[00:37] <eduantrax> olá
[00:51] <nell> Hey guys I am just wondering this process looks suspicious to me
[00:51] <nell> 1648 nobody     20   0 12816  1036   632 S  0.0  0.0  0:03.01 /usr/sbin/tcpspy -U nobody -G nogroup -f /etc/tcpspy.rules
[00:52] <nell> what the heck is going on?
[00:53] <calwig> how does one enable the cube in kubuntu?
[00:55] <calwig> got it
[00:59] <mandoguit> nell:   tcpspy is available through repo's so would imagine it's legit    aptitude search tcpspy
[00:59] <mandoguit> p   tcpspy                               - Incoming and Outgoing TCP/IP connections logge
[00:59] <mandoguit> tcpspy:i386 - Incoming and Outgoing TCP/IP connections logge
[00:59] <mandoguit> hmm.....that could have been formatted a bit better  :P
[05:23] <nexus`> hey guys
[05:23] <nexus`> i just tried to install kubuntu
[05:24] <nexus`> but apparently it doesnt support bluetooth by default
[05:24] <nexus`> i dont have a non bluetooth keyboard is there anyway i can install this?
[05:29] <valorie> hmmm, I thought bluetooth worked out of the box
[05:29] <valorie> nexus`: do you have a mouse?
[05:30] <nexus`> yea valorie
[05:30] <nexus`> but i got to the part where it was trying to force me to type in a name for the computer
[05:30] <valorie> I use a laptop, so it's hard to imagine having no keyboard!
[05:30] <nexus`> couldnt get passed it
[05:30] <valorie> gads
[05:31] <nexus`> is there a way i can get into CLI on installation?
[05:31] <nexus`> sudo apt-get install bluetooth bluez-utils bluez-gnome
[05:31] <nexus`> can use that then
[05:31] <valorie> sure, but it's alt-control f2
[05:31] <valorie> from the keyboard
[05:32] <valorie> I wonder if there is an on screen keyboard by default
[05:33] <nexus`> dunno
[05:33] <valorie> there is, but how to get it onscreen
[05:33] <valorie> it's called 'virtual'
[05:34] <valorie> I used alt+f2
[05:35] <valorie> didn't seem to work well with my touchpad though
[08:08] <qianlong> hello everyone
[08:08] <lordievader> Hey qianlong, how are you?
[08:38] <n8w> hey
[08:39] <n8w> i have lately been experiencing random reboots, whats the place to start trableshootin? dmesg? well i dont rly know what to look for...
[08:40] <valorie> by random reboots, do you mean your machine restarts itself?
[08:40] <valorie> n8w: ^^
[08:40] <PrincessLuna> Hi, how can I right click in KDE with a touchscreen. Holding down the finger doesn't work like in Windows 8 and Android.
[08:40] <valorie> I've never heard of that
[08:40] <lordievader> n8w: Syslog and dmesg are a good place to start, yes.
[08:43] <BronySXiYL> Hello.
[08:45] <BronySXiYL> I have a Digitazz wireless dongle with Ralink RT5370 stuff, but linux can't use it, and the only driver I found was a perl script, that has an error in it, what should I do?
[08:46] <BronySXiYL> ...
[08:47] <n8w> valorie, ye...
[08:48] <n8w> lordievader, yes thx...i have found something in syslog...but its strange
[08:48] <lordievader> n8w: Does it happen on a specific time?
[08:48] <n8w> lordievader, nope...this one happened after 347 hours of uptime
[08:49] <PrincessLuna> Any suggestions on how to right click with a touchscreen?
[08:49] <n8w> lordievader, its stilla random reboot...see, the device im talking about is IoT gateway...so i need to make sure that this doesnt happen again
[08:51] <lordievader> n8w: IoT something internet related, I take. Anyhow what does the syslog say? Can you pastebin it?
[08:51] <lordievader> !pastebin | n8w
[08:52] <n8w> lordievader, i have also got remote logging(cpu usage,cpu temp etc), so i can see the exact time when the machine wen down
[08:52] <BronySXiYL> ...
[08:52] <lordievader> PrincessLuna: Touchscreen, plasma-active?
[08:52] <BronySXiYL> I am calm.
[08:52] <n8w> lordievader, the machine went down at 6:33:17 this morning and the first entry in syslog is : Mar 12 06:34:17 localhost syslogd (GNU inetutils 1.5): restart
[08:53] <n8w> lordievader, nothin before that....
[08:53] <n8w> lordievader, i mean, yes there r entries, but from fabruary:/
[08:53] <PrincessLuna> lordievader: Would that right click?
[08:54] <PrincessLuna> lordievader: I haven't tried plasma-active yet and this computer has a keyboard, touch pad and pointing stick as well. It can be used as a tablet too.
[08:54] <lordievader> PrincessLuna: No I'm just asking, since there is a Plasma-active channel here on freenode (#active). If it is plasma-active that you are running, you might ask there.
[08:55] <BronySXiYL> ...
[08:55] <lordievader> PrincessLuna: Ah, if it is a pc then you are probaly not runnign plasma-active.
[08:55] <lordievader> PrincessLuna: Plasma-active is tablet stuff.
[08:56] <timblechmann> hi, testing 13.04 on one of my machines, i cannot log into kde anymore.
[08:56] <lordievader> n8w: Syslogd should be just the syslog daemon, this should not reboot your system. However, if it fails to restart you loose your syslogging... it might be related to your problem.
[08:56] <PrincessLuna> lordievader: I know but you can install plasma active on it and theoretically it should work.
[08:57] <timblechmann> kdm.log shows me: http://pastie.org/private/juaksgr8tulwh0lhbpg6a ... it seems that it cannot connect to dbus
[08:57] <timblechmann> any idea how to resolve it?
[08:57] <n8w> lordievader, im not saying that syslogd has caused the shutdown...but its weird that there is nothin before the actual reboot...
[08:57] <BronySXiYL> ...
[08:58] <n8w> lordievader, i mean, no entries indicating that smth is about to happen
[08:58] <lordievader> n8w: That is why I said it, syslog might fail. What happens after that is not logged anymore.
[08:59] <lordievader> !patience | BronySXiYL
[08:59] <BronySXiYL> I am patient, and the forums don;t help.
[08:59] <n8w> lordievader, the reboor happened before the syslog went down
[09:00] <BronySXiYL> The only thing I was doing was saying "..." every now and then.
[09:00] <Mamarok> BronySXiYL: which is unnecessary and only creates noise
[09:01] <BronySXiYL> Sorry, I don't know everything.
[09:01] <lordievader> n8w: Are you monitoring temperatures? Mainly CPU and HDDs?
[09:01] <n8w> lordievader, yes cpu temp and motherboard temp as well
[09:02] <Mamarok> BronySXiYL: I can't help with your dongle, sorry
[09:02] <BronySXiYL> No? :(
[09:03] <lordievader> n8w: Ok, what are they, if I may ask?
[09:03] <Mamarok> well, it's not very common, and it has nothing to do with Kubuntu, it is a general linux problem
[09:04] <BronySXiYL> Ah.
[09:04] <Mamarok> BronySXiYL: so you better ask in a more specific channel, might just be that the hardware just doesn't work in Linux, or contact the script author
[09:05] <BronySXiYL> Okay.
[09:05] <palasso> I've searched for the specific hardware and it seems to be working for others
[09:21] <Guest91497> buon giorno
[09:32] <n8w> lordievader, sry for bein late...
[09:33] <n8w> lordievader, all temps r ok...
[09:35] <lordievader> n8w: Hmm that is annoying, somewhere it would be great if that would be the source of the problem... Does the dmesg give something usefull?
[09:35] <lordievader> Bit more difficult to search through...
[09:36] <n8w> lordievader, the same as the other logs...there is a gap and the first entry is right after the reboot
[09:37] <lordievader> n8w: Harddrive failure? I'm now just thinking of random things.
[09:38] <n8w> lordievader, ye well...my favorite candidate is the RAM
[09:38] <n8w> lordievader, do u think that bein low on mem could cause the system to reboot?
[09:38] <lordievader> n8w: Did you test the both of them?
[09:38] <n8w> lordievader, there is a sdcard...so no regular hdd
[09:39] <lordievader> n8w: Theoratically there is a chance, if the OOM killer kicks in and kills init (it shouldn't do that) well than things will go wrong...
[09:39] <lordievader> n8w: Or there is a script that runs a process and after the process has finished reboots, OOM killer kills the process, script reboots the pc... Again just thinking of things.
[09:40] <n8w> lordievader, i have started remotely monitoring free mem today...so lets see...
[09:41] <n8w> lordievader, ye it sounds as a possibility...
[09:41] <lordievader> n8w: You do not have the option of testing the ram (and hdd)?
[09:41] <n8w> lordievader, im reviewin the syslog.conf file now...
[10:55] <Novus> anyone around?
[10:55] <SudoSudoSudoSu> Me.
[10:56] <Novus> you know about the development of kubuntu?
[10:56] <lordievader> Novus: Many are idleing, just ask your question, see !ask for details.
[10:57] <Novus> I'm trying to figure out why for years I have had problems installing Ubuntu and have nothing but issues with it, yet I install Kubuntu and it works fine everytime 100% out of the box?
[10:58] <Novus> you all have your own kernal or something? I mean how closely do you two develop together is at all?
[10:58] <Novus> I'm out of ideas as to why that won't install and frankly I given up on them as I actually think Kubuntu is better anyway
[10:58] <Novus> but I would love to know why it don't work
[10:58] <lordievader> Novus: Because Kubuntu is freaking awesome? We use the same kernel as Ubuntu does.
[10:59] <Novus> KDE is awesome!
[10:59] <lordievader> Novus: :D
[10:59] <Novus> please for the love of god don't install that unholy of a program Unity in Kubuntu
[11:00] <Novus> between that an Gnome,.. they can both kiss my @**
[11:00] <Riddell> thanks Novus
[11:01] <Novus> tho I haven't figured out how to get my wobbly windows on tho, lol
[11:01] <Riddell> right click on a window border -> window manager settings
[11:02] <Novus> do i need to install compitz?
