[06:37] <link> well i was hoping i could do it all on my own you know
[06:37] <Crane> what stuff
[06:37] <Crane> yea its not hard
[06:37] <link> server stuff
[06:38] <Crane> I did for a while but I have a cable modem and my IP didn't change
[06:38] <link> but yeah this is all new to me, the idea any way
[06:38] <link> yeah thats gunna be a problem for me.
[06:38] <Crane> ubuntu should have all the server stuff you need
[06:38] <link> really
[06:38] <link> cool
[06:38] <link> you dont think ill have to dl much
[06:39] <Crane> yea You probably need to use synaptic or apt to get it installed
[06:39] <Crane> depends on what you wanna do
[06:39] <link> ok that shouldnt be too bad
[06:39] <Maragato> Hail folks, what program can I use to open chm files?
[06:39] <link> how do you regester a domain once you have a static ip?
[06:39] <Crane> should be able to sudo apt-get install apache
[06:40] <link> its a program? apache
[06:40] <Crane> yes a web server
[06:40] <link> oh ill prolly need to do a lot of reading =o)
[06:40] <Zotnix> Hrm, Ubuntu has been generating lots of splashes. Listened to an interview of one of the developers. It's going places :D
[06:41] <Dreamer3> Zotnix: yeah, if only i could get my cd
[06:41] <Crane> there were some site you can register that monitor your IP and so your domain name will always  be set right
[06:41] <jdub> Zotnix: lugradio? listen to the one with mark the week before mine
[06:41] <Crane> yep linux=reading
[06:41] <Crane> lol
[06:41] <link> oh yeah i think i heard something like that
[06:42] <link> heheh fer sure
[06:42] <Zotnix> Yep
[06:42] <Crane> I believ it was tzo or something like that that monito IP changes for you
[06:42] <Zotnix> I listened to Jeff Waugh
[06:42] <link> it cost money you think?
[06:42] <link> tzo ill look
[06:42] <Crane> http://www.tzo.com/
[06:43] <jdub> Zotnix: listen to the one the week before
[06:43] <Crane> http://www.tzo.com/MainPageSupport/HowToPage/SOLUTIONS-PRIVATEDOMAIN.HTML
[06:43] <Zotnix> I heard that one too
[06:43] <jdub> ahr
[06:43] <jdub> Zotnix: so you came here because of those interviews?
[06:44] <Zotnix> Nope
[06:44] <mebaran> yo
[06:44] <jdub> oh
[06:44] <Zotnix> I've been using Ubuntu since November or so.
[06:44] <jdub> oh
[06:44] <Zotnix> I love it.
[06:44] <mebaran> I have always wondered why software always talks in first person
[06:44] <Zotnix> Best distro I've used thus far.
[06:44] <mebaran> it seems less than proffesional
[06:44] <mebaran> Zotnix: did you ever try the original debian
[06:46] <Zotnix> Yeah, I have.,
[06:46] <jdub> Zotnix: did you like the interviews?
[06:46] <Zotnix> For a bit, quite awhile back.
[06:46] <Zotnix> Sid
[06:46] <Zotnix> jdub, yep. It was interesting to hear them.
[06:46] <link> it sounds promising dont see anything bout pricing yet but yeah exactly that
[06:47] <Crane> http://www.dyndns.org/
[06:47] <Crane> this place will do it as well
[06:47] <Crane> I don't have much experience with this though
[06:47] <Crane> like I said, I just pay some one to host mine
[06:47] <Crane> I started using ubuntu about 1 1/2 months ago
[06:47] <Crane> Very nice
[06:47] <Crane> I love the people involved with it as well
[06:47] <Crane> only bit of advice I can think of is to remember thast all ports are closed on Ubuntu so you may have to open port 80 to run the web server
[06:47] <Crane> I believe there is some info on the forums about it
[06:48] <jdub> you just have to install a web server
[06:48] <jdub> none of the ports are closed, there's just nothing listening by default
[06:48] <Crane> jdub, oh OK thanks
[06:48] <link> ok nice
[06:48] <Crane> Does the install set up a public_html file in your home directory?
[06:49] <link> dont think so
[06:49] <mebaran> probably
[06:50] <mebaran> I wonder when they are going to fix Evolution for 64 bits
[06:50] <jdub> Dreamer3: it won't work usefully, but you can copy the images around
[06:50] <mebaran> I am getting antsy
[06:50] <Zotnix> I preferred the interview with Jeff Waugh anyhow. Prefer developer's view points in anycase.
[06:50] <jdub> 'them', 'fix'?
[06:50] <Dreamer3> mebaran: it's broken?
[06:50] <jdub> Zotnix: (i probably didn't make it clear - that's me)
[06:51] <mebaran> Dreamer3:Yep
[06:51] <mebaran> it is
[06:51] <mebaran> it wont start
[06:51] <mebaran> it keeps going "Floating point exception"
[06:51] <Crane> lol@Dreamer3
[06:51] <Crane> Good luck link, I'm off to bed. see you peeps here and on the forums as well
[06:51] <Zotnix> jdub, Ah.. hehe. Wouldn't expect you here. :-p.
[06:51] <Crane> Night all
[06:51] <jdub> Zotnix: why so? :)
[06:51] <link> g nite
[06:51] <mebaran> I really love evolution as it does everything so well for me
[06:51] <Zotnix> Haha! I was just reading an article from ./ and it just mentioned you.
[06:51] <link> this is gunna be fun
[06:51] <Zotnix> I would have caught o.
[06:51] <Zotnix> on*
[06:51] <jdub> erk
[06:52] <jdub> which?
[06:52] <randabis>  /.
[06:52] <randabis> :)
[06:52] <Zotnix> "Why Is The Ubuntu Hoary Beta Release A Milestone?"
[06:52] <Zotnix> Guy from geekybhodi.net
[06:53] <Zotnix> Oops
[06:53] <Zotnix> I did ./... :feels suddenly stupid:
[06:53] <mebaran> ./
[06:53] <mebaran> yes
[06:53] <mebaran> the other /.
[06:53] <Zotnix> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/1924240&tid=190&tid=90&tid=106
[06:53] <Zotnix> Article link there via slashdot
[06:54] <Zotnix> I was just moving files to ./   So the mistake is warranted this once :)
[06:55] <Orcrist> I just followed the instructions to make a pretty bootsplash screen, and all I get on boot is a message that says rivafb_pan_display start/end in an infinite loop
[06:55] <Orcrist> anyone else seen/had this same problem?
[06:55] <Orcrist> I'm running a riva TNT on a very old P2 system... I followed the instructions explicitly and changed only what the site told me to change
[06:56] <Orcrist> I'm 100% positive I compiled both frame buffer support and rivaTNT support into the new kernel, but nothing
[06:57] <Dreamer3_> interesting
[06:57] <whiprush> heh, man /. is really hitting the bottom of the barrel lately.
[06:57] <Orcrist> google only turns up one page with any relevant info, and it's bug tracking site for debian, with a followup that 'it's been fixed' from debian... but apparently it hasn't
[06:57] <jdub> hrm
[06:57] <jdub> tempting to reply with a more in-depth answer
[06:57] <jba> to what?
[06:58] <jdub> the slashdot article
[06:58] <jba> which one?
[06:58] <whiprush> don't bother imo.
[06:58] <Zotnix> Gnome is making big progress too.
[06:58] <jdub> whiprush: we can look down at slashdot, but it still has a large readership
[06:58] <tsm2004beta> Hello, uhm, I'm rather new to Ubuntu, and while trying to install Acrobat Reader, it says that I do not have permission to create the folder it wishes to install to... But only root has that authority and I don't know how to log into root or change my own authority.
[06:58] <Amaranth> i only read the comments when i'm bored though
[06:59] <Sam_> Hello. Can someone tell me what program runs before ubuntu boots for the first time, and it asks you, "Would you like to download new packages now?"
[06:59] <Amaranth> Sam_: update-notifier?
[06:59] <whiprush> jdub: yeah, I'm just saying, a link to the hoary goals shoul really do the trick.
[06:59] <Sam_> Alrighty
[06:59] <mebaran> Gnome is generally nicer than KDE
[06:59] <Zotnix> Not crazy about the update-notifier. It gets "stuck"
[06:59] <mebaran> partially because it feels lighter
[06:59] <mebaran> not so many tools
[06:59] <mebaran> I happen to like to drop into command line to get stuff done
[06:59] <randabis> tsm2004beta, use sudo
[06:59] <mebaran> it is quicker
[07:00] <whiprush> jdub: or maybe a point by point drilldown of each of the things on the hoarygoals list and why they matter.
[07:00] <tsm2004beta> Sudo?
[07:00] <whiprush> ie. "this is why replacing fam is good"
[07:00] <neom> go to the terminal and type "sudo -s"
[07:00] <randabis> yes, using sudo before a command gives your user root authority
[07:00] <neom> Why are you not using synapic though?
[07:00] <jdub> whiprush: more about the livecd
[07:01] <randabis> for example,
[07:01] <randabis> sudo mkdir /foo
[07:01] <neom> +t
[07:01] <randabis> it will ask you for a password
[07:01] <tsm2004beta> I just downloaded the installer... I didn't know it was on synapic.
[07:01] <randabis> it is your USER password
[07:01] <randabis> but yeah, it is already in the ubuntu packages
[07:01] <tsm2004beta> Ah
[07:01] <Amaranth> I don't get why the new Live CD is important either. :P
[07:01] <tsm2004beta> I'll check and see then..
[07:02] <Amaranth> Will hoary have a unified Live/Installer CD?
[07:02] <jdub> Amaranth: the DVD will have both on it
[07:02] <randabis> Know what would be cool?
[07:02] <Amaranth> yea, firefox froze
[07:02] <randabis> A UNIVERSE DVD :)
[07:02] <whiprush> bah, they always leave out utf8 support when mentioning hoary
[07:02] <jdub> Amaranth: you can't combine both sanely because one has installed packages and the other has the packages themselves
[07:02] <jba> tsm2004beta, there is a faq about sudo and the fact there is no root account on ubuntulinux.org
[07:02] <jdub> whiprush: because it's boring :)
[07:03] <jdub> jba: there is a root account, it's just disabled
[07:03] <heliolith> I just installed jhead, read man jhead, and am unsure of how to use it to -autorot (rotate) all images in a given directory... what's the general method for applying a program to the entire contents of a given directory?
[07:03] <Zotnix> Hrm... I would love to see a light graphical installer... if not at least a slightly more intuitive partioner.
[07:03] <whiprush> yeah but dude, 2 releases in it's still all about the plumbing.
[07:03] <jdub> randabis: too big. we'll have all of supported on a DVD
[07:03] <whiprush> and people are complaining about the color of the roof. @_@
[07:03] <jdub> Zotnix: on its way
[07:03] <randabis> Including restricted?
[07:03] <jdub> randabis: yes
[07:03] <Zotnix> Oooh.
[07:03] <Zotnix> Heh
[07:03] <randabis> :)
[07:03] <jdub> randabis: restricted is on the normal cd
[07:04] <randabis> hmm
[07:04] <FLeiXiuS> Zotnix: I light graphical installer wouldn't simply be Debian :-P
[07:04] <randabis> ndiswrapper utils isn't :p
[07:04] <FLeiXiuS> jdub: Hows it going..
[07:04] <randabis> that really should be on there for people trying to get their wifi setup
[07:04] <jdub> FLeiXiuS: might be worth pointing out that ubuntu is not debian...
[07:04] <Zotnix> Hehe, I think Ubuntu surpasses Debian just a bit. ;)
[07:05] <FLeiXiuS> jdub: Debian based..
[07:05] <heliolith> anyone know how to apply a given command to the entire contents of a given directory?
[07:05] <jdub> heliolith: depending on the command, <command> *
[07:05] <FLeiXiuS> Zotnix: true, but its structure i based solemly on debian, the pacakges are quite different
[07:05] <mebaran> Zotnix: It depends where
[07:05] <randabis> anyway, back to visualboyadvance :)
[07:05] <randabis> talk in a bit
[07:05] <mebaran> not quite as stable but it certianly is more coherent
[07:05] <heliolith> jdub oh ok that jogs my memory... you're not familiar with jhead are you? the exif utility for jpegs?
 -R * will usually go into the directories recursively, check the manpage for the specific command though
[07:06] <jdub> nup
[07:06] <Zotnix> I've used Debian. I thought it was slow with updating anything on the system. I was fine with stable  base components but updating regular apps (gaim, browsers, etc) was a pain.
[07:06] <Orcrist> I'm very happy with ubuntu thus far... and while people might want to whine about the 'non-milestoneness' of hoary's release, I think the fact that it's a brand-new distro heading into it's third dev cycle is milestone enough in the linux world anymore
[07:07] <Orcrist> getting over the sophomore slump alone is worth note
[07:07] <Amaranth> hey, what happens if Ubuntu is still around in the year 3004?
[07:07] <Amaranth> The versioning will be like Y2K all over again. :)
[07:08] <TheMuso> Who knows?
[07:08] <mebaran> Amaranth: We all get free beer
[07:08] <HrdwrBoB> Amaranth: we will all be long dead
[07:08] <FLeiXiuS> Amaranth: the world will be ended befoer the year 2020
[07:08] <Orcrist> wow, I didn't even know that my great-great-great...-great grandkids drank beer
[07:09] <mebaran> Orcrist: amazing what you learn on IRC?
[07:09] <Amaranth> FLeiXiuS: Nah, Bush won't be in office that long. *ducks*
[07:09] <whiprush> man, these native gnome dialogs in firefox are so sweet.
[07:09] <Orcrist> dear great^25 grandkids... here's your free beer from the year 2005... sorry its a little stale
[07:09] <FLeiXiuS> Amaranth: the way we naturally gain our resources is going to be a pain in the neck ... our production of C02 is going to anticipate a potential threat ojn global warth, so bad that they already have a globar warning about it..looking to hit within 7-8 years
[07:09] <heliolith> jdub that works, now I need to remember how to find a utility via backports that's not showing up in synaptic...
[07:09] <heliolith> it's called "jpegtran"
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> heliolith: jpegtools I think
[07:09] <mebaran> I just want Evolution to work
[07:09] <Zotnix> I've tried that.
[07:10] <heliolith> HrdwrBoB ty
[07:10] <Zotnix> Had to reboot my system because of Evolution.
[07:10] <Orcrist> Evolution has been flawless on my system
[07:10] <Orcrist> are you guys using hoary?
[07:10] <mebaran> anyone here on AMD64 Hoary
[07:10] <mebaran> AMD64 Hoary
[07:10] <Orcrist> ahhh
[07:10] <Orcrist> double-whammy
[07:10] <mebaran> which manes I am cut buggy
[07:10] <mebaran> yeah
[07:10] <Zotnix> Downloaded a picture to my HD, netstat (spawned by evolution) froze and that causes evolution to freeze. Killed it. It zombified :(... try to browse where I saved the picture, nautilus zombifies.
[07:10] <Amaranth> netstat zombifies often
[07:10] <Amaranth> :P
[07:11] <keyvan> what utility can i use to resize my partitions?
[07:11] <Zotnix> For now I'm sticking with thunderbird
[07:11] <mebaran> keyvan: two steps
[07:11] <mebaran> I need a contact app
[07:11] <Zotnix> I can't seem to find an option that allows me to see pictures in evolution inline automatically.
[07:11] <mebaran> any of you guy know a decent contact app
[07:11] <mebaran> just needs to do name address phone
[07:11] <dud> im on hoary amd64... btw
[07:11] <mebaran> and it needs to read vcards
[07:11] <keyvan> mebaran, two steps?
[07:12] <dr_willis> heh - use a PalmPilot emulator :P
[07:12] <mebaran> yeah
[07:12] <jdub> mebaran: evolution
[07:12] <mebaran> jdub: My Evolution wont work
[07:12] <Orcrist> why is it that I can't use ping, traceroute, etc...?
[07:12] <mebaran> it keeps either segfaulting
[07:12] <Amaranth> mebaran: Thunderbird?
[07:12] <whiprush> jdub: so are we hosed with regard to howl?
[07:12] <dr_willis> Orcrist,  su to root or use sudo
[07:12] <jdub> whiprush: kind of
[07:12] <whiprush> man
[07:12] <jdub> mebaran: on hoary?
[07:12] <mebaran> or Float Point Exception
[07:12] <mebaran> yep
[07:12] <mebaran> AMD64 Haory
[07:12] <mebaran> I needed Xorg
[07:12] <Orcrist> I need su privs to use those functions dr_willis?
[07:12] <mebaran> for my vid card to actually do anything
[07:12] <keyvan> what application can i use for resizing my partitions?
[07:13] <mebaran> what filesyste keyvan?
[07:13] <Zotnix> Doesn't work here on i386 on hoary ;)
[07:13] <Orcrist> strange that they put them on a default desktop (the little nettools suite in gnome)
[07:13] <jdub> mebaran: welcome to the development branch!
