[01:23] <wallyworld> thumper: here's that PR to get the final caas things ready for 2.4. pretty please :-) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8784
[01:23]  * thumper looks
[01:50] <thumper> wallyworld: just a few small things
[01:51] <wallyworld> tyvm
[01:51] <thumper> I kept getting distracted while reviewing
[01:51] <thumper> email etc.
[01:51] <wallyworld> i also have a feature test to fix
[01:51] <wallyworld> no rush i am waiting for another pr to land first
[01:51] <wallyworld> before i can land this
[03:24] <thumper> wallyworld: ping
[03:25] <wallyworld> yo
[03:25] <thumper> hangout again?
[03:25] <wallyworld> sure
[04:55] <wallyworld> thumper: small one? https://github.com/juju/os/pull/2
[04:56] <wallyworld> needed for caas series checking to be able to give nice errors deploying a caas charm to an iaas model
[05:36] <veebers> wallyworld: just sorting out a merge conflict and will be proposing the tomb v1 -> v2 PR
[05:42] <veebers> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8785 just noticed it could do with a commit squash, as I've merged develop in there a couple times too.
[06:09] <wallyworld> veebers: ok, looking
[06:10] <vino> wallyworld: i want u to take a look at mine as well. Made few commits
[06:10] <wallyworld> ok
[06:24] <wallyworld> vino: comments left. main issue is there are mssing tests for application tools methods
[06:24] <wallyworld> plus we don't need any tests for the CLI bit as there's nothing to test really
[06:25] <vino> wallyworld: yes i am writing that now in application_test.go
[06:25] <wallyworld> great!
[06:25] <wallyworld> almost there
[06:33] <vino> Yes. Wallyworld. I verified that with dump-db command as well. No IAAS and CAAS difference.
[06:33] <vino> i will revert the chnages made in dump-db_test
[06:42] <wallyworld> ty
[06:54] <wallyworld> veebers: reviewed, a mighty effort. i have aquestion, it's in the review comment
[07:42] <veebers> wallyworld: wow, I can't believe how many deletemes slipped through muy intial scan of the diff :-\
[09:32] <stickupkid> manadart: can I get a code review of this PR please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8787
[09:51] <manadart> stickupkid: Ja.
[10:16] <manadart> stickupkid: Reviewed.
[10:17] <stickupkid> manadart: thanks
[11:40] <stickupkid> manadart: i've updated the PR, we require a few hoops to jump through to now get the bridgeName - not sure if it's 100% right, but works for bionic on first try
[11:40] <stickupkid> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8787
[11:40] <manadart> stickupkid: Looking.
[11:52] <elox> bdx: elox -> erik_lonroth
[12:04] <manadart> stickupkid: Approved; couple of minor suggestions.
[12:09] <stickupkid> manadart: nice, i'll fix those, before merging
[14:00] <bissa> Is there a way to specify a subnet when using juju to bootstrap a controller?
[14:07] <pmatulis> bissa, MAAS and AWS backing clouds support "Juju network spaces"
[14:10] <scoobitywoops> @pmatulis doesn't that require a controller to already be up?
[14:14] <pmatulis> scoobitywoops, no
[14:15] <scoobitywoops> juju add-space devqa <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[14:15] <scoobitywoops> ERROR cannot connect to the API server: No controllers registered.
[14:18] <pmatulis> scoobitywoops, now i see what you mean. what *i* meant was that you can apply a space during the creation of a controller
[14:18] <pmatulis> of course, almost all commands require a controller
[14:20] <hml> bissa: what cloud are you using?
[14:20] <bissa> aws
[14:20] <scoobitywoops> I'm working with bissa, we're trying to build the controller in a specific vpc and subnet
[14:21] <scoobitywoops> vpc is fine, but can't get it to stick to a subnet
[14:21] <scoobitywoops> tried --to subnet= but that didn't work
[14:58] <chquark> hello all
[14:58] <chquark> I need a bit of help in juju
[14:58] <chquark> I was following this guide
[14:58] <chquark> https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/charm-deployment-guide/latest/install-maas.html
[14:59] <chquark> while deploying all of the nodes on Virtualbox
[14:59] <chquark> as a test environment
[15:01] <chquark> user@user:~/.local/share$ sudo juju bootstrap mymaas maas-cloud-controller --constraints "mem=1G"
[15:01] <chquark> [sudo] password for user:
[15:01] <chquark> Creating Juju controller "maas-cloud-controller" on mymaas Looking for packaged Juju agent version 2.3.8 for amd64 No packaged binary found, preparing local Juju agent binary
[15:01] <chquark> Launching controller instance(s) on mymaas...ERROR failed to bootstrap model: cannot start bootstrap instance in any availability zone (default, Test)
[15:02] <chquark> ^^ that is the error i get, and im at my wits end.
[15:02] <hml> chquark: are you running with —debug ?
[15:03] <chquark> sorry Iḿ not that experienced with juju.
[15:03] <chquark> juju debug-log
[15:03] <chquark> you mean this ?
[15:03] <hml> chquark: no
[15:04] <hml> chquark: you can add a —debug flag (dash dash) to bootstrap for additional data
[15:04] <chquark> got it
[15:07] <chquark> https://pastebin.com/RuGhfVrV
[15:08] <hml> chquark: juju isn’t finding a machine to use to match the constrainsts given:  line 36
[15:09] <hml> chquark: do you want juju to pick a specifc machine?  you can bootstrap specifying a tag as a constraint instead
[15:10] <hml> chquark: https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.3/en/reference-constraints
[15:10] <chquark> well I have 2 VMś
[15:11] <chquark> one for MAAS and another for JUJU
[15:11] <chquark> so which machine is it trying to get ?
[15:12] <hml> chquark:it couldn’t find a machine based on the 1G mem constraint -
[15:12] <hml> chquark: try bootstraping without the mem piece
[15:13] <hml> chquark: you’ll need additional VMs, with the current setup, you’ll be able to bootstrap, but there won’t be any machines available to deploy a charm
[15:13] <chquark> I have also deployed 2 Nodes on VM, let me try it again without any contraints
[15:16] <chquark> https://pastebin.com/YWEGMvZg
[15:17] <chquark> https://i.stack.imgur.com/HSNAp.png
[15:19] <hml> chquark: how much memory do the nodes commissioned by MAAS have?
[15:20] <chquark> 1GB each
[15:22] <chquark> https://imgur.com/a/GAQQnHt
[15:23] <hml> chquark: juju usually looks for nodes with a min mem size of 4G… i  wonder why juju didn’t find the commissioned node when constraints were 1G
[15:24] <hml> chquark: the min controller requirements are 2G:  https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.3/en/controllers
[15:24] <hml> chquark: though the message you’re getting doesn’t indicated that.. juju is still trying with only 1G
[15:25] <chquark> is this not reffering to the Juju server ?
[15:25] <hml> chquark: what do you mean by juju server?
[15:27] <chquark> https://imgur.com/tC6vITo
[15:28] <chquark> the Nodes have 1G ram, but MAAS and JUJU have 2G ram..
[15:29] <hml> chquark:  in the example, node os-juju01.maas will be used as the juju controller
[15:29] <hml> chquark: per your screen shots… is the Juju VM commissioned in maas?
[15:30] <chquark> no Juju vm not commisioned in maas
[15:31] <chquark> so iḿ to understand that i must add it.. let me do that right now..
[15:31] <hml> chquark: per the example, there are 5 machines commissioned in maas for juju to use,
[15:32] <hml> one will be the juju controller, the others are for charms to be deployed to
[15:33] <chquark> ah, crap i see where my mistake can be..
[15:33] <hml> chquark: if you add the juju tag to node os-juju01.maas … then you can bootstrap with the tag as a constraint….
[15:34] <chquark> yes i understand, i did not add the juju node, and had manually deployed the OS..
[15:35] <chquark> so think i will have to redeploy that node again..
[15:38] <hml> chquark: if you have the nodes commissioned in maas, and bootstrap juju with the maas “cloud” - juju will do the work on those nodes for you.
[15:53] <chquark> @hml, thank you for your help. I will get back to you once i have commissioned the juju in maas :)
[17:50] <TheAbsentOne> erik_lonroth: https://github.com/Ciberth/MP-appendix-a/blob/master/appendixA.md this was the guide I was working on btw!
[19:29] <TheAbsentOne> If people are btw interested in reading my master thesis, I would love to receive feedback on wrong or unclear things. I have one more week to finish it so I'm trying to wrap things up. Ping me here if I'm here or on github/twitter: Ciberth if you want to receive the pdf!
[19:29] <TheAbsentOne> The title is: management of polyglot persistent integrations with virtual administrators (hence the generic database use case in juju!)
[20:39] <veebers> Morning o/
[21:15] <thumper> morning
[21:23] <wallyworld> thumper: small review? https://github.com/juju/os/pull/2 and there's a juju one that depends on it https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8788
[21:23] <thumper> ack
[21:23] <wallyworld> polishing the user experience before release
[21:23]  * thumper nods
[21:24] <wallyworld> it used have a have a crap message
[21:29] <veebers> wallyworld: FYI I addressed your comments on PR: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8785
[21:30] <wallyworld> veebers: yeah, just looking :-) found at least one more case of Stop() doing the err != tomb.ErrStillAlive thing
[21:30] <wallyworld> in ping batcher
[21:31] <wallyworld> i think there's 7 cases
[21:31] <veebers> ah man, dropped the ball a couple times on this PR. just too eager to push it up. WIll fix
[21:31] <veebers> ah I know why, faulty grep
[21:31] <wallyworld> no worries, it was a monster
[21:32] <wallyworld> veebers: also, i do think we replace donewhendying() with just <-w.Tomb.Dying
[21:32] <wallyworld> more explicit and less overhead, no need for a func now
[21:32] <veebers> wallyworld: agreed, making it so now
[21:32] <wallyworld> awesome sauce
[21:39] <veebers> wallyworld: have pushed up the changes
[21:46] <wallyworld> veebers: looking
[21:48] <wallyworld> veebers: lgtm! also, don't forget to regenerate dependemcies.tsv before landing
[21:48] <wallyworld> and push that change
[21:48] <wallyworld> ensure that tomb.v1 is missing
[21:49] <veebers> wallyworld: tomb.v1 is needed for /juju/worker.v1 :_|
[21:49] <wallyworld> oh bollocks
[21:49] <wallyworld> do we have w worker.v2
[21:49] <wallyworld> i guess that's next
[21:50] <veebers> wallyworld: indeed, has a target on it's back :-) Diff of godeps -t $(go list ./...) and deps.tsv is no changes
[21:51] <bdx> hey guys
[21:51] <bdx> say my maas controller ip changes
[21:51] <wallyworld> thumper: we couldn't think of a different name for the OS (also called Distro in the charmstore). discussed with john and jaas guys. ideally "Kubernetes" would be the OS and we'd have "1.8" or whatever for series but the versions change too quickly for that to be managable
[21:52] <bdx> is there a way I can update the maas cloud credentials on the controller?
