[00:46] <Guest35858> need some help... when ever i minimize something it totaly dissapears from the taskbar... i have to restart the app
[00:46] <Guest35858> any help?
[00:47] <marloshouse> i just upgraded to ubuntu 10 and kde has lost all menus and mouse clicking.  mouse movement still works, but everything else is gone.  is there a file/folder i can delete to get everything to reset?
[00:54] <Typos_King> ..
[00:54] <Typos_King> marloshouse:    maybe if you delete your account, and make a new one :)
[00:56] <marloshouse> oey
[00:56] <marloshouse> i deleted ~/.kde and it didn't clear anything up
[00:57] <marloshouse> maybe i'll make a new account and see what difference that makes :)
[00:57] <Typos_King> heh, ok
[01:36] <gonssal> hi
[01:37] <Typos_King> allo
[01:38] <Ampersand> Ohhh yeah
[01:39] <hceylan> does any1 experience some memory leak in kde?
[01:40] <hceylan> After like working for 8 hours I loose 1G of memory. That is after loging out and logging back in to kde
[01:40] <hceylan> so no any app is running
[01:40] <hceylan> my bare kde desktop
[01:40] <Ampersand> you sure its not system cache?
[01:40] <hceylan> yes
[01:40] <hceylan> the calculation is after used - cache
[01:41] <hceylan> and top reports about 700M total RSS usage
[01:41] <hceylan> acutaly free reports 1.4 G usage
[01:42] <Typos_King> maybe is just cached memory
[01:43] <Ampersand> maybe the memory fairy came and took it away ;p
[01:43] <Ampersand> interesting though
[01:43] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:43] <Typos_King> well
[01:44] <gonssal> how do you remove the "Auto eth0" thing from the network manager?
[01:44] <gonssal> or at least set another one to default?
[01:44] <Typos_King> from what I can tell is, he really dunnos if memory is actually gone, he's just assessing what the memory apps are reporting
[01:45] <progre55> I hate the stupid knetworkmanager
[01:45] <progre55> how do you disconnect from a wireless connection?
[01:45] <Ampersand> Typos_King: thats what the memory fairy does
[01:45] <Ampersand> ;p
[01:46] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:46] <progre55> hmm.. it really is stupid
[01:48] <gonssal> not possible to remove autho eth0 from knetwork manager?
[01:48] <progre55> gonssal: did you try opening "manage connections"?
[01:49] <gonssal> its not here
[01:49] <gonssal> there
[01:49] <gonssal> and you cant set another one for default
[01:49] <gonssal> even if i ask it to connect automatically to a created connection, it still connects to auto eth0 on start
[01:50] <progre55> hmm.. yeah, I dont see any either
[01:50] <progre55> damn, knetworkmanager is the only (for now) thing I hate about kde..
[01:51] <ald0bar> algun mexicano ?????????????
[01:53] <Typos_King> progre55:    ahe...  to the risk of sounding redundant, I'd say, ditch knetworkmanager and install -> network-manager-gnome
[01:54] <Typos_King> as far as using that one, you just right-click it and click on 'enable wireless'
[01:55] <progre55> Typos_King: so, have you been using the gnome nmanager?
[01:55] <Typos_King> yes
[01:56] <Typos_King> is what  I'm using right now :)
[01:56] <progre55> actually, I have gnome+kde, so I do have network-manager-gnome installed..
[01:56] <progre55> so I just need to remove knetworkmanager from startup and replace it with the gnome one..
[01:56] <Ampersand> progre55:  underwear gnomes?
[01:56] <Typos_King> I've used in the paste knetworkmanager, then I check around for others, as it didn't seem great, the reviews and as I tested, is gnome's is really a much better app
[01:57] <progre55> Ampersand: funny
[01:57] <Typos_King> it's network manager for that matter, otherwise I use most kde apps, thus I run kde :)
[01:57] <progre55> Typos_King: well, I'll switch to the gnome nm, too..
[01:58] <Typos_King> well
[01:58] <Typos_King> to run it, if it's installed already, just run 'nm-applet'
[01:58] <Typos_King> it'll show up in the tray
[01:59] <progre55> yeah I know
[01:59] <progre55> but I want to add it to startup
[01:59] <progre55> is it okay if I just add it to system-settings > advanced > auto-start?
[02:00] <progre55> and how to remove knetworkmanager from startup w/o uninstalling it?
[02:01] <progre55> Typos_King: ^^
[02:03] <progre55> arright, I'm off
[02:06] <Typos_King> yes
[02:06] <Typos_King> I was going to say that :)
[02:06] <Typos_King> I think knetworkmanager has an option in it, to run at startup
[02:07] <Ampersand> Eiigh have gas.
[02:11] <Ampersand> wb hceylan
[02:11] <hceylan> hi there, still 1.5G
[02:12] <Ampersand> after logging into gnome????
[02:12] <hceylan> As the last resort I will do init 1 and check the memory usage when I am in runlevel 1
[02:12] <Ampersand> well do that and see
[02:12] <hceylan> this will make sure no gui stuff is running
[02:12] <Ampersand> but it isnt kde :)
[02:12] <Ampersand> it could be DX
[02:12] <Ampersand> X
[02:12] <hceylan> and only left with basic processes like dbus, kernel
[02:12] <hceylan> OK going off again...
[02:13] <Ampersand> X would have more mem holes than a wedge of  swiss cheese
[02:20] <hceylan> Ampersand: I am back
[02:20] <Ampersand> ok
[02:20] <Ampersand> ill be there in a sec
[02:20] <Ampersand> im in mysql hell right now
[02:21] <hceylan> when I did init 1 I was using only 4 processes that reports memory usage not 0
[02:21] <hceylan> but still 1.5G usage
[02:21] <hceylan> Ampersand: I can help you if you like with mysql
[02:21] <hceylan> Ampersand: I am a mysql expert ;)
[02:21] <Ampersand> thats ok..  i gots it :)
[02:21] <Ampersand> thanks tho
[02:21] <hceylan> So the problem is definitely a leak in the kernel I believe
[02:22] <hceylan> AFAIK, if the leak was in a process, when the process dies, the memory is totally reclaimed by the kernel
[02:23] <hceylan> So if it is not reclamed after everything is shut off (err except the kernel), probably the problem relies in Linus's domain :)
[02:24] <hceylan> I should create a bugzilla with Kubuntu...
[02:24] <hceylan> Ampersand: thanks for the help man
[02:25] <hceylan> Ampersand: have a nice one...
[02:25] <Ampersand> a leak in the kernel is odd
[02:25] <Ampersand> what happend?
[02:25] <Ampersand> 4 processes
[02:25] <Ampersand> 1.5G sounds like youve been hacked
[02:25] <Ampersand> like a root kitted kernel
[02:30] <funcrush> I upgraded kubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04, and then, Konsole shortcut (hotkey) doesn't work, (I set it Meta+K) How can I solve it?
[02:46] <sorush20> hi
[02:47] <sorush20> I have a problem, I've just logged into kde for the first time but I can't see the menu or e
[02:48] <iconmefisto> funcrush: systemsettings > input actions
[02:49] <funcrush> iconmefisto: yup..
[02:49] <what_if> I updated kubuntu 10.04 yesterday and now my quick launch opens konqueror instead of dolphin... how can I fix this? There was no choice of FM in the settings.
[02:49] <Anyday> im using the 10.04 live cd trying to install kubuntu and when it gets to the disk partition it shows a raid array but i do not have one setup just 2 1tb drives, one which has another distro on it.
[02:49] <Anyday> any idea if there is a boot option not to load raid?
[02:50] <iconmefisto> what_if: look in systemsettings > default applications
[02:51] <Lord_Rahl> anyone know of a music manager for KDE other then amarok?
[02:51] <funcrush> iconmefisto: thank you I found it!!!
[02:51] <what_if> iconmefisto: tyvm... that was it.
