[01:33] <xygnal> this Survarium game is fun
[22:22] <Hey_> roaksoax: what should i name the windows 10 image when adding it maas?
[22:22] <Hey_> do I need to use somwe name=os/release id?


[08:30] <dot-tobias> Hi everyone.
[14:43] <mup> PR snapd#12474 opened: snap: provide more error context in `NotSnapError` <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12474>
[15:33] <mup> PR snapd#12475 opened: many: fix formatting for go1.19 <Skip spread> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12475>
[16:33] <mup> PR snapd#12476 opened: tests: cleanup the nested tests environment to avoid dirty tests directories <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12476>
[17:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#4011 opened: requirements: update dependencies <Created by tigarmo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4011>
[18:25] <mup> PR snapcraft#4012 opened: linters: migrate to ruff <Created by tigarmo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4012>
[20:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#4013 opened: tests: update ruby bundle v1 spread test <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4013>


[04:52] <micahg> Rcart: when marking bugs fix released, please state which version you found the bug fixed in
[05:08] <Rcart> micahg: Ok.
[06:22] <penalvch> micahg: Thank you for responding promptly to bug 714399, however I tried that switch in the CVE (--trust-server-names) and same problem as in the bug...
[06:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 714399 in wget (Ubuntu) "wget not downloading ExcelVeiwer.exe (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714399
[06:28] <micahg> penalvch: fascinating, idk then, feel free to reopen stating that you tried with --trust-server-names
[06:29] <penalvch> micahg: Done. Thank you for promptly addressing it, that's why Ubuntu rocks!
[06:30] <micahg> penalvch: you're welcome
[06:30] <penalvch> micahg: I would attempt upstreaming, but all the bug descriptions are out of my league. It's a low priority/minor inconvenience bug b/c I can just drop the hyperlink into Firefox. :)
[06:32] <micahg> penalvch: well, we should probably make sure our version didn't break as it seems Debian has a different way of handling this
[10:33] <dwg> blah
[10:33] <dwg> another subtle upstart/mountall bug, I think
[10:34] <dwg> looks like the script in procps.conf (which processes /etc/sysctl.conf) hasn't been running, since karmic...
[10:34] <dwg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/690433
[10:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 690433 in upstart (Ubuntu) "procps starts too early to correctly set net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]


[12:27] <davmor2> xivulon: Hi dude hows things
[12:28] <xivulon> davmor2, as bad as it gets
[12:29] <xivulon> less than 2w and everything is stacked
[12:30] <davmor2> just need to get wubi stablised and then we're rockin I think :)
[12:39] <xivulon> lots of straces in between...
[13:47] <xivulon> hmm cjwatson I think that this http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32685265/partman-auto-loop_0ubuntu17_0ubuntu18.diff.gz introduced some regression
[13:48] <xivulon> cannot pinpoint it yet, but upon second reboot I can go further without it
[19:39] <cjwatson> xivulon: well, possible, but without it grub can't generate proper menu files ...
[21:00] <Nivex> aww nuts.  Just did a root-on-iSCSI install and it can't see the root FS on initial boot :(
[21:02] <cjwatson> Nivex: if you can get me the logs, it will be one of my three priorities tomorrow
[21:02] <cjwatson> (the others being bug 440281 and wubi)
[21:04] <Nivex> It's sitting at an initrd busybox prompt now.  What would you like?
[21:05] <Nivex> wow, eth0 isn't even up.
[21:10] <Nivex> iscsistart is also not present
[21:14] <davmor2> cjwatson: I didn't think you were allowed priorities I thought you just had to "fix everything Now!" :)
[22:04] <cjwatson> Nivex: /var/log/syslog, please
[22:04] <cjwatson> Nivex: so open-iscsi isn't installed, by the sound of things
[22:04] <cjwatson> but I need to know why
[22:05] <cjwatson> Nivex: actually /var/log/partman *might* not be necessary but wouldn't hurt
[22:06] <Nivex> from the installer?
[22:07]  * Nivex is gonna have to rerun the install, isn't he?
[22:09] <cjwatson> no no
[22:09] <cjwatson> sorry, they're saved in /var/log/installer/
[22:14] <Nivex> ah ok.
[22:14] <Nivex> go go gadget kpartx!
[22:16] <Nivex> right... no ext4 on that server.
[22:17] <Nivex> ok, where you want them?  In a bug report?
[22:18] <cjwatson> yes please, on partman-iscsi
[22:22] <CIA-33> clock-setup: cjwatson * r211 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[22:22] <CIA-33> clock-setup: If we didn't manage to sync the clock to NTP, then don't set the
[22:22] <CIA-33> clock-setup: hardware clock. At best, all we'll be doing is writing back the value
[22:22] <CIA-33> clock-setup: present when d-i started plus d-i's run-time; at worst, we'll also
[22:22] <CIA-33> clock-setup: introduce a timezone error (LP: #440281).
[22:26] <Nivex> bug 454998
[22:30] <Nivex> I'm headed off to dinner with friends so I'll be afk probably the rest of the night (US/Eastern)
[22:40] <cjwatson> Nivex: thanks
[22:40] <cjwatson> huh, open-iscsi *is* installed, according to this
[22:54] <cjwatson> Nivex: I have a possible fix, but could you confirm for me whether /etc/iscsi/iscsi.initramfs exists, and if so what are its contents?


[12:27] <Coldbyte> Md are you there?
[01:26] <Coldbyte> staff members here?
[01:30] <neuralis> Coldbyte: this is not a support channel.
[01:35] <Coldbyte> i know that but Md is listed as staff member
[01:35] <Coldbyte> and i can't pm him about my registration issues as im not registered
[01:36] <zorglub> you should use the dedicated channels
[01:36] <zorglub> I suppose #help exists
[01:36] <Coldbyte> doesnt
[01:39] <Coldbyte> anyway type /who freenode/staff/*
[01:39] <Coldbyte> and you will see
[01:41] <neuralis> Coldbyte: you can always private message staff members.
[01:42] <Coldbyte> the message i get says smth else
[01:44] <Md> Coldbyte: everybody can send messages to staff, I have no clue why you believe this is not possible. anyway, if somebody is not answering usually insisting will not help much
[07:23] <dem> is there documentation on the job format; i'm trying to write a job to start the mythtv backend server
[07:26] <LarstiQ> dem: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/doc/getting-started.html ?
[07:28] <dem> yeah, but it dosen't really list (all) the events that I can use
[07:28] <LarstiQ> from what I gather, there is no limit
[07:29] <dem> i'm trying to figure out exactly what respawn does
[07:29] <dem> since it's in some jobs but not really documented anywhere
[07:30] <dem> for example can i respawn something as a certain user
[07:32] <dem> basicaly i'm trying to figure out, how to start the mythbackend deamon, and have it respawn in the case it goes down, as the mythtv user
[07:32] <LarstiQ> dem: sorry not to be able of help :/
[07:32] <dem> and a second script to start an Xserver with the mythtv-frontend, also repsawn that in the case it goes down, but only if the mythtv-database up
[07:33] <dem> that's okay, maybe some one knows
[07:34] <dem> i figured, hell there's this new stuff edgy, might as well use/get on the bandwagon
[07:57] <_ion> "respawn" respawns a daemon in case it dies.
[08:49] <dem> _ion: how do you variables in the job?
[08:50] <_ion> Do you mean environment variables?
[09:12] <dem> yeah
[09:13] <dem> well that too, but how would i do a deamon that respawns when it dies and also runs as a particular user?
[09:13] <alp> from a blog entry i saw, "The IPC mechanism used by upstart is not currently D-BUS because of various problems" -- i was wondering if there's a summary of what these problems are?
[09:24] <_ion> dem: env foo=bar
[09:24] <_ion> dem: Seems like there's no support for setting uid in jobs. It wouldn't be difficult to implement, though.
[09:25] <_ion> alp: There is lengthy discussion about that in the mailing list.
[09:28] <alp> _ion: any idea which list/timeframe?
[09:28] <alp> ah, there is an upstart-devel
[09:30] <alp> _ion: i don't see any pertinent threads
[09:34] <alp> i'm working on a dbus-compatible ipc implementation and want to make sure any limitations of libdbus and its daemons aren't carried on to mine
[09:42] <alp> the only discussion i could find (on the dbus list) relates to process activation


[04:16] <prgCoder> hi all, I am trying to compile some Embedded SQL/C programs on ubuntu server 12.04 and I keep getting the following error:
[04:16]  * genii twitches on !pastebin
[04:17] <prgCoder> libq.1.so: undefined reference to 'IIGchkobj'
[04:17] <prgCoder> ans some others - any ideas ?
[05:12] <lifeless> hallyn: hey - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1228977
[05:12] <lifeless> hallyn: its targeted to saucy, but doesn't appear to have had the changeset pulled in
[05:13] <lifeless> hallyn: there seems to be some procedural issue blocking it
[05:35] <hallyn> lifeless: yeah it needed the sru justification.  i was waiting on a test case.  thanks for providing it :)
[05:35] <lifeless> we'll see about running a test with it for you
[05:35] <lifeless> hallyn: do you need to update teh build in proposed to include the security updates?
[05:35] <hallyn> great, thanks.
[05:36] <hallyn> hm, maybe.  i didn't see the security updates go by
[05:37] <hallyn> i only see an 	1.1.1-0ubuntu8.5, so should be ok
[05:38] <hallyn> gotta run - ttyl
[06:08] <lifeless> hallyn: ciao
[06:21] <mastershake> hey guys im getting a "The system network service is not compatible with this version" error, can anyone lend a hand for a moment?
[06:32] <mastershake> anyone?
[06:33] <sarnold> mastershake: is that an exact quote or a guess?
[06:34] <mastershake> sarnold: just a question... i keep getting a "The system network service is not compatible with this version" error
[06:34] <mastershake> and i dont know how to correct it
[06:37] <sarnold> hrm, I can't find that string in the debian code search
[06:43] <mastershake> you dont have to be rude about it
[06:43] <sarnold> mastershake: sorry, it's not rude, just stating that my primary tool, source code, isn't much help here :/
[07:38] <hxm> hi, why is this? http://apaste.info/6Fb5
[07:40] <hxm> changed resolv
[08:23] <zetheroo> is there a way to stop jbd2 from running on certain disks?
[08:35] <Bitwise> Hello. I've set up postfix, dovecot, and roundcube, seemingly unsuccessfully. When I send an email using roundcube, the recipient never receives it. Same result with result with telnet. I'm thinking there is a problem with the postfix configuration but I really haven't changed much.
