[03:53] <sid>  @schedule New_York
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[03:54] <sid> @schedule New_York
[03:54] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 28 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 18:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 16:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 11:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 07:00: Community Council
[03:55] <sid> ahh, I had a space. :/
[02:27] <shawarma> @schedule copenhagen
[02:27] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 28 Mar 22:00: Edubuntu | 29 Mar 00:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 22:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 17:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 13:00: Community Council
[07:14] <BFTD> @schedule los_angeles
[07:14] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 28 Mar 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 15:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 13:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 08:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 04:00: Community Council
[10:00] <sbalneav> Present, Mr. Grawert
[10:01] <ogra> great
[10:02] <ajmitch> yay
[10:02] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[10:02] <Burgwork> greetings
[10:02] <ogra> so from a tech POV ...
[10:02] <ogra> we got the beta out of the door :)
[10:02] <ajmitch> yay
[10:02] <sbalneav> \o/ for Ollie
[10:02] <ogra> there are some bugs with the docs and the artwork ....
[10:03] <pips1> namely?
[10:03] <sbalneav> Do tel
[10:03] <sbalneav> ;
[10:03] <ogra> i'm currently working through the artwork stuff ... and kudos to LaserJock who does the docs
[10:03] <pips1> missing icons for GDM
[10:03] <ogra> and to sbalneav indeed for fixing the ltsp documents
[10:03] <ogra> pips1, and wrong vendor logo
[10:03] <sbalneav> Meh, did my bit.
[10:04] <pips1> \o/ for sbalneav and LaserJock
[10:04] <ogra> the handbook stuff looks pretty neat
[10:04] <ogra> sadly somehow the patch for yelp to fix the TOC didnt make it in or got lost
[10:04] <sbalneav> I did a whole whack of re-org too, to make it (what I thought) was a bit more sane.
[10:05] <ogra> currently there is no trace of the handbook in yelp if you dont search for ltsp or edubuntu
[10:05] <pips1> so where do I find the ltsp documentation on my feisty box?
[10:05] <ogra> anyway, thats for the doc section
[10:05] <pips1> right
[10:05] <ogra> open yelp and search for ltsp
[10:05] <ogra> we need to advertise the addon CD a bit i think
[10:05] <ogra> sbalneav, already did an awesome blogpost about that ;)
[10:06] <sbalneav> How much more time do we have on adding things to the manual?
[10:06] <ogra> apart from that i have some small ltsp bugs on my list, and a dia upgrade is waiting
[10:07] <ogra> trying to get the ltsp list empty beyond the whishlist bugs
[10:07] <ogra> sbalneav, herd6 is scheduled for 5th
[10:07] <ogra> so with 3-4 days of pre-herd freeze the 2nd or 3rd should be the date of last changes
[10:07] <sbalneav> ok, so if I set aside 6 hours this weekend to add/expand a few more things, we'll get it in?
[10:08] <sbalneav> Done.
[10:08] <ogra> i think so
[10:08] <sbalneav> Perfect.
[10:08] <pips1> go sbalneav go!
[10:08] <pips1> :)
[10:08] <ogra> yay
[10:08] <ogra> \o/
[10:08] <ogra> next meeting i'D like to start collecting spec suggestions for UDS
[10:09] <sbalneav> Well, what with my huge thing at work, I didn't get ANY time to work on LTSP stuff this time around, but I can at least claim to have improved the manual somewhat, so I don't feel quite as guilty.
[10:09] <ogra> i already have a good list for ltsp suff and lots leftovers from feisty as well
[10:09] <sbalneav> LDAP
[10:09] <ogra> but we should also look at new things
[10:09] <ajmitch> sbalneav: and I thought you didn't want it ;)
[10:09] <ogra> for ldap i'D really see pam improved first but i think ajmitch is already fixing a lot in that area
[10:10] <LaserJock> sorry, lunch
[10:10] <ogra> hey LaserJock
[10:10] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[10:10] <sbalneav> heh, said I didn't LIKE ldap, not that I didn't want it.  We NEED it.  It's just not an easy service to deal with :)
[10:10] <ogra> who is lunch ? do i know her ?
[10:10] <ajmitch> sbalneav: then lets make it easy
[10:10] <sbalneav> heh, I like your gumption.
[10:11] <ogra> what ltsp needs is an ldm overhaul and new speed profiling the last time we did that was in dapper and ltsp is grown big enough to focus on speed again
[10:11] <sbalneav> yes.
[10:11] <ogra> so i'd like to put focus on these two
[10:12] <ogra> apart from network auth for which we hopefuly can inherit most parts from ubuntu
[10:13] <sbalneav> As well, I should have something to demo for a combined LDM/XDMCP localdev communications channel by then, so for low end boxes that need to use XDMCP, localdev will work the same way.
[10:13] <sbalneav> ogra: add i18n for LDM to the list
[10:13] <sbalneav> SOmeone last night was asking about -zh support for LDM
[10:13] <ogra> sbalneav, thats on my list since ages :P
[10:13] <ogra> i want to redo the gui completely
[10:14] <pips1> so the ubuntu network-auth is making progress, then?
[10:14] <ogra> including transalatability
[10:14] <sbalneav> I'd love to learn.  Being an ignorant North American, I have no clue how to deal with anything other than ASCII and English, but I WANT to learn.
[10:14] <ogra> pips1, nt more than usual ...
[10:14] <LaserJock> +1
[10:15] <ogra> pips1, but given that it advances in this speed since several releases it seems to get somewhere ;)
[10:15] <ogra> just takes time
[10:15] <pips1> right
[10:15] <pips1> ogra, I did a little bit of testing, maybe we can briefly chat after meeting - just to check before I start filing bugs in the tracker
[10:16] <ajmitch> pips1: what network auth stuff are you referring to?
[10:16] <LaserJock> I've got one, we can share
[10:20] <ogra> yay we're united again ...
[10:20] <pips1> what's up with freenode?
[10:20] <ajmitch> gar
[10:20] <sbalneav> netsplit
[10:20] <ogra> so for tech i'm done ... everybody please test the isos
[10:20] <pips1> hehe
[10:20] <ogra> oh, on a sidenote, RichEd wont be able to make it today
[10:21] <ajmitch> pips1: so if you said anything to me in reply, I didn't see it :)
[10:21] <LaserJock> do we have a Rodrigo replacement yet?
[10:21] <ogra> no
[10:22] <ogra> we have two applications so far
[10:22] <pips1> :-/
[10:22] <pips1> ah
[10:22] <ogra> simply because we had no time for interviews yet
[10:22] <ogra> rich just came back on monday
[10:22] <LaserJock> busy busy people
[10:23] <LaserJock> sometimes I think you guys do more travelling that work :/
[10:23] <ogra> we want to have a plan ready this wek
[10:23] <LaserJock> s/that/than/
[10:23] <LaserJock> ogra: plan for what?
[10:23] <ogra> well i didnt do much travelling since italy
[10:23] <Burgwork> rodrigo replacement?
[10:23] <ajmitch> pips1: what?
[10:23] <ogra> how we'll go on with the intervewing
[10:24] <ogra> LaserJock, ^^
[10:24] <LaserJock> ah
[10:24] <ajmitch> pips1: ah, I'm used to that
[10:24] <ogra> Burgwork, rodrigo resigned in feb.
[10:25] <ogra> gone since march 1st
[10:25] <pips1> :-(
[10:25] <pips1> I hope he's alright. but it a bit of a blow
[10:25] <ajmitch> & ogra hasn't slept a full night since
[10:25] <Burgwork> ah
[10:25] <ogra> ajmitch, luckily thats not true
[10:25] <Burgwork> what did rodrigo do?
[10:25] <pips1> X
[10:26] <pips1> ?
[10:26] <ogra> Burgwork, for edubuntu ?
[10:26] <ajmitch> ogra: oh good, I thought you've been too busy with work, being shorthanded
[10:26] <Burgwork> ya
[10:26] <ogra> nothing ... he was mostly working on X
[10:26] <Burgwork> oh, right
[10:26] <pips1> packaging Moodle
[10:26] <pips1> ?
[10:26] <ajmitch> which is probably why having him leave didn't change much for your workload
[10:26] <ogra> pips1, if so, then without delivering it
[10:26] <pips1> arggg
[10:27] <ogra> i'm working on an 1.7 package atm
[10:27] <LaserJock> for Feisty?
[10:27] <pips1> nice
[10:27] <ogra> for feisty+1 ...
[10:27] <LaserJock> ok
[10:27] <ogra> i doubt i'll have solved the "mysql passwords are ugly in postinst" for feisty
[10:27] <ajmitch> using custom postinst scripts?
[10:27] <ogra> else i'D hurry up to get it into feisty
[10:27] <Burgwork> ajmitch: and I were looking at creating a spec to decide on a web-interface for ldap
[10:28] <ogra> Burgwork, for what ? you will need a webserver for such stuff
[10:28] <Burgwork> for admining the ldap server
[10:28] <ogra> and i wont ship one in edubuntu if i dont need to
[10:28] <sbalneav> ogra: The last time I did a full install, NetworkMangler was hozing the static interface that ltsp-build-client set up.  Has this been fixed yet?
[10:29] <pips1> ogra, what web services are currently running out of the box on edubuntu?
[10:29] <ogra> sbalneav, nope, but Mithrandir promised me a fix
[10:29] <ogra> sbalneav, esle i'll just rip out NM
[10:29] <sbalneav> Well, he saved Middle Earth.  Lets hope he saves us :)
[10:29] <ogra> pips1, none in feisty
[10:29] <pips1> ogra, what about Schooltool?
[10:30] <ajmitch> horribly broken with zope 3
[10:30] <ogra> pips1, broken in feisty, no fixes in sight ... thus dropped
[10:30] <ajmitch> (iirc)
[10:30] <pips1> oh wow
[10:30] <ogra> we'll pull it ibn again once it works with zope3
[10:30] <ajmitch> zope 3 is not an entirely stable API
[10:30] <ogra> they plan a zope3 based release for end of the yeatr
[10:30] <ogra> likely in time for feisty+1
[10:31] <ajmitch> neither is zope2, but changes have slowed down a lot there
[10:31] <ogra> until then it needs to stay in universe
[10:31] <pips1> ic
[10:32] <LaserJock> where are we in the agenda? Tech?
[10:32] <ogra> tech doc ... which we wanted to merge in the general doc section ... so Art Work then
[10:32] <pips1> no, we are at 'lost in space' ;-)
[10:32] <ogra> anything about artwork ...
[10:33] <ogra> critics about what we ship ?
[10:33] <ogra> suggestions, submissions ?
[10:33] <LaserJock> seems fine to me
[10:33] <sbalneav> I, for one, welcome our new artwork (masters)
[10:33] <LaserJock> but I like just about everything
[10:33] <sbalneav> Think it looks good.
[10:34] <ogra> i wanted it to not move away to much from the edgy artwork ...
[10:34] <ogra> but to be a bit calmer
[10:34] <ogra> s people actually keep it :P
[10:34] <LaserJock> yeah, makes sense
[10:34] <ogra> *so
[10:34] <pips1> thumbs up
[10:34] <LaserJock> I actually used the Edgy default wallpaper for a while
[10:34] <ogra> edgy was pretty bright and saturated ...
[10:34] <ogra> i used it until beta :)
[10:35] <ogra> i always use our artwork for the whole release
[10:35] <LaserJock> as if the lasers weren't enough to burn out my eyes ;-)
[10:35] <ogra> heh
[10:35] <ogra> any other artwork matters ?
[10:35] <ogra> cbx33 seems not to be around ...
[10:35] <ogra> ok
[10:35] <pips1> I like the "young" wallpaper, but the blue is a bit of a color scheme shock
[10:36] <ogra> yeah
[10:36] <ogra> well, lisa made lots and lots of blue ones
[10:36] <ogra> actually the one we use now was lue initially as well
[10:36] <ogra> *blue
[10:37] <sbalneav> I really like the garnome icon theme.
[10:37] <ogra> not sure if she wants to change the blue of the young one ... according to cbx33 she's a bit unhappy we dont ship all of her pics she made
[10:38] <ogra> yeah, but garnome starts to get old ... we should see that we contact upstream to get updates for new icons we need
[10:38] <ogra> but actually we talk about gartoon *g*
[10:38] <Burgwork> apparently jimmac is working on a gartoon referesh
[10:38] <ogra> jimmac ?
