[00:00] <bootljhfdsds> left the radio on for 2 hours while i feel aslep ::: Boy was that a mistake !
[00:02] <dub_> Azelphur: reboot time
[00:02] <Azelphur> dub_: good luck :D
[00:10] <Guest47405> Azelphur: no...
[00:10] <Guest47405> not working
[00:11] <Azelphur> Guest47405: why not?
[00:11] <Guest47405> i have tried to reboot, it now shows the grub rescue screen
[00:13] <Guest47405> hd0 hd0,msdos6 hd0,msdos5 hd0msdos3 hd0msdos2 hd1
[00:13] <Azelphur> hmm
[00:13] <Azelphur> Guest47405: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair do this on a livecd
[00:14] <Guest47405> grub rescue> blinking curser
[00:14] <Azelphur> :P
[00:14] <Guest47405> i cant load pages
[00:14] <Azelphur> Guest47405: you can use a livecd to follow those instructions though ^
[00:14] <Guest47405> i am on a text console irssi
[00:14] <Azelphur> you have a livecd, right?
[00:14] <Guest47405> hm guess so
[00:14] <Guest47405> no
[00:15] <Azelphur> how was you on live before then?
[00:15] <Azelphur> when I vnc'd you
[00:15] <Guest47405> well live usb but the graphics wont work so i switched to text
[00:15] <Azelphur> ah
[00:15] <Azelphur> your liveusb graphics just randomly stopped working?
[00:15] <Guest47405> different machine
[00:16] <Azelphur> I'm confused
[00:16] <Azelphur> the machine that won't boot, boot it from your liveUSB
[00:16] <Guest47405> i have two machines
[00:17] <Guest47405> both wont work i booted to the old netbook to talk to you after the one we partitioned wont boot so i could see abot what to do
[00:17] <Guest47405> i will boot it from a live cd now
[00:18] <Azelphur> ok
[00:20] <Guest47405> the good thing is if i lost all my data it's recoverable
[00:21] <Azelphur> you didn't loose all your data, I figured grub would probably go wonky
[00:21] <Azelphur> just boot from live, get boot-repair going like those instructions say
[00:21] <Azelphur> and you should be good to go
[00:27] <Guest47405> paste.ubuntu.com/1282242
[00:30] <Guest47405> grub seems ok
[00:34] <Guest47405> ubuntu loaded ok
[00:34] <Guest47405> Azelphur:
[00:34] <Azelphur> Guest47405: cool, all working? :D
[00:35] <Guest47405> booting windows now
[00:35] <Guest47405> just to see
[00:36] <Guest47405> nope
[00:36] <Guest47405> windows wont boot
[00:36] <Azelphur> stupid windows
[00:36] <Guest47405> 0xc0000225
[00:36] <Azelphur> lol BSoD
[00:36] <Azelphur> all you can do is follow the instructions on the BSoD and run chkdisk I guess
[00:36] <Azelphur> it's throwing up for no real reason
[00:38] <Guest47405> windows boot manager windows failed to start a recent hardware of software change may be the cause to fix the problem 1 insert.....
[00:38] <Guest47405> you get the picture
[00:39] <Guest47405> i just have the loader
[00:39] <Guest47405> nothing else for windows is showing
[00:39] <Guest47405> Azelphur:
[00:40] <Azelphur> Guest47405: not sure, you'd need to ask windows folks for that one unfortunately
[00:40] <Azelphur> I don't know why simply resizing a partition would break it
[00:40] <Guest47405> ok
[00:40] <Guest47405> i am greatful for  the help
[00:41] <Azelphur> yw, good luck
[00:41] <Guest47405> nn
[00:43] <Azelphur> nn
[01:14] <ali1234> you have to be careful of new windows machines
[01:14] <ali1234> if they have ssd accelerators
[01:15]  * soreau is careful to avoid microsoft products altogether
[01:15] <ali1234> modifying the hard drive in any way from linux will corrupt the entire filesystem as linux doesn't understand the ssd cache and windows doesn't flush it on rebooting
[01:15] <ali1234> also, reading it from linux will just give you corrupt files
[01:15] <ali1234> for the same reason
[01:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: if your looking to sell bitcoins since intersango is down, I'm your guy btw :)
[01:18] <ali1234> intersango is down? lolllll
[01:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: yep, and mtgox
[01:18] <Azelphur> uk banks are stonewalling
[01:19] <ali1234> intersango isn't down, they just aren't doing gbp withdrawl
[01:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: or deposits.
[01:19] <Azelphur> and neither is mtgox
[01:20] <Azelphur> which means down to us brits for all intense and purposes :)
[06:33] <Knightwise> mooornin sleepy heads
[07:02] <Knightwise> mornin theopensourcerer
[07:02]  * Knightwise fires up the coffeemaker and plays Barista
[07:02] <christel> morning :)
[07:03] <Knightwise> hey christel :) .. coffee ?
[07:03] <christel> i'd love some!
[07:04] <christel> i am completely shattered, the toddler appears to have suddenly developed croup and has kept me up ALL night
[07:05] <Knightwise> poor thing. I know how those lacking ZZZZ's can wear down on you
[07:05]  * Knightwise makes christel a Quinty venty espresso with a red bull topping.
[07:06] <christel> i think i love you!
[07:06] <Knightwise> Shows you have excellent taste in men ;)
[07:07] <christel> haha
[07:07]  * Knightwise adds a nice piece of sugary pastry and a snickers for "on the road"
[07:08]  * Knightwise wonders if christel could use a chloroform airosol dispenser for the babies room ....
[07:09] <christel> haha chloroform? :P
[07:10] <Knightwise> or valium
[07:10] <christel> sounds like a plan!!
[07:19] <Knightwise> I am personally also wondering how to get through today without nodding of :)
[07:24] <Knightwise> christel: how old is the toddler ?
[07:25] <christel> 2.5 :)
[07:37] <Knightwise> christel :  2.5 ... And is it a long term support release or just a point upgrade ?
[07:43] <master_> helllo evry1
[07:44] <master_> i need ubuntu free cd's
[07:56] <diplo> Morning all
[07:56] <christel> morning diplo :)
[07:56] <Knightwise> hey diplo
[07:56] <Knightwise> how are you today
[07:56] <diplo> not bad thanks Knightwise, you ?
[07:57] <diplo> mornign christel
[07:57] <diplo> morning*
[07:57] <diplo> Day off yesterday so long weekend \o/
[07:57] <Knightwise> lucky you ! :) I'll probably take some days of the week after next
[07:58] <diplo> No babysitters yesterday, so had to :(
[07:59] <diplo> But tidied the garage so it was worthwhile, apart from the rain sucked :(
[08:01] <dwatkins> do they even do free CDs any more?
[08:02] <dwatkins> ah, they left the channel; I guess they googled what they were looking for ;)
[08:04] <Knightwise> dwatkins: i don't think so
[08:04] <dwatkins> Knightwise: indeed, first google hit for the question was to the page saying that ShipIt has run its course.
[08:06] <AlanBell> dwatkins Knightwise yes
[08:06] <dwatkins> Makes sense, USB sticks are cheap.
[08:06] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[08:06] <dwatkins> Also, I think the installer ISO is now larger than a CD.
[08:06] <AlanBell> we get an allocation of 250 or so that I have to give out
[08:07] <AlanBell> yes, they are DVDs
[08:07] <dwatkins> oh cool
[08:07] <Knightwise> AlanBell: what hoops do you have to jump through to get one ? $
[08:07] <AlanBell> but your optical drive doesn't care
[08:07] <dwatkins> for special customers
[08:07] <AlanBell> Knightwise: you can jump through hoops if you like, or just send an SAE
[08:08] <AlanBell> you can pre-order 12.10 right now
[08:08] <Knightwise> SAE ?
[08:08] <AlanBell> kids today /o\
[08:08] <AlanBell> bring back blue peter
[08:08] <dwatkins> AlanBell++
[08:08] <AlanBell> self addressed envelope
[08:08]  * dwatkins hands AlanBell a Blue Peter badge
[08:08]  * Knightwise is not a UK resident
[08:08] <AlanBell> ah :)
[08:09] <dwatkins> I may have to get a t-shirt with one of those on it.
[08:09]  * Knightwise remembers blue peter from home built thunderbird tracey island
[08:09] <Knightwise> and dogs that pee in the studio
[08:09] <AlanBell> it used to be a well known thing to get freebies, send in an SAE for your free badge/sticker/whatever from cereal boxes or TV shows
[08:10] <AlanBell> Knightwise: and an elephant
[08:10] <Knightwise> ah yes !
[08:11] <Knightwise> i do think i remember seeing that in a best off show
[08:11] <Knightwise> but when we got BBC on cable it was around the time of the saturday morning superstore
[08:11] <Knightwise> with scofield and gordon the gopher
[08:11] <Knightwise> so thats how far back my "actual" bbc history goes
[08:14] <dwatkins> oh dear, I'd forgotten about that gopher.
