[00:18]  * TheMuso returns.
[02:07] <andyrock> good night all
[03:05] <Trevinho> 'night (or morning) all
[03:07] <duflu> Trevinho: Heh. Night
[03:07] <duflu> (morning)
[03:07] <duflu> and soon afternoon
[03:07] <Trevinho> :-)
[04:56] <robert_ancell> bye all
[05:06] <didrocks> good morning
[05:09] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks. Feeling better today?
[05:14] <didrocks> TheMuso: not really, woke up at 2am and couldn't sleep again until 4…
[05:14] <didrocks> TheMuso: thanks for asking though :)
[05:14] <didrocks> nothing really worrying, it's just a cold, but enough to feel uneasy
[05:15] <TheMuso> didrocks: Yeah, I know.
[05:20] <pitti> Good morning
[05:22] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[05:22] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[05:30] <hikiko> hello all
[05:33] <didrocks> hey hikiko
[06:01] <Sweet5hark> goood morning (from mission: at conference)!
[06:07] <didrocks> hey Sweet5hark
[06:08] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: heya.
[06:40] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[06:41] <didrocks> hey seb128
[06:41] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya
[06:41] <seb128> re didrocks :-)
[06:41] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[06:44] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:45] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[06:45] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke!
[06:45] <pitti> seb128: a bit tired, two hours of Badminton on Tue and two hours of Basketball last night take some toll :)
[06:45] <pitti> but it was great
[06:45] <seb128> :-)
[06:46] <seb128> I had 3 hours of tennis yesterday, feeling a bit tired as well today
[06:47] <pitti> seb128: 3! wow
[06:47] <seb128> yeah, it was fun ;-)
[06:48] <seb128> they do mixed groups on wednesday evening, anyone can show up and they and each hours there is a round where you play with different people
[06:49] <seb128> -and they
[06:49] <pitti> seb128: oh, that's fun! so you don't adjust too much to only one or two players
[06:49] <seb128> right
[06:49] <seb128> it's also often doubles
[06:49] <seb128> depending of the number of people showing up
[06:49] <seb128> great fun ;-)
[06:50] <seb128> I often do two rounds but I stayed for a third one yesterday
[06:54]  * pitti -> allergy shot, bbl
[07:02] <pitti> re; ironically, the doctor is ill
[07:03] <didrocks> ah :p
[07:03] <seb128> seems like you didn't have to go far at least
[07:04] <pitti> no, just 2 mins walking
[07:12] <willcooke> ahoy
[07:13] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:13] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke. :)
[07:15] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[07:29] <larsu> good morning!
[07:29] <larsu> *yawn*
[07:31] <willcooke> hey larsu, seb128, TheMuso, didrocks
[07:31] <didrocks> morning larsu
[07:31] <seb128> hey larsu TheMuso
[07:32] <larsu> hehe that was quick
[08:02] <Laney> hi ;-) (-;
[08:03] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:03] <Laney> yay
[08:03] <Laney> it's larsu!
[08:03] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:03] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:04] <larsu> hey hey hey Laney
[08:04] <Laney> oh it just gets better and better
[08:04] <Laney> hey pitti and didrocks
[08:04] <larsu> you just broke the chain :/
[08:04] <Laney> forget that
[08:04] <Laney> i'm too happy to see everyone
[08:04] <larsu> awesome :)
[08:04] <Laney> even in textual form
[08:04] <Laney> what's up?
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:05] <larsu> not much. Drinkning tea after a night drinking a lot of beer
[08:05] <larsu> *drinking even
[08:06] <Laney> larsu: pink killer?
[08:06] <Laney> seb128: MAN, YOU AS WELL
[08:06] <larsu> nah, good old flensburger
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, stop shouting, larsu has an hangover!
[08:07] <larsu> hehe
[08:07] <larsu> not really
[08:07] <larsu> it wasn't *that* much
[08:08]  * pitti hands larsu some Gurken
[08:12] <Trevinho> morning...
[08:12] <larsu> pitti: danke und gtuen morgen :)
[08:12] <seb128> Trevinho, hey :-)
[08:12] <seb128> how are you?
[08:12] <didrocks> larsu: so, you drink, and I'm the sick guy, unfair!
[08:12] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[08:13] <larsu> didrocks: get better!
[08:13] <larsu> NOW
[08:13] <didrocks> if only things were so simple
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: argh, cold caught you after all? :-(
[08:14] <Trevinho> A bit tired, but ok (last night I closed my editor at 5 :-P)
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I didn't resist Julie's microbes…
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: but of course *she* now feels really well…
[08:14] <pitti> bah
[08:14] <pitti> didrocks: you're supposed to not resist *her*, not her microbes
[08:14] <didrocks> ;)
[08:14]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[08:15]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[08:15] <pitti> didrocks: some guy at basketball had a cold as well yesterday, I hope I did't catch it
[08:15] <pitti> otherwise I'll bring the ubuflu to Budapest
[08:15] <didrocks> pitti: argh, yeah, keep strong then to not be patient 0 :)
[08:17]  * Laney watched Cordon a few weeks ago
[08:17] <Laney> that was a fun series
[08:17] <Laney> (speaking of patient 0...)
[08:17] <pitti> I don't get the reference
[08:17] <pitti> but only ~ 8 more OITNB episodes, afterwards I need a new series; is that a good one?
[08:19] <Laney> It's about the outbreak of a virus :)
[08:19] <Laney> yeah, it's not too deep but still quite fun
[08:20] <pitti> ah, not on netflix
[08:21] <Laney> the BBC was showing it
[08:21] <Laney> even though it from Belgium
[08:22]  * TheMuso -> EOD. Goodnight folks.
[08:22] <Laney> I guess they started looking for non-English series to buy after the Killing proved so popular
[08:22] <Laney> bye TheMuso!
[08:22] <willcooke> g'night TheMuso
[08:23] <didrocks> see you TheMuso
[08:23] <seb128> davidcalle, looks like the fix from https://code.launchpad.net/~submarine/unity-scope-zotero/trunk never landed in Ubuntu, do you think you can get that uploaded?
[08:24] <seb128> Trevinho, stop working so late! or sleep longer next day ;-)
[08:24] <seb128> Trevinho, what did you hack on all night?
[08:24] <davidcalle> seb128, what year is it?
[08:25] <davidcalle> :-)
[08:25] <seb128> lol
[08:25] <seb128> davidcalle, I saw it when reviewing bugs with patches
[08:25] <Trevinho> seb128: the more I work in the scrollbars, the  more issues I find...
[08:25] <seb128> Trevinho, :-(
[08:26] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm more focused when I've the long night for me ...
[08:26] <Trevinho> And if something blocks me.... Then I just can't stop
[08:26] <seb128> typical hacker behaviour ;-)
[08:26] <davidcalle> seb128, thanks, I'll look into demoting that package from the distro asap ;-)
[08:26] <seb128> davidcalle, wfm, less code to maintain!
[08:27] <Trevinho> Sort of ;-)
[08:27] <seb128> Trevinho, willcooke, do we expect the scrollbar changes to land for wily? we probably need ffe/uife for that
[08:27] <davidcalle> seb128, more seriously, I don't even know if it still works, the maintainer has lost interest, I'll see what I can do about that
[08:28] <Trevinho> seb128: in terms of UI nothing changes for the screenshots or... Anything docs related
[08:28] <seb128> davidcalle, it's really a minor detail, unsure if anyone use that service, I just mentioned it because if we ship it we can as well have it to work
[08:28] <davidcalle> seb128, indeed
[08:28] <Trevinho> But as you prefer
[08:28] <seb128> Trevinho, well, it does, we don't have overlay scroll thumbs anymore, right?