[11:02] <lordievader> Nope we have Kwin ;)
[11:03] <Novus> aw sweeeet
[11:03] <lordievader> Kwin is much better than Compiz (keep in mind I'm biased)
[11:03] <Novus> I am a fan of what works :)
[11:03] <Novus> gimmie one sec
[11:03] <Novus> I am about to take a shit on my ubuntu CD
[11:03] <Novus> and post it in the #ubuntu channel
[11:04] <Novus> i do have a few more questions when I get back tho
[11:04] <Novus> first big one is I am looking for a game engine that works with linux
[11:05] <Novus> i use unity3d now
[11:05] <lordievader> Novus: No need to bash Ubuntu, still without Ubuntu, Kubuntu wouldn't be.
[11:22] <PrincessLuna> How can I right click with a touchscreen?
[11:23] <Novus> 2 fingers?
[11:24] <PrincessLuna> Novus: Does not work. In Windows 8 and android its long press
[11:27] <Novus> ah good to know
[11:28] <Novus> holy shit,.. something funyn just happend
[11:29] <Novus> So,.. I was workign for this company and my boss was a complete idoit and highers idoits....
[11:29] <Novus> I should mention because of this I no longer work there
[11:30] <Novus> I was written up in a matter of weekes cause I called someone "GoofY"
[11:30] <Novus> Anyway,.. the funny part is
[11:30] <Tm_T> Novus: wrong channel
[11:30] <Novus> the alarm company just called me and wanted to know if I wanted to "stop the police" from going to an alarm situation at the office
[11:31] <Novus> offchat?
[11:31] <palasso> Novus, this channel is for support on Kubuntu. For off-topic discussions you can use #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:31] <Novus> ;)
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:47] <roland> does anyone have a problem where, resizing konsole window crashes KDE? (12.10 with latest updates)
[12:01] <roland> it seems it's a known problem... related to videocard driver
[12:06] <nexus`> anyone have a clue why i cant install kubuntu on vmware
[12:06] <nexus`> i can install any other OS
[12:06] <nexus`> even ubuntu
[12:06] <nexus`> but kubuntu is a no go
[12:07] <lordievader> nexus`: Could you elaborate why it doesn't install? What kind of errors do you get?
[12:07] <nexus`> i just cant see anything
[12:07] <nexus`> no GUI or CLI
[12:07] <nexus`> i guess i can install ubuntu and do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:15] <murthy> hello everyone
[12:18] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[12:25] <Artakha> i'm getting te same problem here
[12:25] <Artakha> trying to install kubuntu.. first with an usb drive i'm getting boot errors
[12:25] <Artakha> trying with qemu i'm getting a black screen with a cursor
[12:26] <lordievader> nexus`: Can't you see anything when booting the live-cd? Or after you've installed it?
[12:26] <Artakha> i guess i'll try the ubuntu approach too
[12:26] <nexus`> booting the livecd lordievader
[12:26] <nexus`> i see the um
[12:26] <nexus`> waiting screen
[12:26] <nexus`> where it says kubuntu
[12:26] <nexus`> then has the dots under neath
[12:26] <FloodBotK1> nexus`: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:27] <nexus`> then after a few seconds it goes blank
[12:27] <Artakha> yeah i see that too
[12:27] <nexus`> pitch black
[12:27] <Artakha> i see a cursor
[12:27] <Artakha> but otherwise just black
[12:27] <nexus`> yea me too Artakha
[12:27] <nexus`> the kubuntu cursor
[12:27] <nexus`> are u on a VM too?
[12:27] <Artakha> qemu
[12:27] <nexus`> qemu?
[12:27] <lordievader> nexus`: Can you by any change go to a tty?
[12:27] <Artakha> qemu's a vm
[12:27] <nexus`> nope lordievader
[12:27] <Artakha> i'm outright getting boot errors if i try to just boot it
[12:28] <nexus`> i get nothing but a blank screen and a cursor
[12:28] <nexus`> maybe 12.10 doesnt work with VM's
[12:28] <nexus`> since Artakha is getting the same problem
[12:28] <lordievader> nexus`: It should (or at least I think so), not being able to access the tty, is that due to limitation of vmware or Kubuntu itself?
[12:29] <nexus`> kubuntu
[12:29] <nexus`> i cant do anything with it
[12:30] <nexus`> anyway Artakha installing ubuntu and doing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop works
[12:30] <Artakha> alright i'll go for that then
[12:30] <nexus`> just log out and select kde
[12:30] <lordievader> nexus`: Annoying workaround: install ubuntu server and then installing the kubuntu-desktop package.
[12:30] <nexus`> then log back in
[12:30] <nexus`> yea already have lordievader
[12:30] <nexus`> that works
[12:30] <nexus`> annoying that kubuntu doesnt wanna work though
[12:30] <nexus`> gonna try xubuntu here shortly
[12:30] <FloodBotK1> nexus`: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:31] <lordievader> nexus`: Still I recommend taking Ubuntu server instead of the default Ubuntu, less gnome/unity stuff :)
[12:32] <Artakha> aha?
[12:32] <Artakha> what's the difference between ubuntu server and the regular one exactly? just less gui things?
[12:33] <lordievader> Artakha: Ubuntu server comes without a GUI.
[12:33] <nexus`> a lot less stuff Artakha
[12:33] <Artakha> ah good
[12:33] <Artakha> i'll grab that, then
[12:33] <BluesKaj> no gui if you choose the headless
[12:33] <nexus`> also i did use server lordievader
[12:33] <nexus`> i already had the iso since i use ubuntu server on all of my servers
[12:34] <Unit193> Easier to get mini.iso, that way you don't have any unneeded server applications.
[12:34] <Artakha> oh blargh
[12:34] <Artakha> it's giving me an amd64 iso
[12:34] <nexus`> not really Unit193
[12:34] <nexus`> what is Artakha
[12:34] <lordievader> Whee, so many options :)
[12:34] <Artakha> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server this
[12:34] <Unit193> nexus`: How so?
[12:35] <Artakha> i guess i could grab the lts release but at that point i could just as well get the regular ubuntu
[12:35] <nexus`> get choose 32bit...
[12:35] <nexus`> in the dropdown
[12:35] <nexus`> get 12.04
[12:35] <nexus`> its better anyway since its LTS
[12:35] <FloodBotK1> nexus`: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:35] <nexus`> because a lot of the stuff server comes with is needed Unit193
[12:35] <Artakha> meh i don't mind upgrading
[12:35] <lordievader> Artakha: http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download?distro=server&bits=32&release=latesr
[12:36] <nexus`> Artakha: for server LTS is the way to go
[12:36] <Artakha> but i want a kubuntu desktop, not a server :P
[12:36] <nexus`> dont think anyone can argue that
[12:36] <nexus`> well if u prefer 12.10 lordievader just gave you a link
[12:36] <Artakha> yeah i'll go with that
[12:36] <nexus`> i just personally prefer 12.04
[12:36] <Artakha> thanks a bunch
[12:36] <nexus`> ill let u guys know if xubuntu works
[12:37] <BluesKaj> kubuntu desktop runs nicely on 12.10
[12:37] <lordievader> nexus`: We're happy with Kubuntu ;)
[12:37] <nexus`> lordievader: i just meant to compare with kubuntu
[12:37] <Artakha> cool, 80 megs less to download
[12:37] <nexus`> to see if it is a kubuntu problem or a problem with anything but regular ubuntu on VM's
[12:37] <lordievader> BluesKaj: They have the problem that 12.10 does not run inside VMware... :(
[12:38] <Artakha> hm, 20 minutes to download
[12:38]  * Artakha waltzes afk
[12:38] <BluesKaj> well, then ask in VMware :) , tired of ppl afraid to take a risk and do a real install
[12:38] <Artakha> thanks for the help guys
[12:38] <nexus`> BluesKaj: im not afraid
[12:39] <Artakha> BluesKaj, i tried to install normally
[12:39] <nexus`> i just only have a bluetooth mouse and keyboard
[12:39] <Artakha> it refuses to boot
[12:39] <Artakha> so i tried qemu as a last-ditch effort
[12:39] <nexus`> also you know VM's are there for a reason
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Artakha, my recommendation is to forget virtual unless absolutely necessary for on the job requirements , otherwise do a proper install
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Artakha, if a VM is a requirement then install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop and do the pure kde commands
[12:43] <BluesKaj> !pure-kde
[12:44] <nexus`> lordievader: xubuntu works
[12:44] <nexus`> so its a kubuntu problem
[12:44] <BluesKaj> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekubuntu , Artakha
[12:44] <lordievader> nexus`: Have you tried the 12.04.2 version of Kubuntu in a VM?
[12:44] <nexus`> nope
[12:44] <nexus`> where is it
[12:45] <nexus`> all i saw was 12.10
[12:45] <lordievader> nexus`: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download-lts
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Artakha, or idf you want a kubuntu install try my above suggestion without the VM ...I had to use that method a while back and it worked great
[12:49] <nexus`> lordievader: let ya know in about 30 minutes
[13:05] <nexus`> lordievader: looks like 12.04 doesnt work either
[13:05] <nexus`> http://snapplr.com/yfrd thats all i can see
[13:07] <lordievader> nexus`: It freezes there?
[13:07] <nexus`> yep
[13:07] <nexus`> and when i shut it down and start it up
[13:07] <nexus`> all i can see is a _
[13:07] <nexus`> black background. doesnt work in VM's apparently
[13:07] <nexus`> oh well
[13:08] <lordievader> nexus`: A real install is not an option?
[13:08] <nexus`> na
[13:08] <nexus`> not at this point
[13:08] <nexus`> im on an iMac
[13:08] <nexus`> only got bluetooth mouse/keyboard
[13:08] <nexus`> cant install any linux
[13:11] <soee> anyoen using rsibreak ?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> soee, what's rsibreak ?
[13:12] <soee> BluesKaj, app to count activity time and set short/long breaks for you
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yeah , I see now , soee ..too late for me , probly gonna need carpal tunnel surgery soon . Can't blame the mouse and KB entirely for this tho , playing drums also causes the same condititon
[13:36] <KomiaPoika> hi
[13:36] <KomiaPoika> is there a program as good as lightroom3 or lightroom4 in linux?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> KomiaPoika, what kind of app is that ?
