_> hm.
[10:33] <iCub_> and you're sure you have your keyboad set correctly?
[10:34] <Raz1> swedish, yupp
[10:34] <iCub_> well.
[10:34] <iCub_> hate to say it but...
[10:34] <iCub_> i dont know :s
[10:35] <Raz1> Lol
[10:35] <Raz1> ok
[10:35] <Raz1> thanks anyway
[10:37] <Raz1> Whats this "cube" thing Ive heard so much about? I just got Linux, I have no idea what it is
[10:39] <Coyotes> CPU-consuming gimmick :P
[10:40] <Coyotes> Well I'd ask this:  You have a swedish keyboard and set that as the layout in Linux?
[10:40] <Coyotes> If it's what I think you mean, they put multiple desktops on a cube.
[10:41] <Coyotes> I would try playing with the layout settings in configuration...
[11:07] <Gintulis> have kubuntu something similar as ubuntu sessions preferences?
[11:29] <mostafa_> hey anybody knows how to add to and delete item from Grub2?
[11:34] <pvandewyngaerde> what is the graphical partition manager using the kubuntu live cd ?
[11:41] <Spaceman> kparted??
[11:42] <OxDeadC0de> mostafa_: /boot/grub either menu.lst or grub.cfg depending on the version
[11:47] <pvandewyngaerde> Spaceman: no, not that one,  gparted or qtparted is also not on the disk
[11:49] <philipp__> #kubuntu.de
[11:49] <philipp__> !de
[11:50] <philipp__> hi can someone help me, i have no sound
[11:50] <kaggio> hi all, i can see that my webcam is working in kopete config but cannot find a way to enable it during chat. can you help? (i don't find any option or toolbar button)
[11:51] <philipp__> where do you chat?
[11:52] <philipp__> i mean what client?
[11:52] <philipp__> kopete?
[11:52] <kaggio> philipp__: me?
[11:52] <philipp__> yes you
[11:52] <kaggio> i did specify the client is kopete.
[11:53] <kaggio> and protocol is msn
[11:54] <philipp__> on moment
[11:55] <kaggio> ok thanks
[11:56] <philipp__> do you have svn?
[11:57] <philipp__> what kopete version do you have?
[11:58] <kaggio> philipp__: kubuntu's 9.04 one
[11:58] <kaggio> 0.70.4
[12:00] <philipp__> ok go to preference
[12:01] <kaggio> philipp__: ok
[12:01] <philipp__> sorry I'm german and go to the last point i don't know whats this in english
[12:01] <josef_> hey
[12:02] <josef_> can someone say me where i can found a mps encorder for audiacity?
[12:02] <josef_> mp3*
[12:03] <kaggio> philipp__: extensions?
[12:03] <philipp__> yes
[12:03] <kaggio> ok
[12:03] <josef_> ?
[12:03] <philipp__> i think thats right
[12:03] <kaggio> which one?
[12:03] <philipp__> and now go to video
[12:04] <kaggio> philipp__: so you mean preferences --> video ?
[12:04] <kaggio> i can see the webcam works there. but there's no way to start it in chat windows.
[12:04] <philipp__> ah good
[12:05] <philipp__> ah you can't inivte someone?
[12:05] <kaggio> nope
[12:06] <kaggio> philipp__: thanks for help. i need to go now. shower and food.
[12:09] <philipp__> ok
[12:28] <philipp__> can someone help me, i have no sound in vlc and rythmbox
[12:30] <Spaceman> do you have any other sounds?
[12:30] <Spaceman> are the speakers switched on and plugged in etc
[12:32] <carlota> hi from spain
[12:35] <robin0800> Spaceman: have you installed restricted extras
[13:22] <mrpan> ..
[13:23] <larsemil> upgraded to 4.3 from backports. after reboot plasma is not starting
[13:26] <Gintulis> video device driver?
[13:26] <larsemil> intel
[13:26] <larsemil> everythng worked in 4.2
[13:27] <larsemil> even get error when trying to start it manually
[13:28] <larsemil> think kwin is not running either
[13:59] <Fanfare> !kdepim
[14:03] <huguet> bonjour
[14:03] <huguet> czes quoi ceux soft un chat
[14:05] <macroamd> hola peña, alguien habla cristiano?
[14:09] <Raz1> Hi, I have a question. I just came off of Ubuntu and when I run Pidgin here on Kubuntu and press the X it turns it off, where as in Ubuntu it minimized it to a kind of tray. Does Kubuntu not have a tray like that?
[14:11] <Riddell> Raz1: it does in karmic
[14:11] <Raz1> whats karmic? :P
[14:11] <Riddell> the development version due out in october
[14:11] <Raz1> Oooh, so I just gotta wait? :P
[14:12] <Riddell> yes although Pidgin ought to be clever enough to do the right thing
[14:12] <stef_> Salve!
[14:12] <Riddell> maybe there's a config option to turn off message indiactor
[14:12] <Riddell> or you could just use Kopete
[14:12] <Raz1> But Pidgin is better :P
[14:13] <stef_> Scusate mi potete indicare come passare ad un canale su Azzurra_?
[14:14] <stef_> Ma questo canale è abitato?
[14:19] <MeowKItten> Is there a GUI ISO mounter?
[14:21] <BugsBunnyBR> when will be avaliable the next alfa/beta of kubuntu 9.10 ?
[14:22] <MeowKItten> !iso
[14:22] <MeowKItten> !mount
[14:26] <indianoplace> Hi folks.
[14:26] <shrey> Converter for avi to 3gp
[14:26] <BugsBunnyBR> when will be avaliable the next alfa/beta of kubuntu 9.10 ?
[14:26] <indianoplace> Anyone in Indianapolis?
[14:27] <MeowKItten> hi mount is not working for me: sudo mount -o loop /home/fnord/Alone in the Dark 4/Alone.In.The.Dark.4.cd1.ISO  /home/fnord/Desktop/iso
[14:27] <MeowKItten> all im getting is the mount helpo screen
[14:28] <James147> MeowKItten: escape the spaces in the path with \
[14:28] <larsemil> anyone have a solution on how to start plasma in kde4.3?? after upgrading using backports reposittory it is not starting. neither is kwin as far as i can tell
[14:29] <MeowKItten> fnord@fnord-desktop:~$ sudo mount -o loop /home/fnord/Alone/in/the/Dark/4/Alone.In.The.Dark.4.cd1.ISO  /home/fnord/Desktop/iso
[14:29] <MeowKItten> /home/fnord/Alone/in/the/Dark/4/Alone.In.The.Dark.4.cd1.ISO: No such file or directory
[14:29] <James147> MeowKItten: /home/fnord/Alone\ in\ the\ Dark\ 4/Alone.In.The.Dark.4.cd1.ISO
[14:30] <James147> MeowKItten: or you can just enclose in quotes - > "/home/fnord/Alone in the Dark 4/Alone.In.The.Dark.4.cd1.ISO"
[14:31] <James147> MeowKItten: also, it helps to use tab completeion, you should be able to type /home/fnord/Alone  and hit the tab key, that will complete the rest of the path
[14:44] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:45] <James147> Heya
[14:51] <Guest64549> .
[14:51] <Guest64549> hello
[14:55] <yusuo> IM having a bit of trouble adding XP to my Grub menu can anyone help
[14:55] <James147> yusuo: pastebin your menu.lst
[14:55] <yusuo> the problem being is that im getting an error when adding it manually
[14:56] <yusuo> i added it to ubuntuforums.org james
[14:56] <yusuo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7942178#post7942178
[14:58] <James147> yusuo: i think hd1,0 links to sdb1 windows looks to be on sdc1 so try hd2,0
[14:58] <yusuo> k be back in a minute just try that
[15:00] <Guest64549> anyone that knows on what server runs this ?
[15:00] <Guest64549> i know i m off topic
[15:00] <phh> James147: linux order isn't the same as grub ones, so he'll have to try 0 if 2 still doesn't work. But using the grub's commandline should be enough: you can do something like ls (hd0) to read the partition table, and so find if it's the right drive
[15:00] <phh> Guest64549: freenode you mean ?
[15:00] <Guest64549> irc server
[15:00] <Guest64549> i want to make one :)
[15:01] <Guest64549> make=install
[15:01] <phh> Guest64549: read MOTD.
[15:01] <Guest64549> thanks
[15:02] <James147> phh: ls is unreconized in grub prompt, at least for me :S
[15:04] <yusuo> james147 now im just getting Starting up and nothing happens
[15:05] <pvandewyngaerde_> i am using karmic,  i see a little envelop in my systray,  what does it mean ?
