[05:50]  * Kilos greets those awake
[07:03] <Kilos> whew PTA peeps gonna suffer today if they go outdoors
[07:03] <Kilos> wind coming straight off the snow in lesotho
[07:09]  * Kilos send for some eskimo dna
[07:09] <Kilos> sends
[08:28] <magespawn> gc_ join ##kilos
[08:28] <gc_> magespawn: I'm not your bitch
[08:28] <Kilos> haha
[08:28] <Kilos> hiya mage
[08:28] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[08:28] <magespawn> what the?
[08:29] <Kilos> lol
[08:29] <magespawn>  bit of an attitude for so early in the weekend
[08:29] <Kilos> rofl
[08:29] <magespawn> brb
[08:29] <Kilos> you need to auth admin
[08:29] <magespawn> gc_ leave #ubuntu-za
[08:29] <gc_> magespawn: I'm not your bitch
[08:30] <magespawn> gc_ die
[08:30] <gc_> magespawn: I'm not going to listen to you
[08:30] <magespawn> lol
[08:30] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:30] <magespawn> worked fine with gc but not with gc_
[08:31] <Kilos> where the tail came from
[08:31] <magespawn> not too sure, think I set that as the alternate nick
[08:31] <magespawn> hold I know what is wrong brb
[08:32] <Kilos> mine didnt give the choice
[08:32] <magespawn> gc_ join ##kilos
[08:32] <gc_> magespawn: Joining ##kilos
[08:32] <Kilos> what was it
[08:32] <magespawn> i had not identified with nickserv
[08:32] <Kilos> ah
[08:33] <Kilos> tell me something please
[08:33] <magespawn> okay
[08:33] <Kilos> whats the diffs between ddr and ddr2
[08:33] <Kilos> this mb can use either and 2g max for both
[08:34] <Kilos> not this one the ecs
[08:34] <magespawn> ddr2 is faster, and has a different pin count or arrangement if I remember correctly.
[08:35] <Kilos> ya more pins. but is it just faster? thats the diffs
[08:35] <magespawn> yes
[08:35] <Kilos> ty
[08:35] <magespawn> no worries
[08:35] <Kilos> was thinking maybe the ddr would be cheaper
[08:36] <magespawn> i think that you would not be able to find it at all
[08:36] <Kilos> oh
[08:37] <magespawn> most new mb take ddr3
[08:37] <Kilos> yeah so i see, they phasing out old stuff
[08:38] <magespawn> yes, but if you can find someone  with old stock you can pick it really cheap.
[08:40] <Kilos> when i got going here i tried 2 second hand pc /repair/upgrade shops and they charged me stacks
[08:40] <Kilos> like R150 for 128m rams
[08:41] <magespawn> that is made, but maybe people have worked out that it is getting scarce
[08:41] <Kilos> didnt know then what ram actually did so got one at a time
[08:43] <magespawn> did you keep it?
[08:44] <Kilos> yeah got one in swaars p2 and one in my P3
[08:44] <magespawn> so that worked out okay then
[08:46] <Kilos> but this P4 struggled on 256 and only came alive when i added 1x 256 and 1 x 256
[08:46] <Kilos> so have 640 here
[08:46] <Kilos> this pc cant take ddrs still sdr
[08:46] <Kilos> same as p3
[08:47] <Kilos> so getting that ecs mb going is gonna be like a new world all over again
[08:48] <Kilos> just scared it isnt linux friendly
[08:48] <Kilos> have the install cd to use with winsucks though
[08:49] <magespawn> it should be okay with linux
[08:50] <magespawn> I have not found very many that do not work with it
[08:51] <Kilos> good to hear
[08:52] <Kilos> are you on a pc at work?
[08:53] <magespawn> yup
[08:53] <Kilos> have you found the site that has ddr2 for R139
[08:53] <magespawn> did not have a look
[08:54] <Kilos> ah, all others wanted 250 or more
[08:58] <magespawn> then it is quite a good deal
[08:59] <Kilos> yeah
[09:09] <magespawn> i am out of here for now cheers Kilos
[09:09] <Kilos> cheers magespawn
[14:21] <Kilos> hi not_found and others
[14:21] <not_found> hello uncle Kilos
[14:21] <Kilos> meet tomorrow night hey neil
[14:22] <Kilos> are you neiloosza
[14:23] <not_found> that is I ;)
[14:23] <Kilos> lol welcome to out twit
[14:23] <not_found> got my first android phone so it added everyone on my e-mail to twitter :p
[14:23] <Kilos> ah
[14:24]  * not_found is worried, his phone is smarter than he is :(
[14:25] <Kilos> haha never fear i have same prob with pcs. but i control the power cord
[14:26] <not_found> good to be in control :)
[14:26] <Kilos> hehe
[14:26] <not_found> I will be home so I have no excuse if I don't pitch up for the meeting
[14:26] <Kilos> good i will remember that
[14:28] <not_found> :p
[14:30] <Kilos> we got all day power cuts tuesday and thursday
[14:31] <Kilos> thought id mention it now before i forget
[14:35] <not_found> :(
[15:03] <charl> hi all
[15:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[15:33] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[15:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/438/detail/
[15:33] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[15:33] <nuvolari> Kilos: naand oom
[15:34] <nuvolari> Kilos, inetpro I've updated the agenda with 2 items from the last meeting that we didn't get to
[15:34] <Kilos> naand nuvolari charl
[15:34]  * nuvolari skel vodacom uit
[15:35] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit oom Kilos ?
[15:35] <Kilos> lol
[15:35] <Kilos> koud hier man
[15:35] <Kilos> baie
[15:35] <Kilos> lelike wind van die sneeu af
[15:35] <nuvolari> joh, hier ook oom!
[15:35] <Kilos> ai
[15:36] <nuvolari> meh. die wind was te kwaai vandag :-/ kon nie vlieg nie :P
[15:36] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:37] <Kilos> as dit nie vir skape oppas nie het ek heel dag innie bed gebly
[15:38] <nuvolari> oom moet 'n lassie kry wat oom kan uitstuur vir die skape!
[15:38] <Kilos> lmga
[15:39] <Kilos> dan moet ek opstaan om die ding te voer anyway
[15:40] <nuvolari> maar dan hoef oom darm nie buitekant te hol nie :P
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Kilos> lassies kannie hekke oop en toe sluit nie
[15:41] <inetpro> Kilos: ek dink dis tyd dat nuvolari 'n paar skape aanhou sodat hy ook bietjie vras lug kan skep
[15:41] <inetpro> vars*
[15:41] <nuvolari> inetpro: dis waarvoor die helikoptertjie daar is :P
[15:41] <Kilos> hahaha hy kry baie met die helpkopter
[15:41] <nuvolari> dan kom ek immers in die parkie
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <inetpro> nuvolari: ja maar jy het so pas die verskoning gemaak van dat jy nie kon vlieg in die wind nie
[15:42] <nuvolari> maar op 'n dag soos vandag sluit ek myself in, te veel wind en koue
[15:42] <Kilos> dan kom hy huis toe na n uur se vlieg en se sjoe nou is ek moeg
[15:42] <inetpro> jy sien
[15:42] <nuvolari> lol
[15:43]  * nuvolari sal die waaier voor die deur sit vir vars lug
[15:43] <Kilos> jy moet gaan draf elke dag man
[15:43] <Kilos> lo smile
[15:43] <nuvolari> hello smile
[15:44] <smile> hallo Kilos & nuvolari :D
[15:44] <smile> :)
[15:45] <Kilos> smile you know this one <3
[15:45] <inetpro> smile: vir wat smile jy so breed?