[08:29] <seb128> well, I prefer less work
[08:29] <seb128> maybe Laney has an opinion
[08:29] <Laney> "the more issues I find" sounds worrying to slide in late :)
[08:29] <seb128> Laney, do you think the scrollbar change in unity is a ffe?
[08:29] <davidcalle> willcooke, I'll send you a mail soon about old python scopes we still ship and should kill :)
[08:29] <willcooke> davidcalle, nice, that ties in with something I was going to talk to seb128 about
[08:29] <willcooke> :)
[08:29] <Trevinho> seb128: Yes, but that's only shown in mouse over and I don't think anyone used those for docs, but we can ask an UI fe
[08:30] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah, we'll need a UI FE
[08:30] <seb128> Trevinho, well, it's more the ffe, as Laney said, if it's non trivial code change and has potential to create issues it needs a risk/benefit evaluation
[08:30] <Trevinho> Laney: not in the new code, but issues that are alredy there for years
[08:31] <Laney> well...
[08:31] <Laney> I don't think it's really bad to ride the time based release cycle instead of pushing risky things through the freeze
[08:32] <Laney> but if you think it will have 0 new bugs then file the request and see what happens
[08:33]  * didrocks is fighting our jenkins tests system again…
[08:33] <hikiko> Trevinho, Trevinho Trevinho ping!
[08:33] <hikiko> #ubuntukylin-devel
[08:34] <willcooke> We need to decide which is better:  New OSB in some/most apps and old OSB in the dash but we know it's status vs same OSB in dash and apps and the risk therein
[08:35] <willcooke> Personally, I think having different OSB in the dash vs apps is worth a FFE to fix
[08:35] <Trevinho> Laney: I don't think there are new bugs... It's just that there were bugs inside nux or the dash, that we just ignored till now... And since I'm there I don't want to leave them around
[08:36] <didrocks> willcooke: +1, but then, we need to evaluate the risk (but yeah, we already have enough inconsistency in that area to not add more)
[08:37] <Trevinho> I guess you could evaluate the code, it's actually a simplification of things
[08:38] <Laney> The procedure is that you file the bug and make your arguments in there
[08:39] <Laney> You might want to get a PPA which other people can try too
[08:41] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, as always...
[08:55] <seb128> Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1446081 has a 1 liner patch to use GTK_ICON_LOOKUP_FORCE_SIZE, could you review it?
[08:58] <Trevinho> seb128: ok
[08:58] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[08:58] <Trevinho> I'll check that after the meeting with kylin
[09:27] <attente> hi
[09:27] <Laney> attente: !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[09:27] <larsu> attente: err...
[09:27] <larsu> insomnia?
[09:28] <Laney> working early
[09:28] <Laney> in order to go out bouldering in the afternoon
[09:28] <Laney> yes?
[09:28] <attente> yup!
[09:28] <Laney> \o/
[09:28] <attente> to both maybe...
[09:29] <seb128> hey attente
[09:29] <larsu> attente: morning!
[09:30] <happyaron> attente: morning
[09:30] <attente> good morning guys :)
[09:30] <didrocks> morning attente ;)
[09:30] <didrocks> hey happyaron, you around! :)
[09:31] <seb128> attente, seems there is a patch on bug #1226962 , do you know if that's still an issue/maybe you could have a look to the change to see if it makes sense?
[09:36] <attente> seb128: sure, i think one of those is from the ppa that we couldn't add to archive because holding shift would change the layout back if the switching shortcut used shift
[09:36] <seb128> attente, oh, ok
[09:45] <willcooke> morning attente
[10:05] <Trevinho> larsu: as per bug 1446081, do you think we should always use GTK_ICON_LOOKUP_FORCE_SIZE in unity? As we currently do it in /some/ places... While it seems that it changed its behavior recently
[10:05] <larsu> going for lunch with my sister in mitte, might be gone for a bit longer than usual
[10:05] <larsu> Trevinho: sorry about the timing. I'll have look when I'm back
[10:05] <Laney> Trevinho: have you noticed that d-feet's icon in the dash is weird?
[10:06] <Laney> you get the top left quarter or so
[10:06] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, no worries
[10:06] <Laney> HA
[10:06] <Trevinho> Laney: it might be the same thing
[10:06] <Trevinho> Laney: we use it /somewhere/
[10:06] <larsu> Trevinho: short answer: we should for application icons
[10:06] <larsu> and fix the theme for others
[10:06] <Laney> actually this only happens on my laptop but not desktop
[10:06] <Laney> weird
[10:06] <Trevinho> larsu: even for indicators?
[10:06] <Trevinho> Laney: your laptop is lying
[10:07] <Laney> clearly
[10:07] <larsu> Trevinho: indicators have app icons as well (messaging menu, sound)
[10:07] <Trevinho> ok, ok
[10:07]  * Trevinho puts it everywhere
[10:07] <Trevinho> So normal behavior is now that we try to get the icon with size that is closer to the one we requested, right?
[10:08] <Trevinho> (by using lookup with size)
[10:08] <Trevinho> Laney: my d-feet is fine, though
[10:09] <Laney> WOAH gnome-screenshot crashed
[10:09] <seb128> Laney, d-feet is fine here, your laptop is hidpi/use scaling?
[10:10] <Laney> ye
[10:10] <Trevinho> Laney: 2x?
[10:10] <seb128> maybe has to do with it?
[10:10] <Laney> 2× indeed
[10:10]  * Trevinho adds that
[10:12] <Trevinho> Laney: ok, that triggers it
[10:16] <Laney> if this same fix doesn't resolve it then I'll file a bug
[10:16] <Laney> not that urgent, I only notice it on d-feet
[10:16] <Trevinho> Laney: I guess it's a different thing
[10:17] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, but it's caused by something else, so I'd like to know what
[10:17] <Trevinho> probably because gtk image use scaling for loading them...
[10:17] <Trevinho> while we do that by ourselves
[10:17] <Laney> if you right click it then the icon is correct there
[10:17] <Trevinho> like... load_at_scale...
[10:17] <Trevinho> yep, I saw it
[10:18] <Laney> alright, I'll file it, just for you :)
[10:19] <Trevinho> :)
[10:20]  * Trevinho opened unity at 2x in his non-hdpi monitor... and well, wow... How nice it is!?!
[10:20] <Trevinho> You should give a try to 4x to see the same thing :D
[10:21] <Trevinho> in dash we've just low quality "arrows", but they should be fixed soon
[10:24] <Trevinho> Laney: we've the same also with Trusty's gtk/gio... And, can you scroll your full app list to see if you see something else?
[10:25] <Trevinho> (that's the only one for me)
[10:25] <Laney> seems to be d-feet only
[10:35] <hikiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1498712 look at all these bugs we don't have enough time to fix... :) willcooke Trevinho I guess that's important too isn't it? (accessibility + we have wrong position calculations when the desktop is transformed, in this case zoomed)
[10:36] <hikiko> I think the offset has the size of the scaled decoration from a first quick look
[10:36] <happyaron> hikiko: maybe it's something good to have Kylin people involved on those bugs, too
[10:37] <hikiko> yes :) if you could help in any way that would be great happyaron ! many thanks!
[10:38] <happyaron> hikiko: I saw the meeting with them was canceled, would be nice to raise it in next one
[10:38] <hikiko> sure happyaron :) will do!
[10:39] <willcooke> hikiko, that bug... I think it's worth putting on the list, but low priority
[10:44] <hikiko> ok willcooke changed to low
[10:45] <hikiko> oh noes...
[10:45] <hikiko> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1102024
[10:45] <hikiko> our window ordering... seems to be wrong
[10:45] <hikiko> if I open gimp
[10:46] <hikiko> (with toolbox)
[10:46] <hikiko> and then press the ctrl+super+up/down as he says
[10:46] <hikiko> the toolbox is on top of the maximized window
[10:46] <willcooke> terminal works fine for me
[10:46] <willcooke> lemme try gimp
[10:47] <Trevinho> happyaron: hey, we cancelled the next meeting because they told me there's a big national holiday during that time, not the next ones...
