[17:56] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[17:59] <bioterror> did you get that key ring thingie now
[18:04] <bioterror> :D
[18:11] <ChrisDruif> Hai bioterror :)
[18:11] <bioterror> kristian is not a good answerer
[18:30] <kristian-aalborg> hi again all
[18:31] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror: sorry I didn't answer, I did not see your reply - no, I left it at default
[18:31] <bioterror> why?
[18:31] <kristian-aalborg> no dialogue pops of when I click "edit this connection"
[18:32] <bioterror> you need to tap that "available to all users"
[18:32] <bioterror> for that wlan connection
[18:32] <kristian-aalborg> sorry, "edit connections"
[18:32] <kristian-aalborg> yes, but nothing happens
[18:32] <bioterror> did you go to wireless tab
[18:32] <bioterror> and choose your current connection and press edi
[18:32] <bioterror> edit
[18:33] <kristian-aalborg> I right-click the nm-applet icon... then "edit connections"
[18:34] <bioterror> then wireless tab
[18:34] <kristian-aalborg> nothing turns up
[18:34] <bioterror> then you click your connection to blue
[18:34] <bioterror> and you click edit...
[18:35] <bioterror> now you should find that checkbox
[18:39] <kristian-aalborg> this is by way of the icon in the right corner of the panel?
[18:40] <bioterror> are you a troll?
[18:41] <kristian-aalborg> by no means


[04:05] <Bashing-om> !backports
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:23] <Bashing-om> o/ lotuspsychje - Good day for you :)
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om working day here, tnx
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> then 3 days off :p
[04:25] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Got your replacement all lined out so you can take more time off ?
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i dont know, my boss text me yesterday with my schedule
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: seems like going afk from the kitchen did a good job..for now
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> 10 days they couldnt rely on me
[04:27] <Bashing-om> Hey, you were missed :P
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> i hope not :p
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: anything hot to know on support?
[04:31] <Bashing-om> Naw .. been slow .. not even the trolls are poking about - to slow to keep my interest from sleep :)
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> allrighty mate, the stars will takeover now
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> tomorrow everything will be here
[04:33] <Bashing-om> As the world turns . same place same time next .
[09:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:46] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader
[11:46] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> fine here lordievader, and you?
[11:50] <lordievader> Doing good
[11:50] <lordievader> Contemplating a bit if I should buy more ram.
[11:51] <lordievader> Do you happen to know if one can use ECC ram in non-ECC ram slots?
[11:52] <lordievader> Guess, I'll just try.
[11:54] <lordievader> Oh, never mind I though the server had DDR3 ECC ram, it has DDR2 :(
[11:56] <BluesKaj> lordievader, dunno enough about RAM compatabbilities to answer that ...never really researched it
[11:57] <BluesKaj> I just buy the same type of DDR as the existing one
[11:59] <lordievader> Yeah, probably need to buy new. But it would be kind of a waste if I had semi-compatible stuff laying around.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> true
[12:02] <BluesKaj> brb
[12:22] <ducasse> lordievader: afaik you can use non-ecc in ecc-capable slots, but not vice versa. not positive, though - try ##hardware?
[12:23] <lordievader> The idea is not going to work anyways, I though the unused server had DDR3 in it, after some fact checking it has DDR2.
[12:23] <lordievader> Going to sell some stuff and see what I can buy for that ;)
[12:24] <oerheks> oh?
[12:24] <oerheks> any interesting computerparts?
[12:24] <lordievader> 16Gb DDR3 sodimm is the most interesting.
[12:25] <lordievader> For the rest old stuff XD
[12:25] <oerheks> nice, but sorry, no use for that :-(
[12:25] <lordievader> oerheks: I can send you a link this evening after I've posted it on Marktplaats.
[12:25] <oerheks> I should move from mobo pcie 1.4 to pcie 2.0
[12:26] <oerheks> which means i should build a new pc
[12:26] <oerheks> lordievader, yes, please do
[12:26] <oerheks> one never knows how i find a buyer, it happens often
[17:04] <lotus|artfulbox> hey guys
[17:04] <lotus|artfulbox> lets update this testbox
[17:04] <daftykins> :D
[17:05] <lotus|artfulbox> daftykins, hey mate, been to london and had fudge icecream :p
[17:05] <daftykins> ooh nice! :D
[17:06] <daftykins> glad to see you made it out unscathed
[17:06] <lotus|artfulbox> what a nice city it has become london
[17:07] <daftykins> my wealthy client bought a flat there so i'll be able to visit again :>
[17:07] <lotus|artfulbox> daftykins, our guide said some london lofts ask 5000 pounds/ a week rent
[17:07] <lotus|artfulbox> oO
[17:07] <daftykins> heh oof
[17:07]  * lotus|artfulbox looks in his pockets : O
[17:08] <daftykins> his last place had 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms a lounge and balcony - and was sold for £2 million
[17:08] <lotus|artfulbox> holy smoke
[17:08] <daftykins> i think the ongoing service charge was about £20k a year too
[17:09] <lotus|artfulbox> the cars driving around, are crazy aswell
[17:09] <lotus|artfulbox> porshes, mercedes and thousands of those hybrid toyota's
[17:09] <daftykins> hehe
[17:09] <oerheks> :-)
[17:10] <oerheks> And, meet & greet with Mark ??