[21:52] <bdx> specifically the endpoint
[21:52] <wallyworld> not easily (yet) sadly
[21:52] <wallyworld> the only way i know is to update mongo directly - shut down the controller agent(s) first
[21:53] <wallyworld> it's something being worked on this cycle
[21:55] <wallyworld> thumper: if we think of something better, we can change it as the charm side of things is still under development etc. fresh ideas welcome :-)
[21:55] <bdx> wallyworld: thanks
[21:56] <wallyworld> bdx: let us know if you need help etc. it's a big gap we know we need to fix
[21:57] <bdx> wallyworld: thanks, I think its going to be easier for me to just give my new maas server the ip of the old maas server
[21:57] <wallyworld> ok
[21:57] <thumper> wallyworld: sure
[21:58] <bdx> some ability to modify a cloud definition via `update-clouds` or other means would be great though
[21:59] <bdx> just super actually
[21:59] <bdx> I'm sure more people will hit this as they upgrade
[21:59] <bdx> as maas 2.4 is bionic only
[22:03] <bdx> users will need to add a new controller and switch to it when they upgrade
[22:08] <wallyworld> bdx: yeah, controller clouds and credentials both need to be managed better. the first thing being done is having juju better manage credentials which expire or become invalid. at the moment, things don't go well when that happens
[22:09] <wallyworld> especially on a jaas controller with lots of models
[22:13] <bdx> I can only imagine
[22:16] <veebers> wallyworld: ah, "if err := pb.tomb.Err(); err != tomb.ErrStillAlive {" is needed for PingBatcher Stop(), that's something you pointed out to me but I'm not 100% certain why it's needed
[22:17] <wallyworld> is that the only place?
[22:18] <veebers> it seems it, will re-run tests to confirm
[22:19] <veebers> yeah looks like it. pushing fix now, PR will have a full unit test run
[23:04] <veebers> wallyworld: yay merged :-)
[23:04] <wallyworld> awesome. i would still like to look into why ping batcher needed that change
[23:06] <veebers> wallyworld: indeed, will look into it when I get a moment
[23:09] <wallyworld> veebers: we're moving to pubsub anyway soon so may not be worth the effort
[23:10] <veebers> wallyworld: ack ok
[23:10] <wallyworld> veebers: i suspect it's because someting is calling Stop() twice
[23:11] <veebers> yeah I would suspect so too


[14:52] <mhall119> balloons: did you remove the feed from planet, or just that post?
[15:06] <nigelb> Can you remove just one post?
[15:07] <mhall119> probably IS can
[15:07] <nigelb> ahh.
[15:07] <nigelb> If it's been overun, probably best to remove it completely.
[15:10] <nigelb> (He removed the entire feed according to lp)
[15:10] <nigelb> (Gosh, it was ages ago when I wrote a script to make sure old ubuntu members were cleaned up from the planet)
[15:12] <mhall119> nigelb: right, I was checking that it was removed completely (the lazy way, I couldjust check the planet config branch myself)
[15:13] <nigelb> mhall119: I was merely curious and nostalgic for a second :D
[15:13] <nigelb> Happy New Year!
[15:13] <mhall119> happy new year to you too nigelb


[08:56] <tdr112> morning all
[08:56] <ebel> yo
[08:56] <tdr112> what is the best why to find a file , just grep the whole disk
[08:57] <ebel> find
[08:57] <ebel> there's a command for it.
[08:57] <ebel> that'll find files (& directories) based on the name, location, size etc. Do you need to search inside a file or just the name/path/etc?
[08:58] <tdr112> ah that is better
[08:58] <tdr112> thanks ebel
[09:01] <tdr112> much much much quicker
[09:04] <ebel> were you grepping "grep /dev/sda1" ? :P
[09:14] <tdr112> na even worse grep /*
[09:14] <tdr112> bad mistake , it was even looking in /proc
[09:15] <tdr112> only had it going for a minute and said to myself this cant be right
[09:15] <ebel> hehehe
[09:15] <ebel> "find /" will do similar
[09:15] <ebel> but you can add in "-x" or something to restrict it to only one device
[09:16] <tdr112> but not open the files :)
[09:16] <ebel> lots of unix commands that do recursiveness often have an option to only stay on one device.
[09:16] <ebel> I was backing up a server once and copying all the files. I wondered if it was a good idea to do it with /proc (or /dev) or something
[09:17] <ebel> and someone pointed out that /dev/kmem (?) is the contents of the RAM of the machine, and that it would not be wise to restore that to an existing system :P
[09:17] <tdr112> you dont need /proc
[09:17] <ebel> You can look into the files with the -exec argument to find
[09:18] <ebel> or pipe through xargs, parrellel, etc.
[09:18] <tdr112> it is a virtual file system
[09:19] <ebel> yep
[09:21] <airurando> morning
[09:29] <tdr112> hey airurando
[09:29] <airurando> hi tdr112
[09:29] <airurando> long time no see
[09:29] <airurando> you all set for electric picnic?
[09:32] <tdr112> nope , i hope to get my tent and all that this weekend if i dont have to work
[09:35]  * airurando won't be able to make the early part of the release party on 15 oct 11 due to work :(
[09:36] <airurando> shift has gone from 4 to 3 people and that weekend one of the girls is getting married with the other going to the wedding.
[09:37] <airurando> Some other poor sod has to be drafted in to help me so no point in even asking for time off.
[09:42] <ebel> We've got the OK from TOG for a global jam there
[09:42] <ebel> So there'll be a Dublin venue for the Ubuntu Global Jam, in TOG
[09:59] <tdr112> airurando: we will have to get back onto the galway lads again about bug jam , as i think i stole them for the hackerspace at electric picnic
[10:01] <airurando> tdr112 no I think it is ok
[10:02] <airurando> a few of them were at the monthly meeting on the 17th and they said they were going ahed with it.
[10:02] <airurando> they put it up on their calendar of events so I generated the loco dir listing based on that
[10:03] <airurando> charles-091labs said he was going to electric picnic with you but some other members stepped up to the plate (fair play to them)
[10:04] <tdr112> yep but i only got them to come to ep the other night ,
[10:13] <airurando> tdr112 I don't follow. what is ep?
[10:13] <ebel> electric picnic
[10:14] <airurando> thanks ebel
[10:15] <ebel> some hackerspace people are going to do demos and stuff (right?)
[10:15] <airurando> tdr112 are you sure they are all going?
[10:15] <airurando> that is not the way it was portrayed at the monthly meeting
[10:16] <airurando> tdr112 could you clarify this as we'll have to pull the Galway one down from the loco dir if it is not going ahead
[10:16] <tdr112> airurando: i have talk to them since the monthly meeting , 3 out of the 4 are going , i will email them now to confirm they are going ahead
[10:17] <airurando> thanks
[10:18] <airurando> it is still listed on their upcoming events
[14:53] <tdr112> any one know how to go from unix time to real time
[14:53] <ebel> date
[14:54] <tdr112> i have a time in millseconds
[14:54] <tdr112> since 1970
[14:54] <tdr112> i want its real time
[14:55] <ebel> with @
[14:55] <ebel> e.g. date -d "@1234567890"
[14:55] <ebel> date -d SOMETHING will parse and print the date represented by SOMETHING
[14:56] <ebel> (pedantically unix time is only approximately the number of seconds since 1st jan 1970, it doesn't include leap seconds)
[14:56] <ebel> probably not relevant for you, but remember sometimes unix time can go backwards.
[14:57] <ebel> (when a leap second occurs the unix time might go forwards then backwards to make all the sums add up)
[14:57] <tdr112> so i have this<PHONE_NUMBER>7851471228928
[14:58] <tdr112> i want it in normal time
[14:58] <tdr112> date -d "@13143700177851471228928"
[14:59] <tdr112> now working
[15:01] <tdr112> ah ok its not linux its a java problem , my * was in int when it should be long
[15:04] <ebel> you divide by 1,000,000 to get from nanosec to seconds?
[15:04] <ebel> sorry, 1,000 to get from millisec
[15:05] <ebel> might wanna double check the source for your numbers. see if the specs say "unix time" or "milliseconds since 00:00 1st jan 1970", cause there could be a difference due to leap seconds.
[15:06] <ebel> (if there is a spec ;) )
[15:06] <ebel> (very much depends on how accurate you want/need it to be)


[12:20] <kupesoft> So login.defs is where I should look?
[12:20] <kupesoft> I guess I could stack trace chfn
[12:20] <kupesoft> see where it reads and writes
[02:44] <kupesoft> I have a multi-user environment on a server where I can't trust my users not to hog resources and spawn too many processes (re: fork bomb).  How can I limit resources and processes on a per-user basis?
[02:05] <J_P> hi all
[02:06] <J_P> hey all, anyone know if are there tutorial for Configure Apache SSL and Subversion in Ubuntu ?
[03:12] <[miles] > J_P, I think google will give you more answers than here mate :)
[12:06] <nexact_> hello all, i've installed libcurl, is there a way to know if static or shared library has been installed?
[12:07] <kronus_> hello


 My laptop has this issue where the PgUp & PgDn, which I rarely use, have their own dedicated keys, but to do Home and End, which i use regularly, I need to do Fn+PgUp and Fn+PgDn
[06:52] <Babloyi> is there any way to swap that functionality around?
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> some laptops allow Fn lock to be setup by default in BIOS/EFI
[06:54] <Babloyi> but that would cause problems for all the other Fn keys that I don't want to use?
[06:55] <Babloyi> don't want to use by default, I mean
[06:58] <xubuntu_DD> systemd-udevd consuming 98% cpu
[06:59] <xubuntu_DD> installed xubuntu 18.04   systemd-udevd consuming 98% cpu
[07:00] <diogenes_> xubuntu_DD: reboot
[07:00] <xubuntu_DD> did it. same problem
[07:01] <diogenes_> what devices you have got attached to it? also how many HDDs?
[07:03] <xubuntu_DD> inspiron 1545.  intel core 2 duo . 1 Hard disk 256Gb. Ram 3 Gb
[07:05] <xubuntu_DD> 252 root      20   0<PHONE_NUMBER>16   3124 R  97.7  4.2  10:54.78 systemd-udevd                    287 root      20   0   45856   5604   4472 R  24.8  0.2   3:08.68 systemd-udevd                  16126 willuul+  20   0 1822848<PHONE_NUMBER>76 S   7.6  7.6   0:09.76 Web Content                      245 root      19  -1<PHONE_NUMBER>56 235156 S   4.3  7.7   0:35.22 systemd-journal
[07:05] <diogenes_> ok let's see, run: top, make a screeshot and share the link here
[07:05] <diogenes_> don't paste much info in the chat
[07:05] <diogenes_> !pastebin
[13:22] <fluitfries> hi all, running Xubuntu 16.04.5 LTS here and running into some graphics funkyness.  my primary issue is that when i boot the pc, if a monitor is not plugged in and literally turned on and ready, the computer doesn't want to initialize a video signal at all.  i should also say that this installation of Xubuntu used to have a dedicated dvi video card but it was removed and now i use the onboard vga port.  does anyone
[13:22] <fluitfries>  have any ideas where i can look to start troubleshooting this?
[15:15] <duke> Hey there. So, I have a shitty tablet that came with Win 8 and I installed Xubuntu onto it. (Trust me, it was annoying, because the EFI on this thing only wanted to boot up 32bit efi loaders)
[15:18] <duke> Anyways, most stuff works fine out of the box. Only thing that doesn't work (and I kinda care about) is a way to lock and turn off the screen when pressing the power button and audio playback doesn't work, the system defaults to trying to play back audio through the HDMI connection instead of the internal speakers, they both get detected just fine, just having trouble making the system use the internal speakers. Any help? <3
[15:18] <duke> the webcam also doesnt seem to work, but I don't really care about that. :D
[16:03] <Spass> hello duke, setting default audio device in pavucontrol doesn't work?
[16:12] <Spass> and you can probably disable HDMI audio controller in the last tab
[20:36] <Slown> Hey guys
[20:36] <Slown> I just want to ask
[20:36] <Slown> why did you drop the i386 support for god sake
[20:36] <Slown> ??
[20:36] <Slown> We have older machines there folks
[20:37] <Slown> why you didn't ask the users before
[20:37] <flocculant> Slown: umm - what are you talking about?
[20:37] <Slown> Xubuntu drops the i386 support
[20:37] <flocculant> right - I'd love to know where it says that
[20:38] <Slown> on a blog about ubuntu
[20:38] <flocculant> and it specifically says that we're dropping support?