[02:53] <Lord_Rahl> so no one know of a differnt music manager? hhmmm
[02:53] <iconmefisto> Lord_Rahl: juk
[02:54] <iconmefisto> Lord_Rahl: minirok
[02:55] <Lord_Rahl> iconmefisto: thanks I will check them out
[03:04] <ch3mtail> After installing packages with apt-get or dpkg, entries appear in the start menu, but they don't show up on typing into the search field of the menu.  Is there a manual way of getting the search function to update? (I've disabled strigi/nepomuk, if that matters).
[03:08] <volty> hi, help, I wanted to give a look at xfce, it installed splash screen, modified /boot/grub directory, how can I fix this ?
[03:09] <volty> and the dir is full of .mod files
[03:14] <iconmefisto> ch3mtail: kbuildsycoca (in konsole)
[03:15] <ch3mtail> Ah, thanks.
[03:15] <iconmefisto> volty: you want to change the boot splash back to the kubuntu one?
[03:16] <iconmefisto> ch3mtail: actually it's kbuildsycoca4, but it probably does the same without the 4
[03:17] <ch3mtail> Yeah, I just saw that kbuildsycoca was trying to call dcop and figured it belonged to KDE3
[03:17] <volty> iconmefisto: yes, but also to roll back changes it did in the grub directory, it made everything ubuntu
[03:18] <volty> iconmefisto: and how it did that? I didn't gave sudo password
[03:18] <iconmefisto> volty: made what ubuntu?
[03:18] <volty> iconmefisto: menus
[03:18] <iconmefisto> sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth to choose the boot splash
[03:18] <volty> no menu.lst but grub.cfg, not kubuntu but ubuntu
[03:19] <iconmefisto> then sudo update-grub
[03:19] <volty> my uname -a now says: Linux zat 2.6.32-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 13:27:30 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:19] <iconmefisto> volty: grub2 doesn't use menu.lst
[03:19] <volty> iconmefisto: ah, thx
[03:20] <iconmefisto> !grub2
[03:21] <iconmefisto> volty: sorry, got that wrong. after sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth, sudo update-initramfs
[03:23] <volty> iconmefisto: thx, got it. Another question: they (xfce) shouln't do it (changing splash screen or whatever not requested) ?
[03:24] <iconmefisto> volty: boot splash gets changed when you install a *-desktop package
[03:24] <iconmefisto> volty: maybe file a bug if you think it shouldn't do that
[03:25] <volty> iconmefisto: i'll do that, thx :)
[03:33] <Ampersand> why is my steam engine not working
[03:33] <Ampersand> i was told kubuntu was supposed to come with one
[03:33] <iconmefisto> needs coal?
[03:33] <Ampersand> yes
[03:33] <Ampersand> and a few vacuum tubes
[03:33] <Ampersand> for the crew cabins tv
[03:37]  * Ampersand gives Barridus a trophy
[03:38] <Barridus> :O
[03:39]  * Barridus bows
[03:39] <Barridus> thank you, thank you all
[03:39]  * Ampersand appaulds
[03:39] <Ampersand> WTG!!
[03:39] <Ampersand> congrats!
[03:41] <Ampersand> hi phoenix__
[03:41] <phoenix__> hello Ampersand
[03:41] <Ampersand> did you know my avatar is an ampersand
[03:42] <phoenix__> Ampersand: oh
[03:42] <Ampersand> phoenix__:  did you know you are on irc?
[03:43] <phoenix__> Ampersand: you sound like a bot
[03:43] <Ampersand> phoenix__:  oh.
[03:43] <Ampersand> phoenix__:  you are junior
[04:26] <walrus10> hola
[04:43] <Ampersand> hola coma estas espaniol?
[04:45] <ch3mtail> Al agua sobre casi todo tipo de materiales matiéres.
[04:46] <ch3mtail> Actually, I'm just reading stuff off the label of my permanent marker, but it sounds impressive unless you actually understand it.
[04:47] <Ampersand> well
[04:47] <Ampersand> to the water!
[04:47] <Ampersand> on allmost all types of materials
[04:48] <ch3mtail> Plasma is tricky, but doable.
[04:52] <Ampersand> nah.. plama just makes you implement for the most part your own paint event
[04:59] <kwtm> Hi. Ran out of disk space, need to empty trash can.  Where is KDE4 trash directory located?  Already checked "~/Trash" and "~/.kde/share/apps/trash" etc.  Thx for urgently needed help.
[04:59] <ch3mtail> heh
[05:01] <ch3mtail> kwtm: I think it's ~/.local/share/Trash/files/  these days
[05:03] <ch3mtail> kwtm: If you have admin access you could try 'sudo apt-get autoremove' (to remove installed packages that are no longer required by anything on the system) and 'sudo apt-get autoclean' (to remove caches of downloaded packages that have been installed (it will not uninstall the packages)).
[05:03] <ch3mtail> Might clear a lot of space, all depending.
[05:03] <alexandrecs> tem algue ae?
[05:03] <kwtm> ch3mtail: Thx for responding.  I just checked it.  Directory is emjpty
[05:04] <alexandrecs> tem alguem q fale português?
[05:04] <kwtm> ch3mtail: I used "du -s" on a parent directory, and it's not .local/share/Trash.
[05:04] <Ampersand> no thank you kwtm
[05:04] <ch3mtail> kwtm: Don't take my word for it, I just had a quick look around in my home folder and that was the only trash folder I found
[05:05] <kwtm> ch3mtail: Thanks for suggestgion of deleting packages.  However, I have 4 GB of files in 4 files that are no longer necessary, and I really don't want to have to autoclean and beg and plead (my computer) to scrape up that much free space when I know I should have over 4GB free.
[05:05] <ch3mtail> Ah, I see :)
[05:05] <kwtm> Ampersand: No thank you?  I didn't offer anything... :P
[05:06] <ch3mtail> He's weird.
[05:06] <kwtm> Thx.  Will look for other ways.  Will sleep now (feeling ill).  Thx for straightforward help without RTFM.  Bye!
[05:07] <Ampersand> kwtm: i was thanking you for no reason :)
[05:07] <ch3mtail> I've been wondering about the trash folder myself at times, even though I don't use it, but so far the only viable candidates are ~/.Trash and the aforementioned ~/.local/share/Trash  :/
[05:20] <jacostach> hi all people :D
[05:20] <jacostach> mi first msg :D
[05:27] <marloshouse> i just upgraded to ubuntu 10 and kde has lost all menus and mouse clicking.  mouse movement still works, but everything else is gone.  is there a file/folder i can delete to get everything to reset?
[05:28] <jacostach>  i don't knowhow to use this  :P
[05:28] <jacostach> byeeeee
[05:31] <jacostach_> alquien q hable español ?
[05:33]  * jacostach_ Hola a todos :D
[06:08] <angelo> i have a problem with audio: when i start ubuntu, audio is mute
[06:09] <Fuzz> Did you install the right drivers?
[06:11] <angelo> i have this device: Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[06:46] <Dux> the vga port doesn't work in my netbook (kubuntu netbook remix 10.04 installed) :(
[06:46] <mustafa> ??
[06:58] <ForgeAus> Dux normally theres a key combo to switch to it if you didn't alredy know
[06:58] <ForgeAus> (something like Fn + F3 or so depending on the brand)
[06:59] <ForgeAus> some can switch between modes like LCD, VGA, VGA + LCD...
[07:00] <ForgeAus> also if the hardware of the port is damaged its not a kubuntu issue...
[07:00] <Dux> i know it, (alt f5); usually it works in ubuntu netbook remix
[07:00] <ForgeAus> another thing to look at is if X needs a different config for that...
[07:00] <Dux> but doesn't work in kubuntu :(
[07:00] <ForgeAus> it is plausible that its a bug in kubuntu...
[07:01] <ForgeAus> alt? really? thats odd
[07:01] <Dux> sorry.. fn+f5
[07:02] <ForgeAus> yeah sounds lots more likely :)
[07:03] <ForgeAus> wow adobe flex is open-source?
[07:03] <ForgeAus> (as opposed to foss perhaps)
[07:17] <mefistofel> hi all
[07:53] <heavybreaker> Hi Ummm is anyone having problems with Google Chrome not loading webpages on kubuntu 10.04?