[07:13] <Zotnix> It works for most things.
[07:13] <keyvan> mebaran, reiserfs
[07:13] <dr_willis> Orcrist,  - try it and see.. :P if so - yes. :P  those are common commands taht are 'locked' down for root only
[07:13] <mebaran> hmmm
[07:13] <mebaran> jdub: Development is where you break things right? :)
[07:13] <Zotnix> So once Hoary is released... I just do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, no? Then I'm running stable.
[07:14] <Zotnix> Then I see how long before I run the next unstable release :-p
[07:14] <jdub> mebaran: break and fix, break and fix
[07:14] <whiprush> mebaran: some of the net tools ask for your root password, even though they should be asking for your sudo password. Your sudo password should work.
[07:14] <Orcrist> I guess I could always gksudo the network tools app
[07:14] <Orcrist> strange it's not already done that way though
[07:14] <whiprush> Zotnix: ideally, yes.
[07:15] <jdub> Orcrist: network-admin? it already is
[07:15] <Zotnix> I don't use network-admin
[07:15] <stuNNed> heh
[07:15] <Zotnix> It eats my /etc/network/interfaces fil
[07:15] <Zotnix> e
[07:16] <Zotnix> I had to rewrite it from scratch a few times.
[07:16] <olimar> Hi all, I updated my Ubuntu distro but the boot manager in the gnome menus disappeared
[07:16] <olimar> I have now a full grub menu and can't start my windows partitions anymore
[07:16] <olimar> please any help?
[07:16] <olimar> does anyone know the gnome system tools's boot window command?
[07:16] <jdub> olimar: it's not supported (it was in hoary earlier as a packaging regression)
[07:17] <olimar> O_O
[07:17] <jdub> olimar: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:17] <olimar> puh
[07:17] <goldfish> sorry for the n00b question, first time using linux, anyone know where the gnome themes folder is?
[07:17] <olimar> but I feel such a tool is really handy
[07:17] <Zotnix> I think .themes in your home folder
[07:17] <goldfish> thanks
[07:18] <olimar> you can add and change your installed OSs and the majority always have two
[07:18] <Orcrist> what's the cmd-line command for traceroute?
[07:19] <olimar> ok opened the menu-lst
[07:19] <olimar> BUT the windows partition DISAPPEARED O_O
[07:19] <Dreamer3_> olimar: great! things are already improcing
[07:20] <Dreamer3_> improving
[07:20] <Dreamer3_> :)
[07:20] <olimar> how can I start windows at all? It seems the updated overwrote the old file
[07:20] <olimar> myn I have to go to work with this notebook or I'll get fired
[07:20] <whiprush> olimar: your entry for windows should look something like this: http://www.redhat.com/advice/tips/dualboot.html
[07:20] <olimar> how can I tell my Boss I don't have a windows partition with all the data ?!
[07:20] <Dreamer3_> olimar: you'll have to add it back... should i even mention restoring from a backup?
[07:20] <Dreamer3_> olimar: maybe not play around on work pcs? ;-)
[07:20] <Guardiann> :)
[07:21] <Dreamer3_> well, time to call a friend
[07:21] <Dreamer3_> toodles
[07:21] <olimar> maybe make no buggy software ???
[07:21] <froust> What is the easiest way to set up alsa?
[07:21] <olimar> that's a KILLER bug
[07:22] <whiprush> olimar: you running hoary?
[07:22] <Orcrist> strange, but it only does that with traceroute
[07:22] <olimar> yes I am
[07:22] <whiprush> kinda comes with the territory
[07:22] <whiprush> if you need something that doesn't break, stick with warty.
[07:22] <olimar> are there any possibilities to restart grub config?
[07:23] <olimar> maybe a deb tool?
[07:23] <Orcrist> lol no traceroute installed!
[07:23] <whiprush> olimar: that page I linked you to has an example windows entry for your menu.lst.
[07:23] <olimar> yeah I'll not upgrade anymore ...
[07:23] <supergear> ubuntu seems good
[07:23] <olimar> but it doesn't look like the linux ones in the menu-lsdt
[07:23] <olimar> menu.lst
[07:23] <supergear> even tho i am running it on vmware
[07:23] <olimar> and it is for RH, is this ok ?
[07:24] <whiprush> the example for a windows boot thing should be fine
[07:24] <whiprush> sec, lemme ask someone
[07:25] <olimar> and is hd0 ok?
[07:25] <olimar> I doubt it was hd0 on my Notebook but I am not sure
[07:25] <whiprush> it needs to point to where your windows partition is
[07:26] <whiprush> ugh, I'm not sure and I don't want to give you bad information.
[07:27] <FLeiXiuS> whiprush: if windows was install first windows tends to hang on the hd1
[07:27] <dud> windows needs to be on hd0,0
[07:27] <whiprush> if worse comes to worse and your boss is about to kill you you can stick in your XP disc and do a /fixmbr from the rescue mode
[07:27] <dud> window has to have the first partition on the first drive, or else it wont work
[07:27] <olimar> well I'll try...
[07:27] <olimar> ok I'll do a reboot
[07:27] <FLeiXiuS> dud: it works on other partitions..
[07:28] <whiprush> olimar: wait
[07:28] <whiprush> man ...
[07:28] <goldfish> lol
[07:28] <dud> heh, if we dont see him again, we know what went wrong hehe
[07:28] <Orcrist> ever since I installed (and subsequently uninstalled) imwheel, I've noticed my mouse double clicks without me telling it too about half the time... anyone else had this same problem?
[07:30] <zenrox> Orcrist,  dont use imwheel
[07:30] <Orcrist> why not zenrox?
[07:30] <zenrox> xfree shuld all ready use the wheel
[07:30] <stuNNed> imwheel is deprecated no?
[07:31] <Orcrist> it wasn't hte wheel, it was the 5 buttons
[07:31] <Orcrist> well any idea what it might have tainted?  I already searched through my x86 config and no clues there
[07:31] <Zotnix> I used it for a 7 button mouse
[07:31] <Zotnix> Which I have now.
[07:31] <gregday> X has a hard limit of 5 configurable buttons...  left, right, middle, wheelup, wheeldown, and then you're done.
[07:31] <Zotnix> Just hadn't done anything with it
[07:32] <zenrox> imwheel takes over the wheel and causes probs
[07:33] <Orcrist> well since I've uninstalled, this same problem persists
[07:33] <Orcrist> even after cold reboots
[07:33] <Orcrist> I think the only thing I haven't tried is a reboot to the recovery kernel
[07:33] <zenrox> mouse wont work thare any way
[07:33] <Orcrist> is there anywhere else I might look for clues as to whether its still affecting my mouse or if maybe I just have a hardware prob?
[07:33] <zenrox> recovery= root terminal
[07:34] <zenrox> Orcrist,  maby gnome mouse settings
[07:34] <Orcrist> yes, but you can regularly boot it using a clean kernel
[07:34] <Orcrist> I wouldn't think imwheel taints kernels but who knows
[07:34] <zenrox> gnome can be programed to use other mouse buttons
[07:34] <Orcrist> not a whole lot of options in there zenrox... and I've been through them all
[07:34] <zenrox> and keys too
[07:34] <zenrox> check the keyboard
[07:35] <zenrox> config
[07:35] <Orcrist> it's really annoying with searching through synaptic... it'll mark for installation... or I join a game server twice and launch 2 quakes... that one's really fun
[07:35] <Orcrist> let me look there zen
[07:35] <zenrox> ya Orcrist  i bet
[07:35] <zenrox> that one is fun
[07:36] <zenrox> i want my wireless mouse and kb combo back but its being used on my PS2
[07:38] <olimar> No it didn't work!
[07:38] <Orcrist> still nothing...
[07:38] <Frctl> Hey all! im a windows user and i know a little windows programming, but im pretty new to linux...i messed around with FreeBSD a couple years ago, but gave up. is ubuntu a good place to start?
[07:39] <zenrox> Frctl,  yes
[07:39] <stuNNed> Frctl: as good as any, pretty easy to use from teh start.
[07:39] <zenrox> easy install
[07:39] <stuNNed> Frctl: and guarantees to always be free software ;)
[07:39] <zenrox> if you can under stad what goes on
[07:39] <Frctl> warty-install-i386.iso is the latest stable, right?
[07:40] <stuNNed> yes
[07:40] <zenrox> yes
[07:40] <zenrox> i use hoary
[07:40] <Orcrist> yes Frctl... has some big advantages (in my opinion) over the other classic newbie distros like mandrake
[07:41] <stuNNed> does mdk even ship dbus/hal yet?
[07:41] <Frctl> thanks
[07:42] <zenrox> stuNNed,  nope
[07:42] <Frctl> One of my goals is to get it running on one of my PC's with a Linksys wireless USB adaptor.  none of the live cd's seem to see it. any advice?
[07:43] <stuNNed> only reason for me to use hoary at this point is for galeon, warty has alot of new stuffs in it already
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> which is /the/ software for low level raw partition table access and modification ?
[07:43] <stuNNed> imho
[07:43] <MM2> is someone familiar with cinerella?
[07:43] <stuNNed> da_bon_bon: fdisk ?
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> stuNNed: no, i want to change hdc2 to 1
[07:44] <zenrox> da_bon_bon, fdisk
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: no i want to change hdc2 to 1
[07:44] <zenrox> you gots to del the partion
[07:44] <zenrox> and redo it
[07:44] <zenrox> to get hdc1
[07:45] <zenrox> you cant jsut rename it
[07:45] <stuNNed> zenrox: parted might be able to do it, there is qtparted frontend.
[07:45] <zenrox> ya
[07:45] <zenrox> hes right
[07:45] <zenrox> qtparted is nice
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> qtparted has screwed up my part. table sooo many times.
[07:47] <Frctl> thx all
[07:47] <Frctl> later
[07:48] <stuNNed> da_bon_bon: what type partition has it screwed up?
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> stuNNed: the table itself - the part. numbers are non-contiuguous - start from hdc2
[07:54] <kakalto> what's a good c compiler?
[07:54] <kakalto> I need to install one
[07:55] <TheMuso> Ubuntu comes with gcc.
[07:55] <zenrox> and a few others that are very nice
[07:55] <mebaran> is ther anyway
[07:55] <mebaran> that one could some how make a repo
[07:55] <mebaran> that could have stable ports for Hoary
[07:55] <zenrox> mebaran,  how so
[07:56] <mebaran> kind of like backports but in reverse
[07:56] <mebaran> like a lot of stuff for AMD64 is very broken
[07:56] <zenrox> me its ubuntu-backports.sf.net
[07:56] <TheMuso> Hoary is unstable. How would stable ports help?
[07:56] <kakalto> zenrox, but...
[07:56] <mebaran> well for really broken apps
[07:56] <mebaran> like Evoultion
[07:56] <mebaran> on AMD64 it wont start
[07:56] <mebaran> at all
[07:56] <kakalto> when installing a program which requires compiling, it checks some place, and hasn't found a valid compiler
[07:56] <mebaran> segfault or float error
[07:56] <mebaran> oh
[07:56] <jdub> don't use backports
[07:56] <jdub> they just screw things up
[07:57] <mebaran> apt-get install build-essential
[07:57] <zenrox> kakalto,  it dont install it as a default set up
[07:57] <mebaran> I hope they fix Evolution soon
[07:57] <jdub> either help test the devel branch or live comfortably on the stable release
[07:57] <jdub> mebaran: 'they', you keep saying this word
[07:57] <mebaran> well I had a problem in stable
[07:57] <kakalto> zenrox, then how do I get it to work?
[07:57] <mebaran> as Xfree refused to work
[07:57] <zenrox> kakalto,  what mebaran  said is what you do it get it
[07:57] <kakalto> you mean apt-get install build-essential?
[07:58] <mebaran> yep
[07:58] <zenrox> ya with a sudo infrount
[07:58] <mebaran> easy as pie
[07:58] <mebaran> oh yes
[07:58] <kakalto> kewl
[07:58] <mebaran> the obligatory sudo
[07:58] <zenrox> yep
[07:58] <mebaran> sorry jdub
[07:58] <kakalto> btw, how big is the download?
[07:58] <zenrox> not very
[07:58] <mebaran> oh like a couple megs
[07:58] <mebaran> I think is like 5
[07:58] <zenrox> 6-7megs
[07:58] <mebaran> yeah
[07:58] <mebaran> that sounds about right
[07:58] <mebaran> not to huge
[07:58] <kakalto> kewl
[07:58] <zenrox> nope
[07:58] <kakalto> *sigh of relief*
[07:58] <mebaran> jdub: sorry if I use they in a silly manner
[07:59] <mebaran> they as in the developers
[07:59] <mebaran> I dont know enough C to do anything
[07:59] <mebaran> ;0)
[07:59] <mebaran> sorry
[07:59] <mebaran> ;)
[07:59] <mebaran> there we go
[07:59] <zenrox> lol now if you want the dev libs for all your progarms that yor going to compile agenst to get a certion program to work
[07:59] <mebaran> yeah
[07:59] <mebaran> make sure to dll the dev packages
[08:00] <zenrox> then it will get huge
[08:00] <mebaran> yep
[08:00] <jdub> mebaran: have you commented on or reported a bug?
[08:00] <mebaran> esp if you need like gtk2.0-dev
[08:00] <mebaran> yeap
[08:00] <zenrox> 100-200megs depending what you have install
[08:00] <mebaran> twice
[08:00] <mebaran> alot of AMD64'ers have the problem
[08:00] <mebaran> so it aint jsut me
[08:00] <stuNNed> mebaran: but numbers?
[08:00] <mebaran> hmm
[08:00] <stuNNed> mebaran: bug numbers, sorry
[08:00] <mebaran> I wouldnt know off the top of my head
[08:00] <mebaran> let me look it up
[08:02] <mebaran> damn page takes forever
[08:02] <zenrox> lol
[08:10] <dud> talk about ber split
[08:10] <dud> rather wikked
[08:10] <bzbb> holy netsplit, batman
[08:12] <brandoo> Ok - Another thing :) Anyone here used Fedora ?
[08:12] <muhahahaha> hi
[08:12] <muhahahaha> i can acces mldonkey in my pc via  http://<IP_ADDRESS>:4080/ how can access it from another pc?
[08:13] <wezzer> I don't if that is possible
[08:13] <wezzer> but try changing the ip address
[08:14] <mebaran151> ok
[08:14] <mebaran151> it is bug numbers 5870 and bug 5649
[08:14] <mebaran151> I experienced both
[08:15] <dud> bleh... nvidia-settings only work on xfree86, and not xorg it seems....
[08:16] <dud> i really fscking need a nice application to adjust my gamma...
[08:17] <steve__> I have a printer issue, and I am wondering if anyone can help me out
[08:17] <kzm> Hi all
[08:17] <steve__> my message says Paused: Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=LPDTESTLD": No such device
[08:18] <kzm> I just switched from gentoo to ubuntu, but now I have some problems.
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> kzm: shoot
[08:18] <kzm> Well - I installed from warty, then changed the sources.list to refer to hoary
[08:19] <kzm> ...then dist-upgrade'd, which broke horribly.
[08:19] <Dreamer3> did i miss anything
[08:19] <steve__> does anyone know that printer message means and how I can fix it
[08:19] <bob2> kzm: to the unstable pre-alpha version of ubuntu?
[08:19] <bob2> shock ;)
[08:19] <kzm> But I removed and reinstalled, and now I have at least ubuntu-desktop installed, and there doesn't seem to be anything missing
[08:19] <Dreamer3> kzm: no way, hoary isn't 100% perfect yet? :)
[08:20] <kzm> OKay, perhaps it's a bit more experimental than I thought.  Shoulda known
[08:20] <kzm> :-)
[08:20] <kzm> (Because the warty live CD worked pretty well when my disk had crashed)
[08:20] <billyanachronism> im having a problem installing ubuntu.. warty.. whatever it was that was sent first
[08:20] <billyanachronism> it installs and gets to initrd-tools and dies
[08:20] <kzm> But perhaps it's possible to resolve my issues anyway
[08:21] <billyanachronism> it says.. from console 3 that its already installed
[08:21] <billyanachronism> and also that there are some unmet dependancies
[08:21] <billyanachronism> is this a common error?
[08:21] <steve__> again, can anyone help with my printer issues
[08:21] <billyanachronism> anyone know what I should do?
[08:21] <kzm> 1. the X server (or Gnome?) hangs for some time at irregular intervals.  Around a second or so, where the mouse pointer doesn't move.  I use the nv driver (not nvidia), so perhaps it is inefficient?
[08:22] <dud> sooo.... has anyone gotten the nvidia-settings package to work on hoary amd64?
[08:22] <billyanachronism> this is so ridiculous.. I haven't ever been able to install ubuntu
[08:22] <mebaran151> Ok
[08:22] <mebaran151> I found the bug number as 5870
[08:22] <billyanachronism> it just doesn't work.. on multiple computers
[08:22] <mebaran151> Evolution crashing when dataserver is launched
[08:22] <mebaran151> with a float error
[08:23] <kzm> billy: I had a problem with the computer locking up -- I think it was solved by using "noapic" etc as kernel params on boot
[08:23] <billyanachronism> is there a howto or FAQ for the warty cd install?