[17:10] <daftykins> someone i was at Uni with told me that there's a thing of people with fancy cars leaving clubs just before closing time and then doing laps to show them off to everyone leaving, so sad
[17:10] <lotus|artfulbox> but some eco appartments give like electric cars & bikes for free too
[17:10] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, mark lives in london?
[17:10] <oerheks> err, you didn't visit blue fin building??
[17:11] <lotus|artfulbox> nop lol
[17:11] <oerheks> That is canonical headQ
[17:11] <lotus|artfulbox> ohh
[17:12] <lotus|artfulbox> lotuspsychje@artful-bugbox:~$ uname -a
[17:12] <lotus|artfulbox> Linux artful-bugbox 4.10.0-22-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 22 17:43:20 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:12] <lotus|artfulbox> brb reboot after update
[17:15] <ducasse> \o lotus|artfulbox :)
[17:15] <lotus|artfulbox> hey ducasse
[17:16] <lotus|artfulbox> how are you mate
[17:16] <ducasse> good, and you?
[17:16] <lotus|artfulbox> great here
[17:18] <lotus|artfulbox> ducasse, testing artful
[17:18] <daftykins> he *is* the artful dodger ;)
[17:18] <lotus|artfulbox> :p
[17:19] <lotus|artfulbox> dist-upgrade now
[17:20] <ducasse> artful sees a lot of action, i frequently see 30-50 updates some days
[17:20] <daftykins> why now and not before? i only ever run dist-upgrade
[17:20] <lotus|artfulbox> didnt login to gnome wayland yet
[17:21] <ducasse> ithm 'i am running dist-upgrade now'
[17:22] <daftykins> yeah above was a reboot after an update though
[17:22] <lotus|artfulbox> yeah first sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[17:22] <lotus|artfulbox> should have done dist-upgrade right away
[17:23] <daftykins> yeah :>
[17:25] <lotus|artfulbox> ducasse, seems like they working hard on it
[17:27] <ducasse> it might need a lot of tlc, considering how zesty was on release ;)
[17:27] <lotus|artfulbox> !info linux-image-generic artful
[17:31] <lotus|artfulbox> reboot (again)
[17:33] <ducasse> success! \o/
[17:34] <lotus|artfulbox> lol
[17:34] <lotus|artfulbox> it works
[17:43] <lotus|artfulbox> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-developers-shares-his-thoughts-on-the-unity-to-gnome-shell-transition-516798.shtml
[17:43] <lotus|artfulbox> switching apps in gnome is anoying you have to keep press activities
[17:50] <xangua> I just press alt+tab
[17:51] <lotus|artfulbox> ah thats handy
[17:51] <xangua> Does super+(number) work in gnome shell?
[17:51] <lotus|artfulbox> lets c
[17:52] <lotus|artfulbox> doesnt seem to do something xangua
[17:59] <lotus|artfulbox> addons are in gnome software
[17:59] <lotus|artfulbox> and extensions, codecs
[18:00] <lotus|artfulbox> hey BluesKaj
[18:01] <immu> lotus|artfulbox, you should look into extensions
[18:02] <immu> hey BluesKaj
[18:02] <lotus|artfulbox> immu, i wanna keep it vanilla, so i can follow canonicals new improvements on 17.10
[18:03] <immu> ok lotus|artfulbox
[18:05] <lotus|artfulbox> lets see what happens on gnome wayland
[18:06] <daftykins> *boom*
[18:06] <daftykins> mushroom cloud reported over Belgium
[18:06] <oerheks> Why didn't you stop him?
[18:06] <immu> fotos please
[18:07] <daftykins> photos
[18:07] <oerheks> updated every 5 minutes http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?lang=
[18:08] <oerheks> gnome
[18:08] <lotus|artfulbox> :p
[18:09] <oerheks> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/make-gnome-shell-look-feel-like-unity
[18:10] <daftykins> ../be-an-old-codger-and-fight-change/
[18:11] <daftykins> :D
[18:11] <oerheks> Change the button-layout to the following custom value: close,maximize,minimize,maximize,close:
[18:11] <lotus|artfulbox> lotuspsychje@artful-bugbox:~$ inxi -G
[18:11] <lotus|artfulbox> Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA C77 [GeForce 9100M G]
[18:11] <lotus|artfulbox>            Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
[18:11] <lotus|artfulbox>            Resolution<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:11] <lotus|artfulbox>            GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVAA GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.1.2
[18:15] <daftykins> hmm not heard of inxi before
[18:19] <lotus|artfulbox> dont notice much change on different logins
[18:20] <BluesKaj> hi lotus|artfulbox, immu , was fixing the wifi on the RPI after upgrading to Raspbian Stretch
[18:21] <lotus|artfulbox> cool
[18:22] <BluesKaj> had to install theold bcm driver from the jessie repos and mark it on hold so it won't upgrade
[18:23] <BluesKaj> workarounds ;-)
[18:23] <immu> ok
[18:28] <daftykins> heh
[18:29] <lotus|artfulbox> lets c if it likes nvidia-340 driver
[18:29] <daftykins> heh not much benefit going too new for such a dinosaur (:
[18:30] <lotus|artfulbox> its a laptop that came from the graveyard junk lol
[18:30] <lotus|artfulbox> container garbage park
[18:31] <lotus|artfulbox> the trowed it away working like this
[18:31] <lotus|artfulbox> and you know what i do with working hardware, put ubuntu on it!