[10:39] <ogra> what has he to do with gartoon ? thats nice news
[10:39] <pips1> \o/
[10:39] <ogra> Burgwork, are yu sure he isnt doing gorilla instead ?
[10:40] <ogra> anyway, Community & Documentation & Web
[10:40] <ogra> ... and Technical Documentation
[10:40] <pips1> erm, hold on
[10:40] <pips1> just a quick question for artwork
[10:40] <ogra> pips1, other artworjk stuff ?
[10:40] <ogra> shoot
[10:41] <pips1> why didn't we ship all of the wallpapers of Aliasvegas?
[10:41] <ogra> because that bloats the artwork package and i didnt now early eough she expects them all to be in else i'd have made an -extras package
[10:42] <ogra> *know
[10:42] <pips1> hmm.
[10:42] <ogra> cbx33 told me about it on beta freeze day
[10:42] <pips1> I thought there would be at least three: young, default and academic, or smth?
[10:42] <ogra> default young and plain
[10:43] <ogra> plain has no wallpaper, only a color
[10:44] <ogra> i'm fine if someone wants to pacjk up an -extra package for universe but i currently dnt have time for that
[10:44] <ogra> i'll be a happy upload bitch though
[10:45] <ogra> more art ?
[10:46] <ogra> ok
[10:46] <LaserJock> Pete and I can upload to Universe as well
[10:46] <ogra> Community & Documentation & Web
[10:46] <ogra> ... and Technical Documentation
[10:46] <ogra> LaserJock, has pete finally got his key signed ?
[10:46] <LaserJock> well, I(ogra) uploaded edubuntu-docs 0.6-1
[10:47] <LaserJock> ogra: oh yeah, I'm not sure if he has or not
[10:47] <LaserJock> I'll whip him into it
[10:47] <ogra> well, then he still cant ...
[10:47] <ogra> yeah edubuntu-docs is uploaded and on the CD ...
[10:47] <ogra> and recived a pre-final overhaul right before the meeting
[10:47] <pips1> will it be indexed in yelp ?
[10:48] <LaserJock> it seems I've kinda taken over edubuntu-docs for now
[10:48] <ogra> depends on mdke i heard
[10:48] <pips1> LaserJock: how so?
[10:48] <LaserJock> pips1: yes, it was supposed to be but when I tried it yesterday it wasn't
[10:48] <pips1> what's up with will?
[10:48] <ogra> pips1, well, he packaged it and somehow takes care for it :)
[10:48] <LaserJock> well, nixternal was doing most of it but he's really the only person doing the Kubuntu docs
[10:49] <LaserJock> so he's been very busy with that
[10:49] <pips1> ic
[10:49] <LaserJock> and doesn't need to be taking care of 2 distros worth of docs
[10:49] <ogra> will was in hospital, seems he brought anything from his last trip
[10:49] <ogra> but he should be fine soon, i heard he's home again
[10:49] <LaserJock> and I'm a MOTU so I could upload to Universe
[10:49] <LaserJock> so ...
[10:50] <LaserJock> I was able to get .pots and an About Edubuntu menu item in the System menu
[10:50] <LaserJock> so carlos was going to put through the .pots sometime today so people can start translating
[10:50] <ogra> pips1, i think he'll be back next meeting
[10:50] <LaserJock> good to hear
[10:51] <LaserJock> sorry :(
[10:51] <ogra> LaserJock, i meant from the canonical side of things :)
[10:51] <ogra> but thats how business is ...
[10:51] <ogra> any other doc stuff ?
[10:51] <LaserJock> we really need to have the docs proofread
[10:52] <ogra> pips1, any website things you want to talk about ?
[10:52] <LaserJock> for now you can get to them by searching for "edubuntu" or "ltsp" in the yelp search bar
[10:52] <ogra> i'll poke him tomorrow
[10:53] <ogra> he just returned from a long trip where he had no network
[10:53] <pips1> RichEd and me have discussed a lot, but I want to get going now...
[10:53] <ogra> and i dont want to see his backlog after a week of not getting mail
[10:53] <sbalneav> Is the yelp thing going to be fixed?
[10:54] <LaserJock> well, if I can ever get ahold of mdke
[10:54] <ogra> sbalneav, ask mdke, seems he made the fix that doesnt show up
[10:54] <LaserJock> I sent him an email yesterday
[10:54] <LaserJock> but he hasn't responded
[10:54] <sbalneav> hm, ok
[10:54] <LaserJock> and I can't find him on IRC lately
[10:54] <LaserJock> I think he did do the fix
[10:54] <LaserJock> but I see in the changelog that a lot has been done to that patch
[10:54] <LaserJock> so I wonder if the change got lost
[10:55] <ogra> mdke should know
[10:55] <LaserJock> if I don't hear something soon I'll see if I can fix it myself!
[10:55] <ogra> we still have some days
[10:55] <LaserJock> but it's basically adding a couple lines in the yelp code
[10:55] <ogra> about a bt less than a week i guess ...
[10:55] <ogra> likely we'll freeze on tuesday
[10:55] <pips1> question for the planned community site: LaserJock, would you be glad to help out with forum moderation?
[10:56] <pips1> and ogra, would you be willing to contribute dev news / blogging on the site?
[10:57] <ogra> phew
[10:57] <pips1> hehe
[10:57] <ogra> i cant promise anything ... look at my bloging frequency
[10:57] <LaserJock> pips1: I think I can, plus I blog a little more often that ogra ;-)
[10:57] <ogra> and i would have to write a lot, i travel a lot ...
[10:57] <Burgwork> pips1: community site? a seperate forum from ubuntuforums.org?
[10:57] <pips1> oki, I'll ask you again when I've got something nice to look at ;-)
[10:57] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yes
[10:57] <pips1> Burgwork: yes
[10:57] <ogra> Burgwork, yup
[10:58] <Burgwork> ugh
[10:58] <LaserJock> Burgwork: part of RichEd's master paln
[10:58] <LaserJock> *plan
[10:58] <Burgwork> even more ugh
[10:58] <pips1> LOL
[10:58] <Burgwork> "lets divide it up even more!"
[10:58] <Burgwork> anyway, I will chat with Riched later
[10:58] <pips1> Burgwork: where does the "more" start?
[10:59] <Burgwork> ubuntu-education vs Edubuntu?
[10:59] <ogra> no
[10:59] <ogra> they get merged there
[10:59] <Burgwork> ahh
[10:59] <ogra> its rather education vs ubuntu
[10:59] <LaserJock> where will the forums be?
[10:59] <ogra> likely on the drupal server i guess
[10:59] <Burgwork> somerville32: back from the dead!
[11:00] <pips1> yep
[11:00] <ogra> heh
[11:00] <Burgwork> I can see another website, but another forum is crazy
[11:00] <LaserJock> somerville32: the idea is that it's not really so much for computer/techy stuff, but education
[11:00] <pips1> ^^^ yep
[11:00] <ogra> its a completely different audience and set of topics
[11:00] <LaserJock> so ubuntuforums.org would get a bunch of non-technical stuff
[11:00] <somerville32> Can't the ubuntuforum facilitate that?
[11:00] <LaserJock> and the edu people would get overloaded with tech-speak
[11:00] <Burgwork> so? they are all using ubuntu
[11:01] <ogra> rchs plan is to really have teachers helping teachers about teaching methods etc
[11:01] <ogra> Burgwork, *buntu
[11:01] <somerville32> Interesting
[11:01] <cliebow> technology integration is the catchword
[11:01] <Burgwork> ogra: right, I mean Ubuntu in the project sense, not the distro sens
[11:01] <ogra> its not really ubuntu centric
[11:01] <LaserJock> basically *buntu is sponsoring an Education forum
[11:02] <ogra> but rather "what do i do with the tools i got" from a techer perspective
[11:02] <cliebow> and collaboration..ala zimbra/firstclass
[11:02] <ogra> well it will surely also be about edu software
[11:02] <ogra> right
[11:02] <LaserJock> but it could even have Windows and OS X FLOSS software, I think
[11:02] <ogra> so anybuntu will be involved
[11:02] <LaserJock> I think FLOSS in Education is the basic topic
[11:03] <ogra> righ
[11:03] <ogra> t
[11:03] <ogra> with a side track for edubuntu or ubuntu users where needed ...
[11:03] <pips1> shows that we're on the same page :)
[11:03] <ogra> or kubuntu ... or anybuntu :)
[11:03] <LaserJock> well, after arguing with RichEd and pips1 for a few hours, I think I got the argument down fairly well
[11:05] <ogra> any oter stuff for the topic ?
[11:05] <cliebow> we are  losing momentum here without something like carnegie algebra/lexialearning/Plato
[11:05] <ogra> or are we done with docs and friends ?
[11:06] <ogra> wel, part of the plan seems to also be content creation and sharing
[11:06] <ogra> which is similar to the edulinux project we're involved in
[11:07] <ogra> for which we had a status meeting this week ... in case someone is intrested ...
[11:08] <pips1> so what is the status?
[11:08] <pips1> I'm interested
[11:08] <ogra> well we all make good prgress :P
[11:09] <LaserJock> is there a website for it?
[11:09] <pips1> what are the other project members putting in?
[11:09] <ogra> the central project moodle server has to be purchased soon and i'll get the lessons from te participants
[11:09] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edulinux
[11:09] <cliebow> lexia is a bunch of like shockwave reading exercises.of increasing complexity..with a substantial recording backend
[11:10] <pips1> cliebow: interesting
[11:10] <ogra> that remonds me
[11:10] <ogra> *reminds as well :)
[11:10] <ogra> there are a ton of edubuntu SoC suggestions on the google Soc page
[11:10] <ogra> we dont seem to hae enough mentors yet
[11:11] <ogra> *have
[11:11] <cliebow> i even got funding for servers in each of the six satellite schools i tend..but couldnt get lexia per se to run in wine eor crosssover..all i could do to keep them from washing linux and putting ugh on them
[11:11] <sbalneav> For the edulinux project, do they have the server yet?
[11:11] <ogra> so in case anyone is intrested in mentoring have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2007
[11:11] <ogra> sbalneav, i buy the server
[11:11] <ogra> and no, its not existing yet
[11:12] <ogra> there are tons of restrictions what to buy where
[11:12] <sbalneav> Who's paying for the server?  You looking for donations?
[11:12] <ogra> its sponsored by the EU, so i'm only allowed to buy in certain places
[11:12] <ogra> no, EU donates everything
[11:13] <sbalneav> Oh, so they're fronting the money?  I was going to say, I'd gladly donate 200 euros to the cause.
[11:13] <ogra> but i'm for example not allowed to order at dell USA :)
[11:13] <ogra> nah, not needed here ...
[11:13] <sbalneav> OK, more money for beer at UDS :)
[11:13] <ogra> money isnt much but its not the issue ...
[11:13] <pips1> sbalneav: hehe
[11:14] <ogra> doing the buerocracy is the hard part :)
[11:14] <somerville32> @schedule atlantic
[11:14] <ubotu> Schedule for Canada/Atlantic: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 28 Mar 19:00: Xubuntu | 29 Mar 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Apr 17:00: Marketing Team | 02 Apr 12:00: Community question time | 03 Apr 08:00: Community Council
[11:15] <ogra> anyway, its in progress ... we'll meet up in sweden in summer to merge the content into the main server and to have the different participants presenting their content
[11:15] <pips1> ogra, did you hand out edubuntu cds to the edulinex project members? was there a presentation of sorts?
[11:16] <ogra> sure i did that one year and a half ago at the first meeting as well as in poland :)
[11:16] <pips1> or is it more focussed around publishing edu content with moodle?
[11:16] <ogra> in italy riched and me had a talk at a barcamp
[11:16] <ogra> so we didt do an extra one
[11:16] <ogra> *didnt
[11:17] <ogra> its about creating a distance learning system which incudes content, methods and technology
[11:17] <ogra> edubuntu/canonical will provide for the tech stuff ... i.e. a moodle standalone install CD based on edubuntu
[11:17] <ogra> packaging content so it can easily get installed
[11:17] <ogra> etc etc
[11:18] <pips1> I hope you get some dev reinforcement soon
[11:19] <ogra> well i get free hardware and my monthly loan ...
[11:19] <ogra> what more could i want :)
[11:20] <pips1> a full time dev? :-)
[11:21] <ogra> oh, you mean for the rodrigo position
[11:21] <pips1> yep
[11:22] <ogra> sure, we have awesome applicants :)
[11:22] <pips1> good to hear
[11:22] <ogra> ok
[11:22] <ogra> any other stuff we didnt cover ?