[13:36] <KomiaPoika> adobe lightroom to edit pictures in a batch
[13:37] <KomiaPoika> i know of darktable but it's mostly to edit raw's
[13:38] <lordievader> KomiaPoika: In my opinion there is not, Lightroom is one of my reasons to keep Windows on my laptop.
[13:38] <Artakha> bleh, tried to boot the ubuntu server from my usb drive
[13:39] <KomiaPoika> lordievader: did you ever try darktable?
[13:39] <Artakha> it just farted "no operating system" and dropped down to the hard drive :P
[13:39] <Artakha> this is getting quite annoying
[13:39] <lordievader> KomiaPoika: No I haven't, is it any good?
[13:40] <lordievader> Artakha: How did you try to make the usb drive?
[13:40] <KomiaPoika> lordievader: didn't try it yet, but it presents itself as the lightroom alternative for linux
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Artakha, dunno if you noticed my suggestion above , about installing ubuntu then doing the the pure kde commands to get kubuntu
[13:41] <Artakha> BluesKaj, that's what i'm trying to do
[13:42] <Artakha> lordievader, formatted with mkfs.ext3 and installed with unetbootin
[13:43] <lordievader> Artakha: Did you try it with the Usb Creator (not sure if you are running Ubuntu <- standard installed in there)
[13:43] <Artakha> running debian lenny right now
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Artakha, no cdrom? , usb installs seem to have probs and bugs
[13:44] <Artakha> BluesKaj, no cds at hand right now
[13:45] <jussi> how does one change the oxygen style so that I have square buttons not round?
[13:48] <KomiaPoika> can you put the task bar on top in kubuntu 12.10?
[13:49] <Torch> you can in KDE, so why not in 12.10? ;-)
[13:50] <jussi> KomiaPoika: yes, you can
[13:51] <jussi> KomiaPoika: right click the bar, panel options, panel settings, then click and drag the screen edge button
[14:21] <KomiaPoika> jussi: thanks
[14:27] <KomiaPoika> is the ubuntu 12.10 default interface gnome?
[14:27] <lordievader> KomiaPoika: Unity, a UI based on Gnome.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> KomiaPoika, unity is the default in ubuntu afaik
[14:33] <KomiaPoika> so which is better now really, unity or the lastest kde with kubuntu?
[14:33] <lordievader> KomiaPoika: We here would (ofcourse) say Kubuntu, in #ubuntu they would say Ubuntu/Unity is better...
[14:34] <KomiaPoika> fair enough
[14:35] <KomiaPoika> bye
[14:54] <jman074> i got disconnecte
[14:54] <jman074> how do i dowload oracle java from terminal
[14:56] <ben___> apt-get install <packagename>
[14:57] <ben___> or go to website, download it, then read the install file in the downloaded file
[14:59] <mandoguit> sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[15:00] <ben___> mandoguit you have to not put sudo in the first go around
[15:01] <ben___> so you can use <sudo !!> the second time lol
[15:01] <lordievader> ben___: To install you allways need sudo rights, for apt-cache you don't need sude.
[15:02] <rberg> Is oracle java in the repos? I didnt think so.. webupd8 has a nice package that grabs the bin from oracle and installs it in within the package manager
[15:03] <lordievader> jman074: Download the tar-ball from here: http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp?locale=en
[15:06] <ben___> theres a bunch of the libs in the repos but the jdk or sdk isn't in there
[15:07] <ben___> there are Mono libs though
[15:29] <jman074> lord you still here
[15:29] <jman074> lord what do you think about this
[15:29] <jman074> http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Oracle-Java-in-Ubuntu-309861.shtml
[15:31] <lordievader> jman074: I don't use java (of any kind), so no idea. I do remember just grabbing the tar-ball and following oracles (was sun back then) instructions on installing it.
[15:34] <murthy> -> dinner
[15:38] <jman074> okay im trying to take classes and firefox says i need some plugins to view all media on the site. :( someone told me to download oracle do yo know of a way around it. but first of all what was the way to type in terminal to get sys info
[15:39] <BluesKaj> some workplaces insist on oracle java due to contractual and technical reasons
[15:39] <lordievader> jman074: Firefox usually tries to find the pugin itself, is Java one of those plugins it cannot find?
[15:40] <jman074> it searched for like twelve hours
[15:40] <lordievader> jman074: Download the tar-ball from here, the instructions are next to the download link: http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp?locale=en
[15:40] <rberg> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html
[15:41] <rberg> much easier.. it does all the update-alternatives for you
[15:43] <BluesKaj> or this jman074 , http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/index-137561.html
[15:43] <jman074> thanks guys appreciate it. how do i know if i have 32 or 64 bit
[15:44] <BluesKaj> jman074, uname -a in the terminal
[15:44] <lordievader> jman074: Run "arch" from the command line.
[15:45] <jman074> sweet so run the linux x64 or linux 64 rpm
[15:45] <BluesKaj> x86_64 means you have 64
[15:46] <BluesKaj> not rpm , look for a .deb
[15:46] <lordievader> jman074: You need the tar-ball (tar.gz), not the rpm, rmp is for red-hat for example.
[15:46] <lordievader> BluesKaj: The page I gave him doesn't provide debs... :(
[15:46] <BluesKaj> then self extracting
[15:47] <jman074> sorry lord i don't understand what is tar.gz
[15:47] <jman074> i don't see it
[15:48] <lordievader> jman074: It's the non rpm option :P
[15:48] <jman074> lol
[15:48] <BluesKaj> http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp?locale=en , has self extracting container
[15:49] <lordievader> BluesKaj: We probably mean the same thing ;)
[15:49] <jman074> okay lord here we go gonna try this wish me luck
[15:49] <lordievader> jman074: No luck required, you probably have the dependencies.
[15:50] <jman074> i hate new computers. its like a car its not good till its broke in right
[15:52] <jman074> lord when it finishes downloading it it do the rest
[15:52] <lordievader> jman074: Check the instructions page, it is next to the download link.
[15:53] <jman074> i did that then i seen another link for ubuntu looks like spanish or french j/k
[15:54] <lordievader> jman074: It's this one: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_x64_install.xml
[15:55] <jman074> yeh i at that but on that page there is another link for ubuntu
[15:56] <lordievader> jman074: Hey now you mention it, you could also go with that route.
[15:57] <jman074> i already started downloading the tar.gz one and when i click on ubuntu it has another file errr if i follow the directions on the first page it will still work right/
[15:57] <jman074> ?
[15:58] <lordievader> jman074: Can you try that sentence again, I'm not following. You started downloading the tar-ball, and then?
[16:00] <jman074> is it going to make any diff if i install targz file or do i have to click on the ubuntu link and do it that way
[16:02] <lordievader> jman074: Version number, perhaps. But nothing major I recon.
[16:02] <jman074> i got this link from the file i started downloadinghttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[16:14] <jman074> so i did ubuntu way and it took me to software center how bout that
[16:14] <jman074> lol
[16:14] <jman074> :-/
[16:16] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:44] <PrincessLuna> How can you right click?
[16:47] <casper_> selam
[16:47] <PrincessLuna> I mean right click using a touch screen
[16:48] <kbana> shalom
[17:25] <SouL_> Hello guys and girls
[17:25] <SouL_> Someone knows why the brightness goes darker without touching it sometimes?
[17:25] <SouL_> Laptop.
[17:28] <rosco_y> SouL_: sounds like your power settings are kicking in and dimming the panel
[17:28] <rosco_y> or am I missing the point
[17:29] <SouL_> Oh..
[17:29] <SouL_> Sometimes I'm working and the "light" goes off
[17:29] <SouL_> I configured it on systemsettings but now I don't know why
[17:29] <SouL_> Thanks for answer by the way, rosco_y :)
[17:30] <rosco_y> :) sure, glad to be able to help once in awhile--I sure get a lot of help around here :)
[17:30] <rosco_y> don't think I'd make it without my irc software.....
[17:47] <test_> hi there, using raring and have now a problem.... I unexpectedly ended up at lightdm login in screen, despite having auto-login set...... whenever I login now, I do end up back at lightdm login. I already tried to dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and still the same.... then I replaced lightdm with kdm and same behaviour there
[18:02] <jman074> hello everyone
[18:02] <jman074> lord you available
[18:03] <lordievader> jman074: Jup, I'm here.
[18:03] <Mamarok> jman074: do you have more than one desktop isntalled? Then this is absolutely normal, how else do you want to change desktop?
[18:04] <lordievader> jman074: Btw use my full nick (use autocomplete :)), in that way I get a ping.
[18:04] <jman074> um no just one desktop and it has four work spaces
[18:04] <jman074> okay
[18:05] <test_> hi Mamarok
[18:05] <jman074> lordievader i got the java to work. but i boo booed. when the applet is loading it says i chose not to trust it. i would like to trust it now lol
[18:06] <lordievader> jman074: As I said earlier, I do not use java. No idea how to change those settings.
[18:07] <jman074> i think that is a browser settting got somthing to do with the certificates. i loaded the page again but it says the same thing.
[18:08] <Mausschubser> #requonk
[18:08] <Mamarok> test_: sorry, that was actually meant for you
[18:09] <Mamarok> jman074: sorry, I misdirected my answer
[18:12] <lordievader> Be right back, got to do some dishes.
[18:21] <lordievader> Back.
[18:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> question about the kde desktop in relation to the gnome-desktop
[18:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> in gnome the menu items are sorted by their *.desktop files "Categories" line, is it such in kubuntu?
[18:30] <Mamarok> ntzrmtthihu777: you want to know if the Menu in KDE has categories? Of course :) And there are not that many ways to sort those
[18:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> Mamarok: Sorry, was afk. what I mean is are they sorted by the same mechanism?
[19:15] <Kazoey> How do I register my nick again?
