[08:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, Happy Endangered Species Day and Happy World Information Society Day! :-D
[12:59] <Saviq> hi all, I seem to be unable to log into U1, I'm getting an "Authentication failed: OpenID authentication failed: Bad signature" error
[13:01] <ralsina> Saviq: random check, is your date correct?
[13:02] <Saviq> ralsina, mine is, yes
[13:02] <ralsina> Saviq: version number?
[13:02] <ralsina> Saviq: and version of ubuntu
[13:02] <Saviq> ralsina, I meant to the website, sorry
[13:02] <ralsina> Saviq: ah, ok!
[13:02] <ralsina> beuno: ^
[13:02] <Saviq> ralsina, and I can log in to other Ubuntu SSO-backed services
[13:05] <JamesTait> Saviq, hi!
[13:05] <Saviq> JamesTait, hey
[13:06] <JamesTait> So you can log into Launchpad, etc, but U1 is failing the OpenID signature check?  Interesting.
[13:07] <Saviq> JamesTait, yes
[13:08] <JamesTait> Saviq, I'm mulling this over, because I'm wary of locking you out of more services. :)
[13:09] <Saviq> JamesTait, tried in a private browser session just to make sure, no go
[13:10] <JamesTait> Saviq, good thinking.  Taking that route, I presume you had to click the Login/Sign Up link in U1 and enter your credentials in login.ubuntu.com, right?
[13:11] <Saviq> JamesTait, yes
[13:12] <JamesTait> Saviq, bear with me a moment, let me check something.
[13:12] <Saviq> my u1 account seems to be haunted ;)
[13:12] <JamesTait> Spooky. :)
[13:16] <JamesTait> Saviq, my gut is telling me that both launchpad and u1 will be using the exact same OpenID library, but I'm trying to confirm that.
[13:19] <JamesTait> Saviq, my gut is also telling me that a bad signature for a single user is probably down to some weird encoding issue on that account.  Do you have any "strange" characters in your login.ubuntu.com account? i.e. in your name, e-mail address or team memberships?
[13:19] <Saviq> JamesTait, my name is Michał
[13:19] <JamesTait> Saviq, also, could you tell me your launchpad username?
[13:20] <Saviq> JamesTait, is same - savq
[13:20] <Saviq> saviq
[13:20] <JamesTait> Thanks
[13:20] <Saviq> JamesTait, didn't have problems like that before...
[13:20] <Saviq> and I didn't change my name since ;)
[13:20]  * Saviq tries to get rid of the ł
[13:21] <dobey> launchpad is special. it's not a good comparitive test case
[13:21] <JamesTait> Saviq, we recently rolled out an update to SSO that may have introduced this.
[13:21] <JamesTait> dobey, "special"?
[13:21] <JamesTait> :)
[13:21] <Saviq> JamesTait, removing "ł" didn't help
[13:21] <dobey> JamesTait: launchpad doesn't use login.ubuntu.com. it has it's own copy of it
[13:22] <JamesTait> dobey, true, but I think it's using the same code? I'm not sure, tbh.
[13:22] <Saviq> JamesTait, nothing funky in my memberships that I can find
[13:23] <dobey> JamesTait: mostly, yeah. wiki.ubuntu.com or similar, or a canonical service for employees that uses sso, would be a generally better comparison test though
[13:25] <JamesTait> dobey, good point - Saviq could you try wiki.ubuntu.com please?
[13:26] <JamesTait> I did just manage to hit a bug locally relating to that ł in my name, but not a signature verification failure.
[13:26] <Saviq> JamesTait, worked fine
[13:26] <Saviq> JamesTait, logged out and back in, no password entry though, 'cause was logged into SSO
[13:27] <JamesTait> Yeah, that's normal.  It should result in the same post back to the relying party.
[13:27] <Saviq> JamesTait, ah
[13:27] <Saviq> JamesTait, I changed my name on login.ubuntu.com
[13:27] <Saviq> logged in to U1 fine
[13:27] <Saviq> checking if that's the culprit again
[13:28] <JamesTait> OK, that's "good", for a certain definition of "good". ;)
[13:28] <Saviq> JamesTait, yes, your gut was righ
[13:28] <Saviq> t
[13:28] <Saviq> but I checked wrong
[13:28] <JamesTait> :)
[13:29] <Saviq> JamesTait, yeah, the "ł" in my name is what makes it die
[13:29] <JamesTait> Saviq, want me to raise the bug against canonial-identity-provider, or will you?  I'll get working on the fix straight away.
[13:30] <Saviq> JamesTait, launchpad?
[13:30] <Saviq> JamesTait, doing
[13:30] <JamesTait> Saviq, thanks. :)
[13:31] <Saviq> JamesTait, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+bug/1181229
[13:31] <Saviq> JamesTait, thanks
[13:31] <JamesTait> So something in the handling of OpenID Attribute Exchange is not properly encoding things that Simple Registration was.
[13:31] <JamesTait> Saviq, thank *you*
[14:23]  * JamesTait -> school run


[04:32] <desertc> Yellow.
[04:33] <Madpilot> ??
[04:35] <Burgundavia> green
[04:36] <boredandblogging> Jackets!
[04:37] <Burgundavia> shoes
[07:50] <de3> good morning.
[07:50] <de3> someone already awake?
[07:51] <de3> I think I have asked but under which licence are the pics and texts in TheFridge?
[07:52] <desertc> Hiya, de3
[08:12] <de3> hi juliux
[08:12] <juliux> hi de3
[08:13] <de3> juliux:I think I have asked already, but you know the licence of teh Fridge-articles?
[08:13] <de3> Also CC-BY-NC-SA ?
[08:14] <juliux> de3, let me check my chat with pitti about that
[08:15] <juliux> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal
[08:16] <juliux> but i don´t know if that is also for the fridge
[08:17] <de3> juliux: there is nothing about a licence. you can read "You should respect the licence on each page" but TheFridge has none.