[11:22] <ogra> any questions ?
[11:22] <ogra> any any ?
[11:23] <LaserJock> SoC
[11:23] <ogra> going once ...
[11:23] <ogra> SoC
[11:23] <sbalneav> Why do the birds go on singing?
[11:23] <sbalneav> Why does the sea rush to shore?
[11:23] <LaserJock> is there going to be any coordination of SoC mentoring/projects
[11:23] <ogra> sbalneav, /join #ornitholigist
[11:23] <LaserJock> lol
[11:23] <ogra> sbalneav, /join #sailorboy
[11:23] <ogra> *g*
[11:23] <sbalneav> More like #oldsongs
[11:24] <ogra> LaserJock, Keybuk and doo do them
[11:24] <ogra> *doko
[11:24] <sbalneav> "Don't they know, it's the end of the world?  It ended when you said, goodbye"
[11:24] <sbalneav> Everybody now...
[11:24] <ogra> i havent talked to rich yet if we will handle edu spcifically
[11:24] <pips1> sbalneav: LOL
[11:25] <LaserJock> ogra: right, I just wondered with so many Edu related projects if we wanted to coordinate at all
[11:25] <pips1> LaserJock: SoC link?
[11:25] <LaserJock> I see pete's already got 1 project he wants to mentor
[11:25] <ogra> LaserJock, i'll clearify with rich this week
[11:26] <ogra> usually all coordination should be donre through the goodle interface
[11:26] <LaserJock> pips1: wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2007 I think
[11:26] <ogra> *google indeed
[11:26] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, thanks.
[11:26] <LaserJock> I just wondered if there was something in place before I go through all the apps
[11:27] <sbalneav> OK, I'm going to head home.  I'll be on tonight, testing more isos.
[11:28] <sbalneav> In yuor base, killing yuor d00dz
[11:28] <sbalneav> and other memes.
[11:28] <pips1> bye, sbalneav, happy testing!
[11:28] <sbalneav> ciao, all
[11:29] <ogra> ok, lets finish ?
[11:29] <ogra> going once (again)
[11:29] <ogra> going twice
[11:29] <ogra> adjourned
[11:29] <ogra> thanks all :)
[11:29] <pips1> cheers
[11:29] <cliebow> pip pip
[11:32] <somerville32> :)
[12:03] <janimo> hi, anyone here?
[12:06] <maxamillion> me
[12:06] <maxamillion> xubuntu meeting
[12:06] <maxamillion> sorry i am late
[12:07] <maxamillion> i am at work and its been a reallly long day
[12:07] <maxamillion> well, before i start the meeting i guess i would like to take attendence and see if there is anyone in fact here for the meeting
[12:10] <maxamillion> .... that's what i was affraid of
[12:14] <janimo> maxamillion: anything in particular you are intested in?
[12:14] <janimo> maxamillion: ah, you;re Adam :)


[16:08] <Mehdiubgh> Hello
[16:08] <Mehdiubgh> How are you? I have a problem
[16:09] <Mehdiubgh> Is anyone online?


[04:38] <pitti> Good morning
[07:55] <willcooke> morning all
[08:04] <Sweetshark> willcooke: Good Morning!
[08:04] <willcooke> Good weekend Sweetshark?
[08:05] <Sweetshark> willcooke: Apart from waking up from a lightning strike hitting less than 200m away on Sunday at 6am, yes ...
[08:05] <Sweetshark> ;)
[08:05] <willcooke> I thought we were going to get epic lightning last night, but nothing happened.  It's been really hot this weekend and we could do with a big storm to clear the air
[08:06]  * Sweetshark is happy to have surge protection on his machine.
[08:06] <willcooke> 200m?!?!  I imagine that was very loud
[08:07] <Sweetshark> willcooke: jup. its was like half a second between light and thunder. And yeah, its impressive. ;)
[08:07] <willcooke> zowwweee!
[08:08] <willcooke> I "borrowed" and old 3kva UPS from my old work.  They were throwing it away and I intercepted it.
[08:08] <willcooke> It needs new batteries of course, but now I think it would be a good idea to get it plugged in :)
[08:12] <Sweetshark> willcooke: yes. FWIW, I also have some surge protection thing on my ethernet cable, dunno if that is nonsense like "audiophile" ethernet cables for digital audio. But "dicke Bertha" (32-core, 32GB RAM machine http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/dicke-bertha-online/ ) is only 2.5 years old. I want it to stick around a bit still.
[08:14] <willcooke> Sweetshark, ha!  wow!
[08:14] <Sweetshark> willcooke: builds LibreOffice in 18 minutes from scatch. in under 3 minutes with a warm ccache ;)
[08:15] <willcooke> O_o
[08:15] <willcooke> amazing
[08:17] <Sweetshark> Hmm, seems like I didnt have enough caffeine yet or dpkg in my pbuilder is trying to punk me: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7882263/ <- "You should install libcdr-dev, btw you have libcdr-dev installed" Anything I am missing?
[08:20] <xnox> Sweetshark: too low version number installed.
[08:20] <xnox> libcdr-dev (>= 0.1) vs 0.0.16-1ubuntu1
[08:21] <Sweetshark> xnox: eh, got lost in counting the zero-dot-zeros ... thx
[08:22] <xnox> Sweetshark: i typically do dpkg-checkbuilddeps and trust its output.
[08:27] <Sweetshark> xnox: yep, its the usual pain: package is in proposed only :/
[08:28] <xnox> Sweetshark: well, I have -proposed pinned down and if savish enough i pull those packages down. But let's see why it's stuck and maybe we can push it to migrate.
[08:29] <xnox> Sweetshark: looks like Libreoffice needs to be rebuild against libcdr..... for libcdr to migrate.
[08:29] <xnox> =))))
[08:29] <xnox> (among a few other things)
[08:31] <xnox> and writerperfect
[08:32] <Sweetshark> xnox: ;)
[08:32] <Sweetshark> xnox: well, wp{s,d,g} are also in the list already ...
[08:34] <xnox> Sweetshark: yeah, looks like it's entangled with libav transition.
[08:35]  * Sweetshark secretly hates how writerperfect things its important enough to be three packages. "Oh, I would love to install libwpd but not that nasty libwpg" gotta be such a common usecase ...
[08:35] <Sweetshark> s/things/thinks/
[08:39] <Sweetshark> xnox: FWIW, building LibreOffice 4.3.0~rc4 against libcdr, libwp{d,s,g}, libmspub, libvisio from utopic-proposed now ...
[08:41]  * xnox notes that writerperfect is not spelled as "writeperfect"
[08:42] <Sweetshark> xnox: well, its just "ancient document formats" anyway ;)
[08:56] <seb128> good morning desktopers btw (at a conf but should be around still)
[08:56] <ogra_> still ? ... not sparkling ?
[08:57] <seb128> lol
[08:58] <didrocks> ogra_: boiling would be the word actually
[08:58] <willcooke_> hey seb128
[08:58] <ogra_> lol
[08:58] <seb128> hey willcooke_
[08:58] <seb128> didrocks, don't talk about boiling under we are in China where they forecast "feels like 49°C"
[08:58] <willcooke> hrm - I think I need to buy a new ADSL router
[08:58] <seb128> under->until
[08:58] <didrocks> ogra_: you should have tell us that Germany was so warm :)
[08:58] <willcooke> 49?!
[08:58] <seb128> yeah
[08:59] <seb128> 40°C with humidity
[08:59]  * willcooke packs shorts
[08:59] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, it's a step in between
[08:59] <seb128> it's training :p
[08:59] <didrocks> "warming up"
[08:59] <didrocks> litteraly :p
[08:59] <seb128> right
[09:02] <Sweetshark> 40C without humidity is just fine (as they say in Arizona: "but its a _dry_ heat!"). humidity makes that really annoying though.
[09:02] <willcooke> FJKong, How's the weather for you right now?  Are we all going to melt?  ;)
[09:02] <willcooke> Sweetshark, The problem I have with the dry heat is all the bloody static electric shocks all the time
[09:03] <FJKong> willcooke: hot hot hot
[09:03] <willcooke> uh oh
[09:03] <willcooke> :/
[09:03]  * willcooke invents USB powered air conditioning
[09:04] <FJKong> willcooke: 24 - 35 degree
[09:11] <seb128> FJKong, I guess the office has a/c, right? ;-)
[09:11] <seb128> NUDT as well?
[09:13] <willcooke> :)
[09:29] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, are you working on getting the new alsa version in utopic? (I see we are outdated compared to upstream/Debian)
[09:43] <FJKong> seb128: don't worry, there is a/c
[10:02] <willcooke> seb128, TheMuso I think there was something about a memory leak in the latest Alsa. lool- and I were discussing this recently
[10:04] <seb128> willcooke, k
[10:14] <willcooke> didrocks, that brightness bug - they want me to update the bios.  :(((((
[10:14] <willcooke> I expect that won't go well
[10:14] <didrocks> willcooke: urgh, did you try to talk to them directly on #ubuntu-kernel?
[10:15] <didrocks> willcooke: it used to work, so if the kernel broke it, it's on us to fix it
[10:15] <willcooke> not yet - good advice though, thanks
[10:15] <didrocks> not having the users updating the bios
[10:15] <didrocks> (even if the kernel was doing it "in a bad way" before)
[10:15] <didrocks> willcooke: I would suggest pinging apw there
[10:16] <willcooke> I've got a load of slide decks to work on first, so I think I will care about this in two weeks :)
[10:17] <didrocks> ah, manager work ;)
[10:17] <willcooke> \o/
[10:18] <didrocks> good luck with that!
[10:18]  * didrocks goes back to fight docker + dbus :p
[10:28] <seb128> bah, keep getting disconnected
[10:28] <willcooke> the joys of wifi
[10:28] <seb128> yeah, in a room packed of geeks with their laptops
[10:34] <RAOF> Need to ship out a Canonical team to run the wireless? :)
[10:35] <seb128> yeah!
[11:22] <willcooke> excercise time, bbiab
[14:43] <seb128> Trevinho, hey
[14:43] <seb128> Trevinho, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1349128 a known/being worked on issue?
[14:44] <Trevinho> seb128: hey
[14:44] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, let me check the details
[15:51] <seb128> happyaron, https://code.launchpad.net/~mniess/ubuntu/trusty/ibus/fix-lp1240198/+merge/223651 ... you wrote "Ok, yes", do you plan to upload as well?
[16:10] <cking> does anyone know if dbus-daemon should be *not* running when booting into recovery mode?
[22:10] <TheMuso> seb128: Yes I am.


[14:20] <kenjy> just wanna share that I got my permanent residence of Canada and now Im able to move to your country
[15:49] <dscassel> Congrats, kenjy! :D
[15:49] <dscassel> mimcpher: Are you at the CSC?  I can drop off CDs...
[15:49] <kenjy> tnks dscassel =)
[16:05] <willwh> kenjy: sweet :)
[16:05] <willwh> I am also a permanent resident :)
[16:09] <kenjy> willwh: thats cool :D, wich part of Canada
[16:09] <kenjy> which*
[16:10] <willwh> Victoria, BC
[16:10] <willwh> (Vancouver island)
[16:11] <kenjy> willwh: awesome, I will move to Vancouver :D
[16:11] <willwh> \o/
[18:05] <mimcpher> dscassel: I am not, but others are
[18:06] <mimcpher> dscassel: I will be at TON at kwatzlab tonight too (after transit of venus)


[00:01] <_donvito> root@dreambox:/var_init/script> chmod -R 777 inadyn_script.sh
[00:01] <_donvito> chmod: inadyn_script.sh: Read-only file system
[00:01] <_donvito> how is it posible_
[00:02] <_donvito> how can i change rights
[03:37] <Sprocks> Can someone help me with "...error attempting to write lower page..."?
[03:41] <nxvl> /n
[03:41] <nxvl> ugh
[06:54] <justin222> I have a Ubuntu 12.04 server, configured in /etc/network/interfaces to use a static IP, that seems to at random decide to get a DHCP ip, and as such finds itself offline.
