[00:01] <t3ckn0b0y> when running apt-get to purge mythbuntu-desktop it has no depends shouldnt cause any problem updating
[02:55] <heyheyhey> anyone install mythtube plugin?
[03:42] <foxbuntu> heyheyhey, I have not, but I hear it works for the most part
[03:43] <superm1> isn't that the new plugin?
[03:43] <foxbuntu> superm1, yes.
[03:43] <superm1> whats it do?
[03:43] <foxbuntu> heyheyhey, I think its only supported in .22
[03:43] <foxbuntu> superm1, more the same, rss magic for YouTube
[03:44] <foxbuntu> but has the ability to plugin new feeds
[03:44] <superm1> rss feed to the h264 files?
[03:44] <foxbuntu> idk
[03:45] <superm1> slacker?
[03:46] <foxbuntu> superm1, I actually have been considering using it to create a patch to unify several plugins to one
[03:46] <foxbuntu> superm1, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5589
[03:47] <superm1> i hope it actually makes it in as an official plugin and doesnt just live off that bug for a long time
[03:48] <foxbuntu> indeed
[03:48] <foxbuntu> you could help me dive into it :)
[03:51] <foxbuntu> superm1, I think there is a pretty good push on it from talking to gbee and justinh
[03:59] <superm1> good
[03:59] <superm1> do you know what pre-empted that packaging branch ?
[04:00] <superm1> i wonder if it's so they can do binaries at release on their own buildd's or something
[04:00] <superm1> if so, that'd be pretty sweet
[04:10] <hads> superm1: Na I think it's just becuase IJR doesn't like packaging crap in the main tree so that was created as a comprimise.
[04:11] <superm1> well what's the point of it being there though?
[04:11] <superm1> just a centralized location i suppose for users to be able to grab from
[04:12] <hads> Was xris that created it I think, can't remember exactly what for. It was suggested that the win32 and mac build scripts are moved there etc.
[04:13] <hads> Looking through my log xris created to put his RPM spec file in.
[04:13] <superm1> well it would be nice for users to have a nice click-me-to-build-packages.sh that went with 0.22 then that branched the appropriate packaging branch and did all that stuff for people
[04:59] <Anusien> what network manager comes installed by default with Mythbuntu?
[05:26] <foxbuntu> Anusien, the normal one, there is only one
[05:34] <Anusien> foxbuntu: what's it called?
[05:34] <Anusien> And when I say "network manager" I mean "a graphical tool to configure the NIC"
[05:36] <foxbuntu> Anusien, yes...thats exactly what I mean
[05:36] <foxbuntu> Anusien, nm-applet
[05:36] <foxbuntu> is what you are referring to
[05:37] <foxbuntu> its the little Computer looking icon next to the clock
[05:38] <Anusien> Thanks!
[05:38] <foxbuntu> np
[05:38] <Anusien> I'm no longe rrunning the default desktop; I switched to kde and I couldn't very well tell my friend to run KNetworkManager
[05:54] <ltracy> !help
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[10:23] <zetheroo> I installed Mythbuntu on my Ubuntu system sorta without knowing what it was ... and I want to get rid of the entire thing ... how do I do that?
[10:24] <zetheroo> when I try to remove mythbuntu from Synaptic it does not take all the other files with it
[10:24] <laga> what other files?
[10:25] <zetheroo> well there was over 100MB of data that was downloaded and installed when I installed it ....
[10:25] <zetheroo> I want to completely remove it all
[10:26] <laga> it should be removed automatically if you remove mythbuntu-desktop..
[10:26] <zetheroo> when I mark mythbuntu-desktop for removal nothing else gets marked along with it
[10:27] <laga> odd.. wait for superm1, he probably knows more
[10:27] <laga> or someone else :)
[10:27] <zetheroo> oh ok
[10:28] <zetheroo> is there a list of files somewhere that I can go by and manually remove them one by one?
[10:28] <laga> zetheroo: yeah, look at the dependencies of mythbuntu-desktop
[10:29] <zetheroo> well hmmm
[10:29] <zetheroo> ha ... some of the things it depends on I would not want to remove
[10:29] <zetheroo> like its got alsa in there
[10:30] <zetheroo> its hard to know with some of these packages ... whether I can go without them or not
[10:31] <laga> it should have marked some of these packages as "installed automatically" so they can be removed if the last package which depends on them is removed
[10:32] <zetheroo> yeah
[10:32] <laga> apt-get autoremove might do what you want, but make sure to inspect the list of packages it's going to remove before you make yourself unhappy. be careful.
[10:34] <zetheroo> I don't need xfce packages right?
[10:35] <laga> if you don't use xfce..
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[13:13] <ej> hello. i have a few issues with a fresh 8.10 install that I hope someone in here can help me with
[13:13] <laga> !ask | ej
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[13:14] <ej> ok thanks. i dont use irc very often.
[13:16] <ej> i upgraded to 8.10 and mythweb broke (php I think is the problem) so I burned a fresh iso of 8.10
[13:18] <ej> ran through the install with no issues but mythweb still doesnt work on the fresh install and i couldnt get the change-channel-lirc.pl script to work with the mceusb that wrked fine in 8.04
[13:18] <ej> the cards work cuz I tested it with cat and mplayer
[13:19] <ej> livetv woudlnt work either but I think that is because of the channel change script problem
[13:22] <ej> im using the old mceusb to a pioneer stb - it worked immediately in 7.10 and when i upgraded to 8.04 and in 8.10. i have a pvvr-150 and a pvr350 installed and working
[13:23] <ej> i think its a php issue since apache is working and i put a phpinfo script at the root and it didnt work
[13:26] <ej> im hoping this is a common problem with an easy fix. otherwise i may just burn an 8.04 iso and try that
[13:27] <laga> well, try fixing php ;)
[13:28] <ej> lol. i did and thats why i needed a reinstall
[13:30] <ej> i tried removing and reinstalling to no avail. it was working fine until the upgrade - although i added phpmyadmin and that worked. maybe it was an apache conf issue. i added mythweb through the control center
[13:32] <laga> yeah, that's possible
[13:32] <laga> maybe /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythweb* got broken
[13:33] <ej> could be. i looked at it and it *looked* ok. i didnt overwrite and conf files during the upgrade
[13:34] <laga> you could purge mythweb and install it again
[13:35] <ej> did that. purge apache and php too and reinstalled. must be something I am missing in the setup that used to be automatic
[13:35] <ej> i appreciate teh help btw
[13:36] <ej> i could understand that maybe there was something odd from upgrading a few times and something broke in the apache/php/mythweb setup somewhere but i wouldnt expect to have the problem with a fresh install too
[13:41] <ej> i also tried a knoppmyth iso to see if that would work - its not as easy as mythbuntu to setup. its installing now. if it works then ill go back to 8.10 and try that again
[15:33] <zabbadapp> did the last ubuntu v4l update break the IR-receiver for T-500 for anyone?
[15:56] <MythbuntuGuest42> new to irc and linux in general, need a little help please...
[16:01] <laga> !ask  | MythbuntuGuest42
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[16:03] <culinarian> ok, I set up mythbuntu and mythtv and somwhere along the way I changed the theme as well as the resolution, not I am not able to view the entire menu screen. is there some way to do a default reset or something?
[16:04] <laga> culinarian: mythfrontend --reset
[16:04] <culinarian> <-- was guest 42
[16:04] <laga> ah
[16:06] <culinarian> the only things I see available from my mythbuntu desktop are control center -backend setup and run frontend...
[16:07] <laga> get a terminal and enter it there
[16:08] <culinarian> term--> mythfrontend <space>--reset?
[16:09] <laga> yes
[16:10] <culinarian> cool, looks like it worked... thanks for the help
[16:10] <gregL> laga: Have you ever seen this error when running mythweb? Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/classes/Program.php on line 295
[16:11] <laga> yes. but i don't know how i solved it :)
[16:12] <gregL> Ok, yeah i have googled it and tried just about every thing suggested..I may have to get kormoc to help me with that..thanks
[16:12] <ej> ok - i reinstalled 8.10 and figured out the mythweb problem - i changed the port but didnt change it everywhere it needed. doh!
[16:13] <ej> gregl - i think its the memory limit in php
[16:13] <laga> ej: read the error message again ;)
[16:14] <gregL> ej: yeah ,tried that..
[16:15] <ej> i guess what i was thinking o is when u search on mythweb and it hits the limit
[16:16] <gregL> Everything works except when clicking the listings tab...That's when i get the error
[16:20] <ej> im now working on the channel-change-lirc part. i copied the scripts from the contrib dir to /usr/local/bin.   and changed the remote name to mceusb  but it still doesnt work and livetv will not start
[16:47] <gregL> laga: I increased the memory from 16 to 32 M in the php.ini and it works now...Strange thing is i did it before and it didn't work...
[16:52] <ej> gregl great
[16:55] <ej> ok - should there be scipts in the /usr/local/bin/  ? i cannot get the channel change working. i have the old mceusb with the transmitter. in the infrared section i selected mce usb old version and for the transmitter i selected mceusb pioneer. in the change-channel-lirc.pl script i changed the name to mceusb but it doesnt work.
[16:56] <ej> would livetv not work because of this?
[16:58] <gregL> Yeah, If i don't have my script up and running so it will change the stb to the start channel it won't start live tv..
[16:58] <gregL> It's usually a permission problem..
[16:59] <ej> ok - ill check that. i chmod +x already
[16:59] <gregL> try it from the command line and see if it works..
[17:00] <ej> i was trying that but couldnt quite get it right. i can run the change-channel-lirc.pl from the command line but it doesnt do anything
[17:01] <ej> the script is owned by root and is executable
[17:02] <gregL> try running the backend mythbackend -v most and see what error you get..
[17:02] <ej> ok. ill see what i get. thx
[17:02] <gregL> oh: should be owned by the user you run mythtv with
[17:05] <moj0rising> Hi. can anyone here tell me how to change the keyring password in mythdora?
[17:05] <gregL> try mythdora forum
[17:18] <moj0rising> yeah. checked that and can't find it there or on google. weird
[17:24] <ej> i got a little farther. livetv works and usiing the .pl script it thinks its changing the channel but it isnt. the sh script just doesnt work and the backend exits
[17:26] <ej> for the chnnel change command in the setup i entered: sudo /usr/local/bin/change-channel-lirc.pl
[17:42] <t3ckn0b0y> is there a way to use the program guide icons with the program finder? where the black box just shows the channel name in text.