[15:06] <robin0800> pvandewyngaerde_: its an indicator appalet
[15:07] <pvandewyngaerde_> yes, but i can not do anythin with it
[15:08] <robin0800> pvandewyngaerde_: in ubuntu at least it works with email and konversation
[15:10] <James147> yusuo: hmm, seems like grub has problems loading windows if its not on the first hd, try what the second post says on that link you gave
[15:12] <cuznt> i have kde 64 bit and though it says it is installed flash plaYER it is not working
[15:15] <bougataya> hello
[15:27] <Ejdesgaard|> hi, i'm looking for an app. that can connect via serial line
[15:31] <Lacsap> Ejdesgaard|: you mean a serial analogue modem?
[15:34] <Ejdesgaard|> Lacsap, i have a db9 cable from my net-5501-70 to my laptop and need to configure it through that cable, the boud rate it 38400...
[15:39] <Lacsap> Ejdesgaard|: sorry, I can't help you :(
[15:46] <Domie> hello
[15:47] <cuznt> !hi
[15:49] <larsemil> so my notifications look like crap after upgrading to kde4.3 in the backports repository. any idea what to do about that? http://larsemil.dalnix.se/notifications.png
[15:52] <cuznt> maybe it is the theame desktop theame larsemil
[15:52] <cuznt> The requested URL /notifications.png was not found on this server.
[15:52] <larsemil> hmm
[15:52] <cuznt> btw that url she's a no work
[15:53] <larsemil> http://larsemil.dalnix.se/notification.png
[15:56] <cuznt> i would try right click>desktop setting>theame try a different one or download some. i had oxygen and did not like it. but i have so few notifications. (i usually turn most off)
[15:56] <cuznt> there are more transparent ones. i think you casn adjust the size but maybe... let me look
[15:57] <larsemil> cuznt: tried three different and still the same
[15:57] <cuznt> heh
[15:57] <cuznt> yes they do
[15:57] <cuznt> i just turn 2 on....
[15:57] <cuznt> very large and blocking.... right>?
[15:58] <larsemil> they are white and squary and look lile something from the 90s
[15:59] <cuznt> i think the color depends on the theame.  mine are more ghrey
[15:59] <larsemil> downloaded new ones and they still look the same
[16:00] <larsemil> well did you see my screenshot? someone over att kde said that was a gnome notification and i wonder how they got there...
[16:07] <cuznt> i did... but i can help sorry. you can just turn them off.
[16:07] <cuznt> for each app or entirely
[16:08] <cuznt> !notifications
[16:09] <cuznt> http://pastebin.ca/1564275
[16:09] <cuznt> thats how to turn them all off
[16:09] <cuznt> pastepin rocks imo
[16:23] <rcm> Hello everyone
[16:23] <lukas__> Hello, I am unable to make pulseaudio running, could anyone help? I use kubuntu jaunty, amd64, kernel 2.6.28-15-server, output of --debug is on http://pastebin.com/f6edf601d
[16:23] <lukas__> I do not know why the daemon dose not start, but I suspect some problem with capabilities
[16:25] <rcm> I have this problem, I'm connected to a WIFI lan which provides me the internet, then, when I connect the computer to a eth intranet (with no conection to the internet) it tries to get internet from there (it doesn't disconnect) and I can access no websites
[16:25] <lukas__> rcm: for diagnostics: paste on pastebin output of ifconfig and route -n
[16:25] <rcm> mm
[16:26] <rcm> the problem here is that right now i'm not connected to the eth, 'cause I can no get internet from there
[16:26] <rcm> but wait a minute
[16:26] <lukas__> rcm: np
[16:27] <rcm> c
[16:28] <rcm> lukas__ here http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/1te0hIraQ
[16:31] <zaccour> are there any good kde web browsers?
[16:32] <rcm> lukas__ anything?
[16:32] <robin0800> zaccour: firefox
[16:33] <lukas__> rcm: do you have DHCP enabled on both?
[16:33] <rcm> yes
[16:33] <zaccour> robin0800, if i'm using mozilla it would have to be epiphany. firefox is too buggy
[16:33] <rcm> lukas __ the idea is to serve internet to another computers from this one
[16:33] <robin0800> zaccour: seems alright here
[16:34] <lukas__> rcm: the strange thing is the 169 network
[16:34] <lukas__> it was added on your own?
[16:34] <zaccour> is there a KNR?
[16:34] <lukas__> zaccour: KNR?
[16:34] <zaccour> i meant Kubuntu Netbook Remix
[16:34] <lukas__> zaccour: ah, ok
[16:34] <simon__> How to use zwamp memory?
[16:35] <rcm> lukas__ yeah, but that network is still there now
[16:35] <rcm> so I guess that not the problem
[16:35] <lukas__> rcm: I would try /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart
[16:35] <hedin> i have installed skype and connected my usb headset, then started skype from konsole with the following cmd: "skype &" without quotes. when i try to call someone, i get the following error in my onsole: ALSA lib pcm_bluetooth.c:1569:(audioservice_expect) BT_GET_CAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)
[16:36] <lukas__> hedin: do you use bluetooth headset?
[16:36] <simon__> How To Use Swap Memory?
[16:36] <hedin> no, usb
[16:36] <lukas__> hedin: well, so is it started twice?
[16:36] <lukas__> rcm: paste the route -n after the commend
[16:36] <lukas__> simon__: what do you mean?
[16:37] <lukas__> simon__: you can not use it?
[16:37] <simon__> I do not know what it is!
[16:37] <rcm> lukas__ there http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/URms4tqEA9
[16:37] <DaemonFC> is there a way to get visualizations back in Kaffeine?
[16:38] <lukas__> simon__: well, you have RAM and swap, RAM is fast memory on your board, swap is used to use disc if RAM is not sufficient
[16:38] <hedin> lukas__: no, it's only startet once
[16:38] <lukas__> hedin: try ps aux |grep skype and paste the results
[16:39] <lukas__> hedin: have you tried to configure your audio?
[16:39] <simon__> ok! so that swich Auto? or must i splitt my harddrive?
[16:39] <simon__> Or manualy i mean!
[16:39] <hedin> lukas__: http://dpaste.com/93058/
[16:40] <lukas__> rcm: strange, do you have something in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:40] <hedin> no, how do i configure it?
[16:40] <zaccour> should i use karmic alpha kubuntu or stick with kurrent one?
[16:40] <rcm> lukas__ nop
[16:40] <lukas__> simon__: there are several possibilities - you can use separate partition or a file
[16:40] <zaccour> yes intentional typo on the k
[16:41] <simon__> OK! How do i make a file?
[16:42] <zaccour> does anyone recommend karmic alpha kubuntu right now?
[16:42] <lukas__> simon__: for separate partition you need to create partition (on some disc), then mkswap <swap_device> and swapon <swap_device>, then modify the /etc/fstab and it will be kept after reboot
[16:42] <James147> zaccour: running it on my laptop
[16:42] <zaccour> James147, is it pretty stable?
[16:43] <fincan> hi all, I need help about pulseaudio in 9.04
[16:43] <James147> zaccour: I havent had many problems with it
[16:43] <lukas__> rcm: well, if you need it to serve as server (transmit the access to internet), then I would suggest skipping the NetworkManager and use usual configs
[16:44] <zaccour> can i use gyachi with kde?
[16:44] <simon__> can you send me a link to a guidesite or something?
[16:44] <lukas__> rcm: so create the /etc/network/interfacess, stop NetworkManager, remove it from init and do /etc/init.d/networking restart
[16:44] <fincan> how can I install and use pulseaudio in kubuntu 9.04? I installed but no sond only little "wzzzz" :)
[16:44] <lukas__> rcm: it is recommended way on production computers
[16:45] <lukas__> rcm: you will have usefull configuration
[16:46] <fincan> how can I install and use pulseaudio in kubuntu 9.04? I installed but no sond only little "wzzzz" :)
[16:47] <hedin> lukas__: any good ideas?
[16:47] <lukas__> hedin: how is your audio configured?
[16:48] <hedin> default... i haven't touched it since install... tho the usb headset has not been connected until today.
[16:48] <lukas__> hedin: and could you tell which headset do you have?
[16:50] <lukas__> hedin: to be true, I see no reason to connect headset to usb, could you say which device it is?
[16:50] <lukas__> hedin: some info
[16:50] <lukas__> rcm: do you see what I speak about?