[08:18] <juliux> that is the problem
[08:18] <juliux> so asked the author
[08:18] <juliux> beuno, ping
[19:26] <bmk789> are there any liscencing issues to selling ubuntu/kubuntu merchandise on cafepress?
[19:41] <somerville32> bmk789, Ubuntu and Kubuntu are registered trademarks of Canonical.
[20:31] <bmk789_> so it would be illegal to sell any merchandise relating to linux or ubuntu?
[20:32] <somerville32> I dunno. I am not a lawyer.
[20:33] <somerville32> I'd e-mail Canonical before you sold things.
[20:50] <juliux> bmk789_, you should wirte an mail to canonical see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DraftTrademarkPolicy2007
[20:54] <bmk789__> thanks somerville32 and juliux
[20:54] <somerville32> np
[20:54] <somerville32> Hope you stick around and hang out with us! :)
[20:55] <somerville32> Who is doing UWN these days?
[20:56] <boredandblogging> somerville32: me nad johc4510
[20:56] <somerville32> What happened to the guy whose nick starts with B
[20:57] <somerville32> beuno,
[20:57] <boredandblogging> beuno is taking a break
[20:57] <boredandblogging> bapoumba helps out as well
[20:57] <somerville32> Who is mailing them off?
[20:58] <boredandblogging> somerville32: me
[20:58] <somerville32> Is someone approving them or do you have the ml passwd?
[20:58] <boredandblogging> somerville32: i have the password
[20:59] <somerville32> You haven't changed it, have you?
[20:59] <juliux> bmk789__, you are welcome
[20:59] <boredandblogging> somerville32: i haven't
[20:59] <somerville32> boredandblogging, okay.
[21:01] <boredandblogging> somerville32: were you asking for a specific reason?
[21:01] <somerville32> boredandblogging, I was just wondering if the password I have would still work.
[21:02] <boredandblogging> it should
[21:09] <bmk789__> now, i take it its legal to sell ubuntu/kubuntu CDs right?
[21:11] <somerville32> Yup
[21:11] <bmk789> i might end up doing that then, if i can get a store setup
[21:46] <bmk789> http://www.cafepress.com/altfuel/3970770


[00:47] <thomi> bzr pipelines are awesome!
[00:50] <thomi> one thing though: when I do 'lp-propose' from within a pipeline, it sets the target to something really strange. Seems like an unrelated branch on the same project....
[00:52] <thomi> ...when I specify the submit branch on the command line (to be 'lp:unity') I get this error:
[00:52] <thomi> bzr: ERROR: Parent not accessible given base "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/unity/" and relative path "../../../~anjali-team/anjali/unity/"
[00:53] <thomi> O.0
[00:59] <spiv> thomi: ah, heh, I'd guess that's a bug in bzr-pipeline
[00:59] <thomi> :( Worth filing a bug for it?
[00:59] <spiv> thomi: where it's assuming that all LP branches have URL paths like /~owner/proj/name
[01:00] <spiv> (hence the ../../.. to get to the root of LP)
[01:00] <thomi> hmmm I see
[01:00] <spiv> I think so, I imagine abentley would know how to fix it icleanly
[01:00] <thomi> ok
[01:12] <thomi> hmm, also, if I exit $editor without making any changes after doing a 'lp-propose' I get a message that says "Commit message was not edited, use anyway? ([y]es, [n]o): ". If I pick "no", It still creates the merge proposal. Is this the intended behavior?
[01:12] <thomi> I expected it to abort the MP
[01:46] <spiv> thomi: well, that behaviour sounds surprising to me, so that makes two of us!
[01:46] <spiv> thomi: so yes, please file a bug
[01:46] <thomi> ok.
[01:46] <thomi> BTW, first bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr-pipeline/+bug/983576
[01:46] <spiv> (You're welcome to file a bug even for issues you're not sure about; it doesn't take much effort to close them)
[01:49] <thomi> I guess so. Thanks for your help
[11:54] <astraljava> Hi gang, I just installed bzr 2.5.0 on Mac OS X Lion, and the sed for python mentioned in the wiki isn't needed anymore, the script already sets python2.6. Just thought I'd let you know so users won't be confused.
[11:54] <astraljava> Thanks for making it possible to hack ubuntu even on a Mac! :)
[12:37] <vila> astraljava: it's a wiki :) Give it a shot
[13:56] <Merwin_> hi
[13:59] <jelmer> hi Merwin_
[14:17] <astraljava> vila: I figured it being under canonical's domain, I wouldn't have privileges to modify. I'll give it a shot, but it doesn't seem to authenticate me.
[14:18] <vila> astraljava: even with a launchpad account ?
[14:18] <astraljava> Ahh... finally let me in.
[14:18] <vila> ha great
[14:18] <astraljava> Sorry, it just took a long while.
[14:18] <vila> no worries
[14:21] <astraljava> It's randomly rather slow. Now it just won't find that page again after logging in.
[14:58] <nDuff> Can more modern releases of bzr-svn resume where they left off when caching svn metadata is interrupted?
[14:58]  * nDuff has yet to be able to get through his 146,000-revision history without *something* causing an interruption.
[15:00] <jelmer> nDuff: yes, though older revisions should be able to, too
[15:05] <nDuff> jelmer: ...hmm; On 1.1.x, I've yet to see that happen.
[15:24] <abner> Hi there. Is there an easy way to push commits to a bzr repo/branch from a git tree?
[16:00] <nDuff> abner: see http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/foreign/bzr-on-git-projects.html and/or http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/ForeignBranches/Git
[17:40] <bj0> is there a way to revert part of a file or branch to a previous revision? (use merge somehow?)
[17:47] <jelmer> bj0: bzr revert -rREV FILE
[17:47] <jelmer> bj0: or indeed by using bzr merge -rNEWREV..OLDREV FILE
[17:57] <bj0> cool


[03:14] <Sadin> in love.... http://c9.io/
[03:14] <PennBot> Title: Cloud9 IDE | Online IDE Your code anywhere, anytime (at c9.io)
[05:27] <andrew> JonathanD: I don't think I managed to get a decent picture of the actual bears we saw.