[18:31] <lotus|artfulbox> :p
[18:34] <xangua> Which flavor?
[18:36] <daftykins> yep where it's still useless ;)
[18:47] <lotuspsychje_> it doesnt like 340
[18:47] <lotuspsychje_> and mesa has some heavy glitches
[18:48] <lotuspsychje_> had to purge nvidia* in recoverymode
[18:48] <lotuspsychje_> big nvidia logo before login, then black screen
[18:48] <daftykins> hehe
[18:49] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje_, iof it's rwally old maybe the 304 XXX legacy driver will work
[18:49] <BluesKaj> if it's really old, rather
[18:49] <lotuspsychje_> lotuspsychje@artful-bugbox:~$ inxi -G
[18:49] <lotuspsychje_> Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA C77 [GeForce 9100M G]
[18:50] <daftykins> probably better off staying on nouveau for such a museum piece
[18:50] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[18:50] <daftykins> :>
[18:50] <lotuspsychje_> yeah im sticking to it
[18:51] <immu> hmm
[18:51] <lotuspsychje_> lets see what new updates will do to the machine on wayland
[18:54] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje_, yeah, seems the 340 is the driver for your gpu , ...nomodeset perhaps?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje_> BluesKaj, well it works kinda without the nvidia driver
[18:55] <daftykins> nowt to be gained :>
[18:55] <BluesKaj> it's not  museum piece. mine is geforce 210 which uses the same driver ...just entry level specs that's all, and classed as legacy but it works fine
[18:56] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje_, there's no nvidia support for wayland ...yet
[18:56] <lotuspsychje_>  Display Server: X.Org 1.19.3 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
[18:57] <lotuspsychje_> gnome default doesnt goto wyland i think
[18:57] <lotuspsychje_> i have to logout
[18:57] <lotuspsychje_> but i dont think its working yet indeed
[19:02] <lotuspsychje_> time for a glitches bug on xorg
[19:02] <lotuspsychje_> :p
[19:02] <daftykins> you can't log out? :D
[19:04] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins, yeah sure, logout/login doesnt fix the glitches by default
[19:04] <daftykins> ah no i was thinking you meant you couldn't log out at all
[19:07] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins, no boot, restart and logins work fine (after purging 340)
[19:07] <daftykins> ah
[19:08] <lotuspsychje_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1702347
[19:09] <daftykins> oh look down the list sir, you couldn't even load 'nvidia' allegedly
[19:09] <daftykins> unless that was unrelated, would've thought for you to see the nvidia logo it was there
[19:11] <lotuspsychje_> logo showedup before login, after installng 340
[19:12] <daftykins> yeah that was an old default of the nvidia driver
[19:13] <daftykins> so it kinda suggests the module was there, but your logs show it's missing on two lines o0
[19:13] <lotuspsychje_> hm
[19:13] <daftykins> wonder if it's that age-old classic of it building for the wrong kernel version :)
[19:16] <lotuspsychje_> cant catch the glitches by screenshot
[19:16] <lotuspsychje_> too fast
[19:16] <daftykins> video :D
[19:16] <lotuspsychje_> thats an idea :p
[19:19] <lotuspsychje_> ubuntu-bug was pretty nice tough
[19:19] <lotuspsychje_> tnx for testing 17.10..
[19:21] <daftykins> XD
[19:21] <lotuspsychje_> laterz guys tv :p
[19:22] <lotuspsychje_> enough bugging for today


[20:24] <trappist> dorian_: if you install mdbtools, that is
[20:24] <jussi01> spiel_mit_feuer: its a meta package
[20:24] <dorian_> aaa ook
[20:24] <blajumper> where does a secret key of a public/secret-gpg-key generated by kgpg get saved?
[20:25] <blajumper> in ~/.gnupg probably?
[20:25] <trappist> blajumper: that's the first place I'd look
[20:25] <blajumper> and how would the file look like?
[20:25] <jussi01> spiel_mit_feuer: just a package that has a whole lot of other packages as dependencies
[20:25] <blajumper> is secring.gpg something related to it or not?
[20:25] <spiel_mit_feuer> aah.. so if i typed sudo aptitude install kde4, how much hard drive consumption would i be looking at in total?
[20:26] <blajumper> I have no idea how I should be able to notice that secret key, I always played with the public one but never had the need to put on my fingers on the secret thing
[20:26] <trappist> blajumper: not sure, look at the timestamp and see if it corresponds with when you generated your key
[20:26] <blajumper> trappist can't remember that :)
[20:26] <blajumper> btw how can I find out the timestamp on console?