[16:50] <hedin> lukas__: sec. searching for the correct one on the net
[16:51] <LrdOfNightmares> Hey guys i have a technical problem with my internet connection in my new Netbook, i run ubuntu netbook remix on it
[16:51] <zaccour> i'm having trouble with my website proberly being displayed with konqueror
[16:51] <zaccour> its ppvheaven.com if anyone wants to take a look
[16:51] <zaccour> but other browsers show it just fine
[16:51] <lukas__> LrdOfNightmares: be more specific
[16:52] <LrdOfNightmares> Well, I can't connect to the internet with wirelless or even wired
[16:52] <James147> qi
[16:52] <hedin> lukas__: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/webcam_communications/internet_headsets_phones/devices/3622&cl=us,en << that's the headset that i have connected
[16:53] <lukas__> LrdOfNightmares: how experienced are you on linux?
[16:53] <lukas__> LrdOfNightmares: beginner user, advanced ...
[16:53] <LrdOfNightmares> lukas_:Bigginer
[16:53] <lukas__> LrdOfNightmares: for how long time have you used it?
[16:54] <lukas__> LrdOfNightmares: okay, paste output of ifconfig and route -n
[16:54] <LrdOfNightmares> About 2 months
[16:54] <njathan> what can i use to aquire images from my canon camera?
[16:54] <LrdOfNightmares> Ok W8
[16:55] <lukas__> hedin: please try lsusb
[16:56] <Fanfare> njathan: digikam has a nice import based on gphoto
[16:56] <hedin> lukas__: http://dpaste.com/93066/
[16:57] <njathan> thanks Fanfare, i check it out
[16:59] <lukas__> hedin: is it working as usual on other programs?
[16:59] <lukas__> hedin: like mplayer, or another sound player:
[17:00] <hedin> lukas__: it work if i go to system settings and test it there..
[17:01] <lukas__> hedin: system settings of ubuntu or skype?
[17:01] <hedin> kubuntu
[17:01] <lukas__> hedin: okay, inspect your settings/audio and write what is selected here
[17:02] <lukas__> hedin: also, does it work without headset?
[17:02] <hedin> yes it does
[17:02] <lukas__> hedin: could you try some other microphone and speakers?
[17:02] <hedin> sry, i don't have others:S
[17:02] <lukas__> hedin: do you use pulseaudio?
[17:03] <lukas__> hedin: do you have it installed?
[17:03] <hedin> in sys settings->multimedia->music, the headset is 1. then hda_intel and last pulse
[17:04] <lukas__> hedin: how about skype settings?
[17:05] <hedin> there i have sat hda intel (plughw:intel:1) in sound output device and hda intel (plughw:intel,0) in capture device
[17:06] <hedin> lukas__: ALSA lib pcm_bluetooth.c:1569:(audioservice_expect) BT_GET_CAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5) was the error msg.
[17:06] <lukas__> hedin: what exactly does it when trying test call?
[17:07] <hedin> i don't know where the bluetooth comes from
[17:07] <laeborg> does anyone know about dual monitor with a ATI radeon gfx card?
[17:07] <lukas__> hedin: so have you tried to use it?
[17:07] <hedin> skype itself comes with "Problem with audio playback"
[17:07] <hedin> "your call to skype test cal was unsuccessful on [today]
[17:08] <hedin> lukas__: and in konsole that msg. is spammed 6 times on every call try
[17:08] <lukas__> hedin: ps aux |grep pulse
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hedin: change the i/p and o/p devices to use alsa
[17:09] <shadeslayer> hedin: in the skype settings that is
[17:10] <hedin> lukas__: that ps aux gives no output
[17:10] <hedin> shadeslayer: i can't choose between alsa / oss etc. anywhere...
[17:11] <shadeslayer> hedin: weird.... not even in skype > settings > Devices
[17:11] <lukas__> hedin: click blue S icon, then Options > Sound devices
[17:11] <shadeslayer> the last thing (Devices) might be different
[17:11] <hedin> shadeslayer: nope, it's not the useual UI
[17:12] <shadeslayer> hedin: what are you using?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> like version etc
[17:12] <hedin> in about  this progam: skype (beta) version <IP_ADDRESS>.0.93
[17:12] <shadeslayer> oh... thats the new one... no idea about it
[17:12] <lukas__> hedin: try the way I wrote you
[17:15] <hedin> i have taken some screenshots... any idea where i can upload them?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> !imagebin | hedin
[17:16] <lukas__> hedin: huh, rapidshare or something
[17:17] <hedin> http://imagebin.org/63685
[17:18] <hedin> http://imagebin.org/63686
[17:18] <hedin> shadeslayer: lukas__: http://imagebin.org/63687 that's how it looks like
[17:19] <lukas__> hedin: how about sound settings?
[17:19] <hedin> http://imagebin.org/63687
[17:19] <shadeslayer> hedin: see the sound settings
[17:20] <pacopil> online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html
[17:20] <shadeslayer> hedin: under settings > sound settings
[17:20] <hedin> sec.. uploaded wrong img once
[17:21] <hedin> lukas__: http://imagebin.org/63689
[17:22] <shadeslayer> hedin: change the sound capture and o/p to alsa or what ever is the second option
[17:23] <hedin> shadeslayer: the second option is HDA Intel (hw:intel,1) for output and HDA Intel (hw:Intel,0) for capture
[17:24] <hedin> wich enables the laptops buildin speakers etc.
[17:24] <shadeslayer> hedin: try with that
[17:24] <shadeslayer> hedin: which you dont want?
[17:26] <lukas__> hedin: this is strange
[17:26] <hedin> shadeslayer: that's correct. i want to use the headset  :)
[17:26] <hedin> lukas__: i agree :)
[17:26] <lukas__> hedin: give us cat /proc/asound/card and cat /proc/asound/devices
[17:26] <hedin> is there a CLI tool to paste stuff on dpaste or similar?
[17:28] <hedin> i got /proc/asound/[card0 card1 cards]
[17:28] <hedin> /proc/asound/devices: http://pastebin.com/f545435b8
[17:29] <shadeslayer> hedin: no idea then,also since this i beta software its bound to have problems
[17:29] <hedin> cards: http://pastebin.com/f559fa9f1
[17:31] <lukas__> hedin: try Intel,1 for both
[17:32] <njathan> I am now using kubuntu 9.04 for about a month now.... and i feel there's a problem with the graphics. I am not sure if i am the only one facing this. Graphic rendering on some part of the screen suddenly goes haywire. This happens only with KDE applications. Others (say firefox, gimp etc) dont show this behaviour. If the application has a scroll bar (or some other way of refreshing the screen), then the refreshed part gets right
[17:32] <njathan> Is this a bug with this version? or is it just the hardware thats not completely supported?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> njathan: what card?
[17:33] <njathan> shadeslayer: i am using Lenovo G550 laptop
[17:33] <shadeslayer> njathan: i meant what graphic card?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> njathan: if its a intel card,you might see !intel
[17:36] <shadeslayer> !intel | njathan
[17:37] <njathan> shadeslayer: Yes, just verified... its intel - "Intel Integrated Graphics X4500 "
[17:37] <shadeslayer> njathan: ok im not sure if your card is supported or not,but see the link above
[17:41] <lukas__> hedin: did it help?
[17:41] <hedin> lukas__: no... i'l just wait and see if it's fixed with the next update
[17:43] <lukas__> hedin: this should be really problem in setup which would not change in newt release
[17:43] <lukas__> next
[17:43] <lukas__> hedin: I really would try to set everything in skype on ,1 (headset) or everything on pulse
[17:43] <hedin> okay:S
[17:43] <lukas__> and then test it
[17:43] <zaccour> i downloaded kubuntu iso file and now can't find where it saved. i assumed it would be the desktop but not there and not the home folder either. how do i find it?
[17:49] <lukas__> hedin: if it wont be fixed, maybe some mailing list would be better (more people and more probable that you will find someone more skilled)
[17:50] <om26er> hello fellas
[17:50] <om26er> i did some mistakes in the kubuntu environment and the environment is ugly now how can i restore to kubuntu default
[17:52] <om26er> how to restore kubuntu settings to defaults
[17:52] <om26er> plz help me
[17:53] <om26er> any 1 here
[17:54] <jamesjedimaster> om26er: you could try rename .kde to .kde_old and restart your session
[17:54] <om26er> jamesjedimaster: thanx
[17:54] <laeborg> finally i got my dual monitor to work :D
[17:59] <b> How do I get a host mask?
[18:00] <b> tried running through Tor, but hardly any channels allow it, so I need a host mask
[18:03] <b> Host mask? Anyone?
[18:04] <seest> hello
[18:05] <bobbob1016> How can I associate all media files with mplayer?  I did open with, but if I open 2 or more and right click and say open with, they start in different instances, but I'd prefer 1 instance, played in order.
[18:05] <seest> i was wondering how i do install any programs, that i have to download first?