[15:45] <inetpro> goeienaand smile
[15:45] <Kilos> haha hy is verslaaf aan die goed
[15:45] <smile> inetpro: goeienaand. alles goed? :p
[15:46] <smile> Kilos: yes it's a heart :)
[15:46] <Kilos> aha
[15:46] <inetpro> alles wel dankie, net vrek koud, al moet ek self sê
[15:46] <Kilos> oh do they show there by you ff thing
[15:46] <smile> inetpro: wat noem jy koud? :p
[15:48] <inetpro> smile: it's uncomfortably chilly in Pretoria, much colder than the norm
[15:48]  * nuvolari bly eerder stil... Vrystaat booitjie wat besig is om te verkluim in Durban
[15:49] <Kilos> smile we have a strong wind blowing from the snow on the drakensburg to us
[15:49] <smile> inetpro: well we have lots more rain now. in two weeks we got the rain for our whole summer :|
[15:50] <smile> :(
[15:51] <smile> Kilos: and it makes the temperature colder? :|
[15:51] <Kilos> yeah lots
[15:51] <inetpro> smile: beyond any doubt
[15:52] <smile> :p
[15:52] <Kilos> temp would have been 21°c but was around 10°c in the wind
[15:52] <smile> what? :|
[15:52] <Kilos> not what, i beg your pardon
[15:53] <smile> that's warm for our winter :D i would be happy with that ^^
[15:53] <smile> but I understand you aren't ;)
[15:53] <nuvolari> you got my pardon Kilos
[15:53] <nuvolari> :P
[15:53] <Kilos> lol
[15:53]  * inetpro wbbl
[15:53] <Kilos> smile we arent thick skinned
[15:53] <Kilos> ok inetpro
[15:54] <smile> Kilos: just a t shirt? :p
[15:54] <Kilos> lol i have a winter shirt and track suit top and a sheepskin leather jacket on
[15:55] <Kilos> + track pants and corduroys
[15:55] <smile> :)
[15:55] <Kilos> but still suffer inna wind
[15:55]  * nuvolari looks at his shirt and jeans and realise why it's cold :P
[15:55] <Kilos> lol
[15:56] <smile> nuvolari: lol lol :p
[15:56] <smile> can someone suggest some Afrikaanse music? :p
[15:56] <nuvolari> smile: Chris Chameleon
[15:56] <smile> I mean: written and song in Afrikaans
[15:56] <smile> :p
[15:57] <smile> nuvolari: dankie!
[15:57] <Kilos> hey smile have you watched jamie uys movies
[15:57] <nuvolari> smile: yeah, he's pretty good at writing good Afrikaans music (not your everyday music, but it's fun to listen)
[15:58] <smile> nuvolari: I can understand it :)
[15:58] <smile> Kilos: I think so.. :p but I think I've forgotten the contents ;)
[15:58] <Kilos> haha forgetting at your age
[15:58] <smile> well yeah :|
[15:59] <Kilos> try watch beautiful people
[15:59] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, it's the tech-age's fault
[15:59] <nuvolari> we depend on it too much
[15:59] <Kilos> a google
[15:59] <nuvolari> and thus forget to use our own memory
[15:59] <smile> let's google: memory loss :p
[16:00] <Kilos> ya the tech age does mess with brain developement some i think
[16:00] <nuvolari> what did you want to google for again?
[16:00] <smile> xD
[16:00] <Kilos> smile, beautiful people by jamie uys
[16:00] <Kilos> lol
[16:01] <smile> it's a movie? @ Kilos
[16:01] <Kilos> yes
[16:01] <smile> in which language it's written? :)
[16:02] <Kilos> http://www.amazon.com/Animals-Are-Beautiful-People-Jamie/dp/B00008MTY4
[16:02] <Kilos> english i think
[16:02] <Kilos> some of his other movies are english afrikaans
[16:03] <smile> okay I understand ;)
[16:03] <nuvolari> oh my word
[16:03] <smile> let's download :p
[16:03] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Uys
[16:03] <nuvolari> the youtube version of Chris' videos are a lot more different than the official CD's
[16:04] <smile> Kilos: 1974 ? :p
[16:05] <Kilos> ya
[16:05] <Kilos> great movies he made
[16:05] <Kilos> funny too
[16:07] <smile> I'll watch the animals video then :)
[16:07] <smile> 10% done already
[16:07] <nuvolari> smile: this is one of my favourites from Chris Chameleon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtJUf3qMFzk
[16:08] <smile> nuvolari: I like this one :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m5PzXsejDk
[16:10] <charl> hi Kilos
[16:10] <charl> hi smile, nuvolari
[16:10] <smile> hi charl :p
[16:10] <nuvolari> karretjie keusenkamp, lorretjie raugh
[16:10] <nuvolari> smile: ^^ nog ouer kunstenaars wat jy dalk kan like
[16:10] <nuvolari> *dalk van kan hou
[16:10] <nuvolari> hello charl
[16:11] <nuvolari> meer korrek: Laurika Rauch
[16:11] <smile> nuvolari: brb :p
[16:11] <Kilos> karieke was my tyd
[16:11] <Kilos> karieka
[16:11] <charl> ooh i also want such a cute maid
[16:11] <Kilos> sjoe vergeet hou spel een dit
[16:12] <nuvolari> charl: Chris'? yeah...
[16:12]  * nuvolari wish :P
[16:12] <charl> yeah !
[16:12] <charl> oohh this is old music!
[16:13] <nuvolari> charl: yeah... where you can still hear what they are singing! lol
[16:14] <charl> if i could get a maid like that to bring me my breakfast every morning i would walk around like this the whole day: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/191/809/me_gusta_mucho_by_megustamuchoplz-d416uqk.png
[16:14] <nuvolari> lol
[16:15] <charl> the alternative is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pre0fZYbsTo
[16:15] <charl> very corny but funny
[16:15] <charl> in dutch they would say those are indeed "lekkere meiden" in that video
[16:16] <nuvolari> wow, I'm finding all the gems on youtube
[16:17] <nuvolari> it's been ages since I've heard some of these
[16:17] <Kilos> yo Trixar_za you very quiet
[16:18] <Trixar_za> Sorry, I'm reading up on NIALL
[16:18] <Kilos> np carry on
[16:18] <Trixar_za> It had a very interesting way of building up responses without relying on an existing statistical model
[16:19] <Kilos> stop swearing, its sunday
[16:19] <charl> lol
[16:20] <charl> far too complicated talk for an otherwise relaxing sunday afternoon\
[16:20] <nuvolari> Kilos: is smile learning afrikaans?
[16:20] <Kilos> yeah he is quite good already
[16:20] <nuvolari> ooh, he'll like thiss
[16:21] <nuvolari> smile: Tussen Treine by Richard van der Westhuizen, with lyrics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OXUpH4dy2g&feature=related
[16:21] <Kilos> he wrote a chat client or modified one or something for english dutch and afrikaans
[16:21] <Trixar_za> Eh, it just kept track of how often words appeared together and where in a sentence they appeared. It then built up responses using those words. Sometimes it made sense and sometimes it didn't. It's just very interesting to me :P
[16:21] <Kilos> ah le daar n stasie
[16:22] <charl> lol i just came off the train an hour ago
[16:22] <Kilos> ah similar to chat bots Trixar_za ?