[19:16] <Mamarok> !register
[19:17] <Mamarok> Kazoey: see the link above
[19:17] <Korrosion> Thank you
[19:24] <jman074> is any one using open jdk java
[19:26] <jman074> im running open jdk java 7 how do i delete temp internet files"applications and applets"
[19:30] <rberg> Hello, I am on kde 4.10.1 and new multi-monitor daemon is working really well, is there any way to have it not prompt me to to run the configuration tool every time? it just works (so far)
[19:34] <murthy> bbl
[20:00] <palasso> Anyone knows what #kubuntu-bugs is for? It doesn't have a topic title. Does it correlate to what #ubuntu-bugs is? It's not on this list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[20:01] <Mamarok> palasso: is there actually somebody in there?
[20:07] <jman074> im running openjdk java 7 anyone know how to trust applets or delete temp internet files
[20:15] <palasso> Mamarok, 5+ ppl
[20:17] <Mamarok> palasso: this is only a channel where bugs are listed by a bot, so unless you are into bug fixing it will not be very useful for you
[20:17] <palasso> Mamarok, sometimes I report bugs ;)
[20:18] <Mamarok> well, it is still no sue for you as the channel is not for reporting bugs
[20:18] <Mamarok> no use*
[20:18] <Mamarok> there is a bot that lists new incoming bugs, so it is only useful for people who fix bugs
[20:19] <palasso> I am logged in for 10 hours in this channel and there was no activity
[20:19] <Mamarok> because there were no bugs reported against kubuntu on launchpad
[20:20] <Mamarok> kde bugs are reported upstream so that channel will not have much traffic
[20:20] <palasso> Should some OP create a topic title so it'd be more straightforward for ppl like me for what it's for?
[20:20] <Mamarok> no, why? it is only useful to insiders, there is a reason why it is not lsited
[20:20] <palasso> In order to have a hint on what it might be I went to #ubuntu-bugs to see that topic title
[20:20] <Mamarok> how did you end up in there anyway?
[20:21] <palasso> I just searched for kde and kubuntu channels on freenode and noticed that #ubuntu-bugs is on the list while #kubuntu-bugs isn't
[20:21] <palasso> I mean on the wiki list
[20:21] <Mamarok> well, as I said, that is for a reason
[20:22] <Mamarok> and I just explained it to you, didn't I?
[20:22] <palasso> That it's only useful to insiders
[20:22] <Mamarok> and what it is for and why it is not lsited
[20:22] <Mamarok> listed*
[20:23] <palasso> It's for listing new bugs that are filled on LP for Kubuntu
[20:24] <Mamarok> yes, that's what I told you, isn't it? So no need to repeat :)
[20:24] <palasso> Sorry I thought you asked me
[20:24] <Mamarok> no, that was rethoric English
[20:25] <palasso> To tell you the truth I still don't understand why #ubuntu-bugs is on the wiki list while #kubuntu-bugs isn't (and why the one has topic title while the other doesn't). In other words why they are treated somewhat different
[20:27] <yofel> palasso: #kubuntu-bugs isn't really used these days anymore. #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-bugs are sufficient
[20:27] <palasso> I see. thnx yofel for the info :)
[20:27] <Mamarok> and why was my explanation not sufficient?
[20:27] <yofel> the announcement part is done on the ~kubuntu-bugs team mailing list on launchpad. For all of ubuntu there's #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[20:28] <Mamarok> oh well...
[20:28] <palasso> Nice, I'll look into it ;)
[20:28] <palasso> Mamarok, no worries. You explained to me some things ;)
[20:29] <Mamarok> then why did you ask the same question again? seriously...
[20:29] <palasso> I didn't find it to be the same question. But let's leave it here. There is no reason to argue :)
[21:58] <jman074> lordievader
[21:58] <lordievader> jman074: Yes?
[21:58] <jman074> hey there
[21:58] <lordievader> jman074: Good evening.
[21:59] <jman074> im having trouble unpacking and installing the tarball into the /usr/local directory
[21:59] <jman074> i figured out how to change to that directory but i don't know how to move the file there and install it
[21:59] <lordievader> jman074: First extract it to a dir you have write acces to, your home dir or something.
[22:00] <jman074> one sec and i will do that
[22:01] <jman074> extracted
[22:02] <lordievader> jman074: In what directory?
[22:02] <jman074> home directory into the downloads folder
[22:03] <lordievader> jman074: Hm... Ok, in a terminal change to that folder.
[22:04] <jman074> would that be cd /home
[22:05] <lordievader> jman074: No, "cd /home/<user-name>/Downloads"
[22:05] <lordievader> jman074: Where does the folder need to go?
[22:05] <jman074> i doesn't really i just need to install it
[22:06] <lordievader> jman074: You just asked me how to move it to some folder...
[22:07] <jman074> yes we extracted to a folder now we need to install
[22:07] <lordievader> jman074: Are you following a guide?
[22:08] <jman074> yes
[22:09] <jman074> now it says move .tar.gz archive binary to current directory
[22:09] <lordievader> jman074: Can you link me to the guide?
[22:09] <jman074> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_x64_install.xml#install
[22:10] <jman074> the ubuntu one didn't work so im just doin the origional linux
[22:10] <murthy__> lordievader: whats your time zone?
[22:13] <lordievader> jman074: Can you give me a link?
[22:14] <jman074>  http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_x64_install.xml#install
[22:15] <lordievader> jman074: Does the folder /usr/java exist (should be /usr/share/java IMHO)
[22:16] <murthy__> lordievader: late for you? got some time?
[22:17] <jman074> /usr/shar/java is a directory
[22:17] <lordievader> murthy__: Depends, is it something bit?
[22:17] <lordievader> big*
[22:17] <murthy__> lordievader: to the devs
[22:18] <lordievader> jman074: Good, "sudo mv /home/<user-name>/Downloads/<extracted-java-folder>/ /usr/share/java/"
[22:18] <lordievader> murthy__: To the devs? I'm no dev...
[22:24] <jman074> says no such file or directory
[22:24] <lordievader> jman074: You replaced the things between the < > with the correct information?
[22:24] <jman074> yes
[22:25] <lordievader> jman074: And what you just said about /usr/share/java is correct too?
[22:25] <jman074> yes
[22:28] <lordievader> jman074: Then there is probably a typo in the way you copied the command, note there is space between "java-folder>/" and "/usr/...."
[22:28] <jman074> yeh i copied good
[22:28] <jman074> ill try once more
[22:29] <murthy__> lordievader: good night
[22:29] <lordievader> Sleep wel, murthy__
[22:30] <jman074> still no go
[22:30] <jman074> bash: jman074: No such file or directory
[22:31] <lordievader> jacky: Can you show what you are exactly typing?
[22:32] <lordievader> Sorry jacky, misdirected.
[22:32] <lordievader> jman074: ^
[22:33] <jman074> jman074@sniper:~$ sudo mv /home/<jman074>/Downloads/<jre1.7.0_17>/ /usr/share/java/
[22:34] <lordievader> jman074: Remove the < and >, then you have a hit!
[22:34] <jman074> i feel slow
[22:36] <jman074> jman074@sniper:~$ sudo mv /home/<jman074>/Downloads/<jre1.7.0_17>/ /usr/share/java/
[22:36] <jman074> ignore that
[22:36] <Mamarok> jman074: remove those < and >, you shouldn't sue those in folder names
[22:36] <jman074> jman074@sniper:~$ sudo mv/home/jman074/downloads/jre1.7.0_17/ /usr/share/java/
[22:36] <jman074> [sudo] password for jman074:
[22:36] <jman074> sudo: mv/home/jman074/downloads/jre1.7.0_17/: command not found
[22:37] <Mamarok> and there is a typo, space after mv missing
[22:37] <Mamarok> sudo mv /home/ etc
[22:37] <lordievader> jman074: And it is Downloads, linux is case-sensitive.
[22:37] <jman074> okay pray for me here we go
[22:37] <stacky> can anyone please let me know if there is a solution to the failure in configuring interface of wifi on Broadcom BCM4313 802.11b\g\n in kubuntu 12.10... i have already tried ndiswrapper
[22:39] <jman074> i think it worked now what
[22:39] <uglyoldbob> what do I need to do to get a copy of nslookup that supports ls?
[22:40] <lordievader> jman074: Delete the tar.gz file and you're done, according to your guide.
[22:40] <jman074> hmmm
[22:43] <jman074> where is the tar.gz file at now
[22:43] <stacky> please anyone .... configuring Broadcom BCM4313 802.11b\g\n on kubuntu 12.10
[22:43] <lordievader> jman074: You saved it somewhere ;)
[22:44] <jman074> thanks for putting up with me i don't know what i would do without you lol
[22:45] <lordievader> Hehe, it's allright jman074. I'm glad I could help.
[22:45] <Mamarok> stacky: I don't know, and Broadcom is not exactly Linux-friendly
[22:45] <Mamarok> stacky: patience, if somebody knows they will answer
[22:45] <vincents_mob> help please i can't access kde anymore i think its something to do with my screen
[22:46] <stacky> Mamarok:  OK :)
[22:47] <lordievader> I'm off to bed, sleep well.
[22:49] <vincents_mob> when i try apt get kubuntu-settings-desktop i get nessesary kubuntu-qtquick1-components but is not installable and error holding defect packages
[22:52] <uglyoldbob> ok it seems "dig axfr" accomplishes what i need
[23:56] <marocain> hi


[00:02] <maxb> apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-intel
[00:02] <maxb> apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-intel
[00:02] <maxb> cd xserver-xorg-video-intel-VERSION
[00:02] <maxb> apply patch
[00:03] <maxb> dch -l zmiq "My local package to do foo"
[00:03] <maxb> (^That adds an entry to the debian/changelog, thus giving the package a distinct version number)
[00:03] <maxb> dpkg-buildpackage -b
[00:32] <zmiq_> many thanks; I'll try asap!!
[00:36] <zmiq_> the truth is I have been waiting for two months for a patch, which is now developed and tested as working, and don't want to wait anymore; it's regarding Option "SDVOBOutput"
[00:36] <zmiq_> developed by Wang Zhenyu
[00:40] <zmiq_> more at: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17823
[01:43] <zmiq_> maxb: i've completed all steps; will dpkg-buildpackage -b also install the new module? in which direcotry?
[02:51] <stgraber> bryce: are your aware that geode GX2 are broken in Jaunty (more than they were in Intrepid) ?