[18:05] <seest> bobbob1016, try add them in the playlist
[18:06] <seest> open one, and add the others in the playlist
[18:07] <om26er> help me plz any1. i deleted .kde and now i get the error
[18:07] <om26er> kstartupconfig4 doesnot exists
[18:07] <bobbob1016> seest: I used to be able to select multiple files and open them at once, much easier than playlists
[18:08] <lukas__> om26er: huh
[18:08] <om26er> lukas__: what to do now
[18:09] <lukas__> om26er: maybe a logout and login would help
[18:09] <seest> bobbob1016, then i am affraid, i can't help but i can see it's ignorent
[18:09] <om26er> lukas__: i even restarted
[18:10] <om26er> lukas__: how to rename a folder from command line
[18:10] <lukas__> om26er: how have you don it?
[18:10] <lukas__> mv <current> <new>
[18:11] <Leobuntu> rename <current> <new>
[18:11] <om26er> lukas__: i renamed .kde to .kde_old
[18:11] <Leobuntu> he wan't to rename the file, not to move it
[18:11] <Leobuntu> rename .kde .ke_old
[18:11] <lukas__> Leobuntu: yes, that is the same thing :-)
[18:12] <lukas__> Leobuntu: moving in one directory is really the same
[18:12] <Leobuntu> yes, if you don't specify a other directory
[18:12] <seest> i was wondering how i do install any programs, that i have to download first?
[18:13] <lukas__> seest: depends on the program (there are many ways)
[18:13] <lukas__> thanks, I need to leave, bye
[18:13] <seest> lukas_: if it's .deb?
[18:13] <seest> the program is Handbrake
[18:14] <el> dpkg -i
[18:14] <lukas__> seest: but you will have to cope with dependencies
[18:15] <el> Everytime I boot Kubuntu I get a fsck error "unexpected inconsistency" and I have to run a full manual fsck. Then I reboot and it works. But after the next shutdown the error will be back.
[18:15] <el> Might have got something to do with the "/ is busy" message I get during every shutdown? Any ideas?
[18:16] <seest> lukas_:okay, i am pretty new here in kubuntu, so how to do this?
[18:16] <lukas__> seest: just use your package manager to install if dpkg complaints
[18:17] <seest> okay, ill have a try
[18:17] <lukas__> seest: dpkg just installs what you give it, but do not download, that does apt-get/aptitude/synaptic
[18:18] <seest> okay, but if i take the .deb file from the internet, and save it on my desktop, and then use dpkg ?
[18:20] <nceterval> Hello, I've just installed Kubuntu 9.04 and done a dist-upgrade.  Now amarok crashes on launch and kcrash tells me "Unable to create a valid backtrace."  Can anyone help me fix this?
[18:30] <seest_> okay, handbrake is installed
[18:31] <nceterval> Hmm, any ideas for fixing amarok?
[18:32] <DaemonFC> nceterval: Junk it and start over
[18:33] <DaemonFC> oh wait, that's where 2.0 came from, eeek
[18:33] <nceterval> ?
[18:33] <nceterval> Oh
[18:34] <nceterval> So, no suggestions come to mind?
[18:35] <seest_> okay, is there any way to install .exe files on kubuntu?
[18:36] <James147> seest_: wine can run windows programs with varing degrees of success
[18:36] <seest_> okay, sudo aptitude wine ?
[18:37] <James147> seest_: sudo aptitude install wine
[18:37] <seest_> okay, ill give it a shot
[18:37] <James147> seest_: but you might get more success with the lastest development version
[18:38] <James147> seest_: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb  <-howto install the latest wine
[18:44] <DaemonFC> Is Amarok not getting Lyrics and album art for anyone else?
[18:45] <DaemonFC> James147: the Wine version in the Ubuntu repository is over a year old
[18:45] <DaemonFC> get the latest one from their repository
[18:45] <James147> DaemonFC: hence why i liked to their howto for installing the lastest :)
[18:46] <DaemonFC> I meant that for seest_
[18:46] <DaemonFC> stable releases of Wine make no sense
[18:46] <seest_> and, it is installed now, so it was a nice guide
[18:47] <DaemonFC> Windows is a moving target and Wine at any time is only a partial reimplementation of that target
[18:47] <DaemonFC> best to alway have the latest version
[18:53] <seest_> i am now running .exe files in wine, thank you
[18:55] <blake__> I have 2 HDD on my desktop one is Windows XP OS and the other is this Linux Kubuntu OS. Do I really need to unplug one of them in order to boot into the other everytime time i'd like to switch between the 2 different HDD? Is it possible to have both plugged into the motherboard at the same time without any problems?
[18:56] <James147> blake__: you shouldent need to unplug them if you set up grub
[18:56] <kalp> how to stop kubuntu from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf?
[18:56] <jamesjedimaster> blake__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179902
[18:57] <jamesjedimaster> kalp: what parameter do you need? nameserver?
[18:58] <blake__> Right I don't have grub set up. I remember having it when I used Debian Lenny though. Thanks for the link jamesjedimaster
[18:59] <zaccour> i'm about to try out kubuntu netbook remix
[18:59] <zaccour> for karmic alpha 5
[19:10] <shrey> How can i use my PC's Internet in my mobile using Bluetooth..i have MotoROKR
[19:10] <shrey> How can i use my PC's Internet in my mobile using Bluetooth..i have MotoROKR
[19:13] <mostafa_> is there anyone who knows parted magic to back up?
[19:13] <shrey> How can i use my PC's Internet in my mobile using Bluetooth..i have MotoROKR ? Pls help
[19:13] <kalp> jamesjedimaster: I enter the nameserver for one of the 2 networks i connect to , and everytime use the other, this one is erased, i have to enter the nameserver everytime i need to connect
[19:13] <ubuntu> wenas
[19:14] <jamesjedimaster> kalp: check this http://www.netbsd.org/docs/network/dhcp.html#keep-resolv-conf
[19:18] <kamikaze93> algun español?
[19:19] <jamesjedimaster> kamikaze93: /join kubuntu-es
[19:19] <kamikaze93> thanks (y)
[19:20] <mostafa_> anybody works with clonezilla for drive imaging?
[19:21] <mostafa_> anybody works with clonezilla for drive imaging?
[19:35] <kalp> does "wavrec" work in ur machine?
[19:40] <kalp> how to record wave files from terminal?
[19:40] <lukas__> kalp: arecord
[19:41] <kalp> lukas__: ;how to stop the recording?
[19:44] <sebastien__> Bonsoir
[19:44] <sebastien__> y a t'il un channel pour aide sur Ubuntu en francais ?
[19:44] <sebastien__> Does anyone know a support channel for Ubuntu in french ?
[19:44] <jamesjedimaster> sebastien__: !fr
[19:44] <Mamarok> !fr | sebastien__
[20:00] <Laeborg-lap> i have 3 computers: a workstation (kubuntu 9.04 64bits), a laptop (kubuntu 9.04 32bits) and a netbook (windows xp 32bits). I have these data i want to could access on all tree computers.
[20:00] <Laeborg-lap> I have thinking on some VPN, so I can access the data from school, but is there other ways ?
[20:00] <Laeborg-lap> The data should be stored on the workstation
[20:06] <lukas__> kalp: ctrl -c
[20:07] <kalp> lukas__: ya i killed it
[20:08] <sena> Laeborg-lap: you can configure ssh server and access the securely over ssh
[20:08] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: depends on where the data are stored
[20:08] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: ah, yes, then vpn to the workstation, internally samba
[20:08] <lukas__> so that you can access it on windows machine
[20:08] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: that what sena says is the most easy way probably -ssh and sftp/scp
[20:09] <Laeborg-lap> i need to access some files from my school and they have blocked port 22 :/
[20:09] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: and will you be on netbook/laptop there?
[20:09] <lukas__> or on school computer
[20:09] <Laeborg-lap> stupid retard "system administrators"
[20:09] <sena> Laeborg-lap: the most easy thing is some vnc server
[20:09] <Laeborg-lap> ye on my netbook
[20:09] <login__> #portoalegre
[20:10] <sena> then you can access the gui
[20:10] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: then you can configure your ssh daemon to start on another port :-)
[20:10] <Laeborg-lap> they have blocked for vnc too.
[20:10] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: you can access it eg on port 80
[20:10] <Laeborg-lap> almost every port exept 80 and 443 is blocked
[20:10] <lukas__> so use 443 and you will be ok
[20:11] <sena> Laeborg-lap: lukas__ is right
[20:11] <Laeborg-lap> setup ssh to use 443 ?