[16:23] <Kilos> charl, train from where to where
[16:23] <Kilos> oh ya you far away
[16:23] <charl> just to a neighbouring city and back
[16:23] <Kilos> oh ya nuvolari en wat van de la rey
[16:24] <charl> not too far, few minutes basically
[16:24] <Kilos> ah
[16:24] <charl> that's a nice politically charged song that
[16:24] <charl> not that i mind it
[16:24] <Trixar_za> Yes, but most chat bots uses models like Markov Chains to work out which word pairs (two words that appear next to each other often) can be combined. It's more or less accurate depending on the amount of current data. That's why Google uses them too
[16:25] <Kilos> its about too long ago to be politically charged still
[16:25] <smile> thanks nuvolari :)
[16:25] <smile> nuvolari: ja ek is besig met Afrikaans lere :p
[16:25] <smile> * leer ? :p
[16:25] <Trixar_za> Artificial Intelligence has become somewhat of a hobby of mine
[16:25] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:25] <nuvolari> smile: "Ja, ek is besig om Afriaans te leer"
[16:26] <smile> dankie vir jou verbetering / korreksie :p
[16:26] <charl> Trixar_za: most attempts at "artificial intelligence" resembles "artificial stupidity" more :)
[16:26] <Kilos> smile, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlHqKJyo3GQ
[16:26] <nuvolari> smile: no problem :) I'll do them when I can if you don't mind?
[16:27] <smile> I don't mind :p
[16:28] <Kilos> smile, say please do, thats how one learns
[16:28] <smile> Kilos: I don't understand anymore
[16:28] <smile> :p
[16:28] <nuvolari> heh, looks like Kurt can't innovate anymore, now he brings in the flesh to make his videos something
[16:29] <Kilos> that should have been the reply to nuvolari
[16:29] <Trixar_za> charl: I think it was Terry Pratchett that said Artificial Intelligence was easy, but for something to be truly human it needs to have Artificial Stupidity
[16:29] <smile> Kilos: animals are beautiful people.avi has finished downloading :p
[16:29] <charl> nuvolari: yup and it's corny
[16:29] <Trixar_za> Or something along those lines
[16:29] <smile> Kilos: oh, but I meant that
[16:29] <smile> :p
[16:29] <charl> Trixar_za: lol nice one
[16:29] <smile> I'm not a native speaker of English ;)
[16:29] <smile> :)
[16:30] <charl> oh my goodness, i just found an even worse video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-RihafQec
[16:30] <Kilos> i dont mind is like saying suit yourself it doesnt bother me and please do is asking him to correct where you make mistakes
[16:32] <smile> Kilos: I meant: is okay
[16:32] <smile> :p
[16:33] <Kilos> yes i know man , im also trying to help you a bit where i can
[16:33] <nuvolari> lol toeter op my skoeter
[16:33] <charl> oh no it gets even worse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TLwODENX8Y
[16:33] <nuvolari> laat my dink aan "Don't touch my on my studio"
[16:35] <charl> oh no! oh no! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdjQ_IQMlg0
[16:35] <smile> Kilos: you are very friendly
[16:35] <smile> :p
[16:35] <nuvolari> oh jislaaik
[16:35] <Kilos> i try where i can
[16:36] <nuvolari> then you get the Afrikaans music that makes an Afrikaans person being embarrased
[16:36] <Trixar_za> Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
[16:36] <Trixar_za> — Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
[16:36] <Kilos> you coulda been my grandson
[16:36] <Trixar_za> There we go
[16:36] <Trixar_za> Found it
[16:36] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:36] <charl> i am starting to think skanky girls is a new trend in music in south africa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EjlHlLqjU8
[16:36] <nuvolari> *embarrassed
[16:36] <Kilos> wat nou nuvolari ?
[16:37] <Kilos> oh spelling
[16:38] <charl> ok time to get off youtube now :)
[16:38] <nuvolari> sho, this girl is beautiful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3MzhzMivrA&feature=related
[16:38] <nuvolari> charl, last one, good one ^^
[16:38] <smile> nuvolari: it's okay, but a bit old for me :p
[16:38] <charl> well, at least compared to the rest, that is a big step-up
[16:39] <Kilos> nuvolari, get a pic lemme see
[16:39] <nuvolari> ok, byt vas oom Kilos
[16:39] <charl> that looks a lot like some of the modern european dance/house music
[16:40] <charl> ok this is more like it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSJaDarAuzQ
[16:41] <charl> if they could output more of that they could perhaps make it in the eurodance scene
[16:43] <nuvolari> Kilos: hierso oom: http://imgbin.org/images/8770.png
[16:43] <Kilos> dankie seun
[16:44] <Kilos> o sy was nou die aand op tv
[16:44] <nuvolari> oh?
[16:44] <nuvolari> waai tiewie oom?
[16:44]  * nuvolari ky baie min
[16:44] <nuvolari> *kyk
[16:44] <Kilos> ek weet nie. min musiek hak vas in die kop
[16:45] <Kilos> meeste is oues van voor die tyd
[16:45] <charl> oh no! what the **** is this?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQVa3isBt8Y
[16:45]  * charl runs away
[16:45]  * nuvolari grounds charl from watching youtube
[16:46] <Kilos> lol
[16:46] <charl> phew no my eyeballs.. what has been seen cannot be unseen!
[16:46] <Kilos> he will watch skelm
[16:47] <Kilos> some of you need small caps
[16:47] <Kilos> like 500m a month
[16:48] <charl> this is how i feel right now: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/221/868/cannot_be_unseen.jpg
[16:48] <nuvolari> hmm. monique + snotkop is nie so goeie kombinasie in my opinie nie :P
[16:48] <nuvolari> lol!
[16:48] <charl> or this: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/310/209/69f.jpg
[16:48] <Kilos> haha charl musta been bad
[16:48] <smile> Kilos: i'm watching the film :)
[16:48]  * nuvolari falls off his chair laughing at charl
[16:49] <Kilos> enjoy smile
[16:49] <charl> :)
[16:49] <smile> Kilos: thanks, away for now :) watchin! :p
[16:51] <charl> Maaz: tell inetpro http://imgur.com/a/ns4w8#0 http://i.imgur.com/OK8GC.jpg
[16:51] <Maaz> charl: Okay, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[16:57] <charl> btw, some of you might be interested in this: http://ipv6exchange.net/
[17:00] <Kilos> yo zeref
[17:01] <Kilos> Squirm, you actually here or is the pc lurking for you/
[17:01] <Kilos> ?
[17:01] <Squirm> I am here
[17:02] <Kilos> then why not say hi so we know we not alone and dont skinner bout you
[17:02] <Kilos> hehe
[17:02] <Squirm> cause then I won't see all the skinner
[17:02] <Kilos> lol
[17:03] <Squirm> hopefully I'll be able to set up my Pi tomorrow
[17:03] <Kilos> oh you have it?