[08:37] <mardraum> Bitwise: read mail.log
[08:38] <Bitwise> mardraum, Touche. I tried to send an email to my gmail account: (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=gmail.com type=MX: Host not found, try again)
[08:44] <mardraum> sounds like dns is broken
[08:52] <Bitwise> I did postqueue -f and now it says network is unreachable and connection timed out.
[08:54] <mardraum> is your dns working
[08:55] <Bitwise> Well I'm connected and browsing the net fine right now.
[08:55] <mardraum> from the mail server?
[08:56] <Bitwise> I'm running the mail server on my primary machine.
[08:56] <mardraum> I don't know what that means
[08:58] <Bitwise> Yes, I'm browsing the web from my mail server.
[08:59] <Bitwise> Are the first two lines correct? http://pastebin.com/S15yrCGn
[09:50] <zetheroo> is there a way to stop jbd2 from running on certain disks?
[11:25] <love12>  guys i have squid3 installled in debian  but there is aproblem when i try to test from the serever"The system returned: (111) Connection refused"
[11:27] <ikonia> so #debian would be the right channel to talk about that in
[11:27] <ikonia> you can join that channel with "/join #debian"
[12:02] <zetheroo> is it possible to stop jbd2 from running on certain disks?
[12:05] <ikonia> zetheroo: it's a kenrel process, as I understand it, it needs to access each disk
[12:05] <ikonia> zetheroo: you can tune it for each disk/file system though
[12:05] <zetheroo> ikonia: it's very unwanted for disks on which we have live VM images ;)
[12:06] <ikonia> it may well be possible, but I think you'll have to "tune it" not to run, as opposed to disable it
[12:06] <ikonia> if you get what I mean
[12:06] <zetheroo> ok ... kinda ...
[12:07] <zetheroo> how does one go about "tuning" it?
[12:07] <ikonia> hdparm
[12:08] <zetheroo> hmmm ... I have only ever used hdparm for modifying the spin-down settings
[12:09] <ikonia> to be honest, the same here
[12:09] <ikonia> well, and a few other very minor settings
[12:13] <zetheroo> isn't jbd2 the journaling process?
[12:15] <zetheroo> I am trying to find how hdparm can be used to "tune" jbd2 ... all I see is how to use it to change the spin-down settings ...
[13:36] <wiherek> hi
[13:36] <wiherek> I am setting up a vpn, on Ubuntu
[13:37] <wiherek> when I set up the localip, should I keep my current ip?
[13:37] <wiherek> or can it be some other value?
[14:29] <roadmr> Hello ubuntu-server people. We're looking at removing checkbox (checkbox-cli package) from the ubuntu server image for several reasons. I'd like to ask if anybody has objections about this (or really any other comment about it)
[14:35] <jrwren> its already not in cloudimg, so I'm all for it :)
[14:35] <roadmr> jrwren: hehe :)
[14:42] <zul> roadmr:  why?
[14:53] <roadmr> zul: the candidate replacement has some packaging issues so we're looking at options to avoid delivering a bad experience
[14:53] <zul> roadmr:  ok cool
[14:54] <roadmr> zul: removing it is the "easy way out" but we may have a solution to keep it if people would still prefer to have it
[14:54] <zul> roadmr: im ambivalent to it :)
[14:55] <roadmr> zul: cool, feedback appreciated :)
[14:55] <rbasak> roadmr: maybe email the ubuntu-server mailing list? I don't think anybody will object, but we should make some reasonable effort to check with any stakeholders. Are there any other suitable lists?
[14:56] <roadmr> rbasak: maybe maas would be interested. The mailing list idea is good, but if you don't see an e-mail from me, it means we found a way to keep it alive :)
[14:57] <rbasak> OK, sounds good :)
[16:56] <hallyn> rbasak: what would be the best way to snapshot a uvt-kvm vm?
[16:58] <RoyK> hallyn: what's uvt?
[16:58] <rbasak> hallyn: however libvirt suggests doing it, so with virsh directly. I tried the other day though, and couldn't get it working. Pretty sure it's not libvirt-specific.
[16:59] <rbasak> hallyn: if it's awkward we can have uvtool wrap it, but I need to know how to do it with libvirt first :)
[16:59] <hallyn> RoyK: uvtool (see package in trusty)  it lets you quickly create/use ubuntu-cloud-iamge-based libvirt vms
[16:59]  * rbasak has been writing documentation this week
[16:59] <RoyK> k
[16:59] <hallyn> RoyK: http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/quickly-run-ubuntu-cloud-images-locally-using-uvtool/
[17:00] <RoyK> hi all. I have eth0 on int 19, and all interrupts are processed by core0, which is getting rather hot with >10k interrupts/s. I've set smp_affinity to 0f, having 4 cores, but it's still stuck at core 0. any idea why?
[17:00] <rbasak> Manpages specifically. Server guide later.
[17:00] <hallyn> rbaska: sounds good, thanks
[17:00] <hallyn> gah.  rbasak: ^
[17:00] <jrwren> that is awesome, thanks for that.
[17:00] <jrwren> i'd been doing the virsh create manually
[17:01] <hallyn> RoyK: might ask on #ubuntu-kernel...  i would expect smp_affinity to DTRT...  might be a bug
[17:01] <RoyK> DTRT?
[17:02] <jrwren> would be sweet if that uvt-kvm had a way to pass user-data to cloud-init
[17:02] <rbasak> jrwren: --user-data :)
[17:02] <rbasak> (sorry the manpage isn't written yet!)
[17:02] <jrwren> rbasak: a file?
[17:02] <rbasak> jrwren: yes, or there are options to add common things for you automatically
[17:02] <jrwren> excellent, thanks.
[17:03] <rbasak> eg. --ssh-public-key-file, --packages, --password, --run-script-once, etc.
[17:04] <jrwren> this is great. how easy is it to bzr branch lp:uvtool and run out of trunk?
[17:04] <rbasak> jrwren: ppa:uvtool-dev/trunk :)
[17:04] <jrwren> i mean I might want to patch.
[17:04] <rbasak> I run PYTHONPATH=. python bin/uvt-kvm. That works from the source tree.
[18:36] <foolhardy> after clean install, ubuntu server x32 hangs on boot at "fsck from util-linux"
[18:37] <foolhardy> strangely, going into recovery mode and selecting "resume normal boot" bypasses the issue
[18:37] <foolhardy> any idea how to fix it permanently
[18:37] <foolhardy> ?
[18:38] <foolhardy> http://i.imgur.com/EGN3uiu.png
[19:20] <foolhardy> fresh install of ubuntu server 32bit. first boot this happens: http://i.imgur.com/nJTv3ru.png and then http://i.imgur.com/EGN3uiu.png
[19:20] <foolhardy> any idea why?
[19:21] <RoyK> nothing else?
[19:21] <sarnold> first boot looks normal
[19:21] <sarnold> or, rather, nothin in the first boot screenshot looks surprising to me
[19:25] <jrwren> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes no 12.04.3 or 12.04.4 notes
[19:25] <foolhardy> I was worried that the ureadahead main process (246) terminated ... was a problem
[19:25] <sarnold> foolhardy: naah, ureadahead is always complaining about something. I just uninstall it.
[19:26] <foolhardy> it hangs here: http://i.imgur.com/EGN3uiu.png
[19:26] <foolhardy> never moves on
[19:26] <sarnold> now that -is- an issue :/
[19:27] <RoyK> foolhardy: can you boot it in single?
[19:27] <foolhardy> single?
[19:27] <foolhardy> going into recover mode and then selecting "resume normal startup" bypasses the issue
[19:27] <RoyK> recovery mode == single user mode
[19:28] <foolhardy> gotcha
[19:28] <foolhardy> dpkg and fsck do not fix
[19:28] <RoyK> fsck -f?
[19:28] <foolhardy> haven't tried that, doing now
[19:28] <RoyK> dpkg has nothing to do with this
[19:28] <RoyK> don't fsck a mounted filesystem
[19:29] <RoyK> unless it's mounted read only
[19:29] <foolhardy> http://i.imgur.com/Tbzlcjt.png
[19:29] <RoyK> looks good
[19:29] <RoyK> foolhardy: any reason for using 32bit?
[19:30] <foolhardy> it is virtualized so in trying to use as little resources as possible this vm has 1gb ram
[19:30] <foolhardy> I read that 64bit with less than 4gb ram runs very slowly
[19:31] <bekks> foolhardy: Thats a lie.
[19:31] <jpds> 'very slowly' ? I've never had that problem.
[19:31] <foolhardy> no?
[19:31] <bekks> foolhardy: No.
[19:31] <foolhardy> I have another vm with 2gb running 64bit but it is live now so I cannot change/replace it. I've never noticed an issue with it but I'm not guru.
[19:31] <foolhardy> ok, then. I'll just use 64bit
[19:32] <foolhardy> thanks a lot for the info
[19:32] <sarnold> foolhardy: 64 bit in 'small' machines does waste some memory for the double-sized pointers, but the extra registers on the CPU and indirect addressing modes of the CPU are fantastic for processing speed
[19:32] <RoyK> foolhardy: you can use 512MB for a 64bit VM without issues
[19:32] <RoyK> just depends what you're running on it
[19:32] <foolhardy> tomcat server is it
[19:32] <RoyK> I've had VMs with as low as 128MB on 64bit
[19:32] <foolhardy>  /java
[19:32] <foolhardy> well, great. THanks a lot for the great info.
[19:33] <foolhardy> I love you.
[19:33] <sarnold> (though in all honesty, 32bit _should_ work better than this.)
[19:33] <foolhardy> this is 12.04 lts. I had the same issue with 12.04.3 about six months ago and thats why I went 64bit on the other "live" machine. Only later to read that this was bad with less than 4gb.
[19:34] <RoyK> sarnold: obviously, yes
[19:34] <foolhardy> But now I know better.
[19:34] <foolhardy> 64bit 4eva
[19:35] <RoyK> foolhardy: saving resources by running in 32bit might not be a good idea. the 32bit instruction set has fewer registers, so things can't be optimized that well
[19:38] <sarnold> at some point in the future ubuntu will have support for a mixed mode of 32bit addressing but with the full 64bit instruction set, which will provide -some- memory savings for small vm instances, but I can't imagine that it'd free up more than 3-5% of memory
[19:42] <bekks> Well, basically there is no need to ride the dead horse named "32bit" when having 64bit hardware.
[19:44] <RoyK> bekks: indeed
[19:45] <RoyK> standardising on a common platform just makes things easier
[19:45] <RoyK> not that everything should run AMD64, but still
[19:47] <bekks> 32bit is dead for more than a decade in almost all home computers - and it's artifically revived by 32bit netbooks.
[19:50] <RoyK> bekks: I don't think there are much 32bit netbooks anymore
[19:50] <RoyK> even atom has been 64bit for years
[19:51] <bekks> RoyK: Yeah do have 64bit atoms nowadays, but there are still zillions of 32bit netbooks in use out there.