[20:11] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: yesss :-)
[20:11] <sena> and because the traffic is encrypted they can not guess who what why and so on
[20:11] <sena> its pretty neat thing
[20:12] <lukas__> yes, and finally if it is not 80, but 443, it wont be cached and parsed :-)
[20:12] <Laeborg-lap> :D
[20:13] <Laeborg-lap> but can i setup some kind of a network disk (i can use in windows too?) that i can access outside of the network ?
[20:17] <sena> Laeborg-lap: the NAS (network-attached storage) server can do this for you
[20:17] <sena> Laeborg-lap: some routers have this option to attach a usb external harddrive that is directly accessible from the network
[20:20] <slow-motion> hi
[20:22] <sena> did you say hi in slow-motion
[20:22] <slow-motion> dont know
[20:22] <fosk> hi
[20:29] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: yess, use some computer with linux and just choose which way to access it (ftp, samba, sftp, scp ..)
[20:31] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: or http ... - all you need is disc and linux :-)
[20:33] <lukas__> Laeborg-lap: or bsd ...
[20:41] <BluesKaj> lukas__, got any suggestions for mounting ntfs as a user in fstab ? I've researched this for a few days now , but yet to find a solution.
[20:43] <lukas__> BluesKaj: that should be easy
[20:43] <lukas__> wait
[20:45] <BluesKaj> lukas__, this is my fstab entry : /dev/sda1    /media/windows   fuse.ntfs auto,gid=1002,umask=0002    0    0  I can mount the partition with sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows , but I'd like it to automount at bootup.
[20:47] <lukas__> BluesKaj: oh, sorry, ntfs ...
[20:47] <lukas__> BluesKaj: which driver do you use for ntfs?
[20:47] <lukas__> ntfs3g?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> fuse ?
[20:48] <lukas__> BluesKaj: how do you mount it usually?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> lukas__, i think ntfs-3g is the default now
[20:48] <lukas__> then ...
[20:48] <BluesKaj> in the cli
[20:49] <lukas__> BluesKaj: what does it do?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows works fine but I'd like to automount it at bootup
[20:50] <lukas__> BluesKaj: if you add it into fstab and try mount /media/windows
[20:50] <lukas__> ...,
[20:50] <lukas__> ?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> lukas__, read above , i have an entry in fstab
[20:51] <lukas__> yes, then try just mount /media/windows
[20:51] <lukas__> I mean the command
[20:51] <lukas__> # mount /media/windows
[20:51] <BluesKaj> where
[20:51] <lukas__> or sudo mount ...
[20:51] <lukas__> if the fstab entry is ok then it will be mounted
[20:52] <BluesKaj> yes i do that now but, id like it to automatically mount with the command each time i boot into linux
[20:53] <lukas__> I understand, the reasons for not mounting it at boot time can be: 1) defect in /etc/fstab 2) not problems to mount, just not at boot
[20:54] <BluesKaj> yeah, I saw something about not umounting correctly at halt
[20:54] <lukas__> so, umount /media/windows
[20:54] <lukas__> then try exactly: # mount /media/windows
[20:54] <lukas__> (the command after #)
[20:55] <BluesKaj> with the # ?
[20:55] <lukas__> no
[20:56] <BluesKaj>  i'm getting a red 0 when i add the mount
[20:56] <BluesKaj> at the end of the line
[20:56] <lukas__> red 0 ?
[20:56] <BluesKaj> yes
[20:57] <lukas__> BluesKaj: look at man ntfs-3g
[20:57] <lukas__> there is example line to fstab
[20:57] <lukas__> /dev/sda5 /home/user/mnt ntfs-3g ro,uid=1000 0 0
[20:57] <lukas__> uid should be your id
[20:58] <BluesKaj> there's no uid
[20:58] <BluesKaj> just a gid , group, I believe
[20:59] <Robbi38> hello
[20:59] <lukas__> BluesKaj: then use gid
[20:59] <lukas__> BluesKaj: you can get it from id command
[20:59] <SuperMiguel> is kubuntu 9.04 using kde 4 stable ?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> ok, well i'm going to try your suggestion
[21:00] <SuperMiguel> or im better off using 3.5
[21:00] <BluesKaj> BBL
[21:03] <lukas__> SuperMiguel: well, I think it is considered to be stable
[21:24] <knuck887> hey all, i've got a 50 gig partition of ubuntu that's nicely set to my preferences. i've got an installation disk for both ubuntu and kubuntu, and want to install kubuntu through synaptic package manager
[21:25] <knuck887> will installing it through there take gigs out of my ubuntu partition already installed? or take free space from the 110 gigs of the old windows partition i accidentally deleted earlier
[21:27] <sena> knuck887: do you mean you want to install kde graphical user manager
[21:29] <sena> knuck887: because synaptic is package manager and as far as i know you can not install operating system with it
[21:29] <knuck887> i was looking from this
[21:29] <knuck887> s
[21:29] <knuck887> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[21:29] <FloodBotK1> knuck887: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:30] <knuck887> but basically, i had 160 gigs for windows, a friend accidentally deleted that thinking he was giving ubuntu 50 gigs, now 110 gigs of free space are floating around
[21:30] <knuck887> i want to install kubuntu and expand the ubuntu partition
[21:31] <knuck887> i'd rather not format my drive again, but i wouldn't really mind
[21:31] <James147> knuck887: you dont really need to install both kubuntu and ubuntu on 2 partitions, you can install kde and gnome on the same system and switch between them at the login screen
[21:32] <reboot_> how do i change from the ati driver to the vesa driver?
[21:32] <James147> knuck887: the only difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is the default packages they are installed with
[21:32] <knuck887> yeah, that's basically what i was picking up from that website. but by doing that, would that take disk space out of my ubuntu partition or the 110 gigs of free space on the disk?
[21:32] <sena> knuck887: or you can install kubuntu on new partiotion, you can even split that 110GB partition and install windoze as 3rd os
[21:32] <knuck887> eh, i gotta get a new os disk for windows later
[21:33] <knuck887> i'm on an hp and they didn't send a back up disk for whatever reason
[21:33] <sena> knuck887: if you install kde it will take only space from your 50GB ubuntu partition
[21:33] <James147> knuck887: if you install kde on a ubuntu system then it wont touch other hard drives, it will use space thats on your current drive
[21:33] <reboot_> do anybody know how i can change from the ati driver to the vesa driver?
[21:34] <sena> knuck887: it will be also not more than 100MB or less
[21:34] <knuck887> so would i have to install it from the disk at start up to take it from the empty disk space?
[21:35] <James147> knuck887: what i suggest is to expand the ubuntu partition to your desired size and install kubuntu-desktop through synaptic
[21:35] <knuck887> that's what i'd prefer to do. is there anything you can tell me about how to expand the 50 gig ubuntu partition?
[21:38] <reboot_> gparted
[21:38] <knuck887> i'm guessing that's an application to look up
[21:39] <reboot_> just instal it with synaptic and use it
[21:39] <reboot_> it should be quite logical
[21:39] <reboot_> unless it has changed drastically
[21:39] <knuck887> yeah, i've got it pulled up now, so i'll play around with it
[21:39] <knuck887> thanks everyone
[21:40] <reboot_> i need to change from the atidriver to the vesadriver, how can i do it?
[21:41] <reboot_> does anybody know anything about it?
[21:42] <BluesKaj> reboot_, remove the ati driver first, then in the terminal install the vesa , and reboot
[21:42] <reboot_> the vesadriver is installed
[21:42] <sena> reboot_: i think you can do that easily
[21:42] <sena> with the gui system setings menu
[21:42] <reboot_> how, i tried the xorg.conf file but it seems it doesn't work anymore
[21:42] <sena> go to monitor/display
[21:43] <sena> then howrdware
[21:43] <sena> admin mode
[21:43] <sena> select vesa
[21:43] <reboot_> i sit on another computer
[21:43] <reboot_> because the ati driver does not work
[21:43] <cutre> hi. i have problems with sound. it works on amarok and dragon, but it doesnt on vlc or firefox... anyone can guess why?
[21:44] <sena> are you in text mode .. console
[21:44] <reboot_> in recovery
[21:44] <BluesKaj> reboot_, the vesa driver won't be used until the ati driver is removed , and usually a reboot is required
[21:44] <reboot_> ok, guess i will try that then
[21:44] <reboot_> btw. is there no longer a way to do this manually?
[21:45] <reboot_> without uninstalling the driver?
[21:46] <BluesKaj> nope
[21:46] <reboot_> guess the world moves backwards afther all...