[08:14] <dwatkins> a friend of mine spent an entire summer following the radio 1 roadshow around the country as she fancied Phillip Schofield.
[08:15] <popey> my sister bunked off school in 1979 to go to the R1 Roadshow because she fancied Peter Powell
[08:15] <theopensourcerer> Sorry Knightwise, morning to you too - I was in the middle of upgrading a customer's vtiger CRM
[08:15] <dwatkins> popey: how naughty of her
[08:16] <Knightwise> dwatkins: she must have been real disappointed when she found out the truth
[08:16] <Knightwise> theopensourcerer: : no worriez dude :)
[08:16]  * theopensourcerer fondly remembers Sally James from Tiswas
[08:16] <theopensourcerer> And Servilan from Blakes 7
[08:16]  * Knightwise dreamt of Sarah Alexander from Coupling (and noels house party)
[08:17] <theopensourcerer> Ah yes. Indeed Knightwise
[08:17] <dwatkins> Knightwise: the truth?
[08:17] <theopensourcerer> I didn't know she was in Noel's houseparty.
[08:18]  * dwatkins grew up watching Sandy Togsvig talk very quickly on Number 73
[08:18] <Knightwise> dwatkins: wasnt philip more interested in the same sex ?
[08:18] <theopensourcerer> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NQUu1-IqJZk/TEA0ue_1syI/AAAAAAAAAkc/vKfmioDuQm8/s1600/james.jpg
[08:18] <dwatkins> Knightwise: I don't think so from his wikipedia page, but he is married
[08:18] <Knightwise> ah ! my mestake
[08:19] <Knightwise> theopensourcerer: that is just plain wrong :)
[08:21] <Knightwise> or it shows your age
[08:21] <theopensourcerer> :-D
[08:21] <dwatkins> here's an image to redress the balance: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/GoodLife3BBC_468x426.jpg
[08:21] <theopensourcerer> Yep - I'll be 50 in a 3 years
[08:22] <selinuxium> Morning all  o/
[08:24] <Knightwise> theopensourcerer: me will be 38 in a month
[08:24] <bigcalm> Boo
[08:24] <theopensourcerer> A mere baby
[08:24] <selinuxium> How many peeps are gonig to the release party then? :)
[08:24] <theopensourcerer> Me :-D
[08:25] <Knightwise> wish i could , can"t find one in the benelux area
[08:25] <selinuxium> Will we have a full compliment of Alans?
[08:25] <AlanBell> selinuxium: I have 34 names
[08:25] <AlanBell> there are some +1s as well
[08:25] <selinuxium> Should be a good do!  :)
[08:25] <AlanBell> I don't see Alan Cocks on the list
[08:26] <selinuxium> 3/4 Alans...
[08:26] <selinuxium> :)
[08:26] <dwatkins> time for breakfast, toodleoo
[08:26] <theopensourcerer> We need moar Alans
[08:26] <selinuxium> Quite looking forward to it.
[08:26] <selinuxium> Think of changing my name via Deed Poll
[08:26] <selinuxium> ;)
[08:27] <selinuxium> theopensourcerer, Servilan...  That takes me back... :)
[08:28] <theopensourcerer> Indeed. She was interviewd on a TV show recently and was saying how "flattered" she was about what teenage boys got up to when she was on TV. ;-)
 Don't know what you mean... :)
[08:31] <selinuxium> theopensourcerer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48gH_v8ulLA   :D
[08:32] <theopensourcerer> very good selinuxium
[08:33] <andylockran> morning all
[08:37] <diplo> You're all making me feel younger, thank you!
[08:39] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:49] <Knightwise> Servilan ! :) She was hot
[08:50] <mungojerry> how can i export a bireoffice doc to pdf and include the comments in the pdf too?
[08:50] <mungojerry> bire/libre
[08:50] <Knightwise> Although Glinnis Barber was also quite sexy
[08:51] <AlanBell> mungojerry: comments like annotations?
[08:51] <mungojerry> yeah
[08:51] <AlanBell> hmm, dunno
[08:51] <mungojerry> AlanBell, ah, found a export comments ooption...trying now
[08:52] <AlanBell> ok, I would try uploading to google docs and either share read only from there or see if there is an export route that way
[08:52] <AlanBell> and there is a nasty bug printing SVG from libreoffice at the moment
[08:53] <AlanBell> looks good on screen, rasterises it low res to print, you need to use EPS or do some other tricks to get it to work
[08:55] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/nametags.pdf <- EPS logo to avoid fuzzy logo on name badges for the release party
[08:55] <mungojerry> nah the comments export fails
[08:59] <selinuxium> diplo, Glad to be of service.  :)
[09:10] <mungojerry> AlanBell, thanks for google doc suggestion, managed to import and export into the docx format better than LO
[09:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:47] <selinuxium> Just realised... Alan Pop, Alan Lord and Alan Bell... 4 characters forename and surname...    three 4 by 4's
[09:47] <Knightwise> its strange
[09:47] <Knightwise> I still think they are one and the same person
[09:47] <AlanBell> you must comply to the naming convention, resistance is futile
[09:47] <Knightwise> good Morn brobostigon !
[09:47] <popey> pop?
[09:48] <Knightwise> Alan Pop ...
[09:48] <selinuxium> Pope... Apoligies..
[09:48] <d0od> Alan Sned, reporting for duty
[09:48] <popey> :)
[09:48] <Knightwise> sounds like a rockstar from the 80's
[09:48] <AlanBell> the King of Pop
[09:48] <brobostigon> morning Knightwise
[09:48]  * popey hugs d0od
[09:48] <Knightwise> Open source Garry Glitter
[09:48] <popey> uhhhm
[09:48] <selinuxium> Apologies... (sems like I am hittin ghte keyboard with a pound of sausages)
[09:48] <AlanBell> role model fail
[09:48] <directhex> i wonder if i could feasibly fit a kitty the size of a small pony in my house.
[09:48] <AlanBell> morning d0od
[09:49] <d0od> morning AlanBell :D
[09:49] <Knightwise> popey: did you like the end result of the interview ?
[09:49] <AlanBell> directhex: you might have better luck with a pony the size of a small kitty
[09:49] <popey> not had chance to listen yet
[09:50] <selinuxium> directhex, Is Tha a Maine Coon cat? (I wan't one of those)
[09:50] <directhex> selinuxium, siberian
[09:50] <directhex> about the same length as a maine coon, a bit shorter though
[09:51] <selinuxium> directhex, nice  :)
[09:53] <Knightwise> popey: I think "The distro that is friendly for Youzeewoozees" should be the promo line on the next LTS release.
[09:54] <directhex> AlanBell, unlikely, i have a violent horse allergy
[09:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: ping
[09:55] <mungojerry> i'm allergic to violent horses too
[09:57] <Knightwise> I horseride violent alergies
[09:57]  * d0od tries reading 'Youzewwoozees' aloud to make sense of it
[09:57] <mrevell> bigcalm, davmor2: When are you two planning the next co-working day?
[09:57] <bigcalm> mrevell: that's what I'm pinging davmor2 about
[09:57] <mrevell> aha!
[09:57] <Knightwise> d0od: Use - E - Wooz - EE's
[09:57] <bigcalm> mrevell: but considering that it's release day...
[09:57] <mrevell> bigcalm, It's *a* release day.
[09:57] <mrevell> :)
[09:58] <bigcalm> Oh
[09:58] <bigcalm> !1210
[09:58] <bigcalm> !12.10
[09:58] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[09:59] <mrevell> bigcalm, All I meant is that none of the three of us work on Ubuntu, so maybe it doesn't affect us.
[09:59] <bigcalm> mrevell: davmor does
[10:00] <mrevell> bigcalm, Ah, righto.
[10:00] <bigcalm> mrevell: I thought you knew what davmor2 did
[10:01] <mrevell> bigcalm, Well, I did but I guess that's changed.
[10:02] <bigcalm> mrevell: maybe I'm wrong. But he did say that he's rather unlikely to attend the LUG on the night before a release
[10:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: wake up and give us information :D
[10:03] <gord> release isn't normally that busy, i mean its not like your even allowed to make changes. just busy for people testing isos and involved in actually releasing
[10:04] <bigcalm> gord: so you're going to the work place day?
[10:06] <gord> nope, 13.04 is keeping me home
[10:07] <gord> next two weeks are uds fun times as well
[10:07] <czajkowski> gord: dont forget the tea bags
[10:08] <gord> czajkowski, aren't you coming?
[10:08] <czajkowski> yes
[10:09] <gord> but you bring my tea bags!
[10:09] <czajkowski> gord: go get your own!
[10:09] <czajkowski> plus I'm there from sunday to friday
[10:09] <gord> i don't understand that statement
[10:09] <czajkowski> you;ll have to manage a whole week on your own
[10:11]  * Laney wants to go to the lego shop
[10:12]  * DJones debates whether to upgrade to 12.10
[10:12] <AlanBell> do it!