[19:52] <RoyK> sure - I have one ;)
[19:52] <bekks> Me too :P
[19:52] <RoyK> but the netbooks more or less died out when the pads came around
[20:41] <paco11> hello masters!
[20:42]  * RoyK waves
[20:43] <paco11> i have 12.04 with kernel 3.8.0-35-generic x64. It's fully supported to install the "saucy" kernel? (linux-image-generic-lts-saucy|linux-image-3.11.0-17-generic). thanks very much!
[20:44] <RoyK> paco11: why do you need 3.11?
[20:45] <paco11> to avoid the performance problem with kernels 3.0 to 3.9
[20:52] <paco11> RoyK: what do you think?
[20:57] <RoyK> paco11: what are those performance issues?
[20:59] <paco11> write performance
[21:07] <rabbel> clear
[21:07] <bekks> paco11: Can you be more precise please? I havent noticed "the performance issue" yet, using Linux on a variety of boxes.
[21:10] <paco11> i have good write performance in my ldap servers with 2.6.32 than 3.8.0
[21:13] <bekks> I dont have any issue with 3.2.0, 3.5, 3.8 as well.
[21:22] <paco11> http://lwn.net/Articles/486311/ | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1309.1/01585.html | http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-technical/201309/msg00187.html
[21:33] <foolhardy> anyone here run ubuntu server in proxmox?
[21:38] <sarnold> heh, I saw the question before the nick, I was just about to say "hey foolhardy does..." :)
[21:38] <foolhardy> My issue from earlier apparently wasn't connected directly with the 32bit edition, nor a single proxmox node.    :/
[21:38] <sarnold> :/
[21:39] <foolhardy> I can duplicate the issue on two different machines
[21:41] <sponzor> hi. my server is having 100% rame usage 24/7 http://pastebin.com/gNktmvzN
[21:41] <sponzor> host is on esxi server
[21:42] <sponzor> the rest of the server have normal usage.. but this one having 100 all the time
[21:42] <sarnold> sponzor: what do the swap in and swap out columns of 'vmstat 1' look like?
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> sponzor: its only using 50% ram there
[21:44] <hitsujiTMO> sponzor: read the -/+ buffers/cache line. thats how much ram is actually being used. the rest is just filesystem buffering which gets dumped the moment an app actually needs the ram
[21:46] <sarnold> sponzor: in general "unused ram is wasted ram" -- but if you're seeing swap traffic, that could be indicative of something worse
[21:46] <sarnold> sponzor: using two megabytes of cache seems fine on a first guess, though.
[21:48] <hitsujiTMO> also swap only starts getting used when you hit 60% of ram usage(thats the default vm.swappiness) ... sinces there's only 2mb of swap used, that does suggest you're only barely going over that 60% at most
[21:49] <sponzor> yeah but 8gb memory usage in esxi doesnt loke nice. can i release un used ram in ubuntu?
[21:49] <RoyK> sponzor:  it's 2MB out of 8GB
[21:50] <RoyK> sponzor: linux swaps out things not in use
[21:50] <RoyK> sponzor: it doesn't matter!
[21:50] <RoyK> sponzor: you can turn off swapping if you like, sysctl vm.swappiness = 1, but I wouldn't recommend it
[21:51] <sarnold> sponzor: then I suggest your esxi monitoring tools are busted
[21:51] <hitsujiTMO> sponzor: "doesn't look nice" is a rather naive excuse for trying to free up the filesystem buffers. You're wanting to break optimisations just to skew usage figures
[21:51] <RoyK> sarnold: esxi monitoring doesn't take into account what linux is using its memory for
[21:51] <sarnold> RoyK: figures
[21:52] <RoyK> sponzor: what sort of server is this?
[21:52] <sponzor> mail server zimbra
[21:52] <RoyK> hungry beast, zimbra
[21:52] <RoyK> but 8 gigs should do for most
[21:52] <RoyK> how many users?
[21:52] <hitsujiTMO> sponzor: all modern operating systems do this, windows, osx, unix, linux ... they all take advbantage of unused ram
[21:52] <sponzor> 40 users
[21:55] <RoyK> sponzor: check out the munin plugins for monitoring zimbra
[21:55] <RoyK> they're quite good
[21:58] <sponzor> will try that.. i see it can be integrated with nagios witch we alrady run
[21:59] <RoyK> munin plugins with nagios?
[22:00] <RoyK> I've ditched nagios - using icinga - but the plugin format is the same
[22:02] <sarnold> RoyK: any thoughts on shinken?
[22:03] <RoyK> sarnold: haven't heard of it before now
[22:03] <sarnold> ah :)
[22:07] <sponzor> did tryed icinga... almsot the same as nagios. but we stay with nagios for now.. have 9 servers in distributed environment.. so its a pain to switch.. if we had money for xi work would be so easyer :D
[22:08] <RoyK> 9 nagios boxes?
[22:08] <RoyK> how many units are you montoring?
[22:10] <sponzor> 50-200 per box
[22:11] <RoyK> ok
[22:11] <RoyK> may I ask where you work? around 1k boxes seems rather a lot
[22:11] <sponzor> this could be done with only one nagios server.. but locked networks. for security reasons we had to deploy nagiso servers to remote sites
[22:12] <RoyK> ic
[23:12] <jrwren> why would you not want to use every byte of ram you have ?
[23:24] <rostam> Hi I am using ubuntu 12.04, I have installed dhcp server on my system.  By default when system reboots, the dhcp server is enabled, I like to change the default behavior for boot time. How could i do that? thx
[23:27] <sarnold> rostam: echo manual > /etc/init/nameofservice.override  -- see the cookbook for details http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files
[23:29] <rostam> sarnold, thanks


[05:59] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[07:25] <elacheche> Hello africa
[07:25] <QA> elacheche: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell elacheche fix your mirror https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors" 12 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago
[08:05] <elacheche> Kilos, I'll contact that maintainer..
[08:05] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[08:05] <Kilos> and elacheche
[08:05] <elacheche> hey Kilos :)
[08:14] <elacheche> Kilos!!!
[08:14] <elacheche> You see!
[08:14] <Kilos> see what?
[08:15] <elacheche> You forgot to remember me to add the 20pm board to the fridge calendar x)
[08:15] <elacheche> I did it just now :) http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/ check
[08:15] <Kilos> oh my , sorry
[08:16] <elacheche> I did it just now :) http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/ check
[08:17] <Kilos> well done
[08:17] <elacheche> We'll have at least 2 persons for tomorrow :)
[08:19] <Kilos> i have my thunderbird mail set to tell me when something appears on the fridge calender
[08:19] <Kilos> inetpro  helped me
[08:19] <Kilos> i get told of all events
[08:19] <Kilos> 5am every day
[08:33] <elacheche> cool :)
[08:37] <Kilos> cyrilb  morning, i have added you as a member , can you just go join the mailing list please
[08:47] <ariabbas> .
[08:47] <Kilos> hi ariabbas
[08:50] <ariabbas> Kilos: ;-)
[08:50] <Kilos> :)
[11:38] <Kilos> aw the guy from france is gone
[13:39] <Kilos> elacheche  you weak in the legs yet?
[13:42] <elacheche> Kilos, don't understand?
[13:43] <Kilos> no coffee
[13:45] <elacheche> yeah no coffee
[13:46] <Kilos> lol well man thats what i mean, is the craving making you weak in the legs
[13:47] <elacheche> yeah a little bit
[13:47] <Kilos> haha never mind it will keep being less and less
[13:49] <elacheche> x)
[18:17] <qwebirc26550> hi
[18:17] <Kilos> hi qwebirc26550
[18:17] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-africa
[18:20] <qwebirc26550> thx
[18:20] <qwebirc26550> you can complete information about Ubuntu DR congo on the portal?
[18:21] <Kilos> yes i think so
[18:21] <Kilos> you can mail me as well
[18:22] <qwebirc26550> you can give me your email?
[18:23] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:31] <qwebirc26550> Done
[18:31] <Kilos> cool ty also you can go join us on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[18:31] <Kilos> there is a mailing list there as well
[18:32] <qwebirc26550> done too
[18:32] <Kilos> i approved you
[18:33] <Kilos> hi rene nice to meet you
[18:33] <qwebirc26550> nice to meet you too
[18:33] <Kilos> what operating system do you use
[18:34] <Kilos> you can install an irc client then you dont need to get here from the site
[18:34] <qwebirc26550> always ubuntu
[18:34] <Kilos> great
[18:34] <qwebirc26550> i use pidgin
[18:34] <Kilos> ok
[18:35] <Kilos> i use pidgin for other im's
[18:35] <Kilos> mxit aol msn etc
[18:35] <qwebirc26550> i will try
[18:35] <Kilos> hexchat is easy
[18:38] <Kilos> qwebirc26550  you can add your loco here too
[18:38] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[18:38] <Kilos> we will be having our first meeting in about 3 weeks time
[18:41] <qwebirc26550> ahhh ok, i can have the program about the meeting
[18:41] <Kilos> i will send out an email the day before
[18:41] <Kilos> mainly we want to get to know each other and plan for the future
[18:42] <qwebirc26550> ok
[18:42] <Kilos> do you like our site?
[18:43] <Kilos> if you hit refresh a few times the background changes
[18:44] <Kilos> 5 or 6 different backgrounds
[18:54] <Kilos> hi coco11
[19:21] <Kilos> hi philipballew  how are you?
[19:21] <Kilos> ty cyrilb
[19:27] <philipballew> Kilos, alright. Busy job hunting currently.
[19:28] <Kilos> good luck lad
[19:44] <philipballew> kenju254, thanks. Gonna need it.


[15:42] <CIA-24> debian-installer: cjwatson * r903 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20070308ubuntu36
[15:44] <CIA-24> debian-installer: cjwatson * r902 ubuntu/ (9 files in 4 dirs): * Move to 2.6.24-15 kernels.
[17:04] <exodos> hi, is there any option to use ubuntu-installer on xen domU?
[17:05] <exodos> or: is xen aware kernel included in any of the installation CDs?
[21:31] <N1ghtCrawler> Hello, I am working on a multiboot cd to have de option to install multiple OSes from the same cd/dvd. Currently I am testing with debian and Ubuntu (alternate) on the cd. I have managed to start the installer but when it's about to mount the cd it fails. I think its becaus I have changed the catalog strukture on the cd, istead of having the content of ubuntu install cd on the cdroot, I have it  in /ubuntu
[21:31] <N1ghtCrawler> Does anyone knows how to make this work or have any hint whats going wrong?
[21:32] <N1ghtCrawler> I have not been able to mount the initrd.gz to look how it's looking there. When I user "mount -t ext2" i get "bad superblock" or something like that.