[20:38] <flocculant> njot Ubuntu - Xubuntu
[20:39] <Slown> no i386 iso, I mean not this version
[20:39] <Slown> but the next one 17.10
[20:39] <Slown> shame on you folks
[20:39] <Slown> that's outrageous
[20:39] <flocculant> that's Ubuntu
[20:39] <flocculant> not us
[20:39] <flocculant> sort out who you are talking to
[20:39] <Slown> Ubuntu ?
[20:39] <flocculant> this is a channel for Xubuntu
[20:39] <Slown> why lxde keep the the support then ?
[20:40] <Slown> I mean lubuntu
[20:40] <flocculant> for the moment - the same reason that we are
[20:40] <Slown> so if anyone has an ol
[20:40] <Slown> old pc
[20:40] <Slown> he gonna throw it, that's it ?
[20:40] <flocculant> it is also extremely likely that when either Lubuntu or Xubuntu decides to drop it - then so will the other
[20:41] <Slown> flocculant, are you a man or a woman ?
[20:41] <flocculant> I suggest you read what I've said rather than just randomly chucking rubbish around
[20:41] <Slown> I'm serious man
[20:41] <flocculant> if you want to talk about Ubuntu - then go do so in an Ubuntu channel
[20:42] <flocculant> and I'm serious about you reading what I said
[20:42] <flocculant> we have 32 bit iso's
[20:42] <Slown> I'm just asking to know if you are a man or a woman
[20:42] <Slown> I don't a woman to hear my curses xD
[20:42] <flocculant> why?
[20:42] <Slown> because I'm a gentleman :D
[20:42] <flocculant> most of the women I know would likely have you wishing they'd not started
[20:43] <flocculant> seems that what you actually are is someone unable to read
[20:43] <Slown> unable to read, why did sou say so man ?
[20:44] <flocculant> I tell you my take on 32 bit - rarely does anyone test it when it's needed
[20:44] <flocculant> like now for instance
[20:44] <Slown> that's not a reason man
[20:45] <Slown> what you gonna do with an old pc for god sake
[20:45] <Slown> you gonna throw it ?
[20:45] <flocculant> would you drive a Model T Ford?
[20:45] <Slown> just answer me dude
[20:45] <flocculant> anyway - busy testing Xubuntu Iso's now
[20:45] <Slown> don't ask me a question, I asked you one
[20:45] <Slown> that's already enough
[20:46] <flocculant> so - Xubuntu isn't, currently, dropping 32 bit. But in time we will.
[20:46] <Slown> yeah from the 17.10 version
[20:46] <flocculant> nope
[20:46] <Slown> flocculant, you work with the dev team ?
[20:46] <flocculant> I'm actually testing 32 bit 18.04.1
[20:46] <Slown> you are a nice guy btw
[20:46] <Slown> just give a high five to this guy :D
[20:47] <flocculant> we are still building 32 bit Iso's for what will be 18.10
[20:47] <Slown> what did I said
[20:47] <flocculant> Ubuntu dropped it - so did Mate, Kubuntu, Budgie
[20:47] <Slown> 18.10 version sorry
[20:47] <flocculant> nopw
[20:47] <Slown> the next one
[20:47] <flocculant> you are wrong
[20:47] <Slown> don't say that man
[20:47] <Slown> my gf is here
[20:47] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/390/builds/177729/testcases
[20:47] <Slown> I don't want to be embarassed
[20:48] <flocculant> I suggest you get her to read what you've been saying - so she can tell you all the times you've been wrong
[20:48] <flocculant> byw
[20:48] <flocculant> bye
[20:48] <Slown> haha you're a mean guy dude
[20:48] <Slown> we are just discussing man, no hard feelings
[20:49] <flocculant> indeed I am mean ;)
[20:49] <flocculant> I'm the QA Lead and one of the Council just so you know that I do in fact know what I'm talking about :)
[20:50] <Slown> Nice to meet you man
[20:50] <flocculant> anyway - seriously I am testing for the 18.04.1 release for thursday - you too
[20:50] <flocculant> don't believe everything you read in the interwebs
[20:50] <flocculant> :D
[20:50] <Slown> that's a great advice
[20:50] <Slown> you are right
[20:51] <nomenon> All hail flocculant!
[20:51] <Slown> btw, I'm using budgie and mate on my other computers
[20:51] <nomenon> sinner
[20:51] <flocculant> but not 32 bit soon ...
[20:51] <flocculant> nomenon: hah
[20:51] <Slown> I have and old pc with an intel core processor
[20:51] <Slown> nomenon, I remember you
[20:51] <Slown> a very nice dude
[20:51] <Slown> very funny
[20:51] <flocculant> that actually doesn't have 64 bit capability?
[20:51] <nomenon> yay!
[20:51] <Slown> how are you man ?
[20:52] <flocculant> anyway
[20:52] <nomenon> i am well thanks, and your self?
[20:52] <Slown> good thank you very much
[20:52] <flocculant> if you two just want to chat - can you take it to #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:52] <nomenon> flocculant, I have an eeepc with alpine 32bit on it
[20:52] <nomenon> irluvit
[20:52] <nomenon> ouch
[20:52] <Slown> so next time flocculant when you meet the team
[20:52] <Slown> ask them
[20:53] <flocculant> Slown: really?
[20:53] <Slown> why not ?
[20:53] <Slown> and I want to ben on board too
[20:53] <flocculant> how about you watch for the next time we have a COMMUNITY meeting - and come along to it
[20:53] <Slown> did you stream your meetings ?
[20:53] <flocculant> nope - irc
[20:53] <Slown> on irc ?
[20:54] <Slown> no real meetings ?
[20:54] <flocculant> Slown: actually hang on a moment
[20:54] <Slown> omg that's sounds awful
[20:54] <Slown> it's like dating a girl on internet
[20:54] <Slown> where are you from btw ?
[20:57] <flocculant> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/05/15/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t20:25
[20:57] <flocculant> is when we last discussed 32 bit iso's
[20:57] <flocculant> and the uk
[21:28] <sm0rux> Thanks a lot to everyone solving the "eject USB stick" problem when using Thunar!


[00:00] <arraybolt3> I guess I spend too much time doing other things.
[00:00] <leftyfb> arraybolt3: you should learn systemd. It'll be worth it
[00:00] <pycurious> I didnt know there was crontab @reboot!
[00:00] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: :P You're probably right.
[00:00] <NickH> Anything is difficult if you don't know how to do it.
[00:07] <cobraeriko> Can I save a backup image of my old SSD (that had Ubuntu installed) and re-install Ubuntu on my new SSD using that backup file? I aim to restore all my apps, files, settings, etc., from my old drive and don't care about what's on the new one
[00:10] <leftyfb> cobraeriko: you can image your old ubuntu SSD onto the new one. But again, I personally don't recommend doing that unless you don't have any interest in having a fresh and cleaner running system nor learning how to restore from a proper backup
[00:13] <arkanoid> I have to run an appimage as root to make it access a device, but non-appimage userland tools can access same device
[00:13] <EriC^^> cobraeriko: look into clonezilla
[00:13] <arkanoid> how can I change and set permission for an appimage?
[00:14] <EriC^^> cobraeriko: are the sizes identical of both ssd?
[00:14] <cobraeriko> the size of the new ssd is larger
[00:14] <EriC^^> ok use clonezilla should be easier
[00:18] <cobraeriko> Fsck says the filesystem on the old SSD is clean. But I’m afraid of cloning it onto the new SSD because of the reason I upgraded the drive in the first place: that it stopped booting Ubuntu properly (the login menu would not appear on boot)
[00:19] <Habbie> the old drive currently does not boot?
[00:19] <leftyfb> cobraeriko: you should REALLY install Ubuntu from scratch on the new drive and restore files from the old one as needed
[00:19] <Habbie> +1 to that
[00:19] <Habbie> especially if things are broken right now
[00:19] <EriC^^> cobraeriko: what happened when you tried to boot?
[00:19] <oerheks> arkanoid, care to share what appimage, and what device?
[00:20] <EriC^^> i think he should figure out why it wasnt booting as well, probably nothing wrong with the old ssd
[00:20] <Habbie> that's also likely true
[00:20] <leftyfb> there's a new, large SSD
[00:20] <leftyfb> larger*
[00:20] <EriC^^> ah right
[00:20] <arkanoid> oerheks: hackrf (usb). It works with userland tools like hackrf_transfer, but Sigdigger appimage (https://github.com/BatchDrake/SigDigger) works only if executed with sudo
[00:21] <EriC^^> he said he will be cleaning out the old one so doesnt matter i guess
[00:22] <arkanoid> oerheks: that software use SDR middleware SoapySDR. The userland util SoapySDRUtil --find also succeeds in finding the usb device without sudo
[00:22] <cobraeriko> If I restore files as needed from the old one, can I transfer my local flask apps that have remote git repos? SSH credentials and KVM virtual machines?
[00:23] <arkanoid> it seems that the appimage lives in a separate world of permissions
[00:25] <leftyfb> arkanoid: you'll need to seek support with appimages from the maintainer/distributor
[00:25] <leftyfb> cobraeriko: yes, you can restore most, if not all of that
[00:25] <oerheks> yes, i see not fix for that
[00:25] <leftyfb> arkanoid: the KVM's might be a bit harder. I don't have experience with that
[00:26] <arkanoid> do appimages live in a virtual machine?
[00:26] <Habbie> i do - how are the KVMs managed?
[00:26] <leftyfb> arkanoid: they are their own encapsulated environment
[00:26] <Habbie> leftyfb, i think you meant to address cobraeriko about the KVMs, not arkanoid :)
[00:26] <Habbie> but i see how the two topics just almost aligned
[00:27] <leftyfb> yeah
[00:27] <Habbie> cobraeriko, how are you managing the KVMs on the old system/SSD ?
[00:27] <arkanoid> it doesn't seems to me that appimage technology makes use of virtual machines
[00:28] <leftyfb> arkanoid: it doesn't
[00:28] <Habbie> arkanoid, no, but linux has many "lighter" encapsulation models (namespaces) that are not virtual machines
[00:28] <Habbie> (that said, i know nothing about appimages)
[00:28] <leftyfb> they aren't officially supported in Ubuntu AFAIK
[00:32] <arkanoid> thanks for the feedback, I'll ask somewhere else
[00:33] <cobraeriko> on the old system. I was managing the KVMs with QEMU (if that makes sense). Was using ssh to get into the Ubuntu Server on one of my VM's
[00:34] <Habbie> qemu? or libvirt? how did you start/stop VMs?
[00:35] <cobraeriko> virsh start {vm-name}
[00:35] <Habbie> ok, so libvirt
[00:35] <Habbie> then the VM tends to have two parts - some xml in /etc/libvirt, and an image file (likely a qcow2, likely in /var/lib/libvirt/images
[00:36] <Habbie> _
[00:36] <Habbie> )
[00:38] <cobraeriko> on the virtual maching was a Ubuntu server that had a Flask web-app with a reverse-proxy nginx server and gunicorn app server. The web app was hosting a website
[00:41] <cobraeriko> The DNS records pointed to my public IP which routed to the IP of my virtual machine that had the web-app.
[00:47] <cobraeriko> Can I clone the old VM to my new drive and copy the SSH credentials to my new drive so I can run this VM and SSH into it?
[00:48] <leftyfb> cobraeriko: Habbie already told you where the files are stored for your VM's. SSH credentials are stored in ~/.ssh/
[00:49] <cobraeriko> Ok thanks allo
[00:49] <cobraeriko> *all
[01:14] <xxy> what's name of Ubuntu network manager service ?