[08:23] <billyanachronism> kzm, it doesn't lock up.. it just stuffs up when it gets to initrd-tools installation
[08:23] <stuNNed> billyanachronism: /topic ?
[08:24] <billyanachronism> stuNNed, ty
[08:24] <kzm> "stuffs" up?
[08:24] <billyanachronism> error
[08:24] <billyanachronism> says initrd-tools is already installed .. or something
[08:24] <billyanachronism> I'll have to retry install
[08:25] <billyanachronism> give me a second
[08:25] <kzm> Very strange, imho.  But I'm no expert - I was trying to figure out some issues with my own ubuntu install...
[08:25] <billyanachronism> but in order for me to do that I have to redo the install to format the disk because once its got files on there it won't install over it again
[08:27] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I'm attempting to build gossip cvs and I get this error during the configure script:
[08:27] <ficusplanet> checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXext... no
[08:27] <ficusplanet> checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXss... yes
[08:27] <ficusplanet> configure: error: Couldn't find XScreenSaver extension.
[08:27] <kzm> I guess warty is the recommended distro ,then?  Is it possible to downgrade, or must I reinstall?
[08:27] <ficusplanet> What do I need to install to circumvent this?  (I'm using hoary)
[08:34] <randabis> netsplit
[08:34] <jirwin> sure looks like
[08:35] <jirwin> real quick, could anyone tell me why stuff I put in .bashprofile (adding to PATH) isn't working?
[08:37] <heliolith> does anyone have a utility to auto-rotate jpegs with embedded exif-orientation info?  or a way to do that they prefer?  I can't DL jpegtools b/c of a dependency issue
[08:38] <dud> argh, i really really need to get nvidia-settings running so that i can adjust my gamma here... its killing me hehe
[08:39] <Dreamer3> heliolith: with imagemagick not do that?
[08:39] <dud> heliolith, afaik RawView is a sweet application which can read EXIF information
[08:39] <Lathiat> heliolith: look at the package called 'exiftran'
[08:39] <dud> at least for crw files, and most likely for jpeg
[08:39] <heliolith> wow
[08:39] <heliolith> thanks all 3 of you
[08:39] <Lathiat> heliolith: preserves the exif data and updates it too
[08:39] <dud> but how about this crapassed nvidia problem of mine...
[08:40] <Amaranth> dud: This is why I stick to the open source ATI driver. :)
[08:40] <dud> Amaranth, that driver really wont do much good on an nvidia card...
[08:40] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> Amaranth, does the OS ati driver give you nice 3d acceleration?
[08:40] <Dreamer3> dud: lol
[08:41] <Amaranth> timlinux_zzzzzzz: Depends on what card you have.
[08:41] <linux-rulz> hey, this isn't really a ubuntu question, i am more here to maybe help answer them, but anyways, i use chatzilla, and now it logs me in without asking for my username on other networks i use sometimes, how do i change my username?
[08:41] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> erm.....
[08:41] <Amaranth> It does up to the Radeon 9250, iirc
[08:41] <linux-rulz> ah, never mind, found it
[08:41] <Amaranth> If you're running Ubuntu and have a supported card it should have been setup on its own.
[08:41] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]  (rev 01)
[08:42] <dud> stracing it just gives lots of garbage
[08:42] <Amaranth> timlinux_zzzzzzz: Did you install the ATI driver from ATI or just left what Ubuntu setup for you?
[08:42] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know what I would have to install to get gossip to see that I have xscreensaver.  It says "checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXext... no"
[08:42] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> Amaranth, It may have been but ubuntu didnt install any 3d / opengl apps afaict
[08:42] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]  (rev 01)
[08:42] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> sorry for double post :-(
[08:42] <dud> ficusplanet, prolly xscreensavers dev package...
[08:42] <Amaranth> timlinux_zzzzzzz: check out glxinfo and see if you have 'Direct Rendering: Yes'
[08:43] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> I'm trigger happy on my keyboard today :-(
[08:43] <Amaranth> I think that's what it says.
[08:43] <ficusplanet> dud, There is not xscreensaver dev package.
[08:43] <dud> "glxinfo |grep direct" should do it
[08:43] <dud> ficusplanet, hmm
[08:44] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> direct rendering: Yes
[08:44] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> Ill grab a copy of bzone and give it a go
[08:45] <Amaranth> You're probably enjoying the goodness that is the open-source DRI driver then. :)
[08:45] <CreeVal> God day
[08:46] <CreeVal> When i try to change the resolution on my Ubuntu install(Warty) i get this error message: "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."
[08:47] <CreeVal> Any ideas? (have installed the fglrx module and its working just fine...)
[08:47] <ron_> ok how do i put a new program in my ubuntu start menu
[08:47] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> Amaranth, goodie goodie goodie....I am just crossgrading to ubuntu from suse and have been missing out on 3d because xorg doenst do 3d ati yet afaik
[08:47] <ron_> ok how do i put a new program in my ubuntu start menu
[08:48] <Amaranth> timlinux_zzzzzzz: It has for awhile now, if you have that card. :)
[08:48] <ron_> anyone know?
[08:48] <Amaranth> ron_: I remember it was a PITA when I tried to find out and that I gave up. :P
[08:48] <ron_> what?
[08:49] <randabis> ron_, are you running warty or hoary?
[08:49] <ron_> warty
[08:49] <randabis> okay
[08:49] <randabis> to add stuff to the applications menu, type nautilus applications:/// in a terminal
[08:49] <randabis> it will open your menu
[08:49] <randabis> then you can right-click, and select Add Launcher
[08:50] <randabis> you "should" be able to figure it out from there :)
[08:50] <Amaranth> randabis: Not in hoary. :P
[08:50] <randabis> Amaranth, that's why I asked him which version he was running
[08:50] <Amaranth> I know, just saying it isn't that easy in hoary.
[08:51] <randabis> Yep, it's a pain atm
[08:51] <randabis> Much easier in XFCE though :)
[08:52] <randabis> I've been gnome-free about a week now
[08:52] <randabis> well, gnome is there, it's just gathering dust
[08:53] <stuNNed> hi, warty is like sid snapshot at time of development, what is it compared to with debian?  like "sarge" ?
[08:53] <rubenv> kinda, but way better
[08:53] <fabbione> warty is a stable release
[08:54] <stuNNed> yes but
[08:54] <randabis> stuNNed, if you mean like stable vs unstable, I'd say Woody
[08:54] <fabbione> hoary is betweend sid and sarge
[08:54] <stuNNed> hoary is between sid and sarge? ah ok
[08:54] <randabis> hoary has surpassed sid for the most part
[08:54] <randabis> xorg, etc
[08:54] <stuNNed> so if i want to grab galeon when it enters sarge or get it from sid?  (i think the former)
[08:55] <randabis> within ubuntu?
[08:55] <stuNNed> randabis: ok then, so it is alot different, to a degree :)
[08:55] <stuNNed> randabis: yes, it's not avail, only in hoary.
[08:55] <randabis> ah, didn't realize that...I've been using galeon for a little while now. I like it better than firefox
[08:56] <stuNNed> me too really
[08:56] <randabis> as far as "where" to get it...I really don't know...I suppose you could try the sarge one
[08:56] <HrdwrBoB> galeon is in universe
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> I beleive
[08:57] <stuNNed> not in warty.
[08:57] <stuNNed> randabis: according to #galeon on irc.gnome.org it should be ported to sarge soon enough :)
[08:57] <randabis> well I run hoary anyway so it's not a big deal
[08:58] <stuNNed> randabis: do you sync often?
[08:58] <randabis> the sid one might work in warty, I really don't know...I don't think jdong backported that often either
[08:58] <randabis> stuNNed, daily
[08:58] <randabis> sometimes more than once depending on what's released (I'm on the mailing list)
[08:59] <stuNNed> randabis: which mailing list?
[08:59] <randabis> hoary-changes
[08:59] <stuNNed> k
[08:59] <stuNNed> thanks will subscribe
[08:59] <bob2> haha
[08:59] <bob2> you really don't need to be on ubuntu-changes
[09:00] <bob2> all the info there is in the package changelogs anyway
[09:00] <bob2> (Except for who uploaded it)
[09:00] <randabis> I like to have it in my mailbox for quick reference
[09:00] <stuNNed> randabis: how much mail per day lol?
[09:00] <bob2> sure, so do I, but it's not that useful
[09:00] <bob2> stuNNed: ~40 maybe
[09:01] <stuNNed> lol
[09:01] <randabis> lately it's been less
[09:01] <stuNNed> btw this windows admin here likes ubuntu
[09:01] <randabis> cool
[09:02] <bob2> stuNNed: a better idea is apt-listchanges
[09:02] <stuNNed> bob2: okie
[09:02] <mdrjr> does anyone here knows what packages are for C functions manual pages?
[09:02] <bob2> mdrjr: manpages-dev
[09:03] <mdrjr> bob2, thank you.
[09:03] <goldfish> How do I get xmms?
[09:03] <mdrjr> goldfish, sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:04] <goldfish> mdrjr: hrmm... That doesn't seem to work for me.
[09:04] <bob2> goldfish: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:04] <goldfish> kk
[09:05] <steve__> can anyone help me with a printer issue
[09:06] <steve__> hey ficus what is up
[09:07] <ficusplanet> hey steve
[09:07] <ficusplanet> nothing much
[09:07] <steve__> I have a pritner issue
[09:07] <stuNNed> bob2: like randabis would prefer emails sorry
[09:07] <steve__> printer
[09:07] <steve__> can you help
[09:07] <stuNNed> bob2: web based and all...more convenient imho
[09:07] <ficusplanet> What's the problem?
[09:08] <steve__> i get  a crazy message when I print
[09:08] <steve__> it is Paused: Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=LPDTESTLD": No such device
[09:08] <steve__> I configured it, I thought
[09:09] <pvh> What's the best wireless frontend to use? Kismet? KWifiManager? Wavemon? WMWave?
[09:09] <stuNNed> wireless frontend for what?
[09:09] <ficusplanet> Did it automatically detect your printer or did you try to manually do it?
[09:09] <steve__> auto, but then it made me choose one
[09:09] <steve__> kind of confusing
[09:09] <ficusplanet> pvh, netapplet or NetworkManager.  I prefer networkmanager but it is hard to set up.
[09:09] <pvh> stuNNed: Signal strength, joining networks, etc.
[09:09] <bob2> stuNNed: huh?
[09:10] <pvh> ficusplanet: How hard?
[09:10] <bob2> and networkmanager is buggy as hell
[09:10] <stuNNed> pvh: kismet i would think, until something like networkmanager is in stable or something.
[09:10] <ficusplanet> pvh, Well, I checked out cvs and applied a patch and then I was ready for hoary.
[09:10] <stuNNed> bob2: would prefer hoary-changes email is all.
[09:10] <bob2> er, kismet is not a wireless frontend
[09:10] <pvh> ficusplanet: My laptop is my low-danger-zone.
[09:10] <bob2> stuNNed: apt-listchanges has nothing to do with anything "web based".  it displays new changelog entries to you when you install packages.
[09:11] <bob2> pvh: netapplet is in hoary (universe) and not too buggy
[09:11] <steve__> any ideas ficus
[09:11] <pvh> bob2: I'll give it a go.
[09:11] <Amaranth> bob2: It isn't just in thom's repository anymore?
[09:11] <stuNNed> bob2: before the install of packages or after?
[09:11] <stuNNed> bob2: so it's automatic?
[09:11] <stuNNed> bob2: with apt-get?
[09:14] <pvh> bob2: Is there lid sensor stuff in hoary?
[09:15] <linux-rulz> is there any third party repositories for ubuntu warty that receive security updates (cause universe doesnt)
[09:15] <linux-rulz> ?
[09:16] <steve__> ficus, still the same. i will have to get with my partner tomorrow and have him diagnose this one
[09:17] <linux-rulz> steve__: what is wrong?
[09:17] <steve__> my printer is all jacked up
[09:17] <flodin> what does it mean when aptitude tells me packages are "held back"?
[09:17] <ficusplanet> steve__, good luck.  sorry i can't be of any help on this one.
[09:17] <steve__> it comes out with the message Paused: Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=LPDTESTLD": No such device
[09:17] <linux-rulz> flodin: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:18] <pvh> Is there a Hoary Laptop site?
[09:18] <flodin> linux-rulz: what does that do?
[09:18] <linux-rulz> flodin: instead of a normal upgrade
[09:18] <linux-rulz> it prevents packages from being held back
[09:18] <[Batch] > good morning !!
[09:18] <linux-rulz> steve__: what kind of printer?
[09:18] <flodin> linux-rulz: well do i want them to be held back? I don't even know what it means or why they are held back
[09:18] <steve__> hp 3322
[09:19] <linux-rulz> flodin: which ones are being held back....things such as the kernel are sometimes held back because people don't always want to upgrade them
[09:19] <linux-rulz> steve__: did you check linuxprinting.org
[09:19] <flodin> okay. So this is some kind of manual option? Who flags them as held back, me?
[09:19] <steve__> yeah, it says the driver installed was the right one
[09:20] <steve__> it is almost like the driver is not installed in the right directory or something
[09:20] <linux-rulz> flodin: yes, i believe you can, but the ubuntu team also flags some that people often don't want upgraded all the time
[09:20] <linux-rulz> flodin: use synaptic and see which ones are being held back
[09:21] <flodin> linux-rulz: i can see that using aptitude
[09:21] <steve__> did you see the error message I posted
[09:21] <linux-rulz> flodin: which ones are being held back?
[09:21] <linux-rulz> steve__: i dont think i was in this room yet
[09:22] <steve__> ok, hold one
[09:22] <linux-rulz> k
[09:22] <flodin> libasound, libfaad, libavcodec, libdv4, libpostproc, ...
[09:22] <steve__> Paused: Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=LPDTESTLD": No such device
[09:22] <linux-rulz> flodin: just do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it will download the updates
[09:22] <flodin> i chose "mark upgradable" in aptitude now, which made it upgrade them
[09:22] <steve__> linux-rulz, there ya go
[09:23] <linux-rulz> steve__: i have never seen that before......was it working before on ubuntu or any other linux distro?
[09:23] <steve__> this is the first time i used it
[09:23] <linux-rulz> steve__: ubuntu or linux?
[09:23] <steve__> ubuntu
[09:23] <steve__> I used it before on mandrake
[09:24] <linux-rulz> thats strange....you could try uninstalling cups and compiling it from source...although that could mess something up
[09:24] <billyanachronism> hey, I have an obscure error in the install
[09:24] <linux-rulz> billy: what is it?
[09:24] <billyanachronism> just after it says.. choosing what kernel to instal
[09:24] <billyanachronism> using the warty install cd
[09:24] <billyanachronism> it says initrd-tools is already at its newest version
[09:24] <billyanachronism> then it lists a number of packages that are its unmet dependancies but that they aren't going to be installed
[09:24] <billyanachronism> and then E: unmet dependancies
[09:25] <billyanachronism> I was browsing through the forums and another guy was having the same error on the exact same processor as me..
[09:25] <linux-rulz> steve__: does hp officially support there printers on linux?
[09:25] <billyanachronism> but his solution seemed non-sensical and not really related
[09:25] <linux-rulz> billy: what processor?
[09:25] <billyanachronism> AMDk6-500
[09:25] <steve__> this driver is their generic release
[09:26] <linux-rulz> steve__: you could try contacting hp
[09:26] <steve__> maybe I will do that
[09:26] <steve__> thanks man
[09:26] <billyanachronism> he eventually got it installed.. but it required him filling the harddrive with 000s and then fixing the heatsink+fan properly onto the cpu
[09:26] <linux-rulz> billy: is that the processor that supposedly had lots of bugs...i know a few years AMD released a buggy processor
[09:26] <bob2> stuNNed: before, yes and automatically displays new changelog entries to you
[09:26] <billyanachronism> uhm ok
[09:26] <linux-rulz> steve__: no problem
[09:27] <bob2> Amaranth: yeah, but apparently pretty buggy
[09:27] <billyanachronism> linux-rulz, thats an extremely obscure bug
[09:27] <bob2> pvh: and warty, yes
[09:27] <linux-rulz> steve__: you could try contacting the cups or the ubuntu teams too
[09:27] <bob2> pvh: assuming you mean acpi
[09:27] <steve__> I will definately do both
[09:27] <stuNNed> bob2: so just 'apt-get install package' and automagically displays changelog before and during the process?
[09:28] <linux-rulz> billy: im not sure what else to recommend...never heard of anything like that before
[09:28] <linux-rulz> as far as i know ubuntu is compiled for i386, so there shouldnt be any problem there
[09:28] <bob2> stuNNed: yup
[09:28] <billyanachronism> its quite irritating.. the install basically finished too
[09:28] <bob2> stuNNed: and with aptitude, but not synaptic
[09:29] <stuNNed> bob2: wowza.