[10:14] <DJones> AlanBell: Wag that "do it" to the lego shop or the upgrade :)
[10:14] <directhex> rams! :D
[10:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: cheeky git I've been awake for ages :P
[10:15] <DJones> s/wag/was/
[10:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're not awake if you're not talking on IRC :P
[10:15] <AlanBell> DJones: both
[10:15] <DJones> Heh
[10:15] <davmor2> mrevell: why you planning on coming on Thursday
[10:15] <davmor2> morning all
[10:16] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2 (lazy)
[10:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: well I was hoping to be going down to London but the fact that wifey isn't on top form means that might be going down the swany plus testing that everything is working correctly is taking a while. So with that I will likely be in Wolves
[10:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: let me flit over to moreati and see what he is all about
[10:18] <bigcalm> davmor2: bummer man
[10:20] <davmor2> gord: you gonna join us for a mini release party on thursday
[10:21] <bigcalm> davmor2: so a release party at the Moon Under Water again?
[10:21] <gord> [11:06] <gord> nope, 13.04 is keeping me home
[10:24] <Knightwise> hmmm :-
[10:24] <Knightwise> new firmware for my google nexus :-)
[10:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: My Xoom is on a new version of Jelly bean :P
[10:31] <gord> wish my phone would get the jelly baby upgrade already
[10:32] <davmor2> gord: samsung s3 by any chance?
[10:32] <Knightwise> Dr Who's phone runs Jelly Baby
[10:32] <gord> yup
[10:32] <Knightwise> all the rest runs Jelly Bean :)
[10:34] <gord> all i'm really interested in is if a bug has been fixed really. for some reason if i let my phone use wifi it drains the battery, but if i use 3g its fine. which is the opposite experience of my previous phone
[10:40] <davmor2> gord: mine doesn't install 3g watchdog and see if it is still connected to 3g as well as the wifi
[10:40] <gord> davmor2, it started happening before i'd even put the sim card in there, so i don't think its that
[10:41] <popey> I want a simple app in Ubuntu called "presentation mode" which switches off everything except maybe ssh and http from a browser of my choice
[10:41] <popey> so i can guarantee I get no popups on my machine from email etc when on a projector
[10:41] <popey> but which allows me to ssh to boxes or use the browser to demo stuff
[10:41] <d0od> popey: mmm
[10:43] <davmor2> popey: so you need a script that does killall *
[10:43] <gord> killall notify-osd?
[10:43] <popey> no, because i dont want the notifications to be lost
[10:43] <popey> i want the apps to stop talking
[10:44] <popey> also useful for 3g connections
[10:44] <popey> call it NSTFU (Network, Shut... "
[10:45] <popey> be nice if it was configurable, so i could enable chrome, but disable firefox.. for my demo
[10:45] <popey> per-app firewalling basically
[10:45] <czajkowski> hands up who uses thunderbird?
[10:45] <gord> i tend to just use a guest session
[10:45] <czajkowski> does your envelope thingymegiggy change colour when you get a new email these days ?
[10:46] <gord> per app firewall stuff would be nice though
[10:46] <diplo> czajkowski: Yup does ( running 12.10 )
[10:46] <diplo> not updated since Friday though
[10:46] <czajkowski> bah
[10:47] <czajkowski> mine doesnt
[10:47] <davmor2> gord: guest session isn't always viable for example if you are running a juju demo you need a user that can access lxc for example
[10:48] <kjalil> czajkowski: mine just randomly stops working from time to time
[10:48] <popey> yeah, i use guest, but then you dont have data, and guest can't run certain apps
[10:49] <popey> e.g. Chrome wont run as a guest session
[10:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: moreati can't make Thursday so unless mrevell is joining us
[10:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: is thunderbird listed in the indicator?
[11:00] <czajkowski> yes
[11:00] <kjalil> davmor2: mine is, as "Mail". I'm guessing that means "default mail client"
[11:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: then you broked it, you really should be allowed near computers ;)
[11:02] <czajkowski> :/
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: is this an upgrade or a fresh install?
[11:02] <bigcalm> mrevell: ping
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: the fact he is so quite makes me think he might be in a meeting
[11:03] <selinuxium> theopensourcerer, I have had Pink Floyd stuck in my head now all morning...
[11:03] <bigcalm> Ah well
[11:03] <davmor2> kjalil: mine says Thunderbir Mail
[11:03] <davmor2> selinuxium: you make that sound like it is a bad thing
[11:04] <theopensourcerer> You might find doing some work would help selinuxium ;-)
[11:04] <czajkowski> theopensourcerer: irony coming from you :p
[11:05] <theopensourcerer> Ah cz<tab> - you have been very quiet dear.
[11:05] <czajkowski> see I do work
[11:05] <czajkowski> :)
[11:05] <czajkowski> and break things
[11:05] <dwatkins> I keep meaning to put some music on, but every time I think about it I get distracted by work.
[11:07] <selinuxium> theopensourcerer, I am 'working' :) Why do you think I have been hiding away form IRC for all this time... :)
[11:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: you might want to leave breaking things to the professionals though sweetie :P
[11:07] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi back in your box dearest!
[11:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod by the way
[11:08]  * selinuxium chuckles
[11:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: infact PROD!!!!!!!!!!!! your further away so the prod needs to be bigger
[11:09] <mattt> ugh
[11:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: go and break things
[11:10] <czajkowski> :)
[11:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: I am, I broke you will just :P
[11:13] <kjalil> davmor2: ok, not sure why mine says just 'Mail' then
[11:14] <davmor2> kjalil: are you on precise or quantal
[11:15] <davmor2> kjalil: due to the fact that you can webapps like gmail added to the indicator all the client are named to save confusion in quantal, in precise it is listed as mail
[11:37] <kjalil> davmor2: oh I'm on precise, that must be why then
[11:51] <diplo> Anyone ever had this? copied passwd/groups/shadow etc over on a linux box as we always do on a migration but now when we run  a useradd it kernel panics
[11:52] <kjalil> diplo: wow, a kernel panic? no
[11:53] <popey> strace it
[11:53] <popey> oh, hang on :)
[11:53] <diplo> :D
[11:53] <kjalil> diplo: migrate from what to what? what did you copy
[11:53] <popey> is it common to manually copy those files over?
[11:53] <diplo> the files above from one machine to another
[11:53] <popey> what about user homes, spool files etc?
[11:53] <kjalil> diplo: same version of OS?
[11:53] <diplo> Well it's the way our support guys have done it
[11:53] <diplo> newer
[11:54] <popey> sounds hairy
[11:54] <diplo> user homes only have a .profile in them, not sure how he does that
[11:54] <kjalil> yeah they might have copied some libs or something they shouldn't have?
[11:54] <diplo> But works 99% of the time, is there a good way of migrating tens to hundreds of users that anyone knows of..
[11:54] <diplo> this has just worked for us
[11:55] <diplo> Nope, all users are already in passwd can login and work fine
[11:55] <diplo> It's just we can't use useradd without it panicking
[11:55] <kjalil> put the users in LDAP and home dirs in shared storage?
[11:57] <diplo> yeah that's a like, not an option for now
[11:58] <diplo> The guys in headoffice, know what they know and not much else, so I fill in the rest, before I googled anymore I thought I'd see what anyone else has done or experienced
[11:58] <kjalil> diplo: how did they migrate the /etc stuff across and how did the migrate the home dirs? rsync? what options if so?
[11:58] <kjalil> i'm thinking of permissions or ownership problems
[11:59] <kjalil> or even selinux issues, if you use that
[12:00] <diplo> nah, selinux disabled, will check permissions it's already on my list
[12:00] <diplo> But yeah rsync I think, they use the same process everytime and no issue
[12:00] <diplo> So it's a one off
[12:02] <diplo> Hmm, shadown permissions are different, maybe that
[12:03] <kjalil> diplo: you should really use --numeric-id when moving users across to make sure they have the same uid, if the target OS will be OK with that though
[12:05] <diplo> I'll play with it and see if I can reproduce in a vm I guess
[12:06] <kjalil> cool
[12:07] <diplo> thanks for thoughts though, I'll try now permissions first
[12:07] <davmor2> diplo: have you thought about maybe just using clonezilla
[12:09]  * davmor2 does fresh installs of quantal i386 and adm64 see what he can break muhahahahahahahahahaahahahaha
[12:12]  * popey wishes 12.10 worked in virtualbox :(
[12:12] <davmor2> Obi-wan are you okay, I felt a disturbance in the force, as if a million developers cried out in pain and then were no more
[12:13]  * jacobw thinks it's crazy ubuntu desktop no longers works in virtualization
[12:13] <diplo> diplo: It was a newer version of OS as far as I am aware, this again normally just works
[12:18] <popey> 13.04 should be named Rolling Rabbit.
[12:19] <davmor2> popey: Roland Rat
[12:19] <popey> Eeeeee Kevin!
