[01:48]  * RedDeath Back
[04:16] <urielvigilant> I have lots of time invested in my Lubuntu 14.04.1, after intallastion. Time asking "How to do it" here and on google, to make my wifi laptop work, to make my pen 4G Lte work, to make my scanner and printer work, to improve graphics, to have wine, to make it Hibernate, to make it read DVDs, an other stuffs i dont remember now. So if i need one day to install a new version on another laptop...
[04:16] <urielvigilant> ...with this configurations , how to do it ?
[10:32] <ubuxubu> why  wont lubuntu do full screen mode when run in a VM?
[10:32] <ubuxubu> i just tried same thing with ubuntu and it will
[10:35] <testdr> ubuxubu: what versions? There is no difference for the kernel and x11 between ubuntu and lubuntu.
[16:53] <Ahmuck> why is the 64bit iso 700+ mb?
[17:13] <testdr> Ahmuck: 64bit + some 32bit modules and 64bit is always a bit larger
[17:15] <testdr> Ahmuck: and the i386 Lubuntu-14.04.1 is large, its 729808896bytes
[18:02] <Ahmuck> testdr: ya, looking for 64bit 700mb cd
[18:02] <Ahmuck> *shrugs*
[18:02] <Ahmuck> bloat?
[18:12] <testdr> Ahmuck: the difference ist 10MB - based on ca.700MB, thats around 1% for different systems and 64bit is not using less space than 32bit - its using twice.
[18:13] <testdr> Ahmuck: the best known limitation for 32bit is the dropout for the time-calculation in a few years, cause the based math is only 32bit large.
[18:15] <testdr> Ahmuck: last, this is not ubunut-specific - its a general diff. of those system-specs.
[20:58] <zota> hey guys
[20:58] <zota> just installed this awesome distr
[20:59] <testdr> zota: windows-8?
[20:59] <silverlion> zota : :D
[20:59] <zota> linux mint:D
[20:59] <testdr> lubuntu != linux mint
[20:59] <zota> i hope so:D
[20:59] <GothSpark> hi all , I got  this error http://goo.gl/eb1E5C but only have libpolkit installed what is wrong ?
[21:00] <zota> i found a bug i think
[21:00] <zota> i get auto logout when i clicking one of the right click menus
[21:02] <GothSpark> zota on what ? mint or lubuntu
[21:02] <zota> you can enable right click menus, in Desktop Preferences>Advanced>"Show menus provided by..."
[21:03] <zota> and when i click one of the right click menus, i get logout
[21:03] <GothSpark> if openbox crash because of a bad config file you are loged out for safety
[21:04] <testdr> GothSpark: check syslog for error messages about "org.freedesktop" and there are some, example may be pulseaudio, dnsmasq and more sometimes (or ever) fail to communicate
[21:04] <zota> i just installed lubuntu
[21:05] <testdr> zota: do no rightclick! - create a new admin-user and login as this user and check if there is the same, cause this user would get a fresh desktop configuration
[21:05] <zota> i installed nothing just: hexchat, chromium, tor
 pulseaudio ! that ring me a bell it is crashed well not working so i guess that this is the issue
[21:07] <GothSpark> is it safe to uninstall pulseaudio (since it is  not working)
[21:08] <zota> testdr: same issue
[21:08] <testdr> GothSpark: pulseaudio should not crash - i have it running since month and no big problems - but there is the pure also-sound-usage as default - maybe remove pulseaudio-package and using only alsa could help
[21:09] <Gassho> why do i have two wireless thingies on my taskbar?
[21:09] <testdr> for those to read a bit about it - maybe this links helps to understand: http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2012/07/13/top-five-wrong-ways-to-fix-your-audio/
[21:10] <testdr> Gassho: check their configurations and show those thru the pastebin (link)
[21:10] <zota> testdr: any idea?
[21:11] <testdr> zota: you did read my advice?
[21:12] <zota> yes, but i got same result like before
[21:14] <testdr> zota: then either your hardware is crazy or the installation is broken -- the next advice would be to check it with the ubuntu-live-version (maybe bootable from usb-stick with/or without persistent) to prove the default works. And if so -- you can try to reinstall the desktop-pakets, but it might be easyer to do a full reinstall.
[21:18] <Gassho> i dont know how to do that.  I refer to two thingers on my system tray, both wifi for the same connection i think (doublechecking)
[21:19] <testdr> Gassho: richt-click and the connection-information?
[21:19] <Gassho> same
 i found no entry for org.freedesktop  but a lot a spam form my cpu trying to use mei_me not revelent to the problem tho
[21:20] <testdr> Gassho: that was more like a left-click - internet-reset or what?
[21:21] <Gassho> right click connect-info
[21:24] <testdr> Gassho: what is "same"? Same connection-info? Is so, then you can delete one entry from the lxpanel
[21:24] <Gassho> indeed
[21:25] <Gassho> how ^^;
[21:25] <testdr> damn - no-one reads the webpages, the wiki?
[21:25] <wxl> testdr: language
[21:26] <testdr> wxl: you have the wiki-url for lxpanel config at hand?
[21:26] <Gassho> its technically on the 'system tray'
[21:27] <Gassho> the only thing (things) on the system tray
[21:28] <testdr> Gassho: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Setup#Windows.2C_Desktop.2C_Taskbar.2C_LXDE
[21:33] <zota> hey testdr
[21:33] <zota> iam on live usb now
[21:34] <zota> and got same result like before
[21:34] <zota> and i checked the usb filesystem, and got no error
[21:35] <testdr> zota: that sounds nice, then your system is not usable for lubuntu. Have you ever tried other ubuntu-flavours and did they fail too?
[21:36] <zota> xubuntu, kubuntu is okey
[21:37] <wxl> testdr: nopey nope nope
[21:37] <zota> and i didnt have problem with ubuntu too
[21:37] <wxl> everyone all good now?
[21:37] <testdr> Gassho: found another page with more pictures about config of lxpanel: http://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201010/page07.html
[21:37] <zota> testdr: so i dont know whats the problem
[21:39] <zota> testdr: i have sse2 dual core 2.5Ghz, 2GB ram, 320GB harddrive, 6670 ATI VGA
[21:39] <zota> i dont have problem with my system
[21:39] <zota> and i downloaded the 32bit lubuntu
[21:39] <wxl> how do we define your problem again zota ?
[21:40] <zota> i get logout when i click one of the right click menus
[21:40] <testdr> zota: if xubuntu/kubuntu do no logout with right-mouse-click on desktop - i dont know how this happens with lubuntu.
[21:40] <testdr> zota: may be i dont understand: what is a right-click-menu for you?
[21:40] <wxl> zota: is this a fresh install or a live system? what version?
[21:40] <zota> shortcuts, applications, menus
[21:41] <testdr> wxl: zota said he tried the live-version and it is the same
[21:41] <wxl> that's some straaaaaaaaaange happenings
[21:41] <zota> wxl: i tried with a installed system, but iam on live usb now, and it happens again
[21:41] <wxl> you have anything in /var/crash, zota?
[21:41] <testdr> zota: could you explain what is a "richt-click-menu"?
[21:42] <wxl> testdr: context menu created by right clicking on an element that is listening for such an event
[21:42] <testdr> wxl: but those do no logout - or do you know one?
[21:42] <wxl> well here's another question: does x crash or do you get a prompt to log out, zota ?
[21:43] <zota> testdr: Preferences > Desktop Preferences > Advanced > "Show menus provided by...."
[21:43] <wxl> for that matter you should repeat the problem and then see what you get from /var/log/Xorg.0.log zota
[21:43] <zota> wxl: the X crashed
[21:43] <wxl> so it's not a logout, it's a problem with x
[21:43] <testdr> ok - then its no logout?
[21:43] <wxl> that being said you should check the logs
[21:46] <zota> i install right now, and will come back
[21:46] <zota> bye
[21:46] <testdr> wxl: could be zota is speaking about the enabled pcfman-desktop-menus, one gets with a right-click(if enabled) on free desktop-spave
[21:46] <wxl> um zota ?
[21:47] <zota> testdr: yes, aim
[21:47] <wxl> testdr: right click on the desktop. you get a context menu. that's what he means.
[21:47] <zota> testdr: yes, I'm
[21:49] <zota> and i get same issue, when i reload the default apps for LXsession
[21:49] <zota> Preferences > Default applications for lxsession > reload button
[21:54] <GothSpark> pulse audio fails to communicate  it is running but can't do anything with it
[22:00] <wxl> i would avoid pulseaudio like the plague
[22:02] <testdr> wxl: already gone, about right-click-crash i only found this and its old: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2146841
[22:02] <wxl> wonder what version testdr
[22:02] <zota> wxl: i got the log
[22:02] <zota> wxl: http://pastebin.com/0qXbX27M
[22:03] <zota> strange
[22:03] <testdr> zota: what ubuntu version you are using?
[22:03] <zota> <IP_ADDRESS> lts
[22:03] <zota> look at the log guys
[22:03] <zota> my mouse.....
[22:03] <zota> wtf
[22:05] <testdr> zota: kernel 3.13.0-32 is an older one -- dont know if this is still true: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2146841
[22:06] <testdr> zota: you have a razor mouse with this glowing thing?
[22:06] <zota> yes
[22:07] <testdr> gamer usage...
[22:07] <zota> i got it from my friend
[22:07] <zota> :D
[22:08] <testdr> is the razor-mouse still working without multiple-press-hits on the buttons? I have one with this dropout and no exchange-mousebutton-miniswitches
[22:08] <zota> testdr: so what should i do?
[22:09] <testdr> zota: if you have another "normal" mouse, maybe try this to make shure its not this high-resolution-mouse.
[22:09] <GothSpark> *is back* no removing pluseaudio did not helped  still nothing under syslog
[22:11] <testdr> zota: if i have time tomorrow, i will pull out my old defect razor-mouse to check if those 12 buttons are to much for a poor x11-window-system ;-)
[22:11] <zota> so i my mouse is too good for x11
[22:11] <zota> wtf
[22:12] <testdr> zota: i m joking
[22:12] <zota> :D
[22:12] <GothSpark> razer build mouse in a weird way
[22:12] <wxl> GothSpark: still, pulseaudio sucks.
[22:12] <zota> but how my mouse is crashing the x11 server?
[22:12] <wxl> GothSpark: so you have no sound or what?
[22:12] <testdr> zota: did you read the link?
[22:13] <zota> yes
[22:13] <GothSpark> wxl got sound , but I am greeted by a popup saying "GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject"
[22:13] <testdr> zota: do a update of your system to get the new kernel - maybe its something around this
[22:13] <wxl> GothSpark: what makes you think this has to do with sound?
[22:14] <testdr> zota: you are a few kernel-versions behind the current system
[22:14] <zota> testdr: i never did that
[22:14] <GothSpark> wxl: pluseaudio was working but had not sound
[22:14] <wxl> GothSpark: i don't think it's related.
[22:15] <GothSpark> wxl: what coul it be ?
[22:15] <testdr> zota: yes - i did see - you still use the kernel from the live-install-version
[22:15] <zota> yes
[22:16] <wxl> GothSpark: i forget what package it is. i think it gets installed with openssh server, maybe other things, but it's unrelated.
[22:16] <wxl> GothSpark: so with just alsa, do you have sound?
[22:16] <GothSpark> wxl: alsa just works perfectly
[22:17] <testdr> zota: from the x11-log, i can only say the razor does a "Close" and the the x11-server finishes in a clean way
[22:17] <testdr> then the x11-server...
[22:17] <wxl> GothSpark: then we have another problem to figure out :)
[22:17] <wxl> zota: and did you look to see if anything is in /var/crash ?
[22:18] <wxl> GothSpark: do you have keychain installed?
[22:18] <testdr> wxl: in zota`s x11-log is at the end the evdev entry of the razor-mouse with Close - and then the unload of evdev and x11 finishes
[22:19] <GothSpark> wxl: I don't think so, well .. thinking of it i installed mysqlWorkbench,
[22:19] <wxl> testdr: i saw. nothing seems out of whack
[22:20] <wxl> GothSpark: `apt-cache policy keychain | grep -i installed`
[22:20] <GothSpark> nothing
[22:21] <wxl> GothSpark: ummmmmmm that doesn't make sense. try just `apt-cache policy keychain`
[22:21] <zota> testdr: crashdump: http://www.datafilehost.com/d/0eded67b
[22:21] <wxl> at worst it would say "Installed: (none)"
[22:22] <GothSpark> wlx: it did (none)
[22:22] <wxl> GothSpark: ok so that's not your problem
[22:23] <testdr> zota: sorry - i am no crash-dummy to read and understand those crash-logs - cant help there and like i said, i will try tomorrow with my old 12-button-razor if it does the same.