[17:03] <Squirm> have everything, other than a monitor with DVI input/DVI to VGA converter
[17:03] <Squirm> hopefully I have the latter in the office
[17:03] <Kilos> ah
[17:05] <Kilos> oom_koos, is it fixed? you not in and out all the time
[17:06] <Kilos> or is it when everyone is at work that the connection cant handle the overload
[17:37] <magespawn> Evening
[17:38] <magespawn> gc_ Durban weather
[17:38] <gc_> magespawn: What?
[17:38] <magespawn> gc_ weather Durban
[17:38] <gc_> magespawn: In La Mercy, South Africa at 7:00 PM SAST on July 15, 2012: 13°C; Humidity: 72%; Wind: NNE at 6 km/h; Conditions: Clear; Sunrise/set: 6:50 AM SAST/5:14 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 3:33 AM SAST/2:08 PM SAST
[17:39] <magespawn> gc_ weather Hluhluwe
[17:39] <gc_> magespawn: In , South Africa at None: 19°C; Humidity: 49%; Wind: West at 22 km/h; Conditions: ; Sunrise/set: 6:41 AM SAST/5:12 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 3:23 AM SAST/2:07 PM SAST
[17:39] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:39] <magespawn> Thank you gc_
[17:39] <magespawn> Hi Kilos.
[17:39] <Kilos> my 12.04 cd is at the post office
[17:39] <Kilos> w000t
[17:40] <magespawn> Cool.
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe now to find someone going in to get it for me
[17:43] <Kilos> magespawn, where you get the hluhluwe weather
[17:43] <Kilos> they only do main cities isnt it
[17:43] <magespawn> Yup that why if you look at the reply there is no town name.
[17:44] <Kilos> you messed the wether guys brains there
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <smile> Kilos: I watched for 1h now :)
[17:47] <Kilos> lol @ smile
[17:48] <Kilos> yo nlsthzn
[17:48] <Kilos> you found again
[17:48] <smile> :D
[17:48] <smile> ^^
[17:48] <nlsthzn> Yup I am back and I'm using voice and not keyboard
[17:48] <smile> nlsthzn: ok :D
[17:48] <smile> cool ;)
[17:49] <nlsthzn> Amazing technology
[17:49] <Kilos> and no spelling mistakes
[17:49] <Kilos> are you actuallt talking instead of typing nlsthzn
[17:49] <nlsthzn> Yes this is an added benefits
[17:49] <smile> :)
[17:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:50] <nlsthzn> Yes I am using samsung galaxy s 3 and I'm using the google voice application
[17:50] <smile> nlsthzn: that's great :)
[17:50] <Kilos> oh not the pc
[17:51] <nlsthzn> Mobile device smartphone
[17:51] <smile> het jy gedroom, Kilos ? :p
[17:51] <Kilos> van wat smile
[17:52] <smile> nee.. het jy gedroom - ja of nee :p
[17:52] <nlsthzn> Google 4 Google voice perhaps there is a application
[17:52] <smile> @ Kilos :)
[17:52] <Kilos> nee hoekom?
[17:52] <nlsthzn> An
[17:52] <smile> Kilos: omdat ek dit my wonder :p
[17:53] <Kilos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/add-google-voice-alerts-to-the-ubuntu-messaging-menu
[17:53] <smile> :D
[17:53] <smile> ^^
[17:55] <nlsthzn> Cool
[17:55] <Kilos> smile did you enjoy the movie
[17:55] <nlsthzn> Bbl
[17:55] <Kilos> k nlsthzn
[17:55] <smile> Kilos: yes :D but it's not finished yet :p but I have to take a break in order to fully enjoy it. I think you will understand :)
[17:55] <Kilos> those drunk elephants and baboons
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <smile> yeah.. :D
[17:56] <smile> they couldn't walk straight ahead :p
[17:57] <Kilos> those marulas are a wild fruit, very lekker, and they make a liqueer with it
[17:57] <Kilos> amarula
[17:58] <inetpro> .
[17:58] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Charl on freenode told me "tell inetpro http://imgur.com/a/ns4w8#0 http://i.imgur.com/OK8GC.jpg" 1 hour, 6 minutes and 38 seconds ago
[17:58] <smile> Kilos: you like the liqueer? :p
[17:58] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:58] <charl> oh yes amarula is very nice
[17:58] <charl> especially in coffee
[17:58] <charl> make it an irish coffee
[17:58] <Kilos> very nice but i dont drink anymore for maybe 30 years or more
[17:58] <inetpro> good evenin charl
[17:58] <charl> hi inetpro
[17:58] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[17:59] <inetpro> charl: hoe's your grandma doing?
[17:59] <inetpro> Kilos: hi
[17:59] <magespawn> Hi inetpro, charl, smile
[17:59] <charl> inetpro: under the circumstances, she's doing well, at least she's stable
[18:00] <smile> hi magespawn :)
[18:00] <charl> hi magespawn
[18:00] <magespawn> Amarula in Pedro.
[18:00] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[18:01] <Kilos> magespawn, http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/index.asp
[18:01] <Kilos> setup your own
[18:01] <inetpro> charl: that's good to know
[18:01] <charl> ah, a dom pedro
[18:01] <Kilos> got that from the pro so sue him if you cant
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: how can you say that?
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <Kilos> rofl
[18:02] <Kilos> enjoyed that
[18:02] <magespawn> Try iweathar.co.za
[18:03] <Kilos> he gave me a better one for pretoria
[18:03] <magespawn> They have a station at the Hluhluwe airfield in town.
[18:03] <magespawn> Give live readings
[18:03] <inetpro> Weather Underground Stations in South Africa http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedCountry=South+Africa
[18:04] <Kilos> modify this to suit that station
[18:04] <inetpro> magespawn: start your own station
[18:04] <Kilos> elinks -dump  -no-numbering -no-references http://bit.ly/MtvAgs
[18:05] <magespawn> The one on the senekal farm in mkuze is about the closest on that sight.
[18:06] <magespawn> Site
[18:07] <Kilos> there you go set it up for there
[18:07] <inetpro> interesting map that shows the current wind chill http://www.wunderground.com/maps/af/WindChill.html
[18:09] <magespawn> This is for Hluhluwe http://iweathar.co.za/display.php?s_id=79
[18:11] <Kilos> goosie how many followers @ubuntuza
[18:11] <Kilos> just around 20 or so hey
[18:11] <magespawn> Any idea how much that would cost?
[18:12] <inetpro> Kilos: 25 Followers
[18:12] <Kilos> ok i will mail as well tomorrow
[18:12] <inetpro> magespawn: last time I checked it was around $250 or somewhere there
[18:13] <inetpro> but I guess it varies
[18:13] <Kilos> want a nice attendance at the meeting
[18:13] <inetpro> I'm not sure whether you can get the stuff locally
[18:13] <Kilos> weather isnt that important unless you a fisherman
[18:13] <inetpro> Kilos: or you're flying
[18:14] <magespawn> From the other site you can but a lot more expensive than that.
[18:14] <Kilos> inetpro, ?
[18:14] <magespawn> Or it is really bad.
[18:14] <magespawn> Planes, helicopters.
[18:14] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:14] <Kilos> like nuvo
[18:15] <Kilos> good pilots fly in any weather
[18:15] <Kilos> just use a weather sock
[18:30] <magespawn> I thought you could fish in any weather. Except lightning.