[21:32] <N1ghtCrawler> Maby there is something in there assuming there should be certain files in the cd root.
[22:23] <cjwatson> N1ghtCrawler: did you perhaps leave the .disk directory out of the CD root by mistake?
[22:23] <cjwatson> initrd.gz is a gzipped cpio archive, for the record; however 'apt-get source cdrom-detect' is a rather easier way of looking at the component in question!
[22:24] <cjwatson> ah, if you've moved it all to /ubuntu, then you're going to have to fiddle with the installer in several different places to teach it where to look
[22:24] <cjwatson> and the same for Debian if you've moved it - the installer fundamentals are the same
[22:25] <cjwatson> not actually going to be terribly easy
[22:29] <N1ghtCrawler> Oh, too bad :/
[22:30] <cjwatson> basically a number of bits of the installer expect things to be in /cdrom
[22:30] <N1ghtCrawler> And putting both debian and ubuntu on the cdroot wont work either.
[22:30] <N1ghtCrawler> they are to similar.
[22:31] <cjwatson> rather than hunt-and-pecking all of them, you could hunt-and-peck the rather fewer number of places in the installer that mount /cdrom, and arrange for those to mount --bind /cdrom/ubuntu /cdrom
[22:31] <cjwatson> would still be tricky but not quite so hard
[22:31] <cjwatson> right, the .disk directories will overlap
[22:31] <cjwatson> although apart from that you ought to be pretty much fine
[22:31] <cjwatson> oh, no, that's not true
[22:32] <cjwatson> it's possible to have binary packages with the same version number whose physical contents differ between Debian and Ubuntu, due to having been rebuilt - so you might get conflicts in /cdrom/pool too
[22:32] <cjwatson> unfortunately
[22:33] <N1ghtCrawler> yeah, i wonder how others have solved it. I cant be the first who tries this
[22:35] <N1ghtCrawler> the changes in the installer that has to be done, how mutch and what is it? It's not only alot of config files but binaries with hardcoded paths in them?
[22:38] <cjwatson> no configuration files
[22:38] <cjwatson> mostly shell scripts with hardcoded paths
[22:38] <cjwatson> if you ignore my advice to just touch the places that mount /cdrom and use a bind-mount, then some C programs as well
[22:39] <cjwatson> I think changing /var/lib/dpkg/info/cdrom-detect.postinst in the initrd should be sufficient for a first cut
[22:39] <cjwatson> (with the bind-mount approach)
[22:41] <N1ghtCrawler> Okay, how do i edit the files in initrd? Download the soure and "compiling" it again after I have made the changes?
[22:56] <cr3> in the list of packages provided to pkgsel, is there a way to specify force-yes?
[22:58] <cjwatson> N1ghtCrawler: what you could do is just unpack it into a temporary directory (as root, mkdir tmp && cd tmp && zcat ../initrd.gz | cpio -id), edit, repack (as root in the tmp directory you unpacked, find . | cpio --quiet -o -H newc > ../initrd.gz
[22:59] <cjwatson> err
[22:59] <cjwatson> find . | cpio --quiet -o -H newc | gzip -9c > ../initrd.gz
[22:59] <cjwatson> cr3: pkgsel already passes -y (--assume-yes). No, there isn't. Why do you need to pass --force-yes?
[23:00] <cjwatson> as the manual page says, it's only necessary in very special circumstances
[23:04] <N1ghtCrawler> cjwatson: Thanks alot. Will try that now. Who knows, maby one day i can help develop ubuntu :O
[23:04] <cr3> cjwatson: because I just tried an install and the keyring seems to have changed
[23:05] <cr3> cjwatson: so, I first tried to apt-get installing debian-archive-keyring from pre-pkgsel.d, but that didn't work because the sources.list at that point only points to a repository corresponding to the iso image being tested
[23:06] <cr3> cjwatson: if I could somehow get the key from the archive repository, perhaps I could wget url -O - | chroot /target apt-key add -, but I'm not finding a key on archive.ubuntu.com
[23:06] <cjwatson> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/project/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg
[23:06] <cr3> there's a gpg under project, I'll give that a whilr
[23:07] <cjwatson> that's the one. apt looks there too
[23:07] <cjwatson> I was not aware that the keyring had changed
[23:07] <cjwatson> not since 3 March anyway
[23:08] <cjwatson> I'm also not sure why it should pose a problem - the one in the installer initrd ought to be in sync
[23:08] <cjwatson> and the actual key id hasn't changed forever
[23:08] <cjwatson> debian-archive-keyring would be useless to you unless you're trying to install Debian
[23:09] <cr3> cjwatson: odd, I was installing a beta image, so March 3rd was way before
[23:10] <cr3> this is going to be fun, I use apt-cacher to retrieve files which are not on the iso image and it doesn't support .gpg files :)
[23:11] <cr3> I guess that means it's time to go overkill with squid
[23:30] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, I updated the branch per what you had said yesterday and verified it this time across a two drive system to make sure the correct drive was being picked: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~superm1/partman-auto/edd-improvements
[23:44] <N1ghtCrawler> cjwatson: i cant find /var/lib/dpkg/info/cdrom-detect.postinst in the initrd :/
[23:45] <N1ghtCrawler> emn nvm..
[23:46] <N1ghtCrawler> i was in ty already installed ubuntus /var ><


[06:46] <didrocks> good morning
[07:01] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[07:03] <didrocks> salut jibel
[08:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[09:03] <Laney> HEY HEY!
[09:05] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, hey Laney
[09:05] <oSoMoN> heyhey Laney, salut didrocks
[09:09] <Laney> moin didrocks oSoMoN, how's it going?
[09:11] <oSoMoN> I had a very good time on the ski slopes :) how are you?
[09:11] <Laney> oh yes! great
[09:11] <Laney> yesterday some friends were telling me about their trip which they did last week
[09:12] <Laney> black runs sound scary :'(
[09:12] <Laney> I'm alright, was quite tired this morning though so I slept in verrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy late
[09:12] <Laney> which was a good idea
[09:12] <Laney> it's pretty dark outside, think it's going to rain
[09:13] <didrocks> Laney: good good, already HOing with j_ibel and talking about curtin and such :p
[09:13] <didrocks> you?
[09:13] <didrocks> oSoMoN: happy that you enjoy your time skying!
[09:14] <Laney> good old curtin
[09:16] <seb128> good morning (from the tram) desktopers!
[09:18] <seb128> jbicha, you saw that gnome-desktop failed to build right?
[09:24] <Laney> moin seb128
[09:25] <seb128> hey Laney!
[09:43] <seb128> & back from co-working space
[10:40] <Trevinho> Laney: c'mon black slopes are THE FUN :)
[10:41] <Trevinho> well, if they're in good conditions.
[10:41] <Laney> NO
[10:41]  * Laney hides under the bed
[10:50] <Trevinho> Laney: the day we'll do the snow sprint, you'll hug me and ask forgive!
[10:51] <Laney> Trevinho: i'll ask you to take me to some nice rocks to climb instead :>
[10:51] <Trevinho> icy rocks
[10:51] <Trevinho> how can be that feel you safer?! :o
[10:52] <Laney> oooh never done that
[10:52] <Laney> basically going up is good, going down is bad
[10:52] <Trevinho> I'd love to try hike icy falls, but I guess I have not the preparation for :/
[10:52] <Trevinho> also, pictures are nicer from far away than when you're doing it :-D
[10:57] <Laney> :P
[10:57] <Laney> I'd guess you can get people to take you in a safe way
[12:04] <Trevinho> ok, so we need this rewrite for dash to dock... https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/881
[12:04] <gitbot> micheleg issue (Pull request) 881 in dash-to-dock "Rewrite code to use modern ES6 code and remove Lang features" [Open]
[12:04] <Trevinho> andyrock: ^
[12:05] <andyrock> Trevinho: I'll take a look in the afternoon
[12:05] <Trevinho> I've emailed upstream yesterday too but no reply so far
[12:41] <jbicha> seb128: yes, it's on my list
[12:41] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[12:41] <jbicha> (gnome-desktop3), it built here before I uploaded
[12:41] <seb128> jbicha, should we sync cheese?
[12:41] <jbicha> yes
[12:46] <seb128> jbicha, also webkit2gtk?
[12:47] <jbicha> mmm, maybe better to wait on webkit until the next point release
[12:47] <seb128> k
[12:49] <jbicha> we also want LP: #1811824 for webkit although we can use ENABLE_BUBBLEWRAP_SANDBOX=OFF temporarily (the Debian experimental version does that because the package wasn't in Debian as of the last upload)
[12:55] <Trevinho> oh this is a nice one https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/ParentalAndMetered2019 great that Laney is going
[12:57] <jbicha> URL sounds a bit like a concert name
[13:06] <Laney> \m/
[13:14] <Trevinho> it's even true that these days I've basically unlimited 4g in tethering but it's not always the case when travelling
[13:51] <ricotz> Trevinho, hi, could you land https://code.launchpad.net/%7Erobert-ancell/libunity/update-deprecation-tags/+merge/353363
[14:07] <Trevinho> ricotz, created https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3641 but need to someone else for publishing
[14:18] <ricotz> Trevinho, I guess I have not the rights to do that?
[14:21] <ricotz> this doesnt look good https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3641/+packages
[14:21] <Trevinho> ricotz: if you can upload you can
[14:21] <ricotz> I can't upload
[15:25] <Trevinho> ricotz: mh you may need to install the Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::python3 can you resubmit a followup MP maybe?
[15:33] <ricotz> Trevinho, I guess it is just missing dh-python
[15:36] <Trevinho> ricotz: so it seems
[15:48] <ricotz> Trevinho, this will take some time, there are actual syntax errors
[16:28] <ricotz> Trevinho, ok, I am not really comfortable with fixing those syntax issues


[00:04] <poolie> kfogel: can you make https://help.launchpad.net/API not restricted access please?
[00:05] <poolie> and/or add me to admingroup
[00:12] <kfogel> poolie: you can't edit it?
[00:12] <kfogel> poolie: I'll see if I can -- not sure I can or not.
[00:12] <poolie> no
[00:12] <poolie> i don't know if there's a plan about what access it should have
[00:12] <poolie> but i'd favor wiki mode
[00:13] <wgrant> Speaking of wiki mode... is there a reason that the channel is +t?
[00:14] <mwhudson> wgrant: freenode yay
[00:14] <kfogel> poolie: I can't change the ACL there
[00:14] <kfogel> poolie: filing an RT now
[00:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: Hm? It never was before.
[00:14] <wgrant> Thanks.
[00:14] <wgrant> It's handy to be able to set it for issues when nobody is around.