[22:24] <zota> wxl: can you check the crash dump?
[22:24] <wxl> see if this helps GothSpark https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657006#c6
[22:25] <wxl> no interest in downloading random files, zota. use pastebin.
[22:25] <zota> not works....
[22:25] <wxl> then find something else
[22:25] <wxl> i have no trust in the internet :)
[22:25] <zota> because its more than 500kb
[22:25] <wxl> use dropbox, figure something out
[22:26] <GothSpark> wxl: i did check that ... the only policy kit installed is libpolkit
[22:26] <zota> testdr: which kernel should i install? 3.8?
[22:27] <wxl> GothSpark: well i would suggest posting to the mailing list. i'm not in front of a lubuntu machine currently to test further.
[22:27] <testdr> zota: you do the normal update procedure - you have never done it?
[22:27] <GothSpark> where is the mailing list ^
[22:28] <wxl> lists.ubuntu.com/lubuntu-users
[22:29] <zota> testdr: nop, i never upgraded kernel i think
[22:29] <phillw> wxl: are you okay with the deletions I have made ?
[22:29] <testdr> zota: if you never did an update and only using the pakets from the live-install-version, then you may have missing language-packages and i dont know if there is such an bug
[22:30] <zota> :D
[22:30] <wxl> phillw: wheeeeeeeeere? :)
[22:30] <phillw> wxl: spam on mailing list :)
[22:31] <phillw> wxl: you will get an mail alert from the system.
[22:31] <wxl> phillw: oh i'm sure :)
[22:31] <wxl> phillw: i meant to get to it this morning but clearly forgot
[22:32] <phillw> I took three out :D
[22:32] <wxl> the pcb thing
[22:32] <testdr> i am off for this evening, bye
[22:32] <wxl> the business owner thing
[22:33] <wxl> i'm sure it's fine phillw
[22:33] <wxl> did you make sure to permanently reject the email addresses & block them from subscribing?
[22:33] <zota> guys? 3.16.2 the last stable thats correct?
[22:33] <zota> kernel*
[22:34] <wxl> !info linux-kernel trusty
[22:34] <wxl> argh
[22:34] <wxl> !info linux trusty
[22:34] <wxl> you're dumb
[22:34] <Ahmuck> whoo
[22:34] <phillw> wxl: I'll go with the flow.... I can issue DNS names, and backup... But it is for people to decide upon what they wish.
[22:35] <Ahmuck> do i need synaptic to install package linux?
[22:35] <wxl> !info linux-generic trusty
[22:35] <phillw> Ahmuck: you already have linux
[22:35] <wxl> there finally
[22:35] <zota> wxl: https://www.kernel.org/
[22:35] <wxl> zota: that doesn't tell you the newest available kernel
[22:35] <Ahmuck> aww
[22:36] <wxl> !info linux-generic utopic
[22:36] <wxl> newest stable is 3.16.2 and mainline is 3.17-rc5
[22:36] <zota> so which should i install?
[22:37] <wxl> zota: depends on how much work you want to do
[22:38] <zota> wxl: how you mean?
[22:38] <wxl> zota: which version are we talking about?
[22:38] <zota> 3,16
[22:38] <wxl> zota: of lubuntu.
[22:38] <zota> i have now 3.13.0-32
[22:39] <zota> <IP_ADDRESS> lts
[22:39] <wxl> then the newest kernel available is:
[22:39] <wxl> !info linux-generic trusty
[22:39] <wxl> you can get that slightly newer version with `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade` and reboot
[22:40] <wxl> beyond that, there are three levels of difficulty which are listed here:
[22:40] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel
[22:42] <wxl> tl;dr upgrading the kernel is not a common and thus not simple task
[22:42] <wxl> (at least if we're talking about kernels not already pre-compiled and in the repos)
[22:45] <zota> wxl: my x server is still crashing
[22:45] <zota> wxl: but i have a crappy mouse now
[22:46] <wxl> zota: so clearly it's not the mouse. anything in /var/crash?
[22:48] <zota> ProcCmdline: /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[22:48] <wxl> zota: are you responding to me?
[22:49] <zota> yes
[22:49] <zota> wxl: ProcCmdline: /usr/bin/lxsession -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
[22:49] <wxl> so if you look in /var/crash, that's in there?
[22:49] <zota> yes
[22:49] <wxl> under what filename?
[22:49] <wxl> what's the rest of it?
[22:49] <zota> wxl: filename: _usr_bin_lxsession.1000.crash
[22:50] <wxl> zota: what's the date?
[22:50] <wxl> and time
[22:50] <zota> Date: Tue Sep 16 00:41:05 2014
[22:51] <wxl> and what's the current date and time?
[22:51] <zota> 00:51
[22:51] <wxl> this was the file you were trying to send. so this will probably help us get to the bottom of it, but you need to put that ttext file somewhere that i can see it. i don't want to download it.
[22:52] <wxl> make a bug report if you want
[22:53] <zota> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575961
[22:53] <zota> same problem here
[22:54] <wxl> your system runs fine until you right click, though, correct?
[22:55] <zota> yes
[22:55] <wxl> so it's not related
[22:55] <wxl> also this user installed lxsession without the rest of lxde
[22:55] <wxl> that's not what you're dealing with, right?
[22:56] <zota> i have default setup
[22:56] <wxl> so then it's not related
[22:56] <zota> maybe i will install xubuntu....
[22:57] <wxl> or you could find some way to share the one piece of troubleshooting info that might actually get to the bottom of this :/
[22:59] <zota> i will
[23:01] <zota> finally
[23:01] <zota> i found the same issue here
[23:01] <zota> wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1316832
[23:01] <zota> this is the same
[23:02] <zota> he is enabled the right click menus
[23:02] <zota> like me
[23:03] <wxl> zota: so if you do `lxsession-default calculator` you have the same problem?
[23:03] <zota> like lxsession-default browser
[23:03] <zota> yes
[23:03] <zota> 1 min
[23:05] <zota_> HAHAHAHAHHA
[23:06] <zota_> wxl: it's working now:D
[23:06] <wxl> zota_ if it's not working you should subscribe yourself to that bug and keep an eye out for the fix. you can also add the lubuntu-dev/staging ppa and update lxsession to at least ~ppa5 and you'll be good.
[23:06] <zota_> bugfix is working:D
[23:06] <zota_> jajaja
[23:06] <zota_> finally
[23:07] <zota_> wxl: thanks man for your help
[23:07] <wxl> zota_: np hopefully you've learned a little something about how things work aroudn here :)
[23:08] <zota_> sure:D
[23:09] <zota_> wxl: but why this bugfix not included in this version?
[23:10] <wxl> zota_: it's not made it's way to the repos yet. there's a formal process it has to go through.
[23:10] <wxl> zota_: it's basically like development -> approval process -> it's in the repos
[23:10] <wxl> so the fix exists before anyone can access it by normal methods
[23:12] <zota_> but a normal user would get frustrated, and leave, and install an another distrub
[23:12] <zota_> not like me:D
[23:12] <wxl> possible yes but not every "fix" is really a fix
[23:12] <wxl> that's why it needs to go through the approval process
[23:13] <zota_> i know i know
[23:13] <wxl> we'
[23:13] <wxl> re not like microsoft with their broken updates XD
[23:14] <zota_> ahahahha
[23:15] <wxl> zota_: you could always help us with testing!
[23:15] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[23:18] <zota_> i'll check it
[23:20] <zota_> wxl: you didnt ask why i choosen lubuntu:D
[23:20] <wxl> zota_: you didn't tell me :)
[23:22] <zota_> wxl: so, i have a crappy computer, its not the best for my project: I'm testing wireless routers: so I need run multiple programs, wireshark, aircrack, etc...
[23:22] <wxl> ahhh very good
[23:22] <zota_> of course education purposes only:D
[23:23] <wxl> OF COURSE
[23:23] <zota_> for now:D
[23:23] <zota_> xD
[23:23] <wxl> are you a new linux user?
[23:24] <zota_> nop, but i never really get into this "linux world"
[23:24] <zota_> i will...
[23:24] <wxl> that's where all the fun is :)
[23:25] <zota_> i have 26 wifi router right now:)
[23:25] <zota_> +-2
[23:29] <wxl> jeeeeeeeeeez
[23:29] <wxl> send one my way so i can put openwrt on it :)
[23:29] <zota_> :)
[23:33] <phillw> zota_: accept the invite... will be very good for you.
[23:33] <wxl> zota_: i concur, it's a good thing
[23:34] <zota_> phillw: what invite?
[23:34] <zota_> sorry im just doing my things
[23:35] <phillw> zota_:  the one sent  to you... but if not, please /j #lubuntu-offtopic


[10:22] <bazhang> coreymon77: ok; my bad..
[10:23] <pippo> is it Gutsy beta good?
[10:24] <coreymon77> pippo: i wouldnt reccomend it right now
[10:24] <pippo> ok
[10:24] <pippo> I will wait for right release
[10:25] <pippo> nobody answer on #ubuntu-it... italy is a strange land :)
[10:26] <coreymon77> many of the local channels are not all to active
[10:26] <pippo> I see :)
[10:30] <Bauldrick> what is it, 2 weeks till gutsy release?
[10:31] <ScorpKing> yes. that's what i saw today.
[10:33] <ScorpKing> i wonder if it will run on my laptop....
[10:33] <ScorpKing> 640Mhz 320MB ram
[10:33] <ScorpKing> feisty works well.
[10:34] <Bauldrick> wonder if it'll run on my Linkstation 400Mhz 32MB ram?!! (
[10:34] <ScorpKing> nope. lol
[10:35] <ScorpKing> you might get the kernel working tho. :)
[10:35] <Kachna> i'd get debian for that
[10:36] <Bauldrick> already have!!
[10:36] <Kachna> good choice :-)
[10:36] <ScorpKing> any graphics?
[10:36] <Bauldrick> not onboard, can run vnc
[10:36] <Kachna> what for...?
[10:36] <[Relic] > add more ram?  :)
[10:37] <ScorpKing> oh, i see. :)
[10:37] <[Relic] > if progress dialog only had some sort of progress indicator  :(
[10:38] <[Relic] > deleting a drive takes a while  :)
[10:38] <ScorpKing> progress indicating in linux is way better that windows.
[10:39] <[Relic] > using only 0 not done and 1 done is quite accurate but doesn't do much for estimating time of a trash deletetion  :)
[10:39] <ScorpKing> hehe
[10:40] <phoenixz> Hi there, I am using knetworkmanager to manage all my network stuff. Now, I want to configure a VPN connection, but selecting the menu entry VPN connections -> configure VPN does not do anything.. Does anybody know how I can fix this??
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: no clue....
[10:41] <[Relic] > Anything do disk spanning for backups so I can just choose all the directories I want and let the program tell me how many DVDs I need?  :)
[10:42] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, It does work with you?
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: I've never used it
[10:42] <Ace_NoOne> hmm .. I've installed Yakuake and assigned ALT+SPACE as key combo - that starts Katapult tho; how can I reset the shortcut?
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> !backup
[10:42] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[10:42] <Psycoshot> How do you find a package name.
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> Ace_NoOne: go to systemsettings->keyboard and mouse
[10:43] <serafo> boas noites
[10:43] <Les_Caesars> In the "recent" tab, my kicker menu shows recent documents, but not recent applications. How can I fix this?
[10:43] <phoenixz> what does katapult do by the way??
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> Psycoshot: "apt-cache search <keyword>"
[10:43] <ardchoille> Psycoshot: apt-cache search app_name_here  ?
[10:43] <ardchoille> I like nosrednaekim's explanation better
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: its a quick launcher/caclulator
[10:44] <Ace_NoOne> nosrednaekim: can't seem to find it there
[10:44] <Psycoshot> What would AmarokFS's package name be :S
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> Ace_find what?
[10:44] <Ace_NoOne> nosrednaekim: anything that would help me solve the problem
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> Ace_NoOne: oh sorry wrong nick.
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> just a sec
[10:45] <Ace_NoOne> for the record: I'm a KDE newbie
[10:46] <emilsedgh> Psycoshot: if you want AmaroKFS, try Kirocker music display...