[02:51] <stgraber> back in Intrepid, I just had to mention the Driver to use (geode) and force XAA to have them working, now I get a X seg fault in all cases
[02:52]  * stgraber goes looking for a bug on LP
[03:04] <stgraber> bryce: bug 327484
[03:40] <bryce> stgraber: no I hadn't heard
[03:42] <stgraber> these things are usually extremely buggy and hard to get to work but there always were workarounds :) For jaunty the only one I found so far is using vesa which kind of sucks ...
[03:43] <bryce> stgraber: unfortunately I think AMD laid off their geode support people
[03:43] <bryce> and I gather they will no longer be producing geode
[03:44] <stgraber> indeed, unfortuanately we have a few hundreds of these things out there :)
[03:44] <bryce> stgraber: if you can locate a patch, or a new release which fixes the issue, we can upload it
[03:44] <bryce> else, at least get a full backtrace, in case it's just something simple like a null pointer
[03:44] <bryce> however my guess is that it is missing some support
[03:45] <bryce> stgraber: also check the geode mailing list
[17:18] <bryce> morning everyone
[18:02] <bryce> tjaalton, jcristau: does Option "ModeDebug" impact performance?  if not, would there be any reason not to switch it on while we're in development?  (up to beta perhaps?)
[18:03] <jcristau> bryce: sounds like a good idea
[18:35] <crevette> good evening gentlemen
[18:37] <bryce> heya crevette
[18:37] <crevette> I have a bug recently with jaunty where I can see what it is displayed after usplash, removing usplash to the "kernel " line in grub fixes the issue
[18:37] <crevette> s/can/can't/
[18:37] <crevette> are you aware of such issue ? I remember having the same bug in intrepid :)
[18:37] <bryce> crevette: yes
[18:38] <crevette> okay so I don't need to spam you more
[18:38] <bryce> crevette: bug in usplash; you can sub to it
[18:38] <bryce> 327230
[18:39] <bryce> crevette: kees is looking at it currently - you could help him with some testing if you'd like
[18:39] <crevette> wonderful
[18:39] <crevette> kees: don't hesitate if I can help you
[18:39] <kees> crevette: okay, I've got 8 builds of usplash I need tested.  :)
[18:40] <crevette> hehe
[18:40] <kees> crevette: basically, to isolate the change that broke for some people
[18:40] <crevette> kees: do you need I enumerate my hardware ?
[18:40] <kees> crevette: nope
[18:44] <kees> crevette: okay, ready?
[18:44] <kees> crevette: here's the list: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/usplash-testing/
[18:44] <crevette> I've few minutes free
[18:44] <kees> in order, test 242 242.1.1 242.1.2 242.1.3 242.1.4 243 and 244
[18:45] <crevette> do you have i386 deb ?
[18:45] <kees> each directory has 2 deb, both are needed.  at some point, after a reboot, it'll fail.  242 should work, for example.
[18:45] <kees> crevette: give me a moment, I can build those...
[18:45] <crevette> okay thanks
[18:46] <crevette> too bad I don't have a VM of jaunty
[18:47]  * crevette opens another bug in the meanwhile
[18:53] <kees> crevette: okay, i386 debs are up.
[18:54] <crevette> wonderfull
[18:57] <crevette> first reboot
[19:01] <crevette> 242 works
[19:01] <kees> okay, good.  that's expected (242 is basically 0.5.27).
[19:01]  * crevette will try the dichotomy way
[19:01] <crevette> let pick on in the middle :)
[19:01]  * kees nods
[19:08] <crevette> 242.1.4 is affected
[19:09] <kees> okay.  /me suspects 242.1.3
[19:09] <kees> though why it would cause this, I have no idea.
[19:10] <kees> if 242.1.2 works and 242.1.3 is busted, then I'll revert the signal handler changes.
[19:10] <crevette> which one do you want me to test ?
[19:10] <kees> try 242.1.2 next.
[19:14] <crevette> 242.1.2 works
[19:16] <crevette> let's got for 242.1.3
[19:16] <kees> okay, ... 242.1.3 next, I guess.  :)  Thanks so much for doing this testing
[19:17] <crevette> no problemo, always happy to help
[19:19] <crevette> 242.1.3 works too
[19:20] <crevette> so 242.1.4 is guilty
[19:20] <crevette> :)
[19:20]  * kees ponders
[19:20] <kees> uhm
[19:20]  * kees scatches his head
[19:21] <kees> seems the diff between 242.1.3 and 242.1.4 is only in the changelog...
[19:21] <crevette> should I try again to reboot to see if it works again
[19:21] <tjaalton> bryce: i thought upstream turned it on already, but maybe only for master
[19:22] <kees> yeah, can you?  maybe this problem isn't always present on every boot?  geh, I wish I could reproduce this locally
[19:22] <crevette> let do it again
[19:30] <crevette> 242.1.3 didn't work the 2nd time
[19:30] <kees> okay, that does imply a race with the alarm handler... copying up another test version...
[19:31] <kees> crevette: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/usplash-testing/ 0.5.29~kees1
[19:31] <kees> that's 244 with the changes between 242.1.2 and 242.1.3 removed
[19:32] <crevette> okay
[19:33]  * kees hugs crevette
[19:33] <bryce> thanks crevette :-)
[19:34]  * crevette hugs kees & bryce
[19:34] <crevette> :)
[19:35] <crevette> See you soon
[19:39] <crevette> so it seems to work
[19:39] <crevette> I admit I didn't tested twice :)
[19:39] <kees> heh.
[19:40] <kees> okay, well, maybe I can get bryce to test the ~kees1 build too?
[19:40] <kees> bryce: do you need i386 or amd64 debs?
[19:40] <bryce> sure thing
[19:40] <bryce> i386
[19:40] <kees> cool, they're up there for ya
[19:40] <kees> http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/usplash-testing/
[19:40] <kees> the ~kees1 build reverts a signal handler clean up.
[19:41] <bryce> installed; rebooting
[19:41] <kees> cool, thanks
[19:43] <bryce> ok, came right up
[19:43] <kees> whee
[19:43] <bryce> so, I can confirm the fix
[19:44] <kees> okay, I'll push this version, though it's not clear to me _why_ it broke.  :P
[19:46]  * crevette goes to eat its soup bowl
[19:51] <kees> crevette: thanks again.  I've uploaded an official 0.5.29 which reverts the signal handler changes, so hopefully this bug should stay dead.  :)
[19:52] <crevette> kewl, thanks a lot
[20:00] <kees> np
[20:32] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, the compiz-freeze with intel still happens for me, but it's harder to trigger with the latest patch :/
[20:33] <bryce> tjaalton, ok
[20:35] <tjaalton> so it's only partially fixed
[20:38] <mnemo> tjaalton: same here but here it seems to repro more and more often the longer you run X though
[21:02] <tjaalton> mnemo: there's another patch to try
[21:35] <tormod> tjaalton: I still have /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65mesa-check-x86-64 here, is this a conf file that needs to be deleted even if it's not shipped any longer, or is it just me?
[21:36] <jcristau> yes, the postinst should take care of that
[21:45] <tormod> jcristau: thanks. just rm it no question asked?
[21:45] <jcristau> tormod: it's a bit more complicated than that
[21:45] <tormod> I was afraid so :)
[21:45] <bryce> tjaalton: so do you think slipping ModeDebug into dexconf would be ok for pre-beta?  or is there a better way we could do it?
[21:46] <jcristau> bryce: don't do that. swap the default in the code
[21:47] <jcristau> tormod: xsfbs.sh has remove_conffile_lookup, remove_conffile_commit, remove_conffile_rollback. there's another example on the debian wiki somewhere iirc
[21:47] <bryce> jcristau: why not?  would be easier to swap than patching the xserver
[21:48] <jcristau> tormod: http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling
[21:49] <tormod> bryce: it's easier to revert it in the server than to try to rewrite xorg.conf's later
[21:49] <jcristau> bryce: because dexconf only runs on initial install, and is the wrong place to set defaults anyway
[21:49] <jcristau> also, what tormod says
[21:51] <tormod> jcristau: but but this is not really a configuration file... nobody should have changed if not only to disable it
[21:51] <jcristau> it's a conffile...
[21:52] <jcristau> though i can understand if you don't care enough and want to just remove it :)
[21:52] <jcristau> tormod: the xsfbs.sh stuff also makes sure the conffile is restored if for some reason the upgrade gets aborted (the rollback function)
[21:53] <tormod> well that's almost useful - maybe reason enough
[21:53] <tjaalton> tormod: what shipped it?
[21:54] <tjaalton> bryce: by patching the server, yes
[21:54] <tormod> tjaalton: libgl1-mesa-dri
[21:55] <tjaalton> tormod: ok.. nothing in the changelog
[21:57] <tormod> I hope jcristau looks another way :) I don't think Ubuntu supports broken release upgrades anyway.
[21:58] <jcristau> heh
[22:04] <tjaalton> tormod: oh, I dropped it
[22:05] <tjaalton> meh
[22:06] <tjaalton> there should be a /usr/share/X11/Xsession.d
[22:06] <tjaalton> or similar
[22:06] <tjaalton> and /etc/X11/Xsession.d left for the local admin
[22:07] <jcristau> (we had the same problem with xfree86-common -> x11-common, i think the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ were left around on sarge->etch upgrades :/)
[22:08] <jcristau> (so you'd end up with two copies until you purged xfree86-common. which means two ssh-agents starting. which means fail.)
[22:09] <maxb> It's a shame dpkg doesn't make the corner-cases of conffile handling easier
[22:09] <tormod> I thought you had to declare what's a conffile? Or is everything under /etc conffiles?
[22:10] <maxb> debhelper declares everything under /etc for you
[22:10] <maxb> Though I believe it would be frowned upon to put something in /etc/ that wasn't a conffile
[22:11] <tormod> there is certainly a good bunch of stuff under /etc that is not meant to be edited, no more than you would recompile something under /usr/bin
[22:14] <maxb> I guess it would be ok if you had a comment informing the local admin that the file is liable to have local changes destroyed on upgrade
[22:15] <maxb> though still not ideal
[22:15] <tormod> for instance there is gdm.conf, with gdm.conf-custom for making changes
[22:16] <tormod> oh, gdm.conf has such a warning :)
[22:17] <maxb> though is still a conffile


[10:34] <Madpilot> morning mdke
[01:28] <shirish> mdke, nixternal either of you up?