[05:28] <andrew> JonathanD: Any plans for another geeknic++ on a weekend I can make it?
[05:28] <andrew> (Typically the third weekend of any given month is bad.)
[09:43] <rmg51> Morning
[10:09] <JonathanD> andrew: trying.
[10:09] <JonathanD> I haven't been able to gather much interest yet..
[10:25] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[10:40] <rmg51> o/
[11:00] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[11:23] <rmg51> bye JonathanD
[11:23] <rmg51> off to work
[12:03] <waltman> *YAWN*
[12:32]  * InHisName #Yawns#   Too
[13:13] <JonathanD> Installing 12.04. Wish me luck.
[13:13] <jedijf> no luck needed, just pae
[13:15] <JonathanD> My laptop caught on fire!
[13:15] <JonathanD> Not again
[13:20] <InHisName> you still own one of those FLAMING laptops from several years ago ?   You never claimed the replacement battery offered during the recall ?
[13:21] <JonathanD> install failed.
[13:22] <InHisName> well its toast now
[13:23] <JonathanD> lets try that again...
[13:23] <InHisName> didja use a fire extinguisher or just toss it out in the street till it exhausted the fire?
[13:23] <JonathanD> I spit on it.
[13:29] <JonathanD> fail #2
[13:29] <JonathanD> thats enough for this morning.
[14:10] <InHisName> so it's not really totaled into toast yet, JonathanD?
[14:10] <JonathanD> right.
[14:27] <InHisName> I got a problem with my 11.10.  When it tries the updates, every thing goes well until the end when it gives me an error.   It's pasted here: http://pastebin.com/8Haw1wk4
[14:27] <PennBot> Title: ubuntu update failed but all updated ? why? - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[14:28] <ssweeny> InHisName, line 108: gzip: stdout: No space left on device
[14:28] <ssweeny> there's your problem right there
[14:29] <InHisName> that's /boot
[14:30] <InHisName> what can I remove from /boot   that I wont be needing ?     how many older versions of kernels do I need for 11.10 ?
[14:36] <ssweeny> InHisName, if the latest kernel works for you then you can remove all the older ones
[14:37] <InHisName> How to view the boot options screen without booting ?  viewing text ok.
[14:38] <InHisName> Maybe there are older ones than in boot options
[14:39] <ssweeny> InHisName, /boot/grub/grub.cfg has the list. every line that starts with menuentry is an entry on that screen
[14:40] <InHisName> ok I'll look
[14:45] <InHisName> I got bunches of them.  about 11 diff ones.
[14:47] <InHisName> what is best way to trim out and keep last 4 or so.     rm 26.28.* etc. or some grub way ?  The rm....wouldn't fix grub
[15:03] <ssweeny> InHisName, you want to remove the kernel packages
[15:07] <ChinnoDog> sup turkey
[15:10] <ssweeny> InHisName, the easiest way to get rid of the old kernel packages is probably to use synaptic and look for the 'local or obsolete' status
[15:41] <MutantTurkey> sup
[15:42] <passstab> you feel like crap
[15:42] <MutantTurkey> yep
[15:42] <MutantTurkey> basically
[15:42] <passstab>  head colds + probably ear infection sucks
[15:42] <MutantTurkey> i hope you're not typing that all out
[15:42] <MutantTurkey> rather inefficient?
[15:42] <passstab>  terrible headache as well
[15:42] <passstab> and finals tomorrow -_-
[15:43] <passstab> how else would i do this?
[15:43] <MutantTurkey> imagine if I copied you
[15:43] <MutantTurkey> then we'd have some sort of recursion
[15:44] <passstab> you asked sup
[15:44] <passstab> i answered
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> you asked sup
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> i answered
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[15:47] <passstab> this is why boredom is important
[15:52] <MutantTurkey> yes
[15:55] <InHisName> trying to install  deb file for ubuntu-tweak, get error  -- dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ubuntu-tweak:python-lxml and gir1.2-unique-3.0 are not installed  [15:57] <passstab> ppa?
[16:02] <passstab> IDK
[16:03] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  install those packages?
[16:03] <InHisName> EvilResistance: are they really packages and not libs or something else ?
[16:04] <EvilResistance> PASTE:
[16:04] <EvilResistance> <EvilResistance> !info python-lxml precise
[16:04] <EvilResistance> <ubottu> python-lxml (source: lxml): pythonic binding for the libxml2 and libxslt libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.2-1 (precise), package size 599 kB, installed size 2000 kB
[16:04] <EvilResistance> <EvilResistance> !info gir1.2-unique-3.0 precise
[16:04] <EvilResistance> <ubottu> gir1.2-unique-3.0 (source: libunique3): GObject introspection data for the Unique library. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.2-1 (precise), package size 3 kB, installed size 67 kB
[16:04] <EvilResistance> those're packages :)
[16:04] <InHisName> so's can I use apt-get for them ?   or do I need to use a xx.deb ?
[16:04] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  and of course those are packages, if you're installing from a .deb you downloaded, then dpkg is returning that the Required: line's packages aren't installed
[16:04] <EvilResistance> APT-GET
[16:05] <EvilResistance> how many years have you been using Debian/Ubuntu again?
[16:05] <InHisName> ok, will go for it.
[16:05] <EvilResistance> (also, when you do !info [package] precise, it checks the current repos :P
[16:05] <EvilResistance> )
[16:06] <EvilResistance> (sorry if i seem overly defensive, Precise is giving me all sorts of crap)
[16:40] <InHisName> managed to get all the parts installed and run ubuntu-tweak  --> now have freed 21MB from /boot   lunch first.
[17:51] <InHisName> Ok, I now have space on /boot again.
[17:52] <InHisName> BUT, I am not booting with <IP_ADDRESS> but with <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever that last digit was.