[00:14] <mwhudson> wgrant: i think freenode changed a lot of channels a week or so ago due to some spam problem
[00:14] <wgrant> Right. But that should be fixed with the new ircd.
[00:14] <mwhudson> ah ok
[00:15] <mwhudson> in general freenode seems to have a habit of interfering with my use of the network to help with problems i have never experienced
[00:15] <mwhudson> but hey, maybe i'm just lucky
[00:16] <poolie> heh
[00:25] <kamalmostafa> hi launchpadders -- i'm aware of bug 471225, but is there any way to request that my PPA signing key comment be changed by an admin?
[00:42] <kermiac_> can someone please look into this user? https://edge.launchpad.net/~yahoo-sun
[00:43] <kermiac_>  Bug #526135 reported by join (yahoo-sun: 0) 12 minutes ago
[00:45] <kermiac_> ^^^ it is obvious he/she is a spammer, look at the bug that was filed
[01:11] <maxb> Filing one incredibly nonsensical bug feels more like someone who's just very very confused, than spam, to me
[01:36] <kermiac_> maxb: I thought that the person would be classified as a spamer (i.e. advertising) due to them only joining today & they made their name be "join #yahoo-sun"
[01:37] <kermiac_> isn't that advertising?
[01:37] <kermiac_> also, the title of the only bug report (that I can find) is "#yahoo_sun"
[01:37] <maxb> well it's pretty poor advertising given it doesn't even tell you which network the channel might be on
[01:38] <kermiac_> yes, that is true... but whoever said that spammers need to be smart?
[01:38] <kermiac_> it just seems to be advertising to me
[01:39] <kermiac> don't you think it would be classified as advertising?
[01:40] <maxb> I think it's sufficently borderline that it's unlikely to convince an admin to suspend the user
[01:41] <kermiac> ok, fair enough maxb. nvm - I may be simply being overly sensitive to the issue due to the amount of spammers that we have come across over the last 2 weeks
[01:41] <maxb> yes, it's been a bad fortnight, hasn't it :-/
[01:42] <kermiac> yes, indeed it has :(
[01:42] <kermiac> that may be the reason that this jumped out at me
[01:42] <kermiac> to me it was screaming "I am yet another spammer"
[01:43] <kermiac> thanks for the discussion maxb :)
[01:44] <maxb> I'd suggest that unless they do something more objectionable, it's not worth the effort of trying to ask them not to :-)
[02:19] <poolie> thumper: is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr-hg/+bug/516758 the one you were refering to?
[02:19] <thumper> poolie: yes
[02:27] <patx> how would won get a canonical/launchpad/???? cloak? or do u have to be like an employee?
[02:28] <mwhudson> patx: yes, it's an employee thing
[02:28] <patx> oh ok :) thanks :)
[02:29] <poolie> patx, see the discussion of cloaks on freenoden.te
[02:29] <poolie> .net
[02:29] <poolie> i think ubuntu members can get them too
[02:53] <persia> Ubuntu Members can get cloaks, but not launchpad cloaks.
[02:54] <persia> Depending on the number of external contributors, it might be interesting to investigate a bit, and maybe offer a cloak at some threshold of sustained contribution
[03:05] <mrmcq2u> What does having a bug marked as invalid mean?
[03:06] <persia> mrmcq2u: It usually means that someone decided that the bug isn't really a bug in some way.  Is there a specific bug that you want more information about?
[03:07] <mrmcq2u> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/275651
[03:07] <persia> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses is recommended semantic application of the names, although some projects use them a little differently.
[03:08] <persia> Ah, for that bug, #ubuntu-bugs is probably a more useful specific forum, just because the Ubuntu project is more likely to be familiar with bug policies for bugs in Ubuntu (but I'll try to answer here if it's obvious)
[03:08] <mrmcq2u> cool
[03:10] <persia> mrmcq2u: Looks like it got marked "Invalid" because you took too long to get back to the query (in the opinion of the triager).  Since another user "confirmed with 9.04", it maybe sensible to change that back to "Confirmed", but you can get a more authoritative answer in #ubuntu-bugs
[03:11] <mrmcq2u> cool, thanks
[03:11] <persia> mrmcq2u: Based on the dates in the report, you might also want to make sure it still happens with latest updates, etc. :)
[03:26] <mrmcq2u> yup.. its still an issue
[06:57] <persia> wgrant: Seems that there is a strong interest in getting bugs #55795 and #523093 fixed before implementing native-source-syncing, as otherwise there would be a regression in the production of the -changes mails, so it is worth fixing that first.
[06:58] <persia> https://dev.launchpad.net/Ubuntu/InfrastructureNeeds seems to have a highlight of current status (the spec is quite old)
[06:59] <wgrant> persia: Wouldn't the fix be to just stop clobbering Changed-By and store/present the copier elsewhere?
[06:59] <persia> That'd be part 1.
[07:00] <persia> Part 2 is about actually using data from the package, rather then random info in the LP DB.
[07:00] <wgrant> Right.
[07:00] <wgrant> But this is distro-related work, so it's never going to get done.
[07:01] <persia> That might be why I'm asking you about it :)
[07:02] <wgrant> persia: Did you talk to bigjools about it at all, or just distro people?
[07:02] <persia> Just distro people.  I didn't catch bigjools.
[07:03] <wgrant> persia: Also, how is sponsorship going to work with a native syncing workflow?
[07:03] <wgrant> For merges we have MPs.
[07:03] <wgrant> For syncs, there is nothing that seems to fit.
[07:03] <persia> I haven't quite figured that out, but I'm thinking about it.
[07:03] <wgrant> Still, it cannot be any worse than it is now.
[07:03] <persia> On the other hand, I'm not sure that there's a lot of value in giving sponsor credit for syncs.
[07:04] <persia> If the person did the work in Debian to make it a sync, they get changelog credit anyway (usually, or at least by bug reference), and if they didn't, I'm not sure they did that much.
[07:04] <persia> The issue is more requesting that someone process syncs, but that can end up as bugs in the sponsor queue until we come up with something better.
[07:04] <wgrant> persia: It needs to be recorded and displayed somewhere for accountability, though...
[07:05] <persia> I don't have any issues with making the person who pressed the button accountable.
[07:05] <persia> That doesn't make sense now, because there's only ~10 people with the button, but it would make sense with ~150 people.
[07:05] <wgrant> So you don't care about crediting the requester of a sponsored sync, just the sponsor?
[07:05] <persia> In the short term, not so much.
[07:06] <persia> I think there is some value there, but I'm not convinced it's easy.
[07:06] <wgrant> That's what I thought. Good.
[07:06] <wgrant> Right, it's much harder.
[07:06] <persia> I suppose that SyncSource could be extended to take an optional "requestor" argument, and we could expect sponsors to give credit when they thought it appropriate.
[07:06] <persia> Err, syncSource
[07:07] <wgrant> That's not necessary for an initial implementation, though.
[07:07] <persia> Right.
[07:08] <persia> Note that I did receive feedback that open access to "syncSources" was not preferable, and just to syncSource.
[07:09] <persia> Or, no.  I'm misinterpreting +apidoc
[07:09] <persia> But not enabling random folk to press the autosync button.
[07:10] <wgrant> Was the discussion held on a public medium that I can review?
[07:10] <persia> So, I think the issues are 44795, 523093, and that syncSource needs to push to the queue, rather than raw pocket-copy.
[07:10] <wgrant> 55795, you mean?
[07:11] <persia> Sorry, yes.
[07:11] <wgrant> Plus permissions.
[07:11] <persia> Right.
[07:11] <wgrant> And announcement (but that probably goes along with the queue)
[07:11] <persia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/22/#ubuntu-installer.txt has one snippet (from 19:10, but really from 19:29).  Most isn't reviewable.
[07:13] <wgrant> Ah.
[07:17] <wgrant> I think +changelog is probably a lost cause.
[07:17] <wgrant> I cannot see a way to make it much more sane (apart from not mangling changed-by, and not faking the final changelog line)
[07:23] <persia> I agree, but cjwatson pointed out that we need to preserve the experience for -changes readers.  Any ideas there?
[07:25] <wgrant> Well, that needs to be completely rewritten for copying from Debian.
[07:25] <wgrant> Since the imported Debian uploads don't have changes files.
[07:25] <wgrant> So Soyuz would have to learn to extract the necessary entries itself.
[07:27] <persia> So that's actually a bit different than the +changelog bugs.
[09:27] <plaes> hey.. I'm currently merge duplicte profiles, but I'm running into timeouts
[11:29] <afranke> hi
[11:29] <afranke> I'd like to report that an upstream bug watch doesn't work
[11:30] <afranke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/523236
[12:49] <danilos> gmb, deryck: hi, can you help afranke with upstream bug watch?
[12:52] <gmb> afranke: Thank you; we currently don't update bug watches against the Gnome Bugzilla because of issues with our bug watch updating code; we're working to resolve them.
[12:54] <afranke> gmb: so should I just wait or update it manually?
[12:55] <gmb> afranke: Feel free to update it manually; we don't have a timescale for it being fixed at the moment, unfortunately.
[12:55] <afranke> and is there a bug report I can subscribe to?
[12:55] <afranke> so that I know when this issue will be fixed
[12:58] <gmb> afranke: There's no one bug report for the issue at the moment because there are several issues to fix.
[12:58] <gmb> afranke: Bug 499113 and bug 491870 are the ones that need to be fixed before we can consider re-enabling gnome-bugs updates
[12:59] <gmb> afranke: Our set of bug for making bug watch updates reliable can be found here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bugs?field.tag=story-reliable-bug-syncing
[13:00] <afranke> thanks gmb
[13:00] <gmb> np
[13:00]  * gmb  goes to grab lunch
[14:45] <joshuahoover> flacoste: do you know who the best person to contact about an lp api question?
[14:46] <flacoste> joshuahoover: it depends
[14:46] <persia> joshuahoover: Often just asking without highlighting in this channel gets a good response.
[14:46] <flacoste> joshuahoover: usually, a developer related to the API in question
[14:46] <flacoste> joshuahoover: so a bugs guy, for a bugs API question
[14:47] <flacoste> joshuahoover: if it's just something general purpose in the library, than leonardr, gary or me are the people to ask
[14:47] <joshuahoover> flacoste: i'm doing a searchTasks(assignee=None, omit_duplicates=True) against a project and get back all non-duplicate bugs, whether they have an assignee or not
[14:49] <flacoste> joshuahoover: ok, that's a bug sepecific question, intellectronica, gmb, allenap, deryck, any of you can help joshuahoover with his question?
[14:49] <joshuahoover> flacoste: thank you
[14:49]  * intellectronica looks
[14:50] <intellectronica> joshuahoover: can you please repeat the question?