[12:20] <dwatkins> ...and we're back to children's TV :D
[12:20] <davmor2> dwatkins: well the rest of tv is crap
[12:21] <dwatkins> davmor2: sadly I have to agree with you now that Doctor Who is on haitus
[12:22] <davmor2> dwatkins: but that started as the bbc saturday family sci-fi show
[12:22] <dwatkins> true, a friend of mine refuses to watch Doctor Who because he thinks it's "kids' TV" and therefore not worth watching. He doesn't know what he's missing.
[12:23] <bittin^work> why is all so hyped up by Dr Who, i never meeting it :p
[12:24] <bittin^work> watch it*
[12:24] <directhex> memtest86+ on 12G RAM is likely to take a long time.
[12:24] <bittin^work> where the fuck did i got that meeting from
[12:24] <dwatkins> I find it has a lot of depth, there are things that adults appreciate just as well as children.
[12:24] <bittin^work> like Spongebob
[12:24] <dwatkins> please mind your language, bittin^work
[12:25] <bittin^work> and Dexter, Power Puff Girls
[12:25] <davmor2> directhex: take out 11Gb see if it runs faster
[12:25] <dwatkins> I imagine Spongebob also has plenty of depth and cunning storylines, yes.
[12:26] <directhex> davmor2, i'd need to saw one stick in half for that
[12:29] <davmor2> directhex: you see it's already setting you a whole new challenge :P
[12:44] <AlanBell> yikes, there is a snake in the car park!
[12:45] <popey> Microsoft salesman came to call?
[12:46] <davmor2> popey, AlanBell: Oracle surely :)
[12:51] <AlanBell> I caught it!
[12:55] <dwatkins> AlanBell saves the day.... so long as it's not a cobra-effect problem...
[12:55] <dwatkins> [see wikipedia's entry for an explanation]
[12:56] <AlanBell> it was a slow worm
[13:00] <ali1234> doctor who is kids TV. there is no escaping it.
[13:00] <dwatkins> ali1234: yes, but that doesn't mean it has to be boring for adults ;)
[13:00] <ali1234> it doesn't have to be. it often is though
[13:01] <ali1234> the writing is hit and miss
[13:01] <gord> torchwood was "dr who for adults" and i can't say the writing was better
[13:02] <ali1234> no, torchwood was doctor who for teenagers
[13:02] <ali1234> and the writing was significantly worse
[13:02] <Knightwise> depends on who wrote the episodes
[13:02] <Knightwise> T davis is very good but also a little "light"
[13:02] <ali1234> sherlock and dirk gently - those were doctor who for adults
[13:02] <Knightwise> where moffet is dark ..
[13:03] <Knightwise> Sherlock was awesome
[13:03] <Knightwise> at least amy and rory are history (Yay)
[13:04] <ali1234> last few episodes were really dumb
[13:05] <ali1234> episode 1, amy is shooting dinosaurs in space like a badass. episode 2, she can't operate a pistol
[13:05] <ali1234> episodes 2 + 3 actually
[13:06] <gord> to be fair that sounds like episodes got re-rodered
[13:06] <Knightwise> inconsistancies
[13:06] <Knightwise> i liked the last ep
[13:06] <Knightwise> ANY episode with the angels is ok
[13:07] <ali1234> angels = worst villain ever
[13:07] <ali1234> but i dislike the straight villain episodes
[13:11] <Leckey> Miss Marple
[13:11] <Leckey> > *
[13:11] <DJones> They should bring back the evil master, rather than the insane master
[13:11] <dwatkins> I liked the first angels episode, the rest were a bit meh.
[13:12] <dwatkins> The master was great, and made goatees scary.
[13:12] <Knightwise> indeed , the first ep with tennant and the angels was awesome
[13:12] <Leckey> also Poirot
[13:12] <ali1234> john simm ruined that role and turned him into space-tony blair
[13:12] <Knightwise> 4 plaster statues, a VCR and a Camera .. Chilling episode
[13:12] <dwatkins> Knightwise: I thougth he was barely in it... oh yeah, the videos :)
[13:12] <Knightwise> ali1234: thats true . tony blair from space
[13:13] <ali1234> also the whole eye-laser-skeleton thing was incredibly stupid
[13:13] <Knightwise> dwatkins: I thought the ep was great .. realy centered around effect before couse
[13:13] <ali1234> who knew timelords could do that, honestly?
[13:13] <popey> lol space-tony-blair..
[13:13] <Knightwise> also the episode "the girl in the fireplace" .. loved that one
[13:14] <ali1234> i'll tell you what was a good episode
[13:14]  * Knightwise feels like old gits talking about the war ..
[13:14] <Knightwise> shoot ali1234
[13:14] <Knightwise> tell us :)
[13:14] <ali1234> the one where the tardis becomes a person
[13:14] <Knightwise> realy ?
[13:14] <ali1234> and i'll tell you why it was good. good writing.
[13:14] <Knightwise> you liked that one ?
[13:14] <dwatkins> Knightwise: yeah, some of my favourite TV was made with practically no effects (e.g. Goodnight Sweetheart, the comedy time-travel show)
[13:15] <Knightwise> dwatkins: I agree !
[13:15] <ali1234> and no stupid "we have to save the world from a fate even worse than the last 100 times" plot
[13:15] <dwatkins> ali1234: awesome ep that :)
[13:15] <Knightwise> true. I liked the one where ekleson meets the dalek for the first time
[13:15] <Knightwise> class acting seeing the doctor "scared"
[13:18] <ali1234> another good one was the one with the clones
[13:19] <ali1234> except for the cop out ending where it all ties up nicely with exactly one copy of each person left
[13:19] <kirrus> ali1234: the tardis becomes a person, was written by Neil Gaiman
[13:19] <ali1234> kirrus: yes, and he won a hugo for it, so yeah...
[13:21] <Knightwise> hmm..
[13:21] <Knightwise> i think the belgian loco of ubuntu users is about 3 people or something
[13:21] <kirrus> have you ever seen neverwhere?
[13:21] <Knightwise> I cant find anything about a launchparty or anything
[13:22] <Knightwise> i mean seriously : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ReleaseParty?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Picture+1.png
[13:23] <Knightwise> 3 people
[13:33] <popey> ali1234, agreed on the ep where the tardis is a person. that's one of my faves
[13:33] <czajkowski> Knightwise: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1995/detail/
[13:33] <czajkowski> Knightwise: poke janc on irc he usually organisises something
[13:33] <czajkowski> that loco is very active.
[13:41] <davmor2> mrevell: prod you gonna be there Thursday?
[13:45] <Knightwise> czajkowski: contacting them now .. thanx !
[13:45] <czajkowski> np
[14:57] <SuperMatt> ok, anyone know why notify-send wouldn't work in a crontab?
[14:57] <jpds> SuperMatt: Because there is no DBus variables set in cron.
[14:58] <SuperMatt> I see
[14:58] <SuperMatt> could I do that? Could I set them or is that silly?
[14:59] <jpds> SuperMatt: You have to add something like this somewhere before notify-send:
[14:59] <jpds> export $(xargs -n 1 -0 echo </proc/$(pidof gnome-session)/environ | grep -Z DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=)
[14:59] <jpds> Cool, huh?
[15:00]  * SuperMatt waits for another minute for it to run again
[15:02] <SuperMatt> it's worked
[15:02] <SuperMatt> hooray
[15:02] <jpds> So my work is done.
[15:02] <SuperMatt> shame there isn't a sunset you can ride off in to
[15:03] <gord> maybe you can set a notification in cron for when the sunset is
[15:08] <SuperMatt> oooh, I've added a logo to my notify too
[15:10] <gord> my make command sends notify-send with --icon=face-cool if make works, --icon=face-crying if make failed
[15:10] <SuperMatt> hah, that's brilliant
[15:11] <mungojerry> i don't get notifications anymore :(
[15:11] <SuperMatt> oh noes :(
[15:11] <mungojerry> stupid gnome shell doesn't let me move them
[15:12] <mungojerry> and my dock goes there
[15:12] <mungojerry> do no gnome users have a dock?
[15:12] <SuperMatt> ah right
[15:12] <mungojerry> can't wait for elementary
[15:12] <AlanBell> mungojerry: it is the favourites bar on the left in the shell screen
[15:13] <mungojerry> i don't use the shell screen for obvious reasons, i don't think many people regard that as a dock
[15:14]  * AlanBell wonders what the obvious reason is
[15:14] <mungojerry> the dock should be visible on screen and not require a hot corner or super key
[15:14] <mungojerry> shouldn't have to have an overlay mode just to see the apps that are runing
[15:15] <SuperMatt> I don't know about that
[15:15] <SuperMatt> I think it's a personal preference thing
[15:15] <AlanBell> oh. I quite like the hot corner
[15:15] <SuperMatt> I prefer to see my launcher, but on a smaller screen I might hide it
[15:15] <mungojerry> gnome doesn't cater for personal prefernce very well (although better than unity)
[15:16] <AlanBell> I was very impressed with Gnome Shell when trying it last weekend
[15:17] <SuperMatt> I quite like gnome shell, but I think these days until looks better and suits my style better
[15:17] <jacobw> design doesn't cater for personal preference very well
[15:17] <AlanBell> I think it wins on notifications and launching applications you want to launch, and workspace handling
[15:17] <AlanBell> unity wins easily on Amazon shopping
[15:18] <jacobw> 'design community' is an odd phrase because design is usually a totalitarian process
[15:18] <AlanBell> jacobw: design includes art and architecture
[15:18] <mungojerry> gary mckinnon is staying in the uk
[15:18] <jacobw> architecture?