[18:54] <alien_> mce remote blaster fails several times a day...the receiver always works, but the blaster will die for no apparent reason and I can never find anything in the logs. Had the problem with 7.10, but found a workaround...fresh installed 8.10 and I cant get it to work. Anyone had this issue before?
[18:56] <toorima> was gonna upgrade my box and got this, The following packages have been kept back: xfdesktop4-data
[18:56] <toorima> so ran dist-upgrade and got this
[18:56] <toorima> The following packages will be REMOVED: mythbuntu-desktop xfdesktop4
[18:56] <toorima> The following packages will be upgraded: xfdesktop4-data
[18:56] <toorima> just want to check that its safe first
[18:56] <toorima> or should I just wait and run upgrade again later?
[19:22] <sat> Installing latest version - stuck in step 11: mythtv related password. Test connection is failed and i dont have option to skip this stage without testing success
[19:33] <tgm4883_laptop> sat, you need to enter your master backend details
[19:33] <sat> thanks for the repsonse. but need more help : this is my first installation and I'm hoping to set up my backend through this process.
[20:06] <tgm4883_laptop> sat, do you have a backend machine in your network?
[20:06] <sat> not at this point, this is my first set pu
[20:06] <sat> i'm trying again by going through advanced installation set up and delibrately choosing primary backend + front end option
[20:06] <tgm4883_laptop> are you planning on having multiple mythtv machines in your network?
[20:06] <foxbuntu> sat, then you are doing the wrong type of install
[20:07] <foxbuntu> sat, thats the correct install method
[20:07] <sat> gotcha fox!
[20:54] <squish102> how do i tell what architecture my mythbuntu is running?
[21:31] <Trepidation> did folks get around the issues on the pvr500 cards with the new tuners on them?
[21:32] <alien_> Am I visible? Just checking...I'm new to IRC
[21:33] <Trepidation> affirmative
[21:34] <alien_> thanks
[22:00] <tgm4883_laptop> Trepidation, issues?
[22:00] <tgm4883_laptop> squish102, uname -m
[22:02] <squish102> thanks tgm4883_laptop, i was confused. dunno y i installed i686 on an amd64 chip!
[22:06] <Trepidation> nah, getting back into it. I dabbled, but right after I bought my pvr500 I found out they changed hardware on the components
[22:07] <Trepidation> there were a lot of odd issues folks had, I think one of the other issues people mentioned that the single input to two tuners got weakened some how
[22:07] <Trepidation> caused inadequacies for the picture and whatnot, which it did look pretty terrible on my setup
[22:08] <Trepidation> I live in a hole, so not sure what has improved
[22:24] <massabuntu> Hi, i've a working and alredy setted mythtv system in my home.  Now i'm istalling another on my father home, ther's a way to copy the settings i made on my channel list (xmltv) and copy to my father's system saving a lot lot of time??
[22:24] <massabuntu> thanks
[23:33] <alien_> mce remote blaster fails several times a day...the receiver always works, but the blaster will die for no apparent reason and I can never find anything in the logs. Had the problem with 7.10, but found a workaround...fresh installed 8.10 and I cant get it to work. Anyone had this issue before?


[07:32] <danwee> hello people, i need help with juju, i m stuck at a corner and cant find a solution. can anyone help  ?
[07:32] <SpamapS> danwee: did you ask on askubuntu.com yet?
[07:33] <SpamapS> danwee: most of the regular juju users/contributors are generally in here between 9am and 5pm in the US (so 1400 UTC - 0800 UTC)
[07:34] <danwee> SpamapS, i didnt, i figured here is the officail support for juju,
[07:34] <danwee> SpamapS, can you help ?
[07:34] <SpamapS> danwee: definitely, but it seems you've asked at very off times for us, so we keep missing you . :-p
[07:35] <SpamapS> danwee: I have about 10 minutes then I need to go to bed... I'm all yours for the 10 minutes though. What seems to be the trouble?
[07:35] <danwee> SpamapS, thans alot , can u take alook at this and tell me what u think http://paste.ubuntu.com/857589/
[07:36] <SpamapS> danwee: first question, what version of juju?
[07:37] <SpamapS> danwee: second question, does your cobbler setup include full power control or are you turning systems on/off manually?
[07:37] <danwee> SpamapS: mmm... lastest i suppose, i dowloaed juju over orchestra server, i manually  turn on and off the systems
[07:38] <SpamapS> danwee: apt-cache policy juju will show you the version of juju
[07:38] <SpamapS> danwee: has the system you're trying to connect to completed its installation?
[07:38] <danwee> SpamapS: juju:   Installed: 0.5+bzr398-0ubuntu1   Candidate: 0.5+bzr398-0ubuntu1   Version table:  *** 0.5+bzr398-0ubuntu1 0         500 http://jo.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/universe amd64 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[07:39] <SpamapS> danwee: ok, that explains some of it.
[07:39] <SpamapS> danwee: I'd recommend you enable the juju PPA, and use the latest version from the PPA. The one in Ubuntu 11.10 has a lot of bugs and we haven't been able to update it yet.
[07:40] <danwee> Spamaps: hmm , so you think it might be a bug
[07:41] <danwee> SpamapS: can u explain to me please what exactly going on between juju, orchestra server and the machines,
[07:41] <danwee> SpamapS: where do you recommend i shoud start digging
[07:43] <danwee> SpamapS: i still have two minutes :)
[07:43] <SpamapS> danwee: the first step, bootstrap, has your client machine interrogating cobbler about available systems, and then allocating one, and feeding data into cobbler to boot and install that system.
[07:44] <SpamapS> danwee: until that machine boots and runs the juju agent (which it will do after installation), juju will basically be unaware of its progress installing.
[07:47] <SpamapS> danwee: so, I need to go, but basically if you have cobbler (the main piece of orchestra-provisioning-server) setup right, then on rebooting the system that you've allocated, it should net-boot via PXE, and start installing Ubuntu
[07:47] <danwee> Spamaps: on the cobbler web interface, i edit the system , and mark it as orchestra-juju-available, then i juju bootstrap, it shows a msg that bootstrap completed succefully, and when i check cobber web interface, it shows that the system orechstra-juju-aquired
[07:47] <SpamapS> danwee: once it is done installing and reboots, it should run the agent, and juju status should be able to connect to it.
[07:47] <danwee> SpamapS: thanks for your time , and have a good night sleep, i lll try to catch you guys in a better time
[07:48] <SpamapS> danwee: good. Cobbler also should have generated a PXE configuration (based on the MAC address of the first network interface) that will cause it to boot into the installer.
[07:49] <danwee> SpamapS: hmm i ll check this also, it doesnt boot by itself
[07:49] <SpamapS> danwee: if you don't have a PXE capable system, you can also just boot with url=http://cobblerserver/cobbler/kickstart/systemname  .. I forget the exact url.. but you can see it by viewing the system's kickstart file.
[07:50] <SpamapS> danwee: good luck. Be encouraged, what you're attempting has many many pages of documentation that need to be written on top of the few that are already in existence, and a huge effort is under way to make the whole thing much simpler!
[07:50]  * SpamapS heads to bed
[07:50] <danwee> SpamapS: piece out and thanks agian :)
[08:11] <koolhead17> hello SpamapS
[10:07] <TeTeT> using juju/lxc my machines do not get a public ip, see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/858965/
[10:07] <TeTeT> anything I need to enable this?
[10:08] <TeTeT> guess state: pending is not too good
[10:09] <koolhead17> TeTeT: it does take sometime :)
[10:11] <TeTeT> hmm, ok
[10:11] <TeTeT> any place to monitor progress on setting up the container, e.g. logs or so?
[10:12] <TeTeT> ~/juju/ubuntu-sample it seems
[10:13] <TeTeT> koolhead17: thanks, was not patient enough
[10:19] <koolhead17> TeTeT: yes thats where things are
[10:20] <koolhead17> you have logfiles there
[10:20] <TeTeT> koolhead17: yeah, they are somewhat populated now, some d/l seem to have happened.
[10:20] <koolhead17> and also you can go inside state and  units to see more!! :)
[10:22] <TeTeT> koolhead17: though in units a log file to a non existing log under lxc points to.
[10:22] <TeTeT> hmm, state is actually empty too
[10:22] <koolhead17> TeTeT: ooh :(
[10:23] <koolhead17> first state gets populated and then unit
[10:24] <koolhead17> are you on oneiric
[10:24] <TeTeT> koolhead17: no, precise
[10:24] <koolhead17> TeTeT: i have not played with juju on precise yet, am still on oneiric
[10:24] <TeTeT> koolhead17: I have two new nics, vethw7LG25 and vethAluklw
[10:24] <TeTeT> koolhead17: guess they are used for the containers
[10:25] <koolhead17> hmm possible
[10:26] <koolhead17> TeTeT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/858979/  this is what i used to get my Juju envirnment working without any pain on a physical machine running oneiric
[10:27] <koolhead17> also in precise i think default-series: oneiric     default-series: oneiric will change to precise
[10:27] <TeTeT> koolhead17: looks about the same, I use the contains in oneiric as well, maybe that's the problem, no oneiric containers inside precise?
[10:28] <koolhead17> TeTeT: i don`t know much about juju/precise :(
[10:28] <TeTeT> koolhead17: let me issue a juju destroy-environment and start with all precise again
[10:29] <koolhead17> TeTeT: sounds cool :P
[10:29] <koolhead17> TeTeT: also you have not used PPA correct?
[10:31] <TeTeT> koolhead17: correct, just the precise repo
[10:31] <koolhead17> hmm.
[10:33] <TeTeT> gonna install oneiric in another vm and see if it works there. would you recommend a ppa for use with oneiric?