[20:26] <blajumper> ah stat probably... /me tests
[20:27] <trappist> blajumper: ls -l
[20:27] <blajumper> I have installed KGPG the same day I generated the key trappist
[20:27] <blajumper> so it could also be some config file
[20:27] <blajumper> the timestamp doesn't really give me any evidence here :/
[20:27] <trappist> blajumper: the "file" util says it's a "PHP key security ring" - I think that's it
[20:27] <trappist> *PGP
[20:28] <blajumper> trappist secring.gpg sounds pretty much like it would be a pgp security ring =P
[20:28] <ahmos> where i can find lm_sensors configuration file
[20:28] <blajumper> yep file util says that aswell
[20:29] <blajumper> so trappist can I be more or less sure that secring.gpg and pubring.gpg are my keys?
[20:29] <blajumper> and I won't need any other files?
[20:29] <dorian_> ye it worked!
[20:29] <dorian_> mdbtools man
[20:29] <blajumper> because there's also some pubring.kbx file
[20:29] <trappist> blajumper: I'm 63% sure the first statement is correct, and 100% sure the second statement is wrong
[20:30] <trappist> blajumper: one or more of the other files will have info like which keys are trusted
[20:30] <trappist> other people's keys, etc.
[20:30] <blajumper> ah
[20:30] <blajumper> that's not important
[20:30] <blajumper> I only want my own key
[20:31] <blajumper> I don't care about those trust settings of gpg... I can easily tell gpg that again
[20:32] <trappist> blajumper: well if nobody in here knows more than I do about gpg, you're in the wrong channel :) you might try #gpg or #gnupg
[20:32] <trappist> or maybe the docs, or google
[20:33] <trappist> you know, as a last resort ;)
[20:44] <ahmos> !xsensors
[20:44] <genii> back
[20:46] <rickest> !lsensors
[20:46] <genii> !info lmsensors
[20:47] <genii> Hmm
[20:47] <phitoo> Hola everyone! I am trying my hand at KDE4. Is there a way to have a different background on each desktop? I can't seem to do it from the Desktop Settings from the right click menu.
[20:47] <powertool08> genii: lm-sensors
[20:48] <genii> rickest: What powertool08 said
[20:48] <rickest> :)
[21:05] <tempest_> ive got a problem on my 2nd computer i can type to login but after it boots up no keyboard
[21:09] <tempest_> nevermind fixed it  it was just slow keys turned on
[21:11] <dennister> ok ppl, what can i do about this broken version upgrade? always hangs at generating locales
[21:12] <dennister> genii: ? u got any ideas?
[21:13] <genii> dennister: Choose default US locale during install then add others like Canada later after system is up
[21:13] <dennister> ok
[21:16] <markit> any channel fro Intrepid?
[21:17] <markit> after upgrade, X does not start anymore
[21:17] <genii> markit: #ubuntu+1
[21:17] <markit> genii: thanks
[21:18] <genii> markit: There is no support for unreleased versions, so they likely won't assist you much in there. But thats the channel for Intrepid
[21:18] <markit> genii: they will not assist, but hope will help! :)
[21:20] <dedi_> someone knows how to create a working ubuntu-modules for a custom kernel? (wiki dont work)
[21:21] <genii> dedi_: Normally you do something like: sudo make modules                    in the same dir you did the make for the kernel
[21:23] <genii> dedi_: Then something like: sudo make modules install                     which should take a while. Then you need update of module lists with: sudo depmod -a
[21:24] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[21:27] <dennister> BluesKaj: hi there :)
[21:27] <BluesKaj> hi dennister , hows things ?
[21:28] <dennister> genii: just changing the entries in sources.list to the american ones doesn't help me when things have already been downloaded, badly, and won't install
[21:28] <dennister> BluesKaj: not good i'm afraid...i thought the canadian archives would've been fixed by now, but no........
[21:29] <dennister> how do I change the locale in console?
[21:29] <genii> dennister: locales does not mean the location of the repository you are using. locale means what language and location your computer wants to use normally. Like Canada and British English   for instance
[21:29] <BluesKaj> dennister:  I got fed up and reveryted Gutsy, but it only solved half my probs :)
[21:30] <genii> dennister: There have been a lot of problems for people installing when the default locale is not US and US English
[21:31] <dennister> genii: yes, i realize that, so where do I change the locale? changing sources is only one small part
[21:31] <paoligno> hi. i want to buy this notebook: SONY SZ71E/B T7250 2GB 160GB DL 13.3" VHP      . how can i know if it's fully compatible with kubuntu?
[21:31] <dennister> BluesKaj: i did that for awhile, too, and found out a gutsy install, then version upgrade, *usually* works better for me than a clean install
[21:32] <dennister> but not this time :(
[21:32] <genii> dennister: Make sure package console-setup is in. Then:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[21:33] <dennister> genii: sudo dpkg --reconfigure console-setup...is that what you mean to type?