[18:30] <Kilos> yeah you can but its miseable
[18:31] <Kilos> and fish dont bite at certain times. think barometric pressue affects them i think
[18:31] <smile> bye :)
[18:31] <Kilos> cheers smile
[18:31] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:31] <magespawn> Cheers smile
[18:31] <smile> thanks, see ya the day after tomorrow :)
[18:32] <Kilos> k
[18:41] <magespawn> Okay that is just wrong. Wonder what went wrong this time.
[18:42] <Kilos> what now?
[18:42] <magespawn> Okay so not a power failure then, gc_
[18:42] <gc_> magespawn: Excuse me?
[18:42] <magespawn> gc_ left and came back
[18:42] <gc_> magespawn: Sorry...
[18:42] <magespawn> gc_ be quite
[18:42] <gc_> magespawn: Sorry...
[18:42] <Kilos> internet connection
[18:43] <magespawn> Mm
[18:43] <Kilos> back too fast
[18:43] <Kilos> she cant reboot aotu can she
[18:43] <magespawn> Yeah so not power.
[18:43] <Kilos> auto
[18:43] <Kilos> telkom lines
[18:44] <magespawn> The pc can but have not yet added ibid to the start up
[18:44] <Kilos> or equipment in the exchange
[18:44] <magespawn> gc_ coffee for everyone
[18:44] <gc_> magespawn: Sorry...
[18:45] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <magespawn> gc_ coffee on for everyone
[18:45] <gc_> magespawn: Sorry...
[18:45] <magespawn> gc_ coffee on
[18:45]  * gc_ puts the kettle on
[18:46] <Kilos> gc_, coffee please
[18:46] <gc_> Kilos: Sure
[18:46] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee time
[18:46] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[18:46] <Maaz> inetpro: There isn't a pot on
[18:46] <Kilos> yo superfly  you sneaked in
[18:46] <inetpro> eish!
[18:46] <Kilos> by gc_  man
[18:46] <inetpro> gc_: coffee please
[18:46] <gc_> inetpro: Sure
[18:47] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel met my volk
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I think we should limit the sue of other bots in the channel
[18:48] <inetpro> the use*
[18:49] <inetpro> magespawn: ^^
[18:49] <gc_> Coffee's ready for magespawn, Kilos and inetpro!
[18:49] <inetpro> yikes, my fingers are cold or something
[18:49] <Kilos> gc ty
[18:49] <gc_> It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:50] <Kilos> dont fight mage inetpro hes posting me a cpu
[18:52] <magespawn> Sure no problem, was just as a stand in when Maaz was away on holiday, and as a bit of new learning
[18:52] <Kilos> i will be offline tuesday and thursday up to maybe 1800 due to power cuts
[18:52] <Kilos> magespawn, you can put her by me if you want
[18:53] <magespawn> Wow, so you going to be in a previously lit area.
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not fighting magespawn at all
[18:53] <Kilos> lol
[18:53] <Kilos> ek terg man
[18:53] <inetpro> ja ja
[18:53] <Kilos> i dunno what they doing this time magespawn
[18:54]  * magespawn puts on the boxing gloves
[18:54] <superfly> ohi Kilos
[18:54] <Kilos> na he bigger but i have more experience
[18:54] <magespawn> Lol
[18:54] <Kilos> and know more dirty tricks
[18:55] <superfly> hi magespawn
[18:55] <superfly> and inetpro
[18:55] <magespawn> Hey superfly
[18:56] <inetpro> magespawn: 1. the coming and going of the bot can be very irritating, 2 the bot is doing exactly the same as Maaz, or almost
[18:56] <Kilos> all godd superfly
[18:56] <inetpro> hi superfly
[18:56] <inetpro> when you host the bot it must be stable
[18:56] <superfly> Kilos: yes, just busy as usual
[18:57] <magespawn> Cool. I understand.
[18:57] <inetpro> in fact I'm not in favor of us moving away from Maaz on cocooncrash's server
[18:57] <Kilos> sjoe good
[18:57] <magespawn> gc_ leave #ubuntu-za
[18:57] <Kilos> not too tired again
[18:57] <inetpro> that is unless he really doesn't want to host it anymore
[18:58]  * inetpro just thought I'd open the topic before tomorrows meeting so long
[18:58] <Kilos> inetpro, does he have to pay to host maaz there?
[18:58] <magespawn> gc_ is just on my pc in the shop, would not be a good idea to use her as the main one.
[18:58] <Kilos> thats a very stable host mostly
[18:59] <Kilos> inetpro, ?
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not sure what is arrangement is but at least we're not paying anything
[18:59] <Kilos> maybe we just ask him for admin rights for you
[19:00] <Kilos> if its finances or time thats his prob then we can rethink
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: heh! Systems administration rule #1: Trust nobody
[19:00] <Kilos> if time is just admin needed
[19:01] <inetpro> I'm not sure he would be keen to let anybody admin his box for hm
[19:01] <Kilos> oh you mean the admin to maaz
[19:02] <Kilos> i dunno what it actually meant by the data dump
[19:02] <inetpro> that is why he would much rather give up hosting it, in which case he is willing to give us a copy of the db
[19:02] <magespawn> Can you not just admin Maaz?
[19:02] <Kilos> and another host for maaz
[19:03] <Kilos> oh because of the admin inetpro ?
[19:03] <Kilos> the bniggest prob i see with maaz is getting permissions for every meet otherwise he be kiff
[19:03] <Kilos> wb not_found
[19:04] <inetpro> meeting admin has been sorted
[19:04] <not_found> hello again uncle Kilos
[19:04] <magespawn> I thought it was possible to add an admin just to the ibid setup
[19:04] <inetpro> not_found: you seem lost
[19:04] <Kilos> oh is that sorted without looking for it anymore inetpro ?
[19:04] <not_found> not really inetpro ... I am right ... oh dear!
[19:05] <Kilos> lol
[19:06] <Kilos> inetpro, if you have permissions then all is good
[19:06] <tumbleweed> an admin can grant admin rights to other people
[19:06] <tumbleweed> there are a bunch of different rights, some of them are fairly safe to give out
[19:06] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions
[19:06] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: chairmeeting
[19:06] <tumbleweed> others essentially let people execute arbitrary code on the bot's host
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't have full admin, just chairmeeting, which is enough for the meetings, and I'm not the only with that right
[19:08] <Kilos> then all is good inetpro we can delete that agenda item
[19:08] <Kilos> thanks tumbleweed
[19:08] <Kilos> methinks its just meetings we have to worry about
[19:08] <inetpro> Kilos: I still think it's worth talking about it, but perhaps more here than in the meeting
[19:08] <Kilos> and coffee
[19:09] <inetpro> unless someone really comes with a good offer in the meeting
[19:09] <Kilos> tumbleweed, do you know what this is all about
[19:09] <tumbleweed> no
[19:10] <inetpro> tumbleweed: would you be willing to host Maaz?
[19:10]  * tumbleweed just sat down at Atlanta airport and noticed discussion about ibid admin
[19:10] <Kilos> the crash kid said we can host maaz somewhere else and he will give a data dump
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <inetpro> superfly: would you be willing to host Maaz?