[09:29] <linux-rulz> billy: try apt-get check and then open synaptic and see if there is any broken packages
[09:29] <billyanachronism> linux-rulz, I tried that
[09:29] <bob2> yeah, very handy
[09:29] <billyanachronism> I'll do it again
[09:29] <billyanachronism> I think i have to run /target/usr/bin/apt-get
[09:30] <billyanachronism> linux-rulz, I get a library error when trying to run apt-get
[09:30] <billyanachronism> libapt-pkg-libc6 i think
[09:30] <linux-rulz> hmmm....im not sure....have you tried debian to see if it works?
[09:30] <stuNNed> bob2: ok i just 'apt-get install bzflag' and no changelog
[09:30] <linux-rulz> try downloading that package from ubuntu's servers and then install it using dpkg
[09:30] <bob2> stuNNed: did you have it installed before?
[09:31] <stuNNed> bob2: just installed it.
[09:31] <bob2> then it won't show anything
[09:31] <bob2> since every entry is new
[09:31] <stuNNed> ah ok then
[09:33] <bob2> oh
[09:34] <bob2> sorry for the disinformation
[09:35] <stuNNed> mvo_: thanks
[09:35] <GammaRay> what? rumsfeld is that you?
[09:35] <stuNNed> bob2: think it's worth it to upgrade to hoary so can get galeon? :\
[09:35] <thoreauputic> question re ppc warty: I have dual boot and mac osx in /etc/fstab - is it safe to write to the os x partition?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> iBook G4 , ppc version of warty of course
[09:36] <bob2> thoreauputic: hfs, yes, ufs, no
[09:36] <bob2> hfs+, I don't know
[09:36] <bob2> stuNNed: not for me, but I don't use galeon anyway
[09:37] <stuNNed> bob2: k
[09:37] <bob2> if you ccan deal with things breaking sometimes, then go for it
[09:37] <thoreauputic> bob2: aha, thanks - it's hfsplus so I guess it's fine :)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> bob2: I tried copying a .png over and nothing broke, so I'm hopeful
[09:38] <dsl1165> anyone no anything about freenx?
[09:38] <linux-rulz> thoreauputic: try rebooting in os x now
[09:38] <steve__> linux-rulz, I went to get the file from hp, and i went to compile it, but it says i do not have a c compiler. what apt-tet file do I need then
[09:39] <bob2> thoreauputic: hrm, ok, be careful...
[09:39] <linux-rulz> apt-get install gcc g++
[09:39] <thoreauputic> linux-rulz: alrewady have and it wasn't broken :)
[09:39] <bob2> no
[09:39] <bob2> steve__: install 'build-essential'
[09:39] <bob2> gcc by itself can't even compile 'hello world'
[09:39] <steve__> thanks
[09:39] <steve__> cool bob
[09:40] <dsl1165> was going to be my suggestion. might also grab module-assistant because it will set up your /src symlinks
[09:40] <dsl1165> module-assistant prepare, iirc
[09:40] <flodin> anyone know of an rss aggregator that can handle https and http redirects? I want to use gmail's rss feed for mail
[09:40] <linux-rulz> steve__: what file did you get from hp?
[09:40] <dsl1165> So, no gurus to help me with my nomachine woes?
[09:41] <bob2> dsl1165: you don't seem to have asked a question about it
[09:41] <dsl1165> well, installed freenx, got it working but it seems to completely ignore theming and icons under gnome.
[09:42] <dsl1165> any ideas on how to tweak it into playing nicer aside from saying "switch to kde"? :-)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> dsl1165: my nxclient works fine in i386 but not in ppc - beyond thatb I don't know much
[09:42] <dsl1165> it works fine, it just gives me the default theme on the remote session and half my icons are broken
[09:42] <dsl1165> so "works" yes, but a little glitchy.
[09:43] <dsl1165> fast as hell though.
[09:43] <dsl1165> so, I was hoping someone might know of a fix.
[09:43] <bob2> that's bizarre
[09:43] <thoreauputic> dsl1165: I haven't seen a big advantage over just using ssh -X here, but I'm only trying it on local network
[09:43] <bob2> I thought it was well above the toolkit level
[09:43] <dsl1165> it really makes a difference over slower links.
[09:44] <dsl1165> bob, so did I, from what I read. seems like it is ignoring the human theme though.
[09:44] <dsl1165> I've used it over wireless, from an old and busted p133. works like a champ.
[09:44] <thoreauputic> dsl1165: yes, amazing - i did try the "demo" over dialup, and even kde was usble (barely)
[09:45] <dsl1165> I'd just like to crack why it isn't using the correct icon/theme/etc info under ubuntu
[09:45] <thoreauputic> slow, but amazing it worked at all
[09:45] <dsl1165> actually, across a wireless link through a firewall it's almost as fast as being there for me.
[09:45] <dsl1165> best part is it playing over ssh
[09:45] <Emanuelez> hello *
[09:45] <dsl1165> can tunnel it like a fiend. ;-)
[09:46] <Emanuelez> what's new? :)
[09:46] <dare2dreamer> freaking damnsmalllinux.
[09:46] <thoreauputic> dsl1165: yes. I haven't had much joy trying vnc - it is much slower
[09:47] <dare2dreamer> oh, vnc pushes bitmaps of your screen around, very heavy. even compressing the ssh tunnels, my vnc sessions were awful unless I was on my lan
[09:47] <dare2dreamer> used to log in, xrandr to a lower resolution and connect to vino before I found nx. it doesn't give you display :0, but damn it's fast.
[09:48] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: yep. btw, damnsmall is very clever, but I wouldn't want to live there, if you know what I mean ;)
[09:48] <dare2dreamer> sorry about the nic mixup, was working on a borrowed rig.
[09:48] <dare2dreamer> yeah, but gets a p100 upright and useable as a surf station.
[09:48] <dare2dreamer> I use it to connect to the ubuntu beast in the next room.
[09:48] <thoreauputic> indeed- usefulit is :)
[09:48] <crypticreign> hmm, this "smb mount" icon wont delete off my desktop
[09:49] <dare2dreamer> oh yeah, got two old laptops screaming on it.
[09:49] <crypticreign> even tho nothing is mounted
[09:49] <thoreauputic> right click, umount?
[09:49] <crypticreign> nope
[09:49] <dare2dreamer> restart fam?
[09:49] <dare2dreamer> or has that become an old joke now...
[09:49] <crypticreign> that did nothinig
[09:50] <dare2dreamer> damn thing is in a constant state of breaking things for me. damn near ripped it out, but I didn't like the idea of refreshing my nautilus windows manually.
[09:50] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: heh- rename the icon ;)
[09:50] <crypticreign> i cant :)
[09:50] <dare2dreamer> restart X?
[09:50] <crypticreign> done that :)
[09:51] <crypticreign> oh woah.. its just dissapeared
[09:51] <crypticreign> wierd
[09:51] <dare2dreamer> hey, it's always my LAST idea.
[09:51] <dare2dreamer> sometimes samba shares need a few minutes to go inactive. at least on the win side.
[09:51] <dare2dreamer> they time out
[09:51] <dare2dreamer> seen that here with the gf's xp rig
[09:52] <crypticreign> ah, this is samba connecting to a linux box
[09:52] <dare2dreamer> never found a need to nfs...found shfsmount early on
[09:52] <crypticreign> froma  linux box
[09:52] <dare2dreamer> ew, black voodoo I say
[09:53] <dare2dreamer> so bob2, you said you had nomachine/freenx running on your rig?
[09:53] <bob2> I don't think I ever said that.
[09:53] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: actually I can use ssh with nautilus instead - works OK although kde's fish with konqueror is better IMO
[09:53] <bob2> (no, I don't)
[09:54] <dare2dreamer> sorry, got confused.
[09:54] <dare2dreamer> thore, only beef I have with that is I can't seem to log onto anything with nautilus that has an @ or an # in the username
[09:54] <dare2dreamer> my webhost authenticated with usernames like user@host.
[09:55] <rubenv> dare2dreamer: your webhost shouldn't be doing that
[09:55] <dare2dreamer> tried it as user#host, but no love. works locally though. of course shfsmount let's me play with stuff like its local.
[09:55] <thoreauputic> ah, good to know, thanks
[09:55] <dare2dreamer> rubenv, why not?
[09:55] <rubenv> because it's against the RFCs
[09:55] <dare2dreamer> it's a shared host. seen it before. chroot iirc.
[09:56] <dare2dreamer> seen a lot of it, three hosts now. pain in the tail, but he's a good host.
[09:56] <rubenv> a username shouldn't have an @ :)
[09:56] <dare2dreamer> you use an # as a substitute in logins
[09:56] <dare2dreamer> problem is, ssh honors it but nautilus doesn't.
[09:56] <dare2dreamer> just sits there, looking for love.
[09:57] <dare2dreamer> tried escaping it too, no dice.
[09:57] <dare2dreamer> user#host@host is a bitch to type on the line all the time. :-)
[09:57] <dare2dreamer> for ssh.
[09:58] <dare2dreamer> I kind of enjoy having things mounted to the filesystem as opposed to vfs though, can actually work with the files in question.
[09:58] <dare2dreamer> that "can see 'em but not hit 'em" thing nautilus does gets on my nerves.
[09:59] <dare2dreamer> oh, totally unrelated point to share, naim is the second worst irc client I've ever touched.
[10:01] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: OK I'll bite- whiach is the worst? ;)
[10:02] <dare2dreamer> lol. parachat. web-based thing, used java and irc, but restricted the servers such that you couldn't use any client but their pos java toy.
[10:03] <dare2dreamer> a website I frequented for a while used it before they found a contender that was equally bad...some flash garbage that made my eyes water to look at it
[10:04] <thoreauputic> hehe - I hate java stuff on the web - but then on dialup it's just painfully slow...
[10:04] <dare2dreamer> they told me, when I offered to host a chat server for free, that "we paid for this one so we could modify it" I just giggled and killed my membersip.
[10:04] <dare2dreamer> ouch. dial. I remember those days.
[10:04] <dare2dreamer> hey, I wonder what's worse, dialup or really bad 802.11b.
[10:04] <dare2dreamer> hey I ain't newskool, I upgraded.
[10:04] <thoreauputic> ;)
[10:05] <dare2dreamer> ok, you kicked it old skool.
[10:06] <Xyverz> good morning.
[10:06] <thoreauputic> hehe... my laptop is way more powerful than the mainframe they had back then...
[10:06] <dare2dreamer> a buddy of mine's dad has the best oldskool geek story. he and a few guys snuck into their work a number of years ago to steal some time on a photo-etcher...to make floppy drive controllers.
[10:06] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:07] <dare2dreamer> 8 inchers bay-bee.
[10:07] <aethyr> hi all, I did a warty install, and then afterwards changed my apt.sources to hoary, and did the whole "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" business
[10:07] <aethyr> however, it never changed over to xorg (it didn't even install xorg-server)
[10:07] <dare2dreamer> I told him, my friend and everyone in the room that I was handing over my madskillz hat
[10:07] <aethyr> is this normal? I thought xorg came with hoary?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> aethyr: doesn't sound right, no
[10:08] <dare2dreamer> hm. if you did it from within X, it might have not overwritten it because it was in use.
[10:08] <Xyverz> looks like mine is migrating now
[10:08] <Xyverz> I guess I should kill gdm, huh?
[10:08] <aethyr> err... well, now when I do apt-get dist-upgrade, it doesn't want to change anything :P
[10:09] <dare2dreamer> I do that serious crap from init 1.
[10:09] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: hmm.... thatb didn't happen when I upgraded xfree86 in debian a few months back
[10:09] <Xyverz> aethyr: you have universe (and maybe multiverse) in your sources?
[10:09] <aethyr> no
[10:10] <aethyr> I don't think I should have to though
[10:10] <Xyverz> dare2dreamer: heh.  can't do anything that requires networking from init1 unless you start your network manually.
[10:10] <aethyr> what determines how that switch gets made?
[10:10] <dare2dreamer> and this is an issue why?
[10:10] <Xyverz> aethyr: I'm just guessing, as well
[10:10] <aethyr> I don't quite understand apt :P   I use gentoo, there I know why stuff gets updated
[10:10] <dare2dreamer> ;-)
[10:10] <aethyr> the whole "apt-get dist-upgrade" seems vague and mysterous
[10:10] <dare2dreamer> no one understands apt, it's more of a worship thing.
[10:10] <Xyverz> dare2dreamer: one would assume network is needed for apt-get
[10:10] <Xyverz> ;)
[10:11] <dare2dreamer> oh bitch bitch. ;-)
[10:11] <Xyverz> hehehe
[10:11] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: well, why not just do everything with patch cords and vacuum tubes ;) ?
[10:11] <dare2dreamer>  /etc/init.d/networking restart && /etc/init.d/piss off ;-)
[10:11] <aethyr> well I guess a better way to rephrase it is, under what conditious would "apt-get dist-upgrade" want to install xserver-xorg ?
[10:11] <Xyverz> *sigh*
[10:11] <aethyr> I mean I know I can manually do "apt-get install xserver-xorg" but that takes away the point of apt-get dist-upgrade :P
[10:12] <Xyverz> oh hey!
[10:12] <Xyverz> there's my AIM buddy list
[10:12] <Xyverz> YAY
[10:12] <dare2dreamer> if I understand it, upgrade pulls in new packages with no additional packages and dist-upgrade is more like emerge world where it gets everything new.
[10:12] <Xyverz> jeez... 31% and still 35 minutes left do DL all packages.
[10:12] <dare2dreamer> of course I speak gentoo with an accent.
[10:13] <aethyr> yea, but what tells it to get xserver-xorg ?
[10:13] <dare2dreamer> so what's the running opinion, migrate to hoary or clean install? I'm old debian thinking, but I'm wary with all the stories I've been hearing.
[10:13] <Xyverz> upgrade will upgrade to the newest versions of installed packages.  dist-upgrade upgrades everything including all deps, I tihnk.
[10:13] <dare2dreamer> ubuntu-desktop metapackage I bet, aethyr....seems to track everything else.
[10:14] <Xyverz> dare2dreamer: I have no experience with ubuntu and upgrading.  this is my first try.  last time I did anything with ubuntu was on a previous install... I tried to install kde and farked everything up. heh.
[10:14] <aethyr> i.e. in gentoo it would be because either a) a package which is already installed wants xorg installed or b) xserver is marked deprecated and they change the virtuals to point to xorg
[10:14] <aethyr> dare2dreamer, I'll check there, thanks :)
[10:15] <dare2dreamer> np. I think it's both in this case, aethyr, because it is a fork. new version number and new "official" package.
[10:16] <Xyverz> oh sweet.  hoary's got gimp2.2
[10:16] <Xyverz> not that I'm good with gimp, but still... ;)
[10:16] <dare2dreamer> it's slickness. so, what are the gotchas on a warty-to-hoary upgrade?
[10:16] <FAST>  :(
[10:17] <dud> gimp 2.2 is so frikkin faster and much better than previously gimps
[10:17] <aethyr> dare2dreamer, it appears "apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop" will work. I'm going to kill X and try that, bbiab
[10:17] <dud> its amazing
[10:17] <dare2dreamer> aethyr, I actually knew something...yay me
[10:17] <FAST> i have X problems again :(...         has something to do with the nvidia drivers.     cant get the GUI login screen,   gives me the "no screens found" error message again. anyone else have problems with the nvidia drivers?
[10:18] <dare2dreamer> nope, mine work solid here. upgrade or new install?
[10:18] <Xyverz> FAST: did it work for you with the nv drivers?
[10:19] <FAST> i think i installed the drivers yesterday, but never restarted until tonight.   now i have problems :(
[10:19] <FAST> dare2dreamer, i must have installed them from apt-get
[10:19] <FAST> or something
[10:19] <dare2dreamer> if you kernel upgraded, you might need to get the new restricted module.
[10:20] <Xyverz> FAST: modprobe nvidia
[10:20] <FAST> i did kernel upgrade..... got a 686 batch
[10:20] <Xyverz> FAST: did you do the opengl-update nvidia ?
[10:20] <FAST> i dont think so
[10:20] <dare2dreamer> opengl-update?
[10:21] <Xyverz> I had problems until I did that
[10:21] <FAST> what do i do
[10:21] <dare2dreamer> thought it was nvidia-glx-enable or somesuch. what does the opengl-update do?
[10:21] <FAST> i did run  nvidia-glx-update in console, tried startx, no luck
[10:21] <FAST> er, enable
[10:22] <dare2dreamer> restart gdm and see if it flies?
[10:22] <FAST> whats the command to restart
[10:22] <FAST> gdm, that is
[10:22] <Xyverz> FAST: did you run nvidia-glx-config ?