[10:34] <koolhead17> TeTeT: i have used the default repo and it just worked with the config and manual i shared with u  via ubuntu paste
[10:35] <koolhead17> i have configured it all on a physical machine with oneiric on it not in a Vm, so i have no idea how will it work/behave in the VM env
[10:35] <TeTeT> koolhead17: ok, we'll see then if the virt env makes any differenc
[11:11] <TeTeT> koolhead17: with an oneiric vm juju bootstrap on the virtual net start :( I have seen this before in precise, guess it's fixed there now
[11:30] <TeTeT> koolhead17: installed juju on my precise running laptop, lxc worked just fine, must be a prob with the vms then
[11:32] <TeTeT> I wonder if it's a generic problem with lxc inside a vm or a juju specific one
[12:04] <_mup_> Bug #941873 was filed: upgrading charms that use symbolic links fails <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/941873 >
[12:05] <koolhead17> TeTeT: congrats!! :P
[14:19] <jcastro> SpamapS: we should probably work on our slides today
[16:18] <SpamapS> jcastro: I am free after 14:00 EST
[16:19] <jcastro> SpamapS: ok
[16:19] <jcastro> it's a date, also, we have a rehearsal tomorrow so we can't keep procastinating.
[16:19] <jcastro> even though I enjoy not writing slides.
[16:19] <SpamapS> jcastro: :)
[16:19] <jcastro> that we will put in U1
[16:19] <jcastro> and then lose.
[16:19] <jcastro> again.
[16:19] <SpamapS> they're not lost, they're "merged"
[16:58] <jcastro> marcoceppi: nijaba: FYI, m_3 is going to strata this week and gets on a plane soon, so any help reviewing incoming charms would be <3
[17:15] <jcastro> anyone else getting an install error on the mysql charm?
[17:15] <andrewsmedina> jcastro: what error?
[17:16] <jcastro> I am looking now, I was just hoping someone knew before I had to do the work myself. :)
[17:23] <jcastro> ok weird, it installed this time.
[17:48] <jcastro> hazmat: where's the code to the charm browser?
[18:03] <hazmat> jcastro, on the site
[18:14] <danwee> hello, anybody free to talk about juju ?
[18:19] <SpamapS> danwee: did you get any further?
[18:19] <SpamapS> jcastro: 5 minutes?
[18:20] <jcastro> SpamapS: sure
[18:23] <danwee> SpamapS: hello SapmapS, hmm yeah kinda, ubuntu doesnt explain deploying openstack on juju using orchestra, there page is really missed up, so after i talk to you, i find out that u have to install juju first on orchestra then bootstrap the enviroment and boot the machine, i did and didnt work yet, maybe cause i manually booted it i dont know, and i installed juju from ppa
[18:24] <danwee> SpamapS: but at least i m getting the idea now
[18:27] <danwee> check it out, its really upside down, if someone deosnt know what hes doing , he will get nowhere with these steps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure
[18:28] <jcastro> our docs on that are pretty horrible unfortunately
[18:32] <danwee> very horrible man, first i had to get back to frdora docs, to read a bout cobbler, then i got the RSA key thing, so i have read even more on ssh keys, and then i find out that you have to add it in the evnirnments.yaml by hazmat, and that i have to make it available on cobbler
[18:33] <danwee> and now i find out that you have to make it avialable to juju and then bootstrap it, just by luck
[18:33] <danwee> and still didnt manage to deploy juju yet , i m stand still
[18:37] <SpamapS> danwee: part of the reason there's not more information available on this is that it is being so heavily changed
[18:38] <SpamapS> danwee: in many ways, the 11.10 story for this is a proof of concept, and a tech preview.. and the preview has revealed that we had to change a few things :)
[18:39] <SpamapS> jcastro: by 5, I meant 30 ;) almost ready
[18:39] <jcastro> SpamapS: it's ok, I am cloud scale, I am used to elastic time.
[18:40] <danwee> SpamapS: you know if i manage to deploy juju, i will right it step by step so windows guys will find it even easier to deploy
[18:40] <danwee> with explination pictures
[18:41] <SpamapS> danwee: so where are you stuck now?
[18:41] <SpamapS> danwee: when you say you bootstrapped it.. did you then boot it into the installer with the pre-seed URL?
[18:47] <danwee> SpamapS: ok thats what i did, i installed orchestra with all the distros and profiles it comes with, then i installed juju , made an environments.yaml, went to cobbler web interface and made a new system with precise profile persay, from management i chose > juju-orchestra-available > then juju bootstrap > i went back to the web interface and it was juju-orchestra aquired > ok now the node machine is still off power but configured for pix
[18:47] <danwee> the whole thing started , then when machine finished installing, i juju statused it with a big disappointment
[18:48] <SpamapS> danwee: when it booted up, did it show juju starting on the console?
[18:49] <danwee> which console? the orchestra ?
[18:50] <danwee> on orchestra just connecting to environment
[18:50] <danwee> then connection refused
[18:50] <SpamapS> danwee: no on the machine
[18:50] <danwee> although i chose a profile with juju preseed
[18:51] <danwee> on the machine i just saw it pixie booting the OS
[18:51] <danwee> i didnt notice a msg about juju
[18:51] <SpamapS> danwee: did you upgrade to the latest juju?
[18:52] <danwee> yes i did
[18:52] <danwee> but i didnt boot it from the URL, couldnt find it, so i manually powered on the machine
[18:53] <SpamapS> danwee: the url is critical
[18:53] <SpamapS> danwee: if you PXE booted though, then the installer booted with that url
[18:53] <SpamapS> danwee: the install proceeded automatically, right?
[18:53] <danwee> yes
[18:54] <danwee> and there is a post installation preseed i saw at the end on installation
[18:54] <danwee> and the last key command were executed
[18:54] <SpamapS> danwee: ok, you should be able to ssh to the machine
[18:55] <danwee> checked the kickstart for the system , it was all executed
[18:55] <danwee> yes but after i add authrized_keys to the machine
[18:55] <danwee> otherwaise will ask for a password
[18:56] <SpamapS> danwee: ok thats evidence that something went wrong then
[18:56] <SpamapS> danwee: juju installs your key on all the machines
[18:57] <SpamapS> danwee: once you ssh to the machine, is juju installed already?
[18:57] <danwee> ok where is that key located exactly? /var/lib/orchestra/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ?
[18:58] <danwee> u mean on the machine ? there is no sign for juju whatsoever
[18:59] <danwee> what user should i use on orchestra when i juju bootstrap? root user ?
[18:59] <SpamapS> danwee: ok, so something failed during the automatic install
[18:59] <SpamapS> danwee: ubuntu
[18:59] <danwee> on the orchestra server ?
[19:00] <SpamapS> danwee: no, from your machine, to the bootstrapped machine
[19:00] <SpamapS> danwee: what profile is the machine in?
[19:01] <danwee> precise-juju
[19:01] <danwee> tried oneiric also with and without juju
[19:02] <danwee> i have two machines , orchestra with juju , and the node(machine )
[19:02] <danwee> on the node i have ubuntu user
[19:02] <danwee> on the orchestra/juju what user should i use when i juju stuff
[19:05] <danwee> SpamapS: when orchestra server installed by default, it creates and RSA key on var/lib/orchestra/.ssh
[19:05] <danwee> and a system user : orchestra
[19:06] <danwee> i gave orchestra a pass and login with it , juju bootstrap with it , and i tried root and ordinary user, no luck
[19:07] <danwee> since you have a create .juju folder in the home directory of a user , which user ?
[19:12] <bac> hi m_3, could i ask you some questions about your review of the buildbot charms?
[19:14] <SpamapS> danwee: you actually don't need to use the orchestra server for anything.
[19:15] <SpamapS> danwee: it just hosts cobbler and the webdav server that juju uses to install/boot machines
[19:15] <SpamapS> danwee: everything should work fine from your client
[19:18] <danwee> SpamapS: where is juju installed? on what machine?
[19:19] <SpamapS> danwee: your client machine, and all machines that are bootstrapped or provisioned using your client machine
[19:19] <SpamapS> danwee: bootstrap installs the "juju server" so to speak
[19:20] <danwee> SpamapS: thats how you lost me conpletely
[19:20] <danwee> completely
[19:22] <SpamapS> danwee: juju consists of about 5 parts
[19:22] <SpamapS> danwee: juju the client CLI program, and then some agents
[19:22] <SpamapS> danwee: juju bootstrap provisions a machine to run the 'provisioning agent' ..
[19:23] <SpamapS> danwee: all machines that are provisioned by juju run a 'machine agent'
[19:23] <SpamapS> danwee: and any service units that are deployed run a 'unit agent'
[19:24] <SpamapS> danwee: at the center of all of that, lies zookeeper, which is not really "part" of juju, but is used as the system of record that the agents inspect to find out what they should do
[19:25] <_mup_> Bug #942179 was filed: Spec needed for subordinates <juju:In Progress by bcsaller> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/942179 >
[19:25] <SpamapS> danwee: so your first step in running juju is to run 'juju bootstrap' to allocate a machine to run the provisioning agent and zookeeper
[19:25] <SpamapS> danwee: with EC2, you do this by making EC2 API calls
[19:25] <SpamapS> danwee: with orchestra, you do this by making Cobbler API calls
[19:26] <SpamapS> danwee: the cobbler API call you  make tells cobbler to allocate the machine, and sets some values that will be fed into the installer
[19:26] <SpamapS> danwee: those values install juju on the server
[19:27] <SpamapS> danwee: *and* they install your SSH key
[19:27] <SpamapS> danwee: so, if your SSH key is not appearing on the server (under the ubuntu user) then its likely the automated install failed in some way.
[19:27] <SpamapS> danwee: make sense?
[19:28] <SpamapS> danwee: and also, does it then make sense why we would try to change this so its not so mind-blowingly complicated?
[19:28] <danwee> SpamapS: i m gonna have to read couple of times and think about it
[19:30] <danwee> SpamapS: would we see changes on 12.04 ?
[19:30] <SpamapS> danwee: yes
[19:31] <danwee> SpamapS: well what are you waiting for, go and do your thing, u only have till spring :)
[19:33] <danwee> SpamapS : thanks for the explination, wish i couldve helped somehow
[19:40] <SpamapS> danwee: you have helped.. you've helped confirm that it needed work. :)
[19:45] <danwee> SpamapS: thanks mate, i m still not giving up on juju, i ll try different things tomorrow , time to take my leave, sleep time , you take care and thanks again really
[19:47] <danwee> peace out
[21:53] <hazmat> SpamapS, re doc merges, people seem to be having trouble hitting the right places for merges, i'm thinking we should just merge them for people if needed
[21:56] <SpamapS> hazmat: Sure. I think that one was just done before the switchover


[09:05] <free> wgrant, cjwatson: hey there, some of you around?