[19:11] <Kilos> we dunno if he wants to get rid of the responsibility or not
[19:11]  * tumbleweed is already hosting one ibid on my server, but yes I could take on Maaz. I'd prefer it if someone else did, though
[19:12] <inetpro> I'm sure cocooncrash would continue hosting if we choose not to move
[19:12] <inetpro> cocooncrash: what do you say about that?
[19:12] <inetpro> surely cocooncrash never sleeps?
[19:13] <Kilos> no man hes married now
[19:13] <inetpro> ahh :-)
[19:13] <Kilos> sleeps lots
[19:13] <Kilos> and its 6 am there
[19:13] <magespawn> That does not mean he sleeps though.
[19:13] <Kilos> haha
[19:14] <inetpro> ok, so tumbleweed is our plan B or C if push comes to shove
[19:14] <inetpro> tumbleweed: thanks, that is good to know
[19:14] <tumbleweed> what's the problem with cocooncrash hosting it?
[19:14] <Kilos> yeah we just need to hear from cocoon and here what he would prefer methinks
[19:14] <tumbleweed> is he too inactive?
[19:15] <Kilos> tumbleweed, it all started when i aske d him if he can do the upgrade you sorted
[19:15] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I'm sure it's just a matter of him feeling a bit disconnected at this stage, but that is just my humble opinion
[19:16] <tumbleweed> makes sense
[19:16] <Kilos> he said ok when he has time but we can have maaz with data dump if we have a host
[19:16]  * tumbleweed doesn't hang around here all day, either. So there are more active people who may be better admins than me
[19:17] <Kilos> its only for meetings that we needed anything different from maaz than coffee and googling
[19:17] <tumbleweed> :)
[19:17] <Kilos> so admin is minimal
[19:18] <magespawn> To get admin and host in one person might be difficult
[19:18] <magespawn> And very active.
[19:18] <inetpro> it would be nice to have a #ubuntu-za VPS with a few responsible admins
[19:18] <Kilos> thats actually more important inetpro
[19:19] <Kilos> what happened about the host for server
[19:19] <magespawn> VPS?
[19:19] <inetpro> virtual private server
[19:19] <tumbleweed> so, ubuntu-za currently has things hosted on CLUG's VM
[19:19] <tumbleweed> (where things = our website)
[19:19] <tumbleweed> the VM is a small xen instance donated by frogfoot
[19:20] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I think that is superfly's VPS
[19:21] <tumbleweed> no, it's CLUGs
[19:21] <inetpro> ah, ok
[19:22] <tumbleweed> but it doesn't have enough RAM to run an ibid too
[19:23] <inetpro> eish!
[19:23] <inetpro> tumbleweed: for interest sake, how much RAM is needed?
[19:24] <inetpro> oh and how much does the CLUG instance have?
[19:25] <tumbleweed> 256M. Running apache+PHP and mysql
[19:25] <inetpro> perhaps they can start another xen instance with enough RAM for ibid for us?
[19:25] <tumbleweed> I don't think they will. IIRC we asked for the ubuntu-za website and they said no
[19:25] <tumbleweed> so, that's why it's shared with clug
[19:26] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[19:26] <magespawn> Do they host the actual machine?
[19:26] <tumbleweed> something like an IRC bot is probably easier to host on someone's personal machine
[19:27] <magespawn> Just the connection and electricity issues.
[19:27] <inetpro> magespawn: and the sysadmin issues
[19:27] <inetpro> time and effort
[19:28] <inetpro> although that can be very minimal when everything just works
[19:28] <inetpro> perfect world
[19:28] <magespawn> Well I would not be worried about that with mine as long as it was the regular guys in here.
[19:29] <Kilos> inetpro, what sysadmin is involved with a bot
[19:29] <tumbleweed> not much
[19:29] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what are the risks?
[19:30] <Kilos> methinks the biggest thing needed with a bot is permanent connection
[19:31] <tumbleweed> it's fairly likely that there are security bugs in ibid that allow people to do random things on the machine hosting it
[19:31] <tumbleweed> that said, I host tibid on my bare server, quite happily
[19:31] <tumbleweed> but I probably should confine it to a container
[19:33] <magespawn> I saw something about a company doing VPS that had some sort of special for ibid, if i remember correctly.
[19:33] <tumbleweed> that would be suprising, I didn't know Ibid had many users
[19:34] <magespawn> I will see if I can find it again.
[19:34] <inetpro> let's wait and see what cocooncrash says and perhaps also get some feedback from superfly, not sure who else would want to say something about it
[19:34] <inetpro> magespawn: was that not about hosting quassel?
[19:35] <inetpro> perhaps charl?
[19:35] <magespawn> Ahhh yes that was it, quassel.
[19:35] <magespawn> My mistake, sorry.
[19:36] <superfly> I host an Ibid instance on my VPS
[19:36] <superfly> No security issues that I know of, or have seen
[19:37]  * tumbleweed used to host tibid on my desktop, running as my user
[19:37] <tumbleweed> ah, the good days :)
[19:37] <inetpro> I would love it if we could get a official #ubuntu-za VPS
[19:37] <magespawn> How much do they cost?
[19:38] <tumbleweed> in that case, we need to figure out how we want to fund it
[19:38] <inetpro> tumbleweed: true
[19:38] <tumbleweed> (btw, be careful, some VM providers use a hosting facility in atlanta that doesn't allow anything IRC related)
[19:38] <inetpro> also true
[19:39] <magespawn> How much do they cost?
[19:39] <inetpro> I guess a personal server is best case scenario for now
[19:40] <bakuman> Thrust isnt too expensive
[19:40] <Kilos> please explain to me what is wrong with the way things are working now
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: nothing
[19:41] <tumbleweed> we want cocooncrash to do things that he dosen't have time to do right now?
[19:41] <Kilos> so whats with servers
[19:41] <bakuman> there are too many old people, like you Kilos :P
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: just the can of worms you opened with the hosting of Maaz :-)
[19:41] <Kilos> thats only maaz not ubuntu-za
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:42] <tumbleweed> maaz is a fairly useful service for ubuntu-za
[19:42] <Kilos> yes
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: lot's of knowledge you taught that guy in there
[19:43] <Kilos> si i suggest if hosting maaz isnt a prob for crash then keep it as is
[19:43] <magespawn> Vps would be about R150 - R300.
[19:43] <Kilos> bakuman, ill get maaz to swear at you
[19:43] <Kilos> hehe
[19:44] <Kilos> once of magespawn ?
[19:44] <bakuman> that would be really mean :(
[19:44] <Kilos>  because maaz like this ballie
[19:44] <Kilos> likes
[19:45]  * bakuman will run his own bot and he will battle maaz, Battle Bots!!!
[19:45] <Kilos> we got more
[19:45] <Kilos> backup gc and qp
[19:46] <magespawn> No per month Kilos.
[19:46] <Kilos> no man then stay as we are
[19:46] <magespawn> Make a bot channel, lol.
[19:46] <Kilos> we arent paying now are we? inetpro
[19:47] <inetpro> Kilos: nope
[19:47] <Kilos> so then whats up you okes
[19:47] <inetpro> lol
[19:47] <tumbleweed> magespawn: stick your nose into #ibid on irc.atrum.org some time, and say "bot: hi"
[19:48] <magespawn> More control and freedom, also ppl are doing #ubuntu-za a favour.
[19:49] <magespawn> Bot channel? Cool.