[17:54] <InHisName> I have 3.0.011 thru 17  but none are booting only the old one is.   How to fix  all are in /boot.   I did ->sudo update-grub  before rebooting.
[18:34] <InHisName> tried running    sudo update-grub   again and rebooted     STILL shows 2.6.38-11
[19:10] <n2diy_> I'm trying to get qtel to work, but when I start it from the cli I'm getting a "no such file or directory" error. I googled the problem, and set alsa as my default sound device, but still no go, ideas?
[19:13] <InHisName> is grup v1.99 NOT same as grub2 ?
[19:13] <InHisName> s/grup/grub/
[19:19] <passstab> i believe that is correct
[19:20] <passstab> no it is the same
[19:20] <passstab> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[19:20] <PennBot> Title: Grub2 - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
[19:40] <ChinnoDog> hi ssweeny
[19:40] <ssweeny> hi ChinnoDog
[19:46] <InHisName> On bootup, I see at top:   1.99   13ubuntu3              [19:46] <InHisName> Do I have 2 boot areas.  One that boots and other that is seen by grub-install ?
[19:50] <passstab> that sounds like a reasonable hypothesis
[19:58] <InHisName> so how to have grub-install etc operate on the bootable one instead ?
[19:58] <EvilResistance> tell it where to install to?
[19:59] <EvilResistance> or change which partition has the boot flag
[20:02] <n2diy_> I'm trying to setup a voip app, and I think I may have a conflict with another app using the audio device, how can I trouble shoot this?
[20:38] <ChinnoDog> hi lamalex
[21:11] <InHisName> Now I'm booting with 3.0.0-18   but sounds stopped.
[21:12] <InHisName> used to go to system>sounds>etc to fix    how to go there in Unity ?
[21:14] <Resistance> InHisName: type in system preferences, perhaps you can find a method to get there
[21:14] <Resistance> been a while, since I've  been using KDE
[21:14] <Resistance> (or gnome-shell)O
[21:18] <InHisName> found an 'all settings'   sound in there.   Test speakers,,,,  silence
[21:28] <n2diy_> can someone respond with my nick? Haven't solved my voip issue, but maybe I have sound in xchat-gnome now?
[21:29] <Resistance> n2diy_:  BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!
[21:29] <Resistance> :P
[21:30] <n2diy_> Resistance, thanks, but no joy.
[23:57] <InHisName> If I say -- n2diy_-- does it make a sound on your computer ?
[23:59] <Resistance> i think his sound is broken
[23:59] <InHisName> So's mine, I just fixed my boot and now its busted


[01:39] <ido-> hrm. anyone around ?
[03:41] <secion81> can someone help with booting on a samsung q1 ultra?
[03:42] <secion81> Cricket... cricket...
[04:02] <rbelem> hi secion81
[04:03] <secion81> hi
[04:03] <rbelem> secion81, maybe i can help you
[04:03] <secion81> Would be grateful.
[04:03] <secion81> I am trying to get ubuntu mobile running on my samsung q1 ultra.. Problem is that when i try to boot from the usb stick i just get a comma in the top left of the screen.
[04:04] <secion81> used dd to copy the image over from my ubuntu 8.10 install.
[04:05] <secion81> Any ideas why this wont boot?
[04:05] <rbelem> secion81, maybe usb-creator could help you with this
[04:05] <persia> secion81, What blocksize did you use?
[04:06] <persia> rbelem, I don't think usb-creator works with the USB images.
[04:06] <rbelem> oh! thanks persia
[04:06] <secion81> 1024
[04:07] <persia> Yeah.  I just tried.  usb-creator can only process .iso files
[04:09] <secion81> BS=1024
[04:09] <persia> secion81, Running dd from which OS?  ido- Was saying about 12 hours ago that 512 worked better, although 1024 has always worked for me.
[04:09] <persia> Mind you, the 512 was from Windows, and the 1024 from Ubuntu.
[04:09] <secion81> ubuntu 8.10
[04:09] <secion81> I will try 512, see what happens
[04:09] <persia> Hrm.  I would have expected 1024 to work.
[04:10] <secion81> Do i have to format the drive with Gparted before hand?
[04:11] <persia> Shouldn't need to do so.
[04:11] <secion81> trying 512 now.. Will let you know..
[04:12] <secion81> Vista is on the Q1 now.. Does that make a difference?
[04:13] <persia> It shouldn't.  The Migration Wizard might run during the install, but that shouldn't be an issue.
[04:13] <secion81> hmm
[04:15] <secion81> nope, Still just get the apostrophe in the top right corner. Got the same trying to boot ubuntu 8.10 from usb
[04:16] <persia> Odd.
[04:17] <secion81> Also.. Whenever I press any key on the samsung the USb key flashes and another apostrophe shows up on the screen.
[04:17] <secion81> If I keep pressing keys the screen will eventually fill up with apostrophes and the USb key will flash rapidly.
[04:18] <persia> That's different.  Hrm.
[04:22] <secion81> Am writing image to external HD.. Will see if that works..
[04:23] <secion81> Seems to be working with the external HD
[04:24] <persia> Maybe just an issue with that key?
[04:24] <secion81> must be.. Not sure what brand it is but says 2G attache.. Time to buy a new key:)
[04:24] <persia> I'd recommend running dd to blank the USB flash from /dev/zero, and reformat it.  Sounds like the boot sector is a bit funny.
[04:25] <persia> No, as long as you can still read the key, it works : probably just needs a reset.
[04:25] <secion81> well
[04:26] <secion81> I am now stuck at checking device /dev/sda.. b.. c.. d.. for installation source.
[04:26] <secion81> sleeps for 5 seconds then repeats.
[04:26] <secion81> any info on this?
[04:26] <persia> Hrm?  It should be a live session.  From where did you get the image?
[04:27] <persia> It sounds like you have the 8.04 image, which has a few issues, amoung which that it reformats the target device without warning.