[21:47] <sena> reboot_: i think there is a way
[21:47] <sena> you need a generic xorg.conf file
[21:48] <sena> reboot_: you can find some with google or alike
[21:48] <reboot_> guess i can try that
[21:48] <sena> then replace your existing xorg.conf file (back it up first) then restart
[21:49] <sena> it si in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:49] <reboot_> i know
[21:49] <sena> ok
[21:49] <reboot_> thanks
[21:50] <sena> np :)
[21:51] <el_unico> quick question on in Kubuntu is there a way to change settings in the Kickoff Application Launcher to make it so you can scroll through my favorites, applications etc. by just placing the pointer on them vice having to click?
[21:52] <el_unico> nm I just figured it out.
[21:53] <el_unico> sorry to post such lame questions :)
[21:54] <sena> el_unico: there are no lame questions ;)
[22:01] <schestowitz> Itnel ICH
[22:12] <cutre> hi. i have problems with sound. it works on amarok and dragon, but it doesnt on vlc or firefox... anyone can guess why?
[22:14] <galen> chat
[22:38] <zaccour> is there somethin like gparted for kde?
[22:40] <filosofico> zaccour: qtparted ?
[22:42] <sena> zaccour: gparted is working on kde too
[22:50] <Dragnslcr> !info partitionmanager
[22:50] <Dragnslcr> For future reference
[23:06] <jajjeje> ai dios que lio
[23:06] <jajjeje> buenas
[23:08] <jajjeje> toy
[23:12] <zaccour> is there somethin like unetbootin for kde?
[23:13] <filosofico> Dragnslcr: I don't have heard 'partitionmanager' before. Thanks for the info ...
[23:14] <zaccour> is there somethin like unetbootin for kde?
[23:25] <Brhad56> Quick Poll.. Which is your favorite IRC Client?
[23:28] <cutre> hi. i have problems with sound. it works on amarok and dragon, but it doesnt on vlc or firefox... anyone can guess why?
[23:29] <Brhad56> cutre: when you close out of amarok and dragon and restart firefox, then does it work?
[23:29] <cutre> let me try
[23:30] <Spaceman> vlc has a lot of options for different sound systems, you need to select the advanced options and then play with the sound settings
[23:30] <cutre> yes, it does work
[23:31] <cutre> i ve played with them, but it didnt make a diference
[23:32] <Brhad56> cutre: Sounds like your having a sound configuration conflict.  You might simply try uninstalling pulseaudio and see if that works.  >sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio
[23:34] <cutre> Brhad56: you were right
[23:35] <Brhad56> cutre: both work at the same time now?
[23:36] <cutre> aye, i m playing now a flash video, an mp3 on amarok and a movie with vlc, and all work
[23:36] <Irving> hello all
[23:36] <cutre> hello Irving
[23:36] <Irving> do you play open arean?
[23:36] <Irving> *arena
[23:38] <cutre> Brhad56: thanks
[23:38] <Brhad56> cutre: np
[23:43] <Irving> im wondering if my video card is set up correctly
[23:43] <Irving> open arena is very slow even in the menus, i think it should run faster than it is
[23:47] <pitput> Should I install a clean copy or update to 9.10 when it comes out?


[13:51] <eth01> :/
[16:39] <jono> eh
[16:39] <soren> eh, indeed.
[16:48] <Zelut> jono: I think that's the first peep we've heard out of you in a long while.
[16:49] <jono> Zelut: heh, bit busy
[16:49] <Zelut> understandable
[16:49]  * Zelut wishes he could make LRL in SF this year :(


[06:03] <didrocks> bonjour !
[06:23] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:24] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:24] <seb128> re didrocks :-)
[06:33] <seb128> didrocks, I uploaded ubuntu-settings btw
[06:34] <didrocks> seb128: thanks for the notice! btw, upstream fixed the rhythmbox plugin
[06:34] <seb128> didrocks, I guess we should probably have a migration script that adds the new alternative toolbar to the active plugins in gsettings, wdyt?
[06:34] <seb128> ah, nice
[06:34] <didrocks> hum, yeah for people who changes their settings
[06:34] <didrocks> seb128: maybe put it in the plugin package?
[06:35] <seb128> yeah, I was unsure if we decided that was a rb thing
[06:35] <seb128> or just an Ubuntu session thing and would put it with the other migration bits
[06:36] <didrocks> well, it needs to be another script that the "unity -> g-s" one
[06:36] <didrocks> but yeah, you can add the script in ubuntu session if you want
[06:36] <didrocks> (just another script)
[06:36] <seb128> let me give it some consideration
[06:36] <seb128> there is no hurry doing that
[06:36] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:37] <didrocks> seb128: keep it noted down somewhere so that we don't forget :)
[06:37] <seb128> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[06:37] <seb128> didrocks, right
[06:37] <oSoMoN> seb128, très bien, et toi?
[06:37] <seb128> ça va bien, vendredi !
[06:37] <seb128> channel is going to be empty this afternoon
[06:38] <seb128> oSoMoN, you are off as well iirc?
[06:38] <didrocks> bon vendredi oSoMoN
[06:39] <oSoMoN> seb128, yes, I’m taking the afternoon off
[06:39] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks!
[06:39] <seb128> k, so we all 3 are off this afternoon
[06:39] <seb128> some people at debconf
[06:39] <seb128> going to be a quiet friday :-)
[06:39] <didrocks> no french contagency on Friday afternoon, oh my!
[06:41] <seb128> that's ok we don't have enough people from another language in the team that they could try to take over
[06:43] <duflu> umm, salut didrocks, seb128, oSoMoN
[06:43] <didrocks> hey duflu ;)
[06:44] <seb128> hey duflu, happy friday afternoon!
[06:44] <duflu> seb128, yes and no. I'm a bit unwell but only a few hours left
[06:45] <didrocks> seb128: rebased on ubuntu-settings, trying to keep your commits in mainline, even this bzr merge was painful… :p
[06:46] <didrocks> I guess I see the point of rebasing rather
[06:46] <didrocks> (to fix issues when they happen)
[06:47] <duflu> seb128, it appears pulseaudio will soon be unblocked: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abi-compliance-checker/1.99.22-1ubuntu1
[06:47] <seb128> duflu, oh, sorry to read that, you did good work this week you should just call it a day and go get some rest
[06:50] <seb128> duflu, right, I retried on amd64 but it picked the version in artful not artful-proposed
[06:51] <seb128> didrocks, do you remember how to trigger an autopkgtest telling it to use artful-proposed?
[06:51] <didrocks> seb128: you mean, trigger one package in -proposed, telling to use another package from -proposed?
[06:51]  * didrocks looks at it bash history
[06:51] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:51] <seb128> yes
[06:52] <didrocks> my bash history doesn't go that far :(
[06:52] <seb128> I didn't migrate my irc log over to that disk
[06:54] <duflu> seb128, my simplest suggestion is to enable proposed then just 'apt install ...' one package, then disable proposed. Maybe there is a simpler way?
[06:54] <duflu> with apt update too
[06:58] <seb128> duflu, we don't have login access to that infra, there is a command to try the retry and you can tell it to use proposed with some flag or something iirc
[06:59] <duflu> seb128, yeah no problem. Ignore it for a while :)
[07:24] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 oSoMoN didrocks duflu
[07:24] <duflu> Morning flexiondotorg
[07:24] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[07:24] <oSoMoN> good morning flexiondotorg
[07:24] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Back from holiday. So still feeling fresh :-)
[07:24] <seb128> that's good
[07:24] <flexiondotorg> What 's new in desktop land?
[07:25] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg, welcome back!
[07:25] <flexiondotorg> didrocks o/
[07:26] <flexiondotorg> didrocks So you pinged me about gschema overrides a few days ago?
[07:26] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: indeed, I think if you rely on our overrides (like the ones coming from ubuntu-settings package), you will need to add "ubuntu" to DesktopNames
[07:27] <didrocks> if you are using different schemas… no need to worry :p
[07:27] <flexiondotorg> Let me check...
[07:28] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: also, if you override other schemas like gnome or unity ones, we'll need to talk to not trash other settings ;)
[07:29] <flexiondotorg> I override one com.ubuntu gschema.
[07:29] <flexiondotorg> [com.ubuntu.update-manager]
[07:29] <flexiondotorg> show-details=true
[07:29] <flexiondotorg> show-versions=true
[07:29] <flexiondotorg> And serveral org.gnome schemas
[07:30] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: what does XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP shows?
[07:30] <flexiondotorg> Are all the Ubuntu gschema overrides committed?