[15:19] <jacobw> as in, freedesktop.org projects?
[15:19] <AlanBell> no, as in stuff designed right
[15:19] <AlanBell> like riscos or beos or nextstep
[15:19] <AlanBell> cracking architecture, but not much art
[15:21] <mungojerry> AlanBell, gnome shell is OK when you are trying it, and so is unity
[15:21] <mungojerry> but when using them 10 hrs a day, you tend to come against insurmountable obstacles
[15:21] <mungojerry> unlike my old  gnome2 setup
[15:22] <AlanBell> slacker!
[15:35] <AlanBell> quick question, Sparkleshare or Owncloud?
[15:36] <mungojerry> owncloud
[15:37] <mungojerry> works nicely and the new version 3.5 allows additional external sources (dropbox etc)
[15:38] <mungojerry> very easy to setup too
[15:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: mrevell: do we have an agreement on Thursday yet?
[15:51] <mrevell> bigcalm, davmor2: Oh hey, I definitely can't do this Thursday.
[15:52] <bigcalm> mrevell: ta
[15:52] <davmor2> mrevell: anyone would think it was a big and busy day for Ubuntu or something ;)
[16:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: lets skip the work place day this Thursday
[16:10] <davmor2> indeed
[16:11] <bigcalm> But I still need to get out this week, so will have me a steak tomorrow ;)
[16:12] <SuperMatt> davmor2: clearly it's not a big and busy day on thursday, you're clearly slacking
[16:12] <SuperMatt> it's not like you're pumping out updates to your os, every day
[16:13] <SuperMatt> and it's not like you're continually working to release a new version of your desktop environment every 6 months
[16:13] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I don't I test and break it everyday
[16:13] <SuperMatt> just lazy
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> heh: https://plus.google.com/106084846822083498483/posts/XewwSTaZAN7
[17:14] <directhex> protip: serious sam 3 is 75% off on steam, and is one of the steam-for-linux launch day titles when that ships
[17:32] <daftykins> directhex: nice, ta for the heads up!
[17:32] <directhex> list of steam games on linux: http://marlamin.com/cdr/search.php?s=linux&searchby=os
[17:47] <simondbull1> Hey Guys
[17:47] <simondbull1> I have recently purchased an Intel Ivy Bridge (Intel Core 15-3210M, to be precise) laptop running 12.04. Am having issues, as X keeps on locking up. Could anyone point me to the whereabouts of the logs? Thanks :)
[17:48] <daftykins> there's an app for reading system logs
[17:49] <daftykins> you could pore over those
[17:50] <simondbull1> could i ask which file they would be in?
[17:51] <daftykins> mmm yeah i'm not really good enough to say
[17:52] <simondbull1> daftykins, thank you very much nonetheless - any advice helps :)
[17:54] <feisar> can anyone recommend a decent (respects privacy etc.) uk isp?
[17:58] <Azelphur> feisar: the problem with that seems to be the further down the "decent" line you go, the worse quality connection you get
[17:59] <feisar> oh really, I use Andrews & Arnold and they are great
[17:59] <feisar> decent in quality and privacy issues etc.
[18:00] <feisar> I'm just looking for something a little less expensive for my brother (the line's going to get a lot of peak time usage)
[18:00] <Azelphur> feisar: see that's what I meant
[18:01] <Azelphur> I pay £7.50/mo for unlimited all day every day
[18:01] <Azelphur> but it's with sky, so you can wave goodbye to privacy rights
[18:01] <Azelphur> good, cheap, fast, pick any 2 ;)
[18:01] <feisar> yeah, I wouldn't call Sky a decent connection
[18:02] <BigRedS> I keep meaning to switch to A&A but Be are really rather good so I keep just renewing...
[18:02] <Azelphur> feisar: I get a relatively stable 12mbit/sec down, and I have done over a terabyte of traffic in a single month
[18:02] <feisar> I'll have a look at Be
[18:02] <Azelphur> be are ok, afaik they have fair usage policies though
[18:02] <feisar> I've heard Zen is good too
[18:03] <BigRedS> Azelphur: allegedly; I've never managed to hit one but it is only me using the connection
[18:03] <feisar> Zen do 100GB any time for about £25
[18:04] <Azelphur> BigRedS: yea, I go through a fair amount of traffic so I have to watch for fair usage policies
[18:04] <Azelphur> I'd die in 100GB XD
[18:05] <feisar> I'd die without a proper connection to the internet (public IPs, choice of router and DNS etc.) you get what you pay ofr
[18:05] <feisar> *for
[18:05] <Azelphur> I seem to actually relatively reliably hit 230GB/mo now
[18:06] <Azelphur> past few months it's been almost exactly 230GB/mo, each time
[18:06] <Azelphur> feisar: I get a public IP, choice of router is a little annoying, but that's easy to workaround, I have a choice of DNS
[18:07] <Azelphur> step 1) plug sky router into wan port on my router, step 2) put my router in dmz on sky router, step 3) laugh manically
[18:08] <Azelphur> feisar: lemme know what you come up with though, I'd be interested to see what you do
[18:09] <feisar> Azelphur: sure
[18:09] <Azelphur> feisar: check for BT Infinity availability too, and if all else fails there is always a VPN.
[18:11] <BigRedS> static IPs are useful, but I'd not consider them a dealbreaker really - anything I want to host I'd rather have on a proper connection in a datacenter somewhere
[18:11] <feisar> BigRedS: Be look pretty good, you have good experience with them? They against stuff like Phorm etc.?
[18:13] <BigRedS> To be honest I've paid little attention for the past couple of years. They did block TPB earlier than I was expecting, and were generally pro-free-internet the first time I used them (which was before they were bought by O2)
[18:14] <BigRedS> I've really lost track since, but I seem to have access to almost the whole Internet at a reasonable speed, I've never hit a cap of any sort and haven't really had to speak to them aside from ordering the connection
[18:14] <BigRedS> My fondness for them is now more based on my laziness and hearing from other, more attentive, people who like them than anything else
[18:27] <feisar> BigRedS: cheers
[18:30] <dwatkins> feisar: I have a static IP with Be and unlimited internets, it gets my vote.
[18:31] <dwatkins> I don't think I even have a way to measure how many internets I use with Be, so I bought an old Linksys to install the Tomato firmware on for measuring this sort of thing, mainly out of curiosity.
[18:32] <dwatkins> [yes, I know bandwidth is measured in Megabits or Megabytes, I just find it amusing to refer to multiple internets as some unspecified bandwidth measurement]
[18:45] <feisar> dwatkins: hhe
[18:46] <feisar> dwatkins: cheers
[18:58] <raj153> ne1 der?
[18:58] <Azelphur> !english | raj153
[18:59] <raj153> ok
[18:59] <raj153> can somebody help me to create a multibootable external HDD?
[19:00] <Azelphur> do you mean an external HDD with multiple operating systems installed on it
[19:00] <Azelphur> or an external HDD with multiple installers (livecds) on it
[19:00] <raj153> no operating systems..
[19:00] <raj153> but iso
[19:01] <Azelphur> I tried to do it for a long time, they best I found was Multisystem, but it doesn't work very well.
[19:01] <Azelphur> It won't work with Windows or Debian, but it seems to work with most Ubuntu based distros
[19:01] <raj153> ok
[19:01] <raj153> thanx
[19:03] <ali1234> quality entertainment on itv1 if you hate football
[19:04] <Azelphur> xD
[19:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: get my pm?
[19:04] <ali1234> yeah
[19:14] <czajkowski> popey: you done a video yet on shopping via the lens?
[19:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: You can apparently rent from youtube if they have it
[19:19]  * MartijnVdS just bought a song through spotify.. and it worked
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> not through the lens though
[20:27] <bigcalm> Good evening
[20:38] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[20:39]  * czajkowski wallops BigRedS morning
[20:42] <BigRedS> Morning!
[20:42] <BigRedS> At least this is less bleedy than the stabbing
[20:43] <BigRedS> Ah, that reminds me, I'll be in the pub on thurs eve
[20:44] <AlanBell> \o/
[20:44] <AlanBell> I have printed your name badge
[20:46] <BigRedS> Oooooh
[20:46] <BigRedS> But then they'll find me!