[14:50] <joshuahoover> intellectronica: sure! i'm trying to do the following call against a project: searchTasks(assignee=None, omit_duplicates=True)
[14:50] <intellectronica> joshuahoover: oh, are you asking how to get only tasks that are unassigned?
[14:51] <joshuahoover> intellectronica: yep
[14:51] <joshuahoover> intellectronica: i always get back all the bugs regardless of whether assignee is there or not
[14:56] <intellectronica> joshuahoover: right. the problem is that passing None is equivalent to not passing anything at all
[14:57] <renderguy> Hi there.
[14:57] <joshuahoover> intellectronica: ok, what should i pass in? :)
[14:57] <intellectronica> what i'm trying to find out is if there's a way to specify that you only want unassigned bugs (like you can do with the search form)
[14:57] <joshuahoover> intellectronica: ok, yeah, that's what i'd ideally want to do but if it's not possible right now, that's good to know too
[14:57] <renderguy> Can someone point me at the instructions for uploading .deb files to a (personal) PPA?
[14:58] <bigjools> renderguy: you can't upload .deb files, you need to upload source packages
[14:58]  * renderguy has only used the Bazaar service so far.
[14:58] <bigjools> http://help.launchpad.net/PPA has all the info
[14:58] <renderguy> bigjools: So the building takes place on Launchpad instead?
[14:58] <intellectronica> joshuahoover: looks like it isn't, which i think is a bug. let's see if there's a bug for it already and if not file one.
[14:59] <bigjools> renderguy: yes
[14:59] <joshuahoover> intellectronica: ah, ok...i'll check
[14:59] <renderguy> bigjools: K, thanks for the URL.
[14:59] <bigjools> renderguy: np - it guarantees that the binaries match the source you can see
[14:59] <intellectronica> joshuahoover: as a workaround, i guess you'll need to iterate over the result and filter them
[14:59] <thekorn> intellectronica, joshuahoover it's bug 274416
[15:00] <intellectronica> thekorn: thanks!
[15:00] <joshuahoover> thekorn, intellectronica: thanks!
[15:00] <intellectronica> joshuahoover: i'm not sure what is the best way to fix it exactly, but if you'd like to give it a try at some point i'll be glad to help, of course
[15:01] <renderguy> Only a flying-visit, thanks again, laterz.
[15:01] <intellectronica> i think that maybe we'll need to create a nobody person
[15:01] <joshuahoover> intellectronica: ok, sounds good...thanks again for the quick response guys!
[15:46] <shadeslayer> hi
[15:49] <shadeslayer> is anyone free on 25 Feb 1700 UTC to give a ppa session with me?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> um 27 Feb
[15:51] <shadeslayer> itll be the usual packages which are already in the archive and we can apt-get source them and then upload the current development ones to a PPA
[15:51] <shadeslayer> by of course doing some changes here and there
[15:51] <noodles775> shadeslayer: I'd love to on the 25th, but 27th might be difficult :/
[15:52] <shadeslayer> noodles775: well 25th is a bit difficult for me :(
[15:52] <shadeslayer> i could also do it on the 26th or the 28th
[15:52] <shadeslayer> same time
[15:55] <noodles775> shadeslayer: out of those options, the 27th is the most likely for me, I'm just not sure whether I'll be back in time. Either way, I'll be eagerly reading the irc log to see people's identified issues etc.!
[15:56] <shadeslayer> noodles775: hmm.. ok
[15:56] <shadeslayer> well if i dont get somebody confirmed,youre on
[17:52] <lfaraone> hi, are branches that have been removed immediately deleted?
[17:52] <lfaraone> flacoste: ^^
[17:59] <flacoste> lfaraone: no, they are deleted by a background job
[18:00] <lfaraone> flacoste: okay, how often does that run?
[18:00] <flacoste> lfaraone: i don't know, abentley or rockstar might know
[18:00] <lfaraone> flacoste: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/155035/comments/14 for what we want to recover.
[18:00] <rockstar> lfaraone, every 5 minutes.
[18:01] <flacoste> lfaraone: it's gone, gone
[18:01] <lfaraone> flacoste, rockstar, that's unfortunate :(
[18:28] <james_w> codebounce?
[18:29] <james_w> are all the losas sprinting?
[18:30] <_Andrew> Is there a way to upload using sftp with dput? I'm using normal ftp but it stops working on the last 1k of the file
[18:31] <james_w> seems to be back now
[20:00] <bcurtiswx_> Hey could I get an LP admin to remove (or edit) comment #2 from bug #525410 as it contains a password
[20:02] <bcurtiswx_> flacoste: since you are mentioned in topic ^^
[20:03] <flacoste> bcurtiswx_: it's a private bug, do we care?
[20:03] <flacoste> bcurtiswx_: i cannot even see your password!
[20:04] <flacoste> bcurtiswx_: otherwise, please file a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion and i'll assign to an OSA
[20:06] <bcurtiswx_> flacoste: its private because it's an apport crash and can contain a password.. this one does and I can't edit/delete comments.. Apport made a comment with a part of the stacktrace that includes the users password.  Not meaning to sound rude, but in this case you should care.
[20:07] <bcurtiswx_> flacoste: it's my duty as a bug traigers to make these reports public ASAP so it gets the right attention
[20:07] <bcurtiswx_> flacoste: i will file the question, I hope it can get resolved soon.. Thanks for your time too :D
[20:09] <flacoste> bcurtiswx_: understood, we have some limited OSA availability this week, so i don't have an ETA for it to be done
[20:09] <flacoste> bcurtiswx_: but i'll put it in the appropriate queue
[20:12] <bcurtiswx_> flacoste: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/102185
[20:13] <flacoste> bcurtiswx_: thans
[20:15] <bcurtiswx_> flacoste: and thank you as well
[20:49] <gregcoit> is it possible for folks to grab just a part of a trunk?  (ie: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pantheon-developers/projectmercury/trunk/files/head%3A/bcfg2/ )
[20:50] <gregcoit> or, rather, what do I need to do so folks can grab just the bcfg2 dir
[20:50] <thumper> gregcoit: I *think* so
[20:50] <thumper> gregcoit: I believe it will still download the entire history, but only build a tree for what you ask for
[20:50] <thumper> gregcoit: ask on #bzr as I don't know the syntax
[20:51] <gregcoit> ok, but I think this is more of a launchpad question: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pantheon-developers/projectmercury/trunk/files/head%3A/bcfg2/".
[20:51] <gregcoit> I have to figure out what to change on launchpad to allow folks to grab just that dir
[20:52] <thumper> gregcoit: yeah, that isn't the branch
[20:52] <gregcoit> (also tried bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pantheon-developers/projectmercury/trunk/bcfg2/ and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pantheon-developers/projectmercury/bcfg2/
[20:52] <thumper> gregcoit: the branch is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pantheon-developers/projectmercury/trunk
[20:52] <thumper> gregcoit: the /files is part of the loggerhead traversal
[20:53] <gregcoit> thumper: so /files woulnd't be in the bzr command, right?
[20:53] <thumper> gregcoit: right
[20:54] <gregcoit> so, there's no way to grab just the bcfg2 dir unless I make it a seperate branch, right?
[20:54] <thumper> gregcoit: I don't know
[20:55] <gregcoit> is that more of a bzr question?
[20:55]  * thumper asks on #bzr
[20:55] <newz2000> Hi, is there a way to create a template for new bugs on a project? So basically a set of questions or suggestions for what information to put into a bug report
[20:56] <lifeless> yes
[20:57]  * newz2000 has searched the help and is not finding such a way
[20:57] <gregcoit> thumper: I'll look at views.  what I have is code on launchpad that folks will want to d/l - to make it easy, I want them to be able to d/l specific dirs to specific places on their system
[20:57] <gregcoit> lifeless: ^
[20:57] <thumper> gregcoit: they'll still need to download the entire branch
[20:58] <gregcoit> oh, hmm
[20:58] <thumper> gregcoit: but they may then create views on that branch in particular locations
[20:58] <lifeless> gregcoit: if you have separate things, make them separate brnaches
[20:58] <lifeless> gregcoit: if its one thing that installs components into different places, can I interest you in a build system like autotools/cmake/setup.py/...
[20:58] <gregcoit> well, they are both part of our project, they just have different locations on the client computers.
[20:59] <lifeless> gregcoit: how closely connected are these two things?
[20:59] <gregcoit> lifeless: i think the reason we haven't done that is we'd like folks to be able to bzr update
[20:59] <gregcoit> lifeless: not very close....
[21:00] <gregcoit> we could have them bzr update then autotools/cmake/setup.py/...
[21:01] <lifeless> gregcoit: if they aren't very close, I'd really suggest treating them as separate projects
[21:02] <lifeless> gregcoit: could someone in principle deliver a reimplementation of just one of these components?
[21:02] <gregcoit> lifeless: very much so
[21:02] <gregcoit> lifeless: they will likely be updated by us at differnt intervals from each other
[21:02] <lifeless> then to me, you have a project group, two code bases.
[21:03] <lifeless> so you should have two projects in launchpad, and separate branches
[21:03] <gregcoit> lifeless: I think that's the way to go - thanks for helping me think through this!
[21:03] <lifeless> de nada
[21:03] <gregcoit> thumper: thanks to you too!
[21:03] <thumper> gregcoit: sure, np
[21:19] <gregcoit> does launchpad allow for more than one branch to be associated with a project?
[21:20] <gregcoit> or are project and branch basically the same thing?
[21:21] <mwhudson> gregcoit: no, you can have thousands of branches for a project
[21:22] <gregcoit> ahh, cool - that works for us then!
[21:22] <mwhudson> gregcoit: you argue that maybe "project" and "*trunk* branch" should have a nearly 1-1 relationshop
[21:23] <gregcoit> mwhudson: ok. that works well for us - thanks!!!
[21:25] <mwhudson> gregcoit: np


 I want to sleep...
[06:53] <Kilos> ai!
[06:53] <superfly> I'm just going to... Zzzzzzzzz
[06:54] <Kilos> sleep superfly
[07:14] <theblazehen_> Morning all
[07:14] <Kilos> hi theblazehen_
[07:16] <theblazehen_> Kilos: Can you say my name again in 5 seconds? Testing something
[07:16] <Kilos> ok
[07:16] <Kilos> theblazehen_
[07:16] <theblazehen_> Yay, works :D
[07:16] <Kilos> alerts?
[07:16] <theblazehen_> Got all chats in one program
[07:16] <theblazehen_> yes
[07:17] <Kilos> cool
[07:17] <theblazehen_> Whatsapp, skype, facebook and work chat
[07:17] <Kilos> ai!