[10:23] <FAST> dont think so
[10:23] <Xyverz> FAST: I'm still using the stock kernel though.
[10:23] <dare2dreamer> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:23] <thoreauputic> FAST: just sudo gdmI think
[10:23] <Xyverz> did 'apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings' then 'nvidia-glx-update' and restart x
[10:24] <dare2dreamer> I always call it from the script, because the restart will cleanly kill off any stragglers too
[10:24] <Xyverz> jesus.  I've now snagged almost 600 packages and it's to only 56%
[10:24] <Xyverz> wow
[10:24] <Xyverz> that's a lot for a dist-upgrade.
[10:24] <dare2dreamer> big update.
[10:24] <Xyverz> no kidding
[10:25] <dare2dreamer> I need to do one, but I'm holding off till after the weekend. got work to do
[10:25] <Xyverz> heh.  this is the spare disk in my Gentoo box
[10:25] <Xyverz> so I'm just futzing.
[10:25] <dare2dreamer> I'm still timid about going hoary.
[10:25] <FAST> any other suggestions if these dont work?        pain in the ass to have to keep rebooting and trying :\
[10:26] <Xyverz> well, it's not like this is my main install on that box.
[10:26] <Xyverz> so I'm not really all that concerned.
[10:26] <dare2dreamer> gotcha.
[10:26] <Xyverz> FAST: you try modprobing the nvidia module and restarting X?
[10:26] <Xyverz> FAST: is the module loaded?
[10:26] <dare2dreamer> ok, it's official, nx is a mystery. google returned my forum-posted questions on the subject.
[10:26] <FAST> nope, let me try that as well
[10:26] <Xyverz> FAST: you might also want to check all your settings for the card and disable everything that's not necessary in the config.
[10:26] <FAST> just  'modprobe nvidia' ?
[10:26] <Xyverz> should work.
[10:27] <Xyverz> FAST: if you installed the driver package from nvidia, you'll need to load the module upon reboot
[10:27] <Xyverz> you can write a script for that.
[10:27] <FAST> well, everything was working fine beforehand, i htink just the nvidia drivers installation cause problems.
[10:27] <Xyverz> or add it to your conf.modules
[10:27] <FAST> ok
[10:28] <dare2dreamer>  /etc/modules
[10:28] <aethyr> ok, last question for the evening
[10:28] <dare2dreamer> shoot
[10:28] <FAST> also, one more thing.  in case theyve been removed (might have been), what command can i run to  install all the nvidia packages
[10:28] <Xyverz> I just did apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[10:28] <Xyverz> dunno which other packages provide.
[10:28] <dare2dreamer> mine never got uninstalled.
[10:29] <FAST> ok
[10:29] <aethyr> what's the "ubuntu way" to setup xorg?  I tried dpkg-reconfigure, but it doesn't get me the right default-resolution (I want 1280x1024 it's giving me 1024x768).  I know how to edit xorg.conf, but I'm trying to figure out the proper way to do it with this distribution.
[10:29] <aethyr> also, when I first installed ubuntu, all it asked me was what res I wanted, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg asks a ton of questions :P
[10:30] <dare2dreamer> I just tweaked mine by hand and got on with it. I think the ubuntu way is largely weighted on results.
[10:30] <thoreauputic> aethyr: you did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:30] <aethyr> thoreauputic, yup
[10:30] <thoreauputic> k
[10:30] <Xyverz> aethyr: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:30] <Xyverz> ;)
[10:30] <aethyr> ok, so there's no "best way"
[10:30] <Kishu> hi
[10:30] <aethyr> I'll just do it by hand
[10:30] <Xyverz> aethyr: I have no idea, actually
[10:30] <thoreauputic> if you edit by hand, dpkg-reconfigure ceases to work
[10:31] <Kishu> can someone help me with the error when u get trying to dual boot with windows xp
[10:31] <dare2dreamer> we can try
[10:31] <thoreauputic> the file has a dire warning about it ;)
[10:31] <Kishu> "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" this is my error
[10:31] <dare2dreamer> aethr, you should be able to dpkg-reconfigure it.
[10:31] <Xyverz> thoreauputic: really?  I just change options around.  nothing major
[10:31] <dare2dreamer> same here.
[10:31] <FAST> well..... here it goes.
[10:31] <Xyverz> Kishu: what was the last command you did?
[10:31] <aethyr> thoreauputic, do you know why it would ask about 20x more questions using dpkg-reconfigure than it does during installation?
[10:31] <Kishu> i installed ubuntu
[10:32] <Xyverz> Kishu: are you getting that when you run grub or on reboot?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> aethyr: different priority setting
[10:32] <dare2dreamer> aethyr, probably because its reconfiguring without the benefit of autodetection
[10:32] <Kishu> Xyverz when i try to boot xp
[10:32] <aethyr> hm, seems shifty, ok, bbiab
[10:32] <thoreauputic> you can do dpkg-reconfigure -plow for example
[10:33] <dare2dreamer> plow?
[10:33] <martyr> Kishu: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[10:33] <dare2dreamer> sounds...invasive.
[10:33] <Xyverz> Kishu: ugh.  hmmm
[10:33] <thoreauputic> prority low i guess
[10:33] <dare2dreamer> anything that wan't to plow me gets a higher priority in my humble estimation.
[10:33] <Xyverz> Kishu: no idea on my end.  but it sounds like grub didn't install nicely.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: heh - yes some commands are weird ;)
[10:34] <kzm> hi again.
[10:34] <Kishu> thanks martyr
[10:34] <dare2dreamer> indeed. my gf asked me the other day if this ubuntu thing was based on "deviant" linux.
[10:34] <Kishu> let me check that ljnk
[10:34] <jamin_l> hey guys... i'm a noob at the term command line stuff... is there a way to batch rename files?
[10:34] <kzm> Reinstalled to warty; let's see if it is better behaved than hoary
[10:34] <dare2dreamer> rename is a ood place to start
[10:34] <jamin_l> batch?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: classic!
[10:34] <kzm> jamin_l: what exactly did you want to do?
[10:34] <dare2dreamer> man rename, uses regex'es
[10:34] <dare2dreamer> thore, she's grand like that
[10:34] <jamin_l> i have a whole bunch of files that are named xxxx.mp3.OK
[10:35] <jamin_l> and i want to strip the .OK from them
[10:35] <Zindar> jamin: type this
[10:35] <eyequeue> man basename
[10:35] <Zindar> jamin: for f in *.mpg.OK; do mv $f ${f/.OK/}; done
[10:35] <thoreauputic> "Deviant Linux - for the man who wants all the options "
[10:35] <dare2dreamer> rename 's/OK//g' *
[10:35] <Zindar> ahh
[10:35] <Zindar> *.mp3.OK that should be
[10:36] <dare2dreamer> zindar, that dot is going to screw you.
[10:36] <dare2dreamer> .OK
[10:36] <Zindar> dare: why?
[10:36] <dare2dreamer> regex. better quote it
[10:36] <dare2dreamer> otherwise it wildcards to any character, iirc
[10:36] <Zindar> : [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; ls -ltr *.mp3.OK
[10:36] <Zindar> -rw-r--r--    1 bagfors  bagfors         0 2005-02-03 10:36 apa.mp3.OK
[10:36] <Zindar> : [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; for f in *.mp3.OK; do mv $f ${f/.OK}; done
[10:37] <Zindar> : [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; ls -ltr *.mp3
[10:37] <Zindar> -rw-r--r--    1 bagfors  bagfors         0 2005-02-03 10:36 apa.mp3
[10:37] <jamin_l> ack how do you get out of man?
[10:37] <Zindar> works fine
[10:37] <Zindar> jamin:q
[10:37] <dare2dreamer> q
[10:37] <Xyverz> Deviant Linux, huh?
[10:37] <|ALLANON|> hi, how can i do the backup of the file of configutation of xorg?
[10:37] <jamin_l> okay good cuz the Esc wasn't doing anything :)
[10:37] <eyequeue> Zindar:  fwiw, that's a 0-byte file
[10:37] <dare2dreamer> ok, I'll shut my "gee I once wiped a bunch of files" trap.
[10:37] <|ALLANON|> heeelp
[10:37] <d3vic3> hmmm, my apt-get fails
[10:37] <Zindar> eye: I know.. just created it with "touch" to prove my point :)
[10:37] <thoreauputic> jamin_l: or a sex-change op...
[10:38] <d3vic3> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:38] <Xyverz> dare2dreamer: did you do the rm -rf ./* before as well?
[10:38] <aethyr> oh well, I edited it by hand, ok time for bed
[10:38] <d3vic3> how do I fix that ?
[10:38] <Xyverz> actually, I think it was the rm -rf .* that fucked the system up.
[10:38] <aethyr> thanks again all
[10:38] <jamin_l> thoreauputic: i'm quite happy n my gender thanks
[10:38] <Xyverz> 'cuz the .* removed everything starting with .
[10:38] <Xyverz> heh
[10:38] <thoreauputic> jamin_l: heh -me too ;)
[10:38] <kzm> I have one problem with warty, that worked under hoary...
[10:38] <dare2dreamer> no, but I did sudo chmod -R -x .* once, and only one.
[10:38] <Xyverz> g'nite aethyr
[10:39] <mdrjr> 690 upgraded, 142 newly installed, 18 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:39] <mdrjr> Need to get 462MB of archives.
[10:39] <mdrjr> hhe nice..
[10:39] <Zindar> dare: dot matches dot... so that's not a problem unless he has files that matches "mp3[^\.] OK$"
[10:39] <kzm> ...namely that I want to remap Alt-Tab to Win-Tab (since Alt is useful for apps, while Win is otherwise ignored)
[10:39] <jamin_l> although i actually do have a friend who is a transsexual going to do the sex change
[10:39] <dare2dreamer> kzm, xmodmap?
[10:39] <Sav> My sound is really low, i have all volumes set on max, but still my sound is very low. Any ideas?
[10:39] <kzm> But it doesn't quite work -- it pretends to change windows, but focus is still left with the old window, not changed to the new one
[10:39] <thoreauputic> jamin_l: pity he/she can't just type q :/
[10:39] <jamin_l> Sav: same here
[10:40] <kzm> dare2: xmodmap?  This is the 21st century, you know! :-)
[10:40] <Sav> jamesh, it sux =(
[10:40] <dare2dreamer> hey, color me old skool. I'll be in the corner with thoreau talking floppies.
[10:40] <kzm> dare2: the interface to keyboard shortcuts is actually pretty damned neat
[10:40] <kzm> if you pardon my french here
[10:40] <jamin_l> dare: what colour is old school these days
[10:41] <Xyverz> Mmmm, floppies.
[10:41] <liquidboy> how do i list all the mounted partitions?
[10:41] <liquidboy> or mounted disks?
[10:41] <Xyverz> thoreauputic: SSDD?
[10:41] <dare2dreamer> I know, I'm just annoyed that I had to learn gconftool to change my wallpaper.
[10:41] <Xyverz> or SSSD?
[10:41] <mdrjr> liquidboy, mount or df
[10:41] <eyequeue> liquidboy:  mount
[10:41] <dare2dreamer> mount, df, cat /etc/mtab
[10:41] <mdrjr> mount will show mounted partitions and df will show you mounted partitions used space.. free space.. total space..
[10:41] <mdrjr> you can also use df -h
[10:41] <thoreauputic> afk , back soon
[10:42] <mdrjr> will make things easier
[10:42] <dare2dreamer> -h (humane readable.);-)
[10:42] <liquidboy> i tried mounting a reiser partition and i got this: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5,
[10:42] <liquidboy>        or too many mounted file systems
[10:42] <mdrjr> dare2dreamer, thank you! hehe that what was missing.
[10:42] <liquidboy> no other disks are mounted
[10:43] <aethyr> er I lied, one last question, is there a way (with dpkg or something) that you can see what packages depend on a given package?
[10:43] <FAST> didn't work :(            "modprobe nvidia" gave "module not found"           i did     "apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings" , tried again, still no module, couldnt start x,
[10:43] <dare2dreamer> you can view that in synaptic.
[10:43] <FAST> and   nvidia-glx-config wasn't found
[10:43] <rubenv> FAST: install the restricted modules package
[10:43] <thoreauputic> aethyr: apt-get depends
[10:43] <FAST> rubenv, how do i do that?
[10:43] <dare2dreamer> or that
[10:43] <eyequeue> aethyr:  apt-cache rdepends ?
[10:43] <rubenv> it's in the restricted repository
[10:43] <jamin_l> basename * [OK]  -- gives me too many args
[10:44] <FAST> i think ive added that repository already,      what command do i run ?
[10:44] <rubenv> are you on hoary or warty?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> oops apt-cache depends
[10:44] <jamin_l> can someone give me a sample of how this damned thing works?
[10:44] <FAST> warty
[10:44] <aethyr> thoreauputic, apt-get depends isn't a real command ;)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> aethyr: indeed
[10:44] <rubenv> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<arch>
[10:44] <aethyr> nor is rdepends
[10:44] <rubenv> replace <arch> by i686 or i386 depending on what kernel you have
[10:45] <FAST> i686
[10:45] <rubenv> and do it with sudo ;)
[10:45] <FAST> ok
[10:45] <kzm> Anybody have problems with Wlan (old hermes/orinoco card, used to work perfectly)?  It probes and shows up in iwconfig, but doesn't manage to connect to AP.
[10:45] <rubenv> after that, you'll be able to modprobe for nvidia
[10:45] <FAST> and in case i havent got that repository, what should i run to add it ?
[10:45] <FAST> ok
[10:45] <thoreauputic> aethyr: apt-cache depends "foo" works
[10:45] <eyequeue> aethyr:  apt-cache rdepends works fine here
[10:45] <aethyr> whoops, I screwed up
[10:46] <aethyr> you're right, it works
[10:46] <aethyr> I did apt-get rdepends
[10:46] <aethyr> thanks
[10:46] <aethyr> :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: interesting - what bis the difference from just "depends" ?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> *is
[10:46] <rubenv> rdepends is reverse afaik
[10:46] <jamin_l> how the frell does basename work?
[10:46] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  yours doesn't give what he wants :)
[10:46] <FAST> rubenv: and in case i havent got that restricted repository, what should i run to add it ?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> aha
[10:47] <rubenv> FAST: the extra repository is named restricted
[10:47] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  yours tells what packages foo needs, not what packages need foo
[10:47] <rubenv> just add it at the end of your deb line that contains main
[10:47] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: ah, wrong again... premature alzheimers I fear..
[10:47] <Xyverz> holy crap, 809 packages for this dist-upgrade
[10:47] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  no sweat, i've got worse here
[10:48] <thoreauputic> ok gotcha
[10:48] <rubenv> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[10:48] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: I learn something new each day.... and all that cliche stuff ;)
[10:48] <FAST> rubenv: after i do modprobe nvidia,  what should i do?      if it finds the nvidia module... can i just startx ?
[10:49] <rubenv> if your X configuration is ok, yes
[10:49] <FAST> ok.  haven't touched the x config...    time to go try this.        thanks
[10:49] <dare2dreamer> back in a few.
[10:50] <rose> hello all - I tried various linux a couple of years ago until I messed up bootloader and had a major crash - now ready to try again
[10:50] <rose> what is ubuntu like in dual boot with windows
[10:50] <rubenv> rose: good luck, ubuntu is a good choice
[10:51] <rubenv> does it perfect, just watch out you don't overwrite your windows partitions while installing
[10:51] <rose> thanks rubenv - is it the disc partioning easy
[10:51] <thoreauputic> rose: should be fine - you might need to edit /etc/fstab for full access
[10:52] <jamin_l> ok basename does absolutely nothing
[10:52] <rose> I'm a windows user thoreauputic - nervous with command line but have used it
[10:52] <rubenv> rose: it's okay, if you use your brain, nothing can go wrong
[10:52] <thoreauputic> rose: it's a one-liner: not hard
[10:53] <rose> rubenv - I think I found before that so long as I took my time would be okay
[10:53] <kzm> kzm: Okay, it wasn't so hard. Just get into the Windows mindset, and configure eth1 to use wireless from the nice dialog you find in the menu.  Thanks!
[10:53] <rubenv> thoreauputic: doesn't g-v-m does this automatically?
[10:53] <thoreauputic> rose: there's stuff on ubuntulinux.org about all you ned to know
[10:53] <rose> is lilo or grub best with ubuntu?
[10:53] <rubenv> rose: ubuntu uses grub automatically
[10:53] <kzm> Anybody know how to set up Gnome in general to use Unix'y keys? (Ctrl-a to beginning of line, Ctrl-k to cut the rest, etc etc)?
[10:54] <rose> okay thor - will go back there - started looking then thought I'd get more info - was thinking mandrake would be easy for me
[10:55] <rubenv> rose: go for ubuntu :)
[10:55] <thoreauputic> rose: easy yes - but ubuntu is very cool :)
[10:55] <rubenv> causes less pain then mandrake
[10:55] <|ALLANON|> help : i'm using ubuntu hoary and have downloaded xorg-driver-fglrx ....how can i install the acceletation for ati radeon 9800 ????