[20:51] <czajkowski> BigRedS: I'll be in ireland you're safe
[20:53]  * BigRedS breathes a sigh of reliefe
[20:53] <BigRedS> or relief
[20:55] <czajkowski> oi
[20:56] <BigRedS> haha
[20:56] <BigRedS> You in ireland for a while? going to this UKUUG unconference?
[20:57] <BigRedS> Hmm... I need to find out if there's proper drinks afterwards adn, if not, instigate them....
[21:03] <czajkowski> BigRedS: back on the Friday
[21:04] <czajkowski> not sure I want to spend my only day back in the UK before I head to UDS at a conference
[21:04] <czajkowski> think the other half is going
[21:07] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, fair point
[21:10] <daftykins> did that Limerick one go well in the end?
[21:11] <czajkowski> daftykins: brilliant
[21:12] <daftykins> :)
[21:12] <daftykins> good to hear
[21:12] <daftykins> and to think Limerick's own Cranberries got back together and pushed out a new album this year \o/
[21:13] <daftykins> here, is 'bay' some kinda Irish alternative to 'baby' or something?
[21:14] <popey> pip pip
[21:18] <BigRedS> Is this ("11.10 and later") still the right way to get things run on login in 12.10? I don't have a 'Startup Applications...' option in that menu http://askubuntu.com/questions/48321/how-to-start-applications-at-startup-automatically
[21:18] <BigRedS> Also, G'morning popey!
[21:19]  * BigRedS remembers the dash, finds 'startup applications', shuts up
[21:19] <BigRedS> :)
[21:19] <popey> hah
[21:20]  * Laney wibbles
[21:21] <bigcalm> Cherry cherry
[21:21] <czajkowski> Laney: you're very quiet these days
[21:21] <czajkowski> whatcha doin'
[21:21] <Laney> same ol'
[21:21] <czajkowski> breaking releases :p
[21:22] <Laney> I BREAK-A NOTHING
[21:22] <Laney> bought SSD for lappy today :D
[21:23] <czajkowski> Laney: try and keep it that way till thursday :p
[21:23] <Laney> heh
[21:23] <Laney> aint nothing getting in any more
[21:23] <czajkowski> you say thay
[21:23] <czajkowski> I'm waiting on 2 bug fixes!
[21:24] <czajkowski> both are in progress
[21:37] <popey> czajkowski, which ones?
[21:39] <czajkowski> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-chromium-extension/+bug/1059457  still an issue though
[21:39] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-webapps-googleplus/+bug/1059456
[21:40] <czajkowski> already poked the developer over the first one
[21:40] <czajkowski> he cant reproduce
[21:41] <daftykins> poor guy
[21:41] <BigRedS> There's no need to mock!
[21:41] <BigRedS> haha
[21:41] <daftykins> ;)
[21:41] <daftykins> reminds me of a good xkcd that
[21:41] <popey> well whatever happens that won't be going in 12.10 until after the release
[21:41] <popey> doesn't look targetted for SRU-0
[21:41] <czajkowski> :/
[21:42] <popey> so unless ken is going to swoop it all in tomorrow, chances are it'll be in SRU-1 which may not be till after UDS
[22:10]  * BigRedS wonders why this is still an unsolved problem: http://avi.co/s/wallpaper-preview.png
[22:11] <daftykins> not seeing the pic properly inside the monitor image?
[22:11] <BigRedS> yeah
[22:12] <daftykins> 'tis a bit of scale fail that
[22:12] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't think I've ever seen anything get it right
[22:13] <czajkowski> popey: which ken
[22:13] <daftykins> assuming it's meant to do what i expect
[22:20] <popey> czajkowski, how many Kens are there!
[22:20] <popey> BigRedS, odd font
[22:20] <popey> is that icon sparkleshare?
[22:22] <czajkowski> popey: excellent point
[22:22] <czajkowski> it was willcooke I was dealing wiht before this
[22:23] <czajkowski> and then the developer trying to track down the one that is marked as fixed released :/
[22:25] <popey> will manages webapps
[22:26] <popey> czajkowski, are you saying bug 1059457 isnt fixed?
[22:30] <czajkowski> popey: yup I get unity webapps plugin crashes
[22:31] <popey> eh
[22:31] <popey> thats not the same
[22:32] <czajkowski> I get it when I click no never which never happened before till this 'fix' happened
[22:32] <popey> I'd file a new bug, because "plugin crash" does not equal "keeps offering to install" imo
[22:32] <popey> new bug/regression then
[22:32] <czajkowski> popey: can you go to a site and click no never what happens for you?
[22:32] <popey> example site?
[22:33] <popey> and which browser?
[22:33] <czajkowski> twitter.com
[22:33] <czajkowski> chrome
[22:33] <popey> er
[22:33] <czajkowski> chromium even
[22:33] <popey> we dont support chrome
[22:33] <popey> thanks
[22:34] <popey> I get a prompt "Would you like to install unity-webapps-twitter" for extra features"
[22:34] <popey> [never for this site] and [yes]
[22:34] <popey> which did you use?
[22:34] <czajkowski> never
[22:35]  * popey installs
[22:35]  * popey restarts chromium
[22:36] <popey> i already have said "yes" to it
[22:36] <popey> hard to say "no" now :)
[22:36]  * popey wonders what other sites might offer this that I could say "no" to
[22:36] <czajkowski> bbc news
[22:37] <czajkowski> popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1284062/
[22:38] <popey> ok. i now get "Would you like to install BBC News for extra features and quicker access" [Never for this site] [Yes]"
[22:38] <popey> which do you choose?
[22:38] <czajkowski> never
[22:38] <popey> the bar goes away
[22:40] <czajkowski> ok give it a moment
[22:40] <czajkowski> and it should crash
[22:40] <czajkowski> or else I've sods luck
[22:40] <popey> nothing yet
[22:40] <czajkowski> bugger
[22:40] <czajkowski> refresh the page?
[22:41] <popey> i navigated away
[22:41] <czajkowski> boggles
[22:42] <popey> ask in the morning, looks like webapps people are sleeping
[22:42] <daftykins> there's nothing like surprises
[22:43] <czajkowski> aye
[22:43] <czajkowski> cheers popey
[22:48] <BigRedS> Is there somewhere saying what the webapps are supposed to do? My envelope goes blue when there's things I'm not *that* interested in
[22:48] <BigRedS> new tweets not @me, for example. Difficult to separate expected behaviour from bugs without knowing the expected behaviour
[22:49] <andylockran> hey all
[22:49] <andylockran> any recommendations for a website to buy a last minute holiday?
[23:09] <BigRedS> you ask at ten to midnight? That *is* last-minute planning :)
[23:09] <BigRedS> sadly, none from me
[23:17] <daftykins> nn all


[07:02] <notinuse> leave
[09:23] <juliank> infinity: Yay. I assume auto syncs don't run yet? Want to fix bug 1681231 (sync package, and upload it as an SRU to yakkety)
[09:23] <Unit193> ...Is there a way to mark a package as expected to fail to build on an arch?
[09:23] <infinity> Unit193: Let it fail?
[09:24] <infinity> juliank: autosyncs probably won't be on for a day or two while people do some manual merges first.
[09:24] <Unit193> Right, but it keeps emailing me...
[09:24] <juliank> Great. I synced manually now, and will prepare an SRU for yakkety shortly.
[09:24] <juliank> Also I'm not sure how we can have a reproducible test case here
[09:25] <juliank> s/yakkety/zesty/
[09:25] <juliank> Or well, both even it seems
[09:26] <juliank> Although: If we only see the issue in zesty, probably no need to work around it in yakkety too
[09:27] <acheronUK> no artful template yet in /usr/share/python-apt/templates/Ubuntu.info
[09:27] <acheronUK> I know it's a bit early to nag about that :P
[09:27] <juliank> acheronUK: It's not been that long :D
[09:28] <acheronUK> but it did just break our CI builds
[09:28] <acheronUK> juliank: yep. I know. :)
[09:29] <juliank> Oh well, I'll SRU cracklib2 to both yakkety and zesty it seems, one of the linked bug reports complains about yakkety
[09:36] <juliank> If no one is working on the python-apt thing, I can do this quickly
[09:37] <acheronUK> juliank: if you have the time, that would be great
[09:46] <Unit193> Actually, if I'm looking at this correctly then the issue should be fixed with golang 1.8
[10:07] <juliank> Change is committed, upload is coming
[10:10] <juliank> acheronUK: Uploaded
[10:10] <acheronUK> juliank: thank you :)
[11:01] <juliank> Hmm, I guess I should just SRU (more parts of) cracklib 2.9.2-4 to xenial (2.9.2-1) too.  (-2 fixes a CVE, -3 fixes a buffer overflow)
[12:13] <jaydemir> do programs written in java make it onto the ubuntu repos? or is it usually just c and python?