[10:47] <Trevinho> happyaron: I mentioned about that also in the past meetings, but they're quite busy in doing new stuff now, so I hope they'll find time for bugs as well
[10:48] <hikiko> it's because you don't have many win per application willcooke
[10:48] <hikiko> gimp has 3 windows
[10:48] <hikiko> and doesn't work well with gnome terminal :/
[10:48] <willcooke> bug report says terminal
[10:48] <willcooke> works fine for me
[10:48] <willcooke> I'll try 15.10
[10:48] <hikiko> I'll upload the video in a minute
[10:49] <Trevinho> hikiko: so I'm getting that, however enhanced zoom is not enabled yet by default, and that's something we should actually do.... But We'd need the fix for launcher/dash before :)
[10:52] <hikiko> I kno I kno...
[10:52] <hikiko> :/
[10:52] <hikiko> btw willcooke Trevinho https://transfer.sh/qEy90/maximized-term.ogv
[10:52] <hikiko> that's what I mean :/
[10:53] <willcooke> hikiko, opening behind gimp windows?
[10:53] <hikiko> exactly willcooke
[10:53] <willcooke> that's probably not a bug
[10:53] <hikiko> although it's maximized
[10:53] <hikiko> and it has the focus
[10:53] <hikiko> and all windows are normal
[10:53] <willcooke> gimp tool box windows are Utility Windows by default
[10:53] <hikiko> (not always on top for example)
[10:54] <hikiko> so utility windows are on top of the maximized ones?
[10:54] <Trevinho> hikiko: ahhhh...
[10:54] <hikiko> no if I do the same on xfce
[10:54] <hikiko> the maximized win covers everything
[10:54] <Trevinho> hikiko: I think that's a requirement of gimp, in order to be able to use it when the picture is maximzed
[10:54] <Trevinho> or not?
[10:54] <hikiko> no, if you have a 2nd indow manager or DE
[10:55] <hikiko> you can try to do the same
[10:55] <hikiko> and the maximized win goes on top
[10:55] <willcooke> Gimp -> Prefs -> Window Management (near the bottom) -> Hint for docks and toolbox -> Set to normal window -> try again
[10:55] <hikiko> !
[10:55] <hikiko> ok
[10:55] <hikiko> let me see
[10:55] <Trevinho> willcooke: what about making gimp to be default in single-window mode, btw? I guess people coming from other™ OS® would prefer that
[10:55] <willcooke> oh, and re-load gimp
[10:55] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah, I use it it single window mode all the time
[10:56] <willcooke> and it will be for pocket desktop I expect
[10:56] <Trevinho> indeed it's not installed by default, so it shouldn't be much under our radar, but I guess that forcing that would be a nice addition
[10:56] <willcooke> Trevinho, for everyone who likes it, there will be someone who does not.  I don't think it's worth changing, but I don't really mind either way
[10:57] <willcooke> anyway, that bug says terminal max and terminal restore sets the window to be still full screen - which is not what we are seeing
[10:57] <happyaron> Trevinho: yes Oct 1-7 will be National day holidays
[10:57] <Trevinho> indeed... But well, the thing is that: who already used it knows that can change things from settings. Instead the first-time user feeling that gets three windows opened is: "what the f....?!?"
[10:58] <Trevinho> happyaron: I love your holidays :D
[10:58] <willcooke> Trevinho, fair point
[10:59] <Trevinho> I thought we had many national holidays here, but well... Chinese people beaten Italians again :)
[10:59] <Trevinho> (actually we've less NH than UK I think)
[10:59] <happyaron> LOL
[10:59] <davmor2> Trevinho: we only have like 9 days iirc
[10:59] <Laney> https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/
[11:00] <Laney> SRSLY
[11:00] <hikiko> willcooke, I changed to normal and I still get the bug
[11:00] <Trevinho> http://edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2015/01/Wego.jpg
[11:00] <hikiko> "bug"
[11:00] <hikiko> maybe it's not
[11:00] <willcooke> hikiko, ?!?!?!  wmf :D
[11:00] <willcooke> wfm
[11:01] <Trevinho> italy has 11, but it's flexible as we don't have bank days as in UK, so if an holiday is during the weekend we loose it :( (So I guess, it happens everywhere else)
[11:01] <willcooke> hikiko, trying on 15.10
[11:01] <willcooke> urgh
[11:01] <willcooke> downloading gimp @ 45k a sec
[11:02] <Trevinho> nice
[11:02] <hikiko> no no
[11:02] <hikiko> willcooke,
[11:02] <hikiko> no
[11:02] <davmor2> Laney: difference is iirc china get no other days off that is like our 25 plus national
[11:02] <hikiko> pebcak!
[11:02] <willcooke> \o/
[11:02] <hikiko> gimp needed reboot
[11:02] <hikiko> restart
[11:02] <hikiko> sorry
[11:02] <hikiko> :p
[11:02] <willcooke> nw
[11:02] <hikiko> cool one bug less!
[11:03] <willcooke> \m/
[11:03]  * willcooke didn't know about utility windows until now
[11:03] <willcooke> I wonder if u8 supports that
[11:03] <Trevinho> willcooke: I don't think so :)
[11:03] <willcooke> I should speak to robert_ancell about them in xmir rootless
[11:04] <Trevinho> willcooke: there was a discussion IIRC and a doc about this (by JohnLea)
[11:04] <willcooke> ah, kk
[11:04] <Trevinho> (i might find it if you want)
[11:04]  * Trevinho hopes in drive domain search
[11:05] <Trevinho> hikiko: I was looking at https://trello.com/b/9YvUSYqq/unity-7, it looks like you've three tasks in progress... I guess you can adjust them to reflect proper status
[11:05] <willcooke> Trevinho, I remember reading it - it was about a million pages long
[11:06] <willcooke> s/remember/read it but forgot all the content
[11:06] <Trevinho> willcooke: however, I don't think gimp will run natively there until we don't get the gtk3 port
[11:07] <Trevinho> (not sure what's its status)
[11:07] <willcooke> yeah, it'll be Xmir, but maybe xmir rootless
[11:07] <willcooke> *maybe*
[11:07] <Trevinho> It's funny that the GimpToolKit is at 3.0 (heading to 4.0), and gimp is still on 2
[11:08] <willcooke> urgh - gimp downloading at 17k sec now.  I think my router needs a reboot
[11:08] <Trevinho> do you have fiber or what?
[11:08] <willcooke> 2 x vdsl
[11:08] <Trevinho> ah, nice... I've VDSL as well. But just one :o
[11:08] <Trevinho> how much is the speed there?
[11:08] <willcooke> in theory I should be able to download a from a single server @ 40 Mbps
[11:08] <Trevinho> ah, so... 40 x2..
[11:09] <willcooke> If I'm downloading from multiple servers (e.g. iso torrents of Ubuntu) then I should be able to hit 80 -> 100 Mbps
[11:09] <Trevinho> Mh, I've 30 Mbps, but they should be upgrade it to 50 at some point.... And next year FTTH finally (300Mbps).
[11:09]  * Trevinho dreams
[11:10] <willcooke> I went from 8 Mbps x 2 to 40/50 (depending on the weather) x 2
[11:10] <willcooke> I thought that would be soooo much that I could drop one of the lines
[11:10] <willcooke> but no
[11:10] <Trevinho> Ahah
[11:10] <willcooke> MOAR GBS
[11:10] <Trevinho> Well, at the end if you end up in a server that is not responsive as it should, it doesn't matter
[11:10] <Trevinho> (as probably in this case)
[11:11]  * didrocks loves his FTTH at 1Gbps
[11:11] <hikiko> ok Trevinho
[11:11] <Laney> HAHA
[11:11] <willcooke>  /o\
[11:11] <hikiko> I added some activity :p
[11:11] <Laney> i knew that didrocks was going to appear
[11:11] <didrocks> ;)
[11:11] <didrocks> \o/
[11:11] <Trevinho> didrocks: don't troll us, 3rd world guys!