[10:55] <rubenv> ubuntu just works
[10:55] <rubenv> |ALLANON|: have you checked the binary driver howto on the wiki?
[10:55] <rose> mandrake is very big I think - want something smaller for personal use
[10:56] <|ALLANON|> i uused synaptic
[10:56] <FAST> woohoo, it worked. thanks rubenv !
[10:56] <rubenv> FAST: no prob, spread the love :-)
[10:56] <rose> what about hardware compatibility?
[10:56] <rubenv> |ALLANON|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:56] <rubenv> rose: probably the best around AFAIK
[10:57] <rose> rubenv - that sounds good - I may have to get a modem as have winmodem in box
[10:58] <|ALLANON|> rubenv: the online help if for server-xfree
[10:58] <rubenv> try checking the wiki
[10:58] <rose> oh - and is it okay in dual boot with winXP
[10:58] <rubenv> maybe it has info about your modem
[10:58] <rubenv> |ALLANON|: it's the same, the online help also applies to xorg
[11:00] <Sav> My sound works fine, but the volume is very low. I have all settings on max. Any ideas?
[11:00] <jamin_l> anyone good here at creating shell scripts?
[11:00] <jamin_l> brb - have to check on potatoes in the oven
[11:05] <Dreamer3> anyone know how to make m3u files online work?
[11:05] <Dreamer3> i'm trying to listen to some music from magnatune.com, but with no success
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: I installed gstreamer0.8-mad, from memeory
[11:06] <thoreauputic> works fine with rhythmbox, xmms etc
[11:06] <jamin_l> that and isn't there a codec32 thing you have to download?
[11:06] <jamin_l> or windows codecs?
[11:07] <jamin_l> ah w32codecs
[11:07] <thoreauputic> hmm - for windows media, yeah - I just listen to mp3/shoutcast etc
[11:07] <jamin_l> that might have what he's looking for
[11:07] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i can't get xmms to do anything with it
[11:07] <thoreauputic> and I use ogg for ripping..
[11:08] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: what am i missing
[11:08] <jamin_l> dreamer do you have the w32codecs packages installed?
[11:08] <jamin_l> that's in Synaptic Package Manager
[11:08] <Dreamer3> jamin_l: these are mp3 files
[11:08] <Dreamer3> jamin_l: but yes i do
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: dunno - mine is fine with just gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:08] <Dreamer3> m3u is just a playlist
[11:09] <Dreamer3> i know xmms can do this, i just don't knwo what i'm missing
[11:09] <jamin_l> totem-xine supports it
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: try putting a .pls extension on the playlist
[11:09] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: they are on a webserver
[11:09] <Dreamer3> i just want to click them and have them work
[11:09] <thoreauputic> I did that for some stuff
[11:10] <thoreauputic> save the file and edit it ( the direction file) ie copy the link
[11:10] <thoreauputic> then tell firefox touse yourplayer of choice'
[11:11] <thoreauputic> e.g. I'm using rhythmbox as the default app
[11:11] <thoreauputic> once you have it set up, clicking will "just work"
[11:12] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: hmmm
[11:12] <thoreauputic> no good?
[11:12] <koxbox_> hello... some powerpc useres here ??
[11:12] <thoreauputic> it's just a matter of choosing an app when firefox pops up a box asking what to open it with
[11:13] <sami005> ya pas quelqune qui parle francais
[11:13] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: very recent, yes (iBook G4)
[11:13] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: hmmmmmmmmm
[11:13] <thoreauputic> sami005: un peu, oui
[11:13] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: i damaged my apt sources.list
[11:14] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: can you help me out and post it for me in a query ??
[11:14] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: back it up, then run sudo apt-setup
[11:14] <sami005> on peut parlker en pv
[11:14] <Dreamer3> ok, now it's working :)
[11:14] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: you want a copy of my source.list?
[11:15] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: did apt-setup get me  a new...
[11:15] <sami005> yes
[11:15] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: I have universe and multiverse enabled
[11:15] <smsmasters> hi, which mysql package do u download
[11:16] <smsmasters> mysql-common, mysql-client or mysql-server
[11:16] <smsmasters> ?
[11:16] <zeedo> that depends
[11:16] <zeedo> do you need the client or the server ?
[11:17] <smsmasters> im running apache2
[11:17] <smsmasters> what is the client
[11:17] <smsmasters> i just need a mysql database
[11:17] <zeedo> client is the tools for connecting to and controlling mysql server
[11:17] <zeedo> ifok, get both then :)
[11:17] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: one other is the pu clock... it shows me 553 mhz.. but i have 867...
[11:17] <smsmasters> would i need it
[11:17] <zeedo> smsmasters: probably yeh
[11:17] <smsmasters> whats the command to start mysql
[11:17] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: you got the same problem ?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: the cpu varies with load
[11:18] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: feature, not a bug :)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: I'm offering you a sources list - got it?
[11:19] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: yes on debiaan sarge i got the same ... but i found some to make it right
[11:19] <thoreauputic> it *is* right ;)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> leave it alone...
[11:20] <jamin_l> ok if anyone here is good with shell scripts here's one for you
[11:20] <jamin_l> Zindar  suggested "for f in *.mp3.OK; do mv $f ${f/.OK}; done" to rename files x.mp3.OK to x.mp3  which appears to work -- is there anyway to script this so it'll work recursively through directories?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: my dcc offer aborted with a time out.. run apt-setup as I suggested
[11:23] <BP-Joshua>  #Beta-Projects seeking more members for the OpenSource Software Developing Community!
[11:27] <scizzo> smsmasters: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[11:27] <scizzo> smsmasters: or something like that
[11:28] <Madeye> salam
[11:29] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: apt works ... thx
[11:29] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: heh- you're welcome
[11:29] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:30] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: ;-)
[11:31] <PWM> ok, so I wanted to install the newest version of firestarter (firewall), but it depends on a lot of other packages... how can I install those? I know I can use synaptic, but it doesn't have the newest version of firestarter...
[11:31] <dud> apt-get build-deps firestarter
[11:32] <PWM> I'll try that, thanks :)
[11:32] <kzm> jamin_l: replace "for f in *.mp3.OK" with "for f in `find . -name \*.mp3.OK`"
[11:32] <kzm> don't forget the backticks!
[11:33] <thoreauputic> goodnight all
[11:34] <Jelte> hi there... anyone here familiar/good with wine?
[11:34] <jamin_l> kzm: can you explain that to me?
[11:35] <Sav> My sound works fine, but the volume is very low. I have all settings on max. Any ideas?
[11:35] <Jelte> i can't seem to get the path in wine to be right...   i can start something like  wine i:/somedir/someapp.exe  but not  as  wine /somedir/someapp.exe  even though i: is in my path?
[11:35] <jamin_l> Jelte: lol first i thought you were talking about the alcohol version of wine :)
[11:35] <Jelte> jamin_l, hehehe... bit too early for that one! ;-)
[11:37] <jamin_l> Jelte: depends where you live
[11:37] <jamin_l> here: it's 02:37
[11:37] <Jelte> jamin_l, its 10.37 am here in London ;-)
[11:38] <jamin_l> yes i see that :)
[11:38] <PWM> dud, when I try typing "apt-get build-deps firestarter" it says "invalid operation build-deps"
[11:38] <jamin_l> London... more UK again
[11:38] <jamin_l> btw.... i work for eBay UK from Vancouver, Canada
[11:38] <Jelte> you make it sound like a bad thing! ;-)
[11:38] <dud> build-dep then?
[11:39] <Xyverz> nifty
[11:39] <dud> sorry, build-dep yes
[11:39] <Xyverz> I upgraded to hoary and X won't load now.
[11:39] <Xyverz> :-/
[11:39] <jamin_l> well Brits are weird
[11:39] <jamin_l> woah... meow-in-sync here from 2 cats when i looked at them that was freaky
[11:40] <PWM> dud, thanks a lot... it seems to work now :)
[11:40] <dud> np
[11:41] <prego> I need some advanced help with a usb Flash Hard Drive. It is a 1Gb "Mini Pend Drive 2.0". It has a password protection feature (Windows only), which I have not used. However, the drive maps /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. The data is available through /dev/sda2 but the fdisk command sees strange partition table in those devices... I wish to create partitions on the drive, so I'm puzzled about how to do that...
[11:41] <kzm> jamin_l: sorry, was away a sec.  backticks expand to the result of the command between them
[11:41] <kzm> jamin_l: try echo `ls` vs echo ls
[11:42] <kzm> jamin_l: and try the find command on its own
[11:43] <prego> the fact of having that strange partition table comes from the password protection feature....
[11:43] <smsmasters> ok, im in terminal, how do i change root password of mysql
[11:43] <jamin_l> ahhhh brain imploding!
[11:45] <smsmasters> ?
[11:45] <rose> does ubuntu partition the hard disc easily
[11:46] <pdamoc> hello
[11:46] <rose> perhaps I could say - for the newbie - is it easy to follow
[11:46] <zeedo> rose: sort of
[11:46] <jamin_l> on install? yes...
[11:46] <prego> smsmasters, I guess (what I did time ago with postgres and RH7.x) that you shoud: sudo su - mysql    and then passwd
[11:47] <zeedo> its easier than most distros, but nothing compared to how mandrake does it
[11:47] <jamin_l> then again i'm the moron who had to reinstall Ubuntu 3x to get it to work :)
[11:47] <rose> I tried mandrake a couple years ago
[11:47] <prego> rose, however I don't know if you can shrink existing partitions
[11:47] <pdamoc> problem: I downloaded a Hoary snapshot (2005-feb-02) and tried to install it in vmware... BUT it doesn't recognise the virtual HDD...
[11:47] <rose> do you use command line
[11:47] <zeedo> rose: nah its curses based menu
[11:48] <rose> prego - at the mo I am running winXP with just whatever partition that has
[11:48] <jamin_l> i use command line when i want to implode my brain :)
[11:48] <jamin_l> but it has a great GUI (windows & point-n-click interface)
[11:49] <prego> rose, can you forget of your winXP (delete ALL of the HD data) ?
[11:49] <prego> rose, and install it after?
[11:49] <rose> I do get nervous with command line - but also see how powerful it can be
[11:49] <zeedo> rose: thats the main problem ubuntu has, it should be able to resize the XP partition but atm it doesn't :-(
[11:49] <rose> haven't instlle winXP - computer came preinstalled prego
[11:50] <zeedo> rose: use a partition resizing tool such as partition mgic before hand
[11:50] <jamin_l> if you're not a gamer than you can get by without it i find
[11:50] <smsmasters> that mysql command didnt work
[11:50] <prego> rose, I agree with zeedo, AFAIK
[11:50] <rose> zedo - hmm yes I think a friend did that for me some years ago on old system
[11:50] <zeedo> rose: best idea, apart from a second hdd
[11:50] <pdamoc> any ideas?..... I didn't have this problem installing Warty....
[11:51] <rose> okay prego - guess that means some more reading for me
[11:51] <prego> rose, once the XP partition is resized, in ubuntu you can fill the rest of the HD with the partitions you wish
[11:51] <rose> so - I would partition the hard drive then reinstall winXP and ubuntu
[11:52] <prego> rose, on the other hand, if you have the XP CDs and license, ..., and you have not personal data on the HD, you can delete the partition at ubuntu and define it all
[11:52] <jamin_l> or just burn personal data to CD/DVDs
[11:52] <jamin_l> or 10-zillion floppies
[11:52] <Xyverz> hmmm
[11:52] <rose> yeah I have photos and any other important stuff backed up
[11:52] <Xyverz> X is fux0r3d after upgrading to hoary.  heh.
[11:52] <Xyverz> fun.
[11:53] <prego> rose, check it twice before ;-)
[11:53] <rose> but have heard winXP is a bastard to install
[11:53] <jamin_l> it's even more of one to live with
[11:53] <rose> :-)
[11:53] <prego> Xyverz, hoary has Xorg instead of XFree....
[11:53] <altan> I'm having issues with the nvidia driver locking up my computer about 60-300 seconds into X (XFree on Warty) when I start using things. Didn't try OpenGL apps yet, it crashes on everything.
[11:54] <rose> haven;t had the crashes with it that I used to have all the time with win95
[11:54] <altan> The strange thing is, the mouse cursor keeps moving - but nothing respons and caps lock / num lock do not work. CTRL + ALT + Backspace or CTRL+ALT+Del do not work either.
[11:54] <jamin_l> hey but Ubuntu, no more virus scanning, spyware scanning
[11:54] <rose> but do think that if I could get over my fear of the command line that linux would be better long term
[11:54] <Hannes_> fear of command line?
[11:55] <Xyverz> prego: I know that.  prego I'm having problems running X on hoary.
[11:55] <Xyverz> I'm tempted to copy my gentoo xorg config over.
[11:55] <altan> I first tried with nvidia-glx from universe, then I tried debian unstable's latest nvidia drivers with a freshly compiled kernel
[11:55] <rose> worry I might mess everything up
[11:55] <Xyverz> even running xorgcfg fails.
[11:55] <Xyverz> all I get is a black screen
[11:55] <altan> Xyverz, try xorgconfig
[11:55] <Xyverz> 'cuz dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg don't help
[11:55] <prego> have to go. Bye.... :-((
[11:55] <Xyverz> altan: I might try that
[11:56] <stvn> hi, I got a weird network problem: windows work but ubuntu fails on  SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable (*after* recieving it's ip with dhcp) any suggestions?
[11:56] <rose> anyway - prego - what you're saying is - if no necessary data and I lose it accidentally - to install ubuntu first and then winXP?
[11:56] <stvn> windows does get a connection i mean
[11:56] <altan> anyway, the card I have is a GeForce 3 Ti200 - it's good on FreeBSD with nvidia drivers, and it's... quirky on Windows XP
[11:57] <altan> I black out for a few seconds sometimes on WXP, and sometimes after the blackouts some graphics are corrupted until I reset the resolution - it worked fine when I used to have it 2 years ago, and it worked fine in my friend's computer
[11:57] <altan> but it works flawlessly with FreeBSD. I'm wondering if the "quirkiness" can be causing the nvidia driver to crash
[11:59] <rose> thanks people bye for now
[12:00] <Xyverz> altan: thx, that worked.
[12:00] <altan> np. wish I could fix my problem though :/
[12:02] <jamin_l> okay now that my problem is half-fixed... i'm going to bed
[12:04] <Sav> My sound works fine, but the volume is very low. I have all settings on max. Any ideas?
[12:05] <odyssey> hi i im a little stuck. open gl is only detecting my apg to a 1 speed when in fact its a 4. Any ideas?
[12:05] <Nermal> you using kernel agpgart or nvidia ?
[12:05] <Nermal> Sav, checked them all in aumix or something similar ?
[12:05] <Nermal> is it a 5.1 card ?
[12:06] <Sav> Nermal, yes i have checked, not its not 5.1
[12:06] <Nermal> hmm
[12:08] <kzm> Anybody have a nice guide on modding XF86config for nvidia driver
[12:09] <mdrjr> www.nvidia.com
[12:09] <mdrjr> they have a nice README
[12:09] <mdrjr> ;)
[12:09] <robust_> I have been using gentoo with raid0 and no im about to try ubuntu. Is there someway to activate my raid0 disks in the setup so i can install on them?
[12:09] <kzm> mdrja: Okay.  Nothing Ubuntu-specific, I take it
[12:09] <kzm> ^a^r
[12:10] <mdrjr> yep.. it's explain how to modify your XF86Config or Xorg.conf
[12:11] <kzm> On Gentoo, patches were applied that let it work with sw suspend etc. Something similar on Ubuntu?  Or does the default nvidia driver work?
[12:11] <Nermal> kzm, should work out of the box with acpiu
[12:12] <Nermal> just do echo 4 >/proc/acpi/sleep
[12:12] <Nermal> and make sure resume=/dev/<swappartition> is in your kernel parameters
[12:12] <kzm> nermal: hmm...I used to "echo mem > /sys/power/state"
[12:14] <Nermal> kzm, thats the same thing, but the 2.6 way :)
[12:14] <Nermal> that works out of the box with me on hoary
[12:14] <kzm> Oh.
[12:14] <Nermal> not sure about warty
[12:14] <Nermal> ndiswrapper wasn't too happy when resumed though ;)
[12:15] <kzm> Well - I've made the suggested changes (nv->nvidia, #GLcore,dri)
[12:15] <kzm> So if I'm not back in fifteen minutes, you'll have to come look for me :-)
[12:15] <Nermal> lol
[12:16] <mdrjr> unless you did something wrong it will work fine.
[12:16] <mdrjr> always work for me
[12:17] <robust_> Is there someone herer that have install ubuntu on a previous raid0 setup ?
[12:17] <robust_> I'm feeling alittle nervous about loosing all my data
[12:17] <mdrjr> robust_, do you have the raid0 setup ok ?