[04:27] <secion81> Do you have a link to the correct image?
[04:27] <persia> In the /topic
[04:28] <secion81> I downloaded this from the ubuntu site but maybe the wrong one?
[04:28] <persia> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/release/ubuntu-8.10-umpc-i386.img
[04:28] <persia> Well, not wrong, so much as old.
[04:30] <secion81> k
[04:30] <secion81> is this based on 8.10? with 3g support?
[04:30] <persia> Yep.
[04:31] <secion81> duhh, says 8.10 in the download link
[04:31] <persia> Well, actually, not so much based on, but part of.
[04:31] <secion81> got ya
[04:39] <secion81> well.. Now it just says "Boot Error"
[04:40] <persia> That would be a corrupted boot sector.
[04:42] <secion81> k.. Sorry for the newbieness here but how do i fix that?
[04:42] <persia> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX for a while.
[04:43] <persia> Then, fdisk your drive and create a valid partition table.
[04:43] <persia> Then overwrite that with a new dd.
[04:43] <persia> I don't quite understand why this works, but it has worked for me a couple times.
[04:44] <rbelem> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=2
[04:44] <persia> rbelem, count=2 is enough?
[04:45] <rbelem> persia, bs=512 will write zeros only to the boot sector
[04:45] <secion81> fdisk?
[04:48] <rbelem> secion81, cfdisk is easier
[04:48] <secion81> i have fdisk running in cli? What do i se tthe cylinders to?
[04:49] <persia> Or at least has a nicer interface.
[04:49] <secion81> keepps telling me i have to set cylinders
[04:49] <rbelem> :-)
[04:50] <persia> Doesn't really matter.  You'll be overwriting it with the next dd anyway.  I'd recommend going for the largest.  Also, be sure that you're working on the usb drive.
[04:58] <secion81> k, seems to be working now. cool.
[05:02] <rbelem> :-)
[05:20] <secion81> thanks for the help bro. works good but still seems to need development.
[05:21] <secion81> would like to see grab and drag in the pdf viewer
[05:27] <persia> There's actually a lot of places it would be nice to have grab&drag : it mostly needs a means by which to have this be a runtime decision, rather than a compile-time decision, as I understand things.
[05:27] <persia> The reason being that most people don't want grab&drag on the desktop.
[05:32] <mbuf> my moblin image was created in July 2008; what is the best way to update it? cat /etc/apt/sources.list shows "deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports gutsy main restricted universe multiverse"
[05:32] <persia> mbuf, Could you pastebin /etc/fstab?
[05:32] <mbuf> persia: "#UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM"
[05:33] <persia> Oh my.  I'd recommend a reinstall from http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img
[05:34] <mbuf> persia: so, shall i remove the moblin-image-creator directory?
[05:34] <persia> theoretically you could change "gutsy" to "hardy", run do-release-upgrade, and then change "hardy" to "intrepid" and do it again, but I've no idea how your filesystems are laid out, and this may run out of space.
[05:35] <mbuf> persia: yeah
[05:35] <persia> Yeah.  I'd recommend removing that directory, and purging that tool from your system.
[05:36] <mbuf> persia: where can i find instructions on installing and setting .img?
[05:36] <persia> mbuf, What are you trying to accomplish?  Just an install on your device?
[05:37] <mbuf> persia: see if i can work on some bug-fixing?
[05:37] <mbuf> persia: yes, just install on laptop
[05:37] <mbuf> persia: i don't have any device with me;
[05:37] <persia> Does your laptop support kvm?
[05:38] <mbuf> persia: sorry, and how is that supposed to work?
[05:39] <mbuf> persia: kvm is a hardware switch?
[05:40] <persia> It's a virtual machine environment.  apt-cache show kvm
[05:42] <persia> I can't in good conscience recommend installing Ubuntu MID on a laptop, as the environment is fairly limited when not on a target device, but you can run it in a virtual machine, which is probably best if you want to look at bugfixing.
[05:43] <mbuf> persia: will do
[05:44] <mbuf> persia: i get kvm_interl module not loaded failed!
[05:44] <mbuf> *kvm_intel
[05:50] <persia> What happens if you run modprobe kvm_intel ?
[05:52] <mbuf> persia: FATAL: Module kvm_intel not found; using lenny/sid with 2.6.18-5-686
[05:52] <persia> Hrm.  I thought lenny had 2.6.26.  I'm not sure how to advise you.
[05:53] <mbuf> persia: ok; i will look at documentation
[05:53] <mbuf> persia: thanks for your time
[05:53] <persia> You might try the kvm-source package with module-assistant.  I'm not sure if it works unless you update your kernel, but it may.
[05:54] <mbuf> persia: ok
[06:06] <secion8> i keep seeing a ribbon like interface? how do i ge tthis with the UMPC version?
[06:06] <secion8> like here http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/02/here-comes-ubun.html
[06:06] <persia> Hrm?  Which do you mean?
[06:07] <persia> Oh, I've never actually seen that image on a running device : I've always suspected it to be an artist's rendition.
[06:07] <secion8> ohh. i see.
[06:08] <persia> You might be able to do something like that with the appropriate flash movie and mobile-basic-flash on the MID image, although mobile-basic-flash isn't used by default anymore, so you'd probably need to do some hacking.
[06:08] <secion8> Also see it on the actual ubuntu site. Would be an awesome interface. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
[06:09] <persia> That page has never been accurate, really.
[06:10] <persia> Personally, having a device with an interface like that, I'll say that I find it a lot easier just to pick what I need from a grid launcher or a menu than from that sort of selector.
[06:11] <persia> Might be interesting as an alt-tab implementation though.
[06:13] <mbuf> persia: i get 2.6.18-5-686 build errors, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory; i can try to use a newer kernel
[06:13] <secion8> I like the thought of a grid of squares that i can put my most used apps on. Such as shortcuts to web pages or documents.
[06:13] <secion8> yes, Would also be interesting as an app switcher.