[10:46] <Webbmaster> anyone here heard of Xephyr
[10:46] <Psycoshot> Ak thanks.
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> Ace_NoOne: :)its ok. umm is there a place to configure yakuake?
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> Webbmaster: yup
[10:46] <Ace_NoOne> nosrednaekim: that's what I'm trying to figure out
[10:47] <Psycoshot>
[10:47] <Psycoshot> emilsedgh: Wow thats much better.
[10:47] <emilsedgh> Psycoshot: it rocks!
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> Ace_NoOne: humm... let me go get yakuake
[10:47] <Ace_NoOne> sorry for the trouble
[10:47] <Webbmaster> how do i start another instance of kde to run in Xephyr
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> no problem
[10:47] <Webbmaster> presumeably i run export DISPLAY=:1 and then some other command
[10:48] <emilsedgh> yakuake 2.8 is __REALLY__ better, splits vertically and horizontally, and becomes full-screen, really usefull features
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace_NoOne: launch yakuake
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> it's in the menu
[10:48] <Ace_NoOne> Daisuke_Ido: I did, like three times
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> (key binding)
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> !kde4 | Webbmaster this will tell you a little how to run KDE, just don't run those KDE4 specific export lines
[10:48] <ubotu> Webbmaster this will tell you a little how to run KDE, just don't run those KDE4 specific export lines: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> the last link^^
[10:49] <Webbmaster> nosrednaekim: thanks
[10:49] <nosrednaekim> NP
[10:49] <Webbmaster> i did try to install kde4 which is where i got the idea from :D
[10:49] <nosrednaekim> oh :) is that what you were trying to run?
[10:50] <Webbmaster> nah
[10:50] <Ace_NoOne> Daisuke_Ido: there is no menu for Yakuake
[10:50] <Webbmaster> i just ran kde4 normally, but it was no good
[10:50] <Ace_NoOne> well, I can't access it anymore now
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> Webbmaster: is still beta ;)
[10:50] <hnet> holaaaaa
[10:50] <Webbmaster> nosrednaekim: i know
[10:50] <Daisuke_Ido> why?
[10:50] <Webbmaster> but i had no kicker!!!!
[10:50] <nosrednaekim> Ace_NoOne: is yakuake running?
[10:51] <nosrednaekim> Webbmaster: yeah... lol. thats fixed in beta 3 (or will be)
[10:51] <Ace_NoOne> nosrednaekim: yes
[10:51] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi there, I have kubuntu on my Dell latitude D620 laptop, Im quite a heavy user, I run compiz, gaim, amarok, xchat, kmail, firefox with 20 pages, eclipse editor, skype, and a bunch of other programs. So far, so good.. Now, every now and then I have misterious X crashes, where X restarts, or hangups where  i only see blinking ascii characters.. This usually only happens when I install software with Adept manager.. the laptop is very hot at those m
[10:51] <sven_oostenbrink> oments, could it be malfunction becuase of overheating?
[10:51] <Webbmaster> nosrednaekim: ahh, when can i get that in gutsy repos?
[10:51] <Webbmaster> or is there antoher repo i can use?
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> Webbmaster: it shoudl be released in about a week
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> its will be in gutsy, eys
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> *yes
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: could be...
[10:52] <jeri> hi everyone!
[10:53] <Les_Caesars>  I recently installed kicker/kickoff, and it works great! But it's missing an important functionality feature. It does not display my recent applications
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: set some powermanagement to make it run at a lower frequency at that time.
[10:53] <Les_Caesars> jeri: hi
[10:53] <jeri> i finally got my amarok to play mp3s!now i need to figure k3b to support mp3 so i can burn em down!
[10:53] <hnet> Hi, I can't install Ubuntu nor Kubuntu on a compaq presario F564LA, I think because of a conflict with WiFi card BROADCOM. Anyone can help???
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> Les_Caesars: kicker and kickoff are two different things
[10:53] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim, at that time? how do you mean that?
[10:53] <jeri> how do i do that?
[10:53] <sven_oostenbrink> Is there a way I can read out the CPU temp?
[10:54] <Les_Caesars> nosrednaekim: erm. ok. What's the one which  also happens to be the SUSE KDE menu?
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: yeah.. its called "sensors"
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> !sensors
[10:54] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> Les_Caesars: kickoff... ok
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> Les_Caesars: kickoff
[10:54] <Les_Caesars> ok. Well, I'm having a kickoff problem
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> !info kickoff
[10:54] <ubotu> Package kickoff does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> yeah it does..
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> !find kickoff
[10:55] <Les_Caesars> I did it third-party anyway.
[10:55] <ubotu> Package/file kickoff does not exist in feisty
[10:55] <Daisuke_Ido> oh.  then you're not supported, and you've voided your warranty, so even if you have a hardware malfunction that has nothing to do with software, we cannot help you.
[10:55] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[10:55] <Daisuke_Ido> just kidding
[10:55] <Les_Caesars> :P
[10:56] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim, but what I understood is that you can lower CPU freq when I run certain programs? correct?
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> !windows attitude | Daisuke_Ido
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: yeah, do it from the powermanager...
[10:56] <trickel_> is anybody here how can spek german
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> !de
[10:56] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: that's not windows attitude, that's OEM attitude :)
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> heh
[10:58] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim, sorry... :) where is the powermanager?
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: it should be on the panel, a green battery looking thing.
[10:59] <jeri> wa do i need 4 my k3b to support mp3
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> if you have a laptop.
[10:59] <bazhang> jeri: lame
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> jeri: for if you wanted to burn an MP3
[10:59] <jeri> sorri im just new here
[11:00] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: calling names isn't very nice
[11:00] <emilsedgh> jeri: search k3b in adept, there is something like libk3b-mp3, install ir
[11:00] <emilsedgh> it*
[11:00] <bazhang> jeri: do you know how to add software?
[11:00] <sven_oostenbrink> nosrednaekim, ah, you mean like.. set the policy manually? Ithought that you meant like that I can specify in a configuration that when program X is running, then lower the CPU freq...
[11:00] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: sorry, I meant the lame mp3 package.
[11:00] <jeri> kind of sudo apt-get install
[11:00] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: i know :P
[11:00] <nosrednaekim> sven_oostenbrink: i'm sure its possible to do that... but it'd take some scripting work ;)
[11:00] <bazhang> jeri: then you are set.
[11:00] <Ace_NoOne> for the life of me, I can't figure out how to reconfigure Yakuake
[11:01] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: ok phew. I'd hate to piss you off...
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> but it's the libk3b2-mp3 package (or something similar)
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace_NoOne: can you get it open at all?
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> or can you not get it open because alt+space opens katapult?
[11:01] <Ace_NoOne> Daisuke_Ido: not since I changed the keyboard shortcut to ALT+SPACE
[11:01] <Ace_NoOne> exactly
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> here's a wild suggestion
[11:01] <nosrednaekim> Ace_NoOne: uninstall katapult
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> bear with me
[11:01] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[11:01] <jeri> ok thx
[11:02] <Daisuke_Ido> just change katapult's keybinding temporarily!
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: don't tell me NO!!!
[11:02] <tetreaul> !katapult
[11:02] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: we tried that...
[11:02] <Daisuke_Ido> ouch
[11:02] <Ace_NoOne> Daisuke_Ido: I have no idea how...
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[11:02] <Ace_NoOne> (KDE nub, remember ;) )
[11:02] <Daisuke_Ido> Ace_NoOne: uninstall katapult
[11:02] <Ace_NoOne> D:
[11:02] <Daisuke_Ido> then reinstall it after you fix yakuake...
[11:02] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: just to be clear.. I was kidding ;)
[11:02] <Daisuke_Ido> turn that frown upside down!
[11:03] <Ace_NoOne> heh ok
[11:03] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: i wasn't :)
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Ace_NoOne: Did you change the keyoard shortcut for katapult?
[11:05] <Ace_NoOne> Daisuke_Ido: got it now
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Thats a conflict
[11:05] <Ace_NoOne> I killed Katapult
[11:06] <Ace_NoOne> then could access Yakuake again
[11:06] <Ace_NoOne> so no need to uninstall
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Ace_NoOne: ok reset the one for yakuake to something
[11:06] <Ace_NoOne> just did :)
[11:06] <apollo2011> I just rebooted and now my mouse is clearly more sensitive than it used to be. I am on KDE and the setting for acceleration is still the same, as low as it will go (1x). Is there some other setting in X, KDE, etc that could be changing my mouse's sensitivity/acceleration?
[11:06] <DaSkreech>  run katapult press alt+space -> Ctrl+C -> G -> set the command o something other than alt +Space
[11:06] <DaSkreech> set back yakuake ot alt+Space
[11:07] <Ace_NoOne> thanks people, now I'm all set
[11:07] <Les_Caesars> ok. KDE and openSUSE both gave me the finger when I asked how to fix my kickoff problem.  How to I get recent applications to work?
[11:07] <trevor> Hey, anyone know anything about alsa mixer on kubuntu with an acer laptop>
[11:07] <trevor> ?
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> trevor: which one..
[11:07] <BluesKaj> apollo2011, system settings/keyboard & mouse
[11:07] <trevor> Acer Aspire 5050...
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> trevor: deja vu.. lol.I have the same one.
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> trevor: what exactly is the problem?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> Bye!
[11:08] <trevor> Nice!  Well, I'm showing off ubuntu distros to a friend, so I'll be back in a few...
[11:08] <trevor> Thanks!
[11:08] <bazhang> bye!
[11:09] <apollo2011> BluesKaj: Yeah, I have gone into those settings and they are as I set them up. The only one that would really affect the sensitivity is the acceleration, which is set a 1x, as low as it will go...
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> trevor: k.. I might not be around though... jst a second, let me get you a link, K?
[11:09] <Daisuke_Ido> trevor: bring them into the light!  escape the clutches of the evil Darth Ballmer!
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> trevor: http://nosrednaekim.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/linux-on-the-acer-aspire-5050/
[11:10] <bazhang> hahaha
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> written by yours truly
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Les_Caesars, did you install kickoff
[11:10] <BluesKaj> ?
[11:10] <Vermux> why dictionary.com dowsnt work with firefox?
[11:10] <apollo2011> BluesKaj: In addition, modifying that value doesn't seem to change how sensitive the mouse for better or worse. As if another setting somewhere is setting the behavior of the mouse
[11:10] <Les_Caesars> BluesKaj: yes. It works 95% But the last 5% is a really important component.
[11:11] <Les_Caesars> BluesKaj: recent documents works, but not recent applications
[11:11] <trevor> nice...
[11:11] <BluesKaj> what last 5% ?
[11:11] <BluesKaj> oh
[11:11] <Les_Caesars> they're in the same tab. But it's blank for recent apps
[11:11] <Vermux> \?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> i haven't used kickoff in a while , gonna check
[11:12] <Daisuke_Ido> have you used apps since installing kickoff?
[11:12] <Daisuke_Ido> just sayin...
[11:13] <bazhang> bye!
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> c ya bazhang
[11:13] <Vermux> does anybody know why firefox doesnt display disctionary.com results?
[11:13] <Les_Caesars> Daisuke_Ido: heh, funny. But unfortunately, yes. It truly isn't working
[11:14] <Les_Caesars> Vermux: robots.txt? Just a guess
[11:14] <Vermux> Les_Caesars: what is it?
[11:15] <Les_Caesars> Vermux: please don't take my answer seriously. But FYI, robots.txt is just a file that websites can have, which asks crawlers to overlook them. Some obey, and some don't. web.archive.org obeys robots.txt. I'm not sure whether google does or not. Presumably, yes
[11:15] <Vermux> Les_Caesars: it displays results but after long time of waiting
[11:16] <Les_Caesars> Vermux: hm. inefficient index? No idea
[11:17] <Vermux> Les_Caesars: what crawlers?
[11:17] <uga> Vermux: possibly it takes some time until firefox loads its own kernel, boots up services, starts up the login manager and desktop environment and the X compatible graphics server =)
[11:17] <Vermux> Les_Caesars: what are these words- I have no idea what do u mean
[11:18] <uga> Vermux: FirefOS
[11:19] <Vermux> uga:  sorry, but Im new in this thing: kubuntu and linux
[11:19] <NickPresta> Les_Caesars, any of the important search engines, Yahoo, MSN, Google, Archive.org, etc will obey your robots.txt. That isn't to say it's a replacement for denying access from crawlers and such in your httpd.conf file either...