[01:15] <leftyfb> NetworkManager
[03:49] <sybariten> hey hey
[03:49] <sarnold> hey sybariten
[03:50] <sybariten> i was wondering if someone could shed some light on an error message or rather warning, cause i find it a bit tricky to understand
[03:51] <sybariten> So i am running ubuntu 22.04 and i'm trying to install node.js via apt. Apart from the more typical procedure, i get this ncurses-like pink fullscreen message that says  "Newer kernel available  /  The currently running kernel version is 5.15.0-58-generic which is not the expected kernel version 5.15.0-60-generic.  /  Restarting the system to load the new kernel will not be handled automatically,
[03:51] <sybariten> so you should consider rebooting."
[03:51] <sybariten> A kernel is somethoing i would need to manually install anyhow, right? So how is a reboot going to change anything?
[03:52] <leftyfb> sybariten: your kernel is kept up to date like any other package
[03:52] <leftyfb> in order to run the newly installed kernel as opposed to the one you are running now, you need to reboot
[03:53] <sybariten> But, _am_ i going to run the new kernel if i reboot now? The warning message just has an "OK" button.
[03:53] <leftyfb> yes
[03:53] <sybariten> So the install of node.js prompted an update of my kernel?
[03:54] <leftyfb> I can't answer that. I don't think so.
[03:54] <sybariten> "prompted" meaning, forced or started
[03:54] <sybariten> ok....
[03:54] <sarnold> sybariten: ugh I hate that thing
[03:55] <sybariten> uh actually the top of the warning message says "pending kernel upgrade", that sounds like something that's actually going to happen then.
[03:55] <sarnold> sybariten: there's some advice on https://askubuntu.com/a/1424249/33812  for how you can get rid of that
[03:55] <sybariten> Well in any case i guess i can just press OK now anyhow, this is more like an information i suppose
[03:55] <sybariten> ok
[03:56] <leftyfb> sybariten: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade   # this will get you up to date. You can compare your running kernel with "uname -a" and a list of installed kernels "apt list --installed linux-image*"
[03:57] <sybariten> sarnold: aaah right, i've been in that thread before. Maybe it was even you who linked it.
[03:57] <sarnold> lol maybe ;)
[03:58] <sybariten> leftyfb: and it's more or less "harmless" ?
[03:58] <Bashing-om> sybariten: sysop@x2204mini:~$ uname -r >> 5.15.0-60-generic . Do you gave that latest kernel installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' ?
[03:58] <leftyfb> sybariten: yes
[03:58] <sybariten> Bashing-om: hmm come again?
[03:58] <SomeDude> Hi, I was wondering if I could get assistance with a Ubuntu / Lubuntu question
[03:59] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: dpkg -l | grep linux-image|grep ^ii
[03:59] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: this is why I go with apt
[04:00] <Bashing-om> sybariten: Sorry typo - the latest kernel that the warning also calls for is "5.15.0-60-generic" is that vesion installed now ?
[04:00] <leftyfb> Bashing-om: or better: dpkg -l | grep ^ii.*linux-image
[04:00] <sybariten> Bashing-om: well i guess i'm on 58 since thats what they said there, but let me double check
[04:01] <sybariten> uhhh well leftys last command there gives three differentlines as output ..
[04:01] <sybariten> it says 58, then 60, then virtual
[04:02] <sybariten> OK so uname -r says 58
[04:02] <NickH> So you installed a new kernel sometime between now and your last reboot.
[04:03] <sybariten> Really?
[04:03] <tomreyn> SomeDude: just ask, that's what this channel is for. :)
[04:03] <NickH> That is the most simple explanation.
[04:03] <z4kz> how do I apt upgrade kept back packages all at once?
[04:03] <sybariten> Maybe i should reboot this machine and see what happens. It's a bit scary just becaouse its a vps which i've never rebooted or anything
[04:03] <z4kz> without having to explicitly name each package
[04:03] <leftyfb> z4kz: you copy and paste the list of packages and run them with apt install
[04:03] <SomeDude> Hi, I am having an issue with my Lubuntu wifi, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me
[04:04] <SomeDude> since installation 16.04 it cant find the wifi adapter for some reason
[04:04] <z4kz> is there no other way to do it?
[04:04] <SomeDude> is there a way to check for this through terminal?
[04:04] <tomreyn> SomeDude: oh, 16.04 is no longer supported. try installing a current version.
[04:04] <sybariten> bah i'll do it tomorrow... very late now. very late ...   thank you bashing, lefty, sarnold !
[04:04] <sarnold> gn8 sybariten :)
[04:05] <SomeDude> hmmm laptop is about 20 years old, not sure it can handle a newer version of the OS
[04:05] <sarnold> what's uname -a  report?
[04:06] <NickH> SomeDude: is this a new wifi adapter?
[04:06] <SomeDude> 5.4.0-137-generic #154~18.04.01-Ubuntu
[04:06] <tomreyn> SomeDude: if you need to run such old hardware, there are other linux distributions, which might work better on very old hardware. you could ask for suggestions in #linux
[04:07] <sarnold> SomeDude: heh, you missed the architecture..
[04:09] <leftyfb> SomeDude: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep "model name"|uniq
[04:09] <tomreyn> z4kz: sudo apt full-upgrade
[04:10] <leftyfb> tomreyn: that won't catch phased upgrades
[04:10] <tomreyn> right, but there's no reason to catch those anyways
[04:11] <z4kz> tomreyn: thanks
[04:12] <SomeDude> model name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-57
[04:12] <tomreyn> !phased | z4kz: as leftyfb pointed out, those may remain
[04:13] <leftyfb> !phasedupdates | z4kz those may remain
[04:13] <tomreyn> thanks leftyfb
[04:13] <z4kz> thanks
[04:13] <ViatonWidz[m]> z4kz: apt upgrade ~U will do it, I think
[04:14] <leftyfb> uh
[04:15] <leftyfb> interesting
[04:15] <leftyfb> where the heck does that come from?
[04:15] <leftyfb> ViatonWidz[m]: either way, that's the same as apt full-upgrade
[04:15] <tomreyn> aptitude, and apt's newer man pages
[04:16] <ViatonWidz[m]> (7) apt-patterns It's the new hotness in becoming an apt daddy
[04:17] <SomeDude> uname -a gave me: 5.4.0-137-generic #154~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 10 16:58:20 UTC 2023 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:18] <leftyfb> SomeDude: it's 64bit. You can install the latest ubuntu
[04:18] <sarnold> ah good, that's 64 bit, it should run the newer systems
[04:18] <sarnold> at least I think we can still boot BIOS..
[04:18] <leftyfb> we can
[04:19] <tomreyn> it'll have too little ram, though, most likely
[04:19] <leftyfb> SomeDude: though you might need one of the more "efficient" flavors like lubuntu or xubuntu
[04:19] <sarnold> tomreyn: good point. lubuntu perhaps?
[04:19] <SomeDude> I am running lubuntu
[04:19] <NickH> How much ram do you have?
[04:19] <SomeDude> lubuntu 16:04
[04:19] <leftyfb> I would upgrade memory and get an SSD
[04:20] <leftyfb> but by then, you could probably buy a new laptop for about the same price
[04:20] <tomreyn> i#d upgrade the mainboard and cpu and storage, too
[04:20] <sarnold> that proc scores a 640 or so on the passmark bechmarks; I wouldn't put more money into that machine
[04:20] <SomeDude> last time this happened someone helped me turn on the wifi port, that was the issue? is there a way to check that in terminal?
[04:20] <Menzador> That CPU's credit score need s work
[04:20] <Menzador> Oh geez, this is the actual support channel, /ignoreme
[04:21] <leftyfb> pretty sure a pi is around 900 :)
[04:22] <sarnold> Menzador: lol
[04:22] <sarnold> SomeDude: 'rfkill'?
[04:22] <sarnold> leftyfb: I don't think passmark ranks anything that can't run windows :(
[04:22] <leftyfb> sarnold: quick google had someone compare it to another CPU
[04:25] <sarnold> leftyfb: aha :)
[04:39] <morgan-u2> what program can I use to edit photos, especially to crop them?
[04:40] <sarnold> gimp if you want something vaguely like photoshop
[04:40] <guiverc> gimp is a very powerful tool & will crap photos, but there are smaller/easy apps too
[04:41] <guiverc> gimp = graphic image manipulation tool (ie. loads of functions & powerful tool)
[04:41] <SomeDude> PhotoPea is a good browser based raster editor
[04:41] <octav1a> but it's not open source
[04:42] <SomeDude> true, GIMP is want a 100% open source raster editor
[04:42] <octav1a> gimp is good for crop. Select area, ctrl+c , ctrl+shift+v, ctrl+shift+e
[04:42] <ViatonWidz[m]> gthumb got some basic editing tools
[04:43] <guiverc> SomeDude, Lubuntu 16.04 is EOSS (end of standard support; https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/03/13/extended-security-maintenance-for-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-begins-april-30-2021/
[04:43] <sarnold> if you want to do thousands of something, graphicsmagic is nice enough
[04:43] <SomeDude> 👍
[04:44] <guiverc> and fyi SomeDude; I used devices as old as from 2003 in QA-testing releases up to Lubuntu 19.04... devices as old as 2005 using currently supported releases in QA
[04:44] <SomeDude> okay, i;ll give it a try
[04:45] <SomeDude> im running Lubuntu 16:04 and it already feels very slow, but I'll update it
[04:46] <guiverc> SomeDude, you need to consider your machine resources & how you you'll use it with the OS/desktop you'll use; not waste resources but have them share... I still use devices from 2003 with 1GB of RAM; but i use them more carefully than I do this box for example; but you're off-topic here.
[04:46] <guiverc> You may also need to configure the machine a little post install (if your box lacks resources)...
[04:47] <SomeDude> gotcha
[05:57] <defiant> hey, what program/serice in ubuntu is managing the /media folder?
[06:44] <mitsubishi> утра
[06:45] <arraybolt3> !ru | mitsubishi
[06:56] <_hao> is there a tool allow me to bind a key in specific app? like when inside firefox, I'd like to bind H to ctrl-left (history back).
[06:58] <_hao> I'm not looking for vimium/tridactyl here, actually trying to solve a problem when using them (their key sometimes cannot work)
[07:01] <_hao> also, xdotools/ydotools don't on ubuntu
[07:10] <arraybolt3> _hao: You might be able to get xdotool to work on ubuntu if you log in using Xorg rather than Wayland.
[08:14] <hermano> I have a kvm guest up and running with a shared bridge with physical machine so both machines gets ip addresses from the physical router/DHCP. The machines can ping each other.
[08:14] <hermano> The problem I have is that I cannot get SSH running because I would need to "copy/paste" each respective SSH pubkey.
[08:15] <hermano> On guest I installed the 'spice'vdagent' and added the channel spice. Rebooted guest, but the "copy/paste" seems still to not work.
[08:28] <alkisg> hermano: one way to transfer keys is to run this locally: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:28] <alkisg> and this remotely: mkdir .ssh; wget termbin.com/URL -O .ssh/authorized_keys; chmod 600 .ssh/authorized_keys
[08:28] <hermano> I have followed this instruction to setup "kvm copy paste": https://askubuntu.com/questions/1375027/copy-paste-does-not-work-between-host-and-guest-ubuntu-spice-installed
[08:28] <alkisg> There's also scp of course, assuming you do have a non-root user with interactive authentication enabled...
[08:29] <hermano> alkisg, scp is runned on top of ssh. If ssh is not working, scp will not work.
[08:30] <alkisg> hermano: e.g. on host1 I have administrator with interactive authentication; I can then use scp from host2 to host1 even though I can't ssh TO host2, because there I only have a root user with no interactive authentication
[08:30] <alkisg> So in that case, "reverse scp" works, but not "forward scp", so  it's still possible to transfer the keys
[08:31] <alkisg> Your case may be different of course, you didn't provide all the details
[08:31] <hermano> alkisg, ah ok.