[12:18] <mdrjr> if you have it working on another distro you can easily mount it on ubuntu.
[12:18] <robust_> yeah , i'm using gentoo and raid0 works fine and has been for months
[12:18] <robust_> ok
[12:18] <mdrjr> Ubuntu has an option on it's install to install over raid
[12:19] <robust_> i have two raid0 setups and i want to delete one (it contains gentoo and my system files) and create a new raid0 and install ubuntu on that one .. will that work?
[12:19] <robust_> Or maybe there is a option for formating the raid0 system drives +
[12:19] <robust_> ?
[12:19] <mdrjr> I think so.
[12:19] <mdrjr> you will see your raid arrays on ubuntu install
[12:20] <robust_> hopefully it will work ;>
[12:20] <mdrjr> it will
[12:20] <robust_> mdrjr, are using amd64 ?
[12:20] <robust_> you .
[12:20] <mdrjr> nope
[12:20] <robust_> ok
[12:21] <mdrjr> mine is an Atlhon XP 3000+
[12:21] <robust_> I was thinking about installing a 32bit chroot and wanted to talk with someone with alittle experience
[12:21] <mdrjr> well.. get the amd64 version
[12:22] <mdrjr> and try to boot it.. if it works and find's all of your hardware
[12:22] <mdrjr> then it's ok to install.
[12:22] <robust_> Now it's time .. wish me luck , and if it works out i'll be back ;<
[12:22] <mdrjr> good luck!
[12:23] <kzm> Wheeee!
[12:23] <mdrjr> kzm, working ?
[12:24] <kzm> Umm...yes...yes, but
[12:24] <dud> universitet i bergen....
[12:24] <kzm> hm?
[12:24] <kbrooks> i have a question:
[12:25] <kzm> mouse seems a bit erratic
[12:25] <dud> your host....
[12:25] <kbrooks> the screen resolution here is too big
[12:25] <kbrooks> how do i change it
[12:25] <mdrjr> Computer/System Configuration
[12:25] <mdrjr> and click on Screen Resolution
[12:25] <mdrjr> :)
[12:27] <kbrooks> er
[12:27] <mdrjr> kzm: did you see the nvidia logo on X start ?
[12:27] <kbrooks> i dont see the computer menu anywhere
[12:28] <kbrooks> n/m
[12:28] <kbrooks> ummm..i cant change the resolution.
[12:30] <kzm> mdrjr, yes, and Tuxracer works nicely
[12:30] <kzm> I think my problems are with upgrading (and dist-upgrading) warty
[12:30] <mdrjr> tuxracer eh?
[12:30] <kzm> :-)  OpenGL test.  And a cute game
[12:31] <mdrjr> **apt-getting it**
[12:31] <kzm> anyway, most stuff seems to work.  When I tried hoary previously, the mouse was very erratic
[12:31] <BeTa> hi,I'm looking for a nice integration into the ubuntu (gnome) GUI of PPPoE configuration (in the network configuration tool for example)
[12:32] <BeTa> is there anything to do that ?
[12:32] <kbrooks> whaat is the name of the xorg package in hoary
[12:32] <mjg59> xserver-xorg
[12:34] <kbrooks> thanks
[12:35] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:37] <kbrooks> ok
[12:37] <BeTa> anyone knows a great and integrated tool to configure PPPoE on an ubuntu ?
[12:37] <kbrooks> can i remove xserver-xfree86?
[12:37] <kbrooks> is it possible?
[12:37] <mdrjr> BeTa, pppoeconf
[12:37] <mdrjr> sudo pppoeconf
[12:38] <kbrooks> mdrjr, gui
[12:38] <BeTa> yep... but pppoeconf is text-based
[12:38] <mdrjr> pppoeconf is nice and easy to use
[12:38] <BeTa> there is no problem for me
[12:38] <tuxJr_14> kbrooks, yes
[12:38] <mdrjr> so.. what's the big deal.. it will ask you .. you answer and get your connection working
[12:38] <BeTa> but this is for friends who are really not aware about compting
[12:38] <kbrooks> without affecting xorg
[12:38] <mdrjr> and we should go out to drink
[12:39] <BeTa> is pppoeconf in the install CD ?
[12:39] <mdrjr> yep!
[12:39] <BeTa> or do we have to install it by hand ?
[12:39] <tuxJr_14> kbrooks, you have both on the same machine?!
[12:39] <BeTa> all right
[12:39] <mdrjr> it's installed by default
[12:39] <K-Rich> the desktop in Warty there is an option 'Create Document' that has 'No Templates Installed' and 'Empy File' ... Where is the folder i add templates to ?
[12:39] <BeTa> I have another question about the install CD's content : is gimp-print on this CD ?
[12:40] <kbrooks> tuxJr_14, yeah. apparently the upgrade didnt conflict with xserver-xfree86
[12:40] <mdrjr> i'm not that familiar with GIMP
[12:40] <BeTa> gimp-print are printing drivers
[12:40] <mdrjr> hmm
[12:40] <mdrjr> let's see
[12:40] <BeTa> nothing related to gimp except of the origin of the project
[12:40] <jouke> is it possible to store your route-table somewhere? my dhcp-server gives a faulty routetable and i want to override it
[12:40] <BeTa> I'm sorry to ask this kind of question... but I don't have any ubuntu CD here :c/
[12:41] <tuxJr_14> is it possible to download the whole ubuntu repository on to a dvd or some no. of cds?
[12:41] <tuxJr_14> kbrooks, then, uninstall xfree and reinstall xorg
[12:42] <kbrooks> tuxJr_14, xfree is not installed, i checked
[12:42] <kbrooks> i'll reboot.
[12:42] <zhukov_> Hiello
[12:43] <mdrjr> i think that gimp is working
[12:43] <mdrjr> and printing stuff too
[12:43] <mdrjr> I'm printing a image on my HP Deskjet 930C
[12:44] <mdrjr> Yep.. it's worked. and nice
[12:45] <jouke> anybody knows how to manipulate routetables?
[12:45] <mdrjr> jouke, what you wanna do ?
[12:46] <jouke> mdrjr, I want to store my working route table
[12:46] <mdrjr> but you use dhcp right ?
[12:47] <jouke> mdrjr, everytime I reboot my route table is fcked and internet doesn't work anymore
[12:47] <jouke> yep
[12:47] <mdrjr> you wanna store just your default route ?
[12:47] <jouke> yep
[12:47] <mdrjr> oh guy
[12:47] <BeTa> mdrjr: gimp-print is on the install CD ? great ! :c)
[12:47] <mdrjr> BeTa, yep. it is.
[12:47] <PWM> hmm, if I want to edit the /ect/acpi/power.sh file don'
[12:47] <mdrjr> jouke, add to your /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:47] <BeTa> mdrjr: thanks !*
[12:48] <PWM> shouldn't I just type "sudo" in front of it?
[12:48] <mdrjr> supersede routers the.correct.IP.that.you.want;
[12:49] <mdrjr> BeTa, you're welcome.
[12:49] <zhukov_> anyone wth hoary!????
[12:49] <zhukov_> Can run alsamixer
[12:49] <zhukov_> ant
[12:49] <zhukov_> *sheisse CANT!
[12:49] <jouke> mdrjr, thanks
[12:50] <mdrjr> jouke, you are welcome too.
[12:50] <K-Rich> the desktop in Warty there is an option 'Create Document' that has 'No Templates Installed' and 'Empy File' ... Where is the folder i add templates to ?
[12:50] <mdrjr> well.. 10am.. time to sleep
[12:51] <zhukov_> Nobody?
[12:51] <kzm> zhukov: I used to, but reinstalled warty.  That answer your question? :-)
[12:51] <zhukov_> :S
[12:51] <mdrjr> zhukov_, i'm updating to hoary right now
[12:51] <jdub> zhukov_: heaps of people with hoary, easier to ask your question straight up
[12:52] <zhukov_> mdrjr, last night i was here with snarky trying to fix the sound problems
[12:52] <kzm> Q: how do I edit the menus?  Some things can be accessed by right click, but e.g. "places" cannot, it seems.
[12:52] <jdub> kzm: you can't
[12:52] <zhukov_> i've managed to play sound with xine and dvds, etc, but xmms is still crashing
[12:52] <kzm> jdub: can't?  That's a pretty strong word (two, actually.  Fear and surprise and...)
[12:52] <Hannes_> you can
[12:53] <jdub> kzm: not graphically
[12:53] <Hannes_> by edithing .display or something...
[12:53] <jdub> kzm: you have to edit .desktop files directly, etc.
[12:53] <mdrjr> menu's aren't build on the source code. so they must be on some file some where on your file system
[12:53] <mdrjr> s/build/built
[12:54] <zhukov_> managed to play a cd as root
[12:54] <zhukov_> trying an ogg
[12:54] <Hannes_> edit /usr/share/applications/.desktop
[12:54] <kzm> In ~/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers, I guess?
[12:55] <jdub> kzm: no, that's the panel launchers
[12:55] <zhukov_> its with oggs nd mp3
[12:55] <jdub> kzm: read the xdg menu spec
[12:55] <zhukov_> anyone knows how controls oggs and mp3 in here?
[12:55] <jdub> kzm: don't edit the stuff in /usr/share/applications/ though
[12:55] <kzm> xdg menu spec, got it.  Google next?
[12:56] <kzm> ogg123 worked for me (ogg vorbis stream over http)
[12:58] <terry> Is Evolution Broken in Hoary??
[12:59] <odyssey> boolean variables in config files for true is yes ok?
[01:00] <zeedo> odyssey: 1
[01:00] <jdub> terry: yes
[01:01] <terry> DOH
[01:02] <kzm> terry: it broke rather nastily when I tried to upgrade from warty, at any rate
[01:02] <odyssey> zeedo, thanks
[01:02] <terry> kzm, same here, I get a floating point exception
[01:02] <kzm> about menus again - I'm able to add "main menu" and "custom menu" to the panel
[01:03] <zhukov_> hmmm
[01:03] <kzm> terry: oh, in my case, the dist-upgrade failed entirely.  A mess.
[01:03] <Zindar> hey.. jdub... do you know anything about martin who is working at canonical for a SCM system?
[01:03] <zhukov_> appearetly the problem is with some programs
[01:03] <Zindar> jdub: does that mean it's NOT bazaar?
[01:03] <kzm> ...but it's not obvious where it gets the menu information?  Okay, I can do some more reading....
[01:03] <zhukov_> anyone knows were to configure the xmms and totem sound configurations?
[01:03] <terry> kzm, oh mines not that bad
[01:04] <terry> kzm, I just researched that, it is in /usr/share/gnome/vfolders
[01:04] <terry> kzm, some of it is in that folder in XML documents
[01:05] <jdub> Zindar: it's bazaar-ng :)
[01:05] <terry> kzm, however I havent found out how it pulls that all together in a Menu
[01:05] <jdub> terry: that's the old menu system
[01:06] <terry> jdub, ohh I see
[01:06] <Zindar> jdub: and that will be compatible with tla or not?
[01:06] <Zindar> jdub: he says that he doesn't think arch is a good foundation to build on.... and I agree...
[01:06] <jdub> Zindar: most likely not, it's quite a different beast in a way
[01:06] <jdub> well
[01:06] <jdub> it's very much inspired by arch
[01:06] <Zindar> great..
[01:07] <jdub> but most people think tla == arch
[01:07] <Zindar> sure.. that's good .. since arch is good... but way to complex :)... at least it's tla implementation
[01:07] <jdub> see, that's the problem
[01:07] <jdub> *tla* is complex
[01:07] <Zindar> exactly
[01:07] <deepsight> hallou, has anyone tried to get a external hd through usb working with ubuntu warty warhog?
[01:08] <Zindar> this is soo great... I'm not a big fan of tla at all.. but I love darcs... but it has some problems...
[01:08] <mz2> deepsight, should work fine?
[01:08] <jdub> little of that complexity is defined in the arch mechanics
[01:08] <terry> deepsight, warty automatically mounts my USB pen
[01:08] <jdub> Zindar: try bazaar
[01:08] <Zindar> maybe he/canonical will create the perfect match of arch/tla:s stuff and darcs
[01:08] <zhukov_> wahts the ****** difference of alsa and oss???
[01:09] <mz2> firewire hd's don't seem to work hotplugged but usb should work just fine
[01:09] <Zindar> jdub: I have tried it... couldn't find much documentation that wasn't based on "how to convert from tla"... and since I don't like and know tla that good it didn't help me
[01:09] <kzm> Back again.  So - in nautilus, I can open applications:// and computer://, but they don't correspond entirely to what I see in the menus.  I'm not sure the help docs are entirely updated?
[01:09] <jdub> zhukov_: alsa is the new kernel sound driver and interface model
[01:09] <deepsight> well yes, it also works with my ngage
[01:09] <kzm> zindar: did you just say darcs?!
[01:09] <deepsight> the usb connection to the ngage but not with this hdd
[01:09] <kzm> (happy user)
[01:10] <deepsight> its an external enclosure thing where i put my hdd
[01:10] <robust> mdrjr: it didnt work so good , apparently ubuntu don't have suppot for raid on system partitions ;>
[01:10] <kzm> btw: anybody tried to get OpenMosix working on Ubuntu?
[01:10] <terry> deepsight, does dmesg say anything when you plug it in??
[01:10] <robust> but i deleted the raid partitions and installed regular ones instead
[01:10] <deepsight> yeap... wait
[01:10] <zhukov_> Alsamixer isnt runnin
[01:10] <zhukov_> :(
[01:10] <zhukov_> damn
[01:11] <robust> hmm .. i forgot , how do i become root in ubuntu?
[01:11] <zhukov_> any sugesttions about xmms nd tootem
[01:11] <kzm> robust: I tried to install it all on LVM, and after struggling through the partitioning, I was informed that root/boot on LVM wasn't supported.  Go directly to jail.  Even if you do pass Start, etc
[01:11] <deepsight> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2
[01:11] <deepsight> usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0out
[01:11] <kzm> robust: sudo bash
[01:11] <zhukov_> robust, sudo
[01:11] <jdub> zhukov_: configure both to use esd
[01:11] <terry> robust ubuntu doesnt have root but you can sudo bash
[01:11] <deepsight> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -110
[01:11] <zeedo> terry: root does exist, root login is just disabled by default
[01:11] <terry> zeedo, thats what I meant
[01:12] <Zindar> kzm: yeah.. I'm a happy darcs user too.... it's really good.... but I think bazaar-ng can be better... if it drops some of the stupid ideas used by tla :)
[01:12] <Zindar> hehe
[01:12] <terry> Whats darcs??
[01:12] <Zindar> terry: www.darcs.net
[01:12] <zhukov_> jdub, how do i do that in totem? Xmms crashed and wnt restart until i reboot, in the meanwhile i can do that in totem...but un the sound menu, the only options r stereo, 4.1 ... 5.1 ... ac3 passtrhough
[01:12] <kzm> zindar: don't know it, I'm afraid.  I just like working in Haskell, so darcs is a natural choice (although my only contribution to it was a few lines of C code :-)
[01:13] <jdub> zhukov_: are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[01:13] <warty> salut
[01:13] <warty> salut
[01:14] <zhukov_> toem-xine
[01:14] <deepsight> and i use lilo instead of grub, but i dont want to but from it just use it
[01:14] <zhukov_> *totem-xine with lib 1.0.0
[01:14] <terry> hrmm, whats another good gui email client that I can use until Evolution is fixed??
[01:14] <zhukov_> terry, thunderbird
[01:14] <giard> terry: gmail ;-)
[01:14] <jdub> zhukov_: edit ~/.gnome2/totem_config
[01:15] <Zindar> jdub: will you move from the gnuarch mailinglist to a real bazaar-ng mailinglist I can join???
[01:15] <terry> zhukov, I used to use thunderbird, then I stopped liking it
[01:15] <Zindar> I'm very anxious :)
[01:15] <terry> will try gmail
[01:15] <jdub> zhukov_: uncomment and change audio.driver to esd
[01:15] <jdub> Zindar: there's no mailing list discussion for bazaar-ng at all thus far
[01:16] <Zindar> ok... didn't think so...  but I hope that changes soon :)
[01:16] <terry> hrmm gmail isnt available in the repository
[01:16] <jdub> terry: they mean gmail.com
[01:17] <terry> lol jdub, oh I see
[01:17] <terry> so thunderbird it is
[01:17] <zeedo> terry: theres also sylhpeed
[01:18] <zeedo> sylpheed *
[01:18] <terry> is transcode available in repository?? I have another repository for mplayer which has transcode, I wonder if I could pin back to a version available in hoary
[01:18] <giard> cool to hear about Guadalinex
[01:19] <giard> good to see momentuum starting
[01:20] <zhukov_> jdub, still not working
[01:21] <terry> giard whats Guadalinex, all I can understand on there page is the picture of the Ubuntu Distro
[01:21] <zhukov_> :(
[01:21] <giard> terry: http://babelfish.av.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guadalinex.org%2Fmodules%2Fnews%2Farticle.php%3Fstoryid%3D119&lp=es_en
[01:21] <zhukov_> (gedit:10098): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[01:21] <zhukov_> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[01:22] <terry> giard, so its just another Distro??