[07:57] <heavybreaker> Anyone?
[08:08] <heavybreaker> Hi Ummm is anyone having problems with Google Chrome not loading webpages on kubuntu 10.04?
[08:59] <Hazamonzo> This is a silly question but.... in need to find out what version of kubuntu 10.04 im running x86 or x64.. How might i do this?
[09:00] <WindPower> dpkg --print-architecture
[09:00] <Hazamonzo> amd64
[09:00] <Hazamonzo> Thank you :D
[09:00] <WindPower> Tada~
[09:00] <Hazamonzo> I honestly could not remember
[09:01] <Hazamonzo> Sounds stupid
[09:02] <anyday> anyone have any ideas why the kubuntu installer cant see my 2 sata drives? they show up as an array but there are not setup as raid
[09:18] <TheAncientGoat> Where does lucid store it's default swappiness? /etc/sysctl.conf doesnt seem to mention it....
[09:28] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[09:29] <phoenix__> i like to configure alsa to get bass redirected can anyone help me
[09:53] <Juniksz> Hello. Does anyone know why doesn't start the kubuntu 10.04 with the 2.6.32-22-generic version? The system loads, the graphical interface aren't displayed, only the tty2 console surface. I can use the system only with the 2.6.32-21-generic version.
[10:23] <Kimppa> I need to downgrade my jdk and jre from 6 to 5, but v5 isn't in the repository. Any ideas from which repository I could find it?
[10:28] <Fleck> can i install kde 3.5 on kubuntu 10.04?
[10:32] <tsimpson> Fleck: see http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/
[10:32] <Fleck> tsimpson thank you! :)
[10:32] <tsimpson> and note that KDE 3.5.x is completely unsupported, both by Kubuntu and KDE
[10:32] <tsimpson> so it's at your own risk etc
[10:37] <Fleck> tsimpson well, i would like to use kde 4, but i am tired of lags, slowdowns etc...
[10:38] <Fleck> writing code in kwrite... simple thing, but moving with page down/up make 100% cpu usage lags so badly
[10:38] <Fleck> :(
[10:38] <Fleck> sick of this
[10:39] <Fleck> trying to install recomended nvidia drivers - getting error: Reconfiguring X.org video drivers is not possible: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid.
[10:41] <ucenik01> strumica
[12:32] <casi36> hi alle
[12:36] <JediMaster-> hi guys, running 10.04 LTS, this is the second time this has happened in the last few weeks. The mouse and keyboard have locked up but the machine is still running
[12:37] <JediMaster-> I cannot move the mouse, the cursor stays still, the keyboard doesn't do anything (ctrl-alt-f1 for instance doesn't bring up the console, and num-lock or caps lock don't go on)
[12:37] <kwtm> hi.  I have a different problem: I removed the system tray, then reinserted it onto another panel I created.  But it's missing that "USB"-like icon that tells me when some media has been inserted (e.g. DVD or SD card).  How can I get it back?
[12:37] <JediMaster-> the machine is still working, I can hear streaming radio from firefox playing, and until the powersaving just kicked in, I cold see cursor flashing and animations running
[12:37] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Hmm, sounds like you're worse off than I am.  Might be a hardware problem overall... I trust that everything was fine before you upgraded to 10.04?
[12:38] <JediMaster-> I'm sshed into the machine from my laptop, what can I do to get the keyboard/mouse back?
[12:38] <JediMaster-> kwtm, I upgraded weeks ago, and yeah, not had this problem before
[12:38] <kwtm> JediMaster-: So, you can't use the KDE GUI, but you have the bash shell from a remote terminal, correct?
[12:38] <JediMaster-> there's nothing unusual in /var/log/syslog at the time it happened
[12:38] <JediMaster-> yes
[12:39] <JediMaster-> I also can't get to tty1 console with ctrl-alt-f1
[12:39] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Does Ctrl-Shift-F1 let you switch to another terminal?  (Or was it Ctrl-Alt-F1?  Can't rmemeber).
[12:39] <JediMaster-> ctrl-alt-f1
[12:39] <JediMaster-> no
[12:40] <JediMaster-> there is still power to both the keyboard and mouse (lights are on)
[12:40] <kwtm> JediMaster-: I had similar problems but the entire GUI went away, when I tried playing BZflag (which hogs the screen graphics, and may be interfering with compositing).
[12:40] <JediMaster-> both are usb
[12:40] <JediMaster-> kwtm, no, it's not that as I could see animations still working correctly
[12:40] <JediMaster-> it's just like the keyboard/mouse have been disconnected
[12:40] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Oh, so it could conceivably be a USB problem.  Do you want to try VNC'ing into the machine GUI or is that too complicated?
[12:40] <JediMaster-> speaking of which, going to pull them out/back in
[12:40] <kwtm> JediMaster-: SImple thought: remove, then reconnect peripherals?
[12:41] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Your thought was quicker than mine. :)
[12:41] <JediMaster-> read above
[12:41] <JediMaster-> =)
[12:41] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Also try connecting peripherals to other machine, verify that they still work (just to eliminate one unlikely but easily eliminated possibility)
[12:41] <JediMaster-> ok, that didn't work
[12:42] <JediMaster-> trying the mouse on this laptop....
[12:42] <kwtm> I can sort of guide you through getting VNC set up on your semi-crashed machine and see if you can get into the GUI from the remote machine.
[12:42] <kwtm> Is it that you want to diagnose the problem, or you have data to save from this particular GUI session that you don't want to destroy?
[12:42] <JediMaster-> mouse works on here
[12:42] <JediMaster-> can't get into gui from remote machine
[12:42] <kwtm> If you just want to diagnose the problem, I don't know what it means to have VNC working so you might as well reboot or something.
[12:43] <JediMaster-> data is mostly ok, would like to diagnose it
[12:43] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Have you already tried VNC from remote machine?
[12:43] <JediMaster-> don't have vnc server installed/running
[12:43] <kwtm> want to know how?  I can do it through text terminal (sudo apt-get install x11vnc, then run "x11vnc") and connect via KDE Krdc.
[12:44] <JediMaster-> how do you get x11vnc to connect to the running X via ssh?
[12:44] <kwtm> Ah, that is the key, little one!  (imagine a wizened old voice here. :) )
[12:44] <kwtm> SSh into the machine, and "sudo apt-get install x11vnc".  Then type "export DISPLAY=:0".
[12:45] <JediMaster-> think it's automatically picked the display
[12:45] <JediMaster-> yeah know how to install it =P
[12:45] <kwtm> That last line is key, which lets the newly installed x11vnc get into your currently running session.
[12:45] <kwtm> Then type x11vnc, and that's it.
[12:45] <JediMaster-> didn't need to export the display, it autodetected it
[12:45] <kwtm> On better days, you should actually tunnel the VNC connection through SSh, but today just to eliminate complications, just do a straight connection.
[12:46] <JediMaster-> ok, I'm in
[12:46] <kwtm> Once you have run "x11vnc" on server and it's waiting for a connection, you can use the built-in "Krdc" (K remote desktop connection) of KDE, or you can install tightvncviewer or something,.
[12:46] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Is the GUI responding?
[12:46] <JediMaster-> screen has come out of power saving
[12:46] <JediMaster-> yes
[12:46] <JediMaster-> only via VNC
[12:46] <JediMaster-> no keyboard/mouse
[12:47] <JediMaster-> (works via vnc)
[12:47] <kwtm> Okay, so we know it's a USB screwup then.  As I suspected, it's probably some hardware thing.  Hopefully they'll have a fix but I'm not sure how else I can help you here.
[12:47] <ForgeAus> RDP is a better protocol than VNC tho isn't it?
[12:47] <kwtm> Say, you know how to get that "usb icon" thing in KDE?
[12:48] <kwtm> ForgeAus: Possibly, but I am more familiar with VNC and the software author has been very responsive in answering questions.