[11:45] <cjwatson> free: what's up?
[11:48] <free> cjwatson: hey there
[11:49] <free> cjwatson: I pushed this MP for the txfixtures package (used by LP two, I guess): https://code.launchpad.net/~free.ekanayaka/txfixtures/sphinx-docs/+merge/311472
[11:49] <free> cjwatson: there is a few narrative in the MP description, but in short we (Landscape) would like to push a few new features there, that won't affect the existing ones at all. I'm wondering if we could make Landscape (or me) part of the project, to have commit rights
[11:51] <cjwatson> I think it should be ~lazr-developers
[11:52] <cjwatson> would that suit you?
[11:52] <free> cjwatson: sure, thanks
[11:53] <free> cjwatson: there's also the issue that there's no one in Canonical left with PyPI access to publish txfixtures releases (the owners are Robert Collins, Francis Lacoste and Martin Pool), but I'll get in touch with them for this
[11:53] <cjwatson> free: done, feel free to land your thing
[11:54] <cjwatson> free: hm, wgrant went through a big effort to reclaim PyPI access for a bunch of packages but maybe missed that one
[11:54] <cjwatson> free: Robert has generally been helpful there IIRC
[11:55] <free> cjwatson: cheers! cool, I'll get in touch with him. We're already in contact for other testing-related things
[11:57] <cjwatson> free: one minor thing, once you've landed that sphinx MP I'd suggest setting up a webhook to poke RTD to update (assuming RTD is configured to point to the right branch)
[11:58] <free> cjwatson: yeah we'll need that
[11:58] <cjwatson> free: it's very easy, go to https://code.launchpad.net/+branch/txfixtures, Manage webhooks, Add webhook, tell it to deliver to https://readthedocs.org/build/txfixtures on Bazaar push
[11:59] <free> cjwatson: unrelated, but JFY if you recall that old "issue" with txlongpoll, where I introduced a dependency on some yet-to-be-merged txamqp branch, that's going to be solved too, since I finally got a hang on txamqp (maintainership was transferred to me, since the original author can't work on it anymore)
[11:59] <cjwatson> ah, good
[11:59] <cjwatson> I still haven't had a chance to sort out the txlongpoll deployment issues we have :-/
[12:00] <free> cjwatson: yeah, iirc pbr was a problem for LP?
[12:00] <cjwatson> pbr is a headache
[12:00] <cjwatson> due to buildout
[12:00] <free> cjwatson: the two don't play nice together or what?
[12:00] <cjwatson> buildout doesn't like setup_requires
[12:00] <free> ah
[12:01] <cjwatson> the plan is to ditch buildout, but converting 12 years of build system complexity /o\
[12:01] <free> cjwatson: can't we teach buildout about setup_requires instead? or is that involved?
[12:02] <cjwatson> appears pretty involved, and converting to modern buildout is nearly as big a change as converting to pip anyway
[12:02] <free> cjwatson: I see, makes sense
[12:02] <cjwatson> so might as well convert to pip instead and be on the same tooling as the rest of the modern webdev space
[12:02] <cjwatson> but I keep inconsiderately having urgent new feature development dropped on me instead ;-)
[12:03] <free> cjwatson: :/
[12:04] <free> cjwatson: fwiw I believe a considerable part of Launchpad dependencies is in Debian and relatively well-maintained (and I just submitted an ITP for txfixtures plus uploaded it to NEW)
[12:04] <cjwatson> we mostly don't use packages
[12:04] <free> yeah
[12:04] <cjwatson> but I agree that those parts that are in Debian for whatever reason generally seem to be fairly well-maintained
[13:37] <sigmavirus> cjwatson: heh, I know that feeling of inconsiderately having new features dropped on you
[13:38]  * sigmavirus wishes he had free time to help improve launchpad's packaging
[17:49] <jgdx> hey, I'm getting NOPUBKEY when building https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/+snap/silo-2194 — anything I can do?\
[19:15] <phako> hi - looking for help with a PPA that is in dependency wait which I don't understand
[19:33] <olly> hi, a recent ppa upload for precise i made resulted in an email with "Rejected:" / "Cannot build any of the architectures requested: any all" - the previous upload i made a few months ago doesn't seem to have anything notably different in the _source.changes or .dsc (in particular, the same "any all" arch list) and worked
[19:33] <olly> and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas lists precise as supported still
[19:34] <sarnold> olly: just out of curiosity, what does "any all" mean? I thought one meant "build on amd64 and use for all" and the other meant "build on all architectures"
[19:34] <olly> the subject line of the reject email seems to provide all the useful details: [~xapian-backports/ubuntu/ppa/precise] xapian-core 1.4.1-1.99precise (Rejected)
[19:35] <olly> a source package which builds both arch dependent and arch independent binary packages
[19:35] <sarnold> (back in precise days, the one that meant 'build once and use for all' may still have used i386?)
[19:35] <sarnold> aha
[19:36] <olly> not sure "build on X and use everywhere" is the best way to think of "all"
[19:37] <phako> https://launchpad.net/~yg-jensge/+archive/ubuntu/shotwell-unstable - it waits for libgexiv2-dev 0.10.4 which is also in that PPA - which I don't understand
[19:40] <sarnold> olly: heh, the debian policy doc is kind of all over the place on it :) no wonder I never understood it: " If all or any appears, that value must be the entire contents of the field" but six paragraphs later "Specifying any all indicates that the source package isn't dependent on any particular architecture."
[19:41] <sarnold> olly: thanks :)
[19:42] <olly> i suspect that this change at some point and the first reflects the old state of affairs
[19:42] <olly> changed
[19:42] <olly> *changed
[19:43] <sarnold> yeah
[19:43] <sarnold> that sounds about right
[19:43] <olly> indeed, in "Version <IP_ADDRESS>" "Released February, 2012"
[19:43] <olly> https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt
[19:44] <olly> and precise is 12.04...
[19:44] <olly> but this worked in the previous upload
[19:45] <olly> well, i'll wait and see for now, but might try adjust that and reuploading later
[19:47] <sarnold> oh cool, I haven't seent his upgrading-checklist.txt before.
[19:48] <sarnold> pity it doesn't spell out whatever it was that it replaced :)
[20:00] <olly> fairly sure it used to be "any" for that case (so you couldn't tell as easily if such a source package would built arch all binary packages)
[20:01] <olly> i've filed a bug against policy
[21:10] <cjwatson> jgdx: that's https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1626739, we need to sort that out at our end I'm afraid
[21:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1626739 in Launchpad itself "Snapcraft build failing in Yakkety for unauthenticated stage-packages" [Undecided,New]
[21:11] <cjwatson> olly: "any all" in a .dsc should be fine - give me a minute
[21:11] <jgdx> cjwatson, fine, thanks. Subscribed.
[21:11] <cjwatson> (you wouldn't see that in debian/control, but it's perfectly normal in .dsc files where the source builds a mixture of arch-dep and arch-indep packages)
[21:13] <cjwatson> olly: could you upload the .dsc somewhere for me?  this should definitely work
[21:15] <cjwatson> olly: never mind
[21:15] <cjwatson> olly: this is a super-confusing error message but it's actually because that same version is already in that PPA
[21:16] <cjwatson> olly: you must have uploaded the bitwise-exact same source package again I guess, which for some reason caused LP to go "I know, I'll just try to create any missing builds for that source package"
[21:16] <cjwatson> olly: it's weird that there wasn't an earlier and clearer rejection, but the "any all" thing is a red herring
[21:17] <cjwatson> phako: $ dpkg --compare-versions 0.10.4-0~jensge1~xenial4 ge 0.10.4 && echo yes || echo no
[21:17] <cjwatson> no
[21:18] <cjwatson> phako: ^- i.e. the version of libgexiv2-dev you have is not in fact >= 0.10.4 by Debian version comparison rules
[21:18] <cjwatson> phako: consider using 0.10.4-0jensge1~xenial4 instead (i.e. dropping the first ~)
[21:19] <cjwatson> iliv: out of curiosity, any reason you keep creating https://code.launchpad.net/~commandpromptinc/postgresql-93/+git/postgresql-snap afresh over and over?
[21:25] <phako> cjwatson: meh
[21:25] <phako> thanks
[21:25] <phako> now that you write that I remember falling in that trap some time ago
[21:34] <cjwatson> olly,sarnold: FYI the current policy text is correct and does not need to be amended regarding Architecture in debian/control, although the reason for the different specification is maybe a bit subtle.  I followed up to https://bugs.debian.org/845369 explaining why (should appear there shortly)
[21:34] <ubot5`> Debian bug 845369 in debian-policy "debian-policy: [5.6.8] Not fully updated for "any all"" [Minor,Open]
[21:35] <cjwatson> sarnold: and yes, the architecture-independent builder for Ubuntu changed from i386 to amd64 in vivid, though that's an implementation detail rather than anything that should be specified in policy
[22:26] <sarnold> cjwatson: thanks


 The economics of Linux are fascinating.
[06:16] <adamant1988> ooooh, what channel?
[06:17] <nixternal> lol
[06:17] <nixternal> im half asleep for some reason
[06:17] <johnlittle> I may pull an all nighter..tons of stuff to do before morning
[06:17] <johnlittle> I'm too old for that :(
[06:17] <nixternal> i just might passout soon
[06:17] <adamant1988> that's cool johnlittle... try some skyrocket
[06:17] <nixternal> heh, im only 32, still young
[06:17] <nixternal> haha
[06:18] <johnlittle> I'll stick to coffee :)
[06:18] <nixternal> hehe
[06:18] <nixternal> i could use some actually
[06:18] <adamant1988> pfft... coffee is for the weak
[06:19] <adamant1988> and it tastes bad.   Try some "bawls" (has so much caffeine there is grips on the bottle).
[06:19] <nixternal> mmm bawls ;)
[06:19] <johnlittle> I like Monster...but coffee is my first love
[06:19] <adamant1988> I started with coffee when I was 2
[06:20] <adamant1988> I'm so immune to caffeine that if I don't get it in LARGE doses it doesn't do anything for me.