[19:49] <Maaz> magespawn: What?
[19:49] <bakuman> thrust is about  R70 a month for a small VPS
[19:49] <Kilos> yes magespawn but what cant we do here that a vps thingie will provide
[19:50] <superfly> Kilos, inetpro: I don't see much of a problem with the current setup
[19:50] <Kilos> nope nor do i superfly
[19:50] <Kilos> old saying
[19:51] <Kilos> Leave well enough alone
[19:51] <inetpro> superfly: so you suggest removing the point from the agenda?
[19:51] <Kilos> tumbleweed, question please
[19:51] <superfly> inetpro: unless it becomes a problem, yes.
[19:51] <inetpro> ok, Kilos go delete
[19:51] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yeah?
[19:52] <Kilos> can one make the daily build for maverick stop as is
[19:52] <Kilos> as in no more daily
[19:52] <tumbleweed> it hasn't built since maverick was removed from the archive
[19:52] <tumbleweed> I could delete the old packages, if that's what you are asking
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: ok, I'll do it
[19:53] <Kilos> the last job you did is enough till unforseen probs occur
[19:53] <Kilos> im not sure what i mean myself. but to stop more builds adding on from now on because its fine as is
[19:54] <tumbleweed> there won't be any more builds for maverick
[19:54] <Kilos> i mean after the upgrade of old ibid tumbleweed
[19:54] <tumbleweed> but lucid will keep building whenever things change, because that's the purpose of the PPA
[19:54] <Kilos> so if we upgrade maaz then he will be stable on 2
[19:54] <Kilos> as my bot is and magespawn s
[19:55] <Kilos> oh ya i mean lucid sorry
[19:55] <tumbleweed> we should do an ibid release. People shouldn't have to run the latest trunk
[19:55] <inetpro> Kilos: you'll be happy to know that the point has been removed from the agenda
[19:55] <Kilos> like you last upgrade for lucid can stop there and no more after
[19:55] <Kilos> lol inetpro ty
[19:56] <magespawn> I am out of here night all.
[19:56] <Kilos> basically i think it means making the ppa not a ppa anymore doesnt it
[19:56] <Kilos> night magespawn
[19:56] <inetpro> it's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[19:56] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:57] <Kilos> rofl
[19:57] <inetpro> magespawn: good night
[19:57] <Kilos> where he went now
[19:57] <Kilos> tumbles i mean
[19:58]  * tumbleweed is here
[19:58] <tumbleweed> was just distracted
[19:58] <Kilos> ah
[19:59] <Kilos> can we upgrade maaz and then stop the ppa right there tumbleweed
[19:59] <tumbleweed> yes, you could
[19:59] <Kilos> thats where we need the crash kid hey?
[19:59] <Kilos> by me i have all updates off
[19:59]  * tumbleweed wouldn't be suprised to see our upgrade scripts blow up, though :)
[20:00] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[20:00] <Kilos> my head is too flat for all this stuff
[20:01] <Kilos> does upgrading lucids ibid affect all the later releases
[20:01] <tumbleweed> sorry, not understanding the question
[20:02] <Kilos> oh i mean did the ppa for ibid affect more than just the lucid version
[20:03] <tumbleweed> the ppa provides packages for all supported releases
[20:03] <charl> inetpro: hi sorry only saw your mention now
[20:04] <charl> not sure what the thread was about, something relating to ibid?
[20:04] <Kilos> ok now if we do the update for maaz now, then he will be stable and working and wont need later updates or does he get them automartically
[20:05] <tumbleweed> you'll be running the current development version of the code.
[20:05] <inetpro> charl: yep, we where discussing possible scenarios of moving Maaz to another host
[20:05] <Kilos> so its safe to update maaz then
[20:05] <charl> ah i see, ok
[20:05] <inetpro> but I believe that it should not be necessary
[20:06] <inetpro> it's generally been very stable and cocooncrash has been doing us a massive favor so far
[20:06] <Kilos> yes
[20:06] <tumbleweed> Kilos: fairly safe. I'm running that code on tibid and it hasn't blown up
[20:07] <tumbleweed> but no guarantees
[20:07] <inetpro> I don't think there are any pressing needs to upgrade Maaz to the latest version
[20:07] <Kilos> nope no pressing need at all
[20:07] <inetpro> and I suggest that we leave that decision to cocooncrash
[20:08] <Kilos> agreed
[20:08] <Kilos> lets attack noddy next
[20:08] <inetpro> hehe
[20:08] <Kilos> lol
[20:08]  * tumbleweed is going to wander off to his gate now
[20:09] <inetpro> tumbleweed: thanks for your time
[20:09] <Kilos> fly safe tumbleweed thank you
[20:09] <inetpro> and have a safe flight
[20:09]  * Kilos cries
[20:09] <charl> ciao tumbleweed, all the best
[20:09] <Kilos> no more can of worms
[20:11] <tumbleweed> thanks all
[20:13] <Kilos> inetpro, what would be in maaz's data dump?
[20:14] <inetpro> Kilos: think of all the training you gave him
[20:14] <Kilos> is that all
[20:14] <Kilos> coupla kB's
[20:14] <cocooncrash> inetpro: I don't mind hosting Maaz, I just don't have the time to deal with trunk breakages
[20:14] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... not only you
[20:15] <inetpro> cocooncrash: that says it all, thanks
[20:15] <Kilos> please cocooncrash will you keep on doing itmfor us
[20:15] <cocooncrash> Which is why I keep Maaz on the stable branch
[20:16] <Kilos> we are scared if maaz moves we lose you too
[20:16] <inetpro> Kilos: yes he will keep doing it
[20:16] <Kilos> w00t
[20:17] <inetpro> Kilos: and he will upgrade Maaz when he and tumbleweed and all the other developers have released a proper next release
[20:17] <cocooncrash> Kilos, inetpro: superfly and drubin have full admin permissions on the bot and can grant permission to other people
[20:17] <cocooncrash> If you want me to give full permission to some other people just let me know
[20:17] <inetpro> cocooncrash: wow!
[20:17] <Kilos> nope thats fine ty cocooncrash
[20:18] <inetpro> cocooncrash: thanks for that
[20:18] <Kilos> but drubin has faded from here
[20:18] <cocooncrash> inetpro: np, it's been like that for ages
[20:18] <Kilos> dunno when he will have time to visit again
[20:19]  * superfly is always here and doesn't see that changing any time soon
[20:20]  * inetpro should scan his memory for faulty bits
[20:21] <Kilos> ty superfly and inetpro with the missing bits
[20:21] <Kilos> corrupt bits
[20:21] <Kilos> old age
[20:22] <inetpro> heh, probably quite a number of those :-)
[20:22] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Meeting tomorrow night at 19.30 guys. Be here
[20:22] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting tomorrow night at 19.30 guys. Be here
[20:22] <inetpro> Kilos: we know! :-)
[20:23] <inetpro> go announce that on the ML
[20:23] <Kilos> oh thought it might be in the missing bits
[20:23] <Kilos> tomorrow
[20:24] <Kilos> you guys are lucky i didnt come here before the head
[20:25] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight and be rested for tomorrow
[20:30] <inetpro> cocooncrash: may you a blessed Sunday
[20:30] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Thanks :)
[20:30]  * inetpro goes to recharge his batteries
[20:30] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:50] <charl> nn inetpro
[21:21] <charl> nn


[00:01] <k1l_> xavierCL: hmm. i still believe that this is some proxy error.