[07:26] <theblazehen_> Kilos: http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/e30lk4cf.png client thing :)
[07:32] <Kilos> cool
[08:13] <magespawn> theblazehen_: quassel wewb ap?
[08:13] <magespawn> web
[08:14] <theblazehen_> magespawn: https://github.com/magne4000/quassel-webserver
[08:14] <magespawn> ty
[08:14] <theblazehen_> You can test it with quasselcore.home.theblazehen.com if your core is internet accessible
[08:14] <theblazehen_> All done in js, so I wont get your login details
[08:14] <theblazehen_> As I understand it
[08:48] <magespawn> looks pretty cool, i will have to look into when i have some time
[09:28] <theblazehen_> IRC is much faster hosted at home rather than at EU dedicated server..
[09:29] <theblazehen_> 4 second log in vs 20 seconds on phone over 3g
[09:30] <magespawn> why? not the 3g if that is constant.
[09:31] <theblazehen_> SSD in home server and less than 30 ms latency, vs 100 ms latency and normall spinning disks
[09:31] <theblazehen_> hi andrewlsd
[09:32] <andrewlsd> hi theblazehen_
[09:36] <andrewlsd> hello Na3iL :-)
[09:37] <Na3iL> Hiya andrewlsd how are you there
[09:38] <magespawn> hi andrewlsd
[09:38] <andrewlsd> Hi magespawn gremble
[09:38] <magespawn> theblazehen_: you think that makes that much differance?
[09:38] <andrewlsd> Na3iL, good thanks.
[09:39] <Na3iL> cool :D
[09:39]  * andrewlsd heads over to see what he missed via: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/06/15/%23ubuntu-za.html
[09:39] <theblazehen_> magespawn: The latency, not sure how the protocol works. I think it requests 200 lines from each channel. If it's sequential, then maybe
[09:39] <theblazehen_> But probably the ssd mostly
[09:39] <theblazehen_> the sqlite db for me is around 270 MB
[09:40] <andrewlsd> quasselcore web think looks nice theblazehen_
[09:41] <theblazehen_> andrewlsd: Yeah. Just need to get my web wrapper to do a notification count
[09:41] <theblazehen_> I tried adding a custom service, but thing wouldn't load
[09:42] <theblazehen_> Tried adding quassel web as rocket chat service, complained about being invalid
[09:42] <theblazehen_> So I added an actual rocket chat, changed url in config file, worked
[09:43] <andrewlsd> huh theblazehen_ ?
[09:43] <andrewlsd> huh theblazehen_ ? an actual rocket chat?
[09:44] <gremble> Hey andrewlsd
[09:44] <andrewlsd> \o gremble
[09:45] <theblazehen_> andrewlsd: Added rocket chat so it would see that it's a valid service (it checks to see if it as a rocket chat instance on adding the service), but changing the url in the config that it saves let me use quassel
[09:45] <theblazehen_> hey gremble
[09:49] <magespawn> what other services can you use theblazehen_?
[09:50] <gremble> How is everyone doing today?
[09:50] <theblazehen_> magespawn: http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-06-15-1149481920x1019scrot.png
[09:50] <theblazehen_> Good and you gremble?
[09:50] <anton_may_za> 'Tis the long weekend babay!!!
[09:50] <gremble> Not for me :P I have a tournament tomorrow and writing on friday
[09:51] <anton_may_za> ahhh.......sorry for yous
[09:51] <anton_may_za> Been waiting for this weekend for a while now
[09:52] <theblazehen_> Friday isn't a public holiday though I think?
[09:52] <andrewlsd> theblazehen_, correct
[09:52] <andrewlsd> .... but many have taken leave.
[09:52] <anton_may_za> Yip it's not, but took the day off
[09:52] <theblazehen_> Ah
[09:56] <theblazehen_> Wow, my pfsense box is using 700 MB ram
[09:57] <theblazehen_> Although it is running squid, squidguard, clamav, snort, openvpn, and the normal ddns/dns/dhcp stuff
[09:57] <magespawn> theblazehen_: that second screen shot is that the quasselwebserver from the github that yo posted earlier?
[09:58] <theblazehen_> The one before the last one?
[09:58] <anton_may_za> clamav not updating?
[09:58] <magespawn> the lastone
[09:58] <theblazehen_> magespawn: Last one is the meetfranz.com main page
[09:58] <theblazehen_> anton_may_za: It's updating fine here I think?
[09:59] <theblazehen_> magespawn: http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-06-15-1158061920x1019scrot.png is the IRC
[09:59] <anton_may_za> i see you also running snort, that can usually be intensive as well
[09:59] <anton_may_za> i prefer to run snort on it's own baremetal
[09:59] <theblazehen_> Yeah. Ah well, I have 2 GB total on that box
[09:59] <theblazehen_> Yeah, it is bare metal
[10:00] <theblazehen_> Pentium E2220 or something, dual core 2.2 GHz
[10:00] <anton_may_za> well with 2Gb it should still be fine @ running 700Mb
[10:00] <magespawn> okay so then what is this http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-06-15-1149481920x1019scrot.png
[10:00] <theblazehen_> >Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2220 @ 2.40GHz
[10:00] <anton_may_za> yea just keep an eye on it, but should be ok
[10:00] <theblazehen_> magespawn: meetfranz.com, a "native" application which runs various web wrappers for chat services
[10:01] <magespawn> cool thanks
[10:01] <theblazehen_> I managed to add the quassel web to it
[10:01] <magespawn> i see, and you can run this on your own server? i see there is a download for it
[10:02] <theblazehen_> No, this isn't run on a web server. You can run the quassel core on a web server, but you download the binary for franz
[10:02] <theblazehen_> franz is basically a web browser but with named tabs
[10:02] <magespawn> ah right, so a one stop for yur messaging
[10:02] <theblazehen_> Yeah
[10:02] <magespawn> s/yur/your
[10:02] <magespawn> cool
[10:04] <theblazehen_> Hmm. memory usage climbing. 1222 MB used
[10:04] <theblazehen_> Probably fine though
[10:05] <anton_may_za> what is ps is running?
[10:07] <theblazehen_> http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-06-15-1207351147x480scrot.png  that doesn't look right
[10:08] <magespawn> look like something woke up
[10:09] <anton_may_za> yip, what is your connections like?
[10:10] <magespawn> theblazehen_: you have a file sharing service running there?
[10:10] <inetpro> good mornings
[10:10] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[10:10] <theblazehen_> Connections: http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-06-15-1210191141x474scrot.png
[10:10] <theblazehen_> magespawn: yeah
[10:10] <theblazehen_> hi inetpro
[10:10] <theblazehen_> magespawn: https://github.com/andreimarcu/linx-server
[10:11] <magespawn> i opened the file sharing address
[10:11] <magespawn> http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/
[10:11] <theblazehen_> anton_may_za: ps aux | wc -l gives 93
[10:11] <anton_may_za> Not a lot of connections, is the memory still rising?
[10:12] <theblazehen_> anton_may_za: Seems stable at 64% used
[10:12] <inetpro> Maaz: seen MaNI
[10:12] <Maaz> inetpro: MaNI was last seen 1 day, 1 hour and 5 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-06-14 02:12:23 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-06-15 02:27:22 PDT
[10:12] <anton_may_za> Snort?
[10:13] <theblazehen_> anton_may_za: What about it? It didn't pick up on anything recently
[10:13] <anton_may_za> 64% is a tad high for pfsense?
[10:13] <theblazehen_> Yeah, well, not a problem though
[10:14] <theblazehen_> Still have 721 MB spare
[10:14] <inetpro> apparently it is true, the comma has been a South African decimal separator like for ever
[10:14] <anton_may_za> yip
[10:15]  * inetpro still hunting for a real document to use as a reference but some clever people here have confirmed it for me
[10:15] <anton_may_za> yip it has been
[10:17] <inetpro> apparently the banks are the ones to blame for using software based on US systems with a dot as the separator
[10:18] <magespawn> inetpro: that is a bit odd, i think pastel uses a ,
[10:18] <inetpro> a dot makes so much more sense in my view
[10:18]  * theblazehen_ finds it a little scary that their sftware cares about the type of decimal operator used
[10:18] <theblazehen_> Agreed on the dot
[10:19] <magespawn> commas are for thousands seperator
[10:19] <magespawn> as in 1,000,000.00
[10:20] <inetpro> magespawn: obviously software has matured in many ways today
[10:21] <inetpro> back then you could not simply change your regional settings and have a different look and feel across all software
[10:38] <theblazehen_> https://i.imgur.com/0P7TGgm.jpg heh
[10:43] <magespawn> pastel uses . just for interest, and you have to change that in windows to get it to work
[10:49] <magespawn> theblazehen_: that is the same thing, isnt it?
[10:49] <theblazehen_> magespawn: What is the same thing?
[11:00] <magespawn> the relationships picture
[11:26] <pavlushka> Ahoy! all
[11:27] <theblazehen_> magespawn: Ah, yeah lol. Hey pavlushka, wb andrewlsd
[11:27] <andrewlsd> ahoy all.
[11:28] <pavlushka> hello andrewlsd !
[11:30]  * theblazehen_ might have a proper full os install in salt soon :)
[11:35] <andrewlsd> ahoy all.
[11:36] <pavlushka> ahoy andrewlsd !
[11:38] <andrewlsd> theblazehen_, magespawn, what about NoSQL engineers?
[11:39] <andrewlsd> I knew a NoSQL engineer, his name was Json
[11:39] <theblazehen_> andrewlsd: They don't know what either type of relationship is :p
[11:39] <andrewlsd> ^ well-played theblazehen_
[11:40] <andrewlsd> I knew a NoSQL engineer, his name was Json, he was always alone, because he wasn't very good with relationships.
[12:02] <theblazehen_> andrewlsd: What do you think of postgresql's jsonb features, compared to say mongodb?
[12:02] <andrewlsd> I cannot claim expertise in that area.
[12:03] <andrewlsd> I have seen several reviews. Some say better, most say "depending on use-case"
[12:20] <inetpro> superfly: Stop. Using. Periods. Period. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/13/stop-using-periods-period-2/?tid=pm_business_pop_b
[12:37] <tumbleweed> use fullstops, dammit
[12:43] <Kilos> lol
[12:43] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed
[13:01] <inetpro> lol
[13:41] <andrewlsd> theblazehen_, you tried running docker inside LXD, didn't you?
[13:41] <theblazehen_> andrewlsd: Yes
[13:42] <andrewlsd> any joy.
[13:43] <andrewlsd> I'm getting issues with mysql not starting in mattermost-preview docker image.
[13:43] <theblazehen_> Last time I had issues with builing, but a simple container worked
[13:43] <theblazehen_> Just running it or building?