[06:20] <johnlittle> Or just drop a couple crack rocks in a cup of crystal lite...mmmm
[06:20] <adamant1988> I can go through a 12 pack of coke in a couple hours and still sleep on time
[06:20] <adamant1988> I'm up right now because I'm reading about the economic models with Linux... which ones are going to lead to more OEM installations etc.
[06:21] <johnlittle> Yeah i need a few million milligrams of caffine to be functional..i can't get a buzz on it anymore
[06:21] <johnlittle> a true addict
[08:37] <johnlittle> nixternal?
[08:37] <nixternal> hello
[08:37] <johnlittle> Question..
[08:37] <johnlittle> How many people are active on the marketing team..as far as you know?
[08:38] <nixternal> comes and goes really, but you will see 20+ daily i believe
[08:38] <adamant1988> depends on what you mean by active...
[08:38] <johnlittle> Heh
[08:38] <nixternal> right now, i think most of the people over -> are looking for a little direction really, as I know I find myself looking for it as well
[08:39] <nixternal> i feel more is getting done marketing wise with the LoCo's over the Marketing Team
[08:39] <nixternal> that is why i feel there needs to be a collaboration between the 2
[08:39] <adamant1988> I've been focusing more on my local projects more than anything
[08:39] <johnlittle> Surprised there isn't
[08:39] <nixternal> with the LoCo's you have probably over 1000 Ubuntu advocates out there working
[08:39] <nixternal> there has always been talk, just no action
[08:40] <johnlittle> It's like a lot of volunteer work. You can't wait for somebody to tell you what to do...just do it. But then you risk stepping on toes
[08:41] <nixternal> exactly
[08:41] <johnlittle> Who sets the deliverables for the team..or does it work like that?
[08:42] <nixternal> there needs to be a set "Marketing Agenda" for Ubuntu in it's entirety, and truthfully, I think Canonical needs to set that agenda if they want a real MT
[08:42] <nixternal> nobody does...which i kind of think that is an issue
[08:42] <nixternal> i know there are others who disagree, but I had worked for SuSE prior to them being taken over by Novell, and their Marketing Team was awesome
[08:42] <johnlittle> Seems like it. I expected there to be a Canonical person driving it before I joined.
[08:43] <nixternal> they were a German based company and owned market share at one point, and it was community driven as well, to a point
[08:43] <johnlittle> Yeah I was SUSE before Ubuntu
[08:43] <nixternal> the rules/guidelines, as well as the type of stuff that needed to get done was put out by employees of course, and then the community ran with it
[08:44] <nixternal> Ubuntu has "Word of Mouth" marketing right now and that is it
[08:44] <nixternal> granted nothign beats "Word of Mouth", we must need more Mouths
[08:44] <nixternal> we need to create content that will push non-users to those mouths to learn more about Ubuntu
[08:45] <johnlittle> It's been effective but the more ambitious stuff like magazines would probably benefit from a bit more structure
[08:45] <nixternal> for instance, we had 90 people yesterday join #ubuntu-classroom for an IRC lecture
[08:45] <nixternal> a lot of the people were using Windows and mIRC
[08:45] <johnlittle> Yep..thats why I created ubuntu video
[08:45] <nixternal> i have emails from people who want to switch, and asked for my help...i am open to everyone all the time
[08:45] <nixternal> just from the class i got 10 interested switchers
[08:46] <nixternal> they "heard" about ubuntu on digg, heard about the classroom on digg, and i did some work to get it pimped
[08:46] <nixternal> i had 2 people message me asking what exactly ubuntu was
[08:47] <nixternal> i told one guy i would ship him an Ubuntu CD, a Kubuntu CD, and some stickers for his enjoyment and to check out
[08:47] <nixternal> he was on dial up, so i wasn't expecting him to dl the isos
[08:48] <elkbuntu> or wait 4-10 weeks for delivery and have time to forget all about it ;)
[08:48] <nixternal> hehe ya
[08:49] <nixternal> i shipped him 5 CDs yesterday, and emailed him information on each CD i sent him
[08:49] <johnlittle> Is the marketing team interfacing with LUGs at all?
[08:49] <nixternal> nope
[08:49] <nixternal> but the LoCo's do
[08:49] <nixternal> right now I am currently in 5 different LUGs just to keep up
[08:49] <nixternal> not in as a member, but i frequent the meetings
[08:50] <Madpilot> 5 LUGs? Wow, we've only got one locally, and it's more into beer drinking & Gentoo :|
[08:50] <nixternal> ya same here Madpilot
[08:50] <nixternal> ChiLUG is good though
[08:51] <Madpilot> beer drinking I'm in favour of; Gentoo I don't see the point of :)
[08:51] <nixternal> I haven't made it to one of their events, but they are all pretty cool guys and have a good setup going
[08:51] <nixternal> hehe
[08:51] <nixternal> I will be the "Ubuntu/Debian" guy for the College of DuPage LUG here within the next few weeks
[08:51] <johnlittle> Ubuntu probably has all the brand awareness it needs in the linux world by now though
[08:52] <nixternal> they/we just did an install fest...and their typical 15 to 20 people was darn close to 100
[08:52] <nixternal> and about 80 were Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu installs ;)
[08:52] <johnlittle> heh not surprising
[08:52] <nixternal> I know I made one professor who envies Slackware MAD!!!
[08:52] <nixternal> i just hope i never get him as a professor during the courses i am about to embark on ;)
[08:53] <johnlittle> lol
[09:23] <ormiret> nixternal: the "Public relations" section in your wiki mockups: was that for mathewrevell's press project?
[09:23] <nixternal> yes sir
[09:23] <ormiret> OK I'll leave that bit for him to write
[09:23] <nixternal> i have no clue what is up with any of that truthfully
[09:24] <ormiret> :)
[09:24] <nixternal> that whole thing is a mess yet
[09:41] <matthewrevell> Morning all. Been PC-free all weekend. Have I missed anything?
[09:42] <Burgundavia> not much
[09:42] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: the marketing team issue of memberships seems to have died down
[09:43] <johnlittle> He missed the launch of http://www.ubuntuvideo.com :)
[09:44] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Cool. I think we can safely mark that one as, "Mistake made during transitional period" :)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:44] <Burgundavia> thankfully LP is far better at membership stuff than even 6 months ago
[09:44] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I noticed a thread about that in the ML. Just reading John Baer's proposals at the moment
[09:44] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: john baer seems very enthusiastic
[09:45] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: What does team membership let someone do? Rather a basic question, I realise
[09:45] <johnlittle> Good question
[09:45] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: nothing but a shiny button on their user page
[09:45] <Burgundavia> "feeling of inclusion"
[09:45] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Yeah, which is great.
[09:45] <Burgundavia> yep, both very good but quite "soft"
[09:45] <matthewrevell> Ah, superb
[09:46] <Burgundavia> we need more people helping out the existing projects, like UWN and the Knot release reports, like I mentioned in my email
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ideas are good but fairly cheap, talk is cheaper
[09:46] <johnlittle> It's probably best that I created ubuntuvideo and then joined the team lol
[09:46] <matthewrevell> I say "superb" because it means that what I'm about to suggest is probably worthwhile: let's stop moderating memberships.
[09:46] <Burgundavia> sure that works
[09:47] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Agreed. I think people in the team are coming round to the idea that the magazine idea wasn't yet fully formed and that other projects need the help more
[09:47] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:47] <johnlittle> Why don't some of you busier folks identify tasks that can be offloaded to newer members and post them..put them up for grabs
[09:48] <Burgundavia> and SU seems to have died the "fridge is now working" death, which is a good death
[09:48] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: marketing is now an open team
[09:48] <matthewrevell> SU is only dead because Jenda is on holiday
[09:48] <matthewrevell> I believe
[09:48] <nixternal> [02:47]  <johnlittle> Why don't some of you busier folks identify tasks that can be offloaded to newer members and post them..put them up for grabs
[09:48] <nixternal> great idea ;)
[09:48] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I did
[09:48] <Burgundavia> we need an open task list, on the wiki
[09:48] <nixternal> i know you did Burgundavia as that helps out you and I tremendously
[09:49] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I'm definitely up for working on UWN
[09:49] <Burgundavia> let me edit the wiki page
[09:49] <matthewrevell> brb
[09:50] <nixternal> for Kubuntu Knot release reports, I pretty much have that covered
[09:50] <nixternal> i have a decent grasp with what is new and exciting for the knot releases since I work along side #kubuntu-devel as much as possible
[09:51] <matthewrevell> I have to admit ignorance when it comes to knot reprots
[09:51] <nixternal> there needs to be Xubuntu and Edubuntu release reports as well, and I am sure the Ubuntu release report is pretty large
[09:51] <nixternal> matthewrevell: i was in the same boat for knot1 release, but i was thrown in it, and i could either sink or swim...luckily i swam ;)
[09:51] <matthewrevell> I'll reply to Burgundavia's post, with a "okay, enough ideas, let's do some work" :)
[09:52] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: tbbbhh...
[09:52] <nixternal> my knot 2 release report, which is still "draft", is getting rave reviews ;)
[09:52] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Hey, more than happy to help out, I'll follow your lead
[09:52] <nixternal> which if it wasn't for Burgundavia lighting a fire under my @$$, i would have been working on it at the last second im sure ;)
[09:52] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: ?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: that was me blowing a raspberry at you
[09:53] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Oh :) BTW - not suggesting we need more work from you, dude
[09:53] <matthewrevell> :)
[09:54] <nixternal> heh, i also have a manual merge via MoM as well..i gotta get that done today, or Hobbsee will be chasing me with a pointy stick for sure
[09:54] <matthewrevell> johnlittle's idea of an, erm, ideas list may work better now that an active group is starting to form within the team.
[09:54] <matthewrevell> Sorry, not ideas list, "things to do" list.
[09:55] <nixternal> i swore there used to be one for the MT
[09:55] <matthewrevell> Previously, it's been a bit pie in the sky.
[09:55] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: right, my plate is already pretty crowded
[09:55] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Yeah, but it was stuff like, "Get me a mockup for this site or other"
[09:55] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'm pretty busy too but I can definitely squeeze in some kind of "to do" list
[09:56] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'll see what's already there, and amend it, or create a new one
[09:56] <matthewrevell> nixternal: You still working on the MT wiki pages?
[09:56] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/GetInvolved
[09:56] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Would love to help.