[11:11] <Trevinho> it's not kind
[11:11] <didrocks> well, I'm using wifi thus, so the gig… :)
[11:11] <Trevinho> :)
[11:12] <Trevinho> didrocks: how much is that?
[11:12] <didrocks> Trevinho: 30€/month (incl phone and tv)
[11:12] <Trevinho> wow
[11:13] <didrocks> yeah, quite nice :)
[11:13] <didrocks> most plans have 300Mbps for 38-39€
[11:13] <Trevinho> I'm 34 times slower paying just 10€ less (but because I've a good deal, main operators gives you 30Mbps for 45€, and nothing else included)
[11:14] <Trevinho> didrocks: and is that symmetric?
[11:14] <didrocks> Trevinho: no, but still 200Meg up
[11:14]  * Trevinho can now cry and go back to serious stuff
[11:14] <didrocks> :p
[11:15] <Trevinho> think that when I'm at my parents' home (in countryside) I've just a crappy 6/0.5 Mbps ADSL -_-
[11:16] <didrocks> well, my parents are at 2… so yeah, I know the feeling :)
[11:16] <hikiko> Trevinho, remember the bandwith in Changsha when you used vpn etc and stop complaining!
[11:16] <hikiko> your adsl is super fast :p
[11:16] <Trevinho> mh, right
[11:16] <Trevinho> well, that was super-fast... When you only needed Chinese stuff
[11:16] <didrocks> heh :)
[11:17] <hikiko> true
[11:26] <andyrock> good morning
[11:26] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[11:27] <andyrock> sleepy :D
[11:31] <qengho> good morning
[11:34] <didrocks> hey andyrock, qengho!
[11:44] <seb128> hey qengho
[11:45]  * happyaron wants to write something that changes wallpaper automatically
[11:45]  * happyaron will do it
[11:46] <Laney> "gsettings set" ?
[11:46] <happyaron> with some crawling functions
[11:47] <happyaron> and I love KDE
[11:48] <Laney> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SlideshowWallpapers ?
[11:48] <happyaron> I know that and is dealing with the Kylin wallpapers...
[11:49] <happyaron> but I want to crawl wallpapers from some Internet sites and change to those wallpapers automatically
[11:49] <seb128> Laney, desrt, larsu, could https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/284909f1836f8bba8cc9703066f408c7bee28de6 be a glib bug?
[11:49] <seb128> g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links))
[11:49] <seb128> just have it when starting pidgin on my wily
[11:50] <seb128> we got a few recent similar reports
[11:55] <willcooke> desktoppers:  http://ubuntuonair.com/  <-- Snappy Clinic for people who want to learn a bit about Snappy.  It'll be recorded
[11:55] <willcooke> starts in about 30 mins
[11:55] <Trevinho> it works :)
[11:55] <andyrock> \o/
[11:55] <hikiko|ln> :D
[11:55] <willcooke> :D:D
[11:55] <seb128> what works?
[11:55]  * willcooke is loving the hellos as well
[11:55] <Trevinho> (ehm I meant the highlighting :P)
[11:55] <seb128> oh, keywords ;-)
[11:56]  * seb128 likes the hellos, the channel feels more active
[11:56] <willcooke> +1
[11:56] <Trevinho> it's tempting now to bother everyone by saying deskto***ppers at every second :D
[11:56] <seb128> lol
[11:57] <hikiko|ln> hey, could anyone write add a testimonial here (if you have some time I mean)? thanks in advance! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hikiko
[11:57] <hikiko|ln> :s/add//g
[11:57] <hikiko|ln> brb
[11:57] <didrocks> ok, I'm starting to hate javascript rendered page :p
[11:58] <didrocks> (yeah, I told that)
[11:58] <didrocks> I wonder how I can fix that in ubuntu make
[11:59] <seb128> hikiko|ln, sure
[11:59] <seb128> hikiko|ln, what do you apply for? ubuntu membership?
[11:59] <hikiko|ln> yes seb128
[11:59] <seb128> you should write it on the page ;-)
[12:01] <hikiko|ln> where? I was copying willcooke's page tbh :p plagiarism :p
[12:02] <hikiko|ln> sec
[12:03] <seb128> ok, maybe not
[12:03] <seb128> your page feels a bit light though
[12:03] <hikiko|ln> :|
[12:03] <seb128> maybe give some example of things you fixed
[12:04] <hikiko|ln> but there are all in lp and I wrote that I work on nux, compiz and unity... :)
[12:04]  * didrocks has a terrible idea… let's see how it goes
[12:04] <seb128> well, it's just my feeling, but the contributions and futur goals section could be a bit more verbose
[12:04] <seb128> but maybe it's fine
[12:05] <seb128> hikiko|ln, in any case I'm going to add something to your page ;-)
[12:05] <hikiko|ln> thanks a lot seb128 :)
[12:05] <seb128> yw!
[12:09] <willcooke> hikiko|ln, mutant star goat?  :)  HHGTTG ftw
[12:09]  * willcooke lives in perpetual fear of the time he calls The Coming Of The Great White Handkerchief
[12:10] <hikiko|ln> haha yes
[12:11] <hikiko> I am back from lunch btw I forgot the nick
[12:11] <hikiko> :p
[12:13]  * willcooke expects qengho knows these refs as well ^
[12:18] <didrocks> the evil solution worked \m/
[12:25] <seb128> didrocks, don't tell anyone about it then ;-)
[12:26] <didrocks> seb128: oh, I won't, I need to adapt tests for it though :p
[12:54] <larsu> seb128: [not sure if already answered above] could be, but it's more likely that someone is using the api wrong
[12:54] <larsu> seb128: shall I look into it?
[12:54] <seb128> larsu, if you want, but pidgin is gtk2, so if something is using it wrongly it's unity-gtk-module I guess?
[12:55] <seb128> so maybe one for attente?
[12:56] <Laney> Any special steps to make it happen?
[12:56] <seb128> no, it stopped doing it
[12:56] <seb128> "starting pidgin" did it the first 3 times
[12:56] <seb128> like clicking on the dash or starting from a command line
[12:57] <Laney> I started it like 10 times
[12:57] <seb128> yeah, it stopped doing it here now
[12:58] <larsu> yes, it's in unity-gtk-module
[12:58] <larsu> attente knows this much better than I (if he has time)
[12:59] <seb128> desrt, just crossed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/217269912/Stacktrace.txt which might interest you (or not), "g_file_monitor_source_handle_event: code should not be reached" bt in 2.45.7
[12:59] <attente> weird, unity-gtk-module hasn't really changed in over a year
[12:59] <larsu> maybe a menu in pidgin has and is hitting an edge case?
[13:00] <seb128> attente, I don't think that bug is new
[13:00] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1427739 seems similar
[13:00] <seb128> which is from 15.04 but just got a duplicate report from wily
[13:00] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/199262767/Stacktrace.txt
[13:01] <seb128> so maybe not happening often and just some coincidences
[13:02] <seb128> hum
[13:02] <seb128> closing pidgin just made unity-panel-service segfault
[13:03] <larsu> no problem! It restarts! WONTCLOSE
[13:03] <larsu> *WONTFIX
[13:03] <seb128> #0  0xffffffff in gtk_menu_tracker_model_changed (tracker=0xb452a5c0, tracker=0xb452a5c0, n_items=1, offset=<optimized out>, change_point=0xb450e30c)
[13:03] <seb128>     at /build/gtk+3.0-78a2wN/gtk+3.0-3.16.7/./gtk/gtkmenutracker.c:290
[13:03] <seb128> I can reproduce by exiting pidgin
[13:05] <seb128> oh, pidgin triggered apport as well, bug #1499318
[13:05] <qengho> willcooke: I didn't remember that handkerchief one. :(
[13:05] <seb128> I don't understand what those reports are though
[13:05] <seb128> recoverable errors?