[01:22] <jordi> terry: remember the famous "Linex" Spanish distro?
[01:22] <jdub> terry: it's an important spanish distro
[01:23] <jordi> in the schools of Extremadura?
[01:23] <terry> everybody, I know nothing about Spanish Distros
[01:23] <jordi> terry: it's sort of the same thing, but in Andalucia, not extremadura.
[01:23] <jordi> it was even on the American TV
[01:23] <jdub> jordi: GOSH! ;-)
[01:24] <giard> *chuckle*
[01:24] <jordi> :D
[01:24] <ajmitch> hey jordi
[01:24] <jordi> hi andrew
[01:25] <jdub> jordi: you like the news? :)
[01:26] <jordi> yes. Although I hear thunders in the west.
[01:27] <terry> cdrdao is not in hoary universe, nor growisofs?
[01:27] <jordi> jdub: here we've considered Ubuntu, but not right now. Hopefully after Perky we can seriously talk about it.
[01:27] <jordi> jdub: our first release will be Sarge based
[01:27] <jdub> heh, thunders :)
[01:32] <norman> join
[01:33] <kzm> Hi again (the /&% panel crashed, taking everything with it)
[01:38] <giard> wow, the x11 packages in hoary are getting rev'd almost daily now
[01:39] <terry> why isnt growisofs and cdrao not in hoary amd64??
[01:39] <terry> ooops double negative
[01:40] <dud> they are there...
[01:40] <dud> i have them installed on hoary amd64
[01:40] <Rake> hey again people. quick q; how do i apply big patches? (trying to put on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940)
[01:41] <Rake`> bug* rather
[01:45] <giard> terry: did you check to see if they were in universe
[01:46] <giard> terry: or multiverse
[01:46] <terry> giard, resolved it in #debian-amd64
[01:48] <terry> giard, whats multiverse, that seems interesting
[01:48] <terry> it sounds mystical
[01:49] <terry> giard, I will just have to add it and find out!!
[01:52] <regebro> Hi all! When I runt gedit, I get  "WARNING **: Failed to lock: No locks available **" repeated three times. Anybody know what that means?
[01:53] <Phreakazoid> regebro, its trying to lock the file, but the kernel won't let it?
[01:54] <regebro> Possibly. But what file? I'm not opening a file. Any why? ggv does that same.
[01:54] <Phreakazoid> I don't know... does the program still work fine?
[01:54] <flodin> gnome apps output so much bs to the console
[01:54] <flodin> i wouldnt think much of it
[01:55] <Phreakazoid> yeah
[01:55] <regebro> Yup. Except that it starts and saves very slowly, which I thought may have something to do with this.
[01:55] <robust> hmm , i tried to upgrade by using apt-get install nvidia-glx and then a apt-get upgrade but my nvidia module is version 6610 and my glx version is 6629. (I'm using amd64) How can I fix this?
[01:55] <giard> silly question
[01:55] <giard> so I just installed monodevelop
[01:55] <giard> how long does it take for the developer menu to appear?
[01:56] <giard> in the main menu
[01:56] <regebro> I'll just find an editor that doesn't take a life time to start and use that instead.  Any hints? (No, not vi or emacs)
[01:58] <terry> regebro.....pico??
[01:59] <Phreakazoid> nano
[01:59] <dud> regebro, nano
[01:59] <dud> i dont think i could have survived without nano...
[01:59] <Phreakazoid> I just use vim out of habit
[02:00] <regebro> Hmm, yeah, I forgot about those. OK, that might do for today, but I would like something graphical. Kinda lika kate. ggv looked fine, but takes half a minute to start with is just to annoying.
[02:00] <Phreakazoid> ggv is a text editor?
[02:01] <Phreakazoid> I was sure its a postscript viewer
[02:01] <regebro> I ment to say gedit but it came out wrong. :p
[02:02] <Rake`> Hey - I want to install a bug fix (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940) - how do I go about it
[02:06] <dud> gedit or bluefish
[02:06] <dud> i really prefer bluefish by a mile when i want a graphical editor
[02:06] <Phreakazoid> gedit in gnome 2.10 looks nice
[02:07] <shock> is 2.10 out ?
[02:07] <Hwolf> Phreakazoid: What can possibly be better on gedit?
[02:07] <Hwolf> shock: no
[02:07] <Phreakazoid> no
[02:07] <shock> *g*
[02:07] <shock> oh
[02:07] <shock> :(
[02:07] <Phreakazoid> the 2.10 version has syntax highlighting, and some other programmer friendly stuff
[02:07] <shock> how can u get me this close to an orgasm and then deny it to me?
[02:07] <shock> *grr*
[02:07] <shock> well.. I have syntax highlighting in gedit right now
[02:08] <shock> O_o
[02:08] <Hwolf> shock: get an orgasm with another human being.  Except the `how the fsck do I edit my menu' part
[02:13] <regebro> Ah, the bluefish description is "HTML editor". ;-)
[02:14] <scizzo> neofeed: I think that link is gone in the new nautilus version and so on
[02:14] <regebro> But gxedit opens *very* fast, I like that. I'll try these out. Thanks for the hints.
[02:15] <neofeed> scizzo, so how do I edit my menu now ?
[02:15] <scizzo> neofeed: I am not sure...
[02:16] <scizzo> neofeed: maybe look for information on www.gnome.org
[02:17] <digitalpure> i am trying to vpn into my office, but cannot figure out how to get connected
[02:17] <trey3> Hey... how does one get a "BitTorrent meta file"?
[02:18] <shock> trey3 - download it somewhere?
[02:19] <shock> or do you want to create one?
[02:19] <trey3> shock: from where? I just want to try out "GNOME BitTorrent" on account of its part of ubuntu-desktop now...
[02:19] <shock> :)
[02:20] <shock> suprnova.org is down :/
[02:20] <terry> shock its been down for like 4 months now
[02:21] <robust> I'm trying to upgrade to the latest version of gnome but it keeps complaining. I'm using hoary with all the repositories .. main universe etc... and it tells me that it can't be installed because gnome-desktop-environment can't be installed ;>
[02:21] <shock> http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ <-- why not try fedora *g*
[02:21] <shock> *cough*
[02:21] <silbs> Rake`: did you get an answer yet? you should attach the patch to the bug in bugzilla
[02:21] <shock> gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package, i think
[02:21] <shock> just dont install it
[02:21] <Rake`> hey .. how do i go about installing a patch?
[02:22] <robust> shock, but it won't continue ?
[02:22] <nevyn> Rake`: with patch(1)
[02:22] <Rake`> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[02:22] <shock> robust - just use synaptic - go to section gnome and install
[02:22] <shock> works fine here
[02:22] <shock> =)
[02:22] <trey3> robust: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment on its own and see why it won't install?
[02:23] <robust> shock, not for me.. complains about gnome-desktop-environment
[02:23] <Rake`> nevyn - patch(1)?
[02:23] <nevyn> Rake`: the program called patch
[02:25] <Rake`> yeah .. but the fix is on the bugzilla.ubuntu .com site
[02:25] <Rake`> don't quite know how to use it
[02:25] <nevyn> it's a source patch you really don't want to deal with that.
[02:25] <nevyn> just update and upgrade and you'll get it.
[02:27] <Rake`> what if I have? problem still occurs.
[02:28] <terry> what is Ubuntu based on sid or sarge??
[02:28] <rcaskey__> terry: sarge
[02:28] <rcaskey__> wait
[02:28] <nevyn> terry: a little from collumn a a little from collumn b
[02:29] <robust> This sucks , still can't install gnome , it has something to do with libnautilus-2-2 , it doesnt seem to exist
[02:30] <terry> Okay finally got transcode to install!! Nice
[02:30] <terry> robust did you try apt-get dist-upgrade??
[02:30] <rcaskey__> It really doesn't matter all that much. Sure, rsync has a .001 version bump, but the big stuff like Ooo and Gnome is being reworked significantly...
[02:30] <rcaskey__> robust: try an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:30] <robust> doesnt help ;/
[02:31] <rcaskey__> sometimes that happens if your trying to snag an out of date package becuase your package list is old
[02:31] <trey3> terry: Ubuntu is based on Sid...
[02:31] <terry> It doesnt matter now, I have transcode installed, just trying to figure out which mariliat repository to use
[02:31] <George_Guy> Can anyone help me.... I need to get a FTP client that works on ubuntu, have downloaded gftp but get an error that there is not C compiler
[02:31] <robust> it seems strange that gnome-desktop-environment has a dependency on libnautilus2-2 when it clearly doesnt exist
[02:32] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, you can install gftp using synaptic or apt-get
[02:33] <George_Guy> ok...I only started using linux on friday......what are the baby steps?
[02:34] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, In console type sudo apt-get update && apt-get install gftp (enter YOUR user password)
[02:34] <robust> lol ..
[02:34] <MM2> I'm trying to open a mpg file to kino
[02:35] <MM2> it won't open a file :(
[02:35] <robust> gnome depends on gnome-environment - and in the end that depens on libnautilus-2-2 , but if i install gnome-core and libnautilus-2-2 it's still not please. Then it wants me to install nautilus , but that removes libnautilus completly ;>>
[02:35] <trey3> MM2: you need the codecs... www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:35] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, if you can do that you should probably do apt-get upgrade as well to update all the packages on your system.
[02:37] <George_Guy> ok I clicked on synaptic package manager....entered my password and nothing has come up on my screen after that?
[02:37] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, are you in the account that you used to install Ubuntu ?
[02:38] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, the user account that is
[02:38] <George_Guy> yes, only have the one user
[02:39] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, ok open a gnome terminal session Alt+F2 gnome-terminal
[02:39] <George_Guy> ok got it open
[02:39] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, type sudo -s (enter your user password)
[02:41] <George_Guy> ok did that and after typing my password the terminal window shut down
[02:42] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, umm
[02:42] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, are you on your Ubuntu system right now ?
[02:42] <George_Guy> yip
[02:44] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, that's weird what you can try is hitting Ctrl + Alt + F2 to get to a real terminal. Login and type sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. Hit ctrl + alt +F7 to get back to where you are now.
[02:44] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, write that down so you don't forget ;)
[02:46] <LinuxJones> gg in 15 mins
[02:46] <LinuxJones> ter bb
[02:47] <trey3> George_Guy: he really meant 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' though
[02:48] <George_Guy> ok tried that but is came back and said 'user is not in the sudoers file
[02:52] <George_Guy> trey3 any ideas?
[02:54] <terry> George what was the first user you added to Ubuntu
[02:54] <trey3> George_Guy: you have to restart to "recovery mode"... and enter 'George_Guy ALL=(ALL) ALL'
[02:55] <George_Guy> ok thanks guys will give it a try
[02:55] <trey3> ^^ that goes in /etc/sudoers... that parts important
[03:07] <robust> i have begun to create a 32bit chroot .. and i want to keep my 32bit and 64bit applications and libraries completly seperate. And now i'm wondering if there is a command so that i can type : apt-get install wine and it will install all of the dependencies automatically ? (It just bugs me all the time cause there are no applications installed for the moment)
[03:08] <liberion> what header do i need to install for building nvidia module?
[03:08] <LinuxJones> liberion, nvidia module is available for download unless you compiled your own kernel you should use that.
[03:09] <bob2> robust: er, that's what apt does
[03:09] <nevyn> robust: that's what apt DOES.. it's it's entire purpose.
[03:09] <bob2> liberion: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <nevyn> CRAP
[03:09] <LinuxJones> liberion, lots of good stuff for getting started with Ubuntu can be found here >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:09] <nevyn> ' abuse
[03:11] <liberion> LinuxJones, nah im not picking up opengl
[03:11] <bob2> read that wiki page
[03:11] <liberion> bob2, been there is not about bin driver must build module
[03:12] <bob2> liberion: why?
[03:12] <bob2> please don't randomly rebuild things for no reason
[03:12] <liberion> bob2, when i try to build other stuff opengl is not picked up
[03:13] <bob2> liberion: indeed
[03:13] <bob2> liberion: did you install the nvidia GL headers?
[03:13] <liberion> bob2, no theres no deb for it
[03:14] <liberion> bob2, it would be just as easy to build the module anyway
[03:14] <bob2> nvidia-glx-dev - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver development files
[03:14] <liberion> brb
[03:14] <bob2> what's that then?
[03:14] <liberion> bob2, lemme check apt
[03:15] <bob2> no, you don't "check apt", you install that package
[03:15] <liberion> bob2, thanx man i didnt see it lol :)
[03:16] <bob2> in future it might be a good idea to ask questions instead of making assumptions...
[03:16] <bob2> save you time and all
[03:16] <LinuxJones> bob2, aren't you being rather rude
[03:16] <bob2> I'm not meaning to be
[03:17] <bob2> apologies if that sounded harsh
[03:17] <liberion> bob2, what tools do i need to build debian packages i have build-essential what else
[03:17] <bob2> depends what you mean by build
[03:18] <liberion> bob2, nah its cool
[03:18] <bob2> package from scratch or compile debian source packages?
[03:18] <Treyck> hi
[03:18] <liberion> bob2, i want to build a deb package for briquolo
[03:18] <Treyck> i've a question
[03:18] <bob2> liberion: from scratch?
[03:19] <liberion> hey
[03:19] <bob2> ie no one else has packaged it?
[03:19] <liberion> bob2, yes
[03:19] <liberion> bob2, no one has
[03:20] <bob2> then dh-make and read the Debian New Maintainer's guide
[03:20] <Treyck> my problem : i must download the nvidia-graphicdrivers,but i dont know the command for downloading a programm in textmode
[03:20] <bob2> you'll have to calculate the build-deps etc yourself as the packager
[03:20] <bob2> Treyck: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:20] <liberion> bob2, im not new to linux just debian me and some developers are build arcane linux and migrating to a debian type system new stuff for me
[03:21] <bob2> tho I don't know of any cards the default nv driver doesn't handle (in hoary, anyway)
[03:21] <bob2> liberion: right
[03:21] <bob2> liberion: new maintainer's guide the [place to learn how to package stuff
[03:21] <shock> hello alltogether
[03:21] <shock> I have a stupid little problem at hand
[03:22] <shock> I do not - for the love of christ - remember how to make a router out of a two-eth-device computer
[03:22] <shock> :/
[03:22] <Treyck> thx a lot
[03:22] <bob2> "make a router"?
[03:22] <shock> yeah
[03:22] <shock> all i need to do is this iptables thing i guess
[03:22] <bob2> just enable ip forwadring (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ip_forward) and setup your routes
[03:22] <shock> u know - forward eth1 to eth0
[03:22] <bob2> iptables doesn't have much to do with routing
[03:22] <shock> ah ok
[03:23] <bob2> it does for masquerading, but that's not quite the same thing
[03:23] <LinuxJones> shock, >> http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Networks/Easy_Internet_Sharing.html
[03:23] <shock> /proc/sys/net/ip_forward: No such file or directory
[03:23] <bob2> come on dude, proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[03:24] <shock> :)
[03:24] <shock> its 15:24 here and I had no coffee today *searchesforexcuses*
[03:25] <bob2> hah
[03:25] <bob2> fair enough
[03:25] <shock> :)
[03:25] <shock> hm
[03:26] <shock> weirdness.... did the echo1 thing... no forwarding so far
[03:26] <shock> i'll do the elinks thing and look at that howto ;)
[03:27] <bob2> you're really just forwarding, no need for NAT?
[03:28] <LinuxJones> shock, sorry that howto is no good it's for ipchains , sorry my bad :(
[03:28] <shock> yeah
[03:28] <shock> just noticed
[03:28] <shock> ipchains *g*
[03:28] <shock> *remember that*
[03:28] <shock> 15:27 < bob2> you're really just forwarding, no need for NAT?
[03:28] <shock> ^^ yeas
[03:28] <shock> if they want NAT here.... oh well
[03:29] <shock> let them cry first
[03:29] <bob2> then just sticking the right subnets on each interface and enabling forwarding should work
[03:29] <bob2> check your routing table (ip route)
[03:29] <shock> looks good
[03:30] <shock> i got internal ip on eth1 - external on eth0 and default via external route - eth0
[03:30] <shock> hm
[03:31] <shock> anyone - how can i configure irssi to ignore join and quit messages?
[03:31] <shock> this really screws up all the conversations
[03:34] <cbaux> Hi, I'am a newbie to Linux and I am looking for a way to setup an openmosix cluster with Ubuntu. Is it possible, and if yes, how.
[03:35] <website> does anybody know a good file sharing program for gnome?
[03:36] <shock> oh boy... I want to be back to the internet properly
[03:36] <shock> *grml*