[12:18] <juliank> lol
[12:33] <LocutusOfBorg> cpaelzer, will you take care of strongswan please? :) (I'm listed as last uploader, but I just did a no change rebuild)
[12:57] <acheronUK> juliank: test regression on python-apt against update-notifier on s390x
[12:58] <juliank> acheronUK: retried it
[12:58] <acheronUK> thx. hoping it is just random weirdness of s390x
[12:58] <juliank> It's definitely not a python-apt regression
[12:58] <juliank> Could not connect to localhost:52117 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[12:59] <juliank> Ah no, that happens everywhere
[12:59] <juliank> Anyway, no downloading changes anywhere
[13:00] <acheronUK> ooh. new retry button http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/update-notifier/artful/s390x
[13:00] <juliank> yeah, just saw that too
[13:03] <juliank> acheronUK: And it passed
[13:03] <acheronUK> juliank: yep. just saw :)
[14:22] <juliank> acheronUK: Oh well, now snapcraft failed, but no new regression, already happened in prev build too (for squashfs-tools)
[14:24] <acheronUK> juliank: can that get through then?
[14:26] <juliank> Some tests are still in progress AFAICT
[14:28] <acheronUK> juliank: I meant the snapcraft fails being badtested
[14:29] <acheronUK> as at the moment looks like they would hold it back, regression or not
[14:30] <juliank> It looks like snapcraft itself regresses on armhf
[14:30] <juliank> On amd64 the upload run worked, but the python-apt caused one failed.
[14:31] <juliank> on armhf the upload run failed, with different errors than on amd64
[14:31] <acheronUK> fun!
[14:39] <acheronUK> ok. if python-apt is going to be stuck in proposed for a bit, will have to start thinking about workarounds for our CI
[23:20] <Unit193> ginggs: I don't suppose you're around?


[13:56] <[Saint]> Hi there - what, if anything, is the valid update syntax to take 16.04 up to 16.10 from the commandline please?
[13:56] <[Saint]> 'do-release-upgrade -d' yields no fruit for yakkety.
[13:57] <[Saint]> is there something blindingly obvious that I am missing?
[14:04] <Pici> [Saint]: Nope.  16.10 isn't yet in the meta-release file, so do-release-upgrade won't prompt you.  You'll need to change your sources.list manually and run a dist/full-upgrade yourself.
[14:04] <[Saint]> Aha, right. Thank you. Truth told I just jumped the shark and did that anyway.
[14:04] <[Saint]> Good to know I was on the right track.
[14:05] <TJ-> Pici: it is actually, I just checked, well in meta-release-development
[14:05] <Pici> oh?
[14:05] <TJ-> not in the -lts version of course
[14:05] <Pici> [Saint]: what TJ- said then.
[14:05] <TJ-> so maybe the config needs altering from lts-only to allow all
[14:05] <[Saint]> Hm?
[14:05] <Pici> TJ-: wasn't there when I looked the other day, I guess I should have rechecked.
[14:05] <[Saint]> So I do...?
[14:06] <Pici> modify /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  to say normal not lts.
[14:06] <[Saint]> still good with batched editing sources.list by hand, or, is there a simpler method?
[14:06] <Pici> and then do-release-upgrade -d will wrok
[14:07] <[Saint]> ah - is there any functional benefit to doing that over just firing sed at sources.list?
[14:07] <[Saint]> I have around a dozen machines to do this on.
[14:08] <TJ-> the release-upgrade specifies a new UpgradeTool to fetch
[14:08] <Pici> At this time? probably not. But do-release-upgrade does have the ability to run special scripts that might not be possible within the deb framework.
[14:08] <Pici> It also does some stuff to PPAs
[14:08] <TJ-> see the file it actually reads on the server (scroll to the end) http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development
[14:09] <[Saint]> there we go - I got it by editing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and doing s/lts/normal/g
[14:10] <[Saint]> thank you Pici and TJ-
[14:31] <[Saint]> oooop - I forgot about the bajillion "foo is modified from the original foo - what do you want to do about it?" prompts.
[14:31] <[Saint]> I thought this would be able to be done with limited manual intervention.
[14:40] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[23:18] <dax> [Saint]: dare i ask why you have a dozen machines running crackbuild versions of Ubuntu


[04:08] <dx> sup #ubuntu-bugs! the trusty/utopic versions of the 'bitlbee' package are very broken https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitlbee/+bug/1315550
[04:08] <dx> both were copied directly from debian testing while the debian testing version was broken
[04:09] <dx> and a fixed version was only uploaded in time for the jessie freeze, but not in time for the utopic freeze
[04:10] <dx> i'd like to do a SRU but the process looks scary
[07:57] <dx> aghh this is confusing
[07:57] <dx> >Check that the bug is fixed in the current development release, and that its bug task is "Fix Released". It is, in general, not appropriate to release bug fixes for stable systems without first testing them in the current development branch
[07:58] <dx> the SRU page says that, so i changed the status of the ticket to fix released (didn't know i could do that)... and apparently that counts as closing the ticket?
[07:58] <dx> it's fixed in vivid, not in trusty or utopic
[09:49] <mozzarella> guys help
[09:57] <dkessel> !ask | mozzarella
[09:58] <mozzarella> I found a bug and I'd like to fix it, however I need help, where should I ask?
[10:01] <dkessel> mozzarella: you need help in fixing the bug, or in getting the fix into ubuntu?
[10:06] <mozzarella> dkessel: fixing teh bug
[10:14] <brainwash> please mark bug 1386410 as critical
[10:14] <dkessel> mozzarella: you could contact the program's author and ask them for help
[10:17] <rbasak> brainwash: that's a security bug, and the CVE tracker is already showing it as assigned
[10:17] <rbasak> Marking every security bug as Critical doesn't help the security team
[10:17] <rbasak> Better to let them triage it.
[10:18] <brainwash> but it does not hurt either, does it?
[10:18] <mozzarella> dkessel: I don't know which package the bug is from
[10:18] <rbasak> Yes, it does, IMHO. It hides the really Critical bugs (from the POV of the security team) from them.
[10:20] <dkessel> mozzarella: do you know which program is affected by your bug?
[10:21] <mozzarella> dkessel: no
[10:21] <mozzarella> it's part of the desktop, not a program
[10:21] <mozzarella> well…
[10:21] <mozzarella> it's hard to say
[10:21] <dkessel> mozzarella: this may help you to understand the process of fixing a bug in ubuntu: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[10:22] <brainwash> rbasak: but this one is really really critical ;)
[10:46] <cristian_c> hello
[10:46] <cristian_c> about this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1222763
[10:47] <cristian_c> What have I to do? What's the next step?
[11:11] <mozzarella> dkessel: I don't know if it's a bug inside the program or just a missing icon
[23:56] <somebody> Good night. I am getting an annoying crash while attempting to install 14.10 from a freshly made USB stick. According to Apport, the command on which it crashes is "noprompt cdrom-detect/try-usb=true persistent file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash -- maybe-ubiquity". I have reported it on Launchpad, but I am also looking for a way to cirumvent this bug and install the system. Any com
[23:56] <somebody> According to bug #1296410, this is specific to installs attempted from a USB dongle created with the help of a Startup USB Creator.
[23:56] <somebody> Can I bypass this problem by getting a live image of 14.10 onto a USB stick by a different program?
[23:58] <somebody> (This thing is marked as "Fix Released", yet my install aborts with a crash.)


[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <dpm> good morning
[07:25] <ajmitch> hi dpm
[07:25] <ajmitch> & dholbach :)
[07:25] <dholbach> :)
[07:25] <ajmitch> dpm: I suppose I should file a bug against qreator - close button didn't work when I was testing it :)
[07:30] <dpm> hi ajmitch, sure, and thanks for testing!
[07:30] <ajmitch> np, once I figured out the double-click, it looks quite nice :)
[07:31] <dpm> ajmitch, yeah, that's an annoyance of the default behaviour of Gtk.IconView. I don't like it, either. I've filed a bug and asked around, but there doesn't seem to be any way around it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qreator/+bug/1006635
[07:32] <ajmitch> yeah I saw that & the question on askubuntu
[07:33] <dpm> can't reproduce the closing button not working here, but I'm on a newer version from the stable PPA
[07:34] <ajmitch> by the close button, I mean the one of the help screen
[07:36] <dpm> ah, that one, I fixed that in the last version in the PPA, I just haven't released it as an ARB package
[07:37] <ajmitch> ok
[07:37] <dpm> ajmitch, https://bugs.launchpad.net/qreator/+bug/1001750
[07:38] <ajmitch> ah right, I missed that bug :)
[07:39] <dpm> ajmitch, quick question, what happens exactly after an app has been voted and gets the go-ahead? Is the PPA copied from staging to the ARB ppa and then finally uploaded to extras?