[13:06] <seb128> what has a hook for that one?
[13:06] <larsu> hook?
[13:06] <seb128> well, that's not a segfault
[13:06] <seb128> it's an apport special type of report
[13:06] <seb128> but unsure who declared those and on what it triggers
[13:06] <seb128> well, the GMenuModelItemsChangedInvalidIndex apport report I mean
[13:07] <larsu> gcriticals?
[13:07] <seb128> the segfaults/assert are real
[13:09] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12541905/ is the unity-panel-server segfault
[13:10] <seb128> position=-1
[13:10] <seb128> is that possible/normal?
[13:12] <seb128> shrug, and why is apport not triggering on u-p-s segfaults :-/
[13:15] <larsu> no, this shouldn't happen
[13:15] <larsu> off-by-one error somewhere in u-g-m?
[13:16] <seb128> bug #1499133 is the u-p-s segfault
[13:16] <seb128> attente, can you have a look? let me know if debug info would be useful
[13:17] <attente> seb128: yep, looking!
[13:17]  * Trevinho leaves for ~1hr
[13:17] <seb128> Trevinho, have fun!
[13:19] <seb128> hum, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1499117 is recent as well
[13:19] <seb128> 2.45.8/./gio/gmenumodel.c:400:g_menu_model_real_get_item_link: code should not be reached"
[13:20] <desrt> hello desktop
[13:20] <desrt> i am here
[13:20] <seb128> desrt, hey
[13:20] <seb128> desrt, good timing, some potential glib issues in the recent channel backlog :-)
[13:21] <desrt> i see that
[13:21] <desrt> the file monitor stuff?
[13:21] <seb128> I just mentioned that one because it's a "code should not be reached", I just saw 1 report
[13:22] <seb128> in case you would be interested
[13:22] <desrt> that sounds like my stuff :)
[13:22] <desrt> it asserts?  call desrt!
[13:22] <seb128> :-)
[13:30] <didrocks> hey desrt! :)
[13:48] <seb128> Laney, should we sync the new gst-fluendo-mp3 to wily?
[14:02] <Laney> seb128: probably don't want to drop packages now, wasn't going to bother
[14:04] <seb128> Laney, ok, it should fix bug #1358368 from the ChangeLog, I wonder if we should do some fix backporting then
[14:06] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/182644117/gst-fluendo-mp3_0.10.29.debian-1_0.10.29.debian-1ubuntu1.diff.gz I think fixes the same bug
[14:06] <Laney> it turns off that code path anyway
[14:06] <seb128> yeah, I though so, unsure if that has side effect/if the official fix is better
[14:06] <seb128> anyway that can wait next cycle
[14:06] <seb128> thanks
[14:06] <Laney> probably is but I don't think they hve the bug
[14:06] <Laney> if you want to do it then grab the orig and 0ubuntu1 the update
[14:07] <seb128> k
[14:22] <attente> seb128: it stopped reproducing for you entirely now?
[14:22] <seb128> attente, which one? the pidgin or unity-panel-service one?
[14:23] <attente> the pidgin one
[14:23] <seb128> the ups segfault is easy to get by closing pidgin
[14:23] <seb128> I had it a few times again
[14:23] <seb128> I can try to get info if you want, tell me what you need
[14:23] <larsu> speaking of which... are we declaring chat on desktop dead or will we s/empathy/pidgin before the lts?
[14:24] <seb128> I would argue for empathy->piding if pidgin wasn't still gtk2
[14:24] <seb128> but it is
[14:24] <seb128> so unsure
[14:24] <seb128> that's one of the topics for London
[14:25] <attente> seb128: do you know if pidgin' parent or child process is crashing?
[14:25] <larsu> oh weird. Is there no activity on that one either?
[14:25] <seb128> attente, could be, it's behaving weirdly, like the buddy list is not showing sometime
[14:26] <attente> like i mean if you gdb pidgin with set-follow-fork to child, does it segfault there?
[14:26] <seb128> larsu, there is, but not a lot and gtk3 doesn't seem an obvious "must do" to everybody
[14:26] <attente> er. "set follow-fork-mode child"
[14:27] <seb128> [Inferior 2 (process 14960) exited normally]
[14:27] <seb128> (gdb) **
[14:27] <seb128> GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-9TzlcR/glib2.0-2.45.8/./gio/gmenuexporter.c:256:g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed: assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links))
[14:27] <attente> so i guess that means the parent is crashing?
[14:28] <attente> can you paste the bt for that?
[14:28] <seb128> attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542582/
[14:28] <seb128> "that"?
[14:29] <seb128> attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542593/
[14:29] <attente> oh, sorry, i meant reproduce, except without the "set-follow-fork-mode child"
[14:29] <seb128> let me install libunity-gtk2-parser.so.0 debigs
[14:29] <seb128> debugs
[14:29] <attente> thanks
[14:30] <attente> and libunity-gtk2-parser0-dbgsym too please
[14:30] <attente> er, sorry
[14:32] <seb128> attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542615/
[14:34] <attente> seb128: thanks
[14:34] <seb128> yw
[14:34] <seb128> is that useful?
[14:36] <attente> not really sure yet tbh. probably not, seems to have pretty much the same info as the error report
[14:39] <seb128> attente, ups has some warnings
[14:39] <seb128> (unity-panel-service:17865): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_label_set_text_with_mnemonic: assertion 'str != NULL' failed
[14:40] <seb128> attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542693/ is the bt of one of the warnings
[14:46] <seb128> attente, larsu, I've submenus with "No actions available" greyed section in pidgin, could that be a special case that confuses the parser?
[14:47] <seb128> like try to enable a bonjour account
[14:48] <seb128> larsu, attente, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/submenus.png
[14:48] <attente> seb128: seems like pidgin is explicitly adding that item
[14:48]  * didrocks waves good bye, going for some nap (getting more sick and I'll need to be on shape to focus on some doc tomorrow morning)
[14:49] <seb128> didrocks, get better!
[14:49] <didrocks> thx
[14:50] <seb128> attente, try enabling a bonjour account in pidgin and get online, that might be enough to trigger it for you as well?
[14:51] <seb128> hum
[14:52] <seb128> desrt, larsu, attente, that pidgin assert doesn't happen if I ld_library_load glib 2.44.1
[14:52] <seb128> LD_LIBRARY_PATH I mean
[14:53] <seb128> or ld_preload libglib-2.0.so.0.4400.1
[14:55] <attente> seb128: yeah... that definitely triggered it
[14:56] <seb128> attente, the bonjour account?
[14:56] <attente> seb128: yep
[14:56] <seb128> great
[14:56] <seb128> going to make easier to debug if it can be reproduced
[14:57] <attente> i'll try the older glib too...
[14:57] <seb128> well, it's going to work, it's pretty reliable
[14:57] <seb128> so something change in glib that makes your code grumpy
[14:59] <attente> git bisect? :)
[14:59] <seb128> you like those :-)
[15:04] <attente> seb128: yup, you're right :) bisecting...
[15:04] <seb128> hehe
[15:12] <andyrock> desrt: ping
[15:19] <seb128> attente, hum, starting gedit displays those warning
[15:19] <seb128> ** (gedit:21929): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-menu-shell.c:176):unity_gtk_menu_shell_show_item: code should not be reached
[15:20] <seb128> wonder if that's the same issue
[15:20] <seb128> that's new as well I think
[15:20] <attente> yeah... what's going on here?