[08:35] <hermano> Anyone care to explain how the working "KVM copy paste" should be? How do you perform the copy respective the paste?
[08:46] <clarkk> ugh, really not happy. I'm on ubuntu 20.04. I updated yesterday, and now the bluetooth is unreliable. Something similar happened about a year ago, and I managed to work around it until some random update fixed it. There are different bluetooth symptoms today; they're more intrusive, and stop me working. I have no idea how to work around them. I just feel like moving to another distro if I can't rely on ubuntu.
[08:46] <clarkk> I'd like to undo the updates yesterday, but I guess that's not possible?
[08:46] <clarkk> The problems are that, when using my bluetooth headset to watch a youtube video, the system will lock up. The youtube spinner will show. I have to switch off the headset to "release" the video. However, then the CPU usage will go up, with bluetoothd, dbus-daemon and pulseaudio taking 100%. I run systemctl restart bluetooth, which resolves that, but then my headset won't connect. Does anyone have any suggestions, please?
[08:47] <clarkk> I've tried rebooting. The problem reoccurs quite quickly, so that's not a feasible solution.
[08:49] <akik> i have trouble using nvidia 920m optimus with fedora (xid kernel errors). i read that bumblebee would still exist in ubuntu. would that help in my case?
[08:59] <i_use_xubuntu_bt> hi
[09:07] <Bencraft> Hi, on Ubuntu 22.10 with nvidia-driver-525, if I set my second monitor to anything other than it's native res (3840x2160) it goes blank. I'm trying to set it to 2560x1440 to match my primary monitor (3440x1440).
[09:07] <Bencraft> This has only stopped working since upgrading from 22.04.
[09:25] <clarkk> rebooting. Will say something when I'm back
[10:08] <clarkk> I'm back
[12:19] <WeeBey> Hello frens. I want to just leave a bit of information in case someone comes across it: After installing a Kernel newer than 5.19.xx (double digits), VirtualBox7 stopped working and could not rebuild modules. This is because it needs gcc-12 and /sbin/gcc points to gcc-12; I d/l 12 and replaced the symlink. This does the job and I'm back in business.
[12:20] <WeeBey> (I'm on 22.04)
[12:21] <ogra> so just dont install unsupported ad untested kernels then ...
[12:21] <ogra> *and
[12:22] <retro> sa
[12:22] <retro> türk var mı
[12:22] <ogra> !tr
[12:23] <retro> hello
[12:23] <kyleA> hi all i have a question about live build, is this the right channel to ask?
[12:25] <ogra> kyleA, you can try ... people familiar with live-build code are typically in #ubuntu-devel though
[12:26] <kyleA> okay that helps i can ask there :) thank you
[13:45] <akik> TJ-'s guide on full disk encryption for 2019 worked well. only improvement i could think of is if you wanted to install on /dev/sda9 (luks boot) and /dev/sda10 (luks root) that i needed to be really careful to use the correct devices
[13:46] <akik> i'm dual booting with windows
[13:47] <akik> i mean this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[14:04] <bitbinge> Hey, my laptop's speakers volume is really low. Is there a trick to make the sound itself, fe. movies in a video player amplified a magnitude? The gnome system volume set to 150% does nothing and is a pain to work with.
[14:05] <bitbinge> Movies typically have their audio track volume's very low for whatever reason and when you then switch to say listen to some music, the difference can be painful.
[14:07] <akik> bitbinge: i used pactl or pacmd to increase the volume
[14:08] <akik> bitbinge: https://paste.linux.chat/?1bbeb7ac939070c4#DitziKx1ufRQSXosjLDuUG8KGw7ZdXSRZMAA8TpNW4dY
[14:08] <akik> i haven't tested that in a while so i don't know if it still works
[14:09] <akik> first snap i install in ubuntu 20.04 (chromium) and it's dog slow to install :(
[14:10] <bitbinge> akik, increase globally by a few times?
[14:11] <akik> maybe this is easier: pactl -- set-sink-volume 0 100%
[14:11] <akik> just try which one works
[14:11] <akik> yes increases globally
[14:12] <bitbinge> Ok, thanks!
[14:12] <akik> i need to use pactl list short sinks first
[14:12] <akik> the system doesn't have sink 0
[14:22] <Guest65> Yesterday I asked how to get midi to work but unfortunately nobody knew. Today I have installed something called fluidsynth, which can play midi files locally. Still not getting any music in games with midi however
[14:26] <Guest65> The game lists the following options for music (some of which were not present before installing fluidsynth): Synth Input Port (1101:0) 0, Synth Input Port (29800:0) 1, Midi Through Port 0-2
[14:26] <Guest65> Unfortunately, none of them work
[14:28] <Guest65> Does anyone know how I may troubleshoot this?
[14:36] <geosmileus> why is ssh -X not working from one machine to another. This is the error I get (Both Ubuntu boxes): Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[14:36] <geosmileus> ** (gthumb:292658): CRITICAL **: 09:36:09.880: Failed to parse arguments: Cannot open display:
[14:37] <leftyfb> geosmileus: on both machines, run: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[14:38] <geosmileus> both are tty
[14:38] <geosmileus> also echo $DISPLAY on remote is empty
[14:38] <leftyfb> can you run it locally as opposed to over SSH?
[14:40] <geosmileus> leftyfb, gthumb you mean? yes
[14:40] <geosmileus> oops - no it core dumped - looking
[14:40] <leftyfb> no, I mean echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE  run that locally on each machine, not over ssh
[14:40] <leftyfb> but also, if the program you are running is core dumping, it certainly isn't going to work over ssh -X
[14:40] <geosmileus> leftyfb, I can't. The server is remote - not physically accessible
[14:41] <leftyfb> geosmileus: you don't have out of band access to the server? What release of ubuntu is it?
[14:42] <geosmileus> desktop: Description:	Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS -- server: Description:	Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS
[14:47] <geosmileus> leftyfb, any ideas?
[14:48] <leftyfb> geosmileus: on your local machine, not over ssh, run:  echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[14:50] <symcal> I'm just curious if somebody has experience wit the fingerprint sensors. I've got a lenovo with 04f3:0c4b sensor which should be supported. But fprintd-enroll name says `impossible to enroll : No device available`
[14:51] <symcal> ubuntu 22.04.1 x86_64
[15:02] <grym> i'm trying to use pulseaudio-equalizer, which provides the tool `qpaeq`.  I have installed it, but the application fails to start with a python qt5 error.  But, i think i have all the dependencies installed; what gives? https://bpa.st/MHLHI
[15:07] <akik> bitbinge: did the volume adjusting work with pactl?
[15:19] <grym> alternatively: if there are other os-level equalizers out there, i'm (heh) all ears
[15:28] <GreatEmerald> I'm trying to install Jammy on a new PC, but Ubiquity keeps crashing when it reaches the bootloader installation part. The logs are saying that it's trying to run zsys-setup finalize, but I'm not using zfs at all, so it crashes. Can I get around that?
[15:29] <GreatEmerald> Namely, `zsys-setup finalize` simply quits because `zsys-setup init` was not run (and for a good reason, as it would also crash)
[15:30] <GreatEmerald> After that I get a Python traceback saying "GrubInstaller failed with code 1"
[15:34] <alkisg> GreatEmerald: what's the output of this command inside the live session? ( sudo lslbk -fe7; sudo ls /sys/firmware/efi ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:36] <GreatEmerald> alkisg: https://termbin.com/361qu
[15:37] <alkisg> GreatEmerald: btrfs mirror for root?
[15:37] <GreatEmerald> Yes
[15:37] <GreatEmerald> I also tried to see if changing the device to install the bootloader to would make a difference, but it crashes the same way no matter which I select
[15:38] <alkisg> GreatEmerald: and `sudo fdisk -l` says the partition table is gpt, not msdos, right?
[15:38] <GreatEmerald> alkisg: Yes, that's how I created it
[15:39] <alkisg> OK, then the grub/uefi parts look good,so I guess it's choking at the btrfs/mirror part somehow
[15:39] <alkisg> Btw if you're using mirror, it might be best to add a second esp, to be able to run with just the second disk
[15:40] <GreatEmerald> Hmm, true, though I always doubt whether the two would actually sync up if there are any GRUB updates
[15:41] <GreatEmerald> And the UEFI might get confused, but I could set it up later in any case
[15:41] <alkisg> You'd need a post script for that; proxmox does it automatically, you might copy theirs
[15:42] <GreatEmerald> In any case, I wonder if ubiquity somehow starts thinking that the setup is zfs at some point, rather than btrfs
[15:42] <alkisg> When UEFI won't find the first disk,it'll fall back to "any disk", and boot from the second one. I tried it with esp/zfs mirror root, it should be the same with esp/btrfs
[15:42] <alkisg> Quite possible judging from the messages; it certainly appears like some bug
[15:43] <alkisg> You might have to install in a normal partitioning scheme, and then copy the result... as a workaround until the bug is addressed
[15:44] <GreatEmerald> I could try having ubiquity format the btrfs volumes, then afterwards manually do a dev add and balance
[15:45] <GreatEmerald> But it's a bit annoying because I want to make sure I have /var on a subvolume
[15:45] <GreatEmerald> Otherwise I have to move it, make a subvolume, copy, remove...
[15:51] <GreatEmerald> Yeah, in the crashing script it says that it runs zsys-setup finalize only if ubiquity/use_zfs is set in its database. so something somewhere must be setting it
[16:05] <GreatEmerald> alkisg: I did a balance and dev remove to unmirror just the /, and indeed now ubiquity doesn't crash any more! It works fine with the /home mirrored, it seems. Good, then I can just balance and dev add again and I don't need to mess with anything.
[16:06] <alkisg> Nice :)
[16:18] <jhutchins> There is something to be said for simplicity.
[16:22] <GreatEmerald> It installed somewhat successfully, it still messed up my /home mount a bit, apparently the files were still written to the / drive, and when mounting they get masked
[16:23] <GreatEmerald> A bit of mount and mv later, and all is working very well
[16:35] <xantrex> Hi, i am quite new to ubuntu (22.04.1 LTS) and want to install nmap. The version available on apt is 7.91 but i want the latest 7.93. Is there an option available that doesnt involve compiling source
[16:36] <xantrex> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nmap
[16:36] <EriC^^> xantrex: you could use snap
[16:36] <EriC^^> snap install nmap
[16:37] <xantrex> i did use the snap version but it doesnt work properly with metaspoit
[16:37] <xantrex> https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/issues/17653
[16:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 17653 in rapid7/metasploit-framework "The nmap executable could not be found" [Open]
[16:37] <leftyfb> xantrex: what's in nmap 7.93 that you need that isn't in nmap 7.91?
[16:37] <xantrex> thats a good question, i dont know, maybe nothing...
[16:38] <leftyfb> xantrex: then I wouldn't bother
[16:38] <xantrex> its the easiest solution
[16:39] <leftyfb> right, to a problem that doesn't really exist :)
[16:39] <xantrex> :)
[16:51] <m15k> Hi I created a ntfs partion on a new ssd (which is bigger) and dd the old partition to the new sdd. Now the partition has the new size, but it seems that in Windows the size is still old. Any idea how I could fix that?
[16:51] <leftyfb> m15k: you should be asking in #windows
[16:52] <leftyfb> m15k: future reference, if you're going to image a filesystem onto a partition, you do not need to format it first. You just need the partition created
[16:53] <m15k> The partition size iis stored somewhere in GPT?
[16:53] <octav1a> chatgpt?
[16:54] <leftyfb> m15k: you need to resize the filesystem, in this case it's NTFS that you're trying to use on Windows. Please go ask in #windows
[16:54] <leftyfb> octav1a: can we help you with something?
[16:56] <octav1a> I don't think so. Thank you for asking and being part of a very commendable free software project, though!