[11:19] <uga> Vermux: it's a joke... firefox is almost an operating system on its own... too much bloat =)
[11:20] <uga> Vermux: have you tried using konqueror instead?
[11:20] <uga> or opera
[11:21] <Vermux> uga:  now I got the joke :)
[11:21] <Vermux> uga: so firefox is very slow?
[11:21] <uga> it was meant to be lighter than mozilla, but it seems to be going the same way
[11:21] <NickPresta> Vermux, it's hardly "slow" but there are leaner browsers available
[11:22] <Les_Caesars> Vermux: Crawlers. They're what "crawls" around the internet, exploring. While they look at the content, they organize it in what's called an "index," which is what makes search engines good at finding things in the internet. (To everyone else, please excuse my layman's speech)
[11:23] <BluesKaj> spiders
[11:24] <Les_Caesars> hm. Hey,  I still don't know what to do about my kickoff. Does anyone know what to do?
[11:24] <Vermux> Les_Caesars: now you are writing in my language- thanks
[11:24] <Vermux> Les_Caesars: so spiders=crawlers?
[11:25] <ernesto> Hi, I need somebody who<IP_ADDRESS> me
[11:25] <ernesto> Im new
[11:25] <poison--> !beryl
[11:25] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:25] <borrer> hello,  who can help me ? I have installed kubuntu 7.04 on ASUS m2v-mx with integrated VIDEO (VIA Chrome9), and I cant start on graphics mod.
[11:25] <ernesto> I need to Install my Wi-Fi card
[11:25] <poison--> borrer, start with recovery mode and edit grup
[11:25] <Vermux> NickPresta: why using leaner browser?
[11:25] <poison--> grub*
[11:26] <poison--> !ndiswrapper
[11:26] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:26] <Les_Caesars> Vermux: I would imagine. But I -really- don't know a lot about search engines. I just have the average person's understanding of the topic.
[11:26] <borrer> problem not in grub, vesa drivers cant be loaded
[11:27] <Les_Caesars> Vermux: it's like you're getting a lesson about life from a 9 year old
[11:27] <Vermux> uga: firefox is different than mozilla?
[11:28] <uga> Vermux: firefox is based on mozilla, it was made lighter, and given they removed parts like e-mail and others from it, it was lighter
[11:28] <uga> but then... it's growing again
[11:28] <uga> Vermux: much heavier when you compare it to others like opera or konqueror
[11:28] <borrer> poison: i mean that cant start xorg
[11:29] <pippo> coreymon77
[11:29] <Vermux> uga: with konqueror I cannot read my gmail
[11:29] <pippo> coreymon77: U can't belive me... the error was in windows and in my laptop
[11:29] <uga> Vermux: you can. Or at least I can, here
[11:30] <pippo> coreymon77: wireless was disabled from the acer windows utility, and now wireless is right!!!!
[11:30] <borrer> who can help me ? I have installed kubuntu 7.04 on ASUS m2v-mx with integrated VIDEO (VIA Chrome9), and xorg cant start.
[11:31] <Vermux> uga: it doesnt display anything
[11:32] <poison--> !compiz
[11:32] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:32] <uga> Vermux: uhm... I juts entered. Maybe it's a bug in the feisty version. Gutsy here
[11:33] <uga> Vermux: even in feisty I was using newer kde packs, so it worked iirc
[11:33] <Vermux> uga: where do I c which version of ubuntu I am using|?
[11:33] <borrer> who can help me ? I have installed kubuntu 7.04 on ASUS m2v-mx with integrated VIDEO (VIA Chrome9), and xorg cant start.
[11:35] <Vermux> uga: now gmail doesnt display anything with qunqueror- I tried to change the html setting
[11:36] <uga> Vermux: type: lsb_release -a
[11:36] <uga> Vermux: heh, just use the html setting =)
[11:37] <hangthedj> can someone tell me how to untar something into a specific directory?
[11:37] <Vermux> where do I type it?
[11:37] <Vermux> uga:
[11:38] <Vermux> uga:  now it gives me this error:
[11:38] <Vermux> An error occurred while loading http://www.gmail.com/:
[11:38] <Vermux> Timeout on server
[11:38] <Vermux>  Connection was to www.google.com at port 443
[11:38] <coreymon77> pippo: huh? wireless works now?
[11:39] <pippo> yaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:39] <uga> Vermux: that's got nothing to do with konqueror, in theory
[11:39] <coreymon77> pippo: thats great
[11:39] <pippo> coreymon77: an error in windows, an applett windows can disable wireless from bios
[11:39] <uga> Vermux: it's a failure to open port 443 (https)
[11:40] <coreymon77> pippo: thats windows for ya!
[11:40] <pippo> coreymon77: I thanks you so much for all time, I would like to offer a beer :)
[11:40] <uga> Vermux: try on the command line: telnet www.google.com 443
[11:40] <uga> Vermux: does it open immediately?
[11:40] <coreymon77> huh?
[11:40] <pippo> coreymon77: :)
[11:40] <poison--> !pt
[11:40] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[11:41] <Vermux> I just opened it with ff. it works fine with it
[11:41] <pippo> thanks again
[11:41] <uga> Vermux: it may not be doing the same process for firefox
[11:41] <coreymon77> no problem
[11:41] <uga> Vermux: anyway, you can change the browser id in konqueror to firefox 1.5 and try
[11:41] <Vermux> uga: how do I open the cmd?
[11:42] <uga> Vermux: alt+f2  and type... konsole
[11:42] <LjL> !shortcut
[11:42] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[11:43] <uga> uhm... lets see how much ubotu knows about...
[11:43] <uga> !photography
[11:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about photography - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <uga> shasme
[11:43] <uga> shame
[11:43] <Vermux> uga: it says "connection closed by forign host
[11:43] <uga> Vermux: you should see....
[11:43] <uga> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[11:43] <uga> Connected to www.l.google.com.
[11:43] <uga> Escape character is '^] '.
[11:44] <Vermux> uga: yes that what I c
[11:44] <MS-Suse> if i specify a burning speed in growisofs is it going to overwrite the burners default burning speed for a given media? 4x instead of 2x
[11:44] <Vermux> and what I wrote too
[11:44] <uga> Vermux: connection closed only if you type in something
[11:44] <Vermux> uga:  I didnt type
[11:44] <uga> Vermux: then it's strange. The socket should remain open
[11:45] <uga> at least for a while
[11:45] <uga> Vermux: it hasn't closed connection here, yet
[11:45] <Vermux> uga:  I tried again, it is still "trying..."
[11:46] <uga> okay, that explains why konqueror times out
[11:46] <uga> it cannot achieve a connection
[11:46] <Vermux> uga: ok- and waht is the reason?
[11:46] <uga> Vermux: ISP maybe
[11:46] <uga> I can't tell for sure
[11:47] <Vermux> uga: before it happaned, I changed the html setting in conquerer to standard without chat. now I changed it back to standard with chat
[11:47] <uga> Vermux: try <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:47] <uga> instead of www.google.com
[11:47] <Vermux> uga: but it worked before- just I couldnt read anything because of the garbage
[11:47] <uga> uhm
[11:48] <pippo> notte
[11:51] <parsnip> lo each#
[11:51] <Vermux> uga:  it displays:Connection closed by foreign host.
[11:52] <parsnip> does anyone have the kde4 beta installed?
[11:56] <Vermux> uga: I tried the ip u gave me, it displays:Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[11:56] <uga> Vermux: that's what www.google.com resolves to, here
[11:56] <astan> anyone know a program in *verse somewhere in which i can just open a mpeg4 movie and do some simple editing (just cut/paste, fade in/out, and some text)..?
[11:57] <Vermux> it is still trying
[11:57] <astan> kino won't load my .avi.. :/
[11:57] <Vermux> do u think I should reboot?
[11:57] <uga> Vermux: rather than reboot, try to get another IP address, if your ip is dynamic?
[11:57] <Vermux> uga: and how do I do that
[11:58] <uga> Vermux: does your ISP offer you a fixed (static) IP address?
[11:58] <uga> if not, usually on each adsl modem reconnection, you'll get a new IP address
[11:58] <uga> unless your ISP caches it
[11:58] <Vermux> uga: it isstatic
[11:58] <uga> uhnm, then you can't
[11:59] <uga> maybe through an online proxy... a second
[11:59] <waylandbill_> uga: you'd have to have the dsl modem off for a while. I think they've got a good sized TTL for the MAC.
[11:59] <Vermux> uga: but how can it be. fire fox works fine with gmail
[12:00] <Vermux> waylandbill_: what?
[12:00] <uga> Vermux: it may be that firefox isn't directed to the same address. As I said, you could try changing the browser ID in the konqueror settings
[12:00] <uga> waylandbill_: depends on the ISP
[12:00] <uga> waylandbill_: I've seen ISPs giving a completely different IP on each restart of hte modem
[12:01] <Vermux> uga: now it is working suddenlt
[12:01] <Vermux> suddenly
[12:01] <uga> lol
[12:01] <uga> I scared google when I mentioned the word "proxy" ;)
[12:01] <waylandbill_> uga: that would use up alot of addresses needlessly, but I don't doubt it with some providers.
[12:01] <Vermux> uga:  by working I mean, displaying all that garbage
[12:02] <uga> waylandbill_: it's nice though, when you get an IP address of somebody that has been doing lots of *muleing
[12:02] <uga> and you get stupid icmps all over the place
[12:02] <uga> Vermux: just wait for gutsy to be out,... =(
[12:03] <Vermux> uga: ok, I changed the identification to firefox 1.5 - it is the same
[12:03] <Vermux> uga: so u r implying that Gusty is betteR?
[12:04] <uga> Vermux: I'm just saying I can read gmail from konqui in gutsy ;)
[12:05] <uga> waylandbill_: btw, giving away another IP address doesn't increase the amount of IP addresses being used
[12:05] <uga> waylandbill_: as soon as the modem restarts and does a dhcp broadcast with the MAC address, they know the IP address associated to that MAC is free again
[12:05] <uga> and it's reused
[12:06] <uga> for somebody else
[12:06] <Vermux> uga: I changed it to firefox 1.5- still doesnt work. any ideea?
[12:06] <waylandbill_> uga: if it restarts. If it has a momentary lapse of service, it's not the same thing, but it's drifting off target a little.
[12:07] <uga> Vermux: not really
[12:07] <_Tudor_> Hello
[12:07] <BluesKaj> yeah konq browser ID has to be configged to FF 1.5 to render gmail and yahoo pages properly , altho the back button freezes up rather than returning the page on gmail
[12:08] <nosrednaekim> hello _Tudor_
[12:08] <uga> waylandbill_: not sure what you mean... there's a lapse of service. then a new IP lease is requested. You're given a new IP. But as soon as you are given a new one, the old one is free
[12:09] <_Tudor_> How are you?
[12:10] <waylandbill_> uga: nah. there's a timeout before the ip can be reused. Could be short, but it's not instantaneous.
[12:10] <uga> waylandbill_: a few seconds maybe, yup, until the dhcp server updates the DB
[12:10] <Vermux> BluesKaj: I changed it to firefox 1.5- but it has the same problem. cannot read gmail
[12:11] <uga> waylandbill_: it could well be a roundrobin list. Nobody would notice
[12:11] <Vermux> uga: does cable modem also broadcasts its MAC address?
[12:11] <nosrednaekim> _Tudor_: very good
[12:11] <uga> Vermux: afaik, yes. But I'm not trained in adsl lines
[12:12] <waylandbill_> uga: all nic interfaces have to provide a mac address. It's part of the protocol. Could be modified by a NAT or router though.
[12:13] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: thanks for the invite you left at ubuntu-tutorials
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: hey.. good to see ya
[12:14] <uga> waylandbill_: heh, thanks. I don't know much about ppp and similars. Just normal ethernet osi levels ;)
[12:14] <uga> and something about modulation etc, but not about specific protocols
[12:14] <Vermux> uga:  waht is afaik?
[12:14] <uga> Vermux:  as far as I know
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: I have been using kubuntu for a year, tried ubuntu for a week, and couldn't stand gnome ;) so I know how you must feel right now.
[12:15] <Vermux> Iug I meant cable modem not dsl modem
[12:15] <kilrae> does anybody know of a way to automatically set the umask for a single ext2 file system?