[15:21] <Laney> woah
[15:21] <Laney> yeah if you enable the External Tools plugin...
[15:21] <Laney> ** (gedit:32245): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-menu-shell.c:176):unity_gtk_menu_shell_show_item: code should not be reached
[15:21] <Laney> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gedit/plugins/externaltools/windowactivatable.py:208: Warning: g_sequence_iter_next: assertion 'iter != NULL' failed ui_manager.ensure_update()
[15:21] <Laney> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gedit/plugins/externaltools/windowactivatable.py:208: Warning: g_sequence_iter_get_position: assertion 'iter != NULL' failed ui_manager.ensure_update()
[15:22] <Laney> **
[15:22] <Laney> GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-h3kZN2/glib2.0-2.46.0/./gio/gmenuexporter.c:256:g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed: assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links))
[15:22] <Laney> [1]    32245 abort (core dumped)  gedit
[15:22] <seb128> ah!
[15:22] <seb128> I'm not alone
[15:22] <Laney> it's a terrible club and I want to quit it
[15:22] <willcooke> :)
[15:22] <seb128> I think it's either the recent gtk or glib update, I would bet on glib since ldpreloading the old one fixes those
[15:22] <Laney> desrt always says that it is someone using the API wrong :)
[15:22] <seb128> haha
[15:23] <attente> lol
[15:32] <hikiko> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/815996 did you manage to reproduce it? I saw your tag I was about to mark it as invalid
[15:35] <seb128> willcooke, bamf is sort of part of unity and it looks like it could benefit from a run of the script that close old apport segfault untouched bugs
[15:35] <hikiko> oops I have to go... see you later! :)
[15:36] <larsu> seb128: sort of?
[15:37] <seb128> larsu, well, I though it was used by some other docks/desktop environments nowadays
[15:37] <seb128> but yeah
[15:39] <larsu> not sure, might be
[15:41] <Trevinho> seb128: Yes... There's not much to close there, but ok
[15:43] <larsu> bamf is perfect
[15:43] <Trevinho> It is :-P
[15:43] <seb128> Trevinho, there is a stack of old segfaults in _XReply
[15:43] <seb128> script closing them would be nice
[15:44] <Trevinho> Sure...
[16:01] <andyrock> and a script to close all the bugs that are marked need-design and start with 7*
[16:01] <andyrock> :D
[16:02] <larsu> pretty sure it "needs design" "P
[16:02] <andyrock> :F
[16:02] <andyrock> :D
[16:03] <andyrock> the script can close them with a nice comment
[16:03] <andyrock> something like
[16:03] <andyrock> "this design is s**t"
[16:03] <andyrock> ahah :D
[16:31] <desrt> andyrock: hi
[16:32] <andyrock> desrt: hey! I'm debugging a indicator-appmenu memory leak
[16:32] <andyrock> basically it seems like that some (quite a lot) memory is not freed when an application is closed
[16:32] <desrt> event_type=4294967295
[16:32] <desrt> curious
[16:33] <desrt> andyrock: that's correct.
[16:33] <andyrock> i'm using G_SLICE=debug-blocks G_DEBUG=gc-friendly valgrind
[16:33] <desrt> just use G_SLICE=always-malloc
[16:33] <andyrock> well i used that too
[16:33] <desrt> but don't expect glib to release all memory before it quits.  we just don't do that.
[16:33] <andyrock> but I'm getting too much noice
[16:33] <andyrock> *noise
[16:33] <desrt> ignore the reachable bits and focus on the unreachable stuff
[16:34] <desrt> we've had an idea to support freeing all memory on exit (not enabled normally) in order to help reduce valgrind noise but the effort stalled for a couple of reasons
[16:34] <desrt> it's _extremely_ difficult to do this in a nice way
[16:35] <andyrock> k valgrind should work too in this case? I mean indicator-appmenu is a library
[16:35] <desrt> yes.  you just have to know how to use valgrind properly
[16:35] <andyrock> so I'm just loading it using  indicator-loader
[16:35] <andyrock> not sure if valgrind can help in this case
[16:36] <desrt> andyrock: valgrind reports reachable, maybe-reachable and unreachable blocks
[16:36] <desrt> you need to only look at the unreachable stuff....
[16:53] <seb128> nessita, hey, did you see my ping the other day? ;-)
[16:54] <seb128> ups, sorry, ctrl-W with wrong win
[17:06]  * Laney sniggers
[17:08] <seb128> Laney, nervous one?
[17:08] <Laney> sort of
[17:08] <Laney> it's more HAHAHA UPLOADING GSTREAMER STACK THEN IMMEDIATELY LEAVING
[17:08] <Laney> but it will be frozen anyway
[17:08] <Laney> so :(
[17:08] <seb128> hehe
[17:09] <seb128> have fun!
[17:09]  * seb128 is going to call it a day soon
[17:09] <seb128> spent most day in launchpad reviewing bugs and triaging/picking things that should be fixed in the next cycles
[17:10] <Laney> some time in the swamp
[17:10] <Laney> good for the skin
[17:16] <seb128> lol
[17:21] <Laney> ttyl
[17:25] <desrt> i'm going to head out to go to seneca@york soon
[17:25] <desrt> i left my laptop's power adaptor there during the X developers conference and i need to go pick it up
[17:25] <desrt> i'll be in the subway, so no net access
[17:25] <desrt> will be back later in the afternoon
[17:26] <desrt> i will not be around during tomorrow, hoever.  i will be driving a car to cincinnati
[17:28] <seb128> desrt, drive safely!
[17:32] <willcooke> safe travels desrt
[17:34] <kgunn> willcooke: hey do you know when the wily beta is gonna be cut and the freeze will be over ?
[17:35] <willcooke> kgunn, aiui freeze in to wily won't be over now, so you'll have to wait until X is open
[17:36] <willcooke> Final beta freeze is today
[17:36] <willcooke> kgunn, final freeze is Oct 15
[17:36] <kgunn> willcooke: right, my understanding is things could at least move into proposed once the beta has been curated
[17:36] <kgunn> eg today
[17:36] <kgunn> willcooke: otherwise the whole idea of dual landing is borked
[17:39]  * Trevinho leaving again for some football (soccer, meh) playing.... Back later
[17:39] <kgunn> situation is such...dual landing happened last night of mir/u-s-c, freeze happens
[17:39] <willcooke> kgunn, well, I guess there is a difference between bugs and features right
[17:39] <willcooke> if you're talking about bugs, then final freeze is Oct 15
[17:39] <kgunn> pkgs migrate to vivid+o, but sit in "UNAPPROVED" queue for wily due to freeze
[17:39] <kgunn> this is worst case
[17:40] <kgunn> b/c we can't  even force merge etc
[17:40] <kgunn> meaning, anything in this state can't have anything else landed
[17:40] <kgunn> little bit better state is to at least have those pkgs go to proposed pocket
[17:41] <kgunn> where we can force merge, and continue landing (and overwriting whatever is in proposed)
[17:41] <seb128> kgunn, try asking on #ubuntu-release
[17:41] <seb128> but things that are phone specific should be let through
[17:41] <seb128> things in mir/used somewhere else needs manual ack
[18:02] <kgunn> seb128: thanks and tried asking on #ubuntu-release... crickets
[18:46] <willcooke> g'night all
[19:38] <andyrock> eod
[19:38] <andyrock> night all
[19:38] <andyrock> !
[21:23] <robert_ancell> hi all
[22:29] <attente> good night
[22:33] <TheMuso> Morning folks.
[22:51] <Trevinho> 'night


[00:00] <user|bob76> Hello, I have an issue with "Input Signal Out of Range" on my main computer.  After the last update, it requested a restart and after I logged on, the screen went blank the out of range message.  I am using Kubuntu 19.10  What can I do?