[00:01] <k1l_> !bug | xavierCL
[00:02] <xavierCL> k1l_: I just tested using my network phone ... :(
[00:03] <xavierCL> k1l_:  thanks for all your help, I will try some more information about that else I will report
[01:24] <Fudge> any idea how to fix this? Failed to start bind9.service: Unit bind9.service is masked.
[02:06] <Fudge> i fixed it
[02:48] <sergio-br2> yo
[02:48] <sergio-br2> what's happened to fonts-droid package?
[02:50] <tsimonq2> !info fonts-droid xenial
[02:50] <tsimonq2> !info fonts-droid wily
[02:50] <tsimonq2> hmm
[02:50] <tsimonq2> !info fonts-droid sid
[02:51] <tsimonq2> :/ why can't I do debian? ugh hold on
[02:51] <tsimonq2> !info fonts-droid-fallback xenial
[02:51] <tsimonq2> aha
[02:52] <tsimonq2> sergio-br2: looks like in Xenial there isn't fonts-droid but fonts-droid-fallback?
[02:52] <sergio-br2> uh, is it the same?
[02:53] <tsimonq2> maybe
[02:53] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:53] <tsimonq2> #ubuntu-release would probably be a better channel for this
[02:53] <tsimonq2> cite that it is in Wily but not in Xenial
[02:53] <sergio-br2> man, I got many deps problem in xenial
[02:54] <sergio-br2> I'll see that
[02:54] <sergio-br2> thanks tsimonq2
[02:54] <tsimonq2> a lot of people in that channel are also part Debian people, they might know why :)
[02:54] <tsimonq2> no problem sergio-br2 :)
[03:51] <dax> tsimonq2: ubottu only knows stable/testing.
[03:51] <dax> unstable
[03:51] <dax> (Hit enter too early)
[03:51] <dax> !info fonts-droid unstable
[03:53] <tsimonq2> dax: it would be awesome for it to know codenames and aliases such as stable...
[07:55] <flocculant> tsimonq2: fonts-droid is deprecated > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039159.html
[10:07] <vladimir-sn> i'm looking at a slightly strange bug on a new-ish system (dell precision 5510) where the usb controller resets one of the ports (the liveusb stick that's being booted) during the boot process
[10:07] <vladimir-sn> i've filed a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1559298
[10:07] <vladimir-sn> but was wondering if anyone had tips on what i could investigate myself next
[10:07] <vladimir-sn> i think it's possible that it's not a kernel bug but rather something in userland (pid 1 or something triggered by it) that triggers it
[10:08] <vladimir-sn> i should probably go an read up on how the systemd services are scheduled though ^_^
[10:08] <vladimir-sn> s/an/and/
[10:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:30] <freaj> Hello everyone! I'm trying out ubuntu xenial, and I think a little change could be made: on the installation, when you decide to encrypt your hard drive, it requires a passphrase.. but you haven't chosen the keyboard layout yet
[14:07] <markc> is there a ppa for qt 5.6?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[18:11] <genii> Anything I can do for the moment about bug 1556666 to make apt accept kubuntu PPAs and ddebs.ubuntu.com instead of complaining they have weak keys?
[18:26] <flocculant> genii: not that I'm aware of
[18:27] <genii> Hm
[18:27] <flocculant> not noticed it stopping me use ppa's - just annoying words
[18:28] <k1l> genii: isnt that just a warning for now?
[18:32] <genii> k1l: I'm not sure, but since it started there hasn't been anything available from the Kubuntu PPAs available, even though I see the bot in the -devel channel building packages for it
[18:45] <hggdh> this is a warning. The key uses SHA1. See, for example, https://juliank.wordpress.com/2016/03/15/clarifications-and-updates-on-apt-sha1/
[18:47] <dorelyo> After upgrading from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 I ca not login. After entering my password the login screen appears again. I tried ctrl alt f1, I logged in, but 'startx' command failed to run. I don't know how to access my Desktop Enviroment. Can I revert the upgrade somehow?
[18:49] <phillw> hi folks, for anyone following server 16.04 can you have a look at bug 1559507 and confirm, thanks
[18:50] <SwedeMike> dorelyo: no, there is no way to revert.
[18:51] <ChibaPet> dorelyo: What desktop environment?
[18:52] <ChibaPet> dorelyo: If you're using something older (as I do) remove .Xauthority and use a clean, minimal .xsession.
[18:52] <k1l> dorelyo: dont use startx.
[18:53] <ChibaPet> startx and a display manager ought to both be more or less irrelevant to what's breaking on login
[18:53] <k1l> dorelyo: make a "ls -al" and see what is owned by root and not your user. then look into .xsession-errors
[18:53] <k1l> dorelyo: are you using a amd video card?
[18:53] <ChibaPet> Usually for me it's my custom ssh-agent framework in a new environment, but no one else runs that, so I'm sure that's not it. :P
[19:04] <dorelyo> k1l: yes, I am using a video card
[19:04] <dorelyo> I am using default ubuntu DE
[19:05] <dorelyo> k1l: where is .xsession-errors located?
[19:06] <k1l> dorelyo: which video card?
[19:07] <k1l> dorelyo: in your users home
[19:07] <dorelyo> nvidia
[19:07] <dorelyo> k1l: My internet connection is also broken
[19:07] <dorelyo> so I have to switch between computers in order to use irc
[19:09] <dorelyo> k1l: well U have a bucnh of errors there
[19:10] <dorelyo> Xlib: extension 'GLX' missing on display ':0'
[19:10] <hggdh> back on the weak key warning on APT: see the end of this email: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-March/039271.html
[19:11] <dorelyo> upstart: unity-settings-daemon main rpocess killed by TERM signal
[19:11] <dorelyo> and other processes killed by TERM signal and by KILL signal
[19:13] <k1l> dorelyo: 16.04 should not use upstart but systemd.
[19:13] <k1l> dorelyo: were there some issues during the upgrade?
[19:13] <dorelyo> k1l: yes
[19:13] <dorelyo> k1l:
[19:14] <dorelyo> I restarted my computer becaus after 3 hours nothing appeared on the screen
[19:14] <k1l> ok. so you have a broken upgrade.
[19:15] <tsimonq2> flocculant: aha okay :)
[19:16] <dorelyo> k1l: yes
[19:17] <dorelyo> k1l: and my internet connection is broken as well..
[19:17] <k1l> dorelyo: you dont have a internet connection there?
[19:17] <dorelyo> k1l: nope
[19:17] <k1l> dorelyo: i think a clean install might be better then :)
[19:18] <dorelyo> clean install of 16.04?
[19:18]  * tsimonq2 whispers, "there is one more option without reinstalling"
[19:19] <dorelyo> tsimonq2: hm?
[19:20] <flocculant> dorelyo: I been testing that (xubuntu) all appeared to fail - got a reboot then vt1 and dpkg --configure -a got it working
[19:21] <flocculant> but I think there's been problems with ubuntu
[20:19] <Huck777> hi, I'm using 16.04 and have some problems with the terminal. When I press the expand button and want to minimize it back to its former size I have to do it manually, because it stays full screen.