[21:33] <BluesKaj> dennister:  my last upgrade was an internet one and it went fine , but I got "nailed" by a kernel upgrade about a week ago ...totally screwed X and samba
[21:33] <Githzerai> BluesKaj: there's been another kernel update today.... :)
[21:34] <BluesKaj> Githzerai:  I've got adept notifier turned off :)
[21:35] <dedi_> genii: ah ok, seems to do something :)
[21:35] <genii> dennister: No, I meant to type dpkg-reconfigure, which is what I did type :)
[21:35] <Githzerai> BluesKaj: I was just wondering if you would fall twice :D ;)
[21:35] <dennister> ok doke...will i get an option to change the locale if i do that?
[21:36] <BluesKaj> heh, Githzerai , took me twice to realize that kernel upgrades may not be my friend :)
[21:37] <genii> dennister: It will run you through a series of questions on how to configure the console. And then the system installer later looks at this for a hint of where you are when it tries to decide what sort of setup to go with
[21:37] <dennister> genii: thx
[21:38] <BluesKaj> hey genii , how goes it ?
[21:40] <dennister> genii: ok tried it, and was told console-setup was broken or not installed yet...
[21:41] <dennister> can't do the dpkg --configure console-setup because of depenedency issues, and doiing dpkg --configure -a will start the locales generation again, right away, and then hang
[21:41] <dennister> gonna try and look in var/cache/apt...for partials...things that I could delete so it'll be downloaded again
[21:44] <dennister> not working for me either...too many in archives, zipping by too fast
[21:44] <dennister> at this rate i'm ready to start over :(
[21:50] <dwidmann> remove the problem package(s), then do an apt-get -f install, then reinstall the problem package(s)?
[21:57] <paoligno> well,  SONY SZ71E/B T7250 2GB 160GB DL 13.3" VHP    is not listed in the urls which list tested laptops. how can i proceed in order to see if i can buy it ? thnks
[21:58] <genii>  I need to logoff now in order to get to my other workplace on time. I'll return online in about 45 minutes (possibly less)
[22:01] <force> I have HP laptop with kubuntu hardy  and i can't connect to Router wireless using WEP encryption (even without encryption) and i have wireless 3945BG with Knetworkmanager but i can't search for any network or connect to hide network, i use also WICD and othr tools but not working, is there any solution for this way?
[22:04] <justs0me> is ir recomended (no errors) to do a distro version update through apt-get?
[22:05] <justs0me> ir=it*
[22:07] <force> i try it but there is nothing to solve this issue
[22:08] <rickest> justs0me: for the cleanest, absolutely no-cruft system, no. but many of us do without any problems at all, yes
[22:08] <justs0me> rickest: oh
[22:09] <justs0me> force: u have dv9000t series?
[22:09] <rickest> justs0me: for example, if apache used to use /etc/apache and the latest version uses /etc/apache2, nothing will ever get rid of /etc/apache unless you do it manually. but there's really not much of that
[22:09] <force> justs0me: yes Pavilion dv2000
[22:10] <justs0me> rickest: oh
[22:10] <justs0me> force: does the machine ever lock up ?
[22:11] <rickest> justs0me: and even most of those issues get resolved since apt-get knows it's doing an upgrade
[22:11] <justs0me> oh
[22:11] <justs0me> rickest: i use fc and they never recommend doing it that way
[22:11] <justs0me> rickest: but i need somthing for stable for my school lappy
[22:12] <justs0me> rickest: but somthing that works, which (k)ubuntu  seems to to
[22:12] <justs0me> do
[22:12] <justs0me> and im not a fan of kde4
[22:12] <force> justs0me: Nope
[22:13] <cai> testing
[22:13] <mefistofele> I hope kde4 gets those nvidia problems fixed soon
[22:14] <force> justs0me: do you have solution for this issue?
[22:14] <justs0me> force: ope
[22:14] <justs0me> force: nope*
[22:15] <rickest> justs0me: I've done it through 2 versions on 2 boxes, 3 versions on another. no problems here, I'd give it a try
[22:15] <justs0me> rickest: lol wow
[22:16] <force> any one can help about this issue?
[22:16] <force> for intel wireless 3945BG?
[22:18] <mefistofele> force: can you paste the output of /sbin/iwconfig
[22:18] <paoligno> strange question: i want to test how is my screen if reduced from 15'' to 13.3'' . how can i do ?
[22:19] <force> mefistofele: lo        no wireless extensions.
[22:19] <force> mefistofele: eth0      no wireless extensions.
[22:20] <mefistofele> force: do pastes into http://paste.ubuntu.com next time plz
[22:20] <force> mefistofele:  wmaster0  no wireless extensions.
[22:20] <force> ok
[22:21] <edgar_> hola alguien podria
[22:21] <edgar_> ayudarme
[22:21] <edgar_> el comando en consola para entrar repositorios
[22:22] <force> mefistofele: i do it
[22:22] <mefistofele> force: could you also paste /sbin/ifconfig ?
[22:22] <BluesKaj> BBL... gotta go for a few hrs
[22:22] <force> ok
[22:22] <mefistofele> force: and the output of lsmod
[22:23] <mefistofele> force: and make me a sandwich
[22:23] <force> mefistofele: Done
[22:23] <force> mefistofele: :)
[22:24] <force> mefistofele: sandwich with hotdog ? :P
[22:24] <mefistofele> we'll see after I get a look at lsmod
[22:26] <force> mefistofele: done
[22:27] <mefistofele> force: what's the paste url?