[06:55] <justin222> anyone seen something like it or have any ideas? I see dhclient is installed, but when trying to remove it, was also told I had to remove a ton of other stuff
[07:35] <jamespage> ttx, thanks
[07:35] <jamespage> ttx, glance now using milestone-proposed for CI builds; heat not in the lab or the archive for raring
[07:35] <jamespage> probably need to fix that before we release
[08:27] <ttx> jamespage: heat is still inincubation, so you don't really need to "fix" that before O
[08:28] <ttx> err. S
[08:58] <rbasak> kirkland: have you seen http://askubuntu.com/questions/244103/byobu-open-different-tabs-in-different-windows-of-the-same-session ?
[08:59] <jamespage> ttx, yeah - the PTL did request that it be enabled in CI and we agreed to defer until it landed in debian experimental
[08:59] <jamespage> but that never actually happened
[08:59] <rbasak> Evidently it's a popular question
[08:59] <jamespage> ....
[09:04] <ttx> jamespage: horizon milestone-proposed just cut
[09:04] <jamespage> ttx:ack
[09:39] <jamespage> rbasak, looking at your mongodb arm stuff now
[09:39] <rbasak> Thanks
[09:40] <rbasak> I do want to get more review, but I'm confident that this is an improvement over what's in the archive at the moment
[09:43] <mardraum> hallyn: I opened #1157626 re my raring virsh migrate issues after removing openvswitch from the equation
[09:49] <jamespage> rbasak, jon's original patch had some fixes in src/mongo/bson/util/atomic_int.h as well - any reason those where dropped?
[09:50] <rbasak> jamespage: I'm not sure what jon's original patch was against. But in our version, atomic_int.h contains everything we need for arm using gcc builtins if they are defined, which they are for us. So the arm specific bits aren't needed.
[09:50] <jamespage> rbasak, hmm - #elif defined(__GNUC__)  && (defined(__i386__) || defined(__x86_64__))
[09:51] <jamespage> #else
[09:51] <jamespage> #error unspported arch
[09:51] <jamespage> that said - I'm not sure that code is actually used anywhere...
[09:51] <jamespage> it uses mfence and xadd
[09:51] <ttx> jamespage: only Nova, Keystone left (+ Ceilometer)
[09:51] <jamespage> ttx, **\o/**
[09:52] <rbasak> jamespage: I'm generally not happy with the conditionals in atomic_intrinsics.h - there are paths that will lead to really broken behaviour and corruption if neither __i386__ nor __arm__ are defined for example - it's not robust
[09:52] <rbasak> But I haven't reworked the whole thing so I left it mostly as-is for now
[09:52] <jamespage> rbasak, tbh its a hack to add arm support right now
[09:52] <rbasak> Yes
[09:53] <rbasak> So for now I just did the minimal changes that will fix the issue so that I'm confident that I'm not introducing any new problems
[09:53] <jamespage> rbasak, +1 for that approach
[09:53] <jamespage> rbasak, I think atomic_intrinsics.h could be reworked to use gcc builtins pretty much everywhere
[09:54] <rbasak> jamespage: indeed
[09:54] <rbasak> jamespage: the risk there is that I break Intel, of course :)
[09:54] <rbasak> And so I really didn't want to go there right now - certainly not without upstream approval
[09:55] <jamespage> rbasak, actually I see what you mean in atomic_int.h
[09:55] <koolhead17> jamespage: is it good idea to wait 4 few more days if i need to test grizzly with cloud archive?
[09:55] <jamespage> it looks fine as arm will have __GCC_HAVE_SYNC_COMPARE_AND_SWAP_4
[09:55] <rbasak> Yes, exactly
[09:55] <jamespage> koolhead17, actually if you want to test right now the grizzly-trunk-testing PPA is pretty stable
[09:56] <jamespage> I've been using it for the last week and fixing up and issue I found
[09:56] <rbasak> So effectively atomic_int.h has arm support upstream already
[09:56] <rbasak> It's just atomic_intrinsics.h that needed fixing up
[09:56] <jamespage> its tracking the milestone-proposed branches so its pretty much grizzly rc
[09:56] <rbasak> So for that I fixed up jon's patch minimally
[09:56] <jamespage> rbasak, +1
[09:56] <koolhead17> jamespage: thinking of updating doc for grizzly :)
[09:56] <jamespage> koolhead17, sounds like a plan!
[09:57] <rbasak> Anywhere I did need to touch though, rather than writing new arm-specific low level stuff (kuser or arm assembly) I used gcc builtins. I'm more confident using them
[09:58] <rbasak> The bits I needed to touch were where the return value semantics of jon's patch didn't exactly match the intel assembly
[09:58] <jamespage> rbasak, excitingly mongodb 2.4.0 just got released
[09:58] <rbasak> jamespage: yeah. Bit annoyed about that :)
[09:58] <rbasak> jamespage: I take it we're going to be stuck on 2.2 for raring due to FF/
[09:58] <jamespage> just considering whether we go for a FFe
[09:58] <rbasak> ?
[09:58] <jamespage> well
[09:58] <rbasak> I think it might be worth an FFe
[09:58] <jamespage> I actually might push for it
[09:58] <rbasak> Most mongo users will want 2.4 I think
[09:59] <rbasak> I think they might consider 2.2 too old to be worth using
[09:59] <jamespage> the default JS engine is now v8 rather than the obsolete embedded spidermonkey engine
[09:59] <rbasak> And we're only a few days late
[09:59] <jamespage> rbasak, ack
[09:59] <koolhead17> jamespage: so let me work on it with this repo and once grizzly releases i will change the repo and try it on stable main cloud archive
[10:00] <jamespage> adam_g, zul: something is wonky with the glance package build in the lab
[10:00] <jamespage> it takes neally 2 hours
[10:00] <jamespage> something dies at the end of the build and it hits a timeout in sbuild
[10:01] <jamespage> ttx, hows grizzly looking generally?
[10:01] <ttx> jamespage: everything looks under control. not so many showstoppers
[10:02] <ttx> I have a harder time following all the projects to get a more precise idea, so i have to rely on the PTLs reports
[10:02] <ttx> buit they look on top of incoming bugs and on the right track to fix all RC ones
[10:20] <jamespage> rbasak, OK - I uploaded your arm fixes + a couple of minor tweaks of my own
[10:20] <jamespage> looking at 2.4 now
[10:33] <jamespage> Daviey, hmm
[10:33] <jamespage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5630788/
[10:33] <rbasak> Thanks jamespage!
[10:33] <jamespage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5630789/
[10:34] <jamespage> the code that references openssl in the mongodb codebase is actually apache-2.0 licensed
[10:34] <jamespage> but that code is used by AGPL licensed code
[10:40] <jamespage> ttx, great - I've been recycling my trunk testing environment 3-4 times a day and I've only found a few minor niggles
[10:40] <jamespage> (that cover all of openstack aside from ceilometer - working on getting that incorporated as well)
[10:41]  * jamespage melts his laptop building mongodb 2.4
[11:48] <jamespage> zul, yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/horizon/grizzly-rc1/+merge/154340
[11:52] <zul> jamespage:  how do you re-compress the static js?
[11:52] <jamespage> zul, see the README in debian/
[11:53] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[11:53] <jamespage> zul, its a dumb MP as its so large
[11:53] <jamespage> due to the asset regeneration
[11:53] <zul> jamespage:  yeah anywyas +1
[11:54] <yolanda> oh, i was just approving it also :)
[11:55] <jamespage> zul, are you OK to pickup glance and swift rc's?
[11:56] <zul> jamespage:  always
[11:56] <jamespage> zul, ta
[11:56] <jamespage> zul, I'd already done the work for horizon last week so thought I would help out with that one
[11:56] <zul> jamespage:  no worries thanks
[12:35] <scalability-junk> hey I'm trying to copy/move some data and with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dump.dd I get 350M/s write, but with cp, mv or dd from /input.dd to /output.dd I always get 99% io and only 5-10 M/s read and write
[12:36] <scalability-junk> any idea how to optimize it?
[12:36] <sw> hi what's the best way to keep SSH sessions to an Ubuntu server alive?
[12:36] <sw> TCPKeepAlive yes is set on the server
[12:40] <patdk-wk> sw, heh?
[12:41] <patdk-wk> by default, sessions are always alive
[12:41] <patdk-wk> sounds more like a nat issue
[12:41] <sw> patdk-wk: SSH connections just stop responding if left idle for a couple of minutes
[12:41] <patdk-wk> are you behind nat?
[12:41] <sw> patdk-wk: no
[12:41] <patdk-wk> then a tcp connection, even without any keepalives, will last forever
[12:42] <patdk-wk> keepalives are only useful for two things, detecting dead connections, or keeping nat from timing out
[12:42] <sw> that'd odd, have a handful of SSH connections that we leave open, no issues with any of our Debian or Fedora boxes
[12:42] <patdk-wk> and since, ClientAliveInterval defaults to 0, tcpkeepalive=yes won't do anything
[12:42] <sw> we have 6 Ubuntu servers, it happens on them all
[12:42] <sw> at the same location as the others, same connection etc.
[12:43] <patdk-wk> sw, you have a firewall on the ubuntu server?
[12:43] <sw> patdk-wk: no
[12:43] <patdk-wk> this doesn't happen on any of my ubuntu servers
[12:43] <mardraum> sw: on the client in ~/.ssh/config insert "ServerAliveInterval 60"
[12:43] <patdk-wk> in fact, I can hibernate my laptop, disconnect it
[12:43] <patdk-wk> and then turn it on the next day, and all my ssh sessions resume without issue, no drops
[12:44] <patdk-wk> keepalive would have killed those
[12:44] <rbasak> sw: the best thing to do is to run tcpdump to capture all relevant network traffic and then have someone who understands TCP to interpret it. That will pin down the cause.
[12:44] <sw> mardraum: I'll give that a shot, thanks
[12:44] <patdk-wk> normally you will need a tcpdump from both sides
[12:45] <mardraum> sw: I usually need it behind certain cisco stateful "firewalls" (eg CBAC)
[12:45] <rbasak> patdk-wk: sure, but a tcpdump on the server side will be able to either eliminate the server or implicate it.
[12:49] <zul> jamespage/yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/glance/rc1/+merge/154355
[12:51] <yolanda> easy one
[12:51] <jamespage> zul, +1
[12:51] <zul> jamespage: thanks
[13:00] <zul> jamespage/yolanda: im just doing a local build before uploading it to  raring
[13:00] <jamespage> zul, ack
[13:11] <smb> zul, Daviey, Any news on the review/sponsoring frontier?
[13:11] <zul> smb: xen?
[13:11] <smb> zul, yup
[13:11] <zul> smb:  will do so tonight just almost caught up
[13:12] <zul> s/tonight/this morningg
[13:12] <smb> zul, Ok, just asking since Daviey has been asking for a debdiff yesterday. Not sure *exactly* why
[13:25] <Vee_> what state are maas nodes supposed to be in, when available but offline ?
[13:27] <jamespage> yolanda, I'm testing a potential upgrade to mongodb 2.4.0 for raring - if I stick it in a ppa can you check it out with ceilometer for me?
[13:28] <zul> jamespage/yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/swift/rc1/+merge/154366
[13:30] <yolanda> jamespage, sure
[13:31] <jamespage> yolanda, thanks
[13:33] <jamespage> yolanda, ppa:james-page/mongodb2.2
[13:34] <jamespage> just uploading - may take a few to build
[13:34] <yolanda> ok, let me try it
[13:34] <jamespage> yolanda, that will be on raring btw
[13:34] <yolanda> my openstack is running precise :(
[13:34] <yolanda> can it be possible to test that on precise?
[13:45] <zul> smb: looking now
[13:46] <smb> zul, ack
[14:17] <Vee_> i am stuck, can someone please help me ? I need to get past juju bootstrap: 229 INFO Bootstrapping environment 'maas' (origin: distro type: maas) 2013-03-20 ,880 ERROR No matching node is available.
[14:18] <Vee_> i have 7 nodes in state: commissoning, but juju refuses to bootstrap properly
[14:26] <jcastro> Daviey: omg, that SRU of maas into precise has been sitting there since January?
[14:28] <zul> jcastro:  welcome to the dark side
[14:28] <olivier_bK> hi
[16:03] <ttx> jamespage: nova MP cut
[16:04] <tgm4883> There once was a man named Daviey
[16:04] <tgm4883> who needed to do me a favey
[16:04] <tgm4883> he should fix the DNS
[16:04] <tgm4883> because it's a mess
[16:05] <tgm4883> and then our website would be savey
[16:05] <histo> who's dns?
[16:05] <histo> ahh yours
[16:05] <tgm4883> yea
[16:05] <histo> tgm4883: what's the url?