[17:07] <fury> is there a way to remove all the /dev/ttyS0..31 that it makes? i'm trying to set up a laptop for simple embedded device flashing & testing, and part of the procedure is to select a serial port. however, the browser lists all ttyS* before all ttyUSB*, and ttyUSB* is the only one that's actually active. so i have to scroll every time. i'd rather delete the unused serial ports to streamline. i tried rm /dev/ttyS* but no dice :(
[17:15] <arezg> hi
[17:17] <pinkponyprince> hi
[17:18] <pinkponyprince> I am greenman pinkponyprince back again.
[17:49] <bitbinge> akik, no, pactl doesn't do what I want.
[17:50] <bitbinge> I want to make the sound itself have higher volume, this just changes the system wide volume over the 100% limit and the sound is horrible.
[17:50] <bitbinge> If I connect an external sound card, I can adjust the volume much higher without sound degradation.
[17:52] <bitbinge> It seems VLC can do that, but only to 200%, I need higher.
[17:59] <bitbinge> and preferably system wide
[18:02] <grym> on 18.04 LTS, i'm trying to use pulseaudio-equalizer, which provides the tool `qpaeq`, but the apt-provided package is broken.  I have installed it, but the application fails to start with a python qt5 error.  But, i think i have all the dependencies installed; what gives? https://bpa.st/MHLHI
[18:12] <iconoclasthero> Ubuntu 22.04: should XDG_CONFIG_HOME be set such that echo "$XDG_CONFIG_HOME" results in some directory, e.g., $HOME/.config?
[18:12] <akik> bitbinge: but you said your problem is too low volume?
[18:13] <akik> bitbinge: is it only in some certain app?
[18:13] <bitbinge> Yup. So far the best thing I found out is setting vlc to 300%, it's not perfect but works for movies.
[18:16] <bitbinge> Maybe the next limit is the hardware.
[18:19] <dragon_> are anyone booted in Ubuntu now? I am either going for lubuntu or ubuntu
[18:19] <dragon_> I think
[18:21] <iconoclasthero> xdg-user-dirs-update --dummy-output PICTURES > Can't save user-dirs.dirs, failed to create directory
[18:31] <leftyfb> iconoclasthero: trying giving it the full path
[18:32] <leftyfb> or not
[18:33] <leftyfb> iconoclasthero: what are you trying to accomplish exactly? (without mentioning xdg-user-dirs-update)
[18:35] <nonix4_> amdgpu null ptr deref kinda locked me out again... any chances of making screens wake up after such with ssh access?
[18:49] <nb-ben> do snaps use a layered filesystem?
[18:52] <ravage> nb-ben: squashfs. no layers really
[18:54] <nb-ben> yeah.. figured this out from github repo just as you said. Meh. I'm looking for a replacement for overlayfs, since that doesn't work with ZFS
[18:54] <nb-ben> I specifically need upperdir to be the mountpoint too, which makes this extra difficult
[19:36] <nonix4_> does ubuntu-bug support reporting amdgpu crashes (kernel module null deref, when using wayland)?
[20:42] <fury> hooray, i got rid of all 32 serial ports :D have to add 8250.nr_uarts=0 to the boot command line (/etc/default/grub) and then sudo update-grub
[20:50] <yuzi> Hi, is there any descent free vpn to use
[20:54] <hao> hi, I keep getting dconf warning like this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/cYHFWJ7mH7/
[20:56] <hao> I remember I once changed /etc/dconf/profile/user, added a line "service-db:keyfile/user" into it, dont know if this modification has anything to do with the warning
[20:58] <ioria> hao, sudo dconf update
[20:59] <sarnold> yuzi: tor?
[20:59] <hao> ioria, that doesn't fix this
[21:00] <yuzi> sarnold, no
[21:01] <hao> I see no site/local file in /etc/dconf after running `dconf update`, too
[23:09] <dragon_> has anyone issues with keyboard not working properly after install?
[23:10] <oerheks> no recent reports in this channel, what is your issue exactly?
[23:11] <dragon_> I have an HP with a windows keyboard
[23:11] <dragon_> I have no key "b" or "n"
[23:11] <sarnold> someone had an oddball system in here a few days / weeks ago, that required specific kernel modules loaded for it to work
[23:12] <tomreyn> that was me, but the issue was limited to initrd where these kernel modules weren't loaded, yet.
[23:12] <dragon_> the control shift keys for @ and dollar, euro signs isn`t working either
[23:12] <tomreyn> dragon_'s issue sounds different so far
[23:12] <tomreyn> is this a bluetooth keyboard?
[23:13] <dragon_> no, a regular portable HP pavillion, laptop, the basic keyboard in the pc
[23:14] <tomreyn> can you connect an external keyboard and thus work around it for now?
[23:16] <dragon_> I may try that, I have to get one first
[23:18] <tomreyn> you may want to set up an ssh server on it and start that automatically (possibly by chroot'ing into the installed system from a live iso), then connect to that and inspect your logs
[23:19] <oerheks> when i bing 'linux  B and n keys not working on HP laptop' tons of posts
[23:28] <SleePy> Quick question.  "apt upgrade -y", in 22.04, I get the "Kernel has been updated screen, which stops it from proceeding.  Any way to have it just continue on past that and the prompt for restarting services?


 Tired. I'm gonna be glad when the weekend comes along
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> great enjoy your weekend mate
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> hey Phruis
[16:40] <Phruis> hey
[16:41] <Phruis> anyone updated to the beta?
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> im testing 20.04 from the start of release
[16:41] <Phruis> any major issues from a plasma perspective?
[16:42] <Phruis> lotuspsychje, is it your daily driver or you have it on another hard drive?
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> Phruis: i have a spare laptop that i always help the LTS releases file bugs
[16:44] <ducasse> i'm also on focal, but not plasma
[16:44] <Phruis> lotuspsychje, thats a good way to do it
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> Phruis: BluesKaj is on 20.04 kubuntu
[16:46] <BluesKaj> hi Phruis, got a question about plasma on 20.04?
[16:48] <Phruis> hi, I was just curious if you had any issues
[16:49] <Phruis> im on all AMD hardware
[16:49] <BluesKaj> Phruis, not anything serious, there were some graphical artifacts a few weks ago, but they've disappeared after the last few upgrades
[16:50] <Phruis> thats good
[16:51] <BluesKaj> things are getting close to release so the bugs are becoming fewer
[16:51] <BluesKaj> it's quite stable atm
[16:51] <Phruis> Thats good..I will probably upgrade then and report bugs if I encounter them
[16:52] <BluesKaj> right
[17:02] <Ussat> whats eta on release ?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> 23rd
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> getting close now :p
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> more accurately... there isn't a firm release date... it gets released when the bugs are worked out. That April 23rd date was set long before all the worlds current troubles started, and anything could happen during the last few weeks of testing
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> *major bugs are worked out
[17:09] <Phruis> Do most canonical developers work in the same office?
[17:09] <pragmaticenigma> Canonical has offices all around the world, and many more community developers contributing
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> a alot of jobs also are homebased
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> Phruis: are you interested to apply for a job?
[17:11] <Phruis> I don't know if I would have the right skills for ubuntu development.  I know php, c++/Qt, python and other database related stuff.
[17:12] <Phruis> Would be cool to work on the project though
[17:12] <Phruis> right now I am a solo dev for a clinical trials company
[17:13] <Phruis> would be more fun to work with other developers
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> they renewed the canonical jobs website, might wanna take a look
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> https://canonical.com/careers
[17:14] <Phruis> I'll check it out thanks
[17:25] <Ussat> Hmm...checking it out myself
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> some interesting jobs, when you can work from home, opensource
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> with traveling on some times..
[17:28] <Groar> hi
[17:31] <Ussat> Ya, nothing there really for me atm
[17:32] <Groar> I'm thinking about installing Ubuntu on my laptop, but haven't used Linux on a Laptop since 2010
[17:32] <Phruis> Groar, much has improved since then
[17:33] <Groar> Phruis: Well, haven't used windows since 90's. I'm under Windows right now but the only reason is it came preinstalled, I'm moving tomorrow or on Sunday
[17:33] <Groar> Does it normally recognises webcams?
[17:34] <daftykins> prepare a USB flash drive, boot a live session and test - zero need to commit
[17:34] <Groar> yeah that's true
[17:35] <Ussat> or, VM
[17:35] <Groar> heh, my wife told me not to install linux because it's harder to use than windows
[17:35] <Groar> then I checked registry and... whoah
[17:35] <Ussat> which would be my choice
[17:35] <Groar> Ussat: I'm moving yes or yes. I'm simply trying to check what's going to fail or not to work properly to be ready to fix it
[17:35] <daftykins> VM won't help test the hardware of the system
[17:36] <daftykins> i think depending on your drive size, you should install alongside Windows to start with, then
[17:36] <daftykins> especially if this machine doesn't have wired LAN built in
[17:37] <Groar> I've been using Linux since Ubuntu first was released
[17:37] <Groar> I mean... since 2004
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> !4.04
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> !4.10
[17:38] <Groar> yeah, 4.10 had that name for a reason
[17:38] <Groar> worst Linux I've ever tried
[17:38] <Groar> still better than windows haha
[17:38] <Groar> From 7.04 on, Ubuntu was super good imo
[17:39] <Groar> So..., downloading Ubuntu 20.04 beta
[17:39] <Groar> let's see what happens tomorrow
[17:39] <daftykins> let's try and keep the childish OS wars remarks to a minimum
[18:19] <Phruis> upgrade appeared to go very smoothly
[18:20] <Phruis> one small issue though.  Several errors about missing firmware for amdgpu
[18:20] <Phruis> doesn't seem to have affected anything


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[03:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Appreciate that you followed through - I had read the channel backlog so was aware :D
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[11:18] <lool> Cool, new mobile image; syncing the daily
[14:30] <josephus> could someone help me configuring input devices on the U560?
[14:30] <josephus> http://pastie.org/285234
[14:30] <josephus> it has a joystick mouse, a touchscreen a few extra keyboard buttons
[14:31] <josephus> the joystick is extremely slow, the touch is messed up, unable to calibrate it with evtouch
[14:42] <lool> ogra: ubuntu-mobile looks quite good on the jax10
[14:43] <lool> Plus the failsafe Xorg has been fixed in some way and I can login with vesa now; just get the confirmations which i'd like to get rid of
[14:46] <ogra> cool
[14:46]  * ogra is just starting up debian gnome on the n800 for the first time
[14:47] <lool> Hey bfiller
[15:21] <lool> Weird, I can only a sda on my jax10
[15:21] <lool> I thought it had two disks
[15:22] <lool> sda is 2 GB
[16:50] <josephus> lool: is there a failsave xorg with vesa?
[16:50] <josephus> failsafe*
[19:15] <rhp> Hi again. Now that I finally can build images locally (by installing 8.04.1 in a virtual box...) I want to find out why the fpit input is scaled.
[19:16] <rhp> There seem to be some posts about the topic, but they suggest that the problem should be solved in Intrepid. ubuntu-mobile uses the regular intrepid repositories, right?
[19:24] <lool> josephus: I don't quite understand your question
[19:25] <lool> josephus: failsafe is vesa
[19:25] <josephus> umm yes, but my X keeps restarting and i cant check the logs (squashfs <3)
[19:27] <josephus> anyway i ended up installing a desktop 8.04 from usb stick, everything except the touchscreen works out of the box
[20:54] <rhp> ok, one step further. Turns out the fpit scaling problem is fixed if TrackRandR is on...
[22:10] <ogra-n800> yay
[22:12] <stgraber> ogra-n800: gnome ? :)
[22:21] <ogra-n800> n800 ubuntu-mobile,though i"m cheating, it"s debiam, but ubuntu graphics
[22:25] <stgraber> :)
[22:30] <stgraber> ogra-n800: btw, I have ltsp and ldm UVFe bugs for you to review if you have time later. I'll then subscribe ubuntu-release to them.