[12:15] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: I'm finding things that I really like (katapult and klipper + actions) and others that are driving me crazy, like Konqueror
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: Konqueror as a web browser quite frankly sucks...
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> I use firefox
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: don't feel bad if you do that.
[12:16] <Vermux> uga:  I meant cable modem not adsl modem
[12:16] <kilrae> and don't forget to disable the gnome file picker in about: config
[12:16] <uga> nosrednaekim: most sites work from konqueror nowadays. Maybe you should get more deep into that "sucks" definition
[12:17] <uga> nosrednaekim: and actually some sites that dont' work on firefox, do work on konqueror. Funny, ain't it =)
[12:17] <uga> Vermux: they should all be similar...
[12:17] <nosrednaekim> uga: slow on my dial-up, flash only works half the time. not as many good plugins, the list goes on.
[12:17] <nosrednaekim> half the time pages time-out
[12:18] <kilrae> so nobody has any thoughts on the umask deally?
[12:18] <uga> nosrednaekim: flash always works here on konqueror, even on 64bit, and... sorry, half the plugins (kio) that exist for konqueror are unavailable for firefox
[12:18] <uga> nosrednaekim: try doing fish:// with firefox
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> uga:  thats not a web browser thing, its filemanagement.
[12:18] <kilrae> why would you want to do file transfers in your web browser?
[12:19] <uga> nosrednaekim: sorry to say... fish is networking
[12:19] <kilrae> why would you want to do networking in your web browser?
[12:19] <nosrednaekim> uga:  ANYWAY... I don't like it.. and I have heard ALOT of complaints.
[12:19] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: so u r suggesting to broese only with firefox. I cannot read gmail with qq
[12:19] <uga> kilrae: now reread your question and you'll know it's silly
[12:19] <uga> nosrednaekim: that's okay. "sucks" isn't
[12:19] <kilrae> you know what i mean :P
[12:19] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: whatever works for you, Konqueror doesn't work for me.
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> uga: k
[12:20] <uga> kilrae: most the "plugins" he mentions are "networking" stuff too
[12:20] <kilrae> actually, i think he means extensions
[12:20] <uga> kilrae: such as?
[12:20] <kilrae> adblock
[12:20] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: for me too
[12:20] <uga> kilrae: there's adblock for konqueror...
[12:20] <kilrae> of course since flash doesn't work in konqi you don't need adblock :)
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> !ot
[12:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: ANYWAY ;)
[12:21] <uga> kilrae: you're completely wrong for the 2nd time
[12:21] <kilrae> alright, umask\
[12:21] <kilrae> anybody?
[12:21] <kilrae> that's on topic-ish
[12:21] <Vermux> nosrednaekim:  however, citicards.com doesnt work for me with firefox? any idea?
[12:21] <uga> kilrae: settings->configure konqueror->adblock filters
[12:21] <BluesKaj> !info adblock
[12:21] <ubotu> Package adblock does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: probably an IE only site;)
[12:21] <uga> kilrae: why do people say "foo", when they mean "I don't even know"
[12:22] <kilrae> because foo is only one syllable?
[12:22] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: what do u mean by IE only site?? how can it be?
[12:22] <uga> yeah, just like "sucks", I guess
[12:22] <kilrae> there ya go
[12:22] <uga> kilrae: well, next time say "rocks" and "test"
[12:22] <uga> both short
[12:22] <kilrae> the katrina victims support page was IE only
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: they do it.... thats all I know.
[12:23] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: how do I verify it ?
[12:23] <kilrae> if you had a mac, you couldn't get government aid
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: send a nice email to the people.
[12:23] <uga> Vermux: uhm... what's your kde version? (help->about kde, in konqueror for example)
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: any problems with Kubuntu other than konqueror?
[12:24] <uga> Vermux: iirc there was an unofficial repository for newer kde packs by an ubuntu maintainer
[12:24] <uga> Vermux: yes, there: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> backports?
[12:25] <uga> Vermux: unless it's 3.5.7, you can update your packages from there, without installing gutsy
[12:25] <uga> nosrednaekim: not exactly a backport
[12:25] <Vermux> uga:  how do I check the version?
[12:25] <uga> Vermux: open konqueror: help->about kde
[12:26] <Vermux> uga: 3.5.6
[12:26] <uga> you could give it an upgrade following the instructions on that url
[12:26] <uga> 3.5.7 is the version in gutsy
[12:26] <Vermux> I will try
[12:27] <uga> I can read gmail just fine without setting the browser ID, here
[12:27] <uga> in html mode
[12:27] <uga> no trashing nor garbage
[12:28] <Vermux> uga:  but it says security updates wont be applied
[12:28] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: besides the half-dozen bugs I submitted that I had in the post? :)
[12:28] <maximus121> hi
[12:28] <maximus121> algum tuga por ai
[12:28] <uga> Vermux: I'm not sure if I've read about any security updates in 3.5.7...
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: lol...
[12:28] <uga> Vermux: else they'd release 3.5.8 soon?
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> !es
[12:28] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:28] <uga> nosrednaekim: that's not spanish
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: you have a macbook?
[12:29] <nosrednaekim> uga: portuguese?
[12:29] <nosrednaekim> italian?
[12:29] <maximus121> yes
[12:29] <uga> nosrednaekim: maybe portuguese, not sure. but definetely not spanish ;)
[12:29] <Vermux> uga: ok, I'll try to install it tomorrow
[12:29] <uga> !pt | maximus121
[12:29] <ubotu> maximus121: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[12:29] <Vermux> uga: anyway, thanks for all the help.
[12:29] <nosrednaekim> uga: its all Latin to me ;)
[12:29] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: I do.  I'm a glutton for alpha/beta/pioneer punishment
[12:30] <uga> Vermux: I used it while I was in feisty. Worked fine. And riddell is trustworthy ;)
[12:30] <uga> Vermux: else you could migrate to gutsy soon, anyway
[12:31] <Vermux> uga: riddel\?
[12:31] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: hehe... I did it because it made this laptop work much much better. sound all works and Wireless is a snap.
[12:31] <Vermux> !riddell
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about riddell - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <uga> Vermux: check the announcement. He's mentioned
[12:31] <uga> Vermux: and he's on the channel, so don't wake him up by writing the nick ;)
[12:31] <Vermux> uga: ok, the security signuture
[12:32] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: it appears that wireless is still buggy on this machine outside of ndiswrapper unfortunately
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: is it atheros?
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> most macs are.
[12:32] <Vermux> uga: thanks uga. will continue tomorrow
[12:33] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: yes, but the second gen C2D I have has a firmware upgrade supporting a/b/g/n, which breaks the madwifi
[12:33] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: building from the current madwifi trunk will work, but doesn't have the same speed as ndiswrapper.
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: ah...I see.
[12:34] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: normally I'm not a fan of the binary blobs ("it makes baby jesus cry" as they say), but you've got to draw the line somewhere
[12:34] <code_x> hi i has anyone here ever installing perl DBD::ODBC, iam getting errors, advice will be appreciated
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: indeed, I used ndiswrapper b4 gutsy. I tried for 3 weeks to get madwifi working.diagnosed it as trasmit errors. then I just gave up.
[12:36] <NickPresta> code_x, which errors? More information allows people to help you better and faster
[12:37] <UsThEre> hi all!
[12:37] <NickPresta> !hi | UsThEre
[12:37] <ubotu> UsThEre: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:37] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: I've got a whole long-list of kubuntu questions if ya'll have time.
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: just hi would probably be easier ;)
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> Zelut: fire away
[12:38] <UsThEre> ehehe i too
[12:39] <Zelut> nosrednaekim: any equivalent to gnome-open in KDE? When I was unsure the app to use to open a file I'd use gnome-open, the swiss-army knife tool as I call it.
[12:39] <code_x> first i installed unixodbc and freetds, now when i try installing DBD::ODBC i get the following error "You need to indicate where your ODBC Driver Manager is installed"


[15:03] <abogani> From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSProceedings/N/Final: "low-latency will remain a community supported flavour. "
[15:03] <falktx> hi abogani
[15:03] <falktx> abogani: do you plan to keep/maintain the natty lowlatency kernel ?
[15:08] <abogani> falktx: I really don't know.
[15:09] <falktx> abogani: it would be nice if you did
[15:10] <falktx> many people seem to use the lowlatency kernel, and I understand why
[15:10] <falktx> it's like realtime, but it doesnt have the issues
[15:10] <abogani> falktx: Not so much evidently.
[15:10] <scott-work> but firewire users will still need the realtime kernel :(
[15:35] <quadrispro> falktx, I had a look at j2sc
[15:36] <quadrispro> without trying, I should do it soon
[15:36] <falktx> quadrispro: it's outdated
[15:36] <quadrispro> falktx, does it work fine with jackd2?
[15:36] <quadrispro> ah well :)
[15:36] <quadrispro> scott-work, hello!
[15:36] <quadrispro> hi abogani !
[15:36] <falktx> quadrispro: let me push a new release to sourceforge...
[15:36] <quadrispro> falktx, take your time :)
[15:37] <scott-work> hi quadrispro , how are you doing
[15:38] <quadrispro> scott-work, fine here, thanks! and you?
[15:38] <scott-work> quadrispro: how hard do you think it would be add JACK functionality to an app like mumber?
[15:38] <scott-work> quadrispro: i'm overwhelmed right now by work and family life :/  i think i'm going slowly mad :P
[15:38] <scott-work> s/mumber/mumble
[15:39] <falktx> scott-work: i already have a patch for audio output through jack
[15:40] <scott-work> falktx: is it a patch that can be submitted into the archives?
[15:40] <scott-work> that would be my goal
[15:41] <holstein> its not ideal though
[15:41] <holstein> right falktx ?
[15:41] <holstein> just a quick and dirty fix?
[15:41] <falktx> holstein: yep, someone send it to me once
[15:41] <holstein> i think thats why its not submitted
[15:41] <falktx> yep
[15:41] <quadrispro> pardon, the phone
[15:43] <quadrispro> scott-work, no too hard, if done by upstream :) otherwise it needs a bit of time
[15:43] <falktx> quadrispro: you should check this - http://repo.or.cz/w/cadence.git
[15:43] <falktx> screenshot - http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpg
[15:43] <scott-work> quadrispro: eh, upstream didn't seem to happy about it really
[15:43] <falktx> not yet ready, but works
[15:44] <quadrispro> what's this falktx ?
[15:44] <scott-work> falktx: i like the little icons on the top, left
[15:45] <falktx> quadrispro: scott-work: my new app
[15:45] <falktx> or apps
[15:45] <falktx> just try it
[15:45] <quadrispro> cool, I will
[15:45] <falktx> get the code, compile (needs python and python-qt4-dev) an run "python src/catia.py"
[15:45] <falktx> quadrispro: tell me what you think
[15:48] <quadrispro> falktx, ah please, don't rely on a Makefile, use distutils instead
[15:48] <falktx> quadrispro: i have to check on a tutorial first
[15:48] <quadrispro> so: write a small setup.py script, it would be better to manage through DH
[15:49] <quadrispro> falktx, if I find some time, I'll provide you a brief script
[15:49] <falktx> i'll look into it later
[15:50] <falktx> quadrispro: what do you think about festige ?
[15:50] <falktx> i removed the pyjack dependency
[15:51] <quadrispro> scott-work, omg, I have ~30 channels,queries opened, I'm going mad too :(
[15:53] <quadrispro> falktx, sincerely: I don't remember :) there were some issues which blocked us to make a package...
[15:54] <falktx> quadrispro: i'll be happy to solve this issues
[15:55] <falktx> quadrispro: j2sc new release - https://sourceforge.net/projects/j2sc/files/0.1.1/
[15:56] <falktx> quadrispro: have you tried it?
[15:56] <quadrispro> not yet
[15:56] <quadrispro> falktx, please file an ITP for festige
[15:57] <falktx> ITP ?
[15:58] <quadrispro> Intent To Package
[15:58] <quadrispro> falktx, reportbug wnpp
[15:58] <quadrispro> no falktx, sorry
[15:59] <quadrispro> $ reportbug -B debian wnpp
[15:59] <falktx> i'll try
[15:59] <falktx> quadrispro: first time i do this...
[16:00] <scott-work> after natty seeds and the updated website progress a bit more i'm hoping to get a "Ubuntu Studio Store" started like cory had intended previously
[16:00] <quadrispro> falktx, there is always a first time :))
[16:00] <scott-work> i hope to use the proceeds to fund some development work
[16:00] <scott-work> e.g. adding JACK to mumble (or something similar)
[16:00] <falktx> scott-work: US store ?