[06:13] <persia> mbuf, That's probably best.  I suspect that the maintainer has tested most recently with the current lenny kernel.
[06:14] <persia> secion8, A number of people like the idea.  I have a couple devices that work like that, and I find I use the menu to open applications more than the launcher, but that might just be me (I tend to have a few things open).
[06:16] <ian_brasil> this is the original clutter from moblin
[06:16] <ian_brasil> there is some package from moblin with this IIRC
[06:18] <persia> Isn't it mobile-basic-flash, just with different default settings than the current package has?
[06:19] <ian_brasil> no, it is moblin-clutter-home
[06:19] <ian_brasil> You can browse the source from:
[06:19] <ian_brasil> http://git.moblin.org/repos/projects/moblin-clutter-home.git/
[06:19] <ian_brasil> You can checkout the code via:
[06:19] <ian_brasil> git clone git://git.moblin.org/projects/moblin-clutter-home
[06:19] <ian_brasil> or at least you used to be able to
[06:19] <persia> Ah.  That explains why I've not seen it : that package doesn't appear to be in the repos.
[06:20] <ian_brasil> they have changed things around abit on moblin
[06:20] <rbelem> persia, it is in deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu hardy main
[06:21] <ian_brasil> FWIW i really liked this interface too
[06:21] <persia> rbelem, I try not to look there :)
[06:21] <rbelem> :-D
[06:21] <persia> ian_brasil, You think it ought get pulled into the repos for Jaunty?  Do you know if anyone has ported to newer clutter?
[06:21] <StevenK> No, it isn't ported
[06:21] <ian_brasil> i am working a.t.m with python clutter 0.8 which was released last week
[06:22] <persia> I think james_w was working to try to get that into intrepid, but it was just too late.  I expect it to be in Jaunty.
[06:29] <ian_brasil> it has apparently got webkit python bindings too<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but that is not in 0.8 yet
[06:31] <rbelem> i'm leaving
[06:31] <rbelem> g'night
[06:35] <ian_brasil> it is probably morning for most here i think!
[08:03] <mbuf> persia: installed kvm, kvm-sources, loaded kvm-intel on 2.6.26-1-686!
[08:04] <persia> mbuf, Cool.  Now you should be able to run the ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img in KVM, and experiment with it.
[08:05] <mbuf> persia: the URL is incorrect? http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img
[08:07]  * mbuf downloads ubuntu-8.10-rc-mid-lpia.img
[08:08] <persia> Yeah, apparently the URL is incorrect.
[08:08] <persia> ogra?
[08:08] <persia> Let me dig up a different working URL.
[08:08] <mbuf> persia: ok
[08:08] <persia> You don't want the RC image.
[08:08] <mbuf> ohh!
[08:13] <mbuf> persia: this one? http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases/intrepid/ubuntu-8.10-mid-lpia.img
[08:13] <persia> Perhaps not surprisingly, the image servers seem to be a little loaded.
[08:13] <persia> That ought do just fine.
[08:13] <mbuf> persia: thanks!
[08:13] <persia> No, thank you for finding one faster than I could :)
[08:14] <mbuf> persia: :) the Ubuntu kernel and mobile team are different? or they just feed in updates to the mobile team?
[08:15] <mbuf> persia: most of the mobile team bugs are related to user applications
[08:15] <persia> The Mobile team and Kernel team are different.  There might be a couple people on both teams though.
[08:15] <mbuf> persia: ok
[08:16] <persia> Yeah.  The Mobile team mostly takes care of the set of packages that are in the default set for the mobile flavours.
[08:17] <persia> Some of this is collaborative : for example most of the applications in the UMPC image are the same as in the Desktop image, so the Mobile team works closely with the Desktop team to make sure these applications work in both contexts.
[08:18] <persia> Similarly, the Mobile team tends to have more people with target hardware for mobile applications, so there is collaboration ebtween the Mobile team and the Kernel team to make sure the kernel supports the hardware in target devices.
[08:18] <mbuf> persia: i see
[08:25] <mbuf> persia: where can I get such hardware for testing? or can use a PC?
[08:28] <persia> mbuf, You can use a PC, but it's such a low-DPI device, that everything will probably look funny.
[08:28] <persia> You also want a touchscreen.
[08:29] <persia> Depending on where you live, you may be able to purchase target hardware at a local shop, or over the internet.
[08:29] <persia> You'd be looking ideally for something with a 4-6" screen and 1024x600 resolution with an Intel Atom processor.
[08:29] <mbuf> persia: ok, i will get one
[08:30] <persia> I have a Sharp D4 for this.  A number of people have either the Aigo MID, or something similar based off the "jax10" platform.
[08:30] <mbuf> persia: i see
[08:31] <persia> You can do some testing with larger UMPCs, but they tend to be in the 150-200 DPI range, and you ideally want something in the 200-250 DPI range.
[08:31] <persia> (by comparison, a desktop monitor is usually in the 80-100 DPI range)
[08:32] <mbuf> i see
[09:30] <Bert_2> Hi, if I install the ubuntu-mid package on intrepid the user interface doesn't fill with icons and gnome splash stays forever, is this a known bug or am I going something wrong ?
[09:30] <Bert_2> *doing
[09:31] <persia> It's a known issue.  I'm not sure I'd call it a bug, so much as a side effect of some choices made in the past that haven't yet been cleaned up.
[09:31] <Bert_2> persia: is there a way for me to fix it or make it work ?
[09:31] <persia> Essentially, the MID stuff doesn't quite work right for anything other than lpia, and the Desktop or UMPC stuff doesn't quite work on lpia.
[09:32] <Bert_2> I see
[09:32] <persia> Well, you're welcome to help try to fix it for Jaunty, but your best bet is to purge ubuntu-mid-default-setttings and ubuntu-mid from your current installation.
[09:32] <persia> With luck, that ought take care of most of the issues, and you will be able to boot cleanly again.