[02:34] <shirish> guys I have made some changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute ,  added an whole gedit part, although would be specifying this change on the ubuntu-doc mailing list also, but would be nice if somebody can take a look & either do some corrections or comment if something is added, missing or can be improved upon


[19:29] <godbyk> Was /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/unity/close.png generated from an SVG? If so, do you know where I can find the source SVG?  (I'm trying to generate higher-resolution images of some of the window control buttons for printed documentation.)
[19:59] <xnox> godbyk: can you file a bug requesting this against ayatana-design & stating your goal?
[19:59] <godbyk> xnox: Sure. Thanks!
[20:01] <godbyk> xnox: There we go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1090533.  Anything else I should add?
[21:25] <sepisoad> do you have any plan to change the appearance of ubuntu1 client, it's way too ugly


[02:47] <codepython777> anyone here who runs powerdns/any other dns server?
[02:47] <codepython777> I'm running pdns and it dies in the middle - cant find anything suspicious in the logs
[02:48] <codepython777> grep "error" /var/log/daemon.log = nothing
[02:53] <qman__> I've never heard of this powerdns
[02:53] <qman__> bind logs to /var/log/syslog
[02:54] <sarnold> qman__: never? o_O I thought you were a DNS -guy-!
[02:55] <randolph`> will installing a wm (openbox) on a server affect the security?
[02:55] <qman__> yes
[02:56] <randolph`> why?
[02:56] <qman__> every piece of software you install will have an effect on security
[02:56] <randolph`> ok
[02:56] <randolph`> ty
[02:56] <sarnold> and X tends to have more than its share of security surfaces..
[02:56] <qman__> in regard to X and supporting apps in particular, X11 uses network sockets internally
[02:57] <qman__> it's a complex system and unless you've got a default deny firewall, I would strongly recommend against it
[02:57] <codepython777> qman__: This one logs to /var/log/daemon.log. grep "error" shows this error in the current log file : Jul 31 14:21:05 machine1 snmpd[1966]: net-snmp: 33 error(s) in config file(s)
[02:57] <randolph`> true. good to know.
[02:57] <randolph`> thanks
[02:58] <sarnold> codepython777: here's google's cache on the logging part of the pdns syslog docs: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KTOMeQoYlsQJ:doc.powerdns.com/html/syslog.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=ubuntu
[03:00] <codepython777> sarnold: when the crash happened, it was logging into daemon.log - the only line that looks bad is that net-snmp line
[03:01] <codepython777> am not sure that killed the pdns daemon thou
[03:01] <sarnold> codepython777: yeah, snmpd errors don't seem likely.. :/
[03:01] <sarnold> codepython777: maybe check dmesg, see if there's segfaults?
[03:02] <codepython777> dmesg | grep seg - but i did reboot after the crash.
[03:02] <codepython777> null there
[03:02] <codepython777> I tried syslog as well - no luck there
[05:30] <Senor> ls : cannot access /usr/lib*/librt.so*: No such file or directory
[05:30] <Senor> how to fix this problem?
[09:37] <chmac> ikonia: I am now :-)
[09:43] <stetho> Hi - are there any tools that will allow me to compare what packages are installed on a number of servers?
[10:07] <rbasak> stetho: it's a really common question. Try AskUbuntu, and look into "dpkg -l" and "dpkg --get-selections".
[10:08] <stetho> rbasak: The question is about comparisons - are there any tools? I can get the lists but I've got 17 servers to compare.
[10:09] <rbasak> stetho: I don't know about dedicated tools. I've always used general Unix tools to do this sort of thing. sort, diff, comm, etc.
[10:09] <rbasak> IMHO, they serve the task perfectly.
[10:10] <stetho> rbasak: That seems to be the answer I'm finding. Cross referencing 17 text files is going to be a pain.
[10:10] <rbasak> stetho: you might be interested in meld. It's a nice GUI. Not sure if it does things 17 ways, but looking at two side by side works well.
[10:10] <stetho> I'll have a look. Thanks
[10:12] <rbasak> Beyond that, there are services like Landscape that manage packages across multiple servers. But that's commercial.
[10:14] <rbasak> smoser: I'm interested to hear your thoughts on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/01/%23ubuntu-quality.html#t09:47
[10:14] <rbasak> smoser: for nested KVM, we'd like to provide a read-only cloud image disk to a guest, so that it may use that to start nested guests. But it screws up because (we think) of duplicate filesystem labels.
[10:47] <VSpike> Here's a mystery.. process list http://sprunge.us/hFiF memory http://sprunge.us/GACa http://sprunge.us/VXTG ... where is all the memory going?
[10:47] <VSpike> I killed everything I could kill and still the free memory has not come back
[10:48] <VSpike> ipcs -m is empty and slabtop looks much the same on this and another server in the pool which is using very little memory
[10:49] <VSpike> df shows about 360K in tmpfs
[11:10] <chmac> Anyone know if I can use the same cert / key / chain SSL files for both nginx and apache?
[11:20] <_ruben> chmac: sure
[11:20] <_ruben> chmac: well, assuming they're in a format understood by both
[11:27] <chmac> _ruben: Awesome. What are the apache equivalents of nginx's ssl_certificate and ssl_certificate_key?
[11:27] <chmac> The key one is obvious, but the ssl_certificate is the tricky one, I can't find an apache equivalent
[11:27] <chmac> On nginx the ssl_certificate contains, in this order, server's cert - intermediary - ca
[11:34] <_ruben> chmac: i think the trick is to have both SSLCertificateFile and SSLCACertificateFile point to that file
[11:34] <chmac> _ruben: Ok, let me check that out, thanks
[11:36] <chmac> _ruben: Do you mean SSLCertificateChainFile instead of SSLCACertificateFile? The latter is for Client Authentication according to my reading of the docs https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslcacertificatefile
[11:48] <_ruben> chmac: interesting, that's how I read it too, but SSLCACertificateFile is what we use on our servers
[11:48] <chmac> _ruben: As far as my experiments go, I can't put more than one cert in the SSLCertificateFile directive or apache fails to start with "Init: Multiple RSA server certificates not allowed"
[11:48] <_ruben> chmac: hmm .. I played with a similar setup some time ago. If only I could recall which server that was ;)
[11:49] <chmac> _ruben: Are you sure your server is actually serving the intermediate certificates? I understand that most browsers work fine without the intermediaries...
[11:49] <chmac> _ruben: lol
[11:49] <chmac> _ruben: If I had a penny for every time I thought, oh yeah, I've done that, now where was it… :-)
[11:52] <_ruben> heh, yeah
[11:52] <_ruben> the joys of central configuration management .. if only our nginx/apache configs were part of it ... :)
[11:59] <brendan-> morning ya'll.. i have a question.. when i login to our boxes, we get the notification from the motd, that 'x' # of packages are available for update.. is there a command to run to see which packages are available for update?
[11:59] <brendan-> or a file to read that would show this
[12:00] <_ruben> chmac: i know it's possible, just forgot how. and dont have the time to dive into atm :/
[12:00] <chmac> _ruben: You're sure the server is sending the intermediary certs also?
[12:01] <chmac> I'm not sure how to actually check / verify that, over my head at this point!
[12:01] <_ruben> brendan-: apt-get dist-upgrade would show that for instance
[12:01] <_ruben> chmac: pretty sure i tested that
[12:01] <brendan-> but then you need to have user interaction to deny the upgrade
[12:01] <_ruben> chmac: testing it is trivial if the site's reachable over the internet. tons of ssl checkers out there
[12:01] <chmac> brendan-: There is a command, give me one sec...
[12:02] <brendan-> ok ty
[12:02] <chmac> brendan-: /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check --package-names
[12:02] <brendan-> my goal is to have a cron that runs and grabs the list which is either emailed over or just dumped to a text file
[12:02] <chmac> brendan-: That script is the workhorse of all that stuff, it has a few options
[12:02] <chmac> brendan-: Then what you need is security-update-notifier my friend!
[12:02] <brendan-> ok great. thanks. let me check it out
[12:02] <chmac> http://github.com/chmac/security-update-notifier
[12:02] <chmac> :-)
[12:02] <brendan-> lol
[12:03] <brendan-> shameless plug
[12:03] <brendan-> :D
[12:03] <chmac> brendan-: There's even a puppet module! http://forge.puppetlabs.com/chmac/security_update_notifier
[12:03] <chmac> brendan-: It's an ugly hack, but it does the job
[12:03] <brendan-> very nice
[12:03] <brendan-> we use PE here
[12:03] <_ruben> if only i could time to dive into puppet :/
[12:03] <chmac> brendan-: Just pings me when there are security updates outstanding
[12:03] <brendan-> you need some examples on the forge
[12:03] <chmac> brendan-: But if you want to know every time any update is available, apt-get install apticron will do the trick
[12:03] <chmac> brendan-: I look forward to your pull request ;-)
[12:04] <_ruben> our current homegrown config management stuff is become way too limited over time
[12:04] <brendan-> and i dont want to pay for landscape
[12:04] <chmac> brendan-: http://github.com/chmac/puppet-security-update-notifier
[12:04] <brendan-> too expensive for
[12:04] <brendan-> only needing patch management
[12:04] <chmac> brendan-: We're using scaleXtreme, for $10/server/month they'll do all that jazz for you
[12:05] <chmac> _ruben: FWIW, a year or two into my puppet experience, it's a bloody nightmare. augeas is supposed to be great, but honestly, just managing 3 servers, it gets outrageously complicated figuring out what goes where
[12:05] <brendan-> we have 35 VMs with PE
[12:05] <brendan-> and adding more
[12:06] <chmac> brendan-: We're using the free version, but for maybe even $5/mth/server then you can push updates to them all automatically
[12:06] <brendan-> chmac: but you can control what gets pushed?
[12:06] <chmac> brendan-: Yeah, there's a web interface and all, shows what's outstanding, etc
[12:06] <chmac> brendan-: It's a little scary, you can run anything you want on all / some of your machines!