[12:48] <thomasfuston> Aloha!, is there any known reason why kmail cant sent e-mails anymore, i getting always the same error
[12:48] <ForgeAus> (unfortunately xRDP runs via VNC however ... )
[12:48] <kwtm> I even gave the author of x11vnc a $30 donation, twice, because it was such good software.
[12:48] <kwtm> thomasfuston: Yes!  I know how to solve your problem (short term)l.
[12:49] <JediMaster-> says no devices plugged in, but don't think it shows the mouse/keyboard normally
[12:49] <kwtm> thomasfuston: Or at least I get a similar problem.  Seems to be when you have kmail open, then it goes into suspend to RAM (possibly to disk, too)
[12:49] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Can you do me a favour to help with my problem?  That "no devices plugged in" --what is the name of that widget?  I need a name to google to figure out how to put it back on my control panel.
[12:50] <kwtm> thomasfuston: Could you please do this: "ps -ef
[12:50] <thomasfuston> kwtm: na always tells me something wrong with the address rejected by server, but its impossible couse if i send it from webmail it works 100% so the mistake have to be in kmail
[12:50] <kwtm> thomasfuston: Could you please do this: "ps -ef | grep kmail" in a terminal?
[12:51] <kwtm> thomasfuston: It could be in Kmail or other parts of the KDE system... your problem may be a different one, but I'll just check to see if it's mine.  Go ahead with the ps -ef | grep kmail
[12:51] <JediMaster-> kwtm, Device Notifier
[12:51] <thomasfuston> kwtm: thomas    3837  1552  1 13:49 pts/2    00:00:00 grep --color=auto kmail
[12:51] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Thank you!  Will start googling.  I tell ya, this switch from KDE3 to KDE4 has me tearing my hair out.
[12:51] <JediMaster-> np
[12:52] <kwtm> thomasfuston: If there's only one line, then it's not my problem.  You may want to go to Kmail > Tools > Configure Kmail > Accounts > Sending > check what the server supports (if that button's still there).  I had problems where I set it to some level of encryption, and then it worked, then it didn't work later, then I had to set it to no encryption, then it failed again but worked when I turned encryption back on.
[12:53] <thomasfuston> kwtm: thx so far, i will try it, scary problem, if i not get it working i have to switch to thunderbird or something
[12:54] <kwtm> JediMaster-: It worked!  I was able to add Device Notifier!  Thanks.
[12:55] <kwtm> thomasfuston: Yeah, kmail is a very refined program that suddenly astonishes you with how very crappy a small portion of it is, and you say, "They haven't fixed THAT yet???"
[12:57] <kwtm> Oh, anyone: how do I make the panel at the bottom of the screen disappear for a while?  There are no longer those "hide panel" buttons that slide the panel out of sight when you want more space on the screen.
[12:57] <JediMaster-> autohide?
[12:58] <JediMaster-> click panel tool box button next to the clock on the right, then "more settings" then auto-hide
[13:00] <JediMaster-> meh, still no mouse/keyboard
[13:00] <JediMaster-> checking X11 log
[13:01] <JediMaster-> or rather Xorg.0.log
[13:02] <king> hello, it is my first time to use linux
[13:02] <king> it feel so cool
[13:03] <JediMaster-> king, welcome linux virgin!
[13:03] <king> thank you
[13:05] <ForgeAus> perhaps padawan might have been a better term to use...
[13:06] <kwtm> Welcome to Linux, king.  Now is a good time to use Kubuntu since this release is supposed to be much higher quality than the previous few.  Don't give up if you encounter problems.  Google or come here to this channel.
[13:06] <king> and it's my first time approach irc.
[13:07] <JediMaster-> ForgeAus, nah, there are more jokes you can make with virgin =)
[13:07] <ForgeAus> lol JediMaster-
[13:07] <Mamarok_> JediMaster-: maybe just not in this channel, remember, support only
[13:07] <king> thank you. i will pay more attention to linux
[13:08] <ForgeAus> kwtm I agree, this release is much higher quality... and well presented, except that its lacking some branding touches...
[13:08] <JediMaster-> Mamarok_, you'll notice how restrained I was
[13:09]  * JediMaster- still has a lack of keyboard/mouse operation
[13:09] <king> i am from chinese. and my english is so poor
[13:09] <kwtm> Hey, Mamarok_ is here.  Know how to make the panel (at bottom of screen in Kubuntu) disappear on command?  (I don't want to use autohide since most of the time I still want the panel present.)  There used to be buttons with triangles in KDE3 that would slide the panel off the screen.
[13:09] <JediMaster-> king, you are doing fine, we understand you =)
[13:10] <Mamarok_> kwtm: hm, not really, no, I use autohide
[13:10] <kwtm> In KDE4 you can't just drag a panel icon around from a panel to another to put it somewhere else.  Not sure why not since it would make things so much easier,
[13:10] <kwtm> Mamarok_: Thx anyway.
[13:11] <Mamarok_> kwtm: those are not icons, those are most of the time widgets, that's why
[13:11] <kwtm> ANd I don't know how to make the panel automatically expand to take up more room when I put more widgets in, or shrink when there are fewer.
[13:12] <kwtm> Mamarok_: I'm not sure I understand.  Why should they not be draggable if they are widgets?  (Sorry, "icon" was the wrong terminology, I guess.)
[13:12] <Mamarok_> kwtm: hm, I never tried, but of course it would only work in the panel edit mode anymway
[13:13] <JediMaster-> should I report this as a bug? I have no debug to report about the keyboard/mouse though, nothing obvious in the logs
[13:13] <king> thank you
[13:13] <Mamarok_> and since I only use one panel, I never faced that, I use widgets on the desktop
[13:13] <kwtm> JediMaster-: Yeah, if you don't mind, just so other people with the same thing won't think it's something isolated.  Not sure if you'd get a fix, though...
[13:15] <JediMaster-> what is this, a "kubuntu" bug, or kde or xorg?
[13:15] <Mamarok_> JediMaster-: what bug?
[13:15] <JediMaster-> mouse and keyboard completely frozen up at the same time
[13:15] <ForgeAus> neither..
[13:16] <JediMaster-> but can VNC in the machine remotely without any problems
[13:16] <Mamarok_> JediMaster-: likely the graphic driver
[13:16] <Mamarok_> what graphic card do you have?
[13:16] <JediMaster-> NVidia GTX 260
[13:16] <Mamarok_> and which driver?
[13:16] <JediMaster-> nvidia-current
[13:16] <kwtm> Toldja it was hardware related....
[13:16] <Mamarok_> I don't know much about Nvidia, but isn't there a nouveau driver?
[13:17] <JediMaster-> I doubt this is graphics related
[13:17] <JediMaster-> I can see the mouse moving when I move it on vnc
[13:17] <JediMaster-> I can see it moving on the real monitor
[13:17] <JediMaster-> num-lock, caps-lock etc don't work on the keyboard
[13:17] <Mamarok_> I had that mouse/keyboard freeze numerous times in earlier versions with my ATI driver, now it's gone with the newset radeon ones
[13:17] <JediMaster-> weird
[13:18] <Mamarok_> only with compositing activated though
[13:18] <Mamarok_> is it a USB keyboard? could also be udev
[13:18] <JediMaster-> yes
[13:18] <JediMaster-> both mouse and keyboard are usb
[13:18] <Mamarok_> connected directly or over a hub?
[13:18] <JediMaster-> directly
[13:19] <JediMaster-> I've tried unplugging them and putting them back in, no luck
[13:19] <Mamarok_> I know there are usb problems with udev, but mostly with hubs, still, could be a problem
[13:19] <Mamarok_> JediMaster-: what about trying the plug in/out several times?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:20] <Mamarok_> a friend of mine had to do it up to 5 times till it worked
[13:20] <Mamarok_> hi BluesKaj
[13:20] <JediMaster-> weird, shouldn't I see something in syslog when plugging in the keyboard?
[13:20] <Mamarok_> JediMaster-: not sure
[13:20] <BluesKaj> hi Mamarok_
[13:20] <Mamarok_> since udev handles that
[13:21] <JediMaster-> someone in #kde suggested it was hal not running
[13:21] <Mamarok_> JediMaster-: check the systemSettings -> Advanced tab -> Hardware you can see immediately if it's running or not
[13:22] <BluesKaj> gotta fix grub again, just installeled W7 , so does it stillworkfrom the live cd ?