[09:56] <Burgundavia> updated for actual projects in motion
[09:56] <Burgundavia> feel free to add stuff
[09:56] <nixternal> cool matthewrevell, they are open for editing
[09:56] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: oh right
[09:56] <matthewrevell> :)
[09:56] <nixternal> feel free to write away on it if you would like
[09:57] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Sure thing :)
[09:57] <matthewrevell> nixternal: Didn't want to jump in if you had a plan underway
[09:57] <nixternal> i have actually neglected it for the past couple of weeks, one due to vacation, plus edgy work and trying to get in with the doc team a little more
[09:57] <matthewrevell> We've got to lose the team purpose statement on the MT home page
[09:57] <matthewrevell> nixternal: fair enough
[09:57] <nixternal> the plan is there, it just needs content and some loving ;)
[09:57] <Burgundavia> the fewer wiki pages we have, the better
[09:58] <nixternal> i think the V2 is what we want
[09:58] <nixternal> once we have something, then I am going to do a /Marketing main page, and then everything falls under it
[09:58] <nixternal> if someone is interested in Ubuntu Marketing, the only thing they see is an Ubuntu Marketing "Team" page that is hectic
[09:59] <matthewrevell> The team home pag should be nice and simple
[09:59] <nixternal> i woud like to see a "Brief" but "Professional" main Marketing page that explains Ubuntu Marketing, not team ideas, and goals
[09:59] <matthewrevell> yeah, sounds good
[09:59] <nixternal> i believe you have some mad marketing skills, so i am sure you can rock out with no problems
[10:00] <matthewrevell> The team is too loose for a statement of purpose
[10:00] <nixternal> exactly my point
[10:00] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingUbuntu <-- at some point this week, this page is going to go to ubuntu.com/community/participate
[10:00] <johnlittle> It's a vibe more than a mission :)
[10:00] <matthewrevell> other than, "If you want to help with Ubuntu's marketing, then just do it."
[10:00] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: ping me when you are done editing the GetInvolved page
[10:00] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Yeah, exactly :)
[10:01] <nixternal> nice Burgundavia!
[10:01] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: No edits..go for it.
[10:01] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'll amend that HelpingUbuntu page.
[10:01] <matthewrevell> Unless anyone else was planning to
[10:01] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: yes please do. Add anything you think that shoudl come over from the existing participate page
[10:01] <nixternal> man, johnlittle just shows up and boom, he is working his tail off editing wiki pages, providing us with some awesome video
[10:02] <johnlittle> Should I add Ubuntu Video as a project?
[10:02] <nixternal> which btw johnlittle, if it wasn't for you, i would have never seen that hour long video of mark probably
[10:02] <nixternal> that was good stuff at the brazil debconf i believe
[10:02] <johnlittle> nixternal: cool video isnt it
[10:02] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: as a non-official one, sure, but it is more a doc project
[10:03] <matthewrevell> right, I gotta go, sadly
[10:03] <matthewrevell> Catch ya later
[10:03] <johnlittle> How do I add it as a non-official project? I'
[10:03] <nixternal> hey johnlittle, i must say, it would be great to get about 10,000 more of you right now...you just came out of no where and you are rocking it brother!!!  i really like the attitude and your interest in helping Ubuntu!
[10:03] <nixternal> you rock man!
[10:03] <johnlittle> I'd like to be able to appeal to ubuntu marketing team members to record videos for it
[10:04] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: are you looking for marketing videos or documentation videos?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> you currently have  the latter
[10:04] <johnlittle> Nixternal: Thanks. It's just nice to be able to contribute. Wish I had more time
[10:04] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Both!
[10:04] <nixternal> i know the feeling!!! welcome none-the-less
[10:04] <nixternal> feel free to email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you ever need anything!
[10:04] <johnlittle> thanks :)
[10:04] <nixternal> on that note, i am gonna goto bed ;)
[10:05] <nixternal> g'nite all!
[10:05] <johnlittle> oh bed..I should do that soon lol
[10:05] <johnlittle> nite
[10:06] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: can you have two different categories in your wordpress thingy?
[10:06] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I want to collect more user stories, gaming related videos, stuff that appeals to casual users
[10:06] <johnlittle> yeah..i have 4-5 now
[10:06] <Burgundavia> maybe ask for each type on each different page
[10:06] <johnlittle> Yeah that makes sense
[10:08] <Burgundavia> night all
[10:25] <KenSentMe> morning
[10:25] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: I have a question about lug radio rss feeds. Can i ask you that here?
[10:27] <Madpilot> matthewrevell, on that topic, can we harrass you about when the next LugRadio ep is coming out? :)
[10:29] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[10:30] <ormiret> Madpilot: should be today
[10:30] <Madpilot> cool
[10:30] <Madpilot> looking forward to the LRL report :)
[10:32] <ormiret> This will be the one recorded live at LRL (and the last of the season :( )
[10:32] <KenSentMe> What program do you use to collect the feeds from lug radio?
[10:33] <ormiret> bloglines.com
[10:33] <KenSentMe> I use iPodder, but it downloads the recordings with the extensions .ogg?project instead of .ogg
[10:33] <Madpilot> I just check the site at random :)
[10:33] <Madpilot> then download
[10:34] <KenSentMe> Pretty annoying. My mp3 car radio doesn't accept those extensions
[10:38] <digitalmouse> ken:  no desire to convert to mp3?
[10:39] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: the same with mp3, the extension becomes mp3?podcast instead of just mp3 (my car audio only excepts mp3 btw)
[10:40] <digitalmouse> write a little bash script to rename automagically :-)
[10:40] <digitalmouse> add the bash script to a cron process that watches a folder where the files are stored so you can 'fire-n-forget'
[10:42] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: that's not the way to solve problems. Maybe i can write such a script but other users may not
[10:42] <digitalmouse> then write one, add a little gui to it, and make it available to everyone - that is a way to *share* solved problems
[10:43] <digitalmouse> publicizing helps everyone
[10:44] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: again, that's no solution, it's a way to work around a problem. How will people know i've made a solution. I've the problem can be solved on the suppliers side it's much better
[10:44] <digitalmouse> or, ask the host of the podcast to see if the problem is at their end.  could be a simple link fudging.
[10:44] <KenSentMe> I've / if
[10:44] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: that's why i was pinging matthewrevell
[10:44] <ormiret> KenSentMe: ask in #lugradio
[10:45] <KenSentMe> ormiret: good tip
[10:47] <digitalmouse> ken: I agree, but if others have that problem it is probably posted someplace.  if matthew cannot fix it at his end (though unlikely given his level of knowledge), then a bash-script solution is viable as well, IMHO.  better to have other possibilities available.  and maybe turn it into an article/tutorial on solving problems with ubuntu an something like Gambas (GUI-app developer) or other RAD package that requires little programm
[10:48] <digitalmouse> way*  (not was)
[10:49] <digitalmouse> (no coffee yet this morning)
[10:49] <KenSentMe> I agree, but i haven't asked the people at Lug Radio. I think that's the first step. If they can't / won't solve it, THEN i'll check other ways
[10:51] <digitalmouse> sounds like a plan
[10:51] <digitalmouse> :-)
[07:08] <johnlittle> Despite being touted as the most secure version of the Windows operating series, Microsoft's upcoming Vista has already been hacked at a hackers' conference last week, reports CNET News.com.
[07:15] <Chons> ^^
[07:17] <Klaidas> Dear aunt,
[07:17] <Klaidas> you saw that one? :)
[07:18] <Klaidas> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472&q=vista+presentation
[07:38] <lophyte> hahaha
[07:38] <lophyte> nice.
[10:14] <johnlittle> I created an Ubuntu Video project page. Not sure if this is what I should have done. I guess it can always be deleted: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuVideo
[10:54] <lophyte> johnlittle: a group of people from Ubuntu Canada are meeting up next Friday to discuss doing videos, actually
[10:54] <johnlittle> lophyte: fantastic
[10:55] <lophyte> johnlittle: we have a Linux Caffe in Toronto.. the owner has some experience with film and video, as do a few of us in the team.. so we're gonna meet at the Caffe and toss ideas around
[10:55] <lophyte> I'll post on the marketing mailing list what we come up with if you'd like
[10:56] <johnlittle> please do. And if you can make whatever you create available via YouTube and Goolge it facilitates distribution (even though it isn't FOSS)
[10:56] <lophyte> agreed :)
[10:56] <johnlittle> er Google
[10:57] <johnlittle> Sounds like you could do something pretty creative with a group like that
[10:57] <johnlittle> Have you watched the adventures in Linux clip?
[10:57] <lophyte> nope
[10:57] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/2006/08/05/adventures-in-linux-episode-1-ubuntu/
[10:57] <johnlittle> Pretty creative stuff from those guys
[10:58] <lophyte> oo, I wasn't aware there was an ubuntu video
[10:58] <adamant1988> yeah
[10:58] <adamant1988> my blog is linked to on there :D
[10:59] <johnlittle> Link back :p
[10:59] <adamant1988> Maybe i will :P
[10:59] <lophyte> I'm not quite sure what this Ubuntu Canada team is gonna do, we haven't really tossed out any ideas yet, but that what hte meeting will be for
[10:59] <lophyte> I imagined it'd be mostly promotional type stuff, but who knows
[10:59] <adamant1988> I think that widespread marketing teams are kind of caught between a rock and a hard place
[10:59] <johnlittle> Just work  in the word ubuntu and I'll post it lol
[11:00] <adamant1988> I've come to that conclusion after seeing all the things I've been able to do locally, but my severely limited options when it comes to the Marketing Team.
[11:00] <lophyte> well, the reason I joined the marketing team is because I'm enthusiastic about promoting it and sharing it with others locally, but at the same time I believe there needs to be some kind of central management hub for those efforts..
[11:01] <adamant1988> I think the purpose of the marketing team would be better to act as a center point for the loco teams, to see some collaborative efforts between them.
[11:01] <lophyte> yup, that's exactly how I see it
[11:01] <johnlittle> agreed
[11:01] <lophyte> we collaborate internationally, and then find people in our localities and get together with them to go and actually do the things we've planned
[11:01] <adamant1988> As it stands right now everything we do is in addition to the loco teams which are (typically) more active and more productive.  We're limited by cost, the Loco teams decide what their needs are individually.
[11:02] <adamant1988> if the marketing team had a bank account I think we would be a bit more effective.