[09:33] <Bert_2> well, I really just want the nice interface with the row thing, is it possible for me to get that part wokring ?
[09:33] <persia> kourou only works well in a hildon-desktop context.
[09:33] <persia> You might be able to get netbook-launcher working though.
[09:36] <Bert_2> and those packages, are they more stable in hardy or in intrepid ?
[09:37] <Bert_2> persia: or doesn't it matter at all ?
[09:38] <persia> That's hard to say.  The intrepid packages are newer, and probably have a few more bugs fixed.
[09:39] <persia> In the sense of being unchanging, I'd say hardy and intrepid are about the same.
[09:39] <persia> In the sense of not making your system crash, I just don't know.
[09:39] <Bert_2> well, I'm now using the packages that came with intrepid by default, is there a more reliable or more stable ppa or is this it ?
[09:40] <persia> Any ppa is likely less stable and less reliable than what is in intrepid.
[09:40] <Bert_2> persia: does your ppa have a working UI when it is installed on a basic intrepid ?
[09:41] <persia> I don't think there are any packages in my ppa.
[09:41] <Bert_2> or another ppa ?
[09:41] <persia> Not to my knowledge.
[09:42] <Bert_2> too bad :(
[09:42] <Bert_2> but thx for your help
[09:42] <Bert_2> I will have to find another way to make a 5-year old kid interface then
[09:42] <Bert_2> any suggestions ?
[09:42] <persia> Try the netbook-launcher package.
[09:43] <Bert_2> is it in intrepid (cause it's no in hardy) ?
[09:43] <persia> Yes.
[09:43] <Bert_2> okey, I'm going to reinstall intrepid and try it out
[09:43] <Bert_2> thx
[11:46] <crevette> hi there
[12:22] <pururu> so in beta i was able to use wi-fi on aspire one if i disable foss driver in drivers applet (OS probably switched to another driver automatically), but in release now both drivers dosnt work
[12:23] <ogra> what chipset is that ?
[12:26] <pururu> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[12:26] <pururu> this is probably wrong answer
[12:26] <pururu> but this is what lspci say
[12:31] <Christian> Hi @all
[12:31] <Christian> Is it possible to install MID in a normal ubuntu installation? Because, I think its the best sollution to use my old 7" Touchscreen.
[12:32] <ogra> pururu, try installing linux-backport-modules ...
[12:32] <ian_brasil> ogra: that does not work
[12:33] <persia> Christian, You just want the appropriate xserver-xorg-input-${driver}
[12:33] <ogra> ian_brasil, sure ? the ath5k in there should work
[12:33] <persia> ian_brasil, It works for some models, and not for other models.  Unfortunately, the PCI ID is the same for things that work and things that don't. :(
[12:34] <ogra> well, its like that aith the ath5k from 2.6.27 ... linux-backport-modules has the ath5k driver from 2.6.28
[12:34] <ogra> s/aith/with/
[12:34] <persia> I thought some models also didn't work with 2.6.28
[12:34] <ogra> might be
[12:34] <persia> (just a different set)
[12:34] <ogra> but afaik most of the AR242x ones should
[12:35] <ian_brasil> it has been a bit on/off recently ...a.t.m wireless is off
[12:35] <ogra> its intresting though that madwifi didnt catch it
[12:35] <ogra> pururu, can you check that linux-restricted-modules is installed ?
[12:36] <ian_brasil> iam using the ath5k_pci driver
[12:36] <ogra> the one from lbm ?
[12:37] <pururu> i'm still doing apt-get update
[12:38] <ogra> pururu, dpkg -l |grep linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[12:38] <ogra> you can run that in parallel
[12:38] <pururu> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-7-generic 2.6.27-7.12                           Non-free Linux kernel modules for version 2.
[12:39] <ogra> madwifi should actually pick it up, but might have some connection probs with certain encryption mechanisms
[12:39] <ogra> weird
[12:46] <lool> ian_brasil: ath5k_pci sounds seriously confused
[12:46] <lool> ian_brasil: It's either madwifi and ath_pci or ath5k and ath5k :)
[12:46] <pururu> linux-backport-modules-intrepid ? this one ? i found many
[12:47] <lool> ian_brasil: Either it works out of the box with default driver (madwifi) or you should try installing linux-backport-modules and it should be picked up by ath5k instead (do reboot though)
[12:47] <lool> pururu: What's your image?
[12:47] <pururu> E: Couldn't find package linux-backport-modules
[12:47] <lool> pururu: Either linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic for the umpc image
[12:48] <pururu> yeah umpc
[12:48] <lool> pururu: Or hmm another name on lpia which I'm too lazy to check right now
[12:50] <ian_brasil> lool: i have the backports installed
[12:51] <ian_brasil> lshw -C network shows that the network is disabled
[12:51] <ogra> pururu, its on eh image btw ... in the /debs dir
[12:51] <ogra> *the
[12:51] <ian_brasil> maybe i should purge backports
[12:51] <pururu> reboot
[12:52] <lool> ian_brasil: Did you reboot?  which drivers get loaded on boot?  is this umpc or mid?
[12:53] <ian_brasil> it is umpc ..yes i rebooted
[12:53] <ian_brasil> how can i find which drivers get loaded at boot?
[12:54] <ogra> lsmod usually shows them in load order
[12:54] <ogra> earliest at the bottom
[12:54] <pururu> yeah wi-fi now enabled and show wi-fi points available
[12:54] <ogra> try to connect :)
[12:55] <ian_brasil> ath5k
[12:55] <pururu> i dont have public points here... i found 3 password protected... so cant test connection
[12:56] <ogra> ah, you dont have your own then ... well, if connecting doesnt work, please tell us if you can :)
[12:56] <ogra> it should though
[12:58] <pururu> okey
[12:58] <pururu> also any way to install new 2.5.0 intel driver ?