[12:06] <brendan-> hmm, /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check --package-names gives packages, any way to see the versions its going from and to?
[12:06] <chmac> Give them a command and they'll run it as root on all boxes, not sure I like somebody having that much power, but hey, it's free! :-)
[12:07] <chmac> brendan-: Not sure, try running it with --help
[12:07] <brendan-> i can see yeah, man apt-check didn't work
[12:07] <brendan-> :D
[12:07] <chmac> brendan-: There's also unattended-upgrades I think
[12:07] <chmac> Right, there's no man page, and it's not in the path, took me a while to dig it out
[12:08] <chmac> brendan-: If you do end up using security-update-notifier, I'd be grateful for a heads up
[12:08] <brendan-> i need to read through the module and see what it does
[12:08] <chmac> I built it out of frustration, and it's pretty ugly, but nice to know if it's useful anywhere else
[12:08] <chmac> brendan-: The puppet module only installs the script, in a pretty ugly way, it uses a file{} to copy the script onto each machine and then throws it in cron I think
[12:09] <chmac> brendan-: It's *very* crude, but it works on our ubuntu machines, can't promise on any other flavour!
[12:09] <brendan-> no luck with the --help. options for that are (-h/--help, -p/--package-names, --human-readable, and --security-updates-unattended)
[12:11] <brendan-> fair enough chmac
[12:11] <brendan-> i got modules like that as well
[12:12] <brendan-> as long as it works
[12:12] <brendan-> can go back and refactor
[12:12] <chmac> brendan-: Ooh, maybe --security-updates-unattended is new, don't recognise it, which ubuntu version?
[12:12] <brendan-> 12.04.2
[12:12] <brendan->  --security-updates-unattended
[12:12] <brendan->                         Return the time in days when security updates are
[12:12] <brendan->                         installed unattended (0 means disabled)
[12:13] <chmac> brendan-: My bad, I have it, just ignored it
[12:13] <chmac> I thought it might actually install the updates
[12:18] <brendan-> the /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check --package-names is a big help though
[12:18] <brendan-> to at least see what types of things are pending updates
[12:18] <chmac> brendan-: Yeah, only challenge is that it doesn't separate security / regular updates
[12:18] <brendan-> true
[12:18] <brendan-> but ehh
[12:18] <chmac> brendan-: I generally ignore non security updates on our production machines
[12:19] <chmac> brendan-: Only way around that I can figure is by modifying the apt-check script, it's python I think
[12:19] <brendan-> yeah, looking at the script it is python
[12:23] <chmac> brendan-: If you find a way to get only the security updates, or if you're interested in collaborating on doing that, let me know
[12:24] <brendan-> i saw def isSecurityUpgrade(ver)
[12:24] <brendan-> in the script which is a function but its a matter of looking where that checks
[12:25] <brendan-> line 124
[12:25] <brendan-> then 136
[12:26] <brendan-> so its getting a list from somewhere then doing a comparison and doing a count
[13:17] <smoser> rbasak, correct.
[13:17] <smoser> it will screw up because of duplicate filesystem labeles
[13:39] <rbasak> smoser: is there any better way to get it not to do that, but still pass the image through so the guest can use it? For now, we're hotplugging the disk after the system has booted. I feel that there should be a better way, because passing an arbitrary disk image seems reasonable, even if it does have a conflicting label, provided we can flag it as such.
[13:39] <rbasak> smoser: nm, just seen #ubuntu-quality.
[13:58] <c^^c^^> For a 64 bit ubuntu server install any idea how much memory\space is consumed after install without running anything extra
[14:50] <worms> Does anyone know if there is a JeOS equivalent in the latest Ubuntu? I want a minimal server installation with no services running. I want to make a VM that people can download from my site and the smallest I am able to build now is about 800mb :(
[14:56] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Hey, if i wanted a python 2to3 conversion lint test for all *.py files in charms.. would you be the right person to poke?
[14:57] <marcoceppi> Daviey: you mean an automatic 2to3 conversion test in the jenkins testing scheme?
[14:57] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Testing that conversion cleanly happens
[14:58] <marcoceppi> Daviey: Me or mims would be good to talk to, but mims is on vacation
[14:59] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Ok, great - i think you will rock my world
[14:59] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Basically, we want to make sure that all *.py files in charms cleanly convert.. for when we move to 3 in the future
[14:59] <marcoceppi> Daviey: Sounds simple enough
[14:59] <bcessa> hi, good day, just a quick question, can someone please recommend a good PCI approved network scan program/package?
[15:00] <marcoceppi> worms: have you considered using the cloud images? I'm not sure about nothing running an services at startup but theyr'e about 200MB in size
[15:00] <jcastro> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/
[15:00] <jcastro> they are pretty stripped down
[15:00] <worms> I will have a look. Thanks!
[15:03] <marcoceppi> Daviey: so we can add a task to the charmtester to make it an arbitrary job, or I can make a juju plugin that just attempts a 2to3 conversion on all .py #! python files
[15:03] <marcoceppi> Daviey: what are the requirements you had for this?
[15:03] <zul> marcoceppi:  umm...what?
[15:04] <zul> Daviey:  2to3 is a nice tool but it doesnt catch everything
[15:05] <marcoceppi> s/2to3/whatever tool makes sense/
[15:05] <marcoceppi> It'd probably be something like 2to3 then run unit tests/functional tests in charm if they exist
[15:08] <Daviey> zul: Wat do you suggest?
[15:08] <Daviey> zul: I really just want a smoke test, if there is something better.. make it so :)
[15:09] <zul> Daviey:  i use python-modernize in conjunction with 2to3
[15:11] <Daviey> zul: can you work with marcoceppi to get this nailed? :)
[15:11] <zul> Daviey:  uh...i only got the tail end what do you want to do?
[15:12] <marcoceppi> zul: Daviey so the tool to run is a bit irrelevant, the method it what's more important to me. Do you invision doing a one-off run or do you want it part of the regular daily charmtester stuff?
[15:12] <marcoceppi> a bit irrelevant for me*
[15:18] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Either. Probably regular
[15:18] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Maybe just part of the lint tooling you are doing?
[15:19] <Daviey> Basically, an easy to identify status on conversion ability
[15:19] <Daviey> And impartiality, harder to regress
[15:19] <marcoceppi> Daviey: I'm not doing any lint tooling directly, more like testing-helpers
[15:20] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Hmm, that could be it
[15:20] <marcoceppi> Daviey: So charmtester will be getting an overhaul after this week, I'll keep this in mind and just add a job to test all python files based on zul's recommended methods for linting 2to3
[15:20] <marcoceppi> charmtester == jenkins
[15:21] <zul> Daviey/marcoceppi:  porting python charms should be pretty easy shouldnt it? its not like they are overly complicated
[15:21] <zul> (or shouldnt be)
[15:21] <marcoceppi> zul: well, a good portion of charms are pretty straight forward, but some can be quite complex
[15:22] <zul> marcoceppi:  true
[15:22] <marcoceppi> Identifying conversion problems will provide more visability to charm authors of what they need to fix
[15:22] <Daviey> right!
[15:23] <Daviey> chmod +x, isn't hard to do.. but seems people forget :)
[15:25] <zul> Daviey:  like disabling a patch before a build and then forgetting to re-enable it after?
[15:26] <Daviey> zul: who would possibly do such a thing? :)
[15:26] <zul> Daviey:  surprising it happens a lot
[15:27] <Daviey> zul: Are you ready to cry?
[15:28] <zul> Daviey:  yes
[15:29] <Daviey> zul: pep8 has been refreshed, as policy.  Which means that openstack will need a pretty big refresh, i suspect :)
[15:29] <Daviey> http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/fb24c80e9afb
[15:30] <zul> Daviey:  something to push and increase our contributions ;)
[15:31] <Daviey> zul: nah, don't need that.
[15:32] <zul> Daviey:  well they use flake8 now which uses pep8 (i think) so the point is mute
[15:32] <zul> and we dont run the pep8 tests anymore during the builds eitther
[15:34] <smoser> marcoceppi, i had a TODO item that i just remembered....
[15:34] <smoser> adam_g, also maybe important to you.
[15:35] <smoser> we're writing charms in python, right? (ie, the openstack charm cleanup)
[15:35] <smoser> if we're writing new code, we really need to be making sure that that new code is python3 functional.
[15:35] <smoser> are we doing that ?
[15:37] <Daviey> zul: right, but flake8 will be refreshed.  And agreed, it's an upstream issue, not a package building issue
[15:39] <marcoceppi> smoser: I think that's Daviey's point. Check the charms for python3 compat
[15:41] <marcoceppi> However, this is important. I don't think python3 compat is that important.
[15:42] <smoser> well, it sort of is.
[15:42] <marcoceppi> Charms do whatever they want, as long as there is a python2.x in the archives an install hook could easily install it if written in a language that installed by default
[15:43] <smoser> at some point in the not so distant future, the "How can I get /usr/bin/ruby in the image to write charms in ruby", will also apply to '/usr/bin/python'
[15:43] <marcoceppi> Are you moving to python3 default in the next LTS
[15:43] <marcoceppi> s/are you/are we/
[15:43] <marcoceppi> ?
[15:43] <smoser> i suspect that we will not be completely rid of python in images in 14.04. but i would like to be.
[15:44] <smoser> but its not so much that you can pick any language you want to write charms in
[15:44] <smoser> (thats acceptable / a-good-thing)
[15:44] <marcoceppi> smoser: Oh. This is a more interesting issue. So really we need to address the "How can I preinstall packages needed for hook exec"
[15:44] <smoser> its that at this point in the history of the world, writing *new code* that is not python3 compatible is a-bad-thing.
[15:45] <marcoceppi> smoser: Right, I think it should be considered a best-practice for those writing hooks in python. I'd be interested to see the results of the constant checking
[15:45] <marcoceppi> Not sure I'd make it a physical blocker for charms anytime soon though
[15:46] <smoser> i personally dont care about anyones efforts other than canonical's here.
[15:46] <smoser> ignoring that now costs money later.