[11:02] <lophyte> I'd say there needs to be some sort of organizational heirarchy (for marketing efforts anyway) with the marketing team at the top and the locos under it
[11:03] <lophyte> it'd be even better if there was one or two representatives from each loco team in the marketing team.. kinda like a loco marketing person
[11:03] <adamant1988> I disagree, that implies that the marketing team should be 'more powerful' than the locos.  The loco teams are actually out there, they're in the field and they know the territory.  Having a marketing team 'head' that told the Loco's what they should and shouldn't be doing is a bad idea.
[11:04] <lophyte> well, no.. it'd be a collaborative effort, not necessarily a power thing
[11:04] <lophyte> by heirarchy, I meant organizationally.. not power
[11:04] <adamant1988> The Marketing team should be a rep from each loco team so they can collaborate, share ideas, and maybe even provide each other with small funding efforts.
[11:04] <lophyte> exactly.
[11:04] <adamant1988> think of it as a 'franchised' marketing team.
[11:04] <lophyte> sorry, I didn't make myself clear
[11:04] <lophyte> that's exactly what I was thinking
[11:05] <adamant1988> The loco teams would be given a certain set of rules that needed to be played by, but for everything else they could do what they needed.
[11:05] <lophyte> I agree
[11:06] <adamant1988> and 'the marketing team' would merely be a means for the locos to collaborate and share information and statistics.
[11:06] <lophyte> yeah :)
[11:07] <adamant1988> I've actually been inspired to start a small business out of the loco team here in Elkins.
[11:08] <adamant1988> I've had a lot of luck with the bait & hook advertising method locally, and this is a population that is just scared of computers.
[11:08] <lophyte> I've been wanting to start Linux consulting business for a while.. I'm planning to in the next few years
[11:08] <adamant1988> lophyte you want to see if this works for you?
[11:08] <adamant1988> Do you have a laptop?
[11:09] <lophyte> not at the moment
[11:09] <adamant1988> Oh, I've found this works better with a laptop
[11:09] <lophyte> I'll probably get one at some point when I find some work
[11:10] <adamant1988> What I usually do is I go to the Wifi-Cafes and Libraries with Wifi access and sit around for a few hours and search and wait for someone there to do something stupid on their computer or start complaining about how slow things are, or other typical windows behavior
[11:10] <adamant1988> Then what you do is "bait them" by "overhearing" them and coming out with "Oh, that's a shame, I don't have that problem anymore since I started using Ubuntu Linux"
[11:11] <adamant1988> Of course you have to look them right in the eye and say it
[11:11] <lophyte> nice.. I never thought of that
[11:11] <adamant1988> and their next statement will tell you exactly what you need to do
[11:11] <lophyte> though, that's kinda what I did to my girlfriend
[11:11] <lophyte> I'll try that
[11:11] <adamant1988> Sometimes I get "What's that", other times I get "I thought Linux was hard" or "But Linux is just command line stuff like DOS isn't it?"
  I need Media... i can't stand computing quietly, there is ALWAYS music playing on my computer. I need Programs... I need programs that are pretty up to date and I need to see new additions to my library of programs being added (semi) regularly  so that I don't feel so limited, and I need internet
[11:17] <adamant1988> But I also like having a computing experience that looks nice, so I refuse to use KDE
[11:17] <lophyte> what do you use?
[11:17] <adamant1988> Gnome
[11:18] <adamant1988> Everything I use is Gnome... the only reason I would use otherwise is if the distro supplied functionality I needed but kind of 'locked me in' with KDE
[11:18] <adamant1988> in which case KDE would be modified and themed as much as possible to look just like gnome.
[11:19] <adamant1988> but stock KDE looks like something I would see on a computer designed for a 5 year old...it just looks like it was made by playskool.
[11:19] <lophyte> I agree
[11:19] <lophyte> I use Gnome as well
[11:19] <adamant1988> Whereas gnome looks simple and clean right off the bat unless the distro has been screwing with it.
[11:20] <johnlittle> KDE makes me want to hurt somebody
[11:20] <johnlittle> there are some great KDE apps tho
[11:20] <adamant1988> k3b rocks
[11:20] <johnlittle> yep
[11:20] <adamant1988> and KDE is supposedly going to help assist in hardware implementation with KDE 4
[11:21] <adamant1988> but if they don't make it look different I'm going to cry
[11:21] <adamant1988> anywho, we're off topic
[11:21] <lophyte> hehe, yeah
[11:22] <adamant1988> anywho lophyte the point is don't use LiveCDs at bestbuy, and get a laptop
[11:22] <adamant1988> I would buy a laptop from System76 but the battery life on them leaves something to be desired.
[11:23] <johnlittle> i might pick up a laptop in a couple of weeks
[11:23] <adamant1988> But yes, My "business" as it were is going nicely, although I don't think I'm going to push Ubuntu solely.
[11:25] <lophyte> My business idea mostly targets moving small-to-medium sized businesses to Linux
[11:25] <adamant1988> Right now as it stands I have a decent install business going that adds to itself.  I do a free installations for groups of people.  Like full families and friends.
[11:25] <adamant1988> But I make money still because I'm charging for my time.
[11:25] <lophyte> that's cool
[11:25] <adamant1988> But the installations themselves are free.
[11:26] <adamant1988> That way I'm not charging for the OS
[11:26] <lophyte> I'd like to help convert businesses to Ubuntu, and make my money off of supporting them
[11:26] <adamant1988> I could push businesses in multiple directions.
[11:27] <lophyte> like, small businesses who could really benefit from cutting the costs of proprietary products
[11:27] <adamant1988> locally businesses spend a lot of money on backup tapes and so forth because they worry about virus and spyware issues.
[11:28] <lophyte> I'm also considering pulling together Kerberos and LDAP into a single package, and writing a GUI configuration tool for them
[11:28] <lophyte> for single sign-on services on a business network
[11:28] <adamant1988> That's where I'm aiming to target, I can show them that they will save money by switching to Ubuntu simply because they don't have to worry about viruses and spyware.
[11:28] <lophyte> yeah
[11:29] <adamant1988> so that the total cost of installation would be less than they would spend on the tapes in 2 months.
[11:29] <adamant1988> and they would start actually seeing the 'savings' in the following months.
[11:30] <adamant1988> But right now I'm strictly grass roots
[11:31] <adamant1988> I'm looking to collaborate with more people, get some potential investments, and maybe even talk with some people about making it into a corporation.
[11:32] <lophyte> that's what I'd like to do at some point
[11:32] <adamant1988> perhaps we could collaborate then lophyte/
[11:33] <lophyte> that sounds like a good idea
[11:33] <adamant1988> I'm looking for partners anyway
[11:33] <lophyte> I'm definitely interested in that
[11:33] <lophyte> you mean kinda like two separate companies having a business relationship?
[11:35] <adamant1988> or we could make one, whichever suits the needs of us both best.
[11:36] <lophyte> I also thought of it like that too.. kinda like one company, two locations
[11:37] <adamant1988> think: franchise.
[11:37] <lophyte> yeah
[11:38] <adamant1988> we could workout the details via email my email is (my name) @ Gmail.com
[11:39] <lophyte> mine is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:40] <adamant1988> you really shouldn't have done that
[11:41] <lophyte> why?
[11:41] <lophyte> oh.. irc logs.. d'oh
[11:41] <adamant1988> this channel is logged...
[11:41] <johnlittle> It won't travel far :)
[11:42] <nixternal> get um RichJ
[11:42] <johnlittle> lol
[11:42] <lophyte> haha
[11:43] <lophyte> alrighty.. I gotta go for a bit
[11:45] <johnlittle> ttyl
[11:45] <adamant1988> so nixternal how are the kids?
[11:48] <nixternal> kids?
[11:49] <nixternal> i have 1 10 yo daughter ;)
[11:49] <nixternal> don't give me any more please
[11:50] <johnlittle> lol
[11:52] <adamant1988> lol
[11:52] <adamant1988> I give you props, I could never have a daughter... there would be too many dead sons about 13 years after she was born 0_0
[11:53] <johnlittle> I will not spawn..at least not soon. I may go larry king style
[11:55] <adamant1988> lol


[03:53] <arraybolt3> Yay, looks like lxqt-policykit is finally going to migrate. Took almost a week but it's doing it now.
 there was something up with proposed migration arraybolt.  bdmurray emailed about it late last week


[14:51] <erUSUL> where is ubottu ?
[14:51] <bazhang> ^^
[14:51] <erUSUL> but still not joined #ubuntu ...
[14:52] <bazhang> will take a moment to join I imagine
[14:52] <bazhang> * ubottu (n=supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu) has joined #ubuntu
[14:52] <erUSUL> kk...
[18:52] <ophys> hi everybody
[18:52] <Myrtti> hi
[18:53] <ophys> i have a problem with the hardware
[18:55] <Myrtti> if you've got support questions, they're answered in #ubunti
[18:55] <Myrtti> #ubuntu, rather
[18:56] <ophys> cai i use a 4 pin atx cable wired to two molex instead of a 4 pin atx cable wired to the power supply?
[18:56] <ophys> *can
[18:56] <Myrtti> sounds like ##hardware
[18:56] <ophys> there's an hardware channel?
[18:57] <Myrtti> yes.
[18:57] <ophys> i can't find it, could you tell me the name?
[18:58] <Myrtti> ##hardware or #hardware
[18:59] <ophys> thx
[20:00] <evanrmurphy> I just tried setting up a channel forward from #ubuntu-es-l10n to #ubuntu-l10n-es. Could somebody test it for me please? I tried myself still succeed on entering, but I'm not sure if that's because of my flags or because the forward failed.
[20:02] <DJones> evanrmurphy: Seems to have left me in #ubuntu-es-l10n
[20:03] <evanrmurphy> DJones: I think you entered just before I set the new flags. Would you mind trying again please?
[20:04] <DJones> will do
[20:04] <niko>  /msg chanserv mode #channel +if #newchannel
[20:04] <DJones> thats put me into #ubuntu-l10n-es
[20:05] <evanrmurphy> DJones, niko, Pici: thanks
[20:05] <DJones> your welcome


[07:10] <Ddorda> good morning :D
[21:22] <MTecknology> Is it ok if I use #ubuntu-newyears for the day?