[11:20] <Widget> the wpa howto for ubuntu says that I should be able to select WPA for my wifi card (prism54) but I can't.  it works manually with wpa_supplicant tho
[11:20] <booster_> no mouse movement no key strokes just locks up
[11:20] <Ray_at_UW> booster_: And this didn't happen in windows?
[11:21] <ninjabooty> but more than anything I need a stable distro that I can recommend to people who don't know jack about computers
[11:21] <ninjabooty> especially when those people are running Pentium Klamath cores ,etc
[11:21] <Ray_at_UW> ninjabooty: Ubuntu is out then. Considering you can't even make desktop shortcuts via the GUI
[11:21] <jsg> alsamixer is all max volumes :(
[11:22] <booster_> umm no i dont think i ever had that problem with windows....i have 2 hdds but i took the one with the windows xp out so now all i have is the linux hdd in the tower
[11:22] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:  of course you can make shortcuts - who said you couldnt ?
[11:22] <erUSUL> xamox: make folders in the extra drives and make that folderes accesable by the useres you want
[11:23] <ninjabooty> I think the phrase "plug and play" actually means something to people who don't know the first thing about it
[11:23] <Ray_at_UW> kkathman: I haven't been able to figure out how to make shortcuts to the desktop with the GUI
[11:23] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:  what exactly are you trying to do??
[11:23] <Pc_Dark> is there an aptitude/apt-get for compiz-fusion
[11:23] <stavrosopsilos> I'm running ubuntu, I downloaded the most recent kernel from kernel.org and now I want build it from source in UML
[11:24] <stavrosopsilos> can anyone help me with this?
[11:24] <Ray_at_UW> kkathman: I have my shared NTFS drive for dual boot mounted in /windows
[11:24] <Ray_at_UW> kkathman: I want to make a shortcut to it and put the shortcut on the desktop
[11:24] <erUSUL> stavrosopsilos: User mode linux?
[11:24] <stavrosopsilos> erUSUL yup
[11:24] <Jack_Sparrow> booster_: You might try dmesg in a terminal and scroll back and try to find the error...
[11:24] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:  ok so basically you want an icon on the desktop to point to a mounted drive?
[11:24] <T3hMikey> My sound has decided to spontaneously stop working, and I have no idea why. Does anyone have any ideas what I might have done?
[11:24] <ninjabooty> is there an ubuntu for people who only want a 25MB install?
[11:24] <erUSUL> !kernel | stavrosopsilos
[11:25] <ubotu> stavrosopsilos: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:25] <clokakz> Im not sure where to ask this. But right now i run DVI to VGA adapter on my gfx card and hook up my to my LCD TV....i switched to DVi to HDMI cable to go from PC to LCD. Is there a way to manually adjust where the screen is on my lcd because i cant adjust it via the LCD.
[11:25] <nytemyst> hi everyone
[11:25] <SplaZ> motd
[11:25] <Ray_at_UW> kkathman: So I did it with the ln command, But someone was here earlier asking how to do it with the GUI
[11:25] <nua> Hi, I'm trying to compile something and when I run configure, I get the following error: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.1) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[11:25] <Jack_Sparrow> T3hMikey: I had that problem after trying out desktop effects...beryl..compiz
[11:25] <nytemyst> does anybody know how to get a java installation on here
[11:25] <nua> Does anyone know what packages I need?
[11:26] <ninjabooty> yo, what's tanenbaum all about these days?
[11:26] <Jack_Sparrow> !java
[11:26] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[11:26] <strabes> does anyone know how to get exaile to work behind a proxy???
[11:26] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:  I'd have to switch over to ubuntu (im in kubuntu) but I know here in kubuntu you just right click on the desktop and choose Link to Device and fill in the info
[11:26] <erUSUL> clokakz: xvidtune can adjust that iirc (not used it in eons)
[11:26] <kane77> what stage is gutsy in?
[11:26] <veynom> !posix
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about posix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <T3hMikey> it was working just last night, then when I turned my computer on today, it stopped working. That's happened before, and a reboot generally fixes it, but I tried rebooting like 3 times, and still no sound.
[11:26] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:  I suspect its just as simple in ubuntu - but its been a little time since Ive been over there
[11:26] <Netham45> kane77, please redirect Gutsy questions to #Ubuntu+1
[11:27] <SplaZ> ###lo. New to the chan. How do I direct a question politely. Can someone priv. msg. me on that?###
[11:27] <ninjabooty> The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -andrew s
[11:27] <erUSUL> !ask | SplaZ
[11:27] <ubotu> SplaZ: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:27] <kkathman> SplaZ:  just ask your question and someone will help if they can :)
[11:27] <nytemyst> hey thanks for the info ive been going crazy  lol
[11:27] <SplaZ> Righto.
[11:28] <nytemyst> have a good one
[11:28] <N3oXid> Hi everyone.
[11:28] <Ray_at_UW> Kkathman: Well, it seems you can make a launcher...
[11:28] <Ray_at_UW> kkathman: But I'm not seeing links.
[11:29] <SplaZ> I'm attempting to play the Linux version of NeverwinterNIghts 1. I recieve the following error. I think I need a 3d Vcard, but want advice before I spend $$$. Error msg. follows....
[11:29] <N3oXid> I'mtrying to install a Promise Controler card but I have to compile a module first : how should I do that ?
[11:29] <ward_> a friend followed this guide to install his ftp server: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79588
[11:29] <ward_> he followed part B and C
[11:29] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW: let me signout here and resign in under ubuntu and I'll help you.  give me a moment
[11:29] <ConstyXIV> will virtualbox be in gutsy's repos?
[11:29] <gnuskool> jsg, nay luck with the mic?
[11:29] <lauriexxx> Good evening, could anyone guide to a good link on converting mpeg files to AVi for my archos media player? ps i m on feisty
[11:30] <ward_> but now he gets an error while booting
[11:30] <ward_> he "thinks" he got an error here so he skipped it: sudo openssl req -new -x509 -days 365 -key ca.key -out ca.crt
[11:30] <Ray_at_UW> kkathman: Sure. :) I'd like to know how to do it other than "ln -s /windows ~/Desktop/Windows"
[11:30] <ninjabooty> lauriexxx: http://www.virtualdub.org/
[11:30] <SplaZ> Error Msg on Neverwinter nights install: mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding Failed to initialize graphics.
[11:30] <ward_> anything possible to fix his machine?
[11:30] <ninjabooty> oh wait, I think that's in dose
[11:30] <ninjabooty> might be able to emulate
[11:31] <sutabi> How do I know of a module I loaded via "modprobe" has loaded?
[11:31] <BoSJo> Hi all. Can i get Feisty to start up with the same applications opend as when i shut it down??
[11:32] <PriceChild> sutabi, did you get any feedback?
 hibernate your gnome
[11:32] <jsg> gnuskool: no, thanx for asking.
[11:33] <Jowi> ward_, need the exact error to know what's going on.
[11:33] <BoSJo> casio_: Hibernate...hmmmm wont the PC still run then?
[11:33] <erUSUL> BoSJo: System>Preferences>Sessions
[11:33] <astro76> BoSJo, system > preferences > sessions, session options tab, check "automatically save changes to session"
[11:33] <sutabi> PriceChild: yeah:
[11:33] <sutabi> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l1-compat.ko
[11:33] <sutabi> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l2-common.ko
[11:33] <sutabi> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/videodev.ko
[11:33] <sutabi> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/ubuntu/media/gspcav1/gspca.ko
[11:33] <jsg> There is usually a volume control for the mic and a capture control
[11:33] <erUSUL> !paste | sutabi
[11:33] <PriceChild> !paste | sutabi
[11:33] <ubotu> sutabi: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:33] <Jowi> sutabi, please use pastebin
[11:33] <sutabi> =_+
[11:33] <jsg> on this system there is only a capture control
[11:33] <Netham45> !pastebin | sutabi
[11:33] <PriceChild> sutabi, if you get no errors then it was fine
[11:33] <BoSJo> astro76 & erUSUL : thanks, will check there
[11:33] <ward_> Jowi, i'll ask, just a sec
[11:33] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:   ok got it
[11:33] <lauriexxx> ninjabooty: are you sure?
 no - it is powered off - i think thats what you want ...
[11:34] <BoSJo> casio_: thats what i want
[11:34] <ward_> Jowi, something like "give password for server key"
[11:34] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:  right click the desktop, choose create launcher, then choose type=file, give it a name, then your command just needs to be your mount - like /mnt/windows
[11:35] <ward_> Jowi, and if he types the first letter it appears on screen (no *) and then his comp freezes
[11:35] <janux-xmind> can someone help me to use xen
[11:35] <ward_> Jowi, all before he can login
[11:35] <gnuskool> jsg, arecord is a command line recorder, run it in term
[11:35] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:  if you want it specific, just use /mnt/windows/music   or whatever
[11:36] <lauriexxx> ninjabooty: it appears to be for microsoft users only..
[11:36] <jsg> gives me text as signal
[11:36] <kkathman> Ray_at_UW:  but a really easy way to get to those things is to click on Places/Computer
[11:37] <SplaZ> !ask | THIS ERROR RECEIVED WHEN RUNNING NEVERWINTER1 (LINUX VER.)....    mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding Failed to initialize graphics.
[11:37] <ubotu> THIS ERROR RECEIVED WHEN RUNNING NEVERWINTER1 (LINUX VER.)....    mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding Failed to initialize graphics.: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:37] <jsg> doesn't change it's output based on my lovely voice in the mike
[11:37] <kkathman> your mounted drives are there
[11:37] <jsg> mic
[11:37] <Jowi> ward_, let him start up in rescue mode (also called failsafe, should give him a login prompt at least) and perhaps comment out the usage of keys in proftpd.conf? see if it boots at least.
[11:37] <ward_> Jowi, he isntalled the CLI version
[11:38] <danielronin> can anyone assist in making GRUB recognize another distro i just installed (everthing except bootloader)
[11:38] <Jowi> ward_, i don't mind which version he installed.
[11:38] <ward_> Jowi, so there's no menu for recorvery, but he just decided to install again on a larger disk
[11:38] <erUSUL> SplaZ: ouch! do not use caps please... also do not need to put !ask in front of your question... that triguress ubotu aur infobot ;)
[11:38] <kkathman> anyway - back to kubuntu :)
[11:38] <odai> hey I'm running feisty and I am not able to play realplayer files, I have tried running them in helixplayer and vlc...anyone have any ideas
[11:39] <Jowi> ward_, there is a recovery option in the grub boot menu in all versions. if he does not get a boot menu he must press ESC to see it.
[11:39] <blahdeblah> Hi.  Is there a 1 or 2 page PDF flyer available that would be suitable for promoting Ubuntu's benefits to the average home (non-Linux-literate) user?
[11:39] <Ray_at_UW> Kkatman: =P I wonder when we'll get the ability to right click and drag to create a shortcut like in Windows.
[11:39] <ward_> Jowi, aha nice to know,
[11:39] <Jowi> ward_, (that is before the OS boots)
[11:39] <Ray_at_UW> Kkatman: Personally I like doing it the "ln -s" wa.
[11:39] <gnuskool> jsg, did you hit spacebar on mic, or try micboost, apparently having the volume up on mic, dosent mean its enabled
[11:39] <erUSUL> SplaZ: do you have 3d acceleration enabled?
[11:39] <gnuskool> jsg, you an hear audio, is that so?
[11:39] <Jowi> ward_, I need to leave for now. getting late here. good luck.