[13:23] <JediMaster-> Mamarok_, I can see hald running, how do you know if it's running, would that tab not come up at all if not?
[13:23] <JediMaster-> as it looks normal
[13:23] <Mamarok_> JediMaster-: if you see the HAL-Power entry in there, then it is up
[13:23] <BluesKaj> well, I guess I'll find out soon enuff
[13:24] <JediMaster-> Mamarok_, yup, it's there
[13:24] <Mamarok_> soit's not HAL or Solid
[13:24] <prower> hello :> i just installed kubuntu 10.04...i added a new widget to the desktop (the cpu monitor), i'm trying to resize it but every time i'm done it snaps back to its original size? other widgets appear to do this also
[13:24] <Mamarok_> prower: how do you resize it?
[13:25] <Mamarok_> there is a resize button in the side bar that only appears when you hover over the widget, first button on top
[13:25] <prower> Mamarok_: Well, you know how that context menu slides out from under a widget and there's an option to stretch its size in there? That's what I've been using
[13:25] <Mamarok_> yes, that should work
[13:25] <Mamarok_> it certainly works here
[13:25] <prower> Mamarok_: When the context menu disappears it goes back to its original size for me :<
[13:25] <Mamarok_> that is strange
[13:26] <Mamarok_> prower: if you drag on that icon, the release the mouse it snaps back?
[13:26] <prower> Mamarok_: Yes, but only after the context menu disappears...strange
[13:26] <Mamarok_> yes, that is indeed strange, with all widgets?
[13:27] <prower> Mamarok_: Yes, with every one that I've tried so far
[13:27] <Mamarok_> and you use the desktop view?
[13:28] <prower> Mamarok_: That's what I'm using currently, it's a completely fresh install as of this moment :>
[13:28] <prower> (except for installing irssi to come here :P)
[13:29] <Mamarok_> hm, very strange, I can't recall a bug report about that, let me see...
[13:30] <JediMaster-> bah, I'm going to restart kdm
[13:31] <JediMaster-> hmmmf, "restart kdm" has left me with black screen with two white overlapping boxes
[13:31] <prower> Mamarok_: Thanks, there's a bunch of updates that are ready to install so I'm just going to reboot for those, but I'll be back
[13:31] <JediMaster-> meh, reboot it is
[13:32] <JediMaster-> wow, the plymouth closing down screen was completely screwed up when I rebooted via ssh
[13:32] <JediMaster-> but fine now it's rebooted
[13:33] <JediMaster-> mouse/keyboard back after reboot
[13:34] <JediMaster-> arggh not again
[13:34] <JediMaster-> 10.04 has been doing this alot
[13:34] <JediMaster-> not the mouse/keyboard this time
[13:34] <JediMaster-> when I boot, I've got dhcp from another kubuntu box
[13:34] <JediMaster-> and it fails to set /etc/resolv.conf to the name servers
[13:34] <JediMaster-> but other network settings are fine
[13:35] <JediMaster-> if I ifdown/ifup eth0 it works and gets the resolv.conf sorted
[13:47] <prower> alright, the widget problem was fixed in an update :> now i just need to figure out how to get the nvidia drivers installed
[13:52] <prower> There doesn't appear to be an option anywhere to simply "enable" the nvidia drivers like you would in GNOME :> anyone able to point me in the right direction?
[13:55] <coz_> hey guys..just installed kubuntu on  my one machine... I would like to access that with vncview via the lucid gnome machine but when running vncviewer I cannot access the kubuntu machine...how do I enable the kubuntu machine to accespt access?
[13:59] <chuckf> prower: from the k menu you should be able to type in 'hardware' in the search box and the restricted hardware program should show up as one of the few options
[14:00] <prower> chuckf: Aha, thanks...that's exactly what I was looking for :> It's ready to reboot now, hopefully I'll be back with proper graphics shortly ;>
[14:02] <bawww> does anyone know any good file hosting services that are gnu/linux command line friendly?
[14:03] <chuckf> dropbox works for me
[14:06] <bawww> chuckf: does it try to sync when you use it from cli?
[14:07] <Dyrcona> kpackagekit is prompting me to install updates to kopete and libkopete4.
[14:07] <noaXess_netubu> hey all
[14:07] <Dyrcona> however, i built the packages from source yesterday, and kpackagekit actually says that it can't install because the updated package is already installed.
[14:08] <Dyrcona> question is: how do i make kpackagekit stop warning me about these updates?
[14:08] <noaXess_netubu> i try to install 10.04 64bit on a machine with a nvidia pci-e graficcard engtx260.. after choosing language and few minutes, i get a black screen, losing inout signal on my monitor.. any trick to install 10.04?
[14:09] <noaXess_netubu> Dyrcona: in settings fo kapackagekit
[14:12] <Dyrcona> thank, but that looks like it will skip all security updates. i only want to skip the current updates for kopete, 'cause I built it from source with a special patch yesterday.
[14:13] <chuckf> bawww: mine syncs whenever there is a change to a file. I've not had to force a sync in recent memory but as I recall that is an option from the command line
[14:15] <noaXess_netubu> Dyrcona: hm.. i think there is a ignor parameter for apt-get .. but don't know exactly how to setup..
[14:39] <noaXess_netubu> ok.. got my problem.. it was the installation cd.. strange... read errors.. maybe a bad burner..
[14:39] <ForgeAus> happens sometimes
[14:50] <smooo> is there docs about 9.10?
[14:58] <noaXess_netubu> smooo: what do you exactly search for?
[15:09] <sae> sera
[15:11] <bigbrovar> Hi guys
[15:11] <bigbrovar> Is anyone experiencing blank screen when there reboot on kubuntu lucid?
[15:15] <aurelie_> #Armadeus
[15:16] <ToraToraTora> bigbrovar: yes, I have
[15:17] <ForgeAus> bigbrovar I don't but my boot procedure is very different (since I'm using wubi)
[15:18] <ForgeAus> I've had a few freezes during the kubuntu logo on boot, but rebooting fixed it
[15:19] <bigbrovar> ToraToraTora: the funny thing is I only get the problem when I reboot. If I shutdown and start the system from cold It doesnt happen :(
[15:19] <ToraToraTora> Same here
[15:19] <ToraToraTora> I got dualboot with WinXP
[15:19] <bigbrovar> It seem to be associated with the way plymouth was implemented.
[15:21] <bigbrovar> ToraToraTora: I heard there is grub bug with lucid which messes up the OS list for those dual boothing windows. The bug was fixed in the last minute on UBuntu but no Kubuntu (from what I heard I cant verify cus I dont dualbox)
[15:21] <ForgeAus> in XP I can do it in two steps by: %windir%\SYSTEM32\CONTROL.EXE Sysdm.cpl, System,2 (opens up system preferences to the right tab for device manager, just doesn't click the button)
[15:23] <ForgeAus> or rightclick my computer manage, but I still have to use device manager in the tree there...
[15:23] <ToraToraTora> bibrovar: Yes my Kubuntu system had this problem
[15:23] <bigbrovar> ToraToraTora: which means it must have been a known issue I wish I could find a bug report about it on launchpad
[15:24] <ForgeAus> oops wrong window
[15:24] <bigbrovar> ToraToraTora: Plus I think its a ubuntu issue which affects all the derivatives
[15:24] <Chicano> Hi everyone
[15:24] <smooo> have u guys got katapult working?
[15:25] <Chicano> krunner locks up on me even when using simple plugins like the calculator - has anybody else noticed this behavior?
[15:25] <ToraToraTora> Managed to fix grub, but still got loads of problems
[15:26] <ForgeAus> wow katapult is quicksilver for KDE?
[15:26] <bigbrovar> ToraToraTora: how were u able to fix grub?