[16:05] <tgm4883> histo, basically, http://mythbuntu.org doesn't redirect to http://www.mythbuntu.org
[16:05] <tgm4883> it's a google site, so it's a DNS fix
[16:06] <histo> tgm4883: ahh need a @
[16:06] <tgm4883> yea
[16:12] <tgm4883> If that doesn't work, I also have a haiku
[16:15] <jamespage> ttx, ack
[16:25] <sw> 3
[17:10] <kirkland> rbasak: hadn't seen it, just answered
[17:10] <rbasak> kirkland: thanks!
[17:11] <kirkland> rbasak: np
[17:11] <kirkland> rbasak: thanks for the heads up
[17:14] <rbasak> kirkland: you can subscribe to tags apparently. Maybe helpful for you?
[17:39] <DavidScherer> After the installer asks if I want to activate the "ATA RAID Controller" it takes me to the partition manager. There I only have 3 options, one for iSCSI, one to undo changes, and one to write the changes to disk, as well as a blank line which can be selected but does nothing.
[17:40] <DavidScherer> I've tried the "Undo Changes" option but I go to a purple screen and nothing seems to be happening.
[17:42] <xnox> DavidScherer: a fakeraid controller probably got activated, have you setup raid in your bios ?
[17:43] <xnox> DavidScherer: if not, you probably want to reboot again and choose to not activate ata raid controller, and just use the disks directly (or like setup linux software raid - mdadm)
[17:53] <DavidScherer> xnox: I used the Lenovo Thinkserver easy setup to setup the RAID
[17:55] <xnox> DavidScherer: no idea what that is. I generally find mdadm software raid most reliable, alternatively with hardware raid the drives should appear correctly. If this Lenovo thing is "fakeraid" e.g. chipsets on the motherboard, I'd advice against using it.
[17:59] <DavidScherer> xnox: I'm pretty sure this is hardware raid.
[18:00] <xnox> ok. Sorry, I don't have any knowledge of Thinkservers, maybe somebody else on here does.
[18:00] <xnox> Otherwise http://askubuntu.com is a good place to ask a question about Thinkservers support status / experience of other people.
[18:01] <zul> adam_g/jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/rc1/+merge/154453
[18:31] <histo> Is there any difference on the server cd vs the regular cd other than a text based installer?
[18:33] <lwizardl> no gui installed also
[18:35] <lwizardl> server is more designed to be used without a monitor attached and any changes that need to be done are done with putty
[18:42] <zul> adam_g:  ping https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/rc1/+merge/154453
[18:51] <Newbee> hai i am installing apache 2.4.4 on linux and got the following error any help?? "checking for APR... configure: WARNING: APR version 1.4.0 or later is required, found 1.3.8"
[18:52] <Newbee> any help??
[18:53] <Newbee> hai all i am installing apache 2.4.4 on linux and got the following error any help?? "checking for APR... configure: WARNING: APR version 1.4.0 or later is required, found 1.3.8"
[18:53] <sarnold> Newbee: 'apr' is 'apache runtime'. if you're rolling your own apache, you'll probably also need to roll your own apr too.
[18:53] <Newbee> how to upgrade apr from command line
[19:49] <kirkland> smoser: ping
[19:49] <smoser> hey
[19:54] <smoser> kirkland, ^
[20:15] <lwizardl> so what would be needed to setup a server to use smarthost if it was originally set to not be smarthost enabled ?
[20:59] <adam_g> jamespage,  zul http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/folsom/nova-2012.2.1+stable-20121212-a99a802e-0ubuntu1.4~cloud0/
[21:00] <jamespage> adam_g, +1
[21:00] <jamespage> adam_g, upload it now and I'll swish it through first thing tomorrow :-)
[21:00] <jamespage> adam_g, whats happening with 2012.2.3?
[21:00] <adam_g> jamespage, k
[21:01] <adam_g> jamespage, NFI what was uploaded ~1 month ago is now totally obsolete.
[21:03] <adam_g> jamespage, i'm happy to put together another batch of uploads, but i worry they'll just sit in queue for another month until they've been trumped by a bunch of security updates
[21:03] <jamespage> adam_g, so I see they got accepted 20/02
[21:03] <jamespage> right?
[21:04] <jamespage> into proposed that is
[21:05] <adam_g> jamespage, one sec. doing to many things at once  ((just pushed that nova update to the grizzly-staging ppa :\ )
[21:05] <jamespage> adam_g, oppps
[21:09] <adam_g> jamespage, so: originally pushed 2012.2.3 (all projects) into queue. ~2 weeks later they got accepted to proposed. around same day they were accepted, a bunch of security updates were released together, which got released as patches onto 2012.2.1
[21:09] <adam_g> jamespage, i began rebasing packages as new uploads into the queue to include the security fixes.. those are still pending
[21:11] <adam_g> jamespage, and have been for some time, since then more security updates come. those in queue (and in proposed) lack some of the security updates, i think.
[21:13] <jamespage> adam_g, looks like cinder is pretty much the only thing not superceded by security updates
[21:13]  * jamespage sighs
[21:15] <adam_g> jamespage, yeah.. :|   i'd much prefer updates to get rolled out coordinated across all projects.
[21:15] <jamespage> adam_g, +1
[21:16] <jamespage> it gets tested upstream like that after all
[21:16] <jamespage> adam_g, I think we need to agree some sort of cadence cycle with the SRU team so we don't keep getting bumped like this
[21:17] <jamespage> adam_g, lemme talk to Daviey about it tommorow and see what we might cook up
[21:17] <adam_g> jamespage, the bottleneck currently is getting things approved into -proposed, whereas last cycle it was getting things into queue. i guess we've made some progress :)
[21:18] <jamespage> adam_g, OK - leave it with me
[21:20] <jdstrand> I'm not sure the cinder in -proposed has the patch that is in -security. please verify
[21:31] <adam_g> jdstrand, correct
[21:42] <IgorNym> hello!
[21:42] <IgorNym> I've just setup a VM with ubuntu-server 12.10
[21:43] <IgorNym> Does anyone know how to install php5.3.3 instead of the current version?
[21:43] <IgorNym> I'm trying to replicate a production system
[21:44] <IgorNym> apt-cache showpkg php5 only shows 5.4.6-1ubuntu1.2 and 5.4.6-1ubuntu1
[21:44] <sarnold> IgorNym: there's a pile of other versions in the repository: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/
[21:44] <sarnold> .. though I don't see a 5.3.3
[21:44] <IgorNym> Cool! 5.3.x would be fine.
[21:45] <IgorNym> Noob question - how to install from there, once I've chosen my .deb?
[21:45] <sarnold> IgorNym: you can wget the package and dpkg -i to install -- it will leave all the dependency resolution to you, that way, which will be .. painful.
[21:46] <sarnold> well, I guess there are worse things than life without apt. but still. :)
[21:46] <sarnold> IgorNym: this page will give you a feeling of which version to pick for the version you're trying to replicate: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5
[21:47] <IgorNym> Cool I'll give that a go
[22:07] <adam_g> zul, jamespage this too http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/folsom/keystone-2012.2.1-0ubuntu1.3~cloud0/
[22:07] <zul> adam_g:  +1
[22:09] <IgorNym> success!
[22:09] <IgorNym> just needed the right php5-common package from that page.
[22:09] <IgorNym> Thank sarnold
[22:09] <IgorNym> *Thanks
[22:09] <sarnold> IgorNym: woot :)
[22:49] <kirkland> utlemming: ping
[22:50] <kirkland> utlemming: what is http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/quantal/current/tool-version-info.txt ?
[22:51] <utlemming> kirkland: it just shows the changes made in the build system. Its legacy and honestly should just die
[22:51] <kirkland> utlemming: okay, cool
[22:51] <kirkland> utlemming: next question ... so I'm downloading quantal-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img
[22:52] <kirkland> utlemming: I'm going to mount it, edit /etc/overlayroot.conf, unmount, and register my own ami
[22:52] <kirkland> utlemming: the best way to do this is ec2-bundle-image?
[22:53] <utlemming> kirkland: if you want instance store, yes, that is how I'd do it
[22:53] <kirkland> utlemming: for the root disk?
[22:53] <utlemming> kirkland: yes
[22:53] <kirkland> utlemming: okay -- and if I just want ebs?
[22:54] <kirkland> utlemming: i don't want to actually boot the system, which is why I can't use the AWS web interface
[22:54] <utlemming> kirkland: install qemu-util, mount the qcow2 image, dd it over, snapshot and register
[22:54] <kirkland> utlemming: booting it peturbs the image
[22:55] <kirkland> utlemming: "dd it over" meaning, dd it to an ebs volume?
[22:55] <utlemming> kirkland: i.e. modprobe nbd; qemu-nbd -c /dev/nbd0 <image>; dd if=/dev/nbd0 of=<disk> bs=1M
[22:55] <utlemming> kirkland: right, the ebs volume
[22:55] <kirkland> utlemming: oh, interesting
[22:56] <utlemming> kirkland: the qcow2 is a complete system with grub2
[22:56] <kirkland> utlemming: k, lemme give that a shot
[23:02] <kirkland> utlemming: okay, so is /dev/nbd0 mountable?
[23:02] <utlemming> kirkland: /dev/nbd0p1 is
[23:02] <kirkland> utlemming: aha
[23:04] <kirkland> utlemming: when I create the volume in the AWS ebs interface, what's the right "size"?
[23:04] <kirkland> utlemming: I tried 8GiB and it came out a little short, like 7-something
[23:16] <kirkland> utlemming: hmm, okay, did all of that, created snapshot, created image, tried launching... doesn't appear bootable
[23:16] <kirkland> utlemming: did I need to do anything after the dd, and before the snapshot?
[23:16] <kirkland> utlemming: I selected Kernel ID: aki-825ea7eb
[23:20] <kirkland> utlemming: ah, hang on, I think I know what's wrong
[23:20] <kirkland> utlemming: I forgot to add an ephemeral disk, which I need for the overlay to work
[23:22] <kirkland> utlemming: hmm, that's not working either
[23:22] <kirkland> utlemming: this is strange
[23:24] <kirkland> utlemming: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632736/
[23:34] <Extreme> Hello
[23:34] <Extreme> When I try install something on my VPS, I get the following errors:
[23:34] <Extreme> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[23:34] <Extreme> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[23:34] <Extreme> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[23:35] <kirkland> utlemming: yeah, I'm at a loss at this point
[23:35] <Extreme> I did: `sudo locale-gen en_US en_US.UTF-8` and `dpkg-reconfigure locales` but that didn't fix it
[23:39] <sarnold> Extreme: if you run 'locale' do you see that your locale settings are only en_US or en_US.UTF-8 ?
[23:43] <Extreme> one sec
[23:43] <Extreme> This is the output for "locale", http://pastie.org/private/j8xbyltkcoqa57l0wmwsrw
[23:44] <kirkland> utlemming: yeah, for some reason, the image created from that snapshot is just not bootable
[23:45] <sarnold> Extreme: do you have the en_IN and en_IN.utf8 locales generated? (in the output of locale -a)
[23:45] <Extreme> sarnold: I think no, http://pastie.org/private/binvqjdm7z4t0u4x0fl8sw
[23:47] <sarnold> Extreme: you'll either have to set your locale to en_US or build the en_IN locales..
[23:48] <Extreme> sarnold: how to do that? Can you point me to an article or something?
[23:54] <kerframil> Extreme: edit /etc/default/locale and/or execute "locale-gen en_IN en_IN.UTF-8", respectively
[23:56] <Extreme> kerframil: I couldn't find anything in /etc/default/locale file. (I opened with `nano /etc/default/locale)
[23:56] <kerframil> Extreme: in older releases, it's /etc/environment. more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
[23:57] <lone_mule> hello
[23:57] <Extreme> I am having 12.04
[23:58] <kerframil> Extreme: I don't know then. perhaps LANG was defined by some other means in your current environment. on my 12.04 system, it's sourced from /etc/default/locale.
[23:59] <kerframil> Extreme: in any case, LANG is what needs to be set to make a locale effective, and locale-gen can be used to generate missing locales that you may wish to use.
[23:59] <Extreme> I just want to turn off the error messages while installing stuff. Is that possible?


[03:50] <jose> wgrant: hey, is there any reason why Launchpad kills my connection after trying to branch lp:lp?
[03:50] <jose> it doesn't even finish (it's too big)
[17:45] <zonovroman> Hello all.