[11:40] <ward_> Jowi, offcourse i have ubuntu myself, with grub, just never had the CLI version
[11:40] <ward_> Jowi, ok no problem
[11:40] <Jowi> np ward_
[11:40] <ward_> thanx for the help anyway
[11:40] <ward_> Jow
[11:41] <SuperLag> I don't see an /etc/inittab file on a standard Ubuntu install... how do you get a standard Ubuntu install to start in CLI mode?
[11:41] <Creed> SuperLag, apt-remove gnome and all of its components? :P
[11:42] <MagicFab> is anyone a ferquent latex use rhere ? What would be the minimum packages to install to get latex functionality in Ubuntu ?
[11:42] <ninjabooty> for some reason hanging out on opensource irc channels makes me want to work on stuff
[11:42] <SuperLag> Creed: surely it's not that drastic
[11:42] <Pici> !latex | MagicFab
[11:42] <ubotu> MagicFab: tex is a language for describing a document, commonly used especially for scientific publishing. Information and instructions for installing TeX and other related packages can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaTeX
[11:43] <Creed> SuperLag, you can simple remove/rename (disable) the boot scritps that start Gnome.
[11:43] <MagicFab> Pici, duh - tx :)
[11:43] <gnuskool> danielronin: are they on separate partitions or hard drives?
[11:43] <BoSJo> casio_: hybernate worked better than saved sessions, as hibernate saves and reopens ALL programs :-) session save dossent
[11:44] <danielronin> gnuskool: single drive, win on 2 partitions, feisty on 5, BT2 on 1
[11:44] <danielronin> of course, I can't boot BT2
[11:44] <Creed> SuperLag, check in /etc/init.d/ for the bootscript(s) and chmod them -x.
[11:44] <arooni__> how can i play .wmv files embedded in firefox?
[11:45] <arooni__> how can i play .wmv files embedded in firefox?
[11:45] <erUSUL> SplaZ: yes the problem is that you do not have 3d enabled some onboard graphics are capable of movinf certain games
[11:45] <arooni__> oops
[11:45] <arooni__> didnt mena to ask twice
[11:45] <r30> hello. what is the usual graphical formatting tool for gnome?
[11:45] <stdin> arooni__: you'll need the w32codecs package and the mozilla-mplayer package
[11:45] <r30> and has anyone here tried ntfs-progs?
[11:46] <arooni__> stdin, E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[11:46] <r30> stuff i copied earlier onto this drive is disappearing like crazy
[11:46] <arooni__> stdin, i have gutsy; is that the reason why?
[11:46] <stdin> arooni__: no, it's not in the normal repos, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[11:47] <cineva> thanks a lot guys (Pelo, Flamekebab, Bsims, ubotu, Jack_Sparrow, Doctor_Nick & others) for the help. ubuntu is now displaying my widescreen resolution
[11:47] <Creed> arooni_, enable restricted repos to get the codecs.
[11:47] <Doctor_Nick> CINEVA I LOVE YOU
[11:47] <Creed> Aww ubotu bot just got a fuzzy feeling inside heh
[11:47] <cineva> not unless you are gay
[11:47] <linux_stu> does ubuntu's package management system provide a method in which one can build the package from source?
[11:48] <stefg> !apt
[11:48] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:48] <brian_> what is used in compiz fusion that is similar to emerald in beryl?
[11:48] <stdin> !packaging | linux_stu
[11:48] <ubotu> linux_stu: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[11:48] <erUSUL> !nvidia | SplaZ
[11:48] <ubotu> SplaZ: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:48] <kkathman> brian_:  still emerald
[11:48] <brian_> ah
[11:49] <zoloka> hi
[11:49] <Creed> hi
[11:49] <brian_> so i uninsalled emerald for no reason :)
[11:49] <zoloka> vannak itt magyarok?
[11:49] <kkathman> brian_:  well you'd need to replace it with the compiz emerald stuff from that repository so no you did the right thing
[11:49] <Creed> eh i only speak english :(
[11:49] <brian_> ah
[11:49] <MitchM> Who knows of a slideshow program that can take a Directory of pictures and ... well; make a slideshow of it?
[11:49] <linux_stu> thanks stdin
[11:49] <zoloka> ok
[11:49] <scipio_> !hu | zoloka
[11:49] <ubotu> zoloka: Magyar nyelv segtsget az #ubuntu-hu csatornn tall
[11:50] <logan_> My prefered resolution isn't one of the options, how do I add it?
[11:50] <Creed> logan_, either manually edit xorg.con or reconfigure X to enable extra resolutions.
[11:50] <danielronin> gnuskool: if i paste my fdisk -l and menu.lst can you help me find out why BT2 is not booting?
[11:50] <logan_> How do I configure X?
[11:51] <gnuskool> danielronin: use pastebin
[11:51] <zoloka_> hi
[11:51] <kkathman> brian_:  you need to be following this how-to:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[11:51] <zoloka_> magyarok  vannak itt?
[11:51] <Creed> logan_, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I believe
[11:51] <brian_> thanks kkathman
[11:51] <gnuskool> !pastebin| danielronin
[11:51] <ubotu> danielronin: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:52] <kkathman> brian_:  your welcome - follow that exactly and you should be up and running before you know it
[11:52] <bobodclown> hey all, quick one: how do i find my gateway ip in ubuntu?
[11:52] <arooni__> stdin, ok i installed both of those; and now when i go to sites, i still see movie windows that go to grey
[11:52] <nich2chien_> hi
[11:52] <Creed> Why cant automatic installers be made for Fusion :( Much better to get people to switch if all they have to do is run an installer program.
[11:52] <MitchM> bobodclown, 'route'
[11:53] <bobodclown> MitchM: thx
[11:53] <MitchM> bobodclown, rgr - yw
[11:53] <PriceChild> Creed, fusion is alpha software and should not be a reason to get oeople to switch to ubuntu
[11:53] <stdin> arooni__: it's probably buffering
[11:53] <logan_> how do I get to xorg.conf?
[11:54] <danielronin> gnuskool: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36632/
[11:54] <Creed> lol Was just using Fusion as an example...Apple has it down with .app packages, why not ubuntu? (yeah I know about .deb's but theyre not available for stuff that will actually make people want to switch).
[11:54] <arooni__> stdin, do i need to resatrt
[11:54] <mantynel> JOIN
[11:54] <nich2chien_> logan_: locate xorg.conf
[11:54] <stdin> arooni__: shouldn't have to
[11:54] <Creed> logan_, it would be easier to reconfigure X as messing with xorg.conf is a last resort.
[11:54] <stdin> logan_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the location
[11:54] <kkathman> stdin:  ahh beat me to it :)
[11:54] <kkathman> heh
[11:55] <stefg> Creed: this is Linux, there are Linux way to do things... Linux is no OSX oe windows copycat
[11:55] <youknowme> I'me having overclocking problems with my GeForce 7300 using coolbits, the settings don't stick.
[11:55] <arooni__> stdin, i hear audio; but no video
[11:55] <logan_> I tried reconfiguring X and it froze
[11:55] <arooni__> stdin, also vlc segfaults when i try to pen .wmv files
[11:55] <newubuntuser> ive been looking without anyfinds of a lamp package, so i guess i need to download the individual packages. is this true?
[11:55] <stdin> arooni__: that's because some work, some don't, depends on the exact codec
[11:55] <logan_> Now when I try to get back into it, it says DbDriver "config" config.dat is locked by another process
[11:55] <Creed> stefg, Im not here to start a fight, Im just telling others about my view, if people dont wanna listen then dont, Im not forcing anyone to.
[11:56] <stdin> newubuntuser: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[11:56] <gnuskool> danielronin: were you given the 'initialize' option when setting up bt2 partition?
[11:56] <youknowme> I'me having overclocking problems with my GeForce 7300 using coolbits, the settings don't stick. Help?
[11:56] <kkathman> logan_:  did you try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:56] <Pici> youknowme: ##windows
[11:57] <danielronin> i set up an ext2 partition with qtpartd and changed it to ext3 with command, never encountered 'initialize' option
[11:57] <logan_> Yes, I tried that and it froze while I was doing it, and now I cant get back into it.
[11:57] <youknowme> Pici I'm not running windows
[11:57] <danielronin> actually, i think it might be the initrd that's messing it up
[11:57] <logan_> Isn't there a hotkey for restarting x
[11:57] <stefg> Creed: no fight intended... it's just that some concepts are so ingenius that they aren't comprehensible after 3 months of use. Ubuntu usses packages and a package manager. and for a reason
[11:57] <kkathman> logan_:  well ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:58] <stdin> logan_: yes, but it's not a "hotkey" and not a clean way to do it
[11:58] <Pici> youknowme: Hrm. I guess coolbits does exist for Linux, sorry.
[11:58] <youknowme> logan_, Crtl +Alt+ bcksp is one way to do it. I'm pretty sure at least.
[11:58] <MaxMtp> hello
[11:58] <gnuskool> If ubuntu had same money ans resources as Stece Jobs, things would be differet :D
[11:59] <MaxMtp> I m looking for some help on netgear WiFi card on ubuntu feisty fawn
[11:59] <radioaktivstorm> how do i reset my wireless configuration
[11:59] <codeshah> hey guys, I installed ubuntu on my new laptop off the alternate cd. Now it logs in, but 'failed to start X server...' I have an NVIDIA FX Quadro card ...
[11:59] <codeshah> what's the next steP?
[11:59] <youknowme> Pici, ya, could you help?
[11:59] <cineva> i have installed the linux version of avast antivirus but i can't find it's shortcut anywhere. and it's not running, i've checked in the System Monitor. How can i find it. I also installed VLC media player and the shortcut appearead under Application -> Sound & Video
[12:00] <Euphidime> I'm having a problem with my mouse, and it's driving me absolutely insane. I can use the scroll wheel to scroll up/down in windows, but I can't use it as a "middle click" when I press down on it. Any idea what would cause that?
[12:00] <MaxMtp> where can I find check system log for messages from 'loadndisdriver'
[12:00] <Pici> youknowme: I'm obviously not familiar with it, I dont think I could be of much help
[12:00] <kkathman> Euphidime:  what do you want that middle click to do?
[12:01] <kkathman> Euphidime:  mine defaults to "paste"
[12:01] <Euphidime> kkathman: The same thing it does in Win*, I suppose. Like, if I middle click tabs in Firefox it closes them. And if I middle click URLs it opens them in new tabs.
[12:01] <Euphidime> That's all I really used it for.
[12:01] <kkathman> Euphidime:  you may have to configure those specifically in the applications
[12:01] <Aminux> are there any good games for ubuntu?
[12:01] <danielronin> gnuskool: i just made a change to menu.lst, i removed the initrd line, and gave it the savedefault and boot options, gonna give it a go
[12:02] <elzbal> Euphidme: Middle-click is even more useful on Unix/Linux... if you hightlight something, it "copies", and middle-click will paste.  :)
[12:02] <Euphidime> elzbal: Not for me
[12:02] <Euphidime> It's just not registering the middle click at all
[12:02] <psiko_> for me copies
[12:02] <Euphidime> It does absolutely nothing
[12:02] <Aminux> !games
[12:03] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[12:03] <codeshah> hey guys, I installed ubuntu on my new laptop off the alternate cd. Now it logs in, but 'failed to start X server...' I have an NVIDIA FX Quadro card..... The error details say NV(0) : no display devices found
[12:04] <psiko_> here i click in the wheel
[12:04] <r30> im sorry probably missed a response. what is the graphical partition tool for gnome
[12:04] <r30> and has anyone tried ntfs-progs
[12:04] <BoSJo> Hi all. Is there some sort of program to capture signals/commands from keyboard?? Im using a Logitech MX3000 and would like to se if i can get it all working incl. mouse buttons


[13:02] <akgraner> pleia2, yep I'll be there for Linaro Connect and I am hoping all my stuff is so squared away I can attend a couple sessions from UDS :-)
[16:01] <pleia2> great :)