[15:27] <smooo> ForgeAus: it is a quickaluncher
[15:29] <smooo> only problem is that i can't get it installed
[15:30] <ToraToraTora> bigbrovar: I can't remember exactly, but I used liveCD to fix files on hd
[15:31] <bigbrovar> ToraToraTora: oh ok
[16:17] <prower> hello :> i'm trying to create a desktop capture in kdenlive (10.04), but when i hit the record button, nothing happens?
[16:24] <ForgeAus> are you certain your recording source is your desktop?
[16:42] <aditya> hello room
[16:47] <seraphim2> hello
[16:48] <seraphim2> can sombody tell why whats goin on while the last symbol of the login process is shown ?
[16:48] <seraphim2> its thera about 30s
[16:51] <seraphim2> and why is compositing with nvidia not working ?!
[17:08] <An_Ony_Moose> I'm trying to use krita in the GNOME environment and it crashes on startup every time. When I try to report a bug, it asks me to install the debugging symbols. While KPackageKit is doing so, it, too, crashes. Any ideas?
[17:12] <ubuntu> b
[17:14] <An_Ony_Moose> update: fixed, for some reason my .kde folder was chowned to root.
[17:22] <daniel__> I accidently deleted the Trash can icon in Dolphin.  Is there a way to get it back?
[17:23] <daniel__> I am running Kubuntu with KDE 3
[17:24] <c3l> what is the kubuntu version of the folder for scripts that are put in ~/ .gnome2/ nautilus-scripts/ in ubuntu?
[17:30] <dhq> hey ppl
[17:30] <dhq> i upgraded to 10.04 and now i have no sound
[17:31] <inspire`> try alsamixer in the konsole
[17:31] <inspire`> smtimes it can get shutdown there
[17:31] <dhq> inspire`: did that there nothing :(
[17:31] <dhq> i mean no sound
[17:31] <inspire`> ouch
[17:32] <inspire`> hmm check the mixer in the tray
[17:32] <inspire`> and turn up the PCM that is if ur on a laptop
[17:32] <dhq> inspire`: alls up
[17:32] <inspire`> bummer
[17:33] <floown> hello
[17:33] <floown> someone use nano?
[17:33] <inspire`> desk or laptop?
[17:33] <dhq> laptop hda-intel
[17:33] <inspire`> yeah i got the same on here
[17:33] <inspire`> works well
[17:34] <dhq> :(
[17:34] <dhq> what do i do
[17:34] <inspire`> check in the system setting to have the hda-intel as a preffered instead of the outjack
[17:34] <floown> the js.nanorc from this adresse http://code.google.com/p/nanosyntax/source/browse/trunk/syntax-nanorc/js.nanorc is wrong. I have error when I try to open my javascript with nano...
[17:34] <Guest33345> hi everybody
[17:34] <inspire`> u can also test them there
[17:35] <dhq> inspire`: all set to hda-intel in test there is no sound
[17:35] <Guest33345> i have a problem to connect my laptop to lcd tv
[17:35] <inspire`> ouch
[17:35] <tarzoo> hi
[17:36] <dario_> hola
[17:36] <Guest33345> hola
[17:36] <dario_> alguien sabe donde puedo conseguir driver para impresora lexmark X 5150 series?
[17:37] <inspire`> that's the best i can help with, not too skilled i just had similar probs
[17:37] <dhq> hmmm :(
[17:37] <dhq> inspire`: thanks anyways :)
[17:38] <inspire`> a reinstall might help, its possible some conflicting sound codecs and such were installed
[17:38] <dhq> cant reinstall :(
[17:38] <inspire`> you should look into what ppl think about replacing alsa with smtn else
[17:38] <inspire`> but that's tricky it can give you some probs
[17:39] <Guest33345> hola dario entrá acá http://avasys.jp/eng/linux_driver/
[17:40] <Guest33345> fijate si encontrás el driver para la lexmark
[17:42] <Spezi> hi, i've got a /media/cdrom folder, which is a symlink to /media/cdrom0 .. so every time i put in a cd/dvd, it shows up twice in the new media thing in the taskbar, in places in dolphin etc.. i don'/t know where this /media/cdrom comes from, should i just delete it?
[17:48] <daniel__> Is there a way to get the Trash Can back on the Dolphin program?
[17:51] <daniel__> Does anyone use Dolphin?
[17:52] <Dyrcona> Right click on one of the entries, and Choose Add Entry...
[17:52] <Dyrcona> for the entry location, put in trash:/
[17:53] <daniel__> OKay.  I will try that.
[17:54] <daniel__> Not as before but works.  Thank you,
[17:55] <iconmefisto> daniel__: how is it not as before?
[17:55] <Dyrcona> daniel_: you should be able to choose a trash can icon, too. if you edit the entry.
[17:56] <daniel__> It used to change the icon when I had something in the trash.  Now it just shows te icon that doesn't change.  But it still opens the trash bin.
[17:56] <daniel__> I am satisfied.
[18:00] <Dyrcona> hmm. i just removed my trash "place" and re-added it and the icon changes for me when I put something in the trash.
[18:00] <daniel__> How did you put it back?
[18:01] <daniel__> In Dolphin?
[18:01] <Dyrcona> I did the Add Entry... Set the location to trash:/ and changed the icon to user-trash under "places"
[18:01] <daniel__> Ah.  Okay.
[18:02] <daniel__> How do I tell Linux to auto load Amarok for mp3 files when I click on them instead of having to right click and open with?
[18:02] <AhmedBH> Hi, How do i change theme on KDE @_@ i want that default back but i cant really seem to select that why ?
[18:03] <daniel__> System Settings
[18:03] <daniel__> Appearance
[18:04] <iconmefisto> daniel__: either in systemsettings > advanced tab > file associations, or right-click a mp3, properties, click the spanner icon
[18:04] <AhmedBH> daniel_: Thanks a million
[18:04] <iconmefisto> daniel__: put amarok at the top of the list
[18:05] <daniel__> Done.
[18:05] <daniel__> You're Welcome AhmedBH
[18:06] <daniel__> Wonderful.  Amarok is a good program.  My other favorite is VLC.
[18:06] <iconmefisto> daniel__: what was the default before you changed it to amarok?
[18:07] <AhmedBH> I accidently changed it and then i looked all over and coulnt set to default :) thanks again
[18:08] <malik_> amarok is the king of all audio players
[18:11] <daniel__> In Windows I use VLC for most audio-video.
[18:12] <slow-motion> hi
[18:12] <daniel__> Howdy
[18:12] <daniel__> Right now I am running two computers.  One Linux one WIndows (Games).  I use LInux for all internet stuff.
[18:13] <AhmedBH> Daniel_: How do i set my graphic card to the best graphic but its a shared so i have to use it with VRAM ? or how do i set as best ? that wont really take the CPU to 100%
[18:13] <daniel__> Not sure what you mean.  What is the video card, nvidia, ati, other?
[18:14] <daniel__> Are you running it on a real system or virtually?
[18:15] <AhmedBH> its ATI and its 256MB shared memory
[18:15] <daniel__> Sounds like it is onboard graphics.
[18:15] <AhmedBH> I dont want it to share it with RAM it should be limited within its memory not the RAM
[18:15] <AhmedBH> no not on board
[18:15] <AhmedBH> actually an old :)
[18:16] <daniel__> Look in System for Synaptic Package Manager.  Run it, enter password, and search for Envy.  Install that, run it and choose the recomended drivers.  See if that works.
[18:17] <AhmedBH> no its not about drivers
[18:17] <AhmedBH> everything works fine
[18:17] <AhmedBH> i just wanna set it to a the best setting which shoulnt annoy my processor getting up to 100%
[18:17] <daniel__> It could be about the drivers.  Impropper drivers, although wrks fine, might still be causing other issues.
[18:18] <AhmedBH> lemme see
[18:18] <daniel__> Are you sure it is the video that is doing it?
[18:18] <AhmedBH> Yeah kinda
[18:18] <AhmedBH> Because it takes about a GB when i use windows7
[18:18] <AhmedBH> @_@
[18:18] <daniel__> 7 is a pest.