[17:45] <zonovroman> Somebody proposed for merging in my private branch.
[17:45] <zonovroman> How I can merge his changes?
[19:04] <cjwatson> zonovroman: If you go to the merge proposal page (with +merge in the URL, should be in the e-mail to you) then it shows a suitable "bzr merge" command that you can run in your branch and then commit and push.
[19:05] <cjwatson> zonovroman: Also http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/merging_changes.html


[07:54] <seb128> goood morning desktoper
[07:54] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:57] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:59] <duflu> seb128, not great. Tired, minor chills, minor fever. But surprisingly still awake. How are you?
[08:00] <seb128> I'm alright thanks! a bit tired, and it's getting warmer than comfortable to be working at the computer, it's going to be a long day
[08:00] <jbicha> good morning
[08:01] <duflu> Hi jbicha
[08:01] <seb128> hey jbicha, how is it going?
[08:02] <jbicha> good, weather is still lovely today here in Prizren
[08:03] <seb128> :)
[08:25] <jbicha> seb128: could you help me with bug 1981544?
[10:09] <enyc> duflu: you may havebeen given this already,   One crash caught   https://ec2.sheer.us/~enyc/noidx/radeonx-randr-crash/    ... technically this is on deriv as what is conveniently available ob the machine but all the ubuntu xorg dbg as you asked, doesn't seem to make any difference pop-os mint etc.  potentially may be able to gdb for you if given suitable instructions etc.
[10:10] <enyc> oh lol
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[17:01] <lissyx> seb128, by chance, any good news to share on the launchpad fixes? :)
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[23:42] <ompaul> troseph, never heard of that before, check out launchpad.net there may be a bug reported and a work around on that site
[23:42] <Minute> so I installed the j2re package
[23:42] <Minute> and now I'm getting a bunch of weird errors when I try to run eclipse
[23:42] <crdlb> arbeck23: well that was my guess, you could also try right clicking on the "gripper" for the window list and checking if it's in all workspaces mode
[23:42] <Minute> any ideas?
[23:42] <etronik> unikon: ai ai ai... printers stopped printing, Cups web admin has errors.... all sort of printer probs
[23:42] <number9> hmm the checkcd doesnt seem to be helping
[23:42] <etronik> will try a windows trick... a reboot
[23:42] <troseph> ompaul: Yeah, my MacBook tends to generate these "never seen before" issues. :)
[23:43] <ompaul> troseph, well there might be some help in #ubuntu-ppc
[23:43] <troseph> ompaul: its and intel
[23:43] <arbeck23> crdlb, nope... that was my first guess.  I think the problem is that compiz doesn't actually use desktops.  Everything is on one big desktop and it just zooms around.  Because of that the window list can't figure out what is what
[23:43] <twoshadetod> whts the command to list space you have left on a drive?
[23:43] <ompaul> troseph, so back to my first answer
[23:43] <troseph> ompaul: :)
[23:44] <cavediver> Hi. I have loose my icons in the toolbar of oo.org writer. Any have that error? Also the font looks kinda wrong in there.
[23:44] <crdlb> arbeck23: setting number of desktops to 1 normally makes the window list switch to viewport mode
[23:44] <JWay> enyc, great - it worked beautifully. thanks
[23:44] <U`> hi! i want to know if there is a channel for help in french language..
[23:44] <jrib> U`: #ubuntu-fr
[23:44] <Jimdb> even tho I have ubuntu I have kde installed.  some time ago someone had a howto that showed how to do something related to kde.  After I followed the howto it changed my start up splash screen to the kubuntu splash screen and progress bar.  How do I change this back to the orange ubuntu splash and progress bar?
[23:45] <U`> thanks you jrib
[23:45] <Geekomancer1> Is there a channel I can get help or advice on Amarok
[23:45] <Geekomancer1> ?
[23:45] <enyc> JWay: ok im falling sleep here ;-)
[23:45] <enyc> JWay: its possible you dont have otther filesystem flags set which are normal in ext3 on ubuntu these days...
[23:46] <number9> Anyone know if there is a boot option to disable cupsd?
[23:46] <Jimdb> even tho I have ubuntu I have kde installed.  some time ago someone had a howto that showed how to do something related to kde.  After I followed the howto it changed my start up splash screen to the kubuntu splash screen and progress bar.  How do I change this back to the orange ubuntu splash and progress bar?
[23:46] <LinAsH> number9, see services in gnome system menu
[23:46] <SolarWar> is it possible to tell what process is using the audio device?
[23:46] <MacDrunk> no work
[23:47] <BlaenkDenum> Jimdb: usplash
[23:47] <BlaenkDenum> !usplash | Jimdb
[23:47] <ubotu> Jimdb: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[23:47] <JWay> enyc, how would I make sure the right flags are set?
[23:47] <number9> LinAsH: I don't have that, I'm using the Gutsy LiveCD to install
[23:47] <OSCAR_ACOSTA> please, can anyone tell me where to configure the window titlebars? i dont want to them to be transparent when inactive
[23:47] <jrib> Geekomancer1: #amarok or here if it is ubuntu related
[23:47] <number9> LinAsh: and the liveCD itself won't load
[23:47] <Geekomancer1> Yes it's in Gutsy.
[23:48] <BlaenkDenum> OSCAR_ACOSTA: for that I think you'd need compiz-fusion/desktop effects
[23:48] <BlaenkDenum> Jimdb: did that answer your question
[23:48] <Jimdb> Perfection guys....thanks a lot.
[23:48] <Nallep>  I'm looking for help for the /etc/updatedb.conf file, is there a way to use regular expressions in PRUNEPATHS?  I want to be able to exclude the users cache folders from the searching.
[23:48] <BlaenkDenum> Jimdb: guys? you mean me?
[23:48] <OSCAR_ACOSTA> BlaenkDenum, I've installed ccsm, it's that?
[23:48] <BlaenkDenum> OSCAR_ACOSTA: you also have to have desktop effects enabled though
[23:48] <Jimdb> Yes, you were great.  Thanks.
[23:48] <LinAsH> number9, what does that have to do with cupsd?
[23:48] <BlaenkDenum> OSCAR_ACOSTA: join #ubuntu-effects
[23:48] <OSCAR_ACOSTA> BlaenkDenum, they are enabled of course
[23:48] <BlaenkDenum> Jimdb: you're welcome
[23:48] <brad016> I tried to install vmware player from add/remove programs but it said i can't install it becuase of my computer type(i386) but i have an intel CPU
[23:48] <BlaenkDenum> OSCAR_ACOSTA: go to #ubuntu-effects they can help you out with what you want
[23:48] <number9> LinAsH: The LiveCD hangs when it tries to load cupsd
[23:49] <underwatercow> why does Ubuntu think there are items in my trash when there don't appear to be any?!
[23:49] <Jimdb> that one had been bugging me for so long only i had never had the time to ask the question.
[23:49] <enyc> JWay: "sudo dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda2 | grep features"
[23:49] <Tamale> hello all!  I'd like some help setting up a network bridge for virtualbox.  Could someone please assist me?  My problem is that my current bridge only gives me an ip address from within the virtual machine, but it is not usable - I cannot ping anything including my own gateway
[23:49] <xonic1> uvcvideo is a driver or it relies on ov511 for webcam support?
[23:49] <sam55> Hello. I am trying to connect to a remote machine running Ubuntu using tightvncviewer. I can connect as one user but not as another. I was wondering if somebody can suggest how to look for the problem.
[23:49] <brad016> sam55, google
[23:50] <brad016> sam55, thats a good way to look for the problem
[23:50] <JWay> enyc, filesystem features: has_journal filetype needs_recovery sparse_super
[23:50] <sam55> brad016: I did. But haven't found anything that gives me any lead.
[23:50] <LinAsH> number9, no there is no boot option, did you check the md5 checksum of your iso image ?
[23:50] <cdm10> Help! I broke Deluge, and I don't know where it stores its config files.
[23:50] <brad016> sam55, do the other users have the same permissions as the user that can connect
[23:50] <cdm10> I've looked in ~, ~/.gnome2, and gconf...
[23:50] <HaryPotrOwnsU> hey. whatps madwifi?
[23:50] <sam55> brad016: searched google for quite a bit! Haven't found anything worthwile for this case.
[23:51] <enyc> JWay: I would "sudo tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/sda2"
[23:51] <DerangedDingo> cdm10: can't you grep for your config files?
[23:51] <ziyax> Tamale, u r using VMWare or so?
[23:51] <cdm10> DerangedDingo: I'm not sure what they look like
[23:51] <jrib> cdm10: ~/.config/ would be another possibility
[23:51] <sam55> brad016: the one that can connect is also an admin. The one that cannot is not. Also, this user was able to connect till a few weeks ago (when he tried last).
[23:51] <enyc> JWay: it helys when there are many files in 1 dir
[23:51] <cdm10> jrib: ok
[23:51] <HaryPotrOwnsU> *what's madwifi?
[23:51] <number9> LinAsH: I ran "check cd for defects" but that hangs too
[23:51] <enyc> JWay: its normally enabled on new ext3 creation these days
[23:51] <brad016> sam55, hmm
[23:52] <brad016> sam55, I'm not sure
[23:52] <sam55> brad016: I have tried to remove all temp file in /tmp for all users hoping that some lock files may be interfering. But that didn't work.
[23:52] <poningru> cdavis: is there a .config file?
[23:52] <Jimdb> ok, here's another.  anyone know how to ensure an external drive mounts 100% of the time.  I have a couple external drives that get mounted via the fstab file.  most of the time they mount without a problem.  But somtimes they don't.  When they don't mount I go into gksu gparted and select the device, select the partition and choose "mount on".  Sometimes when I use gparted the mount doesn't show as an icon on the desktop (even tho the d
[23:52] <JWay> enyc, sounds good
[23:52] <DerangedDingo> cdm10: what about just doing a GNOME search for it?
[23:52] <sam55> brad016: that's okay, but thanksf for the interest.
[23:52] <poningru> cdm10: err is there a .config file?
[23:52] <poningru> in your home dir?
[23:52] <cdm10> poningru: it's in .config
[23:52] <poningru> yes
[23:52] <LinAsH> number9, sounds like a corruption of the image file
[23:52] <poningru> ...
[23:52] <cdm10> DerangedDingo: I tried, but I don't think it seraches hidden files. Anyway, I found it.
[23:53] <riddlebox> how could I rename a bunch of files in a directory, like *.conf to *.sample?
[23:53] <number9> LinAsH: hmm wait, it's not actually hanging... it just gets slow for awhile while it looks for a floppy drive that I don't have :/
[23:54] <number9> LinAsH: *that is, hanging during the integrity check
[23:54] <brad016> sam55, try going into /home/ and in that users profile, go into it, in the file browser go to view>show hidden files, look for the programs folder ".whatever" and delete it, the program show create a new profile for that ser and fix the problem
[23:54] <Stormx2> riddlebox: mv *.conf *.sample ?
[23:54] <godzirra> uhhh,  idid something and my desktop just zoomed in to where its freaking HUGE... like each letter is an inch or so tall.  how do I fix it?
[23:55] <jrr> i seem to be having problems compiling with stdlib stuff when libpthread-dev is installed
[23:55] <jrr> godzirra: can you pan up to the menus?
[23:55] <jrr> 'screen resolution
[23:55] <godzirra> yup
[23:55] <LinAsH> number9, you can try re-download the iso image or try the alternate installation cd
[23:55] <riddlebox> Stormx2, can you use wildcards like that?
[23:55] <godzirra> no, I didnt change the screen resolution.
[23:55] <godzirra> I was in the m,iddle of typing something in irssi
[23:55] <godzirra> when it zoomed in.
[23:55] <number9> LinAsH: yeah I'm downloading the alternate now
[23:55] <godzirra> It may be something weird I did in compiz?
[23:55] <Geekomancer1> I'm trying to connect to an RSS stream that requires a user name and password. I know both are correct, and was wondering if I needed to enabel anything else?
[23:55] <underwatercow> why are .Trash files created everywhere and on every device? Are they ever emptied because they don't seem to...
[23:55] <number9> LinAsH: it passed the integrity check though
[23:56] <jrr> godzirra: try ctrl alt num-
[23:56] <Stormx2> riddlebox: Yep
[23:56] <godzirra> nope.
[23:56] <godzirra> that does nothing.