[16:01] <scott-work> falktx: i imagine that i need to clear all this with canonical first, but i wanted to talk to linux outlaws about their store and hopefull it will be global (or US and non-US)
[16:01] <falktx> cool
[16:01] <quadrispro> guys, I have to leave
[16:01] <quadrispro> see you later
[16:01] <falktx> cya!
[16:02] <scott-work> by quadrispro
[16:02] <scott-work> er bye
[16:02] <quadrispro> byeguys
[16:03] <holstein> quadrispro: :)
[16:04]  * falktx just send the bug report to debian


[08:35] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Is Ubuntu an enterprise Linux distribution? @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/is-ubuntu-an-enterprise-linux-distribution
[08:40] <Unit193> Nah, but RedHat is.
[09:44] <guiverc> I very much suspect Canonical would disgree
[10:22] <paulw2> hi news letter people, took a look at the latest issue after many months of not doing so
[10:23] <paulw2> "Upcoming Meetings and Events" looks a little odd. Which time zone do those times refer to?
[10:24] <paulw2> Some of those meetings definitely don't take place any longer and the time for the Desktop meeting is wrong assuming UTC times.
[12:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: The Ubuntu Appliance portfolio @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/the-ubuntu-appliance-portfolio
[14:21] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Didier Roche: ZFS focus on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS: ZSys dataset layout @ https://didrocks.fr/2020/06/16/zfs-focus-on-ubuntu-20.04-lts-zsys-dataset-layout/
[19:25] <Bashing-om> paulw2: Welcome back !! - IRT "[10:23] <paulw2> "Upcoming Meetings and Events" looks a little odd. Which time zone do those times refer to?" that is a direct paste from the Fridge calendar. I do not know how we could change.
[19:28] <paulw2> Hi Bashing-om: well there is no Community Council or Membership board at the moment so the meetings don't take place and haven't for some time
[19:29] <paulw2> Also the Desktop team is at 13:30 UTC, 1430 UTC in Winter
[19:29] <paulw2> I'm afraid the Fridge calendar needs an update  :(
[19:34] <Bashing-om> paulw2: Uh Huh - I do not recall who maintains the calander, that we need to advise to change. In the meantime we can only use what we have.
[19:35] <paulw2> Back in my day it was jose (I think)
[19:38] <Bashing-om> paulw2: the times: "The calendar below is in GMT (no daylight savings)." - still trying to find out the maintainer.
[19:39] <Bashing-om> paulw2: "Fridge/Calendar (last edited 2020-04-24 17:45:51 by brian-murray)".
[19:42] <paulw2> I doubt that it's him although he may have had access to correct a specific entry
[19:46] <Bashing-om> paulw2: Sounds reasonable. Wildman had access to the Fridge, when he comes on I will ask him to see what he can find out.
[19:47] <paulw2> Yeah, I think only someone in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fridge group can edit/update
[19:48] <Bashing-om> paulw2: Howabout we add a note to "Upcoming Meetings and Events" that all times are GMT ? Sounds like a good thing to do.
[19:49] <paulw2> Good idea although I think UTC is *more* correct these days
[19:50] <paulw2> Someone should probably contact all the teams to confirm current times
[19:50] <paulw2> Anyway I'm not back. Just passing through. :)
[19:51] <Bashing-om> paulw2: Likely UTC is the more - however the Fridge notation is GMT.
[19:51] <paulw2> Yes, I saw that
[19:52] <Bashing-om> Going back now to working Gdoc - get it up to date :D
[21:15] <krytarik> paulw2, Bashing-om: Access to the Fridge calendar unfortunately isn't determined by who is on the ~ubuntu-fridge team, but who's Google address got added manually to it - and I don't think any of the current UWN/Fridge contributors got that, but pleia2 and tsimonq2 both might.
[21:20] <Bashing-om> krytarik: k - not really our worry - just we do need to advise the powers that be of the inaccuracy ?
[21:22] <krytarik> Who do mean by that really?  Those who can edit the calendar, or those whom the dates pertain to?
[21:22] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Those who maintain the calendar.
[21:23] <krytarik> But yeah, generally we rely on the teams that the dates pertain to, to notify us of any changes..
[21:28] <krytarik> Of course, and as indicated by who was the last editor, ideally some member(s) of the affected teams should be added as editors to the calendar and so be responsible to keep it updated themselves.
[21:33] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Getting the Fridge accurate maybe a real pain :(
[21:36] <krytarik> Well, if people don't feel responsible to get the correct meeting dates floating around, then I'd be just as well fine with dropping the use of the calendar entirely.
[21:39] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Well that is an option I had not considered - we do not want to be quilty of passing bad info.
[21:47] <krytarik> Bashing-om: If you are up to it, then you could try and contact the teams that still exist and ask if there are any updates - quite a few of them should have their own IRC channel.  And the teams that we can somehow confirm that they don't exist anymore or are stale for a long time, well of those we could simply drop any calendar entries of course.
[21:50] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Will be a learning experience but sure I can see what I am able to do.
[21:51] <krytarik> I mean, take your time, no hurry, etc..
[21:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: There are 12 regualr teams that contribute to the Fridge calander. Will be a while to see what the state of the teams are presently.
[23:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 635 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/06/15/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-635/ (by guiverc)


[11:50] <stelucz> Hi, could someone help me with apt proxy which is configured by MAAS, please? MAAS populates file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90curtin-aptproxy with "10-238-132-0--22.maas-internal" as proxy, but it is of course can not be resolved. e.g. running apt update: "Err:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[11:50] <stelucz> '10-238-132-0--22.maas-internal'


[02:05] <duflu> Hmm, great that Chrome 59's menus are following the Ambiance theme now, but slightly strange
[02:06] <duflu> Being consistent with the OS feels like the app itself has lost self-consistency
[06:00] <koza> morning folks
[06:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:36] <duflu> Morning koza, oSoMoN
[06:41] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:09] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hey, this might need a retry https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.3.3-0ubuntu1/+build/12706388
[07:38] <oSoMoN> ricotz, huh, indeed, good
[07:38] <oSoMoN> good catch
[07:39] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ever seen this kind of "waiting for lock" issue when building LO ?
[07:39] <oSoMoN> didrocks, hey, can you help with retrying https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.3.3-0ubuntu1/+build/12706388 ?
[07:40] <didrocks> oSoMoN: so cancel + retry, correct?
[07:40] <oSoMoN> didrocks, yes please
[07:40] <didrocks> cancelling in progress
[07:41] <Laney> moin
[07:42] <didrocks> hey Laney, on your way?
[07:42] <Laney> hi didrocks
[07:42] <Laney> yeah, on the train
[07:42] <ricotz> oSoMoN, never seen this yet
[07:42] <Laney> how's it going?
[07:42] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ever this that kind of deadlock?
[07:42] <didrocks> oSoMoN: not at the time I was building openoffice
[07:43] <didrocks> (cancelling as well I guess will take time…)
[07:43] <didrocks> Laney: good, yourself?
[07:43] <Laney> decent
[07:43] <Laney> just crossed the Trent
[07:43] <didrocks> oSoMoN: retried
[07:43] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[07:44] <didrocks> yw
[07:44] <ricotz> thanks
[07:48]  * Laney is le warm
[07:49] <didrocks> open the window (if you can)
[07:49] <didrocks> then it's noise vs warm
[07:49] <didrocks> your pick :)
[07:50] <Laney> can't, they need a special key
[07:50] <Laney> :'(
[07:53] <didrocks> so, I guess there are some AC (which is defective)?
[08:00] <jamesh> so I guess today is when the UK reelects Theresa May?
[08:21] <Trevinho> hey guys...
[08:21] <Trevinho> Anyone know what's wrong with fonts-noto-cjk ?
[08:24] <Trevinho> If I keep it installed, all the times I rebuild something (like any gnome app) and I run it  again libfreetypes takes *seconds* (10?) to rebuild its cache (I guess)...
[08:24] <Trevinho> Strace just points at it
[08:24] <Trevinho> uninstalling it makes things better
[08:28] <Laney> fraid not
[08:28] <Trevinho> anyway... keep it in mind... At least when running from a jhbuild... Or my jhbuild .:o
[08:29] <Trevinho> tested in 4 artful machines.
[08:30] <Laney> it's not something that users do all the time
[08:30] <Laney> but I guess if you find time to debug it, go wild :-)
[08:30] <Trevinho> mh, not really :-D
[08:31] <Trevinho> but i guess it's because it needs a new cache for whatever reason...
[08:33] <Laney> not sure what invalidates the cache
[08:33] <Laney> jhbuild has triggers for some stuff, maybe this too
[08:34] <Trevinho> hey willcooke
[08:35] <willcooke> morning
[08:35] <willcooke> how goes Trevinho?
[08:35]  * Trevinho sorounded by monitors.... feels well...
[08:35] <Trevinho> willcooke: can I bring home one of these XPS's? I'll send it back, promise! :-D
[08:35] <Laney> do you have a hidpi machine?
[08:35] <Trevinho> nope...
[08:35] <willcooke> Fine by me, but check with, erm, maybe YC?
[08:35] <Laney> yeah
[08:35] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:35] <Laney> you there?
[08:35] <Trevinho> I've not, but for debugging I prefer a normal one....
[08:36] <Trevinho> while it's nice for testing real world...
[08:36] <willcooke> Laney, just arrived.  I'll email you a map which might be useful
[08:36] <Laney> O_O
[08:36] <Trevinho> YC?
[08:36] <willcooke> Trevinho, https://directory.canonical.com/orgchart/YC%20Cheng/
[08:37] <willcooke> Sat just outside Blackfriars for 10 mins
[08:37] <Trevinho> ah, ok I know him.
[08:57] <clobrano-> Trevinho, I guess Noto files are just huge (the smaller file is 16MB, while ubuntu-font-family files are ~KBs)
[08:58] <Trevinho> clobrano-: yeah, I noticed...
[08:58] <Trevinho> I uninstalled that for now, I'm just wondering if there's a way to avoid to recache it all the times *something* changes...
[08:58] <Trevinho> (not sure what=
[09:00] <willcooke> hey clobrano- - how are you?
[09:01] <clobrano-> hey willcooke, I'm fine, thanks! You?
[09:01] <willcooke> Not bad!
[09:03] <clobrano-> willcooke, great :)
[10:00] <duflu> Wow, bugfix finished at 6pm
[10:00] <duflu> That never happens
[10:00] <duflu> later
[10:23] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[10:24] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Morning. I saw photos. Where are you?
[10:24] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, London office
[10:24] <flexiondotorg> :-)
[10:25] <flexiondotorg> You're there tomorrow as well?
[10:26] <seb128> yes
[10:28] <flexiondotorg> I'll see if I can re-organise things and come to the office tomorrow.
[10:30] <seb128> nice
[14:05] <jbicha> https://jeremy.bicha.net/2017/06/07/gnome-tweak-tool-3-25-2/
[14:06] <jbicha> I'd like to discuss whether we'd like to install GNOME Tweak Tool by default, should we discuss that at a weekly meeting or what?
[14:08] <seb128> jbicha, on the mailing list maybe and then conclusion round in the meeting?
[14:10] <jbicha> ok
[14:12] <seb128> it's a bit non-Ubuntu "pick right defaults, make things easy, don't propose too many option that confuse users" in spirit no?
[14:14] <jbicha> yes, maybe
[14:14] <didrocks> IMHO, we should rather have options which makes sense to us migrated to g-c-c (hopefully, talking with upstream first)
[14:15] <Laney> seb128: willcooke: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/hexchat
[14:15] <jbicha> didrocks: I agree…except that it's really difficult to add things there that they don't want
[14:16] <jbicha> for instance, I think they aren't interested in a theme selector or window button configurator
[14:16] <jbicha> one individual told me they didn't want a theme selector because they didn't want to be blamed for bugs in 3rd party themes(!)
[14:16] <seb128> didrocks, +1
[14:17]  * Laney nod
[14:20] <didrocks> jbicha: the g-c-c maintainer is living 2km from my home, I'm sure I can smooth the discussion :)
[14:20] <didrocks> but no promise :)
[14:20] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1705.2/02534.html ?