[18:19] <AhmedBH> alsa-tools-gui ?
[18:19] <daniel__> what resolution are you using?
[18:19] <AhmedBH> its for 17"
[18:19] <AhmedBH> 1280x1024
[18:20] <AhmedBH> something
[18:20] <daniel__> I run Linux at 1024x768 here.
[18:20] <AhmedBH> ahhhhh
[18:20] <AhmedBH> :)
[18:20] <AhmedBH> And this resolution seriously sucks tho i dont know why
[18:20] <daniel__> 1280x1024 is okay if the monitor can handle it.
[18:20] <AhmedBH> i guess this causes headaches @_@
[18:20] <daniel__> try changing the resolution.
[18:20] <AhmedBH> Well
[18:20] <AhmedBH> Okay
[18:21] <daniel__> I used to have plenty of problems til I got this video card.
[18:21] <AhmedBH> every time after a restart
[18:21] <AhmedBH> it gets back to
[18:21] <AhmedBH> 1024x768
[18:21] <AhmedBH> TADA
[18:21] <daniel__> Need to edit the settings file as root and save for it to stay.
[18:21] <AhmedBH> how do i do that really
[18:22] <AhmedBH> i am new here since the LTS released :P
[18:22] <daniel__> I run an nvidia geforce 6200 as my video.
[18:22] <daniel__> 10.04?
[18:22] <AhmedBH> yeah
[18:22] <daniel__> I am running I believe 9.10 KDE 3 here.
[18:22] <AhmedBH> Its 4.2
[18:22] <daniel__> I don't upgrade because then I lose KDE 3.
[18:22] <AhmedBH> Ohh
[18:23] <AhmedBH> BRB lemme come from Gnome
[18:24] <AhmedBH> Back
[18:25] <AhmedBH> But this resolution looks fine at Gnome... Should i use the default ?
[18:26] <daniel__> If it works best, I would.
[18:26] <daniel__> But ask around.  Others might havve better ideas.
[18:27] <AhmedBH> Yeah
[18:27] <AhmedBH> Thanks :)
[18:27] <daniel__> You're Welcome
[18:27] <AhmedBH> Can you install ubuntu on a Macbook pro ?
[18:28] <AhmedBH> Without using any third party application
[18:28] <AhmedBH> But directly by booting up from  a CD and installing
[18:29] <stoiss> Hi. Is there a build of Empathy IM client for kubuntu ?
[18:29] <stoiss> it seems its only for gnome
[18:29] <AhmedBH> Kopete
[18:29] <AhmedBH> yeah its for Gnome
[18:29] <stoiss> too bad.. it looks pretty good.
[18:30] <AhmedBH> KDE             have          Kopete
[18:30] <AhmedBH> hahah
[18:30] <stoiss> im looking for somthing that has facebook chat so i can save my facebook chatlogs
[18:30] <daniel__> You can run Gnome apps and games in Kubuntu and vise-versa.
[18:31] <stoiss> really ?
[18:31] <daniel__> Yes
[18:31] <stoiss> i thought they depended on certain packages
[18:31] <daniel__> Yes, and they are installed as well.
[18:31] <stoiss> great
[18:31] <Dyrcona> daniel_++
[18:31] <AhmedBH> daniel_: Ubuntu can be installed on a macbook pro ? any idea ?
[18:31] <daniel__> Yes?
[18:31] <daniel__> I have an old iMac but no MacBook.
[18:32] <Dyrcona> just agreeing with you.
[18:32] <AhmedBH> But any idea ?
[18:32] <daniel__> If the Linux is PowerMac compatible I don't see why not.
[18:32] <Dyrcona> AhmedBH: I found instructions for installing ubuntu on a macbook pro on the wiki.
[18:32] <daniel__> Thank you
[18:32] <daniel__> There you go
[18:33] <AhmedBH> Dyrcona: thats good can i have the link please :)
[18:33] <stoiss> daniel__,  i usually say that you can pretty much run linux on a box of matches nowadays
[18:33] <daniel__> lol
[18:33] <Dyrcona> just google it. it should come up in the first couple of hits.
[18:33] <AhmedBH> OKay
[18:33] <AhmedBH> Thanks
[18:33] <daniel__> Here is a good challenge.  Find a LInux that will run on an old 100Mhz computer.  rofl
[18:34] <Dyrcona> daniel_: kernel 2.0.36, and userland built from period source.
[18:34] <daniel__> This PC is 2Ghz and my Win Games PC is 2.8
[18:34] <llutz> daniel__: slackware-2.2, you want the CD?
[18:34] <Barridus> dumb question alert:  how do you check disk usage/free in kubuntu-netbook
[18:34] <daniel__> I bet I could get something like DSL Linux to work.
[18:34] <metric1983> hey I`ve just installed ubuntu, my first linux distro and got a tiny problem just wondered if someone would mind helping, when i type apt-get install vlc i get a couple of lines of message ending am I root?  I`m guessing this means i have to shove my password in, so erm yeah, what do i need to put in and in what order would be nice to know please.
[18:35] <AhmedBH> http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
[18:35] <AhmedBH> Have a look
[18:35] <Barridus> (or in kubuntu 10.04 of any flavor)
[18:35] <rork> Barridus: with the command `df`
[18:35] <daniel__> Do you see the icon for my computer?
[18:35] <Dyrcona> AhmedBH: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[18:36] <daniel__> I was going to say open storage media and right click on the drive and choose properties.  lol
[18:36] <rork> metric1983: use `sudo apt-get install vlc` sudo will let you execute the command as root, it will ask for your password
[18:37] <rork> daniel__: yes, that would work pretty well to see the free space on a device too ^^
[18:38] <daniel__> lol
[18:38] <AhmedBH> dyrcona: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook6-1/Karmic  is this fine ? :)
[18:38] <AhmedBH> Thanks by the way
[18:38] <daniel__> Morew than one way to skin that kitty.  lol
[18:38] <Dyrcona> AhmedBH: If you have a MacBook6,1 then it should be.
[18:38] <daniel__> Many problems with many solutions.
[18:39] <stoiss_> damn this is odd. If i have my firewall enabled i cant connect to freenode irc.. even though i specificly allow port 8001
[18:39] <daniel__> Anyone want a Mac Quadra 630?  rofl
[18:39] <stoiss_> all other IRC servers i can connect to .. just not this one
[18:39] <Barridus> rork:  ah, i saw "1-k blocks" when i tried df earlier and thought i was looking at something using different units
[18:40] <AhmedBH> Dyrcona: Actually i am planning to buy a macbook pro and only only only if i am sure enough that i can run ubuntu on it :)
[18:40]  * Dyrcona has a PowerMac 6100 collecting dust in the attic.
[18:40] <daniel__> Wanna send my way.  lol
[18:40] <AhmedBH> hhhhhhhhh
[18:40] <AhmedBH> * ??whos that
[18:41] <rork> Barridus: hm, on a second look I can see why :) `df -h` might do, type `df --help` to see more options to change the output of df
[18:41] <Dyrcona> AhmedBH: You probably will be able to, but it may not go smoothly the first try.
[18:42] <AhmedBH> Dyrcona:  Oh no..... I like the hardware and it should be working just fine.. i would rather be on Gnome tho, Will it be fine ?
[18:42] <Dyrcona> AhmedBH: There are no warranties. :)
[18:43] <AhmedBH> Dyrcona:  On what exactly huh @_@
[18:43] <daniel__> MacOS 7.1 to 9.1  I bet anything 8 and over will be too slow on that beast.  lol
[18:43] <AhmedBH> :O
[18:43] <Barridus> rork, my thanks
[18:43] <rork> Barridus: you're welcome :)
[18:44] <Dyrcona> daniel_: The PowerMac 6100 has MkLinux installed, though it has not been updated in 7+ years.
[18:44] <daniel__> lol
[18:44] <daniel__> Sounds like a fun machine to play with.
[18:44] <daniel__> I still fiddle around with a Mac Quadra 630
[18:44] <Dyrcona> Used to take a week or so to compile all of KDE 2.0 from source.