[00:19] <IrcsomeBot1> safeer_pasha was added by: safeer_pasha
 hmmm, sounds like a possible bad video driver update...
[02:13] <user|bob76> I'm a rookie Linux user. I can get into root so I am going to try upgrading to 20.04
[02:21] <gabriel_> hi there
[02:21] <gabriel_> just started learning elixir out of curiosity
[02:24] <dcolaneri> hi
[02:44] <user|bob76> no luck
[02:48] <user|bob76> I recently updated kubuntu 19.10 and after a restart I log into my user and the screen goes blank and a message "input signal out of range".  I can reboot and go into recovery mode.  Is there a way I can fix my problem from root shell prompt?
[05:48] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:46] <sakis> 647474
[06:46] <sakis> yeyyteuyete
[06:46] <sakis> eeye66e7ete6etyeteyeteyeyyeeyteyetyetyeyeyeye
[06:47] <sakis> y226y2y2
[06:51] <sakis> ghey
[07:05] <almurick> bonjour, une recommmandation pour une application de chat video ?
 Jitsi meet works well and it is open source
[07:20] <almurick> thx I will give it a try _
[08:13] <lordievader> Otherwise Big Blue Button works well too, though I'm not sure if it is open-source.
[08:41] <almurick> thanks a lot @lordievader
 Is the upgrade from Eoan to Fossa suppose to remove Korganizer, Kmail & Kaddressbook? It did on my laptop! (It was a failed upgrade and I had to re-enable sources then apt update in the terminal to get Fossa packages) This was fine, as I do not use the Kontact suit on my work laptop. I want to upgrade my main machine. I very much do use all the Kontact apps and do not want them removed or data deleted! What is the situation
[09:56] <IrcsomeBot1> here? Thanks.
 If you set them to manually installed, they should not get removed. they are no more standard in Kubuntu, but still available in the repositories. of course, a backup would not be a bad idea...or a snapshot if you use lvm...
 @Niggolas, How do you set them to be manually installed??
 If you try to install them with apt, it will refuse to install them, as they are already installed and flag them as manually installed
 I want to just run the release-upgrader. When the release-upgrader failed on my work machine I had to use apt. I then used autoremove to clean up. Provided the installer works properly this time is there a way for it to make an exception for the Kontact suit?
 when I updated from 19.10 to 20.04, kmail and kontact where not removed
 Ok, good to hear!
 they, are indeed no longer standard apps in Kubuntu, according to the release note, but normally they should not have been removed..
 Are you on 19.10 or 18.04?
 19.10
 ok,...good luck!
[10:24] <fsr> hi
[11:42] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:20] <yrihooker> hello
[13:43] <zakaria> hi
[13:43] <zakaria> imnew to linux and lutris
[13:43] <zakaria> how do i add game to lutris
[13:44] <zakaria> the app seems empty
[15:51] <user|96768> good morning. I just downloaded ubuntu server for raspberry pi4, installed and then I ran sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop, it started downloading evrything but when finished and rebooted now is not booting. Screen stop at 25.887867 cloud-init[1510]: cloud-init v. 20.1
[15:51] <user|96768> it says also datasource datasourcenocluod
[15:51] <user|96768> can you help me please_
[15:51] <user|96768> ?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> user|96768, usually ubuntu server is used without a DE and kubuntu desktop on a rpi is probly going to be slow once installed
[15:56] <BluesKaj> user|96768, best place to ask is #raspberrypi chat
[15:58] <user|96768> I followed instructions on ubuntu site :(
[15:58] <user|96768> but would be slow even on a pi4 with 4gb ram ?
[16:00] <masonbee-M> Yeah, they are official instructions (https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi/thank-you?version=20.04&architecture=arm64+raspi)
[16:00] <masonbee-M> Maybe don't click on that link, it auto download the ubuntu image. Sorry.
[16:03] <oerheks1> indeed, it gives an example to install kubuntu, too heavy for pi4
[16:03] <oerheks1> try mate/xubuntu/lubuntu
[16:04] <masonbee-M> Maybe not, it should be a copy compiled for pi. Kubuntu is light enough if you remove a few things.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> 4GB ram is minimum for desktops so it might be adequate it you remove some apps that you'll never use
[16:07] <BluesKaj> it=if
[16:11] <masonbee-M> user|96768: Assuming it is a Pi 4, you might find some ideas on this thread. https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=245287 Sorry, I can't be more help. I haven't had anything to do with pi for quite a few years.
[16:12] <user|96768> yes, it is a pi 4 4GB
[16:15] <user|96768> I was so happy I could install kubuntu on my pi4 :(
[16:16] <user|96768> but I should still be able to run the kubuntu? problem is that boot stops on that cloud-init datasourcenocloud
[16:22] <oerheks1> mind that rasppi 4 is ARM ..
[16:24] <user|96768> yes
[16:27] <oerheks1> one could try this memory fix https://askubuntu.com/questions/1185560/ubuntu-19-10-on-raspberrypi-4-hangs-on-first-boot  -- Set total_mem=3072 in /boot/firmware/usercfg.txt
[16:28] <oerheks1> or  /volumes/system-boot/usercfg.txt, see the next post
[16:29] <oerheks1> good luck, i think kubuntu/plasma is too heavy without serious tweaking
[16:31] <Shesh> Hi
[16:32] <Shesh> Is there any method to set reminders ? Like Good night @ 10 PM , tea time @ 4 PM et
[16:32] <Shesh> etc*
[16:32] <Shesh> I am using 20.04
[16:46] <hko> Hey
[16:47] <hko> I've been using Linux for xx years but now ive troubble... i run Kubuntu LIVE-USB. Can i install Ubuntu Deskop from Live-USB?
[16:47] <hko> from Kubuntu live-usb*
[16:51] <BluesKaj> hko, you can install any desktop with your packaga manager or apt
[16:52] <BluesKaj> package manager that is
[16:52] <BluesKaj> no need for live session to do that
[16:55] <hko> apt doesnt work
[17:08] <BluesKaj> hko, what do you mean apt doesn't work ? , more details please
[17:12] <hko> hmm.. cant paste
[17:12] <hko> too long i guess. w8 1s
[17:13] <hko> Code: 0) There was an error with TheP(aste)B.in!
[17:13] <hko> its one line..
[17:13] <hko> w8 then
[17:14] <BluesKaj> do you have ubuntu installed on that computer or are you trying to install kubuntu OS to the drive
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> no textspeak please,  use real English
[17:20] <hko> This happens with a "apt update" "apt install" and so on.. https://www.henkish.com/2020/05/15/printscreen/
[17:21] <hko> @BluesKaj har kubuntu installerat men kör jusst nu från live cd. samma problem körde direkt från hdd
[17:22] <hko> sorry'!
[17:22] <BluesKaj> cosmic is EOL , you need to do a clean install
[17:22] <hko> BluesKaj I have Kubuntu installed, had same problem.Now im on live-cd.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> anyway i have to leave
[17:23] <BluesKaj> !EOL | hko
[17:23] <hko> I installed Kubuntu (only dist i have on USB :/) from scratch
[17:24] <BluesKaj> so you know what to do
[17:24] <oerheks1> hko, cosmic is dead, download a supported iso, 18.04/19.10/20/04
[17:29] <hko> ok... i didnt have any other on usb
[17:30] <hko> trying to get another on usb
[17:30] <oerheks1> just overwrite that usb ..
[17:32] <hko> ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:32] <hko> yes
[17:32] <hko> but now i cant even open maps with damn dolpin.. i have downloaded unetbootin,
[17:33] <hko> dirs
[18:31] <sakis> tyr
[18:31] <sakis> tyr
[19:48] <user|52546> How to fix bluetooth connection, I try to add a new device and neither of my speakers appears, they both connect to my mac and phones no problem.  Any ideas?