[22:28] <force> mefistofele: 3 urls or i have to do 3 step with one url?
[22:30] <mefistofele> force: just paste everything into the one with some space inbetween things and give the url of that one
[22:31] <sourcemaker> after upgrading my system to kde4 rc1... no sound is present
[22:31] <force> mefistofele: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27852/
[22:32] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: I had that problem too... you need to go into the full mixer and turn some things up.  Unless... are you getting any error messages about sound device?
[22:33] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: there is a xine error
[22:33] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: what does it say
[22:33] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: and in phonon... the device is grey
[22:33] <mefistofele> force: well, that's good news - it means your wireless device is working.
[22:34] <mefistofele> force: turn WEP off on your router for now... what's the router ssid btw?
[22:34] <force> mefistofele: w1 is hide (Broadcats is off)
[22:34] <mefistofele> has anyone been on gentoo lately?
[22:35] <mefistofele> mefistofele: so the ssid is w1?
[22:35] <force> mefistofele: yup
[22:36] <mefistofele> mefistofele: ok, do /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 essid w1  and paste the output (into the channel here if it's 2 lines or less, into paste.ubuntu if longer)
[22:36] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers.
[22:36] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: that's not a good answer.  :/  have you rebooted since this upgrade?
[22:37] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: yes I have...
[22:37] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: the new kernel has been installed tpp
[22:37] <sourcemaker> too
[22:37] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: is that so.... ok
[22:38] <force> mefistofele: with "sudo" or not
[22:38] <mefistofele> force: with
[22:38] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: are you in kde4 now or kde3.5?
[22:39] <sourcemaker> mefistofele:  I am using kde 4rc1
[22:39] <force> mefistofele:
[22:39] <force> force@hpSuper:~$ sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid w1
[22:39] <force> force@hpSuper:~$
[22:39] <sourcemaker> mefistofele:  installed today
[22:39] <mefistofele> force: ok now paste.ubu the output of iwconfig and ifconfig again
[22:39] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: or better to say... upgraded today from 4.1b2 to 4.1rc2
[22:39] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: can you log into kde 3.t for a second?
[22:40] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: only because I'm in that at the moment and will be easier for me ;)
[22:40] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: I think this has more to do with the kernel upgrade than the kde upgrade but want to make sure
[22:41] <force> mefistofele: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27855/
[22:42] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: done... no sound present
[22:42] <mefistofele> force: ok, trying doing sudo dhclient wlan0
[22:44] <force> mefistofele: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27856/
[22:44] <force> mefistofele: I'm already connect to router by cable
[22:45] <kubuntu> geia se olous!
[22:45] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: it seems to be a kernel related problem... that's nice :-)
[22:45] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: yeah... not sure what do to htere
[22:45] <kubuntu> mipos kserei
[22:45] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: downgrade and use the old one
[22:46] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: oh well that doesn't sound like what the cool kids would do
[22:46] <mefistofele> force: ok, have you been able to connect to this router wirelessly with any other devices?
[22:47] <farigola> hello
[22:48] <force> mefistofele: yeah with many devices before, i have vista before on this laptop and i can connect to router by wireless
[22:48] <force> mefistofele: only with kubunu i can't connect to router
[22:49] <mefistofele> force: oh, I just took a second look at the iwconfig output and yeah it doesn't seem to be connecting at all. ok
[22:49] <mefistofele> hmmm 1 sec
[22:50] <force> mefistofele: wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet ( encapsulation should be another protocol?)
[22:54] <mefistofele> force: no that's ok.  can you paste me the output of  tail -300 /var/log/messages (might need sudo... forget)
[22:56] <sourcemaker> on kde4... there are a lof of icons not visible... (in kickoff and koqueror)... question mark icons... only... what's wrong?
[22:56] <mefistofele> force: also dmesg
[22:56] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: I've had the same thing... I think it's what we have to deal with using prerelease software (kinda badly packaged too)
[22:57] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: did you solve the problem? or still remains?
[22:57] <mefistofele> sourcemaker: I just let it go
[22:57] <sourcemaker> mefistofele: okay
[22:58] <k350> Hi, How can I put "logout" on the desktop?
[22:58] <k350> I mean , I want a logout icon on the desktop...
[22:59] <force> mefistofele: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27858/
[23:03] <mefistofele> force: arggh... ok, what dooes iwlist say?
[23:05] <force> mefistofele: http://paste.ubuntu.com/27859/
[23:06] <mefistofele> force: oh, sorry... I meant  iwlist wlan0 scanning
[23:08] <force> mefistofele: wlan0     Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable
[23:09] <mefistofele> force: well isn't that a son of a bitch
[23:09] <mefistofele> now we're gettin somewhere
[23:10] <force> mefistofele: Really I'm tired with this wireless :(
[23:13] <vertic23_> hey, how can I check what kind of ram I need in my PC?