[18:45] <daniel__> Yeah, I am sure of that @ 60Mhz
[18:46] <Dyrcona> my fiddling around machine is a "Grape" iMac DV. I'm going to try to get OpenBSD for PPC running on it when I'm on vacation.
[18:47] <AhmedBH> daniel_: The macbook pro is 2.66Ghz and goes upto 3.33 i mean how really ! when the hardware is something less then its sayin as boostup
[18:48] <daniel__> I have a green iMac around here.  Running Mac OS 8 I believe.
[18:48] <daniel__> 8 or 9
[18:48] <daniel__> Slow machine though for it.
[18:48] <Dyrcona> the grape has Tiger on it for now.
[18:49] <AhmedBH> 9
[18:49] <daniel__> The Windows PC I found out is MacOS native.  It can run it natively.  When I get a new drive for it I will give it a try.  Mayb dual boot Win/MacOS.
[18:50] <daniel__> I am bold.  lol
[18:51] <Dyrcona> Last time I tried dual booting on my MacBook, I hosed the partition table.
[18:52] <daniel__> I am using two separate drives.
[18:52] <Dyrcona> AhmedBH: I'm probably the wrong person to be giving advice on installing on a MacBook. :)
[18:52] <daniel__> For the first try I will keep the Windows HD out of site.
[18:53] <AhmedBH> umm okay :) no problem
[18:59] <tdn> How can I adjust the color temperature on my monitor?
[19:06] <freefrag> hello
[19:09] <Guillem__> Is it really worthy, the kde sc 4.4?
[20:03] <NoRedemption> hello
[20:04] <][PAPERINA][> buona sera a tutti
[20:04] <][PAPERINA][> !list
[20:05] <NoRedemption> huh?
[20:32] <sjr> What is a good wireless manager for Kubuntu, the default one sucks, and I was using nm-applet but it's weird too
[20:34] <chiffre> whats the problem with the integrated wireless-manager?
[20:34] <sjr> it's flakey
[20:34] <sjr> it ignores requests
[20:34] <sjr> when I tell it to create an ad hoc network it doesn't just sits there dopey like a 4 year old looking at a pin wheel.
[20:38] <chiffre> k - never tried to create an adhoc network with kde...
[21:26] <caprea> I wanted to add a shortcut to my taskbar, like q quicklaunch but I seem to be only able to add widgets
[21:27] <goodcoopr> what would be the easiest way to install kubuntu directly to a hard disk? i have an old laptop that won't properly boot from USB, yet doesn't have an optical
[21:28] <caprea> remove the hard disk and hook it up to some other machine
[21:28] <goodcoopr> yes, i can do that easily
[21:28] <goodcoopr> what do i do with the hard disk?
[21:29] <caprea> I dont undertsand, you remove it and put it in anotehr amchine and then install the OS
[21:29] <goodcoopr> on the incompatible machine?
[21:29] <goodcoopr> i mean on the other machine?
[21:29] <caprea> yeah
[21:29] <goodcoopr> it's got very different hardware
[21:30] <caprea> I guess ubuntu detects the hardward and installs drivers on install
[21:30] <caprea> so you could just install it anyways, and then later manually reconfigure once you put the HD in the original machine
[21:30] <goodcoopr> i'd assume... isn't there a way to put just the installation files directly onto the hard disk? or would the installer delete the install files during install
[21:31] <caprea> there might be, but I dont know it
[21:31] <caprea> some BIOS allow to boot from network
[21:31] <goodcoopr> this may allow that, but then i'd have to set up PXE server and etc
[21:33] <caprea> im out of ideas
[21:33] <goodcoopr> i put crunchbang on one of these once, but i forgot how i did it, lol
[21:33] <goodcoopr> i think i just tried every USB configuration i could think of to get it to boot, it was really not an optimal way to install
[21:34] <goodcoopr> i was hoping installing from HD would be easier
[21:34] <caprea> someone probably knows, but its not me
[21:38] <m_tadeu> how can I check the files that a package installs?
[21:39] <DarthFrog> m_tadeu: What do you mean by check?
[21:40] <m_tadeu> DarthFrog: list all files installed by a certain package
[21:41] <DarthFrog> m_tadeu: System Settings/Add & Remove Software/Software Management.  Search for the installed package, right-click on it and click on File List.
[21:41] <LjL> m_tadeu: dpkg -L packagename
[21:42] <m_tadeu> DarthFrog: I prefer using the command line
[21:42] <m_tadeu> LjL: thanx :)
[21:42] <DarthFrog> m_tadeu: As do I. :-)
[21:42] <m_tadeu> hehe thanx guys
[21:43] <DarthFrog> m_tadeu: Here's one you might find useful:  alias lspkg="dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | sort | less"
[21:45] <m_tadeu> niceeee :)
[21:46] <DarthFrog> I find it very handy, especially in the usage: lspkg | grep <name>
[21:47] <m_tadeu> yup..simple listing
[21:58] <leonardo> ciao a tutti
[22:00] <miazgator> how do I make mouse side buttons work as back/forward in Konqueror and Dolphin?
[22:00] <miazgator> I miss that from Gnome
[22:03] <miazgator> anybody here?
[22:03] <martxel> hi
[22:04] <miazgator> hi
[22:04] <martxel> I've just installed buntu 10.04 and I'm having trouble getting the sound to work
[22:04] <martxel> *kubuntu
[22:05] <chx> Hi. I am using Lucid and half of my icons are gone from the tray. So is the KDE menu. I can click them. They work. But they are not shown.
[22:05] <martxel> I have tried configuring the mixer, the volumes, and i think they are ok
[22:05] <martxel> I don't know what else to do
[22:06] <miazgator> chx you can expand the tray with a triangle button
[22:07] <BluesKaj> martxel, open a terminal and type alsamixer , make sure the ctrls are are turned up to 75% or so , and take the M out of any ctrls  (Unmute)
[22:08] <chx> miazgator: no, no, it's not expansion, there are two columns of tray icons, the right half is invisible.  http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/67668/screenshot_005_Wu52G5.png see how the menu icon is missing on the top? and the right half of icons are missing but if i click where the mixer is it works
[22:09] <chx> miazgator: the mixer is right besides the language switcher.
[22:09] <chx> miazgator: it's just inviisble.
[22:09] <NoRedemption> gn8
[22:10] <martxel> BluesKaj: I have tried that
[22:10] <martxel> and still doesn't work
[22:10] <miazgator> anybody know how do I make side mouse buttons to work as back/forward in Konqueror and Dolphin?
[22:11] <martxel> I don't really understand, I installed yesterday on my dell laptot, which has the same audio device as this one and it works
[22:11] <chx> hm restarting plasma-desktop solved it
[22:11] <BluesKaj> martxel, look in system settings / mediaand set your soundcard to default
[22:11] <chx> is kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 1s && plasma-desktop the right way to restart plasma?
[22:13] <martxel> BluesKaj: done, but still no sound
[22:17] <yaroslav> Є хто з України?
[22:20] <martxel> BluesKaj: any other idea?
[22:22] <BluesKaj> martxel, pulseaudio installed?
[22:23] <martxel> BluesKaj: no
[22:23] <martxel> should I?
[22:26] <BluesKaj> martxel, give me a minute , gonna look
[22:32] <BluesKaj> martxel, lspci | grep audio  , need to know your soundcard
[22:36] <martxel> BluesKaj: there -> http://pastebin.com/Br4QtiEF
[22:36] <BluesKaj> martxel, or : cat /proc/asound/cards , that command should show the card
[22:36] <martxel> you'll see the soundcard on my dell computer is the same that I have on my vaio
[22:37] <martxel> and sound works well on dell and no sound on vaio
[22:38] <BluesKaj> !intelhda |martxel
[22:38] <martxel> ok, let's see
[22:43] <slow-motion> n8
[23:02] <martxel> ubottu: tried everything in there and stille no sound
[23:03] <martxel> :/
[23:03] <martxel> oh
[23:03] <martxel> i see
[23:03] <martxel> xD