[22:35] <xyz_> Hello!
 Hi!
[23:31] <leaftype> I have a bug in Elisa where the music scan won't fill the database (no albums, etc)... I think it's related to this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397071 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420217
[23:32] <leaftype> hey, good ubottu
[23:32] <leaftype> so I'm assuming it might fix/reset if I delete the index/databse for elisa... if I can find it
[23:57] <leaftype> ah, I found it, it was in ~/.local/share/elisa , after renaiming the db file and reloading elisa, it's not populated correctly


[00:01] <rexonis> My mSATA idles at 44C. Is that healthy?
[00:02] <rexonis> With a fan running on it it goes down to 38C.
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:04] <redditlukls> Hi.
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> hey
[03:04] <redditlukls> What makes Ubuntu preferable to Mageia?
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: i didnt test mageia myself, so wouldnt know
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: i can only say the ubuntu experience pleases me very
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: we also support only official flavors of ubuntu here
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> !falvors | redditlukls
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> !flavors
[03:06] <redditlukls> What about MaTE?
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: mate is also supported yes
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: there's a pretty nice channel at #ubuntu-mate
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: but in my opinion, choosing a vanilla ubuntu working like a charm, then you can go all sides you want
[03:07] <redditlukls> What's that mean?
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: you can make ubuntu look, the way you want
[03:07] <redditlukls> You prefer Ubuntu vs Ubuntu MATE?
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: install a wm of de of your choice
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: well its hard to discuss likes/dislikes, but im a unity guy
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: maybe you should ask first, what you really need?
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: what are you looking for in an Os?
[03:31] <redditlukls> I guess something easy, feature-rich, and exciting.
[03:31] <redditlukls> And easy on the CPU.
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: you can make every ubuntu rich, the way you want it, installing packages
[03:33] <redditlukls> lotuspsychje, I used Manjaro KDE and it felt very exciting to me.
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> redditlukls: maybe go for the official kubuntu then?
[03:35] <redditlukls> Good idea.
[03:35] <redditlukls> Why don't you use Kubuntu?
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> im a unity guy
[03:35] <redditlukls> KDE these days is absolutely excellent.
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> baizon: support is going easy
[05:32] <baizon> =)
[05:32] <baizon> no issues ? :D
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> was rather calm
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/xubuntu-16-04-lts-and-lubuntu-16-04-lts-get-their-final-betas-download-now-502239.shtml
[06:36] <baizon> using already xubuntu 16.04 on my laptop :D
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> baizon: oh cool, whats it like?
[06:39] <baizon> like xubuntu :D
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> loll
[06:39] <baizon> nothing changes there
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> overal performance?
[06:40] <baizon> same :D
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> nothing better?
[06:40] <baizon> xfce isnt changing at all
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> ok
[06:40] <baizon> performance is always good @xubuntu
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> yeah on fast machines of today its rocknroll
[09:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/the-first-ubuntu-tablet-bq-aquaris-m10-is-available-for-pre-order-now-502231.shtml
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> afternoon BluesKaj
[14:54] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> man im gonna be happy when 16.04 comes out
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> all the wily issues....
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> its like the whole world installed non-lts :p
[15:04] <nicomachus> gotta be "bleeding edge"
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> dax: the !boot trigger shows the rc.local way, maybe also adapt for systemd?
[16:40] <dax> !boot
[16:40] <dax> oh gods
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> dax: : )
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> dax: im just doublecheck, while using them in the field
[16:41] <dax> which version did we switch from upstart to systemd, i always forget
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> 15.04 i think
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> !systemd
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> yep
[16:44] <dax> does ubuntu systemd have rc-local.service?
[16:45] <dax> (am at work, don't have an ubuntu system newer than 14.04 here)
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> dax: not sure sorry, im also on trusty here
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> just tested systemd recently on xenial
[16:46] <dax> elky: can you remind me to check this at lunch if nobody else does beforehand ^
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> dax: or maybe just delete the script part from !boot?
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> dax: as its more related to booting/boot options
[16:46] <dax> !search rc.local
[16:47] <dax> might stick it in its own factoid with instructions for enabling rc-local.service, assuming it exists
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> dax: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd
[16:49] <dax> personally i just use cron with @reboot :\
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:50] <dax> easier to make it use the right user that way
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> dax: but i must say systemd on xenial is bloody fast
[16:50] <dax> https://paste.ubuntu.com/15540969/
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> plymouth hasnt time to show almost
[16:50] <dax> looks like /etc/rc.local should work in systemd...
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> ok
[16:51] <dax> i'll double-check later, but yeah
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> bbl


[00:05] <wgrant> stgraber: Did the revert actually cause problems? Why did your machines care? The previous version was restored in the bad version's place, so it should only have prevented installations of exact versioned dependencies.
[00:09] <stgraber> wgrant: I have a nagios check on all systems I managed which triggers if I have packages that are installed from an unknown source
[00:10] <stgraber> wgrant: it usually indicates somebody screwed something up in the archive :)
[00:10] <wgrant> Ah
[00:10] <wgrant> Well in this case it indicated that you had a bad update, so working as intended.
[00:44] <slangasek> hrm
[00:44] <slangasek> where is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/arm64/inkscape/0.91-8ubuntu2 ?
[00:45] <slangasek> y
[05:49] <slangasek> have done some analysis on the gdal+poppler transition; pdf2htmlex needs a fix for an s390x build failure, inkscape I've reuploaded to correct the awol arm64 build, libreoffice has a FTBFS that needs sorted, and libgdcm-tools is broken upstream and will need removed or its uninstallability ignored
[10:06] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: hi, shouldn't bug 1574727 have efibootmgr instead of efivar? or both?
[11:05] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: I'm not sure... cyphermox ^
[11:06] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: the queue only has efibootmgr but the bug doesn't mention it
[11:06] <tjaalton> as being affected
[14:07] <cyphermox> tjaalton: indeed, it should have efibootmgr too, sorry. I found that out while testing -- the new efivar breaks the old efibootmgr
[14:07] <tjaalton> cyphermox: heh, ok
[15:04] <ginggs> michi: hi, would you have a look at the ftbfs in thumbnailer, please? i think it might be similar to failure in
[15:04] <ginggs> persistent-cache-cpp
[15:39] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'll be doing some more SRU reviews today as I'm still working on some tool changes to add release tasks to bugs, so feel free to skip your shift.
[15:54] <slangasek> bdmurray: got it, thanks
[16:10] <bdmurray> coreycb: With regards to your comment in bug 1546116 - what will the Liberty cloud archive do once Wily is EoL?
[16:13] <coreycb> bdmurray, once wily is EOL we will have to backport fixes directly to the cloud archive, but for now we go to wily, then backport to trusty-liberty
[17:38] <sergiusens> arges hey, I know it's not your turn today, but any idea how long until snapcraft gets out of -proposed?
[17:38] <sergiusens> asking in case I am missing a step
[17:38] <arges> sergiusens: typically we try to avoid releasing on fridays unless its an emergency
[17:39] <sergiusens> arges ok, so we are all set for a Monday release? As in, do I need to do anything or will it all happen on its own?
[17:39] <arges> sergiusens: everything is verified LGTM
[17:40] <sergiusens> thanks
[17:41] <arges> sergiusens: also i won't be in on monday, but you can check the sru team member in the wiki for their day
[17:41] <sergiusens> arges sounds good.
[17:55] <infinity> I'll be around.  It'll escape on Monday.
[17:56] <infinity> (Though, given the tiny current userbase of snapd, if there is an urgent need for promotion, I'd consider it)
[23:01] <michi> ginggs: Just saw your ping. I’m about to leave, but can look at it later today. (It’s Sat here.) Do you have a build log link?