[23:13] <mefistofele> force: are you sure you have 3945bg?
[23:13] <vertic23_> I got a P III
[23:13] <vertic23_> Coppermine
[23:14] <mefistofele> vertic23_: probably need like PC133 DIMMS or something like that
[23:14] <vertic23_> SD or DDR that would be?
[23:14] <mefistofele> SD
[23:15] <vertic23_> okay, kubuntu runs quite well on this machine
[23:15] <vertic23_> 256 mb only, but it's "ok"!
[23:16] <force> mefistofele: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945BG, yeah sure 100%
[23:16] <mefistofele> hmm oookay
[23:17] <mefistofele> force: well, try this then...  sudo modprobe ipw3945
[23:19] <force> mefistofele: FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found.
[23:22] <jereme> I can't seem to do dual display on kde3 with RandR without manually running xrandr every time I login...  I am using the radeon driver...  Anyone get this to work?
[23:24] <pc_> hello is it possible to load windows 98 on Kubutu?
[23:24] <jereme> pc_: sure, using VirtualBox or vmware
[23:24] <jereme> pc_: or any other virtualization software
[23:24] <pc_> on a older pc?
[23:25] <jereme> well virtualization won't work super great on an old PC, but how old are you talking?
[23:25] <mefistofele> force: do you still have network manager running?
[23:25] <force> mefistofele: yeah it is in systry
[23:26] <mefistofele> force: could you close it for a minute?
[23:26] <pc_> 900mhz
[23:26] <jereme> pc_: P4?
[23:26] <pc_> no
[23:26] <jereme> amd?
[23:27] <force> mefistofele: i close it now
[23:27] <pc_> no intel celeron
[23:27] <jereme> well, it could probably work... just not very fast
[23:27] <jereme> mmm celery
[23:27] <mefistofele> force: try doing iwlist wlan0 scanning again
[23:27] <jereme> shoot you could over clock that thing to 2GHz ;)
[23:27] <pc_> I want to do this as an experiment
[23:27] <jereme> what is your objective?
[23:27] <pc_> Another question
[23:28] <force> mefistofele: wlan0     Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable
[23:28] <mefistofele> ahhhh god dammit
[23:29] <pc_> I have a amd 64bit Gateway I was wondering would I be able to put on win 98SE? Then install Kubuntu on that?
[23:29] <vertic23_> why would one do that?
[23:29] <mefistofele> hey, 98 was a good os
[23:29] <force> mefistofele: by the way wlan0 assigned ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:29] <pc_> well I had xp and a virus done it in
[23:30] <vertic23_> so..?
[23:30] <mefistofele> pc_: you should be able to do that
[23:30] <force> mefistofele: default ip
[23:30] <mefistofele> force: well, it got one at elast
[23:30] <jereme> win98 on a 64-bit proc probably won't happen
[23:30] <pc_> I had restore disks but none of them work anymore
[23:30] <jereme> or it would be forced into 32-bit if that's even possible
[23:31] <vertic23_> I think it is, jereme
[23:31] <mefistofele> pc_: do you have more than 4 gigs of ram?
[23:31] <pc_> I think it probably wouldn't work
[23:31] <vertic23_> I mean on all "modern" CPUs you can do that
[23:31] <jereme> but when you say "put win98 on kubuntu" or "put kubuntu on win98" I'm not sure what you mean...
[23:31] <pc_> no I have 2 on that machine
[23:31] <vertic23_> but I think the kernel won't support that new CPUs
[23:31] <jereme> because you can dual boot, do virtualization,
[23:31] <jereme> use a liveCD
[23:31] <EnMasse187> hi, are there any working nintendo ds emulators for linux, i've heard desmume works, it needs gtk, i installed it and try to run it but on startup it closes...
[23:31] <mefistofele> pc_: also, it might not support all your hardware
[23:31] <vertic23_> just put in a kubuntu,
[23:31] <mefistofele> vertic23_: it's still x86.
[23:31] <vertic23_> and then be happy
[23:32] <vertic23_> mefistofele: but what about all the other drivers nobody wrote...
[23:33] <pc_> See here the thing I need some form of windows to run magic Jack voip telephone but I also want Kubuntu I like it
[23:33] <vertic23_> magic jack voip?
[23:33] <vertic23_> what's that?
[23:33] <mefistofele> yeah... I wonder if sata is even supported at all
[23:33] <vertic23_> don't think so ^^
[23:34] <pc_> It is a box that plugs into the usb port and allows me to make phone calls but it need windows to do this
[23:34] <vertic23_> how about ebay? ^^
[23:34] <vertic23_> and why win98 anyways?!
[23:34] <vertic23_> win2k is a 1000 times better idea
[23:35] <jereme> sata in 98?