[14:23] <jbicha> didrocks: it might be useful to find out which features he would be interested in adding to g-c-c before someone writes the patches
[14:23] <didrocks> jbicha: it would be even more useful to list what we think makes sense to expose to our users first :)
[14:24] <seb128> jbicha, I don't think we are interested in things like a window button configurator either, I don't think that's something anyone has been requesting/complaining about for years
[14:24] <jbicha> seb128: lots of people want to be able to flip the buttons to the other side
[14:24] <jbicha> we could do like Ubuntu GNOME and every GNOME distro and Windows and put them on the right
[14:25] <jbicha> or we could do like Unity and put them on the left
[14:25] <gQuigs> btw, did the survey come out yet?  cause that was one of the questions IIRC
[14:25] <jbicha> either way, there are a lot of people who will think we chose wrong and would like to be able to easily change it back
[14:26] <Laney> Even if things are in Tweak Tool, and it's not installed by default, it's easy enough for people to get it
[14:26] <seb128> jbicha, how much is "lots"? I don't think we had any of our partner/oems raising that as an issue for unity
[14:27] <jbicha> oems != users (or at least they are only one specific kind of user)
[14:27] <seb128> well we didn't get any IRC/list/launchpad/forum question about that for years
[14:27] <seb128> i don't think it bothers users much
[14:28] <didrocks> and as Laney said, I think people motivated to move those settings will find how to install tweak tool from the archive
[14:28] <didrocks> we should still think if there is anything that isn't exposed that we want to though
[14:29] <didrocks> (but I agree that windows control side doesn't seem a good fit to me there)
[14:29] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778677#c11
[14:30] <jbicha> comment 11, the intent is to have GNOME Software point to Tweak Tool to configure GNOME Shell extensions
[14:32] <gQuigs> I was going to say full disabling of trackpad.. but that looks like it's already in the tentative design - https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Mouse#Tentative_Design..
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, weird user experience to drop users to a power user tools tweak with a stack of settings, seems not really GNOMEish
[14:35] <seb128> we never installed ccsm by default either
[14:35] <jbicha> seb128: I know, right? it might even be part of core GNOME in the near future, which is different from what I had been hearing from GNOME for years about it
[14:35] <seb128> though quite some users liked to tweak their compiz
[14:35] <jbicha> I also think it would be ok to not show Desktop icons by default, but without a toggle switch to re-enable that old feature, it's a harder "sell"
[14:38] <seb128> another tricky topic
[14:39] <seb128> desktop icons is something lot of users are used to
[14:39] <Laney> why is an old feature?
[14:39] <Laney> it
[14:39] <jbicha> Laney: well it wasn't in Unity8 which was the future ;)
[14:39] <jbicha> the Nautilus maintainer doesn't like the feature
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, have you tried running the latest chromium in a kvm guest? I get a blank initial tab nearly every time (the page loads but nothing is rendered in it)
[14:42] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, no, I’ve done all my testing in virtualbox VMs
[14:42] <seb128> jbicha, unity is because they were putting something else on the desktop
[14:42] <seb128> and that conflicted
[14:42] <seb128> which GNOME is not doing
[14:43] <jbicha> GNOME puts full-screen apps on the desktop
[14:44] <jbicha> remember GNOME doesn't have a minimize button so it's kind of difficult to see the desktop after you've been using the computer for a few minutes
[14:45] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, are you seeing that with all ubuntu releases as guests?
[14:46] <seb128> jbicha, GNOME let you configure what buttons you have, I expect us to keep the 3 we have on the left
[14:46] <jbicha> seb128: why on the left?
[14:46] <seb128> because it's what Ubuntu is doing for like 7 years?
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, the ones I've tried, yes (xenial / zesty)
[14:46] <seb128> and what our users are used to
[14:47] <jbicha> that's only what Unity users are used to; most potential new users are not used to buttons on the left
[14:47] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, I’ll set up some KVM guests and will see if I can see that
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:48] <didrocks> buttons on the left was pre-unity
[14:48] <mdeslaur> jbicha: sure they are, os x has buttons on the left too
[14:48] <didrocks> (10.04)
[14:48] <jbicha> mdeslaur: you don't mean to say that most potential new Ubuntu users use OS X? ;)
[14:49] <jbicha> some of those potential users are coming from other Linux distros too
[14:49] <mdeslaur> wait, do people still use windows? :)
[14:49] <seb128> jbicha, you seem to expect that switch desktop shell is going to bring us a ton of new users magically over night? ;-)
[14:49] <jbicha> kenvandine: which windows button side was preferred in the poll?
[14:49] <seb128> jbicha, I think Ubuntu userbase is not going to change overnight
[14:50] <jbicha> seb128: I expect we will gain some users that switched to other GNOME distros
[14:50] <jbicha> and lose some users to other Ubuntu flavors
[14:51] <jbicha> some have threatened to move to other GNOME distros but I'm not sure there's solid reasoning for that…
[14:52] <gQuigs> buttons the left and top left hot corner in GNOME don't work well in my testing
[14:52] <ogra> better drop the top left hot corner then ;)
[14:52] <mdeslaur> oh I hope we're disabling the hot corner
[14:52] <ogra> +1
[14:52] <mdeslaur> :)
[14:52] <gQuigs> again, isn't there a survey being done on this?
[14:52] <jbicha> why do y'all hat the hot corner?
[14:52] <ogra> its unintuitive and often in my way
[14:53] <seb128> because it's frustrating to use
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> I've got a simple answer to this - put the buttons on both sides
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> sorry
[14:53] <mdeslaur> heh
[14:53] <oSoMoN> :)
[14:53] <ogra> chrisccoulson, nah ... center them!
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:53] <jbicha> seb128: the maximize button doesn't really make sense except for tradition
[14:53] <ogra> "we went for the best compromise we could find"
[14:53] <gQuigs> I got it.. just get rid of all the buttons!   who needs them anyway!
[14:54] <seb128> jbicha, why? how do you put gedit maximized without it?
[14:54] <jbicha> seb128: did you read my blog post?
[14:54] <seb128> no, and most our users problably didn't either :p
[14:55] <seb128> well I had a look over it but I'm in a meeting
[14:55] <seb128> trying to not be too distracted
[14:55] <gQuigs> you just move gedit to the top of the screen and it maximes
[14:55] <seb128> if you know about that
[14:55] <ogra> how is m mom supposed to grok that ?
[14:55] <ogra> *my mom
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> I use the maximize button a lot. It's significantly more discoverable than either of the other 2 options
[14:56] <ogra> yeah
[14:56] <mdeslaur> wow, I never knew dragging a window to the top would maximize it
[14:56] <jbicha> mdeslaur: works the same way on Windows :)
[14:57] <jbicha> you can even right click on the title bar to maximize
[14:57] <mdeslaur> why bother when you have a cool maximize button? :)
[14:57] <seb128> I only trigger that maximize-on-top by error when I don't want to use it in fact
[14:57] <jbicha> so there are a lot of ways to do it
[14:57] <mdeslaur> and the maximize button works great with a touch screen :)
[14:57] <jbicha> mdeslaur: so do 2 of the 3 options we've mentioned
[14:57] <seb128> jbicha, windows has the button still no?
[14:58] <jbicha> (the 3rd option is double-clicking the titlebar)
[15:02] <jbicha> in my opinion, the dedicated maximize button is the slowest way to maximize a window so I end up never using it
[15:02] <seb128> I only use that
[15:03] <seb128> I can't get used to the dnd to top and right click on decoration is not something I use
[15:03] <seb128> anyway it doesn't use much space
[15:03] <seb128> and windows has it
[15:05] <seb128> well my opinion anyway, we should probably discuss that on the list as well
[15:05] <jbicha> with current Ambiance, it's a very small button to click Maximize
[15:05] <jbicha> I kinda want to see what the poll numbers say about preferred placement first…
[15:06] <jbicha> 7 years ago, left buttons weren't popular: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-window-buttons-staying-left-but-will-be-switching-order
[15:06] <mdeslaur> change wasn't very popular
[15:06] <mdeslaur> and you want to change it again
[15:07] <gQuigs> change interfaces is never popular
[15:08] <ogra> yeah ... so just dont do it ;)
[15:09] <gQuigs> lol.. if we followed that we also wouldn't be moving to GNOME...  err.. well we would have never switched so I guess we would still be on GNOME..
[15:10] <jbicha> gQuigs: and the window buttons would have stayed on the right! :)
[15:13] <pisi0> Did Ubuntu developers discuss GNOME 3.26? Which is coming with ubuntu 17.10, 3.24 or 3.26?
[15:13] <jbicha> here's some bugs with the redesigned gnome-control-center (targeted for 3.26): https://bicha.net/i/gnome-control-center-alt-ambiance-left.png
[15:13] <seb128> pisi0, not yet
[16:40] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, I’m seeing the blank page in a xenial guest indeed, looks like it’s doing that only on chrome://welcome, other chrome:// pages are fine
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, it does it everywhere with me - eg, if I launch it with a URL on the commandline
[16:45] <oSoMoN> mmm, indeed
[16:45] <oSoMoN> same here
[16:46] <oSoMoN> but it’s only the first tab that’s affected, others are fine
[16:47] <oSoMoN> in fact the first page render in the first tab, because then if I browse to a different URL in that same tab the page renders fine
[16:49] <oSoMoN> this is annoying
[17:14] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, latest release of chrome is not affected
[17:53] <xnox> is there an example of a bug with gnome bugtracker linked to launchpad/
[17:53] <xnox> ?
[17:55] <sarnold> xnox: when I try to associate one I get an error message "Launchpad does not recognize the bug tracker at this URL"
[17:55] <jbicha> xnox: I'm not sure I understand your question, but maybe https://bugzilla.gnome.org/764029
[17:56] <xnox> ooh ooh i found one
[17:56] <xnox> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140751#c27
[17:56] <xnox> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/494067
[17:58] <sarnold> that's mozilla.org not gnome.org
[17:58] <sarnold> are you sure you found what you wanted? :)
[18:51] <Beret> is there a list of the proposed default extensions anywhere?
[18:51] <Beret> I've seen the omgubuntu article
[18:51] <Beret> but I'm not aware of a definitive list if there is one yet
[19:06] <kenvandine> Beret, the poll results will be published real soon
[19:07] <Beret> ok
[19:49] <sunweaver> hi everyone
[19:50] <sunweaver> can anyone tell me how the greeter frontend is launched when the user locks his/her session?
[19:52] <sunweaver> I know that there must be some comm on com.canonical.Unity via DBus.
[19:52] <sunweaver> However, I don't see clearly how the switch to the greeter (for locking the screen) happens.
[19:53] <sunweaver> does that lockscreen greeter process run as the logged-in user? Or under the lightdm account?
[19:54] <mdeslaur> sunweaver: the user's lock screen is drawn by unity itself inside the session, it doesn't use the greeter
[19:54] <sarnold> sunweaver: maybe this discussion is helpful? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1663157
[19:55] <sunweaver> mdeslaur: what code portion do I find the lock screen drawing in?
[19:55] <sunweaver> the point is...
[19:56] <mdeslaur> sunweaver: the unity source package:
[19:56] <mdeslaur> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity
[19:56] <sunweaver> I wonder how the indicator-session indicator could launch a lock screen in non-Unity without the greeter.
[19:56] <sunweaver> currently I get a "This screen is locked" lock screen. You should be redirected to the unlock page.
[19:57] <sunweaver> note, I have a variant of the unity-greeter running on Debian and use patched indicators in a MATE session
[19:57] <mdeslaur> what screensaver does MATE use?
[19:57] <sunweaver> mate-screensaver
[19:58] <sunweaver> but I thought it would be nice having a lockscreen that resemble the look'n'feel of the greeter.
[19:58] <sunweaver> I'll study the above URLs tomorrow.
[19:58] <sunweaver> Thanks you!!!
[21:06] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning, it looks like ken pushed your gnome-shell ubuntu5 change to bzr, do you want to rebase and push your ubuntu6 there?