[07:30] <flexiondotorg> MATE
[07:31] <didrocks> ok, I suggest thus that you add :MATE to those overrides
[07:31] <didrocks> so that they only apply to you
[07:31] <didrocks> (it's working only with the glib in proposed right now)
[07:31] <didrocks> like:
[07:31] <didrocks> [com.ubuntu.update-manager:MATE]
[07:31] <didrocks> ofc, do that only for settings from the mate packages ;)
[07:31] <flexiondotorg> Understood.
[07:31] <didrocks> basically, the idea is:
[07:31] <didrocks> - defaults are overriden
[07:32] <didrocks> - if the user change something, it's then global to all DE
[07:32] <didrocks> as it's a user perference
[07:32] <didrocks> preference*
[07:33] <flexiondotorg> If I added the :MATE suffix now, before new glibc is out of proposed will it break anything?
[07:33] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: it's libglib, yeah, before it's out of proposed, you won't see you overrides
[07:33] <flexiondotorg> OK
[07:33] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: so, you don't install /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_ubuntu-settings.gschema.override, correct?
[07:34] <flexiondotorg> What is the ETA for it being promoted from proposed?
[07:34] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: once autopkgtest works
[07:34] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: you can add ppa:ubuntu-desktop/transitions
[07:34] <didrocks> if you want to test :)
[07:35] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: if you rely on /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_ubuntu-settings.gschema.override settings as well, we can make that works out for you
[07:35] <flexiondotorg> didrocks 10_ubuntu-settings.gschema.override is NOT installed on Ubuntu MATE.
[07:35] <didrocks> ok :)
[07:35] <didrocks> even better, the net benefit is that if people install it, you won't be impacted anymore :)
[07:35] <didrocks> (as we use :ubuntu postfix)
[07:35] <didrocks> which is in unity and G-S sessions
[07:36] <flexiondotorg> I assume org.onboard and org.yorba should be modified in my overrides too?
[07:38] <didrocks> onboard is global
[07:38] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25288819/
[07:38]  * flexiondotorg looks...
[07:39] <flexiondotorg> Understood.
[07:40] <didrocks> thanks flexiondotorg, tell me if you need any help :)
[07:40] <flexiondotorg> Some of the org.gnome override in Ubuntu MATE are the same as the Global overrides in that paste.
[07:40] <flexiondotorg> So I assume I leave those as Global in my overrides too?
[07:41] <didrocks> sure, if they are the same, just keep them
[07:41] <didrocks> or install ubuntu-settings
[07:41] <didrocks> as you will be able to safely do it now :)
[07:41] <didrocks> (less maintenance, sensible distro-wide defaults)
[07:48] <davmor2> Morning all
[07:49] <duflu> Morning davmor2
[07:52] <oSoMoN> hey davmor2
[07:52] <flexiondotorg> davmor2 o/
[07:53] <flexiondotorg> didrocks A question.
[07:53] <flexiondotorg> MATE Tweak is a utility that tweaks things.
[07:53] <didrocks> (good naming! ;))
[07:53] <flexiondotorg> In some cases I will tweak metacity settings
[07:54] <flexiondotorg> Should that also only tweak settings in the :MATE context?
[07:54] <didrocks> no, this isn't working like this
[07:54] <didrocks> you only define "defaults" in the overrides
[07:54] <flexiondotorg> Or is that effectively a user applied setting?
[07:54] <didrocks> default for your desktop
[07:54] <didrocks> then
[07:54] <didrocks> user applied settings are user decision
[07:54] <flexiondotorg> Excellent.
[07:54] <didrocks> which will impact all desktops for that particular setting
[07:54] <flexiondotorg> Thanks.
[07:54] <didrocks> I guess that's what make more sense
[07:55] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[07:55] <didrocks> yw! and it's the easiest to deal with ;)
[07:58] <flexiondotorg> didrocks https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-settings/commit/05cb494dc5ba17abb95d0b23ed223558ff29e372
[08:00] <flexiondotorg> didrocks Can you ping me when new libglib is promoted please and I'll upload the new ubuntu-mate-settings.
[08:07] <seb128> flexiondotorg, you can upload and make it depends on the new glib or blocked in proposed as well if you want
[08:08] <flexiondotorg> That is a good idea seb128 :-)
[08:08] <willcooke> happy Friday all
[08:08] <seb128> hey willcooke, happy friday
[08:12] <seb128> didrocks, hum, I tried added the gnome-software .desktop to /usr/share/ubuntu-wayland
[08:12] <seb128> #fail
[08:13] <seb128> duflu, indeed, the abi-compliance-checker update works, see the most recent pulseaudio entry on https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/cinnamon-desktop/artful/amd64
[08:13] <seb128> duflu, I retried it with proposed on other arches as well now
[08:14] <duflu> seb128, cool. Although I might have a pulseaudio SRU ready for xenial before artful is done :)
[08:14] <seb128> shouldn't make a difference on what happens to the artful update
[08:14] <seb128> hopefully it migrates today though
[08:20] <seb128> duflu, you looked at some of the themes issues, do you know if it's know that some dialog don't have "borders", like in firefox the "clear recenty history" one (ctrl-shit-del)
[08:21] <duflu> seb128, If it's a native Wayland app then that's expected. Otherwise, yes I think I have seen that bug reported but not sure where
[08:22] <seb128> is that a shell or theme issue or not a bug and just me getting confused by normal things?
[09:00] <seb128> hum, it looks like the gnome-keyring ssh agent doesn't work for me in artful
[09:00] <seb128> does it work for others?
[09:02] <willcooke> seb128, how do I test?
[09:03] <seb128> willcooke, ssh to a canonical box for example
[09:03] <seb128> well if you are not using ssh-agent
[09:03] <seb128> look at what your SSH_AUTH_SOCK env is pointing to
[09:03] <willcooke> Dont think I am, I'm using a config file in my .ssh
[09:03] <willcooke> lemme set it up
[09:04] <seb128> don't
[09:04] <seb128> I'm tested basic install
[09:04] <seb128> I guess ssh-agent is working, I just mentioned it in case you installed it (systemd tend to do that)
[09:04] <seb128> ssh-agent works probably but I'm interested in the default GNOME one
[09:05] <seb128> so if you didn't configure anything then it's good :-)
[09:05] <seb128> didrocks, btw bug #1710100
[09:13] <didrocks> seb128: known, and on my todo :)
[09:14] <seb128> didrocks, was it reported? I didn't find it
[09:14] <didrocks> seb128: no report, on my own todo :)
[09:14] <seb128> k
[09:14] <didrocks> but yeah, I tried thinking about various approaches to avoid including this
[09:14] <seb128> well know it's on the public list, be careful, people might watch you :p
[09:15] <didrocks> seb128: I wonder if it's not better to add DESKTOP instead of SESSION
[09:15] <didrocks> like take the list, and add them one after another
[09:15] <didrocks> or, just transitionning to a different name
[09:16] <didrocks> with OnlyShowIn
[09:16] <didrocks> which might be better IMHO
[09:16] <seb128> didrocks, I created https://trello.com/c/Xxauefnc/241-review-xsessiond-script-to-see-if-we-miss-anything-under-wayland
[09:16] <didrocks> like org.gnome.SoftwareUbuntu.desktop
[09:16] <didrocks> yeah, better to look for the other scripts :)
[09:16] <seb128> sorry
[09:16] <seb128> https://trello.com/c/Xxauefnc/241-review-xsessiond-scripts-to-see-if-we-miss-anything-under-wayland
[09:16] <didrocks> so useful
[09:17] <seb128> (changed the title to fix a typo)
[09:17] <didrocks> yeah, that's good
[09:17] <didrocks> so I'm really in favor of removing this XDG_DATA_DIR change
[09:17] <didrocks> on a second thought
[09:17] <seb128> why?
[09:17] <didrocks> and we just go with different destkop name
[09:17] <didrocks> well, it's only for one desktop file nowdays
[09:17] <seb128> it's somewhat similar to https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3398
[09:18] <seb128> we can probably do those if https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/environment.d.html
[09:18] <didrocks> it was for a lot of things in the UNE days
[09:18] <didrocks> this is with systemd --user, correct?