[23:35] <jereme> there is no sata in 98
[23:35] <jereme> there's just no way
[23:35] <force> mefistofele: i will try again with wlan but i should disconnectd from lan to see again. Thanks
[23:35] <vertic23_> ...we can be happy that USB works :P somehow
[23:35] <jereme> ata, yes, sata, nohaps
[23:35] <pc_> Right now I have Kubuntu it the amd 64bit gateway... And I have win 98SE on disk from the old days
[23:35] <jereme> USB works'ish
[23:35] <mefistofele> pc_: you could also run windows via a virtual machine for your phone
[23:35] <jereme> back in '98 we still called it "plug-n-pray"
[23:35] <vertic23_> lmao - that's what I meant
[23:36] <pc_> yes Jeremy your right
[23:36] <vertic23_> hehe, didn't know that one
[23:36] <vertic23_> will write it onto my wall
[23:36] <pc_> is virtual machine linus based?
[23:36] <jereme> hehe
[23:36] <vertic23_> linus torvald?
[23:36] <jereme> pc_, a virtual machine can be linux based
[23:36] <vertic23_> pc_: try it...
[23:36] <mefistofele> pc_: yea, you could use qemu or ... what the hell is the name of that really popular one
[23:36] <jereme> pc_: for example, Sun's free VirtualBox product runs on Linux, Windows and OS X (possibly more to...)
[23:37] <vertic23_> can USB devices be passed through?
[23:37] <jereme> as does vmware
[23:37] <vertic23_> jereme:
[23:37] <kwuch> hello, rename of files is impossible, after a migration from gnome to kde. ä ö ü are replaced by ? . How can i fix this?
[23:37] <jereme> you're more likely to have usb success if you install kubuntu and run 98 in a VM than the other way around
[23:37] <vertic23_> yes, jereme - that was my question
[23:37] <jereme> I'm willing to bet that virtualbox, vwmare and pals won't run on 98
[23:37] <vertic23_> I will do that soon - with "linux" + "windows"
[23:37] <jereme> so running a win98 VM within linux is the better option
[23:38] <vertic23_> of course that way...
[23:38] <vertic23_> win98 as main os would be... hehe
[23:38] <jereme> plus it keeps the yucky winders contained
[23:38] <vertic23_> win98 as main OS was cool when win95 was "in"
[23:38] <pc_> I prefer running 98 within Kubuntu
[23:39] <vertic23_> of course you do ;)
[23:39] <pc_> So do you think I can do this?
[23:39] <vertic23_> worth a try!
[23:39] <vertic23_> chances are not bad
[23:39] <jereme> pc_: I think the only think that might go wrong is it might be a little sluggish
[23:39] <pc_> Is vmware free?
[23:39] <jereme> vmware is free, and so is virtualbox
[23:40] <vertic23_> I don't like virtualbox because it's java
[23:40] <jereme> classist
[23:40] <pc_> so the better is vmware?
[23:40] <jereme> </programming joke>
[23:40] <vertic23_> hehe
[23:40] <vertic23_> I was always good with vmware - I like it...
[23:40] <jereme> pc_: vmware has been in the game a long time
[23:41] <vertic23_> my first try with virtualbox was not so ....lucky
[23:41] <jereme> I've had great luck with virtualbox
[23:41] <pc_> Can I get it through synaptic?
[23:41] <jereme> but it's hard to argue with vmware being the best free option
[23:41] <vertic23_> well - you're a smart programmer ;)
[23:41] <jereme> there are no vmware packages... just download it from their site
[23:41] <jereme> navigating to the free version can be somewhat tricky
[23:41] <jereme> let me find it
[23:42] <jereme> damn they moved it again
[23:42] <jereme> this might take a second
[23:42] <pc_> ok take your time
[23:43] <vertic23_> hehe, like always... I love all those download sites - especially linux programs ...NO - not ONE download (the popular one which everybody wants) is just on top - no you can choose between CSV / beta, unstable - and in between is the one everybody wants :P
[23:43] <jereme> http://www.vmware.com/products/server/
[23:43] <jereme> well in the case of vmware, you choose from the 50 different enterprise version that cost money
[23:43] <jereme> and the tiny free version hidden somewhere within
[23:43] <jereme> it's like playing "Where's Waldo"
[23:44] <vertic23_> yeah - I forgot the commercial sites ;)
[23:44] <vertic23_> hehe, love him ^^
[23:44] <vertic23_> still got three books here
[23:44] <vertic23_> ;P
[23:45] <jereme> where's the vmware server console now on their site?
[23:45] <gvv> #kubuntu-es
[23:46] <jereme> they should make their site harder to browse
[23:46] <jereme> then I could just poke myself in the eye instead of looking for their products
[23:46] <pc_> thanks Jeremy!  Will it be difficult to do?
[23:47] <jereme> poking me in the eye?  no it's easy
[23:47] <jereme> just stick out your finger
[23:47] <jereme> as for vmware, the hardest part is installing it
[23:47] <jereme> it's easy after that
[23:47] <pc_> thanks jereme
[23:48] <jereme> you'll want the "VMWare Server for Linux" Binary (.tar.gz) and "VMWare Server Linux client package" which contains vmware-server-console which is how you connect to vmware server
[23:48] <jereme> ah crap, I've got a bug to fix over here, bbiab
[23:50] <gvv> hi
[23:51] <gvv> how are you??
[23:57] <force> back
[23:58] <force> mefistofele: still can't connect. how can i disable this driver and install new one from intel for linux platform ?