[21:07] <jbicha> we should update the Vcs field
[21:07] <robert_ancell> jbicha, oh, I wasn't aware it was in bzr
[21:08] <jbicha> maybe it will be in git later this year… :)
[21:11] <robert_ancell> jbicha, both fixed
[21:11] <robert_ancell> Yeah, I think we're going to have to consider packaging branches at some point
[21:25] <jbicha> hmm, I've gotten very used to the hotcorner, it will take some time for me to get used to it disabled
[21:33] <ricotz> jbicha, robert_ancell, heya
[21:33] <ricotz> what is the state of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/0.36.3-1~git1
[21:35] <robert_ancell> jdstrand, ^
[21:35] <robert_ancell> Stuck in NEW queue
[21:35] <robert_ancell> ricotz, hey
[21:35] <jbicha> ricotz: someone from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members needs to let it through the new queue
[21:36] <jbicha> I asked in #ubuntu-release yesterday but no response
[21:36] <ricotz> heh, yeah, that is clear to me ;)
[21:36] <ricotz> was more aiming for the reason why
[21:36] <jbicha> I'd also like to start the evolution transition
[21:37] <ricotz> alright
[21:37] <jbicha> some people (who?) are at a sprint this week
[21:37] <robert_ancell> ricotz, yeah, It generally is just people getting busy. There's really no reason why Vala should be a complex change
[21:40] <robert_ancell> jbicha, where is the best place to find the list of official GNOME apps?
[21:40] <robert_ancell> I'm writing a mailing list post to propose GNOME Maps
[21:40] <ricotz> robert_ancell, yeah, that is fine, in this case the story is a bit longer even ;)
[23:37] <jbicha> robert_ancell: the jhbuild modulesets are the official list from GNOME's Release Team
[23:37] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets/gnome-suites-core-3.26.modules
[23:38] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/jhbuild/tree/modulesets
[23:38] <robert_ancell> jbicha, thanks, I though that was the case
[23:38] <jbicha> see also this post from a year ago: https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2016/09/21/gnome-3-22-core-apps/
[23:39] <jbicha> some of the statements in that post are controversial but it's still useful in a way
[23:39] <jbicha> I was thinking about changing the ubuntu-desktop seed to more closely relate to the jhbuild modulesets
[23:40] <jbicha> I had done that to some degree with ubuntu-gnome's seed
[23:41] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I think that's the trend we should follow, but I guess we have to consider the workload of maintaining that many apps in an official capacity.
[23:42] <robert_ancell> I think since the core apps have very good design they're generally uncontrovercial to provide to users by default.
[23:44] <robert_ancell> What are the main ones we're missing? Photos (replace Shotwell?), Weather, Clocks, Boxes (I think this is not essential)
[23:44] <jbicha> several of the missing GNOME Core apps are because Ubuntu currently has a replacement (Shotwell, rhythmbox, gucharmap, gnome-system-log)
[23:44] <jbicha> Boxes is an odd app that I'd rather not ship unless someone does more maintenance of it on Ubuntu
[23:45] <robert_ancell> That's too much of a power-user app
[23:45] <robert_ancell> Let them install it manually
[23:45] <jbicha> yes
[23:45] <robert_ancell> As long as the replacements for gucharmap and gnome-system-log are better they should be easy to switch to
[23:45] <jbicha> Ubuntu GNOME did not include gnome-clocks because I thought bug 1583660 was bad for that kind of app
[23:46] <robert_ancell> That shouldn't be too hard to fix
[23:46] <jbicha> robert_ancell: that would be great! I think gnome-todo has a background service now that you could borrow from if needed
[23:46] <robert_ancell> That wasn't me volunteering :)
[23:47] <jbicha> suddenly, I can't hear you any more ;)
[23:47] <robert_ancell> But we should raise it as a Trello task on the backlog/proposed
[23:47] <jbicha> I'm going to propose Weather on the desktop list
[23:49] <jbicha> otherwise, clocks is pretty useful too


[00:08] <cmaloney> Evening
[01:01] <cscheib> nice evening to finally fire up the grill
[01:02] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's gorgeous out
[01:23] <cscheib> made wings on the grill, pulled pork in the dutch oven... yay for efficient usage of time
[01:24] <cscheib> bonus: girlfriend actually helped clean significantly this time
[01:48] <wolfger> +1
[12:15] <brousch> rick_h_: Yesterday you mentioned woodworking and kayaking. This was a project someone did at my old makerspace https://goo.gl/photos/yJV2Fo1MXMzVogTF7
[12:15] <brousch> Hand-made wood sea kayak
[12:15] <rick_h_>  brousch yea, those are so cool
[12:16] <brousch> It was hard to get pictures of, but was really nice
[12:17] <brousch> Hm, and I like Google Photos better than google+ photos already. I can get a shareable link without having to actually share it on Google+
[12:18] <rick_h_> yea, they fixed the whole "thou shalt use G+ or nothing!" in it
[12:20] <brousch> Oh man, I just realized I never went through our Vegas/Grand Canyon photos. Some nice panos in there
[12:20] <rick_h_> :)
[12:25] <brousch> Only 376 photos
[12:30] <brousch> Moar kayak, and beer! http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2015/06/paddle_for_pints_traverse_city.html
[12:33] <cmaloney> morning
[12:34] <rick_h_> brousch: lol
[12:34] <rick_h_> morning
[12:34] <brousch> I wonder if there's a winery version of that
[13:35] <cmaloney> Good morning part 2. :)
[13:41] <brousch> Second morning?
[13:46] <cmaloney> yeah, I rebooted my machine
[13:46] <rick_h_> hobbit work day
[13:48] <cmaloney> heh
[14:14] <cmaloney> http://windowsserver.uservoice.com/forums/295047-general-feedback/suggestions/7996191-change-the-installation-option-for-windows-server
[14:14] <cmaloney> What happens when Microsoft takes away a GUI option in the server.
[15:23] <cmaloney> I'm getting the itch again for making a static site and using Pelican
[15:25] <greg-g> "Not everyone can code, use PS, use cmd line. The older generation grew up with code so they tent to use it more, the new generation who are taking over sys admin roles like GUI because it just works, its 100 times quicker than faffing about writing PS scripts and then theirs the whole desktop Start menu debacle."
[15:25] <cmaloney> greg-g: I about fell off my chair when I read that.
[15:25] <jrwren> greg-g: who said that?
[15:27] <cmaloney> I tent to use the cmd line.
[15:28] <jrwren> cmaloney: lol
[15:28] <jrwren> i login and flag as inappropriate
[15:28] <rick_h_> lol
[15:28] <rick_h_> good call
[15:29] <rick_h_> "you're clearly too dumb to participate in this discussion"
[15:29] <cmaloney> jrwren: nice
[15:29] <cmaloney> Now now rick_h_, this is a self-selecting herd.
[15:29] <cmaloney> They're the ones that take Windows Server seriously.
[15:30] <cmaloney> (tongue firmly in cheek. Windows Server has its place)
[15:30] <jrwren> its place in the garbage. am I right? :)
[15:32] <cmaloney> Well, when interoperating with Microsoft's ecosystem there's nothing better
[15:32] <cmaloney> though I prefer not participating in that ecosystem.
[15:40] <wolfger> greg-g: GUI "just works"?
[15:40] <wolfger> jrwren: ++
[15:41] <wolfger> silly admin, Windows are for games
[15:42] <jrwren> zomg, starcraft2!
[15:44] <greg-g> I thought fallout 4 was all the rage right now?
[15:44] <greg-g> pre-rage, I guess?
[15:46] <_stink_> that's my normal emotional state: pre-rage
[15:48] <greg-g> _stink_: there's a zen koan somewhere in that
[15:55] <cmaloney> pretty sure there's nothing zen about rage.
[15:56] <cmaloney> or if there is then I'm a zen master
[15:57] <_stink_> hah
[15:58] <wolfger> zen rage.  The software continues.
[18:02]  * cmaloney isn't going to let the software get a break.
[18:02] <cmaloney> *whipcrack*
[18:04] <greg-g> that's what Evan P told me re identi.ca
[18:04] <greg-g> ;)
[18:05] <cmaloney> ANd it's still going
[18:05] <cmaloney> although slowly.
[18:05] <cmaloney> problem with identi.ca is they took away all of the clients when they migrated
[18:05] <cmaloney> statusnet had Twitter compatibility
[18:06] <cmaloney> so it was pretty easy to create new clients for it.
[18:06] <cmaloney> pump.io isn't as easy
[18:06] <cmaloney> so it doesn't have the drop-in replacement
[18:07] <cmaloney> I think pump.io is great, but it's never going to mature
[18:07] <cmaloney> partially because the interface isn't there to support it and it's exceptionally complicated to follow anyone
[18:08] <cmaloney> identi.ca (Statusnet) had the advantage of being a reasonable walled-garden
[18:09] <cmaloney> Most folks you wanted to follow were already on identi.ca (or were at one point)
[18:09] <cmaloney> Pump.io doesn't have the discoverability.
[18:09] <cmaloney> What makes Bookie different is Bookie doesn't rely on third-parties for communication. It can be personal
[18:10] <cmaloney> I have a feeling it'll be part of OwnCloud at some point (if it isn't already)
[18:11] <cmaloney> Bah, they have their own
[19:18] <greg-g> my god it's nice outside
[19:18] <greg-g> there are nice things about working SF. The bay is nice. Walking to the bay is smelly and crowded, but, when you get there it's beautiful
[19:20] <_stink_> who replaced greg-g
[19:20] <jrwren> i could say teh same things, just replace bay with river :p
[19:29] <greg-g> _stink_: the sunshine :)
[19:29] <_stink_> heh
[20:14] <cmaloney> http://www.reddit.com/r/Michigan/comments/38gfr4/
[20:14] <cmaloney> rick_h_: ^^
[20:27] <jrwren> wow, quite a few breweries in that list whose product I've not drank
[21:00] <brousch> There is a lot of wine and beer in the Traverse area that I have not imbibed
[21:00] <jrwren> NEW LIFE GOAL!
[21:14] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :) http://www.rei.com/product/882595/wilderness-systems-tarpon-120-angler-kayak should be to the store for pick up between now and Tues :)
[21:14] <rick_h_> you can come on up and sit on the back if you want. drink your beer with your feet in the water with fish nibbling your toes
[21:18] <cmaloney> rick_h_: First course of business: win the lottery.
[21:18] <cmaloney> second course of business: buy all the bug spray
[21:19] <cmaloney> Oh, this is the one you bought?
[21:19] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea
[21:19] <cmaloney> Why does it look like something that should be on a blue board with little pegs on it?
[21:19] <rick_h_> going up to my aunt/uncle's place on houghten lake next weekend so want it for that
[21:19] <rick_h_> lol
[21:20] <rick_h_> hard to sink
[21:20] <cmaloney> heh
[21:21] <cmaloney> Flint or Dusk?
[21:21] <rick_h_> dusk
[21:21] <rick_h_> want to be visible
[21:21] <rick_h_> so loud orange it is
[21:21] <cmaloney> Yeah, it doesn't look that bad in dusk
[21:21] <rick_h_> will take it on some lakes around here with there are real boaters
[21:21] <cmaloney> I'm usually more of a grey on black sort of guy but dusk looks nice.
[21:21] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That's what the loud life-jacket is for
[21:21] <rick_h_> yea, I worry about visibility to the big motor boards
[21:22] <cscheib> anyone know east-siders (Grosse Pointe) that do basement leak repair and/or mold removal?
[21:22] <cmaloney> cscheib: I hope you're asking for a friend
[21:22] <cscheib> heh, nope
[21:22] <cscheib> I got a no-look quote of $3500 for leak repair
[21:23] <cscheib> the leak's not so bad, as long as the downspouts are drained far enough away
[21:23] <cmaloney> Ugh
[21:23] <cscheib> working on tear-down myself
[21:23] <cmaloney> we  have some leaks in our basement as well
[21:23] <cscheib> and at least addressing the surface mold
[21:23] <cmaloney> though I think we're going to try patching them ourselves
[21:23] <cmaloney> the mold is another matter entirely.
[21:24] <cscheib> indeed
[21:25] <cscheib> I doubt I have the kind of money for them to do the whole spiel
[21:25] <cscheib> so I'm taking my chances with respirator and moldstat plus
[21:25] <cmaloney> Good luck
[21:25] <cmaloney> That shit is nasty.
[21:30] <cscheib> as long as I can get things in a sellable state, I'll be happy.  Probably about time for me to get a home warranty again, as it's darn near time for my furnace to die, and I'd rather not shoulder that expense
[21:43] <jrwren> have you identified the leaks?
[21:43] <jrwren> rod holes are easy to repair yourself.
[22:26] <cscheib> jrwren: looks like crack along the seams in the block
[23:17] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ no more bookie? sorry to hear that.