[12:58] <pururu> i hope openarena will be faster
[13:10] <lool> ian_brasil: lsmod
[13:15] <ian_brasil> ath5k is loaded
[13:16] <ian_brasil> for lbm_cw_mac80211 and lbm_cw_cfg80211
[13:16] <ogra> is your kernel up to date ? teh broken ath5k was only disabled in the last upload
[13:17] <ogra> but lbm_cw_* looks fine
[13:17] <ian_brasil> 2.26.27-7-generic
[13:17] <ogra> well, the lbm one should override/replace it anyway
[13:22] <ian_brasil> dmesg gives ath5k gain calibration timeout can't reset hardware -11
[13:24] <ian_brasil> as well as lots of unknown symbols _ath_hal_attach _ath_hal_getwitelessmodes
[13:24] <ian_brasil> and so on
[13:24] <ogra> try removing linux-restricted-modules
[13:24] <ian_brasil> i did that
[13:25] <ian_brasil> ah no i didnt ..i will try that now
[13:34] <ian_brasil> the unknown symbols errors have gone now but the gain calibration timeout remains
[13:36] <ogra> well, last resort, talk to rtg in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:36] <ian_brasil> ogra: ok thanks
[13:37] <pururu> i'm doing nothing special but my screen flickers periodically
[13:37] <ogra> he maintains the ath drivers (but isnt likely to be around on a sunday)
[13:38] <lool> ian_brasil: So you're using lbm's ath5k; what's you wifi setup?
[13:38] <lool> ian_brasil: open, wep, wpa, wpa2...?
[13:38] <pururu> and i see (EE) intel(0): underrun on pipe A!  errors in end of xorg log... dunno if it related to flickering
[13:39] <lool> pururu: That's pretty bad
[13:39] <pururu> why
[13:39] <pururu> ?
[13:39] <lool> pururu: It sounds like your intel driver isn't keeping with the refresh rate
[13:39] <lool> Like, too slow
[13:39] <lool> Yes, it's likely the cause of flickering
[13:40] <lool> Now, what are you trying to draw on your screen?
[13:40] <pururu> what you mean? 1680x1050@60 hz external display is too much for this laptop ?
[13:40] <lool> It could be
[13:40] <lool> Depends; I don't know what triggers that
[13:40] <ian_brasil> wep
[13:40] <ogra> does the flicker stop if you lower it ?
[13:41] <pururu> ogra: lower what?
[13:41] <lool> ian_brasil: Ok; I tested with wpa on some atheros chipsets, and it works for me; I suggest you file a bug with lspci -vvnn, dmesg output and stating that you're using lbm's ath5k with wep
[13:41] <ogra> pururu, the resolution
[13:41] <lool> ian_brasil: But your chip might not work; either at all, or in this mode, dunno
[13:41] <lool> ian_brasil: Perhaps it's a channel or killswitch issue too
[13:41] <pururu> ogra: i'll test it
[13:42] <lool> ian_brasil: (like authorized channels not set properly)
[13:42] <ian_brasil> lool: ok i will...it was working on and off during rc updates
[13:42] <lool> pururu: If your system is idle in terms of CPU usage, it's likely a driver bug though
[13:43]  * ogra hasnt heard about such an issue with the intel driver we ship though
[13:43] <lool> first time for me as well
[13:43] <lool> but on slow hw with high res external display it's not unlikely
[13:43] <ogra> yeah
[13:44] <lool> The jax10 has this 800 MHz atom CPU for instance; that's quite slow for nowadays standards, and I suspect the intel driver enables external res depending on available memory and bandwidth, not cpu speed
[13:44] <pururu> lool: actually it maybe totem player playing music in background cause to flicker whole screen... now i moved it to 2nd workspace and flickering stopped...
[13:45] <lool> pururu: That sounds like an explanation
[13:45] <ogra> do you run any visualization plugin ?
[13:45] <lool> Not enough bandwidth for full screen vis I'd guess
[13:45] <pururu> no... its just happened again
[13:45] <pururu> its vga connection (analog) but bandwidth is for digital connection, am i right ?
[13:45] <pururu> no viz plugins
[13:46] <pururu> and this is darkroom theme and special effects disabled
[13:46] <pururu> yes i see more (EE) intel(0): underrun on pipe A! errors in log
[13:47] <pururu> and CPU load is near 30% every core... so not 100%
[13:47] <pururu> (intel atom cpu)
[13:49] <lool> pururu: So CPU is still quite loaded
[13:49] <pururu> yes, by gnome system monitor itself
[13:49] <lool> I'd try lowering the res as ogra suggested
[13:49] <pururu> ok
[13:51] <pururu> no, it flicker again with 1024x768 res
[13:52] <ogra> and thats with the default driver ?
[13:53] <pururu> you mean intel graphics driver? i'm not touched graphics drivers
[13:55] <pururu> i still think this caused by totem... i cant remember flickering before i run totem... and i closed it now... and no flickering
[13:56] <pururu> and visual plugin is disabled in options
[13:57] <pururu> effects i mean
[13:58] <pururu> yeah no flickering since i closed totem
[16:18] <hossi> is ubuntu mobile free runnner (aka openmoko)?
[17:50] <lool> hossi: no
[17:56] <hossi> :/
[18:47] <playya__> hossi, you want to have ubuntu on your freerunnner?
[19:03] <hossi> playya__: yes!
[19:03] <playya__> me too. maybe i start to write some openembedded recipes for ubuntu-mid
[19:04] <hossi> playya__: would be awesome
[19:05] <playya__> i don't know where to start: n800 or freerunner
[19:05] <hossi> freerunner
[19:06] <playya__> hehe
[19:06] <playya__> but freerunner needs some more porting
[19:07] <playya__> i.e.: you have a 480x640 screen
[19:08] <hossi> yes
[19:12] <playya__> best thing which could happen: x-compile ubuntu-eee for n800
[22:05] <secion8> Hi everyone..
[22:06] <secion8> Has anyone here hacked the bluez BT wizard to allow or adjust the pincode to default to 0000