[13:44] <andrewlsd> running it.  The docker container runs "runs" but mysqld dies as it starts with errors like this " Can't create/write to file '/tmp/ib3UWYwb' "
[13:44] <andrewlsd> I did a docker exec, and got exactly the same behaviour
[13:44] <andrewlsd> although I could manually create files in tmp.
[13:44] <andrewlsd> I even tried running the docker with privileged.
[13:45] <andrewlsd> I'm wondering if it is due to layers of UID mapping failing.
[13:45] <theblazehen_> And you used lxd with the docker profile as well right?
[13:45] <andrewlsd> mysql was id 999, which might not be permitted within LXD.
[13:46] <andrewlsd> yip. I created a container named "docker"....
[13:46] <andrewlsd> lxc launch 1604-20160615 docker -p default -p docker
[13:47] <andrewlsd> and then installed docker.io inside the container.
[13:47] <theblazehen_> hmm
[13:47] <andrewlsd> via `apt-get install docker.io` .... Not via docker's installation script.
[13:47] <theblazehen_> Can you run the hello world example?
[13:48] <andrewlsd> the docker app inside the LXC container was running, but only mysqld would not run
[13:49] <theblazehen_> Hmm. if you exec into the docker container, can you su to lower uids?
[13:49] <andrewlsd> will check. I just erased the LXC container.
[13:51] <andrewlsd> btw theblazehen_ , I finally bit the bullet and am running Franz.
[13:51] <theblazehen_> andrewlsd: Cool. How is it?
[13:52] <andrewlsd> nice. whatsap, skype, hangout and rocket launched
[13:53] <andrewlsd> what did you do to get QuasselWeb added/
[13:54] <theblazehen_> Added an extra chat.lsd.co.za rocket chat entry, then vim ~/.config/franz/settings/settings.json, and edit the url to quassel web
[13:54] <theblazehen_> Also added       "custom_icon": "http://quasselcore.home.theblazehen.com/favicon.ico",
[13:59] <andrewlsd> next step... letsencrypt?
[13:59] <theblazehen_> For quasselcore?
[13:59] <magespawn> that is a lot for today, thanks theblazehen_
[13:59] <andrewlsd> yeah.
[14:00] <andrewlsd> .... but I reckon we should host a container ....
[14:00] <andrewlsd> and do it that way
[14:00] <andrewlsd> to leave it up
[14:00] <theblazehen_> andrewlsd: Yeah. Just need a nice way to automate it. Thinking would be nice to add it to my reverse proxy, set it to auto-request if it gets a request for a host it doesn't have a cert for
[14:01] <andrewlsd> ^ auto-request, very cool
[14:14] <theblazehen_> Hmm. Although they give a wildcard for subdomains right andrewlsd?
[14:14] <theblazehen_> Then I just get cert for home.theblazehen.com
[14:14] <andrewlsd> I don't think "letsencrypt" offers wildcards
[14:15] <andrewlsd> docker hello-world works fine
[14:16] <andrewlsd> now, to try mattermost docker again?
[14:17] <theblazehen_> Actually, all requests hit the reverse proxy, and I just add the .well_known as a location and don't pass it through the proxy, then just a script that reads from `lxc list` to get all hosts
[14:17] <theblazehen_> Yeah, give it a go
[14:17] <theblazehen_> Maybe try a plain mysql docker too
[14:18] <andrewlsd> k. also, this time trying to do the "docker" stuff as user ubuntu
[14:19] <theblazehen_> andrewlsd: How are you getting in? lxc exec containerName bash?
[14:20] <andrewlsd> I installed ssh (dropbear) in the container. It seemed to make no difference however.  Currently ssh'd in
[14:20] <inetpro> SpaceX’s Falcon 9 launching in a few minutes http://spacex.com/webcast
[14:20] <inetpro> for those with lots of bandwidth
[14:22] <andrewlsd> ty, inetpro
[14:23] <andrewlsd> fyi: youtube link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLNmtUEvI5A
[14:24] <andrewlsd> 5 mins to go
[14:25] <theblazehen_> Nice. How I install my os now: `sh <(curl scripts/installArch.sh)`, enter disk to use, enter hostname, wait
[14:25] <andrewlsd> :-)
[14:26] <andrewlsd> sh <$(curl scripts/installArch.sh)
[14:28] <inetpro> 1 minute
[14:32] <inetpro> awesomeness
[14:33] <inetpro> running at above 10,000 km/h now
[14:35] <andrewlsd> yeah. amazing
[14:35] <inetpro> amazing is that it's still speeding up
[14:36] <inetpro> now above 15,000 km/h
[14:36] <inetpro> more than 170 km altitude
[14:36] <inetpro> first stage on it's way back to the drone
[14:36] <andrewlsd> 17k k/h
[14:36] <andrewlsd> still getting faster.
[14:38] <inetpro> landed?
[14:38] <andrewlsd> stage 1
[14:39] <inetpro> no wifi in the middle of the ocean :-)
[14:40] <andrewlsd> lol
[14:49] <magespawn> why not?
[14:56] <inetpro> more than 35,000km/h now
[14:56] <inetpro> +460 km altitude
[14:58] <inetpro> slowing down now... missed the top speed
[15:05] <inetpro> damn! I understand that landing was not good
[15:06] <magespawn> okay so is that that then?
[15:06] <inetpro> @elonmusk Ascent phase & satellites look good, but booster rocket had a RUD on droneship
[15:06] <andrewlsd_q> theblazehen_:  yay, connected
[15:06] <andrewlsd_q> RUD?
[15:06] <inetpro> that's it!
[15:07] <inetpro> Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly
[15:07] <inetpro> another learning experience for the team
[15:07] <andrewlsd_q> lol
[15:08] <andrewlsd_q> it broke.
[15:08] <magespawn> these things happen, at lest the payload is okay
[15:09] <andrewlsd_q> I was trying to figure out where this weird "click" notification sound was coming from.... turns out I had a loose piece of paper on my desk. And as I moved across the touchpad of my laptop I kept getting the corner of the paper caught on my sleeve, resulting in a gentle click each time I moved my arm
[15:10] <magespawn> nice one
[15:11] <andrewlsd> "analogue user input feedback"
[15:33] <andrewlsd_q> theblazehen_:  docker mattermost-preview still didn't work
[15:33] <andrewlsd_q> next test will be a small mysqld
[15:34] <magespawn> later all
[15:48] <andrewlsd_q> ciao all.
[15:48]  * andrewlsd_q is disconnecting
[16:09] <inetpro> hmm... docker mattermost-preview?
[16:11] <theblazehen_> inetpro: mattermost is a self hosted chat thing
[16:12] <inetpro> theblazehen_: I know, but what's the problem andrew is having?
[16:12] <inetpro> isn't mattermost part of gitlab?
[16:12] <theblazehen_> inetpro: issues with running the docker container inside a lxd container
[16:12] <theblazehen_> They've added it yes, but it was independent before
[16:13] <inetpro> ah
[16:13] <inetpro> I haven't got mine running by the way... time issues
[16:14] <theblazehen_> Hmm
[16:14] <theblazehen_> Maaz tell andrewlsd have you considered running a docker host inside a KVM vm with memory ballooning? I might go that direction
[16:14] <Maaz> theblazehen_: Okay, I'll tell andrewlsd on freenode
[16:15] <inetpro> theblazehen_: sounds like a nice idea, how do you do that?
[16:16] <theblazehen_> inetpro: I know in virt-manager you can adjust that, then just need the virtio drivers in the guest.
[16:16] <theblazehen_> https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/virtio-balloon/
[16:17] <inetpro> oh nice, I didn't know this, thanks
[17:27] <pavlushka> ahoy all
[17:29] <pavlushka> theblazehen_: are you cool?
[17:33] <captine> hi all.  quick one.  anyone setup a "terminal server" using Linux (MATE) for windows machines to connect to?
[17:33] <captine> best suggestion for software?  xrdp?
[17:33] <captine> will end up doing active directory integration
[17:49] <Kilos> hi captine you might need to be patient till 8.30
[17:50] <Kilos> supper and family time till then
[17:51] <Kilos> oh paddatrapper when coffee is ordered she must crack her knuckles not his
[17:52] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: ibid using incorrect gender terms?
[17:52] <paddatrapper> Kilos: ^
[17:53] <Kilos> yes QA is a she
[17:53] <Kilos> maaz is he
[17:53] <paddatrapper> So it should actually be set when setting it up
[17:54] <Kilos> oh
[17:54] <Kilos> ok
[17:55] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: didn't get that.
[17:55] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: Sorry, wrong tab completion
[17:55] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: np
[17:56] <paddatrapper> Kilos: I'll work on it
[17:57] <Kilos> good man
[17:57] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[17:57]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:57] <Kilos> Maaz coffee for all
[17:57] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[17:58] <pavlushka> Maaz: coffee please
[17:58] <Maaz> pavlushka: Done
[18:00] <paddatrapper> Maaz: coffee please
[18:00] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Yessir
[18:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, pavlushka and paddatrapper!
[18:01] <theblazehen_> hey pavlushka. Yeah
[18:01] <theblazehen_> captine: Look at x2go
[18:01] <paddatrapper> Maaz: thanks
[18:01] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Okay :-)
[18:01] <Kilos> Maaz gracias amigo
[18:01] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[18:01] <pavlushka> theblazehen_: lol
[18:02] <pavlushka> Maaz: thanks
[18:02] <Maaz> pavlushka: No problem
[18:03] <pavlushka> Kilos: wow, gracious
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> buenos dias muchacho
[18:04] <Kilos> i learned that from clint eastwood movies
[18:05] <pavlushka> Kilos: buenos días señor
[18:05] <pavlushka> lol
[18:05] <Kilos> hehe
[18:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:59] <squish102> i always struggle with mdadm raid arrays
[18:59] <squish102> after a big update they change thier names
[18:59] <squish102> like /dev/md127 to /dev/md0
[19:00] <squish102> i always get it back, but what a pain
[19:00] <theblazehen_> squish102: That's why you use UUIDs / PARTUUID / PARTLABEL / LABELs
[19:00] <theblazehen_> `blkid`
[19:01] <squish102> i think i do
[19:02] <squish102> last error was duplicate UUID's in mdadm.conf which I have no idea how it got there... maybe something i did
[19:03] <theblazehen_> squish102: Use UUIDs in fstab or whereever
[19:04] <squish102> ahh, don't think I use UUID's in fstab
[19:28] <captine> thanks theblazehen_ .  will look into it
[19:31] <theblazehen_> captine: I've used it over a 2mbit wifi link as my main desktop for a while. Worked well, although the netbook I used as a client struggled a bit with the cpu needs of pulseaudio...
[20:50] <captine> theblazehen_, only problem with x2go is i need to install the client.  Work has my windows machine fully locked down