[09:18] <seb128> yes
[09:18] <didrocks> unsure how it's going to work if other variables will be accessible
[09:18] <seb128> which L_aney is going to bring back to us, right? ;-)
[09:18] <didrocks> because it's gnome-session setting it IIRC
[09:19] <didrocks> we'll see
[09:19] <seb128> anyway we can probably do the gnome-software one differently
[09:19] <didrocks> yeah
[09:19] <didrocks> as it's the only one
[09:19] <seb128> but we are likely going to hit that issue anyway
[09:19] <seb128> e.g that snapd bug
[09:19] <seb128> flatpak is having the same problem
[09:19] <didrocks> they can add it themselves
[09:19] <didrocks> won't be the same patch anyway
[09:19] <didrocks> as we would based on DESKTOP name
[09:19] <didrocks> they won't
[09:20] <seb128> right
[09:20] <seb128> but I mean updating envs on login
[09:20] <didrocks> yeah, that will be needed
[09:20] <seb128> things we used to do in Xsession.d
[09:20] <didrocks> unsure we should do it for that particular case though
[09:20] <seb128> anyway, we have the trello card
[09:20] <didrocks> yep
[09:20] <seb128> and you have the gnome-software one on your todo
[09:20] <seb128> so we should be good :-)
[09:20] <didrocks> indeed :p
[09:20] <didrocks> just will do that post-FF
[09:20] <didrocks> after all the current things are implemented ;)
[09:21] <seb128> right
[09:21] <seb128> bah, I really hate the hotcorner, I disabled mouseover to open it but I still trigger it by error
[09:21] <duflu> seb128, gnome-keyring-daemon you say? Yeah it seems to cause bug 1707828 for me
[09:22] <seb128> I tend to select text up to top of a gedit view by clicking at the bottom and doing a dnd far top-left, until the screen corner
[09:22] <seb128> and release button
[09:22] <seb128> that opens the overview now :-/
[09:24] <didrocks> well, it's disabled here :p
[09:24] <didrocks> and will be in a distro near you next Friday ;)
[09:25] <seb128> hehe
[09:25] <seb128> disabled completely?
[09:26] <seb128> no way to open the overview with a mouse then?
[09:26] <seb128> I though we were disabling the proximity, not the clicking
[09:27] <didrocks> you were talking about the hotcorner
[09:27] <didrocks> that's the part which is disabled
[09:27] <didrocks> not the click of course
[09:27] <seb128> well what I described "clicks"
[09:27] <seb128> the mouse release is taken as a click
[09:28] <seb128> or it's a bug in the extension I'm using to disable the hot corner
[09:30] <didrocks> oh
[09:31] <didrocks> could be a bug in your extension
[09:31] <didrocks> I don't reproduce it
[09:33] <seb128> good
[09:47] <willcooke_> Sitting in the garden with my new laptop!
[09:48] <willcooke_> Screen is holding up well compared to the x220
[09:48] <flexiondotorg> willcooke_ What did you get?
[09:48] <willcooke_> flexiondotorg, x270. Really like it, but the spacebar is annoying
[09:48] <willcooke_> it doesnt register unless you really twat it
[09:48] <willcooke_> Otherwise the keyboard is lovely
[09:49] <willcooke_> the touchpad is really nice too
[09:53] <ahayzen> duflu, FWIW bug 1707828 sounds really similar to bug 1644323 - if you see comments #1 and #2 they also mention gnome-keyring
[09:53] <duflu> ahayzen, yeah side effects...
[09:57] <duflu> ahayzen, but also other bugs I have dealt with... 25 seconds means dbus
[09:57] <ahayzen> right :-)
[10:03]  * duflu -> dinner, weekend
[11:25]  * oSoMoN disappears for the week-end
[11:25] <willcooke_> have a good one oSoMoN
[11:25] <oSoMoN> thanks willcooke_, you too
[14:57] <phil9x> Looking to test 17.10 for bugs
[15:31] <sunweaver> some notes on my DebConf17 talk about Ubuntu Indicators -> Ayatana Indicators https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/60
[15:31] <sunweaver> xnox: please review...
[15:48] <kenvandine> jdstrand, your wayland socket detection works fine for me on artful (both wayland and non-wayland sessions)
[15:48] <kenvandine> jdstrand, are you on 16.04?
[15:48]  * kenvandine thinks you already said you are :)
[15:49] <jdstrand> kenvandine: I am on artful. I tested on xenial in a vm
[15:50] <kenvandine> interesting
[15:50] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i don't have a socket in that dir
[15:50] <jdstrand> kenvandine: you need to use my https://code.launchpad.net/~jdstrand/+git/gnome-logs-udt.jdstrand.bin
[15:51] <jdstrand> kenvandine: you don't have /run/user/1000/wayland-0?
[15:51] <kenvandine> jdstrand, no
[15:51] <jdstrand> kenvandine: then you aren't running under wayland. I needed to install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and an additional gnome-wayland package (I forget the exact name otoh)
[15:51] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i tested it with quadrapassel and gnome-sudoku from the store
[15:51] <jdstrand> apt-cache wayland|grep gnome
[15:52] <jdstrand> that would find it ^
[15:52] <kenvandine> jdstrand, no... i did have that socket under wayland :)
[15:52] <kenvandine> i'm saying the snaps worked in both wayland and non-wayland sessions
[15:52] <kenvandine> i did have the socket under wayland
[15:52] <kenvandine> and i don't under x11
[15:53] <jdstrand> kenvandine: the problem with my shell script is when you run gdm3, it runs under wayland. therefore the socket is always there. when you start the gnome-shell/X under the gdm3 wayland, my detection logic adds those env vars, which forces those apps to use wayland, but mutter isn't running
[15:53] <kenvandine> jdstrand, so you detection mechanism seems good to me
[15:53] <kenvandine> jdstrand, but gdm3 isn't running under my user
[15:53] <kenvandine> so the socket isn't in /run/user/1000/wayland-0
[15:54] <kenvandine> gdm       2594  0.0  0.0 190428  4136 tty1     Ssl+ 09:31   0:00 /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-wayland-session gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart
[15:54] <jdstrand> I definitely saw it. I then don't know why it was there. if you are satisfied (as a desktop expert, which I am not), feel free to commit it. any bugs can be fixed later
[15:56] <kenvandine> jdstrand, yeah i have /run/user/121/wayland-0
[15:56] <kenvandine> uid 121 is the gdm user
[15:57] <kenvandine> gdm can't create the socket under your user, so should be safe
[15:57] <kenvandine> i wonder if maybe what you saw was a socket left around from some crash or something?
[15:58] <jdstrand> kenvandine: idk
[15:58] <jdstrand> kenvandine: I logged out of wayland session, then logged back into X. the socket was still there
[15:58] <kenvandine> jdstrand, mind trying again?
[16:01] <jbicha> btw, this just landed in gdm, maybe it will fix some of our problems with logging out and logging in to a different session
[16:01] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?id=9bd3c5f04
[16:02] <kenvandine> jdstrand, oh... maybe that's the bug you hit
[16:02] <kenvandine> apparently you could have the user session left running after logout
[16:02] <kenvandine> great...
[16:03] <Laney> that is definitely a bug we have atm
[16:03] <Laney> not sure that commit in particular will fix it, seems specific to classic mode
[16:03] <kenvandine> i'd guess if the user session is still around, maybe the socket might be there too
[16:03] <Laney> somehow you get a random invalid dbus session
[16:03] <Laney> I didn't look into it yet
[16:03] <Laney> but I will definitely do so soon
[16:04] <kenvandine> oh, yeah this might not actually fix the root of the problem
[16:04] <jdstrand> that may be the bug. not sure how that commit makes the wayland socket go away...
[16:04] <kenvandine> just fix a symptom
[16:04] <kenvandine> yeah, after looking further it doesn't really fix it
[16:04] <Laney> the user session stuff I demoed at guadec doesn't exhibit this bug btw
[16:04] <kenvandine> but sounds like that could be a case that might keep the socket
[16:04] <Laney> but not really ready to push that
[16:04] <kenvandine> Laney, yay
[17:14] <willcooke_> night all
[18:38] <kenvandine> woot... my simple-scan classic snaps works just as well as the deb install for me :)
[18:38] <kenvandine> which happens to fail
[18:38] <jbicha> ship it! ;)


[02:38] <ahoneybun> so now we can have locos in countys>? like a Broward County Ubuntu LoCo?
[02:38] <ahoneybun> hey Bryanstein
[02:39] <mhall119> ahoneybun: only if we had a good reason for it, which we don't
[02:40] <ahoneybun> mhall119, oh ok
[02:40] <mhall119> ahoneybun: the policy is to try and keep loco teams at the *country* level
[02:40] <mhall119> USA has a blanket exception that allows per-state teams
[02:40] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I dont like that picture from fossetcon
[02:41] <ahoneybun> http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/092014/fossetcon2014_02.jpg
[02:41] <ahoneybun> I have such a mean face XD
[02:44] <mhall119> ahoneybun: nah, you look fine
[02:44] <ahoneybun> lol you all look like you belong lol
[02:46]  * ahoneybun is cheating on Ubuntu Touch
[03:34] <JoseeAntonioR> that reminds me, I need to upload pictures I took
[03:34]  * JoseeAntonioR keeps reading Philosophy texts