[15:46] <smoser> if that is someone elses money, i dont care :)
[15:46] <zul> smoser:  its still going to be a long while until openstakc is python3 compat
[15:46] <marcoceppi> smoser: right, I'm just thinking from a charm community pov
[15:47] <smoser> so its just somethign to be aware of.
[15:47] <marcoceppi> smoser: ack
[15:47] <smoser> even if 14.04 has /usr/bin/python
[15:47] <smoser> 14.10 or 15.04 probably doesnt.
[15:47] <smoser> and 16.04 does not.
[15:47] <smoser> (by default)
[15:47] <marcoceppi> right, so for 14.04, that's important for us since we're writing charms against LTS by default
[15:48] <smoser> barry may have significantly strong feelings that differ with my statements above :)
[15:57] <Daviey> marcoceppi: I am expecting stock ubuntu images to be python3 only for 14.04, but many non-default packages easiy pull it in.
[15:57] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Our strategy to convert to py3 is mostly around making sure we have supporting for auto-conversion
[15:58] <Daviey> So, we need to make sure that autoconversion has some basic lint testing
[15:58] <rbasak> Breaks/Replaces issue with /usr/bin/juju? Bug 1206539.
[15:58] <marcoceppi> Daviey: Right, but we made the mistake from oneiric -> precise where we just pushed all the charms forward. We likely won't be doing that this time. Instead having authors manually re-submit for the next LTS
[15:58] <smoser> Daviey, cloud-init is the biggest thing that i'm aware of.
[15:58] <marcoceppi> This could be part of that process though
[15:58] <Daviey> marcoceppi: For reference, upstream openstack is now gating on py3.3 compatibility.. We are pretty near the py3 switch :)
[15:59] <marcoceppi> It'll be at least a week before I can take a look at this, but when I do I'll just have an extra jenkins job run so we can start gathering data
[15:59] <Daviey> marcoceppi: Hmm, I want a BIG warning if auto conversion isn't looking clean
[15:59] <Daviey> marcoceppi: What do you mean by, "we made the mistake from oneiric -> precise where we just pushed all the charms forward" ?
[16:00] <TheLordOfTime> purely curious: anyone here with substantial experience with packaging and packages know how Debian package policy violations are handled in Ubuntu?P
[16:02] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: best to mention a specific bug really
[16:02] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1206878
[16:03] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  also privmsg'd the bug to you
[16:04] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: looks about right :-P
[16:04] <rbasak> TheLordOfTime: we can cherry-pick that patch if it matters, otherwise pick it up from Debian on the next merge/sync?
[16:04] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  at this point, there's a patch in Debian that was adopted and probably is usable, the only thing I need to worry about right now is getting the bug to Triaged/[SomePriority]
[16:04] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  this affects Precise
[16:04] <TheLordOfTime> AFAICT...
[16:04] <TheLordOfTime> Found in version nginx/1.2.0-1
[16:04] <TheLordOfTime> Fixed in version nginx/1.2.1-1
[16:04] <rbasak> Looks like it needs an SRU then :)
[16:04] <TheLordOfTime> ^ from Debian BTS
[16:04] <TheLordOfTime> shut up you bot
[16:05] <TheLordOfTime> rbasak:  what about the bug priority?
[16:05] <mgw> If I set up dhcp peers, will they share lease information? Or does the peer system just keep all but one of the peers from responding to lease requests?
[16:05] <TheLordOfTime> I'll handle the SRU after i'm back from vacation, but right now I"d like to set that to Triaged/[somepriority] and I'm unsure of the relationship between level of the violation and ubuntu bug priority
[16:06] <rbasak> IMHO, it's not really about the level of policy violation, especially for a stable release. The priority should be based on the impact it has to real users.
[16:07] <rbasak> t's subjective, I'd go with Medium, since it's not going to affect that many real users, as it's an edge case.
[16:07] <rbasak> Thanks for volunteering for the SRU!
[16:08]  * SpamapS raises the bug to Critical
[16:08] <SpamapS> throwing peoples' configs away == Critical
[16:08]  * patdk-wk raises a beer
[16:08] <TheLordOfTime> ^ that
[16:09] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  while you're there, you able to approve the Precise nomination?
[16:09] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: somebody did :)
[16:09] <TheLordOfTime> cool.
[16:11] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  note: 1.2.1-2 was in Quantal and the fix in Debian was in 1.2.1-1 so Quantal and later are Fix Released
[16:11] <TheLordOfTime> (bug set as such)
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  no harm in setting "In Progress" and assigning myself, then sitting on my hands until I'm back at home to create the SRU, right?
[16:14] <TheLordOfTime> (you can expect me to ask for sponsoring :P)
[16:16] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: the only harm is that nobody else can work on it whiel you sit on your hands.
[16:17] <patdk-wk> your hands really that cold?
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> hehe
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  honestly, i'll have a debdiff soon enough, probably before i'm home from vacation...
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> but the internet on my phone is so flaky here... I'm not sure it'll be uploaded until two days from now
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> when i'm either at a hotel with good wifi or already at home
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> (flaky wifi is flaky)
[16:18] <SpamapS> good hotel wifi is flaky. :(
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> SpamapS:  premium hotel wifi at a four star hotel, costing $9.99 for 24 hours with a consistent 54Mbps downspeed is flaky?
[16:18] <TheLordOfTime> o.O
[16:21] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: They're getting better all the time at the good ones.
[16:21] <SpamapS> TheLordOfTime: for a long time the 4-star's were worse than the 2-star's
[16:22] <SpamapS> It was like, best western was giving me 10Mbits but the Hilton wouldn't even give me enough wifi signal.
[16:53] <zul> roaksoax/adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/refresh/+merge/178127
[17:45] <zul> roaksoax: refreshed https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/refresh/+merge/177898
[18:09] <lightweight> Evening! I just installed a new nic. I doesnt light up, but ifconfig displays eth0 eth1 eth2. What to do?
[18:10] <lightweight> added a new one that is, I didnt replace my old card.
[18:11] <sarnold> lightweight: try another wire? try another port on the switch?
[18:12] <lightweight> sarnold: both wire and port on switch worked fine yesterday on another computer, same goes for the NiC
[18:12] <lightweight> as you understand, Ive moved this stuff to a new computer now
[18:12] <sarnold> lightweight: re-seat the nic in the computer?
[18:21] <genii> Maybe check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules  to see which of them are getting what designations of eth0 eth1, eth2 and so on
[18:22] <sarnold> heh, he pinged out, wonder if he was ircing from that machine?
[18:30] <genii> Probably
[19:58] <mgw> If I set up dhcp peers, will they share lease information? Or does the peer system just keep all but one of the peers from responding to lease requests?
[20:32] <Bilge> I'm trying to install mongo extension into PHP after upgrading to 5.5 but it's looking in the wrong place, or it installed the shared object to the wrong place
[20:32] <Bilge> I get PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20121212/mongo.so'
[20:33] <Bilge> Sure enough it's not in that location, it's in /usr/lib/php5/20100525/ instead
[20:33] <Bilge> But I don't understand what those date folders mean or where they're configured
[20:35] <Bilge> OK figured it out ;3
[20:37] <memus> you did pecl install again?
[20:45] <Bilge> Yes, but also php5-dev
[20:45] <Bilge> Both are needed to be updated
[20:46] <memus> good to know. Iḿ gonna upgrade next wekk. :)
[20:46] <memus> *week+
[22:17] <ssfdre38> is there a way to track e-mail messages being sent from or from what user?
[22:28] <sarnold> ssfdre38: I expect so, which email server are you using?
[22:28] <ssfdre38> sendmail
[22:37] <sarnold> heh, the section on logging in the sendmail manual is surprisingly short. :/
[22:38] <sarnold> ssfdre38: if you don't get the information you need in the logs by turning up the logging level, you might be able to get there by using a milter.
[23:13] <Brian21> Hi Everybody!
[23:15] <Brian21> I would like help with drbd.
[23:17] <Brian21>  Starting DRBD resources                                                                                [ d(r0) 0: Failure: (104) Can not open backing device
[23:40] <multiHYP> hi
[23:41] <multiHYP> can someone help me please get the gui running on my server?
[23:41] <multiHYP> I have a vac, installed ubuntu-desktop too, but gnome-classic fails to run via lightdm and startx cannot even start.
[23:41] <multiHYP> *vnc
[23:43] <sarnold> multiHYP: investigate xvfb
[23:45] <multiHYP> what is xvfb?
[23:47] <multiHYP> sarnold: can you elaborate?
[23:47] <sarnold> multiHYP: xvfb is an X server that does not require hardware to function. it might be just the thing for you, if you want to use vnc.
[23:47] <multiHYP> my internet is in 1 word, crap (china like crap) without going into too much details.
[23:47] <sarnold> multiHYP: oh man :(
[23:48] <multiHYP> i would really like to use what I already have installed
[23:48] <multiHYP> i.e. ubuntu's own desktop
[23:48] <Patrickdk> without going into detail? you just well
[23:48] <sarnold> hey Patrickdk :)
[23:49] <Brian21> hi everyone!
[23:49] <multiHYP> well I'm behind a firewall that blocks proxies and vpns
[23:49] <multiHYP> so if this gui works might be my only chance of checking some banking stuff.
[23:49] <Brian21> can any one can help with drb?
[23:49] <Patrickdk> Brian21, till you state the issue, not really
[23:51] <Brian21> Basically I followed this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/drbd.html and get the following error
[23:52] <Brian21>   [ d(r0) 0: Failure: (104) Can not open backing device.
[23:53] <Patrickdk> do your disks actaully exist?
[23:53] <Patrickdk> and did you skip step 4?
[23:53] <sarnold> Brian21: what command did you run that you got that error?
[23:54] <Brian21> sudo /etc/init.d/drbd  start
[23:54] <sarnold> Brian21: did you execute step 4 on both servers?
[23:55] <Brian21> yes
[23:55] <Brian21> no errors
[23:56] <sarnold> Brian21: can you paste the drbd.conf file that you used to a pastebin? (redact the secrets if you need to)
[23:57] <Brian21> yes
[23:59] <Brian21> Sarnold, here's the link http://paste.ubuntu.com/5938163/
[23:59] <Patrickdk> the whole disk?