[23:56] <jrr> well poo
[23:56] <riddlebox> Stormx2, I just tried and it didnt work
[23:58] <dr_gonzo> hehe whats up :)
[23:59] <end0r57> i just got done installing 7.10 and when i use the update manager it only checks 6 sources and says my system is up to date and i'm having trouble installing packages. it just says couldn't find package. any ideas?
[23:59] <xonic1> how to know which driver isbeing used for my webcam?
[23:59] <HaryPotrOwnsU> what's madwifi?
[23:59] <Kenny3> can anyone help with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=122735   ??? i am at step 2 but i cant compile like its said , i am told "Cannot fine kernel sources in /lib/modules..." when tryin to use "make" command
[23:59] <HaryPotrOwnsU> so install the kernel sources


[01:10] <doflaherty> Elleo, is that in the store yet?
[01:11] <doflaherty> I've been working on realtai which is similar, but I'm mostly making it up as I go along so I'd be curious to see how other people do it
[04:54] <alfonsojon_> What's the difference between the devel and devel-customized channels?
[04:54] <alfonsojon_> And demo/generic
[09:50] <Elleo> doflaherty: not yet, there's a bug with it not receiving touch input correctly, so it's not much use at the moment


[14:23] <CIA-7> tasksel: cjwatson * r1484 ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[14:23] <CIA-7> tasksel: Update Ubuntu tasks from seeds, adding ubuntustudio-photography and
[14:23] <CIA-7> tasksel: ubuntustudio-publishing.
[14:26] <CIA-7> tasksel: cjwatson * r1485 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.88ubuntu12
[15:10] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh hey, speaking of tasks and seeds, I meant to follow up with you about Build-Essential before you lost internets for days.
[15:11] <infinity> cjwatson: Is the problem that the magic that generates tasks is including recommends in Build-Essential?  Cause netbase is obviously not seeded nor a dependency of anything in build-essential.
[15:23] <cjwatson> infinity: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.quantal/build-essential
[15:23] <cjwatson> Which says "perl (Recommends)", so yes
[15:23] <cjwatson> I'll fix that
[15:24] <infinity> Dunno how much that will shrink our variant=buildd chroots, but it'll certainly make them more correct. ;)
[15:28] <cjwatson> infinity: seeds fixed
[15:29] <infinity> cjwatson: Cheers.
[15:31] <infinity> cjwatson: Ahh, I wasn't aware of the Feature header.
[15:31] <infinity> cjwatson: Also, I'd say the comment at the top is a blatant lie these days.
[15:31] <cjwatson> Maybe :)
[15:31] <infinity> cjwatson: Since dpkg-checkbuilddeps won't let you build without build-essential installed. :P


[07:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: you changed Bootloader-sets-root: to yes even if the meaning is currently wrong! :-)
[07:36] <rsalveti> that's a different behavior from debian
[07:38] <rsalveti> but will at least now work after the installer finishes?
[08:00] <ogra_> rsalveti, i havent tested it on actual images yet, but beyond that it should work
[08:01] <ogra_> (as documented in the changelog)
[14:40]  * ogra_ hugs rsalveti
[14:40] <ogra_> yay
[14:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: there's only one new package that needs to land now, the libdri2
[14:41] <rsalveti> which is what I'm testing at this moment
[14:41] <rsalveti> then we'll be ready to go with pvr-omap4
[14:42] <rsalveti> kernel and xorg related packages all in already
[14:42] <ogra_> yay
[14:43]  * ogra_ wonders if omap should be in the xserver-xorg-video-all deps on arm
[14:45] <rsalveti> I belive so, at least we need to make sure we're installing it by default
[15:06] <ndec> rsalveti: libdri2-omap in the archives for 12.10?
[15:06] <rsalveti> ndec: that's what I'm doing now
[15:07] <ndec> nice1
[15:07] <rsalveti> it's needed by the sgx driver
[15:07] <ndec> nice!
[15:07] <ndec> are you taking the Xserver patches for dri2video as well? sounds more risky ;-)
[15:08] <rsalveti> ndec: not at this point yet
[15:09] <rsalveti> want to first make sure it works without any new fancy features :-)
[15:09] <ndec> how about the clutter/totem 3.4? is there any ARM SoC which has support for that?
[15:16] <rsalveti> ndec: don't think so
[15:17] <ndec> rsalveti: also i wanted to ask you about LEB. so ubuntu is no longer doing pre-installed. how does it impat linaro LEB?
[15:17] <ndec> in fact i don't recall exactly how LEB are generated.
[15:18] <rsalveti> ndec: doesn't change much, we're still doing pre-installed images
[15:19] <rsalveti> as well with hwpack + rootfs
[15:19] <rsalveti> even for quantal
[15:20] <ndec> rsalveti: ok. is there a wiki that explains your image generation?
[15:20] <ndec> we need to change our image generation for TI releases... since we were using pre-installed images ;-)
[15:20] <rsalveti> ndec: sure, 1 sec
[15:21] <hrw> ogra_: can you grab powertop 2.1 from http://people.linaro.org/~hrw/debian/ and sponsor upload? :D
[15:21] <rsalveti> ndec: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-build-service.git;a=summary
[15:21] <rsalveti> http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-build-service.git;a=tree
[15:21] <rsalveti> if you see, this is how we're maintaining our build jobs
[15:22] <rsalveti> the only thing done by jenkins is a cd to the right folder and ./configure && make
[15:22] <ndec> rsalveti: and it works outside of LP, e.g. I should be able to run this script?
[15:22] <rsalveti> that runs live-build and generate the tarball in the end
[15:22] <rsalveti> ndec: yup
[15:22] <ndec> hmm... why did I not look into that before...
[15:24] <hrw> bye
[15:24] <rsalveti> ndec: the logs from the job handling the quantal images: https://ci.linaro.org/jenkins/view/Ubuntu%20Build%20Service/job/quantal-armhf-ubuntu-desktop/65/consoleFull
[15:25] <rsalveti> if you want to create a pure ubuntu image (without the linaro sauce), it's quite easy as well
[15:25] <rsalveti> just need some minor changes, like by not installing linaro-ubuntu-desktop and installing the task ubuntu-desktop
[15:25] <ndec> thanks a bunch!
[15:29] <ogra_> hrw, hmm, the .dsc expects a tar.gz tarball
[15:30] <ogra_> i cant extract it with dpkg-source
[15:45] <ogra_> rsalveti, any chance that we see a pcr for omap3 update (not FF critical indeed) ?
[15:46] <ogra_> *pvr
[15:46] <rsalveti> ogra_: that depends on TI providing us the armhf binaries =\
[15:46] <ogra_> i thought there were published ones
[15:47] <rsalveti> not for armhf, at least not by the official channel
[15:47] <ogra_> hmm, i thought i read something about hf binary drivers
[15:47] <ogra_> but i cant findit in my history...
[15:52] <ndec> ogra_: rsalveti: i don't think i have seen a DDK/armhf for OMAP3.
[15:52] <ogra_> k
[15:52] <ndec> i think, though, that some TI people are working on adding armhf support in OE, so it is a sign that such binary might show up...
[15:53] <ogra_> well, probably someone talked about an inofficial binary or some such
[15:53] <ogra_> i know i catched it up somewhere
[15:59]  * ogra_ adds unity-2d  back to the ac100 images
[16:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: there's a new mesa at the archive today
[16:01] <rsalveti> might be nice to check if unity3d would work
[16:01] <rsalveti> or at least how it'd explode
[16:01] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, slangasek apparently tested yesterday, with rather disatrous results
[16:01] <rsalveti> hehe :-)
[16:01] <ogra_> it doesnt explode, but itsnt usable either
[16:03] <ogra_> hmm, i see a compiz upload but nothing in the changelog indicates its the one that has GLES
[16:28] <infinity> ogra_: How does adding unity-2d to ac100 work when it's been removed from the archive?  Or did I miss someone adopting it and re-uploading it?
[16:28] <ogra_> it hasnt been removed
[16:28] <ogra_> it was removed from the seeds
[16:28] <ogra_> and i dont think anyone plans to remove it from the archive actually
[16:29] <infinity> ogra_: Uhm.  It was removed from the archive last week.
[16:29] <infinity> ogra_: Because no one stepped up to fix the dconf->gsettings mess, or something.
[16:29] <ogra_> why does apt-cache madison on a current panda still show source and binary then ?
[16:30] <infinity> Because it lies?  Or has precise in its sources?  Or something?
[16:30] <infinity> The source was removed.
[16:30] <ogra_> SH*T
[16:30] <infinity> Some binaries may still linger due to them having rdeps.
[16:31] <ogra_> well, rickspencer3's suggestion was actualyl to have it back on the arm images worst case
[16:31] <infinity> Yes, well.  The desktop team screwed you there.
[16:31] <ogra_> and the results for llvmpipe are far from usable
[16:31] <ogra_> damned
[16:31] <infinity> Probably worth an internal discussion about porting the bits that need porting and reintroducing it.
[16:31] <rickspencer3> as I understand it, llvmpipe is completely out of the question for ARM
[16:32] <rickspencer3> we need to wait for the PVR driver to run unity
[16:32] <ogra_> rickspencer3, after slangasek's test results definitely
[16:32] <rsalveti> problem is that we'll be able to solve the unity issue just for panda
[16:32] <rickspencer3> I don't think anyone ever envisioned that it would work, really
[16:32] <rsalveti> which we have the river
[16:32] <rsalveti> people can dream hehe :-)
[16:32] <ogra_> rickspencer3, haha
[16:33] <rickspencer3> is there another DE that we can use at least to test until the PVR is available?
[16:33] <rickspencer3> just to bridge us until Unity is runnable?
[16:33] <rickspencer3> Gnome 2?
[16:33] <ogra_> rsalveti, right, and for ac100 i was just planningg to pull unity-2d in ... i wasnt aware they actually removed it
[16:33] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: the pvr driver will be available later today
[16:33] <ogra_> omap4 will be fine soon
[16:33] <rickspencer3> oh, so Unity 3d should work(ish) later today?
[16:33] <rickspencer3> sorry
[16:33] <ogra_> ish, right
[16:33] <rickspencer3> you guys were talking about other boards
[16:34]  * rickspencer3 backs away quietly
[16:34] <ogra_> what wont be fine are all other arm desktop images
[16:34]  * rickspencer3 backs back in
[16:34] <rickspencer3> I wonder if Lubuntu might be a better flavor for other boards?
[16:34] <ogra_> my second choice after re-introducing unity-2d is lubuntu-desktop
[16:34] <rickspencer3> it runs my eeePC 701, which is pretty impressive
[16:34] <ogra_> but that requires more work for me
[16:35] <infinity> ogra_: Given that ac100 is a community image, why not just switch it to Xubuntu? :)
[16:35] <rickspencer3> ogra_, you can't just apt-get install lubuntu-desktop?
[16:35] <ogra_> infinity, why using that much overhead ?
[16:35] <infinity> ogra_: Or lubuntu, sure.
[16:35] <ogra_> :)
[16:35] <rsalveti> lubuntu works as well
[16:35] <ogra_> yeah, and will have a tiny footrprint
[16:35] <rickspencer3> the lubuntu community targets exactly this scenario
[16:35]  * ppisati +1 for reintroducing unity2d
[16:35] <infinity> ogra_: I really see no reason to ship the full whiz-bang Unity experience for anything except our darling "tech demo" platform (OMAP4).
[16:35] <rickspencer3> it's the only reason that we bought new PowerPC builders, so that lubuntu could make a PowerPC version
[16:35] <ogra_> ppisati, its gone from the archive ... i dont see how we woudl get it back without lots fo extra work
[16:36] <infinity> ppisati: And as much as I want unity-2d back, someone needs to commit to the work, it's not self-maintaining.
[16:36] <ogra_> infinity, i agree, but someone has to maintain the differences
[16:36] <ppisati> ogra_: didn't you just said it was just eliminated from seed?
[16:36] <ppisati> *say
[16:36] <ogra_> ppisati, i was just proven wron above
[16:36] <ppisati> ah
[16:36] <ogra_> *wrong
[16:36] <infinity> ogra_: What difference?  s/ubnutu-desktop/lubuntu-desktop/ in the ac100 target in livecd-rootfs, profit?
[16:37] <ppisati> infinity: i agree, but have you ever tried the "3d experience" on a pandaboard?