[21:24] <MTecknology> I can use ## if you want
[21:25] <MTecknology> eh; I'll do that anyway - considering it's temporary


[00:47] <pleia2> I'll release the newsletter when I get back later this evening
[01:11] <guiverc_t> :)
[02:51] <pleia2> guiverc_t: I should show you how to do some of the release steps, but perhaps on an night when I'm not so tired from traveling across an ocean and staying in yet-another-hotel :)
[02:55] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 488 for the week November 14 - 20, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue488
[03:00] <pleia2> sigh, getting a database error when trying to post to the forums
[03:00] <pleia2> will try again in the AM I guss
[03:00] <pleia2> oh, hey, the whole website is broken at the moment
[03:01] <Unit193> \o/
[03:04] <pleia2> anyway, otherwise done
[03:04] <pleia2> good night :)
[03:23] <guiverc_t> night & sorry i mised.  completely understand flying jet-lag & needing sleep etc.


[00:58] <darkxst> jbicha, can you upload the gdm fix bug 1212408
[01:01] <jbicha> darkxst: does it depend on the gnome-session merge proposal?
[01:04] <jbicha> robert_ancell: uh, shouldn't lightdm default $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP to GNOME if it's not set?
[01:05] <robert_ancell> jbicha, no
[01:05] <jbicha> we did that in gnome-session though didn't we?
[01:05] <skaet> jbicha, The template for the beta 1 release notes has been set up.   It can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/UbuntuGNOME
[01:05] <robert_ancell> jbicha, right, gnome-session might set it there, but lightdm is setting it before gnome-session and has no idea what session it might be
[01:06] <skaet> darkxst, ^
[01:07] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh needs the gnome-session fix as well
[01:07] <jbicha> robert_ancell: so https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/saucy/gnome-session/lp1212408/+merge/183304 is correct then?
[01:07] <darkxst> skaet, thanks
[01:11] <robert_ancell> jbicha, yes, both MPs look good to me
[01:12] <jbicha> darkxst: are you wanting to try to push these fixes into Beta 1?
[01:18] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh
[02:03] <jbicha> darkxst: you want to do a mp for gnome-shell-extensions too?
[02:15] <darkxst> jbicha, what is needed?
[02:16] <jbicha> well doesn't the gnome-classic session need the new key too?
[02:20] <darkxst> ah yep
[02:28] <darkxst> https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/saucy/gnome-shell-extensions/lp1212408/+merge/183560
[02:34] <jbicha> darkxst: the patch is missing https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/saucy/gnome-shell-extensions/lp1212408/+merge/183560
[02:45] <darkxst> jbicha, oops, I messed that branch. here -> https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/saucy/gnome-shell-extensions/lp1212408-fix/+merge/183562
[02:47] <jbicha> done and I'm off to bed
[02:48] <jbicha> I'll let you ask for the unblocks
[05:49] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[05:49] <darkxst> do you have patches to build gnome-shell post binary split?
[06:08] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, not right now, currently there are like 8 commits i am reverting in mutter
[06:16] <ricotz> darkxst, ah and there is one linker patch for gnome-shell
[06:26] <darkxst> ricotz, ok, I was just building under jhbuild for now, so using new cogl/clutter (without wayland)
[06:28] <ricotz> darkxst, yes, while not having clutter/cogl transitioned, luckily wayland is optional
[06:39] <ricotz> darkxst, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gnome-shell/
[12:59] <alex212> Anyone here knowing a way of enabling a the hibernate option in gnome 3.8's interactive shutdown menu?
[13:04] <jbicha> alex212: you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[13:05] <alex212> i already edited the policykit and i tested the cli tools. I just can't get it to show in the menus
[13:12] <jbicha> did you restart gnome-shell after editing the policykit file?
[13:14] <alex212> yes, it just doesn't show up anywhere - in unity it used to so it's gnome-related
[13:21] <jbicha> gsettings get org.gnome.shell.extensions.alternative-status-menu allow-hibernate
[13:21] <jbicha> ^ that returns true, right?
[13:23] <alex212> yes
[13:26] <jbicha> does hibernate show in Unity?
[13:26] <jbicha> gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/freedesktop/login1 --method org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate
[13:28] <alex212>  GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.login1 was not provided by any .service files
[13:30] <jbicha> is the alternative-status-menu extension enabled?
[16:30] <g0twig> ricotz: jo
[16:51] <ricotz> g0twig, listen to pochu ;)
[18:37] <g0twig> ricotz: what do you think about the whole packaing thing in debian :/ they are quite outdated
[18:37] <g0twig> ricotz: do you think ubuntu packagers will bring gnome 3.10 core apps to ubuntu ?


[04:25] <thomi> lifeless: ping? Got a minute?
[04:40] <lifeless> hi
[04:40] <lifeless> sure
[04:44] <thomi> lifeless: so we're using python-junitxml to get test results published in jenkins. Everything was working smoothly, and then today we start getting 0-byte result files.
[04:44] <thomi> it seems that if we run just part of the test suite everything works as expected
[04:44] <thomi> ...but if we run the whole thing we end up with an empty file.
[04:45] <thomi> I've tried writing a test to reproduce the problem, but haven't had any luck so far. I was wondering if you've come across this before?
[04:45] <lifeless> something is exiting the process without letting normal cleanup occur
[04:45] <lifeless> e.g. calling _exit()
[04:46] <lifeless> or segfault
[04:46] <thomi> lifeless: hmmmm, that sounds plausible
[04:46] <lifeless> the way the file gets written
[04:46] <lifeless> is that each test accumulates data in an object
[04:46] <lifeless> and result.stopTestRun() triggers serialization
[04:47] <lifeless> stopTestRun is not getting called
[04:47] <lifeless> -> one of the things I listed is the cause ;)
[04:47] <lifeless> sadly junit files cannot be written incrementally
[04:47] <thomi> lifeless: awesome, thanks. I should be able to track it down now
[04:50] <lifeless> gl
[04:52] <thomi> ty
[05:06] <thomi> lifeless: heh, I figured it out - jenkins was aborting our test runner since it had taken longer than the configured timeout, and I didn't notice the log message :)
[05:15] <lifeless> :)
[21:41] <chilts> morning
[21:41] <chilts> ibeardslee: yeah, lovely holiday
[21:41] <chilts> really didn't want to come back to the winter :)
[21:42] <chilts> it was a crazy 3 weeks going all around the UK to see people, but a good half a week in Paris at the end


[09:06] <CIA-22> user-setup: evand * r92 user-setup.ubuntu/debian/ (changelog user-setup-udeb.templates): * We no longer use the plugdev, netdev, powerdev, and scanner groups.
[09:08] <CIA-22> user-setup: evand * r93 user-setup.ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.16ubuntu2
[09:31] <CIA-22> user-setup: evand * r94 user-setup.ubuntu/ (debian/changelog user-setup-apply): * Remove scanner group from the system.
[09:43] <ganesh> cjwatson_, hai
[09:43] <ganesh> cjwatson_, im facing grub problem
[09:45] <ganesh> cjwatson_, i copied the whole filesystem into the newly created partition , now i want to boot from that partition
[09:45] <ganesh> cjwatson_, without doing manuall process i want to boot it
[09:50] <ganesh> cjwatson_, i can do that the booting process manually like going through the command "grub"
[09:52] <ganesh> cjwatson_, i tried up other commands like " grub-install "
[09:53] <ganesh> cjwatson_, these commands making grub folder not the menu.lst , why it is so.........
[09:59] <ganesh> cjwatson_, please mail me into<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:20] <tjaalton> pkgsel fails with "ls: /usr/lib/pre-pkgsel.d/*: No such file or dir". Probably the "*" shouldn't be there?
[12:25] <evand> ah, indeed.
[12:38] <evand> oh, hrm.  The former means that scripts in subdirectories get executed.
[12:42] <tjaalton> hmm, yes
[13:12] <saispo> hi all
[13:13] <saispo> anyone know what is the problem when in the log you have Missing debootstrap-required vim-tiny for example
[13:16] <saispo> evand: an idea ?
[13:26] <evand> no, I don't.  Sorry.
[13:45] <saispo> no prob, thanks evand
[13:45] <saispo> evand: cjwatson is out ?
[13:46] <evand> saispo: he's very busy this week, often in meetings.
[13:46] <saispo> ok
[13:46] <saispo> no problem :)
[15:31] <CIA-22> user-setup: evand * r95 user-setup.ubuntu/debian/ (changelog user-setup-udeb.templates): * Add back plugdev. It's needed to make mounting easier for shell users.
[15:32] <CIA-22> user-setup: evand * r96 user-setup.ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.16ubuntu3
[20:34] <michael_e_brown> anybody here know grub?
[20:34] <michael_e_brown> I need to display the grub menu entries in chinese.
[20:34] <michael_e_brown> anybody have any idea?
[20:36] <michael_e_brown> evand, cjwatson --^
[22:46] <xivulon> evand there is no entry for the new installation in menu.lst
[22:46] <xivulon> I assume this is related to what you mentioned this morning
[23:44] <xivulon> I used to use preseed: d-i console-setup/layoutcode string gb
[23:44] <xivulon> but it does not seem to work these days
[23:45] <xivulon> I have noticed that someone is using en_GB in there
[23:45] <xivulon> what is the convention for that?
[23:48] <evand> xivulon: why are you using separate partitions rather than a single root and swap?
[23:48] <xivulon> ???
[23:48] <xivulon> I am not
[23:49] <xivulon> unless it's far
[23:49] <evand> odd.
[23:49] <xivulon> fat
[23:49] <evand> I'm seeing a usr.disk
[23:49] <xivulon> in fat there is a 4Gb limit so to go around that I use several files
[23:49] <xivulon> in ntfs I use only root and swap
[23:51] <xivulon> If you see usr.disk under ntfs,  send me the wubi log in %TEMP%
[23:54] <xivulon> evand are you on fat
[23:57] <evand> ntfs


[03:19] <Fudge> can anyone confirm flat review in system/ user  accounts crashes system
[05:54] <Fudge> < Fudge> anyone know if thetalking debian-installer can be made to work in ubuntu?
[05:54] <Fudge> < youpi> Fudge: only if they kept a text-only debconf frontend
[05:54] <Fudge> is anyone able to answer this ?