[07:40] <ajmitch> not copied, re-uploaded to the ARB PPA, and as far as I know, it's an automatic copy from there to extras.ubuntu.com
[07:40] <dpm> ah, I see
[07:40] <ajmitch> assuming it's not the same thing covered up with a different virtualhost
[07:40]  * dpm was wondering what the purpose of the ARB PPA was
[07:40] <dpm> now I get it
[07:42] <ajmitch> looks to be a different server, so I'll assume it's copied automatically
[07:43] <dpm> ah, gotcha
[07:43] <dpm> btw, I should have probably re-submitted qreator 12.05.6 (the staging PPA has 12.05.4), but I didn't want to disrupt the testing that had already been done. Furthermore, the idea of the app is to road-test the app developer process and blog about it, so I might as well test the 'submit an update' path after it's been published too :-)
[07:44] <ajmitch> ok :)
[07:44] <ajmitch> odd, extras.ubuntu.com reports the apache2 version that's in hardy
[07:44] <dpm> It's been fun so far, can't wait to get it in the SC, so thanks a lot for the review :)
[07:44] <ajmitch> I didn't think IS still had any hardy servers :)
[07:44]  * ajmitch is hoping for more people to respond on the mailing list
[07:45] <ajmitch> I'm pretty sure it's majority vote, so it goes in once there are 4 +1s from ARB members
[07:45] <dpm> yeah, I'm just happy that it's up for vote already :)
[07:45]  * ajmitch wouldn't mind changing that to 2 or 3
[07:45] <dpm> :)
[07:46] <ajmitch> more that we don't want to block too much on waiting for votes, it's generally been 2 MOTU +1s to get a new package through REVU in the past
[07:51]  * ajmitch also wishes that unity didn't need to be restarted for new lenses :)
[08:02] <dpm> and there goes another app up for voting \o/
[08:06] <ajmitch> dpm: yep, got 1 other to vote on also
[08:06] <dpm> awesome
[08:06] <ajmitch> trying to get faster on them :)
[13:28] <mhall119> wendar: ping
[13:29] <wendar> mhall119: hi
[13:30] <wendar> ajmitch: it's 3 +1 votes
[13:30] <wendar> ajmitch: so, doesn't matter how large or small the group grows
[13:31] <mhall119> wendar: hi, I heard you already started on an ARB backend for pkgme, I was hoping I could ask you some questions about it
[13:31] <wendar> ajmitch: that feels about right to me, since one of the votes is usually the person who did the fixup work, and a couple of extra sets of eyes on the work are nice
[13:31] <wendar> mhall119: sure
[13:31] <mhall119> wendar: I was told you were making kind of a wrapper around the other backends, is that right?
[13:31] <wendar> mhall119: it's just it's own backend
[13:32] <mhall119> is it calling scripts in other backends?
[13:32] <wendar> no
[13:32] <wendar> but, most of the code is in pkgme itself
[13:32] <wendar> and it's using all that code the same
[13:32] <wendar> the backends are quite simple
[13:32] <mhall119> oh, then how will it deal with differences between C apps and Python apps?
[13:33] <mhall119> or, those using different build systems
[13:33] <wendar> ARB apps are *very* simple, they just leave dh to sort out the difference
[13:33] <wendar> dh is very smart about choosing between running a makefile, versus setup.py, etc
[13:34] <mhall119> oh, so what does the ARB backend do then?
[13:34] <wendar> writes a simple debian/rules file for dh, and lets dh do the work
[13:35] <mhall119> does it just set the install prefix to /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/<appname>?
[13:35] <wendar> that's the main thing, yes
[13:35] <mhall119> or do anything with dependencies (build and runtime)/
[13:36] <wendar> we don't need special values in the control file anymore
[13:36] <wendar> it doesn't do anything with dependencies, because doing that requires executing arbitrary code, which we can't do on the MyApps backend
[13:37] <wendar> (that's why we can't use the regular Python backend)
[13:38] <mhall119> it could still be done by the app author to create ARB-ready packages though, for uploading to their PPA
[13:39] <mhall119> is you backend code somewhere I can look at it?  I'm going to write one for Unity Lenses, but trying to figure out how to deal with them being written in different langauges
[13:44] <wendar> I haven't pushed the branch up yet
[13:45] <wendar> I leave for work in about an hour, but I'll try to get it presentable tonight
[13:45] <wendar> mhall119: it would be nice if the lenses backend used the ARB backend
[13:46] <wendar> they're mostly the same
[13:46] <mhall119> wendar: I was told the ARB backend was calling other backends, so I was hoping to be able to chain them along
[13:46] <wendar> (unlike the other backends, which are quite different)
[13:48] <wendar> mhall119: all you really need for lenses is to check that a setup.py exists
[13:48] <wendar> (that's what the Python backend does)
[13:48] <mhall119> if it's a Python lens, yes
[13:49] <mhall119> but it can by C or Vala or some other language
[13:50] <wendar> the Vala backend searches for files with a .vala extension
[13:50] <wendar> The only place you have to worry about that in the pkgme templates is in the debian/rules file where you set the path to /opt
[13:51] <wendar> because each build system has a different way of setting /opt
[13:51] <wendar> you can also do some limited setting of depends in debian/control
[13:51] <wendar> (i.e. python apps depend on Python)
[13:52] <wendar> otherwise, the generated templates will be the same for every app
[13:53] <wendar> mhall119: the ARB templates can be really simple, they don't need to deal with all the odd edge cases of complex packages
[13:53] <wendar> (in fact, we want them to be simple, we tend to reject complex packages)
[13:56] <wendar> mhall119: the way pkgme works, you don't share code by chaining backends
[13:57] <wendar> mhall119: you share it by adding "helpers" which can be called from any backend
[13:57] <wendar> mhall119: so if we find reusable pieces from other backends, we can generalize them as helpers
[13:57] <mhall119> ah, ok
[13:58] <mhall119> I hadn't seen anythign about "helper" yet
[14:09] <wendar> they live in pkgme/helpers
[14:10] <wendar> some of the other backends have scripts with just one line
[14:10] <wendar> like backends/vala/package_name
[14:11] <wendar> the one line is 'pkgme_autoconf_package_name'
[14:11] <wendar> which is a helper script
[14:12] <wendar> FYI, the way the ARB backend works, is that the 'want' script checks for a file called 'extras.json'
[14:12] <wendar> if that file exists, then the ARB backend is chosen
[14:37] <mhall119> and where does extras.json come from?
[15:30] <mhall119> wendar: is the arb backend going to provide apparmor profiles?
[15:31] <wendar> mhall119: it won't, but the lens one can. They're really predictable for lenses/scopes
[15:31] <wendar> mhall119: in fact, that'd be a good idea for a helper
[15:31] <wendar> mhall119: I imagine many backends could benefit from apparmor profiles
[15:32] <wendar> mhall119: There might be some way we could insert a default one into every app
[15:32] <wendar> mhall119: if we assume that the Exec path in the .desktop file is the only code that needs to run
[15:32] <wendar> mhall119: but, it's still tricky to figure out what to allow on top of the default
[15:33] <wendar> mhall119: btw, are you assuming the layout we decided on for ARB-managed lenses/scopes? That might make your job easier
[15:33] <wendar> mhall119: (lens files in a lens/ directory, scope files in a scopes/scopename/ directory)
[15:37] <mhall119> wendar: yeah, but now I'm thinking I can use the setup.py or equivilent to tell where to install those
[15:37] <mhall119> I'm beginning to think a lens backend doesn't even make sense
[15:38] <wendar> mhall119: it's true that I often set the install path in setup.py for lenses
[15:38] <wendar> mhall119: we might be able to handle lenses inside the regular ARB backend
[15:38] <mhall119> that's what I'm thinking
[15:38] <wendar> mhall119: just check if there's a lens/ or scopes/ directory if we need any custom packaging
[15:40] <mhall119> you'd probably look for .lens and .scopes files, they may not be in directories
[16:03] <wendar> mhall119: sure, that'd work
[16:04] <wendar> mhall119: just remember the directories they were found in
[16:04] <wendar> (if they're needed for anything)
[16:05] <mhall119> they're not, they should be copied to /usr/share/unity/ by debhelper
[16:05] <mhall119> either by specifying in setup.py or somewhere else
[16:33] <wendar> mhall119: I generally prefer to do it all in setup.py
[16:34] <wendar> mhall119: specify a fixed path for the parts that can be installed outside /opt
[16:34] <wendar> mhall119: and a variable path for the rest, so they respect --prefix in debian/rules
[16:34] <wendar> mhall119: the best example is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~app-review-board/ubuntu-app-review-board/unity-scopes-music-extras-precise/view/head:/setup.py
[16:36] <wendar> mhall119: (fixed paths start with /, all other paths will be /usr by default, but added to /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/packagename when that's passed as the --prefix
[21:36] <ajmitch> morning
[21:38] <stgraber> "morning"
[21:49] <ajmitch> stgraber: so I see you're on the 12.04.1 team for awhile? :)
[21:50] <stgraber> yeah