[16:37] <ogra_> infinity, well, i have to get used to it for testing etc etc
[16:37] <ppisati> infinity: if we need to switch for $foobarUbuntu, i prefer U2d
[16:37] <rsalveti> it's working way better with latest compiz
[16:37] <infinity> ppisati: With the PVR driver, it's not bad.
[16:37] <rsalveti> you'd be surprised
[16:37] <ogra_> and will start to fix arm issues on lubuntu
[16:37] <ogra_> since people tend to copmpain to *me*
[16:37] <ogra_> *complain
[16:37] <infinity> Fixing ARM issues in the whole archive isn't a bad thing. :P
[16:37] <infinity> But really, it should all Just Work.
[16:37] <infinity> If it doesn't, we suck at this.
[16:37] <infinity> A lot.
[16:38] <ogra_> i think its a lot more than changing the target btw
[16:38] <infinity> Either way.  I don't want us shipping desktop images for a ton of platforms regardless.  ac100 gets a free pass because it's a pain to install it any other way.
[16:38] <ogra_> i'm not even sure there is any oem-confi support in the lubuntu ubiquity
[16:38] <infinity> Uhm, it's the same ubiquity...
[16:39]  * ppisati goes testing another kernel...
[16:39] <ogra_> they have overlay packages for everythin in lubuntu, no ?
[16:39] <infinity> Not for the installer itself.
[16:39]  * ogra_ needs to get used to this new kbd
[16:39] <ogra_> ok
[16:39] <ogra_> well, then lets just do it :)
[16:40] <infinity> I suspect just swapping xubuntu or lubuntu in will Just Work, as I said, but either way, it's probably less effort than committing to support unity-2d, unless you want to be the new u2d upstream in your spare time.
[16:40] <infinity> And if you do, awesome, lots of us love and miss u2d. :P
[16:40] <ogra_> haha
[16:40] <ogra_> i'm not that crazy, no
[16:40] <ogra_> i really would like to see some community people picking it up though
[16:42] <ogra_> infinity, erm, you didnt mean livecd-rootfs but the nusakan crontab (and default-arches), right ?
[16:47]  * rickspencer3 looks forward to dist-upgrading panda board tomorrow
[16:47] <infinity> ogra_: Oh, fair point, it's not hardcoded anywhere.
[16:48] <ogra_> good, you had me confused :)
[16:48] <infinity> ogra_: But yeah, just add armhf+ac100 to lubuntu's default-arches, and give it a try, I guess.  Or do a test-spin by hand.
[16:48] <infinity> ogra_: It seems like the sane(ish) way forward.
[16:49] <ogra_> yep
[16:49] <ogra_> what do we do with mx5 ?
[16:49] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, will HD video work tomorrow too?
[16:49]  * rickspencer3 hopes
[16:49] <ogra_> LOL
[16:49] <rsalveti> hahahaha
[16:49] <ogra_> rickspencer3, we have no codecs
[16:49] <rickspencer3> so, "not yet", right?
[16:49] <ogra_> and its unlikely they will ever enter the archive
[16:49] <rickspencer3> ogra_, well, I thought I could install them from somewhere else
[16:50] <rsalveti> you can, but for precise
[16:50] <ogra_> with luck TI will provide gstreamer packages and codecs from the PPA after release
[16:50] <infinity> ogra_: We already dropped mx5 desktop images, didn't we?
[16:50] <infinity> ogra_: If we didn't, I'll do that.
[16:50] <rsalveti> unfortunately for quantal a lot of stuff changed
[16:50] <ogra_> infinity, not sure, i thought that was only temporary
[16:50] <rsalveti> they are maintaining like hundreds of patches at the gst packages
[16:50] <ogra_> wrt livebuilder shortage around a milestone
[16:51] <infinity> ogra_: Nope, the only desktop images we should be producing are omap4 (the blessed tech demo image), and ac100 (cause it sucks installing any other way).
[16:51] <ogra_> i think we do build omap still atm
[16:51] <infinity> ogra_: But mx5 reminds me that we still need to do d-i images from universe kernels.
[16:51] <ogra_> and i woudl like to keep the opportunity open for an omap3 HF driver
[16:51] <ogra_> so i would like to go on buildin them
[16:51] <ogra_> no need for testing or milestone releases though
[16:52] <infinity> I see no issues with asking non-omap4 users to use netboot and install desktops by hand.  It's not like ubiquity on a Beagle is a pleasant experience anyway.
[16:52] <ogra_> infinity, i guess FF day is a little late for that
[16:53] <ogra_> according to colin there is some heavy lifting involved to make d-i use universe
[16:54]  * ogra_ would really like to see some images to actually test flash-kernel-installer
[16:58] <hrw> ogra_: fetch again
[16:58] <ogra_> will do
[17:02] <rsalveti> ogra_: new compiz doesn't include yet the gles branch
[17:02] <rsalveti> it's one rev before the one we wanted
[17:04] <infinity> D'oh.
[17:06] <ogra_> sigh
[17:06] <ogra_> oh that endless game
[17:08] <rsalveti> hm, someone really need to spend some time optimizing the updating of the software catalog
[17:08] <rsalveti> that always takes a huge time
[17:08] <ogra_> improve IO
[17:08] <ogra_> its unzipping huge files
[17:09] <rsalveti> yeah, imagined that
[17:13] <ogra_> bah, sigh
[17:13] <ogra_> if i hadnt messed up livecd-rootfs i could now do an ac100 tesbuild
[17:13] <ogra_> life always strikes back
[17:21] <ogra_> hrw, done
[17:27] <hrw> ogra_: cool, thanks
[17:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: bug 1040611
[17:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1040611 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libdri2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040611
[17:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: last piece before the pvr-omap4 driver
[17:53] <ogra_> rsalveti, uh, whats the license
[17:53] <rsalveti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163077/
[17:53] <rsalveti> expat
[17:54] <infinity> rsalveti: Is this a generic dri extension thing that's being pushed to fdo/xorg upstream and (eventually) used all over, or some ARM(or TI)-specific madness?
[17:54] <ogra_> oh, i misunderstood "as it's binary only, and built against the shared library "
[17:54] <ogra_> :P
[17:54] <ogra_> i thought that libdri2 had binary bits
[17:54] <ogra_> liked against the free one
[17:54] <rsalveti> infinity: no, idea is to be the reference and generic dri extension
[17:54] <rsalveti> to avoid duplicates all around
[17:54] <infinity> rsalveti: If it's not actually generic and intended to be used cross-platform, "libdri" is pretty awful namespace pollution.
[17:55] <infinity> robclark: ^
[17:55] <rsalveti> he's the father
[17:55] <infinity> robclark: Bring your sideburns over here and tell me about libdri.
[18:01]  * ogra_ runs an ac199 lubuntu-desktop testbuild
[18:01] <ogra_> *ac100
[18:01] <infinity> If the ac199 comes with an en_US non-android keyboard, I'll take two.
[18:02] <robclark> infinity, rsalveti, libdri2 is basically some code extracted out of mesa so that other things can use it
[18:02] <ogra_> infinity, you and your keyboard fixation :P
[18:02] <infinity> robclark: Sure, I grasp *what* it is, but is it being pushed upstream as a generic solution that others intend to use for this same purpose, etc?
[18:03] <infinity> robclark: Cause if it ends up being just an ARM thing, just a TI thing, the namespace pollution of "libdri" is a bit icky.
[18:03] <infinity> robclark: And, if it's partly cargo-culted from mesa, why not build it from mesa, so it can be more readily kept in sync?
[18:04] <robclark> infinity, well, I did send a while back a patch for mesa to use it..
[18:04] <infinity> robclark: (And so others can learn of its existence and use it)
[18:04] <robclark> anyways, the point was that mesa, vdpau, vaapi, etc where all just copy/pasting the same code
[18:04] <infinity> robclark: Dude, are you going German on me?
[18:04] <robclark> :-P
[18:04] <infinity> "well, I did send a while back a patch for mesa to use it"... I thought Oli typed that, until I read the nick. :P
[18:04] <infinity> Just sayin'.
[18:04] <robclark> I need to kick mesa folks again...
[18:05] <ogra_> LOL
[18:05] <ogra_> texas is full of germans
[18:05] <rsalveti> lol
[18:05] <robclark> heheh
[18:05] <infinity> robclark: Anyhow, if you've had any positive response from upstream about it at all, and if it seems likely it'll end up being "a thing" upstream, then I'm less grumpy about including it as-is as a stop-gap in Ubuntu right now.
[18:05] <ogra_> might have some bad influence on the language :)
[18:06] <robclark> well.. my reasoning is that currently dri2 is a bit of an exception to the way most x11 extensions work.. ie most you have a proto tree plus a client side lib tree
[18:06] <robclark> dri2 is the only one (that I know of) that doesn't have a client side lib tree.. hence libdri2
[18:07] <robclark> anyways, why is it a namespace issue?
[18:07] <infinity> robclark: *nod*... Like I said, I'm down with the concept, and your reasoning.  Just more curious if you've been able to sell upstream.
[18:07] <infinity> robclark: But if you're pushing upstream to DTRT here, that's cool.
[18:07] <infinity> robclark: It's a namespace issue only because I could totally see someone else introducing a libdri that's an entirely different thing, so it would be nice if yours was on the radar and won. :P
[18:07] <robclark> I do need to kick them again..  if I can make it to xdc then I'll bring it up in person there..
[18:08] <robclark> I think main issue is that most everyone on xorg/mesa/gfx side of things has too much to do and too little time to care about those sort of little cleanups :-P
[18:09] <ogra_> bah, lubuntu build failed
[18:09] <infinity> robclark: You'd think that would make them all the happier about someone else doing it.
[18:10] <ogra_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:10] <ogra_>  indicator-application-gtk2 : Depends: indicator-application (= 0.5.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[18:10] <ogra_> GRMPF
[18:11] <ogra_> i guess lubuntu wasnt a good choice if they have to port the world to gtk3 first
[18:11] <infinity> I assume that's just buildd skew.
[18:12] <ogra_> i would assume that indicator-application stopped providing its gtk2 bits
[18:12] <rsalveti> infinity: so what do we say, trust robclark and push it to the archive? :-)
[18:12] <infinity> Oh, indeed.  Very recently.
[18:12] <infinity> rsalveti: Yeah.  If robclark fails us, we can wax his face.
[18:13] <infinity> ogra_: Yell at Seb?
[18:13] <ogra_> infinity, he will just point me to the unity team
[18:13] <infinity> ogra_: Dropping GTK2 in indicators all over is a nightmare for Xubuntu and Lubuntu, and right before FF, no less. :/
[18:13] <ogra_> and they then point me to sabdfl ... and i wont yell at him i fear :P
[18:14] <infinity> You should.
[18:14] <infinity> In cases like this, he's just another contributor.
[18:14] <ogra_> no, yelling is the wrong approach for sure
[18:14] <infinity> Until he formally sabdfls something, which is a different matter.
[18:15] <xnox> there was an email about moving those bits to universe? or was it a complete drop?
[18:15] <xnox> (e.g. separate source package)
[18:16] <ogra_> well, seb just referred to that mail
[18:16] <ogra_> in -desktop
[18:17] <ogra_> so it seems xubuntu wants to take over maintenance of gtk2 parts in universe
[18:17] <scientes> ogra_, so xubuntu is not gtk3?
[18:17] <ogra_> but seemingly need to push these in from scratch
[18:17] <scientes> *xfce
[18:17] <ogra_> no idea
[18:17] <ogra_> they use a lot of gtk2 stuff, that i know
[18:18] <ogra_> lubuntu intrestingly as well
[18:18] <ogra_> i guess for NM
[18:18] <rsalveti> infinity: ogra_: and finally, the pvr driver: http://people.linaro.org/~rsalveti/pvr/, but it needs libdri2
[18:18] <ogra_> yay
[18:19] <rsalveti> http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=ubuntu/pvr-omap4.git;a=summary
[18:20] <infinity> scientes: XFCE is GTK2 for now.  There was a push for GTK3 porting, and it got derailed upstream.
[18:21] <infinity> Turns out it's a lot more work than people realised when they first got gung-ho about it. :P
[18:21] <infinity> Like, effectively a rewrite of half the world.
[18:22] <scientes> looks like lxde is being ported too
[18:22] <scientes> and i *was* subscribed to the linux gtk3 migration
[18:22] <scientes> but that patch and email flow was just too great
[20:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: hey, any news about the driver?
[20:55] <rsalveti> infinity: for you as well, in case you're willing to sponsor it :-)